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| 00:12.38 | Tepetkhet | alestane: In your example, what is "showChild" and what is "frameWithButtons"? I am trying to break this down now and follow it. |
| 00:13.07 | Tepetkhet | I'm guessing frameWithButtons is whatever I named the child frame. |
| 00:13.36 | alestane | Those are names that could be substituted. it doesn't matter so much what you use in place of "showChild", as long as you use the same string in both places where it appears. |
| 00:13.53 | alestane | frameWithButtons is indeed whichever frame you want shown and hidden. |
| 00:14.05 | Tepetkhet | And showChild? |
| 00:14.16 | Tepetkhet | Is this a new thing that's being declared here? |
| 00:14.47 | alestane | showChild, where it is not being used as a string to refer to a frameref, is just a local variable used to shorten the code. |
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| 00:16.20 | alestane | In order for your code to do something secure, instead of supplying it as direct Lua code, you supply it as a string so that the engine can compile it securely and guarantee that it is subject to certain restrictions, like the availability of certain functions. |
| 00:17.04 | alestane | The :SetFrameRef and :GetFrameRef calls are used to store the frame you want controlled where the restricted code will be able to find it. |
| 00:17.37 | alestane | Which is why the string given to the two has to match exactly. |
| 00:18.24 | Tepetkhet | And closeButton is whatever I named my button that I click to close the child? |
| 00:19.24 | alestane | yes, the one that inherits from SecureHandlerClickTemplate. |
| 00:19.59 | Tepetkhet | Okay. |
| 00:20.00 | alestane | The last important point is that you must not declare an <OnClick> handler for that button, or it will overwrite the secure one inherited from SecureHandlerClickTemplate. |
| 00:21.00 | alestane | That's why, instead, you store the code you want run as a string on the _onclick attribute, where the secure premade OnClick fromt he template can find it, compile it and run it. |
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| 00:22.29 | Tepetkhet | so I remove the OnClick part I have in the XML now...but then I need to figure out how to tell it to do the stuff written in the LUA instead, and when... |
| 00:23.03 | Tepetkhet | All the other stuff I've been putting in LUA has been function blah blah() end |
| 00:23.40 | alestane | Which is how you'll continue to do anything that doesn't need to "break the rules." |
| 00:23.54 | Tepetkhet | Ahh |
| 00:26.28 | alestane | You can do insecure stuff in a button's PostClick function, or use :HookScript() on the frame to attach your insecure code to run after the special stuff finishes. |
| 00:28.25 | Tepetkhet | Hmmm...AFK reading stuff. |
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| 00:38.07 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/07/30/funny-pictures-neber-de-problem/ |
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| 00:46.32 | Wobin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/zzziah/4695875617/ |
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| 00:50.28 | Kraps | hey |
| 00:51.19 | Corrodias | Wobin: neat |
| 00:51.28 | Tepetkhet | hrm |
| 00:52.25 | Tepetkhet | Now it's complaining that closeButton is a nil value. |
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| 00:54.55 | alestane | Well, you need to use whatever name you gave the frame that shows and hides the frame. |
| 00:55.35 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmnLRVWgnXU ...a long-time favorite routine of mine. Just wish the video weren't so awful. |
| 00:55.51 | Tepetkhet | Oh, crud. I thought it was the name of the button, not the frame. |
| 00:57.02 | Kraps | 72% |
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| 00:58.16 | Tepetkhet | Changing that doesn't fix the problem, either. :( |
| 00:58.22 | alestane | The button you click to toggle the other one on and off, yes. |
| 00:58.46 | alestane | Are your two frames nested, or declared separately with a parent= attribute only? |
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| 00:59.16 | alestane | You might find it helpful to post the code at http://wowi.pastey.net. |
| 00:59.20 | Warloco | o/ |
| 00:59.42 | Kraps | hey loco |
| 01:00.03 | Warloco | what was the slash command to bind your mousewheel to a macro/spell? |
| 01:00.27 | Warloco | I used to use it all the time, but then bartender came with easy binding and I never needed it anymore >.< |
| 01:01.29 | ccox | Ugh, levelling a goblin is worse than watching Jersey Shore |
| 01:04.18 | Tepetkhet | http://wowi.pastey.net/139153 |
| 01:05.01 | Kraps | wat is jersey shore? |
| 01:05.09 | Corrodias | no idea |
| 01:05.10 | Tepetkhet | A horrible reality show. |
| 01:05.27 | Tepetkhet | With a bunch of party kids. |
| 01:05.49 | Tepetkhet | And...a creepy older guy who's hanging out with them. |
| 01:06.16 | Tepetkhet | There's my frankencode. |
| 01:07.07 | Kraps | see, thats what i dont get, ant least on american idol many of the people can actually sing, wtf is the big deal about jersey shore? |
| 01:07.30 | Tepetkhet | No idea. |
| 01:07.45 | Tepetkhet | Watching party kids try to work at a T-shirt place selling shirts on summer vacation or something. |
| 01:08.11 | Tepetkhet | And watching them get drunk and not come into work the next day. |
| 01:08.11 | Tepetkhet | hah |
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| 01:09.52 | Kraps | its like the paris hilton vs the kardashians, paris hilton has the distinction (however distinct that is) of being heiress to one of the biggest hotel chains in the world, the kardashians are nothing |
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| 01:13.26 | Tepetkhet | I think I killed alestane with my bad code. |
| 01:13.46 | alestane | No, I'm just trying to get it organized so I can show you some cleanup. |
| 01:13.58 | Tepetkhet | Oh, heh. |
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| 01:14.36 | Tepetkhet | I didn't do a WHOLE lot of indenting because it's annoying scrolling left to right when I'm trying to look at stuff sometimes. |
| 01:16.40 | alestane | Okay, my first adjustment was, consistent indentation makes your code much easier to read and debug: http://wowi.pastey.net/139154 |
| 01:17.56 | alestane | Also, while the different sections of a frame (<Size/>, <Anchors>, etc.) don't have to go in any particular order, there is a convention which makes it easier to track stuff down. It's easier expecting <Size/> will be at or near the top, if present, than hunting through the whole frame for it. |
| 01:18.21 | Tepetkhet | Ahh, I was noticing that was moved up. |
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| 01:19.49 | alestane | Scripts usually comes after Frames, although I might leave it here so we don't forget which scripts are for which frame. |
| 01:23.09 | alestane | Next step: doing this in stages so each one can be understood: AbsValue, AbsDimension, etc. are largely useless. You can put the same attribute directly on the enclosing tag. http://wowi.pastey.net/139155 |
| 01:23.42 | Tepetkhet | I've been going over a lot of tutorials and examples and noticed they were using different styles. |
| 01:25.07 | alestane | Last stylistic point (minor): the default offset for an anchor is 0, 0. No need to specify it. |
| 01:25.09 | alestane | http://wowi.pastey.net/139156 |
| 01:25.25 | Tepetkhet | Good point. |
| 01:25.25 | alestane | Now I get to useful points (in a minute): |
| 01:25.38 | Tepetkhet | (I was playing with the values a lot to line things up) |
| 01:25.48 | Tepetkhet | (ended up lining up fine when I did some other stuff) |
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| 01:27.33 | Tepetkhet | 110 lines vs. 86 lines...nice. |
| 01:28.44 | alestane | http://wowi.pastey.net/139157 |
| 01:29.10 | alestane | At this point, I've moved the frame definition for the toggleable container inside the toggle button definition. |
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| 01:29.50 | Tepetkhet | That's a big diff. |
| 01:30.40 | alestane | This has a couple of effects...we don't need to declare the parent explicitly, but more importantly, TepButton_CloseButton's <OnLoad>, if it has one, will not be run until TepButton_Frame and MightyTep_Button have fully loaded, including their own <OnLoad> handlers. |
| 01:31.26 | alestane | This might have helped solve some of the problems you were running into before. |
| 01:31.40 | Tepetkhet | Yeah, I had no close button for a while. |
| 01:32.25 | alestane | There's one other small change in this version: on the icon texture for the spell button, name="$parentIcon" has been replaced with parentKey="icon". |
| 01:32.45 | Tepetkhet | This is my LUA: http://wowi.pastey.net/139158 |
| 01:33.12 | alestane | This allows you, if you have any code that refers to the icon or changes it (which you don't in this example) to refer to the texture as self.icon rather than _G[self:GetName().."Icon"]. |
| 01:33.16 | Tepetkhet | I think I have an extra function left over in there from another version of the addon. |
| 01:33.52 | Tepetkhet | Oh... |
| 01:34.19 | Tepetkhet | Yeah, I haven't even begun to tackle the actual action buttons yet. That's why it's a static one for now. |
| 01:34.44 | alestane | At some point, you might want to consider changing the CloseButton from a regular Button to a CheckButton, which might make it easier to avoid all the texture swapping, but that's for later. |
| 01:36.31 | Tepetkhet | It was originally <Button name="TepSide_CloseButton" inherits="UIPanelCloseButton"> in another version. |
| 01:46.08 | alestane | Now for the big step: http://wowi.pastey.net/139159 |
| 01:47.25 | alestane | TepButton_CloseButton now co-inherits from UIPanelCloseButton as well as SecureHandlerClickTemplate, allowing it to derive all of the close button's textures and presentation. |
| 01:47.57 | alestane | An attribute element (similar to the ones used on the MightyButton) defines the code to be loaded by the Click handler. |
| 01:48.15 | alestane | And the OnLoad of the child frame sets itself as a frame reference on its parent. |
| 01:51.21 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmwM_AKeMCk |
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| 01:54.08 | alestane | Last step: http://wowi.pastey.net/139160 |
| 01:54.34 | alestane | This moves the code to manage the textures into the show.hide handlers for the frame being shown and hidden. |
| 01:55.21 | alestane | The load-time establishment is discarded, because OnShow will fire when the frame finishes displaying for the first time. |
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| 01:55.47 | alestane | At this point, there is no longer even any reference to any code from the .lua file. |
| 01:55.51 | MoonWitch | aww eido isn in |
| 01:55.56 | alestane | Go to bed, hon. |
| 01:56.12 | MoonWitch | not yet |
| 01:56.18 | alestane | Not that we don't love you, but it's four in the morning. |
| 01:56.23 | MoonWitch | lol yes it is |
| 01:56.32 | MoonWitch | did Cairenn put you up to this? |
| 01:56.34 | MoonWitch | :P |
| 01:56.37 | alestane | She's AFK. |
| 01:56.47 | alestane | Doesn't change the fact that it's four in the morning. |
| 01:56.53 | MoonWitch | true |
| 01:57.07 | Kraps | heyyyyyy MoonWitch /raises eyebrow |
| 01:57.56 | MoonWitch | hey Kraps :) |
| 01:58.22 | MoonWitch | I need to order a new hard drive again |
| 01:58.25 | MoonWitch | :( |
| 01:59.05 | MoonWitch | and while I am at it, I may as well get a mediaplayer too |
| 01:59.28 | MoonWitch | or whatever itÅ called... device which allows you to hook up a HDD to the tv :P |
| 01:59.54 | MoonWitch | preferably lan enabled .. (the media player) .. any recommendations |
| 02:00.35 | Tepetkhet | It's gone... |
| 02:02.11 | alestane | I will warn you that I haven't actually tested any of this. |
| 02:02.55 | Tepetkhet | It's not liking the _onclick line. |
| 02:03.08 | Tepetkhet | Required white space was missing |
| 02:04.50 | Tepetkhet | Something in this line is not parsing... |
| 02:04.52 | Tepetkhet | <Attribute name="_onclick" value="local showChild = self:GetFrameRef("showChild"); if showChild:IsShown() then showChild:Hide() else showChild:Show() end" /> |
| 02:05.04 | alestane | Oh, probably change the internal double quotes to single quotes. |
| 02:05.11 | alestane | Or the external quotes, either one. |
| 02:05.14 | Tepetkhet | Ah, yeah, that might do it. |
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| 02:05.27 | alestane | <Attribute name="_onclick" value="local showChild = self:GetFrameRef'showChild'); if showChild:IsShown() then showChild:Hide() else showChild:Show() end" /> |
| 02:05.37 | Tepetkhet | Yeah, that's what I just did. Just a sec, and... |
| 02:05.58 | alestane | Yeah, it would have thought that showChild was a new attribute name, and expected a = afterward. |
| 02:06.50 | Tepetkhet | And it's not showing the child button. :( |
| 02:07.43 | alestane | In the anchor line for the Mighty frame, put relativeTo TepButton_CloseButton back in. |
| 02:07.50 | alestane | (with an =) |
| 02:08.11 | alestane | I forgot that you weren't anchoring the intermediate frame when I took it out. |
| 02:08.29 | alestane | So it's anchoring it to the parent by default, which isn't placed on screen. |
| 02:08.32 | alestane | So it doesn't show. |
| 02:09.57 | alestane | Corrected code: http://wowi.pastey.net/139161 |
| 02:10.32 | Tepetkhet | HAHA, okay, I have it. |
| 02:10.37 | Tepetkhet | Will need to tweak the positioning. |
| 02:11.15 | alestane | Does it open and close? |
| 02:11.30 | Tepetkhet | Yes. Going to go test in combat |
| 02:11.42 | alestane | If it works at all, it'll work in combat. |
| 02:13.06 | Tepetkhet | :D |
| 02:13.10 | Tepetkhet | It worked in combat! |
| 02:13.21 | Tepetkhet | Thank you, Mister Protodrake! |
| 02:13.26 | alestane | RAWR |
| 02:14.19 | Tepetkhet | That's amazing stuff. |
| 02:14.46 | Tepetkhet | I saw that you wrote pretty much all of the online documentation for this stuff that I found. |
| 02:14.56 | Tepetkhet | Thank you so much for taking the time to help me get this working. |
| 02:15.04 | alestane | I also wrote about 30% of the code that makes it work. |
| 02:15.11 | Tepetkhet | Ah ha! |
| 02:15.14 | MoonWitch | may I ask of what? |
| 02:15.17 | alestane | Iriel did most of it. |
| 02:15.29 | alestane | The Secure Handlers infrastructure, MoonWitch. |
| 02:15.36 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 02:15.39 | MoonWitch | very interesting |
| 02:16.01 | Tepetkhet | The thing that let me close and open a container in combat that contains a clickable buff button. |
| 02:18.25 | alestane | It has to happen in response to user input (like the click button we just walked you through using) or a change in one of the states Blizzard considers acceptable for automated transition (the macro conditions, basically). |
| 02:18.28 | MoonWitch | I wonder why they include PTT in cellphones |
| 02:18.41 | MoonWitch | never met anyone who uses it |
| 02:18.46 | MoonWitch | you only see it used in tv shows |
| 02:18.47 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 02:18.50 | alestane | NEXTEL made it a big deal before SMS was common here. |
| 02:19.12 | alestane | The asynchronous, non-exclusive communication was a big draw. |
| 02:19.33 | alestane | But these days, I think most people text instead, which has the same characteristics without all the chirps. |
| 02:19.35 | Tepetkhet | I used to work for a company that used Nextel phones. |
| 02:19.42 | MoonWitch | oh really |
| 02:19.48 | MoonWitch | I just never saw it used |
| 02:19.50 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 02:19.53 | MoonWitch | I wondered |
| 02:20.05 | Tepetkhet | Techs aren't going to text the dispatcher to find out their next assignment. |
| 02:20.21 | Tepetkhet | Well, they might. |
| 02:20.24 | Tepetkhet | But these guys didn't. |
| 02:20.33 | MoonWitch | I wouldn |
| 02:20.42 | MoonWitch | damn keyboard layouts |
| 02:20.44 | MoonWitch | I wouldn't. |
| 02:20.49 | Tepetkhet | We called the phones "squawkers" |
| 02:21.00 | Tepetkhet | "Get dispatch on the squawker." |
| 02:21.01 | MoonWitch | I would expect them to mail me my assignment or call with it |
| 02:21.08 | MoonWitch | cool |
| 02:21.09 | alestane | Chirping is faster than texting, true. |
| 02:21.11 | Tepetkhet | They'd finish a job and call in. |
| 02:21.18 | Tepetkhet | While I was on the toilet. |
| 02:21.31 | MoonWitch | lolol |
| 02:21.33 | Tepetkhet | I had to take the phone with me in there so they could chirp at me on the pot. |
| 02:21.34 | Tepetkhet | :( |
| 02:21.44 | Tepetkhet | I didn't always squawk back! |
| 02:21.54 | MoonWitch | well duh |
| 02:21.55 | MoonWitch | :P |
| 02:22.05 | MoonWitch | would be mighty awkward if you |
| 02:22.06 | Tepetkhet | I also knew a construction company in PA that used Nextel phones. |
| 02:22.07 | MoonWitch | did |
| 02:22.16 | Tepetkhet | Same idea. |
| 02:22.35 | MoonWitch | my niece has a habit of calling while on the pot |
| 02:22.38 | MoonWitch | as does my mom |
| 02:22.44 | MoonWitch | I politely hang up .. |
| 02:22.50 | Tepetkhet | The drywall guys would always squawk at the boss asking for next assignments or to let him know that they were out of nails at a site. |
| 02:22.53 | Tepetkhet | That kind of thing. |
| 02:22.59 | MoonWitch | (both have in the past dropped their phones in the pot) |
| 02:23.28 | Tepetkhet | It's really useful for the immediacy without taking the time to dial, wait for him to pick up...etc |
| 02:23.49 | MoonWitch | does it require something other then the phone? |
| 02:24.02 | MoonWitch | (I know nothing of the technique involved) |
| 02:24.03 | Tepetkhet | "Hey boss. Hey boss, you there? Hey boss, I need some more nails here." Then the boss can decide, oh, I guess I'll respond to that. |
| 02:24.15 | MoonWitch | I always assumed it was like walkie-talkies |
| 02:24.15 | Tepetkhet | You need to have the service enabled, I think. |
| 02:24.24 | Tepetkhet | And you need phones that have the capability. |
| 02:24.32 | Torhal | Good lord you two are spammy. |
| 02:24.34 | Torhal | ducks. |
| 02:24.37 | Tepetkhet | I think Motorola makes most of them. |
| 02:24.46 | MoonWitch | I think my HTC does it too |
| 02:24.51 | MoonWitch | but who knows with HTC |
| 02:25.12 | MoonWitch | I needz new phone, but who can afford it if you iz unemployed |
| 02:25.25 | MoonWitch | and Torhal, I know you love me. So it's ok, I'll forgive you. |
| 02:26.24 | Thunder_Child | i need a new phone, but the one i want is sold out |
| 02:26.34 | MoonWitch | which one ya want? |
| 02:26.38 | Thunder_Child | evo |
| 02:26.54 | Tepetkhet | I <3 my phone |
| 02:26.55 | MoonWitch | I considered the new iPhone, but no... |
| 02:26.59 | MoonWitch | which one ya got? |
| 02:27.14 | MoonWitch | wants a droid phone |
| 02:27.25 | Tepetkhet | The "new" LG Lotus Elite in red (Sprint). |
| 02:27.44 | Tepetkhet | It's a flip phone |
| 02:27.54 | Tepetkhet | And has a qwerty keyboard. |
| 02:28.05 | Tepetkhet | And a touch screen on the front. |
| 02:28.12 | alestane | Since we were talking before about the shit female techs have to put up with: http://w00t.chaobell.net/20040128.html |
| 02:28.35 | MoonWitch | Thunder_Child: I am SO with you |
| 02:29.29 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 02:29.56 | alestane | My wife happened to wander into a Best Buy that had one Evo left when she was shopping. |
| 02:30.18 | Tepetkhet | Okay, I set the anchor point on my button relative to TepAnchor and it looks good now! :D |
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| 02:31.28 | MoonWitch | I wonder what the phone is called here (Evo that is) |
| 02:31.44 | Tepetkhet | The Italian model is called Evoo. |
| 02:32.11 | Tepetkhet | It's endorsed by Rachael Ray. |
| 02:33.58 | Gambino | Question. I am looking for a bar similar to this, without all the side stuff. Basically, I am new, and would like to clean it up a bit. Any help would be great. |
| 02:33.58 | Gambino | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/packs/1365/default.aspx |
| 02:34.45 | alestane | smacks Tepetkhet across the room for that one. |
| 02:36.18 | Tepetkhet | Owww |
| 02:36.26 | alestane | ...then dusts her off and puts her back. |
| 02:36.42 | MoonWitch | Gambino : Check which addon does what, and disable the side stuff (aka disable recount) |
| 02:36.49 | MoonWitch | Tepetkhet: you're female too? |
| 02:36.54 | alestane | If there's one genre the Japanese excel in, it's horror: http://w00t.chaobell.net/20040402.html |
| 02:36.56 | Tepetkhet | Yes. |
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| 02:37.03 | alestane | So she sayeth. |
| 02:37.08 | MoonWitch | Tepetkhet: Awesome, welcome to the girlz pile |
| 02:37.12 | alestane | That makes five. |
| 02:37.13 | MoonWitch | tackles Tepetkhet |
| 02:37.18 | Tepetkhet | oof |
| 02:37.32 | alestane | Dammit, MoonWitch, you break her you pay for her! |
| 02:37.44 | Gambino | MoonWitch: Instead of DLing a whole package, is there one UI which would keep everything simple? I've tried Bartender, but not really a fan. |
| 02:38.11 | MoonWitch | Bartender is an addon, not a pack. |
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| 02:38.44 | MoonWitch | check the various compilations on Wowinterface for what you like. Or work with addons you like and arrange where you want them. |
| 02:38.45 | Gambino | ... I know. 'Instead of DLing a while package...'. |
| 02:38.56 | Gambino | whole* |
| 02:38.59 | Gambino | Okay, thanks. |
| 02:40.01 | cloudwolf | alestane look up the comic uzumaki. that shit gets strange as hell |
| 02:41.58 | MoonWitch | ugh .. why are always the women the freaking out during robbery types?? |
| 02:42.55 | alestane | Watching another movie |
| 02:42.56 | alestane | ? |
| 02:43.02 | MoonWitch | csi ny |
| 02:43.03 | alestane | Is it at least better than the last one? |
| 02:43.20 | MoonWitch | well I still have NCIS and West Wing to watch |
| 02:43.45 | MoonWitch | and then DL 24 all seasons to catch up |
| 02:43.55 | Thunder_Child | MoonWitch: it's not just women, but it is very iritating |
| 02:44.16 | MoonWitch | it's also always the women who cry when ppl die |
| 02:44.25 | MoonWitch | hell, I've seen grown men cry in pain |
| 02:44.57 | Tepetkhet | Japanese horror is creepy stuff. |
| 02:44.57 | MoonWitch | when their hand was squished while holding hands during childbirth lol |
| 02:45.06 | MoonWitch | I love jap horror |
| 02:45.07 | Tepetkhet | Watched...Fatal Death Trap. |
| 02:45.20 | Tepetkhet | Watched...the original Ring, but in Japanese with Chinese subtitles. |
| 02:45.22 | Tepetkhet | That was fun. |
| 02:45.39 | MoonWitch | I can't read/speak Japanese or Chinese |
| 02:45.39 | Tepetkhet | Since, uh, I only know a little Japanese and could only recognize like a handful of Kanji. |
| 02:46.05 | Tepetkhet | I made up my own story based on the words I did pick out. |
| 02:47.23 | MoonWitch | in any case : If you know any kick ass horror films that make me jump like mad -- go for it and tell me |
| 02:47.49 | alestane | A classic: http://w00t.chaobell.net/20040712.html |
| 02:48.17 | cloudwolf | lol wait i just closed firefox yet this is still up? |
| 02:49.07 | Tepetkhet | What's that one... |
| 02:49.08 | Tepetkhet | Audition |
| 02:49.17 | Tepetkhet | More of a psychological horror. |
| 02:49.29 | cloudwolf | Go read uzumaki. its all online some where translated into english |
| 02:49.40 | cloudwolf | the thing is strange as hell and has made me not like spirals as much asi used to |
| 02:49.45 | cloudwolf | >.< |
| 02:49.57 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 02:51.54 | alestane | That's what "Uzumaki" means. |
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| 02:55.06 | bluspacecow | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/july/undeadonraptoronsharkwithfrickinlaserbeams.jpg |
| 02:56.37 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/01/funny-pictures-gonna-end-well/ |
| 02:57.18 | Sesshu | http://www.fukung.net/v/29467/23959a63c0fbcc510e7bf68b5949c14e.gif |
| 02:57.22 | Thrae | This channel is 30% more off-topic and 30% less about addon development. |
| 02:57.56 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 02:58.02 | bluspacecow | its why its win |
| 02:58.13 | Sesshu | (bluspacecow): saw this already but its still funny :) |
| 02:58.42 | Thunder_Child | Thrae: whats a topic? |
| 02:59.16 | Sesshu | off-topic can be a topic i think |
| 02:59.16 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Let's talk about. |
| 02:59.19 | bluspacecow | this topic thingy you speak of |
| 02:59.22 | bluspacecow | what is it ? |
| 03:00.00 | Thunder_Child | 'let's talk about sex baby, llet's talk about you and me, let's talk about all the good things and the bad thing that may be.' |
| 03:00.08 | Thrae | Oh whoops. I thought I was still talking in another channel. |
| 03:00.15 | Thrae | Adys: You sly devil. |
| 03:00.44 | bluspacecow | @thunder so you'r going to shimmy to that ? |
| 03:01.52 | Thunder_Child | bluspacecow: i dont shimmy |
| 03:01.59 | bluspacecow | :( |
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| 03:06.27 | Tepetkhet | oh |
| 03:06.52 | Tepetkhet | Couldn't find inherited node: UICloseButton |
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| 03:07.36 | bluspacecow | say |
| 03:07.42 | bluspacecow | wheres tekkub |
| 03:07.43 | bluspacecow | http://www.girlzlyfe.com/products/Shaky-Bacon.html |
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| 03:09.00 | alestane | UIPanelCloseButton, Tepetkhet |
| 03:09.07 | Tepetkhet | Ohh |
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| 03:10.06 | Tepetkhet | That took care of that. |
| 03:10.13 | alestane | Now I have to n'night. You might have Iriel around for a few more hours if you have any more questions. |
| 03:12.05 | Tepetkhet | Well, the next thing I think I need to do is figure out how to decorate and resize the container that my cast button is in. |
| 03:13.39 | bluspacecow | carefully. |
| 03:19.05 | Iriel | Tepetkhet: generally decoration doesn't have to be 'secure' so you can do that with far more 'normal' code. |
| 03:20.42 | Tepetkhet | I think I'm just missing the correct placement of the XML because it's just flat out ignoring anything I put under the Frame as far as decoration goes. |
| 03:23.10 | MoonWitch | hey if eidoletcc comes in .. tell him he's right about f.lux |
| 03:23.26 | MoonWitch | i'm going to bed |
| 03:23.31 | Tepetkhet | Night |
| 03:23.32 | MoonWitch | see you guys later |
| 03:23.37 | MoonWitch | and girls too |
| 03:23.40 | Wobin | MoonWitch: I can't get used to f.lux |
| 03:23.53 | MoonWitch | it's weird, but does seem to have an effect |
| 03:24.02 | Wobin | I think it'd only be useful for me if I stayed on a computer for that changeover |
| 03:24.05 | Wobin | and continued on it |
| 03:24.10 | Wobin | but since I go home.... |
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| 03:24.44 | MoonWitch | well I installed it on my homepc |
| 03:24.51 | MoonWitch | so :) |
| 03:25.09 | Wobin | by the time it activates, I'm still at work =P |
| 03:25.19 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 03:25.21 | MoonWitch | I am not |
| 03:26.01 | MoonWitch | anyhow |
| 03:26.07 | MoonWitch | catch you all later :) |
| 03:26.44 | MoonWitch | Tepetkhet: Keep em in check, I trust you to do that... :D |
| 03:26.50 | Tepetkhet | hah |
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| 03:59.04 | warz | hi all, i'm uber noob at mod creating. im trying to learn. im just trying to get a frame to display, i guess. but, what about this is incorrect? no frame seems to show up - i dont see anything. |
| 03:59.06 | warz | http://dpaste.org/hr5m/ |
| 03:59.30 | Iriel | Your frame is entirely invisible |
| 03:59.37 | Iriel | so if it does show up you wouldn't really know |
| 03:59.45 | PProvost | Try using a base template |
| 03:59.53 | PProvost | or setting some textures, colors, etc. |
| 04:00.17 | Iriel | Or doing local bg = EasyTank_Frame:CreateTexture(); bg:SetAllPoints(bg:GetParent()); bg:SetTexture(1,0,0) |
| 04:00.24 | Iriel | that'll make it bright red |
| 04:01.39 | Tepetkhet | brb |
| 04:01.41 | warz | oh wow yup |
| 04:01.58 | warz | definitely shows up now. heh |
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| 04:03.42 | Teneko | That'll teach me not to quit properly... |
| 04:06.50 | Tepetkhet | Okay, so in a similar vein... |
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| 04:07.14 | Tepetkhet | I also can't get a frame to show up around my button. |
| 04:07.21 | Tepetkhet | http://wowi.pastey.net/139166 |
| 04:07.51 | Tepetkhet | I'm trying to control a container for MightyTep_Button |
| 04:08.49 | Tepetkhet | I thought in this case that TepButtonFrame was the container. |
| 04:09.27 | Tepetkhet | And I could add artwork around it and stuff. |
| 04:09.27 | Iriel | I think your order is off |
| 04:09.27 | warz | This is a helpful tutorial, but are there any that go over other things such as creating a moveable frame, and stuff? http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOn_programming_tutorial/Introduction |
| 04:10.04 | Tepetkhet | Like this, warz? |
| 04:10.05 | Iriel | Maybe not, it's slightly odd having the 'container' as a child of its contents |
| 04:10.06 | Tepetkhet | http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
| 04:10.16 | Motig | it's fairly straightforward if you take a look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 04:10.36 | Motig | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_StartMoving |
| 04:11.26 | PProvost | ok |
| 04:11.28 | PProvost | mt |
| 04:11.30 | PProvost | lol |
| 04:11.33 | Iriel | Tepetkhet: your TepButtonFrame has no anchor |
| 04:11.41 | Iriel | That /might/ be your problem |
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| 04:18.03 | Tepetkhet | Oops. |
| 04:18.16 | Tepetkhet | My credit card for WoW apparently just expired...and my account was just charged. |
| 04:18.57 | Tepetkhet | oops |
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| 04:23.06 | Tepetkhet | Oh my. |
| 04:23.28 | Tepetkhet | Okay, it wasn't billing. Must have been a temporary connection problem. |
| 04:24.19 | Tepetkhet | And sure enough, there was no anchor. |
| 04:32.05 | warz | Tepetkhet, that tutorial is awesome. Thanks. |
| 04:32.19 | Tepetkhet | I'm in the same boat, warz. |
| 04:43.38 | Tepetkhet | Okay, I think that's enough for tonight. |
| 04:43.53 | Tepetkhet | Night night |
| 04:54.10 | warz | well thats cool. ive got a movable frame now. |
| 04:57.48 | Shirik | http://failblog.org/2010/08/01/epic-fail-photo-safe-snacking-fail/ |
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| 05:04.33 | warz | So, how should an addon do things like reading from a database of data? |
| 05:05.03 | Jerub | i really need to figure out which addons cause my load times to be so epic |
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| 05:09.34 | Xuerian | Anyone who uses xloot and buttonfacade wanna try something? |
| 05:09.54 | Xuerian | Not that anyone IN this chat uses the bloated version that's out... so I'll take a bored buttonfacade user too. |
| 05:12.37 | warz | wow, XLoot looks really cool |
| 05:12.55 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 05:13.15 | warz | it hogs resources, or something? |
| 05:13.42 | Xuerian | I learned to write addons while writing it. The core addon isn't that bad, but the plugins are pretty gnarly |
| 05:16.31 | Xuerian | warz: If you're going to try it, try this: http://www.mediafire.com/?q3cd2wgucfgqow0 |
| 05:17.08 | bluspacecow | http://failblog.org/upcoming/?pid=46607&from=recMap2 |
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| 05:50.50 | Shirik | lua> print("\0") |
| 05:50.50 | lua_bot | Shirik: |
| 05:51.04 | Shirik | lua> print("\255") |
| 05:51.04 | lua_bot | Shirik: ÿ |
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| 06:12.43 | Shirik | fuck off google |
| 06:12.50 | Shirik | why does it insist on thinking it's smarter than me |
| 06:13.02 | Shirik | I type something and it gives me a million useless results because it thinks I misspelled a word |
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| 06:20.45 | Trela | Right, then yo have to click the stupid "YES I REALLY MEANT THAT" link. |
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| 06:22.47 | Shirik | no |
| 06:22.52 | Shirik | there is no such link Trela |
| 06:23.28 | Trela | Oh, maybe that is just my Greasemonkey script giving me to the option to smack Google. |
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| 06:26.09 | Sargeras | where's Dolby been? |
| 06:26.12 | cog|away | ~seen bleeter |
| 06:26.13 | purl | bleeter <~bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 7d 2h 52m 40s ago, saying: 'then again, .sg are doing a 'big' midnight launch... can't imagine they'd do that if one won't be able to install then'. |
| 06:26.48 | Sargeras | ah ha |
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| 06:30.46 | cog|away | Wobin: bleeter's the aussie from tas right? |
| 06:30.58 | Wobin | cogwheel: yep |
| 06:31.05 | cogwheel | i met his commissioner for children today |
| 06:31.10 | cogwheel | he sings funny when he's drunk ;) |
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| 06:31.55 | Wobin | Paul Mason? |
| 06:31.59 | cogwheel | yep |
| 06:32.17 | cogwheel | my grandmother threw a 25th anniversary party for her organization |
| 06:32.28 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.02 | cogwheel | will do :P |
| 06:33.13 | cogwheel | though i doubt he'd be interested in my grandma's work |
| 06:33.23 | Jerub | Wobin: my boss met stephen conroy but wasn't allowed to punch him in the face |
| 06:33.43 | Jerub | we were receiving an award, it was mentioned that when receiving the award from the cocksucker not to punch him in his facehole. |
| 06:34.08 | cogwheel | Paul's son plays wow |
| 06:34.33 | cogwheel | and his wife was really excited to get a picture of me with the book to earn some cool mom points |
| 06:34.40 | Wobin | haha =) |
| 06:34.49 | Wobin | INTERWEB CELEBRITY |
| 06:34.58 | Wobin | You totally signed it, didn't you? =) |
| 06:35.06 | Jerub | book? |
| 06:35.10 | cogwheel | it's the copy my grandma keeps |
| 06:35.23 | cogwheel | Jerub: i was co-author on the first edition of wow programming |
| 06:35.25 | Jerub | oh right |
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| 06:36.58 | cogwheel | pompy1: tomorrowzomg :> |
| 06:42.23 | Mr_Rabies | <Wobin> If you manage to meet up with Stephen Conroy, punch him in the nose =) |
| 06:42.40 | Mr_Rabies | I was thinking Kevin Conroy, i was like WHY YOU PUNCH BATMAN |
| 06:42.41 | Wobin | Mr_Rabies: Well thank you Mr_Rabies =P |
| 06:42.52 | Wobin | You totally ruined the anti logging device =P |
| 06:43.07 | Wobin | now the government will come and punch me in the nose =P |
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| 08:04.05 | Krahg | Hi, I was in two channels the other night and one had people chatting while the other was silent. I asked this in the other channel but please forgive me for asking here (in case this is the channel that talks) |
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| 08:05.10 | Krahg | Where do I need to look to add a custom menu item to the menu that pops up when I click on a user name. I do not want to replace the menu, but only add 1 item to it. (again sorry for cross posting) |
| 08:08.20 | Krahg | ok, well I will be in the channel while I continue to try to decipher this. Thanks. |
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| 08:13.23 | Xinhuan | Krahg, you can't really do it safely without causing taint |
| 08:14.00 | Xinhuan | unless you aren't referring to the menu when you right-click a unit frame |
| 08:15.38 | Xinhuan | if you mean the menu that pops up on clicking a name in the chat |
| 08:15.44 | Xinhuan | you'll need to do some function hooking |
| 08:16.05 | Xinhuan | extract out the default UI's code for the chat, and figure out which function(s) to hook |
| 08:18.51 | Krahg | I have been looking at the extraction for a while now, lol |
| 08:19.48 | Krahg | There are lots of things that when I try them... don't do anything that is helping me pin point what I want. |
| 08:20.42 | Krahg | my idea seems simple, but so far even creating a menu, much less inserting my own item into an existing one seems complex |
| 08:21.21 | Krahg | I managed to insert an item into a blank menu though, so I am making a little progress :) |
| 08:22.28 | Zhinjio | Xinhuan: howdy |
| 08:22.33 | Xinhuan | hi |
| 08:22.41 | Zhinjio | how're things with you? |
| 08:33.05 | Xinhuan | fine |
| 08:33.17 | Xinhuan | office network went down so everyone went home early today ;p |
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| 08:41.06 | Fisker | gentlemen |
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| 08:43.27 | Zyn | peasant |
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| 09:07.43 | airtonix | prole |
| 09:08.18 | Dagmar | Wow that's sad. |
| 09:08.28 | Dagmar | Someone in CS needs a spanking. |
| 09:08.48 | airtonix | Creative Suite ? |
| 09:08.52 | Dagmar | I just found out that apparently the account holder's full name and secret question/answer is all that's required to call up and take over an account. |
| 09:09.07 | Dagmar | ...and the secret question/answer can't be changed either. |
| 09:09.08 | airtonix | well then |
| 09:09.12 | Dagmar | That's nuts. |
| 09:09.25 | cbreak_work | does the answer match the question? |
| 09:09.41 | Krahg | woot! I got the function hooked! |
| 09:09.54 | Dagmar | Some kid in our guild's been hacked three times this summer, twice in this month, and they've just called Blizz up and changed his password and looted his account |
| 09:09.58 | airtonix | "what is your favourite position after a night on the piss ? " |
| 09:10.00 | Trela | For Blizzard? |
| 09:10.06 | airtonix | "monkies" |
| 09:10.12 | Krahg | don't know I got the right one, but I hooked something :) |
| 09:10.28 | Krahg | and it's being called when I click what I want... |
| 09:10.45 | Trela | I have no idea what my secret question is, but I do know the answer.(Which is irrelevant to the question.) |
| 09:11.06 | Dagmar | Since you can't change that information accoring to bluetext, that's just a broken security policy |
| 09:11.26 | Arrowmaster | i dont even remember setting a secret question/answer |
| 09:11.37 | Dagmar | I barely do |
| 09:11.56 | Dagmar | He's been able to get his account back each time, but the way this stands, it's just a tug of war |
| 09:12.25 | Arrowmaster | how did they get his secret question/answer? |
| 09:12.34 | Dagmar | Apparently it's his dad's middle name |
| 09:12.38 | Corrodias | maybe when he set it |
| 09:12.39 | Trela | Dagmar: Maybe he should use an authenticator. |
| 09:12.45 | Dagmar | So, basically, a lot of people can get screwed like that |
| 09:13.34 | ZorbaTHut | man, I don't remember a secret question either |
| 09:13.38 | cbreak_work | that's a stupid question |
| 09:13.45 | Corrodias | we could improve security... or sell you $6 thing |
| 09:13.57 | Dagmar | Trela: He should, but the issue still stands that if you can't change that secret, it makes it impossible to even try to keep control of your account once it's out |
| 09:14.02 | Corrodias | though that thing is pretty sweet anyway |
| 09:14.04 | Dagmar | Your _password_ you can change. |
| 09:14.22 | cbreak_work | change your account name? |
| 09:14.25 | Dagmar | ...but they can go to CS, give the not-a-secret-anymore and change it back |
| 09:14.25 | Corrodias | i do not remember my secret anything. |
| 09:14.44 | Dagmar | cbreak: Bad idea considering they tend to ask people to fax in ID |
| 09:14.52 | Trela | The authenticator will prevent them from logging into the account. The email address on the account can also be changed thus changing the account name. |
| 09:14.59 | Corrodias | so fax in your ID |
| 09:15.04 | Arrowmaster | secret questions are one of the absolute worst ways to try and secure an account |
| 09:15.09 | Dagmar | You're name is not joeuser@hotmail.com |
| 09:15.12 | Dagmar | er Your |
| 09:15.26 | Corrodias | he used fake info to pay? |
| 09:15.30 | Dagmar | No. |
| 09:16.03 | Corrodias | what is the ptoblem here? change the account name by faxing the ID, jerks dont know his account name any more |
| 09:16.09 | Corrodias | boom |
| 09:16.11 | Dagmar | I'm just astonished that Accounts and Billing made it possible to no longer allow the question/answer to be changed. |
| 09:16.23 | Dagmar | Again, not the account name, the user's real name. |
| 09:16.27 | Corrodias | that is silly, yes |
| 09:16.37 | Trela | Arrowmaster: I agree. Basically my secret answers are phrases that never relate to the question being asked. Most people assume the answer will match the question. |
| 09:16.40 | Corrodias | they don't need the account name, eh? |
| 09:16.45 | Dagmar | So if you know someone's full name and the answer to their question, you're done. |
| 09:17.05 | Arrowmaster | how is that possible, or does he have some really unique name? |
| 09:17.26 | ZorbaTHut | my secret answers are randomly-generated alphanumeric strings |
| 09:17.34 | ZorbaTHut | it does admittedly make it pretty funny to read the answer back though |
| 09:17.38 | Arrowmaster | although i probably shouldnt talk about that since apparently only 16 people in the US have the same name as me |
| 09:17.59 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 09:18.01 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 09:18.11 | Arrowmaster | ~Fisker++ |
| 09:18.14 | ZorbaTHut | "What's the street you grew up on?" "pdftzcjqxkgcfu7zypeajyjyhfb8xxpe" |
| 09:19.18 | Dagmar | Hmm... Apparently he changed his email address and that didnt' work |
| 09:19.33 | Arrowmaster | oh i got one, create a secret master password for account recovery and then combine the hash of the password with the hash of the question and youve got the answer! |
| 09:19.38 | Arrowmaster | nobody will ever crack that one |
| 09:19.39 | Dagmar | So, rather likely Accounts & Billing is being social engineered a smidge |
| 09:19.40 | Trela | ZorbaTHut: If they ask you if it is real just tell me it is a street in Iceland. |
| 09:19.54 | ZorbaTHut | trela, I'll have to remember that |
| 09:20.17 | cbreak_work | or just say "no" |
| 09:20.19 | Dagmar | I am half tempted to call them and tell them I've forgotten my account name and see what they say |
| 09:20.32 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: do it |
| 09:20.34 | Corrodias | i know my account name, but i've forgotten my real name |
| 09:20.38 | Fisker | Dagmar they do |
| 09:20.46 | cbreak_work | Corrodias: just buy SC2 |
| 09:20.50 | cbreak_work | it'll tell you your real name |
| 09:20.56 | Corrodias | Joy! |
| 09:20.57 | cbreak_work | every time you log in |
| 09:21.00 | cbreak_work | *grumble* |
| 09:21.12 | Corrodias | oh good, i'm going to go play in a public place where everyone can see my name, then |
| 09:21.17 | Arrowmaster | cbreak_work: cant you still get that from packet sniffing the wow login too? |
| 09:21.25 | cbreak_work | I don't know. |
| 09:21.31 | Arrowmaster | you used to be able to |
| 09:21.33 | cbreak_work | WoW does not display the real name anywhere |
| 09:21.39 | cbreak_work | don't see why it gets sent to it |
| 09:21.49 | cbreak_work | or you could log in into battle.net, it shows it too :) |
| 09:21.49 | Arrowmaster | but blizz sent it to the client during the login process |
| 09:21.53 | cbreak_work | stupid... |
| 09:22.12 | cbreak_work | sometimes I think they have noob programmers working there |
| 09:22.15 | Trela | There is a lot of useless stuff that is sent back and forth to the client. |
| 09:22.19 | Fisker | qq moar |
| 09:22.28 | Corrodias | i suspect blizzard largely just doesn't care what you think, as long as you'll pay for it |
| 09:22.38 | ZorbaTHut | honestly it's not worth going over every packet with a fine-toothed comb |
| 09:22.45 | ZorbaTHut | they may or may not know about it |
| 09:22.58 | Fisker | ogm blizzard stores my password in memory in plaintext |
| 09:23.00 | Fisker | omgogmgmo |
| 09:23.13 | Trela | Blizzard is spouting tracking of multiple professions in 4.0 as a new feature. If you packet sniffed you would find out that information was being sent to the client regardless if you had the profession. |
| 09:23.29 | Fisker | duh |
| 09:23.41 | Fisker | how is that news? |
| 09:23.57 | ZorbaTHut | what do you mean, tracking of multiple professions? |
| 09:23.57 | Trela | ~Fisker-- |
| 09:24.00 | Arrowmaster | multiple professions? you mean like find herbs and find minerals? |
| 09:24.09 | ZorbaTHut | ah, I see |
| 09:24.12 | Trela | Arrowmaster: Yes. Both tracking at the same time. |
| 09:24.17 | Jamash | blizzard claims copyright ownership of all starcraft II maps, I think you're right corrodias |
| 09:24.18 | Arrowmaster | every MMO has that problem |
| 09:24.27 | Arrowmaster | its how MMOs work |
| 09:24.35 | Fisker | no Arrowmaster |
| 09:24.44 | Corrodias | really? they went the asshole route? |
| 09:24.49 | Jamash | yes |
| 09:24.51 | Jamash | it's in the EULA |
| 09:24.54 | Fisker | you must now get karma'd down(thanks btw) for telling him off |
| 09:25.04 | Fisker | ~Arrowmaster-- |
| 09:25.10 | Corrodias | i will have to check it for myself, but i think i'm just about done with them. |
| 09:25.17 | Arrowmaster | ~karma Arrowmaster |
| 09:25.17 | purl | arrowmaster has karma of 7 |
| 09:25.20 | Corrodias | "had it up to here" and all |
| 09:25.23 | Arrowmaster | ~karma Fisker |
| 09:25.23 | purl | fisker has karma of 13 |
| 09:25.31 | Jamash | I was looking forward to making starcraft II maps |
| 09:25.34 | Jamash | no longer |
| 09:25.43 | Fisker | why were you looking forward to it? |
| 09:25.48 | Fisker | They're regionlocked anyway |
| 09:26.09 | cbreak_work | that's like adobe claiming copyright on all photoshop pictures or apple claiming copyright on all iPhone programs... |
| 09:26.12 | Jamash | I thought it would be a good way to learn game programming without having to write my own engine |
| 09:26.13 | Corrodias | what, the maps? that wouldn't even make sense |
| 09:26.18 | Fisker | there's like 40 custom maps on EU, 30 of them being altered versions of the Blizzard maps |
| 09:26.32 | Jamash | cbreak_work: that's the exact argument I made on the forums |
| 09:26.41 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: is one of them dota? |
| 09:26.41 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, I don't think a lot of people care about region locking |
| 09:26.43 | Jamash | I was told to shut up and drink my arsenic |
| 09:26.48 | Fisker | naw Arrowmaster |
| 09:26.51 | Fisker | there is a dota though |
| 09:26.51 | Trela | How can they region lock a map? |
| 09:26.53 | ZorbaTHut | but they do care about their ideas being completely owned by someone else |
| 09:27.01 | Fisker | Trela it's only published in the region it was made |
| 09:27.08 | Zyn | it's either edits of Blizzard maps, or TD maps |
| 09:27.17 | Fisker | You can obviously just download it and fix the locale and play it on EU |
| 09:27.25 | Trela | Oh, okay. :P |
| 09:27.40 | Jamash | the starcraft II map publishing system is made of fail |
| 09:27.45 | Fisker | very |
| 09:27.46 | cbreak_work | I don't really see the purpose of custom maps |
| 09:27.53 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6xoCSUEedU |
| 09:27.57 | Jamash | they're fun to play? |
| 09:28.05 | cbreak_work | you can't play them in the ladder, so all you could do is play with friends |
| 09:28.09 | Xuerian | .. |
| 09:28.11 | Jamash | ... |
| 09:28.12 | Xuerian | Playing a game for fun? |
| 09:28.13 | Fisker | rickroll Arrowmaster |
| 09:28.14 | Corrodias | is cbreak trollin'? |
| 09:28.14 | Fisker | old news |
| 09:28.18 | Jamash | yes |
| 09:28.20 | Xuerian | Wow. Strange. |
| 09:28.22 | Corrodias | k. |
| 09:28.22 | Xuerian | I mean. |
| 09:28.22 | Arrowmaster | but its epic |
| 09:28.25 | Xuerian | Why would you play a game |
| 09:28.26 | Xuerian | for fun. |
| 09:28.28 | Corrodias | anybody have a link to the eula? |
| 09:28.30 | Jamash | with friends |
| 09:28.31 | Xuerian | is confused. |
| 09:29.05 | Xuerian | </sarcasm> |
| 09:29.06 | Zyn | but I don't want games to be fun and entertaining! they should be stale and boring, and full of dead seriousness! heaven forbid custom maps! |
| 09:29.07 | Zyn | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 09:29.12 | cbreak_work | someone should write an ApplicationProviderLicenseAgreement |
| 09:29.23 | cbreak_work | and each software company that sells software to you gets bound to it |
| 09:29.27 | cbreak_work | by selling stuff to you |
| 09:29.54 | Jamash | I think someone uploaded the sc2 manual to mapster, lemme see |
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| 09:31.19 | Jamash | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/files/439/822/StarCraft_II_Manual.pdf |
| 09:31.19 | Trela | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/5347-all-maps-created-are-owned-by-blizzard |
| 09:31.22 | Trela | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/2701-blizzard-owns-our-maps |
| 09:31.23 | Jamash | page 11 of the pdf |
| 09:31.32 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.41 | Corrodias | thank you |
| 09:31.47 | Trela | I need to talk to people at work about how to make forum software. *Grumbles* |
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| 09:31.57 | Jamash | frankly I think it ought to be illegal |
| 09:32.07 | Corrodias | so what you need is a third-party map maker |
| 09:32.14 | Jamash | there sort of is one |
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| 09:32.55 | Xuerian | Are they claiming ownership at point of upload or point of creation? |
| 09:33.03 | Jamash | creation |
| 09:33.28 | cbreak_work | apparently since you use media and tools in their posession |
| 09:33.39 | Xuerian | flips off Acti-Blizzard randomly. |
| 09:33.49 | Jamash | in fact, they're claiming ownership of any content imported into maps as well |
| 09:34.16 | Jamash | which I guess means you can't use creative commons material in sc2 maps |
| 09:34.20 | Trela | Damn, the Battle.net EULA even lists chat text as owned by them. |
| 09:34.41 | Jamash | well, they claim a perpetual license which is somewhat different |
| 09:34.44 | Arrowmaster | how is that possible there is no chat channels |
| 09:34.49 | Xuerian | I think it's interesting that Korea forced them to change it |
| 09:35.10 | Arrowmaster | shows that Korea actually checks those kinda things |
| 09:35.23 | Jamash | it's a pity that the us government's enforcement of consumer rights is so pitiful |
| 09:35.24 | Xuerian | Well, seeing as it's practically their national sport.. |
| 09:35.26 | Corrodias | welp, that's about it, i think. i've had enough of their BS. |
| 09:35.26 | cbreak_work | free market? |
| 09:35.38 | Jamash | cbreak_work: hahahahaha, that's funny |
| 09:35.52 | Corrodias | nobody cares about user rights, especially the users. how many copies did sc2 sell already? |
| 09:36.04 | Arrowmaster | but i guess the US FTC doesnt think it needs to since in the US EULA's are both binding and nonbinding |
| 09:36.17 | cbreak_work | Corrodias: I think it's rather that the users don't care about the EULAs |
| 09:36.25 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: well its not like you can read the EULA before buying it |
| 09:36.29 | cbreak_work | they just use their rights even if the eula says they can't |
| 09:36.48 | Corrodias | that seems unwise. |
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| 09:37.03 | cbreak_work | wise users? ha. ha. |
| 09:37.39 | Fisker | i came |
| 09:37.46 | Xuerian | ^ |
| 09:38.24 | Arrowmaster | normal people dont bother with EULA's because they already know its got something in there like this one that they think is blatantly illegal and would never hold up in court |
| 09:39.02 | Xuerian | For a few months I actually sat down and read everything in each EULA I agreed to. I eventually gave up. I'm a next-clicker. |
| 09:39.19 | Corrodias | in any case, the public has voted with their money, and i am voting with mine. i have a hundred other games i've paid for that i have yet to play. blizzard's twice-in-a-decade non-WoW releases will not be joining them. |
| 09:39.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah im returning SC2 |
| 09:39.49 | Jamash | good luck with that |
| 09:39.55 | Arrowmaster | why its unopened |
| 09:40.05 | Jamash | you might have breathed on it |
| 09:40.14 | Corrodias | ah, i wasted my money on that authenticator shortly after quitting WoW. can't get a refund, i suppose. |
| 09:40.20 | Arrowmaster | its the copy i finally got in the mail a few days after release |
| 09:40.43 | Fisker | no need to good luck on that |
| 09:40.53 | Trela | Arrowmaster: Unfortunately those illegal clauses will always hold up because it will cost millions to sue a large company like Blizzard. D: |
| 09:40.56 | Fisker | It's your standard shrinkwrap case |
| 09:41.04 | Fisker | Blizzard will lose that any time of the day etc. |
| 09:41.29 | Corrodias | Trela: well, he did say "that they think is blatantly illegal" |
| 09:41.42 | Arrowmaster | Trela: 1 sec im going to go make an sc2 map that when loaded plays the full avatar movie |
| 09:41.50 | Trela | WIN! |
| 09:41.56 | Arrowmaster | blizzard will love that one |
| 09:42.07 | Corrodias | that means Activision owns James Cameron, right? |
| 09:42.21 | cbreak_work | blizzard claims copyright on avatar! News at 11! |
| 09:42.28 | Jamash | jokes on you, you can only upload 10mb maximum |
| 09:42.45 | cbreak_work | if you compress avatar to the story, 10kb should be enough |
| 09:43.06 | Jamash | oh snap |
| 09:43.19 | Trela | 160x320 low bit rate avatar! |
| 09:43.21 | Fisker | just ascii avatar it is |
| 09:43.27 | Fisker | s/is// |
| 09:43.31 | Arrowmaster | but i dont have to upload it, just create it |
| 09:43.37 | cbreak_work | just make game chars act it out |
| 09:43.45 | Arrowmaster | cbreak_work: rofl |
| 09:43.48 | Arrowmaster | that would be epic |
| 09:44.08 | Wobin | You should do the same with StarWars Ep 1-3 |
| 09:44.13 | Wobin | You wouldn't even have to try to act |
| 09:44.39 | Corrodias | nice |
| 09:44.51 | Arrowmaster | with all the stuff blizzard put in for doing their own damn cutscenes using the game engine i bet it would turn out fucking epic if you put a lot of work into it |
| 09:44.56 | Trela | There is a quote on the SC2Mapster forums about how Blizzard adds these clauses to prevent being sued. Such as, if some one commits suicide over a map. If Blizzard owns all the content, then technically they would be the ones to sue since they claimed ownership. :P |
| 09:46.32 | Kalroth | cbreak_work: could you make a SC2 map of the goatse picture and upload it? |
| 09:46.39 | Fisker | you could |
| 09:46.48 | Fisker | might want to create a trial account though |
| 09:46.54 | Kalroth | would Blizzard then claim copyright on the goatse butt?! |
| 09:47.23 | Arrowmaster | i think Time magazine already has |
| 09:47.52 | Corrodias | every little thing they've done between D2 and now has just made me less an less enthusiastic about their games |
| 09:48.26 | Corrodias | well, no, there was some entertainment in WoW. though that kind of fluctuated. |
| 09:48.43 | cbreak_work | Kalroth: I do not know what goatse looks like and I don't want to find out. |
| 09:49.22 | Kalroth | cbreak_work: Imagine Fisker naked. Sorry! |
| 09:49.44 | cbreak_work | spare me. |
| 09:51.25 | Trela | cbreak_work: Ever watch Ace Ventura, Pet Detective? Think of the when he bends over doing the talking butt, but with no pants or underwear. |
| 09:51.42 | Xuerian | twitches. |
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| 09:53.30 | Trela | Good night! |
| 09:53.42 | Fisker | hey Trela |
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| 10:22.52 | Krahg | How do I know if I can hook a function or not? I don't think the one I got is what I want, but I can't seem to do anything with the one I want. |
| 10:27.27 | Arrowmaster | well you can hook anything, do you mean how do you know if you can safely hook a function? |
| 10:28.10 | Krahg | well I hadn't really thought about safely or not... but that might be good to know. |
| 10:29.20 | Krahg | I tried using this: ToggleDropDownMenu() and I have my custome function working, but I don't think it was the right one. |
| 10:29.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats probably not a good one to hook |
| 10:30.00 | Krahg | ChatChannelDropDown_Initialize() looks more like what I want... but using exactly the same code as the other one, isn't working. |
| 10:30.41 | Krahg | in ChatChannelDropDown_Initialize() I can see it add buttons and functions, so I think that is what I want.... I don't see it adding all the buttons though so I could be wrong. |
| 10:31.31 | Krahg | It adds the playername, makes it noclick and calls the function to add the button |
| 10:32.11 | Arrowmaster | i havent looked at any of the new chatframe stuff so ive got no clue |
| 10:33.39 | Krahg | my idea is when a player gossips "looking for JC" or "Are there BS there?" or whatever |
| 10:34.18 | Krahg | I can right click their name choose an item from my menu and call a function that whispers them my link with a short message. |
| 10:34.30 | Krahg | I have all except the menu worked out... |
| 10:35.44 | Krahg | does that make any sense? |
| 10:35.51 | Cide | it makes nah sense |
| 10:35.59 | Krahg | oh |
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| 10:36.14 | Krahg | what is 'nah' |
| 10:37.07 | Krahg | nvm I found it |
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| 11:00.34 | Cide | where is Shirik when you need him |
| 11:01.18 | amro | sleeping like a baby |
| 11:02.23 | Cide | what a bitch |
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| 11:02.57 | Kalroth | You actually need Shirik? Man, worst Monday ever, eh? |
| 11:03.02 | Cide | indeed |
| 11:03.14 | Cide | I need him to tell me not to do potentially dangerous stuff |
| 11:03.41 | amro | you're asking Shirik for that? |
| 11:03.42 | Cide | now I just do them anyway |
| 11:03.51 | Cide | like deleting pointers to potentially active objects |
| 11:03.57 | Cide | just because I can |
| 11:04.34 | amro | you can also delete 0x243243; |
| 11:04.37 | amro | just because you can |
| 11:04.51 | amro | add a (void*) to that |
| 11:05.07 | Cide | yeah but that would break the contract |
| 11:05.16 | Cide | deleting this pointer doesn't |
| 11:05.20 | Cide | so no crashes if people adhere |
| 11:06.22 | amro | need more context |
| 11:06.40 | amro | generally I delete pointers from the same place they were created |
| 11:06.45 | Cide | I have a database of stuff |
| 11:06.50 | Cide | people can access said database |
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| 11:07.03 | Cide | but the contract says the objects may not be kept around |
| 11:07.07 | Cide | because they can change later |
| 11:07.11 | Cide | or in this case get deleted |
| 11:07.37 | amro | ah, yeah |
| 11:07.44 | amro | but how do you define the lifetime? |
| 11:07.53 | Cide | well |
| 11:08.16 | Cide | it's single-threaded for now so it's good for as long as your function block |
| 11:08.19 | Cide | is running |
| 11:08.25 | Cide | hmm wait a minute |
| 11:08.30 | Cide | that's not actually true |
| 11:08.32 | amro | as long as it's clearly defined and not subject to change |
| 11:08.35 | Cide | blah I need to keep them around |
| 11:08.36 | amro | then yeah, delete it |
| 11:08.53 | Cide | bah |
| 11:09.13 | amro | if you're writing some sort of API, beware of changing the lifetime later on since it can easily break shit |
| 11:09.22 | Cide | yeah don't worry |
| 11:09.27 | Cide | but I realized my design is off |
| 11:10.15 | Cide | this is not ideal |
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| 11:14.30 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 11:14.39 | Cide | hi |
| 11:15.50 | Cide | how are you fiskarer? |
| 11:16.01 | Fisker | grr |
| 11:16.09 | Fisker | why can't you cancel a countdown on your own hosted game vs. ai |
| 11:16.27 | Cide | you can't leave during countdown in custom games afaik either |
| 11:16.56 | foxlit | ALT-F4 out |
| 11:17.13 | Fisker | yeah |
| 11:17.18 | Fisker | and then restart the game |
| 11:17.20 | Fisker | what a convenience |
| 11:17.43 | foxlit | or just be less indecisive after pressing start? :) |
| 11:18.03 | amro | why hasn't router technology improved at all in the past decade? |
| 11:18.15 | amro | newer models are worse than ever before |
| 11:18.59 | Cide | foxlit, can't do anything about it if you're not the host |
| 11:19.04 | Fisker | wtf |
| 11:19.13 | Fisker | this ai goes all in even further away from the base |
| 11:19.14 | Fisker | raaaaaaaaaaaage |
| 11:19.28 | Cide | stop being bad |
| 11:19.37 | Fisker | foxlit it's not about being indecisive it's just that retarded game keeps resetting my race when i want to be protoss |
| 11:19.46 | Cide | I got gold star on the ghost unit kill achievement |
| 11:19.49 | Cide | first try |
| 11:19.51 | Cide | gg me |
| 11:20.01 | Cide | or challenge rather |
| 11:20.09 | Fisker | k |
| 11:23.39 | Cide | what u say? |
| 11:24.17 | zenzelezz | we get signal |
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| 11:28.45 | Cide | ohnoe |
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| 12:34.22 | zenzelezz | ohai thar peppy |
| 12:39.52 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzelezz. |
| 12:48.36 | Krahg | have a good whatever time of day it is. |
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| 13:21.15 | industrial | I lost the game |
| 13:21.20 | industrial | like, I can't find it anymore. |
| 13:21.40 | Fisker | p9s industrial |
| 13:21.41 | Fisker | p9s |
| 13:24.10 | Fisker | lol |
| 13:24.20 | Fisker | "ZOMG BLIZZARD BAN ME FOR NO REASON JUST BECAUSE I MAKE MANY MONEY ON AH" |
| 13:24.33 | Fisker | "No their automated safeguards aren't that easy" |
| 13:24.37 | Fisker | "zomg yes they are lolol" |
| 13:24.39 | frontendloader | poor ZorbaTHut, your sarcasm is lost on redditors :/ |
| 13:24.41 | Fisker | "Oh wait, i've been hacked" |
| 13:24.42 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 13:24.42 | Fisker | . |
| 13:25.07 | Wobin | http://www.gamepro.com/video/news/145724/ea-sports-mma-bas-rutten-interview/ |
| 13:25.08 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 13:25.13 | Wobin | I utterly <3 Bas |
| 13:25.27 | frontendloader | I'm a little skeptical of depositing all of the gold I've made into a gbank Fisker :/ |
| 13:25.50 | frontendloader | since it is more than a goldcap I want to put it all in one place for the time being |
| 13:26.08 | Fisker | why skeptical? |
| 13:26.55 | frontendloader | because guild banks are a big part of the way people are running scams lately |
| 13:26.57 | Fisker | They restore both items and gold stolen from you as well as the guild bank |
| 13:27.28 | frontendloader | Depositing gold in to a guildbank is less traceable than trading it |
| 13:27.38 | frontendloader | so depositing large amounts is suspicious |
| 13:28.04 | frontendloader | So what you do is you scam some people, deposit that gold in to a guild bank, then withdraw it on any number of other accounts. |
| 13:28.16 | Kraps | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/july/cataclysmelemental.jpg |
| 13:29.05 | Fisker | Maybe if the other accounts aren't yours |
| 13:29.37 | Fisker | besides the player would have to have nothing on his scamming account, and even so i don't think the GM would go "Lol guildbank, can't do shit" |
| 13:29.42 | Fisker | but idk |
| 13:30.26 | Kalroth | udk |
| 13:31.22 | Kraps | wait is there a new build today? |
| 13:31.57 | Fisker | what does your heart tell you Kraps ? |
| 13:32.28 | Kraps | that it will go on |
| 13:33.34 | Kraps | install requires 12 gb WTF |
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| 13:36.52 | Fisker | 12GB warcraft text file? |
| 13:36.53 | Fisker | impossible |
| 13:39.25 | Kraps | starcraft |
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| 13:43.18 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDeFBAT1IEo&feature=player_embedded |
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| 13:47.33 | cogwheel | morning |
| 13:47.51 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/fishy_smell.jpg |
| 13:49.56 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYKqRRKpDo&feature=player_embedded |
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| 13:52.32 | Cairenn|afk | Wobin: awwww, poor static dog |
| 13:52.52 | Cairenn|afk | I've seen cat vs treadmill before, but it's still funny |
| 13:53.01 | Wobin | he whacks it something terrible! |
| 13:53.40 | zenzelezz | don't we all |
| 13:53.49 | Cairenn|afk | yeah, that black and white one really is trying to kill it, isn't he? |
| 13:54.14 | Cairenn|afk | (this isn't the cats vs treadmill that I thought it was) |
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| 13:55.58 | Wobin | ahah http://tenthunders.otherskies.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/bank002.jpg |
| 13:56.05 | Fisker | jerk Wobin |
| 13:56.09 | cogwheel | so... thanks to my raise, we've decided to head down to anaheim during blizzcon =) |
| 13:56.14 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 13:56.25 | Fisker | why cogwheel ? |
| 13:56.31 | Cairenn | cogwheel: \o |
| 13:56.34 | Fisker | so you can stand outside in the cold? |
| 13:56.47 | cogwheel | Fisker: there's a disneyland across the street |
| 13:57.04 | Fisker | awww cogwheel |
| 13:57.10 | Fisker | you going to visit Uncle Mickey? |
| 13:57.18 | Fisker | pets cogwheel |
| 13:57.25 | cogwheel | and maybe open a Mickey's with Unkle |
| 13:57.27 | Lopeppeppy | And Cairenn! |
| 13:57.34 | cogwheel | (unkle being lunessa) |
| 13:58.07 | cogwheel | caffeinates |
| 13:59.04 | Cairenn | cogwheel: I'm not positive, but I think there may be one or two spare tickets still floating around for purchase |
| 13:59.32 | Cairenn | cogwheel: check with both Seerah and Lunessa when they get in channel |
| 14:01.52 | cogwheel | will do :) |
| 14:02.53 | Fisker | I will buy them for twice what cogwheel's offering |
| 14:03.20 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, you really ate the crack cornflakes this morning, didn't you dear? |
| 14:03.25 | Fisker | and don't offer -1$ cogwheel |
| 14:04.05 | Fisker | nah crackflakes with liquid crack Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:04.43 | Lopeppeppy | I have this tshirt. I'm sooooo happy with it. http://www.snorgtees.com/rawrmeansiloveyou-p-622.html?osCsid=8ddc0074a85bf7a09a0a11aee6b2d4e2 |
| 14:04.50 | cogwheel | hai alestane |
| 14:05.03 | alestane | hai2u2 |
| 14:05.19 | Fisker | rawr alestane |
| 14:05.37 | zenzelezz | bah, I really hate timed missions... even when they're lenient in your speed |
| 14:05.40 | alestane | RAWR |
| 14:06.36 | alestane | (keep in mind that rawr means everything else in dinosaur, too) |
| 14:06.53 | yoshimo | i love the cataclysm 5mans, instances i cant do while sleeping ;) |
| 14:06.54 | zenzelezz | basically the same as wookie then |
| 14:07.14 | Fisker | aww alestane |
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| 14:07.31 | cogwheel | hai malreth |
| 14:07.51 | malreth | cogwheel: hai2u2 |
| 14:08.05 | Lopeppeppy | rawr is sort of the "aloha" of dino. |
| 14:08.12 | cogwheel | malreth: epic\ |
| 14:08.18 | cogwheel | 07:04 < cogwheel> hai alestane |
| 14:08.18 | cogwheel | 07:05 <+alestane> hai2u2 |
| 14:08.29 | malreth | prehuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, malreth! |
| 14:08.55 | malreth | cogwheel: how coincidental! |
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| 14:09.20 | cogwheel | malreth: i no rite?! how could it possibly be! |
| 14:09.48 | malreth | alestane and i must have some sort of telepathic link with each other |
| 14:09.55 | alestane | "I love you," "how are the kids," "I'm going to rip your face off." |
| 14:10.13 | alestane | It's versatile that way. |
| 14:12.14 | Lopeppeppy | Mew. |
| 14:12.47 | alestane | So is that. |
| 14:12.50 | alestane | Mraou |
| 14:15.23 | alestane | I sent MoonWitch back to bed for you, Cairenn, but I don't think she listened. |
| 14:15.33 | Cairenn | I saw, thank you. |
| 14:15.51 | Cairenn | Seerah and I take turns trying to get her to sleep. |
| 14:16.13 | Shirik | the irony |
| 14:16.16 | Shirik | kills me |
| 14:16.19 | Shirik | I'm dying |
| 14:16.21 | Shirik | goodbye |
| 14:16.31 | Shirik | or is that hypocrisy instead? |
| 14:16.32 | Cairenn | Shirik: I've been in bed by midnight 3 nights running now |
| 14:16.41 | zenzelezz | <Cairenn> Seerah and I take turns trying to get her to sleep. <--- would've been so much more fun if you said "to bed" |
| 14:16.50 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: ;) |
| 14:17.15 | alestane | I think part of it is she's a night-owl to begin with...many geeks are. |
| 14:17.43 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: if it were 'in bed', there wouldn't be any 'trying' involved ;) |
| 14:18.05 | malreth | posthuggles Cairenn |
| 14:18.13 | Cairenn | huggles malreth |
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| 14:18.26 | Fisker | detonates a thermonuclear-device |
| 14:18.51 | malreth | ~whaleshield |
| 14:18.52 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield malreth from the blast. |
| 14:18.55 | alestane | For one thing, I don't think she'd put up much of aright. |
| 14:19.06 | alestane | fight* |
| 14:19.15 | cog|away | to work |
| 14:19.42 | Kraps | so some of you live together? |
| 14:19.54 | malreth | Kraps: we all live together |
| 14:19.55 | malreth | in tribes |
| 14:20.25 | Fisker | you guys still play Tribes? |
| 14:20.32 | Fisker | That game was awesome |
| 14:20.49 | alestane | We certainly spend most of our time in one place, anyway. |
| 14:21.04 | alestane | Even if it is a virtual place. |
| 14:21.46 | Kraps | alestane: i'm quite aware of the _virtual_ place |
| 14:22.03 | Lopeppeppy | alestane and I live "relatively" near one another, only 3.5 hours or so. |
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| 14:23.28 | Kraps | new jersey, connecticut? ;) |
| 14:23.46 | Kraps | canada! |
| 14:24.05 | Kraps | no thats like 8 hours |
| 14:25.13 | Adys | gtx460 > 9800gtx+ ? |
| 14:25.15 | alestane | Lopeppeppy is probably about halfway between me and Cairenn ...maybe a bit close to me. |
| 14:25.18 | Adys | in terms of perf |
| 14:25.26 | Cairenn | what alestane said |
| 14:26.10 | Fisker | cog|away |
| 14:26.11 | Kraps | so Cairenn is in canada |
| 14:26.12 | Kraps | ... |
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| 14:26.17 | Fisker | think i could travel the world by posting on twitter? |
| 14:26.20 | Cairenn | Kraps: well known fact, yes |
| 14:26.25 | Lothaer | ishudaldieb |
| 14:26.26 | mikma | cairenn: he said: "Lopeppeppy is probably about halfway between me and Cairenn ...maybe a bit close to me." |
| 14:26.49 | mikma | pokey pokey |
| 14:26.57 | Lothaer | greetings all |
| 14:27.03 | alestane | Meant "closer" |
| 14:27.04 | Cairenn | hi Lothaer |
| 14:27.18 | Lothaer | whats new? |
| 14:27.52 | Cairenn | not much, you? |
| 14:28.31 | Lothaer | i was just trying to get a Garrosh Raid together, wanted to go initiate him in his new position as Warchief :D |
| 14:28.56 | Lothaer | but it dosnt seem like anyone is interested |
| 14:29.40 | Kraps | so alestane is near albany and Lopeppeppy is near binghamton |
| 14:29.50 | Kraps | is satisfied |
| 14:29.56 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 14:30.04 | Cairenn | no? |
| 14:30.08 | Kraps | XD |
| 14:30.17 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 14:30.22 | alestane | And Kraps is wrong, but that's okay. |
| 14:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | I live in Colorado. |
| 14:30.33 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: rofl |
| 14:30.42 | Kraps | lieeeeees |
| 14:30.53 | Lopeppeppy | Well, yeah, but you're just about that wrong, Kraps. |
| 14:30.53 | Shirik | so you mean there's actually something of value in Colorado now? |
| 14:31.10 | mikma | wobin: http://www.wimp.com/customtrack/ |
| 14:31.21 | nicoli_s | id love to live in colorado, assuming i can escape the cold |
| 14:31.38 | Lopeppeppy | Colorado has cold right in the word, nicoli_s. |
| 14:31.42 | alestane | laughs with Shirik on that one. |
| 14:31.54 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 14:32.22 | Lothaer | it also has Color |
| 14:32.26 | Lothaer | :D |
| 14:32.28 | Cairenn | points at Zhinjio |
| 14:33.11 | Lothaer | hey Cairenn hows the mass addon uploads goin :D |
| 14:33.20 | Cairenn | slowed down, yay |
| 14:33.26 | Lothaer | finally :D |
| 14:33.31 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 14:33.47 | Lothaer | just wait until Blizz enables addons on the beta :D |
| 14:33.54 | Cairenn | aye |
| 14:34.01 | Cairenn | but that's fine :) |
| 14:34.12 | Lothaer | sure is it means i can get to work :D |
| 14:34.38 | Fisker | xD |
| 14:34.51 | Fisker | that pachter guy on gametrailers is so full of shit |
| 14:35.03 | Lothaer | i was bored in the beta so i decied to go kill the new bosses in Stocks :D |
| 14:36.43 | Spejnar | elwynn forest was merely a setback <3 |
| 14:36.44 | yoshimo | im still learning the new 5mans... looks like aoeing them down isnt the best idea |
| 14:37.34 | Lothaer | Spejnar: funny as hell huh :D |
| 14:37.39 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, what did I forget to pack for Pennsic? Granting that all of the tent stuff comes from The Boyfriend. I know I'm forgetting things! |
| 14:38.01 | Shirik | here kd3 you're smart |
| 14:38.02 | Shirik | you around? |
| 14:38.16 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: charger and laptop cables |
| 14:38.33 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: food, clothes, first aid kit, tent, sleeping bag/linens, cooking and eating supplies? |
| 14:38.40 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: money |
| 14:38.58 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: id |
| 14:39.07 | Legorol | rain coat |
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| 14:39.21 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: emergency contact info, medical info |
| 14:39.42 | Legorol | spare battery for mobile in case there is no chance to charge |
| 14:40.14 | nicoli_s | hand gun |
| 14:40.42 | Legorol | is this what you are going to : http://www.pennsicwar.org/penn39/ |
| 14:40.45 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: meds |
| 14:41.00 | Legorol | insect repellant, suncream |
| 14:41.00 | Cairenn | Legorol: yes, lucky girl, I is teh jealous |
| 14:41.17 | Legorol | ideally, suncream with insect repellant, dunno if you get them over there or not |
| 14:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, got all that (barring laptop, going unplugged). I have this nagging feeling I'm forgetting something! |
| 14:41.34 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: if you have that stuff, you're pretty much set, anything else can be dealt with on-site if necessary |
| 14:41.40 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol, I'm a redhead, I have 3 types of sunscreen and 2 bug repellants. :) |
| 14:41.43 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: inflatable mattress for tent? |
| 14:41.50 | alestane | yoshimo: They've said they don't want instances to be so much about ape spam. |
| 14:41.54 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol, got! Plus charger for it. |
| 14:41.58 | Cairenn | Legorol: that falls under the sleeping bag etc |
| 14:42.03 | Legorol | ah |
| 14:42.07 | alestane | Aoe* |
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| 14:42.11 | Legorol | i always consider them separate |
| 14:42.13 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah Cairenn, and a trip to New Castle for anything not on site. |
| 14:42.31 | alestane | Ii na. |
| 14:42.33 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: full plate armor? |
| 14:42.36 | Lopeppeppy | Food will be tricky with the diet from hell, but I have a box of acceptable nosh. |
| 14:42.40 | Legorol | what alestane said |
| 14:42.52 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol, I can't fight, medical restriction. No headshots means no head shots, ever. |
| 14:43.07 | alestane | stows away in Peppy's suitcase. |
| 14:43.10 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: very little that you couldn't get right there on-site if you needed it, and without paying at that - we're talking SCAdians here |
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| 14:43.31 | Cairenn | alestane: git out, yer squishing me! I've already stowed away in here! |
| 14:43.32 | Lothaer | Cairenn: dont forget your toothbrush |
| 14:43.44 | alestane | Peppy has a funky shoulder. |
| 14:43.57 | Lopeppeppy | We're a three-camp consortium, *someone* has what I need, or knows someone who does. :) |
| 14:44.05 | yoshimo | alestane, i can imagine, but i think aoeing that packs , dying and then removing the bad pallyhealer isnt a good idea :P |
| 14:44.20 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: you're camping with 12k of your best friends, if you need it you would be taken care of |
| 14:44.29 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, this one is the eyeballs and the bad juju about susceptible to bleeding. |
| 14:44.32 | Legorol | you got your Thermos too? |
| 14:44.34 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: I can give you emergency contact info if you really need |
| 14:44.42 | Cairenn | on-site contact, that is |
| 14:45.08 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, I'll be good. I think it's just typical "omg, I'm not ready for vacation" jitters, you know? |
| 14:45.25 | Cairenn | find Kilkenny camp, right up in the Coopers' back yard, tell them you're my friend, you would get any and all help you could possibly need |
| 14:45.27 | Kraps | lol the tutorial is sick |
| 14:45.27 | Legorol | paper and pen! |
| 14:45.36 | Legorol | everyone always assumes that someone must've brought paper and pen |
| 14:45.43 | Legorol | and a pack of playing cards |
| 14:46.01 | Lopeppeppy | Backyardigans! :) |
| 14:46.19 | Legorol | Kraps: Cata or SC2? |
| 14:46.34 | Kraps | sc2 |
| 14:46.57 | Lopeppeppy | I've got Bergental, Rainesfolk (I never spell that right), the gladiators, Clan Campbell, and a few other campsites beyond mine. It's nice to have friends scattered all over. |
| 14:47.00 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: you know when you drive into the site, heading up to Troll, there's the road way to your right with a gate, that has some camps right behind a house and the other side of the road is the merchants? on your left is the battlefield? |
| 14:47.06 | Lopeppeppy | From the bog to the Serengeti! |
| 14:47.33 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, I know that area. |
| 14:47.45 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: that's Kilkenny - and the Aussies |
| 14:47.53 | Cairenn | They're part of our household too |
| 14:48.17 | Cairenn | you walk into either of those camps, say you're looking for kilkenny, tell them you're Cairenn's friend, and anything you need you're covered |
| 14:49.08 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* Awesome new people to meet! |
| 14:49.14 | Cairenn | hell, you could ask where Kilkenny camps pretty much anywhere on the entire f'ing site and people could direct you there, we've RUN Pennsic enough times |
| 14:50.07 | Cairenn | it's so nice not having to queue up for land-grab |
| 14:50.32 | alestane | makes a note to remember Cairenn's friends. |
| 14:50.33 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. I always feel bad for the camp leader, who commutes to work from Pennsic, 2 hours each way, the first week... |
| 14:50.51 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: the next camp over is the disabled camping |
| 14:50.54 | Lopeppeppy | She's made of insanity. But her hot water heater rules my world! |
| 14:51.04 | Cairenn | that, too, is a good way to help figure out where we are |
| 14:52.04 | Cairenn | alestane: my Duchess was the Society Seneschel for a lot of years |
| 14:52.14 | nicoli_s | so what is this pennsic thing again? |
| 14:52.19 | Lopeppeppy | That was one of my first landmarks 3 years ago, the disabled camping. I got lost a lot. |
| 14:52.20 | Cairenn | SCA |
| 14:52.37 | Lopeppeppy | nicoli_s, it's the huge yearly gathering of SCA folk for war. And peace. And socializing. |
| 14:52.42 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 14:52.56 | Lopeppeppy | 12K people dominating the campground, local economy, and food supply. And beer supply. |
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| 14:53.13 | alestane | is not a Acadian, but always likes knowing people who know people. |
| 14:53.33 | alestane | Stupid auto-correct. |
| 14:53.42 | alestane | Scadian* |
| 14:53.54 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: well, if you're standing on that road that seperates Merchants from Camping, facing the disabled camping, battlefield is across the main road to your right - disabled straight ahead of you ... little driveway that leads up to the house to the right of disabled, then another camp - that camp is Kilkenny |
| 14:54.06 | Cairenn | (unless they've moved disabled, which I doubt) |
| 14:54.36 | Cairenn | you should go introduce yourself anyway, whether you need help or not |
| 14:54.47 | Cairenn | they love meeting new people's :) |
| 14:54.56 | Lopeppeppy | I'll do that, Cairenn. New people are awesome! |
| 14:55.22 | Lopeppeppy | I have to ask around for camping space next year, I'm not sure my own camp will have space, it keeps growing. |
| 14:55.25 | Cairenn | Cairenn's friend (Gavin's niece, Dafydd's wife) |
| 14:57.13 | nicoli_s | im ready for blizzcon! |
| 14:57.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Pennsic is effectlvely Blizzcon for Scadians! ... just bigger. |
| 14:58.03 | Cairenn | much MUCH bigger |
| 14:58.10 | nicoli_s | very cool |
| 14:58.17 | nicoli_s | i love large gathering of like minded people |
| 14:58.43 | nicoli_s | thats why i have to go to at least one big music fest each year, gotta commune with my hippie brethren |
| 14:58.54 | alestane | I have a flight and a hotel already (and they're paid for already, money can't get sucked into emergency car repairs this year) |
| 14:59.27 | nicoli_s | i still need to get my flight, thankfully im mooching off of ckknight's hotel room |
| 14:59.48 | Lopeppeppy | sharing hotel rooms makes it totally worthwhile! |
| 14:59.58 | alestane | Sounds like about the same people count as blizzcon, but more space and longer. |
| 15:00.05 | nicoli_s | and curse picked up the ticket price thankfuklly |
| 15:00.25 | Cairenn | alestane: hah, not |
| 15:00.40 | Cairenn | alestane: BC doesn't even come close |
| 15:00.46 | alestane | BlizzCon |
| 15:00.46 | Lopeppeppy | how many tickets are sold for BC? |
| 15:01.08 | alestane | About 11.5k IIRC |
| 15:01.20 | Cairenn | was it really that many last year? |
| 15:01.25 | Cairenn | okay, getting close then, yeah |
| 15:01.33 | Lopeppeppy | I remember 5K. |
| 15:01.45 | Cairenn | I thought more like 5k as well |
| 15:01.54 | alestane | That's the number I remember. Could always be wrong. |
| 15:02.17 | Lopeppeppy | 8k is what the wiki says. |
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| 15:03.23 | Lopeppeppy | 15K includes the online participants, not just the ones physically there, for 2009. |
| 15:03.40 | alestane | A blog article about 2008 says, "10,000+ tickets sold in a matter of minutes." |
| 15:03.42 | Lopeppeppy | and I know TONS of people paid for that "attendance" just for the pet. |
| 15:04.54 | Lopeppeppy | 12K is the top number for Pennsic, but it's a constantly rotating group. People come for first week, leave. Others come for second week only. So total attendance is higher, IIRC, than max attendance. |
| 15:05.32 | alestane | It does also estimate that at least half the tickets were probably not used for in-person attendance, although that was a pre-estimate. |
| 15:05.34 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: so is THAT how they are getting around it? |
| 15:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | Getting around... ? |
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| 15:07.55 | alestane | One post describes 2009 as "30,000 people in attendance," which I think is a total fiction. |
| 15:10.29 | Lopeppeppy | Very fiction! |
| 15:13.08 | alestane | The BlizzCon site only has info for this year, and no ticket counts |
| 15:13.52 | yoshimo | this world_marker in the ui diff for the beta, do you think that might be something to explain tactics like avr had? |
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| 15:14.07 | cog|work | i remember in 08 they originally had 8000 tickets but added 4000 more after website problems and a sellout in 2 days |
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| 15:15.35 | Adys | http://www.lelombrik.net/images/32990/its-a-trap.html |
| 15:15.50 | alestane | So yeah, I'd guess it's probably about 20-30% behind in both total tickets and attendance. |
| 15:16.11 | Adys | cog|work: that sounds incredibly low |
| 15:16.15 | Adys | 12k tickets? |
| 15:16.26 | Adys | blizzcon 2009 had something like 20-25k didnt it? |
| 15:17.11 | cog|work | Adys: it's incredibly low compared to what they could've sold, sure. i wasn't there for 09 though, so i dunno |
| 15:19.09 | cog|work | or wait in 07 they sold out in 2 days ... in 08 wasn't it like 15 minutes? |
| 15:19.50 | Lopeppeppy | Online participants, Adys. :) |
| 15:20.08 | Adys | cog|work: sounds about right |
| 15:20.12 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: what else? |
| 15:20.18 | Adys | there arent that many non-store invitees |
| 15:20.25 | Adys | maybe 1000-1500 top |
| 15:20.25 | yoshimo | what graphiccard would you reccomend to be able to raid 25mans on ultrasettings with cataclysm? |
| 15:20.50 | Adys | yoshimo: any nvidia with range-or-better perf than 9800gtx+ |
| 15:21.06 | Adys | which includes all the 4xx range i think |
| 15:22.39 | Legorol | mm, are there no multiplayer tutorials for SC2? |
| 15:22.45 | Legorol | i thought i heard about them somwehere.. |
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| 15:31.42 | Fisker | is the 9800gtx+ the dualgpu card? |
| 15:31.56 | Xinhuan | if you buy any card now |
| 15:32.01 | Xinhuan | you should get one that supports directx 11 |
| 15:32.08 | Xinhuan | gtx470 or 480 |
| 15:33.10 | Fisker | i thought i saw each round of blizzcon tickets with atleast 10k tickets |
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| 15:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | blizcon is a ghost town! rawr. |
| 15:36.17 | foxlit | Fisker: no. |
| 15:36.27 | Fisker | yes foxlit |
| 15:36.38 | yoshimo | so its nvidias turn this time, no ati cards? |
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| 15:36.42 | foxlit | It's just a 9800gtx with higher clock frequencies |
| 15:37.05 | Fisker | oh |
| 15:37.16 | Fisker | thought you were talking about the blizzcon tickets |
| 15:37.30 | Fisker | anyways if it's only that i seriously believe that it's better than the GTX480 |
| 15:37.32 | Fisker | 460* |
| 15:37.33 | PProvost | Xinhuan: GTX 460 too |
| 15:37.48 | PProvost | Fisker: don't like the 460? |
| 15:37.57 | Fisker | As far as i recall the 9800GTX is just a rebranded, downzied and slightly overclocked 8800GTS |
| 15:38.09 | Fisker | huh PProvost ? |
| 15:38.10 | Kraps | medics are sexy |
| 15:39.27 | PProvost | Fisker: nvm. I misread what you typed |
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| 15:48.21 | Kraps | "jim raynor, killing women and children" lulz |
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| 15:48.42 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:49.41 | Maldivia | wagon |
| 15:49.50 | Lopeppeppy | heya, Lunessa! |
| 15:51.37 | Fisker | old Kraps |
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| 15:54.08 | Lothaer | does anyone know where i can find the new dungeon levels for the old azeroth dungeons? |
| 15:54.09 | Adys | Fisker, well |
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| 15:54.34 | Adys | what would you recommend for a new nvidia card that supports dx11 and is still on budget? (<250 euros) |
| 15:55.10 | Lothaer | i got the nvidia210 |
| 15:55.23 | Lothaer | dosnt have all the bells and whitles but it works :D |
| 15:55.35 | Lothaer | whistles* |
| 15:55.41 | Lopeppeppy | hates the internets |
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| 15:56.35 | Maldivia | hmm, are there any dx11 cards with passive cooling out there yet? |
| 15:56.58 | Maldivia | now that dx11 cards were mentiomed |
| 15:57.08 | cog|work | Lunessa: hai |
| 15:57.18 | Lunessa | o hai |
| 15:57.54 | yoshimo | fisker reccommending 440⬠cards ;) |
| 15:58.54 | Fisker | where did i recommend 440⬠cards? :o |
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| 16:00.52 | yoshimo | the 480 with dx11 support |
| 16:01.04 | Fisker | no |
| 16:01.34 | Kalroth | 5970 or gtfo |
| 16:01.38 | Kalroth | 480+ is a waste |
| 16:01.46 | Fisker | naw |
| 16:01.50 | Fisker | ATi is a waste |
| 16:02.13 | Kalroth | SC2 doesn't make ATi burn and crash |
| 16:02.30 | Fisker | not nvidia either |
| 16:02.37 | Kalroth | wrong |
| 16:02.39 | Fisker | don't you have a cursor to find anywho? |
| 16:02.54 | Fisker | or maybe some reboots to do after using the middle mouse button? |
| 16:03.20 | Kalroth | dont you have a new card to buy after SC2 burned the old one |
| 16:03.27 | Fisker | it didn't |
| 16:03.33 | Fisker | that's what's so sweet about it |
| 16:03.34 | Kalroth | http://www.incgamers.com/News/21293/InternedData10 |
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| 16:04.55 | Fisker | old news Kalroth |
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| 16:18.42 | Kraps | so sc2 is cool |
| 16:19.18 | nicoli_s | indeed |
| 16:19.24 | nicoli_s | we are launching a new sc2 website today :) |
| 16:20.20 | Fisker | i disagree nicoli_s |
| 16:20.40 | Kraps | Kalroth: nvidia already has 258.96 for my cards |
| 16:21.14 | Kalroth | Kraps: Sure, but version should those that got their cards burned use?! |
| 16:21.29 | Kraps | ... |
| 16:21.51 | Kraps | nicoli_s: link? |
| 16:22.29 | nicoli_s | kraps:not live yet |
| 16:22.34 | nicoli_s | should be in a few hours though |
| 16:23.50 | Fisker | baw Kalroth |
| 16:24.01 | Fisker | the only thing it did was not increase the fan speed when it was heating up |
| 16:24.11 | Fisker | So not even an issue under normal conditions |
| 16:24.27 | Kalroth | spin it how you want! |
| 16:24.39 | Fisker | you're the one spinning |
| 16:24.48 | Fisker | Come get my GTX285 |
| 16:24.52 | Fisker | It was running that driver |
| 16:24.57 | Kraps | i thought it wasnt spinning... |
| 16:25.00 | Fisker | not dead yet |
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| 16:26.21 | Lunessa | I <3 my GT 240 Nividia card. |
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| 16:31.14 | Lunessa | alestane: Are you following Blood & Oil at Penny Arcade? |
| 16:34.18 | zenzelezz | I always love artillery in RTS games... |
| 16:35.51 | Ackis | where do you go in beta to start the level 81ish grind? |
| 16:35.52 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.59 | Ackis | 80-81 that is |
| 16:36.04 | alestane | Last one yet, Lunessa. |
| 16:36.11 | durcyn | Ackis: hyjal or vashjir, take your pick. |
| 16:36.28 | Ackis | I tried going to hyjal but there was no bridge :( |
| 16:36.32 | Ackis | from winterspring |
| 16:36.36 | durcyn | ...bridge |
| 16:36.50 | Lunessa | alestane: I like how it's all the classic elements condensed down to be told quickly. |
| 16:36.51 | durcyn | there are motherfucking teleport NPCs in stormwind and orgrimmar |
| 16:37.01 | nevcairiel | Ackis: go to moonglade, breadcrumb quest there |
| 16:37.10 | durcyn | also, maybe you haven't heard, but you can kind of FLY IN AZEROTH fyiok |
| 16:37.13 | nevcairiel | it puts you on a dragon and flys you there |
| 16:37.17 | Ackis | nevcairiel: thanks |
| 16:37.21 | Ackis | durcyn: wait what? |
| 16:37.32 | durcyn | wait what do you mean what |
| 16:37.39 | nevcairiel | news flash: flying on the old world! |
| 16:37.44 | Ackis | you can fly in azeroth... lol |
| 16:37.55 | durcyn | stupid canadian |
| 16:38.00 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:38.49 | nevcairiel | i was kinda hoping they limit flying until later |
| 16:38.53 | nevcairiel | but the zones require flying |
| 16:38.55 | nevcairiel | so no chance for that |
| 16:39.07 | Lopeppeppy | Wow... some closed beaches in MA due to great white sharks. How cool and scary! |
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| 16:39.17 | durcyn | i'm sure they'll disable it in cities for RP nonsense again |
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| 16:39.33 | nevcairiel | i like that, otherwise citys are totally deserted |
| 16:40.09 | durcyn | it's stupid, like being able to see some random internet person is going to make anything more social |
| 16:40.16 | nevcairiel | also everyone sitting on the next npc with their big honking flying mount is annoying |
| 16:40.21 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/07/31/funny-pictures-bitterly-disappointed-me/ |
| 16:40.24 | durcyn | shattrath wasn't ever deserted |
| 16:40.31 | nevcairiel | sure it was |
| 16:40.44 | nevcairiel | people just piled up on the banks and arena npcs |
| 16:40.53 | durcyn | yeah, so? |
| 16:40.58 | Lopeppeppy | they do that all the time, very annoying. |
| 16:41.10 | durcyn | like someone's going to hang out by the blacksmithing trainer on their ground mount |
| 16:41.11 | Lunessa | This is why there is no "hub city" in this expansion |
| 16:41.30 | nevcairiel | but flying in ironforge would totally kill the fun |
| 16:41.55 | durcyn | i quite like being able to at the moment |
| 16:41.58 | Lunessa | It'll make city PVP less about choke points and more about rapid response. |
| 16:42.04 | durcyn | 100% movement speed is a waste of time. |
| 16:42.50 | nevcairiel | the city wasnt designed with flying in mind, it loses all its charm when you can just fly through the big open space instead of walking the carefully designed path =/ |
| 16:43.45 | durcyn | ...charm. |
| 16:43.57 | nevcairiel | fly in open citys for all i care, but ironforge and undercity should stay grounded |
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| 16:44.28 | durcyn | it's a cave where i go to throw crap in my bank, it has all the ambience of a large hole in the ground |
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| 16:44.53 | Lunessa | Dinnaw let th' Dwarves hear yae say tha' laddie. |
| 16:45.15 | Ackis | are all my mounts 310% now? |
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| 16:45.54 | Lunessa | I think only of you have a 310% mount. |
| 16:46.17 | Ackis | I do |
| 16:46.45 | durcyn | i thought that was only done for swift flight form |
| 16:46.56 | nevcairiel | 310% is a new rank |
| 16:47.03 | nevcairiel | you get the rank for free when you own a 310% now |
| 16:47.19 | nevcairiel | and once you have it, all your 280 are 310 |
| 16:47.23 | nevcairiel | but no idea if its in yet |
| 16:47.37 | durcyn | nice of them to finally share that with non-druids |
| 16:47.41 | nevcairiel | flight form has been doing it since ... 3.1? |
| 16:48.00 | nevcairiel | quite a while, anyway |
| 16:48.17 | Ackis | anyone alliance pvp on the beta server? |
| 16:48.52 | Ackis | nevcairiel: where do you see this rank/skill listed? |
| 16:49.04 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 16:49.09 | nevcairiel | i only know of it from blue posts |
| 16:49.16 | nevcairiel | visit a flying trainer =p |
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| 16:49.57 | nevcairiel | i use my fly form anyway, instant cast is awesome when some pocket of no-flying dismounts you somewhere |
| 16:50.38 | nevcairiel | i dunno how often i would've died in that damn ancient sea creature in vashj'ir otherwise |
| 16:50.47 | haste | flying mount under water > flying form! |
| 16:50.59 | nevcairiel | real under water mount > your thing |
| 16:51.11 | haste | flying mount barely moves :( |
| 16:51.24 | nevcairiel | yeah its the same speed as swimming |
| 16:51.51 | durcyn | ancient sea creature my ass, you mean 'in that damn sub zone entirely ripped off from doctor who" |
| 16:52.02 | nevcairiel | dunno, havent seen dr who |
| 16:52.22 | nevcairiel | although i was always meaning to |
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| 16:53.23 | durcyn | there was an episode from this last season where the entire british civilization is living in space on the back of a giant enslaved space turtle. |
| 16:53.25 | nevcairiel | but the fact remains that it had alot clipping errors |
| 16:54.01 | durcyn | quite a few |
| 16:54.11 | durcyn | did you find the hole in the floor at the end of the quest line upstairs? |
| 16:54.20 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 16:54.30 | nevcairiel | in the first or the second? |
| 16:54.36 | durcyn | first |
| 16:54.53 | durcyn | there's a big circle around the middle up in the top, i was able to fall through it on my gnome |
| 16:54.57 | nevcairiel | second couldnt even fly at all, although the quests would've been a bit on the easy side if you could |
| 16:55.01 | durcyn | yea, yeah, i know. |
| 16:55.28 | Kraps | can someone link their sc2 profile a sec? |
| 16:56.03 | nevcairiel | playing that ascended thing in the second was kinda neat though |
| 16:56.08 | nevcairiel | or was that the first? |
| 16:56.11 | nevcairiel | i dont remember |
| 16:56.32 | durcyn | hmm second |
| 16:56.42 | nevcairiel | although the boss you had to kill clipped into a wall and i had to shoot at the wall to kill him eventually |
| 16:56.43 | durcyn | first one had the enslaved miners, second was the cultists |
| 16:56.56 | durcyn | yeah, had that problem too, knockbacks are bad. |
| 16:58.16 | nevcairiel | wonder if i should level again, maybe with my warrior |
| 16:58.20 | nevcairiel | maybe in 2-3 patches |
| 16:58.25 | nevcairiel | just to see improvements |
| 16:59.00 | Lunessa | durcyn: Enslaved space whale |
| 16:59.26 | durcyn | Lunessa: whale, turtle, whatever! it felt like a Pratchett tribute itself, come to think of it |
| 16:59.43 | Lunessa | It might have been. |
| 16:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | Whale shark! |
| 17:08.44 | Adys | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/08/02/1446211/Radioactive-Boar-On-the-Rise-In-Germany |
| 17:08.46 | Adys | headline++ |
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| 17:20.31 | airtonix | am i the only one that hates visualbasic ? |
| 17:20.49 | Lopeppeppy | I'll hate it with you, I'm pretty agnostic. |
| 17:21.02 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn, Lunessa: it wasn't precisely /enslaved/ |
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| 17:21.22 | airtonix | hates visualbasic |
| 17:21.44 | zenzelezz | redundant statement is redundant |
| 17:21.56 | airtonix | irony |
| 17:22.00 | airtonix | taste like |
| 17:22.01 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I know. *doesn't give a spoiler* |
| 17:22.29 | airtonix | it was the tall guy |
| 17:23.49 | nevcairiel | you know, that CMS we use at work is being scriped with VB.net |
| 17:23.51 | nevcairiel | its awful |
| 17:23.55 | nevcairiel | but luckily, i dont work with it |
| 17:24.08 | nevcairiel | scripted* |
| 17:24.25 | airtonix | kills nevcairiel |
| 17:24.55 | airtonix | i hate people that choose to create websites with microsoft products or flash |
| 17:25.21 | airtonix | "why is it a good idea to create the intranet with sharepoint" |
| 17:25.30 | airtonix | answer : because its made by microsoft |
| 17:25.33 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.42 | airtonix | i keeellll them |
| 17:25.57 | airtonix | or |
| 17:26.06 | airtonix | answer : because nothing else works with ldap |
| 17:26.13 | airtonix | ._. |
| 17:26.18 | Gintaro | PAM does I think |
| 17:26.18 | airtonix | REALLY ? |
| 17:26.26 | airtonix | i know Gintaro |
| 17:26.30 | airtonix | i KNOW! |
| 17:26.36 | Gintaro | :P |
| 17:26.46 | airtonix | but tell the dumbfuck retards at government "it" divisions |
| 17:27.08 | Lunessa | hates sharepoint |
| 17:27.12 | airtonix | "I saw an advert that says nothing else works with ldap, so it must be true" |
| 17:27.42 | airtonix | these are the whaleSprayBuckets that run australian IT policy in canberra |
| 17:28.13 | airtonix | WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! wheres the start button (runs off screaming) |
| 17:28.28 | airtonix | <your funding has been disconnected> |
| 17:28.53 | sylvanaar | rants in the pants |
| 17:29.06 | airtonix | so for something complety different |
| 17:29.34 | airtonix | how do i run a vb.net method(or whatever) and assign it to a variable ? |
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| 17:34.11 | Xinhuan | so |
| 17:34.15 | Xinhuan | after 9 months of emails |
| 17:34.28 | Xinhuan | Issue #1 of the wow magazine has failed to arrive |
| 17:34.34 | Xinhuan | at my place |
| 17:35.16 | Xinhuan | they have attempted to send me THREE replacement copies of issue #1, none of which have arrived |
| 17:35.25 | Xinhuan | and #2 arrived in damage form |
| 17:35.38 | Xinhuan | and each copy takes 10 weeks to mail across the world |
| 17:35.51 | Xinhuan | what kind of fucked up service is this |
| 17:35.56 | nevcairiel | well don't order something like a magazine cross-continental |
| 17:36.09 | nevcairiel | they are not marked "fragile" :p |
| 17:36.30 | Xinhuan | well you would expect at least something better than a 80% packet loss right? |
| 17:37.11 | nevcairiel | it proably used default mail, no package delivering thing, right? |
| 17:37.44 | Xinhuan | they seem to be using a company that handles delivery across the globe called "bleuchip international" |
| 17:37.54 | Xinhuan | the magazine itself is "cardboard covered" |
| 17:38.00 | Xinhuan | so its not really softcover or hardcover |
| 17:38.05 | Xinhuan | but somewhere in between |
| 17:38.32 | Xinhuan | what annoys more is the generic templated reply about sending replacement copies that never arrive |
| 17:38.58 | nevcairiel | blame the mail service, not whoever sends those things |
| 17:39.13 | Xinhuan | can't do that nev |
| 17:39.34 | nevcairiel | I'm sure they didnt send out a damaged copy to you |
| 17:39.44 | Xinhuan | when i pay the magazine company to deliver a product, there is a contract between that company (futureus) and me, to deliver |
| 17:39.44 | nevcairiel | so it got damaged in transit |
| 17:40.08 | Xinhuan | now when that product fails to arrive, whether and how and why it got lost in transit |
| 17:40.26 | Xinhuan | is not my fault - it is on the onus of the company i paid to make sure it arrives |
| 17:40.37 | nevcairiel | They probably have some thing in their contract that they are not liable for cross-pacific delivery failures :p |
| 17:40.50 | Xinhuan | not that i can see |
| 17:40.58 | Xinhuan | and i ALWAYS read the contracts |
| 17:41.27 | nevcairiel | i dunno, i just would never even try to order something like a magazine from another country, let alone another continent :D |
| 17:41.54 | nevcairiel | I only trust the real shipping companys to handle that properly, and they dont deliver magazines :D |
| 17:42.08 | Xinhuan | https://www.worldofwarcraftthemagazine.com/terms-of-use.php |
| 17:42.40 | Xinhuan | well it wouldn't make sense to ask someone to order on my behalf and have that someone forward me would it |
| 17:42.43 | Xinhuan | double cost |
| 17:43.47 | Xinhuan | also, i suspect someone is probably swiping issue #1 |
| 17:43.56 | Xinhuan | during the delivery, since issue #2 arrived savely? |
| 17:43.59 | Xinhuan | safely* |
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| 17:44.50 | Xinhuan | so anyway, apparently issue #1 is no longer available so they can't send anymore replacement copies |
| 17:45.02 | Xinhuan | and they have kindly extended the subscription by 1 issue |
| 17:45.30 | Lopeppeppy | but if you're a collector, that's not really helping you any |
| 17:45.38 | Xinhuan | exactly |
| 17:45.56 | Xinhuan | in an email 3 months ago, i rejected their 1 copy extension and insisted they send another #1 |
| 17:46.13 | Xinhuan | i don't know if i should bother insisting again |
| 17:46.31 | nevcairiel | if they don't have any left *shrug* |
| 17:46.38 | Xinhuan | another problem was i first paid for the magazine in november last year |
| 17:46.54 | Xinhuan | they claimed in an email the order was processed 17 days after my payment |
| 17:47.18 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03OPcn80Uzs |
| 17:47.36 | Xinhuan | i have also repeatedly asked for explanations, or to escalate the problem to higher management - all ignored |
| 17:49.25 | Xinhuan | any suggestions now? |
| 17:49.34 | NightHawkTheSane | murderous rampage. |
| 17:50.08 | Xinhuan | wouldn't help |
| 17:50.26 | Pneumatus | cancel your sub and request a refund? |
| 17:50.29 | NightHawkTheSane | not really, bu t it'd be fun |
| 17:50.56 | Xinhuan | i wouldn't get back half the price |
| 17:51.14 | Xinhuan | because they do not give refunds for copies they have already sent out |
| 17:51.32 | Pneumatus | chargeback through your bank then, or whatever? |
| 17:51.50 | Xinhuan | not sure if that would work considering payment was over 9 months ago |
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| 17:53.06 | Pneumatus | i don't see why not, you entered a contract which hasn't been fulfilled... sounds like grounds for a chargeback to me |
| 17:53.31 | Xinhuan | no clue how chargeback works |
| 17:54.13 | nevcairiel | just call your credit card company and have them take the money back, although for a transaction in last november it might be a bit late :d |
| 17:54.15 | Xinhuan | and whether it exists for singapore banks |
| 17:54.22 | Xinhuan | its not a credit card, its a debit card |
| 17:54.53 | nevcairiel | well, same deal! |
| 17:55.58 | Pneumatus | chargebacks are generally the 'last resort' option, so knowing you've had communication any time limit would probably start from the last communication between you and the vendor |
| 17:56.48 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 17:57.13 | Xinhuan | last resort would be emailing wow's customer service about futureus's customer service |
| 17:57.21 | Xinhuan | regarding teh magazine |
| 17:57.44 | nevcairiel | You'll just get "you have to deal with them" |
| 17:57.44 | Pneumatus | well, that may also work |
| 17:57.46 | Xinhuan | and it would probably achieve nothing |
| 17:58.01 | nevcairiel | just because they licensed them doesnt mean they support their product |
| 17:58.24 | nevcairiel | anyhow, bbq time |
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| 17:59.51 | Flowy | how is toc number for this patch? |
| 18:00.12 | foxlit | what patch? |
| 18:00.30 | Flowy | actual |
| 18:00.41 | nevcairiel | ~toc |
| 18:00.42 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, toc is The current WoW Interface Number is: 30300 |
| 18:00.44 | cog|work | points at the topic |
| 18:00.53 | Flowy | thanks |
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| 18:14.02 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, Funny Cide is racing this year. Wonder what Serious Cide thinks of this? http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S1677266.shtml?cat=10114 |
| 18:15.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i wish our cide was funny cide. |
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| 18:47.33 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:53.22 | cog|work | ~poke Fisker |
| 18:53.22 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Fisker, pokes Fisker repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 19:01.42 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:02.57 | Fisker | so cog|work |
| 19:03.00 | Fisker | going to blizzcon yet? |
| 19:05.40 | cog|work | yes |
| 19:06.44 | Fisker | sure? |
| 19:07.04 | cog|work | barring unforeseen circumstances |
| 19:07.14 | Fisker | so you already got someone to give you tickets? |
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| 19:07.58 | Fisker | rage |
| 19:08.06 | |Jelly| | oh noes! |
| 19:08.12 | |Jelly| | Fisker is raging again! |
| 19:09.06 | mikma | |jelly|: wanna know a neat way to make him stop? |
| 19:09.18 | |Jelly| | There's a way to make him stop? |
| 19:09.28 | |Jelly| | I thought that's how we all remained sober. :P |
| 19:09.30 | mikma | yeah. actually two: |
| 19:09.38 | mikma | 1) dont feed the troll |
| 19:09.44 | mikma | 2) /ignore fisker all |
| 19:09.59 | |Jelly| | lol, that's somewhat extreme, isn't it? |
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| 19:11.55 | mikma | well, then pick the nr.2, duh! |
| 19:13.27 | cog|work | Fisker: got 1 so far... anyone else: looking for another :> |
| 19:13.44 | |Jelly| | is too broke. :( |
| 19:13.49 | Fisker | When i first met my boyfriend mikma, i fell so much in love that i had to fake a troll, and he still thinks i'm a troll |
| 19:13.59 | Lopeppeppy | Poor Fisker. |
| 19:14.00 | Xinhuan | cogwheel how does ticket re-assignment work? |
| 19:14.01 | Adys | Fisker |
| 19:14.07 | Adys | open regedit |
| 19:14.10 | Adys | now |
| 19:14.11 | cog|work | |Jelly|: i was too broke but then i got retroactive raise to before tickets went on sale >< |
| 19:14.20 | Adys | pick a random key in the left panel |
| 19:14.20 | Fisker | k |
| 19:14.21 | Adys | hit f2 |
| 19:14.25 | Adys | rename it to lowercase |
| 19:14.28 | Fisker | sounds like a good idea |
| 19:14.28 | Adys | screenshot the error message |
| 19:14.31 | Adys | upload the screenshot |
| 19:14.32 | |Jelly| | Well, at least there will be COG pictures again! :P |
| 19:14.33 | Adys | and show me |
| 19:15.04 | |Jelly| | Oh, does Starcraft have some kind of trial or something? I got into the beta like the day before they closed the beta so .. yeah. |
| 19:15.08 | cog|work | Xinhuan: person who buys the ticket gives the badge and goodies to the other person ... it's not like they check the name on the badge against your ID :> |
| 19:15.10 | Fisker | so do you want "lowercase" or the key in lowercase? |
| 19:15.27 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 19:15.27 | cog|work | (when you enter the convention halls, that is) |
| 19:15.40 | Xinhuan | well probably not, considering the crowd |
| 19:15.44 | Fisker | calls Blizzcon security |
| 19:15.54 | Xinhuan | see you there ;p |
| 19:16.00 | cog|work | =) |
| 19:16.46 | Adys | Fisker: the key in lowercase |
| 19:16.56 | Adys | or uppercase whatever |
| 19:17.00 | Adys | just change the casing |
| 19:17.24 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/oeHUe.png |
| 19:17.45 | Adys | cheers |
| 19:18.11 | Fisker | Looking forward to the new MMO cog|work ? |
| 19:19.55 | mikma | fisker: you have a boyfriend called mikma? lol, thats neat, cause, its also my nick |
| 19:20.25 | cog|work | Fisker: possibly... |
| 19:20.51 | Fisker | sweet |
| 19:21.09 | Fisker | Unless they want to show like a huge new thing in D3 |
| 19:21.20 | Lunessa | Xinhuan: Last year I went as Kaelten. |
| 19:21.30 | Xinhuan | sif |
| 19:21.36 | Fisker | calls the timetraveling Blizzcon security |
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| 19:21.57 | Xinhuan | most probably announcement is d3's 5th class |
| 19:22.01 | Xinhuan | probable* |
| 19:22.04 | Lunessa | The name on the badge is who has to pick them up. After that, they don't give a shit. |
| 19:22.30 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ya7ZeS0uQ |
| 19:23.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: i've yet to see ANY con give a shit about who's wearing what badge. |
| 19:23.54 | Xinhuan | oh i'm not that concerned |
| 19:24.05 | Xinhuan | i'm just wondering |
| 19:24.21 | NightHawkTheSane | some cons don't even print personalized badges *shrug* |
| 19:24.23 | haste | mikma: it's very... standard dnb so far |
| 19:24.32 | Xinhuan | what if the person buying the tickets isn't going to blizzcon lol |
| 19:24.46 | Fisker | You'll be standing outside in the cold brrrrrrrrr'ing |
| 19:25.01 | Xinhuan | as is my case |
| 19:25.14 | mikma | haste: it should be, cause, it is... |
| 19:25.22 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1317779/1/Kraps/ |
| 19:25.27 | mikma | haste: thats not the point so far |
| 19:25.37 | haste | standard dnb is boring :P |
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| 19:25.53 | haste | it's zombie music! as he says >:3 |
| 19:26.03 | Lunessa | Xinhuan: tickets are picked up with photo id and a bar coded e-mail. |
| 19:26.07 | mikma | eats your brain for sure |
| 19:26.55 | Xinhuan | ah right |
| 19:27.09 | mikma | haste: ..!., (O_o) ,.!.. |
| 19:27.36 | mikma | except thumbs are at the wrong side! zombiehands |
| 19:30.27 | Fisker | you're pretty awesome Kraps |
| 19:30.40 | Kraps | INORITE |
| 19:32.00 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:34.06 | Shirik | is awesome too |
| 19:36.09 | Fisker | yes Shirik |
| 19:37.09 | Fisker | 8i8eww |
| 19:37.57 | Shirik | so I bought a 5 lb bag of M&Msw |
| 19:38.14 | nicoli_s | mmmm |
| 19:38.19 | Shirik | it says "M&Ms Chocolate candies are made of the finest ingredients. This product should reach you in excellent condition. Satisfaction guaranteed or we will replace it." |
| 19:38.22 | Shirik | I should complain |
| 19:38.27 | Shirik | get another bag |
| 19:38.37 | nicoli_s | yeah, give them my address |
| 19:40.54 | Lunessa | Shirik: Eat 3 of those. You need some meat on your bones. |
| 19:41.24 | Shirik | um |
| 19:41.37 | Shirik | google translate just broke something more than I ever expected |
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| 19:41.51 | Shirik | "A rondo and a canoe consist of the same ingredients as a full cake" |
| 19:42.18 | Shirik | I don't think a canoe made out of cake would work well |
| 19:43.35 | nicoli_s | it would be delicious |
| 19:43.38 | zenzelezz | then you've used the wrong cake |
| 19:43.42 | Lunessa | Shirik: but it would however, be delicious. |
| 19:43.46 | nicoli_s | isnt that enough to keep you from drowning? |
| 19:44.19 | Fisker | What about some ballet bingo Shirik ? |
| 19:45.01 | Shirik | I prefer riverdance bingo |
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| 19:48.24 | Adys | http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/product-quadro-5000m-uk.html |
| 19:48.40 | Adys | A friend of mine won this... at an ati presentation |
| 19:49.02 | zenzelezz | "he between-mission scenes onboard Jim Raynor's ship aren't framerate capped. [...] Because of this, the card renders the scene as quickly as possible, which then taxes your graphics card as it works to its full potential." |
| 19:49.16 | zenzelezz | this is brand new technology! Surely everyone before SC2 has always been capping framerates |
| 19:49.45 | haste | glares at the WoW login screen. |
| 19:50.34 | Adys | the wow login screen cost me 15 euros |
| 19:50.41 | Adys | it broke my cpu fan |
| 19:51.03 | Niv | I used to blank mine out |
| 19:51.05 | Niv | but they finally broke it |
| 19:51.43 | nevcairiel | just play with vsync |
| 19:51.50 | nevcairiel | gfx driver controlled fps cap |
| 19:53.01 | zenzelezz | I find I'm using the nVidia control panel to turn on vsync in half of all the games I play, since apparently having a vsync option in a game is too hard for many developers |
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| 19:53.32 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 19:53.37 | zenzelezz | ohai |
| 19:53.44 | nevcairiel | aloha josh |
| 19:54.13 | JoshBorke | anyone want to pick up a couple of my mods? |
| 19:55.10 | zenzelezz | did you drop them? |
| 19:55.27 | Shirik | weak Adys |
| 19:55.28 | Adys | Even so, I'm not picking them up for you |
| 19:55.32 | Adys | pick them up yourself |
| 19:55.44 | Adys | Shirik |
| 19:55.46 | Adys | stop being -o |
| 19:56.13 | Adys | Cairenn: gimme +o so i can give Shirik his +o: |
| 19:56.15 | JoshBorke | two of my mods have had comments on them within the past 6 months (ish) |
| 19:56.23 | Lunessa | JoshBorke: Which addons are we talking about here? |
| 19:56.27 | Cairenn | naw |
| 19:56.39 | JoshBorke | Lunessa: LootTracker (probably a pain to update) and DelayTip (much smaller) |
| 19:57.04 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4671-LootTracker.html and http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7082-DelayTip.html |
| 19:57.13 | nicoli_s | no +o for adys without +o for me |
| 19:57.17 | Shirik | I'm gonna get one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133253&cm_re=quadro_fx-_-14-133-253-_-Product |
| 19:57.24 | JoshBorke | i'll even orphan BindingsReminder for anyone |
| 19:57.52 | Lunessa | Getting out of the AddOn biz? |
| 19:58.01 | JoshBorke | Lunessa: i've been out of the addon biz for 2 years :) |
| 19:58.13 | JoshBorke | 18 months if you count me updating the toc of an addon |
| 19:58.13 | Cairenn | and we miss you :( |
| 19:58.31 | Lunessa | Sure, Josh, I'll pick them up. |
| 19:58.31 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: i got married and free time went less than 0 |
| 19:58.39 | Cairenn | I know |
| 19:58.42 | Cairenn | but still miss you :p |
| 19:59.17 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: you're missed too :) |
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| 19:59.47 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:00.37 | zenzelezz | he got married and went from JoshBorke to JoshBroke |
| 20:01.23 | JoshBorke | Lunessa: someone else is willing to pick up DelayTip, do you want me to pass ownership over to that person for DelayTip and you pick up LootTracker? |
| 20:01.53 | Lunessa | Sure, I'll even pick up BindingsReminder too. |
| 20:02.10 | zenzelezz | someone's in a generous mood |
| 20:02.19 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: it also warms my heart to be remembered ;-) |
| 20:02.22 | Niv | padding download count clearl |
| 20:02.22 | Niv | y |
| 20:02.22 | airtonix | did i mention how much i hate visualbasic ? |
| 20:02.32 | Cairenn | huggles JoshBorke |
| 20:02.38 | JoshBorke | huggles cairr |
| 20:02.43 | JoshBorke | fails |
| 20:02.50 | airtonix | lols |
| 20:02.59 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: He did the grunt work, I can pick them up easily enough, and they're worth doing. |
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| 20:03.11 | cog|work | ~hug JoshBorke |
| 20:03.12 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs JoshBorke |
| 20:03.12 | nicoli_s | airtonix:.net or regular? |
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| 20:03.14 | JoshBorke | Lunessa: thanks for that :) |
| 20:03.16 | airtonix | both |
| 20:03.29 | Lunessa | JoshBorke: I'm "Lothay" on WoWI. |
| 20:03.31 | batrick | oi Shirik |
| 20:03.34 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: PM me the three (or more?) that Lunessa is taking over, please |
| 20:03.45 | nicoli_s | airtonix:what is making you hate it? |
| 20:03.53 | Cairenn | I'll transfer ownership |
| 20:03.58 | nicoli_s | and if its the syntax, why not just use c#.net? |
| 20:03.59 | airtonix | nicoli_s, that it is so verbose and overly complicated |
| 20:04.02 | nevcairiel | how can you not hate VB? |
| 20:04.12 | airtonix | nicoli_s, because i'm forced to for school |
| 20:04.17 | nicoli_s | meh, vb.net isnt that terrible imho |
| 20:04.22 | nicoli_s | though i did hate it at first too |
| 20:04.23 | airtonix | IT IS! |
| 20:04.26 | nevcairiel | VB is terrible |
| 20:04.30 | nevcairiel | if you want .net, use c# |
| 20:04.36 | airtonix | wish i could |
| 20:04.44 | nicoli_s | well vb.net has some things that c# didnt have for a while |
| 20:04.48 | airtonix | man if i could choose i wouldn't be using .net at all |
| 20:04.55 | nicoli_s | like optional parameters and implicit conversion |
| 20:05.05 | nevcairiel | optional parameters are overrated |
| 20:05.09 | nevcairiel | just overload the function |
| 20:05.14 | foxlit | boo. |
| 20:05.18 | nicoli_s | nevcairiel:what if yer function has 12 arguments? |
| 20:05.24 | foxlit | optional parameters > overloading |
| 20:05.29 | nevcairiel | so overload it 12 times |
| 20:05.32 | foxlit | In the specific case where you really have those defaults. |
| 20:05.33 | nevcairiel | shrug |
| 20:05.40 | JoshBorke | ooo, loottracker and bindingsreminder both have svn on wowi |
| 20:05.46 | nevcairiel | or just pass null for all paramters and apply defaults then! |
| 20:05.58 | airtonix | python has optional params |
| 20:06.10 | airtonix | i dont know what implicit conversion is |
| 20:06.21 | airtonix | but i know i still hate vb |
| 20:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ... are we seriously comparing vb and c# on the basis of optional params? :P |
| 20:06.31 | airtonix | lol |
| 20:06.34 | nevcairiel | apparently so |
| 20:06.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, yeah, it sucks that c# didn't have them for a while, but it doesn't miraculously make vb better :P |
| 20:07.08 | nevcairiel | does VB even have OO these days? |
| 20:07.20 | batrick | does VB even have users these days? |
| 20:07.30 | nevcairiel | apparently some |
| 20:07.36 | batrick | oh ya? |
| 20:07.54 | nevcairiel | the silly CMS we use at work is using vb.net for its things |
| 20:08.00 | nevcairiel | but luckily i dont work with it |
| 20:08.06 | airtonix | why would anyone use vb.net for web stuff |
| 20:08.08 | airtonix | SERIOUSLY! |
| 20:08.10 | airtonix | FUUUU |
| 20:08.19 | airtonix | <me keels them all> |
| 20:08.20 | foxlit | Have you used vb.net for web stuff? :) |
| 20:08.25 | airtonix | yes |
| 20:08.34 | foxlit | Why? |
| 20:08.39 | nevcairiel | asp.net works with all .net languages, just use c# =P |
| 20:08.45 | airtonix | to prove to myself that it was a bad idea |
| 20:08.55 | foxlit | That seems biased :) |
| 20:08.56 | nevcairiel | could even use c++! |
| 20:09.02 | airtonix | :) |
| 20:09.31 | cog|work | VB.net is essentially C# with a different skin |
| 20:09.38 | nevcairiel | an ugly skin |
| 20:09.39 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yes, vb has OO. |
| 20:09.39 | airtonix | i think the thing that convinced me the most is that using any ms language means im stuck using ms server software |
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| 20:10.33 | nevcairiel | C# in asp.net isnt too bad, all things considered, but i would still prefer alot other concepts |
| 20:11.23 | Fisker | i farted nevcairiel |
| 20:11.51 | zenzelezz | real pros use lolcat.NET |
| 20:12.07 | airtonix | fisker.net |
| 20:12.12 | zenzelezz | im in ur interface exchaning datas |
| 20:12.15 | cog|work | f# imo |
| 20:12.21 | Dashkal | If it isn't in brainfuck, it isn't a real program. |
| 20:12.56 | nevcairiel | I wish i had time to learn F#, seems like an interesting language |
| 20:13.26 | JoshBorke | i'll F# you! |
| 20:13.41 | Fisker | I'll F# you in the C# |
| 20:14.52 | airtonix | A# |
| 20:15.08 | airtonix | can you use ruby in .net ? |
| 20:15.35 | JoshBorke | Lunessa: thanks for taking over 2 of my mods, on behalf of my users, I appreciate it |
| 20:15.58 | Lunessa | Glad to help. 'sides, I really should do more code, less bitching around here. :) |
| 20:16.13 | NightHawkTheSane | you can code AND bitch, you know |
| 20:16.20 | NightHawkTheSane | thats what most of us do. |
| 20:16.22 | airtonix | NO |
| 20:16.38 | airtonix | real coders drink vodka |
| 20:17.02 | nevcairiel | you can drink, code and bitch |
| 20:17.05 | NightHawkTheSane | airtonix: http://code.google.com/p/rubydotnetcompiler/ ? |
| 20:17.10 | airtonix | back when i was kid i was forced to vodka drink code stuff |
| 20:17.26 | nevcairiel | you know, the balmer peak can be reached with vodka as well |
| 20:17.32 | JoshBorke | Lunessa: btw, if you need any help with it, i'm happy to help, i just don't have the same amount of time available as before |
| 20:18.06 | Lunessa | *nod* No worries. Ain't my first rodeo. But I'll shoot you a message if I crack open your code and go "WTF?" . :) |
| 20:18.19 | nicoli_s | i always love starting these .net arguements |
| 20:18.35 | airtonix | whale sprays nicoli_s |
| 20:18.44 | Lunessa | I don't drink vodka so much as use it as an essential component to my physical and mental well-being |
| 20:18.47 | airtonix | ohh yeahhhhh |
| 20:19.46 | |Jelly| | anyone on beta alliance have bags? that'd be awesome <3 |
| 20:20.09 | nicoli_s | werent you the one saying you wondered why we thought you were a drunk lunessa? |
| 20:20.20 | Cairenn | that's a rather personal question, don't you think |Jelly|? |
| 20:20.23 | Lunessa | Well, ... OWNT |
| 20:20.34 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: just one, but you can't have her. |
| 20:20.50 | |Jelly| | Cairenn: Well, I like to get pretty personal ... when beta is involved. ;) |
| 20:20.58 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:21.14 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COGiU8ZzUtE |
| 20:21.35 | cog|work | lol that pinged me |
| 20:21.43 | Lunessa | lulz |
| 20:21.45 | |Jelly| | lawlcog |
| 20:22.13 | NightHawkTheSane | this is kinda neat http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/02/china-to-build-ginormous-buses-that-cars-can-drive-under-video/ |
| 20:22.18 | Fisker | tackles the bag |
| 20:22.21 | Fisker | old NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:22.33 | Fisker | i got a better idea though |
| 20:22.36 | Fisker | outlaw cars |
| 20:22.40 | Fisker | problem solved |
| 20:22.57 | Fisker | also how do they make turns NightHawkTheSane ? |
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| 20:23.12 | NightHawkTheSane | how does anything on rails make turns. |
| 20:23.38 | Fisker | indeed |
| 20:23.42 | Fisker | is not possible |
| 20:23.47 | JoshBorke | Lunessa: pm JoshBorke on wowi if you need any help my idiotic code (of which I'm sure there's ton) |
| 20:23.56 | JoshBorke | ~hug Cairenn |
| 20:23.57 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 20:24.02 | JoshBorke | ciao! |
| 20:24.05 | Lunessa | JoshBorke: Will do. |
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| 20:24.05 | Cairenn | hugs JoshBorke |
| 20:24.46 | Kraps | beat a 1v1 practice league game |
| 20:24.54 | malreth | ITS SUNTORY TIME OK |
| 20:25.23 | Fisker | kicks malreth |
| 20:25.38 | malreth | licks Fisker |
| 20:25.55 | malreth | contracts syphilis |
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| 20:27.36 | Kraps | only played one because i lost a campaign mission |
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| 20:31.10 | Lunessa | malreth: Dude, how many times do I have to tell you? Don't put it in your mouth, you don't know where it's been! |
| 20:31.38 | malreth | guzzles SUNTORY WHISKEY to kill the syphilis |
| 20:31.47 | Fisker | your mom is a great place to start Lunessa |
| 20:31.58 | malreth | YOU CANT KILL SYPHILIS WITH ANY QUANTITY OF WHISKEY |
| 20:32.29 | Lunessa | malreth: I have a feeling your reference is being /Lost in Translation/. |
| 20:32.48 | malreth | love Lunessa long time |
| 20:34.00 | Lunessa | gives malreth more ... intensity. |
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| 20:34.51 | malreth | Lunessa: http://www.weareawake.org/suntorydirector.htm |
| 20:36.03 | Lunessa | malreth: awesome |
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| 20:36.54 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: epic. i approve. |
| 20:37.38 | nicoli_s | i need to see lost in translation, i normally like bill murray |
| 20:37.55 | malreth | i loved him in Zombieland |
| 20:38.13 | Lunessa | The movie is one of the most poignant films about transition I have ever seen. |
| 20:39.01 | NightHawkTheSane | its a pretty brilliant film in general, i think. |
| 20:39.19 | Lunessa | Zombieland - The most important rule, "The Double-Tap" |
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| 20:59.17 | malreth | http://twitter.com/fizzboy/status/20167080014 |
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| 21:01.35 | Fisker | As a matter of fact it does say troll on my uniform Maldivia |
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| 21:13.26 | Kraps | Lunessa: i has an sc2 trial |
| 21:13.45 | Lunessa | Kraps: Rock out with your Thor out? |
| 21:13.56 | Kraps | no :/ |
| 21:14.54 | Kraps | do you have the game? |
| 21:18.10 | Kraps | why do protoss have 2 rows of hitpoints? thats just hax |
| 21:19.11 | Torhal | Shields, yo! |
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| 21:21.46 | foxlit | The Brutal difficulty level is evil. |
| 21:21.59 | foxlit | The AI suddenly becomes mildly competent. |
| 21:22.22 | Kraps | it is, shall we say... brutal? |
| 21:22.32 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/08/500x_koreanair.jpg |
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| 21:24.06 | Cairenn | hi Asheru |
| 21:24.14 | Asheru | Hey all |
| 21:27.40 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5601997/game-cafe-robbed-gamers-fight-back-lots-of-punches-to-the-head |
| 21:28.49 | Asheru | Alot here but not much talking. :D |
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| 21:30.45 | Asheru | Hey guys. |
| 21:31.46 | Asheru | if ( HasNewMail() and InboxChanged == 0 ) then Im getting told that my mail warning addon plays 2 sounds if you get fresh mail from the AH. Is it because I have both the checks in that line? |
| 21:32.04 | Asheru | <--- Still new to .lua |
| 21:32.24 | malreth | that's not how boolean evaluations work |
| 21:33.17 | malreth | what you're thinking in your head: "ring a bell if this thing is true and ring a bell if that thing is true" is actually an OR |
| 21:34.03 | malreth | it's a funny languagism thing |
| 21:34.13 | malreth | i just made up an -ism |
| 21:34.16 | malreth | anyway |
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| 21:35.00 | malreth | if FOO and BAR then ring bell will only ring the bell in the circumstance that both FOO and BAR are true at the same time |
| 21:36.04 | malreth | so, back to your original question: if your mail warning addon plays 2 sounds when you get mail from the AH, then something is triggering your ring bell code to run twice |
| 21:37.05 | Asheru | Ya its only when you fresh buy something from the AH every thing else works as intended. |
| 21:37.21 | malreth | maybe you're getting two separate events... maybe your code plays the sound twice for some reason because it's gone all spaghetti shaped |
| 21:38.14 | malreth | but you can feel confident that it's probably not because of that one line you posted above |
| 21:38.30 | Asheru | Ok |
| 21:38.43 | malreth | but we'd have to see more of the code to know for certain |
| 21:39.15 | malreth | anyways, learning boolean logic is a good thing to work on for all fields of programming |
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| 21:41.05 | malreth | i would help you more but i must play more Gaia Online |
| 21:41.34 | malreth | i'm saving up gold for the CUTEST black fluffy dress ever |
| 21:41.54 | Asheru | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/139186 |
| 21:42.56 | alestane | I'm afraid to ask, malreth. |
| 21:43.28 | airtonix | <o> |
| 21:43.48 | NightHawkTheSane | all i know is that i shouldn't have googled it |
| 21:43.58 | Zhinjio | so what are y'all liking for showing buffs/debuffs these days? I want to try something that I haven't already (i've used elkbuffbars, satrina's, and just standard pitbull ones) |
| 21:44.07 | malreth | !api UPDATE_PENDING_MAIL |
| 21:44.07 | lua_bot | UPDATE_PENDING_MAIL: Fires when information about newly received mail messages (not yet seen at a mailbox) becomes available (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UPDATE_PENDING_MAIL) |
| 21:46.23 | foxlit | buff consolidation in the default ui <3 |
| 21:46.35 | alestane | Today's webcomic samples brought to you by the scary face commission: http://www.eeriecuties.com/d/20100802.html |
| 21:46.50 | alestane | Love the evil look in the lower left paenl. |
| 21:46.55 | alestane | panel* |
| 21:47.02 | alestane | http://www.threepanelsoul.com/view.php?date=2010-08-02 |
| 21:47.30 | Asheru | Honestly I do like the buff consolidation on the default UI. Makes thing so much easyer. |
| 21:47.39 | malreth | Asheru: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/139188 |
| 21:48.15 | malreth | that'll help you debug your event handler |
| 21:48.19 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:48.30 | Asheru | Ok |
| 21:49.44 | alestane | I ought to find a way to make my client suppress any chats with certain words in them...like highlight words, but in reverse. |
| 21:50.05 | Fisker | does it involve a trout? |
| 21:50.48 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: what client? |
| 21:50.55 | alestane | LimeChat. |
| 21:51.21 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. dont know what kind of plugin/scripting support that has. |
| 21:51.54 | NightHawkTheSane | was going to say, in something like colloquy, x-chat, or irssi i know that'd be easy |
| 21:52.02 | Fisker | why so mean alestane? :( |
| 21:52.32 | alestane | I gave up on Colloquy because it lags too much on response. |
| 21:52.54 | airtonix | i gave up on fisker because he doesn't bounce back |
| 21:53.07 | Fisker | i don't bounce? |
| 21:53.27 | alestane | Either you consider trout-slapping a form of affection, Fisker, or you want to make everyone else as angry as you are. Either way, it's not something I feel the need to deal with. |
| 21:53.31 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm not a particular fan of it either. Although their iphone client is reasonably nice. |
| 21:53.41 | alestane | It's good so far for the iPhone. |
| 21:53.50 | airtonix | lol |
| 21:53.52 | NightHawkTheSane | I like the fact that it can use a bouncer. |
| 21:54.01 | Zhinjio | I vaguely recall trying out a buff thing once that had a single bar with icons on it that would move from right to left as they were nearing expiration. They scale on the bar was logarithmic, so it could easily display longer buffs as well |
| 21:54.06 | Zhinjio | anyone know that one? |
| 21:54.07 | Fisker | any client can do that NightHawkTheSane ;3 |
| 21:54.18 | airtonix | Fisker, no i think you miss the point |
| 21:54.28 | alestane | I have to wonder what the story is behind this one: http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19251.html |
| 21:54.30 | airtonix | They are just happy that the piece of shit thing can eve n manage it |
| 21:54.41 | airtonix | because you know |
| 21:54.43 | Fisker | O_o? |
| 21:54.47 | airtonix | the iphone sucks |
| 21:54.51 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 21:54.52 | NightHawkTheSane | er, my bad, didn't complete the thought, it can use a bouncer to provide push notifications |
| 21:55.08 | Fisker | aw |
| 21:55.18 | airtonix | back-pedal, back-pedal, back-pedal |
| 21:55.25 | Lunessa | Zhinjio: You can make that happen with SexyCooldown |
| 21:55.34 | alestane | http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19248.html , Lunessa. |
| 21:55.34 | Zhinjio | yeah, I think thats the one. |
| 21:55.35 | Zhinjio | thanks |
| 21:55.38 | Fisker | I would've thought it would have to be something the server did |
| 21:55.40 | Fisker | not the client :o |
| 21:55.57 | Fisker | well i guess it's both |
| 21:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | you need support on both sides to do that, yes. |
| 21:56.14 | Lunessa | alestane: It wasn't me! |
| 21:56.32 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a colloquy plugin for znc, and the desktop version of colloquy has the capability as well. |
| 21:57.07 | airtonix | I would only would buy an iphone if i wanted to put it in a block of epoxy resin to prove how much money i have to waste |
| 21:57.35 | Lunessa | I'm glad you feel that strongly about it. |
| 21:57.42 | NightHawkTheSane | so don't buy one, but jesus you sound like Fisker ranting about it. |
| 21:58.23 | alestane | And "you sound like Fisker" should be a warning sign right there. |
| 21:58.34 | alestane | There is also http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19191.html , Lunessa. |
| 21:58.55 | Fisker | I didn't know disliking something was "sounding like me" |
| 21:58.56 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: hah, i approve of that one :) |
| 21:59.03 | Fisker | Must be a lot of fiskers out there |
| 21:59.28 | alestane | And I find this rather amusing: http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19184.html |
| 21:59.42 | alestane | Way too many, Fisker. |
| 22:00.02 | alestane | Cairenn: ^^ |
| 22:00.21 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:00.52 | Lunessa | alestane: There is never a problem with an open bar - from the consumer point of view. |
| 22:01.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: so the lesson is always be a consumer? :p |
| 22:02.10 | Fisker | airtonix lets buy an iphone 4 just so we can launch it on a rocket |
| 22:02.21 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Of other people's freely offered liquor? You bet your bippy. |
| 22:02.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i can get behind that. |
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| 22:03.34 | Lunessa | I used to have a rule "Never turn down a free drink" until my family got me /falling down drunk/ once. Now... I say "Turn down a free drink when you've had too many already, or if you don't truct the source." |
| 22:03.53 | airtonix | Fisker, no i buy apple products to make others around me feel inferior |
| 22:04.13 | airtonix | Fisker, and that can only be done i can shove said products in their face |
| 22:04.15 | alestane | I did burn a book once, Fisker, out of contempt... but only because someone left it lying in the hallway. Spending money on the things you want to destroy seems sort of silly. |
| 22:04.16 | Lunessa | buys Apple products 'cause they're good products. |
| 22:04.39 | airtonix | you keep telling yourself that |
| 22:04.40 | Niv | I smashed my iphone 4 friday |
| 22:04.46 | Niv | that was a $217 drop =/ |
| 22:05.02 | Niv | and all I did was miss slipping it into my pocket |
| 22:05.07 | Niv | shattered the entire front screen |
| 22:05.16 | NightHawkTheSane | I buy products that do what I want them to do in the way that I want them to do them, regardless of who makes them. End of Story. |
| 22:05.20 | alestane | Could have done that just as easily with an Evo, though. |
| 22:05.31 | Lunessa | I'm happy with my iPhone, and my iMac is a stable, solidly performing computer. Why should I not like the product then? |
| 22:05.36 | Niv | I've chucked my 3G and 3GS down the street a number of times |
| 22:05.37 | airtonix | i'll tell you one thing though. before those sillohetted ipod avderts of people listening to music came around, no one i ever saw wore their headphones out like it was a fashion statement |
| 22:05.39 | Niv | and just come away with scratches |
| 22:06.01 | alestane | That's Russian Phone Roulette, though. |
| 22:06.09 | Niv | well |
| 22:06.13 | Niv | the reason the iphone shattered |
| 22:06.17 | Niv | is the glass is raised on the edges |
| 22:06.31 | Niv | it's really obvious after it happened |
| 22:06.45 | Niv | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs263.snc4/39480_1546771269774_1249800462_31535949_3920543_n.jpg |
| 22:06.49 | Niv | =( |
| 22:06.56 | |Jelly| | sad day |
| 22:07.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, i've had one or to situations that made me rethink my "never turn down free alcohol" policy. |
| 22:07.21 | Cide- | so buy a new phone that isn't an iphone |
| 22:07.23 | airtonix | anyone that tells themself they didn't buy an apple product as a fashion statement is lying to themselves |
| 22:07.24 | alestane | Another reason to be happy about my bumpers. |
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| 22:08.01 | Lunessa | airtonix: I didn't buy the iPhone as a fashion statement. |
| 22:08.08 | Niv | I'm not sure it's a "fashion statement" but certainly part of the equasion is that it's a slick looking phone |
| 22:08.15 | NightHawkTheSane | It really boggles my mind the way you get so riled up over what other people do with their money. |
| 22:08.22 | Niv | it's more about function than form for me, but both mattered |
| 22:08.22 | airtonix | why should you care ? |
| 22:08.38 | NightHawkTheSane | You don't like the phone, great, no one's bending your wrist to make you buy one. But why the fuck do you give a shit what anyone else does? |
| 22:08.41 | Niv | I bought a razr when they first came out too :P |
| 22:09.19 | Lunessa | NHTS: Yeah, back when I was a DJ, I had a problem with a bartender at work. He dosed a drink with mouthwash in enough quantity to make me ill for 4 days and require a stomach pump. So.. yeah. |
| 22:09.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh.. |
| 22:09.35 | flexd | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetMerchantNumItems <- why is that returning nil? |
| 22:09.40 | flexd | I'm at a merchant, it sells stuff |
| 22:09.52 | Cide- | because you did something wrong |
| 22:10.08 | flexd | Oh, you mean like calling GetMerchantNumitems() ? |
| 22:10.14 | flexd | I can see where that might go wrong. |
| 22:10.26 | flexd | Actually i can't. |
| 22:10.38 | alestane | Because you spend potentially valuables lines of your scrollback on your Apple hate, airtonix, and you're not going to persuade anyone of their unconditional suckiness anymore than any of us will convince you that there might be any reason not to hate them. |
| 22:10.41 | flexd | I'm calling it in the MERCHANT_SHOW event |
| 22:10.49 | alestane | your/our |
| 22:10.57 | airtonix | what ? |
| 22:10.57 | Arrowmaster | is that when blizzard uses the function in their own code? |
| 22:11.07 | Cide- | flexd, why don't you try calling it manually instead of in the event |
| 22:11.25 | airtonix | i said what i think about the subject and im not trying to convince anyone... |
| 22:11.55 | Zhinjio | Lunessa: thanks. SexyCooldown was the one I was thinking of |
| 22:11.55 | NightHawkTheSane | airtonix: except what you "think" was little more than bile-filled opinions that serve no purpose other than to insult others. |
| 22:12.05 | alestane | So why, then, do you keep taking up our time and yours with your spew? |
| 22:12.12 | airtonix | relative points of view really |
| 22:12.15 | Legorol | NHTS: it'd be awesome if people followed your advice when I claim my appreciation of XML for WoW UI :*( |
| 22:12.16 | NightHawkTheSane | it wasn't an opinion, it was a direct insult |
| 22:12.23 | airtonix | truth hurts ? |
| 22:12.26 | Lunessa | Zhinjio: You're welcome, and Antiarc's stuff is usually pretty slick. |
| 22:12.27 | flexd | Cide-: it doesn't print |
| 22:12.33 | Zhinjio | Lunessa: agreed |
| 22:12.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: It'd be awesome if people followed that advice, period. |
| 22:12.49 | Legorol | :) |
| 22:12.50 | flexd | doing /dump GetMerchantNumitems() however returns 23. |
| 22:13.27 | Lunessa | XML is not Neutral Evil, it's Lawful Evil. |
| 22:14.23 | Antiarc | If you aren't convinced of that, try writing a parser for it. |
| 22:14.38 | flexd | so GetMerchantNumitems is pretty much always nil when i call it, besides doing /dump on it when not calling from a event :/ |
| 22:14.47 | flexd | I've tried both MERCHANT_UPDATE and MERCHANT_SHOW |
| 22:14.51 | |Jelly| | So ... is there a PvE Horde US guild going? |
| 22:14.53 | alestane | Is there a CSS selector for "tag containing particular chunk of text in some text node."? |
| 22:15.06 | Antiarc | alestane: I don't think you can select on text contents |
| 22:15.08 | airtonix | not in css2 or 1 |
| 22:15.14 | Antiarc | Maybe with an unsupported css3 selector |
| 22:15.20 | Antiarc | But it wouldn't be consistent |
| 22:15.23 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: there is/was, yes. Lewd On Demand, I think? |
| 22:15.31 | Lunessa | Antiarc: It's not evil for the sake of evil. It's evil and adhering to a strictly dogmatic ruleset. :P |
| 22:15.40 | Antiarc | Lunessa: Exactly! |
| 22:15.50 | |Jelly| | Yeah, I saw that on the WoWI post however I've yet to ever see someone online from that guild. |
| 22:15.52 | Asheru | Hey guys anyone know what would be easyer to catch as a trigger. Blizzards mail sends 2 Updates when you get fresh email from the AH so would I be better off useing a delay to keep it from making my event run twice or should I que up events to have it trigger just once? |
| 22:15.55 | Antiarc | XML parsers are evil incarnate. They're the lawyers of the computer world. |
| 22:16.08 | |Jelly| | And I don't want to get locked into a guild and then come to find out that there is one with active people in it. |
| 22:16.22 | airtonix | how do you get locked into a guild |
| 22:16.28 | Antiarc | Asheru: Just set a "lastEventHandledAt" variable on the event and return immediately if it's less than X seconds ago |
| 22:16.33 | airtonix | does the 'leave guild' button disappear ? |
| 22:16.36 | Fisker | i made quite a mess |
| 22:16.42 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: you could always gquit, yeah? :P |
| 22:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | But, I haven't logged on in like a week or so, *shrug* |
| 22:17.13 | Fisker | alestane who said anything about destroying the iphone 4? |
| 22:17.22 | |Jelly| | Did they fix that? I read [albeit over a week ago] that you couldn't leave a guild due to a big. |
| 22:17.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Ah, I don't know about that. |
| 22:17.51 | airtonix | Fisker, shush fisker, disenting voices brand you as a insulter |
| 22:17.51 | Fisker | if the iphone isn't worth the money working, why would i break it? :3 |
| 22:18.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker: airtonix did, at least once. I'm sure it's in the logs. |
| 22:18.23 | Fisker | oh i wasn't aware that i was airtonix |
| 22:18.24 | airtonix | NightHawkTheSane, no im pretty sure i didnt |
| 22:18.28 | |Jelly| | Not that I really care, I suppose. I could turn off gchat and I'm sure they're going to wipe guilds again at some point. |
| 22:18.47 | Fisker | must be those damn evil twins from the beard universe |
| 22:19.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if they do when they finish up the guild ui. |
| 22:20.14 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ7pUroGvFc&feature=player_embedded <-this is fun |
| 22:21.24 | alestane | Seriously, guys, what do you get out of hating on a company all the time? Is there an achievement or something? |
| 22:22.14 | airtonix | when they let me customise their products without paying money ill change my mind |
| 22:22.31 | airtonix | till then |
| 22:22.32 | Arrowmaster | hmmmm |
| 22:22.35 | Arrowmaster | "Xfire was bought by new owners today. Most of the team that has built Xfire over the last six years is leaving. We enjoyed working for you for the last 127 releases and wish we could stay to create the next 127. Good bye, good luck, and game on. --- The Xfire Team" |
| 22:22.39 | Fisker | Seriously, guys, what do you get out of hating a person all the time? Is there an achievement or something? |
| 22:23.06 | Fisker | They sell their company every 127 releases Arrowmaster? |
| 22:23.23 | alestane | Fine. Your mind is established. You are, as everyone else, entitled to your opinion. |
| 22:23.30 | Zhinjio | they could at least wait until they hit a power of 2 |
| 22:23.31 | Arrowmaster | ~Fisker++ |
| 22:23.32 | Zhinjio | sheesh |
| 22:23.32 | NightHawkTheSane | airtonix: i don't even care if you DO hate any company. But that dosen't give you any right to insult other people because they DON'T hate that company. |
| 22:23.42 | airtonix | when did i insult anyone ? |
| 22:23.56 | airtonix | if you were offended by an accurate observation then what does say about you ? |
| 22:24.01 | alestane | I'm not asking you to change your mind, just to not waste everyone else's time repeating your opinion. |
| 22:24.01 | Arrowmaster | seeing an entire development team leave when a project changes owners is never a good sign |
| 22:24.11 | alestane | Who are XFire again? |
| 22:24.32 | Fisker | From the looks of, blast into the past |
| 22:24.32 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 22:24.38 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.41 | NightHawkTheSane | 15:04 < airtonix > Fisker, and that can only be done i can shove said products in their face |
| 22:24.44 | NightHawkTheSane | thats reasonably insulting. |
| 22:24.48 | airtonix | really ? |
| 22:24.50 | Arrowmaster | alestane: the first IM app with a directx overlay allowing it to work from inside games |
| 22:24.52 | airtonix | REALLY ? |
| 22:24.54 | airtonix | lol |
| 22:25.15 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.18 | NightHawkTheSane | also |
| 22:25.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, really. You express nothing but contept for the people, not the company, no the technology, but the people using it. |
| 22:25.39 | NightHawkTheSane | contempt* |
| 22:25.42 | airtonix | ok so by insulting your loved product you take those insults personally ? |
| 22:26.32 | NightHawkTheSane | except you're not just insulting hte product. you're extending that to insult the people who use it. |
| 22:26.33 | Shadowed | sighes |
| 22:26.37 | airtonix | how ? |
| 22:26.43 | Shadowed | Can we go one day without me wanting to smack most of you |
| 22:28.05 | alestane | NHtS, he can sit back and claim that you're only reading things into his comments. You will no more adjust his attitudes than convince Pat Robertson that Jesus does not, fact, love him personally. |
| 22:28.22 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: yeah, I know. |
| 22:28.45 | airtonix | but jesus does love me personally |
| 22:28.51 | NightHawkTheSane | It's just attitudes like that are basically 90% of what's wrong with modern society. |
| 22:28.59 | NightHawkTheSane | We're so intolerant and hate filled. |
| 22:29.07 | Shadowed | Hey, I hate everyone equally |
| 22:29.20 | Shadowed | you take that back |
| 22:29.38 | alestane | And apparently it's pretty much incurable. |
| 22:29.45 | NightHawkTheSane | blargh, and now I have to come up with good interview questions, cause I totally spaced on this interview today. >< |
| 22:30.25 | alestane | The people who are most frequently incorrect or arbitrary in their beliefs are the people most convinced that those beliefs are correct. |
| 22:30.40 | alestane | objectively* correct |
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| 22:32.01 | Xyphoid | i liked asking people to talk about the worst features of the programming language they were interviewing for |
| 22:32.41 | haste | sounds like fun |
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| 22:35.19 | Lunessa | Shadowed: Oooo... I have been wanting to say that all day at work. |
| 22:35.50 | Shadowed | Lunessa, smacking people? |
| 22:35.55 | Lunessa | yeah |
| 22:35.59 | alestane | Say what? "Can we go one day without me wanting to smack most of you" |
| 22:36.04 | Lunessa | All day I have wanted to SMACK someone. |
| 22:36.22 | Lunessa | In fact, most of the someone's I've had to deal with today. |
| 22:36.41 | Lunessa | *faceplam* kill that apostrophe |
| 22:37.15 | cog|work | Officer, I swear to Drunk i'm not god |
| 22:38.09 | Torhal | I'm home, take me drunk? |
| 22:38.22 | Lunessa | cog|work: Thou art God. All that groks is God. |
| 22:38.53 | Lunessa | waits for the reaction... |
| 22:39.25 | alestane | It's been YEARS since I read "Stranger", Lunessa, and I was in high school at the time. I've only read it once. |
| 22:39.47 | Lunessa | alestane: It's worth a re-read. It's an excellent story. |
| 22:40.20 | Xyphoid | it's balanced right on the border of crazy-heinlein |
| 22:41.00 | Xyphoid | but it's not over the edge |
| 22:41.03 | alestane | Before he disappeared into things like "The Lives of Lazarus Long?" |
| 22:42.29 | Lunessa | He wasn't crazy. He had stories that he plotted out and wrote meant for adults. He had another batch he wrote for teens. People seem to think "crazy" was all the adult stuff, and "not crazy" were the teen books. But he wasn't crazy. |
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| 22:43.13 | Lunessa | I just finished "I Will Fear No Evil" for the second time, and it's a clever tale. |
| 22:43.16 | alestane | Not per se. But he pushed several boundaries farther than I think it was useful to push them. |
| 22:43.27 | alestane | I can't find much good to say about "Friday." |
| 22:44.07 | Kraps | so i'm playing as Zerg and 2 things cross my mind: 1. this the most disgusting thing ever, 2. WTF |
| 22:44.09 | Lunessa | Friday had some good bits, but it wasn't my favorite by any stretch. "To Sail Beyond the Sunset" was kind of out there too, but I really like "Number of the Beast" |
| 22:44.19 | alestane | And I found "The Cat who Walks through Walls" more confusing than anything else. |
| 22:44.58 | Xyphoid | Friday was funny if only for setting part of it in NZ |
| 22:45.39 | Lunessa | alestane: I liked that one, but only because I got all the insider references. |
| 22:46.15 | Lunessa | And if you can get a copy, "Grumbles From the Grave" is pretty illuminating. |
| 22:47.20 | alestane | Also, if you haven't read it, I recommend "A Night in the Lonesome October," by Roger Zelazny. |
| 22:47.41 | alestane | That's another one of those "if you can get a copy" books. |
| 22:47.46 | Xyphoid | that's a great book |
| 22:48.20 | Lunessa | alestane: I have. I met Zelazny shortly before that was published and he talked about it. I picked it up when it came out, and he passed away shortly thereafter. |
| 22:48.24 | alestane | Zarg is generally freaky, Kraps. |
| 22:48.28 | alestane | Zerg. |
| 22:48.51 | alestane | It's one of the reasons I'm not convinced they'll make a Starcraft MMO. |
| 22:49.04 | Adys | Shirik |
| 22:49.10 | Adys | tell me something |
| 22:49.15 | Adys | explain me this |
| 22:49.19 | Adys | if this article exists: |
| 22:49.21 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson |
| 22:49.23 | alestane | How could you make one where the Zerg were NOT a playable race, and how could you make them a race that people would actually play? |
| 22:49.25 | Adys | Why doesn't this one? |
| 22:49.28 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_of_Michael_Jackson |
| 22:49.52 | Adys | Or this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conception_of_Michael_Jackson |
| 22:49.53 | alestane | I suspected that wouldn't be news to you, Lunessa. |
| 22:49.57 | Fisker | one was noteworthy, the other wasn't :3 |
| 22:50.00 | Corrodias | Adys: i don't want to know that! |
| 22:50.25 | Xyphoid | why wouldn't people play zerg |
| 22:50.30 | Lunessa | alestane: Zelazny was a nice fellow and his books meant a lot to me as a teen. The Amber books are still some of my favorites. |
| 22:50.32 | Fisker | if it was put in the main article it would probably double in size |
| 22:51.28 | Xyphoid | amber is wonderful, i love that the 10-book omnibus is thinner than a single Wheel of Time novel on my shelf |
| 22:51.52 | alestane | I should try and read them again at some point. I think I first read Nine Princes in Amber because someone gave me the interactive fiction release (it was one of the few games available for my father's Atari 1040ST), and I was in sixth grade or so at the time. |
| 22:52.02 | Lunessa | Wheel of Time never really did it for me. |
| 22:52.11 | alestane | I didn't get a lot of what he was saying, I think. |
| 22:52.25 | alestane | I filled that gap with Fred Saberhagen and the Forgotten Realms. |
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| 22:52.37 | Lunessa | alestane: not bad gap-filler. :) |
| 22:52.46 | Dagmar | haha |
| 22:53.06 | alestane | Swords were good, but I think Empire of the East is actually better than what he followed it up with. |
| 22:53.35 | Nechckn | Adys imnsho, it has to do with the controversy and attention caused by the event, so it warrants a page of its own. The other two are coverable under the main MJ article, unless some huge thing happens and people go bonkers over the inception or birth. |
| 22:53.40 | Xyphoid | Lord of Light is still my favourite zelazny though |
| 22:53.57 | alestane | I think I read about ten pages of that one. |
| 22:54.33 | Lunessa | alestane: Empire of the East was awesome. |
| 22:54.57 | Lunessa | Xyphoid: Did you read "My Name is Legion"? |
| 22:55.11 | alestane | Isn't that the one with the back cover saying "His followers called him Mahasamartra, and claimed he was a god. He dropped the MAHA and ARTRA and simply went by Sam. He never claimed to be a god...but then, he never claimed not to be." |
| 22:55.29 | Lunessa | alestane: That's Lord of Light. It's a good tale. |
| 22:56.06 | alestane | And oddly, the character I remember with the most interest and fondness from the Swords books is still the Empress. |
| 22:56.52 | Xyphoid | Lunessa: nope. my older sf is very patchy, largely working off my dad's collection and the library |
| 22:57.55 | alestane | Empire of the East straddled the line between all the cliches of early scifi/fantasy (scantily clad princesses, machinating sorcerers, etc, the stuff of Jack Vance and Lin Carter) and the deeper scifi of recent years. |
| 22:58.07 | Lunessa | Xyphoid: Try to find Isle of the Dead - it's ... amazingly good. |
| 22:59.34 | Lunessa | http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/z/roger-zelazny/ - has a remarkably complete list. |
| 23:00.05 | Fisker | if they do a starcraft mmo it'll be in like 10 years |
| 23:00.48 | alestane | But seriously, Xyphoid, I don't think most people are ready to try role-playing a hydralisk. |
| 23:01.07 | Corrodias | clearly, the best thing to do as a hydralisk is farm for potions. |
| 23:01.08 | Xyphoid | what makes you think that most people playing MMOs are roleplaying? |
| 23:01.57 | alestane | Yes, well, the level of disconnect required to think playing a troll is cool is still rather less than playing a minion of the swarm. Most of them aren't even humanoid. |
| 23:02.16 | alestane | Even if you're not roleplaying, most players want to connect to their character on some level. |
| 23:02.16 | Xyphoid | people happily did the hillsbrad forsaken quests |
| 23:02.52 | alestane | Those are accessible, even if they're vile. |
| 23:02.59 | Fisker | so |
| 23:03.08 | Fisker | they will announce the new mmo on blizzcon? |
| 23:03.11 | Xyphoid | also how many people would want to play a kerrigan-clone |
| 23:03.13 | alestane | People can see themselves in that position. |
| 23:03.13 | Xyphoid | lots and lots |
| 23:03.46 | alestane | Yes, to make the zerg playable, you'd have to make most of them more humanoid. |
| 23:03.55 | alestane | Which would dilute the zerginess. |
| 23:04.23 | Xyphoid | i'd be shocked if nobody played hydralisks though |
| 23:04.29 | Xyphoid | they're pretty awesome |
| 23:04.51 | alestane | Mechanically it could be cool...pick the wrong class? Just pay 250 minerals and cocoon yourself until tomorrow. |
| 23:06.02 | alestane | Wake up a healer instead of a tank. |
| 23:06.41 | Kraps | s/250 minerals/$25 |
| 23:06.47 | alestane | Forfeit a level 10 alt to metamorphose him into a larger bank. |
| 23:07.24 | alestane | I think they' still don't allow paid reclassing, Kraps. |
| 23:07.34 | airtonix | yet |
| 23:07.53 | alestane | Logistical nightmare. I don't see it coming anytime in the forseeable. |
| 23:07.59 | Xyphoid | i want to play 100 zerglings at once in a MMO |
| 23:08.06 | airtonix | explain |
| 23:08.17 | Dagmar | WEll, there's Allods Online |
| 23:08.26 | Dagmar | You can play three little teddy bear lookin' freaks at once there |
| 23:08.30 | Dagmar | Gibberlings I think they're called |
| 23:08.45 | Xyphoid | yeah like that |
| 23:08.48 | Xyphoid | but with zerglings meleeing |
| 23:09.31 | alestane | The difference in play experience between playing a blood elf mage and a troll mage is fairly trivial compared to the difference between playing a forsaken warrior and a forsaken warlock. |
| 23:09.50 | Kraps | alestane: ya think? |
| 23:10.22 | alestane | Historical statistics (the ones listed near achievements) would be very strangely skewed by class changes. |
| 23:10.36 | Kraps | btw i have 20 minutes of SC2 left |
| 23:10.46 | Lunessa | "Now all can see. This is the hour of the Forsaken!" I get chills every time. |
| 23:11.04 | Kraps | calls the Reds |
| 23:11.13 | alestane | Mounts that are exclusive to races always have analogues, but mounts that are exclusive to classes do not. |
| 23:11.20 | alestane | Wrath Gate, Lunessa? |
| 23:11.43 | Lunessa | alestane: Yeah. And Putridius makes me want to play more Forsaken toons. |
| 23:12.03 | Xyphoid | also class change = all your gear is wrong |
| 23:12.17 | alestane | If a druid who never bought a flying mount converts himself to a shammie, how is he compensated for losing his flying form? I don't see reclassing any time soon. |
| 23:13.02 | alestane | I still love the introduction forsaken priests get from the trainer in Deathknell, Lunessa. |
| 23:13.34 | Lunessa | *nod* It's good stuff - though none of my Forsaken have gotten past level 35. |
| 23:13.47 | Trela | I believe it would be fine if you could pay to get a replacement character. You put in what you want and your old character gets deleted. |
| 23:14.25 | alestane | "Oh, and before we go any further, there's one thing you need to get straight: the Holy Light no longer concerns you, the spirits of your forefathers are fairy tales, and the creatures of the Nether don't *want* you." |
| 23:14.45 | alestane | Congratulations, you get to figure out what being a priest means under those circumstances. |
| 23:15.04 | Trela | It means time to ROCK OUT! |
| 23:15.04 | Lunessa | usually it means, "go shadow, bitches." |
| 23:15.25 | alestane | And when you get right down to it, there is one thing that the Forsaken revere and uphold as sacred: |
| 23:15.28 | alestane | Free will. |
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| 23:16.18 | Dagmar | You mean like what Death Knights have |
| 23:16.34 | alestane | For themselves, any way, given the human chick wandering around Undercity's War Quarter. |
| 23:16.48 | Trela | <Forsaken> I'm going to eat this damn cheese because I have FREE WILL! <Human> You can't eat... <Forsaken> WHO THE HELL CARES?! FREE WILL! |
| 23:17.05 | alestane | Actually, I think the Death Knights' principle driving force is vengeance. |
| 23:17.18 | alestane | The Lich King owed them large. |
| 23:17.24 | Lunessa | "Suffer well!" |
| 23:17.42 | Lunessa | and "We will have our revenge!" |
| 23:17.52 | alestane | Since that's all we've got, we might as well do it for a reason. |
| 23:17.53 | Trela | That is pretty much my death knight's story. Respected shaman, now a dead draenei that is sad that she can not haz babies. D: |
| 23:18.22 | Dagmar | wards off the RP |
| 23:18.28 | Trela | Impossible. |
| 23:19.22 | alestane | What was the add-on that let people "inspect" the description you wrote for youself? Was it Flagship? |
| 23:19.23 | Lunessa | each of my characters has a story. Even if I never share it with anyone. But now I shall share them all with Dagmar. |
| 23:19.50 | Dagmar | heh |
| 23:19.54 | alestane | I do feel like I owe Alestane her story. Maybe not so much for the others. |
| 23:19.57 | Lunessa | alestane: most of the RP mods did that. But that was the grandpappy. |
| 23:20.28 | Kraps | "From the creators of the World of Warcraft and StarCraft board games comes Sid Meier's Civilization: The Board Game, the second board game inspired by the addictive turn-based strategy game" |
| 23:20.34 | alestane | I remember someone posting a link to a screenshot in the old chat room was was outright pornographic description. |
| 23:21.32 | ZorbaTHut | Sid Meier's Civilization: The Board Game is kind of hilarious |
| 23:21.46 | ZorbaTHut | that's an upbringing that's rivaling 2061 in terms of convolution |
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| 23:22.05 | Dagmar | Lunessa: My main has a "story" and that story is that he needs more beer. |
| 23:22.18 | Dagmar | That's proper dwarf RP. |
| 23:22.32 | Lunessa | Dagmar: That and greed. |
| 23:22.43 | ZorbaTHut | Greed for beer! |
| 23:22.45 | alestane | "I like my beer like I like my women...stout and bitter." |
| 23:22.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (~muffins@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 23:22.49 | Lunessa | And maybe a hunger for Thelsemar Blood Sausage. |
| 23:23.02 | Dagmar | Goes well with beer. |
| 23:23.26 | Dagmar | There's an unwritten rule that if there are more than two dwarves in one place, there will be a keg nearby. |
| 23:23.30 | alestane | Yes, Lunessa, although I feel like my dwarf roge jewelcrafter is a good fit all around. |
| 23:23.31 | Tuller | so a guildmate/guildmaster of my guild seems to have gotten an email from blizzy stating that we are a beta contest winner |
| 23:23.33 | Lunessa | Remember, dwarves don't get drunk, just a lil' sloppy. |
| 23:23.39 | alestane | Have you done the new dwarf starting area, Dagmer? |
| 23:23.41 | Tuller | anyone here that's on that can validate it more? :P |
| 23:23.55 | Dagmar | alestane: Nope. Dont' have a beta key |
| 23:24.03 | Corrodias | Tuller: well, the main thing is, if it contains any links, see that they go to blizzard.com. ;P |
| 23:24.15 | Lunessa | Tuller: or battle.net |
| 23:24.23 | Kraps | prepares to drop $60 |
| 23:24.25 | Corrodias | or something highly suspicious! |
| 23:24.35 | Dagmar | alestane: Not really all that much help that I can contribute while addons are disabled |
| 23:25.02 | alestane | The first quest you get after you kill some troggs and they send you into Anvilmar is called "First Things First: We're Going to Need Some Beer." |
| 23:25.05 | *** join/#wowuidev roboe (~roboe@50A2E6C0.flatrate.dk) |
| 23:25.11 | Dagmar | Sounds about right to me |
| 23:26.02 | alestane | When the frell did it get to be 7:30? No wonder I'm hungry. |
| 23:26.08 | Dagmar | I wasn't kidding about the dwarfs > 2 == keg thing. There's a few places in Northrend where there's even just *two* dwarves together, and there's a pony keg behind a tree about 15 feet away |
| 23:26.42 | Dagmar | "Eshk, why are you drinking. Your mana is full." |
| 23:26.52 | Dagmar | "I'm sorry, I don't understand the question." |
| 23:26.57 | alestane | Or the Longbeards in HFP..."and no, we won't share our kegs. It's not our fault that no-one in Outland thought to bring beer but us." |
| 23:26.58 | Dagmar | "Want some Kungaloosh?" |
| 23:27.07 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 23:27.18 | alestane | Kungaloosh is either really fantastic or vile. |
| 23:27.55 | Dagmar | It's pretty strong, that's for sure |
| 23:28.08 | Dagmar | Gf won't drink it on her mage toon becasue apparently it makes her screen all blurry |
| 23:28.14 | Lunessa | "It tastes like something my wife would drink." *gets knocked on his ass by the 'kick'* "Whoa! Now that's more like what I expected from Grimbooze." |
| 23:28.21 | Kraps | yay it is boughten! |
| 23:28.38 | alestane | I adore Umeshuu, but I doubt the stuff out of Grimbooze's still is that refined. |
| 23:30.53 | Funkeh` | I love how people will still blatantly rip your code, then publish it, even though it's All Rights Reserved |
| 23:31.04 | alestane | This is an interesting thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjuf7DELz9s |
| 23:32.09 | Corrodias | (C) Blizzard Entertainment |
| 23:33.50 | alestane | Now I must go have some pizza. |
| 23:35.40 | Funkeh` | I think this is fair right? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=16818#comments |
| 23:35.46 | NightHawkTheSane | well, that killed an hour. man, interviews suck as much from this side as they do from the other side. |
| 23:36.02 | Odlaw | sigh.. wish i knew some email addresses to the design team behind starcraft.. i'd like to let them know that if 'dont tase me bro' isnt a cheat code.. i'm going to be upset :( |
| 23:36.12 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: decent applicant? |
| 23:36.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: ... yeah, generally. good technically, but very.. animated/over-the-top. *shrug* |
| 23:36.43 | Odlaw | saw some of the cheat codes and was laughing pretty good.. and then i thought.. dont tase me bro better be one of the cheats :/ |
| 23:38.23 | Kraps | there are always "about 1,000,000 players" on |
| 23:38.27 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane At least it was not some totally incompetent dweeb who completely wasted your time. |
| 23:38.45 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 23:38.50 | NightHawkTheSane | true, that. |
| 23:39.34 | Xyphoid | Kraps: for me it's been 250,000 to 750,000 |
| 23:39.40 | Xyphoid | woo south-east-asia servers |
| 23:39.50 | Kraps | ah |
| 23:40.59 | Kraps | holy crap, blues are blogging? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/47685 |
| 23:41.05 | Lunessa | NHTS: Did his code sample have proper indenting? |
| 23:42.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yes :P |
| 23:42.40 | Lunessa | NHTS: Hrm... that's a big plus. |
| 23:43.53 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248416157 |
| 23:47.14 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: the animation may be interview jitters |
| 23:47.30 | *** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuohep@89.222.156.36) |
| 23:47.42 | Wobin | and an extroverted programmer is not a bad thing |
| 23:47.50 | Wobin | better than an excessively introverted one |
| 23:49.04 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 23:49.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm not the one making the ultimate decision, though. Fortunately :) |
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| 23:53.12 | Kraps | what does "melee" mean by the map selection? |
| 23:54.41 | Cide- | it means it's a regular game |
| 23:54.55 | Cide- | where you build bases and kill the opponent |
| 23:54.55 | Cide- | with the regular rules |
| 23:56.56 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: do you have something against those of us that are excessively introverted? |
| 23:57.13 | Kraps | ^ |
| 23:57.23 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: well, even if I did... what would you do about it? =) |
| 23:57.58 | Wobin | but in any case, in a team situation, extroverted is better than introverted |
| 23:58.24 | Cide- | even if he did, would you dare to ask, Arrowmaster? |
| 23:58.51 | Arrowmaster | i remember somebody in here was shocked over the graphs on http://www.mypersonality.info/arrowmaster/ when we were all playing with that site |
