| 00:00.46 | Lopeppeppy | Welcome to release day snafus, have a nice evening? |
| 00:00.51 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort cloudwolf |
| 00:01.08 | purl | There, there, cloudwolf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:01.08 | cloudwolf | heh |
| 00:01.13 | cloudwolf | meh don't have sc2 :D |
| 00:02.00 | cloudwolf | I may ahve ot go play wc3 again |
| 00:02.03 | Jerub | at least we didn't have normal realm downtime |
| 00:02.04 | cloudwolf | and play some youtd rc1 |
| 00:02.17 | Jerub | i'm slowly buying more saronite for my booties on my druid |
| 00:02.34 | Jerub | who is nearly at 40k hp unbuffed in cow-form |
| 00:02.37 | Jerub | :D |
| 00:02.37 | cloudwolf | to wc3 i go |
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| 00:06.29 | cloudwolf | I wonder if they will ever make a wc4 or if warcraft is just an rpg now and dead in the rts |
| 00:06.56 | Corrodias | yes, but it'll just be a mod in sc2 |
| 00:16.17 | Jerub | i reckon they'll have lots more lore to play with with cataclsym out |
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| 00:22.19 | cloudwolf | so you think they are ognna do wow to wc3 |
| 00:22.47 | Lopeppeppy | nah, just more DOTA! |
| 00:22.57 | cloudwolf | lol thers already HON and LOL |
| 00:23.02 | cloudwolf | if dota comes in any more places |
| 00:23.07 | cloudwolf | ima go kill someone |
| 00:23.54 | Thunder_Child | and the creator of dota works for LoL so he wont be making it in SC2 |
| 00:24.02 | Thunder_Child | i would imagine |
| 00:24.08 | cloudwolf | I mean obviously dotas awsome because if i try to join a game and don't know how to play i get kicked and banned yay! |
| 00:24.17 | cloudwolf | Theres already soem oen remking it for sc2 |
| 00:24.23 | cloudwolf | may not be the original maker of dota but still |
| 00:24.32 | cloudwolf | *some *one *remaking |
| 00:24.58 | cloudwolf | Interesting that the guy who made dota helped for LoL and still gave permission to the people to make HoN |
| 00:25.17 | Thunder_Child | because he gave permission before he worked for LoL |
| 00:25.37 | cloudwolf | Ah |
| 00:25.50 | cloudwolf | i kind of lol a little every time i see LoL |
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| 00:26.10 | Thunder_Child | then. LoL: 1 cloudwolf: 0 |
| 00:27.06 | cloudwolf | All i know is in dota i had the worst experiences with eletist ass holes |
| 00:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | asshats are everywhere. |
| 00:27.30 | cloudwolf | I know but it prevented me form learning and liking the game |
| 00:27.50 | amro | they added player reporting just for that cloudwolf |
| 00:27.53 | amro | people are surprisingly more polite |
| 00:28.18 | ZorbaGama | it's amazing how technological solutions can work for social problems |
| 00:28.31 | ZorbaGama | I've always liked Puzzle Pirates's Blackspot system, and wish WoW would do the same thing |
| 00:28.55 | cloudwolf | whats blackspot do? |
| 00:29.33 | ZorbaGama | cloud, basically, people highly-ranked in reasonably important PP guilds can help with spam censoring - they can toss blackspots on players, and if the player gets enough (I believe it's a small number, but larger than one) then the player is muted |
| 00:29.51 | ZorbaGama | however, abuse of this is bannable, and can also result in the entire guild losing blackspot privileges |
| 00:30.09 | cloudwolf | Hmm |
| 00:30.18 | ZorbaGama | the idea is that you give people with investment in the game some useful tools, and rely on that investment to prevent abuse. it works damn well. |
| 00:30.22 | cloudwolf | wow coudl add that with the new guild perk system kind of easily |
| 00:30.46 | cloudwolf | but itw oudl have to be higher than guild rank 25 lol |
| 00:30.49 | Borgleader | ability to insta kick from dungeons? xD |
| 00:31.04 | cloudwolf | which by doing that you lose your ability to :P |
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| 00:31.20 | cloudwolf | I was in a low level dungion and some guy had to go |
| 00:31.26 | Borgleader | unless the perso is an asshole right away... |
| 00:31.27 | cloudwolf | and he said "kick me" he wouldn't leave and just afked |
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| 00:31.36 | ZorbaBeta | grr |
| 00:31.40 | cloudwolf | so we just kept running for a while |
| 00:31.48 | cloudwolf | cus no one could kick |
| 00:31.50 | ZorbaBeta | don't know if this got through - ZorbaGama> there's a few other things PP does that really encourage a friendly atmosphere, and somehow they've managed to make a joyful and happy atmosphere in what is one of the hardest-core PvP MMORPGs on the planet |
| 00:32.41 | cloudwolf | with aname like puzzle pirates it doesn't sound very pvp lol |
| 00:32.52 | Borgleader | worst i get are a) ppl who suck yet lie to themselves into thinking they dotn b) ppl who hate canadians/mexicans/... c) dks specced 0/0/71 |
| 00:32.56 | ZorbaBeta | it doesn't, but it actually is |
| 00:33.01 | Borgleader | but rarely do i get assholes xD |
| 00:33.09 | ZorbaBeta | there are large bloodthirsty wars over islands and territory with valuable goods |
| 00:33.21 | ZorbaBeta | any ship destroyed in one of these wars is gone permanently, and those things ain't cheap. |
| 00:33.34 | Borgleader | reminds me of eve :( |
| 00:33.45 | ZorbaBeta | it's got a surprising number of similarities to eve, yeah |
| 00:33.46 | Jerub | Borgleader: absolutely nothing like eve. |
| 00:33.55 | Jerub | except that it's also got a real economy |
| 00:33.58 | Borgleader | i meant the part where your ship doesnt respawn |
| 00:34.00 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, I believe you are incorrect on that point :) |
| 00:34.18 | ZorbaBeta | it's more like eve than almost any other mmorpg out there, and I only say "almost" because I can't think of any that are closer. |
| 00:34.39 | Slackwise | <3 my Mini Thor. |
| 00:34.47 | Borgleader | im getting mine tomorrow |
| 00:34.54 | Borgleader | canada post ftl |
| 00:34.55 | Borgleader | wtb ups |
| 00:35.35 | ZorbaBeta | I'm still waiting for mine to show up |
| 00:35.55 | Borgleader | its spose to get here tomorrow |
| 00:37.49 | ZorbaBeta | hey apparently mine is delivered and I signed for it |
| 00:38.13 | amro | keep your clones in check, ZorbaBeta |
| 00:38.27 | ZorbaBeta | and there it is right outside my front door |
| 00:38.52 | ZorbaBeta | (I don't actually have a problem with this, it's a safe neighborhood and I live in an apartment building - very often the deliveryman will just leave stuff outside our doors if he can get in the building) |
| 00:40.21 | Jerub | ugh, google hit me up again, this time for a SRE position. |
| 00:40.39 | ZorbaBeta | not interested in google? |
| 00:41.23 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: not really interested in SRE |
| 00:41.27 | Jerub | heard it's very high stress |
| 00:41.48 | ZorbaBeta | fair enough, I never knew anyone who worked in SRE |
| 00:42.09 | Jerub | i have a friend who did it on adwords |
| 00:42.25 | Jerub | apparently performance review forms had a field for how much money you lost google that quarter |
| 00:42.38 | Jerub | it was measured in millions :( |
| 00:42.50 | ZorbaBeta | haha, that doesn't surprise me |
| 00:43.02 | ZorbaBeta | I knew someone who made a one-character typo that cost Google, in his words, "a hell of a lot of money" |
| 00:43.13 | ZorbaBeta | note that this was the guy in charge of about half of google's revenue |
| 00:43.30 | ZorbaBeta | naturally, his job immediately after fixing the bug was to figure out exactly how much it had cost. he said it was somewhat depressing. |
| 00:44.53 | Jerub | ugh |
| 00:45.08 | Jerub | another friend who started as a SRE took down 3 datacenters in his first week |
| 00:45.18 | Jerub | he fat fingered something on the wrong system. |
| 00:45.29 | Dezzimal | did you guys read that reddit thread today? |
| 00:45.29 | ZorbaBeta | whoops :D |
| 00:45.34 | Jerub | his job for the next two months was a) documenting what happened b) making sure it never happened again |
| 00:45.38 | Dezzimal | assuming that isn't what spawned the conversation here |
| 00:45.42 | Jerub | Dezzimal: the "reddit costs X dollars" one? |
| 00:45.45 | Dezzimal | no |
| 00:45.50 | ZorbaBeta | I managed to waste a few thousand CPUs for a month or two, but that was relatively unimportant |
| 00:45.55 | Jerub | Dezzimal: no, i've got a recruiter emailing me, that's what sparked this |
| 00:46.02 | Dezzimal | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/cuc07/iama_wildly_incompetent_network_security_admin/ |
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| 00:52.44 | ZorbaBeta | grr stupid internet connection |
| 00:53.17 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: at least you're not in australia |
| 00:53.33 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* phone i want is on a 30 backorder |
| 00:53.40 | Thunder_Child | 30 person* |
| 00:53.48 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, lately it's felt like I was :( |
| 00:53.57 | ZorbaBeta | I got an upgrade to my connection which was meant to quadruple its speed |
| 00:54.06 | ZorbaBeta | two weeks later and I'm at less than half the speed I started with |
| 00:54.09 | Jerub | tee hee |
| 00:54.11 | Niv | gg |
| 00:54.21 | Dezzimal | that thread is a pretty funny read |
| 00:54.28 | Dezzimal | gotta hope I never end up working for someone like that |
| 00:54.50 | Jerub | i wanna know his ebay account |
| 00:54.51 | Jerub | :P |
| 00:55.09 | Borgleader | anyone ever read this epic article: http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html ? |
| 00:55.51 | Dezzimal | I remember that getting linked on /. |
| 00:56.37 | Dezzimal | I thought to myself, "Fuck yeah I'm a hacker now!" |
| 00:57.17 | Borgleader | if hes a hacker, im super leet pro hacker of doom, ima take on google naoh |
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| 00:57.35 | Borgleader | no but srsly, i laughed the entire time i read this |
| 00:58.16 | Dezzimal | I'd be a pretty proud father if my son exhibited any of that behaviour |
| 00:58.32 | Dezzimal | Especially #4 |
| 00:58.37 | Dezzimal | if I caught him with K&R |
| 00:58.38 | amro | http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/27/class-action-lawsuit-against-apple-alleges-that-ipads-get-too-hot-when-used-in-the-sun/ |
| 00:58.48 | Borgleader | Hehe |
| 00:58.56 | Dezzimal | "I swear I just was just trying out pointers, nothing serious dad!" |
| 00:59.04 | Borgleader | I dont have the K&R but I do have two C++ books that are hundreds of pages thick |
| 00:59.10 | Borgleader | I study Soft. Eng. in Uni |
| 00:59.16 | Borgleader | rofl |
| 01:00.39 | Borgleader | I like how apple is giving away free iphone cases because....the iphone4 doesnt have reception if you "dont hold it right" |
| 01:00.47 | Borgleader | or at least, thats what i read |
| 01:01.32 | Dezzimal | yeah they put the antenna in a stupid spot, a loop around the outside edge of the phone or something |
| 01:02.14 | ZorbaBeta | it's a pretty reasonable place to put the antenna |
| 01:02.33 | ZorbaBeta | the problem is that it was placed so that holding the phone normally could cause a human hand to bridge two antennas that were not meant to be bridged |
| 01:02.52 | cogwheel | why am i reading shit when i have SCII!!!!11????/ |
| 01:03.02 | ZorbaBeta | there were certainly solutions available for this. the major theory is that apple simply didn't realize it was going to be a problem |
| 01:03.10 | Thunder_Child | because it's you cogwheel |
| 01:03.43 | cogwheel | it totally slipped my mind -_- I think it was the food |
| 01:03.58 | cogwheel | 1/4 lb ground beef mixed with Worcestershire sauce and finely diced mushrooms & onions; cheddar cheese; avocado; tomato; chipotle mayo; horseradish mustard; onion roll. Yum. |
| 01:04.11 | cogwheel | only thing to make it better would've been bacon |
| 01:04.26 | amro | http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/34473/iphone-4-end-call-decal |
| 01:04.37 | amro | that's what they should be giving out |
| 01:05.11 | cogwheel | it should be a little conductive bubble that you can actually press to connect the two sections of the antenna :E |
| 01:05.29 | cogwheel | it would totally work i bet... |
| 01:06.03 | Borgleader | im sure they made a prototype of the phone before selling it...how did they not notice this? |
| 01:06.21 | Borgleader | i mean...did their test subject have ridiculously small hands that it wasnt a problem? |
| 01:06.32 | cogwheel | they were all disguised in plastic cases out in public |
| 01:06.38 | cogwheel | at least that's my best guess |
| 01:06.44 | NeoTron | Borgleader: is that article a joke? |
| 01:06.50 | NeoTron | I mean it can't be serious right? |
| 01:06.57 | Borgleader | the computer hacker thing? |
| 01:07.09 | Borgleader | i hope not, it makes the whole thing that much more funny |
| 01:07.09 | NeoTron | right |
| 01:07.15 | NeoTron | it makes it scary |
| 01:07.17 | Borgleader | also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk_ATM0xjo0 :) |
| 01:08.05 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel: not plastic, iphone3g cases |
| 01:08.05 | amro | it's clearly a joke |
| 01:08.09 | NeoTron | there's no way it's real yes |
| 01:08.10 | amro | at least if you read further down |
| 01:08.18 | NeoTron | Linyos Torovoltos - right |
| 01:09.40 | Borgleader | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adequacy.org |
| 01:09.51 | Borgleader | not a real article after all |
| 01:09.54 | Borgleader | i shall go mourn |
| 01:10.54 | Dezzimal | heh |
| 01:11.14 | Dezzimal | Adequacy was an inspiration to me in my formative years |
| 01:12.46 | ZorbaBeta | god sc2 takes forever to install |
| 01:13.19 | Borgleader | i hope having the beta installed will make it faster :( |
| 01:13.49 | cogwheel | ZorbaBeta: and i can't get the downloaded installer to run from a burned DVD... have to copy the whole thing to the HD and then install :| |
| 01:13.57 | ZorbaBeta | cogwheel, ouch |
| 01:14.03 | ZorbaBeta | borg, it won't |
| 01:14.06 | cogwheel | it just exits silently |
| 01:14.14 | Borgleader | darn :( |
| 01:14.19 | ZorbaBeta | cogwheel, I opened up a filemonitor to see what it was actually doing |
| 01:14.27 | ZorbaBeta | turns out it's spending a ton of time reading the same files over and over again |
| 01:14.28 | ZorbaBeta | gg |
| 01:15.20 | Borgleader | file...ometer? (also, what easy addon should i try doing? possibly involving frames. im new at this) |
| 01:15.51 | ZorbaBeta | haha, and the installer uses 360mb of RAM |
| 01:16.02 | ZorbaBeta | borg, "filemon" - it reports on all files that are being opened and closed on your hard drive |
| 01:16.33 | ZorbaBeta | wow, it's been installing for half an hour and it's just at 50% |
| 01:17.32 | Borgleader | it says "Filemon has been replaced by Sysinternals Process Monitor" |
| 01:17.34 | Borgleader | :S |
| 01:18.11 | ZorbaBeta | oh, yeah, that works too |
| 01:20.16 | Borgleader | not like i had a choice all i could do was press ok, and when i did it closed. :( |
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| 01:21.53 | warz | oh wow, did not expect such a packed channel |
| 01:22.11 | cogwheel | holy crap <3! the jukebox in SCII |
| 01:22.18 | ZorbaBeta | borgleader, btw, the problem with choosing an addon is that most of the easy stuff has been done already |
| 01:22.27 | Borgleader | i dont want to do something new |
| 01:22.37 | ZorbaBeta | so either you need a clever idea, or you're gonna be duplicating someone's work |
| 01:22.42 | foxlit | cogwheel: missing "rewind" button, it is. |
| 01:22.49 | foxlit | Enjoyable, however. |
| 01:22.50 | Borgleader | i want to not do something too complex and just...get stuck |
| 01:22.55 | ZorbaBeta | ah, that makes sense |
| 01:22.55 | Borgleader | i need something easier :S |
| 01:22.58 | warz | nah ive got an idea what doesnt exist yet |
| 01:23.08 | ZorbaBeta | I'd answer but I tend to not have simple ideas, so, uh, probably the wrong person to talk to ;) |
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| 01:23.20 | Borgleader | hah |
| 01:23.40 | ZorbaBeta | more than once I've written something with the rationale "well, these guys told me it was impossible, and I wanted to disprove 'em" |
| 01:23.53 | ZorbaBeta | "see, it's totally possible, I just did it" |
| 01:24.19 | Borgleader | reminds me of mythbusters... "you cant do that its impossible..." oh really? |
| 01:24.43 | Dashkal_ | Lead balloon? |
| 01:24.48 | Borgleader | Bingo! |
| 01:24.58 | Borgleader | and a huge ass balloon it was :P |
| 01:25.21 | ZorbaBeta | borgleader, yeah, I deeply agree with their philosophy :) |
| 01:25.52 | Borgleader | that and the recuring theme of...we like to blow stuff up |
| 01:25.53 | Borgleader | :) |
| 01:26.42 | Dashkal_ | An episode isn't complete anymore unless SOMETHING gets destroyed... |
| 01:27.08 | Borgleader | yeah pretty much |
| 01:27.19 | Dashkal | I hate it when I forget that I have a terminal already on irc and start a new one... |
| 01:27.19 | Thunder_Child | because that gives the best rating |
| 01:27.38 | Dashkal | The funny thing is it works for mythbusters, but I hate destroyed in seconds |
| 01:27.53 | Borgleader | i hate that too |
| 01:27.57 | Borgleader | but the setting isnt the same |
| 01:28.11 | Borgleader | mythbusters blow stuff for for "science" and mostly for fun |
| 01:28.18 | Dashkal | Exactly |
| 01:28.24 | Borgleader | destroyed in seconds...those are accidents/catastrophes |
| 01:28.28 | Borgleader | from what ive seen |
| 01:28.58 | Dashkal | for the most part |
| 01:29.45 | Dashkal | But it fails in that regard for me too. I don't get the 'trainwreck' desire to keep watching. (Nevermind that they do trainwrecks). Mayday accomplishes that at least. |
| 01:30.35 | Borgleader | Again I think mayday has an "educational" part to it |
| 01:30.45 | Borgleader | in mayday they go "this guy screwed and this is why it happened" |
| 01:31.05 | Borgleader | destroyed in seconds is just like "oh look, hes about to die" |
| 01:32.05 | Dashkal | hmm, wonder when discovery canada is gonna play the last couple mb eps of this season. I'm seeing nothing but repeats but there are a couple I haven't seen. |
| 01:32.46 | Borgleader | they arent repeats. theyre re-hashes. old myths, new package. apparently they have "new material" in the form of small interviews |
| 01:32.46 | kd3 | woot! the target on the way from work had a collectors edition sc2 just sitting there |
| 01:32.56 | kd3 | tears open the shrinkwrap |
| 01:33.02 | Borgleader | gratz! |
| 01:33.04 | Borgleader | mines in the mail |
| 01:33.07 | Dashkal | no, I mean outright repeats. As in I remember the exact sequence of myths |
| 01:33.14 | Borgleader | Oh :S |
| 01:33.55 | Borgleader | well tbh i torrent them from eztv and the latest episodes are all re-hashes (following the top 25 mythbuster moments) |
| 01:34.10 | Borgleader | best part about my sc2 order, is i made it in 2008 xD |
| 01:34.34 | Dashkal | But there are 3 or so eps after Kari returns that I haven't seen. I'd have to check the site top see exactly how many I'm missing. |
| 01:34.55 | Dashkal | And damnit, I really want to play sc2... Anybody need a php/drupal programmer for a short-term telecommute contract? |
| 01:37.26 | kd3 | yay! "Youâve successfully activated StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty. Use your Battle.net account to log into and play the game. If you need to download the StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty client, click the download link below." |
| 01:37.43 | Dashkal | pouts at kd3 |
| 01:37.56 | ZorbaBeta | pfft, I got past that stage almost an hour ago |
| 01:39.01 | Borgleader | I hate that i have to use my auth. to log into sc2 |
| 01:39.16 | Borgleader | i wish itd only be for wow and accessing the bnet account |
| 01:39.24 | Borgleader | its not like theres anything to steal in sc2 |
| 01:39.27 | Borgleader | i think? |
| 01:39.54 | kd3 | sigh. the mount -o remount,unhide trick is necessary again |
| 01:43.22 | Arrowmaster | kd3: you running on a 64bit os? |
| 01:43.28 | kd3 | ya |
| 01:43.45 | Arrowmaster | i had to disable mmdevapi in winecfg to get sound |
| 01:44.00 | Arrowmaster | since i dont have a 32bit libopenal |
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| 01:49.10 | Arrowmaster | thats the second time tonight ive crashed trying to switch vtys |
| 01:49.59 | Borgleader | I'm trying to make the "CSTAQGPD?" part of the bottom menu, and basically each letter is a clickable frame which effectively replaces the micromenu from blizzard but its not working :S |
| 01:51.01 | Borgleader | At first I tried understanding the original code but...it didnt quite work out so I went back to the faraframes tutorial and built them with what i found there |
| 01:52.57 | Arrowmaster | now im wondering if these crashing are having any drastic effects on my hardware, my CPU temp is currently being reported as 13C below my motherboard temp.... |
| 01:53.00 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck is that possible |
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| 01:53.07 | warz | i dont know how far fetched this may be, but is there a dev tool that will display what your UI looks like within WoW, as well as create some sort of debug environment? |
| 01:53.13 | warz | so you can like emulate events and stuff |
| 01:55.01 | Borgleader | i thought i saw something that resembled "visual studio express" but for wow addons, never could get it to work though |
| 01:55.01 | ZorbaBeta | warz, nope |
| 01:55.20 | ZorbaBeta | there was one that was being made at some point, but it was always kind of a moving target and I don't think it got very far. |
| 01:55.24 | ZorbaBeta | you just run it inside world of warcraft. |
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| 01:55.45 | Borgleader | i bind a reloadui macro to = |
| 01:55.49 | Borgleader | xD |
| 01:56.37 | cloudwolf | any one recreat secure hooker son allies us side? |
| 01:57.17 | ZorbaBeta | . . . huh? |
| 01:57.36 | cloudwolf | didn't guilds get wiped seen multiple people talking about it |
| 01:57.45 | cloudwolf | or did i get played |
| 02:00.33 | kd3 | nice that the sc2 installer gives a recap of sc1 |
| 02:02.06 | Jamash | LAST TIME, ON "AS THE GALAXY TURNS" |
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| 02:08.09 | Arrowmaster | kd3: it does? |
| 02:08.16 | Jamash | yes |
| 02:08.21 | Arrowmaster | maybe i didnt see it since i used the download one |
| 02:08.41 | Jamash | it's the same slideshow that was on the official website |
| 02:09.30 | Borgleader | I think "SC2 - Ghosts of the Past" is a rather good recap :P |
| 02:09.48 | Arrowmaster | ok and it seems my little sound issue isnt fixed at all, the sounds cut out ingame |
| 02:09.58 | Jamash | drivers imo |
| 02:10.00 | Arrowmaster | now to figure out how to get a working 32bit libopenal1 |
| 02:13.24 | Jamash | gee, a day 1 patch |
| 02:13.31 | Jamash | this is surprising and new |
| 02:15.27 | Borgleader | ever played AoC? we had patches almost everyday for 3 weeks |
| 02:15.37 | Borgleader | and the first day patch...was like 2gb |
| 02:16.07 | Dashkal | *sigh* AoC... such potential wasted |
| 02:16.17 | kd3 | ooh. the launch cinematic's the same as the preview one, just with a voiceover |
| 02:17.14 | Borgleader | yeah AoC had a bunch of neat concepts, the night mode for one. i liked that. it really brought out the "rpg" part of the mmo |
| 02:21.15 | Borgleader | i also played the beta for Star Trek Online....botched mmo tbh |
| 02:21.18 | Borgleader | i was sad |
| 02:21.26 | Shirik | scscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscscsc |
| 02:21.27 | Shirik | Esamynn|Away |
| 02:21.28 | Shirik | go |
| 02:22.08 | kd3 | huh, neat. 23k sc2 games worldwide, 19k here in the us... ~1m players on bnet |
| 02:23.37 | cogwheel | what Shirik said |
| 02:23.38 | Jamash | does mengsk record a personalized message to every single marine in his forces? |
| 02:27.21 | Kraps | holy crap, i had such a severe reaction to the cold medication i took that i had to accept my friends offer to walk me home |
| 02:28.27 | Borgleader | allergic reaction? |
| 02:28.28 | Shirik | Kraps was doing drugs |
| 02:28.51 | Kraps | Borgleader: sleepiness |
| 02:29.01 | Borgleader | ah |
| 02:29.06 | Borgleader | that was my 2nd guess |
| 02:32.42 | warz | On wowwiki, there's a page that mentions the following sentence: "Start with the tutorials WoW supplies (through the custom UI editor)." |
| 02:32.47 | warz | What's the custom ui editor? |
| 02:33.24 | Kraps | piloting a motorized wheelchair + drowsiness = NOT COOL DUDE |
| 02:33.49 | Borgleader | :S |
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| 02:35.20 | Jamash | !addonkit |
| 02:35.41 | foxlit | ~addonkit |
| 02:35.51 | purl | Located at http://tinyurl.com/addonkit the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 02:36.42 | Dashkal | purl_, have a cookie |
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| 02:47.48 | Borgleader | Hmm |
| 02:48.04 | Borgleader | so... <OnClick> fails, where <OnMouseDown> only...semi-fails |
| 02:48.05 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRPGgfz5hcE |
| 02:49.08 | Borgleader | lol |
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| 02:50.03 | Borgleader | NVM i lua failed, <OnMouseDown> works, but why wasnt it working with <OnClick> :S |
| 02:50.23 | Borgleader | all i had was a frame and i wanted it to open/close the character panel whenever i clicked it |
| 02:51.04 | Jerub | i just got a starcraft 2 guest pass |
| 02:52.03 | Borgleader | anyway i thank the spirits of this channel for my progress ;) and Cide for his help yesterday xD |
| 02:52.05 | Jamash | congrits? |
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| 02:58.15 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:58.17 | Shirik | we should 2v2 |
| 02:59.11 | Shirik | Esamynn |
| 02:59.53 | Esamynn | Shirik: |
| 03:00.11 | Borgleader | is there a "legal" way to use ToggleGameMenu() in an addon? |
| 03:01.23 | Esamynn | what do you mean by Legal? |
| 03:02.02 | Borgleader | well when i use the button which calls ToggleGameMenu() I get the "An addon has been blocked... Do you wish to disable it?" |
| 03:02.22 | Arrowmaster | no you can not |
| 03:02.42 | Arrowmaster | which is why fully recreating the micromenu is impossible |
| 03:03.07 | Borgleader | oh well its the least usefull button of them all...well arguably none of them are all that useful but anyway |
| 03:03.09 | Borgleader | thanks :) |
| 03:03.21 | foxlit | wheh, it's a C call? |
| 03:03.25 | warz | i hide mine completely, heh |
| 03:03.39 | foxlit | oh, no |
| 03:05.51 | Kraps | so does that vid break rules 1 and 2? |
| 03:06.05 | foxlit | Borgleader: don't call ToggleGameMenu |
| 03:06.18 | Borgleader | yeah i'll nuke that particular button |
| 03:06.24 | foxlit | ShowUIPanel/HideUIPanel(GameMenuFrame) should be better |
| 03:06.45 | foxlit | Less junk being checked for, at least. |
| 03:08.13 | foxlit | Failing everything, you could use SAB -- your button would end up protected, but it should toggle the menu properly. |
| 03:09.18 | Borgleader | actualy ShowUIPanel/HideUIPanel worked nicely :) tyvm |
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| 03:21.58 | Arrowmaster | YES |
| 03:22.06 | Arrowmaster | i have openal working |
| 03:22.18 | Arrowmaster | simple solution really |
| 03:22.28 | Arrowmaster | sudo rm /usr/lib32/libpulse* |
| 03:22.42 | Dashkal | Killing pulse. Win |
| 03:24.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont even fucking use it |
| 03:24.36 | Arrowmaster | but the 32bit libs are included in the giant pack of 32bit libs for my distros 64bit version |
| 03:25.09 | ajmitch | ia32-libs? |
| 03:25.14 | Arrowmaster | btw anybody know if you can change your character code in SC2? |
| 03:25.17 | Arrowmaster | ajmitch: yes |
| 03:25.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont even see where you can delete your profile and create a new one, is that even possible? |
| 03:26.48 | mikma_ | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/tumblr_l64p1zfxzi1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg |
| 03:29.52 | Bruners | mikma_: afaik haste is in japan for another two days |
| 03:35.08 | Thunder_Child | "'sodomoy' one of the top 10 most common household accidents" |
| 03:35.41 | Thunder_Child | s/moy/my/ |
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| 03:38.06 | mikma_ | bruners: yeap, but he still visits irc |
| 03:40.23 | Arrowmaster | so already a 20 page sticky about this permanent name stuff |
| 03:44.34 | Wobin | http://screencast.com/t/MWJiMzlkZ |
| 03:44.38 | Wobin | who needs SC2? |
| 03:45.56 | Thunder_Child | gratz Wobin, though i am surprised, i thought it started closed beta a while ago |
| 03:46.22 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 03:49.27 | Wobin | yeah, I wasn't expecting it |
| 03:49.40 | Wobin | maybe they're letting everyone in now =) |
| 03:49.42 | Dagmar | I wanna know one thing. |
| 03:49.49 | Dagmar | Did anyone else notice the dancing Night Elf? |
| 03:50.03 | Dagmar | ...and yes, I'm talking about Starcraft II. |
| 03:50.22 | Dagmar | Go to the Cantina in single player mode, and look in the upper left of the screen. |
| 03:53.17 | Yssaril | Dagmar: in the Bar before you get to the ship there is an advertisement on the TV for L800ETC |
| 03:53.43 | Yssaril | and it gives a list of their songs |
| 03:54.06 | Yssaril | Dagmar: and yes i did notice it :P |
| 03:54.35 | Dagmar | The L800ETC commercial appears to air on all TVs |
| 03:55.06 | Thunder_Child | L800? |
| 03:55.08 | Thunder_Child | damn |
| 03:55.12 | Thunder_Child | thats HUGE |
| 03:55.19 | Dagmar | Well, yeah. A lot of time has passed. :) |
| 03:55.38 | Wobin | ..."Today marks the release of this action pic of biblical proportions, where the son of Zeus works to keep the underworld at bay. Blu-ray adds extra scenes, an alternate ending, and other goodies." |
| 03:55.43 | Thunder_Child | i'm just glad it wasnt over 9000 |
| 03:55.48 | Wobin | .... an alternate ending to Clash of the Titans...? |
| 03:55.57 | Thunder_Child | yes, where they lost |
| 03:56.05 | Wobin | they won? |
| 03:56.17 | Wobin | that whole movie was a terrible monotonal blur =( |
| 03:56.45 | Dagmar | I didnt' even look into the new one |
| 04:03.16 | Shirik | L800ETC? |
| 04:03.32 | Seerah | was the beta US alliance guild remade yet? |
| 04:05.01 | |Jelly| | Person number 23084239721 'reminding me' that I have frost aura on. /sigh |
| 04:08.54 | Jerub | i had a kingslayer ret pally pulling threat off me in HoL |
| 04:09.05 | Jerub | was annoying and the first time it's happened to me in a while. |
| 04:09.26 | Jerub | until i realised the nub had RF on :/ |
| 04:09.46 | |Jelly| | Well, with the change in tanking mechanics ... I'm really not sure how much I can put out before pulling aggro. Right now, it seems that if I wait 10 seconds, I pull aggro before I hit obliterate. :| |
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| 04:23.39 | eidolarr | I am getting some odd behavior with GetSpellCooldown where it reports the haste-modified GCD until the GCD has elapsed, rather than the actual cooldown |
| 04:24.01 | eidolarr | for example, if I use Holy Shock, it says 1.5 sec cd for the first 1.5 seconds, then the correct 6 seconds thereafter |
| 04:24.24 | eidolarr | This must be a solved problem because cooldown addons correctly calculate the first second or so of animation; does anyone have any tips before I go crawling around in code? |
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| 04:39.00 | DesertDwarf | Cairenn: Happy Birthday Wobin & Gryphon -- They must be gaining a lot of wait if they're still having cake. |
| 04:40.40 | Wobin | nomnomnom |
| 04:41.00 | DesertDwarf | ohmigosh! Take the cake away. |
| 04:41.15 | Wobin | |Jelly|: on the beta? |
| 04:41.25 | |Jelly| | Yeah |
| 04:41.41 | Wobin | hm, I haven't looked at the dk aura adjustments |
| 04:48.52 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Cataclysm Closed Beta Test Begins http://cot.ag/9v2zkv || Cataclysm Beta Keys for Authors! http://cot.ag/aG4uy6 or http://cot.ag/bYZvjt || "a masturbating communist" - m |
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| 04:50.03 | Thunder_Child | eh |
| 04:51.00 | DesertDwarf | Erm. |
| 04:52.22 | DesertDwarf | Malreth, stop that...or get a room! |
| 04:53.53 | Cairenn | or a video camera |
| 04:54.56 | |Jelly| | ^ |
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| 05:05.08 | Shirik | Cairenn |
| 05:05.11 | Shirik | play with me :( |
| 05:05.23 | Cairenn | Shirik: okay - scrabble? |
| 05:05.28 | Shirik | sc2! |
| 05:05.35 | Cairenn | sorry, don't have it |
| 05:05.37 | Shirik | however scrabble is fun |
| 05:05.38 | Shirik | OH |
| 05:05.41 | Shirik | we got this new break room |
| 05:05.43 | Shirik | at work |
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| 05:05.48 | Cairenn | yeah? |
| 05:05.49 | Shirik | and the company bought Risk |
| 05:05.53 | Shirik | and put it in there |
| 05:05.58 | Cairenn | cool! |
| 05:05.58 | kd3 | ooh |
| 05:06.11 | Shirik | so now we have like ongoing games during lunch |
| 05:06.18 | Shirik | put it away, come back tomorrow |
| 05:06.26 | Cairenn | excellent |
| 05:06.28 | Cairenn | Risk rocks |
| 05:06.31 | Shirik | a bunch of engineers + risk = neverending game |
| 05:06.51 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:06.56 | Jerub | Shirik: i used to play risk on a bbs |
| 05:07.03 | Jerub | Shirik: we'd play multiple concurrent games |
| 05:07.15 | Cairenn | Shirik: no doubt |
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| 05:30.25 | Dagmar | I remember playing games like "JOHNSON INDUSTRIAL CONTROLS: LIGHTING" |
| 05:30.39 | Dagmar | You couldn't play it too much at once or the server would go down |
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| 05:54.01 | DesertDwarf | Anybody have suggestions on handling multiple command line arguments? I'm using a function I found on a web page, but I have a feeling it's causing a conflict with TourGuide. |
| 05:58.03 | Dagmar | I could swear I saw functions for splitting on words |
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| 05:58.50 | DesertDwarf | I found one, but my addon now makes TourGuide throw an error (http://paste.wowace.com/wlr5fh4tc7invsyx/) |
| 05:59.43 | DesertDwarf | My command line parser function is the only thing that has "find" in it, so I'm thinking that's what's causing it. Tekkub got on, but hasn't answered recently. I just need someone who's much stronger on Lua to guide me. |
| 06:00.21 | Yssaril | DesertDwarf: might help if you link your function as well :P |
| 06:00.30 | DesertDwarf | Roger that. Hang on. |
| 06:01.36 | DesertDwarf | http://paste.wowace.com/2267/ |
| 06:02.07 | Yssaril | DesertDwarf: also http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command (should still all work i think) |
| 06:02.26 | DesertDwarf | Not sure if that's the culprit, but since TourGuide's error has to do with find method being nil and since that function is the only part of my code that has find in it outside of a literal string, I have to think that's it. |
| 06:02.31 | Dagmar | You're supposed to be scoping stuff |
| 06:02.44 | Yssaril | DesertDwarf: dont touch string like that |
| 06:03.22 | DesertDwarf | Wasn't my idea. Hehe. I got it off a web page. (Bad web page...shame on you!) |
| 06:03.48 | DesertDwarf | The wowwiki stuff is not very dynamic...I'd have to build a new elseif clause for each argument. |
| 06:04.15 | Yssaril | DesertDwarf: also http://www.wowwiki.com/API_strsplit would be the builtin split function blizzard gives us |
| 06:04.29 | DesertDwarf | Cool. I knew that not! |
| 06:05.15 | DesertDwarf | Heh. I don't recall a function argument that's a string ever being referred to as "subject". |
| 06:06.00 | Yssaril | yea cought my eye as well but as long as you know that is your inoput string you should be golden |
| 06:07.08 | DesertDwarf | I like the string.gmatch on that API_strsplit page (doesn't use strsplit(), but looks more command-line friendly). |
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| 06:11.35 | Yssaril | DesertDwarf: you can always do string.gsub(string, "%s+", " ") to get rid of any double (or more) spaces |
| 06:14.54 | DesertDwarf | I used the string.gmatch thing on the http://www.wowwiki.com/API_strsplit page and it seems to be working. |
| 06:15.05 | DesertDwarf | Grr. Now I need junk items so I can test it. |
| 06:17.31 | Yssaril | lol |
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| 06:21.25 | Wobin | oh god |
| 06:21.31 | Wobin | Multiplex webcomic |
| 06:21.34 | Wobin | thank god I'm home sick |
| 06:21.40 | Wobin | or work would kill me =P |
| 06:22.56 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:23.08 | Wobin | thank you Fisker |
| 06:23.14 | Wobin | I was getting somewhat hysterical =P |
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| 06:35.45 | Shirik | haha |
| 06:35.48 | Shirik | ok I know this is old but |
| 06:35.51 | Shirik | I missed it so http://xkcd.com/768/ |
| 06:35.52 | Shirik | = win |
| 06:37.14 | DesertDwarf | Yssaril: I'm reloading UI over and over test my addon change and one of the times WoW wakes back up, Vyragosa is in the air in front of me. (I was in the air to avoid ground aggro.) |
| 06:38.04 | zenzio | Shirik: lol |
| 06:45.46 | Dagmar | DesertDwarf: WIN |
| 06:54.55 | Dagmar | The songs on the jukebox in SCII kill me |
| 06:55.16 | Arrowmaster | bah SC2 minigame doesnt work in wine |
| 06:55.58 | Jerub | so do i activate my trial now? |
| 06:56.00 | Jerub | or wait a few weeks? |
| 06:56.09 | kd3 | the arcade? |
| 06:56.11 | kd3 | worked here |
| 06:56.15 | Dagmar | There's gotta be a way to put other music in this thing |
| 06:56.34 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i didnt see the enemy projectiles so i couldnt dodge them |
| 06:57.14 | robokitty | DesertDwarf, I caught TLPD on my warrior when he was level 78 |
| 06:57.20 | robokitty | didn't even have epic flying xD |
| 06:57.23 | Arrowmaster | kd3: and i noticed when picking up items near astroids that i could see some text over the astroids but not over the background |
| 06:58.35 | DesertDwarf | Robokitty: Man, that's awesome. I've been looking for him on and off for awhile now and still don't see him. But, I've seen Vyragosa about once a week. |
| 06:58.59 | robokitty | worst thing was, that was the second time I had caught it on that char |
| 06:59.17 | robokitty | the first time I relogged to my main (in Dalaran), hoping to catch it on that char |
| 06:59.22 | DesertDwarf | I had to ask my wife to get on her hunter because I couldn't hit Vyra. I just couldn't reach. (Neither could her bear.) |
| 06:59.25 | robokitty | but when I found it again, it was dead :< |
| 06:59.40 | robokitty | so when I spotted it again, I just grabbed it on my warrior :> |
| 06:59.50 | DesertDwarf | Cool. |
| 07:00.11 | DesertDwarf | I can't commit to CurseForge right now. I'm not sure why. |
| 07:00.28 | DesertDwarf | "Commit failed: Out of date: '/trunk/JunkDrop.toc' in transaction '7-1' You have to update your working copy first." |
| 07:01.23 | DesertDwarf | Oh, wait. I know. Torhal had to manually fix my toc and I didn't pull his down to mine. OK. Whew! |
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| 07:03.53 | Dagmar | ugh |
| 07:03.57 | Dagmar | It's playing Free Bird |
| 07:04.23 | zenzio | can't you at least turn it off if the selection is bad? |
| 07:05.10 | Dagmar | I can just hop out of the Cantina and go push the plot along |
| 07:05.30 | Dagmar | I'll rip open the MPQs later |
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| 07:06.39 | robokitty | Or just click the jukebox and change to a better tune :P |
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| 07:11.03 | DesertDwarf | Thanks for the help, folks. Going to bed now. |
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| 07:28.59 | Fisker | you know what should be illegal kd3 ? |
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| 07:47.39 | Torhal | Fisker: You, out of a coma? |
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| 07:55.37 | Fisker | true Torhal |
| 07:55.53 | Fisker | but also making beta maintenance without a patch |
| 07:55.54 | Fisker | :( |
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| 08:04.49 | Fisker | btw Antiarc |
| 08:04.53 | Fisker | stop disconnect :( |
| 08:05.13 | Fisker | Hello jnwhiteh |
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| 08:19.42 | Wobin | http://multiplexcomic.com/strip/336 |
| 08:19.47 | Wobin | I'm liking this comic =) |
| 08:24.58 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 08:25.00 | Fisker | i like you |
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| 08:30.39 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 08:40.36 | Fisker | so you can't get your arms down? |
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| 09:13.41 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: ohai |
| 09:15.54 | Fisker | seen the new google maps update? |
| 09:19.49 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 09:19.56 | jnwhiteh | what about it? |
| 09:25.12 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 09:25.20 | jnwhiteh | maybe I should install WIndows 7 via bootcamp |
| 09:25.26 | jnwhiteh | I do have like 250GB free |
| 09:25.31 | jnwhiteh | then I could play LoL |
| 09:28.33 | Fisker | :o |
| 09:28.39 | Fisker | you could play SC2 instead |
| 09:28.44 | jnwhiteh | I don't have SC2 |
| 09:31.46 | Fisker | you should |
| 09:34.48 | Eluna | SC2 is sweet. |
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| 09:39.34 | Dagmar | The spec tree (hemhem) in SC2 is f**king awesome |
| 09:46.08 | Eluna | The only thing that saddens me, is the fact that all the "cool" tech is reserved for the campaign. :( |
| 09:46.22 | Eluna | Give me bunkers with automatic turrets in multiplayer! |
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| 09:55.28 | Wobin | LoL? |
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| 10:20.56 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdk2cJpSXLg&feature=player_embedded |
| 10:20.59 | Wobin | so true =( |
| 10:21.59 | Eluna | People still use the 3G...? |
| 10:22.04 | Eluna | Why would you do that to yourself? |
| 10:22.21 | zenzio | not everyone feels the need to buy every generation of the iPhone |
| 10:22.59 | cbreak_work | the iPhone 4 uses 3G |
| 10:24.03 | zenzio | the 3G was the second generation iPhone model |
| 10:24.23 | zenzio | and while it can run iOS 4, it doesn't do it well |
| 10:24.33 | zenzio | the third generation (3GS) does |
| 10:24.41 | krka | People still use iphones? Why would you do that to yourselves? |
| 10:24.46 | Eluna | zenzio: That's like complaining that an old computer can't run Windows 7. |
| 10:25.04 | zenzio | Eluna: in which of my last four lines did I complain about it? |
| 10:25.07 | cbreak_work | Eluna: windows 7 certified computers |
| 10:25.22 | cbreak_work | I think microsoft got sued for that during the vista days |
| 10:25.29 | zenzio | yeah |
| 10:25.34 | Eluna | I meant people in general. Sorry for not making that clear. |
| 10:25.54 | zenzio | Eluna: ah, then I do agree |
| 10:28.41 | Fisker | krka s/still// |
| 10:30.28 | Eluna | I'm getting iPhone 4 on friday, gonna cost me $200. Sold my old 3GS for $500. :P |
| 10:32.01 | Eluna | krka: People still care if people do use iPhones? |
| 10:32.07 | haste | don't you get a iphone4 for 500? |
| 10:32.19 | cbreak_work | Eluna: the true cost is not the phone |
| 10:32.30 | krka | the true cost is your soul! |
| 10:32.31 | cbreak_work | even though they cost around 500⬠|
| 10:32.41 | Eluna | krka: I sold that to Apple years ago. |
| 10:33.13 | cbreak_work | contracts are expensive |
| 10:33.15 | Eluna | cbreak_work: I'm getting a subscription with it, the same I've always had. Which makes it really cheap. |
| 10:33.19 | Fisker | why would you buy a 3GS for $500? |
| 10:33.24 | Fisker | or for any kind of money? |
| 10:33.45 | Eluna | Because the cost of a new iPhone 4 without a subscription is extremely high. :P |
| 10:33.49 | Eluna | Around 900 or so. |
| 10:33.58 | Eluna | At least here in NOrway |
| 10:34.29 | haste | You don't buy iPhones in norway! |
| 10:34.56 | haste | then again, nexus one costs 900 in norway |
| 10:35.14 | cbreak_work | I read the new iPhone 4 costs 500⬠in switzerland, approximately |
| 10:35.36 | cbreak_work | so... no idea what that is in |
| 10:35.40 | cbreak_work | US$ |
| 10:35.46 | Eluna | Norway > * when it comes to the cost of things. -.- |
| 10:36.04 | Eluna | 500⬠= $650 |
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| 10:44.20 | Motig | bah I kept wondering why OnClick didn't work on my frame, then I realised it doesn't work on a frame :p |
| 10:46.55 | jnwhiteh | indeed =) |
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| 10:52.49 | industrial | PEWPEW â︻â³âä¸ |
| 10:56.14 | Motig | is there a way to make the mouse show up in screenshots? |
| 10:56.22 | Motig | both fraps/prtscrn don't seem to show it |
| 10:57.45 | industrial | use hardware accelerated mouse? |
| 10:59.54 | Elkano | talking about things not working, shouldn't fontstring:GetStringHeight() return the line height/height without wrapping? |
| 11:00.34 | Motig | turning off hardware accelerated mouse did the job industrial :p |
| 11:01.38 | Motig | that's what it says on the wiki page atleast Elkano |
| 11:02.28 | Elkano | yeah... for GetStringWidth() it works but for GetStringHeight() I got the same results as for GetHeight() |
| 11:02.51 | Elkano | but fontstrings suck anyways for not returning the correct size when anchored to more than one point :/ |
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| 11:28.10 | Fogger | beta login server is down. |
| 11:39.30 | Wobin | Your argument is invalid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb4mU59-7jE&feature=player_embedded |
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| 11:54.09 | Kraps | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/frogger.png |
| 11:57.01 | Kraps | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 134217728 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 536870912 bytes) in /var/www/mmo-champion-vb/releases/100726232905/vb/cache.php on line 850 |
| 12:00.16 | cbreak_work | php is even less efficient than I thought. |
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| 12:07.41 | Jamash | woooooooooooooooooo day off + starcraft 2 |
| 12:09.21 | cbreak_work | I got into silver yesterday... :( |
| 12:09.30 | cbreak_work | it'll take ages until I fall to broze again |
| 12:10.08 | Arrowmaster | ive just been doing single player |
| 12:10.12 | Arrowmaster | and i suck at it |
| 12:10.51 | Jamash | what difficulty? |
| 12:11.12 | Cide | single player is AWESOME |
| 12:11.15 | Arrowmaster | normal |
| 12:11.20 | Jamash | yeah, you suck |
| 12:11.39 | Jamash | I'm playing on Hard and it's a blast |
| 12:11.49 | foxlit | Hard is the new "Normal" |
| 12:12.01 | Jamash | I tried Brutal but I died on mission 1 and that was that |
| 12:12.30 | foxlit | It's sometimes tricky to get both achievements done at hard, though |
| 12:12.33 | Jamash | yeah |
| 12:12.58 | Jamash | ok so what do the little gold things on some achievements mean? |
| 12:13.01 | Arrowmaster | hell im having issues getting 2 achievements on normal, although part of that is because i dont know what the 2nd one is |
| 12:13.13 | Cide | I managed to do the "don't die a single units to the 'boss' units on normal" achievement on hard |
| 12:13.19 | Arrowmaster | i couldnt fine the last damn diamondback on the train mission |
| 12:13.25 | Cide | fail |
| 12:13.28 | Cide | I found them all after 5 min |
| 12:13.52 | Arrowmaster | i had all but one quickly |
| 12:13.56 | Arrowmaster | then i couldnt find the last one |
| 12:14.48 | Arrowmaster | and what the hell are you supposed to use to take out the gaint mob of mauraders |
| 12:14.57 | Arrowmaster | i just ran from them everytime |
| 12:16.06 | foxlit | giant mob of marines |
| 12:16.20 | foxlit | Or, heck, just charge your giant mob of diamondbacks into them. |
| 12:16.34 | Cide | that's what I did |
| 12:16.44 | Cide | I just ran into them and almost got owned |
| 12:16.49 | Cide | ^ intentionally ran into them |
| 12:16.52 | Arrowmaster | never had enough resources to have a giant mob of diamondbacks |
| 12:17.03 | Cide | I took the top left base almost instantly |
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| 12:17.20 | foxlit | I noticed the base, but never needed the expansion |
| 12:17.37 | Cide | have you done the terrazine mission? |
| 12:18.01 | Arrowmaster | just failed that one and called it for my night long session |
| 12:18.27 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 12:18.30 | Arrowmaster | well i didnt fail but i gave up because i lost my units, had no resources, and they were about to cap off the 5th one |
| 12:18.39 | Cide | I thought it was really difficult on hard |
| 12:18.45 | foxlit | Really? |
| 12:18.50 | Cide | yeah |
| 12:19.01 | Cide | maybe I went about it wrong |
| 12:19.13 | foxlit | Was a breeze for me. I suppose it depends on your storyline progression, too |
| 12:19.18 | Fisker | Cide |
| 12:19.21 | Fisker | i fucked you up |
| 12:19.25 | Cide | sweet |
| 12:19.31 | Fisker | singleplayer sucks :( |
| 12:19.38 | Fisker | because they removed the starmap! |
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| 12:20.24 | Cide | urbad |
| 12:20.40 | Fisker | nou |
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| 12:22.46 | foxlit | The choice missions are actually well done |
| 12:25.22 | Cide | yep |
| 12:25.27 | Cide | they have some difficult choices |
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| 12:28.25 | xDD | BNet down for maintenance? :o |
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| 12:31.37 | Lopeppeppy | probably just overloaded with SC2 again. |
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| 12:34.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | good morning |
| 12:35.36 | zenzio | "canamedlled"... I take it someone had written "called", but someone else wanted to change it to "named", and the second person forgot to double-click |
| 12:36.14 | Lopeppeppy | Nice new word, zenzio. |
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| 12:41.01 | flexd | Logging in to dalaran mid day |
| 12:41.04 | flexd | sigh -_- |
| 12:41.10 | fiphi | :D |
| 12:41.33 | flexd | mbp is instantly superhot |
| 12:41.39 | flexd | and i have like 20fps at most :/ |
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| 12:56.16 | foxlit | iPistol :P |
| 12:56.32 | foxlit | That channel is totally awesome. |
| 12:59.35 | Fisker | old |
| 13:02.59 | flexd | iPistol ? :/ |
| 13:08.59 | Cide | play the sc2 campaign and become a couch surfer |
| 13:11.14 | zenzio | so on this whole big page... I find only two cases of "citation needed". Sounds odd to me, several things in here sound highly speculative: http://www.wowwiki.com/List_of_pop_culture_references_in_Warcraft |
| 13:24.27 | flexd | Damnit |
| 13:24.33 | flexd | How long is the random dungeon cooldown ? |
| 13:27.04 | Cide | 15 min? |
| 13:27.08 | flexd | bah |
| 13:27.17 | flexd | Stupid group to stratholme heroic |
| 13:27.18 | Cide | same as your buff |
| 13:27.52 | flexd | people were leaving before we even started, was only me and another guy left.. apparently leaving gets me a damn debuf |
| 13:27.55 | flexd | f |
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| 13:37.47 | Kraps | woo got my chair speed bumped up! (now lets pray the battery is never gonna give me up/let me down/run around and desert me) |
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| 13:38.25 | Ycarene | Anyone have the issue where if you even go NEAR dalaran, your framerate drops and stays there even after you leave? |
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| 13:41.38 | Lopeppeppy | Dalaran has always been a PITA for me, Ycarene. |
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| 13:42.21 | harl | hola |
| 13:43.04 | A-KO | they're fixing that though |
| 13:43.26 | A-KO | It seems to me that Blizzard is making Stormwind more of the ally capital than IF now, though. |
| 13:43.44 | A-KO | but I think like Org, it'll have quite a few AHs/Banks/Inns itself |
| 13:44.07 | A-KO | You have to figure in Dalaran--a vast majority of people are logged in there at any point in time.....all in the same general location..... |
| 13:44.31 | A-KO | Org itself is getting 2 AHs, maybe 3. A few banks, and tons of inns. |
| 13:44.44 | A-KO | I think I've seen 3 banks, at least 3 inns, and definitely 2 AH's. |
| 13:45.04 | A-KO | so if one area is crowded, just hit up one of the other spots :P |
| 13:46.30 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_E83GfWM-A wtf is the high rated comment about? |
| 13:47.21 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone loves a whiner. |
| 13:48.17 | krka | SW looks awesome now, from what I saw when flying around |
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| 13:49.20 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: whining is one thing, that isnt even standard english |
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| 14:03.59 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:04.25 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik! Happy Wednesday |
| 14:04.40 | Shirik | today is going to suck |
| 14:05.13 | Shirik | I entirely replaced an aircraft component yesterday, so now we get to spend like half the day doing a review to make sure it's right |
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| 14:06.07 | cbreak_work | only half a day? |
| 14:07.51 | Shirik | well |
| 14:07.57 | Shirik | it's not like that's our entire QA process |
| 14:08.01 | Shirik | that's just the part I would be involved in |
| 14:08.34 | Shirik | after it passes review it's up to QA from there :P |
| 14:09.35 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 14:09.39 | Fisker | they fixed my damn bug |
| 14:09.48 | Shirik | good |
| 14:09.54 | Shirik | stop breaking things |
| 14:10.30 | Fisker | i didn't break anything |
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| 14:12.53 | Ackis | fucking entitled users |
| 14:12.58 | Ackis | pissing the fuck out of me |
| 14:13.05 | Fisker | oh u Ackis ? |
| 14:13.27 | Kalroth | Fisker is entitled |
| 14:15.00 | Fisker | I am special Kalroth |
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| 14:19.00 | Shirik | I should get a title for having collector's edition SC |
| 14:19.16 | Fisker | your mom is a title |
| 14:19.34 | Ressy | The pet for SC is causing crashes in wow. lawl |
| 14:19.40 | Lopeppeppy | hot. |
| 14:19.41 | Shirik | really? |
| 14:19.45 | Shirik | I like the pet |
| 14:19.53 | Shirik | as Iriel said, he's quite hyperactive |
| 14:20.02 | Ressy | yeah. Tech Support found an issue with it last night. lol |
| 14:20.13 | Wobin | what is the pet? |
| 14:21.06 | zenzelezz | hyperactive |
| 14:21.10 | Fisker | i haven't seen any crashes yet |
| 14:21.24 | Ressy | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26262798647&postId=262604257870&sid=1 |
| 14:22.06 | Ackis | blizzard really needs to redo their support forums |
| 14:22.13 | Ressy | ? |
| 14:22.15 | Ackis | they should be set up so you can only see your threads |
| 14:22.28 | Ressy | no. Then regulars wouldn't be able to help others. |
| 14:22.29 | Fisker | Blizzard needs to refine singleplayer a bit |
| 14:22.33 | Ressy | Like myself. |
| 14:22.45 | Ackis | regulars don't help other players, they troll and are 100% useless |
| 14:22.56 | Ressy | not always |
| 14:23.01 | Shirik | Beware, Ackis is a troll |
| 14:23.11 | Ackis | Shirik: not in this case |
| 14:23.22 | Ackis | they want you to post pages of diagnostic info which I classify in the "confidential" category |
| 14:23.25 | nicoli_s | Ackis:can i still get that trial key? |
| 14:23.29 | Ressy | o.O |
| 14:23.29 | Shirik | yeah I agree |
| 14:23.33 | Ackis | you're supposed to post that on a public forum? |
| 14:23.36 | Shirik | I've thought about that before |
| 14:23.44 | Ressy | The only confidential stuff, is the computer name. And thats maybe |
| 14:24.01 | Ackis | nicoli_s: forgot last night, Chantelle will be home shortly and I'll grab it from her |
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| 14:24.33 | zenzelezz | bah... I'm only getting between 500 and 750 KB/sec from the SC2 downloader... I expected there to be enough seeders/peers by now to get my full 2 MB :-| |
| 14:24.36 | Ressy | I don't see why people would have a problem posting a dxdiag - its just the hardware you're using, and the drivers... |
| 14:24.44 | nicoli_s | Ackis:thanks |
| 14:24.53 | nicoli_s | im hoping i can use another, got 3 hours left on my first one |
| 14:24.59 | Ressy | Most of which, is the cause of the crashes, which makes it imperative to see it. |
| 14:25.05 | Ackis | Ressy: you don't know what's confidential and what's not, it can release your real name, and does release your loaded processes |
| 14:25.25 | Ackis | I'm not denying it's useful, it's just not information that needs to be posted on a public forum |
| 14:25.46 | Ackis | hell there's also a memory dump (albeit small one) |
| 14:25.59 | Ressy | Which only Blizzard Tech Support staff can read. |
| 14:26.09 | zenzelezz | but it's easier to get enough info from a dxdiag dump than to tell people to go to task manager and list all their running applications, determine all their drivers, etc. |
| 14:26.25 | Ressy | def. The only reason we ask for a processes dump is if theres a keylogger |
| 14:26.28 | zenzelezz | and telling Joe Average what parts of a dxdiag dump is safe to delete would only cause confusion |
| 14:26.50 | Ackis | zenzelezz: I'm not debating it's important, I'm saying having a public forum where this is posted is stupid, and that the forums need to be locked so only you can see your posts |
| 14:27.07 | Ressy | Theres not enough Tech Support GMs to be able to do that Ackis |
| 14:27.19 | Shirik | it's not like Blizzard doesn't make enough money |
| 14:27.23 | Shirik | to be able to |
| 14:27.27 | Ressy | The problem isn't money |
| 14:27.28 | zenzelezz | Ackis: oh, my bad, I missed that part |
| 14:27.30 | Ressy | its the skill. |
| 14:27.30 | Shirik | I'm not saying they should do that, just saying they could |
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| 14:27.46 | Shirik | it does not take much skill to be tech support |
| 14:28.15 | Shirik | it's not like they're doing post-mortem crash analyses over there |
| 14:28.18 | Fisker | it takes immense amounts of technical knowledge to be tech support |
| 14:28.21 | Shirik | if it gets to that point, a dev would be looking into it |
| 14:28.27 | Ressy | It took us about 3 weeks to train Jessicalu to recognize certain things in crash logs Shirik |
| 14:28.33 | Ressy | and Jessicalu was a Tech Support GM. |
| 14:28.33 | Fisker | US support seem to do that |
| 14:28.38 | Fisker | atleast their forum mods |
| 14:28.45 | Fisker | but that could just be something they ask the dev about |
| 14:30.05 | Ackis | is there a sc2 db site somewhere? I want to see all the feats of strength |
| 14:32.25 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 14:32.28 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: none yet |
| 14:32.29 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 14:32.33 | Thunder_Child | http://www.starcraft-source.com/achievement/summary/ |
| 14:32.48 | Ackis | oh Thunder_Child I was stalking you and found your xbox gamertag and added you last night |
| 14:32.58 | Ackis | and by stalking, I have you on raptr |
| 14:33.09 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: which is amusing because i dont have xbox |
| 14:33.11 | Thunder_Child | just the tag |
| 14:33.23 | Ackis | you have some achievements hehe |
| 14:33.24 | Thunder_Child | for IM'ing reasons |
| 14:33.26 | Ackis | and ty for the URL |
| 14:33.27 | Thunder_Child | i do? |
| 14:33.33 | Thunder_Child | investigates |
| 14:33.35 | Shirik | an A321 crashed... |
| 14:34.42 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: that site doesn't have the feats, has the other ones however |
| 14:34.50 | Ackis | has 2 feats of strength /flex |
| 14:34.59 | Ackis | also did anyone get any "secrets unlocked"? |
| 14:35.34 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:35.36 | Fisker | secret mission |
| 14:35.36 | industrial | I'll unlock your secret Ackis |
| 14:35.37 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: interesting, thats actualy GFWL achives i have |
| 14:35.51 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: GFWL == XBox 360 GT |
| 14:36.00 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 14:36.07 | Fisker | SECRET MISSION ACKIS |
| 14:36.20 | zenzelezz | Shirik: where? |
| 14:36.42 | Shirik | Pakistan |
| 14:36.52 | Shirik | 146+6 dead |
| 14:37.45 | zenzelezz | oh, heard about that one... did they have any theories about why yet? I heard it seemed to come in much too low |
| 14:38.08 | Fisker | Param/Value/lib_Camp_FED2D555=<c val="00FF00">Summary</c><n/>There is a Dominion outpost near White Mesa that will soon re-establish control over the area if it isn't destroyed. Tychus Findlay claims that the outpost is just a cover for a Dominion expedition excavating an alien artifact from beneath the surface of Mar Sara. If the artifact can be seized it will fetch a small fortune on the |
| 14:38.08 | Fisker | black market.<n/><n/><c val="00FF00">Objectives</c><n/>Destroy the Dominion outpost<n/>Seize the artifact<n/><n/><c val="00FF00">Mission Value</c><n/>$2.0 mil |
| 14:38.08 | Fisker | Param/Value/lib_Camp_FF11BB3B= |
| 14:38.08 | Fisker | Param/Value/lib_Camp_FF7E2E63=Unlock<n/>Secret |
| 14:38.08 | Fisker | Param/Value/lib_Camp_FFC79135=Destroy the Warp Prisms |
| 14:38.23 | Fisker | >:3? |
| 14:38.26 | Ackis | lies |
| 14:38.38 | Shirik | not that I know of |
| 14:38.44 | Fisker | ianyway Ackis |
| 14:38.46 | Fisker | how far are you? |
| 14:39.06 | Fisker | have you gone to char yet? |
| 14:39.10 | Fisker | btw spoilers |
| 14:39.18 | Ackis | Shirik: bad weather + pilot error is what came up in a quick twitter search (please note the source) |
| 14:39.29 | Ackis | I've done the mars missions and then 3 missions after it |
| 14:39.37 | Ackis | I have all the mars achievements however |
| 14:39.40 | Shirik | tbh |
| 14:39.49 | Shirik | I wish we would just get rid of pilots |
| 14:40.01 | Shirik | I honestly think they are the most dangerous thing in airplanes right now |
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| 14:40.18 | Fisker | have you done Media Blitz yet? |
| 14:40.29 | Shirik | then again, FAA is pushing for that |
| 14:40.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: till AI's start flying |
| 14:40.40 | Shirik | FAA says in 20 years UPS will need no pilots |
| 14:40.48 | Ackis | nope Fisker |
| 14:40.49 | Shirik | and in 30 years passenger planes could be pilotless |
| 14:40.58 | Fisker | when you do it |
| 14:41.00 | Fisker | lower right corner |
| 14:41.03 | Fisker | you heard it here first |
| 14:41.05 | Ackis | I don't like flying :( |
| 14:41.36 | Ackis | no so much afraid of flying itself, just don't like my civil rights being raped in the name of fake security |
| 14:41.54 | Shirik | ha |
| 14:42.05 | Ackis | plus I'm fat and don't want to get kicked off the plane |
| 14:42.07 | Ackis | :P |
| 14:42.10 | Shirik | haha |
| 14:42.19 | Shirik | you should tell them they have to give you free first class |
| 14:43.00 | Ackis | no they just kick people off |
| 14:44.25 | industrial | you can fill a bench with one or three people, three is more money in the pocket :p |
| 14:44.42 | Ackis | nerd talk: http://twitter.com/jpasula/status/19745615220 (me) xbox buddy: http://twitter.com/MajinFro/status/19745825157 |
| 14:45.00 | Ackis | industrial: or you can be a decent human being |
| 14:45.15 | Ackis | which airlines aren't |
| 14:45.25 | industrial | right |
| 14:45.26 | Ackis | although WestJet is hella nice since they give stock options to their employees |
| 14:51.08 | Wobin | Shirik: tbh, I wish we would just get rid of drivers. I honestly think they are the most dangerous thing in vehicles right now |
| 14:51.16 | Shirik | agree |
| 14:51.23 | Shirik | but that's a more complicated problem |
| 14:51.28 | Lopeppeppy | We should all stay home and use the internet! |
| 14:51.30 | Wobin | not any more so |
| 14:51.30 | Shirik | flight is very structured. Driving is.... not |
| 14:51.47 | Wobin | flight still requires human interaction |
| 14:52.06 | Shirik | But you can set up unmanned flight levels, etc. |
| 14:52.07 | Lopeppeppy | Flight is complicated! Wind shear, birds, storms... so many variables. |
| 14:52.27 | Shirik | you have no hope but full integration on the ground |
| 14:52.39 | Wobin | there is, so far, no computer system that can outthink a human when it comes to that sort of decision making |
| 14:52.59 | Shirik | I agree |
| 14:53.07 | krka | depends on who gets to choose the computer and human :) |
| 14:53.08 | Ackis | omg omg omg I'm not banned on the SC2 forums |
| 14:53.17 | Shirik | in fact the biggest thing holding up unmanned flight is vision |
| 14:53.19 | Wobin | so, getting rid of pilots, isn't really a solution |
| 14:53.32 | Lopeppeppy | oh no, here goes ACKIS!! |
| 14:53.37 | Shirik | the natural reaction of a human to avoid something in sight is far superior to the sensors we have now |
| 14:53.48 | Shirik | but |
| 14:53.52 | Shirik | I still think pilots need to go away |
| 14:53.53 | Ackis | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/394405/1/Ackis/ c'est moi |
| 14:54.01 | Shirik | at a minimum they should be present for emergency nly |
| 14:54.02 | Shirik | only* |
| 14:54.13 | Wobin | They pretty much =are= |
| 14:54.22 | Shirik | no I still think they do too much now |
| 14:54.33 | Wobin | ... like... fly through storms |
| 14:54.45 | Wobin | damn them |
| 14:54.48 | Wobin | and their tenacity |
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| 14:56.05 | Wobin | there are, in general ratio of bad to good, more good pilots vs bad pilots than there are good drivers vs bad drivers |
| 14:57.00 | Wobin | So instead of arguing in an area where the high majority of people are seriously highly trained for the job, why not move to a more .. lax scope |
| 14:57.13 | Wobin | Go argue for robot driven cars |
| 14:57.23 | Wobin | you'll save a whole lot more lives that way |
| 14:57.50 | Ackis | pilots are pretty much only useful in emergencies now though, they don't do anything aside from monitoring |
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| 14:58.09 | Shirik | eh |
| 14:58.15 | Shirik | they do more than you'd think |
| 14:58.33 | Ackis | on small planes sure |
| 14:58.39 | Ackis | not on the big jumbo jets |
| 14:58.41 | Shirik | even on large ones |
| 14:58.51 | Shirik | a very common example is dealing with turbulence |
| 14:58.57 | Shirik | making requests for different flight levels |
| 14:58.58 | Shirik | et. |
| 14:59.15 | Ackis | turn on auto pilot and then update it with course/altitude change |
| 14:59.17 | Ycarene | You know, as frustrating as oculus is, I can see why, a surprising amount of people have no idea how to do the mounted combat. |
| 14:59.33 | Shirik | except the guys on the ground don't really know how turbulent the flight is |
| 15:00.39 | Ackis | SC2 feats of strength: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/394405/1/Ackis/achievements/category/4325394 |
| 15:02.18 | Shirik | how is the scenic route a feat of strength? |
| 15:02.31 | Fisker | because it's nearly impossible |
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| 15:04.06 | Ackis | it popped when I still had 1 structure left to kill |
| 15:05.40 | nicoli_s | so you gonna be doing much MP ackis? i wanna play ya |
| 15:05.57 | Shirik | but you can always go back and do it no? |
| 15:06.06 | Shirik | aren't feats of strength supposed to be things that are difficult to go back and do |
| 15:06.28 | Fisker | impossible Shirik |
| 15:06.30 | Fisker | impossible i tell you |
| 15:06.46 | Ackis | nicoli_s: not sure about MP, I'll dabble I think that's it |
| 15:06.55 | Shirik | also |
| 15:06.59 | Shirik | where's my achievement for being in the beta? |
| 15:07.36 | nicoli_s | thats what im saying |
| 15:08.06 | cogwheel | morning RAWR |
| 15:08.31 | Ackis | real ID friends cog|work |
| 15:10.14 | cog|work | SCII made me late to work! |
| 15:10.33 | Ackis | hehe |
| 15:10.35 | cog|work | (by 2 minutes) |
| 15:10.43 | Ackis | zomg |
| 15:11.11 | cog|work | "oh... it's after 7:30 already? Huh..." |
| 15:11.29 | mikma_ | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/cxqqz.gif |
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| 15:14.43 | |Jelly| | cog: There is an app for that -- authenticator. |
| 15:14.59 | |Jelly| | :P |
| 15:15.35 | nicoli_s | cog|work:you and half a million others |
| 15:18.16 | |Jelly| | There /is/ a pve horde guild, right? |
| 15:20.59 | mikma | good lord, this is so funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC14Yqt3MWY |
| 15:21.09 | mikma | especially the lotr1 lotr2 and lotr3 |
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| 15:23.16 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 15:23.22 | Fisker | you're fired |
| 15:23.23 | Fisker | irl |
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| 15:24.35 | Kalroth | aw |
| 15:26.26 | Fisker | oh have i got a bullet between your eyes for you Kalroth |
| 15:27.21 | zenzelezz | mikma: lol |
| 15:28.11 | Wobin | mikma: hehe, now if only they were -actually- five seconds each |
| 15:28.27 | mikma | wobin: couple of them go less than 5secs |
| 15:28.57 | zenzelezz | it seemed like half of them didn't actually claim to be "5 seconds", just very short |
| 15:29.00 | zenzelezz | but I was thinking the same |
| 15:30.47 | zenzelezz | I wonder how many people are actually downloading SC2... how much traffic the ISPs are seeing from that |
| 15:31.20 | Wobin | mikma: although the rocky theme now only ever brings to mind that awesome anime |
| 15:31.32 | Ackis | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/wedwinj3.png the SC2 one is funny |
| 15:31.39 | Fisker | "I'm happy" |
| 15:31.41 | Fisker | "No you're not" |
| 15:31.44 | Fisker | "You're right" |
| 15:31.45 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 15:36.06 | Kalroth | hahaha, the rocky part is awesome |
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| 15:43.01 | Shirik_ | as if on cue, Wobin |
| 15:43.06 | Shirik_ | http://www.defpro.com/news/details/17138/ |
| 15:43.21 | Shirik_ | The FAAâs greatest concern with permitting UAVs to fly in the same airspace as conventional aircraft is the unmanned operator's inability to âsee and avoid,â an aviation requirement under the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) 14, Part 91.113. |
| 15:44.29 | Wobin | Shirik: which also doesn't take into account that people are not going to trust an unmanned aircraft to fly them around =P |
| 15:44.39 | Shirik_ | oh of course |
| 15:44.50 | Shirik_ | I've long been of the opinion that unmanned passenger aircraft will never happen |
| 15:44.54 | Shirik_ | not because it's not possible |
| 15:45.01 | Shirik_ | but because people feel better when there's a pilot around |
| 15:45.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | they need the equivalent of a tram |
| 15:45.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | ...to feel safe |
| 15:45.54 | Wobin | goddamnit |
| 15:45.56 | Wobin | This video contains content from TV Tokyo, who has blocked it on copyright grounds. |
| 15:46.03 | Wobin | I really liked that Gintama Rocky theme |
| 15:48.34 | Wobin | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8xjqi_fun-gintama_animals |
| 15:49.20 | Wobin | Fenny's Monja! |
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| 15:54.07 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:54.08 | Fisker | slaps Shirik_ around a bit with a large trout |
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| 16:03.00 | Jamash | slaps Fisker around a bit with a zergling. |
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| 16:12.49 | Jamash | excuse me for scribblin' |
| 16:12.57 | Jamash | augh it's stuck in my head |
| 16:22.58 | foxlit | "terrible, terrible damage..." |
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| 16:42.31 | cloudwolf | i'm impressed i just received a spam email that had proper grammar. |
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| 16:48.31 | Fisker | Blizzard fails |
| 16:49.05 | cloudwolf | what did they do this time? |
| 16:49.16 | Fisker | terribleterribledamage = god mode |
| 16:49.48 | cloudwolf | talking about npc damage? |
| 16:50.03 | Fisker | no? |
| 16:51.12 | |Jelly| | lol 2h frost reminds me of it spam spec |
| 16:54.59 | Lopeppeppy | muses idly. "So little fun, so much time." |
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| 16:56.41 | alestane | has fun with Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:58.16 | cloudwolf | fisker how well are you geared? |
| 17:00.08 | zenzelezz | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/07/27/demotivational-posters-epic-boobs-2/ |
| 17:01.31 | cloudwolf | zenzelezz that character in the background looks like its from Dr. Gray man |
| 17:01.39 | cloudwolf | who happens to be a guy in the background if htats the case |
| 17:01.41 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 17:02.22 | mikma | seems like we need to create new guild |
| 17:02.24 | zenzelezz | I have no idea what Dr. Gray is, nor what you're getting at. I just found the saying amusing |
| 17:04.06 | cloudwolf | Mikma eu or us? |
| 17:04.15 | mikma | eu, ally |
| 17:04.22 | cloudwolf | lol damn im us ally |
| 17:04.25 | mikma | seems like Secure Hookers was disbanded |
| 17:04.33 | cloudwolf | all of the guild were |
| 17:04.56 | zenzelezz | guess they weren't so secure |
| 17:05.14 | cloudwolf | Heh |
| 17:05.20 | Lopeppeppy | never trust the card swipe slot on a hooker. |
| 17:05.21 | alestane | I suspect they wiped them all out to reset the guild perks stuff or something. |
| 17:05.36 | cloudwolf | Stupid question but is ther eany way to fix the trainers cus i can't train and the only way to fix it taht ive heard is to abandon one of your professions |
| 17:08.13 | mikma | is there a guildmaster in dalaran |
| 17:09.24 | mikma | ok now, i need signatures for the charter :O |
| 17:09.41 | |Jelly| | pve/pvp horde/alliance ? |
| 17:09.59 | mikma | beta eu ally |
| 17:10.21 | |Jelly| | wow .. i'm just no kinds of help there. lol |
| 17:11.00 | cloudwolf | lol jelly im us ally :P |
| 17:11.04 | cloudwolf | so im still no help |
| 17:11.09 | |Jelly| | i'm us horde |
| 17:11.19 | mikma | you can enter eu servers too |
| 17:11.21 | |Jelly| | and want to train my new abilities, damnit :P |
| 17:11.50 | cloudwolf | I know mikma but my mains are on the US server |
| 17:11.53 | cloudwolf | :D |
| 17:12.03 | mikma | create an alt then, duh |
| 17:13.08 | cloudwolf | LOL first green is ilevel 272 im sad now |
| 17:13.24 | cloudwolf | and its an axe |
| 17:13.25 | cloudwolf | D: |
| 17:14.02 | xDD | Woot http://pastebin.com/P7Wxz6AJ |
| 17:14.19 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy / Cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsuFS8uzbzc |
| 17:14.27 | xDD | Yay for MMO companies that allow emulators :) |
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| 17:14.51 | cloudwolf | heh |
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| 17:18.36 | alestane | Talk about herding cats. |
| 17:19.58 | cloudwolf | Fisker you say this may be godmode |
| 17:20.01 | cloudwolf | but to me it isn't lol |
| 17:20.13 | mikma | that went well |
| 17:20.14 | cloudwolf | i dont realy risk dieing on any given fight but non stop combat is not good for my health |
| 17:20.19 | mikma | i asked like 10 signatures and i got 0 |
| 17:20.29 | cloudwolf | lol D: |
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| 17:25.15 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tuller |
| 17:25.21 | purl | tuller <~Tuller@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 20h 54m 46s ago, saying: 'that's not quite what I would consider a laser sound'. |
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| 17:35.34 | cog|work | station |
| 17:35.50 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 17:35.50 | Lunessa | *tiredly* staion, my most excellent friends. |
| 17:35.54 | Fisker | not so hey Gnarfoz |
| 17:36.09 | cog|work | hai Fisker |
| 17:37.59 | Lopeppeppy | heya, lunessa |
| 17:40.58 | |Jelly| | tackles Lunessa and force-feeds him a brew. |
| 17:41.11 | Lunessa | could really use a drink. |
| 17:41.43 | |Jelly| | hmmm |
| 17:41.58 | |Jelly| | 20% extra xp or 4pt10. lol |
| 17:42.40 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 17:42.49 | durcyn | do heirloom experience bonuses still work from 80-81? I thought that was getting disabled. |
| 17:43.05 | |Jelly| | It's working as of now. |
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| 17:43.13 | Lunessa | heirlooms work, but the stats cap at level 80 |
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| 17:43.43 | durcyn | right, but i saw a blizzard poster on the eu forums state that it wasn't something they wanted to allow |
| 17:43.50 | durcyn | nevermind if it works on beta at the moment |
| 17:43.55 | cloudwolf | So... yeah any one know hwo to fix the trainer? ive heard you have to abandon one ofyour professions iw ould prefer not to lol |
| 17:44.13 | Ressy | abandon a main profession, and things work again. :\ |
| 17:44.20 | Ressy | or wait until they decide to finally fix it |
| 17:44.27 | cloudwolf | hmm.. hard choice |
| 17:44.33 | cloudwolf | revocery as a rogue vs eating |
| 17:44.35 | cloudwolf | ... D: |
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| 17:44.42 | cloudwolf | i would lose 40 crit rating lol |
| 17:45.15 | |Jelly| | http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2586/wowscrnshot072810124406.jpg top half of window with heirlooms on and bottom with them off |
| 17:45.52 | cloudwolf | Jelly that seems like ist unintentional |
| 17:46.08 | cloudwolf | i think theyw ill fix that because didnt they pretty much say they didn't want peole using heirlooms to get exp realy fast |
| 17:46.37 | |Jelly| | that's fine |
| 17:47.01 | |Jelly| | but for the time being, I'm going to benefit because 1.68M xp is a lot. lol |
| 17:47.20 | Maldivia | the heirloom items stop working after level 80 |
| 17:47.21 | nevcairiel | heirlooms are supposed to go dead once you hit 80 |
| 17:47.35 | Maldivia | no, once you hit 81 |
| 17:47.44 | nevcairiel | wont increase in item level anymore, and dont give youi bonus xp |
| 17:47.49 | nevcairiel | i'm sure they'll change that, then |
| 17:48.05 | cloudwolf | how is 1.68m a lot ive done maybe 8 quests and im 1/6th the way leveleed |
| 17:48.08 | Maldivia | they become red at level 81, can't equip them, can't benefit from them |
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| 17:48.18 | nevcairiel | cant even wear them anymore? that kinda sucks |
| 17:49.48 | cloudwolf | no it doesn't |
| 17:50.21 | nevcairiel | sure it does |
| 17:50.33 | nevcairiel | i could as well level up with them from lvl 1 to 80 |
| 17:50.37 | nevcairiel | and then suddenly my gear disappears |
| 17:50.41 | Lopeppeppy | you can't stay young forever, nevcairiel. |
| 17:50.54 | Lopeppeppy | But I agree it sucks for people who aren't raiders/dungeon crawlers. |
| 17:51.21 | |Jelly| | First boss in BRC is pretty interesting. |
| 17:51.27 | nevcairiel | shouldnt be a problem to make the exp bonus stop working at 80 |
| 17:51.31 | nevcairiel | i would hope :d |
| 17:51.49 | Fisker | hey |
| 17:51.58 | |Jelly| | hey |
| 17:52.03 | Lopeppeppy | says you, nevcairiel! *laugh* |
| 17:53.59 | nevcairiel | where the hell are all my usb sticks |
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| 17:55.23 | Lopeppeppy | in the refridgerator |
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| 17:56.08 | nevcairiel | i found 2 of them |
| 17:56.11 | nevcairiel | but both are too small |
| 17:56.15 | nevcairiel | i want one of the 4gb ones |
| 17:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Look under the couch yet? |
| 17:56.54 | zenzelezz | check your USB ports |
| 17:58.54 | nevcairiel | meh i'll just unpack a new one |
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| 18:02.43 | Lopeppeppy | You didn't lose your USB sticks, they ran away because you don't care about them enough. :( |
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| 18:05.01 | Borgleader | that is so sad :( orphan usb sticks |
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| 18:07.21 | nevcairiel | i'll find it ev entually, couldnt have gone far |
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| 18:15.06 | Wimpface__ | Why does it keep kicking me off :( |
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| 18:24.21 | cog|work | man i love being able to dislike posts on SCII forums >< |
| 18:24.54 | ckknight | hmm? |
| 18:25.21 | cloudwolf | can you even see your masteries in game? |
| 18:25.23 | cog|work | each post has "like" and "flag" buttons. The flag button has a "dislike" option |
| 18:25.28 | zenzelezz | it peeves me that 51.8% of my SC2 download was through Blizzard's "direct HTTP" |
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| 18:25.46 | ^RaK^ | just disable peer to peer on it so its 100% ? :) |
| 18:26.12 | zenzelezz | ^RaK^: on average my torrent download speed was faster than the HTTP, so it would've taken longer |
| 18:26.24 | cog|work | zenzelezz: the whole thing went on average ~250KB/s for me, 128 of which was from HTTP :( |
| 18:26.26 | zenzelezz | I had just hoped the torrent speed would be greater |
| 18:26.41 | cog|work | it's a 2 MB/s connection |
| 18:26.42 | ^RaK^ | I usually get max speed just from the HTTP 900k/s |
| 18:26.43 | Maldivia | cloudwolf: masteries aren't ingame at the moment since the talent tree change |
| 18:27.15 | zenzelezz | cog|work: at first I was at 500-750 KB, but after ~20-25% it dropped to 300-450. The few times I checked, the HTTP was between 150 and 250 KB/s |
| 18:27.25 | ^RaK^ | But p2p breaks it because of the stupid way blizzard have uploads destroy your whole upload bandwidth |
| 18:27.45 | ^RaK^ | or was when i disabled it ages ago, dunno if they fixed that |
| 18:27.54 | zenzelezz | yeah, think I had uploaded about 3.5 GB by the time my download finished |
| 18:28.58 | Maldivia | is there a way to change the downloader preferences for the SC2 patches ? |
| 18:29.11 | Maldivia | (well, except load up a wow downloader and change it there) |
| 18:33.01 | Legorol | interesting question, Maldivia |
| 18:33.16 | Legorol | especially since i sometimes have to disable p2p |
| 18:37.09 | foxlit | It strikes me that they've kneecapped campaign AI |
| 18:37.24 | nicoli_s | yeah it does seem super easy |
| 18:38.12 | foxlit | Not necessarily easy, just inflexible |
| 18:38.36 | Lunessa | sheeples, they make me crazy |
| 18:39.55 | Lopeppeppy | moi aussi, lunessa |
| 18:40.09 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 18:42.23 | Lopeppeppy | "Why aren't my events on the home page calendar!!??!!!" .... cause you didn't put them in the calendar? << baaaaaaaaa |
| 18:43.02 | |Jelly| | "There's a reset button on my motherboard. Would that make my computer stop working?" |
| 18:43.08 | |Jelly| | Got that the other day. |
| 18:44.07 | Lopeppeppy | "Can you fix my website for me?" "Yes, but only once, you have to go through training." "Oh, nevermind, we'll just take down the entire site." |
| 18:44.23 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 18:45.15 | Lunessa | "I built this form that I want to have a behavior, but I built it with a tool which can never have that behavior. Make it work anyway? " |
| 18:48.06 | Lopeppeppy | "I built this form to take advantage of the behavior, but I don't like the output after all. Can you customize it just for me?" |
| 18:51.52 | Lunessa | Oh look, my Aion account has been involved in a controversial game currency transaction. Funny, I don't remember ever playing Aion. |
| 18:53.10 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 18:53.18 | foxlit | Lunessa: it's like sleep-walking |
| 18:53.30 | foxlit | In your sleep, you engage in controversial currency transactions in Aion. |
| 18:53.34 | Fisker | i'm foxlit |
| 18:54.04 | Lunessa | foxlit: That's hot. I bet I ran a demonic/angelic red light district. |
| 18:54.08 | Lunessa | in Aion. |
| 18:54.14 | Lunessa | For real cash. |
| 18:57.10 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you must have stolen my nonexistent Aion account, because I get those emails too! *gasp* |
| 18:57.18 | Lopeppeppy | Also XBox stuff. I don't even have an Xbox. |
| 18:57.27 | Lunessa | hot |
| 18:57.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'm "hot" because I don't have an Xbox? Neat! |
| 18:58.11 | alestane | Might actually get to teach programming next quarter. Only taken me two years to teach my strongest skill. |
| 18:59.42 | Lopeppeppy | Woot! Does it have a syllabus already, or do you get to create one? |
| 19:00.11 | alestane | The one saving grace working for ITT is that they have a curriculum committee to write all of the syllabi. |
| 19:00.40 | alestane | I'm given a certain amount of leniency in adjusting it, as long as I can argue that it's fulfilling the same stated learning objectives. |
| 19:00.57 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:00.57 | Fisker | slaps alestane around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:01.01 | alestane | Actually, depending on how things fall out I might be teaching two. |
| 19:01.06 | alestane | Python and C++. |
| 19:01.23 | Seerah | crosses her fingers for alestane |
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| 19:02.22 | alestane | Well, I'm pretty sure I'll be teaching two or three classes of some kind. |
| 19:03.22 | alestane | C++ is considered part of the gaming curriculum, Python is our introduction to programming language. |
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| 19:04.18 | nicoli_s | i wish i could go to school for interesting stuff |
| 19:04.29 | alestane | Of course, when the guys who will be going into the C++ classes took intro to programming, it was in VB. |
| 19:05.01 | Fisker | btw Ackis |
| 19:05.09 | Fisker | http://www.ggmania.com/?smsid=29413 <-lololol |
| 19:05.16 | Fisker | people making up stuff ;3 |
| 19:05.44 | Seerah | authenticator for forums? o.O |
| 19:06.13 | Fisker | old Seerah |
| 19:06.30 | Seerah | slaps Fisker with a tuna |
| 19:06.35 | Fisker | old |
| 19:09.10 | durcyn | huh, anyone else getting RPC errors trying to clone from github, or am i special |
| 19:09.22 | nevcairiel | you're special |
| 19:09.28 | durcyn | balls |
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| 19:24.07 | Adys | Can someone explain this to me: |
| 19:24.09 | Adys | http://www.speedtest.net/result/895186814.png |
| 19:24.11 | Adys | This is off my phone's 3g |
| 19:24.23 | Adys | is it throttling or? |
| 19:26.43 | Fisker | UK :o |
| 19:27.10 | Adys | Fisker, ive been in the uk for the past 5 weeks |
| 19:27.16 | Adys | which rock have you been living under |
| 19:27.16 | Shirik | adys is a brit! |
| 19:27.22 | Adys | hi love! |
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| 19:33.54 | xDD | http://www.speedtest.net/result/620048913.png :P |
| 19:34.36 | foxlit | http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-07/order-seven-cyber-guardians-around-world-now-hold-keys-internet |
| 19:36.02 | durcyn | i want to punch the throat of the person who wrote that. |
| 19:36.21 | Shirik | I agree |
| 19:36.48 | foxlit | Nice story, however. |
| 19:37.19 | foxlit | people who choose to drop an, of, the from URLs suck, though |
| 19:37.43 | Shirik | "nternet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), a non-profit watchdog group that has access to a security system designed to protect users from cyber fraud and cyber attacks." |
| 19:37.48 | Shirik | .... what? |
| 19:38.00 | Fisker | look at this shit Shirik |
| 19:38.03 | Fisker | http://www.ggmania.com/?smsid=29413 |
| 19:38.12 | Fisker | 1) Iâve been watching my friends play and occasionally get a turn and it feels like it could be a lot of fun. From what Iâve witnessed the installation and activation process is horrible and completely ruins the game. A couple people couldnât even get it to work on their brand new systems. Youâve got to sign up for an account and have internet access even to play in single player mode |
| 19:38.12 | Fisker | and thereâs no LAN play. Itâs ridiculous that honest paying customers have to put up with all this nonsense. |
| 19:38.12 | Fisker | 2) So you buy a PC game for 60$... and you get a 1/3 of a game, with glitches and hitches and more ways to make money. I remember when I was excited about blizzard games⦠i even bought blizzcon tickets this year⦠I feel dirty now. Why? |
| 19:38.12 | Fisker | 3) $60.00 for this? Blizzard is treading on the loyalty of its longtime fans just for a grab for more money. Are the dumptrucks full of WoW money not getting to the office quick enough Blizzard? It seems like now more than ever âgameâ companies are trying to squeeze every last cent out of its sheep-like fan base. |
| 19:38.14 | Fisker | lololol |
| 19:38.28 | foxlit | Presumably that means they have the DNSSEC private key |
| 19:38.37 | Fisker | Horrible = took me like a minute of waiting |
| 19:38.40 | Shirik | That's just a side effect |
| 19:38.51 | Fisker | 1/3 of a game = hurrdurr |
| 19:38.59 | Shirik | Like |
| 19:39.02 | Shirik | that's not what ICANN is |
| 19:39.04 | durcyn | because DNS-SEC "protects users from CYBER FRAUD", keeeeerist |
| 19:39.07 | Shirik | it just happens to be something they do |
| 19:39.32 | durcyn | such an awful word, this "cyber" word. |
| 19:40.04 | Fisker | i'm a cyberterrorist |
| 19:40.54 | Shirik | baninates Fisker |
| 19:43.30 | Dashkal | O.o 1/3 of a game. Wow entitlement. I want three times the missions of SC1 for that price! |
| 19:44.17 | Lopeppeppy | serious entitlement... this is why I don't try to play for the first few weeks! |
| 19:44.27 | Fisker | Dashkal people are just retarded |
| 19:44.50 | Fisker | they don't understand the concept of decreasing the number of faction campaigns but increasing the number of faction missions |
| 19:44.51 | Dashkal | Sometimes, just sometimes, I see why you troll... |
| 19:45.37 | foxlit | The plothole annoys me |
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| 19:46.25 | Dashkal | Bleh, I wants the game so I can know what hole you're talking about |
| 19:46.31 | Dashkal | Hopefully next week |
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| 19:46.54 | foxlit | It's great fun, too :) |
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| 19:47.41 | Dashkal | Does the game work fully offline after you've activated it once? (A-la steam) |
| 19:47.50 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 19:47.53 | Dashkal | hmm |
| 19:48.06 | foxlit | Steam broke on me too while offline, though :( |
| 19:48.11 | cog|work | you can use 3 guest accounts offline |
| 19:48.15 | cog|work | and only for single-player |
| 19:48.18 | cog|work | (obviously) |
| 19:48.21 | Dashkal | That's perfectly fine |
| 19:48.33 | cog|work | you have to connect to bnet once every 30 days |
| 19:48.36 | Dashkal | SC2 is right on my line for "acceptable DRM" |
| 19:48.54 | eidolarr | I asked this before to no avail: I notice that GetSpellCooldown returns the GCD until it has elapsed, for spells that trigger both their own cooldown and the GCD |
| 19:49.18 | eidolarr | as a result I'm unsure of how to calculate an accurate % of cooldown elapsed for those first few moments, but I know this must be a solved problem because of cooldown addons |
| 19:49.37 | foxlit | cog|work: can you quote that somewhere? :) |
| 19:49.41 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: what happens if you dont? |
| 19:50.21 | alestane | Not sure...CoolFloat ignores cooldown info if it's shorter than a certain length, but it doesn't do any re-checking or anything, so I didn't think the GCD was overriding it. |
| 19:50.38 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: it won't let you play i think... |
| 19:50.53 | Dashkal | wtb a crack that lets me disable that phone home while still letting my use my legit key... (make no mistake, I'm buying the damn thing) |
| 19:51.00 | cog|work | foxlit: all over the place... i think i read it in a faq on battle.net. i'm sure if you google "starcraft 2 battle.net 30 days" you'll find something :P |
| 19:51.07 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: until you do? i mean, what if you're away, or unable to access the internet for a month or two? ;\ |
| 19:51.07 | durcyn | eidolarr: in Heatsink I bucket it for 1 second after SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN fires, haven't really found a better way. |
| 19:51.16 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: sucks for you? |
| 19:51.31 | foxlit | cog|work: google is being unhelpful |
| 19:51.39 | eidolarr | durcyn: I see, thanks, I'll try that |
| 19:51.50 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: that's... really kind of lame. Should at least be able to play single player without ever needing net access. |
| 19:53.10 | Maldivia | durcyn / eidolarr: wouldn't it be easier just to check if the duration is equal to the GCD, and if that's the case, ignore? |
| 19:53.32 | durcyn | Maldivia: the cooldown API is so amazingly broken that you have to bucket anyway, easier to just add a delay |
| 19:53.37 | Dashkal | Can you cache the real cooldown after the first spellcast and remember it from then on? |
| 19:54.02 | durcyn | like, SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN fires every fucking time the user presses a key |
| 19:54.09 | Maldivia | hmm, ok |
| 19:54.13 | Maldivia | sounds painful |
| 19:54.30 | durcyn | caching doesn't work all that well with things that modify durations, and resets like preparation and cold snap |
| 19:54.30 | Maldivia | sounds like the party/raid update events, that fires for every single member when something happens :P |
| 19:54.44 | foxlit | cog|work: I really can't find anything that isn't a user-supplied comment :( |
| 19:54.54 | foxlit | And last I heard was "you have to activate it once." |
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| 19:55.25 | eidolarr | Maldivia: maybe but then you have to account for haste, and it doesn't change that the cooldown can't be accurately determined for those first seconds |
| 19:56.29 | Maldivia | because the cooldown updates first with spell send, and when the server confirms the spell is cast, it updates with the actual cooldown instead |
| 19:56.58 | alestane | Reading the syllabus, it says that when teaching the intro to programming course, you should specifically avoid teaching the specifics of programming in any given language. |
| 19:57.18 | cog|work | foxlit: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/112311280#3 |
| 19:57.22 | durcyn | haste doesn't matter, you have to account for the max possible GCD |
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| 19:57.43 | eidolarr | alestane: that seems silly |
| 19:58.18 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: good in theory, but rarely works out well in practice :P |
| 19:58.30 | Maldivia | durcyn: only spelsl with casting times shorter thatn GCD have that issie, right? |
| 19:58.42 | durcyn | Maldivia: casting time is irrelvant |
| 19:58.45 | durcyn | +e |
| 19:58.47 | eidolarr | many instant spells have it |
| 19:58.54 | alestane | Teach examples in Python or VB, but the goal is to teach fundamentals of software, not functional programming skills. |
| 19:59.01 | alestane | Not sure how well that will work. |
| 19:59.03 | Maldivia | eidolarr: instant is also shorter than GCD |
| 19:59.22 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26262798772&sid=1 - is it bad that I want to reply to this with "qq moar"? |
| 19:59.32 | Maldivia | durcyn: for spell with a casting timer > than GCD, won't the cooldown first trigger on actual cast, after which the GCD is "spend" |
| 20:00.01 | durcyn | Maldivia: no. SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN fires when the cooldown itself starts, cast time has no impact. |
| 20:00.15 | Shirik | (thm (equal (love functional_programming) (love visual_basic))) |
| 20:00.19 | eidolarr | durcyn: so you're saying that cooldown bar addons just throw away the GCD part of the cooldown? or? |
| 20:00.24 | Shirik | Theorem is true. |
| 20:00.29 | durcyn | that it also fires on GCD activation is also just a fun little bug you have to work around |
| 20:00.30 | Ackis | Lunessa: tell them to worry about shit like gearscore first then healing addons. |
| 20:00.49 | durcyn | eidolarr: if GetSpellCooldown() results are less than 1.5, you have to ignore them, basically |
| 20:01.33 | eidolarr | why can't you trim that to account for haste? |
| 20:01.54 | durcyn | there are two issues that you may be confusing though, 1) SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN is unreliable, 2) GetSpellCooldown is unreliable. |
| 20:02.24 | foxlit | Lunessa: "If you don't like it, get your raid members not to use it." |
| 20:02.32 | durcyn | you can, but capturing the GCD requires calling GetSpellCooldown while said GCD is active. which is also unreliable. |
| 20:02.37 | Lopeppeppy | Gods, that's an awesome post, Lunessa. So full of egotism and assumptions it's great. I sympathize, but...wrong forum! Tell the addon authors, not the world. |
| 20:02.50 | foxlit | Also, "demonstrate that the messages actually have an impact on anything" |
| 20:02.53 | Lunessa | foxlit: I opted for the "Since I can't smack you through the internet, I'll keep my mouth shut" option. |
| 20:03.16 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa is a wise man. |
| 20:03.17 | foxlit | This inertial scrolling trackpad update is weird |
| 20:03.43 | foxlit | Does what it says on the tin, but the effect catches me unaware at times. |
| 20:03.47 | eidolarr | durcyn: if you're throwing away <1.5, why do you need to worry about SPELL_COOLDOWN_UPDATE ? |
| 20:04.08 | durcyn | eidolarr: it's either that or poll. how else are you going to know when a cooldown starts? |
| 20:04.35 | durcyn | i suppose you could do something with SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS or so, but same net result |
| 20:05.58 | eidolarr | I thought you said _UPDATE was fired frivolously lots of times |
| 20:06.14 | durcyn | every time a button is mashed, but bucketing fixes that |
| 20:07.16 | eidolarr | polling is sounding better every moment |
| 20:07.18 | Maldivia | durcyn: why not simply ignore all cooldown updates between UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT and UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 20:08.15 | durcyn | i'm not sure how registering and unregistering for events that often is any more efficient than a simple bucket. |
| 20:08.40 | Maldivia | no need to register/unregister - just set an ignore flag :P |
| 20:08.44 | eidolarr | I doubt either incurs a meaningful expense |
| 20:09.02 | alestane | Lunessa: I particularly like "Visual heal is just a fancy addition to unit frames, and not useful in a raid healing atmosphere as most healers don't pay attention to it." In other words, "I don't use this, so please stop spamming me." |
| 20:09.02 | Lunessa | foxlit: Did you get the external trackpad? |
| 20:09.19 | foxlit | Lunessa: no, they updated notebook trackpad handling |
| 20:09.23 | Lunessa | alestane: I make extensive use of it when I heal. |
| 20:09.31 | Maldivia | cooldown updates that comes between those two events will always be GCD cooldown events |
| 20:09.47 | Lunessa | foxlit: *nod* I don't have a trackpad since all my macs are iMacs. |
| 20:10.01 | durcyn | is it even possible to flood people offline with chat messages anymore? i remember doing it once in 2.3 to get an afk person out of a raid, but surely there's some sort of throttling now. |
| 20:10.15 | durcyn | foxlit: eh? haven't noticed anything on my Air, which update was this |
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| 20:11.06 | Lunessa | durcyn: Recent testing done by a few UI forum regulars show that the only person who gets knocked off for flooding is the flooder. |
| 20:11.43 | durcyn | Lunessa: i'm thinking more in a scenario where there are 24 people sending |
| 20:11.46 | Maldivia | don't know if you can flood someone off from a distributed attack |
| 20:12.04 | Lunessa | durcyn: I've never been able to make it happen. |
| 20:12.07 | eidolarr | you should write an addon to do it |
| 20:12.13 | durcyn | i was able to do it with /run for i=1,500 do SendChatMessage(foo) once. in 2.3. |
| 20:12.18 | Maldivia | just cast solar beam :P |
| 20:12.20 | durcyn | with 20-some-odd senders |
| 20:12.23 | eidolarr | coordinate and perform ddos |
| 20:13.02 | Lunessa | Amity did write an AddOn to test with while arguing with someone about "AddOn Spam affects FPS" and the result was "SendAddOnMessage" doesn't seem to impact users who don't process the data. |
| 20:15.10 | Lunessa | so if your ISP is going to knock you off the system for the small numbers of bytes those messages total up, you probably have trouble even playing the game. :) |
| 20:15.41 | foxlit | durcyn: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/27/software-update-brings-inertial-scrolling-and-three-finger-drag-gesture-to-recent-apple-notebooks/ |
| 20:17.10 | Lunessa | foxlit: That might actually make me more inclined to use a trackpad. |
| 20:17.33 | foxlit | It's neat, just sort of sneaks up on you if you were used to it not being there |
| 20:17.34 | cloudwolf | uhm how does one get htiert seahorse i can't find out where i turnt he puffer fish to |
| 20:17.48 | foxlit | cloudwolf: the old hub |
| 20:17.51 | foxlit | But the quest is broken anyway |
| 20:17.53 | cloudwolf | where isthe old hub |
| 20:17.55 | foxlit | So just wait for the next build |
| 20:17.59 | Lunessa | cloudwolf: the guy is in the Kelp Forest |
| 20:18.03 | eidolarr | I wish I liked the apple touch pads, but the texture makes me want to puke |
| 20:18.48 | foxlit | eidolarr: I seem to recall having similar feelings about that while trying them in shops, but my mbp doesn't seem to suffer from it |
| 20:18.49 | eidolarr | almost as bad as construction paper or crayon paper |
| 20:19.00 | eidolarr | my girlfriend has one, same deal |
| 20:19.12 | foxlit | It's a smooth surface, there really isn't much to it beyond that |
| 20:19.15 | eidolarr | objectively awesome but somethnig about the feel |
| 20:19.19 | eidolarr | there's a slight roughness |
| 20:20.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i kind of want to see if i can get the external trackpad to work with wow.. |
| 20:20.28 | NightHawkTheSane | that could be kind of awesome |
| 20:20.54 | alestane | http://machall.com/view.php?date=2002-12-23 |
| 20:20.57 | durcyn | foxlit: what, i have to buy an external trackpad in order to update the internal one, how odd. |
| 20:21.11 | foxlit | durcyn: you shouldn't have to. |
| 20:21.11 | alestane | Have you started cranking through your 'lock yet, Lunessa? |
| 20:21.23 | foxlit | software update just said "hey, get this" |
| 20:21.31 | cloudwolf | that sucks that its broken lol |
| 20:21.33 | foxlit | Perhaps it's not applicable to your notebook model? |
| 20:21.37 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: that could be fun but it would have to have some serious acceleration for PvP I think |
| 20:21.42 | Lunessa | alestane: Still sitting in Hyjal. I have time tonight. :) |
| 20:21.49 | zenzelezz | "Robert Clotworthy"... what an... interesting last name |
| 20:21.58 | durcyn | foxlit: this Air isn't getting it automatically, perhaps i can just downloat the pkg |
| 20:22.08 | alestane | I'll be free for a while. Did they fix the level ranges in Hyjal and Vashj'r yet? |
| 20:22.28 | kd3 | they're 80-82 now, but there are showstoppers early in both zones |
| 20:22.41 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: i imagine that'd be configurable |
| 20:22.42 | foxlit | mm? |
| 20:22.49 | Lunessa | alestane: ^^ |
| 20:22.59 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: at least with a proper utility, but yeah, movement might be tricky to get right |
| 20:23.02 | alestane | Showstoppers? |
| 20:23.08 | kd3 | the abyssal ride is broken, can't go further in vashj'ir... there have been some cave-ins in hyjal, starting at the shrine of goldrinn |
| 20:23.42 | alestane | So you hit points where it becomes impossible to advance the quest lines? |
| 20:23.52 | kd3 | yep, until the next build |
| 20:23.55 | foxlit | at least for kelp forest |
| 20:24.03 | cloudwolf | well i guess i go request a teleport ot hijal |
| 20:24.12 | kd3 | you can kinda work around the hyjal bug if someone has a passenger mount |
| 20:24.16 | cloudwolf | why does mount hyjal sound like a zelda reference lol |
| 20:24.17 | kd3 | you can clip inside the cave, then |
| 20:24.29 | kd3 | anyway, off |
| 20:24.31 | cloudwolf | i don't think it is but lol |
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| 20:24.51 | Lunessa | There's a reason I copied my shaman over twice - I wanted to redo the content when it wasn't as glitchyy for a second pass. :) |
| 20:25.19 | foxlit | And then a third time on live? :) |
| 20:25.42 | cloudwolf | i went into a boat that was sideways |
| 20:25.49 | cloudwolf | talk about mind rape |
| 20:26.59 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: I tried playing with my sister's drawing tablet once and it was not a good experience |
| 20:27.07 | durcyn | cloudwolf: hyjal, hyrule. one syllable, but i suppose it makes sense. |
| 20:27.12 | eidolarr | since it seems to report movement on like, an absolute scale |
| 20:27.30 | Lunessa | foxlit: Actually in wotlk beta I ended up doing the "starter" content like 4 times. I'll probably do something like that in this beta too. |
| 20:28.19 | Maldivia | Lunessa: all the starting areas has changed :P |
| 20:28.28 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: that trackpad is far more accurate than any tablet, though |
| 20:28.55 | Lunessa | Maldivia: I know. I'm also leveling a worgen and a goblin and a gnome and a tauren |
| 20:29.09 | Lunessa | doesn't have enough hours. |
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| 20:37.42 | cloudwolf | IM gonna be doing like all the new starting zones |
| 20:37.54 | cloudwolf | doesn't mean the characters gonna be much higher than 10 and then deleted |
| 20:39.28 | cloudwolf | wow the mobs in hyjal are weaker than those in vash |
| 20:40.09 | Lunessa | hyjal is like Howling fjord - meant for 78+ Vash'jir is meant for 80+ |
| 20:40.40 | A-KO | no |
| 20:40.42 | A-KO | both are 80+ now |
| 20:40.53 | cloudwolf | except that hyjal is 78 mobs lol |
| 20:40.58 | A-KO | they'll fix it |
| 20:41.05 | A-KO | the latest patch notes said 80-82 :P |
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| 20:46.44 | eidolarr | durcyn: can't spells like slow make the gcd > 1.5? |
| 20:51.50 | durcyn | eidolarr: increased casting time doesn't affect gcd/haste afaik |
| 20:52.53 | durcyn | i reserve the right to be wrong about that |
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| 20:53.29 | eidolarr | I thought slow was an exception, I'll have to heck |
| 20:53.32 | eidolarr | check even |
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| 20:54.27 | Maldivia | cloudwolf: Kelp forest was pushed mid transition (hence the broken quest), and hyjal was only just begun transition to 80+ zone |
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| 20:57.03 | Wimpeh` | Sigh, I can't buy gametime for atleast another 12 hours. :( |
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| 20:58.35 | Wimpeh` | As long as I don't miss my key because of that, it's okay though. |
| 20:59.24 | cloudwolf | any oen doen abyssal halls yet |
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| 21:07.36 | Torhal | Wobin: Damn you. I just spent 45 minutes reading Multiplex. |
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| 21:15.25 | foxlit | Battlecruisers are such whiners. "Abandon ship!" |
| 21:16.58 | Spejnar | TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DAMAGE |
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| 21:22.36 | cloudwolf | ok all i know is the naga instance is HARD |
| 21:22.38 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 21:22.49 | Spejnar | throne of tides? |
| 21:23.07 | Adys | Cide: ping |
| 21:23.35 | Adys | actually anyone here with an htc phone? |
| 21:24.38 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 21:24.43 | eidolarr | incredible |
| 21:24.49 | fiphi | Yep |
| 21:25.30 | cloudwolf | spejnar yes throne |
| 21:25.40 | Spejnar | cloudwolf: it looks freaking awesome. cant wait to wipe in 5man again |
| 21:26.01 | cloudwolf | weve wiped about 5 times on the hallway to the first boss |
| 21:26.06 | cloudwolf | the helaers HEAL like mad its insane |
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| 21:26.37 | Spejnar | fucking awesome |
| 21:26.46 | Spejnar | I saw vids with icc25 hm gear wiping |
| 21:26.50 | Spejnar | gonna be epic |
| 21:27.46 | cloudwolf | its hard... |
| 21:27.50 | Cide | Adys, pong |
| 21:27.55 | cloudwolf | its ungodly hard(could just be because masteries arn't working) |
| 21:27.57 | Lunessa | It's not faceroll content, that's for sure. |
| 21:28.06 | cloudwolf | 3 melee dps (not bad) and 3 caster healers |
| 21:28.09 | Spejnar | kinda like the last 5man in tbc |
| 21:28.10 | Gnarfoz | mail servers fucking suck |
| 21:28.15 | Spejnar | the one with blood elves and a fuckton of CC |
| 21:28.16 | cloudwolf | that heal for a lot with a low spell time |
| 21:28.24 | Adys | Cide: any way to override 3g dns settings on the htc desire? |
| 21:29.05 | Lunessa | Also, tactical play is making a comeback. You''ll need to use crowd control, positioning, line of sight, focus fire, interrupts and damage-avoidance abilities a lot more. |
| 21:30.17 | Spejnar | Lunessa: you mean no more "alright when I look at the mobs, you can start aoeing" |
| 21:30.41 | eidolarr | It's a tough balance, I would argue much of old WoW was too "tactical" |
| 21:30.52 | eidolarr | although that was partly because of bugs |
| 21:30.53 | Lunessa | Yeah. Another thing that's making stuff hard is tank threat-gen tools are not all working as before. |
| 21:31.02 | Cide | Adys, no idea |
| 21:31.17 | Adys | :/ |
| 21:31.29 | eidolarr | Adys: rooted right? |
| 21:32.02 | Adys | uh no |
| 21:32.16 | Spejnar | I like that warriors got conc.. I mean thunderclap |
| 21:32.17 | eidolarr | Lunessa: it seems like a lot of the old dungeons were just trial and error until you learned the mob patrols or aggro ranges etc |
| 21:32.20 | Xyphoid | well, it'll be nice to use hex and indoor entangling roots that i was so excited about when wotlk was coming up |
| 21:32.44 | eidolarr | Adys: dunno then, doubtful |
| 21:33.11 | cloudwolf | this is an annoying encoutner mechanic |
| 21:33.14 | cloudwolf | pullt he first 2 |
| 21:33.21 | cloudwolf | 20 seconds later you get about 8 murlocs plus 2 more |
| 21:33.29 | cloudwolf | then another 20 seconds alter 8 mroe murlocs and 2 more |
| 21:33.31 | Lunessa | eidolarr: Some of this is that, and some of it will be breaking the bad habits of face-rolling heroics from wotlk |
| 21:34.20 | Lunessa | in wotlk beta, learning the instances as they were added also felt "hard" but settled down to pretty quickly the second or third time I saw the firghts. |
| 21:35.01 | eidolarr | I thnik that has more to do with the scaling of gear, Loken was pretty rough at first, especially for my pally |
| 21:35.13 | eidolarr | but after 6 months or so I would be surprised if any of the heroics remained challenging, which is a shame |
| 21:35.35 | MoonWitch | eidolarr: don't discount stupid people on that |
| 21:35.41 | MoonWitch | I've wiped recently in heroics |
| 21:35.56 | MoonWitch | mainly due to 3 people believing they could ALL tank half the instance at once |
| 21:36.10 | Lunessa | I suspect that we'll hear a lot of bitching/qq from folks who were expecting to just crush content to "get to raiding" who will have to adjust the way they approach encounters. |
| 21:36.37 | eidolarr | if people get totally sloppy you can still wipe nowadays but any amount of effort makes it trivial, and it's been like that for at least a year |
| 21:36.46 | MoonWitch | strategy encounters can be fun :) |
| 21:37.20 | Lunessa | Well, I've been pugging my newly 80 fury warrior a bit... and the skill set at the bottom end of the gear curve in heroics is pretty painful. |
| 21:37.53 | MoonWitch | is a warrior hard to level actually? |
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| 21:38.10 | ajmitch | there's enough horror stories from heroics these days about less-than-clueful players |
| 21:38.26 | Lunessa | I picked it up at 63 (where I left it in BC), specc'ed Fury and leveled pretty quickly, mostly solo. |
| 21:38.39 | MoonWitch | interesting |
| 21:38.42 | Xyphoid | levelling prot is pretty amazing too |
| 21:38.45 | Xyphoid | revenge is ridiculous |
| 21:38.54 | MoonWitch | I started a pally, but am considering warrioring it :P |
| 21:39.12 | MoonWitch | (our server seems full of pallies and DK's) |
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| 21:39.17 | Kraps | i leveled my warrior in BC |
| 21:39.20 | Lunessa | My warrior was rolled in 2005, leveled to 50 as Prot, abandoned until late TBC, leveled to 63, and dropped. Warriors have changed a lot and in Cataclysm, they're changing again. |
| 21:39.22 | Ackis | I leveled up a pally to 60 when all you had was seal of command rolling dice for a crit :( |
| 21:39.24 | Xyphoid | warbringer means you feel like a fricking ninja |
| 21:39.52 | Kraps | no wait |
| 21:40.29 | Kraps | yes |
| 21:40.31 | warz | hi all. is there a very basic addon that only really demonstrates how to create a moveable frame? |
| 21:40.50 | Kraps | i cant quite remember |
| 21:41.55 | warz | actually, wow, that AddOn Studio looks amazing if it works. |
| 21:42.04 | Kraps | why was i using shockwave in terokkar? |
| 21:42.38 | Kraps | pre-wrath patch, yeah |
| 21:43.08 | Kraps | so i hit 70 in bc and failed utterly in heroics |
| 21:44.04 | Kraps | i voluntarily removed myself from 2 heroics then kinda stopped playing |
| 21:44.47 | Kraps | because i had no idea how to get better gear |
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| 21:45.29 | eidolarr | Warriors actually changed very little until WOTLK |
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| 21:47.34 | Lunessa | eidolarr: I played in 2005 and things were very different talent/viability wise then. |
| 21:48.04 | eidolarr | from BC or from now? |
| 21:48.11 | Lunessa | That should read, played a warrior in 2005. |
| 21:48.31 | eidolarr | I mean, things in BC were different from they were in 2005? or now vs 2005? |
| 21:48.34 | Lunessa | From BC. Vanilla warriors palyed very different;y. |
| 21:48.59 | eidolarr | not really in any substantial way |
| 21:49.28 | eidolarr | none of the new moves or talents were profoundly impacting on the playstyle |
| 21:49.41 | eidolarr | keeping in mind I only did leveling and PvP |
| 21:49.43 | Lunessa | I'll just have to say my personal experience says differently. |
| 21:49.49 | eidolarr | well what did you find different? |
| 21:50.15 | Slackwise | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13501356 |
| 21:51.08 | eidolarr | Lunessa: to me it remained, charge, hamstring/berserker stance, MS MS MS |
| 21:51.11 | Lunessa | In vanilla my DPS was next to nothing, the talents were substantially different. |
| 21:51.32 | eidolarr | you were fury dual wielding? |
| 21:51.51 | Lunessa | No, I was playing prior to the first big talent revamp for warriors. |
| 21:52.11 | eidolarr | what spec? you talking PvE? |
| 21:52.20 | Lunessa | So, I'm talking about pre-honor-system patch. I didn't PVP. |
| 21:53.46 | eidolarr | fury? |
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| 21:54.59 | Lunessa | Like I said, I did level 10-50 mostly as Prot - this is patch 1.2 - 1.4 era. |
| 21:55.58 | eidolarr | oh, yeah, shield slam and revenge buffs were pretty big for prot |
| 21:56.35 | Lunessa | So when I quit playing the warrior at that time, things felt very, very, very different when I picked it up again in in late TBC. |
| 21:56.59 | Lunessa | Basically, I had to "Learn to play" all over again. |
| 21:57.08 | eidolarr | so you were never fury in the early days? |
| 21:57.28 | eidolarr | the early bloodthirst was kinda neat |
| 21:57.44 | Lunessa | No. If you were a DPS warrior in that time frame you'd better solo - 'cause no one was taking you into a dungeon unless you were going to tank. |
| 21:58.18 | eidolarr | well on the bright side you didn't need prot to tank in those days |
| 21:58.51 | Lunessa | No, you didn't. But the talent trees didn't change until after I went off to level a priest. |
| 21:59.21 | eidolarr | so you never knew the glory of 31/5/15 |
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| 22:00.36 | Lunessa | Hey, the level cap was 60. :P |
| 22:00.54 | Gintaro | Cheats! |
| 22:00.56 | Gintaro | Hacks! |
| 22:01.03 | Lunessa | And no one wanted you to do anything but tank. |
| 22:01.16 | Gintaro | At least you weren't a paladin |
| 22:01.23 | Gintaro | All they were good for was healing |
| 22:01.24 | Lunessa | Oh, and you had to be amazing with no chance to learn. |
| 22:01.41 | MoonWitch | lol I downloaded all seasons of NCIS and CSI NY tonight, my ISP sent me an email saying I'm downloading a lot tonight >.< |
| 22:02.09 | Lunessa | that is a lot. |
| 22:02.11 | eidolarr | Well after the beginning of classic, warriors were crazy DPS too |
| 22:02.31 | eidolarr | it was a good tiem to be a warrior, you could top dps one boss and grab a shield and tank the next |
| 22:02.33 | cloudwolf | MoonWitch just be glad that the email wasn't a seis and desist |
| 22:02.44 | Gintaro | cease |
| 22:02.45 | MoonWitch | Lunessa: When they scream "unlimited internet" I wanna download what I feel like. :P |
| 22:02.56 | Gintaro | Unlimited with a FUP |
| 22:03.08 | Gintaro | There's always a catch, things are _never_ unlimited |
| 22:03.22 | MoonWitch | cloudwolf : They can't, they only send emails, if you then don't cut back a little, they put you on small(er) band |
| 22:03.24 | Gintaro | Well, except maybe space |
| 22:03.25 | cloudwolf | ths sntnc hs n vwls tk tht grmmr nzs |
| 22:03.30 | Lunessa | Hey, I have to deal with comcast degrading my connection speed in the middle of watching a movie on Netflix. I feel your pain. |
| 22:03.46 | MoonWitch | lol cloudwolf, is it bad I understood that? |
| 22:03.58 | cloudwolf | the magic of the human brain :D |
| 22:03.59 | Gintaro | Took a couple of seconds to decode that though |
| 22:04.01 | MoonWitch | Lunessa: I don't think I can use netflix even :( |
| 22:04.18 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.21 | Lunessa | It's not available in your country, I take it. |
| 22:04.23 | eidolarr | I'm finding FIOS pretty nice, comcast was horrible |
| 22:04.27 | MoonWitch | nope |
| 22:05.05 | Kraps | MoonWitch: ncis fanboy here |
| 22:05.13 | cloudwolf | eidolarr i don't have fios and i don't think i ever will. |
| 22:06.15 | eidolarr | how come |
| 22:06.20 | MoonWitch | Kraps : NCIS fangirl ;) |
| 22:06.25 | Kraps | heh |
| 22:06.44 | cloudwolf | eidolarr because i dont think they are still expanding their network |
| 22:06.47 | cloudwolf | and its not in my area yet |
| 22:08.15 | eidolarr | I'm sort of hoping Google sets up kickass broadband, comcast seems almost completely uninterested with improving its technology |
| 22:08.52 | alestane | Alright, I am bewildered. I presume that Python offers a way to create a string by concatenating the elements of a list, but I cannot for the life of me find it. Am I obliged to reduce(L, lambda a, b: a + b)? |
| 22:09.55 | MoonWitch | alestane : that went over my head when you started the reduce function |
| 22:10.19 | alestane | That's okay, I don't think I used it right. |
| 22:10.33 | MoonWitch | but I shall hug you :) |
| 22:10.37 | MoonWitch | hugs alestane |
| 22:10.46 | MoonWitch | perhaps that holds some de-bewildering for you |
| 22:10.47 | alestane | is hugged. |
| 22:11.02 | alestane | It makes clear that I am hugged, anyway. |
| 22:12.30 | zenzelezz | alestane: is there no implode or join or something like that? |
| 22:12.45 | alestane | Well, at least reduce(lambda a, b: a + b, ['am ', 'I', ' normal'], "") appears to work. But this seems like a built-in. |
| 22:12.53 | Kraps | new $7 headphones ftw |
| 22:13.10 | alestane | I have no idea, zenzelezz. I've been hunting through the documentation and haven't turned it up yet. |
| 22:13.55 | zenzelezz | I did a google for "python implode list", seemed to have some possible suggestions |
| 22:14.52 | MoonWitch | best epi of sg1 .... when Jack n Teal'c are stuck in a temporal loop :D |
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| 22:15.11 | MoonWitch | is afk to giggle some (and eat A-effing-gain) |
| 22:15.32 | alestane | Apparently I should probably look under "Built-in functions", which is not sub-divided on the ToC. |
| 22:18.25 | alestane | "The fast, correct way to concatenate a sequence of strings is by calling ''.join(sequence)" |
| 22:18.35 | alestane | I found that under the documentation for the sum function. |
| 22:22.12 | foxlit | And a stunning finale |
| 22:23.45 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 22:23.55 | foxlit | A studio version of Terran Up The Night, finally. |
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| 22:25.40 | alestane | Finale to what? Did you finish the campaign already? |
| 22:26.33 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 22:28.09 | alestane | Have you slept since yesterday morning? |
| 22:28.34 | alestane | Needlessly terse, but illustrates the principles well: |
| 22:28.39 | alestane | import string, sys |
| 22:28.39 | alestane | print(''.join([string.ascii_uppercase[string.ascii_lowercase.find(char)] if string.ascii_lowercase.find(char) != -1 else char for char in sys.argv[1]])) |
| 22:29.39 | alestane | Not that one couldn't write print(sys.argv[1].upper()) and get much the same effect rather faster, but hey. |
| 22:31.14 | Kraps | y'know how many covers of "mad world" there are? |
| 22:31.18 | Kraps | a lot |
| 22:33.06 | flexd | Who do i need to stab over the internet to have a working wowhead account? :/ |
| 22:33.26 | Slackwise | points at #wowhead |
| 22:34.55 | Kraps | covers like this fail though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3bZR7eFK1s |
| 22:35.00 | Slackwise | See? :P |
| 22:35.13 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyT7GfQZyNE |
| 22:36.16 | Gintaro | Hurrah! |
| 22:36.27 | Gintaro | Foobar2k under wine, finally a proper player |
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| 22:39.43 | eidolarr | the new sonic youth record is rather good |
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| 22:52.57 | Kraps | hehe http://www.wow.com/2010/07/28/cataclysm-screenshot-of-the-day/ |
| 22:53.53 | eidolarr | I'm trying to understand draw layers, if I have a bar with a border that gets filled up |
| 22:54.05 | eidolarr | if the backgroud is BACKGROUND, and the border is BORDER, what's the fill texture? |
| 22:54.13 | eidolarr | ARTWORK dosen't seem right because it should be within the border |
| 22:56.16 | Gintaro | EYECANDY |
| 22:56.34 | eidolarr | ? |
| 22:56.39 | Gintaro | ? |
| 22:58.59 | alestane | So, a statusbar with a border? |
| 22:59.47 | foxlit | eidolarr: place border in OVERLAY |
| 23:00.31 | cog|work | Shirik: Cide: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3358051/dynamic-instantiation-in-c |
| 23:00.35 | cog|work | 2nd comment is win |
| 23:00.59 | eidolarr | foxlit: thanks |
| 23:01.05 | eidolarr | alestane: yeah |
| 23:01.36 | alestane | The fill texture would typically be the StatusBarTexture, then. |
| 23:02.17 | eidolarr | I was asking the layer, not the texture file itself, but I'll look at up, thanks |
| 23:02.46 | eidolarr | foxlit: works perfectly, thanks again =D |
| 23:12.58 | xDD | Last time the broken keys were given out on thursday, right? :P |
| 23:13.52 | xDD | Then there might still be hope for tomorrow... |
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| 23:25.10 | Lunessa | Ciao. |
| 23:25.18 | |Jelly| | bai |
| 23:26.00 | cog|work | me2 |
| 23:26.16 | |Jelly| | bai2u2 |
| 23:26.25 | alestane | Okay, what does the unary * operator actually mean in Python? Google fails at searches that specify symbols as keywords. |
| 23:27.27 | alestane | One example shows "zip(*zippedList)" but does not explain what operation the * represents. |
| 23:27.27 | xDD | Eww, is it just me or does TERA look *exactly* like Aion? http://www.terafans.com/uploads/1263329576/gallery_24_4_2780082.png |
| 23:27.40 | alestane | The adds imply a similar art team. |
| 23:28.26 | xDD | transparent map, copied from aion. only see in front of you on minimap, copied from aion. |
| 23:28.44 | xDD | huge HP bar decoration, copied from aion |
| 23:28.59 | xDD | instanced "Channels", copied from aion. |
| 23:29.36 | alestane | You're the Python advocate, Cide, do you have a source for the unary *? |
| 23:32.07 | alestane | (On reflection, he really ought to be in bed at this hour anyway.) |
| 23:32.39 | Cide | alestane, hm? |
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| 23:32.58 | alestane | 19:27 alestane: One example shows "zip(*zippedList)" but does not explain what operation the * represents. |
| 23:32.58 | Cide | oh, it's akin to lua's expand() |
| 23:33.22 | Cide | zippedList = [a, b, c] zip(*zippedList) <=> zip(a, b, c) |
| 23:33.23 | alestane | ...Lua doesn't have an expand. |
| 23:33.27 | Cide | err unpack() |
| 23:34.01 | alestane | So it decomposes and object? |
| 23:34.08 | Cide | it takes any iterable and unpacks it into a series of arguments to a function |
| 23:34.15 | Cide | it's only usable in the context of function calls |
| 23:34.45 | Cide | foo(a, b, *iterable) <=> foo(a, b, iterable[0], iterable[1], ..., iterable[N]) where N is the last object the iterable returns |
| 23:34.56 | Cide | or N is the number of objects the iterable iterates over |
| 23:35.20 | Cide | (should have started with index 1 since there is an off-by-one logical error in the text above but you get the point) |
| 23:35.57 | alestane | The example given basically says that you can zip(*zip(a, b)) and get the actual a and b back as returns...although actually, I think that is a reversible operation, rather than any special treatment. |
| 23:36.12 | Cide | aye |
| 23:37.13 | alestane | Although I think Python recognizes the === operator, and presumably the results of a crosswise zip would fail the equal identity test. |
| 23:37.26 | Cide | python doesn't have === afaik |
| 23:37.39 | Cide | or I could be wrong but I've never seen it used |
| 23:38.10 | alestane | While, it's not listed in the operators list. |
| 23:38.34 | alestane | I thought two lists were equal only if they were the same actual list, but I could be confused about that. |
| 23:38.37 | Cide | usually === is reserved for "memory compare" in this case |
| 23:38.50 | Cide | memory address compare rather |
| 23:38.57 | Cide | but for that you can use id(a) == id(b) |
| 23:39.07 | Cide | and no |
| 23:39.22 | Cide | all the default iterables implement __eq__ as a recursive __eq__ over all the iterable's members |
| 23:39.43 | Cide | where iterables == list and tuple and string (but string it boils down to just a regular string comparison) |
| 23:39.51 | Cide | so [1, 2] == [1, 2] even if they are separate lists |
| 23:39.57 | alestane | So, two lists are equal if they contain equal elements in the same positions. |
| 23:40.02 | Cide | yup |
| 23:40.22 | Cide | where equal is defined by the implementation of __eq__ (operator= in python terms) |
| 23:40.26 | Cide | operator== |
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| 23:40.39 | Cide | I have a feeling my rampant typos confuse you more than they help |
| 23:40.43 | alestane | Okay, I must eat now. |
| 23:40.48 | alestane | But that explains a great deal. |
| 23:41.15 | alestane | passes Cairenn the hug he got from MoonWitch before, he won't need it at dinner! |
| 23:41.24 | Cairenn | awww, thanks |
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| 23:51.59 | MoonWitch | Cairenn!! |
| 23:52.04 | MoonWitch | licks Cairenn! |
| 23:52.06 | Cairenn | MoonWitch!! |
| 23:52.09 | Cairenn | purrs |
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| 23:53.59 | MoonWitch | I can't believe I am considering turning my druid into a wee tank |
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