| 00:00.11 | alestane | But the vocabulary explanations were after the drill content in the book. |
| 00:11.20 | alestane | More and more, Lunessa, I feel like introductory programming is about first) learning to formalize the semantics of what you want to accomplish, and second) learning to express those semantics in the syntax of a formal language. |
| 00:11.46 | alestane | My books all seem to be about learning to construct the syntax of the language into the desired semantics. |
| 00:12.02 | alestane | Which does not turn out to be the same thing. |
| 00:13.50 | Humbedooh | I would say that applies for pretty much all processes |
| 00:14.23 | Humbedooh | first you figure out what exactly you want to do, then you figure out how to use the tools to accomplish it |
| 00:14.41 | Kraps | one of my fave onion vids http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwom49awRKg&feature=related |
| 00:15.38 | alestane | Whereas the book I'm working out of tends to take the approach, "Here's a hammer! It's hard and heavy! You can drive in nails with it! You can pull nails out with it! You can make dents in your desk or whack yourself in the thumb!" |
| 00:15.47 | alestane | "Now make a spice rack!" |
| 00:16.38 | alestane | A tool makes more sense once you understand the need it faciliates. |
| 00:17.29 | Humbedooh | why learn about a tool if you have no use for it |
| 00:17.45 | Humbedooh | I'd rather find that I need something done and then figure out which tools to use |
| 00:18.13 | Jerub | i tutored a girl in programming last year. |
| 00:18.21 | Humbedooh | did she explode? ;( |
| 00:18.36 | Jerub | she understood syntax, how to look up what datastructures had what related methods, etc. |
| 00:18.55 | Jerub | but had a lot of trouble with "iterate over this to find a value" being a pattern |
| 00:19.27 | Jerub | but all her questions were either, "create a new list from the old list" or "find a value in a list" |
| 00:19.39 | alestane | It may not have been your intended assertion, Jerub, but I feel compelled to point out that that difficulty has nothing to do with her being a girl. |
| 00:19.51 | Lunessa | alestane: The biggest hurdle to learning any language is not understanding the grammar of the language you use to learn in. Learning Japanese without knowing what nouns, verbs, objects, etc. are in English means you don't have the tools to describe what's happening in Japanese. Same goes for computer languages. |
| 00:19.58 | alestane | My students have that issue most of the time anyway, and about 95% of them are male. |
| 00:20.01 | Humbedooh | sure it is, alestane - girls don't program or play WoW |
| 00:20.17 | Humbedooh | or use the interweb |
| 00:20.47 | alestane | Remember that no-one can hear your ironic tone of voice over IRC, Humbedooh. |
| 00:21.08 | Humbedooh | I think I was being sardonic ;> |
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| 00:21.33 | alestane | ~Cairenn++ |
| 00:21.44 | Lunessa | And that we're going to go all XKCD on your ass for saying none of the (very) female gamers and programmers in here aren't female or gamers or programmers. |
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| 00:21.52 | Humbedooh | ;o |
| 00:22.32 | Cairenn | Lunessa: you'll need to repeat that, since I'd /kick'd him |
| 00:22.44 | Lunessa | I know. I'm lazy though. |
| 00:22.47 | Lunessa | And that we're going to go all XKCD on your ass for saying none of the (very) female gamers and programmers in here aren't female or gamers or programmers. |
| 00:22.56 | A-KO | female techies are a special breed of people |
| 00:23.05 | A-KO | :P |
| 00:23.09 | alestane | Just something to remember about life on the interwebz...when you're going to be satirical or ironic or anything else where what you say and what you mean conflict, you have to be somewhat more explicit about it than in person. |
| 00:23.11 | A-KO | well, the ones that actually can do it |
| 00:23.24 | Humbedooh | you're absolutely right, alestane |
| 00:23.32 | alestane | And there are at least as many male "techies" who can't actually do their job. |
| 00:23.37 | A-KO | sure |
| 00:23.40 | Humbedooh | I've just been away from IRC for too long to remember it :( |
| 00:23.40 | Lunessa | a special breed that me, a bottle of liquor and the back seat of a VW Bug would like to get better acquainted with... |
| 00:23.48 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:23.55 | alestane | Only a bug, Lunessa? |
| 00:24.09 | Lunessa | alestane: (Mallrats reference) |
| 00:24.17 | alestane | Seriously, I think you'd find the back seat of a Beetle overcrowded by yourself. |
| 00:24.22 | alestane | (So would I, at that. |
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| 00:24.24 | A-KO | Pretty much my best friend is a huge nerd--works at NASA, in fact--and she is just a few clicks shy of being lesbian :P |
| 00:24.33 | alestane | "Like the back of a Volkswagon?" |
| 00:24.39 | Lunessa | BINGO |
| 00:25.22 | alestane | Doe TFLN work yet today? This morning it would only show me an ad for a movie called "The Social Network." |
| 00:25.26 | alestane | goes to find out. |
| 00:25.45 | Humbedooh | is it that facebook movie thing? |
| 00:25.50 | alestane | Ah yes, much better. |
| 00:27.15 | alestane | Frank Zappa's "Dirty Love" just popped up on my shuffle. |
| 00:30.46 | Lunessa | alestane: I haven't looked at it yet today |
| 00:31.00 | alestane | Not the best crop so far. |
| 00:31.37 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-20100.html |
| 00:32.39 | alestane | Oh, and http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-20124.html . Those are about the best I can find...kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel here. |
| 00:33.55 | alestane | Why do people keep thinking http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1038742224/i-dont-want-any-sound-on-the-commercial-the will create interest and enthusiasm? |
| 00:34.52 | alestane | And this kind of makes up for them: http://notalwaysright.com/voodoo-or-do-not-there-is-no-jedi/6797 |
| 00:35.45 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 00:35.54 | Arrowmaster | alestane: it only works if you do it like those ING commercials where the commercial was about the billboards etc only having ING on them |
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| 00:37.10 | alestane | ...um. I wish I believed this was fake: http://notalwaysright.com/wifi-works-best-with-a-mouse/6778 |
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| 00:39.02 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/give-one-get-one-free/6765 HELL YES. |
| 00:42.11 | alestane | Cairenn, http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/30/funny-pictures-not-intended-for-use-in-this-manner/ |
| 00:42.28 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 00:42.42 | Trela | Nice. |
| 00:42.51 | Trela | loves new hard drive, weeeeeeeeeeee~ |
| 00:43.25 | alestane | *snark* http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/29/funny-pictures-cheez-platter/ |
| 00:43.43 | alestane | I swear I'll be done with this soon. |
| 00:44.06 | A-KO | my cat beat up my keyboard |
| 00:44.10 | A-KO | luckily I had my old one |
| 00:44.34 | A-KO | she somehow managed to knock keys off the keyboard (it was a really cheap office depot thing)--and then she seemingly lost the inner part of one of the keys, so now that key doesn't push back up. |
| 00:44.51 | A-KO | she also lays on my keyboard when I'm not in the room |
| 00:44.57 | A-KO | and when I come back just starts pawing at it and purring |
| 00:45.19 | Lunessa | alestane: http://www.fmylife.com/intimacy/12822018 |
| 00:45.55 | alestane | And of course , http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/28/funny-pictures-starcraft-2/ |
| 00:46.21 | Cairenn | Lunessa: O.O |
| 00:46.58 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Someone is lucky didn't go to the morgue. |
| 00:46.58 | Cairenn | indeed |
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| 00:51.48 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/27/funny-pictures-puffin-o-hai/ |
| 00:52.04 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:53.47 | Lunessa | ROFL http://tfl.nu/kqzx |
| 00:54.04 | Kraps | alestane: ...*splat* into a glass window |
| 00:54.28 | alestane | Fortunately, those are scarce in the middle of the ocean. |
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| 01:04.36 | Kraps | is kick-ass a good movie? |
| 01:04.57 | Xyphoid | i enjoyed it |
| 01:05.18 | Kraps | starting it |
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| 01:09.12 | Amarande | soo ... beta folks |
| 01:09.28 | Amarande | are they doing anything to soul bags in cata for locks like they're doing with ammo bags for hunters? |
| 01:09.39 | Jerub | thwaps |
| 01:09.47 | Jerub | they're redesigning the whole thing so they don't go in bags. |
| 01:09.55 | Amarande | Jerub: yes, that I know |
| 01:10.00 | Amarande | just like hunters aren't going to use ammo anymore |
| 01:10.01 | Lunessa | I haven't seen anything though |
| 01:10.18 | Adys | Amarande: they're turning them into 10 000 gold worth poor-quality items |
| 01:10.19 | Amarande | however, what I know is that hunters who have an ammo bag equipped will, instead of losing the bag, have it turned into a normal bag (I'm not sure what the size conversion will be) |
| 01:10.32 | Amarande | I was wondering if there's anything like that in the works for soulbags, too. |
| 01:10.50 | Lunessa | My warlock still has a giant shard bag full of useless shards. |
| 01:10.53 | Adys | no, obviously they're going to leave a completely irrelevant mechanic in game just for the fuck of it. |
| 01:10.54 | Adys | sighs |
| 01:11.13 | Jerub | Adys: we still have weapon skill |
| 01:11.21 | Adys | no you dont |
| 01:11.24 | Jerub | well, i do |
| 01:11.29 | Jerub | well, actually, i never did. <- druid |
| 01:11.31 | Adys | "hey, let's do hunters and forget about warlocks, will be fun" |
| 01:11.47 | Humbedooh | ^^ |
| 01:12.06 | Amarande | My tailor actually knows the old school 28 slot soul bag recipe |
| 01:12.12 | Humbedooh | pfeh, time to rebuild this stupid rendering function from scratch |
| 01:12.24 | Amarande | I was at one point kinda hoping to make it, but I could never find enough core leather, and farming that much felcloth will make my ears bleed and make me want to kick kittens |
| 01:13.04 | Amarande | I feel bad for engineers in Cata, though :| |
| 01:13.17 | Xyphoid | why, they look awesome |
| 01:13.27 | Amarande | Xyphoid: Ammo has always been one of the traditional ways to grind engineering cheaply. |
| 01:13.38 | Xyphoid | for a lootarang i'd give up the ability to wear pants |
| 01:13.39 | Amarande | And there's going to be a LOT of people grinding professions anew in Cata, since they'll be making new characters. |
| 01:13.53 | Amarande | Hmm. |
| 01:14.00 | Amarande | Makes me think it might be a good idea to farm a lot of thorium before cata. |
| 01:14.09 | Amarande | Especially thorium. |
| 01:14.54 | Lunessa | MOUNTAINS of thorium. |
| 01:15.14 | Jerub | my chanter hit 350 enchanting |
| 01:15.23 | Jerub | and then turned a mountain of greens to dust. |
| 01:15.29 | Jerub | is 400 infinite dust a lot? |
| 01:15.37 | Humbedooh | naw |
| 01:16.00 | Humbedooh | or well, depends on what you mean by a lot |
| 01:16.08 | Jerub | enough to get to 450 enchanting? ?:P |
| 01:16.18 | Humbedooh | don't think so |
| 01:16.24 | Jerub | i'm slowly making my money back on levelling enchanting. |
| 01:16.32 | Humbedooh | some recipes require 20+ dusts |
| 01:16.34 | Jerub | selling scrolls of enchant shield - stamina for 90g is nice. |
| 01:17.03 | Amarande | Lunessa: yeah, farming lots of thorium probably means RICH in Cata |
| 01:17.09 | Amarande | since that stuff is going to be HARD to get |
| 01:17.20 | Amarande | lots of people will need it for new metalworking characters |
| 01:17.31 | Jerub | people won't powerlevel professions for their 10th toon |
| 01:17.33 | Amarande | and the number of 50-60 zones is going WAY down according to the zone list I've seen |
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| 01:17.55 | Jerub | imho they'll go skinning/herbing |
| 01:17.55 | Amarande | gonna be dirt easy to get iron and mithril, *hard* to get thorium |
| 01:18.05 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah that's what I went on the DK |
| 01:18.14 | Lunessa | I see plenty of it in places in beta. It's just that people are impatient and unless they retune to 250-300ish range for engineering and balcksmithing you need a goddamned lot of it |
| 01:18.34 | Jerub | don't forget that high mat cost recipes are going to give more than 1 skill point |
| 01:19.20 | Jerub | will make crafting epic crap for yourself actually worth it. |
| 01:19.38 | Amarande | Jerub: you mean if we wait till cata, getting eng from 440 to 450 won't SUCK anymore? :) |
| 01:19.56 | Amarande | I'm told that's currently an exercise that requires a lot of patience and more than a little bit of masochism. |
| 01:20.04 | Jerub | Amarande: dunno |
| 01:20.06 | Jerub | ask someone in the beta |
| 01:20.18 | Lunessa | engineering didn't suck for me. I had lots of materials and got lucky with skill increases. |
| 01:20.34 | Amarande | Lunessa: 440-450 is bad because almost everything is green except for two items that you'll only ever want to make once each |
| 01:20.36 | Lunessa | And trades are largely not working in beta right now. |
| 01:20.37 | Jerub | i don't have an enigneer |
| 01:20.55 | Jerub | i'm /really/ enjoying raiding in wotlk atm tho |
| 01:21.04 | Amarande | reminds me of getting JC from 320 to 325 |
| 01:21.21 | Jerub | Amarande: any problem like that is easy if you just throw enough cash at the problem. |
| 01:21.22 | Amarande | and actually had to get *six* skillups for that, due to a glitch :P |
| 01:21.32 | Amarande | Jerub: I wasn't especially stocked up on gold at that point. |
| 01:22.46 | Jerub | Amarande: fail. |
| 01:31.10 | PProvost | Hey cog|away - is there a macro conditional for "if this debuff isn't already present"? I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but if anyone would know it is you. :P |
| 01:31.29 | Humbedooh | no ;( |
| 01:31.43 | Humbedooh | that would be too intelligent for a macro |
| 01:31.54 | Humbedooh | like decursive in the old days |
| 01:31.58 | PProvost | Yeah I know. Just getting annoyed at double clicking my CoA |
| 01:32.21 | PProvost | It mostly doesn't happen because of GCD, but still |
| 01:32.37 | Humbedooh | hm, make it a castsequence with a timeout then |
| 01:32.42 | Jerub | PProvost: i use power auras to tell me if i have to hit a button |
| 01:33.14 | PProvost | I don't have a problem knowing when, but because I spam-tap my spells, I sometimes double fire curses if I tap one too many times. |
| 01:34.00 | Humbedooh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.27 | PProvost | LOL. no |
| 01:34.34 | Humbedooh | well it'd help! :p |
| 01:34.45 | PProvost | I just need to pay closer attention |
| 01:34.47 | PProvost | haha |
| 01:35.55 | Lunessa | PProvost: Turn on "Secure Ability Toggle" - it helps with crack-monkey spamming. |
| 01:36.44 | PProvost | Ah yes |
| 01:36.52 | PProvost | Forgot about that |
| 01:36.53 | PProvost | ty |
| 01:39.00 | Amarande | Jerub: when I was getting JC from 320 to 325 was during BC on my warlock. |
| 01:39.16 | Amarande | Almost all the gold I'd had before then went to earlier levels of JC, or to my Dreadsteed quest. |
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| 01:58.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://imgur.com/a/862UL/1 |
| 02:00.13 | Lunessa | OMG <3 "* Texture assets will be dynamically managed in memory (rather than loaded up front and then retained eternally)." |
| 02:01.30 | Humbedooh | ye! |
| 02:01.49 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560499864&sid=2000 |
| 02:02.12 | Humbedooh | read Iriel's post a few days back |
| 02:02.16 | Humbedooh | first I was o.O |
| 02:02.19 | Humbedooh | then I was ^_^ |
| 02:02.53 | Lunessa | I had hoped streaming client would have a better handle on texture loading/management. And here it is. |
| 02:03.26 | Humbedooh | to be honest though...there's quite a lot of mem mgmt in WoW that screams for better handling |
| 02:05.09 | Humbedooh | hmmmz |
| 02:05.16 | Lunessa | Considering that it's a 32bit app that was designed in the 2000-2004 era and that personal computers have undergone two major shifts since then... it holds up decently. |
| 02:05.33 | Humbedooh | if I built a spreadsheet program ontop of libspreadsheet...you think I'd be allowed to install WoW as a work related program? ;> |
| 02:06.11 | Humbedooh | true true, but they've still had a few occasions to update the main app |
| 02:07.46 | durcyn | and they have, just not very well. look at the 3.0 shadow renderer. |
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| 02:08.41 | Lunessa | I for one would like a native 64bit version, or at least LMA and better multi-core support. |
| 02:08.48 | Humbedooh | indeedy |
| 02:09.12 | Humbedooh | multi-core would probably be first on my wish list |
| 02:09.38 | Humbedooh | if they could fx pack all Lua-related stuff onto one core (if possible at all) |
| 02:10.48 | Arrowmaster | as long as Lua and the frame draw are so closely intertwined dont expect true multi threaded support in wow anytime soon |
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| 02:11.44 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: *nod* Wasn't there a hack just pre-2.0-ish where people were getting the UI to run in it's own thread? |
| 02:11.57 | Arrowmaster | i dont think so |
| 02:12.07 | Lunessa | Might have been another game. |
| 02:12.17 | Lunessa | At my age, shit all melds together |
| 02:12.30 | Humbedooh | the 3d and 2d rendering really should be separate processes :| |
| 02:12.59 | Arrowmaster | that might be possible |
| 02:13.30 | kd3 | except for the whole... 2d positioning based on 3d location thing |
| 02:13.45 | A-KO | ugh |
| 02:13.55 | A-KO | I feel like to relaly troubleshoot Windows I need to get good at memory dumping and reading that stuff |
| 02:14.13 | Humbedooh | kd3: nameplates and such? |
| 02:14.30 | kd3 | yar |
| 02:14.35 | Arrowmaster | as long as both are synced on when they update it shouldnt be an issue |
| 02:14.36 | Humbedooh | well that shouldn't be an issue tho |
| 02:14.48 | Humbedooh | since 3d doesn't rely on 2d, only 2d that relies on 3d |
| 02:15.00 | Humbedooh | so 3d should in theory just do what it damn well pleases |
| 02:15.22 | Humbedooh | and if 2d can't catch up, too bad |
| 02:17.07 | Humbedooh | I don't see any logic in 3d having to wait for 2d really |
| 02:17.30 | Humbedooh | except for of course the compy arc back in the days when WoW was originally built |
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| 02:45.22 | Humbedooh | oh hai there |
| 02:46.56 | Xyphoid | this'll be fun, this week's plan is to extend icc10 until we finish |
| 02:47.09 | Xyphoid | no more farming 7/12 |
| 02:47.25 | Humbedooh | ^^ |
| 02:47.44 | Xyphoid | my psychic powers predict drama in the future |
| 02:47.49 | Humbedooh | My guess is, it'll piss off some people :) |
| 02:47.58 | Humbedooh | and usually the same people every time |
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| 03:00.03 | Humbedooh | squeeeee |
| 03:00.08 | Humbedooh | g |
| 03:00.19 | SqueeG | :D humbedooooooooooooooooooh |
| 03:00.30 | SqueeG | that's a fun name to say >>> |
| 03:00.33 | SqueeG | >.>* |
| 03:00.46 | Humbedooh | it's an onomatopoeia! |
| 03:00.51 | Humbedooh | of sorts.. |
| 03:01.08 | Humbedooh | I've forgotten what it means tho ;( |
| 03:01.10 | SqueeG | O_o |
| 03:01.11 | SqueeG | lol |
| 03:01.26 | SqueeG | don't remember where you ran across it? |
| 03:01.40 | Dagmar | I think maybe you've forgotten what 'onomatopoeia' means, actually. |
| 03:01.54 | Humbedooh | no no |
| 03:02.02 | SqueeG | oink |
| 03:02.13 | Humbedooh | I made it up myself |
| 03:02.13 | durcyn | welcome to the internet condecension zone |
| 03:02.25 | Humbedooh | just can't remember what it's supposed to refer to ;\ |
| 03:03.20 | SqueeG | hahaha |
| 03:04.01 | Dagmar | You can't just make up words like that. |
| 03:04.08 | SqueeG | why not? :p |
| 03:04.08 | Dagmar | Who the hell do you think you are? Sarah Palin? |
| 03:04.11 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 03:04.14 | Humbedooh | ;o |
| 03:04.18 | Humbedooh | you evil evil man! |
| 03:04.58 | Humbedooh | I certainly don't have a bridge to nowhere |
| 03:05.11 | Dagmar | Darn blizzard for damning warlocks to have crummy bracers |
| 03:05.56 | durcyn | the halion bracers are pretty great, what are you talking about |
| 03:06.01 | Dagmar | I think I'm going to have to give this Rawr module for warlocks a careful going over |
| 03:06.16 | SqueeG | my warr still has blue bracers D: |
| 03:06.23 | SqueeG | and he's my best geared >.< |
| 03:06.50 | Dagmar | durcyn: Yes, like I stand a chance in there |
| 03:07.01 | durcyn | sounds like a personal problem |
| 03:07.11 | durcyn | go get some ether-soaked then |
| 03:07.14 | Dagmar | I think it's more a matter of the Combustion Bracers are just uncommonly good for their ilevel |
| 03:07.35 | durcyn | combustion are crap, why would you choose to wear 226 at this point? |
| 03:07.45 | durcyn | you're overvaluing hit or not taking the cap into account in your calculations |
| 03:08.01 | SqueeG | mages or locks? |
| 03:08.05 | SqueeG | mages are super easy to cap : |
| 03:08.07 | SqueeG | :3 |
| 03:08.16 | Dagmar | Well, I can always gs-whore up those pvp bracers |
| 03:08.21 | Humbedooh | hit cap or knee cap? |
| 03:08.28 | SqueeG | both :D |
| 03:08.29 | durcyn | don't ever say "gs" to me again, and we'll get along just fine |
| 03:08.51 | SqueeG | i can't believe it's still being used T_T |
| 03:09.00 | SqueeG | thought that fad would die in the.... 4 months i didn't play |
| 03:09.27 | Thunder_Child | durcyn: gs |
| 03:09.28 | Dagmar | They're actually not crap bracers, just every goddamn thing else drops from places I'm not going yet |
| 03:09.38 | Xyphoid | there's the 245 crafted bracers |
| 03:09.39 | Xyphoid | boe |
| 03:09.43 | durcyn | Thunder_Child: ENJOY THE CORPSES OF YOUR FAMILY, SIR |
| 03:09.45 | Dagmar | ...or costs >3000g (fuuuck that) |
| 03:09.56 | Thunder_Child | durcyn: already do |
| 03:10.43 | Xyphoid | what about the 232 ones from falric |
| 03:10.57 | durcyn | Dagmar: gold is easy, and he's right. bejeweled or the 264 lady's brittle bracers are good interm pieces. |
| 03:11.12 | Dagmar | 10dps increase |
| 03:11.40 | durcyn | it's either that or heroic festergut 10 |
| 03:11.44 | Dagmar | durcyn: I'm not spending 4k on something I'll replace in November. That's just not happening. |
| 03:11.52 | Dagmar | I've still got toons who don't have epic flying if I want to spend that |
| 03:11.53 | durcyn | november. how cute. |
| 03:12.05 | durcyn | you still think it's going to release in november |
| 03:12.11 | Dagmar | It ain't going to kill me if *not* spending 4k means I have one piece that's not 251 |
| 03:12.28 | Adys | nevcairiel! |
| 03:12.31 | Dagmar | Well, if you guys will acutally report bugs instead of posting whines to the forum *snicker* |
| 03:13.09 | Adys | this channel needs more python devs |
| 03:13.15 | Dagmar | I just got the 4th piece of t9 on my 'lock and the frost badge cape |
| 03:13.16 | durcyn | Dagmar: i have, but honestly it's not about what's there being broken as much as woefully incomplete |
| 03:13.19 | Adys | Im being awesome at recoding tooltips and ive got nobody to show it off to |
| 03:13.34 | Dagmar | I 'spose it's about damn time I start trotting the lock into Ulduar and ICC |
| 03:13.59 | alestane | There's Cide, Adys, and I'm learning, but I think that's about it. |
| 03:14.18 | Adys | alestane: learn from the masters! http://dpaste.com/236629/ |
| 03:14.24 | SqueeG | when did python make a come back? |
| 03:14.27 | Dagmar | ...especially since I just got dragged into a Razorscale weekly on said warlock before the 4p T9 bonus and that was just DISTURBINGLY easy |
| 03:14.39 | Adys | so little code, so pretty and lean |
| 03:14.46 | Dagmar | They have nerfed the smouldering fuck out of Flame Leviatha |
| 03:14.59 | Adys | an agnostic tooltip renderer in 40 lines |
| 03:15.15 | Dagmar | I'm used to that fight going on and on and christ he didn't even make it the length of the room and back |
| 03:16.04 | Dagmar | I respecced to Destro last night and I'm already thinking I should go back to Demo tho |
| 03:16.37 | Dagmar | I don't care for seeing "Immune" go floating up off bosses that often. |
| 03:16.40 | SqueeG | I just remember python being used as a small step that was brushed aside in my friend's programming class |
| 03:17.20 | SqueeG | but |
| 03:17.38 | Dagmar | That's one thing that kills me about python |
| 03:17.48 | Dagmar | They keep throwing it into curriculum where programming isnt' the main focus. |
| 03:17.52 | Dagmar | They should be using perl for that |
| 03:17.58 | SqueeG | that same class decided that VB was the bee's knees |
| 03:18.00 | Dagmar | It's a lot more forgiving than python |
| 03:18.22 | Dagmar | SqueeG: MS Kool-aide |
| 03:18.54 | SqueeG | Eh |
| 03:19.03 | SqueeG | might as well learn strict, first |
| 03:19.05 | Dagmar | VB is bad for you. |
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| 03:19.35 | SqueeG | oh, wasn't talking about VB |
| 03:19.41 | SqueeG | i meant python v perl |
| 03:19.47 | Dagmar | I begin to think that it's a bad idea to teach people PHP/mysql first at all |
| 03:19.54 | SqueeG | awww |
| 03:20.00 | Kraps | hey jayne cobb and shepard book voice ME2? |
| 03:20.01 | SqueeG | i like php/mysql T_T |
| 03:20.01 | Dagmar | Nah, if someone doesn't _need_ to program, they should probably be using perl |
| 03:20.14 | Thunder_Child | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.466347 |
| 03:20.25 | Dagmar | Yeah but I keep having to deal with code written by people who got way too exciting about being able to put PHP inline |
| 03:20.36 | Dagmar | ...and that leads to really retarded things if you've never programmed before |
| 03:21.03 | Sliker | huge blocks of html in echo woo |
| 03:21.15 | Dagmar | Yeah for one thing |
| 03:21.36 | SqueeG | xD |
| 03:21.42 | Dagmar | Having no idea what to do about a form that needs to be able to reject some values and retain the rest being another |
| 03:22.29 | SqueeG | womg |
| 03:23.14 | Dagmar | I think I'm just going to be rewriting this entire datacenter inventory app in perl |
| 03:24.22 | Dagmar | It's not like it will need a gigantic codebase, or need to support hundreds of users at once |
| 03:24.34 | Dagmar | Might as well not even worry about mod_perl until I'm done |
| 03:24.37 | mikma | http://izismile.com/img/img3/20100830/640/daily_picdump_477_640_43.jpg |
| 03:25.03 | Dagmar | mikma: There's an idea |
| 03:25.14 | SqueeG | jesus H @ that newegg combo |
| 03:25.16 | Dagmar | I've got coworkers who don't know those keyboard accellerators by heart by now |
| 03:25.44 | Dagmar | NewEgg has the G510. I need to stay awway from there a few days |
| 03:25.47 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/690/ |
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| 03:26.57 | SqueeG | the gf wants a G15 ... |
| 03:27.07 | Dagmar | Nah. You want the G510. |
| 03:27.28 | Arrowmaster | G510 being the original G15 |
| 03:27.38 | Dagmar | Seems like Logitech actually listened to all the G15v1 owners going "WHAT?! NO!!" when they cut down the number of G-keys |
| 03:28.04 | Dagmar | Their little video on YouTube sort of indirectly mentions it. Hehe |
| 03:28.05 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/sports_in_finland_by_humond2xjglq.jpg |
| 03:28.16 | SqueeG | i want my 10 dollar keyboard that works just fine :p |
| 03:28.17 | Arrowmaster | that thing has bubble membrane keys though right? |
| 03:28.28 | Dagmar | Bubble membrane keys? |
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| 03:28.52 | Arrowmaster | the plastic bubble dome thingy |
| 03:28.55 | Dagmar | I have *heard* of people wearing through the G15 keys, and all I have to say is they need to stop chewing on the keyboard, or maybe wash their hands once in a while |
| 03:29.11 | Dagmar | I'm *still* using the original G15v1 |
| 03:29.27 | Arrowmaster | when i need to get a new keyboard im thinking a das keyboard |
| 03:29.39 | Dagmar | ...and I have fingernails that definitely hit the keys when I types |
| 03:29.51 | Dagmar | They're all at least 3/8 inch long |
| 03:30.15 | Dagmar | SqueeG: Show her http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/7246 |
| 03:30.29 | Dagmar | You can make the keys colorcycle. :) |
| 03:30.51 | Arrowmaster | "The integrated USB audio lets you strategize with teammates and trash-talk enemies in clear digital sound." |
| 03:30.54 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 03:31.01 | Dagmar | Hehe |
| 03:31.19 | Dagmar | It's got a USB sound chipset built in like the one my headset uses |
| 03:31.21 | SqueeG | do you want to make my wallet cry? |
| 03:31.23 | Arrowmaster | it has audio ports on it? or do they mean you can plug in a USB audio device? |
| 03:31.32 | Dagmar | It has audio ports on it |
| 03:31.58 | Dagmar | The gaming headphones I have (also Logitech) have this little dongle thing that's about three inches long that you plug the headphone and mic into |
| 03:32.01 | Dagmar | They just built that into the keyboard. |
| 03:32.11 | Wobin | you want a retro keyboard? |
| 03:32.12 | Wobin | http://www.retrothing.com/2010/08/commodore-64-modern-replica-coming-soon.html |
| 03:32.23 | Dagmar | ...so if you use Ventrilo you can have *just* Vent on the headphones if you like. This is handy. |
| 03:32.30 | Dagmar | Wobin: Hell no |
| 03:33.11 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i could do that anyway, i can remap all the audio ports and use the front panel ones to create a seperate device |
| 03:33.23 | Wobin | I want a fallback system for my ventrilo, if my headset is off, I want it to drop back to normal speakers |
| 03:33.27 | Dagmar | The only thing those keyboards should be used for is physical therapy tools for people who've recently had their hands crushed or something |
| 03:33.42 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yeah but trust me this is way easier |
| 03:33.57 | Arrowmaster | my way has more geek cred |
| 03:34.16 | Dagmar | I'll take the thing I don't have to futz with so I can get to raiding |
| 03:34.18 | durcyn | i haven't found a front audio panel yet that doesn't suffer from heinous line noise |
| 03:35.11 | durcyn | not to mention most onboard sound chipsets are worse than nothing |
| 03:35.28 | Dagmar | Wobin: Here I've got game sounds coming out of the speakers all the time, but if you have WoW set to system default output in Win7 it'll switch to the headset when you plug it in |
| 03:36.12 | Wobin | Dagmar: nah, I don't want game sounds through the headset |
| 03:36.14 | Wobin | just vent |
| 03:36.26 | Dagmar | Yeah an external USB sound device makes that much easier |
| 03:36.54 | Wobin | it's easier to ignore game sounds and try and focus on soft vent voices, than have one overpower the other if they're coming from different sources |
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| 03:37.17 | Dagmar | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/webcam-communications/internet-headsets-phones/devices/223 not as pricey as it's name would imply |
| 03:37.22 | Dagmar | I got 'em for $45 |
| 03:37.44 | Wobin | that headset style doesn't work well with glasses =( |
| 03:38.04 | Dagmar | Contact lenses |
| 03:38.17 | Wobin | uncomfortable for staring at screens |
| 03:38.26 | Dagmar | Soft lenses? Nah |
| 03:38.35 | Wobin | I have to have special lenses |
| 03:38.41 | Dagmar | I'm lookin' at screens for like 18 hours a day for the last ten years |
| 03:38.46 | Dagmar | Torics? |
| 03:38.51 | Wobin | and at $400 a pop, they're not disposible =P |
| 03:39.06 | Dagmar | I think things have changed a bit since you last looked into them |
| 03:39.10 | Wobin | nope |
| 03:39.19 | Wobin | not unless they changed in the last couple of years |
| 03:39.23 | Dagmar | Three years ago I got a "year's supply" of "disposable" torics |
| 03:39.32 | Dagmar | They weren't half that |
| 03:39.32 | Wobin | do you have astigmatism? |
| 03:39.37 | Dagmar | Lord yes |
| 03:39.44 | Wobin | are those lenses custom cut? |
| 03:39.56 | Dagmar | They make them in torics now |
| 03:40.12 | Wobin | I might look into them again |
| 03:40.29 | Dagmar | If you're in AU I don't know what to tell ya other than maybe look on the internet for a supplier |
| 03:40.32 | Wobin | but my last set, about two years ago, didn't have that option |
| 03:40.51 | Dagmar | This might be like that barbaric jaw unhinging thing they still do there for wisdom teeth |
| 03:40.54 | Wobin | if they have to be personalised, how can I get them over the internet? |
| 03:41.08 | Wobin | my lenses have to be mapped to my eyeball surface |
| 03:41.13 | Bruners | how do you get current in use editbox number? |
| 03:41.13 | Wobin | so they don't rotate |
| 03:41.29 | Dagmar | Wobin: You find out what your prescription needs to be and then go see if they have it in stock by some maker or other |
| 03:41.39 | Wobin | it's not a simple prescription though |
| 03:41.40 | Humbedooh | current in use number? |
| 03:41.46 | Humbedooh | you mean the name of the frame? |
| 03:42.03 | Bruners | _G['ChatFrame' number 'EditBox'] |
| 03:42.04 | Wobin | they get a bump map of the surface of my eye, and get it custom made |
| 03:42.10 | Wobin | then I have to go in for a few fittings |
| 03:42.14 | Wobin | and see if they work |
| 03:42.16 | Dagmar | Weird |
| 03:42.21 | Humbedooh | ah |
| 03:42.29 | Wobin | I get two free re-shapings |
| 03:42.29 | Dagmar | I remember going through that when I was a teenager |
| 03:42.30 | Dagmar | ...but that was like twenty years ago |
| 03:42.32 | Humbedooh | well just add a hook to the boxes |
| 03:42.44 | Wobin | does it matter if your lenses rotate? |
| 03:42.45 | Dagmar | http://www.1800contacts.com/lens/purevision-toric.htm <-- example of toric lenses online |
| 03:42.51 | Dagmar | Wobin: All torics rotate |
| 03:42.59 | Dagmar | They're basically bottom-weighted lenses |
| 03:43.10 | Wobin | yes, mine pretty much lock into place =P |
| 03:43.19 | Humbedooh | for i=1, 10 do _G['ChatFrame' .. number .. 'EditBox']:SetScript("OnShow", myval = number); end |
| 03:43.21 | Humbedooh | or something |
| 03:43.25 | Dagmar | They just spin around until the proper end of them is down |
| 03:43.42 | Dagmar | ...which makes for some fun vision when you first get up in the morning |
| 03:43.47 | Wobin | perhaps my vision is terrible enough that just weighting is not enough |
| 03:43.53 | Dagmar | Probably part of the reason I keep walking into crap |
| 03:44.36 | Dagmar | Without caffiene I tend to stay only minimally functional for at least an hour once I'm up |
| 03:45.19 | Wobin | Dagmar: according to those dropdowns |
| 03:45.22 | Wobin | I'm off the scale =) |
| 03:45.33 | Dagmar | Well, there's about thirty different manufacturers on that side |
| 03:45.36 | Dagmar | er site |
| 03:45.51 | Wobin | CYL - -3.25 in the right and -5.50 in the left |
| 03:45.51 | Dagmar | It TOOK AWHILE but I even found a few people who make novelty cosmetic lenses of the range I need |
| 03:46.16 | Wobin | (that was two years ago) |
| 03:46.30 | Dagmar | Whoo... -5.50 is pretty heavy |
| 03:46.56 | kd3 | geez... I got annoyed enough at my vision and I'm just -0.5 |
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| 03:47.12 | Dagmar | Yah look at PureVision Toric (PureVision for Astigmatism) |
| 03:47.18 | Dagmar | They've got them further out than that |
| 03:47.35 | Dagmar | They go to +6/-9 |
| 03:48.04 | Dagmar | kd3: If it weren't for contacts, I would probably need to pad the doors to my bathroom |
| 03:48.08 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: you sleep with your contacts in? |
| 03:48.10 | Bruners | what is the current ToC version ? |
| 03:48.16 | Dagmar | Hell yes now that I can |
| 03:48.16 | Wobin | hm, I don't have power on my prescription |
| 03:48.20 | kd3 | 30300 |
| 03:48.25 | Wobin | sph/cyl/axis |
| 03:48.25 | kd3 | per the toc |
| 03:48.28 | Dagmar | My eyesight is 87/20 |
| 03:48.28 | kd3 | s/toc/title |
| 03:48.56 | Arrowmaster | which side of +/- would nearsighted use |
| 03:49.02 | kd3 | - |
| 03:49.09 | Arrowmaster | then im around -8 |
| 03:49.15 | kd3 | ! |
| 03:49.18 | Dagmar | It gets a little tiresome having to grope the entire house to find my glasses if I was careless about where I left them the night before |
| 03:49.26 | Dagmar | I sure as hell can't SEE them without them or contacts in |
| 03:50.05 | Dagmar | I could practically start fires with my glasses when I was a kid |
| 03:50.15 | Arrowmaster | i just remember getting -8 when i was in flordia buying snorkeling goggles that had interchangeable lenses |
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| 03:51.09 | Dagmar | One night a cop who apparently didnt' know about contact lenses wanted to give me shit because my licence said "Glasses required" |
| 03:51.37 | Dagmar | I had to point out that if I weren't wearing contacts, I couldn't have gotten to the interstate. Hell, I wouldn't have been able to tell if my car had a hood ornament or not. |
| 03:51.39 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i think mine says "Corrective lenses required" |
| 03:52.06 | Arrowmaster | although they only added that when i got mine renewed at 21 |
| 03:52.28 | Arrowmaster | my license didnt have that requirement on it when i first got it |
| 03:52.45 | Dagmar | Did they forget or were you just sneaky about bypassing hte eye exam machine? |
| 03:52.50 | SqueeG | xD |
| 03:52.52 | Jerub | our traffic cops have to pass a test to be assholes. |
| 03:53.02 | Arrowmaster | i think they forgot |
| 03:53.05 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 03:53.09 | Wobin | well I'm glad there's some certification involved |
| 03:53.19 | Dagmar | Jerub: If that guy had given me a ticket I was going to just show my glasses to the jedge |
| 03:53.20 | Arrowmaster | i can pass the eye exam machines fine |
| 03:53.23 | Dagmar | er judge |
| 03:53.34 | Wobin | nothing worse than uncertified arseholes =P |
| 03:53.38 | Dagmar | They were over a quarter inch thick at the edges at the time |
| 03:54.00 | Dagmar | Damn fool wanted me to take one out and show him |
| 03:54.05 | Wobin | ugh |
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| 03:55.03 | Thunder_Child | i do not want to look back at irc and read "<Dagmar> Damn fool wanted me to take one out and show him" |
| 03:55.18 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Oh yeah. "take one out". |
| 03:55.21 | Dagmar | Like I've got two. |
| 03:55.31 | Dagmar | Getcher mind outta that gutter. |
| 03:56.42 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: depends what you are talking about |
| 03:57.05 | Dagmar | A cop wanting to dispute whether or not I was supposed to be wearing glasses to drive my car. |
| 03:57.40 | Dagmar | I suppose the idea that someone might have softlenses never occurred to him until that night. |
| 03:58.13 | Arrowmaster | are softlenses harder to take out or something? |
| 03:58.15 | Jerub | Dagmar: what diopter do you have in your glasses? |
| 03:58.25 | Dagmar | I've no idea anymore |
| 03:58.29 | Jerub | righto. |
| 03:58.47 | Arrowmaster | my mom has hard lenses so thats the only kind i know anything about |
| 03:58.51 | Jerub | my wife is on 8.25, and we have a friend (who, conveniently, works for an ophamologist) who is at 10.00 |
| 03:58.53 | Dagmar | I just know I'm blind as the proverbial bat without them, and seriously need a laser pointer to play pool |
| 03:59.09 | Dagmar | I had hard lenses for awhile after some eye damage in college |
| 03:59.20 | Arrowmaster | you have a laser pointer on a pool cue? i want one |
| 03:59.27 | Dagmar | Something went wrong with the softlenses I was wearing, and apparently they stopped aspirating oxygen. |
| 04:00.02 | Wobin | ugh |
| 04:00.03 | Jerub | i had to stop using lenses 15 odd years ago because i was getting a conjunctivitus from them |
| 04:00.04 | Wobin | painful |
| 04:00.07 | Dagmar | So I was pretty much running around with welders sunglasses on (yes, the kind blind people wear) my first semester and having no idea why my eyes were so incredibly light sensitive |
| 04:00.11 | Jerub | (irritant, not bacterial/viral/) |
| 04:00.17 | Dagmar | The pupils just stopped contracting |
| 04:00.39 | Wobin | I've been considering eye surgery |
| 04:00.47 | Dagmar | I've thought about it. |
| 04:00.51 | Wobin | where they insert a lens in front of the eye |
| 04:00.52 | Dagmar | Then I wake up screaming. |
| 04:01.03 | Jerub | Wobin: oh, that's the same as cataract surgery. |
| 04:01.06 | Wobin | yeah |
| 04:01.14 | Jerub | Wobin: my granddad liked it when they fixed his cataracts. |
| 04:01.15 | Wobin | and because of that, they have more practise at it =) |
| 04:01.24 | Dagmar | I watched them do a few procedures about four years ago |
| 04:01.27 | Wobin | and I like that concept better than burning away matter |
| 04:01.46 | Wobin | because it's more revertable than the usual lasik |
| 04:01.59 | Dagmar | Might ahve been the wrong thing to do, but I really don't want that equipment near my eyeballs when I *have* to be awake for it |
| 04:02.24 | Dagmar | It would take a bunch of valium to get me through it |
| 04:02.59 | Arrowmaster | ive heard the machine can detect instantly if your eye isnt where it should be and stops |
| 04:03.08 | Dagmar | With contact lenses, I can see fine. |
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| 04:03.30 | Dagmar | ...or at least, well enough that I'm not interested in having someone blasting them with lasers. |
| 04:03.54 | Arrowmaster | i have long eye lashes and that causes problems with my glasses |
| 04:04.27 | Dagmar | Oh you'd LOVE what those would do with hard lenses then |
| 04:04.40 | Dagmar | They get sucked right up under the lens |
| 04:05.10 | Wobin | lid? |
| 04:05.31 | Dagmar | No, the ever-reproducing "errant eyelash" |
| 04:05.39 | Dagmar | They do fall out from time to time |
| 04:05.58 | Arrowmaster | and ive got this weird alergy/sinus thing where stuff goes the wrong way between the eye/nose canal so im constantly getting stuff in my eyes from my bad sinuses |
| 04:06.05 | Wobin | I think I had that happen a time or two |
| 04:06.05 | Arrowmaster | so i dont think contacts are an option |
| 04:06.20 | Dagmar | With soft-lenses, they generally just hang around for a bit and then wash under the lid and down to the corner |
| 04:06.45 | Dagmar | ...but since hard lenses stick to your eyes by *suction* instead of stiction, eyelashes have a really irksome tendency to actually get up under the lens. |
| 04:07.23 | Dagmar | It's hard to keep a cool head and carefully remove a hard lens when it feels like there's a piece of toothpick in your eye |
| 04:07.37 | SqueeG | gah |
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| 04:12.15 | Dagmar | *sigh* Absent-mindedness sucks. |
| 04:12.43 | Dagmar | I picked up Resistance: Fall of Man for the PS3 on the way home from the grocery store. |
| 04:12.54 | Dagmar | It's been in the freezer for the last three hours. |
| 04:13.09 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 04:13.14 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 04:13.15 | Jerub | anyone here happen to be a bloody expert on unix crap? |
| 04:13.25 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 04:13.30 | Iriel | mostly |
| 04:13.39 | Dagmar | Just don't ask me to put it and the corn dogs away at the same time. |
| 04:13.45 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: good game though, one of the about 6 ps3 games i think i own |
| 04:14.05 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I'm just now getting around to investigating it. |
| 04:14.05 | Jerub | Dagmar: i want to open a lockfile before daemonising instead of after. |
| 04:14.09 | Dagmar | ...or at least I will in about 10 more minutes |
| 04:14.30 | Jerub | Dagmar: how do i keep the lockfile locked in the child? it seems to release the lock when the parent exits (they share the fd) |
| 04:14.31 | Dagmar | Jerub: OKay so how is that a problem |
| 04:14.37 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: thawing it out? |
| 04:14.43 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yep. |
| 04:15.05 | SqueeG | lol |
| 04:15.05 | Dagmar | Jerub: Ah... Just re-lock it in the child with non-blocking lock afaik |
| 04:15.24 | Kraps | kick-ass is seriously fucked up and awesome |
| 04:15.26 | SqueeG | i've put the cereal in the fridge and milk in the cupboard |
| 04:15.27 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I pulled it out and it frosted over right before my eyes |
| 04:15.28 | SqueeG | >.> |
| 04:15.31 | Jerub | Dagmar: ah right. makes sense. |
| 04:15.49 | Jerub | means there's a race condition for notifying the user but it's okay becasue it will DRT |
| 04:15.57 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i would play resistance2 with you if you ever get it and i ever decide to allow my ps3 to access PSN again and update its firmware |
| 04:16.21 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I'm half considering downgrading to spite them, but I like RDR too much |
| 04:16.46 | Arrowmaster | ive got the last firmware with other os support |
| 04:16.47 | Dagmar | They need to simplify that XMB |
| 04:17.10 | Arrowmaster | yeah XMB was too complex |
| 04:17.10 | Dagmar | ...and they're not doing it. All they seem to be doing is putting in more shops in the online mall |
| 04:17.28 | Dagmar | I popped in a DVD last night and had to go looking through the menus for it |
| 04:18.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah 360 has one location in the dashboard that you goto and press the A button to launch whatever is in the drive |
| 04:18.25 | Dagmar | Maybe they'll fix it by the time LBP2 comes out |
| 04:18.53 | Arrowmaster | doubt it, ps3 may have the better hardware but it fails at software |
| 04:19.37 | Dagmar | Argh that reminds me I should start working on a Cata XMB theme |
| 04:32.17 | SqueeG | gooooooooooood night :D |
| 04:32.27 | Humbedooh | nighty night squee |
| 04:32.28 | Humbedooh | g |
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| 04:40.47 | Wobin | ~wowalert |
| 04:40.47 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 04:41.42 | Jerub | Dagmar: i think i'm using the wrong method for locking :/ |
| 04:42.17 | Dagmar | LOCK_NB should work in the child |
| 04:42.28 | Jerub | Dagmar: not if the parent has the lock |
| 04:42.36 | Dagmar | it's a non-blocking lock for a reason |
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| 04:42.51 | Dagmar | Lemme think a moment |
| 04:42.59 | Jerub | wait on. |
| 04:43.09 | Jerub | if i use LOCK_NB | LOCK_EX in the parent can i just use LOCK_NB in the child? |
| 04:43.13 | Dagmar | Oh. Use a shared lock. |
| 04:44.40 | Jerub | Dagmar: but uh. don't i need exclusive to uh. lock? |
| 04:44.47 | Dagmar | IIRC a shared lock should work, you just get to still try a momentary exclusive lock to test |
| 04:45.12 | Dagmar | It shoudln't be closing when the parent goes away tho |
| 04:45.25 | Dagmar | Oh wait demonizing yah nevermind |
| 04:45.50 | Dagmar | Shared locks can be held by more than one process at a time |
| 04:46.23 | Dagmar | So, basically, if you're looking to queue operations on a fifo by having a bunch of processes throw down blocking flock() calls, they're not all that useful |
| 04:46.24 | Jerub | yeah, but i'm doing this so i don't have the same program running twice. |
| 04:46.47 | Dagmar | You can still IIRC _check_ for the lock if it's a shared lock |
| 04:46.54 | Jerub | wait on, i can use shared in the parent and a blocking EX lock in the child. |
| 04:46.56 | Jerub | that'll work |
| 04:47.22 | Dagmar | I've solved that before in perl but damned if I know where the code is now |
| 04:47.31 | Jerub | yeah, that works great. |
| 04:47.38 | Dagmar | Otherwise I'd look to be sure |
| 04:47.59 | Jerub | LOCK_SH | LOCK_NB in the parent in a loop to wait for lock to be available with timeout, then LOCK_EX in the child so that it waits for parent to exit. |
| 04:48.35 | Dagmar | I hadda make the entire schlamiel more or less independent from the rest of it's parts, so the backend daemon was actually being launched by the first client to touch that server instance |
| 04:49.06 | Dagmar | Jerub: Alarm handlers should be able to get you out of the block |
| 04:49.25 | Dagmar | Meh just don't write a spinlock, whatever you do |
| 04:49.45 | Dagmar | unless(flock(hf)) { #we're going to hell |
| 04:50.04 | Dagmar | or rather s/unless/until/ or something |
| 04:51.49 | Dagmar | I'll have to play with that tomorrow at work. I am just not remembering why the lock goes away with the parent if it's still valid in the child |
| 04:52.12 | Jerub | Dagmar: i know for a fact it's possible to make a child keep the lock |
| 04:52.22 | Jerub | becasue i had a drama once where one daemon of mine restarted postgresql. |
| 04:52.35 | Jerub | and postgresql doesn't close filedescriptors, and ended up retaining my lock. |
| 04:52.41 | Dagmar | Are you maybe doing this on win32 or something? |
| 04:52.48 | Jerub | so my daemon when restarted would stop, and coulnd't start because postgresql was locking i tout. |
| 04:52.51 | Jerub | pfft |
| 04:52.52 | Jerub | linux. |
| 04:52.56 | Dagmar | ...or an remote FS maybe? |
| 04:52.59 | Jerub | nope. |
| 04:53.03 | Dagmar | Weird. |
| 04:54.26 | Jerub | ah, wikipedia wins |
| 04:54.26 | Jerub | All fcntl locks associated with a file for a given process are removed when any file descriptor for that file is closed by that process, even if a lock was never requested for that file descriptor. Also, fcntl locks are not inherited by a child process. The fcntl close semantics are particularly troublesome for applications that call subroutine libraries that may access files. |
| 04:55.39 | Dagmar | Oh dur... |
| 04:55.48 | Dagmar | I found my scribbly notebook from then |
| 04:55.53 | Dagmar | Yeah, shared lock, then exclusive |
| 04:56.01 | Jerub | yeah, thanks for that. |
| 04:56.29 | Dagmar | I have some rage scribbled in the corner relating to that hehe |
| 04:56.33 | Jerub | also, fuckwit me was thinking there wasn't a man page for flock() and was looking at fcntl() and lockf() becasue i forgot to use man 2 flock. |
| 04:57.30 | Dagmar | I just typed `perldoc -f flock` |
| 04:58.26 | Dagmar | Almost every instance of perl wrappering a C call winds up with less eye-watering docs in the perl docs |
| 05:00.26 | Jerub | yeah, i was reading the python variant of that, but i always end up on the man pages becasue they define the error conditions better |
| 05:02.01 | Jerub | fortunately, these problems are relatively easy to decompose to the posix system calls becasue I was literally running strace on things to see what flange was being put into which slot |
| 05:02.54 | Jerub | Wobin: We will be performing rolling restarts on Tuesday, August 31, beginning at 05:00 AM PST. Downtime for each realm is expected to be minimal. |
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| 05:04.56 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cLrAJawSfg |
| 05:04.59 | Wobin | Jerub: ah, ta =) |
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| 05:10.52 | Amarande | yay 11/12 |
| 05:11.21 | Amarande | also: when will blizzard stop with the crash bandicoot boss mechanics :( |
| 05:11.34 | Amarande | halion, LK ... they keep reminding me seriously of that series :| |
| 05:11.58 | Fisker | oh hi i just upgraded your hurricane |
| 05:13.25 | Fisker | once upon a time Wobin |
| 05:13.34 | kd3 | is glad he doesn't live on the east coast |
| 05:13.49 | Fisker | upgrades kd3 to east coast |
| 05:13.54 | Fisker | oh hi |
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| 05:15.59 | Fisker | why do you hate me? |
| 05:17.17 | kd3 | you sound like there's options other than hate when it comes to you |
| 05:17.56 | Amarande | ok ... 8 crystallized air, 28 saronite bars, 10 titansteel bars, and 8 crusader orbs. |
| 05:18.00 | Amarande | *tries to commit this to memory.* |
| 05:19.37 | Fisker | there totally is kd3 :( |
| 05:22.22 | Jerub | Amarande: sindy? |
| 05:24.57 | Amarande | Jerub: sindy was pretty annoying too, yeah. |
| 05:25.22 | Amarande | especially when you get hit and die from blistering cold just as you're hitting the anti-magic shell button :P |
| 05:25.33 | Amarande | especially since it's a fight things can go south seven ways to Sunday even more than BQL. |
| 05:25.37 | Amarande | BQL feels like great fun now. :) |
| 05:25.51 | Jerub | Amarande: our dk tank hit 19 stacks of the damage debuff before falling over on sindy. |
| 05:25.57 | Jerub | and that's because all healers were dead. |
| 05:26.08 | Jerub | next attempt we do is going to be bear for 4 stacks, DK for 10. |
| 05:26.11 | Jerub | just to be safe... |
| 05:26.27 | Amarande | yeah it was a lot of folks' first sindy run |
| 05:26.39 | Amarande | we got P1 down pat pretty quickly, but P2 took about seven or eight attempts |
| 05:27.02 | Amarande | Meanwhile ... |
| 05:27.15 | Amarande | You don't happen to know a good place to farm Crystallized Air that doesn't involve me having to risk PvP ganking, do you? |
| 05:27.38 | Amarande | I tried the guys in western Sholazar, the drop rate is pathetic, plus they come with water elementals and I HATE WATER ELEMENTALS |
| 05:27.51 | Arrowmaster | what are you a frost mage? |
| 05:27.54 | Amarande | Arrow: frost DK |
| 05:28.24 | Amarande | it's just boggling though ... seemed like they stopped giving most mobs, even elementals, elemental immunities in BC and even more so in WOTLK |
| 05:28.32 | Amarande | but water elementals *still* get that damn frost immunity |
| 05:28.40 | Amarande | I'm not even sure fire elementals are immune to fire anymore |
| 05:28.52 | Jerub | Amarande: being an alchemist? |
| 05:29.05 | Amarande | but yeah, are there any places with a decent drop rate for crystallized air that aren't WG? |
| 05:29.13 | Amarande | Jerub: trying to get the 245 crafted chest piece made |
| 05:29.20 | Amarande | for which I need four deadly saronite dirks, and thus eight crystallized air. |
| 05:29.29 | Amarande | and I'm trying NOT to AH stuff if I can farm it, because then I go broke. |
| 05:29.57 | Amarande | (If I want it before I leave for Dragon Con, in fact, I'm probably going to need all of my money to buy Titansteel cooldowns and Crusader Orbs) |
| 05:30.09 | Amarande | oh wait ... are crusader orbs triumph badges? |
| 05:30.14 | Amarande | maybe I do have a use for 5-mans still |
| 05:30.27 | robokitty | tried the cage up in Storm Peaks? |
| 05:30.27 | Xyphoid | also, frozen orbs = eternal air = 10 crystallised air |
| 05:30.34 | Jerub | oh wait, |
| 05:30.35 | Fisker | robokitty ! |
| 05:30.37 | Jerub | you don't need eternal air? |
| 05:30.40 | Jerub | pfft. |
| 05:30.57 | Jerub | crystallised air costs approximate 1g each on my server |
| 05:30.59 | robokitty | Fucking double Fisker after it rains |
| 05:31.50 | Xyphoid | yeah, 90% of the time when i consider farming something it's more effective to do dailies and buy it, or farm something else, sell that, and buy what i want |
| 05:32.46 | Amarande | Xyphoid: yeah, I'm just kinda hoping to have it for the raid on 9/9 |
| 05:33.02 | Amarande | for which I have basically three and a half days to prepare, WoW-wise |
| 05:33.40 | Amarande | closer to two and a half really, since tomorrow I only have a little bit of time (I work 12-6 and the morning is no good because of stupid maint) |
| 05:35.33 | Amarande | beta people: is elemental farming still being nudged towards a marriage with PvP in Cata? |
| 05:36.05 | Fisker | hey Amarande |
| 05:36.05 | Fisker | me |
| 05:36.20 | Amarande | like how in LK (apart from the frozen orb trades) almost the only reasonable source for some elements in quantity is WG |
| 05:36.44 | Xyphoid | there's an air ele cave in storm peaks that's fine |
| 05:37.43 | Amarande | yeah, that looks better :) |
| 05:37.56 | Amarande | though Fire and Air still seem by far the scrappiest elements to farm :) |
| 05:37.58 | robokitty | it's also phased |
| 05:38.15 | Xyphoid | do you actually get ganked in wintergrasp? i've been killed once ever there outside battle time |
| 05:38.33 | Amarande | Well, and water if you're a DK. |
| 05:38.39 | Amarande | Xyphoid: Yeah, I've been ganked in WG. |
| 05:38.40 | robokitty | fire, can be done down by the Sons of Hodir, but that's heavily phased as well - and doesn't support more than one |
| 05:38.50 | Amarande | There was this goddamn shadow priest ganking half our raid last time I went to VOA. |
| 05:38.58 | robokitty | lol |
| 05:38.59 | Amarande | robokitty: yeah, and that's the only non-WG place for fire |
| 05:39.11 | Amarande | I'd just give up and AH that if I wasn't a frost DK heh |
| 05:39.12 | robokitty | standing on the circle in the portal room? |
| 05:39.25 | Amarande | robokitty: I didn't see him ... I died of dots |
| 05:39.28 | robokitty | above where the Orb is |
| 05:39.29 | robokitty | yeah |
| 05:39.42 | Amarande | Thankfully, frost DK is almost *unfair* when it comes to competing for farm spots. |
| 05:39.46 | robokitty | with a bit of latency, you can fly in and up there, and start ganking away at afk people |
| 05:39.50 | Xyphoid | i get my fire from mining |
| 05:39.52 | Amarande | (and I don't think that's going to change in Cata, either) |
| 05:40.05 | Amarande | Xyphoid: fire only comes from Titanium nodes ... I don't know what server you're on where Titanium nodes are common :) |
| 05:41.17 | Amarande | let's see ... water, it's northrend, so ice elementals are everywhere. (even though I hate them with a passion and often AH water element anyway :P) |
| 05:41.25 | Amarande | shadow, you get it all the time from saronite nodes |
| 05:41.31 | Amarande | life, herb nodes are constantly dropping that |
| 05:41.32 | Xyphoid | i'm running offpeak time, so the titanium falls from the sky |
| 05:41.43 | Amarande | earth is dirt common and dirt cheap as always |
| 05:41.48 | Humbedooh | fire comes from fire elementals too? ;> |
| 05:41.50 | Amarande | fire and air ... *grumble* |
| 05:41.56 | Amarande | Humbedooh: there aren't many fire elementals in Northrend |
| 05:42.03 | Humbedooh | sure there are |
| 05:42.05 | Humbedooh | in wintergrasp |
| 05:42.07 | Amarande | in fact, fire elementals pretty much only live in *two places* in Northrend |
| 05:42.13 | robokitty | yeah |
| 05:42.17 | robokitty | down by bot corner in BT |
| 05:42.19 | robokitty | and WG |
| 05:42.26 | robokitty | (and the Sons of Hodir place) |
| 05:42.47 | Fisker | hey robokitty |
| 05:42.53 | robokitty | is never seizes to amuse me, whenever I fly through BT, just how many high level DKs there are in bot corner |
| 05:43.06 | Xyphoid | bot corner? |
| 05:43.54 | robokitty | especially when one of the alliance ones manages to grab a horde guard from Bor'gorok Outpost |
| 05:44.02 | Fisker | a corner with bots Xyphoid |
| 05:44.17 | Amarande | anyway, I guess I wonder if cata is going to be more balanced with elemental availability |
| 05:44.21 | robokitty | Charred Rise |
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| 05:44.36 | Amarande | or if they're going to have Tol Barad be a main source of elements again and then be one or two that are really hard to find outside it |
| 05:44.43 | robokitty | there's always a handful of high level characters running the same pattern for hours downthere |
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| 05:45.17 | Amarande | ahh, there's the cave |
| 05:45.20 | Fisker | Alram |
| 05:45.21 | Amarande | and let's just say, as I've said many times before |
| 05:45.22 | Fisker | *nods* |
| 05:45.32 | Amarande | I just really *do not like* feature trends that appear to be Blizzard trying to nudge us to PvP more. |
| 05:45.49 | Amarande | Hell ... I didn't even get an HK on this DK until I was headed to VOA 25 the other day and someone apparently killed a player outside VOA. :) |
| 05:47.22 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 05:47.24 | Fisker | *nods* |
| 05:48.16 | Fisker | hate then |
| 05:51.43 | Amarande | yay, there's my crystallized air. |
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| 05:52.21 | robokitty | what is this shit |
| 05:52.28 | robokitty | only one bot down at bot corner today :( |
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| 05:58.38 | Fisker | Probably because they're tired robokitty |
| 05:58.44 | Fisker | and you know, not because Blizzard removed them |
| 06:01.12 | Mr_Rabies | where do the bots farm nowadays? |
| 06:01.16 | Mr_Rabies | i want to grief them :3 |
| 06:01.46 | Mr_Rabies | used to fearbomb tyr's hand and get yelled at in chinese back in the day |
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| 06:03.18 | Fisker | I used to get insulted in english back when i was camping TFA |
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| 06:05.14 | Amarande | LOL at EJ sig ... "Stop thinking with your nuts and start thinking with the black and bitter ball of hatred buried in your chest" |
| 06:05.19 | Mr_Rabies | why'd you camp it? |
| 06:08.49 | Fisker | Because i am thoroughly unpleasant and really creepy |
| 06:09.09 | Fisker | Also because i hate alliance, especially at that specific faction ratio we had back then |
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| 06:11.58 | Olison | gg Fisker, most creepiest person alive |
| 06:14.38 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn :) |
| 06:14.52 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 06:20.44 | Fisker | Cairenn is a bloody traitor |
| 06:21.00 | Guest73081 | What'd I do now? |
| 06:21.14 | Fisker | [08:14:56] * Cairenn is now known as Guest73081 |
| 06:21.18 | Fisker | you're not real |
| 06:21.21 | Guest73081 | offs |
| 06:21.27 | Fisker | i.e You are a SPY |
| 06:21.29 | Fisker | or a SPAH |
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| 06:27.29 | Amarande | hey, no picking on Cairenn |
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| 06:52.48 | Humbedooh | bukket~ |
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| 07:15.15 | zenzio | going incognito? |
| 07:15.26 | Guest95665 | no, trying to not be |
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| 07:15.48 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/30/funny-pictures-we-cant-all-be-this-fortunate/ |
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| 07:19.53 | Guest95665 | growls some more |
| 07:20.00 | Torhal- | Guest95665: Spammer - http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204368&postcount=3 |
| 07:20.29 | Fisker | i judy pukrf in my mouth |
| 07:20.34 | Torhal | ... |
| 07:20.39 | Fisker | geddit? |
| 07:20.44 | Fisker | because there's puke in my mouth |
| 07:21.04 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi1uQV4wJ0Q |
| 07:21.08 | Fisker | nsfw btw |
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| 07:28.13 | robokitty | :| |
| 07:30.23 | Zhinjio | hmm |
| 07:32.21 | Zhinjio | is there a way to get a macro to show the tooltip for "what is in trinket1" slot? |
| 07:32.31 | Jerub | i really wish there was a way i could practice abomination driving without actually being in a raid. |
| 07:32.33 | Zhinjio | instead of using a spellname for #show or #showtooltip? |
| 07:33.01 | unfo- | Jerub, what is abomination driving? |
| 07:34.11 | Jerub | unfo-: plague quarter of icc, last boss, professor putricide. the OT turns into an abomination, eats slime, spews gunk and swipes the boss. |
| 07:34.32 | unfo- | aaaa |
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| 09:47.29 | mitch0 | zhinjio: #show 13 ? |
| 09:47.48 | Zhinjio | hmm. think I tried that. Looking again... |
| 09:48.02 | mitch0 | not sure if 13 is the trinke slot though |
| 09:48.28 | Zhinjio | yeah, it is |
| 09:48.29 | Zhinjio | 13 and 14 |
| 09:48.38 | Zhinjio | and lo, it works! |
| 09:48.40 | Zhinjio | thanks |
| 09:48.43 | Zhinjio | thought I tried that |
| 09:48.55 | Zhinjio | er, hmm. |
| 09:50.36 | Zhinjio | I need to get OmniCC on that, cuz its not showing anything but the spiral, and that is ass |
| 09:50.38 | Zhinjio | thanks |
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| 11:45.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | look at this s/o question - the answer flagged as correct was the slowest of all the solutions |
| 11:45.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3602079 |
| 11:46.09 | zenzio | "Wow! More than 10 million times... You mean that if you squeeze three cycles out of this function, you will save as much as 0.03s?" |
| 11:46.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | i know i love it |
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| 11:48.05 | cbreak_work | correctness and speed is sometimes ortogonal. |
| 11:49.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | the fastest solutions used intrinsics anyways |
| 11:51.34 | Kalroth | GetTickCount() is a poor way of measuring btw |
| 11:51.46 | sylvanaar_atwork | what do you suggest |
| 11:51.54 | Kalroth | QueryPerformanceCounter() |
| 11:51.55 | zenzio | QueryPerformanceCounter possibly |
| 11:51.56 | zenzio | damnit |
| 11:52.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | it was a quick and dirty test |
| 11:52.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | the results were the same every time i ran it though |
| 11:52.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | so it was good enough |
| 11:52.24 | zenzio | the difference seemed big enough with GetTickCount to get the idea |
| 11:52.56 | zenzio | but yeah, never know. I avoid getting into optimisation debates, my knowledge is usually not deep enough to win |
| 11:53.00 | Kalroth | Yeah, I'm just saying GetTickCount() got a few issues and it is low resolution |
| 11:53.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | good point Kalroth i didnt know that |
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| 11:54.03 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: you use i++ instead of the proper ++i :P |
| 11:54.14 | Kalroth | I prefer +i+ |
| 11:54.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 11:55.13 | zenzio | InterlockedIncrement(&i); |
| 11:55.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | rofl |
| 11:55.32 | Kalroth | I like the catch on the intrinsic function |
| 11:55.53 | Kalroth | I wonder what kind of secret optimization they do :p |
| 11:56.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | let me look at the listing |
| 11:57.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | ho ho ho |
| 11:58.01 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: of course the correct answer is : don't bother with it |
| 11:58.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | the intrinsic does it in 6 instuctions |
| 11:58.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | that cant be right |
| 11:59.09 | mitch0 | paste? |
| 11:59.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | its an instruction bsr |
| 12:00.01 | mitch0 | yeah, returns the index of first 1 bit |
| 12:00.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | cant beat that |
| 12:00.14 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 12:00.46 | mitch0 | although it's undef on 0 |
| 12:02.15 | mitch0 | can be solved with a |= 1 up front though |
| 12:02.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://asm.pastey.net/140219 |
| 12:02.53 | zenzio | I wonder how much time they spent optimising the hell out of the intrinsics |
| 12:03.01 | unfo- | woah at that stackoverflow... i don't often face code that low level :) |
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| 12:03.35 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: in that form it _might_ fail for a=0 (a being the input) |
| 12:03.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | wonder why it doesnt |
| 12:04.03 | mitch0 | pure luck is my guess |
| 12:04.22 | mitch0 | actually, it's probably because eax (or edx, dunno which is "first") is 0 at the start |
| 12:04.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | yes |
| 12:04.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats what i think also |
| 12:05.09 | mitch0 | so to make it foolproof, the input needs to be |= 1 |
| 12:05.28 | mitch0 | don't quite get the inc eax bit though |
| 12:06.26 | mitch0 | actually, don't quite get all the reg jugling either |
| 12:06.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | sorry that was part of the loop |
| 12:06.33 | mitch0 | why not work directly on edx? |
| 12:06.58 | mitch0 | bsr edx, eax; shr edx, 3 |
| 12:07.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | heres a better paste that has the for loop code |
| 12:07.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://asm.pastey.net/140220 |
| 12:07.39 | mitch0 | oh well, it's probably the surrounding code "poisoning" the inner one |
| 12:08.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | eax is the loop variable |
| 12:09.00 | mitch0 | hm. I don't get it |
| 12:09.10 | mitch0 | line 14 |
| 12:09.18 | mitch0 | why does it store edx instead of esi? |
| 12:10.02 | Kalroth | edx and esi is identical |
| 12:10.10 | Kalroth | line 10 moves edx into esi |
| 12:10.12 | Kalroth | nm |
| 12:10.20 | Kalroth | it shifts esi |
| 12:10.27 | mitch0 | yeah, and lin 11 divides esi by 8 :) |
| 12:10.33 | mitch0 | then increments it |
| 12:11.00 | Kalroth | esi is the index pointer through esp, no? |
| 12:11.11 | mitch0 | could be ;) |
| 12:11.18 | mitch0 | I haven't touched asm in like 20 years :) |
| 12:11.25 | ckknight | but esp's not real, Kalroth |
| 12:11.35 | mitch0 | *tinfoil hat* |
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| 12:11.48 | Kalroth | well line 14 is real :p |
| 12:12.05 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: that code is teh wrong imo |
| 12:12.21 | mitch0 | (or I miss some fundamental truth) |
| 12:13.19 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: in any case , try a test where you go down from 2^24 to 0 by 2^16 and see what result it prints for 0 |
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| 12:16.13 | ckknight | can people look at/try out http://www.wowace.com/addons/liblinq-1-0/ and give me feedback? |
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| 12:18.29 | unfo- | ckknight, cool, man! |
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| 12:23.30 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: come back and xplain that goddam code ;) |
| 12:23.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | its pretty simple |
| 12:24.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | line 9, take the loop variable and pass it to bsr put the result in edx |
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| 12:25.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | line 10 move edx to esi for some reason |
| 12:25.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | line 11 divide by 8 |
| 12:25.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | line 12 ignore (its the loop variable) |
| 12:26.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | line 13 add 1 so the result is in the range 1-4 |
| 12:26.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | i dont know why it does the move to esi |
| 12:27.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | im guessing because of the original code having a local variable |
| 12:27.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | heres the original |
| 12:27.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://asm.pastey.net/140221 |
| 12:28.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | so esi represents the variable index |
| 12:29.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | also look at MS's documentation |
| 12:29.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/fbxyd7zd(VS.80).aspx |
| 12:30.19 | mitch0 | sylv: ok, but what does line 14 do? |
| 12:30.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | puts the result in j |
| 12:30.40 | mitch0 | it seemingly stores an intermediate and completely useless reult somehwere |
| 12:30.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | it has to do that |
| 12:30.52 | mitch0 | but edx doesn't have the result |
| 12:30.56 | mitch0 | it has the bitindex |
| 12:31.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | esi has the result |
| 12:31.12 | mitch0 | oh |
| 12:31.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats wierd |
| 12:31.31 | mitch0 | erm |
| 12:31.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh |
| 12:32.02 | mitch0 | ? |
| 12:33.12 | mitch0 | ah |
| 12:33.15 | mitch0 | comprende |
| 12:33.29 | mitch0 | it's the value of index after the call to bitscanreverse |
| 12:33.57 | mitch0 | it'd probably go away if you used register DWORD index; |
| 12:34.11 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info17571-WoW-ProGuides.html |
| 12:34.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | maybe |
| 12:34.22 | mitch0 | although the compiler should've done that in any case |
| 12:34.28 | mitch0 | stupid compiler |
| 12:35.34 | mitch0 | ok, back to work :) |
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| 12:50.11 | alestane | I like Heart's sense of drama: http://www.gocomics.com/heartofthecity/2010/08/31/ |
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| 12:53.18 | zenzio | hm, "The Evolutionary Void" (third part of the Void Trilogy) finally shipped... now we get to see if I still remember what went on in the first two :-| |
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| 12:54.03 | [Ammo] | zenzio: I'm waiting for the small paperback |
| 12:54.10 | [Ammo] | they only sell the big one atm |
| 12:54.19 | [Ammo] | and I have the dreaming and temporal in small |
| 12:54.19 | zenzio | not a bad idea |
| 12:54.41 | zenzio | I preordered mine right after I finished the second one, thinking it would be out much sooner >.< |
| 12:55.06 | [Ammo] | it's been out for a while now I think |
| 12:55.24 | mikma | ah hahahahahahahahahahahahaha, nsfw?, http://poorlydressed.com/ |
| 12:56.41 | zenzio | [Ammo]: if Amazon's right, it was only recently released |
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| 12:59.13 | mitch0 | is this guy any good? (hamilton) |
| 12:59.23 | mitch0 | I need some good sf, too |
| 12:59.48 | [Ammo] | hamilton is awesome |
| 13:00.26 | [Ammo] | one of the best space opera writers |
| 13:00.28 | mitch0 | all of their books? are there any links between the various trilogies? |
| 13:00.41 | mitch0 | or put another way: in what order should I get them? :) |
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| 13:02.55 | mitch0 | hm. banks has a new book, too |
| 13:03.14 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 13:03.30 | zenzio | mitch0: Night's Dawn is a separate trilogy; the Commonwealth Saga is two books which precedes the Void Trilogy |
| 13:03.34 | zenzio | (all Hamilton) |
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| 13:03.55 | alestane | Might have to check those out. Night's Dawn was seriously powerful. |
| 13:04.18 | mitch0 | zenzio: thanks |
| 13:04.20 | zenzio | there seems to be quite divided opinions about it, especially the end. Personally I loved it |
| 13:05.59 | mitch0 | wtf, /. returned 503... the world's ending |
| 13:06.08 | zenzio | [Ammo]: you're partly right about the Evolutionary Void; apparently amazon.de shipped a batch on 13th August |
| 13:06.14 | foxlit | real /., or their rss server? |
| 13:06.20 | mitch0 | the real one |
| 13:06.22 | mitch0 | but it's over now |
| 13:06.35 | mitch0 | all is well :) |
| 13:06.45 | foxlit | productivity returns to zero? |
| 13:06.48 | mitch0 | indeed |
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| 13:10.53 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhcOWmjSBlg&feature=related |
| 13:11.08 | Wobin | He's... actually a good singer =P |
| 13:14.10 | mitch0 | erm, no |
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| 13:19.02 | alestane | Not rated for more than four pounds: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/31/funny-pictures-video-kitteh-falls-in-hamper/ |
| 13:21.29 | Wobin | mitch0: he's better than 90% of the american idol contestants =P |
| 13:21.54 | mitch0 | doesn't make him "good" though ;) |
| 13:22.05 | Wobin | he's a decent one =) |
| 13:23.13 | Shirik | alestane |
| 13:23.25 | Shirik | every time I go to that site and read the comments, I want to murder someone |
| 13:23.39 | alestane | I never read the comments. |
| 13:23.49 | Lopeppeppy | Don't ever read the comments, Shirik! |
| 13:24.00 | Shirik | But they're like there |
| 13:24.12 | Shirik | it's like when you see some car accident |
| 13:24.16 | Shirik | and you know you're supposed to keep driving |
| 13:24.18 | Wobin | Shirik: I have a greasemonkey script to clean that page up |
| 13:24.18 | Shirik | but you have to look |
| 13:24.19 | Lopeppeppy | Peril sensitive sunglasses, baby |
| 13:24.24 | Shirik | ha |
| 13:26.56 | Fisker | bitches Shirik |
| 13:30.19 | Jerub | wooooo |
| 13:30.24 | foxlit | "Kill five changelings in a League game" |
| 13:30.25 | Jerub | finally got a spellpower trinket |
| 13:30.29 | foxlit | How the heck am I supposed to do that? |
| 13:31.34 | Fisker | bitches Jerub |
| 13:31.37 | Fisker | possibly foxlit |
| 13:32.01 | foxlit | Fisker, come play coop 3v3 versus medium AI. |
| 13:32.05 | Maldivia | foxlit: kill your own units ? |
| 13:32.12 | foxlit | Maldivia: somehow I doubt that'd count |
| 13:32.22 | Maldivia | does it say enemy changelings ? |
| 13:32.28 | foxlit | But I just rolled Zerg. |
| 13:32.45 | foxlit | So we'll find out |
| 13:32.54 | foxlit | It doesn't say enemy changelings |
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| 13:33.47 | Maldivia | :) |
| 13:34.03 | foxlit | But does it mean enemy changelings? :) |
| 13:34.14 | Maldivia | one way to find out |
| 13:37.11 | Fisker | i can't Fogger |
| 13:37.12 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 13:38.18 | Thunder_Child | "ICPC NIGERIA (Anti-Fraud Unit) <info@icpc.nig.org>" seems legit to me :p |
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| 13:40.48 | Ackis | fuck me it's early |
| 13:40.48 | foxlit | Does not count |
| 13:40.53 | Maldivia | :) |
| 13:41.14 | Maldivia | Ackis: so you prefer it in the morning ? |
| 13:41.48 | Ackis | morning, afternoon and evenings |
| 13:44.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Ackis is male. |
| 13:44.58 | Maldivia | and apparently a demanding one... |
| 13:45.20 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQf7QTlyJac |
| 13:45.22 | Ackis | rawr |
| 13:45.34 | Lopeppeppy | Demand all you want, if there's no supply |
| 13:45.48 | Thunder_Child | there never is for Ackis |
| 13:48.35 | Wobin | mikma: rofl |
| 13:52.14 | Ackis | http://twitpic.com/2jyg76 |
| 13:52.31 | Wobin | thank god I don't have sympathy vomit =P |
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| 13:53.30 | mitch0 | it's probly another bloody cat |
| 13:54.29 | Ackis | that pic is of Halo Reach |
| 13:54.39 | mitch0 | yeah, with a kitten for sure |
| 13:54.54 | mitch0 | I don't trust the links you guys paste in here. all of them have cats |
| 13:55.49 | Ackis | you saying you don't like pussy? |
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| 13:56.19 | Wobin | hey now |
| 13:56.26 | Ackis | ~rimshot |
| 13:56.26 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 13:56.35 | Wobin | Ackis' posts are -just- as likely to have pomeranian in it |
| 13:56.59 | Ackis | pom's or kitties |
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| 14:01.53 | Wobin | http://epicadvice.com/questions/7514/how-do-you-get-your-character-the-largest-visual-size-possible |
| 14:01.56 | Wobin | haha I like it |
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| 14:05.37 | batrick | slashdot is down how am i supposed to waste the first hour of my day :( |
| 14:07.40 | mitch0 | try again. it's just a bit flaky |
| 14:08.27 | Thunder_Child | batrick: procrasturbate |
| 14:08.49 | foxlit | batrick: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/starcraft-2 |
| 14:08.52 | batrick | ya uh, not in the office |
| 14:09.06 | ckknight | give me feedback on http://www.wowace.com/addons/liblinq-1-0/ , batrick |
| 14:09.13 | batrick | i dont play wow |
| 14:09.26 | batrick | =( |
| 14:09.47 | foxlit | ckknight: I... urgh... no. |
| 14:09.58 | mitch0 | batrick: that thing is not wow related :) |
| 14:10.03 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 14:10.08 | ckknight | yea, it's a development thing |
| 14:10.09 | Fisker | do you enjoy paying moar for xbox live? |
| 14:10.13 | Fisker | btw ckknight |
| 14:10.17 | ckknight | foxlit: hmm? |
| 14:10.19 | Fisker | does curse client still use ms html for ads? |
| 14:10.21 | Fisker | i'm not foxlit |
| 14:10.27 | ckknight | probably, Fisker |
| 14:12.19 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://ifshoescouldkill.com/2010/08/07/crazy-shoes-centaur-fantasies/ |
| 14:13.34 | foxlit | ckknight: I'm not sure why you'd want to use that. |
| 14:13.48 | ckknight | in order to have a functional API for dealin with collections |
| 14:14.01 | foxlit | There are no collections in the language, though. |
| 14:14.01 | ckknight | also, there's a whole bunch of helper methods that wouldn't be easily available |
| 14:14.18 | ckknight | um, tables |
| 14:14.29 | foxlit | You don't need a functional API to deal with tables, though. |
| 14:14.38 | ckknight | in some cases, it makes things a lot easier |
| 14:15.06 | ckknight | for example, joining two tables together based on a common key that the elements share |
| 14:15.36 | ckknight | or running an aggregation method over a table |
| 14:15.43 | ckknight | or handling nils without a lot of pain |
| 14:16.14 | ckknight | or filtering a table down |
| 14:16.45 | ckknight | or sorting by a complex key or multiple keys or if you want to keep a relative sort order |
| 14:17.09 | nicoli_s | ckknight has just been spoiled with linq |
| 14:17.13 | foxlit | No bells ringing, sorry. |
| 14:17.13 | nicoli_s | he wants his linq to lua\ |
| 14:17.22 | ckknight | nicoli_s: http://www.wowace.com/addons/liblinq-1-0/ |
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| 14:17.49 | nicoli_s | ahh nice, figured youd get arond to that eventually |
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| 14:23.22 | batrick | wrt Starcraft 2, what does it mean when they say "Pool at 10 or so" |
| 14:23.34 | batrick | or similar, "on 6 or 7" |
| 14:23.44 | batrick | is that drone count? |
| 14:23.48 | foxlit | supply |
| 14:24.00 | foxlit | but at those numbers, the two are the same |
| 14:24.06 | batrick | oh, i see |
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| 14:24.08 | batrick | thanks! |
| 14:24.14 | nicoli_s | batrick:yeah thats supply when they make their spawning pool |
| 14:24.41 | nicoli_s | which oos confusing cuz sometimes the number in front of the building is the count (4 gate) and sometimes its the supply count (10 pool) |
| 14:25.15 | batrick | ya no shit |
| 14:25.24 | batrick | i'm straining to figure out what all this slang means |
| 14:25.35 | batrick | took me a while to figure out what FE was |
| 14:25.40 | foxlit | Why are you looking at slang, anyhow? :) |
| 14:25.48 | nicoli_s | whats FE? |
| 14:25.52 | batrick | fast expansion |
| 14:25.58 | batrick | see? :( |
| 14:28.44 | nicoli_s | yeah i wouldnt have gotten that one |
| 14:30.30 | batrick | i just recently figured out that a spore crawler has detection |
| 14:30.34 | batrick | i'm such a newb |
| 14:33.21 | Lopeppeppy | Why... why do sheeple insist on doing things they can't do, and then complaining that it doesn't work right? /wrists |
| 14:33.52 | Wobin | http://www.fukung.net/v/30864/2816e4a6a4de90dc99525e08500b2fae.jpg |
| 14:33.53 | batrick | passes Lopeppeppy some bandages. |
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| 14:35.19 | Lopeppeppy | Some guy buys me a drink? I'm not drinking it! *laugh* |
| 14:37.23 | zenzelezz | puts aside the Cola |
| 14:42.27 | Lopeppeppy | If it doesn't have rum, I'm not even sniffing... :P |
| 14:42.44 | zenzelezz | I can add some Captain Morgans to the Cola |
| 14:42.53 | zenzelezz | it's what I usually do |
| 14:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | Morgans. I miss it. |
| 14:44.23 | nicoli_s | Wobin:TLDR, but i tried |
| 14:45.52 | Ackis | who here is going to PAX? |
| 14:46.26 | nicoli_s | i wish, im not going there or blizzcon anymore |
| 14:46.41 | alestane | I'm lucky if I can manage one west-coast convention in a year...can't go to PAX Prime when they obligingly brought it out here for me. |
| 14:46.45 | zenzelezz | why not nicoli_s? |
| 14:47.01 | nicoli_s | zenzelezz:just too much money, ive gone on 2 work trips already this year but none with my GF |
| 14:47.39 | nicoli_s | i cant spend 500+ bucks on myself when ive already gone to vegas twice this year and left her at home |
| 14:47.43 | Wobin | oh I misread you saying "I wish I'm not going there or blizzcon anymore" |
| 14:48.19 | Lopeppeppy | Ever-ever. |
| 14:48.46 | nicoli_s | ill probably aim to go next year |
| 14:48.57 | Ackis | nicoli_s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfvlBmc_9Q4 |
| 14:49.25 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 14:49.36 | nicoli_s | im finally getting kitty chesney fixed wed |
| 14:49.58 | Ackis | yay |
| 14:50.10 | batrick | foxlit: use an infester on enemy overseer |
| 14:50.20 | batrick | oh I was scrolled up |
| 14:50.21 | nicoli_s | now i just gotta hope chrisha's parents done try and force me to take home my gimp kitty |
| 14:50.28 | batrick | but wrt killing 5 changelings |
| 14:50.53 | foxlit | batrick: wouldn't the spawned changeling belong to me? |
| 14:50.57 | batrick | iono |
| 14:51.00 | batrick | maybe? lol! |
| 14:51.40 | batrick | you could spawn the changelings and then release control |
| 14:51.42 | batrick | maybe that'd work |
| 14:51.43 | batrick | who knows |
| 14:51.59 | batrick | but you could try it after your opponent leaves without interruption probably |
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| 14:53.50 | foxlit | That seems worse |
| 14:53.59 | foxlit | Since their units will be neutral once he leaves. |
| 14:54.17 | batrick | i dunno just throwing ideas out there |
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| 14:54.43 | foxlit | Wonder if AI uses them |
| 14:54.58 | batrick | probably the insane modes do |
| 14:55.02 | batrick | but good luck beating those... |
| 14:55.25 | foxlit | Has to be a coop anyway |
| 14:55.47 | Wobin | http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/ |
| 14:55.50 | Wobin | run it in chrome |
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| 14:57.40 | nicoli_s | its sweet |
| 14:59.53 | nicoli_s | the part with the roosting of the crows was my favorite part |
| 15:00.16 | nicoli_s | and i do get to see myself in some of the images they provide which was really surreal |
| 15:01.48 | Ackis | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ontheplus3.png |
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| 15:05.03 | nicoli_s | man they could have been alot more brutal with that |
| 15:07.40 | Maldivia | Bibi ? |
| 15:07.41 | cog|sleep | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMupsZAPm9I |
| 15:09.10 | Wobin | cog|sleep: <3 |
| 15:10.38 | nicoli_s | thats pretty epic cog|work |
| 15:12.10 | foxlit | If this doesn't end in a baneling explosion |
| 15:12.15 | foxlit | I demand my 57 seconds back. |
| 15:12.43 | foxlit | aw :( |
| 15:12.57 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8toFV3KKs0&feature=related |
| 15:13.02 | Wobin | there you go, fox |
| 15:16.02 | cog|work | have you seen the spine crawler meatspin? |
| 15:16.21 | Wobin | the very title fills me with fear |
| 15:16.40 | ckknight | cog|work: link |
| 15:16.46 | cog|work | sec |
| 15:17.16 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwro3LlqDPE |
| 15:17.59 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDdTjZs3Vk watch from 10:52 |
| 15:18.35 | cog|work | or 11:10 |
| 15:19.12 | cog|work | the buildings are pretty funny too |
| 15:19.30 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDdTjZs3Vk#t=10m52s |
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| 15:39.09 | foxlit | There was a comedy video about the idea that putting "from the makers of shrek" before any product would sell it to everyone, but I just can't find it by googling for the quoted phrase :/ |
| 15:40.59 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 15:41.00 | Fisker | i am superior |
| 15:41.04 | nicoli_s | is it because of how many things advertise as "from the makers of shrek" ? |
| 15:41.05 | cog|work | no u |
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| 15:48.59 | Fisker | yes me cog|work |
| 15:49.10 | cog|work | slow fisker is slow |
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| 15:50.40 | Lopeppeppy | ... today is only Tuesday? |
| 15:50.41 | Lopeppeppy | Why? |
| 15:51.02 | nicoli_s | Lopeppeppy:because im taking vacation on thurs |
| 15:51.12 | nicoli_s | reality is punishing me, and you as an extension |
| 15:51.20 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: we should write a letter to congress |
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| 15:57.25 | Adys | Maldivia: pinglol |
| 15:58.14 | Maldivia | Adys: yeah ? |
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| 16:07.47 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:08.02 | cog|work | ohai |
| 16:08.27 | Lunessa | needs a vacation. |
| 16:08.30 | Adys | http://starcraft2.judgehype.com/index.php?page=commentaires&n=94291 |
| 16:08.32 | Adys | holy hell ^ |
| 16:08.48 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 16:08.49 | jnwhiteh | ridic. |
| 16:09.52 | alestane | In French, no less. |
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| 16:10.14 | cog|work | it was http://kotaku.com/5625758/playing-world-of-warcraft-in-starcraft-ii yesterday |
| 16:12.03 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.41 | nicoli_s | its cuz the galaxy editor is fucking awesome |
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| 16:14.38 | mikma | i need the bestest raiding unitframes ever |
| 16:14.47 | mikma | do i go with PerfectRaid ( /poke jnwhiteh ) |
| 16:16.31 | jnwhiteh | re-code them |
| 16:16.32 | jnwhiteh | and sure =) |
| 16:16.36 | jnwhiteh | then I'd use em |
| 16:16.38 | Fisker | http://failblog.org/2010/08/31/epic-fail-photos-google-decency-fail/ <-cool story cog|work |
| 16:17.02 | Fisker | i can be frenc too |
| 16:17.04 | Fisker | french |
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| 16:17.17 | mikma | jnwhiteh: does it need to be recoded? :) |
| 16:18.02 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
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| 16:19.03 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i would but i suck aat it |
| 16:21.02 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 16:24.08 | Ackis | http://www.wikihow.com/Delete-Yourself-from-the-Internet |
| 16:25.38 | nicoli_s | no dont leave us ackis! |
| 16:25.45 | nicoli_s | i saw you online playing yer sexbox |
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| 16:27.12 | nicoli_s | also youd be screwed if you tried to delete yourself, irc logs last forever and thats got enough dirt on you for ife |
| 16:27.34 | Ackis | yeah I know |
| 16:27.37 | Ackis | I'm hooped |
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| 16:27.57 | Ackis | 10 years from now when I'm president of the world people will be "man that dude is nuts, but he likes cats & poms" |
| 16:28.10 | Ackis | then I'll just have them and their families killed |
| 16:28.15 | nicoli_s | poms?hooped? crazy canucks |
| 16:29.32 | ckknight | it's a good thing I don't use my real name on the internet |
| 16:29.48 | nicoli_s | yeah cameron kenneth knight thats a good thing |
| 16:30.02 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 16:30.09 | Fisker | do you like paying moar for xbox live? |
| 16:30.34 | Ackis | Fisker: do you like getting less with PSP whatever it's called? |
| 16:30.42 | nicoli_s | haha |
| 16:30.46 | Fisker | PSN |
| 16:30.46 | nicoli_s | psps do blow |
| 16:31.04 | Fisker | i'm not getting less anyway |
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| 16:35.06 | Ackis | hah it took 10 pages for google to show this: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/20091015.html.gz |
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| 16:43.24 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 16:43.33 | Fisker | How much do you pay for xbox live? |
| 16:46.45 | Lunessa | poms - aren't they the puntable little yappie dogs with long hair? |
| 16:48.54 | nicoli_s | ahh pomeranians |
| 16:49.12 | cog|work | they aren't so puntable, 'cause they're so fluffy. Not only does the fur absorb the impact from your foot, but it also acts as drag while it flies through the air |
| 16:49.17 | Dagmar | Only cute when cut like a little bear |
| 16:49.28 | cog|work | s/acts as/causes |
| 16:50.15 | Ackis | when they're wet, they look like rats :D |
| 16:50.28 | Ackis | "My wife is an angel" "You're lucky, mine is still alive!" |
| 16:50.42 | Lunessa | cog|work: but it does cause them to absorb large quantities of or your chemical fuel of choice... |
| 16:50.44 | nicoli_s | haha thats cheesy |
| 16:51.13 | cog|work | Ackis: reminds me of http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/627973469#17 |
| 16:51.16 | cog|work | ;) |
| 16:51.42 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 16:52.04 | foxlit | meh. |
| 16:52.09 | foxlit | not one poster with 2k+ achievement points |
| 16:52.16 | foxlit | </elitism> |
| 16:52.33 | cog|work | XD |
| 16:52.46 | Fisker | vnrock does |
| 16:52.47 | Fisker | btw cog|work |
| 16:52.49 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 16:54.00 | cog|work | always deck on boot |
| 16:55.31 | Dagmar | Why would you bet on Duke? |
| 16:55.32 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/08/google-buys-socialdeck.html |
| 16:55.35 | Dagmar | It's not like he's even running anymore. |
| 16:55.36 | Adys | (called it.) |
| 16:55.49 | Ackis | foxlit: I have 2k achievement points! |
| 16:56.06 | foxlit | Ackis: well done. |
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| 16:56.25 | Ackis | I think I have over 7k actually |
| 16:56.29 | Ackis | flexes. |
| 16:56.44 | Ackis | of course I have very few PVP or raiding ones :D |
| 16:58.49 | cog|work | thinks Ackis and foxlit are talking cross-games... |
| 16:58.57 | Ackis | oh |
| 16:59.09 | Ackis | NO U |
| 16:59.19 | cog|work | zomg global warming! |
| 16:59.22 | cog|work | :P |
| 16:59.32 | Ackis | yeah it's a myth |
| 16:59.35 | Ackis | like the g-spot |
| 16:59.40 | cog|work | Myth 2: soulblighter |
| 17:00.31 | Dagmar | Adys: WHat I don't get is why so many reporters are too stupid to see what's going on |
| 17:00.45 | Adys | how so? |
| 17:00.54 | Dagmar | Google's doing what my old band director talked about. |
| 17:01.15 | Adys | was steve jobs your old band director? |
| 17:01.22 | Adys | otherwise ive still no idea what you're talking about |
| 17:01.24 | Dagmar | I keep seeing articles along the lines of "Oh! Google's going after Skype because they've got voice now!" |
| 17:01.30 | Dagmar | ...which is patently wrong and more than a little stupid. |
| 17:01.48 | Dagmar | Or, "Oh! Google's going after Facebook because they're doing social stuff!" |
| 17:01.51 | Dagmar | Also wrong. |
| 17:02.02 | Adys | google's going into social because there's money to be made |
| 17:02.12 | Adys | i dont think they have a grudge on failbook |
| 17:02.16 | Dagmar | Google's not worrying about what other companies are doing. Google is competing only with itself. |
| 17:02.42 | Ackis | Dagmar: is that like masterbating? |
| 17:02.59 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 17:03.33 | Adys | Alright |
| 17:03.35 | Adys | Im tired of this |
| 17:03.49 | Dagmar | If you don't worry about what the other guys are doing, and just focus on doing better than you did before, you don't get stressed out and tangled up in whatever little games the other guy is trying to play. |
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| 17:04.08 | Adys | I need an app that provides me with the commands "pull", "push", "commit", "log" and "diff" |
| 17:04.10 | Dagmar | If you're only in competition with yourself and do better than you did before, you always win |
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| 17:04.25 | Adys | and that detects whether Im in an hg or git repository |
| 17:04.40 | Dagmar | How does it know which one you're in |
| 17:04.55 | Adys | by detecting .git in any of the parent dirs |
| 17:04.59 | Adys | or .hg |
| 17:05.09 | Dagmar | So you're not starting new projects with it then |
| 17:05.14 | Adys | nop |
| 17:05.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | i use hg + hg-git |
| 17:05.41 | Adys | sylvanaar_atwork: hg-git requires me to type 150 hg commands on each pull/push which defeats the point |
| 17:05.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | i use TortoiseHg |
| 17:06.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | its completely transparent to me |
| 17:06.12 | Adys | <- on linux |
| 17:06.44 | Dagmar | Write some shell scripts |
| 17:06.52 | cog|work | so i finally watched Avatar a week or 2 ago... Anyone else notice some of the human machines looked like SC2 units? Esp. goliath and banshees... |
| 17:06.57 | Dagmar | It's the sort of thing they're meant for |
| 17:07.44 | Adys | Dagmar: yeah i figured there must be some lying around already |
| 17:08.01 | Adys | cog|work: sc2 wasnt released at the time but it did make me think of sc |
| 17:09.21 | Dagmar | Adys: This guy writing Googlesystem seems to be more clued than most |
| 17:09.44 | cog|work | http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/10/Avatar_ships-thumb-550x309-25072.jpg |
| 17:09.45 | Adys | Dagmar: he is, although he copies most articles from blogoscoped |
| 17:09.49 | cog|work | http://sc2armory.com/game/terran/units/banshee |
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| 17:10.44 | Dagmar | Adys: I don't see any of the usual "Google is getting into other markets" madness on there |
| 17:10.57 | Adys | yeah no he's not a complete moron |
| 17:11.07 | Adys | not all the time anyway |
| 17:11.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh nice new TortoiseHg |
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| 17:52.55 | foxlit | The tankspot video intro is like "Boobs! Boobs! TankSpot!" |
| 17:53.18 | zenzelezz | that's our Battle Shout |
| 17:53.26 | zenzelezz | we charge into the fray shouting "Boobs!" |
| 17:53.52 | Lunessa | It is days like today that I realize that so much of the music I want to listen to has lyrics which are NSFW. /facepalm |
| 17:54.20 | zenzelezz | headphones? |
| 17:58.12 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Lunessa. That's why radio stations are better. |
| 17:58.49 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I fired up iTunes on Random and Buckcherry was the first band. |
| 17:59.25 | Lopeppeppy | "My Ding a Ling". You need this song. |
| 17:59.32 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: LULZ |
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| 17:59.38 | cog|work | i've been singing along to Guns 'n Roses since i was 10. |
| 17:59.59 | cog|work | talk about NSFW... |
| 18:00.42 | Lunessa | cog|work: Yeah, but 'Crazy Bitch' ... |
| 18:00.48 | cog|work | http://www.lyrics007.com/Guns%20N'%20Roses%20Lyrics/Get%20In%20The%20Ring%20Lyrics.html |
| 18:00.50 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a bitch, I'm a tease... |
| 18:00.50 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 18:00.55 | Fisker | getting a new xbox controller? |
| 18:00.56 | cog|work | (obviously NSFW) |
| 18:01.48 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: How YOU doin'? What's your name girl? You free later? *salacious eyebrow waggle* |
| 18:02.00 | cog|work | somehow we ended up with the radio edit of she fuckin' hates me... |
| 18:02.08 | Lopeppeppy | What's your momma's name, child, what's your momma's name? |
| 18:02.14 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 18:02.19 | Lunessa | cog|work: Puddle of Mudd rocks. |
| 18:02.20 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy and cog|work |
| 18:02.27 | Fisker | is ackis getting a new xbox controller? |
| 18:02.59 | Lopeppeppy | Not from me. |
| 18:03.33 | Fisker | you are a bad person cog|work |
| 18:03.42 | Lopeppeppy | But he has an awesome hat |
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| 18:03.54 | Fisker | i don't have my hat :( |
| 18:04.02 | cog|work | i have 2 awesome hats imo |
| 18:04.08 | Fisker | Team 17 and Vlave stole it |
| 18:04.09 | Fisker | Valve* |
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| 18:05.00 | Fisker | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=26560539886 <-yeeeeeeees DIE DIE DIE |
| 18:05.51 | Lunessa | A man should own a good hat. He should wear it with a panache and style. He should be able to hold his liquor and make every woman in the room feel special. All it takes guys, is a good hat. |
| 18:06.11 | Fisker | do you agree Lunessa ? |
| 18:07.01 | Fisker | Lunessa is a jerk |
| 18:07.22 | cog|work | my hats: http://www.hannahats.com/caps-page-0-5900.html http://www.jinx.com/world_of_warcraft/hats/quest_giver.html |
| 18:07.25 | Lunessa | Naturally I'm a jerk. But I'm a jerk with a great hat who can hold his liquor. |
| 18:07.32 | Lopeppeppy | "Inside the old man's ragged coat, they found a faded letter. It said, 'You have a daughter, and her eyes are Wilson green.' " |
| 18:07.53 | Fisker | agree with me Lunessa |
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| 18:11.05 | Fisker | prepare to be boarded |
| 18:12.05 | Lunessa | Fisker: The dropping of the PPC-based macs comes as no surprise. |
| 18:12.40 | olafski | < Fisker> getting a new xbox controller? <-- 2 for me :) |
| 18:14.05 | Fisker | now they just need to drop x86 and x86-64-based macs |
| 18:16.43 | olafski | :D |
| 18:18.14 | Lunessa | Fisker: No love for Hackintosh users? |
| 18:18.33 | Fisker | none at all |
| 18:19.26 | olafski | a mac user ran over his father |
| 18:19.48 | nicoli_s | what is a hackintosh? |
| 18:19.53 | Fisker | lol |
| 18:19.55 | Fisker | LOL |
| 18:19.57 | Fisker | LOOOOOOOOL |
| 18:20.00 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26560850997/are-authenticator-s-actually-bad |
| 18:20.07 | Fisker | "Unfortunately, there are some sophisticated forms of malware that can actually "see" what's saved to your computer's clipboard" |
| 18:20.12 | Fisker | Sophisticated? |
| 18:20.23 | Fisker | Maybe in the same way how a wheel is sophisticated |
| 18:21.06 | Fisker | Do they even bother keylogging anymore? |
| 18:21.13 | Fisker | Why not just read the password in the memory? |
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| 18:25.02 | olafski | I completed dante's inferno fisker |
| 18:25.05 | olafski | I hope you're proud of yourself |
| 18:25.38 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: Hackitosh was a project to get Mac OSX running on non-apple hardware. |
| 18:26.04 | Fisker | Lunessa mac's already run on non-apple hardware |
| 18:26.45 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: http://www.hackintosh.com/ |
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| 18:28.49 | Adys | Dagmar: http://github.com/Adys/univcs/blob/master/__init__.py |
| 18:28.55 | Adys | 40 mins looking for one, 10 mins to code one |
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| 18:30.43 | nicoli_s | Adys: do it again, but half as many lines |
| 18:30.54 | Adys | fu |
| 18:30.54 | Adys | :( |
| 18:31.19 | Adys | nicoli_s: I'd do it in java, but there would be more dots than lines in total in the file |
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| 18:31.36 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 18:31.40 | nicoli_s | dots FTW! |
| 18:32.03 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 18:32.04 | Fisker | i dots u |
| 18:32.05 | ckknight | more dots! |
| 18:32.07 | Adys | I heard the guy from Zero Punctuation doesn't like java. |
| 18:32.13 | rocode | He codes? |
| 18:32.17 | Fisker | i hate java |
| 18:32.21 | Fisker | who doesn't? |
| 18:32.23 | Dewin | I love Java. |
| 18:32.28 | Dewin | Oh, wait, the programming language? Screw thaqt. |
| 18:32.56 | ckknight | lol. |
| 18:32.59 | Adys | Dewin: I hated you for a 4-second timespan |
| 18:33.00 | cog|work | Dewin: don't screw it. you might get a disease |
| 18:33.27 | Dewin | cog|work: At least I don't need to worry about it missing a period? |
| 18:33.42 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 18:35.15 | cog|work | Dewin: yeah, one less disease to worry about ;) |
| 18:35.53 | rocode | Noobish addon coder here, my guild recently started getting interested in WoWRoster, so I setup a basic install which eventually expanded into WoWRoster + UniAdmin + UniUploader + Guild/CharacterProfiler, which led me to having to hot patch the latter addons to fix the lua call errors. Before this, we were using Altoholic with datasharing, but we wanted website intergration/stats and searching. Is there a better method of doing this? Because |
| 18:35.53 | rocode | the afformentioned setup is kinda taxing. |
| 18:36.29 | Lopeppeppy | What does your site host recommend? Are you using one of the fansites, or an independent site? |
| 18:36.48 | rocode | We have our own box. |
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| 18:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. Guildportal had site specific things, back in the day. That's why I went with them. |
| 18:37.37 | Lopeppeppy | Because re-inventing a wheel wasn't fun for me back then. :) |
| 18:37.47 | rocode | Well, we are a pretty large gaming community, we try to keep everything in-house for hosting. |
| 18:38.51 | rocode | The amount of coding I forsee ahead of me to bring WoWRoster + Guild/CharacterProfiler up to date is daunting. I thought I would drop by here to see if there was a better method. |
| 18:39.36 | Lunessa | And when cataclysm drops, and you have to do it all over again... |
| 18:39.55 | rocode | Well, I have Cata Beta, so I anticipate getting the fixes done before release. |
| 18:40.24 | Lunessa | rocode: Usually, I suggest people pull data from Armory instead of trying to get it all from the game client. |
| 18:40.28 | rocode | Yea. I thought about hooking off of DataStore and rebuilding the web end to store the uploaded information into the database. |
| 18:40.42 | rocode | Lunessa: We have 2000 characters. |
| 18:40.58 | Lunessa | rocode: Still, Armory would probably be easier. |
| 18:41.19 | rocode | Hrm. How bad is the attack rate for the armory? |
| 18:41.20 | nevcairiel | not manually, mind you. There are armory scrapers around |
| 18:41.31 | Dewin | rocode: If it's PHP, I have an armory scraper you can borrow. |
| 18:41.40 | Lunessa | Then your users don't have to install anything and you can get data updated pretty quickly. |
| 18:41.48 | rocode | As I said, I am completely new to the WoW addon scene, so I am a fish out of water for prior knowledge. |
| 18:42.08 | Dewin | The one catch is you need to throttle Armory access or else it'll temp ban your IP. |
| 18:42.19 | Dewin | But my code already takes that into account. |
| 18:42.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, getting data from the Armory is better than getting all of your players to install an addon, keep it running, update it in a timely manner... |
| 18:42.47 | rocode | Hrm. Does the armory have an API for authenticating your scraper to get guild vault information? |
| 18:42.57 | DWSR | no |
| 18:43.02 | DWSR | On purpose, I might add |
| 18:43.04 | nicoli_s | youd have to get that through an addon |
| 18:43.38 | DWSR | Yep |
| 18:43.44 | DWSR | Hooking DataStore would be nice. |
| 18:44.06 | DWSR | btw, I've used WoWRoster before. It's a good system. :) Would love to see a Drupal 6/7 integration. |
| 18:44.12 | rocode | The only issue is, I am very hesitant about UniUploader/Admin |
| 18:44.15 | Thaoky | There are scripts in DataStore to export DB content to xml, if that helps |
| 18:44.47 | rocode | I am assuming we can't do file operations outside of our addon sandbox? |
| 18:44.57 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Sandbox is closed. |
| 18:45.10 | DWSR | rocode: Correct. |
| 18:45.20 | DWSR | In fact, you can't do file operations period. |
| 18:46.12 | rocode | Hrm. So I would still need an external application to pass the xml file. |
| 18:46.53 | Thaoky | Yes indeed, I wrote the XML export to have a somewhat standard format that people could use, what comes next is up to you :) |
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| 18:48.22 | TC-Work | ~blorb |
| 18:48.22 | purl | ACTION blorbs |
| 18:50.30 | rocode | So, I guess I could do a hybrid approach of pulling from Armory on a 24 hour cycle, with direct addon uploads overriding that data. Does DataStore have timestamps for when data was last updated? |
| 18:50.44 | Thaoky | yes |
| 18:51.16 | Thaoky | per character, in all modules. I actually needed them to avoid resending data when sharing accounts |
| 18:51.47 | Thaoky | the field is called .lastUpdate iirc |
| 18:55.48 | Fisker | http://kotaku.com/5626211/blizzard-hiring-strongmen-needed <-poor linux guys |
| 18:55.58 | Fisker | those 30kg is probably the equilivant of some manual |
| 18:56.18 | NightHawkTheSane | shakes his fist at chrome |
| 18:56.55 | Fisker | drops NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:58.02 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 18:58.08 | Fisker | are you TAP? |
| 18:58.14 | Fisker | because i'd like to tap it |
| 18:58.39 | Lunessa | Fisker: That language is in nearly every job description document in the US. Your employer has to be sure that they'll be in compliance with law if they ask you to carry manuals, a monitor, etc. |
| 18:58.40 | cog|work | taps Fisker on the head with a small nuke |
| 18:59.06 | Fisker | you don't blow up a nuke that way anyway |
| 18:59.14 | alestane | Shifting server hardware, most likely, Fisker. |
| 18:59.31 | rocode | I consider moving servers as apart of my health plan. |
| 18:59.36 | alestane | Industrial UPSs and the like add up to significant weight quickly. |
| 18:59.38 | Fisker | that's not his responsibility |
| 18:59.49 | Fisker | UPSs aren't 30kg |
| 18:59.54 | Fisker | maybe if it's an ups for a laptop |
| 18:59.55 | Fisker | bam |
| 19:00.06 | Lopeppeppy | Unloading boxes of CE's when they arrive! |
| 19:00.12 | Lopeppeppy | Helping set up folding chairs on the lawn. |
| 19:00.21 | Lopeppeppy | OSHA CYA language. *shrug* |
| 19:00.25 | NightHawkTheSane | carrying the supplies to GC's yaght |
| 19:00.31 | NightHawkTheSane | (sp) |
| 19:00.36 | rocode | Nerd Workout 3.0! Get RIPPLED! |
| 19:00.40 | Lopeppeppy | yacht |
| 19:00.43 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks |
| 19:00.47 | NightHawkTheSane | that word constantly eludes me |
| 19:00.50 | DWSR | btw. |
| 19:00.52 | Fisker | in 2 weeks rocode ? |
| 19:00.54 | Fisker | otherwise i won't do it |
| 19:00.55 | DWSR | yaght(sp?) |
| 19:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | Rippled chips are better anyway, rocode |
| 19:00.55 | batbot | DWSR, yacht. |
| 19:01.00 | Fisker | oh |
| 19:01.02 | Fisker | rippled |
| 19:01.03 | DWSR | NHTS: Babtbot has auto-correct. |
| 19:01.05 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: yeah, i know, i just forgot to do it inline |
| 19:01.06 | Fisker | I WANT TO GET RIPPED IN 2 WEEKS |
| 19:01.08 | DWSR | :P |
| 19:01.18 | rocode | RIPPLED IS CLOSE ENOUGH! |
| 19:01.19 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I can rip you with a garden rake, will that do? |
| 19:01.21 | ckknight | Fisker: steroids! |
| 19:01.32 | Fisker | can i do both? |
| 19:01.41 | ckknight | ...yes |
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| 19:01.59 | Fisker | at the same time? |
| 19:02.09 | olafski | how much does an UPS weigh then? |
| 19:02.20 | olafski | I tried carrying one down a couple of flights of stairs once |
| 19:02.24 | Fisker | fuckton |
| 19:02.24 | rocode | Depends on the time of day and how long you have been working. |
| 19:02.44 | Legorol | depends on the device, surely.. |
| 19:02.45 | Fisker | technically speaking you could get a UPS at 30kg |
| 19:02.49 | Legorol | my mobile phone has a UPS :P |
| 19:03.03 | olafski | couldn't do it, I moved it for about 10 meters :< housemate estimated it was about 75kg, but that thing was ancient so maybe it's lighter nowadays |
| 19:03.08 | rocode | A "battery" you say? Amazing! |
| 19:03.20 | Legorol | that's what a UPS is, isn't it? |
| 19:03.27 | Fisker | but for that kind of hardware Blizzard commands i doubt their UPS can be transported by any human etc. |
| 19:03.44 | DWSR | http://kotaku.com/5626526/microsoft-reveals-new-360-controller-with-transforming-d+pad?skyline=true&s=i |
| 19:03.49 | rocode | Considering my server goes down with the reason "Loose fan", I doubt they have high standards. |
| 19:03.50 | DWSR | TRANSFORMERS, MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE |
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| 19:04.37 | olafski | rocode: :) |
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| 19:06.52 | Lopeppeppy | They have standards, they just also have server ferrets that chew on fans. |
| 19:07.35 | Ackis | there's only 115 Days, 10 Hours, 28 Minutes & 36 seconds till Christmas |
| 19:07.39 | Ackis | I love twitter |
| 19:07.45 | DWSR | Blame the Gremlins. |
| 19:07.47 | DWSR | Ackis: ? |
| 19:08.00 | Fisker | i hate Ackis |
| 19:08.18 | olafski | hi ackis!!!one |
| 19:08.29 | Ackis | I hate Fisker |
| 19:08.36 | rocode | I hate vans. |
| 19:08.39 | olafski | I heard you need a new motto |
| 19:08.59 | olafski | how about "When the man comes around." |
| 19:09.40 | Lopeppeppy | How about, "You can't eat just one." |
| 19:09.45 | Ackis | why do I need a new motto? What's a motto with you? |
| 19:09.46 | Ackis | hahah |
| 19:09.49 | Ackis | Lion King joke |
| 19:09.52 | Ackis | still funny |
| 19:10.03 | olafski | oO |
| 19:10.17 | rocode | Pumba? |
| 19:10.25 | rocode | Vague memories. |
| 19:10.29 | Ackis | Timone |
| 19:10.33 | Ackis | to Simba |
| 19:10.43 | olafski | no seriously ackis |
| 19:10.47 | olafski | this motto sounds great |
| 19:10.52 | olafski | you should try it, see how it looks |
| 19:10.55 | ckknight | it took me so long to realize that The Lion King was the same thing as Hamlet |
| 19:11.03 | olafski | they even made a song to go with it |
| 19:11.14 | rocode | BladeRunner is a total ripoff of New York Minute. |
| 19:14.12 | Ackis | haven't watched either of those movies :D |
| 19:14.36 | rocode | It's a joke about plot carrying over time. |
| 19:14.44 | alestane | Avatar is not Pocahontas. |
| 19:14.48 | ckknight | Ackis: ...Hamlet? |
| 19:14.49 | alestane | It's actually Tarzan. |
| 19:14.56 | ckknight | Ackis: Hamlet is a Shakespeare play, not a movie |
| 19:15.11 | ckknight | alestane: are you saying that Tarzan was macking on those ape women? |
| 19:15.22 | rocode | ckknight, a movie is just a recorded play. |
| 19:15.32 | Ackis | ~lart ckknight |
| 19:15.32 | purl | installs a bad bootloader on ckknight and turns ckknight into a brick |
| 19:15.37 | olafski | hamlet is like old |
| 19:15.39 | ckknight | what? |
| 19:15.55 | olafski | bladerunner too btw |
| 19:16.02 | Ackis | I was referring to blade runner and new york minute |
| 19:16.14 | alestane | No, but only because the hero in Avatar corresponds more closely to Jane than to Tarzan. |
| 19:16.19 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:17.34 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:17.36 | rocode | Thaoky, any documentation on the DS xml stuff? I can't find where your export function resides. |
| 19:17.39 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:17.41 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:17.50 | rocode | Dumbledore! |
| 19:17.51 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:17.53 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:17.54 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:17.56 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:17.57 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:17.58 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:17.59 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:18.00 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:18.02 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:18.02 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:18.03 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:18.04 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:18.05 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:18.06 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:18.07 | Fisker | TC-Work |
| 19:18.07 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:18.10 | Fisker | :O |
| 19:18.10 | TC-Work | Fisker |
| 19:18.12 | DWSR | http://kotaku.com/5625846/building-the-perfect-kill-house-with-video-games?skyline=true&s=i |
| 19:18.19 | TC-Work | i know, EDI is failing |
| 19:18.20 | Ackis | remember when that bot would ban you after saying something 3x in a row that was the same, and fisker got muted? |
| 19:18.22 | Fisker | imma afk |
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| 19:18.30 | Fisker | yeah Shirik just gave up |
| 19:18.30 | TC-Work | Ackis: i know, the good old days |
| 19:18.31 | Thaoky | rocode: in DataStore\Export\ExportToXML.lua |
| 19:18.37 | Fisker | because " " > his bot |
| 19:20.05 | DWSR | http://kotaku.com/5625846/building-the-perfect-kill-house-with-video-games?skyline=true&s=i <-- read the bottom comment. |
| 19:20.07 | DWSR | Shit made my LOL |
| 19:20.13 | DWSR | s/my/me/ |
| 19:20.53 | rocode | Thaoky: Thanks. |
| 19:21.02 | DWSR | s/my/me/ |
| 19:21.08 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 19:21.14 | DWSR | I thought it might give me s/me/me/ |
| 19:21.21 | Thaoky | rocode: you're welcome, pm/mail me if you have questions |
| 19:22.09 | alestane | I can't blame the waiter, Lunessa: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-20148.html |
| 19:23.47 | foxlit | http://www.crvd.com/order.php << ! |
| 19:24.23 | DWSR | Seen reviews. |
| 19:24.26 | DWSR | Not that graet. |
| 19:24.28 | DWSR | great* |
| 19:24.51 | foxlit | Native resolution: 2880 by 900 pixels - Double WXGA+ |
| 19:24.59 | foxlit | 900 seems kind of weak |
| 19:25.04 | DWSR | yes. |
| 19:26.25 | zenzelezz | very wide |
| 19:26.48 | foxlit | I wonder if games adjust FoV for that |
| 19:26.52 | Fisker | can you stop me Ackis ? |
| 19:27.24 | alestane | Of all the things to have on sale: http://notalwaysright.com/best-oosik-to-what-you-know/6800 |
| 19:28.30 | TC-Work | for the same price foxlit , i would rather have http://www.cinemassivedisplays.com/Quad_Gemini_24TW.php |
| 19:29.01 | foxlit | TC-Work: but but the bezel? |
| 19:29.09 | TC-Work | meh |
| 19:29.14 | Fisker | i was a jerk TC-Work |
| 19:29.24 | TC-Work | ty captian obvious Fisker |
| 19:29.46 | Fisker | why would anyone buy that TC-Work ? |
| 19:29.56 | TC-Work | i would if i had that nibey |
| 19:30.18 | foxlit | Requires 8x DVI out, too |
| 19:30.44 | foxlit | That's what, four video cards? |
| 19:31.35 | TC-Work | s/nibey/money |
| 19:31.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i think some cards have 3 outs, so you could get away with 3 |
| 19:31.46 | TC-Work | or the usb vonversions |
| 19:31.51 | TC-Work | conversions* |
| 19:32.09 | TC-Work | or even have multiple computers |
| 19:32.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 19:32.56 | NightHawkTheSane | 2x mac pros with 2 card each would be pretty sweet with that |
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| 19:43.03 | Lunessa | alestane: lulz |
| 19:45.10 | Lopeppeppy | What else do you sell to tourists in Alaska? Can't bottle the northern lights. |
| 19:45.21 | TC-Work | you sell snow ofc |
| 19:45.35 | Lopeppeppy | don't eat yellow snow |
| 19:46.41 | olafski | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1042700886/client-i-am-having-a-problem-closing-my-cup :( |
| 19:46.47 | olafski | usually they're kinda funny |
| 19:47.00 | badwarden | Does anyone know if there's documentation available for OptionsSliderTemplate, or Sliders in general, or even whether using them is a good idea? |
| 19:49.42 | foxlit | The template mostly just adds graphics |
| 19:50.23 | badwarden | If I'm trying to change the text labels how might I find the function or field? |
| 19:51.27 | foxlit | Suppose you call your slider (through CreateFrame or XML name="") Foo |
| 19:51.50 | foxlit | The labels are the three FontStrings called FooText, FooLow, and FooHigh |
| 19:52.38 | badwarden | If I CreateFrame("Slider", nil, ... ) such that it has no name am I unable to manipulate the labels? |
| 19:53.06 | foxlit | correct. |
| 19:53.14 | NightHawkTheSane | that would be a bad idea |
| 19:53.25 | foxlit | Or at least you have no convenient way to get to them. |
| 19:53.27 | badwarden | Doesn't naming every Slider risk collision in the global namespace? |
| 19:53.52 | NightHawkTheSane | potentially, but its not difficult to give them reasonably unique names. |
| 19:53.56 | badwarden | Night can you elaborate on why that would be a bad idea? |
| 19:54.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, like you said, if you dont name the slider, accessing it, and its related structures, gets trickier ;) |
| 19:54.26 | badwarden | got ya. |
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| 19:54.36 | Fisker | tonight we bet on duke |
| 19:54.39 | foxlit | Collisions are overrated. |
| 19:54.49 | foxlit | Pick a reasonable addon-name derived prefix and opt for longer names |
| 19:54.49 | badwarden | You mean worrying about them is overrated? |
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| 19:55.27 | badwarden | Humm, alright, thank you kindly for the advice. |
| 19:55.42 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, the only time you should be worried about collision is if you're using very generic names |
| 19:55.45 | Ackis | pukes on Fisker |
| 19:55.55 | Fisker | we bet on duke at pax Ackis |
| 19:55.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Prefixing frame names with your addon name will typically avoid that reasonably well |
| 19:56.24 | Fisker | always bet on duke NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:56.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I prefer to bet on black. |
| 19:56.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i always lose at roulette when i bet on duke. |
| 19:57.09 | Fisker | i always win the roulette when betting on duke |
| 19:57.28 | Alram | always bet on Fisker |
| 19:57.31 | Alram | no way it can go wrong |
| 19:57.33 | Ackis | duke sucks |
| 19:57.38 | badwarden | Is there any signifigance to a $ leading a UI element name? e.g. "$parent_cb2" |
| 19:57.47 | Humbedooh | yes |
| 19:57.54 | Fisker | always bet on duke Ackis |
| 19:58.00 | Humbedooh | $parent = parent frame's name |
| 19:58.13 | Humbedooh | so if parent is "moo", then $parent_cb2 will be moo_cb2 |
| 19:58.37 | badwarden | Okay |
| 19:59.12 | badwarden | May I ask at what layer $parent is interpreted? |
| 19:59.35 | Thaoky | when your .xml is read |
| 19:59.51 | Thaoky | ie: at logon, or later if your addon is LoD |
| 20:00.21 | badwarden | Thank you again |
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| 20:06.18 | Fisker | Thrae |
| 20:06.23 | Fisker | imma penis u |
| 20:06.49 | Thrae | Fisker: Hey, are you FISKER_Q? |
| 20:07.29 | mikma | QQ is more like it |
| 20:07.35 | Fisker | :O |
| 20:08.13 | foxlit | Clearly the mobile authenticator should work over bluetooth |
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| 20:08.57 | Thrae | foxlit: It doesn't? I thought it only needed an active connection to the Internet. |
| 20:09.22 | foxlit | Thrae: I mean instead of having me copy an 8-digit number |
| 20:09.25 | Thrae | Fisker: FISKER_Q is on another channel I'm on and I recently encountered a post by FISKER_Q on a random website I was viewing. |
| 20:09.45 | mikma | was it porn? |
| 20:09.56 | mikma | since, i've heard about that name too |
| 20:10.06 | Thrae | foxlit: Ahhh. Well, that might be a security risk with public computers. |
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| 20:10.38 | Thrae | foxlit: It seems one of Blizzard's security models is to simply disallow the possibility. |
| 20:10.43 | foxlit | Thrae: doesn't really introduce anything new |
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| 20:10.48 | Fisker | i didn't go into porn mikma |
| 20:10.57 | mikma | yes you did |
| 20:11.04 | Fisker | naw |
| 20:11.05 | mikma | in japan porno makes you |
| 20:11.06 | Fisker | also Thrae |
| 20:11.11 | Fisker | random page being mmo-champion |
| 20:11.12 | Thrae | foxlit: Well, I don't think Bluetooth is encrypted unless you set it up end-to-end. |
| 20:11.45 | Thrae | End to End? Point-to-Point. |
| 20:12.19 | zenzelezz | over Ethernet |
| 20:12.34 | mikma | cairenn|afk: you own nintendo wii? http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/i_uh_i_dont_know_if_thats_what.php |
| 20:13.29 | Lunessa | Bluetooth is such a crappy technology - it's like Ohai, I'm sharin' ur dataz indiscriminately, lolwut!" |
| 20:14.25 | Ackis | the idea was that you'd have to be close to snoop the data, however that was prooved wrong |
| 20:14.50 | Fisker | i ethernet u zenzelezz |
| 20:14.54 | mikma | wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/the_future_is_now_a_sinkurinal.php |
| 20:16.04 | nicoli_s | mikma: reminds me of the f-u f-me |
| 20:18.49 | Ackis | http://valleywag.gawker.com/5626105/4chan-on-the-hunt-for-puppy+throwing-girl :( |
| 20:19.15 | Fisker | no nicoli_s |
| 20:19.48 | mikma | hahahahahaa |
| 20:19.52 | mikma | goooo 4cchan! |
| 20:20.12 | zenzelezz | heard about that. This is one of those times I support 4chan |
| 20:20.31 | Lunessa | Ackis: Yeah, there was a small ad campaign here in the US about data security that showed a guy sniffing bluetooth connections of phones while being driven around town. |
| 20:21.20 | Ackis | Lunessa: about 5 years ago there was a demonstration showing people getting signals over a mile away |
| 20:21.43 | olafski | wow I hope they drown her |
| 20:21.50 | Lunessa | One of the first things I do is kill bluetooth on devices I won. |
| 20:22.16 | olafski | I don't even like dogs |
| 20:22.40 | Ackis | not gonna lie, I like my phone talking to my car via bluetooth |
| 20:23.06 | olafski | I'd like a car that can do that |
| 20:23.08 | olafski | .. and a phone |
| 20:23.26 | olafski | got offered a company phone today, I haven't decided whether I want the smart- or dumb phone yet =( |
| 20:23.30 | Arrowmaster | part of the problem is the security model of using 'security codes' for devices that no manufacturer ever seems to set to anything except 0000 |
| 20:23.59 | zenzelezz | hey, 0000 is really hard to guess! |
| 20:24.37 | olafski | I don't think I've ever had to enter a code on my phone yet.. sounds annoying :P |
| 20:24.52 | zenzelezz | surely you've had to enter the PIN for your SIM card? |
| 20:25.08 | Arrowmaster | never had to do that |
| 20:25.21 | Lunessa | My car doesn't have bluetooth or even an input jack for my iPhone, but that's fine. And since Bluetooth is pretty crappy for file syncing I leave it off and just use a cable. |
| 20:25.27 | Arrowmaster | i just swap the SIM card around to different phones without any prompting |
| 20:25.39 | olafski | zenzelezz: simcards have a pin? I don't recall entering that |
| 20:25.49 | Dewin | you can lock the sim |
| 20:26.03 | olafski | bluetooth in the car sounds good though |
| 20:26.04 | Dewin | Which prevents you from, say, accessing the contacts on it |
| 20:26.05 | zenzelezz | olafski: over here they do at least |
| 20:26.13 | olafski | I do feel kinda endangered when I pick up the phone in the car atm :P |
| 20:26.21 | olafski | not to mention it's illegal |
| 20:26.49 | olafski | zenzelezz: well maybe I can set one up.. it doesn't have one now anyway |
| 20:26.50 | zenzelezz | pick it up while driving? |
| 20:26.55 | olafski | yeah |
| 20:27.03 | zenzelezz | get a hands-free set |
| 20:27.16 | olafski | yeah I probably should |
| 20:27.36 | olafski | my phone doesn't have bluetooth though so it'd have to be a wired handsfree set |
| 20:27.42 | zenzelezz | anyway, when you change mobile company over here, you get a new SIM card, and they're locked with a PIN |
| 20:28.15 | olafski | hm maybe I just don't remember |
| 20:28.21 | olafski | it's been a while since I last did that |
| 20:28.28 | Arrowmaster | im still using SIM cards with company logos on them for a company that doesnt exist anymore |
| 20:28.43 | Arrowmaster | and hasnt existed in like 5 years |
| 20:28.43 | olafski | I better ask which phones I get to choose from so I can decide whether I want the smart or dumb one :P |
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| 20:43.57 | Dewin | <3 my new Vibrant |
| 20:44.13 | Humbedooh | at first I was :D |
| 20:44.18 | Humbedooh | but the I read it right ;\ |
| 20:44.32 | Dewin | Humbedooh: My wife got one too, and.. yeah, there have been some jokes in /g about it |
| 20:44.37 | olafski | what be a vibrant mon |
| 20:45.04 | Dewin | olafski: Samsung Galaxy S series Android phone, basically the T-Mobile version. |
| 20:45.23 | Dewin | We caught them for $80 a pop at Frys (compare $200 for the Captivate -- the same thing but AT&T's version). |
| 20:45.28 | Dewin | Of course, a week later Amazon had them for a penny. |
| 20:45.33 | Humbedooh | but then, I also read "affero license" as "afro license" ;\ |
| 20:45.53 | Humbedooh | took me a second to figure out why the africans would need their separate license type :\ |
| 20:46.37 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5626526/microsoft-reveals-new-360-controller-with-transforming-d+pad |
| 20:46.47 | Arrowmaster | still looks like a crappy dpad because they didnt fix the real issue |
| 20:46.52 | Dewin | I'm pretty happy with it though. There's some minor issues, but nothing terrible. |
| 20:46.58 | olafski | dewin: hmkay.. I'm really not well versed in phone-lingo ;) |
| 20:47.06 | olafski | arrowmaster: did you try that mod I showed you? or was that someone else :[ |
| 20:47.17 | Dewin | olafski: Well, what are you looking for in a phone? |
| 20:47.31 | olafski | nothing really.. I have one that works ;) |
| 20:47.39 | olafski | company offered me a phone though so I have to choose now |
| 20:47.50 | Arrowmaster | olafski: ive seen the mods, i just dont want to do it to my odst controller |
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| 20:47.51 | olafski | no clue which phone I have now btw.. some ancient nokia |
| 20:47.54 | Dewin | And you don't know what your options are yet? |
| 20:47.57 | olafski | arrowmaster: ah, okay :) |
| 20:48.10 | olafski | dewin: no, they just said if I take a data bundle I'll get a smart phone, if I don't I'll get a "regular" phone |
| 20:48.21 | Dewin | Know who the carrier is? |
| 20:48.33 | olafski | nope =) |
| 20:48.38 | olafski | I think they use vodaphone |
| 20:48.44 | olafski | I mailed to ask which models they were using |
| 20:49.03 | Dewin | oh, you're not in the US. |
| 20:49.04 | olafski | it's 22:48 though so it'll be a while before I hear back on that |
| 20:49.12 | Lunessa | Have the latest gen of Android phones solved access to 802.1x using PEAP support issue? |
| 20:49.27 | olafski | think I'll get a regular phone unless the model they're using sucks really hard |
| 20:49.32 | Dewin | I know nothing about phones over there, other then that the carriers don't do stupid things like charge you for incoming calls/SMS |
| 20:49.47 | olafski | yeah that sounds horrible |
| 20:50.10 | cog|work | man... 45 minutes goes SO fast in SC |
| 20:50.21 | Dewin | But then again, you can't get a $600 phone for <$200. |
| 20:50.29 | Dewin | Lunessa: I'm unfamiliar with the issue. |
| 20:50.36 | olafski | dewin: with a subscription I assume |
| 20:50.44 | Dewin | Yeah. It's subsidized here |
| 20:50.59 | Dewin | so you're still paying $600, it's just split across 2 years. And most places still charge you the subsidized rate after. |
| 20:51.09 | olafski | we have that too I think |
| 20:51.13 | olafski | unless I'm misunderstanding you |
| 20:51.17 | Lunessa | Dewin: I can't get any of the android phones users are bringing in to successfully connect to our 802.1x network using PEAP - they just... fail silently. |
| 20:51.41 | Dewin | T-Mobile has a no-contract option for significantly less per month though, so when we go out of contract in 2 years we can switch to that plan. |
| 20:51.53 | Dewin | (Since we buy new phones every... 5? years, it's a good deal for us) |
| 20:52.14 | olafski | I can get an iphone at t-mobile by paying 150 euro and 30 a month for 2 years I think |
| 20:52.20 | olafski | that sounds about like the thing you're saying |
| 20:52.56 | Dewin | Lunessa: I don't know (heck, I've never heard of PEAP until 5 minutes ago), but some quick googling finds http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=36dabddba0ba6162&hl=en |
| 20:53.27 | Dewin | olafski: we made a point of ignoring iphones because we wanted it to be our phone, not Apple's phone. |
| 20:53.57 | Dewin | And it's rooted AND I found a way to get various unlock codes so if I really wanted to, it really is my phone. Though I'm not abusing tethering since I'm, well, not supposed to. |
| 20:53.57 | olafski | dewin: just an example ;) |
| 20:54.22 | olafski | they have other phones with similar plans of course |
| 20:56.54 | olafski | I'd like a windows mobile 7 phone but I doubt that'll be one of the options they offer me |
| 20:57.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: "abusing" tethering is what carriers do when they charge you extra for it. |
| 20:58.53 | Lunessa | If I had a need for wireless data on a laptop, I'd tether. But I don't. My mobile data needs are small enough that the phone is enough computing power. I almost never need a laptop. |
| 20:59.06 | olafski | arrowmaster: the mods really do work though.. certainly recommended if you have another controller ;) when my gf and me play mortal kombat, the one with the modded controller always wins |
| 20:59.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: same, generally. Ive /actually/ needed tethering all of twice in the two years i've had a phone capable of it. |
| 21:00.16 | Lunessa | And my phone is much more comfortable to carry around. If I want to play WoW, I'll go home and use my desktop rig. :) |
| 21:00.18 | Dewin | NHTS: Yeah, but I figure if I 'abuse' it they can cut my service... though I figure a warning first. |
| 21:00.27 | Dewin | That and I haven't yet had a need to. |
| 21:00.34 | Dewin | I mgiht with PAX coming up, but then again there's free wifi all over PAX |
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| 21:00.55 | Dewin | It is cool being able to fire up the Android Ventrilo client and telling my raid our internet just went out. |
| 21:01.59 | Fisker | mumble is cooler though |
| 21:02.13 | NightHawkTheSane | unless you really use it a lot, or go out of your way to do so, I find you kind of have to work to hit absurd amounts of bandwidth, though |
| 21:02.36 | NightHawkTheSane | so you can pretty easily tether, do most of what you need to do, and the carrier won't even notice. it's just 3g traffic |
| 21:02.37 | olafski | torrent tethering of course |
| 21:03.03 | Dewin | Yeah, but I can't think of a situation where I'd /need/ a torrent and not have access to a proper network |
| 21:03.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 21:03.19 | olafski | I was kidding =( |
| 21:03.26 | Dewin | I still need to get something so I can send torrents to my home PC from my phone though. |
| 21:03.28 | NightHawkTheSane | most times you need/want heavy bandwidth you probably have access to a proper & faster network |
| 21:03.33 | olafski | I can't even think of a reason why I'd want internet on my phone at all ;-) |
| 21:03.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: Dropbox |
| 21:03.41 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: I noticed that with WinMo phones especially, but they can catch you on Palm. |
| 21:03.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: never used palm, so can't say. |
| 21:04.10 | olafski | when I see all those people in the lunchroom staring at their phones I feel glad my phone can only make calls and send SMS ;( |
| 21:04.31 | Dewin | olafski: I used to be a nonbeliever too. |
| 21:04.32 | Thrae | olafski: Like, regular mobile internet access such as browsing the web's mobile version of websites on a phone, or tethering specifically? |
| 21:04.45 | Lunessa | Dropbox is love |
| 21:04.47 | Dewin | I've found it really useful when I'm, say, sitting in the parking lot waiting for my wife to get off work. |
| 21:04.50 | olafski | both thrae |
| 21:05.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Dropbox is seriously one of the best ideas this decade. |
| 21:05.05 | Dewin | Lets me catch up on forums and stuff I never get a chance to catch up on otherwise |
| 21:05.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: yeah, i use my phone to read my rss feeds in the morning on the commute to work. its nice. |
| 21:05.37 | olafski | sounds like something that would make my life more "hasty" dewin :) I guess it's a bit like drugs.. I don't use it because I'm afraid I might like it |
| 21:05.43 | Dewin | And today, I forgot my starbucks card and wanted to take advantage of the discounted drinks. So I bought a new card, went on my phone and registered it, and then ordered drinks with it :D |
| 21:05.51 | olafski | (did you see that? a dutch guy denied using drugs!) |
| 21:06.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: you might check to see if there's an app that can store the card on your phone, actually. |
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| 21:06.25 | Dewin | There's not, sadly. |
| 21:07.02 | NightHawkTheSane | http://keyringapp.com/ |
| 21:07.08 | Dewin | Not in a way they could scan it anyways. (It's not a barcoded card, it's a mag stripe) |
| 21:07.14 | NightHawkTheSane | oh |
| 21:07.14 | Dewin | That's installed :) |
| 21:07.15 | NightHawkTheSane | lame. |
| 21:07.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont have that card so i didnt know :) |
| 21:07.56 | Dewin | I had it back before they nerfed the hell out of it |
| 21:07.57 | olafski | that does look fancy |
| 21:08.03 | olafski | is there a list of stores it supports? |
| 21:08.12 | Dewin | $35 for a year of 10% discounts on ANYTHING. On top of other discounts. |
| 21:08.23 | Dewin | If you were to buy, say, an espresso machine, the card paid for itself and then some. |
| 21:08.37 | Dewin | Now it's... free flavors and customizations and every 15th drink is free. |
| 21:09.04 | Dewin | granted, my wife used to work at Gamestop, where it was 10% discount at Gamestop, 20% at Barnes and Noble, 50% at any Barnes and Noble starbucks. |
| 21:09.23 | NightHawkTheSane | thats nifty |
| 21:09.47 | Dewin | Yeah. Except we loved games, books and coffee. Working at a bank helps you save money instead of encouraging you to spend it. :-p |
| 21:10.02 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 21:10.14 | Fisker | dropbox sucks |
| 21:11.10 | olafski | oh well, nn :-) |
| 21:11.35 | Lunessa | Fisker: Blow a goat. :P |
| 21:12.04 | Fisker | i wish |
| 21:12.17 | Thrae | Yeah I've heard of dropbox before and just re-checked it...looks cool, but I already use other things for what dropbox does. |
| 21:12.46 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ToNZHG5KHw |
| 21:12.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: out of curiosity, what other things? |
| 21:13.00 | Ackis | http://grabbingsand.tumblr.com/post/1014298579/less-than-0-00001-seanbonner-zadi |
| 21:13.07 | Ackis | cog|work: you might like that venn diagram |
| 21:13.25 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Well, what do you consider your essential uses of DropBox? |
| 21:13.26 | NightHawkTheSane | the nice thing about dropbox is the fact that it integrates on basically every platform |
| 21:14.09 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 21:14.14 | Fisker | i don't like you |
| 21:14.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: mostly i use it as shared document storage. So whatever i put there is (relatively) instnatly accessible from anywhere I have access to dropbox |
| 21:14.31 | Lunessa | Yeah, I updated the text of a file on my mac, and my windows box got an alert. And I use the files on my phone too. And I share stuff with folks from there. |
| 21:14.40 | Ackis | ok Fisker |
| 21:14.50 | Ackis | ~votekick Fisker |
| 21:14.51 | Ackis | :P |
| 21:14.53 | cog|work | Ackis: it's not like Al Qaeda is the only group of muslim extremists... |
| 21:15.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i use notational velocity on OS X, which stores its notes in a dropbox folder, which I can access & edit on my phone, or on this linux work machine.. |
| 21:15.26 | Ackis | cog|work: it'd still add up to less than the dot that's reflected on that diagram |
| 21:16.15 | cog|work | the rest of them are enablers imo. just like moderate christians enable pat robertson and fred phelps. |
| 21:16.19 | NightHawkTheSane | I also have a folder set up that Transmission, on my mac at home, monitors for torrent files, and auto-adds them if it finds them |
| 21:16.26 | Fisker | hats cog|work |
| 21:16.47 | cog|work | dogma makes you crazy |
| 21:17.32 | Fisker | i don't have no dogs |
| 21:17.33 | Fisker | ma |
| 21:18.13 | Ackis | anyone here implement ISO 9001? |
| 21:18.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: of course, you never actually answered my question ;) |
| 21:18.28 | TC-Work | singular Fisker , not plural |
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| 21:19.36 | Kraps | are we talking about prop 8? |
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| 21:22.50 | Ackis | fyi tonight I will discover if Kinect will detect an erection! |
| 21:24.06 | Humbedooh | interesting |
| 21:24.13 | durcyn | any but yours, i'd imagine. |
| 21:24.22 | Ackis | ouch |
| 21:26.55 | foxlit | I wonder if "Block Communication" effectively prevents the matchmaker from grouping you with that person |
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| 21:35.05 | augustl | for writing cross platform library code: C, C++, Objective-C, something else? |
| 21:35.49 | augustl | I know there are lots of seasoned developers here, I hope it's not too off topic ;) |
| 21:35.54 | foxlit | ansi c </manic laughter> |
| 21:37.40 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5626185/starcraft-iis-baneling-is-cuter-than-you-thought |
| 21:37.48 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5626211/blizzard-hiring-strongmen-needed |
| 21:39.29 | Pneumatus | nrgh latest catalyst drivers break hardware cursor :< |
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| 21:41.19 | sylvanaar | yay beta patch finally |
| 21:41.38 | Maldivia | :) |
| 21:41.49 | Maldivia | gogo lvl 85? |
| 21:41.53 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Well, on the occasions I do need access to something that's on my fileserver, I just access my fileserver remotely through VPN. |
| 21:42.36 | augustl | there is, like, absolutely no literature about Objective-C without Apples Foundation libary. |
| 21:42.39 | Maldivia | a lot of finetuning on talents and primary spells |
| 21:42.48 | Xyphoid | nice to see some inscription stuff |
| 21:42.54 | Jerub | augustl: what about the gnustep docs? |
| 21:43.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: was that actually a question, or do you know for sure the level cap is now 85? |
| 21:43.06 | augustl | GNUStep implements Apples stuff doesn't it? |
| 21:43.13 | augustl | NSObject and friends |
| 21:43.22 | Maldivia | NHTS: well, they hinted that it would be a level increase patch |
| 21:43.23 | Xyphoid | inscription making relics, interesting |
| 21:43.39 | Maldivia | NHTS: but don't know for sure, |
| 21:43.43 | augustl | yay, patch is up? |
| 21:43.49 | augustl | I hope they fixed low level health regen :S |
| 21:43.52 | Maldivia | Xyphoid: well, they made off-hand frills in wotlk |
| 21:44.00 | Maldivia | augustl: also some of the low level npc damage |
| 21:44.06 | augustl | yay! |
| 21:44.18 | Xyphoid | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/86644/ - heirloom-style xp bonus? |
| 21:44.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: *nod* just curious. I don't even have a level 81 (anymore) yet :( |
| 21:44.21 | Maldivia | and patch has been up since yesterady :P |
| 21:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | is slow |
| 21:44.27 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: I am setting up my fileserver to backup onto CrashPlan's servers for about $3/month with "unlimited storage" (roughly 8TB limit). |
| 21:44.48 | Maldivia | but the client and server hasn't been patched till now :P |
| 21:45.33 | Kraps | shit at forgetting to pay bills |
| 21:45.35 | Maldivia | apparently, all pushback primaries have been removed |
| 21:45.47 | Thrae | Xyphoid: There are also other limited-time XP bonus items in WotLK, but nothing player-crafted of course. |
| 21:46.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: *nod* i was just curious, mostly. If it works for you, good deal :) |
| 21:46.32 | Thrae | Kraps: Your bank probably has a way to automatically send out checks. |
| 21:46.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: if you dont mind me asking, about how much do you backup to CrashPlan, and what's your connection like? |
| 21:47.06 | Kraps | Thrae: yeah i have that for one bill |
| 21:48.50 | Maldivia | NHTS: but it's a 1.1gb patch |
| 21:49.08 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: My plan is to backup important files first (~40GB at most, including system files), then go down in order of importance relative to size. While Crashplan offers a huge repo for files, they cap the incoming bandwidth pretty hard. I have a 25/25mbit FiOS connection and it's more like 160K/s. |
| 21:49.29 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 21:49.39 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: That's why they offer a way to send them a HDD/set of DVDs with the information already on them (Seeding), for a price. |
| 21:49.52 | Lunessa | really should invest in a back up solution of some sort. |
| 21:50.35 | TC-Work | Lunessa: so should we al |
| 21:50.37 | TC-Work | all* |
| 21:50.45 | TC-Work | i think IT people are the worst at it imo |
| 21:51.09 | cog|work | too confident in our own ability to keep our 'puters running |
| 21:51.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 21:51.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Although, a large portion of the stuff I want to back up is stuff that's fairly large. Like my music collection. |
| 21:51.53 | TC-Work | my pictures take up 30-50 gb |
| 21:52.00 | TC-Work | but then i like raw |
| 21:52.17 | TC-Work | now are you talking local or offsite? |
| 21:52.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Ideally, you want both ;) |
| 21:52.40 | Kraps | do you guys use online backup services? |
| 21:52.51 | TC-Work | mozy is a rather good one |
| 21:52.57 | Thrae | Right now my backup is Desktop (Daily Incremental)->Fileserver (Main Storage), File Server (Important)->File Server Incremental Snapshots->File Server (Main Storage) on about a yearly basis->External HDD kept off-site on about a yearly basis |
| 21:53.00 | TC-Work | for offsite |
| 21:53.16 | NightHawkTheSane | TC-Work: I've been looking at BackBlaze, actually |
| 21:53.43 | TC-Work | $5 for unlimited huh? |
| 21:53.46 | augustl | backblaze rocks! |
| 21:53.55 | TC-Work | i wonder what their badwidth is |
| 21:54.01 | augustl | they have a upper limit of file size |
| 21:54.11 | TC-Work | ah |
| 21:54.20 | augustl | makes sense, though, I even manually set the limit lower, to 300MB ish |
| 21:54.21 | airtonix | i make homeless people scratch the ones and zeros on the back of used food wrappers |
| 21:54.22 | Ackis | I just back up to my DNS-323 and call it a day |
| 21:54.31 | Thrae | Mozy is basically CrashPlan while supporting less systems, less features, and costs more |
| 21:54.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: thats a fairly robust backup plan. i am slightly awed ;) |
| 21:55.15 | Kraps | what about carbonite? |
| 21:55.42 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Most of my life is kept in digital fragments. |
| 21:55.51 | Dagmar | Yeah right. Restore your backup after bothans have been in there putting their hands all over it. |
| 21:55.56 | Dagmar | No thanks. |
| 21:56.15 | airtonix | hey |
| 21:56.15 | Kraps | hmm? |
| 21:56.20 | airtonix | homeless people are trustworthy |
| 21:56.23 | Thrae | My only problem right now is I'm still waiting on zfs-crypto. |
| 21:57.59 | Thrae | Kraps: The cost of Carbonite is roughly the same as Mozy at $4.50/month. |
| 21:58.32 | Kraps | they're all the same price |
| 21:58.37 | Kraps | http://b2.crashplan.com/consumer/features-compare.html |
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| 21:59.58 | Thrae | What gives CrashPlan an edge over Mozy or Carbonite is not only the price, but also CrashPlan allows you to make your own system a CrashPlan server for friends, relatives, etc. You can let them use up unused space on your computer. That their Java client has great bandwidth shaping. |
| 22:00.48 | nicoli_s | i thought you were talking about the wow addon carbonite, i was very confused |
| 22:02.53 | Thrae | Kraps: Crashplan is the cheapest, as the compare says, if you buy 2-year or 3-year. Carbonite comes close. But I'm also not sure what Carbonite uses...I am sure CrashPlan uses the most up-to-date ZFS solution, which is damn cool. |
| 22:03.42 | Dashkal | Bibi: You just moved :( Software issues? I've been getting a 502 bad gateway all day |
| 22:04.14 | Bibi | Dashkal: learn 2 dns |
| 22:04.14 | Thrae | There's not many other affordable file-systems out there with: very large volumes into TB range, deduplication, compression (and soon: crypto) |
| 22:04.51 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 22:04.51 | Thrae | Dashkal: werks 4 me, no cache. ipconfig /flushdns |
| 22:05.08 | Dashkal | cause it was working and a refresh gave me the 502 |
| 22:05.40 | Dashkal | No change. bizarre |
| 22:07.18 | Thrae | Dashkal: I'm browsing around the site with IE 8.0, probably least compatible, and refreshing randomly. No problems for me. |
| 22:07.53 | Thrae | Dashkal: Try a different browser. I think mmo-champ is in love with Chrome. |
| 22:08.05 | Dashkal | Trying chrome now |
| 22:08.17 | Dashkal | 502 bad gateway in chrome |
| 22:08.35 | Thrae | Dashkal: Do a tracert. |
| 22:08.49 | NightHawkTheSane | chrome kinda pissed me off today. |
| 22:08.54 | NightHawkTheSane | stupid overagressive caching. |
| 22:09.25 | cog|work | firefox kinda pissed me off for years. stupid overagressive crashing. |
| 22:09.29 | Thrae | Dashkal: Should come back as 68.64.47.203 |
| 22:09.48 | Dashkal | O.o |
| 22:09.51 | Dashkal | Something's wrong here |
| 22:10.01 | Thrae | cog|work: 99% of the crashes I've found are Javascript, Java, or Flash related with Firefox. |
| 22:10.08 | *** join/#wowuidev vince` (vince@adsl-76-254-23-136.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:10.17 | Dashkal | 11 105 ms 104 ms 115 ms synapp01.cim.divinems.com [209.251.184.232] |
| 22:11.04 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: true, which is why i dont use it anymore. but at least it can re-download a file fresh from a server without freaking pulling from the cache |
| 22:11.15 | cog|work | >< |
| 22:11.31 | Thrae | Dashkal: That's not right. |
| 22:11.32 | NightHawkTheSane | took me an hour to realize thats what was happening, and it wasn't actually ant/maven borking up the build & deploy |
| 22:11.35 | *** join/#wowuidev robokitty (~roboe@50A2E6C0.flatrate.dk) |
| 22:11.36 | Dashkal | Going to that IP directly gives me server down |
| 22:11.55 | Thrae | Dashkal: What do you get for "nslookup mmo-champion.com"? |
| 22:12.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Diao (vince@adsl-76-254-23-136.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:12.27 | Thrae | The new datacenter for MMOC uses QWEST, AFAIK |
| 22:13.20 | Dagmar | Sounds like a load balanacer is messing up |
| 22:13.35 | nicoli_s | its peak 10 |
| 22:13.43 | nicoli_s | for mmo-cs data center btw |
| 22:13.50 | Thrae | Dagmar: I don't think so. This is only happening to Dashkal. |
| 22:14.22 | nicoli_s | Dashkal:502 is from the dns not being updated |
| 22:14.46 | Maldivia | Dashkal: try ipconfig /flushdns |
| 22:14.53 | Thrae | Well I guess Dashkal can always use Google DNS / OpenDNS |
| 22:14.54 | Dashkal | ok, something is seriously wrong |
| 22:15.01 | Thrae | Maldivia: I already told him that |
| 22:15.03 | Dashkal | I think my firmware may be compromised |
| 22:15.12 | Dashkal | router firmware |
| 22:15.27 | Thrae | Dashkal: When's the last time you rebooted your router? |
| 22:15.27 | Maldivia | Thrae: missed that :P |
| 22:15.28 | Dashkal | I just overrode the DNS and set my PC to go directly to what shaw gives me and the ip is working now |
| 22:15.49 | Dashkal | mmm, perhaps it's just caching too long? |
| 22:15.51 | Dashkal | Hope so |
| 22:15.52 | Kraps | http://img.labnol.org/files/google-periodic-table.jpg |
| 22:15.52 | Thrae | Dashkal: A lot of routers have DNS caching abilities. |
| 22:16.25 | Dashkal | mmm, it uses DNSMasq |
| 22:16.32 | Dagmar | I approve of the new multi-shot |
| 22:16.33 | Dashkal | looks for option to reduce the cache life |
| 22:17.20 | Maldivia | Dagmar: well, you don't have volley anymore :P |
| 22:17.22 | Adys | Anyone ever done game QA professionally? |
| 22:17.30 | Adys | s/game/software/ |
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| 22:17.57 | Maldivia | I debug my own code - does that count ? :) |
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| 22:18.13 | Dagmar | Maldivia: Yeah and until they made the most recent change to multi-shot, that was a _problem_. No way to mass-misdirect if there's no way to hit "just everyone at once" |
| 22:18.49 | Maldivia | Dagmar: the question is, is a mass-misdirect really something they want you to have? |
| 22:18.55 | Lunessa | I quit using my ISPs DNS servers and just went with OpenDNS instead. much happier now. |
| 22:18.56 | Dagmar | I wont' particularly miss being able to AoE trash, but I'd sure as hell miss having at least one wide-angle AoE |
| 22:19.12 | Dagmar | Maldivia: Bacon-saving is the hunter's second job, man |
| 22:19.28 | nicoli_s | Dashkal:if you keep having problems with mmo-c talk to xtek here |
| 22:19.35 | Xtek | o/ |
| 22:19.45 | Dashkal | well, I justy killed the caching on my router DNS. |
| 22:19.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: that doesn't mean they want you to have an AoE misdirect. :P |
| 22:20.03 | Maldivia | Dagmar: hehe, well - going in to cata where a lot of aoe damage and threat have been nerfed, they might not like aoe misdrect |
| 22:20.03 | Dashkal | There doesn't seem to be a command-line option to simply reduce the cache life. |
| 22:20.04 | TC-Work | Lunessa: i thought googles dns was better than opendns |
| 22:20.16 | Xtek | Dashkal, we recently moved to Curse's servers and MMO-C's old nameservers had a 1 month TTL. :( |
| 22:20.17 | Dagmar | Maldivia: It's why we've got concussive shot, distracting shot, deterrence, etc |
| 22:20.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia, Dagmar: I think more appropriately, they just dislike misdirect in it's current (wrath) state. |
| 22:20.32 | Dashkal | Xtek: no wonder my router was clinging to the old ones |
| 22:20.40 | Xtek | :P |
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| 22:21.11 | Alram | stares at Xtek |
| 22:21.16 | Alram | you told me it was 3 days |
| 22:21.17 | Alram | liar |
| 22:21.17 | Xtek | Alram, go away. |
| 22:21.22 | Xtek | No I didn't. |
| 22:21.27 | Alram | LIAR |
| 22:21.31 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Considering that they're basiclaly turning it into rogue tricks... |
| 22:21.50 | Maldivia | hmm, I can see Bibi still haven't found someone to do his primary spells for him :P |
| 22:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | And both are getting nerfed, I think |
| 22:22.02 | NightHawkTheSane | if they're not already |
| 22:22.04 | Lunessa | TC-Work: I haven't used theirs. I might though. |
| 22:22.09 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/1044042403 |
| 22:22.17 | TC-Work | tis easy 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
| 22:22.21 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: THey just took the number of targets limit off Multi-shot |
| 22:22.25 | Bibi | Maldivia: blame Adys imo |
| 22:22.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: I'm aware. |
| 22:22.34 | Lunessa | Hell, having a gmail account was already an admission of defeat on the privacy front, might as well let them record my DNS queries too. |
| 22:22.34 | Alram | Adys, less garfield |
| 22:22.35 | Dagmar | Now it just hits the target and everyone within x feet |
| 22:22.37 | Maldivia | Bibi: and this patch there are SO many :P |
| 22:22.43 | Bibi | fuck you |
| 22:22.44 | Bibi | you're mean |
| 22:22.57 | Xtek | haha |
| 22:23.03 | Alram | said the defeated frenchmen |
| 22:23.04 | Bibi | fuck you too Xtek |
| 22:23.10 | Bibi | and Alram |
| 22:23.12 | Xtek | ... |
| 22:23.14 | Odlaw | hrm.. still want a point-blank ae |
| 22:23.14 | Maldivia | Bibi: 15 specs have changes to their primary spells :) |
| 22:23.15 | Alram | i was already feeling left out |
| 22:23.18 | Alram | :D |
| 22:23.18 | Xtek | Bibi, I see how it is. |
| 22:23.20 | Dagmar | Being able to mass-misdirect *is* crowd control, by the way |
| 22:23.37 | Lunessa | Literally. CROWD control. |
| 22:23.51 | foxlit | TC-Work: tis easy 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 << fun until someone blocks dns traffic to external nameservers |
| 22:24.04 | NightHawkTheSane | sure it is. But it doesn't neccessarily follow that because you used to have, and because you have a healthy selection of control abilities, that they necessarily want you to have an AoE misdirect. |
| 22:24.06 | Xtek | or 4.4.4.4 and 4.4.2.2 |
| 22:24.08 | Jerub | ... regrowth is now a 6 second hot instead of 21 second. |
| 22:24.09 | Dagmar | foxlit: THat would be really asinine |
| 22:24.15 | Xtek | Bibi, I'll remember that. |
| 22:24.28 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Again, it's the hunters primary tactical job. |
| 22:24.48 | TC-Work | Xtek: not anymore i dont think |
| 22:24.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: You're missing my point. That being the case doesn't mean they MUST give you that ONE tool |
| 22:24.54 | TC-Work | unless it's not public |
| 22:24.57 | Dagmar | Their main job is just piles of deeps, but their tactical utility is as a bacon-saver |
| 22:25.03 | NightHawkTheSane | it's A tool, but they're free to give and take tools away as they please. |
| 22:25.13 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Well, they could always make hunters completely half-assed at their job |
| 22:25.18 | Dagmar | I'm sure that would go over very well. |
| 22:25.21 | Xtek | TC-Work oh it's 4.2.2.1 |
| 22:25.25 | Xtek | They're provided by Verizon |
| 22:25.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: you still have distract, i believe? |
| 22:25.35 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Distracting shot. Single target. |
| 22:25.39 | NightHawkTheSane | yep. |
| 22:25.51 | Dagmar | I have a pet that can OT most shit I'd use with that |
| 22:25.58 | Xtek | At least they used to be... |
| 22:25.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm just saying, there's absolutely ZERO requirement to the hunter class that they MUST have a way to control a GROUP of units |
| 22:26.03 | Dagmar | So, not all that great |
| 22:26.05 | Odlaw | piles of deeps :(.. dks outdps me and the rest of the dpsers (except rogues) these days |
| 22:26.09 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: So what |
| 22:26.12 | NightHawkTheSane | it was nice that they did, but it's not a fundamental requirement |
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| 22:26.32 | Dagmar | It wasn't a "fundamental requirement" before. It was just something we had to make the job of keeping the group safe easier. |
| 22:26.36 | Xtek | http://www.tech-faq.com/public-dns-servers.html |
| 22:26.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: right, and they're quite justified in saying "we dont think that's an appropriate tool anymore" |
| 22:26.50 | Dagmar | They took out Volley because tehy didn't want us AoEing the western seaboard |
| 22:27.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not saying they're even saying that, but they'd be justified in doing it if they chose |
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| 22:27.15 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Okay so show me something indicating they *don't* want hunters to be able to protect the group |
| 22:27.20 | Dagmar | Otherwise, you're basically trolling |
| 22:27.42 | Lunessa | You're both trolling. |
| 22:27.55 | Dagmar | Lunessa: No, I just said I like the new multi-shot |
| 22:28.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: What i'm saying is that hunters are not entitled to the ability to misdirect crowds of mobs. Period. If they have the ability, it's nice. But if they take it away, oh well, it hardly detracts from your primary ability (dps) or secondary ability (control) |
| 22:28.03 | Dagmar | Someone wanted to pee in some Wheaties |
| 22:28.16 | Dagmar | No one's "entitled" to anything. |
| 22:28.48 | TC-Work | ~troll |
| 22:28.48 | purl | i guess troll is http://i.imgur.com/VO1NP.jpg |
| 22:28.52 | Dagmar | That they took the limit of _three mobs_ _off_ multi-shot tells me that they damn well do want hunters to be able to redirect the errant pack of trash mobs. |
| 22:28.56 | NightHawkTheSane | "15:18 < Dagmar > Maldivia: Yeah and until they made the most recent change to multi-shot, that was a _problem_. No way to mass-misdirect if there's no way to hit "just everyone at once" |
| 22:29.03 | TC-Work | thats fail purl |
| 22:29.12 | NightHawkTheSane | that impliees that hunters have an entitlement to to mass-misdirect |
| 22:29.17 | Lunessa | Put out a bowl of Wheaties, I'll pee in it. But arguments don't have to go from "I think ... " to "OH NO HE DIDN'T!" in 3 minutes of less. |
| 22:29.25 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: You should play a hunter sometime, then maybe you'd know what you were talking about |
| 22:29.32 | NightHawkTheSane | I have, I do. |
| 22:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Don't turn this into a "you dont play my class so you dont know" thing. that's just idiotic |
| 22:30.01 | Dagmar | So how often did you wind up having to throw out misdirect/volley because the second patrol was going to eat the healer otehrwise |
| 22:30.23 | NightHawkTheSane | A lot, becuase it's damn useful. But If it was taken away, I'd shrug and find a way to make due |
| 22:30.27 | Dagmar | What does "entitlement" have to do with anything I was saying? |
| 22:30.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Multishot & disengage into the tank, perhaps |
| 22:30.40 | Dagmar | You wouldn't have any way to "make due" |
| 22:30.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i probably meant "do" there :P |
| 22:30.57 | Dagmar | YOu get two, sometimes three single-target shots under Misdirect |
| 22:31.39 | Dagmar | Multi-shot hitting three targets helps, but there's a whole lotta places where there's more than three mobs you're dealing with at once. This doesn't do anything other than buy people time |
| 22:31.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Regardless, without the ability, maybe the healer has to actually be heads-up, see the pat coming, and move? he should be doing that ANYWAY |
| 22:31.51 | jnwhiteh | So has anyone played The Sims 3? |
| 22:31.57 | NightHawkTheSane | its not really the hunter's primary responsibility to make sure the healer can completely zone out |
| 22:31.59 | jnwhiteh | Because, I had two households going in one game |
| 22:32.05 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: The healer can't very well "heads-up" if there's now 5-6 mobs running around. |
| 22:32.06 | jnwhiteh | and in one, a couple got pregnant, yay! |
| 22:32.16 | jnwhiteh | but the night before they had the baby, a burglar came into the house |
| 22:32.25 | NightHawkTheSane | he can sure as hell run to the tank |
| 22:32.32 | jnwhiteh | now, one of the people from my OTHER household came over to watch the burglar get cuffed |
| 22:32.32 | Dagmar | So the tank can AoE? |
| 22:32.36 | TC-Work | jnwhiteh: somewhat |
| 22:32.41 | jnwhiteh | and apparently he 'caught' the pregancy. |
| 22:32.43 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: The Sims always felt line "Playing House Online" in concept to me. And so I gave it a pass. |
| 22:32.46 | Dagmar | That winds up right back into "lets' AoE everything" land |
| 22:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | so the tank can do whatever he needs to do to get the mobs, without runnign around to do so |
| 22:32.53 | jnwhiteh | because when I went back to my household |
| 22:32.56 | jnwhiteh | my fiance is pregnant. |
| 22:32.58 | NightHawkTheSane | the point is "if a mob is running for you, RUN TO THE TANK AND LET HIM GET IT" |
| 22:32.59 | jnwhiteh | he is a man, as am I. |
| 22:33.03 | jnwhiteh | this is not supposed to be possible in the sims. |
| 22:33.04 | Dagmar | Whatever |
| 22:33.16 | jnwhiteh | also, because he's pregnant, his torso is missing because there are no 'pregnant male' graphics. |
| 22:33.17 | NightHawkTheSane | that's kind of been the name of the game since vanilla |
| 22:33.19 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: or in biology, but it is pretty hilarious. |
| 22:33.27 | Dagmar | So what does that have to do with anything else |
| 22:33.52 | TC-Work | NightHawkTheSane: yes, but i think it required a hack or a code, soemthing along thoes lines |
| 22:33.54 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/727352baaa9632bff04f560032f38009.png |
| 22:33.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ...again, hunters losing the ability to mass-misdirect is not a "_problem_" |
| 22:34.01 | Dagmar | They're not losing it. |
| 22:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | it doesn't matter if they are or arent' |
| 22:34.18 | Jerub | hunters can just FD |
| 22:34.18 | jnwhiteh | NOT okay. |
| 22:34.21 | Jerub | that's the other MD ;) |
| 22:34.34 | jnwhiteh | and I don't have a save game without this, because I had no idea it was happening, because I played the other house |
| 22:34.35 | jnwhiteh | ah well |
| 22:34.36 | jnwhiteh | goodnight |
| 22:34.49 | Dagmar | Misdirect was never meant to be just a fancy way for a hunter to pull |
| 22:34.56 | Dagmar | That mechanic fairly sucked as it stands |
| 22:34.56 | Jerub | i wonder if EA is just getting hugely popular, or if it's being hit by a bot |
| 22:35.25 | Maldivia | Dagmar: well, misdirect pull was still better than pull and FD when mob reached where tank was :P |
| 22:35.30 | Thrae | Jerub: In what way is EA getting popular? On WoW forums? |
| 22:35.38 | Dagmar | Maldivia: tanks have guns |
| 22:35.44 | Jerub | Thrae: the queue for refreshing is 200+ |
| 22:35.58 | TC-Work | jnwhiteh: seems it's not just you |
| 22:36.02 | Thrae | Jerub: Refreshing what? |
| 22:36.04 | TC-Work | though they do have a mod for it |
| 22:36.27 | Jerub | Thrae: uh, elitistarmory.com |
| 22:36.30 | Jerub | not EA games |
| 22:36.58 | Thrae | Jerub: Aaaaah. Well, EA is also tied to MMOC, and Sigrie is still in a questionable state. |
| 22:37.09 | Jerub | oh right |
| 22:37.18 | Jerub | the queue is still moving very fast |
| 22:37.18 | Shadowed | wat |
| 22:37.20 | Shadowed | no it's not |
| 22:37.25 | Shadowed | It hasn't been tied to Sigrie for months |
| 22:37.33 | Adys | because Shadowed is ghey |
| 22:37.33 | Jerub | it's just really long :P |
| 22:37.34 | Dagmar | Weren't there servers down today? It stands to reason that possible people might be using the web to obsess about their gear instead of staring at vendors |
| 22:37.41 | Dagmar | s/possible/possibly/; |
| 22:37.43 | Jerub | Dagmar: nah, rolling restarts |
| 22:37.45 | Thrae | Shadowed: What database does it use now? Its own? |
| 22:37.48 | Shadowed | wowhead |
| 22:37.51 | Adys | wowhead. |
| 22:37.52 | Thrae | Ahh |
| 22:37.52 | Jerub | unless there's extended outages |
| 22:37.53 | Shadowed | It's not my fault you switched everything to CC stats withotu saying anything Adys |
| 22:37.54 | Adys | you know, the one not up to date. |
| 22:37.59 | Shadowed | yes well |
| 22:38.04 | Shadowed | you switched it to CC data which is useless to me |
| 22:38.06 | Adys | Shadowed: who still logs on live. |
| 22:38.16 | Shadowed | your tooltip code was useful at least |
| 22:38.22 | Shadowed | I wrote my own wowhead tooltip library since theirs is awful |
| 22:38.39 | Adys | Shadowed: i might be providing multi-build tooltips soon |
| 22:38.39 | Jerub | Adys: EA is for current wotlk players. |
| 22:38.41 | Adys | MIGHT. |
| 22:38.51 | Shadowed | fuck if I'm going to switch now |
| 22:39.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Silker (~ponies@5ad23d9e.bb.sky.com) |
| 22:39.02 | Shadowed | Figuring out the wonky setup for wowheads was annoying enough without reverting it all |
| 22:39.04 | Adys | you know you want to |
| 22:39.16 | Adys | Ive been writing a new pywow.game module |
| 22:39.18 | Adys | sexy as hell |
| 22:39.46 | Adys | i have main item, spell etc logic in them and Im able to assign tooltip classes to each |
| 22:39.55 | Jerub | Shadowed: oh hey, you're here. so what is it? are you being slashdotted or something? |
| 22:39.57 | Adys | and pass a renderer to Tooltip.render() |
| 22:39.59 | Shadowed | no it's fine |
| 22:40.09 | Adys | which means |
| 22:40.16 | Adys | i can give you tooltips in html or in jpg |
| 22:40.17 | Shadowed | armory is probably being womy |
| 22:40.20 | Shadowed | yes but |
| 22:40.23 | Adys | or in lua or in your butt |
| 22:40.27 | Shadowed | wowhead gives me tooltips perfectly |
| 22:40.30 | Shadowed | that are live and not CC :> |
| 22:40.32 | Shadowed | thus they win |
| 22:40.38 | Adys | of any build I have. |
| 22:41.22 | Adys | (and I win.) |
| 22:41.35 | Shadowed | That's like having 10 penis's |
| 22:41.44 | Shadowed | might be cool, but you can never use all of them |
| 22:42.07 | Adys | i have 10 so that I can stick at least 6 up your holes while discussing politics with Fisker. |
| 22:42.20 | cog|work | Shadowed: s/'/e/ |
| 22:42.39 | Shadowed | I can never remember the plural form is |
| 22:42.39 | Adys | sticks his 7th up cog|work's grammanazihole |
| 22:42.42 | cog|work | hides |
| 22:42.44 | foxlit | nii. |
| 22:42.45 | Shadowed | I always want to say it's peni for some reason |
| 22:42.59 | Xtek | lol Adys |
| 22:43.02 | Adys | Shadowed: <The Knights Who Say Penii> |
| 22:43.51 | Jerub | wow. i'm not good pre-coffee |
| 22:44.07 | Jerub | i was on an urgent task before i sat there talking here and reloading some crappy web pages for half an hour |
| 22:44.31 | Maldivia | hmm, hope the guild xp bugs have been fixed with the latest beta build - tired of seeing the guild xp bar go all the way across the screen |
| 22:45.21 | Alram | no |
| 22:45.23 | Alram | i like that |
| 22:48.21 | Dagmar | @#$@ can't find it and it's too much trouble anyway |
| 22:49.01 | Dagmar | Ghostcrawler said outright when they took out Volley that Multi-shot was going to take it's place. That seems to me like their plan is very much for hunters to keep the ability to mass-misdirect on a once-per-fight basis |
| 22:49.19 | Dagmar | Now they've taken the target cap off Multi-shot. |
| 22:49.22 | Dagmar | deal with it. |
| 22:52.17 | batrick | wtf |
| 22:54.25 | cog|work | hahaha http://craftingstars.com/main/index.php?q=node/91 |
| 22:55.06 | Jerub | ohshit. |
| 22:55.10 | Jerub | i totally didn't notice that. |
| 22:55.17 | Jerub | i haven't upgraded my idol fromthe 245 one. |
| 22:56.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (~Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net) |
| 22:59.27 | rocode | Maldivia, my guild has reset in level five times. |
| 23:01.47 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9xq-TVyHI |
| 23:03.21 | cog|work | Dancing dog. No, really. |
| 23:04.48 | Humbedooh | daaaaaw |
| 23:10.23 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: that sc2 video was amusing |
| 23:12.13 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26560501199/streaming-launcher-improvements/ |
| 23:15.25 | Alram | who cares about launcher |
| 23:15.28 | Alram | uldum and twh wooo |
| 23:17.22 | Maldivia | a lot of UI changes |
| 23:17.33 | Maldivia | prime glyphs, archeology, etc |
| 23:18.16 | Alram | guild emblems :> |
| 23:19.13 | Maldivia | well, that was there already |
| 23:19.23 | Alram | not in the form it's now |
| 23:19.56 | Maldivia | guild level up message! :) |
| 23:20.36 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/08/derren-brown-live-080910/ |
| 23:20.42 | Maldivia | hmm: +OPTION_TOOLTIP_EMPHASIZE_MY_SPELLS = "Effects from your spells will be more visible than effects from spells cast by other players."; |
| 23:22.16 | Alram | wondering what this new guild channel crap is about |
| 23:22.20 | Alram | or if its just those notifications |
| 23:23.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: curious.. |
| 23:23.36 | Jerub | Maldivia: surely having the buff be a slightly larger size when the person is targetted is all that's ever needed. amirite? |
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| 23:24.34 | Maldivia | Jerub: well, it's alraedy like that, isn't it? |
| 23:25.36 | Dashkal | come on launcher, lemme patch |
| 23:25.50 | Kraps | a new perspective on the pre-Culling conversation |
| 23:25.52 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26435505093/glad-i-could-make-it-arthas/ |
| 23:26.09 | Maldivia | Dashkal: you can always just cheat and download the patch manually :P |
| 23:26.18 | Dashkal | Where do horde go to get to borean tundra? |
| 23:26.21 | Dashkal | Maldivia: I have no idea to do that |
| 23:26.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: zepp tower outside org. |
| 23:27.00 | Dashkal | NHTS: danke |
| 23:27.08 | Xyphoid | that could be talking about visual effects, not the buff icon |
| 23:27.18 | Xyphoid | eg hiding over people's blizzard |
| 23:27.20 | Xyphoid | which would rule |
| 23:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | (the WEST zepp tower, to be sure, not the old one that goes to UC/TB) |
| 23:27.32 | NightHawkTheSane | er, UC/GG |
| 23:27.34 | NightHawkTheSane | is tired. |
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| 23:39.22 | Humbedooh | squeee |
| 23:39.25 | Humbedooh | g |
| 23:39.54 | Wobin | Kraps: I'm confused |
| 23:39.59 | Wobin | at that thread |
| 23:40.05 | Kraps | why? |
| 23:42.45 | Kraps | check this one |
| 23:42.49 | Kraps | King Varian Wrynn cries. |
| 23:42.51 | Kraps | Jaina says: Varian? Why are you crying? |
| 23:42.52 | Kraps | King Varian Wrynn says: It was nothing, Jaina. Just... you're proud of your king. |
| 23:43.35 | Dagmar | Have ya got one where Varian is beaten to death by goblins? |
| 23:44.33 | Humbedooh | shouldn't it be "I'm proud of my king"? ;\ |
| 23:45.13 | Kraps | Humbedooh: see my link above |
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| 23:53.18 | SqueeG | humbedoooooooooooooh |
| 23:53.58 | Humbedooh | woohoo, finally got them horizontal scrollbars working |
| 23:54.27 | SqueeG | O_o |
| 23:54.45 | Humbedooh | you know...like the vertical ones, just..the other way! |
| 23:55.03 | Humbedooh | Blizz didn't make any, so I had to take their vertical one and rotate all the textures ;< |
| 23:55.29 | SqueeG | "P |
| 23:55.39 | SqueeG | :P what're they for? |
| 23:55.44 | SqueeG | lol |
| 23:55.48 | SqueeG | congrats |
| 23:56.03 | Humbedooh | for mah spreadsheets |
| 23:57.24 | SqueeG | In game spreadsheets? |
| 23:57.31 | Humbedooh | ye |
| 23:57.44 | Humbedooh | they got macros and all that shizzle too! |
| 23:58.55 | SqueeG | hot damn |
| 23:58.57 | SqueeG | is it live? |
| 23:59.41 | Kraps | ok shooting in the dark: i'm looking for a book i read about a cat who wanders and gets taken in by different people, kind of like black beauty but with a cat instead of a horse; a car mechanic, a farm, a little girl who dresses him up; the cover showed the cat walking in the snow |
