| 00:01.05 | Dagmar | I wonder if this change to add PowerAuras-like functionality takes into account what some people like me do with it... |
| 00:01.15 | Dagmar | i.e., BIG SPARKLES over the buttons I should proably be pushing |
| 00:01.35 | Dagmar | ...and the occasional custom "DUMBASS" on the screen when I enter combat with Aspect of the Pack on |
| 00:03.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: should do that for crusader aura too |
| 00:03.21 | Amarande | heh. |
| 00:03.24 | Amarande | "I see that planets reproduce by binary fission in the Final Fantasy VII universe, or so it would seem." |
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| 00:05.57 | Dagmar | rofl @ pvponline |
| 00:10.17 | Cairenn | beta servers down? |
| 00:10.25 | Maldivia | patching |
| 00:10.29 | Cairenn | ah |
| 00:10.30 | Cairenn | danke |
| 00:14.26 | TC-Work | steals Cairenn's pants |
| 00:15.40 | Dagmar | Two words: Detachable pants |
| 00:16.26 | Maldivia | is that the stripper pants you can quickly yank off ? |
| 00:16.49 | TC-Work | 'yank off' might not have been the best choice of words Maldivia |
| 00:17.16 | Cairenn | glares at TC-Work |
| 00:17.37 | TC-Work | oh please Cairenn, like you have never done it. |
| 00:17.48 | Dagmar | Damn. CNN fails at math., |
| 00:17.50 | TC-Work | the only difference is people like it more when you do it |
| 00:18.00 | Cairenn | that's just it - /I? am the only one allowed to steal pants around here |
| 00:18.11 | Dagmar | Maldivia: I have some sort of nylon cargo pants with zippers around the knees. |
| 00:18.34 | Dagmar | Undo the zippers, and they become "shorts", which means that the two tubes of fabric must be pants! |
| 00:18.46 | Maldivia | ahh |
| 00:19.00 | TC-Work | Cairenn: ok |
| 00:19.05 | Dagmar | I am aghast at the uncriticality of this CNN article about passwords |
| 00:19.07 | TC-Work | steals Cairenn's shirt |
| 00:19.21 | Cairenn | Maldivia: you were thnking of 'tear-aways' as opposed to 'detachables' |
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| 00:19.43 | TC-Work | trust Cairenn to know what they are called off hand |
| 00:19.49 | Maldivia | Cairenn: ahh, ok |
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| 00:19.58 | Maldivia | Cairenn: personally, I think stripper pants is more fitting :P |
| 00:19.58 | Cairenn | :p |
| 00:20.14 | Dagmar | It says the gfx card cluster can crack a 11 character password in 180 years... Then talks about 95 glyphs per character, and says 12-character passwords take 17,000 years |
| 00:20.17 | Dagmar | No. |
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| 00:20.50 | Dagmar | A brute force search would take 95x longer, which is a far cry from freaking 17,000 years unless someone's optimizations blow groats. |
| 00:20.55 | Maldivia | Dagmar: that last digit is very effecient then |
| 00:21.03 | Dagmar | Maybe it includes colors |
| 00:25.14 | Dagmar | f**k. |
| 00:25.20 | Dagmar | Nevermind me. The heat has cooked my brain |
| 00:25.45 | Dagmar | I should know better than to attempt simple math unassissted |
| 00:30.08 | Amarande | yay 180 years |
| 00:30.22 | Amarande | if you want to use my credit card 180 years from now, I'm sure I won't be minding |
| 00:30.23 | Amarande | heh |
| 00:40.32 | Dagmar | Meh. Matter is a fiction |
| 00:40.35 | Dagmar | wrong channel |
| 00:43.54 | Amarande | Shikisokuzeku, Dagmar? :) |
| 00:44.06 | Dagmar | Sake-what? |
| 00:44.11 | Amarande | "matter is void" |
| 00:44.21 | Amarande | also "all is vanity" |
| 00:44.36 | Dagmar | No idea what you're referring to |
| 00:45.22 | Dagmar | I was just chatting at someone with more formal physics under their belt than me |
| 00:45.45 | Dagmar | Not exactly trying to find a way to buy winning lottery tickets, but something along those lines |
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| 01:07.26 | tem | I love this meme: http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/066/228/original/Bolvar_on_a_Rollercoaster.jpg?1282081173 |
| 01:08.11 | Dagmar | James Bolvar? |
| 01:08.19 | Dagmar | Nah can't be |
| 01:12.29 | Iriel | Damn it, my 2nd UPS has also become an IPS. I guess I should thoroughly test them more often |
| 01:16.03 | Dagmar | Yeah that's a bitch |
| 01:16.18 | Dagmar | Computing UPS maintenance as a rolling cost is hateful |
| 01:18.55 | Iriel | On top of that the idiots at APC removed the 'I just put a new battery in that device' from their driver software when they released it for Vista |
| 01:19.10 | Iriel | SO while my old one is chugging along nicely on a brand new battery, it thinks it has a runtime of 2 minutes |
| 01:20.45 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 01:20.59 | Dagmar | You think they finally noticed that no one bothers to order new batteries on the smaller ones? |
| 01:21.47 | Sixen | I'd just go with Fedex, personally, ;). |
| 01:21.59 | kd3 | har |
| 01:22.04 | Iriel | They do this wierd hard sell on an "upgrade" over battery replacement |
| 01:22.05 | Sixen | on that note /wave. |
| 01:22.16 | Iriel | But you then do the math for their replacement and it's like $7 less than a brand new retail unit |
| 01:22.22 | Dagmar | It's the same price to get a replacement battery for the ES350 as it is to just roll to the brick and mortar store and buy a whole new dinky UPS |
| 01:22.28 | Iriel | Whereas a new battery was approx 1/3 the cost of a new replacement |
| 01:22.39 | smcn | do you need 2 tanks for 10-man sarth3d? |
| 01:22.51 | Dagmar | On sale it's actually cheaper to just buy a new one |
| 01:23.20 | Dagmar | I bought a 1200 or somethign the last time just so I could actually buy replacement batteries at less than the cost of a new unit |
| 01:23.21 | Cide | you don't even need 10 people I'm sure |
| 01:24.10 | Dagmar | The price point on recycling batteries in the smallest UPSes just doesn't work |
| 01:24.30 | Iriel | Yeah, these are all 1500's tho |
| 01:24.56 | Dagmar | Well, at least there you can get the batteries cheaper than new unit. |
| 01:25.08 | Iriel | I'll probably replace the most recent failure completely because it's got no USB interface, and doesn't have any display panel - I kin dof like the load monitors on the newer ones |
| 01:25.10 | Dagmar | Again, why I bought the big grey one I use on the firewall and cablemodme |
| 01:25.30 | Dagmar | Load is important |
| 01:25.34 | Iriel | Off to Fry's tomorrow. |
| 01:25.45 | Dagmar | Wander significantly above 80% or so and the lifespan goes down, down down |
| 01:26.07 | Dagmar | Better and simpler to have it built in and to go find a Kill-A-watt |
| 01:26.17 | Dagmar | s/and/than/ |
| 01:26.26 | Iriel | Indeed, plus the KillAWatt covers 1/2 of the adjacent socket 8-) |
| 01:26.34 | Dagmar | fucking regexps |
| 01:27.08 | Dagmar | Ah who uses the second outlet on the wall anyway |
| 01:27.15 | Iriel | I have a fan plugged into it |
| 01:29.23 | Amarande | smcn: 10 man sarth3d is still surprisingly difficult |
| 01:29.48 | Amarande | I've seen raids with people averaging T9-T10 gear fail horribly there |
| 01:30.01 | Amarande | I think the main thing is the damn fire tsunami dot, especially if you're heavy on MDPS |
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| 01:32.55 | Amarande | I say if you're heavy on MDPS mainly for one reason |
| 01:33.02 | Amarande | RDPS have a LOT easier time avoiding flame tsunami |
| 01:33.17 | Amarande | if nothing else, for the simple reason that they can actually see what's going on |
| 01:33.35 | Amarande | if you're MDPS against something super huge like Sarth ... well it's a pain in the ass to figure out what's coming at you from where, even with warnings |
| 01:33.41 | Amarande | if you don't do sarth often |
| 01:33.59 | Amarande | since your entire view field is full of dragon and you can't really turn around to see what's coming since you have to face the target to dps ... |
| 01:36.31 | amro | Amarande: yes you can |
| 01:36.35 | amro | left click and rotate |
| 01:37.42 | amro | mdps makes the adds a lot easier to manage too |
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| 02:18.11 | KarlKFI | it's not that bad. you jsut have to have good tanks |
| 02:18.47 | KarlKFI | if the tanks are good they can put the drakes in position that dont require much movement. |
| 02:19.21 | KarlKFI | not to say it's an easy fight |
| 02:20.08 | KarlKFI | but i'd say ranged are more prone to dying to flame walls because they have to stand still to cast |
| 02:20.46 | KarlKFI | and if you're entire view is the dragon you're zoomed in too far |
| 02:21.54 | KarlKFI | sarth has a giant ass hit box |
| 02:22.08 | KarlKFI | you dont have to be up his ass |
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| 02:28.28 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 02:31.07 | Arrowmaster | so my dad got home from the hospital today |
| 02:31.21 | Arrowmaster | hes got some kinda heart monitor and a cell phone |
| 02:31.38 | Arrowmaster | i suspect its bluetooth and they are just using the cellphone as a data modem |
| 02:32.02 | Amarande | Karl: ahh is it one of the drakes that does that bastard of a dot? |
| 02:32.28 | Amarande | I've pretty much only gone to one Sarth+3 attempt, before that I'd only ever done Sarth+0 |
| 02:32.31 | KarlKFI | Amarande: no, the lava does the dot |
| 02:32.54 | KarlKFI | but you can avoid the lava |
| 02:32.54 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, that's pretty sweet |
| 02:33.00 | KarlKFI | that's step 1 to learning sarth |
| 02:33.11 | ZorbaTHut | karl, s/learning sarth/raiding/ |
| 02:33.19 | ZorbaTHut | *avoid the damn fire* |
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| 02:42.20 | Shirik | hi Cide |
| 02:47.00 | Amarande | hah @ TV Tropes' joke name for the Inheritance cycle |
| 02:47.03 | Amarande | "The Chronicles of Narmia" |
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| 03:11.43 | Shirik | adios and vaya con dios |
| 03:13.39 | Dagmar | I wouldn't leave that at just "avoid the damn fire". |
| 03:14.03 | Dagmar | The thing that seems to trip most people up is spotting the *gaps* in the fire so the waves miss you |
| 03:14.34 | Dagmar | Only exception to that seems to be for mages who can blink through it, and hunters who can disengage through it |
| 03:15.35 | Cairenn | anyone else getting a critical error trying to download the new beta patch? |
| 03:16.39 | Amarande | I still don't have a beta key :( |
| 03:16.46 | Amarande | grumbles at Blizzard |
| 03:16.56 | Dagmar | Would it help you feel better knowing there's two of us not getting that error? |
| 03:17.03 | Dagmar | 'cuz we're not in the beta. ;) |
| 03:17.08 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 03:21.29 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: at what point? |
| 03:21.49 | Cairenn | try to log in :p |
| 03:22.05 | Thunder_Child | you log in to dl it? |
| 03:22.13 | Dagmar | What we need is more sensitive error handling. All this criticality is very discouraging. |
| 03:22.27 | Dagmar | Errors need to be more apologetic. You know, take into account the user's feelings. |
| 03:22.38 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:22.51 | Dagmar | Less of this "YOUR DISK SPACE IS INSUFFICIENT." |
| 03:27.50 | Thunder_Child | "i know money is tight but please think about getting a larger HDD" like that? |
| 03:29.04 | Dagmar | Yes, much less relentlessly judgemental. |
| 03:30.36 | Amarande | heh, what's fun is installing older games |
| 03:30.42 | Amarande | ones that don't understand more than a 2GB hard drive |
| 03:30.51 | Amarande | and getting totally wacked out random disk space warnings |
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| 03:37.01 | DWSR | guys. |
| 03:37.26 | DWSR | Is there a point when you need to actually just end up killing yourself because you always end up hurting the people who care about most by doing incredibly stupid shit? |
| 03:37.36 | DWSR | And yes, I'm about to /emo this entire channel up. |
| 03:38.11 | Dagmar | "about to" |
| 03:38.14 | Dagmar | lol |
| 03:38.16 | DWSR | Fiar. |
| 03:38.17 | DWSR | fair* |
| 03:38.20 | Dagmar | Too late now. |
| 03:38.27 | DWSR | Truth. |
| 03:38.29 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 03:38.45 | DWSR | Right now I feel so god damn awful I actually can't feel my body. |
| 03:38.51 | DWSR | I'm hyperventilating. |
| 03:38.54 | Dagmar | Most people just suck it up and gradually do incrementally less-stupid shit |
| 03:39.04 | DWSR | Though, these things may be related. |
| 03:39.07 | Dagmar | i.e., shit happens. |
| 03:39.14 | Thunder_Child | or suck it up and spiral down into depression |
| 03:39.23 | DWSR | Dagmar: The problem being that my incrementally less stupid is still enormously retarded. |
| 03:39.24 | Dagmar | Unless you fucked your sister or something. |
| 03:39.28 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Been down that road. |
| 03:39.28 | Dagmar | That's major. |
| 03:39.38 | Amarande | DWSR, I think there's an Ayria lyric about how sometimes you just end up hurting people :S |
| 03:39.39 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: hardly |
| 03:39.47 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: ah, then you know how to avoid it |
| 03:39.47 | Amarande | "Just leave me alone today ... 'Cause all I do, causes so much pain ..." |
| 03:39.49 | Amarande | from Beta Complex |
| 03:39.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, that's incest. |
| 03:39.53 | Amarande | <3 Ayria. |
| 03:39.53 | Dagmar | Dude, I live in the south. I don't want to know why you think that |
| 03:39.56 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Apparently not. |
| 03:40.05 | Amarande | and what's wrong, DWSR? |
| 03:40.11 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: then you didnt learn your lesson |
| 03:40.17 | Amarande | I never thought I'd see *you* of all people break down like this :( |
| 03:40.23 | Shirik | :/ |
| 03:40.26 | Shirik | gmail is scary |
| 03:40.27 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: I said incrementally less stupid. Less is relative. |
| 03:40.30 | Dagmar | ANything short of fucking your blood relatives or selling extended family members into slavery is probably just a life lesson a year from now |
| 03:40.35 | Shirik | someone from work sent me an email to my gmail |
| 03:40.36 | Amarande | you were the one always criticizing *my* comments, and mine were far less negative and overemotional |
| 03:40.44 | Shirik | More about... |
| 03:40.44 | Shirik | Itar Regulations » |
| 03:40.44 | Shirik | Export License » |
| 03:40.44 | Shirik | Immigration Law » |
| 03:40.44 | Shirik | Export Controls » |
| 03:40.53 | DWSR | paste fail. |
| 03:41.03 | Shirik | I blame Windows |
| 03:41.06 | Thunder_Child | seems kinda win to me |
| 03:41.11 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 03:41.12 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:41.16 | Shirik | ~faildwsr |
| 03:41.17 | Thunder_Child | since now we get to laugh at Shirik |
| 03:41.21 | Amarande | DWSR: and fwiw, most of my wow negativity has disappeared since I've finally found a regular raid :) |
| 03:41.24 | Shirik | no you don't |
| 03:41.24 | DWSR | Shirik: fail. |
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| 03:41.36 | DWSR | I never had op. |
| 03:41.39 | Dagmar | Okay now I have to ask |
| 03:41.39 | Amarande | it kinda makes me boggle at gs whores even more though now |
| 03:41.46 | Amarande | since they want like 5200+ for ICC10 so often |
| 03:41.46 | Dagmar | DWSR: You *didn't* screw your sister, did you? |
| 03:41.51 | Shirik | ??? |
| 03:41.51 | DWSR | No. |
| 03:41.54 | Amarande | when I first finally hit ICC10? I didn't even have 4800 GS |
| 03:41.57 | DWSR | [23:41:25] Shirik [~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] has set mode -o DWSR |
| 03:41.58 | Dagmar | Okay then it can't be all _that_ bad whatever you did |
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| 03:42.09 | Dagmar | It just looks bad _right now_ |
| 03:42.10 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: why do you make that sound so bad? |
| 03:42.10 | Amarande | I still went 6/12, and made a distinctly good impression on the raid leader for playing my class correctly and following the strategy well |
| 03:42.16 | Thunder_Child | it really isny |
| 03:42.16 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: WTF man |
| 03:42.18 | Thunder_Child | isnt* |
| 03:42.35 | Thunder_Child | i assume we are talking consentual? |
| 03:42.41 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 03:43.03 | Thunder_Child | really, the only thing you dont do is have kids |
| 03:43.09 | Thunder_Child | other than that, i dont really see the issue |
| 03:43.29 | Dagmar | Okay man, I live in the deep fucking south, and jokes aside... That's pretty much considered a serious no-no, even here. |
| 03:44.13 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:44.47 | Thunder_Child | ok, ignoring the law and religon, whats so bad about it? |
| 03:45.01 | Dagmar | THat it makes the rest of your family pretty angry |
| 03:45.08 | kd3 | greater chance of birth defects due to genetic issues? |
| 03:45.12 | Dagmar | I mean, that alone should generall be good enough |
| 03:45.17 | Thunder_Child | kd3: i already said dont have kids |
| 03:45.52 | rljohn | beta maintenance complete |
| 03:46.04 | kd3 | wait, wait... I've lost track of the convo |
| 03:46.06 | kd3 | scrolls up |
| 03:46.08 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: well that really has nothing to do with anything. pretend they are orphans |
| 03:46.15 | Dagmar | Okay so even by standards of what ever savage place TC lives in, even if you did your sister, it's probably something that'll be thought of as a "life lesson" a year from now |
| 03:46.27 | Thunder_Child | ummm...Los Angeles |
| 03:46.31 | Thunder_Child | savage? |
| 03:46.33 | Thunder_Child | eh |
| 03:46.55 | Dagmar | kd3: Are you sure you even want to know? |
| 03:47.06 | kd3 | probably n ot |
| 03:47.19 | kd3 | goes back to pulling bits out of today's patch |
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| 03:49.08 | Dagmar | DWSR: If this is some situation in which you "failed" your family by flunking out of school, getting fired for doing something stupid, or even a DUI accident, if no one died it shouldn't be something your _family_ can't get past |
| 03:49.52 | Dagmar | You'll be fine, even if there's yelling and screaming right now |
| 03:49.56 | Thunder_Child | who said anything about family? |
| 03:50.15 | DWSR | It's not about family. |
| 03:50.20 | Thunder_Child | exaclty |
| 03:50.28 | Dagmar | thinks on odds |
| 03:50.34 | Dagmar | "Chicks lie." |
| 03:50.47 | Thunder_Child | andother asumption |
| 03:51.01 | Dagmar | Twice I've had girls that for all I knew, broke it off with my housemate weeks ago |
| 03:51.07 | Dagmar | "had" |
| 03:51.47 | kd3 | oh, crazy talk. roommates' exes are off-limits. safer that way. they know where I live |
| 03:51.57 | Amarande | kd3: love as thou wilt |
| 03:52.17 | kd3 | as much as I'd like to follow that precept, not with some of the people I know |
| 03:52.28 | Dagmar | kd3: Yes, I pretty much follow that *now*, or at least get very clear verbal confirmation with said housemate aforehand |
| 03:52.53 | Amarande | But you must follow the precepts! |
| 03:52.53 | Dagmar | I also check ID. |
| 03:52.56 | eidolarr | not even confirmation is enough imo |
| 03:52.57 | Amarande | heh, now I'm thinking of FFX |
| 03:53.04 | Amarande | where the Yevonites were always raving obsessively about their precepts |
| 03:53.04 | Dagmar | For much the same reason. |
| 03:53.04 | eidolarr | it is forbidden |
| 03:53.05 | Amarande | LOL |
| 03:54.08 | Amarande | meh |
| 03:54.15 | Amarande | love is worth taking the risk of having the person you live with hate you |
| 03:54.16 | Arrowmaster | Overlord/Overlord2 has the best title screen music of any game |
| 03:54.21 | Amarande | just make sure you have a strong enough password on your PC |
| 03:54.22 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:54.39 | Dagmar | Who said anything about "love". I was pretty sure I typed "had". |
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| 03:55.40 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: do you have a 'you must be this tall to ride the dagmar' sign outside your room? |
| 03:55.55 | Dagmar | I seriously thought about that at one point in my raving days |
| 03:56.32 | Dagmar | Just because there's a door check and an age policy doesn't necessarily mean it's safe to go home with whatever little blonde says "Heya... <censored>?" |
| 03:56.52 | kd3 | ick. ravergirls are scary. nothing says jailbait more than ecstasy--ed up kiddos |
| 03:57.15 | Amarande | heh you know what's weird, I don't think I've ever had a romantic relationship with a blonde |
| 03:57.27 | Dagmar | s/scary/delicious/ |
| 03:57.31 | Dagmar | fix'd |
| 03:57.32 | kd3 | winces at some of the uncomfortable morning-after conversations he's had |
| 03:58.02 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.41 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.53 | kd3 | warped being shotgun to the crotch? |
| 03:58.54 | Arrowmaster | are you going to tell us a story now? |
| 03:59.05 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.29 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.39 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 03:59.41 | eidolarr | lol owned |
| 03:59.42 | kd3 | wtf |
| 03:59.43 | Wobin | a giant moustache costume? |
| 04:00.02 | Dagmar | He was right up in my face. I was fully clothed and stuff |
| 04:00.13 | Dagmar | I wake up and all I can see is a mustache |
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| 04:01.26 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: seriously get me a job, you have way more fun IRL than i do |
| 04:01.38 | Dagmar | Well, that was pretty much "what I did" then. |
| 04:02.01 | Dagmar | I paid my bills working at a travel agency, ferreting reservations out of the system at lightning speed, and spent my nights clubbing. |
| 04:02.07 | Dagmar | I was pretty focused. hehe |
| 04:02.18 | Wobin | He's much more respectable nowadays =) |
| 04:02.24 | Dagmar | sadly, yes. |
| 04:02.27 | Arrowmaster | im not even sure which of my IRL friends even live in the state anymore |
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| 04:02.53 | Arrowmaster | except for the ones i know dont |
| 04:03.15 | Wobin | Don't worry Dagmar, we like you fine the way you are. If you had continued on that path, we'd never get to talk to you! |
| 04:03.25 | Wobin | (unless you irc'd from the club) |
| 04:03.30 | DWSR | Don't listen to Wobin. |
| 04:03.32 | DWSR | We all hate you. |
| 04:03.38 | Dagmar | That was why I liked DNA Lounge. |
| 04:03.42 | DWSR | rofl |
| 04:04.21 | Dagmar | Hoppin' online going "Dudes... RObbie Hardkiss just showed up. Getcherasses down here" |
| 04:04.37 | DWSR | I wanna see Deadmau5 again. |
| 04:04.43 | DWSR | that night was 16 levels of epic. |
| 04:04.49 | Dagmar | Yeah they're pretty good |
| 04:04.56 | DWSR | s/they're/he's/ |
| 04:04.59 | DWSR | fixt. |
| 04:05.24 | eidolarr | marijuana legal in cali soon?! |
| 04:05.35 | Dagmar | Probably so. |
| 04:05.59 | Dagmar | There's budgeting people putting together charts and graphs now, so at least they're taking the possibility seriously. |
| 04:06.31 | eidolarr | did you see that sarah palin and glenn beck spoke in favor of it? |
| 04:06.32 | DWSR | eidolarr: Most likely, if only to free up cops to chase down the real bads. |
| 04:06.37 | DWSR | Sarah Palin would. |
| 04:06.42 | Dagmar | I'd be behind them but I still have doubts about the LEO enforcement of DUI laws |
| 04:07.16 | Dagmar | If they don't start having epic numbers of people driving stoned silly, then it'll be a blessing |
| 04:07.59 | DWSR | Dagmar: You still drive better stoned than you do drunk. |
| 04:08.11 | eidolarr | that's what i was going to say |
| 04:08.39 | Dagmar | Yeah but people still get incredibly stupid when they're high. |
| 04:08.53 | Dagmar | You can make bad judgements quickly, and they'll still be had |
| 04:08.56 | Dagmar | er bad |
| 04:09.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: People are incredibly stupid. Period. |
| 04:09.15 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.18 | Dagmar | That it's hella illegal is the thing that keeps most stoners (and by that I mean people who are USED to it) focused enough to manage |
| 04:09.37 | Dagmar | Think about what happens when you couple that with Soccer Mom who can't handle a phone and drive at the same time |
| 04:09.59 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: It's like drinking and driving. |
| 04:10.06 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.11 | Dagmar | There's number of correlaries appropriate to this as well |
| 04:10.12 | Amarande | "But I would not feel so all alone ... Eeeeeeeverybody must get stoned!" |
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| 04:10.16 | DWSR | No, but for illustrative purposes. |
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| 04:10.23 | DWSR | You can drink a little, be ok, and drive. |
| 04:10.30 | DWSR | Or, you can be drunk, get pulled over, and go to jailed. |
| 04:10.34 | DWSR | s/jailed/jail/ |
| 04:10.35 | Amarande | wonders if I'm the only one here who listens to Bob Dyln |
| 04:10.53 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.55 | eidolarr | well i find that drunk people are much less aware of how intoxicated they are than stoned people |
| 04:10.58 | DWSR | ^ |
| 04:11.10 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.11 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: You should try it sometime. A nice buzz is fantastic for doing work. |
| 04:11.17 | DWSR | At any rate. |
| 04:11.41 | DWSR | If you make it legal, then you at least free up cops to catch murderers and rapists. You know, the real criminals. |
| 04:11.47 | Dagmar | That's true |
| 04:12.04 | Cide | yeah, because those run rampant across town every night |
| 04:12.11 | Cide | oh wait that's the drunks |
| 04:12.40 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.02 | Amarande | takes a Chevy to the levee |
| 04:13.04 | Amarande | aww |
| 04:13.05 | Amarande | it's dry |
| 04:13.05 | Amarande | :( |
| 04:13.11 | DWSR | That's not a movie. |
| 04:13.14 | eidolarr | man you must have a weak mind or something |
| 04:13.19 | kd3 | wha... tools/client update didn't actually update the /client/ |
| 04:13.20 | Amarande | eidolarr: who? |
| 04:13.21 | eidolarr | when i am high every movie is like the best movie ever created |
| 04:13.22 | Amarande | is drunk, btw |
| 04:13.28 | DWSR | eidolarr: Ditto. |
| 04:13.57 | eidolarr | Amarande: i was talking to arrowmaster |
| 04:14.30 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.41 | eidolarr | haha that is a good pick |
| 04:15.18 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.49 | Arrowmaster | but that was a hell of a long time ago |
| 04:15.55 | DWSR | heh. |
| 04:16.03 | Amarande | Arrow, I think that movie is probably ONLY enjoyable stoned |
| 04:16.05 | DWSR | I remember listening to some trip hop stoned. |
| 04:16.10 | Amarande | I watched that once sober, and it was boring as shit |
| 04:16.13 | DWSR | I'm pretty sure time slowed down n shit. |
| 04:16.16 | DWSR | It was like bullet time. |
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| 04:18.13 | feeserrm_ | Hi is anyone online |
| 04:18.17 | DWSR | No. |
| 04:18.28 | feeserrm_ | Ok? |
| 04:18.36 | DWSR | (Clearly, that was a joke). |
| 04:18.38 | DWSR | What's up? |
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| 04:20.04 | feeserrm_ | How do I set a macro that says my pets name like%t does for a target |
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| 04:20.32 | DWSR | UnitName(playerpet) |
| 04:20.37 | DWSR | err. |
| 04:20.38 | DWSR | Actually. |
| 04:20.40 | eidolarr | but it has to be in a script |
| 04:20.43 | eidolarr | and it's "pet" i thought |
| 04:20.56 | feeserrm_ | Ok let me try |
| 04:21.07 | eidolarr | well no it won't work |
| 04:21.47 | feeserrm_ | It didn't |
| 04:22.02 | eidolarr | try like |
| 04:22.23 | eidolarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.12 | DWSR | eidolarr: playerpet should be valid. |
| 04:23.16 | DWSR | since party1pet is. |
| 04:23.26 | DWSR | Even though pet is also valid. |
| 04:23.42 | feeserrm_ | Hmm idk |
| 04:24.02 | feeserrm_ | Oh ok |
| 04:24.13 | feeserrm_ | Lol lemme try again |
| 04:24.50 | DWSR | Oh, nevermind, party1pet isn't valid, and neither is playerpet. Don't mind me. |
| 04:27.15 | Thunder_Child | DWSR: already done |
| 04:27.51 | feeserrm_ | I can't get it to work but I don't code much |
| 04:27.53 | DWSR | eidolarr: You're missing a target for SendChatMessage |
| 04:28.02 | DWSR | feeserrm_: What do you want to do with the macro? |
| 04:28.17 | eidolarr | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendChatMessage says only the first arg is necessary |
| 04:28.37 | DWSR | Ah, good point. |
| 04:28.43 | feeserrm_ | Say my pets name like %t for target |
| 04:29.09 | feeserrm_ | O rong chat |
| 04:29.11 | eidolarr | feeserrm_: does it say anything at all? |
| 04:29.38 | DWSR | feeserrm_: Yeah, but do you want it to /say it? /yell it? |
| 04:30.19 | Wobin | haha, australian politics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ_s6V1Kv6A&feature=youtu.be |
| 04:33.10 | kd3 | oops |
| 04:34.26 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YncVKgpTd6E&feature=channel |
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| 04:39.00 | Dashkal | Oh lovely. Current beta patch locks out my main. |
| 04:39.07 | Dashkal | Crash on login in Dalaran |
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| 04:39.28 | kd3 | the new patch is broken. afaik it didn't actually update the client... just download the new data |
| 04:39.39 | kd3 | still sees 12759 trying to log in |
| 04:39.41 | DWSR | ^ |
| 04:39.44 | Dashkal | oh, total break. nice |
| 04:39.46 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 04:39.47 | feeserrm_ | I couldn't find anything thx everyone |
| 04:39.57 | Dashkal | Actually nice. Means it'll fix soon. I can handle that |
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| 04:45.22 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 04:45.26 | Shirik | Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis Ackis |
| 04:49.47 | DWSR | Anyone know where Cairenn went? |
| 04:59.36 | Dashkal | kd3: Patch works. cache issue: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26560567156/possible-fix-for-multiple-crash-issues/ |
| 04:59.43 | kd3 | saw that |
| 05:00.05 | kd3 | there's issues that that doesn't fix, though. like seeking before the beginning of a file and other sanity checks not passing |
| 05:00.23 | Amarande | DWSR: *shrug* |
| 05:00.26 | Amarande | probably to sleep |
| 05:00.32 | Amarande | the woman doesn't sleep enough anyways :P |
| 05:00.37 | kd3 | cairenn, sleep? |
| 05:00.39 | kd3 | perish the thought |
| 05:00.52 | Amarande | kd3: seeing as you die if you don't sleep for a long enough time I'm sure she does eventually |
| 05:01.03 | Amarande | and that would be a shame, because I like Cairenn |
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| 05:09.40 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 05:17.48 | DWSR | kd3: It's not that. |
| 05:17.54 | DWSR | We were in the middle of a conversation. |
| 05:18.02 | DWSR | And she just logged, saying "brb" |
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| 05:18.11 | kd3 | oh, then, no. I dunno |
| 05:18.15 | DWSR | So, assumably, she is/was planning on coming back |
| 05:18.16 | DWSR | :P |
| 05:21.31 | bluspacecow | oh hai kd3 |
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| 05:21.48 | bluspacecow | any one in beta on a PPC mac able to login ? |
| 05:24.40 | Wobin | http://notalwaysright.com/cinnamon-puns/6632 |
| 05:24.46 | Wobin | is actually pretty cute =) |
| 05:27.27 | Shirik | Ackis why do you not answer me :< |
| 05:28.06 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 05:28.12 | bluspacecow | i will go out on a date with you |
| 05:32.56 | Shirik | Ackis is so mean to me |
| 05:33.27 | bluspacecow | i mean ackis will go out on a date with you |
| 05:35.16 | bluspacecow | yay |
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| 05:35.34 | bluspacecow | the battle.net page no longer requires you to have flash installed for the little login pop up to come up |
| 05:37.06 | bluspacecow | god damn sc2 page screwed up my battle.net region ! |
| 05:38.51 | Shirik | bluspacecow |
| 05:39.10 | Shirik | your name on IRC is evil |
| 05:39.11 | bluspacecow | yes ? |
| 05:39.15 | bluspacecow | why ? |
| 05:39.17 | Shirik | [whois: bluspacecow] |
| 05:39.17 | Shirik |  ⺠name: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mur |
| 05:39.20 | Shirik | like |
| 05:39.31 | Shirik | you're all like "oh you want to see my wowarmory here you go NOT" |
| 05:39.42 | bluspacecow | _>_> |
| 05:41.11 | bluspacecow | erm |
| 05:41.15 | bluspacecow | maybe the URL is too long ? |
| 05:41.22 | bluspacecow | brb |
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| 05:42.13 | bluspacecow | kk try now shirik |
| 05:42.29 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:42.47 | bluspacecow | *giggles* |
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| 05:44.21 | bluspacecow | how about now ? |
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| 06:08.42 | bluspacecow | http://piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ |
| 06:08.44 | bluspacecow | woah |
| 06:09.56 | Amarande | wow the things you learn from TV Tropes sometimes |
| 06:10.03 | Amarande | Did you know that Shakespeare married an older woman? |
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| 06:13.19 | wereHamster | bluspacecow: uhm, what does kon boot does that a normal livecd doesn't? |
| 06:13.57 | bluspacecow | not sure |
| 06:14.14 | bluspacecow | can a live CD log you into windows without an admin user login and password ? |
| 06:14.32 | wereHamster | not windows, but with linux you can |
| 06:15.03 | bluspacecow | I see |
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| 06:23.40 | Dagmar | You have to do something fairly kinky with the hives |
| 06:24.01 | Dagmar | ...but if you just want access to the filesystem, Ubuntu's Live CD can read the hell out of some NTFS |
| 06:25.31 | Amarande | mmmm kinky |
| 06:25.45 | Amarande | kinky is never bad, Dagmar, you know that don't you? |
| 06:26.06 | Dagmar | Why bother with the foreplay of merging hives when you don't have to. |
| 06:26.09 | Dagmar | It's windows anyway. |
| 06:26.14 | Dagmar | Who cares how it feels about things |
| 06:26.38 | Amarande | heh |
| 06:26.44 | Amarande | I did mention I was drunk, didn't I? |
| 06:27.13 | bluspacecow | are you the master of drunken style kung fu coding ? |
| 06:27.49 | Amarande | anyway |
| 06:27.50 | Amarande | night folks. |
| 06:37.31 | Arrowmaster | so 5gb of hdd space was being taken up with one virtualbox snapshot |
| 06:37.42 | Arrowmaster | well not really a snapshot but the changes since the last snapshot |
| 06:37.55 | Arrowmaster | you want to know what i did on that snapshot? installed .NET 3.5 |
| 06:38.11 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 06:38.59 | Arrowmaster | 2gb of that might have been the files i was coping over to the xbox360 formatted memory stick |
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| 06:53.17 | Fisker | i hate you Arrowmaster |
| 06:53.28 | Arrowmaster | and i love you too |
| 06:53.33 | Arrowmaster | ~Fisker++ |
| 06:54.20 | Fisker | it's your fault |
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| 07:06.58 | Fisker | screw you again Arrowmaster |
| 07:07.04 | Fisker | i just got some cola down the wrong throat |
| 07:07.31 | Fisker | so i coughed a mouth out over my keyboard and monitor :( |
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| 07:08.32 | Fisker | you hurt me kd3 |
| 07:08.37 | Iriel | Time to give the keyboard a water rinse ASAP |
| 07:08.55 | Cairenn | huggles Iriel |
| 07:10.32 | Iriel | waves.. hi hi |
| 07:11.26 | Fisker | it's survived worse |
| 07:11.39 | Fisker | it's my monitor i'm worried about |
| 07:11.47 | durcyn | how many throats do you have, Fisker |
| 07:12.07 | Fisker | last time when i put a mentos in a diet red soda and erupted it all over my monitor it pretty much got fucked up :( |
| 07:12.25 | Fisker | durcyn i don't know the technical term |
| 07:12.32 | Fisker | But you have one for digestion and one for air |
| 07:12.41 | Fisker | cola in air throat = fail |
| 07:13.42 | durcyn | esophagus, trachea, larynx, pick one |
| 07:13.52 | Fisker | imma stick with throat |
| 07:15.03 | Iriel | I think the common term is "down the wrong way" or "down the wrong pipe" |
| 07:15.10 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 07:15.14 | Iriel | Or "I tried to breathe my cola" |
| 07:15.24 | Fisker | would be awesome though |
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| 07:24.44 | Fisker | does auctioneer do something like buying auctions by clicking items? |
| 07:24.50 | Fisker | i.e ctrl+left click or something? |
| 07:29.03 | Fisker | found the answer :o |
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| 07:45.50 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/21/funny-pictures-video-kitteh-sucks-its-paw/ - this cat must have stepped on something really tasty |
| 07:51.58 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest?purgeit |
| 07:52.02 | Adys | 8071 new items |
| 07:52.03 | Adys | \o/ |
| 07:52.07 | Adys | thanks blizzard <3 |
| 07:52.18 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 07:52.33 | Adys | kd3: ^ |
| 07:53.34 | zenzelezz | http://roflrazzi.com/2010/08/20/celebrity-pictures-trilogy-meter/ - this is surprisingly accurate |
| 07:53.56 | zenzelezz | I'd wear a Deprecated Red Linen Shirt |
| 07:56.32 | Arrowmaster | that chart is lacking |
| 07:56.40 | Arrowmaster | since many of those things are not trilogys |
| 07:57.05 | Arrowmaster | and aliens 3 should be low but not that low |
| 07:57.38 | zenzelezz | hell yes it should |
| 07:57.52 | Arrowmaster | 4th was better than 3rd though |
| 07:58.02 | Arrowmaster | not better than 2nd |
| 07:58.05 | Arrowmaster | but still up there |
| 07:58.23 | Arrowmaster | and do we all know who wrote the 4th one? |
| 07:59.02 | Arrowmaster | anybody? |
| 07:59.21 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 07:59.38 | Arrowmaster | SOMEBODY GO LOOK IT UP THEN! |
| 08:00.07 | zenzelezz | that reminds me, I need to watch Aliens again... been too long since the last time |
| 08:01.51 | Arrowmaster | i watched it when the power went out |
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| 08:02.17 | Arrowmaster | and then the laptop battery died about 10 minutes from the end of Alien |
| 08:03.52 | Arrowmaster | this was a different power loss incident than the time i ran a laptop, wifi router and cable modem, off of a 300 watt dc inverter attached to my car battery and ran the car for 30 minutes every 12 hours to charge the battery for an entire week |
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| 08:07.01 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/57859/essence-of-the-underworld-nyi/ |
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| 08:13.44 | Arrowmaster | Adys: transform? |
| 08:13.57 | Adys | Arrowmaster: *shrugs* |
| 08:14.53 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if its usable while falling |
| 08:15.14 | Arrowmaster | are you thinking what im thinking |
| 08:15.14 | krka | I think so, Arrowmaster *NARF*, but don't camels spit a lot? |
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| 08:32.28 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/53869/war-paint-shirt-not-good-for-the-ladies/ |
| 08:32.58 | krka | i cant believe someone actually triggered that |
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| 08:48.57 | krka | man, building wine is sloooow |
| 08:52.33 | Arrowmaster | doesnt it take like an hour? |
| 08:52.44 | Adys | nah |
| 08:52.47 | Adys | well |
| 08:52.58 | Adys | with -j7 for me it takes like 5 minutes, top |
| 08:53.21 | Adys | CC="ccache gcc-4.4 -msse4 -march=native -mtune=native -O3 -Wall" ./configure |
| 08:53.59 | krka | wtb ubuntu binary :( |
| 08:54.04 | Adys | of what? |
| 08:54.07 | Adys | they have one |
| 08:54.19 | krka | not in the repository apparently |
| 08:54.22 | Adys | ehhh |
| 08:54.24 | krka | only 1.3.0 afaik |
| 08:54.32 | Adys | uhm |
| 08:54.37 | Adys | what version do you want? |
| 08:54.53 | krka | 1.3.1 |
| 08:55.05 | Adys | why? Oo |
| 08:56.03 | Adys | also 1.3.1 was released < 24 hours ago |
| 08:56.15 | Adys | what do you need from it anyway? |
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| 08:56.17 | krka | which is why i am currently trying to build it instead |
| 08:56.24 | krka | cataclysm beta fix |
| 08:56.36 | Adys | the kernel32.setfilevaliddata or something? |
| 08:56.41 | krka | yeah |
| 08:56.47 | Adys | it was in 1.3.0 afaik |
| 08:56.52 | krka | no |
| 08:57.00 | Adys | hm |
| 08:57.02 | Adys | it wasnt, yeha |
| 08:57.04 | harl | huhu |
| 08:57.18 | Adys | krka: you could just build kernel32.dll |
| 08:57.26 | Adys | and overwrite ubuntu's |
| 08:57.27 | Adys | :p |
| 08:57.48 | Adys | it sounds like a terrible idea, but. |
| 08:58.35 | krka | i guess |
| 08:58.40 | krka | but that requires more effort on my part |
| 09:04.37 | Adys | http://www.popsci.com/science/gallery/2010-08/secret-histories-those-ing-computer-symbols |
| 09:04.54 | Adys | pretty cool; some of them are obvious/well known but still |
| 09:05.15 | Cairenn | more keys assigned |
| 09:06.56 | Adys | ~wowalert |
| 09:06.57 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 09:55.41 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2010/08/probabilistic-processors-possibly-potent.ars, interesting. |
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| 10:40.20 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/08/privacy-groups-facebook-already-facing-off-over-places.ars, ... ha... noobs... |
| 10:41.28 | Fisker | i came cbreak |
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| 10:43.40 | Fisker | why did i do that? |
| 10:44.04 | cbreak | because your job as hitman for the mafia just became a lot easier? |
| 10:44.05 | zenzelezz | <Facebook developer>: but what if people don't want their locations to be known? <Facebook management>: why wouldn't they? |
| 10:45.06 | cbreak | "a Facebook engineer said that people should only be adding places that are public" |
| 10:45.26 | cbreak | interestingly, apparently "friends" can add places for you and you can't delete them anymore |
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| 11:00.48 | Fisker | some people shouldn't be allowed to play WoW |
| 11:01.18 | mikma | yes, you |
| 11:01.26 | Fisker | this guy think Blizzard is being dishonest by offering race changes when he can only choose a blood elf |
| 11:01.34 | Fisker | (i.e. he's a paladin) |
| 11:05.09 | nevcairiel | tell him to wait a few month, he can choose other races then |
| 11:06.20 | Fisker | tauren* |
| 11:06.22 | Fisker | and yeah i did |
| 11:07.51 | Adys | Ugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh WINDOWS |
| 11:07.59 | Adys | also, ugh bash |
| 11:08.22 | Adys | winepath -w returns a windows path, unquoted/unescaped, such as C:\Program Files\Whatever |
| 11:08.47 | Adys | so I'm doing winepath -w file1 file2 file3 and it returns C:\Program Files\file1 C:\Program Files\file2 C:\Program Files\file3 |
| 11:08.59 | Adys | I need to quote each arg individually to pass them to my program |
| 11:09.02 | Adys | any idea how? |
| 11:09.12 | Adys | er |
| 11:09.20 | Adys | actually Im not sure quotes will even do the trick .. |
| 11:09.41 | Dezzimal | Coming soon, $25 to be able to play terran instead of zerg. |
| 11:10.03 | Fisker | wat Dezzimal ? |
| 11:10.41 | cbreak | I play random for free |
| 11:11.03 | cbreak | you should really do that tutorial on "clicking a button for dummies" |
| 11:12.38 | Arrowmaster | i just had an argument with my mother that the tape she handed to me was not duct tape but just tape |
| 11:12.50 | Arrowmaster | because duct tape is fucking gray |
| 11:12.56 | Fisker | http://failblog.org/2010/08/20/epic-fail-photos-free-sample-fail/ <-i think it |
| 11:12.59 | Arrowmaster | it is not duct tape if its purple..... |
| 11:13.01 | Fisker | it's a free sample win :( |
| 11:14.19 | cbreak | why do they put the "word" "fail" into the title twice? |
| 11:14.36 | cbreak | maybe they use that word like brackets or quotation marks. |
| 11:14.37 | Fisker | SEO tiems? |
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| 11:35.26 | Arrowmaster | Adys: for me winepath returns each on a newline |
| 11:35.47 | Arrowmaster | which is also not ideal, it should have a -0 option but it doesnt |
| 11:36.07 | Arrowmaster | who the hell made this and didnt include a -0 option |
| 11:36.25 | Adys | what would -0 do? separate with nul? |
| 11:36.28 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 11:36.39 | Arrowmaster | because that is the only character you can be sure is not in the path |
| 11:39.32 | Adys | Arrowmaster: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24072 |
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| 11:40.56 | Adys | winepath code is actually pretty clean |
| 11:41.06 | Adys | if i were more familiar with C I'd write a patch |
| 11:44.04 | Adys | Arrowmaster: do you have an app in mind that can get -0 as arg? |
| 11:44.10 | Adys | i thought find could but i guess i was wrong |
| 11:44.28 | Arrowmaster | youve never used find -print0 | xargs -0 ? |
| 11:45.02 | Adys | ah -print0 |
| 11:45.29 | cbreak | mdfind > find |
| 11:46.39 | Arrowmaster | Adys: if you are doing this in a script you could probably just run winepath once per file and put the result into a variable |
| 11:46.46 | Arrowmaster | probably the best way to get the quoting right |
| 11:47.46 | Adys | mpqedit doesn't handle quoting well, either |
| 11:47.47 | Adys | :( |
| 11:47.53 | Adys | ill get that fixed though |
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| 12:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: what? |
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| 12:58.19 | Adys | Arrowmaster, here? |
| 12:59.01 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 13:01.41 | Adys | Arrowmaster: what's the short way to do if (blah & 16) { stuff(); blah -= 16 } ? |
| 13:02.19 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue what that is supposed to even do |
| 13:02.37 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/qS1aE |
| 13:02.44 | Adys | i got bored and implemented it but it doesn't work without args |
| 13:02.55 | olafski | if the 5th bit (from the right) is set, do stuff() and unset the 5th bit? |
| 13:03.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont even know what language your using |
| 13:03.46 | Adys | yes |
| 13:03.47 | Adys | and C |
| 13:03.52 | Arrowmaster | dont know C |
| 13:05.05 | cbreak | you can unset bits with thing &= 1 << 5 |
| 13:06.47 | olafski | hm, is Spirit a secondary stat in cataclysm? oO |
| 13:06.51 | Adys | got it sorted |
| 13:06.59 | Adys | snugglygropes Kalroth |
| 13:07.07 | nevcairiel | Spirit is kinda special |
| 13:07.27 | olafski | you can reforge secondary stats, but in the totalbiscuit video he can reduce hit rating and add it to spirit for instance |
| 13:07.39 | olafski | I figured primary would still be stam, int, agi, str, spi |
| 13:07.53 | nevcairiel | spi is more a secondary |
| 13:07.57 | nevcairiel | it isnt increased by kings |
| 13:07.59 | nevcairiel | for example |
| 13:08.03 | olafski | oh oO |
| 13:08.28 | olafski | good to know, that :) I always assumed kings just did +10% on all stats |
| 13:08.30 | olafski | (primary :S) |
| 13:08.34 | nevcairiel | it does now |
| 13:08.42 | nevcairiel | but not anymore with cata |
| 13:08.44 | olafski | ah glad I wasn't wrong about that then.. so they're changing it |
| 13:09.02 | olafski | spirit will include MP5 too in cata right? |
| 13:09.04 | nevcairiel | spirit is just a nice name for mana-regen (and hit for hybrids) |
| 13:09.09 | nevcairiel | yeah, no mp5 anymore |
| 13:09.56 | olafski | oh hit too.. I remember seeing some talents like that |
| 13:09.57 | olafski | very nice |
| 13:10.25 | olafski | and I assume you can only reforge an item once? i.e. don't take 40% off of hit and put it in spi, and 40% off of crit and put that in spi too |
| 13:11.04 | olafski | anyhoo I'm off, gotta clean the house, thanks for the answers :) |
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| 13:11.16 | Lunessa | station |
| 13:19.32 | Adys | Arrowmaster: http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=30266 |
| 13:30.09 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5617465/nsfw-catherine-gets-debut-trailer |
| 13:30.10 | Arrowmaster | lol sheep |
| 13:31.46 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: wha' do yae hae agains' sheep, laddie? |
| 13:32.38 | augustl | yay, /bug has returned |
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| 13:37.41 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5616573/this-looks-pretty-slick-for-an-indie-game |
| 13:37.45 | Arrowmaster | funny ending |
| 13:39.07 | augustl | in the beta, is it possible to turn of name plates of mobs related to quests you currently have? |
| 13:39.36 | augustl | names, not name plates |
| 13:40.12 | A-KO | beta sucks atm |
| 13:40.16 | A-KO | this streaming client crap is the bad |
| 13:40.24 | A-KO | slows my wow load times down tremendously |
| 13:40.42 | nevcairiel | just let it finish and then play like normal |
| 13:41.21 | augustl | deleting WTF, Cache and Data/Cache worked for me |
| 13:42.53 | cbreak | I like it |
| 13:44.42 | Lunessa | augustl: There is a checkbox under names for "tracked" items. |
| 13:45.37 | augustl | Lunessa: tried that, it still shows names for quest related mobs |
| 13:45.59 | Lunessa | then you are, in the common parlance, fucked. |
| 13:46.22 | augustl | did they do something with HP or regeneration or whatever? I used to be able to kill almost an infinite number of starting zone mobs at lvl1/2, now I die all the time. |
| 13:46.27 | augustl | health regen is really slow, it seems |
| 13:46.38 | augustl | ooc health regen |
| 13:47.41 | Lunessa | I didn't see that on my new characters in beta. |
| 13:48.15 | augustl | new since last patch? |
| 13:48.28 | nevcairiel | probably a bug, regen at low level is supposed to be high |
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| 13:48.33 | cbreak | what class? |
| 13:48.37 | augustl | warrior |
| 13:48.46 | cbreak | hmm |
| 13:49.02 | cbreak | I read that mana and health regen for mages was buffed because they removed food and water summons |
| 13:49.14 | cbreak | no idea about warrior |
| 13:49.16 | nevcairiel | wut? no water anymore? |
| 13:49.23 | cbreak | not at low levels |
| 13:49.26 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 13:49.43 | cbreak | it was "too complex for the idiots who play our games and level their 10th character" |
| 13:49.44 | Lunessa | They've been fiddling with mana regen and health regen to find a "sweet spot" but I've leveled several toons to 10-15 for fun, and they haven't died based on health regfen, they die 'cause I don't know how some things work. |
| 13:50.08 | augustl | it's still really slow for a new character |
| 13:50.14 | augustl | 1 hp every 3-4 seconds or so |
| 13:50.36 | cbreak | how much hp do you have? 100 or so? |
| 13:50.39 | augustl | 60 |
| 13:50.51 | cbreak | 2 or 3 mins for full... not too bad |
| 13:51.04 | augustl | let me try in live |
| 13:51.28 | Cide | um |
| 13:51.30 | augustl | I'm pretty sure I would regen almost all my health in between mobs |
| 13:51.43 | nevcairiel | live has it really high <lvl10 |
| 13:51.44 | Cide | they increased health regen a lot at low levels previously |
| 13:51.59 | nevcairiel | you dont even start with food/water anymore, iirc |
| 13:52.07 | Cide | welcome to 3 minutes ago |
| 13:52.19 | Cide | wow |
| 13:52.21 | augustl | idd, you don't get any food when starting |
| 13:52.24 | Cide | <cbreak> I read that mana and health regen for mages was buffed because they removed food and water summons |
| 13:52.24 | Cide | <cbreak> no idea about warrior |
| 13:52.24 | Cide | <nevcairiel> wut? no water anymore? |
| 13:52.24 | Cide | <cbreak> not at low levels |
| 13:52.24 | augustl | and no cash |
| 13:52.28 | Cide | oh nvm |
| 13:52.36 | augustl | so you're bound to die when killing 3-4 mobs |
| 13:52.37 | Cide | you weren't talking about mage food/water this time |
| 13:52.48 | augustl | unless you take a 2 minute break in between each mob |
| 13:53.01 | cbreak | bliz hates pures |
| 13:53.54 | augustl | on live, it's 15-ish HP every 2 seconds |
| 13:53.55 | augustl | hehe |
| 13:54.00 | augustl | quite different from 1 hp every 3-4 seconds |
| 13:54.17 | augustl | ima /bug it |
| 13:55.39 | cbreak | you are not stuck in combat? |
| 13:55.42 | Lunessa | Even old New York was once New Amsterdam... |
| 13:55.48 | augustl | cbreak: how can I test that? |
| 13:55.57 | augustl | in combat I would have zero regen though? |
| 13:56.04 | cbreak | if you can eat, you are out of combat |
| 13:56.16 | cbreak | for mana, there is in combat regen. don't know about health |
| 13:56.36 | augustl | not in combat, can drink |
| 13:56.45 | augustl | health doesn't regen in combat, I'm pretty sure |
| 13:58.19 | nevcairiel | it doesn't |
| 14:00.37 | augustl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26560867456&sid=2000 pew pew |
| 14:04.11 | augustl | Lunessa: at lvl 10, how much hp do you regen per tick when out of combat? |
| 14:05.08 | Lunessa | augustl: I I haven't paid attention to the numbers, just that I always seem to have enough health regen between pulls/fights. |
| 14:10.29 | augustl | this in the lastest patch? |
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| 14:15.13 | Lunessa | augustl: I haven't played since yesterday. |
| 14:15.17 | Lunessa | But I was fine then. |
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| 14:25.05 | augustl | 3-4 per second regen on level 13 |
| 14:27.53 | augustl | at 50% health I was killed by a level 4 mob :S |
| 14:28.05 | augustl | when I'm level 2 |
| 14:28.53 | augustl | it killed me on 100% too >< |
| 14:32.58 | cbreak | it was twice your level |
| 14:33.20 | augustl | that's one way of putting it =P |
| 14:33.29 | augustl | I'm sure a level 60 mob will kill a level 30 player too |
| 14:33.40 | augustl | 2 levels higher shouldn't be unbeatable though |
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| 14:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1760304&cid=33320136 |
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| 14:58.47 | Lunessa | SBO: ... what is this? I don't even... |
| 15:00.12 | Arrowmaster | well i got about half an hour of sleep till i got woken up by all the activity in the house |
| 15:03.11 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Ugh. |
| 15:04.38 | Arrowmaster | guy came to setup the oxygen concentrator thingy for my dad which got setup at the bottom of the stair case next to my room |
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| 15:17.45 | Lunessa | Your dad is on oxygen? Ugh. |
| 15:17.45 | cbreak | oxygen concentrator? Sounds dangerous |
| 15:18.09 | cbreak | (like a fire hazzard) |
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| 15:20.17 | Arrowmaster | hes got pneumonia |
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| 15:27.54 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I'm sorry to hear that. |
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| 15:41.40 | Cide | Shirik: ping |
| 15:47.43 | alestane | No block comments in Python? |
| 15:51.33 | Thunder_Child | Cide: moo |
| 15:51.46 | Arrowmaster | alestane: i think the python people abuse one of the string methods to do it |
| 15:52.00 | alestane | butchers Thunder_Child and salts him for the winter. |
| 15:52.49 | Arrowmaster | well its noon, i think ill go and try to get some sleep again |
| 15:53.07 | alestane | Or I suppose they could always do what the Lua people do and combine syntaxes... #""" block comment """ |
| 15:55.54 | Thunder_Child | alestane: eh? |
| 15:56.09 | Thunder_Child | i moo'd Cide, not you |
| 15:56.09 | alestane | Since you're apparently a cow. |
| 15:57.03 | Thunder_Child | there are eaiser ways of getting meat |
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| 15:58.40 | Adys | Arrowmaster: technically, string statements are not comments |
| 15:58.57 | Cide | Thunder_Child: hi |
| 15:59.07 | Cide | alestane: sadly, no |
| 15:59.07 | Adys | because they're still processed once by the vm after being parsed |
| 15:59.14 | alestane | How goes the Icelandic, sioraiocht? |
| 15:59.28 | Thunder_Child | Cide: that was on behalf of Shirik |
| 15:59.30 | sioraiocht | alestane: quite well |
| 15:59.35 | sioraiocht | my summer there was well spent =) |
| 15:59.46 | Adys | Arrowmaster: So usually block comments in python are lots of single-line comments |
| 15:59.56 | Cide | however |
| 15:59.58 | Adys | Arrowmaster: multiline strings are reserved for documentation comments |
| 16:00.07 | Cide | it's preferable to put block comment-style comments into the docstring |
| 16:00.14 | alestane | I'm somewhat envious...not necessarily of Icelandic specifically, but af being able to just spend a month surrounded by another language. |
| 16:00.18 | Cide | because those are usually relevant to the function as a whole |
| 16:00.23 | Cide | or module or class or what have you |
| 16:00.30 | sioraiocht | alestane: aye, I know tha this and next summer are probably the last |
| 16:00.40 | sioraiocht | gonna try and do somethig similar in Icelandic again, or in Swedish |
| 16:01.01 | Cide | so instead of def foo(): /* block comment here */ stuff() you do def foo(): """block docstring here""" stuff() |
| 16:01.34 | alestane | And I remember the "you're a guest, so we'll try and speak your language for you" syndrome fairly well...although in Japan, they were just as likely to panic at the dread of their old high school English classes. |
| 16:02.06 | Cide | and docstrings are officially awesome |
| 16:02.14 | sioraiocht | alestane: ahh, ou read the blog posts? =) |
| 16:02.14 | Adys | Yes |
| 16:02.16 | Adys | they are |
| 16:02.42 | alestane | I remember explaining my frozen neck to the hospital receptionist, who took me to a doctor's assistant who immediately looked right at her and asked "Shaberimasu ka?" (Does it talk?) |
| 16:02.51 | sioraiocht | hahahahahah |
| 16:02.55 | alestane | I read that one because jnwhiteh linked it on Facebook. |
| 16:03.40 | sioraiocht | ahhh, yes |
| 16:03.44 | alestane | Fortunately, I had just spent several minutes explaining my problem to the receptionist *in Japanese.* |
| 16:03.44 | sioraiocht | there's a part two to it as well, now |
| 16:04.39 | alestane | (It's worth mentioning that that sentence doesn't imply the impersonality of "it" as strongly as the English would. |
| 16:04.54 | sioraiocht | ah |
| 16:04.58 | sioraiocht | not so much a lack of animacy? |
| 16:05.12 | cbreak | japanese often leaves away irelevant information |
| 16:05.15 | alestane | There is no pronoun in the Japanese sentence, at all. |
| 16:05.24 | cbreak | it is obvious what is talked about, so usually just left away |
| 16:05.29 | alestane | Or other subject or object. |
| 16:05.43 | cbreak | there is a topic though :) |
| 16:05.46 | cbreak | sometimes. |
| 16:06.05 | alestane | In Japanese, a predicate is a complete sentence and subjects and objects are applied as modifiers to the predicate. |
| 16:17.03 | Adys | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1355 |
| 16:20.09 | Lunessa | * http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26262796727&sid=2000 *faceaplm* " and that would cause me to wonder if a few extra hours recoding a couple files for what should just be some launcher application, that it would be worth the time spent..." You sir are no programmer. |
| 16:20.53 | zenzelezz | well now... for the first time I'm witnessing live as gold sellers move around spelling things in the air and on the ground... literally |
| 16:21.10 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:22.59 | zenzelezz | think they're even spelling a thumbs up |
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| 16:33.21 | Wobin | Adys: oh god |
| 16:33.25 | Wobin | suffering that right -now- |
| 16:34.43 | Adys | yeah no kidding |
| 16:34.49 | Adys | me too |
| 16:34.55 | Adys | only difference its 6pm |
| 16:35.16 | Thunder_Child | it depnds on which is worse |
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| 16:39.26 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:39.41 | Thunder_Child | eats said trout |
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| 16:54.52 | Amarande | soo |
| 16:55.07 | Amarande | Will 4.0 have a PTR at all, or is all of its testing going to be through the beta only? |
| 16:55.31 | haste | beta only is my guess |
| 16:55.52 | Amarande | (did 3.0.2 have a PTR? I can't remember now) |
| 16:56.29 | Amarande | is mostly trying to find out just how badly frost DKs are going to suffer during the pre-Cata month or so |
| 16:56.49 | Amarande | in terms of Attack Power loss, basically |
| 16:57.17 | Amarande | I can already tell we're going to lose at least a couple hundred or so with most gearings, but I'm not sure just how much. |
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| 16:59.52 | alestane | Wrath and BC both had roughly month-long PTRs IIRC. |
| 17:00.21 | Amarande | ah. |
| 17:00.36 | Amarande | yeah, I'll get a chance to assess the suck then heh |
| 17:01.08 | Amarande | not that I'll be able to do anything about it since I have far too much Expertise and Hit for switching to 2H Unholy DPS to be a viable option *either* for the final month of Wrath heh |
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| 17:01.40 | Amarande | alestane: you in beta, btw? |
| 17:03.15 | Amarande | I'm wondering if we correctly surmised that the AP on 1H melee DPS weapons has been uniformly swapped over to equivalent (for agi classes anyway :S) Agility, and not Strength |
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| 17:05.32 | mikma | odd, background downloader doesn't seem to be updating in windows 7 |
| 17:05.47 | mikma | tells me 363 MB remaining (0.0 KB/s) |
| 17:05.57 | mikma | and when i restart it, the megabytes have gone down |
| 17:07.00 | spode | =( |
| 17:07.30 | mikma | well, the game started, so that's a plus |
| 17:18.48 | Amarande | mikma: you in beta? |
| 17:19.34 | alestane | I'm a terrible theorycrafter, Amarande. If Legorol is in the beta, he's great at questions like that. |
| 17:19.46 | mikma | amarande: ya |
| 17:20.05 | mikma | i think it was just windows updater preventing it from working correctly |
| 17:20.13 | mikma | at the moment it was done, it started to work |
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| 17:22.22 | Amarande | mikma: did the AP on melee one handers turn into base DPS or into agi? |
| 17:22.48 | mikma | can't remember =/ |
| 17:22.51 | mikma | lets see..... |
| 17:23.45 | mikma | oh yeah. need to wait until downloader turns yellow |
| 17:26.33 | Pneumatus | you'll probably want to delete Data/Cache as well as the old cache has been causing problems |
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| 17:29.13 | mikma | 65mb to go |
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| 17:40.32 | cbreak | I wonder why that iBooks thing is so popular, the only books you can read with it seem to be 100 year olds directly from project gutenberg... |
| 17:40.54 | Amarande | cbreak: "are legally allowed to read" you mean |
| 17:41.02 | Amarande | I rather suspect people pirate :P |
| 17:41.16 | Amarande | like c'mon, is there anything people *don't* pirate these days :| |
| 17:41.34 | cbreak | yeah, but if you want to read pirated books, readers like Stanza might be better |
| 17:43.07 | Dagmar | s/pirated/plaintext/ |
| 17:43.45 | Dagmar | ...and actually there's a crapload of really good books that are fully in the public domain. |
| 17:44.33 | cbreak | I don't complain about the quality |
| 17:44.35 | Dagmar | There are also a handful of authors and two publishing houses that are now fully unclenched and ship ebooks without any retarded DRM |
| 17:44.42 | cbreak | I have a full collectoin of sherlock holmes novels in that thing |
| 17:44.48 | cbreak | but the selection is rather sparse |
| 17:44.50 | mikma | that's kinda cool |
| 17:45.00 | mikma | my gnomes keep on crashing cata |
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| 17:45.19 | cbreak | mikma: because of the new gnomeregan load screen? |
| 17:45.43 | mikma | when i try to login with any of the gnomes, assplode |
| 17:45.48 | mikma | humans work just fine |
| 17:51.34 | kd3 | have you wiped the cache in the data folder yet? |
| 17:51.52 | mikma | nope, the game keeps on crashing :P |
| 17:55.31 | Kalroth | Fisker, Fisker, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3bNeWxy9-U#t=1m28s is this you |
| 17:55.38 | Amarande | mikma: gnomes suck anyways ;) |
| 17:56.10 | Amarande | Dagmar: also most PDFs you can get from the Lulu store lack DRM. |
| 17:56.18 | Fisker | no Kalroth |
| 17:56.28 | Fisker | i would not have mentioned old or bluray |
| 17:56.35 | Amarande | in fact, unless the author sets up a completely separate project to sell the PDF, or doesn't sell a print copy at all, they CAN'T use DRM. |
| 17:56.48 | ccox | OF course, the beta downloader is FUBAR on the macintosh |
| 17:57.01 | Dagmar | Well, Lulu also has some hehe intersting projects |
| 17:57.25 | Dagmar | ...like the dude Slashdot was busting on this week who clearly wanted his calculus book to look special |
| 17:57.40 | Dagmar | He scanned the whole thing, fed it to Lulu, and had them print him a new one with his artwork |
| 17:57.45 | Amarande | Dagmar: I think that's actually self-publishing outlets in general, too |
| 17:57.47 | Fisker | also Kalroth |
| 17:57.59 | Fisker | how nice of you to think i have had a girlfriend |
| 17:58.01 | Amarande | because if they've got the same project selling both print and PDF versions |
| 17:58.10 | Amarande | that PDF, also has to be the source for the print version |
| 17:58.14 | Kalroth | Fisker: I give some, I take some |
| 17:58.16 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah but Lulu's a bit like Cafe Press in that it's _generally_ easy to get anything printed |
| 17:58.16 | ccox | (yeah, bots don't have girldfriends) |
| 17:58.24 | Amarande | and POD printers choke and sputter if you hand them a DRM'd PDF. ;) |
| 17:58.26 | Dagmar | Unless, of course, you're doing something with goatse. |
| 17:58.33 | Amarande | "Cannot RIP, sorry!" |
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| 17:58.52 | Amarande | The one thing that I keep wondering about such though is |
| 17:59.00 | Dagmar | That hair is normal. |
| 17:59.02 | cbreak | ccox: it works here. |
| 17:59.02 | Amarande | if you buy fonts, and embed them in your book, are you required by the font license to DRM the PDF? |
| 17:59.17 | Amarande | or is it up to those who obtain your PDF to not illegally use the embedded fonts :) |
| 17:59.20 | Dagmar | Amarande: As far as I know there's no reason to expect that |
| 17:59.33 | Dagmar | They can't get the font out of the PDF without some considerable hassle |
| 17:59.36 | ccox | cbreak - I'm gettgin a crash when it gets to the downloading update screen, very repeatable, Intel and PPC, 10.5.8 and 10.6.4 |
| 17:59.46 | cbreak | hmm. |
| 17:59.50 | Kalroth | That depends on the license really, some font licenses are reeeeally hard on electronic distribution |
| 17:59.54 | cbreak | is that in the red or orange area? |
| 17:59.58 | Dagmar | In short, there are (much) easier ways to pirate fonts |
| 18:00.04 | cbreak | I got to green without problems a few days ago |
| 18:00.28 | ccox | cbreak - I had a fully green download |
| 18:00.39 | cbreak | oh, new patch |
| 18:00.40 | ccox | this is when the client tries to update, and I never get to the stand alone downloader |
| 18:01.01 | Dagmar | Downloader needs to have a special level for 100% complete that is double rainbow |
| 18:01.37 | ccox | deleting caches - no effect |
| 18:01.43 | Amarande | Kalroth: there appear to be two levels of licensing for pdf embedding |
| 18:01.46 | cbreak | 3.6 gb remaining |
| 18:01.47 | Amarande | "editable" and "print/preview" |
| 18:01.47 | cbreak | in red |
| 18:01.52 | cbreak | let's see and wait |
| 18:01.55 | zenzelezz | jesus, what's the deal with the double rainbow? It's not that cool |
| 18:02.08 | Amarande | of course most are "print/preview" and I'm wondering whether that means PDF authors are to take steps to make sure their PDF cannot be edited if they embed those |
| 18:02.13 | Amarande | which means using the DRM features, I presume :P |
| 18:02.16 | cbreak | ok, I am in yellow now. no problem still. |
| 18:02.33 | Fisker | anyway Kalroth |
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| 18:02.35 | Fisker | i gotta shit |
| 18:02.41 | Kalroth | pop one for me |
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| 18:03.40 | cbreak | hmm... the downloader is slow :( |
| 18:03.48 | cbreak | only 0.6 mb/s |
| 18:03.48 | Fisker | cbreak |
| 18:03.50 | Fisker | i also gotta shit |
| 18:03.55 | cbreak | fascinating. |
| 18:04.07 | cbreak | just use the outhouse for it's intended purpose |
| 18:04.10 | ccox | ok, looking at their crash logs, I can see their problems -- the downloader has a memory smash, that triggers an exception |
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| 18:04.36 | ccox | then the exception handler tries to allocate memory, and the heap data structure is corrupt, which causes an assert from calloc |
| 18:05.03 | ccox | hmm, not calloc - just a bad symbol |
| 18:05.05 | Fisker | i'm about to blow up |
| 18:05.46 | ccox | yep, smash, and exception recovery fails, takes down the game client |
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| 18:06.10 | ccox | too bad it's not from an external file, I could probably exploit the smash |
| 18:06.36 | zenzelezz | memory smash? |
| 18:06.43 | Dagmar | I was wondering the same |
| 18:06.57 | cbreak | probably a slang for buffer overrun or stack overrun |
| 18:07.11 | Dagmar | Well, hacker slang is generally somewhat specific |
| 18:07.15 | ccox | generic term for overwritten memory, when you don't know the details |
| 18:07.19 | Dagmar | It only *sounds* sloppy |
| 18:07.27 | ccox | and I haven't debugged the code to find the details yet |
| 18:07.51 | cbreak | if you had, blizzard would sue you for ... ONE MILLION DOLLAR |
| 18:07.56 | Dagmar | Why would you need to exploit a local process on your workstation running with your privs, reading a local file? |
| 18:08.09 | cbreak | to kill off warden? :) |
| 18:08.15 | cbreak | or give yourself unlimited mana? |
| 18:08.19 | Dagmar | You could do that anyway |
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| 18:08.32 | ccox | if it took an external file, I could send you the file |-> |
| 18:08.50 | ccox | yeah, no fun in hacking a local copy - it's too easy |
| 18:09.13 | Fisker | http://img832.imageshack.us/f/awesomeb.jpg/ <-my lold face |
| 18:09.34 | Dagmar | Oh shit |
| 18:09.42 | Dagmar | Old Spice Man in wow |
| 18:09.45 | Dagmar | Awesome. |
| 18:09.46 | cbreak | ccox: when does that happen? |
| 18:09.52 | Thunder_Child | http://xmages.net/storage/10/1/0/e/9/upload/9b7de4f9.jpg this seems rather shady |
| 18:09.57 | cbreak | I am in green again, and no crash yet |
| 18:10.24 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Nah it's tewtelly legit an stuff hehe |
| 18:11.08 | ccox | cbreak - again, I never get to the download status stuff, it's in the game client BEFORE that point |
| 18:11.28 | cbreak | I don't start the game client |
| 18:11.30 | cbreak | I start the launcher |
| 18:11.45 | ccox | when you launch the game client, log in, it says "downloading update 0%", then kaboom |
| 18:11.49 | Fisker | i love servise pack 3 Thunder_Child |
| 18:12.27 | ccox | using the launcher - no crash, just starts donwloading |
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| 18:14.38 | cbreak | ccox: no crash when logging in. it only crashed when I tried to make a female worgen |
| 18:14.50 | ccox | ok |
| 18:15.04 | ccox | well, I've sent in crash reports with details - hopfully they find the bug(s) |
| 18:15.17 | Amarande | what is with the female worgen thing anyway |
| 18:15.22 | Amarande | first everyone's like "PIX NOW" |
| 18:15.27 | Amarande | and now specifically female worgen crash the beta apparently ;) |
| 18:15.44 | cbreak | I wonder why the stack has 15 instances of round in it |
| 18:15.50 | Cide | they're game crashingly hot |
| 18:16.08 | Cide | cbreak: it's trying very hard to approximate a circle |
| 18:16.09 | Thunder_Child | how big is the newest patch? i have 1.1 gb to go but i havent logged on in a while |
| 18:16.13 | cbreak | maybe those female worgens have too much round for the game to cope with |
| 18:16.27 | Cide | round(round(round(round(round(round(...(round(square))...) |
| 18:16.28 | cbreak | I have 3.3 gb left atm |
| 18:16.31 | Dagmar | Wait _round_? As in the freaking rounding function that turns floating point numbers into ints? |
| 18:16.37 | Amarande | cbreak: c'mon, they can't have bigger hips than female draenei :) |
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| 18:16.51 | cbreak | Dagmar: no, the one that turns floats into rounded floats |
| 18:17.05 | Dagmar | Right I shouldda said integers |
| 18:17.14 | Dagmar | Just the same, weeeird |
| 18:17.22 | cbreak | round(unreal const&). Don't ask me what an unreal is :) |
| 18:17.27 | Dagmar | Somewhere in there has to be a bonehead error |
| 18:17.33 | kd3 | sqrt(-1)? |
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| 18:17.49 | cbreak | I think the stack trace is corrupted. |
| 18:17.54 | Dagmar | The commentary I saw about seeking to before the start of files made my eyebrows go way up |
| 18:17.56 | cbreak | no way round is recursive |
| 18:17.56 | Amarande | lua> sqrt(-1) |
| 18:18.13 | cbreak | Amarande: NaN |
| 18:18.20 | Cide | boring answer |
| 18:18.25 | Dagmar | Like, how high do you have to be to manage to pass a signed number to seek() |
| 18:18.33 | Cide | complex numbers are just as numbery as real numbers. |
| 18:18.43 | kd3 | greater than 2^32-1? |
| 18:19.08 | Cide | lua doesn't report NaN for n>2^32-1 |
| 18:19.14 | cbreak | Dagmar: seeking backwards? |
| 18:19.17 | ccox | cbreak - it's not corrupt, it doesn't have real symbols because the binary was stripped and it's finding the few symbols left |
| 18:19.26 | Amarande | Cide: yeah, but most languages don't have data types or math routines set up for them |
| 18:19.38 | Cide | I'm aware |
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| 18:20.24 | Dagmar | cbreak: Do you know how often you actually generally need to seek using a negative offset? |
| 18:20.33 | Dagmar | I've actually _never_ had to do it |
| 18:20.38 | cbreak | no idea. I have not seeked yet |
| 18:20.51 | Dagmar | Well, you'd seek() when you want to jump right to the middle of a file |
| 18:20.57 | ccox | Dagmar: that depends on the file format you're working with |
| 18:21.12 | Dagmar | ccox: I am not some dewy eyed newb thanks |
| 18:21.16 | ccox | Dagmar: for file formats that have offsets and lengths in the header, you have to seek back and update the header |
| 18:21.24 | cbreak | why would blizz strip a debug build? |
| 18:21.52 | cbreak | zip files have the header at the end |
| 18:21.54 | Cide | could be part of their automatic build process |
| 18:21.56 | ccox | cbreak: for the same reason many companies do: to reduce hacking/reverse engineering |
| 18:21.59 | Dagmar | ccox: That's still generally not going to involve a negative seek from SEEK_CUR |
| 18:22.16 | cbreak | zou seek to the end, read backwards until you find where the header starts, read it, then parse the whole thing from the start with the infos you found in the header |
| 18:22.29 | ccox | Dagmar: true, most involve absolute seeks, but some still have a negative offset from current |
| 18:22.46 | Lunessa | f'ing comcasr |
| 18:22.47 | Amarande | ccox: lemme guess, I would make a terrible software producer business-wise |
| 18:22.49 | Dagmar | Managing to seek before the start of the file kinda says someone is doin' it rong |
| 18:22.56 | Amarande | because I tend to *not* do things like strip stuff like that. |
| 18:23.04 | ccox | IIRC, PDF has a nasty "TOC at the end" style |
| 18:23.20 | Fisker | i ate food kd3 |
| 18:23.25 | Fisker | it was pretty awesome |
| 18:23.26 | cbreak | avi files have their index at the end |
| 18:23.35 | ccox | Amarande: most people without experience would make bad commerical software (look at MS Office :-) |
| 18:23.35 | Dagmar | Yeah but you can hop skip and jump your way to that, You don't have to go reading the file in reverse from the very end untl you find it |
| 18:23.40 | kd3 | great, fisk-fisk. go spend some more time on the porcelain throne |
| 18:23.41 | cbreak | the index you need to be able to seek within the steream |
| 18:24.01 | cbreak | Dagmar: at least for zip you have to I think |
| 18:24.08 | Dagmar | Not there either |
| 18:24.20 | Amarande | ccox: mostly thinking I'm too open about discussing design features and not keeping design stuff a secret, though |
| 18:24.27 | ccox | cbreak: yes, I don't know of many formats where you have to read backwards (and the last one I remember was an Amiga 3D format) |
| 18:24.32 | Dagmar | tar makes you guess, zip doesnt |
| 18:24.40 | Amarande | ccox: hebrew? arabic? manga? :) |
| 18:24.53 | ccox | Amarande: yeah, commerical software is a balance of open and secret |
| 18:25.18 | ccox | Amarande: there are things you want to share (even code and algorithms) and some things you don't |
| 18:26.32 | cbreak | ccox: just logged in to my normal char |
| 18:26.40 | cbreak | worked fine for a few seconds, then it crashed |
| 18:26.40 | Dagmar | omghax |
| 18:27.05 | cbreak | haha, fun |
| 18:27.14 | cbreak | the first time I saw an "Assertion Failed!" in a blizz crash |
| 18:27.53 | Dagmar | I wonder who their most recent hire from Microsoft was |
| 18:28.25 | Amarande | ccox: although there's also yeah the fact that even if I started a business to better create a product |
| 18:28.37 | Amarande | I'd probably still always be first focused on the product being what I wanted it to be rather than whether it actually made money :P |
| 18:29.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: Never sell your controlling interest then |
| 18:29.15 | cbreak | great. this time it crashed before the login screen was even shown |
| 18:29.27 | Dagmar | I'm still a little suprised no one at Vivendi ever tried to "clean house" on Blizzard just on general principle |
| 18:29.59 | cbreak | to remove the last bit of creativity? |
| 18:30.02 | Dagmar | At a lot of places, putting quality above "stakeholder interest" is tantamount to being caught fucking little boys |
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| 18:31.21 | Amarande | and always ensure you keep 51% for yourself, no matter how much you trust any cofounders you might have. :) |
| 18:32.35 | cbreak | I'll just wait until the remaining 2.9gb are downloaded... |
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| 18:35.08 | cbreak | funny. |
| 18:35.17 | cbreak | the downloader says: 2.8gb remaining |
| 18:35.22 | cbreak | downloading at 750kb/s |
| 18:35.27 | cbreak | 2 mins remaining |
| 18:37.01 | Cide | that totally makes sense. |
| 18:37.43 | Cide | if 2.8 gb == 88 mb |
| 18:39.54 | zenzelezz | damnit, I need three level 80s (one warlock) with some spare time on EU-Silvermoon :-( |
| 18:39.54 | Amarande | ok that is a tier 10 geared night elf warrior tank |
| 18:40.05 | Amarande | I was considering provoking pvp on a whim, but ... no just no. ;) |
| 18:40.29 | Cide | why do you research before going in? |
| 18:40.35 | Cide | that makes it so much more boring |
| 18:41.07 | Amarande | Cide: because dying out in the boondocks of EPL is a very annoying corpse walk back? |
| 18:41.37 | Cide | boring |
| 18:42.37 | Dagmar | Amarande: Is he wearin' premades? |
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| 18:56.50 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:56.54 | Cide | ty |
| 18:58.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: this is live, not beta |
| 19:01.32 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 19:08.31 | Fisker | gentlemen |
| 19:09.49 | Amarande | all our base are belong to you? |
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| 19:39.40 | Cide | Shirik: ping |
| 19:41.17 | Cide | neat |
| 19:41.23 | Cide | a phishing email that got past my junk filter |
| 19:41.25 | Cide | that's a first |
| 19:43.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: why so bad |
| 19:43.21 | Cide | umad? |
| 19:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | nah |
| 19:43.38 | Cide | usure? |
| 19:43.45 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 19:44.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I played alien swarm a bit ago with one RL friend and two of his |
| 19:44.22 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:44.29 | ScytheBlade1 | We couldn't finish the campaign on normal |
| 19:44.36 | Cide | haha what? |
| 19:44.43 | Cide | I played through about 80% of it on hard with 2-3 players |
| 19:44.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Three of us knew what we were doing |
| 19:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | The third threw his shotgun in our faces more than the aliens |
| 19:44.59 | Cide | haven't played past that |
| 19:45.07 | Cide | the fourth you mean |
| 19:45.10 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, sorry |
| 19:45.17 | Cide | the fourth <=> shirik? |
| 19:45.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sure that is what would have happened if he was with us |
| 19:45.44 | Cide | oh |
| 19:45.50 | Cide | you played with his friends but not him |
| 19:46.01 | ScytheBlade1 | no, with my own friends |
| 19:46.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just blaming Shirik |
| 19:46.04 | Cide | you confuse me |
| 19:46.10 | ScytheBlade1 | that's all that really matters |
| 19:46.12 | Cide | <ScytheBlade1> Shirik: why so bad <ScytheBlade1> I played alien swarm a bit ago with one RL friend and two of hi |
| 19:46.16 | Cide | his |
| 19:46.30 | Cide | but ok, I get it now |
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| 19:51.08 | cbreak | yay |
| 19:51.32 | cbreak | someone proxy rushed me and whined when all he had left was three gateways and a pylon, and amillion of zealots |
| 19:51.43 | cbreak | and I had a flying command cneter and a bunch of scvs and a barracks |
| 19:51.56 | cbreak | and he had no time to win :) |
| 19:53.08 | Amarande | "I threw away my queen ... so you suck!" |
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| 19:56.06 | Amarande | Heh. No wonder they call MI6 the SIS, but they call MI5 "MI5" still. :) |
| 19:56.20 | Amarande | Apparently, calling MI5 by its function like the British government does MI6, *might not be a good idea* heh |
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| 19:58.15 | cbreak | what's it's function? |
| 19:58.47 | Amarande | cbreak: MI5 is the "Security Service." |
| 19:58.54 | Amarande | You probably don't want to abbreviate that in the free world. ;) |
| 19:59.43 | cbreak | UKSS? |
| 20:00.07 | Lunessa | Make a little S.S. in your soul? |
| 20:00.15 | Dagmar | No need to worry. |
| 20:00.17 | cbreak | there are only 26^2 2 letter acronyms |
| 20:00.25 | Dagmar | That the US now hosts the KGB kinda eclipses that |
| 20:00.43 | zenzelezz | well, the KGB is now the FSB |
| 20:01.30 | Dagmar | I'm not joking. What do you think " ....... ............... ............." (fuck it won't paste) translates to? |
| 20:01.50 | Dagmar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB <-- same meaning as "Department of Homeland Security" |
| 20:04.46 | Fisker | zenzelezz is awesome |
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| 20:20.45 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: S.S != birdhouse, which is the only thing that should be in your soul |
| 20:21.06 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: What if I am a Mesopotamian? |
| 20:21.37 | Thunder_Child | you mean argonought? |
| 20:21.53 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAMRTGv82Zo |
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| 20:36.20 | alestane | So, Python question (I've been searching through the docs for an actual definition of the syntax governing docstrings, haven't found it yet)...can you include a string literal at the beginning of a file, so that it becomes the docstring for the file's module? |
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| 20:41.11 | Cide | yes, alestane |
| 20:41.32 | Cide | for example |
| 20:41.34 | Cide | import math |
| 20:41.40 | Cide | print(math.__doc__) |
| 20:43.07 | alestane | I did find that, for instance, sys.__doc__ existed, but I wasn't clear on whether that technique applies to modules created from Python chunks or if it's necessary to write things like __doc__ = """my module documentation""". |
| 20:43.08 | Dashkal | Esamynn|Away: *ping* |
| 20:43.33 | Cide | nah, you can just begin the module with a string |
| 20:43.44 | Cide | the syntax is pretty specific |
| 20:43.57 | alestane | Is the automatic conversion of literals into docstrings clearly documented somewhere? |
| 20:44.04 | Cide | I believe so |
| 20:44.14 | alestane | I've found references to it, but not straightforward explanation. |
| 20:45.08 | alestane | I don't know where you'd want to use it besides right after a def or class statement or at the start of a file. |
| 20:45.11 | Cide | oh, I guess you can use string literals as block comments btw |
| 20:45.20 | Cide | "String literals occurring elsewhere in Python code may also act as documentation. They are not recognized by the Python bytecode compiler and are not accessible as runtime object attributes (i.e. not assigned to __doc__)" |
| 20:45.30 | alestane | So, just put a string in the middle of your code? |
| 20:45.52 | nevcairiel | block string at the beginning of a file or a function are put into __doc__ |
| 20:46.20 | Fisker | i will stop you |
| 20:47.13 | Cide | alestane: if you must |
| 20:47.18 | Cide | I've never seen it done fwiw |
| 20:47.23 | Cide | but it's apparently doable |
| 20:48.24 | alestane | It sounds like awkward style, yes. |
| 20:48.42 | alestane | And I don't think I'd ever do it with any strings but """strings""". |
| 20:49.08 | Cide | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0257/ |
| 20:49.14 | Cide | best reference I've found so far |
| 20:49.15 | Lunessa | Haha... I have this comic on my door - http://xkcd.com/773/ - and the director of Web Services just ranted about it. About how he wants to make the site on the right, but gets overruled and ends up making the site on the left. |
| 20:49.30 | Cide | and also http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0258/#docstring-extraction-rules |
| 20:52.04 | Cide | also module docstrings don't have to be the very first line |
| 20:52.24 | Cide | you can have shebang and encoding declaration before it |
| 20:53.08 | alestane | "shebang" == "#!"? |
| 20:53.24 | Cide | #!/usr/bin/env python |
| 20:53.26 | Cide | for instance |
| 20:53.29 | Cide | so yes |
| 20:53.31 | alestane | Blank lines are ignored by the compiler, yes? |
| 20:53.39 | Cide | not sure |
| 20:53.46 | Cide | but I believe so yes |
| 20:53.48 | alestane | So the docstring just has to come before anything substantive. |
| 20:53.54 | Cide | aye |
| 20:54.21 | alestane | I read something that said it doesn't generate anything (even NEWLINES) for a line that contains only whitespace. |
| 20:55.19 | Cide | I haven't really researched the intricacies of the compiler |
| 20:55.31 | Cide | that's interesting if so |
| 20:55.39 | Cide | but makes sense |
| 20:58.21 | alestane | 2.1.7. Blank lines |
| 20:58.21 | alestane | A logical line that contains only spaces, tabs, formfeeds and possibly a comment, is ignored (i.e., no NEWLINE token is generated). During interactive input of statements, handling of a blank line may differ depending on the implementation of the read-eval-print loop. In the standard implementation, an entirely blank logical line (i.e. one containing not even whitespace or a comment) terminates a multi-line statement. |
| 20:59.04 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:00.16 | alestane | Saves the compiler the hassle of dealing with indentation changes across blank lines, for instances. |
| 21:01.21 | cbreak | what language cares about newlines anyway? |
| 21:02.32 | alestane | I know, for instance, I tend to strip whitespace from blank lines included for readability before commits. It's easier for the compiler to ignore them completely than to try and match before and after. |
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| 21:09.42 | Cide | cbreak: python? |
| 21:10.00 | cbreak | oh, right... that anoying language... |
| 21:10.05 | Cide | annoying* |
| 21:10.11 | Cide | and python is a great language. |
| 21:10.17 | cbreak | put in as many n as you want |
| 21:11.04 | Fisker | heyh Cide |
| 21:11.11 | Cide | hi |
| 21:11.25 | Fisker | don't you hi me |
| 21:11.53 | Cide | hmm |
| 21:12.08 | Cide | anyone experienced with semi-simplistic search indexing? |
| 21:12.42 | cbreak | i've seen it occasionally |
| 21:12.54 | cbreak | in a very crude form |
| 21:13.10 | krka | Cide: except for scoping rules and generators, i agree :) |
| 21:13.17 | Cide | lol |
| 21:13.21 | cbreak | more or less a table of words or word-fragments with pointers on where it appeared |
| 21:13.23 | krka | i like the tuples |
| 21:13.35 | Cide | tuples are nice |
| 21:13.45 | cbreak | lua has tables. tables are probably more powerful. |
| 21:13.54 | Cide | python has lists and dicts |
| 21:14.25 | cbreak | there was that distributed web search engine |
| 21:14.32 | cbreak | open source |
| 21:14.35 | krka | spaceships are more powerful than cars |
| 21:14.38 | cbreak | I have never found anything with it |
| 21:14.41 | krka | cars may still be useful at times |
| 21:14.56 | Cide | yeah, tuples are as powerless as they come |
| 21:15.05 | cbreak | goes to work with something that's probably a hundred times more powerful than a car. |
| 21:15.08 | Cide | immutable, ordered set of values |
| 21:15.21 | Cide | with no methods on top besides slicing and indexing |
| 21:15.21 | krka | tuples would be really nice in lua for indexing tables for instance |
| 21:15.36 | Cide | I'm mostly concerned about if it's feasible to implement a word index on an sql database |
| 21:15.43 | cbreak | you can index lua tables with anything besides nil :) |
| 21:16.01 | cbreak | you mean you want the index to be into the sql database? |
| 21:16.07 | krka | but it's usually only useful with immutable value objects |
| 21:16.07 | cbreak | aren't databases already indexed? |
| 21:16.19 | Cide | no, I want to implement a search index with an sql database |
| 21:16.25 | Cide | it's doable but less direct than I'd like |
| 21:16.34 | krka | t[{x, y}] is fairly pointless in lua if you want to do a two dimensional array |
| 21:16.42 | Cide | proper design would require the split of words => documents into two separate tables |
| 21:16.49 | krka | t[(x, y)] as a tuple would work nicely |
| 21:17.05 | Cide | and python even allows the syntax t[x, y]! |
| 21:17.39 | cbreak | Cide: I don't think they index actual words |
| 21:17.45 | cbreak | more like sylables |
| 21:17.58 | Cide | well my use case isn't a google-like search engine |
| 21:17.59 | krka | lua is that smart poor kid in school, and python is the semi-intelligent rich kid |
| 21:18.09 | Cide | I don't like that comparison |
| 21:18.14 | Cide | how is python less smart than lua? |
| 21:18.16 | cbreak | and if you would want to search for words, you would have to preprocess them |
| 21:18.37 | cbreak | so for example, examples, are the same |
| 21:18.42 | krka | less sophisticated language design, but with a richer syntax / library |
| 21:18.51 | Cide | you could easily combine a list and a dict into effectively a lua table in minutes |
| 21:19.11 | Cide | cbreak: yeah, but that's fine |
| 21:19.23 | krka | sure, i have nothing against the data structures in python |
| 21:19.37 | krka | lua has better scoping and coroutines |
| 21:19.38 | Cide | the "these pages contain the word example[s]" design is not ideally expressed in sql though |
| 21:19.46 | krka | python 3.0 got better scoping with nonlocal though |
| 21:19.48 | Cide | not sure I agree about the coroutines |
| 21:19.54 | Cide | why are they better? |
| 21:20.00 | cbreak | you'd have to make one table mapping words to IDs |
| 21:20.07 | krka | also, there's the GIL |
| 21:20.12 | cbreak | one mapping IDs to document IDs they appear in |
| 21:20.20 | krka | does python even have coroutines yet? |
| 21:20.22 | cbreak | and one mapping document IDs to document file IDs |
| 21:20.33 | cbreak | maybe an alias record, an URI, something like that |
| 21:21.03 | Cide | krka: not really familiar with lua coroutines |
| 21:21.12 | cbreak | coroutines are great |
| 21:21.17 | cbreak | extremely powerful |
| 21:21.21 | krka | ah i see |
| 21:21.29 | Cide | do they execute in parallel or is it just a separate environment? |
| 21:21.38 | Cide | never dealt with them much when I did lua |
| 21:21.40 | krka | you could read this: http://krkadev.blogspot.com/2010/08/python-annoyances-generators.html |
| 21:21.42 | cbreak | it's like their own stack |
| 21:21.44 | krka | never in parellel |
| 21:21.54 | krka | same environment |
| 21:22.03 | krka | yeah, own stack |
| 21:22.21 | Cide | ah, so generators |
| 21:22.26 | krka | python has generators, which is like stackless coroutines |
| 21:22.30 | cbreak | lua also has anonymous functions as values, with upvalues |
| 21:22.36 | Cide | stackless? |
| 21:22.45 | krka | cbreak: so does python though |
| 21:22.45 | Cide | they maintain their stack between invocations |
| 21:22.45 | cbreak | a routine without a stack is fairly useless |
| 21:22.59 | cbreak | you can't even call other things |
| 21:23.11 | Cide | that's not true of generators |
| 21:23.28 | Cide | yeah, I dislike the way you define generators also but /shrug, it's not a huge mess |
| 21:23.32 | krka | you can _call_ other things, but not yield inside other things |
| 21:23.37 | krka | it's a shared stack |
| 21:24.06 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:24.07 | cbreak | so if one method modifies it's stack, the others get the modifications? |
| 21:24.19 | cbreak | side effects galore. |
| 21:24.19 | krka | er not really |
| 21:24.29 | cbreak | so each has it's own stack? |
| 21:24.34 | cbreak | or maybe it's read only |
| 21:25.02 | cbreak | in lua, each method's upvalue is unique to that method |
| 21:25.11 | cbreak | even not shared with other instances of the same method |
| 21:25.21 | cbreak | same with the stack in coroutines |
| 21:25.25 | krka | unless you want to share upvalues |
| 21:25.31 | cbreak | yes... |
| 21:25.51 | Cide | anyway |
| 21:26.08 | Cide | I don't think the target use case of generators is the same as that of lua coroutines |
| 21:26.16 | Cide | generators are more targeted towards simplified iteration |
| 21:26.18 | Cide | afai |
| 21:26.19 | Cide | k |
| 21:26.42 | cbreak | I've watched an anime named "Generator Gawl" once. |
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| 21:26.51 | cbreak | not bad... but depressing ending. |
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| 21:27.21 | cbreak | who'd be stupid enough to buy a character right before an expansion makes all the gear worthless? |
| 21:27.43 | cbreak | spammers these days get dumber by the minute. |
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| 21:39.02 | Cairenn | for anyone that may not have noticed it yet and missed my announcement last night - more keys assigned |
| 21:40.33 | Amarande | hmm, didIgetonedidIgetonedidIgetone ... *checks* |
| 21:41.21 | Amarande | awwww, no luck |
| 21:41.31 | Cairenn | sorry Amarande =/ |
| 21:41.41 | Amarande | how goes your day, btw? :) |
| 21:41.47 | Cairenn | not bad, you? |
| 21:41.55 | Amarande | pretty good |
| 21:42.00 | Cairenn | good :) |
| 21:42.03 | Amarande | my barbeque was rather fail though lol |
| 21:42.16 | Amarande | couple pieces of steak dropped on the ground and had to be warned about before serving |
| 21:42.22 | Cairenn | awww |
| 21:42.26 | Amarande | and things kinda got burnt when beef fat dripped into the coals and caused a flare up |
| 21:42.39 | Amarande | I think I got the perfect seasoning ratio though |
| 21:42.55 | Cairenn | just enough dirt, huh? |
| 21:43.25 | mikma | gotta hate realtek hd audio drivers |
| 21:43.34 | mikma | they have completely fooked up it |
| 21:46.01 | Amarande | Cairenn: LOL |
| 21:46.05 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 21:46.08 | Amarande | I cleaned off the pieces that fell |
| 21:46.39 | Amarande | decided they were likely to be safe, since they had pretty much JUST come off the roaring flame pit |
| 21:46.47 | Cairenn | I (used to) camp a lot - it isn't a proper cook out unless there's just the righ amount of dirt on/in your food ;) |
| 21:46.51 | Amarande | lol |
| 21:46.55 | Cairenn | right* |
| 21:47.01 | Amarande | yeah, it's rare for food to be poisoned by dropping it and picking it up quickly |
| 21:49.00 | Lunessa | http://alienlovespredator.com/2004/10/18/does-a-tattoo-hurt/ |
| 21:49.18 | mikma | only if you aren't immune to pain |
| 21:49.49 | Amarande | Lunessa: it's not about whether or not you feel pain it's about whether or not you enjoy it |
| 21:50.10 | Lunessa | Amarande: I have multiple tattoos. |
| 21:50.36 | Cairenn | It's also a question about whether you enjoy pain, or enjoy PAIN |
| 21:50.36 | Amarande | Thankfully, I enjoy most strong sensations, as I'll probably get a lot of pain when I have my Cereus marque done |
| 21:51.41 | Cairenn | What are you getting? |
| 21:52.25 | Cairenn | Have it drawn out yet? |
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| 21:56.51 | Amarande | Not sure exactly yet how I want it |
| 21:57.17 | Amarande | I'm probably also going to be getting needles a lot for the rest of my life after that heh |
| 21:57.18 | Dagmar | I'm still waiting to see if a particulalrly infernal device makes it here to the states |
| 21:57.24 | Amarande | since, true to form for 'all loveliness fades' |
| 21:57.26 | Fisker | just bet on duke Cairenn |
| 21:57.39 | Amarande | Cereus marques have a ton of white, and white doesn't keep very well without having to be redone regularly |
| 21:57.48 | Cairenn | nod |
| 21:57.54 | Amarande | Dagmar: what device is that? |
| 21:58.00 | Dagmar | After William Gibson wrote about it, apparently someone went and _made_ a tattoo machine that works like a crossbreed between an inkjet printer, a dot-matrix printer, and an iron maiden |
| 21:58.15 | Cairenn | oww! |
| 21:58.24 | Dagmar | The japanese are a little hardcore about that |
| 21:58.40 | Cairenn | unh, yeah, obviously |
| 21:58.41 | Cairenn | ouch |
| 22:00.04 | Dagmar | ...and call me old-fashioned if you like, but i'm none too keen on slaving tattoos |
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| 22:40.14 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:40.42 | Fisker | you wound me cogwheel |
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| 22:45.05 | Cide | krka: haha, I didn't realize you linked your own blog when you linked the article about generators vs coroutines |
| 22:45.07 | Cide | how convenient! |
| 22:46.38 | zenzelezz | clearly by accident |
| 22:47.27 | Cide | krka: ping |
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| 22:49.48 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:49.53 | Cide | hi Fisker |
| 22:50.08 | Fisker | don't hey me bro |
| 22:51.32 | Cide | I hi'd you |
| 22:51.46 | zenzelezz | you should hide him instead |
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| 22:58.43 | Amarande | heh this is hilarious and ridiculous |
| 22:58.52 | Amarande | I decided to play with the spirit towers on my way to auchindoun to work on outland dungeonmaster on the dk |
| 22:59.05 | Amarande | and now me and this alliance guy keep trading towers back and forth and no one will EVER get all five |
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| 22:59.12 | Amarande | well |
| 22:59.14 | Amarande | I could |
| 22:59.17 | Amarande | but he's 64 and I'm 80 |
| 22:59.25 | Amarande | that would feel like kicking a kitten :( |
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| 23:10.18 | durcyn | kicking kittens can be very satisfying. |
| 23:14.18 | Esamynn | Dashkal: pong |
| 23:15.10 | Cide | Esamynn: ping |
| 23:15.16 | Esamynn | Cide: pong |
| 23:15.22 | Amarande | heh, I had to jet eventually |
| 23:15.30 | Amarande | got beat by a rogue in crappy gear, too :( |
| 23:15.41 | Amarande | he got down to 8850/21444 and then stopped taking dmg |
| 23:15.53 | Amarande | not sure how you counter rogues when they pop cos/evasion |
| 23:15.57 | Amarande | maybe if I had tank gear :S |
| 23:17.07 | Amarande | even if I could |
| 23:17.15 | Amarande | a kingslayer rogue from the top alliance guild on the server just showed |
| 23:17.24 | Amarande | he probably has ilvl 277+ ... don't think I want to mess with that shiz :) |
| 23:20.48 | Amarande | is it just me |
| 23:20.54 | Amarande | or is horde pve in massive decline in general lately? |
| 23:21.22 | Amarande | used to be there were some really big hotspots of horde pve, like fusion on turalyon |
| 23:21.30 | Amarande | but then their GM retired and now it seems the top ally guild is the big thing now |
| 23:25.51 | dagmar | Amarande: Acually it's just over-simplified views of the game have declined, since school is back in and all and the shortbus kids no longer have time to post |
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| 23:29.44 | Amarande | actually I'm mainly thinking of my server in general |
| 23:29.51 | Amarande | used to be the top Horde guild DOMINATED |
| 23:30.00 | Amarande | even though ally had majority pop, they were the AQ scepter holders, for instance ... |
| 23:30.11 | Amarande | but lately it seems the realm firsts have been going to the top ally guild instead :| |
| 23:39.16 | Dagmar | It's all about who is compensating harder. |
| 23:39.20 | Amarande | yay, raid is starting to form |
| 23:39.28 | Amarande | and I finished mana tombs |
| 23:39.35 | Amarande | and found out the hard way about anomalus |
| 23:39.35 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:39.58 | Amarande | One does not simply walk up to Anomalus. |
| 23:40.14 | Dagmar | haha |
| 23:40.23 | Shirik | Cide / ScytheBlade1: pong? |
| 23:40.28 | Shirik | Ackis: ping |
| 23:40.33 | Cide | Esamynn set me up |
| 23:40.36 | Cide | so nvm Shirik |
| 23:40.44 | Shirik | I think Ackis is avoiding me |
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| 23:42.16 | Dagmar | Amarande: I thought that fight was hilarious the first time. I got knocked back once and only once. Then I parked myself in front of one of those poles |
| 23:42.52 | Dagmar | The the guild leader's wife decided she wanted some pattern |
| 23:43.04 | Dagmar | Blizz still has no record I did that one |
| 23:43.07 | Shirik | wtf |
| 23:43.09 | Shirik | someone PMed me while I was gone |
| 23:43.15 | Shirik | (16:39:43)  -⺠Query with Dalejenkins (bc1c0ba4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.28.11.164) |
| 23:43.15 | Shirik | (16:39:43)  -⺠Total querys: 513 (~2.9 per day) |
| 23:43.15 | Shirik | (16:39:43) (Dalejenkins) [17:55:30] i will defeat you! should never mention me when it comes on top ima ring a man his reply will be like dont worry i will be there ASAP i will eat you! dont wanna fuck with me (never) dont get on the wrong side of me im giving you to the count of THREE, TWO, ONE. |
| 23:43.19 | cogwheel | my sister's moving out tomorrow \o/ |
| 23:43.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: It's not the knockback to worry about when soloing |
| 23:43.51 | Dagmar | Shirik: I guess they're finally getting cablemodems in the trailer park |
| 23:43.55 | Shirik | cogwheel: yay? |
| 23:44.02 | Shirik | you do not like your sister? |
| 23:44.10 | Amarande | the son of a bitch is like Mograine in SM Cath, you pull him, the whole damn room comes after you |
| 23:44.12 | cogwheel | i don't like being a parent :P |
| 23:44.16 | Amarande | and even a DK in T9+ isn't going to stand up to that |
| 23:44.19 | Amarande | not in dps gear, anyway |
| 23:44.36 | Dagmar | Amarande: This is why you clear first |
| 23:44.41 | Dagmar | Or you bring a tenacity pet |
| 23:44.43 | Dagmar | :) |
| 23:44.52 | Amarande | Dagmar: yes, that famous DK with a tenacity pet ;) |
| 23:45.00 | Amarande | and yeah, I figured out that I had to clear first |
| 23:45.02 | Amarande | ... after I died once :P |
| 23:45.04 | Dagmar | Maybe you should be nicer to animals |
| 23:45.15 | Amarande | well I tried to learn tame beast |
| 23:45.19 | Amarande | but the hunter trainer wouldn't talk to me :( |
| 23:45.23 | Dagmar | Specced to pet tank I didn't have a problem clearing htat all in one go at 80 |
| 23:45.43 | Dagmar | I still can't find a way to keep anyone level appropriate alive tho |
| 23:46.33 | Amarande | BTW |
| 23:46.33 | Dagmar | That many mobs getting so angry they don't care about line of sight. Twelve of them will run outside to one shot the newb in tow, just to prove a point |
| 23:46.40 | Amarande | will horde still be able to get the venomhide ravasaur in Cata? |
| 23:46.54 | Amarande | or will it go back to Alliance only getting their special mount (the winterspring kitties) and horde gets shafted again? |
| 23:47.06 | Dagmar | qq moar |
| 23:47.19 | Amarande | I haven't been able to get a definite fix on what the case is |
| 23:47.31 | Amarande | but seeing as un'goro is likely to be altered more than winterspring |
| 23:47.37 | Amarande | (is winterspring even being altered at all?) |
| 23:47.47 | Dagmar | "When you've opened this new highway overpass, will mutant wastelanders carjack me and f**k my sweet sweet bottom?" |
| 23:48.19 | Dagmar | There's no reason to go all emo about it in advance. |
| 23:49.19 | Amarande | meh |
| 23:49.28 | Amarande | really I'm more wondering which old world stuff I need to do *before* cata comes out and which I can wait |
| 23:50.28 | Dagmar | Only Horde kids would throw a fit about a slightly different colored mount that can't even go the proper speed for it's level |
| 23:50.59 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 who did you play with? |
| 23:51.04 | Shirik | and how did you find them |
| 23:51.44 | Amarande | Dagmar: ehh |
| 23:51.50 | Amarande | I think what "horde kids" throw fits about |
| 23:51.58 | Amarande | is that Blizzard seems to have fairly consistently thrown more favors Alliance's way |
| 23:52.03 | Amarande | maybe I'm wrong |
| 23:52.04 | Dagmar | Is that they'r enot handed free candy every hour? |
| 23:52.15 | Amarande | but if you stack up all the times where Blizzard has done something that's easier/better for Alliance |
| 23:52.20 | Dagmar | Do you even know what it takes to get the wintersaber you feel is unfair? |
| 23:52.21 | Amarande | vs. the ones where they gave Horde the better deal |
| 23:52.33 | Amarande | I *think* Alliance is the one that wins out |
| 23:52.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: you need to get exalted with wintersaber trainers, I believe |
| 23:52.47 | Dagmar | Do you know how you do that? |
| 23:52.52 | Amarande | through repeatable rep quests that *aren't even limited to once a day* |
| 23:53.11 | Dagmar | OVER EIGHT HUNDRED OF THEM |
| 23:53.26 | Amarande | I bet an 80 ally character with a weekend off and nothing better to do could probably get their wintersaber over that one weekend, or really close at least. |
| 23:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: lol |
| 23:53.39 | Amarande | Horde can't get theirs in less than 20 days no matter what. |
| 23:53.42 | Dagmar | Seriously. To get yer ravasaur all you have to do is login 20 days, and not even consecutive days |
| 23:53.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: my RL friend grabbed two of his friends to play with |
| 23:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you're jsut too easy to blame |
| 23:53.57 | Amarande | Also they'll almost definitely be able to get it in Cata, since Winterspring seems not changing much |
| 23:54.04 | Shirik | so not one of my friends |
| 23:54.07 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 23:54.10 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide is just crazy |
| 23:54.12 | Amarande | while it's very uncertain whether Horde can get the ravasaur in Cata, since Un'Goro may change too much for the quests to be doable anymore. |
| 23:54.15 | DWSR | If you ever needed a reason to go see Scott Pilgrim, this should do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-0s5eirEbo&feature=search |
| 23:54.18 | Dagmar | Dude, whether or not someone "can" get it in a weekend, doesn't necessarily mean it's a reasonable tradeoff |
| 23:54.28 | Amarande | And by "Cata" |
| 23:54.30 | Amarande | you KNOW we mean 4.0. |
| 23:54.32 | Dagmar | You could probably saw your entire arm off with a nailfile in "just" one weeken |
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| 23:54.42 | Amarande | since .0.1/.0.2 patches take the piss, basically |
| 23:54.51 | Dagmar | That shit is practically straight from the books of EverQuest |
| 23:55.02 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Tell Ackis to stop ignoring me |
| 23:55.10 | DWSR | Anyone know an easy site to steal the audio from a YT vid? |
| 23:55.14 | Amarande | you don't have any of the content from the upcoming expansion yet, AND meanwhile you've lost all the stuff that's being removed in preparation for it. |
| 23:55.14 | DWSR | Perferably in mp3 format? |
| 23:55.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: be sure to keep ignoring Shirik |
| 23:55.25 | Amarande | like 3.0.2 |
| 23:55.29 | Amarande | no WotLK stuff to do |
| 23:55.32 | Dagmar | "If your players want something to feel special about, recolor something, and make them waste 24 hours of their life doing something insanely boring" |
| 23:55.35 | Amarande | guards were 75 so you couldn't even raid cities very well |
| 23:55.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:55.41 | Shirik | not cool |
| 23:55.47 | Amarande | goblin guards were 77 so you couldn't do bloodsail at all |
| 23:55.54 | Amarande | you couldn't do champion of the naaru anymore etc. |
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| 23:55.59 | Amarande | and everything was all wonky and imba |
| 23:56.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Ackis: okay fine, stop ignoring Shirik |
| 23:56.22 | Shirik | Ackis and I are going to be so tight when he finally responds to me |
| 23:56.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: You should really go ahead and join masochists anonymous |
| 23:56.29 | Amarande | hopefully 4.0 isn't going to be another crappy interregnum like 3.0.2 and 2.0.1 :) |
| 23:56.48 | Dagmar | Normal people don't complain when the tedious bullshit parts of a game are temporarily unavailable |
| 23:56.48 | Jamash | I actually enjoyed the pre-expansion wackiness |
| 23:57.06 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masochist <-- Shirik, what the fuck? |
| 23:57.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: actually, I had gotten so very near to getting Champion of the Naaru when it was taken out. |
| 23:57.16 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:57.29 | Amarande | And had basically a whole month taken away from me to work on it, since they took it out with 3.0.2 instead of LK release |
| 23:57.37 | Dagmar | Amarande: Oh well. Next time you should do it faster |
| 23:57.39 | Shirik | what DWSR? |
| 23:57.45 | Amarande | Dagmar: bah |
| 23:57.55 | Jamash | slash violin Amarande |
| 23:57.58 | Amarande | I could never get the heroic groups |
| 23:58.09 | Amarande | they all wanted practically full T4, if not T5 by that point *to do heroics* |
| 23:58.20 | Jamash | yeah that was pretty stupid |
| 23:58.24 | DWSR | Shirik: Masochism -> BDSM? |
| 23:58.33 | Dagmar | Ah so it's Blizzards fault there's a culture of stupidity on your server |
| 23:58.39 | Shirik | no, BSDM is another article |
| 23:58.46 | Jamash | DWSR: that's what the M stands for dude |
| 23:58.51 | Amarande | with the gold I was pulling in from dailies, I was pretty confident I could buy a carry through for Gruul and Maggie |
| 23:58.55 | Amarande | and I was already getting into Kara every now and then |
| 23:59.09 | Amarande | but the heroics were impossible |
| 23:59.21 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, to be fair, Blizzard did kinda screw up 5 mans |
| 23:59.27 | Dagmar | So we're expected to believe your server was somehow populated exclusively with morons, or that you didn't try to look for the literate adults to play with |
| 23:59.37 | Dagmar | I'm going with the latter |
| 23:59.40 | Amarande | unlike LK, where they've been consistently keeping 5 mans worth playing |
| 23:59.50 | Dagmar | Nonsense. |
