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| 00:09.01 | Adys | Cide1: ping |
| 00:09.07 | Adys | anyone has worms reloaded? |
| 00:09.16 | Cide1 | Adys: pong |
| 00:09.22 | Adys | Cide1: see above |
| 00:09.29 | Cide1 | I have worms reloaded |
| 00:09.46 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/2010/08/27/the-system-411-fking-batman/ |
| 00:09.51 | Adys | up for a ffa 3-fort? |
| 00:09.54 | Adys | or 4-fort |
| 00:10.29 | Cide1 | sure |
| 00:10.33 | Cide1 | give me a minute |
| 00:10.42 | Adys | actually we're just doing a b&g |
| 00:10.49 | Adys | cant do fort with 3 apparently |
| 00:10.52 | Cide1 | b&g? |
| 00:11.09 | Adys | bazooka & grenade |
| 00:11.16 | Cide1 | I see |
| 00:11.19 | Cide1 | well let me play with you |
| 00:11.24 | Adys | yeah on it |
| 00:11.30 | Adys | add amro to your friends list |
| 00:12.09 | Cide1 | done |
| 00:12.51 | Adys | Cide1: adding you too, what's your id? |
| 00:13.09 | Adys | or your page, w/e |
| 00:14.22 | Cide1 | I guess my id is Cide |
| 00:14.39 | Adys | er |
| 00:14.40 | Adys | sec |
| 00:14.45 | Adys | theres a billion cides |
| 00:14.49 | Adys | link yourpage? |
| 00:15.02 | Adys | found you |
| 00:15.05 | Cide1 | http://steamcommunity.com/id/cide/ |
| 00:15.25 | Adys | also get on mumble |
| 00:15.29 | industrial | https://gist.github.com/b0f84cd681d0f557a342/cdb1c82dbf26937cd7208050572c8f77dcdbb8d5 |
| 00:15.31 | Cide1 | wtf mumble |
| 00:15.33 | industrial | fixed my thingy |
| 00:15.46 | Humbedooh | Cide only has Grumble ;\ |
| 00:16.05 | Cide1 | cide has skype and ventrilo and mumble |
| 00:16.09 | Cide1 | but who the fuck uses mumble |
| 00:16.22 | Adys | ventrilo is terrible |
| 00:16.26 | Adys | and skype is wtf for gaming |
| 00:16.59 | industrial | skype is an annoying desktop app |
| 00:17.17 | industrial | and need more frequent linux/ubuntu releases |
| 00:17.24 | industrial | (8.04 ..) |
| 00:18.24 | DWSR | mmm |
| 00:18.27 | DWSR | MMOC fail. |
| 00:18.48 | DWSR | I would use Mumble if more people used it. |
| 00:18.53 | DWSR | It's actually so much better than Vent. |
| 00:20.58 | Adys | industrial: Im on ubuntu 10.10 atm |
| 00:21.01 | Adys | it's somewhat stable |
| 00:21.29 | industrial | Adys: yes but their last release is for 8.04. I also disconnect randomly on linux at times |
| 00:21.37 | industrial | (at work) |
| 00:21.47 | Adys | eh, dunno skype is stable here |
| 00:22.26 | industrial | mine messes up and i have to kill it to be able to receive thinga anymore. it shows online on my side but i pop away everywhere else |
| 00:22.33 | industrial | might be my net there then :S |
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| 00:24.14 | industrial | s/anymore/again/ |
| 00:29.10 | DWSR | I love Valve. |
| 00:31.30 | Iriel | I use mumble, it's great on the PC, the mac client has some quirks, but is mostly solid |
| 00:31.45 | Iriel | (Linux server, debian) |
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| 00:51.32 | sylvanaar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560769980&sid=2000 |
| 00:51.40 | sylvanaar | =P |
| 00:53.22 | Cide1 | skype is the best voice com app, gaming or otherwise |
| 00:55.06 | Zyn | excuse me, excuse me! |
| 00:55.46 | Zyn | Mumble uber alles |
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| 01:02.18 | sylvanaar | i like skype alot |
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| 01:07.17 | Cide1 | Shirik |
| 01:07.25 | Cide1 | so I picked "Shirikitty" as the name of one of my worms |
| 01:07.31 | Cide1 | and they keep killing him because of it |
| 01:13.18 | Iriel | Cide1: Can you blame them? |
| 01:14.13 | Cide1 | sadly no, and I hate myself for it |
| 01:14.52 | Iriel | sylvanaar: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560499864&postId=265579710694&sid=2000 |
| 01:15.57 | sylvanaar | cool thanks Iriel |
| 01:16.32 | Iriel | Now to get that stickied |
| 01:22.38 | Ackis | Shirik: ping |
| 01:23.19 | Ackis | anyone know Shirik's character on live? |
| 01:24.10 | sylvanaar | should I post my current framexml extract? |
| 01:25.03 | Dagmar | I agree with Curse's choice of floor panels, but they need better CDUs |
| 01:25.46 | Iriel | sylvanaar: if you're keeping one updated I'm sure a post with a link wouldn't hurt - but the AddOn tool mostly works unless you're on a mac, so I suspect most of the folks who care already have it. |
| 01:25.49 | Ackis | wants to snoop at Shirik's spec =/ |
| 01:26.28 | sylvanaar | i didnt realize it was working, let me give it a try |
| 01:26.37 | Iriel | It worked last time I tried it (on the PC) |
| 01:26.53 | Iriel | but that was a bit ago, when they turned off addons I got less interested, I figured i'd mostly wait until they turned us back on |
| 01:28.25 | sylvanaar | the tool extracted totally different stuff than i have |
| 01:28.34 | sylvanaar | i wonder which is right |
| 01:28.53 | Iriel | Hm, I wonder that also, there were failures like this back in earlier betas |
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| 01:30.04 | Iriel | Hm, now it's not working at all for me.. unless they've updated the kit. |
| 01:31.10 | Iriel | so err, yes, you might want to post your link 8-) |
| 01:31.37 | sylvanaar | i have a zip, let me see if wowace will take it |
| 01:32.19 | Iriel | Oh, I wouldn't o that far |
| 01:32.23 | Iriel | I figured you had it hosted |
| 01:32.32 | Iriel | Hm.. hang on, my addon kit works if the launcher isn't open |
| 01:33.49 | Iriel | Have you done a diff of "yours" versus the addon kit one? |
| 01:33.54 | Iriel | It should be pretty easy to figure out which is right |
| 01:34.27 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 01:34.51 | sylvanaar | mine seems newer |
| 01:35.00 | Iriel | Yes but is it right 8-) |
| 01:35.28 | sylvanaar | trying to find something definative |
| 01:35.56 | sylvanaar | textures now have an urgency attibute |
| 01:36.05 | Humbedooh | hmm, who to blame.. |
| 01:36.06 | sylvanaar | in the extract I have |
| 01:36.11 | Humbedooh | I blame Iriel! >:C |
| 01:36.30 | sylvanaar | <NormalTexture urgency="5" file="Interface\ChatFrame\UI-ChatIcon-ScrollEnd-Up"/> |
| 01:36.43 | Iriel | interesting |
| 01:36.51 | Humbedooh | you walked across the ocean and stole my last cup of coffee, didn't you :( |
| 01:37.03 | Iriel | Me? No.. I just had my own. |
| 01:37.28 | Humbedooh | sure, _now_ it's your own... |
| 01:37.58 | Humbedooh | hm, there's no way to set a metatable function for table.insert, is there? |
| 01:38.17 | Humbedooh | or do I have to use the __newindex one and do mytable[#mytable] = new stuff |
| 01:38.18 | Iriel | Where would you set it, and why would you want to? |
| 01:38.35 | Humbedooh | to set default values on new entries |
| 01:38.47 | Iriel | Wouldn't you use __index for that? |
| 01:39.09 | Iriel | I guess i'm not fully understanding where you're going with this |
| 01:39.22 | Iriel | it's usually a bad idea to put strange metatable entries on tables-that-should-act-like-tables-otherwise |
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| 01:39.45 | Humbedooh | hrm, if I make a table. like... mytable = {}; and I wanna add something, but I'd like the table to check the entry I add first |
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| 01:39.56 | Iriel | Well, you can use __newindex for that |
| 01:40.02 | Iriel | though it wont be called if you replace an existing key |
| 01:40.25 | Iriel | (if you need that kind of checking then you usually have to create a proxy object) |
| 01:40.48 | Humbedooh | I guess I was just hoping for some magical __set function somewhere |
| 01:41.09 | Humbedooh | but that would probably screw up the entire table system anyway I guess |
| 01:41.21 | Humbedooh | newindex it is then |
| 01:42.50 | cogwheel | time to get my carapace handed to me some more... |
| 01:48.22 | Humbedooh | hm, would've thought that a table.insert(mytable, newval) was faster than mytable[#mytable+1] = newval, but no.. |
| 01:52.04 | sylvanaar | thats wierd the servers are back up already |
| 01:53.44 | Humbedooh | hmm, if I do, let's say... parent = {1,2,3,4,5,}; parent.child = {parent = parent}; |
| 01:53.51 | Humbedooh | then WoW will save parent twice, ye? |
| 01:54.31 | Humbedooh | no wait, that would make an infinite loop |
| 02:00.52 | Iriel | It'll create a self-reference |
| 02:00.56 | Iriel | but it's entirely valid |
| 02:01.18 | Iriel | you'll have a key called "child" in your parent table, and the value for that key is another table with "parent" as its key, and its value as the original table. |
| 02:01.47 | Humbedooh | it seems to be saving the values twice and then stops and says recursive table |
| 02:02.31 | Humbedooh | as in, I have a parent table with 2 children, each with .... 50,000 entries or so |
| 02:02.45 | Humbedooh | and then I have direct references to those children as well |
| 02:03.16 | Humbedooh | which makes it save first the parent with 2x50,000 entries and then each children by themselves, each with 50,000 |
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| 02:04.17 | Iriel | Are you trying to serialize that as a saved variable? |
| 02:04.22 | Humbedooh | so I guess, what I should do is not reference the children directly, but ref some proxy that then calls upon whatever function and passes the child key for the parent table instead |
| 02:04.50 | Humbedooh | ye it gets saved since it's a log history of combat and such |
| 02:05.07 | Adys | Shirik: Cide1, amro and I killed you all over the place |
| 02:05.35 | Iriel | You usually want to avoid 'clever' tricks in SavedVariables tables |
| 02:05.35 | Iriel | s |
| 02:05.40 | Iriel | since they dont survive the serialization |
| 02:05.47 | Iriel | Keep perhaps an index table referencing the interesting bits |
| 02:05.48 | Humbedooh | so instead of child = parent.children[2]; I should prolly do something like child = proxything(2); instead |
| 02:06.21 | Humbedooh | I like the word "instead" apparently |
| 02:06.49 | Iriel | I think your complexity is the reference from child back to parent |
| 02:07.14 | Humbedooh | yeah, I should avoid that bit |
| 02:07.18 | Iriel | if you absolutely need that, keep a second table; parentLookup = {}; Then later you can do parentLookup[child] = parent; |
| 02:07.26 | Iriel | Tables work as keys just fine |
| 02:07.34 | Ackis | when looking at how much your +spell power affects a spell, what's the baseline time for a spell? 3 seconds? |
| 02:09.39 | Humbedooh | depends on spell type iirc |
| 02:10.07 | Humbedooh | but baseline is 3.5 secs I think |
| 02:10.23 | Humbedooh | ye, http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_power#Spell_coefficients |
| 02:11.39 | Humbedooh | and the lil' print on the bottom: Spells with a cast time of less than 1.5 sec or greater than 7.0 sec are treated as having a cast time of 1.5 sec and 7.0 sec |
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| 02:12.47 | Humbedooh | which means that the coef would be hrmm.... math.max(1.5, math.min(7, castTime)) / 3.5 |
| 02:15.03 | Torhal | kneecaps Ackis with Fisker. |
| 02:16.00 | |Jelly| | ouch |
| 02:17.29 | Ackis | :( |
| 02:17.40 | Humbedooh | ./pat |
| 02:18.48 | Ackis | I'm comparing empowered healing versus blessed resillience.... is this math correct (coeffs are proper): emp healing: 2423 + 100.57% * 2706 = 5144.4 bless resil: 2423 * 1.03 + 80.57% * 2706 = 4675.9 |
| 02:19.53 | Humbedooh | what are the cast times? |
| 02:20.01 | Humbedooh | or do I have to look them up ;( |
| 02:20.21 | Ackis | I got the coeffecients from the wiki |
| 02:20.27 | Ackis | flash heal is 1.5 seconds talented |
| 02:20.55 | Humbedooh | talents don't count |
| 02:20.59 | Ackis | err 1.5 seconds no matter what |
| 02:21.49 | Humbedooh | where'd you get the 100.57 from? |
| 02:21.53 | Ackis | the text on blessed resil is "Increases the effectiveness of your healing spells by 3%" which means it only affects the base spell if I remember correctly? |
| 02:22.07 | Ackis | [Flash Heal] 80.57% (100.57% with [Empowered Healing]) |
| 02:22.37 | Humbedooh | hmm no it should affect spell power too |
| 02:23.02 | Humbedooh | since the spell power is calculated before talents kick in |
| 02:23.44 | Humbedooh | "Damage benefits are applied before any talents or buffs that may otherwise increase your spell damage. " |
| 02:24.13 | Humbedooh | hm that's quite a vague statement actually |
| 02:24.26 | Amarande | Ackis: you should ask EJ. :) |
| 02:24.58 | Ackis | that would require me connecting to quakenet irc |
| 02:25.07 | Ackis | I was thinking EJ or WoR |
| 02:25.20 | NightHawkTheSane | EJ probably has a wiki article about it |
| 02:27.06 | Ackis | There are definitely justifications for losing Improved Healing and Empowered Healing if you don't cast enough GHeal / FH to justify keeping them in a Holy build. It certainly opens up a lot of options for getting full points into Test of Faith and Blessed Resilience, which scale heals at the end of the computation, instead of simply off spellpower. The loss |
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| 02:27.18 | Humbedooh | "All spell damage and healing gains stack. The total bonus is determined by adding individual bonuses from all equipped items, all buffs, and any talents." |
| 02:27.40 | Amarande | is this pally healing or priest healing btw? |
| 02:27.59 | Humbedooh | priest |
| 02:28.01 | Amarande | ah |
| 02:28.08 | Humbedooh | unless paladins got Flash Heal somehow ;> |
| 02:28.11 | Amarande | I long ago discovered the solution to all this holy build stuff :) |
| 02:28.15 | Amarande | guess what it is? |
| 02:28.26 | Humbedooh | go disc? |
| 02:30.11 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 02:32.53 | NightHawkTheSane | My solution was to go resto. Works for me. |
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| 02:34.32 | Amarande | and yes, the answer was 'go disc' |
| 02:34.47 | Amarande | ever since I read Amber's "I Like Bubbles" blog ... disc it's been on my priest |
| 02:34.48 | Humbedooh | do I get a cookie? :3 |
| 02:34.52 | Amarande | and what a wonderful decision it's been |
| 02:35.08 | Amarande | unlike DPS where you have to mash buttons all the time |
| 02:35.18 | Amarande | as a disc healer, at least prior to heroics, and of course unless something goes unexpectedly south |
| 02:35.26 | Amarande | I basically can be laid-back to the point of *lazy* |
| 02:35.41 | Humbedooh | haha yeah |
| 02:35.58 | Humbedooh | I rerolled from enha shaman to fury warrior because I was tired of mashing so many buttons..... |
| 02:36.01 | Dagmar | Yeah you can just stand there and wait for the hunters to spot your delicious clothieness |
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| 02:36.14 | Humbedooh | then I realized that fury war was even more button mashing |
| 02:36.21 | Amarande | We're basically talking "We don't even really use Greater Heal except as an oh-shit button" when we're disc. :) |
| 02:36.40 | Humbedooh | yeah absorbs are pretty much everything |
| 02:37.10 | Humbedooh | which just makes it even more fun to see people whine about their precious damage meters |
| 02:37.30 | Amarande | wellll ... if you guys don't keep the damage meters up |
| 02:37.40 | Amarande | eventually, I'll run out of mana to put up shields with. (well, maybe not.) |
| 02:38.19 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember now the last time Amarelya's mana bar went below half when she's not solo questing or something goes south in a battle, or I'm fighting mobs that actively assault your mana supply |
| 02:39.20 | Humbedooh | I have no clue how some people can go oom in less than a minute |
| 02:39.32 | Humbedooh | and yet they do |
| 02:39.33 | Dagmar | spell penetration gear |
| 02:39.43 | Dagmar | They want those heals to soak in good. |
| 02:39.49 | Humbedooh | hrrrr |
| 02:39.51 | Dagmar | Either that or "zerg tank" |
| 02:39.59 | Dagmar | Usually it's zerg tank |
| 02:40.27 | cogwheel | i should do a LFMF series of SC2 casts... |
| 02:40.29 | cogwheel | >< |
| 02:40.33 | Dagmar | If I do randoms with my gf on her healer I am spending about half of my time shooting and half my time talking her down because of the zerg tank |
| 02:40.35 | Amarande | actually I think I do have a little bit of spell pen on my healer |
| 02:40.45 | Amarande | but that's just because it happened to be on one of the blues I picked up in a BC instance on the way up |
| 02:41.08 | Dagmar | "It's okay baby, he's an idiot. We know that. He shouldn't have run off while you're drinking at 1/3 mana. Just let him fucking die a few times." |
| 02:41.43 | Amarande | Dagmar, you're lucky. Lately my love interests haven't been ones who play WoW. :) |
| 02:41.48 | cogwheel | buys a fraps license |
| 02:41.49 | Legorol | Dagmar: almost exactly what happens with wife and I, except she panics a lot instead when tank runs off :) |
| 02:41.54 | Dagmar | It's a mixed blessing |
| 02:42.25 | Legorol | for me it's a wonderful blessing.. it means she understands when i say "i'm raiding tonight, so i'm not at home" |
| 02:42.30 | Dagmar | ...although one guy was a complete asshole tank. He shoudln't trash talk the healer when a hunter is sitting right next to her. |
| 02:42.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: how is it a mixed blessing to find someone you share one of your favorite things with? :) |
| 02:43.17 | Dagmar | cuz by god I DO have the cojones neccessary to go pull about fifteen things at once and then volley-misdirect them |
| 02:43.21 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if I'm geared enough to solo the rest of these G5 quests in icecrown as dps yet. |
| 02:43.23 | Humbedooh | only difference is she replaced "I have a headache" with "I have a raid".. |
| 02:43.36 | Dagmar | Amarande: because I'm frequently having to talk her down |
| 02:43.58 | Amarande | heh, I'd probably have the balls to do that too ... but not sufficient assholeishness |
| 02:44.16 | Amarande | most of my non-normal strategy things are beneficial |
| 02:44.18 | Dagmar | There was also the never-ending cycle of complaining about her DPS being lower than she wanted, but her complete refusal to do any theorcrafting or sensible gear selection |
| 02:44.35 | Amarande | like death gripping a caster mob in fos or pos into the group so it can be aoe'd with the rest rather than standing alone and pelting us |
| 02:44.57 | Amarande | or getting into the face of every mage in the spirit waves in HHoR no matter what, with the sole objective of stopping Flamestrike from happening |
| 02:45.13 | Amarande | the way most people do hhor, it's far too frequent for people to be standing in flamestrike if I let it be cast :P |
| 02:45.16 | Dagmar | That is not a winning move |
| 02:45.27 | Dagmar | Don't touch the mage until it's time for everyone to touch the mage. |
| 02:45.30 | Amarande | Dagmar: you have to remember, I'm a pretty damn well geared frost DW DK |
| 02:45.36 | Dagmar | ...cuz those fuckers become TWO mages in the blink of an eye. |
| 02:45.41 | Amarande | casters for DKs are basically *meat* |
| 02:45.58 | Amarande | and they don't seem to duplicate themselves that much :) |
| 02:46.01 | Dagmar | Just let the flamestrike happen |
| 02:46.05 | Amarande | maybe it's because when I put out as much DPS as I do, they die too quickly |
| 02:46.23 | Amarande | especially counting the few seconds of free DPS I'm getting after interrupting shit :) |
| 02:46.46 | Amarande | and now I feel like getting back into my Mesmer in GW |
| 02:46.57 | Amarande | because interrupts are really quite satisfying :D |
| 02:47.00 | Dagmar | Yes you saying you're a "frost DW DK" is about up there with "high DPS frost mage" |
| 02:47.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: no, that would be more like a frost 2H DK |
| 02:47.40 | Amarande | frost DW is highly competitive ... frost 2H is bad, unless you have Shadowmourne, and THAT isn't because frost 2H is good, it's because Shadowmourne is OP enough to cover a lot of sins :) |
| 02:50.38 | Amarande | btw, why do people hardly ever use their interrupts in wow anymore? :| |
| 02:50.52 | Amarande | like when we're in FoS ... I'm the only one who ever bothers to stop Soul Siphon from eroding our DPS |
| 02:50.52 | Dagmar | because it requires combat awareness |
| 02:51.11 | Dagmar | They just want to click their IWIN button and get loots |
| 02:51.31 | Dagmar | ...which frankly I can somewhat sympathize with. |
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| 02:52.12 | Dagmar | I'm using a rotation button on my hunter *most* of the time because I can't keep an eye on WTF is going on and manage all those damn cooldowns at once, but I know it's only about 94% of optimal |
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| 02:53.24 | Dagmar | ...but at least I damn well have a target casting bar and Intimidate (pet stun/interrupt) on a button I smack with a pinky |
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| 03:06.41 | Cidan | So |
| 03:06.42 | Cidan | Raiding |
| 03:06.45 | Cidan | not as fun as I remember it |
| 03:10.19 | Tuller | well, its a lot more structured than the olden days |
| 03:10.41 | Cidan | It's true |
| 03:10.54 | Cidan | I kinda liked it when it was loose and fun |
| 03:11.08 | Tuller | i blame you addon writers :P |
| 03:11.27 | Tuller | and the internets |
| 03:11.39 | Humbedooh | :( |
| 03:12.05 | Tuller | its probably just nostalgia though |
| 03:12.54 | Humbedooh | you better choose your words carefully... |
| 03:13.02 | Humbedooh | or we'll....write an addon that retaliates for us! |
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| 03:13.36 | Torhal | Humbedooh: Don't make Blizzard block "Hello, world!" for fuck's sake. |
| 03:13.38 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:13.59 | Tuller | well, can't /run print('hello world') in the beta |
| 03:14.42 | Torhal | Tuller: *cough* |
| 03:15.40 | Tuller | nachos |
| 03:16.32 | Torhal | So - does anyone have suggestions as to why my BitTorrent client is suddenly dumping me offline other than the fact that my ISP came out and replaced my cable modem last month? |
| 03:16.46 | PProvost | port blocking? |
| 03:16.51 | Humbedooh | usenet ftw? |
| 03:16.57 | Adys | Torhal: is it instantly or after a few seconds/minutes? |
| 03:17.22 | Torhal | Adys: It varies from instantly to every 15 minutes, to every 430 minutes, to every two hours. |
| 03:17.29 | Torhal | s/430/30/ |
| 03:17.40 | Adys | Torhal: your bandwidth is having trouble following. try limiting the amount of peers |
| 03:17.43 | Torhal | And everywhere inbetween. |
| 03:18.00 | Torhal | That doesn't matter: I can limit the total number of connections to 15 and it still dies. |
| 03:18.06 | Torhal | I kill the client, the issue desists. |
| 03:18.15 | Adys | yes. as i said |
| 03:18.37 | Adys | bittorrent is an extremely draining protocol |
| 03:19.14 | Torhal | I've never seen a setting for "peers". I have, however, seen a setting for "connections". It doesn't matter if I set it to -fifteen- - it still destroys my connection. |
| 03:19.28 | Dagmar | You're being "disconnected" how? |
| 03:19.43 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.52 | Torhal | And my IMs say "Unable to connect" |
| 03:19.57 | Dagmar | That acutally doesn't tell us a whole hell of a lot |
| 03:20.01 | Torhal | And all activity ceases. |
| 03:20.18 | Dagmar | If you can access the cablemodem logs, see if it's not getting snitty and going into a t3 loop |
| 03:20.21 | Adys | Dagmar: it tells us he's been disconnected; it's a bandwidth issue |
| 03:20.28 | Adys | likely either isp or model not following |
| 03:20.31 | Dagmar | Adys: Not likely |
| 03:20.42 | Torhal | I'm booted from IRC, I'm cut off from IMS, web sites become unresponsive. |
| 03:20.54 | Torhal | This all lasts approximately 15 seconds to one minute. |
| 03:21.03 | Dagmar | TCP handles congestion FAR better than that |
| 03:21.05 | Torhal | Then all is fine for the indeterminate time period. |
| 03:21.11 | Dagmar | It sounds more like his cablemodem is kicking over and dying |
| 03:21.17 | Torhal | IMs, not IMS |
| 03:21.20 | Dagmar | ...and BitTorrent can't do that |
| 03:21.47 | Adys | yeah, it can |
| 03:21.50 | Dagmar | Questionable signal strength and/or dodgy equipment can both make that happen more or less exactly like he says |
| 03:21.59 | Adys | ive seen it do against a lot of different connections and routers |
| 03:22.01 | Torhal | Well, it only happens when I have my client on and it never did before the replacement. |
| 03:22.23 | Dagmar | Adys: And I work in a NOC and have been on the internet amost 24/7 for the past 20 years or so. |
| 03:22.36 | Torhal | I did replace my router, and I did at first think that was the issue but then I realized that I didn't have the issue until the modem replacement./ |
| 03:22.48 | Dagmar | TCP handles congestion _far_ better htan that |
| 03:23.02 | Adys | Dagmar: which makes you likely to be biased |
| 03:23.07 | Dagmar | Torhal: So have you tried to see if it has a management interface available over http? |
| 03:23.17 | Dagmar | Adys: No it means I'm likely to know what I'm talking about |
| 03:23.18 | Torhal | And limiting the total number of connections to 15 still does that - it makes me wonder if they're doing a half-assed Sandvine thing now. |
| 03:23.50 | Adys | either his isp doesn't like bittorrent and is throttling on heavy activity (ive seen it done), or his router is shite (ive seen it happen) |
| 03:23.51 | Dagmar | torhal: That would be more half-assed than usual. Someone would have to be prodding your cablemodem directly |
| 03:23.55 | Torhal | Dagmar: No, I have not, though I have thought about it - I just don't know which address I'd attempt to connect to. |
| 03:24.07 | Adys | there's probably a third and fourth and fifth solution but those are the two ive seen the most |
| 03:24.21 | Adys | and as though i don't work in a NOC, neither does Torhal live in one |
| 03:24.27 | Dagmar | Torhal: It's probably at http://192.168.100.1 or 192.160.1.1 |
| 03:24.38 | Dagmar | Adys: I was one of the first people in nashville to have a cablemodem |
| 03:24.47 | Adys | ok, cool, that's still irrelevant |
| 03:25.01 | Dagmar | Well, perhaps it takes a MANDATE FROM GOD to convince you |
| 03:25.13 | Adys | dude, Im not saying you dont know what you're talking about |
| 03:25.22 | Dagmar | Christ man I've only been paying my bills with internet knowledge for the last two goddamn decades |
| 03:25.22 | Torhal | Dagmar: Well, I'm on two routers. My GF's father's router comes directly from the cable modem - it's 192.168.1.1 - my router comes from his, it's 10.0.0.1 |
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| 04:21.24 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Beta Keys for Authors! http://cot.ag/aG4uy6 or http://cot.ag/bYZvjt || but after beating it 7 hours, no wonder it's hard - Adys |
| 04:21.25 | Humbedooh | pretty sure you can always ask that recruitment guy and get a free ride |
| 04:21.40 | Dagmar | I spent myself down to less than 5s when I first hit 80 tho. hehe |
| 04:21.56 | Dagmar | I didn't even know that toon was low on money |
| 04:22.10 | Humbedooh | ye, Jean Pierre whatsisname flies you for fre still |
| 04:22.16 | Humbedooh | free* |
| 04:22.30 | Humbedooh | says "I can pay your way" and other kind things |
| 04:22.34 | Dagmar | Ah... I don't think I've ever talked to him when he didn't have a ? over his head |
| 04:23.59 | Humbedooh | and how come it says "can't do that while shapeshifted" when my DBW turns me into a vrykul...but not when it turns me into a Taunka |
| 04:25.01 | |Jelly| | racist against barbarian looking things? |
| 04:25.57 | Humbedooh | and dorfs! |
| 04:26.07 | A-KO | oooh, big glenn beck circle jerk party tomorrow |
| 04:26.08 | A-KO | I might go :D |
| 04:26.50 | Humbedooh | .... |
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| 04:40.39 | Dagmar | A-KO: It should be epic. There do exist white guys who are charismatic and glib enough to pull off a civil rights rally on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of the MLK "I have a dream" speech, but... |
| 04:40.44 | Dagmar | Glen Beck isn't one of them. |
| 04:41.14 | Dagmar | He's already managed to say "Black people don't own Martin Luther King" on his show. |
| 04:41.28 | Dagmar | Sharpton did an eyeroll. Hehe |
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| 05:00.22 | Amarande | so apparently EG says I should be doing RS10h now |
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| 05:27.15 | Amarande | oh dear god |
| 05:27.21 | Amarande | the geer this one warlock has is amazingly bad |
| 05:27.28 | Amarande | for toc10, anyway |
| 05:27.34 | Amarande | and yes, I said geer not gear on purpose |
| 05:27.42 | Amarande | geer this bad doesn't deserve to be called gear :P |
| 05:29.03 | Adys | maybe we can start calling you Amrand, too |
| 05:30.06 | Amarande | Adys: I'm actually a pretty GOOD DK. |
| 05:30.21 | Corrodias2 | but that doesn't make you a good druid |
| 05:30.24 | Corrodias2 | the only class that ever matters! |
| 05:30.29 | Amarande | I've never played druid past 23 |
| 05:35.53 | Amarande | only classes I've played to 70+ are priest, warlock and DK |
| 05:36.33 | Corrodias2 | back in the day i did druid and hunter. had a few others at lower levels, but after those two, it all felt kind of derivative. i should have done shaman. |
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| 05:37.38 | Amarande | I've leveled Paladin and Hunter into the 60s, the rest of them really never past the 20s |
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| 05:38.14 | Amarande | considering rolling another pally, since I have a BoA 2H sword that otherwise will go unused |
| 05:38.20 | AbsolutRayne | Oh wow, havent been in here for awhile |
| 05:38.21 | Amarande | as I didn't really shine to Warrior and my DK is 80 and well geared |
| 05:38.22 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 05:40.27 | Amarande | and there aren't really any other classes that *use* a 2H sword, are there? |
| 05:40.33 | Amarande | besides the three plate classes? |
| 05:40.40 | Thunder_Child | ~lart AbsolutRayne |
| 05:40.40 | purl | blasts AbsolutRayne to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 05:40.52 | AbsolutRayne | Thunder_Child: Hello to you, too. |
| 05:41.42 | Humbedooh | Now I gotta use that function I haven't used in ages.. |
| 05:41.45 | Humbedooh | slaps purl around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:41.58 | Humbedooh | good ol' slap, still there~ |
| 06:03.33 | cogwheel | wonder if my laptop cpu (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=49024) would outperform my desktop cpu (http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=33911) for video transcoding... |
| 06:04.49 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Not likely |
| 06:04.57 | Humbedooh | does the encoder use thread building blocks? |
| 06:05.10 | Dagmar | ...although it would be cool if some optimizations could account for double the clockspeed, it ain't likely. |
| 06:05.26 | cogwheel | Dagmar: optimizations like double the cores? |
| 06:05.28 | cogwheel | :P |
| 06:05.46 | cogwheel | it's maxing out both cores on my desktop |
| 06:05.53 | Dagmar | THat would require some serious threading support, and probably Intel's compiler |
| 06:06.02 | Humbedooh | http://www.threadingbuildingblocks.org |
| 06:06.03 | cogwheel | it's just windows movie maker -_- |
| 06:06.21 | Humbedooh | oh, well that definitely doesn't have such fancy things I bet |
| 06:06.30 | Dagmar | Humbedooh: No one writes transcoders in C++ |
| 06:06.51 | Dagmar | I'm with Humbledooh on the WMM thing tho |
| 06:07.09 | cogwheel | if it can max my 2 cores, don't really see why it couldn't max 4. and if it did, i think it would be at least close... |
| 06:07.17 | cogwheel | esp since the i7 has HT |
| 06:07.27 | Dagmar | WMM wasn't designed for speed. ;) |
| 06:07.29 | Humbedooh | depends if it knows how to use more than 2 cores |
| 06:07.52 | cogwheel | no, but i'm only wondering if it can go faster on my 4 cores, not whether it's good overall :P |
| 06:08.14 | Humbedooh | that'd come down to what the rest of the hardware setup is I guess |
| 06:08.17 | Dagmar | It could do more at once, but there's only so much parallelization you can do with a transcode |
| 06:08.37 | Dagmar | (reasonably, that is) |
| 06:09.08 | Humbedooh | I could think of a few things Blizz could do with parallelization tho... >_> |
| 06:09.41 | Amarande | GAH |
| 06:09.50 | Amarande | can you get Icecrown's loremaster achievement without doing Basic Chemistry? |
| 06:09.56 | Humbedooh | yeah |
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| 06:12.24 | Dagmar | cogwheel: AFAIK (and this is pushing it) you can only thread as many slices of the video as you can conveniently get at at once, which means you get to add a lot of I-frames you wouldn't otehrwise need under some conditions |
| 06:12.52 | Humbedooh | just go through fx whiterock's quest list and you should get it without having to do the ones marked as "not needed" |
| 06:13.09 | Dagmar | ...because the numbers it comes up with for one chunk directly bear on what the next chunk will be until you get back to a new I-frame, which is just a "let's start over with a whole screenful at once" |
| 06:13.42 | Dagmar | Amarande: What's wrong with Basic Chemistry? |
| 06:13.44 | Humbedooh | idd, that's both the gift and the curse of encoding |
| 06:13.55 | Humbedooh | you need to be two to do it ;\ |
| 06:14.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: impossible to do unless you have at least two maybe three (not entirely sure) folks ON THE QUEST to do it |
| 06:14.15 | Humbedooh | can be done with two |
| 06:14.17 | Amarande | not like other quests where you can just get combat help elsewhere either ... both have to be on the quest |
| 06:14.20 | Dagmar | You can do it if you're a hunter |
| 06:14.26 | Dagmar | ...and you're determined and in raid gear. |
| 06:14.31 | Amarande | Dagmar: It's not that. |
| 06:14.37 | Humbedooh | the vial has a cooldown |
| 06:14.38 | Amarande | You have to repeatedly put the fluid in the cauldron |
| 06:14.43 | Dagmar | I can now regularly solo that dragon and his pals |
| 06:14.44 | Amarande | and you have to do it at a faster rate than the CD on the fluid |
| 06:15.01 | Amarande | the opposition is actually virtually none, from what I've seen |
| 06:15.08 | Dagmar | Ah well, in looking up WTF quest you were talking about I see people syaing they got the achy without doing that one |
| 06:15.09 | Amarande | can't be harder than coprous, and I ripped him a new one TWICE. |
| 06:15.11 | Humbedooh | yeah, you just twiddle your thumbs there |
| 06:15.29 | Amarande | (some idiot left him tagged, and I had to kill him first to respawn him before I could get credit myself :P) |
| 06:16.03 | Dagmar | That "some idiot" was probably still putting his butt back together after being beaten half to death and chased off. ;) |
| 06:17.28 | Humbedooh | hrmm, I require halp |
| 06:17.38 | Humbedooh | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/libspreadsheet/pages/todo-list/ which item to do next.... |
| 06:18.09 | Dagmar | Oh! I remember that quest now. Yeah I did it with my gf. Not very dangerous but we flubbed it on the first pass because she didn't think she was even going to need to use her vial |
| 06:18.13 | Dagmar | Pfft. :/ |
| 06:18.35 | Amarande | Dagmar: anyway the main problem then is eventually going to be finding another person on the quest |
| 06:18.40 | Amarande | since I think the prereq for that quest is a G3 |
| 06:18.51 | Amarande | one of the more annoying group quests to solo in fact - and NOT because of difficulty IIRC |
| 06:19.09 | Amarande | think you have to do the one where you fight the pustulant giants to unlock that quest |
| 06:19.19 | Amarande | problem with them isn't dying, it's evasion |
| 06:19.28 | Dagmar | You mean the 3-man quests from there that no one can solo for beans until after they've gotten to 80? |
| 06:19.31 | Humbedooh | ye, the spine gathering thingy |
| 06:19.43 | Amarande | they're not that hard, but they have a mega knockback and a *short* leash |
| 06:19.49 | Amarande | so you have to be really damn careful not to have them evade on you :S |
| 06:19.51 | Humbedooh | the doggies are way tougher |
| 06:20.09 | Dagmar | I was waiting for guildies to get to that, and then THEY up and did it without me and I just threw caution to the wind with my 219's and squeaked by |
| 06:20.19 | Humbedooh | pustulant horroes die in like 10 seconds ;\ |
| 06:20.35 | Humbedooh | horrors* |
| 06:20.41 | Dagmar | Amarande: Monkey no care about knockback. :) |
| 06:21.15 | Dagmar | I watched him go flying over me a couple of times. He just runs back in. :) |
| 06:21.39 | Dagmar | <-- "nevermind the deaf dwarf!" (on the first pass) |
| 06:21.42 | Amarande | Yeah, easy enough as a hunter. :) |
| 06:21.44 | Dagmar | er dead dwarf |
| 06:21.56 | Humbedooh | well if you're dead, you're probably deaf too by then :p |
| 06:22.01 | Amarande | On a regular class, you'll have to be careful where you move after knockback |
| 06:22.10 | Amarande | apparently it's "get knockbacked twice and it evades" with those |
| 06:22.57 | Dagmar | I think I got lucky with the monkey liking to get behind mobs when they're doing a long cast of any kind |
| 06:23.14 | Humbedooh | kinky monkey |
| 06:23.23 | Dagmar | It's pretty impressive how EASY he makes it look on the last boss of UK |
| 06:23.47 | Dagmar | He gets ready to do that big cleave or whatever and the monkey just casually walks right through him and starts hitting him from behind... |
| 06:23.58 | Dagmar | ...and lets the fool DK take it right in the face. :) |
| 06:24.23 | Dagmar | I had SO much fun before they sorted out who it was grouping me with |
| 06:24.59 | Dagmar | Still think LFG needs an "I would like undergeared newbies, plz" checkbox |
| 06:25.54 | Dagmar | Not for showing off, but becasue 1) I hate the silent rote puggers, 2) I like actually having to watch my threat, and 3) I actually like teaching newbies the instances |
| 06:26.19 | Humbedooh | you'll get the pedobear role icon in the lfg tooltip for sure |
| 06:26.31 | Dagmar | If I still HAD an LFG tooltip |
| 06:26.40 | Dagmar | I need to unload my interface and see if it's a client bug or what |
| 06:26.55 | Humbedooh | tried moveanything? |
| 06:27.03 | Dagmar | I thought it was Sexymap bugging, so I unloaded that, but the icon still doesn't show anymore |
| 06:27.33 | Humbedooh | oh it's the minimap icon that's missing? |
| 06:27.37 | Dagmar | I should check SavedVariables and see if it got moved to some ludicrously off-screen position |
| 06:27.50 | Dagmar | Humbledoh: Yeah, no more green eyeball for me |
| 06:28.01 | Humbedooh | that would be in the cache folder, wouldn't it? |
| 06:28.04 | Dagmar | I have to be quick to not be the LAST guy to drop group, or i'm walking or hearthing out |
| 06:29.08 | Dagmar | There's been no general prohibition about addons that pre-fill out reports that anyone knows of, right? |
| 06:29.25 | Dagmar | I know one of the spamreporter addons was making life hell for GMs for a bit there |
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| 06:30.44 | Dagmar | I think about the only thing that's going to bring Trade chat back out of not just the toilet, but the filthiest toilet that ever was on the wrong side of town in a third-world country, is being able to right-click report for the various forms of deplorable behaviour that have become the norm due to a lack of fatal beatings. |
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| 06:44.46 | Fisker | Amarandemen |
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| 07:07.23 | Amarande | Dagmar: you're on a bad server. |
| 07:07.28 | Amarande | our trade chat isn't so bad |
| 07:07.32 | Amarande | trollish, yeah |
| 07:07.38 | Amarande | but at least the trolls are either fairly mild or tend to be funny |
| 07:07.43 | Amarande | except for the thunderfury linkings anyway |
| 07:07.54 | Amarande | I guess those count as mild though |
| 07:07.55 | Amarande | also |
| 07:08.09 | Amarande | I tend not to be as sensitive to 'offensive' topics as most, being D'Angeline and all |
| 07:09.20 | Dagmar | As bad as my server is, I've seen some that were actually _worse_ |
| 07:09.44 | Dagmar | dude on another server I watched 10 minute conversation between people who wanted a "brez on hitler so he can finish off the jews" |
| 07:09.52 | Dagmar | Words fail. |
| 07:09.56 | Amarande | Turalyon Horde isn't too bad. |
| 07:10.18 | Amarande | It's pretty much a solid medium pop server with above average levels of maturity from what I've seen |
| 07:10.50 | Amarande | Silvermoon Alliance is probably the worst I've seen ... but that's more because they're worse GS whores than anyone, than anything else :S |
| 07:11.07 | Amarande | like 6000GS or so for ICC10N, that sort of thing |
| 07:11.23 | Dagmar | We're up to our ears in btards on skywall |
| 07:11.33 | Amarande | gah this week was my third or fourth ICC10 trip and I'm still only at 5385 by that scale |
| 07:11.49 | Dagmar | Dude I'm at like 5210 |
| 07:12.37 | Dagmar | No one should be giving you grief about ICC unless they're determined to get Kingslayer |
| 07:12.58 | Amarande | my RL feels sure we're going to get KS within the month |
| 07:13.06 | Amarande | we're at 9/12 with the current raid now |
| 07:13.36 | Amarande | we know Valithria, we just couldn't pull it off before |
| 07:13.45 | Dagmar | Cool |
| 07:13.45 | Amarande | so the only things we haven't done at all are Sindy and LK |
| 07:14.02 | Dagmar | We get tired. hehe |
| 07:14.04 | Amarande | raid will be resuming for an attempt at continuing Monday night |
| 07:14.14 | Amarande | we had to stop around midnight Thursday since folks had to leave |
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| 07:22.37 | NightHawkTheSane | 10/12 is really absurdly easy |
| 07:22.50 | NightHawkTheSane | if you can't do 10/12 right now, you're kind of bad. |
| 07:26.15 | Amarande | Night: we'd probably have got 10/12 Thursday night |
| 07:26.26 | Amarande | but by the time we downed BQL, it was midnight and several raid members had to sleep |
| 07:26.32 | Amarande | we didn't even have time to grab the freebie yet |
| 07:26.58 | Dagmar | Naps are very important. |
| 07:27.03 | Amarande | we expect 10/12 at least and probably 11/12 when we resume Monday |
| 07:27.11 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/go_on_without_me.jpg |
| 07:28.08 | Dagmar | We didn't start finishing Kara until we could blaze through it because after a few hours the enthusiam waned |
| 07:28.27 | Dagmar | The next night would roll around and we'd be "ppfft. Too much work" |
| 07:28.29 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/daim000.jpg <- "drive carefully" "we have lots of children, but not extras" |
| 07:29.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, all we have left is the "freebie", Valithria, Sindy, and LK |
| 07:29.12 | Amarande | we got blood and plagueworks wings Thursday night |
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| 07:29.25 | Dagmar | Freebie? |
| 07:29.34 | Amarande | Dagmar: the single frost badge from that val'kyr miniboss |
| 07:29.39 | Amarande | we call it the freebie because it's stupidly easy |
| 07:29.40 | Dagmar | Oh |
| 07:30.20 | NightHawkTheSane | my point was, saying "we're at x/12 right now" is absurd, unless x > 10. |
| 07:30.33 | NightHawkTheSane | because it should really just be assumed |
| 07:32.26 | Dagmar | Yeah we get that far and it's up to the vagaries of caffiene |
| 07:33.06 | eidolarr | are any programmers here unemployed and seeking a job, especially UI coders? |
| 07:33.48 | eidolarr | or employed and seeking a better job? :P |
| 07:38.11 | Amarande | Night: there's still new raids forming |
| 07:38.23 | Amarande | people are still hitting 80, etc. |
| 07:38.45 | eidolarr | i will try one more time tomorrow, seriously a great opportunity if you're smart and fun |
| 07:40.05 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, but lets be honest, its trivial to farm up to full t9 gear, and with a 30% buff, that makes up for most gear deficiancies past that point. |
| 07:40.23 | NightHawkTheSane | the only thing left is coordination, and with the information currently available, lacking that simply means you suck |
| 07:40.29 | Dagmar | Yeah it just comes down to the sheer time it takes just to get all the way through the place |
| 07:40.41 | Dagmar | Me and mine almost _never_ resume a raid the next night |
| 07:40.44 | Amarande | actually, putricide and lana'thel are utter crucibles when it comes to coordination for people new to the fights |
| 07:41.00 | NightHawkTheSane | putricide is freaking easy |
| 07:41.21 | NightHawkTheSane | blood queen is a coordination test, but not a particularly challenging one, relative to prior raids |
| 07:42.00 | Amarande | yeah most of our wipes on blood queen tend to have to do with MC |
| 07:42.11 | Amarande | our RL favors a particularly on-the-edge approach to bites |
| 07:42.15 | NightHawkTheSane | which is just kind of bad. |
| 07:42.17 | Amarande | which can tend to backfire on us |
| 07:42.28 | Amarande | his idea is to wait till the last few seconds to bite |
| 07:42.43 | Amarande | which has its merits - it appears to reduce the incidence of bloodthirst coming during fear |
| 07:42.48 | Amarande | but also means we have a tendency to fuck up more often |
| 07:42.59 | Dagmar | In a window of how many seconds? |
| 07:43.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: he usually recommends 3 seconds or so |
| 07:43.26 | NightHawkTheSane | in an icc10, there's really not much excuse for getting mc'd |
| 07:43.28 | Dagmar | *trinkets* |
| 07:43.33 | Amarande | oh, I also learned this week that you can use AMS to block incite terror |
| 07:43.34 | Dagmar | Get some. |
| 07:44.13 | NightHawkTheSane | or a tremor totem |
| 07:44.14 | Dagmar | You should pretty much _always_ be able to just ride through at least one fear when it matters |
| 07:44.30 | Dagmar | Put a little work into it and damn near everyone can do two |
| 07:44.40 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, fuck ups on blood queen more often come from fear fuck ups |
| 07:45.22 | Amarande | yeah, I've identified a few sources of fuckups |
| 07:45.34 | Amarande | 1) people not getting the bite in time (especially with the tight timing our RL favors) |
| 07:45.46 | Amarande | 2) people not responding quickly enough to pact of the darkfallen |
| 07:45.53 | Amarande | 3) accidents resulting from swarming shadows |
| 07:45.56 | Amarande | 4) fear related shit |
| 07:46.05 | NightHawkTheSane | 1-3 are pretty much inexcusable |
| 07:46.13 | NightHawkTheSane | those are things that you can control 100%. |
| 07:46.22 | Amarande | actually the first three are kinda related |
| 07:46.45 | Amarande | when you time the bite that tight, there's no way to deal with emergencies if the person who needs to bite is also being hit with SS or Pact |
| 07:47.02 | Dagmar | The 4th you can mitigate by saccing a little DPS in favor of fear-busting trinkets |
| 07:47.13 | Dagmar | Not to mention every human in the raid gets a freebie |
| 07:47.19 | NightHawkTheSane | or just getting into a decent position before the fear |
| 07:47.20 | Amarande | Dagmar: We're Horde. :) |
| 07:47.24 | Dagmar | ...and thta anyone who's even looked at AV can have another trinket |
| 07:47.33 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're spread out, eating fears is no biggie |
| 07:47.45 | Amarande | And FWIW, since I'm not the RL and don't really focus much on the rest of the raid therefore (except for range checks per DBM) |
| 07:47.56 | Amarande | all I really know is that fear I can intercept with AMS timed correctly |
| 07:48.07 | Amarande | I'm getting to be pretty pro at AMS, actually |
| 07:48.13 | Amarande | I've actually been able to block FALRIC's fear of all things |
| 07:48.20 | Amarande | which is something that comes with no warning and instant cast ... |
| 07:48.41 | Dagmar | Is fear affected by shadow resistance or something? |
| 07:48.51 | NightHawkTheSane | blood queens is |
| 07:49.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i think most fears are, but i'm not certain |
| 07:49.10 | Dagmar | I thought boss AoE fears were generally infinite range, but I seem to take a pass on a lot of them |
| 07:49.20 | NightHawkTheSane | pally's popping aura mastery with SR aura can help a bit |
| 07:49.35 | Dagmar | I thought it was just "dwarf prerogative" at first |
| 07:49.41 | Dagmar | ...but now I'm seeing it on my warlock. |
| 07:49.58 | Dagmar | The only commonality I can figure is that I'm literally always within inches of max range |
| 07:50.30 | NightHawkTheSane | more likely i suspect you're just seeing confirmation bias |
| 07:50.32 | Dagmar | I've actually gone through UP without being feared at all before |
| 07:51.05 | Dagmar | ...and that wasn't an OMGDPS situation. I watched everyone else running around four times |
| 07:51.07 | Amarande | also virtually all fears are Magic type and thus DKs can block them |
| 07:51.29 | Amarande | what's more irritating is the stuns that some bosses have that simply ignore icebound fortitude |
| 07:51.34 | Amarande | paletress and forgemaster come to mind |
| 07:51.52 | Amarande | like hello? I popped the IMMUNE TO STUNS buff? |
| 07:52.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, it really sucks that happens on such important bosses. |
| 07:52.12 | Amarande | ehh. it's just annoying basically :) |
| 07:52.12 | Dagmar | Big Red Mode FTW |
| 07:52.22 | Amarande | especially since you CAN block the stun from the event things Ymiron does, OTOH |
| 07:52.29 | Amarande | blizz is so inconsistent |
| 07:52.34 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd probably also get hit by whats-her-name in SM, want to complain about her? |
| 07:53.07 | Amarande | actually, I haven't tested icebound fortitude on that fight |
| 07:53.16 | Amarande | never even been to SM on the DK |
| 07:53.25 | NightHawkTheSane | doesn't matter if you'd had, my point is, it doesn't matter. |
| 07:53.33 | Dagmar | It's the best way to round up money on a new server |
| 07:53.43 | Humbedooh | you mean to tell me you haven't got Herod's Shoulder for your DK? :( |
| 07:53.44 | Dagmar | Make DK, clear SM, sell loots. |
| 07:54.41 | Amarande | lol Hum |
| 07:55.03 | Dagmar | I actually got the tabard again the last time I did that with a DK |
| 07:55.37 | Dagmar | Some guy I knew was complaining about lack of money, so I jumped on his server and showed him what to do |
| 07:55.45 | Dagmar | One afternoon and like 500g later... |
| 07:56.38 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, complaining about not having money kinda boggles my mind |
| 07:57.18 | Dagmar | For everything but OMgexpensive 264's it doesn't take much more than a lot of violence to hin up money in a few days time |
| 07:57.26 | Dagmar | s/hin/gin/ |
| 07:57.31 | NightHawkTheSane | nods |
| 07:57.41 | Amarande | Night: I can think of one situation |
| 07:57.45 | Amarande | folks who just bought epic flying |
| 07:57.54 | Humbedooh | epic translation, purl :> |
| 07:58.03 | NightHawkTheSane | er, no? |
| 07:58.10 | nevcairiel | thats even more fail, so you spend 5k on some skill, and afterwards complain how you are so poor |
| 07:58.10 | NightHawkTheSane | making money is stupid easy |
| 07:58.13 | nevcairiel | now thats epic fail |
| 07:58.17 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 07:58.25 | Dagmar | Of course it's expensive as hell> It's meant to be |
| 07:58.27 | Humbedooh | Dagmar meant s/\bhin/gin/; |
| 07:58.36 | Humbedooh | or something |
| 07:58.52 | NightHawkTheSane | it doesn't matter if you just sbought a traveler's tundra mammoth, a cycle, AND epic flying, making more money is no harder because of that |
| 07:59.02 | Dagmar | I don't really expect purl to repeat those things, man. I just figure people can figure it out |
| 07:59.10 | nevcairiel | I could never be arsed to collect enough money for those silly mounts |
| 07:59.16 | Amarande | Night: actually, it's more things like |
| 07:59.26 | Amarande | Yay, just bought epic flying! And then the NEXT raid you're in drops multiple upgrades |
| 07:59.35 | Humbedooh | my former GM has 103 mounts now :\ |
| 07:59.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: wah, fucking, way, spend an afternoon, farm some gold, done. |
| 07:59.40 | Humbedooh | I think it's a little scary |
| 07:59.42 | Amarande | and then you're in a financial spiral because now you have to find several gems |
| 07:59.42 | NightHawkTheSane | wah* |
| 07:59.46 | Amarande | and enchants |
| 07:59.46 | Dagmar | I probably equipped half the leather wearers on my server at one point to get that motorcycle |
| 07:59.54 | NightHawkTheSane | no, you're not you're just too damn lazy to get the money |
| 08:00.00 | Dagmar | I flogged absolutely every recipe worth making if I could get 5% profit out of it |
| 08:00.11 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: I mostly ran out of things to spend money on, and was working towards the 100 mount achievement |
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| 08:00.32 | nevcairiel | I usually just buy epics for some other toon |
| 08:00.43 | Dagmar | Amarande: There's always a supply of people making new 80's. Most of whom are twinks. |
| 08:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | all of my 80's have epic flying.. >.> |
| 08:00.58 | NightHawkTheSane | used to spend way too much time on this game |
| 08:00.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: All you need to do is get *one* toon that can *make* something new level 80's need. |
| 08:01.00 | Humbedooh | or leveling new professions, Dagmar |
| 08:01.09 | nevcairiel | my 80s have too |
| 08:01.12 | nevcairiel | but i only have 3 |
| 08:01.22 | Humbedooh | always someone who's impatient and just buys mats off AH for sick sick prices |
| 08:01.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i have 6. |
| 08:01.38 | Dagmar | Humbledooh: *That* is actually cost-effective if done right. |
| 08:01.44 | nevcairiel | I never bothered to level my 2 70s |
| 08:01.45 | Humbedooh | noo nooooo |
| 08:01.49 | Humbedooh | no L in my name! |
| 08:01.49 | nevcairiel | was kinda boring in the end |
| 08:02.00 | Dagmar | I did not farm a damn thing and in one month I bought the motorcycle |
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| 08:02.23 | NightHawkTheSane | sorry, 7 80's.. |
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| 08:02.39 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah, i barely play most of them, but when you're out of work you have a lot of free time. |
| 08:02.40 | nevcairiel | I'll probably level a new worgen from 1-85 when the time comes |
| 08:02.44 | Dagmar | I bought all the materials at the auction house at 80% of lower, in as much quantity as I could so I always had enough stock to pop out 5-10 new pieces a night, every night. |
| 08:02.55 | Humbedooh | pft, leveling 7 80s IS work |
| 08:02.59 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, it'll be better once I finish leveling tailoring and enchanting on the priest I imagine |
| 08:03.08 | Dagmar | Yes. Enchanting is steady money. |
| 08:03.16 | Amarande | actually, the warlock can make all the epic JC rings and amulets |
| 08:03.19 | nevcairiel | I never had a proper money making profession |
| 08:03.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Humbedooh: yeah, no shit. i wasn't doing anything else, though.. so ;) |
| 08:03.23 | Amarande | which are, indeed, quite useful to a NEW 80 |
| 08:03.23 | Dagmar | Particularly twink enchants now that heirlooms are all over. |
| 08:03.30 | Dagmar | Hint hint that will be BIG in Cata. Stock up. |
| 08:03.30 | Amarande | but most folks skip them now and go for heroic loot |
| 08:03.38 | nevcairiel | my main is alchemist, making money with that was never much fun ever since no-one chain-drinks potions anymore |
| 08:04.04 | NightHawkTheSane | for a while you could make good money transmuting saronite |
| 08:04.07 | Dagmar | The enchants you make from DE'ing some place like Scarlet Monastery, which is trivial at 80 will be worth having pillaged when Cata comes out |
| 08:04.13 | nevcairiel | Heirlooms are not over, they just stop working at 80, still good enough to use them 1-80 |
| 08:04.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont know if that market's died or not, though |
| 08:04.32 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i think he meant widespread, not finished. |
| 08:04.33 | Dagmar | Arbitrage markets fade out pretty quick |
| 08:04.59 | Amarande | Our economy sucks on this server |
| 08:05.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, I didn't expect the market to keep up, but for a while it was a good way to make a quick and easy buck |
| 08:05.17 | Amarande | Gems 110g+ for an epic gem, and the uncut gems tend to be close enough in price to the cut ones that you can't really make money |
| 08:05.38 | nevcairiel | on some colors we actually have cut gems cheaper then uncuts |
| 08:05.49 | Dagmar | The BiS enchants that are hella expensive like Massacre *do* still sell, but you'll find greater volume to be had on the next-best ones because people working towards 80 eat 'em like candy |
| 08:05.52 | Amarande | nev: lemme guess, colors like green that suck? :) |
| 08:06.01 | nevcairiel | no, colors that are important, like red |
| 08:06.25 | Dagmar | Folks might not put Massacre on a weapon they think they'll replace when they start raiding, but they'll throw the next best thing on it and the next three minimalist upgrades they get |
| 08:06.27 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: i must be silly for not enchanting gear that i replace in 2 days time |
| 08:06.52 | Amarande | anyway |
| 08:06.53 | Amarande | time for sleep |
| 08:06.56 | Amarande | night folks :) |
| 08:07.01 | nevcairiel | night |
| 08:07.02 | Dagmar | nevcairel: No I'm talking about the bit where people are approaching 80 and are wearing gear that they'll be taking in heroics |
| 08:07.16 | nevcairiel | yeah, i wouldnt enchant that |
| 08:07.23 | Dagmar | I've been looking around and tons of people go ahead and put that second-best enchant on whatever because it;s _cheap_ by comparison |
| 08:07.28 | nevcairiel | the first 232 epic weapon out of heroics, sure |
| 08:07.32 | nevcairiel | but blues .. nah :d |
| 08:07.54 | Dagmar | Yeah but everyone goes through 2-3 sets of purples now just from the presence of t9 for badges |
| 08:08.28 | Dagmar | they wind up in new purples just from heroic drops, then more purples from badges, and more purples from raiding |
| 08:09.17 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, Neil Gaiman wrote a B5 episode? wtf? and how did i not know this before now. |
| 08:09.39 | Dagmar | Gems about the same way. When you're looking at 300g for a big epic gem, or just _50g_ for the next-best, you tend to say "Ah, it's just 50g" and slap em in there |
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| 08:10.52 | nevcairiel | yeah, i didnt put epic gems in 232 gear, the boost is so minimal |
| 08:11.11 | Dagmar | Yep, exactly. |
| 08:12.21 | Dagmar | I was wondering how many people did that and then I just started writing names down of people I knew just got a new toon up, and bookmarked em to see what they did as they upgraded |
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| 08:13.14 | Dagmar | The two engineering guns will still sell 2-3 a week if I care to make em and price 'em low |
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| 08:13.49 | Dagmar | Easy 100g for <5m work just to buy crap from the auction house, click a few times, then throw it back in with a little markup |
| 08:15.06 | Dagmar | They're replacable by at least three others that are within 2% of 'em, but folks still buy 'em because it's right there where they can get at it |
| 08:16.22 | Dagmar | Amarande: You have Lil Sparky's Workshop by now or you should get it |
| 08:17.34 | Dagmar | It's numbers are a little whacky at times, but it helps a ton |
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| 09:54.43 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/misc/vlcsnap-2010-08-28-12h53m31s10.png |
| 09:55.06 | nevcairiel | hehe that was awesome |
| 09:55.17 | mikma | whole episode full of win |
| 10:00.29 | mikma | all hail the hypnotoad |
| 10:02.26 | industrial | BRRRZGGRRRZGRRRZGRRRR |
| 10:04.28 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/misc/vlcsnap-2010-08-28-13h03m18s30.png |
| 10:08.13 | Fisker | lolmikma? |
| 10:08.24 | mikma | fucker? |
| 10:08.45 | Fisker | :O |
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| 10:23.39 | zenzelezz | I look forward to your report, Mr. Broccoli |
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| 12:06.07 | laeg | there is an addon that will allow you to put a coloured semicircular bar on one side of your character, when you buff say slice and dice, or dot your target with rupture. there's a timer and the bar is only full semicircular when you've used the maximum possible (5 combo points), and it decreases with a timer as it wears off |
| 12:06.29 | laeg | i thought i could do this with power auras but it seems there's another addon that does it? |
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| 12:07.25 | cbreak | laeg: look for Hud addons |
| 12:10.10 | laeg | cbreak: just did a grep searching for the string "rupture" in all my savedvariable .lua backups and icehud was one of the hits, ty |
| 12:11.20 | Fisker | those huds are oldschool |
| 12:12.16 | Fisker | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/arc-hud2.aspx <-something like that right? |
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| 12:36.38 | Wobin | http://aliceonline.com.au/?p=3468 |
| 12:36.41 | Wobin | holy camel fucking =P |
| 12:37.00 | Wobin | Come to Australia |
| 12:37.09 | Wobin | where you might get your car mounted by a camel =P |
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| 12:39.05 | zenzelezz | I hear you also have pork on a fork |
| 12:42.56 | Wobin | I prefer the other ad campaign |
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| 12:43.00 | Wobin | "Pork the one you love" |
| 12:47.18 | A-KO | After funding, hiring is by far the biggest headache for startups. Ironically, despite a glut of skilled and unskilled workers, in northern California, available developers who know what they are doing are as rare as mosquitoes in winter. When companies like Apple, Google, and Facebook drain the field, startups can't compete. |
| 12:47.23 | A-KO | ^^^^^ answer to this: PAY MORE MONEY |
| 12:48.00 | A-KO | can't compete because A) Apple, Google, Facebook have names, so B) you pay more money to compensate |
| 12:48.03 | A-KO | or give more perks |
| 12:48.13 | A-KO | people work at google for a reason |
| 12:49.01 | cbreak | A-KO: considered recruiting from univerities? |
| 12:49.20 | cbreak | or offering interesting challenges? |
| 12:49.28 | A-KO | oh, this is just something I am reading :P |
| 12:49.33 | cbreak | I work where I work because it seemed to be the most interesting job I could find |
| 12:53.27 | A-KO | it's an article on slate about startups having trouble hiring people |
| 12:53.28 | A-KO | it's easy |
| 12:53.39 | A-KO | google provides one of the most want-to-work-for atmospheres available |
| 12:53.41 | A-KO | they let people be creative |
| 12:55.11 | Wobin | Atlassian do a good deal |
| 12:55.21 | Wobin | 20% time |
| 12:55.40 | Wobin | If I could write java, I'd apply there |
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| 12:59.26 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 12:59.41 | Fisker | in jail yet? |
| 13:00.22 | Wobin | No, landed on 'Free Parking' instead |
| 13:00.33 | Spejnar | any easy way to print tables in tables or do I need to use dual pairs/ipairs ? |
| 13:04.15 | zenzelezz | make a recursive function? |
| 13:07.43 | laeg | Fisker: nah it was icehud, but ty |
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| 13:22.44 | Spejnar | woho, solved it, for now.. |
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| 14:07.58 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tieA5wfcgH4 |
| 14:18.39 | Tuller | my thought this week was "when are they going to reeneable addons?" |
| 14:18.55 | Tuller | and then the "we're re enabling addons in the next patch" post appears, yay |
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| 14:35.10 | Thunder_Child | Tuller: you only have one thought a week? |
| 14:37.23 | smcn | loool |
| 14:39.10 | nevcairiel | but it was a good one |
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| 14:53.25 | Fisker | heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Tuller |
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| 14:56.30 | Tuller | somtimes |
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| 14:56.44 | Tuller | and what fiskter? :P |
| 14:56.56 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/little-tiger-found-trapped-in-suitcase-20100828-13x2p.html?autostart=1 |
| 14:58.03 | Fisker | nothing Tuller |
| 14:58.05 | Fisker | just heying you |
| 14:58.53 | Tuller | ah |
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| 15:18.29 | Ackis | man my ass is on fire |
| 15:19.31 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:19.33 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMsdRdgZ16k |
| 15:20.17 | Spejnar | auch, printing _G was not smart |
| 15:21.27 | Humbedooh | no, it's not :> |
| 15:21.49 | Spejnar | "this code prints all current global variables" oh cool, wait, why did my game crash? ^^ |
| 15:22.12 | foxlit | dunno. It really shouldn't. |
| 15:22.25 | Spejnar | probably not, not sure why it did |
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| 15:22.28 | foxlit | perhaps the code is defective. |
| 15:22.30 | Humbedooh | #132? |
| 15:22.46 | Humbedooh | or did it just freeze up? |
| 15:23.30 | Spejnar | foxlit: that is a huge posibility since I wrote it ^^ |
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| 15:38.07 | Spejnar | Any idea why I can get pairs/next to work but when I use ipairs it prints nothing? I have a numerical index 1,2,4,5 for example |
| 15:41.00 | batrick | give an example of your problem |
| 15:41.58 | Humbedooh | well, ipairs will break if your keys ain't all numerical and in the right order |
| 15:42.26 | Spejnar | I have gotten ipairs to work on my current table before but for some reason I removed that code will restructuring |
| 15:42.57 | Humbedooh | for k, v in pairs(whatever) do print(type(k)) end should find the problem mayhaps |
| 15:42.57 | foxlit | ipairs iterates over the array portion of the table |
| 15:43.05 | Spejnar | they will be in order with a numerical index but there will be gaps, this worked before today i.e. the indexes might be 1,2,4,5 and it printed them in that order np |
| 15:43.13 | Spejnar | Humbedooh: will try that |
| 15:44.03 | foxlit | but, really, for i=1,#table do local v = table[i]; ... end |
| 15:44.28 | Tuller | wafflepies |
| 15:44.55 | Humbedooh | that'd be a bit wonky if he's got gaps in the table, no? |
| 15:44.58 | Spejnar | k is only strings, might explain it |
| 15:45.08 | Humbedooh | :> |
| 15:45.23 | Tuller | in the case of _G k should hopefully be strings :P |
| 15:45.50 | Spejnar | yeah Tuller but its my tempCombat table now, k should be integers, hard to loop over string indexes with ipairs :p |
| 15:46.15 | Humbedooh | how are you adding the entries? |
| 15:46.52 | Spejnar | tempCombat[punit][ptime] = { unit=punit, time=ptime, spell=pspell, hpleft=punitHealth, } |
| 15:47.21 | Humbedooh | try tempCombat[tonumber(punit) or #tempCombat+1] = {...} |
| 15:47.24 | Spejnar | ptime being my numerical index |
| 15:47.30 | Humbedooh | oh ye |
| 15:47.55 | Humbedooh | try tempCombat[punit][tonumber(ptime) or #tempCombat[punit]+1] = {...} then |
| 15:47.57 | Spejnar | I cant just do #tempCombat+1 because then it wouldnt be a timestamp anymore ^^ |
| 15:48.15 | Humbedooh | well just use tonumber alone then :p |
| 15:48.20 | Spejnar | yeah, will try that |
| 15:48.24 | Spejnar | *crosses fingers* |
| 15:48.41 | Humbedooh | and really, no need to both have ptime and punit as the key and value there |
| 15:48.47 | Humbedooh | that's just redundant |
| 15:49.03 | Spejnar | I have redundant in the table yes, but I need both indexes |
| 15:49.21 | Spejnar | redundancy* |
| 15:53.52 | Fisker | robokitty |
| 15:53.54 | Fisker | fuck dig :( |
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| 15:57.30 | Spejnar | bah, got it to work except ipairs breaks on the first gap |
| 15:57.48 | A-KO | http://www.break.com/index/dashcam-captures-100-mph-car-crash < holy SHIT |
| 15:58.40 | Spejnar | oh shit |
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| 16:00.01 | Humbedooh | :< |
| 16:00.38 | Spejnar | meh fuck it, Ill just fulhack it like we say in sweden |
| 16:02.59 | Shirik | another sweed |
| 16:03.04 | Shirik | swede |
| 16:03.09 | Shirik | why do we have so many swedes in her |
| 16:03.12 | Shirik | we're being invaded |
| 16:03.30 | zenzelezz | another American |
| 16:03.37 | zenzelezz | why do we have so many Americans in here? We know better |
| 16:03.39 | Spejnar | probably because we are reading a summer course in addon scripting ^^ |
| 16:03.40 | Shirik | no |
| 16:03.43 | Shirik | this is an american channel |
| 16:03.48 | Shirik | you all are foreigners |
| 16:03.49 | Spejnar | pff |
| 16:03.51 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:03.52 | Shirik | please show me your passport |
| 16:03.52 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:04.00 | Fisker | show me YOUR passport |
| 16:04.07 | zenzelezz | when you can't even capitalise it, you lose |
| 16:04.11 | Spejnar | this isnt Arizona |
| 16:04.13 | Spejnar | I hope.. |
| 16:04.15 | Fisker | shouldn't you call it a portpass? |
| 16:04.28 | Shirik | no |
| 16:05.10 | Fisker | i thought it was a pass for a port and not a port for a pass |
| 16:05.22 | Spejnar | I simply used a numerical index 1++ and store the time in the table, ipairs works and I can easily access it by going from 1->#myTable |
| 16:05.26 | Spejnar | yay |
| 16:07.11 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i bet the foreigners could easily outmatch your silly USians in numbers in here, so be careful :P |
| 16:07.40 | Zyn | hi Im scandinavian and I am infecting your systems with foreign data |
| 16:07.42 | Zyn | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 16:07.51 | Fisker | you can't Zyn |
| 16:07.53 | Fisker | you are also racist |
| 16:07.56 | Fisker | since you are swedish |
| 16:08.08 | Humbedooh | NilFisker :| |
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| 16:08.21 | Zyn | we even hate our own people! |
| 16:08.23 | Fisker | isn't that right haste ? |
| 16:08.32 | Spejnar | stupid swedes |
| 16:08.43 | nevcairiel | we all just hate the danes, that hate unites us |
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| 16:11.49 | Humbedooh | I will steal all your gifflar then |
| 16:12.51 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 16:12.58 | Fisker | why couldn't you just have taken jutland? |
| 16:15.54 | airtonix | fisker |
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| 16:35.11 | Dagmar | Evilpig: Really? That's good |
| 16:37.00 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 16:38.08 | sylvanaar | if you arent in wowace, here are my framexml extracts |
| 16:38.12 | sylvanaar | http://github.com/sylvanaar/Cataclysm-FrameXML |
| 16:38.44 | foxlit | Hrm. |
| 16:38.52 | foxlit | is not prepared. |
| 16:39.11 | zenzelezz | sylvanaar: is it somewhere else if we are in wowace? |
| 16:39.18 | sylvanaar | no |
| 16:39.27 | sylvanaar | i just aleady mentioned it there |
| 16:41.30 | foxlit | Hrm. It |
| 16:41.37 | foxlit | 's about two times larger than live? |
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| 16:42.39 | foxlit | sylvanaar: also, there are zips in there. Are those yours or the UI kit's? |
| 16:42.55 | sylvanaar | lol, i forget to delete them |
| 16:42.56 | Fisker | pukes |
| 16:43.03 | Fisker | that mlg stream |
| 16:43.08 | Fisker | cheeseburgers in buns |
| 16:43.51 | Tuller | you know, tekkub has that mirror, too http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/tree/cat |
| 16:44.35 | Fisker | seriously Tuller |
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| 16:47.11 | sylvanaar | yeah i know tuller |
| 16:47.43 | sylvanaar | i think his is out of date, someone can update it if you want |
| 16:49.12 | sylvanaar | also, it doesnt look like the actual cata code, it looks like the addon kit extract |
| 16:56.28 | foxlit | sylvanaar: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/12803 yoink :) |
| 16:58.38 | sylvanaar | cool |
| 16:58.41 | sylvanaar | thats handy |
| 16:59.28 | Maldivia | yeah, the addon kit doesn't extract correctly with the new streaming client |
| 16:59.36 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 17:01.33 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 17:01.36 | Fisker | *stares* |
| 17:01.42 | cogwheel | hai http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ_4M8yu0HY |
| 17:01.56 | cogwheel | i made my learn from my fail video ^ |
| 17:02.02 | cogwheel | my first* |
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| 17:09.03 | nevcairiel | foxlit: you synced your framexml against sylvs repo? It turns out to not be complete (its actually missing some files), i extracted all different versions since the streaming client started onto my copy on github; http://github.com/Nevcairiel/wow-ui-source/tree/cataclysm |
| 17:09.27 | foxlit | nevcairiel: Indirectly, yes. |
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| 17:11.06 | foxlit | I still need some way to do incremental updates efficiently :( |
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| 17:13.11 | nevcairiel | stupid changeset is big with *every* texture in xml getting a urgency parameter =P |
| 17:13.33 | foxlit | cogwheel: youtube seems to suck |
| 17:13.39 | cogwheel | yeah it does |
| 17:14.56 | foxlit | 19:14:42 (259.59 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 14680696. Retrying. |
| 17:15.13 | cogwheel | i've been having a lot of trouble with youtube over the past few months |
| 17:15.40 | foxlit | Host your own .mp4s? :) |
| 17:15.48 | cogwheel | not hosting, playing |
| 17:16.01 | foxlit | 19:15:52 (361.92 KB/s) - Connection closed at byte 39846328. Retrying. |
| 17:16.03 | cogwheel | their servers suck |
| 17:16.16 | foxlit | Hurray for wget, at least. |
| 17:22.50 | foxlit | And now it's disconnecting ever megabyte or so |
| 17:26.54 | cogwheel | The annotations are kinda important imo... I should get real video editing software so I can put them right in the video |
| 17:28.04 | foxlit | Your play-by-play commentary? :) |
| 17:29.23 | cogwheel | the youtube annotations... speech bubbles, notes and things overlaid on the video |
| 17:29.51 | Thunder_Child | just remember cogwheel, the enemy's gate is down |
| 17:30.07 | foxlit | I know what they are; I'm just wondering what you put in them :) |
| 17:30.08 | cogwheel | correcting misspeaks, adding extra tips, and of course comic relief |
| 17:30.19 | foxlit | and it loaded. |
| 17:32.45 | foxlit | cogwheel: try getting a second queen |
| 17:33.27 | foxlit | Not like you're short on minerals, and the extra energy is nice for tumors. |
| 17:33.31 | cogwheel | i usually wait 'till i start my expansion for that, but i'll give it a shot. I think if i just paid more attention to my scouting i could have responded better without one, though |
| 17:34.05 | cogwheel | s/better/better, even/ |
| 17:34.22 | foxlit | It's just that you have resources sitting around |
| 17:34.53 | cogwheel | yeah. unspent resources is definitely one of my weaknesses |
| 17:35.08 | cogwheel | many many weaknesses (hence the series) |
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| 17:37.42 | foxlit | But hey, at least the matchmaking works |
| 17:37.55 | foxlit | There are people who'd eat you alive, while this resembles balance. |
| 17:38.10 | cogwheel | yep. i've been eaten alive quite a few times :P |
| 17:39.00 | cogwheel | i think i was saving up resources to build units based on whatever i scouted. |
| 17:39.07 | cogwheel | which i didn't do |
| 17:39.35 | foxlit | huuge mass of stalkers without blink <3 |
| 17:40.28 | foxlit | Hah, I'm actually in 1v1 Silver as well. |
| 17:42.29 | cogwheel | is there a favored replay download site? |
| 17:45.33 | Tuller | they stuck me in the 1v1 gold ladder, not sure why or how |
| 17:49.26 | cogwheel | I should have my wife sit over my shoulder to offload some of the multitasking -_- |
| 17:50.34 | Cide | cogwheel: that's not the proper way to raise your apm :P |
| 17:51.04 | cogwheel | :P |
| 17:51.09 | cogwheel | it would work though |
| 17:51.41 | cogwheel | i've always had a problem thinking and doing at the same time... |
| 17:52.13 | cogwheel | so practice is simply a way of making it so i don't have to "think" |
| 17:52.29 | cogwheel | or i could just have mrs. cog do all the thinking >< |
| 17:52.31 | foxlit | Find a 2v2 teammate to yell at you to produce more units? |
| 17:52.59 | cogwheel | net and i were 2 and 1 in 2v2 placement matches >< |
| 17:53.51 | cogwheel | i think i'd internalize it better, albeit more slowly, if I muddle through it myself. |
| 17:54.22 | cogwheel | like i did with tanking. lunessa didn't even tell me i sucked until i was awesome... |
| 17:56.24 | Cidan | Does anyone know of a decent replacement to Autobar? |
| 17:56.45 | nevcairiel | the main functionality of autobar isnt really possible anymore |
| 17:56.54 | Cidan | it is out of combat. |
| 18:00.35 | Fisker | hello cogwheel |
| 18:00.37 | Fisker | you guys are insane |
| 18:00.48 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 18:00.53 | Fisker | seriously |
| 18:00.57 | Fisker | cheeseburger buns |
| 18:00.58 | Fisker | SERIOUSLY |
| 18:01.05 | Fisker | takes out a gun |
| 18:01.23 | Cidan | sings, "Fisker's got a gun..." |
| 18:04.44 | Cidan | Oh my lord. |
| 18:04.57 | Cidan | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9094-OPie.html |
| 18:05.06 | Cidan | This is a lot cooler in action than the screenshots show. |
| 18:05.07 | Cidan | Wow. |
| 18:05.11 | Cidan | It's insanely nice. |
| 18:05.33 | cogwheel | foxlit: "The amount of banelings and speedlings you could have made with those 1500 minerals and 500 gas you had laying around near end game is staggering. You could have mopped up his base so easily once you blew up his army. " |
| 18:05.59 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 18:06.09 | Fisker | http://www.hotpockets.com/images/products/large/HP-Sideshots-Cheeseburgers_4pack.jpg <-this is fucked up |
| 18:06.38 | mikma | oh lookie lookie |
| 18:06.39 | foxlit | For what its worth, the other guy could've built a stargate, two void rays, and removed your base at any time :) |
| 18:06.42 | mikma | blizz enabling addons in cata |
| 18:07.03 | foxlit | Cidan: /cheer |
| 18:07.36 | Cidan | foxlit: Just, wow. |
| 18:07.36 | mikma | "With the release of the next beta patch, we plan to re-enable the ability for players to use third-party addons." |
| 18:07.46 | Cidan | foxlit: Like, really. Wow. |
| 18:07.56 | Fisker | i'm just gonna troll you mikma |
| 18:08.07 | mikma | go ahead fucker. i mean, fisker |
| 18:08.10 | Fisker | because addons were always enabled so "Blizz enabling addons in cata" is very redundant |
| 18:08.38 | mikma | no, addons were disabled in cataclysm. |
| 18:08.50 | Humbedooh | he didn't say addons, he said addon usability! |
| 18:08.52 | Fisker | catclysm isn't out yet |
| 18:09.01 | Fisker | geddit because cataclysm is in beta? |
| 18:09.11 | mikma | yes, and? |
| 18:09.23 | Fisker | you should've said "...in cata beta" |
| 18:09.38 | mikma | and? |
| 18:09.52 | Fisker | see above |
| 18:09.54 | mikma | the only cata atm existing is beta |
| 18:10.20 | Tuller | nevcairiel: what was the main functionality of autobar again? :P |
| 18:10.43 | Tuller | a bar that auto switches to your best food/water/etc? |
| 18:10.44 | nevcairiel | Tuller: back in the day? tell you what things to drink, i guess |
| 18:10.49 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 18:11.13 | Tuller | still doable :P |
| 18:11.31 | nevcairiel | in combat? |
| 18:11.36 | Tuller | yes |
| 18:11.42 | Tuller | as long as combuctor works, its possible |
| 18:12.01 | mikma | haxx |
| 18:12.12 | Fisker | what if it doesn't work Tuller ? |
| 18:12.22 | Tuller | then the world is a bad place |
| 18:12.36 | Cidan | foxlit: No really, wow. |
| 18:13.08 | Tuller | but basic premise: have a container button with a parent, set parent id to the bag that contains the best item |
| 18:13.15 | Tuller | set container id to the slot |
| 18:13.44 | foxlit | The hardest part of that whole affair is figuring out what you want to drink. |
| 18:13.56 | foxlit | Cidan: any particular part? :) |
| 18:14.07 | Tuller | well, you know every item's id in your inventory, so you can always have a best of list |
| 18:14.12 | Tuller | buffet still makes me happier |
| 18:14.21 | Cidan | foxlit: The chaining of rings; I can have one ring that opens sub rings; beautiful. |
| 18:14.23 | foxlit | lists are not sexy, though. |
| 18:14.46 | Tuller | the user doesn't see the list |
| 18:15.11 | foxlit | Tuller: I wouldn't want to maintain such a list is what I'm saying :) |
| 18:15.16 | Tuller | oh |
| 18:15.39 | Tuller | well, you can make the user do that :P |
| 18:18.39 | Cidan | foxlit: You've actually just made my day. |
| 18:18.43 | foxlit | It'd be even more awesome if I could get time in restricted land without breaking in :( |
| 18:19.12 | foxlit | Cidan: awesome. I intend to get another bugfix version out sometime soon. |
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| 18:22.15 | foxlit | Cidan: out of interest, what are you thinking of using it for? :) |
| 18:22.50 | Cidan | at this point, possible I'll use it as a main bar replacement all the way. |
| 18:22.58 | Fisker | hey Tuller |
| 18:23.15 | Cidan | I will simply bind 1-4 to rings, and then use numbered rings, along with mouse keys. |
| 18:23.16 | Tuller | Fisker: ? |
| 18:26.03 | Fisker | i just hey you |
| 18:26.05 | Fisker | like the jerk i am |
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| 18:37.05 | cogwheel | Ackis: how many poms do you have? |
| 18:37.48 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 18:37.50 | Fisker | why? |
| 18:38.20 | cogwheel | i wonder if he's ever yelled "Lap dogs, all of you!" at them... |
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| 18:39.27 | cogwheel | we only have one dog so "all of you" doesn't make sense |
| 18:39.39 | Fisker | why cogwheel why? |
| 18:39.49 | cogwheel | like my video! |
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| 18:40.11 | Adys | Cide: did you manage the last campaign in worms reloaded? |
| 18:42.22 | Cidan | foxlit: Milling doesn't show up under trade skills |
| 18:42.37 | foxlit | Cidan: also disenchanting and prospecting |
| 18:42.41 | foxlit | prospecting? |
| 18:42.56 | Cidan | Indeed |
| 18:43.16 | Fisker | i want my damn hat Cide |
| 18:43.17 | Fisker | and Adys |
| 18:43.22 | foxlit | Feel free to drag them in there, it's a bit of an intentional oversight |
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| 18:45.55 | Cidan | This is going to make playing a Warlock a lot more interesting |
| 18:45.57 | Cidan | That's for sure. |
| 18:47.22 | foxlit | Cidan: for bonus points, you can use macro conditionals in ring bindings |
| 18:47.46 | cogwheel | Fisker: y wont u liek me! |
| 18:49.31 | Fisker | why won't you like me? |
| 18:49.37 | Fisker | i mean seriously |
| 18:49.47 | Fisker | why would you make cheeseburgers in a freaking bun? |
| 18:50.14 | Fisker | you are freaking insane |
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| 19:50.03 | Fisker | i farted cogwheel |
| 19:52.30 | Cide | Adys: 30 or 35? |
| 19:52.38 | Adys | 30 |
| 19:52.43 | Cide | yes |
| 19:52.44 | Cide | easily |
| 19:52.49 | Adys | how? |
| 19:54.55 | Fisker | hats me Cide |
| 19:55.27 | Fisker | oh god |
| 19:55.41 | Fisker | WHY DO YOU HAVE TO CHEESEBURGER EVERYTHING COGWHEEL? |
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| 20:01.26 | Xinhuan | i wish i can play sc2 with some of you guys :( |
| 20:01.38 | Xinhuan | but until they enable SEA->NA access, it won't happen |
| 20:01.46 | haste | SEA :p ? |
| 20:01.50 | Xinhuan | south east asia |
| 20:02.06 | haste | the battle.net separation sucks hard indeed |
| 20:02.16 | Xinhuan | there's barely any population playing in SEA past 12 midnight |
| 20:02.21 | haste | I can't play with most people I know online either :V |
| 20:02.29 | Xinhuan | and 3v3 queues take like 10 min easily |
| 20:02.30 | Fisker | hey hey hey haste |
| 20:02.44 | Maldivia | EU <> US would also be nice |
| 20:02.45 | haste | not you Fisker ! |
| 20:02.57 | Fisker | just make it global (except china) Maldivia |
| 20:02.57 | Xinhuan | the main problem has always been the separation of battle.nets by region |
| 20:03.04 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:03.11 | Fisker | and battle.net technically fixed it |
| 20:03.19 | haste | before you could join the other parts tho' Xinhuan |
| 20:03.21 | Fisker | but they kept it in for silly arbitrary reasons |
| 20:03.29 | cbreak | before you could play against everyone |
| 20:03.30 | haste | now it's basically: hah, no |
| 20:03.32 | cbreak | now you can not |
| 20:03.41 | cbreak | so battle.net did not fix anything |
| 20:03.50 | haste | it just made stuff more broken |
| 20:04.04 | Fisker | i lol'd the "official" reason though |
| 20:04.07 | Fisker | i think it was Bashiok |
| 20:04.09 | Xinhuan | technically before, you could play against everyone - but only if you tolerated playing on "red ping" people hosting the game |
| 20:04.20 | Fisker | he said that it was due to not support local payment services |
| 20:04.24 | Fisker | and i'm like "lol?" |
| 20:04.33 | Fisker | l2dealwithitusingtheregionalbattle.netasyoualreadydo? |
| 20:04.50 | Fisker | yeah that's what matchmaking is for |
| 20:05.10 | cbreak | what local payment services? |
| 20:05.17 | cbreak | since when do we have to pay for that crap? |
| 20:05.21 | Fisker | i don't even know |
| 20:05.41 | Fisker | though technically speaking they are going to allow paid-for features |
| 20:05.47 | Maldivia | yeah, matchmaking should just take region into account, and prioritize same region, but it annoys the crap out of me that the bnet chat service doesnt work cross-region |
| 20:06.10 | cbreak | battle net has chat? |
| 20:07.00 | Fisker | the nice thing about that Maldivia |
| 20:07.04 | Fisker | lets say i go to America |
| 20:07.16 | Fisker | when i go to america i will just automatically play against americans |
| 20:07.19 | Fisker | DUN DUN DUN. |
| 20:07.22 | cbreak | why would you go to america? |
| 20:07.32 | Maldivia | Fisker: no you wont, because your login is for EU |
| 20:07.32 | cbreak | there's nothing of interest over there... |
| 20:07.34 | Iriel | The problem almost certainly isn't technical |
| 20:07.46 | cbreak | and their internet is absolutely crap |
| 20:07.47 | Iriel | I suspect some of the regions are run in a franchise manner by 3rd parties |
| 20:07.49 | Xinhuan | in 6 months, you can probably pay $25 to transfer your sc2 account to another region! :P |
| 20:08.06 | cbreak | I bet your ping would be abysmal when playing from the united states of bad internet... |
| 20:08.11 | Maldivia | Xinhuan: in 6 months, the game will be $25, so just buy a second copy :P |
| 20:08.13 | Iriel | If they didn't enforce region partitioning then you could buy off ANY region, and play "locally" |
| 20:08.28 | Iriel | thus meaning a frachisee who charges "more' than a neighboring one, will lose out |
| 20:08.41 | Xinhuan | that sounds right Iriel |
| 20:08.50 | Xinhuan | the entire SEA region charges a single fixed price |
| 20:09.06 | Fisker | Maldivia not if they made the game region"-unlocked" |
| 20:09.08 | Xinhuan | translated to local prices for each country |
| 20:09.10 | Fisker | that's my point |
| 20:09.31 | Fisker | Unfortunately, there are a multitude of challenges we have to overcome due to the unique regional account and billing options that didn’t exist in the past. But those hurdles aren’t insurmountable, and we are looking into solutions that will allow interested players to obtain access to other regional versions without having to buy another full copy of the game. |
| 20:09.33 | Fisker | see? |
| 20:09.35 | Fisker | Totally ??? |
| 20:09.55 | cbreak | blizzard is dumb... |
| 20:10.08 | Iriel | cbreak: I cant wait to hear this |
| 20:10.10 | cbreak | they don't have to store any personal information in the other regions at all |
| 20:10.24 | cbreak | they could just transfer authentication tokens like kerberos or OpenID |
| 20:10.30 | Tuller | calling people from gmail is delicious |
| 20:10.33 | Iriel | that isn't the problem |
| 20:10.34 | cbreak | then they would not have to deal with those regional account options |
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| 20:10.45 | Fisker | heh cbreak you can still login in from whatever region you want |
| 20:10.46 | cbreak | and billing? come on, battle net is free... |
| 20:10.47 | Fisker | or atleast you could |
| 20:11.00 | Maldivia | Tuller: they need to add an option to send texts/sms as well :P |
| 20:11.03 | Iriel | Part of the cost of the game funds the bnet infrastructure |
| 20:11.04 | Fisker | For example the servers didn't know of each other status of the authenticator |
| 20:11.18 | Fisker | So hackers could keylog your authenticator and use the EU/US/KR servers to login with the same code |
| 20:11.24 | Iriel | Like I said, i'm certain the problem isn't technical |
| 20:11.32 | Fisker | even though you had used it in, for example, EU the hacker could just login using KR |
| 20:11.38 | Tuller | Maldivia: go to labs :p |
| 20:11.43 | cbreak | Fisker: those codes are time based... |
| 20:11.45 | Tuller | Maldivia: then enable sms |
| 20:11.52 | Fisker | i know cbreak |
| 20:11.53 | cbreak | it doesn't matter if they have been used or not |
| 20:11.55 | Maldivia | uhh |
| 20:11.56 | Tuller | i wanna say i've been doing that for a year |
| 20:12.02 | Fisker | not really cbreak |
| 20:12.08 | Fisker | A code is valid for atleast a minute |
| 20:12.17 | Fisker | which has been more than enough in the past |
| 20:12.25 | Iriel | I suspect they just have to figure out what a resonable "access fee" is to compensate 3rd party region administrators for use of their service |
| 20:12.25 | Xinhuan | its actually valid for almost 5 minutes+ |
| 20:12.27 | Fisker | This was the original way hackers "broke" the authenticator |
| 20:12.33 | Fisker | yeah Xinhuan that's what i believe |
| 20:12.38 | Fisker | wasn't entirely sure though |
| 20:12.43 | cbreak | there's no need to do anything cross server with that |
| 20:13.14 | Xinhuan | i believe the regional restrictions stems more from the game distribution problem |
| 20:13.18 | cbreak | if you have a real time key logger, you can use the codes on the same region too |
| 20:13.31 | Fisker | nope they're supposed to be one-time use only |
| 20:13.35 | Fisker | That's the whole point |
| 20:13.36 | cbreak | doesn't matter |
| 20:13.40 | Xinhuan | for example, IAHGames is the company distributing SC2 in SEA - and a certain price is charged |
| 20:13.44 | cbreak | if you have a key logger, you can prevent the first time use |
| 20:13.48 | Fisker | sure |
| 20:13.54 | Xinhuan | its about 20-30% more expensive than the US copy of the game |
| 20:13.54 | Fisker | but back then you didn't have to |
| 20:13.59 | Fisker | bam Xinhuan |
| 20:14.07 | Maldivia | Tuller: now they just need to integrate it with the contacts list, so you can select a person there and opt to text or call |
| 20:14.18 | Xinhuan | without the region lock, everyone will just buy a digital US copy |
| 20:14.18 | Iriel | IAHGames probably funds the datacenter infrastructure (servers, facilities, bandwidth) |
| 20:14.43 | Xinhuan | actually that's not really true |
| 20:14.54 | Iriel | battle net is not insignificant (the company I work for shares a data center with at least part of battle net) |
| 20:15.20 | Tuller | Maldivia: it kindof does that :P |
| 20:15.35 | Xinhuan | well ok partly true, but not really |
| 20:15.41 | cbreak | battle.net does not add much of value to StarCraft |
| 20:15.51 | Xinhuan | the higher costs of the game 20-30% higher is purely to setup bnet in this region |
| 20:15.54 | Maldivia | Tuller: only for people who are on the chat list |
| 20:15.55 | Xinhuan | where previously there wasn't any |
| 20:15.56 | Iriel | It does for the companies selling you the game |
| 20:16.07 | cbreak | it allows insignificant roaming (preserves achievements and coarse state over different computers) |
| 20:16.11 | Iriel | And arguably it does for the player, especially if you move around a lot |
| 20:16.19 | cbreak | and it allows match making in multiplayer |
| 20:16.23 | Iriel | Which is the norm in some regions |
| 20:16.32 | cbreak | but roaming can easily be done locally |
| 20:16.36 | Xinhuan | its been cited that bandwidth costs in this area is about "10x higher than in the states" |
| 20:17.51 | cbreak | I don't think battle.net has a lot of bandwidth requirement |
| 20:17.58 | cbreak | games are p2p |
| 20:18.07 | Tuller | what i want is an out of game battle.net thingy |
| 20:18.09 | cbreak | game states are a few KB at most |
| 20:18.11 | Xinhuan | sc2 isn't p2p |
| 20:18.14 | Xinhuan | sc1 is |
| 20:18.19 | Xinhuan | sc2 is server-client |
| 20:18.20 | cbreak | chat is not there |
| 20:18.21 | Fisker | bandwitdh is cheeeeeeeap |
| 20:18.30 | cbreak | achievements are a few bytes only |
| 20:18.47 | Fisker | like i pay $50 for infinite data, so it should be cheap for Blizzard! |
| 20:18.49 | cbreak | I bet the cost of distributing patches is much bigger than that of providing gameplay infrastructure |
| 20:18.50 | Iriel | Fisker: that depends where you are and how much you need |
| 20:18.55 | Xinhuan | all games, even custom maps are hosted on bnet |
| 20:19.11 | Xinhuan | d2 style basically |
| 20:19.36 | Xinhuan | u can download custom maps without joining any game lobby |
| 20:19.42 | Fisker | then they suck if a client can manipulate the data to drop a player |
| 20:19.50 | Iriel | It's clear some of you are arguing from the point of view of how you think the business of hosting internet services SHOULD work (infinite bandwidth, for almost nothing, servers dont physically exist, companies dont need to pay their employees and shareholders, etc) |
| 20:20.00 | Fisker | oh wait, that works on ladder games too |
| 20:20.01 | Fisker | or did |
| 20:20.02 | Fisker | so they just suck |
| 20:20.03 | Iriel | The current state of affairs is entirely practical and reasonable (and yes, annoying) |
| 20:20.33 | Fisker | I don't see how having no regions changes that |
| 20:20.40 | Iriel | but it's certainly not because blizzard aren't capable of solving some basic technical issues, or because they just want to splinter the world |
| 20:20.41 | Xinhuan | i'm just glad that the 20% higher price is sorta justified now i can access both regions soon |
| 20:21.07 | nevcairiel | only you guys get cross-region, right? |
| 20:21.11 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 20:21.15 | Xinhuan | only goes one-way |
| 20:21.15 | nevcairiel | sucks |
| 20:21.53 | Xinhuan | so for all those ppl who bought NA copy isntead of SEA, and took the time to import it in with shipping costs (ends up about the same price) hehe, sucks |
| 20:21.54 | cbreak | who is "you guys"? |
| 20:21.56 | Fisker | and it's not really cross-region either |
| 20:22.04 | Fisker | you just get a NA license for free |
| 20:22.42 | cbreak | Iriel: what I am arguing is that battle.net is designed wrong |
| 20:25.34 | Maldivia | Tuller: well, the SMS system doesn't work that well, it seems |
| 20:25.53 | Tuller | yeah, its not super clean |
| 20:26.00 | Tuller | your best bet is to send them via google voice right now |
| 20:26.35 | Maldivia | keep getting error that it can't validate the number as a valid mobile number |
| 20:49.44 | Fisker | That was pretty lucky |
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| 20:52.59 | Iriel | cbreak: And I guess i'm saying that I dont think you understand what the requirements were. |
| 20:53.16 | cbreak | I know my requirements :) |
| 20:53.24 | Iriel | (nor necessarily do I, but I can at least conceive of very reasonable requirements that are consistent with the current design) |
| 20:53.43 | cbreak | because blizzard's main requirement was obviously "Only provide the least functionality without authenticating to our servers" |
| 20:55.18 | cbreak | I can't even continue my solo campaign without entering my credentials. |
| 20:55.27 | sylvanaar | anti-piracy |
| 20:55.51 | cbreak | I am not a pirate |
| 20:55.53 | sylvanaar | and since they did that - why not add all the rest |
| 20:56.04 | cbreak | If I were a pirate, I could play without authentificating |
| 20:56.21 | sylvanaar | casual pirates then |
| 20:56.46 | Iriel | People who dont want to be pirates but want to "share" a copy |
| 20:56.55 | sylvanaar | here take my install CD and run on your machine |
| 20:57.02 | Iriel | But really they're just trying to avoid buying two copies |
| 20:57.14 | Iriel | Or you buy it, start your game, then re-sell it |
| 20:57.52 | Fisker | I'm curious why they didn't try to make a model where you could basically just pay $x in a month and have the game for free |
| 20:57.58 | sylvanaar | i am *addicted* to angry birds |
| 20:58.01 | Fisker | well they did |
| 20:58.05 | Fisker | just not here :P |
| 20:58.41 | Fisker | Like you get a free 7-day trial, which you find out when you pirate it, then you maybe purchase a few months of playtime, and then eventually upgrade to a full game |
| 20:59.41 | Iriel | You can already play as guest can't you? |
| 20:59.43 | foxlit | http://tinyurl.com/3yt4wrc << too awesome |
| 20:59.44 | Iriel | WIthout authenticating? |
| 21:01.00 | Iriel | I haven't actually tried it - but I thought that was the purpose of that button |
| 21:01.49 | Fisker | guest mode requires prior battle.net authentication but otherwise yes |
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| 21:11.38 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 21:12.02 | Alram | hI fISKER |
| 21:12.07 | Fisker | no Alram |
| 21:12.14 | Alram | :-( |
| 21:12.17 | Fisker | you have been stopped |
| 21:12.26 | Alram | oh no :( |
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| 21:23.17 | zenzelezz | glares at Steam |
| 21:23.38 | zenzelezz | why are you showing me Mafia II if I am "not permitted to view these materials at this time" |
| 21:24.28 | Fisker | because you failed the agecheck |
| 21:24.32 | Fisker | failure |
| 21:30.18 | cogwheel | oooh my first subscriber! |
| 21:30.23 | cogwheel | Fisker: ppl liek me! |
| 21:30.28 | cogwheel | so mleh! |
| 21:31.51 | zenzelezz | subscriber? I didn't know you ran a porn site |
| 21:33.02 | Dagmar | gnome porn? |
| 21:33.11 | Dagmar | giev codez! |
| 21:34.00 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ_4M8yu0HY |
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| 21:35.22 | Dagmar | Well, it's good to know you're humble. :) |
| 21:35.31 | Dagmar | "Hi, I'm cogwheel, and I suck at StarCraft" |
| 21:35.35 | Dagmar | I like it. |
| 21:35.53 | cogwheel | :) |
| 21:36.13 | zenzelezz | why did I not discover Company of Heroes until now? I'm usually quick to pick up WW2 RTS games |
| 21:36.57 | Dagmar | Argh. Two swedish girls sitting next to me at the cafe. |
| 21:37.13 | Dagmar | Word salad hurts mah brane |
| 21:38.42 | cogwheel | i no rite? |
| 21:39.13 | cogwheel | you know, so, anyway, you know, |
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| 21:51.28 | Fisker | i made out with your mother cogwheel |
| 21:51.39 | flugh | there's an app for that |
| 21:51.48 | cogwheel | k |
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| 21:53.24 | Fisker | sweet |
| 21:55.21 | cogwheel | Fisker: my dog made out with your mom |
| 21:55.38 | flugh | any opinions on windows+wow+pspad for devel vs. linux+wine+wow+all that linux coding free goodness? i'd like to tinker with the UI, not sure if windows enough of what i need available for free |
| 21:57.30 | Dagmar | Well, if your machine is kinda beefy you don't have to make that choice |
| 21:57.31 | flugh | kind of an old fart C/php/mysql hack, not much of a coder. no vstudio or anything |
| 21:58.03 | Dagmar | You can run WIndows and fire up Linux in a VM or vice-versa |
| 21:58.11 | flugh | i currently have an ubuntu/win7 dualboot, no vmware type stuff though. not sure my notebook can turn that kind of juice |
| 21:58.41 | Dagmar | You might be happier with virtualBox. It's easier to set up |
| 21:58.56 | Dagmar | Just *don't* use the VM to double-mount disks. |
| 21:59.03 | flugh | just wondering if there's a 'omg yes do the linux thing and run this' or anything. *sigh* dunno guess i'm just bored. frickin loremaster makes me want to die |
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| 21:59.41 | Dagmar | For me it's LInux all the way because I'm too used to being able to do stuff to files through the command line and cygwin is a bit annoying that way |
| 22:00.08 | Dagmar | I just use Samba to expose a shared filesystem |
| 22:00.28 | Fisker | oh sweet cogwheel |
| 22:03.25 | flugh | thanks for the feedback. been a couple years since linux was my primary OS. guess since i started playing WOW. sort of took the adventurer out of me, and had me too busy grinding furbolgs |
| 22:04.06 | flugh | well, guess that would be four years. egads, i've lost a couple years. friggin blizzard /shakefist |
| 22:07.58 | Dagmar | You will be SUPER pleased with Ubuntu then |
| 22:08.08 | Dagmar | A little money spent went a looong way there. |
| 22:08.21 | Dagmar | It's stupid-simple to set up now. |
| 22:08.39 | Dagmar | ...just don't expect WINE to work all that well out of the box |
| 22:08.52 | cbreak | At work I have a Mac Pro and a Win7 box for programming |
| 22:09.06 | cbreak | most of the time I work on the mac to write cross platform (Qt) tools |
| 22:09.17 | flugh | i ran wow with it pretty easily before, it can't be too awful bad. got a 'real' video chip in this notebook, so it's pretty painless |
| 22:09.25 | Dagmar | I'm using a dinky virtualbox setup at work to get arount the WIn7-ness |
| 22:09.29 | cbreak | and use the windows only for specific things like writing for those embedded chips or doing windows testing |
| 22:09.50 | cbreak | to be able to work with both interchangeably, I have installed synergy server on the mac and synergy client on the pc |
| 22:10.17 | cbreak | so I have 3 screens and can move my mouse and keyboard focus seamlessly between the windows and the os x screens |
| 22:10.32 | cbreak | even with wrapp-around :) |
| 22:10.39 | flugh | good grief |
| 22:10.44 | cbreak | I tried VMWare but that was not as fast |
| 22:11.06 | cbreak | and it lacked support for some of the more esoteric things I have to code for like PtGrey cams |
| 22:12.28 | cbreak | (A coworker said my desk looked like the cockpit of a space shuttle. I am not sure if he knows how those look like...) |
| 22:12.57 | Dagmar | You need more keyboards |
| 22:13.07 | Dagmar | ...although that new G510 could probably sufice |
| 22:13.11 | Dagmar | er suffice |
| 22:13.38 | cbreak | I need to use the keyboard on windows to enter passwords |
| 22:13.43 | cbreak | UAC seems to block synergy |
| 22:13.51 | cbreak | and of course, synergy does not run before login |
| 22:14.11 | cbreak | but for most, I can use the keyboard and mouse on the mac |
| 22:14.45 | cbreak | (my next experiment will be to install a VNC client on my iPad and control both computers from the garden) |
| 22:16.11 | flugh | you might need some help |
| 22:16.14 | flugh | ;) |
| 22:17.49 | Dagmar | Getcha one of those USB Doomsday devices from ThinkGeek and see what they think of that |
| 22:19.22 | cbreak | oh, my supervisor has much cooler toys |
| 22:20.14 | Dagmar | USB-powered DNA replication tank? |
| 22:20.21 | cbreak | a video projector of the size of a mobile phone |
| 22:20.30 | Dagmar | AAXA? |
| 22:20.42 | Dagmar | I was looking into those just yesterday |
| 22:21.02 | Dagmar | The littlest one isn't worth bothering with, but the P2 isn't half bad |
| 22:21.30 | Dagmar | ALl the other manufs seem to be refusing to even consider LED lighting. I guess they're too hooked on those replacement bulkb margins. |
| 22:21.51 | cbreak | http://www.3m.com/mpro/ |
| 22:22.06 | cbreak | an other coworker claimed to have a similar product but with laser projection |
| 22:22.11 | cbreak | and therefore independent of focusing |
| 22:22.15 | cbreak | but I haven't seen that one |
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| 22:23.27 | Dagmar | That one is made by AAXA |
| 22:23.33 | Iriel | Isn't that dangerous at any useful power level? |
| 22:23.47 | Dagmar | The AAXA p2 is 33 lumens and about half the price of that 3M one. He should look into it |
| 22:24.02 | Dagmar | Iriel: When has it ever been a good idea to stare into the lens of a projector? |
| 22:24.40 | Iriel | There's a difference between 'stare into' and 'be hit by a reflected beam from' |
| 22:24.40 | Dagmar | Someone was selling the p1 on craigslist yesterday so I went a'Googling on all that stuff again |
| 22:25.27 | Dagmar | Well I think with the spreader it's probably not likel to reduce ones eyes to a ruin from a casual glance |
| 22:25.45 | cbreak | it's a projector, not a laser etcher |
| 22:26.41 | Iriel | tell that to an eyeball |
| 22:26.46 | Dagmar | 'Now that would be useful for a whole 'nother type of thing |
| 22:26.54 | Dagmar | On the spot vandalism of brick walls |
| 22:27.02 | Dagmar | *ZAP* tagged! |
| 22:27.24 | cbreak | http://www.microvision.com/showwx/overview.html |
| 22:27.56 | Iriel | High resolution (WVGA 848x480) brings out every detail |
| 22:28.02 | Iriel | I hate marketers |
| 22:28.19 | cbreak | that's not even HD |
| 22:28.41 | Dagmar | http://www.aaxatech.com/products/l1_laser_pico_projector.htm |
| 22:29.18 | Dagmar | Good to see there's competition in that market |
| 22:29.54 | cbreak | are you sure aaxa is still alive? |
| 22:30.00 | cbreak | "The L1 LASER PCOS projector is available for pre-order and begins shipping February12, 2009. Due to the scarcity of laser diodes supplies are extremely limited. Pre-orders are now being accepted through our website." |
| 22:30.07 | cbreak | it doesn't seem they update their pages |
| 22:30.11 | Dagmar | Good question |
| 22:30.36 | Dagmar | They're still swirling around the used electronics markets at least |
| 22:30.48 | Dagmar | I get bit irked at even looking at used projectors now |
| 22:30.59 | Dagmar | Too many people are selling them with their original bulb that has like, an hour left on it |
| 22:31.29 | cbreak | neither the M3 nor the laser projector uses bulbs |
| 22:31.29 | Dagmar | A $400 projector for $200 is not a deal when you're a week away from having to bu a $500 bulb |
| 22:32.15 | Dagmar | This is why I'm looking into only LED-driven ones and those that can be converted |
| 22:32.33 | cbreak | we have a big projector in our multimedia/teleconferencing room |
| 22:32.39 | Dagmar | An LED conversion might fade over time like an LED does but at least they don't explode and take out hte color wheel |
| 22:32.40 | cbreak | with high power bulbs |
| 22:32.54 | cbreak | but for anything portable, those are way too power/weight dependent |
| 22:33.05 | Dagmar | Ah so you're used to seeing secretaries yelp at the price of bulbs |
| 22:33.20 | Dagmar | We've got two big projectors hanging from the ceiling running 24/7 at the office |
| 22:33.24 | cbreak | no. we're very new. |
| 22:33.33 | cbreak | the multimedia room was finished a month ago or so |
| 22:33.51 | Dagmar | *don't* let them ignore the bulb timer when it runs out |
| 22:34.14 | Dagmar | Those bulbs *can* just shatter and render the projector ready for the trash heap |
| 22:34.20 | Adys | Cide: ping |
| 22:34.42 | Dagmar | ...specially if some loon actually touched the bulb when they installed it. |
| 22:36.28 | Fisker | Moorestown me |
| 22:37.07 | Cide | Adys: pong |
| 22:37.17 | Adys | Cide: worms? ffa-3 with amro |
| 22:37.29 | Cide | ok |
| 22:39.07 | Fisker | doesn't have worms apparently :( |
| 22:39.17 | Cide | Adys: get skype first |
| 22:39.31 | Adys | Cide, amro doesnt have skype and im not skyping for games. |
| 22:39.43 | Cide | skype is superior to mumble |
| 22:39.49 | Cide | for games or otherwise |
| 22:39.50 | Dagmar | pfft |
| 22:39.55 | Adys | dude what. |
| 22:40.01 | Adys | skype is super-heavy on bandwidth |
| 22:40.05 | Cide | who cares_ |
| 22:40.06 | Cide | ? |
| 22:40.13 | Adys | people who lag care |
| 22:40.13 | Adys | :P |
| 22:40.22 | Cide | I thought everyone had 10 mbit+ |
| 22:40.31 | Adys | amro is still on a 56k or something |
| 22:40.34 | Adys | get on mumble |
| 22:40.48 | Spejnar | ofc everyone has 100/100 |
| 22:40.49 | Fisker | lol skype |
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| 22:41.02 | Fisker | skype is for cammers and those went to chatroulette Cide |
| 22:41.04 | Fisker | get with the program |
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| 22:41.13 | Spejnar | we use skype for 10man raiding, works perfectly |
| 22:41.29 | Fisker | I will kill you Spejnar |
| 22:41.37 | Fisker | and your 9 other raiders |
| 22:41.43 | Ackis | Shirik: halp |
| 22:41.49 | Spejnar | Fisker: bring it! |
| 22:41.53 | Shirik | Ackis? |
| 22:42.00 | Adys | Shirik: get worms |
| 22:42.05 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:42.10 | Adys | shut up and get it |
| 22:42.17 | Fisker | gives Shirik worms |
| 22:42.30 | Ackis | the guild I apped to is trying to tell me to swap out 5/5 empowered healing for 3/3 blessed resilience and 2/2 Body & Soul |
| 22:42.47 | Fisker | yeah? |
| 22:42.49 | Spejnar | ehm |
| 22:43.46 | Spejnar | body and soul is EPIC |
| 22:44.40 | Fisker | i just pwnt a macfag |
| 22:44.42 | Fisker | haters gonna hate |
| 22:44.52 | Spejnar | let me ask my priest encyclopedia |
| 22:45.35 | Shirik | they're fucking morons Ackis |
| 22:45.39 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.51 | haste | body & soul is okey, but not dire in any way |
| 22:45.57 | Fisker | wat! |
| 22:46.00 | haste | it can get people out of fuck-ups tho' |
| 22:46.02 | Fisker | body & soul is epic :( |
| 22:46.05 | Shirik | blessed resilience is awful for raids |
| 22:46.16 | Ackis | Shirik: http://corruptwowguild.wowstead.com/forums/thread/1409 |
| 22:46.22 | Fisker | it's pretty fucking awesome on halion for example |
| 22:46.25 | Spejnar | my priest is telling me they are right |
| 22:46.31 | Spejnar | or not |
| 22:46.39 | Spejnar | hmm |
| 22:47.02 | Fisker | Probably better talents to take off to get body and soul :P |
| 22:47.27 | Fisker | But it's nice to have 1 per raid |
| 22:47.28 | haste | too many good talents on priest specs :P |
| 22:47.36 | Spejnar | his confusing spec http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Zenedar&cn=Mudclone&group=1 |
| 22:48.31 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=ravencrest&cn=Fimse <-our B&S healer |
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| 22:50.20 | cbreak | beware of the cataclysm |
| 22:50.27 | cbreak | there will only be 3 specs left |
| 22:50.45 | Spejnar | ye |
| 22:50.49 | Ackis | Fisker: that spec doesn't even have blessed resilience :P |
| 22:50.54 | Spejnar | there seem to be quite a few priest specs |
| 22:50.57 | Spejnar | that actually works |
| 22:51.03 | Spejnar | unlike most other classes |
| 22:51.12 | cbreak | have you looked at the mage trees? |
| 22:51.28 | Spejnar | a bit |
| 22:51.34 | Fisker | haters gonna hate Ackis |
| 22:51.48 | cbreak | there is almost no possibility of variation |
| 22:51.57 | Ackis | seems people want to turn me into a flash heal spammer |
| 22:52.10 | Ackis | evolution of raiding has gone 100% |
| 22:52.18 | Ackis | that's what I did in MC, but I had a healing macro |
| 22:52.36 | Spejnar | Ackis: id stick with what you know and how you play and tell em, "I am teh shit, inv naow" |
| 22:52.51 | cbreak | in the last 6 weeks I played about as much WoW as I did in two or three days a year ago |
| 22:52.53 | Spejnar | or just spam em 6k+ GS, pro as fuck |
| 22:52.59 | Fisker | man this was awesome |
| 22:53.05 | Fisker | you know what is awesome Ackis? |
| 22:53.08 | Maldivia | Ackis: it's still better than EQ, where you had x healers chain casting full heal, so they would land every second, every 2 second or what ever the encounter required :P |
| 22:57.07 | ccox | Worgen never have to worry about male pattern baldness |
| 23:11.31 | Ackis | Fisker: I kinda like that priest spec, no blessed resilience which is what is hanging me up real badly |
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| 23:29.17 | Ackis | Fisker: ever play a RTS on an xbox? |
| 23:30.52 | zenzelezz | sounds painful |
| 23:31.52 | Ackis | it is' |
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| 23:38.34 | Tuller | sc2 on my macbook does not seem to work very well |
| 23:39.04 | Tuller | though oddly, I like the look of the low quality settings |
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| 23:47.31 | Ackis | what's a good hot/dot timer? |
| 23:48.08 | PProvost | InlineAuras |
| 23:48.12 | PProvost | is what I use |
| 23:48.22 | PProvost | Not so good for hots tho |
| 23:49.38 | Ackis | I used hotcandy but doesn't really help me when I'm in shadow form |
| 23:51.05 | cog|away | I did another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3ivDw51Zio |
| 23:51.16 | cog|away | |aways |
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| 23:52.15 | zenzelezz | one does not simply pipe into away |
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| 23:52.43 | Ackis | did they release a "gold" edition of cataclysm CE? |
| 23:54.31 | Dagmar | Dont' give those people your credit card number. |
| 23:54.49 | Ackis | that's what I'm saying |
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