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| 00:04.49 | Cide | that's pretty funny |
| 00:06.02 | Shirik | cide |
| 00:06.04 | Shirik | I got a mic |
| 00:06.11 | Shirik | I drove an hour away to get it |
| 00:08.13 | Cide | awesome |
| 00:08.21 | Cide | good job |
| 00:11.11 | Cide | did you see the published alleged proof that P!=NP? |
| 00:12.03 | foxlit | for some value of published that resembles "posted" |
| 00:12.11 | Cide | ^ |
| 00:12.21 | Cide | non-peer reviewed |
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| 00:25.56 | Cide | so you wanna play then Shirik? |
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| 00:32.04 | Kraps | Shirik: we need more honest vandals like that |
| 00:38.18 | Kraps | Fisker: are you "Absolutely fed up with Terran dominance" http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/375107687 |
| 00:41.27 | Esamynn | how does one get to the Maelstrom? |
| 00:42.51 | Shirik | sorry Cide I gotta go |
| 00:43.08 | Kraps | Esamynn: i heard that one does not simply walk into the Maelstrom |
| 00:43.14 | Cide | weak |
| 00:43.21 | Esamynn | Kraps: oh? |
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| 00:49.47 | Kraps | you can however rock into the Maelstrom |
| 00:50.01 | Esamynn | and how would one do this? |
| 00:50.04 | kd3 | hit 82 |
| 00:50.12 | kd3 | there's breadcrumbs in org/sw |
| 00:50.27 | Esamynn | don't wanna, do I have to be 82? |
| 00:50.31 | kd3 | yes |
| 00:50.35 | Esamynn | damn, ok |
| 00:57.41 | Jerub | http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2010/07/pride-and-prejudice-and-fight-club.html |
| 00:59.20 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:FOOTBALLPLAYERWHOSHALLNOTBENAMED&redirect=no oddest redirects |
| 00:59.40 | Cide | Adys, ping |
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| 01:26.10 | Arrowmaster | Top.Gear.The.Best.Of.Top.Gear.S15.Part1.WS.PDTV.XviD-NANO |
| 01:26.12 | Arrowmaster | fucking epic |
| 01:26.36 | Arrowmaster | he keeps rolling this 3 wheel car |
| 01:27.44 | Arrowmaster | haha hes doing wheelies in it |
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| 01:35.29 | Arrowmaster | haha he fucking put training wheels on it |
| 01:36.45 | Esamynn | damn, I want to goto the Maelstrom to see the shark.... but I don't want to level to 82 :( |
| 01:39.45 | cloudwolf | world server down |
| 01:39.47 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 01:39.57 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Epicus_Maximus |
| 01:39.59 | kd3 | the shark ^ |
| 01:40.40 | Amarande | G'evening :) |
| 01:41.21 | cloudwolf | kd3 is that really there? |
| 01:41.26 | kd3 | yes |
| 01:41.34 | cloudwolf | i hope to god that goes live |
| 01:41.40 | kd3 | as do we all |
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| 02:05.36 | LucarioTown | anybody know anygood addons? |
| 02:06.14 | Dashkal | There are none. Only crappy ones |
| 02:07.53 | Amarande | *yawn* |
| 02:07.59 | Amarande | I should be doing HPoS and HToC5 |
| 02:08.08 | Amarande | but I get bored queuing when none of my guildies or friends are logged in :| |
| 02:08.27 | Amarande | then I alt-tab to IRC to get less bored |
| 02:08.30 | Amarande | and then I miss my queue pop :P |
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| 02:10.06 | LucarioTown | Alliance or Horde |
| 02:10.53 | Corrodias | boxers or briefs |
| 02:11.09 | LucarioTown | ill answer urs if u answer mines |
| 02:11.12 | Arrowmaster | neither! |
| 02:11.35 | Corrodias | neither; i haven't played since 2.4 |
| 02:13.46 | LucarioTown | i died |
| 02:13.52 | LucarioTown | =( |
| 02:16.54 | kd3 | oops |
| 02:17.09 | kd3 | I just gibbed a charbringer in the flamewake by sheeping it |
| 02:18.28 | Corrodias | well, LucarioTown, time to answer my question |
| 02:21.07 | LucarioTown | boxerbriefs |
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| 02:31.37 | Amarande | ok, am I just thinking it or does Mass Dispel cause a HUGE amount of additional threat? |
| 02:33.05 | Amarande | whenever I use it to keep getting rid of those stupid runes while I'm discing in UK |
| 02:33.12 | Amarande | it seems the tank often has to struggle to hold onto things ... |
| 02:40.39 | Cairenn | DesertDwarf: moved |
| 02:40.41 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 02:40.49 | DesertDwarf | Cairenn, Thanks! |
| 02:40.58 | Cairenn | DesertDwarf: you're welcome :) |
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| 02:42.47 | Amarande | Cairenn! :) |
| 02:43.20 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
| 02:43.24 | Amarande | how's you? |
| 02:43.30 | Cairenn | I is. You? |
| 02:43.48 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAHBMj2N5Qs |
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| 02:46.42 | Amarande | I'm doing good :) |
| 02:46.45 | Amarande | anything fun going on? |
| 02:47.46 | Cairenn | not a whole lot |
| 02:47.54 | Cairenn | standard Sunday night |
| 02:49.57 | Arrowmaster | fucking adobe asshats not supporting 64bit linux |
| 02:50.21 | Arrowmaster | im getting fucking tired of nspluginwrapper workaround crashing |
| 02:50.42 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: specify which team |
| 02:50.53 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 02:51.04 | kd3 | grrs at the flash team |
| 02:51.14 | Cairenn | not all adobe are asshats, depends on which team |
| 02:51.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah flash |
| 02:51.22 | Cairenn | there ya go |
| 02:51.32 | Cide | they are returning the asshattery from apple on the general public |
| 02:51.39 | Cide | sucks to be you but blame apple |
| 02:51.51 | bluspacecow | <--- attempting to extract torrent for beta 12694 from beta files |
| 02:52.10 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: they don't really support 32bit linux, either. |
| 02:52.14 | Corrodias | why apple? |
| 02:52.25 | Corrodias | i mean, don't get me wrong, i'd call apple asshats any day |
| 02:52.33 | Cide | iAds, hatin' flash, etc |
| 02:52.34 | bluspacecow | just not sure what the EOF is eant to be |
| 02:52.36 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: but they atleast have a current version of flash player for 32bit |
| 02:53.05 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: using wowtorrentex v4 or later? |
| 02:53.10 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/wow-12694-06B4632045B691FF62970951CAFB1735.torrent is what I have so far |
| 02:53.12 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 02:53.15 | bluspacecow | os x |
| 02:53.25 | bluspacecow | extracted URL out of cache.db with a hex editor |
| 02:53.26 | Arrowmaster | well get the code for it at least |
| 02:53.37 | Amarande | gah I'm nervous about thursday |
| 02:53.41 | Arrowmaster | or let me see if i can find mine |
| 02:54.05 | bluspacecow | can you look at the torrent I extracted and tell me what I need to chop off it /modify it to work ? |
| 02:54.43 | Arrowmaster | no i cant because you need the entire file to know that |
| 02:54.57 | bluspacecow | entire cache.db ? |
| 02:55.12 | Arrowmaster | oh its from cache.db? |
| 02:55.13 | Amarande | I signed up for an ICC |
| 02:55.16 | Amarande | and I've never been to ICC |
| 02:55.19 | Amarande | and I don't even know if we're doing 10 or 25 |
| 02:55.28 | bluspacecow | http://ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod/wow-12694-06B4632045B691FF62970951CAFB1735.torrent |
| 02:55.38 | Amarande | how hard is ICC from a DPS DK standpoint? |
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| 02:56.12 | bluspacecow | thats the URL from cache.db out of com.blizzard.launcher in my library folder |
| 02:57.40 | Arrowmaster | and it doesnt work? |
| 02:57.58 | bluspacecow | nah muh-torrent doesn't load it :( |
| 02:58.08 | bluspacecow | i used to curl to download it |
| 02:58.27 | bluspacecow | µTorrent |
| 02:59.18 | kd3 | it works here? gtorrentviewer opens it up just fine. it's 1.2MB |
| 02:59.26 | bluspacecow | really ? |
| 02:59.37 | bluspacecow | and you can view the list of files ? |
| 02:59.38 | Arrowmaster | which is kinda big for a torrent |
| 03:00.00 | kd3 | data/art.MPQ, data/expansion1.MPQ... data/expansion2.MPQ... |
| 03:00.03 | kd3 | and so on |
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| 03:01.33 | kd3 | though I dunno what's up with their torrent creator... a bunch of 1-piece "alignment" files |
| 03:01.49 | Arrowmaster | ala bitvomit? |
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| 03:07.24 | bluspacecow | got it opening thanks ... downloaded a more updated torrent client ... it loads fine now |
| 03:08.21 | Wobin | Amarande: there are a lot of fights where you're not standing in one place |
| 03:08.28 | Wobin | so your dps may suffer for that |
| 03:08.51 | Wobin | but once you learn all the tactics, it's fairly straightforward |
| 03:09.58 | kd3 | lmao. they renamed "A Chink in Their Armor" to "A Gap in Their Armor". no old-timey racial slurs here, nosireee |
| 03:11.01 | frontendloader | has anyone managed to set up a direct download for the new cataclysm client? |
| 03:11.01 | Wobin | of course now the quest still involves getting a suspiciously asian spy to infiltrate the enemy base |
| 03:11.15 | frontendloader | I'm not too interested in running that streaming installer for 3 days straight :/ |
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| 03:11.39 | kd3 | fire up the main (live wow) launcher, options, disable p2p. it'll just stream from the website |
| 03:12.06 | frontendloader | website streaming is capped at 160k/s I think |
| 03:12.27 | kd3 | faster than my available downstream bandwidth, so no problem there |
| 03:12.28 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:12.40 | frontendloader | wow you have it worse than me then :( |
| 03:13.59 | Amarande | gah, rogue named Drzztdourden in trade |
| 03:14.07 | Amarande | sighs |
| 03:15.00 | bluspacecow | considers installing Diablo II again |
| 03:15.02 | kd3 | whee. got back on before the ncps |
| 03:15.58 | Wobin | bluspacecow: stick to torchlight |
| 03:16.09 | bluspacecow | torchlight ? |
| 03:16.11 | bluspacecow | wot dat ? |
| 03:16.16 | Wobin | gasps |
| 03:16.27 | Wobin | it's a recent diabloish clone |
| 03:16.33 | Wobin | on steam |
| 03:16.41 | Wobin | it's pretty good |
| 03:16.42 | bluspacecow | PPC mac |
| 03:16.49 | bluspacecow | dont think i can get on steam :( |
| 03:16.52 | Wobin | should work? |
| 03:17.14 | Wobin | http://www.torchlightgame.com/gamenews/2010/05/12/torchlight-on-mac-steam/ |
| 03:18.09 | bluspacecow | need to check if they mean intel Macs or PPC macs |
| 03:22.27 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: http://www.torchlight2game.com/ |
| 03:22.52 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: yeah, sounds good |
| 03:23.22 | bluspacecow | com.apple.launchd[69] ([0x0-0xc00c].com.apple.finder[105]) Exited abnormally: Segmentation fault |
| 03:23.28 | bluspacecow | oh shiiiiiiiiiiii- |
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| 03:31.17 | Trela | <Jobs> An Apple program crashed? Dispatch the clean crew to dispose of this individual. OS X does not crash! |
| 03:31.47 | bluspacecow | lolz |
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| 03:38.25 | Thunder_Child | if i can crash linux 15 tiems in one semester i think i can crash a mac |
| 03:38.28 | Thunder_Child | times* |
| 03:40.11 | Fisker | i crashed your mom Thunder_Child |
| 03:40.17 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
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| 03:43.14 | Cide | torchlight is bad because it's SP |
| 03:45.00 | bluspacecow | SP ? |
| 03:48.22 | Yssaril | single player |
| 03:48.22 | Arrowmaster | im watching this new sherlock show people are talking about and noticed a disappearing police car, watson walks in front of the camera and it just disappears from the background lol |
| 03:57.47 | Fisker | torchlight 2 will be coop |
| 04:00.34 | Zyn | and thankfully will be more Diablo 2 like |
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| 04:14.38 | Wobin | I'm liking torchlight atm |
| 04:14.41 | Wobin | because I'm capped =P |
| 04:14.49 | Wobin | so the SP aspect makes it even BETTER |
| 04:16.14 | Thunder_Child | i <3 SP because i hate people |
| 04:16.47 | bluspacecow | ^^ QFT |
| 04:30.23 | Zyn | Thunder_Child, you hate co-op? :< |
| 04:31.31 | Thunder_Child | Zyn: co-op is fine, i hate people |
| 04:36.12 | batrick | wicked nasty creature of the day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botfly |
| 04:36.33 | batrick | (if the wikipedia page isn't convincing look at the google image results) |
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| 04:40.49 | vithos | Arrowmaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clnozSXyF4k Stargate Studios Virtual Backlot Reel 2009 |
| 04:41.04 | vithos | they don't even film simple things for real anymore |
| 04:43.50 | Arrowmaster | didnt even realize they did green screen stuff outside, thought they had to have controlled lighting for it |
| 04:54.49 | Amarande | green screen? |
| 04:54.57 | Amarande | the only 'green screen' I know of is crappy old mono monitors :S |
| 04:55.13 | Amarande | batrick: been there, seen it |
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| 04:57.28 | kd3 | chromakey |
| 04:57.53 | ZorbaTHut | you'd think the wow beta spammers would give up after a bit |
| 04:58.04 | ZorbaTHut | if I didn't pay attention to the first dozen spams, I probably won't click on the 13th |
| 04:58.17 | kd3 | ya, but it must be working or they wouldn't keep doing it |
| 04:58.27 | ZorbaTHut | well I assume they're adding more addresses |
| 05:03.08 | Amarande | robots don't care |
| 05:03.08 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:03.21 | Amarande | dammit zorba, I had some sort of comment about lone wolf and gamebooks and now I'm foggy on what I wanted to say |
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| 05:46.53 | Amarande | yay, another failed OS10+3 attempt |
| 05:47.02 | Amarande | It's surprising how difficult it is :| |
| 05:47.24 | Amarande | especially, it seems, when you've got a lot of melee |
| 05:50.54 | Amarande | at least plate repair bills aren't as horrid as they once were |
| 05:54.22 | Cide | gg debugging for 30 minutes only to realize it was because you didn't write the file in binary mode |
| 05:54.30 | Cide | FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU---- |
| 05:55.28 | Amarande | Good one, Cide. :) |
| 05:56.06 | Cide | I was writing a tga and it was more or less there but had weird colors here and there |
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| 06:42.35 | Lothaer | ~seen Esamynn |
| 06:42.37 | purl | esamynn is currently on #wowprogramming (1d 2m 18s) #norganna (1d 2m 18s) #wowuidev (1d 2m 18s). Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 5h 5m 52s, last said: 'damn, I want to goto the Maelstrom to see the shark.... but I don't want to level to 82 :('. |
| 06:42.53 | Esamynn | Lothaer: what can I do yah for? |
| 06:43.05 | Lothaer | wondering if you can ginvite me to secure hookers |
| 06:43.14 | Esamynn | sure, give me a few |
| 06:43.37 | Lothaer | cheers pm Lykon |
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| 07:14.53 | Shirik | code lyoko |
| 07:15.10 | Shirik | oh I'm 30 minutes late :< |
| 07:15.14 | Shirik | at least |
| 07:23.42 | Esamynn | Shirik: hmm? |
| 07:23.50 | Shirik | nothing |
| 07:23.59 | Shirik | it was an awful joke that was way behind because I just logged on to my bnc |
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| 07:28.20 | Dashkal | Damn. Vash'jir is quest-broken |
| 07:28.26 | Dashkal | MH it is I guess |
| 07:28.30 | Dashkal | I wanted to save that for live |
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| 08:01.34 | Shirik | ha |
| 08:01.45 | Shirik | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/2157503/Australians-fatter-than-Americans-study.html |
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| 08:02.06 | Shirik | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/7853104/British-children-getting-fatter-at-twice-the-rate-of-American-youngsters.html |
| 08:02.23 | Jerub | i hate eoe so much |
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| 09:36.47 | augustl | woot, Apress has got a WoW addon book |
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| 09:40.21 | Arrowmaster | what one? |
| 09:40.27 | Arrowmaster | because there is only one good one |
| 09:41.06 | jnwhiteh | the one by the DBM author |
| 09:41.16 | jnwhiteh | which is about learning Lua, something augustl already knows =) |
| 09:41.31 | Arrowmaster | the the quality of that one is obvious since its from the DBM author |
| 09:41.39 | Arrowmaster | just look at the quality of DBM |
| 09:41.54 | augustl | http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1430223715/ref=pe_5301_21239871_pe_ar_t2 |
| 09:41.59 | jnwhiteh | its actually got some cool examples, but I've had several people tell me they prefer my style instead. *shrug* |
| 09:42.18 | augustl | I've put wow addon dev on hold until I see or find time to write a unit testing framework |
| 09:42.40 | augustl | this is the part where I hope someone posts a link to a unit test framework I wasn't aware of |
| 09:42.43 | jnwhiteh | Dongle was written using unit tests, over 3 years ago. |
| 09:42.44 | Arrowmaster | its rather hard to unit test in wow |
| 09:43.00 | jnwhiteh | and I wrote a paper for one of the Agile conferences about it |
| 09:43.01 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:43.22 | Arrowmaster | you cant test everything since part of it is depending on how exactly the API works and what events fire when in what exact order |
| 09:43.28 | jnwhiteh | augustl: the reviews on amazon may be interesting to you: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1430223715/ref=pe_5301_21239871_pe_ar_t2 |
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| 09:44.15 | jnwhiteh | and for contrast: http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Programming-Reference-Creating/dp/0470481285/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b and http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Programming-Reference-Creating/dp/0470229810/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281347043&sr=1-2 |
| 09:45.18 | jnwhiteh | I find it very odd that the people who have purchased his book haven't purchased mine. I've never seen a thorough review of the two side-by-side. |
| 09:46.37 | augustl | jnwhiteh: what is the test runner like for dongle? |
| 09:47.09 | augustl | Arrowmaster: if you TDD your code automatically gets more testable, though.. Lots of logic is abstractable most of the time |
| 09:48.06 | Arrowmaster | in my experience far more bugs were the result of API issues and not logic |
| 09:48.28 | Arrowmaster | although half the time i was messing around in uncharted areas |
| 09:49.04 | Arrowmaster | im still proud of my proxy table attack on the combatlog even though it didnt work because it caused tainting |
| 09:49.48 | jnwhiteh | augustl: http://dongle.googlecode.com/svn/branches/DongleUnitTests-1.1/ is what I used. |
| 09:51.35 | jnwhiteh | very simplistic, but it worked for what I wanted and needed, and I think that Dongle and Ace3 were better as a result. |
| 09:52.36 | augustl | this (old and outdated) code is a typical example of unit testable code imo http://github.com/augustl/Nao/blob/master/code/events.lua |
| 09:53.00 | augustl | there aren't many API calls there, lots of custom logic |
| 09:53.24 | jnwhiteh | indeed, but to truly test much of code like that, you require some game state |
| 09:53.42 | jnwhiteh | either there IS a buff you're expecting, versus their NOT being a buff you're expecting. |
| 09:53.58 | jnwhiteh | If you abstract it out far enough, you can separate those functions that are testable without a dependent game state. |
| 09:54.33 | augustl | what do you mean with game state? The only think I would need to unit test that would be a GetUnitBuff function that I could override in the tests |
| 09:54.46 | augustl | that would mean the tests wouldn't test the actual UnitBuff API call, of course |
| 09:55.08 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 09:55.12 | jnwhiteh | you can make your own test environment |
| 09:55.15 | jnwhiteh | API tests are easy. |
| 09:55.16 | augustl | but you could always separate the tests in a unit test suite while developing, and a integration test type thing that you can run occasionally by finding a target dummy or smt |
| 09:55.19 | jnwhiteh | event-based API tests are not. |
| 09:55.41 | jnwhiteh | that's all I think Arrowmaster is saying. |
| 09:55.51 | jnwhiteh | I obviously support unit tests, see my previous references =) |
| 09:55.57 | augustl | :) |
| 09:56.24 | Arrowmaster | im not talking about event things like combat log |
| 09:56.33 | Arrowmaster | im talking about seriously complex ones |
| 09:56.56 | Arrowmaster | which i have spent fucking days debugging before |
| 09:57.03 | augustl | would have been killer to be able to trigger events programatically... Wow.exe --debug |
| 09:57.53 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 09:58.48 | augustl | Arrowmaster: which API calls was that? |
| 09:58.52 | augustl | just curious :) |
| 09:58.56 | zenzelezz | "Researcher Vinay Deolalikar from HP Labs claims proof that P != NP. The 100-page paper has apparently not been peer-reviewed yet, so feel free to dig in and find some flaws" - Shirik must be having a great day today |
| 09:59.32 | Arrowmaster | its been a long time i cant remember exact details but there are many things that have specific orders to them |
| 10:02.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | I wish I had better writing skills |
| 10:03.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | anyone want to write a guest post on the prat blog? http://wow.curse.com/blogs/sylvanaar/default.aspx |
| 10:07.22 | Spejnar | Anyone know a good addon that displays a small picture when certain spells are off CD? Also whats the name of the addon that changes actions from onRelease to onPress, snowfall keypress or something? |
| 10:07.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | on another note has anyone ever seen the grading system for tea? |
| 10:08.41 | mitch0 | spejnar: something with cooldownpulse in the name |
| 10:08.50 | Spejnar | mitch0: alright, ill check that out |
| 10:09.12 | Spejnar | doom_cooldownpulse it seems |
| 10:09.14 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_pekoe |
| 10:09.30 | mitch0 | spejnar: also might want to check cooldowntogo (although that does a bit different thing), but it's mine so it roxors :) |
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| 10:10.51 | Spejnar | mitch0: ^^, you know the snowfall keypress thingie? really need it for pvp |
| 10:11.15 | krka | best comment ever http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1747524&cid=33184960 |
| 10:12.50 | mitch0 | spejnar: afair bartender had an option to turn on OnKeyDown processing (or if not, it was trivial to hack it to do so ;) |
| 10:13.34 | Spejnar | not using bartender thought, not sure if Im pro enough to hook and change processing from OnRelease to OnPress, hmm, ill probably break the world |
| 10:14.11 | mitch0 | do you use the default bars? |
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| 10:15.38 | Spejnar | oh right, I am using bartender.. |
| 10:15.40 | Spejnar | Im confused |
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| 10:20.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | lolwut |
| 10:20.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.softsailor.com/news/36747-world-of-warcraft-wow-cataclysm-release-date.html |
| 10:21.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | since when do they give release dates this far in advance |
| 10:21.51 | Spejnar | they dont |
| 10:22.21 | mitch0 | sylvanaar: still, a cristmas launch doesn't seem entirely unfeasable |
| 10:22.28 | Cide | that was activision, not blizzard |
| 10:22.34 | mitch0 | s/badspelling/goodspelling/ |
| 10:22.54 | mitch0 | then again, I'm not in the beta, so dunno how bad things are at the moment ;) |
| 10:23.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | well |
| 10:23.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | im biased because they are forcing us to use the default ui |
| 10:24.13 | mitch0 | I'm not even interested in the beta until they enable addons. My only concern is how much my stuff breaks ;) |
| 10:24.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | exactly |
| 10:25.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | its getting aggrivating now |
| 10:25.23 | mitch0 | s/badspelling/goodspelling/ |
| 10:25.26 | sylvanaar_atwork | yea |
| 10:25.30 | sylvanaar_atwork | i know |
| 10:25.52 | mitch0 | btw, is the poly-stunlock still in game? :) |
| 10:26.19 | Spejnar | no |
| 10:26.24 | Spejnar | if you mean the 3s before break |
| 10:26.39 | mitch0 | no, the break poly -> stun thing |
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| 10:27.36 | mitch0 | while true; do poly; ice lance; done |
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| 12:15.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | i just got angry birds for iphone - man its fun |
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| 13:24.24 | Kraps | http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Flashers-on-Chatroulette |
| 13:28.24 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/08/funny-pictures-heeeeeres-kitteh-2/ |
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| 13:33.47 | Limbero | So I finally got my head out of my ass and decided to make myself a custom UI again |
| 13:34.09 | zenzelezz | avoid porn? What's the point of having Internet then? |
| 13:35.04 | Limbero | I've got stuf for UF's, BT for ActionBars, pMinimap for the Minimap, SLDT for info on various crap, PowerAuras for notifications, Combuctor for my bags, and Skada for threat/damage/dps |
| 13:35.22 | Limbero | what I need aside from these is a scrolling combat text |
| 13:35.30 | Limbero | I used to use MSBT, is it still good? |
| 13:35.42 | Limbero | and have I missed anything blatantly obvious? |
| 13:36.13 | kaso | 'Do not search for ambiguous terms such as "girls", "pump", "bagel"...' |
| 13:36.21 | kaso | i'm not sure i want to know what that last one is |
| 13:37.08 | Limbero | also, I see this channel is a lot like #wowhead, not too much talk about the topic, so I just might stay :D |
| 13:38.02 | kaso | it comes in bursts, occationally someone will come along with a lua question that causes a flurry of discussion about some technical aspect, but most of the rest of the time its downtime. |
| 13:38.13 | Limbero | nice |
| 13:38.19 | Limbero | that's my kind of channel |
| 13:38.35 | Limbero | relevant every once in a while, but still alive when no questions are up |
| 13:40.17 | Kraps | yeah sc2 >wow |
| 13:40.22 | Kraps | >.> |
| 13:42.49 | Limbero | I didn't buy SC2 yet |
| 13:43.07 | jnwhiteh | me neither |
| 13:43.09 | jnwhiteh | ducks |
| 13:43.19 | Limbero | I might have another major expense coming up soon, and won't be able to afford the CE if I have to pay that, so I'm waiting until I get the decision |
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| 13:44.17 | Kraps | skip the ce then |
| 13:44.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | jnwhiteh: why not? |
| 13:44.19 | Kraps | :p |
| 13:44.30 | Limbero | Kraps, if I can afford it, I'm getting the CE |
| 13:44.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | its pretty fun |
| 13:44.34 | Limbero | that's why I'm waiting |
| 13:44.37 | jnwhiteh | I've been away, don't have much time to play and was always a bigger WC/Diablo fan than I was SC |
| 13:44.43 | jnwhiteh | yeah, I'll buy it at some point |
| 13:44.44 | jnwhiteh | I'm a fanboi, clearly |
| 13:44.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 13:44.48 | jnwhiteh | just haven't gotten around to it yet. |
| 13:45.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | the single player game is great |
| 13:45.28 | jnwhiteh | yeah this is what I hear. |
| 13:45.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | i really dont have the time either. I play maybe a couple hours here and there |
| 13:46.09 | Kraps | is diablo different from torchlight? its cool and all but kinda repetitive |
| 13:46.50 | zenzelezz | http://comixed.com/2010/08/08/4-koma-comic-strip-tough-question/ |
| 13:46.51 | Kraps | sylvanaar_atwork: do you play multiplayer? |
| 13:47.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | Kraps: yeah, a little bit. With friends. I love co-op |
| 13:49.20 | Kraps | i have no friends :( |
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| 13:54.05 | Limbero | so anyway, is MSBT still good? |
| 13:57.33 | industrial | yes |
| 13:57.38 | industrial | still <3 it |
| 13:57.39 | Limbero | good to know |
| 13:57.46 | industrial | one of my can't live without's :P |
| 13:57.54 | Limbero | I took a break 6 months ago, so I'm kind of out of the loop |
| 13:58.03 | industrial | same, I started last week |
| 13:58.04 | Limbero | just got back last week |
| 13:58.06 | Limbero | hehe |
| 13:58.47 | Limbero | hmm |
| 13:58.59 | Limbero | aside from that I need a good button skinning addon and a goot chat addon |
| 13:59.14 | Thunder_Child | prat |
| 13:59.17 | Limbero | good* |
| 13:59.35 | Limbero | does prat do messagebox on top? |
| 13:59.51 | Thunder_Child | you mean where you type? |
| 14:00.01 | Limbero | yeah |
| 14:00.05 | Thunder_Child | then yes |
| 14:00.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | on top |
| 14:00.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | ? |
| 14:00.13 | Limbero | above |
| 14:00.14 | Thunder_Child | of the chat frame |
| 14:00.15 | Limbero | or w/e |
| 14:00.33 | Thunder_Child | and ButtonFacade |
| 14:00.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | yes |
| 14:00.42 | Thunder_Child | though i prefer parrot to MSBT |
| 14:01.13 | Limbero | gonna try those then |
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| 14:17.12 | alestane | RAWR |
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| 14:26.53 | zenzelezz | oh, great... whatever that area behind Browmann Mill in Eastern Plaguelands is called, die there and you respawn not near Light's Hope, but in the Death Knight starting area |
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| 14:36.04 | Limbero | I used to have a grid overlay addon to align things in the UI |
| 14:36.11 | Limbero | can't recall what it was called |
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| 14:39.37 | Thunder_Child | Limbero: align |
| 14:39.42 | Limbero | ah |
| 14:39.43 | Limbero | haha |
| 14:41.17 | Shirik | Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it, resulting in an edit conflict. |
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| 14:41.29 | Shirik | I go look at who changed the page |
| 14:41.43 | Shirik | 07:41, 9 August 2010 Shirik (talk | contribs | block) (26 bytes) (change to confirmed) (rollback(AJAX) | undo) |
| 14:41.52 | Shirik | I appear to have gotten in an edit conflict with myself |
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| 14:42.11 | alestane | Um, oops? |
| 14:43.08 | Shirik | I'm not sure how that's possible, really |
| 14:44.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 14:44.12 | batrick | serves you right shirik |
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| 14:54.12 | Adys | ~ping |
| 14:54.13 | purl | ~pong |
| 14:55.10 | Shirik | hm 'Teoma was acquired by Ask Jeeves on September 11, 2001,' |
| 14:55.26 | Shirik | I think this was the real plot behind september 1 |
| 14:55.26 | Shirik | 11 |
| 14:59.54 | |Jelly| | ~lart Shirik |
| 14:59.54 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down Shirik's throat until Shirik puts on 150lbs |
| 15:00.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 15:00.05 | |Jelly| | Yeah! TAKE THAT! |
| 15:00.15 | |Jelly| | That's like the most delicious death I can think of. |
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| 15:07.16 | Aelobin | could anyone explain how you update the contents of a TreeGroup in AceGUI? :) |
| 15:13.39 | alestane | I have never found it needful to involve myself with AceAnything, sorry. |
| 15:14.11 | Aelobin | ^^ |
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| 15:36.32 | Wobin | omg http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/world-s-smallest-cannon-gets-upgraded |
| 15:36.36 | Wobin | that... is -awesome- |
| 15:40.14 | mikma | wobin: want! |
| 15:43.31 | Ackis | so, someone I didn't really like/get along with and they were "mean" to me died... am I an evil bastard for saying "good"? |
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| 15:45.41 | alestane | It's never really appropriate to exult publicly on someone's de |
| 15:45.48 | alestane | demise. |
| 15:46.07 | Ackis | I'm doing it in my head which is making me feel strange :P |
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| 15:46.21 | Wobin | are they actually dead? |
| 15:46.36 | alestane | But I don't think anyone will expect you to grieve much. |
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| 15:47.32 | Ackis | Wobin: apparently so |
| 15:48.13 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gDt8EvlL98 Drumming Washing Machine |
| 15:48.17 | Ackis | http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=50428&page=10 |
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| 15:54.31 | Jerub | woo, DW down for the first time |
| 15:55.12 | |Jelly| | DW? |
| 15:56.03 | Olison | What is the name of that lib that held all the itemIds of sets and so forth? |
| 15:56.03 | Spejnar | dreamwalker probably |
| 15:56.10 | Spejnar | or lady, ive seen both |
| 15:56.22 | Ackis | Olison: periodic table? |
| 15:56.23 | |Jelly| | Either way, congrats! |
| 15:56.33 | Olison | ah yes, thanks Ackis =) |
| 15:56.43 | Spejnar | not to be mean but how much do your healers suck if you cant get DW down? ^^ |
| 15:57.30 | |Jelly| | Sometimes, raiding with friends who keyboard turn > killing pixels. |
| 15:57.38 | Spejnar | true.. |
| 15:59.05 | Wobin | I'm terrible at healing DW |
| 15:59.14 | amro | Doctor Who? |
| 15:59.19 | Wobin | razzafrazzingdiscpriestrazza |
| 15:59.43 | |Jelly| | Just shield he....oh wait. |
| 16:00.39 | Jerub | dreamwalker |
| 16:00.45 | Jerub | Wobin: druids suck at it |
| 16:00.49 | Jerub | our shamman hit 23k hps |
| 16:00.52 | Jerub | i was doing 10.. |
| 16:03.05 | Wobin | at least druids have decent direct healing =) |
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| 16:04.04 | |Jelly| | Were you two-healing, druid/shaman? |
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| 16:13.21 | laeg | can anyone recommend an alernative to cartographer for showing maps of areas i haven't been, ore locations and minimap co-ords? |
| 16:13.28 | laeg | i understand cartographer is no longer in development |
| 16:14.49 | alestane | I use GatherMate for tracking resources. |
| 16:14.49 | Ackis | mapster, gathermate and handynotes iirc were the three |
| 16:14.52 | laeg | ty guys |
| 16:15.05 | alestane | Also, are you having problems with a recent version of Cartographer? |
| 16:15.33 | laeg | alestane: no, i only started playing again yesterday on a fresh install, is it working okay for you at the moment? |
| 16:16.00 | alestane | If it works, you don't automatically have to ditch it just because it's out of development. |
| 16:16.13 | alestane | I haven't used it in years myself. |
| 16:16.33 | laeg | i'll give it a shot, although i heard it doesn't work |
| 16:17.05 | laeg | also, i used to use a camera mod that would allow me to zoom out from my character much further than was possible using the regular in game options, does anyone know what it's called? |
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| 16:21.06 | |Jelly| | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.52 | laeg | tyvm |
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| 17:11.37 | Adys | Anyone good with encryption? |
| 17:11.41 | Adys | i got a small challenge here |
| 17:12.55 | augustl | good, as in bad? Pick me! |
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| 17:14.59 | Shirik_ | what is this captcha for webchat now |
| 17:15.14 | Shirik_ | anyway, am I the only one scared about how closely this article's title resembles the borg? http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20100809.aspx |
| 17:15.23 | Guest96027 | fu |
| 17:17.01 | nicoli_s | you love some UAV news shirik |
| 17:17.58 | Guest96027 | I get a daily digest of UAV news :) |
| 17:18.07 | Guest96027 | ... |
| 17:18.10 | Guest96027 | THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT |
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| 17:18.48 | kd3 | lmao |
| 17:18.50 | Shirik | thank you |
| 17:19.03 | Shirik | nickserv being mean today |
| 17:19.13 | nevcairiel | he is just following orders |
| 17:19.20 | cog|work | ^ |
| 17:19.28 | Shirik | yeah well he should be reading my mind |
| 17:19.38 | nevcairiel | standing orders: be mean to Shirik |
| 17:21.43 | augustl | my /bug and such is not there in the beta. Is it because the client download hasn't finished fully? |
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| 17:21.57 | kd3 | no, it's because they got left out of the build compose |
| 17:22.01 | kd3 | it'll be in the next build |
| 17:22.10 | kd3 | the ui gets downloaded before you can log in |
| 17:22.28 | augustl | when will that be? Feels pointless to play beta without it :) |
| 17:22.29 | Lunessa | station. |
| 17:22.42 | kd3 | who knows? there's always the bug reports forum until then |
| 17:23.03 | Lunessa | can't stay connected to beta for more than 5 minutes at a stretch. :( |
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| 17:23.49 | augustl | lvl 65 deathguards inside the very first room of the UD starting zone :S |
| 17:23.55 | augustl | "Say NO to world PvP" |
| 17:24.31 | kd3 | oh geez... bad, fark. bad: "Today is 8-9-10. But you know why 10 is afraid of 7, because 7 8 9. Thank you, I'll be here all day. Tag is for what many of you are thinking about this headline [Fail]" |
| 17:25.05 | Ackis | sad thing is I was just giggling that today is 8/9/10 |
| 17:25.06 | Pneumatus | it's 9-8-10, dumb americans ;) |
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| 17:25.28 | augustl | cheers Pneumatus |
| 17:25.31 | zenzelezz | pfft |
| 17:25.34 | zenzelezz | 09-08-10 |
| 17:25.35 | kd3 | you crazy euros get to do this in less than a month, then |
| 17:25.38 | augustl | y/m/d or d/m/y, bastards |
| 17:25.50 | Pneumatus | qft |
| 17:25.55 | Shirik | Agree it's actually 10-8-9 |
| 17:26.03 | Ackis | Monday, August 9th, 2010 |
| 17:26.17 | zenzelezz | 9th of August |
| 17:26.51 | augustl | 1281374802 |
| 17:27.22 | zenzelezz | in which timestamp format? Unix? Windows? Other? |
| 17:27.38 | augustl | Unix > Windows > Other |
| 17:27.39 | augustl | hah! |
| 17:27.55 | Pneumatus | windows has a timestamp other than epoch? |
| 17:28.02 | foxlit | m/d/y, d.m.y, or yyyy-mm-dd, tbh |
| 17:28.31 | Pneumatus | apart from m/d/y i agree! |
| 17:28.44 | foxlit | The slash is usually a good hint that someone is using american ordering. |
| 17:29.26 | Pneumatus | in the UK at least using d/m/y is pretty common |
| 17:29.36 | Pneumatus | rarely see dates written as d.m.y |
| 17:29.48 | Lunessa | American date ordering uber alles? |
| 17:30.00 | Cide | american date ordering ftmfl |
| 17:30.16 | augustl | infidels |
| 17:30.17 | Cide | at least go in ascending *or* descending order, not some kind of stupid mix |
| 17:30.34 | zenzelezz | they have invaded your sanctum and seek to change your date ordering |
| 17:30.35 | Ackis | the stupid mix is how you would say the date |
| 17:30.42 | Cide | yes but are you typing it? |
| 17:30.48 | Pneumatus | neg, ackis |
| 17:30.48 | Cide | er |
| 17:30.50 | Ackis | 8/9/10 == August the 9th, 2010 |
| 17:30.52 | Cide | s/typing/saying/ |
| 17:30.58 | augustl | ding lvl 2 |
| 17:30.59 | Pneumatus | 9th of August, 2010 |
| 17:31.02 | Cide | except it says 8, not August |
| 17:31.09 | Cide | you don't say 8 the 9th, 2010 |
| 17:31.24 | Ackis | I'm just giving the "history" behind it :P |
| 17:31.27 | Lunessa | Actually, I drive people here in the office insane because I usually use yyyy-mm-dd - since I deal with Oracle databases all day. |
| 17:31.30 | Cide | and I'm just telling you it's stupid |
| 17:31.41 | Cide | oracle is a good database in that regard. |
| 17:32.09 | augustl | Cide: I see what you did there |
| 17:32.18 | mikma | jesus fucking christ |
| 17:32.28 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:32.29 | mikma | this happened yesterday in the capital of finland: |
| 17:32.30 | mikma | http://www.hs.fi/videot/1135259206031?kategoria=Uutiset&sivu=1 |
| 17:32.31 | Fisker | hey Shirik btw |
| 17:32.47 | Lunessa | Cide: I would like it more, if the java module we use in conjunction with it would quit randomly deciding to use up ALL available memory on the server. But I hate it less than I used to. |
| 17:32.56 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
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| 17:33.32 | Cide | roflowned, mikma |
| 17:33.43 | foxlit | the end of days, mikma |
| 17:33.49 | Cide | Lunessa, nice |
| 17:33.54 | foxlit | It has come, and wants its cloud back. |
| 17:34.00 | mikma | see how fast the stormcloud is moving |
| 17:34.09 | mikma | people are screaming "help" and running away :D |
| 17:34.25 | Cide | just go sit in the car |
| 17:34.27 | Cide | $$$ |
| 17:34.37 | cog|work | why can't we get weather like that around here? |
| 17:34.48 | Cide | because you haven't pissed off iceland |
| 17:34.53 | Cide | ohhh |
| 17:35.02 | Pneumatus | even the seagulls did a runner |
| 17:35.04 | Pneumatus | well, flyer |
| 17:35.20 | laeg | -> /castrandom [mod:alt] Thunder Clap; [nocombat] !Charge; [combat] Overpower, Heroic Strike, Overpower |
| 17:35.44 | Cide | ...why? |
| 17:35.45 | laeg | is there anyway i can insert a string there to perform a victory strike if possible? that is if it's 20 or less after i've earned xp or honour? |
| 17:35.56 | Cide | why not you know |
| 17:35.59 | Cide | use more than one key |
| 17:36.01 | Cide | just a thought |
| 17:36.17 | kd3 | the macro system is UI, not AI |
| 17:36.17 | laeg | that is, a victory strike instead of charge if possible, otherwise charge? |
| 17:36.33 | Cide | user intelligence. |
| 17:36.34 | cog|work | laeg: |
| 17:36.36 | cog|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#Complete_list |
| 17:36.46 | cog|work | If you don't see a condition listed here, then there is no way to check for it and take a combat-related action. These are essentially non-negotiable though they may be augmented in the future. |
| 17:36.47 | Dagmar | window balance |
| 17:36.53 | Pneumatus | you can't afaik, the castrandom would get stuck on victory strike until it could be cast |
| 17:37.01 | Cide | I would link you this great macro guide but the author had a fit of rage and it got deleted, laeg |
| 17:37.36 | augustl | Cide: wasn't cog|work the author of that guide? :S |
| 17:37.41 | laeg | Pneumatus: but the cast random doesn't get stuck on overpower, it performs hs when overpower isn't possible? |
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| 17:37.42 | cog|work | augustl: hence the irony |
| 17:37.45 | cog|work | chuckles at Cide |
| 17:37.57 | augustl | <.< |
| 17:38.09 | Pneumatus | overpower is a toggle though, iirc |
| 17:38.12 | foxlit | The /castrandom fix is a sham. |
| 17:38.25 | Cide | laeg, try using more than one finger to play the game |
| 17:38.36 | Cide | it's funny |
| 17:38.38 | laeg | Cide: that was almost funn y |
| 17:38.48 | laeg | cog|work: ty for the link |
| 17:38.48 | Cide | I just told you it is |
| 17:38.56 | laeg | i'm sure you tell a lot of things. |
| 17:38.56 | Cide | because in sc2 players strive to maximize their efficiency |
| 17:38.58 | mikma | haste: http://rom.naurunappula.com/nn/1/232/031/s_624761.jpg |
| 17:39.02 | Cide | getting to 300+ apm |
| 17:39.17 | Cide | yet in wow people are actively looking up guides in order to do as little as possible while staying afloat |
| 17:39.20 | Cide | I don't get it |
| 17:39.42 | augustl | the global cooldown hurts APM pros |
| 17:40.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: there's a snide remark here about wow players, but i'm too tired to care about making it. |
| 17:40.14 | Cide | the global cooldown puts a threshold on max apm |
| 17:40.28 | Cide | that doesn't mean you have to try and sail at 5apm as opposed to said threshold |
| 17:40.39 | augustl | yeah, 40. Not a lot.. |
| 17:41.01 | augustl | different games are different :) |
| 17:41.03 | Cide | yet players like this guy who was in here not too long ago actively go about to try and lower that even further |
| 17:41.14 | NightHawkTheSane | with enough haste (Or the right class) it would be 60, but that's aside the point. |
| 17:41.21 | augustl | in sc2 it's all about apm. In WoW it's all about tactics and using your head |
| 17:41.23 | augustl | hides |
| 17:41.26 | Pneumatus | so you don't approve of playing ret paladin with 2 foot pedals then cide :P |
| 17:41.38 | NightHawkTheSane | augustl: of course, that is /also/ incompatable with one-button playing :P |
| 17:41.43 | Cide | what NightHawkTheSane said |
| 17:41.45 | kd3 | ret pallies are designed to be played by facerolling. that's about it |
| 17:41.46 | laeg | Cide: having a myriad of combat buttons to press is not better than having only a few |
| 17:42.04 | laeg | Cide: and by the way, there is no such thing as an iwin one button. |
| 17:42.06 | Cide | laeg, yes it is, if said myriad of combat buttons give you the option to choose for yourself instead of letting a macro choose it |
| 17:42.12 | mikma | http://kilo.naurunappula.com/nn/1/196/933/s_617449.png |
| 17:42.15 | Cide | laeg, yet you're trying hard to make one. |
| 17:42.21 | NightHawkTheSane | laeg: there's a balance where you have enough choices to be able to make the wrong one, but not so many that you never use most of them. |
| 17:42.22 | laeg | Cide: if you write the macro, you've already chosen for yourself |
| 17:42.26 | Cide | nope |
| 17:42.30 | Cide | you have chosen how you want to play |
| 17:42.37 | Cide | locking you into a set of specfic rules |
| 17:42.40 | Cide | specific |
| 17:42.41 | kd3 | reiterates the "UI, not AI" line |
| 17:42.42 | laeg | i have chosen than if i've just earned xp or honour vs, else charge |
| 17:42.44 | Cide | giving you no ability to adapt |
| 17:42.51 | Cide | to dynamic situations |
| 17:42.53 | laeg | because i will always want to use vs over charge when possible |
| 17:42.54 | Cide | making you a worse player |
| 17:42.59 | Cide | making you a robot |
| 17:42.59 | laeg | dynamics won't change that fact |
| 17:43.13 | Cide | Cide> locking you into a set of specfic rules |
| 17:43.19 | laeg | tell me a situation where i will want to use charge over vs, pray tell? |
| 17:43.20 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: i do occasionally miss my tanking addon, if only because I enjoyed tweaking the logic to always "do the right thing" ;) |
| 17:43.28 | Cide | laeg, when you're out of range of the next mob |
| 17:43.31 | laeg | i'm not locked in if i'm holding the key |
| 17:43.32 | Fisker | giggles at kd3 |
| 17:43.45 | laeg | cide out of range for which? |
| 17:43.46 | augustl | kd3 gets my vote |
| 17:43.56 | Fisker | i saw what you didd there mikma |
| 17:43.58 | Cide | victory whatever |
| 17:44.06 | laeg | and if the range is the same for both? |
| 17:44.21 | laeg | and even if not, if possible the macro would next try the other attack |
| 17:44.23 | Lunessa | laeg: We had this very same discussion ad nauseam in 2006 - guess what? Your philosophy lost. |
| 17:44.27 | Ackis | Remember decursive and molten core? :D |
| 17:44.34 | Cide | then maybe you want to charge in order to get away from an incoming PvPer |
| 17:44.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: i try to forget that, actually |
| 17:44.46 | Cide | having the ability to change up your game is NEVER BAD |
| 17:45.04 | kd3 | ugh. hated using decursive in naxx-40 |
| 17:45.10 | kd3 | you must spam your decurse key or the raid will wipe |
| 17:45.22 | Ackis | same with MC kd3 |
| 17:45.27 | Cide | how is pressing 1, 2 *every time* worse than pressing 1, 1 *every time*, if it for your robotic self boils down to the same combination of actions every time? |
| 17:45.29 | NightHawkTheSane | that was kind of every vanilla raid. |
| 17:45.59 | Cide | it has the added benefit of letting you break free of your robotic change and become a thinking human being every once in a while also |
| 17:46.05 | Cide | s/change/chains/ |
| 17:46.13 | mikma | ackis: mmoc down? |
| 17:46.25 | Ressy | seems it |
| 17:47.20 | Ressy | maybe they're switching to curse servers today? |
| 17:47.40 | mikma | omg lol doomed |
| 17:47.45 | Shirik | http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0107/ac1.jpg |
| 17:47.49 | Fisker | they've been fucked a bit lately |
| 17:47.54 | Fisker | should've gotten up again last i heard |
| 17:48.02 | Fisker | but i'm raiding so idk |
| 17:48.06 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:48.23 | Ackis | mikma: no idea I seldom visit it :P |
| 17:49.59 | Fisker | you suck Ackis |
| 17:50.34 | Ackis | that's what she said |
| 17:51.21 | kd3 | Shirik, wtf |
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| 17:53.39 | Ackis | hmm it's always a good pick-me-up to read about people in your age group with similar medical conditions dropping dead |
| 17:53.56 | Ackis | so I have between 5-9 years :O |
| 17:54.38 | mikma | don't worry, idiocy won't kill you |
| 17:55.00 | Ackis | not worried about that, if it killed people the US would have no population left :P |
| 17:57.24 | Fisker | kd3 lol |
| 17:58.31 | Lunessa | Ackis: I would be upset with you if I didn't sometimes agree. |
| 17:59.00 | Fisker | http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2010/08/joint-policy-proposal-for-open-internet.html |
| 17:59.14 | Shirik | kd3? |
| 17:59.27 | kd3 | your afghan tornado pic |
| 17:59.46 | Shirik | scary? |
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| 17:59.58 | Flowy | hello |
| 17:59.59 | kd3 | I'm still trying to get past 'wtf?' |
| 18:00.05 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:00.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:00.15 | Fisker | i will become you kd3 |
| 18:00.15 | Flowy | how to make whisper "un"sticky by default? (after login) |
| 18:00.20 | Fisker | because Shirik responds to you |
| 18:01.04 | Shirik | I said hi Fisker |
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| 18:01.20 | Fisker | maybe you did |
| 18:01.22 | Fisker | but i never saw it |
| 18:01.35 | Flowy | I found this script but it dont work after reload |
| 18:01.47 | Flowy | /script ChatTypeInfo["CHANNEL"]={sticky=0} |
| 18:01.58 | amro | Shirik: isn't that exactly the same as puff the magic dragon? |
| 18:02.09 | Shirik | I don't know what puff the magic dragon is actually |
| 18:02.11 | amro | ac-130s with gatlings and 105mms |
| 18:02.20 | amro | it's exactly that |
| 18:02.35 | amro | except this one is probably more accurate |
| 18:05.03 | amro | no wait, the air force sucks |
| 18:05.15 | amro | it's different, but both were called ac-130 at some point |
| 18:10.59 | Gagorian | nah, the vietnam war puff the magic dragons were ac-47's |
| 18:13.04 | Fisker | air forces don't suck |
| 18:15.01 | zenzelezz | is there no neutral innkeeper in Shattrath? |
| 18:15.16 | Ackis | http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2010/aug/cat_abortion |
| 18:15.19 | Ackis | wtf |
| 18:15.25 | Ackis | people have issues with cat abortions |
| 18:15.28 | kd3 | scryer/aldor/...the one on the bottom level? |
| 18:15.30 | Ackis | I didn't even know they existed |
| 18:15.45 | zenzelezz | kd3: do you recall where in Lower City? |
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| 18:16.17 | Ackis | nicoli_s: http://www.petmd.com/sites/default/files/purging.jpg |
| 18:16.48 | kd3 | er, no. the world's end tavern doesn't have an innkeeper iirc |
| 18:17.00 | zenzelezz | ah... thanks anyway then |
| 18:17.09 | nicoli_s | ahha ackis |
| 18:17.23 | nicoli_s | we just had to take our kitty ravioli to the vet this mornng |
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| 18:17.47 | Ackis | check up time? |
| 18:17.56 | nicoli_s | yah, plus she has an eye infection |
| 18:18.01 | Ackis | aww |
| 18:18.04 | nicoli_s | one of the other kitties scratched the crap out of her eye |
| 18:18.09 | Ackis | I'm taking all 5 of ours in soon |
| 18:18.12 | Ackis | next month or two |
| 18:18.15 | Ackis | 5 at once |
| 18:18.17 | Ackis | should be fun |
| 18:18.20 | Fisker | i'm sick Ackis |
| 18:18.23 | Fisker | sick sick sick sick sick |
| 18:19.16 | zenzelezz | kd3: ah, seems it didn't matter... the Aldor innkeeper didn't mind me even though I had not sided with them (nor Scryer) yet |
| 18:19.22 | nicoli_s | Ackis:we just got this thing here called care credit, so we got a no interest CC for kitty bills |
| 18:19.53 | Ackis | oh neat |
| 18:19.59 | Fisker | lower city has an innkeeper kd3 |
| 18:20.17 | Fisker | it's east of world's end tavern as far as i know |
| 18:20.41 | zenzelezz | damnit... the portal to Isle of Quel'Danas won't let me through, and the flight path just says there is "no direct flight path" :-| |
| 18:20.48 | Fisker | baw |
| 18:21.58 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/OfficialGoogleDocsBlog/~3/ARwTpxXESfc/new-curve-tool-for-drawings.html |
| 18:22.43 | Adys | http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2010/08/joint-policy-proposal-for-open-internet.html |
| 18:23.20 | nicoli_s | if anyone likes good ambient, tripped out music, check out: http://pitchfork.com/news/39696-two-animal-collective-ioddsaci-songs/ |
| 18:23.25 | Fisker | old |
| 18:25.04 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: You can fly there from the Zul Aman flight if you know that one. |
| 18:25.14 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.59 | Lunessa | foxlit: Reading random political commentary ? |
| 18:26.05 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: hm... I'll try that, thanks! |
| 18:26.11 | Fisker | http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2010/08/joint-policy-proposal-for-open-internet.html |
| 18:26.15 | foxlit | Lunessa: comments on Adys' link. |
| 18:26.25 | foxlit | ^ |
| 18:27.02 | Adys | i do find the whole wireless thing odd |
| 18:27.40 | Fisker | foxlit no Fisker's link |
| 18:27.50 | Adys | but who gives a shit honestly. it's silly to think it's "the future" when it costs ISPs multiple thousands times more to run those than to run cable |
| 18:28.13 | foxlit | /care about US, tbh. |
| 18:28.24 | krka | i'll just create my own international network of computers, with blackjack and hookers |
| 18:28.32 | krka | in fact, forget about the network |
| 18:28.38 | Fisker | and the blackjack |
| 18:29.53 | Lunessa | I'm amused when people think network access doesn't cost shit-tons of cash in infrastructure. And that they think someone will do it "for free." |
| 18:30.20 | foxlit | I'm amused that people have a strong aversion to "socialism" |
| 18:30.54 | Lunessa | foxlit: I do. :) But I'm a rugged individualist with a strong interest in personal sovereignty. |
| 18:31.06 | foxlit | On this level? |
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| 18:31.17 | Lunessa | On network levels? |
| 18:31.31 | foxlit | I doubt that private enterprise pays for road construction. Government may as well build out the network infrastructure. |
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| 18:32.24 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: the word is so loaded up with false meanings by propaganda, most people don't even know what theyre talking about when they use it. |
| 18:32.34 | Shirik | best error ever |
| 18:32.35 | NightHawkTheSane | (and most people dont even use it properly) |
| 18:32.42 | Shirik | ((IEnumerable)subElements),results:Only Enumerable types can have Results View |
| 18:32.45 | Lunessa | foxlit: Actually, in the US the government leases out all the broadcast spectra. And usually roads are done by local and state governments, with big funding from Unca Sugar. |
| 18:33.26 | foxlit | Selling rights to wireless spectrum is hardly "building infrastructure" |
| 18:34.18 | Fisker | i may not know what socialism is but that doesn't stop me from using it as an argument |
| 18:36.25 | foxlit | Seems to me like those same local and state governments should be laying fibre and leasing it out to ISPs. |
| 18:36.57 | foxlit | Yet whenever "municipal internet" appears in headlines, it seems that it is because some ISP is whining about it. |
| 18:37.14 | Lunessa | foxlit: My comment meant that the US government claims ownership over the spectra. |
| 18:37.32 | foxlit | Practically all governments do |
| 18:37.37 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 18:38.34 | Lunessa | Also, here, and maybe not in all places, but local and state governments do this sort of work pretty poorly. If they want an municipal network, they really should hire someone really good at it to build/maintain it. |
| 18:39.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: but that's not exclusive with having the government owning the network |
| 18:40.14 | Lunessa | But, I /prefer/ private ownership of most things. I'm for public ownership of things only where it's /demonstrably/ better. And I'm not sure the case has been made for internet access networks. |
| 18:41.00 | NightHawkTheSane | eh. I think we're at a point where internet access (and, thus the network infrastructure) is at public utility status, on par with water, electric, sewer, etc. |
| 18:41.27 | NightHawkTheSane | The government can certainly contract out to private firms to build/operate/maintain the infrastructure & service, but ultimately it should be publically owned & regulated. |
| 18:42.49 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I'm not sure that's true. Though it might be like phone access where some level of ubiquity is provided by a mandated fee to all users so that otherwise financially disincentivized areas can get coverage. |
| 18:43.10 | Lunessa | I |
| 18:43.57 | Lunessa | I'm not disagreeing that network access should be available to everyone. Just not entirely sure I'm ready to swallow the pill of government ownership. :) |
| 18:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | seeing as I know we'll just go back and forth on this for a while, I'll just skip to the end, say "I respectfully disagree" and call it good ;) |
| 18:45.33 | Lunessa | We're not as far apart as you seem to think. :) |
| 18:46.56 | NightHawkTheSane | probably not, but i'm also not really in the mood to launch into an extended discussion :) |
| 18:46.58 | Ackis | interesting... target and best buy have given donations to politicians who are anti-homosexual ($250k currently) |
| 18:47.16 | nicoli_s | Ackis:yeah them plus best buy are being boycotted because of it |
| 18:48.08 | NightHawkTheSane | if i recall correctly, best buy is pretty much entirely in bed with conservative lawmakers, as far as donations go. |
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| 18:48.46 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: So is most of corporate america. |
| 18:48.46 | nicoli_s | hell pretty much all those companies are just in bed with whoever paid them the most and most recently |
| 18:49.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: true, but target has at least some history of donations to generally progressive politicians |
| 18:49.27 | nicoli_s | there is such a thing as progressive Us politicians? |
| 18:49.31 | nicoli_s | cant believe it |
| 18:49.39 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: *nod* Too much money is required in our current system - meaning you really /can/ buy influence. *sigh* |
| 18:49.49 | kd3 | oh, geez. fail. I hit 82 off exploration xp |
| 18:49.50 | kd3 | sighs |
| 18:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | grats? |
| 18:50.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, that's a huge problem |
| 18:51.01 | DWSR | Hey, for the final battle against the Zerg, which did you pick to neutralize, air or ground? |
| 18:51.14 | Fisker | i picked air |
| 18:51.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i picked your mom. |
| 18:51.28 | DWSR | Yeah, I was thinking air too. Nydus worms are kinda lulzy, tbh. |
| 18:51.33 | Fisker | i banned you for trolling NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:51.36 | DWSR | LOLSIEGETANKS |
| 18:51.38 | DWSR | win |
| 18:51.54 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: *nod* to quote a crappy movie, "It doesn't take charisma to get elected. It takes /money/." |
| 18:51.56 | Fisker | well nydus worms increase the amount of spawns the longer they are alive |
| 18:52.14 | Fisker | would probably have chosen nydus a second time around |
| 18:52.15 | Fisker | but idk |
| 18:52.24 | Spejnar | while broodlords outrange turrets and are also annoying |
| 18:52.30 | DWSR | ^ |
| 18:52.50 | Fisker | battlecruiser operational |
| 18:52.56 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:53.08 | Spejnar | upgraded vikings with 11 range and splash, pewpew |
| 18:53.09 | DWSR | I love the battlecruisers. |
| 18:53.09 | NightHawkTheSane | shakes his fist at our graphic designer leaving before finishing html/css for these mockups. |
| 18:53.11 | DWSR | OH REALLY? |
| 18:53.34 | DWSR | I really miss firebats in multi. |
| 18:53.36 | DWSR | Like...really. |
| 18:53.42 | Fisker | get the hyperion Spejnar |
| 18:53.50 | Fisker | much more better than vikings and battlecruisers |
| 18:56.36 | Dashkal | Kill the air. Worms can be blown to hell with a yamato or two. And the waves are dogmeat to a wall of siege tanks |
| 18:58.53 | cbreak | the underground mission was fun |
| 18:59.09 | Dashkal | It was pretty cool. I was glad they let you go back and do it after all in |
| 18:59.40 | Dagmar | Underground mission? |
| 18:59.42 | cbreak | but the one after it is really hard |
| 18:59.58 | cbreak | kerigan is overpowered |
| 19:00.05 | Dagmar | Ah I'll figure it out later. I actualy have 26/26 or whatever it is |
| 19:00.08 | cbreak | plopping my battle cruisers like soap bubbles |
| 19:00.09 | Dashkal | Dagmar: If you kill ground, you get an underground mission. |
| 19:00.16 | Dashkal | Load your "All In Victory" save |
| 19:00.24 | Dashkal | The missions you didn't do show up now. |
| 19:00.30 | Spejnar | cbreak: use a group of 40 marines dedicated to killing kerrigan |
| 19:00.34 | Dashkal | Bonus: You get your endgame tech for them. |
| 19:01.27 | Dagmar | Dashkal: "kill ground"? That makes even less sense. I'm pretty sure I've seen all the missions tho (including the 'secret' research lab mission) |
| 19:01.29 | cbreak | and the flying level 10 psionic entity flying zerg is a monster |
| 19:01.54 | cbreak | before you defend the artefact, you get to kill the nydus network |
| 19:02.04 | cbreak | if you do it, you do that by going underground and setting off nukes |
| 19:02.16 | Dagmar | Oh that fork towards the end |
| 19:02.27 | cbreak | one of your four heroes has the "Ph. D." Rank :) |
| 19:02.29 | Dagmar | Now I get what you're talking about |
| 19:02.50 | Fisker | http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=12580167469287121534&q=Valve+Software,+10500+NE+8th+St,+Bellevue,+WA+98004-4345&hl=en&cd=1&ei=_k9gTLPYNYKwyQX3jMD2Dw&sig2=H4RQvU9juSXeCZ3ER53WYg&dtab=2&pcsi=12580167469287121534,1&geocode=FWmJ1gIdeni3-A&sll=47.645488,-122.197159&sspn=0.074821,0.008066&ie=UTF8&ll=47.717385,-122.335167&spn=0,0&z=12&iwloc=A <-my lold face |
| 19:03.03 | Dashkal | Dagmar: There were three points where you had so select one or the other of two missions... yeah, that :P |
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| 19:03.40 | foxlit | "cbreak: kerigan is overpowered" << true regardless of which choices you make |
| 19:04.09 | cbreak | maybe I should not try to do that level on hard |
| 19:04.16 | Dagmar | Meh. 4-5 battlecruisers will shut her up |
| 19:04.17 | Dashkal | I played all in on casual... Pack of battlecruisers. 5x yamato. |
| 19:04.18 | foxlit | on brutal, np! |
| 19:04.29 | foxlit | She one-shots cruisers, btw. |
| 19:04.35 | Dashkal | She has to reach them first :P |
| 19:04.36 | Dagmar | That's why you send more than one. |
| 19:04.51 | Dashkal | But she was generally busy blowing up my siege tanks |
| 19:05.13 | foxlit | My experience is that she'll eat whatever number of yamatos you throw at her, though they certainly help. |
| 19:05.30 | cbreak | she has 2500 hp or so |
| 19:05.41 | Dashkal | I'm told she has immortal style armor (damage cap). I need to have a look at her unit and confirm/deny that. If so, yamatos are a bit of a waste |
| 19:05.51 | cbreak | I blew her to pieces a few times with battle cruisers, but my losses were always huge |
| 19:06.16 | Dashkal | Marines do make a lot of sense. Her attacks, while super powerful, are mostly one-on-one. |
| 19:06.29 | foxlit | I thought there was some AOE |
| 19:06.41 | foxlit | There was some odd yellow cloud looking thing |
| 19:06.49 | Dashkal | *nods* It's psi storm like |
| 19:06.52 | Dashkal | don't stand in the fire |
| 19:06.59 | foxlit | But, generally, she suffers from the zomg-kill-it-now-don't-waste-time-looking-at-it syndrome |
| 19:07.32 | Dashkal | I've only played the mission the once so I'm not really sure if it was my yamatos that were blowing her up or just the wall of defenders I had there |
| 19:07.40 | Dashkal | It was fun tanking her with ultralisks |
| 19:08.54 | nicoli_s | man that is like the 5th time i have typoed portrait today |
| 19:10.39 | DWSR | By the way, Psi Disrupters > * |
| 19:10.42 | DWSR | Holy jesus. |
| 19:10.44 | olafski | hot damn I forgot all about those zerg slowing defenses I had, thanks for the reminder dashkal :P |
| 19:10.52 | olafski | just finished the campaign though so it doesn't matter anymore |
| 19:11.28 | DWSR | Fully upgraded missile turrets. |
| 19:11.32 | DWSR | Can take on 4 mutas at once. |
| 19:11.33 | DWSR | Win. |
| 19:12.06 | olafski | I wonder what the point is of starting lines with a capital letter and ending them in a period if you're not going to write proper sentences |
| 19:12.15 | DWSR | Habit, mostly. |
| 19:12.30 | olafski | a despicable habit if you ask me.. but you probably won't ask me |
| 19:12.35 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 19:12.54 | olafski | I think I'm quite alone in disliking periods at the end of sentences on irc ;) |
| 19:13.03 | DWSR | Most likely. |
| 19:13.15 | DWSR | I could start putting semi-colons, if you like; |
| 19:13.16 | DWSR | ;) |
| 19:13.26 | olafski | that'll keep me on the edge of my seat! |
| 19:13.32 | olafski | always expecting you to say another line ;) |
| 19:13.57 | olafski | I used to have some script that stripped periods at the end and made all messages lowercase |
| 19:14.10 | olafski | wonder if something similar exists for irssi |
| 19:19.55 | NightHawkTheSane | so.. |
| 19:19.59 | NightHawkTheSane | pho takeout is pretty weird |
| 19:21.22 | NightHawkTheSane | I got a 2/3 full container of near-boiling broth, a plastic bag of sliced meat, and a takeout container of noodles, onions, bean sprouts, and herbs. |
| 19:22.02 | nevcairiel | food to assemble yourself? |
| 19:22.14 | Shirik_ | \o cb o/ |
| 19:22.22 | NightHawkTheSane | pretty much. but it ensures it's very fresh |
| 19:22.53 | olafski | what's pho? |
| 19:23.04 | foxlit | But it'll grow colder unless you assemble it soon? |
| 19:23.19 | nevcairiel | hail the food assembler |
| 19:23.49 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: vietnamese noodle soup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph%E1%BB%9F |
| 19:24.03 | olafski | I like it already |
| 19:24.11 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah, basically, food like this isn't really meant to sit around for a long time :P |
| 19:24.20 | olafski | ooh I get hungry just seeing those pictures ;D |
| 19:24.27 | foxlit | So it seems strange that they want you to assemble it yourself |
| 19:24.49 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: it keeps the noodles & meat from overcooking in the hot broth |
| 19:24.53 | nevcairiel | sounds like you just throw everything into the broth |
| 19:24.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 19:24.56 | nevcairiel | and start eating |
| 19:24.57 | olafski | if that meat is raw, I imagine you'll want to put it in when you're home so it doesn't go well-done |
| 19:25.00 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: exactly |
| 19:25.08 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: yep |
| 19:25.14 | olafski | mm rare meat |
| 19:26.02 | laeg | has anyone found beql disables the shift+linking of quests from the log? |
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| 19:32.22 | olafski | jeez my router is weird.. when I enter facebook.com, it directs me to myspace.com now :P |
| 19:32.41 | Dagmar | Check your nameserver settings. They've probably been messed with. |
| 19:32.46 | zenzelezz | apparently a Swedish woman took offense from this: http://media.e24.no/archive/01319/_Jarlsberg_jpg_1319205z.jpg (guess you need to understand Swedish) |
| 19:33.18 | Spejnar | zenzelezz: well its kinda true but taking offense, tell her to stfu |
| 19:33.32 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: .. yeah. not understanding the swedish, i can't say i really understand it |
| 19:33.33 | zenzelezz | I love ads like that |
| 19:33.55 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: ad for cheese with holes, the text says "The tastes is in the holes" |
| 19:34.02 | zenzelezz | *taste |
| 19:34.34 | olafski | dagmar: how do they get messed with exactly? just wondering :< |
| 19:34.42 | olafski | it only happens on my laptop btw |
| 19:37.06 | alestane | Lunessa (Cairenn, et al.): http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19427.html |
| 19:37.19 | olafski | have to say I'm really not happy with this router.. the wireless keeps dropping, after it's been on for about a week I can't access the settings page anymore and it does this random dns stuff |
| 19:37.20 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:37.39 | Lunessa | alestane: ... you know, I never considered trolling there... |
| 19:37.45 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: oh man, that's awesome. |
| 19:37.56 | alestane | trawling, wouldn't it be? |
| 19:38.22 | alestane | What sort of router, olafski? |
| 19:39.17 | olafski | hrm. let me look that up :P |
| 19:39.26 | olafski | it's some linksys thing |
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| 19:39.44 | alestane | I found my Linksys router was much improved by the installation of DD-WRT. |
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| 19:40.12 | olafski | yeah I've heard people tell me to do that.. and other people said I shouldn't do it if it does what I want out of the box |
| 19:40.25 | olafski | clearly it doesn't so maybe I should.. but last I checked there was only a beta version of dd-wrt available for this model |
| 19:40.29 | alestane | Which it doesn't sound like it is. |
| 19:40.32 | olafski | looks like a WRT120N |
| 19:40.49 | olafski | I'm a little hesitant installing beta firmware |
| 19:41.02 | alestane | Dunno. Mine is a fairly standard WRT54GS. |
| 19:41.03 | cralor | hmm... if i try to grab X/Y values of a Rune (RuneButtonIndividualX), i get nil :S anyway around this? |
| 19:41.03 | Dagmar | Just REMEMBER TO CHANGE THE DAMN PASSWORD |
| 19:41.24 | Lunessa | alestane: http://clientsfromhell.net/post/922573883/people-say-you-should-be-happy-with-what-you-get |
| 19:41.33 | olafski | dagmar: the wifi password? done that ;) |
| 19:42.03 | olafski | and I set it to not allow access to the management page from outside the local net and only with https, guess that should be ok |
| 19:42.55 | alestane | But back before I side-graded mine, I would have to powercycle it around once a month...I don't remember ever having to since. |
| 19:43.02 | olafski | hmm |
| 19:43.06 | olafski | sounds good :) |
| 19:43.26 | olafski | the last 8 years all I had to do to get online was plug an ethernat cable in the wall |
| 19:43.27 | NightHawkTheSane | dd-wrt needs to support the e3000 >< |
| 19:43.30 | laeg | does anyone know the name of the addon that would let you click on linked co-ords from lightheaded which would then plot it as a way point and show and arrow on your screen in the direction to go? |
| 19:43.37 | alestane | I liked http://clientsfromhell.net/post/917896242/client-sent-me-some-complex-logos-as-jpegs-in better, Lunessa. |
| 19:43.39 | olafski | 100mbit up/down for 10 euro, I'm losing out in every way now :P |
| 19:43.43 | NightHawkTheSane | laeg: tomtom |
| 19:44.24 | laeg | NightHawkTheSane: ty |
| 19:45.16 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, hm.. looks like they DO support the e3000, pretty recently though |
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| 19:46.25 | olafski | and it looks like mine isn't a 120N, since that one just says not supported on the dd-wrt site |
| 19:46.33 | olafski | I remember it said something about beta only.. though maybe they just revoked that |
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| 19:49.24 | Dagmar | Seriously. Remmeber to change your password after you install DD-WRT. |
| 19:50.13 | Dagmar | Last week I went to look up a few more details on the things and I found that remotely reflashing them is a lot easier than removing dhpot |
| 19:50.22 | olafski | heh |
| 19:50.34 | olafski | well, nice project to try this week I guess |
| 19:50.36 | Dagmar | Whether or not they work anymore after I do that is anyone's guess |
| 19:50.39 | olafski | is it hard to install that / easy to mess up? |
| 19:50.54 | Dagmar | It's actully pretty easy to install dd-wrt as things like that go |
| 19:50.56 | alestane | Not as long as you can follow directions. |
| 19:51.06 | olafski | my gf is out a few nights this week, so I'll have some peace to try it :) |
| 19:51.23 | alestane | Just read the directions all the way through first, to make sure you don't jump to any conclusions. |
| 19:51.30 | olafski | I got dizzy just seeing the download options for dd-wrt ;) |
| 19:51.36 | Dagmar | ...but if you leave the default password in htere and enable remote admin, the dhpot worm will find you, and then when it scans my doorstep, I take your ap offline |
| 19:53.28 | olafski | oO |
| 19:54.01 | Dagmar | I've disabled about thirty of them this year so far |
| 19:54.15 | olafski | to what end? |
| 19:54.34 | Dagmar | Culling the numbers of unsecured relay points being abused by worms on the internet |
| 19:54.44 | olafski | man just seeing how long that "peacock" thread is makes me think this is over my head :P |
| 19:54.53 | olafski | I'm probably just too impatient |
| 19:55.03 | Dagmar | Some of the newer units are a right bitch to reflash. |
| 19:55.54 | Dagmar | ...but it comes down to the hardest part being finding the docs that apply to how to flash your particular hardware. |
| 19:56.01 | cralor | arggg... http://pastey.net/139392 "attempt to perform arithmetic on local origin_y (a nil value)" O_O |
| 19:56.32 | Dagmar | Usually the worst case is simply having to set up a TFTP/BOOTP server. Jtag doesn't count because that's the point at which you should probably just bin the thing |
| 19:56.41 | cralor | 'print(origin_y)' returns 'nil' |
| 19:56.48 | cralor | anyone got advice? |
| 19:57.06 | olafski | just a guess, but shouldn't that be runes[1].GetBottom() or something? |
| 19:57.18 | olafski | note I have no clue what you're trying to do nor how you would have to do that |
| 19:57.20 | cralor | PlayerFrame:GetBottom() works fine |
| 19:57.25 | olafski | hmm |
| 19:57.30 | olafski | is runes[1] nil? |
| 19:57.35 | cralor | well, I am trying to implement Padding for the runes |
| 19:57.37 | olafski | I assume not so |
| 19:57.47 | NightHawkTheSane | if runes[1] was nil, that call would fail, and not the operation on origin_y |
| 19:57.53 | olafski | myea |
| 19:57.59 | cralor | and I need the coordinates of the first rune |
| 19:58.01 | NightHawkTheSane | for whatever reason, runes[1]:GetBottom() is returning nil. |
| 19:58.04 | cralor | right |
| 19:58.13 | olafski | !api getbottom |
| 19:58.15 | cralor | and that's just my syntax of RuneButtonIndividual1 |
| 19:58.15 | olafski | does that work? |
| 19:59.06 | olafski | man he still has that "search with google" thing to not automatically disappear if you focus the search field ;( |
| 19:59.27 | cralor | does what work? |
| 19:59.37 | olafski | the !api command :) |
| 19:59.44 | cralor | ~api GetBottom |
| 19:59.45 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBottom |
| 20:01.10 | olafski | ah I thought there was one to look on wowprogramming.com |
| 20:01.21 | cralor | !api GetBottom |
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| 20:01.30 | cralor | not sure |
| 20:01.42 | cralor | oh |
| 20:01.55 | cralor | lua_bot isn't around |
| 20:02.24 | olafski | ah that's it :) |
| 20:03.34 | olafski | wowwiki doesn't list any case in which that method would return nil |
| 20:03.50 | olafski | ( http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Region_GetBottom ) |
| 20:03.51 | cralor | Yeah I saw. It's just supposed to return coordinates |
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| 20:04.04 | cralor | let me try something |
| 20:05.00 | cralor | alrighty. |
| 20:05.17 | cralor | i found the problem... somehow that error is causing the runes not to be shown so i can't even fix it |
| 20:05.39 | cralor | i'm goign to try deleting my SV's |
| 20:08.53 | olafski | hm the actual flashing doesn't look very difficult :P though I think I'll want to read all of that stuff before I try it +) |
| 20:10.16 | olafski | man I love clientsfrom hell :P |
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| 20:14.08 | olafski | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/907900906/client-and-id-like-to-offer-the-website-in <-- this one doesn't seem _that_ unreasonable |
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| 20:33.21 | alestane | GetBottom will return nil if the frame is not properly anchored. |
| 20:34.08 | Cide | olafski, yes it does |
| 20:37.23 | Cide | translating a website isn't a trivial task |
| 20:37.50 | Shadowed | i18n is awesome |
| 20:37.55 | Shadowed | especially when you do it with Javascript |
| 20:38.48 | alestane | Cide, I did find out that while Python doesn't have ===, it does have "is". |
| 20:38.58 | Cide | yup |
| 20:39.06 | alestane | Which is only a true comparison if they're the same actual object. |
| 20:39.50 | Cide | yup |
| 20:40.01 | Cide | I wasn't really sure if it did that |
| 20:40.12 | Cide | it's rarely used for anything but True, False and None |
| 20:40.22 | Cide | (which is good design) |
| 20:40.26 | Cide | (to not use it) |
| 20:41.55 | olafski | cide: I meant the request itself isn't that unreasonable |
| 20:42.09 | olafski | can't expect it to be cheap but it sounds like a marketing trick that might work |
| 20:42.21 | Cide | it's not unreasonable in that it's perfectly valid request IN GENERAL |
| 20:42.29 | Cide | but the client's use was pretty damn stupid if you ask me |
| 20:42.54 | Cide | I think you'd be better off trying to sell in that the restaurant is italian *in english* |
| 20:42.57 | olafski | if it increases their profit it's fine ;) |
| 20:43.10 | olafski | even if it's just the profit of the guy making the website |
| 20:43.43 | olafski | no wait in that case the designer is still stupid.. not sure how I'd respond to a request like that, knowing it would cost my client more than it would benefit them |
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| 20:44.48 | olafski | gotta love that site.. every time someone mentions it here I just load up the front page and read until I see something I saw before +) |
| 20:44.54 | alestane | You give them a quote. |
| 20:45.00 | alestane | And a schedule. |
| 20:45.09 | alestane | Usually they decide it's not worth it. |
| 20:46.48 | olafski | sure.. but I generally also consider it "my job" to advise them if I think some decision is terrible |
| 20:47.40 | alestane | You can append "I'm not sure this will have the effect you anticipate." |
| 20:48.14 | jnwhiteh | Has anyone added tutorial entries for their own addons? Is it a pain to do this? |
| 20:48.35 | alestane | ...can you do that? |
| 20:48.36 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: what do you mean? an instruction manual? |
| 20:48.44 | jnwhiteh | alestane: that's what I'm asking |
| 20:48.53 | jnwhiteh | Just 'oh, you've opened this window.. here's what you can do with it' |
| 20:49.07 | olafski | alestane: yeah, something along those lines :) |
| 20:49.24 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: I wrote some stuff like that, detailed instructions in game, it wasn't window specific, just a section within the addon that you could reference in game |
| 20:50.26 | sylvanaar | jnwhiteh: wim did it |
| 20:50.29 | Lunessa | Recount has/had instructional tooltips - some of those were looooooong |
| 20:51.20 | alestane | Are you wondering if you can hook into the mechanisms used for the stock UI's tutorials? |
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| 21:13.47 | DWSR | Wait. |
| 21:13.50 | DWSR | HE SAVES KERRIGAN? |
| 21:14.07 | DWSR | And Tychus clearly gets infested. |
| 21:14.37 | Dashkal | spoilier much? |
| 21:15.07 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 21:15.09 | DWSR | why? |
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| 21:15.47 | foxlit | yes, no, maybe |
| 21:16.00 | DWSR | I noticed she still had the zerg bone-hair deal. |
| 21:16.27 | foxlit | It's weird, though. I'd presume they need her as the queen of blades, not as sarah. |
| 21:16.45 | Dashkal | That hair hints that she will still control (at least part of) the zerg |
| 21:17.06 | DWSR | ^ |
| 21:17.13 | DWSR | imo. |
| 21:17.21 | DWSR | btw, Psi Disrupters are rape for the last mission. |
| 21:17.58 | foxlit | Not sure I'm willing to read that much into it, but that's probably how it's going to work for story reasons anyway |
| 21:17.59 | Dashkal | I'm expecting another cerebtate to pop out of hiding, but that's pure speculation. The Dark voice will certainly control a faction. |
| 21:18.24 | DWSR | And clearly Raynor didn't kill Tychus. |
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| 21:18.53 | Dashkal | Erm? That's laid out explicitly. Tychus is dead. |
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| 21:18.59 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 21:19.01 | Dashkal | Read the single-player screen after you complete it. |
| 21:19.50 | alestane | Do I read correctly that set literals are not legal Python in versions preceding 2.7? |
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| 21:22.10 | Dashkal | I liked my hive mind for the final mission. Being able to simply gank their heavy units was amazing. |
| 21:22.37 | Dashkal | Though I'll be rethining that for higher difficulties. I won't have time to micro the tower then. |
| 21:22.42 | DWSR | Dashkal: Yeah. |
| 21:22.49 | DWSR | That's why I liked the Disrupter. |
| 21:22.52 | DWSR | Set it and forget it. |
| 21:23.04 | DWSR | Also, it tends to keep the lings from ever reaching your bunkers. |
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| 21:23.37 | Dashkal | Which is definitely nice. I kept having to rebuild those after each pass. |
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| 21:23.48 | Dashkal | Though I think I just didn't have enough siege tanks |
| 21:24.11 | Dashkal | I was foolish. I took out the air then went for a heavy BC build anyway. |
| 21:24.30 | Dashkal | Should have gone tanks and banshees with only a small group of BCs for worm killing |
| 21:24.45 | DWSR | Yeah, thats' what I did. |
| 21:24.53 | DWSR | Except I just used shees for worm killing. |
| 21:24.55 | DWSR | Cloak ftw. |
| 21:25.02 | Dashkal | That definitely works as well |
| 21:25.13 | DWSR | On normal I ended up with enough spare resources to probably have been able to take out the zerg bases on the map. |
| 21:25.13 | Dashkal | At least on casual, worms are a one-shot to the cannon |
| 21:25.14 | DWSR | But heh. |
| 21:25.22 | DWSR | I loved watching worms pop up in my base. |
| 21:25.24 | DWSR | LOLDEAD |
| 21:25.40 | foxlit | Don't bash BCs :) |
| 21:25.42 | DWSR | On normal, it takes 3 shots from an upgraded cannon. |
| 21:25.50 | DWSR | foxlit: For the final mission, they're pretty useless. |
| 21:25.58 | foxlit | I finished Brutal with BCs. |
| 21:25.59 | DWSR | I barely touched mine. |
| 21:26.11 | foxlit | (Shatter the Sky) |
| 21:26.13 | Dashkal | I wouldn't go that far. A pack of them with a science vessel or two for backup is devistating |
| 21:26.13 | DWSR | Oh, btw, Kerrigan does not have Immortal style armor. |
| 21:26.20 | Dashkal | Oh good |
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| 21:26.26 | Dashkal | Then I'm sticking iwth mass yamato for her |
| 21:26.36 | DWSR | Dashkal: Oh, you got the science vessel? |
| 21:26.40 | DWSR | I picked up the Raven instead. |
| 21:26.46 | foxlit | Science vessel > raven |
| 21:26.50 | DWSR | Super fun for the mission on Korhal. |
| 21:26.58 | DWSR | foxlit: For the final mission? Yeah, undoubtedly. |
| 21:26.58 | foxlit | At least for my playstyle. |
| 21:28.09 | DWSR | I just used a bunch of siege tanks. |
| 21:28.12 | DWSR | Nom. |
| 21:28.25 | DWSR | I would not choose air over ground for that final mission though |
| 21:28.26 | DWSR | Jesus tits. |
| 21:28.27 | foxlit | There's a lot of that, too. |
| 21:28.30 | DWSR | The worms are so easy. |
| 21:28.48 | Dashkal | DWSR: I won't even consider the raven. Floating repair bots are just too awesome |
| 21:28.57 | DWSR | yeah, truly. |
| 21:28.58 | foxlit | On the other hand, they lack upgrades |
| 21:29.07 | foxlit | So most of the time, science vessels are out of energy |
| 21:29.09 | DWSR | Though, I picked up Regenerative Biosteel. |
| 21:29.10 | Dashkal | The catch? I have no cluea how to tuse the raven in MP now :( |
| 21:29.29 | foxlit | Mobile detector, seeker versus hydralisk masses. |
| 21:29.34 | DWSR | ^ |
| 21:29.49 | foxlit | If your opponent is an idiot, you can fly around and turret their mineral lines |
| 21:29.51 | DWSR | Does the point defense drone work vs. nukes? |
| 21:29.55 | foxlit | no |
| 21:29.58 | Dashkal | Yeah, I need to practice that some. I usually go with simple balance groups (I play mostly coop, competative is not really fun for me) |
| 21:29.59 | DWSR | too bad. |
| 21:30.12 | Dashkal | So vikings/banshees. Battlecruisers. Marines/Thors. |
| 21:30.15 | foxlit | Ravens work against nukes, though. Find ghost, turret. |
| 21:30.26 | Dashkal | *nods* That I need to learn for sure |
| 21:30.47 | foxlit | Although, if you're terran, not like you're overly concerned about nukes |
| 21:30.55 | foxlit | The hardest part is finding the dot |
| 21:31.13 | DWSR | SS and gg |
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| 21:33.49 | foxlit | Coop is a bit meh, though |
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| 21:33.58 | foxlit | You can win by playing the metagame versus the AI, though |
| 21:34.09 | foxlit | , though. |
| 21:34.12 | Dashkal | The problem is the emotional hit I take for losing outweights the thrill from winning. a 50% win rate is a losing deal for me. |
| 21:34.27 | foxlit | I highly recommend 3v3 :0 |
| 21:34.30 | foxlit | s/0/)/ |
| 21:34.46 | foxlit | If you're losing, chances are you can find some teammate that you can blame. |
| 21:35.02 | Dashkal | *nods* If I do do multiplayer, 3v3 will be the way to go. I much prefer team games. |
| 21:35.25 | Dashkal | Mostly beccause it lets me specialize much more than I otherwise could. |
| 21:35.36 | Shirik | perforce has finally failed me |
| 21:35.46 | Dashkal | I also need to not suck as zerg. |
| 21:35.50 | Dashkal | Wow do I suck as zerg |
| 21:35.52 | Shirik | nah |
| 21:35.54 | Shirik | play terran |
| 21:35.59 | foxlit | play random. |
| 21:36.00 | Shirik | zerg is evil |
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| 21:36.09 | Shirik | play random but hope for terran |
| 21:36.12 | Dashkal | Zerg will require me to learn counters far better than I have |
| 21:36.31 | foxlit | I think out of my random matchups, I have the least terran victories. |
| 21:36.32 | Dashkal | I can't yet look at an enemy base with a drone scout and have a clue what's comming. |
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| 21:36.49 | Dashkal | 'toss I like, but I'm still best with Terran |
| 21:37.00 | foxlit | Note that zerg have less units |
| 21:37.04 | Dashkal | Warp prisim with a probe in it + 6GW is imba |
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| 21:37.30 | Dashkal | Hi, I have a base complete with defenders in about 5 seconds |
| 21:38.00 | foxlit | I'm not sure, but it seems like the warp prism is a waste. |
| 21:38.27 | Dashkal | Lets you warp in units before your first pylon comes u |
| 21:38.28 | Dashkal | p |
| 21:38.35 | foxlit | Yes, but why bother? |
| 21:38.59 | foxlit | Send a probe directly, you're screwed even with your single warp-in of defense if something nasty comes along :) |
| 21:39.21 | Dashkal | Depends on what nasty is. If, for example, it lacks detectors, it's dogmeat |
| 21:39.37 | foxlit | Nothing ever lacks detectors past your first DT strike :) |
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| 21:40.05 | Dashkal | But last time I did it, it was to get a toehold on an ememy base. Prism with one probe and a couple DTs. Warped in 6 more. Air escort. |
| 21:40.13 | Dashkal | The probe made a pylon and that was that./ |
| 21:40.49 | Dashkal | I've never actually tested this: Do nydus works need to be built on creep? |
| 21:40.52 | DWSR | Besides, you can just drop the prism somewhere else and assemble your force somewhere that your enemy doesn't know about. |
| 21:41.06 | DWSR | Leave a small force in your main base, if your enemy sweeps or scouts you, he goes "lololol" |
| 21:41.14 | DWSR | Wham, then splat. Surprise attack coming from above. |
| 21:42.17 | DWSR | Lets you use a completely different unit type, too. |
| 21:42.34 | DWSR | Just show him that you're building moderate amounts of stalkers, warp in void rays. |
| 21:42.39 | DWSR | err, other way around, sorry.\ |
| 21:43.03 | Dashkal | *nods* That metagame I MUST get better at if I'm ever to do multiplayer |
| 21:43.14 | Dashkal | But I can't play it until I'm comfortable countering in the first place. |
| 21:43.18 | DWSR | If he's T, he'll probably build a bunch of vikings, which are breakfast for your stalkers. |
| 21:43.41 | Dashkal | I see stalkers and I immediately pull back and land out of site |
| 21:43.43 | Dashkal | sight* |
| 21:43.59 | DWSR | Or, show him carriers, but give him no air at all. |
| 21:44.04 | DWSR | Dashkal: Yeah, problem being blink. |
| 21:44.12 | zenzelezz | Mr. T pities the fool who charges his stalkers |
| 21:44.18 | foxlit | Dashkal: I've never actually tested this: Do nydus works need to be built on creep? << no |
| 21:44.21 | DWSR | no |
| 21:44.25 | Dashkal | Terrain is my friend. I'll go out of sight via a non-land route. |
| 21:44.27 | foxlit | You can spawn worms anywhere you have vision |
| 21:44.30 | Dashkal | foxlit: ooo, nifty. |
| 21:44.34 | DWSR | Yes, very. |
| 21:44.41 | Dashkal | Now if I could just survive as zerg to the point where that's useful |
| 21:44.48 | foxlit | But curse them for the rally point change. |
| 21:44.50 | Dashkal | The AIs first rush tends to decimate me |
| 21:44.59 | foxlit | What AI are we talking about? |
| 21:45.02 | DWSR | The thing I don't like about SC2 is the emphasis on rushing. |
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| 21:45.06 | Dashkal | Medium *sigh* |
| 21:45.09 | DWSR | Like, ALWAYS rushing. |
| 21:45.11 | DWSR | rushing rushing rushing. |
| 21:45.12 | foxlit | Medium doesn't rush. |
| 21:45.20 | foxlit | If anything, it masses units. |
| 21:45.20 | DWSR | yes it does. |
| 21:45.25 | Dashkal | s/rush/push |
| 21:45.33 | DWSR | Not always, but it does. |
| 21:45.35 | foxlit | My pet game is that I can get a second expansion before barracks on medium coop games |
| 21:45.52 | Dashkal | The first one tends to come right as I reach t2 as terran. And I survive it fine as them as I have a siege tank + bunker |
| 21:46.21 | DWSR | I've noticed that a st + mt + bunker seems to hold off approximately ANYTHING. |
| 21:46.25 | DWSR | Initially. |
| 21:46.38 | Kraps | so what happens on hard/insane? |
| 21:46.39 | Dashkal | Exactly. By the time the next push comes, my army is well into production |
| 21:47.02 | DWSR | Insane computers cheat hardcore. |
| 21:47.06 | DWSR | They gather resources faster. |
| 21:47.08 | foxlit | If you've got siege tanks, it isn't a rush :) |
| 21:47.11 | Dashkal | Then about the time it does come I begin to fail my macro game and float too much. Must work on that |
| 21:47.23 | Dashkal | foxlit: Yeah, I realize. s/rush/push |
| 21:48.03 | DWSR | I've had an insane computer rush me with 4 lings when I didn't even have enough minerals to build a warp gate as p |
| 21:48.10 | DWSR | Like, within a minute. |
| 21:48.15 | Dashkal | But rushes don't scare me much. I usually get my rax/bunker up pretty damn fast |
| 21:48.21 | foxlit | Play the replay |
| 21:48.28 | DWSR | Didn't save it. |
| 21:48.28 | Kraps | what always surprises me is that the ai will pull back if you might overwhelm them |
| 21:48.41 | foxlit | Cowards. |
| 21:48.45 | Dashkal | I love that about the AI. No stupid suicide pushes |
| 21:48.50 | Kraps | we've come a ways since red alert |
| 21:49.04 | DWSR | Dashkal: Actually, sometimes suicide pushes are what you need. |
| 21:49.24 | DWSR | If your economy is better than the opponents, if you can decimate his forces, you'll have a larger one the next time |
| 21:49.38 | Dashkal | DWSR: Oh definitely. I just find it cool that there's a choice there. |
| 21:49.45 | Dashkal | The AI no longer blindly dies to your tanks |
| 21:49.51 | DWSR | Just keep disrupting his economy. That the AI doesn't do that is sort of stupid. |
| 21:49.52 | Dashkal | It'll pull back then come back with a counter |
| 21:50.02 | DWSR | Dashkal: The AI always blindly dies to my tanks. |
| 21:50.08 | DWSR | I use ninja tanks. |
| 21:50.16 | Dashkal | Didn't in my last terran game. It pulled back then returned with mutas |
| 21:50.17 | DWSR | Place them on high ground. |
| 21:50.35 | DWSR | Playing campaign made me miss wraiths so hard. |
| 21:50.47 | foxlit | wraiths? |
| 21:50.48 | Dashkal | I love wraiths. |
| 21:50.51 | foxlit | ew! |
| 21:51.07 | DWSR | foxlit: Cloaking AA fighers with ground attacks? |
| 21:51.09 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:51.15 | Dashkal | I wouldn't love them in MP. They'd be dogmeat |
| 21:51.26 | Kraps | i miss the turrets on top of bunkers |
| 21:51.29 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 21:51.38 | foxlit | The ground attacks seemed kind of meh to me |
| 21:51.42 | DWSR | I miss having auto-repairing buildings and auto-repairing mech units. |
| 21:51.47 | Dashkal | 6x bunkers with turrets are fun |
| 21:51.49 | Kraps | as it is i hate building bunkers in MP |
| 21:51.50 | foxlit | If you want air superiority, vikings are awesome |
| 21:51.51 | DWSR | foxlit: They are, but they're useful for strafing. |
| 21:52.11 | foxlit | And the transform is useful against undefended outposts |
| 21:52.20 | DWSR | auto-repair for mech units is my single favourite upgrade in campaign |
| 21:52.24 | Dashkal | It was more the cloaking+ground that sold me. Being able to rush in, nuke the detetors, than go to town was pretty cool |
| 21:52.31 | Shirik | I miss using a command center to kill units |
| 21:52.36 | foxlit | Do that with banshees |
| 21:52.42 | Dashkal | I didn't take that one. But I had science vessels following every mech group around |
| 21:52.44 | DWSR | foxlit: Right, but you can't kill their air. |
| 21:52.51 | Dashkal | foxlit: overlords |
| 21:52.58 | foxlit | overseers, you mean. |
| 21:53.02 | Dashkal | both |
| 21:53.21 | Dashkal | Or whichcer detects. Point is air detectors suck |
| 21:53.22 | DWSR | overlords, transports, prisms, whatever. |
| 21:53.24 | foxlit | overlords aren't a threat to your "sneakily take out bases" tactic :) |
| 21:53.42 | Shirik | spawn more pylon depots |
| 21:54.10 | Legorol | lol |
| 21:54.23 | Dashkal | A wraith squadron obliterates the air detectors. Can deal with ground detectors (admittedly banshees work better for that) then go to town cleaning up the base |
| 21:54.40 | Shirik | wraith? |
| 21:54.50 | DWSR | I found myself relying on wraiths pretty heavily for missions with mixed defenses. |
| 21:54.58 | DWSR | Since they're flexible. |
| 21:55.00 | Dashkal | Shirik: single-player only unit |
| 21:55.02 | Legorol | you get to use Wraths from SC1 in the campaign, Shirik |
| 21:55.07 | DWSR | ^ |
| 21:55.13 | Shirik | I guess I haven't gotten that far |
| 21:55.15 | DWSR | Except now they do barrel rolls. |
| 21:55.17 | Shirik | I really haven't done much campaign |
| 21:55.22 | Legorol | loadsa familiar SC1 units make a comeback |
| 21:55.29 | DWSR | firebat, medic. |
| 21:55.31 | DWSR | scives |
| 21:55.36 | Dashkal | Shirik: SP only units: Medic, Wraith, Diamondback, Science Vessle, Firebat |
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| 21:55.52 | foxlit | spectre |
| 21:55.54 | Shirik | firebats are huge |
| 21:55.56 | DWSR | Spectre. |
| 21:56.00 | DWSR | Spectre > gthost. |
| 21:56.03 | DWSR | ghost* |
| 21:56.11 | zenzelezz | medics are single-player only? Then what's this "MMM" thing everyone's talking about? |
| 21:56.16 | Dashkal | I went Ghost. EMP was handy for the toss missions. |
| 21:56.19 | Dashkal | medivac |
| 21:56.19 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Medivacs. |
| 21:56.26 | Dashkal | Dropship + medic = Medivac |
| 21:56.38 | Arrowmaster | are vultures and goliaths in MP? |
| 21:56.39 | DWSR | USP And Psionic Lash were rape, |
| 21:56.43 | DWSR | vultures no |
| 21:56.46 | DWSR | goliaths yes |
| 21:56.48 | DWSR | iirc |
| 21:56.49 | Shirik | no |
| 21:56.51 | Shirik | neither |
| 21:56.53 | Dashkal | Medivacs are mildly annoying to micro. Don't right-click that marine to follow him! |
| 21:57.04 | Dashkal | Oh yeahm voltures/goliaths |
| 21:57.04 | DWSR | I just leave auto-cast on. |
| 21:57.12 | DWSR | I don't miss vultures though |
| 21:57.19 | Dashkal | Goliaths are awesome. Vultures I never EVER make. |
| 21:57.21 | DWSR | never fucking used them |
| 21:57.33 | DWSR | Goliaths with the multi-targetting upgrade are fucking RAPE. |
| 21:57.35 | Dashkal | Hated them in sc1 too |
| 21:57.36 | Kraps | diamonbacks |
| 21:57.44 | Dashkal | Diamondbacks are too situational |
| 21:57.45 | DWSR | Being able to dish out simultaneous air/ground pain is win |
| 21:57.48 | DWSR | agreed. |
| 21:57.55 | Dashkal | Very cool concept, though. |
| 21:58.10 | Kraps | didnt get far in the campaign either |
| 21:58.16 | Dashkal | A diamondback style air unit would be pretty rape. |
| 21:58.19 | DWSR | Want me to spoil it? |
| 21:58.21 | DWSR | Dashkal: Void rays |
| 21:58.31 | Dashkal | Void rays can fire/move? |
| 21:58.31 | Kraps | DWSR: i will cut you |
| 21:58.42 | Dashkal | Kraps: don't read your scrollback |
| 21:58.42 | DWSR | Used to in the beta. |
| 21:58.56 | foxlit | They still can |
| 21:58.56 | DWSR | Was deemed way too fucking powerful. |
| 21:59.01 | DWSR | Oh, there you go |
| 21:59.04 | foxlit | You just have to be moving in the direction they're firing |
| 21:59.09 | DWSR | lol |
| 21:59.32 | Kraps | hide ya kids hide ya wife hide ya husband cuz they rapin errybody out here |
| 22:00.54 | DWSR | Let's go this way really really fast. If something gets in the way, shoot it |
| 22:01.18 | foxlit | Nice for chasing down things like probes, though |
| 22:01.20 | Dashkal | I should learn to use VRs. They're really really cool is used right. And crap if not microd properly |
| 22:02.02 | Ackis | https://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/853e62c0-46d6-46cc-8259-b61339b421cc.jpg |
| 22:02.21 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:02.23 | DWSR | pompom |
| 22:02.45 | Ackis | I did not like pom's til I got one hehe |
| 22:02.53 | Dashkal | Mostly if I end up protoss I just cheese and carrier spam in a 3v3 |
| 22:03.04 | cog|work | anyone with invite privileges around for beta us alliance? |
| 22:03.22 | Kraps | hey Ackis |
| 22:03.45 | Ackis | hi Kraps |
| 22:05.09 | Dashkal | So yeah, my toss games needs a ton of work |
| 22:05.58 | foxlit | grr, 13$ / MB |
| 22:06.10 | foxlit | data roaming is annoyingly expensive. |
| 22:06.31 | Kraps | Dashkal: is that your "main" race? |
| 22:06.50 | Dashkal | Kraps: Terran would be the closest to that |
| 22:06.54 | Dashkal | But Ideally I want to be random |
| 22:07.01 | Kraps | ah |
| 22:07.13 | Kraps | what league are you? |
| 22:07.16 | Dashkal | If I achieve that goal, I'll be a much better player. |
| 22:07.18 | Dashkal | Unrated |
| 22:07.30 | Dashkal | I suspect silver, now that my macro game isn't epic fail anymore |
| 22:07.42 | Dashkal | But I don't want to get spanked in the qualifiers :( |
| 22:08.05 | Kraps | nah, my macro is ok and i got 3/5 |
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| 22:08.35 | Dashkal | Watching replays, expecially with good commentators was been very very good for me. |
| 22:08.48 | Kraps | day9? |
| 22:08.52 | Dashkal | I was definitely bronze when I got the game. I never did beat sc1 without cheating. |
| 22:09.01 | Dashkal | PsyStarcraft lately. He's zerg, which I suck at. |
| 22:09.33 | Dashkal | I like that he hilights his own blunders in his casts. |
| 22:09.40 | Kraps | never beat sc1 even on easy? :p |
| 22:09.45 | Dashkal | sc1 didn't have an easy |
| 22:10.07 | Kraps | orly |
| 22:10.13 | Dashkal | I used to simply not "get it" with RTS games. And I had no idea what I was doing wrong. I now know it was because my macro game was epic fail. |
| 22:10.29 | Dashkal | If I got back I'll probably do just fine |
| 22:10.36 | Dashkal | Kraps: Well, I missed it completely then! |
| 22:11.00 | Kraps | Dashkal: no i wouldnt know, never played it |
| 22:11.28 | Kraps | i bout it but i cant stand the look |
| 22:11.34 | Kraps | bought* |
| 22:11.40 | Dashkal | I don't recall a way to make teh game any easier. only by cheating did I see the entire story |
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| 22:11.49 | Dashkal | I still like it. For 2d it was VERY slick |
| 22:12.02 | ezarra | anyone around who's an officer on lost isles alliance guild? |
| 22:12.18 | Dashkal | ezarra: Guild bug is still in effect. You need Esamynn until they fix it. |
| 22:12.45 | Esamynn | Dashkal: someone who holds the officer rank may be able to invite, it sometimes works |
| 22:12.52 | Dashkal | Oh? Sweet |
| 22:13.03 | ezarra | this is the first time I'vebeen on that ANYONE from the guild was on. When might Esa be on? |
| 22:13.33 | Dashkal | I'm at work, no looky at me. If I ever installed the client on this box I'd never get anything done |
| 22:13.43 | Dashkal | At least with irc I can tab between messages :) |
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| 22:19.42 | xDD | Hmm, I can grant a char to 60.. What class should I make? I already got everything but lock/mage/shaman |
| 22:21.13 | Dashkal | That would probably depend on what playstyle you want next :P |
| 22:22.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 22:22.37 | Gnarfoz | one where he doesn't know anything about the class, obviously |
| 22:22.39 | cloudwolf | if you want to dps they all pew pew |
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| 22:23.16 | Dashkal | You have dots/pet/nukes, control/nuke/mini-game (arcane), melee/nuke/healer. |
| 22:23.18 | NightHawkTheSane | all three are ranged magic dps classes, only the shaman can heal or melee dps. beyond that, you're going to have to express some personal opinion of your own ;) |
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| 22:28.06 | cbreak | I've played a mage for years, and it's fun |
| 22:28.18 | cbreak | at the moment I am arcane, which is rather nuky |
| 22:28.26 | cbreak | with good gear, you can blow away things in one or two hits |
| 22:28.34 | cbreak | frost has always been a fun control spec |
| 22:28.47 | cbreak | but with good gear, the control becomes useless because things die before it would make a diff |
| 22:28.51 | cbreak | in raids, arcane rocks |
| 22:28.58 | Dashkal | I want to play frost, but leveling a mage is just too painful right now |
| 22:29.13 | Dashkal | I'm really hoping 'cata will fix it' |
| 22:29.25 | cbreak | I found it easy |
| 22:29.35 | Dashkal | Which reminds me: Patchsoonplz? I'm stuck in Vash'jir. |
| 22:29.36 | cbreak | not that I have a comparison, never leveled anything else over 15 |
| 22:29.45 | Dashkal | I hate having to drink every 3 mobs |
| 22:29.51 | Dashkal | I'm used to zero-downtime specs. |
| 22:30.06 | cbreak | you don't have to if you play frost during leveling |
| 22:30.10 | Maldivia | Dashkal: stuck how ? |
| 22:30.25 | Dashkal | Maldivia: "Still Valuable" is bugged. You can't get the quest item to drop. And it's a blocker quest. |
| 22:30.34 | Maldivia | and with the latest mana regen they did for lastest patch, you should have more than enough mana regen |
| 22:31.01 | Dashkal | With enhanced mana regen, it might be worth another try, but at this point I'm waiting so I can roll a nelf mage. |
| 22:31.34 | Maldivia | what level range are you having mana issued with ? |
| 22:31.43 | Dashkal | I gave up last time around 25 |
| 22:32.00 | Maldivia | I had issues on my priest around 10-20, after that it got a lot better |
| 22:32.16 | Dashkal | My last attempt at apriest ended at about 18 |
| 22:32.38 | Maldivia | priest was REALLY bad, drinking after every mob :P |
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| 22:39.28 | cloudwolf | i had a preist i was leveling holy it was fun got to around 43 |
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| 22:45.27 | Dashkal | Priest/Paladin/Shammy are my current do-not-play list. Paladin will be off it for Cata. Crusader strike at 1 fixes my primary issue with it |
| 22:45.42 | Dashkal | Autoattacking for the first levels: Do not want. |
| 22:46.23 | Maldivia | yeah, that was knd of bad |
| 22:46.53 | Dashkal | ooh! I has a seal that adds 2 holy damage! And a judgement on a long cooldown.... (Tried again recently) |
| 22:47.08 | Dashkal | Shaman: I dislike totems. |
| 22:47.13 | Maldivia | yeah, the curent paladin levelling experience is not that great |
| 22:47.21 | Maldivia | the cata should improve on that a lot |
| 22:47.37 | Maldivia | when the get the holy point system fine tuned, it should help as well |
| 22:47.45 | Dashkal | I'm looking forward to that. |
| 22:48.04 | Dashkal | I'm a fan of combo points ever since the Diablo 2 assassin. |
| 22:48.12 | Maldivia | well, totems aren't that pivital to shaman levelling, but the "drop 4 totems" spells was a nice addition |
| 22:48.12 | Dashkal | Using it in a new way intrigues me. |
| 22:48.26 | Maldivia | well, it's not really a new way, is it? |
| 22:48.42 | Maldivia | the more points you have, the better the finisher is ? |
| 22:48.44 | Dashkal | Well, yes and no. Not tied to energy. The feel will differ. |
| 22:49.25 | Dashkal | Not dramatically (or else it wouldn't be combo points). Just enough to tweak things. |
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| 22:49.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: the totem set spells fixed MOST of the biggest issues with totems. |
| 22:49.58 | Dashkal | I'm still choking on the new DK rune system. WTB a retune of ability costs. Having blodd runes come back sequentially really really bites with death runes. |
| 22:50.28 | NightHawkTheSane | to my mind there's still only one remaining issue that makes them a little difficult |
| 22:51.05 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: It fixed the biggest issue with totems, not most. |
| 22:52.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: eh, there's one issue that still irks me, and that change didn't do anything to fix it, and that's the "my normal set of totems, except with one situtional totem instead" |
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| 22:53.26 | NightHawkTheSane | or switching between two different totems of a particular element in the middle of the fight (say mana tide/mana spring) |
| 22:53.30 | cloudwolf | .... just saw epicus maximus.... |
| 22:53.33 | cloudwolf | loll |
| 22:54.07 | Lunessa | And there's the "other class brings better version of buff, but I have nothing to drop instead" or the "in PvP i can either get the buff I need to do damage, or the totem I need to do Y, but not both" or the "have to drop the damned totems again, 'cause the we have to move the boss and I'm out of mana - again" problem. :P |
| 22:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: those never bothered me, actually |
| 22:54.41 | Synycyl | Good evening fellow developers. The Lua has me stumped again. I'm trying to perform a condition if then based upon wether or not a variable carries a specific value. In C++ it is usually if ( var != VALUE ) { }. I get errors on the != conditional and only see the if not variable examples. I get an error when trying if ( variable not value ) then.... what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:54.49 | Lunessa | And the biggest grip - tiny bits of damage = Dispell. |
| 22:55.24 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, as a person who doesn't care about pvp, that also doesn't particularly bother me. Although i'll grant it's a concern for some |
| 22:56.00 | NightHawkTheSane | I never had mana issues because of redropping my totems. I may in Cata, but at that point I suspect i'll just need to suck it up and l2p better :P |
| 22:56.05 | Synycyl | wow... I thk i finall found it. Looks like its ~= |
| 22:56.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Synycyl: good job answering your own question. :) |
| 22:56.46 | NightHawkTheSane | we approve |
| 22:57.30 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: As an enhancement shaman on really heavy movement fights, mana becomes a big concern when the boss is moving 30+ yards and I have to keep dropping totems. :) |
| 22:57.51 | Synycyl | Lol! sorry for the bother on that one |
| 22:58.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, i've not played enhance, so I can't say. |
| 22:58.43 | Lunessa | Fire Nova + 4 totems = 50%+ of my mana. :) |
| 22:58.59 | NightHawkTheSane | It might be 10% of mine.. |
| 22:59.04 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 22:59.17 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, that's not right.. |
| 22:59.43 | Lunessa | *nod* But you hit like a wet noodle in melee. I don't. :) I don't do massive Lava Bursts either. ;) |
| 23:00.08 | NightHawkTheSane | well, if i have my way, neither do I (resto ftw). But yeah ;) |
| 23:00.28 | NightHawkTheSane | I think that's part of what devs (well, GC) mean when they say enh is overly punished in heavy movement fights |
| 23:00.58 | NightHawkTheSane | It'be neat if totemic recall refuned a percentage of the mana based on how long the totems had left to expire |
| 23:01.14 | Lunessa | That would be an interesting mechanic. |
| 23:01.32 | Lunessa | as it is now, I just mash Shamanistic Rage every time it's off cooldown |
| 23:01.40 | NightHawkTheSane | that way if you fuck up and have to move your totems like 1m into the fight, you can recall them and get most of your mana back. |
| 23:02.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i should remind myself to post that suggestion when i get home. doubtful they'll implement it, but hey.. |
| 23:02.50 | Lunessa | It's a good idea. |
| 23:08.39 | Maldivia | or have a talent or ability that summons the totems to you, but their duration remains |
| 23:09.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i /know/ that's been suggested before :P |
| 23:10.26 | Maldivia | well, it's kind of a logical suggestion, so :P |
| 23:11.27 | Kraps | joss is directing the avengers, hmm |
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| 23:13.31 | Maldivia | Kraps: yeah - was announced at comic-con |
| 23:16.35 | cloudwolf | awsome |
| 23:16.41 | cloudwolf | i can't login to my main any more |
| 23:16.48 | cloudwolf | every time i do it gives a fatal error and crashes wow to windows |
| 23:16.54 | Synycyl | I'm still digging around for this, but does anyone have any suggested places to look for status bars!? |
| 23:17.15 | Synycyl | cloudwolf... is it crashing on the northrend.mpq? |
| 23:17.36 | cloudwolf | no its crashing in deepholm oh wait hmm |
| 23:17.43 | cloudwolf | i dont know if its crashign whiel dling the northrend.mpq |
| 23:17.48 | Synycyl | I had my MPQ files corrupting... |
| 23:18.15 | Synycyl | To repair i copied a friends wow directory and copied in my WTF and Interface folder.. boom fixed |
| 23:18.17 | cloudwolf | it doesn't tell me what part is dling |
| 23:18.31 | Shirik | I love my coworkers |
| 23:18.46 | Maldivia | Shirik: and they love you? |
| 23:19.03 | Shirik | email sent to all software engineers: "âTis a common motif: Anthony checks something into Main. Autobuilder accuses Anthony of breaking the build. Anthony scorch-builds and everything works. ... It canât be a stale symbol problem! It can only be malice on the part of Autobuilder1." |
| 23:19.20 | Jamash | huh |
| 23:19.27 | Kraps | whoa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSIetIg7O3M |
| 23:19.48 | DWSR | Shirik: lol |
| 23:21.00 | foxlit | Kraps: "We have cool CGI, screw making sense?" |
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| 23:21.25 | Jamash | wtf |
| 23:21.46 | DWSR | Kraps: looks win |
| 23:21.51 | DWSR | Alice in Wonderland with machine guns |
| 23:21.54 | DWSR | And katanas. |
| 23:21.58 | DWSR | And Nazis. |
| 23:22.02 | DWSR | and dragons |
| 23:22.04 | DWSR | And bridges. |
| 23:22.10 | cloudwolf | and hot babes |
| 23:22.26 | DWSR | and giant worgen wielding miniguns |
| 23:22.38 | DWSR | Pretty much a nerdgasm in movie form, amirite? |
| 23:22.42 | cloudwolf | and sharks with freaking lasor beams |
| 23:22.47 | DWSR | No |
| 23:22.54 | cloudwolf | D: lol any way |
| 23:22.59 | foxlit | no sharks with lasers? |
| 23:23.02 | DWSR | Undead on a dinosaur on a shark with laser beams |
| 23:23.02 | Kraps | foxlit: like a youtuber said "it has girls, guns, and video game action sequences" so i say "yes, screw making sense" |
| 23:25.40 | NightHawkTheSane | am i the only one tired of entertainment that's little more than smoke & mirror flash, that has no content and makes no sense? |
| 23:25.40 | DWSR | Well, she's in an insane asylum(sp?). It doesn't need to make sense. |
| 23:26.19 | Dagmar | Ahem. It's a "sanatorium". |
| 23:26.23 | Kraps | seems like mostly in a dream world |
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| 23:27.01 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: at least its not a comedy |
| 23:27.24 | NightHawkTheSane | what does it matter? |
| 23:27.44 | NightHawkTheSane | that trailer was nothing but 1.5 minutes of fanservice strining shiny things together in nearly random ways. |
| 23:27.58 | NightHawkTheSane | it could be a soap opera for all you know :P |
| 23:27.59 | DWSR | But they're so shiny. |
| 23:28.16 | DWSR | I'm a bit of a sucker for the steam/cyber punk settings for movies anyway. |
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| 23:28.55 | laeg | is there a mod that will show the levels of zones on the world map? |
| 23:28.59 | DWSR | yes |
| 23:29.07 | DWSR | Anyway, bbl |
| 23:29.16 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: I tend to be too, but I'm tired of the pandering that goes on |
| 23:29.26 | Lunessa | NHTS: FLASH! BANG! GRATUITOUS TITTIES!! We'll make BILLIONS! |
| 23:29.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that more or less sums up every major blockbuster.. well, ever. |
| 23:29.49 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 23:31.27 | cloudwolf | http://failblog.org/2010/08/09/epic-fail-video-bowling-fail/ |
| 23:31.31 | Dagmar | someone said 'titties'? |
| 23:33.22 | Lunessa | Dagmar: The trailer even had them. |
| 23:33.27 | foxlit | oh. |
| 23:33.30 | foxlit | Gmail has a spam folder. |
| 23:33.42 | Dagmar | yay titties! |
| 23:33.44 | foxlit | That doesn't show up in my imap client. |
| 23:34.19 | foxlit | This is awesome. |
| 23:35.00 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/content/store/spam.png |
| 23:35.43 | kd3 | meh, my "public" email's spam folder looks a lot like that right now |
| 23:35.53 | Lunessa | go go virtual property theft scams! |
| 23:36.25 | foxlit | I wonder where they stole the address from, though |
| 23:36.58 | foxlit | Use a different solution for everything in the last year or so, so that's a bit old. |
| 23:37.41 | Dagmar | I have exactly zero incidences of "Blizzard" in my GMail spam folder |
| 23:38.05 | Dagmar | Mebbe your email address features in the changelogs of some addon? |
| 23:38.23 | foxlit | Dagmar: I don't publish those logs. |
| 23:38.46 | foxlit | and address doesn't show up on google |
| 23:38.53 | Dagmar | If the addon was _released_ then I'm pretty sure *some* asshold published it for you |
| 23:38.55 | foxlit | So I probably signed up for something. |
| 23:39.14 | Dagmar | Nabble is a great example of some site admins who need a good fatal beating. |
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| 23:39.38 | Kraps | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1906-The-Future-of-MMOs |
| 23:39.46 | Dagmar | THey repub mailing lists, source tarballs, changelogs, all entirely web searchable and make no effort to stop bots or obfuscate addresses |
| 23:39.50 | foxlit | And judging by the focused nature, it was probably something wow related. |
| 23:40.09 | Trela | Taco Bell's so called new Catina Tacos, the verdict... CRAP. |
| 23:40.15 | Dagmar | THey are the reason I have my email address rot13'd in Changelogs or _I don't put my address in at all_ |
| 23:40.19 | foxlit | None of those apply in this case. The address is stealthy :) |
| 23:41.35 | Dagmar | Well, they probably got it the last time they stole Curse's user database |
| 23:41.49 | Dashkal | win: http://hackedirl.com/2010/08/09/culture-jamming-win-thinking-with-irls/ |
| 23:42.03 | foxlit | wowhead, wowi, blizzcon live |
| 23:42.51 | foxlit | curse, too. |
| 23:43.04 | foxlit | Ah well, it's old stuff. New ones are tagged for easy termination :) |
| 23:43.33 | foxlit | also, "I deeply apologize for forgetting to use BCC when emailing earlier about Curse.com and CurseForge.com." |
| 23:43.56 | Dagmar | ugh |
| 23:44.07 | foxlit | (2008) |
| 23:48.34 | nicoli_s | whats going on? |
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| 23:54.18 | ezarra | all mail that comes to me claiming to be from blizzard that is not properly sorted into the WoW folder is tagged as spammed, forwarded to hacks@blizzard.com and discarded. I never see any of it. |
| 23:55.20 | Ressy | how doees your email separate the real blizzard email from the fake blizz email? They all end up being from @blizzard.com |
| 23:56.33 | Dagmar | By paying people money to throw a few thousand IQ points onto the problem. |
| 23:57.25 | Corrodias2 | check dem full headers, bro. although i don't know what email sorter yer usin'. |
| 23:57.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Ressy: the same way any sane spam filter does? |
| 23:58.07 | Dagmar | Nowadays, SPF and a spellchecker catches 90% of them |
| 23:59.30 | *** join/#wowuidev theorbtwo (~theorb@91.84.53.6) |
