| 00:02.19 | TC-Work | wall of text crit |
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| 00:05.36 | Jerub | Cide: so i actually got a coherant response from my post in the bug report forum |
| 00:05.46 | Jerub | amazing. |
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| 00:05.54 | Jerub | too bad it's not a blue one :( |
| 00:06.08 | Cide | nice |
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| 00:23.45 | Adys | Arrowmaster: btw, I just compiled transmission again, they added lots of options since last time |
| 00:23.52 | Adys | i was on 1.92, running 2.10 now |
| 00:25.31 | erikd | i think they're gonna be adding more character slots per server soon |
| 00:26.03 | erikd | i had a glitch that showed up and down arrows below the list on the character select screen |
| 00:26.07 | Xyphoid | at a small cost |
| 00:28.09 | Cralor` | Any idea where Blizzard holds StarCraft 2's Breaking News HTML? |
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| 00:32.40 | Cide | on their servers, Cralor` |
| 00:35.15 | TC-Work | Shirik: #26 you old old man http://gizmodo.com/5615213/a-strange-glimpse-into-the-world-of-todays-digital-youth |
| 00:35.37 | Shirik | THAT IS A LIE |
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| 00:35.58 | sylvanaar | man the ruby support in intelliJ is awesome |
| 00:36.13 | sylvanaar | or RubyMine - either one |
| 00:36.16 | TC-Work | says you Shirik, says you |
| 00:36.55 | Shirik | #19 I think might be true about me actually |
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| 00:42.46 | erikd | even the voip phone i have on my desk at work has a handset wire |
| 00:43.16 | erikd | sylvanaar: does it work well with rails? |
| 00:43.22 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 00:43.46 | erikd | i want to get into rails but i'd really like some code hints while i'm learning |
| 00:44.37 | Cralor` | Cide: I was hoping for a URL ;) |
| 00:45.14 | Cide | wouldn't that be convenient? |
| 00:45.17 | erikd | ooh, it supports rvm |
| 00:45.20 | Cralor` | yes |
| 00:45.21 | Cralor` | :P |
| 00:45.24 | Jerub | http://www.beloit.edu/mindset/2014.php |
| 00:45.26 | Jerub | i love this list |
| 00:46.11 | erikd | is #1 true? |
| 00:46.30 | erikd | i didn't know they stopped teaching cursive |
| 00:47.46 | Cralor` | it is... but then forgotteb |
| 00:47.51 | Cralor` | forgotten |
| 00:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 00:48.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Work is making me keep my blackberry :( |
| 00:50.56 | erikd | keep it? |
| 00:51.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, their bby, their data service |
| 00:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | But now I have to keep it |
| 00:56.02 | Shirik | this is a problem because? |
| 00:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I get 400+ emails on a slow day |
| 00:56.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And another 100 while I sleep |
| 00:56.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And blackberries suck |
| 00:56.34 | erikd | blah, what do you do for work? |
| 00:56.47 | ScytheBlade1 | computer remediation and provisioning |
| 00:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, computer is a bad term |
| 00:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | "general technical" would be a better phrase |
| 00:57.27 | erikd | so you're... a hardware guy? |
| 00:57.38 | ScytheBlade1 | other side |
| 00:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | all software |
| 00:57.46 | erikd | ah |
| 00:58.00 | Kraps | 19. They never twisted the coiled handset wire aimlessly around their wrists while chatting on the phone. |
| 00:58.04 | Kraps | wow |
| 00:58.13 | Kraps | thats like, old |
| 00:58.24 | erikd | so you work on setting up new hardware to get it into production? |
| 00:58.56 | erikd | i'd go crazy if i had that many emails a day |
| 01:06.16 | Dagmar | If I got less than that, it would be a sign that big chunks of the internet are offline |
| 01:06.29 | Kraps | does mmoc/wowhead count mousing over a popup on some website as a pageview? |
| 01:13.54 | Kraps | http://io9.com/5585549/the-greatest-rant-youll-see-this-week-world-war-ii-is-full-of-plot-holes-and-the-writers-should-all-be-fired |
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| 01:30.14 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Only a little worse than me |
| 01:30.22 | Shirik | but I have filters for most emails |
| 01:30.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm maxing out the rule size limitations of my exchange server |
| 01:31.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I also have (literally) 12 layers of management above me watching this very closely |
| 01:39.33 | Wobin | http://www.getacoder.com/projects/solve%20p%20vs%20np_132036.html |
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| 01:57.37 | sylvanaar | i hate that site - its sad to see how cheaply people will work for |
| 01:58.21 | sylvanaar | at least for the real projects |
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| 02:08.59 | Kraps | http://squid314.livejournal.com/275614.html |
| 02:11.18 | Jerub | http://imgur.com/94ePv.jpg |
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| 02:13.00 | Kraps | Jerub: so what happened to the first billy? |
| 02:13.17 | ktron | hey guys, just figured I'd pop in here, I haven't done any addon development since vanilla and maybe a little in BC; did LuaSlinger or LuaPad or such live through to WOTLK? Or For All Indents and Purposes? I'm struggling to find what happened to them |
| 02:13.18 | the-golem | sylvanaar: http://www.authenticjobs.com/ |
| 02:14.09 | the-golem | goes back into hiding |
| 02:20.31 | ktron | anyone know of any ingame lua editors? |
| 02:23.02 | the-golem | ktron: theres one around, but I can't recall it offhand |
| 02:23.08 | the-golem | I'll see if I can find it |
| 02:23.52 | ktron | the-golem, I remember there being like 3-4 back in the day; luaslinger and luapad are the two I remember most, but I think there was a third that I used to use that made it possible to trigger lua scripts on keybindings... |
| 02:24.34 | the-golem | ktron: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7366-WowLua.html |
| 02:25.03 | ktron | the-golem, awesome, that'd be one! |
| 02:25.07 | ktron | the-golem, thanks! |
| 02:25.33 | Dagmar | Wobin: That's truly awesome trolling there |
| 02:26.01 | Dagmar | "I can do this for you in php or javascript. If you want this work in one language, I can charge less." |
| 02:26.03 | Dagmar | rofl |
| 02:27.16 | Dagmar | coil: From who? |
| 02:28.07 | Wobin | Dagmar: I like Fermat's response =P |
| 02:29.22 | Dagmar | Hehe yeah |
| 02:29.55 | Dagmar | Some of those guys really don't know when they're in over their heads |
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| 02:31.54 | Dagmar | At least one dude recognizes the problem.. the one who put in the half-a-mil bid |
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| 02:33.25 | Wobin | He's not doing too badly, if he succeeds, he gets the full mill, and the client gets half a mil |
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| 03:27.45 | kd3 | lmao. the new quest line in swamp of sorrows is playing out like a RTS mission. killing orc warriors and the peons to cut their supply gathering rate |
| 03:28.05 | kd3 | though I suppose it's intentional... one of the quests is called "Orcs and Humans" |
| 03:28.24 | Jerub | ... |
| 03:28.27 | Jerub | <3 |
| 03:28.47 | kd3 | rofl, one of the follow-ups is called "Tides of Darkness" |
| 03:28.56 | Dagmar | A not-so-subtle reminder that you're playing a big-ass RTS |
| 03:28.59 | Dagmar | I like it |
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| 03:43.40 | Thunder_Child | i wish i was playing a 'bigg-ass rts' |
| 03:44.35 | Thunder_Child | i have played and beat every good rts out there....with the exception of SC2, because i am playing through on brutal and trying to get all the achives |
| 03:44.41 | Dagmar | kd3: I wonder how many newbs won't get it |
| 03:44.44 | Thunder_Child | and it is kicking my ass |
| 03:44.48 | kd3 | probably most of them |
| 03:45.29 | Dagmar | I know a couple of guys locally who thought WoW's graphics were weak when it came out, because they were used to EQ2's crazy-quilt of varying styles |
| 03:45.50 | Dagmar | I had to fire up WCIII and zoom the camera in near a blacksmiths and say "WHAT DO YOU SEE HERE?" |
| 03:46.36 | Dagmar | Makes ya wanna strangle some young'uns |
| 03:47.47 | Jerub | Dagmar: i don't understand |
| 03:51.22 | kd3 | blacksmith building in wc3? looks a hell of a lot like the blacksmith building in wow... |
| 03:55.40 | Jerub | okay, i basically don't understand the train of thought. |
| 04:06.35 | Dagmar | Jerub: They were carping about how all the buildings look the same, like it was some kind of elaborate ploy to avoid creating new meshes |
| 04:07.06 | Dagmar | I was arguing that they were reacting out of ignorance because all the constructed buildings in the Warcraft world _always_ looked the same |
| 04:07.46 | Dagmar | One of the nifty things about WoW is that you're thrust into a world that is essentially that same place, just blown up so that you fit right into it instead of staring at it from overhead |
| 04:08.24 | Dagmar | So _yeah_ there's going to be a lot of buildings that look alike because that's how the humans build their blacksmiths, and how the dwarves build their forges, etc etc |
| 04:08.41 | Dagmar | er s/blacksmiths/smithys/ |
| 04:09.06 | Dagmar | Lumber mills? Check. |
| 04:09.10 | Xyphoid | what was that Red Alert FPS that worked like that |
| 04:09.27 | Xyphoid | you walked around inside command and conquer buildings or something |
| 04:09.37 | Xyphoid | hm, maybe it was C&C not red alert |
| 04:09.43 | Dagmar | No idea but I'll probably go looking for it later because I imagine it looks pretty cool |
| 04:10.30 | Yssaril | Command & Conquer Renegade |
| 04:12.39 | Yssaril | wasn't all that great imo |
| 04:14.05 | kd3 | whee watching people all leave /beta at the same time because the world server crashes |
| 04:18.04 | kd3 | huh. was 8/12 done killing lost ones and the quest got dropped after the world server crash. odd |
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| 04:25.20 | Dagmar | No one's going to miss 'em if you kill a few more |
| 04:27.55 | Dashkal_ | You have a dirty mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM |
| 04:33.10 | Fisker | a |
| 04:33.24 | Zhinjio | hrm |
| 04:33.37 | Zhinjio | there was a way to get wow to *not* use server based settings |
| 04:33.49 | Zhinjio | I'm playing my wife's toon occasioanlly, and don't want to change her settings |
| 04:34.03 | Zhinjio | anyone remember that or should I go look it up? |
| 04:34.35 | Arrowmaster | there are some cvars |
| 04:34.42 | Zhinjio | right... |
| 04:34.50 | kd3 | [[Console variables]] |
| 04:34.56 | Arrowmaster | they used to be in a sticky on the forums |
| 04:35.02 | kd3 | ...er, http://www.wowwiki.com/Console_variables |
| 04:36.20 | Zhinjio | synchronizeSettings |
| 04:36.25 | Zhinjio | looking for others |
| 04:37.20 | Zhinjio | I vaguely recall there being more than one |
| 04:37.38 | Arrowmaster | there are |
| 04:39.20 | Fisker | i am sick kd3 |
| 04:39.45 | Dagmar | Get her a nice haircut the next time |
| 04:41.32 | Zhinjio | synchronizeBindings = |
| 04:41.32 | Zhinjio | synchronizeConfig = |
| 04:41.32 | Zhinjio | synchronizeMacros = |
| 04:41.32 | Zhinjio | synchronizeSettings = "1" |
| 04:41.36 | Zhinjio | I think thats complete |
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| 04:57.24 | kd3 | whoa. no green whelps at what was itharius' cavern |
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| 05:02.46 | Dagmar | Someone needs to fire that damn PA |
| 05:04.42 | Fisker | :( |
| 05:04.47 | Fisker | i'm just gonna feel like shit kd3 |
| 05:05.19 | Fisker | i even thought it was 0E:60 |
| 05:05.28 | Fisker | but it was just 6:30 |
| 05:05.29 | Fisker | jerks |
| 05:05.43 | Fisker | btw kd3 |
| 05:05.51 | Fisker | will you also install cataclysm using only cds? |
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| 05:06.10 | kd3 | no? last time I checked wrath didn't even ship on CDs |
| 05:06.36 | Fisker | cataclysm will |
| 05:06.39 | Fisker | http://www.wow-europe.com/cataclysm/_images/features/collector/backplate_large.jpg |
| 05:07.08 | unfo- | digital download ftw |
| 05:08.23 | Fisker | it was awesome right kd3 ? |
| 05:14.58 | Jerub | so it turns out i'm an idiot |
| 05:15.05 | Jerub | i put together a feral dps set the other day |
| 05:15.26 | Jerub | i failed to notice that when wearing my dps pieces something was missing |
| 05:15.28 | Jerub | 'hit rating' |
| 05:15.33 | Jerub | guess what my hit rating was. |
| 05:15.38 | kd3 | 0? |
| 05:16.17 | Jerub | :D |
| 05:16.18 | Jerub | yep |
| 05:16.19 | Jerub | sigh |
| 05:16.25 | Jerub | overcapped expertise tho |
| 05:16.56 | Fisker | stop hating me kd3 |
| 05:17.05 | kd3 | it's not my fault you're sick |
| 05:18.16 | olafski | heh pointy haired boss is going for a steve jobs look :> |
| 05:18.20 | Fisker | my cataclysm thing with cd was hilarious kd3 :( |
| 05:20.10 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 05:20.21 | Fisker | lololol |
| 05:20.31 | Fisker | laurence fishbourne's daughter is in a porn movie |
| 05:20.44 | Fisker | so now i can fap to his daughter while thinking of him |
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| 05:40.05 | ccox | guess realm maintenance affected more realms than listed.... |
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| 06:25.05 | zenzio | "InfoWorld's Christina Tynan-Wood reports on 7 emerging technologies and strategies that could make tech support less of a living hell for those in need of a fix. Augmented reality, self-healing systems, robot surrogates, avatar support â most seem the stuff of science fiction, but many are much closer than we might expect." |
| 06:25.14 | zenzio | avatar support? Did we learn nothing from Clippy? |
| 06:31.01 | Dashkal | Does anybody know offhand what the windows 7 equiv of sudo is? I want to run netstat elevated. |
| 06:31.30 | Jerub | Dashkal: funnily enough, i do. |
| 06:31.50 | Dashkal | :P I figured it was a long shot, but sweet |
| 06:32.41 | Jerub | Dashkal: the run dialog (hit start menu, type 'run') has the option to run programs with admin privileges |
| 06:33.11 | Dashkal | ahh, and I should be able to run cmd that way so I can actually get netstat to work? |
| 06:33.38 | Fisker | btw kd3 |
| 06:33.38 | Maldivia | Dashkal: start, type cmd, rightclick the command prompt item and select run as admi |
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| 06:34.11 | Dashkal | perfect. danke |
| 06:35.12 | Dashkal | sweet. at least that's working |
| 06:35.57 | Jerub | Dashkal: :) |
| 06:36.22 | Dashkal | Now if I could just get windows 7 to let my virtual machine at :8118 I'll be set. |
| 06:37.24 | Fisker | lol |
| 06:37.27 | Fisker | i fail pretty hard |
| 06:38.41 | Fisker | kd3 i need a womanizer so i can get some help with linux |
| 06:39.43 | Jerub | Fisker: that doesn't make any sense. |
| 06:40.14 | Fisker | Woman and Linux are both hard to understand |
| 06:40.15 | Fisker | bam |
| 06:40.22 | Fisker | Women* |
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| 06:40.32 | Jerub | Fisker: you don't need to understand them to linuxeriser them |
| 06:41.26 | Fisker | Need to find out if i can somehow simply make rsync fail if the place it's writing to isn't mounted properly |
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| 06:45.41 | Dagmar | zenzio: But it's _Infoworld_, so the science-fictiony parts are right up their alley anyway |
| 06:52.50 | Shirik | 415.3 If text refers to a playerâs deck, itâs referring to the pile of cards from which he draws. |
| 06:52.53 | Shirik | No shit |
| 06:52.59 | Shirik | does there really need to be a rule for this? |
| 06:53.20 | zenzio | rules are like laws |
| 06:53.29 | zenzio | if they're not utterly explicit, someone will claim it's ambiguous |
| 06:53.47 | Dagmar | Oh yeah |
| 06:53.57 | Dagmar | CCG players *loooove* their loopholes |
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| 06:54.39 | Dagmar | I remember hearing about one Magic tournament that I *think* was at Dragon*con where someone played a card in a completely unorthodox manner, winning the game. |
| 06:54.39 | Jerub | uh huh |
| 06:54.39 | Shirik | 415.4a Each hand zone contains the cards a player has drawn. Cards in hand are not public, but each |
| 06:54.40 | Shirik | player may look at his hand at any time. The number of cards in each hand is public. |
| 06:54.47 | Shirik | Gee, I thought I wasn't allowed to look at my hand |
| 06:55.03 | Dagmar | Some rare-ass card that was called "Orb of Chaos" or something and had a eBay value that wasn't even funny. Dude had several of them. |
| 06:55.04 | Jerub | Dagmar: the "throw up hte card and everything it lands on is out of play" story? |
| 06:55.12 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 06:55.19 | Shirik | lmao |
| 06:55.22 | Shirik | that's an awesome card |
| 06:55.29 | Dagmar | It wasn't "thrown up". You're supposed to toss the card at the other player's field, whatever it touches is dead. |
| 06:55.29 | unfo- | wat :D |
| 06:55.46 | Shirik | so what did he do? |
| 06:55.55 | Dagmar | This dude _tore the expensive card to shreds_ in front of everyone, cupped the pieces in both hands, and _blew them across the table_ |
| 06:56.01 | Jerub | doesn't the story end with, "and then he had only 59 cards in his desk and therefore forfeited the game" |
| 06:56.01 | Shirik | lmfao |
| 06:56.23 | Dagmar | It was ruled by the judges that he won, and was immediately declared an explicitly invalid thing to do with the card |
| 06:56.24 | Jerub | Dagmar: local gaming store had novelty sized versions of that card, about the size of an a3 sheet |
| 06:56.25 | zenzio | Dagmar: that's awesome |
| 06:56.37 | Shirik | that is quite epic |
| 06:56.43 | Dagmar | zenzio: Yeah I don't think he'd have gotten away with it if he wasn't shredding a horribly rare card |
| 06:56.59 | unfo- | lol :D |
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| 06:57.47 | Jerub | when i tell the story it ends up with the guy automatically forfeiting for not having 60 cards in his deck. |
| 06:57.53 | Jerub | becasue that's the way it was told ot me. |
| 06:57.58 | Dagmar | It's not a "story" tho, it actually happened |
| 06:58.15 | Dagmar | I had peeps going all boggle-eyed about it when they came back |
| 06:59.11 | zenzio | is it just me, or does the "Read more" links on Slashdot not seem to work right now? |
| 06:59.12 | Jerub | 'Chaos Orb' |
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| 07:00.24 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 07:01.25 | unfo- | haha. haven't seen that emote in years |
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| 07:06.37 | Shirik | 601.2e If a proposed attacker or defender breaks any rules governing combat legality, the proposed |
| 07:06.37 | Shirik | combat is illegal and canât be proposed. |
| 07:06.51 | Shirik | you can not argue that we need a law saying "If you broke the law, then you broke the law" |
| 07:07.22 | unfo- | :D |
| 07:07.44 | unfo- | I've found a guilty pleasure reading ToS of various services too |
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| 07:08.11 | unfo- | there're stupenduous amounts of idiotic things hidden there amongst the legalese |
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| 07:23.09 | mitch0 | zenzio: /. seems to be broken atm |
| 07:23.27 | zenzio | mitch0: cheers, wasn't sure if I'd broken my browser somehow :) |
| 07:23.31 | mitch0 | I think they only have a static start page running or sumtin. login doesn't work either |
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| 07:27.13 | Fisker | i came Shirik |
| 07:27.14 | Fisker | for free |
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| 08:16.58 | Arrowmaster | so currently i am running a .net 3.5 app on windows inside virtualbox on my linux system, i have a usb drive on the host system and just the directory is shared to the windows vm in virtualbox, the program i am running on windows is to access the xbox360 filesystem on the usb drive, which is really just a fat32 filesystem with 6 or so special files on it taking up all the space being used as the other fi |
| 08:17.04 | Arrowmaster | lesystem |
| 08:17.14 | Arrowmaster | its slow as fuck |
| 08:17.33 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 08:17.48 | Arrowmaster | but when im done i should have free dlc for fallout3 |
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| 09:02.10 | Fisker | naw Arrowmaster |
| 09:02.17 | Fisker | what the fuck are you doing anyway? |
| 09:02.29 | Fisker | you hake xbox dlc? |
| 09:04.59 | cbreak_work | Arrowmaster: why not mono? some windows guy I flamewared with recently said it's fully .net compatible |
| 09:05.10 | Arrowmaster | lol its not |
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| 09:05.39 | Arrowmaster | although this program was apparently created by a guy on linux using mono but i have absolutely no fucking idea how to run it in mono and i dont even have mono installed |
| 09:06.06 | cbreak_work | probably something like mono virus.exe |
| 09:06.06 | Arrowmaster | i just created a snapshot of my VM, installed .net 3.5 and used the program and then reverted back to the snapshot |
| 09:09.15 | Fisker | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/eaaa544c-7cc6-4490-bd8d-dd5dca3e2a1b.jpg |
| 09:09.38 | Fisker | anyway Arrowmaster |
| 09:09.44 | Fisker | are you trying to hack dlc on your bawks? |
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| 09:10.32 | Arrowmaster | wasnt hacking all i had to do was copy it over |
| 09:10.44 | Arrowmaster | its what they get for putting out DLC on dvds you can buy in stores |
| 09:13.12 | Fisker | you can basically do the same for PC as well |
| 09:13.20 | Fisker | just copy the data files and enable them in the options :D |
| 09:13.39 | Fisker | (It's nicer too since i don't like my 2-3GB of DLC on a SSD) |
| 09:14.02 | Fisker | i would've thought that with xbawks they had atleast done some DRM on it or shit |
| 09:14.32 | Arrowmaster | they do |
| 09:14.50 | Arrowmaster | normally you cant copy DLC unless you have a JTAG'd console |
| 09:15.18 | Fisker | So it's because of their new usb stick support or something? |
| 09:15.44 | Arrowmaster | no its because those DLCs were released on dvd in stores |
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| 09:19.56 | kaso | DLCs released in stores? So basically just an expansion pack? |
| 09:20.04 | kaso | its not really Downloadable if its on a dvd |
| 09:20.15 | Arrowmaster | its both |
| 09:20.44 | Arrowmaster | you can download it or you can buy it in a store and put the disc in your console and copy it to your harddrive |
| 09:22.19 | Fisker | by todays standards DLC is basically just a patch |
| 09:36.11 | Adys | Shirik |
| 09:36.11 | kaso | some DLCs area really good, some are terrible |
| 09:36.16 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/xKWRY |
| 09:36.17 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/SAyPv |
| 09:36.22 | kaso | for example the $15 map-pack for MW2 |
| 09:36.35 | Adys | python is a compression algorithm for C/C++ |
| 09:36.46 | Kalroth | Adys: C++ is faster though! |
| 09:36.59 | Adys | But C is so much easier to write on the keyboard |
| 09:39.38 | Arrowmaster | Adys: but the C code is commented |
| 09:40.05 | Kalroth | Adys: http://www.pastethat.com/nmddZ see this is much nicer |
| 09:40.46 | Adys | Kalroth: wtf language is that |
| 09:40.51 | Kalroth | pascal! |
| 09:41.19 | Zhinjio | omg |
| 09:41.23 | Zhinjio | that was my first language |
| 09:41.29 | Zhinjio | sheds a quiet tear |
| 09:41.32 | Adys | also Kalroth it's not exactly rle.unpack |
| 09:41.36 | Adys | it's a blizzardy version |
| 09:41.43 | Kalroth | oh |
| 09:42.16 | Adys | Kalroth: they modify like everything |
| 09:42.43 | Adys | since ive been working on this patcher, i hit like 5 different "standard" algos that have been retard-forked |
| 09:43.34 | Kalroth | byte = ord(byte) <- what does this do in Python |
| 09:43.35 | Adys | retard-forked meaning, some blizz guy saw the article on wikipedia and decided to implement it by himself without getting a lib, and then gave up halfway through and thought "Eh better than nothing" |
| 09:43.47 | Adys | Kalroth: string to integer |
| 09:43.49 | Adys | ish |
| 09:44.03 | Adys | gives the ordinal of the given char |
| 09:44.04 | Kalroth | oh, so data.read() returns character(s) |
| 09:44.11 | Adys | yes, file-like input |
| 09:44.33 | Kalroth | wouldn't "byte = ord(data.read(1))" be more correct then?! |
| 09:45.24 | Adys | Kalroth: No, because when it reaches EOF, it returns an empty string, and you can't ord() an empty string |
| 09:45.39 | Adys | which is what the while check is for, it checks truthness of byte, in this case whether it's empty or not |
| 09:45.40 | Kalroth | so byte is a string, not a character! |
| 09:45.42 | Adys | which means |
| 09:45.44 | Adys | "while eof" |
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| 09:45.59 | Adys | theres no character type in python, there are 1-char strings |
| 09:46.08 | Kalroth | what happens if you do data.read(2) and then do ord(byte) on those 2 characters |
| 09:46.25 | Adys | TypeError: ord() expected a character, but string of length 3 found |
| 09:46.32 | Kalroth | silly |
| 09:46.32 | Adys | >>> ord("abc") |
| 09:46.50 | Kalroth | can you select a single character in the string? |
| 09:46.51 | Arrowmaster | its probably to keep python from trying to convert them to unicode |
| 09:46.57 | Kalroth | like byte[1] or something |
| 09:47.01 | Adys | Sure |
| 09:47.08 | Arrowmaster | byte or char? |
| 09:47.16 | Arrowmaster | THERE IS A DIFFERENCE! |
| 09:47.20 | Kalroth | well adys names his strings byte |
| 09:47.25 | Kalroth | so dunno |
| 09:47.43 | Adys | i have brownies |
| 09:47.44 | Adys | fuck off. |
| 09:47.48 | Arrowmaster | haha |
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| 09:48.10 | Arrowmaster | we need that in the topic |
| 09:48.13 | Kalroth | but then you could do: byte = ord((data.read(1) + "\0")[1]) |
| 09:48.20 | Kalroth | and check against \0 in the loop! |
| 09:48.24 | Arrowmaster | <Adys> i have brownies <Adys> fuck off. |
| 09:49.05 | Adys | Kalroth: first of all, that would always return \0 since [1] is the second char in the string (0 being first) |
| 09:49.19 | Adys | and second of all that makes no sense |
| 09:49.22 | Kalroth | wat |
| 09:49.36 | Kalroth | well then do: byte = ord((data.read(1) + "\0")[0]) |
| 09:49.43 | Kalroth | and it makes a lot of sense |
| 09:49.58 | Kalroth | if data.read(1) returns '' then ()[0] is \0 |
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| 09:50.18 | Adys | ah |
| 09:50.23 | Adys | why the fuck would i do that |
| 09:50.23 | Kalroth | of course the rle could be \0 too :P |
| 09:50.24 | Adys | .. |
| 09:50.39 | Kalroth | well you're putting a character into a string and then converting it to a byte |
| 09:50.45 | Kalroth | fuck knows why you do as you do! |
| 09:51.31 | Kalroth | cant you do: while byte = ord(data.read(1)) |
| 09:51.40 | Adys | Im reading one char off a stringio, while that char is not empty I do stuff with it, then I read the next char and go back to while |
| 09:52.04 | Kalroth | yes but you throw conversions all over the place, making needless memory allocations and slowing down things! |
| 09:52.15 | Arrowmaster | im trying to remember what language i saw that had strings as UTF8 and chars as UTF16 or UTF32 |
| 09:52.31 | Adys | java |
| 09:52.33 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: ouch, why would anyoen do that |
| 09:52.41 | cbreak_work | weird behavior |
| 09:52.49 | cbreak_work | C++ of course can do it |
| 09:53.01 | Arrowmaster | well so you can have chars larger than 1byte |
| 09:53.07 | Kalroth | sure |
| 09:53.23 | Adys | Kalroth: I have to convert the char read into a byte anyway |
| 09:53.47 | Adys | actually, maybe i can read one byte off a file |
| 09:53.47 | Adys | sec |
| 09:54.06 | Adys | http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#file-objects |
| 09:54.12 | Arrowmaster | most of the good and or popular languages seem to either have strings being plain ascii or lack a separate char type |
| 09:54.42 | cbreak_work | in C++ it's templated, you can make strings out of doubles if you want. |
| 09:54.46 | Adys | hmm nop |
| 09:54.47 | cbreak_work | I doubt it'll be useful |
| 09:55.05 | cbreak_work | but from what I gathered, UTF-16 is popular |
| 09:55.29 | Arrowmaster | only because windows uses UTF-16 |
| 09:55.44 | Adys | Arrowmaster: python2 has a str type and a unicode type; python 3 only has the unicode type (and it gets renamed str) |
| 09:55.48 | Arrowmaster | and you have to use UTF-16 if you want to interact with certain windows systems |
| 09:55.56 | Arrowmaster | like the fucking directory paths |
| 09:56.03 | cbreak_work | utf-16 is simpler than utf-8 |
| 09:56.41 | Arrowmaster | but people dont want to use utf-16 for things on disk |
| 09:56.46 | cbreak_work | I forgot what my favorite system, os x, uses :/. Probably both, depending on what you want |
| 09:56.55 | cbreak_work | yeah, I wouldn't do that either |
| 09:57.01 | Arrowmaster | this is half the reason msys doesnt work properly |
| 09:57.05 | cbreak_work | not for western languages |
| 09:57.27 | cbreak_work | although, you mean data, right? |
| 09:57.32 | Arrowmaster | os x uses utf8 for paths |
| 09:58.11 | cbreak_work | but HFS+, the file system, uses utf-16 afaik |
| 09:58.31 | Arrowmaster | the paths are presented to applications in utf8 though |
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| 09:58.52 | cbreak_work | yes |
| 09:59.32 | Arrowmaster | utf-8 makes more sense to me for general usage, there are specific things that i agree utf-16 is better for |
| 09:59.37 | cbreak_work | I've only used the API with NSString instances, so I actually don't really know the encoding, but it probably is utf-8 |
| 09:59.53 | cbreak_work | Qt uses utf-16 for it's in-memory QString class |
| 10:00.03 | cbreak_work | the reasons I heard from the devs were that it was easier to work with |
| 10:00.09 | zenzio | I thought most Unicode frameworks used UTF-16 internally? |
| 10:00.22 | zenzio | at least I believe ICU and Windows both do |
| 10:00.31 | zenzio | (yes, Windows is not a Unicode framework) |
| 10:00.50 | Arrowmaster | the problem is that the windows apis are all utf-16 i think |
| 10:01.00 | zenzio | they are since Win2000 |
| 10:01.19 | zenzio | but they have ASCII stubs that call translation functions on input data, call the Unicode version, and convert back |
| 10:01.19 | Arrowmaster | from what ive heard thats part of the reason things like msys dont work with anything but ascii file paths |
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| 10:02.40 | cbreak_work | why not just convert? |
| 10:02.51 | cbreak_work | I am sure there are convenient methods to go from utf-8 to 16 and back |
| 10:02.55 | cbreak_work | and maybe even to 32 |
| 10:03.00 | cbreak_work | if anyone ever uses that |
| 10:03.04 | zenzio | UTF, sure |
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| 10:03.26 | Adys | yay, my new mouse is here |
| 10:03.38 | cbreak_work | details, more details! |
| 10:03.43 | clever | cbreak_work: but that wont exactly work for pre-compiled stuff from before win2000 |
| 10:04.11 | clever | i'm guessing they put the stubs at the same slot as the original functions, so old apps use the stub |
| 10:04.46 | cbreak_work | they should pull an apple |
| 10:04.51 | cbreak_work | and just stop supporting old stuff |
| 10:05.11 | clever | they did with .hlp files |
| 10:05.17 | cbreak_work | the added benefit would be that they'd lose a ton of customers :) |
| 10:05.18 | clever | they removed the viewer in anything newer then xp |
| 10:05.24 | clever | forcing everybody to go .chm |
| 10:05.37 | cbreak_work | or html, or pdf |
| 10:05.51 | clever | .chm is html based |
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| 10:06.13 | cbreak_work | but html is easier to look at |
| 10:07.16 | Adys | Oh sweet |
| 10:07.31 | Adys | the scroll switcher on the Performance MX is on the old search button |
| 10:07.39 | Adys | which was a retarded button in the Revolution |
| 10:09.26 | nichdu | true |
| 10:10.07 | zenzio | clever: Raymond Chen ("Old New Thing" blog) recently had some posts about that... apparently the old .HLP format was basically very bad, allowing for bad stuff |
| 10:10.44 | cbreak_work | zenzio: even .lnk files allow for bad things on windows |
| 10:10.51 | cbreak_work | (ha. ha. :) |
| 10:11.13 | cbreak_work | well, I shouldn't make fun of them too much, other people's phones get rooted by surfing to a web page. |
| 10:11.29 | zenzio | cbreak_work: yeah, but according to the blog post, HLP files were basically executables |
| 10:11.46 | cbreak_work | intended to be? |
| 10:12.30 | cbreak_work | there are many such things, pdf files that contain post script are executable, fonts are tiny executables, windows meta files are executables. of course, some of them are very sandboxed |
| 10:12.36 | Arrowmaster | have i ever told you the story of how i bypassed the 30 day XP activation using the accessibility controls help page? |
| 10:12.56 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: o_O |
| 10:13.04 | Arrowmaster | it was hilarious |
| 10:13.47 | clever | cbreak_work: i got bored one week and abused edit.com to hexedit some .lnk files |
| 10:13.58 | Arrowmaster | i was trying to do the trick where you bring up the accessibility controls and open the help for it and go file open and fine and run explorer.exe but instead it just glitched out and logged me in |
| 10:14.00 | clever | to see what it would do if i brute-force it like a 1kb password |
| 10:14.24 | clever | some combinations would cause windows to 'fix' the lnk the moment its icon is seen |
| 10:14.36 | clever | editing the file and ruining my work:P |
| 10:14.55 | cbreak_work | hmm... evil... :) |
| 10:15.24 | clever | cbreak_work: yeah ive heard of executable fonts, but you can think of it like wow addons |
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| 10:15.34 | clever | running the code in a very restricted sandbox |
| 10:15.35 | Arrowmaster | sounds like a good way to store sensitive data for transport that you dont want accidently falling into the wrong hands |
| 10:15.44 | clever | hopefully, it doesnt have any flaws in it |
| 10:16.11 | clever | Arrowmaster: 'this disk will self-destruct if you look at it!' |
| 10:17.25 | clever | i was doing the tests on win98 |
| 10:17.31 | clever | thats how long ago it was |
| 10:17.43 | Arrowmaster | win9x was fun |
| 10:17.48 | clever | yeah |
| 10:18.01 | Arrowmaster | creating files with names that the UI couldnt display |
| 10:18.10 | Arrowmaster | so they couldnt be renamed or even deleted |
| 10:18.11 | clever | you could evade the clean-slate hdd protection by making a shortcut to command.com and check 'run in dos mode' |
| 10:18.21 | clever | it would then reboot without the protection software and run it in raw dos mode |
| 10:18.57 | zenzio | I remember the exciting LAN party when people installed (I think it was) Easy CD Creator 5... if they had a DVD-ROM/burner and Win 98 (which most did), it blew up Windows. Mass reinstall that night |
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| 10:18.59 | clever | the local tech would often screw things up |
| 10:19.12 | clever | he would turn the protection off, reboot, edit stuff and turn it back on, reboot |
| 10:19.19 | clever | then its permantly stuck to reboot by default :P |
| 10:19.33 | clever | all un-authorized changes are undone at shutdown |
| 10:20.46 | clever | one of the authorized app's would copy its files, from AN UNPROTECTED network share to the local drive |
| 10:21.03 | clever | by sticking any file i want on the network share, it would permantly copy it to the local drive, on every pc in the building:P |
| 10:21.15 | cbreak_work | clever: the last iPhone jailbreak was over an exploit in the font rendering |
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| 10:21.22 | clever | no way to delete it without the admin pw |
| 10:21.41 | clever | cbreak_work: yeah, probly a bufffer overflow i'm guessing |
| 10:21.55 | cbreak_work | don't know details |
| 10:22.05 | Arrowmaster | yeah i dont think anything on windows gets that shit right with not allowing changes to the OS except for the system that reformats the drive on every reboot |
| 10:22.11 | clever | reminds me of the zelda hack, where you edit the save-state so the name of some character is over 256 bytes long |
| 10:22.20 | clever | so next time you see that name on-screen, it 'crashes' and runs the name as raw code |
| 10:23.14 | clever | Arrowmaster: i think it had a special driver that slipped into the registery to let it filter each key seperately |
| 10:23.26 | clever | and then blindly all that filter to edit the true registery files |
| 10:23.41 | clever | but windows couldnt edit/store the default shutdown option, or the timezone stuff |
| 10:23.50 | clever | if you pass the DST day, it automaticaly turns the clock ahead/back |
| 10:23.57 | Adys | This mouse is sweet |
| 10:23.59 | clever | its not authorized to remember that:P |
| 10:24.04 | clever | so tomorow, it does the same thing |
| 10:24.11 | clever | and again |
| 10:24.14 | clever | and again |
| 10:24.20 | Cide | Adys: which one |
| 10:24.32 | Adys | MX Performance, Cide |
| 10:24.35 | Cide | weak |
| 10:24.43 | Adys | no |
| 10:24.45 | Adys | not weak |
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| 10:24.54 | clever | Arrowmaster: i found solutions to most of the problems it had |
| 10:25.19 | Adys | cord+cordless, sweet scrollwheel, everything I want is still there |
| 10:25.36 | zenzio | cord and cordless? Sounds like a confused personality |
| 10:25.47 | Adys | charger is usb |
| 10:25.54 | Adys | can be used cordless without issues |
| 10:26.00 | zenzio | aha |
| 10:26.11 | Adys | good stuff |
| 10:26.28 | Adys | hm, the back/forward buttons are a bit awkward to hit compared to the revolution |
| 10:27.43 | Adys | Fuck |
| 10:27.46 | Adys | Cide |
| 10:27.57 | Cide | yep |
| 10:28.15 | Adys | on my mx revolution, the scroll wheel is so dirty and full of fingerjuice that i didnt realize how hard it became |
| 10:28.33 | Spejnar | hehe, hard |
| 10:28.36 | Cide | tmi |
| 10:28.47 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck? http://www.amazon.com/Half-Life-2-Xbox/dp/B000B2YR74 |
| 10:28.49 | haste | fingerjuice sucks |
| 10:28.58 | Arrowmaster | there was a half life 2 for the original xbox? |
| 10:30.00 | Adys | No Arrowmaster, it's amazon pulling a fast one on you |
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| 10:34.18 | Fisker | hastemen |
| 10:34.40 | Arrowmaster | ok i got 1000 items into amazons warehouse deals sorted by price lowest to highest and only saw about half a dozon 360 games, most of which i either own or are just god fucking awful that nobody would actually pay money for them |
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| 10:43.11 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1bP-m_BwX0 <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 10:43.33 | Spejnar | heavy spoiler alert |
| 10:43.34 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfN8Nug6xcc#t=11m6s |
| 10:43.36 | Spejnar | but it looks epic |
| 10:49.32 | Adys | son of a |
| 10:49.36 | Adys | I HAVE A MOUSEWHEEL CLICK |
| 10:49.37 | Adys | omg |
| 10:49.48 | Cide | owned |
| 10:49.54 | Adys | no |
| 10:49.55 | Adys | not owned |
| 10:49.56 | Adys | AWESOME |
| 10:50.00 | haste | uses mousewheel click several times a day. |
| 10:50.02 | Adys | i havent hgad one in ages |
| 10:50.11 | Adys | its the ONE thing i wanted on the mx rev |
| 10:50.22 | Adys | omg look at me |
| 10:50.24 | haste | and your current mouse is? |
| 10:50.24 | Cide | I don't like it on freescrolling wheels |
| 10:50.25 | Adys | Im opening shit in new tabs |
| 10:50.32 | Cide | ... |
| 10:50.34 | Cide | ctrl+click |
| 10:50.34 | Adys | haste: mx performance |
| 10:50.35 | zenzio | what? I thought *every* mouse with a wheel had mousewheel click? |
| 10:50.39 | Adys | yes Cide thank you |
| 10:50.42 | Cide | np |
| 10:50.53 | haste | still has MX 510 and MX 518. |
| 10:50.57 | Adys | zenzelezz: the MX revolution has this freewheel scrolly thingy |
| 10:51.08 | Adys | which.. doesnt bode well with linux without drivers |
| 10:51.17 | zenzio | <Adys> Im opening shit in new tabs <-- Adys's porn surfing just got a whole lot easier, now that he can liberate one hand from the Ctrl ke |
| 10:51.18 | zenzio | +y |
| 10:51.24 | unfo- | haste, MX 510 <3 |
| 10:51.37 | haste | unfo-: 518 is pretty much the same, they're both awesome |
| 10:51.58 | unfo- | haste, i dunno what 518, I've just had a few 510s for years :) |
| 10:53.12 | Fisker | haste |
| 10:53.15 | Fisker | i love you |
| 10:53.21 | Adys | the mx rev is still more comfortable to rest your hand on |
| 10:53.24 | haste | unfo-: it's like a slightly updated version of 510 |
| 10:53.37 | haste | I've had them both for like five years now |
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| 11:33.59 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/08/mind-hacks-experiencing-slow-motion-extreme-danger/ |
| 11:35.13 | zenzio | nice illustration |
| 11:36.22 | clever | zenzio: 'So, removal of winhelp, a definite kick in the balls that forced everyone to go .chm. Now the trend seems to be is to move completely way from .chm into even larger pure html.' |
| 11:36.28 | clever | good way of putting it |
| 11:36.52 | zenzio | yeah |
| 11:37.04 | zenzio | also, who needs documentation anyway... let the community make a wiki! ;-) |
| 11:37.37 | clever | ive come across a .hlp for mirc that was updated to include more help |
| 11:37.53 | clever | and being able to /help /query helps alot |
| 11:38.00 | clever | though it still works in the .chm'd versions |
| 11:38.25 | Wobin | Adys: that's an interesting observation |
| 11:38.36 | Adys | wtf |
| 11:38.37 | Wobin | I see how the brain might 'slow' things down |
| 11:38.38 | Adys | clever: do you have ie? |
| 11:38.51 | clever | Adys: cant uninstall it, but never use it |
| 11:38.57 | Adys | clever: can you open it? |
| 11:39.12 | clever | Adys: i could |
| 11:39.18 | Adys | clever: could you do that now? |
| 11:39.19 | zenzio | Adys: why specifically him? |
| 11:39.27 | clever | id have to vnc into a windows pc :P |
| 11:39.27 | Adys | zenzio: because you hate my guts |
| 11:39.32 | zenzio | I do? |
| 11:39.37 | Adys | I don't know Im just guessing |
| 11:39.39 | Adys | zenzio: do it then |
| 11:39.44 | Adys | and load the url mk:@MSITStore:c:\WINNT\Help\winchat.chm::/chat_whatis_intro.htm |
| 11:40.31 | clever | my windows dir isnt WINNT |
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| 11:40.59 | Adys | modify at will |
| 11:41.26 | zenzio | I don't seem to have that file (winchat.chm) |
| 11:42.08 | Adys | do you have another chm readily available in your windows folder? |
| 11:42.20 | zenzio | several others in that directory, yes |
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| 11:42.33 | Adys | can you change that then? |
| 11:42.37 | Adys | with blahblah.chm |
| 11:42.41 | Adys | and remove everything after it |
| 11:44.01 | clever | copy/paste is fighting me here |
| 11:44.26 | zenzio | doesn't want to display it even with a valid file name |
| 11:45.06 | clever | sounds like they re-invented file:// just to be different |
| 11:45.06 | zenzio | what's it supposed to do? |
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| 11:45.13 | clever | zenzio: http://wiki.winehq.org/HtmlHelp |
| 11:46.36 | Adys | Night |
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| 12:24.44 | Wobin | http://www.geardiary.com/2010/08/17/everybody-wants-a-meme-brainresidue-reviews-the-kfc-skinwich/ |
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| 12:32.24 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 12:32.29 | zenzio | "Anyone else notice the new Lich King (Bolvar), is not encased in Ice, like at the end of the cinematic, when Tirion places the Helmet on Bolvar?" -- "It melted. That's why he's so pissed." |
| 12:32.32 | Fisker | underage boys touching wieners |
| 12:32.36 | Fisker | bam |
| 12:33.57 | Wobin | Fisker: if you were already 'of age' when you touched your first wiener, you clearly were a late bloomer |
| 12:34.16 | zenzio | depends whose he touched |
| 12:34.28 | Wobin | I figure most underage boys have at least touched their own |
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| 12:34.52 | Wobin | unless they're mormon |
| 12:34.53 | Wobin | or something |
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| 12:37.55 | airtonix | hello fisker |
| 12:38.54 | airtonix | if you've read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Journeyer |
| 12:39.07 | airtonix | and other texts about marco polo |
| 12:39.31 | Fisker | i'm just getting you into trouble Wobin |
| 12:39.33 | airtonix | i've always noticed he mentions that wanking was not a bad think for guys |
| 12:39.37 | Fisker | you're violating the lawl |
| 12:39.51 | airtonix | he said. the guys that did it always ended up with larger cocks |
| 12:40.24 | zenzio | why would he say it was bad? It was only in recent centuries that people somehow started thinking that sexual stuff was bad |
| 12:40.41 | airtonix | yeah coz of the catholics ? |
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| 12:40.52 | zenzio | perhaps, I don't know exactly |
| 12:41.05 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/17/funny-pictures-catography/ |
| 12:43.56 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra's "imaginary insects" lobe is larger than some other cats I know. |
| 12:44.04 | zenzio | hehe |
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| 12:44.52 | zenzio | reminds me of the classic, http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/11/15/walls/ |
| 12:45.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... Moose is like that some days. Except she tries to jump up and catch the invisible alien. |
| 12:46.03 | Lopeppeppy | leading toward the "destruction" lobe of the cat brain! |
| 12:46.26 | zenzio | our cat doesn't do that so much, she just runs around chasing or fleeing from the ghosts for a while, then pretend nothing happened |
| 12:47.01 | Lopeppeppy | Moose wants it DEAD, whatever dust speck it is. |
| 12:47.13 | zenzio | :) |
| 12:48.23 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 12:50.35 | Lopeppeppy | Morning again, Lunessa. |
| 12:50.48 | Lunessa | Station Lopeppeppy. |
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| 12:57.01 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look, a list to tell me I'm old. http://www.beloit.edu/mindset/2014.php |
| 13:01.13 | zenzio | "Theyâve never recognized that pointing to their wrists was a request for the time of day." |
| 13:01.15 | zenzio | o_O |
| 13:01.58 | Fisker | bitchesmen |
| 13:03.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I work with college kids. I'm scared! |
| 13:05.34 | Wobin | it's true |
| 13:05.40 | Lunessa | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/lawsuit-disney-others-spy-on-kids-with-zombie-cookies.ars |
| 13:05.42 | Wobin | I know people who haven't worn a watch in years and years |
| 13:06.06 | Lopeppeppy | I wear one. *le sigh* |
| 13:06.08 | Fisker | a what? |
| 13:06.49 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, Fisker. |
| 13:07.06 | Lopeppeppy | It gets harder and harder for me to find a new watch every time I have to replace it. |
| 13:07.40 | zenzio | I feel naked without a wrist watch |
| 13:10.34 | Lunessa | "46. Nirvana is on the classic oldies station." |
| 13:14.18 | Lopeppeppy | "Springsteen, Madonna, way before Nirvana. U2, and Blondie, and music still on MTV" |
| 13:14.47 | zenzio | wait, the M is for Music? I thought it was Madness |
| 13:15.06 | zenzio | "Having ran low on gold again last night I decided to pour the last 1.5k or so" - these are sad times when 1.5k is "low on gold" |
| 13:15.49 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: My girlfriend's watch died recently, and she hasn't found one. |
| 13:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | I wear men's watches (so they are waterproof) |
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| 13:16.33 | theorbtwo | Women's watches aren't? |
| 13:16.34 | krka | wait, you wear them so that they become waterproof? |
| 13:16.46 | krka | that's a useful special power! |
| 13:17.15 | Lopeppeppy | theorbtwo, women's watches tend to be metal and decorative and stupid. I prefer men's watches so I can get a sturdy leather band, avoid looking froofy, and get the waterproofing of a sport watch. |
| 13:17.17 | zenzio | I would think you'd wear men's watches because most women's watches are all kinds of crazy shapes that make it impossible to tell the time on them |
| 13:17.19 | Lopeppeppy | licks krka |
| 13:17.30 | Lopeppeppy | "avoid looking froofy" |
| 13:17.43 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: Yes, that's what jess is going for too. |
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| 13:17.55 | theorbtwo | Even men's watches are fashion pieces these days. |
| 13:18.07 | theorbtwo | Oh, and she wants digital. |
| 13:18.14 | zenzio | nooo |
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| 13:18.32 | theorbtwo | Naturally, different fasion for men, but still decidedly fasion pieces. |
| 13:19.03 | zenzio | one does not simply go digital into Mordor :( |
| 13:19.34 | theorbtwo | finds analog clocks annoying as all hell. |
| 13:19.40 | zenzio | heathen |
| 13:21.05 | Lunessa | I have a watch... A really nice one I paid a lot of money for in the mid-90s. I haven't worn it in ... 6+ years. |
| 13:21.16 | zenzio | how come? |
| 13:21.51 | theorbtwo | For most people, it just doesn't make sense to wear a watch when you have a phone in your pocket. |
| 13:21.56 | Limbero | is there a macro conditional to check if your target is a member of your party? |
| 13:22.19 | zenzio | I find it easier to lift my arm than to dig around in my pocket |
| 13:22.30 | Lunessa | Limbero: You don't get to compare units for decision branching. |
| 13:22.57 | Limbero | :/, I was trying to put Intervene in my charge/intercept macro |
| 13:23.17 | theorbtwo | zenzio: Have less shit in your pockets? |
| 13:23.39 | zenzio | theorbtwo: I only have my mobile in my pocket, but it's still tedious |
| 13:23.44 | Limbero | I could just do noharm I guess |
| 13:23.47 | Lunessa | Limbero: All you can do is tell if YOU are in a party or raid. Not if your target is. |
| 13:23.49 | krka | i am strangely curious as to which things theorbtwo count as "pockets" |
| 13:23.52 | zenzio | obviously more when sitting down than standing |
| 13:23.55 | Cide | I don't wear a watch because when I want to check what time it is I prefer to flash my awesome phone |
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| 13:23.57 | Limbero | Lunessa, that should be enough |
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| 13:24.05 | Limbero | what's that conditional? |
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| 13:24.17 | krka | [canhazparty] |
| 13:24.18 | Lunessa | then you want [group] or [raid] |
| 13:24.33 | Limbero | is group true while in a raid? |
| 13:24.34 | Lunessa | Oh... crap. |
| 13:24.36 | Lunessa | I'm wrong. |
| 13:24.55 | Lunessa | party â Target is in your party - http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Macro |
| 13:25.50 | Limbero | huh |
| 13:25.50 | Limbero | I looked all over that page |
| 13:26.07 | alestane | [group:party] for if you are in a party (or just [group]), [party] for when your target is in your party. |
| 13:26.24 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes, which is what he was looking for. |
| 13:26.45 | Lunessa | And I was getting it wrong. |
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| 13:27.09 | Limbero | thanks :D |
| 13:27.24 | Limbero | I do my best, but damn that WoWWiki page is just so cramped |
| 13:27.26 | alestane | Although annoyingly, if you want to know if you are in a party specifically, as opposed to a raid, you have to specify [group, nogroup:raid]...[group:party] will not suffice. |
| 13:27.45 | Limbero | ah |
| 13:30.06 | alestane | On a completely different note: http://www.twolumps.net/d/20100818.html |
| 13:31.35 | Limbero | lol |
| 13:38.18 | alestane | "...Crossing the Atlantic in a solar-powered submarine (failed, but a good try)..." |
| 13:38.52 | alestane | So did the beta go back to a non-streaming client with this latest update? |
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| 13:42.15 | Thunder_Child | oh woot-off, why do you torment me so |
| 13:43.17 | Limbero | changing stances doesn't set off the GCD for charge, so why doesn't |
| 13:43.31 | Limbero | ./cast Battle Stance |
| 13:43.35 | Limbero | ./cast Charge |
| 13:43.35 | Limbero | work? |
| 13:43.43 | Limbero | I need to hit it twice |
| 13:44.07 | alestane | Because you're not actually in Battle Stance when the macro runs. |
| 13:44.20 | Limbero | oh, the effect is delayed? |
| 13:44.24 | Limbero | yeah, makes sense |
| 13:44.27 | Lunessa | macros run all at once. |
| 13:44.43 | Lunessa | And the server doesn't know you're in battle stance when you hit the macro |
| 13:44.49 | Limbero | I know this, I wonder why I'm being stupid |
| 13:45.07 | alestane | Your client can't cast Charge until it gets a message back from the server saying that your request to switch in to Battle Stance was successful. |
| 13:45.33 | alestane | And it won't wait, so the cast just fails. |
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| 13:45.48 | Lunessa | Limbero: It's in the water - lots of stupid was recently introduced to municipal supplies the world over. |
| 13:47.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy, Lunessa speaks the truth. |
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| 13:51.01 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwsBBIIXT0E&feature=player_embedded |
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| 13:52.49 | malreth | Lunessa: it's mixed in there along with the fluoride. |
| 13:53.10 | zenzio | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Avoiding-Magic-Constants.aspx |
| 13:53.13 | Lunessa | malreth: Hey, I've seen Dr. Strangelove. |
| 13:53.47 | malreth | and what about that word, "fluoride". has it always been spelled that way? 'u' and then 'o'? damn, that's weird. |
| 13:53.49 | alestane | Corrupting the precious purity of our bodily essences. |
| 13:54.04 | zenzio | Purity through obscurity! |
| 13:55.42 | malreth | and then there's "weird". What's with all these 'i' before 'e' exceptions? |
| 13:56.26 | malreth | is there a single word in English that if the 'i' and 'e' were transposed that you couldn't understand what was being written? |
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| 13:57.27 | malreth | naturally, jacobieting joins the room at this point |
| 13:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, your fascination with language is triggering my CDO! |
| 14:00.18 | malreth | Mistress asks to have lunch with me today. I reply, "shore." She says "i've made her the happiest beach" |
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| 14:06.06 | Thunder_Child | heh http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/kitchen/cc91/?cpg=cj&ref=&CJURL= |
| 14:07.01 | malreth | more meetings should start with breakfast tacos. http://skitch.com/fizzboy/d11b3/tacos |
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| 14:12.09 | Lopeppeppy | your mistress-lady is funn, malreth. :) |
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| 14:13.52 | Lunessa | malreth: did those tacos come with breakfast beer too? |
| 14:14.03 | malreth | no beer... this is a working meeting |
| 14:14.47 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, so gin instead! |
| 14:19.15 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: indeed. what what. |
| 14:21.13 | Lunessa | could really use a martini |
| 14:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | could really martini a user. |
| 14:21.35 | airtonix | schedules a martini for sometime in the distant future |
| 14:23.32 | Wobin | http://littledeathray.com <-- NSFW |
| 14:28.54 | mikma | wobin: http://m.blog.hu/ad/addict/image/szex/dvice3_ib.jpg |
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| 14:32.07 | Wobin | mikma: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__XCWUd8FFjQ/TFAm3Ncj1FI/AAAAAAAAKuw/IGxhfrmVR-w/s1600/d.vice1.jpg |
| 14:32.11 | Wobin | that's the other one =P |
| 14:34.00 | mikma | awesum |
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| 15:00.58 | cog|away | RAWR |
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| 15:02.55 | Lunessa | I literally hate people this morning. Hate with the force of a thousand burning suns. Don't tell me you "did and checked everything" and it's "still not working" - If you had followed the goddamned instructions, that shit would be working. Passive Agressive Bullshit. Just fucking say "I don't want to do this, and I want you to do it, even when it's not your job." ARGH. |
| 15:03.09 | Lunessa | We now return you to your regularly scheduled stuff in this channel. |
| 15:03.29 | alestane | Yes, "I did everything right the way I'm supposed to and it's still not working" is never sueful info. |
| 15:03.34 | alestane | useful* |
| 15:04.01 | cog|work | sueful is an awesome new word imo |
| 15:04.16 | cog|work | "americans are very sueful" |
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| 15:04.45 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, Cogwheel. |
| 15:04.55 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Lunessa. Sheeple taste good braised. |
| 15:05.13 | alestane | We have a word for that, cog|work. "Litigious." |
| 15:05.28 | cog|work | i know. but sueful isn't a real word so it's better. |
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| 15:10.58 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 15:14.17 | Lunessa | What really ticks me off and prompted the rant above were back to back users who "couldn't figure this out from the directions" despite the directions being perfectly simple and clear. |
| 15:14.29 | Lunessa | Which basically means they didn't even bother to read them. |
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| 15:23.12 | Kraps | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/aug/09/nao-robot-develop-display-emotions |
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| 15:25.56 | Kraps | until AI learn what emotions actually mean, meh |
| 15:27.55 | Gnamra | Is there any way to make the GetCoinMoney() to work on negative values? or am I being an idiot for using it in the first place |
| 15:28.11 | Gnamra | :p |
| 15:28.55 | zenzelezz | what's GetCoinMoney? |
| 15:29.09 | Gnamra | >.< GetCoinText |
| 15:29.10 | Gnamra | I meant |
| 15:29.16 | Gnamra | Sorry |
| 15:30.04 | zenzelezz | do an if (0 > value) then value = -value end before the call? |
| 15:30.23 | Gnamra | I'll try that, thanks |
| 15:30.43 | zenzelezz | why do you want to use it on negative numbers though? |
| 15:32.10 | Gnamra | Well, I'm making an addon that traces how much money I've spent / earned. so naturally, when I fly / trade / buy stuff, it becomes negative. |
| 15:32.22 | zenzelezz | aha |
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| 15:34.26 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5615645/see-diablo-iiis-artisan-in-action?skyline=true&s=i |
| 15:35.39 | malreth | http://devour.com/video/mentos-spider/ |
| 15:36.41 | malreth | why not just GetCoinText(math.abs(foo)) instead? |
| 15:37.05 | zenzelezz | I don't know if he needs to be aware if the number was negative or positive |
| 15:37.12 | zenzelezz | well... his value would be unchanged |
| 15:37.14 | zenzelezz | ignore me |
| 15:37.20 | malreth | bingo |
| 15:37.28 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/iphone_sticker_makes_it_look_l.php |
| 15:37.32 | Gnamra | Well, I'm new to this so I haven't looked into the math. yet |
| 15:37.43 | zenzelezz | Gnamra: do what malreth said :) |
| 15:38.40 | Gnamra | alright:) I'll read up on math.abs then and find out what it does. thanks :) |
| 15:38.42 | malreth | the if-then is probably more efficient since it avoids a function call... but i'd still pick math.abs for its clarity |
| 15:39.09 | zenzelezz | Gnamra: it does exactly the same as my code, but it's easier to read |
| 15:39.43 | Gnamra | aha, ok :) |
| 15:39.52 | malreth | Gnamra: http://lua-users.org/wiki/MathLibraryTutorial |
| 15:40.25 | cog|work | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/374772370#1 <-- one of the most epic SC matches ever... |
| 15:40.30 | cog|work | MUST watch to the end |
| 15:40.51 | cog|work | ( same one i linked to you yesterday Kraps but with commentary) |
| 15:41.05 | malreth | lua> math.huge / 2 |
| 15:41.06 | lua_bot | malreth: inf |
| 15:41.20 | cog|work | lua> math.huge - math.huge |
| 15:41.21 | lua_bot | cog|work: nan |
| 15:41.42 | Gnamra | lua> math.abs(-100) |
| 15:41.43 | lua_bot | Gnamra: 100 |
| 15:41.48 | malreth | lua> math.huge * 0 |
| 15:41.48 | lua_bot | malreth: nan |
| 15:42.11 | malreth | hmm... i think even infinity times zero should be zero |
| 15:43.00 | malreth | infinity minus infinity is undeterminable, that much makes sense |
| 15:43.46 | Lunessa | malreth: holy crap - toshiba article! |
| 15:43.59 | malreth | Lunessa: i no rite |
| 15:44.07 | Lunessa | yes plx. |
| 15:44.21 | malreth | 2.5 Tbit/in^2 |
| 15:44.29 | Kraps | toshiba? |
| 15:44.35 | Kraps | lol |
| 15:44.42 | Kraps | my first pc was a toshiba |
| 15:45.00 | malreth | Kraps: http://www.macworld.com/article/153508/2010/08/toshiba_datastorage.html |
| 15:46.11 | malreth | i still think SSD will surpass spinning magnetic media in both density and price but Toshiba's achievement is still epic |
| 15:46.42 | malreth | s/but/eventually, but/ |
| 15:50.08 | Kraps | cog|work: so do you think there needs to be a way to break stalemates? |
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| 15:51.31 | cog|work | i have no informed opinion either way... i still haven't done any MP yet (funner to watch imo) |
| 15:52.06 | Kraps | true |
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| 15:55.47 | Lunessa | argh... meeting time. back later. |
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| 16:15.48 | zenzelezz | so I'm flipping through TV channels, and see that MTV has a programme called "16 and Pregnant"... good to know the kids these days get guidance from TV |
| 16:16.16 | malreth | darwin award winner? http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20413769,00.html |
| 16:17.38 | Lopeppeppy | very, malreth! |
| 16:17.58 | malreth | damn... i wanna know the guy's twitter name so i can find out if he managed to send the tweet before killing himself |
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| 16:18.46 | Shirik_ | JR/CS/HGH/MMN - A South Korean military official believes the North flew the drone either for surveillance purposes or as a decoy. |
| 16:18.51 | malreth | oh... http://twitter.com/drfrankryan and DOH! Twitter fail whales on me |
| 16:19.27 | Shirik_ | Korea will be the site of WW3 |
| 16:19.32 | Shirik_ | I'm calling it |
| 16:19.46 | zenzelezz | of course |
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| 16:20.07 | zenzelezz | North Korea must be very provoked that South Korea is considering joining back together as one country |
| 16:20.15 | malreth | "http://twitpic.com/2fflev - Border collie jill surveying the view from atop the sand dune" 6:10 PM Aug 16th via Twitter for BlackBerry® |
| 16:20.30 | Kraps | cog|work: he sounds embarrassed that hes commentating the game :p |
| 16:20.51 | malreth | interesting portrait of a person's last moments... |
| 16:21.11 | malreth | "After 25 years of driving by, I finally hiked to the top of the giant sand dune on the pch west of malibu. Much harder than it looks! Whew!" http://twitter.com/drfrankryan/status/21351373998 via http://blackberry.com/twitter |
| 16:23.00 | malreth | there something in buddhism about ending your life after the height of achievment |
| 16:23.46 | malreth | maybe it was his time... that the view from the dunes was so monumental that everything else in his life from then on would have not measured up |
| 16:23.48 | zenzelezz | the opposite of Hollywood then, going out on rock bottom |
| 16:24.47 | malreth | if that were true, then there would be no point to living... better to move on to nirvana... to nothingness |
| 16:26.00 | malreth | then again, i may have it all wrong. perhaps someone with a chin that wide simply should not exist. god DAMN that chin is mighty |
| 16:26.08 | malreth | it probably bench presses 250 all on its own |
| 16:26.27 | TC-Work | ummm...leno? |
| 16:26.43 | malreth | TC-Work: my point, exactly |
| 16:28.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ... that chin is hypnotic and scary |
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| 16:29.07 | Fisker | i love jon stewart today |
| 16:29.09 | Fisker | in the butt |
| 16:29.14 | TC-Work | yes, but he has survived to oldish age |
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| 16:42.53 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, i love it when people actually know how to do their jobs. |
| 16:53.22 | Kraps | wait what http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103893/ |
| 16:54.49 | Lopeppeppy | What? The original movie. |
| 16:55.36 | Kraps | well butter my biscuit |
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| 16:57.50 | mikma | that movie rocked |
| 16:58.08 | Kraps | really |
| 17:03.29 | Kraps | it has donald sutherland an hilary swank |
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| 17:05.30 | Fisker | immerse needs to die |
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| 17:11.04 | Fisker | agree with me batrick |
| 17:12.31 | Kraps | buff also has an expanded universe |
| 17:12.34 | Kraps | buffy* |
| 17:14.40 | Fisker | roadhouse |
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| 17:20.16 | Kraps | who knows what Matroska Multimedia Container is, without searching? |
| 17:20.46 | Fisker | it says right there |
| 17:20.52 | Fisker | "Matroska Multimedia Container" |
| 17:21.06 | Fisker | now had you asked what "mkv" was then i could've understood |
| 17:21.23 | mikma | matroska video ;) |
| 17:21.42 | Kraps | man you guys are such nerds :/ |
| 17:21.57 | Fisker | .) |
| 17:22.00 | Fisker | ow my eye |
| 17:22.12 | mikma | don't even have to be nerd, just need to watch some downloaded series |
| 17:22.50 | Fisker | :3 |
| 17:23.17 | Kraps | i know that mkv is some kind of video format |
| 17:23.27 | Fisker | technically wrong |
| 17:23.33 | Kraps | container |
| 17:23.47 | Fisker | exactl |
| 17:23.49 | Fisker | y |
| 17:24.03 | Kraps | yes i'm not sure what a container is in that context |
| 17:24.59 | Kraps | apparently avi is also a container |
| 17:25.56 | Fisker | simple |
| 17:25.56 | Fisker | What can a movie contain? |
| 17:25.56 | Lunessa | content. :P |
| 17:25.56 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:26.04 | Kraps | what |
| 17:26.08 | Fisker | but more importantly it contains the video stream, the subtitles and the audio streams |
| 17:28.32 | durcyn | matroska also happens to be an awful container format, scene tards need to get on the iso mpeg4 bandwagon already |
| 17:28.44 | Kraps | arent the video and audio separate only in their raw formats, like right after recording, but when they're shown on tv or put on a disc they kind of mesh together? |
| 17:28.55 | durcyn | it's called multiplexing, yes |
| 17:29.05 | Kraps | s/formats/states |
| 17:29.28 | durcyn | streams, to be pedantic |
| 17:29.40 | Fisker | Basically the format allows you to have subtitles and audio tracks for multiple languages |
| 17:31.22 | mikma | http://www.matroska.org/technical/whatis/index.html |
| 17:31.58 | Kraps | durcyn: i downloaded a few buffy episodes in 175mb mkv and 400mb avi and the avi have much crappier audio and video |
| 17:32.59 | Fisker | That is more of a format issue than the container |
| 17:33.14 | Fisker | Roughly speaking someone did something wrong to the second movie |
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| 17:34.15 | durcyn | Kraps: that's the codec, not the container |
| 17:34.48 | durcyn | i repack every single mkv i find as mp4, which usually means transociding that stupid AC3 DTS to AAC |
| 17:34.53 | durcyn | coding* |
| 17:35.04 | durcyn | but the video streams are usually H.264 lately |
| 17:35.57 | Dagmar | What, your gear can't play back AC3 DTS? |
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| 17:40.12 | Fisker | kd3|netbook |
| 17:40.14 | Fisker | i lold |
| 17:40.57 | Dagmar | Personally, I like to leave the audio streams alone. ...oh and yeah, I like to keep *both* mixdowns. |
| 17:41.13 | kd3|netbook | hm? |
| 17:41.32 | Dagmar | Good luck keeping multiple audio streams with freaking mp4. |
| 17:41.32 | Fisker | netbook |
| 17:41.47 | Fisker | what kind of netbook? |
| 17:44.27 | durcyn | Dagmar: AC3 isn't techinically permitted in iso-mpeg4, some players don't decode it |
| 17:44.40 | durcyn | -i |
| 17:45.00 | Fisker | naw durcyn you must be wrong, look iso-mpeg4 up in the dictionary |
| 17:45.09 | Fisker | giggles |
| 17:45.23 | durcyn | that was your most intelligent troll yet, Fisker |
| 17:47.22 | Kraps | orly Matroska aims to become THE standard of multimedia container formats. |
| 17:47.58 | Pneumatus | join the queue, etc |
| 17:48.01 | Kraps | how of _those_ are there |
| 17:48.12 | Kraps | heh Pneumatus |
| 17:48.20 | Fisker | MKV > all anyway |
| 17:48.38 | Kraps | wmp imo |
| 17:49.07 | Kraps | wmv i mean |
| 17:49.16 | Dagmar | durcyn: Just the same, the lack of multiple stream support is kind of a deal-breaker for me |
| 17:49.24 | Dagmar | mp4 only allows one video and one audio stream |
| 17:49.36 | Kraps | man i really hate windows media player |
| 17:49.48 | Pneumatus | i think my tv even plays mkv natively :< |
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| 17:49.58 | durcyn | Dagmar: eh? i could've sworn i'd muxed in multiple audio tracks with mp4box |
| 17:50.02 | Dagmar | I'm over here trying to encode things with an eye towards that I have a PS3 with a 7.1 speaker system connected to it, as well as a need to be able to stream over a low-bandwidth connection |
| 17:50.14 | Dagmar | durcyn: Nope. Only allows one of each stream. |
| 17:50.27 | Fisker | Müller stated that he refuses to sit at a table with a âconvicted criminalâ who supports âprofessional theftâ. |
| 17:50.47 | Kraps | Fisker: who? |
| 17:50.52 | Fisker | I'd say taking the royalties that the publishers and copyright groups are taking, you're the one being "professional thieves" ;3 |
| 17:50.58 | Dagmar | Getting multiple video streams interleaved is probably going to take me using Theora tho |
| 17:50.58 | Fisker | some australian pro-copyright jerk |
| 17:51.03 | Fisker | http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-boss-refuses-debate-with-pirate-bay-co-founder-100811/ |
| 17:51.06 | Fisker | oh |
| 17:51.26 | Kraps | i used to torrent a lot |
| 17:52.12 | Kraps | now i wear sunglasses and use rapidshare |
| 17:57.42 | Kraps | however this is douchy http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-strikes-hosting-deal-with-wikileaks-100817/ |
| 17:58.21 | Dagmar | Probably not a good move on Assange's part |
| 17:59.24 | kd3|netbook | meh... it's hopefully more bulletproof hosting now. |
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| 18:00.23 | Kraps | "fuck USA Go Wikileaks" |
| 18:00.41 | Kraps | dont make me get all sentimental |
| 18:02.11 | Fisker | sounds like you hate america |
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| 18:02.30 | Kaso | I shook assange's hand once, he's a man i respect. |
| 18:02.40 | Shirik_ | aww |
| 18:02.45 | Fisker | hey Shirik_ |
| 18:02.56 | Shirik_ | my coworkers bought me a little pewter model of one of our aircraft |
| 18:03.04 | Shirik_ | reminds me of warhammer 40k, lol |
| 18:03.08 | Lopeppeppy | Paint it! |
| 18:03.49 | Kraps | Fisker: stuff like this brings a tear to my eye, its so BADASS and AWESOME when people say thing like that, fight the power man |
| 18:04.12 | Fisker | whatever |
| 18:04.24 | Fisker | one day Fox will discover me and hire me to spout bs on their channel |
| 18:04.30 | Fisker | i'm the glenn beck of irc |
| 18:04.36 | Shirik_ | I think Fisker would make a great Fox reporter |
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| 18:06.19 | Cide | indeed |
| 18:06.45 | Lunessa | Fisker: You're less entertaining and you don't cry on cue. |
| 18:07.17 | Kraps | Fisker: as we know, all of the US is like fox news |
| 18:08.10 | Shirik_ | I am going to hurt the next website that tells me + is not valid inside an email |
| 18:08.28 | Shirik_ | I swear every time I use a website I meet another incompetent programmer |
| 18:08.34 | Cide | what? |
| 18:08.40 | Cide | oh |
| 18:08.46 | Cide | email address |
| 18:08.55 | Shirik_ | + in email == illegal. Space in last name == illegal. |
| 18:09.06 | Cide | it's not the programmer that's incompetent tbh |
| 18:09.12 | Cide | well kinda |
| 18:09.14 | Shirik_ | my favorite part is "The email addresses you entered do not match. Please confirm your email addresses and continue" |
| 18:09.18 | Cide | but it's the RFC that is FUCKING STUPID mostly |
| 18:09.20 | Shirik_ | and they most definitely match |
| 18:09.23 | Shirik_ | they just suck at testing |
| 18:09.31 | Cide | so you get a shitton of different email regexes |
| 18:09.34 | Shirik_ | or error messages |
| 18:09.42 | Cide | because there's no standardized email regex |
| 18:10.57 | Shirik_ | lol |
| 18:11.01 | Shirik_ | C++.NET is so ugly |
| 18:11.34 | Shirik_ | C#: public T[] Foo<T>() where T:class |
| 18:11.46 | Shirik_ | VB: Public Function Foo(Of T As Class) As T() |
| 18:11.56 | Cide | that's arguably uglier than C++ |
| 18:12.07 | Shirik_ | MC++: public: generic <typename T> where T : ref class array<T>^ Foo() |
| 18:12.10 | cog|work | C++/CLI is designed as a bridge between native and managed code |
| 18:12.18 | cog|work | it's meant to work, not be pretty |
| 18:12.32 | cog|work | also, go try the old managed C++ if you really want fugly |
| 18:12.33 | Cide | you're designed as a bridge between fail and success |
| 18:12.33 | Dagmar | Shirik: Wait, are you saying "+" shouldn't be in an email address, or that the coder thought that was the case |
| 18:12.38 | Shirik_ | lol yeah cog|work |
| 18:12.44 | Cide | -_- |
| 18:12.49 | Shirik_ | Dagmar: I'm saying the website wouldn't let me use a + in my email address |
| 18:12.49 | Cide | why does jqueryui not support slide right |
| 18:12.59 | Shirik_ | cog|work: I believe that would have been |
| 18:13.00 | Dagmar | Shirik: Ah... Yes, that would be a lame coder alright |
| 18:13.25 | Shirik_ | public: generic <typename T> where T : __gc class __gc array<T> Foo() |
| 18:13.29 | Shirik_ | or something like that |
| 18:13.57 | Cide | oh it does |
| 18:13.58 | Cide | win |
| 18:14.01 | cog|work | Shirik_: http://haacked.com/archive/2007/08/21/i-knew-how-to-validate-an-email-address-until-i.aspx |
| 18:14.35 | Shirik_ | I know how to validate an email |
| 18:14.45 | cog|work | send an e-mail to it? |
| 18:14.51 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:15.01 | Shirik_ | http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html |
| 18:15.11 | Cide | indeed |
| 18:15.31 | Dagmar | Tehre's a much newer one htat supercedes that, but they cover most of the same stuf WRT that |
| 18:15.31 | Cide | the real question is |
| 18:15.48 | Cide | how difficult is it to write a proper RFC-compliant parser WITHOUT regular expressions? |
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| 18:15.59 | cog|work | hai Sixen |
| 18:16.02 | Shirik_ | I'm willing to bet it's easier in LPEG actually |
| 18:16.49 | Maldivia | hmm... potions are back in Diablo 3? |
| 18:18.25 | Sixen | hai cog! |
| 18:18.39 | Cide | potions never left diablo 3 |
| 18:18.54 | Cide | they are meant to be rare |
| 18:19.07 | cog|work | Sixen: have you gotten any sleep in the last 3 weeks? ;) |
| 18:19.12 | Cide | health globes are still the main source of health |
| 18:19.23 | kd3|netbook | sixen? sleep? ahahah |
| 18:19.26 | Shirik_ | wtf is a health globe |
| 18:19.27 | Sixen | haha :P |
| 18:19.31 | Shirik_ | and why is it different from a potion |
| 18:19.45 | Sixen | cog, I was #1 in Diamond for 2v2, =) |
| 18:19.55 | cog|work | :) |
| 18:22.01 | Shirik_ | The problem with making it match the spec is that somebody might mistype a symbol instead of a character and your regular expression will find it acceptable. I didn't want that to happen. If somebody has a weird symbol on their email address we'll simply reject it. |
| 18:22.05 | Shirik_ | I swear to god |
| 18:22.15 | Shirik_ | web programmers would not last a day in a safety-critical field |
| 18:22.27 | cog|work | indeed. |
| 18:22.31 | Dagmar | That is retarded |
| 18:22.38 | cog|work | or more likely the people who use the software they create wouldn't last a day |
| 18:22.52 | Dagmar | Simply freaking retarded. |
| 18:23.21 | Maldivia | Shirik_: health globe is used when you touch it |
| 18:23.52 | Dagmar | Shirik: Is there any way you can perhaps re-quote part of the RFC pertaining to the set of things that are allowed in the username@ half, and ask them what part of it is confusing them? |
| 18:24.22 | Dagmar | I know I've had a number of phone calls with EA about this, but basically, that company is full of ignorant assholes |
| 18:24.39 | Dagmar | All of my freaking various EA accounts used tagged email addresses. |
| 18:24.55 | Dagmar | None of which are usable for login anymore because their pet morons disallowed " |
| 18:25.07 | Dagmar | er disallowed "+" in email addresses which are used as logins |
| 18:26.01 | Dagmar | So, I had to get all those damn accounts transferred to a new, non-tagged address, so I could actually regain access to my paid stuff |
| 18:27.40 | Shirik_ | lol |
| 18:27.44 | Shirik_ | well that's EA |
| 18:27.50 | Shirik_ | Maldivia: What do ou mean |
| 18:27.53 | Shirik_ | it doesn't disappear? |
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| 18:33.40 | Maldivia | Shirik_: in D3, mobs drops orbs, that when you run into them, you get mana or health, depeding the type of the orb |
| 18:33.42 | Dagmar | Shirik: The best part is that they "don't normally do account transfers" so they were all acting like they were doing me some big favor, compensating for their illiterate programmers |
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| 18:34.20 | Shirik_ | so it's not an item you pick up |
| 18:34.24 | Shirik_ | it's like a one shot thing |
| 18:34.58 | Dagmar | It's like vampirically absorbing their left behind life force |
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| 18:35.15 | Dagmar | ...or maybe cannibalism tartare |
| 18:36.13 | Shirik_ | aha! |
| 18:36.20 | Shirik_ | Cide: want to hear something awesome? |
| 18:36.41 | Shirik_ | It is impossible to write an RFC2822/RFC5322 compliant regex |
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| 18:36.54 | Dagmar | Oh it's possible |
| 18:36.58 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 18:37.04 | Shirik_ | impossible |
| 18:37.12 | Shirik_ | because of section A5 - Arbitrary nesting |
| 18:37.18 | Dagmar | ...or do you consider any resulting regexp that is utterly unreadable to be invalid |
| 18:37.37 | Shirik_ | no I mean it's impossible to write such a regex |
| 18:38.01 | Dagmar | Meh, arbitrary nesting is actually mostly ignored |
| 18:38.03 | Lopeppeppy | Shakespeare loved regexes too. |
| 18:38.35 | Dagmar | Shirik: I've actually seen worse than this http://code.iamcal.com/php/rfc822/full_regexp.txt |
| 18:38.43 | Dagmar | "It weighs in at a tiny 3768 bytes. |
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| 18:39.23 | Shirik_ | see that part at the end |
| 18:39.24 | Shirik_ | If you want to strip comments too, you'll need to run this recursivley until it fails to match: |
| 18:39.27 | Shirik_ | that's why it's impossible |
| 18:39.35 | Cide | Shirik_: yeah, that's what I mean |
| 18:39.40 | Shirik_ | I mean you can functionally do it, but it requires a loop |
| 18:39.49 | Dagmar | That's exactly why I think pretty much every product out there gives it three passes and then says "fuck it" |
| 18:40.03 | Dagmar | If you're nesting more deeply than that, it's a given that you're up to something nefarious. |
| 18:40.08 | cog|work | or they don't use regexes |
| 18:40.15 | Dagmar | i.e., "you don't really expect that mail to be delivered" |
| 18:40.35 | Shirik_ | I might set up a mailbox like that just to mess with people |
| 18:40.45 | Shirik_ | hell spambots probably won't pick up on it |
| 18:41.10 | Shirik_ | maybe I could make an email address like "mpdelbuono\@gtfo.com"@shiibot.com |
| 18:41.12 | Dagmar | That's probably true |
| 18:41.22 | Shirik_ | that probably would mess up most spambots |
| 18:41.59 | cog|work | not to mention most of your friends' e-mail clients... |
| 18:42.07 | Shirik_ | that's their fault |
| 18:42.15 | Dagmar | Gmail handles addresses like that fine |
| 18:42.18 | Cide | who needs email anyway? |
| 18:42.25 | Dagmar | Exchange, on the other hand.... *grins* |
| 18:42.27 | Shirik_ | THE LOCAL PART IS TO BE INTERPRETED ONLY BY THE DESTINATION HOST |
| 18:42.32 | cog|work | Cide: wave imo |
| 18:42.33 | cog|work | -_- |
| 18:42.41 | Shirik_ | If their client is interpreting it, then their client needs to diaf |
| 18:44.14 | Shirik_ | for the record I do think the specification is way out of whack |
| 18:44.26 | Shirik_ | and they should just make a specification that makes more sense to what we're doing |
| 18:44.47 | Shirik_ | but the specification is a specification until it is obsolete |
| 18:44.56 | Shirik_ | you can't just ignore it because you don't like it |
| 18:45.04 | Shirik_ | then again that's what Microsoft does and they seem to be doing fine |
| 18:45.38 | Shirik_ | going home for lunch |
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| 18:50.37 | Lopeppeppy | I did NOT just click cancel instead of submit.... *facepalm* |
| 18:51.06 | kd3|netbook | ouch |
| 18:52.48 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Sounds like the computer doesn't believe you. |
| 18:53.57 | Lopeppeppy | Sadly, it doesn't. |
| 18:54.22 | Lopeppeppy | Happily, it's only about a half-hour's worth of work. And my coworkers wonder why I immediately save when one of them interrupts me? 'cause of these types of things! |
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| 18:59.35 | Dashkal | Anybody about with a Secure Hookers invite? |
| 19:02.00 | cog|work | did they fix inviting for non-guild-leaders? |
| 19:02.55 | cog|work | Dashkal: logging in as cogwheel if you want to try it... |
| 19:03.11 | Dashkal | cog|work: I'm on Savrine |
| 19:03.25 | cog|work | nope :( |
| 19:03.30 | Dashkal | Oh well |
| 19:04.00 | cog|work | of course, i'm in my own rank called "/dump killer" so maybe it's just me -_- |
| 19:04.09 | Dashkal | :P |
| 19:06.16 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
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| 19:14.52 | alestane | Because you never know when it will be Jim Butcher walking into your office, Lopeppeppy. |
| 19:15.36 | alestane | (Actually, I'm only sort of joking.) |
| 19:16.03 | alestane | I have a friend who just can't reliably use a digital watch...they all gain 10-15 minutes a day when she wears them. |
| 19:16.57 | Dagmar | The author wouldn't be a problem |
| 19:17.12 | Dagmar | Some of his characters, one in particular, I'd have to ask to leave with a cricket bat |
| 19:17.36 | alestane | Ah right, I have my names backward. |
| 19:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | I've met plenty of famous people. I'd happily be interrupted by anyone who doesn't get annoyed that I save what I'm working on immediately that they darken my doorjam. |
| 19:17.44 | alestane | Harry is the one you have to watch out for. |
| 19:17.51 | Lopeppeppy | (drives the Grand Boss NUTS when I do it) |
| 19:18.03 | Lopeppeppy | Harry is plenty polite, I wouldn't worry about meeting him. |
| 19:18.22 | alestane | As long as he doesn't come too close to your computer too fast. |
| 19:20.13 | alestane | (Sorry, haven't read the books myself, got my names mixed up.) |
| 19:20.35 | Dagmar | I woulnd't want Harry within 100 feet of me |
| 19:20.52 | Dagmar | Putting out my pockets is not something I generally want as a part of my day |
| 19:21.47 | Lopeppeppy | True, he could mess up my computer... oh well, it's college equipment anyway! |
| 19:21.47 | Dagmar | Well, maybe not without some warning at any rate |
| 19:23.05 | Dashkal | That's twice I've hit a no-fly zone and twice I've forgotten that I'm a bloddy engineer... |
| 19:24.20 | Dagmar | Which means what? Did they add no-flys that don't trigger a 'chute? |
| 19:24.29 | Dashkal | Dismount spots |
| 19:24.44 | Dashkal | Dire Maul has a couple |
| 19:25.12 | Dagmar | Oooh, like most of Un'Goro crater originally then |
| 19:25.46 | Lunessa | Heh, I learned very early on in the WotLK beta to fly close enough to the ground that I could survive the fall. |
| 19:25.49 | Dagmar | You'd be fleeing a giant t-rex, your mount would step on some wet moss and *pfft* you're on foot |
| 19:26.09 | Dagmar | Trex: OM NOM NOM |
| 19:26.37 | Lunessa | Only one of my characters is an engineer, and I hover my finger over that keybind when flying in beta. |
| 19:26.40 | Dashkal | Weee, such a beautiful day for a flight.... Where are my feathers? |
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| 19:29.21 | Lopeppeppy | I keep waiting for kd3|hate ... |
| 19:29.30 | cog|work | lulz |
| 19:29.34 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:29.43 | Fisker | donr lul< |
| 19:29.44 | Fisker | lul< |
| 19:29.45 | Fisker | lulz |
| 19:29.58 | Dagmar | Hey now, netbooks are nice |
| 19:30.21 | Fisker | depends on the netbook |
| 19:30.29 | Fisker | but kd3 won't tell since he's ashamed |
| 19:30.29 | Dagmar | You can't even really argue the keyboard size is that much of an issue, since there's been *tons* of notebooks in the past with weird-sized keyboards that didn't even have the excuse they were small |
| 19:31.09 | Dagmar | I'd like to see some netbook manufacturer grow a pair and ship one with a freaking mousenipple in the keyboard instead of trying to find innovative ways of making undersized fumblepads not suck |
| 19:31.10 | kd3|netbook | meh, it's a inspirion mini 10n |
| 19:31.20 | mikma | wobin: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/a_chest_for_all_my_lasers_rock.php |
| 19:31.22 | Dagmar | Not a bad unit |
| 19:31.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i can argue that issue if i think most notebook keyboards suck. |
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| 19:33.09 | Dagmar | NHTS: I used to type on a Zippy EL-610 on my desktop. The size thing only throws you for a week or two |
| 19:33.27 | Dagmar | The only real issue I have now is that ASUS has retarded right shift key placement |
| 19:35.28 | Fisker | i think sylvanaar is using irc on a windows mobile based mobile phone |
| 19:35.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: its absolutely personal preference, and a matter of getting used to it, I just haven't, and don't care for the quality of most laptop keyboards. |
| 19:36.04 | Fisker | most keyboards are horrible these days anyway |
| 19:37.09 | Fisker | Flat return key, and the 6 keys between numpad and the rest of the keyboard are 2 collumns instead of 3 |
| 19:37.10 | Fisker | = rage |
| 19:38.23 | Dagmar | NHTS: Since I started on a TI and hten went to a C-64, it's almost impossible for me to notice how hard you have to press keys. It took me years to get rid of the "tommy gun" sound when I type |
| 19:38.41 | Dagmar | That *was* funny when I went to a programming contest in high school tho |
| 19:39.26 | mikma | lol lol lol c++. |
| 19:39.26 | Dagmar | Sat down in a lab full of other kids, cracked my knuckles, and started blazing out 90 wpm at about 80 db like some kind of ringer |
| 19:39.39 | mikma | o u so c00l |
| 19:40.02 | Lopeppeppy | is a pouty brat today. Whine whine whine. Deliver cheese? |
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| 19:42.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | i used to love those old ibm keyboards that made the click sound |
| 19:43.16 | Lopeppeppy | Cogwheel still has one, IIRC. |
| 19:43.58 | cog|work | sylvanaar_atwork: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/keyboards.html the "Customizer 101" is a clone of the model M |
| 19:44.05 | cog|work | and all the other keyboards use the same tech |
| 19:44.14 | haste | abuses daskeyboard. |
| 19:44.22 | cog|work | i have the SpaceSaver black |
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| 19:44.57 | sylvanaar_atwork | we still have some here at the office |
| 19:45.06 | Dagmar | sylvanaar: The C-64 keyboards had actual springs under them, and they were kinda _strong_ so it required some work to push them down |
| 19:45.08 | kd3|netbook | yay pop quizzes |
| 19:45.10 | kd3|netbook | sighs |
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| 19:45.24 | cog|work | Dagmar: that's how the ibm ones are too |
| 19:45.42 | Dagmar | No, I used M's a few times. They didn't require such a hammer-handed approach to typing |
| 19:45.57 | Dagmar | The 64 keyboard left you really stabbing at keys for awhile |
| 19:46.04 | cog|work | i was referring to the "had actual springs under them" too |
| 19:46.10 | cog|work | s/too// |
| 19:46.51 | Dagmar | I probably should have said "actual bedsprings" |
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| 19:46.59 | cog|work | hehe |
| 19:47.03 | Dagmar | These weren't dainty thing |
| 19:47.16 | cog|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckling_spring |
| 19:47.33 | Dagmar | Yeah these were not like that |
| 19:48.18 | Dagmar | C-64 keys were spring-loaded like yer typical car cigarette lighter |
| 19:49.17 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Yeah, and they were rough on the fingertips. But good for the digital strength of young-ish hacker types (see what I did thur?) |
| 19:49.42 | Dagmar | Yeah I felt like that sensei from Remo Williams around other kids |
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| 19:49.46 | Fisker | That's why my right arm and hand is so muscular |
| 19:49.59 | Dagmar | "I can stab a finger right through your puny XT knockoff man" |
| 19:50.09 | mikma | trailer for torchlight 2 |
| 19:50.26 | Fisker | what happened to the mmo? |
| 19:51.01 | mikma | apparently its torchlight 2 |
| 19:51.05 | Fisker | naw |
| 19:51.18 | Fisker | that's just torchlight 1 with coop and some other improvements |
| 19:51.37 | EvilPete | I used to break keyboards after learning on 80's designs that required significant force. it took forever to unlearn the need to stab keys to make sure they noticed. |
| 19:51.51 | Dagmar | EvilPete has the know of it. :) |
| 19:51.53 | mikma | L2typewriter |
| 19:52.28 | Dagmar | mikma: The difference is kind of irrelevant since they've been basically releasing the same game over and over for the last ten years or so |
| 19:52.39 | EvilPete | ALthough.. nothing is quite as ghastly as the 80's trs-80 keyboards. |
| 19:52.46 | Dagmar | ...which might be a problem if they weren't really good about making at least twice as awesome as the previous release each time. |
| 19:53.05 | Dagmar | EvilPete: No. Their floppy drive doors had that beat |
| 19:53.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/08/18/apple_director_shoemaker_developed_fart_wiz_apps_for_iphone.html |
| 19:53.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | haha |
| 19:53.33 | Dagmar | Took about the same force to close the latch as it did to close the latch with the floppy disk halfway out, ensuring the mechanism bites it and ruins it |
| 19:53.50 | durcyn | sylvanaar_atwork: what's worse is his "experience as an app store developer" was part of the reason they hired him |
| 19:53.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah lol |
| 19:54.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | he's so getting fired |
| 19:54.34 | durcyn | apple employees have to get VP-level permission to have apps in the store, too |
| 19:54.47 | durcyn | i want to know who he went to with "ifartz" and got approval |
| 19:55.25 | Dagmar | It doesn't violate their rules, that I'm aware of |
| 19:55.41 | EvilPete | And.. its probably going to make a truckload of cash |
| 19:56.33 | EvilPete | And.. start a whole new generation of wannabe clones.. virtual-lighters/beer/etc/etc/... coming soon, 35 virtual fart apps |
| 19:56.58 | Dagmar | I liked the jiggle simulator |
| 19:57.24 | durcyn | i just want to hear a transcript of "Yo, boss, I need you to sign off on this app I wrote, it makes the sound of urine splashing." |
| 20:00.07 | Dagmar | I htink they're mainly looking to avoid the chance some employee might try to actually intercept an app submission and pass it off as their own |
| 20:00.15 | Fisker | Sweet durcyn |
| 20:00.37 | durcyn | Dagmar: or approving their own submission |
| 20:00.59 | durcyn | it's a blatant conflict of interest to be responsible for approving something that you have a stake in |
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| 20:05.10 | EvilPete | durcyn: Conflict of interest vs Another wheelbarrow load of cash going to the bank.. guess which wins? |
| 20:06.10 | Dagmar | Conflicts of interests are handled in other ways--generally with bi-annual conflict of interest disclosure forms (every place I've worked in the last decade) as well as HR policies explicitly forbidding it |
| 20:08.52 | Dagmar | Hehe. I made Spherion sorry they asked when I applied for that position at Dell. They were stupid in how they worded it, so I needed four sheets of paper. |
| 20:09.12 | Dagmar | They never read any of it. |
| 20:09.31 | Dagmar | Otherwise, the orbital death laser project would have been cause for further questioning. |
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| 20:12.43 | Dashkal | Malfurion seems to have issues being in one place :P |
| 20:14.17 | Lopeppeppy | He can't help it, he's a wild one. |
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| 20:20.08 | kd3|netbook | orbital death lasers? fun fun |
| 20:20.37 | kd3|netbook | makes a note to bury something similar in a report he has to write soonish |
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| 20:21.14 | Shirik_ | is a wild one |
| 20:21.44 | haste | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtP9_mfkoqg this! |
| 20:22.56 | Fisker | i wish haste |
| 20:26.26 | Lunessa | I do a system status report every week. No one reads it. I know, 'cause no one ever comments on the jokes I put at the end. |
| 20:27.46 | Fisker | To be certain just use various 9/11 jokes at the end |
| 20:27.54 | Fisker | That way you'll be 100% sure |
| 20:28.24 | Fisker | Wanna hear the funniest 9/11 joke? |
| 20:28.42 | Fisker | 0,81818181818181818181818181818182 |
| 20:29.17 | Xinhuan | /facepalm |
| 20:30.16 | Cide | that's funny |
| 20:43.34 | Shirik_ | Fisker: |
| 20:43.42 | Shirik_ | I think you accidentally used a comma |
| 20:43.50 | Shirik_ | I will enroll you in a US school |
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| 21:08.02 | Thunder_Child | and bad net? |
| 21:09.20 | kd3|netbook | dunno. probably not, it's less crowded right now |
| 21:09.28 | kd3|netbook | ~0.2s ping says xchat |
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| 21:23.07 | Kraps | borderlands in 66% off on steam |
| 21:23.13 | Kraps | si* |
| 21:23.18 | Kraps | is** |
| 21:23.36 | haste | too bad it sucks! |
| 21:23.53 | haste | wine: Bad EXE format for Z:\games\steam\steamapps\common\borderlands\Binaries\Borderlands.exe |
| 21:24.04 | haste | and I'm like... ffffffuuuuuu DRM that was added after release |
| 21:24.47 | kd3|netbook | /really/ doesn't get the point of drm'd stuff already on steam |
| 21:25.03 | kd3|netbook | in other drm'd news... yay, I have msdnaa access. >.> |
| 21:25.09 | Kraps | huh |
| 21:25.24 | kd3|netbook | let's see what I can get for free, not that any of it's going to get used |
| 21:25.50 | haste | windows 7 starter! |
| 21:27.32 | kd3|netbook | actually I think I can get the pro edition |
| 21:28.07 | haste | I have starter on my netbook |
| 21:28.19 | haste | it's only there because I spent like two hours removing the asus bloatware |
| 21:28.31 | haste | and it would feel so wasted to wipe it off after having done that |
| 21:28.51 | Lunessa | is wondering if he can find an extra $350 for CS5 |
| 21:28.54 | kd3|netbook | ohh... ms-dos 6.2 |
| 21:29.01 | haste | ooh! |
| 21:29.46 | kd3|netbook | aw, no 3.1 |
| 21:30.07 | kd3|netbook | wonders if he still has the 5-1/4" floppies anywhere |
| 21:32.51 | haste | I think we still have windows 98 on floppies somewhere here |
| 21:33.03 | haste | I know we have 3.1 and 95 |
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| 21:33.25 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.33 | wereHamster | did win 98 even fit onto floppies? |
| 21:33.43 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.00 | Dagmar | wereHamster: Yes, but afaik it wasn't distributed that way |
| 21:34.13 | Gagorian- | even win 95 was on cd |
| 21:34.25 | Kraps | Dagmar: what language is that? |
| 21:34.30 | Dagmar | Kraps: lolcat |
| 21:34.32 | wereHamster | well, everything fits onto floppies, the question is just on how many |
| 21:34.34 | haste | you could get win95 in floppies |
| 21:34.38 | Kraps | some old form english? |
| 21:34.41 | haste | win98 you had to create with a utility |
| 21:34.54 | Dagmar | Kraps: How are you on the internet and don't know what lolcat is |
| 21:35.05 | Kraps | i has a sarcasm |
| 21:35.12 | haste | I honestly wish I didn't know what lolcats was |
| 21:35.23 | haste | I blame caturday :( |
| 21:35.39 | Dagmar | Kraps: The fun thing is that it uses the official university font. The "official" paperwork I was given just says "<Name of University> ITS Application Hosting" and a phone number. |
| 21:35.53 | Dagmar | Two two documents look equally genuine. |
| 21:35.57 | kd3|netbook | aha |
| 21:36.01 | haste | two two |
| 21:36.56 | kd3|netbook | gah. win98 |
| 21:37.11 | kd3|netbook | "Look, I know you have the windows CD. Put it in now or the computer blows up!" |
| 21:37.36 | cog|work | kd3|netbook: lern2copythecabstothehdandinstallfromthere |
| 21:37.45 | durcyn | xcopy d:\i386 c:\i386 |
| 21:37.53 | cog|work | win98 not i386 |
| 21:38.07 | durcyn | yeah, i forgot what the hell it was named back in the day |
| 21:38.10 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:38.11 | durcyn | it's been a DECADE okay? |
| 21:39.00 | cog|work | when i was in my computer repair class (lol) I would be so bored i'd spend the entire 3 hours seeing how many times I could format and re-install win98 on my comp |
| 21:39.10 | kd3|netbook | ...! |
| 21:39.32 | cog|work | i still have my cd key memorized... |
| 21:39.44 | Lunessa | you're making me feel really goddamned old for having installed any version of DOS prior to 3.3 |
| 21:40.01 | cog|work | Lunessa: it was second edition too :P |
| 21:40.10 | Lunessa | cog|work: FUUUUUU |
| 21:40.12 | cog|work | first dos i used was 5 |
| 21:40.47 | Lunessa | is kidding. cog|work knows he's my buddy, my friend, my pal. |
| 21:40.57 | cog|work | my gnomie. |
| 21:41.22 | kd3|netbook | hrm. wonder if I can run this in something para-virtualized or if I'm going to need to find vmware |
| 21:43.12 | Dagmar | #1. Registry changes to make it look on the hard drive for files wins. |
| 21:43.33 | Dagmar | #2. Reinstalling Win98 was a completely valid and quite effective repair procedure. |
| 21:43.47 | Lunessa | cog|work: You may be short, but you're real, yo! |
| 21:43.48 | NoStress | Haha, so true. |
| 21:44.21 | Dagmar | Gnomes. Keeping it real (small) since 2002. |
| 21:44.49 | Duman | hmm |
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| 21:46.26 | TC-Work | i agree haste, borderlands is meh |
| 21:48.39 | zenzelezz | is it... borderline entertaining? |
| 21:49.14 | haste | it... actually is |
| 21:53.23 | Gagorian- | borderlands is good for a few days |
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| 21:58.14 | Lunessa | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/972322663/email-from-a-prospective-client |
| 21:59.00 | zenzelezz | I do love Clientsfromhell |
| 22:00.39 | Lunessa | It is most excellent. |
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| 22:13.08 | Kraps | that guy must have been sarcastic... |
| 22:13.12 | Kraps | right? |
| 22:13.39 | Lunessa | Home time. |
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| 22:14.28 | TC-Work | anyone ever worked with com ports in hyper-v? |
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| 22:33.37 | kd3|netbook | eh, that one was my fault |
| 22:33.44 | kd3|netbook | forgot to quit xchat before swapping networks |
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| 22:50.09 | TC-Work | SLUTBUNWALLA |
| 22:50.23 | zenzelezz | orly? |
| 22:50.50 | TC-Work | indeed |
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| 22:56.56 | cog|work | sicks an invisible protis sniper on Kraps |
| 22:57.33 | Kraps | terran have the invisible sniper... |
| 22:57.56 | cog|work | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/375109404 |
| 22:59.00 | Kraps | all those people didnt get it... |
| 23:00.43 | zenzelezz | pfft |
| 23:01.00 | zenzelezz | my semi-visible zarg sniper beats your protis sniper any day |
| 23:01.21 | Kraps | lol |
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| 23:13.27 | Kraps | derps at "kendrah, de vampaiyer slay-yer" |
| 23:14.19 | Kraps | hey cog|work "has anyone really warped in so far as to even dark templar been so much vespene like?" |
| 23:14.39 | cog|work | :) |
| 23:14.57 | Dagmar | Many bothans! |
| 23:16.32 | KarlKFI|work | english? |
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| 23:38.09 | Dagmar | argh |
| 23:38.45 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.04 | Xyphoid | don't worry, Google Sabotage is still in beta |
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| 23:44.26 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://gothamist.com/2010/08/12/cat_fashion_show.php?gallery0Pic=8#gallery |
| 23:44.36 | TC-Work | Dagmar: awesome Google goggles + a wonton for destruction = ease of use. |
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| 23:45.21 | Dagmar | Well, *I* was just looking at Google Maps and up to no good (planning ways to bypass the police cordon) |
| 23:45.52 | Dagmar | ...and I notice that and think, there really isn't any reason to have _that_ marked. It's in the maintenance group's sort of fenced-in yard. |
| 23:46.27 | Dagmar | Over on the medical center side they don't have the 40ft tall container of liquid oxygen marked (looks like the biggest propane tank you've ever seen) |
| 23:46.51 | Dagmar | If anything that should be a tourist attraction. |
| 23:47.10 | TC-Work | had to bypass police cordon here as well...blasted president |
| 23:49.36 | Dagmar | Hey at least they're diligent about his stuff |
| 23:49.45 | Dagmar | I wound up face to face with Bob Dole one afternoon while on a repair call |
| 23:50.54 | Dagmar | The door I came out didn't close properly, so I was able to go right back through it and _frolic to freedom_. :) |
| 23:51.39 | Wobin | The mental image of Dagmar -frolicking- is a scary one |
| 23:52.11 | Dagmar | I figured what the hell I've already gotten the secret service miffed at me. Hehe |
| 23:52.27 | Dagmar | I'd just cut through a building same as I did on a regular basis (when no one was looking) |
| 23:53.44 | Dagmar | I asked "Is your computer broken?" He said no. I said "Then they're right I shouldn't be here" and took my toolkit back through with me. When they couldn't open the door was when I started skipping. |
| 23:54.12 | Dagmar | Some assassin I am... skipping and frolicking like that. |
| 23:54.35 | Wobin | keeping them off balance |
| 23:54.57 | Dagmar | I get *crazy* when I think I'm in trouble and ther'es no point in worrying abou tmaking it worse |
| 23:55.58 | Dagmar | Some repair calls in the *ahem* projects where offices looked a lot like bunkers, I'd wear a cape. |
| 23:56.11 | Dagmar | Not even in the project will they shoot at a crazy white man in a cape. |
| 23:57.03 | Ressy | o.O |
| 23:57.24 | Wobin | protective camoflage |
| 23:57.26 | Dagmar | Self-respecting vice cops don't go around in capes, man, ever.\ |
| 23:57.42 | Wobin | it kinda makes sense |
| 23:58.08 | Dagmar | Neither do private detectives, skip tracers, repo men, or any of the other type of white guys someone in the projects might want to shoot at |
| 23:58.40 | Dagmar | ...which on some days can be shortened as "white guys" |
| 23:58.54 | Wobin | You could always go 'blackface' =P |
| 23:58.57 | Dagmar | (without th subclassing) |
| 23:59.02 | Dagmar | Oh hell no |
