IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100819

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00:15.16DagmarAttention: We are at this very moment, finishing up pulling out of Iraq.  If the neocons are correct, the world WILL FREAKIN' END in about five minutes.  That is all.
00:22.11the-golem*blink*
00:22.17the-golemFinally.
00:30.25Adyslooks around
00:30.35AdysNo asteroid, no solar flare, no supervolcano
00:30.38Adysguess we're fine
00:30.40Adysnevcairiel: ping
00:30.56AdysActually anyone good with C/bz2
00:31.49AdysWho could help me figure out WTF THIS GUY IS DOING between lines 80 and 102
00:31.50Adyshttp://paste2.org/p/955607
00:35.28JerubAdys: it looks like err() is a fatal+exit kinda thing
00:36.14AdysYeah but is there anything meaningful actually being done there?
00:36.17Adysor is it just error checking?
00:36.51Jerubit's just error checking
00:37.31Adysk
00:42.43alestaneTHE TERRORISTS HAVE WON!!1!!
00:44.48Thunder_Childi didnt know i won....weeee
00:45.57DagmarAdys: Wow.  Just... wow.  That's a really _admirable_ level of checking for errors on return that that guy's doing there.  :)
00:46.13AdysYeah
00:46.23Adysexceptions++
00:46.33Adyslines 104-110 make me shudder
00:46.34Adys><
00:47.15DagmarAh but still checked thoroughly
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01:07.21Krapswhen will buffy learn that unconscious vampire != dead vampire
01:07.52Ressylol.. You just discovered Buffy a few days ago right?
01:08.03Krapsyeah
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01:14.56Thunder_Childi feel so old now
01:14.59Thunder_Childthanks Kraps
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01:15.49Krapsi try
01:17.19Krapsbrb my comps all wonky
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01:29.20Krapshttp://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-08/hubbles-spooky-snapshot-faraway-haunted-nebula
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01:33.42Krapswhats the song in the beginning here http://www.gamona.de/gamonatv/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm,gc-2010-interview-mit-tom-chilton-englisch:video,1798176.html
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01:45.51AdysDagmar, still here?
01:46.28AdysWhat the hell does this do? (read(fd,old,oldsize)!=oldsize)  -- Read oldsize bytes off a file descriptor and write them to `old`?
01:52.23ZorbaTHutadys, looks like it to me
01:52.37AdysOk good
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02:08.46kd3ahh, good to be home and off of my pathetic netbook screen.
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02:11.29Krapsanyone else has vlc acting wonky?
02:11.29Yssarilkd3: what size screen?
02:11.48kd310.1"? 1020x600ish
02:11.57kd3is used to his dual-head 21"s
02:12.11Yssarilhehe
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02:20.42Jerubpedobear? http://imgur.com/c9NgX.jpg
02:21.23Yssarilhmm anyone know how/why when i take a screenshot it comes out alot brighter (happens to wow ingame screenshot or normal ones via PrintScreen)
02:22.27Wobinold monitor? =)
02:22.37Yssarilnope brand new :P
02:23.34Yssarilshouldn't have anything to do with the monitor imo since it should just dump its framebuffer to the clipboard
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02:28.12Yssarilnm figured it out photoshop was applying a different color profile
02:28.23Wobinhah
02:28.30Wobinscrew psychic octopi
02:28.31Wobinhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/19/2987347.htm
02:28.35Wobinwe got better =P
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02:32.44Yssarilsomeone wanna check out http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2343/listr.jpg and tell me if its clear what the 3 button (in each row) do
02:33.09Xinhuanmove up, move down, delete
02:33.34Yssarilwoot
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02:34.22Yssarilsorry for the crappy img (just realized it was a screenshot of a screenshot
02:41.23Krapshttp://img12.imageshack.us/i/cataclysmspoof.jpg/
02:47.20DagmarYssaril: Some people might feel more clearly about an 'X' instead of a naught, but beyond that it's clear enough.... but if you're using the same asset as the skills window for the 'unlearn skill' button, you're probably golden
02:47.34Jerubanyone here happen to be a bloody expert on dns?
02:47.43Dagmarraises a tentacle
02:47.54JerubDagmar: http://oss.netboxblue.com/squid/truncated-reply.pcap
02:48.06Jerubcan you think why the TC (truncated reply) flag is set on that reply packet?
02:48.11Jerub(dump contains just 2 packets)
02:48.17DagmarIt's over the maximum size allowed for a UDP response
02:48.23Jerubit's only 500 bytes
02:48.36Jeruband it's to localhost
02:48.52DagmarSo
02:49.00Jeruboh dang.
02:49.03DagmarReplies are limited to 512 bytes
02:49.08Jerubrfc 1035 requires 512.
02:49.12Jerubstabs
02:49.14Jerubstabbity stabbity.
02:49.22DagmarThis is how people screw themselves over by blocking TCP port 53
02:50.12Jerubwell, in this cas,e it's squid committing hari kari when it tries to connect to localhost for the same query on tcp
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02:50.25DagmarUnder certain circumstances where the remote host has a largish reply to send (most commonly, round robin DNS, like what www.google.com used to do) it'll try to send the reply over TCP
02:50.30Dagmar...or at least want to
02:51.00DagmarLookie here https://www.dns-oarc.net/oarc/services/replysizetest
02:51.15YssarilDagmar: i am actually using Ø :)
02:51.51DagmarOkay well that does actually cover or link to all the bits and pieces ya need to know
02:53.05DagmarYssaril: I kinda wish they had a widget API for that
02:53.40YssarilDagmar: ??? for svg files or somesuch?
02:54.08DagmarWell, no, a generically-named image you could reference to get a (slightly) localized button'
02:55.11DagmarLike with GTK+ there's a bunch of common buttons whose looks and (if required) text labels and functions are pre-defined
02:55.26Yssarilahh
02:55.47DagmarAn Okay button is always an okay button, and it can be localized without the author giving a damn.  Same for Cancel, Next, Forward and so on
02:56.32DagmarIf someone's obscure little corner of the world uses red to mean health and green to mean sickness (I'M LOOKING AT YOU, AFRICA) then you don't even have to worry about chromatic hints confusing people
02:56.53YssarilDagmar: you can just use GlobalStrings for that (unless you are space constrained like me)
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02:57.26Dagmar...and before anyone complains, that actually _was_ a problem when I was a kid.  Labels on poisons between the US, Japan, and Asia were causing awful issues
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02:58.10Dagmar"Green face means it's safe to drink!  yay!"
02:58.46Yssarillol
02:59.06DagmarYssaril: Yeah but it would be handy to be able to create the button object and then simply tamper with the attributes on the instantation of it you just made before you push it into the frame
02:59.45Krapsman i hate this "we made it easy to invite ALL your facebook friends!"
02:59.54Krapsbs
03:00.11DagmarKraps: Don't worry.  They already know if you have friends or not.
03:00.29DagmarFacebook's database is something I'm *sure* there's many three-letter agences with secret taps into
03:01.05DagmarI'm practically a stingy tin-foil hatter about my personal details online.
03:01.18DagmarIt didn't keep Facebook from knowing a whole shitload of people that I know IRL.
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03:01.23Xyphoidso you're a great fan of 'type in your email address and password and we'll import all your contacts!' features then?
03:01.29DagmarHell no
03:01.51Xyphoidyeah, I was pretty impressed that linkedin gave me a big list of contacts immediately after i created an account
03:02.20Xyphoidterrified until i figured out that other people had used that kind of tool, and it kept track of my email address in case i ever registered
03:02.51Dagmaryeah but in my case a lot of these people are people I never exchanged emails with
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03:49.21bluspacecowhttp://www.dropbox.com/static/images/epicbox.png
03:49.26bluspacecowlolz
03:54.55Dagmar(the shark needs lasers)
03:58.01kd3and where's the rocking forsaken?
03:58.14mikmaso, they approved new smoking-law in finland
03:59.00mikmaall tobacco-products will go under the desks, they need to give out catalogues to people asking about them
04:00.19bluspacecowcan we order them by mail order now ?
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04:01.48Dagmarmikma: Makes me feel like a cigarette actually
04:02.00kd3who's desk are you under?
04:02.04kd3whose*
04:02.06mikmago for a fag, fag!
04:02.33bluspacecowwhat it'll be like order porno magazines ? will it come in a dodgie brown bag ?
04:05.14DagmarJust mail order them from Indonesia directly like I still do occasionally
04:05.58DagmarThe best thing that ever happened to make it easy for me to mind that I don't smoke more than a few a day...
04:06.05DagmarA 10-day lead time on orders.
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04:33.04Jerubhttp://geeksaresexy.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/mathnerds.jpg
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04:37.51mikmawobin: http://www.break.com/index/the-trainer
04:38.04Wobinsfw?
04:39.41Thunder_Childdo you really want it to be?
04:40.36Wobinyes
04:41.11Thunder_Childthen, yes, but it's suggestive
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04:47.26eidolarrCan anyone recommend a totally sweet pair of noise-isolating headphones?
04:48.52eidolarrno?
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04:50.16bluspacecownot me
04:50.22bluspacecowim not an audiophile
04:50.47bluspacecowmight be different in your part of the world as well ... dont know what brands are avaliable for you
04:51.33eidolarri don't need audiophile quality, just solid
04:51.45bluspacecownot sure
04:51.48bluspacecownever used em
04:53.40eidolarrthanks anyway
04:53.45eidolarri was thinking grados but idk which are good
04:59.40Fisker<PROTECTED>
05:02.01FiskerME
05:02.30eidolarrwhat!!
05:02.48Fiskeryes me
05:03.00Jerubscreams quietly.
05:03.06bluspacecowyou make noise isolating headphones ?
05:03.30Fiskeri wish
05:04.37Wobinhe creates the need for them
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05:17.09Jerubbwahahahaha
05:17.10Jerubhttp://i.imgur.com/B9LeD.jpg
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05:31.47WobinJerub: win
05:36.25KrapsJerub: what
05:38.02WobinKraps: it's an aussie pop culture reference
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05:47.06Krapshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=putQn89TQzc&feature=related
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06:06.32Krapsit cancels out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJLrcG64ulU
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06:26.27Shirik|Ghso much drama in the MSE
06:33.55Shirik|Ghlmao
06:33.57Shirik|Ghbest rule ever
06:34.11Shirik|Gh104.1 Players asked to choose “any number” can choose 0 or any positive integer. Players can’t choose
06:34.11Shirik|Gha fractional or infinite numeric value. If a card requires an infinite numeric value, its controller
06:34.11Shirik|Ghchooses any positive integer greater than 1 million.
06:35.00DagmarProbably some infinite mana loophole
06:35.29Shirik|GhI especially like the idea of choosing things like pi damage
06:35.29krka?
06:35.30Shirik|Ghor something
06:39.52DagmarOooo... Borderlands for ten bucks.
06:42.50Jerubwell, if there's a card that triggers when you have N health
06:43.04Jeruband you either have N+0.5 or N-0.5 health ;)
06:43.31krkagive me a context here
06:43.56krkaMSE?
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06:46.59DagmarMy guess is that he's playing with Magic Set Editor
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07:07.37Shirik|Ghkrka, the WoW TCG
07:07.45Shirik|Ghjust reading tournament rules
07:11.28Fiskeryay
07:11.34Fiskerthis is the second copy of SC2 i bought today
07:14.28Fiskerbtw why do people persist Shirik|Gh ?
07:17.32Fiskerslaps Shirik|Gh around a bit with a large trout
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07:21.09Fiskerslaps Shirik|Gh around a bit with a large trout
07:22.22FiskerLOL
07:22.28Fisker"Do not reply to this message"
07:23.11FiskerThen the e-mail itself is sent from an address which is the same as the sender address for the message i apparently can't reply to
07:23.12Fisker:3
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07:27.21unfo-DO NOT QUESTION! OBEY!
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07:30.32Fiskerthis guy is annoying though
07:30.59FiskerHe keeps using my e-mail
07:31.49Kalrothwhy not
07:32.13Fiskerwell Kalroth
07:32.20Fiskeri could just have recovered his netbanking password
07:32.23Fiskerand used that
07:32.26Fiskerbut i'm not a jerk :/
07:32.43FiskerThough i do think it would end
07:33.11FiskerIf i stole all his money and maxed his credit then i'm pretty sure the police would tell him to stop
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07:36.43zenzio"Maive reminds me of both muslims and ninjas LOL " o_O
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07:39.32Fiskercan you pipe output and still print it to console?
07:39.35Fiskerin linniiiiiiiix
07:39.55mitch0fisker: tee
07:40.19mitch0actually, that's a bit different
07:42.38mitch0but some combination of tee and tail -f could do what you need
07:42.44unfo-mitch0, tee shuold work with $stdout?
07:43.12mitch0somestuff | tee /tmp/x | someprocessing & tail -f /tmp/x
07:43.18mitch0but it's kinda stupid
07:43.45mitch0migth needs some parens here and there
07:50.34zenziookay, this is interesting... http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m176/Negrido/GARROSH_IS_A_JERK_by_AMSLizrah.jpg
08:04.14Dagmaro.O
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08:40.54Sixenyeah
08:40.57Sixennetsplit pwnt us too
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09:02.52Arrowmasterheh i found my old palm3, was wondering where that was
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11:29.37PitPandahey guys, is there a way to get his own name via api?
11:30.06SpejnarGetUnit("player")
11:30.10SpejnarI think..
11:30.43PitPandaah ok :) thx ill try
11:30.53Spejnarno, thats not right
11:31.13SpejnarUnitName("target")
11:31.24Spejnarhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitName
11:31.31Spejnarehm, "player" ofc
11:32.19PitPandato whisper myself SendChatMessage(SItem..": "..Count.."/"..MaxCount, nil, nil, GetUnit("player")) , is this right?
11:33.29PitPandaok "WHISPER" for the first nil ?
11:35.26Spejnarcheck the api for the params
11:36.11Spejnarhttp://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendChatMessage
11:42.04KandokoIf only you need to see the output you may want to just use print()
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11:49.45PitPandano i wanna whisper it :D
11:50.46PitPandabut it works thx. :)
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12:24.46PitPandais there a way to delay this event a bit ? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/139782 cuz if i loot it wont whisper me the actual item count :/
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12:45.00mitch0pitpanda: create a queue for "items to be checked", put item in queue from event handler, :Show() a frame with an OnUpdate that'll check queue after .1sec then :Hide() itself
12:50.08PitPandaok ill test this thx :)
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12:59.28Lunessastation
12:59.32|Jelly|STATION!
12:59.41|Jelly|damnit
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13:10.03Lunessalulz
13:14.01|Jelly|I'll lulz you in the face!
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13:19.50Adyshttp://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/21576108459
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13:25.23Fiskershit is going to blow up Adys
13:27.32Adysthat's what your mom said last time i saw her in the bathroom
13:29.07batrickFisker's mom is a terrorist?
13:29.19batrick(that would make so much sense)
13:29.32Lunessawould rather be sleeping.
13:29.44|Jelly|^
13:30.04|Jelly|I have a dog and pony show today. :(
13:30.18|Jelly|.. to attend, that is
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13:37.27LunessaI was going to say...
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13:51.41zenzioohai thar peppy
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13:55.06Lopeppeppyoh hi, zenzio!
13:56.17LegorolAre there any sites yet that sell Cata CE in EU?
13:56.30Grumamazon prolly?
13:56.42LopeppeppyAmazon fix everything.
13:57.05Legorolgrum: only US amazon sells it, UK one not yet
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13:57.41GrumLegorol: not like its going to be this year anyhow
13:57.54Grumif you look at the WoR interview they have SO much yet to test
13:58.05Vlakaradosis there any way to add custom floating combat text?
13:59.03LegorolGrum: that's besides the point. CEs sell out very fast once they go on sale, usually within a few days
13:59.19Vlakaradosto the default, not msbt or other
13:59.19LopeppeppyLimited edition and all.
13:59.22LegorolSo I need to be on the ball, even if it's just pre-order for a release in a year's time
13:59.37GrumLegorol: not at all the case with SC2
13:59.44Grumyou can still get SC2 LEs o.O
13:59.46LegorolSC2 is SC2
13:59.47Legorolyes
14:00.00Legorolso far WoW CE-s have always sold out within days
14:00.04Legorolall 3 of them
14:00.11Grumnot had any problems with em tbh
14:00.34LegorolI always ordered it quickly, so didn't have a problem as such, I just know that they go quickly and I don't want to miss out
14:00.59Grum:)
14:01.37Grumsofar i just missed out on the first one :'((((((((
14:01.38Fiskernaw Legorol
14:01.45Grumwtb silly mini diablo!
14:01.48Fiskeryou're just not looking hard enough etc.
14:01.53LegorolFisker: do tell
14:02.05Legorolwhat site sells EU version of Cata CE?
14:02.10FiskerMost people get them through specific gameshops or online
14:02.23Fiskermany physical stores keep their copies for weeks before they sell out
14:02.34Grumyup
14:03.20Fiskerby stores i mean stores who happen to sell games, but where the primary purpose isn't selling games
14:03.30Fiskeri.e. something like walmart, best buy, etc.
14:03.51Fiskerthough i'm not sure that's true for the US
14:04.00Grumwe dont have those shitty stores in EU =D
14:04.02Fiskerbut atleast it is for the major danish retailers similar to best buy, etc.
14:04.17Fiskeryou have something similar Grum
14:04.26Fiskerwhich will also have a pretty significant chance of still having copies
14:04.36Fiskerbookstores might also
14:04.40Grumyup
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14:06.14Fiskersome online stores are jerks though
14:06.45FiskerThey happily oversell the CE, and then a couple of days before release they tell you that they can't deliver
14:06.51Fiskerbusinessjerks, etc.
14:07.56Fisker10 minutes until i escape this hellhole
14:10.01krkaLegorol: http://www.webhallen.com/spel/pc/111274-world_of_warcraft_expansion-cataclysm-collectors_edition
14:10.18Grumbut then you need krrrrrs!
14:10.43krkakrrrrrrs can be traded for euros!
14:11.14Fiskerkrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is awesome
14:11.17Fiskerespecially dk krrrrrrrr
14:11.21Legorolthanks krka, but i think i'll wait until the major sites start carrying it
14:11.26Legoroli appreciate being proven wrong though :)
14:11.35krkawebhallen is pretty major, at least in sweden
14:11.48krkanot sure it ships overseas though
14:11.52Fiskerisn't webhallen known for being scum as well?
14:11.58FiskerEspecially in the overselling department?
14:12.22Fiskerhow much is 899 sek in dkk?
14:12.49Grum899 Swedish kronor = 709.304811 Danish kroner
14:12.53Fiskerlol ripoff
14:12.55Fisker;3
14:12.59krkaLegorol: http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=621588
14:13.11Fiskeri'm getting it for 599dkk with free shipping
14:13.12krkai'm sure there are similar sites to prisjakt where you are (uk?)
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14:14.18GrumFisker: you are not getting LE then! you're getting a brick!
14:15.14Fisker:/
14:16.30LopeppeppyMmm, bricks.
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14:47.21Legorolkrka: weird, game.se has it, but game.co.uk doesn't. It's the same franchise
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14:59.04Warlocolo all
14:59.28zenzelezzheya
14:59.48Warlocoquick question
14:59.48Warlocoif colouredFrame and colouredFrame ~= colouredFrame or not colouredFrame then
14:59.48WarlocoHow does that make sense?
15:00.04Warlocoparticularly if variablename isnt equal to samevariable
15:00.52KrapsIntel to Acquire McAfee, Moving Into Online Security
15:01.41Shirik|Ghwhy would anyone acquire mcafee
15:01.50Krapsbeats me
15:02.04Shirik|Ghlua> a = 0/0; return a ~= a;
15:02.05Warlocomaybe they wanted to just get some virus definitions
15:02.14Shirik|Ghwhere the hell is lua_bot
15:02.25Shirik|GhWarloco: It's checking to see if it's not a number
15:02.35Warlocoah ty
15:02.36Shirik|Ghnans are not equal to anything, including themselves
15:02.47Shirik|GhI do that a few times in auctioneer
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15:03.09LegorolShirik: but what's the purpose of the "or not colouredFrame"
15:03.31Warlocothats just checking if it exists I guess
15:03.33Shiriknan still evaluates to true
15:03.40Legorolseems like the whole expression evaluates to true if: 1) it's a NaN 2) it's nil 3) it's false
15:03.41Krapslol http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/august/ss1098.jpg
15:03.53Shirikthat's what it looks like to me
15:04.00Legorolwhich is strange
15:04.02Warlocosince im a nab, what does NAn stand for
15:04.13malrethnon a number
15:04.15malrethnot
15:04.23malrethbah
15:04.25malreth~fail me
15:04.26purlmalreth, you Fail!
15:04.32Warlocohehe
15:04.37Warlocohelpful anyway :p ty guys
15:04.39malrethnot a number
15:04.40Legoroli guess the expression is for this: "if colouredFrame is not a valid value, then ..."
15:04.49Spejnarmalreth ~= malreth
15:05.35Fiskernom nom nom malreth
15:05.48LegorolShirik: how do you generate a NaN in Lua?
15:06.05malrethlua> math.huge - math.huge
15:06.07Legorol1/0 and 0/0 don't seem to give a nan
15:06.28malreth...
15:06.32Legorolmalreth: what is math.huge?
15:06.45ShirikLegorol: 0/0 gives a nan
15:06.46Shiriktry harder
15:06.47malrethLegorol: it's essentially infinity
15:06.52Shirikinfinity is not a nan
15:06.53Legoroloh maybe because i'm using 5.0
15:06.54FiskerShirik
15:06.57Warlocothe whole code looks strange since I cant actually find any other reference to colouredframe in any of the files
15:06.58Fiskeri just ate food
15:07.16Fiskerbtw you're both wrong
15:07.19Fisker0/0 = nullity
15:07.40LegorolShirik: i just tried a=0/0; print(a==a); print(a~=a);
15:07.44Krapshttp://comics.com/peanuts/2010-08-19/
15:07.45Legorolthe result is true, false
15:07.55Legorolthat was in lua 5.1
15:08.02Warlocohmm this is pretty fail
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15:08.28Warlocoit's spelled coloredframe in other places, that explains why I couldnt find the colouredframe version elsewhere, I got the original author got mixed up
15:08.34Shirikhttp://www.lua.org/cgi-bin/demo
15:08.38Shiriksays true for a ~= a
15:09.08Fiskercome on Shirik
15:09.11Fiskerit's nullity
15:09.20ShirikFisker
15:09.22ShirikI will destroy you
15:09.31Fiskeryou would if you could
15:09.41LegorolShirik: strange. I run the samge in my local copy of Lua 5.1 and it gives true, false
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15:09.44Legorolthat's very strange
15:10.22malrethlicks Fisker on the face
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15:10.45Fiskeri love it
15:10.45malrethwhatever
15:10.53Krapsgets Buffys missile launcher
15:11.08Warlocoo_o
15:11.44ShirikLegorol: Technically speaking, this is implementation-dependent
15:11.53Shirikbut I've never heard of a platform that results in this
15:12.12Legoroli'm using windows binary interpreter
15:12.38malrethmaybe windows doesn't understand the concept of infinity?
15:12.59Lunessamost don't
15:13.08cog|workmorning
15:13.10ShirikI'm on Windows
15:13.27Fiskermaybe you don't understand the concept of nullity malreth
15:13.28malrethtosses cog|work a breakfast taco
15:13.29Fiskerhey cog|work
15:13.33Fiskeri was bored today :(
15:13.35mitch0Lua 5.1.2  Copyright (C) 1994-2007 Lua.org, PUC-Rio
15:13.35mitch0> a=0/0; print(a~=a, a==a);
15:13.35mitch0true    false
15:13.37Legorollet's see, i'm using 5.1.0, and i got the file from http://luabinaries.sourceforge.net/download.html a while ago i think
15:13.39Krapshttp://kotaku.com/5616445/the-queen-of-blades-made-flesh/gallery/
15:13.45Shirikand malreth, 0/0 is not infinity, and infinity is not not a number
15:13.48mitch0(on linux)
15:13.48Warlocois there an easy way to get a curse on you for UI testing purposes? >_<
15:14.01LegorolWarloco: duel a helpful warlock
15:14.06Warlocomagic/poison/disease is fine too
15:14.07cog|workmalreth: in slight contrast with the $90 of Japanese food i had last night...
15:14.16malrethShirik: i know infinity is not nan
15:14.19ShirikWarloco: I just duel people
15:14.25Warlocomeh
15:14.35Warlocoty
15:14.37malrethShirik: but inf - inf is an undefined value and should be nan
15:16.05Shirikyes
15:16.52malrethwe have a lot in common, Shirik. we're both stupendously smart and we're also both never wrong.
15:17.09malreththis is why we must destroy each other
15:17.44the-golemthe limit of n/0 is infinity, n/0 by itself DNE
15:17.51ShirikI think if we come in contact with each other we would annihilate
15:17.53the-golemcrawls back into his hole
15:17.59Shirikyou are probably an antishirik
15:18.05malrethlol
15:18.20Krapsdivides by zero
15:18.33the-golemwatches the universe KA-BOOM
15:19.09ShirikI divide by zero all the time
15:19.20Shirikyou know, calculus is based on division by zero
15:19.31Krapsno wonder the world is so shitty
15:19.46Shirik( f(x) - f(x + h) ) / h
15:19.49Shirikcompute as h approaches 0
15:20.37LegorolShirik: you know very well taht you are slightly twisting things for dramatic effect
15:20.48Legoroltechnically, the limit of something is not the same as the thing itself
15:20.48Shirikbut it is!
15:20.51Shirikok
15:20.52Shirikfair enough
15:21.01ShirikIt's not based on division by zero
15:21.23Shirikit's based on evaluating limits at the point where there would be division by zero
15:21.25Legorolanyway, i did a lil test
15:21.28Fiskeri'm gonna make a calculator where 0/0 = nullity
15:21.31Legoroli have a copy of 5.1.0 for windows and 5.1.4 for windows
15:21.46Legorola~=a is false in 5.1.0 and true in 5.1.4
15:21.57Legoroli don't know if they were compiled differently or not, as i only got the binary
15:24.06Shirikyeah don't have an answer for that
15:24.06malrethwe're one step closer to an infinite improbability engine, gentlemen: http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2010/08/probabilistic-processors-possibly-potent.ars
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15:25.09Krapswhats that mean?
15:25.12Warlocoif I have a texture with alpha layers and I setalpha 1 / setvertexcolor etc, will only the visible parts of the textures be colored and visible?
15:25.53malrethKraps: it means we get to turn space ships into whales and plants
15:26.06Krapsumm...
15:26.14batrickLegorol: are you using that LuaForWindows package?
15:26.23batrickit looks pretty good from a batteries included standpoint
15:26.35Legorolnope i'm not
15:26.45Legorolhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/luabinaries/files/
15:26.48Legorolwhich is a different project
15:26.52batrickmaybe you should?
15:26.58batrickanyways
15:27.08batricki think there might have been a bug reported having to do with equality
15:27.13batrickbetter check the bugs listing
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15:38.12Krapshttp://notalwaysright.com/totally-randumb/6604
15:38.37Krapsi actually facepalmed, i dont do that often
15:39.03Fiskeri didn't facepalm
15:39.38Krapswas that you then?
15:40.18Fiskernope
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15:43.48Kraps"You're Honda analogy is flawed, deeply."
15:44.17Krapslove when people use the reverse you're
15:44.50Fiskeralways bet on duke
15:45.09Shirikduke nukem?
15:45.10Krapsi dont do college sports
15:45.23Fiskeryes Shirik
15:45.29cog|workKraps: You are Honda. Your argument is invalid.
15:46.08cog|workwtf
15:46.11cog|workhttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/540704565
15:47.00Fiskercog|work
15:47.07Krapscog|work: to me, using your instead of you're is a bit more understandable than the other way around
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15:48.28cog|workKraps: i was playing with the "<non sequitur>. Your argument is invalid" meme
15:48.32Krapscog|work: i read the title
15:48.35Fiskerno you weren't cog|work
15:48.37Krapsi lold
15:48.39Fiskerbecause i'm stopping you
15:48.50Fiskerputs up a stop sign
15:48.51Krapscog|work: oh i know
15:49.04Krapsi'm an expert on memes
15:49.15Fiskeri disagree
15:50.14Krapstry me
15:51.08Fiskeri'll show you later
15:52.02Fiskerlooks like i won
15:52.27Krapsi even came up with this: i'm twelve and what is this i dont even"
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15:53.05Fiskerhave you taken comp sci 3?
15:53.41Krapsno
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15:54.13Fiskeri won again
15:55.14Krapsi disagree
15:55.27Fiskeri disagree
15:55.53Krapsi disagree with your disagreement
15:57.28cog|workFisker: i am disappoint
15:57.56Krapsi like turtles
15:58.13cog|worktortoises > turtles
15:58.35LunessaRadioactive Black-belt Hamsters.
15:59.16cog|workthat should be the new zerg unit to counter terrans
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15:59.37KrapsLunessa: i'd like to visit your planet sometime
15:59.48cog|workKraps: it's called Texas
15:59.52cog|worka very strange place
15:59.56wereHamsterhamsters.. did I hear hamsters?
16:00.19LunessaMy planet is filled with hot women, whiskey, and spicy food.   We also carry large guns and wear battle armor.
16:00.27cog|workno but you may have seen it, or maybe you heard some noise indicating that it was written.
16:00.31cog|work:P
16:00.53Fiskeroh u cog|work ?
16:00.59TC-WorkLunessa: it's all in your head.
16:00.59cog|workLunessa: and meat. lots of meat.
16:01.11KrapsLunessa: also the awesomest accent when attached to a woman
16:01.12LunessaIt's a MEAT PLANET!
16:01.30cog|workthey know what "rare" means in texas
16:01.53cog|workyou order rare in california (at least in restaurants that have reasonable prices) and you get anything from medium-well to medium
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16:07.30WarlocoError occured in: Global
16:07.30WarlocoCount: 1
16:07.30WarlocoMessage: memory allocation error: block too big
16:07.35Warlocohow do I fix that >_<
16:07.48Warlocoor find out where the problem is
16:08.08Shirik_you probably have an infinite loop
16:08.15Shirik_and are concatenating strings together
16:08.25Shirik_both of these are probably bad
16:09.01Warlocoenable/disable addons till I figure out which one?
16:09.07Warlocoor is there a better way
16:09.46Shirik_basically
16:12.38Krapsthis looks cool http://kotaku.com/5616648/might-and-magic-heroes-vi-might-be-magic
16:23.09batrickmorning shirik
16:23.18the-golemWarloco: I'm not exactly sure what you meant. SetAlpha affects the overall visiblity of the texture, but doesn't affect the alpha contained within the texture. A texture which contains transparent bits, but that's SetAlpha(1), will still have it's transparent bits as transparent.
16:23.44Warlocothanks golem
16:28.46Lunessawants a steak, a baked potato, a salad and a scotch.
16:29.16Lopeppeppyhad a cucumber for lunch. Does that count?
16:29.39LunessaNo. Do not want (except as part of the salad).
16:29.42WarlocoI dont think it counts Lopeppeppy
16:30.26LopeppeppyAwww, nuts.  Sorry Lunessa, I have nothing to share!
16:30.27WarlocoI just tried to drain soul IRC
16:30.30Warloco>_<
16:30.32the-golemLunessa: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518ZJzI6MOL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
16:30.54the-golemPicture from your universe, mebbe?
16:31.02Warlocolol
16:31.02Lunessathe-golem: I played the original game.  :)
16:31.21the-golemThere was an original?
16:31.30Warlocoto be fair, she also wanted a salad- not that bad-ass :(
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16:31.55LunessaLunessa is more male than most people possibly imagine
16:32.22Warlocoo_o
16:33.03Warlocomental image noted and D:
16:33.04durcynlunessa posted for giver.jpg
16:33.20the-golemlolwtf @ original setting
16:33.30the-golem"Macho Women with Guns is set in a near-future America where society has collapsed due to the misdeeds of the Reagan Administration."
16:33.32Fiskerslaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout
16:33.43Lopeppeppyeyes Lunessa up and down.
16:33.50Warlocolol
16:33.53durcynposed, rather.
16:33.57Lunessawolf-whistles at Lopeppeppy.
16:35.35Warlocois the wow ui designer recommended for people who are nabs at lua?
16:35.56Cideno?
16:35.59the-golemnabs?
16:36.00Cideit's not recommended for anyone
16:36.05Spejnarthe what? get wowlua and notepad++ with xml validation
16:36.29the-golemn++ doesn't come with xml validation by default?
16:36.30Shirik_no
16:36.36Shirik_notepad++ is evil
16:36.36Spejnarno it doesnt
16:36.43the-golemlol
16:36.52Fisker~shirik++
16:36.52the-golemI've been using n++ for years >.>
16:36.54Fiskernotepad++ sucks
16:36.58Fisker~notepad++--
16:37.29Spejnaryou  can install it from the plugin manager
16:37.33Cide~karma notepad++
16:37.33purlnotepad++ has neutral karma
16:37.39Cide~notepad++--
16:37.47Cide-_-
16:37.51Cide~karma notepad++
16:37.51purlnotepad++ has karma of -1
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16:37.56Warlocolol
16:38.04Cidegj shirik
16:38.18WarlocoEDi? Is that a reference to Mass Effect 2?
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16:38.44durcynno, it's a blatand and direct rip off.
16:38.51durcynblatant, even.  balls, i can't type today.
16:39.08Warlocohehe
16:40.16Warlocoso how come Wow ui designed is not recommended? messy code? or just because its better to familiarize with the code stuff yourself?
16:40.42Cidebecause it's bad
16:40.48Cidecan you even see what I'm typing?
16:40.49cog|workbecause it's old
16:40.52cog|workCide: yes
16:40.57LopeppeppyOr has it not been updated recently.
16:40.57Cidewhat's +q do then
16:41.09Cideit was never good, cog|work
16:41.13Warlocook
16:41.13Spejnardidnt even know there was such a thing, learn the basics instead
16:41.26cog|workCide: but it used to not be awful
16:41.30Warlocoslowly but surely im learning the basics :p
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16:41.46WarlocoIve written 6 or 7 addons for my own purposes, all very simplistic though
16:42.30SpejnarWarloco: secure templates also?
16:42.35Warloconope
16:42.44ccoxThe current blizzard UI code appears to have been hacked by interns
16:42.55ccoxit's a very, very bad example
16:42.55Spejnarsimple addon, create a button that can cast a spell during combat
16:42.59Shirik_adios and vaya con dios
16:43.22WarlocoSpejnar: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/author-90530.html
16:44.22Warlocohmm I just got an idea for updating thatsanewone
16:44.40Shirik_hey
16:44.42Shirik_what's wrong with interns
16:45.25LopeppeppyThey eat too many Fritos.
16:46.42TC-Workgrrr...how hard is it do have a script run at shutdown
16:48.40Lopeppeppyvery hard, according to your growling.
16:49.02TC-Worki know :(
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16:52.48batrickman i just looked at my irc bot sandbox again and realized it's 1000 lines long
16:52.57batrickthat's sad
16:55.44PitPanda^^
16:56.14Warlocohow can I make 1 thing thats on the overlay layer be on top of another thing thats on the same layer?
16:56.36SpejnarWarloco: framstrata I think
16:56.39Spejnarframestrata ofc
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16:57.21Spejnarehm..
16:57.47Warlocogoogling
16:57.54Spejnaryea me2
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16:58.35SpejnarWarloco: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=959
16:58.44Warlocoty
17:00.14mikmahaste: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/there_are_bad_ideas_and_then_t.php
17:05.30cog|work☻
17:06.50Fiskercog|work
17:07.13FiskerShirik
17:07.16FiskerShirik 
17:07.19FiskerShirik  
17:07.23FiskerEDI is back
17:07.27Fiskercan i be stopped?
17:07.36TC-Workwrong Shirik Fisker
17:07.42TC-Workyou need Shirik_
17:07.52NightHawkTheSanerampages across the landscape
17:08.04TC-Workrides NightHawkTheSane
17:09.10NightHawkTheSane...
17:09.12NightHawkTheSanefeels dirty
17:09.21TC-Workat least i didnt say mount
17:09.30NightHawkTheSaneyeah, cause that would have been so much worse.
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17:10.47LunessaI hate people.
17:10.58Lunessahate, hate, hate, hate.
17:12.20Krapshttp://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1933-Where-Did-Survival-Horror-Go
17:13.15Xinhuanyou must hate yourself
17:14.24LunessaXinhuan: I don't consider myself "people"  but self-loathing is a strong compnent.
17:15.15NightHawkTheSaneI'd suggest we start a misanthropists club, but I can't imagine it'd turn out that well.
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17:40.22Krapswhen your hands are sweaty the toothpick you're holding gets a delicious salty taste
17:40.56cog|workor you could just lick your hands
17:42.28Krapsnot the same
17:42.53batricklmao
17:44.25Fiskeryou could lick something else to the same effect cog|work
17:53.24zenzelezz"Several readers have noted that Intel has agreed to buy McAfee, the computer antivirus software maker, for about $7.7 billion in cash."
17:53.31zenzelezz"Do you take twenties?"
17:53.31nicoli_sAckis:did you start playing wow agin?
17:54.15Fiskerslaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout
17:54.29LopeppeppyHe's been doing the beta, I think.
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17:55.02Cidwelhi all
17:55.15cog|workhi
17:56.39Fiskerwhy do you hate me cog|work ?
17:58.53Krapshttp://www.cracked.com/article_18683_7-scientific-reasons-zombie-outbreak-would-fail-quickly.html
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18:00.08Shirik_why do you hate me Fisker ?
18:01.16batrickbecause you're so hatable
18:01.27batrickespecially since you are a bad friend and don't say hi back to people
18:01.30batricknow get lost!
18:02.47cog|workhttp://www.popcrunch.com/15-movies-that-killed-people/
18:04.52Fiskeri love you Shirik_
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18:09.24Krapsxander's love spell misfiring = funniest episode evar?
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18:10.05Krapseven the boys want him!
18:10.38NightHawkTheSaneI want one of those CDC business cards.
18:11.02Lopeppeppygods,this college uses pink on it's website?  Eeew.
18:12.02Fiskeri got hiccups
18:12.13LopeppeppyBOO!
18:12.16Lopeppeppy... did that help?
18:12.36Fiskernope :(
18:14.25LopeppeppySorry.
18:18.26Fiskerthat's ok
18:18.28Fiskeratleast you aren't a jerk
18:18.30Fiskerlike Shirik
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18:20.15Shirik_:(
18:20.51LopeppeppyJerk doesn't get applied to females that often.  We get the universal "bitch", while for males there is a gradation between "jerk" and "prick", etc...  *musing while bored*
18:21.17Fiskerwell you just made the jerklist
18:21.22the-golemlol
18:22.22Krapsyep, funniest evar
18:22.23Kraps<buffys mom> do you want something cold or something hot? /sexy i think its more of a hot night
18:22.25Kraps<xander> /facetable
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18:28.59Fiskerif only i got 7 more shards
18:29.06Shirik_Lopeppeppy didn't even try to deny that I am a Jerk :(
18:30.21Fiskerwhat is there to deny?
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18:32.06olafskido shamans have a spell called totem of wrath? :s
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18:32.16Lunessayes
18:32.59olafskiI can't find it on wowhead
18:33.03olafskimust be me.. only wrath of air totem
18:33.23olafskioh .. a talent? oO
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18:33.40LunessaElemental.
18:34.05olafskiI see.. figured wowhead would call that a skill as well considering you can train ranks 2-4
18:34.11olafskimerci
18:35.33alestaneSteppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride" is an excellent antidote for bad moods.
18:35.58Shirik_agree
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18:37.55mikmahaste + wobin : http://failblog.org/2010/08/19/epic-fail-video-street-performer-win/
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18:45.46alestaneThat's pretty awesome.
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18:54.52olafskithat was rather impressive
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19:05.13Zhinjioso... some weirdness... maybe I just missed some change
19:05.32ZhinjioI have some code that checks to see if ChatFrame1EditBox is visible and if not, then it shows it
19:05.40Zhinjiojust with ChatFrame1EditBox:Show
19:05.48Zhinjioand then SetText's it to put in my report string
19:05.56Zhinjiothe Show isn't working, but doesn't throw an error
19:05.59Zhinjiodid something change?
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19:14.23alestanecurls around Cairenn's feet.
19:14.36Cairennhugs alestane
19:14.36alestaneOops...hope you weren't carrying anything, hon!~
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19:15.37LopeppeppyHeya, Cairenn!
19:15.44Cairennhey Lopeppeppy :)
19:17.25CairennThis guy is amazing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtztrcGkCBw&feature=player_embedded
19:17.45alestaneLet's see if that's what I think it is.
19:18.25alestaneYep...mikma linked it about half an hour ago...through failblog, of all places.
19:18.32alestaneIt is undeniably awesome.
19:19.01Cairennbah
19:19.05Cairennheh, oh well
19:20.30FiskerCairennmen
19:21.27alestaneAt first I thought he was performing in California or something, but I guess he's just in front of a university or somewhere else with an unusually high concentration of foreigners.
19:21.52LopeppeppyI love contact juggling!
19:22.44alestaneIt's the only kind I'd ever be likely to be any good at if I tried.
19:23.13alestaneHis mime-work is also excellent.
19:23.42zenzelezzlet me guess, video/humor?
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19:24.49Lopeppeppysoooo good.
19:25.30alestaneYeah, he's pretty phenomenal.
19:25.56Shirikhuh.
19:26.15LopeppeppyI can't help wondering if the larger gall is the typical heavy acrylic, or antoher material
19:26.27Shirik3.2 Players may concede a game for any reason, provided they do not accept compensation for their consession.
19:26.35ShirikIt's illegal to be paid to lose
19:26.39LopeppeppyI'll give in, but don't pay me!
19:26.49alestaneThat's usually the case, Shirik.
19:26.50Fiskeryou have been gentlemenned Shirik
19:26.57Fiskerfor free
19:27.14alestaneThe only clue your likely to get from that is the strength of refraction, Peppy.
19:27.44alestaneI'm pretty sure it's not glass, which would weigh a ton, but beyond that I'm not sure.
19:28.21Lopeppeppythe acrylic ones can be pretty heavy too.
19:28.46DagmarSo you're saying it looks 'shopped
19:29.08alestaneI don't think I said that anywhere, no.
19:29.09Shirikhaha
19:29.11Shirik3.5 Players may take any notes they wish during a match and may refer to those notes at any time, provided that note taking does not interfere with the pace of play. Any notes taken are public information, but they do not have to be understandable.
19:29.16ShirikI like the "they do not have to be understandable"
19:29.30zenzelezzhow can you have a half player?
19:29.37alestaneFor what game and theatre are these rules?
19:29.46ShirikWoW TCG
19:29.46Dagmar"Tourniquet play"
19:30.07Shirikglobal tournament rules (local through worlds)
19:30.15durcyn4.2 Hot Pockets will be provided at two hour intervals
19:30.29Shirikdurcyn: win
19:30.51sylvanaar_atworkhow many of you are going to play FFXIV
19:31.20alestaneI should probably at least run a trial account or something.
19:31.29LopeppeppyI'd prefer 4.2.1 If you cannot consume Hot Pockets, we'll throw rice cakes at your head.
19:31.39Dagmarsyvlanaar: Going to try it
19:32.03alestaneBonus points if you catch them in your mouth.
19:32.12alestanecurls up in Peppy's lap.
19:33.54sylvanaar_atworki wonder if it will allow mods
19:34.08KandokoTrying to decide if I should change storing my addons saved var file as a Lumped of strings rather than the Table version its currently in.  From testing  Im seeing a nice decrease in the time it takes wow to write out the file but not sure if its just my drives.  Anyone have any experience/performance tests on this?
19:35.07Shirikalestane: A friend of mine is a Level 2 judge for the WoW TCG and wants me to study and take the level 1 test so we can run tournaments together
19:35.28alestanePickle and unpickle it yourself, or let WoW do it for you, Kandoko.
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19:36.06alestaneMy guess is that you're just moving the operation time into a place where you're not looking for it.
19:36.58LopeppeppyShirik, t hat would be totally cool.
19:39.04alestaneSounds like fun, Shirik.
19:39.07KandokoI created two fake addons with one the current format 10MB table  the other a table with just large stringed version.   Saw a marked decrease in reload and logout times on the stringed version of around 12-15 seconds. Stopwatch timed. Load times are the same just seems wow chokes a bit trying to write out the table.
19:39.27Shirikapparently I'm allowed to play in the same tournament I judge?
19:39.31Shirikthat's ... odd
19:40.54KandokoWould never consider paying an official off
19:41.19KandokoHey shirik, have you meet my .."sister"  here... >.>
19:41.26Shirik.....
19:41.50Kandokoiz not cash payment iz not illegal rights ;)
19:42.51DagmarIt's only wrong if the card is declined.
19:43.11Fiskerslaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout
19:44.25Fiskerlol
19:44.37Fiskersomeone almost killed the whole raid by pulling the prince council
19:44.46Fiskerbecause we got the movement debuff
19:45.36DagmarChin up.  They'll get it next time around.
19:45.59Fiskerit was quite spectacular
19:46.05Fiskersomeone singlehandedly killed like half the raid
19:46.20Fiskerkinetic orb + vortex + empowered fireball = fail
19:47.08Dagmar#@$%#$%#
19:47.17Dagmarhttp://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=13012574
19:47.24DagmarI'm fucking moving
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19:48.47Shirikso I finally realized
19:48.50Shirikmy internet doesn't suck at all
19:49.00Shirikit's just that the DNS server has like 10 second latency
19:50.04durcynthis is why i run my own recursive server
19:50.15DagmarSame here
19:50.38DagmarThe resonse times on Comcast's DNS servers are five times what a local resolver will do
19:51.31Dagmar...even telling them to query comcast's DNS servers first it's a lot faster
19:51.33TC-Work8.8.8.8
19:52.24Fisker45 Shirik
19:52.31Fiskerand 8.8.4.4
19:52.37LopeppeppyTime Warner throttling breaks my brain.
19:52.58DagmarShirik: You didn't know that one of the "tricks" involved in those "Internet Optimizer" things that actually works is that it sets up a local cache-only named?
19:53.31DagmarESPECIALLY on high-latency connections, having DNS queries only take 2ms instead of 200 makes the connection feel a lot more responsive to browsers
19:53.56ShirikDNS should diaf
19:54.01DagmarLopeppeppy: You should try AT&T.  It's like talking to a wall.  A stupid wall.
19:54.01Shirikoh crap do I have a meeting at 1
19:54.22Shirikyes I do
19:54.24Shirikgotta go bai
19:54.25TC-Workwest coast again Shirik?
19:54.28Shirikyes
19:54.58Fiskerwhat is throttling anywho Lopeppeppy?
19:54.59DagmarLopeppeppy: We've an OOB DSL connection in the office to monitor our connectivity.  Two weeks ago, AT&T muffed it and put a packet filter on our connection preventing outbound 25/tcp to anywhere but their mail servers.
19:54.59FiskerHOHO
19:55.04DagmarTwo _weeks_ ago.
19:55.22LunessaDagmar: yuk
19:55.33DagmarMy patience officially runs out on Monday and I start dealing with AT&T the way that I know works.
19:55.58ArrowmasterDagmar: it is a business line right?
19:56.03DagmarYes, it is.
19:56.07Arrowmasterwtf
19:56.13DagmarExactly.
19:56.23Arrowmasterwith a static ip?
19:56.30DagmarYep.
19:56.44Arrowmasteryeah go make heads roll
19:57.31DagmarI shoudl just call Carol Darks and have her send a warning note to someone
19:57.40Dagmar"THIS GUY WILL CALL YOU AT HOME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT!  FIX IT!"
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19:59.23durcynFisker: using google's dns fucks up akamai results
20:00.08Arrowmasterdurcyn: they should be using anycast imho
20:00.49durcynpreaching to the choir
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20:03.48Lopeppeppysing for us, durcyn!
20:04.15Fiskerlol 30% damage buff
20:04.15TC-Workno. please dont.
20:04.26Fiskertook BQ heroic with the first bitten being a retard
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20:07.30TC-Workyou were first bitten then Fisker ?
20:07.52Krapswhere'd all the plastic spoons go?
20:08.05Fiskernaw TC-Work
20:09.47Krapsthere is no plastic spoon
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20:12.04alestaneSo, I am liking the challenge missions in SC2...I might actually learn some micro this way.
20:12.26cog|workagreed
20:12.36Fiskerdisagreed
20:12.46Lopeppeppyyar
20:12.47cog|workdisyourmomed
20:13.02Fiskerouch'd
20:16.22Krapsjerk'd
20:19.03Fisker46 Kraps :(
20:19.24Kraps46?
20:20.11Fisker46
20:20.24Kraps46?
20:20.38Fisker46
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20:20.51Kraps46?
20:20.55Fiskerjerk
20:20.58Fisker46 
20:21.32Kraps46?
20:21.38Fisker46 
20:22.28Kraps46?
20:22.33Fisker46  
20:23.06Kraps46?
20:23.17Fisker46 shadowmourne shards
20:23.54Krapsah
20:24.28Krapsyour guild gives you shards?
20:24.39Fiskerof course
20:24.55Krapsare you blackmailing the RL?
20:25.37Fiskerno
20:28.43Krapsyou think you'll complete it before cata Fisker?
20:29.01Fiskeri'll complete it in a week obviously
20:29.19alestanewaves buh-bye to Peppy.
20:29.55Krapsi lol'd
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20:31.06alestanemight have acted prematurely.
20:31.28Krapshey Fisker
20:31.51NightHawkTheSanealestane: well, everyone leaves eventually :(
20:32.15Fiskerhey Kraps
20:32.31Krapshow many shard did you need?
20:32.58Fisker4
20:33.29Kraps4?
20:33.32Fisker4
20:33.48Kraps4?
20:33.53Fiskerlopeppeppy saw where this was going
20:33.56Fisker4 shadowfrost shards
20:34.15alestaneOkay, was only 4 minutes early.
20:34.20Kraps4?
20:34.39Fisker4 shadowfrost shards
20:35.05Krapswhat do you need four for?
20:35.10Krapscwutidid
20:40.29StanzillaFisker: had 4 last id, too
20:40.32Stanzillafail++
20:40.42Stanzillaoh need
20:40.43Stanzillanot got
20:40.46Stanzilla*vanish*
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20:41.55KrapsStanzilla: l2troll
20:42.43PitPandais there anywhere a good addon ui tutorial without using xml?
20:43.55malrethi feel stupider every time i argue with some damned idiot birther
20:47.18malrethloves Fisker anyways
20:48.30Fiskerhey malreth
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21:08.02Adyshttp://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GoogleOpenSourceBlog/~3/egEfoWQI3sU/ready-set-go.html
21:08.05Adysa talk about go
21:08.07Adysits been a while.
21:10.03Lunessamalreth: Are people really STILL on about that?  I guess Abe Lincoln really did fight vampires and monsters with a ray gun...
21:15.28zenzelezzso from VLC 1.1.1 to 1.1.2, they made some sort of change that made the "Add Folder" give an error about a path separator on the first character (when trying to add files on a network share)... in 1.1.3 they "fixed" this... now it doesn't give me an error, it just silently doesn't add anything
21:15.30zenzelezzscore!
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21:17.08DagmarThis OMFG guy wins at voice-over, but fails at questing
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21:18.39alestaneStubborn person is stubborn: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14133093955&sid=1
21:20.19malrethWow... the WoW forums still exist?
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21:21.17alestaneDid you suppose they had vanished behind the event horizon of RealID exposure.
21:21.19alestane?
21:22.15alestane'Shown here is the undead warlock atop a faithful steed (in this case, "faithful" is synonymous with "enslaved demon") as actualized by Yiding.'
21:22.34malrethalestane: no, i just assume that anything that i get bored with eventually ceases to exist
21:22.48malreththat's why tem is no longer here
21:25.44alestane~seen tem
21:25.50purltem is currently on #wowprogramming #wowuidev #wowace, last said: 'ISNULL may do what you want'.
21:25.51Lunessaalestane: indeedy
21:26.23alestaneIndeedy, Lunessa?
21:26.36Lunessastubborn guy is stubborn
21:29.09alestaneIndeed, it's you he's being stubborn at.
21:31.28alestaneHe seems to have capitulated somewhat.
21:36.34AdysCide, are you here?
21:36.44Cideyes
21:37.08Adyshttp://paste2.org/p/955686 line 161, why is a += used instead of an = ? what's the author trying to do?
21:37.51Adysor, hm
21:38.08Adysit adds the bytes to each other or?
21:39.36Adyslike a python eq would be new[newpos + i] = chr(ord(new[newpos + i]) + ord(old[oldpos + i]))
21:39.57Krapshttp://www.cracked.com/article_18693_5-bizarre-ways-your-siblings-made-you-who-you-are.html
21:41.30MaldiviaAdys: still working on your bin patcher?
21:41.49Adysi finished it but it's giving me a few corrupt bits here and there
21:41.55Maldiviaohh
21:42.05Adysand i think this is the culprit
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21:42.46Adysright now i just do if (oldpos + i >= 0) and (oldpos + i < oldsize): new[newpos + i] = old[oldpos + i]
21:42.56Adysbut i realized that just completely copies old to new
21:43.07Adysdisregarding any data there would already be
21:43.27Maldiviayeah, you need more like the previous string
21:43.47Maldiviais there a reason you're you're using chr and ord, instead of just "raw" bytes ?
21:44.09Adysyeah, the code is shit
21:44.15AdysIm emulating this implementation
21:44.20Adysthen cleaning it up
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22:06.18AdysMaldivia: and it works
22:06.19Adys\p/
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22:10.03Maldiviawee :P
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22:10.34Maldiviaso decompress, patch, rinse, repeat?
22:12.31nicoli_sAdys:what is that for?
22:13.02Adysnicoli_s, blizzard's PTCH format
22:13.13nicoli_sahh
22:13.17nicoli_ssounds like fun
22:13.33AdysMaldivia: yeah it's just a rle-packed bsdiff inside a container format
22:13.46MaldiviaAdys: yeah, found out that much as well :P
22:14.05Maldiviabut haven't had the time to actually code anything the last 2-3 weeks
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22:24.30Krapshttp://www.cracked.com/funny-4592-coworkers/
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22:38.52Shirik_adios and vaya con dios
22:40.18kd3wtfs at the intel-mcafee deal
22:40.54LunessaIntel has a history of buying software companies and then destroying them.
22:41.15kd3ya... but a security vendor?
22:41.45Lunessa*nod*
22:41.48LunessaA shitty one.
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22:44.46Krapsthinks he'll go read a book while his sister-in-law watches a rom-com on the computer
22:48.54Shirik_kd3: Maybe intel is trying to put us out of our misery
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22:56.50bluspacecowhttp://www.spheredev.org/wiki/Git_for_the_lazy
22:56.52bluspacecowlolz
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23:09.37Krapsso time DOES speed up with age
23:10.40Krapshttp://everything2.com/user/Professor%20Pi/writeups/Why%20time%20appears%20to%20speed%20up%20with%20age
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23:23.53Shirik_I love calculus Kraps
23:24.05cog|workme too
23:24.23Krapsi have no idea about that but the point is true
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23:28.30alestaneCairenn (et al.): http://notalwaysright.com/yukon-freeze-it/6613
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23:30.25Shirik_Cairenn|afk totally owns an igloo
23:31.38Krapshow does she prevent it from melting?
23:41.34Shirik_Fisker lives in it
23:41.37Shirik_he's as cold as ice
23:42.32theorbtwoHe's willing to comprimise his love.
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