| 00:00.29 | A-KO | no |
| 00:00.31 | A-KO | it's not |
| 00:00.33 | A-KO | I don't eat baby chickens |
| 00:00.34 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:00.42 | A-KO | with bones |
| 00:00.45 | A-KO | when I scramble my eggs |
| 00:00.50 | Shirik | yes you do |
| 00:00.55 | Shirik | they're just not developed yet |
| 00:01.28 | A-KO | there's a level of development I want my egg to be at--which is yolk + white, that's it--anything beyond that is off the table |
| 00:02.11 | foxlit | Why does the phrase "believed to be an aphrodisiac" appear on both of those links? |
| 00:02.38 | Shirik | http://narf-archive.com/pix/37b235b6d7d43e93a289b682d96fb9906d63f85a.jpeg |
| 00:02.50 | Shirik | foxlit: I wondered the same |
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| 00:06.04 | Kraps | A-KO: pfft, an asteroid crash would make this planet more interesting |
| 00:06.27 | Shirik | ^ |
| 00:06.39 | Shirik | especially if it hit north korea |
| 00:06.57 | foxlit | Too close to south korea. |
| 00:07.25 | Corrodias | eww |
| 00:08.20 | A-KO | more than likely it'd hit an ocean and cause some pretty nasty tsunamis--but aside from that, I'd say it has a pretty good bet of hitting Russia or China |
| 00:12.45 | Kraps | Shirik: oh that footpad is fake |
| 00:12.52 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:13.04 | Shirik | read the bottom :P |
| 00:13.07 | Kraps | DUDE YOU NEVER KNOW WITH THEM |
| 00:13.14 | NightHawkTheSane | rages a little bit |
| 00:14.39 | Kraps | apple-heads would make that fly off the shelves |
| 00:15.21 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5623033/u-of-florida-adds-starcraft-studies |
| 00:19.16 | foxlit | why oh why are the sc2 pressshots so old? |
| 00:27.34 | Kraps | foxlit: your mom? |
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| 00:31.09 | Cide | Shirik: yeah, I think that was top 1 or top 2 on the cracked list |
| 00:42.49 | Tuller | i really wish that footpad was real |
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| 00:47.28 | foxlit_ | blinks |
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| 00:59.47 | DWSR | Alright. |
| 01:02.37 | DWSR | Just installed all my components into a CoolerMaster HAF 932 |
| 01:02.39 | DWSR | Holy tits. |
| 01:02.47 | DWSR | I'm so glad I updated to a case from this decade. |
| 01:02.48 | |Jelly| | pictures of hooks! |
| 01:02.59 | Arrowmaster | i dont like the HAF |
| 01:03.00 | DWSR | Oh, yeah. Sec. |
| 01:03.06 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: What don't you like? |
| 01:03.07 | Arrowmaster | i prefer my stackers |
| 01:03.09 | |Jelly| | 800D = <333 |
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| 01:04.31 | DWSR | So nice to have a power button that functions on my case now./ |
| 01:04.33 | DWSR | Holy shit.\ |
| 01:04.48 | DWSR | Old case was so old the power button was incompatible with the mobo connector. |
| 01:06.46 | foxlit_ | ?! |
| 01:06.53 | foxlit_ | The power button is a pair of wires. |
| 01:07.03 | foxlit_ | I'm not sure how you could be incompatible with that. |
| 01:07.11 | Cide | the electricity was incompatible |
| 01:07.20 | Cide | the case was using the old kind |
| 01:18.40 | Yssaril | Cide: there is a second kind of electricity? does it still use electrons? |
| 01:18.51 | Cide | positrons |
| 01:22.14 | Arrowmaster | AC and DC are two different kinds of electricity |
| 01:22.44 | Arrowmaster | DC used to be referred to as Edisons electricity back when his company was selling DC and another company was selling AC |
| 01:23.29 | Arrowmaster | eventually the company selling AC power to houses won out and Edisons company folded i think |
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| 01:29.54 | Cide | it's the same electricity though |
| 01:30.06 | Arrowmaster | it wasnt then |
| 01:30.43 | Yssaril | good thing that AC won out too DC is crap for transmission over long distances |
| 01:30.54 | Cide | sure it was |
| 01:30.56 | Cide | the science is the same |
| 01:31.27 | Cide | was just novelty |
| 01:31.32 | Arrowmaster | you should have seen the marketing from then though |
| 01:31.54 | Cide | yeah, I'm sure |
| 01:32.00 | Arrowmaster | edison was cutthrought in slamming AC for being dangerous |
| 01:32.03 | Cide | wikipedia has an article on the war of currents |
| 01:32.32 | Arrowmaster | and this was before it was possible to convert ac to dc in the house |
| 01:35.28 | Yssaril | high power DC is way more dangerous than AC though |
| 01:38.15 | Arrowmaster | neither is dangerous, the only thing that is dangerous is amps |
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| 01:38.55 | Yssaril | true but i rather get zapped via AC than DC |
| 01:39.33 | Arrowmaster | i had a highschool teacher that said he got shocked by 340 3phase before |
| 01:39.43 | Yssaril | ouch |
| 01:40.24 | Arrowmaster | he was lucky, he wasnt following the one hand behind your back rule at the time |
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| 01:46.47 | Dagmar | AC, DC, the difference generally doesn't mean a damn thing. |
| 01:47.08 | Dagmar | It's amperes that will turn your arm and most of your chest into a bacon-scented mist if you fuck up. |
| 01:47.16 | the-golem | ^^ |
| 01:47.22 | the-golem | This. |
| 01:47.49 | Dagmar | I was *acutely* aware of this about ten minutes ago as I re-racked about 15U worth of APC rack-mounted batteries |
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| 01:49.16 | Yssaril | Dagmar: in a highvoltage high amprage situations DC tends to make your muscels contract so you cant let go of what you touched with AC there is a slim chance you could get lose between cycles |
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| 01:49.50 | Dagmar | I've got news for you. 30A of AC and 30A of DC are both sending you to ICU. |
| 01:50.25 | Dagmar | Always assume there's enough voltage to up and kill you. |
| 01:51.03 | Dagmar | The thinking that "there's a chance you could get loose between cycles" is how people find out who your beneficiary is. |
| 01:51.21 | Yssaril | :P |
| 01:51.38 | Yssaril | hell a couple of mA can kill you if you do it right |
| 01:51.45 | Dagmar | I'm serious. 60Hz? It takes longer than one cycle of that for your muscles to relax |
| 01:52.16 | Dagmar | We're all 208VAC here and 30A circuits as far as the eye can see. |
| 01:52.45 | Dagmar | The main uPSes are the size of a minivan. |
| 01:53.11 | Dagmar | Something like 40 batteries in them each the size of the one in someone's car and much more powerful |
| 01:53.39 | Dagmar | I've had one near miss here. I don't intend to have another. |
| 01:54.23 | Dagmar | NEVER trust a UPS sales tech who tells you the batteries are shipped uncharged. |
| 01:54.26 | Dagmar | That is just bullshit. |
| 01:54.40 | Yssaril | lol |
| 01:55.07 | Dagmar | We got the new behemoth installed, and the Fire Marshall decided it needed to be 1/4 inch further from the wall. |
| 01:55.10 | Dagmar | Yes, he is a dick. |
| 01:55.33 | Dagmar | I had to unload all those batteries one at a time so that we could move the chassis |
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| 01:56.15 | Dagmar | ONE wasn't flat, and the "pigtail" (a piece of cable as thick as your pinky and a foot long) casually falls over and shorts the one in my hands when I was about five from the end |
| 01:56.29 | DWSR | |Jelly|: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs428.snc4/47115_10150239065565372_506115371_14604449_1624230_n.jpg |
| 01:56.38 | DWSR | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs393.snc4/45643_10150239065855372_506115371_14604451_1814728_n.jpg |
| 01:56.43 | Dagmar | It took a moment for my sight to return. Then I was counting my extremeties a few times, just to be sure |
| 01:56.49 | Xyphoid | our UPSs scared the hell out of me, i'm so glad they're gone |
| 01:57.10 | Dagmar | Yeah they made it clear to us that if ther'es a problem with the UPS, get the hell away from it. It'll make a crater. |
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| 01:58.47 | Dagmar | Stuff like this is why I'm so pissed at the scooter repair shop for the guy who keeps carping that my amp might be causing the scooter problems. |
| 01:59.05 | Dagmar | It uses 4A. The stator (equiv. to a car's alternator) produces 90A at speed. |
| 01:59.16 | |Jelly| | DWSR: lewl |
| 01:59.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: I work at a rollercoaster. |
| 01:59.35 | DWSR | Dagmar: The mains we have at work actually cause interference close to them. |
| 01:59.35 | Dagmar | The guy doesn't seem to realize that I *know* that end of things well. If I eff up something like that at work, shit bursts into flames and THE INTERNETS STOP |
| 01:59.54 | DWSR | |Jelly|: Yes. Hooks, what the fuck. |
| 02:00.17 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yeah we just got a new transformer in the building and I'm glad it's in it's own little room where it can sing softly to itself |
| 02:00.39 | DWSR | yeah, we have hydro mains in our crew shed. |
| 02:00.47 | DWSR | They're loud and I feel like I'm getting cancer being near them. |
| 02:02.14 | DWSR | It takes the same amount of electricity to run our ride for a day as it does to power the city that the park is located in for a year. |
| 02:02.15 | Dagmar | 100 years from now they'll probably figure out what it does and it'll likely be something even stranger than cancer. |
| 02:02.35 | DWSR | And note I said city. |
| 02:02.45 | Dagmar | Are you firing cars into orbit? |
| 02:02.46 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:02.50 | Jerub | what's a ride? |
| 02:02.54 | Dagmar | That's a positvely heroic amount of juice. :) |
| 02:03.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: I work at Canada's Wonderland. |
| 02:03.39 | Dagmar | Oh... Canada |
| 02:03.43 | DWSR | http://canadaswonderland.com/ |
| 02:05.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i remember seeing commercials for that, way back when i lived on that side of country |
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| 02:10.52 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: so, MJ 2.0? |
| 02:11.05 | DWSR | ? |
| 02:11.27 | Thunder_Child | michael jackson |
| 02:11.35 | Thunder_Child | oh...nvm |
| 02:11.40 | Thunder_Child | wonderland != neverland |
| 02:12.08 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560839637&postId=265582604691&sid=2000#5 |
| 02:12.45 | bluspacecow | my almost 5 year old computer will not run cata - before it get released a pre-patch will disable support altogether IE the game will not run. |
| 02:12.48 | bluspacecow | QQ |
| 02:15.12 | KarlKFI | gaming with a 5yr old computer is rarely a good idea |
| 02:15.29 | KarlKFI | even if it did run, you get like 5 fps? |
| 02:15.37 | |Jelly| | It's not like WoW is cutting edge though. :-\ |
| 02:15.39 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:15.56 | KarlKFI | You're taking wow for granted |
| 02:16.03 | KarlKFI | it's not the graphics that cause the load |
| 02:16.20 | DWSR | No. |
| 02:16.28 | DWSR | It's the stupid amount of onscreen polygons. |
| 02:16.30 | bluspacecow | nooooo |
| 02:16.32 | DWSR | And I mean stupid. |
| 02:16.38 | bluspacecow | i gets 9 in dalaran |
| 02:16.41 | bluspacecow | :\ |
| 02:16.53 | KarlKFI | You ever try running BWL on a first gen MacPro? |
| 02:17.02 | bluspacecow | not yet |
| 02:17.06 | bluspacecow | is it interesting ? |
| 02:17.10 | bluspacecow | in the chinese curse way ? |
| 02:17.10 | KarlKFI | scratch that, G5 |
| 02:17.17 | KarlKFI | which is what i had at the time |
| 02:18.14 | KarlKFI | Razorgore would give me 3ish fps |
| 02:18.27 | bluspacecow | 5 |
| 02:18.29 | bluspacecow | for razors |
| 02:18.42 | bluspacecow | luckily i was fail DPS on that fight |
| 02:18.43 | KarlKFI | because there's, as DWSR said, a stupid amount of polygons on screan |
| 02:18.55 | Xyphoid | mm, aq20 on my old p2 |
| 02:18.57 | bluspacecow | just point me in his direction and I would just press buttons |
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| 02:19.27 | KarlKFI | pretty much. I had to run auto cast mods to play |
| 02:19.45 | KarlKFI | i forget what the flavor of the day was |
| 02:19.54 | Xyphoid | camera facing the floor on rajaxx and spamming 1 until my fps went back up past 1 |
| 02:20.11 | Corrodias | new drivers are a success |
| 02:20.13 | KarlKFI | mash 1 button and it'd auto pick what spell to cast |
| 02:20.30 | DWSR | Ahh auto cast macros. |
| 02:20.35 | DWSR | I remember those. |
| 02:20.40 | DWSR | Mine consisted of /cast Shadow Bolt |
| 02:21.12 | bluspacecow | yeah the fight would happen all I would see would be slide show stuff then end |
| 02:24.04 | Corrodias | this scammer went a little overboard with the email subject. "The investigation will be continued by Blizzard administration to determine the action to be taken against , To ensure the legitimacy of your account." |
| 02:24.51 | bluspacecow | I've noticed now some are faking the Return-Path field now |
| 02:24.54 | bluspacecow | they didn't used to |
| 02:25.15 | bluspacecow | used to be "open full headers of email" see yahoo.com email in return-path field |
| 02:25.34 | Corrodias | :( |
| 02:25.38 | bluspacecow | you gotta watch a different field now |
| 02:25.52 | bluspacecow | it wil say (xx.xxx.xxx.xx is not a supported IP address to send) |
| 02:25.54 | bluspacecow | hang on |
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| 02:25.58 | bluspacecow | let me get an example |
| 02:26.40 | Corrodias | sure |
| 02:26.52 | Corrodias | just replaced his video drivers and is all giddy on that "everything is working nicely" high |
| 02:27.30 | Corrodias | "you mean it's not a real beta invite?" http://images.4chan.org/fa/src/1282875930862.jpg |
| 02:27.41 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 02:28.20 | Corrodias | tosses firefox in a VM to try him out some vertical tabbage |
| 02:28.21 | Shirik | wtf is /fa/ |
| 02:28.29 | bluspacecow | fap ! |
| 02:28.38 | Corrodias | fashion, apparently |
| 02:28.42 | DWSR | Corrodias: vertical tabs...I wish I could get those working in Chrome. |
| 02:28.55 | bluspacecow | http://boards.4chan.org/fa/ |
| 02:29.23 | Corrodias | that picture accompanied the text "why does everyone use aim... god damn" |
| 02:30.05 | Corrodias | firefox has a few features (mostly because of addons, i think) that i can't quite get in chrome yet. i'm hoping some day that both will be good for me. |
| 02:31.11 | Corrodias | of course i can't just try out an addon in my existing firefox. it would have to replace another one or two, and that would be -inconvenient-! perfect time for a VM, i say. |
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| 02:32.46 | Bruners | Corrodias: vertical tabs, eod |
| 02:32.59 | Thunder_Child | the new chrome is supposed to have some nifty stuff |
| 02:33.03 | Dagmar | They need to do a damn master keyring password |
| 02:33.53 | Thunder_Child | keypass |
| 02:35.08 | Corrodias | i'm used to very specific behavior when it comes to opening, sorting, and closing tabs. |
| 02:35.51 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: I wish it integrated with Chrome. |
| 02:44.26 | Wobin | +1 vertical tabs |
| 02:44.45 | Wobin | vertical tabs are -awesome- |
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| 02:47.17 | bleeter | http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/ |
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| 02:47.49 | Corrodias | goes ahead and switche sto a vertical tab addon |
| 02:48.29 | Bruners | http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_treestyletab.html.en |
| 02:49.49 | Corrodias | i grabbed Tab Kit because of FEATURES FEATURES GOTTA HAVE MORE |
| 02:49.59 | bluspacecow | kk finally got it corrodias |
| 02:50.00 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/naughty%20email.txt |
| 02:50.11 | Corrodias | i mean, because it was on the top of the list and could sort tabs how i want |
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| 02:51.01 | Corrodias | bluspacecow: cool |
| 02:51.08 | Corrodias | i haven't figured out how to see the full headers in hotmail. though i don't use hotmail for that. |
| 02:52.01 | Corrodias | but i shall give these other tab addons a shot while i'm at it |
| 02:52.13 | bluspacecow | need to look at the Received-SPF field and the Authentication-Results filed |
| 02:52.23 | bluspacecow | "spf=hardfail (google.com: domain of WOWAccountAdmin@blizzard.com does not designate 123.148.34.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=WOWAccountAdmin@blizzard.com" |
| 02:52.37 | bluspacecow | if you run 123.148.34.27 through a whois search it returns a chinese domain |
| 02:52.46 | bluspacecow | ~whois 123.148.34.27 |
| 02:52.59 | bluspacecow | purl ? |
| 02:53.01 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 02:54.00 | bluspacecow | http://whois.domaintools.com/123.148.34.27 |
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| 02:54.42 | kd3 | woot! Kill 'Em With Sleep Deprivation is still in cataclysm |
| 02:54.49 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 02:54.54 | bluspacecow | linkage ! |
| 02:55.16 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Kill_%27Em_With_Sleep_Deprivation |
| 02:56.47 | cog|away | hmm... apparently i'm too good at economy. need to spend more on units |
| 02:57.05 | Corrodias | it will take a while to get used to the tabs being on the left |
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| 03:21.09 | mikma | http://www.davidlebovitz.com/2008/03/candied-bacon-i-1/ |
| 03:22.08 | Corrodias | mother fucker, even with this addon, external links are opening tabs at the very end of the row |
| 03:22.44 | Thunder_Child | which addon? |
| 03:22.57 | Corrodias | "tab kit" |
| 03:23.07 | Corrodias | tab mix plus managed to wrangle them in next to the current tab |
| 03:23.08 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: chrome or ff? |
| 03:23.11 | Corrodias | FF |
| 03:23.12 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 03:23.23 | Thunder_Child | yes, tab mix does, thats why i lilke it |
| 03:23.28 | Thunder_Child | like* |
| 03:29.29 | bluspacecow | hey six |
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| 03:36.22 | Kraps | DAMMIT http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11105918 |
| 03:39.03 | Dagmar | Kraps: You're upset about that, why? |
| 03:39.16 | Dagmar | Were you the reason the North Koreans caught that guy? |
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| 03:39.34 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 03:39.45 | bluspacecow | he was chasing kraps and both were naked |
| 03:40.55 | Dagmar | I thought they just shot you there for that |
| 03:41.40 | Jerub | i use uh. |
| 03:41.54 | Jerub | "Tree Style Tab" |
| 03:42.04 | Jerub | but some of the other guys here use "Tab Kit Plus" or something |
| 03:42.19 | Dagmar | Crane Style Tab is the superior school! it will defeat you! |
| 03:42.38 | Dagmar | </lipsynch> |
| 03:43.33 | bluspacecow | *mouth moves out of synch , no sound coming out* |
| 03:43.42 | bluspacecow | "LOLZ" |
| 03:44.04 | Kraps | bluspacecow: huh? |
| 03:44.21 | Jerub | ææèä½ |
| 03:44.27 | bluspacecow | bad dub lip syncing |
| 03:44.42 | Kraps | [11:39:46]<bluspacecow>he was chasing kraps and both were naked |
| 03:45.00 | bluspacecow | im kidding :_ |
| 03:45.19 | Kraps | in what context was that? |
| 03:45.57 | bluspacecow | "Were you the reason the North Koreans caught that guy?" |
| 03:46.18 | bluspacecow | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/efe5ce28-43af-45f6-8801-2c4e65307194.jpg |
| 03:47.12 | Kraps | it just makes me sick at the way we get played by despots |
| 03:47.23 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 03:48.42 | Corrodias | scowls at these vertical tabs not looking so great in a lot of themes/personas |
| 03:49.13 | bluspacecow | *reads green arrow graphic novel* |
| 03:49.28 | bluspacecow | this is inspiring me to level my hunter .. judd winick ftw |
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| 04:00.09 | Dagmar | Oh wow. |
| 04:00.26 | Dagmar | MPEG LA finally caved. |
| 04:01.16 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 04:01.16 | Dagmar | Looks like VP8 has some work to do to stay relevant if h.264 will remain royalty free for good. |
| 04:01.23 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 04:01.26 | kd3 | "free" |
| 04:01.40 | Dagmar | Yeah we were all expecting them to go all submarine like some sleazy Unisys lawyer |
| 04:02.00 | kd3 | meh, there still is no such thing as a free h264 encoder |
| 04:02.09 | kd3 | only web-viewing is free if people don't have to pay for it |
| 04:02.19 | Dagmar | Ah... |
| 04:02.54 | Dagmar | Well, here's to hoping Google gets some more logs under the VP8 fire soon then. |
| 04:14.01 | Arrowmaster | "Despite the fervour of some, the dark secret of every GNU/Linux distribution is that, until August 18 this year, it depended on software that was under a non-Free license â incompatible with the Open Source Definition and non-Free according to Debian and the FSF. A long tale of tenacity and software archeology has finally led to that software appearing under the 3-clause BSD license â ironically, at |
| 04:14.07 | bluspacecow | wtf |
| 04:14.08 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.09 | bluspacecow | cata beta client has 2 binaries in its Contents/MacOS (inside the package) |
| 04:14.11 | Arrowmaster | why even mention Debian? |
| 04:14.15 | bluspacecow | thats just weird |
| 04:14.21 | Arrowmaster | Debian doesnt even use Glibc |
| 04:15.37 | bleeter | http://i.imgur.com/32VGU.gif |
| 04:16.13 | Arrowmaster | i think they got tired of Dreppers bullshit of not caring about ARM |
| 04:16.42 | bluspacecow | @bleeter headshot ! |
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| 04:18.05 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 04:19.55 | bluspacecow | an apporiate caption for that gif is "pwned" right when the ball hits |
| 04:20.25 | Arrowmaster | "MPEG LA has announced that free h264 content (vs. paid h264 content which will still have royalties) will be royalty free forever. With ubiquitous h264 support on mobile devices, personal computers and all other types of media devices, this assures that h264 will remain the de facto standard for video playback for the foreseeable future." |
| 04:20.30 | Arrowmaster | that is not news |
| 04:20.48 | Arrowmaster | that was obviously going to happen since thats how theyve been for years |
| 04:21.18 | cbreak | Things are not always staying the same |
| 04:21.19 | Arrowmaster | and yet you still cant make an opensource encoder or decoder |
| 04:21.30 | cbreak | x264 |
| 04:21.31 | cbreak | ffmpeg |
| 04:21.32 | Arrowmaster | those are the important things |
| 04:21.44 | kd3 | yah, but those break patent law in the us. |
| 04:21.44 | cbreak | you can only not make them in the US |
| 04:22.10 | kd3 | looks at rpmfusion 's laundry-list of packages that can't be distributed with fedora |
| 04:22.22 | bleeter | then there's fuxored trade agreements that mean stuff like even if not breaking law in aus, you may get extradited to US to face court |
| 04:22.30 | bleeter | even if you only ever do foo here in australia |
| 04:22.43 | bleeter | horseshite |
| 04:22.56 | cbreak | That's because the australian boss is a puppet of the chinese and US government |
| 04:23.17 | Arrowmaster | a puppet of both? |
| 04:23.26 | cbreak | obviously |
| 04:23.27 | Arrowmaster | is he trying to play both sides or something? |
| 04:23.58 | cbreak | he appears to be easily influencable by those who want to strip Australia of natural resources |
| 04:24.06 | cbreak | and want to increase surveilance and IP law |
| 04:24.17 | Arrowmaster | Australia has natural resources? |
| 04:24.31 | cbreak | yes |
| 04:24.34 | cbreak | lots of them |
| 04:24.40 | cbreak | iron, uranium, coal |
| 04:24.42 | Arrowmaster | besides opium eating wombats |
| 04:25.09 | bluspacecow | @arrow yes BBQs |
| 04:26.10 | cbreak | the australian mining lobby is powerful apparently |
| 04:26.45 | cbreak | and they got mostly bought/contracted with one of the most resource starved countries on the planet: China |
| 04:27.39 | cbreak | wonders what happens if a graphite transportation plane crashes into an uranium mine |
| 04:28.24 | Humbedooh | kittens will fall from the sky |
| 04:31.28 | Humbedooh | hmmmm apparently, doing 500,000 table inserts makes WoW go bye bye ;( |
| 04:31.41 | bleeter | at least we don't have to put up with that greencard shit |
| 04:32.29 | Bruners | to activate my sub or make a trial account |
| 04:34.03 | bluspacecow | bruners - trail acct |
| 04:34.14 | bluspacecow | do you still have the client installed ? |
| 04:34.51 | Bruners | updating the client at the moment |
| 04:35.18 | Bruners | one million patches |
| 04:35.53 | bluspacecow | duh |
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| 04:41.55 | Bruners | what is wrong when i can't see any changelog text in the updater? wine |
| 04:42.07 | bluspacecow | bug with the updater |
| 04:42.14 | bluspacecow | look at patch.html in the wow folder |
| 04:42.20 | kd3 | hit the language selector and change back and forth |
| 04:42.29 | kd3 | and/or make sure your gecko's installed properly |
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| 04:53.34 | Fisker | i'm very sick kd3 |
| 04:56.46 | Yssaril | Humbedooh: why whould you do that many at the same time anyways? |
| 05:00.19 | bluspacecow | @fisker you should stop banging my mum then perverty |
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| 05:01.49 | Fisker | she said she had been tested |
| 05:02.02 | bluspacecow | oh never mind then |
| 05:02.43 | Humbedooh | to test how much memory the keys alone would require |
| 05:03.29 | Humbedooh | fx. table.insert(mytable, {thisisaverylongkey12345678=something}) vs table.insert(mytable, {a=b}) |
| 05:03.55 | bluspacecow | and your findings ? |
| 05:03.55 | Humbedooh | if I did 500k of those, would it put 500k of keys in the memory of just one and reference it |
| 05:04.06 | Humbedooh | my findings are that wow freezes :p |
| 05:05.18 | Humbedooh | I was testing how much it would take if I put an entire raid's combat log into libspreadsheet, and the results weren't pretty |
| 05:05.46 | bluspacecow | oddd |
| 05:05.52 | bluspacecow | assertion error from trial : |
| 05:05.53 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.54 | bluspacecow | failed- http://us.version.worldorwarcraft.com/background/ |
| 05:05.54 | bluspacecow | 11403patch3.3.2-trail2/enUS/WoW.UNIV.mfil |
| 05:06.11 | bluspacecow | wtf is worldorwarcraft.com ???? |
| 05:06.24 | Humbedooh | make world, not warcraft? ;3 |
| 05:06.30 | Humbedooh | or...dunno |
| 05:06.47 | bluspacecow | the domain is has an or where it should have an of |
| 05:08.06 | Humbedooh | dorf developers imo |
| 05:08.12 | Humbedooh | with their fat fingers |
| 05:09.34 | Kraps | the spoken dialog in the witcher seems to be lacking |
| 05:11.55 | bluspacecow | witcher ? |
| 05:12.02 | Kraps | game |
| 05:12.05 | Kraps | the witcher |
| 05:15.15 | bluspacecow | its a game ? |
| 05:15.21 | bluspacecow | ~wiki witcher |
| 05:15.27 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 05:15.30 | Shirik | Adult Swim is so awesome |
| 05:15.30 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witcher |
| 05:16.18 | Shirik | <evil background music playing> "Coolest thing we've heard all week? Justin Beiber slowed down 800%. It sounds like <something nice I forget>. This is not that. This is the Deathklok theme slowed down 500%. It sounds like satan." |
| 05:16.38 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:16.56 | bluspacecow | i wonder |
| 05:17.18 | bluspacecow | can i have a US wow account on my battle.net as well as an EU wow trial ? |
| 05:17.28 | bluspacecow | or will i need 2 seperate battle.net accounts ? |
| 05:18.08 | Humbedooh | hm, depends how the authentication servers work |
| 05:18.24 | Humbedooh | since they got an eu.logon.battle.net and a us.logon.battle.net |
| 05:18.47 | Humbedooh | you'd need two clients at least |
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| 05:27.48 | bluspacecow | BBL |
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| 05:41.24 | batrick | anyone here on windows using gtalk figure out how to stop gtalk from minimizing your game on a new IM |
| 05:48.59 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 05:49.00 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 05:49.04 | Fisker | i'm very sick. |
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| 05:49.14 | kd3 | take two advil and call me in the morning |
| 05:49.23 | Fisker | it is morning :( |
| 05:49.29 | kd3 | not here it isn't |
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| 05:50.46 | Kraps | what that bright star near the moon, for those in the western hemisphere? |
| 05:51.18 | kd3 | mars? |
| 05:52.20 | Kraps | idk |
| 05:52.41 | kd3 | it's mars or venus. those are the only two who can get that bright |
| 05:52.49 | kd3 | noticed it driving home after school on wednesday night |
| 05:53.18 | Fisker | i came kd3 |
| 05:53.34 | kd3 | but are you going? |
| 05:54.06 | Alram | throws old bicycles at Fisker and runs off |
| 05:54.12 | Fisker | ow |
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| 05:57.42 | Shirik | kraps |
| 05:57.50 | Shirik | you said you don't play TCGs |
| 05:57.54 | Shirik | want your head to explode? |
| 05:58.01 | Shirik | came across this in a game today: http://forums.wowtcg.com/showthread.php?t=566&p=5466#post5466 |
| 05:58.04 | Kraps | um |
| 05:58.32 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 05:58.35 | Fisker | i want my damn hat |
| 05:58.52 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:58.57 | Fisker | then give me my damn hat |
| 05:59.31 | Shirik | Â Â Â ___ |
| 05:59.31 | Shirik | __|Â Â Â |___ |
| 05:59.48 | Kraps | lolwut |
| 06:00.05 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 06:00.36 | Fisker | http://www.teamfortress.com/images/posts/soldier_worms_small.png <-this hat |
| 06:01.13 | Yssaril | Fisker: you can't have that hat its MINE |
| 06:01.30 | Shirik | basically the way the game works, effects that occur at the start of the next turn occur before effects that occurred at the end of the last turn |
| 06:01.33 | Shirik | how fucked up is that |
| 06:02.30 | Fisker | it's mine Yssaril |
| 06:04.12 | Fisker | I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE SO GIVE MY DAMN HAT |
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| 06:04.24 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
| 06:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: Unless I'm really seeing something wrong, I dont think it works the way you think it does. |
| 06:04.44 | Shirik | that's why I asked the judges |
| 06:04.48 | Shirik | because it really shouldn't |
| 06:04.57 | zenzio | what did Shirik do this time? |
| 06:04.59 | Shirik | but I've gone over the rules several times, and I know other cards that work that way |
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| 06:05.14 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 06:05.30 | Fisker | LOL |
| 06:05.51 | NightHawkTheSane | I know TCG rules can get a little.. complex at times. But for any effect in turn n+1 to happen before an effect in turn n is absurd. |
| 06:05.56 | Fisker | So a biker was killed in an accident with a tractor |
| 06:06.00 | Fisker | HIT AND RUN |
| 06:06.06 | Fisker | (Yes, srsly, hit and run in a tractor) |
| 06:06.12 | Fisker | herp derp |
| 06:06.23 | NightHawkTheSane | tractors can get up to a decent speed, really. and if no one's around. |
| 06:06.32 | Shirik | here's the problem |
| 06:06.40 | Wobin | batrick: don't use the gtalk client =P |
| 06:06.42 | Shirik | 400 There are no priority windows (410.4) between phases or turns. |
| 06:06.49 | Fisker | especially if they're pimped out for drag racing |
| 06:06.55 | Shirik | 503.2a There are no priority windows during a wrap-up step, so nothing can be added to the chain. |
| 06:06.55 | Shirik | Any effects that trigger during a wrap-up step are added to the chain at the start of the next |
| 06:06.55 | Shirik | turnâs ready step (501.1). |
| 06:07.09 | Fisker | but obviously even if can do like 60 mph it would still be easy to kep up |
| 06:08.05 | Shirik | the only thing I might be misinterpreting, I think, is if "at end of turn" isn't a wrap-up step trigger |
| 06:08.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: even so, wouldn't that then mean that any "end-of-turn" abilities are added to the chain first, and THEN start-of-turn abilities for the upcoming turn are added to the chain, so shadowfiend still returns before pestilence can do damage. |
| 06:08.45 | Shirik | the first half of what you said is right |
| 06:08.48 | Shirik | the second half is wrong |
| 06:08.51 | Shirik | the chain resolves backwards |
| 06:08.57 | NightHawkTheSane | so it's like a stack? |
| 06:08.59 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:09.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ... see, that makes sense for interrupts, and similar instants. Magic did something similar |
| 06:09.36 | Shirik | magic actually called it a stack :) |
| 06:09.37 | NightHawkTheSane | but for this, what we're really talking about is a queue. |
| 06:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: indeed :P |
| 06:09.48 | Shirik | wow calls it the chain, but it works the same |
| 06:10.16 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont recall magic ever having something this odd, though |
| 06:12.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Ah well, this was one of the reasons I was never terribly interested in CCGs |
| 06:13.09 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:13.38 | Shirik | here |
| 06:13.42 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane, this is a similar case |
| 06:13.59 | Shirik | http://forums.wowtcg.com/showthread.php?t=472 |
| 06:14.07 | Shirik | it's pretty much based on the same rule |
| 06:14.41 | Shirik | (post #5 explains it) |
| 06:15.57 | zenzio | so I see this signature, "for( ; whom == theBell.tolls; time.marches += on)", and I think... he must've been attempting to be clever, but dude... |
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| 06:16.38 | Amarande | yay, another ICC, I'm 9/12 now, coming back Monday night to try for 11/12 or 12/12 |
| 06:16.47 | Amarande | ... and I'm also in a couple of fairly serious pickles :S |
| 06:16.48 | zenzio | grats |
| 06:17.03 | Amarande | having just bought epic flying, I have nowhere near the gold to finance the four gems and the leg enchant I need to use the two things I got tonight :( |
| 06:17.16 | Amarande | and, also, I have GOT to shed expertise BADLY |
| 06:17.24 | Amarande | going a little over is one thing, but I'm about to be drowning in t |
| 06:17.33 | Amarande | I'm at 25 expertise (26 cap for DW DK) |
| 06:17.38 | Amarande | and BOTH the upgrades I got have expertise on them :( |
| 06:18.06 | Wobin | http://www.fukung.net/v/28347/cd05d08a7b79ea972585cc7e1e025c69.gif <-- I want one |
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| 06:18.17 | zenzio | Amarande: if it helps, we never thought you had much expertise! |
| 06:18.27 | Wobin | Amarande: dailies =P |
| 06:18.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: man, -that- is even more absurdly convoluted. |
| 06:19.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ~zenzio++ |
| 06:19.16 | Yssaril | Wobin: what is that? iwant one too |
| 06:19.26 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember also who told me Blood Queen is *easy*. |
| 06:19.31 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: You know what's sad? I consider the WoW TCG rules more simple than magic |
| 06:19.33 | Amarande | It took about 10 atts over two weeks to take her down. :S |
| 06:19.42 | NightHawkTheSane | blood queen IS easy. |
| 06:19.43 | Shirik | but I think it's that simplicity that results in things like this |
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| 06:20.06 | Amarande | And apparently I'm told random heroics now are the most efficient way to make money. |
| 06:20.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: *shrug* magic was originally pretty damn simple. |
| 06:21.33 | Amarande | Night: it still is, heh |
| 06:21.47 | NightHawkTheSane | not relatively speaking. |
| 06:21.48 | Amarande | I have a Desolation Angel based deck that must be years out of date now and still has a fairly decent win rate |
| 06:22.18 | Shirik | chances are it's banned |
| 06:22.24 | Shirik | too many cards are banned now |
| 06:22.24 | NightHawkTheSane | a dozen+ expansions and countless errata and rules tweaks/clarifications have made it significantly more complex. |
| 06:22.39 | Shirik | the wow tcg has one thing going for it so far: there isn't a single banned card |
| 06:22.42 | Dagmar | Amarande: I don't know about them being the most efficient. Without really burning up the attention span you can still do tournament dailies a ton faster than any heroics |
| 06:22.48 | Shirik | they seem to be putting care into it to ensure bad things don't happen |
| 06:22.50 | Kraps | "What? How? What?" "Three excellent questions" |
| 06:23.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: if the can keep it up, it'll be impressive. magic banned cards because the rules evolved to a point where the older cards were just TOO powerful |
| 06:23.34 | Dagmar | Shirik: There _were_ some bad things tho... If you dig through the Penny Arcade archives you'll find mention of Gabe finding few nasty near-infinite mana mechanisms |
| 06:23.42 | Amarande | Night: actually, it's not the older cards now :) |
| 06:23.50 | Amarande | there is actually not a single card banned from Vintage because of being imba |
| 06:24.05 | Wobin | Yssaril: http://www.jetlev-flyer.com/ |
| 06:24.33 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:24.34 | Amarande | all but like two of the cards banned from vintage now are because they're ante cards ... the other couple are because they decided it would be disruptive in a physical sense to allow |
| 06:24.38 | Shirik | whoever pinged me before |
| 06:24.38 | Shirik | (23:24:10) (***) Buffer Playback... |
| 06:24.39 | Shirik | (23:24:10) (Dagmar) [02:24:13] Shirik: There _were_ some bad things tho... If you dig through the Penny Arcade archives you'll find mention of Gabe finding few nasty near-infinite mana mechanisms |
| 06:24.52 | Shirik | congratulations, you crashed my client and I didn't see what you said |
| 06:25.06 | Yssaril | Wobin: bahh i'm to tal and to heavy /sigh |
| 06:25.07 | NightHawkTheSane | WINS! |
| 06:25.12 | Dagmar | Don't blame me. I'm still typing in ASCII. |
| 06:25.13 | Shirik | now what did you say :P |
| 06:25.22 | NightHawkTheSane | it will forever be a mystery ;) |
| 06:25.26 | Wobin | Yssaril: but holy crap that looks awesome |
| 06:25.28 | Shirik | ~logs |
| 06:25.29 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
| 06:25.41 | NightHawkTheSane | or, you know, logged rigorously by purl, but whatever ;) |
| 06:25.53 | Shirik | but I won't know for another 24 hours :( |
| 06:26.03 | NightHawkTheSane | now you have something to look forward to! |
| 06:26.27 | Wobin | Yssaril: It's only 130k euros! |
| 06:26.37 | Yssaril | Wobin: yea |
| 06:26.53 | Shirik | so my parents installed this alarm system |
| 06:27.02 | Shirik | let me explain the logical system they installed |
| 06:27.07 | zenzio | "A wikipedia page, and a link to an old slashdot article. My, it's good to have standards in what goes on the front page." |
| 06:27.26 | Shirik | when they're at home, they set it to "armed, away" so that downstairs the motion detectors are armed |
| 06:27.34 | Shirik | (when they're at home asleep that is) |
| 06:27.49 | Shirik | when they're gone, they set it to "armed, home" so that the motion detectors are disabled so the dogs don't set it off |
| 06:28.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 06:28.19 | Shirik | and I'm sitting here like "why the hell did you order a system with motion detectors with pets" |
| 06:28.24 | cbreak_work | why did they get that system? |
| 06:28.26 | Dagmar | The dogs are broken. |
| 06:28.28 | Shirik | I have no idea |
| 06:28.45 | Dagmar | They have glassbreak sensors, right? |
| 06:28.46 | cbreak_work | maybe you could make a better system with some CV tricks |
| 06:28.54 | zenzio | I didn't know they made motion detectors with pets |
| 06:29.06 | cbreak_work | or maybe just get more ferocious dogs |
| 06:29.21 | Shirik | stabs zenzio |
| 06:29.22 | cbreak_work | or some raptors |
| 06:29.32 | Dagmar | If they've got motion sensors but no glassbreakds, I'd surmise some "damn salesman" sold them a package |
| 06:29.54 | Amarande | hmm, in a couple more hours I can get my frost badge belt, and thus be free of my last 219 |
| 06:30.00 | Shirik | glass break sensors and each window has a sensor |
| 06:30.03 | Wobin | you definitely want glassbreaks |
| 06:30.05 | cbreak_work | grats Amarande |
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| 06:30.14 | Wobin | my parent's place was broken into that way |
| 06:30.19 | Shirik | I just don't understand the purpose of the motion detectors |
| 06:30.25 | Wobin | because most people don't put motion detectors upstairs |
| 06:30.25 | cbreak_work | thought that thiefes these days cut glass, and don't break it |
| 06:30.35 | Wobin | cbreak_work: too much effort |
| 06:30.40 | cbreak_work | ... |
| 06:30.45 | Amarande | it's too bad you can't hire elite mobs to guard your house. |
| 06:30.46 | cbreak_work | don't they take any pride in their work? |
| 06:30.48 | Shirik | cbreak: If they really want to get in, they'll get in |
| 06:30.52 | Dagmar | Cutting glass will trigger them, but a skilled thief will possibly be able to disable the window sensors |
| 06:30.53 | Amarande | like dragonmaw ascendants. anyone remember those guys? :) |
| 06:30.54 | Shirik | your average thug will just break in |
| 06:31.01 | Wobin | cbreak_work: they smashed a hole in the window, and pulled the entire frame out |
| 06:31.15 | zenzio | thieves these days go around ahead of time posing as employees of security/alarm companies trying to scout out your house |
| 06:31.16 | NightHawkTheSane | a thief that skilled probably has better things to break into than your average suburban home |
| 06:31.21 | Dagmar | I *really* skilled theif will know how ot bypass the motion sensors, but good damn luck knowing where they are--that bit is important |
| 06:31.22 | Shirik | ^ |
| 06:31.23 | Wobin | (after climbing up to the roof and entering through the master bedroom window) |
| 06:31.31 | Wobin | Dagmar: not really |
| 06:31.32 | cbreak_work | If I would want to enter a building, making a hole in a wall would seem most unexpected |
| 06:31.39 | Shirik | .... |
| 06:31.41 | Wobin | as I said, very few places have motion detectors upstairs |
| 06:31.42 | Dagmar | Wobin: I can get past them and I don't break into homes. |
| 06:31.45 | Wobin | they have them downstairs |
| 06:31.51 | Wobin | they have them -on- the staircase |
| 06:31.52 | Shirik | cbreak_work: You intend to use your lazer beam wristwatch to do that? |
| 06:31.56 | Amarande | heh, you know what's fun, dragonmaw ascendants used to be walking repair bills |
| 06:31.58 | cbreak_work | no. |
| 06:31.58 | Wobin | but most of them don't put them on the second floor |
| 06:32.03 | cbreak_work | explosives. |
| 06:32.07 | Amarande | now Vladoka usually kills a few for fun each daily while doing her netherwing |
| 06:32.12 | Wobin | (at least according to the nice policeman that came to take the report) |
| 06:32.13 | Shirik | oh because that won't set off the glass break alarms |
| 06:32.30 | Shirik | you're lucky if it doesn't get picked up as a minor earthquake |
| 06:32.30 | cbreak_work | you'd have to organize a http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosRoulette for that to work though |
| 06:32.43 | Wobin | oh god |
| 06:32.46 | Wobin | you bastard |
| 06:32.47 | cbreak_work | just distract the cops with some random terrorist incident far away |
| 06:32.48 | Wobin | you're even at work |
| 06:32.52 | Wobin | and you linked tvtropes |
| 06:32.54 | Dagmar | If CESDIS knows you broke in, you're doing something really wrong. |
| 06:32.57 | cbreak_work | oh, right... I should work... |
| 06:32.57 | Wobin | masochist =( |
| 06:33.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ... now, raise your hand if you're lost in tvtropes for the next six hours |
| 06:33.11 | Wobin | has so far resisted clicking that link |
| 06:33.29 | Dagmar | Wobin: I think MythBusters did a thing on motion sensors IIRC |
| 06:33.30 | cbreak_work | I read everything a year ago before I got the job. HA |
| 06:33.31 | Shirik | has never been to tvtropes |
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| 06:33.46 | Wobin | Dagmar: on how ineffective they are? |
| 06:33.53 | Dagmar | Pretty much. |
| 06:34.01 | Wobin | Dagmar: well it wasn't so much how effective the sensors were |
| 06:34.05 | Wobin | it was more the habits in placement |
| 06:34.06 | Dagmar | They only work if a) no one knows where they are and b) your thief has no idea about how they work |
| 06:34.18 | Kraps | Shirik: WHAT |
| 06:34.33 | Wobin | apparently a lot of places didn't have them in the master bedroom, so thieves had free reign inside |
| 06:34.48 | Shirik | hi Kraps |
| 06:34.49 | Dagmar | All my important stuff is connected to each other |
| 06:35.05 | Dagmar | If something "goes away" I know about it unless I'm in the car |
| 06:35.40 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:35.42 | Shirik | by the way |
| 06:35.47 | Shirik | the stupidest thing I've ever heard |
| 06:35.48 | Shirik | on that system |
| 06:35.55 | Shirik | it has a remote control |
| 06:36.04 | Shirik | I would be OK with it if you still had to type in a pin code |
| 06:36.05 | Shirik | but you don't |
| 06:36.07 | Amarande | yay tvtropes |
| 06:36.10 | Shirik | you just hit "disarm" and it disarms |
| 06:36.16 | Amarande | I've had a billion tabs open for most of the current raid lockout period |
| 06:36.22 | Dagmar | push botton... get lewts |
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| 06:36.35 | Kraps | cbreak you read everything |
| 06:37.00 | Amarande | let's see. I may have JUST enough money left to enchant these legs. |
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| 06:38.04 | Dagmar | Just slap some armor kits on 'em and call it even |
| 06:38.51 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1951-Server-Migration-Dual-Spec-Char-Screen-Hyjal |
| 06:39.10 | Amarande | and gah, did they add an anti-RMT delay to *buying* stuff from the AH now too? I've always noticed my purchases are a tad laggy lately. |
| 06:39.27 | NightHawkTheSane | wanders off to sleep |
| 06:39.40 | zenzio | Amarande: ..? |
| 06:41.07 | Amarande | zenzio: it used to be when I bought something I could go straight to an adjacent mailbox and it was there |
| 06:41.18 | Amarande | now it's been lagging noticeably, even during off-peak hours. |
| 06:41.30 | zenzio | noticeably as in how long? |
| 06:41.38 | Amarande | zenzio: at least a minute or so sometimes it seems |
| 06:42.01 | zenzio | haven't noticed that, but I don't buy stuff that often |
| 06:42.53 | Amarande | I at first wondered if it was auctioneer, but Auctioneer tells you when BeanCounter is busy. |
| 06:42.53 | Shirik | ok NightHawkTheSane: here's the correct ruling |
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| 06:43.04 | Shirik | EOT effects do occur before SOT effects |
| 06:43.10 | Shirik | there is a priority window at end of turn |
| 06:43.14 | Shirik | just not at wrap-up |
| 06:43.16 | Amarande | dear god, I am half again over the expertise cap now. |
| 06:43.20 | Amarande | 39 expertise. Cap is 26. |
| 06:43.21 | Amarande | GAH. |
| 06:43.35 | Amarande | And nothing I can DO about it till I have 75 triumph badges, pretty much. |
| 06:43.47 | zenzio | why so min/max? |
| 06:43.54 | Amarande | But now I have to check Rawr, since now I'm down to 2PT9 and the Triumph badge helm will lose me my last tier bonus |
| 06:44.23 | Amarande | zenzio: 13 expertise over cap is 13 expertise worth of rating that's being absolutely useless. |
| 06:44.37 | Amarande | and yet, it seems like almost all the mdps stuff lately has expertise on it :( |
| 06:44.46 | zenzio | and again, why so min/max? |
| 06:45.06 | zenzio | are you afraid your boss will kick you if your GS isn't optimal? |
| 06:45.10 | Amarande | nah. |
| 06:45.21 | Dagmar | 13 is pretty minor |
| 06:45.26 | Amarande | it does behoove me to check rawr though to see if spending 75 badges on this helm actually IS an upgrade considering the tier loss |
| 06:45.31 | Dagmar | ...and with Rawr crunching the numbers you don't even have to care much |
| 06:45.31 | Amarande | Dagmar: 13 expertise, not 13 expertise rating |
| 06:45.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: Perhaps I used some other number 13 then |
| 06:46.30 | Amarande | I guess I'm just wishing mdps gear would actually come with some other stats, that would be more useful :) |
| 06:46.40 | Amarande | Even hit is more useful than expertise to me at this point |
| 06:49.26 | Amarande | yay, new rawr. |
| 06:50.43 | batrick | Wobin: I'm not a friend is. |
| 06:51.59 | Wobin | batrick: well, it's a standard jabber chat |
| 06:52.05 | Wobin | so any decent chat client can handle it |
| 06:53.49 | batrick | maybe i should have him use pidgin or something |
| 06:53.58 | batrick | ya thanks Wobin |
| 06:55.32 | Amarande | and yes, the helm from badges is, indeed, an upgrade, despite the complete loss of set bonus. |
| 06:55.35 | Amarande | thanks rawr. |
| 06:56.29 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah mercifully it looks like the stats were allocated on those items in an intelligent enough manner that it's not a waste to keep upgrading them |
| 06:56.44 | Dagmar | I checked three classes, and I'm assuming the rest are set up the same way |
| 06:58.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: I had a feeling under any normal circumstances it was a definite upgrade, but I wasn't sure if it made up for the complete loss of T9 bonus |
| 06:58.17 | Amarande | (seeing as I don't have *any* T10 yet) |
| 06:58.46 | Amarande | my first 110 frost badges have gone to a cloak and, especially, going to a belt, because that slot is a real clunker to upgrade as plate MDPS otherwise |
| 06:59.14 | Amarande | you're basically stuck with fucking 219 if you don't dump 60 frost badges on a belt or get real lucky in ICC or find a ToC raid |
| 06:59.14 | Dagmar | Yeah you want to grab the frost gear that there's no triuph gear for first, obviosuly |
| 06:59.33 | Amarande | there isn't even a 232 belt from heroics for MDPS plate ... 5-mans stop with the one from reg PoS |
| 06:59.44 | Dagmar | It's a bit _linear_ but at least it's a steady progression |
| 07:00.45 | Amarande | let's see, I only have about 20 badges so I think I'll be doing heroics a good bit of tomorrow. |
| 07:00.59 | Amarande | then again, I need another 400g or so anyway before I can use the helm anyway, once I get it |
| 07:01.00 | Dagmar | Remember you can probably hit the weekly zerg fest for even more |
| 07:01.07 | Amarande | and I'm down to less than 100g to my name |
| 07:01.15 | Dagmar | Get a job, hippie |
| 07:01.19 | Dagmar | WTF are your tradeskills |
| 07:02.05 | Amarande | skinning and herbalism |
| 07:02.05 | Amarande | nobody's buying felweed or knothide leather, though |
| 07:02.05 | Jerub | wtf is up with pugs not being able to down twins. |
| 07:02.09 | Amarande | borean leather is a poor sell too, especially when you're almost broke because the deposit is too damn high |
| 07:02.27 | Dagmar | Amarande: Ouch. Easier to make money with a crafting skill at 80 |
| 07:02.47 | Amarande | yeah, not sure if either of my crafters are up to that yet |
| 07:02.55 | Amarande | maybe my JC, but my selection of epic cuts is really slim |
| 07:02.56 | Dagmar | TUrns out that being able to click on specific recipes _is_ actually worth something |
| 07:03.07 | Amarande | since that's the warlock I pretty much abandoned after I started the DK |
| 07:03.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: So go look up a few classes best DPS gems |
| 07:03.26 | Dagmar | i.e., scout out a market |
| 07:03.47 | Wobin | Jerub: twin emps? |
| 07:04.00 | Amarande | aright. one more hour and I can do a daily heroic again |
| 07:04.04 | Dagmar | The scarcity of the epic cuts, such that it is, makes them worth a small amount of steady money just grabbing an uncut gem or two a day, cutting them, and tossing them back into the AH |
| 07:04.23 | Wobin | runed cardinals |
| 07:04.35 | Wobin | they always sell well |
| 07:04.48 | Wobin | and if you have an alchemist, the daily transmute will help |
| 07:04.50 | Dagmar | There's craploads of people doing DPS, and every time they upgrade a piece with sockets, they go buy more gems |
| 07:05.07 | Dagmar | Sort of 3/5 of the population, in fact |
| 07:05.32 | Amarande | titansteel CDs still selling well? |
| 07:05.39 | Dagmar | I'm still short one cardinal ruby myself |
| 07:05.46 | Amarande | warlock is a miner in addition to JC |
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| 07:05.56 | Jerub | Wobin: no, twin valks. |
| 07:06.16 | Amarande | ahh I see I'm at my favorite tvtropes page |
| 07:06.17 | Amarande | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HighOctaneNightmareFuel |
| 07:06.26 | Jerub | i block tvtropes at work |
| 07:06.27 | Wobin | stopitdamnyou |
| 07:06.29 | Jerub | for thegood of all. |
| 07:06.33 | Wobin | ^ |
| 07:08.49 | Amarande | that's probably a good idea, Jerub |
| 07:08.54 | Amarande | otherwise, nobody would probably get any work done |
| 07:08.55 | Jerub | wow |
| 07:08.59 | Jerub | speaking of timewasters |
| 07:09.07 | Amarande | everyone would be like Wally |
| 07:09.08 | Jerub | random wikipedia page finds some weird ones. |
| 07:09.08 | Jerub | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_LG_Cup_%28snooker%29 |
| 07:09.17 | Amarande | rember the dilbert where Wally gets asked to sign the non-compete agreement? |
| 07:09.27 | Amarande | then he's like "I haven't done any work *here* for five years, how hard can this be?" heh |
| 07:10.19 | Fisker | hey u Jerub |
| 07:10.41 | Wobin | Jerub: how is that a timewaster? |
| 07:11.22 | Jerub | Wobin: because random page is almost as bad as tvtropes |
| 07:11.32 | Wobin | disagree |
| 07:11.39 | Wobin | there's less continuity |
| 07:11.50 | Wobin | you can stop any time =P |
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| 07:24.49 | industrial | so |
| 07:25.03 | industrial | level 44, done a lot of tanaris quests already, what zone do I go to |
| 07:25.33 | zenzio | done Feralas? |
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| 07:27.46 | bleeter | mmm friend beer http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/?bcid=595232351001&bcpl=207603118001 |
| 07:27.53 | bleeter | er fried |
| 07:28.50 | Amarande | Fried beer? |
| 07:28.53 | Amarande | How the hell do you make THAT? |
| 07:30.17 | bleeter | who cares? JUST GIEF NAO! |
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| 07:34.26 | industrial | Can someone tell me why the hell after 5 years blizz still STILL |
| 07:34.29 | industrial | has the ;alskjdf;asjkldf;l bug |
| 07:34.36 | Amarande | the what bug? |
| 07:34.38 | industrial | where your pet and mob walk away |
| 07:34.52 | industrial | because they are aligning themselves up to one another |
| 07:34.55 | industrial | its FUCKING anoying |
| 07:35.03 | industrial | sometimes i have to recall/send my pet to fix it 3 times |
| 07:35.04 | industrial | per mob |
| 07:35.08 | industrial | its shit and i hate it |
| 07:35.13 | industrial | sincerely, all pet classes. |
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| 07:36.42 | industrial | am I making sense Amarande ? :P |
| 07:37.20 | Amarande | Yeah |
| 07:37.24 | Amarande | I'm not sure that's a bug per se |
| 07:37.29 | zenzio | it's not just that they "still" have it, it got worse in 2.x sometime |
| 07:37.34 | zenzio | because they tried to make pets smart |
| 07:37.35 | the-golem | [Ammo]: you don't play on Firetree do you? |
| 07:38.12 | industrial | zenzio: correct |
| 07:38.31 | zenzio | the pet goes something like "attack? Okay, let me run behind the mob. Oh wait, I have aggro, I must move to the front! Oh, he turned around, I need to move! Oh, he turned around, I need to move! Oh, he..." |
| 07:38.46 | the-golem | I'm glad I'm not the only once that noticed that bug. |
| 07:39.16 | zenzio | they should put a grace period on it or something |
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| 07:47.03 | bleeter | that problem is exacerbated by latency and stuff. suspect it's Damn Hard(tm) to properly fix whilst pets have anything resembling smarts and players have some form of control |
| 07:47.45 | zenzio | latency? So the server is relying on the client's idea of mob and pet positions and targets? |
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| 08:09.54 | cbreak_work | zenzio: no |
| 08:10.17 | cbreak_work | I sometimes got into a desynced state where the wow client thought a mob I killed was where it showed it to me |
| 08:10.26 | cbreak_work | but the server had an other idea, so I could not loot it |
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| 08:10.39 | cbreak_work | even though the character even performed the loot animation |
| 08:10.53 | cbreak_work | so the server checked the position and range restrictions independently of the client |
| 08:12.54 | zenzio | cbreak_work: yeah, I've had that desynch too |
| 08:13.21 | zenzio | I was just unsure how latency would be a cause of the pet problem (assuming the player didn't control the pet after telling it to attack) |
| 08:14.19 | Thrae | EA Store is currently having a sale on Mirror's Edge ($5) and Dead Space ($9) for digital downloads. I picked up both. The Spore deal, however, was about equivilent to the pack available on Steam (wait for another sale). |
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| 08:46.51 | mikma | haste: http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/238/d/4/Coat_of_Arms_by_humon.jpg |
| 08:47.01 | unfo- | :) |
| 08:47.20 | unfo- | i burst out laughing yesterday when i saw that |
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| 08:48.50 | zenzio | Cairenn: he's so happy to see you: http://dailysquee.com/2010/08/26/cute-baby-animals-lab-puppy-incoming/ |
| 08:49.08 | Cairenn | hehehehe, puppy! |
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| 08:54.38 | Fisker | teehee |
| 08:54.45 | Fisker | i love the domain admins group |
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| 11:03.32 | zenzio | "Ragnarose is a dick because fire is an asshole by nature. Sure, it can keep you warm, but you leave it alone in your house and its gonna wreck your place." |
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| 11:15.09 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 11:19.57 | zenzio | I don't understand the people who want pandaren in WoW |
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| 11:26.45 | A-KO | why not? |
| 11:27.55 | zenzio | because I don't see them fitting in in the Warcraft setting at all; screw their whole weird WC3 involvement |
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| 11:29.06 | A-KO | I think they fit better than the stupid naaru or the draenei |
| 11:32.55 | zenzio | I disagree that they fit better, but I agree that those also don't fit |
| 11:32.59 | cbreak_work | Worgen! |
| 11:33.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | i haven't lost hope that they will enable addons in todays patch |
| 11:34.08 | kilia | dont you think its a bit early? |
| 11:34.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | no |
| 11:34.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | if they wait until the end we wont have time to update our mods |
| 11:34.58 | kilia | does anyone of you have ui-diffs for the most recent patches in cata? |
| 11:35.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | i have them, but they arent posted anywhere |
| 11:35.19 | Maldivia | the glyph UI isn't done, the guild UI isn't done, the companion UI isn't done, the arch UI isn't done, the reforging UI isn't done |
| 11:35.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | what else is new |
| 11:35.49 | Maldivia | the new party UI isn't done - there's a lot of default UI that still needs implementation and testion |
| 11:35.52 | Maldivia | testing* |
| 11:36.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | i think its better tested by us looking through the code |
| 11:36.21 | Maldivia | you can always patch the exe yourself, hehe :) |
| 11:36.26 | sylvanaar_atwork | i know |
| 11:36.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | we dont talk about that though |
| 11:36.50 | kilia | do you mind changing that sylvanaar? |
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| 11:37.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | kilia: idk we'll see. its alot to keep up with |
| 11:38.02 | Maldivia | sylvanaar: or go steal Blizzard's signature, and sign your code :P |
| 11:38.35 | kilia | less tainting Maldivia ;) |
| 11:38.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | loves IDA |
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| 11:39.54 | Maldivia | or better yet, get hold of the GM client :P |
| 11:40.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah yeah |
| 11:40.29 | kilia | mass silence :P |
| 11:41.12 | sylvanaar_atwork | they have an API call wrapping the scripting interface IsGMClient() |
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| 11:41.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats how they have it locked down |
| 11:42.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | well for /script /run etc. |
| 11:42.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | only looks at the ChatFrame code |
| 11:43.09 | kilia | you mean if you make this function believe that you are gm, everythings fine? |
| 11:43.30 | Maldivia | yes, but since you can't use /run you can't do that :P |
| 11:43.47 | zenzio | if you could touch the function, you'd probably taint it anyway |
| 11:44.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | all they did was wrap the /run code with a GM client check |
| 11:44.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats why you cant use it |
| 11:44.31 | Maldivia | zenzio: well, RunScript is tainted by default from the chat edit :P |
| 11:50.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://cata.pastey.net/140104 |
| 11:51.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats it |
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| 12:13.19 | alestane | Feeling better, Peppy? |
| 12:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | About 50/50, actually. I have stuff to do that I can only do at work... I'll probably be back in bed at lunchtime. |
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| 12:17.36 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy has a sick? :( |
| 12:17.54 | alestane | Sounded like it yesterday, Cairenn. |
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| 12:18.38 | Lopeppeppy | Has a food-poisoning. No fever or chills, just insane misery. |
| 12:19.25 | zenzio | you need to stop letting your cats prepare your food |
| 12:19.29 | mikma | http://www.break.com/index/six-trainees-tased-together.html |
| 12:19.36 | mikma | thats awesome! |
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| 12:21.04 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously, zenzio. |
| 12:21.27 | Lopeppeppy | And while I was home sick? I re-arranged my living room, because cleaning makes me feel better. *bounces head off desk a bit* |
| 12:21.39 | zenzio | :-o |
| 12:21.45 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:22.05 | Lopeppeppy | For once, very deserved, Fisker. |
| 12:22.12 | Fisker | very |
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| 12:22.21 | alestane | Has Rosiekins resigned herself to the shirt yet? |
| 12:22.25 | zenzio | times like these I wonder waht Fisker actually said |
| 12:23.06 | Cairenn | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 12:23.24 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, she took it off that very night, it was on the pillow when I woke up. |
| 12:23.31 | Lopeppeppy | hugs Cairenn. Misery loves company! |
| 12:23.41 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/08/google-chrome-labs.html |
| 12:23.44 | alestane | So you haven't bothered putting it back on her? |
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| 12:26.26 | Lopeppeppy | not until I figure out how to make it stay. |
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| 12:37.47 | mikma | haste: http://www.hornoxe.com/wp-content/picdumps/picdump164/hornoxe.com_picdump164_021.jpg |
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| 12:38.44 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:41.23 | Fisker | i finally came Adys |
| 12:43.29 | Adys | haha, flock is switching to chromium codebase instead of firefox |
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| 12:44.23 | airtonix | why does this amuse you |
| 12:45.03 | Kalroth | yeah that is a pretty poor downgrade |
| 12:45.12 | Kalroth | its like going from linux to windows 3.11 |
| 12:45.34 | airtonix | or from dos to windows 7 |
| 12:46.41 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, I tried it yesterday, it... is nothing at all similar to Flock on Mozilla. I was quite disappointed. |
| 12:47.10 | Kalroth | CHROME SUPERIOUR UR DOING IT WRONG |
| 12:47.53 | airtonix | i think you'll be disapointed with flock regardless of how its presented |
| 12:47.55 | alestane | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1015473293/i-had-spent-considerable-time-photographing-a, Lopeppeppy. |
| 12:48.36 | Kalroth | The name always reminds of that old high school movie where the principal tells the local church prudes to "get the flock out of here!!" |
| 12:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | airtonix, I like it for the way it organizes social-web... but agree it's a crappy browser. |
| 12:48.44 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: I dont know; I never used Flock, but apparently they're just changing the renderer |
| 12:49.24 | Lopeppeppy | Adys, they changed the entire interface, trust me. :) No resemblance at all. |
| 12:49.31 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, that breaks my head. |
| 12:49.36 | airtonix | they'd have to |
| 12:49.53 | Lopeppeppy | They could attempt something at least *close*. They chose complete re-design. |
| 12:49.59 | airtonix | maybe |
| 12:50.19 | airtonix | but it just shows they created their interface entirely dependant on gecko methods |
| 12:50.25 | airtonix | or whatever |
| 12:50.34 | Fisker | anyway Adys give that feature in the dev channel |
| 12:50.41 | Lopeppeppy | It now streams from your accounts, you don't have the option to just list accounts for easy access. And only does Facebook, Twitter and Youtube currently. |
| 12:50.46 | airtonix | bit like trying to make a winforms application look exactly the same in gtk |
| 12:54.07 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe in a new build it will do more than just three accounts, and I'll try it again to see how it feels then. |
| 12:55.21 | zenzio | "Now that Glibc is free we can finally have the year of the Linux desktop we've been waiting for since 2001. I know tons of my friends who would always say "I wanted to use Linux but Glibc isn't free!" " |
| 12:55.25 | zenzio | lol |
| 12:56.49 | Thrae | Back in MY day we paid $10 for glibc and LIKED IT. |
| 12:59.05 | airtonix | i think i recently didn't care enough about glibc to understand what you are saying |
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| 12:59.49 | zenzio | basically glibc apparently had some code that was under a 1984 licence which wasn't free enough for the free software crowd; and Oracle let them go ahead and change it |
| 13:00.06 | zenzio | *1985 |
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| 13:00.27 | airtonix | wo why would i want to start caring about glibc ? |
| 13:00.33 | airtonix | so* |
| 13:00.43 | Adys | Fisker: what feature? |
| 13:01.06 | zenzio | you're not supposed to care, you're supposed to find the joke amusing because most people just didn't care (or even know) |
| 13:01.17 | airtonix | ok |
| 13:13.39 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbwL8kSpEk |
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| 13:20.31 | Shirik | how come UFOs always go to farms? |
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| 13:20.49 | Shirik | if aliens are trying to do statistically-accurate tests, you would think they would go to a variety of places |
| 13:20.53 | Shirik | surely the rednecks are outliers |
| 13:22.49 | Ackis | when the hell did hunters get 30k health? |
| 13:22.55 | Shirik | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Illustration_of_The_Siberian_War,_No._16._The_Japanese_Army_Occupied_Vragaeschensk_(Blagoveshchensk).jpg |
| 13:22.59 | Shirik | Read the "retouched" part |
| 13:23.02 | Shirik | read all of it |
| 13:23.13 | Shirik | This is a retouched picture, which means that it has been digitally altered from its original version... |
| 13:24.07 | Ackis | I'm annoyed: http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=ackis&searchType=all there used to be only 1 of me |
| 13:24.15 | Shirik | goes to make an ackis |
| 13:24.21 | Shirik | also there used to be only one of me too |
| 13:24.28 | Ackis | :( |
| 13:24.29 | Shirik | however, I know at least one former guildmate intentionally impersonated me |
| 13:24.39 | Shirik | (though there's more than 2 of me now) |
| 13:24.40 | Ackis | Shirik: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thunderlord&cn=Ackis look at my shoulders please and critique |
| 13:24.45 | Ackis | first new gear I've gotten since I came back |
| 13:25.14 | Ackis | also Shirik read this: http://paste.wowace.com/bw39nrav16ukxslp/ |
| 13:25.14 | Shirik | perfect selection |
| 13:25.18 | Shirik | you need +SP/Haste |
| 13:25.52 | Ackis | shoulder enchant is good too? |
| 13:25.52 | Shirik | ow what the hell |
| 13:26.04 | Shirik | no real better choice |
| 13:26.05 | Shirik | so yes |
| 13:26.15 | Shirik | I hate the shoulder enchant tbh |
| 13:26.16 | Shirik | but w/e |
| 13:26.27 | Ackis | sp/crit or sp/mp5 |
| 13:26.40 | Fisker | the labs feature Adys |
| 13:26.43 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 13:26.55 | Ackis | my initial gut was to put a spirit/crit gem in Shirik |
| 13:27.02 | Shirik | Ackis, why exatly does he want UDE points |
| 13:27.05 | Shirik | aren't they useless now anyway? |
| 13:27.12 | Ackis | they are |
| 13:27.17 | Ackis | but go to www.ude.com |
| 13:28.38 | Shirik | [00:08:09][W:From] [Ackistwo:1]: dude i have been trying to get a hold of u for quiet awhile now plz |
| 13:28.41 | Shirik | that's not me I promise |
| 13:29.05 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 13:29.12 | Shirik | also, no, no spirit/crit |
| 13:29.18 | Shirik | I don't even know why you would think that :P |
| 13:29.42 | Shirik | mana might be a minor issue but haste and SP is going to be your biggest issue right now, and mana regen will probably come naturally |
| 13:30.14 | Ackis | I hate haste, always have =/ |
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| 13:30.41 | Shirik | I have too |
| 13:30.45 | Shirik | unfortunately it's necessary |
| 13:30.51 | Shirik | primarily because of renew |
| 13:31.06 | Shirik | with that stupid buff renew has become stupidly overpowered |
| 13:31.19 | Ackis | renew got buffed? |
| 13:31.29 | Ackis | that's what I like to hear |
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| 13:32.17 | Shirik | not exactly |
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| 13:32.26 | Shirik | there's a buff out that adds something like 25% healing |
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| 13:32.46 | Shirik | the way it interacts with renew is overpowered |
| 13:32.56 | Ackis | mind taking a look at my talent spec if you still have my armory open |
| 13:33.03 | Ackis | that's my spec from 8 months or so ago |
| 13:33.39 | Shirik | looks very similar to mine |
| 13:33.40 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 13:33.45 | Shirik | I would advise 3/3 empowered renew |
| 13:34.26 | Ackis | I used to have that |
| 13:34.39 | Ackis | but was told renew was the devil and all I should be doing is flash healing |
| 13:34.53 | Shirik | yeah |
| 13:34.59 | Shirik | slap the person that told you that |
| 13:35.03 | Shirik | they're one of the people ruining this game |
| 13:35.42 | Shirik | like let me explain how much of a difference renew makes on some fights |
| 13:35.53 | Shirik | My raid team is full of very bad healers and very good healers |
| 13:35.59 | Shirik | when I came back I was doing a lot of flash healing |
| 13:36.09 | Shirik | I ended up doing about 2M effective healing with flash heal |
| 13:36.24 | Shirik | same fight, after discussing a bit with some of the good healers, I did almost all renew |
| 13:36.35 | Shirik | first place, about 10M effective healing |
| 13:36.40 | Shirik | no gear change |
| 13:37.00 | Ackis | I know the power of renew |
| 13:37.11 | Shirik | It's primarily just that the 25% buff is really screwing with mechanics |
| 13:40.13 | Kraps | did you guys see http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/august/dualspec100.jpg |
| 13:41.02 | Shirik | this looks shopped |
| 13:41.07 | Shirik | I can tell from the pixels |
| 13:41.24 | zenzio | I've seen it on other sites too |
| 13:41.33 | alestane | Anyone else on the Lua mailing list stop getting messages the last couple of days? |
| 13:41.34 | zenzio | and I think it would fit with their new talent restrictions |
| 13:41.35 | Shirik | the pixels zenzio |
| 13:41.37 | Kraps | Shirik: your face is shopped |
| 13:41.56 | mikma | faceshop |
| 13:41.57 | Kraps | i have the pixels to prove it |
| 13:42.32 | Shirik | alestane: Now that you mention it, yes |
| 13:43.17 | alestane | Then it's probably not just an over-zealous spam filter on my part. |
| 13:43.27 | alestane | Haven't gotten anything since Tuesday. |
| 13:43.42 | Shirik | same |
| 13:49.50 | Kraps | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/demotivational-posters-huge-golden-wii.jpg |
| 13:51.19 | Shirik | omg |
| 13:51.21 | Shirik | want |
| 13:52.39 | Shirik | http://www.smbc-comics.com/ |
| 13:52.42 | Kraps | damn i cant insee it |
| 13:52.48 | Kraps | unsee* |
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| 14:08.24 | Shirik | haha |
| 14:08.41 | Shirik | so one of the hard drives on a server that maintains a real-time copy of Wikipedia's database failed |
| 14:09.05 | Shirik | it's amusing to watch how quickly it gets behind |
| 14:09.14 | Shirik | I'm scared how much work Wikipedia's hard drives must have to do |
| 14:11.11 | Kraps | wow i dont even http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRdAc0LEE5A&feature=player_embedded |
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| 14:13.23 | Kraps | "...as the command center is lifted by the power of christ.." |
| 14:16.38 | Kraps | yes i know its a joke |
| 14:16.49 | jnwhiteh | still hilarious |
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| 14:18.36 | Shirik | lmao Kraps |
| 14:18.38 | Shirik | that is so awesome |
| 14:20.33 | mitch0 | eh |
| 14:20.52 | mitch0 | how she got the beta key... |
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| 14:22.18 | cog|away | Kraps: she beat me to it... i wanted to do a cast like that ... |
| 14:24.16 | Kraps | longest non-game promo by blizz? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snZLmaVmd2o |
| 14:24.27 | Kraps | 2 whole minutes |
| 14:24.43 | krka | wtf Kraps, that's hilarious |
| 14:25.24 | Kraps | bobshouseofvideogames says its a "classic" |
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| 14:30.49 | rljohn_ | that commercial was pretty epic |
| 14:30.55 | rljohn_ | if I wasn't already going to Blizzcon i would buy that stream |
| 14:31.49 | Lopeppeppy | I may buy it this year, even if I'd never be able to actually *watch* it. |
| 14:33.30 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: do you think it'll be like last year, where you could rewatch for about a week after? |
| 14:33.41 | rljohn_ | last year I watched it on Justin.tv |
| 14:33.44 | Lopeppeppy | I hope so! :) |
| 14:33.58 | Lopeppeppy | rljohn_, is Justin tv still working this year? Haven't visited in a while. |
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| 14:34.06 | rljohn_ | probably |
| 14:34.12 | rljohn_ | if not, there will be some sort of re-hosted stream |
| 14:34.27 | rljohn_ | i mean its just someone broadcasting their stream |
| 14:34.32 | rljohn_ | I would try livestream as well |
| 14:34.38 | rljohn_ | i'm sure hanging out in IRC will find you some links |
| 14:34.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure. :) |
| 14:34.53 | rljohn_ | i know i was watching a different URL at work than my gf was at home |
| 14:34.59 | rljohn_ | and she linked me her stream when mine died |
| 14:35.00 | Lopeppeppy | I watched some football on Justin TV last year, it was nice. |
| 14:35.03 | rljohn_ | so they'll be around |
| 14:35.12 | Lopeppeppy | doesn't have a TV! Or cable! Such a luddite. |
| 14:35.29 | Kraps | ^ |
| 14:35.57 | Kraps | wait i have cable internet |
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| 14:38.13 | Lopeppeppy | I do too. I just don't have cable programming. |
| 14:38.22 | Shirik | ^ |
| 14:38.24 | Shirik | screw TV |
| 14:38.25 | Shirik | who needs it |
| 14:38.38 | Kraps | internet > tv |
| 14:38.44 | rljohn_ | indeed |
| 14:38.53 | rljohn_ | the last thing i watched on TV was series finale of Lost |
| 14:38.58 | rljohn_ | since i was visiting family |
| 14:39.05 | rljohn_ | commercials are so WTF to me |
| 14:39.24 | rljohn_ | I'm used to 22/45 minute streams/downloads from the internets :( |
| 14:39.34 | Lopeppeppy | I occasionally watch Discovery when I visit the boyfriend. That's about it. |
| 14:39.47 | Lopeppeppy | Hulu and Crackle keep me satisfied when I just must have some entertainment. |
| 14:40.11 | rljohn_ | the girlfriend loves discovery |
| 14:40.16 | rljohn_ | mythbusters and dirty jobs |
| 14:41.07 | Kraps | whoa what crackle? |
| 14:41.15 | Kraps | what is* |
| 14:42.48 | Lopeppeppy | crackle.com . It's a free movie site, kind of similar to hulu. |
| 14:43.08 | rljohn_ | i use icefilms.info, and previously ninjavideo.net |
| 14:43.09 | Lopeppeppy | In some cases a Crackle movie is also posted on Hulu, but not always. |
| 14:43.52 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:43.57 | Shirik | I forgot to say hi |
| 14:45.26 | Kraps | and its legit? i dont have a problem using, say, megavideo, but it always feels like i'm gonna get something contagious from there |
| 14:45.57 | Kraps | thats why i use warez :p |
| 14:47.17 | Lopeppeppy | Oof, Shirik. Hi. |
| 14:47.29 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, it's as legit as Hulu, the cross-advertise on one another. :) |
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| 14:47.39 | Kraps | nice |
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| 14:47.46 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, heading home to rest my tired self. |
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| 15:14.35 | jnwhiteh | haste: is there any add_path function in zsh? |
| 15:15.00 | haste | what does add_path do? |
| 15:15.10 | jnwhiteh | adds the argument to the path env if its not already there |
| 15:15.51 | haste | so it just does: PATH="arg:${PATH}" ? |
| 15:16.07 | jnwhiteh | no, because that assumes ${PATH} already doesn't include arg |
| 15:16.08 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 15:16.12 | jnwhiteh | it keeps PATH clean |
| 15:16.27 | zenzelezz | PATH has been unclean since it was introduced |
| 15:16.32 | jnwhiteh | truth |
| 15:16.59 | haste | I've never poked add_path at least |
| 15:17.14 | Wobin | is watching Heston Blumenthal |
| 15:17.17 | Wobin | he's awesome |
| 15:17.29 | Wobin | he's like the MacGuyver of gourmet cooking =P |
| 15:17.54 | Wobin | kind of a higher class Alton Brown |
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| 15:20.04 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/thinkgeek/status/22266307419 |
| 15:22.14 | kergoth | you don't need an add_path, zsh supports arrays that automatically update normal variables |
| 15:22.28 | kergoth | typeset -U PATH path |
| 15:22.35 | kergoth | path = (/some/path/bin $path) |
| 15:22.41 | jnwhiteh | ah okay |
| 15:22.41 | jnwhiteh | perfect. |
| 15:22.46 | kergoth | pretty sure it defaults to being a 'unique' thing |
| 15:22.50 | kergoth | so wont add it if its already there |
| 15:22.53 | kergoth | but i'll double check |
| 15:23.12 | kergoth | i set up my pythonpath, etc with array vars like that too |
| 15:23.39 | kergoth | right, "The -U argument to typeset says, then when representing the array in the environment value passed to the program (Python, in this case), only include the first instance of each unique value." |
| 15:23.48 | kergoth | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1128366/to-understand-typeset-for-pythonpath |
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| 15:25.00 | kergoth | didn't manage to google up the typeset portion of the zsh manual, sadly |
| 15:25.41 | kergoth | jnwhiteh: by the way, thanks for watching astrails/dotvim |
| 15:25.46 | kergoth | jnwhiteh: it inspired me to redo my vim setup :) |
| 15:25.50 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 15:25.57 | jnwhiteh | i haven't gotten around to moving to it yet |
| 15:26.00 | jnwhiteh | but I like it. |
| 15:26.03 | kergoth | http://github.com/kergoth/dotvim |
| 15:26.26 | kergoth | http://github.com/kergoth/dotvim/commit/8bd7c6a84a8efd3f2c643bf209941241e0b9ee51 is relevant to this channel |
| 15:26.56 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/sickipedia |
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| 15:27.32 | kergoth | jnwhiteh: http://github.com/kergoth/homefiles/blob/master/.zsh/conf.d/S20_environment#L36 |
| 15:28.38 | Wobin | Kraps: that... uh.. kinda fails at understanding how twitter works =P |
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| 15:28.50 | Kraps | yeah |
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| 15:29.12 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 15:29.14 | Fisker | i hate that guy |
| 15:30.13 | Cide | I hate your mom Fisker |
| 15:33.21 | Kraps | why didnt they update the tree models in cata? |
| 15:34.08 | Fisker | why would they Kraps ? |
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| 15:34.45 | Kraps | because they look squareish with sharp edges |
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| 15:35.42 | Kraps | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/august/hyjal_12803_02.jpg |
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| 15:38.35 | Cide | stupid pidgin |
| 15:38.40 | Cide | gotta try one more time |
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| 15:39.21 | Cide | why does it not hide NickServ messages when it says it does |
| 15:41.52 | kilia | what is the future of ratingbuster ? i looked at the new characterdisplay in cataclysm and all these ratings seem to be converted for you now |
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| 15:49.11 | Kraps | rrr: attached to bear.freenode.net âLondon, Englandâ |
| 15:53.39 | mikma | kilia: they are gonna kilia it |
| 15:54.12 | kilia | very funny.. ;) |
| 15:54.40 | mikma | thats me, funny mikma |
| 15:54.48 | mikma | just ask anyone, except fisker |
| 15:54.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: That makes sense. A nagging thought in my mind after reading that second post you linked was that the turn phase seemed like [turn -> end-of-turn effects -> wrap up (discard)] Which would mean even though there's no priority window during wrap-up, the end-of-turn effects still happen before that. |
| 15:55.17 | Shirik | what confused me is that wrap up is part of the end phase |
| 15:55.22 | Shirik | but it's the final step of the end phase |
| 15:55.36 | Shirik | EOT effects happen at the beginning of the end phase |
| 15:55.37 | mikma | step by step |
| 15:55.39 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 15:55.41 | mikma | uuuuuu babyhyhyyy |
| 15:55.44 | Shirik | and there's a priority window there |
| 15:57.51 | Kraps | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/1c884c55-8a4e-44ce-826e-95df0b5524d5.jpg |
| 15:58.44 | mikma | kraps: rofl rofl rofl hahahahahahahaaaaa. what the hell is that? |
| 15:58.47 | alestane | Quick question for windows developers: can you build an executable in some universal format so that 64-bit OSs will run 64-bit code and 32-bit OSs will run 32-bit code? |
| 15:59.17 | Kraps | eyes mikma |
| 15:59.31 | Kraps | its at MIT |
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| 16:00.07 | Cairenn | station |
| 16:00.11 | Lunessa | station. ;) |
| 16:00.23 | mikma | kraps: http://www.allaboutyou.com/?module=images&func=display&fileId=51780 |
| 16:00.37 | Kraps | ugh |
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| 16:06.52 | Shirik | alestane: no |
| 16:07.05 | Shirik | the formats are inherently different |
| 16:07.19 | Shirik | the biggest issue this applies to is actually DLLs |
| 16:07.48 | alestane | Not what I'm immediately concerned about. |
| 16:08.00 | nevcairiel | only Macs support such an abonimation of format |
| 16:08.45 | Shirik | YEAH |
| 16:08.49 | Shirik | APPLE FANBOI |
| 16:09.05 | alestane | What I want to do is distribute a zipped program package, so that there can be a single point of launch. Can you do something like include a proxy executable that chain-launches the right program? |
| 16:09.30 | Shirik | that's quite difficult, actually |
| 16:09.41 | Shirik | to do that you'd have to make the application 32-bit |
| 16:09.43 | nevcairiel | I think the APIs actually tell you that you are 32-bit when running in 32-bit mode |
| 16:09.47 | Shirik | and when you do that, windows fakes like it's 32-bit |
| 16:10.22 | alestane | I dunno, nevcairiel, I don't consider a system that allows you to migrate an executable from one system to another without needing you to reinstall or select the right installation directory yourself an "abomination." |
| 16:10.43 | Shirik | I do, considering the platforms are inherently different :) |
| 16:10.51 | batrick | what's this "station" businessssss |
| 16:10.57 | alestane | Then can you include both 64-bit and 32-bit version of the program, and then have a single program or batch or link or something that launches the right one? |
| 16:10.59 | nevcairiel | with macs its even worse though |
| 16:11.02 | nevcairiel | x86 and ppc, ew |
| 16:11.33 | Shirik | I'm going to recommend something awful |
| 16:11.38 | Shirik | I think the only way you can tell |
| 16:11.41 | nevcairiel | I guess they had to do it though, they can't emulate one of them |
| 16:11.42 | Shirik | no that won't work either |
| 16:12.04 | nevcairiel | I would just say "let those 64-bitters run the 32-bit version" |
| 16:12.08 | alestane | Shirik, it's based on something called a universal binary. It's basically both versions of the program packaged up in something the OS can look at to choose which one will run best in its conditions. |
| 16:12.16 | Shirik | that I know |
| 16:12.19 | Shirik | I'm trying to find you a solution |
| 16:12.31 | Shirik | I was going to recommend inline assembly but that won't work either |
| 16:12.36 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:12.46 | Shirik | because that will tell you if the CPU supports 64-bit, not if Windows is 64-bit |
| 16:12.51 | alestane | I'm basically just trying to avoid running an installer. |
| 16:13.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | use .NET |
| 16:13.12 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:13.17 | Fisker | i wanna ssd |
| 16:13.37 | alestane | I would like people to be able to extract a .zip file and launch one program. |
| 16:14.01 | nevcairiel | why is it important that people on 64-bit windows get a 64bit app? |
| 16:14.15 | Cide | because apps should transition to 64 bit already |
| 16:14.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | its just 64 bit addressing |
| 16:14.36 | alestane | If there have to be two executables for the two environments, that's fine, as long as the user doesn't need to worry about the selection process. |
| 16:14.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | if it were a 64 bit instruction set it would be different |
| 16:14.56 | Shirik | awwww |
| 16:15.00 | Shirik | I thought I had a really clever way |
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| 16:15.14 | Shirik | but MSDN then said "Note that this technique is not a reliable way to detect whether the operating system is a 64-bit version of Windows." |
| 16:15.14 | batrick | we need to keep 32 bit apps for wine compatibility |
| 16:15.25 | nevcairiel | wine supports 64 now |
| 16:15.32 | batrick | sssh u |
| 16:15.34 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/man_attempts_gas_theft_from_ch.php |
| 16:15.49 | Shirik | aha! |
| 16:15.54 | Shirik | alestane: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms724340(v=VS.85).aspx |
| 16:16.05 | Cide | can't you just try to allocate 2^32 bytes of memory and if it fails go for 32 bits? |
| 16:16.12 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:16.18 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 16:16.53 | Shirik | if you call that, alestane, it will tell you 64-bit if it really is 64-bit, even on a 32-bit app |
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| 16:17.45 | alestane | So, you could make a 32-bit version that, when launched on a 64-bit system, launches the 64-bit version and quits, and on a 32-bit system, just runs? |
| 16:18.03 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:18.04 | Fisker | never |
| 16:18.16 | Fisker | you can do that on 20 and below :( |
| 16:18.22 | Fisker | can't |
| 16:18.33 | Arrowmaster | world of goo comes like that for linux, it has a shell script that detects if its 32bit or 64bit then runs the proper one |
| 16:18.53 | Fisker | you're not the boss of me Arrowmaster |
| 16:19.03 | Fisker | if i wanna run 32-bit im going to run a 32-bit version |
| 16:19.14 | alestane | puts Fisker back in his crib. |
| 16:19.19 | Fisker | you can't |
| 16:19.26 | Shirik | batrick |
| 16:19.28 | Fisker | i'm srs btw |
| 16:19.34 | Fisker | i hate it when developers do that |
| 16:19.43 | Shirik | no |
| 16:19.50 | Shirik | if I said you're going to run a 64-bit app, you're going to run a 64-bit app |
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| 16:20.35 | Cide | and if I see that fisker is running my app, it segfault |
| 16:20.37 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:20.38 | Cide | .. |
| 16:20.40 | Cide | it shall segfault |
| 16:20.46 | Fisker | i like that |
| 16:29.31 | Shirik | segfaults Cide |
| 16:29.49 | Cide | nou |
| 16:30.13 | Shirik | sorry, SIGSEGV is not an ignorable interrupt |
| 16:30.25 | Cide | it is in my OS |
| 16:30.32 | Shirik | it is? |
| 16:30.37 | Cide | yes |
| 16:30.37 | Shirik | how |
| 16:30.43 | Shirik | or is this some fictitious OS |
| 16:30.54 | Cide | fictitious? |
| 16:31.00 | Cide | how dare you call COS 8 that |
| 16:31.11 | Shirik | actually CideOS is a really cool name |
| 16:31.27 | Cide | that's what COS is shorthand for, duh |
| 16:31.49 | zenzelezz | Cide's Magnificent Operating System |
| 16:33.43 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:34.02 | Fisker | hey Shirik is totally not an ignorable interrupt Shirik |
| 16:34.05 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iK9c5L02c huh |
| 16:34.19 | Lunessa | LULZ - http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/8/27/ |
| 16:35.01 | Shirik | Fisker: It's just a low priority interrupt |
| 16:35.06 | Shirik | I am now servicing it |
| 16:35.07 | Shirik | Hey Fisker |
| 16:35.15 | Shirik | RETI |
| 16:35.32 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 16:35.37 | alestane | Is Tycho supposed to be ignorant, Lunessa, or just trying to brush off Gabe? |
| 16:35.43 | alestane | (My money's on the latter.) |
| 16:35.50 | Kraps | Bed Intruder - 8bit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnIdz6pM5Sg&feature=channel |
| 16:35.57 | Lunessa | alestane: more like ... make sure he doesn't show. |
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| 16:36.18 | Lunessa | You have to read the news post and the attendant craigslist ad. |
| 16:36.28 | alestane | Ah. |
| 16:37.29 | alestane | "Because this is the Internet, every argument was spun in a centrifuge instantly and reduced down into two wholly enraged, radically incompatible contingents, as opposed to the natural gradient which human beings actually occupy." |
| 16:39.19 | Shirik | lol |
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| 16:43.14 | batrick | Shirik: |
| 16:43.15 | batrick | ? |
| 16:43.20 | Shirik | batrick |
| 16:43.23 | Shirik | hi |
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| 16:47.05 | Kraps | is climbin in your windows and snatchin your people up |
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| 16:50.52 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:51.01 | Fisker | i has a cake Shirik |
| 16:58.24 | foxlit | it is a trout cake? |
| 17:09.25 | Kraps | this silent episode is rad |
| 17:10.12 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 17:10.25 | Fisker | når du google translater dine reklamer så irriterer det mit ansigt |
| 17:14.51 | mikma | sioraiocht: those scans of the insects are awesome! |
| 17:14.58 | sioraiocht | I agree! |
| 17:18.25 | sioraiocht | mikma: I am usually afraid of bugs |
| 17:18.27 | sioraiocht | but those looked cute |
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| 17:18.46 | Krahg | Hi |
| 17:19.26 | mikma | sioraiocht: like "hello there, i ama bee, cute, arent i?" |
| 17:19.38 | mikma | all fluffy |
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| 17:22.17 | sioraiocht | mikma: exactly! |
| 17:24.34 | cog|away | blizzard's matchmaking is totally phailing me... i'm 4 wins in 17 games -_- |
| 17:24.57 | cogwheel | shouldn't i be up against people who suck just as much as me? :P |
| 17:25.19 | Maldivia | someone has to be the bottom... |
| 17:25.31 | cogwheel | rawr |
| 17:25.32 | foxlit | Maldivia: but they do not have to go alone :) |
| 17:26.21 | Maldivia | "vi skal gå hånd i hånd, gennem livet, du og jeg" ? |
| 17:26.32 | cogwheel | i suck so much i can't even beat AI on hard -_- |
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| 17:26.55 | Dagmar | Shirik strikes again! http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/us/26drone.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss |
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| 17:27.16 | Shirik | omg not mine |
| 17:27.17 | foxlit | cogwheel: May I suggest cooperative play? |
| 17:27.24 | Shirik | someone linked me that yesterday |
| 17:27.37 | cogwheel | foxlit: i've purposefully handicapped myself by sticking with Z |
| 17:27.45 | Shirik | actually one of the things I've worked on is automated proceedures to avoid no-fly zones under lost comm situations :) |
| 17:27.49 | cogwheel | doing it "boot camp" style |
| 17:27.54 | cogwheel | that's how i learned to tank |
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| 17:27.57 | Shirik | I'm very confident our aircraft handles that well |
| 17:28.01 | Maldivia | cogwheel: or play some UMS, for instance BattleCraft, to get better and picking the right counter etc |
| 17:28.18 | alestane | Win, cogwheel: |
| 17:28.26 | cogwheel | i've got most of the strategy down, it's really all in the execution |
| 17:28.31 | alestane | "3 words that will save the economy; gay bridal registry." |
| 17:28.37 | cogwheel | :) |
| 17:28.38 | Maldivia | lol |
| 17:28.54 | foxlit | cogwheel: not that much of a handicap :) |
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| 17:29.42 | cogwheel | foxlit: since my current problem is multitasking it is :P |
| 17:30.12 | foxlit | You're not getting away from that problem regardless of which race you pick :) |
| 17:30.24 | cogwheel | foxlit: i had a lot of luck with toss in beta |
| 17:30.36 | cogwheel | s/of luck/more skill/ -_- |
| 17:31.03 | Maldivia | alestane: well, if Judge Walker's ruling earlier t his month, about prop8 being unconstitutional is going to be appealed all the way to supreme court, then you might just get that :) |
| 17:31.40 | alestane | It's a sign that appeared in a video cog posted, Maldivia. |
| 17:31.55 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/jill.jpg |
| 17:32.03 | alestane | I'm already in a straight marriage myself, don't need a new registry. |
| 17:33.00 | Maldivia | :) |
| 17:33.12 | Shirik | yes you do |
| 17:33.15 | Shirik | you have many registry errors |
| 17:33.18 | Shirik | it is slowing down your computer |
| 17:33.27 | alestane | Lunessa, http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-20022.html |
| 17:33.28 | Shirik | fix it now by clicking this link: omginstallvirusesplz.com |
| 17:33.48 | Lunessa | alestane: word. |
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| 17:34.10 | cogwheel | Lunessa: how many randoms did we do before tanking finally clicked? |
| 17:34.43 | Lunessa | cogwheel: bunches. You went from "ARGH!" to "AWESOME" |
| 17:34.56 | alestane | Tanking I can do, feral DPS eludes me. |
| 17:34.57 | mikma | haste: nsfw, lol, http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/chatroulette_thumbs_up.jpg |
| 17:35.05 | cogwheel | wtf... Back-to-school ad for panties? |
| 17:35.17 | Maldivia | mikma.... hmm.... |
| 17:35.30 | Maldivia | mikma: I think that's what's called doggy style ? :) |
| 17:35.42 | mikma | maldivia: maybe, looks that way |
| 17:35.50 | alestane | Or at least, when I transitioned to Northrend dungeons I figured I'd better switch to Cat until I got to gear up a bit. Haven't been effective so far. |
| 17:36.22 | cogwheel | so i figure after a dozen more thwompings i'll suddenly be platinum level >< |
| 17:36.24 | NightHawkTheSane | feral dps is finely honed frantic button mashing |
| 17:36.31 | alestane | And up there with the vodka whipped cream, Lunessa, http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-20013.html |
| 17:37.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ... that may be the best thing I've ever seen. |
| 17:37.26 | alestane | Snow cones? |
| 17:37.42 | cogwheel | alcohol should melt the ice pretty much on contact... |
| 17:37.45 | Lunessa | alestane: two words. Hell yes. |
| 17:38.12 | Lunessa | Feral DPS = John Fucking Madden |
| 17:38.13 | cogwheel | i'm skeptical of his claims :P |
| 17:39.03 | Lunessa | cogwheel: you chill the booze to syrupy consistency and get drunk fast before it metls. |
| 17:39.09 | alestane | It takes icemelt a while to work too. |
| 17:39.20 | alestane | But it probably will get sloppy. |
| 17:40.31 | alestane | Lunessa, I find the comment "Feral DPS = John Fucking Madden" totally unelucidating, sorry. |
| 17:40.50 | Lunessa | alestane: Don't worry... It doesn't work for me either. |
| 17:41.04 | Lunessa | So I just tank. |
| 17:41.18 | Lunessa | SUM Druid R 4 tnak. |
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| 17:47.14 | Dagmar | Google his name |
| 17:47.26 | Dagmar | ...without the "fucking" obviously. Although, Safe Search FTW. |
| 17:48.31 | Lunessa | alestane: http://www.thedruidsgrove.org/wow/forums/showthread.php?t=13341 |
| 17:48.43 | Dagmar | Not _quite_ as mad as Gary Busey. |
| 17:50.14 | Dagmar | Lunessa: So basically, I *was* doing it right on the PTR then |
| 17:50.39 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 17:51.14 | Dagmar | I thought about letting the pug talk me into tanking. ;) |
| 17:51.58 | alestane | Now, I can't remember at the moment which is claw and which is shred, because I key bind them on another action page. |
| 17:52.08 | foxlit | shred is from behind |
| 17:52.12 | Dagmar | "Sure this toon is like five minutes old and I didn't even know druids could turn into things other than bears, cats, and crows, but sure I'll tank it. :)" |
| 17:52.20 | alestane | Which icon, foxlit. |
| 17:52.21 | foxlit | claw is what you replace with mangle |
| 17:52.25 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: claw is the one you stop using after you get mangle |
| 17:52.29 | foxlit | Tooth. |
| 17:52.40 | foxlit | Or, well, fang, I suppose. |
| 17:53.29 | Dagmar | "Install Dr. Damage, push the biggest number first" |
| 17:53.59 | alestane | So yes, what that's basically saying is, hit faerie fire, then faceroll tiger's fury, shred, rip, rake, ferocious bite, and something I don't think I have yet until boss dies. Oh, and Claw is just STOOPID. |
| 17:54.39 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/had-too-many-muska-beers/6748 |
| 17:55.05 | NightHawkTheSane | savage roar. |
| 17:55.11 | alestane | Unless you're fighting trash, in which case apparently Swipe > *, at least until Cata. |
| 17:56.58 | mikma | Nom Nom Nom |
| 17:59.23 | alestane | Oh good, that talent does still say "[NNF]" |
| 17:59.56 | mikma | what does nnf stand for? |
| 18:00.03 | kd3 | name not final |
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| 18:00.04 | alestane | "Name Not Final." |
| 18:00.12 | mikma | ... |
| 18:00.25 | mikma | if you are waiting for them to rename it, i'll fucking kill you |
| 18:00.52 | alestane | Don't get me wrong. I laughed my @$$ off when I saw it the first time. |
| 18:01.17 | alestane | But it's like the warlord ability "Feather Me Yon Oaf!" It doesn't need to be called that in the live game. |
| 18:02.39 | mikma | yes, it really needs to be. |
| 18:03.08 | alestane | Yes! Omen of Clarity currently listed as trainable at level 20! |
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| 18:08.33 | alestane | ...but Thorns is now a cooldown? |
| 18:09.23 | mikma | http://cata.wowhead.com/ <- burrito! taco! |
| 18:10.20 | foxlit | alestane: not that Thorns was interesting |
| 18:10.36 | alestane | Not interesting, but useful as hell. |
| 18:10.50 | Lunessa | wants tacos. |
| 18:10.52 | alestane | I think I understand the motivation behind the change, but it's going to take some getting used to. |
| 18:11.21 | foxlit | On the other hand, I wonder why it's not a selfbuff. |
| 18:11.53 | alestane | Can still throw it on a tank. |
| 18:12.01 | foxlit | That isn't a good thing. |
| 18:12.18 | alestane | Depends who gets the threat. |
| 18:12.41 | alestane | Isn't the damage generated by the thing reflecting damage? |
| 18:12.51 | alestane | the aggro, that is? |
| 18:12.58 | foxlit | That is probably the case. |
| 18:13.25 | Shirik | I am glad that we have finally found a way to monetize beerpong into a children's gmae |
| 18:13.30 | Shirik | sometimes capitalism is evil |
| 18:13.45 | foxlit | It's just the mechanic that isn't appealing -- either it's going to be insignificant for threat, or you're going to have to orchestrate thorns rotations on tanks |
| 18:15.53 | alestane | The damage could also be meaningful in PvP. |
| 18:16.13 | alestane | "No, really, stop hitting our priest." |
| 18:16.25 | foxlit | That would really depend on scaling |
| 18:17.30 | foxlit | But get two druids, and you can get people to stop hitting your priest permanently? :) |
| 18:18.13 | foxlit | "Estimated time left: About 5 minutes" |
| 18:18.16 | Lunessa | So, I describe my role on the ICC Gunship fight thusly: 1. Fire cannons. 2. Jump 3. Drop totems. 4. DPS like crazy on mage. 5. Recall totems so Saurfang doesn't assfuck me. 6. Jump. 7. Get in cannon. 8. Rinse Repeat. |
| 18:18.21 | foxlit | It was 4 the last time I looked, and 3 the time before that :( |
| 18:18.50 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:18.55 | Fisker | not so hey Lunessa though |
| 18:19.02 | Lunessa | I've forgotten to pull my totems a time or two. next jump... Saurafang is telling me that I "look mighty cute in them jeans." |
| 18:19.06 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 18:19.09 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:19.23 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: gunship is boring no matter whar role |
| 18:19.30 | nevcairiel | *what |
| 18:19.49 | Lunessa | Yeah. Pretty much. It is a neat story bit/gimmick the first time. After that... yawn |
| 18:20.02 | nevcairiel | first time on hard was a bit refreshing at first |
| 18:20.07 | nevcairiel | but wasnt really hard in the end |
| 18:20.32 | nevcairiel | i kinda laughed when i found out that when you fall down from the ship, you actually get ported back up |
| 18:20.34 | Lunessa | We do it on heroic all the time looking for drops. |
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| 18:21.51 | foxlit | For fun and profit: /reload while triggering the gunship flight |
| 18:22.18 | foxlit | Ends up being the weirdest client/server desync ever. |
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| 18:26.22 | Fisker | hey Shirik though |
| 18:27.03 | Dagmar | nevcariel: You don't always get ported tho |
| 18:27.14 | Dagmar | Sometimes you just crater. Heh |
| 18:27.33 | Fisker | btw |
| 18:27.40 | Fisker | don't use the jetpacks on top of the horde ship |
| 18:27.50 | Fisker | since the "gravity box" pretty much only extends to ther |
| 18:27.53 | Fisker | there* |
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| 18:31.13 | Lunessa | I wish there were jump packs in more places. They're the most fun part of that fight. |
| 18:35.13 | foxlit | goblins? :) |
| 18:35.24 | Humbedooh | pfft |
| 18:35.52 | Humbedooh | Gunship is nice from the port side |
| 18:36.12 | Humbedooh | gives a nice view of the battle if you just sit up there and have yourself a little picnic |
| 18:37.43 | Humbedooh | and if you pull out the camera to max distance, it's like a fun tennis match with 25 people on each side |
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| 18:45.20 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
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| 18:54.17 | Lunessa | Humbedooh: If you're having a picnic, it's not 25 people on a side, now is it? |
| 18:56.18 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man. this sandwich is almost illegally delicious |
| 18:58.39 | alestane | Oh? |
| 19:00.23 | NightHawkTheSane | pastrami, cole slaw, melted swiss, russian dressing, on a toasted sub roll |
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| 19:04.33 | Lunessa | A ruben on a sub roll |
| 19:04.54 | alestane | Gonna say, almost a reuben. |
| 19:05.06 | alestane | I'll take corned beef over pastrami though. |
| 19:05.24 | alestane | And a rueben is sauerkraut, not coleslaw, in my experience. |
| 19:05.26 | Lunessa | Man, now I want to go to Canter's Deli in Los Angeles. |
| 19:05.43 | alestane | That's a bit of a hike for a sammich. |
| 19:06.00 | Lunessa | alestane: worth it. |
| 19:06.08 | Lunessa | That place is AWESOME |
| 19:06.39 | Dagmar | Awesome. I may get to go talk to HR later. |
| 19:07.09 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I suspect this is an experience you have often... |
| 19:07.17 | cogwheel | fucking a... had to surrender a match because people are bugging me on my lunch |
| 19:08.32 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, not exactly a reuben. |
| 19:08.38 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Not usually, but I've got a parnoid co-worker hehe |
| 19:09.27 | Dagmar | One of the Help desk guys is departing today, so his manager came over to tell us. His name is Jose. My co-worker didn't know who he was. We can *see* the help desk people from our office. I said "What do you mean you don't know who Jose is? He even looks like a Jose." |
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| 19:09.46 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 19:09.49 | Dagmar | This is a much more logical assumption than usual because there's two help desk people on duty today, and one of them is *female*. |
| 19:09.54 | Dagmar | Probably *not* "Jose". |
| 19:10.16 | Dagmar | The guy's been working there for like three years now |
| 19:10.28 | Lunessa | And yet you get to have a chat about a potentially insensitive remark? |
| 19:10.38 | Dagmar | He's _hispanic_ |
| 19:10.53 | Dagmar | Not insensitive, simply accurate |
| 19:11.25 | Dagmar | ...and again, the other member of their staff today... _female_. Decidedly doesn't look like a Jose with the long hair and the makeup. |
| 19:11.56 | NightHawkTheSane | well, she could be a josie? thats close.. |
| 19:12.02 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I have a pierced tongue. An attractive female coworker asked me what it's for in an open, very public setting. I had to explain that HR policies prevented me from discussing that with her... |
| 19:12.15 | Dagmar | wooowoo! |
| 19:12.30 | durcyn | Lunessa: I don't see what's wrong with answering "well, got a penis?" |
| 19:12.37 | Dagmar | rofl |
| 19:12.46 | Lunessa | durcyn: go to hell. You go to hell and you die |
| 19:12.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ~durcyn++ |
| 19:12.56 | Dagmar | hahahahaha |
| 19:13.03 | Lunessa | Also, the very attractive director of HR was standing /right there/. |
| 19:13.04 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, though, most hr policies would prevent THAT comment as well :P |
| 19:20.49 | Kraps | i dont get it |
| 19:21.01 | Kraps | i dont think i want to though |
| 19:22.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pat Kraps |
| 19:22.06 | purl | ACTION pats Kraps and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 19:28.22 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/12213/WatchFrame.lua << Any thoughts? |
| 19:28.39 | foxlit | (Mainly about the layout/functionality of things, not the framexml code) |
| 19:31.40 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: once you switch into diff "mode", theres no way to get out of it back to the non-diff view |
| 19:32.04 | zenzelezz | one does not simply switch to diff mode |
| 19:32.13 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: I couldn't figure out a nice wording for that :) |
| 19:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | also, the "click to change view" thing is very unclear what it actually DOES. |
| 19:33.48 | NightHawkTheSane | and yeah, i dont know of a good UI, for that, but it is awkward. |
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| 19:34.03 | NightHawkTheSane | inserts extra, commas into various, places. |
| 19:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | talks like, william, shatner. |
| 19:35.38 | Lunessa | You ... can't... come ... on to this ship ... and talk ... to me... that way. |
| 19:37.01 | foxlit | Agree on "click to change view" as well. |
| 19:37.05 | Lunessa | foxlit: I'm wondering, will you run into copyright issues by posting this? As in, will some lawyer at Blizzard send you a take down notice? |
| 19:37.42 | foxlit | Lunessa: wowcompares is still... up. |
| 19:37.57 | Lunessa | Yeah, but they're just doing diffs right? |
| 19:38.43 | foxlit | Pretty much what this is doing as well. |
| 19:38.52 | Lunessa | Ok, I didn't look too deeply. |
| 19:40.50 | foxlit | There are some mildly clever tricks like |
| 19:40.51 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/go/ActionBar_PageUp |
| 19:41.24 | NightHawkTheSane | 's mind is semi-blown |
| 19:41.29 | foxlit | redirecting to the function/frame/template declaration, but it's not really doing much beyond hosting the stuff that's publicly available elsewhere as well. |
| 19:41.39 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 19:41.44 | Lunessa | And for the lulz - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560509852&sid=2000 |
| 19:42.10 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub hosts the framexml in a github repo, yeah? if he hasn't gotten a takedown for that, i can't imagine foxlit will |
| 19:42.23 | Maldivia | foxlit: considered making the line numbers links, so you can easily link to that line, without manually adding #[line] to the url? |
| 19:42.58 | foxlit | Maldivia: I'm not sure I can pull that off technically |
| 19:43.48 | Kraps | how is every episode of buffy encyclopedic? |
| 19:43.50 | Maldivia | hmm, sometihngl ike <li onclick="location.href="#122"> perhaps ? |
| 19:44.30 | foxlit | Hm, that's an idea |
| 19:51.18 | the-golem | If you're going todo that, why not use an anchor? |
| 19:51.35 | the-golem | <a name="122"> |
| 19:51.55 | Kraps | Japanese title: "ããã£ã¼ã¯ã¤ã¤ãªã¤ã!?" ("BafÄ« wa Iya na Yatsu!?" - "Buffy's a Bad Guy!?") |
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| 19:52.04 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.07 | Maldivia | the-golem: that's no the same |
| 19:53.41 | Maldivia | but foxlit, is there a specific reason you're using list elements? |
| 19:54.08 | foxlit | Yes; it seemed like the best way to attach line numbers to the lines. |
| 19:54.32 | the-golem | That's what anchors are for |
| 19:55.03 | NightHawkTheSane | the-golem: er, THAT anchor you posted is entirely redundant |
| 19:55.13 | NightHawkTheSane | the id attribute on the li tags takes care of it. |
| 19:55.58 | NightHawkTheSane | what you probably meant was "<a href="#122">...</a>" |
| 19:56.31 | the-golem | NightHawkTheSane: yes, you're right. |
| 19:56.48 | Maldivia | true, it will automatically increment for you, but since you're already "manually" adding the id, it could easily be an <a href="#{id}" id="{id}" class="something that looks good, and right aligned">{id}.</a> |
| 19:57.06 | the-golem | The idea was, though, why script an event to a list item, when you can use an anchor to do that exactly. |
| 19:57.19 | foxlit | Because you'd end up copying those anchors when you select code. |
| 19:57.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 19:57.44 | Maldivia | ahh yeah, that's a good reason :P |
| 19:58.32 | Maldivia | foxlit: could always add a :hover pseudo-class to them with cursor:hand or something :) |
| 19:58.58 | the-golem | foxlit: you mean, select to copy, for example? |
| 19:59.05 | Maldivia | yep |
| 19:59.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 19:59.56 | NightHawkTheSane | (and the correct rule is cursor:pointer, but yeah :P) |
| 20:00.10 | Maldivia | hehe, ok - been a while :P |
| 20:00.14 | the-golem | that's funny, cuz whenever I select text on an anchor, I just get the text. *shrug* |
| 20:00.25 | Maldivia | I did say "or something" :P |
| 20:00.43 | Maldivia | the-golem: the point is, you DONT get the <li> text when copy-pasting |
| 20:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | he was referring to using an OL vs manually doing line numbers |
| 20:00.58 | Maldivia | the-golem: meaning, you can copy multiple lines, without getting the line numbers |
| 20:01.10 | NightHawkTheSane | the list bullet/number text does not get "selected" |
| 20:01.28 | the-golem | Maldivia: I dont get <a href> stuff while copypasting either |
| 20:01.51 | NightHawkTheSane | err. what? no, you're missing the point |
| 20:02.01 | Maldivia | the-golem: if the line was: <a...>1.</a> line one <--- selecting and copying that would give you "1. line one" |
| 20:02.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 20:02.12 | Maldivia | the-golem: where as with <li> you would get "line one" |
| 20:02.50 | the-golem | I was proposing to make the actual text the link, not the whole line |
| 20:03.01 | NightHawkTheSane | and foxlit wasn't even talking about what you said |
| 20:03.22 | Cide | I propose |
| 20:03.25 | Cide | inside the li |
| 20:03.30 | the-golem | [12:57] the-golem: The idea was, though, why script an event to a list item, when you can use an anchor to do that exactly. |
| 20:03.30 | the-golem | [12:57] foxlit: Because you'd end up copying those anchors when you select code. |
| 20:03.38 | the-golem | How's that not talking about what I said? |
| 20:03.49 | NightHawkTheSane | oh don't be so fucking dense |
| 20:03.55 | NightHawkTheSane | look exactly ONE line up from your comment |
| 20:04.00 | NightHawkTheSane | THAT was what foxlit was referring to |
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| 20:04.05 | Maldivia | by "those anchors" he was refering to the text of the anchor, as in <a> TEXT </a> |
| 20:04.32 | Cide | <li style="position: relative;"><a href="#122"><div style="position: absolute; width: 30px; left: -30px; height: 15px"></div></a> function ActionButton_UpdateFlash (self)</li> |
| 20:04.34 | Cide | or equivalent |
| 20:05.05 | Cide | equivalent being "adjust pixel values according to design" |
| 20:05.18 | the-golem | And I'm supposed to know this how? Don't get all in a tiff at me because noone thought to clarify who the fuck he was talking too |
| 20:05.36 | NightHawkTheSane | You went through all the trouble to scroll up and copy two lines, but didn't bother to look at the immediately preceeding line? |
| 20:05.54 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:05.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia and I both figured this out in context without being confused, it can't be THAT hard. |
| 20:06.26 | Maldivia | you dissing me!! :) |
| 20:06.26 | the-golem | *shrug* |
| 20:07.18 | the-golem | I don't see why you had to resort to personal attacks just because I'm not as quick on the draw as some of you. |
| 20:07.21 | Cide | I think my solution is optimal? |
| 20:07.25 | Cide | confirm/deny |
| 20:07.38 | Maldivia | Cide: the problem is, that because of the variable width of the line-number, it can be a bit tricky :P |
| 20:07.50 | Cide | doesn't have to be only on the number no? |
| 20:08.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Because I take a dim view of people who don't bother to read before jumping to conclusions. |
| 20:08.14 | Cide | if it does it's not that tricky anyway since the text is monospaced |
| 20:08.24 | NightHawkTheSane | especially after it was explained. |
| 20:08.46 | foxlit | Cide: it'd work, but getting the pixel sizes right would be a pain |
| 20:08.58 | Cide | just use the same width as the column |
| 20:09.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I think just slapping an a tag just inside the li would suffice, really./ |
| 20:09.19 | the-golem | Oh, you mean how you explained the context AFTER I was so goddamn confused? |
| 20:09.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Is there other functionality of clicking on a line you're planning on? |
| 20:09.31 | foxlit | Cide: UA determines the font, though. |
| 20:09.43 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/yes_for_real_eyelashes_for_you.php |
| 20:10.12 | Cide | foxlit: well make the column a fixed width I guess |
| 20:10.19 | Dagmar | You guys are getting into a tizzy over simple HTML. |
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| 20:10.31 | Dagmar | Buy more shrink-wrapped skills or just get over it. |
| 20:11.13 | Cide | or just link to the whole line like NHTS suggested |
| 20:11.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ simplist solution |
| 20:11.34 | NightHawkTheSane | simplest* |
| 20:11.42 | Cide | well you'd probably want like line-20 |
| 20:11.52 | Cide | so that you don't end up with the line at the top of the browser window |
| 20:11.56 | Cide | which sucks ass |
| 20:12.25 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
| 20:13.00 | Maldivia | Cide: you could do: <li ...><a href="#123" style="position:absolute;margin-left:-500px;width:500px"> </a>function LuaFunction(...)</li> |
| 20:14.13 | Cide | lol |
| 20:14.21 | Cide | not with the though |
| 20:14.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I wonder if you could do some fancy stuff with li:before { content: "..."; } |
| 20:14.38 | Cide | that would get copied with a c&p I believe |
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| 20:14.47 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, true. |
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| 20:14.55 | foxlit | I don't think it likes HTML tags in there either |
| 20:15.16 | Maldivia | onclick and :hover might be the easiest way to og :) |
| 20:15.16 | Cide | Maldivia: not sure you can give it that style for inline elements either |
| 20:15.18 | Maldivia | go* |
| 20:15.24 | Maldivia | Cide: you can |
| 20:15.34 | Cide | a width? |
| 20:15.46 | Cide | and would the whole area be linked or only the nb-space? |
| 20:15.54 | Maldivia | the whole area |
| 20:16.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: why an onclick and not an a tag though? |
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| 20:16.31 | the-golem | ^^ |
| 20:16.58 | Cide | failed, Maldivia |
| 20:17.08 | Cide | chrome at least only makes the nb-space a link |
| 20:17.19 | Maldivia | Cide: ehh, no on my Chrome |
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| 20:17.29 | Cide | oh nvm |
| 20:17.34 | Cide | you need position absolute |
| 20:17.44 | Cide | I was lazy |
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| 20:18.14 | Maldivia | NHTS: to have the actual line number clickable, which is written by the <li> tag |
| 20:19.33 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, fair point. |
| 20:21.18 | foxlit | li's onclick triggers over its content area as well, which is probably an annoyance |
| 20:21.42 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. |
| 20:22.02 | NightHawkTheSane | that could interact oddly with the inline-function links, which I just now noticed. |
| 20:22.16 | Maldivia | hm, bugger |
| 20:22.27 | NightHawkTheSane | but, still better than wrapping the line in an a tag, which would just munge those links |
| 20:23.01 | Maldivia | well, you can just do the position:absolute tag like above, although without the , in which case you probably want to adda a height:1.4em :) |
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| 20:24.13 | NightHawkTheSane | thats ugly and hacky |
| 20:24.17 | Maldivia | yep! |
| 20:24.18 | Maldivia | :)= |
| 20:24.58 | Cide | I would suggest |
| 20:25.17 | Lunessa | ugly and hacky is the way we like things around here, or have you not been paying attention? |
| 20:25.27 | NightHawkTheSane | does an onclick on the li completely mask the inline links? if not, I think it might still be t he best solution. |
| 20:25.32 | Cide | in css) li:before { content: attr(rel); } |
| 20:25.49 | Cide | in html) <li rel="<a href='#{id}'>" ...>...</li> |
| 20:25.57 | Cide | er |
| 20:26.04 | Cide | in html) <li rel="<a href='#{id}'>{id}</a>" ...>...</li> |
| 20:26.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: you'd end up with the original problem if selecting the line numbers along with code. |
| 20:26.32 | Cide | maybe |
| 20:26.46 | Cide | I can't try it on the page |
| 20:30.44 | Gnamra | Hey people, I'm new to creating slash commands. Is there an easy way to create slash commands with spaces? e.g. /addon show |
| 20:31.39 | Maldivia | Gnamra: you register the "/addon" as a slash command, and to the function you specify, you get everything that's written after |
| 20:32.15 | Maldivia | Gnamra: so for instance /addon hello world --- would call your slash command handler with "hello world" as the first argument |
| 20:32.16 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command |
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| 20:33.33 | Cide | my last solution doesn't appear to work |
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| 20:34.20 | Gnamra | Thanks, Maldivia! I'll try that |
| 20:37.56 | Cide | hi Shiri |
| 20:38.00 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 20:41.00 | foxlit | teehee, launcher |
| 20:41.08 | foxlit | 99%, red bar, but the play button is enabled. |
| 20:41.16 | foxlit | Something is clearly broken here :/ |
| 20:41.24 | Maldivia | what version do you see in the top ? |
| 20:41.33 | foxlit | 12803 |
| 20:41.56 | Maldivia | ok |
| 20:42.38 | Maldivia | I've yet to be able to update any of my windows installations, where the launcher actually patched the wow and wowerror exe files correctly |
| 20:42.59 | foxlit | client seems to segfault when viewing worgen characters. |
| 20:43.12 | foxlit | 100%, red bar, enabled play button. I'm guessing it's the color indication. |
| 20:43.38 | Maldivia | try deleting the wtf/launcher.wtf file, and let it rescan what you've downloaded :P |
| 20:43.58 | Lunessa | foxlit: I get a lot of that oddness too. |
| 20:45.03 | Lunessa | Not only that, but the launcher tells me I have the whole game loaded... until I go to a new continent - then I get the in-game streaming indicator in the red. |
| 20:45.32 | Maldivia | the ingame streaming indicator goes red when you zone, it's a bug :P |
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| 20:46.08 | NightHawkTheSane | <3's beta. |
| 20:46.18 | NightHawkTheSane | did the latest build fix the feedback ui? |
| 20:46.35 | Lunessa | Welcome to beta, where bad things you won't like and certain to happen. End of story. :) |
| 20:46.39 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Yes. |
| 20:46.54 | zenzelezz | feedback UI wasn't working? Must've been tricky reporting that! |
| 20:47.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: whew. the most annoying part wasn't the bugs, but not having an easy way to report them :P |
| 20:47.37 | Lunessa | I love being in the beta, and having my voice heard and contributing to the development process. But as a player, that process can be really painful at times. |
| 20:48.07 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I kept Notepadd++ open on monitor two and just typed my notes in there. |
| 20:48.18 | A-KO | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs426.snc4/46969_421518315266_641465266_5077177_2560509_n.jpg < that was my lunch today :D |
| 20:49.01 | Maldivia | seems bloody |
| 20:49.09 | A-KO | 8 oz filet mignon, medium |
| 20:49.20 | A-KO | and that's not blood lol |
| 20:49.26 | A-KO | that's like some sauce they put on it |
| 20:49.26 | Maldivia | I know :P |
| 20:49.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, I did that a bit, but sometimes i forgot. |
| 20:49.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: pfft. bloody is good. |
| 20:49.47 | Lunessa | still needs a beta guild invite. |
| 20:50.13 | Maldivia | NHTS: It can be too bloody, depending on the cut ofcourse |
| 20:50.19 | Adys | Fisker: theres /object in cata |
| 20:50.49 | foxlit | It's on live, too |
| 20:50.56 | foxlit | /objection |
| 20:51.00 | foxlit | (and /object) |
| 20:51.12 | A-KO | filet you tend to want a little more bloody than well done |
| 20:51.14 | A-KO | so I got it medium instead |
| 20:51.18 | A-KO | I won't go below that |
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| 20:51.45 | Maldivia | I usually order medium-rare for most cuts :P |
| 20:51.47 | zenzelezz | what if you want it bloody well done? |
| 20:51.54 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: tartar? |
| 20:52.06 | zenzelezz | thought tartar was raw? |
| 20:52.26 | NightHawkTheSane | I typically go medium-rare as well, but I usually like it on the rare side |
| 20:52.43 | Maldivia | it is, so it's bloody - but also "well done", since you can't actually cook it more without ruining it :P |
| 20:52.56 | Maldivia | (or well, making it something else than tartar) |
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| 20:56.08 | Fisker | slaps NightHawkTheSane around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:56.17 | foxlit | The custom game countdown is.... 30 seconds? |
| 20:56.21 | foxlit | What were they thinking? |
| 20:59.01 | NightHawkTheSane | hah: http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=590 |
| 20:59.02 | Maldivia | that's the default settings in the editor, the developer can change it |
| 20:59.58 | Maldivia | or well, I've seen a lot of UMS games with 3, 5, 10 sec counters |
| 21:03.51 | Fisker | shouldn't be a map thing |
| 21:03.54 | Fisker | jerks |
| 21:13.14 | Dagmar | A-Ko: The "some sauce" is called Ah Jus, and is typically supposed to be made with pig's blood (so um, not kosher heh) |
| 21:13.42 | Spejnar | for anyone who cares, MLGPro just went live showing pregame show atm with day9, JP, husky, HD |
| 21:13.48 | Dagmar | Usually it involves about as much pig's blood as bacon-scented air-freshener |
| 21:14.11 | Fisker | slaps Spejnar around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:14.21 | Fisker | what game is that? |
| 21:14.22 | Cide | Spejnar: link? |
| 21:14.23 | Dagmar | <-- used to work at a steak house |
| 21:14.24 | Cide | Fisker: sc2 |
| 21:14.27 | Spejnar | Cide: http://events.mlgpro.com/takeovers/procircuit/titles/starcraft?site_id=mlgpro |
| 21:14.28 | Fisker | baww |
| 21:14.30 | Cide | ty |
| 21:14.42 | Spejnar | WoW 3v3, Halo, smash, tekken, sc2 |
| 21:14.56 | Cide | oh there's jared also |
| 21:14.58 | Spejnar | ye |
| 21:15.01 | Spejnar | usually awesome show |
| 21:16.39 | Fisker | Anyone know if an xp client would be able to use a symbolic link if it is on a share? |
| 21:20.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: picking its, but you mean "au jus", yeah? |
| 21:20.16 | NightHawkTheSane | nits* |
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| 21:20.50 | A-KO | okay, this slashdot client is hilarious |
| 21:20.57 | A-KO | Fisker: probably |
| 21:21.10 | A-KO | Fisker: since the link is actually dependent on the host, and smb doesn't give a doodoo |
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| 21:21.39 | Fisker | yeah that's what i was thinking |
| 21:21.51 | Fisker | guess i gotta get myself a test client then |
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| 21:23.22 | Lunessa | http://makikoitoh.com/journal/satoshi-kons-last-words |
| 21:25.44 | Synycyl | Hey guys... I've scoured WoWWiki and can't seem to locate a good example of not only creating but using Virtual Frames as templates! anyone have a reccomendation that isn't buying a book thats going to be worthless in about.... 3 or 4 months lol |
| 21:26.07 | NightHawkTheSane | the book will be far from useless |
| 21:26.16 | Dagmar | Deifnitely not going to become useless |
| 21:26.18 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure even the first edition is still quite useful |
| 21:26.22 | Synycyl | Really! |
| 21:26.42 | NightHawkTheSane | a lot of the fundamentals of working with the wow ui aren't changing. |
| 21:26.46 | Synycyl | I've been tossing around buying it, but wasn't certain... Very difficult to justify it knowing all the changes about to happen |
| 21:26.47 | Dagmar | The client addon API stuff changes gradually over time, not suddenly and all-at-once like the content for Cata will |
| 21:26.57 | Synycyl | right right |
| 21:27.03 | Shirik | ok guys, class colors |
| 21:27.05 | Shirik | what is red? |
| 21:27.08 | NightHawkTheSane | death knight |
| 21:27.12 | Dagmar | Warrior, afaik |
| 21:27.16 | Shirik | warrior is brown |
| 21:27.16 | NightHawkTheSane | warrior is brown |
| 21:27.21 | Shirik | thanks |
| 21:27.28 | Shirik | but that kinda screws me up |
| 21:27.29 | Dagmar | Shows how much I pay attention to people who don't have the sense to stay out of arm's reach |
| 21:28.09 | Synycyl | well... I don't have the $40 to fork out for the book so... anywhere else... I haven't been able to decipher exactly what to do looking at the WoW Interface Kit |
| 21:28.19 | Synycyl | and WoWWiki doesn't cover it a lot either |
| 21:28.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: how so? |
| 21:28.50 | Shirik | because I don't have a complete DK deck |
| 21:28.57 | Shirik | but I have red sleeves to use |
| 21:29.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 21:29.16 | Dagmar | You're color-coordinating your TCG sleeves |
| 21:29.18 | Dagmar | heh |
| 21:29.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik, step away from the cards. |
| 21:29.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:29.53 | Synycyl | Lawlz... I have to agree with Dagmar and NightHawk on that one Shirik |
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| 21:30.29 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:31.04 | Synycyl | oh well off to cook dinner |
| 21:31.35 | Lunessa | Shirik: Where do you find the /time/ man? |
| 21:31.44 | Shirik | I'm off until school starts |
| 21:31.48 | Shirik | so I'm just sitting around right now |
| 21:31.56 | Lunessa | Oh. |
| 21:32.13 | zenzelezz | Shirik doesn't find time, he bends spacetime |
| 21:32.45 | Lunessa | I suppose I should be glad you're not doing one of the following then; 1) hookers, 2) blow, 3) campaigning for political office |
| 21:33.27 | Dagmar | Shirik: So... do what most college students during break do. Chase the gender of your prefernce for a bit., |
| 21:33.35 | Shirik | ok so like |
| 21:33.43 | Shirik | let me explain something to you |
| 21:33.47 | Shirik | I go to an engineering school |
| 21:33.58 | Shirik | for every girl there is about 10 guys |
| 21:34.01 | Dagmar | THey don't have to be a fellow student |
| 21:34.08 | Shirik | and on top of that, they fit into one of two categories |
| 21:34.22 | Shirik | (a) sluts or (b) are we really sure they're a girl? |
| 21:34.32 | Dagmar | ...and frankly you should view that as a challenge, OR... do what some folks I know did. Find a nearby school with a high female:male ratio and go visit their campus |
| 21:34.35 | Shirik | let us assume for a moment that I took the second half of your advice then |
| 21:34.41 | Lunessa | Unless you build a robot which is "fully functional" you chances with females within 50 miles in the same as diddly/squat? |
| 21:34.46 | Shirik | and chose to not go after a student |
| 21:34.52 | Shirik | I am in FL |
| 21:34.57 | Dagmar | WKU was over 12:1 for two years running |
| 21:34.59 | Shirik | the average female age here is about 80 |
| 21:35.20 | Dagmar | With it being in the middle of basically, nothing, it was hard to make it across campus as a single male |
| 21:35.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: there are lot of schools in FL, not all are tech schools. |
| 21:35.43 | Lunessa | Weekends in Miami's South Beach... |
| 21:35.55 | Shirik | Miami is like |
| 21:35.58 | Shirik | 6 hours away |
| 21:35.59 | Shirik | no thank you |
| 21:36.11 | Lunessa | Oh you're in the remote part of the state. |
| 21:38.01 | Shirik | for the record |
| 21:38.08 | Lunessa | Oh look - Carter manages to do as an ex-president something he couldn't do as a president. Secure the release of a hostage. : http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-08/28/c_13466404.htm |
| 21:38.08 | Shirik | I already have my sights on someone else |
| 21:38.17 | Shirik | but we're not going there right now |
| 21:38.32 | Dagmar | So you've got a Ms. Right picked out then. |
| 21:38.46 | Shirik | democratic people's republic of korea? |
| 21:38.48 | Dagmar | What about Ms. Right Now? what about _her_ feelings, eh? |
| 21:38.49 | Shirik | is that NK? |
| 21:39.07 | Dagmar | Shirik: Oddly enough, yes |
| 21:39.29 | Lunessa | The most non-democratic place, like ever |
| 21:39.54 | Dagmar | The cognitive dissonance you are currently experiencing is normal. |
| 21:40.06 | cogwheel | is pinged |
| 21:40.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Non-democratic countries seem to like putting words such as "democratic", "peoples", and "republic" in their name. |
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| 21:40.40 | Shirik | NK chose all 3 |
| 21:40.42 | NightHawkTheSane | also "america" |
| 21:40.48 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 21:40.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: just proves they dont do anything half asssed? |
| 21:40.59 | Lunessa | Sorry, I lived through the Iranian hostage thing with Carter as President. It still leaves a bitter taste. |
| 21:41.00 | Shirik | goes off to make a country "Democratic People's Republic of America" |
| 21:41.12 | Shirik | or is that Cuba? |
| 21:41.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, i gathered that from your comment. |
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| 21:41.53 | Lunessa | I respect Carter for his work with Habitat for Humanity. As a president he was a disaster. |
| 21:42.28 | cogwheel | do geysers at gold expansions give more gas? |
| 21:42.48 | Dagmar | Ah but his policies set the stage for creating some truly awesome industrial music. |
| 21:43.21 | alestane | I don't believe so, cogwheel. |
| 21:43.53 | Shirik | Carter is a strange man |
| 21:43.53 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Disillusionment and crushed dreams are primary ingredients in art. |
| 21:44.06 | Dagmar | Exactly. *Particularly* in industrial music. |
| 21:44.29 | Dagmar | I just had to explain this to someone last week who was complaining that Trent Reznor went "all emo". |
| 21:44.54 | Dagmar | Give an industrial artist a comfy economy and lots of loose cash, and they lose their egde. |
| 21:45.02 | Dagmar | Let Bush run things for a few years and you get great stuff again |
| 21:45.54 | Dagmar | The big difference between industrial and goth amounts to how they react to it. Goths get moody, industrialists get violent. |
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| 21:46.32 | Dagmar | Down economies are far better for sub/counter-culture music than they are for pop |
| 21:47.18 | Lunessa | Unless your counter-culture is the the Summer of Love |
| 21:47.19 | NightHawkTheSane | thats not exactly a strikingly new revelation, though |
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| 21:49.08 | Dagmar | Hell, just look at Robert Smith's work after he started getting some |
| 21:49.14 | Dagmar | That was pretty hilarious. |
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| 21:49.45 | Mike-N-Go | Moooooooo. |
| 21:49.51 | Mike-N-Go | Are you happy now? |
| 21:50.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, actually |
| 21:50.26 | NightHawkTheSane | can you do that again, but in reverse? |
| 21:50.35 | Mike-N-Go | Okay, NightHawkTheUnSane. |
| 21:50.51 | Mike-N-Go | .ooooooooM |
| 21:51.08 | NightHawkTheSane | what about the part where you join in reverse? ;) |
| 21:51.25 | gintaro | Wouldn't NonSane be more correct? |
| 21:51.47 | NightHawkTheSane | too long of a nick |
| 21:52.36 | Gintaro | I was referring to Mike-N-Go's `UnSane` |
| 21:53.23 | Mike-N-Go | is :P you. |
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| 21:53.56 | Lunessa | "LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Leonardo DiCaprio has been granted a restraining order against a woman who believes she is his wife and is carrying his child -- called Jesus." |
| 21:54.26 | the-golem | lulz |
| 21:54.38 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: is she or is her "child" called Jesus? |
| 21:54.48 | Lunessa | The child |
| 21:59.21 | Lunessa | And on that note... poof. |
| 22:02.16 | durcyn | you think he knows the british vernacular meaning of that particular word? |
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| 22:02.44 | NightHawkTheSane | quite likely |
| 22:02.53 | alestane | "Rule 5: NO POOFTERS!" |
| 22:03.20 | NightHawkTheSane | but seeing as we're not in britain, he's not british, and no one here really thought thats what he meant, i dont think he cared. |
| 22:04.00 | alestane | Some of us (not me) are in fact, in Britain. |
| 22:04.11 | NightHawkTheSane | a relative minority are, i suspect |
| 22:04.55 | alestane | Of course, "we" are more usefully on the internet than in any one place. |
| 22:05.09 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
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| 22:07.59 | foxlit | http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220080270152%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20080270152&RS=DN/20080270152 |
| 22:08.22 | foxlit | mainly for the title |
| 22:10.34 | Gintaro | 99 ways to troll? |
| 22:11.14 | Shirik | is that really a patent about how to acquire a patent? |
| 22:11.30 | Gintaro | as a non-inventor |
| 22:11.43 | foxlit | and assert it against a second party. |
| 22:11.48 | NightHawkTheSane | is that the halliburton one? |
| 22:12.00 | Gintaro | uhuh |
| 22:13.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 22:13.10 | Gintaro | What I can't make out is whether this is still an application or an aquired paten |
| 22:13.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i saw that yesterdya |
| 22:13.23 | NightHawkTheSane | application, i think |
| 22:13.40 | Gintaro | Oh doh, says so at the top :( |
| 22:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh |
| 22:15.26 | NightHawkTheSane | stupid compliance training |
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| 23:04.57 | Dagmar | I *still* think that "do you have a penis?" comment earlier was hi-larious. |
| 23:06.46 | DWSR | huh? |
| 23:06.47 | DWSR | paste? |
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| 23:07.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: it really was |
| 23:10.35 | Dagmar | DWSR: I'm not sure Lunessa was that amused tho. heh |
| 23:11.17 | DWSR | http://www.theonion.com/video/internet-archaeologists-find-ruins-of-friendster-c,14389/ |
| 23:11.18 | Dagmar | ~logs |
| 23:11.19 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
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| 23:19.46 | NightHawkTheSane | oh my god, this training is so freaking boring |
| 23:22.35 | Dagmar | I thought that was the point. |
| 23:24.50 | Amarande | Night, taking a job at a goldfarming firm? |
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| 23:28.17 | PProvost | Anyone know if there is a wow function for telling me how many instances I've entered into in the last hour? |
| 23:28.36 | NightHawkTheSane | not that i'm aware, PProvost |
| 23:28.38 | PProvost | I'm trying to figure out how long until the "You have entered too many instance recently" error will go away |
| 23:29.06 | Dagmar | Check instance locks, look for more than ten less than an hour old afaik |
| 23:29.27 | NightHawkTheSane | that doesn't work for non-locking instances, though |
| 23:29.52 | Dagmar | There are better ways to farm fel ore nodes |
| 23:30.20 | NightHawkTheSane | and no, I'm doing required compliance training at work. Staring at flash slideshows for 2 hours, and mindlessly clicking through them, is threatning to put me to sleep |
| 23:30.20 | industrial | What am I doing wrong here? https://gist.github.com/b0f84cd681d0f557a342/72ae27af04d5704f86cd7d2daa46438be07d8d49 |
| 23:31.39 | Humbedooh | oh noes |
| 23:31.42 | Humbedooh | now you made me read it |
| 23:32.08 | foxlit | Besides attempting to stuff OO into Lua? |
| 23:32.33 | Humbedooh | function Cat:init (sound) |
| 23:32.33 | Humbedooh | self.sound = sound |
| 23:32.42 | Humbedooh | you declared this one without calling it ;( |
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| 23:33.35 | Humbedooh | myCat = Cat:new('BLARGHL!'); Cat:init(); Cat:sound() or something like that |
| 23:33.53 | foxlit | line 17, really. |
| 23:33.58 | NightHawkTheSane | this is like all the boring aspects of my ethics course in college, distilled into an hour of mind numbing boredom |
| 23:34.17 | foxlit | and, for much the same reason, 27. |
| 23:34.36 | Humbedooh | oh ye, you did put something nifty there |
| 23:35.02 | Humbedooh | seems like an awful lot of trouble just to get a cat to meow ;> |
| 23:36.00 | Humbedooh | however...! |
| 23:36.39 | Humbedooh | you are still declaring Cat before Cat.init (sounds a bit stupid ye) |
| 23:36.51 | Humbedooh | so the constructor doesn't have a Cat.init when it's called |
| 23:37.03 | Humbedooh | since you declare Cat.init later |
| 23:37.32 | Humbedooh | so you go: Make teh Cat! constructor goes "hm, no .init here", and you go "make teh Cat.init!" |
| 23:38.08 | Humbedooh | or something |
| 23:38.22 | Humbedooh | I need coffee |
| 23:44.34 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 23:44.41 | NightHawkTheSane | one cup a day is way to little |
| 23:45.32 | Humbedooh | way way too little |
| 23:46.12 | Humbedooh | my body is in some state or hyper immunity towards drugs, so I need a lot of it to get the desired effect |
| 23:47.16 | Humbedooh | I got a solution for you fox - just gonna reinstall Lua and test it first tho |
| 23:47.21 | Humbedooh | so I don't say something stupid :> |
| 23:51.01 | NightHawkTheSane | too late |
| 23:51.07 | Humbedooh | :( |
| 23:53.06 | Humbedooh | hm, seems to work here actually |
| 23:54.13 | Humbedooh | oh you changed it already |
| 23:58.35 | Dagmar | Yeah if you got it 4 years ago it's about time anyway |
| 23:58.38 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
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