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| 00:36.36 | Kraps | why is the ingame chat in the middle of the screen? |
| 00:38.58 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.04 | Kraps | huh thats a new one |
| 00:39.23 | WobWork | Kraps: wait what? |
| 00:39.37 | Kraps | yeah |
| 00:39.41 | WobWork | link? |
| 00:39.50 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/guide/bnet-overview |
| 00:41.08 | WobWork | oh sc2 |
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| 00:41.23 | Kraps | also why are there no sexy medics outside the campaign? |
| 00:45.34 | Xyphoid | the campaign has lots of units that aren't in multiplayer |
| 00:45.38 | Xyphoid | sc1 units etc |
| 00:45.48 | Cide | Kate Lockwell plays on Medivh! |
| 00:48.40 | Shirik | is that why there's this "character code" crap Kraps? |
| 00:48.47 | Cide | naturally |
| 00:49.00 | Cide | that's why they had identifiers from the start |
| 00:50.48 | Shirik | Battle.netâs StarCraft II ladder is made up of several leagues which each comprise a number of divisions; each division is a group of 100 players of similar skill level. |
| 00:50.49 | Shirik | WRONG |
| 00:50.56 | Shirik | suing for false advertisement,brb |
| 00:51.05 | Cide | huh? |
| 00:51.15 | Cide | are you contesting the similar skill level? |
| 00:51.18 | Shirik | the statement that each division is 100 players is wrong |
| 00:51.21 | Cide | why? |
| 00:51.33 | Shirik | it's 100 teams |
| 00:51.39 | Cide | lol |
| 00:51.41 | Cide | true |
| 00:56.18 | Jerub | also, it's not always 100 players |
| 00:56.35 | Jerub | it varied from 80-150 when i waas in beta. |
| 00:58.35 | Shadowed | They can have anything from 1 to 100 :p |
| 00:58.39 | Shadowed | eg http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/94258/1/Etin/ladder/1170#current-rank |
| 00:58.58 | Cide | that's the most recently created ladder I'm guessing? |
| 00:59.01 | Shadowed | dunno |
| 00:59.04 | Shadowed | I just queried what I did |
| 00:59.17 | Shadowed | says they joined it 3 days ago |
| 00:59.25 | Shadowed | They just create new divisions as necessary, so usually you have enough people filling it out to 100 pretty quickly |
| 00:59.30 | Shadowed | sometimes you don't |
| 00:59.35 | Shadowed | errr, what I had |
| 01:01.16 | Shadowed | I've got a lot of sub-70 divisions thought |
| 01:01.32 | Shadowed | 157 with <50 people |
| 01:05.03 | Shadowed | (I love having stats on everything) |
| 01:06.51 | Kraps | who names and creates the ladders? |
| 01:07.11 | Shadowed | random |
| 01:07.15 | Cide | they have slaves in the basement |
| 01:07.42 | Shadowed | It's Division <SC reference> <some sort of code for a number or whatnot> |
| 01:08.09 | Shadowed | Argo, Halcyon, Firebat, Drone, Void Ray and then something like Sigma, Upsilon, Tau, Echo, HNovembger, Echo, Beta, Pi, Mu, Alamo |
| 01:08.17 | Kraps | why is the ingame chat in the middle of the screen? |
| 01:08.25 | Shadowed | because you touch yourself at nice |
| 01:08.30 | Cide | at nice |
| 01:08.40 | Shadowed | bah |
| 01:08.46 | Shadowed | I need to stop trying to code and talk in IRC at the same time |
| 01:08.47 | Jamash | the windows are movable |
| 01:08.51 | Kraps | i'm always nice to myself |
| 01:09.26 | Kraps | Jamash: the text in the middle is kinda wtf |
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| 01:37.37 | WobWork | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/03/funny-pictures-gif-kitteh-facepalm/ |
| 01:37.48 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
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| 02:16.30 | kd3 | whee |
| 02:16.38 | kd3 | I'm $3k poorer now |
| 02:16.57 | kd3 | sighs at the email confirmation that his tuition payment went through |
| 02:17.15 | bluspacecow | :( |
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| 02:24.27 | Blanket_ | hi all! |
| 02:24.29 | Dagmar | You should be glad that it's only $3k |
| 02:24.43 | Dagmar | IIRC the _meal plan_ at the school I work at costs that much per semester |
| 02:24.53 | kd3 | wtf |
| 02:24.59 | Dagmar | Tuition is nearly six times that |
| 02:25.08 | kd3 | is that the all-you-can-eat plan? |
| 02:25.42 | Dagmar | I don't rightly know WTF they get with it. I just know it pissed me off that it was more than the tuition at the school I went to |
| 02:25.52 | Dagmar | They have some damn good chefs on campus tho |
| 02:27.14 | Blanket_ | is there a way to use the global table to extract a table data? |
| 02:30.10 | Blanket_ | something like interpreting a string as a variable |
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| 02:36.33 | Motig | boy it sure is fun getting 2 'clients' to synch :p |
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| 02:48.05 | Arrowmaster | i need a job, maybe then ill be able to actually afford the few toys i get on my own and afford to get some new ones like a nice laptop or something |
| 02:49.37 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248295648?page=8#147 |
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| 03:08.46 | Dagmar | Kraps: Whoa. That's a problem |
| 03:08.57 | Cide | why? |
| 03:10.07 | Cide | it's trivial to investigate the increase in skill arranged teams get from simply being arranged and adjust the matchmaking system accordingly to compensate |
| 03:11.54 | cog|away | Cide: i think he meant "that's a problem they really should fix" not "that's a really hard problem to fix" |
| 03:12.10 | Cide | my point is that it's a black box |
| 03:12.40 | Cide | you don't know if the matchmaker already takes it into account |
| 03:13.00 | Cide | it's pointless to label it as an issue until you know that isn't the case |
| 03:13.22 | Cide | on the other hand it would be nice to get an official answer on it as the black box nature of it raises questions |
| 03:13.57 | Cide | but if blizzard's competence in all other areas is any guidance it takes it into account already |
| 03:14.12 | Cide | this is like the fifth matchmaking system they've implemented after all |
| 03:17.03 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: nope, MTG aint gonna happen |
| 03:17.18 | Thunder_Child | game is WAY too slow |
| 03:17.34 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: yeah i wanted to ask you |
| 03:18.08 | Kraps | played the tutorial and still dunno wtf is going on |
| 03:18.18 | Thunder_Child | oh, i know whats going on |
| 03:18.32 | Thunder_Child | it's just agony wating for the turns to end |
| 03:20.43 | Jerub | QQ because doing 3v3 with random teams is disadvantaged vs. playing with coordinated people who know each other |
| 03:20.47 | Jerub | shock, horror, news at 11. |
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| 03:30.54 | Xyphoid | i don't understand why random teams and arranged teams play each other |
| 03:31.00 | Xyphoid | surely that's never going to be a good matchup |
| 03:33.38 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMrN3Rh55uM |
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| 03:44.36 | Xyphoid | 'Greetings UNKNOWN! |
| 03:44.36 | Xyphoid | We noticed that you recently cancelled your World of Warcraft® subscription for account UNKNOWN.' |
| 03:44.37 | Xyphoid | whoops |
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| 03:49.46 | WobWork | tekkub: http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/071310/boolean-hair-logic.gif |
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| 04:03.38 | Cide | Xyphoid, AT vs RT is only a constant skill difference off |
| 04:03.45 | Cide | assuming the players' skills are the same |
| 04:04.35 | Cide | if the matchmaker artificially increases the AT skill level in the matchmaking process by that amount they will face more skilled RT players |
| 04:04.39 | Cide | offsetting the differences |
| 04:07.04 | Kraps | YoSaffBridge |
| 04:27.24 | kd3 | ouch |
| 04:27.33 | kd3 | 9 phishing emails, 0 of which were tagged 'phishing' |
| 04:29.56 | Cide | soon email clients will flag conspiciously regular-looking email as non-phishing |
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| 05:11.41 | Zhinjio | I have no idea what this is intended to clean, and its slightly frightening. Almost completely SFW : http://bit.ly/8XL3bO |
| 05:12.06 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 05:12.19 | Zhinjio | grins |
| 05:12.51 | kd3 | a "poor woman's electric toothbrush" is my guess |
| 05:12.53 | kd3 | my hope, rather |
| 05:13.19 | Zhinjio | huh. weirdly enough, that had not occurred to me. |
| 05:13.26 | Zhinjio | I guess I just couldn't get past the parts to see the whole. |
| 05:13.27 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 05:16.16 | Adys | ~wwquotes |
| 05:16.17 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowwiki/irc-quotes |
| 05:16.22 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 05:16.22 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 05:22.50 | Shirik | so like |
| 05:22.53 | Shirik | I went to the gym today |
| 05:23.01 | Shirik | and the only other people that were there were people I work with |
| 05:23.20 | Shirik | they give a discount to our company so I guess a lot of people take advantage of it |
| 05:23.22 | Shirik | it was really funny |
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| 05:27.00 | Jerub | Shirik: you work? i just assumed you stayed home and got angry in pugs or something |
| 05:28.00 | Xyphoid | being at the gym with coworkers sounds awkward |
| 05:31.12 | cogwheel | nah Shirik's too busy building skynet |
| 05:35.18 | Shirik | Xyphoid: It was amusing |
| 05:35.24 | Shirik | we're all in there talking about unmanned aircraft |
| 05:35.26 | Shirik | and why Java sucks |
| 05:35.31 | Shirik | and why C# is taking over the world |
| 05:35.53 | Shirik | the last thing you'd expect to hear in a gym |
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| 05:36.27 | cogwheel | see? i told you he was building skynet |
| 05:37.20 | Shadowed | Java is the most evil language in the world |
| 05:37.23 | Shadowed | outclassing PHP |
| 05:38.43 | Jerub | Shadowed++ |
| 05:40.28 | Trela | ~Shadowed-- |
| 05:40.29 | Trela | D: |
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| 05:40.44 | cogwheel | ~Shadowed++ |
| 05:40.46 | Adys | ~shadowed++ |
| 05:40.54 | Trela | FFFFFFFF. Screw all of you! |
| 05:41.05 | cogwheel | ~karma shadowed |
| 05:41.05 | purl | shadowed has karma of 2 |
| 05:41.05 | Adys | ~java-- |
| 05:41.14 | cogwheel | ~karma java |
| 05:41.14 | purl | java has karma of -3 |
| 05:41.16 | Adys | ~php-- |
| 05:41.19 | Adys | ~karma php |
| 05:41.19 | purl | php has karma of -2 |
| 05:41.22 | Trela | ~php++ |
| 05:41.26 | Adys | dude |
| 05:41.30 | kd3 | stop spamming the bot |
| 05:41.34 | Adys | how can you even do php++? |
| 05:41.35 | cogwheel | Trela: you need more exposure |
| 05:41.42 | Jerub | i hate php so much |
| 05:41.44 | Jerub | but man. java. |
| 05:41.49 | Trela | I am a PHP Developer. :P |
| 05:41.55 | Adys | so? |
| 05:42.04 | Jerub | Trela: i had 4 years of php development under my belt |
| 05:42.04 | Adys | you'd think you're in a good position to agree php is retarded |
| 05:42.16 | Trela | PHP is a sophisticated language with tons of flexibility. |
| 05:42.30 | kd3 | winces |
| 05:42.41 | Shadowed | :< |
| 05:42.51 | Adys | lmao |
| 05:42.58 | Trela | :P |
| 05:42.58 | cogwheel | bash.org imo >< |
| 05:43.17 | Adys | cogwheel: nah, cuteoverload.org |
| 05:43.27 | Adys | or was it .com |
| 05:43.31 | Jerub | it's taken me the last 5 years to get that out of my belt. |
| 05:43.33 | Jerub | :'( |
| 05:43.38 | Trela | In seriousness, PHP is good it you are good at PHP. |
| 05:43.39 | Adys | hugs Jerub |
| 05:43.47 | Cide | PHP is passable if you're insane |
| 05:43.57 | Adys | Trela, php is a horrible language, please have a look at other options before touting that stuff |
| 05:43.57 | Cide | I've done tons of PHP |
| 05:44.04 | Cide | but I've seen the light since |
| 05:44.07 | kd3 | sanity is overrated |
| 05:44.09 | Trela | Cide: I am insane. |
| 05:44.13 | Adys | the HUGE problem with php is |
| 05:44.20 | cogwheel | ~kd3++ |
| 05:44.39 | Shadowed | I'm just going to say this now, but if you guys get mean I will smite you |
| 05:44.42 | Shadowed | especially Adys |
| 05:44.44 | Shadowed | because I'd enjoy that |
| 05:44.46 | Adys | the devs touting how "good" it is usually haven't even seen another language bar maybe javascript |
| 05:45.13 | Adys | BURN SHADOWED BURN |
| 05:45.34 | Trela | Adys: I have experience with VB(Unfortunately), C, and C++. |
| 05:45.43 | Cide | I'm sure you find it flexible then |
| 05:45.50 | Cide | doesn't make it any less fucking stupid |
| 05:45.56 | Cide | try python if you want flexible |
| 05:46.06 | Shadowed | pythons aren't very flexible... |
| 05:46.07 | Adys | Trela, you can't compare php to compiled languages |
| 05:46.18 | Adys | and to vb? please. |
| 05:46.28 | Cide | see (unfortunately) Adys :P |
| 05:46.33 | Adys | yeah |
| 05:46.40 | Cide | regardless |
| 05:46.44 | Adys | as Cide said, try python, try ruby, try anything sane |
| 05:46.51 | Adys | Im not mentioning perl just yet .. |
| 05:46.53 | Trela | I have tried Python. Hate it. |
| 05:47.01 | Adys | fine, try ruby |
| 05:47.27 | Trela | Was going to try getting into Objective-C for OS X development. |
| 05:47.27 | Cide | why would you hate python if you like PHP? |
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| 05:47.34 | Trela | I may have to bump the insanity up for that. |
| 05:47.51 | Shadowed | I didn't actually like python syntax that much with the __new__ stuff or whatnot |
| 05:47.56 | Shirik | I hate python and am OK with php |
| 05:48.03 | Shadowed | but it's also entirely possible the persons code I was looking at was bad |
| 05:48.09 | Cide | you hate python as a standard shirik |
| 05:48.09 | Shirik | python is becoming more hacky by the minute as well though |
| 05:48.12 | Shirik | oh btw |
| 05:48.12 | Cide | you have no reason to |
| 05:48.14 | Shirik | cide |
| 05:48.14 | Adys | Shirik, but you are so bad you don't even deserve +o |
| 05:48.17 | Shirik | I got my boss hooked on Lua |
| 05:48.24 | Adys | but if you're saying php is flexible, either you don't know what flexible means for any number of reasons, or you don't know what flexible means in programming |
| 05:48.25 | Cide | that sounds bad |
| 05:48.25 | Trela | PEP8 = Me bashing my head in. |
| 05:48.29 | Cide | why not go for python? |
| 05:48.31 | Shirik | he was like "Yeah I tried python for this a while ago but it was too complicated to integrate. Lua looks like a great solution though" |
| 05:48.36 | Shirik | I can't make this up |
| 05:48.36 | Adys | pep8 is a guideline |
| 05:48.49 | Trela | Tabbing is good, but using tabs exclusively to determine the code execution drives me nuts. |
| 05:48.54 | Cide | why? |
| 05:48.56 | Adys | what? |
| 05:49.02 | Shadowed | technically |
| 05:49.05 | Cide | it forces good and consistent code flow |
| 05:49.06 | Shadowed | every language is flexible |
| 05:49.08 | Cide | err |
| 05:49.14 | Cide | it forces good and consistent code indentation |
| 05:49.16 | Shadowed | Cide so does strongly typed languages :P |
| 05:49.23 | Cide | yes |
| 05:49.30 | Cide | but python gets rid of {} |
| 05:49.34 | Cide | that's all |
| 05:49.42 | Cide | if your indentation is proper it works exactly the same as any other language |
| 05:49.55 | Trela | Adys: By flexible I mean I can go from doing graphics manipulation to uploading said file via FTP if I really needed to. |
| 05:50.08 | Cide | that's featureful |
| 05:50.09 | Adys | What? |
| 05:50.11 | Shadowed | o.O |
| 05:50.21 | Adys | import pil, ftp |
| 05:50.29 | Adys | Im not sure what you're on about |
| 05:50.34 | Jerub | you really can't compare php to a language where the author wasn't a drunk lunatic who didn't know how lex+yacc should be used. |
| 05:50.39 | Trela | See Cide's "featureful". |
| 05:50.41 | Cide | I don't think Trela contested that python is featureful |
| 05:50.43 | Shadowed | That's not really a feature |
| 05:50.55 | Trela | Python is flexible/featureful. |
| 05:50.58 | Adys | Trela, what are you promoting here? |
| 05:51.04 | Cide | php obviously :P |
| 05:51.06 | Trela | ...PHP? |
| 05:51.06 | Shadowed | Jerub did you see the PHP bug about random |
| 05:51.19 | Adys | Trela, what you said earlier, what's "good" about that? |
| 05:51.22 | Shadowed | where rand() returning only numbers divisible by 3 was considered not a bug |
| 05:51.23 | Jerub | Shadowed: you should see some of the bugs i've filed against php. |
| 05:51.25 | Shadowed | or something insane like that |
| 05:51.29 | Jerub | "won'tfix, we're dickheads" was the response. |
| 05:51.35 | Trela | Adys: I think the conversation exploded. |
| 05:51.59 | Cide | Shadowed, roflwhat? |
| 05:52.05 | Shadowed | Cide hang on lemme see if I can find it again |
| 05:52.10 | Adys | Trela: you can do graphic manipulation and ftp uploads in every language that has file and network access |
| 05:52.14 | Shadowed | it was hilarious |
| 05:52.21 | cogwheel | Trela: the point adys is making is .... that.... /slowtyping |
| 05:52.27 | Cide | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=22988 |
| 05:52.34 | Trela | Adys: I was explain why I thought PHP was flexible. It had nothing to do with Python. |
| 05:52.34 | Adys | cogwheel: I'm on a laggy 3g, you fail |
| 05:52.42 | Shadowed | No not that |
| 05:52.47 | Shadowed | Trela: That's not really flexible |
| 05:52.47 | Adys | Trela, thats not "flexible" |
| 05:53.00 | Adys | flexible is being able to modify core principles of the language if you want to |
| 05:53.05 | Trela | Then Cide said that is "featureful". |
| 05:53.12 | cogwheel | Adys: i'm on a laggy 100,000 year old design brain. |
| 05:53.13 | Shadowed | Not really :P |
| 05:53.20 | cogwheel | <.< |
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| 05:53.22 | Trela | At which point you dropped in with Python stuff. O.o; |
| 05:53.22 | Shadowed | That's basically standard in every language |
| 05:53.33 | Shadowed | You can do that with Ruby, Lua, Python, probably whitespace too |
| 05:53.33 | Adys | Shadowed: what is? |
| 05:53.47 | Shadowed | graphical manipulation/ftp |
| 05:53.50 | Adys | yeah |
| 05:53.57 | Adys | well |
| 05:54.07 | Adys | i guess whitespace doesn't have it in the global namespace |
| 05:54.07 | Adys | :D |
| 05:54.08 | Shadowed | well Lua probably requires a library but |
| 05:54.30 | Shadowed | divihttp://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=45301 |
| 05:54.31 | Shadowed | http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=45301 |
| 05:55.20 | cogwheel | Trela: cide was being sarcastic |
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| 05:55.32 | Cide | actually I wasn't |
| 05:55.34 | Trela | cogwheel: About what? |
| 05:55.35 | Shadowed | There was a pretty good one I saw a while back too |
| 05:55.41 | Cide | I relabled it because flexible is something else |
| 05:55.44 | Cide | relabeled |
| 05:55.46 | Shadowed | where they got into a huge argument about some silly error reporting thing for ifs |
| 05:55.51 | Cide | one could argue whether or not it is featureful or not |
| 05:55.57 | Cide | I was simply providing the term |
| 05:56.05 | Shadowed | You can't really define flexible in that way |
| 05:56.13 | Shadowed | it's basically like advertising a car that has wheels |
| 05:56.17 | Shadowed | While it's true, it's not that impressive |
| 05:56.24 | Trela | I was just getting at that a lot can be done in PHP with out having to write a bunch of custom code. |
| 05:56.33 | Shadowed | That's true for many languages :P |
| 05:56.33 | cogwheel | Trela: that's not unique |
| 05:56.48 | Adys | yeah what they said. |
| 05:56.49 | Shadowed | Ruby has a very good set of libraries for almost everything |
| 05:56.55 | Shadowed | I'm sure Python does too |
| 05:56.57 | Cide | and python has an even better set |
| 05:56.59 | Shadowed | (if anyone ued Python) |
| 05:57.03 | Shadowed | (besides snake handlers) |
| 05:57.05 | Jerub | Shadowed: ;) |
| 05:57.12 | Adys | Trela: nobody is implying you were implying it was unique, by the way |
| 05:57.14 | Jerub | Shadowed: i'm the owner of #python :P |
| 05:57.17 | Trela | Shadowed: So basically the random bugs only show up in Windows? |
| 05:57.18 | Shadowed | Jerub: :P |
| 05:57.21 | Adys | but it's not just not-unique |
| 05:57.24 | Adys | it's standard |
| 05:57.25 | Shadowed | Trela apparently |
| 05:57.38 | Shadowed | Jerub you're a figment of my imagination! |
| 05:57.52 | Trela | I have good success with random on Linux so I never ran into the bug myself. |
| 05:57.54 | Jerub | Shadowed: hey, this figment gives you concise bug reports and lots of love. |
| 05:57.57 | Shirik | Cide |
| 05:57.58 | Shirik | seriously |
| 05:57.59 | Shadowed | true |
| 05:58.00 | Cide | shirik |
| 05:58.03 | Shirik | have you ever had trouble tabulating C++? |
| 05:58.08 | Shirik | why do you need a language to FORCE it |
| 05:58.12 | Adys | Shirik |
| 05:58.14 | Cide | no? |
| 05:58.16 | Shadowed | yea the forcing of tabs is annoying |
| 05:58.19 | Shirik | exactly |
| 05:58.21 | Cide | what Shadowed? |
| 05:58.23 | Shirik | so why do you need a language to force it |
| 05:58.30 | Shirik | python forces tabulation |
| 05:58.37 | Adys | python forces indentation* |
| 05:58.40 | Adys | so that it's clear |
| 05:58.41 | Shadowed | Cide: I can already tab code fine, being told that the code I copied to check something is not properly indented is annoying |
| 05:58.50 | Shadowed | It's why I dislike strongly typed languages |
| 05:58.50 | Jerub | python uses indentation as part of its grammar. |
| 05:58.51 | Cide | why do you need braces when indentation should be solid in the first place, shirik? |
| 05:58.53 | Adys | but Shirik for the record, i've had trouble reading .cc files from a bunch of people |
| 05:58.54 | Cide | BOOM |
| 05:58.57 | Shadowed | I can manage it fine myself, I don't need the language forcing me into it |
| 05:59.01 | Adys | using retard-emacs or some shit like that |
| 05:59.04 | Jerub | which is different to 'forcing' it. |
| 05:59.08 | Adys | auto converting tabs to spaces or the other way around |
| 05:59.18 | Trela | Especially considering four spaces = tab, tab = spaces, and fuck if you copy from a web site. You will just have to redo all of it. |
| 05:59.19 | Adys | with chunks of code completely different line by line |
| 05:59.26 | Shirik | because braces actually show up as something visible |
| 05:59.32 | Cide | so do tabs |
| 05:59.32 | Shadowed | braces are kind of annoying |
| 05:59.34 | Shirik | using whitespace as part of grammar |
| 05:59.37 | Shirik | is very scary |
| 05:59.40 | Shadowed | but at least Ruby doesn't enforce then |
| 05:59.40 | Cide | they left- or right-align your code |
| 05:59.43 | Jerub | after more than 2 days of writing python, the last thing on your mind is the indentation. |
| 05:59.50 | Shadowed | uh |
| 05:59.55 | cogwheel | Shirik: s/scary/unfamiliar/ imo |
| 06:00.01 | Shadowed | Anyone who is a mildly competent coder, if indentation is on their mind they are probably incompetent :P |
| 06:00.02 | Cide | what cogwheel said |
| 06:00.05 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26262580162&pageNo=6&sid=1#107 |
| 06:00.11 | Cide | hence why it's not a big deal, Shadowed |
| 06:00.12 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 06:00.15 | Shadowed | right Cide |
| 06:00.17 | Trela | See, the cool thing about braces is that cool text editors can collapse blocks on code based on them. :P |
| 06:00.21 | Shadowed | it's not a big deal, but I dislike the requirement |
| 06:00.23 | Shirik | whitespace is part of the grammar of Motorola 68HC |
| 06:00.26 | Cide | so can cool text editors for python |
| 06:00.27 | Shadowed | Trela they can do that without braces |
| 06:00.28 | Shirik | which I have used a lot |
| 06:00.33 | Shirik | and I still hate it |
| 06:00.42 | Cide | and you argue that python is the same simply because they share a feature? |
| 06:00.52 | Shirik | no I hate python for many reasons |
| 06:00.54 | Shadowed | Sass also requires whitespace, it's not a huge hassle |
| 06:00.56 | Cide | C++ sucks because C is strongly typed and C sucks |
| 06:01.06 | Shadowed | but it gets annoying when I'm copying something quickly and it whines that the tabbing is inconsistent |
| 06:01.11 | Shadowed | when it was just something to quickly test with |
| 06:01.13 | cogwheel | nothing wrong with strongly typed |
| 06:01.20 | Shadowed | Strongly typed is the devillllll |
| 06:01.21 | Cide | who said there is? |
| 06:01.23 | cogwheel | just the way most languages implement it |
| 06:01.24 | Adys | hey |
| 06:01.31 | Adys | can we get off the whole python hate thing |
| 06:01.34 | Cide | no |
| 06:01.37 | Shadowed | agreed, let's hate Adys |
| 06:01.39 | Adys | and go back to something we can all agree on, like "php sucks"? |
| 06:01.39 | Shirik | I heard the most stupid thing from my coworker today |
| 06:01.39 | Cide | I want to hear why shirik hates python |
| 06:01.40 | Trela | Kraps: It is really that bad on Moon Guard. Just... do not go to Goldshire. |
| 06:01.42 | Shirik | nono |
| 06:01.43 | Cide | STOP |
| 06:01.43 | Shirik | new topic |
| 06:01.47 | Shirik | stupid thing my coworker said |
| 06:01.47 | Cide | let us know shirik |
| 06:01.49 | Adys | Cide, we heard it already |
| 06:01.52 | Cide | no we didn't |
| 06:01.56 | Cide | apparently he has lots of reasons |
| 06:01.59 | Cide | all but one untold |
| 06:02.01 | cogwheel | Shirik: i think *how* the whitespace is used is an important distinction |
| 06:02.01 | Shirik | in C# you can specify constraints on template parameters |
| 06:02.03 | Zhinjio | I like milk. |
| 06:02.21 | Jerub | Shadowed: have you looked into golang/ |
| 06:02.23 | Jerub | ? |
| 06:02.24 | Shirik | like void Foo<T>() where T : Bar { } |
| 06:02.25 | Shirik | etc. |
| 06:02.28 | Cide | ok |
| 06:02.28 | Shadowed | Jerub nope, I've heard about it thought |
| 06:02.29 | Shadowed | why |
| 06:02.29 | Shirik | means T must be derived from Bar |
| 06:02.32 | Shirik | so he goes to me |
| 06:02.33 | Cide | and this has to do with your python hate how? |
| 06:02.34 | Shadowed | oh this |
| 06:02.40 | Shadowed | Weren't you hating on this like 3 weeks ago |
| 06:02.40 | Jerub | Shadowed: it looks nice for a strongly typed language. |
| 06:02.43 | Shirik | "Why can't I do this if Bar is an enum" |
| 06:02.44 | Jerub | er strongly/statically. |
| 06:02.53 | Shadowed | I might look at it some point if I have a reason to pickup another language but |
| 06:02.59 | Shadowed | I assume it handles it better than Java does? |
| 06:02.59 | Shirik | and I'm sitting there like "what are you a moron? Why is it a template if you know what type it is" |
| 06:03.08 | Shirik | you can't derive from an enum |
| 06:03.21 | Shirik | oh god yes |
| 06:03.26 | Jerub | Shadowed: yeah, it looks okay. |
| 06:03.27 | Shirik | I'm still convinced Java doesn't have generics |
| 06:03.33 | Shadowed | Java is the devils language |
| 06:03.35 | Shirik | or are we talking about two different things |
| 06:03.39 | Shadowed | and I get to spend 2 years learning it :( |
| 06:03.39 | Cide | they have generics but generics are fucking hacked |
| 06:03.41 | Shadowed | 'learning' |
| 06:03.42 | Shirik | no |
| 06:03.44 | Shirik | they're not generics |
| 06:03.48 | Shirik | they're a compile-time constraint |
| 06:03.52 | Cide | ... |
| 06:03.55 | Cide | the name is "generics" |
| 06:03.58 | Cide | and so they have generics |
| 06:04.04 | Shirik | it's a pile of BS |
| 06:04.07 | Cide | definitely |
| 06:04.16 | Shirik | All it does is say "can these casts work?" |
| 06:04.21 | Shirik | and then it generates code as if everything was Object |
| 06:04.26 | Cide | yup |
| 06:04.30 | Shirik | that's not generics |
| 06:04.36 | Shirik | that's abuse of inheritance |
| 06:04.40 | Cide | and does fun stuff like trying to auto-box NULL into int |
| 06:04.42 | Shirik | with some compiler checking |
| 06:05.06 | cogwheel | stabs "everything is an object" philosophy |
| 06:05.06 | Cide | let's get back to your reasons for hating python |
| 06:05.09 | Shirik | Java is an awful OO language imo |
| 06:05.21 | Cide | besides whitespace |
| 06:05.22 | Shirik | their whole concept revolves around "inherit everything!" |
| 06:05.25 | Shadowed | Let's go on about how Java is the devil |
| 06:05.29 | Shirik | whereas correct OO is "inheritance is a last resort!" |
| 06:05.31 | Shadowed | That's more exciting |
| 06:05.39 | Cide | why are you not interested in hearing why he hates python but never mentions why? |
| 06:05.42 | Adys | [07:05:10] * cogwheel stabs "everything is an object" philosophy |
| 06:05.43 | Adys | why? |
| 06:05.47 | Shirik | because |
| 06:05.48 | Shirik | inheritance is evil |
| 06:06.07 | Shirik | inheritance, used properly, is great |
| 06:06.12 | Shirik | inheritance, used everywhere, is totally wrong |
| 06:06.13 | cogwheel | Adys: because it forces you to think about many types of problems in ways that don't fit naturally with the problem itself |
| 06:06.20 | Zhinjio | I think we should involve more ice cream in our discussions about the relative merits of different programming languages. |
| 06:06.20 | Cide | and multiple inheritance, used anywhere, is AWESOM |
| 06:06.23 | Cide | E |
| 06:06.25 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:06.26 | Zhinjio | It would be decidedly more yummy. |
| 06:06.29 | Adys | the object class has no specific other than basic oo principles; if you don't want to inherit, inherit off object |
| 06:06.34 | Adys | i don't see the issue |
| 06:06.51 | Cide | you need to have a class to start a program |
| 06:06.53 | Shirik | because then someone goes "Oh I'll just accept Object as a parameter here" |
| 06:06.56 | cogwheel | Adys: there is no reason to have a class called Math just to store math functions |
| 06:06.58 | Shirik | that's the same as void* |
| 06:07.05 | cogwheel | C++ uses namespaces for that |
| 06:07.08 | Shirik | It means you have a design flaw |
| 06:07.11 | Shirik | but Java lets you get away with it |
| 06:07.16 | Shirik | because half the Java library is a design flaw |
| 06:07.19 | Adys | cogwheel, yeah, there is no reason to do that |
| 06:07.24 | Adys | which is why you don't have to |
| 06:07.27 | Adys | where's the issue? |
| 06:07.32 | Cide | wait |
| 06:07.32 | Adys | hold on |
| 06:07.37 | Adys | are we still talking about python? |
| 06:07.41 | Adys | or did you guys drift on java? |
| 06:07.41 | Cide | Adys jumped on the "defend the stupid language" bandwagon? |
| 06:07.42 | Shirik | no.. |
| 06:07.44 | Shirik | we're on Java |
| 06:07.47 | cogwheel | many functions are just that. functions. they can work on many different types and have no reason to be restricted to a certain class |
| 06:07.49 | Adys | k, keep flaming |
| 06:07.50 | Adys | afk again! |
| 06:07.51 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:07.57 | Cide | what the fuck |
| 06:08.11 | Cide | how did he defend java and think it was about python |
| 06:08.14 | Cide | the two are not alike |
| 06:08.14 | Adys | dude |
| 06:08.20 | Cide | that's mind-boggling |
| 06:08.22 | Adys | [07:05:10] * cogwheel stabs "everything is an object" philosophy |
| 06:08.32 | Cide | python doesn't have that |
| 06:08.39 | Adys | what |
| 06:08.47 | Adys | it's a popular python catchphrase |
| 06:08.52 | Cide | no |
| 06:08.56 | Cide | it's a popular ruby catchphrase |
| 06:09.08 | Cide | python is much saner |
| 06:09.10 | Adys | yes, it's a popular-in-python ruby catchphrase |
| 06:09.18 | Zhinjio | I'm going to vote for the language that can make me a huge bowl of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream, covered in chocolate syrup and mixed up until its a big gloppy soup. Who's with me? |
| 06:09.20 | Zhinjio | brb to get said. |
| 06:09.42 | cogwheel | i want a language with every C++ design philosophy except C compatibility... |
| 06:10.02 | Shirik | yes!@ |
| 06:10.03 | Shirik | me too |
| 06:10.07 | Adys | "C compatibility"? |
| 06:10.08 | Cide | that's called E |
| 06:10.09 | Shirik | C++ did so much right |
| 06:10.15 | Jerub | i should bring this up |
| 06:10.19 | Jerub | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-5000-open-source-java.html |
| 06:10.21 | Cide | get it? |
| 06:10.21 | Shirik | the biggest flaws boil down to things that it had to inherit from C |
| 06:10.27 | Shadowed | yea that's still pretty funny |
| 06:10.31 | Shirik | like pointer casting |
| 06:10.34 | Shirik | if we could get rid of that |
| 06:10.35 | Shirik | omg |
| 06:10.38 | Shirik | I would be so happy |
| 06:10.48 | Adys | also Shirik out of curiousity did you check Go out? |
| 06:10.51 | Shirik | I did |
| 06:10.56 | Adys | thoughts? |
| 06:10.57 | Shirik | I'm still torn between whether or not I like it |
| 06:11.07 | Adys | nobody's talking about it anymore |
| 06:11.10 | Adys | which makes me sad |
| 06:11.10 | Shirik | yeah |
| 06:11.12 | Shirik | I was surprised |
| 06:11.15 | Jerub | Shirik: isn't one of C++'s biggest problems that all private members have to be availbale in the vtables and published externally? |
| 06:11.23 | Shirik | I thought it was going to be "google made it it must be awesome!" |
| 06:11.30 | Shirik | Jerub: Uh, only virtual functions are? |
| 06:11.31 | Jerub | Shirik: oo.o's binaries (this was '04) were >60% vtables. |
| 06:11.51 | Jerub | Shirik: i don't know what these terms mean. |
| 06:11.58 | Shirik | the keyword virtual |
| 06:12.04 | Adys | Jerub: that link = AHAHAHAAHAHA |
| 06:12.05 | Shirik | only if that's present on a function then it shows up in a vtable |
| 06:12.12 | Jerub | i mean 'addresses that can be looked up by name' |
| 06:12.22 | Shirik | that's not specified by C++ |
| 06:12.29 | Shirik | if that's done at all, that's up to the tool |
| 06:12.40 | Jerub | Shirik: it's required for 'friend' to actually work. |
| 06:12.43 | Shirik | VS doesn't unless you explicitly demand it with __declspec(dllexport) |
| 06:12.46 | Shirik | that's not true... |
| 06:12.49 | Shirik | I don't know where you read this |
| 06:13.00 | Jerub | Shirik: a long time ago |
| 06:13.09 | Shirik | friendship is only an instruction to the compiler saying "ignore access rules" |
| 06:13.17 | Shirik | everything else works exactly the same |
| 06:13.38 | Shirik | I mean, the program doesn't even check at run-time whether or not access is supposed to be available |
| 06:13.38 | Jerub | yeah, so without the names being exported in the symbol table you can't ignore the access rules. |
| 06:13.42 | Shirik | that's not true |
| 06:13.53 | Shirik | unlike Java, private/protected/public isn't checked at runtime |
| 06:14.16 | Shirik | you could theoretically forcibly get access to a private function |
| 06:14.25 | Shirik | it would require stuff that's technically UB, but it's possible |
| 06:14.51 | Shirik | C++ doesn't export names at all |
| 06:14.59 | Shirik | the vtable is just a list of addresses |
| 06:15.02 | Adys | [07:11:23] <Shirik> I thought it was going to be "google made it it must be awesome!" |
| 06:15.02 | Adys | well |
| 06:15.12 | Shirik | the compiler knows what index in that list to look |
| 06:15.14 | Shirik | that's it |
| 06:15.22 | Adys | the thing really is that scripting/vm languages are TehShit atm |
| 06:15.26 | Shirik | there's no relationship to name (and this is why multiple inheritance can bite you in the butt) |
| 06:15.50 | Shirik | Adys: I don't know I think Lua is done really well |
| 06:16.15 | Adys | and how doesn't lua fall in the vm/scripting language category |
| 06:16.15 | Adys | :p |
| 06:16.24 | Adys | well |
| 06:16.31 | Shirik | it does? |
| 06:16.38 | Adys | yes |
| 06:16.43 | Shirik | that was a statement |
| 06:16.46 | Shirik | I know it does |
| 06:16.47 | Adys | by TehShit i mean the only thing that really interests devs |
| 06:16.57 | Shirik | I'm not sure I agree with that statement |
| 06:17.05 | Shirik | I think Lua can be used as configuration files easily by non-developers |
| 06:17.08 | Adys | people interested in compiled languages will use C++ or C usually |
| 06:17.47 | Shirik | people interested in awesomess will use C++ and Lua only |
| 06:17.49 | Adys | i expected google to write their own language, but i definitely didn't expect it to be compiled |
| 06:18.06 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:18.09 | Shirik | I see what you're saying now |
| 06:18.15 | Shirik | sorry |
| 06:18.27 | Shirik | yeah well |
| 06:18.39 | Shirik | I still don't understand why google made their own language at all |
| 06:18.52 | Shirik | I read an interesting discussion on Google's marketing strategy |
| 06:19.02 | Shirik | but Go is the one thing that doesn't fit into it |
| 06:19.04 | Shirik | s/marketing/business/ |
| 06:19.19 | Adys | because when you're a company full of thousands of developers who take one fifth of their time thinking of ways to optimize their workflow |
| 06:19.31 | Adys | you end up with people recoding everything everywhere that has any sort of minor or major flaw |
| 06:19.46 | Cide | Adys is actually a recoded version of himself |
| 06:19.47 | Adys | ive been there and i think a lot of people in this channel have :p |
| 06:19.52 | Cide | of course he's mostly unfixable as it is |
| 06:20.05 | Adys | Cide: I'm private protected |
| 06:20.14 | Shirik | I saw someone rewrite DirectX |
| 06:20.16 | Shirik | in software |
| 06:20.17 | Cide | my members are not virtually exposed |
| 06:20.22 | Adys | Shirik |
| 06:20.24 | Adys | coughs |
| 06:20.25 | Adys | wine |
| 06:20.27 | Shirik | not me |
| 06:20.28 | Cide | btw |
| 06:20.29 | Shirik | ok wine is different |
| 06:20.30 | Shirik | that had a reason |
| 06:20.31 | Cide | did you know |
| 06:20.33 | Shirik | this was being run on .NET |
| 06:20.37 | Adys | ahah |
| 06:20.51 | Cide | there is a javascript library dedicated to emulating the whole PHP API in native javascript |
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| 06:21.09 | Adys | wine didn't rewrite directx tho i guess |
| 06:21.10 | Adys | it just maps stuff to opengl |
| 06:21.17 | Adys | meh |
| 06:21.25 | Cide | http://phpjs.org/ |
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| 06:21.37 | Shirik | the best part |
| 06:21.42 | Shirik | they bought this massive gaming card |
| 06:21.45 | Shirik | to run the software |
| 06:21.45 | Adys | mysql_exploit_random_flaw() |
| 06:21.46 | Adys | how do you do that in js! |
| 06:21.54 | Shirik | and I'm sitting here like "... why, it's not even using it" |
| 06:21.59 | Adys | gg |
| 06:22.00 | Cide | rofl |
| 06:22.04 | Shirik | omg that thing though |
| 06:22.06 | Shirik | they installed it |
| 06:22.10 | Shirik | and so it didn't have drivers yet |
| 06:22.16 | Adys | but like |
| 06:22.19 | Shirik | I swear to god you could hear it on the other side of the building |
| 06:22.19 | Adys | all of directx? |
| 06:22.29 | Shirik | because without the drivers the fan just maxes out |
| 06:22.33 | Adys | because that's absolutely huge |
| 06:22.38 | Shirik | ok it wasn't all of directx |
| 06:22.41 | Shirik | but it was a good portion of it |
| 06:22.44 | Shirik | the parts they needed |
| 06:22.48 | Cide | direct3d |
| 06:22.49 | Cide | gogo |
| 06:22.56 | Shirik | and direct2d |
| 06:23.01 | Shirik | or whatever it's called |
| 06:23.03 | Cide | and directd |
| 06:23.03 | Shirik | directdraw? |
| 06:23.07 | Cide | yeah |
| 06:23.07 | Shadowed | oh yea |
| 06:23.09 | Shadowed | phpjs was A+ |
| 06:23.11 | Adys | it's not directdeaw anymore |
| 06:23.18 | Adys | directdraw* |
| 06:23.19 | Adys | er |
| 06:23.21 | Jerub | i like mochikit |
| 06:23.28 | Jerub | which is basically enough of python in js to be livable. |
| 06:23.34 | Shirik | I don't know enough of what they're doing to say for sure what it is |
| 06:23.38 | Jerub | gives you map/reduce/filter + deferreds |
| 06:23.45 | Shirik | but suffice to say they have an entirely software-based graphics engine |
| 06:23.50 | Shirik | admittedly, it performs well |
| 06:23.51 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 06:23.54 | Shadowed | Cide |
| 06:23.54 | Shadowed | http://phpjs.org/functions/usleep:574#comment_118240 |
| 06:23.58 | Shirik | then again they're running it on like $7000 desktops |
| 06:24.06 | Cide | but whyyyyy |
| 06:24.09 | Cide | what's the use case? |
| 06:24.12 | Shirik | I haven't figured that part out yet |
| 06:24.20 | Cide | if you have $7000 desktops it's not like you lack hardware acceleration |
| 06:24.20 | Shirik | I even asked them once |
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| 06:24.25 | Adys | oh |
| 06:24.25 | Adys | "DirectDraw: Use of DirectDraw is no longer recommended. With the release of DirectX 9.0, all two-dimensional functionality is contained within Microsoft Direct3D and its associated helper functions in D3DX. However, the Microsoft DirectDraw documentation is still available and can be viewed on MSDN." |
| 06:24.27 | Shirik | and the answer was "because we were told to" |
| 06:24.34 | Shirik | oh dude |
| 06:24.35 | Cide | gg |
| 06:24.36 | Shirik | we have like |
| 06:24.40 | Shirik | $2k graphics cards in those things |
| 06:24.59 | Shirik | we definitely don't lack hardware acceleration |
| 06:25.13 | Shirik | they even support CUDA :) |
| 06:25.15 | Dagmar | If they cost $2k they were likely meant for a wholly different type of rendering |
| 06:25.17 | Shirik | (which they're not using) |
| 06:25.19 | Adys | [07:23:38] <Jerub> gives you map/reduce/filter + deferreds |
| 06:25.24 | Adys | doesnt that stuff go in 3k? |
| 06:25.26 | Shirik | no this is exactly the type of rendering they were made for :) |
| 06:25.28 | Shirik | not gaming |
| 06:25.37 | Dagmar | Drafting stuff then. Yeah. Those cost a damn mint |
| 06:25.56 | Shirik | what's stupid is they probably don't need to be that expensive |
| 06:25.57 | Adys | $2k just to have drivers flick a switch |
| 06:26.02 | Adys | sad |
| 06:26.05 | Shirik | but they target people that don't care about money |
| 06:26.07 | Jerub | Adys: uh, they leave the builtins i think. but in javascript you have proper lambdas, so it's as close as you can get to a list comprehension |
| 06:26.12 | Shirik | so they CAN be that expensive |
| 06:26.17 | Adys | yeah |
| 06:26.23 | Adys | as i said, it's just flicking a switch |
| 06:26.46 | Shirik | though to be fair those cards do have a lot of CUDA cores |
| 06:26.46 | Adys | Jerub: i want proper anonymous functions in python :( |
| 06:26.50 | Shirik | I don't think we use them |
| 06:26.52 | Shirik | but they're there |
| 06:27.17 | Jerub | Adys: sorry :( |
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| 06:27.25 | Adys | what are you sorry for |
| 06:27.29 | Adys | did you write lambdas or what |
| 06:27.37 | Cide | he did |
| 06:27.45 | Jerub | Adys: i'm sorry that you wont' get what you want |
| 06:28.07 | Cide | night~ |
| 06:28.17 | Adys | last i heard, python devs were just as displeased of lambdas as i was |
| 06:28.25 | Adys | but didnt have a good proposal by 3k |
| 06:29.00 | Adys | it's hard to think of one though when you don't have braces |
| 06:29.06 | zenzio | I think Half-Life showed us not to trust lambda stuff |
| 06:29.07 | Adys | or without adding an end keyword |
| 06:29.34 | Shadowed | javascript is the devil too by the way |
| 06:29.41 | Shadowed | and I hate whoever decided for IE that trailing , would cause parse errors |
| 06:29.51 | Adys | Shadowed: I don't even fix that anymore |
| 06:29.54 | Adys | fuck ie |
| 06:29.55 | Jerub | this is basically the only reaosn that indentation for syntax is annoying |
| 06:30.09 | Adys | well |
| 06:30.09 | Jerub | a good anonymous function defintion is hard to express. |
| 06:30.36 | Adys | def(a, b, c): foo(); bar(); return a+b end |
| 06:30.38 | Adys | or something |
| 06:30.41 | Adys | i don't know.. |
| 06:31.02 | Adys | but that totally doesn't look like python anymore |
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| 06:43.59 | Adys | http://failblog.org/2010/07/27/orchestra-fail/ |
| 06:43.59 | Adys | :( |
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| 06:46.45 | Dagmar | Adys: Yes, some music teachers really do suck, and some kids are entirely tone-deaf |
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| 06:52.31 | Trela | Dagmar: They are rampaging elephants. Do not be fooled! |
| 06:53.04 | Dagmar | That's just the brass section |
| 06:53.36 | Dagmar | I can play most of that section, but almost nothing in the woodwinds |
| 06:54.01 | Dagmar | Now, imagine you're a kid, and your music teacher doesn't know how to play the instrument you picked, and you dont' know how to play it, either/ |
| 06:54.35 | Adys | i had to go in pulseaudio control and specifically enable internal audio in order to listen to this |
| 06:54.38 | Trela | Oh, I know. |
| 06:54.54 | Trela | I play the tuba, cello, clarinet, and the flute. |
| 06:54.59 | Dagmar | I was lucky in high school. My teachers could both play just about anything you threw at them really well |
| 06:55.04 | Trela | I still can not tell you what a note is just be hearing it. |
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| 06:55.10 | Dagmar | So, my high school band kicked holy ass on a stage |
| 06:55.13 | Trela | *by |
| 06:55.18 | Dagmar | Grade 6 pieces, A ratings all the way |
| 06:55.45 | Trela | I need a new flute. |
| 06:56.31 | Dagmar | I can't tell you what a note is by hearing it either, I can reproduce it later tho and I can always tell how far one is from another |
| 06:56.55 | Dagmar | s'why I was good at trombone |
| 06:57.10 | Trela | That is a good quality of a trombone player. |
| 06:58.01 | Dagmar | Unfortunately for people's ears, teaching band pays less than playing in one. Hehe |
| 06:58.50 | Dagmar | That fail blog entry just makes me kinda sad. I've definitely heard variations on it in person |
| 06:59.13 | Dagmar | ...and it's common |
| 06:59.19 | Trela | Yep. |
| 06:59.34 | Trela | I would love to get back into tuba playing, but they cost a lot even used. |
| 06:59.54 | Jerub | 20k or so for a new tuba. |
| 06:59.56 | Dagmar | Haha you also need a special place to practice |
| 06:59.58 | Jerub | could buy a car. |
| 07:00.02 | Dagmar | Oh holy hell no |
| 07:00.06 | Dagmar | You can get them for less than that |
| 07:00.12 | Trela | $5,000 for a good tuba. |
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| 07:00.20 | Trela | $2,000 for a cheap 3/4 size. |
| 07:00.21 | Jerub | i played trumpet and euphonium. |
| 07:00.44 | Dagmar | You don't exactly want to be toting around a sousaphone tho |
| 07:00.49 | Dagmar | Those things are massive |
| 07:00.54 | Trela | Dagmar: I am in the middle of no where. :D No one to annoy! |
| 07:01.13 | Jerub | i played eupho because i had braces and you can't have braces on your top teeth and play trumpet with any quality. |
| 07:01.31 | Jerub | then after i got the braces off they didn't like that i wanted to go back to trumpet... :/ |
| 07:01.46 | Dagmar | Heh your range on the low end would crush them all is why |
| 07:01.49 | Trela | People who want to play tuba in school are rare. |
| 07:02.07 | Jerub | playing eupho was weird |
| 07:02.15 | Jerub | the other eupho player was taught in bass clef |
| 07:02.23 | Jerub | and i came from trumpet so i played treble clef. |
| 07:02.37 | Dagmar | Yeah well, hahha lucky me |
| 07:02.38 | Trela | I have paper wadded up under the pads of my flute and taped into place. |
| 07:02.42 | Jerub | so we both had our own sets of music and had to turn pages even though we were playing the same chart |
| 07:02.45 | Dagmar | I went to Tuba Christmas on a loaner once |
| 07:02.57 | Dagmar | I was expecting to be loaned a touba |
| 07:02.59 | Dagmar | er tuba. |
| 07:03.21 | Dagmar | I got handed a euphonium |
| 07:03.49 | Dagmar | I thought it was a baritone horn |
| 07:04.12 | Dagmar | I was like "Yay! I've played a baritone once in my life," having marched a sousaphone around the two years previous |
| 07:05.03 | Dagmar | Drove me nuts the whole time |
| 07:05.23 | Jerub | Dagmar: played trumpet or cornet? |
| 07:05.37 | Dagmar | I'm trying to both remember how to play with buttons, and figure out why it sounds weird the whole time |
| 07:05.45 | Jerub | hehehe |
| 07:05.54 | Dagmar | Jerub: No little teeny mouthpieces for me |
| 07:06.09 | Jerub | fair enough |
| 07:06.11 | Dagmar | I started on trombone and just kinda went down in octaves from there |
| 07:06.30 | Dagmar | Bass trombone with an F trigger, then a baritone for a *day* and then got punted to sousaphone because we needed one |
| 07:06.36 | Dagmar | lol I weighed 85 lbs |
| 07:06.57 | Dagmar | *not fun* when the wind picks up |
| 07:07.26 | Dagmar | I actually had a judge at a festival demand I be fed starch on the tapes |
| 07:08.04 | Dagmar | I wish playing payed money because I liked it |
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| 07:22.37 | Wimpface_ | I've forgotten the macro to get the name of the frame you're currently mousing over :( |
| 07:24.16 | Zhinjio | GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 07:24.52 | Zhinjio | do a /print with that or throw it to the DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME or something |
| 07:28.07 | Wimpface_ | Thanks |
| 07:28.19 | Wimpface_ | GetMouseFocus was where I went wrong. |
| 07:33.23 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i started on bass trombone too but only lasted a year, apparently you shouldnt try to be in a school band if you had apraxia (dispraxia but more specifically called childhood apraxia of speech) it just doesnt work |
| 07:34.09 | Wimpface_ | What's apraxia? |
| 07:34.33 | Arrowmaster | wiki dispraxia |
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| 07:38.36 | Dagmar | oof |
| 07:39.37 | Dagmar | That must've been pretty frustrating |
| 07:39.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 07:40.32 | Arrowmaster | i mean i probably could have stuck with it but i would never have been able to keep up thoughout the years |
| 07:42.05 | Shirik | so |
| 07:42.09 | Shirik | who here has seen Inception? |
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| 07:42.38 | Shirik | yall suck :( |
| 07:42.40 | Arrowmaster | i have |
| 07:42.45 | Shirik | yay |
| 07:42.51 | Shirik | pop quiz: final scene, dream or not? |
| 07:43.46 | Shadowed | dream |
| 07:44.03 | Shirik | why do you think that? |
| 07:44.10 | Shadowed | Because I said so |
| 07:44.15 | Shirik | have you seen the movie... |
| 07:44.17 | Arrowmaster | umm it was obvious what it was |
| 07:44.17 | Shadowed | and if I have to argue this I will dumb you in mexico at blizzcon |
| 07:44.18 | Shadowed | yes |
| 07:44.36 | Shadowed | dump even |
| 07:44.38 | Shirik | it's actually not ambiguous at all |
| 07:44.44 | Shirik | I found this out today - it must be real |
| 07:44.45 | Shadowed | Mexico Shirik |
| 07:44.46 | Shadowed | MEXICO |
| 07:44.49 | Shirik | not a dream |
| 07:45.04 | Arrowmaster | why do you say that? |
| 07:45.08 | Shirik | The key here is the totem |
| 07:45.16 | Shirik | the problem is this: His totem is not the spinny thing |
| 07:45.21 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: cause Hollywood wouldn't lie to us! |
| 07:45.49 | Shirik | In EVERY dream scene, he is wearing a wedding ring. In EVERY real scene, he is not. |
| 07:45.58 | Shirik | and it is quite clear that he is/isn't |
| 07:46.03 | Shirik | like the camera gives a very good shot |
| 07:46.12 | Shirik | In the final scene, he is not wearing a ring |
| 07:46.18 | zenzio | maybe they changed it in the last scene to fuck with you? |
| 07:46.19 | batrick | ssh has the worst error messages |
| 07:46.33 | batrick | if you have your key in the wrong directory you get |
| 07:46.34 | batrick | PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
| 07:46.34 | batrick | Connection to batbytes.com closed. |
| 07:46.38 | batrick | awesome huh? |
| 07:46.39 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i dont think you could see that kinda detail when i watched it |
| 07:46.48 | Shirik | It's very clear |
| 07:47.08 | Shirik | I only found this out today though :( |
| 07:47.09 | Dagmar | It says you suck ptys |
| 07:47.16 | Shirik | but I went back and checked it |
| 07:47.20 | Shadowed | the thing about it is this |
| 07:47.31 | Arrowmaster | you went the the theater again? |
| 07:47.38 | Shirik | it's like $5 |
| 07:47.39 | Arrowmaster | or not? |
| 07:47.42 | Shirik | I make that in like 2 minutes |
| 07:47.50 | Arrowmaster | get me a job |
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| 07:48.13 | Shadowed | At the start of the movie, when he's on the phone with his kids, he can't recognize their voices and it's pretty much implied throughout the movie that he's been gone for a long time Shirik |
| 07:48.21 | Shadowed | throughout the movie when they show the kids they look the same |
| 07:48.29 | Shirik | except at the end |
| 07:48.35 | Shirik | I've heard that argument too |
| 07:48.37 | Shadowed | no they look the same at the end too |
| 07:48.40 | Shadowed | anyway |
| 07:48.42 | Shirik | no? |
| 07:48.49 | Shadowed | I'm not arguing Inception with you |
| 07:48.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:48.57 | Shadowed | cause it's a stupid thing to argue since it's intended to be open ended :p |
| 07:48.59 | Shirik | anyway, the wedding ring is pretty indisputable to me |
| 07:49.03 | Shirik | actually |
| 07:49.05 | Shirik | the kicker for me |
| 07:49.06 | Shadowed | Shirik |
| 07:49.08 | Shadowed | I swear to god |
| 07:49.11 | Shadowed | I will dump you in mexico |
| 07:49.15 | Shirik | the director is known not to leave open ended movies :) |
| 07:49.17 | Shadowed | you will be riding on a cart with a donkey |
| 07:49.35 | Shirik | I WILL PROVE IT |
| 07:49.37 | Shirik | at blizzcon |
| 07:49.38 | Shadowed | and some mexican guy who doesn't speak english |
| 07:49.40 | Shirik | I will take you to another showing |
| 07:49.46 | zenzio | Shadowed: just let it go, you'll hurt Shirik's fragile feelings if you don't pretend to agree with his misconceptions |
| 07:49.49 | Shirik | we will be the only ones in the theatre |
| 07:49.50 | zenzio | ;) |
| 07:49.55 | Shirik | so I can yell at you |
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| 07:50.13 | Shirik | zenzio when will you learn |
| 07:50.15 | Shirik | I'm always right |
| 07:50.22 | Shadowed | I don't think it'll be in theaters by then |
| 07:50.25 | zenzio | Shadowed: see, he just proved my point |
| 07:50.32 | Shirik | I will buy out the theaterr |
| 07:50.36 | Shirik | so that it will be |
| 07:50.36 | Shadowed | zenzio it's easy to always be right |
| 07:50.39 | Shadowed | if you never admit to being wrong |
| 07:50.46 | Shirik | I'm right about never being wrong |
| 07:51.00 | Shirik | circular logic ftmfw |
| 07:51.22 | zenzio | you're wrong about always being right |
| 07:51.25 | Shirik | obviously now I'm not being serious |
| 07:51.32 | Shirik | as is most of the things I say on IRC |
| 07:51.38 | Shirik | however I'm adamant about the wedding ring |
| 07:51.43 | zenzio | people being unserious on the intarwebs? Alert the media! |
| 07:51.48 | Shadowed | Shirik is basically like fisker |
| 07:51.49 | Shadowed | but with O |
| 07:51.55 | Shadowed | and so I can't ban him :( |
| 07:52.00 | Shirik | sure you can |
| 07:52.06 | Shadowed | well |
| 07:52.08 | Shadowed | I can't make it stick |
| 07:52.09 | Shirik | however it would get you kicked |
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| 07:52.18 | Dagmar | I'm actually impressed at how crap The Fourth Kind is |
| 07:52.33 | Shirik | my client retaliates at anyone that tries to ban me (if it can) |
| 07:52.33 | Dagmar | Theatres must have been boring as hell for this to have taken in money |
| 07:53.04 | Shadowed | The name makes it sound bad |
| 07:53.13 | Shirik | wtf is the fourth kind |
| 07:53.50 | Shirik | ok Shadowed / Arrowmaster I concede |
| 07:53.59 | Shirik | I'm willing to bet when the DVD comes out, they will explain it |
| 07:54.07 | Shirik | in "extra features" |
| 07:54.07 | Shadowed | if you say agree to disagree I will smite you |
| 07:54.07 | Shirik | and then I'll be like IN YOUR FACE |
| 07:54.14 | Shadowed | you have too much free time |
| 07:54.25 | Shirik | that being said |
| 07:54.32 | Shirik | why the hell does it take so long to release DVDs these days |
| 07:54.35 | Dagmar | Apparently there's enough people who just wanna see Milla Jovovitch that it took in $45 million |
| 07:54.39 | Shirik | it's not like we have to convert to fullscreen anymore |
| 07:54.49 | zenzio | Shirik: so theaters won't lose all their customers |
| 07:54.53 | Shirik | but like |
| 07:54.54 | Shadowed | milking the stone |
| 07:55.00 | Shirik | don't they come out months after the theaters stop showing it? |
| 07:55.12 | Shadowed | look Shirik |
| 07:55.13 | Shadowed | you don't understand the movie industry |
| 07:55.15 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: they still have to redo the sound |
| 07:55.15 | Shadowed | it's a complicated place |
| 07:55.17 | Shirik | no I don't |
| 07:55.22 | Shadowed | of smoke and mirrors |
| 07:55.25 | Shadowed | Also drugs |
| 07:55.25 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Point taken |
| 07:55.31 | Shirik | and the MPAA |
| 07:55.31 | Arrowmaster | you cant just take the theater sound and put it on dvd/bd |
| 07:55.44 | Shirik | I think you can |
| 07:55.44 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure going from theater sound -> DVD/BD sound isn't that complicated? |
| 07:55.49 | Arrowmaster | no you cant |
| 07:55.52 | zenzio | depending on region they also have to do subtitles in many languages |
| 07:55.53 | Shirik | but it wouldn't be useful |
| 07:55.57 | Shirik | since nobody has theater sound systems |
| 07:55.59 | Dagmar | It takes drugs to make movie execs functional, and drugs aren't cheap, people! |
| 07:56.08 | Shadowed | It's not like movies get immediately released after they finish production either |
| 07:56.21 | Shirik | omg |
| 07:56.29 | Shirik | I also learned something else about the movie industry today |
| 07:56.32 | Shadowed | it would be pretty simple for them to say, do all of the reencoding before it's in theaters so it's ready to go to DVD as soon as it's out of theaters etc |
| 07:56.33 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: yeah they go into post-production |
| 07:56.39 | Dagmar | Shirik: Actually you can get a 7.1 system for like $300 now pretty easily |
| 07:56.40 | Shadowed | right just saying |
| 07:56.45 | Shirik | did you know some stars actually insure their breasts? |
| 07:56.45 | zenzio | Shirik: I think it's also a stigma thing... if they released the DVD too quickly, the movie would be branded "straight to DVD" |
| 07:56.50 | Shadowed | They could probably get things to DVD faster if they really wanted |
| 07:57.12 | zenzio | <Shirik> did you know some stars actually insure their breasts? <-- this sort of thing was news 15 years ago |
| 07:57.19 | Arrowmaster | ive seen some movies that are on dvd one month after theater release |
| 07:57.20 | Shirik | FU I LIVE IN FRONT OF A COMPUTER |
| 07:57.23 | Shadowed | Shirik's RSS was backlogged zenzio! |
| 07:57.28 | zenzio | Shadowed: doh! |
| 07:57.43 | Shirik | hey did you hear about that Y2K thing? |
| 07:57.53 | Shadowed | They can probably milk sales in theaters for a fair bit of time thought |
| 07:57.57 | Shadowed | especially for popular movies |
| 07:58.03 | Shirik | I still remember all my school's computers having little "Y2K Pass" stickers on them |
| 07:58.09 | Shirik | and I was sitting there like "you guys are morons" |
| 07:58.10 | zenzio | I was so disappinted in Y2K |
| 07:58.16 | zenzio | disappointed also |
| 07:58.23 | Shirik | I ran a test |
| 07:58.29 | Shirik | on my old 486 |
| 07:58.32 | Shirik | running Windows 3.11 |
| 07:58.44 | Shirik | I think it was a 486 |
| 07:58.48 | Shirik | I don't remember, but anyway |
| 07:58.50 | zenzio | Shirik: the summer before Y2K, "computer savvy" people here were saying 9.9.99 would confuse computers too, and I was like... what? |
| 07:59.01 | Shirik | I started it up |
| 07:59.06 | Shirik | and it worked |
| 07:59.20 | Shirik | the date was totally wrong, but it didn't explode, it didn't catch fire, it didn't turn into a primitive skynet |
| 07:59.24 | Shirik | it said the wrong date |
| 07:59.27 | Shirik | and that's it |
| 07:59.34 | Shirik | it didn't even say 1900 |
| 07:59.39 | Shirik | it said something like 1920 |
| 07:59.43 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: actually it did, but it wasnt the computers in general but the specific software, some fuck tards wrote software that used 9.9.99 to mean an invalid date |
| 07:59.44 | Shirik | which I never could explain but it did it anyway |
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| 08:00.07 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: yeah, that's just people being stupid :-) |
| 08:00.09 | Shirik | What's funny is we have another Y2K coming up |
| 08:00.13 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: because the software required something that looked like a date to be entered |
| 08:00.19 | Shirik | because there's still software out there that allows users to enter years with 2 digits |
| 08:00.29 | Shirik | so at some point it has to make a transition between 19__ and 20__ |
| 08:00.38 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster hahah |
| 08:00.43 | Shadowed | awesome |
| 08:01.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah it was apparently a real issue in some major appointment tracking software |
| 08:01.13 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: That is epic fail |
| 08:01.30 | Shirik | I bet that guy is coding in Java now |
| 08:01.37 | Shirik | the guy that came up with that solution |
| 08:01.53 | Shadowed | moral of the story is |
| 08:01.58 | zenzio | maybe he was the guy behind TRUE, FALSE, FILE_NOT_FOUND |
| 08:02.00 | Shadowed | most programmers shouldn't be allowed to touch a computer |
| 08:02.00 | Shirik | you would think you could at least use a date in the past |
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| 08:02.15 | Shirik | we should go back to punch cards |
| 08:02.17 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: the 20__ to 19__ switch is in the 50s or so i think |
| 08:02.22 | Shirik | there was no Y2K in punch cards |
| 08:02.49 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: That should be interesting |
| 08:03.05 | Shirik | like hell, even Excel is vulnerable |
| 08:03.07 | Arrowmaster | nah none of that software will be running then |
| 08:03.16 | Shirik | Since when you type something like 1/20/87 it interprets that as jan 20 1987 |
| 08:03.27 | Shirik | what happens in 2087? |
| 08:03.53 | Shirik | Arrowmaster |
| 08:03.57 | Arrowmaster | you kill anybody still dumb enough to be using excel 2010 |
| 08:03.58 | Shirik | we're still running fortran software |
| 08:04.03 | zenzio | let's just worry about when Shirik gets around to coding real world software... he'll make us use Star Dates |
| 08:04.09 | Shirik | omg |
| 08:04.14 | Shirik | that's a brilliant idea |
| 08:04.38 | Shirik | I could even do it too |
| 08:04.39 | Arrowmaster | why, 64bit signed int posix epoch value is all you need |
| 08:04.42 | Shirik | the debug output port gets run through this filter to come up with timestamps |
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| 08:04.55 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: signed? Does that allow for dates pre-1970? |
| 08:04.55 | Shirik | I could rewrite it to output stardates instead of ISO whatever the hell it is dates |
| 08:05.08 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:05.16 | Shirik | we do that now with 32-bit numbers |
| 08:05.18 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: yes, all posix epoch values are signed right now even in 32bit anyway |
| 08:05.35 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:05.40 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:05.43 | Shirik | we were just talking about you |
| 08:05.44 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: hm, must have just been MySQL being a bitch about TIMESTAMP fields then (maybe just our version also) |
| 08:06.11 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt be supprised if MySQL doesnt use posix epoch at all |
| 08:06.34 | Arrowmaster | fucking horrible software nobody should use |
| 08:06.36 | batrick | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/08/verizon-droid-android-update/ :( |
| 08:07.15 | zenzio | I don't understand why these carriers keep restricting their devices like that |
| 08:07.19 | batrick | guess i may be rooting my droid soon : / |
| 08:07.31 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 08:07.36 | Fisker | why were you talking about me? |
| 08:07.41 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: because they dont want you doing that kinda stuff on their network and think they can get away with it |
| 08:08.43 | Fisker | HEY SHIRIK |
| 08:09.15 | zenzio | "MAJORITY is a number. Numbers don't have to be expressed as 1234567890. Majority means over 50% and last time I checked >50% requires a numerical expression in order to actually be accurate" |
| 08:09.43 | Shirik | zenzio: To force you to upgrade |
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| 08:10.16 | Shirik | If someone doesn't have a reason to upgrade, they won't |
| 08:10.24 | Shirik | um |
| 08:10.25 | Shirik | zenzelezz |
| 08:10.32 | Shirik | majority does not mean over 50% |
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| 08:10.41 | Shirik | that's a plurality |
| 08:10.46 | Shirik | majority only means "the most" |
| 08:11.16 | Fisker | why do i hate you Shirik ? |
| 08:11.22 | zenzio | Shirik: was a quote from the MMOC forums... I'm amused how serious these guys get |
| 08:11.28 | Shirik | oh |
| 08:11.29 | Shirik | MMOC |
| 08:11.34 | Shirik | not surprised it's wrong then |
| 08:11.37 | Shirik | they are second only to EJ imo |
| 08:11.38 | zenzio | sadly, yes |
| 08:11.53 | zenzio | yet I can't stop checking it occasionally |
| 08:12.04 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 08:15.34 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 08:17.04 | Fisker | Torhal_ |
| 08:17.06 | Fisker | Shirik is a jerk |
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| 08:19.18 | Fisker | jeg boller dig Shirik |
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| 09:10.01 | Fisker | hey roboe |
| 09:10.05 | Fisker | 31108? |
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| 09:32.29 | Fisker | imma kill ya Shirik |
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| 09:35.14 | Fisker | olafski |
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| 09:35.28 | Fisker | can you help me by hating Shirik ? |
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| 09:39.31 | Krahg | is download 40.49 Mbps good? I thought I was paying for 1000kbps. I am not sure I understand the difference. |
| 09:40.02 | Grum | Krahg: little more context ftw :) |
| 09:40.12 | Krahg | My wife's boss told us we were getting Gigabit something, maybe I lost something in translation. |
| 09:40.52 | Krahg | I saw the new launcher is only for people with 1M speed other wise you have to quit playing and download the game again. |
| 09:41.10 | Krahg | so I was just running a speed test, and that is my speed. |
| 09:41.14 | Grum | the new launches is completely optional |
| 09:41.18 | Krahg | http://www.speedtest.net/result/902705380.png |
| 09:41.31 | Krahg | if you trust a site in korea |
| 09:41.51 | Grum | also 1000kbps is not even close to gigabit |
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| 09:42.18 | Krahg | My wife's boss causes serious communication problems with us. |
| 09:42.31 | Krahg | He won't speak Korean and he doesn't really speak english. |
| 09:42.48 | Krahg | (Until he get's angry) |
| 09:42.55 | Grum | first of all, you cannot test the full speed of gigabit internet with speedtest.net |
| 09:43.48 | Grum | second, you have at least 40mbit so yeah, you can download with 5mb/s |
| 09:43.55 | Krahg | ok, I didn't realize that. |
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| 09:44.25 | Grum | and what was the real question? :D |
| 09:44.26 | Krahg | the B stands for bits though right? Since it is a small b |
| 09:44.39 | Grum | well ... speedtests gives it in mbit not mb/s |
| 09:44.42 | Grum | so its kinda lying |
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| 09:45.17 | Grum | at least my line is 100/100mbit and speedtests gives 70/50 atm http://www.speedtest.net/result/902707351.png |
| 09:46.05 | Krahg | ok so mine is kind of slow |
| 09:46.28 | Grum | slow? |
| 09:46.37 | Grum | i think about everyone would consider your line fast |
| 09:46.56 | Krahg | it's about half the speed of yours, I think. |
| 09:47.28 | Krahg | When we lived in Shinnae-dong it really was much faster than this. |
| 09:48.18 | Grum | 'it was much faster', in what way? on speedtest.net tests? |
| 09:48.24 | Grum | or in actual download speed? |
| 09:48.28 | Grum | only the latter matters |
| 09:48.33 | Krahg | practically instant movies |
| 09:49.03 | Fisker | http://www.speedtest.net/result/877184234.png |
| 09:49.31 | Grum | Fisker: lal |
| 09:49.40 | Grum | shitupload;) |
| 09:49.46 | Fisker | qq moar Grum |
| 09:49.51 | Grum | Krahg: and now you have to wait 2 minutes? |
| 09:50.02 | Krahg | hold on a second |
| 09:50.17 | Grum | you have rather vague definitions ;) |
| 09:50.45 | Krahg | 4.39gb estimate = 42 minutes |
| 09:51.46 | Grum | i think you are just getting it from a location which is shitty |
| 09:51.47 | Krahg | In Shinnae and Suji (i) dong that would have been less than 10 or 20 |
| 09:52.06 | Krahg | We still live in Suji, but this complex is kinda of old :( |
| 09:52.27 | Krahg | it's about 10 years older than the one we lived in year before last. |
| 09:53.16 | Krahg | For a complex built in 1995 the community around us thinks we live in the slums |
| 09:53.33 | Krahg | which is odd because it's really a pretty nice place |
| 09:53.34 | Grum | your line should be able to download 4gb in .. well in 14 minutes orso |
| 09:54.41 | Krahg | I downloaded SC2 in less than 20 minutes so maybe I am doing something wrong and blizzard set thier own software up properly. |
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| 09:55.49 | Grum | if you download a dvd in 40 minutes you are downloading at 1.8mb/s orso |
| 09:56.20 | Grum | which would be ~14 mbit |
| 09:57.37 | Grum | but your line should be able to do ~3 times that |
| 09:57.42 | Krahg | right now I have four around 400kb/s .... two at around 200kb/s ... one 140 and a 27. I wonder what is making the 27kb/s so messed up. |
| 09:57.50 | Grum | so well .. something is limiting your traffic, and its probably the remote side ;) |
| 09:57.58 | Krahg | and what I can do to get them all faster |
| 09:58.05 | Grum | upgrade the internet? |
| 09:58.21 | Krahg | involves talking to the wifes boss |
| 09:58.33 | Krahg | but believe me we have tried |
| 09:58.39 | Grum | i think you dont quite realize that you having a certain bandwidth is not going to make you be able to utilize that full bandwidth to whatever location you connect |
| 09:59.13 | Grum | you transfer at slowest of available bandwidths |
| 09:59.35 | Grum | so even if yours is gbit, if someone else only servers out data at 40mbit then well ... fuck your gbit ;) |
| 09:59.44 | Krahg | Her company has a Foreign Relations liasnce (my spelling on that is really bad) who speak pretty darn good english |
| 10:00.08 | Krahg | Imperceptible from a native speaker, that good. Better than leet speak punks |
| 10:00.48 | Krahg | but ... can't stand dealing with foreigners and will not speak with us |
| 10:00.56 | Grum | Krahg: that is not as much relevant to your 'problems' |
| 10:01.03 | Grum | i don't even think you actually *have* a problem |
| 10:01.05 | Krahg | (which just seems bizzare) |
| 10:01.10 | Krahg | Ok, |
| 10:01.32 | Krahg | I don't download that much anyway |
| 10:01.45 | Grum | in this case, just find another location to download frmo |
| 10:01.51 | Grum | (where are you even downloading from?) |
| 10:02.02 | Krahg | I just became curious when I read about the speed requirement on the new launcher |
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| 10:02.44 | Grum | Krahg: you also realize the new launcher is completely optional |
| 10:02.45 | Grum | ? |
| 10:03.05 | Krahg | I really didn't understand that |
| 10:03.28 | Grum | you dont have to use the new 'download on demand' launcher O.o |
| 10:10.40 | Fisker | i lold btw |
| 10:10.46 | Fisker | someone stole some apple hardware |
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| 10:10.55 | Fisker | so they published a list of devices that people shouldn't buy |
| 10:10.59 | Fisker | I got a better one ;3 |
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| 10:21.40 | Krahg | thanks |
| 10:22.39 | Krahg | ~purl what time is it |
| 10:22.41 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Krahg |
| 10:22.58 | Krahg | ok |
| 10:29.20 | cbreak_work | purl sez it |
| 10:29.25 | cbreak_work | it is lunch time! |
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| 10:30.25 | Arrowmaster | i hate you all for talking about your connection speeds |
| 10:30.28 | Arrowmaster | http://www.speedtest.net/result/902746302.png |
| 10:30.45 | Arrowmaster | its fucking 6:30am here so thats the only reason its that high |
| 10:30.54 | zenzio | nice an synchronous |
| 10:30.57 | zenzio | *and |
| 10:31.12 | cbreak_work | hmm. I have about 40mbit down, 3mbit up last time I measured |
| 10:31.28 | cbreak_work | well, here I probably have more |
| 10:31.48 | Arrowmaster | 7mbit down, 0.5mbit up once a connection gets past a few kilobytes |
| 10:32.05 | Arrowmaster | actually i think its around 20megabytes |
| 10:32.44 | cbreak_work | http://www.speedtest.net/result/902748306.png :) |
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| 10:33.22 | Grum | cbreak_work: that looks like my homeline .. luvely! |
| 10:33.31 | Torhal_ | Arrowmaster: For your perusal - http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/grizzly-shared-media/ |
| 10:33.42 | cbreak_work | I don't get that much at home :( |
| 10:34.09 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: if there is anything at all in there from SharedMedia, then no |
| 10:34.32 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I'm not sure if the fonts/textures/whatnot he includes are from SharedMedia or not. |
| 10:35.07 | Torhal | Zip is 5 megs, though. |
| 10:35.16 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: just plain no |
| 10:36.01 | Arrowmaster | his Core.lua is the one i wrote for SharedMedia when i made it support all fucking 3 shared media libraries at once (i think somebody else has changed it in SharedMedia by now) |
| 10:36.18 | Torhal | Eh, I nuked it with the reason "Uploading another author's work" since it was a collection of shit that he obviously didn't make |
| 10:37.03 | Arrowmaster | from the release version of his zip |
| 10:37.07 | Arrowmaster | Media.revision = tonumber(string.sub("$Revision$", 12, -3)) or 1 |
| 10:37.08 | Torhal | "All credit goes to the original authors" usually goes to the "Unauthorized Fan Update" bin, but this seemed worse |
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| 10:38.20 | Torhal | There are two LDB "ports" of old FuBar AddOns in the queue as well. One belongs to WobWork, so I need to see what he thinks. |
| 10:38.21 | Arrowmaster | lol the embeds.xml is empty |
| 10:38.26 | Torhal | Hah |
| 10:38.46 | Torhal | People are starting to abuse Ace3 the way Ace2 used to be abused. |
| 10:38.58 | Torhal | I actually saw someone say that they "Ace3ified" it |
| 10:39.03 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.07 | Arrowmaster | AB1.tga AceBarFrames.tga Otravi.tga Smooth.tga |
| 10:40.14 | Arrowmaster | yeah i can tell where the status bars came from |
| 10:40.26 | Arrowmaster | pokes haste |
| 10:40.32 | Spejnar | is it decent practice to register player_regen_disabled/enabled then in onevent check for it and then setscript to your onupdate function, then removing that script once you exit combat? |
| 10:42.32 | Arrowmaster | i love this "3.02 - removed some fonts, they were copyrighted" in the change log |
| 10:42.48 | Arrowmaster | yet i can tell at a glance that over half the fonts in this thing are copyrighted |
| 10:44.03 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: that rejection message gets the url cut off |
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| 10:44.59 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: looks like it cut off his connection too |
| 10:51.17 | Fisker | i cut you off |
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| 10:52.48 | Fisker | i'm sick |
| 10:52.51 | Fisker | siick i tell you |
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| 11:07.07 | Spejnar | How can I get the current active weapon? The weapon used to cause the current melee dmg that is |
| 11:08.14 | yoshimo | is it possible to get a list of players that are targeting me while idling in dalaran? |
| 11:08.37 | Spejnar | pretty sure there is since some addons yell "aggro" if you get targetted, this works in pvp also |
| 11:12.17 | Grum | Spejnar: that is only when someone (you or party/raid member) targets that person targetting you |
| 11:12.25 | Grum | and then you seeing the targetoftarget |
| 11:12.39 | Spejnar | oh |
| 11:12.57 | Spejnar | what about getting the current active weapon? ^^ |
| 11:13.22 | Grum | just get the item from the inventory slot? :) |
| 11:13.47 | Spejnar | but how would I know if its the melee or ranged weapon then? |
| 11:13.52 | Grum | afaik you cannot distinguish between MH/OH hits |
| 11:14.05 | Grum | Spejnar: because they make different combatlog entries? |
| 11:14.05 | Spejnar | not sure we need to care for ranged but might be good to know |
| 11:14.55 | Spejnar | swing vs range I guess |
| 11:15.06 | Grum | yeah |
| 11:15.23 | Spejnar | oh well, ill just do melee for now and see if it works |
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| 11:36.51 | Spejnar | Which function am I suppose to use to get the itemLink for my main hand? None of them seem correct, GetContainerItemLink seems to only work for items in bags, GetItemInfo seem to require a name/string/link |
| 11:40.19 | Jamash | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInventoryItemID |
| 11:40.43 | Jamash | or, actually, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInventoryItemLink |
| 11:41.25 | Spejnar | oh, thought that worked for self also, thanks |
| 11:41.43 | Spejnar | is the target suppose to be "self" to reflect your own char? |
| 11:41.50 | Jamash | "player" |
| 11:42.09 | Spejnar | nm, yeah just clicked the "UnitID" |
| 11:42.18 | Torhal | WoWWiki isn't reliable in all cases...use wowprogramming |
| 11:42.25 | Torhal | !api getinventoryitemlink |
| 11:42.25 | lua_bot | GetInventoryItemLink: Returns an item link for an equipped item (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetInventoryItemLink) |
| 11:43.09 | Torhal | Though wowwiki has more examples (though many are just bad) |
| 11:44.13 | Spejnar | managed to get ma link now atleast |
| 11:45.14 | yoshimo | although wowwiki can have stuff for functions that wp hasnt i was told |
| 11:46.02 | Jamash | use both, do what you want |
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| 12:04.46 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: did you look at that IGAS in the curseforge queue? |
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| 12:12.17 | zenzio | "I made a Tauren warrior quite early in Vanilla, because I liked the idea of a bigass bull smacking stuff around, and I always liked the 'wise and peaceful' Tauren" |
| 12:12.24 | zenzio | wise and peaceful tauren, smacking stuff around since 2004 |
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| 12:16.43 | Krahg | quit |
| 12:21.03 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 12:22.01 | zenzio | ..? |
| 12:22.06 | Arrowmaster | just picked up the phone and got "hello... hello..." "this call is experiencing technical difficulties, thank you for your time" "goodby" all in different recorded voices |
| 12:24.25 | Arrowmaster | seriously who the fuck calls somebody at 8:30am anyway |
| 12:24.34 | Arrowmaster | some of us are about ready to goto sleep |
| 12:24.45 | zenzio | apparently people who are experiencing technical difficulties |
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| 12:27.56 | Wraithan | Howdy, any recommendation for in game lua scripting? |
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| 12:28.04 | Wraithan | as far as addons go |
| 12:28.13 | Jamash | hack |
| 12:28.20 | Jamash | or wowlua |
| 12:28.58 | Wraithan | LuaPad sounded right for one I used to use but seems to have fallen into disuse |
| 12:30.14 | Wraithan | Ah, wowlua looks good, thank you Jamash |
| 12:32.03 | Wraithan | Is wowwiki still the most complete resource for wow API listing? |
| 12:32.11 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 12:32.18 | Jamash | yes |
| 12:33.16 | Spejnar | maybe |
| 12:33.17 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprograming |
| 12:33.24 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 12:33.25 | purl | wowprogramming is probably World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 12:35.03 | Wraithan | I love it when there are 3 different answers, lol. |
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| 12:35.39 | Jamash | mu |
| 12:35.46 | Arrowmaster | mine is the only acceptable answer |
| 12:35.51 | Arrowmaster | because i am always right |
| 12:36.12 | Jamash | ight off the deep end |
| 12:36.20 | Jamash | wow |
| 12:36.23 | Jamash | fail |
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| 12:46.14 | alestane | pouncles Lopeppeppy. Almost vacation time! |
| 12:46.25 | Lopeppeppy | Grrr, hate. |
| 12:46.43 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/048/213/original/1272793540697.jpg?1272794052 |
| 12:47.38 | alestane | Um, hate for what? Nothing detrimental to the vacation, I hope. |
| 12:47.56 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:48.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, Fisker. Do it again! |
| 12:49.09 | zenzio | now there's something you don't hear often |
| 12:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, two of The Crowd can't go now, because Husband had a bad day at work and punched a wall, breaking 3 fingers. Another is pouting HARD because she doesn't have the vacation time to go, and guilt tripping the few of us still able to. Much unhappy is being spread around. |
| 12:49.59 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, that picture confuses me. :P |
| 12:50.46 | alestane | soothes Lopeppeppy's ruffled fur. |
| 12:53.33 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: No, I didn't look at IGAS because Ackis (or perhaps someone else) marked it as Changes Required. |
| 12:54.06 | Torhal | So, someone else's problem unless it sits there forever |
| 12:55.06 | Arrowmaster | i was curious and peaked at the code, the guy can code but definitely misguided, using setfenv in a framework |
| 12:56.14 | Arrowmaster | it actually looks like something i would expect from ckknight |
| 12:56.19 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 12:56.31 | ckknight | hey, be nice |
| 12:56.34 | ckknight | :P |
| 12:56.45 | ckknight | I've used setfenv legitimately |
| 12:56.48 | Torhal | ckknight: I think that, other than the "misguided" part, he was being nice. |
| 12:56.50 | Fisker | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:56.52 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt referring to that part |
| 12:58.30 | Arrowmaster | was referring to the code and its lots of well documented and tabbed code full of usage of short circuiting but tons of indecipherable variables being passed around |
| 12:59.48 | Arrowmaster | oh wait found a getn() usage |
| 12:59.55 | Arrowmaster | guy cant code for shit |
| 13:00.03 | Torhal | Haha |
| 13:01.01 | Fisker | slaps Torhal around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:01.07 | Fisker | free slaps for you |
| 13:01.08 | Fisker | for free |
| 13:01.12 | Torhal | He's perfectly justified in using getn if he's working from PiL |
| 13:01.21 | Torhal | It's ignorance. |
| 13:01.31 | Torhal | stuff Fisker into a dirty meat grinder. |
| 13:01.47 | Arrowmaster | for i = getn(self.__StackScripts[handler]), 1, -1 do |
| 13:02.22 | Arrowmaster | but yeah theres type checking everywhere which is something i expect from ckknight |
| 13:02.45 | ckknight | typechecking can be a way to avoid bugs |
| 13:03.23 | ckknight | if you verify that your inputs and outputs are what you expect them to be, then that solves a class of issues right there |
| 13:03.24 | Kalroth | real men makes code that can handle -all- variable types! |
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| 13:03.52 | ckknight | having a function that can take any type as an input is perfectly valid if that's what you expect |
| 13:04.24 | Arrowmaster | im just messing with you, for a framework lots of type checking is kinda required |
| 13:04.44 | Kalroth | I agree with you btw, ckk, type weak languages suck ass! |
| 13:04.44 | ckknight | yea, but for an addon, it's typically just bloat |
| 13:05.02 | Arrowmaster | which this is a framework |
| 13:05.27 | ckknight | Kalroth: I really do feel that way now. I like having a nice type system with proper manifest typing, at least if I want it. |
| 13:05.47 | Arrowmaster | my ideal language would have both |
| 13:06.08 | Kalroth | That's why I like Delphi, strong typing and pointer access :P |
| 13:06.39 | ckknight | why do you need pointer access? |
| 13:07.19 | Kalroth | Sometimes the available types aren't enough or I want/need direct access to the data stored in memory |
| 13:07.37 | ckknight | I've been working on a C# framework and websites and tools built on top of it for the past year, haven't had a need to work with pointers yet |
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| 13:07.52 | Arrowmaster | kill it with fire |
| 13:07.53 | Kalroth | Well it depends on what you program for, of course :) |
| 13:08.12 | Kalroth | I can't see myself needing pointers for anything related to a website |
| 13:08.20 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: ? |
| 13:08.27 | Arrowmaster | you said C# |
| 13:09.05 | ckknight | yea, got a problem with that? |
| 13:09.18 | Kalroth | Most often it is because I code in Delphi in a C/C++ world :P |
| 13:10.21 | zenzio | a friend of mine made fun of me when I was trying to speak to her about (music) notes, and the only example I could come up with was C# :-| |
| 13:10.47 | Wraithan | Haskell's type system is a prime example of being able to rely on your type |
| 13:10.55 | ckknight | yea, Haskell's is good |
| 13:10.56 | Wraithan | s/$/ system |
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| 13:11.49 | Wraithan | And I am remembering why I hate windows... thinking I need to get coLinux or andLinux setup so I can have a sane development environment :( |
| 13:14.03 | ckknight | that's far from true |
| 13:17.08 | Wraithan | Ok, you are correct that you can get a sane development environment setup in windows. Rather I develop in emacs on linux all day at work, so trying to use windows tools to achieve the same level of effeciency that I have with my linux environment is non-trivial due to learned habits and expected behaviors |
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| 13:17.47 | Wraithan | windows emacs doesn't have replacements for find-grep-dired for example, which I have grown used to having |
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| 13:29.06 | Kraps | ~ubuntu |
| 13:29.06 | purl | somebody said ubuntu was caca from this ass http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3843/18427557718e22857e9rb.jpg |
| 13:29.28 | Kraps | ~nsfw |
| 13:29.29 | purl | from memory, nsfw is Not Suited For Work |
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| 13:30.29 | Thunder_Child | ~kraps |
| 13:30.36 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 13:30.39 | Kraps | :( |
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| 13:32.49 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/thesulk/status/20197487670 |
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| 13:38.52 | Kraps | lolwut the USAF uses SC in training http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/08/500x_-1.jpg |
| 13:40.57 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/nailed_egg.jpg |
| 13:41.06 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/hurr_durr_shark.jpg |
| 13:41.13 | mikma | wobwork: ^--- :P DERP |
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| 13:45.18 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/2_1_cat.jpg |
| 13:46.24 | Fisker | i disagree Kraps |
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| 13:46.50 | Fisker | i think the shark are photoshopped mikma |
| 13:46.52 | Fisker | pixels and what not |
| 13:46.57 | Fisker | sharks* |
| 13:47.21 | mikma | they are real, i found t from internet |
| 13:47.59 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 13:50.03 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5603786/against-immersion |
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| 14:01.34 | Kraps | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2010/08/9b74f983935ac39a00d969b28c0f1b80/340x.jpg |
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| 14:06.00 | Kraps | "During the standard beta realm maintenance on Thursday morning, we will be wiping all pet data for hunters and warlocks to fix a data corruption issue. Hunters will need to tame new pets as a result of this change, while warlocks should simply notice that their pets' names have changed." |
| 14:06.57 | Torhal | ... |
| 14:07.08 | Torhal | But I've had "Pagtip" since I started! |
| 14:07.08 | Zyn | CORRUPT AND FOUL CREATURES |
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| 14:10.24 | Kraps | Torhal: that sounds vaguely dirty |
| 14:11.18 | MoonWitch | dirty? |
| 14:11.28 | MoonWitch | do fill me in on the details |
| 14:13.53 | Kraps | MoonWitch: you have enough of that on your own methinks |
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| 14:14.21 | haste | http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/245822/ you didn't miss anything |
| 14:15.45 | Kraps | ah didnt realize she had just joined |
| 14:16.19 | Kraps | how did you get that haste? |
| 14:16.50 | haste | join/part events are on by default in most sane IRC clients |
| 14:17.55 | Kraps | yeah but "conference mode is enabled" or some shit |
| 14:19.41 | Legorol | Fisker: Fiskerdin on EU forums, that's you right? Didn't knwo you were an EU-man :O |
| 14:19.58 | Kalroth | Fisker is the worst, he's not EU, he's from Mars |
| 14:20.07 | MoonWitch | thanks haste :) |
| 14:20.35 | MoonWitch | is trying to relearn a decent handwriting |
| 14:21.17 | haste | can't do that. |
| 14:21.17 | Kalroth | why's that |
| 14:21.19 | MoonWitch | mmm csi ... woman in undies (lace too) covered in blood |
| 14:21.36 | MoonWitch | has lost the ability to write as neatly as she used to write. |
| 14:21.47 | Ackis | http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/51478-1v1-terran-protoss-novice-desert-oasis that's the best SC2 match in the history of SC2 folks |
| 14:21.49 | alestane | Her blood? |
| 14:21.56 | MoonWitch | no someone elses |
| 14:22.14 | MoonWitch | if it was HERS then itd be periods most likely, and I am not into red wings |
| 14:22.25 | Ackis | derp |
| 14:22.40 | Ackis | MoonWitch: I agree, Detroit sucks |
| 14:22.44 | Kraps | gently takes the knife from MoonWitch |
| 14:22.55 | MoonWitch | Kraps? Am I scaring you? |
| 14:23.29 | alestane | drinks. |
| 14:23.36 | Kraps | me? nah. i'm just gonna go... |
| 14:23.42 | Kraps | runs |
| 14:24.09 | haste | Kalroth: I've broken the bones in my right hand four times, and writing with it gives me cramps after a few lines |
| 14:24.26 | MoonWitch | brb checking food |
| 14:24.40 | Kalroth | haste: So you use your left or? |
| 14:25.05 | haste | no, I type on a computer and avoid writing with it as much as possible |
| 14:29.51 | Legorol | Ackis: i haven't watched the replay yet, but looks like your opponent never even got to tier 2 |
| 14:29.55 | Legorol | how interesting could it be? |
| 14:30.34 | Ackis | Legorol: he flew barracks at my base and landed them and tried to sneak attack me |
| 14:30.39 | Ackis | I had a carrier |
| 14:30.56 | Legorol | and that's fun? |
| 14:31.02 | Legorol | i'll watch it anyway.. i hope it is epic |
| 14:31.53 | Legorol | i wonder if i can have: XWindows running, 10 excel sheets open, bazillion browser windows, Cata Beta installer installing, WoW running and SC2 running |
| 14:31.57 | Legorol | or will my machine die? |
| 14:34.17 | Kraps | Ackis: what was he gonna do with 10k unspent minerals? |
| 14:34.56 | Ackis | Kraps: I have no idea what he was doing except running from my carrier and mothership!!! keke |
| 14:35.18 | Kraps | its was better than my 3 games anyway |
| 14:35.24 | haste | Legorol: why would it die from that? |
| 14:36.00 | Legorol | for starters i doubt i have the RAM for it, and also this is a piece of crap P4 3.2 GHz singlecore thing |
| 14:36.27 | Legorol | not to mention the HDD and DirectX will choke simultaneously under the number of parallel requests probably |
| 14:39.48 | Kraps | the problem i have with protoss is that construction requires a probe to be away from collecting for just the amount of time it take to get to the area and back, while terran scvs need to stay for the whole building time. all thing being equal, protoss gather more, faster, and keep it longer. |
| 14:40.08 | Kraps | plus everything has a damn shield :( |
| 14:40.09 | Guardix | does anybody know what the 4th argument is, SPELL_CAST_X returns? |
| 14:40.19 | Legorol | Kraps: you are forgetting about MULEs |
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| 14:40.30 | Kraps | meh |
| 14:40.31 | Legorol | terran can afford to pull SCVs off because you make up for it with MULEs |
| 14:40.38 | Legorol | also, you just make that many more SCVs |
| 14:40.50 | Legorol | imo it's balanced |
| 14:41.20 | Legorol | i realised that the protoss' ability to "instant build" is a nice convenience factor at low levels of play, but at higher competitive levels it's fine imo |
| 14:42.15 | MoonWitch | gah i need sleep |
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| 14:42.35 | MoonWitch | been up for 24hrs -- currently food on the stove and kid in her room :( |
| 14:42.56 | MoonWitch | mother is resting, even though she slept a full night |
| 14:43.13 | Ackis | MoonWitch: don't get the food and the kid confused |
| 14:43.29 | Kraps | Legorol: making more scvs is not one of those "all things being equal" things |
| 14:43.50 | Legorol | well, actually... the different races don't need the same amount of workers |
| 14:43.59 | Legorol | for example, zerg can get away with less than the other two |
| 14:44.13 | Legorol | however, if you don't like the "make more SCVs" solution, the MULEs are still there |
| 14:44.36 | Legorol | when i play terran, i often find that i have leftover unspent minerals (which is bad ofc) |
| 14:44.41 | MoonWitch | Ackis : It wouldnt make a difference lol |
| 14:44.43 | Legorol | so i don't feel that my SCV count is problematic |
| 14:44.47 | MoonWitch | both are messy |
| 14:44.53 | MoonWitch | anyhow -- checking kid n food |
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| 14:52.13 | airtonix | Legorol, you'd be surprised |
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| 15:12.48 | cog|work | wants to go back to |sleep |
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| 15:15.55 | Ackis | I know the feeling coggypoo |
| 15:16.17 | Lopeppeppy | Me first. |
| 15:18.41 | alestane | puts Lopeppeppy to bed. |
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| 15:19.47 | Lopeppeppy | Tsk tsk, your verbage leaves much to be desired. |
| 15:20.26 | alestane | Well, if I put you to sleep, it sounds like I'm boring you into unconsiousness. |
| 15:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | Or euthanizing me. |
| 15:21.05 | alestane | So I think this was still better. |
| 15:21.15 | alestane | What would you have preferred? |
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| 15:23.30 | Jamash | sings Lopeppeppy a dino lullaby |
| 15:23.58 | alestane | "Rawr, rawr rawr, raawwwrr....." |
| 15:24.14 | Jamash | more or less |
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| 15:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, dino-songs make happy. |
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| 15:31.00 | cog|work | Since birds are dinosaurs, The Byrds play Dynosaur music |
| 15:32.35 | Lopeppeppy | Not all birds are dinosaurs. Some birds are alligators. |
| 15:33.43 | cog|work | ponders the literality of that statement |
| 15:33.55 | cog|work | needs moar caffeine |
| 15:34.26 | cog|work | http://freethoughtpedia.com/images/Crocoduck.jpg |
| 15:35.01 | Ackis | word is the bird |
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| 15:36.58 | Lopeppeppy | Baby, you always need more caffeine to deal with me. I'm made of weirdness. |
| 15:37.01 | Lopeppeppy | Rather like that duck. |
| 15:37.33 | cog|work | i went by "Fromage" in french class in HS... I think we're of the same stock |
| 15:40.49 | Jamash | his dear friends called him "candle ends" and his enemies, "toasted cheese" |
| 15:41.32 | cog|work | wut |
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| 15:42.14 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 15:42.41 | cog|work | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:43.00 | Jamash | cog|work: http://www.literature.org/authors/carroll-lewis/the-hunting-of-the-snark/chapter-01.html |
| 15:43.06 | Fisker | Blizzard are huge jerks |
| 15:43.08 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh. Do want toasted cheese sandwich! |
| 15:43.13 | Jamash | you illiterate boob |
| 15:43.22 | cog|work | Jamash: reading is overrated |
| 15:43.35 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, I will shoot you myself for that heresy! |
| 15:43.37 | Fisker | I told them to confirm that unauthorized 3rd party software published on 3rd party exploitation sites wouldn't get me banned" |
| 15:43.37 | Fisker | ! |
| 15:43.41 | Jamash | you prefer to just mmap, eh? |
| 15:43.45 | Fisker | And all i got was that i should use at my own risk |
| 15:43.48 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:44.16 | foxlit | And so they broke sc2 |
| 15:44.26 | Jamash | the end |
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| 15:45.57 | cog|work | English class killed any potential desire for voluntary fiction reading in me |
| 15:46.03 | alestane | Anyone able to name a hero ability in WC3 that requires you to target a point? |
| 15:46.13 | Jamash | blizzard? |
| 15:46.43 | alestane | That would probably work. |
| 15:46.57 | alestane | Need an ability I can co-opt into a "jump here" selection. |
| 15:47.31 | Fisker | you mean like flamestrike? |
| 15:49.17 | Fisker | bah Jamash |
| 15:49.24 | Fisker | you ruin everything for casual irc skimmer |
| 15:49.29 | Jamash | woohoo |
| 15:49.50 | cog|work | purl casual irc skimmer is not fisker |
| 15:49.51 | purl | okay, cog|work |
| 15:50.06 | Fisker | what do you mean cog|work? |
| 15:50.10 | Fisker | i'm barely on irc |
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| 15:50.41 | cog|work | if by "barely" you mean "in the manner of being without clothes" maybe... |
| 15:51.08 | Jamash | barely legal imo |
| 15:51.09 | Fisker | you know i'm never in my clothes around you |
| 15:51.24 | alestane | Those both have huge targeting reticles. How about an ability that just clicks a point (crosshairs target)? |
| 15:51.32 | Jamash | we're all naked underneath our clothes |
| 15:51.34 | Fisker | wardens have blink or so |
| 15:51.44 | alestane | Thank you. |
| 15:51.45 | Fisker | can't recall if blink is the exact name though |
| 15:54.13 | Fisker | so cog|work |
| 15:54.17 | Fisker | new patch today? |
| 15:54.24 | alestane | Blink makes an excellent placeholder, Fisker, thank you. Even has about the right ability. |
| 15:54.55 | Jamash | blinkety blink blink |
| 15:55.18 | cog|work | wtf |
| 15:55.24 | cog|work | my world is upside down |
| 15:55.37 | cog|work | " Fisker, thank you" |
| 15:55.41 | cog|work | without sarcasm |
| 15:56.28 | zenzelezz | peppy said something similar earlier |
| 15:56.33 | zenzelezz | I think someone spiked their water |
| 15:56.51 | Fisker | i have a strong feeling you will never find out who |
| 15:57.11 | alestane | He gave me a germane and useful answer to my question, cog|work. This is behavior I prefer to reward. |
| 15:57.25 | Fisker | i hate this damn commercial for "step up 3d(whatever that is" |
| 15:57.31 | Fisker | They can't spell competition :( |
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| 16:04.36 | Fisker | http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00570/jaguar_Fisse_570105m.jpg |
| 16:05.11 | Fisker | giggles |
| 16:05.11 | Fisker | (NSFW if your boss is danish btw) |
| 16:05.57 | Ackis | my boss is human, not a pastry treat |
| 16:06.04 | Fisker | om nom nom |
| 16:07.20 | nicoli_s | i could totally eat a danish |
| 16:07.24 | nicoli_s | fucking hiccups |
| 16:08.13 | Ackis | any UK xbox players: http://www.trueachievements.com/gamepricelist.aspx price comparison |
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| 16:08.40 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:09.31 | Fisker | no Ackis ! |
| 16:10.08 | nicoli_s | fisker, join #sc2replayed |
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| 16:13.15 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
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| 16:15.04 | alestane | The Spin Doctors, Lunessa? Seriously? |
| 16:16.34 | Lopeppeppy | Classic tunes! |
| 16:17.17 | Fisker | gentlestation |
| 16:17.33 | Legorol | nice: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/optical_illusion11.gif |
| 16:18.32 | Lunessa | alestane: Seriously. |
| 16:18.43 | Fisker | http://failblog.org/2010/08/04/hard-work-fail-hard-work-fail/ <-i want to be a reporter |
| 16:18.46 | Lunessa | I really need to change the MotD. |
| 16:19.07 | alestane | Mostly it just nagged at me for a few minutes going, "Now where have I heard that before?" |
| 16:19.16 | Ackis | http://www.trueachievements.com/n1657/fable-iii-opening-cinematic.htm fable 3 w00t |
| 16:19.41 | Fisker | ends Ackis |
| 16:20.58 | cog|work | alestane: it was the behavior to be rewarded that turned my world upside down |
| 16:21.36 | cog|work | Fisker + helpful = brain meltdown |
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| 16:22.29 | alestane | We all have our off days, cog|work. |
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| 16:28.30 | code22 | does anyone have a resource that outlines how to add configration options to the wow addon tab? |
| 16:28.59 | alestane | There are comments in the main panel files...give me a second. |
| 16:29.35 | zenzelezz | hands alestane a second main panel file |
| 16:31.24 | alestane | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/InterfaceOptionsFrame.lua |
| 16:31.38 | alestane | Search for "HOWTO: Add new categories of options" |
| 16:32.05 | code22 | thank you alestane. I have that site bookmarked. just didn't know what to look for. |
| 16:34.03 | nicoli_s | how is fable ackis? i havent tried it before but i hear good things |
| 16:35.09 | Ackis | nicoli_s: I loved the first one and the second one... some people seem to hate it however |
| 16:36.59 | code22 | I do have another question. I see some very basic "simplehtml" lua command. I don't see any that will allow me to update a LUA file from the addon but the update comes from html GET. Is this true or is there a way to do this? |
| 16:37.36 | cog|work | html is a text markup language and has nothing to do with data transfer |
| 16:37.46 | cog|work | it's simply a way to more easily format large blocks of text |
| 16:37.54 | cog|work | GET is from http not html |
| 16:37.59 | code22 | no. I can use http GET to obtain a LUA file |
| 16:38.14 | code22 | aye cog. that is what I ment |
| 16:38.16 | foxlit | SimpleHTML in WoW is just a display widget. |
| 16:38.23 | foxlit | It cannot connect to any external resources. |
| 16:38.34 | code22 | I want to use http GET to download an updated lua file from within the addon |
| 16:38.44 | cog|work | i know you do. we're telling you you can't |
| 16:38.46 | alestane | AddOns are sandboxed. |
| 16:38.50 | code22 | k |
| 16:39.15 | alestane | They only have access to the API that WoW provides tham, and WoW does not give them any network or real file access. |
| 16:39.32 | alestane | Nor will WoW load C libraries with Lua export. |
| 16:39.33 | code22 | 3rd party extension it is then |
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| 16:43.56 | Eol | What, if anything, can I do with a GUID? |
| 16:44.08 | alestane | Compare it to other GUIDs. |
| 16:44.20 | alestane | What to you wish to accomplish? |
| 16:44.22 | alestane | do* |
| 16:44.29 | Eol | I want to track deathwhisper ghosts |
| 16:44.46 | Eol | the best I can do is get their guids, and i can do some sorta tricks in UNIT_THREAT_UPDATED |
| 16:44.53 | foxlit | You can print it out and use the piece of paper for firestarting. |
| 16:44.54 | Eol | but since oyu can't target them, they can never be a targettarget |
| 16:45.29 | Eol | it seems most UI functions need "raid1target" sort of style, not an exact pointer to the mob |
| 16:46.05 | alestane | I believe you can get some info about a GUID, but you can't do things like target by it. |
| 16:46.28 | NightHawkTheSane | it's useful for keeping track of a unit uniquely, but beyond that, not a whole lot. |
| 16:48.08 | foxlit | 1. Log everyone who took damage from ghosts. |
| 16:48.10 | foxlit | 2. ??? |
| 16:48.13 | foxlit | 3. Heads will roll. |
| 16:49.12 | code22 | Sorry for bothering everyone, again. I can't find a currently updated mod that tracks mitigation. I know I used to have one that worked, but don't even remember what it was called. So after looking I was going to simply add it to another addon, like recount. However, I am going thru combat log exports and I can't find where the mitigated damage from spells like "power word:shield". Is this no longer available in the log? Is th |
| 16:50.54 | PProvost | code22: I think Recount has a module for that |
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| 16:52.57 | code22 | there is a recount "version" that only works for the priest who cast power word:shield :( I already tried it out and it does it under healing and only shows up for the disc priest : / Which is why I exported the combat log from a non-priest but I just can't find the log picking up the mitigated damage.... what a shame |
| 16:53.32 | Fisker | they don't always hit foxlit :P |
| 16:53.42 | foxlit | Fisker: I don't care. |
| 16:53.57 | Fisker | you so do |
| 16:54.01 | foxlit | If you were standing next to idiots, you should've run too :) |
| 16:54.20 | Fisker | Yeah except it has like a 30 yard range, so you can't avoid it |
| 16:54.29 | Fisker | unless the guy next to you isn't an idiot |
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| 16:54.57 | Fisker | anyway it's more about don't trigger 2 ghosts at the same time anyway |
| 16:55.00 | foxlit | My experience disagrees. There are plenty of idiots, but you don't really have to take their explosions :) |
| 16:55.11 | foxlit | And curse you, +30% HP. They should be fatal. |
| 16:55.21 | PProvost | code22: you want what kind of mitigations? I'm confused. You mentioned PW:S so I assumed you meant disc-priest shield absorbs |
| 16:55.41 | Fisker | of course it depends on how close they spawn anyway |
| 16:55.52 | Fisker | but in our experience the people who fail are those where they spawn a few yards away |
| 16:55.57 | Fisker | and you still can't outrun that |
| 16:56.07 | Fisker | (the explosion not the ghost) |
| 16:56.40 | Eol | UnitThreatSituation() will sometimes give me a lua error, even if i pass it proper parameters |
| 16:56.42 | Eol | is this a bug? |
| 16:57.13 | code22 | aye, but it doesn't do me any good if the mod only works when I am the disc priest, and I looked for other mods but they just "guess". They see the PW:S cast and then assume that it will mitigate the full amount of damage. Thats not a counter that's a Zoltan. |
| 16:57.34 | PProvost | RecountGuessedAbsorbs works for anyone in raid |
| 16:57.43 | PProvost | http://www.wowace.com/addons/recountguessedabsorbs/ |
| 16:57.45 | PProvost | I use it |
| 16:58.00 | PProvost | And I'm not a priest |
| 16:58.06 | PProvost | But I can see how my priests are doing |
| 16:58.21 | code22 | pprovost. I will try it. The others I tried so far just assumed too much to even be close to accurate. It made the disc priest look like they were doing 2x more mitigation then they were actually doing. |
| 16:58.41 | PProvost | code22: They can never be 100% accurate. The data simply isn't there. |
| 16:58.58 | code22 | pprovost: thats what I was afraid of :/ |
| 16:59.14 | code22 | stupid blizzard and their inability to setup proper logging |
| 17:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | its not inability |
| 17:00.16 | alestane | The server tracks how much damage a mitigation effect can still absorb, and notifies the client when the effect is over. |
| 17:00.32 | alestane | There's no real need for the client to know most of the time. |
| 17:00.38 | code22 | the only way to get the data is to require everyone to use a mitigation logger because the person who recieved the mitigation gets the log entry, but no one else sees it in the "everyone log" |
| 17:00.55 | code22 | rb |
| 17:00.57 | code22 | brb |
| 17:00.59 | PProvost | I'm curious why you care at this level of detail |
| 17:01.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm going to go with "overbearing raid leader who doesn't understand that healing meters are entirely useless" |
| 17:01.53 | PProvost | lol |
| 17:02.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm also going to go to my scrum, brb. |
| 17:02.20 | code22 | pprovost: going to meeting, but I care because it makes it impossible to properly compare logging. and nighthawk, your close but wrong. I almost never raid anymore and barely even play wow, but I do support others who do have an interest in creating solid tools to create metrics |
| 17:02.44 | cog|work | code22: not impossible, you just have to account for a bit of uncertainy |
| 17:03.27 | Shirik_ | C#, I will destroy you |
| 17:04.07 | Shirik_ | if (foo) { int a = 1; } int a = 2; // illegal.................. why |
| 17:04.11 | Shirik_ | that's a stupid syntax rule |
| 17:04.59 | Lunessa | Shirik: You're expecting multiple languages to do things in a similar fashion. They don't. That's why there are different languages. :P |
| 17:05.36 | PProvost | Shirik_: it may not make sense, but it is probably perf related. either compile or runtime. not sure though |
| 17:05.59 | PProvost | I'll bet if you looked at the IDL you might get a hint |
| 17:06.44 | Shirik_ | Lunessa: I don't mind that things are different in language |
| 17:06.52 | Shirik_ | I'm bothered when languages do things for no reason |
| 17:06.58 | Shirik_ | I hope PProvost is right |
| 17:07.01 | Lunessa | Shirik_: I'm just picking on you my friend. |
| 17:07.05 | PProvost | It certainly seems to fail the "principle of least surprise". :) |
| 17:07.07 | Shirik_ | for example, Java's "goto" being an error also pisses me off |
| 17:07.11 | Shirik_ | either you support it or you don't |
| 17:07.26 | Shirik_ | you don't make a "keyword which means error" |
| 17:07.39 | cog|work | #error imo? |
| 17:07.44 | Shirik_ | that's different... |
| 17:07.45 | cog|work | :P |
| 17:08.14 | cog|work | pokes the bear |
| 17:08.41 | Shirik_ | like if you look at C++'s rules, the restrictions are generally limited to cases where there is a good reason for not letting you do that |
| 17:09.20 | Shirik_ | I wish arrays couldn't become pointers, but once again C breaks C++ |
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| 17:10.48 | Shirik_ | (don't get me wrong, C# is a decent language) |
| 17:11.39 | nicoli_s | indeed it is |
| 17:12.08 | cbreak | become pointers? They more or less are pointers |
| 17:12.20 | Shirik_ | that's a problem |
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| 17:12.39 | Shirik_ | It should be illegal to cast an array of Foo to a pointer to Foo |
| 17:12.54 | cbreak | for what reason? |
| 17:12.57 | PProvost | But that is the essence of a C array! |
| 17:13.02 | cog|work | cbreak: type safety |
| 17:13.03 | Shirik_ | yes |
| 17:13.06 | Shirik_ | but that's an implementation detail |
| 17:13.23 | Shirik_ | Assume we have a class Foo, then a class Bar that inherits from Foo |
| 17:13.33 | Shirik_ | I create an array of Bar, then turn it into a pointer to Bar |
| 17:13.44 | Shirik_ | I am allowed to treat a pointer to Bar as a pointer to Foo |
| 17:13.55 | Shirik_ | however trying to use that pointer to Foo as if it were an array of Foo will break horribly |
| 17:14.01 | cbreak | correctly so. |
| 17:14.11 | cbreak | it's just a pointer to the first element |
| 17:14.15 | nevcairiel | C is all about knowing wtf you are doing |
| 17:14.17 | Shirik_ | pointers and arrays, from a language perspective, should be completely separated |
| 17:14.18 | nevcairiel | its not a dumb people language |
| 17:14.40 | cbreak | I heard someone describe C as "High Level Assembler" |
| 17:14.43 | cog|work | you guys are missing Shirik_'s point... he's complaining about C++ precisely because it preserves so much of C semantics |
| 17:14.45 | Shirik_ | the fact that they are related is an implementation detail |
| 17:14.46 | Legorol | correct me if i'm wrong, but does this mantra work: "every array is a pointer, but not every pointer is an array" |
| 17:14.53 | Legorol | if you follow that religiously, you'd be alright |
| 17:15.07 | Shirik_ | and cog|work's right. I can deal with it, that's not the problem |
| 17:15.20 | Shirik_ | my problem is that C++ has flaws solely because it bases itself on C |
| 17:15.24 | cog|work | like i said the other night, i want a language that follows all of C++'s design philosophies except C compatibility |
| 17:15.24 | cbreak | in most languages, there's a strong distinction between basic types and complex types |
| 17:15.32 | nevcairiel | your constant whining about language features is really annoying lately, though =) |
| 17:15.38 | nevcairiel | write your own already |
| 17:15.39 | cog|work | cbreak: that's contrary to one of C++'s design goals |
| 17:15.42 | Shirik_ | some day I will |
| 17:15.45 | cbreak | basic types like int, pointers or similar |
| 17:15.55 | cbreak | or complex types like a class with overloaded operators |
| 17:16.04 | cog|work | which is to give equal language support to user-defined types as you have with built-in types |
| 17:16.28 | cbreak | you can use them the same way, but they are not the same |
| 17:16.30 | Shirik_ | We can call the language ++ |
| 17:16.34 | Shirik_ | it's C++ without the C |
| 17:16.38 | cbreak | with a pointer, [] has a specific meaning |
| 17:16.39 | cog|work | hehe |
| 17:16.46 | cbreak | with a class, [] can do anything |
| 17:17.06 | Shirik_ | that's not a reason to block someone from implementing it |
| 17:17.13 | Shirik_ | if someone makes a stupid library they made a stupid library |
| 17:17.17 | cog|work | couldn't [] do anything for a pointer too if you used a global overload of opertaor[] on the pointer type? |
| 17:17.18 | Shirik_ | I can create a function Increment() that decrements |
| 17:17.22 | cbreak | you can implement stupid stuff if you want |
| 17:17.53 | cbreak | I am not sure if you can do operator overloading of basic types |
| 17:18.03 | nevcairiel | I rather use C then C++ anyway, if i want a high-level language, i use one a bit higher :p |
| 17:18.19 | cbreak | I use C++ at work |
| 17:18.26 | Shirik_ | same |
| 17:18.27 | NightHawkTheSane | grumbles about people who ramble on FOREVER in what's supposed to be a 10 minute meeting |
| 17:18.57 | PProvost | NightHawkTheSane: are they standing up? |
| 17:19.02 | PProvost | That always helps. :D |
| 17:19.09 | NightHawkTheSane | PProvost: yes :p |
| 17:19.31 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.online-stopwatch.com/ |
| 17:19.31 | PProvost | ScrumMaster needs to take charge and tell them to take it after the meeting |
| 17:20.06 | PProvost | Anyone here going to Agile 2010 next week in Orlando? |
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| 17:20.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, he kinda does. *shrug* i mean, its the matter of a 20m meeting instead of 10, but still |
| 17:20.18 | cbreak | we had a series of many presentations a few weeks ago, and one guy had a countdown timer on his iPad to show the presenter his remaining time |
| 17:20.22 | cbreak | it helped a lot keeping the schedule |
| 17:21.33 | Shirik_ | if I were back in FLorida I would PProvost :( |
| 17:22.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet i know a couple people who ARE going, but i'm not. |
| 17:22.14 | NightHawkTheSane | is kind of on the other side of the country |
| 17:22.16 | PProvost | Shirik_: I created some code that passed (replaced your inner "a" with "b" and then looked at the resulting IL |
| 17:22.38 | PProvost | Both variables are defined in method scope in the IL |
| 17:22.44 | PProvost | So that is probably why |
| 17:22.51 | PProvost | Now, why they do THAT, I'm not sure |
| 17:22.53 | PProvost | :P |
| 17:23.57 | Shirik_ | heh |
| 17:24.14 | Shirik_ | well so long as the initialization is deferred it's the same thing |
| 17:24.37 | Shirik_ | I guess it would help with stack consistency |
| 17:24.50 | PProvost | Initialization is deferred in the IL, yes |
| 17:25.24 | Shirik_ | wait |
| 17:25.25 | Shirik_ | no |
| 17:26.04 | Shirik_ | in C# don't the braces ... like once you exit the braces the 'a' should be eligible for GC |
| 17:26.13 | Shirik_ | I guess not since it's doing it at method scope |
| 17:26.28 | cbreak | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/08/04/1530224/Denials-Aside-Feds-Storing-Body-Scan-Images, fun. |
| 17:26.38 | Shirik_ | I'm tempted to try some unsafe code to see what happens for stack allocated members in an 'if' block |
| 17:26.40 | cbreak | wonder how long until they are on wikilkeaks |
| 17:26.43 | PProvost | Shirik_: a variable is eligible for GC as soon as it inly used any more |
| 17:26.54 | PProvost | s/inly/isnt/ |
| 17:27.38 | PProvost | It seems to be method scoped, and the IL seems to not have anything for "smaller" scope |
| 17:27.56 | Shirik_ | in other news |
| 17:27.59 | Shirik_ | awesome picture: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2010/08/photo-op-scaneagle-hooked.html |
| 17:28.05 | Shirik_ | how he took that is beyond me |
| 17:28.32 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:28.58 | PProvost | That is a cool pic |
| 17:29.11 | Shirik_ | that wire is usually straight up and down |
| 17:29.19 | Shirik_ | but it's like a bungee cord |
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| 17:31.01 | Arrowmaster | Shirik_: is that the thing you keep crashing in simulations? |
| 17:31.45 | Shirik_ | I plead the fifth |
| 17:32.15 | Arrowmaster | thought so |
| 17:32.28 | foxlit | your right to reference xkcd in response to questions? |
| 17:34.57 | Shirik_ | ? |
| 17:35.44 | foxlit | Or perhaps that's third |
| 17:36.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | any of you on this social network? http://steepster.com/ |
| 17:36.22 | Shirik_ | http://wjz.com/local/nasa.hurricanes.drones.2.1840754.html |
| 17:36.25 | Shirik_ | (1) I thought we were getting rid of NASA |
| 17:36.30 | Shirik_ | (2) Since when are there hurricanes in space? |
| 17:36.34 | nevcairiel | they have social networks for everything now, eh |
| 17:36.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | yep |
| 17:36.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | its actually pretty cool if you are a tea person |
| 17:37.11 | nevcairiel | honestly, i want to drink tea, not talk about it |
| 17:37.22 | nevcairiel | but i'm against all kind of social networks on the internetz |
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| 17:38.59 | Shirik_ | heh |
| 17:39.01 | Shirik_ | scary thought |
| 17:39.29 | Shirik_ | I just said to myself "if this was C++ or Lua I could just define a function inside a function and this would be so easy" |
| 17:39.34 | Shirik_ | bad bad |
| 17:40.17 | Shirik_ | that's actually one of the features of C++ where I"m kinda like "eh, is that really necessary?" |
| 17:40.19 | Shirik_ | does C even let you do that? |
| 17:40.33 | nevcairiel | i have actually never tried |
| 17:40.57 | PProvost | Some C compilers allow it I think |
| 17:41.05 | PProvost | But I don't think it is ANSI C |
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| 17:43.43 | Shirik_ | have you ever wondered how much longer C programmers will be able to hold on? |
| 17:43.44 | alestane | Actually, I think it's allowable C, but C++ restricts or wants to disallow it. |
| 17:44.13 | foxlit | C is awesome, though. |
| 17:44.37 | Shirik_ | honestly, do you think most that are picking up CS these days think that? |
| 17:44.44 | Shirik_ | I tend to think that's an opinion of the older developers |
| 17:44.56 | Shirik_ | justl ike nobody's taught fortran anymore |
| 17:45.03 | Shirik_ | C is starting to die off in schools |
| 17:45.21 | Shirik_ | the only class I had that taught C was real-time systems |
| 17:45.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | nevcairiel: without steepster I would never have learned about http://steepster.com/teas/man-teas/9834-smoky-bacon |
| 17:46.04 | foxlit | embedded systems, operating systems, hardware design. |
| 17:46.37 | foxlit | If anything, C++ should go get eaten by Java or something. |
| 17:46.47 | Shirik_ | no |
| 17:46.50 | Shirik_ | nooooooooooo |
| 17:46.52 | Shirik_ | I will hurt you |
| 17:46.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | all java could do is gum c++ |
| 17:47.03 | PProvost | Not in ANSI. Gnu C extends auto for that I think. |
| 17:47.14 | PProvost | (Sorry that was for alestane) |
| 17:47.32 | Shirik_ | oof |
| 17:47.36 | Shirik_ | extending auto sounds like a bad idea |
| 17:47.42 | Shirik_ | considering what they're doing with it in C++0x |
| 17:47.46 | foxlit | http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Nested-Functions.html |
| 17:48.06 | PProvost | As I said... GCC... |
| 17:48.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | nested functions remind me of Pascal |
| 17:48.21 | Shirik_ | oh |
| 17:48.26 | Shirik_ | I think that's standard, no? |
| 17:48.30 | PProvost | Nope |
| 17:48.34 | PProvost | Not standard C |
| 17:48.34 | Shirik_ | (now that I've read what you referred to) |
| 17:48.43 | Kraps | ~ping |
| 17:48.44 | purl | ~pong |
| 17:48.53 | Shirik_ | well |
| 17:49.04 | Shirik_ | I don't use C so I don't know the intricate details |
| 17:50.19 | foxlit | [In fact, C++ /has/ been eaten by Java around here.] |
| 17:50.27 | foxlit | C# is around, somewhere, too, but meh. |
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| 17:51.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | I can never get enough of C# |
| 17:51.35 | Shirik_ | that's scary |
| 17:51.36 | Kraps | bnet is down :( |
| 17:51.36 | KarlKFI|work | I didn't learn any C++ in uni, just enough C to run assembly when learning that. |
| 17:51.42 | Shirik_ | C++ and Java have very different design goals |
| 17:51.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | its like a drug or something |
| 17:52.27 | KarlKFI|work | i learned more scheme than C++, which is depressing |
| 17:52.32 | Shirik_ | lol |
| 17:52.41 | KarlKFI|work | talk about useless |
| 17:52.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | i learned Pascal when i was in college |
| 17:53.01 | Shirik_ | I'm glad I learned common lisp actually |
| 17:53.21 | Shirik_ | it gives you a new perspective on some things |
| 17:53.26 | foxlit | All those parenthesis are pretty |
| 17:53.59 | Fisker | http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00570/jaguar_Fisse_570105m.jpg |
| 17:54.00 | KarlKFI|work | pretty useless |
| 17:54.11 | Fisker | better than your damn plane Shirik |
| 17:54.23 | Shirik_ | k |
| 17:54.40 | Shirik_ | lol @ circular road sign |
| 17:54.41 | Emmark | @Fisker Hahaha awesome plates :) |
| 17:55.49 | PProvost | I'm assuming that is the Danish "fisse" and not the French "fisse"? :D |
| 17:56.26 | kd3 | we've got circular road signs here in the states too |
| 17:56.42 | kd3 | railroad crossings |
| 17:56.51 | foxlit | Are they all subtitled? |
| 17:57.25 | haste | Shirik_: welcome to europe |
| 17:57.49 | Shirik_ | europe should use US road signs |
| 17:57.58 | Emmark | No PProvost :) Its danish slang for vagina |
| 17:58.00 | Shirik_ | ours are obviously superior |
| 17:58.33 | PProvost | Emmark: That's what I meant. Hence the smiley. In french it is a form of "faire" (to work) |
| 17:59.13 | Shirik_ | kd3: I don't live near any rail roads :) |
| 17:59.16 | Shirik_ | I forgot about that |
| 17:59.44 | Emmark | ah :) |
| 18:01.49 | foxlit | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-5000-open-source-java.html "projects with all that private/final bullshit removed" |
| 18:01.49 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248417277?page=3#54 |
| 18:01.55 | roboe | Hey Fiskermerica, how do YOU use Webex? |
| 18:02.20 | Shirik_ | how do you leak open source java? |
| 18:02.23 | foxlit | There needs to be a way to tell battle.net to go away with the splashes already |
| 18:02.52 | foxlit | "Moreover, the Perl script gives every Java class at least one public constructor, and turns all fields without getters/setters into public fields. "The script yanks out all that @deprecated shit, too," claims the controversial announcement." |
| 18:04.07 | alestane | Probably comes from the same root as "fissure". |
| 18:05.02 | foxlit | "The Eclipse CDT team was especially hard-hit by the removal of deprecation tags. Morris Baldwin, a part-time developer for the CDT's C++ parsing libraries says: "We have a policy of releasing entire Java packages in which every single class, interface and method is deprecated right out of the box, starting at version 1.0."" |
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| 18:09.27 | Fisker | what you say roboe ? |
| 18:11.47 | Torhal | stuffs a baturducken down Fisker's throat. |
| 18:12.30 | dagmar | foxlit: Hahahha sucks to be them |
| 18:13.43 | durcyn | dagmar: <whisper> uh, it's parody </whisper> |
| 18:14.05 | Shirik_ | hold up |
| 18:14.06 | Shirik_ | foxlit: |
| 18:14.20 | Shirik_ | Are you saying they just like.... destroyed OO? |
| 18:14.34 | dagmar | durcyn: I'm aware of this |
| 18:14.36 | foxlit | I'm saying you should read the blog post |
| 18:14.42 | Shirik_ | I should |
| 18:14.45 | Shirik_ | but I'm busy |
| 18:14.48 | Dagmar | It's freaking hilarious |
| 18:14.56 | Dagmar | There will be much egg on faces over it |
| 18:16.59 | Cairenn|afk | booo, login servers down for anyone else? |
| 18:18.01 | Shirik_ | ok I read it |
| 18:18.06 | Shirik_ | I'm still sitting here like "wtf" |
| 18:18.14 | Shirik_ | I actually called 2 coworkers over to read it too |
| 18:18.58 | Dagmar | ~logincheck |
| 18:18.59 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, logincheck is Update: 8/4 10:00AM PST. Login servers have been returned to full operation for all users except Cairenn. |
| 18:19.09 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 18:20.12 | Shirik_ | oh |
| 18:20.16 | Shirik_ | I'm slow |
| 18:20.17 | Shirik_ | but still |
| 18:20.22 | Shirik_ | it's something I would expect wikileaks to do |
| 18:20.48 | alestane | hugs Cairenn. Good morning! |
| 18:20.53 | Cairenn | hugs alestane |
| 18:21.35 | Shirik_ | I am really scared by the comments though |
| 18:21.37 | Shirik_ | "I'll say that I agree with changing private to public (Because, frankly speaking, it's all bullshit in the end)" |
| 18:21.47 | Shirik_ | this is why Java is failing. Too many people that don't know what OO is all about. |
| 18:23.18 | Ackis | that whole article confused the hell out of me because I know what OO is... I'm like this doesn't make sense |
| 18:25.39 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.com/2010/08/04/funny-graphs-remember-from-my-childhood/ |
| 18:26.56 | Ackis | reruns of 80s cartoons? I watched them new :( |
| 18:29.33 | Lunessa | Ackis: Me too. And 70s cartoons too |
| 18:30.06 | Ackis | flinestones |
| 18:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | Space Ghost. |
| 18:34.51 | cog|work | i take it "moving targets are worth more points" isn't good advice for my sister's first behind-the-wheel training... |
| 18:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | not if it's your car, it's not. |
| 18:35.22 | Dagmar | Small targets, not necessarily moving targets |
| 18:35.48 | Dagmar | extra points for bagging small targets leashed to larger ones without contacting the larger target |
| 18:36.18 | Lopeppeppy | As in, the little yipyip dog on a leash, without the owner. Or the stroller without the parent. |
| 18:36.32 | Dagmar | You betcha |
| 18:36.45 | cog|work | Dagmar: points are proportional to the product of speed and the inverse of size |
| 18:36.49 | cog|work | how's that sound? |
| 18:36.50 | Lopeppeppy | Only if it's not your car OR your insuance. :) |
| 18:37.13 | Dagmar | Come on. It's not like a shitzu is going to do more than knock some dust off your bumper. |
| 18:37.14 | cog|work | yes, neither. her mom's friend owns a driving school |
| 18:37.21 | Dagmar | Same goes for little kids on leashes |
| 18:37.43 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, tjhen totally give her the points honor system. |
| 18:38.00 | Lopeppeppy | Tell her I give extra points for running over those ugly Elements SUV-things. |
| 18:38.03 | Dagmar | Gotta learn to use the corner of the bumper for deflecting force instead of hitting things straight on |
| 18:38.24 | NightHawkTheSane | the trick is to clip someone, not ram them |
| 18:38.31 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Too right. They have three of those as fleet vehicles at work. I despise the damn things. |
| 18:38.58 | Dagmar | EVERY time I get in them I wind up whacking my knees on something because they're just as square and unlovely on the inside as they are out |
| 18:39.42 | cog|work | Dagmar: truck side mirrors are good for that too |
| 18:39.54 | Dagmar | Too high up for the kiddies |
| 18:40.02 | cog|work | unless they're no bikes |
| 18:40.05 | cog|work | on* |
| 18:41.24 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:47.24 | alestane | You think they're ugly, Peppy, yesterday I was behind something called the Nissan Cube. |
| 18:47.32 | alestane | Ugliest vehicle I've seen yet. |
| 18:47.47 | mikma | and you drive..? |
| 18:47.53 | durcyn | i submit for your consideration the pontiac aztek |
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| 18:48.43 | Lopeppeppy | I possess a Chevy Cavalier. Neither ugly nor pretty. Just a car. |
| 18:49.04 | Ackis | I'm in a dodge journey |
| 18:49.04 | Dagmar | The Aztek is worse, but afaik they aren't making that line anymore |
| 18:49.07 | Ackis | is warms my but |
| 18:49.14 | Dagmar | If you chopped the rear off those entirely, they'd be tolerable |
| 18:49.40 | Dagmar | alestane: The Cube is not a "vehicle". It's an iPod accessory. |
| 18:50.06 | Dagmar | That you can drive it places is just fortuitous happenstance. |
| 18:50.32 | cog|work | my car's purdy: http://www.wow.com/2009/02/03/more-wow-license-plates-from-our-readers/ |
| 18:50.53 | nicoli_s | which is yers? |
| 18:50.57 | mikma | 4cockwheel |
| 18:51.04 | nevcairiel | as stated by the url, old already |
| 18:51.21 | cog|work | nicoli_s: the "cover" pic |
| 18:51.26 | nicoli_s | ahh cool |
| 18:51.49 | cog|work | the parking job is better than the perspective suggests -_- |
| 18:52.53 | Fisker | don't get me all worked up mikma |
| 18:53.10 | mikma | fisker is easy |
| 18:54.42 | Kraps | what game speed are mp games in sc? |
| 18:55.06 | Fisker | league matches are faster |
| 18:55.14 | Kraps | k |
| 18:55.27 | Kraps | faster than what? |
| 18:55.34 | Kraps | ;) |
| 18:56.48 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: guessing automatic transmission right? |
| 18:57.13 | Arrowmaster | or one of those god awful new CVTs |
| 18:57.17 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: yeah v6 |
| 18:57.22 | Arrowmaster | no fun |
| 18:57.23 | cog|work | i'm shallow when it comes to cars :P |
| 18:57.44 | cog|work | it's still zippier than anything else i've owned |
| 18:57.45 | Arrowmaster | learning to drive on a clutch is the best |
| 18:58.38 | Fisker | i think it's immoral to let people learn how to drive on a clutch |
| 18:58.38 | cog|work | i would've been happy with either |
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| 18:59.28 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: i ment for your sisters first behind-the-wheel training, seriously its no fun when you give them automatics |
| 18:59.35 | ccox | OMG why is MS Excel graphing so @$^$% slow? |
| 18:59.42 | Lopeppeppy | I learned on a tractor... stick is the way to learn! |
| 18:59.54 | Dagmar | ccox: Because DOOM IS IMPORTANT |
| 19:00.21 | Fisker | naw Lopeppeppy |
| 19:00.22 | KarlKFI|work | cog|work: some motorcycle i see regularly aroudn here says 'WOW FTW' |
| 19:00.30 | smcn | how likely would it be for an account to be compromised via a brute-force password attack? |
| 19:00.52 | Dagmar | smcn: Imagine me saying "Not fuckin' likely" |
| 19:01.03 | smcn | Dagmar: i'll need a voice sample |
| 19:01.13 | Dagmar | If you used a decent passord, it's something you can pretty much rule out. |
| 19:01.25 | cog|work | there's a PT cruiser around here with the plate PT MOOZER. it's white with black splotches, and they attatched a rope to the rear windshield wiper that looks like a wagging tail |
| 19:01.28 | Dagmar | A few dozen thousand failed attempts would have Blizzard calling to ask who you pissed off. |
| 19:01.43 | smcn | but besides that, anyone recommend a malware scanner that might find something that windows SE/spybot s&d wouldn't? |
| 19:01.51 | Dagmar | Malwarebytes. |
| 19:01.54 | Arrowmaster | 0% with a margin of error equal to the likelyness of cosmic radiation randomly swapping the bits when they first attempt it to your exact password |
| 19:01.54 | cog|work | combofix |
| 19:03.00 | Dagmar | Now, if your password was a bad one, like say "paladin", you just don't deserve to play anymore. |
| 19:03.21 | Fisker | you still can't brute that |
| 19:03.26 | Fisker | + you can't just make "paladin" |
| 19:03.37 | Dagmar | It would be in the 100 ones I'd try |
| 19:03.48 | smcn | well it wasn't my account, the password was a commonish non-wow related word followed by two numbers |
| 19:03.49 | nevcairiel | word lists are a sort of brute force too |
| 19:03.58 | smcn | nevcairiel: yeah that's what i meant |
| 19:04.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah 8 character minimum so no "paladin" |
| 19:04.09 | Dagmar | a dictionary search *is* a brute force attempt |
| 19:04.15 | Fisker | you don't get a 100 tries before you're locked out anyway |
| 19:05.05 | Dagmar | But hey, nevermind that people use shit passwords on a regular basis. Let's just discount the theory because the example was one letter short |
| 19:05.38 | smcn | alright so malware it is, seems very odd because the person in question isn't exactly a newbie, she did mention she accidentally clicked an ad on dictionary.com yesterday though |
| 19:05.50 | Fisker | you need a special character and a number |
| 19:05.52 | smcn | definitely no random url clicking :P |
| 19:05.57 | cog|work | Dagmar: i had a family member who was using a 4-letter dictionary word directly related to the work she does.... |
| 19:06.09 | cog|work | the kind of work that would be targeted by malicious individuals |
| 19:06.16 | cog|work | and somehow in 25 years she never had a problem |
| 19:06.24 | Fisker | at that point if you're guessing passwords, you're doing educated guesses, and then i don't consider it bruteforcing anymore |
| 19:06.34 | Dagmar | smcn: Dude, just two years ago both CuteOverload and New York Times had a ton of visitor compromised because of a bad actor advertiser who represented to the ad referral company that they were _Vonage_ |
| 19:06.42 | Dagmar | High profile sites are actually higher risk than porno |
| 19:06.47 | smcn | yeah |
| 19:07.13 | Jerub | i don't feel bad about quitting a hhor group immediately if i see two people with no enchants on their gear |
| 19:07.30 | Jerub | 232 level gear sure. that's doable, but only if people treat it seriously. |
| 19:07.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah the high profile sites have fewer incidents but the shear volume of infections from those rare incidents trumps the minor stuff |
| 19:08.33 | Arrowmaster | smcn: have you checked that both adobe flash and adobe reader are updated? |
| 19:08.39 | smcn | cog|work: combofix.org? WOT is giving me a warning for it |
| 19:08.47 | smcn | Arrowmaster: no, that's probably a good idea |
| 19:08.51 | cog|work | Schnaks: no |
| 19:08.53 | Fisker | try google |
| 19:08.57 | Arrowmaster | smcn: i found somebody that still had adobe reader 7 i think |
| 19:09.00 | cog|work | s/Schnaks/smcn/ |
| 19:09.04 | Fisker | wat Arrowmaster |
| 19:09.05 | Fisker | wat. |
| 19:09.21 | cog|work | smcn: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/combofix/how-to-use-combofix |
| 19:09.33 | smcn | cog|work: roger |
| 19:09.36 | cog|work | download links are under "Using ComboFix" |
| 19:09.51 | Arrowmaster | my neighbors computer when i had to fix their computer because porn popups kept coming up |
| 19:10.28 | Fisker | bam |
| 19:10.34 | Fisker | intel got pwnt |
| 19:12.04 | Dagmar | Between ComboFix, Malwarebytes, and judicious (and intelligent) use of Rootkit Revealer, you should be able to remove even 0-day malware |
| 19:12.25 | Dagmar | Fucking *forget* doing it with McAffee, Norton, etc |
| 19:12.28 | smcn | Arrowmaster: well like i said, the person in question isn't a random link clicker and definitely not browsing porn :P but i think the adobe autoupdater stuff is disabled so that might help |
| 19:12.42 | smcn | oh god i haven't used any "retail" av in 10 years |
| 19:12.45 | Arrowmaster | smcn: neither was anybody on that computer |
| 19:12.51 | cog|work | smcn: "definitely not" usually means "probably is" imo :> |
| 19:12.53 | Fisker | secunia psi is a great tool as well btw |
| 19:13.04 | Fisker | helps you keep all your software up to date |
| 19:13.31 | smcn | cog|work: if that's what it means then i will avoid even thinking about it or suffer extreme psychological trauma |
| 19:13.40 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 19:15.42 | smcn | thanks yall for the suggestions |
| 19:15.47 | cog|work | gl |
| 19:15.59 | smcn | sent her my spare authenticator too so hopefully won't happen again :P |
| 19:16.31 | Fisker | is she hot? |
| 19:17.06 | Ackis | Fisker: "suffer extreme psychological trauma" so yes, she is hot |
| 19:17.09 | Arrowmaster | my friend and his younger sister both have their own laptops and their father rarely uses the computer if ever, plus they all have their own accounts on that desktop even though they dont use it anymore and the infection was on their moms account |
| 19:17.29 | Arrowmaster | so yeah porn popups from an ad or pdf exploit |
| 19:17.45 | Fisker | yeah that sounds hot Ackis |
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| 19:18.41 | KarlKFI|work | you sure she wasnt lookign at porn? |
| 19:18.47 | Dagmar | Ther'es also the possibility they were spearfished. |
| 19:19.01 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI|work: the way she freaked out over the popups, yeah im sure |
| 19:19.04 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/04/intel-and-ftc-settle-charges-of-anticompetitive-conduct/ is awesome though |
| 19:19.23 | Dagmar | Someone might have sent them a perfectly normal link in an email that goes to a compromised webserver that has evil intentions ofr all visitors |
| 19:19.37 | Fisker | now we just need nvidia to get their license confirmed |
| 19:19.38 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:19.52 | Dagmar | But I'm about >< close to being of the opinion that Windows users _deserve_ all the pain they get\ |
| 19:19.59 | KarlKFI|work | Arrowmaster: too bad |
| 19:20.22 | durcyn | yes, there's a new intel cpu, obviously we need a shitty nforce chipset for it |
| 19:20.34 | durcyn | please ship me more broken ethernet controllers, nvidia |
| 19:20.45 | KarlKFI|work | wtb sandy bridge + bulldozer 6 months early |
| 19:20.48 | Dagmar | durcyn: Mine've been workin' fine |
| 19:20.52 | nevcairiel | nvidia said long ago that they actually have no plans to produce chipsets anymore |
| 19:21.20 | Fisker | sandy bridge yeah KarlKFI |
| 19:21.21 | Fisker | do want |
| 19:21.31 | KarlKFI|work | next summer is gonna be battle of the cpus |
| 19:21.34 | nevcairiel | want a sand bridge 6 core for affordable prices |
| 19:21.40 | nevcairiel | but thats going to be even longer |
| 19:21.42 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: well they made the NF200 but thats not really a chipset |
| 19:21.50 | nevcairiel | the nf200 works fine though |
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| 19:21.59 | Fisker | yeah it annoys me that sandy bridge will be mainstream for quite some time |
| 19:22.56 | nevcairiel | also curious that noone else made a pcie switchign chip like that |
| 19:23.03 | nevcairiel | maybe they managed to patent it so tightly |
| 19:24.03 | Arrowmaster | the ideal situation though would be if it wasnt needed and they just put way more pcie lanes on newer cpu/chipsets |
| 19:24.11 | nevcairiel | there are enough |
| 19:24.16 | nevcairiel | on the high-end chipsets |
| 19:24.27 | Arrowmaster | no there isnt |
| 19:24.47 | Arrowmaster | theres only like 40/44 i think on the x58 |
| 19:25.17 | Arrowmaster | and 32 of those goto gfx card slots now |
| 19:25.39 | cog|work | wtf... Installed memory: 4.00 GB (3.87 usable). System type: 64-bit |
| 19:25.42 | Arrowmaster | i think 4 are for the connection between the northbridge and southbridge |
| 19:25.52 | nevcairiel | a nf200 doesnt magically increase the number of lanes you have |
| 19:25.55 | nevcairiel | anyway |
| 19:25.56 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 19:26.09 | cog|work | why wouldn't all the ram be usable on a 64-bit system? |
| 19:26.27 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: how much ram is in the system? |
| 19:26.31 | nevcairiel | there are technicaly limitations why they dont just throw 100 lanes at you |
| 19:26.41 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: 4gb |
| 19:26.53 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: yes i know, the limit isnt from the chipset but actually the cpu/chipset combo |
| 19:27.06 | Arrowmaster | but it wouldnt hurt to add another 16 or so |
| 19:27.21 | nevcairiel | for what? |
| 19:27.31 | Arrowmaster | since every onboard device ends up taking away a pcie lane |
| 19:27.52 | nevcairiel | a single gfx doesnt really use its 16, they usually can live with 8 |
| 19:27.53 | Arrowmaster | if its not part of the northbridge/southbridge |
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| 19:29.01 | nevcairiel | if you want to run quad-sli or something, you have serious mental defects anyway :p |
| 19:29.02 | Dagmar | cog: Reserved for graphics memory most likely |
| 19:29.03 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: imho the benefit of the nf200 isnt that i could run a quatro and 3 tesla cards all at 16x with my mobo but that i can get 16x out of any of the 7 pcie slots |
| 19:29.23 | cog|work | Dagmar: it's a 64-bit system. it shouldn't matter. none of my other 64-bit installations say this |
| 19:29.47 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: integrated gfx? |
| 19:29.54 | cog|work | nvidia 9600gt |
| 19:30.07 | nevcairiel | its a rare case, thats why they don't increase the cost just for that, tbh |
| 19:30.09 | Arrowmaster | but does it have integrated gfx even if you arent using it |
| 19:30.23 | nevcairiel | and because its also linked with the chipset, they cant extend it on the highend cpus |
| 19:30.32 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: nope |
| 19:31.35 | Fisker | What motherboard is it? |
| 19:31.42 | cog|work | your motherboard |
| 19:31.45 | Fisker | k |
| 19:31.52 | cog|work | c wut i did ther |
| 19:31.55 | Fisker | doesn't help then |
| 19:32.01 | Dagmar | cog: Far as I know video cards still map at least some RAM for GART |
| 19:32.21 | Dagmar | The gap between 4gb and 3.87gb is so small I'm pretty sure it's an IO mapping thing |
| 19:32.52 | cog|work | Dagmar: mapping addresses only "consumes" ram on 32-bit systems because there aren't enough addresses available. Do you mean that it actually uses the system ram itself? |
| 19:32.52 | Dagmar | Go into the bios and change the size of the window (that;'s likely set to 256mb right now) and see if things change |
| 19:33.29 | Dagmar | cog: See, now you're asking me to be responsible for whatever hte hell Windows does that doesn't make sense |
| 19:33.38 | Fisker | Or better yet look if something called memory remapping (or similar) exists |
| 19:33.45 | nevcairiel | doesnt sound like it would be something windows does |
| 19:33.50 | Fisker | and if that doesn't solve the issue look online for updates to your motherboard |
| 19:34.02 | Dagmar | I know it *should* be able to map that into virtual space above 4Gb, but whether or not it does is dependent on whether or not Windows thinks someone used 32-bit software somewher ein your hose |
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| 19:46.25 | Kraps | well blizz, thanks for have the AI type "gg" and scaring the crap out of me |
| 19:47.08 | Arrowmaster | yeah i dont like the idea of that |
| 19:47.34 | nicoli_s | they should make the ai ragequit |
| 19:47.44 | foxlit | spew insults in chat? |
| 19:48.08 | foxlit | I WOULDN'T FALL FOR THAT CANNON PROXY IF YOU DIDN'T PLAY ME ON EASY, YOU NOOB. |
| 19:48.19 | Arrowmaster | but its probably because im used to the snotty stuck up counter-strike players that have fucking keybinds for 'say glhf' for the beginning of a match and 'say gg' for the end of a match and totally remove all meaning from it |
| 19:48.39 | Fisker | whatcha talkin 'bout foxlit? |
| 19:48.46 | Fisker | i cannon rushed 1v2 insane |
| 19:49.22 | Kraps | so whats a cannon rush/proxy? |
| 19:49.24 | Fisker | and oddly enough pulling off 1v4 insane is "easier" compared to "very hard" |
| 19:49.34 | Fisker | Kraps building cannons in the oppoonents base |
| 19:49.37 | Fisker | opponents* |
| 19:49.45 | Fisker | or very close to anyway |
| 19:49.54 | Arrowmaster | hates counter-strike players, especially after having to run a server for a lan party tournament and having them constantly fucking bitching about it not being '100tick' |
| 19:49.57 | Kraps | terran? |
| 19:50.05 | Fisker | protoss |
| 19:50.15 | Fisker | terran would have to put down a bunker or something |
| 19:50.19 | foxlit | what's a 100tick? |
| 19:50.37 | Fisker | amount of updates sent to the server or something |
| 19:50.44 | Kraps | bunkers suck, siege tanks are way better |
| 19:50.46 | Fisker | only for elitist jerks etc. |
| 19:51.01 | Fisker | i don't think you can really do a rush with siege tanks :P |
| 19:51.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah and these fuck tards couldnt understand that it was a linux server and you cant change the tick rate without recompiling the entire fucking kernel |
| 19:51.24 | Kraps | i'm talking in general Fisker |
| 19:51.26 | Arrowmaster | plus all modern linux kernels are tickless now anyway |
| 19:51.36 | foxlit | 0tick > 100tick? |
| 19:51.53 | Kraps | for base defense |
| 19:52.19 | foxlit | siege tanks without bunkers are like battlecruisers without upgrades. |
| 19:52.20 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: i truely have no fucking idea |
| 19:52.33 | Arrowmaster | and dont care |
| 19:53.12 | Arrowmaster | i think at that event i ended up screaming at them in the middle of the night something like 'get the fuck outa here, go back to your god damn computers and stop bugging me' |
| 19:53.32 | Dagmar | Good call |
| 19:54.02 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt even officially on the staff for the event even |
| 19:54.37 | Kraps | foxlit: yes they go together but consider: siege tanks + defending units > bunkers + defending units |
| 19:54.44 | Dagmar | The tick rate is that of the game server process |
| 19:54.49 | Dagmar | It has jack and shit to do with the kernel |
| 19:55.18 | Dagmar | So if they were asking you to change the kernel for thatm, they're all ignorant shitheads who should be repurposed as peat |
| 19:55.20 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i do remember that the only way of changing it for cs on linux servers was to recompile the kernel though |
| 19:55.26 | Kraps | anyway whats going on with custom maps? |
| 19:55.30 | Dagmar | http://whisper.ausgamers.com/wiki/index.php/Tickrate |
| 19:55.39 | Dagmar | Note the big red text |
| 19:57.07 | Fisker | lold that they tell you to run windows media player on the windows server |
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| 19:57.22 | Fierceflame | Hey! |
| 19:57.35 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: read down further on that page |
| 19:57.35 | zenzelezz | Hi! |
| 19:57.45 | Dagmar | The only "tick" like that that's adjustable in the kernel has options for 250, 300, and 1000. |
| 19:57.58 | nevcairiel | did they remove the 100 now? |
| 19:58.01 | Dagmar | S'got nothing to do with how many update cycles per second that the CS server does |
| 19:58.13 | nevcairiel | tickless ftw anyway |
| 19:58.37 | Fierceflame | Running into a problem with GetPvPTimer(), it says that it's a nil value, is it deprecated or something? |
| 19:58.40 | Dagmar | Doh yeah there's a 100Mhz setting in there still |
| 19:58.55 | Arrowmaster | !api getpvp |
| 19:58.56 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'getpvp': GetPVPLifetimeStats, GetPVPRankProgress, GetPVPRankInfo, GetPVPDesired, GetPVPSessionStats, GetPVPYesterdayStats, GetPVPTimer |
| 19:58.57 | Dagmar | Either way, it's going to have no effect on the CS server |
| 19:59.04 | foxlit | note the capital V |
| 19:59.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Fierceflame: case sensetive |
| 19:59.15 | nevcairiel | if you run a 100hz kernel, you can't get much more out of the server |
| 19:59.21 | Fierceflame | Ah thanks |
| 19:59.32 | nevcairiel | but just changign the kernel wont change the server |
| 19:59.33 | Fierceflame | Capital V >< |
| 19:59.42 | Fisker | do i need a 100Hz monitor for a 100Hz kernel? |
| 19:59.49 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 20:00.03 | Fierceflame | Anyone knows if that function returns nil if there isnt a PVPtimer active? |
| 20:00.05 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: well at that time -tickrate 100 had absolutely no effect and they all bitched it was still 33 |
| 20:00.10 | Fisker | then with a 200Hz monitor i can get a 3D kernel |
| 20:01.37 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Bitched that what was still 33? |
| 20:01.49 | Arrowmaster | the tickrate |
| 20:02.00 | Dagmar | The kernel's interrupt timer has nothing to do with it |
| 20:02.25 | Dagmar | The only thing that can happen there is it can generate _more_ interrupts per second |
| 20:02.48 | Dagmar | ...whcih would only improve CS server process performance, provided not a lot of other processes were being run at once |
| 20:03.24 | nevcairiel | CS kids are ocd about that anyway, a server has to run at over 900fps to be even remotely playable, apparently |
| 20:03.33 | Dagmar | Here's an old post that sort of explains it better http://lwn.net/Articles/145973/ |
| 20:05.20 | Dagmar | There's literally not a kernel setting that could make the CS server process unable to handle 100 ticks a second |
| 20:05.31 | nevcairiel | this is true |
| 20:05.40 | nevcairiel | 250 is even the default these days |
| 20:06.00 | Dagmar | You have to learn to plant your feet and say "I AM THE ADMIN, AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN SHUT UP AND MAKE YOUR OWN SERVER OR BE FED TO MY CATS." |
| 20:06.11 | Arrowmaster | i did |
| 20:06.16 | Dagmar | Good man. |
| 20:06.21 | Arrowmaster | then i went back to trying to get quake4 server running |
| 20:06.22 | foxlit | And they were like "lol noob" |
| 20:06.33 | Arrowmaster | since the game had just been released and nobody fucking knew anything about it |
| 20:06.41 | Dagmar | foxlit: THat's whne you start arp poisoning players at random |
| 20:07.00 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: fail then, it uses the doom3 network code, which was out before :p |
| 20:07.07 | Arrowmaster | the CS players were even bitching about the DJ |
| 20:07.21 | Dagmar | Wow that' sa good way to get killed |
| 20:07.56 | Arrowmaster | the dude was even playing lots of dragonforce and video game music remixes |
| 20:08.34 | Arrowmaster | he was awesome for never DJing a lan party before |
| 20:08.55 | durcyn | CS players are scum |
| 20:09.20 | nevcairiel | and i thought cs meant cyber scum |
| 20:09.37 | Dagmar | It's nothing some beatings can't cure. |
| 20:09.54 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: well i think the issue was that nobody knew anything about the quake4 server settings so i had to pretty much do trial and error before the tournament |
| 20:09.58 | Kraps | this is lol http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248296682?page=1 |
| 20:09.59 | nevcairiel | but its true, on our lan partys the cs players always were the most annoying |
| 20:10.05 | Fisker | cs players broke my street |
| 20:10.24 | haste | actually misses the days of playing CS with friends. |
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| 20:10.43 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 20:10.49 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 20:11.23 | Fisker | this was not what i expected |
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| 20:13.30 | Dagmar | kraps: PILES of retarded kids like that are the reason I don't play SC multiplayer |
| 20:14.09 | Dagmar | I just wanna smack the kid who tries to bring a chess analogy in, claiming the guy was avoiding a checkmate by not making a move. No, it's actually a goddamn stalemate. |
| 20:14.50 | Dagmar | Maybe the kid should play a second game of chess so he knows something about what he's saying. |
| 20:16.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: you assume a first game was ever played |
| 20:18.22 | nevcairiel | lost in 5 moves, probably |
| 20:18.23 | Dagmar | I suck a chess, but I know enough to piss my gf off by sneakiily forcing a stalemate so I don't lose |
| 20:18.42 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248296682?page=5#85 |
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| 20:20.36 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 20:20.40 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 20:22.35 | Ackis | what's base trading? |
| 20:22.52 | Kraps | ^ |
| 20:23.10 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i think you almost have to /try/ to lose, to lose that quickly :P |
| 20:23.52 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: theres that 1 opening that can do that |
| 20:24.02 | Kraps | i've lost to it :/ |
| 20:24.30 | NightHawkTheSane | .. |
| 20:25.40 | Ackis | Kraps: what were you ^ing to? |
| 20:25.49 | Kraps | your question |
| 20:26.02 | Ackis | ah wasn't sure if you had the answer |
| 20:26.22 | Fisker | guessing it have something to do with trading of bases |
| 20:26.26 | Arrowmaster | from the thread it seems to mean both sides attacking each others base and destorying it |
| 20:26.47 | Arrowmaster | meaning they are willing to lose their base if they can destory the others |
| 20:26.49 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I got that as well, but a few posts made me question it |
| 20:26.49 | foxlit | Aand SC2 continues to be broken. |
| 20:27.02 | Fisker | no! |
| 20:27.22 | Fisker | new wow patch yet? |
| 20:28.16 | Kraps | your mom has a new patch fis |
| 20:28.19 | Kraps | ker |
| 20:28.38 | Ackis | bah stupid Canadian dollar being so high |
| 20:28.48 | Fisker | haha Ackis |
| 20:29.03 | Fisker | "bah stupid british sterling pound being so high" though |
| 20:29.45 | NightHawkTheSane | bah, stupid stuff. |
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| 20:29.49 | cog|work | Ackis: bah stupid canadians being so high |
| 20:30.27 | Fisker | Buying games from the UK in steam is only about 10 euro cheaper now |
| 20:31.06 | foxlit | "I have played this game for around 7 hours now... i haven't been able to make my mind up about whether or not to buy this game yet... id rather not spend GBP35 on a game to find i don't like it" |
| 20:31.36 | Kraps | foxlit: lol |
| 20:31.44 | Fisker | sc2? |
| 20:31.50 | foxlit | sc2. |
| 20:32.03 | Kraps | i played for 6 hours and 40 minutes |
| 20:32.21 | Kraps | and then i knew i would buy it |
| 20:32.26 | Kraps | and i did |
| 20:32.31 | Kraps | so yay me |
| 20:32.51 | foxlit | I just pre-ordered the CE. How could anything with a 2gb usb stick be bad? |
| 20:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, i really don't actually believe that anyone could do ANYTHING for 7 hours and not decide if they want to spend money to continue doing it. |
| 20:33.19 | cog|work | i played for 15 minutes at blizzcon (07?) and knew i'd buy it |
| 20:33.37 | foxlit | Yo, Fisker. |
| 20:33.37 | Fisker | i didn't play it and i knew i'd buy it |
| 20:33.44 | Fisker | yo foxlit what up? |
| 20:33.46 | foxlit | Achievement server down? Profiles not loading? |
| 20:33.54 | Fisker | idk? |
| 20:33.58 | cog|work | http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/08/judge_vaughn_walker_hands_vict.html |
| 20:34.03 | foxlit | European battle.net team asleep at their homes? |
| 20:34.09 | Kraps | Achievement server lawl |
| 20:34.17 | Lunessa | foxlit: and a COOL usb stick too |
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| 20:34.35 | NightHawkTheSane | what does the CE come with that makes me really care? |
| 20:34.40 | foxlit | Lunessa: the orange plastic bit is meh, but the rest is awesome. |
| 20:34.41 | Fisker | a wow pet |
| 20:34.48 | foxlit | soundtrack |
| 20:34.52 | Fisker | a wow pet |
| 20:34.54 | foxlit | fancy art book? |
| 20:34.58 | Fisker | a wow pet |
| 20:35.05 | Kraps | foxlit: the us auth servers were down a bit ago |
| 20:35.26 | Lunessa | I like fancy art books. I keep them all pristine and clean and never look inside lest they become smudged. |
| 20:35.38 | Fisker | remember the wow pet Lunessa |
| 20:35.47 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. i do enjoy art books. |
| 20:35.48 | Fisker | yay i got 4 digit achievement points |
| 20:35.50 | Fisker | 0000 |
| 20:35.55 | Fisker | aww i got 0 now :( |
| 20:35.55 | Lunessa | the mini thor is pretty awesome |
| 20:35.58 | NightHawkTheSane | the soundtracks never really sell me. It's neat, but meh |
| 20:36.15 | foxlit | The comic is meh. |
| 20:36.22 | Kraps | i have 285 so hah Fisker |
| 20:36.30 | foxlit | And so is the making of dvd. |
| 20:36.31 | Ackis | does the mini-Thor interact with the zergling or grunty? |
| 20:36.38 | Fisker | idk |
| 20:36.48 | Fisker | i don't think so |
| 20:36.51 | Fisker | would be cool though |
| 20:37.08 | foxlit | should interact with mini xt, tbh |
| 20:37.11 | Ackis | You should get a title in WoW if you have those three pets on your account |
| 20:37.40 | Fisker | then we are agreed Ackis |
| 20:37.42 | Kraps | Ackis: imagine the outrage |
| 20:37.45 | Ackis | Blizzard Beatch Ackis |
| 20:37.50 | Kraps | or dont |
| 20:38.01 | Ackis | the tears will feed me! |
| 20:38.03 | Fisker | heck |
| 20:38.20 | Fisker | people can rage over Blizzard taking time to give that make-a-wish kid a good time |
| 20:38.27 | Kraps | really? |
| 20:38.37 | Fisker | sure |
| 20:38.47 | Fisker | People were pissed that they gave him some gear + the mount |
| 20:38.57 | Ackis | Fisker: I didn't rage, I just think they should've given him a lifetime subscription |
| 20:39.03 | Fisker | OH SNAP Ackis |
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| 20:39.30 | Kraps | ~whalenuke Ackis |
| 20:39.31 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Ackis with his mind powers. |
| 20:40.52 | Kraps | i wish the game had rightclick camera dragging |
| 20:40.59 | Fisker | There was also someone complaining about the "Can you help me find my dog"-dialogue he plays when you pass the npc and quest they made for him |
| 20:41.15 | Fisker | A few ugly posts later, thread deleted :P |
| 20:41.29 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 20:41.41 | Kraps | lets post real names on the forums |
| 20:41.57 | Ackis | I'm reading a document that has a section: 1.1.3.3.1.4.2.2 |
| 20:41.58 | Ackis | wtf |
| 20:42.02 | Ackis | that's 8 layers |
| 20:42.09 | Fisker | your mom is 8 layers |
| 20:42.26 | Ackis | 8 layers works in a taco bell burrito, but not in a policy doc |
| 20:42.30 | foxlit | Microsoft Word? |
| 20:43.15 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm..... burritos.. |
| 20:43.16 | Ackis | yeah |
| 20:43.43 | Fisker | i made a mess in the burritos you were thinking about NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:43.45 | Fisker | sorry |
| 20:44.28 | Kraps | oh hey http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248427295 |
| 20:44.47 | Kraps | epic second post |
| 20:45.39 | foxlit | Clearly misdirected. Should be suing manufacturers of defective video cards. |
| 20:45.48 | Fisker | lol Kraps |
| 20:45.51 | foxlit | Who'll of course point out that it sometimes help to have a few air holes in your case. |
| 20:45.52 | Fisker | ^^ foxlit |
| 20:45.56 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 20:46.04 | Fisker | sue the case manufacturers |
| 20:46.33 | foxlit | They'll just tell you to vacuum your room ocassionally. |
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| 20:48.09 | Kraps | whats a drop hack? |
| 20:49.25 | Fisker | a hack that drops you from the game |
| 20:50.03 | Kraps | how does it work? |
| 20:50.30 | Fierceflame | Yay stuff fixed now :D Now letting guildies trying to break it xD |
| 20:50.34 | Fisker | The current one that seems to be making it's rounds is working somehow by faking some data, which makes both players disconnect |
| 20:50.42 | Fisker | but the hack can apparently make the first guy disconnect |
| 20:50.45 | Fisker | so the second guy wins |
| 20:51.08 | Kraps | thats shitty |
| 20:51.33 | Fisker | indeed |
| 20:51.38 | foxlit | Input validation is for cowards, clearly. |
| 20:52.24 | Fisker | crashing is a way of validating input too! |
| 20:52.49 | Kraps | why is 3 per harvest spot "optimal"? i can see 4 or 5 working too, faster turnaround |
| 20:53.17 | Fisker | you can only have one working per patch |
| 20:53.36 | Fisker | 3 is the optimal because then you will always have a worker on the mineral patch |
| 20:53.56 | Fisker | if you put more you're just wasting workers |
| 20:54.17 | Fisker | unless of course you're mining from further away than nessecary, but that shouldn't be happening in the first place |
| 20:54.49 | Kraps | if you have more you'll have 3 always at the node |
| 20:55.02 | foxlit | Only one can actually mine the node |
| 20:55.03 | Fisker | but only one can actually mine |
| 20:55.14 | Kraps | oh ya?! |
| 20:55.20 | Fisker | YA |
| 20:55.24 | Kraps | !! |
| 20:55.28 | Ackis | I put 8 on each node |
| 20:55.41 | Fisker | i put 25 on each node |
| 20:55.52 | foxlit | This is clearly leading up to a punchline. |
| 20:56.24 | Ackis | I put your mom on my node |
| 20:56.27 | Fisker | it takes a while for my opponent to storm over my 30 or so pylons that i have used as a shield for my nexus |
| 20:57.03 | Ackis | I don't build anything until I can build a carrier |
| 20:57.22 | Kraps | yeah protoss and their shields confuse me |
| 20:57.27 | Fisker | at which point you're sitting at the match history looking over what mistakes you made |
| 20:57.27 | Fisker | :P |
| 20:57.33 | Ackis | then I fighter swarm you with 500 fighters |
| 20:58.04 | foxlit | "Ackis: I don't build anything until I can build a carrier" << does not resolve. |
| 20:58.14 | Kraps | why do they have the weird shape at the end of their health bars? |
| 20:58.20 | foxlit | Cannot build a carrier without gas, cannot get gas without building an assimiltor. |
| 20:58.36 | Ackis | foxlit: :P I meant combat units |
| 21:00.13 | Fisker | probes are awesome combat units |
| 21:00.19 | Fisker | they can't die if micro'd properly! |
| 21:00.39 | Kraps | Fisker: why do they have the weird shape at the end of their health bars? |
| 21:01.02 | foxlit | screenshot or it's a rendering artifact. |
| 21:01.15 | Kraps | ... |
| 21:01.27 | Kraps | its on all protoss stuff |
| 21:01.29 | Fisker | agreed? |
| 21:01.40 | Fisker | Is it the squares on the command bar? |
| 21:01.45 | Kraps | brb |
| 21:01.46 | Fisker | because those are the shields |
| 21:02.20 | foxlit | I remember nothing weird about protoss health bars. Then again, I don't hold alt often. |
| 21:03.16 | Pneumatus | anyone with the esES or esMX language pack able to share the /facepalm translation :) |
| 21:04.24 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Do you guys have a preferred means by which I obtain the book? (ie, brick and mortar, amazon affiliate, etc?) |
| 21:04.50 | Fisker | Robbery gone wrong Lunessa |
| 21:04.59 | Fisker | And preferably a tv-adaption of it |
| 21:05.36 | Lunessa | Fisker: Do you have a copy at home? 'cause then I can break in, steal your copy, shoot you and make it a double-epic-win! |
| 21:05.55 | Fisker | no... of course not! |
| 21:06.03 | Lunessa | *chuckle* |
| 21:06.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that would require him to have obtained something resembling actual knowledge :P |
| 21:06.55 | Lunessa | NHTS: You never know, trolls gotta have a pretty big bag-o-tricks |
| 21:07.35 | Lunessa | also - LULZ - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26399119695&sid=1 |
| 21:07.51 | cog|work | Lunessa: |
| 21:07.54 | cog|work | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:07.55 | purl | somebody said wowprogramming was World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 21:08.02 | cog|work | the first link is the best |
| 21:08.21 | Lunessa | cog|work: Thanks. |
| 21:08.53 | Kraps | heres the screenie http://www.box.net/shared/msr6p5rfk1 |
| 21:09.14 | Kraps | the uptick on the left of the healthbar |
| 21:10.01 | Fisker | design |
| 21:10.45 | alestane | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/08/prop8-gay-marriage.html |
| 21:10.46 | Kraps | fucking protoss, how do they work? |
| 21:11.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: oh man, that 3010 expansion is going to be sweet. |
| 21:11.20 | alestane | Will probably get appealed, but could easily end up putting the question in front of the Supreme Court. Be interesting to see if it's upheld. |
| 21:11.50 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: s/probably/definitely/, but it's at least a good step |
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| 21:14.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 21:15.08 | Adys | Open challenge! |
| 21:15.40 | Adys | 91 NGyY5W6H%5FnPSpUO0zhB0lqXfiStIhF8kU0kCGu3eH1SvDiwjQfqKq5pF78egCm |
| 21:15.42 | Adys | result: NGyY5WkG5uhGUYzODcQOQvG9pPY6cX8wUMPejxxSPZziEj7K4dfru6pJmJ9I5X2yiaRngx: |
| 21:15.48 | Adys | "decrypt it" =) |
| 21:15.49 | Ackis | Adys: 42 |
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| 21:16.04 | Adys | it should look like an array of numbers |
| 21:16.08 | Adys | ints that is |
| 21:16.16 | Ackis | Adys: [42] |
| 21:19.25 | Kraps | whats a good sc strategy/l2play website? |
| 21:19.44 | *** join/#wowuidev Avis (~chatzilla@24-181-71-177.dhcp.nwnn.ga.charter.com) |
| 21:20.14 | Adys | Kraps: l2psc2.com |
| 21:20.15 | Arrowmaster | alestane: the shocking thing is the judge and the representing attorney imho |
| 21:20.40 | Pneumatus | http://day9tv.blip.tv/ |
| 21:20.55 | Kraps | hey Adys |
| 21:20.59 | Kraps | no |
| 21:21.42 | Ackis | I love getting raises and not being told about them |
| 21:23.24 | alestane | Better than getting cuts without notification. |
| 21:23.46 | Adys | takes a knife and cuts alestane |
| 21:24.13 | alestane | wasn't notified. |
| 21:24.27 | alestane | ~staple Adys |
| 21:24.27 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Adys quite well, and hands Adys to alestane |
| 21:24.34 | Adys | ~whalezero alestane |
| 21:24.35 | purl | ACTION summons Hubert the Mathematician Whale to create a black hole aimed at alestane's body through a powerful unhandled division by zero. |
| 21:25.24 | Kraps | who the hell are all these whales? |
| 21:25.31 | Adys | nicoli_s, ping |
| 21:25.45 | Adys | actually anyone; I'm looking for a good swf decompiler, any advice? |
| 21:25.55 | nicoli_s | um i had one, lemme find it |
| 21:26.01 | foxlit | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Why%3F:Nuke_the_whales ? |
| 21:26.16 | foxlit | sothink, Adys. |
| 21:26.22 | foxlit | Though it's been a while |
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| 21:27.08 | Adys | cheers foxlit |
| 21:27.37 | Adys | lets see if this runs on wine |
| 21:28.12 | Adys | Office 2007 style, multi-language interface: English, German, French, Traditional Chinese, Italian and Korean |
| 21:28.18 | Adys | that would be a probable no |
| 21:29.31 | Lunessa | Bumper sticker once seen in the 80s: "I'd nuke a gay baby whale for Jesus to save my kids from sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll." |
| 21:33.28 | Adys | holy crap that runs well |
| 21:33.32 | Adys | ~wine++ |
| 21:34.08 | Kraps | gotta whole lot of love |
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| 21:34.56 | Kraps | cool! http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_II_unit_quotations |
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| 21:44.06 | Kraps | can you kill or destroy your own stuff in sc without shooting at them? |
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| 21:45.24 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:45.34 | Kraps | dude... |
| 21:46.33 | Fisker | umadbrah |
| 21:46.41 | Fisker | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29744/DRM_Firm_Uniloc_Files_Suit_Against_Activision_Sony_Aspyr.php <-just like these guys |
| 21:47.32 | Fisker | kd3 or cog|work |
| 21:47.34 | Fisker | patch me |
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| 21:48.49 | Yssaril | Fisker: i do belive that you will have to reinstall beta for the new patch |
| 21:49.05 | Yssaril | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26262801168&sid=2000 |
| 21:49.06 | Fisker | i know |
| 21:49.09 | Fisker | this is what i want |
| 21:49.10 | Fisker | nao |
| 21:49.16 | Yssaril | ahh |
| 21:51.00 | Adys | foxlit: is there any way to export all resources outside of sothink? |
| 21:51.07 | Adys | once it's opened |
| 21:51.26 | Adys | it's working but there are parts blacked out |
| 21:51.33 | foxlit | There definitely was in earlier version. I'm not sure what they restrict for trials |
| 21:51.42 | Adys | Oh, i think i see it |
| 21:51.56 | Adys | resources => tick "all" => click export |
| 21:52.11 | Adys | man this ui is too complex and completely user-unfriendly. |
| 21:52.15 | Adys | coughs |
| 21:53.58 | cog|work | laughs at all the dumbasses who uninstalled beta before the patch that makes uninstalling necessary |
| 21:55.03 | Fisker | true cog|work |
| 21:55.23 | Fisker | but it will only be truly lulzworthy if they decide to not launch the new launcher today |
| 21:55.24 | Fisker | :D |
| 21:55.52 | cog|work | they never said anything about a patch today. only maintenance |
| 21:56.00 | cog|work | so it's already that lulzworthy imo |
| 21:56.34 | Fisker | meh |
| 21:56.48 | Lunessa | cog|work: I just zipped up my current directory as a back up. :) |
| 21:56.52 | Fisker | i liked the thread on the sc2 forums where they wanted to sue blizzard over the "overheating bug" |
| 21:57.46 | Yssaril | lol |
| 22:01.03 | Adys | foxlit: very nice |
| 22:01.07 | Adys | thanks a lot, nicoli_s too |
| 22:18.20 | Fisker | thank you for helping us test the cataclysm beta cog|work |
| 22:20.42 | Fisker | hoho |
| 22:20.47 | Fisker | 2k is going all in with steamworks |
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| 22:31.57 | cog|work | Lunessa: your next toon should be named Unklunethay |
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| 22:32.13 | Lunessa | cog|work: lulz? |
| 22:32.40 | Lunessa | my wowi account is my old equi account carried forward. |
| 22:32.54 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:34.08 | Lunessa | And Lothay was my primary EQ character (have one in WoW too). Lunessa was my main until TBC and I posted on the forums as Lunessa so I used it here to be consistent... and then said "f it" |
| 22:34.16 | Lunessa | I prefer Unkle anyway. |
| 22:35.34 | Lunessa | However, that's already taken here. |
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| 22:55.54 | MoonWitch | hey guys and girls :) |
| 22:56.42 | NightHawkTheSane | yo |
| 22:56.52 | MoonWitch | yo |
| 22:57.19 | MoonWitch | and before anyone brings up sleeping : I've slept 7 hrs (went to bed 5pmish) |
| 22:57.21 | Kraps | i learned 2 new thing in sc today: you can hotkey buildings; i dont need no stinkin reactor, i can select 2 or more building and have them build simultaneously |
| 22:57.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i wasn't going to bring up sleeping |
| 22:57.50 | NightHawkTheSane | (and here's where i resist the urge to say "unless its with me") |
| 22:57.57 | MoonWitch | let it out |
| 22:58.04 | MoonWitch | holding back is bad for your health |
| 22:58.07 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 22:58.28 | NightHawkTheSane | no, not having had a cup of coffee in like 8 hours is bad for my health :P |
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| 22:59.18 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 22:59.32 | Kraps | MoonWitch: what general area do you live in? |
| 23:00.51 | MoonWitch | Kraps : Belgium |
| 23:01.01 | Kraps | ah |
| 23:02.03 | Cairenn | which means it's like 2am .... go sleep |
| 23:02.12 | MoonWitch | I just got up! |
| 23:02.21 | MoonWitch | I went to bed at 5PM . it's 1AM |
| 23:02.40 | Kraps | night owl much? :p |
| 23:02.52 | MoonWitch | yes |
| 23:03.16 | Cairenn | honestly, you're giving me a run for my money on who has the more fucked up sleep schedule these days, MoonWitch |
| 23:03.28 | MoonWitch | Cairenn, I aim to please? |
| 23:03.30 | MoonWitch | >.< |
| 23:03.33 | Cairenn | that's not a good thing :p |
| 23:04.04 | MoonWitch | the issue is actually that I frequently have to go sleep after eating |
| 23:04.16 | MoonWitch | when I then sleep 4 to 5 hrs, I can't sleep later on |
| 23:04.17 | MoonWitch | etc |
| 23:04.23 | Cairenn | nod, I know |
| 23:04.28 | MoonWitch | so I just gave up the sleeping on a normal time so far |
| 23:05.07 | MoonWitch | right now I am trying to eat a form of mutilated spaghetti |
| 23:06.12 | nicoli_s | i have a kitty named spaghetti |
| 23:06.34 | MoonWitch | then that sentence must look horrible to you :( |
| 23:06.34 | MoonWitch | sorry |
| 23:07.02 | nicoli_s | its cool, she deserves it |
| 23:07.35 | MoonWitch | ouch lol |
| 23:07.41 | Adys | nicoli_s |
| 23:07.42 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/225099/ |
| 23:07.46 | Adys | what does that look like to you? |
| 23:08.00 | Adys | i mean, what's with all the string manipulation? |
| 23:08.05 | NightHawkTheSane | a jackal. |
| 23:08.45 | nicoli_s | dunno adys, im not too experienced with RE'ing flash |
| 23:09.00 | Adys | don't look too much into it |
| 23:09.01 | Adys | but |
| 23:09.19 | Adys | if (_loc5.substr(0, 1) == "p") { var _loc8 = _loc5.substr(1, 1); |
| 23:09.28 | Adys | why would someone ever do that? |
| 23:09.57 | Adys | check if an object starts with _, or p, or pr |
| 23:10.06 | Adys | is there some weird convention in as? |
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| 23:14.59 | Kraps | awesome? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248106927 |
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| 23:19.55 | A-KO | damn |
| 23:19.59 | A-KO | looks like it's time to uninstall the beta |
| 23:20.00 | A-KO | eh? |
| 23:20.02 | A-KO | they're doing maintenance |
| 23:21.39 | Yssaril | A-KO: backup your folder before hand (maintenace =/= patch (though it is likely i think)) |
| 23:22.46 | Sesshu | hmm.. why it has to be reinstalled if they only update the launcher? |
| 23:23.39 | A-KO | Sesshu: they told everyone to completely remove it, and re-download from the battle.net site |
| 23:23.49 | Sesshu | yup |
| 23:23.58 | A-KO | Yssaril: pretty sure this is the patch for this, since they said it's coming this week |
| 23:24.09 | A-KO | and they do maintenance on beta it's usually for a patch |
| 23:24.15 | Yssaril | Sesshu: cause its not just the launcher since it also has to be able to stream new content into wow while it is running (and maybe they changed how they allocate mpq files) |
| 23:24.39 | Sesshu | hmm |
| 23:24.40 | Yssaril | A-KO: i know still prudent to be safe rather than sorry :P |
| 23:25.39 | Sesshu | sounds plausible |
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| 23:26.03 | Cide | hi |
| 23:26.09 | Sesshu | hi |
| 23:26.41 | WobWork | hm, RIP google wave |
| 23:27.47 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed :( |
| 23:31.13 | Dagmar | It wasn't all that useful |
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| 23:34.06 | NightHawkTheSane | I used it a fair bit. |
| 23:34.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, I can probably replace it with something else, but it was nice. |
| 23:36.55 | eidolarr | I tried like 3 tmies and couldn't find a compelling usage over, say, AIM or IRC |
| 23:38.41 | Adys | because it's not meant to replace either. |
| 23:38.59 | Adys | nor is it meant to replace email as some web2.0 idiots keep implying |
| 23:39.21 | eidolarr | right well whatever it's meant to do i couldn't find it |
| 23:39.28 | NightHawkTheSane | it could've eventually replaced email, in the future, but yeah. |
| 23:39.36 | Adys | ish NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:39.49 | Adys | email is the phone of the web |
| 23:40.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: depends on how the spec developed, I think. It's hard to say because we only had google's initial implementation to go on. |
| 23:40.03 | Adys | runs on retardedly rough platforms and protocol |
| 23:40.06 | Arrowmaster | i heard it worked amazingly well for people trying to play D&D over the internet |
| 23:40.07 | Adys | but everyone has one |
| 23:40.08 | Adys | so meh |
| 23:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: thats part of what i used it for. |
| 23:40.32 | Adys | wave is amazing for instant collaboration |
| 23:40.44 | Arrowmaster | yeah that 'collaboration' part is key |
| 23:40.49 | Adys | keeping stuff up to date, so on |
| 23:40.51 | eidolarr | we did fine with git and chatrooms |
| 23:41.04 | Adys | wave is a LOT better for that |
| 23:41.06 | Arrowmaster | email, im, and irc have nothing to do with collaboration |
| 23:41.31 | Adys | i worked on design docs on wave |
| 23:41.35 | eidolarr | I read the lofty philosophical pitch, I just never saw any actual benefits in action |
| 23:42.01 | NightHawkTheSane | git and chatrooms work if everyone involved can use those |
| 23:42.10 | Adys | every time it saved me many hours of passing stuff around |
| 23:42.10 | Adys | discussing it |
| 23:42.11 | Adys | you could just add notes inline and what other stuff |
| 23:42.12 | NightHawkTheSane | wave was quite easy to just jump into |
| 23:43.00 | Adys | i understand discontinuing wave |
| 23:43.12 | Arrowmaster | well they didnt really say discontinuing it |
| 23:43.15 | Adys | but honestly, if they made it a lot more open to non-wavers, it'd be much more fantastic |
| 23:43.31 | eidolarr | I thought it opened up to the public awhile ago |
| 23:43.35 | Adys | it did |
| 23:43.40 | Adys | but you cant just link a wave for example |
| 23:43.43 | Adys | you need to register |
| 23:43.44 | eidolarr | ah |
| 23:43.56 | Adys | it's annoying |
| 23:44.08 | Adys | Arrowmaster: it's pretty much what they meant |
| 23:44.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: they said they'll maintain the server's th rough thend of the year "at least". There's a good chance they'll take them down not long after that. |
| 23:44.32 | Adys | fact is, wave is probably sinking a lot of money in server maintenance and so on |
| 23:44.57 | Adys | maybe if they released it a year later, it would have had better adoption |
| 23:45.08 | eidolarr | why? |
| 23:45.16 | Adys | because first time's the charm |
| 23:45.25 | eidolarr | I think like they said, the problem was mostly their marketing |
| 23:45.32 | Adys | - Google releases brand new product |
| 23:45.34 | Adys | - Users try it out |
| 23:45.40 | Adys | - It's full of bugs |
| 23:45.47 | Adys | - Google fixes them over the year |
| 23:45.56 | eidolarr | people who would have had a great time with it had no idea how to use it, or what its purpose is |
| 23:45.58 | Adys | - Users don't want to try again "Last time I tried it it was bad!" |
| 23:46.11 | eidolarr | I never heard anyone say that |
| 23:46.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I think the fact that they invites were so staggered hurt, a little. |
| 23:46.24 | Maldivia | just be glad they dont make the software that controls cars or planes or like :P |
| 23:46.26 | eidolarr | what I heard was "yeah I played with it for a few minutes when I got an invite and haven't logged in again" |
| 23:46.28 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane, staggered? |
| 23:46.46 | Adys | Maldivia, hey, it's a beta, stop complaining and get on that plane. |
| 23:46.52 | eidolarr | "it seemed cool but I didn't know what it was for" |
| 23:47.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: where they'd selectively send out invites, and each invited person had a very limited set of invites to give out, etc. |
| 23:47.20 | Maldivia | Adys: lets just hope a software crash doens't leed to a hardware crash then |
| 23:47.27 | Adys | that was true for like 2 weeks |
| 23:47.28 | Adys | then everyone had too many invites |
| 23:47.28 | NightHawkTheSane | so you had situations where someone had access to wave, but none of their friends/colleagues did, so it was of no real use to them |
| 23:47.31 | Arrowmaster | Maldivia: im more glad that the software that controls cars and planes isnt written in javascript like 99% of googles projects |
| 23:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: no, longer than two weeks. |
| 23:47.44 | Adys | Maybe, but i doubt that's the issue |
| 23:47.45 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: why ? |
| 23:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | its not THE issue, but one of several |
| 23:48.04 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: the language it's written in is more or less irrelevant |
| 23:48.22 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you here? |
| 23:48.52 | eidolarr | not true, I wouldn't ride no intercal jet plane |
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| 23:49.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: eh, only the UI to a lot of google's stuff is written in JS. the back end parts certainly aren't |
| 23:49.11 | Adys | compiled to js* |
| 23:49.13 | Adys | written in jav |
| 23:49.15 | Adys | java* |
| 23:49.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: true enough. |
| 23:49.27 | Adys | I really hope google learned several lessons with wave |
| 23:49.40 | Xyphoid | gmail is written in js on the backend isn't it? |
| 23:49.46 | Adys | what no |
| 23:49.47 | Adys | wtf |
| 23:49.50 | NightHawkTheSane | no. |
| 23:50.07 | Maldivia | Adys: learned to /wave at it ? :) |
| 23:50.10 | Arrowmaster | the ui is such a huge part of most google projects though |
| 23:50.17 | Adys | gmail is python, c++ and java mixup |
| 23:50.17 | Adys | mostly c++/java |
| 23:50.18 | Adys | why the fuck would you run js on servers |
| 23:50.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: sure, but for browser-based UIs, its still one of the best things to use |
| 23:50.41 | eidolarr | sure it's a huge part but it's also not as obviously stupid to write a UI in javascript |
| 23:50.51 | Arrowmaster | best? its the only thing afaik |
| 23:51.02 | Xyphoid | digs, I thought I read an article about that |
| 23:51.03 | NightHawkTheSane | well, you could use a java applet, or flash, or some dumb shit :P |
| 23:51.07 | Maldivia | javascript can be just as fast as any othr language |
| 23:51.20 | eidolarr | thank god it's not in flash |
| 23:51.37 | Adys | Maldivia: don't release TOO early; when dealing with social, make it available to everyone; less is more; nobody wants to watch a 1 hour tutorial; |
| 23:51.43 | eidolarr | flash is the only thing that has crashed my phone and it has done it three times |
| 23:51.44 | Adys | google hates flash |
| 23:52.05 | eidolarr | they let adobe run an anti apple pro flash popup ad |
| 23:52.06 | NightHawkTheSane | google hates flash, except when it allows them a leg up over apple :P |
| 23:52.10 | Maldivia | Adys: yeah wave was too early |
| 23:52.47 | eidolarr | The nice thing about google is that they're willing to learn from all their experiments and failures though, I'm sure that wherever the Wave features get incorporated it will be much more smooth |
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| 23:53.07 | Adys | a LOT of wave features have made it to gmail and google docs already |
| 23:53.12 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: i think they have to keep a 'if you pay us we will run it' policy as far as legitimate ads are concerned |
| 23:53.15 | NightHawkTheSane | probably. and the protocol is open, so maybe the OSS community will pick it up and improve it |
| 23:53.16 | Adys | drag and drop, live comms |
| 23:53.44 | Adys | Maldivia: Releasing it later would have had two benefits, imo |
| 23:54.32 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 23:54.33 | Adys | first one would have been releasing a less confusing product, more userfriendly and "ready to use" |
| 23:54.49 | eidolarr | alternatively |
| 23:54.59 | eidolarr | if it has a steep learning curve, make the benefits immediately obvious and tempting |
| 23:55.02 | Adys | second one, as i said i think they're pulling the plug due to costs. releasing it later would have made the benefit outweigh the cost faster |
| 23:55.03 | Adys | hence no need to pull the plug |
| 23:55.30 | Adys | wave doesn't have a steep learning curve |
| 23:55.33 | Adys | it just looks scary |
| 23:55.35 | eidolarr | I don't think it was the 1 hour tutorial or the ambiguous use cases that killed it, I think it was both |
| 23:55.38 | Adys | because of its ui |
| 23:55.45 | eidolarr | well, fine |
| 23:55.56 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: if they started getting picky about not running ads they didnt like it would be more against them for anybody trying to claim monopoly or unfair business practices |
| 23:56.17 | eidolarr | my point is that if people have to make a time investment to learn what's up only works if people know they'll come out ahead |
| 23:56.34 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: conflict of interest. Most companies that sell adds in their exiting content have the ad departments pretty much autonomous for reasons like Arrowmaster said. |
| 23:56.35 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: The adobe one was actually not a text ad, it was a popup about freedom on the internet or something |
| 23:57.14 | Arrowmaster | well google doesnt like apple either |
| 23:57.26 | eidolarr | they used to |
| 23:57.29 | eidolarr | paradoxically |
| 23:57.32 | Arrowmaster | no they didnt |
| 23:57.56 | eidolarr | I read an article about how they were more or less buddies until Apple decided to shut them out of the iphone |
| 23:58.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i think you're both assuming that both apple and google are singular entities that have only one opinion :P |
