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| 00:07.40 | Wobin | well you -can- |
| 00:07.57 | Wobin | it involves recording what levels people are, then checking if it's changed or not |
| 00:08.01 | Wobin | but it's not very efficient |
| 00:08.11 | Shedra | It causes "lag" or something? |
| 00:08.21 | Wobin | well, everything causes lag |
| 00:08.43 | Wobin | but it's more, in this case, about breadth of bandwidth |
| 00:08.53 | Wobin | do you -really- want to check -everyone- around you? |
| 00:08.57 | Wobin | Or only certain people |
| 00:09.18 | Shedra | Hm.. maybe only ppl in my party |
| 00:09.20 | Wobin | and when do you check it? Every mouseover? every screen refresh? |
| 00:09.26 | Wobin | every 5 minutes? |
| 00:09.43 | Shedra | hm.. every screen refresh would be nice.. but i think this would be.. too heavy load :D |
| 00:09.47 | Wobin | if you have a broadcaster like above, all those questions are inconsequential |
| 00:09.56 | Wobin | since you'll get a message when someone updates |
| 00:10.01 | Wobin | and nothing at any other time |
| 00:10.22 | Wobin | and you're only dealing with people who actually -want- to know (ie, other users of the addon) |
| 00:10.45 | Wobin | polling is inefficient, generally |
| 00:10.54 | Shedra | currently i use SendAddonMessage for ppl who are using the addon too... and it works fine. Just want to know if there is "hard" way :)? |
| 00:10.59 | Wobin | because the majority of the time, the poll will return falst |
| 00:11.19 | Wobin | That will work fine, Shedra =) |
| 00:12.16 | Shedra | It does :) But I want to know how this "polling" works :) |
| 00:12.37 | Cidan | you mean polling for levels of people in party? |
| 00:12.46 | Shedra | yeps |
| 00:12.49 | Wobin | polling just means you check for changes in state ever so often |
| 00:12.56 | Wobin | usually at measured intervals |
| 00:13.28 | Wobin | so it's the equivalent of a kid in the backseat going "Are we there yet?" |
| 00:13.34 | Cidan | ha |
| 00:13.34 | Wobin | "Are we there yet?" |
| 00:15.09 | Wobin | I should rephrase. Polling is generally inefficient if there are other options available to gain the information |
| 00:15.33 | Wobin | but that's like saying "Stuff doesn't work as well as other stuff" |
| 00:16.37 | Jerub | programmers don't poll if they can possibly avoid it. |
| 00:16.59 | Shirik_ | cog|away: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3571171/c-interface-question |
| 00:17.01 | Shedra | Hm.. kk |
| 00:17.12 | Shedra | Than Ill use my sendaddonmsg ;) |
| 00:18.09 | Shedra | SendAddonMessage("DMDQ", "LVLUP" .. UnitName("player"), "GUILD"); <-- I send it with this | And receive it with this: start, end, playerName = string.find(arg2, "LVLUP (.+)"); SendChatMessage("GZ " .. playerName .. " to your level up", "SAY"); |
| 00:18.25 | Shedra | Its untested.. will it work? (I skipped pasting the event handling code) |
| 00:19.05 | Cidan | Shedra: UNIT_LEVEL will do what you want; it fires when someone joins the group, updates as needed, etc. If the people are always going to be in your party, just use UNIT_LEVEL. |
| 00:20.19 | Shirik_ | I use OnUpdate for everything |
| 00:20.24 | Cidan | lol |
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| 00:26.20 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: programmers dont do anything if they can possibly avoid it. |
| 00:29.01 | Shedra | Hm.. okay, thanks a lot :) night |
| 00:31.22 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: was it slackware that did the version inflation? |
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| 00:49.06 | Shirik_ | let's say stack is turned into an array |
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| 00:49.26 | Shirik_ | which is more appropriate? the first element be the bottom of the stack or the top of the stack? |
| 00:49.40 | Cide | first element should be the top |
| 00:50.07 | Cide | easier to visualize popping element by element and placing into the array in linear order |
| 00:50.11 | Cide | and to program for that matter |
| 00:50.41 | Wobin | this ^ |
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| 00:51.55 | Shirik_ | ok |
| 00:52.07 | Shirik_ | now the ever-intriguing question |
| 00:52.15 | Shirik_ | C#'s Stack.GetEnumerator() |
| 00:52.22 | Shirik_ | do you think they did it that way |
| 00:52.35 | Cide | I'm guessing no |
| 00:58.02 | Shirik_ | Cide has so much confidence in Microsoft |
| 01:03.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik_: what |
| 01:07.24 | Shirik_ | ScytheBlade1: ? |
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| 01:07.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik_: you pinged me |
| 01:07.44 | Shirik_ | I did? |
| 01:07.50 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 01:08.05 | Shirik_ | I don't remember that |
| 01:08.25 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.25 | Shirik_ | I'm on another client right now |
| 01:12.28 | Shirik_ | because I'm on a train |
| 01:12.33 | Shirik_ | irssi + screen > train |
| 01:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 38h at work so far this week |
| 01:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | (still there) |
| 01:18.00 | ScytheBlade1 | 20x pay past 60! |
| 01:18.02 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
| 01:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | 2x |
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| 01:18.40 | Shirik_ | omg I want a job with 20x pay |
| 01:19.05 | ScytheBlade1 | me2 |
| 01:21.33 | Jerub | at the local university, they have a rule that to work the 2 weeks over new years, you need to have written permission of your head of school. |
| 01:21.37 | Jerub | .. and 6x pay |
| 01:21.56 | Jerub | it's so they can do major works without having to work around students+staff |
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| 01:22.26 | Jerub | it's the only way they can keep staff away. you're not allowed to be on premesis without being paid 6x as much, and that has to be approved by your head of school. |
| 01:22.56 | Dagmar | That's some pretty sweet OT |
| 01:23.23 | Dagmar | If you guys need a completely OCD NOC technican, I can take some vaca from here for that kinda money. ;) |
| 01:24.12 | Jerub | Dagmar: hah |
| 01:24.17 | Arrowmaster | dont hire him, i need a job more |
| 01:24.38 | Jerub | Dagmar: the point is, it's basically impossible to get approval. |
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| 01:25.11 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: wait so do they actually have no IT staff on duty then? |
| 01:26.50 | Dagmar | Hmm... You have a point. |
| 01:26.56 | Dagmar | Which network block is this? :) |
| 01:27.19 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: basically. |
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| 01:27.30 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: they have practically nobody on duty. |
| 01:27.38 | Jerub | except security and civil works. |
| 01:27.55 | Jerub | (they aren't affected by the rules, becaues the rules are only there to kick everyone out so that work can be done |
| 01:28.13 | Jerub | like digging up roads and rearranging things. :P |
| 01:30.31 | Arrowmaster | unless they shut down all the computer systems including servers, or all servers are offsite thats just stupid |
| 01:30.42 | Jerub | okay, this is scary |
| 01:30.43 | Jerub | http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/418851-diy-vidock-experiences.html |
| 01:32.03 | Arrowmaster | please tell me that is not a usb cable |
| 01:32.05 | Warloco | if im logging data into a variable, is it worth checking if that data is already in the variable or can I just go ahead and overwrite it? |
| 01:32.09 | Arrowmaster | it looks like one but it better not |
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| 01:36.05 | Wobin | what is a vidock? |
| 01:42.03 | Wobin | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/3278tedw.aspx |
| 01:42.06 | Wobin | Shirik_: ^ |
| 01:42.18 | Wobin | according to that, the enumerator enumerates them correctly |
| 01:42.23 | Wobin | but the toArray reverses them |
| 01:43.13 | Warloco | erm |
| 01:43.26 | Warloco | quick question, does list also do that? |
| 01:43.38 | Shirik_ | oh |
| 01:43.49 | Shirik_ | thanks Wobin, I was reading IEnumerable |
| 01:43.50 | Shirik_ | er |
| 01:43.52 | Shirik_ | GetEnumerator() |
| 01:44.19 | Wobin | Warloco: do what? |
| 01:44.37 | Shirik_ | how dare I actually look for documentationfor a function in the function's documentation instead of the class's |
| 01:44.50 | Wobin | the 'reversing' is due to the functionality of the stack |
| 01:44.56 | Wobin | not due to structure transference |
| 01:45.04 | Warloco | in php if you list($array[0], $array[1]) = array("bla", "moo"); |
| 01:45.26 | Cide | this discussion feels tainted already |
| 01:45.34 | Wobin | Warloco: no idea how it'll apply, this is C# |
| 01:45.35 | Warloco | than the result is $array(1 = "moo", 0 = "bla"); |
| 01:46.05 | Cide | what has that to do with c# |
| 01:46.09 | Wobin | is lost |
| 01:46.25 | Warloco | just curiousity, though php is quite heavily based on c# |
| 01:46.37 | Shirik_ | huh? |
| 01:46.40 | Wobin | perhaps abstractedly |
| 01:46.46 | Shirik_ | php came out years before C# existed |
| 01:46.55 | Wobin | (I think he means C in general) |
| 01:47.20 | Warloco | what he said |
| 01:47.21 | Warloco | >.> |
| 01:47.54 | Shirik_ | I propose a new software development process |
| 01:48.12 | Shirik_ | make everything an interface, then write the interfaces first |
| 01:48.37 | Shirik_ | I have found so many design flaws just writing out these interfaces and going through them in my head and figuring out if things will work |
| 01:49.15 | Warloco | hehe |
| 01:50.15 | A-KO | must...figure..out...a way...to extract audio from worms reloaded |
| 01:50.21 | A-KO | the l337 audio is downright hilarious |
| 01:50.26 | A-KO | "grenades are totally OP" |
| 01:50.29 | A-KO | "zomg epics!" |
| 01:51.17 | Dagmar | Shirik: That sounds dangerously like planning out one's coding. |
| 01:51.33 | Dagmar | You can't do that! It'll wreck the industry if someone starts doing that. |
| 01:52.27 | Wobin | A-KO: Worms have always managed to get good pop culture references =) |
| 01:52.36 | A-KO | they have |
| 01:52.38 | A-KO | that's why I love it |
| 01:52.42 | Wobin | ^ |
| 01:52.42 | A-KO | but I must extract that damn audio! |
| 01:52.44 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:55.53 | Wobin | A-KO: when did it get released? |
| 01:56.00 | A-KO | today |
| 01:56.06 | A-KO | well, today's pre-release |
| 01:56.09 | A-KO | tonight for people who didn't buy it :P |
| 01:56.14 | Wobin | ah =) |
| 01:56.34 | Yssaril | A-KO: is it as good as the old worms games? |
| 01:56.59 | A-KO | yes, though some people are complaining about the ninja rope--I haven't had any problems |
| 01:57.00 | A-KO | but it's great |
| 01:57.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, test. |
| 01:58.22 | A-KO | "Grenades are totally OP!" |
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| 02:01.55 | Warloco | if I add data to an array that might already exist in it, should I first check if it does; or should I just write? for example: |
| 02:01.55 | Warloco | spells[spellid] = spellname |
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| 02:07.27 | Wobin | well, you won't have any syntactical issue |
| 02:07.43 | Wobin | as in, it'll overwrite whatever is in there |
| 02:07.55 | Wobin | but if you don't -want- to overwrite, then you can check |
| 02:08.21 | Warloco | what about performance wise? |
| 02:08.41 | Warloco | assuming more often then not the entry will already exist |
| 02:10.54 | Shirik_ | stop thinking about performance |
| 02:11.39 | Shirik_ | firstly, your guesses about performance will always be wrong (not just you, any programmer should obey by that rule) |
| 02:12.09 | Shirik_ | secondly, thinking about performance on levels like that is just entirely pointless because you're not even talking about milliseconds of time |
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| 02:12.57 | Shirik_ | thirdly, Lua is not deterministic, so talking about performance on those levels is actually futile anyway |
| 02:13.58 | Wobin | fourthly, placing a check on a value before overwriting will always be more intensive than simply overwriting |
| 02:14.15 | Shirik_ | fourthly, if I sound antagonistic or a like a hard-ass, it's because I am, and I demand perfection from developers, and get over it :P |
| 02:14.16 | Wobin | but the first three points take precedence =) |
| 02:14.25 | Shirik_ | s/fourthly/fifthly/ |
| 02:14.50 | Warloco | wodin, how so would it always be faster? I mean- sure it would definitely be faster if it oesnt exist |
| 02:14.59 | Warloco | but if it does exist, is reading faster than writing? |
| 02:15.09 | Wobin | are you writing a value no matter what? |
| 02:15.11 | Warloco | Shirik answered my question anyway :p |
| 02:15.24 | Warloco | nope wob |
| 02:15.24 | Wobin | or are you only writing a value if there isn't one there |
| 02:15.48 | Warloco | if it would already exist, I wouldnt overwrite it (if I were to check) |
| 02:16.03 | Wobin | what if the old value is incorrect? =) |
| 02:16.04 | Warloco | the question was really if it was worth checking |
| 02:16.26 | Dagmar | If it can't safely be appended to, then why is it an array |
| 02:16.27 | Shirik_ | only if your logic depends on it |
| 02:16.31 | Warloco | the old value has as much probability of being incorrect as the new one (ie: near 0%) |
| 02:16.40 | Shirik_ | your logic should always be the bare-minimum to pass tests |
| 02:16.47 | Shirik_ | anything beyond that is just defect entry points |
| 02:16.56 | Wobin | well, the question is more, as Shirik_ said 'is it worth optimising at this point?' |
| 02:17.16 | Wobin | to which the answer is 'probably no' |
| 02:18.34 | Warloco | @ Dagmar: |
| 02:18.34 | Warloco | TanoSpellDB[instancename][difficulty][subzone][unit][event] = {spellid,spellname} |
| 02:18.34 | Warloco | is what I'm doing, basically |
| 02:18.34 | Wobin | but if you're only writing to empty indexes, your breakpoint in efficiency is halfway |
| 02:18.52 | Wobin | ie, it's more efficient to check before writing, rather than just writing before the halfway point of a full set |
| 02:18.56 | Warloco | with TanoSpellDB being a savedvariable |
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| 02:20.03 | Shirik_ | that is a lot of tables |
| 02:20.17 | Warloco | I know >_< |
| 02:20.39 | Wobin | what are you doing with that level of granularity? |
| 02:20.56 | Dagmar | So why would you think you can't safely append to that |
| 02:21.10 | Dagmar | Under what conditions would the old information become invalid? |
| 02:21.16 | Dagmar | s/old/previously existing/; |
| 02:21.26 | Wobin | Dagmar: in Warloco's case, none at all, since all information is valid |
| 02:21.27 | Warloco | basically the idea is an addon that keeps track of NPC abilities used in raidinstances |
| 02:21.53 | Wobin | Dagmar: and it's not about typesafeness |
| 02:22.01 | Wobin | it was about premature optimisation |
| 02:22.02 | Warloco | primarily for progress content (ie: if there is no boss mods for it yet) |
| 02:22.09 | Warloco | now I realize this is probably a bad time for such an addon |
| 02:22.14 | Warloco | but hell I might aswell |
| 02:22.21 | Wobin | get it ready for caty =P |
| 02:22.21 | Dagmar | Wobin: Yeah, but this premature optimization is being caused by some form of insanity |
| 02:22.32 | Wobin | Dagmar: most times, it is, yes |
| 02:23.10 | Dagmar | Aside from *ahem* private servers I can't think of any reason why there would be a need to check |
| 02:23.16 | Warloco | its not so much that I want to optimize to the insane, more so that I do not have a good idea of the significance of the relevant optimization |
| 02:23.36 | Dagmar | Then don't worry about optimization. Just don't write anything deranged. |
| 02:23.44 | Warloco | hehe |
| 02:23.55 | Shirik_ | 711.2 ... A link on the chain can't interrupt itself. |
| 02:23.58 | Dagmar | If your'e looking to "record that X used ability Y" then do that and *just* that |
| 02:24.00 | Wobin | Dagmar: I dunno, I've often wondered what spell the npc was cast upon me |
| 02:24.05 | Shirik_ | (Magic players: read "A card on the stack can't interrupt itself." |
| 02:24.09 | Shirik_ | no shit? |
| 02:24.13 | Shirik_ | like why would you do that |
| 02:24.44 | Dagmar | To keep it from completing it's turn |
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| 02:26.30 | Warloco | there are still bosses in wotlk, where I have no idea what im supposed to do, for the most part it is because if I entirely ignore all mechanics of the fight then the boss will die (ie: first boss in gun drak) |
| 02:27.03 | Wobin | consume |
| 02:27.16 | Warloco | the snake guy |
| 02:27.21 | Motig | that guy was quite |
| 02:27.22 | Wobin | oh |
| 02:27.22 | Motig | the pug killer |
| 02:27.23 | Motig | in 3.0 |
| 02:27.25 | Wobin | no DTK |
| 02:27.26 | Motig | or well |
| 02:27.27 | Motig | wiper |
| 02:27.28 | Wobin | yeah |
| 02:27.33 | Wobin | um, poison nova |
| 02:27.36 | Xyphoid | yeah he was mean |
| 02:27.36 | Wobin | snake wrap |
| 02:27.47 | Wobin | try to have your healer behind your tank on the balcony |
| 02:27.51 | Xyphoid | when your healer got wrapped and your whole group got a poison dot |
| 02:27.53 | Wobin | and dps down anyone who's wrapped |
| 02:28.05 | Warloco | well no, in 3.0 you could just kite him to the water, and you coudl attack him but all the adds that spawned would evade |
| 02:28.09 | Wobin | you can los the nova |
| 02:28.35 | Wobin | we used to kite him up the ramp to give enough time to kill him |
| 02:28.39 | Xyphoid | yeah that's what we did |
| 02:28.41 | Wobin | while the snakes had to climb the ramp |
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| 02:30.09 | Kraps | helo dere! |
| 02:30.37 | Shirik_ | my head hurts |
| 02:30.58 | Kraps | offers Shirik_ a chillaxative |
| 02:31.24 | Shirik_ | 714.3b Some definite modifiers from a link apply while .While [a card] remains [a specified way].. That [card] hasn.t remained [that way] if it stopped being [that way] between the time the link was created and the time it resolved. If it did stop, such a modifier isn.t created. In addition, that [card] hasn.t remained [that way] if it becomes a different card (415.9a). |
| 02:31.32 | Shirik_ | Such generic statements = ow |
| 02:31.36 | Shirik_ | I will never become a lawyer |
| 02:32.32 | Warloco | I will never become a prostitute |
| 02:32.36 | Warloco | ... I think |
| 02:32.58 | Motig | You never know where you end up |
| 02:33.20 | Warloco | :p |
| 02:35.34 | Yssaril | Warloco: have you looked at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11869-GhostRecon.html? i think it does what you want already |
| 02:36.09 | Kraps | Plain Sight is a multiplayer arcade game about suicidal ninja robots. http://store.steampowered.com/app/49900/ |
| 02:36.18 | Kraps | dayyyum |
| 02:37.52 | Shirik_ | Yssaril: Helps you become a prostitute? |
| 02:37.55 | Motig | and only 1,80 |
| 02:38.04 | Motig | lol |
| 02:38.43 | Warloco | Yssaril: : thats pretty close to what I want yes |
| 02:38.43 | Warloco | not exactly, but pretty close |
| 02:38.43 | Yssaril | Shirik: lol |
| 02:39.36 | Yssaril | what is it missing Warloco? |
| 02:41.38 | Warloco | mostly a method of browsing per zone/subzone and zone-auras |
| 02:43.11 | Warloco | also im contemplating that once all my base functionality is in, I could add functionality for basic warnings |
| 02:43.12 | Yssaril | yea its not all to good for that (though you may talk the auther into improving the browser) |
| 02:44.12 | Cide | Adys: hi |
| 02:44.40 | Warloco | thanks for the link though, I think I might try that addon out |
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| 02:45.47 | Warloco | it also seems like an addon that will become quite useful in cata |
| 02:47.18 | Yssaril | only drawback is you have to survive for long enough to get to know all the spells of a more complex boss :P |
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| 02:48.48 | Warloco | theres always that |
| 02:48.51 | Warloco | I guess |
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| 02:57.35 | Arrowmaster | Warloco: have you looked at MobSpells? |
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| 02:58.52 | Warloco | Arrow; ill have a look |
| 02:59.35 | Warloco | seems very out of data atm Arrow |
| 02:59.43 | Arrowmaster | why would you say that |
| 02:59.57 | Arrowmaster | does it still work? |
| 02:59.59 | Arrowmaster | it should |
| 03:00.22 | Warloco | probably still does work |
| 03:00.27 | Yssaril | Warloco: the way spells are getting sent to the client shouldnt have changed much since 2.0 i think |
| 03:00.44 | Warloco | I know, but I suspect the UI elements might be messed up |
| 03:00.49 | Warloco | depending on how much of that it has |
| 03:00.50 | Arrowmaster | i doubt that |
| 03:01.03 | Yssaril | basic UI functions havent changed either |
| 03:01.06 | Arrowmaster | but Antiarc wrote that during the 2.4 PTR and it basically hasnt changed since |
| 03:01.44 | Warloco | the description for the addon is very bare >_< |
| 03:02.17 | Dagmar | It says what it does, right/ |
| 03:02.24 | Yssaril | those are sometimes the best (and antiarc does good work imo) |
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| 03:03.38 | Warloco | roughly Dagmar |
| 03:04.26 | Warloco | it doesnt tell me much about how I can browse the logged data / what exactly gets logged |
| 03:04.36 | Warloco | no screenshot etc |
| 03:05.06 | Yssaril | Warloco: screenshot taken by a chinese guy http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6486/001mxf.jpg |
| 03:05.06 | Arrowmaster | all spells get logged |
| 03:05.37 | Arrowmaster | you look at the mob and it says what spells they have used |
| 03:06.13 | Warloco | ill try that addon out aswell |
| 03:06.19 | Arrowmaster | thats it, you get to see the name and tooltip for any ability a mob has used near you |
| 03:12.52 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2AmmtQEKPs http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/tech/Pay-Up-or-Shut-Up-Bloggers-Charged-300-for-Their-Thoughts-101302694.html |
| 03:18.15 | Shirik_ | Kraps: I am somewhere I can't actually watch that video |
| 03:18.22 | Shirik_ | describe to me on a level 1-10 how awesome it is |
| 03:18.58 | Kraps | its ciderhelm talking about the topic of the article |
| 03:19.15 | Dagmar | Kraps: I don't see them really being able to enforce that. |
| 03:19.41 | Shirik_ | I think it's unconstitutional |
| 03:19.42 | Kraps | so the awesomeness is directly related to how much you like listening to him |
| 03:19.45 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: cant they just fine you for it? |
| 03:19.53 | Arrowmaster | or add it to your taxes |
| 03:19.59 | Shirik_ | doesn't this fall under interstate trade? |
| 03:21.06 | Arrowmaster | i could see this going to court and the court saying that requiring the fee when the revenue is less than the fee is illegal because its a form of 'censorship' or something |
| 03:21.27 | Shirik_ | or it could violate the first amendment |
| 03:21.28 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Free speech. |
| 03:21.36 | Shirik_ | it's not like the government owns the internet |
| 03:21.53 | Dagmar | Basically, they're charging people to be able to speak their minds. |
| 03:21.58 | Arrowmaster | but the argument that they could just remove the ads is a good counter to the free speech though |
| 03:22.13 | Shirik_ | I thought the ads didn't make a difference |
| 03:22.15 | Shirik_ | you stil had to pay |
| 03:22.17 | Arrowmaster | its more of preventing people from making money |
| 03:22.26 | Shirik_ | "This $300 .business privilege license. is for all local bloggers . even the ones that make no money off their words." |
| 03:22.34 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 03:22.35 | Arrowmaster | Shirik_: the ads consititute the 'profit' part thus the business |
| 03:22.40 | Dagmar | I have a blog. Eshk-a-babble. |
| 03:22.53 | Dagmar | If Nashville tries that I might just send them a picture of my middle finger. |
| 03:23.08 | Shirik_ | you should blog about that when you do it |
| 03:23.28 | Arrowmaster | from what i heard its because they reported advertising income on their federal taxes the city says they need a business license because it is a business |
| 03:24.07 | Dagmar | Either way, the thing was written to apply to bloggers, not the buisness. |
| 03:24.33 | Dagmar | Besides which, for some of these guys the ads are the most interesting content they have |
| 03:24.42 | Arrowmaster | somebody in philly should make some stupid non blog website about this incident and put ads on it then see if the city wants them to get a business license |
| 03:25.15 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: they didnt create anything new, they just said these bloggers needed the license |
| 03:25.29 | Arrowmaster | the license already existed its a standard business license in the city |
| 03:25.36 | Dagmar | If some paper pusher is making up fees it would be even more hilarious |
| 03:25.49 | Arrowmaster | it likely is that |
| 03:26.00 | Dagmar | You don't necssarily have to get a business _licence_ to operate |
| 03:26.20 | Arrowmaster | somebody in accounting sees that somebody made advertising revenue on their federal income and then flags them as needed a business license |
| 03:26.29 | Dagmar | SIngle prop stuff you file as normal income |
| 03:27.56 | Arrowmaster | from http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/features/high_tech/20100823_ap_bloggerscryingfouloverphillybusinesstax.html |
| 03:28.05 | Arrowmaster | If a blog takes money for advertising, or sells photographs or other goods, it's a business and must pay for a license , no matter how little it makes , plus taxes on profits. |
| 03:28.46 | Dagmar | I'd move. |
| 03:29.03 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/25/the-web-full.jpg |
| 03:29.18 | Dagmar | THere's plenty of states where you can operate and simply file taxes as DBA. No licence needed. |
| 03:29.24 | Arrowmaster | i read elsewhere some photographer said that if they made less money in a year from photographs than a business license costs they the government considered it a hobby that just happened to make some small insignificant income |
| 03:30.05 | Arrowmaster | not speaking of philly but the federal government i think |
| 03:30.11 | Dagmar | Yeah the IRS gets a little upset if you wind up being audited and the money is so piddling little it doesn't affect your filing bracket |
| 03:30.22 | Dagmar | ...because it's a waste of their time. |
| 03:31.05 | Arrowmaster | all this is is just a move to make more money for the city |
| 03:31.14 | Dagmar | It's the wrong place to grab for it |
| 03:31.38 | Dagmar | Yer basically putting out a news as a blogger |
| 03:31.38 | Shirik_ | I'm going to hurt the guy that came up with "multiple inheritance is a bad idea" |
| 03:31.38 | Arrowmaster | have you seen all the low things cities have been doing the past few years just to make some extra money |
| 03:31.53 | Dagmar | oh yeah |
| 03:32.07 | Dagmar | GENERALLY you're supposed to assess the impact of that first |
| 03:32.44 | Arrowmaster | one city got caught reducing the yellow time on their lights to below the legal requirement (legal requirement is that they all be at an exact time) just so they could catch more people with their red light cameras and get more fines |
| 03:32.44 | Dagmar | Things that would put 90% of a cottage industry (and that's stretching the meaning of "industry") aren't the sort of things you tax |
| 03:33.26 | Dagmar | er put them into the red |
| 03:34.07 | Arrowmaster | this country seriously needs an uprising against the politicians |
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| 03:34.24 | Dagmar | It's looking that way |
| 03:34.35 | Arrowmaster | like i wonder how much the city leaders are making a year from tax pays while they complain that the city doesnt have enough money |
| 03:34.45 | Arrowmaster | this applies to many cities |
| 03:34.56 | Dagmar | TOo often petty little bureaucrats seem to think that the purpose of people is to fund the gov'y |
| 03:34.58 | Arrowmaster | and public schools |
| 03:35.03 | Arrowmaster | public schools are so bad |
| 03:35.27 | Dagmar | TN operated in the black for ages |
| 03:35.45 | Dagmar | ...then some fuckers decided we need a sports stadium, then another one |
| 03:35.52 | Dagmar | Suprise... we're in the red |
| 03:36.03 | Dagmar | Then they started talking about adding more taxes |
| 03:36.28 | Dagmar | The THIRD stadium proposed was met with some serious hostility |
| 03:37.14 | Dagmar | ...because the two stadiums that were built were, suprise suprise handed right over to private institutions |
| 03:37.27 | Dagmar | Not sold, but given. |
| 03:37.35 | Cidan | Sports suck. |
| 03:37.38 | Cidan | That is all. |
| 03:38.52 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: is it possible to file a class action lawsuit against the state on behalf of all the citizens in a situation like that? |
| 03:39.03 | Dagmar | As far as I know it is |
| 03:39.08 | Arrowmaster | that cant be legal, building stadiums with tax payer money then giving them away |
| 03:39.31 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You'd THINK so, but for some reason it was done based on that the state thought it couldn't affordably run the things |
| 03:39.35 | Dagmar | Go figure |
| 03:39.49 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: so they could atleast LEASE them |
| 03:39.57 | Arrowmaster | for dirty cheap over a very long time |
| 03:40.00 | Arrowmaster | or something |
| 03:40.14 | Dagmar | Policians and bribes. |
| 03:40.20 | Arrowmaster | its not like it needs to be paid off quickly, unless the construction was so bad they wont last 20-30 years |
| 03:40.43 | Dagmar | Gaylord, the people who ran Opryland, are definitely buying off someone |
| 03:41.03 | Dagmar | THeir hotel was exempted from a tax that was supposed to go towards building more stuff |
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| 03:41.24 | Dagmar | ...instead, they were allowed to simply set aside that money towards expansions of their own later. |
| 03:41.38 | Dagmar | ...and they even managed to get permission to go ahead and use it to repair the hotel after the flooding. |
| 03:41.39 | Arrowmaster | corruption is rampant, even in congress all they do is play their little games of 'if you vote for my bill ill vote for your bill' |
| 03:42.05 | Dagmar | We need a way to automatically punt people from office based on misbehaviour like that alone |
| 03:42.12 | Arrowmaster | which i find appalling |
| 03:42.17 | kd3 | but then there'd be nobody in office |
| 03:42.25 | Dagmar | ...and I mean punt them out _early_, not just this "well vote against them" crap |
| 03:42.49 | Cidan | wow |
| 03:42.51 | Cidan | uh |
| 03:42.58 | Dagmar | kd3: Then they couldn't be working so hard at making things worse. |
| 03:42.59 | Cidan | WoW just caused my graphics card to go crazy |
| 03:43.00 | Dagmar | Win-win really. |
| 03:43.03 | Cidan | and artifact |
| 03:43.11 | kd3 | overheating? |
| 03:43.25 | Cidan | might be |
| 03:43.30 | Xyphoid | i love the corruption you can get from flaky hardware |
| 03:43.33 | Kraps | STOP THIS REVOLUTIONARY TALK |
| 03:43.45 | Xyphoid | i have some screenies of auchindown looking like something from Hellraiser |
| 03:43.58 | Arrowmaster | if i was president i would give an executive order that every bill from congress must come with a list of who didnt vote at all, who voted against and atleast a one sentence response of why they voted against it, and if any bill didnt come with those it would not be signed, then take and post all of those online for the people to see |
| 03:44.04 | Dagmar | I've got stuff about the "pro-rape" vote two of our senators were in on ready to go for the fall election cycl |
| 03:44.22 | Cidan | I hate shit like that |
| 03:44.24 | Arrowmaster | let the people see the patterns in exactly why their reps are not voting on bills |
| 03:44.25 | Cidan | "pro-rape" |
| 03:44.26 | Cidan | Shut up. |
| 03:44.28 | Cidan | Just stop talking. |
| 03:44.35 | Dagmar | Cidan: No u |
| 03:44.37 | Cidan | And stop buying into this side or that side media. |
| 03:44.42 | Cidan | No one is fucking "pro-rape" |
| 03:44.47 | Dagmar | Apparently, they are. |
| 03:44.51 | Arrowmaster | Cidan: rapists |
| 03:44.58 | Dagmar | You don't even know what bill I'm talking about. |
| 03:44.59 | Jerub | http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionFirstPrefsByVoteType-15508-156.htm |
| 03:45.03 | Cidan | No, go back and read text for your self, not news from Fox/CNN/Whatever. |
| 03:45.05 | Jerub | (speaking of democracy) |
| 03:45.31 | Jerub | i get all my american news from stephen colbert and john stewart |
| 03:45.33 | Jerub | i <3 it |
| 03:45.33 | Dagmar | Cidan: Unless you even have an idea of what bill I'm referrig to, you should probably just be quiet |
| 03:45.51 | Cidan | Try me. |
| 03:45.56 | Cidan | Let's go, show me the bill. |
| 03:46.00 | Dagmar | If you knew, you'd have already said. |
| 03:46.03 | Dagmar | So get stuffed. |
| 03:46.10 | Cidan | That's what I thought. |
| 03:46.36 | Warloco | meh conspiracy theorists are silly |
| 03:46.36 | Dagmar | I didn't read freaking CNN. I read the damn bill. |
| 03:46.46 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: the thing is, idealists like obama were all "derp this will be the most transparent gvmnt evar!!!!!" turns out you cant really do that |
| 03:46.56 | Dagmar | I was *aghast* that anyone had the cojones to vote against it |
| 03:47.20 | Kraps | no one really knows what goes on in there |
| 03:47.22 | Warloco | the other day I saw this shitty video about how google was founded by the cia and how they wanted to ban all 'alternative media' from the internet |
| 03:47.30 | Dagmar | ...but apparently party politics were more important that keeping an eye on defense contractors. |
| 03:48.18 | Arrowmaster | seriously, having each congressman (or one of their underlings) write up a short explanation of exactly why they didnt vote for a bill would be such a good thing, then those that actually refuse to vote for bills that get so much extra fluff added to them like exemptions for lobbyists or other crap will have an official defense against all the bad press they get for doing |
| 03:49.22 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Well-intentioned or not, I don't think that would accomplish much. There's nothing to stop them from just saying "badly concieved legislation" |
| 03:49.23 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: transparency in government isnt whats needed, its transparency in exactly what your elected officials are doing on your behave |
| 03:49.45 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: if they do that then you can see the pattern |
| 03:50.16 | Xyphoid | a pattern of badly conceived legislation? i'm not sure that would reflect on the person voting |
| 03:50.37 | Dagmar | Issuing reports on what legislation was on deck and who voted for what and pushing it out there into the daylight in a less nightmarish format would maybe do some good |
| 03:50.50 | Arrowmaster | well it would reflect on their desire to fill out the information |
| 03:51.01 | Dagmar | I'm used to sorting through that shit and I still find it a pain in the ass |
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| 03:51.50 | Xyphoid | i mean let's say i'm an opposition member. i'd *love* it if the government were posting my explanations for why i voted against everything publicly |
| 03:51.55 | Dagmar | There's no way to expect the average person (and by that I mean reasonably literate people, who I know aren't average) to be able to sift through the crap in it's current form. |
| 03:51.56 | Xyphoid | it's a brand new platform |
| 03:52.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah if you get something that ends up on the presidents desk but just barely and you can easily spot that the majority of those that did not vote objected to some passage that has no reason to be in the bill in the first place you start looking at exactly who wrote it and who passed it |
| 03:53.04 | Arrowmaster | and they have been hiding that out of place shit all over for years |
| 03:53.06 | Dagmar | Pork is pretty easy to spot without statistical analysis |
| 03:53.55 | Dagmar | Most of the time when they don't vote, it's because they weren't there |
| 03:54.09 | Arrowmaster | which is just as bad |
| 03:54.10 | Dagmar | There's no obligation for them to actually sit in the damn chair that I've seen |
| 03:56.07 | Dagmar | ...and just to pee in someone's Wheaties... http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/07/kbr-rape-franken-amendment/ |
| 03:56.36 | Dagmar | The proposal was for exactly what the article says. No more, no less. |
| 03:56.47 | Dagmar | Probably one of the more cleanly-written ones too |
| 03:57.57 | Dagmar | So, more than just hand-waiving about possible and wholly theoretical abuses... we had an actual concrete instance of it being used in a manner most people would only construe as abusive. |
| 03:57.58 | bleeter | http://www.tuaw.com/2010/08/25/mac-indie-dev-asks-the-pirate-bay-to-keep-a-torrent-of-his-softw/ |
| 04:12.33 | Arrowmaster | reverse psychology at its best |
| 04:12.42 | Arrowmaster | you bitch about pirates, more people pirate your stuff |
| 04:13.03 | Arrowmaster | you bitch about pirates doing a bad job and demand they do a quality crack, more people buy your stuff |
| 04:14.24 | mikma | or, people just lol at it and continue life |
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| 04:20.04 | Kraps | Dagmar: and i used to be a "repubs FTW!" guy |
| 04:20.23 | Kraps | this is why i have no opinions on anything anymore |
| 04:21.04 | Arrowmaster | they are both bad, but if you pay attention to the ones that will cross the party line and vote for something their peers wont those are the ones you want to keep an eye on because they might just be the kinda people that should be there |
| 04:22.07 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: those guys just get shouted down and pushed aside by the fringe nuts |
| 04:22.57 | Kraps | no president has ever won on being a centrist |
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| 04:23.54 | awweaver | hmm... Last failed attempt from: awweaver!~awweaver@c-98-212-17-74.hsd1.il.comcast.net on Aug 03 04:32:45 2010. |
| 04:25.56 | awweaver | I dont know know if that was me or not... |
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| 04:33.34 | Shirik_ | wtf |
| 04:33.43 | Shirik_ | Lady Katrana Prestor, 5, Ally.Black Dragon Traitor, Unique, 4 [Fire] ATK / 5 Health |
| 04:33.46 | Shirik_ | Traitor Hero Required |
| 04:33.48 | Shirik_ | (15) >>> Remove all of your cards in all zones from the game and start an Onyxia Raid. |
| 04:34.02 | Shirik_ | that ability says osmething along the lines of "start playing another game" |
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| 04:38.23 | Kraps | card game? |
| 04:39.56 | Shirik_ | yes |
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| 04:41.05 | Shirik_ | If a loop of mandatory actions involves one or more triggered effects, and no player is able and |
| 04:41.09 | Shirik_ | willing to break it, one full iteration must first be performed. Then, the player that controlled the |
| 04:41.12 | Shirik_ | first triggered effect in that loop must choose a number greater than 1 million. |
| 04:41.16 | Shirik_ | I wish I could just assume infinity == 1 million |
| 04:41.22 | Shirik_ | would make math so much easier |
| 04:41.30 | Kraps | is this a computer game? |
| 04:41.35 | Kraps | or irl? |
| 04:41.36 | Shirik_ | no, wow TCG |
| 04:41.53 | Jerub | same rule is in magic. |
| 04:42.06 | Shirik_ | I thought magi's rule was if an infinite loop occurs, all players lose |
| 04:42.18 | Jerub | what? not what i thought |
| 04:42.32 | Dagmar | Nah more like if an infinite loop occurs, a rule change is needed |
| 04:42.49 | Shirik_ | Dagmar: The rulebook actually shows a possible invocation of the rule :) |
| 04:42.54 | Kraps | i have no idea how TCGs work |
| 04:43.09 | Dagmar | Kraps: Well, you start with a complete lack of sex |
| 04:43.36 | Kraps | awesome, i got that down |
| 04:43.55 | Shirik_ | then you become awesome like me |
| 04:44.04 | Xyphoid | it's a draw in magic if it's an infinite loop from non-optional actions |
| 04:44.09 | Shirik_ | unfortunately that is impossible |
| 04:44.22 | Shirik_ | Xyph:ok |
| 04:44.26 | Shirik_ | er |
| 04:44.32 | Shirik_ | I have no idea how I did that |
| 04:44.53 | Dagmar | I phrased that badly |
| 04:45.03 | Dagmar | I know too many card gamers. |
| 04:46.15 | Kraps | dont all gamers start with a complete lack of sex? |
| 04:47.22 | Dagmar | Actually, that wasn't the sort of thing I was referring to. |
| 04:47.35 | Dagmar | More along the lines of "players are not allowed to use sex as a bargaining tool during play" |
| 04:48.08 | kd3 | that's not a very fun rule to invoke |
| 04:48.32 | Dagmar | You forget the ratio of actually hot chicks to guys who can't get a date at these things |
| 04:48.33 | Wobin | Dagmar: There's a modifier to that rule |
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| 04:48.47 | Kraps | ponders |
| 04:48.47 | Wobin | "You can use sex as a bargain, only if you fufil it before end of game" |
| 04:48.58 | kd3 | lmao |
| 04:49.15 | Dagmar | THe Dragon*Con people would probably have to take a minute to discuss that one |
| 04:50.37 | Shirik_ | actually that is in fact a rule |
| 04:50.40 | Kraps | does warcraft have a pen-paper game? |
| 04:52.20 | Shirik_ | 102.1b A player may concede at any time to remove him or herself from the current game. |
| 04:52.24 | Shirik_ | P3.2 Players may concede a game or match for any reason, provided they do not accept compensation for their concession. Offering or accepting a bribe is grounds for disqualification, as described in the penalty guidelines. |
| 04:53.00 | Shirik_ | i.e., no sex for consession |
| 04:53.06 | Jerub | Kraps: yes, based on d20 rules |
| 04:53.32 | Shirik_ | Jerub: Really? |
| 04:53.44 | Kraps | i dont know anything about those games either so... |
| 04:53.54 | Jerub | Shirik_: .. uh. yes. |
| 04:54.44 | awweaver | Anyone ever watched/read the book series "The Dresden Files" by Jim Butcher? |
| 04:54.53 | Dagmar | Probably at least a third of the channel |
| 04:55.11 | Dagmar | Let's not put those words "watched" and "read" that close together tho |
| 04:55.12 | awweaver | really? |
| 04:55.18 | awweaver | lol |
| 04:55.40 | Dagmar | Hah. I see you know _why_ I said that |
| 04:55.42 | awweaver | Hey now u people the show was awesome(IMHO) dont ban me.... |
| 04:56.00 | Dagmar | The show was okay, but it sure as hell wasn't the books. |
| 04:56.08 | awweaver | .... |
| 04:56.18 | Dagmar | A _cell phone_? |
| 04:56.28 | awweaver | There is an RP out for it |
| 04:56.29 | Dagmar | That didn't make you say "What-what-WHAT?" |
| 04:56.34 | awweaver | RPG |
| 04:56.51 | awweaver | I helped "beta test it" |
| 04:56.56 | Dagmar | Harry probably gets his power from glitter |
| 04:58.00 | Xyphoid | i'm hearing good things about the rpg |
| 04:58.00 | awweaver | ? |
| 04:58.00 | awweaver | I was in it...i have the pdfs on my computer |
| 04:58.00 | awweaver | (murder for a printer to print out btw |
| 04:58.00 | Dagmar | Nah I'm just being sarcastic because the show deviated so badly |
| 04:58.00 | awweaver | I liked bob in the show though |
| 04:58.01 | awweaver | (again dont kill me) |
| 04:58.08 | Dagmar | Well, yeah, I actually thought that Bob made a decent replacement |
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| 04:58.27 | Dagmar | No better or worse than the original, and in their defense I can say that the show's Bob definitely played better for a TV |
| 04:58.52 | awweaver | and his "Lab" |
| 04:59.03 | awweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.05 | awweaver | house |
| 04:59.09 | awweaver | not right... |
| 04:59.10 | Dagmar | At least this isn't the 80's tho where a glowy-eyed skull telling someone to do magic stuff would have the fundies up in arms |
| 04:59.25 | awweaver | yea |
| 04:59.45 | Dagmar | The whole turning Harry into a slightly eccentric yuppie did not sit well with me. |
| 04:59.59 | awweaver | ...its TV... |
| 05:00.14 | awweaver | Im on book 6, well i havent got the book yet |
| 05:00.26 | Dagmar | There's a problem with doing that tho that's pretty major |
| 05:00.40 | Dagmar | Recons are generally less destructive when they're fairly minor. |
| 05:00.53 | Fisker | i came |
| 05:00.55 | Dagmar | Harry lived in the freaking basement for a reason with piles and piles of history behind it. |
| 05:01.24 | Dagmar | 1. Adopted by a lunatic who later Harry has to snuff |
| 05:01.39 | awweaver | Exactly and his office int he same building did wonders for his umm...i forget the word...wards? |
| 05:01.56 | Dagmar | So no schooling, no college sort of thing beyond what he had to start at the bottom of the economy for |
| 05:02.05 | Dagmar | Plus, his place is constantly getting tore the hell up |
| 05:02.23 | Dagmar | You don't live somewhere high rent with BIG GLASS WINDOWS and be Harry |
| 05:02.44 | Fisker | THIS IS AN OUTRAGE |
| 05:02.55 | Dagmar | ...and on a personal note, I was very upset we never got to see McNally's |
| 05:03.41 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/26/nike-files-patent-for-auto-lacing-sneakers-marty-mcfly-doth-pro/ <-i like this |
| 05:04.24 | Dagmar | ...and the guy's professional life isn't exactly the sort of thing that even pays the rent on a place like he was in |
| 05:05.13 | Dagmar | At least he had a hidden room for his lab in the pilot |
| 05:06.41 | awweaver | yea... |
| 05:07.06 | Kraps | 260 Buffy: The Vampire Slayer and Harry Potter Crossovers |
| 05:07.21 | awweaver | ? |
| 05:07.29 | Kraps | nice |
| 05:08.02 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gu7jsgjUM0 better crossover |
| 05:08.36 | awweaver | Ok im not going to watcht hat, i dont want it ot tarnish Harry potter...(what,i love the series) |
| 05:08.55 | Dagmar | Oh HELL yes |
| 05:08.58 | awweaver | and i was never into Buffy |
| 05:09.09 | Dagmar | The video has nothing to do with Harry Potter or Buffy |
| 05:09.17 | awweaver | oo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147062&cm_sp=ProductSpotlight-_-20-147-062-_-08252010 |
| 05:09.21 | awweaver | .... |
| 05:10.26 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: theres also a buffy/twilight video |
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| 05:11.16 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwM3GvaTRM |
| 05:26.47 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 05:26.51 | Fisker | i farted on you |
| 05:26.52 | Fisker | for free |
| 05:27.26 | Kraps | i (dont) appreciate that |
| 05:27.35 | Kraps | so (no) thank you |
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| 05:31.56 | Fisker | awww Kraps |
| 05:32.11 | Fisker | you knew my parser ignored words and sentences in () |
| 05:33.02 | Kraps | i didnt |
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| 06:34.32 | Fisker | wtf |
| 06:34.35 | Fisker | that's a first |
| 06:34.47 | Fisker | i somehow made my VM crash |
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| 06:36.28 | Fisker | ok that's weird, it was just some random event :o |
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| 06:38.54 | zenzio | "That's a bold statement, as gamers hate to be called piratesâand they will pirate your game in retaliation for being called piratesâ(...)" |
| 06:43.01 | Ackis | Shirik: did you just track me down in game? |
| 06:43.38 | Ackis | I don't think it was you but wanted to be sure before I go with the ingame report on that duder |
| 06:43.57 | Ackis | http://paste.wowace.com/bw39nrav16ukxslp/ |
| 06:46.34 | zenzio | Ackis: well, are you "ganna" use them? ;) |
| 06:46.46 | Ackis | :P |
| 06:46.52 | Ackis | I don't have that many anymore |
| 06:47.00 | Ackis | because I used em :P |
| 06:47.01 | zenzio | spent them? |
| 06:47.06 | zenzio | hehe |
| 06:47.12 | zenzio | what on? |
| 06:47.25 | Ackis | tabards, etc |
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| 07:06.54 | Fisker | meh |
| 07:07.26 | Fisker | Why did Microsoft go through all the trouble of requring powershell scripts to be signed for execution when you can simply call powershell with the commands you wanna run :( |
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| 08:23.21 | laeg | has anyone got the curse client working on linux? |
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| 08:24.19 | laeg | i've curse version 3.0.0.10 installed, which reportedly works from the wine appdb, it says logged in: laeg: regular, but when i click on check for addon updates it tells me "you must be logged in to check for addon updates" |
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| 08:40.28 | Arrowmaster | version 3 wont work on linux afaik |
| 08:44.04 | Arrowmaster | oh theres a version 4 now? |
| 08:44.38 | Arrowmaster | oh wait nvm, its version 4 that will never run on linux and version 3 that works fine |
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| 08:55.24 | Fisker | so Arrowmaster |
| 08:55.24 | Fisker | are you bad enough a dude to use chrome 7? |
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| 08:55.24 | Arrowmaster | dont use chrome |
| 08:55.24 | Fisker | then you suck |
| 08:55.24 | Fisker | (dude) |
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| 08:59.41 | Fisker | BUG=things aren't as green as they should be |
| 08:59.41 | Fisker | TEST=things get greener |
| 08:59.46 | Fisker | lol chromium |
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| 09:10.39 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPDY <-why haven't i been informed of this? |
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| 10:08.31 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/1013475738 |
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| 10:31.45 | Fisker | ready about spdy Adys ? |
| 10:31.48 | Fisker | read- |
| 10:31.49 | Fisker | * |
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| 10:41.37 | Adys | no? |
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| 11:06.03 | Adys | Fisker: ^ |
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| 11:31.05 | Fisker | k Adys :( |
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| 12:34.04 | alestane | ~logs |
| 12:34.34 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
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| 13:34.26 | Shirik_ | pets Fisker |
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| 13:35.10 | Lopeppeppy | watches closely to see how many hands Shirik has left when he's done. |
| 13:35.49 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 13:35.56 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaaaaay! |
| 13:37.06 | Kraps | hey all |
| 13:38.56 | Shirik | pets Kraps |
| 13:39.20 | Kraps | thats... nice |
| 13:40.58 | Kraps | is this site broken for anyone else? http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/ |
| 13:41.33 | foxlit | unanswerable question |
| 13:41.44 | foxlit | it's not broken for me, but I can't assert anything about everyone else. |
| 13:41.46 | Lopeppeppy | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/ |
| 13:42.15 | Kraps | i meant the page is all wonky |
| 13:42.27 | Shirik | ~wiki Things i would do to tulisa contostavlos |
| 13:42.32 | foxlit | Doesn't look that unusual, Kraps. |
| 13:42.45 | foxlit | Three column blog, seems okay. |
| 13:45.15 | Kraps | hmm, i have a bunch of things out of place, bunch of words stuck on the left side, on top of a photo that go there somhow |
| 13:46.21 | foxlit | http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/bagbuilder?taskId=1621589 <<? |
| 13:47.02 | Kraps | Shirik: needs some copyediting |
| 13:47.34 | foxlit | Meh, bad link. |
| 13:48.03 | Kraps | foxlit: pretty cool |
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| 13:49.05 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/box/bag.png is what I wanted to link, though :) |
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| 13:56.15 | jnwhiteh | haste: I have an env set, but when I call make it doesn't appear that its set |
| 13:56.15 | mikma | haste: nsfw http://twitpic.com/2i3kbw |
| 13:56.22 | jnwhiteh | anything wacky that zsh does with that? |
| 13:56.36 | mikma | wobin: see url i pasted to haste |
| 14:04.06 | Wobin | mikma: that's kind of terirble |
| 14:07.29 | mikma | wobin: its awesome |
| 14:08.35 | Kraps | ~wiki PayPal Mafia |
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| 14:14.25 | haste | jnwhiteh: ha? |
| 14:14.36 | jnwhiteh | i have export FOO="blah" |
| 14:14.38 | jnwhiteh | that works fine |
| 14:14.41 | jnwhiteh | but when I type make |
| 14:14.48 | jnwhiteh | the environment variable is no longer there |
| 14:15.05 | haste | sounds odd :o |
| 14:15.13 | haste | I need to restart weechat it seems as well |
| 14:15.16 | jnwhiteh | yeah, no idea why its happening. |
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| 14:17.48 | Thunder_Child | http://www.amazon.com/The-WineRack-200-007-Wine-Small/dp/B001FYXY7G?tag=dealswoot-20 |
| 14:18.51 | haste | oh wait, it was only screen sucking, not weechat failing |
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| 14:19.24 | haste | jnwhiteh: what does echo ${FOO |
| 14:19.28 | haste | } give you in that case |
| 14:20.03 | jnwhiteh | the value it's set to |
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| 14:21.07 | mitch0 | jnwhiteh: try make -DFOO="blah" |
| 14:21.13 | jnwhiteh | that works |
| 14:21.17 | jnwhiteh | i shoudl not have to do that, however. |
| 14:21.25 | jnwhiteh | and don't have to under bash |
| 14:21.58 | mitch0 | *shrug* never used zsh |
| 14:22.01 | jnwhiteh | my issue, got it sorted. |
| 14:23.35 | haste | I haven't experieced that under zsh eithir =/ |
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| 14:24.57 | jnwhiteh | I forgot to export it, was my issue porting my .bashrc =) |
| 14:26.43 | mitch0 | why are you moving to zsh? |
| 14:27.18 | jnwhiteh | trying it out, I've heard good things about it |
| 14:27.38 | jnwhiteh | setting my prompt was a pleasant experience, but that's hardly representative |
| 14:27.49 | mitch0 | ok, thought you needed some specific killer feature |
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| 14:28.42 | jnwhiteh | nah, tho I used **/*.go earlier instead of using find . -name "*.go" | xargs |
| 14:28.45 | jnwhiteh | and that made me happy |
| 14:29.14 | mitch0 | .go? is that that google thing? |
| 14:29.15 | jnwhiteh | that being said, bash supports that too =) |
| 14:29.36 | jnwhiteh | its the 'Go' programming language, which came from Google, yes. |
| 14:29.50 | kaso | for some reason i never use the -name flag for go, i tend to pipe to grep. |
| 14:29.53 | kaso | im silly |
| 14:30.07 | jnwhiteh | -name -type and -iname are <3 |
| 14:30.31 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5622396/the-bible-is-now-an-mmo /facepalm |
| 14:31.28 | Kalroth | old |
| 14:32.01 | Kraps | yeah, 4:30 am old |
| 14:32.15 | Kalroth | it's 4:30 pm here! |
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| 14:33.58 | mikma | 17:33 |
| 14:35.40 | haste | mitch0: zsh has some pretty insane auto-completion magic :P |
| 14:35.51 | haste | it's also close to too extensible ^^ |
| 14:36.54 | Kalroth | mikma: finnes doesn't count |
| 14:37.06 | mitch0 | I touch-type at insane speeds and have memorized all manpages and filesystem structure, so I don't need autocomplete ;) |
| 14:37.12 | mitch0 | (that's a lie, btw) |
| 14:37.25 | haste | :3 |
| 14:37.37 | haste | I was pretty blown away by it the first time I tested zsh |
| 14:37.44 | mikma | kalroth: finnes? lul lul lul |
| 14:37.45 | mitch0 | but in all honesty, I never bothered to add even the bash autocomplete stuff |
| 14:37.52 | Kalroth | mikma: yes, finnes! |
| 14:38.08 | haste | also nice with it's ability to notice typos |
| 14:38.17 | mikma | kalroth: finnes? lul lul lul |
| 14:38.23 | Kalroth | mikma: yes, finnes! |
| 14:45.06 | mikma | kalroth: finnes? lul lul lul |
| 14:45.15 | Kalroth | mikma: yes, finnes! |
| 14:45.26 | mikma | kalroth: finnes? lul lul lol |
| 14:45.35 | Kalroth | this game sucks |
| 14:45.40 | mikma | who won? |
| 14:45.44 | mikma | i'm confused |
| 14:45.55 | Kalroth | I think we're equal, since I started |
| 14:45.56 | Kalroth | Soooo |
| 14:45.58 | Kalroth | mikma: yes, finnes! |
| 14:46.02 | mikma | order worms reloaded, receinve ingame items for tf2 |
| 14:46.09 | mikma | kalroth: finnes? lul lal lol |
| 14:46.15 | Kalroth | I heard bad stuff about worms |
| 14:46.22 | Kalroth | That the roping sucks |
| 14:46.30 | mikma | Soldier's Hat & Holy Hand Grenades :D |
| 14:46.32 | Kalroth | And there is a lot of multiplayer bugs |
| 14:47.30 | mikma | lul lul lul |
| 14:47.44 | RJohn | Can you actually throw said "holy hand grenade" |
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| 14:49.47 | mikma | ask monty python |
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| 14:53.39 | Wobin | http://www.fukung.net/v/4824/kjlhg421312312.jpg |
| 15:01.37 | zenzelezz | so Amazon recommends I buy: "Starcraft I, Mengsk", "Diablo: The Sin War: Veiled Prophet ", "Microsoft Visual C++ Windows Applications By Example", "Heaven's Devils", "Qt for Symbian", "StarCraft: Frontline", "Legends of the Dragonrealm" |
| 15:01.42 | zenzelezz | interesting mix |
| 15:04.53 | mikma | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/08/26/0316220/Facebook-Says-It-Owns-Book |
| 15:05.41 | rljohn | gdi facebook |
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| 15:06.33 | Kraps | how do people make vids of flying over azeroth? |
| 15:06.59 | Xinhuan | umm, mount up zoom all the way in |
| 15:07.00 | mikma | fraps, kraps. |
| 15:07.13 | mitch0 | mikma: :) |
| 15:07.16 | Thunder_Child | who would want to fraps Kraps? |
| 15:07.26 | mikma | fap fap fap fraps |
| 15:07.37 | Kraps | yeah im really boring, dont fraps me |
| 15:08.11 | Kraps | Xinhuan: in the old world too |
| 15:08.12 | mikma | don't fraps me bro |
| 15:08.25 | mikma | kraps: mount up zoom all the way in |
| 15:08.37 | Xinhuan | you can use world viewer for that |
| 15:08.38 | Kraps | ok not helping |
| 15:08.55 | Kraps | oh |
| 15:08.59 | Kraps | what that |
| 15:09.51 | mikma | kraps: http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_080510_190644.jpg |
| 15:10.43 | Kraps | missing some textures methinks |
| 15:11.08 | mikma | no shit ;) |
| 15:11.35 | Kraps | where can i see your gear, 51k health :o |
| 15:11.41 | Xinhuan | go search for wow map viewer, kraps |
| 15:11.46 | Xinhuan | it works like wow model viewer |
| 15:11.50 | Xinhuan | but for the world |
| 15:11.55 | Xinhuan | rather than models and textures |
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| 15:11.59 | mikma | kraps: by coming online and inspecting me when i'm near ;) |
| 15:12.23 | Kraps | so you have a beta key for me ;) |
| 15:12.39 | mikma | for you, no. get one yourself |
| 15:13.07 | Kraps | :( |
| 15:13.44 | cog|away | herps Fisker in the derp |
| 15:17.49 | mikma | http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/man-arrested-at-large-hadron-collider-claims-hes-from-the-future-49305387/ |
| 15:18.18 | foxlit | ++ |
| 15:18.29 | haste | :D |
| 15:18.31 | Kraps | omg that is awesome |
| 15:19.25 | rljohn | By Nick Hide on 1 April 2010, 10:33am |
| 15:19.25 | mikma | (read the comments ;( |
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| 15:19.28 | mikma | ; |
| 15:19.30 | mikma | ;)* |
| 15:19.31 | Kraps | old |
| 15:19.47 | foxlit | "The discovery of the Higgs boson led to limitless power, the elimination of poverty and Kit-Kats for everyone. It is a communist chocolate hellhole and I'm here to stop it ever happening." " |
| 15:20.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'd prefer Snickers. They really satisfy you. |
| 15:20.22 | mikma | mm snickers |
| 15:20.29 | haste | Hobby > Snickers |
| 15:21.30 | Lopeppeppy | We have hobbies? |
| 15:21.47 | haste | no, there's a norwegian chocolate named hobby |
| 15:22.02 | mikma | eating chocolate is a hobby in norway? |
| 15:22.03 | haste | and it's pretty much one of the few I cba to buy |
| 15:22.30 | haste | http://www.flickr.com/photos/anderslarsson/1213485065/in/set-72157601124637913/ ! |
| 15:23.53 | Kraps | "The new Flickr photo page. Bigger. Faster. More Flickr-er." |
| 15:24.21 | Wobin | I like the panda overlay |
| 15:24.25 | Wobin | it adds to all the photos |
| 15:28.22 | Kraps | rumor: http://kotaku.com/5622625/brad-pitt-to-star-in-red-dead-redemption-movie |
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| 15:28.54 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info17730-sBinder.html a wild competitor appears! |
| 15:31.09 | Thunder_Child | "Clique more better" |
| 15:31.13 | Thunder_Child | well, that says it all |
| 15:32.00 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I'd never install an addon that freely tells me "X is better!" |
| 15:32.06 | Wobin | I wonder how much code will be the same as Clique =P |
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| 15:32.27 | foxlit | Peppy: "X has more features"? |
| 15:32.44 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 15:32.55 | Thunder_Child | what if he thinks better means more options |
| 15:32.59 | Lopeppeppy | Now that would depend on what the "features" are. |
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| 15:39.27 | Spejnar | is myTable = {} enough to actually empty it? |
| 15:39.51 | foxlit | yes |
| 15:39.57 | foxlit | Note that you're creating a new table, not emptying it |
| 15:40.02 | foxlit | the new table will be empty. |
| 15:40.10 | Spejnar | which shouldnt be too much of a problem if not run often |
| 15:40.16 | Spejnar | hmm |
| 15:40.20 | haste | and the old table will be garbage colected if it doesn't have any references set |
| 15:40.27 | Spejnar | alright, as I thought |
| 15:40.46 | Xinhuan | if you actually want to empty the table though |
| 15:40.51 | Xinhuan | just call wipe(myTable) |
| 15:41.25 | Spejnar | which removes the content but not the var? |
| 15:41.31 | Xinhuan | in the case where you have many variables pointing to that table |
| 15:41.53 | foxlit | roughly equialent to for k in pairs(myTable) do myTable[k] = nil |
| 15:41.58 | Xinhuan | tables are essentially an object, and any variable you have is really just a pointer to it |
| 15:42.20 | Xinhuan | so when you do myTable = {}, you create a new table object and assigned the pointer |
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| 15:43.06 | Xinhuan | wipe(myTable) is essentially a conveniece function that is the same as the loop foxlit said |
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| 15:47.17 | Kraps | hugs the bass response in his headset |
| 15:47.38 | Spejnar | what would be a good way to handle a table with the unit as key and then saving X rows containing things like timestamp, spell, hpleft? Would it be to put a table in the table under key=unitname with that key being e.g. the timestamp or something similar? |
| 15:49.00 | rljohn | table = { spell1 = {a, b, c}, spell2 = {a,b,c} } |
| 15:49.01 | Xinhuan | depends on how you intend to use that data |
| 15:49.01 | ckknight | conceptually, you'd want the key to be the unit ID or something |
| 15:49.03 | rljohn | is that what you are desciribing? |
| 15:49.18 | Xinhuan | and whether you want to favour execution speed versus memory usage |
| 15:49.25 | Spejnar | hmm no |
| 15:49.51 | Xinhuan | i also wouldn't use unitID as key |
| 15:49.56 | Xinhuan | unless by unit, you mean the GUID |
| 15:50.19 | Spejnar | unitName will work fine for this exercise, what I need to do is save how the combat went for each different mob |
| 15:50.20 | rljohn | Can you expand a bit on what the table is being used for |
| 15:50.55 | Xinhuan | be more specific |
| 15:51.15 | Xinhuan | what do you mean by "saving X rows containing things" |
| 15:51.24 | Xinhuan | what is a "row" |
| 15:51.37 | Spejnar | for each different unitName I need to store what I did during combat, what spell I cast at what time and how much hp the mob had left |
| 15:53.13 | Spejnar | this will first be stored in a temp table and later compared with any old value to see if this fight was "the best" or not, so each different unitName will have one combat stored including everything you did |
| 15:53.20 | Xinhuan | so you are trying to figure out whether you should be storing the data as table[unitname][N] = {time = blah, spell = blah, hpleft = blah} or whether another format is better? |
| 15:53.30 | Xinhuan | where N is the number of events |
| 15:54.07 | Spejnar | that sounds about right |
| 15:54.34 | Spejnar | where I can use N as seconds into combat which will help a lot with the other part of the exercise, hmm |
| 15:54.49 | Spejnar | or maybe not |
| 15:54.59 | Xinhuan | there's 2 main ways you can store this |
| 15:55.02 | Xinhuan | one is the above |
| 15:55.06 | Xinhuan | the other is like this |
| 15:55.26 | Xinhuan | table[unitname].time = {1, 2, 3, 4...} |
| 15:55.32 | Xinhuan | table[unitname].spell = {1, 2, 3, 4...} |
| 15:55.43 | Xinhuan | table[unitname].hpleft = {1, 2, 3, 4...} |
| 15:55.49 | Spejnar | yeah thats true |
| 15:55.50 | Xinhuan | in this case, you will have a lot less tables |
| 15:56.04 | Xinhuan | but you need to access all of the tables to retrieve "1 row" |
| 15:56.20 | Spejnar | the other part of the exercise which will be affected by how I store them is I need to "replay" the old values during combat i.e. "00:00:01 Frostbolt 92% hp left" |
| 15:56.24 | Spejnar | in a scroll list |
| 15:56.26 | Xinhuan | it also means you need to modify all the 7 tables (if you are storing 7 pieces of data) |
| 15:56.31 | Xinhuan | to remove a single row |
| 15:56.48 | Xinhuan | as opposed to the first version where all the data for 1 row is in a single table |
| 15:56.56 | Spejnar | then I need to use the first version |
| 15:57.01 | Spejnar | will be a lot of removing most likely |
| 15:57.14 | Xinhuan | i.e memory use in the second case is a lot smaller, because the overhead of a table is 40 bytes of ram |
| 15:57.28 | Spejnar | for each combat vs a unit that is "better" I need to remove the old entry and enter the new one |
| 15:57.41 | Xinhuan | so if you have 500 events, that's 500x40 = 20kb ram if all your events are empty |
| 15:57.53 | Xinhuan | and that's just the overhead |
| 15:58.06 | Xinhuan | however, in the first case, access is faster |
| 15:58.10 | Xinhuan | (execution speed) |
| 15:58.27 | Spejnar | this addon wont be used in "real life conditions" but is merely an exercise so that should be np for this |
| 15:59.00 | Xinhuan | its a classical case of memory vs speed |
| 15:59.28 | Spejnar | thanks for the input Xinhuan , made me a little wiser atleast :) |
| 16:00.10 | Xinhuan | if the addon is not used in "real time", generally the coder will go for the code that uses less memory |
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| 16:00.48 | Xinhuan | because there's no real need for fast execution speed, and the user isn't likely doing anything important |
| 16:01.17 | Spejnar | Id rather not use the 2nd example due to having increased complexity when removing entries, cant see any reason to atm :) |
| 16:01.20 | Xinhuan | so that's a bit of a tradeoff too, versus ease of use |
| 16:02.31 | Xinhuan | just highlighting very importantly about table overheads, imagine a raid of 25 people with 7 pets, with about 100 events per second over a 3 minute boss fight |
| 16:03.03 | Spejnar | probably stupid but I am thinking if using N as actual time or as "spell number" i.e. first spell cast is better, if using ordered it will be simple to loop, .1, .2 and so on but if I use timpstamp I can hopefully compare directly vs the table index to find if there is an entry or maybe that will cause the lovely nil error |
| 16:03.12 | Xinhuan | that's (25+7)*3*60 events/tables then *40 bytes each |
| 16:03.29 | Spejnar | lets just call it "a few" |
| 16:03.35 | Xinhuan | hehe ok |
| 16:04.20 | Xinhuan | how you save the data to disk will also affect loading speed (at login) |
| 16:04.44 | Xinhuan | for example if Lootlink (early versions) saved every item like this |
| 16:05.00 | Xinhuan | t.name = "blah", t.itemid = 123, etc |
| 16:05.17 | Xinhuan | the actual savedvariable file would be full of ".name" and ".itemid" |
| 16:05.32 | Xinhuan | if it was t[1] = "blah", t[2] = 123 |
| 16:05.49 | Xinhuan | it would be saved as t={"blah", 123} |
| 16:05.53 | Xinhuan | without the keynames |
| 16:05.57 | Xinhuan | and the file size would be half as big |
| 16:06.14 | Xinhuan | (lootlink can easily have savedvars over 20 mb) |
| 16:06.28 | Spejnar | thats fun to look through |
| 16:06.54 | foxlit | Note to self: hack /reload to kill Recount's data. |
| 16:07.23 | foxlit | Difference between a 3 second and 30 second reload time, that :( |
| 16:07.33 | Xinhuan | Recount's awesome, i developed a habit to always clear recount data before i log out |
| 16:07.48 | Spejnar | using skada, cant say I had any trouble with either recount nor skada |
| 16:08.13 | Xinhuan | well after a 3 hour raid, my UI memory would be like 80 mb (login at 30 mb) |
| 16:08.20 | Xinhuan | so that 50 mb of savedvars is really recount |
| 16:08.51 | Xinhuan | and actual saved file size is typically larger than the amount of used memory since its saved as text |
| 16:09.18 | Xinhuan | i suppose i exagerated that a bit |
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| 16:16.35 | Lunessa | station |
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| 16:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | Station, Lunessa-dear. |
| 16:23.07 | Kraps | yo Lunessa sup |
| 16:23.13 | foxlit | "An epic of epic epicness" |
| 16:23.25 | foxlit | The tagline is awesome. |
| 16:27.06 | Adys | foxlit: it is... dare i say... epic? |
| 16:27.29 | Adys | Arrowmaster: how do you replace spaces by "\ " in bash ? |
| 16:28.03 | Lunessa | There is very little that can compare to the EPIC power of this Epic Epic. |
| 16:29.24 | Lopeppeppy | purrs. |
| 16:29.49 | Spejnar | is myTable = {} enough to be able to use a table in the table i.e. myTable[unitName][time] or do I need to initiate that also? Cant seem to get it right, keeps giving me "trying to index '?' a nil value" |
| 16:30.27 | wereHamster | Spejnar: mytable = {}; mytable[unitname] = {} |
| 16:30.38 | Spejnar | ah |
| 16:30.55 | Adys | Spejnar: when you index myTable[unitName], you are calling the object unitName in the table mytable; as a trick, every time you close brackets, imagine you just used the result |
| 16:31.19 | Adys | in the case above you want to do what hamster pasted, otherwise you're doing nil[time) |
| 16:31.23 | Adys | nil[time] even |
| 16:31.28 | Cide | or you could just go to www.lua.org/pil |
| 16:32.02 | Spejnar | wereHamster: worked like a charm, and makes sense. Thanks Adys |
| 16:33.04 | Ackis | I just got a call from the police about a vehicle I sold about a year and a half ago :| |
| 16:35.30 | Ackis | so someone stalked me in wow last night... it was amusing, he saw a post of mine from like 2 years ago and wanted me to give him my UDE points account |
| 16:35.33 | Ackis | http://paste.wowace.com/bw39nrav16ukxslp/ |
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| 16:37.10 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:37.31 | Lunessa | Ackis, he wanted you to give him points in a defunct rewards program so he could use them to buy game cards? New low. |
| 16:37.48 | Ackis | the funny thing is Lunessa you can't buy cards with the points |
| 16:38.08 | Lunessa | And isn't the program kaput anyway? |
| 16:38.15 | nicoli_s | you could only buy prostitiutes |
| 16:38.24 | Fisker | yeah Ackis |
| 16:38.29 | Ackis | Lunessa: go to www.ude.com :) |
| 16:38.29 | Fisker | and i would've gotten away with it too |
| 16:39.05 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: Wait, there's a downside to this? |
| 16:39.44 | nicoli_s | Lunessa:they are canadian, why do you think ackis had so many points? |
| 16:39.52 | Lunessa | HAHA |
| 16:40.12 | Ackis | :P |
| 16:41.30 | Ackis | what made it worse was this guy was messaging during my first run of heroic pit of saron |
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| 16:46.00 | rljohn | i queued up for my first heroic in about 4 months the other day |
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| 16:46.15 | rljohn | I died on the first pull (as the tank) and logged out |
| 16:52.32 | Lunessa | rljohn: something similar happened to me last night. |
| 16:53.12 | rljohn | its hard enough for me to log into raid thse days |
| 16:58.09 | Fisker | i came Ackis |
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| 17:04.20 | Adys | a=$(echo $a | sed "s/\\\\/\\\\\\\\/g" | sed "s/ /\\\\ /g") |
| 17:04.25 | Adys | ASDFASDF |
| 17:04.52 | Lunessa | I fired up my bear-specced druid, hit LFD, got Heroic HoR, the shadow priest wanted to know if everyone was "geared" (I'm over-geared for it), I said "Who cares?" - and then he proceeded to attack things on which I had no aggro and wipe us. I logged out and went to bed instead. |
| 17:05.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | rawr |
| 17:05.51 | rljohn | i was using my pvp crit-immune gear and the rest fury w/ smourne |
| 17:05.53 | Fisker | so Adys is db.mmo-champion.com going to be the first official spdy-ready host? |
| 17:06.00 | rljohn | told the healer to "spam heals, this will be done in 10 mins" |
| 17:06.11 | rljohn | i got like, a renew and a prayer of mending |
| 17:06.12 | Adys | ive no idea what you're talking about, and until you explain, I cba to talk to you |
| 17:06.24 | Adys | anyone able to help me with some bash retardness? |
| 17:06.34 | Fisker | i put up a link :( |
| 17:06.39 | Adys | i was out |
| 17:06.45 | Fisker | It's a augmentation of the http protocol |
| 17:06.59 | Adys | OH THAT thing |
| 17:07.03 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:07.08 | Adys | dude that was announced like a year ago |
| 17:07.10 | Fisker | yeah :( |
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| 17:07.22 | Adys | google uses it internally |
| 17:07.25 | Fisker | saw some talk about it on the chromium svn notes |
| 17:07.50 | Fisker | also read about something not being green enough |
| 17:08.02 | Adys | grass |
| 17:08.05 | Fisker | [10:59:43] <Fisker> BUG=things aren't as green as they should be |
| 17:08.06 | Fisker | [10:59:43] <Fisker> TEST=things get greener |
| 17:08.08 | Fisker | :o |
| 17:08.17 | Adys | that's their test waterfall |
| 17:09.25 | Fisker | they also have a new options tab in test |
| 17:09.32 | Fisker | unless they added it prior to the 7.x builds |
| 17:10.04 | Adys | it wasnt public until 7x |
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| 17:10.16 | Adys | as i said they've been using it internally for a while |
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| 17:10.41 | Adys | but google is this giant blob of what happens when you put too many smart people together |
| 17:10.42 | Fisker | :o |
| 17:10.48 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:10.51 | Adys | = recode everything that is possibly flawed |
| 17:10.59 | Fisker | went through the source code of the switches |
| 17:11.05 | Fisker | they have like a billion trillion switches |
| 17:11.05 | Adys | it's awesome, but there's a lot of shit that doesnt even go through labs |
| 17:11.18 | nicoli_s | sweet i just got an electric tennis bug zapper |
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| 17:11.49 | KarlKFI|work | what's a tennis bug? |
| 17:11.52 | Adys | Fisker: the command line args? |
| 17:11.54 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:12.02 | Adys | yeah they put anything and everything in there |
| 17:12.11 | nicoli_s | tennis racket* |
| 17:12.29 | Adys | KarlKFI|work: a bug that wears tennis shoes |
| 17:12.30 | KarlKFI|work | your tennis racket is electrified? |
| 17:12.58 | KarlKFI|work | this sounds dangerous |
| 17:13.59 | nicoli_s | i know |
| 17:14.00 | nicoli_s | i cant wait |
| 17:14.20 | rljohn | My dad had this thing that looked like a tennis racket |
| 17:14.24 | rljohn | but was actually a bug-killer |
| 17:14.25 | nicoli_s | its instructions are 1. press and hold charging button 2. touch grid to insect 3. touch grid to insect |
| 17:14.31 | Adys | also Fisker, the protocol is handled by apache at a very low level |
| 17:14.33 | rljohn | and i shocked the shit out of myself while playing with it |
| 17:14.35 | Adys | i dont feel like coding a mod_spdy |
| 17:14.43 | Adys | http://code.google.com/p/mod-spdy/wiki/Design |
| 17:14.44 | Adys | oh hey. |
| 17:14.56 | Adys | Owners: |
| 17:14.56 | Adys | bmcqu...@google.com, mdste...@google.com, ls...@google.com |
| 17:15.00 | Adys | hahah fucking winners. |
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| 17:19.30 | Fisker | ... is kind of neat actually |
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| 17:27.25 | Fisker | http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/08/26/valve-were-making-a-fairy-rpg-before-left-4-dead/ |
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| 17:30.33 | TC-Working | Fisker: lets see how their dota clone turns out |
| 17:30.48 | Adys | Zombiecraft |
| 17:30.48 | Fisker | s/clone// |
| 17:31.12 | TC-Working | just because it has icefrog does not mean it's dota |
| 17:31.20 | Fisker | no |
| 17:31.20 | Fisker | t |
| 17:31.27 | Fisker | trademarking dota means it's dota |
| 17:31.32 | Adys | anyone able to help me with some dark bash voodoo? |
| 17:31.36 | TC-Working | they trademarked dota? |
| 17:31.43 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:31.50 | Fisker | or attempted to anyway |
| 17:31.56 | Fisker | it's not processed yet i believe |
| 17:32.07 | Adys | [18:32:10] * TC-Working is now known as TC-Work |
| 17:32.15 | Adys | that's honesty at work, no pun intended |
| 17:32.21 | TC-Work | ^_^ |
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| 18:16.38 | Kraps | spikes conversation with willow about how he cant bite her sounding exactly like a guy who cant get it up = infinity times awesome |
| 18:17.37 | mikma | willow porn? |
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| 18:18.58 | durcyn | erectile disfunction is awesome |
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| 18:28.03 | mikma | wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/the_best_part_of_waking_up_is.php |
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| 18:36.04 | foxlit | I want a 32-bit hash in PHP :( |
| 18:36.24 | Lunessa | I just want PHP to go away. |
| 18:37.34 | foxlit | If you're using it for actual software /development/, you probably do. |
| 18:38.01 | mikma | 32-bit PvP |
| 18:38.12 | foxlit | It's probably less of an evil compared to perl for "Hey, I want some stuff done!" |
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| 18:39.03 | Kraps | Fisker: your mom says high |
| 18:40.10 | NightHawkTheSane | its not terribly evil in general. |
| 18:40.19 | mikma | kraps: thats what she said...? |
| 18:40.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well, except for that time it killed a bunch of people in the 80's, but really, that was just the speed, and i mean everyone was doing it then |
| 18:40.39 | Kraps | mikma: exactly |
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| 18:45.59 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 18:46.02 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 18:46.44 | Lunessa | foxlit: Having written a bunch of crap in PERL in the 90s, I can say I want it to go away too |
| 18:47.24 | Fisker | Lunessa |
| 18:47.56 | durcyn | you know, there are lua parsers for apache, Lunessa |
| 18:48.04 | durcyn | you could regret this in a decade. |
| 18:48.33 | Fisker | durcyn |
| 18:49.19 | Fisker | durcyn |
| 18:49.55 | Kraps | Fisker: |
| 18:49.59 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 18:50.01 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
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| 18:50.03 | Kraps | ~wiki duke |
| 18:54.46 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 18:59.07 | Kraps | Fisker |
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| 18:59.43 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 18:59.46 | Fisker | did you bet on duke? |
| 19:00.23 | Kraps | why would you tell people to bet on a loss? |
| 19:01.49 | Shirik | http://www.dailytech.com/IBM+Proposes+One+Computer+to+Run+Entire+Internet/article10612.htm |
| 19:02.23 | Lunessa | SO.... just asked my boss to see if we could get an iPad in here for "support purposes." |
| 19:02.46 | nevcairiel | that article is from 2008 Shirik, way old |
| 19:02.54 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:02.55 | durcyn | i'll sell you a gently used one, Lunessa |
| 19:02.59 | Fisker | it isn't a loss Shirik |
| 19:03.00 | Fisker | duh |
| 19:03.15 | Fisker | you should be ashamed Lunessa |
| 19:03.18 | Lunessa | durcyn: I suspect "gently" is a euphemisim |
| 19:03.20 | Fisker | getting an ipad and supporting them |
| 19:03.26 | nevcairiel | although i would love to see a comp running 67 million cpu cores |
| 19:03.56 | durcyn | Lunessa: not really, i just haven't been able to find anyone to pay a fair price for a used 16gb wifi model, so i can pick up a 3g |
| 19:04.15 | Kraps | Shirik: "the internet is down for hardware upgrades" /rolleyes |
| 19:04.37 | durcyn | should've slapped it back in the box and sold it overseas months ago, i guess |
| 19:04.58 | Lunessa | *nod* I work for a state office, so we'd have to buy new. But if you still have it in Nov, I might be interested. |
| 19:05.54 | Kraps | Lunessa: what office? |
| 19:06.15 | Lunessa | Kraps: I work for a state-funded university. |
| 19:06.23 | Kraps | ah |
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| 19:15.49 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Girl_gamer#Merger_proposal |
| 19:17.48 | Shirik | hahaha awesome |
| 19:17.58 | Shirik | UPS Ground: Estimated: 30 Aug 2010 |
| 19:18.09 | Shirik | UPS 3-day select: Estimated: 1 Sep 2010 |
| 19:18.22 | Shirik | living next to the store ftw |
| 19:18.49 | zenzelezz | then why don't you pick it up yourself? |
| 19:20.11 | alestane | No Peppy. |
| 19:20.17 | alestane | pouts. |
| 19:21.33 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 19:22.52 | alestane | Never let details stop you: http://notalwaysright.com/they-swim-where-the-sun-doesnt-shine/6741 |
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| 19:25.52 | alestane | Some people are just begging for a punch in the nose. |
| 19:25.54 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/if-you-build-it-they-will-come-early/6734 |
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| 19:26.19 | durcyn | is it me, or do notalwaysright posts always seem contrived |
| 19:27.25 | Fisker | he should just have told her that the gas was sold out |
| 19:28.24 | alestane | And then there's the people you just need to kill: http://clientsfromhell.net/post/1015473293/i-had-spent-considerable-time-photographing-a |
| 19:28.55 | Maldivia | lol - why hadn't I see than quest (or well video thereof) before now :) |
| 19:29.21 | alestane | That one's not as bad, durcyn. Some of them definitely do seem over-the-top, but I spent enough time in customer service not to be too surprised at that one. |
| 19:29.39 | durcyn | either that or written in crayon, take your pick. |
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| 19:36.41 | foxlit | cfh's use of "previous" and "next" navigation annoys me |
| 19:36.57 | foxlit | Which one would you think leads to older entries? |
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| 19:37.43 | zenzelezz | previous |
| 19:37.44 | foxlit | The arrow next to "Previous" points left, and the arrow next to "Next" points right, but that's about as useful as the descriptors themselves. |
| 19:39.21 | foxlit | CFH's answer is "Next" |
| 19:40.50 | zenzelezz | well, I know one thing that's more annoying (if you're a tabbed browser kind of person) |
| 19:41.15 | zenzelezz | a major Norwegian shopping site uses what must be cookies to determine next and previous |
| 19:41.40 | zenzelezz | open one tab for one category, another for a second category; click "next" on first tab... you get to second page for second category |
| 19:44.35 | Lunessa | ... HOLY SHIT - http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/08/25/29858.htm |
| 19:49.57 | nicoli_s | lunessa:although that sucks, the ridiculous amount of money he gets will make it all worth it |
| 19:50.31 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: At least he can get recompensed for being treated like a criminal and beaten while injured. |
| 19:51.24 | foxlit | Monetary compensation for non-monetary injuries is weird. |
| 19:51.57 | Lunessa | What should they give him instead, blowjobs? |
| 19:52.04 | nicoli_s | no i agree he should get money |
| 19:52.14 | nicoli_s | but 10 million dollars is a little much dont you think? |
| 19:53.28 | Lunessa | Punitive damages awards are often asked for in very large amounts, and often bumped down by the judge or jury depending on local law. The point is to make the dollar cost of doing bad so high no one does it. I don't know how well it works in cases like this. |
| 19:54.06 | nicoli_s | ahhh |
| 19:54.08 | krka | my god, that news was surreal |
| 19:55.05 | foxlit | Lunessa: paying any medical costs he'll incur sounds like the adequate thing to me. |
| 19:55.12 | Lunessa | The part that blew my mind was that a hospital tried to retrain a VOLUNTARY individual from leaving, as if it were a prison. |
| 19:55.52 | Lunessa | foxlit: Sure, and something to punish the wrong-doer since they're not likely to face criminal charges. |
| 19:55.53 | Fisker | anyone know if it's intended that the chaos bane macro trick is supposed to have the chaos bane damage include? |
| 19:56.37 | foxlit | Lunessa: indeed. The latter shouldn't go to the plaintiff, however. |
| 19:56.48 | Lunessa | Who then? |
| 19:58.38 | foxlit | Dunno. What do they do with seized assets of criminals? |
| 19:58.58 | Lunessa | It's one of those "how to punish wrong doers without creating an incentive to seek their punishments." If you give it to the state, then the state seeks the money, not an individual. In which case you're just creating a new class of criminal. |
| 19:59.09 | krka | wait, why not criminal charges? |
| 19:59.14 | krka | isn't assault criminal? |
| 20:00.00 | foxlit | My general idea would be to disperse it to the widest possible amount of people. |
| 20:00.18 | Lunessa | krka: Assault is, but there is a thing called 'prosecutorial discretion' where a state can choose not to prosecute. Then the only recourse the wronged has is civil court for compensation. |
| 20:00.29 | krka | i see |
| 20:00.57 | Lunessa | I'm not holding it up as a model - I'm just saying that's the way I see this as having happened. |
| 20:00.58 | krka | foxlit: your mom is the widest possible amount of people |
| 20:03.12 | Kraps | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/minor_differences |
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| 20:18.19 | nicoli_s | man i love our town, first we get the raping our kids video, and now this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nft9Y51IOfc |
| 20:20.14 | Fisker | hey hey nicoli_s |
| 20:20.26 | Fisker | save a bit for us |
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| 20:45.03 | Kraps | Shirik: Simple English does not need special treatment, god knows what is said on there and on some of the other language wikipedias. People should be encouraged to stay here and use this wikipedia, it is superior to all others. BritishWatcher (talk) 19:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC) |
| 20:53.45 | Dagmar | Lunessa: In that case it looks like the poor guy could ask the police to press assault charges against the rent-a-cops (and he damn well should ask for assault and battery by the description of things) and then go after the hospital for money |
| 20:54.06 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I agree. |
| 20:54.18 | Dagmar | I've been down a bit of that road with mall cops. |
| 20:54.46 | foxlit | "unexpected ')', expecting T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM" |
| 20:54.52 | Dagmar | I was patient with them, I was polite... to a point on both counts. |
| 20:55.04 | Dagmar | Then I punched my way through some drywall, took my shit, and lefgt. |
| 20:55.37 | Dagmar | People forget that those insta-walls that are in most offices _aren't_ going to keep a guy in a bunch of leather from going through them. |
| 20:55.39 | Kraps | what did drywall ever do to you? |
| 20:55.51 | Dagmar | Kraps: It blocked my egress, mainly. |
| 20:56.04 | Dagmar | Mall cops didn't like the cut of my jib or something. |
| 20:56.05 | Kraps | oh it deserved it then |
| 20:56.13 | Dagmar | They elected to try to "arrest me". |
| 20:56.24 | Kraps | cut of my jib is an awesome phrase |
| 20:56.45 | Dagmar | Well, I was dressed like a psycho, but it didn't excuse their behaviour, and I wasn't trying to scare nayone |
| 20:57.40 | Dagmar | They thought I was younger than I was, got ahead of themselves thinking they were bullying some minor, and locked me in a room to wait for the police to arrive to arrest me for shoplifting (nevermind that I had the store reciept, my ATM receipt, and correct change) |
| 20:57.52 | Dagmar | I waited exactly one hour and then I busted out, literally. |
| 20:58.06 | Kraps | you need more jib |
| 20:58.19 | Dagmar | No, I need less stupid people. |
| 20:58.29 | Dagmar | I could have pressed kidnapping charges against them. |
| 20:58.37 | Kraps | why didnt they stop you for destroying mall property? |
| 20:58.45 | Dagmar | because I was escaping. |
| 20:59.04 | Dagmar | Seriously. If someone imprisons you and they don't have that right, it's kidnapping. |
| 20:59.11 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter if it's a mall "cop" or not. |
| 20:59.23 | Dagmar | ALL they can do is "detain" you until police arrive. |
| 20:59.41 | Dagmar | ...which, depending on where you are may just amount to getting in front of you and saying "Please stop" repeatedly. |
| 20:59.51 | durcyn | false imprisonment, more like |
| 20:59.58 | Kraps | detains Dagmar |
| 21:00.14 | Dagmar | Of course, when I went to talk to actual cops about it, I changed clothes first. :) |
| 21:01.15 | Kraps | this is not the psycho you're looking for |
| 21:02.29 | Dagmar | The bad thing was at the time I was just pissed off at them |
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| 21:03.31 | durcyn | guys |
| 21:03.54 | Kraps | gals |
| 21:04.07 | durcyn | hello kitty online launched today. |
| 21:04.58 | Dagmar | durcyn: A shame they couldn't use technology from this decade |
| 21:06.45 | Dagmar | I don't even know who made the engine they're using, but I'm tired of seeing it. |
| 21:07.29 | Kraps | you get your own house! |
| 21:07.31 | Dagmar | I *think* it might be the same one Ragnarok Online was using, judging by the way it artifacts, but people should aspire to something better than that now |
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| 21:08.27 | Dagmar | Kraps: You get your own house in EQII too |
| 21:08.31 | Kraps | Dagmar: so your daughter is really upset about the engine? |
| 21:08.34 | Dagmar | ...and LOTRO. |
| 21:08.35 | Kraps | ;) |
| 21:08.47 | Kraps | really, lotro? |
| 21:08.52 | durcyn | yeah, a game with the weight of HELLO KITTY behind it really should be writing its own engine from scratch. |
| 21:09.02 | durcyn | are you drinking drugs? |
| 21:09.05 | Dagmar | Kraps: No, I just keep an eye on these things and I've seen a LOT of F2P j-games that are all using the same eye-wateringly bad engine |
| 21:09.52 | Dagmar | Kraps: Well, IMHO the jury is still out on LOTRO because while you can buy a house at level 15, there doesn't appear to be any way to actually *afford* to buy it and still, you know, buy your new skills |
| 21:10.15 | Kraps | why wont blizz do it? |
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| 21:10.29 | Legorol | they sort of explained it: because it would cause cities to become deserted |
| 21:10.29 | Dagmar | 1000 silver = 1 gold. 1 room house is 1g. Rent is 10s a week. Rent is fine, but at hte moment my toon hasn't even SEEN 1 gold yet |
| 21:10.32 | durcyn | because they want you to be "MORE SOCIAL" or some such nonsense. |
| 21:10.32 | Legorol | which is not something they want to see |
| 21:10.49 | Dagmar | I'm doing good to have 110 silver selling all sorts of stuff |
| 21:11.23 | Dagmar | EQII at least upped the size of the starter house from when I last played |
| 21:11.49 | Dagmar | Legoro1: Yeah I'm kinda missing my collection of various boxes and bookcases |
| 21:13.06 | Kraps | is bad company 2 an FPS or what? |
| 21:13.15 | durcyn | the social aspect of idling in cities is total crap, though, it's not like anyone emotes or talks in /say |
| 21:13.24 | durcyn | yes, Kraps |
| 21:13.26 | Dagmar | ...which I would probably be spending quite a bit of time playing with instead of say, standing around in Dalaran waiting for a queue to pop |
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| 21:14.18 | Dagmar | Whether or not it's useful for me to be standing in Dalaran surrounded by people I'd probably rather see burning to death, just because they might serve some useful purpose as a source of _heat_... I have no idea |
| 21:14.59 | durcyn | the guild rewards opens up possibilities for eventual instanced guild halls, though, which seem more likely than everyone having their own hole to crawl into |
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| 21:15.24 | Dagmar | I'm probably going to have to start playing with my netbook open next to me |
| 21:15.32 | Dagmar | Something has GOT to be done about the trade trolls on my server. |
| 21:15.46 | Dagmar | It's like a goddamn non-stop episode of Jerry Springer with no moderator |
| 21:15.54 | Kraps | a furnishable guild hall would be cool |
| 21:16.10 | DWSR | Happy bday to me! |
| 21:16.10 | Dagmar | Expecting the ESRB rating on the game to be anything other than R with that going on is insanity. |
| 21:16.32 | Kraps | happy bday DWSR! |
| 21:16.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: So Springer with no Springer? |
| 21:16.40 | Dagmar | I don't necessarily want to be the reporting nazi, but jesus christ someone's got to do something |
| 21:17.02 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yes, just think white trash and hood rats thugging it out to see who can be the biggest douche, for hours on end |
| 21:17.27 | DWSR | Dagmar: Sounds like cops. |
| 21:17.32 | DWSR | (the show). |
| 21:17.39 | Dagmar | I don't suppose anyone knows of an addon that facilitates dumping he last five lines someone said into an in-game report |
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| 21:17.58 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 21:18.04 | DWSR | Would be easy as shit to make, though |
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| 21:19.35 | Dagmar | If I login tonight it'll be the third night in a row (becasue it's that consistent now) that I've gotten to see them talking about raping each other, in the time it takes for a queue to pop |
| 21:21.45 | Kraps | Dagmar: heres a game to relax with http://store.steampowered.com/app/45100/ |
| 21:22.07 | Dagmar | chain vomits |
| 21:22.13 | nicoli_s | i never would of guessed that was a horse breeding game |
| 21:22.37 | Kraps | "The game enables you to breed legendary horses such as Pegasus, Unicorn, Fire-steed, Ice-steed and Demon-steed." how can you say no to that? |
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| 21:23.00 | DWSR | Kraps: I red that as Demon-seed for a second. |
| 21:23.01 | foxlit | Kraps: The Unhorse. |
| 21:23.03 | DWSR | I was like O.o? |
| 21:23.07 | kd3 | ugh hot |
| 21:23.13 | foxlit | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/5/26/ |
| 21:24.06 | Dagmar | Kraps: you can say no to that because you have a Y chromosome |
| 21:24.26 | Kraps | its made to be played on drugs |
| 21:24.37 | Kraps | look at the name even |
| 21:24.56 | Dagmar | Trust me, there are other games meant to be played on drugs. |
| 21:25.18 | nicoli_s | lol |
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| 21:26.18 | Kraps | Dagmar: are you saying that men can appreciate a Unicorn or Pegasus? |
| 21:26.24 | Kraps | cant* |
| 21:27.19 | Dagmar | No, I'm saying that grown men have better things to be doing with their tie. |
| 21:27.23 | Dagmar | s/tie/time/ |
| 21:27.39 | nicoli_s | that seems pretty relative to me |
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| 21:28.40 | Dagmar | Give me a sim that lets me breed, cross-breed, and inbreed horses into killer mutants with chitinous exoskeltons and the ability to breathe liquid nitrogen, and then we'll talk |
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| 21:30.07 | cogwheel | definitely shouldn't have been placed in silver >< |
| 21:30.13 | DWSR | Dagmar: SC2? |
| 21:30.17 | cogwheel | ya |
| 21:30.26 | Dagmar | dwsr: No breeding |
| 21:30.27 | cogwheel | got total noobs for my placement matches |
| 21:30.39 | DWSR | cogwheel: Silver isn't bad. I crushed a silver team and I'm rated Bronze. It's all about your partner. |
| 21:30.41 | foxlit | cogwheel: silver is the new bronze. |
| 21:30.43 | DWSR | ^ |
| 21:30.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: yes there is. |
| 21:30.55 | DWSR | SPAWN MOAR OVERLAWDDDSS. |
| 21:30.57 | cogwheel | 1v1 |
| 21:31.13 | DWSR | cogwheel: Oh, heh. |
| 21:31.18 | DWSR | Still, like I said, Silver's pretty easy. |
| 21:31.25 | DWSR | I'm ranked Bronze and my partner sucks. |
| 21:31.26 | cogwheel | and i suck |
| 21:31.28 | cogwheel | so :P |
| 21:31.30 | foxlit | Seriously, though, it's one step away from "do those people have a mouse?" |
| 21:32.03 | DWSR | Anything under Silver shouldn't be taken seriously. |
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| 21:32.08 | DWSR | I placed in Copper during the beta. |
| 21:32.18 | DWSR | but I have a feeling that's because I sucked hardcore. I've gotten a /ton/ better. |
| 21:32.21 | foxlit | Copper was removed during beta <3 |
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| 21:32.46 | DWSR | yep |
| 21:32.50 | cbreak | depends |
| 21:32.57 | cbreak | I think it was renamed to bronze |
| 21:33.15 | nicoli_s | no they just removed it |
| 21:33.20 | nicoli_s | there used to be a copper and a bronze |
| 21:33.32 | Kraps | i'm looking for a small casual game thats not boring |
| 21:33.55 | foxlit | nicoli_s: on the other hand, there used to be 5 leagues, and now there are still 5 leagues. |
| 21:34.17 | nicoli_s | good point |
| 21:34.40 | foxlit | I wonder |
| 21:34.46 | foxlit | Can a proxy cache a 302? |
| 21:35.05 | Lunessa | alestane: http://tfl.nu/v05l |
| 21:35.19 | DWSR | Kraps: SC2. |
| 21:35.25 | DWSR | foxlit: Yes. |
| 21:35.35 | DWSR | I think, one sec. |
| 21:35.39 | Dagmar | Looks like BadBoy might do what I want |
| 21:35.43 | cbreak | the old bronze was renamed to silver |
| 21:35.44 | Kraps | DWSR: i'll grr at you |
| 21:35.48 | alestane | I saw that...what is this service or organization? |
| 21:36.12 | DWSR | foxlit: Yes, proxies can cache 302s. |
| 21:36.19 | foxlit | As a followup, supposing it cached the 302, and came back to revalidate (if-modified-since), would my response of "not modified" allow it to keep its cached redirect? |
| 21:36.30 | foxlit | Or do I need to redirect it again? |
| 21:36.48 | DWSR | It depends on how the proxy caches the 302. |
| 21:37.07 | DWSR | You should probably use a 301, tbh. |
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| 21:37.53 | foxlit | Not in this case |
| 21:38.00 | Dagmar | It should only cache the 302 if your server sends out an explicit Expires: or Cache-Control: header with the 302 |
| 21:38.07 | foxlit | It's basically a foo/latest --> foo/version redirect |
| 21:38.13 | Dagmar | So basically, without being told it's suposed to cache it sholdn't |
| 21:38.43 | DWSR | foxlit: ah. |
| 21:39.08 | DWSR | Why not use a 307? |
| 21:39.14 | Dagmar | If BadBoy doesn't make me happy by making some children cry, I may email hte dude about forking it |
| 21:40.37 | Dagmar | DWSR: He's old school. ;) |
| 21:40.49 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26560539558/concerning-the-justin-beiber-wow-commercial/ |
| 21:41.15 | Dagmar | Kraps: what-what-WHAT? |
| 21:41.32 | Kraps | looking it up now |
| 21:41.43 | Dagmar | That had damn well better be a joke |
| 21:41.47 | DWSR | yes |
| 21:41.54 | Dagmar | Unless it's a couple of orcs roasting him over a spit |
| 21:41.55 | Kraps | yeah |
| 21:42.05 | Kraps | its a meme |
| 21:42.11 | foxlit | http://christwire.org/2010/05/world-of-warcraft-to-release-justin-bieber-expansion-in-august/ is one of the top google hits, heh. |
| 21:42.19 | Dagmar | DWSR: Look at the <TT> text a thte bottom of the description for 302 at http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html |
| 21:42.34 | Dagmar | dwsr: The reason to use 302/307 is messy |
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| 21:43.12 | Kraps | foxlit: and i was never sure if they were a satire site |
| 21:43.21 | DWSR | No, 307 would be exactly what he wants. |
| 21:43.55 | Dagmar | Assuming he cares about it remaining a POST query, sure |
| 21:44.00 | DWSR | 302 changes all requests to a GET. |
| 21:44.03 | Dagmar | Kraps: Try http://imvotingteaparty.com/design/gaysvote/ then |
| 21:44.40 | Dagmar | DWSR: No. |
| 21:44.50 | Kraps | Dagmar: clever |
| 21:44.51 | DWSR | everything besides a GET or HEAD. |
| 21:45.11 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yes. |
| 21:45.16 | DWSR | Read the note on 302. |
| 21:45.19 | Dagmar | See the <TT>. Clients wound up with lazy coders making them use GET |
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| 21:45.25 | Dagmar | Not all browsers did it |
| 21:45.33 | DWSR | No, not /all/ browsers. |
| 21:45.45 | Dagmar | I had to actually fix bugs related to that, which is why I get pissy about non-idempotent gets |
| 21:45.46 | foxlit | In this case, I'm simply lazy |
| 21:45.46 | DWSR | but MSIE does it, and I'm pretty sure FFox does it. |
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| 21:45.55 | DWSR | I would use a 307. |
| 21:46.22 | Dagmar | Yeah, MSIE did it because it's shit |
| 21:46.22 | DWSR | 307's pretty clear, and if you don't understand HTTP/1.1 by now, you're about 2 centuries 2 late. |
| 21:46.23 | foxlit | Wasn't aware of 307 prior to this discussion, and 302 is magically done for me when I send Location:, so my concern was my 304 implementation. |
| 21:46.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: Shit it may be, but a majority of the web still uses it. |
| 21:47.04 | Dagmar | Does not matter. |
| 21:47.09 | DWSR | Yes it does. |
| 21:47.09 | Dagmar | It's still shit and always was shit. |
| 21:47.13 | DWSR | Yes it is. |
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| 21:47.43 | Dagmar | Just because the pool is empt and always has been doesn't mean you should go ahead and hop on the diving board, champ |
| 21:48.24 | DWSR | As long as you don't hop off, I don't see the problem. Also, that's not really relevant. |
| 21:48.27 | Dagmar | There's a key difference between what GET and POST are allowed to do, and short-bussing that 302 into GETS breaks it |
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| 21:48.41 | DWSR | So use a 307. |
| 21:48.43 | Dagmar | So yeah, I've had to tell folks "fuck your MSIE" before and mean it |
| 21:49.04 | Dagmar | ...because the alternative was to set things up so that search engines would rape the website with a chainsaw |
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| 21:49.38 | DWSR | Akshully. |
| 21:49.40 | DWSR | Bonestorm. |
| 21:49.42 | DWSR | But anyway. |
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| 21:51.18 | DWSR | I would use a 307 tbcfh. |
| 21:51.40 | DWSR | But yes, as long as you respond with a not-modified, the cache should keep its cached redirect. |
| 21:51.56 | Dagmar | In case you didn't catch the important bit there, a GET should NEVER EVER change the state of anything on the webserver. |
| 21:52.07 | Kraps | Dagmar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i1mLF3uMWw&feature=related |
| 21:52.32 | Dagmar | No matter what level of management requests it, don't do it. The result will be tears at some point. |
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| 21:52.35 | cogwheel | Dagmar: also i'm playing zerg |
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| 21:52.49 | cogwheel | s/Dagmar/DWSR/ |
| 21:52.54 | DWSR | Dagmar: Actually, eddy's in the timespace continuum. |
| 21:53.03 | DWSR | cogwheel: Zerg requires a lot of micro. |
| 21:53.06 | DWSR | NOT a good starter race. |
| 21:53.14 | DWSR | tbh, I found Protoss to be the easiest. |
| 21:53.21 | foxlit | Dagmar: awesome website. |
| 21:53.41 | cogwheel | DWSR: yeah. that's why i'm playing zerg... i was hoping to place in bronze so i could get some "practice" |
| 21:53.46 | foxlit | Protoss are awkward :( |
| 21:54.00 | foxlit | Especially that pylon timing |
| 21:54.09 | DWSR | Not really. |
| 21:54.11 | DWSR | It's not bad. |
| 21:54.24 | DWSR | 10 probes, pylon, gateway, probes, pylon, forge. |
| 21:54.29 | DWSR | It's actually easy. |
| 21:54.47 | DWSR | What I will admit, though, is that if you can pull it off and micro right, you can get /way/ ahead. |
| 21:54.54 | foxlit | Interesting. I tend to pylon at 9, though perhaps that's misguided |
| 21:55.04 | DWSR | I pylon at 10. |
| 21:55.10 | DWSR | Well, while I'm building the 10th. |
| 21:55.13 | DWSR | So, I suppose 9. |
| 21:55.25 | DWSR | Basically, I build the pylon whenever I can build it without stopping probe production. |
| 21:55.27 | foxlit | Contrast to the supply depot at 10 -- that fits neatly |
| 21:55.53 | DWSR | http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=2810 <-- Just got this for my birthday. |
| 21:55.59 | DWSR | HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS CASE IS HUGE. |
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| 21:56.07 | DWSR | AND IT WEIGHS A FUCKING TON |
| 21:56.22 | Dagmar | dwsr: good luck hearing over it |
| 21:56.30 | DWSR | Actually, I've heard it's pretty quiet. |
| 21:56.37 | Dagmar | You've been talking to deaf people |
| 21:56.37 | DWSR | Though, quiet and full size tower. |
| 21:56.41 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 21:56.48 | kd3 | just buy quiet fans? it's not that hard to do |
| 21:56.50 | foxlit | It tends to be that big cases are quiter. |
| 21:56.50 | DWSR | My current computer isn't veryq uiet either though |
| 21:56.55 | Dagmar | With that much venting, that fucker will be as whooshy as my Ammo case, if not more |
| 21:57.22 | DWSR | This thing weighs 13 fucking kilos. |
| 21:57.24 | DWSR | 13 |
| 21:57.26 | DWSR | WHAT THE FUCK. |
| 21:57.29 | Dagmar | foxlit: That would be erroneous thinking when they've got lots of vents to let the sound out |
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| 21:57.48 | Dagmar | DWSR: It's made of solid freaking steel. :) |
| 21:57.53 | foxlit | Dagmar: on the other hand, better airflow means they never spin the fans up to 11 :) |
| 21:58.01 | DWSR | It comes with 8. |
| 21:58.02 | DWSR | COMES. |
| 21:58.03 | DWSR | with 8 |
| 21:58.09 | DWSR | This isn't a computer case. |
| 21:58.13 | DWSR | It's a turbine engine. |
| 21:58.17 | DWSR | Built to power a plane. |
| 21:58.30 | |Jelly| | http://www.corsair.com/products/800d/default.aspx > |
| 21:59.10 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:59.16 | DWSR | It's funny because my computer currently runs on 1 80mm fan. |
| 21:59.21 | DWSR | And it's decently cool. |
| 21:59.24 | DWSR | It's a micro ATX board. |
| 21:59.30 | DWSR | and I'm about to throw it in a FULL SIZE TOWER. |
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| 21:59.30 | Kraps | so Dagmar you gonna sign to end womens suffrage? |
| 21:59.54 | |Jelly| | My computer runs like shit (heat anyway) on one 80mm. GG Dell cases being terrible! ... and me not having the money to buy that case ........ yet |
| 21:59.55 | Dagmar | Kraps: Depends on if they make me angry |
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| 22:00.01 | Kraps | lol |
| 22:01.00 | Dagmar | I'd like to order some of those tea party shirts, but too many of them are likely to get you assaultd |
| 22:01.39 | Dagmar | I'm sure hte one about gays voting would be a hit at a nightclub I know of, but there's no rule that says someone who is gay can't be dumb as a rock at the same time |
| 22:02.05 | foxlit | "was Born in the darkest depths of Mordor" |
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| 22:06.01 | Kraps | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/28505/Justin_Bieber_Cant_Top_World_Of_Warcraft_In_Vivendi_Financials.php |
| 22:14.27 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijr4rwb2WbE |
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| 22:16.32 | foxlit | Browsers are surprisingly tolerant. Apparently, Location: is meant to contain an absolute URI. |
| 22:18.05 | DWSR | Yes |
| 22:18.24 | DWSR | |Jelly|: My computer used a 14 year old dell case. |
| 22:18.32 | DWSR | In addition to being a POS, it has a custom motherboard mount. |
| 22:18.34 | DWSR | It uses hooks. |
| 22:18.40 | DWSR | Seriously. |
| 22:18.46 | DWSR | My motherboard is HANGING in the case. |
| 22:18.51 | |Jelly| | . . . wow |
| 22:18.55 | |Jelly| | WTB pictures |
| 22:19.24 | DWSR | I'll take them once I remove the board. |
| 22:19.37 | DWSR | Having expansion cards in there gives it something else to secure againgst. |
| 22:19.38 | |Jelly| | Yeah .. ping me with them. lol |
| 22:19.39 | DWSR | against* |
| 22:19.43 | DWSR | Yeah, will do. |
| 22:19.45 | DWSR | Fuck dell. |
| 22:19.47 | DWSR | Seriously. |
| 22:22.07 | Kraps | Many people, including Daniel Radcliffe, are very confused by his look and voice. Daniel: "I only heard Justin Bieber for the first time two weeks ago. I genuinely thought it was a woman singing." |
| 22:22.10 | Kraps | YEAH |
| 22:23.19 | DWSR | yes |
| 22:23.25 | DWSR | I did too |
| 22:27.13 | Lunessa | If that boy got any more feminine he would be a lesbian |
| 22:30.39 | Kraps | i did like one song of his though |
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| 22:52.33 | Kraps | haha http://sourceforge.net/projects/hypermammut/ |
| 22:53.18 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 22:53.19 | Shirik | (15:48:02) (Kraps) [16:45:41] Shirik: Simple English does not need special treatment, god knows what is said on there and on some of the other language wikipedias. People should be encouraged to stay here and use this wikipedia, it is superior to all others. BritishWatcher (talk) 19:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC) |
| 22:53.21 | Shirik | where did you see this? |
| 22:53.34 | foxlit | google it |
| 22:53.36 | foxlit | google knows everything |
| 22:53.43 | Shirik | also, http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7ec812a01b55094d6022b8a42cc0bb19.png |
| 22:53.59 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Simple_English_Wikipedia |
| 22:55.34 | KarlKFI|work | Shirk: pay extra to get it slower |
| 22:56.00 | Shirik | I really am tempted to pick 3 day to see if they actually slow it down |
| 22:57.54 | Yssaril | Shirik: it should because it is guaranteed to be there on the 3 day not sooner not later |
| 22:58.15 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure they're not going to be sued for an early delivery :P |
| 22:58.16 | Yssaril | at least thats how it works with fedex |
| 22:58.48 | Yssaril | Shirik: i wouldn't assume that people are very particular about their shipping at times |
| 22:59.45 | Yssaril | also some people chose the slower method when shipping to a hotel for instance and their client won't arve there for 2-3 days as such getting it their early might be bad |
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| 23:01.28 | Dagmar | There are *lots* of people out there who have odd schedules that mean they need stuff to arrive on a particular day or days |
| 23:01.29 | Kraps | so with that program i can stretch a song to last 4 milleniums and 182 years |
| 23:02.19 | Dagmar | So, a few minutes longer than Freebird basically. |
| 23:02.27 | Shirik | ok this is sad |
| 23:02.29 | foxlit | Freebird is awesome! |
| 23:03.29 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/025e0d91332bf96cc2759ea0d21932c3.png |
| 23:03.48 | Shirik | I mean granted that's over 5000 cards, but still how do you justify paying over $700 all at once for a bunch of cards |
| 23:04.08 | foxlit | You intend to sell them at RRP? |
| 23:04.27 | Shirik | then wouldn't you get them from the manufacturer? |
| 23:04.42 | cogwheel | so how long will it be 'till i get demoted to bronze? *sigh* |
| 23:04.52 | Shirik | cogwheel: If you lose 5 games in a row you get promoted to gold |
| 23:05.02 | cogwheel | ~lart Shirik |
| 23:05.02 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags Shirik into court suing for $200 million |
| 23:05.06 | Shirik | it's true |
| 23:05.14 | foxlit | Shirik: does the manufacturer bother in low quantities? |
| 23:05.20 | Shirik | foxlit: no idea :) |
| 23:05.23 | Shirik | maybe not |
| 23:05.32 | cogwheel | Shirik: try to lie about something that i haven't already done :P |
| 23:05.34 | Shirik | I don't do this retail stuff! |
| 23:05.42 | Shirik | cogwheel: I'm not lying, I've done it :P |
| 23:05.42 | cogwheel | i've lost every game since the placement matches |
| 23:05.53 | cogwheel | i shouldn't have been placed in silver |
| 23:06.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:06.09 | Shirik | the ranking system is so messed up |
| 23:06.14 | foxlit | Just ignore the league, tbh |
| 23:06.19 | foxlit | It's not like you're matched within it |
| 23:06.22 | Shirik | yeawh |
| 23:06.27 | cogwheel | oh i didn't know that |
| 23:07.09 | cogwheel | also grid bindings ftw... |
| 23:07.25 | foxlit | I ended up learning the default; they seemed relatively obvious |
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| 23:15.37 | Kraps | even beiber can give you an awesome soundscape http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QspuCt1FM9M |
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| 23:28.15 | foxlit | eep. |
| 23:28.22 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/12213/Blizzard_BarbershopUI/Blizzard_BarberShopUI.xml#42 |
| 23:28.34 | cogwheel | finally beat someone =) |
| 23:28.36 | foxlit | a virtual button inside a virtual frame. |
| 23:28.57 | Zyn | we need to go deeper |
| 23:29.57 | foxlit | I wonder how that actually works. |
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| 23:48.37 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_d-gs0WoUw < scary, in a way |
| 23:49.04 | A-KO | if that shouldn't make you paranoid |
| 23:49.05 | A-KO | lol |
| 23:49.41 | Adys | kd3: now every time reports graphics issues in wow, i don't ask "Do you have an ati or a nvidia?" anymore |
| 23:49.49 | Adys | I ask "Do you have an intel or an ati" |
| 23:51.19 | A-KO | lo |
| 23:51.20 | A-KO | l |
| 23:52.03 | A-KO | that video should scare the crap out of you :P |
| 23:52.14 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:52.17 | Shirik | prize for the most disgusting food ever |
| 23:52.24 | Shirik | ~wiki Casu marzu |
| 23:52.31 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:52.45 | Shirik | Casu marzu (also called casu modde, casu cundhÃdu in Sardinian dialects, or in Italian formaggio marcio) is a traditional Sardinian sheep milk cheese, notable for being riddled with live insect larvae. It is found mainly in Sardinia, Italy. Casu marzu literally means "rotten cheese" in Sardinian, and the cheese is known colloquially as maggot cheese. |
| 23:53.09 | A-KO | Shirik: Balut beats it I think |
| 23:53.19 | Shirik | Derived from Pecorino, Casu marzu goes beyond typical fermentation to a stage most would consider decomposition, brought about by the digestive action of the larvae of the cheese fly Piophila casei....When disturbed, the larvae can launch themselves for distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in). |
| 23:54.45 | A-KO | Because the larvae in the cheese can launch themselves for distances up to 15 centimetres (6 in) when disturbed,[1][7] diners hold their hands above the sandwich to prevent the maggots from leaping. |
| 23:54.46 | A-KO | lol |
| 23:56.04 | Shirik | Casu marzu is considered toxic when the maggots in the cheese have died. Because of this, only cheese in which the maggots are still alive is eaten....Piophila casei larvae are very resistant to human stomach acid and can pass through the stomach alive, taking up residency for some period of time in the intestines and causing stomach lesions and other gastrointestinal problems. |
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| 23:57.21 | Shirik | Cide, what do you think the most disgusting food ever is? |
| 23:57.43 | Cide | there was an article on cracked about that that someone linked like a month ago |
| 23:57.47 | Cide | pretty sure those take the prize |
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| 23:58.02 | Shirik | I just found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu |
| 23:58.02 | A-KO | Balut's pretty nasty |
| 23:58.18 | A-KO | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut_(egg) |
| 23:59.26 | Shirik | eh that doesn't look as bad |
| 23:59.37 | Shirik | I mean when you consider it, that's what your everyday egg is |
