| 00:01.27 | Kraps | ooh i like the new bnet |
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| 00:03.55 | Kraps | anyone going to the $500 a head dinner? :p |
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| 00:04.16 | Wobin | Kraps: They'd better be feeding you sold gold steaks |
| 00:04.24 | Kraps | heh |
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| 00:16.35 | NightHawkTheSane | you know when the BEST time to find bugs is? when we're trying to do a freaking release. |
| 00:22.58 | ScytheBlade1 | so, looking to buy a laptop |
| 00:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I checked out the local stores, and found that for what I could get a mid-range laptop, I could buy two of the same laptops online |
| 00:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | recommendations? |
| 00:24.52 | Mirrormn | for 2 of one laptop? |
| 00:25.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I could buy two laptops online for the price of one in the local stores |
| 00:25.28 | ScytheBlade1 | and no, it wasn't an apple store |
| 00:25.54 | Mirrormn | what sort of price range and feature set are you actually talking here? |
| 00:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | decent CPU, NV GPU, that is really about it |
| 00:26.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: what os are you looking to run on it? |
| 00:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: none as far as the manufacturer is concerned |
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| 00:27.47 | ScytheBlade1 | only detail, is that I need it by next friday |
| 00:28.37 | NightHawkTheSane | thats pretty... fast |
| 00:28.54 | ScytheBlade1 | local store can have it to me tomorrow, places like newegg can ship it tomorrow |
| 00:30.21 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
| 00:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | the part where all of the screens are 1366x768 or similar is agitating, too |
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| 00:38.29 | NightHawkTheSane | should have been gone 30 minutes ago. |
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| 01:01.31 | Kraps | GJ NOT IDENTIFYING YOURSELF IN YOUR FRIEND REQUEST |
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| 01:07.03 | A-KO | hmm |
| 01:07.48 | A-KO | character reflections still aren't working quite yet in beta :( |
| 01:07.51 | A-KO | on water |
| 01:07.56 | A-KO | the stuff that's there is pretty sweet though |
| 01:08.13 | Wobin | I dunno |
| 01:08.27 | Wobin | I feel like I'm swimming through the Gulf with water at top level |
| 01:08.43 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:08.46 | Wobin | I could not see a -thing- while trying to rescue drowning soldiers |
| 01:09.03 | A-KO | I should redo the worgen quests |
| 01:09.10 | A-KO | I figured I'll redo them come live |
| 01:09.20 | A-KO | there's apparently a rather heavy use of phasing in the game world now |
| 01:09.23 | A-KO | that's ognna suck |
| 01:09.27 | A-KO | I really am not a fan of overuse of phasing |
| 01:09.32 | A-KO | "HEY, CAN SOMEONE HELP ME WITH THIS QUEST?" |
| 01:09.46 | Ressy | there is a lot of phasing. |
| 01:10.04 | A-KO | outside of playing a goblin and wrogen (where I expected phasing), I haven't bothered to do much in the game world |
| 01:10.08 | A-KO | did a little Azshara on my goblin |
| 01:10.09 | A-KO | about it |
| 01:10.10 | Wobin | there's a lot of phasing in the starter areas |
| 01:10.15 | Ressy | tons. |
| 01:10.16 | Wobin | but no group quests so far |
| 01:10.18 | A-KO | I didn't notice any on my tauren |
| 01:10.19 | Ressy | theres less elsewhere. |
| 01:10.37 | Ressy | the new zones have more phasing. |
| 01:10.41 | A-KO | the thing that sucks about phasing is it's going to make me go through the whole damn game on my main and do all these quests |
| 01:10.50 | A-KO | something I already did once :( |
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| 01:11.41 | A-KO | WPL and maybe EPL looks like it's gonna have a bit of phasing to it |
| 01:17.05 | Kraps | your mom has some phasing |
| 01:18.48 | Cide- | Guest: Marines are overpowered, a marine went to my base in the early game for harass and teching to void rays took too long for me, have you considered nerfing the marine? Or at least let it come to my base later? |
| 01:18.56 | Cide- | Dustin Browder: I'll work on this. How late do you want the marine to show up? |
| 01:19.01 | Cide- | dustin browder is officially awesome |
| 01:24.31 | Jerub | Cide-: that's awesome. |
| 01:24.54 | Jerub | did you see the video showing void ray attack queueing? |
| 01:25.09 | Cide- | yep |
| 01:25.13 | Cide- | they're fixing that |
| 01:25.19 | Jerub | you'd hope so |
| 01:25.30 | Cide- | dustin browder confirmed it about an hour ago |
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| 01:54.43 | Yssaril | did goblin/worgen get their own mounts yet? |
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| 02:08.12 | Ressy | no, still using warlock mounts. |
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| 02:19.16 | ReAn | im just so glad i've got a lightning fast internet connection for this beta install process |
| 02:19.51 | Yssaril | wait till you need to start patching :P |
| 02:20.16 | Wobin | initial install with patches is 35gigs or so right now |
| 02:21.12 | Yssaril | total download is only 4-6gigs i think |
| 02:27.02 | ReAn | Yssaril: i am patching already |
| 02:27.11 | ReAn | 3mb/sec downloads are nice |
| 02:27.43 | Yssaril | there are some big patches in there :P |
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| 02:28.37 | Dashkal_ | The 1.2 gig patch kinda sucks :P |
| 02:29.32 | ReAn | so far im only on like the 5th 100-200mb one |
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| 02:44.46 | Kemayo | "The ability to use third-party addons has been temporarily disabled for the test environment" makes the addon-site betas feel a bit premature. :P |
| 02:45.06 | Shadowed | People can still test the Blizzard UI |
| 02:45.09 | Shadowed | which is changing quite a bit |
| 02:47.11 | Iriel | If you had say, a spell book addon, experiencing the new UI would be very very helpful. |
| 02:50.00 | Kemayo | True, it does give you some direction. |
| 02:52.33 | Kemayo | Aaaaaa default UI bags... I'm not ready for this... |
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| 02:57.12 | Fisker | slaps Shadowed around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:57.29 | eidolarr | Shirik__: http://librelist.com/browser//mongrel2/2010/7/15/c-verses-c++/#770d94bcfc6ddf1d8510199996b607dd |
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| 02:59.19 | eidolarr | interesting remarks on C vs C++ strings' |
| 02:59.38 | eidolarr | "The flaw of C++ strings is they tried to make *formatting* a string type |
| 02:59.38 | eidolarr | safe. This meant very basic operations that should be nothing more than |
| 02:59.39 | eidolarr | "turn type into a display format and shove in here" get piled on with |
| 02:59.39 | eidolarr | huge amounts of type conversion, friend functions, and stupidity that |
| 02:59.40 | eidolarr | it's needed." |
| 02:59.42 | eidolarr | oops, sorry |
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| 03:09.57 | Fisker | bitchesmen |
| 03:13.28 | cog|work | eidolarr: i think that's more a flaw of streams than strings |
| 03:13.36 | cog|work | I've never been fond of the << interface |
| 03:13.59 | Cide- | I've never been a fan of half of C |
| 03:14.03 | Cide- | doesn't mean I bitch about it |
| 03:14.10 | cog|work | that too |
| 03:14.41 | Cide- | let me ask you this |
| 03:14.44 | Cide- | is there IdOp in C? |
| 03:14.56 | cog|work | I almost want to make a set of C++ wrapper languages that preserve certain realms of C++ semantics with optimized syntax |
| 03:15.40 | cog|work | Cide-: no. it relies on operator overloading |
| 03:15.48 | Cide- | it was a rhetorical question |
| 03:16.03 | cog|work | then don't make such a to do about it -_- |
| 03:16.04 | cog|work | :P |
| 03:16.24 | Cide- | I love confusing people |
| 03:16.31 | cog|work | I NO RITE!! |
| 03:16.51 | Cide- | confusing people I love |
| 03:16.59 | Cide- | oh no that makes grammatical sense :( |
| 03:17.06 | cog|work | i wish people would correct me more. then they wouldn't accuse me of being right all the time. people are to shy |
| 03:17.14 | Cide- | you're WROANG |
| 03:17.19 | Cide- | especially about the whole vaccine thing |
| 03:17.19 | cog|work | s/being/needing to be/ |
| 03:17.31 | Cide- | that's just stupid |
| 03:17.32 | cog|work | Cide-: TROLL |
| 03:17.43 | mikma | *yawn* |
| 03:17.58 | Cide- | why would you get better from getting sick? |
| 03:18.01 | Cide- | MAKES NO SENSE |
| 03:18.07 | cog|work | I don't care who is right. i just want what's right to be known. |
| 03:18.33 | Cide- | I'm right |
| 03:18.36 | Cide- | now make me famous |
| 03:18.42 | cog|work | also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I7TKW_QQbA <-- ignore the title... |
| 03:18.52 | mikma | ignore cog|work, ok |
| 03:19.44 | cog|work | tells on mikma for being mean |
| 03:19.54 | Arrowmaster | WE HAVE A WINNER! |
| 03:20.03 | Arrowmaster | http://paste.wowace.com/h13p0y5cfj8detms/ |
| 03:20.18 | Arrowmaster | first guy to try and rip one of my addons and upload it for a beta key |
| 03:21.17 | Yssaril | if it wasnt for the Fu in the name you might never have noticed :P |
| 03:21.41 | Cide- | sounds like a loser to me |
| 03:21.42 | Fisker | hey Cide- |
| 03:21.44 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 03:21.48 | Fisker | not so hey Arrowmaster |
| 03:22.08 | Arrowmaster | Yssaril: meh i wasnt looking, torhal pointed it out to me |
| 03:22.14 | cog|work | Fisker: should I be proud or ashamed of earning your not "not so" ? |
| 03:23.00 | Cide- | that's so so |
| 03:23.02 | Fisker | ashamed |
| 03:23.09 | eidolarr | Cide-: the guy complaining about C++ was doing so because someone asked why their open source project wouldn't switch to C++, I think that warrants some explanation |
| 03:23.09 | Cide- | ambiguity ftw |
| 03:23.09 | Fisker | which is why you didn't earn it |
| 03:23.22 | eidolarr | cog|work: how do you do strings in C++? |
| 03:23.25 | Cide- | eidolarr, perhaps if the explanation made any kind of sense, sure |
| 03:23.48 | eidolarr | what doesn't make sense about that? |
| 03:24.21 | Cide- | lots of stuff he says without backing up |
| 03:24.22 | Cide- | Even something as simple as casting a float to an int is a pain in the |
| 03:24.22 | Cide- | ass involving some weird template like syntax that frankly makes no |
| 03:24.22 | Cide- | sense. |
| 03:24.50 | eidolarr | yeah watch out for the newlines |
| 03:24.58 | Cide- | I'm allowed to spam |
| 03:25.02 | Cide- | I have a + before my name |
| 03:25.11 | eidolarr | alright, that checks out |
| 03:25.20 | cog|work | eidolarr: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3055240/create-a-modifiable-string-literal-in-c/3055273#3055273 |
| 03:25.21 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn|afk: why dont i have a + before my name? |
| 03:25.27 | cog|work | that's what i think of strings in C++ :) |
| 03:25.34 | eidolarr | he's talking about reinterpret_cast<> right? |
| 03:25.58 | Fisker | mikma |
| 03:26.00 | Fisker | will you be a friend? |
| 03:26.18 | eidolarr | cogwheel: i'm not sure I understand, maybe we're talking about different things |
| 03:26.46 | eidolarr | I mean, in C the solution to building strings with data in them is *printf, whereas in C++ it is some clunky stream based mechanism |
| 03:26.53 | eidolarr | is there a better solution I don't know about? |
| 03:27.02 | eidolarr | i'm not talking about messing with string literals, more like factory functions |
| 03:27.05 | Cide- | eidolarr, what's keeping you from using a traditional (type) cast? |
| 03:27.27 | eidolarr | for strings?? |
| 03:27.32 | mikma | fisker: na |
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| 03:27.36 | cogwheel | eidolarr: you can also use the + operator, but it involves a lot more copying |
| 03:27.36 | Cide- | for float and int |
| 03:27.46 | cogwheel | but since it's C++ the copies aren't all that expensive |
| 03:27.55 | cogwheel | still probably faster than interpreted languages |
| 03:28.46 | Fisker | bah mikma |
| 03:28.48 | eidolarr | Cide-: I thought you weren't supposed to use C casting in C++ |
| 03:28.48 | Fisker | i think you should |
| 03:28.57 | Cide- | pretty sure that's fine and dandy |
| 03:28.59 | cogwheel | and there's boost format |
| 03:29.05 | eidolarr | cogwheel: is it like java +? |
| 03:29.12 | Cide- | just not for new stuff where that might be unsafe |
| 03:29.15 | Cide- | I'm not great at c++ |
| 03:29.44 | cogwheel | eidolarr: i've been lucky enough never to have learned Java |
| 03:29.45 | eidolarr | well I can ask Shirik, I thought the understanding was that yuo should use the C++ casts becasue they're unambiguous |
| 03:30.12 | eidolarr | cogwheel: java is kind of nice in some ways and sucks in other ways, you can push a huge amount of runtime errors back into compile-time |
| 03:30.26 | cogwheel | The c++ casts are unambiguous, more explicit to their effects, and easier to grep |
| 03:30.29 | eidolarr | going from Java to Lua sucks for debugging |
| 03:31.38 | nicoli_s | you people in yer C++ |
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| 03:32.18 | Cide- | reinterpret_cast converts any pointer type to any other pointer type, even of unrelated classes. The operation result is a simple binary copy of the value from one pointer to the other. All pointer conversions are allowed: neither the content pointed nor the pointer type itself is checked. |
| 03:32.39 | Cide- | besides the advantages cogwheel pointed out I see no reason you can't use (type) casting for the integral basic types if you feel that's more appropriate |
| 03:33.06 | eidolarr | yeah but those are fairly convincing reasons don't you think, haha |
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| 03:33.20 | Cide- | so why are you arguing that the original argument is good? |
| 03:33.28 | Cide- | if you agree with cogwheel that the c++ way is superior |
| 03:34.03 | eidolarr | I didn't say it was good, I said it was interesting, I don't know enough C++ to know whether it's good |
| 03:34.03 | nicoli_s | there shall be no types, thus no need for casting |
| 03:34.08 | Cide- | WELL SET UP TRAP, CIDE, WELL SET UP TRAP. |
| 03:34.12 | Fisker | but really mikma |
| 03:34.12 | eidolarr | nicoli_s: and we shall call it Lua |
| 03:34.20 | Fisker | i think you should give me a couple of hundred gold on my druid |
| 03:34.21 | Cide- | eidolarr, ah, well, it's bad |
| 03:34.41 | eidolarr | Cide-: his point is that the syntax is confusing and cluttery, not that you shouldn't use reinterpet_cast |
| 03:34.52 | Cide- | if it's so bad don't stick to it |
| 03:35.02 | mikma | fisker: sure, but i can't login |
| 03:35.04 | Cide- | if it has several advantages why bitch about it? |
| 03:35.12 | mikma | world server down :P |
| 03:35.16 | Fisker | :o |
| 03:35.34 | eidolarr | that is a silly argument, just because it's better practice for C++ doesn't mean it's perfect |
| 03:35.45 | Cide- | how would it be worse practice in C? |
| 03:35.50 | Cide- | the only difference is that it doesn't exist in C |
| 03:36.03 | Cide- | making C in all ways inferior despite reinterpret_cast syntax not being perfect |
| 03:36.24 | Cide- | ^ in the typecasting namespace we're discussing |
| 03:36.32 | mikma | lolo, they have build a speedway in Azshara! :D |
| 03:36.36 | Cide- | speaking of namespaces... how's C on that front? >:) |
| 03:37.09 | Cide- | anyway no time to discuss, need sleep |
| 03:37.19 | Cide- | imo his arguments were silly |
| 03:37.28 | eidolarr | Cide-: I don't know about all that, he's just saying the syntax is ugly, that's all haha |
| 03:37.36 | eidolarr | not saying anything about good practice |
| 03:37.38 | Cide- | but it has several advantages |
| 03:37.42 | Cide- | it can afford to be ugly |
| 03:37.52 | eidolarr | it doesn't have to be |
| 03:38.00 | Cide- | how would you make it non-ugly? |
| 03:38.01 | Fisker | in b4 old btw mikma |
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| 03:38.18 | Cide- | the only valid one was that C++ has no C++-specific way of doing neat string formatting |
| 03:38.27 | Cide- | but sprintf() is part of the C++ standard also apparently |
| 03:38.35 | eidolarr | yeah but you're supposed to use std::string |
| 03:38.38 | Cide- | no reason to fight for C++ specifics when there are valid C-based alternatives |
| 03:38.56 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 03:39.01 | Fisker | this must be up your alley |
| 03:39.06 | Fisker | how do you get back to gilneas? |
| 03:39.20 | eidolarr | use can use a string stream, or you can add the annoying syntax of allocating a char buffer of the right size, then snprintfing it, then using it to instantiate a new std::string |
| 03:39.27 | mikma | hahaaaaaa |
| 03:39.33 | mikma | Cap'n Placeholder! |
| 03:39.48 | eidolarr | also as little as I know about C++, I do know that his things about Boost are right on, it's a PITA to integrate/build and even worse to keep up to date |
| 03:40.32 | eidolarr | I don't want to be pushed into attacking C++ when I know so little about it, but i think that given that he's been around the block with both languages and you by your own description are not great at C++, it's worth a little bit of consideration at least |
| 03:41.06 | Fisker | and where might i find this... captain of placeholders? |
| 03:41.27 | Cide- | eidolarr, http://codepad.org/5sXAFQZR |
| 03:41.29 | Cide- | there you go |
| 03:41.53 | mikma | fisker: near "The Secret Lab" is the end of the speedway in aszhara. he's standing there in a tower |
| 03:42.01 | Fisker | ah |
| 03:42.16 | Fisker | i thought you answering my question on how to get to Gilneas again |
| 03:42.27 | eidolarr | Cide-: look you are going to have to add boilerplate comments, remove magic numbers, and use snprintf or i'm taking 10 points off |
| 03:42.46 | eidolarr | no I get it, I understand that, but I think it's a tragedy that C++ doesn't have a format-based string constructor or something |
| 03:42.47 | Cide- | I'm terrible at proper coding |
| 03:42.54 | Cide- | me too |
| 03:42.56 | Cide- | but such is life |
| 03:43.22 | eidolarr | I also have wstring but that is because i don't understand it at all |
| 03:43.26 | eidolarr | *hate |
| 03:44.12 | Cide- | http://codepad.org/6YiSOdyW |
| 03:44.16 | Cide- | too bad this doesn't work >:) |
| 03:45.21 | eidolarr | haha slippery |
| 03:45.47 | eidolarr | I used tio think Java had way fewer gotchas than C++... then i read about serialization |
| 03:46.10 | Cide- | anyway, bedtime |
| 03:46.11 | Cide- | night |
| 03:46.19 | eidolarr | alright seeya |
| 03:47.01 | eidolarr | what a nice man, he deserves a christmas card |
| 03:47.14 | Fisker | THIS IS MY YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME FACE |
| 03:48.09 | ReAn | i wish blizz would let more people into beta, so i'd have more people to download my client from :p |
| 03:48.48 | Fisker | I wish Blizzard wouldn't put me in a place where i can't get back to my main faction, and where the trainers do not offer any training |
| 03:50.05 | Fisker | feel my rage |
| 03:50.08 | Fisker | or feel my anger |
| 03:50.38 | Kraps | lols at Fisker |
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| 03:51.05 | Fisker | it sucks Kraps |
| 03:51.11 | Fisker | do you understand that concept? |
| 03:51.13 | Fisker | suckage |
| 03:51.35 | Kraps | lols some more |
| 03:51.41 | Fisker | rages |
| 03:54.04 | Kraps | noms on fiskers rage |
| 03:54.18 | Kraps | tastes like victory |
| 03:57.44 | Fisker | tastes like me banging your mom |
| 03:59.28 | Kraps | stabs Fisker with a spork |
| 04:00.28 | Fisker | haha |
| 04:00.35 | Fisker | starsurge is a metric fuckton of OP |
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| 04:00.47 | Shirik__ | Shirik__ is a metric fuckton of OP |
| 04:03.30 | eidolarr | why does Google not use C++ exceptions? destructors? |
| 04:04.09 | ReAn | <Fisker> I wish Blizzard wouldn't put me in a place where i can't get back to my main faction, and where the trainers do not offer any training <--- huh? |
| 04:04.51 | Fisker | apparently starsurge was too OP |
| 04:04.57 | Fisker | it just took away my talent points |
| 04:05.00 | Fisker | and i can't reassign |
| 04:05.05 | eidolarr | hahaha |
| 04:05.18 | Fisker | ReAn my Worgen Druid has to go to Stormwind to train |
| 04:05.31 | Fisker | The Darnassus druids doesn't want to speak to me, and there's no connection back to Gilneas |
| 04:05.32 | eidolarr | "Starsurge can be used 3 times total, after which the caster is deleted" |
| 04:06.06 | Shirik__ | eidolarr: Anyone that doesn't use C++ exceptions doesn't understand C++ |
| 04:06.33 | Shirik__ | it's impossible to code robust C++ without exceptions |
| 04:07.36 | eidolarr | Shirik__: uhh while I respect your mastery of C++, this is google |
| 04:07.37 | Mirrormn | woo lich king phase 3 |
| 04:07.45 | Shirik__ | irrelevant |
| 04:07.56 | Shirik__ | There are constructs in C++ which are literally impossible to deal with without exceptions |
| 04:08.11 | eidolarr | such as? |
| 04:08.18 | Shirik__ | failure to allocate |
| 04:08.32 | Shirik__ | which everyone seems to ignore because "oh god you never run out of memory" |
| 04:08.40 | Mirrormn | pish posh |
| 04:08.45 | Shirik__ | but once you say that |
| 04:08.46 | Mirrormn | just let the program crash, whatever |
| 04:08.49 | Shirik__ | you no longer have a robust application |
| 04:08.56 | Shirik__ | and Mirrormn is the reason we can't have nice things |
| 04:09.02 | Mirrormn | :) |
| 04:09.33 | eidolarr | again man, idk, i suspect google somehow accounts for running out of memory |
| 04:09.44 | Shirik__ | I suspect they do too |
| 04:09.51 | Shirik__ | I also suspect there are cases where they don't |
| 04:09.53 | Mirrormn | they account for that by having an exabyte of RAM |
| 04:09.57 | Shirik__ | or do it in the most moronic means necessary |
| 04:10.20 | Shirik__ | It is literally impossible to code an RAII-compliant system without exceptions, period. |
| 04:10.27 | Shirik__ | And without RAII, you cannot catch every possible case |
| 04:10.36 | Shirik__ | you might be able to get most of them, but you can't get all of them |
| 04:10.45 | Pytlask | Shirik__: Declaring a universal error handler |
| 04:10.53 | Shirik__ | Which, actually, is not C++ |
| 04:11.04 | Pytlask | No it isn't. But it works in C++ |
| 04:11.08 | Shirik__ | No |
| 04:11.17 | Shirik__ | It works in whatever language the operating system is written in |
| 04:11.24 | Shirik__ | The fact that you can access it in C++ is irrelevant |
| 04:11.25 | Shirik__ | However |
| 04:11.27 | Pytlask | Well, yes. |
| 04:11.30 | Shirik__ | Even with a "universal error handler" |
| 04:11.32 | eidolarr | here's the in depth description of the policy: http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cppguide.xml?showone=Exceptions#Exceptions |
| 04:11.34 | Shirik__ | You still cannot cleanup properly |
| 04:11.39 | Shirik__ | I don't give a shit about their policies |
| 04:11.51 | Shirik__ | I would point them to rule #0 in stroustrup's standards |
| 04:12.00 | Shirik__ | don't set policies on stupid things |
| 04:12.11 | eidolarr | "Exceptions are the only way for a constructor to fail. We can simulate this with a factory function or an Init() method, but these require heap allocation or a new "invalid" state, respectively." |
| 04:12.44 | Fisker | btw |
| 04:12.56 | Fisker | when you're at gold cap all gold earned should be deposited into the guild bank |
| 04:13.02 | Fisker | or i will end you Shirik__ |
| 04:13.24 | Shirik__ | ha |
| 04:13.35 | Shirik__ | their primary justification for not using exceptions is "we sucked at C++ a while ago" |
| 04:13.48 | Fisker | Splinter Cell: Conviction Sells 1.9M - Ubisoft announced Splinter Cell Conviction for Xbox 360 and PC has sold 1.9 million units worldwide since April 13. |
| 04:13.50 | Fisker | loooooooooooooool |
| 04:14.53 | Shirik__ | After having written a very complex code generator, I have come to the conclusion that exceptions are the only safe way to write C++. The designers of C++ knew this, many good C++ developers know this, and now I know this. |
| 04:14.56 | Corrodias | too bad they have such a raging erection for drm |
| 04:15.07 | Shirik__ | Unfortunately, those three groups of people account for probably 1% of the C++ developers out there |
| 04:15.07 | eidolarr | Shirik__: that and using OS stuff might expose you to code you didn't make |
| 04:15.21 | eidolarr | Fisker: i am dumb, why is that funny |
| 04:15.25 | Shirik__ | I fail to see how that's relevant |
| 04:15.31 | Fisker | because they're shitty sales |
| 04:15.44 | Fisker | well respectable sales in general, but shitty in terms of expectations |
| 04:16.04 | eidolarr | I heard they wrecked splinter cell with double agent anyway, not sure what theyw ere hoping for |
| 04:16.31 | eidolarr | Shirik__: like, if they use an OS library that isn't exception-ready, they can't use exceptions |
| 04:16.34 | eidolarr | i would guess, idk |
| 04:16.39 | Fisker | i found it funny that they found out how to mess up stealth games even more than Convictiion |
| 04:16.50 | Shirik__ | I raise the question of why you're using a library that is 500 years old |
| 04:17.14 | Fisker | i do not believe such libraries existed 500 years ago Shirik__ |
| 04:17.32 | Shirik__ | thank you Fisker |
| 04:17.40 | eidolarr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria |
| 04:18.01 | Pytlask | I dunno, I've always heard that the library of Alexandria was pretty exceptional |
| 04:18.06 | Pytlask | Damn, beat to it |
| 04:18.14 | eidolarr | the multiplayer in Pandora Tomorrow was awesome, otherwise i've never been impressed by splinter cell |
| 04:18.22 | eidolarr | thief spoiled me on stealth games |
| 04:19.59 | eidolarr | although once people learned to play it sucked, they'd stun you w/ the gun and then gas you and then jump on you like mario until you died |
| 04:21.18 | Fisker | no problem Shirik__ |
| 04:21.24 | Fisker | i'm like a wikipedia |
| 04:21.32 | Fisker | instead it's like in the brain and shit |
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| 04:31.16 | ReAn | how many patches more after the 1.2gb one? |
| 04:31.17 | ReAn | anyone know? |
| 04:31.36 | Shadowed | 12379 is latest |
| 04:31.36 | Fisker | i'm a patch |
| 04:31.41 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 04:31.51 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Fisker] by Shirik__ |
| 04:32.16 | batrick | harro Shadowed |
| 04:32.20 | batrick | err, Shirik__ ^ |
| 04:32.31 | kd3 | patch list: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree/patches |
| 04:32.33 | Jerub | Shadowed: thankyou for saving me from getting saved to a totally fail raid. |
| 04:32.42 | Shirik__ | harro batrick |
| 04:32.52 | batrick | omg you responded |
| 04:33.16 | Wobin | why is Shirik__ so underscored? |
| 04:33.21 | ReAn | batrick: you dont wanna know how i read your name the first time |
| 04:33.36 | batrick | ok then I don't |
| 04:34.03 | Fisker | i'm very sick Shirik__ |
| 04:34.05 | Jerub | a) dk raidleader with missing talent point b) 2 raid members in >50% pvp gear c) healer in sub-ilvl200 gear. trying to do icc10. |
| 04:34.14 | Jerub | elitist group saved my ass. :) |
| 04:35.01 | Fisker | not if i saved it first |
| 04:35.15 | Wobin | "You are now saved to Fisker" |
| 04:35.31 | Fisker | s/You/Your ass/ |
| 04:35.34 | durcyn | hm, post ain't been updated, what was the new Lost Isles alliance guild name? |
| 04:35.50 | Wobin | new? |
| 04:35.55 | Wobin | not Secure Hookers? |
| 04:36.08 | durcyn | oh, someone lied to me and said it was Lewd on Demand, which looks to be horde |
| 04:36.11 | durcyn | nevermind! |
| 04:36.11 | Wobin | did we get reported? =P |
| 04:36.19 | Wobin | Lewd on Demand is the hordeside one |
| 04:36.26 | Wobin | I think |
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| 04:37.11 | Wobin | There needs to be a mechanism that allows people to invite offline players into the guild |
| 04:37.20 | Shirik__ | there is |
| 04:37.22 | Shirik__ | it's called IRC |
| 04:37.28 | Wobin | Shirik__: I tried it last night |
| 04:37.32 | Wobin | BUT NO ONE HELPED =( |
| 04:37.37 | Wobin | I was so alone =( |
| 04:39.00 | p3lim | What level is Desolace in Cata? |
| 04:39.13 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree/zones |
| 04:39.34 | Wobin | I was going to say: Under sea level |
| 04:39.36 | kd3 | ...if there's a cata question, I probably have a subpage on it, somewhere |
| 04:39.40 | kd3 | >.> |
| 04:41.04 | Wobin | hahaha |
| 04:41.05 | Wobin | Lorna says: Hands up, greenskins! My men will give you your new bearing. You try anything funny and we'll fill you with lead. |
| 04:41.05 | Wobin | Navigator says: [Orcish] Dabu? |
| 04:41.11 | Wobin | that's awesome =P |
| 04:41.29 | kd3 | ya. I just stopped there and laughed for a few minutes |
| 04:41.48 | p3lim | kd3: is that for cata? |
| 04:41.52 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:42.15 | p3lim | ait, thanks |
| 04:42.23 | kd3 | that's my best-guess at the post-cata zone levels. they're still ironing out a few zones, tagged with italics |
| 04:42.48 | p3lim | yeah I've seen some of the blue posts |
| 04:42.56 | p3lim | but none of them stated the desolace level range :p |
| 04:43.13 | p3lim | also happen to know the best route there as alliance? |
| 04:43.34 | kd3 | stonetalon should have a breadcrumb there |
| 04:44.04 | p3lim | ok.. how to get to stonetalon? :p |
| 04:44.11 | kd3 | ashenvale? |
| 04:44.15 | p3lim | meh, running |
| 04:44.24 | kd3 | the table's a flowchart, more or less. |
| 04:45.04 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:45.50 | p3lim | any news regarding the EU alliance guild yet btw |
| 04:48.58 | p3lim | also, if any of you have a suggestion where to go after stv (lvl 35), do say |
| 04:49.20 | Jerub | p3lim: instances. |
| 04:49.31 | kd3 | WPL just got turned on this build |
| 04:49.45 | kd3 | feralas is also 35-40 |
| 04:49.57 | kd3 | monotonically reads off his chart |
| 04:50.24 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:53.49 | Zyn | pushes Fisker into the bubbling tar pits |
| 04:55.53 | p3lim | Jerub: Not able to queue |
| 04:56.01 | p3lim | Says I have to locate entrances first |
| 04:56.03 | Jerub | p3lim: oh, cata? |
| 04:56.05 | p3lim | yep |
| 04:56.16 | Jerub | that's kinda neat. they should've done that to begin with |
| 04:56.19 | Shadowed | anyone know who the leader of Lewd on Demand is? |
| 04:56.21 | p3lim | I'll try WPL |
| 04:56.59 | Fisker | neat Zyn |
| 04:58.04 | Mirrormn | Jamash is the leader of Lewd on Demand |
| 04:58.13 | Fisker | i should report all of you |
| 04:58.22 | Mirrormn | but his character is named name Shendrilamya or something impossible to remember |
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| 05:10.52 | Fisker | zomg |
| 05:10.58 | Fisker | someone on EU horde sign my charter |
| 05:15.15 | Jerub | you wouldn't download a car |
| 05:15.16 | Jerub | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Torrent |
| 05:16.38 | Fisker | how do i set guild permissions without the guild ui? |
| 05:18.39 | Fisker | slaps Jerub around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:18.42 | Fisker | slaps Shadowed around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:18.44 | Fisker | tell me etc. |
| 05:18.49 | Fisker | also you kd3 |
| 05:18.50 | Fisker | or cogwheel |
| 05:21.04 | Yssaril | Fisker: you don't |
| 05:21.48 | Fisker | oh sweet |
| 05:21.52 | Zyn | Fisker-chan : http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/guilds.html |
| 05:21.54 | Fisker | how do you get chat working then? |
| 05:22.02 | p3lim | do hunters get dualwield in cata? |
| 05:22.11 | p3lim | cause I havent seen any of it yet |
| 05:22.25 | Zyn | I am pretty sure they are supposed to have dualwield by default |
| 05:23.36 | Fisker | Garbage Collectors is up btw |
| 05:23.36 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 05:23.39 | Jerub | wow, they're tlaking about moonkin being a level 10 bonus |
| 05:23.48 | Fisker | old Jerub |
| 05:23.55 | Jerub | Fisker: i'm fucking ancient |
| 05:24.02 | Jerub | i'm also not on the beta, so meh |
| 05:24.06 | Yssaril | Jerub: you get some base skills hen you chose your tree |
| 05:24.50 | Yssaril | since you have to spend 31 points in the tree you chose its not OP :P |
| 05:25.41 | Zyn | p3lim , the "Weapon Skills" passive bonus in the spellbook (General tab) tells if you can dualwield or not .. and hunters can |
| 05:26.13 | p3lim | does not say anything about dualwielding there |
| 05:28.49 | Zyn | maybe they assume people understand when it says Daggers etc |
| 05:28.57 | Zyn | a twohanded dagger aint a dagger :p |
| 05:29.22 | Zyn | or just forgot to put that info in there |
| 05:29.41 | p3lim | I tried to wield two axes earlier, said I couldnt do that :p |
| 05:30.04 | Yssaril | p3lim: they one handed or main handed? |
| 05:30.16 | p3lim | both were onehanded |
| 05:30.35 | Yssaril | hmm |
| 05:30.47 | p3lim | I can doublecheck that |
| 05:31.04 | ReAn | finally, the last patch |
| 05:31.18 | Zyn | just tried on my 23 hunter ... "You cannot dual-wield", so either it's gone forever or bugged |
| 05:32.08 | p3lim | http://cata.wowhead.com/item=4126 |
| 05:32.18 | p3lim | two of those, got error |
| 05:32.41 | Jerub | If you watch a horror movie backwards it's about a white couple that makes increasingly multicultural friends over the course of the film. |
| 05:34.22 | Seerah | It may be that it's past my bed time, but I find that pretty amusing atm, Jerub :) |
| 05:34.44 | Fisker | unfortunately destroys Seerah |
| 05:34.59 | Seerah | do you troll because you love, Fisker? |
| 05:35.49 | Fisker | i wish |
| 05:36.08 | Seerah | sighs |
| 05:36.12 | Seerah | I wish too |
| 05:36.19 | Seerah | night all |
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| 05:53.46 | eidolarr | ok this is deeply personal, but does anyone else have programming moments where they find a particularly elusive bug, it all comes together, and then you pretend like you're dr house? |
| 05:55.52 | durcyn | no, but I do have a poster of hugh laurie on the ceiling over my bed, is that close enough? |
| 05:57.51 | Fisker | hey durcyn |
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| 06:13.42 | Dashkal | How do you get to Vash'jir? |
| 06:13.50 | Mirrormn | quest right outside Org |
| 06:13.55 | Dashkal | lliance |
| 06:14.00 | Mirrormn | fuck alliance. |
| 06:14.03 | Mirrormn | . |
| 06:14.09 | Stanzilla | stormwind harbor :) |
| 06:14.14 | Fisker | btw Maldivia |
| 06:14.14 | Dashkal | Danke |
| 06:14.16 | Fisker | DENIED |
| 06:14.31 | Stanzilla | hey fisker |
| 06:14.48 | Fisker | http://imgur.com/bRMoB.png |
| 06:14.57 | Fisker | "oh nos mitm oh nos oh nos" |
| 06:15.15 | Fisker | l2browsers |
| 06:15.34 | Mirrormn | Fisker, did you hack the new beta website -.- |
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| 06:16.23 | Mirrormn | or is that an error message |
| 06:16.27 | Mirrormn | I can't read german! |
| 06:16.34 | Stanzilla | that's not german :( |
| 06:18.45 | cogwheel | Shirik__: " OS library " |
| 06:18.50 | cogwheel | err mt |
| 06:19.00 | cogwheel | (well not mt... forgot i was scrolled up) |
| 06:23.03 | Fisker | not german at all Mirrormn |
| 06:23.06 | Fisker | and no i didn't hack it |
| 06:23.14 | Mirrormn | well |
| 06:23.18 | Mirrormn | maybe if I could read german |
| 06:23.19 | Fisker | Just some people going "omg mitm" over the new battle.net |
| 06:23.24 | Mirrormn | I would know that's not german |
| 06:23.27 | Mirrormn | bwaaah |
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| 06:23.50 | Fisker | But as i displayed, you can't fool the browser |
| 06:25.00 | Dagmar | "looks shopped" |
| 06:25.21 | Fisker | google chrome'd |
| 06:25.27 | Fisker | the best browser known to mankind |
| 06:25.51 | Dashkal | lynx? |
| 06:25.57 | Fisker | Google Chrome |
| 06:26.35 | Dagmar | It *needs* a lockable keyring... otherwise I'd agree |
| 06:26.48 | Dagmar | I'd toss Firefox over for it in a heartbeat if it had that |
| 06:27.06 | Fisker | lockable keyring? |
| 06:27.21 | Dagmar | Yeah, you can apply a master password to the credentials cache in Firefox |
| 06:27.25 | Fisker | oh sweet |
| 06:27.38 | Dagmar | Chrome lacks that feature still |
| 06:28.03 | Dagmar | I'm assuming they're just expecting people to use TrueCrypt or encrypted homedirs or something (reasonable, but still) |
| 06:28.15 | Fisker | they could make a cloudbased one |
| 06:28.18 | Fisker | wonder how that would fly |
| 06:28.38 | Dagmar | I doubt they'd do that |
| 06:28.53 | Fisker | meh |
| 06:28.54 | Dagmar | Never a good idea to practice security by storing your plaintext on things you don't control. |
| 06:29.06 | Fisker | not plaintext of course |
| 06:29.16 | Fisker | I mean using your google login and encrypt it in that |
| 06:29.41 | Fisker | and then store it all online of course |
| 06:29.51 | Fisker | so not even something offline to get |
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| 06:35.48 | Dagmar | Yeah, but still, there's something a little iffy about even keeping large amounts of ciphertext "out there" for someone else to crack at their leisure if they have a mind ot. |
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| 06:55.21 | cogwheel | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/07/sharktopus_is_coming.php |
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| 07:02.29 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2FiiMWNHU&feature=player_embedded |
| 07:05.40 | kd3 | 2/3 of deepholm done, yay |
| 07:05.56 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Deepholm_quests |
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| 07:13.32 | Gnarfoz | kd3: 2/3 of a beta invite |
| 07:13.56 | Gnarfoz | but someone's keeping the last 1/3 hidden from me :< |
| 07:14.33 | kd3 | I'll do it when I get home from work tomorrow |
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| 07:15.14 | Gnarfoz | what, invite me to beta? :p |
| 07:15.36 | Gnarfoz | and off to work I go... meh |
| 07:15.49 | kd3 | no, do the third part of deepholm |
| 07:16.14 | Gnarfoz | why must you destroy my hopes so? |
| 07:16.17 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 07:16.48 | kd3 | because I need someone to taunt since fisker got in |
| 07:17.14 | Gnarfoz | he WHAT |
| 07:17.33 | Gnarfoz | jumps out of his ground-level window :( |
| 07:18.16 | `-FISKER_Q\ | Guildmaster of the Garbage Collectors on Mekkatorque Gnarfoz |
| 07:30.07 | ReAn | great |
| 07:30.13 | ReAn | my druid copied over in bear form |
| 07:30.19 | ReAn | and no i've lost my form spells |
| 07:30.22 | ReAn | and im stuck |
| 07:31.10 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 07:31.33 | ReAn | i can't shift out |
| 07:31.35 | ReAn | or hearth |
| 07:31.40 | ReAn | or get to dalaran that's UP IN THE SKY |
| 07:31.45 | ReAn | to get to a trainer |
| 07:31.49 | ReAn | to learn the skills i need |
| 07:31.50 | ReAn | >_< |
| 07:32.44 | ReAn | oh |
| 07:32.45 | Wobin | ReAn: use the teleporter? |
| 07:32.46 | ReAn | if i die im good |
| 07:32.55 | ReAn | im stuck in icecrown |
| 07:32.57 | ReAn | somewhere |
| 07:32.59 | Wobin | run! |
| 07:33.04 | Wobin | you can run to dalaran! |
| 07:33.13 | ReAn | i can't interact with npcs |
| 07:33.16 | ReAn | so i can't portal up |
| 07:33.21 | Fisker | Tried /cancelaura ? |
| 07:33.23 | Wobin | it's an item, though, isn't it? |
| 07:33.36 | ReAn | Fisker: no effect |
| 07:33.37 | Wobin | a bit triangle thingie |
| 07:33.42 | Fisker | ReAn |
| 07:33.50 | Fisker | i think the bear just got mauled |
| 07:33.54 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 07:33.58 | Fisker | also sunglasses |
| 07:34.00 | ReAn | wut? |
| 07:34.10 | Fisker | i'm cracking wise |
| 07:34.11 | ReAn | taking these 10 mobs forever to kill me |
| 07:34.12 | Wobin | that was a bit of a stretch =P |
| 07:34.31 | Fisker | i'm a huge jerk Wobin |
| 07:34.44 | Fisker | 11 days until i can install SC2 :( |
| 07:34.46 | ReAn | yay |
| 07:34.47 | Wobin | Is that like an Evil Wobin? |
| 07:34.48 | ReAn | dieing worked |
| 07:34.58 | Fisker | idk Wobin |
| 07:35.08 | Wobin | ReAn: now fly to dalaran and res there =P |
| 07:35.12 | Fisker | you should like my druid experiences ReAn |
| 07:35.17 | Fisker | leveled a druid worgen |
| 07:35.20 | Fisker | currently level 14 |
| 07:35.45 | Fisker | I waited hours to get out of gilneas, which puts you at Teldrassil, there's no way back to gilneas and Darnassus druids won't teach you |
| 07:35.46 | Fisker | gg |
| 07:35.55 | Fisker | So i went to stormwind to train |
| 07:36.11 | Fisker | Then i lost my talent points after i completed a quest in teldrassil |
| 07:36.46 | ReAn | LOL |
| 07:36.49 | ReAn | "Nom nom nom" |
| 07:36.52 | ReAn | is a talent |
| 07:36.59 | Fisker | wat |
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| 07:38.07 | Wobin | best talent name ever |
| 07:38.13 | Wobin | I really really hope they keep it |
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| 07:40.19 | ReAn | so what happened to bearform? |
| 07:40.43 | Wobin | They removed it, didn't you hear? =) |
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| 07:40.52 | Jerub | it's been replaced by 'being a tauren' |
| 07:41.08 | Jerub | you have the new abilities, "moo" and "cowpat" |
| 07:41.23 | Jerub | the [Improved Cowpat] talent looks cool |
| 07:41.25 | Fisker | cowpat? |
| 07:41.28 | Fisker | do want |
| 07:41.28 | ReAn | i love how zoning blows up stuff |
| 07:41.52 | Wobin | improved cowpat is projectile |
| 07:42.06 | Wobin | kk, I'm buggering off home |
| 07:42.39 | theorbtwo | cowpat: Everyone within the area loses half their charisma for the next 5 minutes. |
| 07:42.52 | Fisker | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs073.ash2/36974_1302738938740_1538484843_30636073_6476419_n.jpg <-sweet btw |
| 07:48.15 | ReAn | yea |
| 07:48.16 | ReAn | btw |
| 07:48.20 | ReAn | dont go to IF |
| 07:48.27 | sylvanaar | good morning |
| 07:48.38 | Fisker | not really sylvanaar |
| 07:48.41 | Fisker | bad morning, bad! |
| 07:49.06 | ReAn | y? |
| 07:49.34 | Fisker | it's hot |
| 07:49.36 | Fisker | and not very windy |
| 07:50.15 | Fisker | hits this morning with a rolled-up newspaper |
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| 08:14.42 | Yssaril | night everyone |
| 08:14.55 | Morkesh | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33979 how amazingly epic |
| 08:15.11 | ReAn | hrm |
| 08:15.18 | ReAn | do i stay up all night playing beta |
| 08:15.25 | ReAn | or go to sleep and do it tomorrow afternoon |
| 08:15.48 | Morkesh | is that a real question? |
| 08:15.52 | ReAn | yes |
| 08:15.59 | Morkesh | of course you stay up, this is beta damnit :P |
| 08:16.15 | ReAn | but i can't even work on my mods :/ |
| 08:16.17 | Morkesh | and the more time you spend on it, the more you learn, that you can tell others, to piss them off |
| 08:16.25 | ReAn | fine |
| 08:16.39 | ReAn | off to 7/11 for pocky and energy drinks |
| 08:16.44 | Morkesh | haha :P |
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| 08:26.23 | ReAn | sad part is |
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| 08:26.44 | ReAn | the thing i need to do is work on my new mod, so i have to be in real wow |
| 08:26.45 | ReAn | and |
| 08:26.52 | ReAn | i can't even explore dk changes |
| 08:27.05 | ReAn | cuz mine's stuck in IF |
| 08:27.09 | ReAn | bugged out |
| 08:27.44 | robokitty | no worries, you go work on your mod, I go play the beta for you |
| 08:27.54 | ReAn | lol |
| 08:27.55 | robokitty | :3 |
| 08:28.03 | robokitty | eh, if it works, it works ;p |
| 08:28.23 | Fisker | hey robokitty |
| 08:28.28 | robokitty | hey Fusker |
| 08:28.34 | ReAn | lol |
| 08:28.37 | ReAn | fusker |
| 08:28.56 | robokitty | Fisker to a T |
| 08:29.39 | Morkesh | what are you working on rean? |
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| 08:32.05 | Fisker | why would you T me? |
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| 08:59.44 | Torhal | Cairenn|afk: ping |
| 09:04.51 | ReAn | any devs on the horde-side guild can invite meh? |
| 09:07.08 | Fisker | EU? |
| 09:08.56 | ReAn | US |
| 09:09.00 | ReAn | sorry, should be specific |
| 09:26.28 | Grum | to be honest, there is not much in the beta except for quests/areas |
| 09:26.38 | Grum | barely any class changes which are worthwhile |
| 09:31.55 | Fisker | makes sense Grum :3 |
| 09:32.25 | Grum | well sofar it appears most of the effort has put in the new areas, which is good |
| 09:32.59 | Grum | has anyone quested in the abyssal depths already? |
| 09:35.24 | robokitty | At least it's the beta |
| 09:35.34 | Fisker | slaps robokitty around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:35.51 | Fisker | you buy sc 2 for me right? |
| 09:38.23 | Fisker | ubuntu robokitty |
| 09:38.39 | ZorbaTHut | I get the feeling that the class changes are still under heavy production |
| 09:38.56 | ZorbaTHut | the talent changes, for example - there's no point to pushing stuff when it's under that much flux |
| 09:39.04 | ZorbaTHut | (I also feel like they're starting late but hey) |
| 09:40.07 | Fisker | Starsurge is lol though |
| 09:40.11 | Fisker | Though i'm cheating a bit |
| 09:40.13 | Fisker | but still |
| 09:40.21 | Fisker | mobs have like 175 hp |
| 09:40.26 | Fisker | my starsurge hits for 225 :P |
| 09:41.00 | ZorbaTHut | what's Starsurge, is that one of the new eclipse things? |
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| 09:41.12 | Fisker | idk |
| 09:41.23 | Fisker | it's the ability you get for speccing balance |
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| 09:57.07 | amro | "There was a problem authenticating your download. Please go to http://www.blizzard.com/account/ to start a new download." |
| 09:57.15 | amro | how stupid are these guys? |
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| 09:57.57 | Fisker | how stupid are you? |
| 09:58.04 | Fisker | what are we talking about btw amro ? |
| 09:58.06 | Grum | amro: so what did you do? |
| 09:58.15 | amro | I didn't do anything |
| 09:58.20 | amro | I just started the sc2 download again |
| 09:58.21 | Fisker | he had sex with the downloader |
| 09:58.29 | Grum | 'again'? |
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| 09:58.36 | Fisker | Did you change IP? |
| 09:58.42 | Grum | or pc |
| 09:58.45 | amro | probably, power went off |
| 09:58.52 | Fisker | there's your problem |
| 09:58.55 | amro | why should that matter? |
| 09:58.58 | Grum | its Fisker:( |
| 09:59.01 | Grum | its in your pc eating it |
| 09:59.08 | amro | the download doesn't even require sc2 |
| 09:59.12 | Fisker | Because they embed the downloader with system information, date and time and your ip |
| 09:59.40 | Fisker | just redownload the downloader |
| 09:59.40 | amro | that is orders of magnitude stupider than what I expected |
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| 10:00.22 | Grum | why? |
| 10:00.37 | Grum | think of what happened with the leaked cata alpha |
| 10:00.51 | Grum | about 6 billion people used that to download the whole client |
| 10:00.58 | Grum | this simply prevents it |
| 10:01.04 | Fisker | The system has been in place since they started with the whole Blizzard account system |
| 10:01.09 | amro | no it doesn't Grum |
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| 10:01.15 | amro | anyone with a bnet account can predownload sc2 |
| 10:01.16 | Grum | it does amro |
| 10:01.18 | Fisker | They didn't protect the cataclysm downloader anyway |
| 10:01.21 | Grum | yes *NOW* |
| 10:01.34 | amro | yeah, so why is the protection still in place? |
| 10:01.36 | amro | it's stupid |
| 10:01.49 | Grum | why not? |
| 10:02.01 | Grum | why change the system just because you go life? |
| 10:02.17 | amro | because it's inconvenient and offers absolutely no protection? |
| 10:03.17 | amro | my connection is very unstable at times, it might go down and back up several times per hour. each time I'd have to go to bnet, set my region, and download the damn thing all over again |
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| 10:04.26 | Grum | amro: or just buy yourself a decent set of interwebs? |
| 10:04.52 | amro | or stop making stilly assumptions about what I can do to defend a stupid decision by blizzard (although most likely just an oversight) |
| 10:05.07 | Fisker | Probably is |
| 10:05.14 | Grum | i doubt it is, its silly to change the client from beta->release |
| 10:05.17 | Fisker | unless they remove the predownload post-release |
| 10:05.18 | Grum | it worked for you for beta |
| 10:05.22 | Grum | so what is the problem |
| 10:05.34 | amro | it's completely different Grum |
| 10:05.48 | Grum | yes indeed, this time you can actually buy the game so there is no problem at all |
| 10:05.57 | amro | again with your assumptions |
| 10:06.06 | Fisker | Beta is restricted access, predownload is not |
| 10:06.07 | amro | if I were to wait for a boxed copy I wouldn't play until november |
| 10:06.15 | Grum | would you go and complain to blizzard if your line only did 4kb/s and the download would take longer than you getting a dvd send at home? |
| 10:06.27 | Fisker | Make sense to try and protect something with restricted access, doesn't make sense to protect something that requires no protection |
| 10:06.36 | amro | no, but that's absolutely not the case here Grum |
| 10:06.48 | amro | they probably just forgot to remove the protection |
| 10:06.51 | amro | why are you defending this? |
| 10:07.04 | Grum | i dont see why you are complaining :) |
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| 10:07.31 | amro | because you're fine with it and can't see things from a different perspective |
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| 10:11.26 | Fisker | i keel u |
| 10:11.37 | Grum | Fisker |
| 10:11.48 | Fisker | amro |
| 10:12.31 | Grum | amro: isnt there some alternative location you can download from? |
| 10:12.42 | Grum | maybe someone already mirrored it? |
| 10:12.57 | Fisker | you can just add it in a torrent client |
| 10:13.44 | amro | it doesn't dump the torrent like the installers d |
| 10:14.15 | Fisker | no it doesn't |
| 10:14.22 | Fisker | but there's DHT and magnet links |
| 10:14.29 | Fisker | also torrent extractors |
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| 10:15.04 | amro | hm, adys had one in python but he's MIA |
| 10:15.13 | Fisker | hmm mine is also already disallowed |
| 10:15.18 | Fisker | have you tried downloading again? |
| 10:15.32 | Fisker | ~google wowtorrentex |
| 10:15.44 | amro | yeah I'm dling again |
| 10:15.45 | Fisker | http://capnbry.net/wow/downloads/ |
| 10:15.49 | Fisker | weird |
| 10:15.53 | amro | it's stalling though |
| 10:15.55 | amro | StarCraft_2_NA_en-US (1).exe5.1 kB/s - 2 MB |
| 10:15.55 | Fisker | mine is less than 24 hours old |
| 10:16.09 | Fisker | and already unauthorized |
| 10:16.39 | Fisker | maybe it sends some kind of kill signal when it's done :P |
| 10:17.13 | amro | Could not find any WoW-*-downloader.exe |
| 10:17.20 | amro | ~facepalm |
| 10:17.21 | purl | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 10:17.25 | Fisker | amro |
| 10:17.36 | Fisker | click the file |
| 10:17.39 | Fisker | Press F2 |
| 10:17.41 | Fisker | ??? |
| 10:17.42 | Fisker | profit |
| 10:17.46 | amro | I know, I'm already on it |
| 10:17.51 | Fisker | :D |
| 10:17.56 | amro | I just find it completely silly to hardcode the names |
| 10:18.12 | Fisker | indeed |
| 10:18.24 | amro | ah nvm |
| 10:18.27 | amro | that's just the default |
| 10:18.31 | amro | you can pass in the name as arg |
| 10:18.36 | Fisker | :o |
| 10:18.48 | Fisker | don't recall that you could that in the past |
| 10:18.53 | Fisker | maybe he added it in v4 |
| 10:18.54 | Fisker | :P |
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| 10:19.46 | airtonix | Fisker, i add you |
| 10:20.47 | Torhal | airtonix: No, you. |
| 10:21.00 | amro | why does the downloader shit on bittorrent conventions? |
| 10:21.58 | Fisker | why shouldn't it? |
| 10:22.33 | ReAn | so basically in beta: EK is unstable, and Kal is fine |
| 10:23.20 | lowlee | Kalimdor is not stable if a hunter is trying to tame a boar outside Org :P |
| 10:23.25 | amro | Fisker: so that I can continue the download without having to move and rename a bunch of files |
| 10:23.55 | Fisker | i don't think it violates bittorrent specs to rename them into .part |
| 10:23.55 | Fisker | :P |
| 10:24.07 | Fisker | Atleast there are a handful other clients with similar options |
| 10:25.04 | amro | I didn't say spec, just convention |
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| 10:25.26 | amro | and this looks different from previous downloader torrents I've used |
| 10:25.37 | amro | I deleted everything, it only recognized ~10% of what was downloaded |
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| 10:27.01 | Satisfyme | hi |
| 10:27.07 | airtonix | wut ? |
| 10:27.23 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:27.26 | airtonix | Torhal, i add you |
| 10:27.46 | airtonix | Torhal, do you still have very long hair ? |
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| 10:29.07 | Warloco | seriously, whoever came up with the cata beta realm guild names is a freaking genius |
| 10:29.48 | A-KO | why?.... |
| 10:29.53 | A-KO | they're nothing fancy..... |
| 10:30.38 | Warloco | by fancy you mean some greek name thats meant to be cool? |
| 10:31.53 | Warloco | they're both funny as hell |
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| 10:48.27 | DJJeff | I have replaced all but 5 of my fubar addons into broker.... I still need Broker_AtlasFu Broker_PerfmanceFu Broker_MailFu Broker_CurrencyFu and Broker_SkillsPlusFu |
| 10:48.55 | DJJeff | SkillsPlus and Currency are my most favorite |
| 10:49.03 | Arrowmaster | ........ |
| 10:49.18 | Arrowmaster | drop the Fu |
| 10:49.18 | DJJeff | I keep bumping into good addons that are on WOWI but not CURSE |
| 10:49.33 | |Jelly| | k? |
| 10:49.44 | DJJeff | still bugging me........ I love curse cause it keeps my addons uptodate :) |
| 10:49.53 | DJJeff | if WOWI had a client |
| 10:49.58 | DJJeff | I would almost get it |
| 10:50.08 | |Jelly| | WoWI doesn't have a client? |
| 10:50.44 | DJJeff | WOWI's search box fails hard |
| 10:50.59 | |Jelly| | http://minion.mmoui.com/ facetious jelly is facetious |
| 10:51.51 | DJJeff | im paying $$$ for curse premium |
| 10:51.59 | DJJeff | thats why I like it |
| 10:52.05 | Arrowmaster | im not |
| 10:52.15 | DJJeff | that client looks like BETA |
| 10:52.19 | DJJeff | and not to mention........ |
| 10:52.22 | |Jelly| | I am too, but that doesn't remove the fact that WoWI -as you seemed to want- has a client. |
| 10:52.24 | DJJeff | JAVA? *cough* |
| 10:52.47 | Arrowmaster | Shirik__ made it |
| 10:52.57 | DJJeff | good for him |
| 10:53.04 | DJJeff | I still like my curse :) |
| 10:53.42 | |Jelly| | Congratulations |
| 10:54.15 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.18 | jnwhiteh | site:wowinterface.com <blah> |
| 10:54.19 | jnwhiteh | win |
| 10:54.22 | jnwhiteh | that is all |
| 10:54.26 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaa....... |
| 10:54.33 | DJJeff | I know how to install shit manually |
| 10:54.36 | DJJeff | unzipping |
| 10:54.36 | jnwhiteh | or hell, its indexed high enough =) |
| 10:54.37 | DJJeff | its |
| 10:54.42 | DJJeff | just |
| 10:54.49 | DJJeff | curse keeps my addons up2date |
| 10:55.02 | DJJeff | in the background :) |
| 10:55.07 | DJJeff | set it and forget it |
| 10:55.15 | jnwhiteh | use minion if you want |
| 10:55.16 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 10:55.19 | jnwhiteh | qq more =) |
| 10:55.37 | DJJeff | wont mionion interfere with curse? |
| 10:55.58 | DJJeff | I mean..... jesus why have 2 clients |
| 10:56.03 | DJJeff | when I just want 1 |
| 10:56.11 | DJJeff | that im paying for :) |
| 10:56.29 | DJJeff | what can urs do that curse cant? |
| 10:56.36 | DJJeff | and why cant curse do it |
| 10:56.39 | |Jelly| | Download from WoWI |
| 10:57.20 | DJJeff | I am almost hating on authors for not allowing their addons on the curse website |
| 10:57.42 | DJJeff | lazy? or dont even know about curse? IDK |
| 10:57.48 | |Jelly| | waits for jnwhiteh's head to explode. |
| 10:57.48 | Arrowmaster | they dont 'allow' their addons on curse, they have to upload them themselves |
| 10:59.27 | DJJeff | yaaaa.... looking @ screenshots ur client has a big advert block in it |
| 10:59.41 | |Jelly| | So don't use it. |
| 10:59.46 | Arrowmaster | so does the curse client |
| 10:59.54 | Elkano | well, hosting doesn't pay for itself... you can still go premium |
| 11:00.16 | |Jelly| | qq--i'm already paying for curse--qq, incoming |
| 11:00.25 | DJJeff | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 11:00.31 | DJJeff | im already paying for curse |
| 11:00.34 | DJJeff | ya |
| 11:01.02 | |Jelly| | So it seems like you have a bit of an issue on your hands and should take it up with the authors of the addons that you have a hardon for to be on Curse. |
| 11:01.37 | DJJeff | I can try yes |
| 11:01.50 | |Jelly| | But don't be surprised if they tell you to bugger off. |
| 11:01.58 | DJJeff | im sure they will |
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| 11:02.04 | DJJeff | im sure they will |
| 11:02.26 | |Jelly| | Generally speaking, there's a reason that authors choose one site over another and end-users with entitlement issues generally don't force a change very well. |
| 11:02.34 | DJJeff | but if you think about it? they did a damn good job on the addon, why not have it avail on curse |
| 11:02.54 | |Jelly| | Because ... they don't want it to be on multiple sites, where they have to support it? |
| 11:03.30 | DJJeff | when I make a ticket in curse....... it shows up on a 3rd party website anyways |
| 11:03.34 | DJJeff | wowace or someshit |
| 11:03.47 | DJJeff | so authors check wowace |
| 11:03.56 | |Jelly| | So you really have no idea what you're talking about at all, is what I'm hearing. |
| 11:03.57 | DJJeff | instead of curse or wowi |
| 11:04.01 | Arrowmaster | wowace is not 3rd party |
| 11:04.59 | DJJeff | ohhhhh your right |
| 11:05.11 | DJJeff | now that I look @ the bottom its all curse links |
| 11:05.25 | DJJeff | I never scrolled down on wowace before |
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| 11:10.05 | Warloco | any recommendations for a viewport addon that works with 3.3.5? |
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| 11:16.48 | DJJeff | I like sunnart myself |
| 11:16.56 | DJJeff | not sure thats what ur after |
| 11:17.00 | Jiminizer2 | Ackis/Kaelten: any idea how long it takes for a beta key order to be updated? My F5 key is at breaking point :P |
| 11:17.01 | DJJeff | I have a screenshot too |
| 11:17.44 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/XoEs5.jpg |
| 11:17.51 | DJJeff | Warloco ^^^^^^^ |
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| 11:29.48 | DJJeff | is my gear fail? |
| 11:29.53 | DJJeff | really? |
| 11:30.00 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 11:30.01 | DJJeff | people think my gear is uber fail |
| 11:30.34 | airtonix | DJJeff, |
| 11:30.37 | DJJeff | 1 piece is PvP my stupid pendent |
| 11:30.45 | airtonix | DJJeff, i add you |
| 11:30.53 | DJJeff | add me where? |
| 11:31.04 | airtonix | moans |
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| 11:31.42 | DJJeff | add me on IRC? |
| 11:31.47 | DJJeff | is that even possible ? |
| 11:31.55 | airtonix | was it good for you baby ? |
| 11:31.59 | DJJeff | sure |
| 11:32.01 | DJJeff | why not |
| 11:32.10 | DJJeff | wanna ride my travlers tundra? |
| 11:32.15 | airtonix | RAPE! |
| 11:32.22 | airtonix | stranger danger! |
| 11:32.58 | DJJeff | my name CanadianJeff got reported....... |
| 11:32.59 | airtonix | DJJeff, how many seats ? |
| 11:33.07 | Fisker | slaps robokitty around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:33.20 | airtonix | Fisker, thats not your trout your slapping |
| 11:33.42 | DJJeff | im gonna re screenshot with my new BAZOOKA bar |
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| 11:44.09 | DJJeff | http://imgur.com/gfKuj.jpg |
| 11:44.37 | DJJeff | almost looks like my fubar again |
| 11:45.11 | DJJeff | hey look its a suicial mammoth |
| 11:45.14 | DJJeff | should I jump? |
| 11:45.23 | ReAn | danm whale shark |
| 11:45.30 | DJJeff | where? |
| 11:45.42 | ReAn | in beta |
| 11:45.47 | DJJeff | oh |
| 11:46.03 | ReAn | he's got a hitbox 1/2 the size of the zone |
| 11:46.07 | ReAn | so any aoe aggros him |
| 11:46.12 | DJJeff | I wanna be a kingslayer damn it |
| 11:46.22 | DJJeff | but no one else gives a damn on Ve Co |
| 11:46.53 | DJJeff | all my canadian friends are like level 30-60 |
| 11:47.01 | DJJeff | no where near 80 |
| 11:47.31 | DJJeff | people think I sound annoying in vent.... is my big weakness |
| 11:47.41 | DJJeff | (shrugs) |
| 11:47.45 | ReAn | <--- canadian |
| 11:47.53 | DJJeff | thats fucking awesome man |
| 11:47.56 | DJJeff | from BC? |
| 11:48.15 | ReAn | AB |
| 11:48.16 | DJJeff | more then 1/2 of The Venture Co is canadian :) |
| 11:48.27 | DJJeff | mostly from ontario tho |
| 11:48.34 | DJJeff | east coast |
| 11:49.08 | ReAn | guild on beta? |
| 11:49.32 | DJJeff | why is my unbuffed crit chance only 21% |
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| 11:49.48 | ReAn | remember new ratios in cata |
| 11:49.50 | DJJeff | some mages have like 40% unbuffed |
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| 11:50.13 | DJJeff | I bet if I replace that fucking PvP pendent |
| 11:50.16 | DJJeff | it will go up |
| 11:50.58 | DJJeff | brimstone igniter is kinda crappy too |
| 11:51.05 | DJJeff | (sigh) |
| 11:51.23 | DJJeff | this is why I need an icc 25 to replace them 2 items |
| 11:51.53 | DJJeff | hrmmmmm |
| 11:52.02 | airtonix | DJJeff, |
| 11:52.04 | DJJeff | time to post a screenshot of this on CraigsList |
| 11:52.06 | airtonix | i would think that |
| 11:52.18 | DJJeff | LF someone to play with |
| 11:52.27 | airtonix | ratingsbuster is more important than gearscore |
| 11:52.30 | ReAn | i love how HL / FoL are backwards on beta |
| 11:52.47 | DJJeff | whats ratingsbuster? |
| 11:52.58 | airtonix | yay |
| 11:53.00 | airtonix | virgin |
| 11:53.30 | DJJeff | its taken me 3 god damn years to get a 5901 |
| 11:53.38 | DJJeff | please break my cherry |
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| 11:53.49 | airtonix | http://www.wowace.com/addons/rating-buster/ |
| 11:54.24 | DJJeff | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/rating-buster.aspx ? |
| 11:54.25 | ReAn | gearscore is a retarded metric and should be stricken from wow |
| 11:55.10 | ReAn | FUCKING WHALESHARK |
| 11:55.15 | airtonix | DJJeff, can you see this image ? https://photos-2.dropbox.com/i/o/zAApJ43MwDRToE2M1r4ZeHdH3gXqEbmX2H3YAF-S7fk/180039/1279368000/d2a6725 |
| 11:55.26 | airtonix | or do i need to move it to public |
| 11:55.32 | DJJeff | my gear is fucking........ |
| 11:55.37 | DJJeff | nothing is wrong with it |
| 11:55.44 | DJJeff | that addon looks scary |
| 11:55.48 | DJJeff | I dont like #'s |
| 11:55.50 | DJJeff | also |
| 11:55.53 | DJJeff | use imgur |
| 11:56.03 | DJJeff | not dropbox |
| 11:56.03 | airtonix | ok there is actually two addons there in the tooltip |
| 11:56.24 | airtonix | all the orange text is some other non important addon |
| 11:56.34 | DJJeff | im not a tank or a healer |
| 11:56.37 | airtonix | but the stuff in brackets |
| 11:56.38 | DJJeff | I just pew pew hard |
| 11:56.41 | airtonix | doesnt matter |
| 11:56.58 | DJJeff | and see the #'s on my recount |
| 11:57.06 | airtonix | ratingsbuster reduces your um and arring about wether or not an item is an upgrade or not |
| 11:57.14 | airtonix | and how much of an upgrade it is |
| 11:57.22 | airtonix | depending on which stats you covet |
| 11:57.46 | ReAn | ratingbuster is awesome |
| 11:57.58 | DJJeff | gearscores ........... master looter shows whats an upgrade and what isnt |
| 11:58.01 | DJJeff | infact |
| 11:58.13 | airtonix | DJJeff, seriously, for others in my guild that used to take 5min to work out if an item was an upgrade this reduced that to 5sec |
| 11:58.16 | DJJeff | wow-heroes does a damn good job at whats an upgrade |
| 11:58.18 | DJJeff | and whats not |
| 11:58.21 | Morkesh | DJJeff: ratingbuster is one of those must-have addons |
| 11:58.43 | airtonix | DJJeff, it also helped them understand more about the stats that made up their build |
| 11:58.52 | |Jelly| | You could just figure out your stat weights and use Pawn. |
| 11:59.02 | Morkesh | gearscore is an incompetent way to measure players or gear in general |
| 11:59.03 | airtonix | true |
| 11:59.09 | Morkesh | higher ilvl is far from always an upgrade |
| 11:59.27 | ReAn | yep |
| 11:59.30 | ReAn | gearscore is dumb |
| 11:59.32 | ReAn | so dumb |
| 11:59.33 | Morkesh | wearing shadowmourne on my holy paladin would give me a higher gearscore but make me a very bad healer :P |
| 11:59.38 | airtonix | ilvl should be an variable thats hidden from client api |
| 11:59.50 | Fisker | NO! |
| 11:59.50 | ReAn | some retard priest told me that 4400 gs wasn't enough to tank heroic nexus |
| 12:00.04 | Fisker | why should it be airtonix ? |
| 12:00.08 | ReAn | so my 4400gs alt tank was "kicked" from nexus before it even began |
| 12:00.11 | airtonix | ReAn, thats ok, because that priest proves he/shee can't heal |
| 12:00.21 | ReAn | people are retarded |
| 12:00.23 | ReAn | period |
| 12:00.26 | Morkesh | airtonix: myeah, ilvl should be switched to something that would take your talents into consideration |
| 12:00.37 | airtonix | ReAn, man i'm so fucking awesome i healed naked mages through ulduar |
| 12:00.44 | airtonix | inb4 lulz |
| 12:00.50 | Grum | meh, that is a real fail of gs :/ |
| 12:00.56 | mikma | http://hotfile.com/dl/55098671/282772d/Futurama.S06E05.HDTV.XviD-aAF.rar.html |
| 12:00.59 | airtonix | Fisker, DISCO STU IN THE HOUSE |
| 12:01.02 | mikma | Season 6, Episode 5 . .The Duh-Vinci Code. |
| 12:01.06 | ReAn | Grum: 4400? |
| 12:01.22 | Grum | nah, the 'your score is not high enough for a heroic' ... |
| 12:01.31 | ReAn | basically 3k = heroics open |
| 12:01.34 | Grum | seriously .. unless you are in lvl78 greenies .. yeah maybe |
| 12:02.15 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.22 | airtonix | el oh el |
| 12:02.44 | airtonix | Grum, i tanked lvl80 heroics in my lvl 65 blues |
| 12:02.52 | airtonix | i mean 75 |
| 12:02.57 | ReAn | so did i |
| 12:02.58 | ReAn | shit |
| 12:03.02 | DJJeff | my gear is perfectly fine........... |
| 12:03.04 | Grum | yeah it shouldnt even be a problem |
| 12:03.05 | ReAn | i started tanking naxx 10 with blues |
| 12:03.12 | Grum | they even removed crushing blows o.O |
| 12:03.15 | ReAn | offtanking mind you |
| 12:03.15 | DJJeff | I know how to use wow-hereos upgrade finder |
| 12:03.19 | airtonix | omg windows 7 is so awesome youmust be braindead to use ms dos 5.2 |
| 12:03.27 | airtonix | ._. |
| 12:03.39 | DJJeff | I use WINDOWS 7 Ulitimate 64bit ED |
| 12:03.42 | DJJeff | :) |
| 12:03.53 | DJJeff | the speach rec is l33t |
| 12:03.55 | Grum | Ulitimate? awesome |
| 12:03.59 | Morkesh | DJJeff: if it does the job for you, fine with me, suit yourself :) but ratingbuster is in my opinion a must-have addon if not for you main then for your alts |
| 12:04.00 | airtonix | <sound of plane passing over head> |
| 12:04.09 | ReAn | ultimate is a waste of resources on a non-laptop imho |
| 12:04.12 | ReAn | pro is fine too |
| 12:04.13 | airtonix | ^ |
| 12:04.28 | Morkesh | Shadowed: i love you so much right now :D quick auctions have made me 10k gold in the last 2 days |
| 12:04.34 | DJJeff | I have 4GB RAM and a triple core processor |
| 12:04.38 | airtonix | i just removed a room full of windows 7 machines that were pentium 4s |
| 12:04.44 | Grum | Morkesh: what did you sell? :D |
| 12:04.51 | airtonix | the logic was that "it must be good because its the latest" |
| 12:05.02 | Morkesh | Grum: i lucked out this morning and ran into a hacked person |
| 12:05.06 | ReAn | <--- i7 Quad (Hyperthreaded) proc, w/ 12gb of ram |
| 12:05.13 | Morkesh | bought 17 uncut cardinal rubies for 65g/each :D |
| 12:05.14 | ReAn | and wow still runs like shit |
| 12:05.15 | DJJeff | show off? |
| 12:05.21 | ReAn | fucking blizz |
| 12:05.25 | ReAn | optimize your engine danmit |
| 12:05.31 | airtonix | ReAn, lulz. |
| 12:05.39 | Morkesh | also 52 dragon's eyes for 50g/each :D |
| 12:05.45 | DJJeff | ReAn: machine is too powerfull ? |
| 12:05.58 | DJJeff | too much crap running sloowing it down |
| 12:06.06 | DJJeff | too much pr0n |
| 12:06.09 | ReAn | lol |
| 12:06.10 | Morkesh | but mainly just buying uncut gems, cutting and relisting grum :) also bought eternal fire which i made to spellweave for some quick profit and naturally eternal belt buckles |
| 12:06.24 | Grum | Morkesh: lol :P |
| 12:07.18 | Wobin | oh my god. http://community.livejournal.com/food_porn/5862450.html?style=mine#cutid1 |
| 12:07.43 | Morkesh | hehe yeah Grum, karma might hit me hard in the end for helping to empty accounts of hacked people but the way i look at it, blizzard can restore it all with the click of a button and if i don't buy it, someone else will anyway |
| 12:07.56 | Wobin | oh damn, it's locked |
| 12:08.06 | Wobin | deep fried marshmallows, btw |
| 12:08.09 | airtonix | DJJeff, btw |
| 12:08.10 | Grum | actually you just contributed a tiny bit to inflation :p |
| 12:08.18 | airtonix | DJJeff, because you let me |
| 12:08.19 | Grum | Wobin: 'login required' o.O |
| 12:08.32 | airtonix | DJJeff, https://photos-3.dropbox.com/i/o/S7kjTCFHklX8RaSWZcrnwRBNkaaIFHg-WAcXjMxPVB8/180039/1279371600/dade453 |
| 12:08.53 | Morkesh | Grum: haha yeah, oh well :) comes cata it's all gonna be worth fuck all anyway with new green gems being equal to or greater than current epic ones |
| 12:09.03 | airtonix | DJJeff, thats what my screen looked like when i press the tilda key |
| 12:09.16 | DJJeff | hey im in my daily heroic |
| 12:09.19 | DJJeff | I will B R B |
| 12:09.27 | Wobin | Grum: yeah, have to be a member of the community |
| 12:09.34 | Wobin | well worth it, imo, some -great- food =) |
| 12:09.52 | Wobin | http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad21/audioxxx/IMG_0487.png |
| 12:10.03 | Wobin | http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad21/audioxxx/IMG_0483.png |
| 12:10.10 | Morkesh | is there nothing you americans wont deep fry? :P |
| 12:10.10 | Wobin | http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad21/audioxxx/IMG_0485.png |
| 12:10.29 | airtonix | DJJeff, http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/180039/2/screenshots/wow?h=793434 |
| 12:10.46 | Wobin | Morkesh: normally I agree with that sentiment, but... this is like toasted marshmallow but with extra awesome |
| 12:13.01 | Morkesh | Wobin: i must admit it does look good |
| 12:13.22 | Grum | DAMN U! |
| 12:13.32 | Fisker | slaps Grum around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:13.38 | Morkesh | good thing a danish company just donated 880million DKK to do research in lifestyle diseases :P means you americans can eat away and danish science will save your ass |
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| 12:14.36 | ReAn | danmit |
| 12:14.39 | ReAn | EK crashed |
| 12:14.41 | ReAn | AGAIN |
| 12:16.37 | amro | http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad21/audioxxx/IMG_0485.png <- looks like rocks at the beach |
| 12:16.41 | Grum | EK has been bouncing up and down all of yesterday as well |
| 12:16.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | Morkesh: where I live you can get fried butter |
| 12:16.48 | Grum | just over a minute down and then back up again |
| 12:16.55 | Grum | and your location often being rollbacked a bit |
| 12:16.55 | ReAn | looking @ my shaman on beta just reminded me to go on her and sell up a storm on live |
| 12:17.25 | Wobin | amro: rocks filled with melted marshmallow goodness |
| 12:17.28 | amro | sylvanaar_atwork: wtf? how do you fry butter? |
| 12:17.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | i dont know |
| 12:17.38 | Wobin | freeze it |
| 12:17.39 | amro | do you butter up the pan first? |
| 12:17.45 | Wobin | batter then deepfry |
| 12:17.50 | Wobin | it's the same as deep fried ice cream |
| 12:17.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | i think wobin is right, you freeze it |
| 12:17.58 | Morkesh | sylvanaar: that sounds like a really foul thing to eat :S |
| 12:18.02 | amro | people are insane |
| 12:18.17 | Wobin | the marshmallow 'batter' btw, is crushed up graham cracker and coco pops |
| 12:18.34 | amro | why not inject clay into your heart and get that arrest over with |
| 12:18.47 | Wobin | cause it doesn't taste as good, that way, I guess? =) |
| 12:19.04 | Wobin | I mean, if you're going to inject clay into your heart, you may as well enjoy it! |
| 12:19.37 | amro | good point |
| 12:19.52 | amro | but then again there's better tasting food than fried freaking butter |
| 12:20.02 | Wobin | have you tried it? |
| 12:20.17 | Wobin | I haven't, but I'm willing to reserve judgement on it til I do =P |
| 12:20.25 | amro | I like butter in very small doses |
| 12:20.38 | Morkesh | Wobin: unless you insist on stereotypical dishes, healthy eating & living doesn't mean your food will be bland and disgusting :P |
| 12:20.40 | amro | I accidentally put too much in a sandwich once and nearly threw up |
| 12:20.56 | Wobin | You didn't toast it enough |
| 12:21.08 | Morkesh | being Danish i'm having a hard time relating to this new concept of too much butter |
| 12:21.18 | Morkesh | i've only stumbled upon no butter or too little |
| 12:21.27 | Grum | frozen deepfried butter ... |
| 12:21.30 | amro | I'm sorry to hear you have a butter shortage |
| 12:21.45 | Morkesh | i don't anymore :) |
| 12:24.10 | Fisker | in my amro |
| 12:25.01 | DJJeff | airtonix: why is your screen so god damn dark? |
| 12:25.35 | airtonix | DJJeff, thats the dash layer |
| 12:26.03 | airtonix | DJJeff, press the tilda key to toggle it on and off. it was where i hid most of the ui stuff i didn't need all the time |
| 12:26.44 | DJJeff | tilda does nothing for me |
| 12:26.45 | DJJeff | only you |
| 12:27.05 | airtonix | you need to have the mod "dash" |
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| 12:27.27 | airtonix | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7391-Dash.html |
| 12:29.05 | DJJeff | is that UBUNTU???? |
| 12:29.14 | airtonix | yes |
| 12:29.20 | airtonix | https://photos-3.dropbox.com/i/o/Uk4WmjPqFqSCCtBhN-YY0GE8j8Vwuk8efGg7iFPXzfA/180039/1279371600/d2ab542 |
| 12:29.26 | airtonix | there is the screen without the dash layer |
| 12:29.49 | ReAn | anyone know if the hierlooms work past 80? |
| 12:30.32 | Maldivia | they dont |
| 12:30.40 | ReAn | not even the exp bonus? |
| 12:30.43 | Fisker | people are tiring |
| 12:30.45 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=14129644282&sid=1&pageNo=2#31 |
| 12:30.50 | Fisker | think i'll get banned? |
| 12:30.59 | Maldivia | ReAn: especially not the xp bonus |
| 12:31.23 | Maldivia | ReAn: when you get level 85, you can buy heirloom items that work past 80 |
| 12:31.50 | Morkesh | airtonix: any plans on updating smee2 if it's yours? |
| 12:32.17 | airtonix | Morkesh, i'd have to start playing again to do that |
| 12:32.19 | Morkesh | ReAn: one of the guild perks will give you 5% extra xp though |
| 12:32.28 | Morkesh | oh :/ sorry, thought you did airtonix |
| 12:33.16 | DJJeff | I wish Dalaran University got updated |
| 12:33.23 | DJJeff | I still dont have all the books yet |
| 12:33.36 | DJJeff | its nice when it flashes when a book is real |
| 12:33.45 | DJJeff | the timezone thing is off tho |
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| 12:37.19 | Maldivia | *grumble* whiskey... *grumble* |
| 12:40.53 | Grum | lol seriously ... wtf .. someone with a hotmail account complains about spam? :/ |
| 12:41.56 | Fisker | Gotta watch out too |
| 12:42.03 | Fisker | The last (i.e. first) ban i got was 2 weeks |
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| 12:51.12 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/072010/sex_addicted_boyfriend.jpg |
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| 12:54.25 | Wobin | If you watch a horror movie backwards it's about a white couple that makes increasingly multicultural friends over the course of the film. |
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| 12:55.10 | airtonix | lulz |
| 12:59.13 | alestane | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20100716 ...sad, but true. |
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| 13:16.09 | amro | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/godsgarden |
| 13:17.10 | amro | daigo getting owned |
| 13:18.07 | airtonix | god you fucking mexicans are fucking racist |
| 13:18.29 | airtonix | why you gotta be so sad on italians |
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| 13:19.10 | airtonix | `-FISKER_Q, why so tildaQ ? |
| 13:20.46 | robokitty | Fusker, why so Hellscream multiboxing? |
| 13:21.38 | airtonix | backtick dash FISKER |
| 13:21.48 | airtonix | ~seen fiskersmom |
| 13:21.51 | purl | fiskersmom <~4b6507b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-swkxaxkxejrspgpg> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 37d 19h 29m 45s ago, saying: 'Fisker: i need relief. come home.'. |
| 13:22.00 | airtonix | wow so much neglect |
| 13:22.52 | robokitty | :| |
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| 13:31.05 | Kraps | wtf's at chat |
| 13:34.58 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/767/ |
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| 13:37.07 | Kraps | derp Lawsuit against 'Harry Potter' publishers moves forward |
| 13:40.16 | cbreak_work | someone sued them for imbuing the minds of your precious children with heretic unchristian values of mages and witches? |
| 13:41.26 | Kraps | nah, plagiarism |
| 13:41.36 | Kraps | http://www.hpana.com/news.20866.html |
| 13:41.53 | cbreak_work | zomg, we had mages first!? |
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| 13:49.40 | nevcairiel | So, who can invite to the EU alliance guild? :) |
| 13:50.46 | Grum | amro: wtf on earth is that :D |
| 13:51.25 | amro | Grum: mochi vs daigo, first to ten I think |
| 13:51.34 | Grum | but what on earth is it? :D |
| 13:51.40 | Grum | lots of screaming at least ;D |
| 13:51.56 | amro | yeah, because daigo won world champion not a week ago and now he's tasting the dirt |
| 13:52.23 | Grum | i guess hes the blue-shooting=thingie |
| 13:53.49 | Grum | so much screaming! :D |
| 13:55.07 | amro | yes, he's the one shooting blue shit |
| 13:55.42 | Grum | looks majorly repetative hehe |
| 13:56.23 | Grum | haha |
| 13:56.25 | Grum | close one! :D |
| 13:56.34 | Grum | what game is that anyhow? |
| 13:56.39 | amro | super street fighter 4 |
| 13:57.00 | amro | this matchup is one of my favorites |
| 13:57.03 | Grum | both are 'good' players? |
| 13:57.08 | amro | yes |
| 13:57.18 | amro | daigo is probably the most famous |
| 13:58.08 | amro | basically, dhalsim can beat ryu's fireballs with his long poke, ryu can beat the poke with shoryuken, dhalsim can just throw a fireball to avoid risking eating a shoryuken |
| 13:58.13 | amro | it's like a fullscreen rock-paper-scissors :P |
| 13:58.35 | Grum | again close one there :D |
| 13:59.12 | Grum | seems the long pokes are sortof the only thing that flexible dude can do :D |
| 13:59.24 | amro | yes, he's very weak up close |
| 13:59.32 | amro | but it's really hard to get up in his face as you can see |
| 13:59.47 | Grum | funny blocking does 0 damage |
| 14:00.08 | amro | hm? |
| 14:00.17 | amro | only special attacks deal damage on block |
| 14:00.23 | Grum | ah k |
| 14:00.25 | Grum | like that last one |
| 14:00.42 | Grum | i assume everything has a counter if executed in time? |
| 14:00.50 | amro | yep |
| 14:00.56 | amro | but not everything can be reacted to |
| 14:01.00 | amro | hence the rock-paper-scissors aspect |
| 14:01.04 | Grum | finish? O.o |
| 14:01.16 | amro | sometimes you have to read your opponent's mind |
| 14:01.29 | amro | I don't know, I stopped watching cause I'm going to download the full thing in better quality later |
| 14:01.33 | amro | so don't tell me who won :P |
| 14:01.37 | Grum | oooh hehe |
| 14:01.44 | amro | I just watched the first 5 |
| 14:01.45 | Grum | well i wont tell you what the last matches were then |
| 14:02.00 | Grum | if they are done and assuming its a best of X |
| 14:05.31 | Kraps | lol nipples http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/july/ss1066.jpg |
| 14:05.47 | Grum | stop rubbing yourself Kraps:D |
| 14:05.56 | Kraps | shhhh |
| 14:08.26 | Kraps | i dont understand why spell pushback is in the game |
| 14:08.38 | airtonix | did you see that fan made real life ryu and ken movie ? |
| 14:08.58 | airtonix | "real life" |
| 14:09.00 | airtonix | lol |
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| 14:10.08 | amro | the one that didn't suck? |
| 14:10.09 | amro | yeah |
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| 14:11.54 | Grum | Kraps: i dont understand why casters dont get things to stun melee :/ |
| 14:12.11 | Grum | which can be used as often |
| 14:12.43 | amro | it's a relic |
| 14:13.17 | amro | they don't want to remove it because it's too late |
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| 14:14.37 | Kraps | i dont think it is |
| 14:15.12 | Kraps | most casters are getting 70% reduction automaticlly |
| 14:15.28 | alestane | So: is there any way in C++ to nest a namespace inside a class's name scope? |
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| 14:21.31 | nevcairiel | When i could just have *one* addon in the beta right now |
| 14:21.37 | nevcairiel | i would want a one-bag-type addon |
| 14:22.12 | nevcairiel | also, anyone here that can invite to the eu alliance guild? :) |
| 14:25.16 | Ackis | nevcairiel: I want my mount addon and a one bag addon :( |
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| 14:26.25 | nevcairiel | screw mount addons, just use one damn mount |
| 14:27.20 | Ackis | nevcairiel: I wanted smart mounting for me with a keybind to z |
| 14:27.31 | Ackis | don't really care about random mounts :P |
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| 14:27.46 | nevcairiel | you can macro that, pretty much |
| 14:28.02 | Ackis | I thought it wasn't working because of dalaran? |
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| 14:28.17 | nevcairiel | didnt they fix that? also, wth are you doing in dalaran? |
| 14:28.24 | Ackis | that's where I logged in :P |
| 14:28.30 | Ackis | only spent 3 minutes in beta so far :P |
| 14:29.00 | A-KO | lol |
| 14:29.03 | A-KO | Ackis which realm you on? |
| 14:29.10 | Ackis | I copied to both pve/pvp |
| 14:29.11 | Warloco | o.o |
| 14:29.14 | A-KO | horde? |
| 14:29.18 | Ackis | ally |
| 14:29.20 | A-KO | fail |
| 14:29.25 | A-KO | copy a pre-made over to horde! :P |
| 14:29.36 | A-KO | actulaly, I'll premade over to ally on the pvp realm and do Vash'Jir |
| 14:29.45 | A-KO | if you wanna quest/dungeon crawl/etc. |
| 14:29.45 | Ackis | I used to be a troll priest, but not imma sexy female human priest |
| 14:29.54 | Ackis | (note sexes do not matter if you're a troll) |
| 14:33.35 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 14:33.49 | Ackis | no |
| 14:35.28 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 14:36.08 | Fisker | this will not stop until i end you Ackis |
| 14:36.47 | Ackis | why is it funny to place stuff on a cats head and then take pictures? |
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| 14:37.02 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/07/15/funny-pictures-apply-directly/ |
| 14:37.12 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 14:37.31 | alestane | Funny is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. |
| 14:38.14 | Fisker | http://failblog.org/2010/07/16/epic-fail-photos-recommendation-fail/ |
| 14:38.16 | Fisker | fffffffffuuuuuuuuuu- |
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| 14:38.42 | Fisker | ZorbaTHutmen |
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| 14:43.49 | airtonix | same reason it's funny to remind fisker to phone home and say hi to his mum |
| 14:44.09 | Wobin | anyone available to invite to the Beta guild? |
| 14:44.39 | airtonix | fisker can |
| 14:44.53 | Fisker | i will mess you up airtonix |
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| 14:48.05 | Fisker | so ckknight |
| 14:48.19 | Fisker | in 2 hours Steve Jobs will introduce the all brand new iPhone 4 v2 |
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| 14:48.53 | Ackis | http://fukung.net/v/23698/ea-vs-relic-video-game-names-502x700.jpg is this amusing to anyone else? |
| 14:48.57 | Ackis | (SFW) |
| 14:48.58 | Fisker | and for only $999.99 in a trade-in for the iPhone 4 it can be yours |
| 14:49.23 | malreth | i can't wait! i'm gonna buy 3 |
| 14:49.47 | airtonix | http://thatwillbuffout.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/b82eff51-d536-4219-9a7e-efa177daefc3.jpg |
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| 14:51.53 | Wobin | airtonix: I cannot see how that is even physically feasible |
| 14:52.04 | Drazisil | Really silly question: When using svn, where do I put my files...in the trunk folder? |
| 14:52.05 | Wobin | unless it's a -really- fast growing tree |
| 14:52.19 | airtonix | Wobin, dude... time space distortion theory |
| 14:52.33 | Wobin | oh you're right, that is a Time Pine |
| 14:52.36 | airtonix | when you shake somethign really fast |
| 14:52.38 | Wobin | you can tell by not counting the rings |
| 14:54.18 | amro | Wobin: obviously, the physics engine wasn't stepping frequently enough to catch the collision |
| 14:54.29 | airtonix | http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/6/29/287757e6-4029-4133-a8e9-570b42268ac2.jpg |
| 14:55.42 | Seerah | Drazisil: yes |
| 14:56.06 | airtonix | http://thatwillbuffout.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/funny-car-photos-blocked-in-literally.jpg |
| 14:58.15 | Wobin | airtonix: the cheezeburger one reminds me of http://i28.tinypic.com/k4gv47.gif |
| 14:58.17 | Drazisil | @Seerah: Thnks :) |
| 14:58.52 | Seerah | Wobin: hehe |
| 14:59.10 | Kraps | Ackis: ea isnt saying that relic sucks :p |
| 14:59.34 | Ackis | Kraps: relic ftw |
| 14:59.39 | Ackis | EA sucks & relic ftw |
| 14:59.43 | Ackis | it's amusing |
| 15:00.02 | Kraps | odd |
| 15:00.14 | Ackis | Chantelle's bday is in a week and I have no clue what to get her :( |
| 15:00.31 | amro | who's Chantelle? |
| 15:00.40 | Ackis | my fiancee |
| 15:00.48 | Seerah | don't get her something like a stove again |
| 15:00.51 | amro | get her a fiancee who knows what to get her. |
| 15:00.53 | amro | ~ohsnap |
| 15:00.55 | malreth | or a vacuum cleaner |
| 15:00.56 | Ackis | haha Seerah |
| 15:01.02 | Ackis | I wanted to get her the magic bullet blender |
| 15:01.04 | Kraps | a fridge! |
| 15:01.17 | Slakah | anyone on EU horde side able to chuck me an invite to the guild(char name: Slakah) |
| 15:01.27 | malreth | Ackis: any gift for a chick that starts with the words, "magic" and "bullet"... |
| 15:01.34 | malreth | is probably nsfw |
| 15:01.37 | Seerah | (Ackis actually did get her a stove for Valentine's Day >.< But HEY - as long as that's what she wanted!) |
| 15:01.43 | Ackis | :D |
| 15:01.55 | Kraps | lol |
| 15:02.16 | Ackis | that was more of a necessary purchase around valentine's day and we just had fun with it :P |
| 15:02.17 | Seerah | I know nothing more romantic that the appliance that Ackis can say "woman! make me a romantic dinner!" |
| 15:02.36 | Seerah | :D |
| 15:02.39 | Seerah | hugs Ackis |
| 15:02.42 | Ackis | her computer is 4 feet away from the stove, she got the hint ;) |
| 15:02.44 | Kraps | whats the next step after 1440x900? |
| 15:02.52 | Wobin | Ackis: Roomba |
| 15:03.05 | Seerah | oooh - animals would have fun with that |
| 15:03.09 | Ackis | oh God |
| 15:03.11 | Ackis | no |
| 15:03.14 | Ackis | just no |
| 15:03.24 | Seerah | would the barking ever cease? |
| 15:03.37 | Ackis | the dog isn't the issue, it's the cats |
| 15:03.56 | malreth | my cat continuously attacks the roomba |
| 15:04.13 | Seerah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf9wHkkNGUU |
| 15:05.02 | Ackis | hehe |
| 15:05.05 | Ackis | I've seen that one before |
| 15:06.38 | Ackis | I told her that you guys suggested a fridge |
| 15:06.41 | Ackis | she's not happy with you at all |
| 15:07.55 | Seerah | I didn't! |
| 15:08.15 | Ackis | I told her you were the mastermind! |
| 15:08.22 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 15:08.22 | Seerah | :( |
| 15:08.24 | A-KO | what to do about lunch |
| 15:08.31 | A-KO | drive somewhere to get a decent cheesesteak |
| 15:08.34 | Seerah | I don't know if I want to be friends with you anymore, Ackis :( |
| 15:08.35 | A-KO | or walk somewhere to save some $ |
| 15:08.44 | A-KO | should probably walk and save some $ due to my upcoming vacation |
| 15:08.54 | Seerah | plus you'll burn some calories! |
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| 15:09.23 | A-KO | I do that at the gym already :P |
| 15:10.37 | Ackis | https://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/6880b1d1-f80a-450e-ab4d-95e6cd56eddb.jpg |
| 15:12.19 | foxlit | Search curse.com: "authenticator" suggestion: "authenticator keylogger" |
| 15:12.33 | Ackis | curse logs your keys |
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| 15:13.22 | foxlit | But what I was really looking for is whether someone implemented some sort of pre-shared key authentication as you log into your guild. |
| 15:13.45 | foxlit | "Zomg, Bob is doesn't have our secret addon key, bob must be out to steal our guild bank" |
| 15:13.54 | Ackis | there was an addon like that |
| 15:13.58 | Ackis | I remember approving it |
| 15:14.00 | A-KO | foxlit: I thought about that for a while, about doing that... |
| 15:14.11 | foxlit | I have time, not that it'd take long. |
| 15:14.43 | foxlit | Ackis: project or download, though? |
| 15:14.53 | alestane | hops in Peppy's lap to see what's in her lunchbox. |
| 15:15.02 | foxlit | I thought I saw some "hey this'd be nice but I have no clue" description somewhere, but I can't find it again |
| 15:15.13 | Seerah | I remember seeing something like that before, too |
| 15:15.18 | Seerah | though I don't remember what it was called |
| 15:15.25 | foxlit | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/authenticator/ |
| 15:15.50 | foxlit | And there are no donwloads. Time to step on some toes, then |
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| 15:17.27 | airtonix | what it actually was : |
| 15:17.36 | Ackis | foxlit: no downloads as it's experimental |
| 15:17.38 | airtonix | your friends and you ran this addon |
| 15:17.39 | Kraps | lol someone asked if hl2 is any good. someone answered "idk what do you thing http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/halflife2/review.html?mode=web&tag=scoresummary%3Bcritic-score " |
| 15:17.46 | Ackis | Jiminizer: don't DCC chat me, just /msg me :P |
| 15:17.47 | Kraps | think* |
| 15:17.59 | foxlit | Ackis: I'm right in interpreting that as "Nobody wrote any usable code"? |
| 15:18.07 | airtonix | and when your account came online without the addon = you hacked |
| 15:18.15 | Jiminizer | Ackis: Sorry to pester, but do you know the ETA on getting a key after placing an order, so I can rest my F5 key? :P Mine's been 32 hours, but my mate's was almost instant :/ |
| 15:18.15 | batrick | "Both of these are solved problems in private/public key authentication: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography." |
| 15:18.19 | batrick | pretty rediculous |
| 15:18.22 | airtonix | and it was like oh lol your friend is hacked |
| 15:18.26 | batrick | don't need that for a simple addon like that |
| 15:18.34 | Ackis | foxlit: in this case, yeah, there was no code uploaded onto CF for that project |
| 15:18.54 | Jiminizer | I wasnt down as a developer on one project I worked on and dunno if its worth resubmitting so that it's taken into account |
| 15:18.56 | foxlit | batbot: needs a trap door, though. |
| 15:19.25 | Ackis | Jiminizer: sometime today, both sites are getting keys today and they'll be given out once they get them, I don't think blizz offices are even open right now |
| 15:19.45 | Jiminizer | Ah, nice one cheers :) |
| 15:19.53 | Jiminizer | I'll keep F5ing :P |
| 15:20.44 | Ackis | I'm sure Kaelten will announce when he's had a chance to dole them out, Cairenn|afk announces when she does |
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| 15:23.12 | ckknight | I shall steal all the keys |
| 15:23.13 | ckknight | mwahaha |
| 15:23.38 | airtonix | ckknight, jolly good |
| 15:23.44 | airtonix | NOTHING TO SEE HERE |
| 15:23.48 | airtonix | move along |
| 15:24.00 | ckknight | as a loyal minion, you will receive half a key today, and half a key tomorrow |
| 15:24.21 | alestane | But will they be halves of the same key? |
| 15:24.25 | ckknight | ...no |
| 15:24.34 | nevcairiel | yay a puzzle game |
| 15:24.35 | airtonix | but we won't let fisker know that |
| 15:24.48 | Ackis | http://failblog.org/2010/07/16/epic-fail-photos-recommendation-fail/ potentially NSFW |
| 15:25.02 | nevcairiel | old |
| 15:25.09 | nevcairiel | even fisker linked that already |
| 15:25.13 | airtonix | lulz |
| 15:25.27 | airtonix | Ackis, are you also banned from the irc logs ? |
| 15:26.48 | Ackis | probably :P |
| 15:28.04 | foxlit | "Please log out to get rest and exercise." |
| 15:28.39 | foxlit | Also, "For the sake of your own health, please go offline and rest, do some exercise, and arrange your time properly." |
| 15:28.52 | Grum | Fisker quickly bought wotlk to 'not look strange' ;P |
| 15:28.53 | Kaelten | Ackis: lol, ya saw this this morning |
| 15:29.08 | foxlit | Those asian playtime limitation messages are getting weirder. |
| 15:30.06 | airtonix | foxlit, what are you playing ? |
| 15:30.17 | foxlit | airtonix: nothing; it's in wow's globalstrings |
| 15:30.22 | airtonix | oh |
| 15:30.26 | foxlit | I was trying to find the "come online"/"come offline" messages |
| 15:30.32 | airtonix | aion had those too |
| 15:30.39 | malreth | perks up at the mention of "asian playtime" |
| 15:30.57 | cog|work | *sigh* |
| 15:31.15 | cog|work | just had the "pleasure" of my first experience with EA account support |
| 15:31.16 | malreth | and by "perk up" i really mean "have an erection" |
| 15:31.41 | amro | cog|work: activation problem? |
| 15:31.44 | alestane | If I remember Lunessa right, someone needs to take a drink now. |
| 15:33.26 | cog|work | amro: http://cogwheel.pastey.net/138642 |
| 15:33.47 | malreth | ~alestane++ |
| 15:35.04 | foxlit | cog|work: you bought a game from EA? |
| 15:35.06 | foxlit | ONLINE?! |
| 15:35.16 | foxlit | FROM THEIR STORE?! |
| 15:35.18 | cog|work | foxlit: my wife lurvs the sims... never had any problems before |
| 15:35.28 | cog|work | and i buy MAYBE one game a year |
| 15:35.37 | cog|work | so it's not like i pay attention to QQers |
| 15:35.41 | cog|work | :P |
| 15:36.00 | foxlit | EA Store scares me away every time I consider purchasing something from it |
| 15:36.10 | Grum | dont say sorry for being rightfully frustrated :( |
| 15:36.27 | cog|work | Grum: it's not his fault he's an idiot :> |
| 15:36.43 | Grum | but it's your fault for not telling him so he would know it at least ;D |
| 15:36.48 | foxlit | Something about "extended download insurance" that'd let you download the game for up to 12, count them, 12 months! |
| 15:37.27 | Kraps | cog|work: d2d |
| 15:37.32 | foxlit | Steam, really |
| 15:37.58 | foxlit | except steam has no sims games. |
| 15:38.00 | Grum | i dont get the whole 'you can only downlaod it for so long' |
| 15:38.02 | foxlit | That is very weird. |
| 15:38.07 | Grum | not as if the games are suddenly to 'big' to hold |
| 15:38.17 | cog|work | foxlit: the price on EA was 1/2 of the steam price |
| 15:38.22 | Kraps | foxlit: bought my sims game on d2d |
| 15:38.34 | amro | it's a COMPLICATED issue |
| 15:38.54 | cog|work | foxlit: of course, if EA charges me twice............ |
| 15:39.04 | Grum | hahahaha |
| 15:39.09 | Grum | so that is how they make their money :D |
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| 15:48.50 | Fisker | haha cog|work |
| 15:49.00 | Fisker | like a year ago i wanted to preorder C&C4 |
| 15:49.29 | Fisker | but for some reason the payment failed (it looked like it went through, but it didn't if you visited the status page) |
| 15:49.36 | Fisker | so i e-mailed them |
| 15:49.45 | Fisker | got an auto-reply back |
| 15:49.47 | Fisker | and that was it |
| 15:49.55 | Fisker | Glad they never fixed it |
| 15:49.57 | Fisker | :3 |
| 15:50.08 | Fisker | in a way it was great support without them even knowing |
| 15:50.40 | cog|work | hehe |
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| 15:51.03 | Fisker | anyway if you want to buy anything from EA, buy it on Steam |
| 15:51.20 | Fisker | Been more than enough crysis sales there |
| 15:51.25 | cog|work | yeah, i'm thinking it's worth the extra $15 -_- |
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| 15:56.15 | Warloco | anyone else who's refreshing the wowi front page every 15-30 minutes? :p |
| 15:56.38 | Niv | wht? :) |
| 15:56.43 | Lopeppeppy | Does the giveaway rely on refreshing that page? |
| 15:56.44 | Niv | why even |
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| 15:57.19 | Warloco | I figure when the newspost updates saying the next 50 are distributed |
| 15:57.23 | Warloco | then they'll be distributed |
| 15:57.54 | Ackis | Warloco: Cairenn|afk will announce here in the channel |
| 15:58.09 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: Your Beta Key will be shown below as we receive keys from Blizzard so please check back often! We will post news on our community page regarding what range of tracking ID's have been assigned keys. You will not be contacted when your key is assigned. |
| 15:58.10 | Warloco | im not here all the time though >.< |
| 15:58.13 | Cloudwolf | Lol i feel proud. SMB aid the eu horde guild is garbage collectors :D |
| 15:58.14 | Fisker | I'd figure in a couple of hours when Blizzard wakes up |
| 15:58.36 | Warloco | see! |
| 15:58.44 | Warloco | :p |
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| 15:59.01 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:59.25 | Warloco | I should probably start reading all the stuff on the beta forums, thouhgh a lot of it kind of looks like "wouldnt it be cool if" kind of stuff |
| 16:03.00 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, so it does. Poor little home page, getting beaten on all the time. |
| 16:04.09 | Fisker | holy shit |
| 16:04.11 | Fisker | the droid x |
| 16:04.24 | Fisker | has a chip that apparently fucks up the phone if you're not on stock bootloader |
| 16:04.31 | Fisker | that should be downright criminal that shit there |
| 16:05.18 | Warloco | heh |
| 16:05.24 | Ackis | old news Fisker, people were QQing about it yesterday (rightfully so) |
| 16:05.36 | Ackis | you modify the bootloader, you brick your phone |
| 16:05.39 | malreth | you can't replace the bootloader on an iphone so i hardly see why this would be a problem for a google phone |
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| 16:05.59 | Fisker | You can't do custom roms that way |
| 16:06.08 | Fisker | well i guess technically you could with some kind of loader in the other OS |
| 16:06.17 | Fisker | but that's not really that great of a del either |
| 16:07.08 | Fisker | deal* |
| 16:07.10 | malreth | what does it really mean? does it mean that the Droid X won't run third party apps? |
| 16:07.19 | Fisker | third party bootloaders |
| 16:07.31 | malreth | who even uses third party bootloaders? |
| 16:07.39 | Fisker | People |
| 16:07.43 | Fisker | who want custom roms |
| 16:07.54 | malreth | right... but what benefit do they provide? |
| 16:08.01 | Fisker | Many |
| 16:08.05 | malreth | like? |
| 16:08.07 | Fisker | Kernel improvements, root, etc. |
| 16:08.21 | Fisker | Not to mention better bootloader itself, even backups and such |
| 16:08.22 | malreth | so, like... they make the phone run faster? |
| 16:08.28 | Fisker | For example |
| 16:08.40 | Fisker | You can also make it run more optimal to conserve battery usage |
| 16:08.55 | Fisker | Some custom roms undervolts the CPU |
| 16:09.05 | Lopeppeppy | I just don't like the concept of an outside source being able to brick my telephone based on their own decision that I'm using it wrong. |
| 16:09.07 | Fisker | resulting in lower power usage |
| 16:09.07 | malreth | ah... so they provide fixes that google isn't making for some reason? |
| 16:09.20 | Fisker | also that yeah |
| 16:09.26 | Fisker | or haven't made public yet |
| 16:09.44 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy it's entirely your own decision whether or not you want to flash a phone of course |
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| 16:10.35 | malreth | i guess someone's gonna start a class action suit against google or motorola then |
| 16:11.14 | Fisker | Motorola yeah :P |
| 16:11.17 | Ackis | I really like the class action lawsuit against apple and AT&T for the whole "2 year phone contract but 5 year exclusive iPhone -> I'm forced to stick with AT&T" |
| 16:11.45 | malreth | Ackis: likely won't make it past summary judgement |
| 16:11.52 | batrick | no u |
| 16:12.55 | Ackis | I'm curious how it'll all pan out |
| 16:13.46 | Fisker | i hate media |
| 16:13.55 | Fisker | "lolol hold differently" |
| 16:13.58 | Fisker | 2 hours later |
| 16:14.09 | Fisker | "OMG IPHONE 4 IN DENMARK JULY 30TH I AM GOING TO CUM" |
| 16:14.32 | DWSR | Also, custom roms also allow you to remove stuff that comes on the phone by default. |
| 16:14.41 | malreth | it's possible that "the media" consists of multiple people, each with their own motivations and interests |
| 16:14.59 | Fisker | same person actually |
| 16:15.03 | DWSR | I get 5x the battery by rooting my phone and removing the built in apps from Sony. |
| 16:15.14 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 16:15.19 | Fisker | that was pretty much what i said :P |
| 16:15.29 | Fisker | And yeah the option to bundle app packages is awesome as well |
| 16:15.40 | DWSR | Yep |
| 16:15.55 | DWSR | Waiting for a froyo rom for my xperia |
| 16:16.10 | malreth | DWSR: why would Sony purposely screw their phone up like that? |
| 16:16.50 | DWSR | They don't "screw up" per se, it's just the apps that they bundle. |
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| 16:17.01 | DWSR | They are power hungry. |
| 16:17.04 | Fisker | To be honest, power management could use a great overhaul |
| 16:17.11 | Fisker | There are many neat tricks to save power |
| 16:17.26 | malreth | it'd be like a car manufacturer that includes a helpful 50-lb weight in the trunk that has a NASCAR logo on it |
| 16:17.32 | DWSR | I'm using ultimatejuice. |
| 16:17.35 | Fisker | I pretty much doubled my battery lifetime by having it disable wifi when the phone isn't in use |
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| 16:30.08 | Warloco | Fisker"OMG IPHONE 4 IN DENMARK JULY 30TH I AM GOING TO CUM" |
| 16:30.08 | Warloco | Just make sure you hold it right, otherwise it might not work |
| 16:30.34 | Warloco | *cough* talking about the phone ofcourse |
| 16:31.43 | Fisker | i'm looking forward to the football fields of shit he'll be shoveling in the face of all his fans |
| 16:32.14 | Warloco | hehe |
| 16:34.22 | amro | who? |
| 16:34.56 | Fisker | steve jobs |
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| 16:37.37 | malreth | why would you care what he says? |
| 16:37.52 | Fisker | entertainment |
| 16:37.55 | malreth | sounds like you just don't have a lot of worthwhile things that you could actually be doing |
| 16:38.33 | Fisker | So people who desire to be entertained have a lot of worthwhile things that they could actually be doing? |
| 16:39.44 | malreth | listening to company CEOs is entertainment? |
| 16:39.50 | malreth | sounds more like work |
| 16:40.07 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: wait, you're saying Fisker has nothing worthwhile to do? NO WAY~! [/sarcasm\] |
| 16:40.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i assumed that was why he hung out here, nothing better to do :P |
| 16:40.50 | malreth | NightHawkTheSane: i know rite? i mean, that's valuable time that he could be using to flash a new bootloader to his phone, or something |
| 16:41.09 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: i dunno, doing that might cause an eFuse to go off, and brick his phone |
| 16:41.12 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 16:41.30 | malreth | hee hee hee *snort* EXCELSIOR! |
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| 16:43.42 | Maldivia | pats the World Server |
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| 16:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | Still being a cranky wench, the beta server? |
| 16:49.05 | foxlit | it's not too bad, but it still falls over on occasion. |
| 16:51.26 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/temp/hash << 7 seconds :( |
| 16:51.39 | Ackis | i gotta get some supdawg later |
| 16:51.40 | nevcairiel | anyone in the eu alliance guild with invite powers? |
| 16:52.36 | Jamash | anyone need an invite to the horde side us pve ui guild? |
| 16:53.52 | foxlit | Doesn't look like I can optimize that further without replacing bitlib :/ |
| 16:54.26 | Jamash | what hash algorithm is that? |
| 16:54.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I hate you |
| 16:55.32 | foxlit | Jamash: sha2 |
| 16:55.38 | Jamash | ah |
| 16:55.41 | foxlit | You can google the magic numbers :) |
| 16:56.24 | Jamash | mmm, magic |
| 16:56.39 | Ackis | ÆâªÂ¢â |
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| 16:56.43 | Ackis | I'm amused |
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| 16:58.04 | Jamash | I hope the troll druid cat forms are placeholder >.> |
| 16:58.33 | Fisker | i hope not |
| 16:58.39 | A-KO | they're not |
| 16:58.44 | A-KO | they're the real deal forms |
| 16:59.05 | nevcairiel | its hilarious |
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| 16:59.50 | Jamash | should look more like the swift zulian tiger imo |
| 17:00.17 | Fisker | i think they should look more like the troll aspects |
| 17:00.32 | Jamash | that too |
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| 17:03.02 | nevcairiel | oh eu server reboots |
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| 17:03.13 | Cide | Where's Adys that nub? |
| 17:03.19 | malreth | they're getting rid of treeform? |
| 17:03.27 | Lopeppeppy | ... tree! |
| 17:03.29 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* |
| 17:04.22 | malreth | i wonder if moonkin will have tusks |
| 17:04.23 | Warloco | wasnt treeform becoming a cooldown? |
| 17:04.25 | Warloco | kind of like meta |
| 17:04.28 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: serves you right |
| 17:04.54 | malreth | Warloco: i've no clue anymore |
| 17:05.03 | nevcairiel | Warloco: it is |
| 17:05.21 | Warloco | with a silly 50% slow |
| 17:05.54 | nicoli_s | Cide:Adys' internet is out i believe |
| 17:06.29 | Gnarfoz | I thought he was moving sometime around now? |
| 17:07.57 | Fisker | i'm eating food nicoli_s |
| 17:08.04 | Fisker | nom nom nom |
| 17:08.22 | Cide | What a bitch |
| 17:08.59 | fiphi | Does anyone know why some names get "grayed out" and unavailable in the raid interface? Screenshot: http://img413.imageshack.us/i/raidfail.jpg/ |
| 17:09.13 | fiphi | The class colours get darker and grayer, and you can't get info about them by hovering. |
| 17:09.16 | Cide | typing without swype is fucking difficult |
| 17:09.19 | fiphi | I have no idea why that happens. |
| 17:09.45 | Xinhuan | out of range? |
| 17:10.01 | fiphi | No, I'm not near any of them atm. |
| 17:10.02 | Fisker | lol jobs |
| 17:10.04 | Fisker | "antennagate" |
| 17:10.18 | Fisker | lets compare ourselves to great government coverups, conspiracies, etc. |
| 17:10.51 | fiphi | No one has any idea? |
| 17:10.53 | fiphi | :/ |
| 17:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | Usually that means they are out of range, fiphi... |
| 17:11.27 | fiphi | Well, I was in Org while everyoen else were... everywhere else. These 4 particular ones I have no idea where they are. |
| 17:11.30 | Fisker | xD |
| 17:11.32 | Yssaril | EU server is back up |
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| 17:11.37 | Fisker | "other phones have the issue too QQ" |
| 17:11.41 | fiphi | Now we're beginning summoning at the raid and they're not changin back to normal. |
| 17:11.52 | Xinhuan | type /rl |
| 17:12.05 | fiphi | I'm right beside one of them now. |
| 17:12.11 | fiphi | rl doesn't work. |
| 17:12.13 | Ressy | grayed out means out of range |
| 17:12.15 | Warloco | try reload ui |
| 17:12.28 | fiphi | Ressy: Well, they're not. |
| 17:12.59 | fiphi | Warloco: thanks, did the trick. |
| 17:13.07 | Warloco | you can enable / disable fading out of range, I dont know- it would seem silly- but its not entirely inconcievable that disabling hat feature while certain frames are grayed out could bug the whole thing |
| 17:13.11 | Ressy | report the bug.. odd that'd happen. |
| 17:13.21 | fiphi | I haven't ever done anything with that. |
| 17:13.50 | fiphi | And it occurred not that long ago. |
| 17:13.50 | Xinhuan | perhaps yu just have an interfering addon |
| 17:13.55 | fiphi | Before that, never seen it. |
| 17:14.12 | Warloco | must be a GM is hacking you! |
| 17:14.14 | Warloco | dun dun dunnnnn! |
| 17:14.16 | fiphi | ZOMG |
| 17:14.48 | Fisker | so basically |
| 17:14.53 | Warloco | quick, check if any of your other chars is deleted! |
| 17:15.07 | Fisker | Jobs' conference was to diss all his competitors instead of addressing is own issue |
| 17:15.24 | Fisker | Have they even considered that you actually lose the signal not just some random amount of bars on the display? |
| 17:15.58 | Warloco | Fisker, I think they're kind of in a situation where "OMFG I DONT KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS" |
| 17:16.02 | Kraps | all these now f's are like whoa http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25171671009&sid=2000 |
| 17:16.12 | Fisker | They know how to fix it |
| 17:16.19 | Fisker | it just requires the recall of 3 million units |
| 17:16.24 | Kraps | s/now f's/new fp's/ |
| 17:17.06 | Warloco | so erm, are flight paths any faster yet? |
| 17:17.20 | kd3 | no |
| 17:17.21 | Warloco | cause right now im flying from rutheran village to ferales |
| 17:17.23 | Warloco | and well |
| 17:17.25 | Warloco | :@ |
| 17:18.01 | kd3 | hm... lost isles and hamuul both down |
| 17:18.28 | Warloco | meh |
| 17:18.40 | Warloco | are any of the realms particularly stable/unstable, or all the same |
| 17:19.01 | kd3 | they're all close to the same, stability-wise |
| 17:19.10 | kd3 | issues are mainly server-side at this point |
| 17:19.45 | Warloco | so it doesnt really matter what server I go with then? |
| 17:19.53 | Cide | Yo momma so fat she be entirely server side |
| 17:19.58 | kd3 | nope. they're all in the same room, so take your pick |
| 17:20.36 | Fisker | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/iphone-reception-pc-0894-rm-eng.jpg |
| 17:20.39 | Warloco | wouldnt being entirely server side mean that you're sort of slim? |
| 17:21.01 | malreth | my wife bought me extra chunky peanut butter with extra chunky peanuts |
| 17:21.10 | malreth | i'm pretty sure this is grounds for divorce |
| 17:21.26 | Warloco | lol |
| 17:22.15 | Warloco | You gonna pull a mel gibson on her? :o |
| 17:22.43 | Warloco | im sorry- couldnt help myself |
| 17:23.05 | malreth | she'd likely punch me in the gut |
| 17:23.17 | Jamash | extra chunky pb is awesome |
| 17:23.19 | malreth | and then laugh at my weakness |
| 17:23.24 | Jamash | creamy is for wimps and girly-men |
| 17:23.25 | Fisker | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/iphone-reception-pc-0911-rm-eng.jpg <-"Look our fanbase is brownnosing so much they're almost black, so we can do what we want" |
| 17:23.26 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 17:24.01 | Jamash | Fisker: re: 0.55% calling about reception: the rest would have called but they couldn't get signal |
| 17:24.13 | Fisker | haha |
| 17:24.26 | cog|work | buys Shirik__ a Herbert Schildt book |
| 17:24.31 | cog|work | TAKE THAT! |
| 17:26.22 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, "chunky" is not a nice term. "Curvaceous" is, if I could spell it properly. |
| 17:26.26 | Jamash | someone buy me Fred Brooks' new book |
| 17:26.41 | Fisker | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/iphone-reception-pc-0923-rm-eng.jpg <-i don't get this |
| 17:26.56 | Jamash | he misspelled <3 |
| 17:27.20 | Fisker | <1 = 3GS loses 1 call, and 4 loses <1 or <1 = Just random BS without any connection to a comparable number? |
| 17:27.36 | Jamash | so Jobs' response to the antenna problem is "NO IT ISN'T"? |
| 17:27.41 | Fisker | no |
| 17:27.48 | Fisker | his response is "All the other kids are doing it" |
| 17:28.06 | amro | is this supposed to be damage control? |
| 17:28.19 | Fisker | Which of course could only be FUD, i've yet to discover any highend smartphone have any antenna issues, infact i've not had a single phone in my life with reception issues |
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| 17:28.28 | Jamash | reality distortion field go! |
| 17:28.40 | Fisker | And he still ignores the fact that holding it in that way completely blocks the antenna, he is only concerned about the number of bars |
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| 17:28.54 | Fisker | Whos to say that all those phones he dissed, weren't able to still make calls? |
| 17:29.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | here it comes |
| 17:29.39 | Fisker | xD |
| 17:29.49 | Fisker | "Now when we look at this data, it's hard to escape the conclusion that there is a problem, but that problem is affecting a very small number of users. I get emails saying the phone works perfectly, and they can't understand what this is all about. So we think it's affecting a small batch, but it has to do with inherent problems in smartphones. But we want all of our users to be happy." |
| 17:29.54 | Fisker | lol'd face |
| 17:30.08 | Jamash | FREE CASES FOR EVERYONE! |
| 17:30.18 | Jamash | I don't have an iphone, can I get a free case? |
| 17:30.24 | Jamash | dang |
| 17:30.53 | Fisker | still a lame fix |
| 17:31.27 | amro | apple fails, next |
| 17:31.33 | cog|work | ^ |
| 17:31.50 | cog|work | or ... apple fails, NeXT |
| 17:32.26 | cog|work | y rnt u laffing???!! |
| 17:32.47 | cog|work | Fisker |
| 17:32.48 | Jamash | lolololol NeXT |
| 17:32.52 | Jamash | there, happy? |
| 17:32.55 | Fisker | i am laffing |
| 17:32.58 | cog|work | yes. -_- |
| 17:33.08 | cog|work | grumbles at EA |
| 17:33.30 | Fisker | don't EA me bro |
| 17:33.43 | Jamash | there's a goblin quest in kezan where you zap trolls |
| 17:33.48 | Jamash | they say "don't shock me bro" |
| 17:33.56 | Jamash | s/bro/mon/ |
| 17:34.49 | cbreak | anyone else got problems with starting SC2 after the patch? |
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| 17:36.49 | Jamash | dang it blizzard, stop having two betas at once |
| 17:37.03 | cbreak | true, I could just play cata |
| 17:37.22 | cbreak | ... an other patch :) |
| 17:38.25 | Cloudwolf | jamash rofl |
| 17:38.36 | Jamash | maybe I can play sc2 and cata at the same time |
| 17:39.05 | cbreak | you can actually log in to sc2? |
| 17:39.13 | cbreak | somehow I don't even get the login screen |
| 17:39.40 | Jamash | I appear to have broken the tradeskill UI by learning six tradeskills at once |
| 17:40.28 | Cloudwolf | *taps finger impatiently* blizzard, hurry up and send the keys already! :P |
| 17:40.29 | Fisker | you don't have to |
| 17:40.31 | Ackis | http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2DQ4Zk/newsfeed.time.com/2010/07/16/idosing/ is idosing real? like wtf |
| 17:40.33 | Cloudwolf | off to play sc2 beta |
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| 17:40.41 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:40.47 | Fisker | hold differently or get a new case |
| 17:41.13 | Ackis | I don't have, nor ever will have an iphone |
| 17:41.39 | Fisker | i didn't say you have |
| 17:41.52 | Fisker | But Steve Jobs says it happens to all phones in the wr0ld |
| 17:42.08 | Fisker | Except he never checked if it was still getting a signal despite losing bars |
| 17:42.15 | Cloudwolf | OMG Steve jobs just generalized all apple employes must be shot... oh wait... |
| 17:42.23 | nicoli_s | Ackis: i dont think it is |
| 17:42.23 | Fisker | Also they seem very obsure and cherrypicked them there smartphones |
| 17:42.28 | nicoli_s | i think its 100% bullshit |
| 17:42.33 | nicoli_s | i tried it before, it didnt do anything |
| 17:42.45 | Ackis | nicoli_s: same, but I don't want to try it here at work just in case haha |
| 17:43.00 | Dagmar | Ackis: iDosing is as close as you can get to a spoof without the news actually catching on |
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| 17:43.35 | Cloudwolf | it seems some oen would need to know a lot about sound and brain function to get the idosing to work |
| 17:43.38 | Morkesh | Ackis: hehe, tried some of them |
| 17:44.00 | Dagmar | Ackis: binaural beats are real, but all those YouTube videos boil down to two things... 1) kids who are extremely suggestible and actually think they're high and 2) kids who know it's no different than ambient music but are getting a kick out of *pretending* they're high and fooling viewers |
| 17:44.14 | Dagmar | They won't make you any higher than scented candles at the mall |
| 17:44.23 | Morkesh | Ackis: but way before it had a fancy I name :P and meh, couldn't get any of the "drug" ones to work, found the relaxing meditation ones to be mildy relaxing but nothing compared to the relaxing effect of say pan flutes |
| 17:44.41 | Dagmar | morkesh: Or say... actual *weed* |
| 17:44.50 | nicoli_s | hehe |
| 17:44.59 | Ackis | Dagmar: binaural beats == idosing? |
| 17:45.05 | Morkesh | haha true Dagmar :P weed was never really me though, oxycotin & kratom on the other hand |
| 17:45.19 | Dagmar | I think it's hilarious that a school has banned iPods to keep kids from getting messed up in school from something that's no better htan placebo |
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| 17:45.24 | Dagmar | Ackis: Yep |
| 17:45.27 | Ackis | I never got the deal with oxycotin |
| 17:45.31 | Ackis | was prescribed it |
| 17:45.35 | Ackis | it took away the pain |
| 17:45.43 | Ackis | and made me feel like I was floating in bed |
| 17:45.47 | Dagmar | Hillbilly heroin |
| 17:45.51 | Ackis | but I don't recall a "high" from it |
| 17:46.25 | Ressy | oxy's something like 10x stronger than morphine when taken in pill form.... |
| 17:46.49 | Morkesh | Ackis: oxycontin = depote medication |
| 17:47.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | oxy is time release |
| 17:47.16 | Ackis | I took it for my back /shrug |
| 17:47.20 | Cloudwolf | I had oxy for my surgery |
| 17:47.24 | Cloudwolf | let me just say it wasn't a high |
| 17:47.27 | Cloudwolf | it made me feel like shit |
| 17:47.33 | Cloudwolf | no energy dead on a sofa for 4 days |
| 17:47.37 | Morkesh | oxynorm isen't, so you gotta crush them for the full release at once and the actual opiate high, but i'm not sure this is the right forum to be discussing drugs? ;) |
| 17:47.50 | Ressy | Dad's on it for life because of a botched spinal surgery. |
| 17:47.58 | Cloudwolf | oooo that sucks |
| 17:48.00 | Morkesh | sorry to hear :/ |
| 17:48.09 | Cloudwolf | hmm sucks is an understatement... |
| 17:49.57 | nicoli_s | Ackis:you dont get the high unless you smoke it off tinfoil :P |
| 17:50.11 | Dagmar | pillheads are weird people |
| 17:50.12 | Jamash | idosing = jenkem 2.0 |
| 17:50.23 | Dagmar | Jamash: Jenkem? |
| 17:50.26 | Morkesh | butthash :P |
| 17:50.30 | Dagmar | euw |
| 17:50.30 | Morkesh | nasty shit |
| 17:50.38 | Ackis | I love you nicoli_s |
| 17:50.40 | Ackis | we need to aprty |
| 17:50.41 | Ackis | *party |
| 17:50.43 | Jamash | it's a hoax drug |
| 17:50.50 | Morkesh | nicoli_s: snorting works equally well :P |
| 17:51.09 | nicoli_s | indeed ackis |
| 17:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | My, nice that we're having weather... |
| 17:51.35 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: You have something other than "OMGHOT"? |
| 17:51.35 | nicoli_s | youll have to let me stay at yer house and turn it into an opium den when i come up to candaville |
| 17:51.38 | Morkesh | Jamash: oh i thought you refered to the african trend of putting your own feces in a bottle, then a baloon on top, then leave it in the sun for a few days until the baloon is filled with delicious gas you inhale |
| 17:51.53 | Dagmar | looks paler than usual |
| 17:52.16 | Morkesh | http://quazen.com/recreation/drugs/butt-hash-the-waste-high/ i dare you |
| 17:52.17 | Jamash | Morkesh: Yes |
| 17:52.19 | Jamash | it's a hoax |
| 17:52.28 | Dagmar | Noooot about to pull up that URL |
| 17:52.36 | nicoli_s | lol butt hash |
| 17:52.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. |
| 17:52.45 | nicoli_s | ill take the real thing thank you very much |
| 17:52.56 | Morkesh | Jamash: hmm, i'd think the feeling of being high due to lack of oxygen would be somewhat real |
| 17:53.21 | Jamash | http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/jenkem.asp |
| 17:56.40 | Dagmar | Almost makes you want to write your state senators and say "Please, please legalize marijuana--if for no other reason than to stop people from trying to sniff their own butt fumes." |
| 17:57.12 | fiphi | Haha. |
| 17:57.19 | Jamash | "Try to ignore the firm, feathery behinds of the harpies... the creatures are really quite deadly!" |
| 17:57.32 | Morkesh | to switch to a completely different topic, when wanting to scan the AH with QueryAuctionItems() i assume in order to find all the results for a given item you wanna check if the next button is available and if yes, click it? |
| 17:57.32 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 17:57.56 | Jamash | actual quote from a goblin in durotar |
| 17:58.06 | kd3 | jamash; they added more of the "You wake up in Razor Hill" storyline? ahahah |
| 17:58.20 | Cloudwolf | http://notalwaysright.com/must-be-a-missed-steak/6017 |
| 17:58.22 | Cloudwolf | >.< |
| 17:58.22 | Jamash | I'm a troll druid atm actually |
| 17:58.29 | fiphi | O_o |
| 17:58.56 | Ackis | Hmmm to see Sorcerers Apprentice or not to see |
| 17:59.04 | Morkesh | haha Cloudwolf :D |
| 17:59.30 | fiphi | Ackis: See, and give a review. :p |
| 17:59.36 | Jamash | that quote is from the goblin who's always been between org and razor hill who gives the "kill harpies, retrieve bags" quests |
| 18:00.26 | Cloudwolf | i know about 5 horde quests >.> and forgot the rest that i attempted |
| 18:00.31 | Cloudwolf | and never got a hordie to level 20 |
| 18:00.34 | Cloudwolf | heh... |
| 18:06.41 | Cloudwolf | notalwaysright.com has some depressing people stories. Especialy the ones about technology. |
| 18:07.32 | cbreak | hmm... did they removei masteries? |
| 18:08.21 | Jamash | no |
| 18:08.34 | Ackis | "Just had a visit from the Inspector of the local RCMP detachment in the West Shore. He gave us a thank you card for letting the police use our bathroom at the recent hostage taking on Tuesday. Awesome!!" |
| 18:08.53 | Jamash | O_O |
| 18:08.53 | Cloudwolf | theres no way in hell theyc an remove masteries with 31 point talent trees |
| 18:08.57 | Ackis | that status was on my uncles facebook hehe |
| 18:09.40 | NeoTron | yes, they removed masteries as something tied to talent trees |
| 18:10.16 | nicoli_s | wait they are removing masteries? |
| 18:10.16 | NeoTron | there's still the mastery stat and the gain is based on the talent tree that's your major tree |
| 18:10.17 | NeoTron | nicoli_s: just the part where you gain points in the stat solely bu putting points in a tree |
| 18:10.46 | Cloudwolf | So are the masteries still going to be tree specific? |
| 18:10.47 | NeoTron | I.e It's there, amount depends on the Mastery stat, and what it means depends on which tree you picked. |
| 18:10.54 | cbreak | So masteries are gone until I have gear with the stat? |
| 18:10.55 | NeoTron | right |
| 18:11.04 | Cloudwolf | or do all classes get all of the same mastire bonuses |
| 18:11.14 | NeoTron | no, I don't think they changed that part |
| 18:11.17 | Cloudwolf | nvm |
| 18:11.29 | Cloudwolf | I didn't read what you said cus i was focused on my typing sorry lol |
| 18:11.30 | NeoTron | to be fair, that is the current status |
| 18:11.36 | NeoTron | who knows what will happen next week ;-) |
| 18:11.55 | Cloudwolf | I wonder how that will work for northrend content |
| 18:12.04 | Cloudwolf | unless they go back and make sure those items also have masteries |
| 18:12.10 | Dagmar | Not likely |
| 18:12.58 | Yssaril | you simply may not see mastery stats till 80+ |
| 18:13.19 | Cloudwolf | I'm wonder how hard this will effect people who only have wotlk |
| 18:13.41 | Cloudwolf | i see people who are stuck at 70 still from only having burning crusade. |
| 18:13.45 | Morkesh | i'm wondering why anyone would stick with wotlk |
| 18:14.09 | Cloudwolf | Morkesh there are people who only have BC still |
| 18:14.42 | Morkesh | yes but isen't that more of a nostalgia thing? |
| 18:14.46 | Yssaril | Cloudwolf: they get new 1-60 content thats about it though |
| 18:14.52 | Morkesh | in europe atleast it would seem like that |
| 18:14.53 | cbreak | I have many people in my guild who sticked with classic |
| 18:15.01 | Cloudwolf | Yssaril i know that wotlk content won't change but |
| 18:15.08 | cbreak | they didn't log in in four or five years though |
| 18:15.11 | Morkesh | why cbreak? :/ |
| 18:15.15 | Cloudwolf | those people who are still trying to raid that if there are no masteries to gain the bonus dmg stats |
| 18:15.24 | Cloudwolf | and you only have 31 talent poitns most of which arn't direct dmg increases |
| 18:15.33 | Cloudwolf | that it going to be harder to raid 80 content (if you only have wotlk) |
| 18:16.13 | cbreak | seems I get 20% damage increase in arcane, fire or frost, depending on which tree I chose |
| 18:16.51 | cbreak | so that might compensate a bit |
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| 18:17.11 | Cloudwolf | with no masteries put in? |
| 18:17.19 | Cloudwolf | *mastery stats |
| 18:17.37 | cbreak | I am level 80 still |
| 18:17.39 | cadabra | hey all, does anyone know how to find the r, g, b for a specific color? for use in:FontString:SetTextColor(textR, textG, textB, textAlpha) - |
| 18:17.48 | cbreak | only tier 10 gear and so on from wotlk |
| 18:17.58 | cbreak | cadabra: what do you mean? |
| 18:18.04 | Yssaril | Cloudwolf: you get a base abount of mastery when you chose a tree which you can improve with mastery stat |
| 18:18.07 | cbreak | the rgb values are a color |
| 18:18.09 | cadabra | i mean, i wnt my font string to be yello |
| 18:18.13 | cadabra | so make that happen |
| 18:18.15 | Cloudwolf | Ok that explains it yssaril |
| 18:18.28 | cbreak | just use the rgb values for the yellow you want |
| 18:18.29 | Cloudwolf | lol cadabra that doesn't sound like a request |
| 18:18.35 | cadabra | haha |
| 18:18.36 | cadabra | my bad |
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| 18:19.02 | cadabra | so thats what im asking, where do i locate the rgb values for a color |
| 18:19.18 | Cloudwolf | !api getcolor |
| 18:19.18 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'getcolor': ColorSelect:GetColorValueTexture, ColorSelect:GetColorWheelTexture, ColorSelect:GetColorRGB, ColorSelect:GetColorWheelThumbTexture, ColorSelect:GetColorHSV, ColorSelect:GetColorValueThumbTexture |
| 18:19.19 | Yssaril | MS Paint :P |
| 18:19.19 | cbreak | Mac OS X has a color mixer program |
| 18:19.23 | cadabra | all i can find are the fff00099 type strings |
| 18:19.26 | Morkesh | http://notalwaysright.com/not-so-smart-card/6034 Cloudwolf :P |
| 18:19.26 | cbreak | you can do it in your head though |
| 18:19.34 | cbreak | those are colors too |
| 18:19.36 | Cloudwolf | yeah morkesh i read that one lol |
| 18:19.40 | cbreak | each tupple is one color |
| 18:19.43 | nevcairiel | thats ARGB, actually |
| 18:19.48 | Cloudwolf | yes but where are the flimk cameras we dont i see thsi one takes film... no sir it doesnt film? |
| 18:19.48 | nevcairiel | easy enough to use |
| 18:19.51 | cadabra | can i use those in the FontString:SetTextColor(textR, textG, textB, textAlpha) - ? |
| 18:20.02 | cbreak | sure |
| 18:20.10 | cbreak | just convert from hexadecimal to decimal |
| 18:20.18 | cadabra | i just dont know how.. pardon my incompetence. |
| 18:20.18 | Morkesh | cadabra: http://www.colorpicker.com/ |
| 18:20.23 | cadabra | thanks mork |
| 18:20.40 | Cloudwolf | lua> print(tonumber(ff,16)) |
| 18:20.40 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'tonumber' (string expected, got nil) |
| 18:20.41 | Morkesh | cadabra: to convert the 255 rgb values to the 0-1 system wow use, just divide it with 255 |
| 18:20.43 | Cloudwolf | meh |
| 18:20.51 | Cloudwolf | lua> print(tonumber("ff",16)) |
| 18:20.51 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: 255 |
| 18:21.01 | Jamash | I wish they'd make all the low level fish cooking recipes trainer recipes |
| 18:21.30 | cbreak | normalized floating point colors are used in many places |
| 18:22.02 | Cloudwolf | cadabra split the string every 2 places. take each split and run tonumber("2letter/numberstring",16) to convert it to its 255 equivlent |
| 18:22.09 | Cloudwolf | take that number divide it by 255 which is the max |
| 18:22.14 | Cloudwolf | you have it now in the decimal |
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| 18:22.46 | cbreak | decimal form is 0 to 255 per component |
| 18:23.05 | cbreak | well, details :) |
| 18:23.19 | Cloudwolf | err percentage form :D |
| 18:23.30 | Dashkal | Does anybody know if Worgen can use noggenfogger? |
| 18:23.43 | cbreak | proper colors are tricky |
| 18:23.44 | cadabra | mork - worked perfectly. tyvm. |
| 18:23.45 | Cloudwolf | Lol that would be an intersting experience |
| 18:23.49 | cbreak | you're lucky, you can use RGBA colors |
| 18:24.00 | cbreak | without worrying about color spaces, gammut and such :) |
| 18:24.23 | cbreak | Worgen can become human while out of combat |
| 18:24.29 | Cloudwolf | i know |
| 18:24.34 | Cloudwolf | which i don't plan on doing lol |
| 18:24.35 | cadabra | im just lucky mork is alive. btwn him and yss and torhal i owe some special thanks. |
| 18:25.07 | Dashkal | What I'm more wondering is if the werewolf is the costume or the human. If the human is, noggenfogger should work fine. But I'm level 13 atm. Maybe I'll roll a DK and check. |
| 18:25.18 | Morkesh | haha, for finding you a color picker? hardly something you need to thank me for |
| 18:25.44 | Cloudwolf | dashkal i think human is costume because you can't fight in human form |
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| 18:26.11 | Yssaril | does the noggenfoger questline still exis? |
| 18:26.25 | Cloudwolf | i can't imagine them removing it |
| 18:26.28 | cbreak | gadgezan still exists |
| 18:26.31 | Cloudwolf | its an iconic vanity item lol |
| 18:26.31 | Dashkal | I'm hoping so, but that's not really evidence. You can fight in noggenfogger skele or deviate flip out |
| 18:26.35 | cbreak | it has it's own port even :) |
| 18:27.02 | Dashkal | erm, actually. I'll smuggle some deviate fish over to beta. I still need to transfer my druid |
| 18:27.33 | cadabra | mork - when most questions of mine, however noob, are greeted with bobbling headed, closed eyes responses.. you're a breath of fresh air. |
| 18:27.35 | Cloudwolf | But Dashkal why would the costume form be worgen if your primarily in worgen form? |
| 18:27.46 | Dashkal | Oversight? |
| 18:27.56 | cadabra | oversight is a dope addon |
| 18:28.01 | cadabra | egoh rocks |
| 18:28.03 | Dashkal | If it doesn't work I intend to report as a bug |
| 18:28.07 | Cloudwolf | k |
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| 18:28.52 | Dashkal | I love my transformation items. I still keep my furbolg rod :P |
| 18:28.59 | Cloudwolf | are the worgen druid forms out yet i don't remember looking em up |
| 18:29.08 | Dashkal | Sadly, that'll almost certainly be gone for cata (I haven't checked ashenvale yet) |
| 18:29.09 | alestane | Yes, Cloudwolf. |
| 18:29.10 | Cloudwolf | I gota get that on my rogue! |
| 18:29.11 | cbreak | worgen DRUID? |
| 18:29.18 | cbreak | who the hell, what the hell |
| 18:29.26 | Dashkal | Just joining us? Ooooolld news |
| 18:29.30 | alestane | Troll and worgen forms are in, at least worgen cat form. |
| 18:29.39 | alestane | And the others are supposed to be. |
| 18:29.49 | cbreak | troll druids!? |
| 18:29.58 | cbreak | what's next, dwarfen druids? |
| 18:30.04 | Dashkal | No, dwarven shaman |
| 18:30.06 | Cloudwolf | no but gnome preists |
| 18:30.10 | cbreak | night elf mages? |
| 18:30.14 | Dashkal | Yep |
| 18:30.20 | cbreak | dwarven shaman... oh my... |
| 18:30.21 | Dashkal | High elves returning to the fold |
| 18:30.29 | Dashkal | The dwarven shaman are wildhammer |
| 18:31.17 | cbreak | who did they hire for writing the new lore, the guy who writes phone books? |
| 18:31.39 | Dashkal | The worgen druid makes sense if you do their starting area |
| 18:31.39 | Jamash | new race/class combos are awesome imo |
| 18:31.43 | Kraps | pix plz! |
| 18:31.48 | Jamash | scythe of elune! |
| 18:31.51 | cbreak | I did their starting area |
| 18:31.55 | Cloudwolf | Human hunters makes so much sense IMO |
| 18:31.59 | cbreak | but the quests stopped at level 12 or so |
| 18:32.04 | Cloudwolf | more so than dwarven hunters |
| 18:32.15 | Dashkal | Humans not being hunters was odd. |
| 18:32.19 | cbreak | Human hunters? They could almost exist in real life. |
| 18:32.23 | alestane | No, but I think part of their basis was that having a class restricted to one race within a given faction may be lore-rich but it is gameplay-poor. |
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| 18:32.52 | Dashkal | The worgen have a lore reason for being druids. Trolls have a pretty hefty connection with nature themselves (ZG anybody?) |
| 18:33.12 | cbreak | ah well. could be worse. |
| 18:33.17 | cbreak | gobblin druids. |
| 18:33.27 | Dagmar | Dashkal: worgen and lore lol |
| 18:33.41 | Cloudwolf | i could picture a goblin becoming a druid because they were a hiretd mercinary and somthing went horribly wrong lol |
| 18:33.44 | Dashkal | This just in! Lore can still be written after a game is released! |
| 18:34.00 | Dashkal | Goblin shaman, now that's bizarre |
| 18:34.08 | malreth | i never understood a lot of the DK race choices |
| 18:34.21 | Cloudwolf | you mean all of them? |
| 18:34.26 | Dashkal | Anybody can die and be rezzed by arthas? |
| 18:34.27 | Dagmar | I'm not talking about the new lore. I'm talking about hte plausibility that anyone in the Alliance would take their asses back |
| 18:34.28 | Kraps | malreth: there is no choice |
| 18:34.32 | Cloudwolf | the only one i can't see as a dk is a drainei |
| 18:34.42 | malreth | Cloudwolf: exactly |
| 18:34.53 | alestane | Although I do think they went a little overboard. Dwarves and trolls can both be every class but one. |
| 18:34.56 | Cloudwolf | But only because they are supposedly lorewise old fallen heroes lol |
| 18:34.58 | Dagmar | "Everyone was dying and you guys locked your doors and said 'suck it up noobs'." |
| 18:35.12 | alestane | Given the draenei death cult in Auchindoun, I can see draenei death knights. |
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| 18:35.25 | Dashkal | Extenuating circumstances. THe world kinda blew the hell up |
| 18:35.29 | Dashkal | Need any help they can get |
| 18:35.37 | Gnarfoz | lore discussions, oh my |
| 18:35.38 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I7TKW_QQbA <-- don't watch if you are shallow and don't care for profound things |
| 18:35.40 | malreth | alestane: but then they'd have to be raised by Arthas |
| 18:35.40 | Dagmar | alestane: Last I checked, Death Knight wasn't a career choice you made for yourself |
| 18:35.44 | cog|work | (also ignore the title) |
| 18:36.16 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Far as I care, they decided they were too good for Alliance and they're hairy as f**k. That makes them Horde |
| 18:36.24 | malreth | dunno... i'm just sayin that DK Draenei just don't make much sense |
| 18:36.42 | Dagmar | malreth: THey didn't volunteer |
| 18:36.44 | alestane | Because they weren't part of the battle against the scourge? |
| 18:37.04 | malreth | because they were on a different planet |
| 18:37.11 | Dashkal | Arthas was alive and well when the DKs landed. Some of them wantered into undead controlled territory and got killed. |
| 18:37.18 | Dashkal | erm, drenai |
| 18:37.19 | cbreak | they had not crashed |
| 18:37.22 | Dashkal | draenai landed |
| 18:37.33 | Gnarfoz | even crashing is a form of landing |
| 18:37.42 | Dashkal | For example, draenai dying in WPL/EPL before heading back to outland |
| 18:37.43 | Dagmar | Burning Crusade was already out when Wrath was released. :) |
| 18:37.44 | alestane | And they arrived at the beginning of TBC...there's a couple years there for some of them to fall in places like EPL. |
| 18:38.16 | Gnarfoz | alestane: if only time progression was visible in WOW |
| 18:38.19 | Dashkal | Their arrival and the entrance to outland. Does anythign actually tie them to the same point in the timeline? |
| 18:38.38 | Dashkal | I reconcile that by placing their landing awhile before the portal opened |
| 18:38.46 | nevcairiel | they could've been flying around in space for quite a while, for all we know |
| 18:38.50 | malreth | i'm under the presumption that the DK starting quest timeline takes place before the Exodar crash/land |
| 18:38.53 | cbreak | You can whisper to other people, so they must be in the same timeline |
| 18:39.00 | Gnarfoz | malreth: which is stupid |
| 18:39.14 | Dashkal | malreth: That assumption does make draenai a fubar, so is invalid. Rearrange them |
| 18:39.24 | Gnarfoz | because there's nothing suggesting that, and it's the same one for draenei |
| 18:39.43 | Dashkal | Adventuring draenai honing his skills before outland dies in eatern plaguelands. |
| 18:39.45 | Gnarfoz | and it's "Draenei", Dashkal :p |
| 18:39.50 | Dashkal | I cannot spell :P |
| 18:39.57 | cbreak | part of the death knight time line must happen before / during classic/bc |
| 18:40.24 | Cloudwolf | draenei is the hardest freaking race to spell |
| 18:41.01 | Dashkal | Now, if you really want a FUBAR timeline: Worgen DKs |
| 18:41.03 | Cloudwolf | dwarf gnome human night elf worgen troll tauren orc blood elf undead |
| 18:41.11 | Cloudwolf | draenei... freaking odd spelling |
| 18:41.16 | Dashkal | But that was explicitly for gameplay, not lore reasons |
| 18:41.59 | Gnarfoz | they're not barring Worgens from being DKs? |
| 18:42.22 | Dagmar | All the cool kids are doing it |
| 18:42.23 | Cloudwolf | I thought they were |
| 18:42.25 | cbreak | stupid. |
| 18:42.40 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure, it'd make sense to do so |
| 18:42.49 | Cloudwolf | well actualy |
| 18:43.00 | Cloudwolf | remember the worgen in.... uhm |
| 18:43.02 | Cloudwolf | grizzly hills |
| 18:43.15 | Cloudwolf | sure bad guys npcs blah blah but they were there |
| 18:43.19 | cbreak | Those worgen are mindless |
| 18:43.39 | Dashkal | At least on beta, I can roll a worgen DK. |
| 18:43.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think they were, they appeared humanoid, had villages, etc. |
| 18:43.52 | cbreak | it took some drug addict and a girl with a scite to bring reason back to normal worgen players |
| 18:44.14 | Dashkal | Those worgen definitely wern't mindless. You even do quests for them. |
| 18:44.21 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, but they tried to kill me. that's the definition of mindless |
| 18:44.39 | Cloudwolf | the worgen taht are mindless are arugals |
| 18:44.51 | Dagmar | a scite? |
| 18:44.56 | cbreak | scyte? |
| 18:45.02 | malreth | Gilneans are to Worgen as Forsaken are to Undead |
| 18:45.07 | Dashkal | The scythe of elune |
| 18:45.09 | Dagmar | Do you mean, perhaps, 'scythe'? |
| 18:45.33 | cbreak | by the way |
| 18:45.39 | Dagmar | malreth: You might need to flip a pair there |
| 18:45.44 | cbreak | why did horde not kick those trecherous forsaken out of their circle? |
| 18:45.53 | cbreak | they killed bolvar and that orc guy |
| 18:46.04 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: no he doesn't |
| 18:46.21 | Dashkal | Putress and the dreadlord I won't even try to spell did that. Silvanas sucked up |
| 18:46.28 | NightHawkTheSane | varimathras |
| 18:46.30 | Gnarfoz | Varimathras |
| 18:46.53 | cog|work | did you hear me Shirik__?? Herb Schildt books! |
| 18:46.58 | NightHawkTheSane | and we did, varimathras is no longer there. |
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| 18:48.12 | Cloudwolf | All i know is that cinimatic was depressing |
| 18:48.13 | Cloudwolf | not emotionaly |
| 18:48.20 | amro | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000796XXM?ie=UTF8&tag=bkgas-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000796XXM |
| 18:48.21 | Cloudwolf | just the fact that they didn't try too hard |
| 18:48.44 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: Try and figure out why later when "Flaming Head Guy" shows up, people actually believe he's Bolvar |
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| 18:49.03 | Dagmar | "Oh yah we'll just hand this helm of untold and unholy corrupting power right over to ya" |
| 18:49.20 | cbreak | bolvar? |
| 18:49.24 | Gnarfoz | Alextrasza told them that it's him, probably |
| 18:49.29 | cbreak | I thought he'd be the guy from fantastic four |
| 18:49.36 | Gnarfoz | because she knew ;p |
| 18:49.42 | Cloudwolf | I'm just so used to seeing blizzards cinimatics being just jaw droppingly good and then the wrathgates just like LUL we just took the npcs and moved em around :D |
| 18:49.49 | Gnarfoz | Cloudwolf: what |
| 18:50.02 | Dagmar | I thought it was some amatuer machinima at first |
| 18:50.14 | Gnarfoz | you must be used to quite skilled amateurs |
| 18:50.19 | Dagmar | It wasn't *bad* mind you |
| 18:50.30 | Cloudwolf | But compared to blizzards intro sequences? |
| 18:50.33 | Gnarfoz | who have access to Blizzard's tools, no less |
| 18:50.33 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: You've never seen the illegal danish stuff |
| 18:50.34 | Cloudwolf | diablo's cinimatics? |
| 18:50.39 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: I have |
| 18:50.44 | Gnarfoz | Cloudwolf: how can you compare those? |
| 18:50.58 | Cloudwolf | Nvm... |
| 18:51.09 | Dagmar | WEll, tough luck for you that the illegal danish crew are pretty skilled |
| 18:51.18 | cbreak | there's a quite impressive machinima with a rogue trying to invade stormwind and killing onyxia |
| 18:51.20 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: does not compute |
| 18:51.26 | cbreak | what was it's name again... hmm... |
| 18:51.39 | Dagmar | Neither does "you must be used to quite skilled amateurs" |
| 18:51.40 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: they make good machinima in the sense that it's FUNNY |
| 18:52.01 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWgW3ogaV84 |
| 18:52.09 | Gnarfoz | they do not and cannot have the same possibilities at their disposal that Blizzard has (nevermind if they used all they could) |
| 18:52.22 | cbreak | yes |
| 18:52.28 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: "The Craft of War: Blind" |
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| 18:52.38 | cbreak | that's exactly the one I meant |
| 18:52.44 | Dagmar | THen explain wrathgrate not really being much different from the Myndflame stuff |
| 18:52.50 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: yes, I knew exactly. it's extremely good ;) |
| 18:53.06 | Gnarfoz | explanation: they didn't spend as much time on it as they could have. |
| 18:53.09 | cbreak | it's an other example that sound can do so much |
| 18:53.21 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: So then we can do without the snark |
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| 18:53.28 | cbreak | and I have no idea how they got the animations to be that smooth without access to the engine itself |
| 18:53.29 | Gnarfoz | the what |
| 18:53.33 | Dagmar | The snark. |
| 18:53.36 | Gnarfoz | the what? |
| 18:53.39 | Gnarfoz | ~x en de snark |
| 18:53.47 | Gnarfoz | great |
| 18:53.50 | cbreak | shark? |
| 18:53.53 | Dagmar | Get out of the house more. |
| 18:53.56 | Gnarfoz | I don't care, use another word or something |
| 18:53.56 | cbreak | with lasers? |
| 18:54.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: sarcastic critisism |
| 18:54.09 | Gnarfoz | I'll get out of "the house" as often as I please |
| 18:54.29 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: if I was supposed to be using "snark", then I wasn't aware of it, since I wasn't being sarcastic |
| 18:54.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: i'm just offering an explanation of the term. ;) |
| 18:54.53 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: thanks =) |
| 18:54.58 | Gnarfoz | no non-standard skeletal animations, no special facial animation, higher polycount - all stuff they could have used |
| 18:55.11 | Gnarfoz | but they didn't, simply because they were apparently lazy |
| 18:55.25 | Fisker | too bad Gnarfoz |
| 18:55.25 | Gnarfoz | maybe they didn't want the cutscene to look too differently from the ingame graphics |
| 18:55.41 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: get me a case |
| 18:55.51 | Fisker | macfags make a mistake btw |
| 18:55.53 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: and a beta key, while you're at it |
| 18:55.54 | Fisker | made* |
| 18:56.00 | Cloudwolf | that machinima you linked |
| 18:56.02 | Cloudwolf | MilkShape 3D, 3DS Max |
| 18:56.02 | Fisker | "Apple to give away free cases to iPhone 4 users" |
| 18:56.06 | Cloudwolf | they used 3d animation and modeling programs |
| 18:56.17 | batrick | "btw we're not sorry" |
| 18:56.21 | Cloudwolf | thus im sure a decent amount of complex animation was done in 3ds max |
| 18:56.22 | Fisker | s/free/Whatever the price of an iPhone 4 is/ |
| 18:56.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Cloudwolf: oh, absolutely |
| 18:56.49 | Gnarfoz | Cloudwolf: sure, IIRC that parcticular one does plenty of stuff not possible in WoW itself |
| 18:57.01 | Fisker | it was a decent attempt though |
| 18:57.03 | NightHawkTheSane | well, not possible by players using the default game engine |
| 18:57.15 | Gnarfoz | there's another game engine? ;) |
| 18:57.20 | Fisker | Badmouth the competition, then say not enough users complained and top it off with a free case |
| 18:57.47 | Gnarfoz | still wish there was a "null renderer" engine ;p |
| 18:57.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm sure if blizzards animators/developers wanted to and had the time they could do it, probably within the game engine too, but it'd be a huge amount of effort |
| 18:58.52 | Gnarfoz | well, look at what they had at their disposal for the SP episode |
| 18:58.57 | Gnarfoz | that stuff is certainly still around |
| 18:59.33 | Gnarfoz | but again, they could even have made a "real" pre-rendered cutscene if they really wanted to |
| 18:59.58 | Gnarfoz | shame, really, their guys who do those are really good at it :P |
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| 19:00.47 | Fisker | i was a little girl Gnarfoz |
| 19:01.05 | A-KO | Dear Microsoft, fix your broken shit, thank you, Mike |
| 19:01.06 | A-KO | :( |
| 19:01.07 | Gnarfoz | and then you grew up and became a bitch? |
| 19:01.34 | Fisker | A-KO Mike Rowe? |
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| 19:05.48 | Cloudwolf | http://notalwaysright.com/americant/5896 |
| 19:05.51 | Cloudwolf | now im sad to be an american again |
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| 19:08.53 | Zyn | again? |
| 19:08.56 | malreth | Cloudwolf: i'm sure that... some other people in other countries might have problems reading a map... maybe... kinda |
| 19:09.16 | Cloudwolf | Zyn lets just say i'm not often proud to be an american |
| 19:09.20 | Zyn | :p |
| 19:09.29 | Gnarfoz | malreth: yeah, there's americans all over the world! |
| 19:09.34 | Fisker | hey Zyn |
| 19:09.54 | eidolarr | Fisker: "it was all physics' fault" |
| 19:09.59 | Zyn | wat |
| 19:11.14 | Cloudwolf | I think i might like spain >.> ori might hate it lol... |
| 19:11.36 | nicoli_s | if yer a warlock, you have to wait till level 10 to control yer pet right? |
| 19:12.12 | Cloudwolf | Not sure |
| 19:12.24 | nicoli_s | cuz if so, my char is bugged :( |
| 19:12.25 | Cloudwolf | some one said they had a pet bar as a hunter at levle 1 then no bar from level 2 till they hit 10 |
| 19:12.35 | Gnarfoz | Cloudwolf: do not be afraid of the ori, they are false gods! |
| 19:12.36 | Cloudwolf | so its potentialy there but blizzard hasn't distinguisehd between hunter and warlock pets |
| 19:12.50 | Cloudwolf | ori? O.o |
| 19:12.54 | Zyn | it's a bug, I think you are supposed to control them from lvl 1 |
| 19:12.56 | Gnarfoz | <Cloudwolf> I think i might like spain >.> ori might hate it lol... <-- ori |
| 19:12.57 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 19:13.04 | Cloudwolf | oh rofl |
| 19:13.06 | malreth | Cloudwolf: hallowed are the Ori |
| 19:13.07 | Cloudwolf | *or I |
| 19:13.21 | Fisker | Steve Jobs was a little girl eidolarr |
| 19:13.28 | Fisker | Living alone in his little world |
| 19:13.50 | cog|work | Steves an apple girl, in the apple wo orld |
| 19:14.13 | malreth | Fisker: I haven't been paying attention to you lately. Did Jobs announce a free fix for the Droid X bricking itself yet? |
| 19:14.24 | Fisker | naw malreth |
| 19:15.18 | malreth | Did he fix the Droid Eris dropping calls? |
| 19:15.22 | Fisker | He did, however, announce a $299 (excluding contract prices) fix for the iPhone 4 antenna issues |
| 19:15.24 | malreth | i hope he did |
| 19:15.33 | Zyn | duct tape > antenna problem |
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| 19:15.49 | malreth | because I worship him like he was a god... i mean all of us apple people do |
| 19:15.56 | malreth | so that means he can fix anything |
| 19:16.00 | eidolarr | arstechnica had a fix based on electrical tape that actually looked sharp |
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| 19:17.08 | Dagmar | But still... they shoduln't have released the phone with that type of design shortcoming, and they're just plain fucking you sheep over by not doing anything about it |
| 19:17.25 | Fisker | He never said it dropped any calls |
| 19:17.27 | cbreak | you think he knew? |
| 19:17.30 | Fisker | he said it reduced the number of bars |
| 19:17.31 | Dagmar | Touching an antenna *always* kills signal |
| 19:17.38 | eidolarr | People are mostly mad about the brush-off I think, and they will likely remain mad |
| 19:17.50 | eidolarr | would an apology have killed him |
| 19:17.59 | Dagmar | cbreak: Think back to the demo Jobs did where the phone couldn't get signal |
| 19:18.09 | malreth | I'm still waiting for Microsoft to apologize for Vista |
| 19:18.14 | Fisker | which is why you make sure to design the phone in such a way that you don't touch the antenna of course Dagmar |
| 19:18.22 | cbreak | Dagmar: that was WLan |
| 19:18.26 | cbreak | not phone |
| 19:18.27 | Dagmar | Fisker: Yeah, but they went ahead and designed it the insane way |
| 19:18.37 | eidolarr | malreth: apples and oranges |
| 19:18.38 | cbreak | in a room full with people who each had their own wlan base stations |
| 19:19.08 | Dagmar | I think that would be more than enough cause to start grabbing engineers and shaking answers out of them |
| 19:19.10 | cbreak | there was a google conference a few days before the apple one |
| 19:19.17 | cbreak | they had the exact same problem at their demonstration |
| 19:19.26 | cbreak | with their android thing |
| 19:19.31 | Fisker | naw |
| 19:19.35 | Fisker | it was google tv |
| 19:19.36 | Fisker | :P |
| 19:19.44 | cbreak | that too... |
| 19:20.13 | cbreak | anyway, WLan with more than a few dozen people doesn't work well |
| 19:20.13 | Fisker | Technically that was logitech's fault though!1 |
| 19:20.22 | cbreak | there are only 13 WLan channels, and they even overlap |
| 19:20.38 | cbreak | some of them aren't even legal to use in the US |
| 19:20.44 | Gnarfoz | it was in the US, they only use 11 |
| 19:20.47 | cbreak | (Only goes up to 11 there?) |
| 19:20.57 | Gnarfoz | and there's 14 channels all in all, for 2.4GHz 802.11 |
| 19:21.03 | nevcairiel | there are only 3 channels or so that you can use at the same time |
| 19:21.33 | Gnarfoz | if you're in asia, where 14 is available, it's 4, heh |
| 19:21.49 | Gnarfoz | anyway, just use 5GHz 802.11n, it has 40 non-overlapping channels :F |
| 19:22.03 | Dagmar | They don't all overlap, and you can definitely have more than three devices running in close proximity |
| 19:22.04 | Gnarfoz | and nevcairiel... why |
| 19:22.07 | Fisker | illegal Gnarfoz ! |
| 19:22.09 | Fisker | ILLEGAAAAAAAL |
| 19:22.12 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: what? |
| 19:22.18 | cbreak | only 13 available here |
| 19:22.26 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: nobody said you can't run 3 devices close to another |
| 19:22.32 | Fisker | pretty sure the 5GHz frequency is sofar only allowed in the US |
| 19:22.39 | Dagmar | We've actually had 13 APs running in one room for testing here |
| 19:22.40 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: nah |
| 19:22.44 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: and he said the opposite. |
| 19:22.46 | Fisker | It's not allowed here atleast |
| 19:23.00 | cbreak | apparently, there were over 500 access points at that apple event |
| 19:23.00 | Fisker | Of course you can always go "lol, wifi police?" |
| 19:23.02 | Gnarfoz | he said there's 3 channels that don't overlap *each other* =) |
| 19:23.06 | cbreak | something about "Mifis" |
| 19:23.09 | Fisker | But atleast Gnarfoz |
| 19:23.17 | Fisker | Google already went wifi police on you |
| 19:23.18 | Dagmar | GnarfoZ: Thanks. I'll let you know if I need anymore english translated into english |
| 19:23.59 | Gnarfoz | do you think you're funny? ^^ |
| 19:24.15 | malreth | i think it was quite funny |
| 19:25.02 | Gnarfoz | well, you also eat babies |
| 19:25.03 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 19:25.03 | eidolarr | yeah me too tbh |
| 19:25.21 | Cloudwolf | babies back ribs :D |
| 19:25.35 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: why what |
| 19:25.40 | Maldivia | Fisker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#5.C2.A0GHz_.28802.11a.2Fh.2Fj.2Fn.29 for the 5GHz frequencies |
| 19:25.42 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: why beta |
| 19:25.48 | nevcairiel | also, anyone arrived yet that can invite to eu alliance guild? |
| 19:25.49 | Gnarfoz | Maldivia: meh, beaten |
| 19:26.00 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: WoWI key, of course! |
| 19:26.10 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: huh? oO did I miss... |
| 19:26.15 | Gnarfoz | oh man |
| 19:27.18 | Cloudwolf | I demand that blizzard holds true to thier word and sends more keys today lol |
| 19:28.50 | cbreak | the world server doesn't seem to be able to bear the load though |
| 19:28.58 | nevcairiel | its not a load issue |
| 19:29.02 | cbreak | crashed twice today already |
| 19:29.14 | nevcairiel | its the beta, it will crash eventually |
| 19:29.17 | cbreak | well, maybe it's just unstable :) |
| 19:31.00 | Fisker | kises cbreak |
| 19:34.40 | eidolarr | The Droid X comes loaded with several nonstandard applications for Google's Android, most of which cannot be removed. |
| 19:34.43 | eidolarr | Among the phone's so-called junkware is a Blockbuster video app and a demo for an Electronic Arts game called Need for Speed: Shift. |
| 19:35.47 | Dashkal | Droid X. Isn't that the phone that bricks itself if you root it? |
| 19:35.56 | malreth | I hope it comes with NASCAR |
| 19:36.04 | Fisker | it's a feature Dashkal |
| 19:36.06 | malreth | and the wifis |
| 19:36.12 | Dashkal | Yeah.. pass |
| 19:36.17 | Dashkal | I demand root on my computers tyvm |
| 19:36.37 | Fisker | that has nothing to do with root actually Dashkal |
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| 19:36.41 | Lunessa | station |
| 19:36.45 | Fisker | busstop |
| 19:36.59 | Lunessa | omg Fisker FUUUUUU |
| 19:37.22 | Dashkal | I'm still not interested in a piece of hardware that becomes a paperweight when I use it in an unapproved manner. |
| 19:37.41 | Lunessa | Ok, now I just need to link some news stories and some cats to texts-from-last night and I'll have hit my IRC bingo. |
| 19:37.42 | Fisker | no Lunessa |
| 19:37.51 | cadabra | raid1name, raid1x, raid1subgrp, raid1y, raid1class = GetRaidRosterInfo(1) |
| 19:37.55 | cadabra | should that not work? |
| 19:38.05 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/ever_wonder_what_migren_feels_like.jpg |
| 19:38.24 | malreth | mikma: that seems about right |
| 19:38.26 | Fisker | on the contrary Dashkal i think you would very much appreciate it |
| 19:38.33 | Dagmar | eidolarr: You know how ya avoid that? You don't buy it from someone who'll install unremovable crap on it |
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| 19:38.37 | Fisker | however what is this about etc? |
| 19:38.39 | cbreak | bricked? As in really bricked? |
| 19:38.41 | Dagmar | ...or if you want to be really effective, buy it, then return it |
| 19:38.42 | malreth | mine look like spidery shimmery tendrils, though |
| 19:38.50 | cbreak | or fake bricked like the iPhones that you have to reinstall... |
| 19:38.51 | Dagmar | cbreak: it's got sort of an electronic fuse in it |
| 19:38.55 | cbreak | ouch |
| 19:38.57 | eidolarr | Dagmar: Tmo and sprint do it |
| 19:38.59 | cbreak | so hardware damage :/ |
| 19:39.10 | Dagmar | eidolarr: This is why ya don't buy phones from them |
| 19:39.18 | Dagmar | All they do is fuck 'em up |
| 19:39.22 | eidolarr | who then |
| 19:39.29 | Dagmar | Full retail pricing |
| 19:39.33 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/1279132180247.jpg |
| 19:39.47 | eidolarr | i am poor and would rather just root it lol |
| 19:39.52 | Dagmar | Oh... and wait for the DoJ to finish attempting to beat Apple up over their monopoly help with AT&T |
| 19:40.13 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Well, if you buy the subsidized phone, you don't have a lot of choice |
| 19:40.36 | Dagmar | I refuse to buy subsidized phones |
| 19:40.41 | cadabra | is there a delay on the getraidrosterinfo function after the party_converted_to_raid event? im trying: |
| 19:40.42 | cadabra | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.42 | cadabra | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.42 | cadabra | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.54 | Dagmar | I've had enough of getting a phone with functionality disabled or rendered mentally retardewd |
| 19:41.04 | eidolarr | perhaps you are in a financially stable enough place to do that |
| 19:41.20 | malreth | Dagmar: it would be nice if the DoJ won that one... it would free us all from locked-down phones finally |
| 19:41.48 | Dagmar | eidolarr: I save my nickels |
| 19:42.02 | Dagmar | If you can't afford the phone unsubsidized, you can't afford the phone anyway |
| 19:42.14 | eidolarr | sure I can |
| 19:42.19 | Dagmar | ...because you ARE paying the cell phone company that money in the form of your bill. |
| 19:42.29 | eidolarr | yeah but not all up front |
| 19:42.34 | Dagmar | So save your nickels. |
| 19:42.49 | malreth | Dagmar: except, the phone company isn't going to give you a discount on your monthly bill just because you bought an unsubsidized phone |
| 19:43.22 | Dagmar | I have a palm 800w. It's kind of a piece of shit, but I did *not* buy it subsidized, so I'm not paying for a data plan I'd be required to have but absolutely do NOT need, and I'm not paying an extra $10/month "you have a fancy phone" fee either |
| 19:43.39 | Dagmar | malreth: No, they just lose the ability to charge you for extra bullshit |
| 19:44.12 | Dashkal | malreth: Sure they will. See Wind Mobile (new canadian provider) :P Rates are lower, phones are all bought-outright. |
| 19:44.24 | Dagmar | So there's about $42/month I am *not* paying over the course of a 24-month contract. |
| 19:44.36 | malreth | Dashkal: Canada is like a magical country where everything is great |
| 19:44.44 | Dashkal | oh hell no. This is a very new development |
| 19:44.46 | Dagmar | then $10 "you have a fancy phone" fee Sprint charges amounts to $240 all by itself |
| 19:44.56 | eidolarr | Dagmar: I don't understand, what fee is that |
| 19:44.56 | Dashkal | The catch? They have a coverage area the size of a few peanuts. |
| 19:45.06 | malreth | Dagmar: well, sprint sucks, that's all there is to it |
| 19:45.43 | Dagmar | eidolarr: It's not just Sprint |
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| 19:46.14 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder. |
| 19:46.15 | Jamash | what's a good name for a male worgen warrior |
| 19:46.20 | Dagmar | It's the new thing all the cell providers are doing |
| 19:46.23 | malreth | Jamash: Jacob |
| 19:46.27 | A-KO | Jamash: Worgenfreeman |
| 19:46.29 | eidolarr | well it's not on my bill |
| 19:46.34 | Jamash | you guys suck |
| 19:46.39 | eidolarr | If they offered a cheaper no-contract plan I would be all over it |
| 19:46.44 | Dagmar | A-ko: Oooh that's a good one although it's kinda a rulebreaker |
| 19:46.46 | Lunessa | malreth: Except the winters. The winters in Canada are not magically 'better.' |
| 19:46.49 | foxlit | lua> f = loadstring([["function k() return select(2, ...) end return k")("a", "b") print(f()); |
| 19:46.58 | foxlit | lua> f = loadstring([["function k() return select(2, ...) end return k]])("a", "b") print(f()); |
| 19:47.08 | Jamash | what |
| 19:49.04 | foxlit | So that's not it. |
| 19:49.19 | Morkesh | hmm |
| 19:49.22 | Jamash | I was going to name him "twilightsucks" but it wouldn't fit |
| 19:49.28 | Morkesh | i believe there might be a scaling bug on beta with gnomes on ravenlords :P |
| 19:49.44 | Morkesh | unless they'r meant to be bigger than tauren ones |
| 19:49.55 | cbreak | I wonder if thunderstorms are encouraged by temperature drops. |
| 19:50.05 | cbreak | they seem to start at evening/night a lot |
| 19:50.26 | foxlit | I can't inherit a vararg, eh |
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| 19:50.54 | cbreak | inherit? |
| 19:51.05 | foxlit | The "a", "b" arguments are passed to the chunk loaded by loadstring |
| 19:51.16 | Jamash | are you trying to turn ... into a closure? |
| 19:51.23 | Jamash | er, not a closure |
| 19:51.29 | cbreak | the chunk only creates a function |
| 19:51.35 | cbreak | it doesn't execute the function |
| 19:52.06 | Dagmar | cbreak: Excitation of the clouds by differential heating of sunlight |
| 19:52.16 | foxlit | cbreak: I'm not sure whether that's an objection or not :) |
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| 19:52.27 | foxlit | The effect I was looking for was |
| 19:52.28 | foxlit | > f = assert(loadstring([[local v = select(2, ...) return function() return v end]], "a"))("a", "b") print(f()); |
| 19:52.29 | foxlit | b |
| 19:52.57 | foxlit | But you have to do that upvalue trick as you can't have an upvalue vararg: |
| 19:52.58 | foxlit | > f = assert(loadstring([[return function() return select(2, ...) end]], "a"))("a", "b") print(f()); |
| 19:52.58 | foxlit | stdin:1: [string "a"]:1: cannot use '...' outside a vararg function near '...' |
| 19:53.34 | Dagmar | cbreak: We're in a great big bowl here, and so thunderstorms like to roll in in the later part of the day and seriously tear s**t up |
| 19:55.32 | Morkesh | anyone here worked with the AH through LUA? |
| 19:55.43 | Morkesh | get a question about QueryAuctionItems() and multiple pages :/ |
| 19:55.54 | eidolarr | if I have frames A and B, with B on top of A, can A have a texture that draws atop B? |
| 19:56.46 | foxlit | eidolarr: it depends on what "B on top of A" means. |
| 19:57.01 | foxlit | But generally, no. |
| 19:57.06 | eidolarr | displaying on top |
| 19:57.20 | eidolarr | alright, thank you |
| 19:58.40 | Dagmar | There's weirdness with backgrounds that can make that happen but I'm told it's an undefined behaviour |
| 20:01.53 | Kraps | 1,000,000 points! |
| 20:03.18 | A-KO | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=simba |
| 20:03.47 | malreth | i'm gonna have a four-some with my wife and two other girls all weekend long... and by "four-some" i really mean playing D&D and rolling dice instead of having sex |
| 20:04.24 | malreth | oddly enough, the DM still insists on holding the camera |
| 20:04.37 | Morkesh | malreth: you need to learn when to end your sentences :P |
| 20:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | goes on a mildly murderous rampage |
| 20:05.24 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: sounds like fun |
| 20:06.30 | Lunessa | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1723141/security-flaw-leave-popular-websites-vulnerable |
| 20:06.59 | malreth | you can see my Tarepanda dice bag in the corner of the frame here http://twitpic.com/1zzvkm |
| 20:07.03 | Lunessa | malreth: Say hi to the missus and the ladies for me. |
| 20:07.11 | malreth | Lunessa: will do |
| 20:08.20 | malreth | i'm playing a wizard |
| 20:08.32 | malreth | i hope i don't experience any premature conjuration |
| 20:08.32 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: what edition, if i might ask? |
| 20:08.44 | malreth | NightHawkTheSane: 3.5e |
| 20:08.52 | NightHawkTheSane | cool. |
| 20:09.35 | Cloudwolf | just don't mix up the regular dice with sex dice >.> |
| 20:09.36 | Cloudwolf | <.< |
| 20:09.42 | Cloudwolf | or do rather... |
| 20:10.02 | malreth | that's odd, because i use regular dice for sex dice. |
| 20:10.05 | Lunessa | All the ladies in that image are very pleasant company indeed. |
| 20:10.13 | malreth | rolls a 16. what does that mean!? |
| 20:10.18 | Morkesh | "you see a dragon what do you do?" "i cast fireball" "roll the dice for damage" "you hit the dragon with a fireball for lick nipples" |
| 20:10.22 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: you look it up on a table, right? |
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| 20:10.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Rolemaster: Adult Edition |
| 20:11.30 | Cloudwolf | morkesh xkcd right? |
| 20:11.36 | Morkesh | no idea Cloudwolf :) |
| 20:11.46 | Morkesh | just me brainstorming the mix :P |
| 20:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | xkcd did that joke a while back |
| 20:11.58 | Cloudwolf | http://xkcd.com/708/ |
| 20:11.59 | Cloudwolf | >.> |
| 20:12.13 | Cloudwolf | i knew that sounded familiar just not a dragon lol |
| 20:12.25 | Morkesh | haha :D why wouldn't you know |
| 20:12.39 | Morkesh | i mostly read married to the sea |
| 20:12.42 | Morkesh | and toothpaste for dinner |
| 20:12.43 | NightHawkTheSane | personally, the hover text on that comic is epic. |
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| 20:13.08 | Lunessa | Wow, do you ever take it. |
| 20:13.31 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: sadly, my one D&D group has gone from 4 females down to 2, but we just got a third again, so woo? |
| 20:14.26 | A-KO | you have D&D groups? |
| 20:14.40 | malreth | A-KO: yeah... we have them everywhere in America |
| 20:14.43 | Cloudwolf | http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz/5827 |
| 20:14.45 | malreth | it's an awesome country |
| 20:14.48 | Cloudwolf | please god tell me that isn't a true story |
| 20:14.49 | Cloudwolf | please! |
| 20:14.55 | Morkesh | Cloudwolf: haha yeah :D saw it and facepalmed |
| 20:15.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, sometimes i think NAR stories are made up.. but that one i can believe. |
| 20:16.43 | Lunessa | NHTS: I worked with a guy who has a BS IN COMPSCI and had no clue how to work a computer at all. I ended up having to train him in the most basic things. And yet, his degree got him $10/hour more than me. Luckily, he managed to get fired for other issues. |
| 20:18.38 | cadabra | so, i used to get lua errors and access to /err in game when there was a problem with syntax. now i dont. anyone know how to enable that? |
| 20:19.07 | NightHawkTheSane | did your 'show lua errors' cehckbox in interface options become unchecked? |
| 20:19.12 | Lunessa | check your interface options, under help. :) |
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| 20:19.35 | cadabra | yes, it did. hmm, wonder how that happened. |
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| 20:19.39 | cadabra | tyvm |
| 20:19.51 | malreth | http://twitter.com/bedheadblonde/status/18687266540 |
| 20:20.59 | Lunessa | lulz |
| 20:21.02 | CC13 | Hi guys, is there any way to set the chatframe's text size from an addon? I need it smaller than 12 and i figured i would make a very simple addon to do that |
| 20:21.48 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: that background is hypnotic |
| 20:22.52 | CC13 | No one knows a command or something? :/ |
| 20:22.58 | nicoli_s | agreed NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:24.02 | NightHawkTheSane | CC13: i would suggest checking the api, looking at blizzard's interface code (framexml), and maybe look at code for some of the more robust chat addons (chatter, prat, to name a couple) |
| 20:24.29 | CC13 | I did take a look at chatter, that gave nothing really because it's based on those libs |
| 20:24.58 | malreth | CC13: ignore the libs... they don't do the work of setting the text size |
| 20:24.59 | foxlit | CC13: It's a strange thing to know :) |
| 20:25.12 | CC13 | foxlit, huh? |
| 20:25.13 | foxlit | How often would you want to change your chat font size form an addon? :) |
| 20:25.25 | CC13 | I cant do it less than 12 from right click menu |
| 20:25.28 | CC13 | I need less than 1w2 |
| 20:25.30 | CC13 | 12* |
| 20:25.34 | CC13 | It looks bloated |
| 20:26.03 | malreth | find the code for the drop down menu in blizzards UI code. replace "12" with whatever number you want it to be |
| 20:26.09 | CC13 | And I thought of an addon since I didn't wanted to "/run Api.. " every time i login |
| 20:26.11 | foxlit | It's not to say that you shouldn't find out; just that it's unlikely that anyone will have it memorized |
| 20:26.28 | CC13 | Okay, wowwiki widget api gave nothing I'll try blizz code |
| 20:26.52 | CC13 | Theres some website you can browse it on i just cant remember |
| 20:26.54 | CC13 | Do you know it? |
| 20:27.04 | Morkesh | just google framexml |
| 20:27.06 | malreth | i forget... alestane knows, tho |
| 20:27.16 | Morkesh | and tekkubs github thing should come up |
| 20:27.18 | alestane | What do I know? |
| 20:27.24 | Morkesh | or go to wowprogramming.com, it's there aswell |
| 20:27.25 | CC13 | Ok |
| 20:27.26 | malreth | alestane: how to love |
| 20:27.31 | CC13 | Thats the one |
| 20:27.32 | CC13 | thx |
| 20:27.40 | Morkesh | np :) |
| 20:27.47 | malreth | http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 20:27.58 | foxlit | wc is horribly broken :( |
| 20:28.08 | malreth | it is... just noticed |
| 20:29.00 | Maldivia | CC13: let me give you a hint: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/FloatingChatFrame.lua |
| 20:29.02 | NightHawkTheSane | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/ |
| 20:29.03 | malreth | meh... just get the Blizzard UI tools and extract the FrameXML yourself. who needs the stinking web |
| 20:29.09 | CC13 | Hehe i got it already :P |
| 20:30.49 | CC13 | Ah.. the size is set from SetFont as a second arg. thx guys ^^ |
| 20:34.55 | CC13 | It's rocking and rolling now, NO more oversized text, Thank you, this is a good dev chat ;) |
| 20:35.15 | malreth | CC13: you are on the path to becoming a powerful addon author |
| 20:35.23 | CC13 | The force is leading me |
| 20:35.24 | Morkesh | all we did were to tell you where to find the info yourself? :P |
| 20:35.36 | CC13 | No you gave me the info :D |
| 20:35.39 | KarlKFI | teach a man to fish |
| 20:35.43 | CC13 | I just smacked it into files |
| 20:35.56 | CC13 | Make a man a fire and he will be warm for a day... |
| 20:36.03 | malreth | now pastey your code somewhere so that we can all make fun of it |
| 20:36.04 | CC13 | Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life |
| 20:36.08 | foxlit | There appears to be no distinct event for guildmates coming online/offline |
| 20:36.29 | CC13 | kthxbb |
| 20:36.41 | KarlKFI | it's a chat event |
| 20:36.44 | malreth | foxlit: GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE? |
| 20:36.45 | Morkesh | does that happen often? :P |
| 20:36.53 | KarlKFI | or roster update |
| 20:37.04 | Morkesh | people comming on to ask one question and then they disappear :p |
| 20:37.08 | KarlKFI | but theroster update fires a ton |
| 20:37.13 | foxlit | KarlKFI: chat stuff is CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM, and probably only when you have the CVar enabled |
| 20:37.21 | KarlKFI | it's ture |
| 20:37.27 | foxlit | I don't know what's going on with GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE, but it doesn't seem related to people coming online/offline |
| 20:37.29 | malreth | Morkesh: sometimes... i'm surprised he didn't stick around, actually |
| 20:38.01 | Stanzilla | ping mikma |
| 20:39.08 | Morkesh | the AH taunts me |
| 20:39.19 | malreth | hmm... does the blizzard guild interface window automatically update when guildmates come online/go offline |
| 20:39.21 | Morkesh | and due to the nature of it, i hardly find it fair to just trial and error my way to it |
| 20:39.29 | Morkesh | malreth: no |
| 20:39.30 | cog|work | malreth: no |
| 20:40.02 | malreth | in that case, the guild window probably just does a GuildRoster() on show, waits for the update event, and yadda yadda |
| 20:40.43 | malreth | if it even does that much |
| 20:41.10 | foxlit | "we plan to include an option that will allow players to opt out of appearing on their Real ID friendsâ âfriends of friendsâ lists" |
| 20:41.48 | malreth | i should probably get some more realid friends |
| 20:42.11 | eidolarr | foxlit: where |
| 20:42.20 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26137024221&sid=1 |
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| 20:42.27 | Gnarfoz | s/more realid// |
| 20:42.52 | malreth | Gnarfoz: *hissssssss* |
| 20:42.59 | Kraps | http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100716-710462.html |
| 20:43.02 | Gnarfoz | malreth: *herssssssssss* |
| 20:43.38 | Fisker | slaps malreth around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:43.39 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:43.40 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:43.43 | Fisker | BAM |
| 20:43.46 | Gnarfoz | Fisker Fisker |
| 20:44.15 | Fisker | so we plan to include an option that will allow players to opt out of appearing on their Real ID friendsâ âfriends of friendsâ lists. We're anticipating this feature to be available for StarCraft II shortly after release of the game, and World of Warcraft at around the same time -- weâll have more information for you in the coming weeks. |
| 20:44.16 | Fisker | sweet |
| 20:44.39 | Niv | horay |
| 20:44.43 | Niv | link? |
| 20:44.48 | Cloudwolf | it was linekd above niv |
| 20:44.51 | Niv | oh |
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| 20:44.53 | Kraps | was just about to link that |
| 20:44.54 | Niv | the WSG link |
| 20:45.08 | Cloudwolf | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26137024221&sid=1 |
| 20:45.29 | cbreak | I want to opt out from having the home screen cluttered with that shitty facebook stuff and all the other useless adds |
| 20:45.43 | Cloudwolf | Now i maya ctualy use realid sincei can opt out of friend of friend |
| 20:45.53 | cbreak | I will have paid for SC2, so having no adds in the game is not too much to ask for |
| 20:46.10 | eidolarr | just for you they will set up a monthly fee |
| 20:46.25 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: it's slowly getting in the direction of being usable ;p |
| 20:46.36 | cbreak | I don't need to pay a fee |
| 20:46.44 | cbreak | I will have paid the game price in full |
| 20:47.22 | Kraps | "As always, we recommend that you get your UI add-ons through reliable sources. Itâs important to note that without installing a UI add-on specifically designed to retrieve that information, thereâs no risk of it being accessed. On our end, weâre looking into the issue and are at work on some changes that we can make to help protect against these types of add-ons. Weâll provide further... |
| 20:47.23 | Kraps | ...details as soon as we have more information to share. |
| 20:47.43 | eidolarr | battle.net has always had ads, never been a big deal |
| 20:48.30 | foxlit | current UI doesn't seem to have space? |
| 20:49.26 | eidolarr | i'm not sure if they're even going to have ads |
| 20:49.30 | eidolarr | maybe on the loading screen, like STEAM? |
| 20:49.35 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.40 | Kraps | eh |
| 20:49.45 | cbreak | sc2 already has addds |
| 20:49.52 | Kraps | how many permutations is that? |
| 20:49.55 | cbreak | on the home screen |
| 20:50.04 | eidolarr | 10^3 |
| 20:50.20 | cbreak | Kraps: permutations? |
| 20:50.22 | Cloudwolf | lol a 3 digit code >.< |
| 20:50.26 | cbreak | a permutation is a reordering |
| 20:50.40 | eidolarr | ok 10^3 minus some change |
| 20:50.41 | cbreak | so the answer is 6, if each digit is unique |
| 20:50.43 | Cloudwolf | maybe if you used hexadecimal or included all numbers letters and character |
| 20:51.31 | Kraps | 3 seems like a low number, unless there will be duplicates |
| 20:51.49 | eidolarr | I am getting 10^3 - 10^2 - 10 |
| 20:51.57 | foxlit | eidolarr: bad |
| 20:51.59 | eidolarr | so, 890 |
| 20:52.04 | foxlit | 10^3 was correct, you should've left it there. |
| 20:52.14 | eidolarr | no it's not |
| 20:52.19 | eidolarr | overcounts |
| 20:52.20 | foxlit | There's no reason someone's character code can't be 000 or 999 |
| 20:52.21 | cbreak | 10^3 is the total amount of 3 digit numbers |
| 20:52.26 | eidolarr | 10^3 - 9*10 - 10 |
| 20:52.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 20:52.28 | eidolarr | that's the answer |
| 20:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | er, no, you dont have to remove anything? |
| 20:52.38 | cbreak | 6 is the maximal amount of permutations |
| 20:52.40 | foxlit | Explain the question, then. |
| 20:52.51 | eidolarr | oh, yeah, my bad |
| 20:52.52 | NightHawkTheSane | there are 1000 3 digit numbers. |
| 20:53.05 | eidolarr | what on earth was i trying to do |
| 20:53.15 | Kraps | ". World of Warcraft handles player identification differently, so we still need to determine whether adding a character code system like in StarCraft II is the best solution." |
| 20:53.18 | Kraps | oi |
| 20:53.41 | eidolarr | oh, damn, "permutations" threw me |
| 20:53.42 | foxlit | Could be nice, though. |
| 20:53.48 | foxlit | Lock you into a persistent identifier. |
| 20:54.01 | cbreak | Just use Servername-Character |
| 20:54.13 | cbreak | or give the user an option to select an "account name" |
| 20:54.14 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: you might have been thinking factorial, but what you were trying to do was also not that :P |
| 20:54.16 | foxlit | cbreak: not persistent, however. |
| 20:54.54 | Kraps | maybe i meant combinations after all :/ |
| 20:54.57 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: I think I was for some reason thinking that 10^3 was permuting the numbers, and thus that I had to remove the overcounting in, say, 422 being reachable two ways |
| 20:56.11 | cbreak | 422 has 3 permutations :) |
| 20:56.51 | foxlit | 422 is a number; defining permutations on numbers is weird. |
| 20:56.53 | cbreak | there are 10 3 digit numbers with all 3 digits equal |
| 20:57.08 | eidolarr | and 9*10 with 2 digits equal |
| 20:57.08 | cbreak | you seem to have subtracted that |
| 20:57.19 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 20:57.25 | cbreak | no idea why you did that :) |
| 20:57.30 | eidolarr | that's exactly what I did, I just have no idea what I would have to have subtracted from to make it right haha |
| 20:58.27 | cbreak | foxlit: I was looking at it as a string |
| 20:58.44 | eidolarr | doesn't "get your addons through reliable sources" put the burden of checking on curse, wowi? |
| 20:59.12 | cbreak | it puts the burden of checking on the author |
| 20:59.38 | NightHawkTheSane | caveat emptor? |
| 20:59.39 | Cloudwolf | wow i already does virus scans |
| 20:59.43 | Cloudwolf | and malicious code checks |
| 20:59.50 | Cloudwolf | i thnk |
| 20:59.52 | Cloudwolf | *think |
| 20:59.59 | cbreak | both are impossible endeavors :) |
| 21:00.05 | eidolarr | cbreak: i mean, if the author is an attacker |
| 21:00.08 | cbreak | (impossible as defined by the halting problem) |
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| 21:02.58 | cbreak | still can't get into SC2 |
| 21:03.17 | eidolarr | what league are you in? |
| 21:04.10 | cbreak | league? I currently don't even get to the login screen |
| 21:05.07 | eidolarr | oh wow, I thought you meant you were unenthusiastic |
| 21:06.02 | foxlit | Hm, so my best bet is probably to force-lock the CVar and catch MSG_SYSTEM |
| 21:06.04 | Kraps | http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-online-gaming-64474.phtml |
| 21:07.35 | cadabra | http://paste.wowace.com/2205/ |
| 21:07.39 | cadabra | anyone |
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| 21:08.23 | malreth | zomg lern2table |
| 21:08.35 | cadabra | dont be mean. teach. |
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| 21:09.05 | Ressy | Kraps, whatever was on that page, Avast blocked as malware. |
| 21:09.05 | malreth | zomg ur rite! one sec |
| 21:09.06 | cadabra | yss showed me a recyler.. a few pasties back |
| 21:09.17 | cadabra | but i dont know how to apply it here |
| 21:09.33 | Yssaril_android | Lol am at wkrk |
| 21:09.39 | Kraps | Ressy: its a legit gaming site.... |
| 21:09.46 | Yssaril_android | Work even |
| 21:09.57 | mikma | stanzilla: yo |
| 21:10.01 | Dagmar | Kraps: Some other vhost on there was probably caught shipping malware |
| 21:10.07 | Stanzilla | mikma: wtb invite to eu guild plx! |
| 21:10.12 | Arrowmaster | or its in the ads |
| 21:10.14 | mikma | nick plox |
| 21:10.42 | cog|work | Maldivia: do you know if they've implemented the guild ui pet? |
| 21:10.42 | Kraps | http://virtualrealityblog.com/games/why-modern-mmos-suck-and-how-we-can-stop-them-from-sucking/ |
| 21:10.44 | cog|work | hides |
| 21:10.46 | Kraps | good as well |
| 21:11.23 | Maldivia | heh |
| 21:11.29 | mikma | stanzilla: name? |
| 21:11.32 | Maldivia | cog|work: no pet yet :P |
| 21:11.36 | malreth | cadabra: how long have you been working in Lua? |
| 21:11.46 | Stanzilla | mikma: maiel |
| 21:11.48 | cadabra | about 12 days |
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| 21:11.54 | Dagmar | OMG so unfair guilds get pets |
| 21:12.43 | eidolarr | "The problem with MMOs was never that they require too much effort. This was, on the contrary, one of their primary strengths. We want to exert effort. We want to commit time." stupid |
| 21:12.55 | Cloudwolf | dagmar link? |
| 21:12.59 | Cloudwolf | or picture? |
| 21:13.00 | cog|work | Kraps: Eve online hits each of those points more squarely on the head than wow, except the first one |
| 21:13.08 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: Just scroll up a bit |
| 21:13.22 | foxlit | I don't buy the premise |
| 21:13.23 | mikma | more people wanting eu ally invite? |
| 21:13.32 | Gnarfoz | mikma: later |
| 21:13.38 | Kraps | cog|work: now that you mention it... |
| 21:13.41 | foxlit | The author might not want to play an MMO for "mindless fun", but I might. |
| 21:13.55 | Maldivia | the maelstrom looks so cool :P |
| 21:14.09 | mikma | gnarfoz: later i am not here anymore |
| 21:14.24 | nevcairiel | i can invite as well now |
| 21:14.24 | Gnarfoz | mikma: later, I might have a beta invite! |
| 21:14.28 | eidolarr | foxlit: exactly, fuck grinds, make the gameplay fun enough to stand on its own without carrot-on-a-stick rewards |
| 21:15.06 | mikma | well, i tried to promote everyone i could so they can invite |
| 21:15.08 | Maldivia | eidolarr: grinds, as in early SWG, grind 5 unknown specs and unlock jedi ? :) |
| 21:15.38 | Dagmar | ...or not unlock Jedi, if it's not in your cards. |
| 21:15.46 | Gnarfoz | mikma: =) |
| 21:16.13 | eidolarr | my biggest problem with wow is that it's just not that fun if you don't care about the rewards |
| 21:16.46 | foxlit | eidolarr: so, summarized, pushing buttons to make your character do things isn't in and of itself fun. |
| 21:17.39 | eidolarr | naw it can be, I had a lot of fun in classic killing people on the boat between auberdine and menethil |
| 21:17.56 | foxlit | It strikes me that that fun might be another person's grief. |
| 21:17.59 | eidolarr | IMO the idea of getting rewarded gets too muddled up with the idea of having fun |
| 21:18.29 | eidolarr | naw PvE server, if they didn't want to play they could (and did) ride the boat and /hug us the whole way |
| 21:18.30 | Dagmar | Fun is a nice big wall of numbers because someone overpulled |
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| 21:18.58 | eidolarr | these days no one defends =( |
| 21:19.12 | foxlit | fun is a sense of progression |
| 21:19.29 | eidolarr | not necessarily, but in WoW yeah, that's my beef |
| 21:19.51 | Mirrormn | be more accurate if you said "a sense of progression is fun" |
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| 21:20.07 | Mirrormn | and even more so if you said "a sense of progression is fun to me" |
| 21:20.09 | foxlit | Perhaps; you're welcome to suggest additional aspects :) |
| 21:20.19 | solocommand | so im starting out trying to work on an addon; is there a way to reload the addon without exiting the game completely? |
| 21:20.26 | eidolarr | too much emphasis on the progression aspect of fun and not enough on the gameplay |
| 21:20.27 | foxlit | solocommand: /reload |
| 21:20.43 | Cloudwolf | i like pvp andi like pve lol |
| 21:20.46 | Cloudwolf | pvp becuase it makes me think |
| 21:20.50 | foxlit | eidolarr: is repeating the same level in Portal fun? |
| 21:20.51 | Cloudwolf | pve because i get rewards lol |
| 21:20.51 | solocommand | will that reload the changed lua files? I was under the assumption that it caches while the game was open or something |
| 21:21.04 | foxlit | solocommand: it will reload the changed files; it will not load any new files. |
| 21:21.12 | eidolarr | foxlit: strawman, is playing the same map in CS fun? |
| 21:21.14 | solocommand | ah ok, thanks :) |
| 21:21.33 | foxlit | eidolarr: are you getting better at playing that map? :) |
| 21:21.48 | eidolarr | me? no |
| 21:21.52 | Mirrormn | I'd say playing the same map in CS is about as fun as doing the same raid every week in wow |
| 21:22.08 | Mirrormn | same environment, slightly different challenges |
| 21:22.10 | theorbtwo | One interesting thing I noticed about Portal: even several years later, the game is a lot easier the second time. |
| 21:22.13 | foxlit | CS is hard, though. I'd prefer single-player examples. |
| 21:22.18 | Dagmar | Good thing there's lots of maps |
| 21:22.34 | KarlKFI | fun is relative, but the human body does get a thrill out of taking a risk and having it be rewarded. People also derive happiness from a job well done, praise, recognition, etc. That got watered down to just getting rewarded for doing some work. And that's when it stops being fun. |
| 21:22.52 | Dagmar | Too right. Spamming seed of corruption is definitely "risk" |
| 21:23.07 | KarlKFI | look at any game that rewards progression but is too easy and has no perceived risk |
| 21:23.09 | Mirrormn | it is if your tanks don't have enough aggro |
| 21:23.09 | Dagmar | 'spesh when Soul Shatter is on cooldown |
| 21:23.11 | Mirrormn | wheeee |
| 21:23.11 | eidolarr | foxlit: Portal is different because Portal's gameplay is fun; I beat portal because I thought the puzzles were cool, not because I wanted to be able to say I'd beaten it |
| 21:23.19 | Cloudwolf | Again why i like pvp the situation is differnet every time and im not getting rewarded with random loot i get hte pelasure of knowing the other dude just died |
| 21:23.33 | foxlit | eidolarr: I'm contending that Portal is fun because there's a progression in the difficulty of those puzzles. |
| 21:23.39 | foxlit | You aren't solving the same thing over and over. |
| 21:23.43 | KarlKFI | like in wow the risk is "wasting time" that's the penalty for failure |
| 21:23.56 | eidolarr | foxlit: that's variety, the progression is incidental |
| 21:24.09 | KarlKFI | some risk in pvp involves loss of rank |
| 21:24.12 | foxlit | No, there's a distinct slope of introduced tricks. |
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| 21:24.43 | KarlKFI | other risks can be wasting other people's time, which is motivating in raids |
| 21:24.45 | foxlit | Complexity of solutions increases, you progress to "harder" levels with something new in them. |
| 21:24.47 | eidolarr | the "progression" of completing a single player game is very different from that of grinding the 100k hk achievement in WoW |
| 21:25.00 | eidolarr | unless the single player game is grindy |
| 21:25.18 | eidolarr | maybe the only difference is that single player games' fun is based more largely on the gameplay |
| 21:25.22 | Ressy | Kraps: Its not an ad.. Its an image hosted on the website itself. Says something about an html inf file in the jpg. |
| 21:26.25 | foxlit | eidolarr: I wouldn't want to argue that the 100k honor kills achievement is fun. |
| 21:26.34 | eidolarr | To compare, you have to compare the drive to finish the levels for the sake of finishing the levels |
| 21:26.52 | KarlKFI | the combination of risk and achievement requires possible failure for it to be emotionally rewarding. other different types of rewards can come from peer bonding, and shared experience and are rewards of other risks, like spending time with strangers |
| 21:27.00 | eidolarr | in reality most people play SP games because they enjoy the gameplay, if it gets harder that's part of the fun, but the drive isn't to say "aha look how much harder the game has gotten and I am still winning!" |
| 21:27.40 | KarlKFI | other 'fun' can come from listening to good storytelling, reading a book, watchign a movie |
| 21:27.58 | foxlit | ^ all broadly filed under "progression in story" |
| 21:28.17 | KarlKFI | participating in an epic can be fun, but only if it feels like you're actually makign a difference |
| 21:28.19 | eidolarr | ok, yes, you can water down 'progression' until it has no meaning |
| 21:28.30 | eidolarr | in the cnotext of WoW it means something very different from those other examples and you know it |
| 21:29.27 | foxlit | eidolarr: And yet it isn't wow's raiding tiers definition that I'm using. |
| 21:29.31 | KarlKFI | for example in games/books/stories where the mystery is poorly revealed you may want to do something about it before the author does, so it feels drawn out and frustrating |
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| 21:30.09 | foxlit | If anything, wow becomes less fun at MAX_LEVEL, not more :) |
| 21:30.35 | Dagmar | I'd like to see a boss stop combat at random intervals, go invulnerable, and demand a random raid member spell a common seven letter word correctly or begin taking 10% of their health every three seconds along with a 90% healing nerf. |
| 21:30.38 | eidolarr | well shit why didn't you say that sooner |
| 21:30.43 | foxlit | [Though that's ignoring the social fun aspects, really] |
| 21:31.02 | eidolarr | they are more complicated |
| 21:31.06 | Mirrormn | I find raiding to be extremely fun |
| 21:31.08 | cbreak | Dagmar: "The word you seek is in the user manual on page 13, paragraph 2, word 22" |
| 21:31.09 | Mirrormn | *shrug* |
| 21:31.18 | Dagmar | ...of course, rogues would be asked to spell the name of their class. |
| 21:31.26 | Cloudwolf | incoming dbm that just makes your dude auto say it |
| 21:31.38 | Cloudwolf | its rogue not rouge ya buncha tards! |
| 21:31.52 | Cloudwolf | >.> <.< |
| 21:32.17 | Dagmar | "YOU ARE A REDDISH FACIAL POWDER THEN? I WILL GRIND YOU WITH MY GIANT CLUB NOW YOU LOUT! *wham*300,000damage" |
| 21:33.27 | Cloudwolf | and with the increased helath pools thats what half of your hp? |
| 21:33.29 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 21:33.55 | Dagmar | I don't think we're going to see players with 300k any time soon |
| 21:35.10 | foxlit | I don't think they've even began to try to get the 80 numbers right in the beta. |
| 21:35.36 | foxlit | Levelling experience seems to be "walk over to a mob, sneeze on it, loot" |
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| 21:36.28 | Mirrormn | foxlit: level 80 mobs have about 1/2 as much health as level 81 |
| 21:36.45 | foxlit | And I'm probably fighting level 78 ones |
| 21:37.36 | mikma | Wolf Riding? lol wat |
| 21:37.56 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:37.57 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:38.01 | Mirrormn | yeah, about halfway through hyjal and vashj'ir, mobs become significiantly harder to kill |
| 21:38.18 | eidolarr | foxlit: Back in the day people would fight for hours at TM with no reward but a long res timer... seems like these days if there is no reward for an activity, no one will do it |
| 21:38.22 | Cloudwolf | >.> <.< i want a wolf mount allaince side thats the only thing that makes me jealous of orcs |
| 21:38.44 | foxlit | eidolarr: if the activity isn't fun, no one will do it. |
| 21:38.46 | eidolarr | especially with achievements, the treadmill never stops, always something ti "work on" |
| 21:39.02 | foxlit | As for TM, that was roughly the time the honor system was introduced on our server. |
| 21:39.14 | eidolarr | yours was slow then |
| 21:39.21 | malreth | I'VE BEEN TOO HELPFUL TODAY |
| 21:39.29 | malreth | drills a hole in the chest of eidolarr |
| 21:39.39 | eidolarr | wow wtf =( |
| 21:39.48 | Fisker | slaps malreth around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:39.49 | malreth | blame cadabra |
| 21:41.00 | eidolarr | foxlit: It depends on what you mean by "no one", I'm saying people will do things they dont enjoy over things they do for the smallest rewards |
| 21:42.05 | malreth | fight at TM for little or no reward? hell... we did it even with there being a mild penalty! |
| 21:42.19 | malreth | remembers a time when DK meant something else entirely |
| 21:42.29 | eidolarr | yeah i collected em haha |
| 21:43.21 | malreth | i remember people bailing out, running like mad away, trying to log out... ANYTHING to avoid another DK |
| 21:43.39 | eidolarr | the trick to getting your pvp buddies to world pvp with you was assure them there would be no dks, then kill so many civvies so quickly that they gave up on the grind |
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| 21:43.59 | malreth | ha! |
| 21:44.08 | malreth | later folks! |
| 21:44.51 | Dashkal | Damnit... Only solving half of the friends of friends issue: "so we plan to include an option that will allow players to opt out of appearing on their Real ID friendsâ âfriends of friendsâ lists." |
| 21:45.39 | Cloudwolf | hey atleast its a step in the right direction |
| 21:46.09 | foxlit | what's the other half? |
| 21:46.25 | cbreak | friends don't let friends play World of Warcraft |
| 21:46.28 | Dashkal | I don't want people to see my friend's list |
| 21:46.43 | Dashkal | -' |
| 21:46.49 | cbreak | then don't get friends. |
| 21:46.57 | Dashkal | That would be my solution, yes |
| 21:47.12 | Dashkal | If they let me hide my friends list, I can actually use the damn feature |
| 21:48.55 | foxlit | "This user doesn't trust you enough to view his other friends. Loser." |
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| 21:49.03 | Dashkal | ooo, they're promising to fix the issue of addons mining realid data |
| 21:49.11 | Dashkal | Source: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26137024221/answers-to-common-community-questions-real-id/ |
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| 21:55.54 | cadabra | help plz: |
| 21:55.55 | cadabra | http://paste.wowace.com/2206/ |
| 21:56.02 | cadabra | trying to dynamiclaly name a parent |
| 21:56.33 | cadabra | im sending a string, which wont work |
| 21:58.08 | cadabra | anyone? |
| 21:59.09 | Slakah | _G[raid_slot] |
| 21:59.16 | Slakah | instead of raid_slot |
| 21:59.31 | Cloudwolf | slakah what does _G do convert a string to a variable? |
| 21:59.35 | Cloudwolf | or would that make a global? |
| 21:59.37 | Cloudwolf | and not a local |
| 22:00.25 | ckknight | _G is the table of globals |
| 22:00.35 | ckknight | _G[raid_slot] would get the global with the name of raid_slot |
| 22:03.11 | Fisker | cease and desist ckknight |
| 22:03.22 | ckknight | and if I refuse? |
| 22:03.47 | Fisker | dmca takedown |
| 22:04.52 | Sentri | omg nev spotted in beta |
| 22:04.57 | Fisker | slaps Sentri around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:05.11 | Sentri | :( |
| 22:05.58 | Sentri | so is there an EU-Horde author guild made yet? |
| 22:06.13 | Sentri | I dont like my current one |
| 22:06.21 | fiphi | Author guild? :p |
| 22:06.37 | cog|work | Sentri: not according to http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33892 |
| 22:06.41 | cog|work | (at the bottom of the post) |
| 22:06.50 | Sentri | yeah I just checked it :P |
| 22:06.56 | cadabra | slakah - you're god. |
| 22:07.09 | Sentri | just saw that there's an alliance one beacuse I spotted <Secure Hookers> |
| 22:07.51 | Fisker | garbage collectors |
| 22:08.18 | Sentri | oh |
| 22:08.44 | Sentri | ooo yeah it seems to exist |
| 22:09.36 | Cloudwolf | i dunno if i should take credit for the garbage collectors lol i suggested that a while ago but then again how many coding names canyou come up with lol |
| 22:10.27 | Morkesh | so i saw you guys chatting about mastery before and i got wondering |
| 22:10.28 | Morkesh | considering how good a stat it is, i reckon most items with mastery are an upgrade over 80 epics? |
| 22:10.28 | Cloudwolf | considering yoru losing dps with the 31 point talent trees |
| 22:10.29 | Cloudwolf | i would think yes |
| 22:10.35 | Cloudwolf | also since its only 5 levels instead of 10 |
| 22:10.42 | Cloudwolf | you will most likley be replacing gear much faster |
| 22:10.51 | Cloudwolf | same ammount of content crammed into 5 levels |
| 22:11.27 | Mirrormn | Morkesh: as far as I can tell, mastery doesn't do anything right now |
| 22:11.50 | Morkesh | myeah, the system looking like ratingbuster that blizz implemented in cata says everything is a downgrade by looking at stats |
| 22:11.53 | Cloudwolf | Although are they gonna be puting mastery on greens or leave it to be raid gear? |
| 22:12.27 | Cloudwolf | Remember your dps stat is doulbe the points of ap |
| 22:12.44 | Mirrormn | there's definitley mastery on leveling stuff |
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| 22:13.07 | eidolarr | is there a chat frame that makes it harder to miss messages when reloading the ui |
| 22:13.08 | Cloudwolf | <= doesn't have beta yet so im making assumptions based off of waht ive heared i'm probebly not helping :D |
| 22:13.21 | Cloudwolf | I doubt it |
| 22:13.31 | Cloudwolf | a realod of the ui is pretty much the same as logging out and in |
| 22:13.37 | Cloudwolf | with out well logging out and in |
| 22:13.44 | eidolarr | it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to save and restore the messages in the chat frame |
| 22:14.11 | Cloudwolf | how would it decypher the difference between a log out to save messages and a reload ui? |
| 22:14.21 | eidolarr | it wouldn't |
| 22:14.33 | Cloudwolf | so you would want to logon to see a lot of old messages from yesterday? |
| 22:14.35 | Mirrormn | or, time stamps |
| 22:14.36 | eidolarr | or it could use timestamps buit i don't see why you would need it |
| 22:14.58 | eidolarr | yeah sure, maybe a like that says <LOGOUT> so you can see the difference |
| 22:15.01 | Cloudwolf | Then you could most likley save messages in a saved variables variable |
| 22:15.03 | eidolarr | line* |
| 22:15.14 | eidolarr | yeah exactly, I'm asking if anyone has done it yet haha |
| 22:16.45 | Mirrormn | "Lady Naz'ja yells: Unleash the kraken!" -.- |
| 22:16.52 | Cloudwolf | and that i do not know eidolarr :D |
| 22:17.04 | Niv | no [PH] at the end? :) |
| 22:17.26 | Mirrormn | chat messages don't have [PH] |
| 22:17.29 | Cloudwolf | for the longest time i was confused b what the hell the hype with PH was and then i went oh... place holder.... |
| 22:17.30 | Mirrormn | juust models |
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| 22:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik__: you do a lot of wikipedia/media wiki stuff. How exactly is anti-spam managed? |
| 22:20.33 | Niv | Cloudwolf: the last boss in uhh |
| 22:20.36 | Niv | the water instance |
| 22:20.41 | Niv | has [PH] on all the text |
| 22:20.48 | Niv | Let's do this! [PH] |
| 22:20.56 | Niv | Here's some loot! [PH] |
| 22:20.57 | Niv | etc |
| 22:21.11 | Cloudwolf | sorry niv i have no basis for knowing anything in beta also mirrormn said its only on models >.> |
| 22:21.22 | Niv | he lied ;) |
| 22:21.32 | Mirrormn | well |
| 22:21.38 | Mirrormn | I haven't done any instances yet |
| 22:21.56 | Niv | BRC is pretty rough w/ LFD |
| 22:22.03 | Niv | a couple of the bosses take some coordination |
| 22:22.11 | Niv | it's refreshing |
| 22:22.22 | Mirrormn | a few of my guildmates are on beta, I'm gonna see if we can get a group together later tonight, probably |
| 22:23.04 | Mirrormn | I think I finished vashj'ir, but I'm not really sure |
| 22:23.20 | Niv | I only did a half dozen quests |
| 22:26.33 | cog|work | o irony.... "Unix Power Tools" e-book in microsoft compiled html help format... |
| 22:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: .chm wins? |
| 22:28.02 | cog|work | does it? I just thought it was an odd juxtaposition ... |
| 22:28.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | it is |
| 22:28.54 | ScytheBlade1 | entirely unrelated |
| 22:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/06/this-is-why-ill-never-be-adult.html |
| 22:30.11 | cog|work | omg that article is from the future! |
| 22:30.22 | cog|work | oh June |
| 22:30.26 | cog|work | OLDNEWS |
| 22:30.35 | cog|work | hides |
| 22:31.23 | ScytheBlade1 | stabs cog|work |
| 22:36.36 | Cloudwolf | http://notalwaysright.com/unloading-marital-baggage/5724 |
| 22:36.37 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 22:39.12 | Cairenn|afk | Just spoke with Blizz, it will /most likely/ be Monday before we get any more keys |
| 22:39.31 | Cloudwolf | *facedesk* |
| 22:39.33 | Cloudwolf | damn you blizzard |
| 22:39.37 | Cloudwolf | Well ty for the update |
| 22:39.43 | Cide- | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704682604575369093457494042.html?mod=rss_personal_technology#articleTabs%3Darticle |
| 22:40.02 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: (after reading) I didn't know i had a pink dress! |
| 22:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: lol |
| 22:40.53 | Cloudwolf | Cairenn im surprised they didn't just say "soon(tm) |
| 22:41.33 | cog|work | ~lart paywalls |
| 22:41.33 | purl | rm -rf's paywalls |
| 22:41.41 | cog|work | ~cide--- |
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| 22:42.21 | cog|work | ~karma cide- |
| 22:42.21 | purl | cide- has neutral karma |
| 22:42.41 | Cide- | cog|work, huh? |
| 22:42.54 | cog|work | Cide-: "to continue reading, subscribe now" |
| 22:43.00 | Cide- | who cares |
| 22:43.15 | Cide- | still says $100 million! |
| 22:44.36 | amro | cog|work: you need to hit him where it hurts |
| 22:44.38 | amro | ~Cide-- |
| 22:45.34 | amro | night everyone |
| 22:45.43 | Cide- | the fuck amro |
| 22:45.47 | Cide- | give it back |
| 22:46.02 | Cide- | it's not like I have a subscription! |
| 22:46.24 | amro | I figured you'd cheat and get it back using Cide- |
| 22:46.38 | Cide- | I'm an honest man |
| 22:46.46 | amro | ~Cide++ |
| 22:46.50 | amro | there, off to bed |
| 22:49.17 | Warloco | !topic |
| 22:49.19 | Cide- | fucking dreamspark |
| 22:49.20 | Warloco | bah |
| 22:49.43 | Warloco | is there any news on the keys? /cry |
| 22:49.45 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: curious, do you ever get the "CLEAN EVERYTHING!" bit? |
| 22:50.20 | cog|work | No, but I do get analogous urges... Mrs. Cog on the other hand... |
| 22:50.37 | Cloudwolf | warloco |
| 22:50.43 | Cloudwolf | pushed to monday (maybe) |
| 22:50.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I get them... all day, every day |
| 22:51.16 | Cloudwolf | warloco "[15:39]<Cairenn|afk>Just spoke with Blizz, it will /most likely/ be Monday before we get any more keys" |
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| 22:52.19 | Warloco | ahh thanks Cloud |
| 22:52.41 | Cloudwolf | aka soon(tm) >.> |
| 22:52.42 | cog|work | ScytheBlade1: yard work is my "CLEAN EVERYTHING" |
| 22:52.44 | Cloudwolf | meaning never :D |
| 22:53.05 | Warloco | well it's blizzard |
| 22:53.21 | Warloco | they say "11AM", its usally 5PM |
| 22:53.46 | Cloudwolf | they said friday 3 days ago |
| 22:53.47 | Warloco | which is like 4 time extensions |
| 22:53.48 | Cloudwolf | and pushed that to monday |
| 22:54.01 | Warloco | so we've got 3 more push backs to go? |
| 22:54.02 | Cloudwolf | so if its continual 3 day pusehs and we extend 4 times we hav ea long wait infront of us |
| 22:54.07 | Cloudwolf | 2 more |
| 22:54.11 | Cloudwolf | :P |
| 22:54.12 | Warloco | hehe |
| 22:54.18 | Cloudwolf | im in the same boat as you warloco |
| 22:54.22 | Cloudwolf | what number in the queue are you? |
| 22:54.29 | Warloco | 203 |
| 22:54.36 | Warloco | atleast I wasn't like, 3 earlier |
| 22:54.42 | Warloco | then id have been even more frustrated |
| 22:54.59 | Shadowed | 200 is in the queue too |
| 22:55.06 | Warloco | 199 aswell right? |
| 22:55.16 | Cloudwolf | 198 is the current las tperson to have a key |
| 22:55.33 | Cloudwolf | =>199 are still waiting |
| 22:55.35 | Cloudwolf | im at 240 |
| 22:55.36 | Warloco | but yeah, if I was #200 or @199 id be more frustrated, atleast with #203 I was pretty sure Iwasnt gonna be in that previous batch |
| 22:55.41 | Shadowed | 197 I think technically |
| 22:56.12 | Cloudwolf | hmm started witht he first person being 00000? |
| 22:56.34 | Warloco | "[Edit] First 50 keys have been assigned. Tracking numbers #000001 - #000050" |
| 22:57.22 | Cloudwolf | says 198 and then waiting for more form blizzard however i don't hand em out so i wouldn't know and i would probably already have one if i did :D |
| 23:01.34 | Mirrormn | haha |
| 23:01.44 | Mirrormn | "Quest Accepted: Take No Prisoners" |
| 23:01.54 | Mirrormn | "Quest Accepted: On Second Thought, Take One Prisoner" |
| 23:03.31 | Cloudwolf | quest location level faction? |
| 23:03.50 | Mirrormn | deepholme 82 horde |
| 23:04.30 | Cloudwolf | Ok random question but does any one know how the labels under users names work on the wowi forums? |
| 23:04.35 | Cloudwolf | is it just post count? |
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| 23:05.45 | AbsolutRayne | Does STUF not have a built in EXP Bar? |
| 23:09.16 | solocommand | do you have to do something fancy to detect BN events? |
| 23:09.32 | Mrruben5 | cloudwolf: yes |
| 23:09.46 | Cloudwolf | K was just curious :D |
| 23:10.17 | solocommand | i can catch player_entering_world, but not bn_friend_toon_online D: |
| 23:13.30 | Cide- | did this get linked btw? |
| 23:13.32 | Cide- | "However, we recognize that some players would prefer not to be displayed on friends lists in this fashion, so we plan to include an option that will allow players to opt out of appearing on their Real ID friends friends of friends lists." |
| 23:13.39 | Cide- | @ Antiarc |
| 23:14.01 | Kalroth | :o |
| 23:14.08 | Antiarc | I saw that a bit ago, yeah |
| 23:14.10 | nevcairiel | yes it did get linked earlier |
| 23:14.11 | Antiarc | Why @me? |
| 23:14.25 | Antiarc | (because of my concerns over the system, I suppose?) |
| 23:14.38 | Cide- | yep |
| 23:14.52 | Cide- | iirc you raised concerns over that part of the system |
| 23:14.53 | Antiarc | I'm -really- glad to see them doing that. I don't mind social systems at all as long as control exists with the user. |
| 23:15.08 | Antiarc | I don't remember doing so specifically, though others certainly have. |
| 23:15.16 | Antiarc | Either way, I'm glad to see them yielding more control to users. |
| 23:15.28 | Antiarc | (but now, for real, lunch) |
| 23:15.51 | Cide- | ah |
| 23:15.53 | Cide- | my bad then |
| 23:17.04 | Cide- | maybe it was tekkub |
| 23:17.10 | Cide- | or was that only the real name part |
| 23:17.25 | Antiarc | tekkub is concerned about the real name stuff because he doesn't use his real name anywhere |
| 23:17.48 | Cide- | ah yeah |
| 23:17.51 | Cide- | go eat lunch now nub |
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| 23:29.13 | Dashkal | Cide-: I linked that earlier |
| 23:29.18 | cog|away | FRIDAY |
| 23:29.48 | Cloudwolf | so cog you in beta? or you waiting like tons of other people? :D |
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| 23:29.57 | Morkesh | i might be missing something here, but what would the danger be of anyone having my real name? |
| 23:30.08 | Morkesh | like my mothers maiden name, it's one of those details i couldn't care less about |
| 23:30.10 | Gnarfoz | Cloudwolf: he's been in far longer afaik |
| 23:30.27 | Cloudwolf | Heh us or eu? sorry im curious on peoples impressions of beta |
| 23:30.31 | Cide- | Dashkal, cool |
| 23:30.35 | |Jelly| | He's one of those jerks in alpha. |
| 23:30.52 | Dashkal | I was happy about that line but complaining that it missed the other half: The ability to hide my own friends list. |
| 23:30.54 | Cloudwolf | heh lucky alpha jerk |
| 23:31.07 | Cloudwolf | >.> alpha jerk sounds like it could be the name of something |
| 23:31.34 | Morkesh | Dashkal: arh yeah, as far as i've understood you can snatch your friends, friends list now yeah? |
| 23:32.06 | Dashkal | Morkesh: Yep. Looking at any one of your friends, you can see (just the names of) all their friends. No status, mind you |
| 23:33.08 | Morkesh | arh :) |
| 23:33.33 | Dagmar | Soon you'll be given the option to automatically broadcast to all your friends "Hey! I just got a Battered Hilt and could really use some Primordial Saronite to help build my new weapon! Help me out!" |
| 23:33.49 | Morkesh | yeah just noticed :) oh well, so far my only complaint regarding real-id is the lack of an ability to exclude some characters from it, my bank character for example i'd like to keep hidden as to avoid rage |
| 23:34.17 | Morkesh | Dagmar: sounds very farmville like :P |
| 23:34.24 | Dagmar | Pretty much |
| 23:34.45 | Dashkal | hmm, good point. Being able to hide from it would be useful. But the're pretty dead-set on not letting you hide from friends. |
| 23:34.56 | Morkesh | only other thing that annoyed me about real-id was the unmoveable black popup but fixed that |
| 23:34.57 | Dashkal | Which is bloddy annoying |
| 23:35.00 | Mirrormn | I've never liked the idea of enabling the interface to allow you to lie to your friends |
| 23:35.26 | Morkesh | Mirrormn: it's not really to lie, it's to avoid the drama that could arise in heated AH battles |
| 23:35.37 | Dashkal | It's called, I just want to check on my actions and don't have time to field half a dozen instance invites, leveling help, etc requests |
| 23:35.39 | Morkesh | currently i'm having an undercut war with a former guildy |
| 23:35.50 | Mirrormn | but he's on your realid friend list? |
| 23:35.56 | Dagmar | So what you're saying is you're the jackass that's been sitting there all weekend jacking up the price of eternal fires |
| 23:36.22 | Morkesh | luckily not, and i've told my real-id friends who might have him on their friends list to keep it secret |
| 23:36.28 | Dashkal | "jackass"? *boggle* Sellers want the price to inflate. Buyers want it to fall. Where does jackass come in? |
| 23:36.48 | Morkesh | haha hardly Dagmar :P i'm the jackass who'll undercut your belt buckles by 1 copper the second you log off your banker |
| 23:36.56 | Dagmar | Dashkal: Well, at the moment there's a guy on Skywall that's literally been making 15m passes at the AH, and doubling the price of eternal fire |
| 23:37.46 | Dagmar | Morkesh: Good thing I don't sell belt buckles |
| 23:37.51 | Morkesh | a friend managed to bump the price for eternal shadow up to 30g some months back, kept it stable for a week only to end up with litteraly thousands of eternal shadow and a great loss because the price got bumped down by farmer bots |
| 23:37.52 | Dashkal | I'm an engineer. I should be on that server :P |
| 23:38.28 | Dagmar | Yeah ATM skywall seems pretty bot free |
| 23:38.35 | Morkesh | how much are fires on skywall? |
| 23:38.52 | Cloudwolf | I don't play the AH enough to pay attentoin to bots or no bots |
| 23:38.53 | Dagmar | Normally they ain't 34g a pop, I'll just leave it at that |
| 23:38.59 | Morkesh | haha :P |
| 23:39.07 | Morkesh | they'r stable around 30g on my realm :( |
| 23:39.10 | Morkesh | quel'thalas - EU |
| 23:39.23 | Dagmar | THey should stabilize around whatevre frozen orbs are selling for |
| 23:39.33 | Morkesh | hehe you'd think |
| 23:39.42 | Morkesh | i've made quite a few gold just buying orbs and trading them |
| 23:39.42 | Dashkal | sitting at 21 on maelstrom |
| 23:39.48 | Cloudwolf | http://notalwaysright.com/the-unfantastic-mr-fox/5565 |
| 23:39.50 | Cloudwolf | what the hell? |
| 23:39.54 | Dagmar | Normally I wouldn't care much, but in this case it means extra clicking require for making guns |
| 23:39.58 | Dashkal | primal fire is 34 |
| 23:40.02 | Dashkal | eternal, 21 |
| 23:40.42 | Dashkal | hmm *sells some of his stock* |
| 23:40.48 | Morkesh | hahaha Cloudwolf :P |
| 23:41.09 | Dagmar | Remeber they've got that new NPC that trades you frozen orbs for eternals (and some other stuff) |
| 23:41.35 | Morkesh | aye dagmar :) he's great for making money |
| 23:41.58 | Dagmar | I'd like to see auction-houses go cross-server |
| 23:42.07 | Morkesh | now if only i could figure out this addon stuff :/ |
| 23:42.20 | Dagmar | ...although what would be more amusing would be to see the reaction of their database administrators should they do that. |
| 23:42.27 | Morkesh | need an addon to snatch things at a certain price and they all seem broken or too heavy (auctioneer) |
| 23:42.40 | Morkesh | hahaha :D would be a mess really :s |
| 23:42.56 | Dagmar | You could probably disconnect the fiber and use it to burn your name in the wall at peak times |
| 23:42.58 | Morkesh | some of the sicker 2 million gold+ players would end up controlling the wow economy |
| 23:42.59 | Dashkal | Use auctioneer just on your auction alt? "Heavy" isn't exactly an issue for a character who lives in the city all day |
| 23:43.00 | Cloudwolf | OH god auctioneer would just explode... |
| 23:43.28 | Cloudwolf | Dashkal your assuming everyone has an auction alt |
| 23:43.38 | Morkesh | Dashkal: myeah :/ i could, but quick auctions 3 just does what i need so much better |
| 23:43.43 | Morkesh | without all the mess i don't use or need |
| 23:43.46 | Dashkal | Cloudwolf: The principal applies. Turn the damn thing off when not in use. |
| 23:44.00 | Cloudwolf | :P |
| 23:44.18 | Dashkal | I leave it on because I have ram to spare now and it's kinda nice always knowing what something is worth as I farm it |
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| 23:44.33 | Dashkal | It's not like it's sucking up CPU while I'm raiding |
| 23:45.05 | Cloudwolf | im just too lazy to not turn it off and on |
| 23:45.16 | Cloudwolf | i almsot never have a use the auction house routine |
| 23:45.36 | Dashkal | I have a bank alt, complete with guild bank. |
| 23:45.46 | Dashkal | Most things not soulbound end up on him |
| 23:45.58 | Cloudwolf | wonder how much you spend on mail :d |
| 23:46.05 | Morkesh | Dashkal: hehe, i've 3 of those now :( |
| 23:46.09 | Dashkal | at 30c a mail? Not much |
| 23:46.10 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: Auction alts mean never having to say to your group "One moment while I put all these damn greens and shards in the bank" |
| 23:46.25 | Morkesh | i abandon them whenever they get too bloat, send over all the actually worthfull stuff and start from scratch with a new gbank |
| 23:46.40 | Dashkal | Bonus: I'm an engineer. Farming... full bags? Portable mailbox :P |
| 23:46.47 | Dagmar | Damn skippy |
| 23:47.00 | Dagmar | SUmmonable mailboxes rock |
| 23:47.19 | Dashkal | And a bit of a routine with him. If its in his bags, it gets sold. Anything being stored gets put in the bank or gbank. |
| 23:47.30 | Dagmar | I'm half-tempted to see if it's possible to auto-mail all unbound greens to an alt automatically |
| 23:48.19 | Dagmar | It's liable to be pretty popular come Cata with everyone neck deep in weird green drops again |
| 23:48.42 | Morkesh | shouldn't be too hard i'd assume? |
| 23:48.50 | Morkesh | considering you've got addons to sell all grey items etc. |
| 23:48.53 | Dagmar | My main concern is whether or not it requires a hardware blessing |
| 23:49.12 | Cloudwolf | eternal fire 28 g eternal shadow 14g eternal water 1 to 2g earth 4g air 23g |
| 23:49.18 | foxlit | A "click here to do it" wouldn't kill it |
| 23:49.36 | foxlit | Though "click here 42 times" might |
| 23:49.37 | Dagmar | That's true, although I'd like it to be as automatic as dumping greys on the repair vendor |
| 23:49.43 | foxlit | But why, though? |
| 23:49.59 | foxlit | The only reasonable thing to do with them will be disenchanting |
| 23:50.12 | Dagmar | You like reasonable, I like profitable |
| 23:50.24 | foxlit | Who'd buy greens? :) |
| 23:50.26 | Dagmar | Especially during leveling times, greens actually sell when they're not _stupid_ greens |
| 23:50.39 | Dagmar | ...and they tend to sell to newb enchanters who want to de them |
| 23:50.47 | Cloudwolf | leveling times, leveling enchanting, mats etc |
| 23:51.01 | Dagmar | [Narwhal Breastplate of Spirit] <-- DE fodder |
| 23:51.05 | foxlit | Wouldn't buy levelling gear on AH :/ |
| 23:51.21 | Dagmar | [Shiny Cufflinks of the Sorceror] <-- warlock/mage written all over them |
| 23:51.24 | foxlit | What would be the point; it'll get replaced by a quest item in the next 3 hubs |
| 23:51.53 | Dagmar | foxlit: Loot modifier. It was worth 8g to a vendor, but 15g to a player |
| 23:52.11 | Dagmar | I pester trainers less often while leveling than I do the AH |
| 23:52.17 | Dagmar | ...cuz getting killed sucks |
| 23:52.24 | Mirrormn | early beta questing gear seems about on par with t9 or t10 10man |
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| 23:53.29 | Dagmar | foxlit: So long as ya dump the crazy ones or de them yourself, the rest can acutally add up without a whole lot of extra effort |
| 23:53.50 | foxlit | Still find it weird that anyone would buy them :) |
| 23:54.07 | Dashkal | Lots of newbies or impatient types |
| 23:54.13 | Dagmar | 'cuz getting killed sucks, and the easiest way to do that is take a swipe at the AH every level or two |
| 23:54.30 | Dashkal | Leveling 1-60, I kept green pieces on me for zones. Simply because no quest rewards replaced those slots. |
| 23:54.35 | Dagmar | You maybe spend an hour's worth of quest money, and walk away with 2-3 more pieces at your exact level |
| 23:55.05 | Dashkal | Hopefully a situation that will change, but one we're stuck with for now |
| 23:55.32 | Dagmar | Yeah wrath rewards were kinda weak in that respect |
| 23:56.02 | Dagmar | I kept expecting an NPC to get upset about me de'ing the reward right in front of him |
| 23:56.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Y7MZV_bD0&feature=player_embedded |
| 23:56.33 | Dagmar | "But... but... my mom made that and then she was eaten by a felboar!" |
| 23:57.42 | Morkesh | haha ScytheBlade1 :D good one |
| 23:57.48 | ScytheBlade1 | SO PERFECT. |
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