| 00:00.33 | Warloco | I predict massive QQs from whatever tank tanks for me |
| 00:00.37 | Warloco | about demo warlock ao |
| 00:00.38 | Warloco | e |
| 00:01.28 | Warloco | besides that, Im not sure why people would whine about demo warlocks in pvp, you mean guardians? |
| 00:02.12 | MoonWitch | I predict major QQ about just about everything |
| 00:02.13 | MoonWitch | :P |
| 00:03.19 | Warloco | ofcourse |
| 00:03.39 | NightHawkTheSane | I predict pasta |
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| 00:04.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Maybe also fondue. |
| 00:04.13 | MoonWitch | NightHawkTheSane: I predict porn |
| 00:04.50 | MoonWitch | so how have you been NightHawk |
| 00:04.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Well that's hardly a stretch to guess :p |
| 00:05.01 | MoonWitch | true |
| 00:05.24 | MoonWitch | Ok, I predict sexy pictures of me on the internet within 2 yrs |
| 00:05.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Good :) on my way home from work right now |
| 00:05.52 | NightHawkTheSane | :0 |
| 00:05.54 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 00:05.57 | MoonWitch | glad to hear |
| 00:06.12 | MoonWitch | I am going to start looking for work soonish |
| 00:06.13 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 00:06.23 | NightHawkTheSane | (irc on my phone is neat!) |
| 00:06.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Woo! |
| 00:06.32 | MoonWitch | and then get a Linode account - I am glad you've introduced me to it btw |
| 00:07.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Hehe. Its pretty cool. |
| 00:09.30 | bleeter | http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/is-this-our-dumbest-tourist/story-e6frfq80-1225895369894 |
| 00:09.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Ok, afk. My stop is up soon. Later. |
| 00:10.46 | MoonWitch | kk |
| 00:16.07 | Mirrormn | hmm, new guild UI is very cool |
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| 00:23.18 | cloudwolf | Well isp's are gonna make onlive being worse than buying the console lol |
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| 00:27.15 | cog|away | ~lart feedburner urls |
| 00:27.15 | purl | crushes feedburner urls with a full height scsi disk |
| 00:27.28 | Thunder_Child | fail cog|away? |
| 00:28.31 | cog|away | i hate having to edit links so they're not frggin huge... it's annoying to have to scour the page for a link to the canonical version. |
| 00:28.48 | cog|away | or tinyurl it |
| 00:29.00 | cloudwolf | i hate the way tiny url works |
| 00:29.15 | cloudwolf | i would prefer the link to get a dedicatd page that displays a clickable full link |
| 00:29.20 | cloudwolf | instead of just redirecting |
| 00:29.28 | Thunder_Child | goo.gl it then |
| 00:29.47 | cogwheel | cloudwolf: yeah, they give you that option but it should be the only way... |
| 00:31.23 | cloudwolf | lol cogwheel im surprised you agree with me >.> i was expecting to get people going THATS AN EXTRA STEP! if i wanted an extra step iw oudl just type hte long link lol.. |
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| 00:32.12 | cogwheel | convenience vs security. I think with something like tinyurl, security weighs more... |
| 00:32.41 | cloudwolf | Thats what i was thinking. Unless you trust the person sending you the tinyurl link who knows where the hell your gonna get sent to |
| 00:33.03 | cogwheel | if not the only way, then at least the default |
| 00:33.43 | cogwheel | and don't make it too terribly easy to discover the less secure type |
| 00:34.29 | cloudwolf | aww you can't tiny url tiny url |
| 00:34.46 | Mirrormn | maybe link shorteners should use a custom protocol that returns solely the text of the full length link to your browser, which can then handle it elegantly for you |
| 00:35.14 | cogwheel | indeed |
| 00:35.29 | Arrowmaster | there are browser plugins that will get the url and tell it to you |
| 00:35.35 | Mirrormn | put in in a popup dialog, replace the text in your url field, or go straight to the page |
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| 00:36.13 | Mirrormn | good old browser plugins |
| 00:36.24 | Arrowmaster | here there are even irc bots in a few channels im in that will get the url it redirects to and say it in the channel whenever anybody mentions a shortened url |
| 00:36.32 | Arrowmaster | s/here/hell/ |
| 00:37.09 | Arrowmaster | not hard with wget |
| 00:37.18 | cloudwolf | But what about the IE users oh wait..... |
| 00:40.44 | cogwheel | you know, the sites themselves could just ask the clikcer not the creator whether they want to be warned. |
| 00:41.28 | cogwheel | first time you click on one it gives you the intercept screen which has an option not to remind you again |
| 00:41.47 | Arrowmaster | that requires cookies though |
| 00:42.46 | Warloco | cookies are required anyway |
| 00:42.49 | Warloco | lots of them |
| 00:43.02 | cogwheel | i have never heard an argument that convinced me to avoid cookies, at least in certain settings |
| 00:43.25 | Warloco | you'll get fat |
| 00:43.32 | Warloco | ._. |
| 00:43.41 | cogwheel | i have cheese for that... |
| 00:44.05 | cogwheel | i lurvs me some cheese |
| 00:44.09 | Warloco | Eeek! Cheese makes you fat? |
| 00:44.41 | cogwheel | _o- |
| 00:44.42 | Warloco | im dutch, so natually I eat about 2 pounds a cheese per day |
| 00:44.44 | cogwheel | or something |
| 00:44.54 | cogwheel | can't animoticon |
| 00:44.56 | Warloco | is that a duck? |
| 00:44.59 | cogwheel | ha |
| 00:45.05 | cogwheel | it does look like a duck >< |
| 00:45.20 | cogwheel | aww man ... you have the really good cheese |
| 00:45.37 | cogwheel | it's illegal to sell unpasturized fresh cheese here. |
| 00:46.02 | cogwheel | they have to be aged at least 60 days which means many types of cheese are right out :( |
| 00:46.41 | cogwheel | pasteurized* |
| 00:47.18 | Warloco | I do like my cheese |
| 00:47.52 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eZBevXohCI |
| 00:48.03 | cogwheel | in French class we had to choose french names for ourselves... I chose Fromage >< |
| 00:48.08 | Maldivia | cogwheel: can't they just call it something different than cheece then? |
| 00:48.25 | cogwheel | Maldivia: it's not a case of labeling. it's a food safety issue |
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| 00:49.14 | cogwheel | imo it's almost like drug prohibition -_- I'd be willing to risk it... |
| 00:49.56 | Warloco | meh drug laws need to be looked at |
| 00:49.57 | cogwheel | actually, i've always been curious... do europeans ever hear about cheese-born ilnesses? |
| 00:50.20 | cogwheel | like on the news... |
| 00:50.37 | Warloco | err never heard of |
| 00:50.46 | cogwheel | kinda what i figured... |
| 00:50.48 | bleeter | anyone played with Beagleboard at all? Any good? |
| 00:51.33 | cogwheel | stupid paranoid government agencies... |
| 00:51.52 | cogwheel | GIMMEH CHEEEEZ! |
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| 00:57.08 | Amarande | wonders if WoW is going to be particularly dead most of next week. |
| 00:57.16 | bleeter | http://gothamist.com/2010/07/22/darth_vader_robs_bank_photos_oh_yes.php |
| 00:57.40 | Amarande | imagines ... "server populations: low, low, low, low, why aren't you playing starcraft?, low, low, you know you really should get SC2, low, low ..." |
| 00:57.42 | bleeter | Amarande: sane people have already started taking a break ;) |
| 00:58.36 | cogwheel | yeah... i found out a few days ago that my account expired a few weeks ago |
| 00:59.41 | cloudwolf | bleeter lol i linked that earlier :D |
| 01:00.21 | Amarande | cog: you use gamecards I presume? |
| 01:00.35 | Amarande | or do you get your WoW months through the WoW Visa card :) |
| 01:00.39 | cloudwolf | cogwheel your in the united states i assume? |
| 01:01.35 | Amarande | is also getting irritated at all the beta invite scam mails |
| 01:01.41 | Amarande | these ones are worse than the regular scam mails |
| 01:01.46 | Amarande | because I have no idea what a REAL beta invite looks like |
| 01:01.53 | Amarande | and would really, really, really hate to miss it if I did happen to get one |
| 01:02.01 | Amarande | so I have to actually read all the damn scams and check :P |
| 01:04.06 | Amarande | are opt-in beta invites still actually going out, or are those done with? |
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| 01:06.56 | cogwheel | they'll likely do it in phases for most of the duration at varying frequency |
| 01:07.49 | kd3 | opt-ins are going out for the rest of beta |
| 01:08.18 | cogwheel | told you so :> |
| 01:08.21 | kd3 | the real beta invite basically says 'log in to battle.net! you've got beta' |
| 01:08.47 | kd3 | obviously the phishers have seen one of the real ones because they're getting faked now too |
| 01:12.19 | cloudwolf | serioulsy if you think that you got beta from an opt in |
| 01:12.35 | kd3 | in other news... wtf, via fark: 7.3 / 5.4 / 7.4 / 7.4 Four earthquakes in an hour rock the Phillipines. Details shaking out [Scary] |
| 01:12.36 | cloudwolf | just go to battle.net how you regularly do. DO not follow the links in the email and check |
| 01:13.34 | cloudwolf | *DO NOT |
| 01:13.49 | cloudwolf | lol at capital do and lower case not yeah defeats the point i was trying to make. |
| 01:13.56 | Amarande | lol |
| 01:18.59 | cloudwolf | lol at world of warcraft visa |
| 01:19.35 | Amarande | I've considered applying for it, actually. :) |
| 01:20.22 | cloudwolf | Meh i don't have a credit card a job or a paypal yay for being only 17... |
| 01:22.40 | cloudwolf | or a life lol >.> |
| 01:27.31 | Arrowmaster | i just got another credit card offer in the mail and i dont even have a job |
| 01:27.53 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: it takes a bit for the lack of employer to percolate onto your credit report |
| 01:27.55 | zenzelezz | they don't want people with jobs as customers |
| 01:28.07 | zenzelezz | they make their money from people who can't pay back before the interest ticks |
| 01:28.09 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: ive never had a job |
| 01:28.12 | Amarande | next thing you'll get a job, and then a couple months in you'll not be able to get a credit card because THEN your report will say you don't have a job :) |
| 01:28.19 | Amarande | oh. |
| 01:29.20 | Arrowmaster | ive not seen my credit report but its probably really high since ive got health accounts at one bank and one credit union and a platinum card that always gets paid off |
| 01:29.40 | Arrowmaster | s/health/healthy/ |
| 01:33.06 | Amarande | last I checked, my credit rating was a 734 out of a possible 830 from Experian, which apparently means 'excellent' for them |
| 01:40.49 | Jamash | JOUST |
| 01:41.04 | Jamash | They finally did it! |
| 01:41.27 | Gnarfoz | yes, they did! |
| 01:41.30 | Gnarfoz | (who, and what?) |
| 01:42.17 | kd3 | you talk about a polarizing quest chain back in alpha... |
| 01:42.25 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:The_Hatchery_Must_Burn |
| 01:42.30 | kd3 | and the rest of that bit of the chain |
| 01:44.11 | Jamash | there's a Joust quest in hyjal |
| 01:44.15 | kd3 | ^ |
| 01:44.18 | kd3 | linked above |
| 01:44.21 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* 40 hours to dl sc2 |
| 01:44.41 | Jamash | it's ten kinds of awesome |
| 01:45.43 | Amarande | kd3: any idea yet if it's going to be best to go to Hyjal at 78 or to level to 80 in Northrend first? |
| 01:45.48 | kd3 | 80 |
| 01:45.58 | kd3 | they changed hyjal/vashj'ir this build. can't go there until you hit 80 |
| 01:46.21 | Amarande | also: if you start a new character post-Cata and go to northrend at 70 |
| 01:46.43 | Amarande | if you stop to finish all of northrend before you return to Azeroth for the Cata areas, what level will you likely begin Cata at? |
| 01:47.00 | Amarande | suspects at *least* 82-83, but can't be sure |
| 01:47.10 | kd3 | probably 82ish |
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| 01:47.32 | Arrowmaster | likely, since you can do 70-80 in like only 4 zones of northrend |
| 01:47.37 | Amarande | since it's pretty easy to hit 80 with almost four whole zones left to do |
| 01:47.53 | Amarande | especially if you instance on your way up |
| 01:48.04 | Amarande | and I suspect instances in WotLK will remain popular if only for one particular reason |
| 01:48.30 | Amarande | namely, Inscription |
| 01:48.50 | Amarande | Glyphs don't become useless as you level like other crafting recipes do, and there's all those glyphs you can only get from the books ... which seem to drop by far the most often in 80 instances |
| 01:48.58 | Torhal | Eh, maybe. Probably not though if they follow Enchanting in TBC |
| 01:49.09 | kd3 | make no assumptions based on glyphs |
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| 01:49.18 | Amarande | (and I'm rather suspecting there's going to be a *different* glyph book for Cata glyphs.) |
| 01:49.20 | kd3 | devs haven't even begun to touch them. I expect things will be different |
| 01:49.43 | Amarande | kd3: any change yet on legacy gems/enchants that carry stats no longer appearing on gear in cata? |
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| 01:50.14 | kd3 | not afaik. profs aren't very high on the to do list atm |
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| 02:12.11 | Amarande | kd3: yeah, and I could even see them potentially leaving them as they are, too |
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| 02:14.37 | industrial | ok so this I don't understand; Droid X is not the successor of the original Motorola Droid but is Verizon Wireless's current flagship Android device. |
| 02:14.53 | industrial | wtf does a carrier have to do with making a phone |
| 02:15.07 | industrial | a phone is a pc, I can't hook it up to any net I want? |
| 02:15.34 | Cide | in the us I believe they usually strike deals with a specific carrier |
| 02:16.00 | Cide | so if you want an EVO 4G you need to use sprint |
| 02:16.17 | industrial | deals... great! |
| 02:16.24 | cloudwolf | i sad panda now |
| 02:16.28 | Thunder_Child | a phone is a locked PC |
| 02:16.33 | Thunder_Child | and damit i want an EVO |
| 02:18.00 | Thunder_Child | though you can usually iunlock any phone that isnt digital chip based, which kills sprint, and one other i cant remeber |
| 02:18.33 | cloudwolf | lol theres a website called sadpanda.us its an image uploading site |
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| 02:22.23 | Amarande | Cide: there's also the little detail that AFAIK sprint is the only provider that HAS a 4G network yet here |
| 02:22.53 | Cide | yep |
| 02:22.56 | Cide | didn't bother mentioning it |
| 02:23.05 | Cide | but regardless |
| 02:23.15 | Amarande | does 4G even give anything new besides faster bandwidth? |
| 02:23.20 | Cide | nope |
| 02:23.39 | Cide | maybe better reception but I don't know the new technology |
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| 02:23.48 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.56 | Cide | The world's first publicly available LTE-service was opened by TeliaSonera in the two Scandinavian capitals Stockholm and Oslo on the 14th of December 2009 |
| 02:24.00 | Cide | eat that bitches |
| 02:24.41 | Cide | oh, sprint uses WiMAX instead of LTE |
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| 02:27.09 | haste | wimax is pretty awesome |
| 02:27.28 | MoonWitch | oh haste? |
| 02:27.48 | MoonWitch | now I actually understand the 1.4 changes, it turns out to be good changes |
| 02:27.55 | haste | decent coverage here at least |
| 02:28.04 | haste | yay? :3 |
| 02:28.06 | MoonWitch | just thought you might like to hear that after me saying I hated you for changing stuff :P |
| 02:28.27 | MoonWitch | also, good job on keeping oUF around for ppl who suck at code like myself :) |
| 02:28.34 | haste | I kinda expected people to hate 1.4 due to most of the changes :P |
| 02:28.56 | MoonWitch | once I got the hang of it, it seemed more logical |
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| 02:35.08 | Wobin | omg http://www.wowace.com/addons/wtetrinet/ |
| 02:35.11 | bleeter | ooh, looks like the streaming blizzcon will be worth it this year |
| 02:35.22 | bleeter | we'll be able to choose which panels we want to watch ourselves |
| 02:43.26 | kd3 | zomg, tetrinet in wow? |
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| 02:44.51 | Torhal | kd3: Yessir. Pretty soon, we'll have Quake and Doom. |
| 02:45.10 | Jamash | I was thinking about implementing progress quest in wow |
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| 03:09.59 | bleeter | interesting, virtual ticket order says 'no orders found' but if I try and re-purchase says that I've purchased in past 24 hours... |
| 03:10.24 | bleeter | the interesting thing being I did order in past 24 hours, just no record of it apart from the duplicate warning |
| 03:10.43 | bleeter | contacts RAYV Support |
| 03:11.43 | Trela | Does Lua have short hand if statements like PHP? (comparison ? do this if true : does this if false) |
| 03:11.48 | Trela | I can not seem to find any. |
| 03:12.02 | Wobin | ternary? |
| 03:12.16 | Wobin | the closest you can do is "x and y or z" |
| 03:13.08 | Trela | Ah. :D Oh well, guess I will stick with my big messy if statements. Thank you! |
| 03:13.28 | bleeter | RAYV are telling me their billing is bork and try again in a couple of days... |
| 03:13.39 | dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.06 | Amarande | Wobin: what's the order of operations on that, btw? |
| 03:14.16 | Amarande | is it done as "x and (y or z)" or "(x and y) or z"? |
| 03:14.20 | Wobin | short circuited |
| 03:14.51 | Wobin | true and y or z |
| 03:14.56 | Wobin | returns y |
| 03:15.00 | Wobin | false and y or z |
| 03:15.02 | Wobin | return z |
| 03:15.24 | Cide | you're missing out on the y weirdness |
| 03:15.46 | Cide | lua> y = false; z = "hi"; return true and y or z |
| 03:15.46 | lua_bot | Cide: hi |
| 03:16.10 | Wobin | true =) |
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| 03:16.27 | Trela | lua> y = true; z = "hi"; return true and y or z |
| 03:16.27 | lua_bot | Trela: true |
| 03:16.31 | Trela | :D |
| 03:16.41 | Trela | I might be able to use that to clean up some stuff. |
| 03:16.49 | Trela | wishes for a switch statement too. |
| 03:17.03 | Wobin | you can do switch statements with a table of functions |
| 03:18.21 | Wobin | keys are the cases, values are the functions to call |
| 03:18.32 | Wobin | then switchtable[casechoice]() |
| 03:18.55 | Trela | Wobin: Yeah, kind of messy and hackish. Is it worth it for performance though? |
| 03:19.07 | Wobin | it's fine for performance |
| 03:19.16 | Wobin | and not messy or hackish |
| 03:19.37 | Wobin | and often more readable than a mess of if statements |
| 03:20.05 | Wobin | nothing in Lua is messy or hackish, it's elegant and clever =P |
| 03:20.23 | Trela | You should never look at my FlagRSP2 code then. :P |
| 03:20.38 | Wobin | or perhaps 'overengineered and unoptimised' =P |
| 03:22.27 | Amarande | Wobin, next thing you'll be calling Intercal or Brainfuck "elegant and clever" :| |
| 03:22.39 | Wobin | it is! |
| 03:22.45 | Wobin | (for certain states of mind) |
| 03:23.00 | Amarande | Wobin: we have a word for those states of mind, thankfully |
| 03:23.02 | Amarande | we call it "mad" |
| 03:23.11 | Wobin | they're valid states! |
| 03:23.41 | dagmar | "Tea Party states" |
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| 03:33.16 | Trela | This is the correct way to do an array in Lua? Not sure if I need quotes around the key or not. unittype = {"elite" = "|cffFFCC00(Elite)", "worldboss" = "|cffFF0000(Boss)", "rare" = "|cffFF66FF(Rare)", "rareelite" = "|cffFFAAFF(Rare Elite)"} |
| 03:33.46 | Thunder_Child | that was random, i logged in and got hit by a wall of achive test from soenone else |
| 03:33.54 | Cide | Trela, try it? |
| 03:34.02 | Trela | Cide: Sure! :D |
| 03:34.06 | Cide | if you want quotes around the keys you need to do ["foo"] |
| 03:34.08 | Cide | otherwise it's foo |
| 03:34.11 | Cide | also |
| 03:34.13 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 03:35.03 | Trela | Yeah, probably easier to not use quotes then. |
| 03:35.41 | Wobin | unless you have multiword keys or numbers |
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| 03:36.43 | bleeter | Lightning slowed down 300x http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd1_1279896629 |
| 03:37.51 | Cide | the world's one big tesla coil |
| 03:38.52 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5595017/with-firefoxs-tab-candy-feature-well-finally-achieve-tab-nirvana |
| 03:40.22 | dagmar | ME LIKEY |
| 03:41.04 | Cide | also known as separate browser windows |
| 03:41.05 | dagmar | Well, as soon as they start prepopulating tab groups by threading tree |
| 03:41.16 | Cide | since 1995 |
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| 03:43.38 | Trela | Making fifteen lines of code into four is sexy~ |
| 03:44.34 | Cide | try 1500 into 400 |
| 03:45.12 | Arrowmaster | try 1500 into 1 |
| 03:45.16 | Trela | I have done 600 into 15 before. :D |
| 03:45.41 | Trela | That was also when I was new to programming. <.< ...Writing a Pokemon Pokedex. |
| 03:45.44 | Cide | then you were just being bad |
| 03:46.22 | Thunder_Child | now now Cide, no need to get nasty about FF |
| 03:46.34 | Trela | Yeah, I made an if statement for every Pokemon. Then I figured out I could just append text together. |
| 03:46.39 | Cide | Thunder_Child, huh? |
| 03:47.17 | Thunder_Child | Cide: "<Cide> also known as separate browser windows" "<Cide> since 1995" |
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| 03:48.37 | Trela | That video about having to scroll through the tabs is amusing. Make the minimum tab width smaller! |
| 03:48.52 | Thunder_Child | there is a limit however Trela |
| 03:49.03 | Trela | About 20px. |
| 03:49.49 | dagmar | The minimum tab width did used to be smaller. |
| 03:49.50 | Trela | Huh, this tab stuff is some thing Safari/Shiira already have. |
| 03:49.53 | dagmar | In chrome it's still smaller |
| 03:50.14 | Dgamar | Having watched the entire video now, I'd like to change my stance to "I AM DISAPPOINT". |
| 03:50.19 | Trela | *is similar to |
| 03:50.23 | Cide | oh look |
| 03:50.26 | Cide | firefox now places tabs on top |
| 03:50.33 | Cide | like chrome has done |
| 03:50.35 | Cide | since 2005 |
| 03:50.37 | Trela | I hate it. D: |
| 03:50.53 | Dgamar | I thought when they said "spatial" they were going to do something more useful than create THE MOST HEAVYWEIGHT BOOKMARKS EVAR |
| 03:51.18 | Cide | dgamar. |
| 03:51.21 | Cide | dagamer? |
| 03:51.48 | Dgamar | I figured I was about to see something like that new tab he spawned Googling for DSLR to be it's own group with the search tab in the middle and the spawned tabs around it |
| 03:52.15 | Dagmar | You know, something _useful_ being done with the word "spatial". |
| 03:52.57 | Dagmar | Someone's goign to have to rejigger the tab manager for that |
| 03:53.11 | Trela | Dagmar: It would be cool if it automatically grouped/figured those tabs out. |
| 03:53.25 | Dagmar | Currently it doesn't appear to keep track of which tabs are actually children of other tabs |
| 03:53.29 | Cide | trying it out now... and there's no hotkey |
| 03:53.40 | Dagmar | Trela: It should be able to |
| 03:53.56 | Cide | oh there is |
| 03:54.00 | Dagmar | 'should' in the 'the way it might work if it were coded differently' |
| 03:54.00 | Cide | ctrl+space |
| 03:54.01 | Cide | phew. |
| 03:54.42 | Jamash | tab mix plus > tab candy |
| 03:55.35 | Dagmar | Awesome. I wait 10 minutes in queue for a dungeon already in progress |
| 03:55.37 | Thunder_Child | i use mix plus, it doesn group like that |
| 03:55.37 | Dagmar | NO thanks |
| 03:56.00 | Jamash | I don't want to spend my time dragging tabs around |
| 03:56.15 | Jamash | into groups, and naming groups, etc |
| 03:56.44 | Dagmar | The sharing with other people isn't a bad idea but, a) bookmarks can be shared just fine and b) only in an office is that likely to see much use |
| 03:56.47 | Jamash | I have 3 rows of tabs in tab mix plus, and if I want separate groups, I use multiple windows |
| 03:57.04 | Dagmar | I can just see someone zooming out too far and espying their neighbors porn tab group |
| 03:57.34 | Jamash | great, a search engine for my own tabs |
| 03:57.36 | Dagmar | Most of the rest of that video seems to be a lot of excitement about "Listen to all these other cool things we might do but haven't coded yet" |
| 03:57.56 | Jamash | why browse the internet at all when you can spend all your time managing tabs? |
| 03:58.11 | Dagmar | Because RAM is cheap |
| 03:58.33 | Dagmar | (apparently) |
| 03:58.37 | Arrowmaster | Cide: while tab candy does look a lot like separate browser windows i do see one big advantage, moving tabs between browser windows is a fucking pita right now because both windows have to be visible on the screen |
| 03:58.49 | Jamash | You look like you're browsing the internet? Can I help? |
| 03:58.59 | Cide | Arrowmaster, yeah, in a sense |
| 03:59.10 | Jamash | this is what my dad calls coolth |
| 03:59.15 | Jamash | coolth = dumbth |
| 03:59.21 | Cide | you don't have to move tabs between browser windows if the window groups are orthogonal though |
| 04:00.17 | Cide | firefox just feels slower than chrome |
| 04:00.23 | Cide | could just be the alpha speaking |
| 04:00.40 | Dagmar | It *is* slower than Chrome to start up |
| 04:00.49 | Dagmar | it gets worse when you put in more addons |
| 04:01.01 | Jamash | I have firefox running at all times, so startup doesn't really matter to me |
| 04:01.08 | Dagmar | ...as per usual, they hold everything up while they poll the entire planet for updates before showing you the browser |
| 04:01.33 | Arrowmaster | mine doesnt do that |
| 04:01.45 | Dagmar | Install some addons |
| 04:01.53 | Cide | not startup |
| 04:01.57 | Cide | stuff like loading pages |
| 04:01.59 | Cide | opening a new tab |
| 04:02.00 | Cide | etc |
| 04:02.24 | Dagmar | On the netbook I can tell |
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| 04:02.38 | Dagmar | On my desktop, once they're started they both render about as fast as my cablemodem will go |
| 04:02.48 | Jamash | so I closed firefox and reloaded it, forgetting that I run IRC in firefox |
| 04:03.01 | Dagmar | heh |
| 04:03.19 | Jamash | the only feature I used to use chrome for is in firefox now, so I see no reason to ever use chrome |
| 04:04.16 | Cide | besides being faster? yeah |
| 04:04.32 | Cide | what feature anyway? |
| 04:05.17 | Jamash | private browsing |
| 04:05.19 | Cide | it takes ff4 alpha a good 3 seconds to soft-reload my local page running lighttpd |
| 04:05.25 | Cide | that's tragic |
| 04:05.45 | Cide | takes chrome about 0.5s |
| 04:05.57 | Jamash | alpha is alpha |
| 04:05.58 | Gnarfoz | you're doing something wrong then |
| 04:06.05 | Cide | I just installed it, Gnarfoz |
| 04:06.07 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 04:06.13 | Gnarfoz | how does that absolve you |
| 04:06.14 | Cide | how can I be doing something wrong? |
| 04:06.29 | Cide | am I pressing F5 too softly? |
| 04:06.35 | Jamash | you're expecting alpha to equal release |
| 04:06.39 | Cide | no |
| 04:06.39 | Gnarfoz | even the release version is multiple times faster than that? |
| 04:06.55 | Dagmar | He's right tho. FF is all-around slower than Chrome |
| 04:06.57 | Cide | I'm saying it's tragic even for an alpha |
| 04:06.58 | Gnarfoz | for stuff not even running on the same machine, too |
| 04:07.35 | Jamash | I load the BBC, oh look they're the same speed |
| 04:07.42 | Thunder_Child | it might be slower but chrome uses so much more memory |
| 04:07.56 | Cide | ff3 release is about on par with chrome |
| 04:08.08 | Jamash | they both display a blank white page before content loads |
| 04:08.46 | Dagmar | The memory issue is an illusion |
| 04:08.58 | Gnarfoz | bbc page loads so quickly it's not even funny; probably quality code & server software ;) |
| 04:09.13 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: i dont think so |
| 04:09.20 | Dagmar | I think so. |
| 04:09.23 | Cide | Thunder_Child, memory is cheap |
| 04:09.31 | Cide | speed is ANNOYING AS FUCKING HELL |
| 04:09.35 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: then stop |
| 04:09.43 | Thunder_Child | Cide: thats not the point |
| 04:09.50 | Cide | who cares about your point if it's stupid |
| 04:10.03 | Gnarfoz | who cares about your arguments if they're merely your personal opinion? |
| 04:10.05 | Cide | you can easily buy more memory if you're low on ram |
| 04:10.11 | Cide | it's fact that chrome is faster |
| 04:10.17 | Thunder_Child | Cide: home != work |
| 04:10.20 | Cide | it's opinion that it's annoying as fucking hell, granted, but do you disagree? |
| 04:10.32 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: I know Chrome can't be taking up 4Gb of _real_ RAM, but I know how to make it look like that with a buncha tabs |
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| 04:10.46 | Dagmar | ...and that's on my netbook with 2Gb RAM |
| 04:11.00 | Gnarfoz | I do, because ff 3.6.whateveristhelatestversion works *just fine* and is by no means slow (and not any amount "slower") than Chrome in my daily use |
| 04:11.53 | Cide | it is more sluggish |
| 04:11.57 | Gnarfoz | if you say so |
| 04:12.01 | Cide | I do |
| 04:12.04 | Cide | ff works fine |
| 04:12.07 | Gnarfoz | and if the solution is "throw more memory at it, because memory is cheap" then bleh |
| 04:12.10 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: all i can can comepare is what it says. |
| 04:12.11 | Jamash | also chrome clutters up my process viewer |
| 04:12.31 | Cide | firefox clutters up my homepage space by taking up like 200px of vertical space |
| 04:12.36 | Thunder_Child | compare* |
| 04:12.39 | Jamash | what |
| 04:12.45 | Gnarfoz | so it's about design now? |
| 04:12.49 | Cide | no |
| 04:12.56 | Cide | well for me personally, yes |
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| 04:13.00 | Cide | that's the biggest selling point of chrome |
| 04:13.06 | Cide | but if Jamash gets to toss in arguments I guess I can too? |
| 04:13.11 | Cide | or is that frowned upon? |
| 04:13.16 | Cide | don't want discussions to go forward? |
| 04:13.23 | Cide | THE EARTH IS FLAT |
| 04:13.34 | Thunder_Child | i think cide is on the rag |
| 04:13.41 | Jamash | http://www.timecube.com |
| 04:13.53 | Gnarfoz | I find the discussion useless if the point of the discussion is to determine who likes what browser best, based on personal opinions and preferences, not facts |
| 04:14.03 | Jamash | also, emacs vs vi |
| 04:14.05 | Cide | <Jamash> also chrome clutters up my process viewer |
| 04:14.05 | Cide | <Cide> firefox clutters up my homepage space by taking up like 200px of vertical space |
| 04:14.05 | Cide | <Thunder_Child> compare* |
| 04:14.06 | Cide | er |
| 04:14.09 | Cide | scratch the TC quote |
| 04:14.22 | Cide | which do you use more though, your process viewer or your browser? |
| 04:14.23 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: windows vs linux? (pc vs mac?) |
| 04:14.26 | bleeter | I'll tell you what clutters up my process viewer, it's not a browser |
| 04:14.29 | bleeter | it's having 8 cores |
| 04:14.36 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: A+ |
| 04:14.37 | Thunder_Child | to be fair Cide, both are up for moe constantly |
| 04:14.50 | Jamash | how does firefox take up 200px of vertical space |
| 04:14.50 | Cide | why would you have your process viewer up constantly dude |
| 04:14.54 | Thunder_Child | ....wtf did i just type |
| 04:15.06 | Thunder_Child | to see whats being used at any one time |
| 04:15.07 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: http://twitpic.com/25pp6t |
| 04:15.09 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: static status bar, "unused" space in the windows titlebar |
| 04:15.19 | Thunder_Child | i like having info at the ready |
| 04:15.21 | Jamash | buy a bigger screen imo |
| 04:15.28 | Jamash | also I like having a static status bar |
| 04:15.33 | Gnarfoz | you just invalidated your question ;-) |
| 04:15.47 | bleeter | ASUS G73 is a truly scary beastie |
| 04:16.19 | Cide | firefox' ui takes up 185px of vertical space |
| 04:16.37 | Morkesh | bleeter: is that surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome i see to the right? |
| 04:16.49 | Cide | chrome takes up 130px |
| 04:17.00 | Gnarfoz | Morkesh: the image hashtags say so |
| 04:17.03 | Cide | oh sorry |
| 04:17.03 | bleeter | Morkesh: it is |
| 04:17.06 | Cide | that's not on maximized |
| 04:17.07 | Cide | sec |
| 04:17.24 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: did it help? |
| 04:17.27 | Morkesh | bleeter: hehe, painful thing :S been there tried that, got a scar the exact same place :P |
| 04:17.36 | Cide | chrome takes up 111px |
| 04:17.45 | Cide | firefox 185 |
| 04:18.02 | Morkesh | actually, looking at the pictures, same place, different hand |
| 04:18.30 | Cide | discounting status bar it's still chrome's 87px vs firefox' 139px |
| 04:18.49 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: it's helped address the CTS symptoms, would seem taking those away have exposed other issues. Problems with nerve to thumb (both hands) and probably some kinda arthritis thingy too |
| 04:19.03 | Gnarfoz | so you support a change in Firefox's UI to mimick chrome's tab placement then |
| 04:19.06 | bleeter | just hadn't noticed 'coz of CTS issue meaning I was taking pills that hid all that |
| 04:19.11 | Cide | Gnarfoz, most definitely |
| 04:19.18 | Cide | best change they've done yet |
| 04:19.35 | bleeter | Morkesh: I got scars both sides, short fat hands = high predisposition for CTS no matter what industry one works in |
| 04:19.48 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: ouch. human bodies just don't work well long enough, I guess |
| 04:19.49 | bleeter | Morkesh: surgeon told me 'if I were lecturing CTS, I'd get casts of your hands as examples' |
| 04:19.55 | Morkesh | bleeter: arh, i was meant to have surgery on the left aswell but i managed without |
| 04:20.49 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: yeah, I'm certainly hitting middle age. body stiffening up. ~500 years ago I'd near be dead by now ;) |
| 04:20.55 | Morkesh | bleeter: i've pianist hands, thing with long fingers but too many FPS games in an ergonomically wrong position eventually caused issues |
| 04:21.05 | Morkesh | thin* |
| 04:21.53 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: so either our lifespan should be shortened again or someone should start working on making our bodies more robust, if we are to live to the ripe age of 120 or whatever ;) |
| 04:22.14 | bleeter | Morkesh: family has history of CTS and other hand problems, it turns out. Gaming and computing certain won't have helped |
| 04:22.35 | bleeter | but surgeon said 'normally I'd see people with your hands a few years earlier, amazed you've stuck it out' or similar |
| 04:22.55 | Morkesh | Gnarfoz: haha :P if you look at the biological reason behind allowing hunting (in Denmark atleast) it's to prevent diseases which only arise if there's too many animals for nature to feed, i've a personal and obscure theory that cancer may be a case of that in humans because of medical advances |
| 04:23.07 | bleeter | tbh, when I really started noticing it was when WoW launched the patch with the jousting tourney, just couldn't do it. CTS made it near impossible to do with ease. |
| 04:23.20 | Jamash | yeah jousting involves a lot of button mashing |
| 04:23.21 | Morkesh | bleeter: same with my family actually :) my mom have had surgery on both hands |
| 04:23.42 | Jamash | I want cybernetic implants so I can play wow with my mind |
| 04:23.56 | Gnarfoz | Morkesh: might well be, perhaps some anthropologist will figure it out in 500 years, looking back |
| 04:23.56 | bleeter | Jamash: would've been OK if we could macro on vehicles |
| 04:24.04 | bleeter | Jamash: there already is something like that, can't recall it's name |
| 04:24.11 | Jamash | yeah no |
| 04:24.16 | Morkesh | i want the wow headset footpedal idea, but bigger, i want a board to jump around on so i get exercise while increasing my e-peen size |
| 04:24.17 | bleeter | Jamash: problem is, each session your 'mind' is a bit different, so you have to retune |
| 04:24.29 | Jamash | it'll be the future soon |
| 04:25.25 | Morkesh | Gnarfoz: considering the complexity of the disease it seems reasonable to believe imo |
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| 04:25.38 | Morkesh | would seem that nature is trying to outsmart modern science :P |
| 04:25.40 | Thunder_Child | i think todays styleized drawing of googles logo is the hardest to read of all of them |
| 04:26.57 | Cide | what? |
| 04:27.05 | Cide | I see no special google logo |
| 04:27.07 | Cide | on .com |
| 04:27.09 | Morkesh | Thunder_Child: hmm, seems normal on my screen? checked both .dk & .com |
| 04:27.23 | Thunder_Child | http://www.google.com/#q=Alphonse+Mucha&ct=mucha10-hp&oi=ddle&fp=ffcfbe3bfd3c3ae3 |
| 04:27.29 | Thunder_Child | is what mine takes me to |
| 04:27.38 | Thunder_Child | http://www.google.com/logos/mucha10-hp.jpg |
| 04:27.40 | Thunder_Child | there |
| 04:27.45 | Morkesh | http://www.google.cz/ |
| 04:27.50 | Morkesh | have it |
| 04:28.23 | bleeter | I don't know why Google bother to have an official logo at all, tbh |
| 04:28.24 | Morkesh | and yeah, definitely the hardest i've seen yet :P |
| 04:28.41 | Thunder_Child | bleeter: for the google campus ofc |
| 04:28.48 | Morkesh | bleeter: they should just change it daily to expose some of the illegally collected wifi data :P |
| 04:29.07 | Jamash | 2/10 |
| 04:29.07 | bleeter | we've got an Arthur Boyd variant here in .au (his 90th b'day) |
| 04:29.10 | Morkesh | "a free wifi hotspot a day" |
| 04:29.23 | bleeter | http://www.google.com.au/logos/arthurboyd2010-hp.jpg |
| 04:29.36 | Jamash | http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| 04:30.37 | bleeter | http://google-au.blogspot.com/2010/07/guest-post-arthur-boyd-honoured-with.html |
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| 04:31.31 | Jamash | oh bleeter, don't you know australia isn't real |
| 04:32.07 | Morkesh | bleeter: we had one dedicated to a danish painter yesterday :P |
| 04:32.46 | Jamash | is it amusing that a blue poster linked to wowhead instead of the armory when talking about his first epic drop? |
| 04:33.30 | bleeter | Jamash: haha @ ...ternet thing |
| 04:34.07 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5594756/fcc-broadband-now-means-4-mbps-down |
| 04:34.11 | Jamash | my first epic drop was hurricane in brd |
| 04:35.16 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: you should post a comment on that gizmodo article |
| 04:35.32 | Jamash | yay I don't have broadband anymore |
| 04:36.09 | Morkesh | Jamash: dear lord the ternet thing is awsome :D |
| 04:36.15 | Jamash | yes, yes it is |
| 04:36.47 | Thunder_Child | wasnt that linked from xkcd ages ago? |
| 04:36.54 | Jamash | scroll down to the bottom :) |
| 04:37.06 | Thunder_Child | indeed. so it was |
| 04:40.42 | Arrowmaster | would be better if you could flip the entire pages upside down, not just the images |
| 04:40.55 | Jamash | yeah well that would require an upside-down font |
| 04:41.01 | Arrowmaster | no it wouldnt |
| 04:41.03 | Jamash | I don't think CSS supports that sort of thing |
| 04:41.04 | Thunder_Child | GL Ackis. die well |
| 04:41.45 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: have you not seen what happens when forums and commenting systems dont blacklist the unicode text direction control characters? |
| 04:42.01 | Jamash | yeah but that's LTR, not upside down |
| 04:42.35 | Arrowmaster | hmm true but there are enough characters in unicode to display english text upside down |
| 04:42.46 | Jamash | http://snook.ca/archives/html_and_css/css-text-rotation I am wrong (although it's not part of official css) |
| 04:43.13 | Morkesh | Arrowmaster: even better, replace common words with nonsense |
| 04:43.26 | Jamash | you could zalgo everything up |
| 04:44.00 | Morkesh | i remember finding a lipsum generator for linux once, could just replace all text with lipsum and completely ruin the internet for neighbours |
| 04:44.08 | Jamash | or google translate all pages into chinese |
| 04:44.37 | Morkesh | or into chinese, back to english, into slovakish, back to english a few times |
| 04:44.43 | Morkesh | for increased lulz |
| 04:46.03 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: the images of what that looks like on different browsers dont look anything like what it looks like for me |
| 04:46.49 | Jamash | what browser you using? |
| 04:46.54 | Arrowmaster | firefox |
| 04:47.04 | Jamash | dunno, looks ok to me |
| 04:47.18 | Arrowmaster | well it looks ok but not exactly how its shown in the image |
| 04:47.19 | Morkesh | looks fine in chrome aswell |
| 04:47.45 | Jamash | next up: spinning text |
| 04:47.53 | Jamash | the blink of the new decade |
| 04:48.01 | Arrowmaster | the year isnt as bolded, its not as close to the day as in the image, and its actually slightly lower down |
| 04:48.05 | ReAn | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode&q=-25%C2%BA+19.38,+-57%C2%BA+30.91&sll=40.756187,-73.976273&sspn=0.088292,0.12291&ie=UTF8&ll=-25.323061,-57.515185&spn=0.002226,0.003428&t=h&z=19 |
| 04:48.17 | Jamash | uh |
| 04:48.23 | ReAn | :p |
| 04:49.12 | Jamash | when I was working as a tester at yahoo maps I said that they should sell a service to allow businesses to display their logo on the roof of their building |
| 04:49.14 | Arrowmaster | from the coords, south america? |
| 04:49.43 | Cide | paraguay |
| 04:50.43 | Jamash | it's like a guay, but not quite |
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| 04:54.21 | Morkesh | ReAn: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Niels+Bohrs+Vej+23&sll=56.052431,9.939156&sspn=0.002208,0.004823&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Niels+Bohrs+Vej+23,+8660,+Skanderborg,+Denmark&ll=56.069326,9.986277&spn=0.002207,0.004823&t=h&z=18 |
| 04:54.35 | Morkesh | a danish marketing company who decided to have a plane planted next to the highway :P |
| 04:55.45 | bleeter | http://twitpic.com/280khx |
| 04:56.28 | Jamash | ^ pro |
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| 05:13.04 | Wobster | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd1_1279896629 |
| 05:13.07 | Wobster | that's awesome |
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| 05:21.30 | |Jelly| | Tisk tisk Cairenn. Sleeping on the job and what not. :P |
| 05:23.28 | bleeter | Wobster: old! :P |
| 05:24.08 | bleeter | Wobster: 13:36 < bleeter> Lightning slowed down 300x http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd1_1279896629 |
| 05:25.05 | Wobster | yow 1.36gig patch |
| 05:41.09 | Torhal | Wobster: You're just now getting the roll-up patch? |
| 05:41.24 | Wobster | teag |
| 05:41.25 | Wobster | yeah |
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| 05:54.21 | Wobster | http://gospelofbvvt.livejournal.com/33034.html?style=mine |
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| 07:29.57 | Zasurus | Morning all |
| 07:30.39 | Zasurus | Would I be correct in the asumption that textures like frames can't be deleted or removed to save memory and should therefore be reused? |
| 07:31.15 | cbreak | I would expect so |
| 07:33.02 | Torhal | Zasurus: Indeed |
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| 07:34.51 | doc-saintly | What's the syntax to programmatically change the the code launched by a frame event? |
| 07:35.39 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_SetScript |
| 07:38.35 | doc-saintly | cbreak: thanks. |
| 07:45.59 | Zasurus | Thanks :-) |
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| 08:01.11 | Jamash | so let's say there was an addon that simulated a unix-type shell in WoW |
| 08:01.21 | Jamash | so you could do things like ls /Professions/Enchanting |
| 08:01.47 | Jamash | or copy "/Spells/Curse of Agony" /ActionBar/2/12 |
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| 08:02.22 | cbreak | there's no "copy" in unix type shells |
| 08:02.37 | Jamash | ~pedantry++ |
| 08:03.46 | Jamash | what I'm wondering is would anyone in the world use it |
| 08:05.15 | cbreak | maybe for rare recipes |
| 08:05.20 | cbreak | if it had auto completion |
| 08:07.31 | Jamash | sure |
| 08:08.25 | Jamash | the idea is to implement a VFS node type for each WoW api, allowing the various kinds to interact |
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| 08:18.06 | Grum | Jamash: and ./Spells/Foo to cast! |
| 08:18.31 | Jamash | that's the general idea |
| 08:18.54 | Jamash | g'night |
| 08:18.58 | Grum | nn |
| 08:20.40 | Fisker | can easily fix that cbreak |
| 08:27.02 | RJohn | So anyone know if they've fixed the error with the 2nd batch of beta keys? |
| 08:30.24 | Cairenn | not yet |
| 08:31.22 | Niv | same issue? |
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| 08:40.42 | Torhal | Cairenn: sologuy123 is spamming |
| 08:41.04 | Niv | set the channel +r imo |
| 08:41.12 | Torhal | I don't see the connection between WoW and Volvo, though...weird spam |
| 08:41.14 | Niv | oh, not here |
| 08:41.22 | Torhal | Niv: No, the forums |
| 08:42.20 | Cairenn | got it, thanks Torhal |
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| 08:43.47 | Fisker | volvos are awesome |
| 08:43.48 | Fisker | for wow |
| 08:44.39 | Yssaril | volvo the new worgen mount :P |
| 08:45.04 | Yssaril | goblins get pintos (explode when hit wrong) |
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| 08:48.07 | cbreak | why do humans only get bicycles :( |
| 08:48.48 | Yssaril | good night everyone |
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| 08:58.19 | taroven | Okay, I'm confused as all hell. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138880 |
| 08:58.44 | taroven | The prints on line 8 and 10 go through fine. |
| 08:59.35 | taroven | On one character, the rest of the func works fine for the most part. On the other, the print on line 12 doesn't go through even though #EventHorizon.frames.frames returns 16. |
| 09:01.33 | ^RaK^ | whats in EventHorizon.frames |
| 09:01.39 | ^RaK^ | oh wait nm |
| 09:01.55 | ^RaK^ | sorry looked away before you said that last line :D |
| 09:01.57 | cbreak | taroven: what does #(EventHorizon.frames.frames) return? |
| 09:02.06 | taroven | 16 |
| 09:02.17 | cbreak | same thing? |
| 09:02.30 | taroven | On the warrior atm, sec while I swap to the working char |
| 09:02.36 | ^RaK^ | how are they keyed ? |
| 09:02.55 | ^RaK^ | if they are |
| 09:03.11 | cbreak | # only counts numeric entries |
| 09:03.21 | ^RaK^ | ah ok :< nm ill shut up |
| 09:03.34 | taroven | returns 13 on the priest, and loads fine |
| 09:04.13 | taroven | Gonna try something a little different, |
| 09:04.41 | cbreak | taroven: do you have an addon that allows you to dump tables? |
| 09:05.22 | cbreak | like /dump tablename |
| 09:05.30 | Arrowmaster | everybody does |
| 09:05.32 | taroven | Yeah. On the priest, Pulse.frames is populated. On the warrior, it's not. In both cases, EventHorizon.frames.frames is fully populated. |
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| 09:06.42 | taroven | Trying a straight numeric for right now |
| 09:07.08 | abra | anyone up for talking about how to sort a dictionary table based on values? the only ways i'm coming up with take a lot of code. |
| 09:07.22 | cbreak | ipairs ignores anything non-numeric |
| 09:07.23 | abra | and a lot of loops |
| 09:07.45 | cbreak | abra: there's table.sort |
| 09:08.03 | cbreak | but implementing quicksort or heapsort should be easy for anyone with basic comp-sci education |
| 09:08.55 | abra | what about someone with no education? |
| 09:10.09 | abra | i wasnt aware table.sort could work in this case. so if i have table[stringkey].value id just do table.sort(table?? |
| 09:10.23 | cbreak | wikipedia has relatively good pages on the basic stuff |
| 09:10.31 | cbreak | no |
| 09:10.36 | abra | im looking at it, but it only relates to indexed |
| 09:10.48 | cbreak | dictionaries are not ordered |
| 09:10.52 | cbreak | without order, you can't sort |
| 09:11.01 | abra | i want to sort based on the value |
| 09:11.14 | cbreak | then make a new table |
| 09:11.19 | abra | im writing all this long code to do so, creating 2 temp table and for looping it down |
| 09:11.21 | cbreak | array style |
| 09:11.38 | cbreak | abra: don't try to find a sorting algorithm yourself |
| 09:11.52 | cbreak | you will probably only get a stupid O(n^2) solution, or even worse |
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| 09:12.10 | taroven | Alright, think I might've gotten it working with the numeric loop. |
| 09:12.11 | cbreak | sorting is one of the basic computer science problems |
| 09:12.17 | taroven | Seems that ipairs was being funky. |
| 09:12.56 | cbreak | abra: you can do at least three things. each of them involves an additional table. |
| 09:13.03 | abra | cbreak - i still dont see how that helps. |
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| 09:13.18 | abra | yeah, ive come up with two, but im ending up with a ton of work to get a simple sort |
| 09:13.18 | cbreak | either you make a new table that has the values and is array style |
| 09:13.22 | cbreak | then you can use sort() |
| 09:13.33 | cbreak | that should require only four or five lines |
| 09:13.43 | abra | but how do i keep attached to the keyvalues? |
| 09:13.47 | abra | on output |
| 09:13.53 | cbreak | not |
| 09:14.07 | abra | ? |
| 09:14.13 | abra | i need to. they are relevant |
| 09:14.14 | cbreak | the values would be independent |
| 09:14.20 | abra | yeah, thats not going to work |
| 09:14.29 | cbreak | then you can use the second idea, a lookup table |
| 09:14.39 | abra | im returning the table and it needs to be table[key].value |
| 09:14.41 | cbreak | you have a numeric table that contains the keys, and is sorted |
| 09:14.53 | cbreak | and then use it to look up |
| 09:15.09 | cbreak | that looks bad |
| 09:15.31 | cbreak | you put lots of tables with the key "value" into the table? |
| 09:15.33 | abra | well, this is a dynamic sort, done during battle. |
| 09:15.39 | taroven | Sweet. Confirmed, ipairs just wasn't going through the complete frame table. Numeric loop works great on both chars. |
| 09:15.46 | abra | no, but in this case, its pertinent. |
| 09:15.50 | abra | and necessary |
| 09:15.56 | cbreak | what for? |
| 09:16.15 | cbreak | you could just put table[key].key = key then |
| 09:16.28 | cbreak | then you have value and key together |
| 09:16.40 | abra | u mean table[key].key = value? |
| 09:16.43 | cbreak | no |
| 09:16.47 | cbreak | I mean what I said |
| 09:16.55 | abra | i dont follow |
| 09:16.57 | abra | where is value |
| 09:17.05 | cbreak | in the value entry... |
| 09:17.25 | cbreak | if you put tiny tables into table, those tiny tables can contain more than just one entry. |
| 09:17.27 | abra | oh, does that make sorting by value any eaiser tho? |
| 09:17.40 | abra | lol, cbreak, im a little further along than that. |
| 09:17.42 | abra | i know. |
| 09:17.53 | cbreak | then you can just use a numeric table |
| 09:17.54 | abra | ive just never had to sort large amounts of data before |
| 09:17.56 | cbreak | as I proposed above |
| 09:18.11 | cbreak | and you don't need to know the key of the map style table |
| 09:18.17 | cbreak | because the key is also stored in the object |
| 09:18.21 | cbreak | simple, isn't it? :) |
| 09:18.51 | cbreak | anyway, the alternatives are: a sorted table of keys for lookup in the map |
| 09:19.16 | cbreak | or a sorted table of pairs, with key-values |
| 09:19.26 | abra | hmm, so when i go to sort by table[key].value, im to make a new indexed table containing key and value for table[i] |
| 09:19.32 | abra | then sort by table[i].value |
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| 09:19.52 | cbreak | abra: do you understand what table[key].value means? |
| 09:20.01 | abra | yes |
| 09:20.02 | cbreak | it means table[key]["value"] |
| 09:20.08 | augustl | here I was hoping I'd wake up to working beta keys |
| 09:20.40 | abra | is what i said above wrong? |
| 09:20.46 | cbreak | yes |
| 09:21.07 | cbreak | you already have the tables containing key and value |
| 09:21.13 | cbreak | you don't need to make new ones |
| 09:21.55 | cbreak | just instead of only doing t[key].value = value, you also do t[key].key = key |
| 09:22.09 | abra | oh, so when you say table[key] = {oldkey = key, value = value} you mean the first key to be i |
| 09:22.11 | cbreak | then you put THOSE tiny tables into a sorted second table |
| 09:22.38 | cbreak | example: |
| 09:22.48 | abra | yeah |
| 09:22.49 | abra | i get it |
| 09:23.03 | cbreak | t["superman"].value = "100gold" |
| 09:23.13 | cbreak | you also do t["superman"].key = "superman" |
| 09:24.07 | abra | or t["superman"] = {key = "superman", value = "100gold"} |
| 09:24.15 | cbreak | no |
| 09:24.24 | cbreak | don't waste time and memory on that |
| 09:24.30 | cbreak | you already have the table! |
| 09:24.38 | cbreak | {} is a table constructor |
| 09:24.51 | cbreak | don't use it if you already have a table |
| 09:27.04 | abra | but how is that different from the table i have in terms of sorting cbreak? |
| 09:27.22 | abra | i dont need to create a new table when i sort it? |
| 09:27.22 | cbreak | it contains not only the value but also the key |
| 09:27.31 | cbreak | one new table you do need |
| 09:27.34 | Torhal | abra: A SINGLE table. |
| 09:27.35 | cbreak | but not one for each key |
| 09:27.37 | Torhal | Not many smaller ones |
| 09:27.38 | abra | oh, well thats what i asked |
| 09:27.49 | abra | ok. thanks cbreak |
| 09:27.51 | abra | and tor |
| 09:28.09 | cbreak | abra: for the next time, use a pastebin :) |
| 09:28.31 | cbreak | I am still not sure if you really understand what I mean in detail :) |
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| 09:30.01 | taroven | Any ele shammies with a 2t10 bonus happen to be awake? >.>; |
| 09:30.18 | cbreak | arcane mage not good enough? :( |
| 09:30.25 | Torhal | abra: If you have AckisRecipeList, you can look in Interface/Common.lua for the sorting stuff to get an example. |
| 09:30.38 | taroven | Naw, need cooldown reduction that isn't complete clearance |
| 09:31.25 | taroven | Trying to figure out if the 2t10 Elemental bonus affects the GetSpellCooldown duration return |
| 09:32.38 | taroven | I'm just going to assume yes. |
| 09:32.41 | abra | ok.. ive populated a table in a loop. temptable[player] = totalamt. i want to return that table sorted by totalamt. from what you're saying, i need a new table newtable[i] = {key="key", value = "value} but im not supposed to do it that way because it wastes memory. instead i should do newtable[i].key = "key" and newtable[i].value = "value" |
| 09:33.35 | abra | then i can table.sort somehow. |
| 09:33.37 | cbreak | no |
| 09:33.39 | abra | lol |
| 09:33.42 | abra | ok ima look at tors addon |
| 09:33.48 | cbreak | you said you already had the tiny tables |
| 09:33.55 | cbreak | just reuse them |
| 09:34.00 | augustl | abra: "foo = {a: 1, b: 2}" and "foo.a = 1; foo.b = 2" gives the same result. The only difference is that the first example creates an extra table, which is waste of memory |
| 09:34.02 | abra | what tiny tables. |
| 09:34.05 | augustl | just for the record ;) |
| 09:34.22 | cbreak | abra: read what yo wrote above |
| 09:34.28 | cbreak | table[key].value = value |
| 09:34.32 | cbreak | you said you do that |
| 09:34.40 | Torhal | abra: http://paste.wowace.com/2259/ |
| 09:34.42 | cbreak | so you have tiny tables inside the big "table" table |
| 09:34.47 | cbreak | just use those tiny tables |
| 09:38.24 | cbreak | Torhal: and that works? I don't see how :/ |
| 09:38.46 | Torhal | cbreak: I have a dictionary table called recipe_list |
| 09:38.54 | cbreak | a, saw it |
| 09:38.57 | cbreak | you use an upvalue recipe_list |
| 09:39.06 | cbreak | nasty spaghetti :) |
| 09:39.09 | Torhal | I iterate over it using pairs() and insert the keys one by one into sorted_recipes |
| 09:39.14 | Torhal | WTF? |
| 09:39.19 | Torhal | Nasty spaghetti? |
| 09:39.44 | Torhal | Anywho: I then sort sorted_recipes using the specified sort function. |
| 09:39.47 | cbreak | the code isn't very readable |
| 09:39.59 | Torhal | Huh? |
| 09:40.09 | cbreak | because of the upvalue |
| 09:40.49 | cbreak | the variable recipe_list has different meanings |
| 09:41.42 | Torhal | It's a single upvalue used in the sort functions. In SortRecipeList(), recipe_list is a parameter and therefore not the same reference. |
| 09:41.56 | Torhal | If you can't read that, I don't know what to tell you. |
| 09:42.12 | cbreak | SortRecipeList doesn't use that upvalue, it has an argument |
| 09:42.22 | Torhal | ...except that I have to start getting ready for work in six hours. |
| 09:42.35 | cbreak | so it has a different meaning |
| 09:42.39 | Torhal | cbreak: Like I said - it's a parameter, and therefore obviously not the same reference |
| 09:42.40 | cbreak | which makes it hard to read |
| 09:43.25 | cbreak | I don't like using the same name for different things in my own code |
| 09:44.31 | Torhal | That doesn't make the code unreadable - the parameter says "This is from a different scope. It's still a recipe list, though, so why the hell rename it?" |
| 09:44.36 | Torhal | :P |
| 09:44.39 | Torhal | G'night. |
| 09:44.43 | cbreak | morning :) |
| 09:44.49 | cbreak | well, almost noon! |
| 09:45.26 | augustl | anyone in the beta dropped by the IF airport? |
| 09:45.29 | ^RaK^ | nn :> |
| 09:49.24 | ^RaK^ | where you say its quite bad to have nested tables like that, that include stuff thats static and declared to start with, like to have some data in my addon im currently using something like local BUFF = { Key = "X", Buffs = { "A", "B" }, Classes = { "X", "Y" }, }; |
| 09:56.50 | cbreak | I don't say it's bad, I say it uses lots of memory |
| 09:57.18 | cbreak | for example, think of a table containing colors |
| 09:57.38 | cbreak | each color takes one number to store, plus a table to group them |
| 09:57.53 | cbreak | but if you use three tables with one component each, you can save the tables |
| 09:57.59 | cbreak | -> less memory used |
| 09:58.17 | cbreak | of course, you lose the tight coupling, and you need to do three lookups instead of one |
| 09:58.28 | Fisker | hey cbreak |
| 09:58.42 | cbreak | greetings fish slapper. |
| 09:59.05 | ^RaK^ | heh thats how i started to do it originally but thought it would be tidier in one table :< |
| 09:59.14 | cbreak | it is |
| 09:59.17 | ^RaK^ | had 3 tables for keys, buffs and classes |
| 10:00.40 | cbreak | it's all a matter of tradeoff |
| 10:01.04 | cbreak | do you want your addon to be maintainable? or do you want it to be fast? or do you want it to use little memory? |
| 10:02.59 | ^RaK^ | ill do some tests on both to see if the memory increase is even that big a deal, ive got both methods there atm :) thanks |
| 10:03.54 | cbreak | do you create the tables often? |
| 10:03.57 | cbreak | or are they static? |
| 10:04.00 | ^RaK^ | static |
| 10:04.25 | cbreak | creating and destroying tables (GC) costs time too, so using tables in static scenarios isn't as bad. |
| 10:04.34 | cbreak | it's not too bad anyway... but ... :) |
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| 10:33.17 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.break.com/index/dj-dog-scratches-like-a-pro |
| 10:33.57 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:42.10 | Fisker | no! |
| 10:46.21 | ^RaK^ | has wowwiki broke or is my end being stupid somehow.... |
| 10:49.11 | mikma | enable wowwiki in your NoScript |
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| 10:50.18 | Fisker | HALP |
| 10:50.36 | Fisker | btw |
| 10:50.40 | Fisker | blizzcon stream tickets up |
| 10:50.41 | ^RaK^ | cheers, adblockplus but was along the right lines.... wtf did it decide to start blocking it today :/ |
| 10:52.40 | Fisker | lol chrome |
| 10:52.42 | Fisker | have you lost your mind? |
| 10:52.59 | Fisker | "Do you want Chrome to save this credit card information for completing webforms?" |
| 10:53.10 | Fisker | yeah, no, hmm, yeah, no thanks |
| 10:53.10 | ^RaK^ | :| |
| 10:53.34 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 10:55.22 | Arrowmaster | did it seriously ask that? |
| 10:55.26 | Fisker | http://blizzcon.rayv.com/ |
| 10:55.29 | Fisker | yep |
| 10:55.35 | Fisker | it seriously did |
| 10:55.41 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 10:56.18 | Fisker | been there for a long time apparently |
| 10:56.19 | Arrowmaster | the credit card companies specifically want sites make sure browsers know not to save credit card info |
| 10:57.22 | Arrowmaster | wonder if rayv.com will have html5 low qual streams this year |
| 10:57.52 | Arrowmaster | of course not its still going to be flash crap |
| 10:57.56 | augustl | html5 can't stream can it? |
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| 10:58.37 | Fisker | probably not |
| 10:58.45 | Fisker | the test system is basically what they'll have |
| 11:00.43 | nevcairiel | html5 can just show a supported movie, and if thats a source in a streaming format, it should work |
| 11:00.47 | nevcairiel | h264 can stream, at least |
| 11:01.49 | Arrowmaster | well theora was designed to be used for streaming |
| 11:02.02 | Arrowmaster | dont know about vp8 since its just a clone of h264 |
| 11:02.08 | augustl | all the video tag supports is a <src> attribute and the http protocol afaik |
| 11:02.13 | nevcairiel | its not a clone |
| 11:02.17 | augustl | so they'd have to do some fancy http shizzle at least ;) |
| 11:02.18 | nevcairiel | what makes you think that, actually? =P |
| 11:03.31 | cbreak | there was an insignfull article about google's codec from dark_shikari |
| 11:03.37 | cbreak | one of the main x264 devs |
| 11:03.42 | nevcairiel | its biased, obviously |
| 11:03.52 | cbreak | why? |
| 11:03.56 | nevcairiel | x264 dev? |
| 11:03.58 | cbreak | because he knows what he's talking about? |
| 11:03.59 | augustl | because it exists |
| 11:04.33 | nevcairiel | Also people usually assume vp8 was supposed to be the new magic |
| 11:04.38 | nevcairiel | so they compare it to h264 main profile |
| 11:04.40 | nevcairiel | which is kinda stupid |
| 11:04.43 | nevcairiel | its a web format |
| 11:04.44 | Arrowmaster | i believe one player added vp8 support in a single night or something just by coping large sections of their h264 decoding |
| 11:04.51 | nevcairiel | not a high-bandwidth HD format |
| 11:05.21 | Arrowmaster | it uses many of the same things h264 does |
| 11:05.28 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 11:05.33 | nevcairiel | h264 is patented quite heavily |
| 11:05.36 | nevcairiel | it cant use those |
| 11:05.58 | Arrowmaster | well mpeg-la says that it is |
| 11:07.00 | cbreak | all the MPEGs are similar |
| 11:07.06 | cbreak | and V8 is similar to them |
| 11:07.32 | cbreak | xvid and divx is similar to the mpegs |
| 11:07.32 | nevcairiel | the basic ideas of most video codecs are similar, of course |
| 11:07.39 | industrial | ok so |
| 11:07.40 | Arrowmaster | yeah nothing new has really happened in the video encoding field in a long time, just refining of existing stuff |
| 11:07.43 | industrial | gief new mmo nao |
| 11:07.45 | nevcairiel | xvid/divx is just MPEG-4 ASP |
| 11:07.48 | cbreak | V8 has many ideas of h.264 |
| 11:07.49 | nevcairiel | it is a mpeg |
| 11:07.59 | cbreak | there are some new codecs |
| 11:08.04 | cbreak | Snow/Dirac |
| 11:08.13 | cbreak | but for many reasons, they are not used much |
| 11:09.29 | Arrowmaster | like x264 getting the mbtree option was a major refinement of how it encoded video but it wasnt a major change or anything |
| 11:09.54 | nevcairiel | there is no encoder that supports all of h264's features |
| 11:10.00 | cbreak | no change in x264 changes h.264 |
| 11:10.01 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 11:10.02 | nevcairiel | there probably isnt a decoder either, fwiw :P |
| 11:10.12 | nevcairiel | but adding decoding is either |
| 11:10.26 | nevcairiel | i remember when x264 added the weightp option, broke decoding on old decoders |
| 11:10.36 | Arrowmaster | i think all decoders are alike as long as they arent buggy |
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| 11:10.46 | nevcairiel | the image quality is the same |
| 11:10.56 | nevcairiel | as long as the features required are all supported |
| 11:10.58 | cbreak | h.264 has something called levels |
| 11:11.05 | cbreak | they specify limits to features |
| 11:11.17 | cbreak | many mobile decoders or hardware decoders support only a lower level |
| 11:11.34 | cbreak | so they can't decude movies encoded with many reference frames, big bframe count |
| 11:11.36 | nevcairiel | i think the profile defines features, the level defines bandwidth and some other attributes |
| 11:11.39 | Arrowmaster | right, but if a decoder isnt limited by levels it should be able to play anything |
| 11:11.44 | cbreak | or too high bandwidth requirement |
| 11:12.20 | Arrowmaster | like i dont think there is an opensource encoder that can do lossless h264 yet |
| 11:12.35 | cbreak | x264 |
| 11:12.42 | Arrowmaster | it can finally? |
| 11:12.42 | cbreak | crf=0 |
| 11:12.53 | cbreak | since at least a year |
| 11:13.20 | Arrowmaster | lossless also means full 4:4:4 color not 4:2:0 |
| 11:13.46 | cbreak | is that even in spec? |
| 11:13.59 | Arrowmaster | 4:4:4? yeah |
| 11:14.25 | cbreak | I don't think x264 supports anything besides 4:2:0 |
| 11:14.36 | nevcairiel | 4:4:4 is a seperate profile |
| 11:14.39 | cbreak | at least not with yuv4mpeg input for obvious reasons |
| 11:14.51 | cbreak | maybe some raw input |
| 11:15.32 | nevcairiel | I dont think there is any encoder yet that supports the "High" profile |
| 11:15.43 | nevcairiel | which is required for 4:4:4 |
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| 11:16.09 | nevcairiel | unless this page is lying, x264 only does Main |
| 11:18.05 | nevcairiel | hm maybe its out of date, or it only shows "full support" |
| 11:18.06 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 11:18.29 | Arrowmaster | the wiki page? its only 'full support' |
| 11:18.51 | Arrowmaster | ive got a file right here that is High@L5.0 made by x264 |
| 11:19.11 | nevcairiel | yeah, i checked some file as well |
| 11:19.45 | nevcairiel | gsoc09 had 4:4:4 support for x264 as a project |
| 11:20.16 | nevcairiel | hehe and in 2010 again |
| 11:20.20 | nevcairiel | guess its not supported |
| 11:20.37 | cbreak | there are not many 4:4:4 sources |
| 11:20.54 | cbreak | only if you make the movie yourself |
| 11:21.05 | cbreak | if you use a camera, you won't get 4:4:4 |
| 11:21.07 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 11:21.35 | nevcairiel | its one thing that usually confuses people, they are like, i have a 1080p movie on a 1080p screen, what do i need a good upsampler for |
| 11:21.43 | nevcairiel | chroma upsampling is important too! :) |
| 11:21.47 | Arrowmaster | well if you have something in 4:4:4 you want to keep it in 4:4:4 for your master copy |
| 11:22.57 | cbreak | I'd use TIFFs for my master copy. |
| 11:23.05 | cbreak | in fact, for the movies I did make, I did use TIFFs :) |
| 11:23.06 | nevcairiel | every frame in a tiff! |
| 11:23.08 | cbreak | yes |
| 11:23.16 | nevcairiel | must be rather big |
| 11:23.18 | cbreak | my sister does the same |
| 11:23.21 | cbreak | yes |
| 11:23.33 | cbreak | she makes puppet trick movies with a digital SLR |
| 11:23.49 | cbreak | so not really 4:4:4, but after the bayer upsampling in the camera, it is |
| 11:24.45 | cbreak | of course, the TIFFs are for the source, not the cut result |
| 11:24.55 | Arrowmaster | so what the hell encoder settings do they use that 1080p movies on bluray are 40+ gigs |
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| 11:25.39 | cbreak | they use much higher bitrate |
| 11:25.48 | cbreak | also, video isn't the only thing that requires storage |
| 11:25.49 | Arrowmaster | i swear they should be able to half that without any visible difference at all |
| 11:25.51 | nevcairiel | also the professional encoders are usually not that perfect |
| 11:26.47 | cbreak | we had a disney CTO answer questions |
| 11:27.01 | cbreak | he said that BluRays are very high bitrate |
| 11:27.16 | cbreak | he compared it to the movies from iTunes, which apparently are much lower quality |
| 11:27.43 | cbreak | no idea if its noticable, never seen a bluray :) |
| 11:28.03 | Arrowmaster | how big are the ones from itunes in file size and pixels |
| 11:28.47 | cbreak | iTunes doesn't sell movies in my country. |
| 11:29.26 | Arrowmaster | well i would never install iTunes even if i could so i dont know |
| 11:29.27 | nevcairiel | i believe itunes has 720p |
| 11:29.31 | nevcairiel | not sure about bitrate |
| 11:30.07 | Arrowmaster | well ive seen scene 720p's over 6gb but most are around 4gb |
| 11:30.12 | nevcairiel | i just know that the WEB-DL rips are much better quality then the 720p hdtv broadcast rips |
| 11:30.40 | nevcairiel | (WEB-DL is of itunes? |
| 11:30.45 | nevcairiel | s/?/)/ |
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| 11:31.07 | Arrowmaster | i dont bother with HD tv shows |
| 11:31.08 | cbreak | HDTV has strong bandwidth constraints |
| 11:31.19 | cbreak | and lots of technical constraints |
| 11:31.46 | cbreak | maybe you heard of 3D HDTV |
| 11:31.57 | Arrowmaster | and if its from a cable or satellite they compress even more because they can squeeze more channels in that way |
| 11:32.02 | cbreak | it's still not standardized, and one of the many hurdles is bandwidth |
| 11:32.05 | nevcairiel | 3d for home-tv needs to die |
| 11:32.14 | cbreak | no! :) |
| 11:32.25 | nevcairiel | yes it does |
| 11:32.31 | nevcairiel | and i'm quite sure it will |
| 11:32.34 | cbreak | 3D is one of the big topics where I work :) |
| 11:33.03 | cbreak | lots of research going on |
| 11:33.16 | nevcairiel | when the first class-action lawsuits start rolling in about kids losing their 3d vision because they got re-wired from fake 3d in tvs .. thats going to be fun |
| 11:33.18 | cbreak | most of it not specific to home 3D though |
| 11:33.34 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: can i have a job? just to ride out the 3D hype, i can go away once everybody realizes they arent going to make money on it |
| 11:34.01 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: my job has nothing to do with 3D specifically, I am software engineer |
| 11:34.09 | cbreak | but many researchers here do stereo video stuff |
| 11:34.19 | cbreak | a few of the siggraph papers we have are about it |
| 11:34.20 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: everybody is putting out tons of warnings already though so i doubt will ever happen |
| 11:34.52 | A-KO | http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4820647230_faba1c9f3b_o.jpg |
| 11:34.55 | cbreak | I don't think you can lose 3D vision through fake stereo |
| 11:35.03 | Arrowmaster | you can |
| 11:35.07 | cbreak | all it does is require you to decouble vergence and focus |
| 11:35.30 | cbreak | I've watched a lot of terrible stereo content and can still watch stereo |
| 11:35.48 | nevcairiel | If you do that way too much, like the same amount a kid spends in front of a normal tv today, you can |
| 11:35.53 | nevcairiel | especially if you're still a kid |
| 11:36.19 | Arrowmaster | no permeate effects are known yet but temporary you can have your 3d vision completely messed up for hours |
| 11:36.59 | cbreak | yeah. just temporary |
| 11:37.16 | Arrowmaster | but all the manufacturers are putting warnings that young children should not watch 3d |
| 11:37.20 | cbreak | stereo movies are a very hard thing to watch, lots of eye strain |
| 11:37.22 | nevcairiel | even that can't be good for you |
| 11:37.31 | cbreak | http://www.siggraph.org/s2010/for_attendees/papers/97 |
| 11:37.40 | cbreak | the first one is one of the papers we have at siggraph |
| 11:37.45 | nevcairiel | i mean, whats the fun in watching a 3d movie if it strains my eyes and impairs my 3d vision for hours afterwards |
| 11:37.46 | cbreak | it should make movies easier to watch |
| 11:37.49 | cbreak | with less eye strain |
| 11:38.00 | cbreak | it's not like the current state is where it stays |
| 11:38.14 | nevcairiel | but the big media push is on todays hardware |
| 11:38.25 | nevcairiel | the current state is just not good |
| 11:38.36 | Arrowmaster | the current state is where it stays if the theaters and media producers dont want to spend money to change what they already spent money on |
| 11:38.50 | nevcairiel | that too |
| 11:39.01 | Arrowmaster | many theaters just upgraded to digital projectors for 3d |
| 11:39.27 | nevcairiel | those digital projectors have other advantages as well, its not like they lost money =) |
| 11:39.28 | cbreak | nevcairiel: the problem isn't really the hardware |
| 11:39.33 | cbreak | even though it is a hurdle |
| 11:39.35 | Arrowmaster | do you think they will want to spend more money in a year for safer 3d |
| 11:39.39 | cbreak | the Content is the main problem |
| 11:40.06 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: they do |
| 11:40.21 | cbreak | they already spend lots of money on research |
| 11:40.32 | Arrowmaster | the theaters not the movie companies |
| 11:40.39 | cbreak | I work for Disney Research, we don't exist just for fun :) |
| 11:40.51 | cbreak | the main problem is the content |
| 11:40.59 | cbreak | well, the main easily solvable content |
| 11:41.31 | cbreak | going away from the vergence/focus decoupling is a hard technological problem. No idea how that's solvable |
| 11:41.35 | Arrowmaster | like those shitty post production 3d crap like Disney's latest Alice |
| 11:42.06 | cbreak | 2D to 3D conversion is one of the topics |
| 11:42.12 | Arrowmaster | no i didnt see it in 3d but i heard it was absolutely horrible |
| 11:42.15 | cbreak | but I don't know what was used for alice |
| 11:42.22 | cbreak | not seen the movie myself |
| 11:42.23 | nevcairiel | I just hope they don't start forcing it on everyone, like only putting out 3d movies or shit like that |
| 11:42.34 | cbreak | they can't do that |
| 11:42.35 | Arrowmaster | they wont do that |
| 11:42.47 | cbreak | about 5% of the people are unable to see stereoscopic |
| 11:43.00 | nevcairiel | so increase price by 10%, 5% less customers, still win |
| 11:43.08 | cbreak | not sure how it's for you, but here, 3d movies cost more |
| 11:43.16 | Arrowmaster | they already increase the price by a lot more than 5% |
| 11:43.32 | cbreak | they can't ask a higher price if normal movies are not available |
| 11:43.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah its like 10$ more |
| 11:43.39 | cbreak | unless they want to risk less customers |
| 11:44.04 | nevcairiel | i saw avatar in 3d, it was kinda good in that movie, but still nothing i would get for at home |
| 11:44.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 11:44.23 | Arrowmaster | but avatar was filmed with 3d cameras |
| 11:44.29 | cbreak | I saw How to train a dragon in 3d. I liked it. |
| 11:44.40 | cbreak | and Up. that was nice. |
| 11:44.46 | nevcairiel | post-production 3d must be really crap |
| 11:44.54 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt even try to watch one |
| 11:44.57 | cbreak | it's not crap. it's fake. |
| 11:45.07 | cbreak | and it's very expensive |
| 11:45.16 | nevcairiel | crap, fake, all the same |
| 11:45.16 | Arrowmaster | well the fully animated movies its not as bad on im guessing |
| 11:45.34 | cbreak | filmed 3d has many problems |
| 11:45.38 | Arrowmaster | but the post production stuff on a live action movie is horrible from everything ive heard |
| 11:45.43 | cbreak | problems you don't have with fake 3d |
| 11:45.49 | nevcairiel | animation is different, i suppose its easy enough to extract depth information etc |
| 11:46.00 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: do you have any idea what tron is being filmed in? |
| 11:46.11 | cbreak | no, sorry. |
| 11:46.18 | nevcairiel | from all i've heard, fake-3d movies are really not good |
| 11:46.24 | Arrowmaster | i hope its filmed in 3d |
| 11:46.38 | cbreak | the reason fake 3d is used that while it is expensive, it's cheaper than filming in 3d |
| 11:46.43 | Arrowmaster | thats the only movie i want to go and see on the imax-3d |
| 11:46.43 | cbreak | because if you want to change something, you can |
| 11:46.54 | cbreak | if it's filmed 3d, you might have to reshoot the scene |
| 11:49.47 | nevcairiel | Its sitll better quality for a movie |
| 11:50.21 | nevcairiel | also, anyone else noticed the broken sound in the latest beta push? |
| 11:50.30 | cbreak | the paper I posted above is intended to help make it easier :) |
| 11:50.31 | nevcairiel | I hear sound effects from some random position |
| 11:50.39 | nevcairiel | its really weird |
| 11:50.52 | nevcairiel | like i hear some spell effects of some player fighting, but its really far away |
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| 11:51.38 | nevcairiel | right now it sounds like my camera is attached to one of the crabs here, i constnatly hear its moving sound |
| 11:51.40 | nevcairiel | so annyoing! |
| 11:51.54 | Jamash | yes, I've experienced that |
| 11:51.59 | Jamash | tick tick tick tick tick ticktickticktick |
| 11:57.20 | Jamash | CRABS OH GOD CRABS |
| 12:02.50 | A-KO | hmm |
| 12:02.58 | A-KO | to buy SC2 or not to buy SC2 |
| 12:03.00 | A-KO | that is the question |
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| 12:03.13 | cbreak | is it's price significant to you? |
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| 12:03.38 | A-KO | relatively speaking, yes--however, I'm also going to a large gaming convention/LAN in a couple of weeks, where SC2 will likely be played by quite a bit |
| 12:04.08 | A-KO | I'm hoping it doesn't have its own "hosted servers" though, and instead connects you to people playing locally after you auth... |
| 12:04.16 | A-KO | or the traffic doesn't have to go out over to the net.. |
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| 12:04.23 | A-KO | otherwise it'll crush said net connection, and nobody will be playing it |
| 12:04.24 | cbreak | SC2 has no support for lans |
| 12:04.33 | cbreak | you always either play solo or via battle.net |
| 12:04.40 | A-KO | ....you're not getting what I'm saying :P |
| 12:05.04 | cbreak | all trafic goes over battle.net |
| 12:05.09 | A-KO | If the game makes direct connections to the other players (i.e. one player is chosen to be the 'server'), then that doesn't matter.... |
| 12:05.18 | A-KO | all traffic, from every player, hammers blizzard's end? |
| 12:05.28 | A-KO | all game traffic, etc. |
| 12:05.33 | A-KO | I can't see that being the case |
| 12:05.35 | cbreak | they'd have to do some NAT/Firewall hole punching otherwise |
| 12:05.51 | A-KO | heh, then SC2 won't get a purchase from me :P |
| 12:05.53 | A-KO | good to know |
| 12:06.05 | A-KO | not that that matters to their overall sales #s |
| 12:06.11 | cbreak | I preordered it. I hope it's fun. |
| 12:06.18 | A-KO | Imma laugh when their servers crash on the first couple of days :P |
| 12:06.30 | cbreak | they crashed lots in beta |
| 12:06.44 | A-KO | yeah, it's not something people who pay $60 for a game are going to stand up for |
| 12:07.38 | Fisker | i find it doubtful that all gameplay is done via Blizzard servers |
| 12:07.47 | A-KO | I would, too |
| 12:07.57 | A-KO | I would suspect that it randomly chooses someone to connect to |
| 12:08.06 | A-KO | after everyone's done their thing with bnet |
| 12:08.18 | cbreak | I don't say it's impossible |
| 12:08.27 | cbreak | but I don't think you can do that in general |
| 12:08.35 | cbreak | if people forwarded ports it should work though |
| 12:09.00 | A-KO | the no lan play thing seems to be a thing with Activision :P |
| 12:09.05 | A-KO | they did it with mw2 |
| 12:09.56 | Xinhuan | blizzard is allowing sc2 to be downloaded free from b.net as a result |
| 12:09.56 | cbreak | there's a lot of crap in the sc2 thing |
| 12:10.05 | A-KO | I don't think rage will have lan play either, but we'll see. Carmack said that they weren't interested in doing it, but after the cry over MW2's lack of LAN, they might rethink that position--especially considering id hosts a huge gaming lan..... |
| 12:10.07 | Xinhuan | as you can't pirate the game since there's no lan |
| 12:10.09 | Fisker | it's p2p so it would still be lan anyway |
| 12:10.16 | cbreak | Xinhuan: same as WoW, SC1 and others |
| 12:10.23 | cbreak | if you registered it for battle.net |
| 12:10.24 | A-KO | yeah Fisker, that's what I'm thinking |
| 12:10.25 | Xinhuan | sc1 has lan |
| 12:10.41 | Xinhuan | no like, you can actually just create a bnet account and download sc2 free now |
| 12:10.44 | A-KO | I might just wait until I get to the lan, see if the game crashes, if not, go to Fry's and buy it |
| 12:10.45 | Xinhuan | no keys needed |
| 12:10.47 | A-KO | or Gamestop or something |
| 12:10.52 | A-KO | would be an excuse to go to Fry's out there |
| 12:10.59 | Xinhuan | its just that you can't play without buying it |
| 12:11.18 | A-KO | weird... |
| 12:11.23 | A-KO | my beta launcher keeps crashing...interesting |
| 12:11.53 | Fisker | you can pirate the game Xinhuan |
| 12:12.17 | A-KO | ah there we go |
| 12:12.18 | Xinhuan | oh you can, but you can't play it |
| 12:12.23 | Fisker | you can |
| 12:12.45 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: mw2 didnt have lan? it had system link and split screen on 360 |
| 12:19.03 | airtonix | muwahaha |
| 12:19.18 | airtonix | destroys Fisker |
| 12:19.24 | airtonix | MUWAHAHAHA |
| 12:19.45 | Fisker | how? |
| 12:20.02 | airtonix | you're not supposed to talk! |
| 12:20.24 | airtonix | (unless of course i'm a clairvoyant) |
| 12:20.27 | airtonix | yes yes |
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| 12:48.53 | Jamash | AddOn Development 2: Develop Harder |
| 12:49.15 | Jamash | anyone know offhand the name of the question mark icon texture? |
| 12:49.28 | Jamash | nvm |
| 12:49.36 | Jamash | why did my search not turn that up the first time |
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| 13:04.23 | Jamash | I need a tooltip scanning library |
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| 13:15.12 | Wobin | just saw Inception |
| 13:16.02 | Jamash | no spoilers! |
| 13:16.04 | ^RaK^ | I quite liked it Wobin :< |
| 13:16.09 | Jamash | I want to see it tomorrow |
| 13:16.38 | Wobin | It's pretty well done |
| 13:16.47 | Jamash | cool |
| 13:17.55 | Jamash | jesus it's #3 on IMDb already |
| 13:18.35 | Fisker | Wobinmen |
| 13:18.47 | Fisker | i just saw the sixth sense |
| 13:18.54 | Fisker | turns out that bruce willis is dead |
| 13:19.03 | Jamash | no way |
| 13:19.14 | Fisker | yes |
| 13:20.19 | augustl | crazy |
| 13:21.15 | Jamash | rabble rabble |
| 13:25.44 | mikma | wobin: would you recommend it? |
| 13:26.15 | Wobin | mikma: yes |
| 13:27.02 | mikma | very well, then imma gonna go and check it out |
| 13:27.47 | augustl | is it for rental anywhere? |
| 13:27.49 | augustl | cba to cinema |
| 13:31.50 | nevcairiel | when its still in cinema, its most likely not on rental yet |
| 13:32.12 | augustl | in b4 movie industry rant |
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| 13:33.06 | Jamash | wtb tooltip scanning library pst (will tip) |
| 13:33.29 | augustl | Jamash: all you have to do is to hook onto OnShow and read the lines, no? |
| 13:33.37 | Jamash | tooltips scare me |
| 13:33.51 | Wobster | augustl: just released, so you're probably sol for a legal rental =P |
| 13:34.44 | augustl | Jamash: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7077-EnchantWoot-O-Matic.html |
| 13:34.54 | augustl | Jamash: it's out of date, but it reads tooltips and I don't think that has changed |
| 13:35.02 | Jamash | hm, I'll take a look |
| 13:35.59 | nevcairiel | @project libgratuity-3-0 |
| 13:36.00 | Repo | nevcairiel: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libgratuity-3-0/. LibGratuity-3.0. Game: WoW. Tekkub (Manager/Author). Updated: 505 days ago |
| 13:36.07 | nevcairiel | but i dont think its really much used these days |
| 13:37.19 | augustl | Jamash: look up http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets#gametooltip and the equivalent for ItemRefTooltip to see what functions you can call |
| 13:37.29 | augustl | they both have GetItem(), for example |
| 13:37.35 | Jamash | ah, nice |
| 13:37.37 | Jamash | thanks |
| 13:38.14 | augustl | don't forget to call the existing OnShow though, don't override it completely |
| 13:38.48 | Jamash | all I really want is to be able to slurp item and spell descriptions :X |
| 13:39.10 | zenzelezz | "slurp"? |
| 13:39.26 | augustl | Jamash: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/GetSpell :) |
| 13:39.41 | augustl | so call GetSpell and GetItem and do your thing if it returns stuff |
| 13:39.51 | Jamash | okay |
| 13:40.04 | Jamash | slurp = make one function call and get all the text at once |
| 13:40.26 | augustl | GetSpell and GetItem returns different things though so you would have to do some manual work anyways |
| 13:40.38 | Jamash | that's why I want a liiiiiiiiiiiiiibrary |
| 13:40.55 | augustl | a library to get spell and item info from tooltips? |
| 13:40.59 | Jamash | I'll take a look at libgratuity |
| 13:41.08 | augustl | doesn't sound generic enough to be worth a lib imho |
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| 13:42.51 | Jamash | ok, libgratuity seems to do what I want |
| 13:44.23 | augustl | Jamash: http://gist.github.com/488700 |
| 13:44.41 | augustl | untested and I haven't written addons for some time, but something like that should work |
| 13:44.55 | Jamash | hmm |
| 13:45.00 | augustl | a lib would be a bit overkill imo |
| 13:45.13 | Jamash | libgratuity is like 5k |
| 13:46.05 | augustl | personally I like to know what my code is doing, and groking those 18 lines is easier than groking 5k of code |
| 13:46.10 | augustl | but whatever suits you :) |
| 13:46.20 | Jamash | I like to know that someone else knows what their code is doing :) |
| 13:46.39 | augustl | so why are you writing code in the first place? =P |
| 13:47.07 | Jamash | I only want to write things that nobody else has written |
| 13:47.30 | augustl | it's a trade-off |
| 13:47.38 | augustl | at some point you might have to optimize the tooltip parsing, for example |
| 13:47.42 | augustl | that'd be a lot easier if it's your own code |
| 13:48.11 | augustl | I mean, you have to draw the line somewhere |
| 13:48.26 | augustl | you won't avoiding if-statements just because other people could have written a lib for that |
| 13:48.39 | Jamash | tooltips have a reputation for being arcane and mysterious |
| 13:48.56 | augustl | yeah if that's the case, a lib certainly makes sense |
| 13:49.40 | Jamash | I don't use libraries for everything, I use them when it saves me time and effort |
| 13:49.42 | augustl | I like to think of the existing code as a lib, though. Which it kind of is. |
| 13:50.00 | augustl | so it becomes a question of which lib to use, so to speak |
| 13:50.03 | Jamash | yeah |
| 13:57.10 | augustl | imho beta keys could start working now |
| 13:57.39 | Jamash | yay it works |
| 13:57.46 | Warloco | :o |
| 13:57.53 | augustl | the lib or my code? |
| 13:58.02 | Warloco | DId I just alt tab in at the perfect time? |
| 13:58.02 | augustl | I'd be amazed if my code works =P |
| 13:58.28 | augustl | beta keys doesn't work =P |
| 13:58.53 | Jamash | the lib |
| 13:59.18 | Warloco | meh beta key indeed doesnt work yet |
| 13:59.27 | Warloco | you had me going there D: |
| 14:00.34 | nevcairiel | dont bet on fixes over the weekend |
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| 14:11.03 | A-KO | god |
| 14:11.14 | A-KO | quest in deepholm is so damn bugged |
| 14:11.22 | A-KO | not to mention balance druids are roflcopter piss poor atm |
| 14:12.15 | Jamash | try discipline |
| 14:12.20 | Jamash | discipline rocks the house |
| 14:13.55 | nevcairiel | A-KO: wut? i like playing my moonkin, its really fun. You must be doing something wrong =P |
| 14:14.33 | A-KO | nevcairiel: I'm 31 points balance right now, and A) my balance spells are pretty much costing no mana to cast, and B) it takes 10 years to kill anything in Deepholm |
| 14:14.46 | A-KO | so I can cast forever, but it takes forever to kill things |
| 14:14.47 | nevcairiel | A is good, isnt it |
| 14:14.59 | A-KO | not when it actually takes forever to kill things, and they rock my HP |
| 14:15.00 | A-KO | lol |
| 14:15.14 | nevcairiel | It doesn't take that long for me |
| 14:15.16 | A-KO | there's a quest in deepholm where you gotta help seal some stuff at Stone Hearth |
| 14:15.29 | A-KO | and there's like 6 troggs ganged up on one dude at a time, and every time you get aggro on one, they all aggro you |
| 14:15.32 | nevcairiel | i did whole deepholm as balance |
| 14:15.34 | A-KO | and kick the shit out of you |
| 14:15.39 | A-KO | yes, but how long ago? :P |
| 14:15.48 | A-KO | probably before they increased mob HP levels |
| 14:15.49 | nevcairiel | today |
| 14:15.52 | A-KO | hm |
| 14:16.00 | nevcairiel | i level to 83 in there last week |
| 14:16.00 | A-KO | I'm doing stone hearth and the shit is bugged ot hell for me |
| 14:16.04 | nevcairiel | then stopped |
| 14:16.09 | A-KO | yeah |
| 14:16.11 | nevcairiel | and did the rest of the zone today |
| 14:16.15 | A-KO | you probably did this quest before the HP level increase |
| 14:16.30 | A-KO | these troggs are kicking the doodoo out of me and it takes forever to kill 'em |
| 14:16.41 | nevcairiel | mobs have like 50k hp now |
| 14:16.44 | nevcairiel | the 83 ones |
| 14:16.44 | A-KO | yes |
| 14:16.50 | airtonix | you need cloggs to kick troggs |
| 14:16.53 | nevcairiel | and i do like 5k dps or so |
| 14:16.59 | nevcairiel | so, about 10-12 seconds |
| 14:17.18 | nevcairiel | i can actually trigger a eclipse in that time, or use dots without being a total waste |
| 14:17.20 | nevcairiel | i like it =P |
| 14:17.27 | nevcairiel | (except eclipse itself is broken) |
| 14:17.50 | nevcairiel | it procs fine, but the buff doesnt seem to .. well.. buff anything |
| 14:18.48 | nevcairiel | Now when you need to do one of those 200k elite mobs |
| 14:18.52 | nevcairiel | thats a bit tricky ;) |
| 14:19.06 | Jamash | !seen tekkub |
| 14:19.12 | A-KO | yeah |
| 14:19.16 | A-KO | the big dragon I had to trap |
| 14:19.19 | A-KO | took ages :P |
| 14:19.34 | nevcairiel | nature's grasp ftw :d |
| 14:19.48 | nevcairiel | combined with solar beam for casters |
| 14:19.51 | nevcairiel | time to heal! |
| 14:20.08 | Jamash | solar beam sounds like a cheesy anime attack |
| 14:20.29 | Jamash | SORARU BEAMU! |
| 14:20.32 | A-KO | haha |
| 14:20.41 | A-KO | damn it's already 32C outside :P |
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| 14:21.04 | nevcairiel | its only aaround 20 today, really awesome cool :) |
| 14:21.16 | A-KO | humidity is going to make today feel like 42-43C |
| 14:21.25 | A-KO | excessive heat warning in effect :P |
| 14:21.50 | A-KO | HIGH TEMPERATURES AT OR JUST ABOVE 100 DEGREES WILL COMBINE WITH HIGH HUMIDITY TO PRODUCE HEAT INDEX VALUES NEAR 110 DEGREES THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING. |
| 14:22.06 | Wobster | alright... |
| 14:22.08 | Wobster | no need to shout =P |
| 14:22.23 | A-KO | copied/pasted :P |
| 14:22.23 | Jamash | 110 degrees C? |
| 14:22.25 | A-KO | F |
| 14:22.29 | Wobster | by our heat indexes combined... |
| 14:22.40 | |Jelly| | A-KO: Where? |
| 14:22.47 | A-KO | Baltimore, MD, US :P |
| 14:23.01 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 14:23.14 | |Jelly| | It's hotter in Maryland than it is in Texas -- I love it. |
| 14:23.25 | A-KO | tell me about it |
| 14:23.48 | airtonix | mmmmm 110f |
| 14:23.56 | A-KO | it seems right now the US east coast is getting anal raped by mother nature |
| 14:23.59 | |Jelly| | I would say 'revenge, bitches!' but then it would snow more this winter and Texans + Snow = HURKADURKAIONNOHOWTODRIVE! |
| 14:24.06 | A-KO | actually, we've been pretty raped all year so far |
| 14:24.11 | A-KO | we had the most snowfall ever recorded in the area this winter |
| 14:24.18 | airtonix | purl, convert this silly temperature measurement system to the sensible version |
| 14:24.26 | airtonix | DO ETT |
| 14:24.34 | A-KO | 110F in C is around 43 or so |
| 14:24.34 | airtonix | :( |
| 14:24.35 | Jamash | purl, convert airtonix to a fine paste |
| 14:24.49 | airtonix | FUUUUUU |
| 14:24.49 | A-KO | purl, convert 110F to C |
| 14:24.50 | Wobster | we had a new years like that |
| 14:24.53 | A-KO | lol |
| 14:24.53 | airtonix | i left my drones behind |
| 14:24.57 | airtonix | thanks alot purl |
| 14:25.05 | Wobster | my friend's kids were frying eggs on the sidewalk |
| 14:25.09 | |Jelly| | ~botsnack |
| 14:25.09 | purl | thanks, |Jelly| |
| 14:25.12 | |Jelly| | <3 |
| 14:25.19 | Jamash | purl, convert 110 F to C |
| 14:25.19 | nevcairiel | purl, help convert |
| 14:25.29 | Jamash | bites purl. |
| 14:25.33 | nevcairiel | hm it should work |
| 14:25.39 | nevcairiel | purl, convert 10 miles to km |
| 14:26.04 | nevcairiel | purl, convert 110 degF to degC |
| 14:26.08 | airtonix | we should be using kelvin imo |
| 14:26.08 | nevcairiel | ha! |
| 14:26.23 | nevcairiel | that cant be right |
| 14:26.29 | airtonix | its not |
| 14:27.15 | A-KO | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs383.snc3/23416_293568925266_641465266_3570968_5261478_n.jpg < this was after the first of the storms we had this winter :P |
| 14:28.21 | |Jelly| | I'm going to blame the NORTH ATLANTIC CURRENT! |
| 14:28.41 | A-KO | IT'S SHUTTING DOWN |
| 14:28.44 | A-KO | WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE |
| 14:29.02 | |Jelly| | ZOMG! GET UNDER THE LINE! *said in the Arnold voice* |
| 14:30.04 | augustl | arnold saying zomg, that's funny :) |
| 14:30.25 | Thunder_Child | but...it's not 2012 yet |
| 14:31.11 | |Jelly| | woah |
| 14:31.28 | |Jelly| | That was a flood, not a freaking ICEAGE! |
| 14:33.44 | Wobster | Ackis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJKoSx0INyc&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:36.27 | airtonix | you been taking smurf lsd ? |
| 14:36.53 | airtonix | "get under the line" was the last thing Little Jimmy said as he was hit by a semi trailer while trying to get under the lines on the highway |
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| 15:21.12 | mikma | merijn: you are propably getting a wrong spot from the return |
| 15:30.08 | foxlit | So, did anyone write a Lua parser? |
| 15:30.41 | nevcairiel | there is one on lua.org, or so i heard |
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| 15:31.30 | foxlit | Could be interesting to find the function declarations/global variable assignments in a string |
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| 15:35.55 | alestane | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138889 how CUTE! |
| 15:37.46 | fiphi | :D |
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| 15:39.32 | alestane | Gods cold and blazing, they can't even assemble a complete English sentence. |
| 15:39.45 | foxlit | Do they need to? |
| 15:40.19 | foxlit | The target audience probably can't verify that the sentence is complete. |
| 15:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | so, here I sit, at wok on a saturday. |
| 15:40.47 | ScytheBlade1 | to be flown out to NY tomorrow, arriving at 11:30 pm |
| 15:40.59 | ScytheBlade1 | to work for the next two weeks straight |
| 15:41.00 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 15:41.05 | ScytheBlade1 | *work |
| 15:41.06 | ^RaK^ | :( |
| 15:41.26 | alestane | I know that's a typo, but when you say you'r at wok, I have this vision of you sitting in a stirfry. |
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| 15:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, I did too |
| 15:42.34 | foxlit | a kingdom for lookbehind assertions in patterns :( |
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| 15:49.05 | Wobster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2wEcyo7o-Q&feature=player_embedded |
| 15:49.07 | Wobster | ahahahaa |
| 15:49.10 | Wobster | >< |
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| 15:49.19 | Wobster | it keeps getting better and better =P |
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| 15:58.48 | Torhal | ~weather klou |
| 15:59.16 | augustl | is there anything purl can't do? |
| 15:59.28 | Torhal | Bacon. |
| 16:01.05 | Thunder_Child | neither can you Torhal |
| 16:01.19 | foxlit | Hm, a 50mb+ sqlite3 db. This will not do :( |
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| 16:03.09 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: No bacon? Damn it. |
| 16:04.09 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: no i said you cant 'do' Bacon, you can cook it, you can make it, you can eat it, but you cant 'do' it |
| 16:04.41 | Torhal | Are you saying that's a bad thing? I certainly don't see it that way. |
| 16:05.04 | Thunder_Child | no, i'ms siply saying you are holding purl up to impossible standards |
| 16:05.09 | Thunder_Child | i'm simply* |
| 16:05.16 | Torhal | Ah. |
| 16:05.32 | Torhal | Well, purl seems omnipotent at times... |
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| 16:09.47 | Kaelten | Torhal: :P |
| 16:10.24 | Fisker | slaps Kaelten around a bit with a large trout |
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| 16:39.27 | cogwheel | Torhal: bacon, indeed |
| 16:39.43 | Adys | ~ping |
| 16:39.44 | purl | ~pong |
| 16:42.46 | |Jelly| | cogwheel: What movie? |
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| 16:43.21 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: Women in Trouble and Humble Pie (indie comedies on netflix) |
| 16:43.28 | cogwheel | (gogo Wii) |
| 16:43.41 | |Jelly| | (gogo PS3 HD) |
| 16:43.56 | cogwheel | needs more games before it'll be worth it |
| 16:44.00 | cogwheel | for us |
| 16:44.17 | |Jelly| | Question: Why in the world does the Wii have to have the disc in the drive for Netflix to work? I thought the only reason the PS3 used the disc was to upconvert? |
| 16:44.43 | cogwheel | I've wondered that myself... |
| 16:45.13 | foxlit | It's stealthy drm. |
| 16:45.38 | foxlit | You can't share your rented movies with other people without giving them your disk? |
| 16:46.16 | cogwheel | so the disc is attached to the account ? |
| 16:46.28 | foxlit | I'm on the wrong continent to know |
| 16:46.42 | |Jelly| | Good call ... I don't recall having to input my information on my PS3 for my Netflix account. |
| 16:46.54 | |Jelly| | (I may have though; I'm really not sure) |
| 16:47.06 | foxlit | More toys: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/go/UIFrameFadeIn |
| 16:47.24 | Iriel | That seems unnecessarily complex and unrealistic |
| 16:47.37 | nevcairiel | you build your own xml explorer now? |
| 16:47.53 | Iriel | I'd imagine the disk is the same for everyone, it's probably to avoid some bizarre OS level limitation of the WIi |
| 16:47.53 | nevcairiel | framexml* |
| 16:47.53 | foxlit | nevcairiel: well, wowcompares seems to be getting worse |
| 16:47.56 | cogwheel | i think we had to log in the first time |
| 16:48.09 | foxlit | It won't even show the directory listings now :( |
| 16:48.10 | Seerah | foxlit: weren't UIFrameFadeIn and UIFrameFadeOut already in the client?... Or am I thinking of something else? |
| 16:48.26 | cogwheel | If it'll let you watching them in a browser on anyone's computer, how different is the wii? |
| 16:48.33 | foxlit | Seerah: Yes, they were. The toy is that the URL resolves the reference to the framexml function |
| 16:48.42 | Iriel | foxlit: Is the reference table browseable? |
| 16:48.49 | Seerah | ohhhhhh! |
| 16:49.09 | foxlit | Iriel: In theory. I'm pondering how to expose it |
| 16:49.28 | Iriel | foxlit: maybe a long black coat and sandals? |
| 16:49.39 | foxlit | :P |
| 16:51.58 | foxlit | basically have table mapping symbol name to file:line across several builds; not sure whether that's useful for many things |
| 16:52.43 | |Jelly| | So absolutely not starting a political discussion here, but I really find it funny that people (friends of friends, as it were) have their political affiliation as something and then when you look at their groups/music/etc (especially hobbies), it completely goes against what (unless of course they /are/ actually the unique snowflake that they /think/ they are) their political beliefs would [normally] hold. Hope there's enough generalizations in there so as |
| 16:52.44 | |Jelly| | to not cause a stink. |
| 16:52.48 | |Jelly| | SPAM! |
| 16:53.27 | Iriel | foxlit: well, just being able to see all the names in one place (or at least related names in one place) might be handy |
| 16:53.51 | Iriel | or at least be able to search in them, see a list of names, and click through |
| 16:54.34 | foxlit | Hm, a browsable list. That's relatively easy to arrange :) |
| 16:54.58 | foxlit | I was thinking of some sort of google-like auto complete-enabled searchbox, but that's probably trickier |
| 16:55.26 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: I know some people like that. Taxes bad! government bad! free healthcare good! free housing good! |
| 16:56.03 | cogwheel | lern2consistency |
| 16:56.18 | cogwheel | really, i think most people never think through their beliefs |
| 16:56.36 | Seerah | cogwheel: but, doesn't money grow on trees, and I know - I KNOW that magic exists!!! |
| 16:57.00 | |Jelly| | Well, in his defense, he's a teenager so he's probably just regurgitating whatever political/religious ideologies that their parents have. |
| 16:57.03 | cogwheel | and when they do, if the beliefs have deep roots, then they'll jump through all kinds of hoops to compensate or put up mental blocks to hide the fact |
| 16:57.10 | |Jelly| | Seerah: *NOM* :P |
| 16:57.23 | Seerah | :D |
| 16:57.44 | Fisker | slaps Seerah around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:57.47 | Seerah | Afterall, the new Sorcerer's Apprentice movie is based on a true story. *nod* |
| 16:58.37 | foxlit | Iriel: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/12213/symbols |
| 16:59.07 | Iriel | foxlit: cool 8-) |
| 16:59.30 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: unfortunately, I can't say the same for the person I'm referring to... |
| 17:01.18 | cogwheel | he has also bought in (quite literally) to an essentially free energy machine... Using power from a car's alternator to hydrolyze water, pumping the H2 + O2 into the combustion chamber for "added" energy... |
| 17:01.56 | cogwheel | His "scientific" testing has amounted to using the computer port to monitor fuel usage on his "normal trip around town" |
| 17:02.10 | cogwheel | physics be damned |
| 17:02.17 | mikma | seerah: heh |
| 17:02.48 | cogwheel | s/amounted/amounts/ |
| 17:03.03 | Seerah | cogwheel: magic I tells'ya!!!! |
| 17:03.20 | cogwheel | He's the person they're talking about in that article about facts backfiring -_- |
| 17:03.46 | Mr_Rabies | laws of thermodynamics and billions of dollars of scientific research be damned, i can make free money |
| 17:04.29 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:10.19 | cogwheel | Fisker: ima download sc2 |
| 17:10.29 | alestane | So, he's using power generated by his engine to "create" an additive to "increase" his engine's power output...which he will then use to hydrolyze more water. |
| 17:10.38 | alestane | Yeah, I don't think that's going to work. |
| 17:12.00 | alestane | Since pretty much by definition, it's going to take at least as much power to hydrolyze the water as you're going to be able to obtain by burning the hydrogen/oxygen mix. |
| 17:12.13 | cogwheel | indeed |
| 17:12.32 | alestane | All he's really doing is adding more conversions into the process, more steps at which entropy is going to reduce efficiency. |
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| 17:22.35 | Jamash | is this blacklight power again? |
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| 17:28.12 | mikma | mikk: u sux |
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| 17:33.51 | foxlit | Hm, parametrized queries and IN(...) |
| 17:34.28 | Mikk | mikma: only in your wet dreams! |
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| 17:35.49 | cogwheel | alestane: I think some part of the confusion comes from the fact that the water is "used up". In reality, the gasses are just being turned back into water and escaping through the tail pipe... |
| 17:36.43 | nevcairiel | its converted into pure energy |
| 17:36.46 | nevcairiel | clearly |
| 17:37.01 | Adys_ | cogwheel: about? |
| 17:37.07 | Adys_ | guessing nuclear energy |
| 17:37.15 | cogwheel | Adys_: sec... i'll pastey |
| 17:37.32 | Jamash | more like "cars that run on water" |
| 17:37.39 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 17:37.42 | Jamash | and other children's stories |
| 17:38.22 | Adys | cars can't run on water |
| 17:38.23 | cogwheel | nvm. re pastey... i've written him way more than i thought... |
| 17:38.25 | Adys | drive on water, sure. |
| 17:39.23 | cogwheel | Adys: |
| 17:39.50 | cogwheel | grr... |
| 17:39.51 | cogwheel | sec |
| 17:40.19 | Fisker | cogwheel sec |
| 17:40.40 | cogwheel | keyboard layout fail |
| 17:40.51 | cogwheel | i kept trying to copy but it was fucking up the text -_- |
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| 17:41.01 | cogwheel | Adys: 10:01 < cogwheel> he has also bought in (quite literally) to an essentially free energy machine... Using power from a car's alternator to hydrolyze water, pumping the H2 + O2 into the combustion chamber for "added" energy... |
| 17:41.05 | cogwheel | 10:01 < cogwheel> His "scientific" testing has amounted to using the computer port to monitor fuel usage on his "normal trip around town" |
| 17:41.08 | cogwheel | 10:02 < cogwheel> physics be damned |
| 17:41.25 | Fisker | what is that? |
| 17:41.36 | Thunder_Child | text |
| 17:41.46 | Fisker | thank you Thunder_Child |
| 17:41.51 | Fisker | my eyes almost deceived me |
| 17:42.20 | Fisker | anyway cogwheel who did homebrew fuelcells? |
| 17:42.41 | A-KO | http://www.mirc.com/beta.html |
| 17:42.43 | A-KO | for those interested |
| 17:42.53 | Fisker | a version of mirc that doesn't suck? |
| 17:43.11 | Cairenn | unpossible |
| 17:43.20 | Fisker | i'm still waiting for proper multiserver support |
| 17:43.22 | Fisker | maybe this has it |
| 17:43.40 | A-KO | what do you mean proper?.... |
| 17:43.48 | nevcairiel | proper anything |
| 17:43.58 | nevcairiel | i heard they finally implemented unicode support |
| 17:43.59 | mikma | lolrc beta |
| 17:43.59 | A-KO | never had a problem with it here.... |
| 17:44.24 | nevcairiel | like, 10 years too late |
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| 17:45.12 | mikma | http://www.rlslog.net/mirc-v7-07-beta-incl-keygen-and-patch-lz0/ |
| 17:45.52 | A-KO | heh |
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| 17:47.54 | Fisker | oh well |
| 17:47.59 | Fisker | 7.08 isn't any better |
| 17:48.00 | mikma | anyone here needs invites for EU Ally? :) |
| 17:48.03 | Dagmar | wd/window balance |
| 17:50.08 | augustl | mikma: I wish! |
| 17:50.41 | mikma | augustl: i has! |
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| 17:51.13 | augustl | key not working yet ;) |
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| 17:57.17 | mikma | this new sigil is awesome |
| 17:58.46 | Fisker | you sigil |
| 18:03.29 | cloudwolf | augustl you should go make blizzard make our keys work :D |
| 18:05.49 | augustl | deffo |
| 18:07.18 | Maldivia | mikma: the one with stats? |
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| 18:17.57 | mikma | maldivia: ya |
| 18:19.01 | Fisker | damn Maldivia |
| 18:20.01 | foxlit | Fun: beta launcher crashes |
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| 18:20.12 | Fisker | Old: beta launcher crashes |
| 18:21.03 | Maldivia | foxlit: run it once as admin, and it should be ol |
| 18:21.04 | Maldivia | ok* |
| 18:21.37 | Fisker | i don't want to be part of your system Maldivia |
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| 18:23.02 | foxlit | Maldivia: Hm, that didn't quite resolve it |
| 18:23.11 | Maldivia | foxlit: did for me :P |
| 18:23.19 | Fisker | did for Maldivia |
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| 18:24.26 | foxlit | does work when ran as admin, though |
| 18:25.25 | durcyn | ugh, why on earth does this beta launcher force all links to open in IE |
| 18:25.42 | Maldivia | because it uses IExplorer as renderer? |
| 18:26.10 | durcyn | doesn't matter, you can still pass urls to the system default handler instead of this bullshit |
| 18:26.26 | durcyn | lots of things embed shdocvw.dll without being this retarded about it |
| 18:27.25 | foxlit | durcyn: not all links |
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| 18:28.12 | durcyn | yeah, i see that now. looks like it's just the blizzcon virtual ticket |
| 18:28.20 | foxlit | It's flash. |
| 18:28.21 | durcyn | which is still mind boggingly dumb |
| 18:28.23 | durcyn | . |
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| 18:30.08 | foxlit | flash is mind bogglingly dumb, yes :) |
| 18:30.09 | Fisker | it's blame MS to be honest |
| 18:30.25 | Fisker | javascript have the same effect too i believe |
| 18:30.29 | Dashkal | It's odd that flash would open links in the browser that's hosting it? |
| 18:30.57 | foxlit | when the browser that's hosting it would open links in a different browser? |
| 18:31.15 | Dashkal | How would flash know that, and why would it care? |
| 18:31.22 | Fisker | For example when Steam still used the IE rendered javascript popups would open in IE instead of your default browser |
| 18:31.33 | Dashkal | Now, using flash at all, yeah, wtf |
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| 18:45.38 | alestane | So, are the new skill levels in the beta yet? |
| 18:45.48 | nevcairiel | skill levels? |
| 18:45.56 | nevcairiel | professions? |
| 18:46.03 | Fisker | nevcairiel? |
| 18:46.07 | alestane | Profession ranks, yes. |
| 18:46.12 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 18:46.39 | alestane | Hmm, looks like they gave me a bunch of recipes I don't recognize automatically. |
| 18:46.48 | nevcairiel | at least i havent seen any trainer anywhere |
| 18:47.03 | kd3 | profs aren't in |
| 18:47.08 | kd3 | also, trainers are broken |
| 18:47.08 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 18:47.13 | Fisker | very. |
| 18:47.20 | mikma | yeah |
| 18:47.23 | nevcairiel | i heard you cant train skills right now when you have 2 professions |
| 18:47.24 | mikma | can't train spells |
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| 19:10.38 | augustl | is there an API for the wow armory to get the character portrait in any way, shape or form? |
| 19:10.53 | augustl | ideally a jpeg or a png or something, or a swf for the 3d stuffs, or whatever |
| 19:11.23 | cbreak | you could put the page into a frame? :D |
| 19:11.34 | cbreak | or just rewrite the XML on the fly |
| 19:12.32 | augustl | hmm, <modelBasePath value="http://eu.media.battle.net.edgesuite.net/"/> |
| 19:12.38 | augustl | cbreak: rewrite what XML? |
| 19:13.00 | cbreak | augustl: the xml from the wowarmory |
| 19:13.41 | augustl | cbreak: other than the modelBasePath, I can't find any hints about the portrait |
| 19:13.49 | augustl | I wonder what the modelBasePath is |
| 19:14.17 | foxlit | rip it from html? |
| 19:16.25 | foxlit | besides, the portrait is the forum avatar |
| 19:16.48 | foxlit | it's basically a race, gender, level triple |
| 19:16.59 | nevcairiel | +class |
| 19:18.18 | foxlit | point, |
| 19:18.22 | foxlit | s/,/./ |
| 19:22.29 | augustl | hardlinking to http://static.wowhead.com/images/wow/icons/large/inv_axe_35.jpg et al is tempting |
| 19:22.37 | augustl | feels wrong though, since wowhead <3 |
| 19:22.41 | A-KO | damn league of legends is bad ass |
| 19:22.47 | augustl | is there a zip somewhere with all those images? |
| 19:23.01 | Maldivia | augustl: download the addon toolkit, extract the art, and convert the blps yourself |
| 19:23.04 | foxlit | augustl: it's also cropped, so meh |
| 19:23.18 | augustl | Maldivia: ah, thanks |
| 19:23.21 | foxlit | I'm sure jnwhiteh hosts PNG archives somewhere, too |
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| 19:25.53 | Fisker | slaps Maldivia around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:26.32 | augustl | jnwhiteh: are you for sure hosting PNG archives somewhere? :) |
| 19:28.10 | Seerah | augustl: use the addon toolkit and you don't have to depend on others ;) but: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser also... |
| 19:28.12 | foxlit | Hm, perhaps not. http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser seems to have no zip links |
| 19:28.15 | Seerah | ~addonkit |
| 19:28.16 | purl | Located at http://tinyurl.com/addonkit the addonkit is "The World of Warcraft User Interface Customization tool that allows users to tweak and customize the User Interface." |
| 19:28.47 | Seerah | right-click... save as |
| 19:29.00 | foxlit | a few thousand times. |
| 19:29.08 | Seerah | depends on what you want, I suppose |
| 19:29.15 | augustl | where are the spells hiding? |
| 19:29.26 | augustl | Icons |
| 19:29.37 | foxlit | \Icons\ |
| 19:29.37 | nevcairiel | all is in icons |
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| 19:33.23 | augustl | does wowhead have an XML api for their search? |
| 19:33.41 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/07/24/networks.png |
| 19:33.58 | Adys | i think theres something wrong with network manager |
| 19:34.11 | nevcairiel | why? :d |
| 19:34.24 | nevcairiel | maybe you just have a shitload of networks |
| 19:34.44 | nevcairiel | speaking of wireless, anyone know a good type N router? |
| 19:35.33 | Adys | no, half of these networks are 200 meters away |
| 19:35.43 | Adys | i just walked and it kept registering them, never rescanning |
| 19:37.05 | cloudwolf | lol Adys wtf is with smellydog |
| 19:37.07 | cloudwolf | XD |
| 19:37.28 | cloudwolf | lol greatest name for a wireless connection |
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| 19:43.13 | Adys | ~ping |
| 19:43.14 | purl | ~pong |
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| 19:44.33 | mikma | oh man |
| 19:44.38 | mikma | hyjal has buggy caves |
| 19:45.06 | cloudwolf | lol atleast they arn't arachnid caves >.> |
| 19:45.29 | Maldivia | Adys: searching for a reliable open network for you to tap into ? :) |
| 19:49.07 | cloudwolf | *hacker mode activated* would you like to search for un encrypted networks? [yes][no]. I see you have selected no... I can't let you do that..... |
| 19:51.04 | Maldivia | reminds me of "the good old" yes and no button, and if you moved the mouse over the no, it jumped away to another location on the screen |
| 19:51.30 | Fisker | i cracked it Maldivia |
| 19:51.33 | Fisker | tab ftw |
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| 20:01.36 | cloudwolf | Maldivia |
| 20:01.38 | cloudwolf | i had one of those once |
| 20:01.43 | cloudwolf | except it was a rickroll |
| 20:01.53 | cloudwolf | first it poped the window to all different locaitons ont he screenw hen i pressed the x button |
| 20:02.02 | cloudwolf | then it started to pop up the lyrics |
| 20:04.38 | Maldivia | cute |
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| 20:20.30 | Fisker | slaps Maldivia around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:23.46 | cog|away | Fisker: make motorola release FroYo for Droid... |
| 20:24.11 | Fisker | Yeah that's what you get for not buying the Nexus One |
| 20:24.16 | Fisker | and now we won't get a Nexus Two |
| 20:24.19 | Fisker | thanks a lot, jerk. |
| 20:24.22 | cogwheel | The Nexus Fail |
| 20:24.42 | Fisker | naw |
| 20:24.45 | Fisker | nexus is nice |
| 20:26.14 | cogwheel | yeah, but it failed |
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| 20:27.29 | Fisker | only because of people like you |
| 20:27.30 | Fisker | :( |
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| 20:31.06 | Maldivia | Adys: so you found another open wireless ? :) |
| 20:31.22 | Adys | theres like 4-5 within 300m of my home |
| 20:31.28 | Adys | i switch between them once in a while |
| 20:32.17 | Maldivia | and your own will be getting there, when ? |
| 20:32.39 | Adys | im not sure, i was planning on going with BE but that involves waiting for a phoneline for weeks still |
| 20:32.43 | Adys | so i think ill just get cable |
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| 20:37.59 | Antiarc | http://5secondfilms.com/watch/absence_of_the_towels |
| 20:39.43 | A-KO | damn |
| 20:39.46 | A-KO | 16/2/5 with Ryze in LoL |
| 20:39.48 | A-KO | sweet |
| 20:40.19 | cloudwolf | lol damn it antiarc |
| 20:42.54 | cloudwolf | those 5 seocnd films are strange |
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| 20:46.02 | airtonix | adys leaves ports 135 and 139 open when he connects to his neighbours wifi |
| 20:46.04 | airtonix | noob |
| 20:46.13 | Adys | ? |
| 20:46.20 | airtonix | and you wonder why you hear them fapping all night |
| 20:47.37 | airtonix | adys |
| 20:47.48 | airtonix | have you ever ran wireshark when you do shit like that ? |
| 20:48.18 | Adys | I'm not looking at porn nor giving bank credentials |
| 20:48.23 | Adys | why do i care if you can see my gmail |
| 20:48.37 | airtonix | so IT is you stealing my wifi ! |
| 20:48.39 | airtonix | right!@ |
| 20:48.46 | airtonix | <runs out side> |
| 20:48.54 | airtonix | muwahaha |
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| 20:51.01 | Cide | hi |
| 20:53.20 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:53.25 | foxlit | myndflame: bad at self-set deadlines, or the worst at self-set deadlines? |
| 20:54.10 | Fisker | Gmail is using ssl anyway |
| 20:54.11 | Fisker | so pwnt |
| 20:56.45 | foxlit | Anywhere I can steal the JS side of an autocomplete input from? |
| 21:00.10 | zenzelezz | http://vimeo.com/2809991?pg=embed&sec=2809991 - Star Wars (ep. 4-6) plot, told by someone who hasn't watched them |
| 21:01.53 | Fisker | zenzelezzmen |
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| 21:09.43 | airtonix | Adys_, i was pointing out smb ports btw. |
| 21:10.05 | airtonix | but you knew that |
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| 21:33.18 | Yssaril | anyone elses wow beta launchers pops up and closes a fraction of a second later? (using WIn7 works if i run it as admin) |
| 21:34.35 | Fisker | l2p issue Yssaril |
| 21:34.49 | augustl | anyone know if this is supposed to work? http://www.wowhead.com/items?filter=na=sanctified&xml |
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| 21:37.52 | mikma | augustl: threw me an error |
| 21:38.01 | augustl | yeah |
| 21:40.11 | augustl | wowhead doesn't have a search/filtering API does it? |
| 21:40.14 | augustl | or any kind of paid API? |
| 21:41.38 | mikma | this tauren is dualwielding heroic bryntroll and heroic warmace of menethil ... |
| 21:41.56 | augustl | perhaps the armory has something |
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| 21:43.11 | Maldivia | the armory is pure xml, so that would be a good guess |
| 21:44.32 | Fisker | Maldivia |
| 21:44.34 | Fisker | hello. |
| 21:44.41 | Maldivia | augustl: for instance, your search above: http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=sanctified&searchType=items |
| 21:44.46 | augustl | seems like the armory have everything I need! |
| 21:46.11 | Maldivia | howdydo Fisker |
| 21:47.25 | Fisker | omg Maldivia |
| 21:47.48 | augustl | making a cutsie webapp for requesting enchants <3 |
| 21:49.01 | Fisker | free omg? |
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| 21:56.10 | cloudwolf | i have sadness blizzard come on beta puhleez? lol and now i be quiet again |
| 21:57.04 | Zyn | keeping being sad |
| 21:57.17 | cloudwolf | Zyn yeah yeah i know |
| 21:57.24 | cloudwolf | itll be next friday by the time its fixed lol |
| 21:57.33 | Jamash | so the latest batch of keys still doesn't work? |
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| 21:57.40 | cloudwolf | last i tried jamash no |
| 21:57.43 | Gnarfoz | it's not the keys, it's the page |
| 21:57.44 | cloudwolf | i can try again right now if you want |
| 21:57.45 | Gnarfoz | so no |
| 21:57.49 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 21:57.51 | augustl | the unique ID of a character is not exposed in the armory I suppose? |
| 21:57.52 | Jamash | I could tell you how awesome the beta is |
| 21:57.55 | Fisker | your page is key |
| 21:58.02 | Jamash | if you like |
| 21:58.03 | augustl | for building a database that won't break on character renames and migrations |
| 21:58.13 | cloudwolf | But yeah jamash the new battle.net doesn't recognize 25 length keys |
| 21:58.19 | Jamash | I think they specifically do not expose that information, augustl |
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| 21:59.25 | Gnarfoz | augustl: character unique IDs change on cross-realmpool transfers |
| 21:59.36 | augustl | Gnarfoz: ah. Makes sense |
| 21:59.44 | augustl | probably different tablez in oracle databasez :) |
| 21:59.47 | Gnarfoz | also, on delete & restore :( |
| 22:01.06 | Jamash | I'd be willing to bet you could construct a fuzzy matcher using achievement data |
| 22:01.26 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: it's not like that hasn't been created already |
| 22:01.27 | cloudwolf | jamash time to be sad and idle more D: |
| 22:01.37 | Gnarfoz | wowprogress.com's "detective" feature, for one |
| 22:01.42 | Jamash | cool |
| 22:01.44 | nevcairiel | is that still running? |
| 22:01.55 | nevcairiel | back in the day, it stopped at some time |
| 22:02.04 | nevcairiel | but didnt visit the page for a year or so |
| 22:02.04 | Gnarfoz | I don't think so, it's not scraping anymore |
| 22:02.33 | Jamash | awesome, my guild is ranked 38,677 in the world |
| 22:02.47 | Gnarfoz | not sure why, could be resources, could be a lack of an update for the changes the armory had to support dual spec, or whatever |
| 22:03.07 | Jamash | it's showing achievements as of jun 18th for my guild |
| 22:03.21 | Gnarfoz | nevermind that, that's another part of the page |
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| 22:03.41 | Gnarfoz | meh, I'm getting new mail notifications earlier on my phone than in my email client, what gives |
| 22:04.04 | Jamash | push vs pull? |
| 22:04.19 | Fisker | today you will die Gnarfoz |
| 22:04.31 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: isnt it nice? |
| 22:04.48 | nevcairiel | especially with gmail its fast |
| 22:04.50 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: no, it's not, I want my email client to be as quick, at least ;) |
| 22:04.52 | Jamash | you people and your smartphones |
| 22:04.53 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's gmail |
| 22:05.09 | cloudwolf | lol the guild im running icc10 with is 34437 >.> |
| 22:05.11 | nevcairiel | i believe gmail can push a notification to a android gmail client |
| 22:05.16 | Jamash | all poncing about looking so fancy with your idroids and your anphones |
| 22:05.28 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: well, it's just imap, isn't it? |
| 22:05.37 | tem | hey neat |
| 22:05.40 | tem | my guild is 284 |
| 22:05.41 | nevcairiel | yes, but maybe they added an additionaly command :p |
| 22:05.50 | tem | us 91 |
| 22:05.51 | cloudwolf | lol tem globally or server? |
| 22:05.56 | tem | globally |
| 22:06.01 | Gnarfoz | isn't imap idle enough for that, nevcairiel? |
| 22:06.14 | nevcairiel | should be |
| 22:06.21 | nevcairiel | maybe your email client just sucks |
| 22:06.24 | Gnarfoz | naw |
| 22:06.29 | Gnarfoz | it's set to use pop3 for gmail T_T |
| 22:06.30 | Gnarfoz | m( |
| 22:06.34 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 22:06.52 | Gnarfoz | probably because gmail didn't offer imap back when I added it to my client |
| 22:06.59 | nevcairiel | i dont even use a client anymore |
| 22:07.04 | nevcairiel | phone and web interface <.< |
| 22:07.06 | Gnarfoz | bleh |
| 22:07.08 | Gnarfoz | no way |
| 22:07.13 | Jamash | I use thunderbird |
| 22:07.33 | Gnarfoz | the bat! <3 |
| 22:07.45 | nevcairiel | is the bat still being worked on? |
| 22:07.53 | flexd_ | the bat ? |
| 22:07.55 | Gnarfoz | it is |
| 22:08.00 | Jamash | batman? |
| 22:08.06 | Gnarfoz | flexd_: the bat! (including exclamation mark, for some reason) |
| 22:08.16 | flexd_ | what is it? |
| 22:08.18 | nevcairiel | i remember it from way back |
| 22:08.19 | Dagmar | LONG dead |
| 22:08.23 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: you are? |
| 22:08.28 | Gnarfoz | http://www.apple.com/antenna/ < they're trying really hard to shift the blame ^^ |
| 22:08.31 | Jamash | pfft, software that costs money |
| 22:08.52 | Jamash | pfft, apple |
| 22:08.53 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: software that doesn't have totally broken imap support? :> |
| 22:09.06 | Jamash | is thunderbird's imap support broken? |
| 22:09.10 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: yeah the other companys already launched big complaints about them doing a failed comparison |
| 22:09.11 | Dagmar | No. |
| 22:09.12 | Gnarfoz | it was forthe longest time |
| 22:09.19 | Jamash | okay, and? |
| 22:09.27 | Fisker | carexplosion Gnarfoz |
| 22:09.48 | Gnarfoz | guess what, I didn't decide only after 3.0 came out which email client to use? ;) |
| 22:09.54 | Dagmar | ..a-a-and tHey have no intention of breaking it anytime soon? |
| 22:09.55 | Jamash | btw I have a green protodrake |
| 22:09.59 | Gnarfoz | (I actually did that before thunderbird even existed) |
| 22:10.12 | Jamash | it's greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen |
| 22:10.21 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: wonder when someone sues them for libel ;p |
| 22:10.25 | Fisker | gasleak Gnarfoz |
| 22:10.42 | Gnarfoz | love parade Fisker + 17 other people |
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| 22:11.14 | Cide | huh, youtube snake is fun. |
| 22:11.24 | Fisker | buildingcollapse Gnarfoz |
| 22:11.27 | Fisker | no Cide |
| 22:11.28 | Jamash | blizz should put hunter pets on the armory |
| 22:11.35 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: so its 17 now eh? |
| 22:11.36 | Cide | yes |
| 22:11.41 | Fisker | and gearscore them Jamash |
| 22:11.47 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:11.50 | Fisker | yes |
| 22:11.52 | Fisker | very yes |
| 22:11.57 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: 18, 17+fisker ;) |
| 22:12.14 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: ironically, youtube is showing Love Parade ads all day T_T |
| 22:12.46 | Jamash | I never did get around to implementing fishscore |
| 22:13.30 | alestane | Fishscore? |
| 22:13.32 | Jamash | it would rate a player based solely on their +fishing modifier and fishing-related achievements |
| 22:13.57 | sylvanaar_ipad | thats kinda funny |
| 22:14.56 | sylvanaar_ipad | Herbscore |
| 22:15.07 | nevcairiel | i have a herbscore of 450! |
| 22:15.27 | cloudwolf | lol |
| 22:15.32 | Jamash | for example, I have 220 fishing achievement points and I think a +40 fishing modifier |
| 22:15.34 | sylvanaar_ipad | higher score is better |
| 22:15.49 | cloudwolf | My Fscore addon says your not good enough to run this raid with us! |
| 22:16.30 | Jamash | you could also do chefscore of course |
| 22:16.41 | Fisker | herbscore? |
| 22:16.44 | sylvanaar_ipad | Zagat Guide |
| 22:16.49 | Fisker | high...score is more like it |
| 22:16.51 | Gnarfoz | tradeskillscore, Fishingscore+Herbscore |
| 22:16.53 | Jamash | my guild leader is a fraud, he has the chef's hat but can't even cook fish feasts |
| 22:17.06 | sylvanaar_ipad | Fisker: too slow i already made the joke |
| 22:17.15 | Fisker | screw you sylvanaar |
| 22:17.23 | Fisker | i have like a mental block on "ipad" |
| 22:17.33 | Fisker | unless it contains huge amounts of hate towards it |
| 22:17.47 | cloudwolf | My S(econd)P(rofession)score addon says you only have a score of 200 im sorry but you need atleast 600 for this raid |
| 22:17.49 | Gnarfoz | could make a module that listens on chat for tradeskill links and checks how many tradeskill recipes you've learnt for the respective profession |
| 22:18.14 | sylvanaar_ipad | Fisker: don't hate |
| 22:18.23 | Gnarfoz | (hooray for massive data in those links) |
| 22:23.54 | Fisker | goodnight cruel Gnarfoz |
| 22:24.14 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: I hope you don't wake up again >:F |
| 22:27.36 | industrial | klokjes |
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| 22:30.28 | kaw_ | heyy |
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| 22:38.05 | cloudwolf | its quiet lol |
| 22:43.50 | zenzelezz | lies |
| 22:44.09 | cloudwolf | would i lie to you? |
| 22:44.16 | cloudwolf | probably but thats not the point |
| 22:44.58 | flexd_ | hmm |
| 22:45.14 | flexd_ | has anyone done the quest "Just a few more things..." in Borean Tundra (Fizzcrank Airstrip) |
| 22:45.37 | nevcairiel | probably 3 times |
| 22:45.42 | nevcairiel | i usually dont skip things |
| 22:45.45 | flexd_ | where the hell is the overcharged cap? |
| 22:46.03 | flexd_ | QuestHelper has had me run to |
| 22:46.03 | flexd_ | uh |
| 22:46.11 | nevcairiel | auction house |
| 22:46.14 | flexd_ | wherever the hell i am right now.. it has Library Guardians |
| 22:46.18 | flexd_ | at level 79 |
| 22:46.23 | nevcairiel | engineers build it |
| 22:46.25 | flexd_ | and the quest is level 71 :/ |
| 22:46.26 | flexd_ | oh |
| 22:46.29 | flexd_ | :P |
| 22:46.31 | flexd_ | that makes it easier |
| 22:46.51 | xDD | Well, engineers can salvage it from those mechanicals |
| 22:46.58 | xDD | That's why it sent you there :P |
| 22:47.09 | nevcairiel | QH is just not smart |
| 22:47.16 | nevcairiel | it just shows you its dumb datamined data |
| 22:47.45 | flexd_ | yeea |
| 22:47.50 | flexd_ | but its kind of nice in some cases |
| 22:47.53 | flexd_ | I like the arrow |
| 22:48.02 | cloudwolf | i used questhelper for a long time |
| 22:48.07 | cloudwolf | untill blizzard gave the default quest info |
| 22:48.13 | cloudwolf | and now i just use that |
| 22:48.26 | flexd_ | hmm, perhaps its a good idea |
| 22:48.36 | flexd_ | I mean.. the DO show arrows |
| 22:48.41 | flexd_ | Just in the minimap |
| 22:48.48 | xDD | I wonder why no one yet made a fully intelligent leveling addon.. that like takes into consideration your class, professions and so on to guide you properly to quest items |
| 22:48.51 | flexd_ | I can just make my own little arrow addon |
| 22:48.53 | nevcairiel | there are plenty addons that can show arrows for those too |
| 22:48.56 | cloudwolf | it lowered my load times flexd thats why |
| 22:48.58 | nevcairiel | just have to select a quest on the map |
| 22:49.14 | xDD | Do addons have access to the blizzard quest location coordinates? |
| 22:49.26 | nevcairiel | xDD: would be rather wasteful, there are not many differences between classes or professions while leveling |
| 22:49.28 | Dagmar | xDD: Because the lazy rotters who want such a thing will never cough up a dime whlie they stack piles of self-contradictory requests a mile high |
| 22:49.53 | nevcairiel | TourGuide will do that though, just not class specifics |
| 22:50.13 | flexd_ | One of the nice things i do like about quest helper is that it puts up a button for the quest item (if it has a use ability) next to the quest |
| 22:50.17 | flexd_ | Makes me dig in my bags less |
| 22:50.18 | xDD | Yeah I know TourGuide but it's not very intelligent |
| 22:50.21 | Dagmar | TourGuide's not free anymore |
| 22:50.27 | nevcairiel | It is again |
| 22:50.35 | flexd_ | Not free addons ? Isn't that against tos? |
| 22:50.35 | xDD | flexd_ The default UI does that as well |
| 22:50.57 | flexd_ | haha, okay |
| 22:50.58 | Dagmar | Ah okay I hadn't heard he'd gone back to having a free/public version |
| 22:51.11 | nevcairiel | the contract expired, so he just put it back up |
| 22:51.14 | flexd_ | I installed questhelper before even starting wow |
| 22:51.22 | nevcairiel | really, your loss |
| 22:51.27 | nevcairiel | you should read quests |
| 22:51.30 | flexd_ | I do |
| 22:51.32 | nevcairiel | there are so many gems hidden in there |
| 22:51.40 | flexd_ | I always read the quest |
| 22:51.47 | nevcairiel | then you already know where to go |
| 22:51.50 | flexd_ | The green arrow just allows my mind to zombieplay a bit :D |
| 22:51.51 | nevcairiel | whats the point of QH? :D |
| 22:51.56 | flexd_ | while coding ofcourse |
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| 22:52.24 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5591613/incredible-physics-engine-yields-some-seriously-jaw+dropping-dirt |
| 22:52.36 | xDD | What's the point of quests at that point... someone at Blizz should read this http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/dynamic-events/dynamic-events-overview/ |
| 22:53.50 | Dagmar | xDD: What's it got to do with Blizz |
| 22:53.51 | nevcairiel | thats just a pipe dream, and will never work out without texts |
| 22:54.24 | nevcairiel | I mean, quoting dreams from a yet unreleased game is always great |
| 22:54.24 | cloudwolf | its wasabi soysauce almond fun time! |
| 22:54.28 | Dagmar | More to the point, Blizz's quest texts _aren't_ just "boring walls of text about mundane events" |
| 22:54.58 | foxlit | s/just/always/ |
| 22:55.12 | foxlit | "You, over there, fetch me three rat heads!" |
| 22:55.39 | nevcairiel | I rather read a reason for fetching rat heads then just being yellwed at to get them :D |
| 22:55.58 | foxlit | "The rats are, um, being a pest." |
| 22:56.14 | nevcairiel | at least in the cataclysm redesigned zones there is a big storyline going through the whole area |
| 22:56.19 | nevcairiel | its really nice to read them |
| 22:56.20 | nevcairiel | imho |
| 22:56.20 | xDD | You don't get yelled at to get them, you see rats invading your town so you decide to either kill them or move on to a new town :P |
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| 22:57.26 | foxlit | cata is a yet unreleased game, though :) |
| 22:57.31 | nevcairiel | deepholm, as unfinished as it is, was really fun. i can only recommend doing it properly, with reading and exploring :p |
| 22:57.32 | cloudwolf | "you see massive amounts of rats in this town" "go lay down rat poison" |
| 22:57.54 | foxlit | Nevermind that, however. You do have a point -- most quests aren't bad in regards to giving you a reason to fetch yet more heads, eyes, or guts. |
| 22:57.54 | cloudwolf | is it just me or could you make life mor fun by narrating it like an rpg lol |
| 22:57.55 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 22:57.56 | nevcairiel | foxlit: sure, but i am talking about content that actually exists there |
| 22:58.38 | augustl | anyone know if it's possible to search the armory for both items and armor, in one query? |
| 22:58.40 | xDD | Apparently GW2 has a few thousand dynamic events already, hope they are not all the same "omg town is getting invaded, kill everything" |
| 22:58.43 | augustl | but only items and armory - not everything |
| 22:59.19 | augustl | s/armory/armor |
| 22:59.59 | xDD | Did anyone watch the ranger skill videos from GW2? http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/ scroll down and click the skill icons at the right of the video |
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| 23:01.48 | xDD | In the Spread Shot video the arrows take fire as they fly over the campfire or whatever it's supposed to be :P |
| 23:03.15 | Adys | ~pi!g |
| 23:03.17 | Adys | ~ping |
| 23:03.18 | purl | ~pong |
| 23:04.24 | flexd_ | Hmmm.. is there a easy way of selling anything soulbound and plate when i talk to a vendor ? |
| 23:04.30 | flexd_ | I'm a druid, i don't need that crap :D |
| 23:04.47 | flexd_ | unless its above a certain level of awesomeness |
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| 23:05.51 | xDD | flexd_ I guess you could if you had a table of itemIds -> armor types |
| 23:12.55 | Maldivia | flexd_: if select(7, GetItemInfo(itemId)) == "Plate" then SellTheCrap() end ? |
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| 23:13.10 | flexd_ | I guess that would work |
| 23:14.07 | flexd_ | Damn, having a flying mount is NICE! |
| 23:14.12 | flexd_ | Just bought cold weather flying |
| 23:14.15 | flexd_ | Never used a flying mount before :< |
| 23:27.40 | flexd_ | Maldivia: Where in the pil can i read about select() ? |
| 23:27.54 | nevcairiel | !api select |
| 23:27.55 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'select' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-select |
| 23:27.58 | nevcairiel | there |
| 23:28.38 | flexd_ | aha |
| 23:28.56 | flexd_ | well, i kind of understood what it did anyway heh, i was just thinking it was mentioned in more detail |
| 23:29.13 | nevcairiel | the online version of pil is still 5.0 |
| 23:30.15 | nevcairiel | which i think didnt have select yet |
| 23:30.49 | flexd_ | cant find it no |
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| 23:59.54 | cloudwolf | So.... how is everyone? |
