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| 00:06.36 | ezarra | I have a email address that has only ever been used for blizzard and I check DKIM and SPA |
| 00:06.47 | ezarra | SPF, even |
| 00:07.06 | ezarra | stupid F key is too close to the A! |
| 00:07.20 | foxlit | asdf? |
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| 00:11.39 | Wobin | Todd McFarlane's attorney Alex Grimsley said, "You admitted that Medieval Spawn is derived from the character Spawn?" Neil Gaiman responded, "I don't admit it. I avow it. It's a derivative character. ... That's the point." |
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| 00:11.46 | Amarande | G'evening :) |
| 00:12.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: link? |
| 00:12.16 | Wobin | I <3 anyone that can causally use the word 'avow' and not look like a prat =) |
| 00:12.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: it's neil fucking gaiman, are we that surprised? :P |
| 00:12.43 | Wobin | truly we are not |
| 00:12.45 | Wobin | http://www.maggiethompson.com/2010/07/stock-characteristics.html |
| 00:12.53 | laeg | is there a mod that will show the levels of zones on the world map? |
| 00:13.02 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: I saw him on Saturday at the Opera House, reading his short story |
| 00:13.11 | Wobin | it was utterly spellbinding =P |
| 00:13.33 | Wobin | -especially- since he had a backing string quartet providing a soundtrack |
| 00:14.16 | Wobin | who knew a violin could convincingly portray the sound of a body stretching a rope over the edge of a cliff face? |
| 00:14.54 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 00:14.55 | Amarande | laeg: there's a number of mods that do that |
| 00:15.01 | Dagmar | Anyone whose watched cartoons |
| 00:15.07 | laeg | Amarande: can you name one? |
| 00:15.15 | Amarande | laeg: I *think* Cartographer2 does |
| 00:15.36 | Wobin | Dagmar: well it's one thing to -hear- it |
| 00:15.39 | Amarande | been a while since I used it though since I used to use QH, and Cartog2 and QH weren't getting along for me |
| 00:15.39 | laeg | Archarodim: found cromulent does, ty |
| 00:15.41 | Wobin | and another to see it =) |
| 00:16.07 | Wobin | Fourplay were amazingly professional |
| 00:16.29 | Wobin | that they could pull off a one off performance like that only after two days of rehearsal |
| 00:16.51 | Wobin | Also, Kevin Smith is bigger than you think =P |
| 00:18.14 | Wobin | (or perhaps just bigger than I originally envisaged from the Silent Bob I recall) |
| 00:19.52 | Dagmar | Wobin: TOO FAT FOR SOUTHWEST |
| 00:20.16 | Dagmar | But still, not so damn portly he should ahve been asked to pay for two seats there |
| 00:20.18 | Wobin | Dagmar: I remember thinking, when I saw the photo he took after that |
| 00:20.28 | Wobin | that 'hm he's not so big, really' |
| 00:20.34 | Wobin | but then seeing him on stage... |
| 00:20.37 | Wobin | he's ... conical |
| 00:20.45 | Dagmar | Yeah, I'd call him on the heavy side of 'husky' |
| 00:20.48 | Dagmar | He doesn |
| 00:20.54 | NightHawkTheSane | goes home |
| 00:20.57 | Dagmar | t have like, jelly rolls hanging off the side or somethign |
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| 00:21.18 | Wobin | you know those huge basketball jerseys you americans wear? |
| 00:21.27 | Wobin | it's not loose on him |
| 00:21.59 | Dagmar | They do make them in different sizes |
| 00:22.18 | Wobin | (it looked like a tent =\) |
| 00:22.45 | Wobin | of course, he was standing next to Neil, who isn't wide, by any stretch of the imagination |
| 00:22.51 | Dagmar | This flight attendant thing is hilarious |
| 00:22.56 | Wobin | also, the competition winner, who was a very small canadian |
| 00:23.40 | Kraps | NEED MORE FIREFLY |
| 00:23.49 | Wobin | you run out? |
| 00:23.59 | Dagmar | Sorry, there is no more Firefly |
| 00:24.20 | Wobin | watch Sherlock instead |
| 00:24.26 | Wobin | it'll tide you over for a few episodes |
| 00:24.27 | Dagmar | let's not and just say we did |
| 00:24.29 | Kraps | who? |
| 00:24.45 | Wobin | the 'new' Beeb production |
| 00:25.04 | Kraps | beeb? |
| 00:25.07 | Wobin | BBC |
| 00:25.18 | Wobin | produced by Moffat, that Dr Who guy |
| 00:25.32 | Wobin | it's pretty good =) |
| 00:25.33 | Kraps | is lost |
| 00:25.35 | Dagmar | Although I'm pretty sure the charge won't make it to in front of a judge, it's pretty hilarious that they are trying to charge that flight attendant with reckless endangerment |
| 00:25.50 | Dagmar | He deployed _safety equipment_. This is hardly endangering anyone. |
| 00:26.04 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_(TV_series) |
| 00:26.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: Criminal mischief seems to be pretty appropriate though :S |
| 00:26.40 | Dagmar | Yeah and that's fine. A misdemeanor is about what this calls for |
| 00:27.19 | Dagmar | He didn't own that equipment he deployed and there's disposable cartridges that will ahve to be replaced now, which is why it strays into 'criminal'. |
| 00:27.25 | Dagmar | But it's still -hilarious- |
| 00:27.42 | Dagmar | The guy still has a satisfied smirk on his face when they're walking him out to the paddy wagon |
| 00:27.43 | Dagmar | Hehe |
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| 02:54.15 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Beta Keys for Authors! http://cot.ag/aG4uy6 or http://cot.ag/bYZvjt || Happy Birthday Moonwitch! |
| 02:56.29 | Shirik_ | HI PURL |
| 02:56.33 | Shirik_ | purl, hi |
| 02:56.33 | purl | hello, shirik_ |
| 02:56.37 | kd3 | ~botsnack |
| 02:56.37 | purl | kd3: aw, gee |
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| 02:57.57 | Kraps | WIN http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26435494465/something-has-been-bothering-me/ |
| 02:58.43 | Shirik_ | nice |
| 03:00.18 | cloudwolf | kraps i just wish the escort quests were truely that an escort quest. im being lead around by the npc and say im am lowon hp TOUGH LUCK BUDDEH IM STILL WALKING! |
| 03:00.58 | kd3 | thinks of the harrison jones "escort" quest in grizzly hills |
| 03:01.31 | Kraps | or they should have actual escorts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_girl |
| 03:01.55 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 03:02.05 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Dun-da-Dun-tah! |
| 03:02.07 | cloudwolf | come on sweetie you excepted my quest now wheres my 100 g |
| 03:02.33 | Shirik_ | "The less upmarket side of escorts may be handled by a pimp." |
| 03:02.37 | Shirik_ | ... |
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| 03:03.02 | Shirik_ | Kraps |
| 03:03.03 | Shirik_ | evil man |
| 03:03.05 | Shirik_ | that was karma |
| 03:03.12 | kd3 | watches shirik hit the edit tab |
| 03:03.18 | Shirik_ | no |
| 03:03.20 | Shirik_ | screw that page |
| 03:03.43 | Kraps | you can screw the subject of the page\ |
| 03:03.53 | Kraps | WOO I AM ON FIRE |
| 03:04.28 | Shirik_ | ... |
| 03:05.45 | Kraps | Shirik_: its ok to admit that i am |
| 03:07.37 | Kraps | Serenity would be better if less of the crew died |
| 03:14.18 | Kraps | huh Vrolik syndrome is a real name |
| 03:14.29 | cog|away | they seem to have become subtler with their poo jokes in cata (either that or i just haven't gotten the quest to do something with that steaming pile of manure outside of menethil) |
| 03:15.39 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Bravo_Company_Field_Kit:_Camouflage |
| 03:15.42 | kd3 | only one I've seen so far |
| 03:16.31 | Shirik_ | song of awesomeness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZMCkufE0X0 |
| 03:16.35 | cog|away | http://cata.wowhead.com/quest=25726/a-dumpy-job |
| 03:18.33 | cogwheel | you know someone was like "haha dumpy level... we should so put that in the game" |
| 03:18.58 | durcyn | ~wowalert |
| 03:18.59 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 03:19.58 | Kraps | Shirik_: build me a country radio station in nyc plz |
| 03:20.09 | Shirik_ | XM 13 |
| 03:20.31 | Shirik_ | sorry I meant XM 11 |
| 03:20.40 | Kraps | thats not what i said |
| 03:20.46 | Shirik_ | ~wiki Nashville! |
| 03:21.06 | Shirik_ | purl |
| 03:21.11 | Shirik_ | someone needs to teach you to throw out templates |
| 03:21.12 | kd3 | purl really needs to learn to ignore infoboxes |
| 03:22.43 | Dagmar | who runs purl, exactly? |
| 03:23.17 | Dagmar | purl Unfortunately, Nashville is hella boring. |
| 03:23.17 | purl | Dagmar: what are you talking about? |
| 03:23.22 | Dagmar | emr |
| 03:23.27 | Dagmar | ~purl Unfortunately, Nashville is hella boring. |
| 03:23.28 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Dagmar |
| 03:23.39 | Dagmar | screw it. ENOTENOUGHCAFFIENE |
| 03:23.41 | Corrodias2 | Shirik_: boy's got a nice voice |
| 03:23.48 | Shirik_ | agree |
| 03:24.01 | Dagmar | That's how prehistoric hillbillies attracted mates. |
| 03:25.16 | alestane | purl appears in many channels, Dagmar, I think she may be provided by freenode. |
| 03:25.30 | Dagmar | Oooh |
| 03:25.32 | kd3 | ~help |
| 03:25.38 | Dagmar | I thought it was one of youse guise |
| 03:25.54 | kd3 | nope |
| 03:26.06 | Shirik_ | purl, who is your owner? |
| 03:26.08 | purl | Shirik_: what are you talking about? |
| 03:26.10 | Shirik_ | .. |
| 03:26.16 | Shirik_ | there's something like that |
| 03:26.17 | Shirik_ | ~owner |
| 03:26.18 | purl | TimRiker is my owner |
| 03:26.22 | Shirik_ | ~timriker |
| 03:26.23 | purl | timriker is probably my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
| 03:26.56 | Shirik_ | there's actually something like 3 purls on freenode |
| 03:27.01 | Shirik_ | purl, infobot, and something else |
| 03:28.30 | Esamynn | sooo, anyone in need of a beta guild invite, Alliance Side, US, PvE ? |
| 03:29.07 | Arrowmaster | Shirik_: dpkg is a purl instance and its in #debian on both freenode and oftc |
| 03:29.24 | Arrowmaster | ~seen Arrowmaster |
| 03:29.26 | purl | arrowmaster is currently on #debian #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 624 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen Arrowmaster'. |
| 03:29.48 | Arrowmaster | 624... wow |
| 03:31.27 | Shirik_ | btw |
| 03:31.27 | Arrowmaster | but yeah neither purl or infobot are in #debian so dpkg is linked up with them too |
| 03:31.29 | Shirik_ | Dell |
| 03:31.43 | Shirik_ | is selling 24" 1080p monitors for under $200 today |
| 03:31.57 | Arrowmaster | shitty TN panel? |
| 03:32.02 | Esamynn | cheap pieces of... crap, I'm sure |
| 03:32.03 | Dagmar | Probably. It's Dell. |
| 03:32.14 | Dagmar | Might as well just buy direct from Foxconn |
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| 03:32.18 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: hey im still using my Dell 2001FP |
| 03:32.31 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yes but that's when they were having Sony make the parts |
| 03:32.41 | Shirik_ | some day I'll get some nice monitors |
| 03:32.44 | Shirik_ | but I need a computer first |
| 03:32.47 | Arrowmaster | mine has an LG panel |
| 03:32.48 | Shirik_ | kinda a prerequisite |
| 03:32.55 | Arrowmaster | like almost every other fucking LCD in the world |
| 03:33.08 | Dagmar | One of mine is an LG. The other is a Samsung (IIRC) |
| 03:33.33 | Arrowmaster | i dont think samsung makes panels |
| 03:33.40 | Dagmar | No wait, not Samsung... Acer. |
| 03:33.50 | Arrowmaster | acer does not make panels |
| 03:34.00 | Arrowmaster | its like just LG and Philips i think |
| 03:34.15 | Dagmar | The irritating thing is that the Acer has a better picture than the LG |
| 03:34.44 | Arrowmaster | mine is starting to get some backlight uniformity issues |
| 03:34.51 | Arrowmaster | ive had the thing since 2003 |
| 03:35.34 | Corrodias2 | my backlight uniformity could be better. :| |
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| 03:36.01 | Arrowmaster | oh seems the power has gone out since the last time i put this panel in factory mode so i cant see the runtime on it until i turn it off and remember how to do it again |
| 03:36.08 | Arrowmaster | but it was over 65,000 hours i think |
| 03:39.42 | Shirik_ | (20:38:25) (Shirik_) if crying were pointless it would not exist (20:38:28) (Shirik_) everything has a purpose (20:38:32) (Shirik_) except visual basic (20:38:36) (Shirik_) that was just a cruel joke |
| 03:39.44 | Shirik_ | true or false? |
| 03:45.48 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/08/09/guest-post-32-tricks-for-icecrown-citadel/ |
| 03:54.45 | DWSR | Shirik_: True that it's pointless, false that it's a cruel joke. |
| 03:56.50 | DWSR | Kraps: 32 tips for noobs. |
| 03:57.26 | DWSR | Didn't know about the soul siphon in Blood wing though |
| 03:59.04 | DWSR | And the last tip is still false. |
| 03:59.09 | Dagmar | Most of these are just snark, right? |
| 03:59.16 | Dagmar | How the fuck do you TIME a seed of corruption case |
| 03:59.18 | Dagmar | er cast |
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| 03:59.54 | DWSR | easily. |
| 03:59.55 | DWSR | Baddie. |
| 03:59.59 | Dagmar | ...and what possible utility does that server beyond meter-whoring? |
| 04:00.09 | DWSR | Doing extra damage to bonespikes? |
| 04:00.29 | DWSR | On normal, at least, most of my spells on my lock are too long of a cast time to hit the bonespikes. |
| 04:00.32 | Dagmar | Honestly, we've never had any problem nuking bone spikes |
| 04:00.41 | DWSR | I haven't either, but I can understand the point of it. |
| 04:00.48 | Dagmar | yeah we just tell the dotters to ignore them |
| 04:01.30 | DWSR | My demo lock doesn't dot. |
| 04:01.31 | DWSR | It nukes. |
| 04:01.34 | DWSR | WITH SOUL FIAAAA |
| 04:02.26 | Dagmar | Fuck I love that spell |
| 04:02.39 | Dagmar | It's like a Hunter's Kill Shot, but without the annoyingly long cooldown |
| 04:02.45 | Dagmar | *WHAM*WHAM*WHAM*WHAM*WHAM*dead |
| 04:03.52 | Dagmar | I'd also like to add a nice "yeah fuck you too" to the "and if everyone's stacked correctly in melee range" bit |
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| 04:03.59 | Dagmar | ...on behalf of every hunter out there. |
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| 04:08.23 | Dagmar | "90% of the time" explains a few things tho... LIke that f**king dragon hasn't actually been targeting me personally all this time |
| 04:08.44 | Dagmar | I'd just gotten used to putting a finger over the oshit keys |
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| 04:42.29 | Fisker | kd3men |
| 04:42.31 | Fisker | Shirik_men |
| 05:00.16 | cralor | Does Europe's WoW Launcher vary by locale? |
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| 05:34.36 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/pygmy-hippo-baby-makes-public-debut-20100805-11jxt.html |
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| 06:29.15 | bluspacecow | http://www.blogadilla.com/img/golden-retriever-tiger.jpg |
| 06:33.39 | zenzelezz | funky |
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| 08:18.34 | augustl | Magic Tampon? http://cata.wowhead.com/item=2804 |
| 08:20.24 | industrial | lmao |
| 08:20.29 | industrial | pasting that all around now. |
| 08:23.45 | Fisker | you wouldn't download a car |
| 08:23.58 | industrial | bet you I would |
| 08:24.40 | Fisker | oh nos |
| 08:24.42 | industrial | then, because it is open source hardware and software, using my superior engineering skills I will make it Better(tm) and we will all drive more safely and faster! |
| 08:24.42 | Fisker | pirate |
| 08:24.55 | industrial | or maybe Shirik_ will. |
| 08:25.29 | industrial | Then, I will go to my 3D printing vendor and get the car made! |
| 08:25.59 | industrial | We have a bright, open source, future ahead of us Fisker. |
| 08:26.26 | industrial | puts one arm around fisker as they stand on the cliff, showing Fisker the world with a hand motion across the horizon. |
| 08:26.34 | industrial | Beautiful isn't it? |
| 08:29.16 | Grum | the whole 'piracy is theft' is just a fail comparison :) |
| 08:39.30 | Arrowmaster | waits for the moment when industrial pushes Fisker |
| 08:40.42 | mikma | fisker: i downloaded german trucks simulator 2 months ago. so, i downloaded a car. |
| 09:06.21 | Fisker | sweet |
| 09:11.36 | zenzelezz | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/08/how-star-trek-artists-imagined-the-ipad-23-years-ago.ars |
| 09:12.23 | Dashkal | I'd like this streaming client a lot more if it didn't seem like I have to stream everything every time... |
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| 09:24.50 | Mirrormn | does anyone know how to make statusbars not suck? |
| 09:26.04 | Mirrormn | by which I mean, make them mask their textures on progress instead of just squeezing them |
| 09:31.53 | Mirrormn | I guess the obvious answer was to just not use a statusbar and control the textures and texcoords manually |
| 09:31.56 | Elkano | use two frames? |
| 09:32.28 | Mirrormn | how would that help? |
| 09:33.06 | Elkano | that's what I do in EBB, one as background and one as foreground with texture coordinates and width |
| 09:33.38 | Elkano | so what you said ^^ |
| 09:36.24 | Mirrormn | you don't use a CreateFrame("Statusbar")? |
| 09:37.35 | zenzelezz | "Vengeance isn't what it going to make the difference between grabbing an add quickly." -- I realise most people can read what this means just fine... but I hate when people leave out a part of a comparison |
| 09:38.27 | Mirrormn | ironically, I had a very hard time comprehending that sentence due to a typo |
| 09:38.28 | zenzelezz | Mirrormn: I think it's fairly common in WoW addons to make their own statusbars instead of using the default ones |
| 09:38.30 | Elkano | I used to use statusbars but they aren't as flexible as I wanted them |
| 09:38.39 | zenzelezz | because of what Elkano just said =) |
| 09:39.23 | Mirrormn | well I'm not exactly sure what you mean by flexibility |
| 09:40.10 | Mirrormn | but it doesn't seem like there's any way to make a statusbar render correctly unless the texture you're using for the bar is actually the same width as the bar |
| 09:40.10 | jnwhiteh | Can any body tell me, how I can save my variable, on screens before entering world (login/character_select etc.). I try to little rewrite login ui and need for save some my vars (for sample in Config.wtf, like other vars). may be I must declare my vars as CVar, but how it possible? p.s. sorry for my english. |
| 09:40.26 | jnwhiteh | "Don't be sorry for your English, be sorry for wanting to violate the ToU/ToS and go away please. Thanks" |
| 09:41.16 | zenzelezz | jnwhiteh: lol |
| 09:41.39 | Elkano | clad, read your first line and wondered who replaced you ^^ |
| 09:41.59 | Elkano | @ Mirrormn, iirc statusbar doesn't support eg right2left |
| 09:42.01 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: helo i try to witre custom login windo for my own wow server but i need help with it, pls |
| 09:42.20 | Mirrormn | well, yeah, that too |
| 09:43.04 | Elkano | Me triez to put keylogga into login but me no know how doing, man... |
| 09:43.32 | Mirrormn | the only thing that gets me is that for some reason it seems like the specific behavior I don't like about statusbars didn't start happening until like 3.3.3 but nobody ever talks about it |
| 09:43.50 | Mirrormn | makes me feel like I'm crazy or something |
| 09:44.40 | Arrowmaster | no they did make some change that broke tons of stuff |
| 09:44.45 | Arrowmaster | including their own unitframes |
| 09:46.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | what is the best mocking toolkit for java? |
| 09:46.14 | Mirrormn | well, what I'm talking about specifically is statusbar textures being condensed instead of masked, as if the internal operation was changed from SetTexCoord to SetWidth |
| 09:46.26 | sylvanaar_atwork | JMock? |
| 09:46.37 | Mirrormn | I don't remember that ever being a problem until really recently |
| 09:47.21 | zenzelezz | "It would be nice if the most powerful female figures in Azeroth didn't dress like insecure 16 year olds trying to get over their daddy issues by rubbing themselves up against poles in exchange for small notes." |
| 09:57.59 | Fisker | porn Elkano zenzelezz |
| 09:58.21 | Elkano | ~fisker- |
| 09:58.22 | purl | fisker- is a brand of cat food |
| 10:02.27 | zenzelezz | "What significant staple of the Warcraft games hasn't met it's end yet, so to speak?" -- "Well if I had to guess, it might be something to do with a nefarious, black scourge of life... a particular wing of death if you will" |
| 10:07.00 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: I suppose Jaina doesn't count |
| 10:07.11 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 10:07.18 | zenzelezz | I just liked the way he phrased his reply |
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| 10:21.58 | Jerub | that article about sexism in wow was weird |
| 10:22.11 | Jerub | jaina is all through the icc5mans, which is content seen by more people than icc |
| 10:22.47 | Jerub | plus argent confessor palestres, from toc5 is technically a good guy |
| 10:23.12 | Dagmar | Sounds like someone mistaking traditional high fantasy art with sexism for it's own sake |
| 10:24.01 | Jerub | people find sexism when they look for it. |
| 10:24.12 | Jerub | the flip side is, women are treated poorly by gamers. |
| 10:24.17 | Jerub | which is a real concern |
| 10:24.33 | Dagmar | Beat. Your. Kids. |
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| 11:04.01 | zenzelezz | www.worldofwarcraft-battlelogin-admins.com... yes, that looks totally genuine |
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| 11:05.13 | zenzelezz | what I *really* don't understand about these scam e-mails is why they keep changing the font and font size |
| 11:11.43 | Mirrormn | big colorful fonts are the flame for the idiot moths that are wow players |
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| 11:31.02 | Wobin | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2009/11/16/a-tornado-inside-a-soap-bubble/ |
| 11:31.06 | Wobin | that's pretty cool |
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| 11:37.07 | Fisker | penis |
| 11:43.47 | Arrowmaster | The start tag must have a matching end tag. An explicit end tag can be provided by adding </cfmail>. If the body of the tag is empty you can use the shortcut <cfmail .../>. |
| 11:44.34 | Arrowmaster | gee i wonder if they are aware that their registration page is broken for this event on two different weeks, one of which started yesterday |
| 11:56.00 | Fisker | http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/static/eb/drfront/images/2010-08/10/37-affb6624-f5bd8802.jpeg <-lol cockblocker |
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| 12:40.42 | mitch0 | are there any filename length limitations for addons? (specifically, sound files) |
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| 12:51.13 | harl | hello |
| 13:00.00 | Mikk | mitch0: i'm not aware of one, but it's safe to assume that the entire path shouldn't be longer than 256 characters |
| 13:00.37 | Mikk | (including the install path, whichever whacky one the use ended up choosing) |
| 13:00.41 | Mikk | user* |
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| 13:10.50 | Gintaro | Windows is odd in that way, NTFS doesn't even have that limitation |
| 13:11.06 | Gintaro | It's just that they still enforce it, prolly because of backwards compatibility |
| 13:21.47 | Mikk | The 256 character limit has been in libc's for ages |
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| 13:35.46 | kaso | that reminds me of the !addon trick to get your addon to load first |
| 13:35.59 | kaso | which then breaks in linux for me |
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| 13:39.17 | mitch0 | erm, so maybe I should shorten 74833__jobro__Sword_pulled_3_b.wav to something like 74833.wav |
| 13:41.16 | kaso | possibly a good idea |
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| 13:52.09 | ZorbaTHut | why that looks quite like a freesound url |
| 13:54.46 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/931724925 |
| 14:02.48 | Elkano | let's play a mean game of "guess the addon to the left of the minimap" http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1405/wowscrnshot0520060145013la.jpg ;) |
| 14:04.06 | mitch0 | probly that poorly coded ace2 elk-buffbars or somesuch :P |
| 14:04.18 | Elkano | wrong ^^ |
| 14:05.01 | mitch0 | which part? :) |
| 14:05.53 | Elkano | it's not EBB ^^ neither the poor Ace2 nor the poor Ace1 version ^^ |
| 14:05.59 | Elkano | it's even older |
| 14:08.36 | Elkano | actually, it's a modded Gypsy's ^^ that's what I used before I went to code EBB ^^ |
| 14:09.14 | Elkano | (just happened to find one of my posts from back then asking which addon that is including that screenshot) |
| 14:13.54 | mitch0 | so, what's the current hip cooldown monitor? |
| 14:14.01 | mitch0 | the satrinasomething? |
| 14:14.12 | mitch0 | or is that something completely different? |
| 14:14.28 | mitch0 | (thinking about returning to wow after a loooong break ;) |
| 14:14.48 | zenzelezz | Armory doesn't show characters below 10, does it? |
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| 14:31.27 | Wobin | nyet |
| 14:33.25 | Ackis | hey in 2 months it'll be 10/10/10 |
| 14:34.54 | Fisker | free fart for you Ackis |
| 14:35.04 | Fisker | for free |
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| 14:39.25 | laeg | outfitter used to allow players to switch weapons during combat with lines like: |
| 14:39.34 | laeg | . /outfitter [stance:1, mod:alt] wear Warrior: Battle Stance; wear Warrior: Defensive Stance |
| 14:40.10 | laeg | but it only works out of combat now, does anyone know an alternative addon for handling weapons, not using a regular macro line having to update it with new shield and weapon names each time you get a new one? |
| 14:42.48 | zenzelezz | did it use to happen automatically? (no key presses) |
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| 14:43.33 | zenzelezz | wait, I think I'm insufficiently familiar with Outfitter |
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| 14:45.09 | laeg | zenzelezz: well, you would press a key for an attack macro maybe, and have a line like the one above in it |
| 14:45.25 | laeg | single key press |
| 14:45.48 | Shirik_ | I remember when weapon swapping didn't trigger a GCD |
| 14:45.52 | Shirik_ | I abused that :( |
| 14:46.10 | zenzelezz | everyone did |
| 14:46.15 | Fisker | Shirik_men |
| 14:46.23 | Shirik_ | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:46.23 | Fisker | you are a horrible person |
| 14:46.26 | Shirik_ | best news title ever http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/jetblue_flight_attendant_turns_into_KRcSR96c7unZxJDXZ5LoFL |
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| 14:46.44 | Shirik_ | wait |
| 14:46.48 | Shirik_ | that's not what I was thinking it was |
| 14:46.50 | Shirik_ | boo! |
| 14:47.51 | laeg | i'd like to be able to quickly equip shield in battlestance so i can do a quick shield bash to interupt, and then when pressing any other button re-equip twohander |
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| 14:49.26 | kaso | laeg: equipping weapons/shields causes a global cooldown |
| 14:50.57 | laeg | hmm |
| 14:51.12 | laeg | i think i get another warrior ability to interupt in battle stance at some point anyway i guess |
| 14:52.05 | zenzelezz | Pummel |
| 14:52.12 | zenzelezz | wait, Berserker |
| 14:52.24 | zenzelezz | don't recall if that works in Battle Stance |
| 14:52.28 | kaso | does not |
| 14:52.33 | Ackis | http://thechive.com/2010/08/10/girl-quits-her-job-on-dry-erase-board-emails-entire-office-33-photos/ |
| 14:52.34 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:52.59 | laeg | crap |
| 14:53.34 | kaso | a multi-press macro to equip shield or switch and pummel is best, but basically if you're in battle its usually best to not bother interrupting unless it's really wprth it |
| 14:54.29 | Legorol | laeg: why don't you just pummel instead? |
| 14:54.30 | laeg | fear? |
| 14:54.42 | laeg | legorol: this new warrior is only level 12 |
| 14:54.44 | laeg | :) |
| 14:54.53 | Legorol | you already have shield bash at that point? :O |
| 14:54.58 | laeg | yes |
| 14:55.01 | Legorol | are you sure you are not confusing it with shield slam |
| 14:55.08 | laeg | ahh |
| 14:55.08 | zenzelezz | Ackis: that's awesome |
| 14:55.14 | Legorol | shield slam doesn't interrupt |
| 14:55.21 | Legorol | it's a standard offensive move |
| 14:55.23 | laeg | no |
| 14:55.25 | laeg | shielf bash |
| 14:55.26 | laeg | level 12 |
| 14:55.29 | Legorol | ok |
| 14:55.38 | Legorol | well, shield bash is not on the GCD, |
| 14:55.40 | laeg | i used to use it low level like this for interupting |
| 14:55.47 | Legorol | so you can theoretically switch weapons and interrupt immediately |
| 14:56.11 | laeg | but not with /outfitter [stance:1, mod:alt] wear Warrior: Battle Stance; wear Warrior: Defensive Stance |
| 14:56.19 | laeg | i tried replacing that with the two following lines: |
| 14:56.31 | Legorol | have you tried using the default UI's equipment manager? |
| 14:56.37 | laeg | no |
| 14:56.40 | Legorol | it gives you icons you can drag onto the action bar for switching |
| 14:56.45 | Legorol | i don't know if there are equivalent macro commands |
| 14:56.47 | laeg | hmmm |
| 14:57.16 | Legorol | if you were to make two equipment configurations, one with your 2H and one with your shield, in the dfeault UI, you then have two actions you can use to switch between them |
| 14:57.20 | Legorol | macroing them might be tricky |
| 14:57.33 | Stanzilla | ./equipset NAME |
| 14:57.46 | Legorol | cool |
| 14:57.58 | Legorol | so in theory you can replace your shield bash with: /equipset X, /cast Shield Bash |
| 14:58.26 | Legorol | btw if i remember correctly, shield bash is usable in battle stance |
| 14:58.31 | Legorol | so you don't even need to change stance |
| 14:58.59 | Grum | changing weapons does trigger a gcd right? |
| 15:00.06 | laeg | Legorol: yup, which is why shield bash is great, just need to equip shields |
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| 15:00.19 | laeg | Legorol, Stanzilla, you guys are awesome ty :) |
| 15:00.54 | Legorol | Grum: yes, but shield bash is not on the GCD |
| 15:01.03 | Legorol | so i think weapon switch doesn't stop you from shield bashing |
| 15:01.34 | laeg | at the moment outfitter handles all gear sets including weapons, i can set outfitter to only hand gear, and use ./equipset battlestance (etc) on the macro for each attack in that stance |
| 15:02.07 | laeg | like, outfitter will equip twohanded when i switch to bs, but if i kept that there, and used ./equipset defensive stance while in bs, it might confuse outfitter |
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| 15:22.56 | cogwheel | RAWR |
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| 15:24.13 | cog|work | eek a Shirik |
| 15:25.13 | cog|work | ~lart Shirik |
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| 15:48.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | i love my ispot, just add localally administered mac address settings on my laptops wifi adapter |
| 15:48.58 | Fisker | what is it? |
| 15:48.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | s/localally/locally/ |
| 15:49.38 | nevcairiel | wasnt that this wireless router that only works with apple devices? |
| 15:49.42 | nevcairiel | way to go vendor lockin |
| 15:49.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDUQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clear.com%2Fspot%2Fispot&ei=CnVhTMJKwvrwBqyY_NcJ&usg=AFQjCNHVquDcsFNCyjYiRyRuhGjTUiaNZw&sig2=MTD0iXIs1y3wwm8kLklzkA |
| 15:49.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | its locked by mac address |
| 15:50.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | so, just change the mac on your laptop and go |
| 15:50.12 | Wobin | ironic, that that link resolves to: http://www.clear.com/spot/ispot |
| 15:50.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | i didnt click it |
| 15:50.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | i just connected my laptop to the thing |
| 15:50.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | it worked |
| 15:50.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | cant beat that |
| 15:52.10 | laeg | Legorol, Stanzilla: /equipset bs and /equipset ds, both definite complete outfits, one with dps weapon and the other with shield both work fine out of combat, as soon as i enter combat, and press either once it will switch weapon but then tries to put everything in my bags and tells me inventory is full so i'm fighting naked? i thought it might have been outfitter interfering but i've disabled that, any ideas? |
| 15:52.35 | Fisker | oh |
| 15:52.45 | Fisker | so basically it's just something that is enabled by default in any decent phone |
| 15:52.51 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 15:53.08 | nevcairiel | at least its a 4g thing |
| 15:53.13 | durcyn | just /use <name of the effing item> then /cast shield slam, quit overcomplicating shit |
| 15:53.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | whatever fisker |
| 15:54.25 | Stanzilla | ./equipslot [equipped:two-hand] 17 NameofShield |
| 15:54.25 | Stanzilla | ./cast [stance:1] Defensive Stance; Shield Bash |
| 15:54.30 | Stanzilla | something like that? |
| 15:55.47 | laeg | Stanzilla: needs to be incorporated into: |
| 15:56.09 | laeg | #showtooltip |
| 15:56.09 | laeg | /start attack |
| 15:56.09 | laeg | /equipset [stance:1, mod:alt] bs; ds |
| 15:56.21 | laeg | ./cast [stance:1, mod:alt] Hamstring; [stance:2, mod:alt] Disarm; Shield Bash |
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| 15:56.53 | durcyn | in the time it's taken you to rationalize needing this retarded macro, you could've levelled to the point where you just get pummel anyway, ffs |
| 15:56.55 | laeg | Stanzilla: no stance dancing required, works in both stances |
| 15:57.16 | laeg | durcyn: no, that's a fallacy |
| 15:57.40 | Wobin | what level is pummel? |
| 15:58.01 | laeg | 38 |
| 15:58.14 | laeg | i'm level 12 |
| 15:58.38 | Wobin | true, 26 levels in an hour 20 is a bit much |
| 15:59.22 | Ackis | Fisker: have you seen my balls around? |
| 15:59.35 | laeg | Wobin: quite |
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| 16:01.34 | Fisker | you have no balls Ackis |
| 16:02.06 | Ackis | :( |
| 16:06.10 | Ackis | https://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/funny-animated-gifs-surprise.gif |
| 16:06.13 | Ackis | nicoli_s: ^ |
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| 16:07.16 | Fisker | i will kill you Ackis |
| 16:07.18 | Fisker | for free |
| 16:07.42 | mitchnull | cats are lame |
| 16:07.53 | Fisker | you are now hated with the internet |
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| 16:14.29 | Lunessa | station. |
| 16:14.40 | Lunessa | you are now neutral with lolcats. |
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| 16:19.39 | Wobin | no no.. you -is- now neutral with lolcats |
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| 16:21.13 | Lunessa | U R nao neutral |
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| 16:36.46 | Legorol | ehm.. serious bug with achi system in SC2: each time i complete the Whispers of Doom mission, I get credit for having completed an additional 6 missions on Hard and 3 missions on Brutal |
| 16:37.05 | Legorol | i had a save just 30 seconds away from the end, because i was trying something out |
| 16:37.16 | Legorol | each time i reload the save, complete mission, bam i get more credit |
| 16:38.04 | Legorol | so now i already have Wings of Liberty: Brutal 10. it's messed up for sure |
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| 16:38.55 | nicoli_s | weird |
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| 16:56.01 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, these are so hilarious: http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/08/tiger-oil-memos.html |
| 16:56.21 | NightHawkTheSane | it's like a caricature of all the things that are wrong with american businesses. |
| 16:58.00 | Shirik_ | cog|work: nicoli_s I win at C# |
| 16:58.45 | Shirik_ | I just created a query that uses a lambda expression that uses a lambda block |
| 16:59.20 | Shirik_ | oh and that lambda block uses a lambda expression |
| 16:59.36 | Shirik_ | I want to see the MSIL for this |
| 16:59.45 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:59.48 | Fisker | i win at C# |
| 16:59.52 | Shirik_ | no |
| 16:59.57 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:00.05 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:00.40 | Shirik_ | my name is not Shirik |
| 17:00.48 | Fisker | an investigation into your account reveals a hacker logined at ip range a, and since a lot of hackers come from ip range b, we have decided to ban ip range c, if you do not reply we will take your account |
| 17:00.52 | Fisker | k? |
| 17:00.55 | nevcairiel | I wonder how many people will eventually hate Shirik_ for having to maintain his overly complex code afterwards |
| 17:01.05 | Shirik_ | nevcairiel: At least it's commented! |
| 17:01.24 | Shirik_ | for what it's worth, the alternative would be many many nested loops |
| 17:01.29 | Shirik_ | LINQ makes it a lot more readable |
| 17:02.04 | nevcairiel | I would question the design if the only solution is so weird =P |
| 17:02.20 | Shirik_ | it's just a plugin, blame the creators of the app |
| 17:02.28 | Shirik_ | I won't disagree the app is poorly structured |
| 17:02.36 | Shirik_ | but we have no control over that |
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| 17:04.07 | cloudwolf | lookin like i can't play my main lol |
| 17:04.10 | cloudwolf | on beta any way |
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| 17:10.50 | cloudwolf | damn critical errors in side of deepholm.... "this application has encoutnered ac ritical error: error #132 (0x85100084) fatal exception program: c:\progfiles\wowbeta\wow.exe exception: 0xc0000005 {access_violation) at 001b:0075c019 memory at some location coudln't be read press ok to terminate" |
| 17:10.52 | cloudwolf | lol... |
| 17:16.12 | cloudwolf | yay for deepholm being severely unstable |
| 17:17.27 | nevcairiel | lower your view distance,sometimes helps :p |
| 17:21.27 | cloudwolf | tobad i crash within about 30 seconds of logging into my main :P |
| 17:22.07 | Lunessa | cloudwolf: You can set the view distance in the config.wtf file as a workaround. |
| 17:23.39 | cloudwolf | but that takes work :P j/k |
| 17:24.09 | nevcairiel | or in the options that you can access from the login screen |
| 17:24.15 | nevcairiel | facepalms |
| 17:24.27 | cloudwolf | :P |
| 17:24.55 | cloudwolf | Uhm... yay my discipline low levle priest lost penance... |
| 17:29.46 | Duman | hmm |
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| 17:34.37 | Cide | hi |
| 17:35.04 | mitchnull | ok, is there any HUD addon that doesn't suck? (code-wise) |
| 17:36.45 | NightHawkTheSane | nope |
| 17:39.23 | mitchnull | :( |
| 17:39.28 | Cide | they all suck because all addon authors suck |
| 17:39.46 | mitchnull | DHUD3 seems promising at first glance (apart from the stupid dogtag thing) |
| 17:42.36 | ZorbaTHut | mitchnull, you can replace "any hud addon" with "anything" and the answer is still no |
| 17:42.37 | ZorbaTHut | all code sucks |
| 17:42.44 | mitchnull | no wai |
| 17:43.01 | mitchnull | ok, I'll settle for code that doesn't suck _much_ |
| 17:43.11 | mitchnull | but most really do suck hard :( |
| 17:43.20 | ZorbaTHut | in that case, the answer is "mine", but only if the person saying "mine" isn't a very experienced programmer. |
| 17:43.32 | ZorbaTHut | ("mine" is relative, note, based on the person looking at the code) |
| 17:43.38 | Cide | why do you care about how the code looks? |
| 17:44.35 | mitchnull | 'cos I hate global pollution? and that PowerAuras (to pick a random one) eats CPU like no tomorrow even though I haven't even configured anyhing in it to watch for? |
| 17:44.37 | mitchnull | stuff like that |
| 17:44.59 | Dagmar | How exactly is it supposedly doing that? |
| 17:45.00 | Lunessa | http://thechive.com/2010/08/10/girl-quits-her-job-on-dry-erase-board-emails-entire-office-33-photos/ |
| 17:45.03 | ZorbaTHut | well, now you're looking at a bunch of different definitions of "suck" |
| 17:45.03 | Cide | global pollution is the biggest joke ever |
| 17:45.07 | mitchnull | (and my box is a 7+ year old garbage...) |
| 17:45.16 | Cide | who the fuck cares about global pollution |
| 17:45.18 | ZorbaTHut | but honestly global pollution, from everything I've seen, is a bit of a non-issue. |
| 17:45.19 | mitchnull | cide: not until you get a conflict... |
| 17:45.20 | ZorbaTHut | it's like RAM usage |
| 17:45.25 | ZorbaTHut | oh no this UI mod is using 2 megs of RAM |
| 17:45.32 | ZorbaTHut | that means it's half as good as one that uses 1 meg of RAM |
| 17:45.34 | Cide | mitchnull, have you ever experienced one? |
| 17:45.37 | Cide | because I haven't |
| 17:45.41 | ZorbaTHut | cide, I have, actually! |
| 17:45.44 | Cide | and if you have it's because the addon was FUCKING STUPID |
| 17:45.47 | Cide | or it was a bug |
| 17:45.47 | mitchnull | me too |
| 17:45.59 | ZorbaTHut | QH and some Death Knight addon both had a bug where they weren't declaring a variable local |
| 17:46.01 | Cide | with any variable name besides "print", "i", "j", "k", "tbl", "table"? |
| 17:46.14 | ZorbaTHut | if you were running both at once, kaboom |
| 17:46.24 | ZorbaTHut | (obviously I fixed it on my end once it was reported, and so did the other dude) |
| 17:46.25 | Cide | did I mention the variable name above, ZorbaTHut? |
| 17:46.30 | mitchnull | zorba: i have no issues with addon taking 2 megs if itl's like tourguide or some other mostly db stuff. but if it's a simple threat meter, then I take notice... |
| 17:46.36 | ZorbaTHut | I think it was "timex" or something a bit surprising |
| 17:46.43 | Cide | that's just a bug then |
| 17:46.46 | Cide | that's not global pollution |
| 17:46.48 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it was absolutely a bug on both ends |
| 17:46.58 | Cide | global pollution is a joke of an issue |
| 17:47.15 | ZorbaTHut | I suppose there's theoretically a problem if the global table runs out of entries |
| 17:47.21 | ZorbaTHut | but that would be a hell of a lot of global pollution |
| 17:47.23 | Cide | yeah right |
| 17:47.27 | Cide | and obviously some addons are poorly coded CPU-wise |
| 17:47.32 | mitchnull | anyway, I'll just hack dogtag out of DHUD3 and see if it fits |
| 17:47.34 | Cide | that's easily measured with a profiler |
| 17:47.36 | Kaso | Cide, "string" is another bad name to accidently use |
| 17:47.45 | Cide | those are just bugs though |
| 17:47.49 | ZorbaTHut | I actually disagree with that statement, there's no good profiler in WoW :( |
| 17:47.56 | Cide | sure there is |
| 17:47.57 | Lunessa | lol. simple threat meter. Define "simple." |
| 17:48.05 | Cide | you can measure cpu usage by addon with a simple function call |
| 17:48.07 | Niv | wtf? |
| 17:48.09 | Niv | er |
| 17:48.22 | mitchnull | lunessa: shows my threat as reported by the api as a percentage :) |
| 17:48.34 | Cide | of course there's no "real" debugger if you're used to the tools compiled languages give you |
| 17:48.47 | Dagmar | Whassit say on Curse about that IIRC? Oh yes, prefix your globals with the name of your addon to avoid collisions |
| 17:48.48 | ZorbaTHut | cpu usage by addon doesn't really tell you where the CPU is being used, though. that's a *very* coarse profiler |
| 17:48.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: it's an issue as far as one of the reasons why you do things like use local vars, etc, such that for a very inexperienced developer it's an issue, but for anyone of reasonably skill/intelligence it's just a "yes i know" situation. |
| 17:49.05 | ZorbaTHut | also, does that even work if the profiler support in WoW is turned off? because that profiler horribly biases the results, it's nowhere near accurate |
| 17:49.08 | Cide | ZorbaTHut, right, but if he wants to know how much an addon sucks that's perfectly fine |
| 17:49.08 | mitchnull | cide: unfortunately cpu usage is almost always reported wrong due to libs |
| 17:49.18 | Cide | almost never unless you use ace |
| 17:49.21 | Lunessa | And that means graphics, status bars, warnings, etc. All of which take memory, cpu, etc. |
| 17:49.22 | Cide | OH SNAP |
| 17:49.38 | Cide | ZorbaTHut, it's accurate enough |
| 17:49.51 | mitchnull | "unless you use ace"? come on... 80% of my addons use ace... |
| 17:49.53 | ZorbaTHut | with my UI mod history, I disagree ;) |
| 17:50.09 | Cide | mitchnull, well maybe you should get rid of that crap then |
| 17:50.16 | Cide | you seem picky enough |
| 17:50.24 | mitchnull | I got rid of Ace2 :) |
| 17:50.37 | mitchnull | I don't really have issues with Ace3 as of now |
| 17:50.43 | Cide | I just gave you one |
| 17:51.01 | mitchnull | erm |
| 17:51.03 | Cide | are you not concerned about all that cpu overhead those libraries give you? |
| 17:51.12 | mitchnull | no |
| 17:51.19 | Cide | but your computer is *6 years old* |
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| 17:51.24 | Cide | maybe you shold be |
| 17:51.25 | Cide | should |
| 17:51.54 | mitchnull | using libs won't give you cpu overhead |
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| 17:52.00 | Cide | that's where you're wrong |
| 17:52.05 | ZorbaTHut | it can, actually |
| 17:52.08 | mitchnull | won't be able to profile accurately, but that's a different story |
| 17:52.14 | Cide | libraries save you development time and memory usage |
| 17:52.20 | mitchnull | zorba: it _can_ but it doesn't necessarily _do_ |
| 17:52.30 | Cide | but reduced memory usage means increased cpu usage, all other things equal |
| 17:53.22 | mitchnull | cide: apart from (maybe) increased startup time, using libs doesn't incur any necessary added cpu usage |
| 17:53.28 | Cide | yes, they do |
| 17:53.37 | mitchnull | explain then |
| 17:53.42 | Cide | you get a lot more overhead from function calls because of the extra redirection, for instance |
| 17:53.48 | ZorbaTHut | honestly though the amount of CPU you lose is negligable |
| 17:53.49 | mitchnull | how does lib:method() differ from self:method() ? |
| 17:54.17 | ZorbaTHut | I mean I was doing full ant routing in realtime across a few hundred nodes, getting a dozen steps per second |
| 17:54.28 | Cide | yes, it's definitely negligible |
| 17:54.29 | ZorbaTHut | people drastically underestimate how fast even WoW Lua is. |
| 17:54.38 | Cide | it's a ridiculous argument in general |
| 17:54.40 | Cide | I'm just being anal about it |
| 17:54.43 | Cide | it *does* incur overhead |
| 17:54.54 | ZorbaTHut | the number of pointless micro-optimizations in the WoW UI mod community is absolutely ridiculous. |
| 17:54.58 | mitchnull | cide: then please answer my above question :) |
| 17:54.59 | Cide | yep |
| 17:55.56 | Cide | mitchnull, it's not local to your file so you have to perform a global lookup to save a local copy in the first place, it's in a different chunk, it has to store everything in addon-specific tables because it's usable by several addons, it cannot have upvalues to your locals for speedier access |
| 17:56.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: yeah, i more or less gave up particuarly caring about hugely optimizing my code when i realized I couldn't actually tell if it was going faster. :P |
| 17:56.11 | Cide | self:method() vs lib:method() is not where the overhead occurs |
| 17:56.34 | Cide | it's in the lack of optimizations you could perform in your own code versus what optimizations libraries absolutely cannot perform |
| 17:56.42 | Cide | because libraries need to work for all use cases, not only yours |
| 17:56.58 | mitchnull | cide: as I said, startup time increase dosn't count (it's negligible anyway, come on, one global lookup per lib? for like 10 libs (and then you used a lot...)) |
| 17:57.09 | Cide | I gave you at least 10 different reasons |
| 17:57.15 | Cide | pick one of the other ones and counter it |
| 17:57.19 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, I had someone tell me that when he used the "local tinsert = table.insert" trick in QH's tightest loops, it increased his framerate by 30% |
| 17:57.39 | mitchnull | cide: those things _can_ make libs "slower" but it's still not true that _all_ lib usage is necessarily slower |
| 17:57.44 | Cide | yes it is |
| 17:57.46 | ZorbaTHut | the problem is that QH clamps itself to use exactly 7.5% of the system's runtime |
| 17:57.50 | Cide | it is true |
| 17:57.57 | mitchnull | cide: no |
| 17:57.59 | Cide | yes it is |
| 17:58.01 | Dagmar | Hey now. They're not pointless. They're just not-wasteful |
| 17:58.03 | Cide | can someone else explain this for him? |
| 17:58.06 | ZorbaTHut | if it starts "running faster", it still uses 7.5% of the system's runtime - it's got a little cooperative multitasker built-in. |
| 17:58.08 | Cide | s/for/to/ |
| 17:58.33 | Cide | consider this mitchnull |
| 17:58.37 | batrick | oh boy optimization arguments |
| 17:58.40 | batrick | i'm late to the party |
| 17:58.41 | ZorbaTHut | the only way to detect whether something is an optimization or not is to turn some debug output on and track how much data it's processing, the framerate stays completely solid. And even if he somehow broke QH to the point where it was doing nothing, it could never increase the framerate more than 7.5%. |
| 17:58.43 | Cide | aye |
| 17:58.51 | Cide | I gave you several reasons for why there are inherent overhead with using libraries |
| 17:58.56 | Cide | it's *negligible* in lua |
| 17:59.06 | ZorbaTHut | cide, in fairness, libs can also be faster, by doing stuff in a more difficult but more efficient manner |
| 17:59.14 | Cide | I'm getting to that |
| 17:59.15 | ZorbaTHut | one that the coder wouldn't have bothered with on their own, but the lib does. |
| 17:59.21 | Ackis | http://www.bite.ca/bitedaily/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/FINALgeekGALAXY21.jpg |
| 17:59.22 | Cide | and it can be offset by the programmer implementing his own local version of the library in a fucking stupid way |
| 17:59.24 | Ackis | that is win |
| 17:59.31 | mitchnull | cide: can't you think of libs that don't use addon specific tables and/or have no need for upvalues? |
| 17:59.34 | Cide | but all other things being equal libraries have *inherent overhead* that cannot be overcome |
| 17:59.51 | mitchnull | still lies |
| 17:59.53 | Cide | mitchnull, if you need a library to print to chat you're doing things wrong |
| 18:00.00 | Cide | you use libraries for complex stuff |
| 18:00.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: i need a library to tell me what libraries i need to do mundane stuff. |
| 18:00.12 | mitchnull | (apart from your "different chunks" argument, which I don't fully understand) |
| 18:00.19 | Cide | go learn some computer science and come back |
| 18:00.25 | mitchnull | ohhohhoh |
| 18:00.33 | Cide | libraries are an extremely good thing |
| 18:00.34 | mitchnull | I love this |
| 18:00.38 | mitchnull | nevermind |
| 18:00.42 | Cide | but acting like they don't have overhead is retarded |
| 18:00.57 | mitchnull | they don't _necessarily_ have overhead. |
| 18:00.58 | NightHawkTheSane | the key word here would be opportunity-cost? |
| 18:01.17 | Cide | if they implement a function print(...) [stuff] end they may not have overhead no |
| 18:01.18 | mitchnull | but anyway, when you come down to "learn some CS" arguments, I give up the argument. sorry |
| 18:01.27 | Cide | <mitchnull> they don't _necessarily_ have overhead. |
| 18:01.34 | Cide | external code does *necessarily* have overhead |
| 18:01.35 | Cide | that's fact |
| 18:01.45 | Dagmar | NHTS: *kof*twowords*kof* |
| 18:01.47 | Cide | when you come down to that argument, I give up the argument and resort to telling you to learn CS |
| 18:01.50 | ZorbaTHut | cide, actually, that's not fact |
| 18:01.55 | batrick | my main problem with everything said is that people still do that "lib:method()" crap |
| 18:01.56 | Cide | it pretty much is |
| 18:02.00 | ZorbaTHut | a good linker can theoretically inline stuff so it's just as fast as it would be if it wasn't in a library |
| 18:02.13 | Cide | yes, but then it's not really a library is it |
| 18:02.22 | ZorbaTHut | a language like Lua can do so easily, though that's mostly because everything else is just as slow as if it were in a library |
| 18:02.23 | Dagmar | The speed difference there is not world-shattering |
| 18:02.23 | mitchnull | cide: just for the record: I have a masters in CS and a professional programmer for 15+ years... |
| 18:02.23 | ZorbaTHut | of course it is |
| 18:02.28 | Cide | then you're absorbing code into your own that someone else wrote |
| 18:02.32 | ZorbaTHut | a library is about how you get the code, not about the mineutae of how a linker works |
| 18:02.39 | Cide | arguable |
| 18:02.44 | ZorbaTHut | are you saying that something becomes "not a library" based on your flags to "ld"? |
| 18:02.46 | Cide | mitchnull, ok, good |
| 18:02.49 | batrick | man my bait failed |
| 18:02.51 | Dagmar | Generally that 3-8% shared lib penalty is closer to 3 than 8, and that's not even much |
| 18:02.53 | batrick | damn you Cide |
| 18:02.56 | Cide | :) |
| 18:03.08 | Cide | ZorbaTHut, nah, I suppose you're right |
| 18:03.23 | Cide | that's kind of sidestepping the issue I'm trying to bring to light though |
| 18:03.51 | Cide | so yes, if you manage to inline ace into your library I suppose it could in theory be as efficient as writing your own |
| 18:03.55 | Cide | into your addon* |
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| 18:04.47 | ZorbaTHut | I'm unclear about why a Lua library would actually be slower than, say, a module in the same UI mod in a different file |
| 18:04.50 | batrick | unless the library is designed to handle conditinos you don't need :) |
| 18:04.55 | Ackis | Shirik: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/wikipedia-lamest-edit-wars/ |
| 18:05.06 | ZorbaTHut | in the former case you have a global lookup for a function call, in the latter case you have a global lookup for a function call |
| 18:05.07 | Ackis | you involved in any of those? :P |
| 18:05.12 | ZorbaTHut | there's no added overhead by going cross-UI-mod |
| 18:05.24 | Cide | ZorbaTHut, there's not |
| 18:05.37 | Cide | it all ends up in the same global table after all |
| 18:05.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: in that case you could argue that the external file is as much a library |
| 18:05.58 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, I believe it comes down to semantics, not implementation |
| 18:06.11 | ZorbaTHut | if it's intended to be separated out and used by multiple people as a tool for making other mods, it's a library. |
| 18:06.25 | ZorbaTHut | if it's intended to be distributed as an inseparable part of a larger mod, it's part of that mod. |
| 18:06.37 | Cide | and by that definition it cannot integrate as well into your internals as a hand-rolled solution could |
| 18:06.39 | mikma | industrial: http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=70668&o=s |
| 18:07.02 | ZorbaTHut | cide, I don't see why not. just because it's not easily separable doesn't mean it's actually interfacing in a better manner. |
| 18:07.12 | Cide | it can't access your locals |
| 18:07.18 | ZorbaTHut | if anything, a good library could integrate better, by virtue of having a more carefully-designed interface. |
| 18:07.21 | ZorbaTHut | so? |
| 18:07.27 | Cide | and so any interfacing it does is slower |
| 18:07.41 | ZorbaTHut | that's only true if the alternative interfaces with locals |
| 18:07.50 | ZorbaTHut | I certainly avoided that in QH, that way lies the hell of spaghetti code |
| 18:07.55 | Cide | that's what I'm trying to say |
| 18:08.21 | Cide | you lose out on the ability to perform several optimizations if you use a third-party library |
| 18:08.29 | ZorbaTHut | QH is really divided into a bunch of different communicating modules. there's no intention to make them separable, but there are certainly lines along which QH could be divided into half a dozen libraries if I felt like it. |
| 18:09.00 | cbreak | people still have problems to do quests? |
| 18:09.04 | Cide | of course it can be *as fast* if the hand-rolled solution is provided in a separate file etc |
| 18:09.13 | Cide | but then you're not making use of such optimizations |
| 18:09.14 | ZorbaTHut | true, but that assumes you would have made those optimizations in the first place. the question isn't whether libraries can be as theoretically efficient as a tightly-written wad of unmaintainable code, it's whether libraries generally are faster or slower |
| 18:09.19 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not convinced, in any sense, that they are generally slower. |
| 18:09.57 | fiphi | Can anyone link the really big thread in the forums about the real ID changE? |
| 18:10.02 | Cide | they're not generally slower in the sense that the alternative is in a separate file and not tightly written |
| 18:10.28 | Cide | but then you're kind of arguing that something is as efficient as an in every way equivalent solution, which is a given |
| 18:11.02 | Cide | your argument is not necessarily true in other languages though ZorbaTHut |
| 18:11.20 | Cide | where more lower-level optimizations come into play |
| 18:11.46 | Cide | unless you manage to inline it like you said, but then you can get other performance issues (what library is entirely inline-able?) |
| 18:12.11 | cbreak | template based C++ stl containers? |
| 18:12.12 | ZorbaTHut | boost :D |
| 18:12.21 | cbreak | or boost... :) |
| 18:12.37 | Cide | yeah, possibly |
| 18:12.51 | ZorbaTHut | personally I'm eagerly awaiting C++ JITs |
| 18:13.00 | mitchnull | llvm? |
| 18:13.07 | ZorbaTHut | mitch, with bated breath. |
| 18:13.20 | cbreak | llvm is compile time |
| 18:13.36 | mitchnull | nope. as in, not _necessarily_ :) |
| 18:13.36 | ZorbaTHut | llvm's got a JIT |
| 18:13.49 | ZorbaTHut | it's optional, but it exists. |
| 18:14.03 | mitchnull | anyway, clang seems super cool as is now, and it'll just get better |
| 18:14.09 | cbreak | I've only seen that used for Apple's OpenGL shader and OpenCL implementation |
| 18:14.12 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I can't wait until I can switch over to it |
| 18:14.24 | cbreak | and I am not convinced that it's really JIT |
| 18:14.35 | mitchnull | there's a branch of freebsd that builds its base with it |
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| 18:14.48 | mitchnull | cbreak: read up on it maybe? |
| 18:14.49 | ZorbaTHut | as I understand, it's a rather minimal JIT, but it is a JIT and there's no reason it couldn't be extended in the future |
| 18:15.01 | cbreak | I use clang for all my Objective-C stuff, but that's obviously compile time LLVM |
| 18:15.55 | mikma | ackis: good job on fixing the levels in wowtal.com |
| 18:17.17 | mitchnull | :( opera just told me that it thinks my 2Mbit connection is slow and I should consider turning on turbo |
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| 18:22.24 | cbreak | turning on turbo? |
| 18:23.08 | mitchnull | yeah, opera turbo. http accelerator |
| 18:23.17 | cbreak | how's that supposed to work? |
| 18:23.33 | mitchnull | html is preprocessed/compressed on some opera server |
| 18:23.42 | augustl | same as opera mini? |
| 18:23.46 | augustl | it borks websites :S |
| 18:23.49 | mitchnull | no |
| 18:24.00 | mitchnull | opera mini is pre-rendered simplified markup |
| 18:24.10 | cbreak | oh, lots of browsers support compressed HTML as content for HTTP |
| 18:24.19 | augustl | gzip you mean? |
| 18:24.26 | cbreak | depends on the browser |
| 18:24.36 | cbreak | they send some accept headers |
| 18:24.40 | mitchnull | cbreak: to be honest, I don't really know what exactly opera turbo does, as I never used it and not really interested in it |
| 18:25.04 | mitchnull | I don't want to route my http traffic thru them ;) |
| 18:25.22 | cbreak | I don't see how adding more hops would improve anything |
| 18:25.32 | cbreak | and adding an MitM attacker is certainly not a good idea |
| 18:27.04 | mitchnull | yeah, they're all outta get me. that's why I use gopher for all of my serious browsing |
| 18:27.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 18:27.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | gopher holes |
| 18:34.50 | augustl | one day I will understand what gopher is |
| 18:35.21 | cbreak | that day is 20 years ago or so |
| 18:35.41 | Lunessa | augustl: Don't bother. 1970s tech is irrelevant now. |
| 18:36.15 | Lunessa | Nearly everything that was on gopher servers is now available over http somewhere. |
| 18:36.34 | cbreak | "The original Gopher system was released in late spring of 1991 ..." |
| 18:36.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | i remember gopher fondly. SLIPped in via my 9600 baud modem |
| 18:37.38 | Lunessa | cbreak: Based on really old tech. like really, really old crap. :P |
| 18:37.50 | cbreak | like TCP/IP? :) |
| 18:38.30 | cbreak | (which is dieing at the moment in it's v4 incarnation) |
| 18:38.31 | Lunessa | *nod* you make a fine point sir. |
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| 18:39.58 | mitchnull | whereas it should be at v6 since about 3 years now ;) |
| 18:39.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | theres a guy in my office that says ipv6 will never take off |
| 18:40.00 | cbreak | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/august/leaders.jpg, nice. |
| 18:40.09 | cbreak | Deahtwing reminds me of frankenstein |
| 18:40.14 | mitchnull | cbreak: not another cat, right? |
| 18:40.44 | cbreak | ipv6 will take off. eventually. because there's no other way that works sustainable. |
| 18:41.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | he thinks NAT is good enough |
| 18:41.12 | mitchnull | ipv6 will take off because of china and mobile phones |
| 18:41.18 | cbreak | but it will take years for ipv4 to die out. I bet some IE6 running corporate virus breeding pools will use ipv4 behind their routers in tens of years |
| 18:41.20 | mitchnull | NAT was never good enough |
| 18:41.46 | Fisker | kills mitchnull... for free |
| 18:41.48 | durcyn | NAT makes me weep into my pillow at night |
| 18:42.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | i wonder what my ispot uses |
| 18:42.27 | mitchnull | fisker: you should be busy advocating my addons instead of killing me left and right |
| 18:42.50 | Dagmar | You guys have deranged ideas about networking if NAT is a problem |
| 18:43.00 | Fisker | i'm doing both actually |
| 18:43.10 | Cide | sylvanas finally looks like a windrunner |
| 18:43.13 | Fisker | many artists don't become famous until they die |
| 18:43.20 | Cide | or an archer like in wc3 rather |
| 18:43.20 | Dagmar | Perhaps you were expecting it to do the job of DNAT? |
| 18:43.24 | Fisker | what do you mean Cide ? |
| 18:43.39 | Cide | I mean sylvanas windrunner looks like she should finally |
| 18:43.46 | cbreak | No Mister Bond, I expect you to Die! |
| 18:43.47 | Cide | what do you mean Fisker? |
| 18:43.51 | Fisker | what do you mean Cide ? |
| 18:44.07 | Fisker | Since Sylvanas was changed ??? years ago |
| 18:44.16 | Cide | so did your mom |
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| 18:44.32 | Fisker | oh |
| 18:44.35 | Fisker | madcuzbad i see |
| 18:44.38 | Cide | New model as of WotLK beta build 8982 |
| 18:44.45 | Cide | that's not so long ago! |
| 18:44.45 | cbreak | Cide: this wind guy? http://mycheats.1up.com/view/imageraw/19169/zelda_wallpaper.jpg |
| 18:44.52 | Cide | yep |
| 18:44.54 | Cide | that's the one |
| 18:45.04 | Fisker | Still ??? years ago |
| 18:45.17 | Cide | I played alliance in wrath, stop hating |
| 18:45.19 | mitchnull | cbreak: how the fsck do you find crap like that? :) |
| 18:45.27 | Cide | crap? |
| 18:45.29 | cbreak | those females all seem very fragile. One blow and their torso breaks off their hipps. |
| 18:45.31 | Cide | you're calling wind waker crap |
| 18:45.35 | Cide | !!! |
| 18:45.36 | Fisker | You see her in Battle for the undercity |
| 18:45.38 | Fisker | no excuse |
| 18:45.43 | cbreak | mitchnull: the allmighty google :) |
| 18:45.45 | Cide | the whole sail and find 15 things in the ocean part was pretty crap though |
| 18:45.54 | Cide | Fisker, I guess I never noticed |
| 18:45.58 | Cide | she went down so fast |
| 18:46.07 | mitchnull | cbreak: ok, but what makes you _search_ for crap like this? :) |
| 18:46.10 | Cide | and we return to your mom |
| 18:46.12 | Cide | ohhh |
| 18:46.18 | cbreak | it's all cide's fault |
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| 18:46.52 | mitchnull | meh, I'll just go and rip dogtag out of dhud3 |
| 18:47.32 | cbreak | the leader of the gnomes, the worgen and some other species I can't recall right now are missing from that picture. |
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| 18:48.29 | Dagmar | Magram Clan. |
| 18:48.34 | Dagmar | They're major players now. |
| 18:49.27 | cbreak | hmm, maybe. I flew over the new desolance once, somehow there's a gigantic tree in there. |
| 18:50.00 | mitchnull | trees are cool |
| 18:50.13 | mitchnull | (whereas cats are lame) |
| 18:50.39 | Dagmar | cbreak: Damn monsanto |
| 18:51.00 | augustl | the matchmaking in sc2 is kind of strange. Some times I get uberpwnd, some times i uberpwn |
| 18:51.02 | cbreak | monsanto is one of the few corps I like less than microsoft... |
| 18:51.06 | cbreak | they are true evil |
| 18:51.12 | augustl | it's seldom even |
| 18:51.32 | cbreak | augustl: you have to play like me: super passive. |
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| 18:51.39 | cbreak | either it's an eternal match, or you lose |
| 18:51.45 | augustl | no I'm very agressive actually |
| 18:52.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | didnt monsanto make LSD |
| 18:53.08 | cbreak | all those genetical engineering/chemistry corps are evil |
| 18:53.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | sandoz |
| 18:53.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | nvm |
| 18:54.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol try googling monsanto, see what the first suggestion is in the search terms |
| 18:56.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://i34.tinypic.com/doknt4.jpg |
| 18:57.09 | cbreak | all hail the oracle of google! |
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| 19:02.21 | myrkraverk | Hello. |
| 19:02.35 | myrkraverk | There is no way to call my own named functions with in _onstate-foo snippets, is there? |
| 19:03.14 | nevcairiel | only with some extra work, and you cant get any return values |
| 19:04.39 | myrkraverk | How much is the extra work? |
| 19:05.39 | myrkraverk | I'd like to have the snippet in a named "secure" function of my own, if possible. |
| 19:05.57 | nevcairiel | well that works |
| 19:06.03 | nevcairiel | you can surely cast other secure snippets |
| 19:06.07 | nevcairiel | there is an api for that |
| 19:06.11 | nevcairiel | read iriels guide =P |
| 19:06.23 | nevcairiel | s/cast/call/ |
| 19:07.26 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:09.38 | myrkraverk | I don't see anything relevant at iriel.org |
| 19:09.54 | myrkraverk | Is that what you were referring to? |
| 19:10.40 | myrkraverk | oh, yes a pdf found it (now how would I read it? ) |
| 19:10.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | iriel has iriel.org? |
| 19:11.05 | Cide | yep |
| 19:11.19 | Cide | you don't know how to read pdf's? |
| 19:11.25 | Cide | google it |
| 19:12.20 | NightHawkTheSane | blinks |
| 19:12.32 | NightHawkTheSane | did someone seriously just ask how to read a pdf? |
| 19:12.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | ducks |
| 19:13.34 | Fisker | all you need to do is use your eyes |
| 19:14.20 | myrkraverk | Erm, I wasn't sure if my OS came with a viewer - I'm using vista linux |
| 19:14.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | use the force |
| 19:14.34 | Cide | vista linux? |
| 19:14.37 | Cide | I'm getting trolled |
| 19:14.39 | Cide | I feel it |
| 19:14.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | Cide: where is the any key? |
| 19:15.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | can't find it |
| 19:15.25 | Cide | here, there, everywhere... |
| 19:15.48 | myrkraverk | vista linux = ubuntu (a term my friend uses - I wouldn't know) |
| 19:16.12 | Fisker | ah then i get it |
| 19:16.14 | Cide | pretty sure ubuntu comes with a pdf reader |
| 19:16.19 | Fisker | Because vista is shitty, so linux is too |
| 19:16.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | windows 7 was my idea |
| 19:16.59 | NightHawkTheSane | lunch was my idea. |
| 19:17.04 | NightHawkTheSane | it turned out well, i think. |
| 19:17.32 | Cide | it did |
| 19:17.35 | Cide | well done, NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:17.42 | Arrowmaster | i hope this article gets updated when the guys boss finds out http://thechive.com/2010/08/10/girl-quits-her-job-on-dry-erase-board-emails-entire-office-33-photos/ |
| 19:17.58 | Fisker | Just like windows 7 NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:19.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i suspect by this point he must have. |
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| 19:21.31 | Fisker | she is a poa though |
| 19:21.43 | *** part/#wowuidev wolfe_ (~wolfe@166.205.11.74) |
| 19:23.19 | Fisker | it's boring he didn't watch porn or something |
| 19:23.31 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i was kinda hoping for t hat. |
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| 19:26.44 | mikma | http://www.simonscat.com/purrfect_pitch.html |
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| 19:37.57 | Ackis | hey cog|work http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/08/new-solar-cell-uses-heat-to-beat-theoretical-limits.ars global warming == more energy! (or not :P) |
| 19:38.22 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:39.12 | CoRex | hey guys |
| 19:41.09 | CoRex | Is this the right place to ask for advice how to develop an addon if I am a noob? :) |
| 19:41.26 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:41.31 | Fisker | YOU |
| 19:41.34 | cog|work | CoRex: yep |
| 19:41.55 | Ackis | CoRex: just don't listen to Fisker |
| 19:41.58 | Ackis | (or me) |
| 19:42.05 | cog|work | depending on how much of a noob: |
| 19:42.06 | cog|work | ~pil |
| 19:42.07 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 19:42.09 | cog|work | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:42.10 | purl | i heard wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:42.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~pill |
| 19:42.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | damn |
| 19:42.37 | CoRex | lol, now comes all the commercials :D |
| 19:42.52 | NightHawkTheSane | no, those are just two extremely good resources. |
| 19:43.17 | Ackis | the second one is great at holding up a couch |
| 19:43.29 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 19:43.30 | nevcairiel | thats what my 2 extras do |
| 19:43.33 | Fisker | i'm killing you |
| 19:43.41 | Fisker | stab stab stab |
| 19:43.41 | Ackis | no u |
| 19:43.47 | myrkraverk | Within a secure snippet, I'd like to know if the units "target" and "arena1" are the same. What methods do I have to determine that? |
| 19:43.51 | Ackis | haters gonna hate |
| 19:44.05 | Ackis | Fisker's gonna fisk |
| 19:44.28 | nevcairiel | myrkraverk: either you have UnitIsUnit, or you don't :p |
| 19:44.34 | nevcairiel | read the manual, it should be in there :) |
| 19:46.19 | myrkraverk | I don't see UnitIsUnit in there. |
| 19:46.35 | myrkraverk | Nor the source, for that matter. |
| 19:46.43 | Ackis | flogs cog|work |
| 19:46.47 | Ackis | YOU ATHEIST |
| 19:46.52 | Ackis | *flog flog flog* |
| 19:46.52 | Lunessa | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitIsUnit |
| 19:47.14 | myrkraverk | Lunessa, within the restricted environment? |
| 19:47.16 | nevcairiel | You usually can't do much querying into the game world from the secure environment |
| 19:47.23 | nevcairiel | only pre-determined actions |
| 19:47.39 | Lunessa | myrkraverk: Look in restrected*.lua in your extracted UI |
| 19:47.59 | Lunessa | I don't know what's available in there, since I don't have it here at work. |
| 19:48.22 | myrkraverk | Ah, well I did, and did not find unitisunit - so I guess I can't do that easily. |
| 19:49.50 | myrkraverk | ponders. |
| 19:49.53 | Lunessa | Usually not. You're generally not allowed to compare units for targeting/casting decisions. |
| 19:50.18 | Lunessa | So, if you don't see it there, that's likely why. |
| 19:50.41 | myrkraverk | You mean targetting/casting decicions by me the player, or by the addon? |
| 19:50.50 | Lunessa | the addon. |
| 19:51.20 | Lunessa | If you use your eyes to compare, that's fine. Code generally can't for purposes of casting or taking a combat action. |
| 19:51.35 | Lunessa | UI not AI. |
| 19:51.52 | Lunessa | Or "Smart players, not smart buttons." |
| 19:52.17 | Cide | user intelligence! |
| 19:52.29 | Lunessa | Cide: Often a stretch... |
| 19:52.32 | myrkraverk | I see. What I want to do is provide a feedback on the arena enemy frame, which one I'm targetting. |
| 19:52.36 | Cide | indeed |
| 19:52.39 | NightHawkTheSane | often a contradiction in terms. |
| 19:52.45 | myrkraverk | Oh yes. |
| 19:53.32 | myrkraverk | I can't call SetParent within unsecure code, can I? |
| 19:53.45 | myrkraverk | On unit frames, that is (secure frames) |
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| 19:54.18 | CoRex | Guys, my problem is that I am trying to load a frame from within a lua-script. Can one of you push me in the right direction? |
| 19:55.23 | augustl | mafia 2 demo: meh |
| 19:56.24 | myrkraverk | Would UnitIsUnit within the restricted environment enable cheating of any kind? |
| 19:56.26 | Lunessa | CoRex: start here: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame & http://www.wowwiki.com/Frame |
| 19:56.42 | Lunessa | myrkraverk: Probably. |
| 19:56.44 | CoRex | very nice, thnx m8 |
| 19:57.02 | myrkraverk | Lunessa, Ok. |
| 19:59.41 | Fisker | slaps augustl around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:59.55 | Fisker | You know what i think is awesome? |
| 20:00.01 | Fisker | One-shot kills |
| 20:00.13 | Fisker | being near burning cars kills you |
| 20:00.31 | Fisker | Grazing a small fire kills you pretty much instantly |
| 20:01.54 | Fisker | http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/camera/PerformanceByCameraModel.png <- so that's why windows mobile sucks so much |
| 20:02.49 | olafski | mm windows phone |
| 20:02.58 | olafski | maybe when 7 hits I'll get a smart phone! |
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| 20:13.45 | Fisker | i cannot be stopped Ackis |
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| 20:20.13 | Dagmar | olafski: You don't want to do that |
| 20:20.17 | Fisker | Always bet on duke Dagmar |
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| 20:20.38 | Dagmar | Fisker: When's he releasing, exactly? |
| 20:21.55 | Fisker | 2011 |
| 20:25.52 | Dagmar | Hm.... Looks like Alaska is a series of frozen plane debris in tubes |
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| 20:39.49 | Shirik_ | how exactly do you measure "photo attractiveness" |
| 20:40.18 | Fisker | post it in annoying ads |
| 20:40.25 | Fisker | "Do you wish to bang this chick? Y/n" |
| 20:40.32 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 20:40.49 | Fisker | why can i buy a 1000 feet ethernet cable |
| 20:41.07 | Fisker | (yes it's an actual assembled cable, and not just a roll you can make x cables out of) |
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| 20:43.59 | nevcairiel | maybe you're blind and its fiber? |
| 20:44.58 | nevcairiel | well technically fiber is ethernet too =p |
| 20:45.24 | Fisker | no it's not |
| 20:45.43 | Fisker | It's a category 7 cable though |
| 20:45.58 | Fisker | but to my knowledge you would still need amplification to reach >100m anyway |
| 20:46.14 | nevcairiel | even with cat7 you cant go above 100m due to signal run time |
| 20:46.19 | Fisker | exactly |
| 20:46.22 | Fisker | that's why i'm O_o |
| 20:46.28 | Fisker | and it's like 300⬠|
| 20:46.33 | Fisker | so poor guy who ends up buying that |
| 20:46.55 | Fisker | like some guy who might want to run a lan with the dude from the next block |
| 20:46.56 | nevcairiel | maybe he was like, hey i have 300m cable, lets put some rj45 on it to make more money |
| 20:47.52 | Fisker | i'm just hoping it's some freakish typo and they meant 35m |
| 20:47.57 | Fisker | doesn't explain the price though |
| 20:48.22 | nevcairiel | 1â¬/m for cat7 is acceptable |
| 20:50.04 | Arrowmaster | 1000 feet is what you get in a box |
| 20:50.31 | Arrowmaster | and actually that price is high for a box of cable |
| 20:50.53 | Fisker | well they had to add the connectors too |
| 20:51.03 | Fisker | and assuming failure rates, that's a dangerous thing to do |
| 20:51.04 | Fisker | HOHO |
| 20:51.23 | Arrowmaster | what failure rates |
| 20:51.31 | Arrowmaster | or do you mean failure when testing |
| 20:51.34 | Fisker | i wouldn't know |
| 20:51.52 | Fisker | but wouldn't it be awesome if half the cables failed under production? |
| 20:51.58 | Fisker | That would suck when you make 1000 feet cables |
| 20:51.58 | Arrowmaster | anybody that can fail at doing any kind of network cable connector should find a new job |
| 20:52.20 | Arrowmaster | even fiber isnt that hard |
| 20:52.35 | Arrowmaster | and i fucking did it when you had to do it all manually with fucking sandpaper |
| 20:53.05 | Fisker | i once failed Arrowmaster |
| 20:53.06 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:53.14 | Fisker | technically anyway |
| 20:53.23 | Arrowmaster | not the fucking easy splice machines they have now that just align everything and fuse it together for you |
| 20:54.09 | Fisker | had to make these small 5-10cm cables and we made them in type A instead of typeB |
| 20:54.22 | Arrowmaster | nothing wrong with that |
| 20:54.25 | Fisker | and since they were so small you basically could make new ones anyway :( |
| 20:54.47 | Fisker | well yeah the cables still worked :P |
| 20:54.57 | Fisker | but they were just useless since they used type b |
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| 20:58.44 | Lunessa | you're conflating meters and feet. |
| 20:59.25 | Fisker | well technically i should only be talking meters |
| 20:59.32 | Lunessa | Indeed. |
| 20:59.37 | Fisker | but i was nice to let clUeleSs people in on it |
| 20:59.45 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 20:59.52 | Lunessa | Most of us understand meters. |
| 20:59.55 | Dagmar | 1000ft is way goddamn longer than the max allowed for ethernet |
| 21:00.04 | Fisker | 3 times infact |
| 21:00.07 | Dagmar | ~3x longer |
| 21:00.08 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 21:00.18 | Fisker | and even 100 meters is pushing it |
| 21:00.26 | Dagmar | He's probably just selling a box of wire |
| 21:00.51 | Lunessa | Or he's just crimped a connector on to both ends and called it good. |
| 21:00.56 | Fisker | xD |
| 21:01.04 | Fisker | that would be hilarious though |
| 21:01.15 | Fisker | also |
| 21:01.20 | Fisker | ITT: Entitled WoW users |
| 21:01.39 | Fisker | This guy is saying that Blizzard should stop piracy otherwise why should he pay for it? |
| 21:01.58 | Fisker | maybe they can cook up a cure for stupid now that they're stopping piracy too? |
| 21:02.21 | Lunessa | I once went to a client site cause they had a machine that kept dropping off the network. When I got there, I found a 800' cable that they made themselves running to the machine. With a broken connector. I had some powered hubs in the trunk, but I had a good laugh about the cable. |
| 21:03.43 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFUVWbLB5q8 |
| 21:04.51 | Lunessa | saw it yesterday. |
| 21:04.54 | Lunessa | pretty cool. |
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| 21:23.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ... so, the job I'm at I've been working on contract for a while now, and they're bringing me on as a salaried FTE. I talked with the HR person on the phone 10-20 minutes ago and she's "I'm going to email you the offer letter and other documents. I know you work around a lot of people so please try to keep this confidential, maybe print them out at home instead of here." Okay, sure.. |
| 21:24.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Then my supervisor comes over and (in his normal, loud, voice) is like "so I saw she sent over the offer letter, blah blah blah blah.." |
| 21:24.27 | NightHawkTheSane | facepalms. |
| 21:24.31 | Kraps | lol NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:24.41 | Kraps | i'm not 12 and what is this http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/10/08/10/google-verizon-pact-it-gets-worse |
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| 21:28.34 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/ebertchicago/status/20766306307 |
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| 21:38.05 | Kraps | http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/05/apple-researching-methods-to-turn-iphone-into-feature-rich-bike-computer/ |
| 21:38.46 | Kraps | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/compare/pc-vs-mac.aspx |
| 21:41.41 | Kraps | PCs let you pick a color so hah |
| 21:43.19 | Gintaro | They're both PCs! |
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| 21:46.11 | Synycyl | Good evening all.... Does anyone know where the art files for the border and statusbar in the skills window are at |
| 21:46.18 | Synycyl | I'm having a rough time finding them |
| 21:51.43 | jnwhiteh | Synycyl: look in the FrameXML, it will tell you. |
| 21:51.56 | Synycyl | ok i'll dig through it again... |
| 21:51.57 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/SkillFrame.xml |
| 21:52.16 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.16 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.21 | jnwhiteh | fail linewrapping =/ |
| 21:52.47 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/PAPERDOLLINFOFRAME/UI-Character-Skills-BarBorder.png and http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/PAPERDOLLINFOFRAME/UI-Character-Skills-Bar.png |
| 21:53.08 | jnwhiteh | that's my good deed for the night. I'm off. |
| 21:54.19 | Synycyl | I think I found it... tyvm |
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| 22:03.40 | Ackis | https://cheezdailysquee.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129171160840974187.jpg halp |
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| 22:14.10 | Synycyl | ok next pondering.... how do i programatically in Lua set the boder texture? |
| 22:15.22 | cbreak | do you have a reference to it? |
| 22:15.24 | cbreak | or it's name? |
| 22:15.25 | Synycyl | border even |
| 22:16.08 | Synycyl | yes i'm creating the rest of the frame via Lua |
| 22:16.57 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#Texture |
| 22:17.03 | cbreak | that's for general textures |
| 22:19.25 | Synycyl | ok i think i see what i have to do.... |
| 22:19.40 | Synycyl | the border is a frame and then the bar is a child frame |
| 22:26.23 | Dashkal | So am I missing something or can hunters just not dual wield anymore? |
| 22:26.48 | Dashkal | (Cataclysm) |
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| 22:29.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: its possible. |
| 22:30.44 | Dashkal | If that stands, that's going to be a bit of an unplesant surprise come 4.0 |
| 22:30.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm definitely not seeing it in wowhead's db |
| 22:31.30 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs. |
| 22:32.10 | NightHawkTheSane | If true, I think they should advertise it a bit more so currently DW hunters know to at least have some kind of 2h on hand. but there really is a lot of time left. |
| 22:32.21 | NightHawkTheSane | and frankly, its not as if one won't show up pretty quickly while questing. |
| 22:32.46 | Dashkal | It's certainly not the end of the world. Just a bit surprising |
| 22:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 22:33.05 | Dashkal | It annoys me a bit since that means there are now non-ranged heirloom weapons I can use on my worgen |
| 22:33.10 | NightHawkTheSane | I actually think it's a good decision, but that's aside the point |
| 22:33.18 | Dashkal | now no* |
| 22:33.42 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, that's true. the feral druid heriloom is a mace, yeah? |
| 22:33.43 | Dashkal | I'm not so sure. They share their stat profile with rogues |
| 22:33.47 | Dashkal | it is |
| 22:34.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: also druids, which means blizz can itemize staves/polearms specifically for druids/hunters, and 1h for shaman/rogues |
| 22:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | (and dk i guess) |
| 22:34.37 | Dashkal | dk will share with fury warriors (they're adding 1h str weapons) |
| 22:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
| 22:35.02 | NightHawkTheSane | but still, you get dk/war, shaman/rogue, druid/hunter, which is a decent array |
| 22:35.42 | Dashkal | *nods* Not terrible. Just odd. Druid/Hunter with the same stat profile as shaman/rogue, but no overlap (especially with druid/rogue being the same role exactly) |
| 22:36.32 | Dashkal | Meh, I'll deal. For many levels the 1h sword is still the best bet. Unless you have a constant stream of 2h blues coming in |
| 22:36.45 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 22:37.55 | NightHawkTheSane | as an aside, i discovered it kind of sucks if you pick prot for your worgen warrior. you dont actually get a shield quest reward until you hit level ~12-13 |
| 22:42.13 | Dashkal | That's annoying |
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| 22:51.13 | Arrowmaster | what the hell, Hakumen wont stop kicking my ass in BlazBlue CT and i beat him earlier somehow |
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| 22:53.02 | Arrowmaster | and ofcourse once i say something i get him really good |
| 22:55.13 | Synycyl | Ok I'm still having trouble putting a border on a status bar! Do I have to create a Frame with the border texture then the status bar should be a child of said frame? If this is so what is the frame type you would suggest and I can't find a simple SetTexture method so there must be a specific on per frame type |
| 22:57.58 | Bruners | NightHawkTheSane: seeing as you don't place any talents points until level 11, i see no problem with that |
| 22:58.32 | Synycyl | I see in the FrameXML the skill window uses a button for the border... I was hoping to use a generic frame instead |
| 22:58.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Bruners: er, you see no problem with not being able to use your primary class ability for upwards of 3 levels? |
| 22:59.14 | NightHawkTheSane | (and i think you get your first talent point at 10 still) |
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| 23:12.30 | enum | is anyone here familiar w/ the new mpq format for cata? |
| 23:13.40 | cloudwolf | sorry enum no considering i crash when i try to do anything in deepholm |
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| 23:13.51 | cloudwolf | and the repair.exe said "no errors found reinstall to play" |
| 23:16.32 | vithos | didn't gatherhud used to take over the minimap blips for tracking? |
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| 23:20.59 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 23:30.28 | vithos | ooooh that was sexymap |
| 23:32.47 | enum | hmmm, someone just told me the beta version of winmpq works w/ the new mpq files, but I can't seem to find anything newer than jan 6 2010 |
| 23:33.31 | Odlaw | help > about for a web page? |
| 23:35.47 | Odlaw | www.zezula.net/mpq.html |
| 23:36.30 | Odlaw | thats the one i'm usin anyway |
| 23:37.06 | Adys | yay |
| 23:37.08 | Adys | new gmail ui :) |
| 23:38.51 | Sixen | Ladik's is ftw. |
| 23:39.25 | Adys | enum, mpqedit > * |
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| 23:39.39 | Adys | in fact it was updated again this morning |
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| 23:40.55 | Odlaw | new ui? theme? cuz my ui looks the same |
| 23:41.47 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/08/gmails-streamlined-interface-and-better.html |
| 23:42.17 | Adys | Also enum, stormlib was updated for cataclysm aswell |
| 23:42.31 | enum | checking it out now, thanks |
| 23:42.56 | Adys | also funny, i still only have 50 gmail invites |
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| 23:43.41 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/08/10/china-is-finally-getting-wrath-of-the-lich-king/ |
| 23:44.48 | Adys | http://www.wow.com/2010/08/12/china-first-lich-king-kill/ |
| 23:45.18 | Kraps | haha |
| 23:45.53 | Kraps | a commenter said that the classes arent changed from BC? |
| 23:46.48 | fiphi | Adys: The Lich Kking link doesn't work for me. :S |
| 23:47.47 | Adys | If humour was a spell, you'd be a giant resist |
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| 23:51.16 | cralor | I don't see the new GMail Features |
| 23:51.38 | Mike-N-Go | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:53.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Mike-N-Go: is that anything like a pineapple? |
| 23:55.09 | Mike-N-Go | Kina, but it is not a fruit. |
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