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| 00:03.18 | Corrodias | neat |
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| 00:05.44 | ScytheBlade1 | so the hotel I'm staying at screwed up twice... billed my card as oposed to the company card |
| 00:05.50 | ScytheBlade1 | as a result? free room service! |
| 00:07.41 | Cide- | nice |
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| 00:08.33 | Lunessa | SBO: Free or "Ooops, we're going to bill you for it later?" |
| 00:14.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: what's to be shocked about? |
| 00:14.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: that looks like the reaosnably standard INTP graph :P |
| 00:14.18 | Arrowmaster | that i could get all the way up to 95% |
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| 00:15.06 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: You're not locked in here with us... we're locked in here with YOU! |
| 00:17.53 | NightHawkTheSane | and you're all locked in the asylum. |
| 00:22.47 | Lunessa | There's a reason my LJ friends pages is called "Other Inmates in the Asylum" |
| 00:22.54 | Lunessa | goes to food. |
| 00:24.03 | NightHawkTheSane | goes home |
| 00:28.15 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: saying it's a 'standard INTP graph' is a bit tautological, isn't it? |
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| 00:34.02 | warz | hi all. if im wanting to do something in my addon similar to what i'd imagine DBM does for boss ability data, what techniques or functions are used to achieve this? |
| 00:34.11 | warz | is it using some sort of flat file database for the data? |
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| 00:36.36 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:37.22 | warz | im just trying to figure out what functions, or anything, to read on that discusses that |
| 00:37.58 | Arrowmaster | !api COMBAT_LOG |
| 00:37.58 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'COMBAT_LOG': COMBAT_LOG_EVENT, COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 00:38.07 | Arrowmaster | !api COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 00:38.07 | lua_bot | COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED: Fires when a combat log event is received (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED) |
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| 00:41.16 | warz | ok, that does give me more to go on, but what do you think those addons do when it says it loaded the dungeon specific files? it seems to only load them when you enter the dungeon. |
| 00:41.38 | warz | and im guessing the files it loads are just the logic that watches the combat log for those specific events. |
| 00:43.24 | warz | yea, i see the data for dues vox encounters' dungeon files |
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| 00:46.28 | Dagmar | warz: afaik you'd be correct about when it loads what |
| 00:47.34 | warz | Is the newer World of Warcraft Programming book any good? |
| 00:52.59 | pompy1 | peace warz lol |
| 00:53.50 | alestane | It's more up to date with changes from WotLK, warz. |
| 00:54.08 | alestane | And jnwhiteh revised his approach to teaching Lua in part 1 IIRC. |
| 00:54.27 | alestane | I think it's handy, but I also wrote a couple of chapters. |
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| 01:01.23 | KarlKFI|work | My personality is cooler Arrowmaster: http://www.mypersonality.info/karlkfi/ |
| 01:02.23 | KarlKFI|work | apparently i'm less introverted and more musical |
| 01:02.32 | KarlKFI|work | = cooler |
| 01:02.45 | Arrowmaster | but im a better INTP than you in every way |
| 01:03.03 | KarlKFI|work | if by better intp you mean more extreme and outcast, then yes |
| 01:03.37 | KarlKFI|work | except that we are equally as perceptive |
| 01:03.44 | KarlKFI|work | but you knew that |
| 01:03.50 | Arrowmaster | isnt that the point? |
| 01:04.00 | KarlKFI|work | the poitn of what/ |
| 01:04.02 | KarlKFI|work | ? |
| 01:04.13 | Arrowmaster | if everybody was 50% on all 4 then there wouldnt be an INTP |
| 01:04.23 | KarlKFI|work | so? |
| 01:04.32 | Dagmar | INTJ is moar speshul |
| 01:04.34 | KarlKFI|work | that doesn't mean being a higher or lower % is 'winning' |
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| 01:07.04 | KarlKFI|work | being cooler is quantafiable. it's how close you are to entj :P |
| 01:08.09 | Lunessa | cool is a 3 pack a day habit, bunny slippers, a martini for breakfast while sitting on your deck in a kiddie pool with bikini babes listening to ICP on the boombox. Bitches. |
| 01:08.30 | Thunder_Child | ~epic fail Lunessa |
| 01:08.31 | purl | Lunessa, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you Lunessa, you are that epic failure. |
| 01:08.40 | KarlKFI|work | me and my fiance are nt's if we have any sf kids we're fucked. |
| 01:08.44 | Lunessa | EPIC WIN |
| 01:09.15 | KarlKFI|work | may jsut give them up for adoption |
| 01:09.19 | Dagmar | KarlKFI: Oh come now. I'm sure you'll be able to beat it out of them. |
| 01:10.10 | KarlKFI|work | drown it out of them? |
| 01:10.36 | Dagmar | That would require more explaining |
| 01:10.46 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI|work: is she ENTJ? |
| 01:11.12 | KarlKFI|work | ;) |
| 01:11.31 | Arrowmaster | is that a yes? |
| 01:11.39 | alestane | That's a ;) |
| 01:11.43 | KarlKFI|work | is that a rhetorical question? |
| 01:11.43 | Dagmar | We need radial menus on unit frames |
| 01:11.53 | Lunessa | That assumes of course that Jungian personality traits are purely a matter of genetics. :P |
| 01:11.58 | alestane | Explain, Dagmar. |
| 01:12.07 | Arrowmaster | KarlKFI|work: youll be fine |
| 01:12.12 | KarlKFI|work | you fell for it alestane |
| 01:12.18 | KarlKFI|work | run away |
| 01:12.39 | alestane | Eep! |
| 01:12.59 | Dagmar | alestane: Hunter on Deathbringer Saurfang last night (me). I scribbled up a quick Distracting Shot macro to keep from having a repeat of the last time (Distracting Shot on boss == ROFLLOL). |
| 01:13.22 | Dagmar | However, it would have been a bit easier if I could right click on tinyframe and swipe the mouse towards a particular gambit |
| 01:13.36 | KarlKFI|work | next he'll want gestures |
| 01:13.48 | Dagmar | "a bit" being an understatement. That fight is hell for hunters |
| 01:13.49 | KarlKFI|work | and a touch interface for ipad play |
| 01:14.45 | alestane | That should be doable with some judicious application of secure handlers, or at least close. No actual gesture or direction of movement handling (or very limited), but what you want should be pretty much attainable. |
| 01:14.46 | Dagmar | Run in drop trap, bounce out, acquire target, pray you don't tab-target the boss in all the soup, distract the one running away from you, concussive shot, dps moar, run back in drop new trap bounce out, over and over |
| 01:15.48 | Wobin | Dagmar: yeah, I'm glad all I do is mindflay them fade and repeat =) |
| 01:16.22 | Dagmar | Festergut and Rotface together are still easier than that damn orc |
| 01:16.33 | Wobin | for hunters? |
| 01:17.36 | Dagmar | 'w' is literally my least-used key in any boss fight. Just taking any steps closer in makes my hair stand on end |
| 01:17.57 | airtonix | keyboard turner! |
| 01:18.14 | Dagmar | The accidental Distracting Shot on the boss was funny as hell tho. Thank god for the G15 |
| 01:18.33 | Dagmar | airtonix: You have 'w' bound to somethingt that turns you? |
| 01:18.40 | airtonix | no |
| 01:18.54 | airtonix | but im pretty sure im not as afraid of using the forward button as you |
| 01:19.11 | Wobin | he's a hunter |
| 01:19.13 | airtonix | since im able to change direction with the mouse |
| 01:19.19 | Wobin | there is no situation in moving forward |
| 01:19.19 | Dagmar | You can't die (or rather, it's much less likely) if you don't get pounded inna face |
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| 01:19.25 | Wobin | where a reverse disengage can't do better |
| 01:19.37 | Dagmar | ...so I'm pretty much always 34 yards and 35 inches away from the boss |
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| 01:19.58 | airtonix | Dagmar, vis this : |
| 01:20.07 | airtonix | left click somewhere to the right of you |
| 01:20.09 | airtonix | push w |
| 01:20.11 | airtonix | ??? |
| 01:20.13 | airtonix | profit |
| 01:20.31 | Dagmar | WHy would I want to do that? |
| 01:20.41 | Dagmar | I either strafe or I'm generally standing still |
| 01:20.46 | airtonix | so you're not running at the boss ? |
| 01:21.02 | airtonix | learn to let go of that fear of pressing W |
| 01:21.06 | Dagmar | Yeah, _straight_ at the boss pretty much to drop that lag trap |
| 01:21.21 | airtonix | lag you say ? |
| 01:21.26 | Dagmar | No time to check OMen to make sure I'm not riding 130% threat |
| 01:21.27 | airtonix | maybe you need a better video card |
| 01:21.37 | Dagmar | Yeah the freezing trap used to lag everyone |
| 01:21.54 | Dagmar | I have a quite capable video card thankyewverymuch |
| 01:22.02 | airtonix | then why so laggy |
| 01:22.08 | Dagmar | I just call it a lag trap |
| 01:22.21 | Dagmar | Got used to calling it that before they toned it down |
| 01:22.36 | airtonix | you do it to be cute ? |
| 01:22.57 | Dagmar | No I say it because half the time I can't remember (or be bothered to care) the thing's name |
| 01:23.01 | airtonix | lagtwap |
| 01:23.11 | Dagmar | Half the time I wind up calling it the ice block trap |
| 01:23.31 | airtonix | so getting back to being afraid of the W key |
| 01:23.40 | Dagmar | W gets you killed. :() |
| 01:23.43 | Dagmar | er :) |
| 01:23.45 | airtonix | when did this irrational fear begin ?> |
| 01:24.20 | airtonix | holds up a picture of George W Bush |
| 01:24.39 | Dagmar | I'd say probably the first time I went into heroic arboretum and some big-haired belf *beat me down like a bitch* for getting too close while I was riding 125% threat |
| 01:25.13 | Dagmar | NOt a single crit, just five really massive blows, one after the other... My dwarfs hands were stuck in the air ineffectively trying to block |
| 01:25.27 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 01:25.46 | Dagmar | There are some times when the animation really makes fights look brutal as hell |
| 01:27.35 | Dagmar | Anyway, what's wrong with gestures? Swiping the mouse is hella fast from a radial menu |
| 01:27.44 | airtonix | o.O |
| 01:28.00 | airtonix | STOP TRYING TO BE CUTE DAMMIT |
| 01:28.13 | airtonix | sobs |
| 01:28.14 | Dagmar | Who's being cute |
| 01:28.46 | alestane | True gesture support requires update-loop monitoring, which we had to cut to prevent exploits. |
| 01:28.55 | Dagmar | WEll, there's that yeah |
| 01:29.32 | alestane | I think you could determine the angle between where the mouse was pressed and where it was released, as long as the frame wasn't registered for drag. |
| 01:30.12 | Dagmar | Yeah but there's the issue of instantating a new button area while in combat, which I'm not sure is possible either |
| 01:30.37 | airtonix | have you worked out how to recreate an image of someones faced based on what keys are pressed when they faceroll ? |
| 01:30.54 | airtonix | because i mean... gestures |
| 01:30.55 | Dagmar | DUnno. I don't play my DK that much |
| 01:31.08 | alestane | Depends how dynamic you want it to be. |
| 01:31.18 | airtonix | "so where was my heals" |
| 01:31.31 | airtonix | "sorry i didn't draw the gesture properly" |
| 01:31.47 | Dagmar | I suspect healers are just best suited to Grid-style click combos |
| 01:32.08 | Dagmar | I'm not talking about clicking just anywhere and drawing an ampersand or something |
| 01:32.12 | Jerub | gestures may be quick, but they're not precise. |
| 01:32.16 | Dagmar | THat would be nigh-useless in combat |
| 01:32.29 | airtonix | i suspect anyone who isn't limited to bouncing at the mailbox would use anything other than gestures |
| 01:32.32 | Dagmar | Swiping in one of eight given directions tho, that could have uses |
| 01:32.38 | Jerub | nor are they easy to time |
| 01:33.09 | airtonix | "hey fred!' |
| 01:33.19 | airtonix | "can't talk, too buys bouncing on the mailbox" |
| 01:33.48 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Opie with the "Open at mouse" feature could give you the radial menu you crave. Though it wouldn't be context sensitive. |
| 01:33.50 | Dagmar | Imagine if you were a DK and could Death Grip by clicking a target's tinyframe and dragging down an inch before relesing the button |
| 01:33.50 | airtonix | Dagmar, are you guilty of naked dorf dancing ? |
| 01:34.12 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah I've used Opie before. Kinda a bummer that can't be tied to a little mob frame |
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| 01:34.36 | Lunessa | Dagmar: That would be... problematic in combat. |
| 01:34.43 | Dagmar | How so? |
| 01:34.55 | Lunessa | can't change the menu once combat lockdown begins. |
| 01:35.02 | Dagmar | It would beat the pants off tab targeting to switch targets for speed |
| 01:35.03 | Dagmar | Yeah I know |
| 01:35.08 | Lunessa | So you can't change the actions of the menu |
| 01:35.37 | Lunessa | However, you could load the rings up with [help] [harm] macros. |
| 01:36.25 | Dagmar | I may poke at Opie a bit later tonight and see how much of this might be possible that I'm just assuming isn't |
| 01:37.05 | Dagmar | That red reticule gets lost too easily in combat soup, particularly when there's DK's around |
| 01:37.44 | Dagmar | I've been using TidyFrames for about a month now to be able to see what's going on when things get hairy, beyond just knowing that it's time to bring out the AoE or die trying |
| 01:38.05 | Lunessa | Remember, you want the "open at mouse" and maybe a few other option on, but foxlit made OPie hella configureable. |
| 01:38.32 | Dagmar | Actually I'll probably try to just tie it to TidyFrame itself |
| 01:39.11 | Dagmar | Merely opening a radial menu at the mouse doesn't particularly thrill me |
| 01:39.28 | Dagmar | I'd want it to combine target selection and gambit selection to the same operation |
| 01:41.21 | Dagmar | It just takes to long to try and peer through the soup to be sure you've got say, the blood beast that's moving *away* from you before throwig out a 6-second taunt |
| 01:41.39 | Dagmar | Get the wrong one and you're just handing over some blood power |
| 01:41.55 | Dagmar | Irritatingly, Deterrence doesn't do a damn thing there |
| 01:42.26 | Lunessa | I'm usually melee on that fight, so for me it's "don't touch the damned beasts" |
| 01:43.51 | Dagmar | It would be a bit easier if I could work from the center, but since that's where the healer generally stands, my hippie tree of a guild leader isn't real fond of it. ;) |
| 01:45.25 | Dagmar | I also got comeuppance on that leather belt that drops in there last night. I was the only hunter, and I already had it on... SOmeone remembered what I used to say about hunters who wear leather ("We call those people 'perverts'"). |
| 01:46.11 | Dagmar | THe stats on it are sooo nice tho |
| 01:47.29 | Lunessa | hahaha |
| 01:47.42 | Lunessa | I'm dying for a trinket or token drop. |
| 01:48.06 | Dagmar | Buy em |
| 01:48.27 | Dagmar | There's hardly any frakin' trinket-y drops |
| 01:48.42 | Dagmar | Underitemized doesn't begin to cover it |
| 01:48.43 | Lunessa | I already have the emblem ones. |
| 01:48.55 | Dagmar | lol Hogger is an instance boss now? Great |
| 01:49.04 | Wobin | yeah, welcome to stockades =P |
| 01:49.06 | Lunessa | Hogger is a Terror. |
| 01:49.35 | Lunessa | He feels no pity, no remorse, and he absolutely will not stop until you are dead. |
| 01:50.53 | Dagmar | We'll see about that |
| 01:51.01 | Dagmar | It's been awhile since I've let that guy pants me |
| 01:51.19 | Jerub | i hate saurfang |
| 01:51.28 | Jerub | is the only boss that makes me change my frigging rotation |
| 01:51.38 | Dagmar | Jerub: Hunter? |
| 01:52.18 | Dagmar | Yeah the whole having to pull several actions out of mothballs at once makes it extra fun |
| 01:53.04 | Dagmar | At least last night the guild leader finally remembered that I manage staying out of trouble fine insteafd of trying to remind me where to stand and so on |
| 01:53.25 | Jerub | Dagmar: bear |
| 01:53.38 | Dagmar | Jerub: Ah yes.... Swipe == bad heheh |
| 01:53.43 | Jerub | nah, it's maul |
| 01:53.48 | Jerub | it's glyphed to hit 2 targets |
| 01:53.51 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 01:54.08 | Dagmar | I suspect his memory might have something to do with the last time he hollered at me about not collapsing in |
| 01:54.09 | Jerub | and it's also macroed to be put on next swing on every gcd attack |
| 01:54.16 | Dagmar | I was like "OKay, I'll melee" |
| 01:54.31 | Dagmar | RAPTORSTRIKE! |
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| 01:55.15 | Dagmar | We've got three melee abilities, pretty much all of which suck if you're toting a polearm |
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| 01:55.20 | Dagmar | THey are teh slow |
| 01:56.07 | Jerub | this weeks weekly is malygos |
| 01:56.08 | Dagmar | That 30% ICC buff tho... I got a killing blow with a 25864 point Kill Shot. :) |
| 01:56.11 | Jerub | *shudder* |
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| 01:56.20 | Dagmar | I can't wait to get my 'lock in there |
| 01:56.49 | Dagmar | Soul Fire is like Kill Shot but you can just spam your face off with it |
| 01:58.41 | Dagmar | BIg beefy fireballs are good stuff |
| 01:59.20 | Dagmar | Definitely makes raiding as a lock more fun |
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| 02:09.02 | Lunessa | I don't play my alts often enough to really perform well at raid-level. |
| 02:10.25 | Lunessa | I'm barely adequate at anything I don't play all the time. |
| 02:10.46 | Lunessa | Though, tanking as a bear druid is pretty easy in ICC. |
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| 02:14.03 | Wobin | swipeswipeswipeswipeswipeswipeswipeswipeswipeswipeswipe |
| 02:19.19 | |Jelly| | Are people on EU servers generally assholes? |
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| 02:19.49 | |Jelly| | Cause I swear every person from the EU beta server that's actually spoken, has been a raging cockbag. |
| 02:21.47 | Nechckn | Love that description, |Jelly|!! |
| 02:22.33 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 02:22.51 | Nechckn | is on US, though. So, no help with the query. |
| 02:23.10 | |Jelly| | Well, in beta the servers get mixed up for LFD. |
| 02:23.37 | Nechckn | Ah,good point. |
| 02:25.43 | Nechckn | I tend to run voiceless unless absolutely necessary. If I wanted some no-nothing punk to scream at me, I would rather it be within an arm's reach |
| 02:26.16 | Xyphoid | woah, people use the ingame voice chat? |
| 02:26.45 | |Jelly| | I'm talking about in chat. |
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| 02:27.58 | |Jelly| | For instance, the healer went offline. The tank is getting ready to pull and is freaking the fuck out asking if we're ready and no one's responding so he's flipping shit over that and it's just ... bleh |
| 02:28.18 | |Jelly| | I've got like 600k left of 81 and I'm really thinking it's time to go back to questing. lol |
| 02:29.18 | |Jelly| | Oh and now, he's crying about how he didn't notice they were offline because of the unit frames. *facepalms* |
| 02:29.33 | |Jelly| | Anywho ... how's everyone doing? :P |
| 02:33.17 | Mr_Rabies | I'm looking for a coordinate addon that works fine with the map in non-fullscreen mode, does anyone have any suggestions |
| 02:33.32 | Mr_Rabies | LDB support would be nice too/as an alternative |
| 02:35.33 | Lunessa | Is cross-server party chat still borked? I haven't done an instance in a bit. |
| 02:36.46 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 02:37.08 | Mr_Rabies | worked ok earlier for me |
| 02:37.18 | Mr_Rabies | i... think |
| 02:37.37 | Lunessa | Mr_Rabies: I meant beta - should have specified. |
| 02:37.42 | Mr_Rabies | oh ok |
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| 02:40.04 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
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| 02:45.08 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: tomtom or mapster |
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| 02:54.28 | Nechckn | Anyone recall the television show from the 70s/80s, about the same time as CHiPs, about the fire department, like "Rescue <Something or other>"? |
| 02:55.07 | Thunder_Child | most of us are not that old |
| 02:55.10 | Nechckn | They were also supposed to be in California, iirc. Basically the two paramedics were the stars, then the rest were shown every other episode responding to "big" fires and such. |
| 02:55.35 | Nechckn | Thunder_Child I know there are a few of us elderly types sneaking about... =) |
| 02:55.46 | Lunessa | Nechckn: I don't remember the name, but I do recall the show |
| 02:56.32 | Mr_Rabies | Arrowmaster: TomTom was exactly what i was looking for |
| 02:56.44 | Mr_Rabies | thanks :D |
| 02:56.48 | Mr_Rabies | i used to use it but totally forgot |
| 03:08.40 | warz | well, i bought the World of Warcraft Programming book. |
| 03:08.55 | warz | should be helpful. |
| 03:09.12 | |Jelly| | It /will/ be :) |
| 03:09.17 | |Jelly| | The new might is sexy. |
| 03:12.48 | frontendloader | Nechckn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_911 |
| 03:16.19 | Nechckn | Found it... "Emergency" was the name. Appreciate the looking 'raound, though, frontendloader |
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| 03:21.42 | Nechckn | Reason for the confusion was that when the call the hospital on the telephone/radio thing the say "Rampart this is Rescue 51". |
| 03:21.55 | Nechckn | s/when the/when they/ |
| 03:22.21 | Nechckn | gah.. missed another one... nvm me! |
| 03:24.42 | frontendloader | Urgent (urgent), Emergency. |
| 03:27.10 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu |
| 03:27.13 | Wobin | holy crap >< |
| 03:29.28 | Xyphoid | i like the consumption paragraph |
| 03:30.46 | Wobin | "The larvae have powerful mouthhooks which can lacerate stomach linings or intestinal walls as the maggots attempt to bore through internal organs" |
| 03:31.07 | Wobin | comes from http://www.cracked.com/article_14979_6-most-terrifying-foods-in-world.html |
| 03:31.18 | Wobin | which has a whole list of horrifying comestibles |
| 03:32.20 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVD_Lvv4UOI |
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| 03:56.16 | Cide- | Wobin, funny how they didn't do their research |
| 04:01.11 | Adys | my god |
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| 04:01.19 | Adys | QC has more subscribers than xkcd on google reader |
| 04:03.56 | Cide- | yes but nobody uses google reader |
| 04:05.16 | Adys | what do you use? |
| 04:05.19 | Adys | a desktop app? |
| 04:05.58 | Cide- | a web browser called chrome for browsing to an url called xkcd.com |
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| 04:09.14 | Wobin | Cide-: whatcha mean? |
| 04:09.30 | Wobin | pft google reader is decent enough |
| 04:09.38 | Wobin | welcome to RSS, WAVE OF THE FUTURE |
| 04:09.50 | Kraps | lulz custom map 3v5 medium AI we got our asses handed to us |
| 04:10.39 | Kraps | 1 guy ragequit when he was destroyed |
| 04:12.39 | Wobin | http://www.afact.org.au/pdf/internet/AFACT%20COMIC.pdf |
| 04:12.41 | Wobin | ... |
| 04:13.56 | roboe | xD |
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| 04:14.15 | roboe | what the flip is this |
| 04:17.04 | roboe | I like the name though, too many poor, innocent copyrights are being stolen these days :( |
| 04:18.13 | Wobin | afact is the australian RIAA |
| 04:18.44 | roboe | yeah, I ended up googling the name |
| 04:18.48 | Wobin | TERRORBYTE CITY |
| 04:19.17 | Cide- | Wobin, are you sure that's a fact? |
| 04:19.20 | roboe | I can't help feeling they need some help on that name, but maybe that's just my inner spelling nazi |
| 04:19.38 | Wobin | AFUCT |
| 04:19.42 | Wobin | amirite? |
| 04:19.46 | roboe | AFACV |
| 04:20.02 | roboe | but then again, that doesn't roll nice and gently off the tongue |
| 04:20.03 | Wobin | Theft vs Violation? |
| 04:20.06 | roboe | yeah |
| 04:20.13 | Wobin | well that's not a -spelling- error, per se |
| 04:20.15 | roboe | I'm not stealing their copyright, I'm violating it |
| 04:20.25 | Wobin | a semantic one, perhaps |
| 04:20.38 | roboe | eh, they're Australian, what do I care |
| 04:20.45 | Wobin | anti semantic nazi =P |
| 04:20.49 | roboe | We have the infamous Anti Piracy Group |
| 04:21.10 | roboe | complete with screendumps and everything |
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| 04:26.22 | Arrowmaster | Adys: xkcd has both an rss and an atom feed, did you add the values for both on google reader? |
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| 04:32.35 | awweaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.41 | awweaver | oops... |
| 04:32.50 | awweaver | hmm |
| 04:33.09 | awweaver | Hope no one saw that |
| 04:33.16 | roboe | :| |
| 04:34.07 | awweaver | hey i entered into the author beta on WOWI and was wondering when the next batch was going to go through |
| 04:36.09 | awweaver | :( didnt win the one on allakazam... |
| 04:38.12 | Motig | no one knowns awweaver |
| 04:38.17 | Motig | *knows |
| 04:38.18 | awweaver | :( |
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| 04:38.25 | awweaver | oh well |
| 04:38.36 | Motig | probably within a month though |
| 04:38.37 | Motig | :p |
| 04:38.43 | Motig | I'd say |
| 04:38.49 | Motig | if they are sending out more keys |
| 04:38.50 | Motig | that is |
| 04:39.07 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: how can they put out such awful and misleading crap like that comic, should be illegal just from how awful it was |
| 04:39.16 | Kraps | protoss have the best construction scheme |
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| 05:17.00 | Lothaer | ~yawn |
| 05:17.01 | purl | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
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| 05:35.21 | Kraps | ~mom |
| 05:35.22 | purl | [mom] either mother(american apparently) or moment, or darnit kraps, you've got me all broken up now, i must call my mom and tell her how much she means to me |
| 05:35.34 | Kraps | lol |
| 05:36.01 | Kraps | ~lol |
| 05:36.02 | purl | somebody said lol was stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 05:36.22 | Kraps | ~twilight |
| 05:36.23 | purl | [twilight] the stupidest most inaccurate book EVER |
| 05:37.10 | Kraps | ~face |
| 05:37.11 | purl | i heard face is your_mom |
| 05:38.06 | Kraps | ~what |
| 05:38.45 | Kraps | ~purl |
| 05:38.46 | purl | somebody said purl was a piece of very bad coding. |
| 05:38.55 | Kraps | ~yes |
| 05:38.56 | purl | yes is probably the opposite of no |
| 05:39.01 | Kraps | ~no |
| 05:39.24 | Kraps | ~fail |
| 05:39.25 | purl | well, fail is YOU FAIL. |
| 05:39.43 | Kraps | ~movie |
| 05:39.44 | purl | i guess movie is http://www.wakeworld.com/VideoGuide/getvideo.asp?ProductID=100128 |
| 05:40.08 | Kraps | ~wtf |
| 05:40.22 | Kraps | ~oh |
| 05:40.23 | purl | rumour has it, oh is the admin of linux.Box.sk |
| 05:40.34 | Kraps | ~linux |
| 05:40.35 | purl | somebody said linux was an operating system that beats the socks off Windows and Mac! Go Linux! |
| 05:40.44 | Kraps | ~windows |
| 05:40.45 | purl | from memory, windows is either a 64bit hack on the 32 bit hack or just a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs, or bloatware, or an operating system |
| 05:41.06 | Kraps | ~mac |
| 05:41.07 | purl | hmm... mac is ... MAC?!???! *chomp* |
| 05:41.41 | Kraps | ~rap |
| 05:41.42 | purl | sittin' out on the street wit my homeys, sippin' on some beer wit cronies... baaaaam! |
| 05:41.51 | Lothaer | ~daif |
| 05:41.57 | Lothaer | ~diaf |
| 05:41.57 | purl | ACTION refuses to die! |
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| 05:42.12 | Kraps | ~lother |
| 05:42.21 | Kraps | ~kraps |
| 05:42.29 | Kraps | ~wowuidev |
| 05:42.30 | purl | well, wowuidev is http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/computer_programming_101.JPG |
| 05:43.40 | Kraps | just like heaven is a great movie |
| 05:44.41 | Lothaer | lol |
| 05:44.55 | Kraps | it is :/ |
| 05:45.21 | Lothaer | just like beauty heaven is in the eye of the beholder |
| 05:45.36 | Kraps | what |
| 05:46.15 | Lothaer | in other words |
| 05:46.24 | Lothaer | everyone has their own vision of heaven |
| 05:46.28 | Lothaer | its not the same for everyone |
| 05:46.34 | Lothaer | same as beauty |
| 05:47.07 | Kraps | i'm talking about a mvie |
| 05:47.13 | Kraps | +o |
| 05:47.16 | Lothaer | what one person might consider beautiful another person might think is ugly |
| 05:51.12 | Kraps | Lothaer: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0425123/ |
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| 05:59.39 | warz | yea this wow programming book is alright. the first 200 pages are general Lua, and the last 500 pages are API reference. lol. |
| 05:59.54 | warz | so about 300 pages of wow related programming. |
| 06:05.55 | Wobin | well the 500 API pages are wow related! |
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| 06:19.46 | Lothaer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs3ROFNxa5M |
| 06:22.02 | Corrodias | this trailer appears to be playing at half speed |
| 06:22.31 | Lothaer | workin fine for me? |
| 06:23.20 | Corrodias | i think they're just doing slow motion and dramatic bullshit |
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| 06:23.50 | Corrodias | at the 2 minute mark i'm thinking it's really silly |
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| 06:24.27 | Corrodias | at just after 3 minutes i'm thinking it's -really- silly |
| 06:24.28 | Lothaer | i dont know why its listed as a trailer cause its not |
| 06:24.40 | Lothaer | it was a pitch made to Warner. Bros |
| 06:24.55 | Corrodias | aaah |
| 06:26.13 | Lothaer | yeah since Warner. Bros now own the rights to Mortal Kombat (having bought out Midway) they seem interested in redoing the movies and this is one guys idea of how we wants to do it, and i must say i like it |
| 06:27.58 | Cide- | grr Adys |
| 06:27.59 | Cide- | ping |
| 06:28.29 | Adys | in a min |
| 06:28.29 | Adys | sec |
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| 06:31.09 | Cide- | nvm |
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| 06:49.41 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5602981/activision-boss-loses-legal-battle-over-sex-discrimination-case |
| 06:52.05 | Trela | Okay, big creepy smiling face. |
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| 06:53.46 | Kraps | yes |
| 06:56.22 | Lothaer | not being big on legal stuff but will this affect the Activison - Blizzard partnership? |
| 06:56.38 | Wobin | no? |
| 06:57.00 | Cide- | yes, blizzard's doomed now |
| 06:57.03 | Shadowed | yes |
| 06:57.10 | Shadowed | WoW will have in-game lawyers now |
| 06:57.14 | Lothaer | lol |
| 06:57.15 | Shadowed | that yell at you automatically whenever you harass NEs |
| 06:57.25 | Wobin | or use the /leer emote |
| 06:57.30 | Lothaer | what about BEs? |
| 06:57.45 | Wobin | they deserve it |
| 06:58.34 | Lothaer | lol |
| 06:58.59 | Lothaer | hmm i wonder how big the beta patch will be tonight? |
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| 07:20.25 | Antiarc | http://www.ecost.com/prod/Monitors+and+Projectors/Monitors/MultiSync+40+LCD+Monitor/49195224.aspx?navid=155441530 |
| 07:20.31 | Antiarc | Hi-larious. |
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| 07:25.13 | Torhal | Antiarc: WTF? Heh |
| 07:27.10 | Zhinjio | whats the right event to use for a player pet appearing or disappearing? PET_BAR_UPDATE? PET_UI_UPDATE? |
| 07:27.16 | Zhinjio | or something else? |
| 07:27.38 | Zhinjio | maybe UNIT_PET? |
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| 07:34.01 | Lothaer | $107??? whats wrong with it??? |
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| 07:36.13 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Look at MSBT - I always get a low pet health warning when I dismount, before the server sends the correct info to my client |
| 07:36.32 | Zhinjio | *cries* |
| 07:36.33 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 07:36.49 | Torhal | :( |
| 07:39.08 | Zhinjio | nothing's ever easy *grin* |
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| 08:03.49 | industrial | I have a question about recruit-a-friend |
| 08:04.05 | industrial | Say A recruits B, can B then recruit C? |
| 08:04.14 | industrial | and level with 3 people/accounts |? |
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| 08:13.30 | tlund | industrial: yes, but you will never get any kind of triple exp. |
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| 08:23.52 | Dashkal | Nifty. Next beta patch they're converting to a streaming style patcher. Nuke your beta install and get a new launcher. |
| 08:24.14 | Dashkal | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26262801168&sid=2000 |
| 08:24.34 | Fisker | sweet |
| 08:24.44 | Fisker | i think i just came Dashkal |
| 08:24.47 | Fisker | is this awesome? |
| 08:25.17 | Fisker | when is the new patch out? |
| 08:26.46 | industrial | tlund: I want the extra exp on each of the three chars we play |
| 08:26.56 | industrial | is that possible? |
| 08:27.01 | Dashkal | Blues were hinting at midweek |
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| 08:29.17 | Dashkal | Odd time for that announcement. Didn't really expect him to be up at this hour. |
| 08:30.05 | Dashkal | Speaking of which |
| 08:35.40 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 08:47.53 | tlund | industrial: yes. |
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| 08:49.37 | augustl | I wonder how the streaming installer thing will work |
| 08:49.46 | augustl | i.e. what will you see when you launch before the game has fully downloaded? |
| 08:50.06 | augustl | will it prioritize downloading of resources for the zone you're in perhaps? |
| 08:50.13 | augustl | I can't imagine you'll be able to visit undownloaded zones :S |
| 08:51.19 | Grum | it'll have to download them first |
| 08:51.31 | Grum | shouldnt really be an issue assuming you have enough bandwidth |
| 08:53.16 | Fisker | it'll work just like the trial version i assume augustl |
| 08:54.13 | industrial | tlund: good :D |
| 08:59.47 | tlund | augustl: the zone downloads when you try to enter it. |
| 09:00.01 | tlund | they have had the streamin alternative available for a long time |
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| 09:23.10 | Arrowmaster | this will be fun, i specifically remember ZorbaTHut saying that somehow questhelper blew up the streaming trial client in the past |
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| 09:24.41 | ZorbaTHut | yeah I would actually get crash-to-desktop with it |
| 09:24.57 | Shadowed | errr |
| 09:25.00 | ZorbaTHut | I tried two or three times and decided it was too hard to debug to bother with |
| 09:25.04 | Shadowed | wtf are you doing that you could crash to desktop... |
| 09:25.12 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, I have no idea, to be honest. |
| 09:25.34 | ZorbaTHut | but it was reliable - run without QH, works fine. run with QH, crash-to-desktop after a few minutes. their streaming client was pretty flaky. |
| 09:25.51 | Shadowed | Unless you were lagging the client to the extent that it couldn't figure out where it was fast enough and it would cause a race condition |
| 09:26.47 | ZorbaTHut | nope, framerate was totally fine. it just melted once in a while. |
| 09:26.57 | ZorbaTHut | I agree with you completely that it shouldn't have happened, note. :) |
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| 09:45.16 | harl | hi |
| 09:45.52 | Fisker | did you ever check the error message? |
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| 13:16.52 | ckramme | What category would you upload an addon, that does various alterations to the default UI (Unitframes, Minimap, Chat), to? |
| 13:19.40 | Thunder_Child | "Graphic UI Mods" would be my guess |
| 13:19.54 | Thunder_Child | or is it not graphic |
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| 13:20.48 | ckramme | No its the default UI with some things done to it. Scaling of frames, various changes to the chat |
| 13:21.09 | Kraps | sweet nibblets http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26262801168/new-cataclysm-launcher-coming-soon/ |
| 13:21.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. It took me 3 days to download and install the beta last time. |
| 13:21.47 | |Jelly| | soon* |
| 13:21.56 | Lopeppeppy | I am not at all pleased to have to do it again. *sigh* |
| 13:22.11 | Thunder_Child | looks like you can play before it's all downloaded however |
| 13:22.30 | Lopeppeppy | Not on my connection I can't. :) |
| 13:22.35 | |Jelly| | Is it going to work like EQ2 does, where you get to wait for shit to download while you move around? lol |
| 13:22.46 | airtonix | begins playing fisker before he downloads |
| 13:23.15 | Thunder_Child | though it looks like patcher > game. since you cant seem to stop the patcher |
| 13:23.33 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Great. |
| 13:23.40 | Thunder_Child | "All World of Warcraft data will continue to download and apply whether you wait in the Launcher or are playing in-game. If you find the play experience undesirable, you may exit the game and allow the Launcher to continue the download." |
| 13:23.56 | Lopeppeppy | yeah, I read that and was also unamused. |
| 13:24.14 | Kraps | what does "You can play, but your game experience will not be ideal. " |
| 13:24.20 | Kraps | even mean |
| 13:24.22 | Thunder_Child | latency |
| 13:24.55 | Kraps | how does content = latency |
| 13:25.17 | Thunder_Child | who said anything about content? |
| 13:25.32 | Kraps | AVAILABLE (YELLOW): Major game content is not completely applied. You can play, but your game experience will not be ideal. |
| 13:25.53 | Thunder_Child | oh, i just assumed it meant missing textures, etc. |
| 13:25.58 | |Jelly| | "lol@u; gg crashing!" |
| 13:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | "not ideal" |
| 13:27.31 | |Jelly| | Although, I am with Peppy in that I'm not really interested in download and installing ... again. :( But alas, testing is testing? |
| 13:27.52 | |Jelly| | And I'm sure it'll be on Friday (my next day off) |
| 13:28.38 | Thunder_Child | bows before the almighty presence of murphy |
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| 13:30.06 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going on vacation for 10 days. By the time I get back I'll have to download, re-install, re-patch... 2 weeks away from the beta, I predict. *grump* |
| 13:30.51 | Thunder_Child | so set up a remote system into your computer and start the patcher/installer while you are gone |
| 13:31.59 | |Jelly| | I predict you need a laptop with an air card! |
| 13:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | TC, you are such a dreamer! |
| 13:34.22 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: eh? hows that |
| 13:34.33 | Thunder_Child | what i said was resonable |
| 13:40.05 | Lopeppeppy | For you, maybe. For me, I don't leave my computers plugged in during thunderstorms, so the point is moot. |
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| 13:42.57 | Kraps | how good is Magic: The Gathering? |
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| 13:44.07 | Kraps | i wanna get it from steam |
| 13:44.24 | Kraps | maybe |
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| 13:45.39 | Thunder_Child | it's a good game, i simply refuse to pay the same money for digital cards than for the real ones |
| 13:45.44 | Thunder_Child | but it's a lot of money Kraps |
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| 13:45.51 | NiLon | http://i.imgur.com/6rIiI.jpg man.. apple really can turn anything into goldmine |
| 13:46.59 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: Duels of the Planeswalkers Complete Pack is on sale for $25 |
| 13:47.44 | sylvanaar | its not bad, kinda overly clicky |
| 13:48.33 | sylvanaar | the cards are hard to read unless they are zoomed and zooming is a tad rough |
| 13:49.01 | Kraps | d/ling the demo now |
| 13:49.12 | sylvanaar | but, mostly its the modal prompts |
| 13:49.36 | sylvanaar | "its not your turn, press ok to continue" |
| 13:49.44 | Kraps | heh |
| 13:50.10 | sylvanaar | not a direct quote, but it conveys my meaning |
| 13:51.18 | Kraps | NiLon: thats pathetic |
| 13:51.25 | sylvanaar | that same click will also skip your attack phase - it caused me to lose a game yesterday |
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| 13:52.42 | sylvanaar | NiLon: i have one made by energizer that i bought at the grocery store - it works pretty good too |
| 13:53.09 | Kraps | sylvanaar: its aaaaaapple! |
| 13:53.17 | sylvanaar | AND charges 4 batteries at a time |
| 13:53.56 | Kraps | yours is not apple, end of discussion |
| 13:54.56 | Grum | NiLon: that has to be faked o.O |
| 13:55.06 | NiLon | Grum it's not actually :P |
| 13:55.15 | Grum | there is no end to the sadness of people |
| 13:55.24 | foxlit | It's just montaged. |
| 13:55.58 | foxlit | With most of the underlined things being forum memes. |
| 13:56.19 | NiLon | http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=978171 |
| 13:56.24 | NiLon | that's the original |
| 13:56.34 | Kraps | http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC500LL/A?fnode=MTY1NDEwMQ&mco=MTg2MzM2NTk |
| 13:57.42 | Grum | 'omg it eats 10 times less power when its not really doing anything!' |
| 13:57.43 | Kraps | YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME "And with a feature that automatically reduces its power intake once your batteries are fully charged, the Apple Battery Charger is one of the most energy-efficient rechargeable battery solutions available. " |
| 13:57.48 | Grum | the innovation would be: 'no power' |
| 13:58.15 | Kraps | WHO COMES UP WITH THESE NEW TECHNOLOGY |
| 13:58.21 | Grum | and its a bloody $29 ... is this a really late 1april? O.o |
| 13:58.27 | Arrowmaster | THE PEOPLE THAT INVENTED THEM 10 YEARS AGO |
| 13:58.44 | Kraps | NOWAI |
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| 13:59.02 | Grum | its just ... insane :D |
| 13:59.11 | Grum | i'm ashamed of humanity :( |
| 13:59.18 | Arrowmaster | or maybe 20 years ago and now the patent is finally expired so apple is reintroducing it as new |
| 13:59.20 | sylvanaar | its called trickle charging |
| 13:59.38 | Arrowmaster | its 20 years on patents right? |
| 14:00.01 | Arrowmaster | anyway im going to bed |
| 14:00.02 | sylvanaar | i like my energizer charger, i use it to power my magic mouse |
| 14:00.12 | Kraps | it comes with 6 batteries though, thats a plus |
| 14:00.31 | sylvanaar | my energizer came with 4 |
| 14:00.33 | Grum | i have to say, its amazing, they actually find *something* to improve then market it as if its the next big new thing |
| 14:00.57 | sylvanaar | im surprised its not called the magic charger |
| 14:01.01 | Grum | tripple the price you'd normally pay for it, putting it in nice white plastic and make it as small as sanely possible... |
| 14:01.16 | Kraps | Grum: the improvement was 6 batteries? |
| 14:01.31 | Grum | nah 90% less idle power consumption o.O |
| 14:01.45 | Grum | seriously, who fucking cares, you are supposed not to leave those things in the outlet anyhow |
| 14:01.48 | Grum | no matter how much it drains >< |
| 14:01.54 | Kraps | "They didn't come charged when i took them out of the box, but that didn't really matter to me. Truthfully they are no different than any other batterie i've used but the packaging is nice. What else would you expect from apple? So thats pretty much it." |
| 14:01.58 | Kraps | COME ON |
| 14:02.41 | Grum | also 10 times better than industry average .... thats not going to be hard o.O |
| 14:03.01 | sylvanaar | i leave my energizers charging in the outlet for weeks, and they are just fine |
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| 14:03.39 | Grum | ofc they are |
| 14:03.58 | Mr_Rabies | <Kraps> "They didn't come charged when i took them out of the box, but that didn't really matter to me. |
| 14:04.19 | Mr_Rabies | they're just regular NiMH then? not hybrids? |
| 14:04.36 | Grum | yeah straight forward NiMH |
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| 14:05.03 | sylvanaar | well it says it will charge your regular NiMH batteries - where does it say what the included batteries are |
| 14:05.25 | Kraps | The Apple Battery Charger kit comes with a sleek, compact charger and six high-performance AA NiMH batteries that are ready to use right out of the box. |
| 14:05.28 | Grum | The Apple Battery Charger kit comes with a sleek, compact charger and six high-performance AA NiMH batteries that are ready to use right out of the box. |
| 14:05.31 | Grum | lal |
| 14:05.35 | Kraps | lel |
| 14:06.23 | Fisker | Grum :( |
| 14:06.24 | Fisker | jerks |
| 14:06.38 | sylvanaar | "It's optimized for Apple-supplied batteries" |
| 14:06.39 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/fvaWT.jpg |
| 14:06.41 | Grum | stop talking Fisker until you are branded iFisker |
| 14:06.44 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/pXuJP.jpg <-cool story bro :( |
| 14:06.45 | Kraps | Mr_Rabies: the other thing is, if he wanted something "nice" he should just buy a pinup, you can get a lot more use out of that |
| 14:07.50 | Kraps | Fisker: so you have a nexus and a probe... |
| 14:07.59 | frontendloader | he's proxying |
| 14:08.03 | frontendloader | its ultra faggoty |
| 14:08.06 | Kraps | oh |
| 14:08.15 | Fisker | l2p frontendloader |
| 14:08.23 | Fisker | piss easy to defend if you're scouting |
| 14:08.26 | Fisker | and/or maphacking |
| 14:08.41 | frontendloader | piss easy to do to get your free win |
| 14:08.47 | Grum | awesome, the only way you figure out what the capacity of the bloody batteries are is by looking at the FAQ .. and then at the question 'are there any other markings on the battery' .. .wtf >< |
| 14:08.48 | Grum | Size AA Ni-MH Min 1900 mAh 1.2v HR6 |
| 14:08.56 | sylvanaar | http://store.apple.com/us/question/answers/product/MC500LL/A?mco=MTUyOTA3ODY&pqid=QKXYPP7CXYDUJ4AY27PKF2KDTCC4T7F7Y |
| 14:09.08 | frontendloader | all you do is roll the dice to see if you get scouted |
| 14:09.19 | Kraps | really, unless the other guy is cheating, anything goes, frontendloader |
| 14:09.59 | Funkeh` | any wowi admins around? |
| 14:10.30 | Grum | frontendloader: you are supposed to check your base for proxy pylons anyhow |
| 14:10.35 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 14:10.53 | Fisker | proxy only works if the player doesn't check for it |
| 14:11.29 | frontendloader | I always check |
| 14:11.46 | frontendloader | I'm saying that hiding cannons/gateways is YOU rolling the dice |
| 14:11.57 | foxlit | Which is fair enough. |
| 14:12.07 | foxlit | Should you be scouted, you're out, what, 100m? |
| 14:12.09 | Grum | yeah it is, its a nice resource-gamble |
| 14:12.21 | Grum | 100m and the time your probe is fucking about |
| 14:12.26 | Grum | so prolly 200-300 |
| 14:12.43 | frontendloader | depends on what gets scouted |
| 14:13.01 | Kraps | whats "m" |
| 14:13.06 | frontendloader | if your forge is up and you're building cannons |
| 14:13.08 | frontendloader | you're done. |
| 14:13.09 | Fisker | minerals |
| 14:13.09 | Kraps | oh |
| 14:13.56 | Kraps | Fisker: i won and lost in my 2 practice league games |
| 14:14.40 | Kraps | i lost because of those op dark templars |
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| 14:39.28 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: invis ftw...or l in your case |
| 14:39.47 | Kraps | yes |
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| 14:42.53 | Thunder_Child | also Kraps, now i want to buy the mtg thing.....i hate you |
| 14:43.19 | Kraps | dude its $25 for everything |
| 14:44.34 | Thunder_Child | well, i'm going to try out the demo |
| 14:46.10 | Kraps | but idk if you need to buy all that anyway, most of them say "Contains no new content. This content is also available through game play. Requires Magic: The Gathering â Duels of the Planeswalkers." |
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| 14:47.54 | Kraps | unless you want to unlock stuff right away? |
| 14:48.09 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, seems like there are partial unlocks? |
| 14:48.27 | Thunder_Child | "Nissa Revaneâs fully unlocked âEars of the Elvesâ black-green deck." & "Full versions of all Expansion Pack game add-ons required to access all cards." |
| 14:50.21 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: ah, i think wins give you card unlocks |
| 14:50.39 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/DuelsOfThePlanesWalkers.aspx?x=mtg/digital/dotp/decks/and/unlocks |
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| 15:01.18 | Jamash | man I've got Shroedinger's pet here |
| 15:01.38 | Jamash | call pet: Your pet is dead. revive pet: Your pet is not dead. |
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| 15:04.05 | Wobin | Jamash: beta? |
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| 15:06.15 | cbreak_work | Jamash: you didn't test at the same time :) |
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| 15:10.34 | Kraps | firefly bar brawls ftw |
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| 15:21.45 | Kraps | kaylee in a poofy dress ftlulz |
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| 15:23.03 | kd3 | oh wtf |
| 15:23.07 | kd3 | we get to download all of cata /again/? |
| 15:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I said. Took me 3 days the first time. |
| 15:23.53 | Ackis | why do we get to download it agian? |
| 15:23.59 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26262801168&sid=2000 |
| 15:24.01 | Ackis | new massive patch, or they broke something |
| 15:24.20 | kd3 | we're testing out the streaming tech again |
| 15:24.53 | Ackis | ah |
| 15:25.14 | Ackis | I like the idea except for the uninstalling the beta part, and having to use the launcher |
| 15:25.24 | Ackis | launcher hasn't worked for me for a few days |
| 15:27.51 | kd3 | sigh. it's starting from build 11927 again too |
| 15:27.53 | kd3 | wtf guys |
| 15:28.56 | Lopeppeppy | I make that probably 4 days to get this re-installed once I get back from vacation. *cries* |
| 15:30.31 | Ackis | I'm guessing it's live today and I can start it tonight |
| 15:30.43 | Yssaril | kd3: are you sure they put up the new client yet? |
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| 15:31.07 | kd3 | I'm downloading it as we speak. thankfully there's a torrent, but grr. how much of this is dupe data? |
| 15:31.31 | Yssaril | apperanlty you can start playing without everything downloaded |
| 15:32.20 | Stanzilla | kd3: so the new launcher is not on the official site yet? |
| 15:32.36 | kd3 | ... |
| 15:32.42 | kd3 | follow the instructions in the post I linked |
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| 15:33.57 | Grum | do you *have* to use that launcher to play? |
| 15:34.01 | Grum | or can you just patch old-style? |
| 15:34.08 | kd3 | I'll let you know in a few hours when I'm done downloading |
| 15:34.27 | kd3 | (hint: if you've got a non-crap connection, check it out yourself. I dunno any more than you do) |
| 15:34.40 | Grum | This will reduce the time you spend downloading, installing, and patching World of Warcraft. <-- they forgot something, 'less time playing' ... having to forcefully uninstall is not really a timeless effort :) |
| 15:34.48 | kd3 | it's beta |
| 15:34.52 | kd3 | that's why they're doing this now |
| 15:35.00 | Grum | kd3: sofar their connection would be considered the 'crap end' |
| 15:35.12 | Ackis | kd3: are you done downloading? |
| 15:35.13 | Grum | giving 1mb/s will probably not load the game fast enough |
| 15:35.19 | Ackis | it's been a few hours somewhere I'm sure |
| 15:35.56 | kd3 | grum; it's like the trial client. they preload the minimum amount of data needed to get you in then push more data as you need it. |
| 15:36.37 | Grum | sofar the memoryloads suggest that cities load 400-500mb of assets |
| 15:36.57 | Grum | thats a good 10 minutes with their supplied bandwidth |
| 15:37.16 | Grum | i also wonder about the fragmentation of data |
| 15:37.47 | kd3 | if they're smart they've got a 0-filled file that's the right size when the download starts |
| 15:37.53 | Ackis | kd3: trial client didn't work exactly like that, it never loaded 100% of the data iirc |
| 15:38.14 | Ackis | I remember having issues logging into the trial client with a retail toon |
| 15:38.14 | nicoli_s | i wish they had taken a guild wars approach |
| 15:38.23 | Grum | kd3: well that would mean they'd generate the mpq files right off the bat |
| 15:38.30 | Grum | i guess they could do that yeah |
| 15:38.35 | Grum | like old-skool torrents |
| 15:38.49 | Grum | nicoli_s: which is? |
| 15:40.40 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, right! Time Warner shapes torrents! I'm soooooo scrod. |
| 15:40.48 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 15:41.09 | nicoli_s | Grum:where it only loads sections of the game at a time depending on where you are |
| 15:41.19 | nicoli_s | instead of just loading core then load the higher levels of quality |
| 15:41.31 | kd3 | and now that I think about it (I haven't installed since beta rolled out) this looks like the base beta downloader |
| 15:42.42 | Grum | nicoli_s: isnt that just what the wow-launcher is doing? |
| 15:43.15 | Grum | ah, humz i thought it just loaded the level you requested, all textures have mipmaps and the models have LoD right? O.o |
| 15:45.11 | Ackis | hehe Kaelten linked this to me: http://bit.ly/aVxdUa |
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| 15:50.35 | cog|work | ~ping |
| 15:50.35 | purl | ~pong |
| 15:51.46 | Lopeppeppy | Ding dong the witch is dead! |
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| 15:53.50 | Ackis | my mom is still alive |
| 15:55.10 | cog|work | Ackis: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/08/03/new-study-clinches-it-the-earth-is-warming-up/ |
| 15:55.13 | cog|work | :P |
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| 15:55.26 | cog|work | station |
| 15:57.14 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:57.22 | Ackis | cog|work: snake oil |
| 15:57.25 | cog|work | :P |
| 15:58.05 | Fisker | busstop |
| 15:58.32 | Fisker | kd3 are you sure you're not silly? |
| 15:58.51 | nevcairiel | I don't think the EU page has the new installer yet |
| 15:58.54 | nevcairiel | mine looks like the old one |
| 15:58.57 | kd3 | the us page doesn't either |
| 15:59.03 | kd3 | grrs at zar posting too early |
| 15:59.25 | nevcairiel | didnt you kinda claim you got it already? |
| 15:59.27 | nevcairiel | is confused |
| 15:59.29 | Fisker | lols at kd3 for not reading |
| 15:59.43 | kd3 | because it looked different than the installer I got (for the alpha) |
| 15:59.47 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 16:00.05 | Ackis | cog|work: send some of that global warming here please! kekeke |
| 16:00.23 | cog|work | Ackis: i no rite? we've only used our AC for a couple days this summer |
| 16:00.35 | cog|work | i blame global warming for the cool weather |
| 16:00.38 | cog|work | :> |
| 16:00.46 | Ackis | wait wot? |
| 16:00.54 | Ackis | (I've used AC quite often so far) |
| 16:00.57 | cog|work | haven't you ever seen the day after tomorrow? |
| 16:00.59 | nevcairiel | global warming doesnt mean it'll actually be warmer |
| 16:01.02 | cog|work | ^ |
| 16:01.11 | nevcairiel | weather will just be more extreme |
| 16:01.18 | cog|work | it doesn't mean that either |
| 16:01.31 | cog|work | all it means is that the average temperature for the entire planet is increasing |
| 16:01.39 | Fisker | i disagree kd3 |
| 16:01.51 | Fisker | alpha was the same as far as i recall |
| 16:01.55 | Ackis | cog|work: doesn't it mean you coastal living bastards will be flooded out? |
| 16:02.16 | cog|work | only the really low-lying areas |
| 16:02.24 | Lunessa | As much as 4 whole degrees F on average! |
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| 16:02.47 | nevcairiel | poor dutchys, with their whole country below sea level |
| 16:02.55 | Fisker | god wouldn't just kill us unless it's the rapture |
| 16:03.02 | nevcairiel | but it is |
| 16:03.03 | Fisker | i demand that my viewpoints get taught in science class |
| 16:04.23 | Ackis | 4 degrees F is what? 400 million people us that system only, the rest of us use the metric system :P |
| 16:04.42 | Lopeppeppy | We're having planned power outages today, so I'll be logging in and out like a yo you. TTFN! |
| 16:04.44 | Kraps | Ackis: and we are the worse for it |
| 16:04.54 | Ackis | on a related note to global warming: on this day in 1914 Germany declared war against France |
| 16:05.06 | nevcairiel | what a joyful day |
| 16:05.10 | nevcairiel | i shall celebrate |
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| 16:06.53 | Ackis | 2 weeks later they surrendered |
| 16:06.57 | Ackis | ~rimshot |
| 16:06.58 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 16:09.20 | Ackis | oh come on, I had to offend someone at least |
| 16:09.29 | Krahg | ~rimshot |
| 16:09.30 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 16:09.38 | Krahg | hmm, learn something new everyday |
| 16:09.58 | Krahg | I missed it Akis, so no idea |
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| 16:11.30 | Krahg | Did you say all gold farmers are <X Nationality> or something? |
| 16:11.44 | Ackis | I made fun of France |
| 16:12.00 | Krahg | Are you American? |
| 16:12.07 | Ackis | Canadian |
| 16:12.28 | Krahg | Americans make fun of Can... maybe I shouldn't go there. |
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| 16:12.40 | Krahg | anyway france brought it on themselves |
| 16:12.41 | Ackis | The world makes fun of americans |
| 16:12.44 | foxlit | The Odin escort on Brutal really bugs me :( |
| 16:12.53 | Krahg | yeah you know that's true akis |
| 16:13.06 | Ackis | s/akis/Ackis/ |
| 16:13.16 | Krahg | oops |
| 16:13.22 | Ackis | :) |
| 16:13.25 | Krahg | I will fix that |
| 16:13.40 | Krahg | Until I left American I didn't realize how bad we really are |
| 16:14.04 | Krahg | well I mean how many make fun of us anyway (and honestly we have some problems) |
| 16:14.59 | Krahg | I was more or less teasing aboot making fun of Canada though |
| 16:15.29 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:15.52 | Ackis | we make fun of ourselves |
| 16:16.00 | Krahg | When I first moved here everytime someone asked where are you from... |
| 16:16.19 | Krahg | they held their hands to their heads withpointed fingers like horns |
| 16:16.33 | Krahg | like devil horns and said 'bushie?" |
| 16:17.06 | Krahg | (the SH sound here is pronouced SHE since there is not double constant SH) |
| 16:17.39 | Krahg | so what they were implying was George Bush was a devil, but it was funny in a way. I never really expected that. |
| 16:20.10 | Krahg | Anyway, anything interesting going on? |
| 16:22.35 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/polarbear.jpg |
| 16:25.07 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/seanconneryjoke.jpg nsfw |
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| 16:28.17 | Fisker | buries Ackis |
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| 16:35.45 | Fisker | how is it Ackis ? |
| 16:35.58 | Krahg | Am I permitted to join the addon author guild when I get accepted to beta? Which faction is more active? |
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| 16:40.09 | nevcairiel | author guilds usually are not the most active places to begin with |
| 16:40.29 | cog|work | esp since addons are disabled :> |
| 16:40.30 | nevcairiel | but sure, we accept anyone :p |
| 16:43.26 | Kraps | $10 for a beta key anyone? |
| 16:43.41 | Krahg | Since my friend says no one from <Lewd on Demand> has ever been online I guess not |
| 16:43.58 | Krahg | Sure, I will take one, lol |
| 16:44.53 | Kraps | Krahg: you disappoint me |
| 16:45.15 | Krahg | are they particularly back ally market quailty, I mean way back in the darkest and dingyest part of the ally... cause for 10$ I want only the most illicitly gotten beta keys... nothing of a hint of legit. |
| 16:45.54 | Krahg | How so? |
| 16:47.13 | Kraps | Krahg: my allys are the darkest and dingyest, with huge scary men appearing at random |
| 16:47.54 | Krahg | Nice, I will take two keys and a copy of Inception and Toy Story 3 please |
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| 16:57.05 | Adys | purl: time in australia |
| 16:57.42 | Krahg | 3am |
| 16:57.57 | Kraps | ~adys |
| 16:57.58 | purl | adys se fait habite en les etats unis |
| 16:57.59 | Krahg | they are 1h ahead of me |
| 16:58.22 | Kraps | is that french? |
| 16:59.20 | Kraps | it is |
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| 17:03.31 | Shirik_ | so I got my boss hooked on Lua |
| 17:04.03 | cbreak | happy free consulting. |
| 17:04.32 | Shirik_ | ScytheBlade1: You would enjoy this comment he made |
| 17:04.39 | Shirik_ | "Wow this would be so much nicer than XML" |
| 17:06.22 | Lunessa | Shirik_ Programming Language Pusher - the first hack is free, the next one costs ya... |
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| 17:14.51 | Krahg | ~Kraps++ |
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| 17:17.19 | Dagmar | Shirik: Put ORA's book on XML in his hand, and tell him there will be no more cookies until he's read it and realized that XML is not very hard. |
| 17:17.38 | cog|work | Shirik_: lulz |
| 17:19.23 | cog|work | so i got a new laptop with my 3 months of retroactive raise. I'm shocked at how little crapware I had to uninstall |
| 17:19.51 | Lunessa | wants a new laptop |
| 17:20.09 | Dagmar | cog: We've been hassling manufs about that for long enough |
| 17:20.37 | cog|work | core i7 Q740, 6g ram, nvidia gt 330m, 700g hd |
| 17:20.44 | Ackis | cog|work: you got your raise already? grats buddy |
| 17:20.48 | cog|work | =) |
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| 17:20.53 | Ackis | purl: does cog|work have balls? |
| 17:20.59 | Legorol | cog|work: i haven't had dinner yet, don't make me drool |
| 17:21.13 | nevcairiel | sounds like something without battery life |
| 17:21.41 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: That's what after-market batteries are for |
| 17:21.59 | Dagmar | ...at least, that appears to be the way the premanufactured winds are blowing |
| 17:22.08 | cog|work | Ackis: they didn't even negotiate. since it took so damn long, the owner was more than eager to give me the raise once he knew i was annoyed with my boss :> |
| 17:22.26 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: with a system like that, you cant install a big enough battery that you can still carry with you :p |
| 17:22.44 | Dagmar | 'bout two hours is all you get (give or take another hour tops) from the manuf. You go aftermarket and buy one that's 2-2.5x larger |
| 17:22.50 | cog|work | nevcairiel: i'm sure the battery life will be fine as long as i don't play SCII over wifi or something :P |
| 17:23.09 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Not true. I've got one for my Vaio that is just about overkill-sized. 5+ hours running on it, no problem |
| 17:23.20 | Dagmar | Something absurd like 13000mAh |
| 17:23.22 | cog|work | Dagmar: mine's a vaio |
| 17:23.28 | cog|work | vpcf126fm |
| 17:23.29 | nevcairiel | my manuf battery did 5 hours when it was new |
| 17:23.30 | nevcairiel | *shrug* |
| 17:23.43 | Dagmar | cog: Yeah so there's some Chinese manuf making 13k batteries for about $90 |
| 17:23.45 | nevcairiel | office tasks, of course |
| 17:23.48 | nevcairiel | nothing intensive |
| 17:23.51 | Dagmar | I'm SUPER pleased with mine |
| 17:24.12 | Dagmar | It's double the size of the standard, and sticks out the back but still quite carryable |
| 17:24.32 | Shirik_ | it's not that XML is hard Dagmar |
| 17:24.35 | Shirik_ | it's that it's ugly |
| 17:24.40 | cog|work | ^ |
| 17:24.42 | alestane | It's verbose. |
| 17:25.00 | Dagmar | All structured data is going to be ugly when you take an n-dimensional structure and try to stick it in a flat file |
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| 17:25.22 | nevcairiel | xml even more so, though |
| 17:25.29 | cog|work | Dagmar: do aftermarket batteries void the warranty? |
| 17:25.39 | nevcairiel | only on iPhones :D |
| 17:26.00 | Dagmar | cog: Well, unless it bursts into flames and melts the laptop, how exactly are they going to know? But afaik it doesn't violate anything |
| 17:26.21 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: You've got to get serious with a screwdriver to change a battery in those |
| 17:26.32 | nevcairiel | thats why it voids warranty |
| 17:26.40 | Dagmar | Exactly |
| 17:26.58 | cog|work | I've never really used any of my laptops much without access to power. when we go on trips i'm usually driving, or the plane ride is short enough not to bother |
| 17:27.05 | kd3 | waves goodbye to a smooth $3k |
| 17:27.09 | Dagmar | I am at coffee houses a lot |
| 17:27.27 | nevcairiel | i only really used my laptop much when i was still at university |
| 17:27.29 | Dagmar | Five plus hours at a coffee house puts you easily into the 2% of people who don't have to give a shit about sitting near an outlet |
| 17:27.31 | Lunessa | You can get aftermarket batteries for the iPhone that plug in to the socket. |
| 17:27.33 | nevcairiel | havent used it much since then |
| 17:27.53 | nevcairiel | but its also quite old by now |
| 17:28.36 | amro | anyone US for sc2? |
| 17:28.49 | Niv | cog|work: so are your macro/addons still working in beta? |
| 17:29.00 | Niv | some of the SC guys were saying they did last night |
| 17:29.05 | amro | Niv: the term is maddons |
| 17:29.08 | Niv | haha |
| 17:29.10 | cog|work | Niv: they're not "supposed" to |
| 17:29.14 | nevcairiel | they disabled that quite a while ago, afaik |
| 17:29.17 | cog|work | they disabled /run |
| 17:29.19 | cog|work | and /dump |
| 17:29.26 | Niv | but not script? |
| 17:29.31 | Shadowed | script and run are the same thing |
| 17:29.35 | Niv | thought so |
| 17:29.36 | Shadowed | just an alias |
| 17:29.53 | Niv | so did you find another way to get things done, or were they just wrong? :P |
| 17:30.15 | cog|work | I never intended it to be an exploit, so i'm not going to try any harder :P |
| 17:30.29 | nevcairiel | how was it anything but an exploit? |
| 17:30.30 | cog|work | blizzard already hates me enough as it is -_- |
| 17:30.39 | Shadowed | Yea I'm not sure how you thought of it as not an exploit :P |
| 17:30.50 | amro | doesn't seem like one to me |
| 17:30.52 | cog|work | because it didn't really do anything more than you could accomplish with /run macros |
| 17:31.03 | nevcairiel | They disabled addons, you find a way to run addons |
| 17:31.05 | nevcairiel | --> exploit |
| 17:31.05 | batbot | nevcairiel: > nil |
| 17:31.12 | nevcairiel | ~lart batbot |
| 17:31.12 | purl | shoves a crumpet down batbot's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
| 17:31.16 | amro | except they didn't ban addons, they just wanted them out of the way |
| 17:31.24 | cog|work | ^ |
| 17:31.28 | nevcairiel | their motivation is irrelevant |
| 17:31.35 | amro | exploits are all about motivation |
| 17:31.36 | Niv | blizzard needs to make frames movable ffs |
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| 17:32.05 | Niv | the default Ui makes me rage |
| 17:32.10 | Dagmar | They made their motivation exceptionally clear, which was actually very cool |
| 17:32.16 | nevcairiel | i only have two problems with the default ui really |
| 17:32.24 | nevcairiel | the damn action bar should not page on tree form |
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| 17:32.31 | nevcairiel | and i want a all-in-one-bag |
| 17:32.37 | Niv | I like both of those |
| 17:32.40 | Niv | but I could deal with it |
| 17:32.57 | Niv | but shit like the 3rd boss in the deepholm instance |
| 17:33.03 | Niv | who one shots you w/ a 3 second cast |
| 17:33.11 | Niv | but your cast bar is way the fuck up in the left |
| 17:33.15 | mikma | http://www.break.com/index/water-catapult-launch.html |
| 17:33.22 | mikma | those crazy russians |
| 17:33.25 | Niv | so what, I have to train myself to bar trance now? |
| 17:33.36 | nevcairiel | its not that hard to look at the target frame |
| 17:33.57 | Niv | to each his won |
| 17:33.59 | Niv | own* |
| 17:34.13 | Niv | I can stare at it, but them I'm not watching what's going on |
| 17:34.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | i cant believe they invited all the authors to beta with addons disabled |
| 17:34.20 | Niv | with small mobs you can rely on the nameplate castbar |
| 17:34.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | that seems almost evil |
| 17:34.28 | Niv | but when you're tanking something 10x as tall, you can't even see it |
| 17:34.31 | Dagmar | Hey this is not "pre-raidsville". A few sacrifices gotta be made to get the _other_ parts of the game working now |
| 17:34.47 | nevcairiel | that way you have the exploring and leveling out of the way when addons are enabled :p |
| 17:34.48 | Dagmar | I'm down with you ont he visibility issue tho |
| 17:34.52 | Dagmar | Someone showed me that a few nights ago |
| 17:34.53 | Dagmar | Hehe |
| 17:35.04 | nevcairiel | nameplates on way-too-big-bosses are a common problem |
| 17:35.34 | Dagmar | nev: Gotta stare into the sun to see them still? |
| 17:35.42 | Niv | you can't even see them |
| 17:35.44 | Ackis | nicoli_s: http://www.darklegacycomics.com/249.html not sure if you saw that yet |
| 17:35.45 | Niv | if you look straight up |
| 17:35.45 | nevcairiel | no sun in deepholme |
| 17:35.46 | Niv | :P |
| 17:36.34 | Dagmar | Well, shoot. I'd hopes they've have sorted that this time around |
| 17:37.01 | Ackis | "When you decide to take out the garbage in your underwear because itâs JUST YOUR BACK YARD, remember that Google has satellites." lolololol |
| 17:37.55 | Legorol | so does the MoD and they can even nuke you, unlike Google |
| 17:38.18 | Dagmar | People gotta take more pride in flashing the whole of civilization |
| 17:38.24 | cog|work | Shadowed: the other thing is that it was running all through alpha with what appeared to be tacit indifference (now known to be an oversight). It was really only when beta hit that they took notice. |
| 17:38.43 | Shadowed | alpha also has less people to be fair |
| 17:38.50 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 17:39.00 | Shadowed | and it's more about "oh god, let's fix the crash to desktop bug because you are using firebolt" |
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| 17:41.00 | Lunessa | Still, McRun is a cool idea. |
| 17:43.48 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/03/funny-pictures-ocelot-so-grr-and-stuff/ |
| 17:45.40 | cog|work | Legorol: mrs cog says "i was hoping you wouldn't notice that drool spot... i was only glancing at it" |
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| 17:49.47 | cog|work | stupid engineering gems keep tripping google alerts -_- |
| 17:50.01 | zenzelezz | http://punditkitchen.com/2010/08/02/political-pictures-tramp-stamps/ - well that's a turn off |
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| 17:50.10 | Dashkal | You're in the game in a big way now :P |
| 17:51.52 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: You don't want to think of it as a chance to jizz on a political figure you don't like? |
| 17:52.12 | zenzelezz | my fetishes do not include jizzing on people I don't like |
| 17:52.48 | Ackis | ~seen zenzelezz |
| 17:52.51 | purl | zenzelezz is currently on #wowuidev (4h 10m 55s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 39s, last said: 'my fetishes do not include jizzing on people I don't like'. |
| 17:52.57 | Ackis | yup thought so |
| 17:53.04 | Ackis | I'm going back to my corner now |
| 17:53.18 | zenzelezz | is confused |
| 17:54.40 | Dashkal | The stone Tol'vir almost have a quest ! on their abdomen... |
| 17:55.31 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/03/funny-pictures-duck-has-capsized/ |
| 17:57.32 | kd3 | <3 multi-signin for gmail |
| 17:58.10 | Dagmar | multi? |
| 17:58.17 | kd3 | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/08/03/google-begins-rolling-out-multiple-account-sign-in/ |
| 17:58.30 | Dagmar | Hmmm |
| 17:58.33 | Dagmar | goes to look |
| 17:58.35 | alestane | Lunessa: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/08/02/demotivational-posters-sex-tape/ |
| 17:59.01 | cog|work | ~rimshot |
| 17:59.02 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 17:59.12 | Lunessa | alestane: it's been so long that that picture counts a pr0n. |
| 17:59.14 | Cairenn | *snark* |
| 17:59.16 | Dagmar | OOo... that can be handy |
| 17:59.52 | alestane | This, however, is just plain frightening |
| 17:59.54 | alestane | :http://verydemotivational.com/2010/08/02/demotivational-posters-real-life-garfield/ |
| 18:00.30 | Dagmar | Jesus |
| 18:00.42 | Dagmar | Some people shoudlnt' own cats |
| 18:00.49 | Dashkal | Maybe I'm just playing too much starcraft, but some of the uldum screenshots look a bit protoss |
| 18:00.54 | nevcairiel | looks kinda fake |
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| 18:01.35 | alestane | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/07/30/demotivational-posters-nerds-2/ |
| 18:01.45 | Dagmar | Dashkal: I could swear the guy with the memory crystal actually mentioned Draenor |
| 18:01.56 | Dagmar | I've been meaning to go back and rewatch the cinematics to see |
| 18:02.09 | Dashkal | mmm, I'll watch for that when I do that set again |
| 18:02.24 | Dashkal | More likely he says Raynor. |
| 18:02.34 | Dashkal | Friend Raynor |
| 18:02.38 | Dagmar | I kinda hope so but he sure as hell looks like a broken |
| 18:03.16 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 18:03.21 | Dashkal | I believe he says Friend Raynor in the briefing screen for his first mission |
| 18:03.22 | cog|work | no u? |
| 18:03.30 | alestane | Now this made me snark, Cairenn: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/07/29/demotivational-posters-alien-abduction/ |
| 18:03.36 | Dashkal | But I can't get at it right now |
| 18:03.47 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 18:04.27 | Dashkal | nice |
| 18:04.51 | Lunessa | alestane: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/07/21/demotivational-posters-thats-not-the-kitchen/ |
| 18:05.02 | alestane | And speaking of snark: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/07/27/demotivational-posters-good-plan/ |
| 18:05.33 | kd3 | lol |
| 18:05.39 | alestane | Because any hot naked chick is better in a tub full of waffles, Lunessa. |
| 18:05.57 | Lunessa | alestane: naturally. VERY GOOD PLAN |
| 18:06.04 | Dashkal | Nice |
| 18:06.45 | alestane | It's good to have goals: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19293.html |
| 18:07.16 | alestane | And when life stinks, there's always THC: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19292.html |
| 18:10.27 | alestane | And then there are the moments of pure Wuft'Fuh? http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19280.html |
| 18:11.54 | alestane | This,,l on the other hand, is pure awesome: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/02/mad-kitteh-will-rule-your-world/ |
| 18:13.03 | kd3 | ahaha |
| 18:13.29 | Lunessa | alestane: Wurld Dominashun! |
| 18:13.50 | cog|work | kd3: is oh my goddess among your anime fandom? |
| 18:13.50 | alestane | Do I even want to know: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/07/26/demotivational-posters-failtruck/ |
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| 18:14.12 | alestane | Oh, and Lunessa: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/07/26/demotivational-posters-college-3/ |
| 18:14.15 | kd3 | meh. I haven't watched it in years. belldandy+keiichi need to get a freaking clue |
| 18:14.25 | cog|work | they did irl... |
| 18:14.41 | cog|work | at least the english voice actors for the oav series... |
| 18:14.57 | kd3 | winces |
| 18:15.14 | Lunessa | alestane: I work in a college. *wink* |
| 18:15.21 | alestane | One ADV series got delayed because the male and female leads for the dub took time off to get married. |
| 18:15.54 | olafski | I miss college too it seems |
| 18:15.59 | olafski | though I never saw anything like that over there |
| 18:16.11 | cog|work | i just found out I knew them (the voice actors) |
| 18:16.27 | alestane | It was the voices of Momiji and Kusanagi, but I don't remember if it was Blue Seed that got delayed, because that pair voiced the leads in about five different ADV dubs. |
| 18:16.40 | Lunessa | OMFG - http://verydemotivational.com/upcoming/?pid=12083 |
| 18:16.46 | alestane | (Including the infamous F^3 IIRC) |
| 18:16.51 | Lunessa | I'm so going to hell for laughing at this. |
| 18:17.02 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 18:17.03 | cog|work | the woman who played belldandy is the neice of a long-time family friend and they just moved back to Cali |
| 18:17.03 | kd3 | wtf |
| 18:17.12 | nevcairiel | we're all going to hell anyway |
| 18:17.27 | alestane | I think "tampon" is just French for "pad" or "roll". |
| 18:17.34 | Lunessa | I know, but still. |
| 18:17.34 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, ping |
| 18:17.38 | kd3 | oi ow |
| 18:18.07 | alestane | Rather like "douche" actually turns out to be French for "rinse" and is the usual words for "take a shower." |
| 18:18.20 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:18.26 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 18:18.29 | Fisker | i have a question |
| 18:18.38 | olafski | we use douche for "shower" too |
| 18:18.40 | Ackis | kd3: is that patch thing for wow live? (missed what you said about it) |
| 18:18.53 | nevcairiel | shower is "dusche" in german, its all somewhat similar around here :p |
| 18:18.55 | olafski | I only found out last month what it means in french |
| 18:19.08 | Fisker | so how is the new patch kd3 ? |
| 18:19.09 | Ackis | olafski: you douche! |
| 18:19.09 | Fisker | hoho |
| 18:19.20 | nevcairiel | the new launcher isnt up yet |
| 18:19.20 | alestane | This just looks weird: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/07/26/demotivational-posters-college-3/ |
| 18:19.43 | Fisker | i know nevcairiel |
| 18:19.59 | alestane | I *hope* this ornament was custom: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/07/23/demotivational-posters-fail-3/ |
| 18:20.01 | olafski | ackis: thanks <3 |
| 18:20.27 | cog|work | alestane: stop showing me future pictures of my sister -_- |
| 18:20.55 | alestane | When she has to drag her fiancé away from the console for the wedding, you mean? |
| 18:21.04 | cog|work | no the other one :\ |
| 18:21.11 | cog|work | she's gonna be such a slut -_- |
| 18:21.12 | nevcairiel | or being a hot blonde and going to college soon? |
| 18:21.15 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 18:21.21 | Fisker | just remember to send pics |
| 18:21.35 | cog|work | no. she'll be long gone from our house by then |
| 18:21.41 | Fisker | PICS |
| 18:21.48 | Ackis | cog|work: until she gets knocked up |
| 18:21.55 | cog|work | s/ll/d better/ |
| 18:22.03 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:22.08 | Ackis | but she sounds like Fisker's type... except for the whole being female aspect |
| 18:22.09 | cog|work | SO sick of having a teenage child |
| 18:23.01 | Ackis | fyi track 2 on the SC2 CE soundtrack is the best of the bunch |
| 18:23.06 | Ackis | makes me think serenity |
| 18:24.36 | alestane | Also, I totally agree with this assessment: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/01/funny-pictures-gonna-end-well/ |
| 18:24.43 | Dashkal | It totally does |
| 18:24.47 | alestane | Now I'm done for a while. |
| 18:24.57 | Ackis | I don't think that bird gives a hoot |
| 18:25.07 | alestane | Is that the one that starts with the slide guitar, Ackis? |
| 18:25.09 | Dashkal | I don't have the CE, but the editor lets you cough up the soundtrack :P |
| 18:25.21 | Ackis | alestane: aye |
| 18:25.34 | Ackis | I also like the last track too |
| 18:25.35 | alestane | It's very "frontier sallon." |
| 18:25.38 | alestane | saloon* |
| 18:25.42 | Ackis | reminds me of the gladiator soundtrack |
| 18:27.10 | olafski | ooh gladiator |
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| 18:39.05 | airtonix | olafski, wipe yourself |
| 18:39.08 | airtonix | you're leaking |
| 18:41.19 | Fisker | sup airtonix |
| 18:41.52 | airtonix | yo dawg |
| 18:41.54 | olafski | I'm fine airtonix, thanks |
| 18:41.59 | airtonix | thats good to hear |
| 18:42.16 | airtonix | i was getting worried you would ruin your armani suit |
| 18:44.24 | olafski | I'd love to do that |
| 18:44.39 | airtonix | btw |
| 18:44.42 | airtonix | if i said |
| 18:44.44 | airtonix | gui design |
| 18:44.46 | airtonix | and |
| 18:44.50 | airtonix | accelerator |
| 18:44.57 | airtonix | would you give me a blank look ? |
| 18:45.07 | airtonix | i mean |
| 18:45.18 | airtonix | assuming you supposedly had 40 years experience in gui design |
| 18:46.15 | Lunessa | Obligatory Game On music video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMrN3Rh55uM |
| 18:50.31 | Ackis | you know those motivational posters, the black with a picture and then something inspirational written? where can I find pictures of these? |
| 18:51.23 | alestane | Is the issue here in the upper right: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=44516568&id=23901388 ? |
| 18:51.39 | olafski | if I had 40 years of experience I probably wouldn't be giving a blank look |
| 18:52.05 | nicoli_s | airtonix:id say "do you mean gooey, like peanut butter?" |
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| 18:54.00 | airtonix | Ackis, http://diy.despair.com/ |
| 18:54.07 | cog|work | Cairenn: are you guys planning to score a group hotel rate again this year? (i say "again" referring to 08...) |
| 18:54.19 | Cairenn | cog|work: no |
| 18:54.22 | olafski | if you'd put as many pauses in your spoken text as you put returns in your irc speak, I'd probably walk away after the second sentence though |
| 18:54.24 | cog|work | kk |
| 18:54.32 | Ackis | airtonix: I was trying to find a real one lol |
| 18:54.37 | Cairenn | cog|work: too much work, not enough ... positive response |
| 18:54.41 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 18:54.42 | DesertDwarf | olafski, true that. |
| 18:54.51 | Ackis | I liked the hotel you had set up Cairenn |
| 18:54.55 | Ackis | except for the dirty mexicans |
| 18:54.57 | Ackis | keke |
| 18:55.11 | Ackis | only thing that was odd was the people picketing outside |
| 18:55.36 | Cairenn | smacks Ackis |
| 18:55.43 | cog|work | joins Cairenn |
| 18:56.08 | cog|work | hopes Ackis isn't deriving pleasure from the smackage |
| 18:56.08 | Fisker | don't call me dirty or mexican Ackis |
| 18:56.33 | Ackis | I think I'm using an image from icanhascheeseburger in my ghana presentation |
| 18:58.03 | Fisker | i have an idea Ackis |
| 18:59.15 | Ackis | it's a dumb one |
| 18:59.25 | Fisker | meanie |
| 18:59.26 | Dashkal | Fitting |
| 18:59.53 | airtonix | lool |
| 19:01.15 | Fisker | rips out the F-emblem from his shirt and throws it at Ackis |
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| 19:12.01 | smcn | there sure are some brilliant posts on the "new cataclysm launcher" thread |
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| 19:15.18 | Spejnar | isnt it possible to use both cast modifier and target=focus in a macro? |
| 19:15.43 | Spejnar | nm, just fixed it |
| 19:15.51 | Spejnar | had to have them within the same [] instead of two different |
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| 19:17.14 | Ackis | ~dict inhibitions |
| 19:17.19 | Ackis | ~dict inhibition |
| 19:17.31 | Ackis | I do not Torhal! |
| 19:18.49 | olafski | spejnar: having it in two [] means "OR", in the same [] means "AND" :-) |
| 19:19.38 | Spejnar | oh |
| 19:19.39 | Spejnar | did not know that |
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| 19:22.07 | olafski | it lets you do stuff like "if I have a friendly focus target, cast on that; else if my current target has a friend targetted, cast on that, else cast on myself" /cast [@focus,exists,noharm] [@targettarget,friendly] [@self] Renew |
| 19:22.15 | olafski | something like that, not really sure about all of the syntax |
| 19:22.26 | Jamash | it |
| 19:22.36 | olafski | it indeed |
| 19:22.39 | Jamash | it's @player, not @self, but that's mostly correct |
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| 19:22.48 | olafski | oh :) yeah |
| 19:22.49 | Lunessa | help, not friendly |
| 19:23.09 | olafski | oh I actually meant to write noharm there, like I did in the first [] |
| 19:23.22 | olafski | but I guess help is more accurate (and shorter) |
| 19:24.07 | alestane | And allows you to eliminate the "exists". |
| 19:24.21 | Dagmar | semantic orthagonality is irresistable |
| 19:24.38 | alestane | Bless you, Dagmar. |
| 19:24.46 | Dagmar | Well, it is |
| 19:24.47 | olafski | ah.. so actually not much of the syntax was actually right, but I guess I managed to illustrate the idea with the multiple [] :) |
| 19:25.30 | alestane | I can put those words together, and each one of them means something, but the gestalt eludes me. |
| 19:25.36 | Dagmar | Oh |
| 19:25.41 | Dagmar | Semantic... meaning of the words |
| 19:25.49 | Jamash | alestane: you're just anti-semantic |
| 19:25.53 | Dagmar | Orthagonality, well... WP explains it better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonality |
| 19:26.27 | Dagmar | ....but "help" and "harm" are definitely words with meanings that are if not diametrical opposites, are definitely cross-purposes |
| 19:27.01 | Krahg | good night |
| 19:27.11 | Jamash | that would make them antiparallel, not orthogonal |
| 19:27.15 | alestane | I understand orthogonal, and I suppose "semantic orthogonality" would refer to terms or meanings that were not applicable to comparable to each other's domains. |
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| 19:28.03 | alestane | [help] and [harm] are not orthogonal as I understand the word...you can't meaningfully put them in the same condition. |
| 19:28.17 | Dagmar | THat being the point |
| 19:28.37 | Dagmar | One line being as far from parallel to the other as possible. |
| 19:28.40 | Dagmar | Not just "not parallel" |
| 19:28.43 | cog|work | it's because they both imply [exists] |
| 19:29.03 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:30.44 | Jamash | slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker. |
| 19:31.16 | amro | slaps Jamash around a bit with a large Fisker |
| 19:31.27 | Fisker | such abuse |
| 19:31.27 | Dagmar | 'complementary' doesn't exactly work |
| 19:31.55 | Dagmar | 'supplementary' for more or less the same reasons |
| 19:32.13 | alestane | [help] and [harm] aren't complements because they don't collectively encompass the whole. |
| 19:32.17 | alestane | They're dijunct. |
| 19:32.21 | alestane | disjunct. |
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| 19:32.50 | alestane | No unit should ever qualify as both. |
| 19:33.01 | Jamash | except Fisker |
| 19:33.39 | Dagmar | Jamash++ |
| 19:33.55 | Jamash | ty |
| 19:34.04 | Fisker | yo momma is so fat that she singlehandedly encompass the whole then |
| 19:36.04 | alestane | If I remember right, two sets are complements iff they are disjunct and their union is a unity. |
| 19:36.26 | Dagmar | From Wp: "In taxonomy, an orthogonal classification is one in which no item is a member of more than one group, that is, the classifications are mutually exclusive." |
| 19:36.32 | cog|work | disses your junct |
| 19:37.07 | alestane | Families within a genus, then, but not a family and a genus. |
| 19:37.11 | Dagmar | Plus tehre's the whole OCD thing of both starting with 'h' and both being four letters. |
| 19:37.16 | Dagmar | :) |
| 19:37.52 | Jamash | my hand itches |
| 19:39.07 | Jamash | apparently simply browsing the incomplete directory hierarchy that the beta installer creates in windows explorer is enough to screw up an install |
| 19:42.01 | Dagmar | Sounds like more fun windows file locking |
| 19:42.13 | Dagmar | Do you have Google Desktop installed? |
| 19:42.30 | Dagmar | I've noted it seems to like meddling in new files before they're done, and winds up flock()ing the damn things |
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| 19:42.51 | Dagmar | ...a practice which should probably be outlawed |
| 19:43.01 | Jamash | nah |
| 19:44.01 | mikma | cairenn: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/polarbear.jpg |
| 19:44.05 | amro | Dagmar: being unable to open a file for reading when it's open for writing should be outlawed |
| 19:44.23 | amro | heck, I don't even think you can open shit for reading from 2 processes |
| 19:44.34 | Cairenn | mikma: lol |
| 19:44.52 | mikma | cairenn: must have smelled all the meat aboard |
| 19:44.56 | olafski | doesn't that just depend on what those processes specified as sharing option or something? |
| 19:45.02 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 19:45.31 | Dagmar | amro: Actually you can, it causes no problems |
| 19:45.52 | amro | I've never been able to open a download in progress on windows |
| 19:46.02 | Dagmar | Just don't expect to always get sensible data when you're reading from a file that's currently being written to if you dont' do something to avoid reading places that are in the middle of being written |
| 19:46.19 | amro | I don't mind if the data doesn't make sense |
| 19:46.22 | Dagmar | amro: That's because IE loooves some file locks |
| 19:46.28 | amro | I don't use IE |
| 19:46.39 | amro | this goes for just about everything |
| 19:46.54 | Dagmar | Firefox writes as it goes, so you can read the first part of the file while it's writing without an issue (other than the aforementioned one) |
| 19:46.57 | amro | even if it's possible, it must be an additional option |
| 19:47.44 | amro | windows loves replacing POSIX APIs with its own crap |
| 19:48.05 | Dagmar | meh I'll go a bit further and say it likes combinin the two just to piss you off |
| 19:48.13 | amro | yeah |
| 19:48.27 | Dagmar | I hate it when there's a file naming conflict between the two |
| 19:48.49 | Dagmar | When it's easier to create a directory, move the file in there, and then nuke the directory... yuck |
| 19:48.57 | cog|work | O.o |
| 19:49.04 | Dagmar | Yes. That can actually happen. |
| 19:49.07 | cog|work | i just got my e-mail receipt for SCII from blizzard... |
| 19:49.12 | Ackis | anyone know how to make an image rotate around the z axis in powerpoint? |
| 19:49.16 | Dagmar | Oh yeah. I got mine last night. |
| 19:49.29 | Dagmar | They were a little backed up sending those out I guess' |
| 19:49.35 | cog|work | apparently |
| 19:49.39 | Dagmar | I was like "WTF, I just finished single-player" |
| 19:49.51 | amro | speaking of |
| 19:49.56 | amro | anyone on us bnet up for sc2? |
| 19:49.57 | cog|work | thought it was a scam at first ... nope... that link really does go to battle.net |
| 19:51.08 | Dagmar | alestane: For extra brain bruising, try wading through http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/What_is_orthogonality_42969.html |
| 19:51.44 | amro | oh yeah, there's a language called D. |
| 19:52.01 | cog|work | lulz |
| 19:52.09 | Fisker | why did you buy online cog|work ? |
| 19:52.10 | Fisker | fail |
| 19:52.44 | Dagmar | Fisker: Because it's bloody easy, I suspect |
| 19:52.52 | alestane | It can also mean "at right angles", and in game design it refers to stats that don't influence the same part of the game or similar ideas...Strength and Intellect are orthogonal, but Strength and attack power are not. |
| 19:52.57 | Dagmar | *clickclick* *nap* "It's installed!" |
| 19:52.59 | cog|work | what Dagmar said |
| 19:52.59 | alestane | Just happened to me too, cog|work. |
| 19:53.26 | Fisker | It's cheaper to buy in stores |
| 19:53.27 | amro | snail e-mail |
| 19:53.28 | Fisker | + ce |
| 19:53.43 | alestane | Maybe for you, Fisker. |
| 19:53.48 | amro | not if you have to pay for gas |
| 19:53.50 | cog|work | i think i'm done with CEs for now... |
| 19:53.59 | alestane | They're the same MSRP in the US. |
| 19:54.17 | Dagmar | Yeah $60/$100 online or off here |
| 19:54.42 | Fisker | madcuzpostwiped cog|work ?:3 |
| 19:54.55 | Fisker | of course it's the MSRP |
| 19:54.57 | Dagmar | MSRP pretty much dictates game prices for a few months after release in the US |
| 19:55.03 | Fisker | stores still them pretty cheaper than that though |
| 19:55.14 | alestane | Dagmar: one extremely geeky friend of mine sometimes refers to people as "normal" ...by which he means that they are orthogonal to their frame of reference. |
| 19:55.14 | Dagmar | Not here |
| 19:55.20 | Fisker | no competition? |
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| 19:55.21 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation&diff=prev&oldid=376976536 |
| 19:55.33 | Fisker | I can buy SC2 for 33 euro |
| 19:55.35 | Dagmar | Fisker: At the moment, we're mainly glad they'll actually stock a goddamn box on a shelf |
| 19:55.36 | Fisker | that's almost half the MSRP |
| 19:55.59 | Dagmar | FiskeR: THat's about $45 USD. Not half |
| 19:56.08 | Fisker | that's US MSRP not EU |
| 19:56.13 | Fisker | EU MSRP is 60⬠|
| 19:56.38 | alestane | Question is, Shirik, is the alterer an actual conspiracy theorist, or just a vandal? |
| 19:56.41 | Dagmar | Well, like I said, mainly here we're just glad they'll have a box on the bloody shelf |
| 19:56.48 | Shirik | I haven't decided |
| 19:56.54 | Fisker | Just odd though |
| 19:57.06 | Dagmar | Most of the "pure" video game shops act like your'e some kind of deranged leper if you come in off the street on release day wanting something and you didn't pre-order |
| 19:57.39 | Dagmar | I actually quit dealing with GameStop because of that until BestBuy pulled their little stunt and cancelled a crapton of legit SC2 pre-orders without anything approaching an adequate explanation |
| 19:58.00 | Fisker | haha |
| 19:58.06 | Fisker | i remember amazon did something similar in the UK |
| 19:58.16 | Fisker | they cancelled a fuckton of CE preorders because they overbooked |
| 19:58.16 | Fisker | :D |
| 19:58.19 | Dagmar | The whole lying about everyone whose order was mistakenly cancelled getting emailed a $10 promo code was a load of crap that just added insult to injury |
| 19:58.20 | Ackis | Dagmar: what I've learned is that a lot of the stock stuff isn't up to the local gamestop/eb games... they get what they get from head office :( |
| 19:58.22 | Fisker | people were pissed off |
| 19:58.35 | Fisker | and they cancelled like a few days before release |
| 19:58.45 | Dagmar | Ackis: Yes, this is why I started just not going to GameStop at all, rather than just one particular GameStop |
| 19:59.23 | Dagmar | I didnt' care for that whole "we want our money in advance so that we can cut our costs and pass not a damn thing onto you" |
| 19:59.25 | Ackis | my choices are best buy, future shop or eb games... eb games is the lesser of three evils |
| 19:59.49 | Dagmar | There WAS a time when a pre-order wouldn't charge until they actually shipped something |
| 20:00.08 | Ackis | steam charged me 100% for my Civ 5 pre-order |
| 20:00.10 | Dagmar | I'm not sure what changed there |
| 20:00.19 | Ackis | eb games charges me $5 that I get back if I don't pick up the game |
| 20:00.20 | Dagmar | I suppose they made it legal somehow |
| 20:00.29 | Dagmar | Ackis: Now that's more reasonable |
| 20:01.02 | Dagmar | I can deal with them charging a few bucks in advance, because at least then they're somewhat splitting the cost of financing the purchase on their end |
| 20:01.02 | Ackis | right now I think I have $80 tied up between 8 pre-orders, but that was also because I returned a $40 game and told them to just throw it on my fable 3 pre-order |
| 20:01.03 | Fisker | technically it's pre-purchase Ackis |
| 20:01.17 | Fisker | Don't you guys have mailorder preorders? |
| 20:01.21 | olafski | you buy games in stores? |
| 20:01.24 | Dagmar | Fisker: Not when we can download it |
| 20:01.26 | Ackis | Dagmar: it's like a deposit, 100% refundable deposit |
| 20:01.36 | Dagmar | Ackis: Yeah. I'm fine witht hat |
| 20:01.49 | Ackis | I'm actually pissed at steam, I pre-purchased civ 5 then found out about the special edition |
| 20:01.59 | Shirik | ~wiki Talk:Ménage à 3 |
| 20:02.00 | Ackis | nothing I can do about it :( |
| 20:02.05 | Dagmar | To make people pay the full amount up front tho, that's questionable |
| 20:02.07 | Fisker | you can |
| 20:02.22 | Dagmar | I know _they're_ not paying the full amount, or they wouldn't be making any profit selling it to people |
| 20:02.24 | Fisker | and the special edition were always on sale from day one on steam |
| 20:02.25 | olafski | if I buy a game in a store it'll be about 60 euro, so I always buy online +) |
| 20:02.50 | Ackis | Fisker: not the edition that comes with statues and whatnot |
| 20:02.52 | Dagmar | Steam carried SC2? |
| 20:03.02 | Fisker | oh Ackis |
| 20:03.10 | Fisker | i could've told you that as well |
| 20:03.27 | Fisker | if there's an edition of the game on steam that gives dlc and what not, then there will be a "better" version in retail |
| 20:04.03 | Fisker | anyway you can just have them refund it and get the special edition |
| 20:04.48 | Dagmar | Shirik: I suspect that guy has played FAR too many video games |
| 20:04.57 | Shirik | who? |
| 20:05.48 | Dagmar | The dude who posted his "secret" on the FBI WP page |
| 20:05.54 | Dagmar | *wackjob* |
| 20:06.06 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:06.24 | Shirik | back to work |
| 20:06.36 | Fisker | anyway Ackis i thought you should boycott civ 5 |
| 20:06.40 | Dagmar | http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/RhysHovey/20100609/5332/The_SOLID_history_of_COMMODORE_64_ARMY_GAMES_SS_TC_TI_TM_TM.php |
| 20:06.46 | Ackis | why Fisker? steamworks? |
| 20:06.49 | Dagmar | _Complete nutter_ |
| 20:06.52 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:07.15 | Jamash | oh yeah, ray people |
| 20:07.21 | Jamash | it's a well-known phenomenon |
| 20:07.36 | Dagmar | If by that you mean "people who've lost their damn minds" then yes, I would agree. |
| 20:08.00 | Dagmar | I expect more from my conspiracy nuts, like a theory that will hold up to scrutiny better than a wet napkin |
| 20:08.13 | Jamash | yeah, in the old days they would be haunted or a witch would be doing it or they'd be possessed by a demon |
| 20:08.21 | Jamash | now it's cia satellites |
| 20:08.33 | Dagmar | No, there's way better conspiracy theories about satellites |
| 20:09.03 | airtonix | wanna bet ? |
| 20:09.09 | amro | "Within months of the September 11 attacks in 2001, FBI Director Robert Mueller, who had only been sworn in 1 week before the attacks, called for a re-engineering of FBI structure and operations. In turn, he made countering every federal crime a top priority" |
| 20:09.15 | amro | as opposed to the FBI's other priorities? |
| 20:09.17 | Dagmar | Amusingly, I used to hang out with a paranoid and we'd sit around looking for ways to link various conspiracy theories together just to get people on shortwave all wound up over them |
| 20:09.21 | Dagmar | That dude on WP is just a loon |
| 20:09.32 | Jamash | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Tin_foil_hat |
| 20:09.59 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 20:10.05 | Dagmar | Hell we managed to link Nixon to the Illuminati in a semi-convinving way one laaaate night |
| 20:10.11 | Dagmar | er semi-convincing |
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| 20:10.53 | amro | I can link Kotick to a sexual harrassment lawsuit |
| 20:10.57 | amro | oh wait that really happened |
| 20:11.04 | Dagmar | The general idea being to find a way to link all conspiracy theories from the death of Jesus to modern-day |
| 20:11.11 | Dagmar | amro: hahaha |
| 20:11.44 | Jamash | so this "new launcher" appears to run the same blizzard downloader as the old launcher |
| 20:11.47 | Dagmar | It's almost a shame the "professional" crazies all seem to have left shortwave |
| 20:12.18 | Dagmar | There was one guy who did a nightly show and whenever he had signal problems it _had_ to be some arm of the shadow government jamming his signal |
| 20:12.24 | Lunessa | They have the internet now. |
| 20:12.39 | Dagmar | Yeah but shortwave audio noise makes things sound so much cooler |
| 20:13.00 | amro | Dagmar: I wouldn't be surprised if a shadowy government agnecy listening in jammed him just to fuck with him |
| 20:13.07 | olafski | of course they've left, they can't receive the waves anymore because of the tinfoil hat |
| 20:13.07 | Dagmar | Plus, in the 90's you didn't exactly get a decent internet connection from your van |
| 20:13.20 | Dagmar | amro: I'm completely with you there |
| 20:13.35 | Dagmar | I can imagine some CIA guys having a drink or two and firing up a signal jammer for laffs |
| 20:13.45 | Jamash | I think I got trolled by blizzard :( |
| 20:14.00 | Lunessa | Meh - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vf3VzVbrXU |
| 20:14.05 | Lunessa | Laugh, clowns, laugh! |
| 20:14.20 | airtonix | <.< |
| 20:15.02 | alestane | Random Lua question: are there any side effects to setting a table as the __newindex value on its own metatable? |
| 20:15.24 | Dagmar | Lunessa: *BOOKMARKED* |
| 20:15.59 | Ackis | Jamash: it's not out yet |
| 20:16.09 | Jamash | yeah I just figured that out |
| 20:16.09 | Lunessa | Dagmar: don't pull your penis out unless you really need to, indecent exposure is a class II felony. |
| 20:16.12 | Jamash | :( |
| 20:16.20 | cog|work | having worked at a movie theater three different times i wholeheartedly approve |
| 20:16.34 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Thankfully that wasn't something the original animation said |
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| 20:18.44 | cog|work | so i found out my crazy conspiracy nut family member who's trying to build a free energy car and thinks you're immune to income tax if you don't use zip codes is on the no fly list ... |
| 20:18.46 | Shirik_ | normally I'm very happy about all of VS's warnings |
| 20:18.51 | cog|work | somehow i'm not surprised |
| 20:18.54 | Shirik_ | however I found the worst warning ever |
| 20:18.56 | Dagmar | cog: Dude, I suspect if people were whipping it out, it's _the specific theater_ that was the problem |
| 20:18.58 | Shirik_ | C4250 |
| 20:19.14 | cog|work | Dagmar: not in the least |
| 20:19.20 | cog|work | never sit in the back row |
| 20:19.21 | cog|work | ever |
| 20:19.40 | nevcairiel | so Shirik_, multiple inheritance annoying you right now ? :d |
| 20:19.46 | Shirik_ | no |
| 20:19.49 | Shirik_ | I'm doing everything right |
| 20:19.50 | Dagmar | Maybe people are different there. I worked in a theater one summer in I think 1990. Not a single bit of someone whipping it out |
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| 20:19.58 | Shirik_ | and VS is all like "omfg you're using multiple inheritance it must be bad!!! |
| 20:20.15 | Shirik_ | how dare I use the features of the language... |
| 20:20.23 | cog|work | Dagmar: i worked in the projection booth from time to time. any time people are in the dark with no one obviously watching it gets... interesting |
| 20:20.33 | nevcairiel | name collisions are evil no matter what |
| 20:20.34 | Dagmar | Granted, the people in that part of town were a little bit timid... We had *one* X-Rated movie for all of two days |
| 20:20.44 | Shirik_ | it's not even a name collision |
| 20:20.48 | cog|work | the movie being shown is irrelevant. |
| 20:20.52 | Shirik_ | it just happens to be that I inherited the same interface from two different places |
| 20:20.54 | nevcairiel | the error description claims it would be |
| 20:21.03 | Dagmar | 23 people paid. 18 asked for their money back before the film was over, and 8 of those people used some pretty strong language |
| 20:21.23 | Dagmar | Although since it was The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover I can totally understand that |
| 20:21.26 | Dagmar | It was awful |
| 20:21.49 | cog|work | Dagmar: at least they asked BEFORE the film was over... |
| 20:21.59 | Dagmar | I couldn't even sit through it |
| 20:22.04 | Jamash | multiple inheritance = code incest |
| 20:22.13 | alestane | So it was X-Rated because it might scar peoples' artistic sensibilities for life? |
| 20:22.31 | Dagmar | It was x-rated because of a few scenes that were just horrible |
| 20:23.26 | Dagmar | I think the ratings bureau could have given it an 'R', but with that many people pissed off, someone would have gone after the director with a molotov cocktail or something |
| 20:23.38 | alestane | Speakig of just horrible, this is the first time I've heard of discrimination this severe in this setting: http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/indiana_hospital_says_no_transgender_patients_allowed |
| 20:24.18 | alestane | WARNING: article may cause spitting and frothing. |
| 20:24.39 | Dagmar | They'll get sued and that will be the end of that |
| 20:24.49 | Dagmar | That'll be easy money for some laywer |
| 20:25.44 | Shirik_ | omfg |
| 20:25.44 | alestane | Now we just hope that no-one is killed or maimed first. |
| 20:25.53 | Shirik_ | it's not what you think of as multiple inheritance |
| 20:25.56 | Shirik_ | it's the same thing you can do in Java |
| 20:26.01 | Shirik_ | multiple interfaces, that's all |
| 20:26.24 | alestane | I don't think C++ distinguishes between the two. |
| 20:26.31 | nevcairiel | it doesn't have to |
| 20:26.45 | nevcairiel | a pure abstract class is just an interface |
| 20:26.45 | Shirik_ | exactly |
| 20:27.01 | Shirik_ | but for some reason people here are like "omg multiple inheritance bad" |
| 20:27.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | diamonds are forever |
| 20:27.17 | Jamash | It's just like GOTO |
| 20:27.32 | Shirik_ | so like |
| 20:27.36 | Jamash | It can be used safely, in a limited set of circumstances. |
| 20:27.38 | nevcairiel | multiple inheritance can be rather bad, if you really use it, and not just inherit interfaces :p |
| 20:27.39 | Kraps | Ariel has to be the best firefly episode |
| 20:27.42 | Dagmar | Shirik: Those people are loons alright |
| 20:27.56 | Dagmar | I don't even see the _sense_ in stopping at one level of inheritance |
| 20:28.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | virtual base classes - just say no |
| 20:28.17 | Shirik_ | wrong |
| 20:28.18 | Jamash | for example, in some languages GOTO is the only way to easily escape from a nested loop |
| 20:28.25 | Shirik_ | what if you have an interface that extends an interface? |
| 20:28.30 | Dagmar | Jamash: BAD |
| 20:28.37 | Shirik_ | (like I do) |
| 20:28.40 | Dagmar | GOTO is _EBIL_ |
| 20:28.43 | nevcairiel | Shirik_: single inheritance languages deal with that just fine |
| 20:28.48 | Shirik_ | exactly |
| 20:28.50 | Shirik_ | and so does C++ |
| 20:28.54 | Mihau | alestane: That makes me have a sad. D: |
| 20:28.56 | Shirik_ | yet for some reason everyone is on my case for doing this |
| 20:28.58 | nevcairiel | apparently not so much :D |
| 20:29.05 | Shirik_ | C++ is doing it fine |
| 20:29.14 | Jamash | They shouldn't be on your case for using multiple inheritance |
| 20:29.15 | Shirik_ | visual studio is just going "omg warning! I see multiple inheritance!" |
| 20:29.19 | alestane | I actually do think that the conceptual separation of inherited implementations and implemented interfaces is useful. |
| 20:29.21 | Jamash | they should be on your case for using C++ |
| 20:29.38 | cog|work | goto is only evil if you use it evilly |
| 20:29.49 | cog|work | there's nothing wrong with the fact that you can use it to break from inner loops |
| 20:29.55 | nevcairiel | meh, i'm using alot of c++ these days, working with directshow <.< |
| 20:30.15 | alestane | Breaking across scopes is the touchy part, I think. |
| 20:30.17 | Dagmar | cog: Except the language now has some variables that it never knows to do away with |
| 20:30.27 | Dagmar | s/language/code/; |
| 20:30.45 | nevcairiel | i'm also actually using goto for proper resource releases when the function is supposed to fail and quit |
| 20:30.59 | alestane | Breaking out of stack frames changes in particular. |
| 20:31.00 | Dagmar | I'll take break over goto any day of the week |
| 20:31.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | gotos make nice error handlers in procedural code |
| 20:31.10 | Shirik_ | like |
| 20:31.13 | Shirik_ | what I hate most about this warning |
| 20:31.21 | Shirik_ | is basically the warning is "If you did something else, it would be an error" |
| 20:31.26 | Shirik_ | well, no shit. But I'm not. |
| 20:31.27 | nevcairiel | pragma it away and dont bother us anymore! |
| 20:31.31 | Jamash | ^ |
| 20:31.34 | Dagmar | sylvanaar: I'll give you that one, provided the next stop after that is to simply exit and call it a day |
| 20:31.36 | Shirik_ | THAT is evil |
| 20:31.44 | Shirik_ | there should always be a way to fix your code, not disable warnings |
| 20:31.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | exit(0) |
| 20:31.53 | Lunessa | oh god please, make the stupid stop! /dies from user's being obtuse/stupid/malicious |
| 20:32.00 | zenzelezz | I pragma out most of Shirik's coding talk |
| 20:32.24 | alestane | Stupid in the water supply today, Lunessa? |
| 20:32.50 | Jamash | it's perfectly acceptable to pragma out a warning when you know exactly what's causing it and why it's ok |
| 20:33.53 | amro | pragmas are bad |
| 20:34.05 | zenzelezz | depends on the pragma |
| 20:34.06 | Dagmar | Diamond problems are things that trip up lazy coders |
| 20:34.34 | amro | they're not standard |
| 20:34.40 | amro | ergo, they can gtfo |
| 20:35.00 | amro | you can suppress warnings via cmdline flags |
| 20:35.10 | Jamash | are those standard? |
| 20:35.11 | zenzelezz | that's no different |
| 20:35.15 | amro | no, but those aren't in the source code |
| 20:35.20 | Jamash | ... |
| 20:35.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | yes, that way you can avoid putting a comment explaining why |
| 20:35.26 | Jamash | a distinction without a difference |
| 20:35.33 | amro | a distinction with a major difference |
| 20:35.38 | amro | if you put pragmas, gcc will complain |
| 20:35.49 | Dagmar | sylvanaar: Because you would rather it be a suprise for someone later? ;) |
| 20:35.53 | nevcairiel | If you're writing code thats always going to be compiled with msvc .. |
| 20:35.53 | zenzelezz | fuck GCC |
| 20:35.57 | amro | if your build script passes the proper flags to whatever compiler, you get no such bs |
| 20:35.58 | Jamash | no u |
| 20:36.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | i was being sarcastic |
| 20:36.06 | Jamash | build scripts are source code |
| 20:36.09 | Dagmar | OOh oky. heheh |
| 20:36.28 | nevcairiel | like me, directshow things, good luck ever compiling that with gcc even without me using pragma :D |
| 20:36.32 | amro | there are no standards governing build scripts |
| 20:36.36 | Jamash | you're just moving the issue from one place to another |
| 20:36.47 | amro | no, it's not an issue in my build scripts |
| 20:37.01 | amro | I can put compiler-specific directives there |
| 20:37.09 | Fisker | bawww cog|work |
| 20:37.10 | Dagmar | Just cat all the files together and feed them to GCC at once |
| 20:37.12 | Jamash | you can put compiler-specific directives in source too |
| 20:37.14 | Fisker | i caught a mosquito in the act |
| 20:37.15 | amro | but my C++ does not care whta compiler is chewing it |
| 20:37.19 | Dagmar | It gives the optimizer more to work with, right? ;) |
| 20:37.49 | nevcairiel | meh, at some point you'll have some #ifdef'ed compiler specific things either way |
| 20:37.52 | amro | putting compiler specific stuff confuses other coders that use a different compiler (if there are any) |
| 20:37.58 | nevcairiel | stupid differences beyond C standards :p |
| 20:37.59 | amro | again if it's for your eyes only there are really no rules |
| 20:38.09 | amro | you can break every standard in the world |
| 20:38.37 | Jamash | I fail to see your point. |
| 20:38.42 | Dagmar | ...until it makes your monitor explode and put shards of flaming phosphor-coated glass into your EYES. |
| 20:38.51 | Jamash | It's okay to do bad things in once place but not another place? |
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| 20:39.04 | amro | no, there's nothing wrong with directives in build scripts |
| 20:39.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | that sounds like an ethical question |
| 20:39.18 | Dagmar | Just makes 'em a wee bit less portable |
| 20:39.18 | amro | not at all |
| 20:39.26 | amro | yep |
| 20:39.35 | amro | "wrong" does not imply world-ending evil |
| 20:39.40 | amro | it just means it's not the best thing to do |
| 20:39.56 | Dagmar | Like that concatenating thing I mentioned earlier |
| 20:40.13 | Dagmar | It works, most of the time, but very easily GCC will laugh at you after eating all your RAM and swap |
| 20:40.32 | amro | some pragmas are downright bad |
| 20:40.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | i use #pragma comment(lib, "somelib") like crazy |
| 20:40.35 | amro | like #pragma once |
| 20:41.39 | amro | I used to use that because I hated MSVC's project properties menu |
| 20:41.45 | Dagmar | I like the way perl handles multiple inheritances |
| 20:41.47 | amro | but now I let build scripts take care of it |
| 20:42.13 | Dagmar | Some parents are just a little more parent than other parents. :) |
| 20:42.32 | amro | sounds like an argument against homosexual parents |
| 20:42.45 | Dagmar | ...but it BEATS GUESSING, or god forbid letting internal hash entries duke it out |
| 20:44.54 | Dagmar | mebbe three |
| 20:46.44 | Shirik_ | [13:36] <amro> there are no standards governing build scripts |
| 20:46.46 | Shirik_ | sure there are |
| 20:46.50 | Shirik_ | "don't use configure/automake" |
| 20:47.00 | Shirik_ | that's my standard |
| 20:48.30 | Dagmar | Sadist. |
| 20:49.16 | Niv | heh |
| 20:49.25 | Niv | autotools are pretty brutal to maintain over time |
| 20:51.18 | nevcairiel | how can build scripts replace #pragma once? |
| 20:51.36 | nevcairiel | usually scripts dont control what headers your stuff loads |
| 20:51.44 | Dagmar | Niv: Not having them makes porting even more brutal tho |
| 20:52.04 | Niv | Dagmar: Having done a lot of porting w/ autotools, I can say it's often a wash :) |
| 20:52.34 | Dagmar | Well, it's been good to me |
| 20:52.54 | Dagmar | I've had things work on bizarre unix flavors I'd never have expected they would |
| 20:53.07 | Niv | the bitch is that they don't like to maintain forward or backward compat w/ autoconf/automake |
| 20:53.20 | Dagmar | Oh definitely |
| 20:53.23 | Niv | if you can lock in specific autoconf/automake versions on all platforms, it's alright |
| 20:53.31 | Niv | but if you don't have that option, it's a serious PITA |
| 20:54.04 | Niv | but the cost/benefits depends on the platforms involved, and the complexity of your codebase |
| 20:54.05 | Jamash | yeah designing a system to make building stuff easier and then breaking compatibility every version strikes me as pretty dumb |
| 20:54.27 | Niv | opensource projects don't always make great sense ;) |
| 20:54.28 | Dagmar | Well, at least the autotools will generally build on the target unless you're screwed before you begin |
| 20:54.51 | Shirik_ | my point about autotools is that it has made developers lazy |
| 20:54.52 | Jamash | at the very least they should have made provisions for having multiple versions installed at the same time without causing major headaches |
| 20:54.54 | yoshimo | if you play on a european wow client, is there a way to get it to support kyrillic and korean and chinese letters? |
| 20:55.08 | Dagmar | Jamash: That they do |
| 20:55.11 | Shirik_ | their code has become so inherently coupled to everything that we now need these build scripts to be able to figure out wtf to do |
| 20:55.14 | Niv | it's just not always an option to tell someone to get the "right" version of the tool |
| 20:55.17 | Niv | (for me) |
| 20:55.29 | Shirik_ | of course |
| 20:55.32 | Jamash | Dagmar: well, last time I paid any attention to this stuff they hadn't |
| 20:55.36 | Shirik_ | if everyone would stop using C this might be less of an issue |
| 20:55.39 | Dagmar | It's been sorted |
| 20:55.42 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:55.55 | Dagmar | There was some GNOME stuff that would make you hate life because of that around 1.4 days |
| 20:56.37 | Dagmar | Now you can have a bunch of versions of them installed at once (excepting the really old versions you shoudlnt' eb using anyway) |
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| 21:00.35 | Ackis | must |
| 21:00.42 | Ackis | failing... |
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| 21:03.59 | Jamash | so apparently windows GTK+ apps don't respond properly to events sent by AutoHotKey |
| 21:04.06 | Jamash | this makes me a sad panda |
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| 21:11.56 | Ackis | http://twitpic.com/2bc6jx derp |
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| 21:16.33 | Shirik_ | there is someone running around my office saying "victory lap! 2 bugs closed!" |
| 21:16.47 | PProvost | lol |
| 21:16.53 | nicoli_s | *cough* http://www.sc2replayed.com/ *endcough* |
| 21:17.27 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 21:18.28 | Ackis | wait nicoli_s I forgot to turn my head |
| 21:18.52 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:18.57 | Shadowed | Those numbers differ a bit from what I have :p |
| 21:19.03 | Shadowed | Although I'm not parsing direct replays |
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| 21:19.11 | Shadowed | and also factoring in randoms |
| 21:19.21 | nicoli_s | this is from a small pool of data |
| 21:19.37 | nicoli_s | we had like 10k replays from the beta, but since you cant watch them anymore, we decided to remove them |
| 21:19.57 | Shadowed | 34% Terran, 35% Protoss, 19% zerg, 9% random is what I have over 410k characters |
| 21:20.04 | Shadowed | but thats from armory scraping |
| 21:21.10 | Ackis | why no zerg? |
| 21:21.23 | olafski | they ugly |
| 21:21.24 | Shadowed | dunno |
| 21:21.44 | Shadowed | just the numbers I have from doing SC2 rankings: https://gist.github.com/18bf8c24790a8d786760 |
| 21:21.57 | Spejnar | zerg ftw! WOOOO |
| 21:22.09 | Shadowed | also you should pick different icons nicoli_s for races :P |
| 21:22.18 | Shadowed | it's hard to see them on the dark blue background |
| 21:22.31 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 21:22.39 | Fisker | herro |
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| 21:23.09 | olafski | all I got was "you need to enable javascript for this site" :P |
| 21:25.56 | Ackis | nicoli_s: ^ |
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| 21:28.06 | Shadowed | the Blizzard icons work pretty well thought :P |
| 21:28.09 | Shadowed | despite them being blue |
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| 21:37.07 | Shadowed | actually speaking of icons, how easy is the league icon to see for: http://sc2ranks.com/char/eu/239442/Gruang |
| 21:37.18 | Shadowed | not sure if I'm just blind but they seem kind of obscureish to me |
| 21:38.22 | nicoli_s | league icons look good to me |
| 21:39.06 | nicoli_s | cool site btw |
| 21:39.17 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 21:39.22 | Shadowed | if only parsing SC2 armory didn't make me hate myself |
| 21:39.41 | nicoli_s | i feel ya on that one, i hate screen scraping with a passion |
| 21:39.49 | Shadowed | No, it's worst than that :P |
| 21:39.54 | nicoli_s | ? |
| 21:39.57 | Shadowed | The divisions page will randomly swap players names but not their ids sometimes |
| 21:40.02 | nicoli_s | ewww |
| 21:43.03 | Kraps | what do "expansions" in the context of sc2 MP mean? |
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| 21:43.25 | Xyphoid | making a new command centre to mine somewhere else |
| 21:43.32 | nicoli_s | kraps:they havent said |
| 21:44.11 | Shirik_ | at least more campaigns |
| 21:44.23 | Ackis | SC2 was split into three games |
| 21:44.26 | Kraps | what Xyphoid said :) |
| 21:44.35 | Ackis | announced (and booed) at Blizzcon 2k8 |
| 21:44.44 | Kraps | heh |
| 21:44.52 | Xyphoid | yes i had to read one of those sc glossaries |
| 21:44.54 | Ackis | I remember it well |
| 21:45.00 | Ackis | I was with cog|work at the time I think |
| 21:47.08 | Fisker | lol |
| 21:47.16 | Fisker | sc2 trilogy wasn't booed |
| 21:47.34 | Fisker | most people with more than half a brain cheered etc. |
| 21:47.58 | Kraps | would $30 each be ok for the rest? |
| 21:48.46 | Ackis | Fisker: yes it was, when they announced the game was split into three instead of one booing occured :P the majority of people booed |
| 21:49.04 | Fisker | no they didn't |
| 21:49.17 | Ackis | were you there? |
| 21:49.18 | Ackis | :P |
| 21:49.21 | zenzelezz | if the zerg and protoss campaigns are as expansive as the terran, I have no qualms paying $50 for each |
| 21:49.56 | Kraps | zenzelezz: thing is, this game has the multiplayer parts too |
| 21:50.14 | Kraps | the zerg and protoss campaigns are just that, campaigns |
| 21:50.40 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19qSBOZ8bM#t=3m30s |
| 21:50.46 | Fisker | thank you for playing Ackis |
| 21:50.50 | zenzelezz | I couldn't care less about the multiplayer |
| 21:51.42 | Ackis | l2keynote |
| 21:52.13 | Fisker | madcuzbad? |
| 21:52.14 | Ackis | that doesn't sound like Mike Morhaime |
| 21:52.35 | zenzelezz | I was also very impressed that they actually used "couldn't care less" in SC2 dialogue |
| 21:52.45 | Ackis | oh look, I'm Fisker, I pulled a random video about something not related to conversation derp |
| 21:52.49 | Kraps | so there was a keynote and this? |
| 21:52.53 | Fisker | awww Ackis |
| 21:52.57 | Fisker | so madcuzbad |
| 21:53.09 | Ackis | Kraps: keynote is the first "speech" of the event |
| 21:53.14 | Kraps | oh |
| 21:54.23 | Kraps | maybe by this announcement people had time to consider all the options and figured this was the best one |
| 21:57.12 | Jerub | i'm going to bet that there's 'extra' multiplayer stuff in zerg and protoss releases |
| 21:57.19 | Jerub | like SC2/broodwar. |
| 21:57.56 | Jerub | broodwar represented a huge number of sales of SC to blizzard becaseu it was no longer 3 CDs/8 player game. it was 1 CD/player |
| 21:58.07 | Jerub | s/SC2/SC/ |
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| 22:03.00 | Fisker | There Ackis |
| 22:03.04 | Fisker | done watching the keynote too |
| 22:03.21 | Fisker | He doesn't mention the triology, but says they have an announcement regarding singleplayer |
| 22:03.25 | Fisker | wonder what that could be |
| 22:03.27 | Fisker | derp derp derp |
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| 22:03.37 | Fisker | Oh and they didn't boo over that either |
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| 22:12.31 | Shirik_ | :( |
| 22:12.37 | Shirik_ | cog|work: I want a reference to a reference in C++ |
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| 22:18.17 | zenzelezz | Tyler's not here |
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| 22:23.53 | nicoli_s | hey Shadowed:are you going to offer any sort of api for getting your data from sc2ranks? |
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| 22:26.40 | Shadowed | nicoli_s what sort of data? |
| 22:26.52 | Shadowed | I don't right now, but it's not hard for me to toss something together |
| 22:34.45 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: when you going to start on the RDR multiplayer achievements? |
| 22:38.13 | nicoli_s | shadowed:maybe like showing win/loss ratio for a player or something like that |
| 22:38.44 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 22:38.56 | Shadowed | One problem with that is I'm not sure how you would identify people, I don't think you have the internal battle.net id they use for the armory? |
| 22:39.07 | Shadowed | http://sc2ranks.com/char/eu/238201/1/ValeR the 238201 part |
| 22:39.17 | nicoli_s | i think we might be able to get it from the replays actually |
| 22:39.28 | Shadowed | Not the friends code thought |
| 22:39.34 | nicoli_s | you sure? |
| 22:39.42 | Shadowed | Yea the 238201 isn't the 3 digit friends code |
| 22:39.52 | Shadowed | You might be able to get it from the replays, but I'm not sure |
| 22:40.03 | nicoli_s | ahh well im almost 100% positive i can get that actually |
| 22:40.17 | nicoli_s | ive seen that number in the replays before, wasnt sure what it was for |
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| 22:41.01 | nicoli_s | lemme verify that rq |
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| 22:44.24 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 22:44.26 | Fisker | internet rumors |
| 22:46.45 | nicoli_s | sweet found it! |
| 22:46.57 | nicoli_s | so yeah shadowed i can get that value for each player in the replay |
| 22:46.57 | Shadowed | Interesting |
| 22:47.00 | Shadowed | kk |
| 22:47.06 | Shadowed | What info, win/loss for every team or a specific bracket of theirs? |
| 22:47.31 | nicoli_s | hmm, maybe just min/loss info in general, and we could decide what to do with it on our side |
| 22:47.56 | Kraps | nicoli_s: is your website up? |
| 22:48.38 | nicoli_s | yep |
| 22:48.59 | nicoli_s | http://www.sc2replayed.com/ |
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| 22:51.30 | nicoli_s | fuck yeah, thanks for mentioning this to me shadowed :) |
| 22:51.36 | Shadowed | :P |
| 22:51.39 | nicoli_s | i can now link players in replays to their bnet |
| 22:51.41 | nicoli_s | fuck yeah! |
| 22:51.57 | Shadowed | fyi you also need to account for the /1/ or /2/ in the URL |
| 22:52.03 | nicoli_s | yep, thats there too |
| 22:52.12 | Shadowed | huh really? |
| 22:52.13 | Shadowed | weird |
| 22:53.03 | nicoli_s | well id just assume, the number after my 6 digit number was a 1, and its a 1 in my bnet page |
| 22:53.18 | Shadowed | when you say after, you mean after in a separate thing |
| 22:53.21 | Shadowed | or literally at the end of the number |
| 22:53.26 | nicoli_s | the next variable |
| 22:53.31 | Shadowed | yea |
| 22:53.47 | Shadowed | If it's 2 for LA and TW it's the right one |
| 22:53.55 | Shadowed | I have no idea what it actually is for thought |
| 22:53.58 | nicoli_s | ill have to check those replays to be sure |
| 22:54.05 | nicoli_s | but i wouldnt be surprised one bit |
| 22:55.33 | Shadowed | oh it plugs into curse login |
| 22:55.37 | Shadowed | that explains why I'm logged in |
| 22:55.43 | nicoli_s | yep |
| 22:55.48 | Shadowed | oh hey |
| 22:55.54 | Shadowed | I didn't realize Blizzard passes friends code in the battle.net thing |
| 22:56.05 | nicoli_s | yeah me neither |
| 22:56.17 | Shadowed | just randomly saw it mousing over portrait |
| 22:56.28 | nicoli_s | heh same |
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| 23:05.28 | Shadowed | If you find a way to link to the profile page on sc2ranks, I can toss people to sc2replays in the profiles if you give me a page I can access with the bnet_id/region nicoli_s :P |
| 23:05.30 | Shadowed | but brb |
| 23:07.00 | Dashkal | Random regex question: How do you specify that a pattern should match when a string is NOT present at the start? |
| 23:08.12 | Arrowmaster | well you cant do it with lua |
| 23:08.23 | Dashkal | I mean in PCRE |
| 23:08.42 | Dashkal | Trying to write an apache rewrite rule to add a prefix to the url if and only if it's not already there. |
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| 23:10.18 | nicoli_s | sounds good shadowed |
| 23:10.34 | nicoli_s | we should have bnet and you linking done by the end of the week, shouldnt be too much work |
| 23:12.26 | Shirik_ | Dashkal: How about ^.+ |
| 23:12.39 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: try this |
| 23:12.41 | Arrowmaster | RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^example\.com$ [NC] |
| 23:12.41 | Arrowmaster | RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.example.com/$1 [R=301,L] |
| 23:13.06 | Dashkal | I have that for adding a domain prefix. What I need is http://www.example.com/foo -> http://www.example.com/en/fop |
| 23:13.10 | Dashkal | s/fop/foo |
| 23:13.57 | Dashkal | So I'm trying to match REQUEST_URI when it does NOT begin with /en |
| 23:14.08 | Arrowmaster | just do something like !^en/ |
| 23:14.26 | Arrowmaster | or is it !^/en/ |
| 23:14.40 | Dashkal | !^? Not familiar with that construct. Danke |
| 23:15.27 | Shirik_ | or ^.+ |
| 23:15.29 | Shirik_ | like I said earlier |
| 23:15.45 | Shirik_ | anyway, this has got to be the best C++ example I've seen yet |
| 23:15.52 | Shirik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.56 | Shirik_ | http://www.parashift.com/c%2B%2B-faq-lite/proper-inheritance.html#faq-21.2 |
| 23:16.10 | cog|work | i wonder if they named cogwheel slots cogwheel slots so that when you search "cogwheel wow" you won't get me anymore... /tinfoilhat |
| 23:16.11 | Dashkal | Wouldn't ^.+ match on any non-empty string? In this case any since they always start with / |
| 23:16.18 | Shadowed | nicoli_s kk let me know when you do |
| 23:16.36 | Shirik_ | Obviously I meant ^.+ followed by whatever you wanted to match |
| 23:16.44 | Shadowed | Are you sure you aren't just giving him random emotes |
| 23:16.46 | Shadowed | to mess with him Shirik_ |
| 23:16.49 | Shirik_ | You said you don't want it to be the start |
| 23:16.55 | Shirik_ | I said ^.+ will enforce it's not the start |
| 23:17.03 | Dashkal | That's just it, I'm negating. I don't care what comes after except to capture it and repeat it with the prefix prepended |
| 23:17.20 | Shirik_ | ? |
| 23:17.30 | Dashkal | http://www.example.com/foo -> http://www.example.com/en/foo |
| 23:17.39 | Dashkal | for any foo |
| 23:17.43 | Shirik_ | You asked a question, I gave you an answer |
| 23:17.45 | nicoli_s | will do shadowed |
| 23:17.50 | Shirik_ | The opposite of ^ is ^.+ |
| 23:18.09 | Dashkal | *nods* I misunderstood. |
| 23:18.18 | Dashkal | Looking into that syntax. I _really_ hate pcre... |
| 23:18.29 | Shirik_ | Well it's not by design |
| 23:18.32 | Shirik_ | it just is by logic |
| 23:18.45 | Shirik_ | if it's not the beginning of the string, the beginning must be followed by something followed by your pattern |
| 23:19.36 | Dashkal | So ^.+en will match anything that doesn't start with en? |
| 23:19.57 | Shadowed | nicoli_s json or xml |
| 23:19.59 | Fisker | goodbye Shirik_ |
| 23:20.05 | nicoli_s | json would be best |
| 23:20.13 | Shadowed | that's also the easiest! |
| 23:20.17 | Shirik_ | wait |
| 23:20.24 | Shirik_ | you're saying you don't want to match en? |
| 23:20.31 | Shirik_ | not you want to match en but not at the start? |
| 23:21.21 | Dashkal | See the urls I gave. The point is to enforce starting with /en |
| 23:21.35 | Shirik_ | probably the best way to do that is ^(?>!en) |
| 23:21.41 | Shirik_ | that means "does not start with en" |
| 23:21.45 | Dashkal | ?>! |
| 23:21.51 | Dashkal | Ok, that makes more sense. |
| 23:22.01 | Shirik_ | wait |
| 23:22.02 | Shirik_ | sorry |
| 23:22.26 | Shirik_ | it's (?!en) |
| 23:22.32 | Shirik_ | ^(?!en) |
| 23:22.35 | Shirik_ | no > |
| 23:22.57 | Dashkal | (?<!foo)bar looks like the right idea... |
| 23:23.07 | Dashkal | no < at all, ok, lesse if that works |
| 23:23.27 | Jamash | try reading the docs |
| 23:23.35 | Shirik_ | (?<!) is the other direction |
| 23:23.39 | Shirik_ | that is, look backwards |
| 23:23.48 | Shirik_ | that makes no sense from the beginning :) |
| 23:24.01 | Jamash | you want (?!en) |
| 23:24.15 | Jamash | it's a zero-width negative look-ahead assertion |
| 23:24.37 | Shirik_ | [16:22] <@Shirik_> ^(?!en) |
| 23:24.46 | Jamash | yes but I'm not guessing |
| 23:24.51 | Shirik_ | neither am I? |
| 23:25.06 | Dashkal | There, found it in the manpage. Does not help that less uses regex searches when searching for regex syntax |
| 23:25.13 | Jamash | could have fooled me |
| 23:25.22 | Shirik_ | oh god |
| 23:25.24 | Dashkal | Thank you very much for the help. Regex is annoying |
| 23:25.25 | Shirik_ | how dare I make a mistake |
| 23:25.35 | Shirik_ | apologies, I will go commit seppuku now |
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| 23:25.57 | Jamash | can I have your stuff? |
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| 23:31.18 | Cide | no |
| 23:31.23 | Cide | the will says they're mine |
| 23:32.24 | warz | hi all. im trying to start simple with my addon, and just have it display the name of the next upcoming boss in a raid dungeon - similar to DXE. i've been looking for potential APIs to help me in this, and i've come across UnitExists. |
| 23:32.31 | warz | does anyone know if this is how DXE does this? |
| 23:32.37 | warz | or if there's a better way to do this? |
| 23:32.49 | Jamash | best way to find out is download DXE and look at the source |
| 23:33.08 | Shirik_ | is this your first addon? |
| 23:33.51 | warz | well, its what i want to do with my first addon, yea |
| 23:34.09 | warz | ive written several small ones while learning, but they dont do much |
| 23:34.27 | Jamash | UnitExists is meant to be used with unit ids like "player", "party3", "pettarget" etc |
| 23:34.40 | Shirik_ | this problem is going to be very difficult to impossible to do automatically |
| 23:34.49 | Shirik_ | simply because the information is not there |
| 23:35.02 | Cide | eh |
| 23:35.08 | Jamash | You would have to have a database of dungeon bosses and watch the combat log for death messages |
| 23:35.11 | Cide | you can use map coordinates |
| 23:35.22 | Jamash | or that |
| 23:35.30 | warz | hrm. dxe does it somehow. perhaps it'd be easier to just wait for combat to begin and figure out who i'm in combat with? |
| 23:35.39 | Shirik_ | warz: You are assuming it does it automatically |
| 23:35.44 | Shirik_ | yes |
| 23:35.56 | Shirik_ | it's also far easier just to make a database |
| 23:36.02 | Shirik_ | which I'm almost positive any sane addon would do |
| 23:36.14 | warz | no i know it doesn't just happen. i realize there's something dxe is doing to know the next boss. was just wondering what it was. heh |
| 23:36.20 | warz | ok |
| 23:36.33 | Cide | there are tons of possible ways to go about it, none of them great |
| 23:36.59 | Jamash | what does DXE do when there are multiple possible "next boss"es? |
| 23:37.25 | warz | idk. seems to be correctly usually. |
| 23:37.34 | warz | probably uses coordinates. |
| 23:37.46 | warz | since while walking through voa i dont think it updates until youre close to one. |
| 23:37.56 | warz | yet while in icc it knows morrowgar is first |
| 23:38.01 | warz | at the entrance |
| 23:38.02 | Xyphoid | well, there's no choice there |
| 23:38.11 | Xyphoid | what if you're standing at the rotface/festergut intersection |
| 23:38.20 | warz | coordinates there, too |
| 23:38.44 | warz | im guessing, anyways. i dont know how much area coordinates span. heh |
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| 23:43.39 | Shadowed | nicoli_s: http://sc2ranks.com/api/char/us/693604/IdrA or http://sc2ranks.com/api/char/us/693604/IdrA?jsonp=foobar |
| 23:44.01 | Shadowed | {"error" => "no_character"} if no data is found on a character yet, it'll queue them to get data if that's the case thought so next request should have all the info |
| 23:45.06 | Kraps | why is the ingame chat in the middle of the screen? |
| 23:45.24 | Xyphoid | looks like dxe it scans through npc ids, and also triggers off the yells that some npcs do when you come near |
| 23:45.34 | Shadowed | (name isn't necessary, but it lets me pull data if it's not there soo) |
| 23:45.41 | Jamash | what does "Division Medic Mu" mean? |
| 23:45.54 | Shadowed | Jamash: It's just a random name that Blizzard assigns to the divisions |
| 23:46.05 | Jamash | so a unit name and a greek letter? |
| 23:46.25 | Shadowed | Don't think so, http://sc2ranks.com/ranks/us/diamond/1 |
| 23:46.29 | Shadowed | (I strip Division out of those) |
| 23:46.44 | Jamash | oh, a unit and a spoken alphabet letter |
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| 23:47.19 | Shadowed | not a unit, just some SC2 thing |
| 23:47.41 | Jamash | your google ad is trying to sell me diablo II items |
| 23:47.51 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 23:47.53 | Shadowed | what is the domain |
| 23:48.20 | Jamash | d2items.com |
| 23:49.27 | Shadowed | blacklisted |
| 23:49.32 | Jamash | cool |
| 23:49.56 | Shadowed | also divisions, theres http://sc2ranks.com/div/1776 too which is Division Duran Lima |
| 23:50.02 | Shadowed | so I think it's just some random SC name |
| 23:50.07 | Jamash | ha |
| 23:52.13 | Jamash | I should make a logout macro that equips my pve gear then logs out |
| 23:52.33 | Jamash | I keep going to Elitist Armory and having it tell me I fail for wearing pvp gear |
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