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| 00:10.52 | Torhal | Synycyl: Hmm? |
| 00:12.11 | Synycyl | Got a little time to work with me on something in skill helper?/ |
| 00:13.05 | Torhal | What's that? |
| 00:13.42 | Synycyl | When a primary skill is abandoned it doesn't clear the skill bar for it but shifts the other skill bars up properly. I just need to figure out how to remove the bar for a skill that has been abandoned |
| 00:13.46 | Amarande | ... six eternal fire |
| 00:13.49 | Amarande | this is going to take a while to farm :| |
| 00:14.35 | Torhal | Synycyl: Ah, paste your code again |
| 00:14.51 | Synycyl | one sec |
| 00:16.10 | Synycyl | http://pastey.net/139579 |
| 00:16.14 | Synycyl | to hell with DCC lol |
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| 00:17.00 | Synycyl | I've spent the day trying to make it do checks on the tables to do removals, but haven't had any luck with it yet. So I've resolved to your guidance once again lol |
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| 00:19.52 | Torhal | looks. |
| 00:22.19 | Synycyl | BTW i updated so it would take into account the bonuses from racials and temp modifiers lol |
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| 00:24.52 | Torhal | Synycyl: So all you're wanting it to do is get rid of the bar for the skill that was unlearned? |
| 00:25.06 | Synycyl | when a primary skill is abandoned the bar needs to be removed yes |
| 00:29.26 | Torhal | Synycyl: http://paste.wowace.com/2327/ |
| 00:29.43 | Torhal | As before, this is all drycode - I just assume it works. :D |
| 00:30.23 | Synycyl | all i need is a direction lol |
| 00:31.34 | Synycyl | this hides it but its techinically still there right? |
| 00:31.46 | Synycyl | there is no remove? |
| 00:32.38 | Iriel | You cannot un-create a frame no |
| 00:32.41 | Torhal | Nope. Frames are forever |
| 00:32.42 | Synycyl | ok |
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| 00:32.50 | Iriel | usually you hide and recycle later (in your app) |
| 00:32.55 | Synycyl | then hiding them until the next fresh load is fine |
| 00:33.17 | Torhal | Aye - there aren't many so I didn't think a full recycle was necessary |
| 00:33.59 | Synycyl | how could one perform a recycle? |
| 00:34.12 | Iriel | Keep a table of 'unused' frames |
| 00:34.17 | Iriel | when you need a new one, look there first |
| 00:34.23 | Torhal | Make another table for "free" tframes |
| 00:34.29 | Iriel | it works well for repeatable things (like rows in a tabular display) |
| 00:34.43 | Synycyl | yeah... I think the need for recycle isn't really there at this time |
| 00:34.49 | Synycyl | since this is such a small addon |
| 00:35.46 | Torhal | You're making, at most, around five frames total |
| 00:36.00 | Torhal | Well, ten considering you have a bar and a static bar whatever the distinction is :) |
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| 00:40.23 | Iriel | Really when I say 'recycle' it's more "create frames as you need them, hide them if they're not needed for a while, and show them again when they're needed again'. |
| 00:40.37 | Iriel | As opposed to hiding them when they're no longer needed and re creating them when you have a new need |
| 00:41.11 | Torhal | Oh, they won't be re-created. |
| 00:41.34 | Torhal | They're in a dictionary table by skill name, so if the skill is re-learned the pre-existing frame will be shown/used again |
| 00:41.49 | Iriel | Then you're set 8-) |
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| 00:45.55 | Synycyl | didn't hide it Torhal.... hrm |
| 00:46.20 | Torhal | Synycyl: Meh. :( |
| 00:46.46 | Synycyl | hrm |
| 00:46.56 | Synycyl | actually i put it in onload shoot |
| 00:48.06 | Synycyl | ok and in the on event it doesn't show the addon at all |
| 00:48.27 | Iriel | Which event are you registering for? |
| 00:48.43 | Synycyl | SKILL_LINES_CHANGE |
| 00:48.56 | Iriel | Does that fire on login? Or just when they change afterwards? |
| 00:49.04 | Iriel | You might need to throw PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD in there too |
| 00:49.07 | Amarande | lord |
| 00:49.11 | Amarande | some people are good at competing for drops |
| 00:49.13 | Synycyl | change when they change afterward. there is a onload for the bars as well |
| 00:49.13 | Amarande | some of us are just UNFAIR |
| 00:49.20 | Amarande | we frost DKs ... fall into the unfair category. :) |
| 00:49.32 | Torhal | Synycyl: Register for TRADE_SKILL_UPDATE |
| 00:49.32 | Iriel | OnLoad is usually too early |
| 00:49.33 | Amarande | mainly because trying to beat a frost DK to the tag is pretty much useless :) |
| 00:50.00 | Synycyl | the onload is perfect actually right now... its the update that isn't working right |
| 00:50.02 | Amarande | hunters have projectile travel time |
| 00:50.10 | Amarande | most casters have either projectile travel time or cast time |
| 00:50.16 | Amarande | frost DKs have instant-cast AND instant-hit |
| 00:50.16 | Iriel | Interesting, have you tried it on a fresh login? |
| 00:50.26 | Amarande | there is literally NO WAY to compete with us for a tag :) |
| 00:50.29 | Iriel | i.e. not a reload |
| 00:50.32 | Synycyl | try again now |
| 00:51.08 | Synycyl | trying fresh login that is |
| 00:51.43 | Shirik | it's 20 to get a mount now |
| 00:51.45 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 00:51.48 | Shirik | is this crap |
| 00:51.51 | Iriel | It may well be that your skill lines event is firing on login anyway, I dont remember the specifics on which things initialize silently |
| 00:51.54 | Torhal | Shirik: Has been for a few patches now. |
| 00:51.58 | Iriel | Shirik: Welcome to the past |
| 00:51.58 | Shirik | evil |
| 00:52.01 | Shirik | evillllllllllllll |
| 00:52.10 | Shirik | I don't make new characters I have no reason to know |
| 00:52.11 | Synycyl | yeah nah with Torhal's for loops to hide have it bork lol! |
| 00:52.22 | Torhal | Shirik: Additionally, the initial flying skill is no longer slower than your epic ground mount. |
| 00:52.32 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:52.58 | Synycyl | TRADE_SKILL_UPDATE and what hide the skill based on event? |
| 00:53.31 | Torhal | Synycyl: To be honest, I don't really know. That event fires when you learn a new recipe, I do know. |
| 00:53.42 | Torhal | And I've been up since 3:30am - it's now 8:53pm |
| 00:53.44 | Torhal | :D |
| 00:53.56 | Synycyl | no worries mate you've already been a huge help |
| 00:54.20 | Amarande | yay already halfway to having enough crystallized fire for these boots |
| 00:54.29 | Synycyl | I just need to detect which skill dropped and hide the appropriate frame... I'm assuming that table is a frame name right? so I could in theory hide the frames in teh table collection of skillNames? |
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| 00:55.10 | Synycyl | I'll keep working on it i'm on painkillers that aren't letting me connect the dots lol |
| 00:55.16 | Iriel | Usually I'd do something like your 'hide no longer known' logic by scanning all of the skills and comparing with the original list |
| 00:55.24 | Iriel | i.e. your table says what they used to have |
| 00:55.29 | Iriel | The game API's tell you what they crrently have |
| 00:55.32 | Iriel | look for differences |
| 00:55.41 | Synycyl | yeah thats what I'm gonna do once i can get clear headed again |
| 00:55.49 | Synycyl | oh well back to enjoying my game lol |
| 00:57.01 | Iriel | goes back to SC2 (with some Dwarf Fortress on the other machine) |
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| 01:19.32 | Dashkal | I love GC: "The reason is that we just have it in for Survival hunters." <-- epicly out of context |
| 01:20.08 | Shirik | omg |
| 01:20.10 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmpYimaTS_A |
| 01:20.17 | Shirik | I am very depressed that this says "advanced quartet" |
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| 01:21.09 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Well, they do whine like bitches, making them perfect targets for that kind of barb |
| 01:21.15 | Shirik | also |
| 01:21.25 | Shirik | someone find me a site that converts a GMT time to UTC (or the other way) |
| 01:21.32 | Shirik | I have been looking for like 30 minutes now |
| 01:21.36 | Dagmar | Shirik: l2google |
| 01:21.38 | Shirik | I can't even find the conversion |
| 01:21.45 | Dagmar | Like seriously... ASK GOOGLE |
| 01:21.47 | Cairenn | reminds people that her main is always a hunter .... |
| 01:22.28 | Shirik | google doesn't tell me anything |
| 01:22.35 | Shirik | Cairenn is a hunter |
| 01:22.39 | Shirik | irl |
| 01:22.53 | Iriel | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time |
| 01:22.54 | Dashkal | I was under the impression that GMT was effectively equal to UTC. Just the GMT takes longer to increment the second once in awhile rather than ticking to a :60 second |
| 01:23.05 | Shirik | GMT doesn't have leap seconds |
| 01:23.07 | rljohn | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html |
| 01:23.12 | Shirik | so it's slowly getting further off |
| 01:23.17 | Dashkal | Yeah, but it doesn't diverge, it just has a long second |
| 01:23.27 | Shirik | rljohn: That site is wrong and its owner deserves to be shot |
| 01:23.30 | Shirik | UTC is not equivalent to GMT |
| 01:23.34 | Dagmar | No, it doesn't believe in them. |
| 01:23.48 | rljohn | sorry i just googled timezone converter |
| 01:23.49 | rljohn | lol |
| 01:23.56 | rljohn | i'll be over there now.. |
| 01:24.00 | rljohn | is in corner. |
| 01:24.09 | Shirik | that's how all the sites are |
| 01:24.12 | Shirik | "UTC / GMT" |
| 01:24.25 | Dagmar | Look at Wikipedia |
| 01:24.30 | Shirik | I'm going to go on a ... what was that lawyer's name that always sued game companies for violence |
| 01:24.35 | Shirik | thompson |
| 01:24.49 | Shirik | I'm going to go pull a Thompson and sue all the websites that say "UTC / GMT" |
| 01:24.51 | Dagmar | Probably arguments of this nature are the exact reason that you can't type "0300 gmt in utc" into Google and have it just tell you |
| 01:24.55 | Iriel | Shirik: In casual use, when fractions of a second are not important, Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) can be considered equivalent to UTC or UT1. |
| 01:25.03 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:25.04 | Iriel | Shirik: So i think for most uses the claim they're the same is valid ENOUGH |
| 01:25.07 | Shirik | but I want to know how far off they are |
| 01:25.12 | Iriel | Those who care know it's not the case |
| 01:25.12 | Shirik | that's all I want to know |
| 01:25.15 | Shirik | but nobody seems to know |
| 01:25.21 | Shirik | or nobody seems to advertise it |
| 01:25.32 | Iriel | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUT1 |
| 01:25.40 | Iriel | I'm surprised your wikipedia fu is so weak |
| 01:25.41 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 01:25.58 | Shirik | but that's between UT1 and UTC |
| 01:26.21 | Dashkal | Shirik: Last I read (it was in some programming text) it was that UTC actually ticked to 0:00:60 and GMT has a "long second" to cover the same time |
| 01:26.29 | Dagmar | "Less than 0.9 seconds" |
| 01:26.42 | Shirik | UT1 is not GMT no? |
| 01:26.55 | Shirik | it could be I don't know |
| 01:27.00 | Dagmar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time |
| 01:27.06 | Dagmar | It's in the first two paragraphs |
| 01:27.30 | Dagmar | Being that UT1 is mean solar time in Greenwich... |
| 01:27.59 | Shirik | but that doesn't make it GMT :) |
| 01:28.13 | Iriel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Mean_Time |
| 01:28.34 | Dagmar | Actually, it does as much as it is the same as UTC |
| 01:28.51 | Shirik | ok you're right" Time and Timekeeping GMT-Greenwich Mean Time-is UT1. " |
| 01:29.08 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 01:29.10 | Iriel | AS they note, GMT is not sufficiently specific to tell you which is meant |
| 01:29.23 | Shirik | I guess I shouldn't start here |
| 01:29.27 | Iriel | Which is why pedants tend to be more specific. |
| 01:29.31 | Shirik | first I'll start by shooting all the people that say EST without meaning EST |
| 01:29.36 | Shirik | then I'll move onto PST |
| 01:29.40 | Shirik | then I'll tackle the GMT/UTC problem |
| 01:29.43 | Dagmar | ....but under a second's difference, it doesn't fuckin' matter |
| 01:29.46 | Iriel | If it's a civil time, then GMT == UTC |
| 01:30.07 | Dagmar | UTC is slightly more scientific |
| 01:30.09 | Dashkal | The GMT page claims == http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMT |
| 01:30.21 | Dagmar | ...meaning it's still the same time, it's just been made more fucking complex to shut the obsessives up. |
| 01:31.04 | Shirik | what about the difference in time between the top of the empire state building and the ground? |
| 01:31.16 | Shirik | Why don't we have altitude-specific time zones? |
| 01:31.22 | Iriel | Because that makes no sense |
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| 01:31.31 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:31.39 | Iriel | The time is the time |
| 01:31.47 | Dagmar | Because unlike in the comic books, flying around the planet real fast won't let you go back in time |
| 01:32.03 | Shirik | the time difference between a high point and a low point has been measured |
| 01:32.07 | Dagmar | That ratchety bit called "the international date line" will throw you forward a day every time |
| 01:32.10 | Shirik | I'm not sure where it was |
| 01:32.12 | Dashkal | Yeah, I don't care about time differences on that scale... |
| 01:32.19 | Dagmar | Time is not space. |
| 01:32.29 | Shirik | that's because neither time nor space exist! |
| 01:32.31 | Shirik | it's spacetime |
| 01:32.31 | Dashkal | Nah, earth's gravity well does affect time |
| 01:32.35 | Iriel | Shirik: the difference in the local passage of time varies by velocity |
| 01:32.43 | Iriel | Shirik: relativity and all that |
| 01:32.43 | Shirik | gravity also affects time |
| 01:32.45 | Dagmar | No, the rate of entropic collapse affects/is time. |
| 01:32.49 | Dashkal | Doesn't it flow slightly faster on the ISS? |
| 01:33.06 | Shirik | well it depends |
| 01:33.08 | Dashkal | Or was it slower? I forget |
| 01:33.10 | Shirik | you have the reduced gravity, so it's slower |
| 01:33.16 | Shirik | but you have the increased velocity, so it's faster |
| 01:33.20 | Shirik | so I guess it could go either way |
| 01:33.28 | Shirik | depends on which is stronger |
| 01:33.32 | Iriel | But that's the perceived time |
| 01:34.11 | Dagmar | You peeople have never even heard of quantum mechanics, have you |
| 01:34.21 | Shirik | actually Iriel has a point |
| 01:34.25 | Shirik | it's the rate of time that changes |
| 01:34.25 | Iriel | Dagmar: I have, i'm trying to explain that, sort of. |
| 01:34.26 | Warloco | hellfire while moving works now |
| 01:34.27 | Warloco | :D |
| 01:34.39 | Iriel | All of our time standards are defined from a logical point of reference |
| 01:34.40 | Dashkal | Well, go for an objective measure. Say, atomic decay. |
| 01:34.45 | Dagmar | "shit happens" when one wave state collapses into another. |
| 01:34.49 | Shirik | so I mean we could put different clocks at different altitudes |
| 01:34.55 | Shirik | but it's not like you're going back in time by going in the air |
| 01:35.04 | Shirik | or you could be |
| 01:35.09 | Shirik | it dependds on how we define it |
| 01:35.10 | Iriel | Right, you might age slightly slower/faster |
| 01:35.21 | Iriel | I forget the name of the thought experiment |
| 01:35.25 | Shirik | I think we need a new time system |
| 01:35.31 | Dagmar | It's called "confuse people who don't know science" |
| 01:35.33 | Shirik | screw 60s anyway |
| 01:35.36 | Shirik | we can blow that away at the same time |
| 01:35.40 | Dashkal | Gogo metric time |
| 01:36.10 | Dagmar | Seriosuly, astronauts don't turn into babies no matter how hard you throw them down a gravity well |
| 01:36.40 | Dagmar | Babies occasionally turn into astronauts, but only with patience and proper training |
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| 01:37.07 | Dashkal | Meh, I'm still waiting for someone to finally figure out what's going on under the "quantum hood". Is it actually random? Fractal? |
| 01:37.27 | Dagmar | You and me both. The best I can figure is it's right back to the flatlander thing |
| 01:37.29 | Iriel | I'm still scared it's going to be a finite state automata 8-) |
| 01:37.42 | Dagmar | It's happening in dimensions we can't easily understand because we don't exist in them |
| 01:37.55 | Dagmar | ...but I'm still sticking with the quantum mechanics folks. |
| 01:38.15 | Dashkal | That's the thing. Is it? Or is that just a handy explanation to make our math work when we're really approching it wrong. |
| 01:38.22 | Dashkal | I can make models, but we cannot test. |
| 01:38.30 | Dagmar | It's not making our math work, either. :) |
| 01:39.06 | Dashkal | Fortunately, there are enough scientists in that field who accept they don't know that there's hope for progress. |
| 01:39.12 | Dagmar | So you've got all these eigenstates, right? |
| 01:39.19 | Dagmar | Add cheese to them. |
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| 01:39.39 | Dagmar | Now they're eigenstates with cheese, and they don't make a bit more sense that way either. |
| 01:39.44 | Iriel | Dagmar: What kind of cheese? |
| 01:39.56 | Dagmar | I would think a rather finite kind of cheese. |
| 01:40.03 | cralor | hmm... why is my Beta Launcher all red now? :( |
| 01:40.11 | cralor | like all of it is required |
| 01:40.21 | cralor | or something |
| 01:40.22 | kd3 | there was a quick tools patch that happened first |
| 01:40.25 | Dashkal | brb, rebooting |
| 01:40.28 | Dagmar | ...but when they transition from one state to another, that's time. |
| 01:40.29 | kd3 | I'm stuck watiing for the relaunch to happen |
| 01:40.35 | Iriel | Dagmar: http://amultiverse.com/2010/08/03/lower-your-standards/ |
| 01:40.37 | cralor | kd3: yeah the tools broke it =/ |
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| 01:40.55 | Dagmar | Whew |
| 01:41.05 | Dagmar | I thought for a minute there someone had stolen my eigen-cheese theory |
| 01:41.07 | cralor | it no longer shows the speed / progress of the download either |
| 01:41.11 | cralor | frozen |
| 01:41.22 | Iriel | Dagmar: isn't it more of an eigencracker theory? |
| 01:41.53 | Dagmar | No, the point is that the cheese doesn't make them any more sensible because they have no context with our current existance |
| 01:42.29 | Dagmar | Not quite a "Magnets! How do they work?!?!" thankfully |
| 01:43.32 | kd3 | grrrcrap |
| 01:43.36 | kd3 | c'mon, launcher. work |
| 01:44.02 | Amarande | yay. sixty crystallized fire. |
| 01:44.12 | Amarande | ... now I just need the damned titansteel |
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| 01:45.10 | Dagmar | @#$@ |
| 01:45.29 | Amarande | Dagmar: wha? |
| 01:45.30 | Dagmar | I had a way to put this that made sense a few nights ago. I'll have to paste it if I can remember it |
| 01:45.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: Eigenstates are rather important to the explanation |
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| 01:48.03 | Dagmar | They change when observed for a reason, too |
| 01:48.46 | kd3 | ooh. new loading screens |
| 01:48.50 | Amarande | eigenstates are interesting. |
| 01:48.54 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Load_easternkingdoms.jpg |
| 01:48.58 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Load_kalimdor.jpg |
| 01:49.04 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Load_northrend.jpg |
| 01:49.28 | kd3 | zomg bolvar on the northrend one |
| 01:49.50 | Amarande | whatever becomes of bolvar when you finish ICC, anyway? |
| 01:50.09 | Amarande | I only got to festergut and rotface before our raid stopped having the juice to finish |
| 01:50.11 | kd3 | last I heard is that 'nobody knows what's happening in ICC atm' |
| 01:50.17 | Dagmar | Still not convinced it's Bolvar\ |
| 01:50.39 | Dagmar | When my friends who were burned to death mysterious come back as a talking briquette, I ask a few more questions |
| 01:50.44 | Amarande | we got marrowgar, deathwhisper, lootship, saurfang, festergut, and rotface, then we had several atts at putricide and valithria |
| 01:51.44 | Dagmar | s/mysterious/mysteriously/ |
| 01:54.18 | kd3 | whee! a few minutes of writing... something... at 3mb/s to disk, the downloader updates |
| 01:54.19 | kd3 | yay |
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| 01:58.20 | Amarande | yay time to sell off mass quantities of mats to fund this gear upgrade |
| 01:59.19 | Amarande | and damn you hellfrozen bonegrinders why must you have a strength socket bonus and a blue socket :( |
| 02:00.06 | cralor | kd3: is this bad? http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3079/capturebc.png |
| 02:00.44 | cralor | yellow got gulped and is never coming back... |
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| 02:10.58 | taroven | Anyone aware of a way to sort a table by a contained value? ie, sorting table t by t.priority or something similar? |
| 02:11.11 | Arrowmaster | !api table.sort |
| 02:11.12 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'table.sort' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-table.sort |
| 02:12.04 | taroven | Arrowmaster: I plead 13-hour work day. =P |
| 02:14.10 | Shirik | psh |
| 02:14.14 | Shirik | my work day consisted of |
| 02:14.17 | Shirik | go to 1 hour meeting |
| 02:14.21 | Shirik | go play in the park |
| 02:14.33 | Shirik | I got paid to go to a barbeque and play volleyball today |
| 02:14.35 | Shirik | it was quite epic |
| 02:15.41 | taroven | Luuuucky. |
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| 02:31.12 | Warloco | lol at the spellpower on the blue level 80 staff |
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| 02:34.58 | Dashkal | yay, my quest is finished. Now to wait until late so the damn mobs aren't camped to death by everybody else stuck there |
| 02:35.07 | Dashkal | s/finished/fixed |
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| 02:40.58 | Odlaw | WTF are they thinking with buffing mob dmg |
| 02:41.14 | Iriel | My guess is they're thinking "those mobs are too easy" |
| 02:41.18 | Iriel | Just a hunch |
| 02:41.21 | Odlaw | i now have 2x fresh quest geared 80s.. hunter and warlock..and both of them are not easy in that place |
| 02:41.50 | Odlaw | too easy.. to the premade full t10 geared people maybe |
| 02:42.12 | Odlaw | with my little warlock who only has 12k hp.. the mobs in hyjal were hittin me for 4k right at the start |
| 02:42.27 | Odlaw | im not lookin forward to them hittin me for 10k |
| 02:51.11 | Maldivia | is it all damage or only their melee damage they're buffing? |
| 02:51.50 | Maldivia | because the shadow priests in deepholm were already hitting very hard, and if they will be hitting 4x as hard now, that will be insane |
| 02:52.43 | Amarande | 24 hour extended maint on some servers "to prepare for the upcoming expansion" |
| 02:52.51 | Amarande | would that mean it's coming soon now? |
| 02:52.57 | kd3 | no |
| 02:53.02 | kd3 | they're doing that for all battlegroups |
| 02:53.05 | kd3 | it's hardware upgrades |
| 02:53.14 | Amarande | Warloco: remember that caster weapons are the ONLY items in cata that will be getting spellpower directly anymore |
| 02:53.34 | Amarande | I imagine they'll be getting quite a lot, in order to balance out that spellpower comes mainly from int now, a stat that gives other benefits |
| 02:53.43 | Amarande | so they don't have to give out so much int things go out of balance on that |
| 02:54.26 | Amarande | aright, now it's time for me to sit back and wait for people to buy my auctions so I can buy eight titansteel bars and get these boots made |
| 02:54.28 | Thunder_Child | Odlaw: you mentioned the 2 best soloers in the game |
| 02:54.50 | Amarande | I thought DKs were the best soloers? |
| 02:55.10 | Amarande | and become even more so in areas where there are a lot of players, since DKs, especially frost DKs, are by far the fastest taggers |
| 02:55.36 | Amarande | remember: hunter can shoot instantly, but the projectile has to travel |
| 02:55.51 | Amarande | other melees pretty much have to move into melee (or throw/avengers shield but THAT has a travel time) |
| 02:56.02 | Amarande | caster spells tend to either not be instant, or have a travel time, or both |
| 02:56.06 | Amarande | icy touch = hits NOW. |
| 02:56.20 | Amarande | and so does howling blast for that matter. |
| 02:57.22 | Amarande | Odlaw: how does the starter hyjal quest gear compare to high end LK gear? |
| 02:57.32 | Amarande | I'm guessing it rather sucks by comparison and there is no big gear reset for cata? |
| 02:59.35 | kd3 | oh there is... hyjal/vashjir quest rewards are 277 |
| 03:01.49 | Amarande | kd3: green 277 though I presume |
| 03:01.57 | Amarande | which probably isn't better than epic 277, or maybe even epic 264 |
| 03:02.09 | kd3 | yes, but even considering the lack of sockets... it's still upgrades for the majority of the playerbase |
| 03:02.35 | Amarande | yeah I'm just wondering if I'm going to be upgrading much of my gear in the first zones |
| 03:02.43 | kd3 | you will |
| 03:02.44 | Amarande | or if I'll be going to the third zone with mostly my 80 raid/badge gear |
| 03:03.58 | Iriel | Warlock will be hard if drain soul doesn't work. |
| 03:04.08 | Iriel | Odd underlining |
| 03:06.33 | Amarande | well that's fail |
| 03:06.49 | Amarande | you apparently have to actually stick your neck out and level your bankalt to 10 to be able to properly use the remote AH :| |
| 03:07.19 | Amarande | unless I'm bungling something up here |
| 03:07.48 | Amarande | but it doesn't seem I am :| |
| 03:08.04 | smcn | looks like thrall is wearing his balls around his neck now |
| 03:08.06 | Amarande | if you have a level 1 bankalt like so many of us do, you try to pick that character so you can go look at her auctions and it fails up because level 1's aren't found in the armory |
| 03:08.26 | Amarande | even though they're listed on the character select list when you click "more characters" |
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| 03:09.28 | Amarande | also how does my level 12 have 0 achievement points when level 10 is worth 10 |
| 03:10.49 | Wobin | are the points retroactive? |
| 03:11.15 | Iriel | I wonder if that one doesn't get evaluated ntil you level |
| 03:12.29 | Amarande | might also be because I'm not at all sure now when the last time I logged onto that character was |
| 03:12.35 | Amarande | it could quite conceivably have been before 3.0 |
| 03:23.11 | Amarande | BTW |
| 03:23.22 | Amarande | why do Blizzard keep fixing zealously instance bugs that can be used to benefit players |
| 03:23.32 | Amarande | but consistently back burner by comparison ones that are bad for us? |
| 03:23.36 | Amarande | like they fix all the HoR exploits |
| 03:23.44 | Amarande | but they do nothing about the PoS Tyrannus event bugout |
| 03:24.12 | Amarande | apparently being able to go behind the lich king was a PRIORITY over the fact that it's so easy to make the Tyrannus battle dead in the water short of resetting instance? |
| 03:24.48 | Amarande | I don't know about Blizzard sometimes ... if I'm designing something, I tend to think the priority should be bugs that actually cause stuff to break, rather than ones that simply cause things to become too easy :) |
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| 03:26.33 | Amarande | unless it's a business thing (i.e., a Tyrannus bugout on heroic, causes people to need to play an additional day of WoW for another chance at the loot ... while if it's too easy to get stuff from HoR, that cuts DOWN on the number of days people need to play and risks more inter-expansion cancellation hiatuses from more players ...) |
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| 03:53.28 | Ackis | beta bug reporting tool is bugged lol |
| 03:55.21 | Motig | what's bugged about it? |
| 03:56.10 | kd3 | can't type |
| 03:56.18 | Motig | :\ |
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| 03:56.55 | Ackis | the irony eh? |
| 03:57.10 | Motig | talking about bugs - just managed to fix a bug in my addon that kept crashing wow :p |
| 03:57.11 | Ackis | who's fraction btw? |
| 03:57.15 | Ackis | and I see Dashkal! |
| 04:00.31 | Iriel | That would be me. |
| 04:00.37 | Iriel | (Fraction) |
| 04:00.40 | Ackis | ahh |
| 04:00.44 | Iriel | My gnome, anyway |
| 04:00.45 | Iriel | thus the name |
| 04:00.51 | Ackis | makes sense |
| 04:01.26 | Ackis | well danke for the invite |
| 04:04.08 | myrkraverk | Why does the beta downloader say my download is not authorized, yet downloads? |
| 04:06.41 | Amarande | how can you crash wow with an addon? |
| 04:06.42 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Iriel |
| 04:06.42 | purl | nabs the moon and broadsides Iriel with the sea of tranquility |
| 04:07.53 | Motig | well it wasn't exactly a crash Amarande, it was iterating twice over the same table that kept growing rapidly in a short timespan and eventually it'd break |
| 04:07.55 | Motig | so it was just unefficient |
| 04:08.04 | Motig | and it made the game hang eventually |
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| 04:14.20 | Dagmar | woot I remembered the missing piece |
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| 04:17.38 | Dagmar | Datacenters are full of white noise just like a shower. This helps. |
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| 04:41.06 | Wobin | are you naked now? o.O |
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| 04:53.44 | Shirik | Your quote for the day: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever" |
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| 04:54.37 | Thunder_Child | Have sex as if you would be castrated the next day |
| 04:55.01 | Corrodias | Make war as if glory is forever. |
| 05:02.49 | Dagmar | Wobin: Very much NOT naked in the DC. Too fucking cold in there for one thing |
| 05:03.06 | Dagmar | If I popped a floor panel without pants on, it would be instant falsetto |
| 05:03.16 | Dagmar | 55F air and lots of it |
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| 05:12.41 | kd3 | 55F? mmm... nice |
| 05:12.46 | kd3 | wonders what it got up to today |
| 05:15.40 | Shirik | it got up to 95 here today :< |
| 05:15.49 | kd3 | much the same |
| 05:16.01 | kd3 | don't think we haven't hit mid 90s for a few weeks now |
| 05:16.07 | ccox | pally healers with righteous fury up -- should they be shot, or pushed out an airlock? Discuss. |
| 05:16.17 | kd3 | space 'em |
| 05:16.25 | Shirik | I concur |
| 05:16.27 | kd3 | rather, shoot, then space 'em |
| 05:16.33 | Shirik | why not airlock then shoot? |
| 05:16.57 | kd3 | how do you shoot through the airlock door? |
| 05:17.09 | Shirik | maybe you have a gun on your ship |
| 05:17.09 | kd3 | unless you're talking about using the ship's artillery, in which case that works too |
| 05:22.48 | Shirik | hugs Cairenn |
| 05:22.58 | Cairenn | hugs Shirik |
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| 05:30.51 | Amarande | Cairenn! :) |
| 05:30.56 | Amarande | and yay, got my 264 boots finally :D |
| 05:31.06 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
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| 05:32.25 | Shirik | Cairenn was being a ninja |
| 05:32.27 | Shirik | but we found her |
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| 05:35.03 | Amarande | Cairenn, everything okay with the daughter btw? |
| 05:35.25 | Amarande | is having a great evening meanwhile, except for want of another bold cardinal ruby |
| 05:35.37 | Cairenn | I haven't yet managed to persuade her to go get an xray, so I don't know |
| 05:35.48 | Amarande | :( |
| 05:35.50 | Cairenn | it's majorily swollen up now |
| 05:36.00 | Amarande | well, it'll heal eventually, but it might heal badly if it's broken :( |
| 05:36.15 | Cairenn | but she swears it's just a sprain, so |
| 05:36.19 | Amarande | god please tell me Alvaerin knows bold cardinal ruby ... |
| 05:36.21 | Amarande | squee. she does. |
| 05:36.50 | Amarande | and hopefully it's just a sprain |
| 05:36.57 | Amarande | some things can take a while to heal, even if they're pretty minor |
| 05:36.59 | Cairenn | yep |
| 05:37.12 | Cairenn | you don't have to tell me about that one |
| 05:37.13 | Amarande | I bruised up something hiking in TN a few weeks ago and it wasn't till a few days ago till my foot wasn't aching while walking |
| 05:37.40 | Yssaril | still should see a doctor imo better to go and it being just a sprain than to not go and it being fractured |
| 05:37.55 | Cairenn | oh, I know, but she's an adult, it's up to her |
| 05:38.03 | Yssaril | how old? |
| 05:38.10 | Cairenn | 22 |
| 05:39.33 | Amarande | Cairenn, you never seem like you're old enough that you could have a 22 year old daughter ;) |
| 05:39.39 | Shirik | oh sweet she's my age |
| 05:39.42 | Shirik | hides |
| 05:39.55 | Cairenn | just sighs and rolls her eyes at Shirik |
| 05:40.10 | Yssaril | Cairenn: take her out to eat/shop/whatever but drive her to the doc instead :P |
| 05:40.19 | Cairenn | heh, no |
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| 05:43.18 | Amarande | yay. that makes my second piece of 264, and now I only have one more 200 |
| 05:43.18 | Amarande | but a 200 which is semi-acceptable to raid with until I upgrade it :) |
| 05:43.18 | Amarande | since it's a darkmoon card |
| 05:44.06 | Yssaril | Amarande: nice (darkmoon kards have always been OP for their level) |
| 05:46.35 | Jamash | you know I'm kind of glad that addons are disabled on the beta right now |
| 05:46.48 | Jamash | I don't have to go augh they broke my addon every patch and try to fix it |
| 05:48.29 | Yssaril | Jamash: bahh i want addons enabled so that i can start my next addon project |
| 05:49.47 | Amarande | wow, going from a 200 to a 264 boot raised my GS by 210 |
| 05:49.53 | Amarande | I'm not at all sure anymore how GS calculates LOL |
| 05:49.59 | Amarande | but now I'm up to 5028 |
| 05:55.14 | Amarande | elitist armory has real money trading ads now :( |
| 05:55.56 | Yssaril | elitist armory? |
| 05:56.50 | Amarande | website, rates your gear like the EG addon does |
| 05:57.19 | Amarande | and dammit does no one do TOC25 anymore? |
| 05:59.29 | Amarande | http://www.elitistarmory.com/g/US/Turalyon/Clad%20in%20the%20light/0/9 apparently my DK is the best geared character in the guild |
| 06:06.13 | Amarande | (I believe the guy with ilvls below 100 was a hack victim. :() |
| 06:07.12 | Dagmar | Amarande: Probably Blizz will bear this out later, but no I don't think there's a lot of people doing ToGC25 anymore because if you can do that, you can make a damn fine showing of a run into ICC which has better loots |
| 06:07.33 | Dagmar | I've been in there for the weekly |
| 06:07.35 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm mostly thinking of a few specific slots where TO(G)C25 would be useful for me |
| 06:07.49 | Amarande | there's a trinket, and Anub drops a polearm that would be just lovely to get my tank set off the ground |
| 06:07.55 | Dagmar | Scrounge around for a PUG, you might get lucky |
| 06:08.09 | Amarande | Would have been boots, but I already went for the 264 crafted boots |
| 06:09.14 | Dagmar | I wanna better gun, but I don't think I'm going to get one before Cata |
| 06:09.54 | Amarande | ahh are you at the point where you basically need 2200 arena rating to get anything better? |
| 06:10.19 | Dagmar | That or some luck in ICC which hasn't manifested |
| 06:11.09 | Amarande | I still remember pre ICC when I was considering bow possibilities for my hunter at 80 and despairing |
| 06:11.29 | Amarande | since about the only good one that was even remotely accessible was the one from Auriaya 25 |
| 06:11.44 | Amarande | but now I don't even think my hunter's going to hit 80 before cata so lol |
| 06:11.56 | Dagmar | I'm rolling around with the True-aim Long Rifle, and with one exception, everything better drops in ICC |
| 06:12.14 | Amarande | ... and the one exception is the pvp one that takes 2200 rating I'm guessing :) |
| 06:12.39 | Amarande | you know, sometimes I wonder if some of those arena weapons are things anyone even HAS |
| 06:12.54 | Dagmar | Heroic Pit of Saron has a Felglacier Bolter, but that's a freaking crossbow and I'm a dwarf |
| 06:13.00 | Amarande | simply because high end arena tends to get dominated by certain particular character builds |
| 06:13.07 | Amarande | while there are arena weapons for basically all builds |
| 06:13.13 | Dagmar | ~130 DPS upgrade, but screw that |
| 06:13.14 | Amarande | which means some probably have never ever been bought :S |
| 06:13.40 | Dagmar | About ~200 DPS if I bought the Rowan's Rifle of Silver Bullets, but fuck spending that money for such a small increase |
| 06:13.52 | Amarande | as for why I wanted a bow on my hunter? well, that would only have mattered if I expected to hit 80 before Cata |
| 06:14.11 | Amarande | make that "hit 80 and at least get to farm trash in ICC" really |
| 06:14.30 | Krahg | Dagmar, you want a rifle? |
| 06:14.32 | Dagmar | Hit 80, pound heroics for your T9 and you can certainly go whacking at ICC |
| 06:14.40 | Amarande | Amaagnar's Gnomish Engineering, so he would have ended up with the arrows recipe |
| 06:14.41 | Dagmar | Krahg: Dwarf == guns |
| 06:14.54 | nevcairiel | dont you need like 6k gearscore to be invited into any icc group these days? =P |
| 06:14.55 | Krahg | There is a nice rifle from Bloodqeen (I think) Might be princes. |
| 06:15.08 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I went with sub 4800 the other night :) |
| 06:15.17 | Amarande | we actually got 6/12 before the raid didn't seem to have enough oomph to go on |
| 06:15.22 | Krahg | I take players with less than 5 k all the time |
| 06:15.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: Thank god the guys on my server have gotten some sense and are treating that ammo like commodity supplies. THey're making it in piles and selling it for a modest markup just because it takes no time |
| 06:15.38 | Dagmar | So like, everyone at 80 is rolling with purple ammo if they want |
| 06:15.46 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah when 3.3 was just coming out I was expecting the purple ammo was going to be stupid expensive |
| 06:15.47 | Krahg | I didn't get my hunter to 6k+ instancely He played with more expeerience players to get here |
| 06:16.01 | Amarande | however, as I don't play my hunter much, I may not reach 80 before Cata at all and then ammo doesn't matter |
| 06:16.01 | nevcairiel | stupid ammo, at least they are removing that shit |
| 06:16.02 | Dagmar | It was stupidly expensive at first |
| 06:16.17 | Krahg | so I take less experience players with me and only expect them to know their class, that is all. |
| 06:16.19 | Amarande | Dagmar, are you in beta btw? |
| 06:16.22 | Dagmar | Now it's about 20-40% over materials cost, which is a lot more useful |
| 06:16.23 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 06:16.32 | Dagmar | Without addons enabled I'd just be server load. No point. |
| 06:16.32 | Amarande | dammit. I need someone in beta with a hunter to check something for me. |
| 06:16.46 | nevcairiel | i have a lvl 14 hunter, does that count? |
| 06:16.54 | Amarande | nev: needs to be 81+, that's the whole point |
| 06:16.59 | Dagmar | Krahg: I wind up fussing at a bunch of them |
| 06:17.02 | Amarande | I want to find out if I can get a purple spider in Caa |
| 06:17.03 | Amarande | Cata |
| 06:17.09 | Amarande | dammit, I hate this new keyboard with a passion |
| 06:17.15 | Dagmar | Too many of them run around thinking their only job is to shoot the primary target |
| 06:17.34 | Dagmar | If the healer dies before the hunter, the hunter was slacking. |
| 06:17.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah that sort of attitude is why we wiped on saurfang. :) |
| 06:17.48 | Krahg | I have a hunter in TOC with me the other night yeilding rimefangs claw, and SP trinket and he passed on an AGI/AP weapon. |
| 06:17.50 | Amarande | I was too singlemindedly focusing on Saurfang the first att, and the bloodbeasts drained too much |
| 06:17.55 | nevcairiel | hunters die? at the first sign of trouble they run into the next corner and feign death |
| 06:17.55 | Krahg | I had to tell him to take it. |
| 06:18.01 | Dagmar | Krahg: lol |
| 06:18.04 | Amarande | second att, as soon as they spawned I would immediately go wail on one of them until dead and things went awesomely. |
| 06:18.17 | Krahg | He was also melee most of the fights |
| 06:18.19 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Lame hunters run before the healer is dead |
| 06:18.30 | Amarande | 'course this was as a DK |
| 06:18.36 | Dagmar | Krahg: THat guy was probably tryin to get a rise out of people then |
| 06:18.37 | Amarande | anyway, the thing about purple spiders is |
| 06:18.42 | Amarande | there are only two purple spiders in the game |
| 06:18.50 | Amarande | one of them is at the back of that cave in storm peaks, and cannot be tamed |
| 06:18.54 | Krahg | but when I first met him a few months ago he was wearing a robe and the red sword of courage |
| 06:19.02 | Amarande | the other one is in Naxxramas, and I want to know if those are "cannot be tamed" as well |
| 06:19.03 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 06:19.08 | Krahg | at least he got a complete t9 since then. |
| 06:19.15 | Amarande | right now, there is NO WAY to tell, because they are 81 and thus no one can yet tame them anyway even if it's possible |
| 06:19.31 | nevcairiel | you usually cannot tame raid mobs anyhow |
| 06:19.33 | Dagmar | I think generalyl you can't tame anything of significance in somewhere like NAxx because it would be too easy to use it as a way to take a mob out of play immediately. |
| 06:19.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: the purple spiders are trash, and not even particularly high end trash |
| 06:19.52 | nevcairiel | doesnt it take a while to tame, and its still hitting you in the mean time? |
| 06:20.07 | Krahg | Why are you not level 81 on the beta? |
| 06:20.08 | Dagmar | Yeah, but with enough buffs you can stand there for 30s |
| 06:20.16 | Amarande | Krahg: BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A BETA KEY |
| 06:20.21 | Krahg | ah |
| 06:20.23 | Amarande | *grumble* |
| 06:20.26 | Krahg | same here actually |
| 06:20.40 | nevcairiel | write more addons, maybe next time around =p |
| 06:20.47 | Dagmar | I didn't even realize people were having trouble with that fancy dino in Outlands because I'm stubborn |
| 06:20.57 | Amarande | which fancy dino in outland? |
| 06:20.58 | nevcairiel | fancy dino? |
| 06:21.07 | Dagmar | The giant nasty dinosaur elite |
| 06:21.10 | Krahg | glares menacingly up the list of names in the channel list, looking for a beta key. |
| 06:21.17 | Amarande | nevcairiel: yeah I'm starting to think my installation is probably irrelevant to Blizzard as far as beta testing is concerned :| |
| 06:21.22 | Dagmar | The one that spawns in the environmental bubble in Area 51 |
| 06:21.24 | Amarande | probably not much point for them to test Vista machines with 2GB |
| 06:21.30 | nevcairiel | oh that |
| 06:21.31 | Krahg | I am kidding, I am not menence |
| 06:21.35 | Dagmar | I cant' rememeber if he fears or stuns |
| 06:21.38 | Amarande | seeing as gamers seem to have almost all remained with XP or gone straight to Seven with 4+GB (and thus 64 bit Seven) |
| 06:21.41 | nevcairiel | probably both |
| 06:21.44 | Krahg | what do you mean 'next time around' ? |
| 06:21.49 | Cairenn | is shaking in her boots .... or not |
| 06:21.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: the 71 dino? that's not even an elite |
| 06:21.57 | Amarande | lol Cairenn |
| 06:22.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: Like I said, I didnt' even realize people were having trouble with it |
| 06:22.13 | Iriel | Amarande: I'm still on vista - admittedly 64 with 6GB |
| 06:22.23 | Krahg | are there going to be no more author invites for this beta, when you say that? |
| 06:22.33 | Dagmar | I vaguely remember going big-red the second attempt I made at it |
| 06:22.39 | nevcairiel | They want to have a fair amount of people with all system configurations, i dont think any spec disqualifys you =p |
| 06:22.45 | Cairenn | krkawho said that? |
| 06:23.06 | Krahg | I swear I saw that. |
| 06:23.09 | Cairenn | errrr, Krahg |
| 06:23.21 | Cairenn | where? |
| 06:23.27 | nevcairiel | Krahg: no idea, but when you didnt manage to get one yet, you either missed the give away, or didnt qualify until now |
| 06:23.30 | Krahg | 3:19 Nevcairiel |
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| 06:23.40 | Cairenn | because if so, it's news to me |
| 06:23.48 | Krahg | I didn't sign up before the last batch posted on the new page |
| 06:23.52 | nevcairiel | he is just reading stuff into things |
| 06:24.02 | Krahg | I just wondered what you meant by next time around :) |
| 06:24.09 | Dagmar | There'll be more expansions |
| 06:25.09 | Krahg | I was kidding about being menace though. |
| 06:25.14 | myrkraverk | If they're not giving away more beta keys, they need to change their front page ;) |
| 06:25.23 | Krahg | I would assume |
| 06:25.27 | Cairenn | no one has said there aren't more keys |
| 06:25.34 | Cairenn | geez guys, give it a rest already |
| 06:25.51 | myrkraverk | I don't really care - I have my key - surprisingly enough. |
| 06:26.16 | Krahg | I appologize, I was really reading into more than was said and didn't mean to start anything. I am sorry :( |
| 06:26.20 | Amarande | and my hunter isn't high enough level that even if I got a key I'd really have the time to test the spider thing myself :( |
| 06:26.35 | myrkraverk | You can copy premade 80s |
| 06:26.41 | myrkraverk | I'm sure one of them is a hunter. |
| 06:26.43 | Dagmar | That's what I thought I'd heard |
| 06:26.44 | Cairenn | it's okay, it just makes me a little crazy some times |
| 06:26.49 | Amarande | I'll have to be 81, and get a group for Naxx |
| 06:26.57 | nevcairiel | shouldn't you be sleeping anyway? |
| 06:26.58 | Amarande | I'm not sure why they made the ones in stormpeaks untamable though |
| 06:26.58 | Dagmar | Free epix on the PTR still make me laugh |
| 06:27.02 | Amarande | there doesn't seem to be much of a reason for it |
| 06:27.06 | Yssaril | Amarande: 80-81 isn't bad at all |
| 06:27.06 | Cairenn | I never sleep, silly |
| 06:27.11 | Krahg | Can I tell people about a different non-wow beta? Even if it's a wowdev channel? |
| 06:27.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: It's a quest mob |
| 06:27.19 | Amarande | especially with crazy not-even-really-functional things like the fire wolves in Zul'Drak being tamable |
| 06:27.23 | Cairenn | yes |
| 06:27.31 | Amarande | Dagmar: plenty of tamable quest mobs |
| 06:27.37 | Amarande | Echi-what's-his-name in the Barrens? |
| 06:27.42 | Krahg | CurseForge is giving away keys to Lotr Beta if anyone is interested |
| 06:27.48 | zenzelezz | how could Cairenn sleep with people like us keeping her busy? |
| 06:27.56 | Cairenn | there are any number of betas going on |
| 06:27.57 | Dagmar | Arne't they in endless free-play mode now? |
| 06:27.59 | Krahg | they had instance keys and 77% left last night |
| 06:27.59 | Amarande | puts a Hyatt pillow behind Cairenn's head |
| 06:28.03 | Cairenn | Krahg: so are we, on LotROI |
| 06:28.12 | Cairenn | have been for quite a while now |
| 06:28.15 | Amarande | I'd so love to own a Hyatt pillow actually |
| 06:28.18 | myrkraverk | Krahg, don't we need to have lotr in the first place for it, like wotlk? |
| 06:28.20 | Amarande | but 65 bucks for a pillow is hard to justify |
| 06:28.21 | Krahg | so if you are like me and just love testing stuff and trying new stuff, it's easy to get in that one. |
| 06:28.23 | Amarande | even if they are SUPER MEGA COMFY |
| 06:28.25 | Krahg | no I didn't |
| 06:28.29 | Cairenn | myrkraverk: yes |
| 06:28.37 | Krahg | ok maybe I am wrong then |
| 06:28.51 | nevcairiel | You know that rare mob in sholazar that hunters always want to tame, i always have so much fun slowly killing it and then seeing some hunter come along and bitch at me that he wanted it as his pet :d |
| 06:28.54 | myrkraverk | nods. |
| 06:29.06 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Someone should kill you in your sleep |
| 06:29.26 | nevcairiel | first time around i actually killed it for achievement credit, and it happend that time |
| 06:29.43 | nevcairiel | second time was just funny :D |
| 06:29.49 | myrkraverk | ;-D |
| 06:30.00 | Dagmar | Frankly, I think if they make any more of those mobs, attacking them should flag you PvPFFA |
| 06:30.13 | myrkraverk | It would be nice if we warlocks could semi-permanently enslave demons. |
| 06:30.23 | Dagmar | haahah |
| 06:30.26 | Amarande | myrkraverk: HELL YEAH. |
| 06:30.29 | Amarande | Shivarra ftw! |
| 06:30.31 | nevcairiel | what makes hunters so special that they deserve to get them as their pet, but i dont get to deserve to kill it? :d |
| 06:30.32 | Dagmar | As opposed to the semi-temporary way it works now? |
| 06:30.50 | Amarande | nevcairiel: dunno, especially since it's not even that great of a pet all told |
| 06:30.51 | myrkraverk | Yes, at least in wotlk we can't even zone with them. |
| 06:30.56 | Dagmar | "OH HELL YEA! Doomguard time! *enslave* ... *doomguard runs off*" @#$@#$@ |
| 06:31.02 | nevcairiel | special look, i guess |
| 06:31.03 | Iriel | nevcairiel: same thing that makes enchanters not able to DE that rare drop you really want |
| 06:31.11 | Amarande | also you have to be BM to tame spirit beasts |
| 06:31.12 | myrkraverk | I can't take a cursed darkhound to Vengenge landing. |
| 06:31.17 | Krahg | what is TotRIO (speficcaly the OI part) |
| 06:31.20 | Amarande | and BM is kind of the black sheep of hunter specs now |
| 06:31.29 | Dagmar | Hardly |
| 06:31.31 | Krahg | what is LotRIO (speficcaly the OI part) |
| 06:31.31 | nevcairiel | i'm told BM is still the leveling spec |
| 06:31.40 | Dagmar | It's a MONSTROUS leveling spec |
| 06:31.44 | Dagmar | It's also fine for raiding |
| 06:31.54 | Amarande | BM took a huge hit when Ulduar came out, and I'm not sure if it really recovered popularity among progression raiders after that |
| 06:31.54 | zenzelezz | Krahg: what's the I in WoWI? |
| 06:31.58 | nevcairiel | Iriel: at least my first kill was valid, achievements > hunter pets =P |
| 06:32.02 | Cairenn | LotRO - Lord of the Rings Online (aka the game) I - Interface |
| 06:32.09 | Iriel | nevcairiel: I wouldn't begrudge you your first 8-) |
| 06:32.14 | Dagmar | There is, as per usual, an unhealthy disparity between the specs if you're wearing all Best In Slot, but who the fuck has that gear |
| 06:32.15 | Iriel | nevcairiel: it's the 2nd - Nth 8-) |
| 06:32.16 | Cairenn | exactly as zenzelezz said |
| 06:32.18 | Krahg | ah, it was the 'O' throwing me off :) |
| 06:32.23 | Amarande | Granted, before the changes to pet avoidance |
| 06:32.31 | nevcairiel | its not like i see that thing every day |
| 06:32.32 | Amarande | Ulduar was HELL for BM hunters, to the point of totally decimating their DPS |
| 06:32.33 | Cairenn | the game is LotRO |
| 06:32.39 | nevcairiel | i actually havent been to sholazar for many month |
| 06:32.57 | Amarande | I'm not sure how many switched back to BM after avoidance changes fixed that though |
| 06:33.11 | Dagmar | Amarande: That and the points weren't allocated for crap for BM then. The last couple of changes they made brought them to within 10% of each other for what gear most people have |
| 06:33.13 | Amarande | The problem with Ulduar was pretty simple though |
| 06:33.24 | Dagmar | Skill can take care of 10% differences, no problem |
| 06:33.24 | Amarande | basically half of Ulduar, even more than almost everywhere else, is "don't stand in shit" |
| 06:33.43 | Dagmar | I can put this anotehr way |
| 06:33.49 | Amarande | don't stand in shit was always a huge problem for BM hunters pre avoidance changes, and given that Ulduar had an unusually huge amount of shit not to stand in ... |
| 06:33.55 | myrkraverk | If we get semi-permanent enslavement, how would it work if the demon dies (or we lose it like when entering arena) - should there be a way to get it back? |
| 06:33.57 | Krahg | Anyway, it's more fun to do stuff and have to look really hard for answers than just tab to wowhead and sometimes I get to be the player that finds something and finds it first to report it. |
| 06:34.00 | Amarande | yeah, BM hunters were so busy keeping their pets out of Dodge that their DPS suffered like hell |
| 06:34.15 | nevcairiel | btw, is it just me, or is the addonkit not working properly with the new streamign client? |
| 06:34.16 | Dagmar | Every raid I've gone on in the last year where there's been another hunter, they have either had 500 or more higher GS than me, or I have pantsed them as BM |
| 06:34.21 | Krahg | obviously I would love wow more, but I can do the same in just about anything. If that makes sense. |
| 06:34.30 | Amarande | myrkraverk, we can always go out to netherstorm or iqd and enslave another hot six armed woman |
| 06:35.05 | Amarande | but personally I prefer to hunt MM anyway |
| 06:35.08 | Dagmar | Amarande: The advantage with BM now that yeah, our pets aren't taking hits from everything at once, is that together, we can get away with more DPS without taking aggro |
| 06:35.15 | myrkraverk | Amarande, true - I was just wondering if there should (would?) be a way to re-summon the demon - at least until something else is enslaved. |
| 06:35.31 | Amarande | myrkraverk: (and would anyone really enslave anything BUT a shivarra?) |
| 06:35.44 | Amarande | actually there is one big problem with permanent enslave demon though |
| 06:35.49 | Dagmar | Since the mobs ain't lookin' at yer total DPS, just the individuals, and BM DPS is split about 60/40 on a bad day |
| 06:35.53 | Amarande | it would require some changes that would make some warlock questing a LOT harder than it is now |
| 06:36.01 | Amarande | in particular, they'd definitely have to make you no longer able to enslave elites |
| 06:36.20 | Amarande | which is how locks solo some stuff that would otherwise be extremely painful (particularly some things in netherstorm and smv) |
| 06:36.39 | Amarande | (nagrand too I think) |
| 06:36.41 | Dagmar | I thought the whole point was to capture something meaner than you are and use it to soak up the blows |
| 06:36.44 | myrkraverk | smv? I hardly ever solo anymore |
| 06:36.59 | Krahg | Shadowmoon Valley |
| 06:37.19 | Krahg | There is stuff there worth doing, like netherwing and Doomwaker |
| 06:37.25 | myrkraverk | Ah. Is that for 70s questing, or 80s? |
| 06:37.38 | Krahg | well techincally is tuned for 70 |
| 06:37.57 | Krahg | but these days hardly anyone gets there before they hit 70 and they move to Northrend |
| 06:38.21 | Krahg | My last char I need HFP, Zangarmarsh and some of Negrand and was done. |
| 06:38.24 | Dagmar | I had a hpug earlier this week that patiently put up with my antics on the lock in HoS, and I got to take a Doomguard into the shardling area |
| 06:38.36 | myrkraverk | Yeah, I didn't quest there at all I think, until after 80 maybe. |
| 06:38.38 | Dagmar | TO HAVE HIM WUSS OUT AND RUN OFF halfway through |
| 06:38.49 | Amarande | I *considered* doing SMV on the DK before I moved on to Northrend |
| 06:39.01 | Amarande | but eventually decided to finish up my netherstorm stuff and move on, since I had already reached 71 in Netherstorm |
| 06:39.15 | myrkraverk | Ah. |
| 06:39.29 | Amarande | I did go back to get to neutral with netherwing though |
| 06:39.30 | myrkraverk | I *am* considering levelling another lock and fix at 70 ;-P |
| 06:39.32 | Krahg | The LFD tool makes that possible Myrkravrk and levels fly by in the dungeons. I skipped most of northrend on my newest char as well. |
| 06:39.40 | Amarande | gonna get exalted eventually, but I'm shy a few thousand gold right now |
| 06:39.51 | Krahg | if you fix at 70, get a riding crop |
| 06:40.03 | myrkraverk | Yeah. |
| 06:40.04 | Amarande | and just spent about 3500 all told to get those 264 boots |
| 06:40.27 | Dagmar | Time to break out the night elf dancer |
| 06:40.29 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 06:40.37 | Amarande | ~700 on titansteel bars, ~25 on eternal water, ~2500 on primordial saronites and 150 tip to the crafter |
| 06:40.42 | Amarande | (the eternal fires I farmed) |
| 06:41.00 | Dagmar | A single-digit tip |
| 06:41.02 | Krahg | My primary banker is locked at 70 for the riding crop to move faster between banks and AH and vendor, but I raid with him sometimes and it's a lot of fun. |
| 06:41.04 | myrkraverk | Amarande, you can also buy eternal stuff for frozen orbs. |
| 06:41.12 | Amarande | Would have been 6000+ to buy it pre-made from AH, though |
| 06:41.32 | Dagmar | myrkraverk: That would be foolish with respect to Eternal Water |
| 06:41.34 | myrkraverk | I'm going to make the boots myself, but I can't afford all the saronite yet. |
| 06:41.51 | myrkraverk | Dagmar, eternal anything, except if one is in a hurry. |
| 06:41.53 | Amarande | Eternal Water I bought mainly for convenience's sake |
| 06:41.58 | Amarande | water element tends to come from ice elementals |
| 06:41.58 | Dagmar | Unless there's an infestation of bots on my server only farming eternal water for some reason, they are worth far less than a frozen orb |
| 06:42.01 | Amarande | and as a frost DK |
| 06:42.04 | Amarande | I HATE ICE ELEMENTALS |
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| 06:42.26 | Dagmar | I have 120 of them on my 'lock for no real reason otehr than they dropped |
| 06:42.29 | myrkraverk | I don't buy frozen orbs on the ah - they just pile up for me. |
| 06:42.49 | Amarande | I still wish there were 264 crafted rings/amulets |
| 06:43.00 | Amarande | JCs really haven't gotten any love since 2.1, pretty much |
| 06:43.05 | myrkraverk | At level 74 I got 10 given to make my frozty flying carpet. |
| 06:43.15 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 06:43.34 | Amarande | and a 264 neckpiece would be awesome for Vladoka, it'd replace a 219 |
| 06:43.40 | Amarande | and probably gain me another couple hundred points of GS or so |
| 06:43.41 | myrkraverk | I'm probably one of the very few (mains) that got epic flying before 80, these days. |
| 06:43.53 | Amarande | going from a 200 to a 264 boot shot it up by 210 |
| 06:44.00 | myrkraverk | Amarande, *don't* mention GS unless you're scoring in Goldshire. |
| 06:44.03 | Dagmar | I still haven't bothered to get it on either of my alts |
| 06:44.15 | Amarande | myrkraverk: mostly I just keep track of it so I can tell when I might be able to PUG more |
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| 06:44.22 | Amarande | and I had epic flying before 80 on Alvaerin |
| 06:44.31 | Amarande | but then I started her during BC |
| 06:44.37 | Amarande | and given that I was caught in the gear catch 22 big time |
| 06:44.41 | myrkraverk | nods. |
| 06:44.46 | Amarande | I basically didn't have anything TO do with her but dailies and gaining money |
| 06:44.53 | Amarande | so I got epic flying and did netherwing |
| 06:45.14 | Amarande | is glad for the dungeon finder since I have a bad feeling we'd have the same catch 22 now if it wasn't for it |
| 06:45.16 | Dagmar | myrkraverk: While there's a lot of idiots using it as raid requirements, for most classes progression between hitting 80 and being raid worthy is steady enough you can get a ballpark figure about how far along you are, *assuming* the person in question is not wearing gear with stupid stats |
| 06:45.27 | myrkraverk | About raiding and GS: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=14332963400 |
| 06:45.29 | myrkraverk | Aenott=me. |
| 06:45.39 | Amarande | BC was *vicious* with it, you basically couldn't get into a heroic group without raid gear and of course you needed stuff you could only get by doing heroics to get into raids |
| 06:46.04 | Amarande | and basically no one did 70 normal instances anymore by the time I got to 70 on Alv, even getting my kara key was a bitch to get the instance groups for |
| 06:46.27 | myrkraverk | So I circumvented the catch 22 about GS and achievements easily: organized my own raids. |
| 06:46.40 | Amarande | at least in WotLK you don't hit the catch 22 at all until you want to raid |
| 06:46.47 | Amarande | in BC, you couldn't even 5-man without dealing with it |
| 06:46.47 | Dagmar | Now, assuming you're getting the gear focused for your spec, and not say, padding your warrior with some cloth booties with int and spellpower on them, it scales more or less with dps |
| 06:46.48 | myrkraverk | point. |
| 06:47.02 | Amarande | And it got even worse when they added badges to Kara |
| 06:47.07 | Dagmar | God |
| 06:47.27 | Amarande | myself, I tend to use EG as my primary gear assessor |
| 06:47.32 | myrkraverk | Honestly, I don't think I've ever done Kara - must add that to my list of things to do before Cata ;-P |
| 06:47.32 | Dagmar | Yeah I had some kids turn me down on one of those because of my gear, and I'd done a run of the place in three hours flat the week before |
| 06:47.40 | Amarande | but I got curious as to how much upgrading that one crappy gear item would fix my GS |
| 06:47.40 | Dagmar | They'd lost their minds |
| 06:47.53 | Amarande | my current ICC10 raid leader is another one who's abandoned GS for EG |
| 06:47.57 | Dagmar | Amarande: Which toon again? |
| 06:48.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: for what? getting the boots that gave +210 GS? |
| 06:48.10 | Amarande | that's Vladoka. |
| 06:48.29 | Amarande | http://www.elitistarmory.com/US/Turalyon/Vladoka |
| 06:48.30 | Dagmar | Hey there's only one of that name. Nice |
| 06:48.37 | myrkraverk | I make it easy for myself and just ask: is your gear good enough for icc? |
| 06:48.39 | myrkraverk | ;-P |
| 06:49.14 | Amarande | yeah, I'm plenty good for ICC10, I was good for ICC10 several upgrades ago |
| 06:49.19 | Dagmar | Dude, even that has people being idiots about it |
| 06:49.26 | Amarande | I've gotten at least five upgrades in the last two days, and I thought my gear was stagnating |
| 06:49.45 | Amarande | replaced my 1.50 oh with a good 2.60 mace (after learning that yes, DKs CAN use maces) |
| 06:49.54 | myrkraverk | Dagmar, I know - most ppl know about it though, and answer honestly "yes" or "don't know" or "no" |
| 06:49.56 | Amarande | I always figured DKs started trained in everything they could ever use |
| 06:49.58 | Amarande | but I was wrong |
| 06:50.15 | Amarande | at least it didn't take very long to get my mace skill up, I just equipped a couple of the lowest end white maces and went to IQD and beat on stuff |
| 06:50.22 | Amarande | got to 328 off the first mob, and it wasn't long till 398 |
| 06:50.54 | Dagmar | Amarande: If you want to just *flagrantly* abuse the GS thing, go pound IoC and Wintergrasp this weekend |
| 06:50.57 | myrkraverk | And in Cata I don't see any weapon skills at all on my lock - only weapon proficiencies. |
| 06:51.02 | Krahg | Oh I have a question, It was why I even logged into the chat at all. I uploaded a new add-on last night (on Curse and WowInterface) and it's been downloaded a few times. Even some players made it a favorite. It is possible to see who made it a favorite? Especially one WowInterface? |
| 06:51.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, not really that interested in doing that |
| 06:51.09 | Amarande | since EG will chide me for using PvP gear :) |
| 06:51.18 | Dagmar | 52200 honor gets you Wrathful Gladiator's Pendant of Sundering. |
| 06:51.33 | Dagmar | ...which is both 264, and *technically* a dPS upgrade |
| 06:51.34 | Dagmar | lol |
| 06:51.37 | Amarande | and I'm really not sure how higher ilvl a PvP item needs to be than a PvE item for it to be a PvE upgrade |
| 06:51.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: no rating req? |
| 06:51.48 | myrkraverk | I have too much pvp gear for pve ;-P |
| 06:51.58 | Dagmar | it's the PvP equivalent of badge T9 |
| 06:52.10 | Dagmar | Basically even gets handed out the same way |
| 06:52.23 | myrkraverk | Amarande, neclace, bracers and cloak don't need rating. |
| 06:52.27 | Dagmar | You pound heroics for X amount of time, you get T9 at a guaranteed rate |
| 06:52.36 | Amarande | 52200 honor ... how many AVs is that? |
| 06:52.42 | Dagmar | You pound BGs for Honor for X amount of time, you get the PvP equivalent |
| 06:53.00 | Amarande | Dagmar: better than my current neckpiece btw? |
| 06:53.07 | myrkraverk | Amarande, depends on how often you win and how much HKs you try to grind. |
| 06:53.08 | Dagmar | Probably at least 8 but one Wintergrasp can turn over 10000 honor if you pull it off right |
| 06:53.08 | Amarande | I have the one from TOC5H |
| 06:53.56 | Amarande | and apparently I need to shed some expertise rating if I can |
| 06:53.58 | Dagmar | I mean, I basically just used BGs (those two in fact) to go snatch up two PvP piece on my warlock, for more actual DPS |
| 06:54.12 | Dagmar | My lock can definitely use the extra stamina anyway. :) |
| 06:54.23 | Amarande | Dagmar: that thought path lies madness though :) |
| 06:54.34 | Amarande | I almost considered a Sovereign what's its name in my boots for the socket bonus :| |
| 06:54.35 | Dagmar | I thought it was hilarious when I noticed it |
| 06:54.47 | Amarande | but +20 STR is probably better than +16 STR and +150 HP |
| 06:54.54 | Dagmar | I said "Wait, I can spam the shit out of Seed of Corruption in these places" |
| 06:55.08 | Amarande | mind you the ONLY reason I considered a purple gem was because the socket bonus is STR |
| 06:55.08 | Dagmar | I had rawr up and was shopping for DPS upgrades |
| 06:55.14 | Amarande | otherwise, I wouldn't have considered matching blue at all |
| 06:55.24 | myrkraverk | Actually, given a choice, I get +stam rather than +int now. |
| 06:55.36 | Dagmar | I had forgotten to filter out PvP items and I was looking through the lists and saw a couple of new toys. :) |
| 06:55.44 | Amarande | Frost DPS DK is so focused on STR that 4 STR for 15 STA is not a really good trade though |
| 06:55.59 | Amarande | in fact, I've been using sub-optimal buff food |
| 06:56.07 | myrkraverk | I'll bid you good night guys, have fun. |
| 06:56.08 | Amarande | but I couldn't get 40 STR food on AH, so I settled for 80 AP for the raid |
| 06:56.22 | myrkraverk | & |
| 06:56.22 | Jamash | wait, people buy buff food? |
| 06:56.39 | Amarande | Jamash: yes, SOME of us actually bring proper consumables to the raid rather than mooching off someone's fish feast :P |
| 06:56.51 | Jamash | no, I mean I fish up all my own food |
| 06:57.03 | Amarande | Jamash: I do have a Chef de Cuisine warlock |
| 06:57.07 | Amarande | but I didn't feel like farming mats |
| 06:57.07 | Jamash | nice |
| 06:57.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: Seriously... This does not appeal to you? http://www.wowhead.com/item=51355 |
| 06:57.15 | Amarande | and I'm not sure what you need for 40STR anyway |
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| 06:57.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: only because my current amulet is agi based. |
| 06:57.44 | Amarande | if it was str based, I'd laugh at that. |
| 06:58.04 | Amarande | although really to me with all that stam that seems better for tanking than DPS |
| 06:58.09 | Dagmar | You are doing frost as DPS? |
| 06:58.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: Yeah |
| 06:58.18 | Amarande | Frost DW DPS |
| 06:58.25 | Dagmar | Well, yes, that piece is actually awesomesauce for tanking |
| 06:58.37 | Dagmar | For how easily you can get it, wow |
| 06:58.41 | Amarande | I AM trying to build a tank set actually |
| 06:58.51 | Amarande | but pieces I have that are "Physical All" according to EG/Elitist Armory |
| 06:58.56 | Amarande | are my lowest priority to get tank items for |
| 06:59.23 | Amarande | and really I can't get my tank set off the ground till I get one of the few 2H weapons I have access to that work |
| 06:59.28 | Amarande | which there seem oh so few of |
| 06:59.42 | Amarande | basically, the two that paletress can drop and the ones marwyn and tyrannus can drop |
| 07:00.00 | Amarande | those are the only ones worth mention any more for pre-raid DK tanking |
| 07:00.36 | krka | interesting, python seems to have read-only lexical scoping |
| 07:00.41 | krka | no upvalues :( |
| 07:00.47 | Jamash | really? that's odd |
| 07:01.29 | Dagmar | Actual scoping. |
| 07:01.50 | krka | actual? |
| 07:01.58 | Dagmar | Scoping for real mean. |
| 07:02.01 | Dagmar | er men. |
| 07:02.31 | Dagmar | Why wear suspenders when you can have metal straps. |
| 07:02.31 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:02.37 | Dagmar | Just, all over you. |
| 07:02.38 | Amarande | one more hour till heroic reset, I believe |
| 07:02.45 | Amarande | am I right about that? I'm foggy now |
| 07:02.50 | Amarande | oh wait, that's till daily random heroic resets |
| 07:02.56 | Amarande | now I'm foggy on when heroics reset, actually ... |
| 07:03.15 | Amarande | I do need to hit HPOS and HHOR again tomorrow though for a chance at tank weapons |
| 07:03.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: I dont even try to worry about that anymore becasue I got sick of getting hit in the twilight time |
| 07:03.33 | Amarande | you know what's weird |
| 07:03.36 | Amarande | we all used to dread Paletress |
| 07:03.41 | Dagmar | I just click the LFG button |
| 07:03.44 | Amarande | but as a DK looking to build a tank set, she's a godsend |
| 07:03.54 | Amarande | because Eadric doesn't drop either of the 2H weapons |
| 07:04.03 | Dagmar | They gave most specs at least two good pieces in there |
| 07:04.15 | Amarande | as you can see in my Elitist Armory, I do have a tank spec already but I don't have the gear for it |
| 07:04.37 | Amarande | not that it matters outside of ICC5 and heroics, anyway |
| 07:04.42 | Dagmar | I mean, seriously, the last few content patches, they've done a really good job of what they've been saying their plan is |
| 07:04.47 | Amarande | I can tank normal instances with ease in my DPS gear and spec |
| 07:05.03 | Dagmar | Making it so if you've been gone awhile, you can just whack pinatas to get caught up to current raid levels |
| 07:05.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: except for weapons, mostly |
| 07:05.24 | Dagmar | My pet monkey can tank normal instances. That's no big thing. |
| 07:05.26 | Amarande | weapons (and trinkets to some degree) are still somewht difficult |
| 07:05.32 | Dagmar | I have actually 4-man monkey tanked several of them |
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| 07:05.43 | Amarande | for instance, DKs pretty much only tank with a 2H |
| 07:05.55 | Amarande | and the number of viable 2H's pre raid is severely limited at this point |
| 07:06.07 | Amarande | Marwyn's, Tyrannus's, Paletress's, and Quel'Delar. |
| 07:06.12 | Amarande | And I am NOT spending 8k on a hilt. |
| 07:06.27 | Amarande | If I DID, it wouldn't even be GOING to my DK. |
| 07:06.39 | Dagmar | You have been listning to the kids drinking cough syrup if you think you need a raid weapon to tank a heroic |
| 07:06.50 | Amarande | It would be going to my warlock for the caster Quel'Delar, seeing as she gets played much less and basically has no hope of raid weapons, unlike Vladoka who can pretty much go anywhere sky's the limit now. |
| 07:06.51 | Lothaer | what are you using atm Amarande? |
| 07:07.03 | Amarande | Lothaer: Nighttime and Black Icicle |
| 07:07.10 | Lothaer | for tanking? |
| 07:07.13 | Amarande | that's for DPS |
| 07:07.17 | Amarande | I don't have a tank weapon yet |
| 07:07.29 | Amarande | I only just recently bought my dual spec and thought more to tanking |
| 07:07.36 | Amarande | although I had picked up a couple of tank pieces from instances before |
| 07:07.44 | Dagmar | Mainly, if your healer is at least decent, all you need to be is above the hit cap and have respectable levels of stamina |
| 07:07.45 | Amarande | since I keep an eye out for them and tend to roll on them if the tank refuses them (or is a druid) |
| 07:08.00 | Dagmar | You can *buy* a mostly acceptable two hander off a vendor |
| 07:08.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: isn't that a blue? |
| 07:08.18 | Dagmar | No, it's what my DK is using. It's purple. |
| 07:08.21 | Amarande | linky? |
| 07:08.28 | Lothaer | http://www.wowhead.com/item=47834 is what im using |
| 07:08.30 | Dagmar | You dont' need all purples to tank heroics either, that's a bit mad |
| 07:08.59 | Lothaer | you could try for a Titansteel Destroyer |
| 07:09.02 | Dagmar | Amarande: http://www.wowhead.com/item=45074/claymore-of-the-prophet |
| 07:09.09 | Lothaer | have a look at this page |
| 07:09.09 | Lothaer | http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t46054-pre_raid_dk_tank_gear/ |
| 07:09.13 | Dagmar | It ain't the greatest thing, but it does cut mobs |
| 07:09.39 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/august/nemesis.jpg |
| 07:09.44 | Dagmar | I've been doing a tiny bit of tanking with that with my guild and I ain't at the hit cap yet |
| 07:09.52 | Dagmar | er def cap |
| 07:09.52 | Amarande | ahh, tournament stuff |
| 07:09.57 | Amarande | I really haven't looked at the tournament stuff at all |
| 07:10.13 | Dagmar | That was the stuff they gave us to get people into ToGC in a hrury |
| 07:10.17 | Amarande | I'm going to keep giving HPOS, HHOR, and HTOC5 goes meanwhile, too |
| 07:10.30 | Dagmar | Yeah those are definitely pinata zones |
| 07:10.44 | Amarande | HPOS has the axe from Tyrannus, HHOR the polearm from Marwyn and HTOC5 the two possibilities from Paletress |
| 07:10.52 | Amarande | generally I have a pretty simple rule on rolling on tank gear |
| 07:11.01 | Dagmar | I spent a weekend beatign the crap out of the normal ICC 5-mans with a guildmate so we could get more T9 |
| 07:11.04 | Amarande | I wait to see what the tank decides, and if he greeds and it goes in my tank set then I roll |
| 07:11.27 | Amarande | I roll last on a lot of stuff, and it's certainly not to be a ninja |
| 07:11.33 | Dagmar | Hah I've gotten so paranoid about that once I actually asked if I could roll on a tank drop |
| 07:11.35 | Dagmar | I was the tank. |
| 07:11.38 | Jamash | I dunno how it is on your battlegroup but in mine the rule seems to be "if you want it hit need" |
| 07:11.43 | Dagmar | The warrior was freaked out |
| 07:11.45 | Amarande | rather, I'm looking to see if anyone else needs first, so I can gauge how much people want stuff |
| 07:12.00 | Amarande | specifically whether the tank or an MS DPS who could use a 2H needs first |
| 07:12.02 | Dagmar | I warned 'em I was new at it. hehe |
| 07:12.05 | Jamash | oh and "and then if it was the only item you want, drop group" |
| 07:12.09 | Dagmar | lol |
| 07:12.18 | Amarande | Jamash: Stormstrike is pretty proper about need rolls |
| 07:12.23 | Amarande | except on battered hilts, everyone needs on those |
| 07:12.30 | Amarande | but I've only ever seen that drop once |
| 07:12.47 | Dagmar | My guild leader, astonishingly enough, had a macro for saying "EVERYONE ROLL NEED ON THE HILT" |
| 07:13.13 | Dagmar | We never expected to see him use it |
| 07:13.27 | Lothaer | i dont think i like this new skin for thrall |
| 07:13.30 | Dagmar | Last time through two hilts dropped within five minutes of each other |
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| 07:13.41 | Dagmar | We all had to have a little break heehe |
| 07:13.51 | Jamash | you mean hobothrall? |
| 07:13.51 | Lothaer | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/august/thrall.jpg |
| 07:13.54 | Lothaer | yeah |
| 07:14.20 | Jamash | a bit underwhelming I would say |
| 07:14.57 | Dagmar | We thought it only dropped in the 10-man |
| 07:15.36 | Jamash | it's not like shaman don't have the best tier sets in the game to cherry-pick artwork from... |
| 07:15.44 | Dagmar | Almost made me go out and buy lottery tickets |
| 07:16.12 | Dagmar | Jamash: This is why hunters like sharing weapon sets with you. :) |
| 07:16.30 | Lothaer | when the beta is done updating im gonna go get my the new flying skill :D |
| 07:16.36 | Dagmar | The "wiggly stick" I had in Outlands was a lot of fun |
| 07:17.03 | Dagmar | Talk about some shammy hate |
| 07:17.25 | Amarande | actually yes I could see myself needing on two hilts |
| 07:17.34 | Amarande | since one would go to the warlock, and then the other I could see using on the DK in some form |
| 07:17.56 | Amarande | I'd really like to finish gearing up my warlock, at least in heroic gear |
| 07:18.05 | Dagmar | We made the guy who is generally always pugging 25-man everythings take the second one |
| 07:18.19 | Amarande | just so she has a good solid start for Cata, since I'm told from betaland that Hyjal is pretty harsh |
| 07:18.35 | Dagmar | Good |
| 07:18.49 | Dagmar | I wanna beat mobs down and have it feel like it matters |
| 07:19.07 | Amarande | I seem to gravitate towards BE females an awful lot |
| 07:19.17 | Amarande | although that is really due to a number of factors, that ultimately stem from naming |
| 07:19.22 | Jamash | they beefed up mob HP a lot a few patches ago and mob damage a lot this patch |
| 07:19.26 | Amarande | I am FAR better at coming up with female character names than male |
| 07:19.30 | Dagmar | "Whorella"? |
| 07:19.35 | Amarande | Dagmar: :P |
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| 07:20.04 | Jamash | given that I was soloing 4 packs of mobs as a discipline priest when I first got into the beta, I can see where blizz is coming from |
| 07:20.21 | Amarande | my current female character names? Variandra, Kiruna, Amarelya, Amalanya, Vladoka, Mornienya, Delissa, and Sheriana ... think there's one other but I forget off the top of my head :P |
| 07:20.25 | Amarande | I'm a bit drunk right now as well |
| 07:20.32 | Dagmar | If the mobs were "just" 81, you'd barely have to break step plowing through them as most classes in 80 raiding gear |
| 07:21.03 | Amarande | Jamash: still, it's a major incentive to get my characters 80 and reasonably geared before Cata |
| 07:21.24 | Jamash | supposedly the issue now is that ratings drop off so steeply as you level that you're better off doing dungeons at 80 than at 83... |
| 07:21.41 | Dagmar | Wow that'll be terrible to have to instance early. :) |
| 07:21.42 | Amarande | Vladoka probably will have no trouble starting Cata even now, even with the huge boosts to mobs in Hyjal |
| 07:21.45 | Amarande | it might just be less mindless :) |
| 07:22.16 | Amarande | how long into cata before you replace 251/264 epics btw? |
| 07:22.50 | Amarande | I imagine the 200/213/219 stuff must be replaced pretty quick, but not sure how long the 251/264/277 stuff will last |
| 07:23.01 | Amarande | oh |
| 07:23.06 | Jamash | I dunno about heroic ICC but anything less than that gets replaced right off the bat |
| 07:23.20 | Amarande | Jamash: and do the starter cata quests actually offer at some point a sigil choice for a DK? |
| 07:23.23 | Dagmar | I should look at some loot tables |
| 07:23.34 | Amarande | or are new DKs going from 55-85 on that crappy starter blood sigil? |
| 07:23.37 | Jamash | I copied a premade (they start with ICC10 reg gear) and I was equipping greens |
| 07:23.43 | Amarande | (unless you stop in venture bay, anyway) |
| 07:24.02 | Jamash | Amarande: Relics are being completely redone to be class-agnostic stat sticks |
| 07:24.06 | Amarande | though I imagine I'm probably one of very few DKs who chose to stop by Venture Bay for a leveling sigil upgrade |
| 07:24.25 | mikma | amarande: i did that too |
| 07:24.26 | Amarande | then again most people seem to level as blood |
| 07:24.27 | Jamash | I specifically went by venture bay with my dk to get a sigil |
| 07:24.39 | Jamash | I think I'm still using it... |
| 07:24.50 | Jamash | I haven't really spent a lot of time on my dk |
| 07:24.51 | Amarande | while I leveled as frost DW from as soon as I could pick up the two axes I had my hunter make Vladoka |
| 07:24.57 | Amarande | Dawm |
| 07:25.07 | Amarande | Dawn's Edge axes. Yup, that LBRS quest actually had a purpose after all |
| 07:25.10 | Dagmar | Amarande: This is becasue with those worms you can actually spec yourself into sort of a corner where you can't die unless you are INCREDIBLY stupid |
| 07:25.24 | Dagmar | It might take a long damn time to kill everything you pissed off, but you won't die |
| 07:25.29 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, I liked being powerful but at the same time having to think on elites |
| 07:25.32 | Jamash | I'm kind of sad that they're making blood the tank spec in cata, I like frost and unholy better |
| 07:25.38 | Amarande | and DW frost gives that combo very well |
| 07:25.45 | Jamash | WTB tri-spec |
| 07:25.54 | Amarande | I'm already deciding to learn blood as my tank spec once I have the gear |
| 07:25.58 | Amarande | and sticking with frost DW for my DPS |
| 07:26.32 | Amarande | but would you ever imagine a classic blue BS craft to actually be useful for a DK? :) |
| 07:26.36 | Jamash | frost makes me feel like an aoeing, critting badass, but I <3 unholy for the pets |
| 07:26.46 | Jamash | and corpseplosion |
| 07:26.47 | Amarande | actually the pets turned me off to unholy |
| 07:26.54 | Amarande | since my two highest DPS characters other than my DK |
| 07:26.56 | Amarande | are a hunter and warlock |
| 07:27.01 | Amarande | and I'd had my fill of playing a pet build |
| 07:27.12 | Jamash | I apparently can't get enough of pets |
| 07:27.16 | Dagmar | Seems like it would be a lot easier to tank as frost |
| 07:27.35 | Dagmar | Jamash: pets die so you dont' have to. What's not to like? |
| 07:27.35 | Jamash | I have a hunter, a warlock, an unholy DK, and a mage with glyph of enduring winter. My only non-pet class is my priest |
| 07:27.35 | Amarande | Dagmar: since I haven't had a real tank challenge in a long time I'm not sure |
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| 07:27.46 | Lothaer | hey any paladins wanna explain this new fangdangled holy power stuff? |
| 07:27.48 | Amarande | I do know I can tank normal instances as frost DPS spec with frost DPS gear but that's normals |
| 07:28.14 | Amarande | I'm not sure when I'm going to get to leveling my mage on Turalyon ... she's my bank alt for the time being and has been since creation |
| 07:28.23 | Amarande | I do have a 34 mage on Silvermoon, chose to level as fire |
| 07:28.28 | Jamash | Lothaer: step one: GET HOLY POWA step two: FACEROLL |
| 07:28.33 | Lothaer | Amarande: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&n=lothaer check out my spec and gear |
| 07:28.37 | Amarande | Probably going to transfer Variandra though |
| 07:28.49 | Amarande | because Silvermoon Alliance is a wasteland of total GS whores and very little fun |
| 07:29.04 | Amarande | hell, one of my friends on Turalyon |
| 07:29.06 | Lothaer | im talking about the new Holy Power resource |
| 07:29.13 | Jamash | so am I |
| 07:29.16 | Amarande | he spent time on Silvermoon Alliance ... apparently even knew me there too ... and came back to Turalyon :P |
| 07:29.23 | Lothaer | whats it used for? |
| 07:29.36 | Amarande | also I have a friend who's suggested I try an RP server |
| 07:29.41 | Amarande | so I may transfer Variandra there |
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| 07:29.52 | Jamash | certain abilities use up your holy power charges to become more awesome |
| 07:30.00 | Amarande | (that is a suitably fitting-in name for an Alliance mage on RP server, right?) |
| 07:30.23 | Lothaer | i wonder of all classes will get something like that |
| 07:31.11 | Amarande | Lothaer: don't some classes already have nonstandard resources like that? |
| 07:31.12 | Amarande | like DKs :) |
| 07:31.23 | Jamash | well, soul shards |
| 07:31.27 | Amarande | are DKs really changing much in cata btw apart from the crystallization of talent tree purposes? |
| 07:31.41 | Amarande | (and the fact that we'll actually get proper Str based weapons to DW as frost) |
| 07:32.03 | Amarande | Jamash: do DKs get any AP from Agi at all in cata btw? |
| 07:32.20 | Amarande | and are all the current 1H weapons with AP having their AP convert to worthless Agi? |
| 07:32.47 | Jamash | they're changing the way rune cooldowns work, so that instead of two runes of each type on individual cooldowns, you have one pool of two runes of each type |
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| 07:33.06 | Jamash | Amarande: I dunno, I tried to copy my DK but nothing happened |
| 07:35.43 | Jamash | I guess all current 1H weapons are getting converted to Str only or Agi only but I have no idea how they're making the decision |
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| 07:37.53 | Jamash | frankly I'm surprised they haven't unified Str and Agi into one stat called Beefyness |
| 07:38.58 | the-golem | lulz |
| 07:39.44 | Jamash | then they could unify int and spirit into one stat called Smartitude |
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| 07:48.14 | Lothaer | then they can unify Int and Str and call it Skill |
| 07:48.32 | Lothaer | or ur beffyness and smartitude |
| 07:49.13 | Jamash | nah, skill is crit + haste + resilience |
| 07:49.56 | nevcairiel | so you're saying skill is gear? you heretic! |
| 07:50.09 | Jamash | no, no I'm not saying that |
| 07:50.17 | Jamash | I'm saying skill is *on* gear |
| 07:50.41 | Amarande | skill may be on gear |
| 07:50.52 | Amarande | but there's no "Decreases your Suck rating by X" attribute, either |
| 07:51.20 | Amarande | you know I'm still wondering why hackers keep targeting my guildie |
| 07:51.27 | Jamash | suck rating is fixed at character creation based on your class and race |
| 07:51.32 | Amarande | when *I* am now the best geared in the guild by a longshot |
| 07:52.10 | nevcairiel | news flash: they dont target people, they just hack people that are dumb enough to fall into their traps |
| 07:53.08 | Jamash | they should put an authenticator in every box imo |
| 07:53.17 | Jamash | it would save them money long term |
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| 08:08.28 | Fisker | wtf |
| 08:08.32 | Fisker | my cat locked my computer |
| 08:10.04 | Arrowmaster | so a few minutes ago i was forced out of the room because a bat got into the house |
| 08:10.07 | Arrowmaster | now i cant find it |
| 08:10.23 | Arrowmaster | after i went to get help to remove it |
| 08:10.29 | Fisker | it's a wooden round thing |
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| 08:11.31 | Arrowmaster | ill show you a wooden round thing |
| 08:12.03 | Fisker | the new northrend loading screen is kind of bitching |
| 08:12.18 | mikma | old |
| 08:13.09 | Fisker | i came on you |
| 08:13.20 | mikma | nope |
| 08:14.28 | Fisker | zomg |
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| 08:18.20 | Arrowmaster | still cant find the bat |
| 08:19.34 | Fisker | damn Arrowmaster |
| 08:20.24 | mikma | nerfbat |
| 08:21.30 | mikma | http://open.spotify.com/track/2642XqEjjvUyiLz7ynvDfK |
| 08:23.38 | mikma | is there some sort of bug with the authenticator at the login? |
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| 08:23.46 | mikma | i need to enter it twice :D |
| 08:24.29 | laeg | does anyone know the server population ranges for low, medium and high and what population blizzard try to keep battlegroups set to? |
| 08:24.51 | Fisker | yeah same here mikma |
| 08:28.20 | Fisker | nice |
| 08:28.34 | Fisker | 2 extra free heirlooms for my goblin |
| 08:28.49 | Fisker | so that's 40% extra experience |
| 08:28.55 | mikma | heh, vendors are selling battered hilt |
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| 08:30.38 | Corrodias | any of you folks have a Wii you can turn on and check something for me with? |
| 08:31.44 | mikma | rofl! |
| 08:31.51 | mikma | you can *LEARN* the glyphs at the moment |
| 08:31.55 | mikma | they all go into spellbook |
| 08:34.37 | Fisker | sweeyt |
| 08:34.38 | Fisker | sweet |
| 08:35.00 | mikma | new icons for social, and questloh |
| 08:35.01 | mikma | log* |
| 08:35.05 | Fisker | they added hitrating for 0 to +3 |
| 08:37.41 | durcyn | Corrodias: what |
| 08:38.25 | Corrodias | if you could go into the sound setup and click on the "stereo" button, two beeps come out, one in each channel. could you tell me the order they go in? |
| 08:39.11 | Fisker | ah mikma |
| 08:39.15 | Fisker | that was what they said |
| 08:39.27 | Fisker | they wanted to change glyphs so you only had to learn them once |
| 08:39.37 | Fisker | you still don't have them enabled of course |
| 08:42.41 | mikma | might be, cause most of the glyphs are for old spells anyway |
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| 08:50.52 | Corrodias | never mind |
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| 11:41.04 | Fisker | i can kill you Cide |
| 11:41.18 | Cide | I can kill you with my brain |
| 11:42.52 | Fisker | jerk move |
| 11:46.36 | Fisker | why would you kill me with your brain Cide ? |
| 11:47.03 | Cide | I just said that I can |
| 11:48.11 | Fisker | then the question would be why you already haven't killed me |
| 11:48.25 | Fisker | s/already haven't/haven't already/ |
| 11:48.42 | Caleb| | my question is what would be Fiskers weapon of choice to kill Cide |
| 11:49.00 | Caleb| | what can match up to Cides brain |
| 11:49.36 | Fisker | my penis then |
| 11:50.10 | Caleb| | who could have seen that one comming |
| 11:50.12 | Caleb| | ! |
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| 12:34.59 | Lothaer | gday |
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| 12:48.52 | harl | hi |
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| 13:30.42 | airtonix | has anyone been able to get thunderbird to retireve a directory list from an ldap server ? |
| 13:33.26 | Fisker | Next game subscription payment com.blizzard.wow.web.accountShared.model.CreditCardPaymentPlan@17daab4 |
| 13:33.29 | Fisker | cool story bro |
| 13:34.49 | nevcairiel | someone forget a toString, or to reference the appropriate property |
| 13:41.53 | Fisker | i hate people nevcairiel |
| 13:41.55 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14332815820&postId=143314575761&sid=1#20 |
| 13:45.24 | myrkraverk | Fisker, yes, interesting ;) |
| 14:07.56 | Zyn | I hate everyone and everything |
| 14:10.30 | Fisker | love me Zyn |
| 14:10.51 | Zyn | fuck no |
| 14:13.25 | haste | If I was hating everyone and everything I'd make an exception for Fisker |
| 14:14.49 | Zyn | Fisker, are you any good at Bad Company 2? |
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| 14:18.36 | Fisker | battlefield is shit Zyn |
| 14:18.54 | Zyn | then I dont love you |
| 14:18.58 | Zyn | and no, it's not shit |
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| 14:19.25 | Fisker | it is |
| 14:19.36 | Fisker | call back when they can make a netcode |
| 14:20.39 | Zyn | DICE can't |
| 14:20.45 | Zyn | they never have, and never will |
| 14:20.54 | Zyn | or you can shoot in controlled bursts and everything dies |
| 14:21.01 | haste | Honestly |
| 14:21.06 | haste | I miss the BF1942 net code |
| 14:21.12 | haste | even with all it's server prediction |
| 14:21.26 | haste | the delay on bullets wasn't bad to play with |
| 14:22.26 | haste | I'm gusesing bad company 2 has something similar |
| 14:26.07 | Zyn | the game has bullet drop and bullet speed so it's far from a railshooter |
| 14:27.36 | haste | battlefield 1942 did the same thing |
| 14:28.12 | haste | and imo it's much more fun to play when it's like that |
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| 14:33.31 | Fisker | military shooters bordering on simulation are stupid anyway |
| 14:33.55 | Fisker | though military shooters bordering on arcade is even more stupid |
| 14:34.03 | Fisker | *coughs* MW2 *coughs* |
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| 14:54.35 | Lothaer | sooooooo |
| 15:07.28 | Ackis | login server busy? |
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| 15:09.44 | Ackis | I haven't logged in for 8 months and the damn login server is BUSY lol |
| 15:09.59 | Ackis | oh I can't even play SC2 |
| 15:10.02 | taroven | Ackis: Live or beta? |
| 15:10.09 | taroven | nm. |
| 15:10.17 | Ackis | live |
| 15:10.23 | taroven | Flush your DNS cache and reboot |
| 15:10.25 | Ackis | yet my fiancee is sitting logged in beside me |
| 15:10.29 | taroven | Worked for me. |
| 15:11.15 | taroven | (well, reboot or net stop/start, assuming windows) |
| 15:11.59 | Ackis | I just booted up 5 minutes ago |
| 15:12.59 | taroven | DNS cache remains though. |
| 15:15.13 | kd3 | grr. the addon kit hasn't been updated for the new way they're packing files |
| 15:15.23 | kd3 | got a 0-line diff from 12694 to 12759 |
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| 15:17.59 | Ackis | nope no change |
| 15:18.24 | Ackis | I blame Torhal |
| 15:23.54 | kd3 | could connected with the tools guys give them a poke? |
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| 15:27.05 | Fisker | baw kd3 |
| 15:27.32 | Fisker | the new system is horribly confusing |
| 15:27.46 | Fisker | even saw that they put some streamed shit in the cache folder |
| 15:28.00 | Spejnar | Is there an event fired when you change target? |
| 15:28.05 | kd3 | s/could connected/anyone connected/ |
| 15:28.26 | Fisker | i would think they are already aware |
| 15:29.53 | Gnarfoz | kd3: Dinnerbone seems to have figured it out? http://github.com/Dinnerbone/WoWUI/tree/Beta/AddOns/ |
| 15:30.32 | Bartlomehus | Spejnar take a loot at http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events and see if something is there |
| 15:30.48 | Bartlomehus | *look |
| 15:31.10 | Spejnar | Bartlomehus: ty, was checking out combat_log_event_unfiltered but nothing caught my eye there |
| 15:32.31 | haste | wonders why dinnerbone didn't just team up with tekkub. |
| 15:32.48 | Spejnar | oh look at that, the most obvious name in the book, player_target_changed |
| 15:32.50 | haste | not that dinnerbone tags the UI releases even =/ |
| 15:33.08 | Gnarfoz | because he probably needs that stuff for mmoc as soon as possible anyway? |
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| 15:36.54 | zenzelezz | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/08/13/demotivational-posters-starcraft-2/ o_O |
| 15:37.28 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 15:37.41 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://vimeo.com/12339198?hd=1 |
| 15:37.45 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 15:45.23 | Fisker | [17:44:21]BadBoy: Complaint Registered. [Qgsbobhen] [17:44:22]BadBoy: Complaint Registered. [Myashixra] [17:44:45]BadBoy: Complaint Registered. [Tfvaridockvr] [17:44:53]BadBoy: Complaint Registered. [Fdmxxle] [17:44:58]BadBoy: Complaint Registered. [Eqghwvwfss] |
| 15:45.25 | Fisker | lold |
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| 15:46.45 | Shirik | heh |
| 15:46.50 | Shirik | (08:44:57) (+BetacommandBot8) Stalked summary: "Undid revision 378049385 by [[Special:Contributions/Shirik|Shirik go fuck yourself and then go to hell" (matched \bf+([^a-z]?)u+\1?(c+\1?k+|k+\1?c*)\1?(e+\1?r+\1?[sz]*\1?|s+\1?|(i|e)+\1?n+\1?(g+\1?)?|e+\1?d+\1?)?) used by [[User:Cryptonio]], edited [[User talk:Cryptonio]]; Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=378889338&oldid=378889250 |
| 15:49.27 | Fisker | naw Shirik |
| 15:49.35 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14332815820&postId=143314576164&sid=1#22 <-troll is maaaaad |
| 15:50.40 | Cide | nice pattern Shirik |
| 15:50.44 | Cide | should publish it to 4chan |
| 15:51.23 | Shirik | oh someone already revoked his access |
| 15:51.26 | Shirik | I was wondering why he stopped |
| 15:51.34 | Cide | I mean the regex |
| 15:52.44 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:52.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:53.00 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 15:53.01 | Fisker | love me |
| 15:53.02 | Shirik | that's our "fuck in every possible crappy spelling we've found so far" regex |
| 15:53.17 | Cide | yeah, I saw |
| 15:53.29 | Shirik | I think we have some more epic ones |
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| 15:54.13 | Cide | fails on f.f.u.u.c.c.k.k or related |
| 15:55.16 | Cide | or even just f-fuck |
| 15:56.25 | Lothaer | has anyone seen that hackers making floating love heart shapes with a bunch of lvl ones then change it to spell a web address? |
| 15:56.50 | Spejnar | yes |
| 15:56.53 | Spejnar | they are awesome |
| 15:57.29 | Shirik | tbh one of our best regexes is "replaced content with" |
| 15:58.17 | Shirik | (07:47:23) (+BetacommandBot8) Stalked summary: "[[WP:AES|â]]Replaced content with 'Stinkers is the most awesome and prettiest girl in the world'" (matched in the world) used by [[User:MeanMrCustard]], edited [[Tashy Powell]]; Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=378882007&oldid=378881962 |
| 15:58.19 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 15:58.23 | Shirik | that matched "in the world" too |
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| 15:58.34 | Shirik | but it would have matched "replaced content with" |
| 15:58.53 | Shirik | (08:58:19) (+BetacommandBot8) Stalked summary: "[[WP:AES|â]]Replaced content with 'this information has been deleted'" (matched replaced content with) used by [[User:69.248.95.81]], edited [[Gitali Mukhopadhyay]]; Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=378891278&oldid=377845804 |
| 15:58.54 | Shirik | there |
| 15:59.32 | Cide | yeah |
| 15:59.43 | Cide | I guess lots of vandalism is just replacing the article with crap |
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| 15:59.51 | Gnarfoz | <Fisker> lold < wtf thats a lot of spam |
| 16:00.07 | Duman | hmm |
| 16:00.29 | Fisker | yarr Gnarfoz |
| 16:01.00 | Lothaer | i know its annoying and they should be sent to the depths of Tartarus but you have to admit its impressive, youd think blizz would be able to track that type of stuff with warden quick smart |
| 16:07.41 | augustl | any word on when /bug will be back in the beta? |
| 16:09.02 | Spejnar | How can I use the return values of a function that returns more than one as an argument to my function? I.e. I want to only send the "name" not the "server" as the arg to my func |
| 16:09.52 | Wobin | local name, server = argleFunction(); |
| 16:09.58 | Wobin | return name |
| 16:10.05 | Spejnar | ehm, bad explaination |
| 16:10.06 | Spejnar | lemmie show you |
| 16:10.19 | Spejnar | CustomAction_TargetExists(UnitName("target")) |
| 16:10.35 | Spejnar | ehm, ignore the func name, it actually checks a table for it |
| 16:10.43 | Spejnar | UnitName returns both name and server |
| 16:10.47 | Spejnar | while targetExists only want the name |
| 16:10.53 | Wobin | personally |
| 16:11.02 | Wobin | I'd say extract the variables outside |
| 16:11.08 | Wobin | don't try to make it all one line |
| 16:11.10 | Spejnar | but this is probably the wrong function when I come to think about it |
| 16:11.18 | Wobin | you'll thank yourself in the future when you come back to it |
| 16:11.24 | Spejnar | I need a funct that returns the name of the target, NPCs and players |
| 16:11.44 | Wobin | because local name, server = UnitName("target"); CustomAction_TargetExists(name) |
| 16:12.09 | Wobin | makes more sense than CustomAction_TargetExists((UnitName("target"))) |
| 16:12.12 | Spejnar | yup |
| 16:12.22 | Spejnar | any idea on the correct function? |
| 16:12.59 | Lothaer | hey shirik |
| 16:13.57 | Wobin | Spejnar: what's wrong with local name = UnitName("target") ? |
| 16:14.36 | Spejnar | Wasnt sure if that worked for all NPC and players hence the return of server, but perhaps it does |
| 16:14.59 | Wobin | if in doubt, test it =) |
| 16:15.06 | Spejnar | so true |
| 16:15.17 | Spejnar | playing around with secure templates, so far so good |
| 16:15.19 | Cide | s/if in doubt,/always/ |
| 16:16.51 | Gnarfoz | ok, TWO characters stuck teleporting to moonglade now, I give up |
| 16:17.06 | Shirik | hi Lothaer |
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| 16:17.26 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: didn't the first one teach you? |
| 16:17.27 | Lothaer | any chance you can bump my update? |
| 16:17.32 | Lothaer | pretty please :D |
| 16:17.35 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: might have been a fluke! ^^ |
| 16:17.49 | Shirik | hm |
| 16:17.52 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: it might -still- be a coincidence! |
| 16:17.52 | Shirik | I don't see anything by you |
| 16:18.02 | Wobin | You won't know it's enemy action til you do it again! |
| 16:18.12 | Shirik | show me where it is? |
| 16:18.20 | Wobin | behind you? |
| 16:18.25 | Wobin | points |
| 16:18.59 | Lothaer | on wowi im Tinyu |
| 16:19.48 | Shirik | why do you have a pdf in there o.o; |
| 16:20.03 | Wobin | hm http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/cookingforgeeks |
| 16:20.18 | nevcairiel | you know, with pdf you can exploit alot of people, many dont update their reader, etc :p |
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| 16:20.43 | Shirik | done |
| 16:20.47 | Lothaer | cheers |
| 16:20.56 | Lothaer | ill remove that pdf, one of the translators did that |
| 16:21.03 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:21.05 | Fisker | I SNEEZED |
| 16:21.42 | Shirik | k |
| 16:25.56 | Lothaer | Fisker |
| 16:29.18 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 16:30.04 | Lothaer | Fisker |
| 16:30.25 | Spejnar | Fisker: |
| 16:31.07 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :Fisker |
| 16:31.07 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 16:31.16 | Shirik | hey where did EDI go |
| 16:32.01 | Cide | why do you have two bots with identical commands is my question |
| 16:32.07 | Shirik | Terminated: Connection closed. |
| 16:32.07 | Shirik | --> QUIT :nil^M |
| 16:32.07 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "QUIT :nil^M"]:1: '<name>' expected near 'nil' |
| 16:32.07 | Shirik | Termination message dispatched. Awaiting response... |
| 16:32.09 | Cide | (I realize batbot is not your bot) |
| 16:32.09 | Shirik | :/ |
| 16:32.21 | Lothaer | Fisker |
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| 16:32.49 | Shirik | I blame batrick |
| 16:33.08 | Lothaer | i blame Canada |
| 16:33.17 | Shirik | i blame Fisker |
| 16:33.43 | Wobin | I blame Gnarfoz |
| 16:33.54 | Gnarfoz | I blame haters |
| 16:33.57 | Lothaer | FISKER |
| 16:34.08 | Lothaer | you blame yourself? |
| 16:34.11 | Shirik | haha |
| 16:34.18 | Shirik | This blocked user (block log | active blocks | autoblocks | unblock | contribs | deleted contribs | abuse log) has asked to be unblocked |
| 16:34.19 | Shirik | Request reason: "Please help me I've been blocked." |
| 16:34.24 | Shirik | Decline reason: "Indeed you have. Closedmouth (talk) 6:22 am, Today (UTCâ7)" |
| 16:34.59 | Lothaer | nothing beats a hot cup of Milo on a cold winters night |
| 16:35.09 | Lothaer | hey Droolio |
| 16:35.38 | Droolio | lo |
| 16:36.19 | Lothaer | you gonna continue Nauticus in Catalysm? |
| 16:36.49 | Lothaer | FISKER!!! |
| 16:37.07 | Droolio | i don't play much wow these days but will get cataclysm and will try to keep nauticus working |
| 16:37.57 | Lothaer | woot woot |
| 16:38.10 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 16:38.11 | Lothaer | fyi there is alot more boats/zeps :D |
| 16:38.14 | Shirik | a bird just flew in my room |
| 16:38.17 | Lothaer | ?? |
| 16:38.21 | Lothaer | ROFL |
| 16:38.36 | Droolio | yea, i gathered there would be |
| 16:38.37 | Lothaer | catch it and turn it into a pie :D |
| 16:39.31 | Lothaer | i think your gonna have fun with the boat to Vash'jir |
| 16:39.42 | Droolio | how come |
| 16:40.10 | Shirik | have they added realid to the beta yet? |
| 16:40.15 | Lothaer | cause it goes straight to a cut seen |
| 16:40.19 | Lothaer | yeah its there |
| 16:40.26 | Lothaer | but you cant talk to peeps on live |
| 16:40.37 | Droolio | cut scenes should be ok so long as it moves |
| 16:40.55 | Lothaer | gets sunk by the kraken |
| 16:41.08 | Droolio | heh |
| 16:42.01 | Lothaer | i just wish blizzard would lets us test mods on the beta |
| 16:42.17 | Droolio | they don't anymore? |
| 16:42.25 | Lothaer | not yet |
| 16:42.36 | Lothaer | they are they just want us to test their new UI stuff first |
| 16:42.57 | Droolio | is the beta open? |
| 16:43.11 | Lothaer | you gotta get a key |
| 16:43.18 | Droolio | kk |
| 16:43.31 | Lothaer | just ask for one from wowi :D |
| 16:43.34 | Lothaer | or curse |
| 16:44.03 | Lothaer | be warned thought the download is HUGE!!! |
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| 16:49.30 | Shirik | it's almost like |
| 16:49.36 | Shirik | the size of a video game |
| 16:49.37 | Shirik | or something |
| 16:50.54 | Lothaer | 15GB |
| 16:54.10 | Wobin | I want them to incorporate clickcasting into their healer ui =) |
| 16:54.25 | Fisker | it isn't a healer ui |
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| 16:55.01 | Lothaer | i want them to incorporate auto sell junk into the vendor UI |
| 16:55.11 | Lothaer | FISKER!!! |
| 16:55.20 | Fisker | LOTHAER!!! |
| 16:55.24 | Lothaer | bless you |
| 16:55.27 | Lothaer | :P |
| 16:56.14 | Wobin | Fisker: pft, so they should -make- it a healer ui then |
| 16:56.16 | Fisker | why? |
| 16:56.26 | Wobin | Cause that's what I want |
| 16:56.30 | Wobin | duj |
| 16:56.41 | Wobin | s/j/h/ |
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| 16:58.16 | airtonix | Fisker, your face |
| 16:58.20 | Fisker | i was talking to Lothaer |
| 16:58.27 | Fisker | no your moms face airtonix |
| 16:58.37 | Wobin | Fisker is your mom? |
| 16:58.37 | airtonix | what is a 'mom' ? |
| 16:59.09 | airtonix | Massively Online Meme ? |
| 16:59.35 | airtonix | anyway...fisker... |
| 16:59.57 | Fisker | anyway airtonix |
| 17:00.11 | airtonix | yeah so the other day |
| 17:00.16 | airtonix | i anyway'd you |
| 17:00.24 | airtonix | and stuff |
| 17:00.33 | Fisker | k |
| 17:00.46 | Fisker | i pwt n00bs on the forums though |
| 17:00.57 | airtonix | cept you fail at vendoring |
| 17:01.07 | airtonix | and like |
| 17:01.12 | airtonix | your toons are naked now |
| 17:01.18 | Fisker | baw? |
| 17:01.51 | airtonix | Fisker, |
| 17:01.59 | airtonix | how would you deal with things |
| 17:02.12 | airtonix | if you lived with a neo facist feminzai ? |
| 17:02.27 | Lothaer | Fisker you know what i was saying bless you for??? |
| 17:02.27 | airtonix | i'll say that again |
| 17:02.46 | airtonix | neo facist feminazi |
| 17:02.52 | Thunder_Child | Lothaer: because demons and devils get hurt by it? |
| 17:03.17 | Fisker | naw Lothaer |
| 17:03.38 | airtonix | something cute i presume |
| 17:03.55 | airtonix | it'll be something about whiskers too |
| 17:04.10 | Lothaer | scroll up to when you told Shirik you sneezed :D |
| 17:06.10 | airtonix | cute |
| 17:06.51 | airtonix | so if you imagine the cartoon : Pinky and the Brain. |
| 17:06.55 | airtonix | fisker is pinky |
| 17:07.06 | airtonix | Fisker and the Brain brain brain. |
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| 17:07.24 | Fisker | i'm awesome airtonix |
| 17:07.29 | airtonix | i know! |
| 17:07.30 | Fisker | aww Lothaer |
| 17:07.33 | Fisker | kthx and such |
| 17:07.47 | Lothaer | for some reason when i say fisker i think it sound slike a abreviation of FrISK hER |
| 17:07.50 | Lothaer | :D |
| 17:07.58 | Lothaer | :P |
| 17:09.10 | Fisker | :O |
| 17:09.31 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.05 | Lothaer | NARF |
| 17:12.47 | Adys | [Bug 24001] New: StarCraft2 screen garbled as "bad glass" on ATI cards, when not using orm=backbuffer |
| 17:12.48 | Adys | sighs |
| 17:13.03 | Adys | http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=30146 |
| 17:13.05 | Adys | holy crap |
| 17:13.15 | Fisker | nvidia card |
| 17:14.45 | Lothaer | nvidia ftw |
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| 17:19.15 | Adys | [wine-devel]: <snip> benjie1@benjie1:~/Downloads$ sudo apt-get install icuii81.exe |
| 17:22.04 | Fisker | yeah Lothaer |
| 17:22.14 | Fisker | ati just recently released their madcuzbad-response to fermi |
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| 17:24.45 | Wraithan | Is there a function to get/accept the exchange dialog that comes up when you go to buy badge gear? |
| 17:27.47 | zenzelezz | http://kuvaton.com/browse/15434/this_asian_guy.jpg |
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| 17:47.14 | SeanK | crickets |
| 17:54.20 | Fisker | SHIRIK |
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| 17:59.27 | Fisker | hej roboe |
| 17:59.34 | Fisker | Shirik er dum |
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| 18:46.09 | Spejnar | I just broke my addon. Got editboxes but I cant enter anything. Any wild guesses? worked before I did the breaking.. |
| 18:47.48 | cloudwolf | I love you beta always breaking my install every patch |
| 18:47.52 | cloudwolf | gota reinstall AGAIN |
| 18:48.23 | cloudwolf | Spejnar do you have a string element attached to the frame? |
| 18:50.01 | cloudwolf | CreateFontString to your frame? |
| 18:52.26 | augustl | cloudwolf: what kind of broken? |
| 18:52.28 | augustl | works fine here |
| 18:52.40 | cloudwolf | augustl i dind't break it i was trying to help him XD |
| 18:52.47 | cloudwolf | OH wait wow broked |
| 18:52.54 | augustl | ya :) |
| 18:53.19 | cloudwolf | .... "other instance of wow downloading content arleady." "btw your wow is broken try running repair .exe." "repair.exe doens't find needed info on servers reinstall to play." |
| 18:53.40 | cloudwolf | this is wow beta but still |
| 18:53.41 | augustl | odd |
| 18:53.47 | augustl | haven't had any problems like that |
| 18:53.53 | cloudwolf | 2nd time |
| 18:54.12 | Spejnar | cloudwolf: http://pastebin.com/TMz2CmYM |
| 18:54.14 | Spejnar | looks I dont |
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| 18:54.33 | cloudwolf | ewwwww xml i can't help you |
| 18:54.38 | Spejnar | hehe |
| 18:54.43 | Spejnar | strange indentation on pastebin.. |
| 18:54.54 | Spejnar | same thing as setting it in Lua I guess |
| 18:55.11 | cloudwolf | meh but it looks different and i never bothered ot learn it |
| 18:55.18 | augustl | I like xml for UI, for the sole reason of forcing me to separate view code and units |
| 18:57.06 | Adys | X Error of failed request: GLXBadDrawable |
| 18:57.07 | Adys | What's wrong? I hardly can understand the output. I have ATI x1250 video card. I suggest that problem with it, but in what? Proprietary Driver doesn't work as it should be. or what? |
| 18:57.09 | Adys | haha. |
| 18:59.21 | zenzelezz | Adys: someone posted that error somewhere? |
| 18:59.27 | Adys | yea |
| 18:59.32 | Adys | wine-users |
| 18:59.37 | Adys | ati. |
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| 19:21.27 | cloudwolf | wine + ati are not friends i presume? |
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| 19:34.05 | Spejnar | bah, cant get the damn editbox to behave |
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| 20:05.20 | Spejnar | I got the text working for my editbox but I cant get OnEnterPressed to trigger for some reason |
| 20:09.32 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:09.36 | Fisker | i didn't know you played TF2 |
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| 20:11.32 | Spejnar | And I fixed it. Change oneline <OnEnterPressed function="myOnEnterPressedFunct(self)"/> to the long version and it worked.. |
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| 20:15.50 | Thrae | Hey, 50% off Fallout 3 GOTY on Steam today only. Includes all DLCs. ($25) |
| 20:17.44 | batrick | shirik stole my trigger |
| 20:17.47 | batrick | what a thief |
| 20:17.57 | batrick | batbot: don't you agree? |
| 20:17.57 | batbot | batrick, Yes... Definitely. |
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| 20:27.07 | Dashkal | oh sweet. kde is usable again :) I tried to use the beta version but dual monitor use wasn't really working |
| 20:30.07 | Fisker | no Thrae |
| 20:30.10 | Fisker | you have been stopped |
| 20:31.06 | Spejnar | so.. is there any other way to empty an editbox then SetText("") ? |
| 20:31.25 | Adys | Maldivia: ping |
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| 21:00.54 | Spejnar | any easy way to empty a saved var? |
| 21:01.19 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.24 | Dagmar | ""? |
| 21:01.30 | Spejnar | nm, I just deleted it |
| 21:01.51 | Spejnar | couldnt figure out why my addon was breaking, then I remembered I had a saved variable with no default, nm fixed it ^^ |
| 21:02.15 | Spejnar | and I set the default in my if not mysavedvar then |
| 21:02.19 | Spejnar | hence it breaking |
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| 21:06.20 | Amarande | LOL ... |
| 21:06.43 | Amarande | Arthas: "Father!!!! Is it over? ...." King Menethil II: "No, my son, the raid resets next week." |
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| 21:13.44 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 21:20.08 | Adys | cloudwolf: ati == not friends |
| 21:20.22 | cloudwolf | late response is late :D |
| 21:20.25 | Adys | ati + linux mostly |
| 21:20.28 | Adys | but ati in general |
| 21:20.29 | Adys | drivers |
| 21:20.30 | Adys | ftl. |
| 21:20.46 | cloudwolf | Im an nvidia fan personally |
| 21:20.47 | Amarande | yes, ati drivers on linux are fail indeed |
| 21:20.56 | Adys | ati drivers in generalm |
| 21:20.57 | Adys | -m |
| 21:21.07 | Amarande | when they keep thinking that "logging out of X often crashes machine hard" is a minor, back burner type of problem ... EPIC FAIL |
| 21:21.20 | Adys | lol its not just that |
| 21:21.21 | Amarande | nVidia is much better, although trying to get a GTS 250 set up in some distros is painful |
| 21:21.21 | Adys | god |
| 21:22.04 | Spejnar | ehm shouldnt removing the file in savedVariables actually REMOVE the saved info? |
| 21:22.09 | cloudwolf | i'm not a linux user I may dual boot on my next computer though |
| 21:23.04 | Spejnar | god damn wow it restores the savedVar even without a .bak file, sorcery! |
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| 21:24.28 | Bartlomehus | Make sure to exit wow before deleting them |
| 21:24.46 | Spejnar | this time I overdid it, hopefully it worked |
| 21:25.29 | Spejnar | woho |
| 21:25.53 | Spejnar | so all my damn trouble came from persistant saved variables, oh well, you live, you learn |
| 21:26.06 | Spejnar | and yes, I know saved variables are suppose to be persistant >.< |
| 21:27.58 | Fisker | slaps Amarande around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:33.28 | Amarande | man, I love some of these trade chat bozos |
| 21:33.39 | Amarande | trying to look for tanks for raids, saying "all loot reserved" |
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| 21:42.30 | Singmyr | i need some help with showing a frame with a button in it :o |
| 21:43.59 | Amarande | ponders ditching the hunter or not |
| 21:44.02 | Spejnar | Singmyr: whats the prob? |
| 21:44.31 | Amarande | been ditching my lesser played characters so I can reclaim more gold off of them and well I hardly ever play them anyway heh |
| 21:44.34 | Singmyr | it doesn't show :o |
| 21:44.43 | Singmyr | i don't know if i'm missing something |
| 21:45.11 | Spejnar | Singmyr: pastebin it |
| 21:48.53 | Dagmar | Amarande: Sounds like a perfect raid to test the "Misdirect Randomizer" addon with |
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| 21:49.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: is it really appropriate to respond to douchebaggery with more douchebaggery? :| |
| 21:49.33 | Spejnar | yes |
| 21:49.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: Absolutely |
| 21:49.59 | Singmyr | http://codepaste.net/eas2t6 |
| 21:52.59 | Spejnar | im trying to use the useparent-unit attribute and it works for all targets but when I dont have any target and wanna cast "default spells" it doesnt cast it |
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| 21:53.40 | Dashkal | Heh, the sc2 forums are getting worse than the wow forums... |
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| 22:02.55 | myrkraverk | Dashkal, how so? |
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| 22:07.27 | myrkraverk | Does anyone here know what happens to a beta order if the author isn't "worthy" ? |
| 22:07.40 | Cairenn|afk | which site? |
| 22:07.58 | Dashkal | myrkraverk: "Whaaa, gimme chat rooms" and other such things spamming up every single plizzard thread |
| 22:08.41 | myrkraverk | I meant curseforge beta orders. Sorry. |
| 22:08.50 | Dashkal | Not that I disagree with the requests, but they sound like schoolchildren drowning everything else out |
| 22:09.10 | myrkraverk | Dashkal, the problem really is that schoolchildren are attention starved. |
| 22:09.35 | myrkraverk | Fix that and you fix most of the internet ;-P |
| 22:09.36 | Dashkal | At least I can mark the comments as spamming/trolling |
| 22:09.49 | Amarande | Afternoon Cairenn :) |
| 22:09.50 | Dashkal | That would require fixing humanity... |
| 22:10.09 | myrkraverk | No, that would require fixing the school system (and/or abanding it) |
| 22:10.23 | myrkraverk | But that's a debate for another day ;) |
| 22:14.46 | Corrodias | someone on 4chan says, "why would a company tailoring their software specifically to koreans choose a name with an l and an r in it? that's just cruel." |
| 22:15.33 | Corrodias | wonders if the language issue is the same as with japanese. dude might just be confused. |
| 22:16.06 | myrkraverk | I think it's same with korean japanese and chinese (but I could be wrong) |
| 22:16.18 | Corrodias | i asked and he said, "onsidering in korean l an r are the same letter and you choose pronunciation based on the position in the word" |
| 22:16.45 | myrkraverk | seems the same as japanese. |
| 22:16.51 | myrkraverk | sort of. |
| 22:16.57 | haste | sort of wrong :P |
| 22:17.03 | Corrodias | japanese just has one letter/sound that's halfway between the two |
| 22:17.40 | myrkraverk | not in my experience (but then I didn't study the language for that long) |
| 22:17.42 | Corrodias | when transliterating something into an english letter set, people usually choose 'r' unless it sounds better to have an 'l' there |
| 22:17.57 | Corrodias | but they don't really have a difference |
| 22:18.43 | myrkraverk | no, not to the japanese - they pronounce the words with L and R though, whether it's personal preference or depends on the situation or word, I don't know. |
| 22:19.03 | Corrodias | well, i expect that foreign words that do have R and/or L might end up having them pronounced differently, depending on how good the person is at it |
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| 22:19.35 | myrkraverk | Possibly, but I'm talking about japanese words. |
| 22:19.42 | myrkraverk | said by the japanese. |
| 22:20.20 | Corrodias | well, i am probably no more familiar with it than you, so i suppose i can't say i have any authority here. :) |
| 22:20.40 | myrkraverk | I did study the language for a semester in uni ;-P |
| 22:20.43 | Corrodias | but anyway, i'm going to go shopping for a bit. i need a new wallet/binder for my console games. one with removable pages for easy reorganizing as i add more. |
| 22:20.55 | myrkraverk | Right. |
| 22:21.25 | myrkraverk | I got myself one of those, with a rack to keep at home - then they stopped selling that brand here >.> |
| 22:22.58 | Corrodias | the ones online either have colors i don't like or use a binding system that i don't trust, so i need to go see it in person before i decide |
| 22:23.08 | Corrodias | plastic rings... shady |
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| 22:39.56 | Dashkal | ugh. Japanese ra/ri/ro/re/ru is so nasty for an english tongue... |
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| 23:09.24 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Master it, and you master japanese women |
| 23:12.11 | Gintaro | that's cause you sobs don't have a rolling r! |
| 23:16.08 | Spejnar | just lost a isle of conquest because 10 members decided to waste bombs on the small dooring leading to the final boss instead of the two gates we were attacking.. |
| 23:16.23 | Amarande | heh I'm trying to remember if I've ever even BEEN to isle of conquest |
| 23:16.28 | Amarande | I don't think I've ever done that one :) |
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| 23:17.00 | Spejnar | once in a full moon you get it |
| 23:17.07 | Spejnar | usually you get 90% sota |
| 23:18.57 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:19.13 | Amarande | is it worth upgrading a DPS DK's legs to the 264 crafted ones if it means losing 4pt9? |
| 23:19.24 | Spejnar | probably not |
| 23:19.32 | Spejnar | my guildie is even using 5set |
| 23:19.48 | Amarande | I had 5pt9, then I got the gloves from festergut 10 so I only have 4 now |
| 23:19.59 | Spejnar | oh |
| 23:20.01 | Spejnar | you said t9 |
| 23:20.02 | Spejnar | wtf |
| 23:20.10 | Spejnar | get some real gear >.< |
| 23:20.34 | Amarande | which means if I upgrade my 232 legs to the 264 crafted, I lose the 4pt9 bonus, and I'm not sure how that compares DPS wise with the stat gains from the 264 crafted |
| 23:20.52 | Amarande | http://www.elitistarmory.com/US/Turalyon/Vladoka |
| 23:20.55 | Spejnar | no need, elitist jerks does that for you |
| 23:21.39 | Amarande | Spejnar: you mean new silverlight based rawr? |
| 23:21.44 | Amarande | I tried to load Vladoka into it. I got an error. :P |
| 23:21.59 | Spejnar | no I mean the forums |
| 23:23.23 | Spejnar | I usually check manually how much dmg it actually does and what the decrease would be |
| 23:23.43 | Spejnar | 3% total without crits would be like -60% dmg if you are at 40% avg crit, ehm, I think |
| 23:23.51 | Spejnar | which is more than most bonuses give you |
| 23:24.13 | Spejnar | but right now I wouldnt focus too much on 4t9 but rather get some t10, I guess you dont raid since you dont have any drops |
| 23:24.18 | Spejnar | other than rep ring I mean |
| 23:24.23 | Spejnar | oh, and gloves |
| 23:24.54 | Spejnar | dont know much about frost but I dont think you should be stacking arp for it |
| 23:25.25 | Spejnar | pretty sure haste/crit/str is the way to go |
| 23:27.40 | Amarande | Spejnar: yeah I just started raiding this week pretty much |
| 23:27.56 | Amarande | finally found a group that would accept my sub-4800 GS ass for icc10 heh |
| 23:28.07 | Amarande | (and now I have 5028, anyway) |
| 23:29.42 | Spejnar | meh, you give +20% melee haste |
| 23:29.44 | Spejnar | pro |
| 23:40.07 | Amarande | ok that's odd, when I deleted and came down to just my bank alt and my 70+ characters |
| 23:40.18 | Amarande | ... apparently I pared down to only and all of my female BEs. |
| 23:44.50 | Spejnar | avg. ilvl 268 >.< |
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| 23:55.28 | Amarande | hmm, no way to upgrade a DK from the bent gold belt effectively without raid drop or frost badges? |
