| 00:00.22 | Kraps | ahahaha |
| 00:03.09 | Dagmar | Hansel and Gretel were properly eaten. :) |
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| 00:03.34 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_15962_the-gruesome-origins-5-popular-fairy-tales.html http://www.cracked.com/article_18589_7-classic-disney-movies-based-r-rated-stories.html |
| 00:04.17 | Dagmar | What's hilarious is that little kids are generally _fine_ with hearing the original versions of the stories |
| 00:04.37 | alestane | No, Dagmar, but I think they did go back to town and see their father and stepmother discredited and imprisoned. |
| 00:07.18 | Kraps | "Well, the woodsman was a later addition to the tale. In the early versions of the story, Red and her Grandmother are dead. The. Goddamn. End." |
| 00:07.22 | alestane | The first thing she mentions is American McGee's Alice, Lopeppeppy, in case you're not familiar with it. |
| 00:07.29 | Dagmar | Actually nah, it was just implied that the witch was actually their mother |
| 00:07.38 | Dagmar | ...but that's kinda weak and beyond what I think was intended |
| 00:08.09 | alestane | Ever See "Into the Woods," Kraps? |
| 00:08.26 | Kraps | no, is that the snow white one? |
| 00:08.29 | Dagmar | In the original when they go back, mom's dead... probably for tricking the kids into leaving the house to look for their own food |
| 00:09.52 | alestane | Into the Woods is a modern musical by Stephen Sondheim (see also Sweeney Todd, The Demon Barber of Fleet Street) which takes several of the classic fairy tales, throws them in a bowl and tosses until well-coated. |
| 00:10.04 | Kraps | ah |
| 00:10.10 | Dagmar | Anyone here taken the A+ practical semi-recently? |
| 00:10.12 | Kraps | i did see Sweeney Todd |
| 00:10.31 | Dagmar | Sweeney Todd was awesome |
| 00:10.36 | Dagmar | No happy ending of any sort whatsoever. |
| 00:10.36 | Kraps | ^ |
| 00:10.53 | Kraps | at least hes dead :p |
| 00:10.56 | Dagmar | If you think the kids were a happy couple at the end, you were not paying enough attention. |
| 00:11.18 | alestane | I think the happy ending in Sweeney Todd is that he doesn't manage to kill his own daughter. |
| 00:11.25 | Kraps | didnt the boy kill himself after sweeny? |
| 00:11.28 | p3lim | where is a good place to test vehicles? |
| 00:11.30 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 00:11.58 | p3lim | I cannot do Coldarra nor Wyrmrest Temple, aint done prequests on Beta |
| 00:12.04 | Jerub | p3lim: middle of icecrown |
| 00:12.14 | Jerub | p3lim: there's the jumping robot behind one of the houses |
| 00:12.15 | Kraps | he had a mental breakdown anyway |
| 00:12.26 | Jerub | or, jousting. |
| 00:12.29 | Kraps | so i seemed |
| 00:12.41 | Kraps | it* |
| 00:12.54 | alestane | In the first part, several familiar stories cross over each other on their way to completion. In the second part, a few years later, various fallout; the giant comes looking for his harp (apparently the beanstalk didn't get chopped down with him on it). Red gives the distinct impression of having been eaten, but definitely not in the gory sense. |
| 00:13.10 | p3lim | Jerub: thanks for the tip |
| 00:13.11 | Dagmar | Yeah the King Of The Mountain daily would be a good place ,but it has precursors |
| 00:13.19 | Jerub | Dagmar: does it? damn. |
| 00:13.23 | Jerub | jousting then. |
| 00:13.42 | Dagmar | Yeah on my last toon the first time I went past it the gnome and stuff were there but I couldn't use htem yet. No idea why |
| 00:13.47 | Jerub | the best bit about joustin gis that you don't get locked out by completing any quests |
| 00:13.49 | Dagmar | The tournament tho is open to everyone |
| 00:13.52 | alestane | Jack comes across as a little simple (after all, there must be some reason he's still living with Mom). When the giant steps on Jack's mother, Red offers to "be his mommy." |
| 00:14.09 | alestane | ...and My GODS, but that comment *dripped* with sex. |
| 00:15.03 | p3lim | Jerub: cannot interract with it :s |
| 00:15.04 | SqueeG | what is this now, alestane? |
| 00:15.41 | alestane | 20:08 alestane: Ever See "Into the Woods," Kraps? |
| 00:15.54 | SqueeG | ah, thank you |
| 00:16.47 | Dagmar | Moral: Don't trust married women you're not married to. It never turns out well. |
| 00:16.59 | SqueeG | is that a play, alestane, or movie? |
| 00:17.07 | alestane | A musical, SqueeG. |
| 00:17.11 | SqueeG | *sad* |
| 00:17.12 | p3lim | Anyone else got a suggestion where to test vehicles? |
| 00:17.21 | p3lim | without prequests pref, its on cata beta |
| 00:17.52 | alestane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Woods#Film |
| 00:17.53 | Dagmar | You should be able to just walk right up to the Tournament, yammer at the NPC, and get on a horse |
| 00:18.09 | alestane | There have been plans and talks to make a film, but it's never actually happened. |
| 00:18.37 | p3lim | Dagmar: pretty sure it has prequests |
| 00:18.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'm seriously going to have to start haunting the Goodwill and Salvation Army stores to put this together. :) |
| 00:18.53 | Dagmar | The Tournament? Nope. |
| 00:19.06 | p3lim | though the instance doesnt |
| 00:19.07 | Dagmar | I've taken two toons straight there when they hit 77 now. |
| 00:19.28 | Dagmar | One of hte first things you do is have to get on a horse and go whack at wooden targets for a bit. |
| 00:19.43 | alestane | Cool, Bernadette Peters was the original witch. |
| 00:20.13 | alestane | Also, for those of you who liked Sweeney Todd, Angela Lansbury was the original Mrs. Lovett. |
| 00:20.23 | Dagmar | KotM is the next best thing, but I think you have to have some faction or something. Everything else in Northrend I can think of that has vehicles has them as a part of an actual quest |
| 00:20.57 | p3lim | Dagmar: there are no quests there on beta :p |
| 00:20.57 | Dagmar | Giant hervester robot for dwarves, part of the chain, the woodcuttters for the goblins in the PvP zone, part of a chain initially |
| 00:21.13 | p3lim | instances are empty too |
| 00:21.30 | Dagmar | You're pretty much boned then. |
| 00:21.39 | p3lim | what about the new quests in Azeroth? |
| 00:21.43 | Dagmar | There aren't any vehicles just sitting around for people to walk off with except inside Ulduar |
| 00:21.53 | p3lim | already checked ulduar, empty |
| 00:22.09 | p3lim | ow wait, TotC just spawned |
| 00:22.19 | DesertDwarf | Vehicles in Worgen in Goblin starting areas. |
| 00:22.24 | Lopeppeppy | Angela Lansbury kicks ASS. She's awesome in The Court Jester. |
| 00:22.29 | Lopeppeppy | "If he dies, you die. And by my hand." |
| 00:22.32 | Dagmar | Ah the trikes might work |
| 00:23.02 | p3lim | DesertDwarf: good suggestion, I'll remember that one |
| 00:23.12 | alestane | I loved finding out that the original version of the meat-pie dispensing conspiratress to murder was the goddamned teapot. |
| 00:23.26 | Dagmar | If you don't mind wading through some newb DK quests, there's that dragon quest in the newb DK instances |
| 00:26.27 | Iriel | there's the eye quest MUCH earlier |
| 00:26.47 | Iriel | it's one of the very first, though it's a bit of a degenerate vehicle |
| 00:27.19 | Dagmar | Hey now, just because he likes to watch is no reason to be judgemental |
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| 00:28.40 | Lopeppeppy | winks at Iriel. |
| 00:30.38 | p3lim | suggestions: better function name than ShouldBeHidden() |
| 00:30.39 | p3lim | :p |
| 00:31.18 | alestane | What's wrong with it? |
| 00:31.26 | alestane | It says exactly what it returns. |
| 00:31.40 | p3lim | true, but it just doesnt seem right :p |
| 00:33.53 | alestane | Context, then? |
| 00:34.15 | alestane | How will you determine what should be hidden, on what basis? |
| 00:35.16 | p3lim | Its a function that returns wether an xp bar should be hidden or not, based on certain conditions (player at max level, pet same level as player etc) |
| 00:35.24 | p3lim | including vehicle support etc |
| 00:35.55 | alestane | You could call it PetCanGainExperience. |
| 00:37.05 | p3lim | nah, its more than that |
| 00:37.40 | Dagmar | Okay screw this |
| 00:37.50 | alestane | ExperienceIsRelevant? |
| 00:38.04 | alestane | Other than that, I think ShouldBeHidden is probably your best bet. |
| 00:38.21 | Dagmar | I'm finding squat worth looking at online about the second part of the A+ cert. Screw it, I'll take it wholly blind. |
| 00:38.45 | p3lim | Inbenefitial, is that a word? |
| 00:38.52 | p3lim | if so, it would fit just perfect |
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| 00:39.57 | p3lim | unbeneficial :D |
| 00:40.20 | alestane | Is it the XP bar for the pet? |
| 00:40.42 | alestane | I passed the A+ a few years ago fairly handily, Dagmar. |
| 00:45.06 | Dagmar | alestane: I am seeing conflicting info about the second half of the thing... Is it just component identification or is it one of those "fix our pile of broken stuff" tests like Cisco uses? |
| 00:45.42 | Dagmar | It's not like they make PCs I can't fix, so I'm not really worried about that bit, but I'd like to know if someone's going to smack me with a ruler for ignoring all this bullshit I see about wrist straps |
| 00:46.04 | alestane | I didn't have to do anything with hardware, but there are more expanded version of the A+. |
| 00:46.24 | Dagmar | I could really give two craps about the A+ but I have people at the office I'm sick of hearing talk at me about it |
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| 00:46.43 | Dagmar | So I am actually about to spend a little over $300 just to shut some people up |
| 00:47.20 | Dagmar | I've known A+ certified people who couldn't fix things with the manufacturers manual in front of them, so I don't have a whole lot of respect for it |
| 00:47.30 | alestane | About the same reason I'm looking at Master's degrees. |
| 00:47.50 | A-KO | I've found that peolpe who claim they have XYZ certification usually don't. |
| 00:47.55 | A-KO | they just claim they have the "skills" |
| 00:47.59 | A-KO | which is wildly different |
| 00:48.00 | Dagmar | I'm sort of tempted to be a complete dick and schedule Net+ and CISSP exams before the end of hte year as well |
| 00:48.13 | A-KO | CISSP you can't really just "do" unless you've worked in the field for al ong time |
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| 00:48.24 | Dagmar | A-KO: Dude, I had one back in 2000. |
| 00:48.27 | A-KO | did you? |
| 00:48.29 | A-KO | nice |
| 00:48.30 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 00:48.32 | A-KO | and wtf |
| 00:48.35 | A-KO | people are getting on you for A+ |
| 00:48.37 | A-KO | yet you had a CISSP |
| 00:48.41 | A-KO | can I come smack them? |
| 00:48.51 | Dagmar | I let it lapse because outside of HR people and other CISSPs no one knew what the fuck it was |
| 00:49.19 | A-KO | I'm SUPER TEMPTED to jump on the "information security" bandwagon |
| 00:49.29 | Dagmar | The field needs people with clue |
| 00:49.31 | A-KO | I don't usually do anything for bandwagon reasons |
| 00:49.33 | A-KO | does it? |
| 00:49.34 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 00:49.37 | Dagmar | yes., |
| 00:49.47 | Dagmar | I'm about to throw in on a position here for firewall specialist |
| 00:49.53 | Dagmar | I was qualified for that before 2000. |
| 00:49.56 | A-KO | firewall specialist? |
| 00:50.06 | A-KO | damn.....either that's gonna be a gravy job or really suck :P |
| 00:50.19 | A-KO | pets his Juniper NS5GT powering his home network |
| 00:50.19 | Dagmar | I'm just a bit rusty and give less of a crap than most people, but... I found out the guy that was in the position before had hte following experience: |
| 00:50.26 | Dagmar | 3 years of Tier I help desk. |
| 00:50.40 | DesertDwarf | Seriously? |
| 00:50.56 | A-KO | I'm actually tempted to buy an SRX100 to replace my NS5GT |
| 00:51.07 | Dagmar | I just despise interviewing, and I despise all the silly stuff that goes on in infosec. |
| 00:51.07 | A-KO | might save up over a few months to get one |
| 00:51.11 | A-KO | same |
| 00:51.14 | A-KO | interviewing sucks |
| 00:51.25 | p3lim | +alestane: both for pet and player |
| 00:51.27 | A-KO | "So what are your strengths and weaknesses?" *punches in face* well, there's my strength... |
| 00:51.34 | p3lim | just cleaning/tweaking oUF_Experience |
| 00:51.43 | Dagmar | My mom was a nut and sent me to a crap college, so after three years of learning more on my own than in the classes I left |
| 00:52.07 | Dagmar | Makes me want to strangle each and every person who gets goggle eyed over that I don't have a degree. |
| 00:52.11 | A-KO | Dagmar: That's the only reason I haven't attended a 4 year institution, it's like, $30-$40K for a piece of paper....but now I'm thinking the paper might actually help out...... |
| 00:52.19 | Dagmar | "I can read and learn by myself just fine thank you very much" |
| 00:52.34 | A-KO | like, I know a bunch of people making more than me--but at some point their salaries are going to cap out |
| 00:52.37 | A-KO | without it |
| 00:53.04 | A-KO | is working on his MCITP exams |
| 00:53.11 | A-KO | upgrading my Windows certifications......from 2000.... |
| 00:53.28 | A-KO | not that there's much of a difference.......but....epeen and all |
| 00:53.38 | Jerub | Dagmar: *nod* |
| 00:53.45 | Dagmar | I'm thinking that now the college I was going to has some classes that aren't _already obsolete_ (seriously Fortran-77 and Pascal were useless even then) I might send them my resume and see if they don't mind reinstating all my general ed credits |
| 00:54.07 | Jerub | Dagmar: i survived university by a) it being practically free here, and b) working as a fulltime programmer while doing 2 of my 3 fulltime uni years. |
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| 00:54.26 | Dagmar | I'll do the "tele-learning" thing which they're desperate to promote, spend maybe two years banging on the core requirements, get a BS and they can call me an alumni |
| 00:54.33 | A-KO | Jerub: the school I'm looking at is $250/credit |
| 00:54.34 | Jerub | Dagmar: also, i'm curious as to your opinion on infosec stuff today. |
| 00:54.36 | A-KO | and I need 120 credits |
| 00:54.48 | Dagmar | One year if I can talk some of the professors into just giving me the final |
| 00:55.09 | A-KO | heh, from what I've seen, there's too much pressure downward against security....... |
| 00:55.19 | A-KO | business people don't want to fork over the $, and IT doesn't want to implement it if they don't have to |
| 00:55.30 | Dagmar | You just have to show them the money. |
| 00:55.33 | A-KO | = more work |
| 00:55.53 | Dagmar | Show them their own money, flying out the window daily because they lack security. |
| 00:55.58 | A-KO | Dagmar: yeah, but it's all theoretical, you know.....in their minds, you have 2 sides of the coin....our side, which carries a gigantic 72-point font IF statement |
| 00:56.08 | Jerub | A-KO: what i see is that people in infosec are paranoid loons who don't understand how stuff works, but because they're paranoid loons who tell a good story they keep their jobs and train their coworkers and replacements to be paranoid loons who tell a good story. |
| 00:56.09 | Dagmar | There's no theoretical to most of it |
| 00:56.31 | Dagmar | Go talk to the desktop support people and find out how much time they spend cleaning viruses off PCs. |
| 00:56.49 | Jerub | Dagmar: *nod* |
| 00:56.58 | A-KO | yeah, sure--but say it takes 2-3 hours to clean a laptop, if that.....that's only a handful of dollars lost |
| 00:57.06 | A-KO | not counting what possible data was stolen |
| 00:57.11 | A-KO | but that stolen data is an "if" |
| 00:57.13 | Dagmar | How many times a year does it happen tho |
| 00:57.14 | A-KO | and "maybe" and "probably" |
| 00:57.15 | Jerub | A-KO: uh, what? |
| 00:57.36 | Jerub | a few hours of someone unable to do any work making money is >> a handful. |
| 00:57.42 | Dagmar | You can generally get people to sign off on spending 2/3 of what they spent last year if it'll eliminate the problem |
| 00:57.55 | A-KO | Jerub: sure, but when you actually do the math, that actually isn't that much.... |
| 00:58.04 | Dagmar | Things like UPSes become infinitely easier to justify if you go talk to the power company about how may power failures they've had in the last couple of years |
| 00:58.26 | Dagmar | Calculate lost income from downtime. |
| 00:58.40 | A-KO | coupe of hundred bucks |
| 00:58.46 | A-KO | not counting potential lost sales or w/e industry they're in |
| 00:58.51 | A-KO | I think they call that "externalities" or something |
| 00:58.57 | A-KO | IIRC from an economist person I spoke to... |
| 00:59.02 | Dagmar | Now add wages of everyone standing around because the network or whatever is down. |
| 00:59.33 | Dagmar | Generally you very quickly arrive at a figure much larger than a few UPSes |
| 00:59.41 | ckknight | http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8cq1tELiw1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg |
| 00:59.53 | A-KO | sure, but then you have to factor in the size of the business and what it is you're trying to do......for example.....something like NAP would really benefit my company, a LOT.....I would say about 20-30% of the people in our office are contractors |
| 01:00.07 | A-KO | but convincing them that they should probably implement that is gg |
| 01:00.08 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:00.15 | Jerub | ckknight: nice |
| 01:00.21 | Dagmar | Screw selling htem on benefit. |
| 01:00.29 | Dagmar | That's the hardest thing to do. |
| 01:00.44 | A-KO | but if they've gone sya, 10 years "without incident" |
| 01:00.45 | Dagmar | Turn the picture upside down and project how much money is being lost by _not_ doing it. |
| 01:00.47 | A-KO | it's hard to tell them they need to change |
| 01:01.02 | A-KO | Dagmar: well, in the case of my company's industry, it would pretty much murder the company if something were to happen |
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| 01:01.26 | Dagmar | One of those "if lightning strikes the local power station we're all out of jobs" scenarios? |
| 01:01.57 | A-KO | no, more like, "if our insecure practices of handling customer data were to get out, because of the nature of what data we have, it could destroy the brand image." |
| 01:02.02 | alestane | I was going to link this to both of you, Cairenn, but then Peppy went away: http://pastey.net/140437 |
| 01:02.23 | Jerub | http://doesaustraliahaveagovernmentyet.com/ |
| 01:02.24 | Dagmar | A-Ko: So they've never had an incident before? |
| 01:02.38 | A-KO | Dagmar: there's no incident that's documented, at least. |
| 01:02.41 | Dagmar | Do they have any even remote clue as to how many man hours would be eaten alive just from having to do the resulting audit? |
| 01:02.48 | A-KO | nope, and they don't care |
| 01:02.55 | A-KO | they think they can hide behind the franchise system :P |
| 01:02.58 | Dagmar | That's probably your best avenue of attack |
| 01:02.59 | A-KO | which, you can't. |
| 01:03.22 | alestane | http://hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/, Jerub. |
| 01:03.24 | A-KO | it's like saying that McDonalds isn't at fault to the hot coffee thing even though each McDonalds is independently owned/operated sort-of deal :P |
| 01:03.40 | Dagmar | An absolute best-case scenario would generally be to contract a consulting firm to do the audit. They'll come up with estimates. |
| 01:04.10 | Dagmar | The result would be both hard to argue with, and probably cover a lot of extra things you might not think of |
| 01:04.43 | Cairenn | alestane: nice |
| 01:04.44 | A-KO | yeah, but I just don't think they care--they'll look at the decade amount of data and go "why do we need this now?" |
| 01:04.56 | A-KO | the only way it would possibly happen is simply by pulling up the various state regulations on data handling |
| 01:05.15 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Because state regulators can and will take people to jail if they don't |
| 01:05.16 | A-KO | of which, honestly, aren't that great....lol |
| 01:05.41 | Dagmar | "Does it say 'manager' in my title? That means *I* won't be going to jail for this." |
| 01:05.53 | A-KO | yeah |
| 01:05.55 | A-KO | pretty much |
| 01:06.17 | A-KO | I'll be honest, the machines are probably already pwned in some cases......but we have no way of knowing that |
| 01:06.23 | A-KO | because we don't audit/monitor the entire environment |
| 01:06.37 | Dagmar | 80% of it is still insiders |
| 01:06.41 | A-KO | is it? |
| 01:06.45 | A-KO | hmm |
| 01:06.48 | Dagmar | According to CERT. |
| 01:06.50 | Jerub | ckknight: http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/201f3922-e789-4e82-9248-7c935af07017.jpg |
| 01:06.56 | A-KO | I had an interesting chat with Symantec's CISO earlier this year about this sort of stuff |
| 01:07.03 | Dagmar | Corporate espionage happens _much_ more often than people like to admit. |
| 01:07.51 | A-KO | hm |
| 01:08.07 | A-KO | I wouldn't even know what to look for on that--I know we don't monitor that sort of stuff |
| 01:08.32 | A-KO | though |
| 01:08.34 | A-KO | on the new systems going out |
| 01:08.38 | A-KO | I'm turning that sort of stuff on :P |
| 01:08.47 | A-KO | silently.... |
| 01:08.51 | Dagmar | Well, if it comes up and some middle manager is very vehemently and vocally against it, he's probably got some access to the system no one knows about |
| 01:09.11 | A-KO | we're slowly building a new environment, bringing it up from the stone age--and I'm turning on things like access auditing and things like that |
| 01:09.20 | Dagmar | Ah that's good |
| 01:09.28 | A-KO | behind the scenes,e not telling them I'm doing it |
| 01:09.29 | A-KO | just doing it |
| 01:09.42 | A-KO | it's not like it afects things either way, and can help us out in certain situations :P |
| 01:09.59 | Dagmar | Is it generating new information that's reported to you? |
| 01:10.13 | A-KO | we've got the new systems linked to SCOM and it pulls back their event logs :P |
| 01:10.22 | Dagmar | If it is, you'd better document it nad make sure your immediate super knows about it |
| 01:10.32 | A-KO | oh, yeah, my immediate supervisor knows about it |
| 01:10.41 | A-KO | it's just not something we're having huge meetings/discussions on |
| 01:10.56 | A-KO | just "hey I think this is a good idea that we should probably do." and he goes "sure, I agree." *done* |
| 01:10.56 | Dagmar | ...because if you should actually _catch_ an insider who is up to no good, there's a very real possibility that they could pull some strings and just have you fired to cover it up |
| 01:11.41 | A-KO | well, not that I even know what to look for in terms of who's doing what, but if I were to guess of anyone doing any insider type business like that, they wouldn't have those strings. |
| 01:11.57 | A-KO | but then again, who knows. |
| 01:12.02 | Dagmar | Oh you would be just shocked, man. |
| 01:13.12 | A-KO | hmm |
| 01:13.14 | alestane | http://writersremorse.com/news/quotations-writers-writing |
| 01:13.16 | Dagmar | Some competitor comes a'callin' pretending to be looking to filch employees... they sweet talk a few people and then sort of wander off, the next thing you know you've got some guy in sales turning in his resignation, but only after quietly smuggling a copy of hte last three years transactional data on invoices and customer lists to said competitor |
| 01:13.31 | A-KO | heh |
| 01:14.00 | Dagmar | That sort of thing is almost as common as the competitor turning around and deciding not to hire the guy after all |
| 01:14.13 | A-KO | Dagmar: well, unfortunately, I don't have the full depth of the ability to look at *everything*, particularly because, due to just the way that people decided it would be built, we all will use a couple of shared accounts to manage the systems. |
| 01:14.38 | Dagmar | Oh that's just awesome. No 1:1 relationships for logging. |
| 01:15.12 | A-KO | yep |
| 01:15.12 | A-KO | I tried |
| 01:15.14 | A-KO | and failed |
| 01:15.14 | A-KO | :( |
| 01:15.41 | Dagmar | Reasonable doubt: "We're trying to claim Jim was the one who emailed those plans to the Chinese, but since Tim and Jacob were also logged into the system that day..." |
| 01:15.51 | A-KO | essentially, they didn't want to trust the new domain with the corporate one, and wanted to keep them separate--which means entirely different accounts and whatnot...and management thinks it'd be too much hassle to create accounts for people. |
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| 01:16.11 | A-KO | but |
| 01:16.12 | A-KO | actually |
| 01:16.14 | Dagmar | It's a song I've heard many times. |
| 01:16.20 | A-KO | I might be able to get away with doing it now... |
| 01:16.22 | A-KO | I'll have to revisit it.. |
| 01:16.33 | A-KO | oh trust me it was like one of the first things I brought up |
| 01:17.06 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://skitch.com/davecheney/dicmw/badger-badger-badger |
| 01:17.15 | A-KO | let's put it this way, (if you know anything about windows domains)--I've got it locked so that right now, general workers don't work on the machines in the environment don't carry domain admin access, and I've got a GPO in the OU for those machines that adds them to local admins for those machines. |
| 01:17.31 | Dagmar | Good. |
| 01:17.39 | A-KO | so essentially the only difference would be for me is to create a group, put that group in the policy, and then just make accounts/add to group as needed. |
| 01:17.51 | A-KO | so |
| 01:17.54 | A-KO | for me it's not a huge deal |
| 01:18.26 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.34 | A-KO | ouch |
| 01:18.39 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.10 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.36 | A-KO | I'll experiment with it soon |
| 01:20.24 | A-KO | but yeah, little stuff like that.....it's hard to convince them to even do that |
| 01:20.44 | Dagmar | Hehe hard to convince |
| 01:21.05 | Dagmar | The main reason I'm looking into the departmental transfer is that I found out how much it pays |
| 01:21.19 | Dagmar | Until then my attitude was "you can't pay me enough to get involved in that department" |
| 01:21.26 | A-KO | I'm *very* security conscious.......amusingly enough, I use my netbook to vpn tunnel out from work for personal websurfing.....AES-256 via openvpn, lol |
| 01:21.29 | Dagmar | I had no idea you acutally COULD pay me enough. hehe |
| 01:21.32 | A-KO | haha |
| 01:23.19 | p3lim | +alestane: http://github.com/p3lim/oUF_Experience/blob/cata/oUF_Experience.lua |
| 01:23.25 | p3lim | there you can see what I needed it for :) |
| 01:24.41 | Jerub | A-KO: hahha. i send all my IM over SSH to my home network instead of routing through the work gateway... |
| 01:24.51 | Jerub | A-KO: but that's because i wrote the software that allows it to be monitered and filtered. |
| 01:25.13 | Wobin | <GoJirra> Yay! |
| 01:25.13 | Wobin | <GoJirra> Well, there was a petrol tanker exploded out the front of the building and we successfully prevented everyone from leaving and getting blown up. |
| 01:25.13 | Wobin | <GoJirra> Except for the people who left early to get coffee. They're dead. |
| 01:25.31 | Dagmar | That's gotta be a joke or I'd be seeing it on CNN |
| 01:25.41 | Wobin | (How Fire Warden Training often goes) |
| 01:25.46 | Dagmar | Ah hehe |
| 01:28.23 | Cidan | Wow. FFXIV is... really good. |
| 01:28.41 | Dagmar | You have one hell of a video card... |
| 01:28.48 | Dagmar | ...but an even bigger tolerance for slowness. |
| 01:28.54 | Cidan | Yes, I do, but that's besides the point. |
| 01:29.02 | Dagmar | It's fucking GORGEOUS but what I've seen of it is slow as hell. |
| 01:29.26 | Cidan | Fairly speedy for me, slight slowdown in towns and what not, but as you said, hell of a video card, etc. |
| 01:29.43 | Dagmar | Maybe once I'm through the "welcome to the city -- go meet some people" chain they'll stop making me spend 6 minutes running just to reach the next NPC |
| 01:29.51 | Cidan | However, I love how slow the game is in terms of gameplay, it's a step back from the constant high speed of WoW |
| 01:30.04 | Cidan | And more into the story reading, etc. Which I do like. |
| 01:30.12 | Dagmar | I had to escort one of those hostile little people to a lighthouse. |
| 01:30.27 | Dagmar | It was funny to see her running full tilt... and then mysteriously stop. |
| 01:30.41 | Dagmar | I'd look around and realize she saw the giant mosquito, but it didn't see her yet. |
| 01:31.47 | Cidan | Well, I enjoy it. |
| 01:32.33 | Dagmar | Well, I thought it was a refreshing change that an escort quest--while generally annoying--featured an NPC that actually understood something about how not to get eaten by the wild animals. |
| 01:33.11 | Cidan | Obviously still beta though, very beta. One of the quests in the... green nature-y main town was broken, had to guess which emote to do, 6 times, out of the whole list. |
| 01:33.15 | A-KO | nice |
| 01:33.17 | A-KO | just made $60 |
| 01:33.19 | Cidan | Also, spotted some japanese text |
| 01:33.37 | Dagmar | Cidan: Odd. I did that last night. The chick that had you wave and stuff. |
| 01:33.49 | Shirik | all your love is a lie |
| 01:34.00 | Wobin | all you need is love |
| 01:34.05 | Wobin | love, love changes everything |
| 01:34.41 | Cidan | Dagmar: Indeed. |
| 01:34.44 | Dagmar | I thought the thing was a little dumb, and that people who expect NPCs to tell them _exactly_ the emote to use might fail horribly at it, but it didn't look broke. Maybe they fixed it. |
| 01:35.05 | Dagmar | I know my toon did the wrong emote animation tho |
| 01:35.22 | Dagmar | Clap and cheer, by the description the little girl gave, have their animations reversed |
| 01:35.50 | Cidan | Ah, when I did it, all they did was put their hands together. Every time. |
| 01:35.51 | Dagmar | this stood out because I was supposed to be clapping enthusiastically, and it amounted to a golf clap. |
| 01:36.19 | Dagmar | They need to take that torrent client out back and shoot it. |
| 01:36.21 | Dagmar | Badly. |
| 01:36.32 | Cidan | That, they do. Took me quite a while to download. |
| 01:36.33 | Dagmar | It's beyond stupid. |
| 01:36.53 | Cidan | I do like the game, but I'm on the fence as to if I'll get it. Not sure. It's... fun, no doubt. |
| 01:36.55 | Dagmar | You know why you didn't see any actual official clients showing up in your list of torrent peers? |
| 01:37.10 | Cidan | Because no one was using it? |
| 01:37.14 | Cairenn | Wobin: awwww |
| 01:37.19 | Dagmar | ...because the official client is so stupid, it *always* tries to connect to 55268. |
| 01:38.26 | Dagmar | I noticed a pretty steady stream of mysterious connection attempts to that port bouncing off my firewall when I started using actual BitTorrent to get the files becaues I wanted it downloded before the thing was in stores. |
| 01:38.29 | Cidan | I still want to wait for Guild Wars 2, see how that works. |
| 01:38.58 | Dagmar | Guessing at what it was, I forward that port in, and sure enough a few default clients actually managed to stay connected |
| 01:39.51 | Wobin | If I played GW2 |
| 01:39.53 | Wobin | I'd log in |
| 01:40.01 | Wobin | and put a drinky bird on the jump key |
| 01:40.48 | Dagmar | Heh. I'll definitely check out GW2, but I've got doubts about how much of what they say they're doing will actually survive to release |
| 01:41.12 | Dagmar | FFXIV doesn't appear to have any "dress-up" stuff in it at all |
| 01:41.18 | Jerub | i just want to kil the freaking lich king |
| 01:42.15 | Dagmar | I don't think I could really justify paying a monthly fee for an RPG where you can't even pick yer own clothes |
| 01:42.19 | Dagmar | (or lack thereof) |
| 01:43.03 | Jerub | Dagmar: hm, playing games like QFG you didn't have any wardrobe options |
| 01:43.07 | Jerub | well, apart from the shield. |
| 01:45.04 | Dagmar | QFG/ |
| 01:45.07 | Dagmar | What's that? |
| 01:46.52 | Jerub | quest for glory. |
| 01:46.58 | Jerub | sorry, early sierra crpg |
| 01:47.17 | Jerub | contempory of EOB and ultima 6ish |
| 01:47.34 | Dagmar | Oh, THAT thing |
| 01:47.37 | SqueeG | lol |
| 01:47.43 | SqueeG | my gf LOVES QFG |
| 01:47.53 | Jerub | SqueeG: well, obviously. |
| 01:48.08 | Dagmar | I fail to see how that should impact whether or not I'm forced to run around in a freaking burlap sack in FFXIV |
| 01:48.20 | Dagmar | Their client has some interesting bugs too, which I enjoyed reporting. |
| 01:48.50 | Dagmar | Not even going to mention mouse lag, but selecting a resolution that would require the client to make the display mode-swich just made the screen go black. |
| 01:49.14 | Dagmar | My favorite tho is that it takes a good 20 seconds to actually logout and exit. |
| 01:49.40 | Dagmar | If you dare alt-tab while in fullscreen mode tho, the client goes "eek! I am unable to find \\.\DISPLAY" and exits immediately. |
| 01:50.45 | Dagmar | They get points for allowing you to select either of two screens, but fail in that if the display loses focus the game also exits for the same reason. hehe |
| 01:51.12 | SqueeG | the ability to follow NPCs should be added.... |
| 01:51.26 | SqueeG | their walk pace is impossible to match |
| 01:52.23 | Xyphoid | i just wish you could convince npcs to ride in your motorbike |
| 01:53.22 | SqueeG | lol |
| 01:53.35 | SqueeG | oh god... dead hooker npcs EVERYWHERE |
| 01:53.47 | Cidan | Dagmar: there is an unofficial patch to enable hardware mouse |
| 01:53.58 | Cidan | Dagmar: I used it before I even started the game the first time. |
| 01:54.03 | Cidan | Dagmar: Instant 1:1 mouse. |
| 01:54.21 | Cidan | http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/14815-enabling-the-hardware-mouse/ |
| 01:58.07 | Cidan | Dagmar: Also, quickest way to logout; alt-tab, :P |
| 01:58.34 | DWSR | How's life everyone? |
| 01:59.07 | Cidan | life-y |
| 02:00.32 | Dagmar | SqueeG: _Sheathe your weapon_ before chasing the quest NPC. It does say that your movement speed is about 5% slower somewhere or other in there |
| 02:01.06 | DWSR | Cidan: orly? |
| 02:01.09 | SqueeG | i should unsheathe it then |
| 02:01.13 | Dagmar | Ciden: Ah the hardware mouse thing will come in handy later tonight.. Thanks! |
| 02:01.16 | SqueeG | because they walk torturously slow |
| 02:01.27 | Cidan | Dagmar: np, I imagine it makes the game so much more enjoyable |
| 02:01.40 | Dagmar | I'd also like to give a great big saluting finger to everyone in Asia for deciding that 'Dagmar' is some kind of reserved name. |
| 02:02.24 | Dagmar | squeeg: Okay you just made the decision for me to ignore anyone who isn't one of those little squirty people asking for an escort then |
| 02:02.24 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:02.35 | SqueeG | lol |
| 02:02.46 | Dagmar | I've been trying to check the game out and it's just slow as treacle in too many places |
| 02:02.48 | Fisker | I can write penis |
| 02:04.23 | Dagmar | The mouse lag thing was so annoying I actually pulled out my USB Xbox pc controller for the second time ever and started using it |
| 02:05.13 | kd3 | good grief. |
| 02:05.27 | Cidan | Yeah, I can't even imagine having mouse lag |
| 02:05.32 | Cidan | I'd shoot my self. |
| 02:05.32 | kd3 | just wrote a 3100-character description of a boss fight for a normal level 41 quest in thousand needles |
| 02:05.54 | Dagmar | cool |
| 02:07.34 | Kandoko | http://kandoko.com/WIP/SearchMain.7z here it is |
| 02:07.50 | Kandoko | Gah I can't hit the right tab for my life tonight |
| 02:11.03 | Dagmar | I'll have to scour that forum later and see if there's a fix for the fact that the damn thing cna't actually change screen resolution |
| 02:11.23 | Cidan | I've never had that problem, :( |
| 02:11.25 | Dagmar | I've got the thing running at 1024x768 so the frame rate doesn't suck. |
| 02:12.02 | Dagmar | Telling the client to use quarter-resolution rendering unfortunately just looks like crap |
| 02:12.50 | Dagmar | ...which is pretty much the case with every game I've seen give that as an option, but surely SOMEONE must be liking the idea of pixels as big as your thumb or people would quit putting it in as an option |
| 02:13.55 | Cidan | wow |
| 02:14.00 | Cidan | getglobal and setglobal removed |
| 02:14.04 | Cidan | from 4.0.1 |
| 02:14.10 | Dagmar | Whoa |
| 02:14.55 | Cidan | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_4.0.1/API_changes |
| 02:15.06 | Cidan | UNIT_MANA, etc, all gone |
| 02:15.12 | Cidan | UNIT_POWER used instead |
| 02:15.14 | Cidan | which, makes sense. |
| 02:16.33 | Iriel | Cidan: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=2000&topicId=26560499864 |
| 02:16.47 | Kraps | is not wearing pants |
| 02:17.33 | Kraps | thats american for you brits |
| 02:18.00 | kd3 | ...a draenei pirate? |
| 02:19.15 | alestane | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/04/demon-children-want.html |
| 02:21.00 | Kraps | http://www.museumofsex.com/ |
| 02:22.45 | Kraps | first time ive heard of it |
| 02:24.29 | Cidan | What, sex, or the museum? xD |
| 02:25.30 | Kraps | thats cold Cidan |
| 02:25.38 | Torhal | So that's what they meant by "Night in The Museum" |
| 02:26.04 | SqueeG | the museum of sex is lies! |
| 02:26.46 | Cidan | ha, :D |
| 02:27.00 | SqueeG | their website is balls, too |
| 02:27.03 | SqueeG | unless they changed it |
| 02:27.15 | SqueeG | it used to be one huge canvas that you had to click/drag across |
| 02:27.26 | Kraps | looks good |
| 02:29.27 | Cidan | Kraps: Just kidding, :( |
| 02:29.39 | Kraps | i know ;) |
| 02:35.29 | Kraps | http://www.museumofsex.com/exhibit/sex-life-of-robots eh |
| 02:36.08 | Cidan | What's a good place to level mid level 40's? |
| 02:36.14 | Cidan | Seems like there's nothing solid. |
| 02:36.21 | kd3 | post-cata? |
| 02:36.30 | Cidan | Pre |
| 02:36.44 | Cidan | Sorry, leveling alts, never been big on leveling since original run like, 4 years ago. |
| 02:37.34 | alestane | Which side, Cidan? |
| 02:38.17 | Xyphoid | hinterlands |
| 02:38.21 | Cidan | Alliance |
| 02:38.44 | alestane | Mid 40s is Hinterlands, Feralas or Tanaris. |
| 02:39.15 | alestane | The three also send you to run back and forth between them a lot. |
| 02:39.24 | Xyphoid | the quests do kind of suck at that point |
| 02:40.06 | alestane | Yeah, that's one of those things that seems to be getting cleaned up in Cataclysm. |
| 02:40.24 | Cidan | I think I'll try Tanaris. |
| 02:40.35 | Cidan | I'm remembering why my Warlock was at level 40 for 3 years, now. |
| 02:41.08 | Cidan | foxlit: Option to have last casted action the quick action for a ring, xD |
| 02:42.09 | Cidan | Thanks all for the suggestions, by the way |
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| 02:44.48 | Dagmar | Hm... I just pounded Tanaris for awhile then Feralas for a bit, then Un'Goro |
| 02:47.26 | Cidan | Can't wait until we hit late 50 and we can just go to hellfire, bleh. |
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| 03:01.49 | Jerub | cataclysm item stats look totally out of control |
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| 03:06.11 | Jerub | seen this? http://www.youtube.com/user/tippexperience |
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| 03:07.29 | Kandoko | Craps he's like jason/freddy he just never dies... http://kotaku.com/5630192/how-duke-nukem-forever-was-brought-back-to-life |
| 03:11.10 | Dagmar | Kandoko: Yeah at first I thought PAX was just trolling the world |
| 03:11.24 | Dagmar | ...but apparently Gearbox has something they're going to ship |
| 03:11.43 | Kandoko | Damn, I was hoping wired could give it vaporware of the year again |
| 03:12.08 | Dagmar | It'll be interesting to see if they try to rescind that award. |
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| 03:17.25 | Kraps | Dagmar: no reason PAX would troll, this game is srs business |
| 03:17.58 | Dagmar | For as many years as 3D Realms was just _saying_ they were going to release it? |
| 03:18.08 | Dagmar | Nah, that's _prime_ trolling fodder right there |
| 03:20.40 | Kraps | idk, Broussard is just a moron |
| 03:27.54 | Kraps | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20408488,00.html |
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| 03:35.18 | SqueeG | so...that youtube Fred guy has a movie... |
| 03:35.26 | SqueeG | the world is officially coming to an end |
| 03:37.50 | SqueeG | the sparklematics are moneysinks! |
| 03:42.17 | Kraps | Sophie Ellis-Bextor anyone? |
| 03:46.39 | Dagmar | Kraps: This will make you feel better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g&feature=player_embedded |
| 03:57.32 | Kraps | Dagmar: nice |
| 03:58.10 | PProvost | I love the RSA Animate series |
| 03:58.24 | PProvost | The one of Daniel Pink's talk about motivation is great |
| 03:58.39 | Dagmar | It also explains a bit why it seems that most of the new people on the interenet are DICKS. |
| 03:59.48 | Jerub | Dagmar: isn't it still just the endless september? |
| 03:59.56 | Kraps | problem is that we are so divided within our national identities that how can we emphasize outside of that? |
| 04:00.12 | Jerub | 'eternal' september, sorry. |
| 04:00.58 | Jerub | (i joined the internet in mid '93, i am part of the unwashed masses that started the eternal september) |
| 04:01.17 | Dagmar | Jerub: No, that amounted to people who behaved a little savagely, but mainly didn't know how to do a goddamn thing on their own |
| 04:01.26 | Dagmar | That's one of ignorance, not uncouthness. |
| 04:01.48 | Jerub | don't see a difference. |
| 04:01.49 | Jerub | :P |
| 04:02.02 | Dagmar | Clue can wind up being over-diluted when too many people are dropped into the system without it. |
| 04:02.19 | Dagmar | Faced with a lack of clue, they generate their own false clue, which are called 'bogons'. |
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| 04:02.43 | Dagmar | The bogons look and smell like clue, but are the product of ignorance. |
| 04:03.04 | Dagmar | THey rather rapidly begin to overwhelm any chance acutal clue has of catching up. |
| 04:03.56 | Jerub | not all the bogons smell |
| 04:04.24 | Jerub | 104.0.0.0/7 is kinda floral |
| 04:04.31 | Dagmar | Bogons are not limited to the internet. They frequently manifest as real-world behaviours which on one end of the spectrum are represented by witch doctors, and on the other end are represented by idiots frantically flailing Polaroids around because they think it'll make them develop faster. |
| 04:05.04 | Dagmar | That's all a lack of _correct information_ resulting in people making bad decisions. |
| 04:05.52 | Jerub | reminds me of people responding to computers bluescreening by running a defrag |
| 04:05.59 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 04:06.10 | Dagmar | ...and Gentoo. Let's not forget them. |
| 04:06.12 | Dagmar | :D |
| 04:08.26 | Dagmar | If that RSAnimate flick is right, we're seeing the behaviour manifesting on the internet because empathy hasn't reached the global scope yet... but all the _secondary drives_ are still there. |
| 04:09.02 | Dagmar | Nearly every one of which are solipsistic and selfish. |
| 04:09.42 | Dagmar | This leads me to a conclusion I don't like... I'll have to raise my kids to be hippies, or the world is doomed. |
| 04:10.16 | Jerub | oh, didn't watch the youtube. |
| 04:10.44 | Dagmar | You should watch it. It's actually intellectual. |
| 04:11.01 | Jerub | Dagmar: saving my youtube at work credits for the election coverage. |
| 04:11.07 | Dagmar | ...and nifty to watch someone draw something on a whiteboard that isn't a UPS truck or org chart. |
| 04:11.11 | Jerub | we're at 74-all, 76 needed to win, 2 independants. |
| 04:14.05 | Dagmar | Who're you trying to elect? |
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| 04:15.19 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo&feature=channel |
| 04:15.26 | Jerub | Dagmar: a government. |
| 04:16.07 | Jerub | Dagmar: this is the house of reps, 76 of the 150 seats means you get a prime minister and power over the country for your party. |
| 04:16.28 | Jerub | Dagmar: a prime minister is sorta like your president, and the house of reps is kinda like your congress. i think. |
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| 04:16.46 | Jerub | it's been over 2weeks since the election and we still don't know who won. |
| 04:17.02 | Kraps | where> |
| 04:17.05 | Jerub | australia |
| 04:17.36 | Jerub | and if you count the raw votes (this doesn't actually mean anything, it's just indiciative. |
| 04:17.44 | Jerub | 5,832,834 voted for one party |
| 04:17.51 | Jerub | 5,834,778 voted for the other one. |
| 04:19.26 | SqueeG | dooooes anyone know if... |
| 04:19.35 | SqueeG | a person stopped playing their RAF account after 1 month |
| 04:19.49 | SqueeG | If they pick it up again and pay for that second month... much later |
| 04:19.55 | SqueeG | will that still count? |
| 04:21.23 | Dagmar | Possibly |
| 04:21.59 | Dagmar | I know that's a really useful answer. Someone in billing might know. If the RAF perks still work (XP Gain when grouped) then very likely so. |
| 04:22.32 | Dagmar | Jerub: Geez you guys are so far behind the rest of the world it's not even funny. |
| 04:22.47 | Jerub | Dagmar: hm? |
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| 04:23.03 | Dagmar | Don't you guys know that the greater of two evils is supposed to make back room deals with the companies that build the voting machines so that they can make sure nothing like a near-tie can happen? |
| 04:23.16 | Jerub | well, now we've got a potentially hung parilament, it means that the USA the last country inthe world with a two party system |
| 04:23.16 | Dagmar | If there were a dispute about the election, IT COULD TEAR THE COUNTRY APART! |
| 04:23.39 | ajmitch | Jerub: don't worry, you'll probably have another election soon to sort it out |
| 04:23.48 | Dagmar | Jerub: Wait, I only counted two parties you were talking about. |
| 04:24.03 | Dagmar | checks the American Flag for a 51st star |
| 04:25.29 | Dagmar | The lip-flapping in the media about election rigging really pissed me off. |
| 04:25.44 | SqueeG | ACORN was election rigging :p |
| 04:26.00 | Dagmar | Those jackasses actually argued that contesting an electrion and asking for a more careful vote would somehow reduce the american's faith in the voting process. |
| 04:26.41 | SqueeG | which state? |
| 04:27.02 | Dagmar | I think Diebold reneged in the 11th hour this last time, and I'm fairly convinced that at least the election before that was tampered with in a big way... and most of the time less than a quarter of the population even bothers. HOW MUCH WORSE could it possibly get? |
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| 04:27.52 | SqueeG | there's big turn outs this election |
| 04:28.13 | SqueeG | well... big is relative to past election turn outs |
| 04:28.19 | SqueeG | there're a lot of pissed of people |
| 04:29.21 | Kraps | SqueeG: so it jumped from 25 to 30 percent? |
| 04:29.40 | Dagmar | Hell you Australians will probably revert straight to cannibalism if this election falls apart |
| 04:29.46 | SqueeG | lol probably |
| 04:29.53 | SqueeG | I don't remember the numbers |
| 04:30.01 | Kraps | really, the 08 election also had a lot of pissed off people |
| 04:30.07 | SqueeG | but turn out on the conservative side is like... double what it normally is |
| 04:30.08 | SqueeG | or something |
| 04:30.27 | Dagmar | Kraps: Stupid people get mad about a lot of things. |
| 04:30.46 | Dagmar | Then they form into groups and call themselves stupid things like "Teabaggers". |
| 04:31.22 | SqueeG | they don't call themselves teabaggers |
| 04:31.36 | SqueeG | Blogs and news outlets tagged them with that |
| 04:31.37 | Dagmar | Someone's late to the party |
| 04:31.45 | Dagmar | No, they're callin' themselves Teabaggers |
| 04:32.14 | Dagmar | ...which, based on their outward behaviour and primary methods of argumentation, actually kinda fits. |
| 04:32.40 | SqueeG | unless you're talking about some fringe group, the tea part doesn't typically refer to themselves as teabaggers |
| 04:32.56 | SqueeG | ooo that was full of bad grammar... |
| 04:32.59 | SqueeG | ah well, it's late |
| 04:33.03 | Dagmar | The first few days that was going on you could see a few of the anchormen on CNN get this weird look on their face when mentioning it. |
| 04:33.46 | Dagmar | At least the higher-ups have gotten the clue to call themselves "The Tea Party" but the rest of them aren't that bright. |
| 04:33.59 | SqueeG | ... it was a big controversy when they were labelled teabaggers |
| 04:34.11 | Xyphoid | you keep on claiming that they call themselves teabaggers but it's still untrue |
| 04:34.13 | Jerub | Dagmar: uh, no one would dare dispute the election rresults. |
| 04:34.15 | SqueeG | because it's a rude name, and they weren't appreciative of it |
| 04:34.34 | Jerub | Dagmar: our electoral commission is contracted by a bunch of countries to run their elections, and is probably the best in the world. |
| 04:34.42 | Dagmar | I've got a picture right here on my desk of some well-meaning hillbilly woman holding up a sign that says "I'M TEAbaggiNG 4 JESUS" |
| 04:35.22 | Jerub | if it's a 75-all draw, we go back to the polls. |
| 04:35.32 | Dagmar | Jerub: LIke I said, you're behind the times. Your elections actually seem to have things like "audit trails" and "accountability" |
| 04:35.35 | SqueeG | aye, some people wear the name as a badge of honor, to spite the people trying to demean them |
| 04:35.39 | SqueeG | and then there are idiots |
| 04:35.43 | Jerub | what's actually happening is that the independants that were elected to the house of reps are declaring which side they support today. |
| 04:35.44 | Dagmar | Bush adminstration did away with all that |
| 04:35.45 | Dagmar | heh |
| 04:36.22 | Jerub | Dagmar: The last time the UN came here to monitor an election, they left with a laundry list of things we did that they could encourage other countries to do as well ;) |
| 04:36.45 | Jerub | if you guys want a fairly run election btw, the AEC will happily contract to you :P |
| 04:36.47 | Dagmar | Jerub: I acutally spent a bit of time window shopping other countries about 2006 or so |
| 04:37.26 | Jerub | hell, when we had a school council election (that is, to elect representatives from the school body) that election was run by the AEC. |
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| 04:37.33 | Dagmar | Australia was on my list because the women sound sort of british, and they're generally tougher |
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| 04:38.11 | Dagmar | Deadly non-mega fauna was a big detractor tho |
| 04:40.17 | Kraps | Jerub: the UN can suck something or other |
| 04:40.35 | Jerub | Dagmar: pfft. |
| 04:40.39 | SqueeG | Kraps: agreed |
| 04:40.48 | Jerub | Dagmar: you're more at risk from terrain than animals. |
| 04:41.07 | Dagmar | Personally I think that it's the much more immediate threat of wildly uncontrolled violence from the general populace being leveled at politicians that has kept the election systems in Australia more or less effective |
| 04:41.18 | kd3 | wtf blizz |
| 04:41.25 | kd3 | "We All Scream for Ice Cream... and then Die!" |
| 04:41.30 | Shirik | ?? |
| 04:41.32 | Jerub | Dagmar: like, snakes, for instance. i'm the member of a bushwalking club that's been running since the '50s. they did something like 500 walks last year nad has 800 members, and there isn't a single recorded incidence of snakebite. |
| 04:41.40 | Thunder_Child | a quest name i assume Shirik |
| 04:41.41 | Dagmar | Jerub: My guild leader has had to have his wife save him from something deadly in the house twice in the last year |
| 04:41.46 | Jerub | (3 helicopters liftouts last year, for broken/damaged limbs) |
| 04:41.53 | kd3 | quest in new thousand needles |
| 04:42.06 | Jerub | Dagmar: where do they live? |
| 04:42.19 | Dagmar | On the edge of the bush apparently |
| 04:42.34 | Xyphoid | i'm more scared of your beaches than the bush |
| 04:42.37 | Jerub | piffle. my parents live 'on the edge of the bush' |
| 04:42.42 | Dagmar | Their equipment malfunctions pretty much scream "unclean power" at me, but I can't do anything about it from way the hell over here |
| 04:42.47 | Jerub | they're 20 minutes from our 3rd largest city. |
| 04:42.55 | Xyphoid | after visiting cairns in jellyfish season |
| 04:42.56 | Jerub | Dagmar: get them to buy a UPS |
| 04:43.03 | Jerub | (and a seasonic power supply) |
| 04:43.12 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3oIiH7BLmg&feature=channel |
| 04:43.15 | Dagmar | Jerub: If shipping wouldn't eat me alive I'd have sent them one by now |
| 04:43.30 | Dagmar | ..plus I don't want to appear to be some "rich asshole" or something |
| 04:43.44 | Jerub | Dagmar: whereabouts tho. |
| 04:43.54 | Dagmar | I dont' know. I'll have to ask them and find out |
| 04:44.15 | SqueeG | the brits have a nifty thing with their outlets |
| 04:44.21 | SqueeG | their outlets have fuses |
| 04:44.26 | SqueeG | and an on/off switch |
| 04:44.35 | Dagmar | Gaines grew up here in Tennessee where deadly spiders come in two kinds, both of which are easily spotted, neither of which are particularly deadly, and one of which really hates to be in anything resembling a habitat of humans |
| 04:44.37 | SqueeG | so it acts as a break by itself |
| 04:44.55 | Dagmar | Squeeg: You mean GFCI outlets? |
| 04:45.04 | Dagmar | They're required in bathrooms in the US now |
| 04:45.07 | SqueeG | no idea :P didn't dig too deep into what it was called :p |
| 04:45.18 | Dagmar | If it's an outlet with a breaker, that'll be it |
| 04:45.23 | SqueeG | not the ones with the reset buttons |
| 04:45.32 | Dagmar | Too many "portable radio in sink and/or tub" incidents |
| 04:45.35 | SqueeG | lol |
| 04:45.48 | SqueeG | oh |
| 04:45.54 | SqueeG | well they have actual switches |
| 04:45.58 | SqueeG | which amused me |
| 04:46.14 | Dagmar | I'm guessing they got a good price. |
| 04:46.24 | Dagmar | I don't see a lot of point in putting a power switch on an outlet |
| 04:46.31 | Dagmar | If you can reach it you can unplug it just fine |
| 04:46.37 | SqueeG | it's just standard there |
| 04:47.24 | SqueeG | i thought it was rather clever to have a breaker at the outlet itself |
| 04:47.36 | SqueeG | help prevent damage from surges |
| 04:48.15 | SqueeG | I asked about surge protectors and they looked at me like i had 3 heads :Pp |
| 04:49.16 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 04:50.26 | Dagmar | They were like that with me and my UPSes when I moved to San Francisco |
| 04:50.39 | Dagmar | ...and then Cal Edison started their shakedown/brownouts |
| 04:51.16 | SqueeG | xD |
| 04:51.28 | SqueeG | and then people saw the light? :p |
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| 04:55.51 | Jerub | deciding press conference in 5 minutes. |
| 04:56.05 | Dagmar | No they actually saw _their_ machines get very upset and their halogen lamps dimming |
| 04:56.20 | Dagmar | Me, on the other hand, I'm still sitting in my room, playing video games with the stero on |
| 04:56.31 | SqueeG | <3 UPS's |
| 04:56.38 | SqueeG | mine started bitching out on me though |
| 04:56.45 | Dagmar | ...because I just moved from a state that has electrical storms like GOD IS ANGRY WITH YOU about 5-6 times a year |
| 04:56.55 | SqueeG | lol |
| 04:56.58 | SqueeG | where's that? |
| 04:57.05 | Dagmar | Nashville, Tennessee. |
| 04:57.12 | SqueeG | oooo |
| 04:57.17 | SqueeG | didn't that just flood? |
| 04:57.22 | Dagmar | 10,000 strikes is not uncommon for a storm |
| 04:57.24 | SqueeG | or was that memphis |
| 04:57.25 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 04:57.30 | Dagmar | that was us. |
| 04:57.38 | kd3 | lightning storms from hell and floods... sounds like atlanta |
| 04:57.40 | kd3 | sighs |
| 04:57.53 | Dagmar | I could fish off my balcony, which wasn't as funny as I thought it woudl be because it put the local power transformer completely underwater. |
| 04:58.05 | SqueeG | ooo |
| 04:58.08 | SqueeG | no bueno |
| 04:58.18 | SqueeG | no swimming T_T |
| 04:58.20 | Dagmar | I've had the wiring in the wall where my main UPS was plugged in actually slag from a strike |
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| 04:58.57 | SqueeG | holy crap xD |
| 05:00.29 | SqueeG | alrighty, g'night! :D |
| 05:00.30 | the-golem | ooo |
| 05:00.43 | the-golem | deadly! ^^ |
| 05:00.45 | Dagmar | One place where I worked didn't have surge suppressors and UPSes... Lightning struck the light pole that was between them |
| 05:00.53 | Dagmar | It blew out every computer and fax machine. |
| 05:01.03 | Kraps | halo reach y/n |
| 05:01.05 | SqueeG_away | ffs |
| 05:01.21 | the-golem | tbh |
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| 05:01.46 | the-golem | i'm over the halo series. |
| 05:02.11 | the-golem | although the commercials for it look fantabulous |
| 05:02.34 | Kraps | i dont have an xbox |
| 05:05.00 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:11.34 | Jerub | 75-74, labor winnig. |
| 05:11.47 | Jerub | oooone more! |
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| 05:17.00 | Wobin | http://doesaustraliahaveagovernmentyet.com/ |
| 05:17.01 | Wobin | hahahahahahah |
| 05:17.05 | Wobin | Jerub: ^ |
| 05:18.16 | Dagmar | So I guess the guy running the site has high hopes, judging by his email address. |
| 05:19.03 | Wobin | we -all- have high hopes |
| 05:19.15 | Wobin | 'HURRY UP' |
| 05:21.06 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 05:21.16 | Jerub | it now says srsly.. c'mon.. |
| 05:21.22 | Wobin | "And my decision will come... after these messages from our sponsors..." |
| 05:21.57 | Wobin | doesaustralia is honestly the best site of the month =P |
| 05:22.52 | Fisker | you did australia? |
| 05:23.23 | Jerub | Fisker: http://doesaustraliahaveagovernmentyet.com/ |
| 05:24.14 | Fisker | well Jerub |
| 05:24.21 | Fisker | i come from the past to tell you are a jerk |
| 05:31.18 | Jerub | Labor |
| 05:32.00 | sylvanaar | i cant change the font on the chatbubbles anymore in cata |
| 05:33.33 | Fisker | i though australian government disbanded when their leader, Fritzl was caught |
| 05:33.41 | Wobin | Jerub: http://isjuliagillardpm.com/ |
| 05:33.45 | Fisker | serious business right there sylvanaar |
| 05:34.05 | Fisker | thought* |
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| 06:13.58 | Fisker | you there? |
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| 07:33.51 | sylvanaar | anything taht will let me move the world map on beta? |
| 07:34.02 | sylvanaar | or the other frames for that matter |
| 07:34.20 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat140.html |
| 07:34.55 | Cairenn | specifically http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17938-m_MapCataclysm.html and http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17852-MidgetMapCataclysm.html and http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17551-wMmap.html and |
| 07:35.14 | Cairenn | :p |
| 07:35.19 | Fisker | "" doesn't work for me |
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| 07:36.16 | Jerub | i'm getting the feeling from the info about cata that we won't get the situation where people in T6 would wait until they had a few pieces of T8 before upgrading |
| 07:37.26 | mikma | move the worldmap in beta? |
| 07:37.37 | mikma | afaik that feature has been in the game for some time now |
| 07:38.08 | Jerub | mikma: uh, i didn't think so |
| 07:38.30 | mikma | yes, it is there |
| 07:38.39 | Cairenn | make smaller, yes |
| 07:38.43 | Cairenn | move? don't think so |
| 07:38.50 | mikma | just enable it from interface options and then rightclick the map -> lock |
| 07:38.59 | mikma | rightclick the map frame* |
| 07:39.02 | Cairenn | really? |
| 07:39.05 | Cairenn | hmmmm |
| 07:39.08 | mikma | really really |
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| 07:40.39 | Cairenn | bah, how did I miss that? |
| 07:41.01 | mikma | cause its not that simple to find |
| 07:41.17 | mikma | took me some time to find it after i noticed it from patchnotes |
| 07:41.36 | Cairenn | change alpha on it, too |
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| 07:45.39 | Kalroth | slaps the trout around a lot with a large Fisker |
| 07:46.19 | Fisker | ow |
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| 07:56.46 | sylvanaar | m_map lets you move it but you have to edit the lua file |
| 07:57.07 | sylvanaar | hrm |
| 07:58.41 | sylvanaar | mikma: the movable world map is greyed out on beta |
| 07:59.23 | mikma | enabling it in interface wont help? |
| 08:00.27 | Cairenn | sylvanaar: I was able to use it |
| 08:00.30 | Cairenn | just tested it |
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| 08:05.34 | Cairenn | do you have it at the small size? |
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| 08:11.25 | harl | wuff |
| 08:11.30 | Cairenn | purr |
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| 08:17.35 | tem | Is anyone able to invite to Secure Hookers? |
| 08:17.41 | tem | I need to get my worgen in the guild |
| 08:18.25 | tem | kd3, ping? |
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| 08:27.25 | tem | How do you get to the Badlands? |
| 08:27.39 | zenzio | through Loch Modan |
| 08:27.48 | zenzio | or if you're already high level, through Searing Gorge |
| 08:27.48 | tem | Not anymore you don't |
| 08:27.53 | zenzio | oh, on beta? |
| 08:27.54 | tem | there's a hole in the ground. |
| 08:28.29 | tem | yeah, I want to go do the quests there, but damned if I can figure out how to get into the zone |
| 08:28.41 | tem | it's obviously a pre-60 zone, so flight can't be required to get there |
| 08:29.38 | zenzio | hm, wasn't there some path from Redridge or somewhere to Badlands? Or was that some other zone? (I'm not in beta, so I've only heard stuff) |
| 08:32.07 | Wobin | yes? |
| 08:32.18 | Wobin | not badlands |
| 08:32.23 | Wobin | searing gorge maybe |
| 08:32.54 | Wobin | oh not beta |
| 08:32.55 | Wobin | no idea |
| 08:33.17 | tem | I just found a graphic from the blizzcon where they announced cataclysm |
| 08:33.25 | tem | that shows the leveling flow for eastern kingdoms |
| 08:33.36 | tem | it shows a neutral port in eastern plaguelands |
| 08:33.50 | tem | and I see what looks like a port in the badlands |
| 08:33.50 | tem | ' |
| 08:33.54 | tem | I'm going to try that |
| 08:34.26 | zenzio | hm, actually, I think the path thing I was thinking of was to Swamp of Sorrows (from who knows where) |
| 08:34.49 | mitch0 | blasted lands |
| 08:35.06 | tem | It starts in the swap |
| 08:35.07 | zenzio | no, from some zone further north |
| 08:35.12 | tem | and goes past redridge |
| 08:35.16 | tem | and lands you in Burning Stepps |
| 08:35.21 | tem | Steppes*? |
| 08:35.22 | zenzio | oh, I see |
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| 08:35.56 | tem | whoops |
| 08:36.16 | mitch0 | hunt the wumpus! |
| 08:39.18 | tem | hmm |
| 08:39.21 | tem | there's some docks here |
| 08:39.33 | tem | but they're clearly not in use |
| 08:39.45 | tem | oh shit |
| 08:39.48 | tem | there's a dockmaster |
| 08:40.00 | tem | a boatride to the bandlands, please sir |
| 08:40.04 | tem | huzzah! |
| 08:55.24 | Adys | Maldivia: ping |
| 08:58.34 | a-stray-cat | is there an event for "everything's loaded now, go ahead and rummage through your player's skills?" |
| 08:59.27 | tem | PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 08:59.40 | a-stray-cat | cool, thanks |
| 09:00.12 | tem | (which is basically the same as PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD except P_L only fires once where P_E_W happens each time you zone) |
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| 09:01.17 | zenzio | I do it in UNIT_HEALTH 'cause I like to be spceial |
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| 09:01.29 | zenzio | how ironic that I typo "special" |
| 09:05.05 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8c213RxP51qzs75go1_500.jpg Suspicious Otter Is Suspicious |
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| 09:06.03 | Wobin | ahaha http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/6a010535647bf3970b0115709fcf58970c.jpg?w=560&h=419 |
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| 09:33.26 | opr | hello, what's the race returned from UnitRace("player") when they are a night elf? is it Night Elf or NightElf or what? |
| 09:36.24 | unfo- | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitRace |
| 09:38.40 | myrkraverk | also, roll nelf, and /run print( UnitRace( "player" ) ) |
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| 09:48.06 | opr | NightElf it is :) |
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| 09:49.45 | unfo- | opr, race or raceEn?-) |
| 09:49.56 | opr | raceEn |
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| 10:05.48 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 10:20.29 | opr | when my addon loads, how do i make it wait until the default channels have been joined before calling JoinChannelByName |
| 10:20.36 | opr | right now it goes into /1 and i dont want that |
| 10:20.52 | opr | i had it on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
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| 10:36.13 | opr | what event is fired when i join General channel? |
| 10:43.32 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQIjJ5o-ePk |
| 10:43.34 | A-KO | this is awesome |
| 10:44.40 | tlund | opr: one of the CHAT_* |
| 10:44.54 | opr | i can't find it |
| 10:45.37 | opr | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events only one that's close is:CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_JOINFires when another character joins a world or custom chat channel monitored by the player |
| 10:46.32 | A-KO | you could just get something that turns on all events and outputs them |
| 10:47.08 | opr | like what |
| 10:49.42 | opr | lol infinite loop crashed wow :3 |
| 10:50.15 | A-KO | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/RegisterAllEvents |
| 10:50.22 | A-KO | I know there was some debug code out there that someone did..... |
| 10:50.25 | A-KO | can't find it though |
| 10:50.27 | A-KO | it might actually be in wow |
| 10:50.34 | A-KO | you can just turn on and it outputs events as they happen |
| 10:52.32 | opr | i got it |
| 10:52.43 | opr | self:RegisterAllEvents then just print(event); |
| 10:52.51 | A-KO | :P |
| 10:54.57 | opr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.58 | opr | :D |
| 10:57.49 | opr | haha, think i've cracked it! |
| 10:57.57 | opr | time for shower |
| 11:01.00 | industrial | or use devtools |
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| 11:18.09 | jnwhiteh | Anyone good with regular expressions? I need to make a bit of a string optional, but its a sequence of characters |
| 11:18.28 | zenzio | what sort of sequence? |
| 11:18.48 | jnwhiteh | \[[^\[\]]\] |
| 11:18.59 | jnwhiteh | i.e. [ followed by anything other than [] * times followed by ] |
| 11:19.04 | jnwhiteh | \[[^\[\]]*\] |
| 11:19.08 | jnwhiteh | is what I meant |
| 11:19.16 | jnwhiteh | and that whole thing optionally once |
| 11:20.47 | jnwhiteh | It's a regular expression for certain latex constructs, i.e. \(include|input|import){([^{}]*)} |
| 11:21.02 | jnwhiteh | but that doesn't handle cases like \input[scale=1.0]{foo.txt} |
| 11:21.24 | jnwhiteh | I can toss away everything in the [] |
| 11:22.12 | industrial | jnwhiteh: you should try implementing a HTML parser with regular expressions. |
| 11:22.13 | industrial | hides |
| 11:24.18 | jnwhiteh | ah, grouping it with () and ? seems to work, sorry for the noice =) |
| 11:24.20 | jnwhiteh | noise |
| 11:25.35 | bluspacecow | ahh remote citrix connections = cool |
| 11:28.01 | bluspacecow | levelling in Dun Morogh and for some reason jethro thull comes to mind |
| 11:34.17 | Zhinjio | Damnit, I can't remember the name of the addon that lets you resize the worldframe |
| 11:34.23 | Zhinjio | help? |
| 11:35.41 | kaso | WorldFrame:SetPoint(); |
| 11:35.50 | Zhinjio | no, I know |
| 11:35.59 | Zhinjio | I don't mean programmatically |
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| 11:36.19 | Zhinjio | but for UI tweaking, there were a couple addons that made that simple |
| 11:36.39 | Zhinjio | ah, dragviewport |
| 11:36.44 | Zhinjio | thanks! |
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| 11:46.00 | opr | could also have Sunn :p |
| 11:46.09 | unfo- | Sunn art <3 |
| 11:47.02 | myrkraverk | Is there a way to ask wow how many characters it can take in macrotext ? |
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| 11:52.39 | unfo- | odd. the length of macros is not recorded in wowwiki o_O |
| 11:53.54 | `Olorin | is anyone around that could invite me to "Lewd On Demand" guild please |
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| 11:59.23 | Gnamra | Hey guys, I need a bit of help. How do you resize multiple frames at the same time? |
| 11:59.47 | tlund | are all the frames the child of the same parent? |
| 11:59.54 | Gnamra | Yes |
| 11:59.59 | tlund | parent:SetScale(x) |
| 12:00.03 | Gnamra | ooh |
| 12:00.14 | tlund | but that changes the SCALE and not the SIZE. |
| 12:00.20 | tlund | those are two different things. |
| 12:01.30 | Gnamra | hmm. Doesn't seem to work.. |
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| 12:04.27 | Mikk | well what happens then? |
| 12:04.31 | Mikk | does the parent rescale at all? |
| 12:04.45 | Mikk | if yes, do the children also rescale like you expect? no? what happens? |
| 12:06.22 | Gnamra | Nothing happens |
| 12:06.31 | Gnamra | really |
| 12:08.17 | Mikk | then you're not :SetScale()ing the frame you think you are :P |
| 12:08.31 | Mikk | (or possibly set it to the same scale it already was) |
| 12:08.41 | Mikk | 1 = normal |
| 12:08.42 | Mikk | 0.5 = half size |
| 12:08.44 | Mikk | 2 = double size |
| 12:08.59 | Gnamra | Hmm. |
| 12:09.08 | Gnamra | I should prob explained a bit more |
| 12:09.11 | Gnamra | I've got 3 frames. a background frame, a frame that lets me resize the background frame and a frame on top of the background frame. |
| 12:09.56 | Gnamra | since the 3rd frame, the one on top of the background frame doesn't get resized. it looks really ugly when I resize the background frame |
| 12:10.07 | Mikk | define resize |
| 12:10.50 | Mikk | are we talking the "fonts and stuff stay the same size, but i change the width/height" kind of resize? |
| 12:10.56 | Gnamra | Modifying the width and height value of the frame |
| 12:10.59 | Mikk | right ok |
| 12:11.05 | Mikk | then no, there is nothing in WoW that will help you |
| 12:11.09 | Gnamra | Ouch. |
| 12:11.12 | Mikk | you will have to write that code yourself |
| 12:11.34 | Mikk | wait, i take that back slightly |
| 12:11.49 | Mikk | if you define the points of the top frame to be relative to points in the background frame |
| 12:11.52 | Mikk | it will resize along with it |
| 12:12.06 | Mikk | but not necessarily the way you want it to look good |
| 12:12.26 | Mikk | (or maybe it will - i dont know what your frames look like) |
| 12:12.48 | Gnamra | Gimme 2 sec. I'll try that |
| 12:17.45 | Gnamra | Not working. I'm prob doing something wrong |
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| 12:19.27 | bluspacecow | hai loopy |
| 12:19.52 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, bluspacecow! Happy September. |
| 12:24.32 | zenzio | ohai peppy! |
| 12:25.23 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio! |
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| 12:48.29 | myrkraverk | unfo-, according to other macro addon authors it's either 1024 or 1023; I'm not sure they're consistent |
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| 12:49.17 | opr | if i have a FontString called $parentFontString how would i use $parentFontString:SetText() without causing a lua error |
| 12:49.38 | myrkraverk | Macros the size of Texas! Up to 1024 characters in length! |
| 12:49.43 | myrkraverk | from macaroon page |
| 12:49.59 | jnwhiteh | opr: _G[self:GetParent():GetName() .. "FontString"]:SetText() |
| 12:50.07 | zenzio | "I try to enjoy parties, but every time I can't help but feel bad for all those poor Indians who died in 1812 during the Boston Tea Party." |
| 12:50.59 | unfo- | blinks |
| 12:51.03 | unfo- | right. |
| 12:51.09 | zenzio | http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1778944&cid=33495848 |
| 12:51.11 | unfo- | myrkraverk, ok. ty |
| 12:54.34 | opr | jnwhiteh: thanks |
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| 12:54.57 | myrkraverk | Is there a way to define the <Editbox letters="number" somewhere not hard coded in the xml? |
| 12:55.13 | myrkraverk | the number, that is. |
| 12:56.42 | Humbedooh | EditBox:SetMaxLetters() ? |
| 12:57.14 | Humbedooh | EditBox:SetNumeric if you meant the numeric thingy |
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| 12:58.19 | opr | sorry again, lua noob here, how can i do an if( xyz is not null ) then |
| 12:58.37 | Sentri | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.41 | Sentri | is what I use |
| 12:58.45 | jnwhiteh | if xyz ~= nil |
| 12:58.54 | jnwhiteh | but Sentri's will work if xyz can possibly be false |
| 12:58.57 | jnwhiteh | which is not nil, but still 'true' |
| 12:58.58 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 13:00.17 | opr | hehe thanks, never used lua before and this is how far i've gotten just of general programming knowledege http://pastebin.com/QfriejZh |
| 13:00.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | huh |
| 13:01.35 | myrkraverk | Humbedooh, That could work, yes. |
| 13:08.33 | opr | must i have an end after else? |
| 13:08.46 | myrkraverk | yes |
| 13:08.59 | Humbedooh | if you want to close the statement, then yes ;p |
| 13:09.04 | myrkraverk | you don't need the else though |
| 13:09.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | opr did you know about this function http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitFactionGroup |
| 13:09.12 | myrkraverk | unless of course your logic needs i t;) |
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| 13:09.35 | opr | :O |
| 13:09.37 | opr | no |
| 13:09.53 | opr | i just took 2 ends out and now my code works :\ |
| 13:10.08 | opr | sylvanaar_atwork: i got told yesterday to check for race lol! |
| 13:10.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | also, you dont need to know the faction default language |
| 13:11.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | if you pass nil then its filled in for you |
| 13:11.11 | opr | oooh |
| 13:11.13 | opr | thank you |
| 13:11.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | i think you can also use "COMMON" |
| 13:11.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | no |
| 13:11.57 | sylvanaar_atwork | the first thing i said |
| 13:12.14 | opr | nil |
| 13:12.15 | opr | ok :) |
| 13:14.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | event_triggered() is most likely not done correctly if you are calling it from XML |
| 13:16.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | should be event_triggered(this, event, ...) |
| 13:17.04 | foxlit | tbh use bind it using function="" |
| 13:17.08 | foxlit | s/use// |
| 13:17.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | and in the xml event_triggered((self, event, ...) |
| 13:18.05 | opr | what are the ... for? |
| 13:18.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | actually, do you pass event in the xml onevent still? or do you do self, ..., i cant remember |
| 13:19.14 | `Olorin | ... if i remember correctly means any additional args not explicitly specified |
| 13:19.41 | opr | ohh ok |
| 13:20.01 | `Olorin | been 10months since i wrote a line of lua so :) |
| 13:20.08 | opr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:21.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | what are you using for an editor |
| 13:21.17 | opr | :\ wowuidesigner |
| 13:21.19 | Kraps | Gary Oldman And Ed Harris In Call Of Duty: Black Ops |
| 13:21.33 | unfo- | just reading the black ops multiplayer review from FHM online |
| 13:21.39 | unfo- | sounds ace! |
| 13:22.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | opr thats pretty out of date |
| 13:23.14 | opr | hmm |
| 13:23.24 | opr | i am reading that error from within woW by the way |
| 13:23.30 | opr | i fixed it now :) |
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| 13:30.39 | Kraps | http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5i6RLZrrXj-L8yRi8Dex4AXFx2I9w |
| 13:31.00 | foxlit | "sylvanaar_atwork: actually, do you pass event in the xml onevent still? or do you do self, ..., i cant remember" << event is part of the signature |
| 13:31.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | so you do <OnEvent> event_handler(self, event, ...) </OnEvent> |
| 13:32.01 | foxlit | yes. |
| 13:32.10 | foxlit | But, preferably, <OnEvent function="event_handler" /> |
| 13:32.38 | foxlit | (assuming your Lua file loads before the <OnEvent> tag) |
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| 13:44.43 | bluspacecow | \o Ressy |
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| 13:45.18 | Ressy | morning |
| 13:46.26 | Lopeppeppy | Heya |
| 13:46.40 | bluspacecow | "Waidmanns Hell" FTW |
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| 14:01.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | foxlit: does blizzard even use that syntax? i forgot completely about it |
| 14:01.59 | foxlit | sylvanaar_atwork: yes. |
| 14:02.11 | mitch0 | btw, did blizz fix the OpenToCategory thing by any chance? |
| 14:02.14 | foxlit | There are places where they've had to roll it back, but yes, they do. |
| 14:02.46 | foxlit | That's the one when you have too many panels and something doesn't scroll? |
| 14:02.54 | foxlit | Haven't actually ran into that situation :/ |
| 14:03.01 | mitch0 | foxlit: that, yes |
| 14:03.37 | mitch0 | actually, when you have more addons then lines in the Addons panel and you try to open one that's not currently visible |
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| 14:04.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | what |
| 14:05.03 | mitch0 | what what? |
| 14:05.13 | bluspacecow | what what what what ? |
| 14:05.16 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 14:05.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | me being tired and not comprehending things |
| 14:06.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | i withdraw my question |
| 14:06.46 | mitch0 | so are you prepared to answer mine now? :) |
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| 14:06.50 | Lopeppeppy | Holy crap. First day of classes on campus... and everything goes to hell in a handbasket! |
| 14:07.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | your honor i object to this line of questioning |
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| 14:09.41 | Lopeppeppy | Objection dismissed. The witness is directed to answer the counsel's questions. |
| 14:13.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | I take the fifth |
| 14:14.27 | foxlit | mitch0: it doesn't look like there were any changes. |
| 14:14.32 | mitch0 | :( |
| 14:14.54 | foxlit | I'm purely looking at what happened to FrameXML/InterfaceOptionsFrame.lua; perhaps the issue was elsewhere |
| 14:15.04 | mitch0 | btw, is the issue know/reported that icons embedded in fontstrings don't obey parent alpha settings? |
| 14:15.48 | Lopeppeppy | Your honor, I request to call sylvanaar_atwork as a hostile witness for the prosecution. |
| 14:16.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | i move for a mistrial |
| 14:16.25 | foxlit | There's no need for the jury to retire, Lopeppeppy. |
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| 14:17.46 | mikma | lol |
| 14:17.51 | mikma | go cockroaches brains |
| 14:18.05 | mikma | http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/News/pressreleases/2010/September/CockroachAntibiotics.aspx |
| 14:19.25 | Lopeppeppy | sylvanaar_atwork, please state your reason for requesting a mistrial. :) Foxlit, I think the jury is able to reach a verdict without deliberation. |
| 14:20.00 | foxlit | Peppy, the proper response begins with "In all my years of judging..." |
| 14:20.19 | foxlit | And terminates with chants of "TEAR DOWN THE WALL". |
| 14:20.35 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry, I am culturally deficient today, foxlit. |
| 14:20.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | me too |
| 14:21.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | i was quoting Kentucky Fried Movie, how about you |
| 14:21.42 | foxlit | Not the mouse famous part of the album, really. |
| 14:21.48 | foxlit | mouse. most. So close. |
| 14:22.06 | Wobin | pfloyd =P |
| 14:22.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh |
| 14:22.25 | mitch0 | mouse must mist most masts |
| 14:24.00 | mikma | http://www.rareexportsmovie.com/en |
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| 14:25.53 | mitch0 | hrmp |
| 14:27.42 | Wobin | mikma: eh? |
| 14:27.45 | Wobin | I don't quite get it |
| 14:28.52 | mikma | ok, let me try to find out the original clip |
| 14:29.31 | foxlit | Gr, wtb OnUpdate in restricted land :/ |
| 14:29.42 | Wobin | mikma: not sure the original clip will help =P |
| 14:30.37 | Wobin | they, what... dig up Santa Claus and ransom him? |
| 14:30.44 | foxlit | Or some notification when the mouse enters a specific polygon :/ |
| 14:30.46 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0-ASWyNkzQ <- the original clip is from year 2003. it was a 100% joke from those actors (they are quite popular in finland) |
| 14:31.04 | foxlit | "This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community." :( |
| 14:31.07 | mikma | wobin: and now, they have a full length movie coming, with the same name :D |
| 14:31.14 | mikma | foxlit: of course cause it has nekkid santa in it |
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| 14:33.52 | opr | A$B$C is my string, and i perform a, b, c = strsplit("$", splitter, 3) c==C right |
| 14:34.07 | opr | what will c == if C is not present |
| 14:34.14 | opr | nil or " " |
| 14:34.40 | foxlit | presumably nil |
| 14:34.42 | airtonix | nicoli_s, http://code.google.com/p/pyqrnative/ |
| 14:34.49 | mitch0 | I think it's "" |
| 14:34.58 | opr | "" is not same as nil huh? |
| 14:35.09 | mitch0 | oh, ECHAN, nevermind me |
| 14:35.39 | foxlit | strsplit isn't a standard Lua function, so meh. |
| 14:36.27 | airtonix | opr, i think thats the case in most programming languages |
| 14:37.04 | opr | well when i did it with nil it didn't work, with "" it does :P |
| 14:38.05 | Wobin | mikma: haha, awesome |
| 14:38.31 | airtonix | opr, try using pastebin instead of posting puzzles |
| 14:40.35 | mikma | wobin: i thought you might like it :D |
| 14:40.55 | mikma | notice the part 2 etc ;) |
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| 14:43.57 | mikma | wobin: 04:44 in part two ;D |
| 14:48.51 | foxlit | University of Oslo: NoImaginationException |
| 14:49.07 | foxlit | Also, Lund University: AL GORE RHYTHMS |
| 14:49.18 | foxlit | NCPC team names are always fun. |
| 14:50.53 | Wobin | mikma: I like the wirework =) |
| 14:53.42 | zenzelezz | NCPC? |
| 14:54.24 | foxlit | not immediately googleable, that one. googlable? |
| 14:54.30 | foxlit | googlible? |
| 14:54.40 | foxlit | http://ncpc.idi.ntnu.no/ |
| 14:55.17 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 14:56.58 | Fisker | i like you foxlit |
| 14:59.47 | Fisker | but you hate me |
| 14:59.47 | Fisker | jerk |
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| 15:00.29 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 15:00.48 | Fisker | i'm going to disagree |
| 15:01.28 | Wobin | mikma: haha Prayer Exports |
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| 15:05.10 | Wobin | mikma: ps, it's not the same kid, is it? |
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| 15:07.21 | Wobin | cog|away: Failarailadingdong? >< |
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| 15:21.12 | Wobin | hahah http://www.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/expendables_movie_poster_body_count_01.jpg |
| 15:21.37 | kneeki | wow! |
| 15:21.46 | Wobin | who would have thought Ludgren beat the lot of them? |
| 15:26.21 | krka | foxlit: i was #12 here :) http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~db/nm-i-programmering/nm2003/Nordisk2003.html |
| 15:26.56 | krka | (#1 and #4 work at spotify now) |
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| 15:28.40 | foxlit | still didn't get his GCJ t-shirt |
| 15:28.45 | foxlit | :( |
| 15:39.19 | mikma | wobin: in the clips and the movie? don't knwo |
| 15:39.46 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72gVUIPoR9o |
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| 15:44.11 | `Olorin | Have guild banks not yet been implemented in cataclysm? |
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| 15:50.37 | foxlit | Banelings should clearly be higher-priority targets :/ |
| 15:50.44 | foxlit | And yet they are not. |
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| 15:56.59 | Shirik | banelings have no threat |
| 15:57.02 | Shirik | :) |
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| 15:57.40 | Lunessa | station |
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| 16:04.11 | Cidwel | hi all |
| 16:04.15 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. Classes started there yet? |
| 16:04.39 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Yes, classes started in August. |
| 16:04.57 | Lopeppeppy | Our underclassmen started today. Ugh. Scary times. |
| 16:05.12 | zenzelezz | hey Shirik, you're into Star Trek... if a civilisation is advanced enough to create Alcubierre drives and do teleportation, why can't androids like Data use contractions like "can't"? |
| 16:05.16 | Shirik | I say yes |
| 16:05.22 | Shirik | wrong channel |
| 16:05.41 | Shirik | zenzelezz: It's not that they can't |
| 16:05.43 | Lunessa | See, we're an "upper level" university. One of very few left. We don't take freshmen. |
| 16:05.44 | Shirik | It's that they don't want to |
| 16:05.50 | Shirik | it's informal |
| 16:05.50 | zenzelezz | why not? |
| 16:06.21 | Lopeppeppy | To appear more human, they use common human word-choices. |
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| 16:09.22 | alestane | Lor sets that up as one of the contrasts between him and Data in the episode where he's introduced. |
| 16:11.16 | Shirik | also |
| 16:11.21 | Shirik | as a completely random but awesome sidenote |
| 16:11.30 | Shirik | For my final project I'm doing some natural language processing |
| 16:12.07 | Shirik | It'll be just like Data |
| 16:12.16 | Shirik | you ask it a question about the school, verbally, and it responds, verbally |
| 16:12.25 | Shirik | and imho it's going to fail epically |
| 16:12.48 | `Olorin | such high expectations you do have Shirik |
| 16:12.57 | Wobin | I'm glad you're thinking positively =) |
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| 16:14.49 | opr | does PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD get fired when coming out of an instance? |
| 16:16.21 | `Olorin | I think it varies, had an issue with my addon that uses that trigger and ended up using "ZONE_CHANGED_NEW_AREA" |
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| 16:18.49 | Ackis | slaps Shirik around with a verbal response. |
| 16:19.34 | Ackis | I had a job interview today |
| 16:19.37 | Ackis | ~Lopeppeppy++ |
| 16:19.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, how did it go, Ackis? |
| 16:19.58 | Ackis | not sure |
| 16:20.38 | Ackis | I think it went well until I said "You want to make sure you like getting up to go to your job" and they responded with "DO you feel like you don't want to go to your job now?" and I'm like "A year ago I would have said yes" and they're like "Why?" |
| 16:20.46 | Ackis | HR said I couldn't talk aboot why |
| 16:21.14 | Wobin | about your current job? |
| 16:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. *hug* |
| 16:21.31 | Ackis | ty |
| 16:21.41 | Ackis | and some of the fluff questions I had issues with |
| 16:21.46 | Lopeppeppy | You can certainly say that "personnel changes led to work environment changes, and it's not the job I want to be at anymore" |
| 16:21.47 | Ackis | I'm not impressed with myself overall |
| 16:21.52 | Lunessa | Ackis: Dude, sucks. There are some times you just have to smile and nod during interviews. |
| 16:22.01 | Ackis | ironically enough, last time I thought that I got the job |
| 16:22.11 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 16:22.18 | Ackis | so we'll see in a couple weeks |
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| 16:22.48 | Wobin | good luck! |
| 16:23.31 | Adys | So |
| 16:23.34 | Kalroth_ | Ackis: You should have had a pocket Fisker around. If you had sent him in first, then you would totally get the job! |
| 16:23.37 | Ackis | thanks |
| 16:23.42 | Ackis | http://www.chr.alberta.ca/Practitioners/?file=agreements/subsid2/schb-current&cf=326319#70 <-- pay scale |
| 16:24.17 | Adys | Im thinking of integrating my authenticator into a keyboard shortcut. On a specific keyboard shortcut, it would call a python script, which would copy my current auth code to the clipboard |
| 16:24.23 | Adys | and paste it |
| 16:24.38 | Adys | anyone has any idea how to do that in kde? |
| 16:25.24 | Xinhuan | ok this is weird |
| 16:25.54 | Xinhuan | today, about 11 hours ago, apparently my gmail account was used to spam "Worldofwarcraft Account login" emails |
| 16:26.06 | Adys | Xinhuan: check auth log |
| 16:26.09 | Xinhuan | but now that i've retrieved the locked account, the login logs show that |
| 16:26.14 | Xinhuan | no IP addresses apart from mine |
| 16:26.21 | Xinhuan | have accessed it in the last 7 days |
| 16:26.32 | Adys | does it show any remote access through your ip? |
| 16:26.36 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 16:26.42 | Xinhuan | at the time of the email spam about 11 hours ago, i was not at home and my PC is off |
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| 16:26.57 | Adys | try asking google? |
| 16:27.00 | foxlit | Xinhuan: in other news, From: headers are totally reliable. |
| 16:27.13 | Xinhuan | whatcha mean |
| 16:27.48 | Xinhuan | my "sent mail" folder now basically has about 100+ emails sent to random ppl to phish |
| 16:28.13 | foxlit | okay, then my quip wasn't applicable |
| 16:28.14 | Ackis | what version of wow is on the beta? 4.0 4.01? |
| 16:28.21 | Lunessa | Xinhuan: If only you were a dastardly bastard. |
| 16:28.23 | foxlit | 4.0.1 |
| 16:28.25 | Adys | 4.0.1 |
| 16:28.29 | Fisker | 4.0.1 |
| 16:28.57 | Xinhuan | so if there was no external access logged from an external IP address... |
| 16:29.06 | Ackis | ok I htink it's 4.0.1 |
| 16:29.08 | Kalroth_ | hi Sherlock! |
| 16:29.17 | Adys | Hi Hemlock |
| 16:29.23 | foxlit | Then the spammer is... you? In the library? With the pickaxe? |
| 16:29.33 | Kalroth_ | Xinhuan IS the butler!! |
| 16:29.44 | Adys | Xinhuan: as i said try asking google |
| 16:30.04 | Ackis | thanks foxlit and Adys |
| 16:30.11 | Adys | what about me? |
| 16:30.22 | Xinhuan | google doesn't offer any support for gmail |
| 16:30.24 | Xinhuan | no point asking |
| 16:31.08 | Adys | could it have been on a device still on? |
| 16:31.19 | Adys | like a phone or whatever |
| 16:31.25 | Ackis | for answering my question Adys |
| 16:31.28 | Xinhuan | the only device that has my gmail password would be my phone which is on me |
| 16:31.38 | Adys | gmail logs the login times but not the logout times |
| 16:31.43 | foxlit | check the mailed-by thing in sent? |
| 16:32.05 | Xinhuan | huh foxlit? |
| 16:32.15 | foxlit | Though that seems to be static |
| 16:32.22 | foxlit | Xinhuan: headers on your outgoing messages |
| 16:32.52 | Adys | Xinhuan: doublecheck your phone tbh |
| 16:33.07 | Xinhuan | the possibility exists though that the account was hacked weeks ago and the hacker kept the account logged in since then |
| 16:33.23 | foxlit | No. |
| 16:33.27 | foxlit | That'd still show up in activity |
| 16:33.31 | Adys | yeah |
| 16:34.07 | Xinhuan | it only shows the last 5 ip address logged in from |
| 16:34.12 | Adys | hmmm |
| 16:34.17 | Adys | can you check google labs? |
| 16:34.18 | Xinhuan | which in this case, all original from my area |
| 16:34.20 | Adys | enabled features |
| 16:34.45 | Xinhuan | here's an example header of an email i spammed |
| 16:34.45 | Xinhuan | http://www.pastey.net/140449 |
| 16:35.44 | Kalroth_ | and 211.189.141.181 is you? |
| 16:36.28 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 16:36.34 | Xinhuan | that ip appears to be a korean UP |
| 16:36.35 | Xinhuan | IP |
| 16:36.47 | Adys | that should really show in the logs |
| 16:36.50 | Kalroth_ | Yeah, that's the sender |
| 16:37.09 | Kalroth_ | So it's someone that figured your login out, he didn't hack/trojan your computer |
| 16:37.37 | Adys | yeah most likely |
| 16:37.42 | Xinhuan | here's what the log says |
| 16:37.42 | Adys | still, do a full scan |
| 16:37.43 | Xinhuan | http://www.pastey.net/140450 |
| 16:38.13 | Ressy | I think Operation: Gnomeregan starts today... |
| 16:38.23 | Adys | no it doesnt |
| 16:38.25 | Ressy | Datth just mentioned something in TS about a gnome being happy starting today? |
| 16:38.27 | Xinhuan | the last login was "13 hours ago" which is when i shut off my PC |
| 16:38.27 | Kalroth_ | Xinhuan: that is the gmail access log? |
| 16:38.38 | Xinhuan | yeah that's the gmail activity log |
| 16:38.47 | Xinhuan | it only records logins |
| 16:39.20 | Kalroth_ | Then he probably found a way to send an email from gmail with another users email |
| 16:39.34 | Kalroth_ | because the header clearly shows the IP isn't yours |
| 16:39.40 | Xinhuan | its weird |
| 16:40.04 | Xinhuan | for an email i did send |
| 16:40.07 | Xinhuan | the header looks like this |
| 16:40.10 | Xinhuan | Return-Path: <xinhuan@gmail.com> |
| 16:40.11 | Xinhuan | Received: from [192.168.1.66] (bb119-74-159-231.singnet.com.sg [119.74.159.231]) |
| 16:40.11 | Xinhuan | by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm4144659wad.18.2010.09.03.10.25.43 |
| 16:40.17 | Xinhuan | so that's definitely me |
| 16:40.20 | Kalroth_ | yup |
| 16:40.54 | Xinhuan | so gmail was smart enough to detect "unusual activity" after 2 hours and lock my account |
| 16:41.11 | Kalroth_ | 211.189.141.181 with ESMTPS id v6sm4578601ybm.23.2010.09.06.22.25.24 is the spammer |
| 16:41.25 | Xinhuan | unlocking it was somewhat trivial, just had to request a OTP to be sent to my phone |
| 16:42.25 | Xinhuan | the 119.74 address are basically from my PC, the 119.234 are from my iphone |
| 16:42.30 | Kalroth_ | yup |
| 16:42.58 | Xinhuan | hmmmmm i wonder how many things my gmail is linked to |
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| 16:47.42 | Legorol | Howdy folks. I heard rumours that Cataclysm was pushed back to 2011, possibly January. Does anyone know anything about this, or the contrary? |
| 16:47.48 | Legorol | I realise there's no official release date yet |
| 16:49.05 | malreth | wouldn't surprise me. burning crusade was released after the christmas holiday season |
| 16:49.28 | Xinhuan | hmm aug 24, i have a sent mail to qq.com with one word "greetings" and i don't think i did that |
| 16:52.04 | `Olorin | From what ive seen it needs a fair bit more work so wouldnt be supprised either especially if they are still working on content which is going to need testing also |
| 16:56.05 | Shirik | is reading the official UML specification |
| 16:56.08 | Shirik | cries |
| 16:56.22 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:56.33 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:56.40 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:56.56 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Shirik |
| 16:56.56 | purl | There, there, Shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:57.05 | Fisker | gentlemen |
| 16:57.12 | mikma | how can warrior cast a dalaran portal? :D |
| 16:58.19 | Fisker | shadowmourne quest item |
| 16:58.39 | Fisker | http://www.wowhead.com/item=52251 |
| 16:58.58 | mikma | neat |
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| 17:00.17 | Ackis | there's a mount you get |
| 17:01.19 | `Olorin | Are they planning to do away with ammo permenantly or just a temporary thing? |
| 17:01.46 | Fisker | permanently |
| 17:02.02 | Shirik | Footnote 3, page 34 |
| 17:02.05 | Shirik | In order to understand the description of the UML semantics, you must understand some UML semantics. |
| 17:02.28 | Lopeppeppy | Circular logic breaks my brain |
| 17:02.33 | Fisker | car analogy please |
| 17:02.44 | `Olorin | sometimes I worry WoW is just gonna be dumbed down to the poiint where I put my brain in a pickle jar when I sit down |
| 17:03.47 | `Olorin | not far off that now truth be told... ah well addons are fun to fiddle with |
| 17:03.55 | Lopeppeppy | Addons are fun stuff. |
| 17:04.26 | Ackis | mmmm pickled brains |
| 17:05.17 | `Olorin | Ackis hope your not hungry cause there isnt much more than a mothful.....yuk |
| 17:06.12 | Ackis | zing |
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| 17:07.09 | Cide | http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4216/emotiiaca4el.gif |
| 17:07.33 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:07.34 | Fisker | i came |
| 17:07.36 | Fisker | imma getting my hat |
| 17:07.43 | Fisker | win Cide |
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| 17:10.12 | `Olorin | not having much luck today, I try to get guild invite to test an addon and i get the reply write in Russian.... ah well |
| 17:13.51 | mikma | hah |
| 17:14.03 | mikma | i got "CHANNEL_INTERNAL_ERROR" with yellow text |
| 17:16.03 | Ackis | "We've got a very solid source saying the initial Cataclysm world events are starting today. Gnomer and Echo Isles" |
| 17:17.01 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:17.07 | Fisker | i will stop you |
| 17:17.59 | Ackis | no |
| 17:18.11 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:18.12 | Shirik | mikma |
| 17:18.14 | Shirik | stop cheating |
| 17:19.50 | Ackis | I'm cheating? |
| 17:19.51 | Ackis | :( |
| 17:19.55 | Shirik | Are you mikma? |
| 17:20.28 | TC-Work | ~cackle |
| 17:20.28 | purl | ACTION cackles |
| 17:20.43 | TC-Work | i cant remember, does blizz allow vid cameras into blizzcon? |
| 17:21.00 | Shirik | too bad |
| 17:21.10 | Shirik | mine's a digital camera |
| 17:21.11 | Shirik | not a video camera |
| 17:21.18 | TC-Work | but it has that capablility |
| 17:21.21 | TC-Work | thats my point |
| 17:21.33 | TC-Work | hell, it's been used to make commercials and tv ep's |
| 17:21.46 | Ackis | TC-Work: they aren't going to block out cell phones/cameras because they have that capability |
| 17:21.59 | Ackis | if you get caught recording then it's a different story IMO |
| 17:22.08 | TC-Work | but they do disallow camcorders? |
| 17:23.11 | TC-Work | todays google image is awesome |
| 17:23.37 | Fisker | obviously they don't TC-Work |
| 17:26.21 | Dagmar | I'm with TC-Work on this one |
| 17:27.29 | TC-Work | oh, there we go "Can I bring my video camera/camcorder into BlizzCon? Video cameras are permitted for use in the BlizzCon exhibit halls." |
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| 17:29.48 | Lopeppeppy | Exhibit halls... not necessarily everywhere though. |
| 17:40.45 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.51 | foxlit | The IT Crowd scene comes to mind |
| 17:41.04 | foxlit | "This box, ladies and gentlemen, is the Internet." |
| 17:41.26 | Dagmar | I like this plan |
| 17:41.50 | Adys | Vashjir is very amazing |
| 17:41.55 | Adys | I have to go back on my initial word |
| 17:41.58 | Ressy | Ackis: I told you guys about the world event stuff starting today over an hour ago.. :P |
| 17:42.03 | Adys | but the original area is so omg-boring |
| 17:43.28 | Ackis | Ressy: I was in an interview |
| 17:43.34 | Ressy | ah |
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| 17:44.26 | Adys | in fact |
| 17:44.35 | Adys | vashjir really makes me feel like im playing a rpg |
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| 17:47.44 | TC-Work | Ressy: the gonergon thing is starting tofay? |
| 17:47.50 | Ressy | yeah |
| 17:47.55 | TC-Work | ah, thanks |
| 17:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, neat. |
| 17:48.19 | Ressy | Datth hinted at it a few hrs ago.. |
| 17:48.24 | Ressy | wow.com has confirmed it too. |
| 17:49.08 | Dagmar | YAY! |
| 17:49.20 | Dagmar | Is it really time to get the Gnomes Off Our Couch? |
| 17:49.39 | TC-Work | G.O.O.C. doesnt have that much of a ring to it |
| 17:49.52 | Dagmar | That's because you're not a dwarf. |
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| 17:50.15 | TC-Work | or an imbecile |
| 17:54.17 | Cide | wow.com confirmed it_ |
| 17:54.18 | Cide | ? |
| 17:54.21 | Cide | blast, I was hoping to do it today |
| 17:54.24 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:54.35 | Cide | it's a car analogy |
| 17:54.52 | TC-Work | it's also a sex analogy |
| 17:55.01 | Cide | ^ |
| 17:55.06 | Fisker | so when are you coming Cide? |
| 17:55.25 | Cide | when duke nukem forever arrives |
| 17:58.32 | ParnicWork | so next year? |
| 18:00.55 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, i'm going to really miss making jokes about DNF :( |
| 18:01.22 | TC-Work | NightHawkTheSane: not if it turns out to be bad |
| 18:01.48 | NightHawkTheSane | TC-Work: it'll still be released, though. a released bad game is not terribly interesting :P |
| 18:02.09 | Fisker | how do you know it's bad? |
| 18:04.30 | Ackis | Ressy: what do you need to do for those events? |
| 18:05.14 | Ressy | Not a clue. lol |
| 18:06.00 | Ressy | Only thing I play right now is Beta. And I barely play that. My 11 month old keeps me running. |
| 18:06.33 | Ackis | give your 11 month old a knife to play with in the middle of traffic, and log in... sheesh! :P |
| 18:07.02 | Lunessa | Ackis: Nah, given the kid you cat. |
| 18:07.09 | Lunessa | Then you can suffer too. |
| 18:08.11 | Ackis | :( |
| 18:10.15 | Ackis | wow I missed this being added to the game: http://cata.wowhead.com/item=51809 |
| 18:10.35 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:11.19 | Kaso | I'm fully holed out |
| 18:11.23 | Kaso | well not my bank |
| 18:11.24 | Kaso | but yeah |
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| 18:12.20 | Ackis | was there an achievement for getting one of them Kaso? |
| 18:12.57 | Kaso | i think theres only and achievement for the gigantic one |
| 18:13.18 | Ackis | yeah I grabbed that |
| 18:13.49 | Ackis | I had so much gold in BC yet I'm lacking it in wrath |
| 18:14.39 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:14.41 | Fisker | slaps Kaso around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:21.19 | Fisker | i am awesome Ackis |
| 18:24.03 | opr | Hey, is anyone available to help me fix a bug in my addon? :) |
| 18:25.04 | opr | http://pastebin.com/3gZHi6Xz is the source |
| 18:26.28 | opr | standby |
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| 18:31.51 | ParnicWork | if you guys want to try out DNF, you could always fill out a tester application at gearbox. :) |
| 18:32.10 | Pneumatus | more like DNN amirite |
| 18:32.23 | ParnicWork | haha |
| 18:32.56 | Lunessa | Ackis: Old School D&D homage for the win. |
| 18:33.16 | Pneumatus | what engine to 2k generally use? unreal? |
| 18:33.28 | Fisker | just like Starcraft 2: Never amirite Pneumatus ? |
| 18:33.34 | ParnicWork | it's not a 2k game :P but yes, it's a barely-recognizable version of UE2 |
| 18:33.45 | Fisker | UE2.5 |
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| 18:34.08 | Pneumatus | well, 2k own the IP dont they? |
| 18:34.17 | ParnicWork | no, Gearbox does. |
| 18:34.18 | Fisker | Gearbox does |
| 18:34.38 | Fisker | (hopefully) |
| 18:34.43 | ParnicWork | yes, we actually do :) |
| 18:35.05 | Fisker | name and rank |
| 18:35.08 | Fisker | and serial |
| 18:36.08 | ParnicWork | http://kotaku.com/5630726/gearbox-software-now-owns-duke-nukems-future <== we own the IP |
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| 18:36.42 | Pneumatus | you work for Gearbox, ParnicWork? |
| 18:36.42 | Fisker | name, rank and serial |
| 18:36.43 | ParnicWork | aye |
| 18:36.57 | ParnicWork | what do you mean fisker? |
| 18:37.07 | Pneumatus | ParnicWork: less chatting, more coding DNF! |
| 18:37.22 | Fisker | somewhere along the lines of "prove it" |
| 18:37.41 | ParnicWork | well let's see...you can email me and i'll answer it if you want :) |
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| 18:37.54 | ParnicWork | or you can see my wowace.com profile's logo on my gamertag which is linked to our profile page |
| 18:37.58 | Fisker | anyway was just making the point that currently there's no evidence of the IP changing the owners, so the press saying it was Gearbox who owned it could just be a legitimate mistake |
| 18:38.12 | Fisker | anyway since you work for Gearbox, etc. i guess there's no point in making that argument :P |
| 18:38.25 | Ackis | Lunessa: was that old school D&D or the fact she's a slut and has a big vagoo? |
| 18:38.35 | ParnicWork | heh, our company owner confirmed it at PAX |
| 18:38.42 | Pneumatus | wikip said Gearbox anounced it at PAX |
| 18:38.54 | Lunessa | Ackis: Portable Hole was a magic item in D&D you perv. |
| 18:38.57 | Pneumatus | so it must be true |
| 18:39.04 | Fisker | Well the same guy also got his name in a fictional poker game |
| 18:39.05 | Fisker | ;) |
| 18:39.19 | ParnicWork | yeah...he does that sometimes |
| 18:39.22 | Pneumatus | and http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/press/duke-nukem-franchise-transferred-to-gearbox-software/ looks pretty official |
| 18:39.24 | ParnicWork | i'm impressed you know so much about it, though :P |
| 18:39.31 | Fisker | anyway so 3DR just got bought out or what? |
| 18:39.32 | malreth | never put a portable hole inside a bag of holding. very bad. |
| 18:39.40 | Fisker | or were they forced? |
| 18:39.49 | ParnicWork | 3dr disbanded. they sold the IP to us so that the game could get finished |
| 18:39.51 | Fisker | ah |
| 18:39.57 | Fisker | "cooperatively deal" |
| 18:39.58 | Pneumatus | you know what DNF needs |
| 18:40.00 | Pneumatus | claptraps. |
| 18:40.08 | Fisker | They didn't disband ParnicWork they just lost the developement staff :P |
| 18:40.12 | ParnicWork | fully in favor of that |
| 18:40.21 | Fisker | The same reason why i've been said for the last ~1½ year that DNF was still in developement |
| 18:41.29 | Fisker | Anyway word on the street was that the 2K/3DR fund extension was basically a done deal |
| 18:41.41 | Pneumatus | smrt move anyway, there must be piles of people like me that will buy it even if its shit |
| 18:41.50 | ParnicWork | hopefully |
| 18:41.54 | Fisker | then 2K withdrew in the last moment, possibly to forcibly gain the Duke Nukem franchise |
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| 18:42.03 | Fisker | just need steamworks Pneumatus |
| 18:42.14 | ParnicWork | hey you never know, it may be getting steamworks |
| 18:42.18 | Fisker | gamespy this time , nothankyou.jpg |
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| 18:42.33 | Pneumatus | also: achievements |
| 18:42.46 | Fisker | achievements = GFWL or Steamworks :P |
| 18:42.48 | ParnicWork | well, if it has steamworks, i think achievements are a given |
| 18:42.56 | amro | since when are achievements+steamworks the mark of a good game? |
| 18:43.12 | zenzelezz | "Playing modern MMO's at end game always reminds me of dance dance revolution for some reason, stand here, push these buttons in this order, when this happens stand over there and push other buttons. |
| 18:43.22 | amro | and please, don't mention GFWL |
| 18:43.23 | Fisker | noone said it was amro |
| 18:43.27 | ParnicWork | amro: since achievements started to equal epeen |
| 18:43.44 | Fisker | But Steamworks is by far the best backend tool for matchmaking, etc. |
| 18:43.50 | amro | since when is that the case? they're pretty much all exploirable |
| 18:43.58 | ParnicWork | amro: i was being sarcastic |
| 18:44.03 | Fisker | (Impulse can fuck off since they can't even sell their own game, etc) |
| 18:44.07 | Pneumatus | and steam is by far the best platform for buying KNOCK DOWN PRICE games with fat 80% discounts |
| 18:45.07 | amro | yeah like 10 years after release :P |
| 18:46.02 | zenzelezz | good games stay good |
| 18:46.04 | Fisker | That's the case with any digital distribution site that lets the publisher set the price |
| 18:46.49 | zenzelezz | I was disappointed by Mafia II. Didn't find it bad, but it didn't feel as fun as the first one |
| 18:46.57 | amro | zenzelezz: they do, which is why gog is awesome and offers enormously better deals |
| 18:47.40 | Fisker | Mafia 2 was a limited, A->B shooter |
| 18:48.06 | Fisker | It's like GTA3, except you only got one island, and you got less missions and the game ends |
| 18:49.13 | Fisker | geddit? |
| 18:49.46 | amro | I don't buy $60 games unless there are special circumstances |
| 18:50.10 | Fisker | $60? |
| 18:50.27 | amro | or $50, don't recall the price for mafia 2 |
| 18:50.45 | amro | if I buy a game like that I just know I won't play it long enough |
| 18:50.56 | Fisker | i'm a sucker for games |
| 18:51.14 | amro | I see recettear is on steam, which is awesome |
| 18:52.07 | Fisker | i bought because i could |
| 18:52.26 | Fisker | +it |
| 18:52.45 | amro | go back and this time buy it because it's awesome |
| 18:52.54 | Fisker | http://steamcommunity.com/id/Fisker/games?tab=all |
| 18:53.37 | ParnicWork | wow dude |
| 18:53.54 | ParnicWork | that's a lot of games with 0.1 hours on record |
| 18:54.32 | Fisker | yeah quite a few of them is from before they started tracking play time |
| 18:54.47 | Fisker | that and there are of course a lot of shitty pack games i don't play :P |
| 18:55.01 | Ackis | http://steamcommunity.com/id/Ackis/games?tab=all > Fisker |
| 18:55.21 | Fisker | Some games i've even gotten just because i had them physically |
| 18:55.34 | olafski | http://apina.nwpshost.com/full/33957.jpg badabim badabum |
| 18:55.42 | Fisker | 385 > 214 |
| 18:55.50 | Mikk | me > fisker |
| 18:55.58 | olafski | x > x-1 |
| 18:56.51 | olafski | http://steamcommunity.com/id/Olafski/games?tab=all whee |
| 18:58.25 | Fisker | olafski |
| 18:58.26 | Ackis | olafski: your list is short |
| 18:58.26 | olafski | zenzelezz: awesome, I was just playing guitar hero and was thinking "this is just like a wow rotation.. the icons come closer and you have to press the button on time to win" |
| 18:58.34 | Fisker | i would say that he's wrong about the display part though |
| 18:58.36 | olafski | ackis: I don't have to compensate |
| 18:58.39 | olafski | fisker: yes agreed |
| 18:58.40 | amro | http://steamcommunity.com/id/amro/games?tab=all no crappy games |
| 18:58.46 | olafski | 24 -> 30" really IS twice as expensive ;p |
| 18:58.57 | olafski | and I bet those displays are quite high quality |
| 18:59.06 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 18:59.16 | Mikk | ok fine, buy mac branded monitors for all i care :P |
| 18:59.17 | olafski | I have a 24" dell, which was about the same as the apple 24" when I bought it |
| 18:59.22 | olafski | great quality |
| 18:59.22 | Mikk | still leaves THE ENTIRE PC :P |
| 18:59.22 | Fisker | They're infact the only 16:10 LED Backlit display i can find on the market currently |
| 18:59.31 | Fisker | but the rest is bullshit |
| 18:59.39 | olafski | quite :P |
| 18:59.55 | Fisker | oh and i wouldn't be surprised when the other vendors catch on that you'll get a similar display for less than half the price |
| 19:00.00 | Fisker | heck Samsung is coming out with one soon |
| 19:00.12 | Fisker | though that's 16:9 unfortunately |
| 19:00.15 | Fisker | but includes a tv tuner |
| 19:00.21 | Alram | always bet on fisker |
| 19:00.28 | olafski | I've learned my lesson with the cheap monitors though |
| 19:00.46 | olafski | got a 24" for 170 euro and the colors are horrible |
| 19:00.55 | ParnicWork | i've been really confused by the lack of 16:10 monitors too. "1080p" is too much of a buzzword right now |
| 19:00.55 | olafski | and I don't even care about quality that much |
| 19:01.01 | Fisker | My Samsung T240 has treated me well |
| 19:01.15 | foxlit | wtb imac |
| 19:01.17 | foxlit | as a monitor. |
| 19:02.36 | Dagmar | ParnicWork: That's mainly because 1080 video will display perfectly on 16:9 (1920x1080) and text usage is close enough that most people aren't going to care |
| 19:04.00 | Lunessa | lol 1080p - such a stupid marketing point. |
| 19:04.40 | Dagmar | ParnicWork: The converse at 16:10 lets you have _exactly_ two 8.5x11 preview pages up, but that's really not all that damn useful, since most everything is going to put borders on both those images anyway. Better to have the margins available for GUI stuff |
| 19:05.11 | `Olorin | I got a HP ZR24w for my dad about 4 months ago and its a really nice stable picture with good colour definition |
| 19:05.13 | ParnicWork | i'd just rather get more pixels for my dollars :P |
| 19:05.35 | Dagmar | I'm sitting here with one of each |
| 19:06.11 | Dagmar | 16:10 is going to leave you with black bars for most video, which actually is mildly irksome |
| 19:06.29 | olafski | parnicwork: aren't the 16:9 ones generally cheaper though? |
| 19:06.48 | ParnicWork | most movies are way narrower than 16:9, i've found. anamorphic widescreen is very popular |
| 19:06.53 | Dagmar | They get to share production costs with LCD televisions, since they're using the same panels |
| 19:06.56 | olafski | I have one of each too, considering they're both 24" you'd technically get a slightly "bigger" video on the 16:9 one |
| 19:06.58 | ParnicWork | olafski: perhaps. it's been a while since i've price-shopped |
| 19:06.59 | `Olorin | cheaper yes but the difference is noticable if you like putting two documents / web pages side by side |
| 19:07.18 | olafski | I never do that.. fullscreen at all times ;) |
| 19:07.21 | ParnicWork | olafski: bigger, but less vertical working space |
| 19:07.22 | olafski | well, maximized anyway |
| 19:07.31 | olafski | parnicwork: I was talking about videos wasn't I :P |
| 19:07.48 | ParnicWork | sure but that's just silly :P. who uses a computer monitor primarily for video? |
| 19:07.59 | Dagmar | ParnicWork: Thirty pixels |
| 19:08.00 | olafski | quite a few people do I imagine |
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| 19:08.25 | Dagmar | Two preview pages still works more than well enough on 16:9 |
| 19:08.28 | olafski | many people have two screens it seems.. could easily use one just for videos |
| 19:08.53 | olafski | I used to use my second screen for watching shows while playing games on the main screen |
| 19:11.38 | foxlit | wru, mini-display port graphics cards? |
| 19:13.43 | Fisker | ati foxlit |
| 19:13.45 | Fisker | but DP sucks |
| 19:14.10 | olafski | my laptop has only DP and vga :( |
| 19:17.33 | foxlit | DP can presumably be routed to DVI |
| 19:17.59 | Arrowmaster | it can |
| 19:18.16 | Fisker | btw lol ParnicWork |
| 19:18.22 | Fisker | are you the blond guy? |
| 19:21.12 | ParnicWork | no :P |
| 19:21.16 | ParnicWork | i wasn't at pax |
| 19:21.18 | Fisker | naaaaaaame |
| 19:21.27 | Fisker | http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/talent/ <-i'm talking about this |
| 19:21.46 | ParnicWork | oh, no. they just stuck my gamertag next to a picture of someone else |
| 19:21.52 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:21.55 | Fisker | name though |
| 19:22.00 | Fisker | also your writers lol |
| 19:22.10 | Fisker | http://www.gearboxity.com/component/option,com_talent/talent,256/Itemid,45/ <-lulz |
| 19:22.18 | ParnicWork | http://www.gearboxity.com/component/option,com_talent/talent,33/Itemid,45/ |
| 19:22.22 | Ackis | who was going to get me a noble 6 helmet from pax? :D |
| 19:22.40 | olafski | me |
| 19:22.45 | olafski | I forgot, sorry :( |
| 19:22.46 | Fisker | oh my SiN! |
| 19:22.54 | ParnicWork | oh your sin |
| 19:22.55 | Fisker | it's a shame you got owned though |
| 19:23.09 | Ackis | grrr olafski |
| 19:23.15 | Fisker | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/pax-10-hawp/703824 <-this is the kind of your guys write |
| 19:23.16 | Ackis | adds olafski to Trueachievements.com |
| 19:23.37 | olafski | spits on achievements :-) |
| 19:24.03 | Fisker | i owned people btw Ackis |
| 19:24.21 | Fisker | some microsoft guy was like "WP6 was an enterprise product not a consumer product like WP7" |
| 19:24.28 | Fisker | "Yeah i hated WP6 as a work phone too" |
| 19:24.29 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:24.47 | Ackis | swallows. |
| 19:25.27 | Fisker | did you see the shit gearbox writers write Ackis ? |
| 19:25.49 | ParnicWork | lol, i disclaim all responsibility for writing ;) |
| 19:26.22 | Fisker | it was pretty funny though |
| 19:26.29 | Fisker | nothing like gunning down innocent people for comedy |
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| 19:50.25 | Shirik | so |
| 19:50.32 | Shirik | apparently all the emergency systems at my school work |
| 19:51.15 | Shirik | however our fire alarm sounds like it was made in the 1900s |
| 19:53.41 | alestane | Something just went off, I take it. |
| 19:54.08 | Shirik | I'm going to assume it was an electrical fire |
| 19:54.28 | Shirik | The power went out then the fire alarm went off and then I am told one of the suppression systems went off |
| 19:54.34 | Shirik | and then we weren't allowed back in the building |
| 19:54.57 | Ackis | my fiancee is complaining that the cat broke one of hear earphones in her headset |
| 19:55.07 | Ackis | I'm like "why does that matter, you're deaf in one ear anyways" |
| 19:55.27 | Shirik | wow you're mean |
| 19:55.48 | Ackis | it's true |
| 19:55.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: was the side the cat broke the side she's deaf in? |
| 19:56.02 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: didn't ask :P |
| 19:56.03 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Turn them around? |
| 19:56.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: depending on the construction that might be impossible/uncomfortable |
| 19:56.32 | Ackis | in which case I'll tell her to suffer in silence |
| 19:58.40 | Shirik | ha |
| 19:58.42 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 19:58.49 | Shirik | I just came across a paper |
| 19:59.03 | Shirik | "A distributed architecture for an adaptive computer virus immune system" |
| 20:06.00 | Shirik | What happens when you take a computer-science course: |
| 20:06.12 | Shirik | Be prepared for a discussion in class on your position of what is software architecture, views, etc. â your |
| 20:06.12 | Shirik | perspective. This will be a token passing protocol-based discussion. |
| 20:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | Your brain turns to mush. |
| 20:06.34 | Shirik | that he said "token passing protocol-based discussion" scares me |
| 20:06.48 | alestane | The talking stick! |
| 20:08.02 | NightHawkTheSane | grumbles about taking a 4 day weekend, and still feeling wiped out afterwards. |
| 20:08.06 | olafski | I prefer the talking pillow |
| 20:08.58 | foxlit | The conch. |
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| 20:11.03 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 20:11.06 | Fisker | not so hey NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:11.07 | Fisker | and hey Shirik |
| 20:13.41 | Lunessa | Ackis: You're a perfect candidate for a "Why Men Are Insensitive Twits" Reality TV show. The women judges will vote you off the island in the first episode. |
| 20:14.22 | foxlit | Lunessa: wouldn't voting someone off that island mean that they're sensitive and do not use twitter? |
| 20:14.41 | Lopeppeppy | I say we stone the losers to death! |
| 20:14.45 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 20:14.49 | Ackis | Lunessa: pfft insensitive? nevar |
| 20:14.49 | Fisker | won't you hate Shirik with me? |
| 20:15.34 | Fisker | you got 5 seconds to comply |
| 20:16.22 | Lopeppeppy | No way, Fisker. |
| 20:16.24 | Lopeppeppy | I adore Shirik. |
| 20:16.26 | foxlit | zip doesn't like me :/ |
| 20:16.29 | Lopeppeppy | He defied the screaming hordes for me. |
| 20:16.42 | Fisker | :8 |
| 20:16.43 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:16.48 | foxlit | I do zip ... -x "foo/.*" "foo/*/.*" and it still scans through "foo/.git" :/ |
| 20:16.48 | alestane | Which screaming hordes were these, Lopeppeppy? |
| 20:16.50 | Fisker | one day i will get you Shirik |
| 20:17.33 | haste | git archive! |
| 20:17.59 | haste | also, can't you just do: -x '.git' ? |
| 20:18.42 | foxlit | no on the latter. |
| 20:18.46 | foxlit | still does the scan. |
| 20:18.49 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, the store line at Blizzcon! |
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| 20:19.51 | alestane | Ah. I missed that line, although this time a friend is hoping I'll buy a shirt for her. She wants to save shipping costs; I'm not sure, I might have to charge her for standing in line for however many hours. |
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| 20:21.23 | Shirik | just found a new word |
| 20:21.27 | Shirik | "analyzability" |
| 20:21.36 | Lopeppeppy | bless you. |
| 20:21.43 | TC-Work | i dont get why anyone would stand in line at the blizzcon store |
| 20:21.58 | foxlit | git --archive is interesting |
| 20:22.54 | Shirik | TC-Work: To get things you can't get otherwise? |
| 20:23.18 | TC-Work | is anything actually worth a 2-10 hour wait in line? |
| 20:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | To get to know a score of other fans waiting in line near you? |
| 20:23.26 | Lopeppeppy | And having pizza delivered is choice action as well. |
| 20:23.42 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: you had pizza delivered to you in line? |
| 20:23.54 | Ackis | I stood in line TC-Work and met cog|away and Mrs. Cog |
| 20:23.56 | Lunessa | She pulled a Spicolli! |
| 20:24.04 | Lopeppeppy | I did not, but it was passed over my head, TC |
| 20:24.08 | TC-Work | heh |
| 20:25.06 | Lunessa | I stood in line at the last one at a slow time to pick up exclusive crap to bring back to friends and to /try/ to snag a messenger bag. Alas, I didn't get the bag. |
| 20:26.46 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy uses blizzcon lines as pick-up areas? |
| 20:27.05 | Shirik | I should try this |
| 20:27.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I think it only works for women. |
| 20:27.16 | Shirik | unfortunately the male-to-female ratio in those lines is probably not in my favor |
| 20:27.17 | Shirik | yeah |
| 20:27.41 | TC-Work | thats not quite true |
| 20:27.45 | NightHawkTheSane | true, i bet it works for gay men too. |
| 20:27.52 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I totally picked you up! :P |
| 20:28.07 | Lunessa | rawr. geek lurv |
| 20:28.11 | Lopeppeppy | But I could stand to visit again and bring home a new crop of angelic gamer geeks. |
| 20:28.43 | TC-Work | seems to be a bit lean on IRC people that are going |
| 20:28.53 | Lopeppeppy | Been a tough two years in the cold hard world. |
| 20:29.04 | Lunessa | I'm going. :) |
| 20:29.04 | Shirik | I'm going |
| 20:29.42 | TC-Work | i think this is the first year i will meet Lunessa, since i wasnt there last year |
| 20:30.02 | Lunessa | TC-Work: I promise not to bite or throw feecees. |
| 20:30.03 | alestane | I would not say there was a significant shortage of women at the BlizzCon I attended. |
| 20:30.27 | TC-Work | alestane: but most of them came with someone |
| 20:30.32 | Lunessa | BC 2009 was chock full of delectables young women. |
| 20:30.43 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: the ratios are changing, for sure. |
| 20:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | pax this year looked almost normal. |
| 20:31.00 | Lopeppeppy | Goodnight, cruel IRC world. *sniff sniff* |
| 20:31.01 | TC-Work | define normal? |
| 20:31.04 | Lunessa | It was also full of people who made me reevaluate my personal body image. |
| 20:31.19 | NightHawkTheSane | TC-Work: well, normal in terms of population makeup ;) |
| 20:31.33 | TC-Work | NightHawkTheSane: ah, since normal could be all men :p |
| 20:31.51 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: so.. 52%-female |
| 20:31.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i said /almost/ ;) |
| 20:35.37 | Ressy | sigh. No children under 5 allowed at Blizzcon. Looks like it'll be years before I can go then. :( |
| 20:36.02 | Lunessa | Sorry Ressy. It's dark, loud, crowded. Spooky for small children. |
| 20:36.34 | Lunessa | And they tend to be distracting when they squally during a presentation which is being broadcast live on PPV. |
| 20:37.47 | Ackis | https://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/7411679f-7971-4978-98d7-a3294268d006.jpg |
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| 20:41.33 | Ackis | can horde do operation gnomergan? |
| 20:43.09 | olafski | does the pope live in salt lake city? |
| 20:46.32 | Ackis | https://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/805d364e-44ba-4c62-9a89-24a572d41b92.jpg |
| 20:48.27 | Ackis | https://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/doghouse-diaries.png?w=500&h=636 that one apparently applies to me quite often |
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| 20:50.11 | foxlit | eh, so you can't make a death knight |
| 20:50.14 | foxlit | on beta. |
| 20:50.31 | foxlit | Tradeskill UI for Runeforging seems broken |
| 20:50.46 | ParnicWork | most tradeskills are broken right now, actually |
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| 21:04.27 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/1081132467 |
| 21:05.23 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/09/google-scribe.html |
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| 21:26.56 | Lunessa | fucking people fucking with classroom equipment piss me off. Do NOT unplug the computer's video cable to hook up your fucking laptop - that's why there is a goddamned cable on the countertop for you fucko. |
| 21:27.50 | Dagmar | Time to break out the protective zip ties |
| 21:28.10 | Lunessa | Dagmar: They had to use a goddamned screwdriver. |
| 21:28.49 | Ressy | :O |
| 21:29.02 | Dagmar | Put a sticker on 'em that says "use other plug" or "unplug to be murdered" |
| 21:29.06 | Lunessa | And the next professor was freaking out 'cause she couldn't get the computer to work. |
| 21:29.48 | Lunessa | I should check the schedule and figure out who used that room this afternoon... and then 'expire' their account. |
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| 21:30.38 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.50 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.08 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.27 | Ressy | o.O ppl actually want to install mcaffee? |
| 21:31.49 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.54 | Lunessa | Dagmar: If you plug a non-matching MAC into a network port in our buildings we kill the port. |
| 21:32.32 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.15 | Dagmar | We figured if it wasn't on the network it would be safe from accidentally being administrated. |
| 21:33.24 | Lunessa | Sounds like you have too many 'admin' users. |
| 21:33.25 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.43 | Ressy | I like my old school.. One of my professors admin'd the network.. Told us a lot of the dumbass moves other profs did. |
| 21:35.34 | krka | crap, in utter darkness is freaking hard :/ |
| 21:35.52 | Lunessa | Working in IT makes me loathe vendors (hardware and software) and users. |
| 21:36.03 | Ressy | understandable Lunessa. |
| 21:36.05 | foxlit | Lunessa: anyone you don't loathe? |
| 21:36.18 | Lunessa | foxlit: Let me get back to you on that one. |
| 21:36.27 | Ressy | I'm an accounting major, but I do all the IT stuff for my small company too. |
| 21:36.48 | Lunessa | foxlit: My answer to that is too crude to post in here, even for me. |
| 21:37.33 | foxlit | It just seems that with "vendors" and "users" you've covered the entire spectrum of people you interact with as part of your job :) |
| 21:37.37 | Ressy | lol |
| 21:37.40 | foxlit | Not a healthy situation. |
| 21:37.43 | Dagmar | I keep telling them at work the biggest threat to network stability is the users, so we should do away with them. |
| 21:37.55 | Lunessa | foxlit: My mental state has never been described as healthy. |
| 21:37.55 | Dagmar | I'm not getting much managerial buy-in on that. |
| 21:38.16 | Ressy | I think everyone who does IT goes nuts at some point Lunessa. |
| 21:39.22 | Lunessa | Dagmar: We have certain professors who invariably fall prey to phishing schemes or leave unsecured machines in public places... I've advocated fro removing their access entirely after the third incident from each ... people look at me like I'm a madman. |
| 21:39.46 | Ressy | snickers |
| 21:40.19 | Kraps | http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/06/florida.quran.burning/ |
| 21:40.51 | Dagmar | Kraps: Oh yeah... That's just plain stupidity. |
| 21:40.56 | Lunessa | Kraps: I've been innundated with that story - hateful people are hateful. |
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| 21:45.45 | Kraps | and now to our regularly scheduled programming http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1962-Zalazane-s-Fall-and-Operation-Gnomeregan-now-on-live-servers |
| 21:45.50 | Kraps | HOLY SHIZZ |
| 21:50.57 | foxlit | Can anyone remember what the release date for 12857 was? |
| 21:51.33 | Lunessa | Sorry foxlit. |
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| 22:06.31 | Lunessa | You know I'd like to believe this nervousness will pass. All the stones that are thrown are building up a wall. - Seven Mary Three - strange lyrics to go with a strange name |
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| 22:20.12 | `Olorin | Insanity keeps life interesting, cause you never know what wierd and wonderful thoughts will come into ya noggin |
| 22:22.49 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/12857 << it's late, but it's up. |
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| 22:26.13 | Lunessa | You sir, are a gentleman and a fine soul. |
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| 22:31.14 | kd3 | oh wow. corpse spam in 3D |
| 22:31.51 | foxlit | Hm? |
| 22:32.02 | foxlit | Their level 1 humans are usually alive on our server. |
| 22:32.34 | kd3 | hasn't logged in to live for some time now |
| 22:35.02 | foxlit | hm, Cataclysmy, dolby. |
| 22:36.15 | dolby | sorry, your what hurts? |
| 22:36.34 | foxlit | Pity about the background image, though |
| 22:36.54 | foxlit | All the mildly interesting parts are obscured by the page layout :( |
| 22:37.03 | foxlit | Maybe you should shift it up a bit |
| 22:41.30 | NightHawkTheSane | shifts foxlit up a bit |
| 22:41.44 | Shirik | ~wiki User:Divine Justice |
| 22:41.59 | Zyn | holy moly |
| 22:42.48 | NightHawkTheSane | beastiest, eh? |
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| 23:03.20 | Thunder_Child | "<Lunessa> TC-Work: I promise not to bite or throw feecees." you know, i think it would be more interesting if you did |
| 23:03.32 | Thunder_Child | though possibly more disgusting |
| 23:03.45 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: For about as long as it took for me to be ejected and told never to return? |
| 23:04.42 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: who would complain? |
| 23:07.01 | Lunessa | ME! |
| 23:07.13 | Thunder_Child | ... |
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| 23:11.37 | Lunessa | That's it. NO ABSINTHE FOR YOU! |
| 23:12.50 | Thunder_Child | thats ok, i think i can pass on the hallucinogenic booze |
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| 23:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | its not totally hallucinogenic. |
| 23:18.10 | NightHawkTheSane | in smallish quantities.. |
| 23:18.12 | NightHawkTheSane | usually... |
| 23:23.30 | Lunessa | I friend of mine just got back from Prague and brought me a bottle which I will bring to BlizzCon. |
| 23:23.41 | NightHawkTheSane | sweet deal |
| 23:25.21 | Thunder_Child | that cant turn out well |
| 23:25.35 | Thunder_Child | unless you make Cairenn drink the whole bloody thing |
| 23:26.11 | Cairenn | well, maybe not all of it :p |
| 23:26.15 | Thunder_Child | ALL |
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| 23:26.40 | Thunder_Child | though it may not turn out well even if you only drink a small portion |
| 23:26.56 | Kraps | rosh hashana starts tomorroq |
| 23:27.02 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 23:27.13 | Thunder_Child | which means i wont be seeing my boss for the next week or so |
| 23:27.57 | Kraps | good for you? :p |
| 23:28.24 | Thunder_Child | doesnt make a diff |
| 23:28.26 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I promise, I won't make you drink any if you don't want to. |
| 23:28.37 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: but the rest of us will |
| 23:29.02 | Cairenn | Appreciate that, although rather moot since you couldn't /make/ me drink it if I don't want to :p |
| 23:29.38 | Thunder_Child | oh? |
| 23:29.52 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: how religious would you say your boss is? |
| 23:30.13 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: Frum |
| 23:30.17 | Lunessa | Well, at last BC even though many drinks were purchased /for/ her, she drank half of /one/. In the bar. |
| 23:30.38 | Cairenn | errrr, no? |
| 23:30.47 | Thunder_Child | she drank more than that at dinner the first time i went there |
| 23:30.48 | Kraps | yeshivish, chasidish... |
| 23:30.52 | Cairenn | doesn't recall that |
| 23:30.52 | Kraps | :p |
| 23:31.45 | Lunessa | Well... Kaelten ended up finishing that giant blue thing and I only saw you have that one thing that night. THe night before in the other bar you had one drink as well. |
| 23:32.03 | Cairenn | heh, you weren't paying attention dear |
| 23:32.03 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: no idea |
| 23:32.22 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: but my answer is correct |
| 23:34.45 | Cairenn | and Lunessa, you do know why I didn't finish that first drink at the restaurant, yes? |
| 23:35.13 | Thunder_Child | it was bad? |
| 23:35.21 | Cairenn | Not precisely |
| 23:35.24 | Thunder_Child | only reason i can think of you passing up free booze |
| 23:36.05 | Cairenn | It was an AMF - except while the glass was full, the bartender forgot to put in any mix, it was straight alcohol |
| 23:36.25 | Thunder_Child | and this is a problem why? |
| 23:36.32 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: if you told me what type of jacket and hat he has, how he wears his sidelocks, and what type of beard he has, i could narrow it down :p |
| 23:36.32 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 23:36.47 | Cairenn | If I'd finished it, I would have been passed out on the floor |
| 23:36.53 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: no, he is not a black hatter |
| 23:36.59 | Kraps | ah |
| 23:37.19 | Thunder_Child | he does seem to pick and choose |
| 23:37.32 | Adys | "As a next step in those community efforts, we announced today the use of OpenID for the Google signup process." |
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| 23:39.22 | Lunessa | Cairenn: failing to see the issue here. :) |
| 23:39.29 | Cairenn | :p |
| 23:40.43 | Kraps | i'm all for tougher dungeons but does anyone think that blizz will have to nerf them due to the massive QQ that is bound to be incoming? |
| 23:45.44 | Shirik | have to agree witih Kraps here |
| 23:47.16 | NightHawkTheSane | does it really matter? |
| 23:47.24 | ckknight | Cairenn: chug! |
| 23:47.41 | Cairenn | ckknight: hehehe, you were doing well enough at that yourself ;) |
| 23:47.57 | Cairenn | especially the night of the community dinner |
| 23:48.00 | ckknight | oh yea |
| 23:48.07 | Cairenn | when we all sang happy birthday to you |
| 23:48.11 | Cairenn | *weg* |
| 23:48.11 | ckknight | also my pseudo-birthday thingy |
| 23:48.25 | kd3 | hm |
| 23:48.27 | ckknight | fun times |
| 23:48.34 | kd3 | so who do we get to humiliate at dinner this year? |
| 23:49.09 | Cairenn | not sure |
| 23:49.16 | Cairenn | will have to check my calendar |
| 23:49.36 | Thunder_Child | better not be me |
| 23:50.09 | Thunder_Child | though i wish that sat was the 19th, then i could go to disneyland for free |
| 23:50.14 | Cairenn | how does that rule go? he who declines first nominated? |
| 23:50.54 | Thunder_Child | no |
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| 23:54.31 | Lunessa | Cairenn: What you didn't know was that we'd been doing shots at the table before the siging. |
| 23:55.33 | Cairenn | I heard |
| 23:55.45 | ckknight | yea |
| 23:55.48 | ckknight | bacardi 151 |
| 23:55.51 | ckknight | which got in Xtek's nose |
| 23:56.12 | Xtek | ugh that shit hurt |
| 23:56.14 | Xtek | for like 2 days |
| 23:56.44 | Lunessa | Heh, I didn't get any pictures of ckk's face, but the expressions were priceless. |
| 23:57.16 | Xtek | Yes, yes they were. |
| 23:57.23 | Xtek | CLARION HO! |
| 23:57.33 | Xtek | was good times |
| 23:57.52 | Xtek | Half of my Guild is going this year I plan on drinking a lot and making an ass of myself. |
| 23:57.54 | Xtek | \o/ |
| 23:59.25 | Thunder_Child | how is that different than normal? |
| 23:59.26 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: depends if you felt that wotlk dungeons were too easy :p |
