| 00:00.02 | Humbedooh | well it's just a library atm, but you can plug it into any addon you like |
| 00:00.17 | Humbedooh | I'm gonna make a proggy, Gnomexcel for just making spreadsheets :p |
| 00:00.33 | Humbedooh | but any mod that uses tables in some way or another can use it |
| 00:02.18 | Humbedooh | http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/22368-anyone-here-know-of-a-fiction-book-about-a-cat ? ;> |
| 00:02.20 | Jerub | Kraps: go find a librarian and ask them. they /love/ those questions. |
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| 00:06.27 | Kraps | dammit |
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| 00:10.46 | Kraps | stupid thing is that if i hear the title i'll go "oh yeah thats it!" |
| 00:25.36 | DWSR | Jerub: s/those/questions/ |
| 00:25.56 | DWSR | err. |
| 00:25.57 | DWSR | wow. |
| 00:25.59 | DWSR | Regex fail. |
| 00:26.01 | DWSR | s/those// |
| 00:27.57 | Adys | anyone for worms? we need a fourth |
| 00:33.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Today, at work, Colleague: "Yeah, I know the guy, I did him. What's his username? I already forgot." |
| 00:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Me: "Wow, you did what and you already forgot the name?" |
| 00:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Too perfect |
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| 00:59.17 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzPEqhELJ8 |
| 01:02.48 | Wobin | is sad |
| 01:02.59 | Wobin | at the misuse of the term 'Improv' |
| 01:03.13 | Wobin | to be redefined as 'Staged' |
| 01:03.47 | Wobin | Every time ImprovAnywhere puts a production out, a Theatresports geek dies |
| 01:04.23 | Jerub | Wobin: to be fair, a lot of their peripheral actors are doing improv. |
| 01:04.27 | Jerub | but the core is staged, yes. |
| 01:04.51 | Wobin | well, that's not 'to be fair', really |
| 01:04.52 | Kraps | Wobin: y so hate :( |
| 01:05.05 | Wobin | cause -real- improv is far more impressive |
| 01:05.10 | Wobin | and entertaining |
| 01:05.25 | Wobin | and they're misusing the term |
| 01:06.10 | Wobin | If they called it StagedProductionAnywhere, I'd have no complaints |
| 01:06.20 | Wobin | or even SurpriseEventAnywhere |
| 01:06.37 | Wobin | or UnexpectedPenguinAnywhere |
| 01:07.12 | Kraps | this is why we cant have nice things |
| 01:08.07 | Wobin | Jerub: why be 'fair'? |
| 01:08.35 | Wobin | none of the 'agents' directly involved are actually doing improv |
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| 01:12.54 | Kraps | wishes less derp upon Wobin |
| 01:14.03 | Jerub | Wobin: no, they're not, i agree |
| 01:14.22 | Wobin | my biggest problem is the miseducation of people to what they then expect 'Improv' to be |
| 01:14.48 | Wobin | More people need to understand what it actually involves |
| 01:14.55 | Wobin | and how cool it is |
| 01:15.12 | Wobin | and, when done well, how ridiculously funny it can get |
| 01:15.25 | Cairenn | It's making it up on the spot, with no pre-scripting |
| 01:15.31 | Wobin | yes |
| 01:15.37 | Jerub | Cairenn: i think wobin knows this |
| 01:15.43 | Jerub | which is why he's overflowing with rage |
| 01:15.49 | Wobin | froths |
| 01:16.03 | Cairenn | Hell, good actors improv all the time, when someone has forgotten their lines :p |
| 01:16.48 | Jerub | did anyone here play QFG4 ? |
| 01:17.08 | Jerub | it's one of those games that came out at an odd time in computer gaming history, and i doubt anyone did play it... |
| 01:18.31 | Wobin | Wasn't that the one with the romanian theme? |
| 01:18.34 | Kraps | [09:14:53]<Wobin>More people need to understand what it actually involves and how cool it is <------ you know that you can say this about anything in nerd/geek culture, its like a dark tunnel with no "accepted by society at large" end |
| 01:18.50 | Cairenn | heh, good point Kraps |
| 01:18.57 | Jerub | Wobin: yeah |
| 01:19.08 | Wobin | Improv isn't really a nerd/geek thing, imo |
| 01:19.09 | Jerub | the guys in the tavern, if you listened to the voice acting, it didn't match the script |
| 01:19.17 | Wobin | it requires far too much social interaction =) |
| 01:19.45 | Kraps | Wobin: so does the thing peppy did a few weeks ago |
| 01:19.48 | Jerub | because the guys they got to do the voice acting riffed ontheir script so much, and everyone thought they did it better, but they never transcribed back to the game :P |
| 01:20.01 | Wobin | Kraps: ... now I have mental images |
| 01:20.14 | Kraps | lol |
| 01:20.16 | Wobin | and am almost afraid to ask =P |
| 01:20.28 | Kraps | http://www.sca.org/ |
| 01:20.51 | Wobin | sca is still playing a role |
| 01:21.24 | Cairenn | No, it's playing a persona |
| 01:21.42 | Wobin | certainly, but you can get by with preparation of said persona |
| 01:22.44 | Wobin | ie, "My persona would be in X such situations, and be interacting with Y sort of others, I can react like Z to certain prompts, etc" |
| 01:22.56 | Kraps | its a fringe nerd thing is what im saying |
| 01:23.02 | Xyphoid | it's a very minimalist role, i know a bunch of scadians who have personas consisting of 'i use the name David instead of Dave' |
| 01:23.11 | Kraps | a huge fringe, but still a fringe |
| 01:23.26 | Cairenn | Xyphoid: lame |
| 01:23.42 | Wobin | but improv doesn't quite match with your bleak outlook =P |
| 01:23.47 | Cairenn | those aren't true SCAdians |
| 01:23.49 | Wobin | it's not a 'scene' |
| 01:23.57 | Wobin | it's not a 'cult' |
| 01:23.59 | Xyphoid | they're into the sca for the martial arts / craft / research stuff instead of the yes milord |
| 01:24.10 | Wobin | it's a methodology, I guess. |
| 01:24.24 | Wobin | it's reactive creativity |
| 01:24.36 | Jerub | i know lots of mediavalists. |
| 01:24.42 | Wobin | there's no 'accepted or not accepted by society' involved =P |
| 01:24.47 | Jerub | no one current with SCA tho |
| 01:24.58 | Xyphoid | everyone gets their own thing out of it i guess |
| 01:25.04 | Cairenn | Jerub: yes you do |
| 01:25.05 | Wobin | it's a skill |
| 01:25.10 | Wobin | like, say, juggling |
| 01:25.11 | Xyphoid | i went along to shoot arrows at moving targets |
| 01:25.17 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 01:25.42 | Jerub | Cairenn: i mean, of the people i have drunk beer with in my city, i know no current SCA people |
| 01:25.53 | Cairenn | Jerub: heh, okay ;) |
| 01:25.56 | Jerub | several ex-SCA, and many reenactors. |
| 01:26.03 | Kraps | Wobin: i guess i'm thinking that "true" improv is done up to the semipro level |
| 01:26.35 | Wobin | Kraps: an -awesome- night out is watching the semi-finals or finals of Theatresports |
| 01:26.37 | Jerub | is "whose line is it anyway" true improv? or is that scripted? |
| 01:26.53 | Wobin | Jerub: I don't know, I'd lean towards improv |
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| 01:27.11 | Wobin | They at least offer some level of randomness with audience input |
| 01:27.16 | Jerub | Wobin: did you end up seeing the episode i linked ages ago? |
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| 01:27.19 | Wobin | whether or not that's planted, is another matter |
| 01:27.44 | Wobin | Jerub: possibly =) |
| 01:27.46 | Jerub | the one with richard simmons? |
| 01:27.58 | Thunder_Child | doesnt do it while he is driving |
| 01:27.59 | Wobin | I ... don't recall |
| 01:28.27 | Jerub | google video has the whole episode up. |
| 01:28.30 | Jerub | Run. Do not Walk. |
| 01:28.46 | Wobin | link? |
| 01:29.06 | Jerub | don't watch it somewhere where continuous rofl |
| 01:29.06 | Jerub | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=2&ved=0CDgQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D-469655133676776699&rct=j&q=richard%20simmons%20whose%20line%20is%20it%20anyway&ei=Wqx9TIvjF4q4vgPe9KXAAg&usg=AFQjCNEOEqydE67uEzyZ5X1QVA3i7lc6vQ&sig2=OIPcAQSlqtApEhW-PUwKig&cad=rja |
| 01:29.27 | Jerub | where continuous rofl will be noticed/unappreciated. |
| 01:32.10 | Wobin | argh |
| 01:32.11 | Wobin | at work |
| 01:32.16 | Wobin | cannot rofl |
| 01:34.15 | Jerub | Wobin: don't watch it at work. seriously. you will be unable to stop roffle. |
| 01:35.27 | Xyphoid | man we still don't understand empowered shock vortex vs shock vortex |
| 01:35.38 | Xyphoid | there is no reason to move from empowered if you're spread out, right? |
| 01:37.18 | Kraps | whos richard simmons? |
| 01:38.00 | Wobin | Xyphoid: yes afaik |
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| 01:38.58 | Jerub | Kraps: very camp 80s video excercise persona. |
| 01:42.30 | Wobin | Xyphoid: shock vortex drops to a single point |
| 01:42.46 | Wobin | empowered explodes from every raid member, I think |
| 01:42.51 | Xyphoid | right, and doesn't persist? |
| 01:42.59 | Wobin | yeah, one shot |
| 01:43.24 | Xyphoid | so normal shock vortex = fire that flings you out. empowered shock vortex = shatter-style effect |
| 01:43.48 | Xyphoid | i think half our group is trying to move out of empowered shock vortex when it's cast like it's shock vortex |
| 01:44.04 | Kraps | wow that show is loaded with innuendo :P |
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| 02:18.55 | Amarande | squee. |
| 02:19.02 | Amarande | when did they remove the CD on titansteel, anyway? |
| 02:20.01 | Kraps | when wrath came out |
| 02:20.22 | Amarande | Kraps: titansteel. the one that used to be once a day? the wrath one? :) |
| 02:20.31 | Thunder_Child | vermaybe |
| 02:20.35 | Amarande | or do you mean wrath as in 3.3 |
| 02:20.42 | Kraps | is too lazy to troll |
| 02:22.08 | Yssaril | fyi my beta launcher is grabing data now so patch is being deployed |
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| 02:27.13 | Yssaril | http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5046/newlauncherz.jpg |
| 02:28.05 | Thunder_Child | same |
| 02:29.24 | kd3 | grr |
| 02:29.28 | kd3 | patches always when I'm at work |
| 02:29.31 | kd3 | grrs some more |
| 02:29.52 | Thunder_Child | kd3: this is why you need to be able to remote to your comp |
| 02:30.05 | kd3 | is usually not in front of a computer at work |
| 02:30.15 | kd3 | no kd3|werk ircing here >.> |
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| 02:30.23 | Thunder_Child | blinks @ kd3 |
| 02:33.02 | kd3 | ooh, a cataclysmic launcher |
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| 02:34.26 | Yssaril | kd3: remote from your phone then :) |
| 02:34.39 | kd3 | still doesn't have a smartphone |
| 02:34.54 | kd3 | I'm already addicted enough to my netbook whenever I have it with me... I really don't need 24/7 connectivity |
| 02:35.01 | Thunder_Child | what the hell kind of techy are you |
| 02:35.10 | kd3 | a lazy, cheap one |
| 02:35.30 | cog|away | kd3: i feel the same way but in the opposite direction. my smartphone makes me not really want a netbook |
| 02:35.54 | cogwheel | of course now it's moot 'cause i have a laptop that can run sc2 on high >< |
| 02:36.05 | kd3 | lolol |
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| 02:37.41 | Adys | Fisker? |
| 02:39.25 | kd3 | ooh... is the new launcher actually patching the streamed data into the mpqs? |
| 02:39.43 | Amarande | Well this is news to me |
| 02:39.48 | Amarande | Malygos requires an attunement? |
| 02:39.52 | kd3 | watches his drive meter keep spinning |
| 02:39.54 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:39.57 | Xyphoid | you need a key, not an attunement |
| 02:40.18 | Amarande | Everyone need a key or just one, like kara? |
| 02:40.19 | Xyphoid | when malygos comes up as the weekly you see a lot of groups just go kill sapphiron first |
| 02:40.22 | kd3 | someone in the raid has to have killed sapph and one the roll for the orb |
| 02:40.23 | Xyphoid | one person |
| 02:40.33 | kd3 | s/one/won/ |
| 02:40.37 | kd3 | sigh |
| 02:40.43 | Xyphoid | haha |
| 02:54.53 | kd3 | ! zg isn't a raid any more |
| 02:55.08 | Jerub | it's an instance? |
| 02:55.11 | Jerub | that'd be nice. |
| 02:55.27 | Jerub | our guild hunter was always after us to spot him for the MC boss so he could solo it |
| 02:55.30 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560871177&pageNo=1&sid=2000#18 |
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| 02:56.27 | Jerub | oh |
| 02:56.29 | Jerub | gone entirely. |
| 02:56.42 | Jerub | i thought maybe it'd gone the way of UBRS |
| 02:56.46 | kd3 | we're playing around in the un-instanced version in N-STV now |
| 02:57.27 | Hjalte | un-instanced? |
| 02:57.35 | kd3 | the version in the open world |
| 02:57.42 | kd3 | points at the n-stv map |
| 02:58.13 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:WorldMap-NorthernStranglethorn.jpg |
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| 02:58.42 | Seerah | never got the poly turtle spell :( |
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| 03:03.57 | Amarande | kd3: are the mounts still dropping? |
| 03:04.07 | kd3 | I have no idea |
| 03:04.26 | Amarande | also, anyone remember where the hell the arcatraz key quest starts? |
| 03:04.39 | kd3 | points at the wiki |
| 03:04.58 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Key_to_the_Arcatraz |
| 03:05.02 | Jerub | points at kd3 pointing at the wiki. |
| 03:05.56 | Jerub | oh, :D :D i nailed RS25 last night in a pug |
| 03:05.58 | Jerub | yay me |
| 03:06.43 | Jerub | fortunately, explaining "yes I've done this fight on 10man" to the RL was enough, i didn't have to lie and say "I've won this fight on 10 man" |
| 03:09.01 | Shirik | hm |
| 03:09.14 | Shirik | anyone here familiar with PGP? Someone sent me an encrypted message and GnuPG is yelling at me |
| 03:09.49 | Shirik | gpg: CRC error; A3CDB4 - DC3A3C |
| 03:09.50 | Shirik | gpg: quoted printable character in armor - probably a buggy MTA has been used |
| 03:09.56 | Shirik | I'm not sure which one of those is more accurate |
| 03:10.10 | Shirik | and the message LOOKS ok |
| 03:10.12 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:10.31 | Jerub | Shirik: quoted-printable is the =20 == ' ' business |
| 03:10.35 | Shirik | I figured it out |
| 03:10.44 | Shirik | hotmail turned it into an HTML email |
| 03:10.48 | Shirik | with no plaintext version |
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| 03:19.54 | mikma | tekkub: http://www.scnsrc.net/films/dvdrip/grizzly-man-limited-dvdrip-xvid-nedivx/ |
| 03:26.07 | Kandoko | Yay, the new downloader is flying atm (non p2p mode) |
| 03:26.08 | cogwheel | Legorol: uploading ep 3 :) |
| 03:26.47 | kd3 | !the new downloader is also smart and using http ranges and not pre-split files like it used to |
| 03:26.57 | Legorol | cogwheel: oh kay |
| 03:27.00 | kd3 | my new downloader script is a hell of a lot simpler now |
| 03:27.04 | kd3 | <3 |
| 03:27.30 | Kandoko | kd3: Is it smart enough to no longer saturate my upload BW and killing the download speed? If so Ill turn p2p back on |
| 03:27.52 | kd3 | dunno. they say it's supposed to be good about that |
| 03:28.02 | cogwheel | it's failtacular |
| 03:28.03 | kd3 | but then they said the same thing about the last one |
| 03:28.03 | Kandoko | Old one was just horrid to even web surf with it on |
| 03:28.10 | cogwheel | yet i won |
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| 03:28.31 | Legorol | mikma: do you generally support the rights of AddOn authors with regards to the addons they wrote? |
| 03:28.41 | Legorol | such as their ability to control its distribution, modification etc. |
| 03:29.01 | bluspacecow | did they change something to do with how kernl panics are reported under 10.6.x ? |
| 03:29.21 | Legorol | cogwheel: i shall watch it tomorrow |
| 03:29.40 | cogwheel | i wish i could choose my own up/down ration for my internet connection. |
| 03:29.57 | cogwheel | it's kind of silly to have to pay for 24mbps down just to get > 1.5 up |
| 03:30.06 | cogwheel | ratio* |
| 03:30.07 | Legorol | cogwheel: i wish i could choose the ratio too. I'd set it to 0 :P |
| 03:30.17 | Dagmar | FFXIV beta.... wait nevermind |
| 03:30.39 | Legorol | cogwheel: nvm, i misread :( ignore me |
| 03:31.06 | bluspacecow | i have a kernel panic that doesn't list the information it should EG the registers as well as some other debugging info |
| 03:31.18 | bluspacecow | doesnt match the ones here : http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/technotes/tn2002/tn2063.html#TNTAG31 |
| 03:32.05 | Jerub | Shirik: wiat. hotmail? |
| 03:32.08 | Jerub | who was using hotmail? |
| 03:32.22 | bluspacecow | use gmail noob |
| 03:32.42 | Jerub | well, actually, for gpg, gmail is no better |
| 03:33.01 | Jerub | gmail is actually probably responsible for the lack of gpg usage in the tech community at the moment. |
| 03:33.06 | bluspacecow | oh gpg |
| 03:33.11 | Amarande | Jerub: is anything in RS significantly different mechanics wise on 25 vs 10? |
| 03:33.14 | bluspacecow | whats gpg >_> |
| 03:33.26 | Amarande | or is it still the same 3 minibosses and the same halion with the same stupid Crash Bandicoot beam |
| 03:33.43 | Amarande | (Seriously. Don't tell me you DIDN'T think of the fight with Cortex from Warped when you saw Twilight Cutter.) |
| 03:33.52 | cogwheel | gonna go watch something while it uploads... then to annotate! |
| 03:34.00 | mikma | legorol: umm, why? |
| 03:34.19 | bluspacecow | can someone tell me what version of the darwin kernel is on a 10.6.4 OS X install ? |
| 03:34.31 | Legorol | mikma: yes or no :P |
| 03:34.44 | Jerub | Amarande: nope, don't think so |
| 03:34.57 | Jerub | Amarande: but it's just more. |
| 03:34.58 | Iriel | Darwin quad.home.cheeseplant.org 10.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.4.0: Fri Apr 23 18:28:53 PDT 2010; root:xnu-1504.7.4~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 |
| 03:35.17 | Jerub | more healing, more damage, more people to coordinate between real/shadow realm. |
| 03:35.32 | Iriel | bluspacecow: that's 10.6.4 on a 2 x 2.66 Dual Core Xeon Mac Pro |
| 03:35.37 | bluspacecow | thanks iriel |
| 03:36.05 | bluspacecow | matchs what I get here also build is 10F569 ... which is 10.6.4 last time i checked |
| 03:36.13 | Jerub | Amarande: oh, and i had the achievement for neither ;) |
| 03:36.22 | mikma | legorol: yes, still why? |
| 03:36.25 | Jerub | shadow realm is a druid healer's fight |
| 03:36.32 | Jerub | was beautiful |
| 03:36.38 | Amarande | heh we had one wag claiming that twilight cutter gives a haste buff if you stand in it |
| 03:36.54 | Amarande | well, I guess maybe in a way, since if you're in it (assuming you don't die) you're OH SHIT RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN |
| 03:36.54 | Legorol | mikma: then i find it hypocritical that you link to a torrent of a movie, thereby encouraging movie piracy |
| 03:37.00 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:37.09 | mikma | legorol: the idea of the link was important |
| 03:37.25 | Jerub | Amarande: twilight cutter is instagig |
| 03:37.28 | mikma | legorol: you should propably understand that bit first before you start yapping your mouth |
| 03:37.28 | Jerub | er instagib |
| 03:38.43 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26435508324&sid=1 |
| 03:39.08 | bluspacecow | i do not know what type of error that is |
| 03:39.08 | Jerub | Amarande: 13k shadow damage a second, dps at current gear levels on full health may survive 2 seconds, but not 3. |
| 03:39.12 | bluspacecow | not a page fault apparently |
| 03:39.34 | Jerub | 13:39 < bluspacecow> not a page fault apparently |
| 03:39.42 | Jerub | uh didn't mean to paste the whole line, just your name. |
| 03:39.55 | bluspacecow | yes hai jerub |
| 03:40.04 | Jerub | bluspacecow: a page fault is where some data isn't in system RAM and it needs to be retrieved off disk. |
| 03:40.20 | Jerub | memory being in pages, and it not being in the in memory lookup table being the fault. |
| 03:40.25 | Jerub | you're thinking of an /invalid/ page fault. |
| 03:40.34 | bluspacecow | not i meant the apple tech note example |
| 03:40.41 | Iriel | LCCDemon, that's a logitech driver isn't it? |
| 03:40.48 | bluspacecow | sounds like it yes |
| 03:40.49 | Iriel | Those have a habit of sucking BIG TIME on OSX |
| 03:40.50 | bluspacecow | "panic(cpu 0 caller 0x001A8CD4): Kernel trap at 0x223ab275, type 14=page fault, registers:" |
| 03:41.01 | bluspacecow | the one in the page i linked is different |
| 03:41.12 | bluspacecow | i dont have registers for that crash either |
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| 03:41.43 | bluspacecow | ah there we go |
| 03:41.53 | bluspacecow | com.Logitech.Control Center.HID Driver2.6.0 <--- in the loaded kexts |
| 03:42.16 | bluspacecow | uninstall that and get USBOverdrive IMHO |
| 03:42.21 | Iriel | bluspacecow: http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-845149.html |
| 03:42.28 | Iriel | bluspacecow: same program, same panic |
| 03:42.46 | Iriel | bluspacecow: LCC on OSX is a piece of crap, really, my laptop used to wig out until I ditched it |
| 03:42.47 | bluspacecow | wow thanks iriel .. i'll post about that :) |
| 03:42.50 | Jerub | wow. |
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| 03:42.58 | Jerub | heroic halion looks like a cow of an instance |
| 03:43.05 | bluspacecow | yeah but "HID" isn't that for USB game devices and the sort ? |
| 03:43.14 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: but whats that mean? |
| 03:43.31 | Thunder_Child | thats like saying, 'thats a real blorb of an instance' |
| 03:43.39 | Iriel | It's the control center, for any "fancy extras" |
| 03:43.54 | Iriel | I use logitech mice on my macs but no LCC |
| 03:43.57 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: uh, in much the same way that super mario bros 2 was a cow of a game. |
| 03:44.21 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: that doesnt help |
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| 03:44.35 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: 'unpleasant and unnecesserily hard' |
| 03:44.52 | Thunder_Child | thats what 'cow' means? |
| 03:44.58 | bluspacecow | emulation - when i was playing around with various ones eg playstation , game boy advance etc etc HID was what they were using for the controls |
| 03:45.00 | Thunder_Child | wtf kind of beef are you eating? |
| 03:45.04 | Xyphoid | cows are hard to manage |
| 03:45.12 | Xyphoid | beef is easier |
| 03:45.19 | Jerub | yeah |
| 03:45.21 | Jerub | cows drop beef. |
| 03:45.27 | Iriel | HID is Human Interface Device |
| 03:45.32 | Jerub | and the nastier the cow, the better the drop. |
| 03:45.34 | Iriel | Mice, keyboards, joysticks, touchpads, etc |
| 03:45.47 | kd3 | mmm... beef |
| 03:45.55 | bluspacecow | yeah thats what I meant ! |
| 03:46.11 | bluspacecow | http://pcsx.gpost.dk/download.php |
| 03:47.57 | Legorol | mikma: point taken. |
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| 03:54.06 | Yssaril | bah all patched up and no servers |
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| 04:06.22 | sylvanaar | i like the new launcher |
| 04:08.27 | sylvanaar | anyone do the framexml extract? |
| 04:08.44 | sylvanaar | (not the addon kit one) |
| 04:10.42 | kd3 | I'm still downloading |
| 04:10.54 | kd3 | soon as it's done (probably when I wake up before heading to school) I'll send out the email |
| 04:11.44 | kd3 | sighs some more at the fact that 'saturating his downstream' happens at ~150K/s |
| 04:17.52 | Amarande | lol wimpy ass kargath |
| 04:17.58 | Amarande | he didn't even do his run around the room move or have time to summon adds |
| 04:18.58 | Fisker | i'm a very sick person kd3 |
| 04:19.14 | kd3 | so go to bed |
| 04:19.21 | Kraps | http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2010/08/propaganda-posters-of-world-war-two.html |
| 04:19.41 | Fisker | where i'm going i don't need beds |
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| 04:26.15 | kd3 | whee; just hit the 'playable' stage |
| 04:26.20 | Fisker | i play you |
| 04:26.27 | kd3 | sure, sure you do |
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| 04:30.34 | Thunder_Child | "...Accordingly, the alleged injury, destruction of the earth, is in no way attributable to the U.S. government's failure to draft an environmental impact statement." |
| 04:30.44 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5626453/doomsday+crying-man-tries-suing-the-crap-out-of-the-large-hadron-collider |
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| 04:33.47 | Thunder_Child | Iriel, Shirik: http://gizmodo.com/5626133/with-expanded-size-comes-greater-light+gathering-capability-in-canons-worlds-largest-cmos-sensor |
| 04:34.13 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: yeah yeah, old news |
| 04:34.31 | Iriel | Oh, I see, now with added CMOS |
| 04:34.36 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 04:34.51 | Thunder_Child | well, i guess 16 hours could be old |
| 04:38.05 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:38.18 | Thunder_Child | eats the trout |
| 04:38.20 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:38.27 | cog|away | Fiskers Thunder_Child around a bit with a large Shirik |
| 04:38.33 | Thunder_Child | eats the trout |
| 04:38.43 | Fisker | hey cockwheel |
| 04:38.48 | cogwheel | hey fuuuuusker |
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| 04:39.00 | Fisker | man where do people make this shit up? |
| 04:39.09 | cogwheel | in their heads |
| 04:39.13 | cogwheel | fucking heads how do they work? |
| 04:39.22 | Fisker | This guys claims that the wow forum software were compromised in classic which caused his account to be hacked |
| 04:39.29 | Wobin | cogwheel: so intense |
| 04:40.10 | cogwheel | taps his foot as he waits for YouTube to process |
| 04:40.54 | kd3 | hokay. time for sleep. emails away in the morning, hopefully |
| 04:41.16 | bluspacecow | @fisker - wot ? |
| 04:41.31 | bluspacecow | his fault for not changing his passwords and making regular scans |
| 04:41.55 | Fisker | yeah, no |
| 04:42.32 | Fisker | It was the usual "omg blizzard hacked my account and sold the gold to goldfarmers, despite the fact he could just have spawned a million trillion gold without hacking anyone" |
| 04:42.50 | bluspacecow | sold gold ? |
| 04:42.50 | Fisker | And we told him that the infinitely more likely version was that he got keylogged or scammed |
| 04:42.57 | bluspacecow | they can create it with a command ! |
| 04:43.02 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 04:43.09 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:43.31 | Fisker | Then some guy says that Blizzard isn't infallible(fair enough), and that the forums once had an issue that had his account hacked |
| 04:43.41 | bluspacecow | have they never been on a private server ? *channels old jewish guy* |
| 04:43.50 | bluspacecow | *hoah what a mensch* |
| 04:44.05 | Fisker | Tried to tell him he'd have to make up a better story if we're to believe that basically 2 seperate login systems can somehow affect the other |
| 04:44.10 | bluspacecow | euro forums or normal forms fisky ? |
| 04:44.17 | Fisker | euro forums |
| 04:44.44 | Fisker | and i told him he most likely picked up a story about back when Blizzard employees couldn't computer and got hacked |
| 04:44.53 | Fisker | hacked = keylogged of course |
| 04:44.53 | Amarande | Heh, some people did claim that Blizzard was partly behind the duping and item sales business in Diablo 2 |
| 04:45.35 | bluspacecow | they're meant to have a QA dept to stop that |
| 04:45.39 | bluspacecow | if they didn't then they do now |
| 04:45.52 | Amarande | (Unfortunately, from a business standpoint, it's not *entirely* inconceivable though ... the only money Blizz makes from D2 now is from selling new copies of the game, so it is in their best interest to leave in security holes that they can then ban people for exploiting, particularly as the player community mostly doesn't seem to really care about the dupes either ... :P) |
| 04:46.18 | Amarande | make that, *the player community actively embraces duped items* *SIGH* |
| 04:46.30 | bluspacecow | ah churn |
| 04:46.38 | Amarande | I was called a noob on a regular basis in D2 for refusing to use things like Enigma or BOTD |
| 04:47.01 | Amarande | Like I was going to give in to the ebay dupes market? Hell no. |
| 04:50.08 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO9ugnn8DbE&feature=player_embedded |
| 04:50.27 | Blu|doing | fiskers mum ! |
| 04:50.28 | Xyphoid | didn't you argue yesterday that it's to blizzard's advantage to leave bugs in the game to slow people's levelling and keep them |
| 04:50.54 | Xyphoid | whoops, i lost my train of thought |
| 04:51.01 | Amarande | Xyphoid: and keep them playing longer? |
| 04:51.24 | Amarande | Xyphoid: from a *strict* business standpoint, as long as people are hooked enough to not quit because of the bugs, actually it probably is to their advantage. |
| 04:52.00 | Amarande | There is a reason I am not a business executive. There are entirely too many things that are good for business that just *suck* from any other standpoint. :P |
| 04:54.20 | Xyphoid | i think that's pretty crazy, because you're ignoring all other factors - it seems roughly as plausible as saying 'well, if we hire large burly men to stand in the game stores and threaten people who don't buy the game, then clearly we'll have increased sales' |
| 04:54.50 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5625422/play-starcraft-ii-from-your-iphone |
| 04:55.28 | Yssaril | is wowinteface down? |
| 04:56.29 | Wobin | no? |
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| 05:02.27 | Blu|doing | not for me either |
| 05:02.35 | Blu|doing | nslookup wowinterface.com |
| 05:02.52 | Blu|doing | reports IP as 173.193.17.246 |
| 05:03.01 | Blu|doing | i mean i can load it fine >_> |
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| 05:08.24 | Fisker | i came on the new launcher cogwheel |
| 05:08.49 | BluInShower | literally ? |
| 05:08.57 | cogwheel | are you literally in the shower? |
| 05:08.58 | Fisker | oh yay |
| 05:08.59 | BluInShower | did you clean up after wards ? |
| 05:09.02 | BluInShower | meant to be |
| 05:09.04 | Fisker | 1,2GB download |
| 05:09.06 | BluInShower | im procastinating |
| 05:09.07 | cogwheel | :P |
| 05:09.09 | Fisker | but 2.2MB/s |
| 05:09.10 | Fisker | i like |
| 05:10.33 | Fisker | damn mosquitoes |
| 05:13.50 | Cide | cogwheel doesn't get it |
| 05:14.15 | cogwheel | i don't get lots of things |
| 05:14.23 | Fisker | 2.3MB/s |
| 05:14.24 | Cide | evidently |
| 05:14.27 | Fisker | 2.4MB/s |
| 05:14.29 | Fisker | i like this |
| 05:14.45 | Fisker | I've never seen Blizzard's downloader be that awesome |
| 05:15.34 | BluInShower | @fisker yeah its pretty cool... you can even remove MPQ files and you don't have to reinstall ... it just streams it in and downloads it for you again |
| 05:15.50 | BluInShower | if they get this right you won't have any need for Repair.exe again |
| 05:16.15 | Fisker | Well repair is still useful to diagnose the initial problem |
| 05:16.16 | Cide | cogwheel: ever heard of half-life 2? |
| 05:16.20 | BluInShower | when it finds an error with one of the MPQ files it should then have a button [Delete and Download again] ? |
| 05:16.30 | BluInShower | i agree fisker |
| 05:16.48 | cogwheel | yes |
| 05:16.58 | Fisker | i can't wait until they roll out 50/5Mbit here |
| 05:16.59 | Fisker | :o |
| 05:17.10 | cogwheel | i actually have it and have played through some of it >< |
| 05:17.44 | BluInShower | but im thinking they could merge the functioanlity for repair into the launcher and have the launcher auto detect when an MPQ file is corrupted and present a choice to redownload the effected MPQ file |
| 05:18.15 | Cide | ever heard of half-life 2: episode 1 and half-life 2: episode 2? |
| 05:18.21 | Fisker | I wonder if they could be über awesome and send out a diff instead |
| 05:21.13 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/01/corsair-sails-into-gaming-headset-waters-with-noise-isolating-hs/ |
| 05:23.34 | Fisker | looks like they upgraded the repair tool as well BluInShower |
| 05:23.46 | BluInShower | O_O |
| 05:23.47 | BluInShower | oh rly ? |
| 05:24.08 | BluInShower | i knew that they have a Repair for macs now but not that they upgraded the PC side |
| 05:24.11 | BluInShower | in what way ? |
| 05:24.18 | Fisker | new UI |
| 05:24.20 | Amarande | is there *anything* Corsair can do wrong hardware wise? :) |
| 05:24.25 | Fisker | but the repair just fails and say it can't repair |
| 05:24.28 | BluInBath | can i has pixture |
| 05:24.30 | Fisker | so doesn't work yet apparently |
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| 05:24.35 | Fisker | sure |
| 05:24.37 | Amarande | their memory has always been top notch (though I haven't actually tried it yet) |
| 05:24.42 | Amarande | their power supplies are awesome (I use one) |
| 05:24.47 | BluInBath | that would be because the repair data for Cata isn't on the Repair servers yet |
| 05:24.52 | BluInBath | once they up that it should work |
| 05:25.01 | Amarande | Corsair PSUs are pretty much ideal for gaming rigs, since you don't have to worry one bit about the 12V rail |
| 05:25.22 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/PjGNV.png |
| 05:25.47 | Jerub | seasonic > * |
| 05:25.49 | BluInBath | thats how the mac one looks ! |
| 05:25.51 | Fisker | Jerub |
| 05:25.57 | Fisker | you will die |
| 05:25.59 | BluInBath | is that windows Fisker ? |
| 05:26.07 | Fisker | yeah |
| 05:26.18 | BluInBath | nice |
| 05:26.37 | Jerub | Fisker: we compared some power supplies after getting a dodgy batch. A seasonic power supply will easily handle 40 -> 400 V input from the wall |
| 05:27.12 | Jerub | most normal supplies can handle 180-250 (for australian use) some dodgy ones can't handle more than 20V variation around 220 |
| 05:28.18 | Fisker | why do you need 400V input? |
| 05:28.18 | Fisker | :D |
| 05:28.37 | Fisker | you trying to hook it up to a nearby streetlight? |
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| 05:28.50 | Fisker | not an entirely bad idea |
| 05:29.28 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) |
| 05:29.35 | Amarande | 400V input? whatever for? |
| 05:29.53 | Amarande | Fisker: I *think* streetlights might be more than that |
| 05:29.57 | Amarande | ever hear of a bloke named sk0t? |
| 05:30.01 | Fisker | naw |
| 05:30.04 | zenzelezz | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/how-do-you-spell-device-mandate-failure-u-h-f.ars |
| 05:30.31 | Fisker | but it can't be that important when our local municipality disabled them during christmas because they couldn't afford the bill |
| 05:30.36 | Amarande | ahh ... he was an EFnet regular. his last words are recorded on Bash, and he earned a Darwin Award. |
| 05:30.41 | Fisker | (Especially when it's a legal requirement that they're turned on) |
| 05:31.00 | Fisker | sweet |
| 05:31.01 | Fisker | sauce |
| 05:31.05 | Amarande | His Darwin was for ... get this |
| 05:31.18 | Amarande | he wanted to watch some sort of astronomical thing ... think it might have been a meteor shower |
| 05:31.33 | Amarande | but the streetlight was too bright, so he got some *cutters* and tried to cut off the power ... |
| 05:31.41 | Amarande | yeaaaaaah you can guess what happened next. |
| 05:31.43 | Fisker | bam |
| 05:31.56 | Fisker | should've worn gloves |
| 05:32.02 | Fisker | and insulated cutters |
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| 05:32.11 | Fisker | while standing in the air |
| 05:42.05 | BluInBath | municipality ? |
| 05:42.05 | BluInBath | what dat ? |
| 05:44.26 | Fisker | lol? |
| 05:44.42 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipality <-yo wiki |
| 05:44.51 | BluInBath | yeah |
| 05:45.07 | BluInBath | don't know wot country you in so don't know what definition applies |
| 05:45.24 | Fisker | Grouping of small towns |
| 05:45.29 | BluInBath | oh |
| 05:45.32 | BluInBath | right |
| 05:45.32 | Fisker | i.e. denmark |
| 05:45.43 | BluInBath | we call it "district council" |
| 05:45.56 | Fisker | aww |
| 05:46.10 | BluInBath | but your word sounds better |
| 05:46.21 | Fisker | aww |
| 05:46.32 | BluInBath | "Good evening Waipa Municipality how can I help you" |
| 05:46.32 | Fisker | they made this new launcher and didn't even change to their own renderer |
| 05:46.34 | BluInBath | == win |
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| 06:13.16 | Fisker | heh |
| 06:13.35 | Fisker | "We couldn't make flying work with the instance being outdoors, so we just removed it instead" |
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| 06:20.43 | zenzio | "The EVGA Website has details on how owners of eligible EVGA graphics cards purchased between March 26 and August 23 of this year can get a free copy of Mafia II via digital distribution. This entails uploading a copy of the invoice for your card, and word is: "These are in very limited supply, the faster you get your invoice uploaded the better your chances are to collect." " |
| 06:21.12 | zenzio | limited supply on digital distribution? Are their bits deteriorating at a monumental rate? |
| 06:21.42 | rocode | I am assuming Mafia II gave them a certain number of copies for a deal. |
| 06:22.31 | Arrowmaster | steam has run out of activation codes for certain games before |
| 06:22.54 | Amarande | bah, my current card is EVGA, but I bought it in February. :P |
| 06:22.55 | zenzio | those are artificial limits |
| 06:23.13 | Amarande | what does Steam use for its codes anyway ... UUIDs? |
| 06:23.23 | Arrowmaster | depends on the game |
| 06:23.57 | Arrowmaster | but i think for most it does it transparently so the user never sees that there was a code used |
| 06:23.58 | Amarande | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130514 <--- current card |
| 06:24.14 | Arrowmaster | but they still need to get them from the publisher and have them in the system |
| 06:24.44 | Arrowmaster | unless they get a no activation version of the exe |
| 06:25.04 | zenzio | for Company oif Heroes, I had to use the "View CD Key" feature on Steam to get the codes for the expansions and enter them manually into the original game's unlock screen |
| 06:25.08 | zenzio | *of |
| 06:25.21 | rocode | Found this in my AppData folder: http://pastebin.com/fBYxDScY in a file called Roamingachievements.txt. No clue which game did it though. |
| 06:26.25 | Amarande | and yet with a 1GB GTS 250 I STILL get graphics lag on VOA 25 |
| 06:26.29 | Amarande | I think I do need more main RAM |
| 06:27.19 | rocode | I managed to get through a ICC 25 today on my laptop. Had to make a script that removes my custom UI stuff and replace certain addon configurations that did not have that feature themselves, to fix a much lower resolution. |
| 06:27.34 | rocode | fit in* |
| 06:27.44 | Amarande | I'm going to get two more gigs sometime after D*Con and see if the lag goes away |
| 06:27.57 | Amarande | at least in VoA, it doesn't really matter THAT much if I'm dropping some GCDs as DPS |
| 06:28.05 | rocode | Mhmm |
| 06:28.08 | Amarande | (hell, it might be a good thing, with pug tanks who may not have as good of gear as I do) |
| 06:28.23 | Amarande | remember, DKs don't have an aggro drop :) |
| 06:28.43 | rocode | You guys see the new Cata launcher? Patched today. Pretty sweet. |
| 06:29.08 | rocode | Still has the same streaming bugs I submited a month ago, but eh. |
| 06:29.11 | Grum | was in the latest beta push the custom ui enabled again? |
| 06:29.22 | rocode | No. |
| 06:29.33 | rocode | But I have managed to load lua scripts. |
| 06:29.47 | Grum | how? |
| 06:29.57 | rocode | Macros. |
| 06:30.05 | Grum | so /script is active again? |
| 06:30.11 | rocode | Yep. |
| 06:30.18 | Grum | that means the UI is fully functional |
| 06:30.20 | Grum | kk |
| 06:30.21 | Amarande | what? you can't use addons in beta yet? |
| 06:30.23 | Thrae | Amarande: All companies have a cracked version of their own game they can use for testing. The DRM is added in the very final stage (which is why it's stupid sometimes, like with Mass Effect). Some games on Steam still use other forms of DRM too just in case you are pirating Steam itself (yeah, like your DRM could really defeat them). So yes, basically Steam replaces at least one form of DRM (SecuROM). |
| 06:30.25 | rocode | But I am restricted to 500 lines |
| 06:30.31 | Grum | Amarande: not yet |
| 06:30.32 | rocode | Amarande, not as far as I know |
| 06:30.42 | Amarande | ow ... I guess it's okay then that I don't have a beta key |
| 06:30.44 | Grum | rocode: yeah but in 500 lines you can load a frame which can then load other code |
| 06:30.49 | Amarande | trying to play wow using the blizzard ui makes me cry now |
| 06:30.50 | rocode | Yep. |
| 06:30.58 | Amarande | in fact, I'll probably take a couple weeks vacation from WoW when 4.0 hits |
| 06:31.01 | rocode | Same. Even more so for healing. |
| 06:31.07 | Grum | iirc cogwheel made that |
| 06:31.10 | Amarande | simply in order to let my essentials get updated before I try to play again |
| 06:31.14 | Thrae | Addons can seriously f-up the beta testing considering how much they have to go through |
| 06:31.14 | Grum | yeah i havent done any instances as that is just plain /wrist |
| 06:31.26 | Grum | i agree with blizz's ways |
| 06:31.37 | Amarande | Thrae: then there's some games on Steam that don't really even have DRM at all |
| 06:31.37 | Grum | just that they also said the interface modifications would be enabled again next patch |
| 06:31.40 | rocode | Yea, but the addons need to be updated, since 90% of the population relies on them. |
| 06:31.42 | Grum | i guess they meant /script only |
| 06:31.43 | Amarande | like most of the classic id games |
| 06:31.44 | Thrae | Especially if said addon taints Blizzard's own UI |
| 06:31.48 | zenzio | "With today's beta patch, Blizzard has enabled the usage of addons in the Cataclysm beta." - Cairenn posted this on WoWI yesterday |
| 06:31.54 | rocode | Hrm. |
| 06:31.57 | Grum | rocode: you'd be surprised how many people play without addons |
| 06:31.59 | rocode | Going to confirm. |
| 06:32.04 | Thrae | Amarande: All Steam games have at least one form of DRM -- Steam |
| 06:32.05 | rocode | Grum, I have yet to meet one. |
| 06:32.06 | Grum | zenzio: yeah this is also why i wondered |
| 06:32.13 | Grum | rocode: i know of at least 50 :D |
| 06:32.19 | Grum | some of them even raid :'( |
| 06:32.37 | Amarande | Thrae: the Doom, Heretic, and Hexen games, at least, far as I'm aware, can be played via ZDoom et al. without any DRM related issues even if you get it from Steam. :) |
| 06:32.40 | rocode | My guild is so addon heavy, we make our own hotpatches to keep our raid guys happy until the dev gets one out. |
| 06:32.43 | Amarande | so yeah, those ones aren't protected. |
| 06:32.59 | Thrae | Amarande: You mean the WAD files? |
| 06:33.01 | Amarande | in fact, the current zdoom seems to even be able to quickly locate wads under the steam directory, which surprised me intensely. |
| 06:33.03 | Amarande | Thrae: Yeah. |
| 06:33.14 | Grum | but cogwheel once made an 'addon loader' through macros right? |
| 06:33.18 | Amarande | any of the old id games that use a WAD aren't really protected, because WAD wasn't a DRM enabled format. |
| 06:33.26 | rocode | Yea. I remember something like that. |
| 06:33.32 | Jerub | Grum: i have no doubt that many people play without addons. but there's playing then there's raiding. |
| 06:33.37 | Thrae | Amarande: Yeah, and I can also mod Oblivion and Fallout 3 just fine under Steam too. Those aren't protected under any DRM, nor should they. |
| 06:33.43 | rocode | Jerub, yep. |
| 06:33.53 | Grum | Jerub: some poeple even raid without addons |
| 06:33.54 | Jerub | Grum: i'd guess that fewer than 5% of raiders play clean without addons. |
| 06:33.57 | Grum | to be honest, as a dps, you can |
| 06:33.58 | rocode | Blanket rejuv across the raid without grid or healbot == fail |
| 06:34.07 | Grum | dps or tank even |
| 06:34.17 | Jerub | whereas i wouldn't doubt the general population had a much higher sans-addons numbers. |
| 06:34.27 | Amarande | rocode: pitbull alone isn't good enough for healing? |
| 06:34.27 | Thrae | Amarande: Morrowind, Oblivion, FO3, and hopefully New Vegas tioo |
| 06:34.29 | Corrodias2 | you "can", maybe |
| 06:34.30 | Jerub | Grum: less say less than 5% of healers and tanks. |
| 06:34.38 | Grum | Jerub: probably |
| 06:34.41 | rocode | Amarande, I actually switched to pitbull today for the ICC 25 |
| 06:34.44 | Corrodias2 | you "can" solder your eyelids shit |
| 06:34.45 | Corrodias2 | *shut |
| 06:34.46 | Grum | most people run some sort of bossmod-flavor-addon |
| 06:34.49 | Amarande | though I haven't really healed any raids yet |
| 06:34.50 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: new vegas is from obsidian, dont count on much from it |
| 06:34.53 | rocode | With grid as a overview. |
| 06:34.54 | Corrodias2 | it doesn't mean it's a pleasant experience |
| 06:34.55 | Amarande | my healer is still 70 ... pitbull's fine for 5-mans |
| 06:34.59 | Jerub | Grum: you can get away without it provided the RL is running it. |
| 06:35.04 | rocode | Pitbull + Clique + Grid |
| 06:35.06 | Amarande | and that's even though I have my pitbull set normally so you can't click on players in 5-mans to select them |
| 06:35.10 | Jerub | for 5mans, clique is all you need |
| 06:35.15 | Amarande | then again |
| 06:35.24 | Jerub | i use default unit frames as a 5man healer. |
| 06:35.26 | Grum | Jerub: most abilities actually have 'boss yells' tied to them |
| 06:35.31 | Amarande | I'm disc, so mainly I'm healing the tank, and dps generally have to make do with shields unless the attack is big enough to require PoH |
| 06:35.42 | Grum | since sartarion they really kept on doing that |
| 06:35.54 | Amarande | besides, if you're dps and taking damage in 5-mans, except during certain boss situations, you're Doing It Wrong(tm) |
| 06:35.56 | Jerub | Grum: it's debuff tracking that is the main one. |
| 06:36.03 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: New Vegas uses a modded version of the Oblivion engine which includes additions from FO3. Why wouldn't mods be allowed? I don't see why people see Obsidian as some sort of bad dev. company. I think they did good work with KOTORII (and I recently bought it too). |
| 06:36.10 | Grum | Jerub: well, theoretically that should be doable on default unitframes :/ |
| 06:36.15 | Grum | but i agree, addons > * |
| 06:36.17 | Amarande | Remember: if the tank dies, it's the healer's fault |
| 06:36.22 | Amarande | if the healer dies, it's the tank's fault |
| 06:36.31 | Jerub | Grum: i've done it on default unit frames, but never enjoyed it. |
| 06:36.34 | zenzio | if the DPS dies, it's their own fault |
| 06:36.37 | rocode | ^ |
| 06:36.39 | Amarande | if the DPS dies, except to huge wide angle/volley AoE boss crap, it's their own damn fault they're wasting away in Deadgaritaville. :) |
| 06:36.40 | Grum | Jerub: same, was a pain in the ass |
| 06:37.01 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: they do nothing but sequels and they are never as good as the originals |
| 06:37.02 | Jerub | usually it's becaues i've just had a tragic addon failure and have to muddle through |
| 06:37.04 | Thrae | Guys, remember one thing Blizzard really, really wants to try and do is make a default UI that people don't feel they "need" mods to raid in. So if you're talking about them being disabled in Cata... |
| 06:37.05 | Grum | if dps dies from overaggro its the tanks mistake as well! |
| 06:37.18 | Corrodias2 | everything is the tank's fault |
| 06:37.23 | rocode | Thrae, only for the beta. |
| 06:37.25 | Corrodias2 | that's why they pay the most for repairs |
| 06:37.26 | Jerub | like when i diabled all addons except DBM and enabled all the <DBM> ... addons but forgot "Deadly Boss Mods Core" |
| 06:37.27 | zenzio | depends on the circumstances Grum; but generally it would be |
| 06:37.28 | rocode | And the new party stuff reminds me of grid. |
| 06:37.33 | Amarande | Grum: depends. |
| 06:37.40 | Thrae | rocode: Right, that's what I'm talking about. |
| 06:37.40 | Grum | Amarande: obviously :D |
| 06:37.46 | Amarande | if the DPS dies from overaggro because they outgear the tank massively and don't check on that fact first, it's the DPS's fault |
| 06:37.57 | Jerub | ... and then did first 4 bosses of icc25 as a tank |
| 06:38.06 | Amarande | which is actually one reason I always EG the party as soon as I get into ICC5 randoms now |
| 06:38.12 | Thrae | I logged in after 3 months in inactivity without updating my addons and my entire WorldFrame was tainted :D |
| 06:38.15 | Jerub | Amarande: what about if a dps dies because he cussed out the tank who is the healer's wife? |
| 06:38.28 | Grum | Jerub: valid! |
| 06:38.31 | zenzio | "Zul'Gurub is gone as a raid instance come Cataclysm." :-o I wonder why they did that |
| 06:38.31 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: but im just saying they might not release the mod tools or something, although if they dont i expect the community to get something working from the oblivion and fallout3 mod tools |
| 06:38.31 | Grum | dpses mistake ;D |
| 06:38.33 | Amarande | Jerub: if you piss off the tank and healer? it's your fault. :) |
| 06:38.44 | Grum | zenzio: i wonder what happens with the reputation attached to it |
| 06:38.44 | rocode | zenzio, they needed more space for the new STV |
| 06:38.50 | Grum | and it also have 2 mounts there right? |
| 06:38.52 | rocode | Which is now split in two. |
| 06:38.54 | Grum | also in the beta the zone was still there |
| 06:38.59 | Amarande | zenzio: does noninstanced ZG still give rep and/or have hakkari thorium veins? |
| 06:39.04 | rocode | It is no longer there. |
| 06:39.05 | Corrodias2 | i just finished Viewtiful Joe tonight. a fantastic game that i played instead of WoW. |
| 06:39.06 | Grum | at least when i logged in last (before i dinged 83) |
| 06:39.10 | Amarande | or give ... what's it called, bloodvine? |
| 06:39.13 | zenzio | Amarande: no idea |
| 06:39.17 | rocode | Grum, as of today, it is no longer there. |
| 06:39.17 | kd3 | it's beta--things are different every build |
| 06:39.21 | Jerub | (warrior dps cussed out the tank for needing on ilvl 219 stuff in toc when he was in 264+ gear, i was healing...) |
| 06:39.21 | kd3 | not that the servers are up yet |
| 06:39.23 | rocode | All rep is frozen for it. |
| 06:39.27 | Grum | rocode: damn i better get my rep up |
| 06:39.29 | Jerub | wait. sorry. |
| 06:39.30 | rocode | Yep |
| 06:39.31 | Jerub | said that wrong |
| 06:39.34 | Grum | ah fuck |
| 06:39.47 | Jerub | the warrior needed on stuff to vendor. my wife the tank called him on it, he swore at her. |
| 06:39.49 | Grum | meh i might need to hand in my shendalar reputation early :D |
| 06:40.09 | Amarande | Jerub: we had a huge problem in BT PUG the other night with people needing on stuff to sell |
| 06:40.14 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Well it's not even up to Obsidian since they didn't do anything to the engine AFAIK except use it. That'd be up to Bethesda/Zenimax and they value the community. |
| 06:40.17 | Amarande | the RL was getting increasingly pissed off at it |
| 06:40.30 | Amarande | then the hunters concerned all left and we wiped the first time on illidari council because we didn't have the dps :( |
| 06:40.30 | Grum | i dont get how 'sell' is a valid excuse for 'needing' ... |
| 06:40.35 | Grum | sell == money == greed :D |
| 06:40.43 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Obsidian can't even claim "ownership" as I believe it's published by Zenimax. |
| 06:40.47 | Amarande | Grum: everyone still needs on the battered hilt though, even if they already have 251+ weapons |
| 06:40.50 | Jerub | Grum: fortunately, he was able to afford his repairs. |
| 06:41.03 | Jerub | Amarande: we all have alts :P |
| 06:41.06 | Amarande | although that's probably a special case |
| 06:41.06 | Grum | Amarande: yeah sad shit |
| 06:41.12 | Grum | and you know the worst part |
| 06:41.13 | Amarande | alts, plus the fact that it IS worth so much |
| 06:41.14 | rocode | Amarande, just like the people who need on BoE twink gear |
| 06:41.14 | Jerub | i've passed on it before |
| 06:41.18 | Grum | i had 6 of em drop in the first day the instance opened |
| 06:41.22 | Grum | in 1 clear >< |
| 06:41.22 | rocode | Jerub, shame on you. |
| 06:41.29 | Thrae | Amarande: Just like Frozen Orbs, esp. right before the Magic Carpet Gnome |
| 06:41.29 | Amarande | and on servers where GS obsession is endemic, I guess I can understand people needing on essentially 8000g |
| 06:41.31 | Grum | we just vendored one ... and all took one o.O |
| 06:41.49 | Amarande | 8000g gets you a 264 BoE (or two, if you're smart and get mats instead of premade items) |
| 06:42.02 | Grum | Amarande: we have something new, hgs o.O .. 'heroes gear score' .. apparently from the wow-heroes site >< |
| 06:42.13 | Amarande | this far down the line, thousands and thousands of gold is pretty much one of the few ways people can hope to catch up to the GS people are drumming for |
| 06:42.15 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: is it? i thought it was bethesda that got the fallout copyright, ive actually noticed it seems kinda like they are labeling things with bethesda instead of zenimax lately since ive seen some really low quality games with bethseda logos slapped on them |
| 06:42.28 | Thrae | The Elitist set by Shadowed is what you really want. |
| 06:42.28 | Grum | so nice confusion ensues ... >3000gs! 'but that is someone in green gear!' no i meant hgs! >< |
| 06:42.38 | rocode | I like Elitist Group. That is what we have been using in conjuction with GSlite |
| 06:42.40 | Jerub | my druid jumped about 200gs in a single upgrade last night, on what i thought was a shit upgrade |
| 06:42.41 | Amarande | Grum: HGS is what they used on Silvermoon Alliance when I was there |
| 06:42.44 | Jerub | i hate GS so much |
| 06:42.46 | Amarande | and yeah, I'm an EG user myself |
| 06:42.48 | unfo- | Grum, HGS? |
| 06:42.53 | Jerub | rocode: EG = awesome. |
| 06:42.55 | Amarande | although I can see the attractiveness of GS |
| 06:42.56 | Grum | wow-heroes.com O.o |
| 06:43.04 | Jerub | i love basically saying, "why is that huntard here in full pvp gear" |
| 06:43.04 | rocode | GS is deceptive. |
| 06:43.08 | Amarande | one of the things about EG is ... yeah, it kind of assumes a really well-oiled raid |
| 06:43.09 | Corrodias2 | so is this "gearscore" a blizzard addon or just some random douche's idea of what things are worth? |
| 06:43.11 | Grum | gearscore is ok *IF* and only *IF* it is not used to judge upgrades |
| 06:43.24 | Jerub | Amarande: EG makes shitheads stand out. |
| 06:43.33 | Amarande | Corrodias: GS is an addon that evaluates gear based on ... primarily ilvl I think |
| 06:43.39 | Grum | Corrodias2: the last one, random douche |
| 06:43.39 | rocode | Corrodias2, http://www.wowwiki.com/Gearscore |
| 06:43.40 | Amarande | might be stats ... I haven't looked at the code |
| 06:43.44 | Jerub | it's saved me from many fail raids. |
| 06:43.47 | Corrodias2 | got it. |
| 06:43.47 | Arrowmaster | its nothing but ilvl |
| 06:43.52 | rocode | No |
| 06:43.53 | Grum | its ilvl + rarity |
| 06:43.53 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: that I'm not sure about |
| 06:43.55 | rocode | It isn't ilvl |
| 06:43.55 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: and gems and chants, a little. |
| 06:43.56 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Zenimax owns Bethesda and they exist as their publisher. I'm pretty sure Zenimax owns the rights to make these Fallout games and are allowing Bethesda (as a subsidary) and Obsidian (under contract) to make these games. |
| 06:43.58 | Amarande | because of heirlooms |
| 06:43.59 | unfo- | Amarande, gs = ilvl based; then it displays "holy gs; retri gs" etc for you as well |
| 06:44.01 | Grum | and some 'downcasting' for 'wrong stats' |
| 06:44.06 | Arrowmaster | it just doesnt use ilvl directly so the idiot that wrote it claims 'its not ilvl!' |
| 06:44.20 | Amarande | when I used to use GS, I noticed that people with heirlooms constantly had four digit gearscores even pre outland |
| 06:44.23 | Grum | it does use the ilvl directly actually |
| 06:44.36 | Amarande | because, apparently, it always counted them based on their stats at 80 (and heirlooms are ilvl *1* as we all know) |
| 06:44.46 | Grum | ilvl+ratity then a slot weight and then stat-offsetting |
| 06:44.46 | Corrodias2 | http://images.4chan.org/an/src/1283320010267.jpg |
| 06:45.20 | Amarande | anyway, EG evaluates gear on several different levels |
| 06:45.25 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: NM. You're right. The publisher is Bethesda. I guess ZeniMax isn't well-known enough to be a publisher like EA. |
| 06:45.38 | Grum | whatever GS does right now, its wrong |
| 06:45.39 | Amarande | it gives average ilvl, plus an evaluation as to appropriateness of the item, gems, and enchants for spec |
| 06:45.54 | rocode | Grum, unfortunately, there will always be a GS of some sorts. |
| 06:45.55 | Grum | also the whole 'average ilvl' only gives you so much information |
| 06:45.58 | rocode | Because people are idiots. |
| 06:45.59 | Amarande | like I said, the one fault of EG, perhaps, is that it assumes a much more well-oiled raid than most PUGs, or even most guild + partial PUG raids |
| 06:46.01 | Grum | rocode: yeah |
| 06:46.04 | unfo- | Amarande, afaik gs doesn't take into account enchants |
| 06:46.04 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/amDG/~3/pQVg0qaxcmI/google-now-indexes-svg.html |
| 06:46.06 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: But anyway, yeah, New Vegas has Bethesda as the publisher so *they* get the right to release tools and crap. |
| 06:46.09 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: see, since fallout3 the Bethesda label seems to be getting used like a publisher which is really confusing |
| 06:46.11 | Amarande | unfo-: or gems, actually |
| 06:46.13 | unfo- | Amarande, at least my gs didn't budge when i enchanted stuff |
| 06:46.16 | Amarande | which is one thing that pisses me off about GS |
| 06:46.33 | unfo- | yeah |
| 06:46.36 | Amarande | someone can get into a raid with unenchanted and ungemmed gear just because they went on a shopping spree for 264 boe and honor gear to inflate it |
| 06:46.39 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: ZeniMax didn't always own Bethesda. I believe Bethesda self-published before, or used different publishers in a few cases. Lemme check... |
| 06:47.09 | Grum | what the proper 'gearscore' addon should do, is summ all the stats from the items and from that calculate a score which is relevant to the spec the person has at that particular moment |
| 06:47.13 | Arrowmaster | well i know zenimax was bethesdas publisher for a long time though |
| 06:47.19 | Amarande | meanwhile, I have PERFECTLY gemmed and enchanted gear with near-perfect itemization (I do have too much expertise, but it's hard to avoid as MDPS these days), and I only have a GS in the 5400-5500 range ... which would still exclude me from many raids |
| 06:47.23 | Amarande | fortunately, I have a regular ICC10 now |
| 06:47.27 | Grum | just one downside, stuff like procs will have to the throughly theorycrafted |
| 06:47.36 | Arrowmaster | i think a majority of TES was published by zenimax |
| 06:47.38 | Amarande | btw, does the battered hilt drop in the raids or just the 5-mans? |
| 06:47.45 | Grum | only 5m heroics iirc |
| 06:47.46 | Jerub | there's a correlation between people who know how to raid with people who gem/enchant properly. |
| 06:47.52 | rocode | 5-man PoS and FoS |
| 06:47.54 | rocode | IIRC |
| 06:47.55 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Yeah if you remember the olden days of Blizzard, they were split up into a publishing and development studio. Same with Bethesda -- Bethesda Game Studio and Bethesda Softworks. Now Bethesda Softworks only does development and acts as a brand label for ZeniMax. |
| 06:47.57 | rocode | Heroic |
| 06:48.00 | Amarande | rocode: think I might have seen it in HoR |
| 06:48.06 | Jerub | i also view people with pvp gear, bad gems, bad enchants with massive amounts of suspicion |
| 06:48.07 | rocode | Yea, those three |
| 06:48.10 | Grum | its 100% sure in HoR |
| 06:48.21 | rocode | lolwut? |
| 06:48.24 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, my warlock's gear is a wreck |
| 06:48.28 | Thrae | AFAIK, I believe Blizzard's self-publisher was Blizzard North? |
| 06:48.32 | rocode | I think not Grum |
| 06:48.33 | Amarande | I have to work on that when I send her through more heroics after I get back from DragonCon |
| 06:48.49 | Grum | rocode: euuh? its definately in heroic halls of reflection :D |
| 06:49.00 | Grum | i had it drop 6 times there on 1 clear |
| 06:49.00 | rocode | It is in there, but not 100% drop rate |
| 06:49.07 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: really? why do i remember people complaining when blizzard north was shut down if it was only a publisher |
| 06:49.07 | Grum | yeah doh |
| 06:49.09 | Amarande | anyway yeah, on my DPS DK, I pretty much always EG the group when I zone into an ICC5 to see if the tank is up to snuff |
| 06:49.12 | rocode | The RNG gods loved you |
| 06:49.14 | Grum | its just 100% sure to be *ABLE* to drop |
| 06:49.17 | Jerub | i think i've decided to forgo my potential 4T10 bonus until i get sanctified marks in my resto set |
| 06:49.20 | Grum | rocode: nah that was the first day |
| 06:49.28 | Grum | when the droprate was still insane |
| 06:49.32 | unfo- | Amarande, ok. I gotta check out this EG. ty for hint |
| 06:49.32 | Amarande | at my gear level, a bad tank could easily be me pulling aggro |
| 06:49.43 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Probably because that was the end of an era for Blizzard? |
| 06:49.44 | Amarande | especially if I'm trying to wail on a caster target that isn't the tank's main target, as skilled DKs are wont to do |
| 06:49.54 | Jerub | Amarande: in hor, pulling agro isn't the issue. the tank dying is the issue |
| 06:50.11 | Amarande | Jerub: if you, as plate dps, pull aggro, you essentially become the tank. then you die. ;) |
| 06:50.15 | Jerub | at current gear levels, he'll squish before you pull, provided he uses any kind of tanking rotation. |
| 06:50.15 | Grum | i'd say the healer getting trapped or silenced is the *real* issue in HoR :D |
| 06:50.31 | Amarande | at least, depending on mobs |
| 06:50.34 | rocode | I have yet to finish a HoR run successfully, and I am 5400GS and in ICC25 normal. |
| 06:50.39 | Amarande | I can pretty much solo an individual phantom mage |
| 06:50.41 | rocode | PuGs suck |
| 06:50.45 | Amarande | rocode: wow, your battlegroup must be fail |
| 06:50.46 | Grum | rocode: auch really? |
| 06:50.48 | Amarande | which battlegroup are you in? |
| 06:50.51 | rocode | Yea |
| 06:50.52 | rocode | Uh |
| 06:51.12 | Jerub | rocode: my warrior hasn't done HHoR yet, he's 4/12 icc25. |
| 06:51.12 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: NM, Blizzard North made Diablo and Diablo II. They were a different company until bought by Blizzard, pre-Vivendi. |
| 06:51.17 | Amarande | I've really only had one HHoR run go south, and that was because the tank was an idiot |
| 06:51.28 | Jerub | er, 4/12 icc10 |
| 06:51.30 | Amarande | I'm not sure HOW the tank could have been such an idiot, seeing as he had 59.7k HP ... |
| 06:51.34 | Amarande | but yeah, he was an idiot |
| 06:51.35 | rocode | Laughing Skull, in Vindication |
| 06:51.47 | Amarande | he kept kiting mobs all over the place, then whining I was only doing 2.5k DPS |
| 06:51.48 | zenzio | skill is not related to HP |
| 06:52.03 | Jerub | i tank norm hor in the open on my warrior |
| 06:52.03 | Grum | oh btw, food for thought, the 'oldskool' raidachievements for the guild; if you were to clear Molten Core with 3 people just of your guild,w ould it could towards the 'guild grouped cleared' ? because they did set a limit of 20/25 people (orso) had to be from your guild for it to count as a 'guildachievement' |
| 06:52.12 | Jerub | i rely on skill and stuns to do it instead of that stupid LOS crap. |
| 06:52.18 | Amarande | well yeah, let's see, I'm a frost DK, my DPS tends to require me to be able to 1) stay in fucking melee and 2) tends to be much better when mobs are close together so I can take advantage of pestilence and howling blast ... |
| 06:52.21 | zenzio | Jerub: I do that in heroic |
| 06:52.29 | zenzio | if they can't deal with it they're welcome to replace me |
| 06:52.29 | rocode | Grum, no, it just has to be 70% of the raid |
| 06:52.36 | Jerub | zenzio: *nod* |
| 06:52.40 | rocode | So, if you have five people doing MC, 4/5 |
| 06:52.44 | Jerub | on my bear, i LOS because i just hit swipe lots |
| 06:52.45 | unfo- | Jerub, skill? What's that? |
| 06:52.46 | Grum | rocode: so if your raid is 4 people and 3 are guild its ok? |
| 06:52.48 | Amarande | anyway, he pulled mobs ALL OVER THE PLACE for no apparent good reason |
| 06:52.51 | rocode | Yep |
| 06:52.55 | Grum | kk excellent |
| 06:53.06 | zenzio | Amarande: ouch |
| 06:53.07 | Grum | churning out some old instances after i ding 85 |
| 06:53.12 | Amarande | zenzio: yes, ouch. |
| 06:53.16 | Grum | after grinding heroics obviously for gear |
| 06:53.20 | rocode | Grum, what server you on? |
| 06:53.30 | Grum | pve, emerald dream, eu |
| 06:53.31 | Jerub | so they've changed it so there's a weekly cap instead of 2/day for badges? |
| 06:53.32 | Amarande | zenzio: we eventually wiped on wave 8 or 9 and disbanded |
| 06:53.34 | rocode | Ah |
| 06:53.45 | Amarande | because, eventually, we didn't have the DPS since I was far stronger than the other two if I recall |
| 06:53.46 | Jerub | or is it weekly limit + 2 /day? |
| 06:54.10 | Amarande | and because of the tank's idiotic placement of mobs I was exposed in the open after the previous wave, and several mobs in the wave we wiped on acquired *me* instead of the tank |
| 06:54.11 | zenzio | I'm not much of an alt person, but I have had the odd 70/80 that I decided to go instance with... only did like five runs total before I couldn't take it anymore; I could never understand what the tanks were doing. Much prefer playing my tank :-p |
| 06:54.12 | Grum | huuummmz will the 3.9 patch add the guild-achievement stuff? |
| 06:54.14 | Amarande | then I got shot in the back a number of times and died |
| 06:54.17 | rocode | I am operating two guilds for my retail guild, both level five ATM, one alliance Lost Isles, one Horde Gilneas |
| 06:54.22 | Amarande | before failbear could pick up aggro |
| 06:54.35 | rocode | Grum, I am wondering what the pre patches are going to add too. |
| 06:54.37 | Grum | rocode: aah ok, just curious for the 'real world' :D |
| 06:54.54 | rocode | ? |
| 06:54.58 | rocode | Oh |
| 06:54.59 | rocode | Yea |
| 06:55.10 | Grum | rocode: the thing is, right now at maxlvl your gear is 'best you can get' when you can be lvl85 the rescaling of the combatlevels also kicks in and you are fucked over :D |
| 06:55.25 | Grum | so when 3.9 hits it would be really nice if it had guildachievments so you could trivially run the old instances quickly :D |
| 06:55.29 | Amarande | otoh, on non ICC5 heroics I really don't worry about pulling aggro |
| 06:55.30 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: From a little research, it seems "Blizzard North" was an official division and there was no "Blizzard South" or whatever. Just Blizzard and Blizzard North. They were owned at the time by Davidson & Associates and I very much doubt they used their name as the publisher (even though they were the publisher), so that's why we think of Blizzard as being semi-independant until Vivendi. |
| 06:55.54 | Amarande | mainly because things die too quickly on TOC5 for it to be much of a problem, and on pre-TOC heroics I can probably pretty much tank them in my DPS gear anyway this far down the line :P |
| 06:56.09 | Grum | Amarande: well some places are more scary than others, think of those last couple of packs in draktheron, those packs of 4-5, dont accidently get 2-3 of those on you =) |
| 06:56.11 | Amarande | hell, I tanked a HUGE pull in Drak'Tharon Keep normal as DPS in DPS gear when I was leveling |
| 06:56.23 | Grum | on heroic at least :D |
| 06:56.26 | Grum | Amarande: hehe |
| 06:56.26 | Amarande | because the real tank went down and if I can try to save a wipe I will |
| 06:56.36 | Grum | :) |
| 06:56.42 | Grum | 'equip shield' ? :P |
| 06:56.45 | Amarande | I even came really really close to saving the party against Tyrannus when the tank went down ... so I can probably almost tank ICC5 |
| 06:56.46 | Grum | (or you a DK?) |
| 06:56.48 | Amarande | DK |
| 06:56.53 | Grum | frost presence! :D |
| 06:57.00 | rocode | I haved tanked a stray mod that came after the healers before. It was epic. =) |
| 06:57.03 | Amarande | yeah, I popped frost presence and ran dark command almost on instinct |
| 06:57.07 | rocode | mod -> mob |
| 06:57.19 | Amarande | I think if the healer had been just a little better we'd have made it ... sub 90k wipe IIRC |
| 06:57.40 | rocode | HoT'd myself up, barkskin + nature's grasp, and dropped into bear. |
| 06:57.55 | Thrae | Blizzard's ownership went Davidson->CUC International->Cendant->Havas->Vivendi, and then finally became Activision Blizzard. Note this also includes Sierra On-Line. Never knew that. |
| 06:58.14 | rocode | Tribes II, may you rest in peace. |
| 06:58.17 | rocode | bows head |
| 06:58.42 | Thrae | Also, one of Blizzard's owners, Cendant, was into heavy fraud and lost 80% of its stock before everything went French as they sold some of their gaming division to Havas. |
| 06:58.51 | Amarande | actually on that same HPoS run |
| 06:58.53 | Jerub | rocode: i was really confused about barkskin for a long time. |
| 06:59.10 | Amarande | (yes, that was on HEROIC that I almost successfully tanked Tyrannus in a at that point 4-man group ...) |
| 06:59.24 | Amarande | I *did in fact* tank the miniboss at the middle of the ice tunnel leading to Tyrannus |
| 06:59.41 | Jerub | rocode: i thought it was only usable for casters, so when i was bear tanking i would only use it as "oh god healer died" barksin -> /tar healer /cast rebirth -> *bearform* |
| 06:59.48 | Thrae | Blizzard's earliest publisher was Interplay. |
| 06:59.56 | rocode | Haha |
| 06:59.58 | rocode | Yea |
| 07:00.05 | rocode | I tranquility healed old kingdom when I got stuck outside of the last boss circle |
| 07:00.07 | Jerub | Amarande: i nearly oomed on tyrannus the other day. tnak didn't know to tank on ice, and top dps was d/c. |
| 07:00.26 | rocode | We finished the boss with everyone below 30% health |
| 07:00.31 | rocode | I was so proud. |
| 07:00.50 | Amarande | anyway, like I said, I don't worry much about pulling if I'm in a pre-TOC heroic, though |
| 07:00.54 | Amarande | since I can probably just tank those |
| 07:01.11 | Amarande | I'm actually tempted to start queuing as tank once I'm already locked out to TOC5 and all three ICC5 on a given day |
| 07:01.24 | Jerub | just get a tank set |
| 07:01.29 | Amarande | working on it |
| 07:01.33 | Amarande | I'm nowhere near def cap in it yet though |
| 07:01.40 | rocode | Got four sets on my druid. <_< |
| 07:01.47 | Jerub | Amarande: oh, for reference, on the tyrannus fight, this was my gear: http://elitistarmory.com/US/Dath%27Remar/Brandi |
| 07:01.54 | Jerub | i haven't oomed since ony was new content. |
| 07:02.15 | Thrae | The only time I had a PoS Heroic group wipe on Tyrranus and it was totally my fault was when Tyrranus wouldn't get off his damn Rimfang. So I wiped the group. |
| 07:02.35 | Amarande | Thrae: that's a bug |
| 07:02.39 | rocode | Glitched it? |
| 07:02.40 | rocode | Yea |
| 07:02.45 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure why they don't fix it |
| 07:02.53 | Thrae | Amarande: Yeah I heard they fixed it...they didn |
| 07:02.53 | Jerub | everyone says "don't glitch it" every time i do that instance on my battlegroup |
| 07:02.56 | Thrae | Amarande: Yeah I heard they fixed it...they didn't? |
| 07:03.01 | Amarande | Thrae: Nope. |
| 07:03.07 | rocode | Not as far as I know. |
| 07:03.08 | Thrae | Amarande: Do we at least know what causes it? |
| 07:03.11 | Amarande | unless the bug actually doesn't happen 100%, and Blizzard's bug testers get a CNR every time they try it |
| 07:03.22 | rocode | Thrae, attempting to attack him before the 45second combat mark |
| 07:03.28 | Amarande | Thrae: it seems to happen a large percentage of the time if Tyrannus is attacked before he takes the first swing at the tank |
| 07:03.46 | Thrae | Hmmm, OK. That might be difficult to prevent with damaging auras. |
| 07:03.50 | rocode | Since combat starts at 43-44 seconds, there is a small window. |
| 07:03.54 | Thrae | (Unless you know about the bug.) |
| 07:03.56 | Amarande | I'm not sure if that "large" percentage is 100. |
| 07:04.07 | Amarande | It might not be, and that might be why Blizzard can't reproduce it reliably enough to get a fix. |
| 07:04.35 | Thrae | I've also seen Tyrannus multiple times jump down, then jump back up, then jump down again. That COULD be a "sanity check" in the script to force him to face us ;) |
| 07:05.10 | Amarande | It's a REAL pain in the ass when it glitches, since there's only two ways out of it |
| 07:05.24 | Amarande | either you wait for everyone to get killed by Rimefang, or you have to run *all the way out of the damn instance* |
| 07:05.43 | Thrae | I HEAR going in the cave resets it, but I didn't believe that so I just wiped the group as I was pretty sure that'd do it. |
| 07:05.46 | Amarande | which generally isn't at all quick, because most people leave a couple of critical mob groups alive so you can't just run directly to exit |
| 07:06.00 | Amarande | however, if everyone gets out of the instance or is dead, yeah that fixes it |
| 07:06.09 | Thrae | Yeah, like that Necromancer group near the entrance. |
| 07:06.19 | Amarande | heh when I see that happen, I generally pop unholy presence and start heading back down the cave :) |
| 07:07.24 | Thrae | Anyway, since the tank is the one who obviously gets first strike, that's probably why I haven't seen it overy often -- I'm usually the tank and after the glitch happened once aI *always* wait for him to strilke ME |
| 07:07.42 | Amarande | Hunters seem to screw it up most often. :P |
| 07:07.59 | Thrae | Misdirect is NOT a pull |
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| 07:08.15 | Amarande | Thrae: ehh, I'm not sure how specifically it relates to MD |
| 07:08.32 | Thrae | Amarande: I remember QQ'ing about something on beta about MD |
| 07:08.34 | Amarande | probably more the fact that hunters are a ranged class with instant attacks |
| 07:08.46 | Amarande | of course, so are DKs, but I rarely seem to meet up with other DPS DK's in 5's and I know better |
| 07:08.58 | rocode | Threa: They took out volley, and now we expect multi-shot MDs |
| 07:09.13 | Thrae | rocode: Bwahaha |
| 07:09.14 | Amarande | in fact, I'm starting to wonder if I'm one of really few DKs who stick to a DPS mainspec |
| 07:09.41 | Thrae | Amarande: As a Tank, I meet a lot of DPS DKs. As a Healer, I meet few DK Tanks. |
| 07:09.41 | Amarande | almost all the other ones I run into are tanks |
| 07:09.56 | Amarande | I think we have an unholy DPS DK in our regular raid group now |
| 07:09.59 | Jerub | <redacted> She asked me to burn CDs for her |
| 07:10.02 | Amarande | but that's the only one I really meet up with often |
| 07:10.06 | Jerub | "cooldowns? what happend?" |
| 07:10.28 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DilbertDailyStrip/~3/lHhfTQP6C3U/ |
| 07:10.40 | Amarande | btw, about that guild achievement thing |
| 07:10.48 | Amarande | if you solo, does your guild get credit since you're 100% of it? |
| 07:11.04 | Amarande | of the 'dungeon group' that is |
| 07:11.07 | Thrae | 100% of...soloing? |
| 07:11.27 | Amarande | Thrae: I mean, if you solo a dungeon, does it count as a guild achievement run because you're the only one there, and of course being from your guild, your guild is 100% of the group? |
| 07:11.39 | Amarande | or do you have to drag someone along to have it count? |
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| 07:11.49 | Thrae | Amarande: Unless they make a special exception, probably |
| 07:12.21 | Thrae | AFAIK Blizzard usually sees people in instances meant for parties as a Party of 1 |
| 07:12.36 | Amarande | yeah, so probably |
| 07:12.45 | Amarande | although there *are* some game mechanics that seem to be ignored when there's only one person |
| 07:12.46 | Amarande | like MC |
| 07:12.56 | Amarande | in fact, I'm not even sure Blackheart the Inciter uses his MC if you're solo without a pet |
| 07:13.13 | Jerub | Amarande: you couldn't solo ZG without multiple people because of MC |
| 07:13.17 | Jerub | not that it matters anymore |
| 07:13.34 | Amarande | (I'm not entirely sure since I was pulling almost 6000 DPS on him and thus I may just have burned him down before the first MC timer ... my DBM doesn't run in pre-WotLK instances) |
| 07:14.05 | Thrae | Amarande: There are banned MC targets in newer instances, but I'm not sure about those old ones |
| 07:14.23 | Amarande | Yeah I actually flasked when I was soloing shadow labs since it was the first 70 I'd tried to solo, I remembered it being one of the harder ones AT 70, and I wasn't sure how hard it would be |
| 07:14.36 | Amarande | especially since I was running in DPS gear, I probably wouldn't take such precautions if I was in tank gear |
| 07:14.51 | Amarande | I'm taking my guild's best healer with me when I do MgT, just to be sure |
| 07:15.21 | Amarande | Thrae: actually, blackheart wouldn't matter in terms of resetting anyway - since he MC's all anyhow |
| 07:15.24 | rocode | I am currently doing a daily run for the ravenlord mount with my guilds MT, and we are boned if he gets MC'd. Fun times trying to focus down the totem on my part. |
| 07:15.36 | Amarande | but I'm not sure whether he does it or not when you're solo, since I forget how long the timer was |
| 07:15.46 | Amarande | rocode: you might want to wear PvP gear for that :) |
| 07:15.57 | rocode | I do. ;) |
| 07:18.11 | Amarande | also, does anyone know EXACTLY what the rule is for whether Sindy will or will not choose someone as an iceblock beacon target? |
| 07:18.25 | Amarande | we THOUGHT last night that it was 40K HP and up don't get targeted |
| 07:18.38 | Amarande | but we tried having a DK who was close equip some pvp gear to push himself over and he still got targeted every now and then |
| 07:19.03 | Amarande | and btw, does this mean that Kingslayer pretty much is a title you can never get at 85 in Cata? |
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| 07:19.22 | Amarande | (regardless of whether or not they leave it in as gettable, I'm not sure if 80 raid titles will be, they took out the 70 ones when 3.0 hit after all) |
| 07:19.35 | Amarande | main reason I wonder if Kingslayer will be impossible to get at 85: |
| 07:19.41 | Amarande | to get KS, you have to beat LK, which means you have to beat Sindy |
| 07:20.03 | Amarande | against Sindy, it *appears anyway*, that she will only target people with less than a certain max HP for iceblock (probably to avoid targeting tanks and making it nigh impossible) |
| 07:20.28 | Amarande | at 85, EVERYONE will probably have more than that, so no one will ever get iceblocked and there will be no way to block the air phase ice explosions or the stacking debuff in P2 |
| 07:20.58 | Amarande | which to me kinda suggests you're gonna die, unless half the raid is healers (and then where's your DPS) |
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| 07:21.54 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/08/31/demotivational-posters-bono-2/ |
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| 07:21.58 | Amarande | although ... like I said, now we're not sure if we're mistaken on there being an HP threshold, or if it's something else |
| 07:22.05 | Amarande | since someone had over 40k and still got targeted for ice tomb |
| 07:22.30 | Amarande | after all, for quite a while we thought that BQL always bit whoever was just below the offtank |
| 07:22.30 | zenzio | could be just checking spec/class or something else smart |
| 07:23.47 | Amarande | it's also sometimes boggling how fast BQL goes down, too |
| 07:23.53 | Amarande | seeing as she has the second highest HP of any boss in the game right now |
| 07:24.02 | Amarande | (on any given mode, that is) |
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| 07:24.36 | jnwhiteh | Anyone here have suggestions of VPS/CLoud providers? |
| 07:24.47 | rocode | I can personally recommend Linode. |
| 07:24.57 | Amarande | The only boss with more HP than BQL on any given mode is LK. |
| 07:25.07 | Amarande | I'm surprised even Halion doesn't have more, though I'm not wishing for it. :) |
| 07:25.13 | rocode | We host 300 VPSs with them. Pretty awesome service and Xen tools |
| 07:25.17 | Amarande | The less time I have to spend with fucking Crash Bandicoot mechanics, the better. :P |
| 07:25.27 | Amarande | If I wanted Crash Bandicoot boss fight mechanics I WOULD PLAY CRASH BANDICOOT, DAMMIT. |
| 07:25.34 | rocode | Hahaha |
| 07:25.47 | rocode | I like the movement. Brings out my advantages as a druid healer. |
| 07:25.56 | zenzio | to me boss health always seemed linked to what sort of other stuff is going on... got to do lots of crap? Lower HP. Tank and spank? High HP |
| 07:26.00 | jnwhiteh | rocode: yeah, I cna as well |
| 07:26.01 | Amarande | rocode: as I said earlier, twilight cutter is practically a ripoff of the uka uka/aku aku fight beam thing from the cortex fight in Crash 3 |
| 07:26.02 | jnwhiteh | been very happy |
| 07:26.12 | jnwhiteh | but people keep moaning about how awesome rackspace is |
| 07:26.20 | Amarande | I guess I probably shouldn't complain about oops-yer-dead attacks though |
| 07:26.24 | Amarande | I tend to be fond of them in my own game design |
| 07:26.45 | Amarande | I have a particular boss idea floating through my head that's probably going to make players scream if I ever implement it |
| 07:26.48 | Amarande | ok, imagine WoW like boss |
| 07:27.09 | Amarande | P1. Boss summons a couple of fire elemental looking thingies. Then goes immune, but what damage is dealt to the elementals goes through to him too. |
| 07:27.37 | rocode | Sorry, but you will never reach the evil that Infocom did. |
| 07:27.38 | Amarande | These elementals select a target -at random- and will obsessively pursue that one target, leaving behind trails of don't-stand-in-the-shit behind them. |
| 07:27.59 | zenzio | sounds like that boss in Mechanar |
| 07:28.03 | Amarande | Their melee is a one shot kill to most anything, and if it kills its selected target it'll just attack whatever's closest after that (so basically if it reaches and hits the target, you wipe the raid.) |
| 07:28.03 | rocode | Moving DPS? |
| 07:28.26 | Amarande | Meanwhile, the boss does nothing but throw zones of super mega don't-stand-in-the-shit at random spots in the battle area. |
| 07:28.36 | Amarande | Once the elementals go down, P2. |
| 07:29.01 | Amarande | P2 moves: Still puts down zones of mega don't stand in it, also throws bolt volleys, and individual bolts. Also has a teleport, which drops aggro. |
| 07:29.06 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: still want the VPS? |
| 07:29.10 | jnwhiteh | It's renewal time :P |
| 07:29.20 | Amarande | P2 persists for rest of boss's HP. |
| 07:29.21 | Amarande | You'd probably hate that boss, wouldn't you. :) |
| 07:29.33 | Amarande | Even if it DIDN'T have an enrage timer, you can probably see how you can't afford to let it go on too long too :) |
| 07:29.51 | rocode | Not really. Engineer for boots of speed, ranged on the elements. |
| 07:29.52 | zenzio | sounds like a combination of the fire-woman in Mechanar and Noth |
| 07:30.04 | zenzio | and a little Illidan |
| 07:30.19 | Amarande | (Eventually, the boss would probably throw down a damage zone, teleport right into it, and then start throwing bolt volleys at you till you die, and there's nothing you can do about it because you can't bring a tank in, since he's IN THE DAMAGE ZONE ...) |
| 07:30.33 | Amarande | and of course he dropped aggro when he teleported so the current tank's not on him either ;) |
| 07:30.47 | Amarande | not to mention with that description the only thing that even CAN be tanked is the single bolt in P2 :) |
| 07:31.05 | zenzio | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1043571614/no-questions-asked |
| 07:31.10 | Amarande | (Oh yeah, I did mention that the fixated chaser fire elementals are immune to taunt, didn't I? :D) |
| 07:31.55 | Amarande | zenzio: how many attempts do you think the average raid would take against a boss like that before the inevitable interfacing of mice and screens? :) |
| 07:31.56 | rocode | zenzio: I see your clients from hell, and raise you: http://notalwaysright.com |
| 07:32.13 | zenzio | rocode: they're both good |
| 07:32.59 | zenzio | Amarande: don't know, I don't really care about average raids :-p I think the idea sounds interesting, but can't shake the similarity between the chasing fire elementals and the Mechanar boss |
| 07:33.09 | Amarande | oh god Sepethrea |
| 07:33.17 | Amarande | we skipped that woman almost every time we did H Mech back in BC |
| 07:33.26 | Amarande | (for some reason, Mech was one of the very very few heroics I ever got to see multiple times) |
| 07:33.41 | Amarande | I HATED those fire elementals |
| 07:33.49 | Amarande | couldn't even banish the damn things, what was the point of being a warlock :( |
| 07:34.25 | Amarande | then there was calculator, who sucked almost as bad, mostly because there were only two of us we could afford to let be MC'd (which seems to be random) and I was one of them :( |
| 07:34.56 | Amarande | like ... if the rogue got MC'd, we died because he'd kill all of us |
| 07:35.01 | zenzio | Mechanar was tedious but interesting |
| 07:35.06 | Amarande | if the healer got MC'd, we died because we didn't have any healing |
| 07:35.22 | Amarande | if the tank got MC'd I think we died somehow there too (I think the tank was really well geared so she always killed us then) |
| 07:35.47 | Amarande | if I got MC'd well ... I was an aff lock, it's not like I had mega burst or anything |
| 07:36.55 | zenzio | healer being MCd was troublesome, but in my groups the small elemental spawns were usually the bigger problem o_O |
| 07:36.59 | Amarande | zenzio: yeah, now imagine if sepethrea dropped void zones, was immune to damage while the elementals were up, and the elementals one-shot-killed anything they hit and couldn't be tanked at all :) |
| 07:37.06 | Amarande | and was a raid boss. |
| 07:37.45 | Amarande | and I'm not thinking normal void zones either here, I'm thinking 11,000+ damage a second void zones |
| 07:38.02 | Amarande | basically like LK's defile, except it doesn't spread when it hits something |
| 07:38.28 | Amarande | I suppose my boss idea would be pretty fun for groups that had trouble getting tanks though |
| 07:38.36 | Amarande | seeing as tanks are pretty much useless :) |
| 07:38.55 | Amarande | (*have* there been bosses in WoW before where there's no point to even having a tank?) |
| 07:39.47 | Amarande | I guess there might have been ... if there's anything that uses all or nearly all magic damage (thus armor doesn't really help) and does a lot of AoE and/or volleys (which are going to hit several people no matter what) |
| 07:40.11 | Amarande | Oh yeah. FIRE ELEMENTALS. Don't think you can tank them with your armor capped tank if he's chosen as a target. ;) |
| 07:40.38 | Amarande | (elementals still generally ignore armor with their melee hits don't they?) |
| 07:41.30 | Amarande | ... maybe I should start the next Shin Megami Tensei level difficulty series. :) |
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| 07:45.35 | Amarande | actually, I guess if I created a game engine and a whole series at all it probably would be nintendo hard like that |
| 07:45.45 | Amarande | since I tend to go rather overboard on the sadism when it comes to boss battle design :| |
| 07:46.09 | Amarande | by the time I create a boss battle people will probably be wishing they were fighting Mishaguji, and that's saying something. :) |
| 07:46.37 | zenzio | "http://us.battle.net.safe-wowloginadmin.com/"... right |
| 07:47.10 | mitch0 | oh noes, I clickered! |
| 07:47.17 | Amarande | zenzio: heh, one wonders why we bother protecting people from things like that |
| 07:47.26 | Amarande | if people are dumb enough to click on things like that, do we really want them in our raid? |
| 07:47.30 | Fisker | The best part is when they do something like "account related stuff, visit www.omgpl0xcataclysmbetanao.com" |
| 07:47.38 | Amarande | better they get stripped of all their stuff and not be able to raid with us. :) |
| 07:47.46 | zenzio | well, the link *text* says something else, but I would hope people check where links *actually* go |
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| 07:48.26 | zenzio | I actually view all my WoW scam mail just to see what new funky domains they're using |
| 07:48.26 | Amarande | the sad thing is some very legitimate businesspeople are probably making money hand over fist from this too and having to live with the dirty money, probably not even knowing they're getting it till it's already been spent on company bills :( |
| 07:48.37 | Amarande | all the domain registrars, mainly |
| 07:48.46 | Jamash | zomg addons in beta zomg? |
| 07:48.56 | rocode | CNR |
| 07:49.03 | rocode | ./script works though |
| 07:49.11 | zenzio | CNR? |
| 07:49.19 | Jamash | could not reproduce? |
| 07:49.20 | rocode | Could not reproduce. |
| 07:49.23 | Jamash | I win |
| 07:49.23 | zenzio | ah |
| 07:49.25 | Amarande | and MEANWHILE |
| 07:49.32 | Amarande | the economy is probably taking on even more water from these hackers |
| 07:49.40 | Fisker | that's what you said last night rocode |
| 07:49.40 | Amarande | since they probably use stolen credit cards to buy the domains with |
| 07:49.43 | Fisker | TO YOUR GIRLFRIEND |
| 07:49.44 | Fisker | BAM |
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| 07:50.08 | rocode | I used to have a girlfriend, but I accidently overwrote my MBR. |
| 07:50.09 | Amarande | and I do believe it's the credit industry (read: the very industry that's hurting like hell right now) that gets stuck holding the bag for that |
| 07:50.10 | rocode | BAM |
| 07:50.16 | Jamash | hi-fives Fisker while a drug lord's luxury yacht explodes in the background. |
| 07:50.51 | Jamash | my launcher is grimmer and edgier now |
| 07:50.59 | rocode | Indeed. |
| 07:51.03 | Fisker | the new launcher is awesome |
| 07:51.09 | rocode | It still has the same bugs as the old one, though |
| 07:51.24 | Amarande | Jamash: "darker and edgier" |
| 07:51.32 | Amarande | check TV Tropes and get it right :) |
| 07:51.33 | rocode | Purely costmetic update. |
| 07:52.15 | rocode | TV Tropes is starting to affect my life. My D&D group is used to me using tropes in regular vocabulary now. |
| 07:52.44 | Amarande | rocode: I almost linked the Schmuck Bait entry when we were talking about those scam domains |
| 07:53.05 | Amarande | other things that qualify as Schmuck Bait: any ore node in certain places in icecrown zone, if your miner is a cloth wearer. |
| 07:53.06 | Jamash | You only need to worry when they start recognizing individual SCP #s |
| 07:53.40 | Amarande | "cool, ore!" *mine mine INTERRUPTED* "crap I'm swarmed" *sqoosh* |
| 07:53.54 | Amarande | and aff is not THAT much more survivable than destro. :( |
| 07:54.09 | Jamash | souls for the soul god |
| 07:54.10 | Amarande | not against swarm attack from 8-9 level 80 mobs at once |
| 07:54.25 | Amarande | also: now I'm remembering what I really hated about aff in WotLK :( |
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| 07:54.43 | Amarande | the changes to drain soul |
| 07:54.50 | Amarande | I don't have a 32 slot soul bag ... OMG TOO MANY SHARDS |
| 07:55.20 | Amarande | seems like an abyssal bag is almost mandatory to be sane as an aff lock in wotlk |
| 07:55.35 | Amarande | plus having to hear the "I can't carry any more" voice clip almost every pull |
| 07:56.01 | Jamash | shards for the shard throne |
| 07:56.13 | zenzio | probably linked already: http://theoatmeal.com/blog/apps |
| 07:56.22 | Amarande | though at least they limited them to 32 |
| 07:56.33 | Amarande | otherwise, eventually you end up with more souls than are contained in frostmourne by the end of an instance |
| 07:57.07 | Amarande | (btw, is it indeed frostmourne that is why the lich king is indestructible, and not any of his other gear or inherent talents?) |
| 07:57.11 | zenzio | voice clip? Don't you turn off error speech? |
| 07:57.14 | Jamash | FROSTMOURNE HUNGERS |
| 07:57.29 | zenzio | error speech is like the first setting I changed after I started WoW |
| 07:57.31 | zenzio | NOT ENOUGH RAGE |
| 07:57.32 | Amarande | we only got LK down to 75%, so I didn't see any of the story stuff after the initial stuff |
| 07:57.33 | zenzio | NEED MORE RAGE |
| 07:57.37 | Jamash | wtb servers |
| 07:58.17 | Fisker | We have done some researches on clients' database recently. According to our data you have not used your DAEMON Tools software since the purchase date. |
| 07:58.21 | Fisker | damn your research sucks |
| 07:58.27 | Amarande | (only had time for one att, and the hunter started the event before our RL was done explaining ... though granted we were expecting to wipe anyway and were just there to have a look and see how it worked, it was late late monday night already and we didn't have time to really put serious attempts in) |
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| 07:58.37 | Jamash | so I just found out today that Zazzle has officially licensed star wars and DC shirts |
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| 07:58.49 | Amarande | Fisker: heh. most gamers' response to that would be pretty simple |
| 07:59.06 | Jamash | I'm mulling over getting a "I'm the goddamn BATMAN" shirt |
| 07:59.07 | Amarande | "I have not used my DAEMON Tools software since the purchase date because MOST OF MY DAMN GAMES HAVE STUPID SECURITY DRM FEATURES THAT WON'T LET ME" |
| 07:59.27 | Amarande | given that most of the popular copy protection schemes seem to refuse to let shit run if Daemon Tools is practically even INSTALLED? |
| 07:59.32 | Fisker | shit get cracked anyway |
| 07:59.38 | Fisker | i just use it for image mounting |
| 07:59.52 | Amarande | that would be like a raid leader saying |
| 08:00.14 | Amarande | "hi, you have a piece of PvP gear in your bank. no, you can't raid with us, because you might make a bad gear decision for this raid!" |
| 08:00.21 | Jamash | that reminds me I need to uninstall virtual CD |
| 08:00.53 | Amarande | so will cata be available for digital purchase on release day or am I going to have to go to suckstop or walfart again? :| |
| 08:01.01 | Jamash | I dunno |
| 08:01.22 | Fisker | if it will be it'll likely be delayed like with SC2 |
| 08:01.36 | Amarande | (since sadly the video game store right next to where I work doesn't do PC) |
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| 08:01.47 | Jamash | burn them to the ground |
| 08:01.47 | Fisker | game store? |
| 08:01.48 | mitch0 | gotta reward the suckers who raid the shops at night :P |
| 08:01.48 | Fisker | not pc? |
| 08:01.55 | Fisker | must be a gay store then |
| 08:02.00 | Amarande | Fisker: it's a play-n-trade, I'm not sure if any of them do PC |
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| 08:02.05 | Jamash | pee on the ashes |
| 08:02.09 | Amarande | although for some reason they had a copy of aion there once |
| 08:02.19 | Amarande | heh. I get email regularly trying to steal my aion account |
| 08:02.20 | Fisker | i'm a huge sucker mitch0 |
| 08:02.28 | Fisker | i bought tbc and ce |
| 08:02.31 | Fisker | and wotlk and cd |
| 08:02.33 | Fisker | ce* |
| 08:02.39 | Amarande | here, scammers ... you can have my aion account, along with my shadowmourne, my lamborghini and my collection of priceless Ming vases |
| 08:02.43 | Jamash | if I had an aion account they'd be free to have it |
| 08:02.47 | Kalroth | <Fisker> i'm a huge sucker <- redundant! |
| 08:03.11 | Amarande | would add to that, but Don't Explain the Joke after all. :) |
| 08:03.38 | Fisker | i solved a problem Kalroth |
| 08:03.41 | Fisker | because people are stupid |
| 08:03.56 | Jamash | I also have tbc-ce and wotlk-ce |
| 08:03.59 | Amarande | Fisker: you can't solve people being stupid |
| 08:04.00 | Fisker | they were like "Lets use one of our layer 3 switches as the gateway" |
| 08:04.01 | Jamash | and sc2-ce |
| 08:04.08 | Amarande | there is no [Don't Suck] talent |
| 08:04.23 | Fisker | and they were like "Lets not setup a gateway or routing on the switch so it knows where to send unknown packets" |
| 08:04.25 | Amarande | although there seem to be plenty of [If You Put Points Here Then You Are a Noob] talents |
| 08:04.29 | Fisker | Then i were like "tsk" |
| 08:04.44 | Amarande | heh, and even enchants that are totally worthless, no matter the build, even ones that have unique names that sound like blizzard intended them to be useful |
| 08:04.56 | Jamash | who uses * Slayer |
| 08:04.56 | Amarande | for instance, lifeward. I EG'd someone who used lifeward ... it said "! Enchant (Always bad enchant)" :) |
| 08:05.52 | Amarande | what did slayer do again? |
| 08:05.58 | Amarande | I can't even remember what lifeward does, either, except apparently suck |
| 08:06.02 | Jamash | like demon slayer, beast slayer |
| 08:06.04 | Kalroth | beast slayer! |
| 08:06.06 | Amarande | oh, those |
| 08:06.10 | Amarande | never seen them used either |
| 08:06.11 | Jamash | it's just attack power vs creature type |
| 08:07.01 | mitch0 | but they have nice glow :) |
| 08:07.06 | Amarande | although I've been slowly trying to acquire every enchant on my chanter |
| 08:07.09 | Amarande | since I love to collect recipes |
| 08:07.13 | Amarande | assuming the price is right |
| 08:07.15 | Amarande | btw |
| 08:07.34 | Amarande | ZG enchants: beta people, are these going away with ZG or are they being put on enchanting trainers? |
| 08:07.41 | Jamash | good question |
| 08:07.55 | mitch0 | ZG is going away? |
| 08:08.04 | Amarande | mitch: it's being changed from an instance to a regular zone |
| 08:08.04 | Jamash | zg is going away as a raid instance |
| 08:08.28 | mitch0 | uhm. what about MC? |
| 08:08.32 | Jamash | just ZG |
| 08:08.48 | mitch0 | so MC stays 40 player 60 raid? |
| 08:08.50 | Amarande | pretty sure all the blackrock instances are still there |
| 08:08.54 | Amarande | and still as they were |
| 08:09.08 | Fisker | mitch0 |
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| 08:09.11 | Amarande | also: is the shared 10/25 lockout going to be retroactive to LK instances or only for 85 raids? |
| 08:09.17 | Fisker | MC isn't an outside instance |
| 08:09.29 | Jamash | Does it matter? |
| 08:09.32 | Fisker | yes |
| 08:09.40 | Jamash | about the lockout |
| 08:09.50 | Fisker | They're too lazy to develop tech so people can't access the "old zg" so it's easier to just scrap it |
| 08:09.51 | Fisker | oh |
| 08:09.53 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:10.02 | Amarande | hmm, other outside instances: any word on ZF, Stratholme, or ZA? |
| 08:10.20 | Jamash | last I checked strat had a no fly zone |
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| 08:10.47 | Fisker | TBC areas aren't flying yet i believe, strat you can't get back there anyway, and don't know about ZF |
| 08:11.04 | Amarande | and are deadmines and sfk the only ones getting heroics? |
| 08:11.09 | Fisker | yes |
| 08:11.13 | Amarande | *sigh* :( |
| 08:11.18 | Fisker | atleast what they've told |
| 08:11.19 | Amarande | wtb heroic scholomance :( |
| 08:11.30 | Jamash | oh please no |
| 08:11.33 | Amarande | easily one of my favorite instances ever and it gets no love |
| 08:11.35 | Fisker | scholomance sucks |
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| 08:11.53 | Jamash | I want heroic stockades just so we can have heroic hogger |
| 08:11.54 | Fisker | i wish they could just make scaling instances |
| 08:11.57 | Amarande | (really ... what other instance has that combination of size and dark gloomy atmosphere of that sort ... maybe Kara? that's about it) |
| 08:12.17 | Amarande | Jamash: heroic stockades so I can actually queue for stocks at 85 and not have to PvP to get the damn classic dungeonmaster achievement? |
| 08:12.26 | Jamash | heh |
| 08:12.35 | Jamash | hero points have been renamed justice points |
| 08:13.06 | Amarande | also with the revamp of stocks (since hogger's going into jail, for instance) |
| 08:13.10 | Amarande | will it ACTUALLY DROP LOOT NOW? |
| 08:13.20 | Amarande | god, that annoyed me on my alliance character in the 20s |
| 08:13.29 | Jamash | so they say |
| 08:13.29 | Amarande | I kept getting Stocks and there was never any damn boss loot worth a damn |
| 08:13.34 | Fisker | Jamash Paladins should generate justice points together with holy power then |
| 08:13.39 | Amarande | (damn it.) |
| 08:14.13 | Amarande | Any word on Gnomer instance? |
| 08:14.16 | Kalroth | Paladins should click a button at character select and type DELETE when asked for |
| 08:14.26 | sylvanaar_atwork | lolk |
| 08:14.46 | Amarande | Kalroth: actually I expect paladins to be one of the most popular classes rolled in Cata |
| 08:14.49 | Amarande | there is a specific reason for this |
| 08:14.57 | Amarande | namely, the harshness of the raid circuit |
| 08:15.07 | Fisker | they dont suck anymore |
| 08:15.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | have they brought up the beta server yet? |
| 08:15.11 | Amarande | basically: if you want to get into the raid circuit, and you're late to the party for given content, you're going to be undergeared |
| 08:15.25 | Amarande | and then you're going to have a HELL of a time finding a raid group (hell I didn't find an ICC10 group for my DK till mid August) |
| 08:15.27 | Jamash | not with JUSTICE POINTS(tm) |
| 08:15.32 | Kalroth | Paladins are popular because they're the class for people that is too dumb to play a hunter or a warlock. |
| 08:15.54 | Amarande | Jamash: the trouble is that, at least in the current raid circuit, badge gear isn't really enough to meet what people are wanting for most raids |
| 08:15.59 | Amarande | especially if you're DPS and thus have a lot of competition |
| 08:16.00 | Fisker | naw Kalroth |
| 08:16.03 | Jamash | that's because people are stupid |
| 08:16.15 | Jamash | they want higher ilvl gear than drops in the instance |
| 08:16.20 | Amarande | anyway, if you want to get into the raid circuit and you're late to the party, you're going to be undergeared |
| 08:16.29 | Amarande | which means you're going to have a hell of a time getting a raid group as DPS |
| 08:16.41 | Jamash | I have a guild |
| 08:16.47 | Amarande | now, combined with that a new character has to catch up on classic, outland, and northrend before they can even start the 80-85 grind |
| 08:16.51 | Jamash | they love me |
| 08:17.01 | Amarande | I expect almost EVERY new cata character will be late to the party |
| 08:17.05 | Jamash | they probably love me slightly less since I missed ICC10 today |
| 08:17.11 | Amarande | this means there's a huge incentive to roll tank or healer ... and yeah, pally is one of the best classes to do for that :) |
| 08:17.24 | Amarande | (especially seeing how easy it is to both instance AND solo as tank on one) |
| 08:17.25 | Jamash | I may level a druid come cata |
| 08:17.31 | Jamash | troll druid ftw |
| 08:17.37 | Fisker | if you gave a damn about getting ready for raids i didn't have any huge problems getting my rogue geared up for icc |
| 08:17.40 | Jamash | assuming they change the form skins anyway |
| 08:17.53 | Fisker | though that does need a guild/friends |
| 08:18.00 | zenzio | Amarande: if you like the play style. I prefer warrior tanking |
| 08:18.16 | Jamash | warriors can tank? |
| 08:18.19 | Amarande | Fisker: I had plenty of friends, and a guild ... the problem was I didn't know people who could get me an in into a raid group that raids at times that I could be around every week |
| 08:18.33 | zenzio | Jamash: a lot of warriors can't, but some of us are pretty awesome |
| 08:18.44 | Amarande | remember, I work at a grocery store and only a few days do I have a schedule that's the *same* every week |
| 08:19.18 | Amarande | mainly Wednesday and Thursday, when I always get out at 4 and 7:30 ... just about every other day I could be slapped with having to work till 9 or later, without knowing at all till the Friday of the previous week (since that's when skeds go out) |
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| 08:20.00 | zenzio | on my realm, Wednesday, Thursday and Sunday seemed to be the main raid days for most guilds |
| 08:20.10 | Amarande | zenzio: it also made me real glad for WotLK |
| 08:20.20 | Amarande | in WotLK, you can get away with a one or two night raid schedule |
| 08:20.39 | Amarande | in BC and classic, you practically were expected to have a job that let you consistently be off four or five nights a week (and those had to be the same nights each time too) |
| 08:20.48 | Amarande | if you weren't a student or a nine to fiver, it was a REAL pain to find groups |
| 08:21.00 | zenzio | my BC guild did fine with three mandatory days, one optional |
| 08:21.06 | cbreak_work | Recently I am in a 0 night raid schedule |
| 08:21.17 | Amarande | at least it was on a heavily progression oriented server like Turalyon |
| 08:21.26 | Amarande | (which also suffered intensely from gear expectations even to do 5 mans) |
| 08:21.39 | cbreak_work | I am on turalyon too |
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| 08:21.46 | cbreak_work | but didn't notice that we're progression oriented |
| 08:21.47 | Amarande | hence why I transferred off for the last six months or so of BC and then came back for LK |
| 08:21.50 | Amarande | cbreak: we were in BC |
| 08:21.59 | Amarande | back when fusion was pretty much setting the pace for everyone still |
| 08:22.15 | Amarande | fusion's falling behind lately though :( I cursed a blue streak when Might got the LK realm first achievement :( |
| 08:22.30 | cbreak_work | There's TheLastWatch and some other guilds that consistently raid hard core |
| 08:22.40 | Amarande | and of course I was THERE to see it happen ... I was questing in zangar on my DK when it happened and the achievement spam came up |
| 08:22.45 | zenzio | I like when there's more than one top(ish) guilds |
| 08:22.47 | cbreak_work | but mostly there are short lived guilds that raid for one expansion, then disband, and reform next expansion |
| 08:22.49 | Amarande | cbreak: are you ally or horde side btw? |
| 08:22.53 | cbreak_work | alliance |
| 08:23.03 | Amarande | cbreak: I hope I didn't ninja your ore node earlier tonight in sholazar. :( |
| 08:23.13 | cbreak_work | I am not a miner |
| 08:23.14 | Amarande | oh, man, that was a MEAN ninja I did, too |
| 08:23.18 | cbreak_work | and I rarely play |
| 08:23.21 | cbreak_work | lately |
| 08:23.33 | zenzio | on EU-Silvermoon, Inner Sanctum is by and large *the* top guild, but we have some contenders. I remember how in BC, out of nowhere Silence did Vashj before the top three/four guilds |
| 08:23.36 | Amarande | this human pally was in the midst of fighting a cat near a saronite node when I landed and nabbed it before he was out of combat |
| 08:23.45 | cbreak_work | (I am Dust on Turalyon EU) |
| 08:23.47 | Kalroth | Amarande: Good! |
| 08:23.53 | Amarande | cbreak: oh, EU |
| 08:23.57 | Amarande | I'm on Turalyon US horde side |
| 08:24.09 | Amarande | and Turalyon US was and to a certain extent still is a very progression oriented server |
| 08:24.11 | cbreak_work | so we'll probably never cross your paths |
| 08:24.30 | Amarande | indeed, there was one particular reason I chose the server I did to transfer to for the last half year of BC |
| 08:24.37 | Amarande | it was *because it had terrible progression on horde side* |
| 08:24.39 | cbreak_work | my turalyon is a very old server. |
| 08:24.52 | cbreak_work | we have all kinds of guilds. Mine is one of the oldest |
| 08:24.54 | Amarande | yes, it was a deliberate decision of mine to choose a server that sucked |
| 08:25.02 | cbreak_work | but I am not sure how long it will stick around :( |
| 08:25.17 | Amarande | cbreak: yeah I was around for the disintegration of the oldest horde guild on Quel'dorei US, too :( |
| 08:25.25 | Amarande | I was actually an officer when it went down |
| 08:25.35 | Amarande | actually had just been promoted TO officer when the split that doomed us happened |
| 08:25.45 | cbreak_work | my guild will never die. But it might only continue to exist with me as member. |
| 08:26.19 | Amarande | not that it had anything to do with me ... I was very much loved by all, including those who split off (and did take out a low level alt to sign the split guild's charter) |
| 08:26.35 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: shoot me an email =) |
| 08:26.41 | Amarande | it had to do with a fatal split of roles between the original guild and the new one |
| 08:26.56 | cbreak_work | my guild never had a role |
| 08:27.06 | cbreak_work | we raided, we did other things. we had almost no rules. |
| 08:27.09 | Amarande | See ... our MT, was a married woman. She wanted to play more with her hubby, but her hubby had been in the guild before, and didn't like it there |
| 08:27.23 | Amarande | so she decided to found a new guild so she could be with him ... perfectly understandable, and I wasn't about to object :) |
| 08:27.33 | cbreak_work | couples, sometimes nice to have, but sometimes maintenance intensive |
| 08:27.37 | Amarande | the only problem was ... the group that split off with her to help found the new guild, was basically ALL OUR TANKS AND ALL BUT A COUPLE OF THE HEALERS |
| 08:27.45 | Amarande | while we got stuck with like 2 healers and almost all the DPS |
| 08:27.56 | Amarande | ... yeaaaaahh, that was about curtains |
| 08:28.13 | Jamash | my guild has a history of egocentric raid leaders leaving with half the good raiders |
| 08:28.30 | Amarande | if it had been just a matter of the guild splitting, we had more than enough people not to have that ruin things per se |
| 08:28.33 | Amarande | but the role split killed us |
| 08:29.27 | Amarande | but yeah, I chose Quel'dorei since its progression was poor and thus, I figured (and was right) that I'd have more group opportunities on a relatively fresh, undergeared 70 DPS |
| 08:31.13 | Amarande | and I was horde, so I didn't have to deal with goddamned Aerlinthe |
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| 08:31.49 | Amarande | that guy basically thought he owned the whole server (he was the head of the biggest alliance guild there and basically thought blizzard <3'd him because he exposed a critical flaw in a PTR'd but deepsixed feature for 2.4) |
| 08:32.01 | Amarande | I think I ninja'd his ore whenever I could. :) |
| 08:32.36 | Amarande | (Besides, he was a gnome. Gnomes suck.) |
| 08:33.15 | Amarande | although yes, the feature he complained about was indeed full of suck and fail and would have made 2.4 be hated on all but a relatively few servers. :) |
| 08:34.15 | Amarande | Anyone remember an item called Essence of Immortal? :) |
| 08:34.21 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 08:34.33 | Amarande | Dagmar: it was tied to how they initially intended to have the last 3 sunwell boss unlocks work |
| 08:34.54 | Amarande | they were going to have it be quest based progression like the rest of IQD, in this case based on turnins of an epic item called essence of immortal that dropped from T5 and T6 raid bosses |
| 08:35.09 | Dagmar | Well, thanks to the astonishing elitism of ten-year-old players, I never went in there anyway |
| 08:35.10 | Amarande | until Aerlinthe, in particular, pointed out that this would basically KILL WOW |
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| 08:35.33 | Fisker | what feature was that Amarande ? |
| 08:35.35 | cbreak_work | Dagmar: I went there at 80. It's a great looking instance. You should go there too. |
| 08:35.36 | Amarande | well, maybe not kill it entirely, but cause a huge amount of drama and social upheavals that would have made the sunwell time just suck |
| 08:35.43 | cbreak_work | Only saw the first boss at 70 |
| 08:36.12 | Amarande | Fisker: in the original 2.4.0 PTR, to unlock sunwell bosses from the fourth onward (was the fourth twins or the other one? I can never remember, just that Brutallus was second, M'uru fifth and KJ sixth) |
| 08:36.24 | Amarande | you had to turn in certain amounts of Essence of Immortal as quests on IQD |
| 08:36.44 | Amarande | Like I said, EoI only came from T5 and T6 raid bosses (and in T5's case, only from Vashj and Kael) |
| 08:36.53 | Amarande | you can see where this is going in terms of utter suck |
| 08:36.54 | Amarande | ... yeah. |
| 08:37.01 | Amarande | low pop servers would have had NO CHANCE AT ALL of seeing KJ before Wrath |
| 08:37.30 | Amarande | because they just wouldn't have enough raiding guilds to get enough EoI over the course of the limited number of lockouts remaining between Sunwell and Wrath |
| 08:38.00 | Amarande | which would in turn probably have caused all kinds of transfer hell where people would all try to pile onto the highest pop servers in order to have a server that got KJ with a reasonable number of weeks left ... |
| 08:38.03 | Amarande | yeah, that would have been bad. :) |
| 08:38.15 | Amarande | there was enough suck with transfers in BC as it was |
| 08:38.37 | Amarande | particularly with the large number of free character move phases Blizz did from the highest pop servers |
| 08:38.44 | Amarande | those phases were guild killers, plain and simple :| |
| 08:39.16 | Amarande | I can't even begin to count how many guilds I saw on forums talk about having been destroyed by free character moves, and I do think that sort of QQ given the circumstances was probably purely legitimate |
| 08:39.31 | Dagmar | So, why are you getting all worked up about this now? |
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| 08:39.54 | Amarande | Dagmar: not really getting worked up, just relating historical details as to my life as a 70 DPS |
| 08:39.55 | zenzio | I remember the Essence of Immortals debacle |
| 08:40.02 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 08:40.19 | Amarande | and sort of cautionary that we don't want Blizz to structure things in the future in ways that create similar debacles |
| 08:40.26 | zenzio | on my server, the top guilds were basically telling the mediocre guilds "you should all go back and do Vashj and KT so we can do Sunwell" |
| 08:40.31 | Amarande | To me, they managed to get it just about perfect with the later LK patches |
| 08:40.39 | Amarande | even if I do sometimes grouse about JC not getting enough love |
| 08:41.08 | Amarande | zenzio: er, the EoI thing never made it out of the PTR :) |
| 08:41.23 | Amarande | Blizzard came to their senses in time :) |
| 08:41.27 | Dagmar | Oh I thought people were getting histrionic about the guild perk thing |
| 08:41.28 | zenzio | Amarande: I know, but they were trying to tell us what we should do |
| 08:41.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: meh, the guild perk thing doesn't really bug me very much |
| 08:42.17 | Amarande | My main concern is whether Blizzard will make 85, 90, etc. as smooth sailing as 80 or if they'll leave freshly leveled characters stranded like happened for so many in BC |
| 08:42.17 | Dagmar | I'm not worrying about it much. So long as it only requires 4/5 we'll see it go up |
| 08:43.20 | Amarande | but yes, the free character move thing was indeed legitimate complaint (and I don't think they've even done that anymore at all since LK, have they?) |
| 08:43.32 | Amarande | the basic problem with free character moves was this: |
| 08:43.54 | Amarande | Guilds would, understandably, decide to get off of overpopulated servers, and of course they would try to have everyone move over to the new server en bloc, there to recreate the guild |
| 08:44.41 | Amarande | Trouble arose *constantly* with that though because depending on how soon the guild decided to move, and how long it took individual members' requests to be processed, and whether some members were on vacation or such (there were at least a couple during the summer of 08 if I recall) |
| 08:45.05 | Amarande | invariably, many guilds would end up with several members stranded on the original server, stuck without a guild (which was virtually a death sentence for your raiding career in late BC) |
| 08:45.35 | Amarande | and much of the time, there was nothing at all the stranded could do ... because usually by that point the free move target server was itself full and thus closed even to paid transfers |
| 08:46.29 | Amarande | Dagmar: Definite fail, right? |
| 08:46.55 | Dagmar | Yeah but that's the problem with having to deal with TONS of people |
| 08:47.31 | Amarande | Though really part of it was also how they cut things off |
| 08:47.53 | Amarande | Not like paid transfers where once you pay, your character is transferring even if the server gets closed to more transfers during processing time |
| 08:48.09 | Amarande | they would *deny those transfers* once their quotas had been met, even ones that had already put in for it |
| 08:48.50 | Amarande | so even if you had gone through the process to put in for it, you could end up with a message from Blizz saying "sorry, quota's met" and not even a sufficient apology for basically ending you for raids until LK |
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| 08:50.24 | Amarande | (by then, everyone knew there wasn't much time left, and thus no time to gear anyone up, so I'd imagine only T6 guild members' raiding careers really survived such things) |
| 08:51.00 | Amarande | 'specially with the Hand of A'dal sword of Damocles hanging over many progression folks' heads :S |
| 08:51.52 | Amarande | I know the pain of those title searches, since I was trying very hard right up until the very end to get the groups I needed to finish Champion of the Naaru |
| 08:51.57 | Amarande | and in the end, I didn't |
| 08:52.32 | Amarande | I knew I could get groups for Kara, and I figured I could probably buy a slot to be carried for Magtheridon and Gruul at the worst, but I never could get the 5 man heroic groups |
| 08:53.45 | Amarande | It didn't mean THAT much to me in the end |
| 08:54.27 | Amarande | but yeah, there was something special about those BC raid titles, since they were one of the very few things (there having not been achievements during BC until 3.0, which also made all the BC raids a joke and removed those titles from new acquisition) that one could really point to and say "hey, I was there for BC and actually did stuff" |
| 08:56.11 | Amarande | Like how PvP rank titles are pretty much the only thing folks can really point to now as definite proof that they were there for Classic |
| 08:57.34 | unfo- | i had the will to grind Sergeant on one char back then |
| 08:57.54 | Amarande | and yes, that was mainly why I wanted Champion of the Naaru, in order to get one of the few really lasting souvenirs that definitely says "BC during BC" |
| 08:58.27 | zenzio | I keep looking at all the Twilight Vanquishers today and thinking "fuck you, you didn't get it a month after release" |
| 08:59.02 | Amarande | zenzio: that's sarth+3 right? :) |
| 08:59.05 | zenzio | yes |
| 08:59.08 | Amarande | ehh |
| 08:59.13 | Amarande | sarth+3 still really isn't all that easy :) |
| 08:59.42 | Amarande | I regularly see people in ICC gear wipe that raid |
| 08:59.58 | Amarande | flame tsunami is a harsh, harsh mistress |
| 08:59.59 | cbreak_work | if you do it with a speed kill, he's rather simple |
| 09:00.14 | cbreak_work | all you need is a tank who knows what to do with that strategy, a few healers, and a bunch of dps |
| 09:00.23 | cbreak_work | high dps, but easy to come by with icc stuff |
| 09:00.40 | zenzio | I felt real proud doing it pretty soon after the release. Not nearly Europe-first or anything, but fast enough to be considered skill |
| 09:01.30 | Amarande | the problem with flame tsunami is it's nowhere near the same as most "don't stand in the shit" things, too |
| 09:01.47 | Amarande | most of the time, don't stand in the shit stuff is such that, yeah, it just appeared under you, run. |
| 09:02.11 | Amarande | this stuff, it's "you have to know in advance it's coming at you and have a place to run, or you're dotted and dead" |
| 09:02.20 | Amarande | it makes BWL shadow flame a joke |
| 09:02.35 | Amarande | *even if BWL shadow flame were rescaled for LK, it makes BWL shadow flame a joke*. |
| 09:03.33 | Amarande | I can handle things like the lana'thel and sindy dances and I STILL effing die to tsunami on sarth+3. :| |
| 09:04.20 | Jamash | l2zoomout |
| 09:04.22 | Amarande | so yeah it's not a general inability to stay out of fire or lack of coordination |
| 09:04.26 | Amarande | it's *that particular attack* that keeps getting me |
| 09:04.35 | tem | Lunessa |
| 09:04.39 | tem | I just killed you |
| 09:05.15 | Jamash | with kindness |
| 09:05.36 | rocode | <pfifo> what command do I run to compute the winning lottery number for tomorrow? -- taken from the Ubuntu support channel |
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| 09:06.04 | cbreak_work | I find it easy |
| 09:06.06 | Amarande | rocode, tell him it depends on the time-travel package |
| 09:06.13 | Jamash | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp |
| 09:06.28 | cbreak_work | being a mage in WoW makes many things easy |
| 09:06.28 | rocode | I just told him to link me the man page when he finds it. ;) |
| 09:06.45 | cbreak_work | I can ice block through fire walls, blink through them, or just do what I normally do: stay in a safe spot |
| 09:06.46 | Amarande | cbreak: and once more on the topic of mages |
| 09:06.56 | Amarande | they *have got* to make a pelvic thrust animation to use in the Time Warp cast for cata. :D |
| 09:07.04 | Jamash | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 09:07.05 | cbreak_work | no, please. |
| 09:07.23 | Amarande | (also, if you use it on yogg, it should duly decrease your sanity meter :D) |
| 09:07.29 | cbreak_work | I think the night elfs already do that when dancing. |
| 09:07.43 | rocode | That's more of a slut thrust. |
| 09:07.53 | Amarande | wow you guys actually got it |
| 09:07.58 | Amarande | I mentioned this suggestion in trade one night |
| 09:08.04 | Amarande | and ... gah, no one got it, they just wtfed at me |
| 09:08.10 | Amarande | WTF IS WITH PEOPLE NOT HAVING SEEN ROCKY HORROR |
| 09:08.10 | Jamash | fail |
| 09:08.11 | Amarande | :( |
| 09:08.20 | rocode | shrugs |
| 09:08.28 | Amarande | although |
| 09:08.29 | Amarande | granted |
| 09:08.36 | Amarande | I didn't even see RHPS myself till about a month and a half ago |
| 09:08.37 | rocode | Someone called me a nerd today in our ICC 25. WoW has become mainstream. |
| 09:08.53 | Amarande | and I'm almost frickin 31 years old |
| 09:09.20 | Amarande | and yes cbreak, RDPS have a lot easier time with flame tsunami |
| 09:09.31 | Amarande | I'm gonna have to try zooming out, because otherwise it's a pain in the ass to dodge as MDPS |
| 09:09.48 | Amarande | or else I'll just have to AMS it |
| 09:09.51 | Amarande | (can you AMS it?) |
| 09:10.08 | Amarande | I love AMS. |
| 09:10.32 | Spejnar | rocode: kinda like ppl doing it on IRC |
| 09:10.44 | rocode | Yea. =/ |
| 09:11.06 | Spejnar | way too mainstream, lets chat using doves and bits |
| 09:11.09 | cbreak_work | I am fairly convinced that mages are the best class in WoW |
| 09:11.20 | rocode | Druid power! |
| 09:11.21 | cbreak_work | just because we have the most tools to get out of problems and do what we have to do |
| 09:11.39 | rocode | Engineers are prob the best profession then. |
| 09:11.41 | cbreak_work | unlike druids, mages are not versatile |
| 09:11.44 | rocode | is jealous |
| 09:11.45 | cbreak_work | but we rock at what we do |
| 09:11.48 | Amarande | cbreak: DKs have quite a lot, too |
| 09:11.54 | cbreak_work | nah. tailoring is the best profession. |
| 09:12.01 | cbreak_work | Two words: Flying Carpet. |
| 09:12.06 | rocode | Meh |
| 09:12.12 | Amarande | AMS and IBF, which just let you laugh at boss abilities when used correctly |
| 09:12.17 | rocode | Engineering has it's own mount + all the other goodies. |
| 09:12.21 | Amarande | plus the fact that DKs, specifically Frost DPS DKs |
| 09:12.29 | Amarande | are THE single best class in the game at competing for farm areas |
| 09:12.30 | rocode | I am stuck with Leatherworking and Skinning. |
| 09:12.39 | rocode | Leatherworking having... ghetto drums. |
| 09:12.46 | cbreak_work | Farm areas: Sounds more like a negative point. |
| 09:12.52 | Amarande | heh, my DK has skinning and herbalism. |
| 09:12.52 | rocode | ^ |
| 09:12.59 | Amarande | although herbalism HAS saved my ass a time or two I think |
| 09:13.15 | cbreak_work | If I wanted to farm, I'd steam my sister's Nintendo DS and play harvest moon. |
| 09:13.18 | Amarande | people look at herbing and go eww since it doesn't provide any direct DPS boost |
| 09:13.21 | rocode | Druids have one of the best advantages in the game: Being able to do most things in forms, including flight form. |
| 09:13.24 | Amarande | they forget how much DPS you do when you're dead. :) |
| 09:13.48 | Amarande | It's usually that single digit number that's kind of round and such, except unlike other round things like the curves of a woman, it just ... sucks. :) |
| 09:13.54 | cbreak_work | Humans have the best trait, 10% rep bonus |
| 09:13.58 | unfo- | rocode, yeah, flight form for mining/herbing ftw |
| 09:14.07 | rocode | Yep. |
| 09:14.17 | Amarande | cbreak: I mean, when you're trying to compete for mobs that several other people also want to kill and loot |
| 09:14.30 | rocode | cbreak_work, imagine that with the 10% from the guild bonuses. |
| 09:14.34 | Amarande | especially if limited supply (fire elementals in LK come to mind, if you're trying to avoid WG) |
| 09:14.34 | cbreak_work | I currently want to kill the time lost proto drake. |
| 09:14.42 | cbreak_work | ... never ever seen it |
| 09:14.52 | Amarande | basically, frost DPS DKs are THE BEST at that |
| 09:14.59 | cbreak_work | why? |
| 09:15.01 | rocode | I saw it my first day in alpha. Broke my heart. =/ |
| 09:15.09 | Amarande | because ... basically, there's one rule about when you manage to get the tag versus a frost DPS DK who's paying attention. |
| 09:15.11 | Amarande | that rule is |
| 09:15.13 | cbreak_work | palas have consecration, and mages can jump around ae spamming like a loon |
| 09:15.13 | Amarande | "you don't." |
| 09:15.24 | Amarande | cbreak: icy touch and howling blast |
| 09:15.29 | Amarande | the important thing about those being |
| 09:15.31 | cbreak_work | instant fireblast |
| 09:15.34 | cbreak_work | no travel time |
| 09:15.37 | Amarande | they're ranged, instant cast, AND HIT INSTANTLY |
| 09:15.57 | cbreak_work | Pom Arcane blast: instant, no travel time. |
| 09:16.00 | Amarande | I guess I figure that's just payback for having been the butt monkey of mob tag competition in BC. :) |
| 09:16.12 | Amarande | cbreak: don't those all depend on CDs, though? |
| 09:16.19 | Amarande | as long as I have frost or death runes, I can icy touch |
| 09:16.20 | cbreak_work | short ones |
| 09:16.28 | rocode | I hate people who compete in the beta while questing. |
| 09:16.41 | rocode | Even more so after getting to the civil environment. =/ |
| 09:16.42 | Amarande | and by butt monkey of mob tag competition in BC, I mean aff lock. |
| 09:16.53 | Amarande | It SUCKED being an aff lock when you needed to get the tag before another ranged class in BC. :( |
| 09:16.58 | rocode | Like those kids trying to make money on the AH in the beta. |
| 09:17.06 | Amarande | I think it's changed since, IIRC they made dots tag on application now instead of first tick |
| 09:17.21 | Amarande | but in BC, if you tried to use your usual rotation at all? |
| 09:17.35 | Amarande | if you tried to open with UA? Forget it. 1.5 second cast AND then waiting for the first tick, you just gave away free DPS to that hunter over there |
| 09:17.42 | Amarande | (and put yourself in combat till the hunter's done, to boot.) |
| 09:18.08 | Amarande | Even opening with CoA or Corruption was dicey when competing with folks like hunters. You basically had to open with Immo, a spell that affs almost ever even *use*. |
| 09:18.18 | Amarande | Even then, you had the cast time to worry about, while that hunter was hitting an instant shot. |
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| 09:18.48 | rocode | Am I the only one who will DoT someone else's mob when I pass by? Like, after they have tagged it? |
| 09:19.17 | Amarande | rocode: I try to avoid that. |
| 09:19.28 | Amarande | the only time I really don't, is when someone seems like they're in trouble. |
| 09:19.46 | Amarande | even moreso if it looks like I can't take that mob alone myself and I'm going to be the next meal once the tagger dies and the mob resets. :) |
| 09:20.15 | rocode | I guess it closely akin to the stranger buffers. |
| 09:20.18 | rocode | shrugs |
| 09:20.29 | Amarande | That, or if I have a group quest sitting in my log taunting me and am hoping to recruit that person to group with afterwards. |
| 09:20.40 | Amarande | Since not every group quest can be soloed even in ICC gear. :( |
| 09:21.10 | Amarande | In fact, at least one in Icecrown zone can't be soloed even at 85. The mechanics forbid it. |
| 09:21.29 | Amarande | Thankfully, I discovered it becomes a daily, so there shouldn't be shortages of people able to help. |
| 09:22.40 | Amarande | although there was one particular time on Quel'dorei IIRC where I actively assisted not only a stranger, but an opposite faction stranger |
| 09:23.20 | Amarande | Deathclasp in Silithus. The Alliance guys seemed to be having trouble, and it was such that, if I just moved on and tried to grab the sack for that other quest |
| 09:23.28 | Amarande | I would probably have been aggroed on after they died and got killed too |
| 09:23.42 | Amarande | so I helped them ... as it turns out, a really good thing since they returned the favor (I being on that quest, too) |
| 09:24.10 | rocode | My guild is on both factions, so we generally assist other faction members in hopes of recruitment. Also works the opposite way, since we will kill griefers on either side. |
| 09:24.21 | Amarande | Deathclasp is going to get worse in Cata, too. Some of the classes that can solo him near level now, won't be able to in Cata I bet. |
| 09:24.43 | rocode | The general damage buff is a killer. |
| 09:24.52 | Amarande | rocode: I was more thinking of stun poison |
| 09:25.02 | Amarande | stun poison is going to be a super mega source of crying in Cata |
| 09:25.04 | rocode | Mhmm |
| 09:25.07 | Amarande | because it basically FORCES a group then |
| 09:25.18 | Amarande | EVERY SINGLE means of dealing with it solo is going away. |
| 09:25.27 | Amarande | in the name of "oh we want people to have to react instead of anticipate" :P |
| 09:25.47 | rocode | Like we don't fly over decursive anyway. ;) |
| 09:25.50 | Amarande | well, most means ... I suspect IBF might still work |
| 09:26.03 | Amarande | and bubbles |
| 09:26.05 | Amarande | but that's about it |
| 09:26.13 | Amarande | wait, does PvP trinket work on that stuff? |
| 09:26.58 | Amarande | but yeah, the only things that work are "bubble out of it/PvP trinket" type or "general immunity to stuns" type (which I *think* only DKs get) |
| 09:27.53 | Amarande | (and actually, can you bubble while stunned? It's been a long time since I played Pally.) |
| 09:28.16 | Amarande | I'm suspecting "no otherwise you'd never ever be able to take down a geared pally in PvP" |
| 09:29.36 | Spejnar | you can however BoF out of stun if glyphed |
| 09:29.53 | Amarande | but yeah, the basic thing is that stun poison is going to suck in cata |
| 09:30.25 | Spejnar | stun posion? :O |
| 09:30.44 | Amarande | Spejnar: poison whose effect is a stun |
| 09:30.53 | Amarande | remember that elite scorpid in silithus? |
| 09:30.54 | Amarande | that uses it. |
| 09:31.02 | Spejnar | maybe, my memory is a bit crap |
| 09:31.03 | Spejnar | but yes |
| 09:31.58 | Amarande | currently, the strat on druid and shaman would be to use abolish poison or cleansing totem ... but noooo they're taking those away :P |
| 09:32.14 | Spejnar | yup |
| 09:32.28 | Amarande | and I think they're making the restorative potion just remove debuffs once now instead of periodic like now? |
| 09:33.31 | Amarande | I'm trying to think if there's any current group content that's going to be particularly hard to do at-level with all the periodic debuff removing things going away, too |
| 09:33.42 | Amarande | particularly in outland and northrend, since those aren't being totally overhauled in the way that azeroth is |
| 09:34.00 | Spejnar | no idea, cant remember seeing those changes |
| 09:34.12 | Amarande | tremor totem going away too? I can't remember |
| 09:34.23 | Amarande | haven't played shaman since BC, either |
| 09:35.38 | Spejnar | but viscius will be impossible again |
| 09:36.00 | Amarande | where's that? |
| 09:36.05 | Spejnar | aq40 |
| 09:36.36 | Spejnar | the optimimal slime guy |
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| 10:06.14 | Xinhuan | the new beta downloader today is so awesome is crashes with memory access violations =.= |
| 10:06.18 | Xinhuan | it* |
| 10:07.20 | rocode | Crashed for me to. Finished okay, though. |
| 10:08.23 | Xinhuan | hmm it just crashed a 2nd time |
| 10:08.45 | rocode | Didn't get it a second time. Crashed, killed process, restarted, profit. |
| 10:08.48 | Xinhuan | once it crashes, you can't run a 2nd copy until you go task manager to kill it |
| 10:09.13 | rocode | Anyway, I am out for the night. |
| 10:10.32 | Xinhuan | ok 3rd crash, it seems to crash about 1 min of rerunning it |
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| 10:11.36 | Xinhuan | so in the last blizz downloader iteration, i had to restart the blizz downloader every 20 seconds cos it would close the ports every 20 secs. in this iteration, the downloader crashes 1 minute in |
| 10:11.42 | Xinhuan | sigh |
| 10:13.26 | Caleb| | <- had no problem what so ever with the new launcher |
| 10:16.33 | Xinhuan | 4th crash |
| 10:17.13 | Xinhuan | the forums looks like its full of people having the same issue |
| 10:19.21 | Xinhuan | ok 6th crash - it looks like i won't be playing the beta or doing any addons for it |
| 10:21.13 | Xinhuan | i couldn't even play the previous patch either, but didn't care as much since addons weren't enabled |
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| 10:50.48 | cbreak_work | americans are strange |
| 10:51.11 | cbreak_work | seems some of those politicians actually took the request for making radios in mobile phones mandatory serios. |
| 10:53.34 | zenzio | Ars had an article today about how there's whispers of also wanting to make DTV mandatory on them |
| 10:53.56 | cbreak_work | yeah, reading it right now |
| 10:54.08 | cbreak_work | silly... I wonder if something like that would work here. |
| 10:56.10 | industrial | LOLMERICA http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1095151/4c532f51/authoritarian_capitalism.html |
| 11:00.09 | cbreak_work | "There are more 17 year old black males in prison than in colledge" |
| 11:00.19 | cbreak_work | must be hard to get into colledge... :/ |
| 11:01.23 | zenzio | hey, at least they're not in collage |
| 11:02.26 | MaxS | hey guys, what's the name of the function I call to send a hidden message to raid? *its been a while lol |
| 11:02.35 | MaxS | ui message or whatever |
| 11:02.35 | zenzio | a hidden message? |
| 11:03.08 | MaxS | you specify the channel and addons sit on it and wait for it? |
| 11:03.11 | MaxS | i forget, been so long |
| 11:03.38 | zenzio | SendAddOnMessage or something like that? |
| 11:03.42 | MaxS | yeah |
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| 11:03.54 | MaxS | lol thanks |
| 11:04.39 | MaxS | people use that to sync damage meters right?.. |
| 11:04.58 | zenzio | probably... don't know for sure |
| 11:05.12 | MaxS | kthx |
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| 12:36.45 | Grum | mm is the beta realm down atm? |
| 12:38.01 | Maldivia | dont think they've been brought up yet since maintenance started yesterday |
| 12:38.36 | Grum | Maldivia: k cheers |
| 12:38.53 | Maldivia | and no update to the maintenance post on the forums |
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| 13:03.26 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/09/01/breakfast-topic-are-you-a-closet-nerd-or-a-flag-waving-nerd/ |
| 13:08.18 | industrial | flag waving yet unconsciously still a cool skater dude \:D/ |
| 13:08.26 | industrial | *cough* |
| 13:08.55 | Kraps | lol |
| 13:10.49 | cbreak_work | flag waving does not come close. |
| 13:11.54 | Kraps | is your house painted in faction colors? |
| 13:12.59 | cbreak_work | no. I thought bout painting it black for energy efficiency though. |
| 13:13.12 | cbreak_work | (but it seems that's against the building rules around here) |
| 13:13.29 | foxlit | Did they break the beta realmlist again? |
| 13:13.57 | industrial | left http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d77acfc0064b9ba5cc68ea716c040871.jpeg |
| 13:14.16 | industrial | I so feel like going again (I have this feeling every year about 5 months up until I go for a week ...) |
| 13:14.30 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5627045/morons-arrested-after-stuffing-games-down-pants |
| 13:18.45 | Kraps | cbreak_work: my boss wanted to paint the ceiling of our one-room brick workplace black but the accountant (whos kinda the second in command) disagreed |
| 13:20.26 | Kraps | off to work |
| 13:22.35 | mikma | cairenn: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/oh_canada.jpg |
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| 13:30.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | jnwhiteh: do you have the wow api signatures available besides your wiki - id like to add them to my lua IDE somehow |
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| 13:37.57 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar_atwork: What would you need? |
| 13:38.05 | jnwhiteh | I can write a script to generate pretty much anything. |
| 13:38.12 | jnwhiteh | So |
| 13:38.18 | jnwhiteh | do I buy SC2 or SC2CE? |
| 13:38.23 | jnwhiteh | I've never played a starcraft game before |
| 13:38.26 | jnwhiteh | not really |
| 13:38.37 | foxlit | There's no gameplay difference, obviously |
| 13:38.42 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 13:38.49 | jnwhiteh | is it worth getting it to play SC1/BroodWars? |
| 13:38.55 | jnwhiteh | or just play Sc2 on |
| 13:39.00 | foxlit | "Do I want the swag?" is a personal question. |
| 13:39.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | jnwhiteh: just the function name and the signature delimted somehow, tab probably. I'd be using it for popup documentation thats all |
| 13:39.17 | foxlit | You'll probably not want to play SC1 after SC2. It's retro now :( |
| 13:39.46 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 13:40.07 | foxlit | The beta realms are down, yeah? |
| 13:40.13 | cbreak_work | SC1 has network play |
| 13:43.06 | Sliker | Shame about the launcher's new theme. |
| 13:43.23 | jnwhiteh | I like it! |
| 13:43.32 | jnwhiteh | I also hope they keep the streaming client for live. |
| 13:43.38 | jnwhiteh | instead of ditching it like they did with wotlk |
| 13:43.40 | Thunder_Child | shame that the new launcher keeps crashing |
| 13:44.55 | Sliker | I guess it's not that bad, the connection info window's ugly though |
| 13:45.29 | Sliker | ... if that really matters |
| 13:46.00 | Xtek | o/ |
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| 14:07.02 | Sliker | ah, it looks much better when I raise my head to eye level with the screen. |
| 14:07.08 | Sliker | Stupid LCDs. |
| 14:07.14 | foxlit | The SC2 custom map selection saddens me |
| 14:07.24 | foxlit | The "Category" and "Mode" columns in particular |
| 14:08.35 | foxlit | They look as if the authors could just type whatever in a text box. |
| 14:18.48 | cbreak_work | I've only seen useless maps there. |
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| 14:39.55 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:40.12 | Lopeppeppy | Heya. Happy New Student Pre-Orientation Day! |
| 14:40.37 | industrial | you mean fresh-meat-day :D |
| 14:42.23 | Lopeppeppy | Rapidly spoiling meat, it's 90 degrees and very humid! |
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| 14:43.45 | industrial | yeah, in a month or so most of it will be gone again |
| 14:46.51 | Lopeppeppy | Two months and a few will fail out |
| 14:48.01 | industrial | where I studied they used to have a hairdressers education one floor above the nerd-department (maths, computer sciences etc). it was the best. :P |
| 14:54.49 | Shirik | tip: When reporting spam posts, don't use a reason of "Ummm crack?" |
| 14:56.06 | zenzelezz | yeah, you should've used something else |
| 14:58.04 | Lopeppeppy | My spam email forward letter is "These phishers aren't very creative. Thought I'd throw them to the sharks and see how they like it. Thanks for taking a nibble!" |
| 15:02.50 | Shirik | I love getting stuck at "Success!" when logging in |
| 15:03.39 | Sliker | And then pressing cancel crashes it. |
| 15:03.50 | Sliker | or, no, selecting a realm crashes it |
| 15:06.34 | cogwheel | someone should do a SC2 machinima music video for Dancing Queen (with queens obviously) |
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| 15:12.58 | Maldivia | cogwheel: and a tribute to the Immortal unit, to the sound of My Immortal? |
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| 15:14.14 | cogwheel | Episode 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK-iMfvWdCU (I think it's my favorite so far) |
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| 15:16.35 | Wobin | cogwheel: ... is -that- what a cogwheel sounds like? |
| 15:16.41 | cogwheel | :) |
| 15:16.53 | cogwheel | at least according to my crappy logitech mic |
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| 15:20.51 | Legorol | cogwheel: grats on the win :) |
| 15:20.56 | cogwheel | :) |
| 15:21.15 | Legorol | cloaked banshees are a pain.. |
| 15:24.32 | nicoli_s | indeed they are |
| 15:24.43 | nicoli_s | i need to spend more time making sure i always get an observer for that reason |
| 15:24.50 | nicoli_s | they are so damn useful for prot |
| 15:25.16 | Cide | cloaked banshees are easymode as zerg |
| 15:25.36 | Cide | same thing with void rays |
| 15:25.53 | Cide | unless you get caught vastly off guard but then you lost already |
| 15:25.59 | Legorol | cogwheel: did you ever figure out how to create a macro which allows you to easily update the name of a player in the macro? |
| 15:26.00 | cogwheel | can spore crawlers detect while uprooted? |
| 15:26.16 | Legorol | overseer is a better option imo |
| 15:26.30 | Legorol | banshees are very mobile, and can't shoot air, so chasing them with a mobile detector is great |
| 15:26.31 | cogwheel | yeah i used overseers in my last match, i'm just curious... |
| 15:26.41 | Legorol | i think they can if i remember right |
| 15:26.48 | cogwheel | (last match I played, not casted) |
| 15:27.13 | Legorol | Cide: i'm not so sure, what good anti-air counter does zerg have? |
| 15:27.18 | Cide | queens |
| 15:27.21 | Legorol | hydras are the best aren't they, but you need them in number |
| 15:27.23 | Legorol | ah yah of course |
| 15:27.29 | Legorol | i always forget the quuens >.< |
| 15:27.42 | Cide | you need 2 queens to take out one banshee or one void ray |
| 15:27.44 | foxlit | Legorol: you must spawn additional hydralisks |
| 15:27.46 | Legorol | indeed, queens rip 'em banshees apart |
| 15:27.48 | Cide | but they become more powerful in numbers |
| 15:27.49 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_090110_182501.jpg -> http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_090110_182504.jpg |
| 15:27.52 | mikma | yeah, i was bored ;) |
| 15:27.57 | Cide | get 3 and you can take out 3 or 4 I think |
| 15:28.08 | Cide | especially if you have mana for transfuse |
| 15:28.32 | foxlit | Are we just assuming that void rays will meet queens in the middle of nowhere? |
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| 15:28.40 | Cide | no, in the base of zerg_ |
| 15:28.43 | Cide | ? |
| 15:29.01 | foxlit | Wouldn't charged void rays eat queens alive? |
| 15:29.05 | Cide | they would |
| 15:29.10 | Legorol | you don't let'em charge |
| 15:29.20 | Legorol | queens have great range |
| 15:29.21 | cogwheel | that's what proxy pylons are for |
| 15:29.28 | Cide | if they do some tricky stuff like charging on themselves or pylons or a phoenix |
| 15:29.30 | foxlit | Legorol: and void rays have great speed :) |
| 15:29.32 | cogwheel | a couple voids can fully charge on just the shield |
| 15:29.34 | Cide | then you need more queens |
| 15:29.38 | Legorol | foxlit: lies, they are slooooooooooow |
| 15:29.50 | Legorol | cogwheel: any idea on my macro question? |
| 15:30.07 | Legorol | btw cogwheel, you should see how i failed against Cide ^^ |
| 15:30.12 | cogwheel | Legorol: i haven't myself. I think someone else has |
| 15:30.23 | Legorol | i forced him into doing a proxy hatchery at my expo, and he completely demolished me with it |
| 15:30.25 | Legorol | serves me right |
| 15:30.27 | cogwheel | just need to do something with EditMacro |
| 15:30.37 | cogwheel | probably need one to do the change and one to use it |
| 15:30.49 | cogwheel | otherwise you're entering quine territory |
| 15:31.20 | foxlit | Abuse a SABT. |
| 15:31.55 | Legorol | mm, correct me if i'm wrong, but /run (or /script) can't take macro conditionals, right? |
| 15:32.02 | foxlit | correct. |
| 15:32.19 | cogwheel | it would interfere with lua syntax |
| 15:32.34 | Legorol | true |
| 15:32.56 | Legorol | having said that.. in Lua i can just check for modifiers |
| 15:33.29 | Legorol | mm, would be neat if there was a focuslastfocus |
| 15:33.54 | Legorol | actually that wouldn't help em |
| 15:34.23 | foxlit | Things are pretty bleak if we're talking in combat. |
| 15:34.34 | Legorol | true |
| 15:34.44 | Legorol | well the issue i have is one that i'm sure lots of people have come across: |
| 15:35.13 | Legorol | i have a macro to cast a targeted buff (Hysteria, Power Infusion, anything of the sorts), and I want to choose the target for it out of combat before we pull |
| 15:35.18 | Legorol | but it will be a different person each time |
| 15:35.30 | Legorol | any good solutions for that |
| 15:35.41 | Legorol | and id on't want to use up the focus to "mark" the person in question |
| 15:35.43 | kd3|netbook | whee; hurricane warnings |
| 15:35.49 | Legorol | so all the magic can be done ooc |
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| 15:37.33 | cogwheel | hai malreth |
| 15:38.04 | cogwheel | Legorol: i think the simplest would be one macro that just creates the other one from scratch each time |
| 15:38.05 | malreth | slaps cogwheel on the butt |
| 15:38.09 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 15:38.42 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.47 | TC-Work | oh? is that all it takes cogwheel? |
| 15:39.03 | mikma | foxlit: LOL HYSERIA! |
| 15:39.26 | foxlit | missing an end paren too |
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| 15:40.15 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.51 | mikma | i should rewrite my Voodoo :/ |
| 15:43.01 | foxlit | cogwheel: spawn larva first, really |
| 15:45.43 | Cide | usually, yep |
| 15:45.59 | Cide | a tumor is acceptable if you need queen mobility early |
| 15:46.08 | cogwheel | if i had any consistency with my spawning it might make a difference, but i spend too much time forgetting for it to really matter >< |
| 15:46.26 | cogwheel | I usually do if i'm trying to do an early push |
| 15:46.53 | Ackis | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26560871177/zul-gurub-gone/ :'( |
| 15:46.54 | Ackis | slits |
| 15:47.01 | Ackis | speaking of slitting |
| 15:47.08 | Ackis | my cat scratched my wrist across |
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| 15:47.18 | Ackis | I told him he was doing it wrong, it's down the alley not across it |
| 15:47.28 | Wobin | You're so emo, even your cat cuts you |
| 15:47.57 | Ackis | yeah =/ |
| 15:48.48 | foxlit | Okay, so by now you must know where the overseer button is |
| 15:49.12 | cogwheel | i played all of these before i recorded any of them, fwiw |
| 15:49.25 | cogwheel | so nothing I learned from them applied to the later ones |
| 15:49.51 | cogwheel | i.e. yes ;) |
| 15:50.18 | Wobin | ok |
| 15:50.25 | Wobin | this new beta downloader |
| 15:50.33 | cogwheel | fisker came on it |
| 15:50.35 | Wobin | I gots me a red triangle at the beginning |
| 15:50.40 | Wobin | a green one midway |
| 15:50.43 | Wobin | and a yellow one |
| 15:50.47 | TC-Work | i got me 2 crashes with it so far |
| 15:50.50 | Wobin | that's not quite matching the download bar |
| 15:50.53 | Wobin | what's with that? |
| 15:51.18 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 15:51.19 | Wobin | I see |
| 15:51.24 | TC-Work | failure Wobin |
| 15:51.28 | Wobin | terribly misleading |
| 15:52.12 | kd3|netbook | blah. should've copied wow to my netbook so I could at least extract crap out of the mpqs while bored in class |
| 15:52.25 | kd3|netbook | just learned how to use properties in c# |
| 15:52.26 | kd3|netbook | whee |
| 15:52.32 | cogwheel | joy |
| 15:52.43 | Wobin | kd3|netbook: \o/ |
| 15:52.55 | Wobin | now you can learn how not to use them |
| 15:53.15 | cogwheel | properties are fine imo. they're basically just syntactic sugar for getBlah, setBlah |
| 15:53.16 | olafski | use them for everything! |
| 15:53.26 | Wobin | or rather, how you hax the getters and setters to do tricky stuff |
| 15:53.37 | olafski | what tricky stuff? :) |
| 15:53.39 | olafski | new to C# too |
| 15:53.46 | nicoli_s | C# is sweet |
| 15:53.46 | Ackis | anyone here have ISO 9001 experience? |
| 15:53.51 | Wobin | anything that isn't a direct set or get =) |
| 15:53.58 | olafski | how is that haxing then :( |
| 15:54.01 | foxlit | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-5000-open-source-java.html is clearly superior |
| 15:54.02 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 15:54.08 | nicoli_s | properties are cool, extension methods are even cooler |
| 15:54.10 | Wobin | ie, caching queries for stuff |
| 15:54.21 | olafski | nicoli_s: yeah! now I can do 5.hours in C# :D |
| 15:54.25 | cogwheel | nicoli_s: extension methods are a dumb side-effect of treating EVERYTHING as an object |
| 15:54.37 | nicoli_s | cogwheel:dumb but great |
| 15:54.39 | cogwheel | Free functions are a better idea |
| 15:54.42 | Wobin | extension methods are good to box away functionality |
| 15:54.56 | kd3|netbook | but... it's c#... everything is an object? isn't that the whole point of them NIH-ing java? |
| 15:55.03 | jnwhiteh | ssh -R myserver.com:12345:localhost:12345 myserver.com |
| 15:55.08 | cogwheel | kd3|netbook: exactly. |
| 15:55.12 | olafski | what's NIH :$ |
| 15:55.17 | kd3|netbook | not invented here |
| 15:55.21 | Wobin | is looking forward, somewhat to co and contravariance |
| 15:55.21 | jnwhiteh | This should forward any traffic destined for myserver.com:12345 to my local server over my ssh connection, right? |
| 15:55.21 | olafski | oh :P |
| 15:55.29 | jnwhiteh | or am I an idiot? |
| 15:57.18 | kd3|netbook | jn; I think so? |
| 15:57.30 | kd3|netbook | looks for his ssh cheatsheet |
| 15:57.31 | olafski | I have no clue |
| 15:57.31 | Wobin | cogwheel: free functions? |
| 15:57.38 | olafski | time for a meeting, bb :D |
| 15:57.58 | cogwheel | Wobin: a term I wish wasn't necessary to describe functions that aren't members of a class |
| 15:58.04 | Wobin | oh |
| 15:58.10 | Wobin | sort of disassociated ones |
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| 15:58.48 | Wobin | well, one thing about extensions, is that you lock it to a certain signature |
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| 15:59.28 | Wobin | PS, you need a better term to aid SEO =P |
| 16:00.05 | Wobin | I propose "Ronin Function" |
| 16:00.13 | kd3|netbook | lol |
| 16:00.27 | jnwhiteh | kd3|netbook: because that's not actually working, its binding to localhost on the myserver.com |
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| 16:05.53 | cogwheel | station |
| 16:05.54 | Lunessa | statio |
| 16:06.08 | Lunessa | is so tired he couldn't type the 'n.' |
| 16:09.32 | Motig | Am I correct thinking it's not possible to change the target of a secure action button during combat? |
| 16:10.15 | Lunessa | Motig generally, that's correct. |
| 16:11.02 | Motig | I wanted to change the target based on who whispered me but yeah |
| 16:11.07 | Motig | seems that it's not allowed |
| 16:11.11 | Lunessa | Yeah, not going to happen. |
| 16:11.16 | Motig | That's too bad! |
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| 16:12.03 | Lunessa | New Cataclysm launcher is nice to look at, easy to use, but the damned thing crashed 4 times. *sigh* |
| 16:12.25 | Motig | nooo and now notepad++ crashed as well |
| 16:12.30 | Motig | and yeah it looks very slick |
| 16:13.34 | foxlit | Lunessa: mine refuses to launch now |
| 16:13.46 | foxlit | "cannot obtain patching information." |
| 16:14.54 | Lunessa | foxlit poopy. I could zip up my install for you... but I have no where to put 17 gigs. |
| 16:15.29 | foxlit | Lunessa: you could try zipping WTF/*.wtf, which'd be a bit smaller |
| 16:15.46 | Lunessa | I /did/ leave it running all night to seed though. :) |
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| 16:23.22 | Maldivia | Lunessa: you dont seed if you're at 100% |
| 16:24.06 | Lunessa | Maldivia It appears I'm still serving files though. |
| 16:24.27 | Maldivia | foxlit: I had the same issue, I had to run the repair tool a million times |
| 16:24.38 | foxlit | Maldivia: repair just bails |
| 16:25.00 | Maldivia | bails with unable to download blah blah? start it again, and it will resume |
| 16:25.19 | foxlit | No, bails like "I don't know what you want from me, go reinstall wow" |
| 16:25.25 | Maldivia | ohh |
| 16:25.45 | Maldivia | GB or US version? |
| 16:26.12 | Jamash | so, are female worgen going to make release? |
| 16:26.18 | Jamash | or is that gonna be patch 4.1 |
| 16:26.28 | Fisker | i came Lunessa |
| 16:26.32 | Fisker | over the new launcher |
| 16:26.35 | Fisker | works fine here etc |
| 16:27.03 | Lunessa | Fisker That's a pretty low bar for achieving physical release. You should consult a physician. |
| 16:27.03 | Maldivia | foxlit: hmm, which files are you missing, do you know? |
| 16:27.32 | Maldivia | foxlit: as in, what version is wow.exe, and have you downloaded the 1.1 gig patch |
| 16:27.32 | foxlit | Maldivia: shouldn't really be missing anything; it applied 12857 a while back. |
| 16:28.34 | Maldivia | ok, so you have wow-update-12857 in its final version? |
| 16:28.50 | Fisker | i disagree Lunessa |
| 16:28.56 | foxlit | Presumably, yes. That's what the launcher says now, too. |
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| 16:29.16 | Maldivia | what version does it report in the title? |
| 16:29.43 | foxlit | .12587 |
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| 16:30.06 | Jamash | not 12857? |
| 16:31.41 | Lunessa | Anyone else notice how it'll completely kill your outbound connections while running? Or should I just go yell at CrapCast for their packet-shaping policies again? |
| 16:31.59 | Jamash | both |
| 16:32.12 | foxlit | Jamash: hm, yes, 857. |
| 16:32.29 | zenzelezz | it? |
| 16:32.32 | foxlit | Lunessa: I disable P2P for blizzard downloaders. |
| 16:32.54 | Jamash | they need to put in a rate limit option |
| 16:32.58 | foxlit | Their BT implementation is kind of meh. |
| 16:33.26 | Fisker | once upon a time zenzelezz |
| 16:33.37 | Jamash | we've been at this for how long? six years and they still don't have a bandwidth cap option? |
| 16:33.41 | Fisker | in b4 it's fine foxlit |
| 16:34.00 | foxlit | Does it have endgame mode yet? |
| 16:34.10 | foxlit | Though they fixed that problem by flooding it with their own peers. |
| 16:34.36 | Lunessa | When I disable P2P Ito just do HTTP downloading it's sloooooow |
| 16:34.54 | Maldivia | that's because the downloader caps the http seeds :P |
| 16:34.57 | Fisker | http downloading is fine Lunessa |
| 16:35.07 | Maldivia | just download it directly instead :P |
| 16:35.09 | Fisker | i download at 2.4MB/s |
| 16:35.15 | Fisker | that a cap! |
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| 16:40.11 | Fisker | just looks at Sixen |
| 16:40.25 | DWSR | wow |
| 16:40.27 | cogwheel | hai Sixen |
| 16:40.36 | DWSR | My fucking mobile authenticator just gave me 55555133 |
| 16:40.43 | Fisker | fuck you? |
| 16:40.47 | cogwheel | why "fucking" ? |
| 16:40.51 | cogwheel | random number is random |
| 16:40.58 | DWSR | Clearly. |
| 16:41.11 | DWSR | I just woke up. |
| 16:41.21 | Lunessa | I think he's griping because it's extra digits? |
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| 16:41.33 | DWSR | After being asleep for 2 hours because I was rudely awoken this morning at 6:30 to go to the dentists. |
| 16:41.34 | Sixen | hai2u cogwheel |
| 16:41.35 | DWSR | Lunessa: No. |
| 16:41.40 | DWSR | Mobile always has an extra 2. |
| 16:41.41 | Sixen | I hit Diamond solo last night, :) |
| 16:41.44 | cogwheel | Lunessa: the app has 2 more digits than the physical auth |
| 16:41.50 | Lunessa | Ah. |
| 16:41.50 | DWSR | ^ |
| 16:41.51 | cogwheel | nice :) |
| 16:41.54 | Sixen | =] |
| 16:41.57 | DWSR | grats Sixen. |
| 16:42.01 | cogwheel | now go watch episode 3 |
| 16:42.02 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:42.05 | DWSR | What's your favourite rave? |
| 16:42.09 | DWSR | s/rave/race/ |
| 16:42.15 | Lunessa | is on 1.5 hours sleep. I may ... less sharp ... than normal. |
| 16:42.41 | TC-Work | Lunessa: so....normal then? |
| 16:42.43 | cogwheel | Lunessa: if the ad campaign is anything to go by, you should get claratin |
| 16:42.45 | cogwheel | >< |
| 16:42.59 | Sixen | Thanks dwsr |
| 16:43.29 | Lunessa | TC-Work Why yes, on sleep-dep with 3/4 of my capacity reduced, I do feel rather like a normal person must. |
| 16:43.36 | DWSR | b.net broke? |
| 16:44.49 | TC-Work | clever Lunessa |
| 16:45.11 | Lunessa | If I stay up much longer, I may sink to the Fisker level. |
| 16:45.37 | DWSR | Is that like the 14th level of purgatory? |
| 16:45.43 | DWSR | (Did I get that reference right?) |
| 16:45.59 | Lunessa | more or less. |
| 16:46.03 | TC-Work | i dunno Lunessa, Fisker can be clever when he wants to be |
| 16:46.07 | Sixen | There's 14 levels? |
| 16:46.11 | TC-Work | which is usually never in this channel |
| 16:46.15 | Sixen | ever. |
| 16:46.31 | Sixen | @DSWR: I play Protoss ;) |
| 16:47.00 | DWSR | Sixen: can you record yourself playing? I'm ok at SC2, but I'm really trying to master 1 race before I move onto others. |
| 16:47.13 | DWSR | And I started with Protoss, for some unknown reason. |
| 16:48.03 | Sixen | I can save a few replays if you'd like |
| 16:48.33 | Lunessa | "Resilience no longer reduces the chance a player will be critically hit by an opponent. " This is what I miss by not looking at PVP functions. |
| 16:49.10 | cogwheel | i played protoss in the beta, terran in the campaign, so i decided to play zerg (after parsing much of the TvZ discussions, mind you) |
| 16:49.52 | DWSR | The reason I picked protoss is for 1 reason and 1 reason only. |
| 16:50.01 | DWSR | I ruined opponents by voidray/motherships. |
| 16:50.03 | Jamash | colossi |
| 16:50.06 | Jamash | boo |
| 16:50.17 | Lunessa | "Carrier has arrived." |
| 16:50.25 | DWSR | This, mind you, was back before they nerfed the everloving hell out of void rays. |
| 16:50.28 | cogwheel | yo mommaship so fat |
| 16:50.51 | TC-Work | >.< |
| 16:51.07 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 16:51.15 | DWSR | Tips would be awesome, replays would be awesome too. |
| 16:51.29 | nicoli_s | DWSR:if you need good replays, check out sc2replayed.com |
| 16:51.30 | DWSR | I'm finding right now my biggest problem is dealing with early attacks. |
| 16:51.39 | Jamash | yo mommaship so fat when she cast time bomb it gets removed from the game |
| 16:51.41 | DWSR | thanks nicoli_s. |
| 16:52.09 | nicoli_s | NP, shes my baby so im whoring her out all over this internet |
| 16:52.35 | Jamash | anyone here know how to use teh twittars |
| 16:53.18 | Jamash | there's some wow t-shirt twitter thing going on and I don't understand their directions |
| 16:53.35 | DWSR | Is it from @Warcraft? |
| 16:53.43 | Jamash | yes |
| 16:54.07 | Sixen | lol cog |
| 16:54.38 | DWSR | Don't see anything about a contest |
| 16:54.53 | Jamash | ClassIconContest |
| 16:55.53 | Jamash | it says to "retweet your answers" which makes no sense to me unless there's a way to add text to a retweet |
| 16:55.53 | DWSR | Oh it's easy. |
| 16:56.03 | DWSR | Yes, there is. |
| 16:56.22 | DWSR | RT format is this: RT @username: tweet |
| 16:56.40 | DWSR | So just do answer RT @Warcraft: question #ClassIconContest |
| 16:56.54 | Jamash | huh |
| 16:57.46 | DWSR | Jamash: When you RT something, all its doing is posting a specific pattern of keywords. You can emulate that. |
| 16:57.52 | DWSR | Without actually hitting the retweet button |
| 16:57.55 | Jamash | so when they say "retweet" they don't mean "click on the retweet button" |
| 16:57.58 | Jamash | stupid twitter |
| 16:58.03 | DWSR | No, stupid Blizzard. |
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| 17:05.01 | Jamash | hmm, so has anyone looked into the new flyout action bar buttons yet to see if we can make new ones ourselves? |
| 17:05.15 | Jamash | 'cause I can totally see working that into my addon |
| 17:05.49 | DWSR | There's an addon that does that already |
| 17:06.03 | Jamash | sweet |
| 17:06.24 | Lunessa | Jamash, yes you can. Iriel wrote an addon that's on WoWI you can use an example. |
| 17:06.24 | Sliker | for portals and stuff, right? |
| 17:06.40 | Jamash | hawt |
| 17:07.06 | Jamash | so I can put all the new skills learned in the current session in one of those |
| 17:07.26 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560541104&sid=2000 |
| 17:07.28 | DWSR | Yes, it's called Select. |
| 17:08.30 | DWSR | nicoli_s: What's a GG? |
| 17:08.38 | DWSR | Just supposed to be an upvote? |
| 17:09.33 | Fisker | oh great |
| 17:09.39 | Fisker | apple is running a fag convention again |
| 17:09.50 | Jamash | when is apple not doing that? |
| 17:09.57 | Fisker | Guess i'll have to live with every apple slide being it's seperate article on tech news sites for the next few hours |
| 17:16.07 | nicoli_s | DWSR:good game and yeah its just like liking or voting something up |
| 17:16.18 | Shirik | http://artoftrolling.com/2010/08/27/forum-troll-think-before-you-post-im-on-a-skateboard/ |
| 17:16.33 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:16.42 | Fisker | Is there a cure for apple? |
| 17:17.01 | cogwheel | they already tried ousting Steve Jobs |
| 17:17.06 | nicoli_s | lol shirik |
| 17:17.07 | cogwheel | that would've done the trick |
| 17:17.50 | Fisker | oh well atleast engadget only did 4 news stories in the last 30 minutes or so |
| 17:18.16 | Fisker | oh yay |
| 17:18.19 | Lunessa | cogwheel Ousting Steve Jobs would not be any kind of wonderful thing for Apple as a company. |
| 17:18.27 | cogwheel | exactly |
| 17:18.31 | cogwheel | we would be cured of apple |
| 17:18.32 | cogwheel | :P |
| 17:18.43 | Lunessa | Suck it mac-hater. |
| 17:18.46 | DWSR | Shirik: Win. |
| 17:18.53 | Fisker | AirPlay - Because we read google blog too, also we'd like to patent it |
| 17:19.36 | cogwheel | Lunessa: thing is i don't hate macs... just steve jobs |
| 17:19.45 | cogwheel | i hated macs before osx |
| 17:19.49 | cogwheel | but that's cause they sucked |
| 17:20.00 | Fisker | i hate macs, apple and steve jobs |
| 17:20.03 | Fisker | also mac os x |
| 17:20.44 | DWSR | Sixen: Any tips for early toss? |
| 17:20.48 | Lunessa | Fisker - you hate everything, so that's not suprising. |
| 17:20.52 | Fisker | PROXY CANNONS DWSR |
| 17:20.52 | DWSR | I keep getting facefucked by early attacks. |
| 17:20.56 | Fisker | or proxy gateway |
| 17:20.57 | DWSR | WAT? |
| 17:21.05 | DWSR | PROXY LOLWAT? |
| 17:21.14 | Fisker | do it before they nerf it jerkwad |
| 17:21.15 | Fisker | etc. |
| 17:21.16 | DWSR | I'M ON A BOAT |
| 17:21.22 | Fisker | nah Lunessa |
| 17:21.25 | Fisker | i don't hate everything |
| 17:21.26 | Sixen | DWSR: believe it or not, usually my strat is always the same |
| 17:21.32 | Sixen | If i'm playing Zerg, I always go Chargelots |
| 17:21.35 | Fisker | proxy cannons Sixen ? |
| 17:21.42 | Fisker | proxy nexus? |
| 17:21.47 | Fisker | mine his mines and steal his gas |
| 17:21.49 | Sixen | Chargelots ruin Speedlings, roaches, and hydras (to an extent) |
| 17:22.33 | cogwheel | DWSR: check out ForceSC2strategy and day9tv on youtube |
| 17:24.05 | Fisker | i think i recall someone doing proxy planetary fortress too |
| 17:24.11 | Fisker | but that was terran |
| 17:24.15 | Fisker | what about proxy mothership? |
| 17:24.20 | cogwheel | drone rush + proxy hatchery ftw |
| 17:24.34 | cogwheel | http://craftingstars.com/main/index.php?q=node/91 |
| 17:26.14 | Sixen | lol cog |
| 17:28.02 | Jamash | scv rush |
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| 17:31.48 | Jamash | no wait, I have it: LARVA RUSH |
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| 17:35.10 | nicoli_s | ive been larva rushed before |
| 17:36.30 | Jamash | yeah? |
| 17:37.38 | DWSR | wait, WAT? |
| 17:38.04 | Jamash | hehe |
| 17:39.37 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 17:39.39 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5NgS7UPsjc#t=4m13s |
| 17:40.11 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 17:41.18 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/9/1/ |
| 17:42.40 | Fisker | i want to hear the story behind that Lunessa |
| 17:42.54 | Jamash | microsoft loves money, film at 11 |
| 17:42.57 | Lunessa | Seriously |
| 17:43.14 | NightHawkTheSane | dear god! my cheevos! |
| 17:43.32 | Fisker | sigh |
| 17:43.34 | Jamash | actually this is good news |
| 17:43.39 | Fisker | the amount of apple newsposts just exploded |
| 17:43.45 | Fisker | like i would sometimes do in my pants |
| 17:43.51 | Jamash | now I'm saving $59.99 a year by not subscribing to live instead of $49.99 |
| 17:43.55 | Fisker | but in other areas of news of course |
| 17:44.05 | Fisker | that's pretty sweet Jamash |
| 17:44.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: nice :P |
| 17:44.35 | Fisker | i'm saving lots of money on pirating my movies for free, instead of comitting identity fraud to pay for pirating it |
| 17:44.43 | Fisker | that's pretty awesome |
| 17:45.51 | Fisker | also tax fraud |
| 17:46.37 | cogwheel | Fisker: i am disappoint |
| 17:46.55 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 17:46.58 | Fisker | why are you disappoint? |
| 17:47.00 | cogwheel | ur not supposed to link things that are actually cool |
| 17:47.24 | Fisker | .( |
| 17:48.06 | Alram | hi fiskerrrrrrrrr |
| 17:48.09 | Alram | my hero! |
| 17:48.21 | Fisker | hey Alram |
| 17:54.14 | foxlit | DWSR: Sixen: Any tips for early toss? << MOAR ZEALOTS. |
| 17:55.56 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah, I sort of got that. |
| 17:55.58 | DWSR | but like....? |
| 17:56.11 | Jamash | MOAR GATEWAYZ |
| 17:56.12 | DWSR | I usually go 10 probes, pylon, gateway, forge, ccore. |
| 17:56.22 | Shirik | no |
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| 17:56.24 | Shirik | nonon |
| 17:56.28 | Jamash | NO FORGE OR CORE |
| 17:56.28 | cogwheel | 9 pylon |
| 17:56.33 | Shirik | more than one gateway |
| 17:56.38 | cogwheel | imo |
| 17:56.48 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:56.54 | Fisker | we must rid the world of evil |
| 17:56.58 | Shirik | ok |
| 17:57.01 | DWSR | Drop the Forge, go double gateway? |
| 17:57.03 | Fisker | PROXY CANNONS DWSR |
| 17:57.03 | Jamash | you need two hundred gateways |
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| 17:57.17 | Jamash | wait what's the supply cap in SCII |
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| 17:57.21 | DWSR | 200 |
| 17:57.22 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 17:57.32 | Jamash | okay, one hundred gateways |
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| 17:57.39 | cogwheel | DWSR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGlxM0V8ieg |
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| 17:58.00 | Fisker | bah |
| 17:58.13 | cogwheel | you say "bah" as if you didn't mean to do that |
| 17:58.32 | Jamash | turn them all into warp gates |
| 17:58.35 | Jamash | summon 100 zealots |
| 17:58.50 | Jamash | FLAWLESS VICTOLY |
| 17:58.52 | Fisker | i think at that point i'd just prefer them to get gateways |
| 17:59.29 | Fisker | just proxy them though |
| 18:00.28 | Lunessa | "Heroic Shadowfang Keep and Heroic Deadmines WILL be released with Cataclysm. You will not have to wait for a later patch." ~Valnoth Oh yeah, baby! Oh yeah. |
| 18:00.35 | Fisker | i'm sick :( |
| 18:00.39 | Ressy | wheres that |
| 18:00.45 | Fisker | why so surprised Lunessa ? |
| 18:00.54 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560501519&sid=2000 |
| 18:01.09 | Lunessa | Not surprized. Just salivating with anticipation. |
| 18:01.31 | Fisker | why didn't you do that when it was initially announced then? |
| 18:01.33 | Ressy | I'm surprised... They stated before it'd be in a patch after Cata. |
| 18:01.50 | foxlit | DWSR: I usually go 10 probes, pylon, gateway, forge, ccore. |
| 18:01.57 | foxlit | Pylon at 9 |
| 18:02.23 | DWSR | Yeah, I'm thinking double gateway, no forge. |
| 18:02.26 | Lunessa | Fisker I was at BlizzCon when they said they were doing a heroic SFK and Dead Mines. I cheered. |
| 18:02.34 | Fisker | naw Ressy |
| 18:02.47 | foxlit | core when gateway completes is nice. |
| 18:02.57 | foxlit | You should probably also sneak another pylon in before the gateway completes. |
| 18:03.03 | Fisker | with proxy gateways you don't need that |
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| 18:06.06 | Lunessa | *headdesk* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560511555&sid=2000 |
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| 18:06.57 | Jamash | bite me |
| 18:07.17 | Fisker | fail Lunessa |
| 18:07.29 | Jamash | is Mcshankstein on the beta forums. |
| 18:07.40 | Fisker | maybe he doesn't know that addons generally rely on a bunch of different server events |
| 18:07.51 | Jamash | maybe a suggestion is just a suggestion |
| 18:08.07 | Fisker | imma fuck you up then Jamash |
| 18:08.26 | Jamash | it's been done |
| 18:08.26 | cogwheel | Jamash: people have been suggesting such a thing for > 5 years imo |
| 18:08.29 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:08.51 | Jamash | people have been suggesting that they put a rate limit option on the blizz downloader for > 5 years and it's still a good idea |
| 18:09.42 | Fisker | it really isn't |
| 18:09.42 | foxlit | It's a meh idea |
| 18:09.44 | Lunessa | Maybe, people need to think about how client/server applications work. People ask for this essentially every maintenance (sp?) on live. The point is the game client needs the server to do anything really useful. And Blizzard isn't in the business of support emulated server events. |
| 18:09.44 | batbot | Lunessa, maintenance is correct. |
| 18:09.45 | cogwheel | uncheck "don't throttle background download" imo |
| 18:09.48 | foxlit | There really isn't enough downtime to bother |
| 18:10.17 | foxlit | And if (when) you release a "nothing on" server, people will start whining at you to add mobs so you could test combat. |
| 18:10.30 | Jamash | what I really want is a server where addon authors get gm access |
| 18:10.49 | Jamash | testing a feature that only triggers when I level up is annoying |
| 18:10.52 | foxlit | I want to know why my wow mouse randomly switches profiles. |
| 18:11.04 | Fisker | GM access requires gm tools as well Jamash |
| 18:11.16 | Lunessa | So basically what people really want is either off-line, single-player WoW or no downtime ever. |
| 18:11.27 | Fisker | standard client (if they didn't remove that a long time ago) only got access to account info and teleporting |
| 18:11.29 | Jamash | sure |
| 18:11.52 | Fisker | teleport could be useful for everyone though |
| 18:11.54 | Lunessa | Niether of which it makes real business sense for Blizzard to expend resources on. |
| 18:12.04 | Fisker | or atleast something like "worldport home" |
| 18:12.12 | Jamash | I'm not demanding blizzard do everything I want, I'm just saying having a sandbox to test addons in would be cool |
| 18:12.29 | foxlit | btw, I wonder what's going on with their cross faction communication rule and realid |
| 18:12.37 | Jamash | nothing |
| 18:13.24 | Lunessa | foxlit I use real id to talk to people on the other faction all day long. I suspect they'll just leave things "as is" with the mental schizm. |
| 18:14.07 | Fisker | I guess the point is that "omg it says no cross faction chat" |
| 18:14.11 | Fisker | in which case, been there done that |
| 18:14.33 | Fisker | Blizzard can make any excemption they want, including themselves |
| 18:14.52 | Fisker | kinda similar to the "omg blizzard is breaking the naming policy"-arguments |
| 18:15.01 | Fisker | Blizzard isn't subject to that policy, etc. |
| 18:15.02 | Fisker | herp derp |
| 18:15.32 | Jamash | see you're not communicating with a character on the opposing faction, you're communicating with a person who is on battle.net |
| 18:16.01 | Jamash | who just happens to be playing a character on the opposing faction |
| 18:16.11 | Fisker | heck yeah you can even make that argument |
| 18:16.12 | Jamash | herp derp indeed |
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| 18:21.09 | Jamash | basically the "no cross-faction chat" is only there to prevent smack talking getting ugly |
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| 18:21.26 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:22.07 | cbreak | on that same topic |
| 18:22.22 | cbreak | I want to be able to report people in SC2 for being rude. |
| 18:22.44 | Shirik | Does someone have a good example of a way to cause taint? |
| 18:22.47 | cbreak | I had one exceptionally unfriendly being call me names already. |
| 18:22.51 | Shirik | Like maybe to stop CastSpellByName from working? |
| 18:22.51 | Lunessa | Ah hell, I'd be reported with great frequency. |
| 18:22.53 | Ackis | Shirik: be male |
| 18:22.55 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:22.57 | Fisker | you can do so cbreak |
| 18:23.01 | Ackis | :P |
| 18:23.04 | Fisker | just rightclick their name and report them |
| 18:23.09 | DWSR | Is 60 workers excessive? |
| 18:23.14 | NightHawkTheSane | shit if people reported for being rude, I'd get reported anytime i said anything |
| 18:23.14 | Jamash | 200 workers |
| 18:23.16 | alestane | There's a forceinsecure() function, Shirik. |
| 18:23.16 | cbreak | Shirik: hook CastSpellByName |
| 18:23.24 | Shirik | I meant a non-obvious way |
| 18:24.03 | Lunessa | shirk how about change the value of a global? |
| 18:24.03 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: there's a difference between merely 'rude' and name-calling, though |
| 18:24.18 | cbreak | I don't consider winning against me rude. |
| 18:24.36 | Jamash | are we talking "you suck" rude or "mexican jew lizard" rude? |
| 18:24.54 | Ackis | poor lizard |
| 18:24.55 | cbreak | is there a difference? |
| 18:24.58 | Jamash | yes |
| 18:25.07 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: I can be very rude to people without calling anyone names. |
| 18:25.33 | Jamash | "you suck" is rude, "mexican jew lizard" is racist and or speciesist |
| 18:25.51 | cbreak | nah |
| 18:25.51 | Jamash | just look at their policy page |
| 18:25.54 | Shirik | Lunessa: Any ideas on which one? |
| 18:25.55 | cbreak | there are many mexicans and jews |
| 18:26.02 | Shirik | I can't seem to find the Blizz code that calls CastSpellByName |
| 18:26.07 | cbreak | calling someone a mexican or a jew is not racist |
| 18:26.33 | Lunessa | Shirik off the top of my head, no. |
| 18:27.04 | alestane | The only places I know of it off hand are SecureTemplates.lua and maybe Bindings.xml. |
| 18:27.19 | Shirik | found one |
| 18:27.20 | Shirik | MAX_SPELLS |
| 18:27.38 | Lunessa | Shirik that ought to do it. |
| 18:27.42 | alestane | Oh, and probably the spell book code. |
| 18:27.59 | Jamash | are we talking about live or cata beta? |
| 18:28.18 | Jamash | ChatFrame.lua and SecureTemplates.lua in cata beta |
| 18:29.25 | Jamash | wtb beta servers |
| 18:30.06 | Shirik | 9/1 11:28:29.852 Execution tainted by MACRO_TAINT while reading MAX_SPELLS - Interface\FrameXML\SpellBookFrame.lua:357 SpellButton_OnModifiedClick() |
| 18:30.06 | Shirik | :) |
| 18:30.14 | Lunessa | "The goal is for servers to come up today. Hopefully soon(tm)..." ~Valnoth |
| 18:30.21 | Jamash | yay soon -_- |
| 18:30.49 | Lunessa | That was about 20 minutes ago by the time stamp |
| 18:31.28 | Jamash | oh well, I guess I'll just start familiarizing myself with the new UI code hotness |
| 18:32.28 | Spejnar | ours has been up since 3pm, osum |
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| 18:33.36 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, THIS is going to be fun |
| 18:33.41 | Lunessa | trying to decide if I'm consious enough to drive to get food or if I should order delivery. |
| 18:34.00 | foxlit | Shirik: for k,v in pairs(_G) do _G[k] = v; end |
| 18:34.00 | Seerah | order |
| 18:34.05 | foxlit | problem solved. |
| 18:34.10 | Seerah | don't want you on the pavement, Lunessa ;) |
| 18:34.16 | foxlit | or even CastSpellByName = CastSpellByName |
| 18:34.27 | Lunessa | Seerah! You has internetz! |
| 18:34.43 | Seerah | my desktop has internetz! yay! |
| 18:35.07 | Seerah | laptops aren't so fun for spending tons of time on... |
| 18:35.29 | Lunessa | The keyboard is pretty cramped on most models. |
| 18:36.03 | Seerah | I also missed my 24" screen and dual monitor setup. *nod* |
| 18:36.35 | alestane | brb, coreservicesd is eating 80% CPU for some reason. |
| 18:36.54 | Lunessa | If I have to go back to single-monitor for daily use, I will cry. |
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| 18:39.56 | NightHawkTheSane | They're splitting off the front-end developers/professional services guys (including myself) into a separate group with our own Sprint cycle. I get to be the scrum master. That's all well and good, except I'm basically also a part of the product team's sprint cycle (the team I'm currently on). >< |
| 18:40.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yay for twice as many meetings |
| 18:40.06 | NightHawkTheSane | wanders off to lunch |
| 18:42.11 | Maldivia | *smirk* "The goal is for servers to come up today. Hopefully soon(tm)..." |
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| 18:46.16 | DWSR | wow. |
| 18:46.21 | DWSR | I got placed in Silver in 2s |
| 18:46.25 | DWSR | While playing with randoms. |
| 18:46.30 | DWSR | And then bronze when playing with my friend. |
| 18:46.33 | DWSR | My friend must suck |
| 18:47.49 | foxlit | You communicate with your friend how? |
| 18:48.42 | DWSR | Voice. |
| 18:48.56 | foxlit | Oh. That's better than my average platinum pug. |
| 18:49.10 | DWSR | I dunno. |
| 18:49.15 | DWSR | I can place silver with randoms. |
| 18:49.21 | DWSR | That's probably because my micro has gotten a /ton/ better. |
| 18:49.29 | DWSR | And because the other team is also random. |
| 18:49.38 | foxlit | No guarantees about that, iirc. |
| 18:49.51 | DWSR | that my micro is better? |
| 18:49.53 | DWSR | ;) |
| 18:50.06 | foxlit | that the opposing team is of the same type as your own. |
| 18:50.17 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 18:50.31 | DWSR | I'm happy with Silver. |
| 18:50.34 | DWSR | I don't play it that much. |
| 18:50.46 | DWSR | SC2 is micro heavy for me. |
| 18:50.52 | DWSR | I preferred something like AoE, more macro heavy. |
| 18:50.55 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 18:51.04 | foxlit | I a-move my way to greatness. |
| 18:51.40 | nevcairiel | that new downloader is awesome. Its not downloading shit. |
| 18:51.56 | DWSR | Saving on bandwidth, is it? |
| 18:51.57 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah. |
| 18:51.58 | DWSR | a-move. |
| 18:52.09 | DWSR | Single awesomeest thing evar. |
| 18:52.23 | nevcairiel | ah restarting it 3 times made it do things =P |
| 18:52.31 | nevcairiel | for about 5 seconds |
| 18:52.38 | foxlit | My point is mainly that you don't really need zomgsweetmicro. |
| 18:52.54 | foxlit | Remembering to hit inject larvae will do the trick. |
| 18:53.04 | jnwhiteh | huh |
| 18:53.07 | jnwhiteh | why is us battle.net down? |
| 18:53.28 | Sixen | It's been down a lot the last few days |
| 18:53.46 | Lunessa | Anyone checked the "Credits" on the cataclysm client? Nifty high-speed slideshow of concept art. |
| 18:54.05 | amro | foxlit: that's because 90% of players have giant gaps in their gameplans that you can easily exploit if you scout them out |
| 18:54.19 | amro | when someone is covering all their bases, you're going to need zomgsweetmicro |
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| 18:55.17 | amro | also, inject larva is zerg's macro mechanic |
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| 18:56.16 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: they are replaces the old ipods with the new ones, so it'll run a bit faster |
| 18:56.34 | cogwheel | yeah the thing with zerg is a lot of their macro mechanics require micro-management |
| 18:58.52 | jnwhiteh | ooh I ordered SC2 |
| 18:58.59 | cogwheel | \o/ |
| 19:01.12 | Adys | http://chzsomuchpun.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/1e1012b0-64df-4021-955e-f0535d493c91.jpg |
| 19:02.42 | nicoli_s | my god thats cheesy |
| 19:03.42 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 19:03.44 | jnwhiteh | to pay for amazon prime |
| 19:03.44 | jnwhiteh | or no |
| 19:03.47 | jnwhiteh | ponders |
| 19:04.11 | jnwhiteh | renew I mean |
| 19:04.23 | nicoli_s | prime? whats dat |
| 19:04.46 | Ackis | just got another job interview. |
| 19:04.51 | jnwhiteh | huzzah! |
| 19:04.52 | foxlit | One up on Amazon Composite |
| 19:05.19 | cogwheel | nicoli_s: you pay a fee and get free 2-day shipping on all your orders among other perks |
| 19:05.52 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: isn't amazon prime free for post-secondary students? |
| 19:06.27 | Dagmar | This assumes you're buying your stuff from Amazon |
| 19:06.38 | Sixen | I thought it was free for College students period? |
| 19:06.44 | Dagmar | ...rather than through one of their affiliated stores they're basically running an eMall for. |
| 19:06.50 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: in the US |
| 19:06.51 | jnwhiteh | i think |
| 19:06.57 | Dagmar | Amazon Prime doesn't do you a bit of good with those |
| 19:06.59 | Adys | Git users: Git devs published a usability and design survey on Git if any of you have 10 mins to fill it |
| 19:07.00 | Adys | https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitSurvey2010 |
| 19:07.40 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: how's that? |
| 19:08.01 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: UK its not free |
| 19:08.02 | cogwheel | the prime perks only apply to stuff shipped from amazon itself |
| 19:08.06 | Dagmar | The shipping perks only appply to things you buy directly *from* amazon |
| 19:08.18 | Dagmar | I fell for that shit too. |
| 19:08.20 | jnwhiteh | Dagmar: yes, so you only buy those |
| 19:08.25 | jnwhiteh | its not an issue with me |
| 19:08.27 | Dagmar | I wound up cancelling it before the trial expired |
| 19:08.27 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 19:08.32 | cogwheel | (^ @ jnwhiteh ) |
| 19:08.39 | jnwhiteh | if you buy books once per month, it pays for itself |
| 19:08.55 | nicoli_s | Adys:and i bet you get paid when we answer those surveys too |
| 19:08.56 | Dagmar | I looked at the stuff I've bought from them for the last year, and less than 10% of the time was I actually buying _from_ Amazon |
| 19:09.08 | jnwhiteh | that's your personal purchasing |
| 19:09.13 | jnwhiteh | so it doesn't work for you! |
| 19:09.15 | jnwhiteh | that's okay :P |
| 19:09.18 | Adys | nicoli_s: $.50 per answer |
| 19:09.19 | cogwheel | then you're not th intended audience |
| 19:09.24 | jnwhiteh | its not a scam :P |
| 19:09.34 | nevcairiel | I love prime |
| 19:09.36 | Dagmar | Then let's have htem stop bombarding me about it then, shall we? |
| 19:09.42 | nevcairiel | stuff gets here faster and for free |
| 19:10.25 | Dagmar | The sad thing is that you can be looking right at a sub-store (whatever you want to call it) and you're not buying it from Amazon and Amazon is STILL showing the text "If you had amazon prime shipping might be free on this!" |
| 19:10.36 | nevcairiel | also, at least here there are some vendors that sell the stuff, but let amazon ship it, so prime catches it |
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| 19:14.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | i use my dad's prime account - |
| 19:14.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | you can have up to 3 people on one prime account |
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| 19:29.10 | jnwhiteh | sylvaan: aye |
| 19:29.10 | Dagmar | Oh wow |
| 19:29.21 | Dagmar | Discovery HD just got a crapload more interesting |
| 19:29.22 | Dagmar | http://www.businessinsider.com/discovery-channel-hostage-taker-demands-2010-9 |
| 19:30.34 | Maldivia | PR stunt... :) |
| 19:30.48 | kd3|netbook | the hell? they posted his demands? |
| 19:31.18 | Sixen | lawl |
| 19:32.06 | cogwheel | sylvaan: my boss called me his nephew so i could be on his prime account |
| 19:32.47 | nicoli_s | id watch discovery more often if they just displayed this guy's crazy rants |
| 19:35.12 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 19:35.24 | Sixen | no doubt |
| 19:36.22 | DWSR | Suggestions for a program to find out mobo/CPU temperature? |
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| 19:37.19 | Maldivia | OS? |
| 19:39.13 | DWSR | running XP |
| 19:39.19 | Maldivia | try SpeedFan then |
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| 19:41.08 | Dagmar | ...or Motherboard Monitor. Either one will do. |
| 19:41.43 | Maldivia | motherboard monitor is just so bloated :P |
| 19:42.41 | Dagmar | not bloated. |
| 19:47.17 | theorbtwo | speedfan++ |
| 19:49.36 | Dagmar | "Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. |
| 19:49.45 | Dagmar | too, too epic. |
| 19:51.17 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:53.24 | nicoli_s | i guess nuts have been saying everything else is evil and killing america, its now time to turn our sites on the root of all evil, literally, babies |
| 19:54.19 | cogwheel | nah it's the people having the babies |
| 19:54.22 | rocode | The funny thing is, Dagmar, those people who want all humans to die tend to not realize that humans also help the environment in some ways, and a world without them wouldn't be "perfect". |
| 19:54.28 | cogwheel | babies don't care if they don't get created |
| 19:55.41 | Sixen | lol |
| 19:55.45 | Sixen | "No, don't make me." |
| 19:59.10 | Dagmar | rocode: Don't even start. You've no idea what you're talking about. |
| 19:59.18 | Fisker | slaps Sixen around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:59.26 | Fisker | flexes |
| 19:59.56 | Sixen | ? |
| 20:00.19 | Fisker | my awesome levels are just through the roof Sixen |
| 20:00.21 | Fisker | that's all |
| 20:00.23 | rocode | ..? |
| 20:00.31 | Torhal | Sixen: It's Fisker...do you really need an explanation? |
| 20:00.45 | rocode | Dagmar, I think I do, from reading the opinion peices from the said proponents? |
| 20:01.27 | Sixen | Truth. |
| 20:01.33 | Fisker | why do you hate me Torhal ? |
| 20:02.12 | Shirik | Esamynn: ping |
| 20:02.22 | Esamynn | Shirik: pong |
| 20:02.23 | Fisker | why do you hate me Shirik ? |
| 20:02.29 | Shirik | is wowcompares having problems? |
| 20:02.31 | Shirik | all the images don't seem to work |
| 20:02.48 | Dagmar | rocode: So please explain how the theories of Thomas Malthus "wants all humans to die" |
| 20:02.58 | rocode | I did not say such. |
| 20:03.19 | rocode | I am talking about a movement, not the theories of Thomas Malthus. |
| 20:03.21 | Dagmar | Then what does "those people who want all humans to die" have to do with this wanker at Discovery HD, because he's a _Malthusian_ |
| 20:04.03 | ckknight | the happiness of the general population cannot persist if population and thus demand on resources continues to outstretch our supply |
| 20:04.13 | rocode | Seriously? Are you seriously taking my statement and applying it to a previous statement from an individual who I did not even mention or allude to? |
| 20:04.40 | Dagmar | rocode: Then wtf are you talking to me about that for |
| 20:04.56 | Esamynn | Shirik: was there something you wanted? |
| 20:05.06 | Dagmar | You just decided to talk about some completely unrelated group out of the blue and direct the comment at me? |
| 20:05.35 | rocode | I was speaking in a generality relating to a fundemental position in the theory of the so called Ecoside, and mentioning how the statement made me think of that. |
| 20:05.40 | cogwheel | literal, myopic dagmar is literal and myopic |
| 20:05.42 | cogwheel | :P |
| 20:05.47 | nicoli_s | ckknight:who gives a shit, my happiness > everyone else's happiness |
| 20:06.01 | ckknight | you wouldn't mind if you were dead |
| 20:06.11 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:06.48 | nicoli_s | i would so mind |
| 20:06.58 | nicoli_s | if my fingernails and hair are still growing, i still mind |
| 20:07.07 | Sixen | lawl |
| 20:07.08 | rocode | Mine was a offer of comparison, not labelling. |
| 20:07.10 | cogwheel | they don't actually |
| 20:07.18 | rocode | =) |
| 20:07.19 | cogwheel | the skin shrivels away from the fingernails and follicles |
| 20:07.22 | cogwheel | (sp?) |
| 20:07.35 | cogwheel | so it only looks like they keep growing |
| 20:07.44 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Perhaps you'd care to explain how the hell I'm supposed to see that he was apparently talking about something completely unrelated? |
| 20:07.49 | nicoli_s | thats good enough for me to still mind |
| 20:07.55 | Dagmar | ...instead of just insulting me as "myopic" |
| 20:07.55 | cogwheel | "completely unrelated" is your problem |
| 20:08.05 | cogwheel | im' just being a dick don't mind me :P |
| 20:08.13 | Dagmar | okay. fair 'nuff |
| 20:08.28 | ckknight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKjsUL-escE |
| 20:08.36 | rocode | Cata servers need to get up. Bugs need attendin' |
| 20:08.43 | Dagmar | I'm going to be out twenny bucks if that guy blows himself up |
| 20:08.47 | ckknight | prank video, skip to 4:00 where it gets interesting |
| 20:08.54 | Dagmar | I don't think I'm going to be out the twenty bucks tho. |
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| 20:11.07 | alestane | 'Just the fact that he thinks the channel of "American Loggers," "Deadliest Catch," "Dirty Jobs," "Ghost Lab," "Swamp Loggers," "Pitchmen" and "Shark Week" will be his allies in his crusade to end the blight of humanity suggests there is something wrong in his head.' |
| 20:12.39 | rocode | ckknight, obviously fake |
| 20:12.51 | Fisker | hey ckknight |
| 20:13.09 | ckknight | rocode: yea, but still funny |
| 20:13.11 | ckknight | hey Fisker |
| 20:14.16 | Fisker | the candid camera one was way better |
| 20:24.33 | cogwheel | having seen someone actually killed by being run over from a car, i'm going to try to go work down this nausea |
| 20:25.00 | Ackis | what happened cogwheel? |
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| 20:25.30 | cogwheel | the nausea from ckknight. the accident i saw was right-of-way fail |
| 20:26.02 | ckknight | sorry, cogwheel |
| 20:26.10 | ckknight | it's fake |
| 20:26.12 | cogwheel | a car slowed down to let someone cross (not at a crosswalk). She hesitated, then decided to start crossing right after the car decided to start going again |
| 20:26.14 | ckknight | the car should've been dented |
| 20:26.15 | cogwheel | yeah |
| 20:26.38 | Ackis | interesting to note, I saw a kid get hit by a car when I was a kid, and apparently had repressed the memory up until a few months ago |
| 20:28.29 | cogwheel | also i'm not buying the dent argument as proof of fakery, though there's plenty of other proof of it |
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| 20:37.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah it depends on the car and its shape, ive seen a video of a race car hitting a deer without getting a dent because it deflected it off instead of having a real impact |
| 20:38.49 | cogwheel | not to mention the speed of impact. Surely if it were real she would've died from hitting the ground and being crushed, not from the initial impact |
| 20:39.14 | TC-Work | i saw someone get hit by an ambulance, get up, and walk away |
| 20:39.23 | TC-Work | was rather amusing actauly |
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| 20:55.14 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 20:55.20 | DWSR | Anyone got tips on how to get SC2 voice chat working? |
| 20:55.28 | DWSR | I can't for the life of me get any actual speech. |
| 20:57.57 | DWSR | nevermind. |
| 20:57.59 | DWSR | Apparently it works now. |
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| 21:00.26 | cogwheel | DWSR: i can't either. at least not the test mode |
| 21:00.41 | cogwheel | the meter indicates it can "hear" me but it never plays back the test |
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| 21:02.06 | kd3|netbook | whee... back up to a cat 4 as it whacks into the eastern seaboard |
| 21:05.29 | kd3|netbook | ...have they still not brought the beta servers up? |
| 21:05.37 | A-KO | nope |
| 21:05.49 | TC-Work | kd3|netbook: let me know if the 2 storm fronst meet up |
| 21:05.51 | A-KO | kd3|netbook: I expect the storm to not cause too much trouble, at least here in Baltimore :P |
| 21:05.56 | TC-Work | (i never watch the news) |
| 21:05.57 | A-KO | I wish it would come up the bya though |
| 21:05.59 | cogwheel | is that from yesterdays maintenance? |
| 21:06.00 | A-KO | and I keep my power and internet on |
| 21:06.02 | A-KO | and have off of work |
| 21:06.04 | A-KO | yes cogwheel |
| 21:06.05 | kd3|netbook | yar |
| 21:06.51 | kd3|netbook | I'm off work tomorrow. yay. first day off between work/school for a few weeks now |
| 21:07.12 | cogwheel | doesn't miss school one bit. nope. nuh uh. |
| 21:07.36 | kd3|netbook | meh, I'm glad I'm back, if only for the hot coeds running around in bikinis |
| 21:07.50 | A-KO | I'm tempted to go back to school |
| 21:07.52 | A-KO | I've been reviewing |
| 21:07.55 | A-KO | gathering my transcripts |
| 21:07.57 | A-KO | just gotta figure out the $ |
| 21:08.02 | A-KO | and wondering if it's really worth it |
| 21:08.04 | A-KO | I think it might be |
| 21:08.05 | A-KO | but who knows |
| 21:08.21 | A-KO | I think in my immediate field it would definitely put me above anybody I know |
| 21:08.40 | A-KO | well, except my buddy with a TS--but I'm pretty sure I could get clearance as needed if that were the case :P |
| 21:10.13 | cogwheel | I've got an LSAT test that's good for one more year if i ever decide to go to law school |
| 21:10.49 | |Jelly| | gogo |
| 21:10.57 | kd3|netbook | law school is $$$ |
| 21:11.05 | cogwheel | depends on the school |
| 21:11.23 | kd3|netbook | would you want a law degree from a cheap-ass law school, though? |
| 21:11.25 | cogwheel | in CA you're allowed to learn directly from practicing attorneys |
| 21:11.30 | kd3|netbook | ooh |
| 21:11.37 | |Jelly| | "Oh, you're not a lawyer; you have no idea what you're talking about." -- Arrogant Cockbags on the forums "Oh, well actually . . ." <3 |
| 21:11.45 | |Jelly| | You and Kamdis could hook up. lol |
| 21:12.21 | cogwheel | there's a local community college that has one of the most popular law schools in the area. all the teachers are attorneys so they don't really work like a regular law school |
| 21:12.39 | cogwheel | 25% of the sonoma county bar graduated from it. |
| 21:12.41 | |Jelly| | Granted from talking to her, it seems that her area of law would be somewhat ... mundane. But of course, all I really have to base my opinion on is the likes of Law and Order where it's all "ZOMG! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" kind of stuff. |
| 21:13.27 | cogwheel | The superior court actually shares a building with the college |
| 21:13.53 | |Jelly| | That sounds like a win-win, cog. |
| 21:14.05 | cogwheel | and it's evening classes |
| 21:14.14 | |Jelly| | BTW ... you said that you're not very good at SC2, right? |
| 21:14.19 | cogwheel | and i don't need a bachelor's degree (just need to take some CLEP tests) |
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| 21:14.37 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: http://www.youtube.com/user/cogwheel42 |
| 21:15.05 | |Jelly| | Richard Cheese .. kek |
| 21:15.25 | cogwheel | yay someone else who knows of him |
| 21:15.48 | |Jelly| | ZOMG! 1080p! |
| 21:16.00 | |Jelly| | in any case .... |
| 21:17.09 | Thunder_Child | you |
| 21:17.10 | TC-Work | know |
| 21:17.17 | |Jelly| | Your conversation with yourself is pretty funny |
| 21:17.27 | TC-Work | it's really iritating how often the new pather dies |
| 21:17.40 | TC-Work | patcher* |
| 21:17.52 | TC-Work | |Jelly|: i'm re moted in at home as well ^_^ |
| 21:17.58 | TC-Work | i'm checking the patcher |
| 21:18.09 | Ressy | new patcher dies? I haven't had any probs with it. |
| 21:18.15 | |Jelly| | me neither |
| 21:18.17 | TC-Work | it keeps crasing on me |
| 21:18.21 | TC-Work | crashing* |
| 21:18.29 | TC-Work | but the process keeps running |
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| 21:18.54 | Ressy | Have you posted the crash log? |
| 21:19.18 | kd3|netbook | I've been hearing x64 users complaining about it |
| 21:19.26 | kd3|netbook | had absolutely no problems last night in wine |
| 21:19.28 | kd3|netbook | which is nice |
| 21:19.32 | Ressy | I'm on Vista 64.. No probs. |
| 21:19.44 | A-KO | huh? |
| 21:19.46 | A-KO | crash what? |
| 21:19.52 | A-KO | oh, patcher works fine here |
| 21:19.53 | A-KO | 7 x64 |
| 21:19.58 | A-KO | run it as local admin |
| 21:20.03 | A-KO | try elevating it once |
| 21:20.15 | TC-Work | i am admin |
| 21:20.20 | Ressy | doesn't matter. |
| 21:20.22 | Ressy | Run as Admin. |
| 21:20.29 | Ressy | You must elevate settings. |
| 21:20.29 | A-KO | right click it, run as administrator |
| 21:20.38 | A-KO | you should only have to do it once if that's the problem |
| 21:20.40 | TC-Work | yes, i am aware how to do it |
| 21:21.07 | DWSR | wow. |
| 21:21.14 | DWSR | I keep raping people with a random opponent. |
| 21:21.25 | DWSR | Either my partners have all been amazing, or my opponents have all sucked. |
| 21:21.28 | DWSR | I'm about to hit Gold... |
| 21:22.44 | |Jelly| | Is there a 'so bad my friends don't even want to play with me' category? |
| 21:23.20 | Ressy | is this sc2? |
| 21:23.24 | DWSR | yes |
| 21:23.26 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: I played at about that level for my placement matches and still made it into Silver league |
| 21:23.35 | |Jelly| | hmmm |
| 21:23.42 | cogwheel | Shirik never asks me to play QQ |
| 21:23.45 | Ressy | Ah.. Hubby bought it yesterday, and hasn't talked to me since. *sigh* |
| 21:24.07 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 21:24.09 | |Jelly| | Play with him! |
| 21:24.27 | Ressy | Its actually a good thing. Him not talking to me means he won't be annoying the hell out of me as usual. >.> |
| 21:26.03 | kd3|netbook | huh... that's weird. getting a bing search ad saying "looking for wow items?" |
| 21:26.29 | Adys | Aujourd'hui, ma mère a trié les chaussettes de mon frère. Elle en a trouvé une sur laquelle était écrit "GO SPORT" et une sur laquelle était marqué "TROPS OG". Elle a cherché les deux qui manquaient pendant un certain temps. VDM |
| 21:26.37 | kd3|netbook | http://s0.2mdn.net/2417557/BingWoWVS_728x90_PikeAdv_F2.swf |
| 21:26.40 | A-KO | anglais por favor :P |
| 21:26.42 | kd3|netbook | english, adys |
| 21:26.58 | cogwheel | je suis une pizza |
| 21:27.00 | kd3|netbook | ~x fr en Aujourd'hui, ma mère a trié les chaussettes de mon frère. Elle en a trouvé une sur laquelle était écrit "GO SPORT" et une sur laquelle était marqué "TROPS OG". Elle a cherché les deux qui manquaient pendant un certain temps. VDM |
| 21:27.12 | kd3|netbook | er, no. |
| 21:27.13 | Adys | nice. |
| 21:27.23 | cogwheel | pepperoni, pas d'anchois, ou phoney baloney |
| 21:27.57 | Adys | "Today, my mother found two of my brother's socks. One upon which "GO SPORT" was written, and another upon which "TROPS OG" was written. She spent quite some time trying to find the missing two." |
| 21:28.12 | kd3|netbook | though, visual search doesn't work for me. yay msft |
| 21:28.17 | kd3|netbook | adys; har |
| 21:29.23 | cogwheel | Adys: lulz |
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| 21:37.45 | Adys | any linux ati user still alive? |
| 21:38.11 | Humbedooh | noooo |
| 21:38.16 | Humbedooh | ati + linux = oh noes |
| 21:38.45 | Humbedooh | never gave me nothing but trouble |
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| 21:39.58 | Vilkku | are the beta servers still down? |
| 21:40.13 | Ressy | yeah |
| 21:40.19 | Humbedooh | for another hour or so ye |
| 21:40.39 | foxlit | "Page 1 of 59" >> "I have read and accepted the ToS" |
| 21:41.03 | Vilkku | they should provide the ToS as an audio book |
| 21:41.13 | zenzelezz | 59? Meh. Had to accept an updated EULA (or ToS or whatever) for App Store on an iPhone the other day, was 103 pages |
| 21:41.32 | foxlit | zenzelezz: it's the same itunes store tos |
| 21:41.54 | zenzelezz | you must have a bigger screen then |
| 21:42.08 | Vilkku | there's no info on the 4.0 api at all, right? |
| 21:43.50 | Ressy | Nobody reads the EULAs or TOSs. |
| 21:43.59 | Ressy | They should just shorten EULAs & TOS's by just changing it to "Do you promise to be good little boys & girls and not do things you know are bad and illegal? If you don't, we'll take everything you'll ever own, and you're screwed for life. So be good." Maybe people would read them. |
| 21:44.07 | foxlit | I read* the SC2 EULA. |
| 21:44.33 | SqueeG | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.38 | Ressy | Too much wall of text for my liking. I think it'd give me a headache. |
| 21:45.29 | SqueeG | ati + linux isn't too bad |
| 21:45.54 | SqueeG | the only annoying thing I had a problem with... in WoW at least... was that the minimap wouldn't display in cities |
| 21:46.41 | SqueeG | has no idea hoe old those comments he just reference are |
| 21:46.50 | SqueeG | how, not hoe >.> |
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| 22:08.35 | Kraps | Bibi: your lack of clairvoyance is disturbing |
| 22:08.49 | Bibi | yeah, fuck you too. |
| 22:09.01 | Kraps | with pleasure |
| 22:09.09 | Kraps | wait no |
| 22:09.44 | Torhal | Kraps: Stop Fiskering. |
| 22:09.48 | cogwheel | has a confuse |
| 22:10.15 | Torhal | Stop confusing around! |
| 22:10.20 | Torhal | And stop confusing with me! |
| 22:10.56 | cogwheel | your mom confuse red |
| 22:11.10 | cogwheel | wat |
| 22:11.20 | Kraps | i have a hat of cheese |
| 22:11.35 | Humbedooh | hmm, what should I call the regular math stuff in spreadsheets, since "macro" seems to confuse people |
| 22:11.36 | TC-Work | yuck |
| 22:11.39 | Humbedooh | micro functions? |
| 22:11.45 | Humbedooh | or perhaps just "math functions" |
| 22:11.48 | TC-Work | math functions? |
| 22:11.49 | foxlit | formulas. |
| 22:11.52 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 22:11.58 | Humbedooh | formulas would work |
| 22:12.03 | cogwheel | formulas is what excel calls them |
| 22:12.08 | TC-Work | assuming they know what that means |
| 22:12.18 | TC-Work | try 'things that do your work for you' |
| 22:12.37 | Humbedooh | refering to the basic stuff like =SUM(A1:B8) and such |
| 22:12.47 | cogwheel | yeah, calling that a macro wouldn't be correct actually |
| 22:13.04 | Humbedooh | which is technically a macro but people think of macros as the more high level macros |
| 22:13.24 | cogwheel | how is it technically a macro? |
| 22:13.41 | Humbedooh | well it works like a macro, it does stuff you're too lazy to do yourself :p |
| 22:14.09 | Humbedooh | take fx. MODE(), that's not an actual math function but a macro function |
| 22:14.11 | cogwheel | too lazy to come up with more precise definitions imo... you need a macro |
| 22:14.39 | cogwheel | how do you define "actual math function"? |
| 22:14.50 | Lonny | So what's a math function ? |
| 22:14.54 | Humbedooh | something you can write in a formula? ;> |
| 22:14.57 | cogwheel | I think you're either overgeneralizing or undergeneralizing. not sure... mental models are hard to figure out from the outside |
| 22:15.14 | Humbedooh | aaaaanyway |
| 22:15.21 | Humbedooh | formulas it is! |
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| 22:16.35 | Humbedooh | I'd consider a "math function" being something that does not involve decision making on the abstract level |
| 22:16.40 | Kraps | offers Bibi a hug |
| 22:18.00 | cogwheel | Humbedooh: then you need to take more math classes |
| 22:18.08 | foxlit | What's a decision on an abstract level? |
| 22:18.13 | cogwheel | s/more/more advanced/ |
| 22:18.17 | Lonny | And how is 'mod' involves any decision.. |
| 22:18.29 | Humbedooh | not mod, mode |
| 22:18.59 | Humbedooh | cog; it's a matter of personal taste, granted, otherwise you could define everything as a math function |
| 22:19.06 | foxlit | (most frequently occurring number in a list) |
| 22:19.14 | cogwheel | no it's not... there are very precise definitions of these terms |
| 22:19.22 | Lonny | I thought you mean to modulus :p |
| 22:19.27 | cogwheel | the terms have been adapted for use in the software, but the roots are still there |
| 22:19.34 | Humbedooh | only definitions agreed upon :) |
| 22:19.42 | Humbedooh | doesn't make them any more correct than mine |
| 22:20.01 | cogwheel | sure, ify ou're in a different context |
| 22:20.02 | cogwheel | but you're not |
| 22:20.15 | Humbedooh | doesn't matter what context it is in really |
| 22:20.30 | Humbedooh | a definition is just a definition |
| 22:20.47 | cogwheel | ... |
| 22:20.52 | cogwheel | words change meaning depending on the context |
| 22:20.52 | Humbedooh | sure, it wouldn't make sense for me to use my definition to discuss with someone using another definition |
| 22:21.12 | cogwheel | if i jack off, it doesn't mean i took my car's jack off the shelf |
| 22:21.28 | Kraps | new screenies of the next batman game http://kotaku.com/5627537/batman-arkham-city-screen-shots/gallery/ |
| 22:21.29 | Humbedooh | I'm not disagreeing with you there |
| 22:21.49 | cogwheel | there is a lot of established mathematical theory behind spreadsheets |
| 22:21.57 | cogwheel | (and relational databases) |
| 22:22.07 | cogwheel | Excel is essentially a functional programming language |
| 22:22.37 | Humbedooh | I'm just saying from the perspective of the theory of science, that definitions made by others doesn't prohibit me making a different definition |
| 22:22.42 | amro | a creepy one that gets localized |
| 22:22.49 | cogwheel | yes, but it does you no good. |
| 22:22.53 | cogwheel | all you'll do is confuse people |
| 22:22.58 | cogwheel | like you admitted doing at the start of this :P |
| 22:23.10 | cogwheel | language works because we agree on the meanings of words (for the most part) |
| 22:23.11 | Humbedooh | what would you describe as a math function then? |
| 22:23.22 | Humbedooh | yes, it's a social construct |
| 22:23.29 | Humbedooh | (or so some would say!) |
| 22:23.41 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: bat zephyr, blue orchids dance midnight zulu. And don't you forget it. |
| 22:23.49 | foxlit | Hm, the discovery channel news hit slashdot. |
| 22:24.02 | foxlit | Now the conversation from a few hours ago suddenly makes sense. |
| 22:24.06 | Humbedooh | others would say that the entire idea of social constructs is refuting itself |
| 22:24.07 | amro | in a way, all functions are "math functions" for any definition of math function |
| 22:24.10 | cogwheel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_(mathematics) |
| 22:24.13 | SqueeG | whoa |
| 22:24.16 | Lonny | So you're saying you rather have your own language to write a software model rather using a standard such as UML ? or a term everyone agreed on ? |
| 22:24.16 | foxlit | amro: RANDOM() is not a math function :) |
| 22:24.18 | SqueeG | chat rocketed in here |
| 22:24.24 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: what news? |
| 22:24.34 | foxlit | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/09/01/2124218/Armed-Man-Takes-Hostages-At-Discovery-Channel-HQ |
| 22:24.43 | NightHawkTheSane | woah |
| 22:24.48 | amro | foxlit: sure it is, if you assume the seed is an argument |
| 22:24.53 | Humbedooh | I'm not saying any such things, no |
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| 22:25.01 | Humbedooh | that would be silly :) |
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| 22:25.07 | cogwheel | and it's analogous |
| 22:25.14 | foxlit | amro: but it doesn't; it has internal state :) |
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| 22:25.26 | Humbedooh | but there's surely a different between what laymen define as math and what math professors define as math |
| 22:25.37 | cogwheel | excel wasn't created by laymen |
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| 22:25.39 | Ressy | Foxlit, the thing's over. Guy's shot, and in custody. |
| 22:25.46 | cogwheel | well spreadsheets, anyway |
| 22:25.47 | amro | foxlit: like I said, if you consider that to be an argument, then it can be considered as such |
| 22:25.57 | amro | that's how purely functional languages "keep state" |
| 22:26.06 | Humbedooh | I'm talking about the recipients, not the senders |
| 22:26.17 | foxlit | amro: But then you aren't talking about RANDOM(); you're talking about RANDOM(x,y) |
| 22:26.20 | cogwheel | why would you encourage the two groups to use different terms? |
| 22:26.23 | foxlit | But yes, point taken. |
| 22:26.28 | cogwheel | it just adds obscurity |
| 22:26.39 | foxlit | I was fishing for something that'd return different values for the same input. |
| 22:26.49 | amro | foxlit: yeah I see what you mean |
| 22:26.49 | cogwheel | there's a reason scientists froth at the mouth when people say evolution is "just a theory" |
| 22:26.50 | Humbedooh | I wouldn't encourage |
| 22:27.00 | cogwheel | but you're trying to justify |
| 22:27.01 | Humbedooh | I'd just relate to fact |
| 22:27.05 | amro | but you can write it in such a way that it can be considered a pure function |
| 22:27.36 | foxlit | =TIME()? :) |
| 22:27.42 | Humbedooh | I wouldn't say it's just "a theory" |
| 22:27.49 | Humbedooh | I'd say it's just "the theory" |
| 22:27.55 | amro | stabs foxlit with a function |
| 22:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | it is "a theory" |
| 22:28.01 | amro | I asked for that one |
| 22:28.06 | NightHawkTheSane | it's that it's not "just" a theory :P |
| 22:28.07 | cogwheel | Humbedooh: the problem with the statement is a misunderstanding of the use of "theory" |
| 22:28.15 | cogwheel | yeah, emphasis on the "just" |
| 22:28.30 | Humbedooh | oh evolution |
| 22:28.41 | Humbedooh | I read it as the theory of evolution :p |
| 22:29.35 | Humbedooh | which would ofc be...a theory |
| 22:29.53 | cogwheel | deniers use the fact that the meaning of "theory" in the context of "theory of evolution" or "theory of gravity" or "germ theory" doesn't mean "guess" |
| 22:30.23 | Lonny | You can write a book for your own terms, and definitions, that will help a great deal to understand you better :p |
| 22:30.26 | cogwheel | Just the fact that there is this linguistic divide gives ammunition to the obfuscators |
| 22:30.43 | cogwheel | Lonny: that's what lawyers do |
| 22:30.50 | Adys | ahahah |
| 22:30.55 | Lonny | yeah I guess |
| 22:30.55 | Adys | ~fail blizzard |
| 22:30.55 | purl | You suck at everything in life, blizzard. I hate you because you fail. |
| 22:30.57 | Adys | http://c0848462.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/571be24a42bb9d777602bf29e4d89b89.png |
| 22:31.02 | Adys | spanish map of badlands ^ |
| 22:31.03 | Adys | find the fail |
| 22:31.21 | Ressy | Terrokar? |
| 22:31.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: lulz |
| 22:31.53 | Humbedooh | they use the fact that it doesn't mean guess? |
| 22:31.59 | Humbedooh | now you're obfuscating me! |
| 22:32.00 | Alram | whoah |
| 22:32.00 | kd3|netbook | smirks |
| 22:32.03 | Alram | cataclysm hit hard there |
| 22:32.11 | Alram | outland collided with azeroth |
| 22:32.13 | cogwheel | Humbedooh: yes, that was a poorly-constructed sentence >< |
| 22:32.27 | cogwheel | they use the fact that people don't understand the "true meaning" to make them think it's not well supported |
| 22:32.40 | cogwheel | s/"true meaning"/intended meaning/ |
| 22:33.12 | Humbedooh | well if they really wanna nitpick like that, you could call any fact a guess |
| 22:33.33 | Kraps | you have to determine the truthiness |
| 22:34.07 | Humbedooh | a theory just means it has criterions of demarcation |
| 22:34.28 | Humbedooh | unlike some other evolution "theory" *cough* |
| 22:34.51 | amro | you're simultaneously missing the point and going offtopic |
| 22:34.56 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 22:35.19 | cogwheel | but at least it's closer to time to go home now >< |
| 22:35.19 | Humbedooh | huh? |
| 22:35.40 | cogwheel | nope. that's not even what theory means in this case |
| 22:35.54 | Humbedooh | well that depends on your personal standpoint |
| 22:36.10 | cogwheel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory |
| 22:36.12 | cogwheel | no |
| 22:36.15 | cogwheel | stop doing that |
| 22:36.16 | Humbedooh | yes :p |
| 22:36.58 | cogwheel | You must've cast evasion 'cause the points keep going right by you |
| 22:37.08 | Humbedooh | that's a pretty generalized idea about theories there |
| 22:37.11 | amro | if we all used our personal meanings for words we'd never agree on anything |
| 22:37.16 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 22:37.22 | cogwheel | Humbedooh: that's my point |
| 22:37.33 | cogwheel | in the context of "theory of evolution" that's what "theory" means |
| 22:37.42 | Humbedooh | but still, your definition also has criterias of demarcation |
| 22:37.42 | cogwheel | your personal preference notwithstanding |
| 22:38.12 | amro | I'm gonna be an ass for a sec and point out that you used both "criterions" and "criterias" |
| 22:38.23 | Humbedooh | ye ye :p |
| 22:38.25 | cogwheel | i'm sure that has nothing to do with what i'm talking about |
| 22:38.46 | foxlit | But not criteria? |
| 22:38.50 | Humbedooh | I'm slightly lost now |
| 22:39.04 | cogwheel | i say it's cause you've been wandering in circles |
| 22:39.05 | Lonny | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.06 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:39.06 | Humbedooh | I think we're basically saying the same things, but using different science theories |
| 22:39.17 | cogwheel | no |
| 22:39.28 | cogwheel | i'm trying to make a point about your attitude using the word theory as an example |
| 22:39.34 | Humbedooh | well what science theory do you use then? :p |
| 22:39.42 | cogwheel | apparently analogies don't work for you |
| 22:40.18 | Humbedooh | my attitude? |
| 22:40.29 | cogwheel | about using words in ways that don't agree with accepted meaning |
| 22:40.35 | SqueeG | holy crap |
| 22:40.39 | SqueeG | nerd fight! ;) |
| 22:40.41 | cogwheel | this all started regarding "macro" remember? |
| 22:40.49 | Humbedooh | I did say that it wasn't an agreed-upon definition |
| 22:41.01 | cogwheel | maybe by you |
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| 22:41.07 | cogwheel | SqueeG: i'm bored ;) |
| 22:41.11 | Humbedooh | and I did try to relate my arguments to my point :) |
| 22:41.22 | Humbedooh | but nooo, we had to discuss theories of...theories ;< |
| 22:41.24 | cogwheel | you didn't make any arguments... all you did was miss points |
| 22:41.28 | SqueeG | btw |
| 22:41.31 | SqueeG | macro means large |
| 22:41.32 | SqueeG | soooooo |
| 22:41.33 | cogwheel | and bring up things unrelated to what i was trying to say |
| 22:41.38 | amro | cogwheel is just killing time till he leaves work, then he's gonna disappear and leave a huge raging nerdfight behind |
| 22:41.42 | SqueeG | technically the term macro could be confusing :p |
| 22:41.47 | cogwheel | ~amro++ |
| 22:42.03 | Humbedooh | you brought up evolution! |
| 22:42.17 | Lonny | haha |
| 22:42.18 | Humbedooh | I only brought up math functions ;\ |
| 22:42.20 | cogwheel | yes, to illustrate the problem with your position as it relates to the word theory |
| 22:42.21 | Kraps | SqueeG: so you can say "she has a macro butt" |
| 22:42.31 | Humbedooh | I never said theory |
| 22:42.34 | Humbedooh | I said definition |
| 22:42.44 | cogwheel | 15:39 < cogwheel> apparently analogies don't work for you |
| 22:42.50 | amro | I don't have enough palms to cover my face |
| 22:42.54 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 22:42.59 | cogwheel | i'm calling troll at this point |
| 22:43.00 | Humbedooh | you can't do an analogy between that |
| 22:43.03 | SqueeG | lmao...nice kraps |
| 22:43.13 | Humbedooh | I'm not discussing the meaning of the term "definition" |
| 22:43.20 | cogwheel | neither am i |
| 22:43.30 | Humbedooh | then what does your analogy refer to? |
| 22:43.42 | amro | misusing a definition |
| 22:43.44 | SqueeG | ***I'M*** discussing the definition of 'the' |
| 22:43.51 | cogwheel | 15:39 < cogwheel> i'm trying to make a point about your attitude using the word theory as an example |
| 22:43.55 | cogwheel | 15:39 < Humbedooh> well what science theory do you use then? :p |
| 22:43.57 | cogwheel | 15:39 < cogwheel> apparently analogies don't work for you |
| 22:44.00 | cogwheel | 15:40 < Humbedooh> my attitude? |
| 22:44.02 | cogwheel | 15:40 < cogwheel> about using words in ways that don't agree with accepted meaning |
| 22:44.09 | Humbedooh | oh yes, paste the chat once moar ;> |
| 22:44.23 | cogwheel | if you keep going in circles what else can i do? |
| 22:44.24 | NightHawkTheSane | I think cogwheel's basic point is that you can't use a word wrong, and then claim that 'it depends'. |
| 22:44.28 | Humbedooh | okay, if you put some commas there, it'd make sense |
| 22:44.39 | Humbedooh | but it could also be read in the way I read it |
| 22:44.45 | cogwheel | granted |
| 22:44.48 | SqueeG | synonyms.... function, work, operate, go, ru |
| 22:44.51 | cogwheel | put a comma after "attitude" |
| 22:44.53 | SqueeG | run* |
| 22:44.54 | zenzelezz | oh, I see it's that time of day again |
| 22:44.54 | Humbedooh | which was "your attitude using the word theory" |
| 22:45.16 | Kraps | oh i know this! |
| 22:45.16 | Humbedooh | well then the analogy makes sense yes |
| 22:45.26 | SqueeG | humbedooh |
| 22:45.43 | Humbedooh | but I still disagree that the analogy serves a purpose! |
| 22:46.00 | Humbedooh | since my main argument wasn't whether my definition was better or worse than the "agreed-upon" one |
| 22:46.13 | Kraps | SqueeG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_the |
| 22:46.15 | Humbedooh | but whether laymen would understand the scientific definition |
| 22:46.20 | Lonny | I think that the problem is that you're trying to have a meaning for terms that are already been defined with a consensus, and your personal perceptions doesn't help a bit to make them more simple.. |
| 22:46.29 | Humbedooh | or if it would be more intuitive to use another term instead |
| 22:46.37 | SqueeG | rofl |
| 22:46.48 | amro | as far as programming is concerned, only scientific and agreed upon definitions matter |
| 22:46.50 | cogwheel | i'm not saying whether one definition of better, just that it's a bad idea to consciously use a term in a way that's contrary to its already established meaning |
| 22:47.02 | cogwheel | s/of better/is better/ |
| 22:47.06 | Humbedooh | but I wasn't even using that definition in the discussion :p |
| 22:47.09 | SqueeG | what about 'forumlas'? |
| 22:47.09 | amro | it's an exact science, there's no dicking around with terminology |
| 22:47.15 | Humbedooh | that was only a personal standpoint |
| 22:47.24 | amro | SqueeG: is that some kind of forum software? |
| 22:47.24 | Lonny | lol |
| 22:47.31 | SqueeG | DAMMIT |
| 22:47.37 | SqueeG | 'formulas' |
| 22:47.58 | Lonny | so you got your own vocabulary ? |
| 22:47.59 | cogwheel | formulae imo |
| 22:48.05 | Humbedooh | mayhaps I missed a comma or two as well |
| 22:48.06 | SqueeG | oooh |
| 22:48.13 | SqueeG | i like your thinking, cogwheel |
| 22:48.18 | SqueeG | it's like.... jesi |
| 22:48.20 | SqueeG | or peni |
| 22:48.23 | NightHawkTheSane | formulasauruses |
| 22:48.24 | Humbedooh | boxen! |
| 22:48.29 | cogwheel | SqueeG: except correct |
| 22:48.30 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 22:48.41 | foxlit | formulasaurii, NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:48.50 | SqueeG | what's incorrect about jesi? |
| 22:48.50 | NightHawkTheSane | formulasaurses eat functionerotopses for lunch. |
| 22:48.53 | Humbedooh | hey, squeeg! |
| 22:48.56 | SqueeG | multiple jesuses = jesi! |
| 22:49.00 | Humbedooh | say "vira"! |
| 22:49.02 | Humbedooh | or virii! |
| 22:49.03 | SqueeG | Hey, Humbedooh! |
| 22:49.03 | amro | oO |
| 22:49.10 | SqueeG | viririririririr! |
| 22:49.15 | Kraps | data or data? |
| 22:49.19 | cogwheel | SqueeG: "formulae" is actually used as the plural for formula |
| 22:49.29 | SqueeG | are you british? :p |
| 22:49.32 | Humbedooh | or octopi! |
| 22:49.35 | amro | like larvae |
| 22:49.41 | SqueeG | i knew i was forgetting one! |
| 22:49.45 | SqueeG | I* |
| 22:50.30 | foxlit | Must wiiify more nouns. |
| 22:50.35 | SqueeG | xD |
| 22:50.43 | Kraps | tropii |
| 22:50.47 | Humbedooh | hmm, so okay, what I should've said to make myself clear was "intuitive interpretation" instead of "definition" |
| 22:50.52 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: nounii. |
| 22:50.59 | foxlit | nounii! |
| 22:51.00 | SqueeG | noni? |
| 22:51.02 | Humbedooh | or cognitive response or... |
| 22:51.13 | cogwheel | that pinged me |
| 22:51.14 | cogwheel | :P |
| 22:51.25 | Kraps | its a dissimilar coherence |
| 22:51.51 | Humbedooh | now you're just being tautal and pleonastic! |
| 22:52.05 | Kraps | dammit |
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| 22:52.19 | Humbedooh | tautological even |
| 22:52.52 | SqueeG | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.00 | NightHawkTheSane | tautologicopertii are scary beasts indeed. |
| 22:53.22 | Humbedooh | nothing wrong with buying a wireless routerer! |
| 22:53.23 | NightHawkTheSane | so, the correct pluralisation is formulae, then? ;) |
| 22:53.35 | cogwheel | yes but Jesi and penii aren't used in any english ;) |
| 22:53.37 | Humbedooh | and placing it in the centre of the theatre |
| 22:53.43 | SqueeG | lol |
| 22:53.51 | SqueeG | Jesi and peni will catch on... |
| 22:53.53 | SqueeG | soon enough |
| 22:53.55 | SqueeG | >.> |
| 22:53.56 | SqueeG | <.< |
| 22:53.58 | cogwheel | also it's penis not penus so... |
| 22:54.08 | SqueeG | lmap |
| 22:54.10 | SqueeG | lmao* |
| 22:54.14 | Humbedooh | I'm surprised that we haven't woken up Fisker.. |
| 22:54.18 | SqueeG | who the eff spells it penus? |
| 22:54.18 | Kraps | penisii |
| 22:54.38 | cogwheel | SqueeG: it would have to end in "us" for "i" to be its plural, no? |
| 22:54.38 | tekkub | did I hear penii talk? |
| 22:54.46 | Humbedooh | I know of French pastry called Panis ;\ |
| 22:54.56 | Kraps | Humbedooh: i'm his protege |
| 22:54.57 | Humbedooh | very uncomfortable to order those |
| 22:55.11 | SqueeG | cogwheel: I made it up during silly hour years ago, correct grammar wasn't an issue |
| 22:55.21 | Humbedooh | Squeegee board |
| 22:55.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Humbedooh: are you also uncomfortable ordering panini? |
| 22:55.37 | Humbedooh | no no |
| 22:55.45 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8TQOzyCu8Q |
| 22:55.50 | cogwheel | ^ totally unrelated to anything |
| 22:56.09 | SqueeG | know what pisses me off? |
| 22:56.11 | SqueeG | aluminium |
| 22:56.19 | SqueeG | it's fucking ALUMINUM DAMMIT |
| 22:56.25 | cogwheel | it makes more sense when compared to other element names imo |
| 22:56.26 | SqueeG | *ahem* |
| 22:56.38 | cogwheel | consistency ftw |
| 22:56.38 | SqueeG | yes, but it SOUNDS silly |
| 22:56.45 | Kraps | psylonium |
| 22:56.46 | cogwheel | silly sounding words are the best! |
| 22:56.51 | SqueeG | and Americans are all about sounding cool |
| 22:56.55 | SqueeG | *shades* |
| 22:57.00 | Humbedooh | aluminium ftw |
| 22:57.06 | SqueeG | -1-- |
| 22:57.09 | Humbedooh | and plumbum! |
| 22:57.27 | Kraps | the protoss discovered psylonium |
| 22:58.07 | Kraps | shit thats a cool name |
| 22:58.16 | SqueeG | hahaha |
| 22:58.18 | SqueeG | love plumbum |
| 22:58.24 | Kraps | pats himself on the back |
| 22:58.38 | SqueeG | agreed, kraps :p |
| 22:59.03 | cogwheel | kills you with a protis sniper |
| 22:59.59 | SqueeG | T_T |
| 23:00.00 | Vilkku | SqueeG loves to plumb 'um |
| 23:00.15 | SqueeG | that too, vilkku |
| 23:00.23 | Kraps | lifts his command center with the power of christ |
| 23:00.44 | SqueeG | lol |
| 23:00.56 | SqueeG | that would be warhammer 40k, no? |
| 23:00.59 | Vilkku | serversssssssss |
| 23:01.05 | amro | Kraps |
| 23:01.12 | amro | we should get another massive game going |
| 23:01.12 | cogwheel | plum bum http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3214/2870399483_823425734b.jpg?v=0 |
| 23:01.15 | Vilkku | must get serverssss |
| 23:01.19 | Humbedooh | .... |
| 23:01.24 | NightHawkTheSane | must get cervezas. |
| 23:01.43 | foxlit | It's nashional mess with spilleng day? |
| 23:01.57 | Kraps | i spel gudder |
| 23:02.03 | SqueeG | nowi |
| 23:02.12 | SqueeG | nowai, even |
| 23:02.18 | cogwheel | Kraps: was that video by the only female SC player? |
| 23:02.30 | Kraps | cogwheel: lol and yes |
| 23:02.32 | Vilkku | there's at least three |
| 23:02.34 | SqueeG | my gf loves sc |
| 23:02.37 | SqueeG | the first |
| 23:02.40 | Vilkku | that girl, tossgirl and lilsusie |
| 23:02.49 | cogwheel | my wife's waiting for zerg expansion |
| 23:02.54 | foxlit | I can has diamond league? |
| 23:03.12 | Kraps | amro: which team were you on? |
| 23:03.24 | amro | I was on your team once |
| 23:03.44 | cogwheel | although i told here some people make a living just doing shoutcasts... she said she should start one too 'cause she'd probably get a ton of instant subscriptions just for her gender :P |
| 23:03.57 | SqueeG | lol |
| 23:04.05 | foxlit | Which is kind of meh. I find myself looking at cog's videos and wishing I could on occasion get those sorts of opponents. |
| 23:04.33 | cogwheel | haha |
| 23:04.34 | amro | considering the popularity of shoutcasts, the amount of scrubbiness online is surprising |
| 23:04.56 | amro | especially in team games, oh man |
| 23:06.05 | foxlit | amro: I'd challenge both assertions, but I'm busy looking for a sandwich. |
| 23:06.08 | cogwheel | ~define scrubbiness |
| 23:06.08 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 23:06.18 | cogwheel | purl: suck by ~dict |
| 23:06.18 | purl | ACTION sucks by ~dict's forehead |
| 23:06.25 | cogwheel | s/by/my/ |
| 23:06.30 | cogwheel | sucks |
| 23:06.36 | DWSR | Anyone play infested arena? |
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| 23:06.40 | amro | scrubs, scrubby, scrubbiness |
| 23:06.59 | amro | scrubtion doesn't sound right |
| 23:07.06 | amro | scrubity sounds childish |
| 23:07.11 | amro | so, scrubbiness |
| 23:07.12 | foxlit | scrubii |
| 23:07.15 | DWSR | Just use fail. |
| 23:07.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ~foxlit++ |
| 23:07.29 | DWSR | lol |
| 23:07.35 | NightHawkTheSane | scrubosaurus |
| 23:07.40 | cogwheel | i kinda like scrubity |
| 23:07.46 | cogwheel | but then i'm kinda childish |
| 23:07.59 | NightHawkTheSane | scrubological? |
| 23:08.03 | SqueeG | ooo |
| 23:08.11 | cogwheel | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628234701 |
| 23:08.13 | SqueeG | the woman put on chowder |
| 23:08.46 | Cide | scrubitude is official |
| 23:08.56 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: heh, amusing |
| 23:09.01 | cogwheel | scrubidity |
| 23:09.12 | Cide | cogwheelity |
| 23:10.31 | Cide | sorry :( |
| 23:10.34 | Cide | killed the channel |
| 23:10.58 | NightHawkTheSane | murderer. |
| 23:10.58 | cogwheel | scrub |
| 23:11.11 | SqueeG | cide killed the chan! |
| 23:11.14 | SqueeG | nooooooooooooo |
| 23:11.24 | Cide | who are you? |
| 23:11.42 | NightHawkTheSane | what do you want? |
| 23:12.14 | NightHawkTheSane | dude, B&N had dvd sets for 50% off this weekend, I really should have bought b5. >< |
| 23:12.33 | cogwheel | wat is this i dont even |
| 23:16.18 | Kraps | cogwheel: see this girl? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Alrg4pFXs#t=3m10s just because she shows up in this video, her account got bombarded with subs and friend requests, plus thousands of comments. then she made a vid saying "oh thank you so much, i'm gonna make more videos even though i'm shy!" someone even made an intro for her eventual videos. it looks like she wised up to what the... |
| 23:16.20 | Kraps | ...internets have to offer a naive hot girl though because her account doesnt exist anymore |
| 23:16.41 | Cide | NameError: global name 'defualtdict' is not defined |
| 23:16.44 | Cide | FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 23:18.09 | amro | defualtdict? |
| 23:21.01 | cogwheel | uauauauaua |
| 23:21.33 | Adys | rofl |
| 23:21.34 | Adys | Cide |
| 23:22.09 | Adys | Cide: http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/09/01/Screenshot-1.png |
| 23:22.28 | nicoli_s | man i havent played worms in forever |
| 23:22.35 | Adys | one dynamite |
| 23:22.35 | cogwheel | heart worms |
| 23:22.36 | Adys | 5 kills |
| 23:22.40 | Adys | bitch. |
| 23:22.41 | cogwheel | big fat heart right in the face |
| 23:22.49 | Adys | cogwheel: exploding heart |
| 23:22.59 | Adys | <3~ |
| 23:23.17 | cogwheel | i think i still have a copy of armageddon i pirated in high school >< |
| 23:23.32 | Adys | i have the original Worms World Party right in front of me |
| 23:23.37 | nicoli_s | i need to get it on XBLA |
| 23:24.10 | Adys | stop xblasturbating and buy worms reloaded, come be our 3rd and 4th |
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| 23:26.56 | nicoli_s | how much? |
| 23:27.33 | amro | $20 |
| 23:28.33 | SqueeG | 20 bucks for worms? |
| 23:28.35 | SqueeG | tssssssch |
| 23:28.52 | cogwheel | do you ever go to the movies? |
| 23:29.12 | cogwheel | anyone who ever goes to a movie should STFU wrt video game prices |
| 23:29.23 | cogwheel | sooooo much more entertainment for the $ |
| 23:29.28 | amro | yes |
| 23:29.40 | amro | I've already gotten at least $80's worth from worms reloaded |
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| 23:30.41 | Adys | In 1995, Team 17 began development on a port of Worms to Nintendo's portable game console the Virtual Boy. The game was to be published by Ocean, but was canceled only weeks into development as a result of Nintendo's discontinuation of the console.[5] |
| 23:30.43 | Adys | ROFL ^ |
| 23:31.11 | A-KO | owned |
| 23:31.38 | nicoli_s | i loved my virtual boy |
| 23:31.52 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 23:35.54 | amro | anyone for sc2? |
| 23:37.07 | Alram | beta is up |
| 23:37.40 | amro | steam is still down |
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| 23:43.30 | Cide | Adys: wtf how |
| 23:43.36 | Adys | how what? |
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| 23:44.14 | Cide | did you get 5 worms in that spot |
| 23:44.24 | Adys | luck |
| 23:44.37 | Adys | also how do you get money, apart from campains? |
| 23:45.19 | Cide | play warzone |
| 23:45.25 | Zyn | aaaaaand Mekkatorque died |
| 23:52.57 | Cide | wtb blizzcon so we can get more d3 goodies |
| 23:53.14 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/22749914836 |
| 23:53.16 | Kraps | lololol |
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| 23:54.45 | Adys | Cide: worms? |
| 23:54.47 | nicoli_s | ouch 1 day-6 days |
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| 23:55.02 | Adys | also any 4th for worms? |
| 23:55.19 | Kraps | what kind of game is it? |
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| 23:55.38 | nicoli_s | you dont know about worms kraps? |
| 23:55.42 | Kraps | no |
| 23:55.44 | Adys | :/ |
| 23:55.52 | Kraps | i know of it |
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| 23:56.19 | Kraps | since i visit steam multiple times a day |
| 23:56.21 | Adys | Kraps: http://store.steampowered.com/app/22600/ |
| 23:56.22 | Adys | buy it |
| 23:56.45 | Kraps | not helping i'm afraid ;) |
| 23:56.51 | nicoli_s | whoa, wtf is that grappling hook thing |
| 23:57.00 | Adys | which? |
| 23:57.00 | Cide | ninja rope_ |
| 23:57.01 | Cide | ? |
| 23:57.11 | Cide | been in since the beginning of time basically |
| 23:57.22 | nicoli_s | really? man i havent played worms in a while |
| 23:57.47 | Adys | what are you guys doing |
| 23:57.53 | Adys | just buy the damn game,it's cheap as hell |
| 23:57.54 | Alram | breaking beta servers |
| 23:57.55 | Alram | u? |
| 23:57.59 | Kraps | Adys |
| 23:58.04 | Adys | Alram: buy it too |
| 23:58.04 | nicoli_s | getting ready for fucking vacation! woo hoo |
| 23:58.09 | Alram | worms? |
| 23:58.12 | Alram | i already have it dumbass |
| 23:58.15 | Kraps | Adys |
| 23:58.15 | Alram | >:( |
| 23:58.23 | Adys | Alram: then get here and be my 4th |
| 23:58.32 | Adys | Cide: and we need you too |
| 23:58.37 | Alram | no im playing whos the first to crash the beta server game |
| 23:58.37 | Cide | too late |
| 23:58.37 | Alram | :( |
| 23:58.40 | Cide | school tomorrow |
| 23:58.45 | Adys | oh |
| 23:58.48 | Adys | you people and your live |
| 23:58.49 | Adys | +s |
| 23:59.03 | TC-Work | it's $20 |
| 23:59.08 | TC-Work | i'll wait till it goes on sale |
| 23:59.35 | Cide | wow |
| 23:59.37 | Cide | CHEAP FUCK |
