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| 00:11.18 | Tepetkhet | I has a BUTAN! |
| 00:11.26 | Tepetkhet | :D |
| 00:16.19 | MoonWitch | awesome shower scene in CSI : Some woman in a steaming hot shower.. All of the sudden the water turns into blood. |
| 00:16.35 | MoonWitch | what a way to wake up... blood shower |
| 00:18.07 | Dagmar | She should have read the manual on that showerhead |
| 00:18.17 | MoonWitch | probably |
| 00:18.19 | Dagmar | Three settings: Pulsing, Stream, Arterial |
| 00:18.22 | Dagmar | The last one's a bitch |
| 00:18.26 | Tepetkhet | *rofl* |
| 00:18.39 | MoonWitch | lol i love your humor Dagmar |
| 00:19.01 | Dagmar | Danke |
| 00:19.45 | MoonWitch | oh god how dumb |
| 00:19.54 | MoonWitch | chick with sliced wrists |
| 00:20.10 | MoonWitch | coronor : crime scene must be a bloody mess |
| 00:20.18 | MoonWitch | Taylor : nope, all clean |
| 00:20.20 | Tepetkhet | I'm so excited. I have a movable button now. I think I will see if I can find a way to collapse the button somehow (set the size to width = 3 or something?) when I click the close button instead of making it hide. |
| 00:20.28 | Dagmar | British guy, I take it? |
| 00:20.53 | MoonWitch | chick was floating in a water tank with sliced wrists... sliced wrists UNDERWATER == no arterial spray on surfaces. |
| 00:21.01 | Dagmar | Tepetkhet: Should be quite possible, but the question I'd be asking is does it make sense to make it shrink? |
| 00:21.31 | Tepetkhet | Well, what I want to do is hide it like Norganna's Slidebar kinda. |
| 00:21.47 | Tepetkhet | So it collapses out of the way when it's not needed. |
| 00:22.06 | Tepetkhet | And you can click the sliver to pop it back out. |
| 00:22.18 | Dagmar | OKay, that's reasonable if there's a very high likelihood that the user won't need to click it again right away |
| 00:22.42 | Tepetkhet | Oh |
| 00:22.47 | Tepetkhet | Not collapse the button. |
| 00:22.52 | Tepetkhet | Collapse the frame containing the button. |
| 00:23.27 | Tepetkhet | I'm trying to solve the problem of Lots of buffs to cast, not enough action buttons, not enough screen real estate. |
| 00:23.45 | Dagmar | Ah, so take a good long look at context then |
| 00:24.11 | MoonWitch | can be even easier : keybind to show frame |
| 00:24.18 | Tepetkhet | hmmm |
| 00:24.19 | MoonWitch | and to hide it again of course |
| 00:24.28 | Dagmar | ...and keep in mind that the moment combat begins, things change (becuse your interface is no longer allowed to) |
| 00:24.32 | Tepetkhet | Except this is catering to clickers, not keybinders. :) |
| 00:24.37 | Tepetkhet | That's the target audience. |
| 00:24.42 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 00:24.55 | Tepetkhet | Hmmm...oh yeah. |
| 00:25.09 | Tepetkhet | I will have to think about that. |
| 00:26.53 | foxlit | Dear SC2 random race selection: stop it |
| 00:27.52 | foxlit | 6/2/8 games as t/z/p, gief zerg already |
| 00:28.02 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 00:28.07 | Shadowed | Yea I swear the SC2 random selector is not random |
| 00:28.59 | Tepetkhet | I just tested with SlideBar and it is accessible in combat. |
| 00:29.02 | foxlit | Still haven't found a proper terran rush against ai, though |
| 00:29.44 | Tepetkhet | So it seems that it is possible to make a window that will pop out, have clickable buttons, and be accessible in combat. |
| 00:30.25 | Tepetkhet | Right now, all the button in SlideBar does is print something to chat, though. |
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| 00:32.21 | Dark_Elf | sc2 is moddable? |
| 00:32.27 | Shadowed | not in the sense that WoW is |
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| 00:32.38 | Dagmar | There's a mods directory, but so far I've seen no docs on it |
| 00:32.49 | Shadowed | You can make maps and such, but you can't actually muck with the interface |
| 00:32.58 | Dark_Elf | awe |
| 00:33.00 | Dagmar | By the look of what's in it, it looks like it's for game ruleset mods |
| 00:33.01 | foxlit | Unless you're mucking with the interface as part of the map |
| 00:33.03 | Tepetkhet | hmm |
| 00:35.15 | Dagmar | I suppose now is as good a time as any to break out the MPQ unpacker and start looking around for the jukebox controls |
| 00:35.26 | foxlit | controls, Dagmar? |
| 00:35.38 | Dagmar | Yes, the things that control what the jukebox plays |
| 00:36.34 | foxlit | It'd be weird if you could actually alter them. |
| 00:38.40 | foxlit | Eh, you can create a melee game with only you in it |
| 00:38.47 | foxlit | Instant victory. |
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| 00:45.50 | Shirik | ^ |
| 00:45.58 | Shirik | very good strategy for testing stuff |
| 00:46.01 | Jerub | 12 minute nexus |
| 00:46.05 | Jerub | new personal best |
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| 00:53.40 | MoonWitch | Jerub, nice job :) |
| 00:55.34 | Tepetkhet | I guess CastSpellByName is the wrong thing to use there. :/ |
| 00:59.05 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kings_of_Leon&diff=376503448&oldid=376481216 |
| 00:59.17 | foxlit | You cannot view this diff because one or both of the revisions have been removed from the public archives. |
| 00:59.22 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:59.22 | kd3 | ^ |
| 00:59.50 | Shirik | the kings of leon are a front the are accually a gay cover up the go from city to city rapeing little teen boys with there guitars they then recruit them in to an underground cult the were responsible for the september 11 attacks cause the terrorists |
| 00:59.51 | Shirik | heard there ep and were like were gonna bomb the shit out of everything cause we got the oil bitches at which john mayer began fucking caleb followill it ended with a jonas brother gang bang with all the members of coldplay the are now being treated for super herpes 3000 and the crabs have herpes |
| 01:00.11 | kd3 | lol, wtf |
| 01:01.10 | Shirik | some people have too much free time |
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| 01:04.04 | Tepetkhet | I have a lot of stuff in XML now, but I guess I need to learn how to do it in LUA... |
| 01:05.49 | cog|away | Fisker: haters gonna hate |
| 01:06.04 | MoonWitch | holy crap |
| 01:06.19 | MoonWitch | a deskchair (ergonomic) costs over 2k euro |
| 01:06.22 | MoonWitch | damn |
| 01:06.34 | Mr_Rabies | aw, it's no longer possible to autojoin the LFD when the queue pops |
| 01:06.37 | Mr_Rabies | ? |
| 01:06.51 | cog|away | goes away again |
| 01:07.09 | Dagmar | I'm suprised to hear that it was ever possible |
| 01:07.13 | alestane | Yeah, the chair design I like turns out to only be available from one company, handmade and hardwood crafted, and goes for $400, MoonWitch. |
| 01:07.29 | foxlit | Was that question mark a question? :) |
| 01:07.49 | Mr_Rabies | it used to be, dagmar |
| 01:08.14 | Mr_Rabies | Good/bad news, depending on your stance: LFDAutoJoin does not work on PTR 3.3.3 because AcceptProposal() is semi-protected. (it seems to cause tainting only when called from an event handler; e.g. LFG_PROPOSAL_SHOW) |
| 01:08.33 | MoonWitch | alestane : because of my back, I need to pay attention to decent chairs, and now thanks to the fatty tissues leaving my behind my awesome chair isn't awesome anymore |
| 01:09.10 | Mr_Rabies | every time i get up for a second to go grab a drink or something, the dungeon queue pops and i miss it :( |
| 01:09.19 | alestane | I really like the look of the things, but there is no way I'm paying that much for a chair without a chance to try it out first. |
| 01:09.36 | MoonWitch | same |
| 01:09.47 | MoonWitch | so which one is it? |
| 01:09.50 | MoonWitch | I am curious now |
| 01:10.40 | alestane | http://www.comfortstoredirect.com/varier-variable-balans-kneeling-chair.aspx |
| 01:10.54 | alestane | I like the rocking aspect. |
| 01:10.58 | MoonWitch | oh that looks comfy |
| 01:11.11 | Mr_Rabies | $400 + hospital bill for broken jaw |
| 01:11.18 | MoonWitch | http://www.kantoormeubilair.nl/Bureaustoelen/Wagner/AluMedic.htm |
| 01:12.06 | MoonWitch | http://www.kantoormeubilair.nl/Bureaustoelen/Haider/Bioswing-550-jive-voor-grote-mensen.htm in that one, your butt's constantly moving |
| 01:12.24 | MoonWitch | seriously, with some minor changes to such a chair, it could become very interesting |
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| 01:15.14 | alestane | Sort of like that chair Ellen Degeneres was showcasing before. |
| 01:15.22 | MoonWitch | perhaps I should go to a car cemetary thing |
| 01:15.26 | MoonWitch | buy a chair |
| 01:15.41 | MoonWitch | (sorry but some car seats are so insanely comfy) |
| 01:22.38 | alestane | Whee, new work version of Lua 5.2 again. |
| 01:30.19 | MoonWitch | alestane: http://www.collishop.be/collishop/nl/shops/Opruimen__en__meubelen/Meubelen/Bureaustoelen__opbergen__1/500738_BUREAUSTOEL__ORTEGA my current chair |
| 01:30.54 | Tepetkhet | Maybe I can't do this after all. |
| 01:31.03 | alestane | Depends what you're trying to do. |
| 01:32.04 | alestane | I have one that looks a lot like that, MoonWitch, a neighbor gave it to us when she moved in and didn't have room for it. It's not suede-y though. I can't sit in it much anymore, I start to feel like I'm fossilizing. |
| 01:32.06 | Tepetkhet | I managed to make a button that I click and it casts a spell in XML. I was trying to see if I could write a function in LUA to do the same, but when a different button is clicked. |
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| 01:32.45 | alestane | You should be able to do that, but you'll need to use the same SecureActionButtonTemplate. |
| 01:34.16 | alestane | You can't do it from your own OnClick handler. |
| 01:40.37 | Cairenn | so, who has an "elite" (whatever the fuck that is) account on MMOwned? |
| 01:41.28 | Tepetkhet | Oh. |
| 01:41.53 | Tepetkhet | Then I don't think I can do what I was trying to do. |
| 01:42.02 | Tepetkhet | I'll have to do something else. |
| 01:44.06 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: by semi-protected you mean 'requires a hardware event?' |
| 01:47.13 | alestane | Want's your eventual goal, Tepetkhet? |
| 01:47.24 | alestane | What's* |
| 01:47.37 | Tepetkhet | Collapsible buff bar. |
| 01:48.15 | Tepetkhet | I phrased that ambiguously. |
| 01:50.24 | alestane | From that description, it *sounds* like something you can do, but you're probably going to need to describe it in more detail. |
| 01:50.29 | Tepetkhet | A bar of player castable buffs based on class that can be collapsed when not needed to a sliver, then clicked and opened when needed. |
| 01:51.03 | alestane | You should be able to do that, as long as you're willing to get up to your elbows in secure handlers. |
| 01:51.18 | Mr_Rabies | <Arrowmaster> Mr_Rabies: by semi-protected you mean 'requires a hardware event?' |
| 01:51.38 | Dagmar | "Protected" as in requires a hardware event. |
| 01:51.40 | Tepetkhet | I really really hoped that I could somehow use SlideBar because I like the way it looks and insert my own buff buttons into it. |
| 01:51.46 | Tepetkhet | But I don't think I can do that. |
| 01:51.51 | Dagmar | "Semi-" as in "any idiot can click on it at any time" |
| 01:51.52 | Tepetkhet | So I will have to do something else. |
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| 01:52.17 | Mr_Rabies | i meant to put that in quotes, i'm pretty much dumb when it comes to coding at all, i was quoting an addon author's page |
| 01:52.51 | Kraps | http://cdn.cad-comic.com/comics/2108308914c21922gb2s26ad76323.gif |
| 01:53.49 | Tepetkhet | I'm trying to do different things right now to see what's possible and trying to set what I THINK are small goals every day. |
| 01:53.56 | Mr_Rabies | B^U |
| 01:54.15 | Tepetkhet | Today's goal was to figure out how to anchor a container to the right hand side of the screen and allow it to be moved up and down. |
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| 01:54.25 | Amarande | G'evening :) |
| 01:54.26 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:54.32 | Amarande | anyone else ever have this problem with ATSW and Auctioneer? |
| 01:54.34 | Tepetkhet | I think that's beyond my capabilities right now...so at least I have a container that will start in the lower right. |
| 01:54.40 | Amarande | I pop up the auction UI |
| 01:54.43 | Tepetkhet | And can't be dragged off screen. |
| 01:54.46 | Amarande | click on an ATSW reagent list search |
| 01:54.49 | Tepetkhet | :( |
| 01:55.03 | Amarande | then try to select an auction to buy it, and instead it keeps insisting on asking "do you want to add (seller) to your ignore list?" |
| 01:55.25 | Kraps | Mr_Rabies: hate for hate's sake doesnt fly with me :p |
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| 01:56.35 | Mr_Rabies | i don't hate the guy i just think he should seek employment elsewhere |
| 01:58.56 | Tepetkhet | Windowshade...that's what I'm thinking. |
| 01:59.01 | Tepetkhet | That type of action. |
| 01:59.42 | Mr_Rabies | he seems to be taking the criticism positivelty and the art seems to be much better, but he's still very TL;DR |
| 02:00.13 | Kraps | "Discipline - Increases the potency of all your damage absorption spells by 20%. Absorption increased further by mastery rating." "all"? theres like 3 with one on a long cd |
| 02:01.22 | Kraps | fucking PW:S, how does it work?... in cata |
| 02:01.40 | Kraps | cwutididthar |
| 02:02.17 | Amarande | yay, /console reloadui fixed the ignore glitch |
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| 02:11.29 | Kraps | just cause 2 is 50% off on steam |
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| 02:18.39 | ccox | I hate it when you can see trends in data clearly, but regression/function fitting just fails |
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| 02:47.43 | Amarande | ahh, it feels good to help a longtime friend on her first character on the realm :) |
| 02:47.51 | Amarande | just made her four 18 slotter bags for free |
| 02:47.55 | Amarande | and I almost never make 18 slotters for ANYONE |
| 02:48.07 | Amarande | because goddamned netherweb silk is a pain in the ass to get anymore |
| 02:48.20 | Amarande | even my alts usually make do with 16's now |
| 02:49.12 | Arrowmaster | spiders were my shard farming spot in TBC i have tons of it on a bank alt |
| 02:49.16 | Kraps | test |
| 02:49.26 | Kraps | ~ping |
| 02:49.27 | purl | ~pong |
| 02:50.09 | Amarande | Arrow: I always forget and sell all of mine off when I'm leveling through Outland |
| 02:50.17 | Amarande | and then there is NEVER any on the AH when I need some for bags |
| 02:50.48 | Amarande | netherweave cloth? tons. arcane dust? plenty. greater planar essence? enough. netherweb silk? more like NEVERweb silk. |
| 02:51.25 | Arrowmaster | i thought there was a wrath 18 slot bag though |
| 02:51.32 | Amarande | no, there's a wrath 20 |
| 02:51.33 | Tepetkhet | haha |
| 02:51.40 | Amarande | but my tailor isn't high enough to make it yet |
| 02:52.04 | Amarande | there's also a BC 20 and a Wrath 22 |
| 02:52.11 | Amarande | but those I don't make for anyone, even my alts, because it costs too damn much |
| 02:52.24 | Amarande | it's like 300g worth of mats for the BC 20, and even more for the Wrath 22 (plus isn't glacial bag still on a CD?) |
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| 02:53.39 | Arrowmaster | i was making 18 slotters back in classic |
| 02:54.26 | Wobin | http://dvice.com/archives/2010/07/watermelons-100.php |
| 02:56.59 | Amarande | yeah, there's a classic 18 slotter bag but I've never gotten the recipe |
| 02:57.05 | Amarande | or even seen it on the AH (it might be BoP though, I'm not sure) |
| 02:57.14 | Amarande | OTOH, I DO have the 28 slot classic soul bag recipe on my tailor |
| 02:57.23 | Amarande | the only epic craftable container *in the game* |
| 02:57.49 | Amarande | I keep thinking of making one for my lock in these last few months of soul bags' careers |
| 02:57.54 | Amarande | just for the shininess sake |
| 02:58.06 | Amarande | I could afford the mats I'm sure ... but I just never see enough core leather on the AH, sadly |
| 02:58.20 | Wobin | just go into MC and kill the dogs yourself |
| 02:58.36 | Amarande | Wobin: can a frost DPS DK in T9 get there and do that solo? |
| 02:58.40 | Jerub | i have some core eather |
| 02:58.51 | Wobin | probably |
| 02:58.56 | Wobin | it's only level 60 content |
| 03:01.22 | Arrowmaster | and the dogs respawn every 15 minutes |
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| 03:03.13 | Amarande | how much HP do they have, btw? |
| 03:03.23 | Amarande | something reasonable, or is it like 80,000+ apiece like those dragons near the dream portals? |
| 03:03.29 | eidolarr | is there a function like dump except instead of printing the value it returns it? |
| 03:05.26 | alestane | Um, what? |
| 03:05.51 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: those dragons are bosses, the dogs are just trash mobs |
| 03:05.53 | alestane | What problem are you trying to solve. |
| 03:05.59 | alestane | ? |
| 03:06.07 | eidolarr | like a lua function where i can do |
| 03:06.15 | eidolarr | x = evaluate("2 + 5") |
| 03:06.17 | eidolarr | and x is 7 |
| 03:06.21 | Arrowmaster | loadstring |
| 03:06.47 | alestane | lua> x = loadstring("return 2 + 5")() print(x) |
| 03:06.47 | lua_bot | alestane: 7 |
| 03:06.51 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: I don't mean the big dragons |
| 03:07.00 | Amarande | I mean the groups of 3 or so of the semi-humanoid dragon guys |
| 03:07.08 | Amarande | which have like 70,000-90,000 HP *each* |
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| 03:07.34 | Amarande | I do believe they are actually the very strongest non boss, non instance mobs that Classic ever had |
| 03:07.50 | Amarande | well except Dr. Weavil anyway ... but even if he's nominally +63, he's really a boss. :P |
| 03:07.58 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember how much hp the core hounds have but i was soloing the trash mobs in aq40 on my warlock, and aq40 is two tiers above mc |
| 03:08.29 | alestane | So you could define your own evaluate as [[function evaluate(expr) return assert(loadstring("return "..expr))() end]]. |
| 03:09.17 | eidolarr | that is exactly what i will do |
| 03:09.19 | eidolarr | thanks a lot |
| 03:09.49 | eidolarr | why the assert? loadstring doesn't throw errors? |
| 03:11.11 | alestane | In the event of uncompilable code, loadstring will return nil and an error string, but it will not throw an actual error. |
| 03:11.44 | eidolarr | i see |
| 03:11.50 | eidolarr | thanks again |
| 03:12.00 | alestane | So by including the assert, you stand to get an actual meaningful error, rather than just "Attempt to call temporary ? (a nil value)." |
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| 03:19.54 | Adys | someone finally forked PIL |
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| 03:32.27 | alestane | Programming in Lua? |
| 03:33.16 | alestane | It's Roberto's book, I don't expect it would be hosted anywhere else unless he sponsored it. |
| 03:33.59 | eidolarr | I've written a small library to generate GUI elements from descriptive Lua tables; right now I lump child frames and layered regions into one table "children" |
| 03:34.08 | eidolarr | are there any obvious downsides to this that i'm missing? |
| 03:35.04 | alestane | Depends how you index the table, I think. |
| 03:35.15 | eidolarr | elaborate? |
| 03:35.43 | alestane | Are they all in a common sequence of integer keys? Are they placed under string keys, i.e. field names? |
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| 03:36.09 | eidolarr | well that's up to me |
| 03:36.34 | eidolarr | right now I was going to have the keys optionally be the element names, where numbers can be used for nameless ones, or ones where the child's table specifies the name |
| 03:36.51 | alestane | When I have a group of buttons that are repetitive in some way, like action buttons in a bar, I prefer to store them as an 'array' in the table that stands for the main frame. But if they have distinct functions, it's better to give them names. |
| 03:37.27 | eidolarr | well you can certainly do either with this |
| 03:37.34 | alestane | Well, if you decide to iterate over the table, are you going to have to check each item to make sure it's the right kind before you act on it? |
| 03:38.04 | eidolarr | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 03:38.17 | alestane | Oh wait. |
| 03:38.26 | eidolarr | here's an example: frameTable = { name = "exampleFrame", type = "frame", children = { ... } } |
| 03:38.32 | eidolarr | and anything in children can be a table of similar structure |
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| 03:38.43 | alestane | You're talking about putting them into a single table as part of the table you feed into your generator, not the output from the generator. |
| 03:38.59 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 03:39.12 | eidolarr | ah my bad, I see how that's confusing |
| 03:39.15 | eidolarr | but yes I am |
| 03:39.26 | Tepetkhet | What does "this" mean in this:RegisterForClicks("LeftButtonUp", "RightButtonDown"); |
| 03:39.48 | alestane | It's an old synonym for "self", Tepetkhet, it should be abolished. |
| 03:39.49 | Tepetkhet | I'm sorry for all the stupid questions. |
| 03:39.58 | Tepetkhet | Ohhhh, ok. I've seen self. |
| 03:40.02 | Tepetkhet | But not this. |
| 03:40.05 | Tepetkhet | ok |
| 03:40.34 | alestane | Well, eidolarr, that also means that your generator will have to call different functions depending on what type is listed. |
| 03:40.47 | eidolarr | Yeah but I already have to do that for, say, frames vs buttons |
| 03:41.01 | eidolarr | I just index into a handler table by the type field |
| 03:41.09 | alestane | So separating the different elements (child frames, textures, fontstrings) might allow you to simplify the code. |
| 03:41.17 | eidolarr | the only reason I ask is that XML segregates layered regions and child frames |
| 03:41.34 | alestane | But frames and buttons are both created with CreateFrame. |
| 03:41.37 | eidolarr | I wrote an addon with them mixed together and it seemed fine but I am far from a UI master |
| 03:42.03 | eidolarr | true, but they require different handlers, and if you're already doing that it's not a big deal to do CreateTexture instead of CreateFRame |
| 03:42.27 | eidolarr | which ultimately ends up meaning don't call the superclass handler, aka don't call handlers.frame |
| 03:43.22 | eidolarr | I mean, having the code right now, I don't see how I could reduce its mass by special casing layered regions |
| 03:43.31 | eidolarr | and I'm more concerned with usability |
| 03:43.37 | alestane | None of the code requires a difference in creating a button vs. a frame, unless you want to validate them in advance and avoid setting scripts on widgets that don't support them. |
| 03:44.11 | eidolarr | sure it does, a button might have a pressedTexture,a frame cannot |
| 03:44.26 | eidolarr | it's not like they're passing in the names of the functions to call |
| 03:44.39 | eidolarr | I have to associate every key with a function by hand |
| 03:44.59 | alestane | You could have used the names of the functions as the keys and probably saved a lot of trouble. |
| 03:45.02 | eidolarr | unless you mean like, having a handler per key and blindly handling every key without looking at the type |
| 03:45.28 | eidolarr | meh it would have been harder to achieve consistency and needlessly verbose |
| 03:45.39 | eidolarr | like, say I did that |
| 03:45.43 | alestane | Except that this way required you to write a big honking table. |
| 03:45.53 | eidolarr | ok, I have { type = "frame", "SetName" = "bananaFrame" } |
| 03:46.01 | eidolarr | then what happens if I want to inherit from something? |
| 03:46.11 | alestane | There is no SetName, but that's a different issue. |
| 03:46.18 | eidolarr | {type = "frame", inheritsFrom = "SomeTemplate", } |
| 03:46.23 | eidolarr | well yeah but you see what I'm saying |
| 03:46.49 | eidolarr | not every "attribute" of a frame has a function associated with it, and I wouldn't want to make a rule like "keys are function names" inconsistently |
| 03:47.08 | alestane | So basically, you wanted to create a framework so that you can create frames very concisely. |
| 03:47.53 | alestane | Since the only advantage I can see to this over XML is a marginally shorter syntax. |
| 03:48.28 | eidolarr | XML is verbose, harder to debug imo, and its links with Lua aren't always obvious |
| 03:48.35 | eidolarr | you also can't modify XML templates at runtime |
| 03:48.51 | eidolarr | mostly I just hate writing XML GUIs though |
| 03:49.19 | eidolarr | "framework" is too grandiose, you just pass in a table and it gives you a frame back like any other |
| 03:49.30 | eidolarr | not like, say, acegui, which is way more ambitious |
| 03:50.07 | alestane | jnwhiteh would laugh to hear me say this, since last time I was on the other side of the argument, but XML is quite easy to debug if you have validation attached to it. |
| 03:50.35 | eidolarr | welp i do not have that |
| 03:51.28 | eidolarr | idk I doubted its usefulness too but having used it now I like it a lot, it's a nice balance between XML and imperative-style Lua |
| 03:51.37 | eidolarr | with the benefits of both |
| 03:51.45 | alestane | Also, my usual approach is that Lua was designed for descriptive programming in the first place. Rather than feed "size = {200, 15}" to a routine that is going to call :SetSize(x, y), why not just call the routine? |
| 03:52.24 | alestane | I suppose runtime modifiability is something you get out of it that you wouldn't out of a template closure, but I'm not sure it's frequently going to be useful. |
| 03:52.52 | eidolarr | I find the syntax for doing that cluttered and cumbersome, and it integrates the description of your UI elements with their implementation, a very good point cog made a few weeks ago |
| 03:53.20 | alestane | Since it sounds like this is primarily a writing-assistance tool for your use, you should implement it in whatever way is most likely to secure your future happiness. |
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| 03:54.08 | eidolarr | well we have come full circle, idk what the advantages and disadvantages are and i don't want to shoot myself in the foot =) |
| 03:54.26 | eidolarr | I've also made it with others in mind |
| 03:54.50 | alestane | Since you've already implemented the multi-case approach, simplifying it would require more work for little advantage. |
| 03:55.12 | eidolarr | it wouldn't be too bad |
| 03:55.24 | eidolarr | it would take more work to change the addons to conform heh |
| 03:56.03 | alestane | Layered regions and frames inherit from a common base, the Region, so there are only a few conceptual differences between textures and child frames. |
| 03:56.45 | eidolarr | why did blizzard choose to have two different tags for layered regions vs frames? |
| 03:57.28 | alestane | One describes behavior only, the other describes presentation only. |
| 03:57.39 | alestane | Would be my guess. |
| 03:57.56 | eidolarr | but frames have backdrops and stuff |
| 03:59.02 | MoonWitch | eidolarr: naah, that's just your imagination |
| 03:59.42 | alestane | Backdrops were created to address a special case, and I believe they're losing primacy in Cataclysm in favor of the texture-tiling system they introduced a patch or two ago on live. |
| 04:00.07 | alestane | Did you just get back up, MoonWitch? It must be something like seven in the morning over there. |
| 04:00.32 | MoonWitch | it's 6AM |
| 04:00.41 | MoonWitch | and I've not gone to bed yet, but don't tell Cairenn |
| 04:00.48 | Cairenn | You just did |
| 04:00.54 | Cairenn | growls at MoonWitch |
| 04:00.54 | alestane | ...who might still be up herself. |
| 04:00.55 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 04:00.58 | Cairenn | go sleep, woman! |
| 04:01.03 | MoonWitch | hugs Cairenn |
| 04:01.14 | Cairenn | No, no hugs until after you sleep! |
| 04:01.24 | MoonWitch | I am too awake to sleep |
| 04:01.24 | Cairenn | (although I will come tuck you in) |
| 04:01.27 | MoonWitch | I've tried actually |
| 04:01.30 | MoonWitch | ooh |
| 04:01.30 | alestane | ...you're one to talk, sweetheart. Aren't you usually sleeping from about 10am to 5pm or so? |
| 04:01.33 | MoonWitch | goes to bed |
| 04:01.44 | Cairenn | alestane: some days ;) |
| 04:01.53 | Cairenn | tucks MoonWitch in |
| 04:02.01 | Jamash | you're always on the right schedule for some time zone |
| 04:02.04 | MoonWitch | I actually do the same lol -- mom was mighty pissed I slept most of my birthday |
| 04:02.27 | Jamash | or failing that, some planet |
| 04:02.33 | MoonWitch | wait, they rent out humidors? |
| 04:02.34 | MoonWitch | >.< |
| 04:02.39 | eidolarr | I used to be like that and you know what I have found helps? |
| 04:02.58 | eidolarr | I read an article about blue light, and evidently the blue light from your monitor has profound effects on your sleep cycle |
| 04:03.16 | eidolarr | there's a program called f.lux that gradually filters it out when it gets later, and like magic I'm sleepy at 11pm these days |
| 04:03.23 | MoonWitch | cool |
| 04:03.31 | alestane | eidolarr, since the only real concern segregating one from the other is user convenience, the only real way to establish the best forms is to subject it to a whole bunch of use cases. Preferably from a whole bunch of people. |
| 04:03.40 | eidolarr | it sounded like bullshit to me but evidently there's science behind it and stuff |
| 04:03.48 | Jamash | SCIENCE |
| 04:03.52 | eidolarr | because of the blue light in sunlight or something |
| 04:04.00 | alestane | You can design it all you want, and half of that will be blown out of the water when it runs into real users. |
| 04:04.11 | eidolarr | fair enough |
| 04:04.21 | eidolarr | oh I meant to ask this too |
| 04:04.34 | eidolarr | my girlfriend and I have been writing an addon together but she isn't subscribed so we both use my account |
| 04:04.40 | MoonWitch | my issue with such software is : my porn will look like crap |
| 04:04.42 | alestane | Design is good; you'll generally get a better product if you start with a design; but designs always change when they're put into practice. |
| 04:05.02 | eidolarr | earlier tonight she logged in when I was online, but it didn't boot me to the login screen like it usually does, just silently disconnected me like when you lag out |
| 04:05.04 | alestane | You won't care, MoonWitch, you'll be asleep. |
| 04:05.12 | eidolarr | it was confusing at the time but the result is that I can reload my UI to debug without being "online" |
| 04:05.17 | MoonWitch | OMFG |
| 04:05.23 | MoonWitch | MY ENTIRE SCREEN IS ORAN|GE |
| 04:05.23 | eidolarr | also i can roam the continent without getting killed |
| 04:05.29 | eidolarr | hahaha yeah |
| 04:05.34 | eidolarr | they took out the blue |
| 04:05.47 | MoonWitch | it totally freaks me out |
| 04:05.47 | alestane | You're desynced, eidolarr, usually the client will auto-disconnect you after a few minutes. |
| 04:06.02 | MoonWitch | and now I feel like a hotflash thing |
| 04:06.03 | alestane | You just tried this program he talks about, MoonWitch? |
| 04:06.06 | eidolarr | well that was a few hours ago |
| 04:06.08 | MoonWitch | alestane: yes |
| 04:06.31 | eidolarr | how can i control this lack of getting disconnected |
| 04:06.34 | eidolarr | to harness its power |
| 04:06.36 | MoonWitch | and now it's normal again |
| 04:07.04 | eidolarr | oh yeah |
| 04:07.04 | alestane | Well, since you're not supposed to let anyone else log into your account, eidolarr, I don't think there will be any deliberate support for this. |
| 04:07.18 | eidolarr | i guess it won't help that much if you stayed up until 6am and the sun is already coming up |
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| 04:07.48 | MoonWitch | I ... this image thing is freaking |
| 04:07.52 | MoonWitch | freaky* |
| 04:08.29 | alestane | Normally, the client is *supposed* to auto-disconnect you if it goes on too long, so that you don't spend a whole bunch of time trying and failing to play without accomplishing anything permanent. |
| 04:08.58 | eidolarr | yeah it is bewildering at first |
| 04:09.02 | eidolarr | now i feel like a ghost though |
| 04:09.18 | alestane | And its debugging usefulness is limited...lack of server sync means that most events won't fire properly. |
| 04:09.45 | MoonWitch | I want a room full of weird dolls |
| 04:09.49 | eidolarr | oh good point |
| 04:09.59 | alestane | All it really lets you do is waste time, since nothing you do is saved to the server. |
| 04:10.00 | MoonWitch | just to show ppl how strange I am on webcam |
| 04:10.12 | alestane | I'm sure you can arrange that, MoonWitch. |
| 04:10.24 | MoonWitch | alestane: yep I can :) |
| 04:10.28 | eidolarr | yeah if I had been doing anything with events it would have gotten old fast |
| 04:11.05 | Adys | [05:06:31] <eidolarr> how can i control this lack of getting disconnected |
| 04:11.15 | Adys | Just catch some net events before they reach the wow client |
| 04:11.27 | Adys | a simple wireshark inspection will give you what you need |
| 04:11.42 | MoonWitch | ah wireshark, lovely tool of the trade |
| 04:11.47 | eidolarr | so the server tells my client to disconnect? |
| 04:11.54 | MoonWitch | kisses goodbye to coherence |
| 04:12.02 | eidolarr | that's not intuitive given that you probably wouldn't be receiving packets if you were disconnecting |
| 04:12.10 | Adys | no. but it'll help you figure out how to make your client not dc :) |
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| 04:12.30 | alestane | gives MoonWitch a hot toddy, knocks her over the head, and stuffs her into bed. |
| 04:12.32 | Adys | for the record you can easily force this in wine |
| 04:12.34 | eidolarr | you mean feed in fake packets to keep the conn alive? |
| 04:12.38 | eidolarr | yeah I'm in wine |
| 04:13.28 | Adys | eidolarr: it's just a few wininet.dll changes then |
| 04:13.55 | Adys | as i said, wireshark a hard dc and maybe throw in a winedebug=+wininet |
| 04:13.57 | alestane | Oh, and hacking the WoW network is normally a subject we frown upon here...although since you're talking about fooling a disconnected client, rather than a connected server (the usual goal of netstream hacking), I'll leave it up to the admins how bad they think it is. |
| 04:14.19 | Adys | yeah I'll shut up, it's way off channel |
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| 04:14.44 | eidolarr | oh damn, my next question is "how do you write keyloggers and bomb datacenters" |
| 04:15.01 | MoonWitch | eidolarr: that's in the haxxoring channel |
| 04:15.02 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 04:15.03 | Adys | in c++ and using explosive materials |
| 04:15.34 | eidolarr | explosive materials... written in c++? |
| 04:15.46 | MoonWitch | no, C++ for the keylogger |
| 04:15.47 | Adys | Why the hell not? |
| 04:16.00 | MoonWitch | and explosive materials for the bombing of DC |
| 04:16.04 | MoonWitch | datacenters |
| 04:16.10 | Adys | gravity was written in python |
| 04:16.11 | Adys | so |
| 04:16.13 | MoonWitch | god that was a bad bad abrev |
| 04:16.29 | Adys | MoonWitch: nice job, now we're on the fbi watchlist |
| 04:16.34 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 04:16.36 | Adys | way to ruin it for all of us |
| 04:16.43 | MoonWitch | *sigh* I was just off that damned list |
| 04:19.55 | Tepetkhet | Oh crud |
| 04:19.58 | Tepetkhet | I messed up. |
| 04:20.19 | alestane | That happens a lot when one programs. |
| 04:20.38 | alestane | To the best of us, I'm afraid. All you can do is roll with it. |
| 04:20.50 | Adys | Hit & Roll |
| 04:22.00 | Tepetkhet | I overwrote a backup. |
| 04:22.17 | Dagmar | Depends on which backup |
| 04:22.23 | eidolarr | are you using svn or git or hg? |
| 04:22.26 | Tepetkhet | no |
| 04:22.33 | Tepetkhet | I'm using uhhh...notepad++ |
| 04:22.34 | eidolarr | i would argue that is the greater mistake |
| 04:22.45 | Adys | Backup the overwrite, maybe karma will come back one day |
| 04:23.03 | eidolarr | you should learn one of those, they're awesome, like code savegames |
| 04:23.14 | Tepetkhet | oh |
| 04:23.41 | eidolarr | but this time your only option is hari kiri |
| 04:23.43 | Tepetkhet | OH! Here it is! :D |
| 04:23.46 | Tepetkhet | I found it! |
| 04:23.46 | Dagmar | Tepetkhet: This may sound overkill, but if you've got at least 2Gb of RAM and about 8-16Gb of disk space you can blow on it, you *might* wanna try running Ubuntu or something in a VirtualBox VM |
| 04:24.22 | Tepetkhet | Hm, well, I COULD get my Linux box out of storage...just for programming...haha |
| 04:24.35 | Dagmar | VirtualBox makes running a VM _stupidly_ easy |
| 04:24.57 | Dagmar | LIke, if you have enough sense to know how to install something from a CDROM you can deal with VirtualBox |
| 04:25.37 | Dagmar | It walks you through telling it where the ISO you want it to pretend is in your fake optical drive, and how large of a fake disk you want it to have |
| 04:25.57 | Dagmar | ...and at that point all that's left is a shiny button to click that says "Boot fake hardware" |
| 04:27.02 | Dagmar | For extra geekyness you're totally allowed to make your fake disk reside on a truecrypt volume |
| 04:28.12 | Dagmar | Then you can use Vim or Eclipse or whatever editor you like, and not have to go digging for new command line tools to say, blindly grep a pile of directories and so on |
| 04:28.32 | Tepetkhet | Yeah, I had to DL PowerGrep. |
| 04:28.38 | Tepetkhet | I missed grep a lot. |
| 04:28.52 | Tepetkhet | And vi. |
| 04:28.58 | Tepetkhet | >_> |
| 04:29.11 | Tepetkhet | Notepad++ seems nice enough, though. |
| 04:29.20 | Amarande | wow, LK normal instances can be fun ... especially when you get to tank them in DPS gear and using mostly your DPS rotation. heh. |
| 04:29.29 | Dagmar | Yeah previous I was dealing with Cygwin/X for that sort of thing, but you can be done with VirtualBox before Cygwin can even find it's ass with both hands |
| 04:30.08 | Amarande | and eidolarr, it's "hara kiri" ... although apparently I'm like the ONLY one who ever spells it right :P |
| 04:30.14 | Amarande | save yourself some trouble and just say "seppuku" |
| 04:30.21 | Tepetkhet | nods. |
| 04:30.37 | Amarande | actually, IS there any actual difference in procedure between seppuku and hara-kiri :P |
| 04:30.46 | Dagmar | "emo EXTREME" |
| 04:31.00 | alestane | They're the same thing, Amarande. |
| 04:31.10 | Tepetkhet | If I can't figure out how to anchor this bar on the right, maybe I'll just set it so it starts on the right and is movable and lockable / unlockable. |
| 04:31.16 | Tepetkhet | Maybe that will solve that problem. |
| 04:31.22 | alestane | In fact, they're written with the same pair of characters in reverse order. |
| 04:31.27 | Dagmar | One is a form of the other |
| 04:31.31 | alestane | "cut" and "belly". |
| 04:31.45 | alestane | One's a vulgarism of the other. |
| 04:32.14 | Dagmar | afaik seppuku is suicide, and hara kiri is specifically self-disembowelment |
| 04:32.46 | alestane | There's another word that generally means self-murder. |
| 04:33.10 | Dagmar | Just so long as they keep them _short_ (unlike the Germans) |
| 04:33.16 | alestane | It's like the difference between abdominal extraction and belly-gouging...just a question of how fancy you want to sound. |
| 04:34.28 | MoonWitch | nite nite folks |
| 04:36.35 | alestane | The general term for suicide is 自殺 (jisatsu), lit. "self-killing". |
| 04:36.53 | Tepetkhet | Hm, this is going to be hard to draw, but... if I want to make a container that's anchored on the right hand side of the screen and has buttons in it and is collapsible...would I set up the containers like this? [[ ]][] |
| 04:36.54 | Thunder_Child | + pound of salt |
| 04:37.24 | Tepetkhet | Where [] is the "anchor" it collapses down to? |
| 04:37.24 | eidolarr | Tepetkhet: what |
| 04:38.02 | eidolarr | i think you're gonna have to try again on that one |
| 04:38.39 | Tepetkhet | Okay, so I have a button. It's [ ]. The anchor is [] |
| 04:38.56 | Tepetkhet | And then I have a container around the button so it looks prettier. |
| 04:39.15 | Tepetkhet | So the container around the button is [[ ]] |
| 04:39.41 | eidolarr | with you so far |
| 04:40.09 | Tepetkhet | There's a way I can attach the container and the button to the anchor so it's like [[ ]][] I think? |
| 04:40.30 | eidolarr | You should attach the container to the button and the button to the anchor |
| 04:40.48 | eidolarr | with a grain of salt since I don't know the details |
| 04:40.57 | Tepetkhet | The devil's in the details. |
| 04:42.13 | Tepetkhet | I tried expanding the button's container and using that to drag it around. |
| 04:42.28 | Tepetkhet | But then I can't collapse it and still have something visible. |
| 04:43.02 | eidolarr | I think you are doing the right thing |
| 04:43.22 | Tepetkhet | Hm, LuckyCharms does something kind of like that, actually. |
| 04:43.34 | Tepetkhet | They have that annoying anchor that's always there. |
| 04:43.40 | Tepetkhet | (well, I think you can hide it, too) |
| 04:44.26 | Shirik | Adys |
| 04:44.41 | Shirik | j'ai vu ta mère sur chatroulette |
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| 04:44.56 | Adys | ma mere doesn't have le net |
| 04:45.02 | Tepetkhet | o_O |
| 04:45.09 | Tepetkhet | That's nasty. |
| 04:45.26 | Tepetkhet | Chat Roulette |
| 04:45.38 | Tepetkhet | Wait, if it's french, maybe he means...CAT ROULETTE! |
| 04:46.02 | Tepetkhet | You trying to say his mother's a crazy cat lady? |
| 04:51.59 | alestane | tucks Cairenn|afk in and reads her a story. |
| 04:54.13 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:54.20 | Wobin | default healing raid ui eh? |
| 04:54.26 | Wobin | have they build Clique into things yet? |
| 04:54.48 | Shirik | !! |
| 04:54.51 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk is going to sleep? |
| 05:00.04 | Shirik | Wobin |
| 05:00.07 | Shirik | play SC with me |
| 05:00.12 | Shirik | Esamynn|Away is a meaniepants and won't |
| 05:00.14 | Wobin | Nyet |
| 05:00.19 | Wobin | I hate RTS |
| 05:00.25 | Shirik | blasphemy! |
| 05:00.48 | Wobin | I deny you, and your Real Time Gods |
| 05:03.42 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:05.36 | Tepetkhet | sighs. |
| 05:05.47 | Tepetkhet | I can't seem to get the second button to attach. |
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| 05:06.34 | Wobin | did you try library paste? |
| 05:06.41 | Tepetkhet | No... |
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| 05:13.43 | alestane | Now I go to bed also. |
| 05:14.02 | Tepetkhet | I am not sure why it's not working. |
| 05:14.11 | Tepetkhet | I'm sure it's something very basic and stupid. |
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| 05:23.37 | Tepetkhet | YES!!! |
| 05:23.40 | Tepetkhet | It WAS! |
| 05:23.47 | Tepetkhet | does a happy dance! |
| 05:24.03 | Tepetkhet | It's showing up now. |
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| 05:36.43 | Tepetkhet | Hm, I am trying to anchor it to the left of the parent, but I can't seem to get it to line up right without a ton of offsetting. |
| 05:37.00 | Tepetkhet | I did Anchor point="LEFT" relativeTo="TepAnchor" |
| 05:37.47 | Tepetkhet | It looks like there's a RelativePoint tag I can use with Anchor. |
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| 06:02.11 | Tepetkhet | That works a little better. |
| 06:04.00 | Tepetkhet | Okay, I made progress! I now have a button that collapses. :D |
| 06:04.15 | Tepetkhet | Now I need to make it a toggle instead of a "close". |
| 06:04.22 | Tepetkhet | But I think I will work on that tomorrow. |
| 06:04.45 | Tepetkhet | Thanks for your help and tips. Night night. |
| 06:05.21 | Kraps | defense grid is hard |
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| 06:26.25 | mikma | now thats lovely, i can link something that goes beyond nsfw and they still show it in finnish tv |
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| 06:29.14 | Shirik | http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.php |
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| 06:58.40 | Wobin | hehe http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6g2qcu27I1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg |
| 06:58.48 | Wobin | congrats on your marriage, Lisa! |
| 06:59.58 | Kraps | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/demotivational-posters-nerds.jpg |
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| 07:00.36 | Arrowmaster | but ctrl-z is background not undo |
| 07:01.12 | Kraps | gives Arrowmaster some durr |
| 07:01.29 | Arrowmaster | s/background/suspend/ |
| 07:01.39 | Wobin | am I missing something with suspending cars? |
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| 07:03.17 | Kraps | how can i tell how long the SC2 downloader REALLY has? |
| 07:05.49 | Wobin | deathclock.com? |
| 07:06.36 | Kraps | yeah no |
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| 07:10.29 | mikma_ | well woot, Monday, October 28, 2052 |
| 07:10.34 | mikma_ | i still got some time |
| 07:12.23 | mikma | wobin: nsfw, obviously, http://bleacherreport.com/articles/386180-the-20-most-boobtastic-athletes-of-all-time |
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| 07:27.09 | Arrowmaster | USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND |
| 07:27.10 | Arrowmaster | arrow 3017 0.3 1.9 53948060 121076 ? S Jul27 21:13 pidgin |
| 07:27.40 | Arrowmaster | 51.4G for VIRT in htop really stood out |
| 07:29.05 | mikma | http://kotaku.com/5597519/my-little-pony-backstabbing-ponies |
| 07:33.31 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avU5onrWfYo&fmt=22 |
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| 07:46.04 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 07:49.21 | Fisker | i thought i could trust you Arrowmaster |
| 07:49.43 | Arrowmaster | nope |
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| 10:04.25 | Torhal | Cairenn|afk, Shirik, Shadowed: Spammage on forums. |
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| 10:10.33 | Shadowed | ack |
| 10:10.34 | Shadowed | sec |
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| 10:13.14 | Shadowed | heh |
| 10:13.17 | Shadowed | 14 emails for two topics :< |
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| 10:42.03 | mikma | lolpwned |
| 10:42.10 | mikma | do your job, admin! muahahaha |
| 10:44.10 | cbreak | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFMTV63DhQU were computer games really that way back in the day? |
| 10:51.22 | haste | cbreak: look aroud you was satarical |
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| 11:14.43 | krka | any python lovers here? i think the scoping rules for python sucks compared to lua: http://pastey.net/139137 |
| 11:15.38 | mikma | i think pythons look great as belts or boots |
| 11:16.06 | Xyphoid | i'm such a sc2 noob |
| 11:16.07 | Xyphoid | my first mp game and i couldn't figure out how to build a factory despite owning the entire map, so couldn't get his barracks on a cliff |
| 11:17.15 | cbreak | Xyphoid: start with the campain |
| 11:17.43 | mikma | good thing i hate games like that |
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| 11:35.31 | Zyn | this must be Fisker playing : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CatSUg0KyAM |
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| 11:45.02 | Fisker | hey Zyn |
| 11:45.11 | Fisker | just a comment on that |
| 11:45.13 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/1NFGo.jpg |
| 11:45.28 | Zyn | I don't give a shit |
| 11:45.29 | Fisker | You require a Starcraft 2 PLATINUM badge to address me in the future |
| 11:45.31 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 11:45.36 | Zyn | nope.avi |
| 11:45.49 | Fisker | ohyeah.mng |
| 11:45.52 | Zyn | I deserve my own league ... uuuh, what's lower than bronze? |
| 11:46.00 | Fisker | practice league :P |
| 11:46.06 | Zyn | below that |
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| 11:46.27 | DJJeff | I need serious help |
| 11:46.37 | DJJeff | can someone please tell me what todo about this |
| 11:46.39 | DJJeff | http://imgur.com/K8XZd.jpg |
| 11:46.40 | Zyn | oh, I'm @ Trapped Against Easy A.I. Forever League |
| 11:47.07 | DJJeff | look @ Woolygoliath and hammertime's comments |
| 11:47.41 | DJJeff | actually all of these guys are pretty nasty |
| 11:47.50 | DJJeff | Gtone is female too |
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| 11:48.45 | nevcairiel | right click, report spam? :d |
| 11:49.06 | nevcairiel | or directly a GM ticket |
| 11:49.34 | mikma | djjeff: stop crying and act like a man? |
| 11:49.54 | DJJeff | but why are they acting like this? |
| 11:49.55 | nevcairiel | just write a GM ticket, they have chat logs |
| 11:50.04 | DJJeff | this is just sick......... |
| 11:50.05 | nevcairiel | because they are pricks? =) |
| 11:51.11 | mikma | usually people talk shit if you are nasty towards them, rape little boys or spread aids..? |
| 11:52.06 | DJJeff | lol |
| 11:52.32 | DJJeff | im keeping quiet during most of this trade talk |
| 11:52.36 | mikma | get the time and report all of the names |
| 11:52.48 | mikma | atleast write them down and talk with gm |
| 11:53.05 | DJJeff | http://imgur.com/K8XZd.jpg - has a timestamp and date :) |
| 11:53.09 | mikma | well you have pissed them off with some reason |
| 11:53.13 | nevcairiel | You must've said something to get them started |
| 11:53.36 | DJJeff | oh wait.... the date is missing from SS |
| 11:53.48 | Fisker | you know what sucks btw? |
| 11:53.57 | mikma | fisker does |
| 11:53.57 | nevcairiel | Just write a ticket now, and they'll deal with it |
| 11:53.58 | Fisker | having the place your zealots spawn filled with cannons |
| 11:53.59 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/NFr4h.jpg |
| 11:54.00 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 11:54.32 | nevcairiel | stupid idea . .but .. move the spawn? =P |
| 11:54.49 | Fisker | it was a dick move |
| 11:54.52 | Fisker | but it got me platinum |
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| 11:58.37 | DJJeff | how is starcraft 2? |
| 11:58.42 | DJJeff | soundtrack is nice |
| 12:00.06 | Zyn | its good until you go online |
| 12:01.53 | DJJeff | hahahahaha nice |
| 12:03.56 | foxlit | FISKER: WHO IS WHO? |
| 12:03.57 | Zyn | the map publishing system is nice though; you can grab tower defense maps and other things in an instant ingame |
| 12:04.10 | foxlit | Hm, caps lock. |
| 12:04.17 | Fisker | foxlit i'm the guy winning |
| 12:04.21 | Fisker | or i'm the protoss |
| 12:04.32 | Fisker | and i'm fucking platinum |
| 12:04.36 | Fisker | *flex* |
| 12:04.47 | foxlit | Platinum is the new bronze, haven't you heard? |
| 12:04.50 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 12:04.53 | Fisker | Don't worry |
| 12:04.56 | foxlit | All the cool trolls are in diamond :) |
| 12:05.09 | Fisker | as soon as i get matched with someone in platinum i'll get raped down into bronze or something |
| 12:05.14 | Fisker | I'm just a proxy jerk |
| 12:05.25 | Fisker | all 5 placement matches were won on proxies :D |
| 12:05.35 | Fisker | this is the only one where he actually had a decent defense |
| 12:05.43 | Fisker | but he's gold so that's to be expected |
| 12:05.50 | foxlit | It's kind of bad, tbh |
| 12:06.00 | foxlit | Three gateways, and not scouting your cannons? |
| 12:07.15 | Fisker | He already discovered me by then |
| 12:07.32 | foxlit | Still, seems like the proper response is robotics bay -> immortal. |
| 12:07.44 | Fisker | maybe |
| 12:07.57 | Fisker | i was wondering why he didn't pop a forge and a couple of cannons |
| 12:08.25 | Fisker | i couldn't have penetrated then |
| 12:08.25 | Fisker | then he could just have teched up nice and quietly to something better |
| 12:10.28 | Zyn | do like me : pray and hope the enemys computer freezes or something similar |
| 12:12.22 | foxlit | On the bright side, they made playing when your ally drops out easier |
| 12:12.39 | foxlit | You now share one, completely visible, resource pool. |
| 12:12.56 | foxlit | Still can't see the ally's supply limit, but that's minor compared to the horror it was in beta. |
| 12:17.07 | Fisker | http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A0CB1DL2 if you want to see how it went down btw |
| 12:17.14 | Fisker | btw |
| 12:17.30 | Fisker | Will teamplay matchups look at my 1v1? |
| 12:17.45 | Fisker | might not want to be thrown into the fray with 3 platinum players right now :P |
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| 12:18.55 | Zyn | aren't teamplay and 1v1 separated? :< |
| 12:21.56 | mikma | imho. leonardo davinci acting was awesome in Inception |
| 12:22.12 | Zyn | being dead and all |
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| 12:25.56 | DJJeff | WIM addon should show the date along the top in my opionion |
| 12:26.15 | DJJeff | so when I take screenshots I can see date and timestamp |
| 12:27.04 | Maldivia | the screenshots filename has that :P |
| 12:32.34 | DJJeff | the original maybe |
| 12:32.43 | DJJeff | changes when I upload to imgur |
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| 12:34.24 | Maldivia | true - but then there's always the calendar icon that shows the day of month |
| 12:36.15 | Fisker | oh my |
| 12:36.17 | Fisker | i did decent micro |
| 12:36.21 | Fisker | i'm so proud |
| 12:36.46 | Fisker | got rushed with like 20 zerglings |
| 12:37.01 | Fisker | and i had my probe put down a pylon just as my zealots got through |
| 12:37.11 | Fisker | and then my 1 zealot and stalker killed them all :P |
| 12:37.19 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 12:37.38 | Fisker | then i attack moved 8 void rays into the zerg base |
| 12:37.40 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 12:38.29 | Fisker | btw |
| 12:38.41 | Fisker | is it normal for a zerg to place a hatchery in his own base instead of at the expansion |
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| 12:44.57 | foxlit | It depends. |
| 12:45.51 | foxlit | Sometimes you just want more larva, and defending your expansion is more difficult than your main base. |
| 12:46.23 | Fisker | guess that's true when the only thing you got left is 3 mutas :D |
| 12:52.40 | Xinhuan | quite normal in sc1 to put a hatch in your own base |
| 12:53.01 | Xinhuan | but not very common in sc2 due to queens |
| 12:55.19 | Fisker | yeah that was why i was wondering a bit |
| 12:57.28 | Kalroth | gives Fisker more larva. |
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| 13:03.42 | Fisker | nice |
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| 13:14.59 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
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| 13:16.46 | Kraps | reads in Fisker's general direction |
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| 13:22.36 | Wobin | holy crap |
| 13:22.38 | Wobin | pomparkour? |
| 13:22.44 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0J1wsfRw8 |
| 13:24.35 | mikma | lol |
| 13:24.36 | mikma | that's neat |
| 13:28.18 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 13:28.42 | Wobin | hey Fisker |
| 13:29.49 | Fisker | i bit myself :( |
| 13:31.19 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGkRaakjUjw |
| 13:33.08 | foxlit | There's this awesome string segment of the wings of liberty theme -- 5:40 to 6:05 or so, but I can't find it in another track :( |
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| 13:50.01 | mikma | Anyone here put up the dev-guild in eu beta yet? |
| 13:50.10 | mikma | ally eu beta... |
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| 13:52.38 | nevcairiel | put up? |
| 13:53.54 | mikma | yes, i'm sick and tired of trying to do it |
| 13:54.10 | mikma | no-one is interested of logging in and giving signatures in the charter |
| 13:54.13 | nevcairiel | what happend to the old one? |
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| 13:54.20 | mikma | blizz disbanded all guilds |
| 13:55.16 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 13:55.16 | Fisker | i could login |
| 13:55.32 | airtonix | wut |
| 13:55.33 | mikma | that leaves 2 more signatures |
| 13:55.39 | nevcairiel | i can too |
| 13:55.51 | mikma | i'll log my dk and try again |
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| 13:56.18 | mikma | he's logged in at .. maelstrom hah |
| 13:56.50 | mikma | well, atleast i can get into stormwind |
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| 13:56.59 | Fisker | oh infact i can't |
| 13:57.02 | Fisker | since i made a gnome |
| 13:57.02 | nevcairiel | i'm in elwynn, what a nice coincendence :p |
| 13:57.16 | mikma | fisker: create a human |
| 13:57.17 | Fisker | could make a human though |
| 13:57.39 | nevcairiel | hm, did they improve the weather effects? |
| 13:57.41 | mikma | you can log gnomes int oo |
| 13:57.43 | mikma | in too |
| 13:57.49 | mikma | you just have to modify the config.wtg |
| 13:57.51 | mikma | wtf* |
| 13:58.09 | mikma | SET lastCharacterIndex "0" <- first slot, second is 1, third is 2 ... |
| 13:58.09 | mikma | etc |
| 13:58.21 | Fisker | where are you? |
| 13:58.26 | mikma | then just press enter when you get inthe login menu, don't try to change the character ^^ |
| 13:58.30 | mikma | i'm coming in SW soon |
| 13:58.52 | nevcairiel | hey sw got a new zone map |
| 13:58.57 | Fisker | aww man |
| 13:58.59 | Fisker | then i has to run |
| 13:59.16 | nevcairiel | has the new areas now |
| 13:59.28 | mikma | now i'm almost at human starting area |
| 13:59.39 | mikma | so everyone here with beta access, come and sign the charter |
| 14:00.16 | Fisker | almost dead omg |
| 14:00.20 | Fisker | lol. |
| 14:00.20 | mikma | this is the normal way |
| 14:00.24 | Maldivia | mikma: which realm? |
| 14:00.29 | mikma | maldivia: Mekkatorque |
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| 14:00.48 | mikma | maldivia: you can log in eu servers, too :) |
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| 14:01.11 | Maldivia | which area? |
| 14:01.40 | mikma | human starting area |
| 14:01.50 | Maldivia | hehe, ok - I was in Dalaran :P |
| 14:04.27 | mikma | 1 more signature! |
| 14:04.28 | mikma | who's up for it? |
| 14:06.32 | Zyn | alright alright I'll log |
| 14:07.04 | mikma | there we go |
| 14:07.08 | mikma | already created ^^ |
| 14:07.13 | mikma | but i can throw invites now |
| 14:08.39 | mikma | nevcairiel, zyn and maldivia can now also invite ^^ |
| 14:10.04 | Fisker | but not me noooooo |
| 14:10.20 | mikma | well enter the guild with a proper character ^^ |
| 14:10.22 | Fisker | :D |
| 14:10.38 | mikma | did they enlarge the model of Bruntroll? |
| 14:10.42 | mikma | +tpyo |
| 14:10.58 | Fisker | i hope they completely redid shadowmourne |
| 14:12.14 | airtonix | Fisker, y so srs ? |
| 14:13.06 | Fisker | platinum leaguers are allowed to be srs airtonix |
| 14:13.11 | Fisker | *flex* |
| 14:13.34 | airtonix | you mean you're a capitalist pig ? |
| 14:13.43 | airtonix | a mere consumer ? |
| 14:13.57 | airtonix | that's a long fall from being a troll |
| 14:14.25 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/1NFGo.jpg |
| 14:14.28 | Fisker | this is what i mean |
| 14:14.32 | airtonix | i refuse |
| 14:14.42 | airtonix | to be subjected |
| 14:14.53 | airtonix | to your jingoism |
| 14:15.38 | airtonix | Fisker, well done! |
| 14:15.44 | airtonix | you killed some pixels |
| 14:16.22 | Fisker | pixels commanded by other people airtonix |
| 14:16.24 | airtonix | sends Fisker some cookies via FedEx. |
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| 14:30.00 | Zyn | poff |
| 14:30.04 | Zyn | goes the world server |
| 14:30.06 | haste | swoosh |
| 14:31.13 | haste | I bet it was Thrall's balls that managed to clog the server |
| 14:31.28 | Cairenn|afk | o.O |
| 14:32.06 | haste | there's a npc that yells: Thrall's balls! They're everywhere... during a quest |
| 14:32.27 | Cairenn|afk | ah |
| 14:32.54 | haste | apparantly back up now >:3 |
| 14:33.27 | Fisker | poof goes haste |
| 14:36.26 | haste | not exactly |
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| 14:42.52 | Fisker | poof i said |
| 14:43.30 | Stanzilla | after a reinstall my beta client decided to be enGb instead of enUS, happy patch downloading :/ |
| 14:43.38 | Fisker | owned |
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| 14:55.04 | mikma | now that's supercool |
| 14:55.12 | mikma | i got stuck on a drake when i failed a quest |
| 14:59.27 | Kraps | plants vs zombies is meh |
| 14:59.49 | foxlit | Kraps: meh? |
| 15:00.08 | Kraps | defense grid is more my speed |
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| 15:05.46 | Fisker | baw |
| 15:06.12 | Fisker | looks like Apple were forced to remove their BS claims about their comptitors from the site as well :3 |
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| 15:13.18 | mikma | hah |
| 15:13.22 | mikma | link or it didn't happen |
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| 15:25.42 | Fisker | http://www.apple.com/antenna/ |
| 15:26.32 | Fisker | In other news the iphone 4 has perfect reception if you're right handed or your left hand is made out of pvc tubing |
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| 15:29.09 | Maldivia | lol - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGr2uDHAkmI#t=5m52s |
| 15:32.02 | Wobin | ahaha I <3 NPH |
| 15:33.06 | Adys | Maldivia: neat, youtube's html5 player supports #t keys now |
| 15:33.21 | Adys | i say that because it sucks so hard, it's good to know once in a while they improve it |
| 15:34.35 | Maldivia | :) |
| 15:51.21 | Legorol | i'm not sure what message to take away from http://www.apple.com/antenna/... to me it sounds like "we've invested billions of dollars into testing a product, but we forgot about lefthanded people" |
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| 15:55.55 | Maldivia | Legorol: well, guess that rules out venstrehåndsarbejde :P |
| 15:58.59 | Maldivia | ("venstrehåndsarbejde" directly translates to "left-handed work", which in Danish means something equivalent to hackwork) |
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| 16:04.12 | Kraps | Fisker: make my SC2 download faster |
| 16:04.43 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: mine was 40 hours? how long is yours? |
| 16:04.55 | Thunder_Child | s/?// |
| 16:05.48 | Maldivia | uhh... measuring contest... ;) |
| 16:06.13 | Kraps | it fluctuates between 72 and 30, 2.64gb already done |
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| 16:07.35 | Kraps | Maldivia: i'll show you mine if you show me yours |
| 16:11.23 | alestane | Is there a more concise syntax in Python for comprehensions that filter only without operating? Just [x in iterable if expr(x)] or something of the kind? Or is that what filter() is for? |
| 16:11.46 | Fisker | puts on his alestane face |
| 16:12.00 | Shirik | what is the purpose of that page Fisker |
| 16:12.12 | Shirik | apple saying "look at our awesome testing" |
| 16:12.17 | Shirik | yet they still fucked up? |
| 16:13.19 | Fisker | Shirik the purpose is that a few days ago it said "Fuck you, everyone else have issues" |
| 16:13.34 | Fisker | but since they were shoveling record breaking amounts of shit in the process they apparently backed down today |
| 16:13.35 | Kalroth | why so emo fisker |
| 16:14.07 | Fisker | <This messages requires a 1v1 PLATINUM badge to view> |
| 16:14.21 | Kalroth | you're cheating Fisker |
| 16:14.25 | Kalroth | like this guy: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/791268/1/Ownage/ladder/1878/ |
| 16:14.33 | Fisker | nope |
| 16:14.37 | Kalroth | yes |
| 16:14.52 | Fisker | no |
| 16:14.55 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:14.55 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/1NFGo.jpg |
| 16:14.57 | Fisker | check this out |
| 16:15.15 | Kalroth | qualified for ACTION |
| 16:15.21 | Fisker | yeah |
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| 16:17.06 | Shirik | congratulations Fisker |
| 16:17.14 | Shirik | you might be able to at least put up a fight against me |
| 16:17.19 | Shirik | and not completely suck |
| 16:18.29 | Fisker | i'm a jerk |
| 16:18.45 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/NFr4h.jpg <- |
| 16:19.09 | Shirik | seen it done before :) |
| 16:19.34 | Fisker | had he put down some cannons behind those gateways it would've been a stalemate |
| 16:19.48 | Shirik | naw |
| 16:20.03 | Shirik | you could take out those gateways first |
| 16:20.08 | Shirik | just get some stalkers |
| 16:20.10 | Fisker | not if my units dies |
| 16:20.22 | Fisker | didn't have cybernetics or gas |
| 16:20.50 | Fisker | And i was lucky to get cannons :P |
| 16:21.10 | Fisker | figured i would put down a forge in case i were discovered |
| 16:21.45 | Fisker | probably gonna get violated in platinum thogh |
| 16:21.47 | Fisker | though* |
| 16:21.58 | Thunder_Child | ~logs |
| 16:21.59 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
| 16:24.56 | Shirik | Kraps: I just did my first huggle block |
| 16:24.58 | Shirik | it was weird |
| 16:25.10 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.14 | Kraps | why? |
| 16:25.32 | Fisker | i'm listening to happy music |
| 16:25.40 | Bruners | sure |
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| 16:34.06 | alestane | Hard to argue with this logic: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19194.html |
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| 17:11.29 | Kraps | lol ipistol in sc2? |
| 17:11.53 | Fisker | old |
| 17:12.09 | Fisker | it kills something entirely different if you hold it with your left hand |
| 17:12.22 | Fisker | Gnarfoz i am awesome |
| 17:12.30 | Kraps | depends how you hold it |
| 17:13.04 | Fisker | exactly |
| 17:13.30 | Kraps | 39% :( |
| 17:27.17 | Shirik | :< |
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| 17:27.24 | Shirik | I just showed up in my own abuse reports |
| 17:27.57 | Thrae | Masochist! |
| 17:29.47 | Shirik | + There is a law that the dmv has it is called the construction law which allows the dmv to get drivers of the road if a certain city is doing construction in states like nevada California Illinois etc drives license wil be revoked if sent a email of letter and if get caught driving could spent up to 9 months in jail or pay twenty thousand five so please do not get caught driving you will be sent to jail 6 thousan |
| 17:30.06 | Shirik | my head asploded |
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| 17:33.25 | airtonix | wut ? |
| 17:33.36 | airtonix | you have your head up your arse ? |
| 17:33.56 | airtonix | you must be quite flexible |
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| 17:54.15 | mikma | oh noob. leveling two characters to lvl83 and now i have nothing to do |
| 17:54.23 | mikma | rogue was actually pretty awesome to level |
| 17:54.37 | mikma | only times i died was the times i forgot that you simply can't logout while mounted |
| 17:54.52 | cbreak | why? |
| 17:55.26 | Trela | You can log out while mounted. o.o |
| 17:55.27 | cloudwolf | lol mikma i don't have any of my new abilites on my rogue |
| 17:55.30 | cloudwolf | cus i dont want to drop a profession D: |
| 17:55.38 | Trela | Shirik: What the hell is that paragraph? |
| 17:55.40 | mikma | cloudwolf: heh, i dropped mining |
| 17:55.42 | cloudwolf | trela mikma means flyying mount |
| 17:55.55 | Trela | You can log out on your flying mount. o.o; |
| 17:55.55 | Shirik | Trela: Something someone posted to WP |
| 17:55.56 | cloudwolf | i did that logged back in fell and took about 12k dmg |
| 17:56.09 | mikma | trela: no, you can't logout on flying mount |
| 17:56.12 | cloudwolf | Also random dismounts when flying around suck |
| 17:56.18 | mikma | trela: you will fall down from the skies at the login |
| 17:56.25 | ^RaK^ | yeh i did that :( |
| 17:56.26 | cbreak | just make sure you're over water or near ground |
| 17:56.31 | mikma | cloudwolf: oh, that was also a reason why i dead two times in hyjal |
| 17:56.51 | mikma | cloudwolf: the firey-place there has weird mid-air clitches that dismount you |
| 17:57.44 | cloudwolf | yeah that place |
| 17:58.00 | cloudwolf | with the uhm twilight hunters. and some snake dudes |
| 17:58.05 | Trela | Okay, you should not be dismounted. :P |
| 17:58.23 | mikma | we know, right, but, we still do get dismounted when we login |
| 17:58.24 | foxlit | I wonder, if you sign into SC2, do you get kicked from wow? |
| 17:58.34 | cloudwolf | trela its just a beta glitch |
| 17:58.41 | mikma | so, if you logout while using flying mount high in the air, you will fall down and die. horribly. |
| 17:58.45 | cloudwolf | worth a try? also i would hurt them if i did |
| 17:59.05 | cloudwolf | mikma i can't play my rogue gota glitch to logon to her. damn gnome glitches! |
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| 17:59.34 | mikma | cloudwolf: what's the slot she's in? |
| 18:00.10 | mikma | cloudwolf: in the character select menu, what slot? |
| 18:00.17 | cloudwolf | first |
| 18:00.21 | cloudwolf | i heard about creating a new toon on an alt server |
| 18:00.25 | mikma | ok, add this in config.wtf |
| 18:00.28 | cloudwolf | selecting changing server and then logging in |
| 18:00.28 | mikma | SET lastCharacterIndex "0" |
| 18:00.34 | mikma | and voilá! |
| 18:00.45 | mikma | then just press enter when you get the error :D |
| 18:00.47 | mikma | that's how i do it |
| 18:02.12 | cloudwolf | D: i can't get onto my servor |
| 18:02.22 | cloudwolf | oh the horrid horrid login server |
| 18:02.24 | mikma | aww poop! |
| 18:02.25 | cloudwolf | heh |
| 18:03.55 | Kraps | how bad am i that i cant beat this mission in CoH? |
| 18:04.16 | Kraps | i'm at about 3 or 4 attempts |
| 18:06.59 | olafski | is CoH company of heroes? |
| 18:07.08 | Kraps | yes |
| 18:07.20 | olafski | is it the mission where you have to defend a hill from some attackers from all sides? |
| 18:07.23 | airtonix | something something something |
| 18:07.55 | Kraps | the no, i have to rescue dog company or something |
| 18:08.00 | olafski | oh |
| 18:08.09 | olafski | I quit playing CoH due to that mission ;p |
| 18:08.53 | Kraps | i have the expansions so i could still play but man... |
| 18:09.03 | mikma | cloudwolf: http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_080110_210829.jpg |
| 18:09.10 | olafski | can't you just skip the mission? |
| 18:09.17 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 18:09.31 | Kraps | the resource system is so restrictive |
| 18:09.41 | Kraps | idk can you? |
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| 18:09.59 | cloudwolf | lol 51k hp jesus christ blizzard |
| 18:10.11 | olafski | well I'm sure there are some cheats kraps ;) |
| 18:10.29 | Kraps | hmm... |
| 18:10.47 | olafski | the resource system is indeed kinda weird |
| 18:11.17 | cloudwolf | i love how you have to build buildings to get vespine gass... it makes me sad lol |
| 18:11.58 | olafski | is that different than in SC1? |
| 18:12.38 | A-KO | http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Latin_Vulgar/Texts/Pompeii_Graffiti.html < lol |
| 18:12.39 | cloudwolf | dont think so :D imjust used to rts games like wc3 and others where your town hall can accept all resources |
| 18:13.17 | Xinhuan | the town hall CAN accept vespene gas ;p |
| 18:13.37 | Xinhuan | you just can't harvest any until you build a collector over the gas lol |
| 18:14.40 | olafski | lucrum gaudium |
| 18:14.42 | olafski | should remember that |
| 18:15.36 | A-KO | lol olafski |
| 18:15.40 | A-KO | some of those are hilarious |
| 18:15.47 | A-KO | Myrtis bene felas. |
| 18:15.47 | A-KO | Myrtis, you do great blow jobs. |
| 18:15.54 | olafski | :) |
| 18:16.06 | olafski | saw some of that stuff in Rome (the tv show, not the city) |
| 18:16.12 | A-KO | Digg Comment |
| 18:16.13 | A-KO | You know, not everyone's sluttiness echoes for millenia after your final knob gobbling. Mad props to Myrtis. |
| 18:16.18 | A-KO | lol |
| 18:16.23 | olafski | yep that is impressive |
| 18:16.38 | olafski | though I imagine digital porn nowadays will be kept for quite a while too |
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| 18:16.43 | A-KO | possibly |
| 18:16.57 | A-KO | granted, we have yet to really find a permanent medium for our data storage :P |
| 18:17.23 | olafski | the internet will do quite an ok job I think |
| 18:17.35 | A-KO | damn |
| 18:17.40 | A-KO | this makes me want to go to Pompeii now |
| 18:17.51 | A-KO | totally want to see this stuff |
| 18:17.52 | A-KO | history nerd |
| 18:18.14 | olafski | some of it will be lost but I think in a few thousand years people will still be able to see some of the movies made today |
| 18:18.21 | olafski | heh I'm not at all :< |
| 18:18.56 | A-KO | I'm not in the sense that I know this or that about history, but I love looking at historical artifacts/etc.....I live not too far from the Smithsonian :P |
| 18:19.45 | olafski | heh anything more than 10 years old is generally "ancient" to me and not worth my time ;p |
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| 18:19.56 | olafski | though I am in the process of watching all 6 star wars episodes |
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| 18:22.30 | cloudwolf | guess i go play wc3 while i wait for my server to let me login lol |
| 18:22.49 | A-KO | http://i32.tinypic.com/1zb6hya.jpg < lol, ancient brothel |
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| 18:24.38 | olafski | have you seen Rome a-ko? |
| 18:25.20 | A-KO | nope |
| 18:25.29 | cloudwolf | Think of ancient times like this. Sex = social interaction lol |
| 18:25.43 | A-KO | man I was born in the wrong millenia |
| 18:26.48 | olafski | should try it imo, might be interesting for you.. though I doubt it's very historically accurate |
| 18:26.55 | olafski | it did made me think about life in rome back then :) |
| 18:27.07 | airtonix | back when you were a child |
| 18:27.24 | olafski | exactly, I'm 2000 years old |
| 18:27.25 | airtonix | i have fond memories of the orgies |
| 18:27.47 | olafski | they got my birthdate exactly right.. not so accurate about the death date |
| 18:27.48 | airtonix | a most pneumatic experience |
| 18:27.49 | cloudwolf | Guys Girls goats..... |
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| 18:29.11 | Kraps | there are no useful cheats for CoH |
| 18:29.21 | Kraps | :( |
| 18:29.24 | airtonix | because no one plays it |
| 18:29.52 | Kraps | ...anymore |
| 18:29.54 | olafski | really? hmm |
| 18:30.28 | olafski | hm that does indeed look rather useless |
| 18:30.32 | olafski | big head mode, big whoop |
| 18:30.50 | Shirik | does SC2 have any cheats? |
| 18:30.53 | airtonix | no |
| 18:30.55 | Shirik | I noticed Power Overwhelming doesn't work |
| 18:30.58 | airtonix | because noone plays it |
| 18:31.01 | Shirik | ?! |
| 18:31.05 | airtonix | :) |
| 18:31.05 | Kraps | a quitgame cheat olafski :/ |
| 18:31.09 | Arrowmaster | no games have cheats anymore |
| 18:31.16 | airtonix | because no one plays them |
| 18:31.20 | Arrowmaster | you have to purchase those kinda things with micropayments now |
| 18:31.22 | airtonix | see my brilliant logic ! |
| 18:31.24 | Shirik | I don't enjoy cheating anyway |
| 18:31.32 | Shirik | but my friend seems to just want to know the storyline |
| 18:31.45 | airtonix | writ a book for him |
| 18:31.47 | airtonix | e |
| 18:31.49 | Shirik | no |
| 18:31.51 | airtonix | yes |
| 18:32.01 | airtonix | i order you to lick my boots |
| 18:32.40 | Arrowmaster | im a bit annoyed at sc2 campaign and how the replay works with the upgrades and unlocks |
| 18:32.46 | Kraps | i think it was AoE 2 that had a cheat called big daddy, which gave you a black limo with a turret that shot fucking nukes |
| 18:33.10 | Arrowmaster | so ive stopped playing until somebody maps out the best order to do everything in and when to get what upgrades |
| 18:33.12 | airtonix | Another Overpriced Endeavour ? |
| 18:33.26 | Kraps | airtonix: durr |
| 18:33.45 | Kraps | age of empires fool |
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| 18:34.14 | Kraps | FOOL! |
| 18:34.15 | airtonix | Anal Orgy Enterprises |
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| 18:34.51 | Kraps | Acrobatic Oversized Elephants |
| 18:35.16 | Torhal | I remember when I lived in Boston, before I knew anything about game studios...A friend of mine took me to Looking Glass, and I was was surprised that there was an office that had Age of Empires, and that the Thief devs were playing StarCraft. |
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| 18:36.21 | Tepetkhet | Morning. |
| 18:36.43 | airtonix | nou |
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| 18:37.39 | olafski | mm anal orgy |
| 18:37.40 | olafski | wait what? |
| 18:37.55 | Kraps | http://cata.wowhead.com/achievement=4888 two camels in a tiny car |
| 18:37.56 | olafski | arrowmaster: you get to choose upgrades between missions and can't choose them all before the campaign ends or something? |
| 18:39.20 | Arrowmaster | when you replay a mission you only have what you originally had when you started that mission the first time |
| 18:40.00 | Arrowmaster | so if i decide i want to play on a higher difficulty im completely fucked and have to restart due to some retarded ass missions |
| 18:40.42 | Arrowmaster | like the god damn train heist one that i found difficult on normal but other people that had seige tanks already when they started it where like 'lol that mission was a joke on hard' |
| 18:40.57 | cbreak | I found it easy on normal |
| 18:41.11 | cbreak | I just built a ton of those diamondback things, and a bunch of marauders |
| 18:41.14 | cbreak | stood on the train tracks |
| 18:41.19 | cbreak | and once the train came, it explode |
| 18:41.33 | cbreak | didn't get siege tanks until much later |
| 18:42.08 | Kraps | what, SC2 downloads faster if i dont use the p2p option? |
| 18:42.19 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 18:42.20 | Fisker | 9 |
| 18:42.22 | Fisker | old Kraps |
| 18:42.29 | olafski | right now I'm definitely skipping sc2, thanks arrowmaster :) |
| 18:42.39 | Arrowmaster | i didnt expand to the other base soon enough so once i lost my diamondback to the marauders i couldnt build up enough of them again and just kept losing units every time a train came even |
| 18:42.46 | Kraps | stabs p2p repeatedly |
| 18:43.04 | Fisker | Campaign ending should've been handled better |
| 18:43.06 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: sounds like you didn't have enough SCVs on minerals |
| 18:43.07 | Fisker | also cloud saving pl0x |
| 18:43.35 | Legorol | did you make sure to have 27 SCVs on the minerals and 3 on each vespene gas? for a total of 33 SCVs |
| 18:43.46 | cbreak | the marauders? |
| 18:43.51 | cbreak | I never met them |
| 18:43.52 | Arrowmaster | 27 SCVs? |
| 18:43.55 | Legorol | yes |
| 18:43.57 | Fisker | nono Legorol |
| 18:43.57 | cbreak | they just patroled out of my way |
| 18:44.01 | Arrowmaster | holy shit thats a lot |
| 18:44.03 | Fisker | it's the other way around |
| 18:44.08 | Fisker | 3 scvs on mineral |
| 18:44.08 | Fisker | minerals |
| 18:44.09 | Fisker | and 27 on gas |
| 18:44.10 | olafski | back in sc1 5 scvs on minerals was enough! |
| 18:44.14 | Legorol | 3 per mineral patch, and there are 9 patches in that one if i remember right |
| 18:44.18 | Kraps | stabs p2p repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly |
| 18:44.22 | Legorol | 3 per mineral patch gives max mining rate |
| 18:44.26 | Fisker | anyway nice infos |
| 18:44.34 | Fisker | i wasn't aware of the scv to mineral ratio |
| 18:44.42 | Legorol | it's 3 per patch and 3 per gas |
| 18:44.49 | Legorol | assuming optimal CC placement |
| 18:44.55 | Fisker | of course |
| 18:45.00 | cbreak | 2 per patch/gas give a normal increase |
| 18:45.04 | cbreak | the third gives a fraction increase |
| 18:45.07 | Legorol | on Normal mode, with that kind of ratios, i find i ridiculously outproduce everything |
| 18:45.18 | Legorol | i usually end up with a 200/200 army by the end of every Normal mode mission |
| 18:45.26 | Fisker | i suck at lategame cause i get unsure on how many workers i should use |
| 18:45.39 | Fisker | so i just proxy gateway 4 life |
| 18:45.46 | Legorol | in multiplayer you'd expand much sooner of course |
| 18:45.57 | Kraps | "Players now seem to be able to mount just about anywhere, including indoors. " |
| 18:45.59 | Arrowmaster | well i also held off on upgrading a lot because i wasnt sure what i wanted, and now that is going to fuck over all replays |
| 18:45.59 | Kraps | ... |
| 18:46.09 | Fisker | If people could add notes to players everyone who had lost to me would write "proxier of n00bs" |
| 18:46.37 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: i was of the attitude that i should be able to do these missions on normal regardless of upgrades, and probably on hard too, so i'll just buy whatever is cool and always make sure i have as little credit as possible |
| 18:46.40 | Legorol | seems to work out fine |
| 18:46.40 | Fisker | it's like stockholm syndrome |
| 18:46.45 | Fisker | i totally hate rushing and proxying |
| 18:46.48 | Legorol | as long as i make sure i do use the the units that i actually upgraded |
| 18:46.52 | Fisker | yet i can't do anything else that great |
| 18:46.53 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:46.57 | Legorol | like, i upgraded medics and marauders, so i build a lot of them.. and they kick ass |
| 18:47.04 | Kraps | whats proxying? |
| 18:47.12 | airtonix | the act of fiskering |
| 18:47.20 | cbreak | creating your army near the enemy |
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| 18:47.28 | cbreak | by flying your buildings over |
| 18:47.33 | Legorol | proxy is short for "proximity", any strategy that involves building buildings and/or units right up in the opponent's face |
| 18:47.38 | cbreak | or building a pylon to warp them in |
| 18:47.39 | Legorol | idealy without him realising |
| 18:47.43 | Kraps | oh ya i read about that |
| 18:47.45 | Shirik | The proxy pattern is quite good |
| 18:47.47 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: yeah i upgraded the firebats flame area and the hellions flame area but now i never use hellions and i only use a few firebats for base defense on missions against zerg |
| 18:47.48 | Shirik | very useful |
| 18:48.01 | Fisker | on one of the space platform maps there's a little imbalance |
| 18:48.08 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: but then you should have credits to upgrade other stuffs too |
| 18:48.16 | Fisker | because you can proxy gateway just over the mineral line without the player noticing on one side |
| 18:48.18 | Fisker | but not the other |
| 18:48.19 | Arrowmaster | i upgraded other stuff too |
| 18:48.26 | Kraps | i suck at mutiplayer in everything so i wouldnt play that anyway |
| 18:48.39 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: of course this all dependso n how good you are at the game |
| 18:48.42 | airtonix | lol@prxy is short for proximity |
| 18:48.43 | cbreak | I upgraded marines, medics, siege tanks, scvs, ... :) |
| 18:48.48 | Arrowmaster | i suck at rts |
| 18:49.03 | Legorol | personally i can play them on Hard, so i guess i care less about upgrades |
| 18:49.04 | Arrowmaster | im not a micromanager |
| 18:49.08 | olafski | highfives arrowmaster |
| 18:49.13 | olafski | I suck at them too but I like RTS :P |
| 18:49.17 | Legorol | SC is not about micro, contrary to popular belief |
| 18:49.21 | Fisker | i'm ok at microing |
| 18:49.25 | olafski | gotta play sc2 eventually I guess |
| 18:49.25 | Fisker | problem is just multitasking :P |
| 18:49.26 | Legorol | if you suck at micro but good at macro, you are better off than the other way around |
| 18:49.30 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: the campaign fucking is |
| 18:49.36 | Legorol | i should've said, "not just about micro" |
| 18:49.37 | Legorol | i disagree |
| 18:49.38 | Fisker | i can micro an army but before i know of it i have 5000 minerals and gas just sitting there |
| 18:49.40 | Fisker | :3 |
| 18:49.42 | Legorol | i win campaigns by macroing.. |
| 18:49.54 | Legorol | i build ridiculous amounts of stuff, attack-move them at the opponent, and don't even look at the fight most of the time |
| 18:49.59 | airtonix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_war |
| 18:50.03 | olafski | I just make 50 of those guardians and swipe them across the map |
| 18:50.08 | olafski | then get owned when the enemy has a templar |
| 18:50.10 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: that doesnt work on timed missions though |
| 18:50.16 | Legorol | i never said i'm slow |
| 18:50.19 | Legorol | or that i'm teching up |
| 18:50.35 | Legorol | i am just lot better at macro and pouring out units than at micro |
| 18:50.55 | Legorol | plus i pick the right units to produce |
| 18:51.03 | Legorol | i think ^^ |
| 18:51.06 | Arrowmaster | well when i go back to it i guess ill have to try that 2-3 SCVs per mineral field |
| 18:51.15 | Legorol | it will help you a lot |
| 18:51.31 | Legorol | more SCVs -> more moniez -> more units (if you do actually spend it, important!) -> less need to worry about micro |
| 18:52.03 | Legorol | also, another pro-tip: mix in medics if you have an infantry heavy army, and mix in SCVs if you have mech heavy army |
| 18:52.16 | Legorol | you'll be surprised how much longer your units live if you take 4 SCVs with you on your offensive |
| 18:52.19 | Legorol | auto-repair is wonderful |
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| 18:52.45 | Arrowmaster | do you just put the SCVs in the same command group as the other units? |
| 18:52.50 | Legorol | yup |
| 18:52.52 | Legorol | i suck at micro |
| 18:52.59 | Arrowmaster | and they dont try to attack the enemy? |
| 18:53.01 | Legorol | it'd be better not t |
| 18:53.12 | Legorol | no they don't, because i don't right-click enemy units to attack them |
| 18:53.20 | Arrowmaster | oh, i do |
| 18:53.22 | Legorol | i don't often focus fire in campaign missions, i use attack-move |
| 18:53.32 | Legorol | also, another thing i do is this: |
| 18:53.41 | Legorol | attack-move to get the army going, then once they are in position, hit "stop" |
| 18:53.51 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: the formula for us noobs is: turtle, build, rush |
| 18:53.54 | Legorol | the fighting units start attacking again immediately, and the SCV-s will start repairing |
| 18:54.04 | Legorol | Kraps: not so imo |
| 18:54.10 | Legorol | you can't win the campaigns by turtling |
| 18:54.20 | Arrowmaster | you can win some |
| 18:54.31 | Legorol | but what does help for noobs is: spend more time looking at your base and less at your army |
| 18:54.48 | Legorol | i know it's very counterintuitive to order your troops to attack and not actually watch the action |
| 18:54.51 | Legorol | it's hard to get used to |
| 18:54.55 | Kraps | Legorol: right, but most playtime in rts' for me was skirmish vs ai |
| 18:54.57 | Arrowmaster | one i need to remember is 'fucking build missle turrets you fuck tard' |
| 18:55.12 | Legorol | hehe |
| 18:55.14 | Legorol | or mass marines |
| 18:55.21 | Legorol | much more mobile ;) |
| 18:55.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah but when i mass an army i tend to take it all on the offensive with me |
| 18:55.47 | Legorol | btw, i love that upgrade on bunkers which puts a little turret on top.. |
| 18:56.00 | Legorol | now for 100 minerals (cost of 2 marines) i can build something that shoots decently and has lot more Hp |
| 18:56.04 | Legorol | very well worth it |
| 18:57.20 | Arrowmaster | even more hp with fire suppression and bio-steal right |
| 18:57.32 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 18:57.54 | Kraps | Legorol: why would i attack if i cant order them to hit specified targets?' |
| 18:57.58 | Tepetkhet | What does UpdateUIPanelPositions do? |
| 18:58.21 | Legorol | Kraps: you attack move into an area, and they decimate all resistance there ;) |
| 18:58.33 | Tepetkhet | Tried google and found old posts mentioning errors with it. |
| 18:58.46 | Kraps | huh, attack move |
| 18:58.57 | Kraps | another thing thats never used |
| 18:59.04 | Legorol | attack move is when you click attack (or press A) and then click on a spot on the ground |
| 18:59.08 | Legorol | you never used it? |
| 18:59.15 | Legorol | it's extremely important you get used to it |
| 18:59.20 | Legorol | it's used all the time |
| 18:59.29 | Kraps | once or twice on a lark |
| 18:59.31 | Legorol | it tells your troops: "go here and kill everything you meet along the way" |
| 18:59.37 | Kraps | i know |
| 18:59.50 | Tepetkhet | Oh, I forgot about that command, Legorol! |
| 18:59.51 | Legorol | the problem with right-clicking enemy units is this: |
| 18:59.58 | Tepetkhet | I used to use it all the time in WCIII |
| 19:00.01 | Legorol | in theory, it's the most efficient way to fight |
| 19:00.14 | Arrowmaster | well its best for focusing down larger threats |
| 19:00.14 | Legorol | in practice it causes two problems: it forces you to spend time looking at the combat, so you neglect your base |
| 19:00.34 | Legorol | and if you are not quick/agile, you often misclick and click the ground instead of an emeny unit, which causes your units to stop firing and start moving |
| 19:00.37 | Kraps | because you are concentrating firepower |
| 19:00.39 | Tepetkhet | BUT for now, I'm not even playing my shiny new SCII. :( |
| 19:00.51 | Tepetkhet | Because I'm trying to learn this whole addon writing thing. |
| 19:01.09 | Legorol | yes, rightclicking big enemy units to take them down fast is ok |
| 19:01.15 | Arrowmaster | i did find that shift to queue actions thing extremely useful when i remembered to use it |
| 19:01.17 | Legorol | but trying to rightclick each enemy marine in turn is a pain |
| 19:01.22 | Arrowmaster | and it worked right |
| 19:01.28 | Legorol | yah it's awesome |
| 19:01.44 | Tepetkhet | You taint my mind with thoughts of SCII. |
| 19:01.48 | Legorol | send an SCV to build, and shift-rightclick the minerals. that way you don't forget to send it back to work |
| 19:01.58 | Tepetkhet | ;_; |
| 19:02.04 | Arrowmaster | its a pain in the ass to queue up buildings though |
| 19:02.07 | Tepetkhet | I must stay the course! |
| 19:02.11 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: how so? |
| 19:02.20 | Kraps | Tepetkhet: you will be assimilated |
| 19:02.36 | Tepetkhet | Kraps: But I need to finish writing this addon. |
| 19:02.48 | Kraps | no, you dont |
| 19:02.53 | Tepetkhet | Yes...I do. |
| 19:03.07 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.17 | Tepetkhet | I've put it off for um...since the end of BC. |
| 19:03.18 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: did you know, you can grab a bunch of SCVs, and tell them to build stuff using shift-clicking, then shift-rightclick the minerals and the result is this: if there are more SCVs then there are buildings you ordered, the surplus goes back to mining. |
| 19:03.21 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: well for stuff like supply depots i wish it wouldnt drop back to nothing selected so i could just hold shift and keep clicking |
| 19:03.45 | Legorol | if there are less SCVs than buildings you ordered, they will queue up those extra buildings too, build them, then go back to mining |
| 19:03.51 | Arrowmaster | Legorol: how does that work if you have the upgrade that more than 1 SCV can build |
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| 19:04.03 | Legorol | no idea... haven't had that yet |
| 19:04.12 | Tepetkhet | I wanted an addon that would do this. It didn't exist. I tried using other addons and got in over my head with a gazillion options that I didn't need. |
| 19:04.14 | Arrowmaster | i got it but never use it =( |
| 19:04.23 | Legorol | and btw, you can just hold shift with the supply depot thing |
| 19:04.29 | Legorol | you can hold shift as you click build/supply depot |
| 19:04.32 | Kraps | sc2 seems to be suffering from hype backlash http://bobshouseofvideogames.com/2010/07/30/video-game-lolsstarcraft-2010-update/ |
| 19:04.33 | Legorol | so you never have to let go |
| 19:04.48 | Arrowmaster | but then i have to select build and supply depot again |
| 19:05.00 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_080110_172041.jpg |
| 19:05.05 | Kraps | Tepetkhet: do what? |
| 19:05.22 | Tepetkhet | Well, there are addons that do kind of what I want. |
| 19:05.27 | olafski | heh kraps |
| 19:05.33 | Tepetkhet | I used to play a paladin and wanted a buff bar for my blessings. |
| 19:05.35 | Kraps | mikma: sexy |
| 19:05.38 | Tepetkhet | Not another action bar. |
| 19:05.50 | Tepetkhet | I was using a sphere mod for paladins for a while, but it took up a lot of space. |
| 19:05.56 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: yes you do, but you can keep holding shift int he meantime |
| 19:06.03 | Tepetkhet | And people made fun of me. :( |
| 19:06.07 | Legorol | Shift-B, Shift-S, Shift-rightclick |
| 19:06.31 | mikma | kraps: no, THIS is sexy! http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_072810_191735.jpg |
| 19:06.42 | cloudwolf | lawl |
| 19:06.49 | Kraps | OH GOD MY EYES! |
| 19:06.51 | Tepetkhet | So I want to make a buff bar that will ultimately detect class and display appropriate buffs, but hide when not needed. Collapsible. |
| 19:06.59 | Arrowmaster | i also suck at touch typing while gaming when ive only got one hand on the keyboard, need to fix that |
| 19:07.14 | Tepetkhet | Oh, look. A link from mikma. Shall I click it? NO I don't think so. |
| 19:07.33 | Tepetkhet | Aaaanyway. |
| 19:07.38 | Tepetkhet | So far, I have a BUTTON! |
| 19:07.41 | mikma | stop being so afraid |
| 19:07.47 | Legorol | Arrowmaster: good luck with the achievements/hard modes! |
| 19:07.50 | mikma | my links aren't bad, people are just cowards |
| 19:08.06 | Kraps | mikma: is that an undercover quest? |
| 19:08.14 | Tepetkhet | And it's now on a collapsable anchor. :) |
| 19:08.19 | Fisker | omg that LK kill was a disaster |
| 19:08.31 | Fisker | someone couldn't keep the guy in the frostmourne room healed |
| 19:08.49 | Kraps | Fisker: no one cares about LK anymore |
| 19:08.53 | Fisker | so at the same time the NPC died someone dropped Defile just on top of the raid which ended up taking up half the room |
| 19:08.55 | Tepetkhet | Updated ogre suit |
| 19:09.06 | Fisker | omg updated ogre suit? |
| 19:09.14 | mikma | kraps: ya. |
| 19:09.17 | mikma | also, this one made me lol |
| 19:09.19 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_072410_223409.jpg |
| 19:09.26 | mikma | that man surely is pissed |
| 19:09.53 | Tepetkhet | AHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:09.54 | Tepetkhet | Nice |
| 19:09.56 | Kraps | :o |
| 19:10.02 | Kraps | language! |
| 19:10.56 | Tepetkhet | Is that for real?? |
| 19:11.16 | Fisker | in b4 t-rating nerf mikma |
| 19:11.20 | olafski | he's saying ass in wow? :s |
| 19:11.23 | mikma | yeah :) |
| 19:11.35 | Tepetkhet | I mean, is there really a quest with an NPC that calls you a pompous dirt-sucking ass-death knight? |
| 19:11.37 | mikma | that's a quest inside the bugged cave in hyjal |
| 19:11.42 | Legorol | mikma: can you actually reach that pestilence/bloodboil with shift-7/8? |
| 19:11.48 | Legorol | doesn't that keybind need like 3 hands? |
| 19:12.01 | Legorol | more importantly, your IBF is shift-', is that even reachable |
| 19:12.15 | mikma | legorol: click click |
| 19:12.16 | Kraps | thats really cool, its really hard to explain how this shows why cata is different but its there |
| 19:12.21 | Legorol | click??? |
| 19:12.26 | Legorol | you intend to be a clicker for IBF? |
| 19:12.43 | mikma | that's how i play and it works :) |
| 19:12.46 | Legorol | teasing mostly :) |
| 19:12.49 | Fisker | i don't use autoattack |
| 19:12.51 | Fisker | i just click |
| 19:12.55 | Legorol | but i'll brand you a clicker |
| 19:12.56 | mikma | 12345 + shift-12345 |
| 19:13.02 | mikma | those are the numbers i can reach |
| 19:13.07 | Fisker | yeah |
| 19:13.11 | Fisker | default ui should be 1-5 |
| 19:13.19 | Tepetkhet | Mute rogue ogre |
| 19:13.23 | mikma | + some keybindings like g, shift+g .. etc |
| 19:13.26 | Fisker | maybe 1-6 and esdf instead of wasd |
| 19:13.30 | Tepetkhet | Roguer. |
| 19:13.36 | Tepetkhet | Rogre |
| 19:13.56 | mikma | tepetkhet: http://cata.wowhead.com/npc=39640 |
| 19:14.53 | olafski | I have 123456, ctrl/alt+z/x/c/v, and ` to interrupt/silence.. the rest I click |
| 19:15.12 | airtonix | fisker |
| 19:15.13 | olafski | I manage to do ok with that, as long as I'm not a keyboard turner I don't feel like a total noob :P |
| 19:15.19 | airtonix | i am worried about you |
| 19:15.25 | airtonix | http://www.wimp.com/schizophrenicsymptoms/ |
| 19:15.38 | airtonix | this reminds me of you |
| 19:15.43 | Fisker | that's what she said |
| 19:15.47 | olafski | we were wiping for 2 nights on mimiron because our main tank said he couldn't turn to run away quickly enough, then I switched from dps to tank and we got it in 1 go because I didn't turn with my arrow keys :P |
| 19:16.05 | mikma | what do the "PH Task: XXXXX" mean actually? |
| 19:16.31 | mikma | Placeholder Task? |
| 19:16.32 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/cata/WoWScrnShot_072410_232315.jpg |
| 19:16.43 | Pneumatus | it means they are placeholders, and have a task assigned to them |
| 19:17.02 | nevcairiel | thats the internal bug/task tracker number, or whatever |
| 19:17.07 | Fisker | yes mikma |
| 19:17.39 | Fisker | 10 bucks say they have some archaic crappy homebrew system nevcairiel :P |
| 19:17.55 | Pneumatus | nah, i bet they use bugzilla |
| 19:18.21 | nevcairiel | every bug tracking thing i know uses a flat number for tracking |
| 19:18.24 | nevcairiel | could be anything |
| 19:18.52 | nevcairiel | although jira has this prefix before the number |
| 19:18.58 | Fisker | yeah but the fact that they seem to be using guild name tags for it just seem odd |
| 19:19.18 | Pneumatus | probably just makes finding them easier in a database |
| 19:19.35 | nevcairiel | i have guilds names hidden |
| 19:19.45 | nevcairiel | i only ever saw it in the tooltip |
| 19:19.49 | nevcairiel | it didnt look so weird there |
| 19:23.56 | Kraps | whats the big deal about tron? |
| 19:24.04 | Pneumatus | its awesome |
| 19:24.24 | Kraps | why? |
| 19:25.00 | Pneumatus | just because |
| 19:25.48 | Kraps | http://www.wimp.com/antispeeding/ |
| 19:25.59 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1! |
| 19:26.01 | Shirik | We should 2v2! |
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| 19:26.09 | Shirik | I know you want to |
| 19:26.10 | Kraps | exploitative and awesome |
| 19:31.27 | mikma | kraps: tron legacy? |
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| 19:32.05 | Kraps | mikma: yeah but isnt is a series? |
| 19:33.10 | airtonix | Kraps, its true, retarded people shouldnt use cars |
| 19:33.53 | mikma | kraps: i have no idea. tron legacy is the new incoming movie tho |
| 19:33.59 | airtonix | WHEN! |
| 19:34.05 | Kraps | airtonix: you're giving retards a bad name |
| 19:34.13 | airtonix | :) |
| 19:34.35 | mikma | fuck the fuel economy, i use the bus! |
| 19:34.48 | airtonix | nonono |
| 19:35.21 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/networking-not-working/6374 |
| 19:41.00 | Tepetkhet | Is there a list somewhere of the different possible inherits for buttons? |
| 19:46.35 | alestane | Not really, Tepekhet, anything defined as virtual="true" on a frame declaration can be inherited. |
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| 19:47.47 | Shirik | so is there an actual point to esperanto? |
| 19:48.19 | Tepetkhet | Well, I found a button tutorial with inherits="UIPanelCloseButton" in it and I wasn't sure if there was a list of the different things that could be instead of a closebutton. |
| 19:48.40 | Tepetkhet | I apologize for all of the extremely basic questions. |
| 19:49.47 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 19:50.34 | alestane | If you look in one of the files, I think it's UIPanelTemplates.xml, you'll find the definition of UICloseButton there. There's no built-in list of options that came from nowhere...it's all spelled out in FrameXML. |
| 19:50.49 | Tepetkhet | Okay, that's what I was afraid of. |
| 19:51.00 | Tepetkhet | I was poking around under FrameXML already. :/ |
| 19:52.53 | Tepetkhet | I guess it's good that I was in the right place. |
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| 19:54.57 | Tepetkhet | Hello, tekkub. |
| 19:55.18 | amro | anyone US for sc2? |
| 19:55.23 | amro | Shirik? |
| 19:56.42 | Fisker | slaps amro around a bit with a large trout |
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| 20:06.11 | Shirik | amro: yes please |
| 20:06.25 | amro | add me then, amro/500 |
| 20:08.09 | zenzelezz | amro/500? Is that another unknown Amiga clone? |
| 20:08.20 | amro | yeah, I made it myself |
| 20:08.28 | zenzelezz | sweet |
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| 20:11.16 | Tepetkhet | AHAHA |
| 20:11.20 | Tepetkhet | Okay, I have just learned something. |
| 20:11.51 | Tepetkhet | I am setting up my addon wrong because one of my test buttons just closed something in my other addon. |
| 20:12.05 | Tepetkhet | That's so awesome. |
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| 20:13.04 | mikma | well |
| 20:13.18 | mikma | stop sharing functiohpn names and make them local |
| 20:13.25 | mikma | wat |
| 20:13.30 | mikma | function names |
| 20:13.42 | Tepetkhet | I am learning. |
| 20:13.47 | Tepetkhet | Verrrrrrry slowly. |
| 20:13.53 | zenzelezz | well, learn from his suggestion :) |
| 20:14.05 | zenzelezz | don't use general names, use very (addon-)specific names |
| 20:14.26 | mikma | local function poop(msg) print(poop.." is the greatest!") end; poop("mikma") |
| 20:14.31 | Tepetkhet | *rofl* |
| 20:14.35 | Shirik | amro: Just got out of the shower give me a few |
| 20:14.36 | mikma | whoops |
| 20:14.44 | mikma | local function poop(msg) print(msg.." is the greatest!") end; poop("mikma") |
| 20:14.52 | mikma | there, i fixed it for you! |
| 20:15.09 | Tepetkhet | Hm, well, I'm doing the drawing in XML and the functions in LUA. |
| 20:15.25 | Shirik | bad mikma |
| 20:15.32 | Shirik | that should be `return print` |
| 20:15.36 | mikma | shitrik! |
| 20:15.41 | Shirik | tailcall whenever possible! |
| 20:15.48 | zenzelezz | so name your frames more like MySuperUniqueAddonFrame |
| 20:16.34 | zenzelezz | tail-call sounds like a silly way to say booty-call |
| 20:16.39 | Fisker | gives Shirik some free rage |
| 20:16.50 | Tepetkhet | The problem was that I copy/pasted from one version of my addon to another. |
| 20:16.53 | Torhal | zenzelezz: Unless you'er Fisker, and must use animaline qualifiers. |
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| 20:17.01 | Torhal | you're* |
| 20:17.04 | zenzelezz | Torhal: true |
| 20:17.22 | Tepetkhet | And left the frame name something like MyAddon1 when I pasted it into MyAddon2. |
| 20:17.33 | Tepetkhet | So that's easy enough to fix. |
| 20:17.42 | Tepetkhet | And seems the obvious way to do it... |
| 20:17.44 | mikma | tepetkhet: there you go. the xml calls the function both addons use now. in this case, addon nr.2 overwrites addon nr.1 function |
| 20:17.46 | Tepetkhet | But maybe not the right way. |
| 20:19.45 | Tepetkhet | print("Thank you, mikma! " .. UnitName("player") .. " is a very grateful " .. UnitClass("player") .. "."); |
| 20:20.48 | mikma | reminded me of: function random() return 3 end ... for some reason |
| 20:21.10 | mikma | cant quite think of the connection |
| 20:21.42 | Fisker | is that an insult Torhal? :( |
| 20:22.01 | mikma | BAM! lvl5 internet troll. |
| 20:22.06 | Tepetkhet | 10 CLS |
| 20:22.21 | Tepetkhet | 20 print "poop" |
| 20:22.29 | Tepetkhet | 30 GOTO 20 |
| 20:22.39 | A-KO | basic ftw |
| 20:22.45 | Shirik | bad |
| 20:22.53 | Shirik | capitalize PRINT |
| 20:22.58 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:23.00 | Tepetkhet | sorry, fingers were cold |
| 20:23.04 | A-KO | ahh good ole qbasic :P |
| 20:23.06 | A-KO | those were the days |
| 20:23.13 | mikma | shirite! |
| 20:23.25 | Tepetkhet | Back in "the day", I used to go into Radio Shack / Tandy and get all their computers to do that. |
| 20:23.33 | A-KO | nice |
| 20:23.44 | Tepetkhet | Well, not "poop", but... |
| 20:24.02 | mikma | you sure showed them |
| 20:24.18 | Torhal | Fisker: I'm unsure, Fisker. |
| 20:24.23 | airtonix | fisker |
| 20:24.26 | A-KO | looking back at my basic days, I just think of how much I like OO programming now |
| 20:24.30 | Tepetkhet | I think I printed a scream or something. "Help! I'm trapped in a loop!" |
| 20:24.36 | mikma | i am unsure fisker, too |
| 20:24.37 | airtonix | fisker, why do greek girls shave their moustache |
| 20:24.40 | A-KO | though I question how efficient OO actually is |
| 20:24.45 | A-KO | but it sure makes making complex things easier... |
| 20:24.56 | Torhal | A-KO: Rather efficient for compiled languages. |
| 20:25.05 | alestane | http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20021108.html , Tepetkhet. |
| 20:25.49 | mikma | airtonix: so people will know them as girls instead of boys |
| 20:26.38 | mikma | ok, i have a real life question... |
| 20:26.52 | mikma | what the living fuck is wrong with people nowadays? |
| 20:27.15 | mikma | why do they update their relationshipstatus in facebook instead of actually telling people??? |
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| 20:27.35 | airtonix | mikma, did you ever read william gibson ? |
| 20:27.41 | mikma | my two friends are hooked on facebook relationship changing |
| 20:28.08 | mikma | today they changed ttheir status, yet again, into "Single" |
| 20:28.43 | mikma | that has happened so many times now that it has started to look like a bad joke |
| 20:28.49 | mikma | airtonix: nope |
| 20:29.25 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/355/ , mikma. |
| 20:30.30 | mikma | alestane: touche, they changed their status into that on friday =D |
| 20:33.42 | mikma | ok, thursday... |
| 20:34.59 | mikma | alestane: Kimmo Saari went from being "engaged" to "it's complicated.", Thursday at 3:41am |
| 20:35.28 | mikma | alestane: Kimmo Saari went from being "it's complicated" to "single.", 11 hours ago |
| 20:35.43 | alestane | Sounds like they should pretty much just leave it on "It's complicated...", mikma. |
| 20:36.15 | mikma | alestane: yeap. it covers that drama and so on |
| 20:36.39 | Tepetkhet | alestane: I have a Queen of Wands comic printed out at work. |
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| 20:42.25 | Tepetkhet | It's the one where Kestrel is doing phone support for a cable company. |
| 20:42.35 | Tepetkhet | And the guy asks to talk to a MAN. |
| 20:43.14 | Adys | And the tech guy answers |
| 20:43.29 | Adys | "You may not smell my manliness over the phone, but I use Old Spice." |
| 20:43.36 | Tepetkhet | No, Kestrel is a woman. |
| 20:43.56 | Adys | she can still use old spice |
| 20:44.02 | Tepetkhet | And the guy is basically telling her, "You can't "HANDLE" this problem, little lady." |
| 20:44.41 | Tepetkhet | So she gets angry, then goes all bubbly and is like, "Okay, I'll transfer you, but first, I need you to do a couple EENSY widdle things." |
| 20:44.45 | Tepetkhet | And she fixes his problem. |
| 20:45.08 | Adys | He can't handle the truth. |
| 20:45.18 | Fisker | When i first met my love mikma i faked being a troll and he still thinks i'm trolling |
| 20:45.28 | Tepetkhet | Yeah, truth is, you don't need a penis to do tech support. |
| 20:45.51 | Tepetkhet | People ask me all the time if I'm the receptionist... |
| 20:45.57 | Tepetkhet | Or for me to transfer them to tech support. |
| 20:45.58 | Tepetkhet | :( |
| 20:46.39 | Fisker | which means you do need a penis to do tech support |
| 20:46.51 | Fisker | though tech support is just reading a script anyway |
| 20:46.57 | Tepetkhet | Not really. |
| 20:47.05 | Tepetkhet | We don't have scripts where I work. |
| 20:47.11 | alestane | This one, Tepetkhet? http://queenofwands.net/d/20040324.html |
| 20:47.17 | alestane | It's a perennial favorite here. |
| 20:47.17 | Tepetkhet | Actually, NONE of the places I've worked use scripts. |
| 20:47.35 | Tepetkhet | That's the one. |
| 20:48.26 | alestane | Practically every tech-minded female I've introduced to that one has printed it out. |
| 20:48.32 | alestane | The one after it is also a gem: http://queenofwands.net/d/20040326.html |
| 20:49.42 | Tepetkhet | I used to work for an ISP in Berkeley. |
| 20:49.45 | Tepetkhet | We had a couple calls like that. |
| 20:50.52 | Fisker | What did you do? |
| 20:50.56 | Fisker | Bring the coffee? |
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| 20:51.05 | Fisker | highfives any sexist in the channel |
| 20:51.54 | Adys | highfives Shadowed to make him look bad |
| 20:53.28 | Tepetkhet | I brought the coffee, sure. And I set up accounts on various BSD-based systems. And hand-edited DNS zone files, wrote documentation, added VirtualHosts (all command line)...walked old ladies through setting up Outlook Express... |
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| 20:54.06 | Tepetkhet | telnetted into the mail server to list e-mails and delete the BIG one that was blocking their download of e-mails... |
| 20:54.12 | Tepetkhet | Back in the dial-up days. |
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| 20:55.21 | Fisker | keeps his ears covered while shouting "lalala" |
| 20:55.38 | Tepetkhet | Oh, and there was that one time I had to rebuild the setup on the RedBack DSL router. :( RedBack IOS is pretty similar to Cisco IOS. |
| 20:56.26 | Tepetkhet | So, have fun, troll. I know what I can do, and now so do you. :) |
| 20:56.35 | Adys | Tepetkhet: was the coffee hot at least? |
| 20:56.49 | Adys | Fisker: (watch and learn, young padawan.) |
| 20:56.51 | Tepetkhet | Yes. Very hot, and very strong. Peets Coffee FTW. |
| 20:57.07 | Tepetkhet | All the better to "accidentally" spill in your lap. |
| 20:57.14 | Adys | Oh she's good. |
| 20:57.36 | Adys | but then again you might get sued by some old lady |
| 20:57.42 | Adys | because it's too hot. |
| 20:57.59 | Tepetkhet | Not where I worked. |
| 20:58.56 | Tepetkhet | Although there was the time where some lady brought her ancient laptop in with Windows 3.1 and wanted us to set up her Trumpet WinSock for her...and then she tripped on a corner of the carpet on her way out. :/ |
| 21:00.35 | alestane | http://w00t.chaobell.net/20021206.html |
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| 21:01.51 | Tepetkhet | haha |
| 21:01.52 | Tepetkhet | Nice. |
| 21:02.32 | alestane | I don't think I ever realized this one was an Ultima reference before: http://w00t.chaobell.net/20021221.html |
| 21:03.46 | alestane | And the eventual followup to the missing customer from the first one: http://w00t.chaobell.net/20021228.html |
| 21:05.38 | Tepetkhet | Feed me, Seymour. |
| 21:05.39 | Shirik | ~weather kpdx |
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| 21:07.38 | Tepetkhet | Oh, wow. |
| 21:09.32 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/07/30/funny-pictures-than-you-thought/ |
| 21:09.45 | Tepetkhet | Okay, I am getting closer! |
| 21:10.08 | Tepetkhet | I now can open and close a frame by clicking a button! |
| 21:10.30 | Tepetkhet | But I am getting an error because I'm too much of a newbie to understand functions and setting up variables properly. |
| 21:10.38 | Tepetkhet | It works, but with errors. |
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| 21:10.56 | Shirik | wtb someone to play SC with |
| 21:10.59 | Shirik | PST |
| 21:11.14 | Shirik | Sixen that means you |
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| 21:16.52 | industrial | My rogue is level 29 and I need a good spec. I have BoA daggers. |
| 21:16.55 | industrial | for leveling |
| 21:18.47 | Tepetkhet | Okay, so I have a function to close/open a frame when you click a button. Now I'm trying to get the graphic for the close button to change, too. |
| 21:18.50 | Tepetkhet | ... |
| 21:18.55 | Tepetkhet | I GOT IT! |
| 21:19.06 | Tepetkhet | does a happy dance! |
| 21:19.36 | alestane | cheers! |
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| 21:20.18 | Tepetkhet | Now I need to figure out how to set the starting texture of the button. |
| 21:20.30 | Adys | !api queststart |
| 21:20.30 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'queststart'. |
| 21:20.34 | Adys | !api startsquest |
| 21:20.34 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'startsquest'. |
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| 21:20.37 | Adys | !api starts |
| 21:20.38 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'starts': Frame:StartSizing, Sound_GameSystem_RestartSoundSystem |
| 21:20.44 | Adys | meh |
| 21:20.51 | Tepetkhet | Because right now, it starts as the standard UIPanelCloseButton graphic that it inherits. |
| 21:22.17 | Adys | anyone knows the api function used to figure out whether an item starts a quest |
| 21:24.58 | Maldivia | GetItemInfo -- and the item type is quest |
| 21:25.56 | Maldivia | for container items, there's also GetContainerItemQuestInfo |
| 21:28.25 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:28.57 | Tepetkhet | :( |
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| 21:48.53 | Kraps | logged in steam users always peaks at around noon |
| 21:49.07 | Corrodias | people have no jobs or what |
| 21:49.19 | Kraps | :)( |
| 21:50.27 | Kraps | people still play the original counter-strike |
| 21:50.43 | airtonix | sneaks up on Fisker with a large rubber knife |
| 21:50.49 | Tepetkhet | Well, I now have a clickable button that will expand and collapse the child frame. It will actually update the open/close button, too, but...when it's first loaded, it has no graphic. |
| 21:51.02 | airtonix | Fisker, STAB STAB STAB |
| 21:51.08 | Tepetkhet | It's just a green box right now. |
| 21:51.12 | Corrodias | this ain't pokeymans |
| 21:52.23 | Tepetkhet | Do I have to call a function right off the bat to detect the child frame's state and then set the graphic accordingly? |
| 21:52.48 | Tepetkhet | Like, "if it's closed, use this graphic. If it's open, use that graphic"? |
| 21:54.10 | Tepetkhet | And would I wrap that in an OnLoad in the XML? |
| 21:54.13 | Tepetkhet | Is that how you do that? |
| 21:54.43 | Tepetkhet | I guess I should try to write it and see if that does it. |
| 21:54.43 | Tepetkhet | heh |
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| 21:55.05 | Kraps | grilled burger teim! |
| 22:01.57 | Fisker | I'm about to do the impossible Shirik |
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| 22:03.27 | Tepetkhet | Ugh, that did NOT work. |
| 22:03.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yes it did, you summoned me. :) |
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| 22:04.13 | Tepetkhet | Well, can you tell me how to set the graphic for a button when it loads based on whether a child frame is hidden or visible? |
| 22:04.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yar matey, that's too complex a topic for me, sadly. /comfort |
| 22:05.09 | Tepetkhet | Too complex for me, too. :( |
| 22:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | I am a crappy Jeanie. *hangs head in shame* |
| 22:05.22 | Tepetkhet | Jeanie? |
| 22:05.25 | Tepetkhet | Oh |
| 22:05.30 | Tepetkhet | Genie |
| 22:05.30 | Lopeppeppy | I dream of Jeanie. :) |
| 22:05.59 | zenzelezz | what? There's a peppy-summoning spell and I was not informed? |
| 22:06.20 | Tepetkhet | I tried to set it to run a function OnLoad, but it seemed to be saying it didn't know what my child frame was yet. |
| 22:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | all you have to do is rub my lamp the right way, zenzelezz! |
| 22:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | Tepetkhet, IS the child frame in existence OnLoad? |
| 22:08.10 | alestane | If they're declared in the <Frames> section, they should be. |
| 22:08.15 | Tepetkhet | I don't quite know. I think the error is telling me it isn't...it draws them in order, I guess? |
| 22:09.13 | Tepetkhet | Hm. |
| 22:09.21 | Tepetkhet | The child is in a separate frame. |
| 22:09.49 | alestane | Does the child have a "parent=" attribute on its tag? |
| 22:09.54 | Tepetkhet | Yes. |
| 22:15.19 | alestane | That may be part of your problem then. If a frame is declared in the <Frames> part of another frame, it is parented to that frame automatically. |
| 22:15.31 | Tepetkhet | I just want a little clickable button on the parent that will toggle visibility on the child. I want the graphic to reflect whether the child is visible or not. |
| 22:15.51 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: is that what they're calling it now? |
| 22:16.05 | Lopeppeppy | Bottle ahoy. |
| 22:19.07 | alestane | I'd recommend setting them graphic from the OnShow and OnHide scripts of the child, Tepetkhet. |
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| 22:19.29 | Tepetkhet | Hm, well, that part actually works right. |
| 22:19.35 | Tepetkhet | But when it first loads, there is no graphic. |
| 22:20.04 | Tepetkhet | So I am sort of trying to set a conditional initial graphic, if that makes any sense. |
| 22:20.42 | alestane | Well, the child's OnShow should run when it first appears, so moving it there should take care of it anyway, I think. |
| 22:21.45 | Kraps | wow, that burger sucked |
| 22:25.03 | Kraps | i need to teach my mom about "if it aint broke dont fix it" |
| 22:27.28 | Tepetkhet | YES!!! |
| 22:27.35 | Tepetkhet | Thank you, alestane! :D |
| 22:27.42 | Tepetkhet | It was in the wrong place. That made sense. |
| 22:28.30 | Lopeppeppy | alestane is awesome. |
| 22:28.36 | Tepetkhet | Hmmm...Now where is that text tutorial at... |
| 22:28.46 | alestane | So you're handling the graphic from the child frame, or you just moved the child frame into the parent's declaration? |
| 22:29.13 | Tepetkhet | I am handling the graphic from the child frame. |
| 22:29.26 | Tepetkhet | The child's state controls the parent's graphic. |
| 22:29.46 | Fisker | oh my Kraps |
| 22:29.50 | Fisker | do i have some achievements for you? |
| 22:30.02 | Kraps | no? |
| 22:30.41 | Fisker | it was pretty fucking awesome |
| 22:30.49 | Kraps | what was? |
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| 22:31.25 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/200851/1/Fisker/achievements/category/4325402 |
| 22:33.02 | Kraps | cool |
| 22:33.23 | Kraps | you even get a gold star! |
| 22:33.32 | Fisker | that means it has a reward zomg |
| 22:33.55 | Kraps | liek zomg |
| 22:36.08 | Kraps | are the AIs against each other as well? |
| 22:37.23 | Corrodias | they don't tell you the price until you login? |
| 22:40.07 | Tepetkhet | Next up: Vertical Text. |
| 22:41.03 | Tepetkhet | I will have to play around with the options in FontString for that. |
| 22:41.36 | Tepetkhet | Ohhhh wait. You can use |n to wrap lines? |
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| 22:42.34 | Tepetkhet | YAY! |
| 22:42.56 | Kraps | "You need a StarCraft II character (created in-game) to post on the forums. " |
| 22:43.26 | Kraps | Kraps doesnt violate the naming policy right? |
| 22:44.46 | Corrodias | an sc2 character? what, is it an RPG now? |
| 22:44.50 | Fisker | yeah Kraps |
| 22:44.52 | Fisker | it's ffa |
| 22:45.12 | Cide | hi Shirik |
| 22:46.03 | Tepetkhet | Craps is a dice game. |
| 22:46.10 | foxlit | That splash needs to die |
| 22:46.19 | foxlit | Kraps: yes |
| 22:46.21 | Tepetkhet | You could easily argue that you are just referencing a dice game with a K instead of a C. |
| 22:46.36 | foxlit | The solution is to go hide in a corner while 6 of them get removed |
| 22:46.51 | Corrodias | blizzard doesn't wait for you to tell them a lame excuse about why you named it some way |
| 22:46.51 | foxlit | If you can return from the corner with battlecruisers, all the better. |
| 22:47.10 | Tepetkhet | Well, true. |
| 22:47.31 | Tepetkhet | I am so excited about my addon, you can't even imagine. |
| 22:47.35 | Kraps | well that sucks |
| 22:48.04 | Tepetkhet | Probably been a while for most of you since you were at this point. |
| 22:48.11 | Fisker | foxlit! |
| 22:48.49 | Tepetkhet | I wonder if I should try adding a tooltip to this open/close button. |
| 22:48.54 | Fisker | obnoxious commercial for antiperspirant products foxlit |
| 22:49.22 | Tepetkhet | Orrrrrr |
| 22:49.29 | Tepetkhet | Next step, to add a lock function. |
| 22:49.45 | Tepetkhet | Like shift-click to lock the bar and stop moving it. |
| 22:50.42 | Tepetkhet | Is there a standard keyboard shortcut that addon developers usually use for locking an object, or is that usually done through some sort of dialog? |
| 22:50.57 | Tepetkhet | Slash command, maybe. |
| 22:51.21 | Tepetkhet | I should probably take the easiest approach since I'm just starting out... |
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| 23:00.30 | foxlit | I wonder if they forgot to switch the matchmaker from beta mode |
| 23:00.46 | foxlit | The last two matches have been -2 losses :/ |
| 23:02.35 | Corrodias | what's an sc2 character for? besides posting on the forum? |
| 23:03.10 | Fisker | your starcraft profile |
| 23:03.15 | Lopeppeppy | argh. Why can I NEVER find the US SC2 forums! Someone have a link for me? |
| 23:03.24 | Corrodias | what's the profile for? |
| 23:03.26 | Fisker | us.battle.net/en/sc2/forum |
| 23:03.26 | Fisker | or so |
| 23:03.37 | Fisker | Corrodias match statistics, achievements, w/e |
| 23:04.11 | Corrodias | but why wouldn't they just track that on your b.net account, since you HAVE to have one? |
| 23:04.34 | Fisker | because then you wouldn't have a public profile |
| 23:04.44 | Fisker | unless you want your display name to be your e-mail |
| 23:05.01 | Tepetkhet | BLAH |
| 23:05.06 | Corrodias | so it's just a name. |
| 23:05.15 | Tepetkhet | Okay, this is what you guys were talking about before. |
| 23:05.26 | Tepetkhet | I can't make the window show when I'm in combat. :( |
| 23:06.05 | cbreak | what's in the window? |
| 23:06.08 | cbreak | buttons or similar? |
| 23:07.27 | Tepetkhet | Yeah. |
| 23:07.35 | Tepetkhet | I can't toggle its visibility while in combat. |
| 23:07.43 | Tepetkhet | Aw man. |
| 23:08.53 | cbreak | don't worry |
| 23:08.57 | cbreak | that's working as intended |
| 23:09.06 | Tepetkhet | Yeah, I gathered... |
| 23:09.13 | cbreak | just decide if you want to show or hide it before the battle starts |
| 23:09.35 | Tepetkhet | I will have to rethink this. |
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| 23:11.26 | Tepetkhet | I would want the contents to be available when in combat. |
| 23:11.47 | cbreak | then show it on the mana regen disabled event |
| 23:12.10 | cbreak | you can still change it's visibility with alpha |
| 23:12.22 | cbreak | but you can't hide it in combat unless you stop using buttons |
| 23:12.33 | Tepetkhet | I'm just bummed that I spent a lot of time getting it to windowshade. |
| 23:13.16 | foxlit | When are you showing it? |
| 23:13.33 | foxlit | In response to what, that is? |
| 23:13.59 | Tepetkhet | Right now? When you first load the mod, it shows the button. You can also click a button on an anchor to toggle visibility of the button. |
| 23:14.54 | Tepetkhet | It's a castable buff button. Right now, it's hard coded to be a single Blessing of Might button. |
| 23:15.03 | foxlit | So it's a "click a button to show a button" setup? |
| 23:15.20 | Tepetkhet | I guess you could say that. |
| 23:15.40 | Tepetkhet | Castable buff buttons clutter the screen a bit sometimes. |
| 23:15.40 | foxlit | You could make it work, then |
| 23:16.00 | Tepetkhet | I was hoping I could make it hide when not needed, but pop it out, click stuff, then hide it again. |
| 23:16.13 | Tepetkhet | Like...opening up the spellbook. |
| 23:16.14 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 23:17.14 | Tepetkhet | It would be nice if it was like a filtered view of my spellbook that only showed castable buffs. |
| 23:17.24 | Tepetkhet | >_> |
| 23:17.53 | Tepetkhet | I dunno. Does that make any sense? |
| 23:20.06 | Tepetkhet | I take it this is the problem here: inherits="SecureActionButtonTemplate" |
| 23:21.35 | alestane | You can probably do that, Tepetkhet, but instead of making your Show/Hide button a regular button, it will need to inherit from SecureHandlerClickTemplate, so that it can show or hide secure frames. |
| 23:23.33 | alestane | And instead of setting an OnClick handler, you'll put a string of code in the frame's _onclick attribute. |
| 23:24.54 | Tepetkhet | I have this now: <OnClick>TepButton_Close();</OnClick> |
| 23:25.15 | Fisker | rage alestane |
| 23:25.39 | alestane | If you want to show and hide a frame containing usable casting buttons, you have to take a slightly different approach. |
| 23:25.44 | alestane | You do that, Fisker. |
| 23:25.46 | Tepetkhet | Hmm |
| 23:26.19 | alestane | The button that shows and hides inherits from SecureHandlerClickTemplate. |
| 23:26.29 | Tepetkhet | I set that part. |
| 23:27.39 | Tepetkhet | I am not sure what you mean by "the frame's _onclick attribute", though...oh, I think I found some sample code. |
| 23:27.51 | alestane | When you create the child frame, you call closeButton:SetFrameRef("showChild", frameWithButtons) |
| 23:27.53 | Tepetkhet | Okay, looking at SecureHandlerClickTemplate entry on wowwiki. |
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| 23:29.58 | alestane | Then you set the control attribute on the close Button... closeButton:SetAttribute("_onclick", [[local showChild = self:GetFrameRef("showChild"); if showChild:IsShown() then showChild:Hide() else showChild:Show() end]]) |
| 23:30.35 | Tepetkhet | x_x |
| 23:32.04 | alestane | It's not actually that different from doing it in normal Lua, but there are a couple of little hiccups. |
| 23:33.32 | Tepetkhet | I'm...not really comfortable with LUA yet. |
| 23:33.55 | Tepetkhet | So my head just exploded trying to parse what you said. |
| 23:34.02 | alestane | It's advanced stuff. |
| 23:34.05 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 23:34.16 | alestane | You should have seen the old system. |
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| 23:35.41 | alestane | On a different note: http://w00t.chaobell.net/20030220.html |
| 23:36.26 | Lopeppeppy | I get that all the time, alestane. I make an office visit, error goes away. Magic. |
| 23:36.48 | alestane | Right up there with http://w00t.chaobell.net/20030225.html |
| 23:36.49 | A-KO | sc2 is bad ass... |
| 23:37.07 | alestane | That usually indicates it's a PEBKAC problem, Peppy. |
| 23:37.38 | Lopeppeppy | Yuh-huh. Usually is. |
| 23:39.45 | alestane | Anyway, Tepetkhet, it is doable within certain constraints. |
| 23:40.04 | alestane | Just might take a while to get your brain around the various prerequisites. |
| 23:44.13 | Tepetkhet | Yeah... |
| 23:56.09 | foxlit | There is no breadcrumb out of Kelp Forest? |
| 23:56.41 | ZorbaTHut | error 770, user is lonely |
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