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| 00:08.46 | Jerub | MoonWitch: druids are awesome tanks |
| 00:09.17 | MoonWitch | Jerub: I'm having trouble doing decent dps as feral (but I'm lvl32) |
| 00:09.43 | MoonWitch | so a guildie suggested going tank, he always played a dps - tried tanking as bear and never looked back. |
| 00:10.24 | Jerub | MoonWitch: feral dps is the most fun and most hard spec in the game imho |
| 00:10.34 | MoonWitch | that explains it :P |
| 00:10.39 | Jerub | MoonWitch: but feral tanking is 4 buttons and easysauce. |
| 00:10.44 | MoonWitch | (I actually suck at any form of melee dps) |
| 00:11.17 | MoonWitch | really? |
| 00:11.35 | Jerub | MoonWitch: yeah, my main is a bear |
| 00:11.37 | MoonWitch | feral faerie, swipe, maul? |
| 00:11.44 | MoonWitch | and growl* |
| 00:11.53 | Jerub | ohh, sorry, got all those utility ones. |
| 00:12.06 | Jerub | but for just standing there and tanking it's mangle, FFF, lacerate, swipe |
| 00:12.12 | Jerub | and all 4 of those are macroed to turn maul on |
| 00:12.22 | MoonWitch | hey, I'm only lvl32 :P |
| 00:12.28 | MoonWitch | I don't have lacerate yet |
| 00:12.32 | Jerub | yeah, i know :P |
| 00:12.47 | Jerub | i only really started tanking at 80 |
| 00:13.29 | MoonWitch | I found levelling that druid harder than any other class |
| 00:13.49 | Jerub | i levelled as feral dps |
| 00:13.55 | Jerub | wasn't so bad, good for soloing |
| 00:14.00 | MoonWitch | unless I'm instancing but then they all want me to heal |
| 00:14.10 | Jerub | hitting barkskin and popping out of form to heal was the most annoying part |
| 00:14.16 | foxlit | Hm, "Missions Completed: 25 / 26" << myserious. |
| 00:14.25 | MoonWitch | lol |
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| 00:15.02 | MoonWitch | Lopeppeppy :) |
| 00:15.11 | MoonWitch | Ok, let's get this done |
| 00:15.33 | MoonWitch | tackles Cairenn and Seerah, while dragging Lopeppeppy with her. Now all 4 ladies are on a pile. |
| 00:15.39 | MoonWitch | Voila - the night is made! |
| 00:15.49 | Cairenn | hehhehe |
| 00:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | But why is the rum gone? |
| 00:16.14 | MoonWitch | it's ok, we've got vodka, whiskey and cookies! |
| 00:17.58 | MoonWitch | and I have water.... |
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| 00:20.01 | Cairenn | But why is the rum gone?! |
| 00:20.09 | MoonWitch | alestane drank it! |
| 00:20.19 | Cairenn | tackles alestane |
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| 00:22.34 | Kaw_ | hey guys |
| 00:22.42 | Kaw_ | could someone please tell me the font string for WatchFrame |
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| 00:24.08 | Lopeppeppy_ | Frak. This is not going to be my night. |
| 00:26.31 | Jerub | MoonWitch: fwiw, the macroing to maul thing is probably not something you should do until level 60+ where rage comes from a fountain |
| 00:27.22 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 00:27.34 | MoonWitch | my druid is generally rage starving still |
| 00:27.37 | Kaw_ | moonwitch, remember me? |
| 00:27.47 | MoonWitch | Kaw, yes I do |
| 00:28.02 | Jerub | MoonWitch: the rage fountain is delicious |
| 00:28.10 | Kaw_ | would you know the fontstring for WatchFrame? (the quest frame) i am trying to make an addon ;) |
| 00:28.32 | MoonWitch | you mean the exact name of the WatcherFrame? |
| 00:29.07 | Kaw_ | well i am trying to change the font of the watchframe |
| 00:29.10 | Kaw_ | and dont know how to |
| 00:29.57 | MoonWitch | ah ... |
| 00:30.06 | MoonWitch | Not sure to be honest |
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| 00:31.08 | Lopeppeppy | I am a yo yo. |
| 00:31.39 | MoonWitch | WatchFrameTitle and WatchFrameLine..i (where i changes based on the linenumber) |
| 00:31.42 | MoonWitch | I think |
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| 00:34.43 | alestane | ~staple Lopeppeppy |
| 00:34.44 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Lopeppeppy quite well, and hands Lopeppeppy to alestane |
| 00:35.30 | MoonWitch | sorry Kaw_ I can't seem to find it either |
| 00:35.36 | alestane | I wouldn't drink all the rum, Cairenn. I might make Dark'n'Stormies though, want one? |
| 00:35.57 | Cairenn | sure :) |
| 00:36.05 | Cairenn | what's in those, anyway? ;) |
| 00:36.13 | Kaw_ | moonwitch i found this : http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info15780-WhoFramedWatcherWabbit.html will try to mess with it ;) |
| 00:37.07 | alestane | One part dark rum, two parts good ginger beer (soda) and a twist of lime, Cairenn. |
| 00:37.28 | Cairenn | ah |
| 00:37.30 | alestane | http://www.facebook.com/pages/OMG-the-stupid-it-burns/114037631982206 |
| 00:37.37 | alestane | I like the name. |
| 00:39.36 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:40.16 | MoonWitch | Kaw_ WatchFontTemplate:SetFont("font") perhaps? |
| 00:41.06 | alestane | *snrk* http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-19114.html |
| 00:41.42 | Kaw_ | and erm no that broke the addon |
| 00:41.46 | Kaw_ | but i found something that works |
| 00:41.56 | Kaw_ | WatchFrameTitle:SetFont works:) |
| 00:42.36 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how long i have to wait before i can get a 3D tablet |
| 00:43.00 | alestane | I want that thing Tony Stark uses. |
| 00:43.06 | Wobin | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-5000-open-source-java.html |
| 00:45.18 | Thunder_Child | alestane: yes, but the next bes thing is glasses and gloves |
| 00:45.22 | Thunder_Child | best* |
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| 00:46.40 | Lunessa | station |
| 00:46.50 | Lopeppeppy | re-hello |
| 00:47.43 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://www.screencast.com/users/PennyWyatt/folders/Jing/media/eb4a22d5-7d1a-4923-96f8-7bdbe8df10c0 |
| 00:47.57 | Cairenn | awwwwww |
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| 00:51.29 | Wobin | ahaha http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/the-best-of-wookieleaks |
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| 00:51.42 | alestane | I don't *think* that's a tanuki...feel like I should recognize it though. |
| 00:51.59 | Wobin | does it have giant balls? |
| 00:52.28 | Wobin | alestane: it's a red panda |
| 00:53.28 | Wimpeh` | Kaw_: KAWKAW IM A PARROT |
| 00:53.34 | Wobin | http://tigertailfoods.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/red_panda_close_up.jpg |
| 00:53.52 | Wimpeh` | Wobin: It wants to eat me |
| 00:53.52 | Wimpeh` | :( |
| 00:54.16 | Kaw_ | lol linuss? |
| 00:54.33 | alestane | http://machall.com/view.php?date=2003-09-22 |
| 00:55.56 | DWSR | Hey, to everyone who's beat the SC2 campaign yet, did you choose Tosh or Nova? |
| 00:56.05 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I |
| 00:56.07 | Adys | that is AWESOME |
| 00:56.37 | Wobin | hehe welcome to last year =) |
| 00:56.49 | Wobin | (but yes, Axis of Awesome is awesome) |
| 00:56.56 | foxlit | DWSR: Nova. |
| 00:57.03 | DWSR | foxlit: Why? |
| 00:57.17 | foxlit | Compelling argument. |
| 00:58.19 | DWSR | Meh, but why not let the murderous psychopath out of the box? ;) |
| 00:58.27 | DWSR | I'm really looking at Spectres vs. Ghsots. |
| 00:58.29 | DWSR | Ghosts* |
| 00:59.26 | foxlit | What do spectres do, anyway? |
| 00:59.35 | DWSR | Stun vs. Snipe |
| 00:59.44 | DWSR | Seems to be the only difference. |
| 00:59.57 | DWSR | I'ma help the murdering psychopath. :) |
| 00:59.59 | DWSR | It'll be fun! |
| 01:00.49 | foxlit | Nova's mission was also a bit more fun, but you couldn't know that at the time. |
| 01:01.31 | DWSR | anyway. |
| 01:01.40 | DWSR | What's her mission? |
| 01:01.46 | DWSR | Tosh's is like "KILL A LOT OF STUFF A LOT" |
| 01:01.51 | DWSR | Or so it would appear, anyway. |
| 01:02.03 | foxlit | blow up a few key structures |
| 01:02.47 | foxlit | Wonder what the spectre armory upgrades are |
| 01:04.47 | DWSR | wow. |
| 01:04.55 | DWSR | tosh's mission seems either really hard, or I'm just really impatient. |
| 01:04.57 | DWSR | Probably both. |
| 01:05.43 | DWSR | foxlit: You done both missions? |
| 01:05.51 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 01:06.23 | DWSR | How the balls do you get past the seige tank? |
| 01:06.30 | DWSR | Stun shield run? |
| 01:06.59 | foxlit | Shield and take out the turret. |
| 01:07.48 | DWSR | Ah, I see. |
| 01:10.25 | Shirik | :/ |
| 01:10.26 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=376010282&oldid=375349155 |
| 01:10.54 | Wobin | Shirik: lolllollllolol |
| 01:10.59 | Cide | Shirik, get a chance to play yet? |
| 01:11.04 | Shirik | not online :( |
| 01:11.15 | Cide | well I have the us game now too |
| 01:11.18 | Cide | so whenever you're up for it |
| 01:11.23 | Shirik | yes! |
| 01:11.30 | Shirik | let me get all setted up |
| 01:11.33 | foxlit | DWSR: In general, I think that's probably the worst mission in terms of making it clear what you're supposed to do |
| 01:11.41 | alestane | I researched Perdition turrets and then forgot to try and build them...are they an SCV construction? |
| 01:11.48 | |Jelly| | lol@town-in-a-box |
| 01:12.06 | Cide | ok |
| 01:12.34 | Ressy | town in a box rocks |
| 01:12.44 | Zyn | alestane : yes |
| 01:13.30 | cloudwolf | honestly lol@ half of the goblin zone |
| 01:13.48 | DWSR | foxlit: Actually I don't find this to be too bad |
| 01:15.12 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/593/ |
| 01:16.31 | Shirik | Cide! |
| 01:16.35 | Cide | ok |
| 01:16.37 | Cide | toilet break first |
| 01:16.38 | Cide | and some water |
| 01:18.29 | Shirik | ok |
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| 01:25.32 | eidolarr | http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-5000-open-source-java.html |
| 01:28.47 | Dashkal | Shirik: nice blog post. But I can't help but mutter under my breath: java.lang.reflect.AccessibleObject |
| 01:31.53 | Cide | pretty sure adding that to every object is harder than writing a simple perl script |
| 01:31.59 | Cide | unless I'm misunderstanding how it's used |
| 01:32.47 | Dashkal | Cide: Using reflection (in the absence of a security manager preventing it) you can ignore private flags. setAccessable(true); |
| 01:32.54 | Cide | yes |
| 01:33.08 | Cide | but maybe adding that in intelligently is harder than just removing "final" |
| 01:33.27 | Dashkal | You use it only when you need to break the lock. If the code is so locked down that you have to run it through the script, I'd suspect the code is crap. |
| 01:33.37 | Dashkal | Honestly, it's come up exactly once for me. |
| 01:34.22 | Dashkal | Oh yeah, doesn't apply to final. final sucks for most use cases. |
| 01:35.54 | Shadowed | Is that final Dashkal |
| 01:35.56 | eidolarr | final is awesome idk what you're talking about |
| 01:36.36 | eidolarr | oh Shirik I found some funny C++ slides |
| 01:36.48 | eidolarr | i thinkt hey were on HN yesterday |
| 01:37.49 | eidolarr | Shirik: http://www.fefe.de/c++/c%2b%2b-talk.pdf |
| 01:37.56 | alestane | Seems to me that if you release code as open source, you can't really Kvetch that someone else releases modifications to it if the license allows that. |
| 01:37.57 | eidolarr | unfair because no one is that bad a coder but still funny |
| 01:38.24 | Lopeppeppy | bitching about stuff is never about whether you *should* whine or not... |
| 01:38.33 | eidolarr | alestane: you talking about the link I posted? |
| 01:38.48 | alestane | The wikileaks thing. |
| 01:39.10 | Shadowed | That entire article is pretty awesome |
| 01:39.15 | Shadowed | "Here, I worked hard on this. I hope you like it. But use it exactly how I tell you to use it, because fuck you, it's my code. I'll decide who's the goddamn grown-up around here." " |
| 01:39.30 | eidolarr | well it's satire so hopefully it isn't totally coherent =D |
| 01:39.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, you mean like iPhones, right? |
| 01:39.45 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent! |
| 01:39.48 | alestane | The whole "If I give you a house and put the title in your name, I should still expect that you will never ever open any doors that I marked 'employees only' before I gave it to you" thing. |
| 01:40.00 | eidolarr | yeah lol that was my favorite part |
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| 01:40.25 | eidolarr | "They have no right to do this. Open Source does not mean the source is somehow 'open'. That's my code, not theirs. If I make something private, it means that no matter how desperately you need to call it, I should be able to prevent you from doing so, even long after I've gone to the grave." |
| 01:40.29 | Dashkal | The only case I've seen for final (aside from the aformentioned closure bs) is for making closed type families (useful for reasoning about code in some cases) |
| 01:40.53 | eidolarr | you should read Effective Java, it's very good |
| 01:41.19 | Dashkal | Nah. I quit being a Java developer when oracle took over. I do PHP for a living and Haskell for fun. |
| 01:41.31 | eidolarr | do they balance out? |
| 01:41.43 | Dashkal | Does seem to keep my karma neutral |
| 01:42.25 | xyphoid | i wish steve yegge would blog more |
| 01:42.29 | xyphoid | it was nice seeing that pop up |
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| 01:42.51 | eidolarr | I hope he writes more about emacs, I found effective emacs to be a very helpful blog entry |
| 01:44.05 | eidolarr | Dashkal: If you don't buy into Java's enforce-abstraction-with-compiler mindset then final isn't that great, but when it's used consistently and reasonably, it makes code easier to understand and debug |
| 01:44.22 | Arrowmaster | that blogspot post was a troll right? |
| 01:44.43 | Dashkal | eidolarr: It can be amazing when used right. It usually isn't in my experience. |
| 01:44.54 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: yeah, satire |
| 01:44.55 | Dashkal | eidolarr: I write haskell now. Immutability is king. |
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| 01:45.18 | eidolarr | I actually don't know haskell, I know ML and haven't found many uses for functional programming outside of school |
| 01:45.21 | Dashkal | A-KO^: I can't help but wonder what the point of the mask is when you do that from time to time. |
| 01:45.24 | eidolarr | I sort of wish I did though |
| 01:45.53 | Dashkal | eidolarr: The benifit of Haskell's type system is that many many kinds of bugs are simply impossible. As in: won't compile due to type error. |
| 01:46.01 | Dashkal | Also, spreading to multiple cores is dead easy. |
| 01:46.17 | eidolarr | yeah, ML too, all of those rigorously typed languages are nice like that |
| 01:46.37 | Arrowmaster | does it being a functional language have anything to do with it being easier to do multithreading with? |
| 01:46.53 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 01:46.55 | Dashkal | The thing keeping me from using Haskell in my professional life is the lack of enough programmers qualified to work with it. The code might as well be written in COBOL |
| 01:47.09 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: immutability, idempotency |
| 01:47.15 | eidolarr | since functional is often stateless, and recurrences are often easier to parallelize |
| 01:47.26 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: When you know a value won't change, and that a function called with the same args returns the same result, it's much safer to run in parallel |
| 01:48.00 | Dashkal | I'm simplifying here a bit |
| 01:48.09 | eidolarr | you have to try really hard to introduce concurrency bugs into functional languages |
| 01:48.21 | Kaw_ | hello! could anyone please help me out! im trying to modify the font in the WatchFrame, could someone please suggest how to do so |
| 01:48.36 | Dashkal | The only times I've managed it so far is by using algorithms intended for imperative/mutable languages. |
| 01:48.44 | Adys | ~ping |
| 01:48.58 | purl | ~pong |
| 01:48.59 | Arrowmaster | im guessing it has to have an argument passing mechanic closer to ruby than lua right? i dont know how you could wrap your brain around functional programming without named arguments |
| 01:48.59 | eidolarr | Law_: well, do you know the name of the fontstring? |
| 01:49.09 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: not really |
| 01:49.21 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: Actually, named arguments would be bad in Haskell. Currying is amazingly handy. Partial application of a function. |
| 01:49.30 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 01:49.43 | eidolarr | here's factorial in ML: |
| 01:49.43 | Kaw_ | the name of the fontstring is what im am trying to find out |
| 01:49.51 | eidolarr | fun fact 0 = 1 |
| 01:49.59 | eidolarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.18 | eidolarr | the programs end up kind of cute |
| 01:50.19 | Kaw_ | i have been trying to find the font string for an hour now. |
| 01:50.52 | Jerub | eidolarr: will infinitely recurse if give n<1 |
| 01:50.52 | Jerub | er n<0 |
| 01:50.52 | eidolarr | Kaw_: have you tried looking inside of the FrameXML code? |
| 01:50.52 | Kaw_ | http://pastey.net/139039 - my code. infact i found one font string which modifies the title of the watch frame |
| 01:50.53 | eidolarr | yeah but factorial is undefined for n<0 |
| 01:51.23 | Dashkal | Does ML have bottom? |
| 01:51.43 | eidolarr | what would it be if it had it? |
| 01:51.52 | Dashkal | error "", undefined, etc |
| 01:52.00 | Dashkal | the result of 1/0 |
| 01:52.12 | eidolarr | oh, no |
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| 01:52.21 | eidolarr | I think it's an error if you have ad ivision that may result in x/0 |
| 01:52.25 | eidolarr | a compile time error |
| 01:52.28 | Arrowmaster | Kaw_: GameFontHighlight |
| 01:52.32 | eidolarr | but i'm not sure, it's been awhile |
| 01:53.05 | Dashkal | *nods* Haskell does do bottom. Similar to an exception, but significantly more harsh (you can't compare to it, or catch it anywhere outside of IO) |
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| 01:55.58 | eidolarr | I find languages like ML and Haskell awesome for the small subset of problems they're really meant for, and a little bit hackish eveywhere else |
| 01:56.30 | cogwheel | check out F# |
| 01:56.33 | Dashkal | It tends to get hackish when you interface with things not designed for that kind of programming (basically every single UI toolkit) |
| 01:56.43 | cogwheel | it's got the feel of ML, but also integrates well with OO |
| 01:56.56 | Kaw_ | Arrowmaster: it worked, but now when i mouse over something, like a quest in my quest frame. that font appears there too |
| 01:56.56 | Dashkal | OO is a concept I'm no longer fond of. |
| 01:57.03 | eidolarr | yeah I've heard good things abuot F# but I don't have a MS development suite set up |
| 01:58.06 | Dashkal | More specifically, inheritance is a concept I'm no longer fond of. |
| 01:58.11 | cogwheel | yes. |
| 01:58.24 | cogwheel | most 'best practices' favor composition over inheritance these days |
| 01:59.09 | cogwheel | one thing I love about c++ is that it allows you to keep classes minimal |
| 01:59.13 | Dashkal | But then, mutability is a concept I strive to avoid now. Amazing how little you miss it once you've really got the idea. |
| 01:59.24 | cogwheel | most methods can be implemented as free functions that act on a variety of classes |
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| 01:59.45 | xyphoid | inheritance causes so much brain damage when people are taught inheritance first |
| 01:59.48 | cogwheel | goes back to Lost Vikings |
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| 01:59.56 | Dashkal | I still make use of it for looping and the like (folds without laziness and tailcalls are an excercise in crap performance) |
| 02:00.19 | Dashkal | Not to mention out of stack space errors |
| 02:02.17 | alestane | Composition gives up a concept of shared identity, as far as I can tell. |
| 02:03.29 | Dashkal | Shared identity can be maintained by way of interfaces. |
| 02:04.01 | cogwheel | alestane: the problem is that a lot of times people overuse shared identity |
| 02:04.01 | alestane | Okay, the article I found on the difference left those for some other time. |
| 02:04.52 | cogwheel | like trying to make a circle class that derives from ellipse. A circle isn't an ellipse in the same way a cat is an animal. |
| 02:05.46 | eidolarr | why not |
| 02:06.24 | alestane | You should be able to make a functional circle as a special case of an ellipse, but you can typically optimize it in certain ways if you know it's a circle that you can't for an ellipse. |
| 02:06.28 | cogwheel | a circle is a set of possible instances of ellipse |
| 02:06.41 | cogwheel | s/a circle is/circles are/ |
| 02:06.58 | cogwheel | the concept ellipse includes the circle directly |
| 02:07.07 | alestane | Any circle satisfies all requirements to be described as an ellipse. |
| 02:07.10 | eidolarr | right, so? |
| 02:07.14 | Jerub | composition makes perfect sense in some circumstances, especially with gui stuff. |
| 02:07.29 | cogwheel | eidolarr: that's not what inheritance describes |
| 02:07.36 | Jerub | because you can have a frame that contains a window that contains a box that contains a bunch of text fields and they contain font renders |
| 02:07.45 | cogwheel | inheritance describes an object having some of the same conceptual characteristics |
| 02:07.59 | cogwheel | not a particular set of values for those characteristics |
| 02:08.00 | Jerub | but it's important to note that the methods you need are things like visible() and render() and remove() |
| 02:08.17 | Jerub | not radius() or fontsize(), they can be implementation specific |
| 02:08.42 | eidolarr | forgoing all the philosophical talk I don't see why a circle can'c subclass an ellupse |
| 02:08.46 | eidolarr | ellipse |
| 02:08.52 | cogwheel | eidolarr: and that's the problem |
| 02:08.58 | alestane | A circle is a slightly odd case because it actually requires less information, not more, to implement or describe. A circle actually has fewer properties. |
| 02:09.00 | cogwheel | there's a really long article on it somewhere |
| 02:09.14 | eidolarr | well that's not very convincing |
| 02:09.18 | cogwheel | alestane: but it illustrates the point i was trying to make... |
| 02:09.39 | cogwheel | eidolarr: i only mean to say that I'd rather go back to my game than try harder to convince you :P |
| 02:10.20 | NightHawkTheSane | is vnc'd into his mac pro, which is remote desktop'd into his mac mini. |
| 02:10.24 | NightHawkTheSane | feels very meta |
| 02:10.35 | alestane | Conceptually, a circle doesn't require any additional definitions...but in terms of performance, I think quite a bit of the math gets simpler when you're dealing with a circle, so you might want a specialized implementation in practice. |
| 02:10.38 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: one of them should be in a VM imo |
| 02:10.45 | Jerub | it's OSX |
| 02:10.49 | cogwheel | alestane: exactly |
| 02:10.50 | Jerub | you can't without being a Naughty Boy |
| 02:11.01 | cogwheel | where you would derive both circle and ellipse from a shape |
| 02:11.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: you can |
| 02:11.09 | eidolarr | cogwheel: well you could link the article or at least describe it |
| 02:11.14 | NightHawkTheSane | if the hardware is a mac. |
| 02:11.16 | cogwheel | eidolarr: i know i'm googling -_- |
| 02:11.23 | cogwheel | and typing slow |
| 02:11.24 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:11.52 | cogwheel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle-ellipse_problem |
| 02:11.58 | cogwheel | hey look ... it's got a wiki page :) |
| 02:12.01 | eidolarr | is composition an answer? |
| 02:12.33 | cogwheel | eidolarr: no... i was carrying on from "the problem is that a lot of times people overuse shared identity" |
| 02:12.42 | alestane | But since a circle does indeed satisfy all the conditions of an ellipse, you should be able to supply a circle anywhere an ellipse is specified, which you can't do if they inherit independently from Shape. |
| 02:13.18 | Jerub | isn't the problem that you should just fix the ellipse api so that it's easy to do circle stuff? |
| 02:13.37 | cogwheel | anywhere except the places that need to know ellipses aren't symmetrical in all directions... |
| 02:13.55 | cogwheel | (or anything that changes the size of the ellipse |
| 02:14.04 | cogwheel | and doesn't expect the dimensions to be dependent |
| 02:14.40 | cogwheel | if you want a circle that is an ellipse, you make a CreateCircle function or a constructor that takes a single radius parameter |
| 02:15.14 | cogwheel | or if you want circles to be treated specially, you make a separate sibling class to ellipse |
| 02:15.35 | alestane | In which case, any method that you want to optimize for circles needs to check specifically if the foci are congruent. |
| 02:15.43 | Jerub | then it turns out that ellipses are special case of arcs |
| 02:15.44 | Jerub | :P |
| 02:16.38 | cogwheel | the difference between an animal and a dog is that dog not only specializes the concepts of animal but also adds a lot of its own concepts. With circle, you're not actually adding any new concept (as alestane alluded to). In fact you're removing one. |
| 02:16.40 | eidolarr | cogwheel: this seems like more of a mutability problem |
| 02:16.53 | cogwheel | eidolarr: no it's a mental model problem |
| 02:17.02 | cogwheel | the concept of inheritance doesn't fit what i just described |
| 02:17.28 | cogwheel | the problem is that "is a" has more than one meaning in English |
| 02:17.28 | eidolarr | suppose the circle is immutable |
| 02:17.48 | eidolarr | wouldn't that solve the problem? |
| 02:17.59 | eidolarr | in the wiki example, if stretchX returns a new instance of Ellipse |
| 02:18.07 | eidolarr | and you do something similar, doesn't that solve the problem? |
| 02:18.17 | alestane | The other approach you can take is to implement Circle as a subclass of Ellipse private to Ellipse, and give Ellipse an instantiator that actually returns a circle, but references it as an Ellipse. This allows a specialized implementation to be used without requiring the user to be aware of it. However, I don't think C++ gives us a good way to do that. |
| 02:18.23 | eidolarr | not that "make everything immutable" is much of a solution |
| 02:18.37 | cogwheel | eidolarr: if you're using references and something is storing a circle and you give it back an ellipse, then it won't be happy |
| 02:18.41 | cogwheel | references/pointers |
| 02:19.10 | xyphoid | i think the main thing to take away from the circle/ellipse discussion is that our intuitive ideas about what's a subtype aren't that reliable |
| 02:19.17 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 02:19.33 | alestane | Cocoa actually does that a lot. When you ask NSString to allocate a new instance, it actually returns an instance of one of its private subclasses. |
| 02:19.50 | eidolarr | but is that a result of mutable data, or a fundamental problem with our understanding of subtypes? |
| 02:20.02 | eidolarr | I'm suspicious because this problem appears wholly solved by using immutable objects |
| 02:20.23 | cogwheel | eidolarr: that _example_ appears wholly solved by using immutable objects |
| 02:21.23 | eidolarr | I guess this is what I'm getting at: mutable objects make OO abstractions murkier in general, is this just a special case of that? |
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| 02:22.55 | xyphoid | the other thing is that how you build your inheritance hierarchies depends really heavily on how you intend to use these objects - a Circle in your app may or may not have all the behaviour of a real life circle. there are lots of ways to fix the issue depending on what you actually need circles for |
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| 02:24.47 | cogwheel | eidolarr: i think i agree but from a perpendicular direction. The first major OO languages were built around mutability. Today, programmers borrow techniques (and more languages implement them) from functional style languages. |
| 02:25.09 | cogwheel | So yes, many OO concepts go away when you think about problems from a different point of view |
| 02:26.04 | cogwheel | actually now that I think about it, the way you're describing the solution suggests NOT deriving a class from ellipse |
| 02:27.45 | Kraps | Kraps' dad: hey, why dont you look at the news, dont you want to know whats going on in the world? |
| 02:27.58 | Kraps | http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/28/new.york.teen.911.mom/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/28/fbi.tests.cheating/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn |
| 02:28.10 | Kraps | no dad, no |
| 02:28.10 | Adys | YES |
| 02:28.29 | Adys | got audio recording working :) |
| 02:29.13 | Adys | parec -d alsa_output.usb-Creative_Technology_Creative_USB_Headset-00-Headset.iec958-stereo.monitor | sox -t raw -r 44k -sLb 16 -c 2 - "$1" |
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| 02:33.41 | Kraps | is rewatching Firefly |
| 02:35.16 | Thunder_Child | that wont take long |
| 02:35.51 | Kraps | unfortunately |
| 02:35.59 | Thunder_Child | i know :( |
| 02:37.11 | Kraps | i didnt like the movie that much, too many deaths |
| 02:39.15 | eidolarr | why did wow ever have getglobal? |
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| 02:42.35 | Wobin | frame reference |
| 02:43.05 | eidolarr | frames weren't in _G originally? |
| 02:46.06 | alestane | Originally, they weren't intending to expose _G, or they didn't in some beta versions, I forget which. |
| 02:46.51 | alestane | I believe getglobal and setglobal are actually holdovers from an earlier generation of Lua, before environments and tables were unified. |
| 02:49.18 | eidolarr | are virtual frames not put in _G? |
| 02:49.26 | alestane | They are not. |
| 02:49.52 | alestane | Template widgets are only exposed to Lua insofar as Lua can supply their names to CreateFrame as a string. |
| 02:50.20 | eidolarr | weak |
| 02:50.32 | alestane | The template system exists primarily for performance reasons and therefore is handled entirely C-side. |
| 02:51.11 | eidolarr | citation needed? |
| 02:51.47 | Hirsute | citation: alestane |
| 02:51.57 | Hirsute | Usually knows his stuff pretty well. |
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| 02:56.16 | alestane | Much of the system was designed for a day when frames were instantiated entirely via XML. CreateFrame didn't exist until around 1.10 or so. Templates were created and used from XML exclusively. |
| 02:56.50 | alestane | Lua was used only to adjudicate behaviors and responses. |
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| 02:58.14 | alestane | If you want to create a "template" in Lua, it's fairly trivial to design a constructor function that calls CreateFrame and then operates on it before returning it. |
| 02:59.49 | eidolarr | A guy wanted to change the font of all fontstrings inheriting from a template |
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| 03:00.48 | Iriel | Was the "template" a FontString or a Font? |
| 03:01.36 | Iriel | Since Font changes inherit at runtime |
| 03:02.09 | alestane | FontStrings refer to a particular Font object. |
| 03:02.34 | alestane | Modifications to the Font will propagate down to all FontStrings set to that Font. |
| 03:02.45 | alestane | (Possibly including ones in other templates.) |
| 03:03.05 | eidolarr | FontString |
| 03:04.48 | alestane | You should still be able to modify the Font object to which they refer, but there's no guarantee that it won't affect other widgets as well. |
| 03:05.35 | Kraps | "the day i kill you, you'll be awake, facing me, and armed" "are you always this sentimental?" |
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| 03:35.21 | Jerub | Shadowed: thankyou again. |
| 03:35.34 | Jerub | Shadowed: every time elitist group saves me from a scrub RL I feel so thankful. |
| 03:35.50 | Jerub | (toc25 shaman RL without a single enchant on his gear) |
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| 03:38.15 | Wimpeh` | Question, even if my account is frozen at the time being, do I still get my beta key? |
| 03:38.27 | Wimpeh` | (Seeing as I'm getting gametime as soon as possible) |
| 03:40.08 | Cide | why don't you wait and tell us your findings |
| 03:40.26 | Wimpeh` | In fear of missing the beta :( |
| 03:40.57 | Cide | in the name of science |
| 03:41.04 | Cide | I would be proud had I not been in the alpha |
| 03:41.11 | Cide | to do it |
| 03:41.55 | Wimpeh` | o.o |
| 03:42.20 | Wimpeh` | How often do these keys go out then? Is it like, once every week? |
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| 03:45.20 | Adys | Wimpeh`: the restrictions are somewhere on the cataclysm beta site |
| 03:45.35 | Adys | basically you need an active account as of somewhere in may/june iirc |
| 03:50.10 | Wimpeh` | Well, I quite 6 months ago, and came back yesterday (not added gametime yet, payment won't go through so I'm calling my bank tomorrow) |
| 03:50.23 | Wimpeh` | Does this mean I can't get a beta key even though I'm a mod author |
| 03:51.27 | Wobin | I think they mean 'active account' on wowi |
| 03:51.59 | Wobin | ie, you didn't just create a wowi account for the beta key |
| 03:52.28 | Wimpeh` | Aha |
| 03:52.37 | Wimpeh` | Nah, I signed up on WoWInterface in 2008 |
| 03:52.45 | Wobin | I think you're pretty safe there =) |
| 03:52.56 | Wimpeh` | Alright, cheers. :) |
| 03:53.40 | Wimpeh` | now, off for a well-needed shower. >:) |
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| 03:55.12 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 04:22.58 | batrick | http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Midnight_Snacks.htm (ads nsfw) |
| 04:23.05 | batrick | rofffffffffffle |
| 04:24.05 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 04:24.49 | batrick | the thinking raptor in that photo sealed the deal on that one |
| 04:25.43 | bluspacecow | he looks less like hes thinking to me |
| 04:25.54 | bluspacecow | but making that slit across the throat hand gesture |
| 04:29.26 | Shirik | sorry Cide |
| 04:29.31 | Shirik | apparently my laptop was not plugged in |
| 04:29.41 | Cide | rofl |
| 04:29.55 | Shirik | it's ok we were going to lose that anyway |
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| 04:59.34 | Dezzimal | heh midnight snacks, that use to be an internet radio show |
| 04:59.37 | Dezzimal | might still be |
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| 05:32.05 | Wobin | cog|sleep: aiee |
| 05:32.15 | Wobin | that's what happens when you play in the dark, I guess? |
| 05:32.41 | cog|sleep | >< |
| 05:32.45 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9gBGaB5bwI |
| 05:34.05 | Wobin | when -not- to hit the transpose button |
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| 08:41.26 | Vlakarados | can someone help me, please, I have a frame that has two child textures, and besides they are assigned to layers they randomly overlap each other, what can be causing this? |
| 08:54.03 | jnwhiteh | it wouldn't be random |
| 08:54.14 | jnwhiteh | if they're on the same frame, and they're on different layers, they'll always be drawn the same way |
| 08:54.18 | jnwhiteh | are you sure they're not in the same layer? |
| 08:54.24 | jnwhiteh | what layers are we talking about, as well |
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| 09:21.59 | Wobin | http://www.geekfill.com/2010/07/28/let-me-take-a-closer-look-oh-no-wtf/ |
| 09:22.02 | Wobin | holy crap |
| 09:22.24 | Cyprias | whoa |
| 09:22.28 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 09:30.40 | Wobin | hey Fisker |
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| 10:22.41 | zenzio | "Grats. You broke it. This page doesn't exist or some other horrible error occured." - no, YOU broke it, with your stupid HEY HAvE ANOTHER LOOK AT OUR SC2 INTRO SCREEN |
| 10:24.16 | cbreak_work | what's up? |
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| 10:25.27 | zenzio | seems like every time I go to one of Blizzard's different websites, they want to show me the "zomg buy SC2 now" page, and clicking the "Continue to ..." link gives me that error half the time |
| 10:28.41 | cbreak_work | their servers must be too occupied with surveiling sc2 games |
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| 10:57.58 | Kaw_ | would anyone know the fontstring for WatchFrame? |
| 10:59.14 | Maldivia | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/WatchFrame.xml should have the info |
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| 11:01.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats handy, i didnt know he had that |
| 11:01.58 | Kaw_ | i know about it and WatchFrameTemplate doesnt work |
| 11:05.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | there are several fontstrings no? |
| 11:09.38 | sylvanaar_atwork | looks complicated, and they might be unnamed |
| 11:12.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | use /framestack and see if the frame has a name |
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| 11:44.24 | Fisker | slaps sylvanaar_atwork around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:44.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | filets the trout |
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| 11:49.25 | Arrowmaster | looks like it makes use of some frame cache and are probably unnamed frames, probably impossible to change the font for just those font strings |
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| 12:05.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | thats what i got out of it |
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| 12:54.53 | Xinhuan | the thor mini-pet is crit-erroring #134 everyone - if there are 4 or 5 of them at the same time at the same place |
| 12:55.01 | Jamash | oy |
| 12:55.18 | Xinhuan | just summoned like 4 in raid and everyone crashed |
| 12:55.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | rofl |
| 12:55.37 | Lopeppeppy | that is almost hilarious. Except that it's inconvenient and evil. |
| 12:55.38 | Xinhuan | at LK25-heroic too... |
| 12:55.43 | Lopeppeppy | What does it *do* that's so crashy? |
| 12:55.43 | Xinhuan | and our gmotd is |
| 12:55.49 | Xinhuan | "MINITHORS ARE TAKINGOVER THE WORLD" |
| 12:55.55 | Xinhuan | and that's before we found the crash bug |
| 12:56.14 | Xinhuan | [20:55:36] [Raid] [Cander]: Hi, well I mutibox and have the new Thor pet on all of them. If I use say 5 in Ironforge... np, if use 5 of them outside in Dalaran ,clients crash. Not just my own, but other people close to me. |
| 12:56.18 | Xinhuan | from wow forum |
| 12:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | Is it animated in some strange way, to cause crashes? |
| 12:57.25 | Xinhuan | not sure |
| 12:57.26 | Xinhuan | well |
| 12:57.32 | Xinhuan | it doesn't crash if its just 1 or 2 |
| 12:57.36 | Xinhuan | only if there's like 4 or 5 |
| 12:57.58 | Jamash | I presume that there's too much awesome in one place for the wow engine to handle. |
| 12:58.19 | Xinhuan | now ppl can't login to LK25 lol |
| 12:58.47 | Lopeppeppy | As in, no more instances will spawn for *anyone* to enter it? Wow. |
| 12:58.50 | Lopeppeppy | Mini Thor is evil. |
| 12:59.26 | Jamash | people posting "blizzard hates 25-man raiders" in five... four... |
| 12:59.54 | Xinhuan | nah |
| 12:59.57 | Xinhuan | ppl are crit-erroring on login |
| 13:00.03 | Xinhuan | as the thors are still there |
| 13:04.19 | zenzio | do the Thor pets interact with one another? |
| 13:04.55 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/07/29/funny-pictures-restraining-order/ |
| 13:05.59 | Lopeppeppy | Poor kitten! |
| 13:08.30 | Jerub | i think i might have a problem |
| 13:08.44 | Jerub | my bear is packing 9.75% expertise but 4.39% hit |
| 13:14.04 | Jamash | you can have some of my hunter's hit rating |
| 13:14.18 | Jamash | I'm ridiculously overcapped |
| 13:14.31 | Kraps | speaking of 25 man: Lich King 25-Man No-Buff Heroic Kill by Paragon |
| 13:15.06 | Xinhuan | their gear now is more than sufficient to make up for the loss of 5% buff from their first kill ;p |
| 13:15.38 | zenzio | yeah :-| But still |
| 13:16.00 | zenzio | they seemed to say they mostly 24-manned it, since someone kept disconnecting |
| 13:19.31 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
| 13:20.51 | Xinhuan | well, 4 months of gear is a lot of difference |
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| 13:23.05 | Jerub | 4 months of steamrolling icc 25 h modes. yeah |
| 13:23.10 | Jerub | plus lots of practice |
| 13:26.07 | Kraps | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/funny-facebook-quote-fail.png?w=554&h=171 |
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| 13:28.51 | Kraps | heres some more herp for your derp http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/7/28/100-million-facebook-pages-leaked-torrent-site/ |
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| 13:34.00 | Kaw_ | hey guyss |
| 13:41.18 | TC-Away | i have no idea what to say about this http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/housemd/index.html |
| 13:41.48 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: it's lupus. |
| 13:41.56 | jnwhiteh | is the only thing that can be said. |
| 13:41.58 | Thunder_Child | ty jnwhiteh |
| 13:42.07 | industrial | >_> |
| 13:44.46 | zenzio_ | Cairenn|afk: http://hackedirl.com/2010/07/12/culture-jamming-win-trout-of-order/ |
| 13:46.46 | zenzio_ | http://hackedirl.com/2010/07/03/cutlture-jamming-graffiti-authorize-yourself/ |
| 13:46.59 | zenzio_ | why is this site better at puns than the "So much pun" site? |
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| 14:01.58 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: because they are more depraved |
| 14:02.19 | Lopeppeppy | they don't try as hard. |
| 14:03.51 | Fisker | i hate you Thunder_Child |
| 14:03.59 | Thunder_Child | ty Fisker |
| 14:04.03 | Lopeppeppy | kiss kiss, Fisker. |
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| 14:17.05 | Ackis | someone on the internet said I have no life :( |
| 14:17.07 | cog|sleep | Shirik: ding 5000 :) |
| 14:17.27 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: do you+? |
| 14:17.30 | Kaw_ | yo yo ? anyone here wants to help me out with a font string? |
| 14:17.34 | Thunder_Child | s/+// |
| 14:17.35 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: kinda |
| 14:17.46 | Ackis | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/2409-idiot-admin/ :P |
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| 14:18.32 | Krahg | Hello? |
| 14:18.37 | Lopeppeppy | Morning |
| 14:18.44 | Krahg | wow! real peopl?! |
| 14:18.48 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 14:18.51 | Krahg | oh |
| 14:18.57 | Thunder_Child | all AI's |
| 14:19.06 | Krahg | figures, everytime I turn to Irc I get nothing. |
| 14:19.07 | Shirik | cogwheel: nice |
| 14:19.10 | Shirik | ~wiki bramen |
| 14:19.31 | Thunder_Child | breakfast for you Shirik? |
| 14:19.41 | Shirik | I eated it |
| 14:19.56 | Krahg | So I have a question about my add-on (or add-ons) |
| 14:20.18 | cogwheel | asking it would've implied that fact |
| 14:20.19 | cogwheel | :P |
| 14:20.31 | Krahg | I posted them on Curse and Wowinterface and I think it automaticly went to Wowace. |
| 14:20.51 | Krahg | Can someone recommend a way to just upload once and got to all sites? |
| 14:21.11 | cbreak_work | burn it on a DVD and put copy protection on it. |
| 14:21.21 | cbreak_work | it'll be on piratebay before you start to distribute it. |
| 14:21.35 | Ackis | Krahg: you can post them to CurseForge or WoWAce and it'll distribute to Curse |
| 14:21.38 | Krahg | Heh, that's probably ture. |
| 14:21.43 | Thunder_Child | you might be able to make a script for it but Curse != Wowi |
| 14:22.04 | Krahg | Sorry, I upload to CurseForge, it goes to Curse from there automatically. |
| 14:22.37 | Lopeppeppy | Since they're different sites with different systems, I think you need to visit each one and upload to it. :) |
| 14:23.25 | Krahg | Nice. |
| 14:24.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.tgdaily.com/security-brief/50862-as-many-as-4-million-people-downloaded-data-stealing-android-app |
| 14:24.06 | Krahg | @Akis: Are you the same one whose add-on helped me collect every enchant in the game? |
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| 14:24.35 | Krahg | except the AQ ones :( |
| 14:24.46 | Ackis | Krahg: aye, Ackis Recipe List, now maintained by Torhal and pompy with me butting in every now and then |
| 14:25.48 | Krahg | I learned a lot from that Add-on, going through some of the code. |
| 14:26.23 | Ackis | I learned a lot while writing it, and rewriting it, and rewriting it, and rewriting it, and then watching Torhal rewrite it, and then watching Torhal rewrite it again |
| 14:26.25 | Krahg | Well to be honest, I try and learn something from all the add-on I download. |
| 14:26.48 | Ackis | that's how a lot of people have learned by reading other peoples code |
| 14:26.58 | Krahg | My add-on is really simple compared to some of the major add-on. |
| 14:27.33 | Krahg | Took me days to get a button in the game :) and then more time just to make that button do anything. |
| 14:28.27 | Krahg | My first add-on was just a long script that reset all my hotkeys everytime I deleted the WTF folder. (it's not useful these days, since all that is server side now) |
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| 14:28.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | i mostly took existing addons and added to them |
| 14:29.56 | sylvanaar_atwork | its nice to start with something that works |
| 14:30.28 | Krahg | Hmm, I rewrote parts of Auctionator to make me happy. |
| 14:32.27 | Krahg | I am also working on learning tables and lists so I can add my own data to database files. I am sure it has something to do with WowAce libs, but I am not sure how to work with those. |
| 14:34.06 | Krahg | I managed to add 'Nests" to Gathermate as a treasure type and then added the locations of the nest for instance, but I did that in the actual code and created a custom WTF file. I am not sure how to make that an add-on so that someone else could download my addition and use it with Gathermate... if that makes sense. |
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| 14:36.31 | Krahg | So, a question for the players here in the Cata Beta. I have read that actual add-ons are disabled currently, however is it possible to use manual entry to manipulate the Default UI? |
| 14:36.53 | Krahg | For instance /run CreateFrame(... and that kind of thing. |
| 14:36.59 | Ackis | that's disabled too |
| 14:37.47 | Krahg | The whole /run set of stuff? |
| 14:38.05 | Ackis | run, dump and script iirc |
| 14:38.23 | Krahg | Well... |
| 14:38.39 | nicoli_s | they even disabled the addon in a macro stuff right? |
| 14:38.55 | Krahg | Oh god I would die without macros |
| 14:39.25 | Ackis | not sure, all I've done in beta is sit on my spectral tiger in dalaran... |
| 14:40.10 | Lopeppeppy | Bad ackis, no kitty |
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| 14:40.56 | Ressy | They disabled everything. |
| 14:41.03 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I have the spectral kitten too |
| 14:41.22 | Krahg | I have no tigers :( |
| 14:41.51 | Krahg | No kittens either. |
| 14:42.17 | Ackis | I redeemed my spectral kitten about 3 days before I stopped playing lol |
| 14:42.30 | Krahg | You no longer play? |
| 14:42.36 | Ackis | nope |
| 14:42.47 | Krahg | Temp sabatacal (sp?) or perm attempt to quit? |
| 14:42.47 | batbot | Krahg, nothing found. |
| 14:42.52 | Ackis | keep wanting to come back but stopping myself |
| 14:42.59 | Ackis | it's been since octoberish |
| 14:43.07 | Ackis | I have an xbox 360 which keeps me amused |
| 14:43.18 | Krahg | I managed to make it from the end of BC to Pandarin Monk |
| 14:43.38 | Krahg | Who can turn down a Pandarin Monk? I had to come back after that :) |
| 14:44.08 | Krahg | Since you said October, I assume you turned down one though. |
| 14:44.33 | Ackis | weren't those in the blizz store? |
| 14:44.55 | Krahg | Yes, they are 10 USD (real money, not gold) |
| 14:45.17 | Ackis | yeah I recall seeing them |
| 14:45.23 | Krahg | At the time half of that went to Make A Wish, but not I think it's all Blizzards money now. |
| 14:47.56 | Cairenn|afk | Wobin: awwww |
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| 14:57.21 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: you may be right... sometimes trying hard gives good results, but usually not for humour |
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| 14:59.43 | Lopeppeppy | mostly for churning butter. |
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| 15:02.33 | zenzelezz | mostly ;-o |
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| 15:13.06 | abra | im looking through the widgit function list on wowprogramming.com and i'm not able to figure out how to keep a frame from exceeding the boudaries of its parent. |
| 15:16.50 | abra | im adding status bars dynamically to a frame that is a child of a frame(meterFrame). when i get enough status bars added, they will start to appear outside the boundaries of the meterFrame. i want them to only be visible if meterFrame is resized to allow for it. anyone know what im talking about? |
| 15:17.35 | Krahg | Hmm, what you say makes sense to me Abra I understand the question. |
| 15:17.49 | abra | do i need to include code checking the size of meterFrame before i build the status bars that would exceed it? |
| 15:18.01 | Krahg | My guess would be yess |
| 15:18.02 | abra | and then only build them when there is room? |
| 15:18.26 | abra | that seems wrong, judging from frames ive seen. |
| 15:19.00 | jnwhiteh | there's no clipping in WoW frames |
| 15:19.03 | jnwhiteh | unfortunately |
| 15:19.24 | Krahg | If the question is does the API include the boundry checking you want, then I do not know the answer. |
| 15:19.28 | jnwhiteh | what you could do is use a scrollframe, with a scrollchild and make all your status bars children of the scroll child |
| 15:19.38 | jnwhiteh | a ScrollFrame provides clipping. |
| 15:19.43 | jnwhiteh | and would get you 90% of what you want. |
| 15:19.49 | abra | hmm |
| 15:19.53 | jnwhiteh | especially if its anchored intelligently |
| 15:20.06 | abra | i have some scroll frames in use.. i could pretty easily try that. |
| 15:20.18 | jnwhiteh | just try the following |
| 15:20.23 | jnwhiteh | if you have frame 'A' |
| 15:20.27 | jnwhiteh | which is currently the parent of the contents |
| 15:20.34 | jnwhiteh | make a frame 'B', setAllPoints'd to A |
| 15:20.43 | jnwhiteh | give it a new frame 'C' as the scrollchild |
| 15:20.59 | abra | then create the status bars as children of c |
| 15:21.01 | jnwhiteh | and change your code so the sub-frames of A are instead parented/anchored to C |
| 15:21.13 | abra | ok, sec. |
| 15:21.18 | Fisker | parents to jnwhiteh |
| 15:22.09 | Ackis | http://iamhilarious.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/comic-sans.jpg |
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| 15:30.59 | Cide | who the fuck puts up "We are a Fortune 500 Company"? |
| 15:31.09 | Cide | that guy (yes it's a guy) must be a fucking douche |
| 15:31.16 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 15:31.25 | Cide | unless it was jnwhiteh |
| 15:31.33 | jnwhiteh | I AM A FORTUNE 500 PERSON |
| 15:31.33 | Cide | in which case I retract my statement in fear of getting banned |
| 15:32.00 | jnwhiteh | like I need an excuse like that to ban you =) |
| 15:32.46 | Cide | lol |
| 15:32.47 | Cide | you have a point |
| 15:32.52 | Cide | bring it on |
| 15:32.59 | jnwhiteh | I'm too lazy. |
| 15:33.04 | Cide | phew |
| 15:33.10 | jnwhiteh | kicking you is much more fun |
| 15:34.03 | Cide | I rarely get kicked |
| 15:34.05 | Cide | you must be lazy |
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| 15:34.44 | Tepetkhet | Hello there. |
| 15:35.13 | Cide | hi |
| 15:35.17 | Cide | long time no see, jnwhiteh |
| 15:35.43 | Cide | hilarious how sc2 overheats your gpu when not in game |
| 15:35.47 | Cide | because your fps gets too high |
| 15:35.58 | Cide | simplicity ftl |
| 15:36.29 | Fisker | makes out with Cide |
| 15:36.29 | Fisker | why does your GPU suck? |
| 15:36.40 | Cide | my gpu is awesome |
| 15:36.46 | Cide | this isn't an issue I'm having |
| 15:36.58 | Cide | http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/07/28/blizzard-confirms-starcraft-ii-overheating-bug.aspx |
| 15:37.17 | cog|work | gogo threading? |
| 15:37.22 | cog|work | also Cide ding 5000 |
| 15:37.30 | cog|work | s/e d/e, d/ |
| 15:37.36 | Tepetkhet | I'm very excited to be exploring the world of WoW addon development. |
| 15:37.40 | Cide | ding 5000? |
| 15:37.50 | cog|work | SO rep -_- |
| 15:37.52 | Cide | oh |
| 15:37.56 | Cide | congrats |
| 15:38.00 | Cide | now go spend it trolling |
| 15:38.07 | Ackis | what's ding 5000? |
| 15:38.07 | cog|work | tee hee |
| 15:38.18 | cog|work | http://stackoverflow.com/users/161424/cogwheel |
| 15:38.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | nice 5k |
| 15:38.48 | Ackis | ah stack overflow |
| 15:39.00 | Cide | cog|work, soon, your reputation will overflow the stack |
| 15:39.24 | Fisker | anyway Cide |
| 15:39.34 | Xinhuan | i think cogs are reentrant :P |
| 15:39.39 | Fisker | those peoples gpus suck then |
| 15:39.45 | Cide | WROANG |
| 15:39.59 | Fisker | WROANG |
| 15:40.12 | Krahg | Is it possible to change the name displayed on the PlayerFrame with some vairant of PlayerFrame:SetText("") |
| 15:40.21 | Tepetkhet | I recognize a lot of your names...is it okay for me to be in here, even though about all I can do so far is, um...print hello and the char's name and class, and make a movable clickable button that casts a buff on the target? >_> |
| 15:40.27 | Krahg | For screenshots? |
| 15:41.05 | Fisker | btw Cide |
| 15:41.07 | Krahg | I use PlayerFrame:Hide() right now before I do a screenshot, but would rather have it display the UserName for the forum I am going to post it in. |
| 15:41.15 | Fisker | frameratecapglue=30 |
| 15:41.16 | Fisker | frameratecap=60 |
| 15:41.23 | Cide | Tepetkhet, no |
| 15:41.25 | Fisker | I'm wondering if that isn't because of retards refusing to use vsync |
| 15:41.27 | Cide | this channel is for elitists only |
| 15:41.30 | Cide | and legends |
| 15:41.35 | Tepetkhet | Oh. ;_: |
| 15:41.39 | Ackis | Tepetkhet: yes it's ok you can be in here |
| 15:41.40 | Tepetkhet | er :_: |
| 15:41.43 | Ackis | Cide: why are you in here? |
| 15:41.49 | Cide | see legends |
| 15:41.52 | Tepetkhet | Geez, I can't type. |
| 15:41.53 | Ackis | I did |
| 15:41.59 | Cide | and gtfo |
| 15:42.02 | Ackis | :P |
| 15:42.55 | Tepetkhet | I work with XML at my day job...was hoping that MIGHT give me a slight advantage with getting started. |
| 15:43.09 | Fisker | haha Cide |
| 15:43.15 | Fisker | looks like it |
| 15:43.22 | *** join/#wowuidev warz (~rcole@216-82-204-111.static.grandenetworks.net) |
| 15:43.22 | Ackis | hey do you americans get this monday off work? |
| 15:43.23 | Cide | Tepetkhet, not really, no |
| 15:43.32 | Cide | XML is not very widely used anymore |
| 15:43.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | what is this monday Ackis |
| 15:43.39 | Cide | but of course you can use it if you feel more familiar with it |
| 15:43.41 | Krahg | Is there a holidy in america this monday? |
| 15:43.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | no |
| 15:43.48 | Legorol | Tepetkhet: XML is a very generic term. Saying that you "know" XML is like saying that you know how to read/write, and therefore you are surprised you don't understand a book on Quantum Mechanics. |
| 15:44.02 | Tepetkhet | Monday is a Canadian holiday, isn't it? |
| 15:44.16 | Cide | of course the resident physicist brings up quantum mechanics |
| 15:44.23 | Ackis | sylvanaar_atwork: http://gocanada.about.com/od/canadatravelplanner/a/august_civic.htm |
| 15:44.26 | Ackis | Tepetkhet: yes |
| 15:44.27 | Legorol | lol |
| 15:44.28 | Wobin | It's not rocket surgery =P |
| 15:44.29 | Legorol | hai Cide |
| 15:44.30 | warz | there's no real way to design a wow addon without the wow client, is there? |
| 15:44.32 | Cide | you just wanted a set up so you can say that you, however, do indeed understand Quantum Mechanics |
| 15:44.33 | Legorol | how's SC2 going :) |
| 15:44.34 | Ackis | I was wondering if americans got it off too |
| 15:44.37 | Cide | admit it |
| 15:44.39 | Fisker | herpaderp i don't wanna use vsync because i want 30000000 FPS in menus lololol |
| 15:44.39 | Fisker | herpaderp with me Cide |
| 15:44.44 | Cide | Fisker, ok |
| 15:44.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | August Long Weekend. Wow I never heard of that |
| 15:44.55 | Legorol | cide: i admit! |
| 15:44.59 | Cide | Legorol, SC2 is going great, thanks! how is it going for you? |
| 15:45.01 | Ackis | Fisker: did you find my secret? and quit using herpaderp |
| 15:45.04 | Legorol | just like i understand WoW XML! see, the analogy is complete |
| 15:45.16 | Cide | we have gone full circle |
| 15:45.17 | Legorol | i have hardly had time to play it so far :( installed it, played 2 missions, and it's tempting me ever since |
| 15:45.22 | Cide | ouch |
| 15:45.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | imports August Long Weekend |
| 15:45.28 | Cide | I have two accounts up and running already ^_^ |
| 15:45.31 | Legorol | so i shall go play now, instead of chatting |
| 15:45.40 | abra | wow, i broke warcraft. |
| 15:45.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | I think I'll begin my long weekend tomorrow |
| 15:45.43 | Tepetkhet | Thanks, Legorol. That makes sense, actually. I've seen a few articles mentioning that knowledge of XML is useful and I'm thinking...uh, yeah, in the sense that, what, you understand tags and closing them? |
| 15:45.58 | abra | getting all kinds of lua errors with no ADDONS on at all |
| 15:46.00 | abra | lol |
| 15:46.11 | Legorol | idd Tepetkhet |
| 15:46.23 | Legorol | the WoW UI's structure is quite involved, especially when you look at it the first time |
| 15:46.39 | Legorol | bear in mind it wasn't originally intended to be moddable, it came as an idea halfway through development |
| 15:46.39 | abra | i didnt change anything on purpose. |
| 15:46.47 | Legorol | plus, it's changed a lot.. it's been around close to 10 years |
| 15:47.01 | abra | my lua mustve done something |
| 15:47.04 | Tepetkhet | *nod* |
| 15:47.10 | abra | so what now |
| 15:47.18 | Cide | delete your interface folder |
| 15:47.20 | Cide | you heard it here first |
| 15:47.32 | abra | lol. i was afraid of that. |
| 15:47.42 | Cide | s/delete/delete (or rename if you aren't a dumbass)/ |
| 15:47.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Schnaks (~Schnaks@p4FC4C523.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:47.51 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 15:48.05 | Tepetkhet | Beat me to it...I always rename. |
| 15:48.10 | Tepetkhet | With the date. |
| 15:48.17 | abra | i think we've established that im a dumbass, no? |
| 15:48.26 | Cide | so delete it |
| 15:48.48 | abra | lol. i moved the addons out of it. then deleted it. |
| 15:48.53 | sylvanaar_atwork | recylcle it, thats a good comprimise |
| 15:49.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | ooh spelling ftl |
| 15:49.43 | abra | uh oh, still errors. |
| 15:49.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | s/compri/compro/ |
| 15:50.06 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-50-46.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 15:50.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | where is purl? |
| 15:50.31 | abra | so... ive somehow changed code in the wow xml/lua? is that what im to believe now? |
| 15:50.34 | Tepetkhet | Blizzard support always tells me to delete my WTF, Interface, and Cache folders. |
| 15:50.39 | Tepetkhet | They're so smart. |
| 15:50.47 | abra | ok, ill do that |
| 15:51.00 | Tepetkhet | (Oh gods, no, don't listen to me!) |
| 15:51.12 | abra | lol |
| 15:51.40 | Legorol | Cide: on the plus side, i got all achievements so far in the missions i played ;) |
| 15:51.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (~Srosh@d038057.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 15:51.44 | Legorol | started on Hard straight away |
| 15:51.52 | Legorol | and i'm thinking it's too easy |
| 15:51.59 | Cide | it gets more difficult |
| 15:52.05 | Legorol | then i'll stick to Hard |
| 15:52.06 | Tepetkhet | I got through the first mission in SCII |
| 15:52.16 | Cide | Legorol, yeah |
| 15:52.32 | Tepetkhet | But I got wrapped up in this addon project. |
| 15:52.32 | Cide | only downside is that you don't know the achievements until after the mission |
| 15:52.38 | Legorol | seems to me on Hard they balanced the poor AI by trying to overwhelm you |
| 15:52.44 | Tepetkhet | So I'm more excited about that now than exploding Zerg bits. |
| 15:52.46 | Legorol | i feel like my unit count is way inferior |
| 15:52.58 | Cide | that's the way it is in most all strategy games sadly |
| 15:53.01 | Legorol | can't you check achis on b.net? |
| 15:53.05 | Cide | you can |
| 15:53.09 | Cide | but then you end up spoiling stuff :P |
| 15:53.15 | Legorol | but yah, i replayed one of them |
| 15:53.17 | Tepetkhet | I'm like, "LOOK! LOOK! I drawed a BUTAN!" |
| 15:53.23 | Legorol | but i probably won't aim for achis for now |
| 15:53.27 | Cide | so I guess it's both good and bad |
| 15:53.29 | Legorol | just go through once, then come back for achis |
| 15:53.47 | Legorol | Tepetkhet: addon writing is very exciting when you get into it :) |
| 15:55.37 | Motig | I received the book "world of warcraft progamming" today, it's really neat |
| 15:55.51 | Motig | or well just has lots of info :p |
| 15:56.26 | Cide | yes, I did my best with it. |
| 15:56.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (~Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 15:56.38 | Cairenn | station |
| 15:56.39 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:56.39 | Krahg | Have a good night all. Thank you for your time. |
| 15:56.42 | Cide | DAMN IT |
| 15:56.45 | Tepetkhet | Night, Krahg |
| 15:56.56 | Lunessa | SC II getting you down? |
| 15:57.01 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 15:57.05 | Cide | hi |
| 15:57.05 | Fisker | not hey Legorol |
| 15:57.08 | Fisker | and hey Cairenn |
| 15:57.10 | Cide | lack of station more like it |
| 15:57.12 | Fisker | but not hey Lunessa |
| 15:57.16 | Krahg | You to Tepetkhet, good luck with your new add-on. |
| 15:57.18 | Tepetkhet | I saw that book, Motig. Is it relatively up to date? |
| 15:57.21 | Cairenn | hi Fisker |
| 15:57.34 | Legorol | hai Cairenn |
| 15:57.40 | Cairenn | hi Legorol |
| 15:57.41 | Legorol | SC2 much? ;) |
| 15:57.46 | Legorol | i guess not |
| 15:57.48 | Cairenn | not at all |
| 15:57.55 | Legorol | hehe, not your kind of thing i guess |
| 15:57.58 | Lunessa | Station, Cide, my most excellent friend. Party on, dude. |
| 15:58.00 | Cairenn | newp |
| 15:58.05 | Cide | you too, Lunessa |
| 15:58.30 | Motig | Tepetkhet this one is from nov/dec 2009 |
| 15:58.38 | Motig | so yeah it's fairly up to date, but it doesn't really matter if it isn't anyway |
| 16:01.16 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/yo_dawg_i_heard_you_like_pizza.jpg |
| 16:01.57 | Lunessa | mikma: at least it's not jelly beans |
| 16:02.38 | xDD | Wee.. proably no keys today yet again ;) |
| 16:02.58 | mikma | damn, where's tekkub... http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/good_morning_son.jpg |
| 16:04.13 | Tepetkhet | I was looking at one of Cog's addons last night, too, and here he is. |
| 16:05.15 | Ackis | that's kinda ironic Tepetkhet, I was looking at Cog in the shower this morning, and here he is. |
| 16:05.17 | cog|work | /wave |
| 16:05.21 | cog|work | ~lart Ackis |
| 16:05.22 | purl | teaches Ackis the basics, including how to RTM |
| 16:05.23 | Tepetkhet | haha |
| 16:05.51 | Cide | were you looking at my addons also? |
| 16:06.16 | *** join/#wowuidev crs_ (~crs@dslb-084-061-091-244.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:06.24 | Tepetkhet | No, Cide, because you broke my heart. |
| 16:06.31 | Cide | oh that's right, my legacy is forgotten |
| 16:07.11 | Tepetkhet | YOU BROKE MY LITTLE HEART...the day...the ct_raidassist died. |
| 16:07.19 | Cide | it lives |
| 16:07.30 | Cide | INSIDE OUR HEARTS IT LIVES |
| 16:08.01 | Tepetkhet | Now I use X-perl and Grid. And oRA. But it's not the same... |
| 16:08.10 | Motig | I used to have a bugged version that would automatically vote ready for me at a readycheck |
| 16:08.13 | Motig | for when I was afk... |
| 16:08.39 | Ackis | you broke my heart everytime CTraid crashed me out of wow! :'( |
| 16:08.55 | Tepetkhet | It never crashed on me. |
| 16:08.59 | Tepetkhet | Must have been a user error... |
| 16:09.18 | Tepetkhet | There was probably a problem with your ID-10T interface. |
| 16:09.38 | Ackis | nah it never crashed |
| 16:10.42 | Tepetkhet | :D |
| 16:10.59 | Tepetkhet | I never really used the CT stuff to its fullest extent. |
| 16:11.30 | Tepetkhet | I think I started off just using it to get better raid frames. |
| 16:14.09 | Lunessa | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38463013/ns/technology_and_science/?GT1=43001 - lulz? |
| 16:14.49 | Tepetkhet | Oh yeah, I read that. |
| 16:15.00 | Tepetkhet | Good thing I never use my real name, uh, anywhere online. |
| 16:16.14 | Lunessa | Really? This is your real name? :P |
| 16:16.46 | Tepetkhet | Yup. |
| 16:16.49 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/07/awesome_flamethrower_vs_fire_e.php |
| 16:17.12 | Tepetkhet | Actually have known some people for years who only know me as Tep. |
| 16:21.10 | Torhal | Cairenn: ETA, please? I can't be bothered to constantly check to see if they're here! |
| 16:21.14 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 16:21.18 | Cairenn | Torhal: heh |
| 16:22.40 | Tepetkhet | Hello Cairenn! |
| 16:22.45 | Cairenn | hi Tepetkhet |
| 16:23.38 | Tepetkhet | This channel run by WoWInterface, pretty much? |
| 16:23.51 | Cairenn | meh, it's a site-agnostic channel |
| 16:24.24 | Tepetkhet | I just recognized some of the +o names. |
| 16:24.38 | foxlit | So I read the SC2 EULA |
| 16:24.47 | Cairenn | aye, but some of them are Ace & Curse, too |
| 16:24.51 | foxlit | They claim ownership of any and all maps you create. |
| 16:24.51 | Tepetkhet | Your soul now belongs to Blizzard. |
| 16:24.54 | Tepetkhet | Yes. |
| 16:24.57 | Lunessa | foxlit: AND THEY OWN YOUR FIRST BORN-PROGENY TO TRAIN AS MARINES! |
| 16:24.58 | Cairenn | points at ckknight and Kaelten |
| 16:25.05 | ckknight | o hai |
| 16:25.11 | Tepetkhet | Hi, ckknight! |
| 16:25.19 | foxlit | Scum, really. |
| 16:25.25 | Torhal | Actually, ckknight is slowly being transformed into a code bot. |
| 16:25.25 | Tepetkhet | <3 Chinchilla |
| 16:25.27 | ckknight | yea, this is a site-neutral IRC channel, technically |
| 16:25.46 | Xinhuan | i don't have +o :) |
| 16:25.50 | Adys | technically? :p |
| 16:25.56 | Cairenn | technically? |
| 16:25.57 | ckknight | you don't deserve +o, Xinhuan |
| 16:25.58 | ckknight | :P |
| 16:26.00 | Lopeppeppy | Caught on a technicality! |
| 16:26.03 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 16:26.06 | Adys | Cairenn: gotcha! |
| 16:26.06 | Xinhuan | i don't have +v either! |
| 16:26.16 | Adys | Xinhuan: i don't have +v I don't complain! |
| 16:26.20 | *** join/#wowuidev rljohn (~rljohnmoo@nat/ibm/x-diymnmvozwjmkmzw) |
| 16:26.25 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Xinhuan] by ckknight |
| 16:26.25 | Xinhuan | appears that sc2 crashes heaps on 8800GTs |
| 16:26.26 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 16:26.37 | Cairenn | you guys don't run addon sites :p |
| 16:26.50 | Adys | Cairenn: I'm a curse employee! |
| 16:26.53 | nicoli_s | ditto! |
| 16:26.58 | Cairenn | and your point? |
| 16:27.04 | ckknight | why does nicoli_s have voice? |
| 16:27.05 | ckknight | :P |
| 16:27.08 | Adys | nicoli_s doesn't run one |
| 16:27.09 | Adys | :( |
| 16:27.10 | nicoli_s | i wrote the most downloaded war addon :P |
| 16:27.10 | Xinhuan | i run uh i run away from ckknight :P |
| 16:27.12 | nicoli_s | and rom! |
| 16:27.17 | Adys | psht |
| 16:27.21 | Tepetkhet | I'm an accursed employee. |
| 16:27.26 | Cairenn | offs guys |
| 16:27.26 | Ackis | Fisker: http://iamhilarious.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/blunt-card.gif |
| 16:27.31 | nicoli_s | hehe |
| 16:27.36 | ckknight | Adys: you're not involved with the addons, though |
| 16:27.38 | Cairenn | ckknight: still waiting to hear what the 'technically' is |
| 16:27.44 | Adys | ckknight: oh but I don't want voice |
| 16:27.44 | Xinhuan | so what addon is the most downloaded war addon |
| 16:27.48 | Adys | I just want you to remove nicoli's |
| 16:27.49 | Adys | :D |
| 16:27.52 | Torhal | Cairenn: I don't think any but that first letter are privs |
| 16:27.55 | Torhal | :D |
| 16:27.56 | nicoli_s | Xinhuan:curseprofiler :P |
| 16:28.03 | Xinhuan | says "DOH!" and slaps himself on the forehead |
| 16:28.07 | Tepetkhet | The WAR equivalent of the profile updater thingy? |
| 16:28.09 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 16:28.10 | nicoli_s | yah |
| 16:28.13 | Tepetkhet | Yeah. |
| 16:28.22 | Xinhuan | i don't count that as an addon |
| 16:28.28 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 16:28.29 | nicoli_s | why not? |
| 16:28.30 | Tepetkhet | I was helping out for a bit with screenshots for WAR, but... |
| 16:28.39 | Tepetkhet | I stopped playing it like a month after it came out. :( |
| 16:28.46 | nicoli_s | it was hard as shit to make, id say it should count as an addon |
| 16:28.46 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 16:28.55 | Ackis | joins the debate. |
| 16:28.56 | Xinhuan | well i suppose you could argue that |
| 16:29.01 | Ackis | I'm a master debator. |
| 16:29.05 | Ackis | (this is why I don't get +o) |
| 16:29.15 | Xinhuan | no ackis |
| 16:29.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Cide] by Cairenn |
| 16:29.20 | Xinhuan | you are a master drycoder |
| 16:29.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Esamynn|Away] by Cairenn |
| 16:29.29 | Adys | Cairenn: Cide is awesome tho :( |
| 16:29.31 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Kody-] by Cairenn |
| 16:29.35 | *** join/#wowuidev cloudwolf (~chatzilla@c-71-227-249-44.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 16:29.36 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Legorol] by Cairenn |
| 16:29.40 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 16:29.42 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Lopeppeppy] by Cairenn |
| 16:29.45 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 16:29.46 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v MentalPower] by Cairenn |
| 16:29.49 | Tepetkhet | I'm just happy to be here. |
| 16:29.52 | Ackis | rofl |
| 16:29.52 | Torhal | Cairenn is about to lock the channel down! |
| 16:29.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Nechckn] by Cairenn |
| 16:29.53 | Fisker | why so srs Cairenn? |
| 16:29.58 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Fisker] by ckknight |
| 16:29.58 | Tepetkhet | Maybe I'll learn something by osmosis. |
| 16:30.00 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v nicoli_s] by Cairenn |
| 16:30.05 | Fisker | in b4 +m |
| 16:30.06 | Xinhuan | dang, look what i caused |
| 16:30.07 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v tem] by Cairenn |
| 16:30.07 | Xinhuan | HAHA |
| 16:30.08 | Fisker | +v me ckknight |
| 16:30.13 | Fisker | gogog |
| 16:30.13 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o ckknight] by Cairenn |
| 16:30.17 | Tepetkhet | hahaha |
| 16:30.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o dolby] by Cairenn |
| 16:30.18 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:30.21 | *** join/#wowuidev nicoli_s (~nsinkule@69.73.16.202) |
| 16:30.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o jnwhiteh] by Cairenn |
| 16:30.23 | warz | is there a way to design the visual appearance of a wow addon without having the client? |
| 16:30.25 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v nicoli_s] by ChanServ |
| 16:30.25 | Torhal | THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! |
| 16:30.29 | Tepetkhet | THE POWAH! THE ABSOLUTE POWAH! |
| 16:30.35 | Ackis | +++ ChanServ has given voice to nicoli_s |
| 16:30.37 | nicoli_s | whoops, meant to just leave here :P |
| 16:30.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Kaelten] by Cairenn |
| 16:30.38 | Ackis | way to fight the power! |
| 16:30.43 | warz | i assume you could once you're familiar with all of the xml elements. |
| 16:30.45 | Xinhuan | cairenn, you can multiple -ooooooo people :P |
| 16:30.45 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Shadowed] by Cairenn |
| 16:30.50 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Shirik] by Cairenn |
| 16:30.51 | Xinhuan | in one command |
| 16:30.56 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v nicoli_s] by Cairenn |
| 16:30.56 | cloudwolf | warz theres an online version and a download version i think both are linked somewhere on wowi |
| 16:31.02 | Cairenn | there, everyone happy now? :p |
| 16:31.05 | *** part/#wowuidev nicoli_s (~nsinkule@69.73.16.202) |
| 16:31.08 | *** join/#wowuidev nicoli_s (~nsinkule@69.73.16.202) |
| 16:31.09 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v nicoli_s] by ChanServ |
| 16:31.09 | Ackis | I'm not! |
| 16:31.09 | Tepetkhet | I'm happy! |
| 16:31.11 | nicoli_s | yep :) |
| 16:31.11 | Fisker | i want voice |
| 16:31.15 | zenzelezz | cuddles Cairenn |
| 16:31.16 | Adys | Cairenn: can I have +b |
| 16:31.20 | warz | cloudwolf, online and download version of what? |
| 16:31.23 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o Cairenn] by Cairenn |
| 16:31.28 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:31.31 | cloudwolf | a ui designer warz |
| 16:31.34 | Ackis | ~nicoli_s++ |
| 16:31.35 | *** part/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 16:31.38 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 16:31.39 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 16:31.40 | cloudwolf | didn't youa sk about designing appearance not in game |
| 16:31.48 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v nicoli_s] by ckknight |
| 16:31.58 | warz | yea |
| 16:32.02 | nicoli_s | noooo |
| 16:32.11 | warz | i wasnt sure if you were telling me to download the client or not, haha. |
| 16:32.56 | nicoli_s | so does this count as a curse takeover of the channel? |
| 16:33.03 | ckknight | looks like it. |
| 16:33.15 | Tepetkhet | I'm a rogue. I can't remove curses. |
| 16:33.17 | Cairenn | not |
| 16:33.18 | nicoli_s | alright, all you foreigners in the pens\ |
| 16:33.19 | Xinhuan | its more like an "own-goal" in soccer |
| 16:33.19 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Fisker] by ckknight |
| 16:33.27 | Fisker | i love you ckknight |
| 16:33.36 | Adys | ckknight: me me me! |
| 16:33.42 | Cairenn | ckknight: I'm /still/ waiting for the explanation of 'technically' |
| 16:33.52 | warz | cloudwolf, what is wowi ? |
| 16:33.57 | warz | wowwiki? |
| 16:33.58 | ckknight | you're not gonna get one :P |
| 16:34.00 | Tepetkhet | wowinterface? |
| 16:34.05 | Tepetkhet | DOT COM |
| 16:34.17 | warz | Tepetkhet what is dot com? |
| 16:34.22 | warz | i kid |
| 16:34.36 | cloudwolf | *facepalm* |
| 16:34.44 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 16:34.47 | cloudwolf | wowinterface.com |
| 16:35.05 | Tepetkhet | what is haych tee tee pee colon slash slash? |
| 16:35.20 | Ackis | 10:24foxlitThey claim ownership of any and all maps you create.<-- really? |
| 16:35.23 | warz | sounds brutal |
| 16:35.32 | Tepetkhet | (have had customers ask that on the phone before) |
| 16:35.33 | foxlit | Ackis: true story. |
| 16:35.36 | Tepetkhet | Ackis: Yes. |
| 16:35.55 | Ackis | that's slightly illegal |
| 16:35.57 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:36.12 | ckknight | yea, that's illegal, foxlit |
| 16:36.14 | Ackis | hai i'm blizzard i can override copyright law lulz |
| 16:36.28 | foxlit | And if it isn't, they want a non-revokable license. |
| 16:36.37 | Tepetkhet | It's not quite as disturbing as Real ID, though. |
| 16:36.39 | foxlit | which they can sublicense, etc. |
| 16:36.49 | Niv | do they claim ownership, or just use rights? |
| 16:36.58 | Xinhuan | is going to wait for Popcap to make a Plant vs Zombies starcraft 2 campaign |
| 16:37.18 | nicoli_s | that would be cool |
| 16:37.20 | Tepetkhet | "Hey, only give your RealID to people you trust. BTW, we're giving this to all of your friends' friends. Hope you trust them, too." |
| 16:37.22 | foxlit | everything, Niv |
| 16:37.27 | Xinhuan | base building (plants)? check |
| 16:37.34 | Niv | Tepetkhet: that's an exageration |
| 16:37.34 | Xinhuan | moving units based on AI scripts? check |
| 16:37.39 | Xinhuan | campaign mode? check |
| 16:37.53 | Tepetkhet | Niv: Not the way I understand it. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
| 16:37.59 | Niv | you're wrong |
| 16:38.17 | Niv | you can see friends-of-friends list of real names, nothing more |
| 16:38.19 | foxlit | I can't google the eula, though |
| 16:38.23 | Niv | nothing that ties them to anything |
| 16:38.23 | Xinhuan | its true, i did read thru the EULA |
| 16:38.23 | Adys | i agree, you're wrong |
| 16:38.31 | Xinhuan | all maps you create are owned by blizzard |
| 16:38.52 | Xinhuan | the sc2 program is only liscensed to you, not sold |
| 16:39.05 | Fisker | how is that illegal btw ckknight >:3? |
| 16:39.06 | Xinhuan | and the real id showing your real name to your friend of friends is also in the EULA |
| 16:39.12 | Xinhuan | and that by using it, you agree to it |
| 16:39.17 | foxlit | Map Content. You understand that the content required to create or modify STARCRAFT® IIModified Maps (as defined below) is included in the STARCRAFT® II game client, and that allsuch content is owned by Blizzard and governed by this Agreement. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE ANDAGREETHAT ALL MAPS, LEVELS AND OTHER CONTENT CREATED OR MODIFIED USING THE MAPEDITOR (COLLECTIVELY, âMODIFIED MAPSâ) ARE AND SHALL REMAIN THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVEPROPE |
| 16:39.17 | foxlit | BLIZZARD. WITHOUT LIMITING THE FOREGOING, YOU HERE BY ASSIGN TOBLIZZARD ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS, TITLE AND INTEREST IN AND TO ALL MODIFIED MAPS, ANDAGREE THAT YOU WILL EXECUTE FUTURE ASSIGNMENTS PROMPTLY UPON RECEIVING SUCHA REQUEST FROM BLIZZARD |
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| 16:39.55 | Ackis | just because it's in a ToS/EULA doesn't mean it's legal... look at binding arbitration |
| 16:40.04 | Tepetkhet | Well, I'm female. It really doesn't take a genius to see my real name on my BF's Real ID list and figure out who that is...and since I don't trust my BF's friends, I'm not going to use Real ID. |
| 16:40.09 | Fisker | Who is TOBLIZZARD |
| 16:40.09 | Fisker | i don't think TOBLIZZARD is a proper company |
| 16:40.09 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 16:40.20 | Xinhuan | there's even a clause saying that you must ensure that all the things you used to create a map (such as models, textures), do not infrigne on copyright |
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| 16:40.32 | nicoli_s | awww |
| 16:40.43 | nicoli_s | our short time in charge is now over |
| 16:40.52 | ckknight | we had some laughs |
| 16:40.54 | ckknight | we had some tears |
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| 16:41.05 | Xinhuan | fisker still has +v :P |
| 16:41.11 | Fisker | i am pretty awesome |
| 16:41.53 | Ackis | not really |
| 16:42.02 | Ackis | unless awesome is a synonym for douche |
| 16:42.16 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
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| 16:42.27 | Fisker | why are everyone who help you a "douche" Ackis ? |
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| 16:44.34 | nicoli_s | cuz hes canadian? |
| 16:44.41 | Ackis | foxlit: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/5347-all-maps-created-are-owned-by-blizzard/ |
| 16:45.42 | Xinhuan | i'm surprised you didn't read that 2 days ago ackis! |
| 16:46.03 | Ackis | I don't read EULA's, they're not enforceable by law |
| 16:46.18 | Xinhuan | actually it is, at least the reasonable bits |
| 16:46.19 | Fisker | sure they are |
| 16:46.23 | Ackis | plus I don't make maps |
| 16:46.30 | Xinhuan | the EULA is proven to be broken by Glider's author |
| 16:47.23 | foxlit | Ackis: http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/files/439/822/StarCraft_II_Manual.pdf if you need a source. |
| 16:49.32 | Xinhuan | i suppose the ownership issue |
| 16:49.46 | Xinhuan | well, i'm not sure how well it will conflict with blizzard wanting players to publish/sell maps |
| 16:49.50 | Xinhuan | on bnet |
| 16:50.30 | Pneumatus | the best part is that the sc2mapster site automatically jumps you to the last post in a thread when you try and read a thread |
| 16:50.36 | Ressy | Wasn't Glider ripped another one by Blizz tho? |
| 16:53.24 | Fisker | last i heard Ressy |
| 16:53.30 | Fisker | But the precedent it set was spooky as far as i recall |
| 16:54.00 | Pneumatus | yeh, it set the precedent that you don't own your WoW cds/manuals/box |
| 16:54.03 | Ressy | I found something from June saying they were going back at the lawsuits (more of them), but nothing since. |
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| 16:55.57 | Legorol | the glider case is going up a level for appeal, because of the precedents it's setting |
| 16:56.13 | Pneumatus | the glider case is joined with 2 other suits now i think as well |
| 16:56.19 | Legorol | even the judge who ruled on it originally acknoweldged that a couple of points are up for debate and best dealt with by a higher court |
| 16:57.13 | Legorol | as for the EULA, the glider authors didn't actually lose because they broke it, but because they helped players break it. |
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| 16:57.40 | Legorol | but they were charged with and lost on many points |
| 16:58.02 | Legorol | not all are EULA related |
| 16:58.26 | Ressy | I do believe tho that they did have a judgement against them that forfeits all monies Glider earned through operations? |
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| 16:58.50 | Legorol | more or less, yes |
| 16:59.13 | Legorol | they owe blizz a lot of money because they lost, and they can't pay it up... the way the judge ordered it to be recouped is by siphoning their profits |
| 16:59.36 | Warloco | lo all :) |
| 16:59.56 | Adys | We want YouTube to be the best place to upload video. Without question, the number one requested feature by our creators is to upload videos longer than 10 minutes. Weâve heard you, and today weâre pleased to announce that weâve increased the upload limit to 15 minutes. |
| 17:00.14 | Ressy | ie let Glider keep running, take all monies from the sale of Glider, then ban said owners of glider? |
| 17:03.31 | xDD | Adys: Only up by 15 minutes, oh well.. Anyway some people seem to be able to upload videos up to hours long, how do they do that? |
| 17:03.36 | xDD | by 5* |
| 17:03.50 | Kaelten | g'morning |
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| 17:03.57 | Lopeppeppy | xDD, you get expanded rights by being a paid partner, etc. |
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| 17:04.09 | Kaelten | Ugh, it's nice to be back at the office |
| 17:04.20 | NightHawkTheSane | xDD: sexual favors |
| 17:04.36 | Fisker | hey Kaelten |
| 17:04.41 | Fisker | i hope your street blows up |
| 17:04.58 | Tepetkhet | Sorry...I got a little political there. |
| 17:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | heya, Kaelten! |
| 17:05.38 | NightHawkTheSane | I think fisker should be permanently put on happy pills. |
| 17:06.35 | Lopeppeppy | are there enough of those in the world? |
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| 17:07.13 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, probably not. |
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| 17:09.36 | Xinhuan | omg |
| 17:09.40 | Xinhuan | Worms Reloaded on steam! |
| 17:09.45 | Xinhuan | awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 17:12.30 | cadabra | when table[i] = certainFrame, why will: for i=1, #table do table[i]:Hide() end :not work? what am i missing? |
| 17:13.31 | Cide | you're missing not telling us everything |
| 17:13.32 | NightHawkTheSane | surreal: hearing my (very... 'loud') coworker on a conference call talk about stuff that I'm going to eventually be assigned to do. |
| 17:13.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: ... omg? |
| 17:13.47 | cadabra | cide, what more do you need to know? |
| 17:13.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: windows only, i assume :( |
| 17:13.51 | Xinhuan | yes omg |
| 17:13.57 | Xinhuan | hmm let me check |
| 17:14.21 | Xinhuan | Minimum: |
| 17:14.21 | Xinhuan | OS: Windows XP, Vista, 7 |
| 17:14.23 | Xinhuan | appears so |
| 17:14.26 | Xinhuan | 17.99 |
| 17:14.34 | Maldivia | cadabra: are the frames secure? are you in comvat? |
| 17:14.39 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 17:14.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i may buy it anyway. i can boot into w7.. |
| 17:14.49 | Xinhuan | watch the trailer |
| 17:14.50 | cadabra | they were created inside a loop in my lua.. |
| 17:14.51 | Xinhuan | its awesome |
| 17:14.52 | NightHawkTheSane | cause dude, worms. |
| 17:15.01 | Xinhuan | like so-freaking-awesome |
| 17:15.17 | Xinhuan | there's weapons like gas bombs now |
| 17:15.25 | Maldivia | cadabra: well, then it should work |
| 17:15.58 | cadabra | im going to recycle them, that is.. after hiding them, im going to assign them to a new table to be called when those frames are needed again.. instead of leaving them hidden and making new. |
| 17:15.59 | Maldivia | cadabra: you probably butchered your table some how |
| 17:16.23 | cadabra | hmm. |
| 17:16.27 | Maldivia | cadabra: and you're sure the table can be accessed sequentially ? |
| 17:16.59 | cadabra | yes, i mean, im using the table to do other functions that work.. |
| 17:17.29 | cadabra | table[i] = frame of status bar type.. if that matter.s |
| 17:17.44 | cadabra | and im using table[i]:setminmaxvalue and what not, with no errors. |
| 17:18.21 | cadabra | i just want a function that hides those status bars.. which is what i tried to do above.. |
| 17:18.29 | Cide | just paste the frame creation code and the hide code |
| 17:18.40 | Cide | in a pastebin |
| 17:18.58 | cadabra | ok.. its long and im going to get flamed for my var names and indentation, but ok. |
| 17:20.30 | Cide | then that means you should better up your var names and indentation, no? |
| 17:24.11 | cadabra | http://paste.wowace.com/2271/ |
| 17:24.13 | cadabra | sigh |
| 17:24.14 | cadabra | here we go |
| 17:27.39 | cadabra | this seemed like the most efficient way to show active meters without tabling and math-ing meters that arent being viewed. |
| 17:28.27 | cadabra | however, currently, when i switch the view meters to "healing" from "damage" i get the new status bar on top of the old. |
| 17:28.39 | cadabra | i want to hide the old. |
| 17:29.11 | Maldivia | and you dont modify the SK_meterFrames variable elsewhere ? |
| 17:30.06 | cadabra | no. ultimately ill have the clearing of the statusbar frames as a standalone function to be called when my uidropdownmenu is used to select a different meter type. |
| 17:30.15 | cadabra | but for now, i just have it in here |
| 17:30.32 | cadabra | to keep the variables local |
| 17:30.48 | cadabra | locally manipulated rather |
| 17:31.16 | cadabra | it seems like an easy thing.. to hide the frames.. but they are not hiding. |
| 17:32.14 | cadabra | since SK_meterFrames is a global table, the function of SK_meterFrames[i]:Hide() should work anywhere. i just dont get it. |
| 17:32.21 | cadabra | it wont work ANYWHERE |
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| 17:33.16 | Maldivia | well, then the content of the table isn't corect |
| 17:33.56 | Maldivia | what do you get if you do /dump SK_meterFrames[1] |
| 17:34.36 | Tepetkhet | Do addon developers write pretty much everything from scratch? Like hand-coding everything? |
| 17:35.01 | olafski | dunno about the rest.. I don't |
| 17:35.02 | alestane | ...as opposed to... |
| 17:35.09 | olafski | using a framework? ;) |
| 17:35.11 | Ressy | I used to keep templates in a separate file... |
| 17:35.36 | alestane | I've never written anything that really needed one. |
| 17:35.44 | alestane | Has there been yon netsplit? |
| 17:35.54 | cadabra | mald - i get a table |
| 17:36.09 | olafski | my addons don't need a framework either but I found it helped :) |
| 17:36.27 | olafski | only on one of the 3 I published though |
| 17:36.34 | cadabra | im using nothing at all. no libraries or anything. its hilarious. |
| 17:36.49 | alestane | And, um, why does Fisker have +v? |
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| 17:38.00 | olafski | why do you have .. ah :P |
| 17:38.03 | olafski | oh :( |
| 17:38.16 | olafski | neat, my addon almost has 10k downloads :P |
| 17:38.33 | olafski | hope it'll get there before cataclysm |
| 17:39.14 | cadabra | maldivia - all of my other functions involving SK_meterFrames[i] work correctly. the class colors.. all of that. i cannot find an explanation of why this one function wont work. |
| 17:40.44 | Ackis | olafski: did you get that crackdown 2 outfit ingame or from the store? |
| 17:41.16 | Maldivia | cadabra: is LUA errors enabled in your interface? |
| 17:41.24 | cadabra | yes.. lol. |
| 17:41.30 | Maldivia | and no errors there? |
| 17:41.43 | cadabra | no sir. |
| 17:41.48 | cadabra | its very strane |
| 17:41.59 | cadabra | i took it out of the active meters function and made a standalone |
| 17:42.12 | cadabra | calling to it on selecting from the dropdown |
| 17:42.14 | Maldivia | you say doing a /run for i=1,#SK_meterFrames do SK_meterFrames[i]:Hide() end -- doesn't do anything? |
| 17:42.15 | cadabra | it should clear it out |
| 17:42.27 | alestane | Um...might the function have had an upvalue in its original setting? |
| 17:42.29 | cadabra | thats my EXACT function |
| 17:42.44 | cadabra | alestane what do ya mean |
| 17:42.52 | Maldivia | I'm asking if it works from chat input |
| 17:43.01 | Maldivia | with the frames visible on the screen |
| 17:43.05 | Maldivia | if that clears them out |
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| 17:47.28 | cadabra | yes, it does... wtf. it wont work when called from the menuclick... but i know the function is being called to, because i have a print inside it... its printing but not doing anything. when i click the debug button assigned to the same function.. it works. |
| 17:47.59 | cadabra | ok |
| 17:48.26 | cadabra | im seeing somewhere that may be confusing it. |
| 17:48.33 | Maldivia | perhaps they are being hidden, but you recreate them and show tehm, without noticing? |
| 17:48.45 | cadabra | i think that may be whats happening |
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| 17:50.37 | cadabra | i cant figure out how though, because im setting the table to {} in the same function that i hide() them in. |
| 17:50.45 | cadabra | after the loop |
| 17:52.33 | Maldivia | yes, but then you go on creating a bunch of frames after that |
| 17:53.21 | Kraps | wonders how you godwin a thread about knockbacks http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14250335145&sid=1&pageNo=3#59 |
| 17:57.04 | cadabra | ok, maybe youre right. ill just be even more efficient and reuse the frames and local data tables everytime. forget hiding frames all over the place. |
| 18:00.56 | rljohn | anyone know of a simple addon I could reference for creating bar timers, preferally a smaller addon so I don't have to go digging around too much |
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| 18:11.19 | foxlit | The SC2 soundtrack is annoying |
| 18:11.41 | zenzelezz | sadly .( I ended up turning off music |
| 18:11.50 | foxlit | as in the actual CD |
| 18:12.38 | foxlit | The music itself is awesome, but they mixed like 2-3 themes to a track |
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| 18:16.18 | cog|work | "I'M HAVING A BOY! I'M HAVING A BOY! I'M HAVING A BOY! THAT'S RIGHT MOTHER FUCKER" ... no YOU'RE the mother fucker... |
| 18:16.58 | Ackis | congrats cog|work? |
| 18:17.03 | cog|work | no |
| 18:17.05 | cog|work | i made a pun! |
| 18:17.10 | cog|work | laugh at the FUNEEE!!!!! |
| 18:17.17 | cadabra | maldivia - im dumb. fixed. |
| 18:19.57 | Kraps | offers cog|work a chillaxative |
| 18:21.08 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 18:21.28 | NightHawkTheSane | "Yes you're very smart. Shut up." :P |
| 18:28.04 | Adys | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/07/29/167253/Global-Warming-Undeniable-Report-Says |
| 18:28.07 | Adys | What is this? 2002? |
| 18:30.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: depends on who you ask |
| 18:30.27 | Adys | "Gee guys, global warming is real, huh" |
| 18:31.23 | zenzelezz | tomorrow on Slashdot: Scientists find possible link between smoking and lung cancer |
| 18:32.42 | Adys | and next week: Commercially available jetpacks for < $2000 |
| 18:32.46 | Adys | ... waitamin |
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| 18:38.41 | cog|work | when SC2 people talk about "realms" are they referring to geographic regions? |
| 18:39.08 | Ackis | no |
| 18:39.08 | Ackis | yes |
| 18:39.09 | Ackis | maybe |
| 18:39.19 | cog|work | all of the above |
| 18:41.53 | foxlit | null. |
| 18:42.09 | Lopeppeppy | void |
| 18:42.14 | cog|work | nil |
| 18:42.37 | cog|work | i need a quieter keybord for playing Lost Viking at work -_- |
| 18:43.35 | Lopeppeppy | Hah! Your clicky keyboards give you away! |
| 18:44.05 | Dagmar | You'll tote a 12Gb install around to play a knockoff from the 80's? |
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| 18:44.30 | cog|work | Dagmar: the rest of the game is for my lunch breaks |
| 18:44.31 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:45.07 | Dagmar | Ohh... |
| 18:45.34 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.51 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.04 | cadabra | anyone know where i could find the length of the preparation period before a wow bg starts? aside from qqing.. |
| 18:47.25 | cadabra | i need to know all of them |
| 18:47.34 | cadabra | are they the same? |
| 18:47.37 | cadabra | doesnt seem that way |
| 18:48.32 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.02 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.32 | mikma | tekkub: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/good_morning_son.jpg |
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| 18:52.12 | Tepetkhet | heh |
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| 18:55.57 | alestane | You guys are determined to make me turn off thumbnailing, aren't you. |
| 18:56.33 | Shadowed | thumbnailing in IRC is never a good idea |
| 18:57.18 | cog|work | i'm surprised you have it on in the first place... |
| 18:57.26 | alestane | I thought it was sort of convenient...and then people link these images that sit in my scrollback until there's enough conversation to force them out of the screen. |
| 18:57.46 | cog|work | so |
| 18:57.47 | cog|work | how |
| 18:57.48 | cog|work | about |
| 18:57.50 | cog|work | them |
| 18:57.55 | cog|work | <sports team> |
| 18:57.59 | Ackis | alestane: what's wrong with http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/good_morning_son.jpg ? |
| 18:57.59 | cog|work | tries to help |
| 18:58.05 | Ackis | pwwns cog|work |
| 18:58.05 | cog|work | ~lart Ackis |
| 18:58.05 | purl | moos at Ackis |
| 18:58.12 | alestane | It's not what I might glimpse that bothers me, it's what gets to stare back at me. |
| 18:58.29 | alestane | What I really wish is that LimeChat just had a "Hide this thumbnail" menu. |
| 18:58.50 | Fisker | lad os bolle cog|work |
| 19:00.19 | cog|work | nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e' Fisker |
| 19:01.34 | alestane | Oy, Tlinzhai. |
| 19:02.13 | alestane | (Maybe) |
| 19:02.22 | Ackis | interesting, I've never heard this said before: Security dude said that the best browser security is for all users to use different browsers (makes sense) and to keep them patched, opposed to saying FF > IE or Chrome > FF, etc |
| 19:02.53 | alestane | A moving target is harder to hit? |
| 19:03.21 | alestane | Except that that means you'l eventually bring each different security hole to any given site. |
| 19:03.54 | Ackis | exploits require specialization and if there isn't a majority, they won't target browsers (aka IE) |
| 19:03.58 | Jamash | clearly we should make a browser that uses the source code of every other browser |
| 19:04.02 | Jamash | hybrid vigor ftw |
| 19:04.20 | cloudwolf | these place holder models are making me sad |
| 19:04.26 | cloudwolf | lol i went from looking cool to looking plain |
| 19:04.32 | Kraps | <Ackis>exploits require specialization and if there isn't a majority, they won't target browsers (aka IE) <---- faulty logic imo |
| 19:04.55 | Jamash | they will target browsers, they just won't hit everyone with a single exploit |
| 19:05.28 | foxlit | Wonder why reloading in a raid requires ages. |
| 19:05.34 | Jamash | except as long as 99% of users have flash installed they will hit everyone |
| 19:05.48 | Ackis | it's the same analogy as a Mac vs Windows, just on a browser scale... more people use Windows so you're writing stuff to exploit it because it's a better return on investment |
| 19:06.07 | Jamash | the network effect rains on the just and unjust alike |
| 19:06.57 | cog|work | jest ewe weight |
| 19:07.25 | Dagmar | Ackis: What he said is both true, and unrealistic. What would be "best" has no bearing on whether or not a recommendation to stop using that piece of shit IE is actually valid. |
| 19:07.46 | Kraps | Ackis: ...people will still write stuff to exploit it |
| 19:07.52 | Dagmar | ...although Flash/Reader are coming goddamn close to catching up with IE |
| 19:08.20 | Dagmar | Now we just have to wait another year for Adobe to actually learn how to sandbox properly. |
| 19:08.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: you think they can do that in just one year? |
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| 19:12.08 | Dashkal | sweet, beta batch today or tomorrow: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702262953&sid=2000&pageNo=30 |
| 19:13.25 | Maldivia | Dashkal: go go trainer UI fox :P |
| 19:13.27 | Maldivia | fix* |
| 19:14.17 | alestane | Sweet, now if I could just tell Xcode that when I type a : in a .py file, it should add a new line that's indented by one. |
| 19:14.32 | Dashkal | And worgen texture fix |
| 19:14.37 | Dashkal | My worgen has a goblin skin on it... |
| 19:14.46 | Ackis | I'm writing up my presentation for Ghana and i keep singing "we're not ghana take it" :( |
| 19:14.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: so i can actually train my new spells?! |
| 19:15.02 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: I bet there's 3rd party utilities that can do that... |
| 19:15.21 | alestane | Probably. I think Xcode supports plug-ins. |
| 19:15.42 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly i'm a) not on my mac, b) not familiar enough with xcode, otherwise i'd offer more advice ;) |
| 19:15.50 | alestane | !g Xcode formatting plug-ins |
| 19:15.51 | batbot | alestane: Xcode Plugins | Download Xcode Plugins software for free at ... <http://sourceforge.net/projects/xcodeplugins/> |
| 19:16.14 | Maldivia | NHTS: the trainer UI is bugged if you have two professions, then the Train button remains unpressable :P |
| 19:16.24 | Maldivia | NHTS: so go drop a profession :P |
| 19:16.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: yes, i know. and no, i won't. :P |
| 19:17.07 | cloudwolf | which sucks because |
| 19:17.07 | cloudwolf | i dont want to drop LWing |
| 19:17.07 | cloudwolf | nor do i want to drop skinning |
| 19:17.17 | Maldivia | then wait for the patch :P |
| 19:17.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i kinda worked my ass off to max both LW and JC, i'm not going to drop either of them. |
| 19:17.31 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed, thus my earlier statment :D |
| 19:17.58 | cloudwolf | :D my lwing isn't maxed |
| 19:18.02 | cloudwolf | but i still worked my ass off lol |
| 19:18.06 | Maldivia | btw, anyone knows if wget (or another similar commandline tool) can support a list of files and specified name to save that file as |
| 19:18.10 | cloudwolf | my skinning is maxed tho |
| 19:18.41 | Dashkal | I wanna do Vash'jir. |
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| 19:19.21 | Dashkal | I couldn't get in before the patch that broke it. For some reason instead of starting the event, the world server went down on mine. But people were getting in so I think I just had crap luck |
| 19:19.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i've maxed out every profession on my collection of alts... >< |
| 19:19.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i... may have a problem.. |
| 19:19.41 | Dashkal | NightHawkTheSane: Might wanna rethink your name :) |
| 19:19.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Dashkal: it's called /irony/ ;) |
| 19:20.04 | Maldivia | You don't say¡ |
| 19:20.09 | Dashkal | I am aware, I just couldn't let that pass |
| 19:20.13 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, yeah :P |
| 19:20.14 | Dashkal | s/,/; |
| 19:21.03 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, it's not that hard, just obnoxious, time consuming, and a little expensive |
| 19:21.31 | Dashkal | That's why my leatherworker is stuck on rugged... |
| 19:22.09 | Dashkal | Can't even throw money at the problem. Stuff sells for much the same as heavy borean (or did last I looked) |
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| 19:24.05 | NightHawkTheSane | and, with luck, i may actually be able to play wow again by monday >< |
| 19:24.09 | NightHawkTheSane | shakes his fist at video cards |
| 19:24.54 | Lopeppeppy | murder mine while you're at it, NHTS? |
| 19:25.15 | NightHawkTheSane | sure? but it still works right, that's better than mine :P |
| 19:26.07 | Lopeppeppy | Define... "works" more narrowly? |
| 19:26.42 | alestane | Yeesh, Xcode has language rules for ADA. |
| 19:26.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ... displays video? :P |
| 19:26.49 | alestane | Ada, rather. |
| 19:28.08 | alestane | And Fortran, even. |
| 19:28.16 | Shirik | lol Ada |
| 19:28.55 | NightHawkTheSane | well that went from "kinda neat" to "k.. wtf?" |
| 19:28.56 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
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| 19:39.09 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmGVYki-oyQ&feature=related |
| 19:43.00 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, the card does not display nothin'. :) Might help to plug the computer in though. |
| 19:43.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, i like the way this elagently steps around what's actually being said: "My girlfriend used it to tie two ropes together, something that, for whatever reason, we seemed to need to do fairly regularly." |
| 19:43.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: :P |
| 19:46.06 | Lopeppeppy | Someone needs longer ropes. |
| 19:46.08 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/443/ |
| 19:46.15 | Ackis | Shirik: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ghana#Education You see the sentence where they list the # of schools of each type? Does each number have to have a reference or just the sentence? |
| 19:47.12 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: sadly, he's right. modern tents don't often have rope :( |
| 19:48.03 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause they don't pack right. My tent has 30 feet of rope with it. |
| 19:50.44 | zenzelezz | hm... in the future it would be wise to run my dishwasher before I run out of plates |
| 19:50.57 | Adys | ~ping |
| 19:50.57 | purl | ~pong |
| 19:51.21 | Dashkal | ~pong |
| 19:51.22 | purl | ~ping |
| 19:51.50 | Kraps | Ackis: i'm pretty sure just the sentence, if it were several sentences you might need to do them after each one |
| 19:52.58 | Ackis | Kraps: that's how I use it in my research papers, but wikipedia is weird |
| 19:53.36 | Kraps | yes it is |
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| 19:53.52 | alestane | At what point in the C->Objective-C++ evolution did "A?: B" enter the language? |
| 19:55.20 | Kraps | did you guys see youtubes new bar? |
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| 19:55.40 | Kraps | holy shit its annoying |
| 19:55.46 | foxlit | alestane: probably along with gcc? |
| 19:56.11 | alestane | How widespread is it? |
| 19:56.23 | foxlit | A ?: B is A ? A : B, right? |
| 19:56.42 | zenzelezz | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Suicide-Door.aspx |
| 19:57.18 | alestane | Basically, foxlit. It's roughly equivalent to Lua's "A or B". |
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| 20:01.24 | zenzelezz | they probably invented that in Objective-C(++?) to make people forget how unhappy they were with lines like "[self setViewController:[[[UIViewController alloc] initWithFrame:CGRectMake(0,0,100,100)] autorelease]];" |
| 20:02.57 | foxlit | Doubt it |
| 20:03.23 | zenzelezz | yeah, not really... I just like to vent my dissatisfaction with the Objective-C syntax (and typical use) |
| 20:03.31 | cloudwolf | lol zenzelezz sucks to be that tech department |
| 20:03.51 | Ackis | lua needs real case statements |
| 20:04.00 | Ackis | that's my thought for the day |
| 20:04.15 | Kraps | so this is a real ad? NSFW http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/demotivational-posters-peta.jpg |
| 20:05.39 | zenzelezz | http://www.peta.org/mc/NewsItem.asp?id=7889 |
| 20:06.04 | alestane | Lua has table lookups, Ackis. |
| 20:06.34 | foxlit | alestane: having a function call overhead for a case statement is unappealing |
| 20:06.38 | alestane | You make a table full of functions and call whichever one is indexed from your switch value. |
| 20:07.11 | alestane | If it's in a high-repetition context. |
| 20:07.37 | alestane | if..then...elseif..etc is wordy but functional. |
| 20:07.54 | zenzelezz | http://failbook.com/2010/07/29/funny-facebook-fails-we-shouldnt-tell-about-elvis/ |
| 20:09.01 | cloudwolf | LOL |
| 20:09.06 | cloudwolf | i like how the guy makes a good joke at the end |
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| 20:09.52 | zenzelezz | yeah |
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| 20:10.42 | Kraps | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/funny-facebook-hit-dog-fail.png |
| 20:12.17 | Ackis | http://thereifixedit.com/2010/07/29/historical-thursday-memento-mori/ that's really interesting IMO (pictures of dead people, not gory/scary/ugly, historical context of what was acceptable at the time) |
| 20:13.02 | Ackis | tekkub: Bacon is the chocolate of meat. |
| 20:13.40 | Tepetkhet | What about bacon covered in chocolate? |
| 20:14.09 | Tepetkhet | http://www.vosgeschocolate.com/category/bacon_candy_bars |
| 20:14.20 | Ackis | lol |
| 20:14.29 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:18.23 | Torhal | lands a Terran Command Center on Fisker. |
| 20:20.59 | Ackis | Fisker: does the outhouse fly around your missions/bridge? |
| 20:21.24 | NightHawkTheSane | bacon chocolate is actually amazingly delicious. |
| 20:21.30 | NightHawkTheSane | assuming its done right |
| 20:21.36 | Tepetkhet | They sell it in the shop across the street. |
| 20:21.47 | Tepetkhet | Those chocolate bars I linked, I mean. |
| 20:21.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, its pretty well distributed |
| 20:21.57 | Ackis | 28 degrees...humidex reading of 33 here today, so freakin hot |
| 20:21.57 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i meant in general, but yeah |
| 20:21.59 | Tepetkhet | One of my co-workers tried it. Said it was...just okay. |
| 20:22.18 | Tepetkhet | I asked a question earlier, then got wrapped up in work. I'm sorry. :( |
| 20:22.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine it depends on the company. I've had some that was abolutely amazing |
| 20:22.59 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: you got Mrs. cog hooked on hyperboleandahalf |
| 20:23.01 | Tepetkhet | The question about coding by hand, I meant I guess as opposed to using some sort of helper application or using prebuilt code from um...snippets, libraries, "borrowed", etc. |
| 20:24.04 | Torhal | After driving around and making calls, I have determined that there are no SC2 CE available in my area. |
| 20:25.01 | Ackis | Torhal: ebay |
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| 20:25.23 | Jelly|Work | HOLA |
| 20:25.30 | Jelly|Work | ... or HOLLA, whichever |
| 20:25.39 | Tepetkhet | I'm not asking to be malicious or start a political argument, but a programmer once told me that he doesn't really write his own code from scratch. Is it considered unethical to, say, take a function from another addon, rework it and reuse it in another? I guess that's a political question after all, isn't it... |
| 20:25.43 | cog|work | ojai |
| 20:26.20 | Ackis | Tepetkhet: depends tbh |
| 20:26.27 | Tepetkhet | For example, cog, I think you put up one of your addons as part of "public domain" now. Does that mean people freely reuse it in their addons? |
| 20:26.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Tepetkhet: it depends, specifically regarding addons, some people write from scratch, some people use existing libraries. It often depends on the scope of the addon, the experience of the developer, and their own personal feelings. |
| 20:26.34 | Torhal | Ackis: Last resort. I went to walmart.com and they gave me the option to order it, so I did. There is hope. |
| 20:26.48 | Ackis | Torhal: good luck buddy |
| 20:26.48 | cog|work | Tepetkhet: yep |
| 20:26.53 | Torhal | Ackis: Danke. |
| 20:27.06 | Torhal | Then again, walmart.com said that a store I went to today had it in stock... |
| 20:27.08 | Torhal | So... |
| 20:27.12 | Torhal | I'm probably owned. |
| 20:27.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Tepetkhet: If you take large sections of code from another addon and use them directly, that enters an area where that addon's license may come into play |
| 20:27.21 | Jelly|Work | cog|work: I wanna steal ur addonz! |
| 20:27.29 | Tepetkhet | Well |
| 20:27.41 | cog|work | Tepetkhet: "is it considered unethical...?" depends on whether you agree that copyright law is an embodiment of ethics ;) |
| 20:27.48 | Tepetkhet | ugh |
| 20:27.50 | Tepetkhet | Well |
| 20:28.03 | Kraps | Ackis: WHOA at the dead people thing |
| 20:29.09 | Tepetkhet | I'm not very good at writing things myself from scratch. :( |
| 20:29.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Tepetkhet: in practice, though, I imagine -most- developers reference other code in their work, typicall as an example/refernce of how to accomplish something. |
| 20:29.23 | Tepetkhet | And I sort of learn by taking things and reworking them to see what they do. |
| 20:29.45 | cog|work | looking at code to see how to accomplish something is different than taking the physical code and adjusting it to your purposes |
| 20:29.48 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, and in nearly all cases, that's perfectly ok |
| 20:29.54 | cog|work | the latter is exactly why open source licenses were created |
| 20:29.54 | Tepetkhet | Like, taking a segment of code, dropping it in, and changing a few things to see what happens. |
| 20:30.04 | cog|work | to see what happens, yes |
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| 20:30.13 | cog|work | to take that code and put it into your own addon, maybe |
| 20:30.17 | cog|work | (depends on the license) |
| 20:31.31 | Tepetkhet | That's kind of what I figured. |
| 20:31.41 | cog|work | of course, you can always ask the original author for permission. The license only applies to the actual copy that's being distributed with the license. The copyright holder can give you rights entirely separate from whatever others in the "normal" license |
| 20:31.44 | NightHawkTheSane | As an example, if I had an addon that was "All Rights Reserved", i suspect you'd be perfectly okay doing what you said, examining the code, tinkering with it a little bit to see how it all works/fits together. But taking parts of that code and using it in whole/part in your own work that you then distribute.. is not okay |
| 20:32.19 | Tepetkhet | I'm trying to reconcile my inability to produce code from scratch on my own with my desire to avoid ticking off the people whose work I appreciate and respect. |
| 20:32.29 | nicoli_s | holy shit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/06/glenn-beck-university-fox_n_635980.html |
| 20:32.32 | Jelly|Work | Just talk to them about it. |
| 20:32.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Tepetkhet: in general, it really is perfectly okay to look at other people's code for /how/ to do something. |
| 20:32.45 | Jelly|Work | I've never really met an author that's a complete prick |
| 20:32.58 | NightHawkTheSane | and yeah, when in doubt, just asking the author is always safe. |
| 20:33.28 | Tepetkhet | I'm excited about tackling something like this! But it's a little scary, too. |
| 20:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Tepetkhet: also, there ARE libraries that are specifically designed (and have appropriate licenses) to let you use them to simplify aspects of your coding |
| 20:34.27 | Lunessa | Jelly|Work: Lies. You've met me. |
| 20:34.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: you're not a complete prick, i suspect there are several parts of you missing. mostly in your head. ;) |
| 20:35.13 | Tepetkhet | Yeah, I have a LOT to learn still. So far, I found tutorials that showed how to make a button and how to draw a frame. |
| 20:35.19 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: There you go, getting all personal up in my grill. You know you want some. :P |
| 20:35.25 | cog|work | Tepetkhet: |
| 20:35.27 | cog|work | ~wowprogramming |
| 20:35.28 | purl | well, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 20:35.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ very good book. |
| 20:36.00 | alestane | Extremely good book. |
| 20:36.02 | Tepetkhet | That's the book you started working on, too, right cog? |
| 20:36.07 | Tepetkhet | At one point |
| 20:36.11 | alestane | wrote two chapters and is not biased or nothing. |
| 20:36.11 | cog|work | i was more involved with the first edition |
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| 20:36.27 | Torhal | alestane: Double negative! |
| 20:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: eh, around here, i suspect most people would say the same, regardless of their involvement ;) |
| 20:37.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh, i hate tweetdeck so much |
| 20:37.09 | Tepetkhet | I will have to check it out. |
| 20:37.58 | Lunessa | I have a copy of the first edition. I /still/ thumb through it like crazy as a reference. |
| 20:38.06 | Jelly|Work | Lunessa: I've never met you ... but I do owe you a drink. |
| 20:38.16 | Jelly|Work | Me too (it's in my backpack and they always laugh at me at work) |
| 20:38.31 | Lunessa | Jelly|Work: \o/ The best drink ever - a free one! |
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| 20:38.56 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 20:39.21 | Jelly|Work | Lunessa: I'm going to give you a CORONA LITE! |
| 20:39.31 | Tepetkhet | Most tutorials I've found go from "hello world" to "write a function that pulls in and calculates blah blah and makes an input box and blah blah" |
| 20:39.39 | Tepetkhet | With nothing in between. |
| 20:39.49 | Lunessa | Jelly|Work: Shiner, or you're getting a shiner. |
| 20:41.06 | Jelly|Work | I haven't been reading the conversation, but what I would recommend to you would be to find an addon that does what you want to do and just look through the code. Don't copy it, of course but still to get an idea. |
| 20:41.16 | Jelly|Work | Lunessa: Blue Moon? Or ZOMG SHINER? |
| 20:41.28 | cog|work | Tepetkhet: wowprogramming starts by teaching you Lua in Part I, then familiarizes you with the wow environment and basic concepts in part II. Part III has advanced topics and "cookbook"-style chapters. Part IV (the majority of the page count) is reference material for functions, events, etc. |
| 20:41.28 | Lunessa | Blue Moon will suffice. |
| 20:41.48 | cog|work | Fat Tire imo |
| 20:41.54 | Jelly|Work | I'll drink that too. |
| 20:42.08 | Lunessa | As long as it's not Red Stripe, Rolling Rock, or Coors lite. |
| 20:42.25 | Lunessa | (Me actually doesn't like many beers at all). |
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| 20:42.56 | cog|work | speaking of coors... you know how i work at a winery that produces some of the highest quality chardonnays and Pinot Noirs in the US? |
| 20:43.18 | cog|work | William Coors is the owner's uncle... |
| 20:43.20 | cog|work | go figure |
| 20:43.22 | Jelly|Work | lol |
| 20:43.44 | Jelly|Work | I'm not a wine guy ... I couldn't tell you the difference in them if I tried. |
| 20:43.52 | Jelly|Work | "lol that one's red" |
| 20:44.35 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: what's the name of you're winery? |
| 20:44.36 | cog|work | Jelly|Work: you might be surprised ;) |
| 20:44.36 | NightHawkTheSane | your* |
| 20:44.45 | cog|work | http://www.kistlervineyards.com |
| 20:44.52 | Jelly|Work | cog: I might be, true. |
| 20:44.56 | Jelly|Work | I like cooking with merlot. |
| 20:45.06 | Jelly|Work | But it's never expensive by any means. |
| 20:45.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you can get surprisingly good wines for not absurd prises |
| 20:45.23 | NightHawkTheSane | prices. |
| 20:45.25 | cog|work | yep |
| 20:45.28 | cog|work | not ours though :> |
| 20:45.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe ;) |
| 20:45.40 | tekkub | yours aren't good? |
| 20:45.41 | Jelly|Work | I use Yellow Tail and I've only bought one bottle. |
| 20:45.44 | cog|work | i pay $30-60 per bottle at half price... |
| 20:45.54 | cog|work | tekkub: no... they're "absurd" prices... |
| 20:45.57 | NightHawkTheSane | yikes |
| 20:46.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i was going to look for it around here, but at that price.. sorry ;) |
| 20:46.12 | cog|work | and we completely sell out every release |
| 20:46.17 | cog|work | by mail order |
| 20:46.18 | tekkub | I can't bring myself to pay more than $15 for a normal sizd bottle |
| 20:46.21 | NightHawkTheSane | wow |
| 20:46.26 | NightHawkTheSane | that's pretty cool, though |
| 20:46.34 | cog|work | some people spend > $10k per year just on our wine |
| 20:46.42 | Jelly|Work | ... |
| 20:46.48 | tekkub | but then, I'm also happy with boxed white zin and $6 walmart wine you can only get in AR |
| 20:46.50 | Jelly|Work | I wish I had that kind of money. |
| 20:47.03 | cog|work | tekkub: i barf in your general direction |
| 20:47.13 | tekkub | :P |
| 20:47.18 | tekkub | it's damn good wine! |
| 20:47.20 | NightHawkTheSane | you can get decent boxed wine, too, actually |
| 20:47.22 | Jelly|Work | I've never noticed how annoyingly gross it is to hear people eat. |
| 20:47.24 | tekkub | muscadine |
| 20:47.27 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: yep |
| 20:47.30 | malreth | i think the most i ever spent on a bottle was $40. i normally only pay $15-20 for a red and not a dime more than $10 for a white. |
| 20:47.37 | cog|work | i like Black Box wines |
| 20:47.38 | tekkub | can't get it up here because AR has retarded laws about mailing alchy |
| 20:47.54 | Gintaro | I wouldn't drink wine even if it was the last thing on earth! |
| 20:47.59 | alestane | Cab.Sauv. is an excellent wine for both drinking and cooking in my experience. |
| 20:48.01 | Gintaro | I mean, how tasty can bytes get?! |
| 20:48.11 | malreth | ~lart Gintaro |
| 20:48.11 | purl | farts in Gintaro's general direction |
| 20:48.16 | Jelly|Work | takesa note from alestane. |
| 20:48.26 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: there's a lot of dumb laws about alcohol and state lines |
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| 20:48.31 | tekkub | but then I like weird wines anyway |
| 20:48.45 | Jelly|Work | Gintaro: But it lets WoW work in the Linux! I'd hug it, if I could! |
| 20:48.46 | tekkub | muscadine, chokecherry, rhubarb |
| 20:48.59 | alestane | It has a decent body without the more aggressive flavor of a Merlot or Pinot Noir. |
| 20:49.00 | Gintaro | Jelly|Work: not at the moment |
| 20:49.06 | Gintaro | due to a kernel bug iirc |
| 20:49.29 | Jelly|Work | I just got off the beta. |
| 20:50.01 | Gintaro | Then you're running an older kernel |
| 20:50.50 | Jelly|Work | 1.1.42 on my laptop; 1.2 on my desktop |
| 20:50.59 | Gintaro | That's wine, not your kernel |
| 20:51.26 | Gintaro | >2.6.33 and you get the shaft |
| 20:51.50 | Lunessa | malreth: unless you're ordering by the glass. |
| 20:53.39 | Lunessa | has a small bottle of a chardonay in his desk that was brought as an appeasement by a LUSER |
| 20:54.04 | malreth | i have yet to find a chardonnay that i actually like |
| 20:54.24 | Lunessa | malreth: not a big fan myself. |
| 20:54.36 | Lunessa | chicks dig them though |
| 20:54.49 | malreth | i buy cheap chard to cook with, however |
| 20:55.16 | Jelly|Work | Gintaro: Yup, 2.6.32 go me? |
| 20:55.52 | Jelly|Work | makes a mental note not to update, |
| 20:58.42 | cog|work | malreth: french chardonnays are made very differently from california ones. We make ours in the french style. People who don't like white wine in general often love our chards. |
| 20:59.07 | Tepetkhet | cog|work: I thank you. I'll have to look into picking up that book. |
| 20:59.16 | Jelly|Work | You wont regret it |
| 20:59.19 | cog|work | ^ |
| 20:59.22 | malreth | cog|work: are yours sold for less than "not a dime over $10?" |
| 20:59.23 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 20:59.30 | Jelly|Work | malreth: lol |
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| 20:59.32 | cog|work | malreth: oh you joined after that part :P |
| 20:59.38 | Tepetkhet | I was actually worried it would be so outdated as to be useless. |
| 20:59.45 | malreth | cog|work: :) |
| 20:59.50 | cog|work | malreth: 60-90/bottle usually |
| 21:00.02 | cog|work | most are in the 75-80 range |
| 21:00.26 | malreth | cog|work: i was here for that part. i'm only giving you a hard time. :p |
| 21:00.31 | cog|work | oh |
| 21:01.07 | Lunessa | makes malreth drink a gallon of Gallo chardonay. |
| 21:01.09 | Ackis | http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/07/29/article-0-0A9C6E8A000005DC-947_634x471.jpg lol cars worth millions with clamps on them |
| 21:01.18 | malreth | vomits on Lunessa's shoes |
| 21:04.02 | Jelly|Work | puts BOONS in a box for Lunessa to drink out of! |
| 21:04.35 | malreth | Boone's is supposed to be drunk from a bag, not a box |
| 21:04.53 | Jelly|Work | I'd be alright with that. |
| 21:05.02 | Lunessa | seriously, brown paper bag. Before you get to the door of the shop |
| 21:05.08 | Jelly|Work | But if it's coming from the bag, I'm going to piss on it so he gets the full bum experience. |
| 21:06.09 | Jelly|Work | randomly hugs Cairenn! |
| 21:06.13 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:06.20 | Cairenn | hugs Jelly|Work |
| 21:06.29 | Jelly|Work | I wonder if this would work |
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| 21:06.46 | Jelly|lolsenthom | fail |
| 21:06.57 | Lunessa | Why does everyone assume I'm a total lush? I mean, of all the regulars, only malreth has every seen me hammered. :P |
| 21:07.24 | Seerah | maybe it was your FB picture you used to have of you holding the wine glass? |
| 21:07.25 | Jelly|Bored | Becausw we've talked |
| 21:07.29 | Jelly|Bored | yup |
| 21:07.48 | Tepetkhet | Boon's Farm Kountry Kwencher. |
| 21:07.54 | Tepetkhet | Just a step up from wine coolers. |
| 21:09.08 | Jelly|Bored | Actually ... time to leave. ily, lunessa. |
| 21:09.14 | Tepetkhet | Bye |
| 21:09.17 | Jelly|Bored | ... and cairenn and seerah but mostly shirik |
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| 21:09.33 | Lunessa | Seerah: Still have. Malreth took that picture. |
| 21:09.37 | Seerah | mosty Shirik??? :( |
| 21:09.46 | malreth | ~shirik |
| 21:09.47 | purl | hmm... shirik is "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 21:10.00 | Seerah | ah - been a while since I've really looked at pictures (or ones large enough to tell at least) |
| 21:10.13 | Kraps | thats pretty esoteric |
| 21:11.11 | Lunessa | Seerah: It's one of the few decent pictures of me ever taken, so... |
| 21:11.21 | Seerah | we will need to take more |
| 21:11.40 | nicoli_s | yer all drunks in my book if that makes you feel better lunessa |
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| 21:12.09 | Lunessa | *sings* How dry I am... how dry I am... nobody knows... |
| 21:12.29 | nicoli_s | but i can feel ya on that one, im the guy everyone just assumes is a pothead at work |
| 21:12.35 | Seerah | I'm not a drunk |
| 21:12.36 | Seerah | no no |
| 21:12.38 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 21:16.14 | Kraps | why cant i connect to a game in alien swarm? |
| 21:19.45 | alestane | "I am not an alcoholic...I am a drunk. Alcoholics go to meetings." |
| 21:20.40 | Lunessa | alestane: *nod* |
| 21:20.58 | cog|work | one time i was drunk and made a joke "I'm not as drunk as you think I am... oh wait" |
| 21:21.24 | cog|work | (c wut i did ther?) |
| 21:21.28 | nicoli_s | you should see ckknight drunk :P |
| 21:21.29 | Lunessa | lulz |
| 21:21.36 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: I *have* |
| 21:21.41 | ckknight | you don't know me |
| 21:21.45 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:21.59 | nicoli_s | but id say im a pretty amusing drunk myself |
| 21:22.01 | Lunessa | Birthday shots and liquor at BC'09 |
| 21:22.06 | nicoli_s | though i do occasionally start picking fights... |
| 21:22.38 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 21:22.42 | Tepetkhet | ckknight: do you have a pet rodent? |
| 21:22.44 | DWSR | The Zeratul/Kerrigan cinematic. |
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| 21:22.48 | ckknight | Tepetkhet: a hamster |
| 21:22.53 | Tepetkhet | I have always wondered. |
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| 21:23.00 | ckknight | why? |
| 21:23.03 | *** part/#wowuidev Huuph (~chatzilla@0xbcb3216a.fxnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 21:23.39 | nicoli_s | cuz you always wear that shirt that says "ask me about my rodent" |
| 21:23.54 | Tepetkhet | ahaha |
| 21:24.13 | ckknight | :P |
| 21:24.22 | Tepetkhet | < insert something witty about nibbling hay pellets here > |
| 21:24.32 | ckknight | oh, that's for the Chinchilla addon |
| 21:24.37 | ckknight | I also wrote CowTip and PitBull |
| 21:24.41 | ckknight | both animal-themed addons |
| 21:24.49 | Ackis | you owe me a pig based on ckknight |
| 21:24.53 | ckknight | true |
| 21:24.53 | Ackis | I didn't forget! |
| 21:24.55 | Tepetkhet | Yes. |
| 21:25.18 | Tepetkhet | Oh, I didn't realize you wrote PitBull, too. My BF uses that, I think. |
| 21:29.11 | Tepetkhet | I really like that profiles were added to chinchilla. When I switch profiles, though, I always have to reloadui to fix the colours. |
| 21:33.54 | Fisker | slaps ckknight around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:33.56 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:34.04 | ckknight | no Fisker |
| 21:34.16 | ckknight | Tepetkhet: that's a bug, then |
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| 21:35.04 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:35.06 | Fisker | just in time |
| 21:35.13 | Fisker | btw Shirik_ |
| 21:35.15 | Fisker | get a look at that |
| 21:35.16 | Fisker | <- |
| 21:35.28 | Fisker | take a good hard look at my motherfucking boa...voice |
| 21:35.55 | malreth | ~Fisker |
| 21:35.55 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, fisker is like, the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll, on fire |
| 21:36.00 | Tepetkhet | I actually wasn't sure if it was a bug or "as designed". |
| 21:36.05 | malreth | hmm. |
| 21:36.10 | malreth | ~emulate Fisker |
| 21:36.11 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, emulate fisker is "<reply> OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM" |
| 21:36.11 | Lunessa | hrm... I didn't pre-order SC:II and now I want the stupid Mini-Thor pet. |
| 21:36.43 | Tepetkhet | The collector's edition was totally worth the $200 I dropped for the two of us. |
| 21:36.55 | Dashkal | shudders |
| 21:36.59 | Tepetkhet | I was wearing my nerd tags around work yesterday. |
| 21:37.09 | Tepetkhet | The Jim Raynor dog tag USB drive is SOLID. |
| 21:37.09 | Dashkal | As pretty as it looked, I just couldn't bring myself to drop a hundred on that |
| 21:37.38 | Ackis | do you get the pet on the cata beta? |
| 21:37.43 | Lunessa | I never played the original StarCraft. |
| 21:37.46 | Lunessa | Ackis: No. |
| 21:38.11 | Lunessa | I just saw one in Dalaran, and ... it rocked. |
| 21:38.17 | Ackis | Dashkal: it's worth it IMO |
| 21:38.26 | Ackis | Lunessa: you get a free copy of SC1 with the SC2 CE |
| 21:38.47 | Lunessa | Ackis: I'd be shocked if I could find a CE anywhere around here. |
| 21:39.51 | Tepetkhet | Yeah, I actually have my original StarCraft CD... |
| 21:39.59 | malreth | speaking of Thor: http://io9.com/5599251/check-out-the-full-thor-trailer-and-get-hammered |
| 21:40.01 | Fisker | baw Lunessa |
| 21:40.03 | Tepetkhet | But it's nice to have it like that! |
| 21:42.57 | Kraps | anyone want to join me in alien swarm? |
| 21:43.47 | Dashkal | Ackis: Might be worth it, but I already had to give up my daily coffee breaks to get the game at all |
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| 21:46.16 | Lunessa | malreth: hawt |
| 21:46.59 | alestane | O.M.G. |
| 21:47.27 | Ackis | chewbacca riding a squirrel fighting nazis. |
| 21:47.28 | alestane | The Python package bundled with OSX links to all the ObjC runtime stuff even if you run the interpreter interactively from the command line. |
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| 21:47.38 | Ackis | http://twitpic.com/29gnev |
| 21:47.46 | malreth | alestane: yep. it's very handy |
| 21:47.53 | alestane | Makes interactive clarification tests and debugs SO EASY. |
| 21:48.03 | malreth | SO EASY |
| 21:48.14 | alestane | ..a caveman could do it. |
| 21:48.27 | malreth | sssshhh... Fisker can hear you. |
| 21:49.13 | Dagmar | This freenode scanning shit is getting out of control |
| 21:49.22 | Dagmar | 653 connection attempts is a few goddamn too many |
| 21:49.34 | malreth | for some system configuration script that I was writing, i wanted to set a custom icon on an application bundle but got annoyed that there was no command line utility to do so |
| 21:49.54 | alestane | Isn't that just an Info.plist entry? |
| 21:49.55 | malreth | so I just made the call to the Cocoa API for it in python. done |
| 21:50.27 | alestane | Can you create GUI objects from the interpreter? |
| 21:50.39 | malreth | i dunno... haven't tried |
| 21:50.49 | alestane | For an experiment some time. |
| 21:50.57 | alestane | s/for/worth/ |
| 21:50.57 | malreth | but you'd have to construct the app delegate and all that crap manually |
| 21:51.21 | malreth | then manually set up all the bindings |
| 21:51.54 | malreth | i know that there are some pyobjc frameworks that'll do all that for you, tho. it's possible to write a gui app in python |
| 21:52.06 | malreth | but from the interpreter... |
| 21:52.27 | alestane | You can also bind Python classes to objects in Interface Builder. I'm asking about the interpreter just for test purposes. |
| 21:52.35 | Dagmar | The harder thing to explain is why you're coding it in python |
| 21:52.52 | alestane | ...because the alternative is Objective-C? |
| 21:52.57 | malreth | or ruby |
| 21:53.02 | alestane | Which I don't know. |
| 21:53.06 | malreth | or AppleScriptObjC |
| 21:53.22 | alestane | Python, I have at least some grasp of. |
| 21:53.43 | Dagmar | A bit like saying "why have sex with little boys when there's all these dead camels around |
| 21:53.52 | malreth | everything that you do in IB is possible to do in code. i'd wager that it would be possible to build a gui app from the interpreter |
| 21:54.08 | alestane | Not sure I want to try building an NSOutlineViewDataSource in AppleScript. |
| 21:54.39 | malreth | but i'm having flashbacks of writing hundred line programs in BASIC and then telling my sisters to never unplug the computer OR ELSE YE GET THE BACK OF ME HAND |
| 21:56.11 | Lunessa | malreth: no cassette drive? |
| 21:56.19 | Dagmar | Well, most of these interfaces build from XML now, including Glade |
| 21:56.20 | malreth | nope |
| 21:56.27 | Lunessa | malreth: oh the pain. |
| 21:56.41 | Ackis | zomg imagine 2 SSD's in a Raid 0? |
| 21:57.09 | Dagmar | Ackis: Wouldn't that be called "newb configuration"? |
| 21:57.47 | malreth | we lived below the poverty line back then... my parents scrimped and saved to buy me a cheap ATARI computer. eventually, we got a 5 1/2" floppy drive for a couple hundred dollars. |
| 21:58.13 | Gintaro | If you can live below the poverty line the line isn't low enough! |
| 21:58.42 | Gintaro | life live |
| 21:58.48 | Gintaro | I always get confused |
| 21:59.02 | Gintaro | prolly live |
| 21:59.11 | malreth | it's live. you got it right |
| 22:00.00 | alestane | http://www.mikeash.com/pyblog/friday-qa-2009-11-20-probing-cocoa-with-pyobjc.html , malreth. |
| 22:00.24 | alestane | They say you can go ahead and spawn a window. |
| 22:01.01 | alestane | I wouldn't try to build a whole application that way, but for testing exactly how a particular call works, it's handy. |
| 22:02.16 | Lunessa | malreth: Yeah, I feel the pain brother. I had to leech time on my friend's Commodore64 and his buddy's Vic20. Luckily they had cassette drives so I spent my cash buying tapes to hold my work. |
| 22:02.33 | malreth | those were the days |
| 22:02.44 | alestane | Glory days! |
| 22:03.25 | malreth | anyways... time to go home. later |
| 22:03.29 | Lunessa | later |
| 22:03.32 | Dagmar | The best was that the disk drives were clone hardware |
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| 22:03.50 | Dagmar | Two hours of poking and prodding got me three more floppy drives on my C128D |
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| 22:15.02 | |Jelly| | yay home! |
| 22:17.09 | cloudwolf | Ok im lost in the beta now i just finished the harpie chain in hyjal i have no idea where to go now... lol |
| 22:17.31 | ZorbaBeta | cloudwolf, submit bug report |
| 22:17.34 | Cide | that craks me up, cloudwolf |
| 22:17.39 | Cide | cracks |
| 22:17.51 | cloudwolf | zorba how is that a bug? :D |
| 22:17.58 | Cide | pacing bug |
| 22:18.01 | ZorbaBeta | I'm completely serious about that - getting lost is a bug |
| 22:18.03 | cloudwolf | k. |
| 22:18.18 | ZorbaBeta | any time the player is confused or annoyed, it's a bug in the game design. |
| 22:18.37 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, unless the game design involves intentional confusion or annoyance, but WoW doesn't ever. |
| 22:18.56 | Maldivia | the harpie chain, what's the name of those ? |
| 22:19.00 | Cide | ZorbaBeta knows, because that's his area of expertise |
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| 22:19.33 | Cide | shh |
| 22:19.47 | cloudwolf | maldivia its the Aviana chain |
| 22:19.50 | Maldivia | ahh |
| 22:20.11 | Maldivia | well, the last one of those sends you back to Ysera, that sends you on to the next hub |
| 22:20.42 | cloudwolf | well i see no more quests |
| 22:20.54 | cloudwolf | i basically just finished my air jousting |
| 22:21.07 | Maldivia | ahh, those are optional |
| 22:21.34 | Maldivia | you dont have any quests in your book? |
| 22:22.09 | cloudwolf | just the abrysal ride that i can't complete |
| 22:22.35 | Maldivia | well, that's another zone :P |
| 22:22.40 | cloudwolf | i know :D |
| 22:22.50 | cloudwolf | you asked abotu quests int he book. |
| 22:22.57 | cloudwolf | but no i don't have any more quests in this place |
| 22:23.01 | cloudwolf | but aparanelty there are 2 more shrines |
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| 22:23.16 | Maldivia | you picked up the big egg, and "hatched" it? |
| 22:23.36 | cloudwolf | yes |
| 22:23.41 | cloudwolf | air jousitng is after that |
| 22:23.53 | cloudwolf | air jousting wasn't realy optional it was but it wasn't |
| 22:24.15 | Maldivia | did you pick up the quest to go see ysera after you turned in the egg quest? |
| 22:24.36 | cloudwolf | yes and she just sais something like oh i was hoping she would come back although shes been slighlty warped |
| 22:25.09 | cloudwolf | found another shrien no quests or flight pathes here hmm |
| 22:25.20 | Maldivia | hmm, ysera should send you to the next hub |
| 22:25.42 | Maldivia | can't remember if there's a small RP act before the quest is available or not |
| 22:26.47 | cloudwolf | meh whatever |
| 22:26.50 | cloudwolf | off to live i have a raid in 30 mins |
| 22:27.14 | cloudwolf | although the joy of the raid is slightly dead knowing ill replace the stuff with greens in the first 3 quests lol |
| 22:28.08 | Maldivia | depends what you're raiding |
| 22:28.18 | cloudwolf | icc 10 reg |
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| 22:28.38 | cloudwolf | only icc 25 heroic gear doesn't get lul instantly replaced XD |
| 22:28.58 | Maldivia | ICC25 doesn't either, with enchants and gems and bonuses they are still better |
| 22:29.22 | cloudwolf | Meh compared to my icc10 loot ive replaced most of it except for trinkets |
| 22:29.48 | Maldivia | you don't like the +143 int trinkets (or str or agi, depending which class you play) |
| 22:30.25 | cloudwolf | not when i sacrifice |
| 22:30.41 | NeoTron | cloudwolf: the first zone(s) doesn't seem to replac 25 man icc gear |
| 22:30.42 | cloudwolf | 131crit or 153 haste rating + around 1k ap with a proc |
| 22:30.52 | NeoTron | esp if you're not looking to enchant the green gear |
| 22:30.57 | cloudwolf | well imin icc 10 and havn't gotten past blood wing yet |
| 22:31.48 | jnwhiteh | anyone have a wsj.com account? |
| 22:31.59 | jnwhiteh | I want to read this article, but I don' subscribe |
| 22:35.56 | Dagmar | jnwhite: Google the title, and click in that way. It'll probably bypass their restriction. |
| 22:36.51 | foxlit | gr |
| 22:37.05 | foxlit | One of the achievements is "complete mission in 20 minutes" but there's no way to check the timer :/ |
| 22:37.15 | Cide | stopwatch |
| 22:37.23 | Cide | and you can see it after the mission is complete! |
| 22:37.23 | foxlit | It's not real time |
| 22:37.32 | foxlit | Which is a fat load of help :) |
| 22:37.41 | Cide | if you do it once you can calculate the time factor |
| 22:37.55 | Cide | are you playing on fast or faster? |
| 22:38.12 | foxlit | Campaign, Cide. Don't get to choose speed. |
| 22:38.17 | Cide | sure you do |
| 22:38.19 | Cide | it's in game options |
| 22:38.30 | Cide | fast is default |
| 22:38.40 | Cide | unless that doesn't in fact change the game speed but I felt like it did when I changed it |
| 22:38.53 | Cide | s/doesn't in fact/in fact doesn't/ |
| 22:39.28 | foxlit | Hm, was fast |
| 22:39.40 | Cide | I believe faster is roughly 1.5x real time |
| 22:39.43 | Cide | but not sure |
| 22:43.24 | Cide | Shirik, ping |
| 22:49.17 | Dagmar | foxlit: I could have sworn I saw the timer under one of the menus |
| 22:50.23 | Dagmar | 'course, I'm pretty much just hamfisting Fn keys when I need to light a smoke or something, so there's no telling what I was looking at for sure |
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| 22:57.36 | Dezzimal | foxlit: just do it really really fast :D |
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| 22:59.43 | Tepetkhet | Alrighty, time to head home and work on understanding this stuff! :D |
| 22:59.55 | Tepetkhet | Thanks for putting up with me. |
| 23:02.02 | foxlit | Dezzimal: really fast or recklessly fast, though? |
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| 23:23.20 | Kraps | sooooo... is SC2 worth $60 to me? |
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| 23:24.01 | Maldivia | Kraps: download it and get a guess pass to find out |
| 23:24.08 | Maldivia | guest* |
| 23:24.34 | Kraps | hands Maldivia 1 internets |
| 23:25.28 | Maldivia | Kraps: with the retail version of the game comes 3 guest passes, that gives 14 days or 7 hours played, what ever comes first, to give to people to try the game |
| 23:26.03 | Kraps | so where do i download it for free? |
| 23:26.12 | Maldivia | from battle.net |
| 23:26.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: poke? |
| 23:27.02 | ZorbaBeta | yo |
| 23:27.07 | ZorbaBeta | what's up? |
| 23:27.16 | Kraps | Maldivia: i only see the option to buy |
| 23:27.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i assume you're the 'ZorbaTHeHut' from here, yeah? http://blog.reddit.com/2010/07/rms-ama.html |
| 23:27.55 | Dagmar | Yeah they left out the bit about having to buy a copy to get the guest passes to try it out |
| 23:28.14 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, though they nicely mangled my nickname :P |
| 23:28.15 | Dagmar | I'm not sure the digital download versions has guest passes |
| 23:28.35 | Kraps | any of youse has one then? |
| 23:29.11 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, yeah. still, neat. |
| 23:29.11 | Dagmar | I thnk it comes down to "Did you like Starcraft and WC:IIIFT?" |
| 23:29.20 | Dagmar | It's got a bit of both and a TON of polish |
| 23:29.29 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I'm glad it got asked. though he didn't answer it particularly well. :) |
| 23:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, he kinda danced around it a little, but he seems to be doing that for a lot of questions that don't really buy into his general philosophy |
| 23:30.52 | Dagmar | RMS has problems with questions |
| 23:30.59 | Maldivia | Kraps: apparently they moved the downloader to the account page now, requireing an active key to download |
| 23:31.11 | Dagmar | " People who think the system is "Linux" assume it was started |
| 23:31.13 | Dagmar | by Torvalds and that it comes from his views on life." |
| 23:31.20 | Dagmar | Large, smelling, load of crap that is. |
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| 23:32.14 | MoonWitch | hey everyone, in particular Cairenn *wink* |
| 23:32.17 | cog|away | MoonWitch: not because of you! |
| 23:32.19 | Cairenn | hi MoonWitch |
| 23:32.23 | Kraps | derrrrrrrrrrp |
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| 23:32.27 | cog|away | time for home! |
| 23:32.30 | MoonWitch | I know sweet cog :) |
| 23:32.39 | MoonWitch | go home then!! |
| 23:32.43 | Kraps | what should i do! |
| 23:33.06 | Kraps | wait |
| 23:33.12 | MoonWitch | drink some vodka and watch porn! |
| 23:33.52 | Kraps | anyone have a boxed copy of SC2 that can give me a guest pass? |
| 23:34.02 | Kraps | MoonWitch: thats for later |
| 23:34.35 | NightHawkTheSane | vodka is never for later. |
| 23:35.08 | Kraps | anyone? |
| 23:36.35 | Kraps | does a cdrw need to be finalized to use? |
| 23:37.55 | Dezzimal | ZorbaBeta: grats on getting the ear of RMS. |
| 23:39.31 | Beutju | can someone tell me why /script ChatFrame1EditBox:Show() doesn't show the editbox? |
| 23:44.23 | Dezzimal | Beutju: possibly because the frame hasn't been created yet |
| 23:44.39 | Dezzimal | is it saying "attempt to index global ChatFrame1EditBox, a nil value" |
| 23:44.59 | Beutju | nope; when I opened the edit box, i can Hide() it |
| 23:45.09 | Beutju | but I cannot Show() it |
| 23:45.15 | Beutju | that's kinda strange |
| 23:45.39 | Beutju | you don't have this editboxframe oO |
| 23:46.08 | Beutju | . /script ChatFrameEditBox:Show() << does this work for you? |
| 23:46.46 | Beutju | because when not using the chatframe number I get an error that it doesn't exist |
| 23:47.05 | Cide | what is Dezzimal doing in here |
| 23:47.38 | Kraps | is currently listening to Theory Of A Deadman - No Surprise |
| 23:52.12 | Cide | that's no surprise |
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| 23:58.09 | Kraps | Dagmar: i bought SC1 but i couldnt stand the oldness of the graphics :( |
| 23:59.15 | Shadowed | Yea I did the same thing :> |
