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| 00:01.13 | Morkesh | god this nasal spray is uncomfortable :S |
| 00:01.26 | Cloudwolf | your putting a thing in your nose |
| 00:01.31 | Morkesh | doctors orders |
| 00:01.32 | Cloudwolf | and then putting liquied into your sinuses |
| 00:01.36 | Cloudwolf | of course its uncomfortable |
| 00:01.39 | Morkesh | haha :P |
| 00:01.55 | Morkesh | well durr -.- |
| 00:01.58 | Cloudwolf | sinus infection? |
| 00:02.36 | Morkesh | narh, no idea what it is :/ |
| 00:02.51 | Morkesh | since january i've been bothered by mucus buildup in my throat |
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| 00:03.25 | Morkesh | but i got into a verbal fight with my doctor in january due to anxiety so i've not really been comfortable contact him until now |
| 00:04.04 | Cloudwolf | sorry to hear on both accounts |
| 00:04.30 | Morkesh | arh well :) anxiety is somewhat under control now, just need to get this throat business cleared and i'm good :) |
| 00:05.00 | Cloudwolf | i just gota get my knee better :D |
| 00:05.49 | Dagmar | You could always make things go a little faster by adding some tobasco |
| 00:06.18 | Cloudwolf | LOL dagmar a nasal spray with tobasco as an additive that would hurt |
| 00:06.22 | Dagmar | A bit like curing constipation with a half stick of dynamite tho |
| 00:06.23 | Cloudwolf | but may clear it up in seconds heh |
| 00:06.44 | Dagmar | Trust me, if you were plagued with chronic sinusitis, you'd not think the tobasco is that bad of an idea |
| 00:06.47 | Dagmar | It *does* work |
| 00:06.59 | Dagmar | As to the discomfort, at least it's over with quickly. |
| 00:07.29 | Morkesh | haha, oh! will look into that |
| 00:07.40 | Morkesh | if for nothing else, chili should be fairly healthy in general |
| 00:07.58 | Dagmar | Yeah I was heating a spoonful of tobasco and water and sniffing the fumes, which was working, and then I got careless and got a snootful |
| 00:08.08 | Cloudwolf | Some days i ahte spicy food others i love it its annoying lol AGH IT burns yay my sinuses are completley clear! |
| 00:08.25 | Dagmar | After I stopped burbling "omgomgomg" into a fistful of papertowels... things were a LOT better |
| 00:09.29 | Cloudwolf | I have never heard the word burble nor have i heard of it used to talk about talking in a smothered voice lol |
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| 00:10.34 | Dagmar | I consider it a fair trade. The headache had been kicking my ass for about three days running at that point |
| 00:11.02 | Dagmar | 'bout five minutes (years) of having my face melt off and all better |
| 00:12.15 | Morkesh | haha |
| 00:12.25 | Cloudwolf | http://notalwaysright.com/early-bird-brained/5520 |
| 00:12.29 | Cloudwolf | no freaking way? what? |
| 00:12.36 | Morkesh | well, it's worse in the morning, doubt i could sniff a spoonful of tabasco for breakfast though |
| 00:12.39 | Cloudwolf | OK i should stop linking those XD im just killing time |
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| 00:13.02 | Cloudwolf | and now i have to kill time till monday :P |
| 00:13.07 | Morkesh | one mans wasted time is another mans well spent time :p keep linking |
| 00:13.17 | Cide- | that's what is commonly known as a fake submission, Cloudwolf |
| 00:13.23 | Cloudwolf | Cide i would expect so |
| 00:13.25 | Dashkal | Twitter chat started |
| 00:13.28 | Cloudwolf | i don't think some ones that stupid but its still heh |
| 00:13.33 | Dagmar | (unless it was Humbolt County, CA) |
| 00:13.36 | Cloudwolf | i don't have a twitter account no chat for me D: |
| 00:13.49 | Cloudwolf | Dashkal whats the subject? |
| 00:14.02 | Cide- | gotta love the 500 hour msvc install yet again |
| 00:14.09 | cog|away | Ice cream, Molotov Pinaple & TapatÃo energy drink, Mike's mango hard punch and a bottle of tequila.... dinner of champions! |
| 00:14.24 | Dashkal | Class/talents/mastery |
| 00:14.28 | Cide- | I hate having 3 computers all running windows 7 beta and having to reinstall msvc on all 3 after updating to release |
| 00:14.36 | Cide- | and then having to reinstall msvc again because THAT beta expires |
| 00:14.46 | tardmrr | Anyone play an affliction warlock? |
| 00:14.51 | Dashkal | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26137024331 |
| 00:14.55 | Cide- | no but I do play sc2 ^_^ |
| 00:15.05 | Morkesh | tardmrr: my gf does :p |
| 00:15.16 | tardmrr | I'm curious how the talent Soul Siphon works |
| 00:15.56 | tardmrr | "Increases the amount drained by your Drain Life and Drain Soul spells by an additional 6% for each of your Affliction effects on the target, up to a maximum of 9% additional effect." |
| 00:15.58 | cogwheel | it's an instant cast [dh]ot |
| 00:15.59 | cogwheel | iirc |
| 00:16.06 | cogwheel | oh... i was thinking of drain soul |
| 00:16.19 | cogwheel | no i wasn't |
| 00:16.26 | Cloudwolf | Dashkal im curuious i'm not sure if you are too but would you be willing to ask them how they expect the 31 point talent trees/ materies to affect northrend raids for those who don't actualy upgrade to cata? |
| 00:16.29 | tardmrr | so if I put 2 dots |
| 00:16.31 | cogwheel | i'm very confused... /me drinks his energy drink |
| 00:16.32 | tardmrr | and then drain life |
| 00:16.37 | tardmrr | does that count as 3 effects? |
| 00:16.48 | Dagmar | Just two afaik |
| 00:16.48 | Cide- | does it matter? :P |
| 00:16.52 | cogwheel | tardmrr: ignore me... sry. |
| 00:16.53 | tardmrr | well |
| 00:16.54 | Cide- | +6% per dot |
| 00:16.56 | Cide- | 9% max |
| 00:17.02 | tardmrr | er |
| 00:17.03 | tardmrr | 18% max |
| 00:17.05 | tardmrr | I copied wrong |
| 00:17.06 | Cide- | oh |
| 00:17.09 | Cide- | you linked the 1/2 then |
| 00:17.20 | tardmrr | I mixed the two actually |
| 00:17.40 | Dagmar | Once you've plonked down three dots and laid in with drain soul, you may or may not see a normal mob survive the next four seconds. |
| 00:17.44 | Dashkal | Cloudwolf: I don't have twitter |
| 00:17.47 | Cide- | I would expect it's only 2 in any case |
| 00:17.50 | Dagmar | It hits HARD with a stack of dots backing it up |
| 00:17.53 | Cide- | but who knows |
| 00:17.55 | Cloudwolf | aww k |
| 00:17.56 | Dashkal | Sign up and tweet @warcraft |
| 00:17.57 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 00:18.05 | Cloudwolf | meh im not intersted in twitter enough to care :P |
| 00:18.11 | Cide- | why, Dashkal? |
| 00:18.12 | Cloudwolf | ill just follow other peoples posts |
| 00:18.37 | Morkesh | tardmrr: i'd have her check but x-factor seems more important to her right now -.- |
| 00:19.23 | Dashkal | Cide-: huh? You'd do so if you wanted to ask a question. Otherwise don't? |
| 00:19.51 | Cide- | I was asking why I would tweet @warcraft |
| 00:20.03 | Cide- | I wasn't implying anything |
| 00:20.06 | Cloudwolf | ... you have to "train" into masteries? |
| 00:20.09 | Cide- | merely asking what you're talking about |
| 00:20.15 | Cloudwolf | like yo have to literaly go to a trainer and train into masteries... |
| 00:20.23 | Iriel | Cloudwolf: er, no |
| 00:20.29 | Cide- | [[The GPL "is like a usability bug for free software"]] |
| 00:20.30 | Iriel | Cloudwolf: you pick one beforeyou pick your first talent point |
| 00:20.32 | Cide- | funny |
| 00:20.36 | Cloudwolf | A. The mastery bonuses will be trainable passive bonuses somewhere around level 75. |
| 00:20.40 | Dagmar | Which class gets Yuda I wonder |
| 00:20.52 | Iriel | Oh, I see, the bonus maybe |
| 00:21.03 | Cide- | masteries are a talent spec-specific bonus that is accessible through a stat on items |
| 00:21.15 | Cide- | but there is no such stat until 75+ items, so there's no point in having access to it earlier |
| 00:21.30 | Cide- | so you're not missing out |
| 00:22.15 | Dashkal | Codayus: Ahh. Context is that blizzard is doing their developer chat right now. Ask questions via twitter |
| 00:22.16 | Cloudwolf | the wording says trainable. which makes me curuious |
| 00:22.20 | Dashkal | oops, wrong c |
| 00:22.22 | Cloudwolf | also there is a baseline potency with 0 master rating |
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| 00:22.42 | Cide- | that's just when they introduce the concept |
| 00:22.47 | Cide- | it was tangled in together with talent trees before |
| 00:22.52 | Cide- | it no longer is |
| 00:23.39 | Cide- | good god |
| 00:23.52 | Cide- | I really need to figure out how to include boost python in my dll |
| 00:23.56 | Cide- | this is ridiculous |
| 00:24.07 | Cloudwolf | Q. Will mages get pets for Arcane and Fire specializations at any time?A. No. |
| 00:24.15 | Cloudwolf | lol |
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| 00:31.35 | cogwheel | will have Crysis in 45 minutes, give or take ~100KB/s |
| 00:31.56 | Cide- | welcome to years ago cogwheel |
| 00:32.02 | cogwheel | I NO RITE? |
| 00:32.17 | cogwheel | i'm the embodiment of that xkcd comic i can never seem to google... |
| 00:32.21 | |Jelly| | I liked the game. |
| 00:33.22 | cogwheel | it's been over a year since i bought a pc game... unless you count wow sub. |
| 00:33.36 | |Jelly| | I do |
| 00:33.41 | |Jelly| | I count it! |
| 00:33.42 | |Jelly| | SO THERE! |
| 00:33.53 | cogwheel | (emphasis on "over a year" not "bought") <.< |
| 00:34.03 | Cide- | sure. |
| 00:35.24 | |Jelly| | BTW Cog .. it was funny the other day, I had someone berate me because I didn't stop instantly and pick up after my dog. (Note: I always have a bag in my pocket but I was praising him for going outside instead of on the carpet first) |
| 00:35.41 | cogwheel | -_- |
| 00:35.46 | Cide- | owned |
| 00:35.59 | |Jelly| | I was like "who in the fuck are you?" |
| 00:36.06 | |Jelly| | Which of course lead to more qq on her part. |
| 00:36.54 | |Jelly| | Anywho. I just got your FB message so it made me think of it. |
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| 00:39.32 | Dagmar | |Jelly|: And you standing there with poo handy |
| 00:39.38 | Dagmar | Gotta be _quicker_, man. |
| 00:39.42 | |Jelly| | roflmao |
| 00:44.22 | Cloudwolf | LOL |
| 00:44.24 | Cloudwolf | Q: Are there any plans to add Ghostcrawler in-game as a critter or elite crab? |
| 00:44.26 | Cloudwolf | A. Ghostcrawler would be very emo were he to gaze down from his Throne of Lies and behold the mass crustacean slaughter that would result in having more manifestations of his persona in the game. |
| 00:46.01 | cogwheel | Shirik__: bool myBool = new bool(false); // myBool now equals 'true' |
| 00:46.33 | Cide- | huh? |
| 00:46.45 | cogwheel | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3269478/what-is-bool-in-c |
| 00:47.09 | cogwheel | 5th comment on the question |
| 00:47.16 | cogwheel | no, 6th |
| 00:47.35 | Cide- | // uhh, dereferencing anyone? |
| 00:47.43 | Cide- | fail? |
| 00:47.46 | cogwheel | indeed |
| 00:47.53 | cogwheel | lern2reference |
| 00:47.57 | Cide- | ^ |
| 00:48.09 | Cide- | was just making sure I wasn't missing anything stupid |
| 00:48.15 | Cide- | since I do infact fail at c++ |
| 00:48.19 | cogwheel | too many people think reference is synonymous with const * |
| 00:48.27 | Cide- | I liked |
| 00:48.28 | Cide- | Are you simply failing to understand the concept of a C++ reference? |
| 00:48.42 | Cide- | not vile enough though |
| 00:48.52 | cogwheel | SO doesn't take kindly to vileness... |
| 00:48.53 | Cide- | "Are you simply failing to understand the concept of basic C++?" would have been better |
| 00:48.59 | Cide- | who cares |
| 00:49.02 | Cide- | it'd be funnier |
| 00:49.14 | cogwheel | it would. you would see some funny responses. do it. |
| 00:49.17 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 00:49.29 | Cide- | cba to sign in! |
| 00:49.43 | cogwheel | l2openid+cookies! zomgprivacy! |
| 00:50.44 | Cide- | didn't you see the recently disclosed security vulnerability of openid? :P |
| 00:50.49 | Cide- | well it's not recent I suppose |
| 00:50.53 | Cide- | a few months |
| 00:51.01 | cogwheel | meh. i did it for the convenience not the security |
| 00:52.46 | cogwheel | oh and i forgot the sarcasm tags on zomgprivacy! |
| 00:52.48 | cogwheel | -_- |
| 00:53.09 | Niv | a couple of days playing with beta, and I miss addons more than ever |
| 00:53.28 | Niv | I wonder if they'll actually make sigificant changes to the UI based on feedback at this point |
| 00:53.46 | cogwheel | they should... |
| 00:53.51 | Niv | I agree |
| 00:53.55 | Cloudwolf | niv what gripes with the default ui do you have? |
| 00:53.56 | Niv | but it's not the first time it has come up |
| 00:54.04 | Niv | Cloudwolf: information is far too spread out |
| 00:54.06 | Cloudwolf | i havn't played beta so i don't know the ui but i like hearinga bout it |
| 00:54.12 | cogwheel | if they fixed all the really important shit, they could open an addon store and not worry about addons being an unfair advantage |
| 00:54.20 | Niv | it's really not new UI elements that are the problem |
| 00:54.31 | Niv | it's the standard UI that has been around since classic that's still weak |
| 00:55.30 | Niv | the fact that I have to look to the upper left to monitor my health, then upper right to see my buffs/debuffs, then try to find the one I care about, then look back at my character model to try and see if I'm standing in something that may or may not be expected.... it's just silly |
| 00:55.35 | Morkesh | how so? it furfills it's job |
| 00:55.49 | cogwheel | Morkesh: tell that to healers |
| 00:55.56 | Niv | it's very lacking for healers |
| 00:55.59 | Morkesh | well |
| 00:56.04 | Niv | the compact party frames are a step in the right direction |
| 00:56.05 | Morkesh | grid is a must have |
| 00:56.09 | Niv | but also I find it underwhelming as at ank |
| 00:56.12 | Niv | a tank* |
| 00:56.18 | Morkesh | but in terms of solo play while levelling, it does what it should |
| 00:56.23 | cogwheel | Morkesh: there are lots of "must haves" for reasonable definitions of "must" |
| 00:56.24 | Niv | did you miss the part where we CAN'T USE ADDONs? |
| 00:56.25 | Niv | ;P |
| 00:56.38 | cogwheel | and with appropriate context |
| 00:56.39 | Morkesh | hehe narh |
| 00:56.41 | Niv | solo play is not all of the leveling experience |
| 00:56.53 | Morkesh | but then again, i don't intend to heal on beta :P |
| 00:56.53 | Niv | 5man groups and quests are very much a part of it |
| 00:57.04 | cogwheel | Morkesh: vast majority of players are 80 imo |
| 00:57.23 | Niv | just allowing UI elements to be movable would go such a long way |
| 00:57.44 | Niv | the new compact party frames are, which is nice |
| 00:57.48 | Niv | but they don't show your own health.... |
| 00:58.01 | Morkesh | then again, vast majority of players use addons :P but yeah i get your point, i think part of the reason why they don't change it is the fact that there's a thousand addons to do it |
| 00:58.19 | cogwheel | yep |
| 00:58.47 | Niv | yet if they evolve their encounters to expect those UI elements |
| 00:58.54 | Niv | they need to provide a sane default UI that can handle it |
| 00:59.11 | Niv | there's enough going on in the two 5mans that are open now, that it's really lacking |
| 00:59.28 | Niv | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.30 | Niv | later |
| 00:59.38 | cogwheel | l8r |
| 01:01.31 | Dagmar | Wow. |
| 01:01.39 | Dagmar | We missed a bullet with the forum changes |
| 01:01.40 | Dagmar | http://gawker.com/5589103/how-the-internet-beat-up-an-11%20year%20old-girl?skyline=true&s=i |
| 01:01.54 | Cloudwolf | wait waht? holy power? |
| 01:02.00 | Cloudwolf | is that repalcing paladins mana or is it tagged on top? |
| 01:06.26 | Cloudwolf | heh aparently atm feral dps can also tank fairly well |
| 01:06.40 | Morkesh | as can they on live Cloudwolf? :P |
| 01:06.54 | Cloudwolf | Yes but no :D |
| 01:07.12 | Morkesh | they can easily do heroics and alot of the 10man content |
| 01:07.24 | Cloudwolf | hmm k i havn't payed close enough attention |
| 01:07.37 | Cloudwolf | i say druids get 4 specs OH NOES A CLASS with 4 specs... 1 boomkin 1dps 1 tank 1 heal |
| 01:07.44 | Morkesh | haha :P |
| 01:07.52 | Cloudwolf | fixes the problem XD |
| 01:08.14 | Morkesh | well, i've just had alot of suicidal druid friends who likes the challenge of staying alive in dps spec or tank spec with full dps gear etc. |
| 01:09.59 | Cloudwolf | its still funny my 10 man icc prog raid has a an almost 100k hp bear tank full buffed >.> |
| 01:10.04 | Cloudwolf | thank you icc 25% more hp buff |
| 01:10.09 | Morkesh | haha :P |
| 01:10.27 | Morkesh | my former guild (a pretty hardcore one) had sindra hm on farm for quite a while |
| 01:10.41 | Morkesh | then they upped the buff and suddenly we'd wipe to dps killing tombs by accident QQ |
| 01:10.54 | Cloudwolf | This guild isn't even hard core i think im only aware of a 10 man icc prog raid but eather way they got some good members |
| 01:11.00 | cogwheel | Someone just posted a picture of themselves on the golden gate bridge with the caption "I'm on a bridge." I thought of Old Spice -_- |
| 01:11.02 | Cloudwolf | most of them actualy have a 25 man too that htey do heh |
| 01:11.17 | Cloudwolf | atleast you didn't think of lonly island cogwheel |
| 01:11.49 | cogwheel | 3m33s to Crysis! |
| 01:12.29 | Cloudwolf | my computer would crap itself if it tried to play crysis |
| 01:13.01 | CircusAct | Dagmar, I have no doubt there will be similar incidents stemming from missuse of realid. |
| 01:13.14 | cogwheel | it chooses "High" for me. I was hoping this <1year old video card would go very |
| 01:13.22 | cogwheel | s/very/Very High/ |
| 01:13.23 | Cloudwolf | cogwheel |
| 01:13.32 | Cloudwolf | im on atleast a 3 year old rigg |
| 01:13.35 | Cloudwolf | with no upgrades |
| 01:13.43 | Cloudwolf | and the rigg was lower end of medium line when i got it |
| 01:14.01 | Cloudwolf | I have fps issues in icc at times and i defenantly have fps issues in tf2 |
| 01:14.14 | cogwheel | mine's a core2duo e8500 (3.2ghz iirc) |
| 01:14.24 | cogwheel | oh wow is awful for framerates |
| 01:14.39 | cogwheel | i get > 100 at max settings in HL2 |
| 01:14.42 | cogwheel | and like 40 in wow |
| 01:15.03 | Cloudwolf | tf2 i go from 20 to 40 depending on how much is going on |
| 01:15.14 | Cloudwolf | doens't help when i play on an all crit server which means every death involving an explosion is gibbed to all hell |
| 01:15.26 | Cloudwolf | wow is around 43 fps |
| 01:15.33 | Cloudwolf | until a lot of stuff goes on |
| 01:15.35 | Cloudwolf | then its 20 |
| 01:15.37 | cogwheel | I get ~30 in Crysis at 1920x1200, 2xAA, and all settings on High. it drops to about 25 on very |
| 01:15.52 | cogwheel | (the demo anyway) |
| 01:16.02 | cogwheel | it doesn't feel 30 though |
| 01:16.05 | cogwheel | i think it does motion blur |
| 01:16.11 | Cloudwolf | cog im using an nvidia 7600 gs (i think) and an intel 2.3 dual core i think let me go look this up |
| 01:16.17 | Cloudwolf | i hate motion blur |
| 01:16.20 | Cloudwolf | most annoying effect |
| 01:16.23 | Cloudwolf | and most frame raping effect |
| 01:16.36 | cogwheel | if it's done right, that's the point |
| 01:16.56 | cogwheel | frame rate is particularly noticeable in games because there is none |
| 01:17.02 | cogwheel | movies are 24fps |
| 01:17.11 | cogwheel | and "feel" smoother than games at 60 |
| 01:17.25 | cogwheel | (well depending on the cinematography) |
| 01:17.25 | Cloudwolf | nvidia 7600 gs , intel dual core 2.13ghz @ 6400 and 2 gb of ram lol |
| 01:17.39 | Dagmar | Might be time to get a new card |
| 01:18.04 | Cloudwolf | if i get a new card i need a new powersupply |
| 01:18.04 | cogwheel | yeah... i just dug out an old 7900gs to replace the 8800gts that i handed down to my sister when i got my new card -_- |
| 01:18.10 | cogwheel | (the 8800 burned out) |
| 01:18.24 | Dagmar | cogwheel: In theory mine will do that, but it hasn't yet |
| 01:18.41 | Cloudwolf | i purchase this comp with a 5 year warrenty |
| 01:18.45 | Cloudwolf | still got abou 2 years |
| 01:18.48 | Cloudwolf | gonna build the next comp i use |
| 01:18.53 | Cloudwolf | don't want to void the warrenty to upgrade |
| 01:18.56 | Dagmar | I would rather like to at least find an nVidia supplied firmware for those, becuse my gf's card somehow got a slightly older firmware flashed to it some time ago |
| 01:19.00 | Cloudwolf | and heres my predicament |
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| 01:19.11 | Cloudwolf | i want to go to atleast a 9000 series if i get a new gcard |
| 01:19.15 | Cloudwolf | that requries a new power supply |
| 01:19.25 | Dagmar | You'll want to go higher than that I think |
| 01:19.27 | Cloudwolf | if i want to take full use of the 9000 and higher seirtes |
| 01:19.36 | Cloudwolf | i need a new motherboard with faster pci e ports |
| 01:19.44 | Dagmar | ...just because the costs will still be negligble until you start looking at 4xx cards |
| 01:19.45 | Cloudwolf | if i do that why not just get a new procesor too... |
| 01:20.04 | Cloudwolf | basically to upgrade this computer is looking at just building a new computer |
| 01:20.10 | Dagmar | You'll be disgusted at how cheap it all is now |
| 01:20.17 | Cloudwolf | and saving maybe 200 for a cd drive wifi card and case |
| 01:20.24 | cogwheel | Cloudwolf: fwiw, over your lifetime, buying extended warranties doesn't pay off (unless you have a statistically significant penchant for breaking shit) |
| 01:20.40 | Cloudwolf | Cogwheel the reason was this isn't my computer per say |
| 01:20.42 | Cloudwolf | family computer |
| 01:20.47 | Dagmar | For gaming machines, three years is about all they're good for because you're likely to be replacing the thing then (and overdue for it) |
| 01:20.55 | Cloudwolf | However i'm the one using it 90% of hte time |
| 01:20.57 | cogwheel | I would call that a statistically significant penchant for breakings shit |
| 01:21.04 | cogwheel | s/s shit/ shit/ |
| 01:21.49 | Dagmar | You can get quad core CPUs for about what that one cost you new |
| 01:21.52 | Cloudwolf | just a tip make sure your heat sinc is on completely |
| 01:21.54 | Cloudwolf | sync even |
| 01:21.59 | Dagmar | *sink* |
| 01:22.07 | Cloudwolf | blah lol |
| 01:22.09 | Dagmar | ...and don't be like Dell. |
| 01:22.22 | Cloudwolf | what did dell do also i don't plan on ever buying from dell if i can help it |
| 01:22.27 | cogwheel | oh speaking of which... i forgot to get canned air and my sister's cpu fan is clogged... |
| 01:22.35 | Dagmar | Arctic silver is meant to fill in the tiny gaps--it's NOT meant to hold the goddamn heat sink onto the CPU. |
| 01:22.37 | cogwheel | *grumble* |
| 01:22.52 | Dagmar | If you can almost see through it, you've got just enough. |
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| 01:23.18 | Cloudwolf | I've heard you can get a scuba tank filled for diving and use that for compressed air |
| 01:23.25 | cogwheel | Dagmar: i go by the photo in the instruction manual |
| 01:23.28 | Cloudwolf | because the quality of scuba air requirets there to be basically 0 moisture |
| 01:23.44 | Dagmar | We had about 30 Optiplexes eat it here as their leases came up because the idiots at Dell just *slathered* heat sink compound on there. It eventually dried out, *cracked* and then the CPUs started cooking. |
| 01:24.03 | cogwheel | My old AMD cpu used thermal film rather than grease |
| 01:24.08 | Dagmar | We're talking a coating of compound almost 2mm thick |
| 01:24.21 | cogwheel | When i switched motherboards i went online to try and find the film/tape |
| 01:24.36 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: did dell try and say it wasnt their fault? |
| 01:24.38 | Dagmar | Yeah I've never seen it sold on it's own |
| 01:24.48 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: What did we care? The machines were leased. |
| 01:24.51 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 01:24.52 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 01:25.01 | cogwheel | couldn't find it anywhere. So i looked up the manufacturers listed in the AMD literature, and they sent me samples |
| 01:25.14 | cogwheel | free shit =) |
| 01:25.18 | Dagmar | That's gotta be handy to have some of those around |
| 01:25.35 | Dagmar | Arctic Silver is messy, but unless you are doing a lot of work, one tube is almost a lifetime supply |
| 01:26.47 | Dagmar | I'm not sure if they're still doing it, but when I got the 4850e the HSF already had a pre-measured amount of compound neatly applied to the underside |
| 01:27.11 | Dagmar | Considering the number of CPUs that die because people use too much of it, I half-expected they |
| 01:27.19 | Dagmar | d do something like that or just start sending out film |
| 01:27.41 | Dagmar | They pretty much ran away from that Thunderbird design that was allowing people to break their shiny new CPU in mere seconds |
| 01:28.31 | Dagmar | A lot of the HSFs had a raised ring on the underside that was supposed to go *aroudn* the core and act as strain relief. |
| 01:28.38 | cogwheel | Well, the film is actually designed to dry out. It melts the first couple times you use it, but the heat bakes it. |
| 01:28.53 | Dagmar | Mount the HSF backwards and that ring would overlap two corners by about a millimeter, and generally crush them off. |
| 01:28.54 | cogwheel | it's designed that way, and that's why they were so specific about it |
| 01:29.14 | Dagmar | Instantly ruined CPU from microfractures |
| 01:30.05 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Cool. I didn't know it woudl melt. I only saw about 8-9 CPUs with that |
| 01:30.28 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: my i7 920 came with a HSF with thermal compound already on it, but i didnt use that HSF |
| 01:30.53 | Cloudwolf | So you guys sound more knowledgeable than I how much should i expect to spend for a decent computer? |
| 01:30.56 | cogwheel | i think it was an amd athlon 3000+ or something around there (2.8ghz?) |
| 01:31.05 | Cloudwolf | when i mean decent i mean i shouldn't have to upgrade fro 3 years lol |
| 01:31.06 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: For playing WoW, under $500 or so easily |
| 01:31.13 | Cloudwolf | I plan on other stuff |
| 01:31.34 | |Jelly| | $1k will build a pretty good computer, in that case |
| 01:31.34 | Cloudwolf | Personally i play a lot of stuff. Atm mostly tf2 and wow and some sc2 beta |
| 01:31.46 | Dagmar | Just the same, there's sort of constants involved in pricing when you're not being crazy and trying to get "cutting edge" gear |
| 01:31.47 | Cloudwolf | all of which my pc sucks at heh |
| 01:31.51 | Arrowmaster | the zalman HSF i used came with thermal compound that was really watery, it actually came in a nail polish like container with a brush attached to the cap |
| 01:32.10 | Cloudwolf | newegg i compiled a list of shit that looked good to me (no id idn't do price searching) but that came to around 1500 |
| 01:32.27 | Arrowmaster | my last order from newegg was for over $3000 |
| 01:32.37 | Dagmar | About $75 for a motherboard, same for CPU. maybe $150 for RAM (high side), you proibably already have a case, $65-90 for the PSU, maybe $150 for the video card |
| 01:32.38 | Cloudwolf | the hell did you buy arrowmaster? |
| 01:32.51 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: He was aiming for four years I'll bet. |
| 01:33.19 | Arrowmaster | i bought 16 harddrives |
| 01:33.26 | Dagmar | Remember that Moore's Law thing... It applies |
| 01:33.29 | Cloudwolf | Doesn't help that i don't have a job. However i refuse to work at a fastfood joint if i can help it.(17 year old high school student) |
| 01:33.49 | Cloudwolf | how big was each drive? |
| 01:33.49 | Dagmar | If you want it to last four years, you will *easily* be spending a mint |
| 01:34.01 | cogwheel | Dagmar: i don't think that's moore's law... there's something else similar that I think you're referring to but it escapes me... |
| 01:34.07 | Arrowmaster | dont have a job either and i also refuse to work fastfood or retail or any of that other crap (24 year old college graduate) |
| 01:34.29 | Cloudwolf | Q. What are you planning for Doomguard and Infernal? That Demonology talent is quite... strange.A. Look now, they are now⦠Diamonds. I mean, guardians. The Doomguard does strong ranged damage and the Infernal is good for area-of-effect damage. They're shared cooldowns, so it's your choice which you want to use. 10-minute cooldown. No more stones or figurines! |
| 01:34.32 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 01:34.33 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Pretty sure it's Moore's law that says tech will double every two years |
| 01:34.39 | cogwheel | Dagmar: along the lines of planned obsolescence |
| 01:34.44 | Dagmar | You can work the numbers in reverse just as easily |
| 01:35.02 | cogwheel | iirc moore's law is specifically about transistor density |
| 01:35.02 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: no it says transistor count will double |
| 01:35.22 | Arrowmaster | its bastardized into being processing speed all the time though |
| 01:35.22 | Dagmar | Unless you buy something from Foxxcon or DFI or Jetway, the gear will generally last until you're sick of looking at it |
| 01:35.38 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It's still held true for pricing for a long time now |
| 01:35.50 | Arrowmaster | i bought a $399 Asus motherboard, it better fucking last forever |
| 01:36.17 | Dagmar | Yeesh I hope so |
| 01:36.45 | Arrowmaster | but ive got 4x 16xPCIe if i want to use them |
| 01:36.57 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: So long as we've at least two chip makers not colluding, their pricing and performance will generally follow Moore's law |
| 01:37.07 | Dagmar | Disks long ago left it in the dust |
| 01:38.39 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: So, if you get a small fusion generator you can run four 465's |
| 01:38.39 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: Thoughts on the Samsung Galaxy S? |
| 01:39.13 | Antiarc | My wife needs a smartphone, and we're on T-Mobile, so we're looking at either a second N1, or a Galaxy S for her. |
| 01:39.52 | Cloudwolf | *cough virzon cough* >.> i don't have a smart phone so sorry can't help ya |
| 01:40.03 | Thunder_Child | i need a new phone as well, and i'm on t-mobile. |
| 01:40.10 | Thunder_Child | browses |
| 01:40.11 | Antiarc | Unlimited data and tethering with Froyo on T-Mobile, soooo. |
| 01:40.27 | Antiarc | Well, Google's going to stop selling the N1 through their website when their current stock runs out |
| 01:40.28 | Dagmar | I'll wait and see if the FTC or FCC feel like cornholing some company to loosen that market up before I buy agai |
| 01:40.33 | Antiarc | Though it'll still be available to devs |
| 01:40.46 | Antiarc | The N1 is a sexy piece of hardware, but the Galaxy S has more horsepower. |
| 01:41.01 | Antiarc | Cons for the S: 1) No Froyo yet. 2) No LED flash. 3) No notification light. |
| 01:41.20 | Hjalte | And no trackball |
| 01:41.27 | Antiarc | Cons for the N1: 1) Underpowered GPU, 2) internal memory is weak at 512mb. |
| 01:41.31 | Thunder_Child | no LED flash is not a con as it is not a camera |
| 01:41.45 | Antiarc | LED flash makes for a killer flashlight :P |
| 01:41.58 | Antiarc | And my wife would be using her phone to take pictures/video. The stuff on the N1 is pretty decent, actually. |
| 01:42.01 | Thunder_Child | then take a flashlight |
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| 01:42.59 | Thunder_Child | i really want to try the HD2 |
| 01:43.17 | Satisfyme | damn, this is the second night I can't sleep :S |
| 01:43.20 | Dagmar | How hte hell do you expect to discretely take pictures with an LED flashing around |
| 01:43.35 | Hjalte | Thunder_Child: Windows Mobile? |
| 01:44.08 | Thunder_Child | Hjalte: well the hardware is sexy |
| 01:44.19 | Thunder_Child | software can always be....err....adjusted |
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| 01:46.16 | cogwheel | wat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R09VIWAs-M (NSFW) |
| 01:46.30 | Hjalte | The Galaxy S seems like a nice phone. In Europe it'll probably be the most powerful time for some time. |
| 01:46.59 | Cloudwolf | my dad doesn't seem to understand the concept of putting the laptop in standby mode... |
| 01:48.00 | Arrowmaster | Cloudwolf: have it do it automatically |
| 01:48.13 | Cloudwolf | i think he manually shuts it down |
| 01:48.16 | Cloudwolf | start shut down |
| 01:48.23 | Cloudwolf | instead of just closing the lid like a normal person :D |
| 01:49.13 | Dagmar | Your dad may be remembering laptops that weren't all that bright |
| 01:49.46 | Cloudwolf | I don't know. Its slightly annoying but what ever im just glad firefox even when closed improperly remembers opened tabs |
| 01:51.26 | Cloudwolf | heh my newegg shopping cart is at 1300 >.> not gonna purchase but its interesting to try and find parts |
| 01:51.58 | cogwheel | wonders why some programs think Opera is the default browser... |
| 01:52.21 | cogwheel | i mean... i could understand IE opening because windows programmers are stupid |
| 01:52.59 | cogwheel | but chrome is my default |
| 01:54.41 | Cloudwolf | firefox default chrome as a back up/youtube watcher |
| 01:54.47 | cogwheel | yeesh... i thought there would be fewer "mandatory" intro screens compared to the demo... |
| 01:54.49 | Cloudwolf | firefox doesn't like videsof or some reason |
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| 01:56.42 | Shirik__ | I'm going down down baby |
| 01:57.44 | cogwheel | wtf... |
| 01:57.48 | Cloudwolf | I honestly wonder if pvp for rogues is gonna go to sub come cataclysm |
| 01:57.50 | cogwheel | i could actually play the demo |
| 01:57.53 | Cloudwolf | because prep is a realy realy helpfull ability |
| 01:58.01 | cogwheel | the game won't go full screen at native res... |
| 01:58.42 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: They're taking out chain stuns |
| 01:59.01 | Cloudwolf | how about chain fears or sheeps |
| 01:59.06 | Cloudwolf | thats what pissess me off |
| 01:59.13 | Cloudwolf | i'm sure people hate stuns too |
| 01:59.15 | foxlit | fears break on damage |
| 01:59.16 | Cloudwolf | but still |
| 01:59.23 | Dagmar | Fear/poly breaks on damage |
| 01:59.29 | Dagmar | Stuns don't. |
| 01:59.30 | foxlit | no, not but still |
| 01:59.58 | Cloudwolf | Then they damn sure better let rogues go toe to toe lol like they keep saying |
| 02:00.05 | foxlit | You can dish out a lot more hurt while stunning your opponent :) |
| 02:00.15 | Cloudwolf | Does that mean blink will no longer break stun? |
| 02:00.25 | Cloudwolf | or are mages still gonna be super annoying to go against |
| 02:00.32 | Dagmar | I'll be feeding my gorilla a steady diet of rogues |
| 02:00.46 | Cloudwolf | Q: Will WoW ever get a new weapon type? A. Tauren will be able to dual-wield gnomes on a stick. LOL |
| 02:00.47 | foxlit | It's not that they're removing stuns |
| 02:00.53 | foxlit | It's just that they'll all be on the same DR. |
| 02:01.42 | foxlit | Blink probably still breaks them; but that cooldown is shorter than your stun :) |
| 02:02.08 | Cloudwolf | 15 seconds to break a stun that has a 20 second cooldown |
| 02:02.28 | Dagmar | 8 seconds to figure out how to run away from the BM hunter. |
| 02:02.45 | Cloudwolf | I still hate mages lol |
| 02:02.51 | Cloudwolf | its ironic cus my other level 80 is a mage |
| 02:03.03 | Cloudwolf | >.> which i still need to gear up and make not suck |
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| 02:03.58 | Shirik__ | so |
| 02:04.13 | Shirik__ | I got IT to finally set up whole drive encryption today |
| 02:04.21 | Shirik__ | I did not realize our IT was so moronic |
| 02:04.22 | Shirik__ | like |
| 02:04.25 | Shirik__ | wow |
| 02:04.36 | Dagmar | Pay them more money. |
| 02:04.42 | Shirik__ | doesn't that just make them stupider? |
| 02:04.58 | Dagmar | That only affects managers that way, not hourly engineers. |
| 02:06.01 | Dagmar | Expecting people to do $200/hour work and paying them $15/hour or less.... HAHAHAH |
| 02:06.02 | Cloudwolf | afk |
| 02:07.38 | Dagmar | Put out an opening for "head IT ninja" at $50/hour and you'll get some freelancers to come in out of the cold for a steady |
| 02:08.07 | Shirik__ | but like |
| 02:08.11 | Shirik__ | I didn't think it was that hard |
| 02:08.15 | Shirik__ | you install software |
| 02:08.17 | Shirik__ | reboot computer |
| 02:08.19 | Shirik__ | hard drive encrypts |
| 02:08.30 | Dagmar | Have they ever done it before? |
| 02:08.34 | Shirik__ | yes |
| 02:08.36 | Niv | IT people work hourly? |
| 02:08.39 | Niv | since when? :P |
| 02:08.45 | Dagmar | Niv: They get paid hourly |
| 02:08.50 | Shirik__ | somehow they not only convinced the computer that it should encrypt the drive and have no logins |
| 02:09.05 | Shirik__ | but they ignored the first 10 warnings about an invalid password and tried an 11th time |
| 02:09.07 | Shirik__ | then a 12th time |
| 02:09.08 | Dagmar | Somehow I don't think they've done that before |
| 02:09.14 | Shirik__ | until it was a 30 minute delay between logins |
| 02:09.22 | Shirik__ | (because it keeps doubling) |
| 02:09.24 | Niv | I worked in IT for 10 years, never hourly |
| 02:10.26 | Shirik__ | fortunately the software we use has this backup "challenge auth" system kinda like microsoft's phone-in activation |
| 02:10.26 | Shirik__ | so we finally got in |
| 02:10.26 | Shirik__ | "oh look your computer has no certificates installed!" |
| 02:10.26 | Shirik__ | ... |
| 02:11.40 | Dagmar | niv: If you were working desktop support or help desk type stuff and were salaried, you messed up |
| 02:11.58 | Niv | that's more customer service than IT |
| 02:12.03 | Dagmar | No, it's IT. |
| 02:12.08 | Niv | heh |
| 02:12.22 | Niv | in that, it gets org'd under IT often, sure |
| 02:12.35 | Dagmar | When you start treating it like customer service is when you start getting people who are *only* capable of following simple instructions and clicking on icons |
| 02:12.36 | Niv | and that's the lowest of the low |
| 02:13.12 | Cide- | anyone up for some sc2? |
| 02:13.16 | Cide- | Shirik__? |
| 02:13.25 | Shirik__ | I'm trying to pack :( |
| 02:13.32 | Cide- | weak |
| 02:13.45 | Cide- | I spent 5 hours getting msvc and building boost python just for you |
| 02:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik__: ! |
| 02:13.51 | Mirrormn | woo level 83! |
| 02:14.04 | Shirik__ | I spent 5 hours fighting with IT |
| 02:14.42 | Cide- | my time is more valuable |
| 02:14.55 | Cide- | ^_^ |
| 02:16.01 | Mirrormn | and the mana cost of my spells increased by 1.5x *again* -.- |
| 02:16.53 | Cide- | why cry? |
| 02:16.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik__: !! |
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| 02:17.05 | Cide- | if it increases by that amount it's obviously balanced around that amount |
| 02:17.23 | Mirrormn | I don't think it's properly balanced |
| 02:17.34 | Cide- | then "it's a beta" applies |
| 02:18.04 | Satisfyme | Lol I think some one from blizzrd got bored :P http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png/2cb4a09a94955130841f44701349dcfe.png |
| 02:18.06 | Mirrormn | well the point of the beta is for me to cry about things that are broken so they can be fixed, essentially |
| 02:18.53 | Cide- | damnit |
| 02:18.58 | Cide- | Shirik__, can you send me the source? |
| 02:19.12 | Cide- | it's compiled for python 2.5 and I don't have it available |
| 02:19.50 | Satisfyme | Cide: did you find a solution to your php gettext? |
| 02:20.01 | Cide- | yes |
| 02:20.15 | Satisfyme | nice :) |
| 02:24.40 | DWSR | hey all. |
| 02:24.43 | DWSR | I had an awful day. |
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| 02:26.27 | kd3 | that sucs |
| 02:26.45 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 02:26.51 | DWSR | Just found out my dad was cheating on my mother. |
| 02:26.55 | DWSR | They've been married 22 years. |
| 02:26.58 | DWSR | FML. |
| 02:27.01 | kd3 | winces |
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| 02:28.32 | orionshock | morning all :) |
| 02:28.36 | DWSR | morning. |
| 02:28.42 | DWSR | Yeah, my mom and I went to the liquor store. |
| 02:28.50 | orionshock | anyone online atm in the Horde / US / PvE Guild ? |
| 02:28.54 | DWSR | We were checking out and the cashier was all like "How was your day"? |
| 02:29.01 | DWSR | My response was "You don't want to know." |
| 02:29.46 | Morkesh | aaaw DWSR, man that's harsh :S sorry to hear! |
| 02:30.12 | DWSR | Shit happens. |
| 02:30.18 | DWSR | It's lucky my family had 2 houses. |
| 02:30.22 | DWSR | Or he'd be dead and I'd be in jail. |
| 02:30.38 | Morkesh | :/ |
| 02:31.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik__: why so bad |
| 02:37.34 | band-aid | Is there anything special I have to do in order to get a button to show up? |
| 02:41.01 | Mirrormn | you have to either assign it some textures or make it inheret from a template |
| 02:42.02 | Dagmar | templates ftw |
| 02:42.10 | Dagmar | reinventing the button is for bishes |
| 02:44.10 | Thunder_Child | whats a bish? |
| 02:48.00 | Dagmar | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bish |
| 02:49.00 | Dagmar | (hadda make sure the query was going to have the response I was looking for) |
| 02:49.11 | Dagmar | (...and not something involving knitting) |
| 02:52.16 | Mirrormn | how do I fish when there's no fishing button in my interface? |
| 02:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.52 | ReAn | Fission Mailed! |
| 02:56.50 | Dagmar | Yeah another thing portable mailboxes are completely bad-ass. |
| 02:56.55 | Dagmar | Mailing fish. |
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| 03:07.43 | Mirrormn | ScytheBlade1: Doesn't work =/ |
| 03:08.53 | Mirrormn | oh |
| 03:09.03 | Mirrormn | apparently there was a whole nother professions tab I didn't notice |
| 03:10.38 | orionshock | Mirrormn, where? |
| 03:10.57 | Mirrormn | under spellbook |
| 03:11.04 | Mirrormn | well, beside spellbook, really |
| 03:11.15 | orionshock | Mirrormn, u on us horde atm as "mirrored" ? |
| 03:11.20 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 03:11.30 | orionshock | lol, |
| 03:11.33 | orionshock | << Aleiah :) |
| 03:11.38 | Mirrormn | >.> |
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| 03:11.50 | Mirrormn | well it's still not working! |
| 03:11.56 | Mirrormn | all I want to do is fish damnit! |
| 03:13.53 | orionshock | Mirrormn, go back to the trainer and relearn fishing |
| 03:14.04 | orionshock | just did that myself & got a button for it :) |
| 03:21.58 | Jamash | professions have a bad habit of unlearning themselves |
| 03:23.36 | kd3 | whee; server restart |
| 03:23.40 | kd3 | let's see what this fixes |
| 03:23.48 | Ressy | I hate having to ignore updates for addons because the author has added in additional junk I don't want/made it stop functioning as well as it did in a previous version. :\ |
| 03:26.33 | orionshock | what addon? |
| 03:29.20 | Mirrormn | heh |
| 03:29.31 | Mirrormn | I tried to learn dual talent specialization again, and it d/c'd me |
| 03:30.29 | Morkesh | time to catch some sleep |
| 03:30.50 | Morkesh | all of a sudden my clock decided that it's 5:30 in denmark :S |
| 03:32.03 | kd3 | wow; something crashed the realm and not just a world server. ick |
| 03:32.45 | Mirrormn | I had almost finished filling out a bug report, too |
| 03:32.47 | Mirrormn | hate that =/ |
| 03:33.27 | Mirrormn | on the plus side, my first episode of Twin Peaks finished downloading |
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| 03:38.27 | kd3 | whistles at li/mekkatorque still being down |
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| 03:55.55 | Zyn | oh boy I can't wait to login to Mekkato- .. oh, wait |
| 03:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf, why do I get 6mbit through my router, but 24 mbit connected directly to my desktop? :/ |
| 04:00.11 | kd3 | your router sucks? |
| 04:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | it can push more than that, though... |
| 04:00.29 | ScytheBlade1 | (I also tried another, same result) |
| 04:01.59 | Dagmar | Could be lots of reasons, but I'm going with "slow connecting equpment" |
| 04:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | sigh. no. |
| 04:02.33 | ScytheBlade1 | TCP tuning issues. |
| 04:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I went stupid and increased my netdev_max_backlog to something stupid like 20k, and got 10mbit |
| 04:03.45 | Dagmar | Okay, "poweruser with the root password" |
| 04:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | pretty much everything is at default though |
| 04:07.21 | Dagmar | eyes you suspiciously |
| 04:07.31 | Dagmar | You're not using a RealTek card are you?> |
| 04:07.42 | Dagmar | They have some jacked up throughput issues |
| 04:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | In the desktop, yes actually -- but that works fine |
| 04:08.06 | ScytheBlade1 | the router is national semiconductor |
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| 04:09.11 | Dagmar | Meh. It could still be something stupid in it's cofig |
| 04:10.05 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastebin.com/m6BALVp5 |
| 04:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | suggestions *more than welcome* |
| 04:10.16 | Dagmar | I've seen throughput go up on some older SGI machines just from me "not knowing any better", throwing their network up scripts into the f**king trash where they belong, and writing some sensible shit that doesn't route every freaking packet through the loopback interface |
| 04:10.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:10.43 | ScytheBlade1 | cpu isn't the issue |
| 04:11.17 | Dagmar | Offhand I'm gonna say to check the MTU |
| 04:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 1500 |
| 04:11.27 | ScytheBlade1 | first thing I checked |
| 04:12.36 | Dagmar | Damn |
| 04:12.50 | Dagmar | Some crazy fragmentation juggling could kill throughput |
| 04:13.03 | ScytheBlade1 | wireshark tells me that isn't the case |
| 04:13.48 | Dagmar | Does wireshark see anything other than "just" data packets? |
| 04:14.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm chain-pulling a 100MB binary file from a server |
| 04:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | 99%+ of the traffic is fine |
| 04:14.29 | ScytheBlade1 | every so often, I get a bunch of dupe packets |
| 04:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | that is it |
| 04:14.44 | Dagmar | Yeah well, it only takes a small amount of backoff packets to ruin your day |
| 04:15.05 | Dagmar | Dupe packets? |
| 04:15.13 | Dagmar | You may well be overworking the router then |
| 04:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | top disagrees |
| 04:15.29 | Dagmar | ...or it's time to shoot it |
| 04:15.34 | ScytheBlade1 | says that 40% of the CPU is idle |
| 04:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I won't disagree instantly, though |
| 04:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | model name : Am5x86-WB |
| 04:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | bogomips : 66.30 |
| 04:15.59 | ScytheBlade1 | flags : fpu |
| 04:16.18 | Dagmar | Nah dude I used to saturate 10b-T with those when they were new |
| 04:16.25 | Dagmar | Maybe not with Samba tho |
| 04:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | 66 bogomips? :p |
| 04:16.47 | Dagmar | WTF is it sayin 66 tho? |
| 04:17.29 | Dagmar | Those are supposed to be 133Mhz chips |
| 04:17.52 | Dagmar | I'm not real sure that hardware is functioning properly anymore. |
| 04:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 100/133 Mhz AMD ElanSC520 |
| 04:17.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://soekris.com/net4521.htm |
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| 04:18.09 | ScytheBlade1 | not a "standard" one |
| 04:18.10 | Dagmar | Oh shit yeah make sure you have the network card on IRQ um... |
| 04:18.18 | Dagmar | scratches his head |
| 04:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.44 | Dagmar | OH it's making things up |
| 04:19.08 | Dagmar | Yeah that would be the IRQ I was trying to remember. I was sitting here scribbling out a list |
| 04:19.09 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 04:19.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:19.37 | Dagmar | So if you're getting dupe packets, there's going to be a reason |
| 04:19.42 | Dagmar | ..and it might damn well be CPU |
| 04:20.02 | Dagmar | You might wnat to diddle the _window size_ |
| 04:20.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Pulling this file down, 70% idle CPU |
| 04:20.12 | Corrodias | until it's nice and tight |
| 04:20.21 | Corrodias | then diddle it some more, oh yeah |
| 04:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, but to what? |
| 04:20.42 | ScytheBlade1 | 24mbit line, say 80ms average rtt |
| 04:20.52 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Yeah but whether or not those packets are getting out of the NIC buffers and through the CPU in a reasonable timeframe is anyone's guess |
| 04:21.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 04:21.14 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Star Trek rules. Double it, then half it. |
| 04:21.16 | Dagmar | :) |
| 04:21.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | meen doing that.. |
| 04:21.30 | ScytheBlade1 | *been |
| 04:21.52 | Dagmar | You have a 24mbit line? |
| 04:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 04:22.03 | Dagmar | That's not likely ehternet |
| 04:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Cable |
| 04:22.16 | Dagmar | Yeah, find out what the MTU size is for that |
| 04:22.21 | ScytheBlade1 | cable modem --> ethernet --> router --> ethernet --> pc |
| 04:22.24 | ScytheBlade1 | 1500 |
| 04:23.15 | Dagmar | I had some other topology in mind. If the router is the bottleneck, then the router is the bottlenet |
| 04:23.20 | Dagmar | er bottleneck. |
| 04:23.28 | ScytheBlade1 | right, agreed |
| 04:23.38 | Dagmar | The cheap stuff tends to be made by people who assume no one has any clue what theoretical max throughput is |
| 04:23.51 | ScytheBlade1 | This isn't exactly cheap stuff, but it is not speedy |
| 04:23.54 | Dagmar | Plus there's that whole "Windows boxes that people have are shit at networking" |
| 04:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | https://www.soekris.com/shop/index.php?cPath=3 |
| 04:24.42 | Dagmar | Out of curiousity, what are those boards costing now? |
| 04:24.46 | Dagmar | Oh |
| 04:24.47 | Dagmar | heh |
| 04:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I just linked it |
| 04:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:24.58 | Dagmar | Damn $170 is a bit much |
| 04:25.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I paid a lot more several years back |
| 04:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It may be, but |
| 04:25.09 | Cloudwolf | if any one has a decent amount of spare time and is computer building savvy could i bother them for a bit of their time? >.> we would prolly want to chat in private because there would be a lot of links heh... |
| 04:25.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It also runs on under 5W of juice |
| 04:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | and is entirely fanless/no moving parts |
| 04:25.29 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Okay, n270 can't really beat that |
| 04:25.48 | ScytheBlade1 | er? |
| 04:25.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 04:25.54 | ScytheBlade1 | atom |
| 04:25.54 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: You should prolly just ask. Most of this stuff can be boiled down |
| 04:25.54 | ScytheBlade1 | right |
| 04:26.13 | Cloudwolf | dagmar it would be a lot of links im more looking for osme one to verify that a parts list would be compatable with eachother |
| 04:26.18 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Yeah ther'es a reason ASUS is going nuts in Taiwan, and that reason is Atom. |
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| 04:26.48 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: If its Intel parts I'm not yer guy |
| 04:26.53 | Ressy | lol. |
| 04:26.57 | ScytheBlade1 | The next gen of the soekris boards will be atom based, but have a custom motherboard. So ~0.2W CPU with a mobo that doesn't suck 30W, but instead, maybe 1/10th of that |
| 04:26.58 | Ressy | I'm up for link spam. :) |
| 04:27.05 | Dagmar | Ressy: I don't have a damn clue about their sockets |
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| 04:27.12 | Cloudwolf | then your not my guy :D cus its nvidia and intel lol |
| 04:27.15 | Dagmar | AMD, on the other hand, has eliminated a lot of the WTF factor |
| 04:27.31 | Ressy | AMD's easier. |
| 04:27.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I wonder if updating the kernel would help here |
| 04:27.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 2.6.18 is not new |
| 04:27.57 | Dagmar | AMD == "AM2+ or AM3? AM3! YAY!" |
| 04:28.08 | Ressy | lol |
| 04:28.09 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Prolly can't hurt |
| 04:28.11 | Ressy | pretty much. :) |
| 04:28.46 | Dagmar | Mainly you gotta check the mobo manufacturers site to be sure it can handle hte number of cores you're planning on sticking on there, and the geometry the RAM uses |
| 04:29.02 | Dagmar | Unless it's X2 in which case it all just works |
| 04:29.10 | Dagmar | x3/x4 gets iffy |
| 04:29.28 | Ressy | bios updates bring in support. |
| 04:45.51 | Dagmar | Yeah _most_ of the time |
| 04:46.00 | Dagmar | Not a lot of comfort if it's not in _yet_ |
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| 04:54.39 | ReAn | tekkub, you lurking? |
| 04:59.52 | eidolarr | what's a drop down menu? |
| 05:00.30 | eidolarr | is it like the interface options menu, or like the minimap button menus? |
| 05:01.41 | Yssaril | eidolarr: its when you click on something (usually a button of some kind) and a menu with more stuff drops from it |
| 05:02.04 | A-KO | Inception was interesting |
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| 05:14.24 | Mirrormn | man, people keep asking me to join Lewd on Demand |
| 05:15.17 | eidolarr | Yssaril: is there only one drop down menu frame that gets reused for everything? i'm trying to understand the somewhat confusing UIDropDownMenu.lua |
| 05:16.34 | Yssaril | eidolarr: no idea but read this awsome guide on how to acutally use them :) http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763 |
| 05:16.54 | Torhal | eidolarr: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=15763 |
| 05:16.57 | Torhal | Damn you Yssaril |
| 05:17.00 | Torhal | Fast on the draw! |
| 05:17.07 | Yssaril | muhahahahaaaa |
| 05:17.48 | eidolarr | awesome, thanks both of you, though slightly more yssaril for responding first |
| 05:18.43 | Wobin | arr |
| 05:18.51 | Wobin | anyone on US Beta PvE? |
| 05:18.57 | Wobin | (in the guild that can invite?) |
| 05:19.24 | eidolarr | are the wowace forums shut down? |
| 05:19.37 | Yssaril | works fine here |
| 05:19.50 | eidolarr | I see |
| 05:19.57 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: possibly me |
| 05:20.05 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: nvm, patch |
| 05:20.18 | Thunder_Child | thats what i get for never loging on |
| 05:20.35 | eidolarr | the register button on the "you are not logged in" page is broken and takes you here: http://forums.wowace.com/register.php?do=signup |
| 05:21.09 | Arrowmaster | that has never worked |
| 05:21.23 | Arrowmaster | you need to make sure you are on www.wowace.com when you login |
| 05:21.26 | Yssaril | eidolarr: always logon at wowace.com and then navigate to the forums |
| 05:23.01 | eidolarr | i won't ask |
| 05:23.45 | Yssaril | your better of not too :) |
| 05:24.49 | Wobin | Has anyone else done the 'rescue drowning people' in the worgen starting experience? |
| 05:24.59 | Wobin | (and by god, I hate that phrase... so pretentious) |
| 05:25.07 | Yssaril | i have |
| 05:25.17 | Wobin | Did you find the water ridiculously murky? |
| 05:25.23 | Yssaril | yes |
| 05:25.23 | Wobin | or is that just my graphics card |
| 05:25.41 | Wobin | if it weren't for the minimap, I'd have no sense of direction at all |
| 05:25.44 | Yssaril | i basically did it in first person mode so that i knew i was close to stuff |
| 05:25.56 | Thunder_Child | i didnt |
| 05:26.01 | Thunder_Child | it was clear for me |
| 05:26.11 | Thunder_Child | but i did it in the alpha, dunno if it changed |
| 05:26.25 | Thunder_Child | i mean, murky would be more realistic |
| 05:26.27 | Yssaril | may depend on your water quality setting |
| 05:26.34 | Thunder_Child | all my settings are maxed |
| 05:27.15 | Wobin | the 'water' settings only appear to affect the surface |
| 05:27.27 | Mirrormn | Wobin: horde or alliance? |
| 05:28.09 | Yssaril | Mirrormn: worgen :P so has to be alliance |
| 05:28.18 | Wobin | aye, alliance |
| 05:28.21 | Thunder_Child | i think he means guild |
| 05:28.21 | Mirrormn | yeah so I've been reading |
| 05:28.34 | Mirrormn | I'm the only one online in the horde guild but I can't invite =/ |
| 05:28.50 | Mirrormn | damn you Jamash! *shakes fist* |
| 05:29.00 | Jamash | doh |
| 05:29.01 | eidolarr | how are the worgen/goblin starter areas compared to, say, dk or BE? |
| 05:29.02 | Jamash | 1 sec |
| 05:29.24 | Thunder_Child | even more linear |
| 05:29.28 | Yssaril | eidolarr: better than BE but not as epic as DDK |
| 05:29.35 | Jamash | I dunno, goblin = pretty epic |
| 05:29.37 | Mirrormn | Jamash: if you can figure out the console commands, you should be able to promote me to be able to invite |
| 05:29.43 | Jamash | k |
| 05:29.47 | Wobin | I like the worgen one so far |
| 05:29.57 | Mirrormn | and I would assume it's just /gpromote Mirrored |
| 05:30.09 | eidolarr | I thought BE was pretty good, but then my first toon was a troll, so... |
| 05:31.43 | eidolarr | I remember my friend had showed me ironforge and I was like wow badass, then I leveled my troll and saw senn jin was a couple tents in the desert, I was like wtf |
| 05:32.11 | Yssaril | lol |
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| 05:38.39 | Jamash | I'm kind of underwhelmed by the new troll city |
| 05:40.30 | Yssaril | Jamash: looked pretty cool to me (couldn't find a flight point though) |
| 05:40.38 | Jamash | there's one in sen'jin |
| 05:43.40 | Mirrormn | in this dropdown menu guide |
| 05:43.52 | Mirrormn | why don't the dropdown menu frames have UIParent as their parent? |
| 05:45.03 | Wobin | wow |
| 05:45.10 | Wobin | ... 50 quests completed -already9 |
| 05:45.12 | Wobin | - |
| 05:45.20 | Dashkal | Goes by pretty quickly |
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| 05:48.25 | Torhal | Mirrormn: The showing and hiding are all handled by the UIDropDownMenu code itself |
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| 05:50.21 | Dashkal | well that's an improvement. eFuse doesn't brick the phone, it just disables it until you reflash with the right code. |
| 05:50.39 | Dashkal | Yeah... that'll be cracked before the phones are released... |
| 05:54.05 | Jamash | man the slime in UC is positively radioactive now |
| 05:55.16 | Fisker | What do you call Wobin sitting alone in an empty room? |
| 05:56.06 | Thunder_Child | i call him Fisker |
| 05:56.34 | Fisker | no |
| 05:56.39 | Fisker | OVERNUMEROUSNESS |
| 05:58.30 | Wobin | So... the carriage crash |
| 05:58.37 | Wobin | has no end quest |
| 05:59.57 | Thunder_Child | you mean the horse model that says "This is a carriage?" |
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| 06:04.12 | Fisker | dun dun dun |
| 06:06.53 | Dashkal | Wobin: It does. Wait by the carriage for the prince to respawn |
| 06:07.10 | Dashkal | He runs off and gets himself killed. Comes back every few mins and does it again |
| 06:08.29 | Wobin | took him about 10min to respawn |
| 06:08.33 | Zyn | RIP <This will be a carriage> |
| 06:10.32 | Dashkal | Bonus: You get to wait for him again when you finish the croc quest |
| 06:12.14 | Fisker | slaps Zyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:12.44 | Zyn | awful |
| 06:13.01 | Fisker | slaps Zyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:15.25 | Zyn | you're the reason Gorgonite bugs in Deepholm, Fisker |
| 06:15.46 | Fisker | slaps Zyn around a bit with a large trout |
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| 06:18.19 | kd3 | good lord. he's got 122k health |
| 06:18.44 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 06:18.50 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 06:19.52 | Zyn | Warian Wrynn has 103mil HP now |
| 06:20.14 | Fisker | hax |
| 06:20.42 | Zyn | come 4.0 patch before release, watch horde raids storm the keep, ????, stand among the corpses and shake your head |
| 06:21.04 | Fisker | why so? |
| 06:21.15 | Zyn | and guards are 85 elites |
| 06:21.18 | Fisker | If people can manage LK Heroic i think they can manage Wrynn too |
| 06:21.28 | Zyn | except he does lvl 85 boss damage |
| 06:21.37 | Dagmar | ...and the adds are *us*. :) |
| 06:21.43 | Fisker | i want to let you in on a little secret Zyn |
| 06:21.51 | Zyn | no u dont |
| 06:21.51 | Fisker | How do you think people got the bear in TBC? |
| 06:22.04 | Dagmar | On my server only a few times have people gotten the clue to bottleneck the entry with AoE |
| 06:22.07 | Zyn | cause they're muppets |
| 06:22.19 | Fisker | oh ok then muppets etc. > Wrynn |
| 06:22.40 | Zyn | with such a steep jump in health, it suggests he's a lot harder |
| 06:22.48 | Dagmar | They've also made the mistake of trying to grief the AH repeatedly, recently. |
| 06:23.09 | Fisker | or that he has a lot more health Zyn |
| 06:23.14 | Dagmar | There's nothing better than that that I can think of for making people break out their mains and go take care of businesss so they can keep taking care of business |
| 06:23.18 | Zyn | you are still terrible |
| 06:27.23 | Fisker | farts |
| 06:35.14 | Shirik__ | so |
| 06:35.16 | Shirik__ | I just saw Inception |
| 06:35.33 | Shirik__ | quite possibly the best movie I ever saw |
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| 06:35.54 | Wobin | I do want to see it |
| 06:35.58 | Wobin | opens on the 22nd here |
| 06:36.37 | Zyn | fascinating |
| 06:37.19 | Fisker | Shirik__ |
| 06:37.31 | Fisker | What do you call Shirik__ sitting alone in an empty room? |
| 06:38.27 | Mirrormn | Shiriki__: it's good? my brother and I were probably gonna go see it tomorrow |
| 06:40.12 | Shirik__ | "it's good" is a severe understatement |
| 06:40.23 | Shirik__ | I was not exaggerating when I said I have never seen a better movie |
| 06:40.28 | Shirik__ | but |
| 06:40.33 | Shirik__ | you can't like any "stupid" movies |
| 06:40.40 | Shirik__ | it requires intelligence to watch it |
| 06:40.45 | Shirik__ | it has a lot of depth to it |
| 06:40.49 | Dagmar | So.... not a shalloe ripoff of Dreamscape then? |
| 06:41.00 | Dagmar | s/loe/low/ |
| 06:41.01 | Shirik__ | haven't seen dreamscape |
| 06:41.11 | Dagmar | Right, that prolly came out when you were a wee bairn then |
| 06:41.59 | Dagmar | It's sort of the same premise, but in Dreamscape the whole military/espionage aspect of things was just a minor story arc |
| 06:42.21 | Dagmar | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087175/ |
| 06:43.17 | Dagmar | Oh my. They have that little girl that's overkill-cute from the car commercial doing one of the voices in Despicable Me. |
| 06:43.21 | Mirrormn | I don't mind "stupid" movies, but I do like one with intelligence |
| 06:43.32 | Fisker | Shirik__ |
| 06:43.33 | Fisker | answer me |
| 06:43.46 | Shirik__ | you call it Shirik|| |
| 06:43.52 | Mirrormn | however, I don't like it when confusion and bad storytelling are passed off as intelligence |
| 06:44.13 | Shirik__ | no |
| 06:44.16 | Shirik__ | this is not that |
| 06:44.17 | Fisker | ANSWER ME SHIRIK |
| 06:44.27 | Shirik__ | I'm not saying the movie is intelligent, either |
| 06:44.32 | Shirik__ | though I would tend to argue it is |
| 06:44.32 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i think i might have seen that movie |
| 06:44.37 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: So... you didn't like that last David Lynch movie then |
| 06:44.43 | Shirik__ | however, I am most certain that you do need intelligence to watch this movie |
| 06:44.47 | Shirik__ | otherwise your brain will explode |
| 06:44.48 | Shirik__ | like literally |
| 06:44.49 | Mirrormn | which one was that, Dagmar? |
| 06:44.50 | Shirik__ | during the movie |
| 06:44.52 | Shirik__ | you will collapse |
| 06:45.25 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: The one where we found out that like certain alcoholic beverages, "David Lynch" undiluted, is not very palatable |
| 06:46.01 | Dagmar | Mirrormn: _Inland Empire_ |
| 06:46.08 | Mirrormn | hrm |
| 06:46.13 | Mirrormn | I didn't see that |
| 06:46.21 | Mirrormn | I'm actually watching Twin Peaks right now, though |
| 06:46.21 | Dagmar | You dinna miss much. |
| 06:46.26 | Dagmar | It's pretty incoherent. |
| 06:46.39 | Dagmar | Take all the parts of Twin Peaks that make any sense out. |
| 06:46.50 | Mirrormn | haha |
| 06:47.21 | Mirrormn | I need to copy my scribe to beta |
| 06:47.21 | Dagmar | What you're left with is a bunch of non-sequitir shots where the actors say one thing (which doesn't make any sense) but their expressions and timing are as if they were saying some other, unrelated thing, which also doesn't make any sense. |
| 06:48.33 | Dagmar | Laura Dern is in it. Jeremy Irons is in it. A numberof famous actors are in it, and all of them probably thought "Oh god what the fuck have I done" at the end |
| 06:50.00 | Dagmar | Seriously, think Wintergrasp at peak times about three months after Wrath came out, right as everyone's in the castle/keep area |
| 06:50.34 | kd3 | updates every few seconds as fps becomes spf? |
| 06:50.56 | Dagmar | FPS wasn't really the problem. UPdates per second was the problem |
| 06:51.15 | Dagmar | I had some nice recorded footage I was about to title "David Lynch's WINTERGRASP" |
| 06:52.07 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 06:52.12 | Dagmar | A gnome stuck in place, facing a blood elf as if they're talking. THe gnome does his idle animation. The blood elf pulls his bow and fires a few shots into nowhere and at no one, then turns and walks away. A tiger runs through the shot. An explosion happens and no one really notices. |
| 06:52.24 | Dagmar | It was _really_ surreal |
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| 06:55.27 | Mirrormn | what's with all the glyph vendors selling battered hilts O.o |
| 06:55.35 | Dagmar | good one |
| 06:55.40 | kd3 | been that way since 3.3.0 ptr beta |
| 06:55.45 | kd3 | s/beta// |
| 06:55.55 | kd3 | just for testing purposes to get people to test the chain on the ptr |
| 06:56.06 | kd3 | (it's how I got it documented for the wiki way back when) |
| 06:56.12 | Dagmar | ...and probably to make people go "OOH MY GOOOOD YESS!" |
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| 07:01.24 | Dashkal | I hope they fix the feedback tool. I keep getting survey prompts at bad times. Like on relog. Which quest was that again? |
| 07:01.29 | Dashkal | And not when I do the quest. |
| 07:01.45 | Dashkal | I feel like a bad beta tester skipping the dant things |
| 07:01.49 | Dashkal | damn* |
| 07:03.55 | cadabra | anyone feeling like looking at some code? |
| 07:03.56 | cadabra | http://paste.wowace.com/2207/ |
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| 07:05.49 | eidolarr | yep, that sure is some code |
| 07:06.34 | cadabra | lol |
| 07:06.37 | cadabra | no idea? |
| 07:07.11 | Fisker | you've been that way since 3.3.0 ptr kd3 |
| 07:08.00 | Mirrormn | first of all, it keeps assigning each successive frame to the same variable |
| 07:08.10 | eidolarr | cadabra:I don't understand what you're doing |
| 07:08.26 | eidolarr | line 13 is totally overwritten by line 15 |
| 07:08.41 | Mirrormn | if you want to iteratively create 5 different frames, you'll have to stick them in a table or something |
| 07:08.43 | eidolarr | if you want it to be named "SMraidslot"..i, pass that as the second arg to CreateFrame |
| 07:08.44 | cadabra | well is it futile to try to do this in this way? i was trying to reduce the actual lenght. |
| 07:08.55 | cadabra | oh |
| 07:08.56 | cadabra | ok |
| 07:08.59 | cadabra | i can do that in there? |
| 07:09.06 | eidolarr | wyou also don't need SMraidslot = |
| 07:09.10 | cadabra | ok |
| 07:09.15 | eidolarr | CreateFrame will make a global for whatever you name it |
| 07:09.36 | Mirrormn | you would create the table, e.g. "SMraidslots = {}" outside of the loop |
| 07:09.47 | eidolarr | so delete line 13 and make line 15, SMraidslot = CreateFrame("frame", "SMraidslot" .. i, SMraidGrp1bd) |
| 07:10.08 | eidolarr | you should also probably expand on the name of SMraidGrp1bd, I have no idea what it's supposed to mean |
| 07:10.45 | Mirrormn | and then in each iteration of the loop, do like "SMraidslot[i] = CreateFrame(...);" |
| 07:10.55 | Mirrormn | er, SMraidslots |
| 07:11.02 | eidolarr | I don't think that's what he wants |
| 07:11.06 | Mirrormn | no? |
| 07:11.15 | eidolarr | I think he just wants _G["SMraidslot"..i] to be the frame |
| 07:11.24 | eidolarr | which is exactly what CreateFrame will do if he passes a name to it |
| 07:11.43 | Mirrormn | well, you can do that too |
| 07:11.46 | Mirrormn | *shrug* |
| 07:12.13 | eidolarr | I mean, they're two very different solutions to two different problems, I have no idea what he's trying to do in the grand scheme haha |
| 07:12.22 | Mirrormn | you'd still be overwriting the raidgrp1txt variable |
| 07:12.27 | Wobin | Ackis: http://www.cartoonlabs.com/comics/index.php?date=2010-07-16&show=sinfest |
| 07:12.37 | eidolarr | yeah you probably want that to be local |
| 07:12.43 | Mirrormn | that, you would probably just want to make a field of the frame you're creating |
| 07:12.55 | Mirrormn | if you made it local you wouldn't be able to reference it later |
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| 07:13.24 | eidolarr | oh I didn't know he needed that |
| 07:13.43 | cadabra | in this case, although fundamentally flawed.. reassigning raidgrp1txt isnt going to be a prblem |
| 07:13.51 | eidolarr | I find that it's best to make frames and textures and all that global, it's just the way the UI seems to work |
| 07:13.53 | cadabra | i need it to say the same thing anyway |
| 07:14.21 | eidolarr | yeah but maybe someone else needs raidgrp1txt and you're stomping all over their global |
| 07:14.34 | Mirrormn | well it looks to me like he's trying to create some sort of display for each member of a group, and initially each of them displays "Empty" |
| 07:14.51 | cadabra | im going to name those "empty" frames as parents |
| 07:15.04 | cadabra | for dynamically created frames to go in them |
| 07:15.24 | cadabra | it works great without this loop.. if i create each of these frames manually |
| 07:15.30 | cadabra | i just wanted to not be such a noob |
| 07:15.33 | cadabra | and clean it up |
| 07:15.36 | eidolarr | Usually when people say dynamically created, they mean with CreateFrame |
| 07:15.59 | eidolarr | so i'm not sure what you mean by dynamically created frames |
| 07:16.02 | cadabra | no, i mean creating frames that are needed, how they are needed, when they are needed |
| 07:16.30 | Mirrormn | you're creating 5 frames, right? |
| 07:16.45 | Mirrormn | and then a FontString for each frame to display text within each frame? |
| 07:16.50 | cadabra | 20 actually, just trying to get it right here before i add in another aspect of the loop |
| 07:17.13 | cadabra | the offset will be different for 6-10 and 16-20 |
| 07:17.21 | cadabra | but i can manage that once i understand this |
| 07:17.39 | Mirrormn | okay, but each frame has its own FontString, correct? |
| 07:17.43 | eidolarr | I would recommend you use more descriptive variable names |
| 07:17.51 | eidolarr | some of these are relaly bewildering |
| 07:18.02 | cadabra | lol they are descriptive to me, in relevance to how they are needed later. |
| 07:18.16 | eidolarr | yeah but will they be in 3 months when you have to patch it? =) |
| 07:18.23 | cadabra | plus, i dont know the normal naming jargon you guys use. |
| 07:18.29 | cadabra | ill get it |
| 07:18.39 | eidolarr | everyone does their own thing, just my personal taste, but then I do a lot of java |
| 07:18.41 | cadabra | lets leave that nitpicking out of the topic.. |
| 07:19.01 | cadabra | im aware that im new and asking you guys is a pain in your asses. |
| 07:19.24 | cadabra | but you're generally very helpful amist all the condescention |
| 07:19.35 | eidolarr | was there another question? if not i'm gonna go to bed |
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| 07:19.51 | Mirrormn | I'm still worried about this FontString business |
| 07:20.06 | eidolarr | cadabra: do you know about locals vs globals? |
| 07:20.10 | cadabra | im still not getting this.. if i create a table as yss and mirr have suggested, will i be able to call to the frames as parents later? |
| 07:20.12 | cadabra | yes |
| 07:20.14 | cadabra | i do |
| 07:20.22 | cadabra | i need some of these outside, some of them i dont |
| 07:20.29 | Mirrormn | what do you mean "as parents |
| 07:20.31 | Mirrormn | " |
| 07:20.38 | cadabra | ill pasty it |
| 07:21.08 | cadabra | http://paste.wowace.com/2209/ |
| 07:21.11 | cadabra | thats what i mean |
| 07:21.11 | Yssaril | as soon as the for loop is done i itself is gone but you have to remember in the for loop i is a variable referenceing a number |
| 07:21.36 | cadabra | right. i get that yss. im trying to make sure i can name these frames parents later. |
| 07:21.52 | Yssaril | as such when you are assigning to table[i] you are really assinging to table[1] (at least the first time throught the loop |
| 07:21.54 | eidolarr | what do you mean by "name these frames parents"? like use them as parents? |
| 07:22.05 | cadabra | check that second pasty eido |
| 07:22.07 | cadabra | 2209 |
| 07:22.19 | cadabra | like i said |
| 07:22.22 | cadabra | it works like butter |
| 07:22.26 | cadabra | if i create all these frames manually |
| 07:22.31 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 07:22.33 | eidolarr | that will work |
| 07:22.37 | cadabra | im just trying to remove those 20 creatframe() |
| 07:22.59 | Yssaril | to parent something to those frames all you need to get is the reference to that frame which we have just stored in our table |
| 07:23.18 | eidolarr | Yssaril: he's not using a table anymore, he's naming them and putting them in _G |
| 07:23.23 | cadabra | so what do i put in the parent paremeter |
| 07:23.24 | Yssaril | so you can do frame:SetParent(table[1]) and it will parent it to the first one you created |
| 07:23.35 | eidolarr | on what line? |
| 07:23.39 | eidolarr | 12? |
| 07:24.05 | cadabra | createframe("FRAME", nil, table[1]) later? |
| 07:24.14 | cadabra | is that how i word it |
| 07:24.22 | Mirrormn | why would you even do that, though, when you can just set the parent when you create the frame? |
| 07:24.28 | cadabra | right |
| 07:24.31 | cadabra | like im asking now |
| 07:24.38 | cadabra | createframe("FRAME", nil, table[1]) |
| 07:24.40 | cadabra | is that right? |
| 07:24.48 | eidolarr | cadabra: if you have a table, yeah, but you don't right now |
| 07:24.53 | cadabra | well, i do |
| 07:24.56 | cadabra | you just dont know about it |
| 07:24.57 | Mirrormn | well |
| 07:24.58 | cadabra | yss helped me |
| 07:25.02 | eidolarr | what I'm saying is that if you use a second argument to CreateFrame in your first pastey |
| 07:25.10 | eidolarr | then what you have now for your second pastey works fine |
| 07:25.16 | cadabra | but why not use a table.. its more pro, right? |
| 07:25.18 | cadabra | lol |
| 07:25.29 | airtonix | i like to press enter alot |
| 07:25.53 | cadabra | <-- loves to copy and paste then find and replace over and over and over. |
| 07:26.01 | eidolarr | well it's complicated but imo you should always use named frames, whic hputs it in global anyway |
| 07:26.09 | eidolarr | using a table wouldn't win you anything |
| 07:26.13 | airtonix | <-- loves to point out to those newfags that their pants are obviously falling down |
| 07:26.15 | eidolarr | since it's already sort of in a table, _G |
| 07:26.34 | Yssaril | eidolarr: it wouldn't polute _G :P |
| 07:26.49 | Mirrormn | I don't like putting a lot of values in _G |
| 07:26.52 | eidolarr | yeah but tbh all the default UI stuff supports named frames, which use _G |
| 07:26.53 | airtonix | "hi, your pants are falling down... did you know.. i mean i can see your jocks" |
| 07:27.17 | eidolarr | polluting _G is only a problem if there's a chance of collision |
| 07:27.33 | Mirrormn | well, as Vhaarr taught me just recently |
| 07:27.48 | Mirrormn | using _G a lot also puts a lot of entries in the taint log |
| 07:27.55 | Yssaril | eidolarr: just a good habit to stay away from it also the more stuff you toss in _G the slower looking up anything in there gets |
| 07:28.04 | Mirrormn | because every time you assign a global variable, you cause taint |
| 07:28.21 | Mirrormn | anyway |
| 07:28.36 | Torhal | cadabra: ---> |
| 07:28.37 | Torhal | ~pil |
| 07:28.38 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 07:28.42 | eidolarr | Yssaril: a good habit usually I agree, but frames are an exception |
| 07:28.42 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:29.03 | eidolarr | "slower" I would have to see statistics, I highly doubt significantly |
| 07:29.03 | Mirrormn | there's barely any difference to always using a prefix for your global variables and just using one global variable which is a table and then putting all your stuff in that table |
| 07:29.10 | Yssaril | eidolarr: not in my book unless you are creating them in XML there is no need for them to have names |
| 07:29.20 | Mirrormn | well |
| 07:29.21 | eidolarr | I suspect the weight of adding frames is much heavier than the weight on global lookups |
| 07:29.29 | Mirrormn | yes there is |
| 07:29.44 | eidolarr | Yssaril: a lot of default API functions take names, and names make framestacks readable |
| 07:29.54 | Mirrormn | frames with global identifiers can be accessed within the program with .script, if you ever need to |
| 07:30.13 | Torhal | eidolarr: Define "a lot". I can think of only a few that absolutely require it. One of which is UISpecialFrames |
| 07:30.15 | eidolarr | you could say that of any variable though |
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| 07:30.41 | Yssaril | Torhal: it doesnt actualy need a name just a global reference :P |
| 07:30.53 | Mirrormn | like I just said, my preferred method is to create frames as entries in a globally accessable table |
| 07:30.54 | eidolarr | Torhal: enough to be a pita =) today, UIDropDownMenu |
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| 07:31.12 | eidolarr | it just seems like overall hiding frames from _G is swimming against the current for virtually no wins |
| 07:31.17 | Torhal | eidolarr: Yes, but how often do you really need to use the parts that do require one? :) |
| 07:31.21 | Mirrormn | it's not hiding |
| 07:31.25 | Mirrormn | it's just organizing |
| 07:31.44 | Mirrormn | now, on the other hand |
| 07:31.57 | eidolarr | you can organize and still have global references to be consistent with the rest of the UI |
| 07:32.09 | Mirrormn | yeah, you can |
| 07:32.12 | Torhal | eidolarr: Have you never heard of namespace pollution? |
| 07:32.14 | Mirrormn | but then there's no point |
| 07:32.24 | Yssaril | the only reason i can see putting frames to be easily accesible through _G is if someone wants to skinn it with another addon (and thats a whole other can of worms) |
| 07:32.31 | eidolarr | Torhal: of course, but it's often exaggerated |
| 07:32.34 | Mirrormn | MyAddon_whatevername and MyAddon.whatevername are almost identical |
| 07:32.45 | Mirrormn | but the latter is better from an organizational point of view |
| 07:33.10 | Torhal | Fuck this. I don't talk religion and it seems we hit that point just now. |
| 07:33.14 | Torhal | goes to smoke. |
| 07:33.18 | eidolarr | Torhal: as long as you prepend a reasonably unique prefix, you're not going to see collisions |
| 07:33.44 | airtonix | Torhal, what are you smoking |
| 07:33.55 | airtonix | indian blue ? |
| 07:34.01 | Yssaril | alright 6 hours till i got to be back at work i need sleep night all |
| 07:34.03 | eidolarr | Yssaril: but what are you gaining by hiding it? Anyone who wants to get at your frames still can |
| 07:34.07 | eidolarr | alright good night |
| 07:34.42 | Yssaril | eidolarr: i gain a smidgen of cpu cycles which are precious to me :P |
| 07:34.58 | eidolarr | alright TO BE CONTINUED get some rest =) |
| 07:34.59 | Grum | anyone playing beta and who is in deepholm? :P |
| 07:35.04 | Mirrormn | I've named 3 advantages to storing frames in a single globally accessinle tables, and you've named 0 for just using global variables with prefixes |
| 07:35.12 | Mirrormn | *accessible table |
| 07:35.27 | Mirrormn | Grum: me |
| 07:35.34 | Grum | did you already do the quests on the airship? |
| 07:35.37 | Mirrormn | yeah |
| 07:35.46 | Grum | where the hell is the Bottle of Whiskey? :( |
| 07:35.51 | Mirrormn | it's on a lifeboat |
| 07:35.57 | Grum | ah! |
| 07:36.12 | Grum | HA! |
| 07:36.14 | Grum | cheers |
| 07:36.19 | Mirrormn | yar |
| 07:36.29 | Grum | couldnt find that one hehe |
| 07:36.31 | Mirrormn | you get so depedent on those quest location markers |
| 07:36.41 | Grum | i found the rope |
| 07:36.45 | Grum | i was scanning the whole boat |
| 07:36.49 | Grum | never tyhought of the lifeboats >< |
| 07:36.51 | Mirrormn | btw, grum, cool bug on the airship |
| 07:36.52 | eidolarr | Mirrormn: I'm sorry can you say the 3 again in like 2 words each |
| 07:37.03 | Mirrormn | if you knock a mob back, it starts slipping off the boat |
| 07:37.33 | Grum | Mirrormn: oh i found it worse that it has a infinite crash bug |
| 07:37.38 | Grum | when you stand on there with max view range |
| 07:37.56 | Mirrormn | grum: that's not airship-specific |
| 07:38.14 | Mirrormn | as far as I can tell, it occurs when you try to look at a certain part of the map |
| 07:38.47 | Grum | only had problems with it on the boat sofar |
| 07:39.03 | airtonix | Fisker, come and play eve with me |
| 07:39.13 | Mirrormn | eidolarr: doesn't cause taint, better for organization, more resistant to namespace collisions |
| 07:39.47 | Mirrormn | especially if you name your table in one line and then refer to it through a local variable for the rest of the program |
| 07:40.05 | Mirrormn | cause then you can change its name very easily if you ever run into problems |
| 07:40.31 | eidolarr | Mirrormn: how is it more resistant to namespace collisions? |
| 07:40.52 | eidolarr | you yourself said X_Y is just as unliekly to collide as X.Y for responsible values X |
| 07:41.17 | Mirrormn | well, because it's easier to rename the whole namespace |
| 07:41.29 | Mirrormn | I guess that might fall under better organization, really |
| 07:41.39 | eidolarr | if you are renaming your global namespace you need to reconsider its being global |
| 07:41.54 | Mirrormn | huh? |
| 07:41.55 | Grum | X_Y < X.Y no amount of talking will improve on that |
| 07:42.11 | eidolarr | oh ok, thanks grum |
| 07:42.24 | eidolarr | Mirrormn: here's a big advantage: easily naming your frames |
| 07:42.26 | eidolarr | using XML |
| 07:42.36 | Grum | you dont use xml since 2007 |
| 07:42.41 | Mirrormn | haha |
| 07:42.43 | eidolarr | context independence for grepping, could you imagine finding things in FrameXML if they aliased everything with locals? |
| 07:42.46 | Legorol | Grum: that's a stupid argument |
| 07:42.52 | Legorol | whether you use xml or not depends on application |
| 07:43.03 | Legorol | you can't make a sweeping statement like that |
| 07:43.07 | Mirrormn | well if you're going to use XML, different rules apply, imo |
| 07:43.38 | Grum | i'm sorry, you dont use xml, there is no reason to, its arcane, big and afaik you can do everything through lua |
| 07:43.55 | Mirrormn | in that case, I wouldn't mind use of global names for frames, because in that case, the benefits outweigh the benefits of using table access |
| 07:44.08 | eidolarr | your "don't do this you are just wrong" arguments are exceptionally unconvincing |
| 07:44.21 | Mirrormn | well I'm not going to say xml is wrong in all cases |
| 07:44.23 | eidolarr | not you |
| 07:44.24 | Mirrormn | but I don't like it |
| 07:44.41 | Legorol | I agree with Mirrormn and Grum for keeping to X.Y as much as possible. I disagree with Grum on his generalisation wrt XML. |
| 07:45.05 | eidolarr | Mirrormn: I tried to hide global frames a lot for awhile and found that overall the system fights with you and you're really not scoring anything |
| 07:45.13 | eidolarr | in reality, it's not a huge difference either way |
| 07:45.22 | Mirrormn | how does the system fight with you? |
| 07:45.22 | Grum | other than filling up the global namespace |
| 07:45.30 | Mirrormn | and like I said, it's not hiding, it's just organizing |
| 07:45.40 | Legorol | Grum: how do you create a virtual frame in Lua? |
| 07:45.43 | Mirrormn | if the table is global, they're still easily accessible |
| 07:45.45 | eidolarr | Grum: yeah, lots of other people are going to be using dinger_SoundOptionsPanel |
| 07:45.58 | eidolarr | they're just as globally accessible as if they were globals |
| 07:45.59 | Grum | eidolarr: but if they do there is no way for you to notice |
| 07:46.31 | eidolarr | Grum: a dedicated attacker can grab at your frames whether or not you have them in the global namespace, and accidents won't happen if you name reasonably |
| 07:47.31 | Grum | Legorol: actually not sure, never had to use that feature, probably a flag for it orso :) |
| 07:47.34 | eidolarr | Mirrormn: again, when you create named frames, they're automatically dumped into _G. You can hide this if you want, but if you want to avoid collisions, you have to backup and restore the value there |
| 07:48.00 | Grum | i also like that with not using xml your diffs will make sense |
| 07:48.13 | eidolarr | The way to not use virtual frames is to use Lua factory functions |
| 07:48.52 | eidolarr | if you're really averse to XML/global stuf |
| 07:49.27 | Legorol | eidolarr: sure. However, a virtual template created in XML can be used by either XML or Lua, but not the other way around. |
| 07:49.57 | Mirrormn | eidolarr: if you don't want them created as global variables, obviously you don't name them |
| 07:50.15 | eidolarr | here's the bottom line for me: an adversary can get at your frames regardless of whether you make them global, and with decent naming conventions, no accidental collisions are going to occur. Thus you gain nothing by going crazy about keeping things nonglobal |
| 07:50.35 | eidolarr | Mirrormn: naming them means more than global references, if you've ever used the Framestack tool, it's like 1/10 the usefullness with nameless frames |
| 07:51.25 | Torhal | eidolarr: local addon_name, namespace = ... |
| 07:51.30 | Torhal | Nobody gets to namespace. |
| 07:51.32 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:51.44 | eidolarr | they can get to your frames |
| 07:51.54 | eidolarr | you can grab mouseover or even just iterate over frames |
| 07:52.09 | Grum | i just prefer to expose certain parts of my addons of my choosing, not dumping every single thing into the global namespace for no apparent reason |
| 07:52.21 | Torhal | At any rate - I'm not into hiding, I just like the abstraction. |
| 07:52.41 | Torhal | Makes it easier to think of in relational terms |
| 07:52.51 | eidolarr | Grum: I know what you mean, especially as a Java programmer, I understand the beauty of keeping visibility as tight as possible |
| 07:53.31 | eidolarr | but I've found that since switching my code is cleaner since I don't nil out named frames or shift things into tables, easier to navigate because names are context independent, and easier to debug with the framestack |
| 07:53.53 | eidolarr | Torhal: yeah I like it too but in reality very few people are going to be extending most addons, so the idea of hiding the implementation is of little value imho |
| 07:54.15 | Grum | also, if you 'hide' things then other addons will less likely break your stuff when they try to interface/muck it about, if you provide a nice interface for them you'll keep your share of 'omg these 2 addons clash together'-bug reports to a minimum |
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| 07:55.23 | Torhal | I don't care if people want to extend my code or not - I'm just from the C++ school where polluting the global namespace is assinine and keeping interrelated things within a scope makes comprehension easier. |
| 07:55.56 | eidolarr | well i'm from the C school where we look down on the C++ namespace keyword spitefully |
| 07:56.19 | eidolarr | this was a rivalry written in the stars buddy, you better watch out |
| 07:57.36 | Torhal | Like I said - I don't talk religion. :D |
| 07:57.44 | airtonix | Torhal, |
| 07:58.02 | airtonix | no one likes to hear common sense |
| 07:58.16 | eidolarr | I have really never understood why Foo.Bar is safer than Foo_Bar |
| 07:58.24 | airtonix | its like being told that typing fast is not really hacking |
| 07:58.48 | airtonix | eidolarr, i just assumed it was because of scope ? |
| 07:59.00 | airtonix | or relations |
| 07:59.14 | eidolarr | but if everyone is using namespaces, the old Foo_Bar collisions turn into Foo collisions |
| 07:59.34 | eidolarr | oh I see what you mean, like it enables you to use common variable names within the namespace |
| 07:59.42 | airtonix | yeah |
| 07:59.45 | eidolarr | yeah fuck that, I like my grep |
| 07:59.51 | Torhal | You're right - classes are silly. Automobile_RotateWheels() is so much better than Automobile:RotateWheels() |
| 07:59.53 | airtonix | but obviously you'll have your parent object named something unique |
| 07:59.55 | Torhal | :D |
| 08:00.17 | Torhal | Er, :: |
| 08:00.21 | airtonix | i_heard_you_liek_undderscores ? |
| 08:00.23 | eidolarr | classes != namespaces |
| 08:00.24 | Torhal | been doing Lua too long |
| 08:00.50 | eidolarr | classes are about objects, namespaces are about... scope? |
| 08:00.55 | Torhal | Ah, but if you do your tables right they're more like classes (though not exactly unless you start mucking with metatables) |
| 08:00.58 | Mirrormn | eidolar: it's not "safer", it's just better organized |
| 08:01.21 | eidolarr | yeah I don't understand that either, is '.' a more organized symbol than '_'? |
| 08:01.22 | Torhal | Now, I'm going to finish watching my TV show before I pass out. |
| 08:01.30 | Grum | dont wear pants |
| 08:01.44 | airtonix | pants are evil |
| 08:01.52 | eidolarr | Torhal: yeah but you don't win anything with : unless you use them like objects |
| 08:01.53 | Mirrormn | no, but there are operations you can use on a table that you can't use on a prefix |
| 08:02.01 | eidolarr | especially not with local name, scope = ...; |
| 08:02.22 | eidolarr | not easily you mean! |
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| 08:02.33 | Mirrormn | well |
| 08:02.40 | eidolarr | this may be the birth of a legitimate point |
| 08:02.44 | eidolarr | what kind of operations are you thinking of |
| 08:03.11 | Mirrormn | for example, listing all of the frames in of your specific addon |
| 08:03.20 | Mirrormn | just need to iterate over the table |
| 08:03.37 | eidolarr | your adodn's namespace contains only your frames? |
| 08:03.53 | Mirrormn | for the purpose of this example alone, sure |
| 08:04.12 | eidolarr | you're mixing up the virtues of using tables vs not using them, with the virtues of using tables for namespaces |
| 08:04.21 | Mirrormn | sure |
| 08:04.26 | eidolarr | you can put your frames in tables and still have global references |
| 08:04.34 | eidolarr | and, you can do that without using an addon namespace |
| 08:04.39 | Mirrormn | well that would be extra useless |
| 08:04.41 | eidolarr | blizzard's code does it |
| 08:05.22 | eidolarr | I thought you were going to say something like "enumerate everything belonging to your addon's scope" but I couldn't think of a credible use case |
| 08:05.28 | Mirrormn | I'm not saying there's huge advantages to using a table for a namespace, just that I don't see *any* advantages to using prefixes |
| 08:05.43 | eidolarr | grep |
| 08:06.00 | eidolarr | grep loves prefixes |
| 08:06.03 | Grum | but people use windows!! |
| 08:06.08 | Grum | ;) |
| 08:06.19 | eidolarr | uhhh, ctrl-f? does windows do text search? :P |
| 08:06.48 | Mirrormn | "grep loves prefixes" seems like an even more specious argument than iterating over all the elements of your namespace table |
| 08:06.58 | eidolarr | huh? not at all |
| 08:07.17 | eidolarr | "this looks like an interesting template, how is it used? where is this variable accessed?" |
| 08:07.27 | eidolarr | if FrameXML used local aliasing it would be an incredible headache to search through |
| 08:09.33 | eidolarr | UIDropDownButtonTemplate is a much more greppable name than 'template' or whatever name you would give it in a private scope |
| 08:09.48 | Torhal | Blizzard planned on their UI being extended, and in ways they couldn't forsee, so it was implemented more like a library than an application. AddOns are the applications. |
| 08:10.33 | eidolarr | so only libraries should shamelessly expose their internals to the global environment eh |
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| 08:10.43 | eidolarr | sounds a little bit backward |
| 08:11.33 | eidolarr | grep is useful for understanding code in general, not just libraries, and tbh I doubt they had that foresight |
| 08:11.58 | eidolarr | more likely they'd been building UIs with XML for years and the Lua was a WoW specific thing that took over |
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| 08:12.48 | Mirrormn | man, fireball's DoT does tons of damage now |
| 08:13.27 | Mirrormn | and it can crit |
| 08:13.32 | Mirrormn | and the crits proc ignite O.o |
| 08:13.42 | eidolarr | do they proc rolling ignites? |
| 08:13.45 | eidolarr | that would be too much |
| 08:13.50 | Mirrormn | I dunno |
| 08:13.56 | Mirrormn | my crit is only like 12% now |
| 08:14.00 | Mirrormn | in heroic ICC 25 gear |
| 08:14.06 | eidolarr | at what level? |
| 08:14.09 | Mirrormn | 83 |
| 08:14.18 | eidolarr | how much was it at 80? |
| 08:14.37 | Mirrormn | I dunno, exactly, but a lot more |
| 08:14.45 | Mirrormn | like 55% in raids |
| 08:15.06 | Mirrormn | so I guess probably 35% ish unbuffed |
| 08:15.11 | eidolarr | is the 85 gear to the 80 gear as the 80 gear is to the 70 gear? |
| 08:15.15 | eidolarr | that sounds like the way it's headed |
| 08:15.23 | Mirrormn | there's no 85 gear yet |
| 08:15.28 | Mirrormn | level cap is 83 |
| 08:15.38 | Mirrormn | but it seems like it might be |
| 08:16.39 | Mirrormn | my mage has 42.05% self-buffed on live |
| 08:16.52 | Mirrormn | actually make that 48.05% to fire |
| 08:17.08 | Mirrormn | fire-specific crit was deleted from the talent trees |
| 08:17.47 | Mirrormn | part of the problem is that spells cost so much now that you have to use mage armor instead of molten armor, that's about 7% crit |
| 08:18.02 | Mirrormn | part of the problem is removal of crit talents |
| 08:18.17 | Mirrormn | part of the problem is backwards gear scaling due to ratings |
| 08:18.28 | Mirrormn | I hate that -.- |
| 08:20.26 | Mirrormn | anyway, on live, my fireball is 284 mana/s, on beta it's 873 mana/s |
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| 08:21.15 | Mirrormn | that's 3 times as much mana per second, but my total mana has only increased by like 40% |
| 08:21.25 | Mirrormn | no one cares about this |
| 08:21.35 | Mirrormn | maybe I will go post it on the beta class forum |
| 08:24.09 | Wobin | man |
| 08:24.15 | Wobin | Battle of Gilneas is terribly broken |
| 08:25.56 | Mirrormn | also, apparently Ignite ticks 3 times now, so it's actually 60% extra damage on crits |
| 08:33.08 | Grum | mmm ding 83 |
| 08:33.14 | Mirrormn | grutz |
| 08:33.58 | Grum | meh no more beta until higher lvl cap :P |
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| 08:45.20 | nevcairiel | Grum: worgen! |
| 08:46.10 | Grum | mmm true that |
| 08:46.17 | Grum | but no bags etc /cry OMGOMGOMG |
| 08:46.27 | nevcairiel | find some tailor |
| 08:46.30 | nevcairiel | not like thats hard |
| 08:46.39 | Grum | no materials hehe |
| 08:46.47 | foxlit | Besides, worgens get bags from quests |
| 08:46.57 | foxlit | Those are plenty to plough through the starting area :) |
| 08:47.55 | Grum | mm kk :) |
| 08:47.58 | Grum | not sure which class though |
| 08:48.16 | Jamash | vendors don't charge btw |
| 08:48.21 | Jamash | so you can buy vendor bags |
| 08:49.09 | foxlit | whowherewhen? |
| 08:51.26 | Grum | k in full ungemmed/enchanted quest greenies i have 46k hp as spriest @ lvl83 |
| 08:51.48 | Grum | oh and unbuffed |
| 08:52.07 | Grum | PW:F is 495 sta .. wtf :P scales up like mad |
| 08:52.46 | Niv | pvp in vashjir is fun as a melee |
| 08:52.58 | Niv | casters sitting inside graphics and nuking |
| 08:53.07 | Niv | hehe |
| 08:56.15 | Grum | quest greenies/blues do not replace ~277 gear :) |
| 08:57.46 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck did i go from 8.2gigs of free space to nothing in an hour |
| 08:58.50 | Grum | you installed the wow bet? |
| 08:59.15 | robokitty | ^^ |
| 08:59.34 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:59.44 | Grum | downloaded porn? |
| 09:00.07 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 09:00.46 | foxlit | /dev/urandom > file ? |
| 09:01.32 | Arrowmaster | i hope not |
| 09:01.50 | Arrowmaster | and my read performance seems to be shit right now |
| 09:02.08 | airtonix | torrents ? |
| 09:02.15 | airtonix | with pre allocation rule ? |
| 09:02.24 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 09:02.37 | Arrowmaster | downloading sc2 |
| 09:12.49 | Arrowmaster | speaking of porn |
| 09:13.31 | Arrowmaster | wow they put a lot of effort into reproducing the set for this Big.Bang.Theory.A.XXX.Parody.XXX |
| 09:14.03 | Mirrormn | oh wow |
| 09:14.09 | Mirrormn | watching the big bang theory normally is bad enough |
| 09:14.28 | Arrowmaster | what do you mean, that show is awesome |
| 09:14.32 | Mirrormn | -.- |
| 09:15.19 | Mirrormn | I guess if you like terrible jokes and pandering to a gross stereotype of nerds |
| 09:16.16 | ReAn | what time is tekkub on usually |
| 09:16.23 | ReAn | and who's in the horde UI guild? |
| 09:16.25 | ReAn | or rather |
| 09:16.29 | ReAn | who's the lead |
| 09:16.40 | Mirrormn | pve NA? |
| 09:16.45 | ReAn | ya |
| 09:16.47 | lowlee | Jamash |
| 09:16.49 | Mirrormn | I can invite |
| 09:16.53 | ReAn | \o/ |
| 09:16.54 | Mirrormn | Mirrored |
| 09:17.01 | ReAn | kay |
| 09:25.44 | Arrowmaster | can everybody view this? http://www.curseforge.com/home/private-messages/4376-report-broker_speed-fu/ |
| 09:26.27 | Arrowmaster | or is it just because im a moderator that i can see it |
| 09:26.57 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Because you're a moderator - it's a PM |
| 09:27.13 | Arrowmaster | damn |
| 09:27.21 | Torhal | Screenshot! |
| 09:27.22 | Arrowmaster | worth a good laugh for the channel |
| 09:27.24 | Torhal | Heh |
| 09:27.33 | Mirrormn | pastey? |
| 09:27.39 | Arrowmaster | do it, im too lazy to screenshot it |
| 09:30.33 | Mirrormn | who exactly are you telling to do what? |
| 09:32.00 | Torhal | http://tinypic.com/?t=postupload |
| 09:32.19 | Arrowmaster | http://paste.wowace.com/qsebdjv70u9zwplo/ |
| 09:32.55 | Arrowmaster | bah no word wraping |
| 09:33.53 | Torhal | http://tinypic.com/r/24m93wm/3 |
| 09:34.43 | Torhal | For some reason I couldn't copy/paste the link so I had to type the damn thing |
| 09:35.15 | Arrowmaster | and for those wondering http://paste.wowace.com/h13p0y5cfj8detms/ |
| 09:35.46 | Arrowmaster | important part being the bottom |
| 09:37.13 | Torhal | Oh, come on. Clearly I was mistaken for saying it was a fan update. Clearly. |
| 09:37.24 | Torhal | Ugh. |
| 09:37.39 | Arrowmaster | you were |
| 09:37.47 | Arrowmaster | its a direct fucking port from fubar to ldb |
| 09:37.54 | Torhal | We all know that changing an AddOn from FuBar to LDB makes it a different AddOn. |
| 09:37.57 | Torhal | Heh |
| 09:38.10 | Torhal | I'm still laughing over how irate he was, |
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| 09:38.36 | Arrowmaster | im wondering if im getting close to that thin line called abuse of power |
| 09:38.45 | Torhal | Oh? |
| 09:39.10 | Arrowmaster | i site ban people that piss me off, but i swear they all deserve it |
| 09:39.16 | Torhal | Haha |
| 09:40.14 | Torhal | In this case, since the guy was maintaining that it wasn't a fan update, it was pretty much plagiarism so the ban was deserved methinks. |
| 09:40.27 | Torhal | I'd actually thought you did it when I told you about the project |
| 09:40.35 | Arrowmaster | i forgot |
| 09:40.38 | Fisker | abcdefg |
| 09:40.44 | Torhal | If only because it was Broker_AddOnFu |
| 09:40.45 | Fisker | someone should've told you not to fuck with me |
| 09:41.16 | Torhal | brutally Fisker's Fisker with a mikma. |
| 09:41.39 | Arrowmaster | actually i didnt forget, i looked at it his activity log and saw he actually did report some bugs in other addons and stuff before, if it would have been nothing but uploading the addon i would have banned last night |
| 09:42.16 | Arrowmaster | i do make an attempt at being nice, but when that fails i dont hold back |
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| 09:46.12 | Torhal | I'm particularly happy with the recent addition to the "Projects of this type will not be accepted" list - "Addons which are nothing more than a macro which can be run by using a slash command" |
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| 09:56.11 | Mirrormn | I dunno |
| 09:56.21 | Mirrormn | on the one hand, I actually see the usefulness of the addon |
| 09:56.40 | Mirrormn | on the other, trying to get a beta key out of it so shamelessly is a little provocative |
| 09:58.21 | Mirrormn | it's also fair to note that SpeedFu was released under "All Right Reserved" ^_^ |
| 09:58.27 | Mirrormn | *Rights |
| 09:59.09 | Arrowmaster | actually i dont even remember what the original license was, i just never changed it after the new wowace system went online and everything defaulted to "All Rights Reserved" |
| 09:59.18 | Torhal | Mirrormn: Did you see that the guy was trying to claim that it wasn't a fan update, though? Moving away from FuBar clearly made it a completely different AddOn... |
| 10:00.10 | Mirrormn | well I'm not really sure what the standard definition of "Fan Update" is anyway |
| 10:00.10 | Arrowmaster | i actually stole the project from Rophy |
| 10:00.16 | Mirrormn | nor how it plays into the rules system |
| 10:01.17 | Torhal | Mirrormn: A "fan update" is someone who is not the author, and who was not given permission, taking an AddOn which hasn't been updated in awhile and either fixing it or adding new information to it |
| 10:01.29 | Mirrormn | hmm |
| 10:01.37 | Mirrormn | well that definitely sounds like a fan update to me |
| 10:02.27 | Torhal | Well, at the end of his message he stated that we were the ones who were confused because we said it was "something that it is clearly not". |
| 10:02.31 | Torhal | I LOLed |
| 10:03.53 | Jamash | I'm going to create an addon called SimpleTitanBrokerFuUI |
| 10:04.05 | Mirrormn | O.o |
| 10:04.09 | Jamash | all it does is break other people's addons |
| 10:04.23 | Jamash | now give me beta key |
| 10:04.24 | Mirrormn | make it auto-invite every person on your faction to your guild also |
| 10:04.28 | Torhal | Jamash: No. Replace "Simple" with "LightWeight" and you'll have a hit |
| 10:04.53 | Torhal | Or even SimpleLightWeight |
| 10:04.56 | Torhal | Win! |
| 10:05.08 | Mirrormn | call it AceLightWeightTitanBrokerFuUI but don't embed any ace libraries |
| 10:05.40 | Torhal | I prefer LibLordFarlander or AlarLib, myself. |
| 10:06.24 | Jamash | LibAddonLibraryLib |
| 10:06.37 | Arrowmaster | i take partial credit for LibLordFarlander being what it is today |
| 10:06.45 | Arrowmaster | i made some commits to it |
| 10:07.29 | Torhal | Haha |
| 10:07.41 | Arrowmaster | what i did |
| 10:08.25 | Arrowmaster | when he created LibSpecialEvents-*-3.0 crap on the old wowace svn i went 'FUCK NO!' and svn mv'd them into LibLordFarlander |
| 10:08.34 | Torhal | Aaah |
| 10:08.34 | nevcairiel | hey Arrowmaster did you see that guy on the forums that is fixing cartographer again? :d |
| 10:08.49 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I just denied his project on WoWAce. |
| 10:08.51 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: thanks for the reminder of who else i need to ban |
| 10:09.11 | Torhal | He wanted to make it "Cartographer 3.5" and was asking for help since he's "not good coder" |
| 10:09.41 | Arrowmaster | actually my reply is still the most recent one |
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| 10:09.51 | Arrowmaster | "Copyright law says you are not allowed to fix it." |
| 10:10.42 | Torhal | Succinct |
| 10:10.49 | Vilkku | meh I should check the front page more often |
| 10:10.55 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: So, for more laughs: http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer-v3-5/ |
| 10:10.56 | Vilkku | missed many days of delicious key giveaway |
| 10:11.30 | Mirrormn | am not a good coder |
| 10:11.37 | Mirrormn | *sigh* |
| 10:11.49 | Torhal | I just don't get it. |
| 10:11.56 | Arrowmaster | i should reply again with "And don't test me, I've already banned one person for trying to modify one of my own addons and uploading it since we started giving away beta keys." |
| 10:12.04 | lowlee | how did that person even manage to type in wowace.com :O |
| 10:12.19 | Torhal | "I don't know fuck-all about coding, but...I KNOW! I'll make a NEW PROJECT! People who CAN code will FLOCK to it!" |
| 10:12.38 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.46 | Mirrormn | type in wowace.com is not that hard |
| 10:12.52 | Mirrormn | *typing |
| 10:13.01 | Torhal | lowlee: He probably hit a few phishing sites first. |
| 10:13.04 | Mirrormn | but I'd be surprised if he could figure out how to use a repository |
| 10:13.11 | lowlee | lol probably |
| 10:13.14 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: hahaha http://www.wowace.com/licenses/727-cartographer-updatev3-5/ |
| 10:13.18 | nevcairiel | i saw that |
| 10:13.25 | nevcairiel | he fails so hard |
| 10:13.38 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: That's his LICENSE? |
| 10:13.42 | Torhal | Hahahahahaha |
| 10:14.21 | Arrowmaster | if i had physical access to the curse.com servers i would be trying to access ckk's account just to send that guy a message with 'FUCK OFF' |
| 10:15.07 | Torhal | Who needs physical access? I doubt you could actually do it but there's the "Impersonate user" option... |
| 10:15.09 | Arrowmaster | or 'FUCK NO' |
| 10:15.28 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: theres an option called that? |
| 10:15.36 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Under Admin Activities |
| 10:15.45 | Torhal | I raised an eyebrow the first time I saw it |
| 10:15.46 | Arrowmaster | i dont think i have admin |
| 10:15.47 | nevcairiel | didnt they restrict that to like super-master-mega admins now? |
| 10:15.55 | Arrowmaster | only moderator |
| 10:15.58 | nevcairiel | oh hm |
| 10:16.00 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Dunno. |
| 10:16.00 | nevcairiel | its still there |
| 10:16.04 | nevcairiel | i thought it was gone |
| 10:16.06 | Torhal | Nope |
| 10:16.21 | Arrowmaster | where is this? |
| 10:16.23 | Torhal | I don't see any reason for its existence, but it's tehre |
| 10:16.32 | Torhal | under "Admin actions" |
| 10:16.33 | nevcairiel | on the main page |
| 10:16.42 | Torhal | Right under "Ban IP address" |
| 10:17.03 | Torhal | s/tehre/there/ |
| 10:17.13 | Arrowmaster | under "Ban IP address" is "Create a poll" for me |
| 10:17.19 | Torhal | D'oh |
| 10:17.39 | nevcairiel | you're lacking that power then |
| 10:19.26 | Vilkku | key giveaway question: if I got to the stage where I was given a tracking number, does that mean I pass all the requirements, or does everyone get a number and someone then checks which ones are actually allowed to get keys? |
| 10:21.15 | Torhal | Vilkku: Unsure, you'd have to ask a WoWI admin. Though, the last word was they wouldn't get new keys until Monday. |
| 10:21.26 | Vilkku | yeah Torhal, I read that |
| 10:21.45 | Vilkku | my tracking number is 400 something though, and it seems like they just give keys first come first serve |
| 10:22.07 | Vilkku | so I was wondering if there was a chance that there were tracking numbers before mine who were not allowed to get keys :P |
| 10:22.17 | lowlee | don't quote me Vilkku but i think if it issues tracking numbers the site has determined you are eligible - again don't quote |
| 10:22.33 | Arrowmaster | dont worry its not like they are going to run out of keys |
| 10:22.54 | Vilkku | :P |
| 10:22.56 | Arrowmaster | Fisker and I both got like 3 beta keys for wrath i think |
| 10:23.04 | Vilkku | I got two for wrath |
| 10:23.11 | nevcairiel | i had like 5 or so |
| 10:23.13 | Vilkku | but I got my second one pretty late |
| 10:23.20 | Vilkku | first one was from wowinterface <3 |
| 10:23.38 | Arrowmaster | i got one from wowi and one from curse, and later i got one from the optin |
| 10:23.39 | Vilkku | I was actually at a LAN, knowing the keys would be sent out any day |
| 10:23.55 | nevcairiel | I got my key like one day before a LAN |
| 10:24.00 | Vilkku | I was all cool, "yeah guess who is going to play some sweet wotlk" |
| 10:24.07 | Vilkku | The key came the day after the LAN ended. |
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| 10:27.14 | Arrowmaster | Torhal, nevcairiel: any idea what this guy in #curseforge is talking about? |
| 10:27.23 | nevcairiel | none |
| 10:28.27 | Arrowmaster | i saw his "Anyone here at the moment?" the other day but he was already gone by then |
| 10:30.36 | frontendloader | Well now, aparently running Wow in wine causes my linux box to be unable to do any DNS lookups at all, including figuring out where logon.us.worldofwarcraft.com is... |
| 10:34.00 | airtonix | how do you know thats the reason |
| 10:35.23 | frontendloader | by running wine Wow.exe and trying to do a dns lookup |
| 10:35.27 | Arrowmaster | frontendloader: is your linux box 64bit? |
| 10:35.29 | frontendloader | closing it and trying again |
| 10:35.33 | frontendloader | no, 32 bit |
| 10:35.50 | Arrowmaster | oh i was going to blame a missing libnss-* something or other |
| 10:36.03 | frontendloader | I've been having trouble with this ever since 3.3.5 came out, today a new version of wine was released so I tried installing that to no avail |
| 10:36.28 | frontendloader | the last solution I've had sitting on the sidelines is patching the kernel, which I'm not entirely sure how to do in ubuntu |
| 10:36.33 | Arrowmaster | ive still got 1.1.43 i think |
| 10:36.34 | frontendloader | I've done it on gentoo systems a few times |
| 10:36.44 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: He was probably talking about a project. There were a couple that were iffy and with the slew of submissions since the beta announcement they kinda sat there |
| 10:36.44 | airtonix | use an older version of wine |
| 10:36.54 | Torhal | Oldest one right now is 16 hours |
| 10:37.03 | frontendloader | I did install 1.1.42 as well today |
| 10:37.09 | frontendloader | and I am running kernel version 2.6.32 |
| 10:37.10 | airtonix | i'm currently playing eve-online with wine. runs fine. |
| 10:37.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont think 1.1.42 can run current wow |
| 10:37.44 | airtonix | its a preamture release in my opinion. |
| 10:37.50 | ReAn | anyone on with invite powers in the alliance guild? |
| 10:37.51 | ReAn | US |
| 10:37.53 | frontendloader | http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/ubuntu/jaunty/ I couldn't find 1.1.43 :/ |
| 10:37.56 | Arrowmaster | my 1.1.43 has a special patch for the bnet login for running SC2 |
| 10:38.17 | Arrowmaster | i downloaded it from somewhere |
| 10:38.29 | Arrowmaster | that was linked in the SC2 appdb entry |
| 10:38.43 | airtonix | frontendloader, im using 1.2~rc6-0ubuntu1-karmicppa1 |
| 10:38.59 | frontendloader | yeah I was using that version earlier too |
| 10:39.33 | frontendloader | what does uname -a output for you airtonix |
| 10:39.49 | airtonix | Linux jadakren 2.6.31-22-generic-pae #60-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 27 01:40:15 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:40.00 | frontendloader | hrm |
| 10:40.05 | Arrowmaster | Linux tohsaka 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 1 04:34:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:40.06 | frontendloader | maybe I'll try rolling back a kernel version then |
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| 10:40.39 | airtonix | frontendloader, i can't use the latest kernel on my netbook either, (doesn't like the nvidia drivers) |
| 10:40.45 | frontendloader | aptitude can do that right? |
| 10:41.39 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: are you using the nvidia drivers directly from nvidia.com? |
| 10:42.23 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, not on my netbook, no. |
| 10:42.34 | Arrowmaster | ok, ive had to help a few people with that |
| 10:42.37 | cadabra | does anyone know a way to get a fontstring color to off of class..? aside from a big if/elseif with rgbs of the colors for each class. |
| 10:42.46 | cadabra | og off of * |
| 10:42.49 | cadabra | ugg |
| 10:42.50 | cadabra | go |
| 10:42.59 | Arrowmaster | since the installer from nvidia.com doesnt blacklist the new kernel modules that interfere with it |
| 10:43.20 | airtonix | yeah you need to black list about 5 or 6 modules |
| 10:43.34 | airtonix | on my netbook im using a recent Xorg nvidia ppa |
| 10:43.46 | Arrowmaster | on debian its only one module to blacklist |
| 10:44.33 | Arrowmaster | blacklist nouveau |
| 10:44.40 | Arrowmaster | thats all they added for it |
| 10:45.11 | Arrowmaster | ok off to watch tv show now |
| 10:45.19 | airtonix | 195.36.15-0ubuntu1~karmic~nvidiavdpauppa2 |
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| 10:51.37 | cbreak | cadabra: table lookup |
| 10:51.46 | cbreak | there's a RAID_CLASS_COLOR table |
| 10:52.26 | cbreak | hmm, it's RAID_CLASS_COLORS |
| 10:59.00 | Mirrormn | oh, is there? |
| 10:59.11 | Mirrormn | I just made my own table *shrug* |
| 10:59.24 | frontendloader | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23323 heres the thread with the most relevant information |
| 11:02.17 | cbreak | somehow premade pizza doesn't taste as good as self made :( |
| 11:03.00 | Mirrormn | " |
| 11:03.02 | Mirrormn | somehow" |
| 11:03.12 | cbreak | wonder if that's a compromise for long shelf life, or just skimpyness with the topping |
| 11:03.26 | Mirrormn | compromise for long shelf life, most likely |
| 11:04.28 | Wobster | Preservatives |
| 11:04.58 | cbreak | the only of those mentioned on the packaging is lots of salt |
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| 11:06.06 | Wobster | Flavourings |
| 11:06.08 | Wobster | Colourings =P |
| 11:07.18 | cbreak | this isn't america |
| 11:08.22 | cbreak | I think the biggest problem withthat pizza was that the tomato sauce was only applied in a thin, dry layer |
| 11:08.34 | cbreak | and that only little cheese was used |
| 11:08.43 | cbreak | not a single drop of olive oil on it either :( |
| 11:11.41 | frontendloader | sudo 1.7.2 really |
| 11:11.45 | frontendloader | that many versions of sudo? |
| 11:12.30 | Fisker | you seem surprised |
| 11:13.40 | airtonix | Fisker, You seem surprised ? |
| 11:13.55 | Mirrormn | airtonix, You seem sarcastic ? |
| 11:14.01 | airtonix | Mirrormn, :( |
| 11:14.37 | cbreak | sudo is a setuid app |
| 11:14.49 | cbreak | it's written in C and has a custom file format |
| 11:15.12 | Jamash | that's the great thing about unix |
| 11:15.24 | Jamash | every program has a different, incompatible config file syntax |
| 11:15.34 | cbreak | not every |
| 11:15.44 | cbreak | the syntax in most is similar |
| 11:16.01 | cbreak | (simple property=value style) |
| 11:16.09 | Jamash | except, not |
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| 11:16.19 | frontendloader | Jamash: except the ones that use YAML |
| 11:16.35 | Jamash | or comma delimited |
| 11:16.38 | Jamash | or tab delimited |
| 11:16.46 | cbreak | never seen |
| 11:16.48 | Mirrormn | I was reading recently the PiL section about using lua for C program configuration |
| 11:16.54 | Mirrormn | sounded pretty neat |
| 11:17.00 | Jamash | just look at etc, really |
| 11:17.02 | cbreak | I've seen lots of key=value and lots of custom formats |
| 11:17.39 | Jamash | find me two files from different programs in /etc that use identical syntax |
| 11:17.51 | cbreak | hmm. lots of key value |
| 11:18.37 | cbreak | ssh_config and man.conf look similar |
| 11:20.22 | Mirrormn | hmm |
| 11:20.31 | Mirrormn | fireball dot crits definitely proc Hot Streak |
| 11:22.51 | cbreak | will all be gone in cata |
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| 11:25.57 | Mirrormn | all what? |
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| 11:27.31 | cbreak | http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#o |
| 11:27.36 | cbreak | hot streak is changed |
| 11:28.12 | Mirrormn | I'm testing on beta |
| 11:28.36 | cbreak | hmm |
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| 11:35.50 | Jamash | so now we have spellstorm, frostfire and shadowfrost damage types |
| 11:35.58 | Mirrormn | we always did |
| 11:36.07 | Jamash | I mean spells that deal two types of damage |
| 11:36.13 | Mirrormn | there's actually a ton of weird damage types that are combinations |
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| 11:37.26 | Mirrormn | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT#Spell_School |
| 11:37.36 | Jamash | argh |
| 11:37.58 | Jamash | do these all actually occur in game? |
| 11:38.10 | cbreak | oh, look at that, it's a bit field :) |
| 11:38.38 | Mirrormn | eh, I dunno about a lot of them |
| 11:38.53 | cbreak | warlocks do chaos damage |
| 11:38.54 | Mirrormn | I think Mimiron's phase 1 tank blast thingy was spellstorm damage though |
| 11:39.03 | Mirrormn | yeah, but like |
| 11:39.03 | cbreak | their chaos bolt or what ever it was called |
| 11:39.05 | Mirrormn | Holystorm? |
| 11:39.48 | cbreak | I wanna do spellfrost damage |
| 11:39.53 | Jamash | you can in cata |
| 11:39.56 | Jamash | or wait, no |
| 11:39.59 | Mirrormn | I wanna do Divine damage |
| 11:40.02 | `-FISKER_Q\ | hey Jamash |
| 11:40.04 | `-FISKER_Q\ | you cannot stop me |
| 11:40.12 | Jamash | stops `-FISKER_Q |
| 11:40.22 | Jamash | wipes his hands, breaks for lunch. |
| 11:40.36 | `-FISKER_Q\ | :/ |
| 11:40.53 | Mirrormn | you sure told him |
| 11:40.56 | Jamash | O_O |
| 11:41.15 | cbreak | brutal... truly brutal |
| 11:41.24 | Mirrormn | why is there not just a simple windows shell extension that greps files? |
| 11:41.33 | cbreak | there is |
| 11:41.41 | Jamash | you said "simple" and "windows" in the same sentence |
| 11:41.44 | Mirrormn | what is it cawawlled |
| 11:41.52 | cbreak | let me remember |
| 11:41.57 | Mirrormn | well, ok |
| 11:42.09 | Jamash | wingrepshellextpower3.0freetrial |
| 11:42.14 | cbreak | it was a complete bash including lots of gnu tools |
| 11:42.23 | cbreak | c... hmm... |
| 11:42.28 | Mirrormn | why is there not just a needlessly complicated but still decently functional windows shell extension that greps files |
| 11:42.33 | Jamash | there's cygwin but I wouldn't call that simple |
| 11:42.38 | cbreak | yes! |
| 11:42.41 | cbreak | that's the one I meant |
| 11:42.48 | cbreak | it's simpler than cmd.exe |
| 11:42.52 | cbreak | and less painful than powershell |
| 11:43.02 | Mirrormn | I think our definitions of "shell extension" are varying here |
| 11:43.20 | cbreak | it's in a shell. |
| 11:43.22 | Jamash | cygwin is a full bore posix compatibility layer |
| 11:43.33 | Jamash | he means windows explorer right-click-to-search thing |
| 11:43.40 | cbreak | grep is not for searching |
| 11:43.44 | cbreak | it's for filtering |
| 11:43.48 | Mirrormn | yar, in the windows context, "shell extension" means an extension to Windows Explorer |
| 11:43.53 | cbreak | notepad++ probably has something like that |
| 11:44.02 | cbreak | (inside itself) |
| 11:44.13 | Mirrormn | I have notepad2, not notepad++ :( |
| 11:44.22 | cbreak | it's free I think |
| 11:44.25 | Jamash | if you click on the "Search" menu in notepad++ it pops open a menu that covers half your screen |
| 11:44.31 | Jamash | so yes, I'm sure it does that |
| 11:44.52 | Mirrormn | I actually have about 10 different text editors on my computer, come to think of it |
| 11:45.34 | Mirrormn | cause I was trying to find a decent wow addon development environment |
| 11:45.38 | Jamash | I think you need an intervention |
| 11:45.38 | cbreak | I have... TextWrangler, TextEdit, vim, nano, pico, emacs and a few specialized ones |
| 11:46.06 | cbreak | like TeXShop and similar |
| 11:46.15 | Jamash | I was using SciTE for wow addon development, but Notepad++ is basically SciTE but better |
| 11:46.31 | cbreak | my favorite is TextWrangler |
| 11:46.45 | cbreak | it's fast, lean, powerful enough, but stays out of the way |
| 11:47.49 | Jamash | Requires Mac OS X |
| 11:47.54 | airtonix | cbreak, you know that microsoft takes accepted standards, shits on them, and replaces it with memes that make it money while at the same time leaving the originals in the miniority |
| 11:47.58 | Mirrormn | Jamash: I finally settled on WoW UI Designer, despite its flaws |
| 11:48.30 | cbreak | Jamash: yes, it does. But there are probably similar apps for other platforms |
| 11:48.43 | cbreak | on windows I use notepad++, even though it seems a bit bloated |
| 11:48.52 | airtonix | cbreak, so in this instance, shell extension actually has nothing to do with a shell. the term refers to adding items to the context menu. |
| 11:48.53 | cbreak | on linux I use what ever's there, or vim |
| 11:49.03 | Mirrormn | I didn't like that notepad++ had a MDI |
| 11:49.12 | cbreak | airtonix: that sounds totally like them |
| 11:49.15 | Jamash | airtonix: Windows Explorer is the "shell", so it is correct in a sense |
| 11:49.21 | airtonix | pspad ? |
| 11:49.23 | Jamash | it's a gui shell |
| 11:49.35 | airtonix | yeah thats one of their steps in replacing the accepted standards |
| 11:49.43 | cbreak | powershell's a shell |
| 11:49.54 | cbreak | a quite unique one too |
| 11:50.08 | Mirrormn | well e had an option called "Filter through command..." |
| 11:50.09 | airtonix | emeditor ? |
| 11:50.11 | cbreak | it supports "cmd-lets" |
| 11:50.21 | Mirrormn | I tried to use it without knowing what it did and it froze the program |
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| 11:50.31 | airtonix | i know geany is available for windows |
| 11:50.43 | cbreak | there's a vim for windows |
| 11:50.48 | cbreak | you probably want to stay away from it |
| 11:50.48 | airtonix | so is mono-develop (but im not sure how far you'll get with lua on that ) |
| 11:50.56 | airtonix | also : aptana is pretty win |
| 11:51.11 | Jamash | what's wrong with MDI? |
| 11:51.20 | airtonix | it confuses the little ones |
| 11:52.13 | cbreak | I don't like it |
| 11:52.14 | airtonix | you mean i have this one phone in my left hand and a phone in my right hand, BUT but, they're the same phone! |
| 11:52.21 | airtonix | wtf? |
| 11:52.27 | Mirrormn | MDI is all right for some things but I just wanted a program to replace notepad wholesale |
| 11:52.32 | cbreak | it's ok for Web Browsers where I can use it to group contextually similar tabs into a window |
| 11:52.45 | airtonix | Mirrormn, you need a program like leafpad |
| 11:52.53 | Mirrormn | well I got notepad2 |
| 11:52.57 | airtonix | no |
| 11:52.57 | Mirrormn | and it's fine for that |
| 11:53.04 | airtonix | leafpad is just like notepad except |
| 11:53.10 | cbreak | but for text editors, I want each document to have it's window, which I can put on which ever screen I want |
| 11:53.19 | airtonix | it has line numbering and deals with line endings properly |
| 11:53.31 | airtonix | and loads really fucking fast |
| 11:53.35 | Mirrormn | that's what notepad2 is line |
| 11:53.37 | Mirrormn | *like |
| 11:53.41 | airtonix | no its not |
| 11:53.45 | airtonix | i know what its like |
| 11:53.50 | airtonix | its more like vs 2008 |
| 11:53.53 | Jamash | in the magical world of the future, we have this thing called "drag" and also this thing called "drop" which you can use to "tear" "tabs" off of "notepad++" into a new "window" whenever you "like" |
| 11:54.16 | Mirrormn | vs? |
| 11:54.22 | airtonix | visual studio ? |
| 11:54.34 | airtonix | its nowhere near as simple as leafpad is |
| 11:54.57 | airtonix | another like it is mousepad |
| 11:55.03 | airtonix | ultra simple text editors |
| 11:55.07 | Mirrormn | notepad2 is nothing like visual studio... |
| 11:55.14 | airtonix | its also nothing like notepad |
| 11:55.36 | Fisker | why does Virtualbox hate me? |
| 11:55.44 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure you know what you're talking about here |
| 11:55.59 | airtonix | [ notepad ---+-----------------------------------notepad2----------------------------------------------|400 columns later|----Visual Studio ] |
| 11:56.05 | airtonix | + = leafpad |
| 11:56.25 | airtonix | notepad2 has wuite alot of features |
| 11:56.28 | airtonix | quite* |
| 11:56.47 | Mirrormn | all right, sure |
| 11:56.58 | Mirrormn | so why do I want less features? |
| 11:57.01 | airtonix | so when you say you need a program like notepad |
| 11:57.08 | airtonix | a simple one |
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| 11:57.30 | airtonix | notepad is not a simple one to consider. |
| 11:57.35 | airtonix | notepad2* |
| 11:57.38 | Jamash | When I want a program like notepad I use notepad. |
| 11:57.43 | airtonix | yeah well |
| 11:58.01 | airtonix | there you go |
| 11:58.04 | Jamash | It manages to encompass the "notepad" set of features remarkably well. |
| 11:58.15 | airtonix | minus line numbering |
| 11:58.24 | Mirrormn | well, notepad2 operates how I want it to in a replacement and it loads instantly so I don't see how having less features benefits me |
| 11:58.45 | airtonix | then you can't say you want an editor "like notepad" |
| 11:58.54 | airtonix | because its not really "like notepad" |
| 11:59.05 | Mirrormn | I'm not sure I ever even said that |
| 11:59.10 | airtonix | i think you did |
| 11:59.16 | Mirrormn | I think I said I wanted something to replace notepad wholesale |
| 11:59.25 | airtonix | yeah and ? |
| 12:00.03 | Jamash | any text editor can replace notepad wholesale |
| 12:00.38 | Mirrormn | well, most editors have multiple document interfaces, which I didn't want in a notepad replacement -.- |
| 12:00.46 | Jamash | aha |
| 12:00.53 | Mirrormn | that was the whole point! |
| 12:00.55 | airtonix | isn't that what notepad2 does ? |
| 12:00.56 | Jamash | so you do want fewer features |
| 12:01.20 | Mirrormn | no, I specifically didn't want one single feature which I found to be contrary to my expectations and needs |
| 12:01.33 | airtonix | like notepad2 has ? |
| 12:01.51 | Mirrormn | no, notepad2 does not have MDI |
| 12:02.01 | Mirrormn | which is exactly why I have it instead of notepad++ |
| 12:02.02 | Mirrormn | which does |
| 12:02.14 | airtonix | can you clarfiy that for me |
| 12:02.32 | Mirrormn | are you confused as to why I don't want MDI? |
| 12:02.44 | airtonix | no |
| 12:02.53 | Mirrormn | well I don't see anything else to clarify |
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| 12:03.00 | airtonix | i think to be confused means i knew why in the first place |
| 12:03.02 | Jamash | I'm not sure that the phrase "notepad replacement" is meaningful. |
| 12:03.48 | airtonix | so you want tabbed documents ? |
| 12:03.51 | Mirrormn | it is if I actually went into the windows folder, deleted notepad.exe, and replaced it with notepad2, which is named notepad.exe in there |
| 12:04.09 | Jamash | did you? |
| 12:04.12 | Mirrormn | yeah |
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| 12:04.37 | Jamash | why? |
| 12:04.57 | airtonix | so you never load an MDI text editor up by accident |
| 12:05.07 | Mirrormn | mostly so windows will automatically suggest for me to use it when it runs into a file type it doesn't understand |
| 12:05.26 | airtonix | easier than changing four thousand references in regedit ? |
| 12:05.46 | Mirrormn | I'm not opposed to MDI, airtonix |
| 12:05.57 | Mirrormn | it's just sometimes I just want to look at a text file |
| 12:06.14 | airtonix | doesn't windows say open mime-blah with : user-chosen-text-editor and then provide you with a config ui to propose your desired text-editor ? |
| 12:06.37 | Mirrormn | I don't think so |
| 12:06.41 | airtonix | or does it actually say : open mime-blah with lol-app.exe ? |
| 12:07.07 | Mirrormn | if you try to open a file with an unknown type |
| 12:07.25 | Mirrormn | first it asks you whether you want to look for that type on the web, or choose a program to open it with |
| 12:07.41 | Mirrormn | then it brings you to a screen with a list of programs it suggests you open it with |
| 12:07.46 | airtonix | so it never can understand the two halves of a mime-type ? |
| 12:08.13 | airtonix | last time i looked text based mime types had the word text in it right ? |
| 12:08.39 | Mirrormn | why are we talking about mime types? |
| 12:08.53 | airtonix | its how my operating system determines a file type |
| 12:09.04 | Mirrormn | I don't think windows does that |
| 12:09.04 | airtonix | that or magic bytes |
| 12:09.32 | Mirrormn | windows just uses the .xxx filename extension |
| 12:09.33 | airtonix | really? i thought i saw that somewhere |
| 12:09.40 | Mirrormn | which it normally hides from you |
| 12:09.46 | airtonix | useful |
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| 12:11.46 | Mirrormn | anyway, the point is, I just don't like having MDI for my most defaultist of default programs, I just want it to open instantly and have a modicum of features |
| 12:11.50 | ScytheBlade1 | so last night, I spent many hours hacking at a kernel upgrade for my router, and this morning I realize that I was building a 64-bit kernel for a 32-bit chip the entire time. |
| 12:11.53 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 12:12.01 | airtonix | lol |
| 12:13.02 | airtonix | Mirrormn, MDI is multiple documents in one interface ? not multiple windows for one program ? |
| 12:13.12 | airtonix | im confused here |
| 12:13.20 | Jamash | MDI is the old name for tabs |
| 12:13.24 | airtonix | ah |
| 12:13.29 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 12:13.40 | airtonix | but the wiki for MDI says gimp is an MDI |
| 12:13.51 | Jamash | gimp isn't anything |
| 12:13.53 | Jamash | it's a freak |
| 12:13.57 | airtonix | multiple windows for one program, |
| 12:14.03 | Mirrormn | I would say gimp uses an MDI, yes |
| 12:14.07 | Jamash | I wouldn't |
| 12:14.10 | Mirrormn | tabs would be a sub-type of MDI |
| 12:14.16 | airtonix | and SDI ? |
| 12:14.18 | Mirrormn | a specific implementation |
| 12:14.41 | Mirrormn | what about SDI? |
| 12:14.54 | Jamash | on wikipedia they're showing a development build of gimp which uses a MDI |
| 12:15.10 | Jamash | current gimp uses a "windows everywhere get them off augh" interface |
| 12:16.45 | Mirrormn | well, SciTE has a Mark All feature for it's Find |
| 12:16.49 | Mirrormn | but that's about it |
| 12:16.58 | Jamash | I refer to the gimp style of user interface as the "space alien" interface |
| 12:17.20 | Jamash | one designed neither by nor for human beings |
| 12:17.32 | cbreak | Jamash: gimp is easy |
| 12:17.36 | cbreak | try to use blender |
| 12:17.47 | Jamash | I'd rather not |
| 12:17.57 | cbreak | I dare you. |
| 12:18.12 | Jamash | isn't that a 3D modeling/rendering program? |
| 12:19.07 | cbreak | yes. |
| 12:19.16 | cbreak | it has also a game engine built in |
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| 12:19.28 | Jamash | my level of comfort with 3D modeling starts and ends with play-doh |
| 12:19.28 | xanax` | hello |
| 12:19.32 | cbreak | I work in the same office as an artist who uses it |
| 12:19.45 | cbreak | it's complicated... I have no idea how he creates all those things |
| 12:19.58 | cbreak | (although, most of the time he seems to use zBrush or maya) |
| 12:20.03 | xanax` | is there an addon that could automatically select the ennemy who is attacking me ? |
| 12:20.20 | cbreak | addons can't select things, selecting is a protected function |
| 12:20.21 | Jamash | doesn't wow automatically do that if you have no target? |
| 12:20.44 | Mirrormn | yep |
| 12:20.48 | xanax` | hmm |
| 12:21.09 | Mirrormn | well I downloaded Windows Grep, and it doesn't seem to even work |
| 12:23.28 | cbreak | funny... |
| 12:23.44 | cbreak | a filter program doesn't seem too tricky to write |
| 12:24.44 | Mirrormn | I'm sure I could have written a small Java program to do exactly what I wanted to do in 1/10 the time I have spent trying to find program to do it |
| 12:25.47 | cbreak | yeah. and maybe it would even be done grepping by now :) |
| 12:25.54 | cbreak | (in the remaining 9 tenths) |
| 12:25.56 | Mirrormn | haha |
| 12:26.39 | Jamash | xanax`: there's a keybinding for Target Last Hostile |
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| 12:27.16 | cbreak | I think that means "the last hostile I targeted" |
| 12:27.18 | Mirrormn | I was actually reading an article recently that claimed that most basic Java tasks have at worst a 10% slowdown over analagous C ones |
| 12:27.25 | cbreak | not "the last hoistile that targeted me" |
| 12:27.48 | cbreak | the problem with Java is memory overhead, JIT overhead, GC overhead |
| 12:28.02 | Jamash | oh |
| 12:29.45 | Mirrormn | I told this Windows Grep program to search every file in my WoW Beta folder |
| 12:29.57 | Mirrormn | that was unwise |
| 12:30.19 | cbreak | grep is not for searching |
| 12:30.22 | cbreak | it's for filtering |
| 12:30.30 | cbreak | if you want to search, why not just use the system's search? |
| 12:30.35 | cbreak | spotlight works rather nicely |
| 12:30.40 | Mirrormn | I didn't want to search |
| 12:30.54 | Mirrormn | but this program wouldn't even let me select a specific file |
| 12:31.02 | Mirrormn | so I think it's very confused as to what it actually should do |
| 12:31.09 | frontendloader | piping grep to itself multiple times is silly |
| 12:32.01 | Mirrormn | anyway, at least this program has a stop button |
| 12:34.09 | Mirrormn | d'oh |
| 12:34.12 | Mirrormn | I forgot |
| 12:34.18 | batrick | it's satisfying flagging fox news android app as abusive for "hateful content" |
| 12:34.26 | robokitty | :P |
| 12:34.37 | Mirrormn | I actually already have a java program that searches through a wow combat log and parses all the fields |
| 12:34.39 | Mirrormn | bwaaaah |
| 12:35.36 | frontendloader | I did something like that in perl once, it turns each player/unit into its own object and loads the results into a mongodb |
| 12:36.57 | Mirrormn | mine was simply to search through a combat log of BQL |
| 12:37.09 | Mirrormn | keep a log of people who were affected by the bite |
| 12:37.16 | Mirrormn | and edit the log to cut their damage in half |
| 12:37.28 | Mirrormn | and then write it back out to text |
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| 12:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | cries a little, and may wind up using a config from a 2.6.18 kernel for 2.6.34 (/wrists!) |
| 12:38.16 | Xinhuan | yep the 4th time one o fmy friends got temp-banned for mailing gold between his own chars (within the same wow account) |
| 12:38.25 | Xinhuan | what the fuck is blizz doing |
| 12:40.40 | cbreak | did they pay money transfer taxes? |
| 12:41.00 | frontendloader | ScytheBlade1: still having problems with wine/wow? |
| 12:41.10 | fiphi | Xinhuan: Wtf, why did he get banned for that? |
| 12:41.16 | ScytheBlade1 | frontendloader: no, router |
| 12:41.29 | Xinhuan | it seems like they 72-hour ban anyone mailling more than 30k to yourself (to an alt) |
| 12:41.34 | frontendloader | Xinhuan: no idea how that could happen, I've mailed /the goldcap/ between characters |
| 12:41.37 | Xinhuan | for "economy expolit" |
| 12:41.38 | fiphi | Oh snap |
| 12:41.38 | frontendloader | multiple times |
| 12:41.45 | fiphi | More than 30k... |
| 12:41.49 | cbreak | sc2 still seems broken :( |
| 12:41.56 | Xinhuan | well i myself haven't got banned for mailing 60k |
| 12:42.04 | fiphi | I've never seen that much gold. :| |
| 12:42.06 | Xinhuan | but a few of my friends keep getting banned |
| 12:42.10 | Xinhuan | well when you do GKPs every week |
| 12:42.15 | Xinhuan | you get to see 100k every few days |
| 12:42.17 | fiphi | GKP? |
| 12:42.27 | Xinhuan | gold dkp |
| 12:42.33 | fiphi | Ah, from the guild bank |
| 12:42.35 | fiphi | ? |
| 12:42.41 | Xinhuan | essentially a pug 25 raiding system |
| 12:42.54 | Xinhuan | where you bid for items with gold, and at the end of the raid, the gold pot is split evenly |
| 12:42.56 | Xinhuan | among all 25 |
| 12:42.59 | Mirrormn | so that literally took about 5 minutes |
| 12:43.08 | Xinhuan | so its the same as zero sum dkp system except the gold you have is your dkp |
| 12:43.12 | Mirrormn | apparently, I cast 112 Scorches |
| 12:43.15 | fiphi | Xinhuan: The gold being looted? But that gets automatically shared? |
| 12:43.17 | Mirrormn | and 85 of them were crits |
| 12:43.23 | Xinhuan | nah, a master looter takes it all |
| 12:43.25 | Xinhuan | until the end of raid |
| 12:43.28 | fiphi | Oh. |
| 12:43.37 | Xinhuan | it encourages everyone to stay till the end too |
| 12:43.39 | fiphi | I thought money didn't count in master looting. |
| 12:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | fiphi: no, you bid gold for items |
| 12:43.41 | Xinhuan | since if you leave early u get nothing |
| 12:43.56 | Xinhuan | a typical gkp for me earns 7k-12k |
| 12:44.02 | Xinhuan | depending on whether any trinkets dropped |
| 12:44.07 | fiphi | Hmm, tricky. I haven't heard of any guild on my server using it. |
| 12:44.15 | fiphi | Most use regular dkp. |
| 12:44.20 | fiphi | Some zero sum. |
| 12:44.24 | Mirrormn | leading to a crit rate of 76% |
| 12:44.24 | Xinhuan | typical boss that earns the most is heroic BQL, followed by heroic saurfang |
| 12:44.29 | Mirrormn | which seem pretty ridiculous |
| 12:44.38 | Xinhuan | i think lich king kills earn almost nothing |
| 12:44.43 | Xinhuan | since nobody really wants 271 items |
| 12:44.43 | fiphi | Mirrormn: You're fire mage? |
| 12:44.48 | Mirrormn | yes |
| 12:44.53 | fiphi | Xinhuan: Why doesn't anyone want anything? |
| 12:44.54 | Mirrormn | but this is on beta |
| 12:44.59 | fiphi | Aw. |
| 12:45.02 | Xinhuan | because 277 weapons > 271 LK ones |
| 12:45.03 | fiphi | I wanted to see a spec. :) |
| 12:45.04 | Mirrormn | where the character sheet says my crit rate is 11.24% |
| 12:45.07 | fiphi | Xinhuan: RS ones? |
| 12:45.15 | Xinhuan | 277 == hard modes icc |
| 12:45.18 | fiphi | Aj. |
| 12:45.19 | fiphi | h |
| 12:45.36 | Mirrormn | so, character sheet says 11.24% |
| 12:45.48 | Mirrormn | actual crit rate is 75.89% |
| 12:45.48 | Xinhuan | many of the pugs on my server can easily clear 12/12 with at least 3 hards now |
| 12:45.55 | Mirrormn | somethin's not quite right there |
| 12:46.09 | fiphi | Mirrormn: Nicely placed talents? |
| 12:46.18 | Mirrormn | there are no crit talents |
| 12:46.29 | Mirrormn | they took them out |
| 12:46.40 | Mirrormn | and they say Mastery is NYI |
| 12:46.57 | Mirrormn | I think it must be implemented and it's just not saying what it does |
| 12:46.59 | fiphi | Huh, no crit talents at all? |
| 12:47.04 | Mirrormn | well |
| 12:47.08 | Mirrormn | there's incineration |
| 12:47.11 | Mirrormn | that's the only one |
| 12:47.16 | Mirrormn | and it doesn't affect scorch |
| 12:47.16 | fiphi | Hmm. |
| 12:47.40 | fiphi | I had my friend do my spec, it's fire with a touch of arcane. |
| 12:47.40 | Mirrormn | oh, there's piercing ice too |
| 12:47.43 | Mirrormn | but I don't have that |
| 12:47.59 | Mirrormn | oh |
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| 12:48.16 | Mirrormn | there is 15% increased chance to crit for the next two spells after clearcasting |
| 12:48.19 | Mirrormn | I forgot about that |
| 12:48.27 | fiphi | Hmmm, is that a new beta one? |
| 12:48.31 | fiphi | I don't have that I think... |
| 12:48.34 | fiphi | I do have clearcasting though. |
| 12:48.43 | Mirrormn | on live, it's a deep arcane talent |
| 12:48.48 | fiphi | Okay. |
| 12:48.53 | Mirrormn | they moved it up to tier 2 on beta |
| 12:48.57 | Mirrormn | and increased it |
| 12:48.58 | Mirrormn | I think |
| 12:48.59 | fiphi | How many points do you have in arcane? |
| 12:49.06 | Mirrormn | I'm 8/31/0 |
| 12:49.15 | fiphi | That sounds... little. |
| 12:49.22 | fiphi | New system in beta? |
| 12:49.24 | Mirrormn | beta talent trees are much smaller |
| 12:49.32 | fiphi | Hmm. |
| 12:49.47 | fiphi | So you're not getting a point per level any more? |
| 12:49.57 | Mirrormn | the idea was to take out a lot of the passive damage increase, range increase, etc. and make it baseline |
| 12:50.04 | Mirrormn | no, you don't get a talent point every level |
| 12:50.15 | fiphi | So talents are more active spells and usage functions? |
| 12:50.16 | Mirrormn | I think they said they wanted it to alternate talent point / new skills |
| 12:50.18 | fiphi | Rather than passive? |
| 12:50.24 | Mirrormn | eh |
| 12:50.32 | Mirrormn | they're mostly procs and such |
| 12:50.35 | fiphi | Okay. |
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| 12:52.27 | Mirrormn | anyway, the point is |
| 12:52.37 | Mirrormn | 76% crit wtfux |
| 12:55.01 | Mrruben5 | Lol http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12505-IceStone.html |
| 12:58.16 | frontendloader | still no luck in kernel 2.6.35 :/ |
| 12:58.22 | frontendloader | maybe it is time to wipe this system |
| 12:59.12 | Mirrormn | why can I not seem to find the cataclysm forums? |
| 12:59.15 | Mirrormn | am I stupid? |
| 12:59.40 | Mrruben5 | heh bookmark it :P |
| 12:59.50 | Mirrormn | I can't even find them! |
| 13:00.06 | Mirrormn | I keep getting redirected to the non-beta cataclysm forum |
| 13:00.22 | Xinhuan | log out |
| 13:00.27 | Xinhuan | of the non-beta ones first |
| 13:02.18 | Mirrormn | I just googled "beta site:worldofwarcraft.com", finally found it |
| 13:02.26 | Mirrormn | they're like fucking super secret ninja forums though |
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| 13:30.06 | Fisker | slaps Xinhuan around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:30.34 | A-KO | so did anyone see Inception? |
| 13:34.13 | Fisker | slaps A-KO around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:34.30 | Fisker | Me and your mom saw conception |
| 13:34.32 | Fisker | BAM |
| 13:36.30 | Mirrormn | Jamash Jamash Jamash Jamash Jamash Jamash Jamash |
| 13:38.13 | A-KO | hmm |
| 13:38.18 | A-KO | shall I take the drive to Luray Caverns today |
| 13:38.19 | A-KO | that is the question |
| 13:42.25 | Fisker | The question really is whether or not you'll blend A-KO |
| 13:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | so, it helps to build NAT into the kernel when you need NAT. |
| 13:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea how this data is being sent, as in theory, my router is not NAT enabled at the moment. |
| 13:49.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is tricky. |
| 13:50.02 | nevcairiel | sending data is no problem without NAT |
| 13:50.07 | nevcairiel | receiving the responses on the other hand |
| 13:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | 09:50 < nevcairiel> receiving the responses on the other hand |
| 13:50.15 | ScytheBlade1 | hai |
| 13:50.52 | ScytheBlade1 | router:~# iptables -L -v -n -t nat |
| 13:50.56 | ScytheBlade1 | iptables v1.4.2: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist |
| 13:50.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ right now |
| 13:51.14 | ScytheBlade1 | desktop, behind not-NAT, is working with this TCP connection. Over reboots. |
| 13:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | ?! |
| 13:52.19 | nevcairiel | maybe you're just forwarding everything? |
| 13:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) |
| 13:52.56 | nevcairiel | or attached the modem to your comp and forgot about it? :d |
| 13:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 13:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | router:~# ping google.com |
| 13:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | PING google.com (74.125.19.147) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 13:53.14 | ScytheBlade1 | 64 bytes from nuq04s01-in-f147.1e100.net (74.125.19.147): icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=57.8 m |
| 13:53.17 | ScytheBlade1 | (note hostname) |
| 13:53.44 | nevcairiel | what about the hostname? |
| 13:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | it is "router" |
| 13:53.53 | ScytheBlade1 | my router has connectivity |
| 13:53.56 | ScytheBlade1 | my desktop does not |
| 13:53.57 | ScytheBlade1 | EXCEPT |
| 13:53.59 | ScytheBlade1 | For this TCP stream |
| 13:54.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ?! |
| 13:54.09 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 13:54.30 | ScytheBlade1 | serious wtf is going on here |
| 13:54.58 | ScytheBlade1 | the router even rebooted. took a good 4ish minutes to do so before it came back online |
| 13:55.08 | ScytheBlade1 | and... this, and only this, TCP stream is still active |
| 13:55.25 | ScytheBlade1 | err. wow. |
| 13:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | it is actually connected over my IPv6 tunnel. |
| 13:55.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind! All is good! |
| 13:55.41 | ScytheBlade1 | NAT not needed! |
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| 13:55.49 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:55.58 | nevcairiel | i should set that up for me |
| 13:56.01 | nevcairiel | but i'm too lazy |
| 13:56.06 | ScytheBlade1 | so I can browse the ipv6 web |
| 13:56.27 | ScytheBlade1 | which is actually a lot, considering that all of google's services are IPv6 enabled for me |
| 13:58.00 | ScytheBlade1 | tcp 0 0 desktop.averageurl.co:51176 winterspring.averageu:46683 ESTABLISHED |
| 13:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | brb, another reboot. |
| 14:02.05 | ScytheBlade1 | that is marginally better |
| 14:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | new kernel fixed speed issues! |
| 14:05.39 | ScytheBlade1 | or not |
| 14:05.40 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
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| 14:22.23 | Cide2 | hi |
| 14:23.47 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 14:24.00 | Cairenn|afk | wheee, double the fun, 2 Cides! |
| 14:24.18 | Maldivia | Cairenn|afk: I'd rather have 2 ciders :) |
| 14:24.27 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 14:24.36 | Cide | you're weak, Maldivia |
| 14:26.00 | Maldivia | ... says the person who has to bring backup :P |
| 14:26.25 | ScytheBlade1 | so I think I have determined that my router is what is preventing me from streaming low-quality youtube. |
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| 14:26.48 | Maldivia | SB1: why do you want to stream the low quality stuff anyway :P |
| 14:26.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Any of the higher stuff, I can't even try |
| 14:28.22 | ScytheBlade1 | to be specific, the NICs are likely the issue |
| 14:33.20 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: dont have a spare router to try? |
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| 14:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: I craptastic wrt54g rev5 |
| 14:36.04 | Cide | you happy Maldivia? |
| 14:36.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: the one with so little memory it is worthless |
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| 14:51.35 | Fisker | i'd rather have 2 Fiskers |
| 14:51.45 | airtonix | um |
| 14:51.51 | airtonix | i would like |
| 14:52.00 | airtonix | some roasted vegetables |
| 14:52.02 | airtonix | and |
| 14:52.08 | airtonix | a blueberry pie |
| 14:52.17 | airtonix | go NOW fisker |
| 14:52.21 | Thunder_Child | together? |
| 14:52.23 | airtonix | and serve thy master |
| 14:52.29 | Fisker | not until there are 2 Fiskers |
| 14:52.36 | airtonix | copies fisker |
| 14:52.38 | airtonix | GO! |
| 14:52.47 | Fisker | makes the copy do it |
| 14:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | sigh |
| 14:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | new router time! |
| 14:53.43 | ScytheBlade1 | afk |
| 14:53.46 | Fisker | why so new router? |
| 14:53.49 | Fisker | stop ScytheBlade1 |
| 14:53.50 | Fisker | i love you |
| 14:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | good, I need it, because walmart is the only place that has it nearby |
| 14:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I NEED ALL THE LOVE IN THE WORLD TO SURVIVE THIS ENCOUNTER |
| 14:54.19 | airtonix | walmart sells love ? |
| 14:54.26 | ScytheBlade1 | no, they suck it dry |
| 14:54.31 | airtonix | oh |
| 14:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | and transform it into clouds of despair |
| 14:54.35 | airtonix | i wont go here then |
| 14:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | afk :/ |
| 14:55.50 | smcn | ffs, dungeon ragequits on beta are more common than live |
| 15:00.32 | Cide | obviously? |
| 15:02.08 | Fisker | i think you mean "ffs, dungeon wipes/crashes/bugs are more common than on live" |
| 15:02.18 | Fisker | on beta* |
| 15:02.27 | Fisker | i.e. more on beta than on linve* |
| 15:02.37 | Fisker | damn i suck at correcting myself too |
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| 15:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | so I was in the store for less than four minutes |
| 15:21.58 | Stanzilla | Fisker: yes you suck |
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| 15:27.30 | Ressy | I find getting in and then out of walmart as fast as possible is always a good idea. What router you get? |
| 15:29.56 | Fisker | Fisher Price - My first router |
| 15:30.06 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 15:30.19 | Ressy | lol |
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| 15:31.39 | Ressy | I wish they had that kinda stuff to be honest. Then I could take my spare keyboard back from the kiddo without him freaking |
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| 15:40.19 | Cide | ~fisker++ |
| 15:40.23 | Cide | ~karma Fisker |
| 15:40.23 | purl | fisker has karma of 9 |
| 15:40.28 | Cide | why does fisker have a karma of 9 |
| 15:40.33 | Cide | this is worrying |
| 15:41.40 | Kalroth | haha |
| 15:41.52 | Kalroth | <Cide> ~fisker++ <- look who's talking! |
| 15:42.11 | Cide | well he deserved that one |
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| 15:46.54 | nevcairiel | we always up his karma because he hates it |
| 15:49.13 | Arrowmaster | NO FUCKING WONDER I RAN OUT OF HARDDRIVE SPACE! |
| 15:49.27 | Arrowmaster | the god damn SC2 downloader uses DOUBLE what it says |
| 15:49.58 | cbreak | backups |
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| 15:50.11 | cbreak | recently got two 2TB drives for fairly cheap |
| 15:50.12 | Arrowmaster | the dir i saved it to is 7GB and the wine prefix i used for it is 7.5GB |
| 15:50.19 | cbreak | it's impressive how those prices fell |
| 15:50.49 | cbreak | do you people read EULAs/AGBs before accepting them? |
| 15:50.51 | Kalroth | SC2 downloader downloads to a temp folder and extracts to another folder |
| 15:51.07 | Arrowmaster | and doesnt delete the temp files when it exits |
| 15:51.15 | Kalroth | probably not, no |
| 15:51.58 | Kalroth | but what cbreak said, harddrive space is the new black |
| 15:52.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know ive got over 5TB |
| 15:52.25 | Arrowmaster | but my home dir is only on a 300gb partition |
| 15:53.22 | Fisker | didn't do that here Kalroth |
| 15:53.23 | Fisker | O_o |
| 15:53.32 | Kalroth | ~fisker++ |
| 15:55.12 | Arrowmaster | ~fisker++ |
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| 15:59.30 | Fisker | you guys are jerks |
| 15:59.43 | Arrowmaster | we love you too |
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| 16:00.25 | Torhal | Fisker: We may be jerks, but we were wondering: Are you a yankee or a pulley? |
| 16:00.27 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:00.47 | Fisker | a wat? |
| 16:01.22 | Lunessa | Torhal: bad pun earns you -5 Lunessa Rep |
| 16:02.47 | Torhal | Lunessa: Woor! |
| 16:03.08 | Torhal | That is not a typo. Fuck "woot". |
| 16:03.10 | Fisker | stop making sounds in my irc Torhal |
| 16:03.19 | Torhal | tries to wake up and fails. |
| 16:03.31 | |Jelly| | tries to get excited about work and fails. |
| 16:04.41 | Morkesh | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/units.jpg so true |
| 16:04.43 | Lunessa | is also at work. Saturday work blows goats. |
| 16:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | so ddwrt is impossible to configure |
| 16:05.46 | cbreak | I configured it |
| 16:05.53 | |Jelly| | I don't go in until 1 but I also don't get off until 10. |
| 16:05.57 | cbreak | I have a wireless bridge running with DD-WRT |
| 16:06.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I have five ethernet ports (1+4) and it sees... two. |
| 16:06.04 | |Jelly| | Maybe something awesome will happen and I'll make another lady cry. |
| 16:06.11 | nevcairiel | sounds like your hardware isnt supported |
| 16:06.13 | Torhal | |Jelly|: Same here. So it's now showahtime. |
| 16:06.14 | cbreak | so the cable ethernet in my sister's room is wirelessly linked with that in my room |
| 16:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | it sees two wifi cards, so it is as supported as I need it |
| 16:06.59 | cbreak | I use it on a Linksys WRT54G2 |
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| 16:07.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122326 |
| 16:07.20 | ScytheBlade1 | is what I picked up |
| 16:07.23 | Fisker | do you actually have anything plugged in ScytheBlade1 ? |
| 16:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | :o @ Fisker |
| 16:07.32 | ScytheBlade1 | THAT'S IT! GENIUS! |
| 16:07.39 | Fisker | No problem. |
| 16:08.49 | Dagmar | cbreak: Fair warning... if you left the password at default, I'll eventually turn off your internets |
| 16:08.58 | ScytheBlade1 | it isn't cloning my MAC either |
| 16:09.14 | Fisker | that however i have experienced issues with as well |
| 16:09.21 | Fisker | Well actually it works |
| 16:09.34 | cbreak | Dagmar: I didn't, and it's internal only |
| 16:09.41 | Fisker | but it seems that if i lose power i have to reapply it after it's up again |
| 16:09.42 | cbreak | it's behind the NAT of my other router |
| 16:10.33 | cbreak | ScytheBlade1: what mode do you want to run it in? |
| 16:10.42 | cbreak | usually, MAC cloning is not useful |
| 16:10.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I want eth0 to have a public IP, and it to clone the MAC of my current router (so my IP doesn't change) |
| 16:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I want eth0 to be my private subnet, using NAT |
| 16:11.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I want eth1* to be my private subnet, using NAT |
| 16:11.15 | Fisker | mac cloning is useful for me because i have to call the ISP to change my registered mac addresss for my public IP :P |
| 16:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I also do not want ath0/ath1/eth1 bridged |
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| 16:12.17 | cbreak | so, you want it as normal router |
| 16:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 16:12.27 | ScytheBlade1 | for lack of a better term |
| 16:13.06 | Dagmar | Why didn't you just buy a wrt54gl then? |
| 16:13.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Distinct lack of gigabit and wifi-n |
| 16:13.53 | Dagmar | I can get into that |
| 16:14.03 | nevcairiel | When i sometime in this century get a n capable laptop, i should probably get a new router/ap |
| 16:14.16 | nevcairiel | although for gigabit i have this nice real switch |
| 16:14.19 | Dagmar | Just trying to wrap my head aroudn why you didn't buy something actually supported |
| 16:14.23 | ScytheBlade1 | .. |
| 16:14.39 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database |
| 16:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Type in "3700" |
| 16:14.43 | cbreak | why did you install DD-WRT? |
| 16:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | See what pops up |
| 16:14.57 | cbreak | I installed it because I wanted to use it as bridge, which was not supported by vendor firmware |
| 16:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | because I want advanced features such as protocol-based packet forwarding |
| 16:15.10 | ScytheBlade1 | protocol 41 --> another device |
| 16:15.15 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Nothing pops up |
| 16:15.29 | ScytheBlade1 | .. it pops up here, check your javascript |
| 16:15.38 | Dagmar | Oh wait... they jsut have crap design |
| 16:16.15 | ScytheBlade1 | what was the other popular router firmware? |
| 16:16.34 | cbreak | there are many for broadcom chipsets. OpenWRT, DD-WRT, TomatoWRT? |
| 16:16.52 | nevcairiel | its all based on the old once open-sourced wrt code |
| 16:16.57 | cbreak | I found DD-WRT reasonably easy to set up |
| 16:17.09 | ScytheBlade1 | dd-wrt is needlessly complicated |
| 16:17.10 | cbreak | scary though |
| 16:17.15 | cbreak | since I had to use Windows :/ |
| 16:17.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I can configure my "router IP" in three different places, without differentiating between interfaces |
| 16:17.27 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? |
| 16:17.39 | nevcairiel | maybe your model just has a weird thing |
| 16:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI is universal |
| 16:17.51 | ScytheBlade1 | *universal |
| 16:17.53 | cbreak | which places? |
| 16:17.57 | nevcairiel | i have an original wrt54g, and its running perfectly fine, never had config weirdnesses in it |
| 16:17.59 | Fisker | nah |
| 16:18.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have to have it plugged in again |
| 16:18.01 | Fisker | dd-wrt is easy |
| 16:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Using my old one right now |
| 16:18.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Trying to find decent docs on the thing |
| 16:18.14 | Fisker | if it's needlessly complicated it's because you don't need it's functionality in my opinion |
| 16:18.15 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 16:18.21 | ScytheBlade1 | stabinates Fisker |
| 16:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Fisker++ |
| 16:18.30 | ScytheBlade1 | take taht! |
| 16:18.31 | ScytheBlade1 | *that |
| 16:18.47 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Yes, those work great and is part of thr eason Linksys made the WRT54GL |
| 16:19.21 | cbreak | that's my other router :) |
| 16:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | sigh |
| 16:19.30 | Fisker | they work great until you use them :P |
| 16:19.30 | cbreak | I didn't install DD-WRT on it though yet |
| 16:19.35 | ScytheBlade1 | afk, beating it to death |
| 16:20.07 | Fisker | Use it any part of an area with many users and it just buckles under too easy |
| 16:20.20 | nevcairiel | its only me! |
| 16:20.43 | Arrowmaster | <ScytheBlade1> I have five ethernet ports (1+4) and it sees... two. |
| 16:20.51 | Arrowmaster | thats easily explained |
| 16:20.57 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 16:21.07 | nevcairiel | it just has two interfaces, the others are running on the internal switch |
| 16:21.10 | Arrowmaster | just be lucky you dont only see one |
| 16:21.16 | Arrowmaster | those suck |
| 16:21.23 | nevcairiel | one is the external portal, one the internal |
| 16:21.23 | Arrowmaster | horrible performance |
| 16:21.28 | nevcairiel | the switch is hidden from you |
| 16:25.37 | Dagmar | hhehe |
| 16:26.18 | Fisker | don't really think you can find consumer level routers that can do that |
| 16:26.27 | cbreak | so, I switched my provider subscription. I hope the new one gets activated before the old one gets canceled |
| 16:27.49 | Dagmar | Fisker: Do what? |
| 16:28.26 | Fisker | i.e. replace the switch with an dedicated interface |
| 16:28.57 | Dagmar | Oh... It's not so much a "can" as a "never meant to do" |
| 16:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | that's what I figured @ internal switch |
| 16:29.54 | Dagmar | If you want five fully functional, individual ports, you need a lot more chips on the board |
| 16:30.00 | Dagmar | s/chips/silicon/ |
| 16:30.01 | Fisker | i thought you were talking about a port indicator btw :P |
| 16:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 16:30.25 | Dagmar | You don't generally get that until the $200 range somewhere |
| 16:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, that at least took my speeds from 6mbit to 23mbit |
| 16:31.01 | ScytheBlade1 | so in the stock config, it is workable |
| 16:31.11 | Dagmar | You're right about the "consumer" bit tho... I know of nothing they's typically sell in a brick and mortar store that does that |
| 16:32.42 | Dagmar | Honestly if I needed four separate interfaces, I'd just buy a minitower |
| 16:33.31 | Dagmar | A lot less hassle at that point to get a 4-port ethernet card and a wireless card with some antenna jacks on it |
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| 16:36.48 | Mrruben5 | Hmm I have an idea for an addon to replace spell icons, does anyone know if I can safely hook GetSpellInfo? |
| 16:37.02 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 16:37.29 | nevcairiel | hm, not sure. Probably not, no |
| 16:37.39 | Arrowmaster | afaik youll completely break the spellbook and probably tons of other stuff |
| 16:37.53 | nevcairiel | yeah the spellbook will probably suffer some |
| 16:38.02 | Cide | you're free to replace them with tga's though |
| 16:38.04 | Dagmar | ...like Eastern Kingdoms. |
| 16:38.14 | Arrowmaster | actionbars would likely be safe |
| 16:38.17 | Mrruben5 | nevcariel: tainting? |
| 16:38.25 | Cide | indeed |
| 16:38.41 | Mrruben5 | I see |
| 16:39.18 | Mrruben5 | what if I want to change the name of Beacon of Light to "Holy Bacon" for example, globally, where possible, without taint |
| 16:39.26 | Mrruben5 | and/or the texture |
| 16:39.39 | Dagmar | I like where you're going with that |
| 16:39.56 | Mrruben5 | tekkub will approve XD |
| 16:40.08 | Arrowmaster | like cide said you can change the texture by just putting a new tga in the correct spot |
| 16:40.17 | Arrowmaster | but changing the name will always taint something |
| 16:40.48 | Cide | you'd have to change the wdb file |
| 16:40.56 | Cide | not sure if that'd even work |
| 16:41.06 | Dagmar | YOu *might* be able to hook the combat log events and change what it says in there |
| 16:41.11 | Arrowmaster | does just putting it in the dir not work anymore? |
| 16:41.38 | Mrruben5 | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16781-PaladinIconpack.html |
| 16:41.42 | Mrruben5 | It can be done |
| 16:41.55 | Mrruben5 | however some icons are shared with other classes |
| 16:41.57 | Cide | icon is easy |
| 16:42.03 | Cide | name is not |
| 16:42.39 | Cide | why would yomake the icons more bland |
| 16:42.45 | Mrruben5 | will hooking GetSpellTexture taint some part of the UI then? |
| 16:42.52 | Cide | that's a fucking bright idea right there |
| 16:43.14 | Arrowmaster | Mrruben5: youll want to find out where its used in the default UI |
| 16:43.17 | Cide | is it "ask before you try saturday" again? |
| 16:43.54 | Mrruben5 | I figured if someone already tried, then I don't have to waste time on it |
| 16:43.56 | Cide | could have sworn that was only allowed on saturdays where I'm not in the channel |
| 16:44.04 | Cide | s/where/when/ |
| 16:44.10 | nevcairiel | Cide: but it is saturday! |
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| 16:44.20 | Cide | yes but do you see me here? |
| 16:44.25 | Cide | thought so |
| 16:44.32 | nevcairiel | yes, but that could as well be your failure to not be gone :) |
| 16:44.51 | Cide | I never fail |
| 16:45.04 | Cide | I'm always on time,, neither early nor late |
| 16:45.12 | Cide | with double commas for added clarity |
| 16:45.18 | nevcairiel | You're no wizzard |
| 16:45.28 | Cide | I'm a blizzard of hate |
| 16:46.01 | mikma | meh |
| 16:46.11 | Lunessa | Cide: Is there a Saturday where you're NOT in the channel? |
| 16:46.12 | mikma | bugreporting / suggesting = rock rock |
| 16:46.35 | Cide | Lunessa, what an intelligent question. NO. |
| 16:46.48 | mikma | suggest "who dead npc's need to be named "Slain Watchman", we know he's dead from the 0 hp |
| 16:47.06 | Lunessa | Then I guess there never is an "ask before you try Satruday." |
| 16:47.17 | mikma | who = why |
| 16:47.21 | cbreak | it was probably slain to begin with |
| 16:47.23 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:47.23 | Cide | your skills of deduction impress the dead hamster beside me |
| 16:47.36 | mikma | and innerfire has charges in the tooltip, the spell itself doesnt |
| 16:49.01 | mikma | you no take candle |
| 16:50.20 | Fisker | i charge you Cide |
| 16:50.30 | Cide | I kill you Fisker |
| 16:50.45 | Cide | How do you respond? |
| 16:52.06 | Thunder_Child | damn you steam, why did you have your sale just before i got a job! |
| 16:52.45 | Lunessa | *sigh* Professor: "Is it ok for me to turn my PC on its side and stack the printer on top of it." Me: /facepalm "That's probably not a good idea..." *ex[lains* |
| 16:53.08 | Lunessa | *explains* |
| 16:53.24 | nevcairiel | as long as he doesnt want to use his optical drive, whats the problem? :d |
| 16:53.25 | Lunessa | We trust this equipment to people with no clue. |
| 16:53.31 | Dagmar | Just be glad they're not asking for a power cable with a 90 degree connector so they can get the box closer to the back of their cube wall |
| 16:53.43 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: All our machines are side-vented. |
| 16:53.47 | Thunder_Child | there isnt any problem i can think of offhand |
| 16:53.48 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 16:53.57 | nevcairiel | that might be a problem =p |
| 16:53.59 | Thunder_Child | except for airflow i gues |
| 16:54.17 | Cide | acting smart after the solution has been presented is not frowned upon, Thunder_Child |
| 16:54.21 | Lunessa | And they want to stack an HP laserjet on top of it. |
| 16:54.26 | Cide | by all means continue |
| 16:54.26 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: actually, on their side would be good then, just not with a printer on top |
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| 16:54.41 | Thunder_Child | Cide: i wasnt reaing, i was typing |
| 16:54.44 | Thunder_Child | reading* |
| 16:55.09 | Lunessa | Yeah, the side is not bad, stacking a heavy printer on it is. |
| 16:55.52 | cbreak | I've had computers with heavy CRTs on top |
| 16:56.00 | cbreak | A performa 450. |
| 16:56.07 | cbreak | ... that was so long ago :/ |
| 16:56.26 | Thunder_Child | i dont thikn i have ever had a CRT with the footpring of a printer |
| 16:56.27 | Lunessa | Those pizza boxes were seriously rugged. :P |
| 16:56.31 | Thunder_Child | footprint* |
| 16:56.45 | Jamash | CRTs used to be hueg |
| 16:56.55 | Thunder_Child | but not printer huge |
| 16:57.04 | Thunder_Child | well, the bases |
| 16:57.22 | cbreak | same weight and smaller area means higher pressure. |
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| 16:59.14 | Jamash | actually my printer is pretty small |
| 16:59.25 | Mrruben5 | meh: http://paste.wowace.com/2213/ |
| 16:59.40 | Jamash | and my old 1600x1200@120Hz CRT was ginormous |
| 17:00.03 | Jamash | Mrruben5: I had the idea for a similar addon recently, did it work? |
| 17:00.08 | Cide | I have a 1680x1050@120Hz lcd |
| 17:00.10 | Cide | it's awesome |
| 17:00.26 | Mrruben5 | jamash: I see the print, but the texture is not replaced |
| 17:00.46 | Mrruben5 | probably because I meant to use GetSpellTexture |
| 17:00.49 | Mrruben5 | trying now :P |
| 17:01.00 | Cide | your identation confuses me greatly |
| 17:01.35 | Jamash | My thought was to hook into the tooltip and change the name that way |
| 17:01.50 | Jamash | although the spellbook and chat log would still need altering |
| 17:01.55 | Mrruben5 | cide: added the comment after I pasted it, meh |
| 17:02.10 | Cide | not the comment dumbnuts |
| 17:02.19 | Cide | I read code fluently without comments |
| 17:02.44 | Arrowmaster | nspluginwrapper doesnt seem very stable |
| 17:02.49 | Mrruben5 | I know you do, you must have been coding lua for so much longer then I have |
| 17:02.50 | Thunder_Child | be nice Cide |
| 17:02.59 | Cide | why? |
| 17:03.08 | cbreak | at work I have two gigantic LCDs... at home just a 1680x1050 and one thats even smaller :( |
| 17:03.18 | Thunder_Child | because Cairenn|afk says so |
| 17:03.26 | Cide | she's afk, I have free reign |
| 17:03.31 | Jamash | this is in theory a channel for authors to help one another |
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| 17:03.39 | Cide | theory != practice |
| 17:03.39 | Cairenn|afk | you would think so, wouldn't you? |
| 17:03.45 | Cide | ARRGHHHHH |
| 17:03.47 | Jamash | hit the deck! |
| 17:03.49 | Mrruben5 | lol |
| 17:03.49 | Cide | foiled again |
| 17:03.53 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn|afk > Cide |
| 17:04.03 | Cide | lua> "Cairenn|afk" > "Cide" |
| 17:04.03 | lua_bot | Cide: false |
| 17:04.04 | Arrowmaster | ive got a 1600x1200@60Hz LCD, i want a 1920x1200@72Hz at least |
| 17:04.21 | Fisker | lol 72hz |
| 17:04.28 | Cide | Fisker lol'd |
| 17:04.34 | Cairenn|afk | Cide: you of all people know better than that |
| 17:04.41 | Jamash | my laptop is 1920x1080, it's pretty sweet |
| 17:04.42 | Arrowmaster | better for watching 23.976fps movies |
| 17:04.43 | Cide | I do, lua doesn't! |
| 17:05.15 | Cairenn|afk | than to trust my afk tag, I meant |
| 17:05.22 | Cide | ah |
| 17:05.24 | Cide | well yeah |
| 17:05.30 | Cide | but one can always hope |
| 17:05.40 | Thunder_Child | you hope she is gone? |
| 17:05.52 | Thunder_Child | the hole you are in keeps getting deeper |
| 17:06.05 | Cairenn|afk | naw |
| 17:06.10 | Cairenn|afk | <3 Cide |
| 17:06.29 | Cide | ^ |
| 17:06.32 | Cide | free reign, bitches. |
| 17:06.42 | Cairenn|afk | no, didn't say that! |
| 17:06.49 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: PC-targeted LCDs very rarely come at any other refresh rate |
| 17:07.03 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i know, it sucks |
| 17:07.05 | Mrruben5 | So hooking GetSpellTexture does work without tainting, unfortunately the ActionBar doesn't use it. Which is logical |
| 17:07.54 | Cide | why is it logical? |
| 17:08.09 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: my current one supports higher than 60, just not at max resolution |
| 17:08.16 | Mrruben5 | The actionbar needs more information then just the texture for the spell I believe |
| 17:08.23 | Cide | well check the code |
| 17:08.27 | Cide | figure out which function it calls for texture |
| 17:08.40 | Mrruben5 | Yup I am doing that at the moment |
| 17:08.42 | Arrowmaster | it gets it based on action id |
| 17:09.17 | Jamash | action ids are special |
| 17:09.30 | Jamash | actually the whole blizzard ui is special |
| 17:09.55 | Thunder_Child | in the head |
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| 17:12.14 | Mrruben5 | hmm... GetActionTexture |
| 17:16.25 | Fisker | haha |
| 17:16.26 | Fisker | hilarious |
| 17:16.59 | Fisker | After Steve Jobs announced at the event yesterday that the iPhone 4 would be launching in Denmark July 30th a lot of the various providers updated their pages |
| 17:17.25 | Fisker | Now they've taken it down again with the statement that you don't write about apple products unless approved by apple themselves, even if it's commonly known to be true |
| 17:17.26 | Fisker | lololol |
| 17:17.43 | Fisker | uscaredbro |
| 17:19.44 | Cloudwolf | Steve jobs would scare me |
| 17:20.02 | Cloudwolf | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/6/9/ |
| 17:20.06 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 17:20.12 | Jamash | Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. |
| 17:20.13 | Cloudwolf | heheheh.... |
| 17:20.59 | cbreak | you people never signed an NDA? |
| 17:21.25 | Jamash | people can generally talk about things that an NDA covers if the CEO of the company talks about them in a live press conference |
| 17:21.55 | Cairenn|afk | no |
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| 17:22.27 | Cloudwolf | Jamash i have no idea what those are lol |
| 17:22.57 | Jamash | Cloudwolf: We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. |
| 17:23.14 | Cloudwolf | uhm..... k |
| 17:23.24 | Jamash | Where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. |
| 17:23.53 | Jamash | it's the Apple 1984 ad |
| 17:24.09 | Jamash | Apple 2010 = IBM 1984 |
| 17:25.15 | Cloudwolf | just gota say ipad sounded like a dumb idea from the start and its specs are bad... its just a supersized itouch .... |
| 17:25.59 | Jamash | I don't really care one way or another about the ipad |
| 17:26.33 | Cloudwolf | Well then again im not a fan of macs or apple products |
| 17:26.49 | Lunessa | http://roflrazzi.com/upcoming/?pid=31302 |
| 17:27.00 | Jamash | what I do care about is the fact that Apple is trying to use its market power to kill other company's products |
| 17:27.33 | Cloudwolf | Lunessa i fucking love good eats |
| 17:27.49 | Cloudwolf | Alton Brown is awsome lol. |
| 17:28.06 | Lunessa | Cloudwolf: If I watched more TV, his show would be playing a lot. |
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| 17:30.39 | Fisker | yes Cairenn|afk |
| 17:31.01 | Cloudwolf | ? |
| 17:31.02 | Fisker | Infact we were even allowed to post about troll and worgen warlocks |
| 17:31.12 | Fisker | People just suck at understanding NDA ;3 |
| 17:31.34 | Cloudwolf | hmm fisker do you have the beta forums saved somewhere? lol i kinda want to read peoples posts >.> |
| 17:31.44 | Fisker | huh? |
| 17:31.50 | Jamash | the beta forums are public |
| 17:31.55 | Jamash | what do you mean? |
| 17:32.14 | Cloudwolf | nvmi think i found it |
| 17:37.50 | Shirik__ | Fisker |
| 17:37.57 | Shirik__ | YOU made <Garbage Collectors>? |
| 17:38.05 | Fisker | I DID |
| 17:38.26 | Shirik__ | scary |
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| 17:39.48 | Shirik__ | are you on a boat Fisker? |
| 17:39.51 | Shirik__ | Because I'm on an airplane |
| 17:40.15 | zenzelezz | with snakes? |
| 17:40.23 | Shirik__ | yes |
| 17:40.30 | Shirik__ | I brought my nokia phone with me |
| 17:40.37 | Dagmar | hmm... I thought snakes had to go due to budget cuts |
| 17:40.46 | Dagmar | I suppose we'll have to pay a gate fee for them now |
| 17:40.49 | Shirik__ | does nokia still even make phones? |
| 17:41.28 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 17:41.40 | zenzelezz | they're still the world's leading manufacturer, or close to it |
| 17:41.41 | Cloudwolf | Fisker >.> <.< i want tok now where you got the name lol |
| 17:41.44 | zenzelezz | just not for smartphones |
| 17:41.46 | Shirik__ | really? |
| 17:41.52 | Shirik__ | ok maybe that's why I don't see them anymore |
| 17:41.57 | Shirik__ | I only look at smartphones anymor |
| 17:42.05 | Shirik__ | well tbh I only look at blackberries anymore |
| 17:43.40 | Cloudwolf | any one remember the staff that turns you into a furbolg? |
| 17:43.41 | Seerah | Shirik__ has become a crackberry elitist |
| 17:43.47 | Shirik__ | ^ |
| 17:43.55 | cbreak | nokia's probably the biggest of all |
| 17:43.56 | Cloudwolf | nvm |
| 17:44.00 | cbreak | and... they bought Qt |
| 17:44.04 | cbreak | so they are by definition good |
| 17:44.11 | cbreak | (made it LGPL even!) |
| 17:44.15 | Shirik__ | by that definition Microsoft is good |
| 17:44.24 | Shirik__ | wasn't Qt already GPL? |
| 17:44.30 | zenzelezz | GPL, yes |
| 17:44.33 | zenzelezz | LGPL, no |
| 17:44.37 | Seerah | but was it LGPL? |
| 17:44.38 | Seerah | :) |
| 17:44.42 | cbreak | there's a 25% difference |
| 17:44.42 | Shirik__ | the two aren't compatible no? |
| 17:44.58 | cbreak | LGPL means I can use Qt for code at work :) |
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| 17:45.10 | cbreak | (code which is not permitted to be open sourced itself) |
| 17:45.27 | Shirik__ | I use GPL stuff at work all the time |
| 17:45.29 | Cloudwolf | off to ashenvale and hope i didn't already dot hsi quest |
| 17:45.35 | Cloudwolf | and botch my attempt to get hte item |
| 17:45.36 | Shirik__ | it helps when you write software that is never to be released |
| 17:45.46 | cbreak | yeah, but you have to publish your own code with the programs you distribute, under the GPL |
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| 17:45.56 | Fisker | i stole it Cloudwolf |
| 17:45.57 | Shirik__ | if you don't distribute, you don't have to publish code :) |
| 17:46.11 | Cloudwolf | from me? :D |
| 17:46.12 | cbreak | I have to distribute |
| 17:46.16 | cbreak | to other bussiness units |
| 17:46.18 | Cloudwolf | any way its on eu right? D: im us lol |
| 17:46.19 | cbreak | at least |
| 17:46.20 | Shirik__ | sounds like you need to fix your business model |
| 17:46.40 | cbreak | I find it's rather sound |
| 17:47.32 | Shirik__ | I'm still confused by the "they turned it into LGPL" though |
| 17:47.41 | Shirik__ | I thought the two weren't compatible with each other |
| 17:48.32 | cbreak | doesn't matter |
| 17:48.41 | cbreak | they could relicense it under the BSD |
| 17:48.46 | Shirik__ | uh |
| 17:48.52 | Shirik__ | if they get every single author, ever, to sign off on it |
| 17:48.52 | Shirik__ | yes |
| 17:49.02 | cbreak | they bought Trolltech |
| 17:49.12 | cbreak | trolltech's policy was to get the copyright to all submitted patches |
| 17:49.12 | Shirik__ | wasn't there contributions from outside as well? |
| 17:49.16 | Shirik__ | oh |
| 17:49.18 | Shirik__ | ok |
| 17:49.20 | cbreak | so, they have the copyright to everything |
| 17:49.35 | Shirik__ | now it makes more sense |
| 17:51.06 | cbreak | anyway, it's very nice |
| 17:51.28 | cbreak | people still complain about staic linking, but for the biggest part, Qt got a lot more usable |
| 17:51.48 | ScytheBlade1 | So that took way to long to get working |
| 17:51.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to kill the DHCP/DNS on that device and forward everything over |
| 17:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik__: ! |
| 17:52.36 | cbreak | DHCP? you use static IPs? |
| 17:52.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I have another DHCP server configured already |
| 17:52.56 | ScytheBlade1 | (with a pile of static reservations) |
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| 17:52.59 | cbreak | yeah, that'd be trouble :) |
| 17:53.12 | ScytheBlade1 | it isn't on now, but it is about to be |
| 17:53.27 | cbreak | as for DNS, I heard DNSSec was just deployed |
| 17:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | only kinda |
| 17:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | but we have records where they matter |
| 17:55.41 | ScytheBlade1 | $ ssh root@fe80::200:24ff:fec4:4d3c%eth0 |
| 17:55.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ awesome command btw |
| 17:56.15 | cbreak | you have to specify the interface? |
| 17:56.26 | ScytheBlade1 | with ipv6 link local, yeah |
| 17:56.32 | cbreak | lame. |
| 17:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | how else do you know which interface you're using? |
| 17:56.49 | cbreak | routing table? :) |
| 17:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | all addresses in the link-local net are in fe80:: |
| 17:57.06 | ScytheBlade1 | so |
| 17:57.41 | Gnarfoz | still doesn't make sense to have to specify the device |
| 17:57.43 | Gnarfoz | :< |
| 17:57.47 | cbreak | I wonder if no one thought, "Hey, using a whole class A for loopback is a bit wastefull". |
| 17:57.52 | cbreak | but that seems even worse |
| 17:58.01 | Gnarfoz | there's no "class A" |
| 17:58.10 | Gnarfoz | that's so 1990's |
| 17:58.11 | Gnarfoz | ;p |
| 17:58.19 | cbreak | it was class A when they made it |
| 17:59.48 | Cloudwolf | :D i never did raines cleansing |
| 17:59.53 | Cloudwolf | raene even |
| 18:00.23 | Cloudwolf | dashkals rod here i come |
| 18:01.05 | Dagmar | Keep in mind that's an IP address, and while you can type it, *not* typing it is the reason we invented hosts files and DNS |
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| 18:02.04 | cbreak | I see no reason that my computer has 2^24-2 IP addressed just for itself. |
| 18:02.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It has a lot more than that. |
| 18:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | A *lot* more than that. |
| 18:03.12 | cbreak | great... apple offers free cases... |
| 18:03.13 | Dagmar | This isn't about efficiency |
| 18:03.15 | cbreak | but they are ALL UGLY! |
| 18:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | You have three multicast scopes, two of which are local to your machine |
| 18:03.21 | Dagmar | ...or at least, it's not about conservation of IP spaces |
| 18:03.26 | ScytheBlade1 | TWO ENTIRE MULTICAST SCOPES |
| 18:03.32 | cbreak | ScytheBlade1: IPv4 had that many. |
| 18:03.37 | cbreak | and as I said before |
| 18:03.38 | Dagmar | It's that way because it's a REALLY easy thing to test for in a small number of operations |
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| 18:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: local to *your machine*? |
| 18:03.41 | Cloudwolf | "apple be unique. be a salve to our stuff" |
| 18:03.45 | cbreak | I wondered why they didn't decide against it back then |
| 18:04.56 | Gnarfoz | loopback: "IPv6 designates only a single address for this function, 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 (also written as ::1), having the ::1/128 prefix." |
| 18:05.36 | Dagmar | Easier to have them and not need them than restructure everything to get them |
| 18:05.44 | Gnarfoz | (there's other stuff than loopback that's not routed, certainly) |
| 18:05.54 | Dagmar | ..and regardless of the "size" of IPv4 theyr'e still freaking effectively infinite |
| 18:06.13 | Dagmar | We run out, we extend the size of the addressing space |
| 18:06.18 | cbreak | Dagmar: there was an article on ars last year that estimated the top level space to run out in a few years |
| 18:06.32 | Dagmar | Yeah well, they've been saying that since the early 90's |
| 18:06.36 | Dagmar | We have IPv6. |
| 18:06.36 | cbreak | that means, then providers can't buy blocks anymore |
| 18:06.55 | cbreak | IPv6 has nothing to do with the IPv4 address space |
| 18:07.22 | Dagmar | Dude in the early 90's you could just make a phone call and get handed a class C. Then vhosting started happening and ISPs started getting hundreds of IP addresses just so jimbobshobbyshit.org could have it's own IP address in case they wanted SSL |
| 18:07.36 | Dagmar | IANA (IIRC) started making us fill out a form showing "need" |
| 18:07.50 | ScytheBlade1 | IPv6 has everything to do with IPv4. Stop depending on IPv4, start using IPv6, tada. |
| 18:07.59 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1++ |
| 18:07.59 | Gnarfoz | IANA doesn't assign you IP addresses, though |
| 18:08.03 | cbreak | it still has nothing to do. it's separate technology |
| 18:08.08 | cbreak | it's a new protocol |
| 18:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 18:08.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes it is |
| 18:08.17 | ScytheBlade1 | However |
| 18:08.20 | Dagmar | Yeah, it's a new _ip stack_ |
| 18:08.26 | Gnarfoz | http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/ < less than a year now! :D |
| 18:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That doesn't mean that 6 wasn't designed to replace 4 |
| 18:08.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Because... it was |
| 18:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 18:08.38 | Dagmar | It's not an entirely different mechanism |
| 18:08.44 | Dagmar | It still performs the same role |
| 18:09.01 | frontendloader | Its been almost a month since the last IPv4 is dieing post on slashdot |
| 18:09.05 | frontendloader | someone had better get on that |
| 18:09.21 | Dagmar | This time 'round we've just got a lot more ideas about what we can do with it, using 20+ years of the use of IPv4 to call on |
| 18:09.59 | cbreak | frontendloader: slashdot sucks at predicting deaht |
| 18:10.03 | Cloudwolf | i see you guys aying ipv4 then ipv6 hwat happened to v5 lol |
| 18:10.09 | cbreak | there were death posts for apple, bsd and sco there too |
| 18:10.16 | Dagmar | Computers hate odd numbers. |
| 18:10.23 | Dagmar | Either that or some asshole patented it |
| 18:11.21 | cbreak | IPv4 uses 4 byte addresses |
| 18:11.21 | Cloudwolf | I just rememberd how much ashenvale sucks for leving |
| 18:11.21 | Cloudwolf | running everywhre |
| 18:11.21 | cbreak | IPv6 uses 16 byte addresses? |
| 18:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, and? |
| 18:11.23 | cbreak | they probably just left away the 1 |
| 18:11.24 | Jamash | I like how IPv6 has a million billion trillion addresses but still 16 bit ports |
| 18:11.32 | cbreak | like for Hexadecimal |
| 18:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Jamash: yeah :/ |
| 18:11.48 | cbreak | Jamash: IP has no ports |
| 18:11.54 | cbreak | ports are a property of TCP and UDP |
| 18:11.58 | Jamash | fine, UDP/TCP6 |
| 18:12.08 | cbreak | TCP and UDP did not get changed |
| 18:12.55 | Dagmar | We're still not having any serious problems with a host handling >65,000 connections at once |
| 18:13.05 | Dagmar | THe CPU is filing a lawsuit *way* before then |
| 18:13.19 | Gnarfoz | Cloudwolf: ipv6 was ipv5 during developement, or somesuch. wikipedia will probably tell you |
| 18:13.46 | nevcairiel | the actual v5 was some failed attempt |
| 18:14.03 | frontendloader | Dagmar: as we get more cores I think that'll start to become a problem |
| 18:14.04 | nevcairiel | why they had to go to 6 |
| 18:14.27 | Dagmar | frontendloader: I think load balancers are more than ready to handle it |
| 18:14.46 | Dagmar | Plus, in another 15 years we'll probably just make TCP2 |
| 18:15.31 | cbreak | one port is enough to handle several connections |
| 18:16.10 | Cloudwolf | I honeslty have no idea whats gonna happen with computers i think intel is working on fiber optics inside of computers to use a universal plug instead of a ton of differnet sytles |
| 18:16.22 | Gnarfoz | I don't entirely get why you would associate number of ports with number of connections, either |
| 18:16.25 | Cloudwolf | *styles |
| 18:16.34 | Dagmar | That's a power issue |
| 18:16.41 | Gnarfoz | Cloudwolf: if your sentence starts with "I have no idea", why even bother finishing it...? |
| 18:16.43 | Dagmar | There's only so close you can run copper connections to each other |
| 18:16.50 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:17.00 | Dagmar | They could start using just one connector tomorrow if that were THAT big of an issue |
| 18:17.01 | Cloudwolf | Gnarfoz i mean i have no idea how fast technology will progress |
| 18:17.04 | Cloudwolf | and how powerfull it can become |
| 18:17.22 | nevcairiel | will be fun when we cant shrink our default dies anymore, when we reach one-atom size |
| 18:17.29 | cbreak | Technology progresses slower than predicted |
| 18:17.34 | cbreak | still has no flying car |
| 18:17.36 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: someone probably has a patent on "use one connector for everything" :F |
| 18:17.50 | cbreak | Gnarfoz: USB consortium :) |
| 18:18.12 | Gnarfoz | you use USB to plug your CPU into your mainboard? your graphics card? your hard drives? |
| 18:18.18 | Gnarfoz | *everything* ;D |
| 18:18.30 | nevcairiel | now hard drive is fail in that list |
| 18:18.36 | Cloudwolf | I seroulsy want to figure out how usb works how does the comptuer know the periphreal i just plugged in is a keybaord and not some random thing heh.... |
| 18:18.47 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: so far, unless new materials are discovered/used, 22nm seems to be a lower bound |
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| 18:18.55 | Fisker | i facepalmed |
| 18:18.58 | Gnarfoz | Cloudwolf: the device tells it? |
| 18:19.05 | Cloudwolf | Thats what i figured |
| 18:19.09 | Dagmar | Cloudwold: Product/Vendor identifier codes |
| 18:19.16 | Fisker | "omg i was banned for going behind the auction house in orgrimmar, but that's not exploitation, that's exploration" |
| 18:19.18 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: why? everything! :D |
| 18:19.20 | Fisker | Me: "Naw that's exploitation" |
| 18:19.27 | cbreak | Cloudwolf: there are vendor and type IDs |
| 18:19.27 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 18:19.30 | Fisker | Him: "Naw it's totally legit, see this post!" |
| 18:19.45 | Dagmar | That and HID device specs, so they can identify as a generic HID device the host already knows how to work with, without having to know about that specific product/vendor pairing |
| 18:19.46 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: can already use usb for harddrives :d |
| 18:19.50 | Fisker | Me: "All that says is that you won't get outright banned for going into areas you're not allowed to be in" |
| 18:19.52 | nevcairiel | and with usb3, it would even be fast enough |
| 18:19.53 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: external ones, yes |
| 18:20.07 | Cloudwolf | So does that mean that the computer looks it up based ont hat info from a predetermined list or gos searching online for it? |
| 18:20.12 | nevcairiel | would be quite possible to do it internally as well |
| 18:20.13 | Fisker | Him: "Yeah well i got moved from the area and told i was disrupting gameplay, but i didn't think he talked about being back there, so i went back and got banned" |
| 18:20.14 | Fisker | lold |
| 18:20.17 | nevcairiel | just noone does it |
| 18:20.25 | Gnarfoz | can you buy internal hdds that use usb? there's not even a standard on how non-outside ports of USB should look |
| 18:20.33 | cbreak | Cloudwolf: the drivers can check if they support a device |
| 18:20.37 | nevcairiel | just the pin headers would work :p |
| 18:20.40 | cbreak | the OS decides how to load drivers |
| 18:20.47 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: That was, afaik, one of the ideas. |
| 18:20.58 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that's the point, those are not standardised, look at the USB3 front panel port mess |
| 18:21.14 | Dagmar | ...but the host still needs to know where to look once it gets information about what specifically was connected, which is where the OS comes in |
| 18:21.15 | nevcairiel | never noticed any problems with that |
| 18:21.38 | Gnarfoz | well, there are. :) |
| 18:22.06 | Gnarfoz | some cases vendors just route 2 of the back usb ports to the front, by plugging the front ports into the back ports; asus did their own thing, not sure how others have solved it |
| 18:22.10 | Dagmar | In particular, mechanisms like WindowsUpdate that connect to a repository containing information about as many devices as possible, without having to replicate an ever-changing/ever-growing database on every USB host |
| 18:22.34 | Fisker | wtf |
| 18:22.40 | nevcairiel | there is a kinda standard for pin headers on the main board |
| 18:22.42 | Fisker | this guy just seems to be digging himself a great old grave |
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| 18:22.57 | nevcairiel | mine have always looked the same and the connectors from the case worked |
| 18:22.59 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not for usb3 |
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| 18:23.16 | Dagmar | nevcariel: You're lucky |
| 18:23.21 | nevcairiel | i have yet to see a case with usb3 front panels |
| 18:23.32 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: i just buy quality hardware :d |
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| 18:23.35 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: huh? they're out there, and they have exactly the problem I was describing |
| 18:23.45 | nevcairiel | doesnt mean i have seen one =P |
| 18:23.52 | Dagmar | Most of my cases have those connectors as a bundle of f**kign one-pin connectors I have to look up because there's more than one common configuration for USB headers on mainboards. |
| 18:24.27 | Dagmar | Sometimes they even come with a bit of paper telling what color wire is supposed to go where. |
| 18:24.28 | Lunessa | Hate those goddamned 1-pin connectors. |
| 18:24.40 | Legorol | ^^ |
| 18:24.45 | Gnarfoz | for usb2, that's indeed standardised? doesn't mean everyone adheres to that standard, hehe |
| 18:24.48 | Dagmar | Generally, I glue the little f**kers together. |
| 18:25.04 | Dagmar | That or some electrical tape |
| 18:25.05 | Gnarfoz | hmmm round 2 of food |
| 18:26.18 | Fisker | imma Fisker u Gnarfoz |
| 18:26.25 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: ASUS (and some others) give you a little go-between pin thingy, so that you can assemble those stupid one-pin connectors outside of the case and then just plug the go-between onto the mainboard |
| 18:26.32 | Dagmar | If I had to get out the freaking multimeter to figure it out, it's definitely glue time |
| 18:26.56 | Gnarfoz | (obviously goes to show it's a broken situation, but hey, at least they're trying to be helpful, hehe) |
| 18:26.58 | Dagmar | ...cuz nothing's cooler than pluggin in the mouse and watching a machine spontaneously reboot. |
| 18:27.03 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: but I'm no pond! |
| 18:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 18:27.20 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: obvious: use back-panel ports only :D |
| 18:27.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I has IPv6 back |
| 18:27.24 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: i've seen that for the other front panel connectors, power, hdd etc, but not usb |
| 18:27.45 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: well, true; that's because usb2 front panel connector pinouts are standardised :D |
| 18:27.55 | nevcairiel | but yeah, its really useful |
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| 18:28.11 | nevcairiel | also i need to remove some shit from my pc, its so full of hdds |
| 18:28.15 | Gnarfoz | ScytheBlade1: wtb native ipv6 :[ |
| 18:28.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnarfoz: I may have a tunnel, but as far as my boxes are concerned, it is native |
| 18:28.30 | nevcairiel | my old raid1 for personal data, i should just mirror that on my file server instead of mirroring the disks locally |
| 18:28.39 | Fisker | noty Gnarfoz |
| 18:28.46 | Fisker | then i'll have to write DNS records for my IP |
| 18:28.47 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: haha, want some 160gb hdds? got rid of those old buggers, still have the 250gb and 500gb in there, though |
| 18:28.49 | Fisker | do not want |
| 18:28.56 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: these are 2 200gbs |
| 18:29.10 | Fisker | i still have a few 320GB's |
| 18:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: I have multiple DNS records for multiple computers! ALMOST LIKE HOW IT WAS DESIGNED TO BEGIN WITH! |
| 18:29.12 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: then what |
| 18:29.26 | ScytheBlade1 | owait |
| 18:29.32 | Fisker | that means logging in to my control panel and adding it |
| 18:29.49 | Fisker | also ip > is easier to write than ballmer.developersdevelopersdevelopers.dk |
| 18:29.55 | nevcairiel | static ipv6 addresses would be a neat thing |
| 18:30.23 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: nothing stopping you. also, the autoconfig addresses are essentially static |
| 18:30.23 | nevcairiel | also, native ipv6 for the pink T |
| 18:30.39 | Dagmar | Fisker: Thankfully, SNMP has shown us the error of *that* way |
| 18:31.11 | Fisker | i hate snmp |
| 18:31.19 | Fisker | feels so useless |
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| 18:32.21 | CC13 | Hi guys. I'm trying to change Skada settings from Lua but I'm having a bit of trouble, do you think you are able to help me? |
| 18:33.43 | CC13 | Anyone here :P |
| 18:34.18 | Seerah | What are you trying to do, CC13? |
| 18:34.19 | cbreak | This channel's empty since weeks |
| 18:34.30 | Seerah | :p |
| 18:34.36 | CC13 | Changing some of skadas settings from a lua file |
| 18:34.50 | Seerah | What are you trying to do, CC13? |
| 18:34.55 | CC13 | I already said xD |
| 18:35.00 | Fisker | baww |
| 18:35.06 | Fisker | our new digital signature system sucks |
| 18:35.07 | Seerah | not really ;) |
| 18:35.13 | CC13 | I didn't? |
| 18:35.16 | CC13 | Must be lag i try again |
| 18:35.33 | CC13 | Trying to change skadas settings from a lua file |
| 18:35.36 | cbreak | what you say sounds like "I want a pony" |
| 18:35.39 | Seerah | no, you said something. But you didn't really say what you were trying to do |
| 18:35.44 | CC13 | Huh? |
| 18:35.45 | cbreak | try to formulate it so programmers can understand it |
| 18:35.49 | CC13 | I dont want a pony |
| 18:36.04 | CC13 | I am trying to change some of Skadas saved variables from my own code |
| 18:36.08 | CC13 | M'kay? |
| 18:36.09 | cbreak | which variable do you want to change? |
| 18:36.16 | Seerah | that's more specific :) |
| 18:36.20 | cbreak | how do you want to change? |
| 18:36.25 | CC13 | You think you can help? |
| 18:36.25 | cbreak | when do you want to change it? |
| 18:36.30 | cbreak | what did you try to change it? |
| 18:36.32 | CC13 | Some of it works but the position doesnt :S |
| 18:36.35 | cbreak | just answer those questions |
| 18:36.43 | CC13 | I have a link to my code isnt that easier? |
| 18:36.45 | Seerah | the more you give us, the more we can give you |
| 18:36.50 | CC13 | I give this |
| 18:36.51 | CC13 | http://pastey.net/138661-3x3b |
| 18:37.06 | CC13 | All works exept the position |
| 18:37.19 | CC13 | Wait thats a wrong one xD |
| 18:37.22 | CC13 | sec |
| 18:37.39 | nevcairiel | You are probably calling that at the wrong time |
| 18:37.42 | Seerah | Is this formatted exactly like the original Skada sv's are formatted? (variable names, table hierarchy, etc.) |
| 18:37.42 | cbreak | maybe it uses blizzard's own position save code |
| 18:37.46 | nevcairiel | before the variables are loaded from file |
| 18:37.49 | Seerah | and what nev said |
| 18:38.04 | nevcairiel | getting the "right" positions can be kinda impossible |
| 18:38.06 | CC13 | Hold on I'm getting the newer code |
| 18:38.15 | nevcairiel | s/positions/time/ |
| 18:38.16 | cbreak | blizzard can store positions of frames outside the saved variables |
| 18:39.45 | Fisker | i disagree cbreak |
| 18:40.02 | cbreak | how unsurprising |
| 18:40.18 | Fisker | too easy |
| 18:40.18 | CC13 | Here's the right one |
| 18:40.20 | CC13 | http://pastey.net/138662 |
| 18:40.47 | Seerah | CC13: I also suggest *not* wiping the saved variables, and only changing the values you want to change. (ex. I have a TON more info in my old skada sv file than you have there ;) ) |
| 18:41.14 | CC13 | Thats no problem, I dont have anymore than that in my sv |
| 18:41.24 | CC13 | I just do that to avoid any problems |
| 18:41.26 | Seerah | as long as it's just for your own usage :) |
| 18:41.27 | CC13 | Or so I tohught |
| 18:41.29 | CC13 | It is |
| 18:41.38 | CC13 | thought* |
| 18:41.40 | Seerah | when are you calling SetSkada() ? |
| 18:41.49 | CC13 | Just under the function |
| 18:41.52 | CC13 | When the interface loads |
| 18:41.58 | cbreak | Fisker: layout-local.txt, layout-cache.txt |
| 18:42.08 | CC13 | And I can see it gets called, things like texture changes |
| 18:42.15 | CC13 | Actually, everythig changes exept position |
| 18:42.18 | nevcairiel | You probably need to hook into Skada and pre-hook its OnInitialize |
| 18:42.33 | nevcairiel | and run that there |
| 18:42.44 | CC13 | God must hate me... all works exept size -.- |
| 18:42.58 | Gnarfoz | god is a programmer now? |
| 18:43.04 | cbreak | got hates everyone |
| 18:43.06 | nevcairiel | God is allmighty |
| 18:43.11 | cbreak | don't take it personal |
| 18:43.19 | cbreak | he envies our brains |
| 18:43.21 | nevcairiel | of course he can program, then |
| 18:43.22 | cbreak | for he has none |
| 18:43.36 | Seerah | CC13: if you're doing this in the main chunk, then you don't even need a function call wrapped around it. (can save a tiny bit of memory that way). Also, try renaming your folder and .toc to something like !!AddOnName. try to make sure your file loads before Skada |
| 18:43.59 | CC13 | Does the "!" have any special function? |
| 18:44.07 | cbreak | 002002... current authenticator code... |
| 18:44.09 | CC13 | Does it get higher prioroty or something |
| 18:44.19 | Seerah | No, but the general theory is that WoW loads addons in alphabetical order |
| 18:44.25 | cbreak | CC13: read up on "alphabetic order" :) |
| 18:44.32 | CC13 | lolol |
| 18:44.56 | CC13 | I do not think thats the problem. It works! Just not size |
| 18:45.30 | Seerah | BugGrabber's folder is named !BugGrabber, VirtualPlates uses !!!_VirtualPlates, ClassColors uses !ClassColors - all this is to ensure that they load before addons. |
| 18:45.31 | cbreak | if you want to change the saved variables, you have to do that AFTER blizzard loads them |
| 18:45.39 | cbreak | but before the other addon reads them |
| 18:46.00 | Seerah | CC13: but it doesn't "really" work, does it? If it's not picking up on size? ;) |
| 18:46.12 | Seerah | Skada may just wait to set up everything else |
| 18:46.28 | Seerah | don't knock it, anyway, before you try it. |
| 18:46.40 | CC13 | I'll try then.. |
| 18:46.52 | Seerah | Be sure to fully exit WoW :) |
| 18:47.03 | CC13 | rofl i do xD |
| 18:47.23 | Seerah | is not psychic ;) |
| 18:48.15 | Fisker | veni |
| 18:49.12 | CC13 | Same result |
| 18:49.31 | Fisker | veni? |
| 18:49.34 | CC13 | Maybe Skada is updating the size itself? |
| 18:49.41 | CC13 | That'd be my guess |
| 18:49.43 | cbreak | when do you do it? |
| 18:49.52 | Seerah | Find the spot in the Skada code then, where it configures that setting. |
| 18:49.54 | cbreak | after the addon loaded event? |
| 18:50.07 | cbreak | make sure it is BEFORE skada gets that event |
| 18:50.25 | CC13 | It does. everything else works |
| 18:50.49 | Seerah | (btw - x,y isn't size, it's position) |
| 18:51.12 | Xinhuan | Seerah, its not a general theory (about alphabetical order) ;p |
| 18:51.17 | Fisker | i can easily make it both Seerah |
| 18:51.17 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 18:51.29 | CC13 | lol my bad i meant pos |
| 18:51.32 | Xinhuan | its dependant on the file system installed on the disk (NTFS returns them in alpha order) |
| 18:51.33 | CC13 | brb |
| 18:52.01 | Seerah | Xinhuan: there was possibly some slight sarcasm in that comment, I admit... ;) |
| 18:52.09 | Xinhuan | stabs Seerah with a pillow |
| 18:52.24 | Seerah | Pillow Fight!!!! |
| 18:54.34 | Lunessa | Seerah: Never tell a man it's about position and not size, we might think it's true. :P |
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| 19:18.21 | Fisker | i was a little girl Lunessa |
| 19:23.06 | cbreak | http://dresdencodak.com/2010/07/10/dark-science-03/ |
| 19:24.36 | Corrodias | cute art style |
| 19:24.50 | cbreak | the content is crazy. :) |
| 19:25.16 | cbreak | the continuous stories are amazing |
| 19:25.20 | cbreak | or things like this: http://dresdencodak.com/2009/01/27/advanced-dungeons-and-discourse/ |
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| 19:35.34 | Jamash | I <3 dresden codak |
| 19:35.55 | Jamash | his article on "artificial flight" from the perspective of a race of intelligent birds is hilarious |
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| 19:45.54 | Fisker | slaps Jamash around a bit with a large trout |
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| 19:48.12 | Fisker | slaps Marla around a bit with a large trout |
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| 19:54.00 | Alram | network is bad |
| 19:54.02 | Alram | vbad |
| 19:59.24 | Alram | like |
| 19:59.27 | Alram | Fisker level bad |
| 20:00.12 | Fisker | slaps Alram around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:00.58 | Alram | :( |
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| 20:02.55 | abra | good afternoon |
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| 20:03.36 | abra | anyone feel like browsing a pastey for me? i'm having trouble getting a background to drag with its parent. |
| 20:03.37 | abra | http://paste.wowace.com/2214/ |
| 20:05.25 | abra | no love, huh? |
| 20:07.30 | Fisker | slaps abra around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:10.20 | Lunessa | I believe your CreateTexture call is incorrect. http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/CreateTexture |
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| 20:12.17 | DJJeff | come on guys.... our server is just win |
| 20:12.19 | DJJeff | http://imgur.com/hLCFH.jpg |
| 20:12.31 | DJJeff | look at people linking achievements in trade |
| 20:12.32 | abra | im not seeing the error Lunessa. hmm |
| 20:12.36 | mikma | texture = frame:CreateTexture(nil,"HIGHLIGHT") |
| 20:13.25 | abra | no, that will cover the frame with the texture when i mouseover |
| 20:13.28 | abra | i know that |
| 20:13.46 | abra | i tried "BACKGROUND |
| 20:13.50 | abra | "ARTWORK" |
| 20:14.04 | abra | when i drag the frame, the black background stays where it was/. |
| 20:14.56 | abra | i just cannot seem to think of a strategy for battle against this. |
| 20:15.21 | mikma | anchor the texture |
| 20:15.32 | mikma | texture:SetAllPoints(frame) |
| 20:16.25 | foxlit | abra: which frame are you actually trying to move? |
| 20:16.31 | DJJeff | Cata needs to come out |
| 20:16.33 | foxlit | SMraidslot[i] or frame? |
| 20:16.40 | DJJeff | my trade chat is filled with kids |
| 20:17.16 | mikma | our trade |
| 20:18.09 | abra | oo that was totally it mimka. i overlooked it thinking that my setpoint for the fontstring was doing it. |
| 20:18.20 | abra | thx ALOT man |
| 20:18.23 | abra | or maam |
| 20:19.30 | mikma | pick either, i'm cool with that |
| 20:19.37 | abra | fox - im moving frame, with a function on drop to reparent it to the frame its dragged to, if that frame meets the requirements for the child. |
| 20:20.33 | abra | the requirements are must be SMraidslot1-20 |
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| 20:22.36 | Cide2 | hi |
| 20:22.49 | mikma | lol cide2 |
| 20:23.49 | Cide2 | you're lol |
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| 20:25.38 | Cide2 | Can't seem to add an alternative nick in this client |
| 20:26.55 | Cide2 | gonna try again |
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| 20:28.11 | Lunessa | "Totemum delenda est." - benefits of a classical education. |
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| 20:30.33 | Tuller | the totems have been cast? |
| 20:30.38 | Cide-droid | better I guess |
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| 20:31.20 | Tuller | the totems must be destroyed |
| 20:34.34 | band-aid | Anyone want to take a look at my code? All I want is a button in this frame. I'm trying to get all this stuff figured out. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138667 |
| 20:34.51 | band-aid | The the frame shows up but the button refuses to cooperate |
| 20:35.49 | cbreak | Oh my... |
| 20:35.50 | cbreak | http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/ |
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| 20:40.11 | amro | that's hilarious cbreak |
| 20:40.22 | amro | I'm pretty sure it's the first manga featuring sysadmins |
| 20:40.40 | amro | even though they look nothing like sysadmins |
| 20:41.11 | cbreak | I can't recall any other |
| 20:42.13 | amro | I wonder if there's a Microsoft villain |
| 20:42.26 | cbreak | they guy is a windows fan... |
| 20:42.27 | amro | maybe an apple junkie for comic relief |
| 20:42.37 | cbreak | the nice girl is a mac fan |
| 20:42.51 | cbreak | the brutal girl seems to be a command line linux fan |
| 20:42.55 | amro | hahah |
| 20:46.37 | cbreak | that's unrealistic, they made a truce |
| 20:48.06 | Xinhuan | band-aid, if you want to define child frames inside another frame in XML, they need to be in a <Frames> </Frames> tag |
| 20:48.32 | Xinhuan | (as such, its easier to just do them in Lua code) |
| 20:48.57 | cbreak | you can make them outside and virtual, and then instanciate them inside |
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| 20:59.48 | cbreak | oh, stalman's in the fourth :) |
| 21:01.20 | foxlit | Ally 1: I'll go DTs! Ally 2: I'll go archons! |
| 21:01.26 | foxlit | maniacs. |
| 21:02.02 | abra | if i want to SetScript("OnMouseUp", frame.StopMovingOrSizing) AND perform another function.. how would i go about that? can i send the relevent data to a single function and then do the stopmovingorsizing inside it? |
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| 21:05.39 | amro | foxlit: you're the maniac for pugging |
| 21:05.41 | Xinhuan | no |
| 21:06.14 | Xinhuan | you basically write your own function and assign it to the OnMouseUp script |
| 21:06.31 | amro | abra: you can do SetScript("OnMouseUp", function() frame:StopMovingOrSizing(); dosomestuff; end) |
| 21:06.37 | Xinhuan | and your own function can call the frame's StopMovingOrSizing and that other function |
| 21:06.38 | Fisker | slaps amro around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:07.30 | Xinhuan | you probably want to use function(self, button) as the arguments though |
| 21:09.40 | abra | im currently using self, frame.. |
| 21:09.46 | abra | is that wrong? |
| 21:09.55 | abra | function(self, frame) |
| 21:11.43 | foxlit | amro: it isn't usually this bad. |
| 21:12.00 | cbreak | what's so bad about DTs? |
| 21:12.17 | cbreak | they do a lot of damage, are stealthy |
| 21:12.24 | foxlit | DTs are not a strategy |
| 21:12.38 | cbreak | can be warped in fast with the warpgates you have anyway |
| 21:13.02 | foxlit | You'll get one attack off okay, after that, everything will swarm with observers rendering your investment pointless |
| 21:13.27 | cbreak | one attack often tips the scale |
| 21:14.18 | foxlit | It's not a bad unit; it's just that "I'll build DTs!" is about as encouraging as "I'll spam reapers" |
| 21:15.46 | cbreak | going to DTs involves many steps that are useful even if you have to deviate from the original plan |
| 21:16.02 | cbreak | like getting warp gates, surviving that long, and so on |
| 21:17.12 | Satisfyme | Question! If I have a Scrollframe and wan't to refresh the content in the scrollchild, how do I do that ? |
| 21:20.30 | foxlit | cbreak: rest assured, "I'll get DTs" means "I'll build nothing but DTs and probes" :) |
| 21:20.42 | cbreak | risky |
| 21:21.02 | foxlit | And I'll continue flinging them at an ongoing army, wondering why they die so damn fast |
| 21:21.52 | cbreak | if you fight protos, it might be hard for them to get detection fast |
| 21:22.07 | cbreak | they either have to have a robotics bay, or build static defenses |
| 21:34.00 | band-aid | Xinhuan: so I should wrap my button construct in <frames>? |
| 21:35.43 | Cide | foxlit, that's not really true |
| 21:36.15 | Cide | even with detection you can do a fair bit of damage |
| 21:36.36 | Cide | of course you need something to begin with before and follow up with after |
| 21:37.11 | amro | just need to micro them properly |
| 21:37.32 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/1_iphone.jpg |
| 21:38.33 | Cide | rofl |
| 21:39.28 | Corrodias | lol |
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| 21:42.47 | foxlit | Cide: that plan is valid, however, at that point it's not "I'll build DTs!" but "I'll build a balanced army that happens to sometimes be complimented by DTs when reasonable, depending on the amount of detection and force composition of our opponents" |
| 21:43.03 | Corrodias | build an army consisting entirely of pylons |
| 21:43.08 | Corrodias | you will always have enough pylons |
| 21:43.08 | Cide | foxlit, possibly |
| 21:43.35 | Cide | but "aiming for DTs in the midgame" is a reasonable strategy |
| 21:43.43 | Cide | the early and late game can be secondary |
| 21:43.52 | Cide | could even aim for DT rushing |
| 21:43.57 | Cide | and it'd still be reasonable strategy |
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| 21:49.39 | Fisker | I now like you mikma |
| 21:49.41 | Fisker | thank you |
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| 22:20.37 | batrick | hello friends |
| 22:20.52 | amro | hello batrick |
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| 22:22.15 | Morkesh | good evening |
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| 22:42.14 | Dagmar | "A. I generally go barefoot on the yacht. Around on the office, I am often carried on gnome palanquin, so shoes are not required." |
| 22:42.22 | Dagmar | WIN |
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| 22:48.14 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25969522750&sid=3000#16 |
| 22:48.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Mmm, trolls. |
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| 23:08.20 | Dashkal | Is there a place a worgen can get a mount yet? |
| 23:08.30 | Nobgul | I haven't found one yet. |
| 23:10.30 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 23:10.31 | A-KO | you know |
| 23:10.37 | A-KO | I relaly wish I had a camera that took good pictures in low light |
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| 23:20.10 | nevcairiel | Do worgens have a mount yet? |
| 23:20.22 | nevcairiel | I dont think i've heard what kind of moutn they get |
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| 23:21.51 | Nobgul | I have not seen one yet. |
| 23:22.04 | Nobgul | Same thing with goblin's they do not have mounts yet |
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| 23:24.03 | foxlit | Ragnaros v Ysera: the most boring melee combat duel ever. |
| 23:24.28 | foxlit | miss, parry, dodge, block, repeat. |
| 23:24.41 | nevcairiel | the event works for you? |
| 23:25.14 | foxlit | No, the event is broken. |
| 23:25.28 | foxlit | The event is Cenarius and Ragnaros, though |
| 23:26.05 | foxlit | Where's a server crash when you need one, really |
| 23:26.10 | Nobgul | Lol |
| 23:26.31 | foxlit | Rag and Ysera are in the sulfuron spire pit, outside. |
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| 23:30.36 | Morkesh | foxlit: what event? :o |
| 23:30.52 | Cide | no spoilarz |
| 23:30.52 | foxlit | "The Firelord" quest. |
| 23:30.57 | Morkesh | arh :) |
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| 23:42.48 | durcyn | yay, i found a part of deepholm that crashes every time you set foot in it, including logging in. |
| 23:42.56 | A-KO | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs101.ash2/38384_408350995266_641465266_4726924_4044175_n.jpg < 1910 Buick |
| 23:46.46 | nevcairiel | durcyn: reduce your viewing distance |
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| 23:47.15 | durcyn | what's the cvar for that? |
| 23:47.25 | nevcairiel | login screen has graphic options now |
| 23:47.43 | A-KO | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs165.snc4/37578_408350400266_641465266_4726878_7949837_n.jpg < Dragon poop in Luray Caverns! |
| 23:48.14 | nevcairiel | i just finished with vashj'ir, i think i'll do some exploring before i go to deepholm |
| 23:48.47 | durcyn | nevcairiel: worked, then i fell to my death =P |
| 23:49.10 | Nobgul | nevcairiel: Is deepholm stable now? |
| 23:49.25 | nevcairiel | its one of the more buggier zones |
| 23:49.28 | nevcairiel | but good enough |
| 23:49.43 | Nobgul | My mage is stuck in vashj'ir cant get him out =/ |
| 23:49.43 | durcyn | it's playable, i actually had more problems in vashjir |
| 23:50.02 | nevcairiel | i didnt have any problems in vashjir |
| 23:50.06 | Nobgul | Seems that frost nova in water = crash |
| 23:50.13 | nevcairiel | only stupid quests with stupid spawn timers |
| 23:50.34 | nevcairiel | 3 spawns of some snake thing, and you alone need 8 of that? |
| 23:50.36 | nevcairiel | right! :D |
| 23:50.40 | Nobgul | Hehe |
| 23:51.13 | durcyn | lots of clipping errors in the first turtle thing, whatever its name is |
| 23:51.39 | A-KO | you actually crash in Deepholm |
| 23:51.45 | A-KO | I can swim all around Vash'jir without crashing |
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| 23:52.01 | nevcairiel | oh right |
| 23:52.03 | nevcairiel | that ancient |
| 23:52.05 | nevcairiel | i had that as well |
| 23:52.07 | A-KO | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs048.snc4/34758_408349495266_641465266_4726811_1630045_n.jpg < pretty slick, Blizzard should replicate that effect in Deepholm |
| 23:52.13 | nevcairiel | was flying around and suddenly was outside |
| 23:52.39 | Nobgul | Err aparently you can not gain exp while ice blocked =P |
| 23:52.49 | durcyn | there's a hole in the floor in the middle too, don't even have to be mounted |
| 23:52.57 | durcyn | just fall to your death, since it forces dismount halfway down |
| 23:53.17 | nevcairiel | i'm a druid, i just flight form again |
| 23:53.29 | durcyn | it's noflyable all the way down =P |
| 23:53.38 | Nobgul | After the initial ship in vash'jir where do you go? I think i missed some sort of event because I was ice blocked while handing in the final quest |
| 23:53.50 | Cide | .. |
| 23:53.52 | nevcairiel | when i hit one of those water spots it would shift me out of flying form |
| 23:54.04 | nevcairiel | but could easily re-shift |
| 23:54.13 | nevcairiel | Nobgul: yeah the naga are supposed to carry you away |
| 23:54.16 | durcyn | all of the subzone boundary transitions are fucked too |
| 23:54.31 | Nobgul | Oops =P |
| 23:54.51 | Mirrormn | Nobgul: you're supposed to get carried away by a naga in the little battle in front of the first ship |
| 23:54.59 | Mirrormn | after the guy says "Escape if you can!" |
| 23:55.24 | Mirrormn | you're supposed to swim back to the ship but then get intercepted |
| 23:55.56 | nevcairiel | half the way to the naga base the shaman rescues you |
| 23:56.02 | Mirrormn | I hit 83 about an hour into deepholme, but now I'm considering going back and finishing the zone anyway |
| 23:56.05 | nevcairiel | and you end up next to some big shell-like thing |
| 23:57.36 | nevcairiel | i do wonder, how is transport from vashj'ir to EK and back supposed to be designed? |
| 23:58.20 | Mirrormn | I think to get there, you're supposed to be able to take one of the new portals on the northern ledge of org |
| 23:58.31 | Mirrormn | there seems to be a lot of places for portals there |
| 23:58.36 | Mirrormn | *shrug* |
| 23:58.37 | nevcairiel | portals are lame |
| 23:58.46 | nevcairiel | want some kind of taxi |
| 23:59.12 | Mirrormn | I guess it would be cool if you could ride The Verne there |
| 23:59.43 | Mirrormn | or whatever the alliance submarine is |
| 23:59.49 | Mirrormn | I assume they have an analagous submarine |
| 23:59.57 | nevcairiel | had some weird name |
