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| 00:00.56 | Kraps | we've passed 500 pages |
| 00:01.10 | Kraps | 10k posts |
| 00:01.42 | Cloudwolf | lol link to the thread again? |
| 00:01.42 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how many unique posters that is. |
| 00:01.55 | NeoTron | it's really a horribly bad idea |
| 00:02.30 | Gnarfoz | even if it was 10k, to blizzard that looks like 0.001% of their player base is complaining, hehe |
| 00:02.54 | Kraps | poor Grimiku, having to lock all the new threads all day |
| 00:02.54 | Arrowmaster | not really though |
| 00:03.06 | Kraps | he needs a raise imo |
| 00:03.07 | Arrowmaster | since only half of the player base is US/EU |
| 00:03.15 | Kraps | Cloudwolf: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
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| 00:03.24 | Arrowmaster | which are really the only ones they can effect i bet |
| 00:03.30 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: affect |
| 00:03.32 | Jerub | i giggle so much at this QQ |
| 00:03.43 | Kraps | EU forums are much quieter |
| 00:03.57 | Gnarfoz | and... US thread, so indeed only US subscriber numbers should be taken into account |
| 00:04.10 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: and Fisker could tell you why |
| 00:04.17 | Kraps | why? |
| 00:04.29 | Arrowmaster | US subscribers are like the smallest arent they? |
| 00:04.31 | Kraps | its the middle of the night? |
| 00:04.34 | Gnarfoz | because Blizz doesn't care about eu, etc etc |
| 00:04.36 | NeoTron | you can't compare with number of subscribers.. just compare with number of people on the forums |
| 00:04.40 | Kraps | lol |
| 00:05.22 | Cloudwolf | lol post 10088 "Hopefully Blizz will implement Farmville in an upcoming patch. " |
| 00:05.23 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: probably still bigger than EU, that's a total guess, though. |
| 00:05.56 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: that was the point, of course you shouldn't compare that to number of subscribers; but if they do... |
| 00:05.59 | Wobin | does that mean blue posters will use their real names? =P |
| 00:06.06 | kd3 | yes |
| 00:06.25 | kd3 | micah already posted his and all kinds of threads have already been deleted from the forums because of the info they've turned up |
| 00:06.38 | Kraps | http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function Wobin |
| 00:07.11 | Gnarfoz | kd3: the latter is a shame |
| 00:07.53 | Kraps | "People should leave Bashiok alone...its not the fault of the blues that this is happening. Whoever had the brilliant idea to implement RealID forums...just look at how much harassment Bashiok has gotten... He had to lock down his Facebook for goodness sake. I think blues are some of the biggest victims...they are required to post and are more recognizable than other posters |
| 00:07.57 | Kraps | wow |
| 00:08.03 | Kraps | gg blizz |
| 00:08.17 | Gnarfoz | make an example of him, I say |
| 00:08.30 | Gnarfoz | only way they're going to learn~ |
| 00:08.37 | Kraps | sounds like they are |
| 00:08.52 | Arrowmaster | he locked down his facebook? quick go harass him on linkedin |
| 00:09.44 | Gnarfoz | sounds more like blizz is trying to keep it under the rug, if what kd3 says is right and the people who dug up more info were stupid enough to post it on the official forums instead of on a separate page, like that gameriot link |
| 00:10.16 | Wobin | visualises a youtube video with a man under a blanket crying "LEAVE BASHIOK ALONE!!" |
| 00:10.39 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: locking down his facebook account... the horror!! |
| 00:10.43 | Corrodias | eww, he likes that tim and eric show? |
| 00:11.48 | Jerub | brb, finding blanket. |
| 00:13.03 | NeoTron | heh me and Micah have a shared facebook friend |
| 00:13.21 | Wobin | NeoTron: creepy |
| 00:13.38 | NeoTron | my friend works at Blizzard so not entirely weird though |
| 00:14.39 | Gnarfoz | can you send friend-of-friend add requests from addons? probably yes? |
| 00:14.59 | NeoTron | that'd be weir |
| 00:15.08 | NeoTron | the whole friend of friend "Add me" feature is odd too |
| 00:15.17 | NeoTron | it removes the requirement of "me" to know who "you" are |
| 00:15.45 | Gnarfoz | obviously, FoF is what's keeping me from using RealID at all |
| 00:16.13 | Gnarfoz | anyway, time to write a brute force traversal addon |
| 00:16.49 | Gnarfoz | enough people are going to be dumb enough to accept a FoF request |
| 00:16.59 | Legorol|alt | NeoTron: i haven't used realid, can you expand on that? |
| 00:17.04 | Arrowmaster | is there a limit on the number of friends? |
| 00:17.12 | Legorol|alt | can you add someone to your real id friend list without authorization, via the friend-of-friend thing? |
| 00:17.14 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: there was before, not sure if there is now |
| 00:17.30 | Gnarfoz | Legorol|alt: "request" implies authorization |
| 00:17.31 | Legorol|alt | i thought the other party still has to authorize you |
| 00:17.41 | Arrowmaster | Legorol|alt: i think he means you dont need to know their email to send a friend request |
| 00:17.48 | Legorol|alt | right |
| 00:17.53 | Gnarfoz | or to clarify further: know *THEM* |
| 00:17.54 | fiphi | Arrowmaster: That's correct. |
| 00:18.04 | Legorol|alt | well Gnarfoz, that part is the same as facebook |
| 00:18.06 | NeoTron | right. I don't need to know them to request friendship |
| 00:18.07 | Gnarfoz | Since realId is for people you actually know. and for forums. ;p |
| 00:18.07 | fiphi | I was able to add my friend's bf without knowing his e-mail. |
| 00:18.25 | Gnarfoz | Legorol|alt: that's an argument how? ;p |
| 00:18.27 | Xyphoid | on the bright side the response to adding an email address is the same whether it's a real ident or not |
| 00:18.32 | NeoTron | the problem is, I think many people want to add people as real friends since global username between games especially is nice |
| 00:18.38 | NeoTron | but don't want to share their life details with them |
| 00:18.41 | NeoTron | since it's NOT facebook |
| 00:18.56 | Corrodias | i suggest using Steam for it, and ignoring blizzard's shit |
| 00:19.25 | Arrowmaster | so making an addon that just friend requests every friend of friend you could eventually break the entire system by having yourself showup on almost everybodys friend of friend, and those that do accept you would have their friend of friends filled with way too many people to actually use it |
| 00:19.46 | Wobin | You can send the request |
| 00:19.51 | Wobin | they can ignore/block said request |
| 00:19.58 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: nice side effect, let's do it |
| 00:20.07 | Gnarfoz | cackles |
| 00:20.17 | Arrowmaster | right but if they ignore/block it but a friend of theirs doesnt, you still get to see their every move |
| 00:20.36 | Wobin | does FoF show status? |
| 00:20.39 | Gnarfoz | you only see FoF's names |
| 00:20.39 | Wobin | I don't think it does? |
| 00:20.41 | Gnarfoz | not status |
| 00:20.53 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 00:21.10 | Wobin | And unless you're a direct friend, you don't see what toons are linked to what name |
| 00:21.10 | Gnarfoz | at least that's what I recall, I have exactly 1 realid contact, and I plan on removing him as soon as my realm is back up |
| 00:21.30 | NeoTron | it shows names and whether it's a shared friend |
| 00:21.48 | NeoTron | If you think about it though, the dumbest thing with this entire solution is that REAL NAMES ARE NOT UNIQUE |
| 00:21.50 | Arrowmaster | shared friend? |
| 00:22.06 | NeoTron | for the majority of people, names are not a uniquely identifiable string |
| 00:22.19 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: if you and your real friend both share a real friend |
| 00:22.35 | Arrowmaster | should create a bnet account and see if you can put the unicode rtl override character in it |
| 00:23.28 | Gnarfoz | NeoTron: I want a friends list full of John Smiths |
| 00:23.31 | fiphi | The only thing I see about my friend's friends is the name. Not status, toons or anything else. |
| 00:23.42 | Arrowmaster | this is going to be great when the complaints that people cant input their correct names start coming in if blizzard is making silly assumptions about names which im guessing they are |
| 00:23.48 | fiphi | I can send requests to them, but they can, as said, decline those. |
| 00:24.13 | Gnarfoz | hence, the brute-force approach: send requests to all of them |
| 00:24.34 | Gnarfoz | go from there until you find Micah whatshisface |
| 00:25.25 | Xyphoid | did we determine if you can make realid friend requests from the API? |
| 00:25.28 | Lopeppeppy | tekkub, you scruffy nerf herder, you awake? |
| 00:25.44 | Wobin | ... Tekkub with the Force. What a scary image =P |
| 00:26.12 | Gnarfoz | Xyphoid: we didn't |
| 00:26.14 | Shadowed | run tekkub |
| 00:26.15 | Shadowed | run |
| 00:26.21 | Gnarfoz | 'twas my initial question |
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| 00:28.44 | Jerub | without being an elisist fucktard, what's a lower bound on the hp required for tanking toc10 do you think? |
| 00:29.22 | Gnarfoz | 1? |
| 00:29.43 | Gnarfoz | oh wait, that's below base hp, my bad |
| 00:29.56 | Gnarfoz | wanders off to bed |
| 00:30.21 | Wobin | toc10? |
| 00:30.22 | Wobin | hm |
| 00:30.31 | Wobin | toc10 isn't easy |
| 00:33.36 | Wobin | I'm not sure about a lower bound |
| 00:33.45 | Wobin | because the faction champs make hp irrelevant =P |
| 00:34.44 | Jerub | Wobin: uh, but there must be a lower bound because of the other fights |
| 00:34.51 | Jerub | you know, to stop getting one-hit |
| 00:36.17 | Jerub | so, along with this realid stuff, i need to change my name. |
| 00:36.33 | Jerub | there are forms for it on blizzard.com, i just need to forge identity documents that they'll accept. |
| 00:39.02 | Cloudwolf | lol |
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| 00:40.18 | Arrowmaster | should just call blizzard and tell them you need to change the name on your account but there is no paper trail that you have legally changed your name because you are in witness protection |
| 00:42.09 | Gnarfoz | they're going to deny it. |
| 00:42.38 | Wobin | "No really, my legal name now is Heywood Jablowme!" |
| 00:42.48 | Gnarfoz | and of course there's a paper trail, it just wouldn't make sense for you to have access to it ;p |
| 00:43.48 | Arrowmaster | nobody would have access to it |
| 00:43.49 | Jerub | in australia, it's perfectly legal to claim your name is whatever you want, provided it's not for the purposes of fraud. |
| 00:43.56 | Jerub | there's no such thing as 'legal name' here. |
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| 00:44.08 | Jerub | just illegal name i guess :P |
| 00:45.24 | Gnarfoz | I doubt it's illegal to do it in the US, but this is pure speculation |
| 00:45.55 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: in the US you have the concept of a legal name. to substitute a different name for you legal name isn't the done thing. |
| 00:46.19 | Gnarfoz | "going by a name" is not == using something that is not your legal name as your legal name, is it? |
| 00:46.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oh well, since you're asleep tekkub, ask me or maybe Seerah what I was lookin' for you about, when you wake up. :) |
| 00:46.44 | Jerub | Gnarfoz: blizz requires your legal name in their forms. |
| 00:46.54 | Gnarfoz | they can require much |
| 00:47.33 | Gnarfoz | blizzard doesn't make laws, yet |
| 00:47.42 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: now I'm curious =P |
| 00:47.47 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: im not really sure thats true, i can get whatever i want put as my name on my checks for example |
| 00:48.04 | |Jelly| | tackle-hugs Peppy! |
| 00:48.13 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Jelly-dear. |
| 00:48.21 | Arrowmaster | or atleast variations of the name, it doesnt have to be the full name on my birth certificate |
| 00:48.25 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, I can hamstring a gopher at 30 paces. |
| 00:48.39 | Gnarfoz | gopher://? |
| 00:48.43 | Wobin | hides behind the death star |
| 00:49.45 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: i can be joe smith, including all my identity documents and bank accounts, with little more than claiming that that's my name. i can even get my birth certificate reprinted with that name. |
| 00:50.49 | Dagmar | Jerub: Actually in the US the rules about names are pretty much the same as what you cited. |
| 00:50.52 | Gnarfoz | kind of defeats the point of a birth certificate |
| 00:51.18 | Dagmar | Jerub: With the exception of fraud/wanted_status, you can change your name at any time |
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| 00:52.15 | Gnarfoz | and Jerub was saying he doesn't need to change his name to start using another one |
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| 00:53.16 | Legorol|alt | "i just came out of a coma, and don't remember my family.. they haven't found me when i was in coma" |
| 00:53.34 | Wobin | "I do remember playing WoW though, and all my account details!" |
| 00:53.37 | Legorol|alt | having said that, with biometric databases all over the place nowadays, this won't fly anymore |
| 00:53.43 | Legorol|alt | of course, Wobin |
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| 00:56.17 | Kraps | back, any news |
| 00:56.19 | Kraps | ? |
| 00:57.30 | Kraps | like, did management get their sanity back yet? |
| 00:57.46 | Dagmar | Kraps: It's 9:57pm there. Not likely anything will happen until at least 11am tomorrow |
| 00:58.44 | Kraps | hope bashioks mom sleeps ok |
| 00:58.56 | Dagmar | If she turns off the phone, sure |
| 00:59.07 | Dagmar | Plus, there's no real malice here. People might be making token phone calls but that's about it |
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| 00:59.37 | Kraps | theres always that one guy... |
| 01:00.47 | Jerub | i run a large irc channel. i always run the risk of bullshit happening that causes me grief irl. fortunately it hasn't blown up yet. |
| 01:00.59 | Lopeppeppy | It only takes one person to make a big huge damn stinking mess. |
| 01:01.46 | Dagmar | Jerub: Ah, another reason why you're in the "privacy is needed" camp |
| 01:01.48 | Jerub | yeah, and that nearly happened a few weeks ago. we talked him down, fortunatel.y |
| 01:02.34 | Jerub | http://www.oddee.com/item_97118.aspx |
| 01:03.04 | Kraps | i still cant believe this is happening, this stuff happens to IW, not blizz :( |
| 01:03.11 | Jerub | IW? |
| 01:03.27 | Kraps | Infinity Ward |
| 01:04.32 | Kraps | the guys who also brute-force messed with a working system |
| 01:04.54 | Kraps | many of the lost their jobs |
| 01:05.18 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 01:05.33 | Jerub | Kraps: i have no idea who they are or what happened? |
| 01:05.35 | Arrowmaster | did i miss something recent with the IW fiasco? |
| 01:05.45 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: no |
| 01:05.46 | Legorol|alt | do tell/link |
| 01:05.56 | Kraps | but that did happen |
| 01:06.09 | Kraps | the thing with COD! |
| 01:06.16 | Arrowmaster | activision fired them so they wouldnt have to pay their bonuses |
| 01:06.45 | Kraps | why? |
| 01:06.49 | Dagmar | That should be lawsuit territory |
| 01:06.53 | Kraps | no money? |
| 01:06.57 | Arrowmaster | they did file a lawsuit |
| 01:07.00 | Dagmar | ...not to mention worth flaming bags of poo |
| 01:07.12 | Jerub | i have no idea what happened iwth COW |
| 01:07.15 | Jerub | er COD |
| 01:07.21 | Jerub | can someone give me a two line summary? |
| 01:07.35 | Arrowmaster | impossible in two lines |
| 01:07.46 | Dagmar | One line covered it fine. |
| 01:08.45 | Kraps | Jerub: http://kotaku.com/5483492/scandal-hits-call-of-duty-devs-what-we-know-%5Bupdate%5D |
| 01:11.14 | Slaren | how bad would be creating one frame per line to make arbitrary shaped unit frames? |
| 01:12.50 | Arrowmaster | bad |
| 01:13.05 | Arrowmaster | since you cant do pixel perfect in wow |
| 01:13.47 | Jerub | Kraps: there's no date on that article. when was it posted? |
| 01:13.56 | Jerub | oh right, mar 2. |
| 01:14.04 | Kraps | wtf is up with the "lol phonebook" people? |
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| 01:16.28 | Slaren | Arrowmaster so it may not look exactly the way i want, but would still work? |
| 01:16.28 | Arrowmaster | i still wouldnt recommend it |
| 01:16.45 | Slaren | is there any other way to do it? :( |
| 01:16.54 | Slaren | i want to try to make hexagonal raid frames |
| 01:17.06 | Slaren | not sure how useful it would be, but seems worth a try |
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| 01:17.38 | Jerub | i still want to find that grid variant that showed who is healing who |
| 01:17.53 | Slaren | gridstatustth |
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| 01:18.48 | Slaren | not exactly that, but it can tell you who is casting the heal |
| 01:19.09 | Jerub | Slaren: ooh, interesting |
| 01:19.23 | Jerub | i'm currently using oUF_freebgrid. what do i have to install to get this? |
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| 01:19.33 | Lopeppeppy | LolCat Bible! |
| 01:19.33 | Jerub | i assume i'll have to dump that and use grid instead. |
| 01:19.47 | Slaren | yes, it is a status for grid |
| 01:20.10 | Slaren | just assign it to a text indicator and it will show you the time and caster of the next heal |
| 01:20.22 | Kraps | eh canadians! is realid illegal in canada? |
| 01:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh! Move to Canada! |
| 01:21.06 | Lopeppeppy | moves in with the Canadian Crowd! |
| 01:23.57 | |Jelly| | hides behind Peppy's Dinopeppy! |
| 01:24.16 | Jerub | Slaren: thanks, i'll give that a go. |
| 01:27.12 | kd3 | new goodies on my maps comparison page: flight paths! |
| 01:27.21 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree/Cata_maps_compared#Continents_and_flights |
| 01:27.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, pretty kd3! |
| 01:28.44 | Kraps | blunt |
| 01:28.47 | Kraps | "I have a 1 of a kind last name, and I'm female , you will now be able to find me on facebook, come to my house and do whatever you want to me , thank you blizzard, now I need to go buy a gun. " |
| 01:29.53 | Kraps | she linked http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7771505/Video-game-fanatic-hunts-down-and-stabs-rival-player-who-killed-character-online.html |
| 01:30.33 | tekkub | yea I'm glad I never really used the forums anyway |
| 01:30.43 | |Jelly| | I'm glad that I don't anymore. lol |
| 01:30.53 | tekkub | seriosuly though, if it's a retroactive change, that's gonna be very very bad |
| 01:31.00 | kd3 | not retroactive |
| 01:31.05 | tekkub | okey good |
| 01:31.06 | |Jelly| | I was just about to say that, lol. |
| 01:31.08 | kd3 | new forums tech; stuff's not getting transferred over |
| 01:31.14 | kd3 | much like the old->current forums switch |
| 01:31.15 | |Jelly| | Get out of my head, tekkub! I HAS NO BACON! |
| 01:31.34 | Kraps | lol http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25626289874/number-of-grimiku-posts/ |
| 01:31.43 | tekkub | I still fail to understand the whole "real names" shit with wow |
| 01:31.51 | |Jelly| | ^ |
| 01:31.53 | tekkub | the whole point of the game is *fantasy* |
| 01:32.01 | Kraps | omg social! |
| 01:32.20 | |Jelly| | I'm all about cross-realm conversation, etc but really ... |
| 01:32.32 | Kraps | we're all gonna be fwiends! |
| 01:33.06 | tekkub | that's what usernames are for in the first place |
| 01:33.13 | |Jelly| | Yup |
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| 01:33.35 | Kraps | "With the launch of the new Battle.net, itâs important to us to create a new and different kind of online gaming environment -- one thatâs highly social, and which provides an ideal place for gamers to form long-lasting, meaningful relationships. All of our design decisions surrounding Real ID -- including these forum changes -- have been made with this goal in mind. " |
| 01:33.46 | |Jelly| | "I can't wait to own someone in game and then go to their facebook and write on their wall telling them how much I owned them!! " <---- |
| 01:33.59 | tekkub | if I *wanted* to use my real name I'd be lame like the person next to me and have a username like "treyhart" |
| 01:34.05 | Kraps | yes, i play games so i can "form long-lasting, meaningful relationships" |
| 01:34.16 | Dagmar | Kraps: Yeah that sort of verbiage tells me the author can't have been on the internet for more than 3-4 years tops |
| 01:34.28 | |Jelly| | I honestly think it's funny that they're changing the forums to break current forum policies. |
| 01:34.30 | tekkub | fuck that! I *have* long lasting relationship thanks to games |
| 01:34.34 | Kraps | Dagmar: its not Neths fault |
| 01:34.38 | tekkub | I still talk to poeple I played FFXI with |
| 01:34.47 | Dagmar | Kraps: I didn't say he wrote it |
| 01:34.54 | tekkub | and I *don't* know nor care what their real names are |
| 01:35.02 | Kraps | tekkub: but you werent forced into it right? |
| 01:35.06 | tekkub | nope |
| 01:35.11 | Kraps | Dagmar: its a she :p |
| 01:35.19 | tekkub | and it's only a tiny handful of the people I played with |
| 01:35.39 | tekkub | I don't need nor want "long lasting relationships" with tons of people I play with |
| 01:35.46 | tekkub | just like "real" life |
| 01:36.03 | |Jelly| | That's why I like LFD so much -- I don't have to be BFFs with these people. |
| 01:36.11 | tekkub | I know lots of people, but only a select few are really friends |
| 01:36.32 | Jerub | i have a friendly guild. |
| 01:36.44 | Wobin | my guild all work together irl |
| 01:36.53 | Wobin | (except me and a couple others) |
| 01:37.05 | Jerub | i have 4 people on my realid list. 2 of whom is in my guild, 1 of those 2 is my wife, and the other is /really/ hot. |
| 01:37.15 | |Jelly| | rofl |
| 01:37.23 | Jerub | the other 2 are on a different server entirely. |
| 01:37.36 | tekkub | I have my GM, less because I need to talk to her but more because she has like 10 alts |
| 01:37.42 | tekkub | and it's a bitch to track what's what |
| 01:37.53 | Jerub | our GM has that too. |
| 01:38.01 | Wobin | I agree, with an alt heavy guild, realid is nice |
| 01:38.01 | tekkub | which, in my view, is exactly what the new system should be about |
| 01:38.02 | Jerub | fortunately he uses consistent names and they're all 80 |
| 01:38.20 | tekkub | my names are *kinda* consistant |
| 01:38.31 | tekkub | they're always something ursine or beard-ey |
| 01:38.32 | Wobin | I had that consistancy on my old server. Anything that logged in with the name "Snuu*" was me |
| 01:39.00 | Xyphoid | i'd love to use realID to keep track of alts |
| 01:39.07 | Lopeppeppy | Why hello there, tekkub. did you miss me? |
| 01:39.18 | Wobin | Xyphoid: what -do- you use it for? =P |
| 01:39.25 | Wobin | if not that |
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| 01:39.27 | Jerub | Wobin: as in snuu snuu? |
| 01:39.28 | Xyphoid | that's the worst bit of all this, these features could have been awesome |
| 01:39.32 | |Jelly| | I missed knowing his first and last name! Oh wait. |
| 01:39.40 | Xyphoid | Wobin: i don't because of the real name thing |
| 01:39.42 | Wobin | Jerub: my deathknight |
| 01:39.59 | Jerub | Wobin: i mean, as in, futurama, death by snuu snuu |
| 01:40.10 | Wobin | Jerub: exactly. Death Knight Snuusnu |
| 01:40.18 | |Jelly| | Xyphoid: Sure, if they'd allow you opt-out entirely as well as have some sort of privacy setting to show certain people certain information and let others think my RL name is Jelly. |
| 01:40.22 | Xyphoid | cross server chat, opt-in alt tracking, persistant forum IDs to avoid trolling |
| 01:40.34 | Jerub | Wobin: oh go :( |
| 01:40.36 | Jerub | er god :( |
| 01:40.41 | Xyphoid | each of these is a cool feature, but each has been attached to an unpleasant rider |
| 01:40.41 | Wobin | Snuupy, my shaman, Snuufur my druid, Snuustome my hunter, Snuuker my warlock... |
| 01:40.45 | Dagmar | Complimentary pizzas delivered to your door ten times an hour |
| 01:40.55 | Dagmar | Complimentary welfare checks from the cops during a raid |
| 01:40.57 | Jerub | Wobin: how much did it cost to transfer all those toons? |
| 01:41.06 | kd3 | I feel really bad for the micah they dug up on the forums |
| 01:41.12 | kd3 | that guy's life is all kinds of hosed atm |
| 01:41.19 | Dagmar | Complimentary goat porn on the internet, customised with your real name |
| 01:41.23 | Wobin | well, none for the DK, but I transferred the druid, shaman and warlock |
| 01:41.28 | cog|away | Shirik: don't you agree? |
| 01:41.31 | Wobin | and hunter I just levelled |
| 01:41.33 | Dagmar | kd3: No. Right now he's only in minor discomfort. |
| 01:41.36 | |Jelly| | Was that the blue Peppy told me about? (I'm somewhat new to the conversation) |
| 01:41.42 | Dagmar | Imagine if people were ACTUALLY pissed at him, |
| 01:41.46 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:41.50 | cogwheel | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3190923/code-helper-for-c-programming/3190932#3190932 |
| 01:41.59 | |Jelly| | hugs Shirik! He'll protect my identity! |
| 01:42.08 | Dagmar | There's be things getting delivered to his address right now, not to mention the number of programs his phone would be getting subscribed to |
| 01:42.20 | Lopeppeppy | Jelly, yes. |
| 01:42.36 | Kraps | is complaining to the ESRB really gonna help? |
| 01:42.45 | kd3 | about as much as complaining to the bbb does |
| 01:42.55 | Kraps | which is... |
| 01:43.01 | kd3 | jack crap |
| 01:43.05 | Dagmar | There's a number of bad actor companies you can find out about on the 'net that "slam" people's phones with a subscription to something or other without confirumation |
| 01:43.06 | Lopeppeppy | showers tekkub with Hershey Kisses. |
| 01:43.23 | Dagmar | All you have to tell them is "someone's" name and phone number, and the name isn't really all that necessary |
| 01:43.30 | tekkub | eew |
| 01:43.42 | cogwheel | gives tekkub chocolate covered bacon |
| 01:43.44 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Um. Sub in your thank-you gift of choice. |
| 01:43.53 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 01:44.05 | cogwheel | WHAT ARE U GOING 2 DO NAO?! |
| 01:44.17 | tekkub | nope, didn't work, cog's still talking |
| 01:44.26 | cogwheel | lulz |
| 01:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Sorry. I'll fly right out there with the dental floss. |
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| 01:48.39 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel: wsnt it tekkub? |
| 01:49.26 | Kraps | how legit are the "activision is running blizz now" claims? |
| 01:49.50 | Thunder_Child | if activision is smart....not at all |
| 01:50.01 | Thunder_Child | though wow on steam would be nice |
| 01:50.30 | Antiarc | So, heh |
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| 01:50.42 | Antiarc | After Bashiok posted his real name and got tracked down, he locked his Facebook down -real- fast. |
| 01:51.05 | kd3 | though the person people are pointing to as "him" lives in san fran, not near blizz's offices |
| 01:51.12 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: yeah i think so |
| 01:51.23 | Antiarc | But he's still reacting by going into lockdown mode. |
| 01:51.31 | Antiarc | That says that it got to him on some level. |
| 01:51.31 | Wobin | Antiarc: One does not tempt the Internet like that |
| 01:51.31 | |Jelly| | Well, as bad as it is for him, maybe that's what they needed to open their eyes. [As if it wasn't obvious that it could happen] |
| 01:51.42 | Antiarc | Wobin: That's the whole damn point of this RealID outrage. |
| 01:51.52 | Antiarc | It's a Horrible Freakin' Idea. |
| 01:52.00 | Antiarc | BUT TEH SOCIAL NETWORKZ |
| 01:52.08 | Antiarc | FACEBUX IS TEH FUTURZ |
| 01:52.15 | Lopeppeppy | Eat my shorts. |
| 01:52.52 | |Jelly| | In other news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9T_vuLHO8A |
| 01:53.58 | cogwheel | amro: "Are there any plugins for visual studio[...]" |
| 01:54.00 | Kraps | kd3: could be he uses his moms house for mail or whatever |
| 01:54.11 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 01:54.32 | amro | I need sleep >< |
| 01:54.51 | amro | deleted |
| 01:55.10 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, bacon jam. http://www.yumsugar.com/Bacon-Jam-Recipe-6599476 |
| 01:55.37 | amro | actually |
| 01:55.38 | amro | I don't |
| 01:55.53 | amro | cogwheel: "[...]or any other ide[...]" |
| 01:55.54 | amro | ! |
| 01:56.05 | cogwheel | d'oh |
| 01:56.17 | cogwheel | i need caffeine |
| 01:56.31 | amro | I really do need sleep though, it's 3am. night everyone |
| 01:56.49 | |Jelly| | Night |
| 02:02.33 | Dagmar | Antiarc: It *should* get to him on some level. It's actually a fairly serious issue and it'll happen more often if they make this change to the forums |
| 02:03.04 | Dagmar | The "social network" doesn't need people's fucking real names. It needs a persistent ID and not the haphazard near infinite anonymity the current forum system has |
| 02:03.20 | Lopeppeppy | I don't wish it on anyone... but perhaps it's something to learn from now that it happened. |
| 02:04.00 | Dagmar | Give the mods the power to fucking ban people repeatedly and possibly permanently for trolling instead of being requried to act like every user is mommy's special little flower, and stuff will happen |
| 02:04.07 | Dagmar | Troll once, month-long ban. |
| 02:04.19 | Dagmar | Troll twice, get it again. |
| 02:04.25 | Dagmar | Troll a third time, permanent ban from forums. |
| 02:04.49 | Dagmar | No more "you probably don't care but you were banned from posting on the forums for about three hours last night" nonsense |
| 02:08.36 | Kraps | 600 pages |
| 02:08.52 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Just be glad no one's really mad at them personally |
| 02:09.36 | Dagmar | Hopefully no pointy-haired boss will decide that since nothing serious happened to him, that nothing serious will happen to anyone else in the future |
| 02:10.24 | Nechckn | Just lookout when your boss looks up your FB id and wonders why you are posting on some Blizz forum during working hours. |
| 02:10.45 | Nechckn | tosses fuel on the "possible issues" pire o' hate! |
| 02:10.54 | Dagmar | I don't worry about that, my boss used to play _at work_. |
| 02:11.27 | Dagmar | However, on the general principle of "this s**t is mine, your s**t is yours" I refrain from posting long, detailed screeds while at work |
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| 02:12.34 | bediko | does someone know if there is an event fired when i leave the raid ? |
| 02:14.35 | Jamash | undoubtedly |
| 02:14.55 | Jamash | PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED looks like the right one |
| 02:19.05 | bediko | thank you : |
| 02:19.08 | bediko | :) |
| 02:21.44 | Jamash | you're welcome |
| 02:26.31 | Dagmar | Well, I guess the blogosphereotrons will be busy, busy, busy this week |
| 02:26.44 | Jamash | about realid? |
| 02:26.51 | Dagmar | Oh god yes |
| 02:26.56 | Jamash | 600 pages |
| 02:27.04 | Dagmar | There are so many things wrong with what they decided to do |
| 02:27.10 | Dagmar | ...and the player reaction is epic |
| 02:27.41 | Dagmar | This *way* beats any of the backlash from RealID just using real names to your actual, in real life friends |
| 02:28.24 | Xyphoid | yeah, realid was just disappointing |
| 02:31.27 | Dagmar | Jesus I can't even read a page without there being another generated by the time I reach the bottom |
| 02:32.11 | Kraps | i think its slowed down |
| 02:33.24 | Dagmar | fuuu-uuuu- |
| 02:33.38 | Dagmar | I forgot you can't log into battle.net account management without the authenticator I left on my desk at home |
| 02:34.54 | Kraps | oh Frejya is not happy |
| 02:35.08 | kd3 | don't think any of the mvps are atm |
| 02:35.14 | Kraps | wtb more mvps posting |
| 02:38.33 | Dagmar | Good luck with that |
| 02:39.27 | Dagmar | Most of them are proably waiting until ActiBlizz's management responsible for this come back to the offices in the morning to find out just how this is turning out |
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| 02:41.33 | Kraps | GC was chilling on the tank forums earlier |
| 02:41.39 | clever | how would i dump a LUA table from a macro (/script) |
| 02:41.54 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.16 | clever | ah |
| 02:42.39 | clever | it seems it skipped 600 items |
| 02:42.50 | clever | kd3: i'm trying to see if i completed a certain quest |
| 02:42.51 | Thunder_Child | I pitty da foo who dont /dump |
| 02:43.02 | Jamash | it's designed to not flood your client and lock it up |
| 02:43.09 | clever | yeah |
| 02:43.18 | Jamash | there's an addon called loremaster I believe |
| 02:43.20 | clever | i'm manualy calling QueryQuestsCompletededit and GetQuestsCompleted() to try and peek at the data |
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| 02:43.22 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: what did bar say? SHUT UP FOO |
| 02:43.31 | clever | didnt want to bother with a full addon and restart |
| 02:43.50 | Jamash | do you know the quest ID? |
| 02:44.07 | clever | Jamash: yeah i pulled it off wowhead.com |
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| 02:46.34 | clever | is the argument to GetQuestsCompleted supposed to be the quest i want or does it always blindly return everything? |
| 02:46.44 | Jamash | I think it always returns everything |
| 02:46.54 | kd3 | it returns everything. save it to a table and screw around with the table |
| 02:46.58 | clever | ok, so i need to pick one quest out of the heap |
| 02:47.06 | clever | x[12325] ? |
| 02:51.16 | clever | kd3: would that work? |
| 02:52.16 | clever | yeah it seems to work |
| 02:57.16 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/BlizzardPR/status/17911573236 |
| 02:57.53 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/BlizzardPR/status/17901598898 |
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| 02:58.34 | kd3 | was wondering how long that was going to take |
| 02:59.30 | eidolarr | What happens if you have three frames: parent, child1, child2 |
| 02:59.37 | eidolarr | say parent has dimensions 100x100 |
| 03:00.11 | eidolarr | child1 is anchored to parent in topleft, bottomleft, child2 is anchored to parent topright and bottomright, and child2 is anchored to child1 on the left |
| 03:00.33 | eidolarr | so the children represent the left and right sides of the square |
| 03:00.41 | eidolarr | what is drawn? |
| 03:00.47 | Jamash | a tesseract? |
| 03:00.55 | Jamash | try it out |
| 03:00.58 | Jamash | find out |
| 03:01.42 | eidolarr | I did, it doesn't appear to draw anything and I'm not sure why |
| 03:02.12 | Seerah | eidolarr: because they're not sure how wide each of them should be. |
| 03:03.57 | Trela | Kraps: Apparently 4chan has started up on Bashiok's information to the point of spammy phone calls and pizza delivery. |
| 03:04.15 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 03:04.49 | Cairenn | I feel so sorry for that family |
| 03:04.58 | bleeter | what what? my full name on the forums? |
| 03:05.01 | Cairenn | His wife probably wants to kill him right about now :p |
| 03:05.21 | bleeter | gunna have to re-read this RealID stuff. Wonder why Blizz won't let me be known as a nickname :-/ |
| 03:06.11 | Kraps | Cairenn: gotta break a few eggs before your company will stop being fucking morons, i mean make an omlet |
| 03:06.25 | clever | bleeter: its meant only for real life friends |
| 03:06.31 | clever | people who already know your real name |
| 03:06.36 | Cairenn | bleeter: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816838128&sid=1#0 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=34#667 |
| 03:06.40 | Xyphoid | you know, like everyone on the forums |
| 03:06.51 | Xyphoid | they're all your friend |
| 03:06.57 | Trela | Cairenn: I have dealt with the might of 4chan and /i/nvasion boards before. While I won, it meant days of managing crap no one should have to. |
| 03:07.45 | bleeter | clever: I'm reading http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=25626109041 and the 2nd para seems to me that every post I make will expose RealID. |
| 03:08.08 | Kraps | bleeter: yes |
| 03:08.08 | Trela | bleeter: That is correct. |
| 03:08.29 | bleeter | Is it retrospective? |
| 03:08.33 | Cairenn | bleeter: no |
| 03:08.38 | Dagmar | bleeter: Someone got confused about the difference between privacy and anonymity and decided to throw them both out |
| 03:08.41 | Cairenn | that is the second link I posted |
| 03:08.56 | Dagmar | bleeter: It _can't_ be retroactive. Agencies and class-action lawyers would go nuts. |
| 03:09.19 | clever | bleeter: http://www.wow.com/2010/07/06/blizzards-responses-on-the-real-id-situation/ 'All posts in the future on the new forum systems will be an opt-in choice and ample warning will be given that you're posting with your real first and last name. ' |
| 03:09.28 | bleeter | Dagmar: wouldn't be the first time Blizz have screwed up ;) :P |
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| 03:10.10 | Kraps | bleeter: this epicly? |
| 03:10.14 | bleeter | Now, someone correct me if I'm wrong. But iirc Steam forums don't go this far? |
| 03:10.15 | eidolarr | I'm trying to create a slider that is very sensitive to the mouse's position, but using OnClick and GetCursorPosition are returning results inconsistent with the frame's position |
| 03:10.23 | Dagmar | bleeter: They don't. |
| 03:10.24 | Kraps | was busshock ever close? |
| 03:10.26 | bleeter | Kraps: yeah, the original Authenticator screwup was this epic :P |
| 03:10.31 | Kraps | even* |
| 03:10.33 | bleeter | prolly way more epic, imo |
| 03:11.35 | Trela | Kraps: I am already doing the database design for the name scraping web site. :D The hard part is identifying when more than one person has the same first and last name. |
| 03:11.48 | bleeter | I bet the RPers are thrilled at this |
| 03:12.00 | kd3 | ooh, that's a wrinkle |
| 03:12.02 | Kraps | Trela: :o |
| 03:12.04 | kd3 | ERPers |
| 03:12.08 | kd3 | winces at the thought |
| 03:12.27 | Xyphoid | bets on there being a bug in the new forums that lets you link new forum users to old forum users? |
| 03:12.30 | eidolarr | can't ERP on forum |
| 03:12.40 | eidolarr | ...unless you're really good... |
| 03:12.54 | Kraps | "I personally think Blizzard should get some kind of an award for making Games for Windows Live look attractive." |
| 03:13.11 | Trela | Xyphoid: A bug? Assuming they display a character it would be easy to link them. If they never display a character then there would need to be a bug for that to happen. |
| 03:13.33 | Xyphoid | yep, that's why I said a bug |
| 03:14.05 | Cairenn | "anyone posting or replying to a post on official Blizzard forums will be doing so using their Real ID -- that is, their real-life first and last name -- with the option to also display the name of their primary in-game character alongside it" |
| 03:14.49 | eidolarr | can anyone help me out? why is the value returned by GetCursorPosition inconsistent with where the frame says it's positioned? |
| 03:15.00 | Shadowed | Can you clarify eidolarr? |
| 03:15.20 | Wobin | eidolarr: scaling? |
| 03:15.24 | Xinhuan | eidolarr, uiscale |
| 03:15.29 | Wobin | ^ |
| 03:15.36 | Xinhuan | getcursorposition returns absolute values |
| 03:15.44 | Shadowed | Keep in mind, the cursor returns its position on the screen, frames return positions relative to their anchoring |
| 03:16.06 | Xinhuan | if you use frame:GetLeft() and GetTop() etc those returns are relative to uiscale |
| 03:16.18 | Xinhuan | so you need to divide by :GetEffectiveScale() |
| 03:16.20 | Shirik | Any holy priests here? |
| 03:16.36 | Shadowed | And those are also the edges (or center) of the frame, not the inbetween |
| 03:16.43 | Wobin | <-- Disc, I'm afraid |
| 03:16.48 | Shirik | fail |
| 03:16.53 | eidolarr | Shadowed: even with GetLeft()? |
| 03:17.00 | Pytlask | eidolarr: Divide the cursor position by UIParent:GetScale() :) |
| 03:17.05 | Shadowed | GetLeft returns the position of the left edge |
| 03:17.20 | Shadowed | But all of the GetLeft/Top/Right/Bottom/Center are modified by scale |
| 03:17.30 | eidolarr | the default scale isn't 1?! weird! |
| 03:17.32 | eidolarr | thanks a lot |
| 03:17.32 | Pytlask | eidolarr: GetLeft() takes into account UI scale, GetCursorPosition doesn't |
| 03:17.48 | Xinhuan | note that getcursorposition returns a value in a certain fixed resolution size |
| 03:17.50 | Shadowed | The default *frame* scale is 1, the UIScale can be different |
| 03:17.57 | Xinhuan | it does not return actual cursor coords |
| 03:18.07 | eidolarr | the default UIScale appears to be 0.89 |
| 03:18.12 | Shadowed | GetEffectiveScale() returns the frame scale * UIScale, while GetScale returns the frame scale |
| 03:18.19 | eidolarr | Xinhuan: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 03:18.29 | Xinhuan | no matter what size your wow window is, the bottom right corner of your wow is always the same coord |
| 03:18.34 | Xinhuan | go try it |
| 03:18.36 | Wobin | Shirik: disc healing is much more relaxing |
| 03:18.44 | Xinhuan | so there's window scaling too |
| 03:18.53 | Xinhuan | go change your wow's resolution too |
| 03:19.00 | Arrowmaster | so this spokeo.com site is creepy i think it even has a list of the magazine subscriptions we get and what weve donated too |
| 03:19.09 | Xinhuan | or change it to non-widescreen, etc |
| 03:19.12 | eidolarr | I see, I didn't expect UIParent to be scaled when "use UI scaling" is unchecked, thanks again |
| 03:19.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: atm Disc > Holy |
| 03:19.15 | Kraps | Shirik sup |
| 03:19.28 | Kraps | im disc though |
| 03:19.32 | Shirik | not the point Thunder_Child |
| 03:19.35 | Shirik | my question is thus |
| 03:19.46 | Shirik | has holy healing really just turned into a renew fest? |
| 03:19.49 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: just the US, phew =P |
| 03:19.52 | Thunder_Child | it's always the first |
| 03:19.55 | Xinhuan | it took me about half a day to figure all this out when i was implementing the draggable columns in Omen ;p |
| 03:20.05 | Pytlask | Xinhuan: Nope, in the bottom right, I always get GetCursorPosition() / UIParent:GetScale() == GetScreenWidth() |
| 03:20.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: no, they are not trying to be a druid |
| 03:20.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: it's all about flash heal |
| 03:20.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:20.19 | Wobin | Shirik: there -are- renew specs, however |
| 03:20.31 | Kraps | Shirik i think there are 2 ways to spec, renew and GHeal |
| 03:20.34 | Arrowmaster | what the hell |
| 03:20.41 | Shirik | I have been doing the math on it |
| 03:20.42 | Xinhuan | Pytlask, i'm saying GetScreenWidth is a constant |
| 03:20.45 | Shirik | and I used to always go flash heal |
| 03:20.46 | Shirik | always |
| 03:20.49 | Arrowmaster | i click on my dads name on spokeo.com and it fucking has "drives a truck" |
| 03:20.50 | Xinhuan | even if you go change the size of your window |
| 03:20.57 | Shirik | I did the math on it and it suggested renew may be more effective |
| 03:20.58 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: does he? |
| 03:20.59 | Shirik | so I tried it today |
| 03:21.01 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:21.02 | Pytlask | Xinhuan: It isn't :) At least not on Windows |
| 03:21.02 | Shirik | my healing skyrocketed |
| 03:21.07 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: that's kinda awesome |
| 03:21.10 | Wobin | awesomely scary |
| 03:21.12 | Arrowmaster | its creepy |
| 03:21.15 | Shirik | like not even a small hcange |
| 03:21.18 | Shirik | it was massive |
| 03:21.22 | Kraps | Shirik if you spec it it should |
| 03:21.37 | Shirik | I am not aware of many talents that affect renew |
| 03:21.39 | Wobin | Shirik: your healing, or your effective healing? |
| 03:21.43 | Arrowmaster | it apparently has his email too which is strange since it doesnt have mine |
| 03:21.44 | Shirik | effective |
| 03:21.47 | Shirik | well |
| 03:21.49 | Shirik | both really I think |
| 03:21.54 | Shirik | I'd have to double check |
| 03:21.57 | bleeter | Cairenn: yeah, that's pretty crappy. imagine someone writing some good RP from points of view of different toons. Knowing it's all the same person could easily ruin effect. etc. |
| 03:21.58 | Wobin | because hots will always outheal direct heals, generally |
| 03:21.58 | Shirik | I'm looking at effective for sure |
| 03:21.59 | Kraps | Snowfox is the house! |
| 03:22.03 | Wobin | (for the same class) |
| 03:22.41 | bleeter | Cairenn: the problem I see is that to get any form of GM or Tech support via forums, one will have to give up one's name. One has no option at all. That's so uncool it's practically tropical. |
| 03:22.59 | Kraps | bleeter: or the weather in ny |
| 03:23.12 | Kraps | felt like 115 degrees |
| 03:23.18 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: Spokeo aggregates data from hundreds of online and offline sources, including but not limited to: phone directories, social networks, marketing surveys, mailing lists, government census, real estate listings, and business websites |
| 03:23.18 | Kraps | in the city |
| 03:23.26 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: so probably picked it up from facebook =P |
| 03:23.41 | Arrowmaster | my parents dont have facebook accounts |
| 03:23.44 | bleeter | 'Oh hi, I'm being stalked and harrassed on my realm by some idiot who's doing <blah>. BTW, thanks for leaking my name' |
| 03:24.04 | Trela | Kraps: I hope Blizzard uses their love of XML documents for the new forum system. That will make it insanely easy to scrape then. |
| 03:24.05 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: you should suggest that they change the page so that you can click on info to see the source |
| 03:24.07 | Arrowmaster | and mine has ALWAYS been locked down completely so that nobody gets anything if they arent atleast a friend of friend |
| 03:24.30 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: you can get far far far more via the API than you get via web UI |
| 03:24.33 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: they probably give you the sources if you purchase the full report |
| 03:24.45 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: car loan? |
| 03:24.59 | Arrowmaster | havent had a car loan in years |
| 03:25.10 | Wobin | insurance claim? |
| 03:25.16 | Trela | Kraps: Also, did you notice Micah Whipple's Facebook account appears deleted now? |
| 03:25.19 | Wobin | traffic violation/accident? |
| 03:25.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah but i dont think they could get this specific data from just that |
| 03:25.47 | Wobin | well, they know where he lives |
| 03:26.01 | Wobin | so it's a small step to the available legal records |
| 03:26.06 | Kraps | Trela: yeah, people have been saying that for a while |
| 03:26.16 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: this thing has stuff that is not in legal records though |
| 03:26.30 | Wobin | there's a lot of information available on the net, the problem is narrowing down who it applies to. |
| 03:27.08 | Trela | Arrowmaster: Thankfully, I do not exist to Spokeo. :D |
| 03:27.47 | Arrowmaster | Trela: well its not exactly perfect on me either, i think it has my dads date of birth for mine |
| 03:28.07 | Arrowmaster | it says im a mid 50 Libra |
| 03:28.13 | Trela | Same first name? |
| 03:28.15 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 03:28.29 | kd3 | well, it's got me all kinds of wrong |
| 03:28.43 | Trela | Hmm. |
| 03:28.44 | kd3 | thankfully I'm a 'third', so my grandfather and father and I all share names |
| 03:28.59 | Trela | Well, when I type my name in, it just can not find me at all. |
| 03:29.24 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt be against showing you this page for me just to see how creepy it is but theres no way in hell im linking it in this channel |
| 03:29.28 | Kraps | Real ID: So optional, it's mandatory! |
| 03:29.38 | Wobin | Shirik: you don't live in Virginia, do you? |
| 03:29.48 | clever | my name turns up over 1900 results |
| 03:29.50 | Shirik | that depends on how you define "live" |
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| 03:30.01 | Kraps | lol Wobin i wanna know too :p |
| 03:30.04 | Wobin | You enjoy Home Decorating? =) |
| 03:30.07 | Shirik | I either live in VA, FL, WA, or OR |
| 03:30.11 | Shirik | uh.... no |
| 03:30.16 | clever | not one of them in the right country |
| 03:30.18 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.24 | Wobin | the other one is married |
| 03:30.46 | Shirik | who are those pictures? |
| 03:30.48 | Wobin | also, note, you got picked cause you're the first that came to mind that lived in the US that I could get their name |
| 03:30.57 | Wobin | Shirik: 'sample'? |
| 03:30.57 | clever | even when i throw 'canada' in there it stupidly throws USA people :P |
| 03:31.02 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:31.22 | Kraps | i tried cogwheel but nothing good came up |
| 03:31.24 | Arrowmaster | that page is no where near as detailed as mine |
| 03:31.28 | Shirik | That site is so totally wrong it's not even funny |
| 03:31.35 | Wobin | Shirik: thankfully |
| 03:31.41 | Arrowmaster | mine is scary detailed |
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| 03:31.51 | Shirik | I especially like the "Neighborhood: Wealthy. Wealth: Not so much." |
| 03:32.03 | Jerub | why is this channel +t |
| 03:32.11 | Shirik | oh that's a sample |
| 03:32.20 | Arrowmaster | almost every irc channel is +t |
| 03:32.23 | Jerub | wait, wrong channel. |
| 03:33.07 | Shirik | I should email them informing them that what they are saying is libel |
| 03:33.09 | Shirik | to see what they do |
| 03:33.25 | Trela | I am attempting to locate Arrowmaster, but I must not cheat either! |
| 03:33.45 | Wobin | Shirik: â Profile data is derived from marketing surveys, consumer records, and public data sources and is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate. |
| 03:33.53 | Shirik | irrelevant |
| 03:34.17 | Shirik | You can't go around saying "Mr. Jones is a homosexual*" "* This publication is not guaranteed to be accurate in any way, shape, or form" |
| 03:34.19 | mikma | no u |
| 03:34.44 | Arrowmaster | Trela: you realize i have stated in this channel multiple times that it is extremely easy to find my name address and phone number from a single domain whois |
| 03:35.22 | Kraps | ITS IN THE GAME ALREADY http://i48.tinypic.com/i5t3si.jpg |
| 03:35.41 | Shirik | Most of my information is on my Wikipedia page |
| 03:35.43 | Wobin | Kraps: lol |
| 03:36.03 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: so was that page actually for you? |
| 03:36.07 | Shirik | yup |
| 03:36.17 | Shirik | much of it is quite wrong |
| 03:36.26 | Shirik | but it is most certainly intended to be me |
| 03:36.43 | Kraps | stalks Shirik |
| 03:36.43 | clever | Kraps: that ip is invalid and useless |
| 03:37.00 | Thunder_Child | "Forever 21 now has a maternity line." >.< |
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| 03:39.29 | Trela | Arrowmaster: D'oh! |
| 03:41.05 | Trela | I will say that if I did use RealID and my legal name display on the Battle.net account was shown it would be incredibly difficult to locate me with that name. |
| 03:41.18 | mikma | so, you've been chatting about these new changes for about... 9 hours now? |
| 03:42.11 | Cairenn | and likely to continue to for a number of hours more, yet |
| 03:42.47 | mikma | that's neat, i took a small 7h nap and find out the topic continues :D |
| 03:43.08 | Trela | Actually, I would be interested if some one could find me via only my first and last name. |
| 03:43.43 | mikma | tell me your real name and i'll find you |
| 03:44.22 | Shirik | so like |
| 03:44.27 | Shirik | since we're all talking about this |
| 03:44.29 | clever | i checked my own name on spokeo, not a single result is in the right country |
| 03:44.33 | Shirik | is blizzard serious about using real names on forums? |
| 03:44.44 | clever | Shirik: it will be an optional thing |
| 03:44.48 | Shirik | ah |
| 03:44.49 | mikma | shirik: less posters means less trolls |
| 03:45.03 | Shirik | it also means less community |
| 03:45.09 | Trela | Shirik: Yes they are serious and no it is not optional. |
| 03:45.16 | clever | bleeter: http://www.wow.com/2010/07/06/blizzards-responses-on-the-real-id-situation/ 'All posts in the future on the new forum systems will be an opt-in choice and ample warning will be given that you're posting with your real first and last name. ' |
| 03:45.21 | clever | Shirik: read that post and the quote |
| 03:45.47 | Xyphoid | 'opt-in choice' means that you have the option to post or not, which is quite funny |
| 03:46.05 | Kraps | ^ |
| 03:46.31 | Trela | Unless you want technical support. |
| 03:46.44 | Legorol|alt | oooh, have they announced yet that tech support will be different? |
| 03:46.48 | Arrowmaster | you want to know what else is creepy about that spokeo.com site? i dont know which one is Cairenn but i think it has her picture |
| 03:47.08 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: which site? |
| 03:47.47 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: spokeo.com, you live in Florida right? |
| 03:47.52 | Cairenn | rofl |
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| 03:48.00 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:48.01 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:48.20 | Cairenn | Not only wrong state, wrong Country |
| 03:48.36 | Trela | I have given mikma my name. I wish him good luck. :D |
| 03:49.14 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: ok well the picture it seems to have linked to people with your name is really tiny but i think it kinda looks like you but its hard to tell |
| 03:49.20 | Shirik | I wish Cairenn lived in FL |
| 03:49.31 | Thunder_Child | i doubt Cairenn does |
| 03:49.43 | Cairenn | warm? hell yes! |
| 03:49.47 | Shirik | it's very easy to tell if it's a picture of Cairenn |
| 03:49.52 | Shirik | if it's very blurry |
| 03:49.54 | Shirik | it's her |
| 03:49.59 | Dagmar | I get the feeling you guys don't realize that the loons out there will _eventually_ find someone to stalk who *is* reasonably local to them |
| 03:50.00 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: cold > bugs |
| 03:50.10 | Trela | Broke the lens, Shirik? |
| 03:50.18 | Shirik | no she moves too fast |
| 03:51.17 | Arrowmaster | you guys are lucky, everybody i keep trying on this site has at least 50 results, mine only has 16 |
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| 03:52.32 | Trela | Arrowmaster: Mine has 3,347. |
| 03:52.42 | Cairenn | Dagmar: already been there, done that, (as I know you have too) - oh the joys of being a 'public' figure, hey? |
| 03:53.02 | Torhal | Cairenn: Can you drop the IPO now, please? |
| 03:53.42 | Dagmar | Cairenn: Oh yeah |
| 03:54.06 | Cairenn | Torhal: huh? |
| 03:54.52 | Torhal | Cairenn: Bah, joke that backfired. Was supposed to be like a restraining order. |
| 03:55.01 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:55.12 | Cairenn | I'm used to hearing that as TRO |
| 03:55.19 | Cairenn | :) |
| 03:55.27 | Torhal | Hell, I probably just threw three letters together for all I know. |
| 03:55.34 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: i dont show up in there at all via name |
| 03:56.58 | Trela | IPO, initial public offering? |
| 03:57.26 | Cairenn | Trela: heh, indeed, which is why I went "huh" |
| 03:58.12 | Shirik | the dream is a live |
| 03:58.16 | Shirik | it's alive too |
| 03:59.27 | Kraps | http://consumerist.com/2010/07/you-want-your-real-name-publicly-associated-with-your-world-of-warcraft-account-right.html |
| 03:59.57 | Trela | Kraps: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=25712374700&pageNo=109#2160 |
| 04:00.06 | Trela | Love it, community MVP saying no. :D |
| 04:00.16 | Trela | Actually, you probably already read that. |
| 04:00.47 | Kraps | no i havent |
| 04:00.57 | Kraps | i read Freyja |
| 04:01.22 | Dagmar | You coudln't pay me money to be an MVP if my real name had to be attached to it, and it's hard to find me by my birth name |
| 04:01.23 | Cairenn | Trela: that isn't the only one |
| 04:01.40 | Cairenn | (that is screaming about it) |
| 04:01.47 | Trela | mikma: Any luck yet? |
| 04:01.49 | Thunder_Child | using the friends feature of spokeo is freaky |
| 04:02.24 | Kraps | grr maroon 5 |
| 04:04.31 | Shirik | I wonder if blizzard reps have their real name posted |
| 04:04.44 | Trela | Shirik: They will. |
| 04:05.35 | Trela | Shirik: Also, one of the representatives that posted their name, the data miners picked up on the wrong information and have been harassing some one else with that same uncommon name. |
| 04:05.44 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:05.46 | Shirik | fail |
| 04:06.27 | Pytlask | Trela: I think you missed the post where it was stated that was not his information :P They found some other person with that same name. |
| 04:06.46 | Trela | Either way, it is all screwed up. |
| 04:07.33 | Cairenn | I see that other family going after Blizz big time over this |
| 04:07.41 | Cairenn | rightfully so, imo |
| 04:07.51 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 04:08.47 | Kraps | whoa dude, "Some sociologist should get ready to study thisâ¦" http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/07/an_interesting_experiment_in_o.php |
| 04:09.33 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:09.39 | Shirik | why is it Blizzard's fault? |
| 04:09.45 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.48 | Jerub | ack |
| 04:09.52 | Jerub | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/ |
| 04:10.35 | Thunder_Child | it isnt |
| 04:10.43 | Arrowmaster | that was when ut2k4 has this new fangled thing called ingame voice chat right? |
| 04:12.49 | Kraps | 700 pages |
| 04:13.58 | Corrodias | if they attach names to old forum posts, and my name starts showing up, i'll happily participate in any related class action lawsuits, as i have never agreed to the terms of these things or signed up for any "real id" |
| 04:14.54 | Cairenn | Corrodias: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=34#667 |
| 04:14.56 | Trela | Corrodias: They are scrapping the old forums entirely, no fear. |
| 04:15.23 | Dagmar | Seriously, they _can't_ retroactively stick names on posts |
| 04:15.27 | Corrodias | ah, good |
| 04:15.41 | Dagmar | They're just as much bound by the site's privacy policy and EULAs as the users are |
| 04:15.43 | Trela | Dagmar: Technologically they can, but they would get reamed by lawyers. |
| 04:15.53 | Xyphoid | god that facebook / blizzard integration article is scary to read now |
| 04:15.55 | Dagmar | Trela: Much in the same way I "can" rob a bank |
| 04:16.02 | Trela | Dagmar: DO IT! |
| 04:16.09 | Dagmar | Umm... no |
| 04:16.15 | Dagmar | I won't stoop to their level. |
| 04:16.37 | Kraps | Shirik http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/65870859#65870859 |
| 04:17.08 | Xyphoid | 'Do you expect any push back from diehard Blizzard fans from the Facebook features? We don't anticipate any.' is great |
| 04:17.26 | Corrodias | what's this facebook stuff? |
| 04:17.27 | Kraps | "Somebody put forth that Bashiok posted his name intentionally to show this would happen to show Activision what a fucking stupid idea this is. If that's the case he's a true bro." |
| 04:17.33 | Kraps | bahahah |
| 04:17.50 | Dagmar | Even if it's not true, he deserves beer at the next Blizzcon |
| 04:18.16 | Cairenn | I still feel really bad for the family that is getting crap from the assholes at 4chan |
| 04:18.34 | Cairenn | (among others) |
| 04:18.35 | Xyphoid | http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/05/blizzard-and-facebooks-friendly-social-networking-deal-launches-with-starcraft-ii-/1 |
| 04:19.05 | Xyphoid | 'We're now at something five years ago I don't think any of us would maybe necessarily be comfortable with. ' |
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| 04:19.29 | Corrodias | hah, man, i'd avoid that facebook button like a diseased rat |
| 04:19.40 | Dagmar | wait...what? |
| 04:20.17 | Cairenn | that's old news guys |
| 04:20.33 | Corrodias | i asked; i haven't been following it closely |
| 04:20.42 | Xyphoid | it's fun to reread though in conjunction with today's announcement |
| 04:20.43 | Dagmar | Oh... Yeah I was just about to say... this is just the "clik button, recieve list of friends from FB" thing which is no real problem |
| 04:21.15 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: oh? do diseased rat avoid facebook buttons really well? |
| 04:21.17 | Dagmar | Populating battle.net form FB == fine |
| 04:21.18 | Xyphoid | now we know that, for example, they're willing to tie these upgrades to existing features |
| 04:21.19 | Corrodias | and technically the forum name thing isn't a "problem" as long as you're okay with not posting on the forums if you don't like sharing your billing name |
| 04:21.19 | Arrowmaster | although that article is horrible and makes it sound like an actual partnership between blizzard and facebook |
| 04:21.23 | Thunder_Child | rats* |
| 04:21.25 | Dagmar | Populating FB from battle.net == insanity |
| 04:21.28 | Corrodias | Thunder_Child: he can't reach the button |
| 04:21.52 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: but he just asks his friend the mouse to do it for him..... |
| 04:22.24 | Trela | I remember when Blizzard's account management system specifically changed to using ***** for parts of the name to prevent hackers from getting it. |
| 04:22.32 | Kraps | derp someone apparently has Neths info |
| 04:22.36 | Trela | Now they given out the log in name, email, and full name. |
| 04:23.20 | Dagmar | ...which means by now they're contacting CS to get their account back |
| 04:23.45 | Arrowmaster | personally i hate how wide spread facebook has become, ive personally got the facebook like button crap permanently blacklisted in adblockplus so my browser isnt in contact with facebook at all when randomly browsing the web |
| 04:24.03 | Shirik | you know what |
| 04:24.08 | Shirik | I think I'm going to send this to my aunt |
| 04:24.24 | Kraps | sent what? |
| 04:24.35 | Shirik | she's VP of marketing where she works, I wonder what she thinks of this whole idea |
| 04:24.38 | Shirik | was it a blunder, etc. |
| 04:25.19 | Shirik | she's said several times that it should never be a surprise what your customers' reactions are when you announce information |
| 04:25.36 | Shirik | so the real question is (1) did they screw up, or (2) do they really not care |
| 04:25.44 | Arrowmaster | 'if it was any other company than blizzard, somebody would be getting fired. hell somebody could still be getting fired at activision for this' |
| 04:26.01 | Shirik | like |
| 04:26.03 | Shirik | I'm going to say flat out |
| 04:26.08 | Shirik | there is no way they will not lose money off this |
| 04:26.29 | Cairenn | Their stock dropped all day, after the announcement |
| 04:26.32 | Arrowmaster | somebody already said the cancel account page was timing out |
| 04:26.42 | Shirik | but backing out now probably means the loss of tons of revenue already invested in this |
| 04:26.54 | Arrowmaster | what revenue? |
| 04:27.05 | Shirik | They said they have "bigger plans" |
| 04:27.08 | Shirik | like this whole facebook thing |
| 04:27.12 | Shirik | I'm sure there's money involved there |
| 04:27.28 | Trela | Arrowmaster: It was slow for me, but it went through. |
| 04:28.25 | Arrowmaster | if there is money involved there then its just like investing in facebook, it may seem like a good idea but its never going to earn you a profit EVER |
| 04:28.36 | Corrodias | announcing Activision Blizzard / Microsoft partnership. You will need to log into your Windows LIVE account to play. Please note that all your contacts on battle.net, LIVE, facebook, myspace, and gmail will be imported into each other system. |
| 04:29.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:29.03 | Shirik | LIVE and gmail |
| 04:29.05 | Shirik | working together |
| 04:29.07 | Shirik | that'll be the day |
| 04:29.21 | Corrodias | :) |
| 04:29.23 | Shirik | OH! |
| 04:29.29 | Shirik | I met up with a friend that works at Microsoft yesterday |
| 04:29.34 | Shirik | he started a few months ago |
| 04:29.40 | Arrowmaster | logging into a windows live account to play a game on a mac, that will be the day |
| 04:29.43 | Shirik | I was very amused, he said his first day he went to a triage meeting |
| 04:29.46 | Dagmar | It'll be time to take the barbecue grill out for a bobsled run because even hell will have frozen over |
| 04:29.49 | Shirik | they pulled up their tracker |
| 04:29.55 | Shirik | and it's web based |
| 04:29.59 | Shirik | and they pulled it up with firefox |
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| 04:30.19 | Kraps | Shirik: what i dont get is, from the day a person or kid starts using the net, every forum signup form, every security article, even common fucking sense, says DO NOT GIVE OUT YOUR PERSONAL INFO OVER THE NET, EVER. how the FUCK does this ever cross the mind of execs of an ONLINE game, muck less be announced? |
| 04:30.46 | Corrodias | i don't know why Blizzard thinks they need to announce people's names. maybe it's because they get sexual pleasure from it. *shrug* |
| 04:31.11 | Corrodias | or at least for the people making the call... my keyboard s messng up |
| 04:31.11 | Shirik | I'm not sure they'll go through with it |
| 04:31.14 | Shirik | like |
| 04:31.21 | Shirik | they can't really be that stupid, can they? |
| 04:31.38 | Kraps | Shirik: they announced it |
| 04:31.44 | Kraps | what do you think? |
| 04:31.45 | Dagmar | Kraps: I'm tellin' ya... Wired published an article somewhat lauding Zuckerberg of Facebook for making their users reconsider what's acceptable levels of privacy every six months |
| 04:32.06 | Dagmar | I think someone from Activision read it while stoned and decided to be "more innovative" |
| 04:33.27 | Kraps | Dagmar: but was everyone ELSE in the room stoned at the same time? this isnt a one man operation |
| 04:33.56 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: if that one man is high enough up it can be |
| 04:34.12 | Kraps | goddamn it |
| 04:34.13 | Dagmar | Too right |
| 04:34.22 | Shirik | !g us patent 8251203 |
| 04:34.23 | batbot | Shirik: no results |
| 04:34.35 | Shirik | !g us patent 6251203 |
| 04:34.36 | batbot | Shirik: LOW CALORIC DENSITY AERATED CONFECTIONS AND METHODS OF PREPARATION ... <http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090214729> |
| 04:34.38 | Dagmar | Everyone in this building has an IQ of 110 or higher, but we still use Sharepoint because someone high up has a boner for Microsoft kool-air |
| 04:34.46 | Dagmar | s/air/aid/; |
| 04:34.58 | Trela | I love the thought train of 4chan people of who to find information on first. "Nethaera is probably the one out of those that posts the most on the WoW forums and since she's female it should have a larger impact." |
| 04:34.58 | Shirik | strange |
| 04:35.03 | Shirik | who the hell patents yogurt |
| 04:35.18 | Dagmar | Shirik: Lawyers |
| 04:35.59 | Kraps | patent lawyers |
| 04:36.01 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: only 110? must be a large building or something |
| 04:36.28 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It's a large building, and I'm taking into account freshmen interns |
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| 04:37.02 | Cairenn | Kraps: when my daughter was young, we printed out: http://www.nrps.com/zone/isafety-kid.asp and had it taped right beside her monitor |
| 04:37.54 | Kraps | Cairenn: need to send it to blizz or something |
| 04:37.58 | Cairenn | (I don't know if it was exactly that one, from that specific page) so yeah, I'm right there with you |
| 04:38.42 | Dagmar | I have the one about bears eating a little girl at the mall |
| 04:40.27 | Jerub | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ |
| 04:41.09 | Kraps | "On a related note, I wonder if Kotick will ever get assassinated by some crazed autistic gamer." |
| 04:41.18 | Kraps | 4chan wins |
| 04:41.33 | Corrodias | one can hope? |
| 04:41.47 | Arrowmaster | i would assassinate him if i had a reasonable chance of getting away with it |
| 04:41.47 | Kraps | heh Jerub |
| 04:42.18 | Shirik | hm |
| 04:42.19 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 04:42.20 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:42.24 | Shirik | well that is impressive |
| 04:42.27 | Shirik | did I ever DC? |
| 04:42.33 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:42.36 | Cairenn | no |
| 04:42.40 | Shirik | My computer just went to sleep |
| 04:42.44 | Shirik | because the battery died |
| 04:42.49 | Shirik | it was off for like 2 minutes |
| 04:42.57 | Corrodias | lol. |
| 04:43.11 | Arrowmaster | i did that in highschool with my laptop a few times |
| 04:43.19 | Jerub | it's really not that amazing. |
| 04:43.25 | bleeter | hey, upside of realid i just thought of |
| 04:43.27 | Shirik | yes it is fu |
| 04:43.40 | bleeter | we'll be able to track blizz staffers after they leave when they return to post on the forums |
| 04:43.45 | Corrodias | you can know when your mother plays wow? |
| 04:43.50 | Jerub | it's just amazing that something so simple has been fukced up repeatedly by various bits of the network stack for so long |
| 04:43.51 | Corrodias | oh hey, good plan! |
| 04:43.52 | bleeter | further, it'll mean will be a lot easier to track 'em down to buy 'em a beer |
| 04:44.31 | Shirik | Jerub: It's basically because applications go "oh shit more than 5 seconds passed, must be failed connection!" |
| 04:44.43 | Jerub | Shirik: sometimes! |
| 04:45.22 | clever | Shirik: ive found a major pain in windows, if the connection is half dead (one direction) it will give up extremely fast |
| 04:45.31 | clever | often en-mass, half the connections on the system at once |
| 04:45.33 | Jerub | Shirik: question: if no data has passed over a tcp/ip connection, how long does it remain active until it times out and discarded? |
| 04:45.37 | Trela | bleeter: I thought there was rule against revealing where a game master/community manager played in WoW. Imagine how it showing their real name would come up for a lot of harassment. |
| 04:45.56 | Shirik | in today's world? half a second |
| 04:45.56 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: depending on the server you can go for 10 minutes without any communication and still be connected to irc |
| 04:46.04 | clever | Jerub: depends on the routers and OS's |
| 04:46.30 | Jerub | the correct answer is never. |
| 04:46.31 | clever | my router will keep the connection routable for days, while my neighbors wifi keeps them less then a few hours |
| 04:46.39 | bleeter | Trela: Won't someone think of the MVP's... or the regulars in Customer Support who get abused because there's no Blizz staff on shift? |
| 04:46.43 | Arrowmaster | i know because i messed up my routers tcp timeout setting once so i kept getting disconnected every 10 minutes from this irc server where i was only in one channel with very little activity |
| 04:46.48 | bleeter | Trela: which is to say, precisely ;) |
| 04:46.49 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@c-98-251-190-189.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 04:47.08 | Corrodias | my eye key has ded. become dead. |
| 04:47.17 | Jerub | Corrodias: oh noes! |
| 04:47.24 | Jerub | Corrodias: that's terrible. |
| 04:47.30 | Jerub | quick. /nick Corrodas |
| 04:47.46 | Jerub | wait. you can't |
| 04:47.47 | Jerub | bwahaha |
| 04:47.49 | Corrodias | :< |
| 04:47.56 | clever | Jerub: its not really feasable to keep inactive tcp stuff around forever |
| 04:48.02 | Corrodias | ths keyboard s lke 8 years old |
| 04:48.08 | Corrodias | 'm gong to be sad to see t go |
| 04:48.12 | Jerub | clever: tee hee. |
| 04:48.34 | Jerub | Corrodias: if i may, i have a recommendation for a keyboard. |
| 04:48.49 | Corrodias | go for t. 'm not gong to lke any keyboar dthat sn't ths one, so how ba dcould t be? |
| 04:48.50 | clever | Jerub: my router can only handle 8k connections total, and that can easily get eaten up in no time if i keep stuff too long |
| 04:48.55 | Jerub | http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&Code=55Y9003¤t-category-id=E9ADAEB6787146E29B78400A33E7FE8A |
| 04:49.16 | Shirik | is quite bored |
| 04:49.43 | Corrodias | man, that's... that's so wrong. why would we get a compact keyboard for a desktop? :( |
| 04:49.45 | Arrowmaster | clever: do you have a linksys or something? those damn things keep tcp connections around for a fucking week by default |
| 04:49.53 | Jerub | clever: i understand you're using deficient networking technology, but what can you do? NAT is here to stay until we fully transition to ipv6. :P |
| 04:50.06 | clever | Arrowmaster: a full 200mhz desktop with linux |
| 04:50.24 | Arrowmaster | my linksys router is 200mhz too |
| 04:50.38 | Arrowmaster | running linux |
| 04:50.38 | clever | Jerub: ive got ipv6 too and depending on the firewalling, you may silently ignore any packet not linked to an 'active' connection on your end |
| 04:50.54 | Jerub | clever: but that doesn't require any state on the fw. |
| 04:50.57 | clever | so once you improperly reboot, you wont reply to the old connections, and the remote end will also be screwed up because of that |
| 04:51.17 | clever | only the fw at the very end, no need to keep state in the middle |
| 04:52.12 | Jerub | Corrodias: that keyboard is probably one of the best keyboards in current production. |
| 04:52.35 | Jerub | Corrodias: it's also compact, but i'm not a number pad using person, so that's not an issue for me. |
| 04:52.44 | clever | Arrowmaster: mine is setup to keep things for 5 days it seems |
| 04:52.46 | Corrodias | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.11 | Jerub | what's your current keyboard? |
| 04:53.16 | clever | ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established == 432000 |
| 04:53.42 | Arrowmaster | mine is 14400 |
| 04:53.54 | Corrodias | corr has an old Log_tech el_te keyboard, out of product_on for a long t_me |
| 04:54.01 | Arrowmaster | so 4 hours |
| 04:54.09 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25626050311/i-have-drafted-a-letter/ |
| 04:54.18 | Kraps | hardcore |
| 04:54.32 | clever | Arrowmaster: i checked the conntrack table and i can see a huge spike of stuff sitting at 3days inactive |
| 04:54.35 | Jerub | that's the one with the scrollwheels ? |
| 04:55.00 | Jerub | oh my. that's a hard one to replace. |
| 04:55.06 | Jerub | my boss had one until our office fire. |
| 04:55.24 | Corrodias | Kraps: a beautful form letter dsmssal by the faceless corporate blues |
| 04:55.51 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: fix your keyboard |
| 04:55.59 | Corrodias | Jerub: the features are not somethng 'm so attached to, but the style of the keys s so famlar to me now |
| 04:56.25 | Corrodias | has no others. :( |
| 04:56.28 | Jerub | Corrodias: ah, my boss was one of those people who had every hotkey bound to something. |
| 04:56.47 | Corrodias | heh, cool |
| 04:57.00 | clever | Arrowmaster: oops, i was reading it backwards, those 3day things are expiring in 3 days, not 3 days inactive |
| 04:57.05 | Jerub | i was a fan of the old mitsubishi km303 |
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| 04:57.58 | Jerub | can't buy them anymore, and we lost most of them in the same fire |
| 04:58.09 | Arrowmaster | clever: if you are hitting the connection limit just lower it, you can safely go as low as 14400 afaik since that is what the alternative linksys firmwares use because the hardware cant handle the default of 1 week |
| 04:58.19 | clever | Arrowmaster: its only about 50% full |
| 04:58.34 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UgpfSp2t6k&NR=1&feature=fvwp |
| 04:58.59 | clever | 4541/8192 |
| 04:59.14 | Corrodias | doesn't want to buy a keyboard wthout feelng a model at a store, so he must go to best buy aga-n tomorrow, apparently. |
| 05:00.00 | Arrowmaster | clever: looking at mine theres is only 81/4096 but it is slowly growing as i watch it |
| 05:00.20 | Fisker | haha oh wow |
| 05:00.28 | Fisker | 15000 posts on the us forum now |
| 05:00.33 | Corrodias | last t-me - was there, they had no keyboards that d-dn't have some non-standard style of Funct-on keys |
| 05:00.37 | clever | Arrowmaster: my bigger problem is the nasty bug ive found in ppp on 2.6.16 |
| 05:00.39 | Corrodias | all horr-ble. |
| 05:00.53 | clever | Arrowmaster: it will randomly disable all upload on the ppp connection |
| 05:00.58 | Kraps | ohai Fisker |
| 05:01.25 | Arrowmaster | clever: im still on 2.4.x because of the broadcom chip |
| 05:01.40 | Fisker | ohai Kraps |
| 05:01.41 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghFBt-fXmw&feature=channel |
| 05:01.42 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 05:01.43 | Fisker | halp |
| 05:01.49 | Shirik | what |
| 05:01.52 | Arrowmaster | but ive got cable so no ppp connection |
| 05:01.52 | Shirik | you need beta key? |
| 05:01.59 | clever | Arrowmaster: ive tried upgrading to 2.6.34 but then the entire NAT peice of the kernel stops working and the lan network card driver fails |
| 05:02.44 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 05:03.17 | Fisker | i need you to tell me how one can find out what hardware/driver is causing the system to run slow :o |
| 05:03.19 | clever | Arrowmaster: i initialy suspected the wan network driver, now i know how the card functions at the low level! |
| 05:03.44 | bluspacecow | @fisker "15000 posts on the us forum now" <------ about what |
| 05:03.47 | Kraps | Fisker: whats ur name |
| 05:03.57 | Fisker | your mom is my name |
| 05:04.05 | clever | the card can have up to 4 packets queued for transmit at any time, and it uses DMA to fetch those 4 packets |
| 05:04.06 | Fisker | bluspacecow the real id change on the forums duh |
| 05:04.08 | Kraps | bluspacecow: good morning |
| 05:04.25 | Fisker | lold @ several pages of locked threads on the subject as well |
| 05:04.26 | bluspacecow | *sigh* I go to bed then spend a day programming a washing machine and this happens ? |
| 05:04.39 | Kraps | bluspacecow: heres some light reading http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1 |
| 05:04.43 | Arrowmaster | you can program washing machines? |
| 05:05.01 | bluspacecow | sort of |
| 05:05.06 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 05:05.22 | bluspacecow | more like getting used to my new one meant to say programming myself for the new one |
| 05:05.37 | Trela | Kraps: 4chan thread was deleted. |
| 05:05.40 | bluspacecow | used to have one of those old rotary ones ... now got electric 2nd hand cheapo one |
| 05:05.50 | Shirik | 4chan threads are rarely deleted |
| 05:05.52 | bluspacecow | and yes you can program a washing machine |
| 05:05.53 | Shirik | they just expire |
| 05:05.58 | bluspacecow | dip switchs etc etc |
| 05:05.58 | Corrodias | depends on the board |
| 05:06.07 | bluspacecow | ie what the defaults are when you turn it on |
| 05:06.07 | Fisker | i like how mvp's are brownnosing to keep their position |
| 05:06.08 | Kraps | "i was hit by a car once, but this is far more painful than that." |
| 05:06.12 | Shirik | Any time someone says 4chan they mean /b/ |
| 05:06.18 | clever | bluspacecow: ours is really old, all the 'software' is notches cut into the main dial |
| 05:06.19 | Corrodias | ah, okay |
| 05:06.28 | Arrowmaster | our old one broke a few years ago, it was great since it NEVER got off balance, it was designed that it was impossible |
| 05:06.28 | Kraps | Shirik this was on /v/ |
| 05:06.31 | Shirik | Oh |
| 05:06.33 | Fisker | "Real ID on forums is fine, i only had to delete my name from the corporate website and lock down my facebook profile" |
| 05:06.35 | Fisker | k. |
| 05:06.35 | Shirik | Yeah /v/ has been pretty bad lately too |
| 05:06.37 | clever | its not much more complex then a punchcard computer with 0 bits of ram |
| 05:06.39 | Fisker | cool story bro |
| 05:06.41 | Shirik | I had to start another shiibot instance on /v/ |
| 05:06.45 | Fisker | also halp me Shirik |
| 05:06.46 | Shirik | So now I'm monitoring /b/ and /v/ |
| 05:06.48 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 05:06.53 | Shirik | your request has been filed and is in queue |
| 05:06.56 | bluspacecow | our old one looked like something out of the 70's |
| 05:06.56 | Fisker | k |
| 05:06.58 | Shirik | your estimated wait time is |
| 05:07.00 | Arrowmaster | got a new one, it got off balance often, and ended up breaking like 1 year after we got it |
| 05:07.00 | Shirik | 3 |
| 05:07.03 | Shirik | thousand |
| 05:07.05 | Shirik | years |
| 05:07.08 | Fisker | sweet |
| 05:07.08 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.19 | Fisker | video games |
| 05:07.20 | Shirik | lol, "video geames" |
| 05:07.28 | bluspacecow | meh |
| 05:07.40 | bluspacecow | real ID stuff ... not really imporant to me |
| 05:07.44 | Shirik | buti t's more of "secret raid board" |
| 05:07.47 | bluspacecow | might read up on it tonight @ work tho |
| 05:07.50 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: yes it is |
| 05:07.58 | clever | just go into the damn parantal controls and disable real-id! :P |
| 05:08.03 | bluspacecow | i have yet to read up on it |
| 05:08.05 | Corrodias | never post on the forum. |
| 05:08.08 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: you post on the forums, this change is extremely important |
| 05:08.13 | Fisker | bluspacecow there's nothing to read up on |
| 05:08.17 | clever | it was initialy disabled on my account, i couldnt even find a trace of realid in-game |
| 05:08.18 | Fisker | just read couple of blue posts |
| 05:08.23 | bluspacecow | i have |
| 05:08.26 | clever | it was like they never even added it |
| 05:08.28 | bluspacecow | im not that worried about it yet |
| 05:08.31 | Fisker | all other posts can be substituted with "no" or "Yes, because i'm a retard" |
| 05:08.45 | Kraps | lul |
| 05:09.04 | bluspacecow | why should i be worried about it ? I make no secret i play world of warcraft ... |
| 05:09.27 | Kraps | its your real name |
| 05:09.41 | Kraps | on a warcraft forum |
| 05:09.43 | bluspacecow | hmm |
| 05:09.45 | clever | my real-name is on irc here |
| 05:09.45 | bluspacecow | well |
| 05:09.47 | Kraps | really |
| 05:09.48 | clever | and on my domain name |
| 05:09.56 | bluspacecow | i did have that in y signature for almost over a year |
| 05:10.01 | bluspacecow | it was in my LJ URL |
| 05:10.03 | Kraps | clever: i didnt say irc did i |
| 05:10.08 | bluspacecow | ie honem.livejournal.com |
| 05:10.18 | Trela | Oh, mikma never found me. Any one else want to give it a try? |
| 05:10.20 | bluspacecow | that was in my signature for ages |
| 05:10.30 | clever | Kraps: no, but you could just /whois everybody in #wowuidev and farm the names |
| 05:10.40 | bluspacecow | ^^ firstnae and first initial of last name |
| 05:10.41 | clever | they all clearly have some connection to wow |
| 05:11.07 | clever | and the irc name might be related to character names ingame |
| 05:11.29 | Arrowmaster | Trela: http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Alexia%20E.%20Smith#Alabama |
| 05:11.44 | Kraps | clever: but we're all (mostly) same people here who wont harass you if you kill us in arena |
| 05:11.45 | Trela | No, no, and no. |
| 05:11.50 | Kraps | sane* |
| 05:12.00 | Arrowmaster | Trela: really? im that far off? |
| 05:12.14 | Trela | Yes, that far off. Want to message me for my real name now? :P |
| 05:12.17 | clever | Kraps: just wait till a 4chan'er finds this room :P |
| 05:12.35 | Arrowmaster | well i did post that in only 1 minute 11 seconds after you made the offer |
| 05:12.45 | Kraps | they wont care because this channel sucks |
| 05:12.51 | Arrowmaster | i consider that pretty good for the time |
| 05:12.58 | Kraps | >.> |
| 05:13.02 | Trela | Sorry, I was expecting some one to speak up. :D |
| 05:13.38 | Fisker | i love you Shirik |
| 05:13.42 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 05:13.59 | Fisker | i love you kd3 |
| 05:14.01 | Kraps | the wow forum has thousands of potential targets um victims |
| 05:16.07 | Kraps | bluspacecow: http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function |
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| 05:21.15 | Fisker | why does kd3 hate me Shirik ? |
| 05:21.17 | Jamash | o hai I fixed ur adon for u http://code.google.com/p/arkinventory/issues/detail?id=369 |
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| 05:25.22 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 05:25.23 | Shirik | because you are Fisker |
| 05:25.27 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 05:25.29 | Fisker | halp me as well |
| 05:25.35 | Fisker | i need to find out what is fucking up my computer |
| 05:26.14 | Fisker | haha this guy probably hit the nail on the head |
| 05:26.23 | Fisker | just put in a pet if you post on the forums |
| 05:26.45 | bluspacecow | and a mount if you use your real name then |
| 05:28.25 | bleeter | lol |
| 05:29.53 | Fisker | by |
| 05:29.54 | Fisker | btw |
| 05:29.59 | Fisker | Bashiok is a cool story |
| 05:30.06 | Fisker | "Here's my real name i don't mind sharing it" |
| 05:30.14 | Fisker | *horde of the wow community* |
| 05:30.18 | Fisker | GG you lost |
| 05:31.00 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 05:31.03 | Shirik | I am a horde |
| 05:31.11 | bluspacecow | of 1 ! |
| 05:31.22 | bluspacecow | hoo! hoo ! |
| 05:31.47 | Wobin | put in a pet? |
| 05:33.18 | Jamash | like the authenticator core hound |
| 05:33.22 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 05:33.47 | Jamash | have a RealID pet for people who post on the new forums |
| 05:33.51 | Jamash | I suggest pedobear |
| 05:34.07 | Trela | XD |
| 05:34.21 | Trela | Jamash: http://nerfnow.com/comic/334 |
| 05:34.43 | Jamash | oh shi... |
| 05:35.43 | Fisker | LOL! |
| 05:35.47 | Fisker | http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=Micah&name=Whipple&where= |
| 05:35.53 | Fisker | oh you wow community |
| 05:36.53 | Jerub | pipl.com |
| 05:36.58 | Wobin | Jamash: ah =) |
| 05:37.29 | Jerub | http://pipl.com/search/?FirstName=Micah&LastName=Whipple&City=&State=&Country=US&CategoryID=2&Interface=2 |
| 05:38.49 | Fisker | zomg traffic violations |
| 05:40.05 | olafski | how mature all of this |
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| 05:42.08 | Kraps | yes olafski |
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| 05:45.15 | olafski | I doubt it'll have the same effect on thousands of players who post on the forums though |
| 05:45.36 | olafski | maybe someone could write a browser plugin to automatically look up addresses of posters :) |
| 05:45.41 | Kraps | so its ok then? |
| 05:46.13 | olafski | I do think it's ok |
| 05:46.25 | olafski | as they say, if you don't like it you don't have to post +) |
| 05:47.49 | Kraps | its the principle of the thing: why the hell do i need to use my real name when playing a game to take a break from real life? |
| 05:48.36 | olafski | you don't |
| 05:48.38 | olafski | just don't post |
| 05:48.51 | Shirik | can you talk across factions with realid? |
| 05:48.59 | olafski | yes |
| 05:49.02 | Fisker | sure and what happens when you want something looked into (technical support, IGCS, etc)? |
| 05:49.30 | olafski | by then you should probably stop being paranoid fisker |
| 05:49.34 | Fisker | I've had several times where an issue wasn't solved because the GM's were to busy padding themselves on the back telling themselves they were right, where i had to post on the forums in order to have it fixed |
| 05:49.40 | Fisker | paranoid? |
| 05:49.42 | Kraps | but its ok if other people get harassed if its not you i.e. Bashiok, who HAS to post |
| 05:49.46 | Fisker | Are you serious or just stupid? |
| 05:49.56 | Arrowmaster | i saw one person saying that because of their profession they cant post on the new forums even if they wanted to for fear of getting fired |
| 05:50.46 | Kraps | cant wait, it'll be a riot when Neth gets harassed/stalked |
| 05:50.48 | Jamash | how about the guys in the military? |
| 05:51.10 | Fisker | Bashiok already deleted all his social networking profiles |
| 05:51.13 | Fisker | Which is awesome |
| 05:51.14 | olafski | it's not like your name is not on the internet somewhere already |
| 05:51.18 | Fisker | maybe he should stop being so paranoid |
| 05:51.19 | Jamash | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=767 |
| 05:51.25 | olafski | if you post without attaching your character name, how bad can that really be? |
| 05:51.41 | Fisker | What relevance does the character name have? |
| 05:51.50 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn_ (smcn@c-174-52-104-121.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 05:51.54 | olafski | no way to link it to your ingame identity |
| 05:51.56 | Arrowmaster | because school teachers are held up to that imaginary standard of they cant do anything questionable because they have to be perfect, and ofcourse people are going to say playing games isnt appropriate behavior |
| 05:51.59 | Jamash | You seem to be missing the point, olafski |
| 05:52.03 | Fisker | that's not the issue |
| 05:52.05 | olafski | now people can google your name and know that you play wow :O |
| 05:52.10 | Fisker | the issue is linking it to the REAL LIFE identity |
| 05:52.15 | Fisker | do you get it now? |
| 05:52.24 | olafski | nope I really don't care about that fisker :) |
| 05:52.30 | olafski | I imagine a troll does |
| 05:52.33 | olafski | but I don't :-) |
| 05:52.36 | Fisker | maybe you would if you were murdered |
| 05:52.37 | Jamash | if you post *anything whatsoever* on the realid forums it will be found and linked to you |
| 05:52.41 | Fisker | and olafski |
| 05:52.44 | Fisker | just to through this again |
| 05:52.53 | Fisker | IF we assume that posting your name is no big deal |
| 05:52.59 | Fisker | Then trolling won't be affected |
| 05:53.14 | Fisker | However by saying trolling will be affected, you also confirm that posting your name is infact a deal |
| 05:53.21 | Fisker | So thanks for agreeing with us olafski |
| 05:53.37 | olafski | hahaha |
| 05:53.40 | olafski | nice try fisker :) |
| 05:53.44 | Kraps | oof fisker has a logik |
| 05:53.45 | Fisker | You should've heeded Admiral Ackbar's advice better |
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| 05:53.50 | Fisker | it wasn't a try olafski |
| 05:53.53 | Fisker | it was a slam dunk |
| 05:53.57 | Jamash | 1. People with stalkers 2. People in Witness protection 3. Military 4. People with idiot bosses who will fire them for non-work activities 5. Children |
| 05:54.02 | Fisker | Officially the repurcusions for trolling will stay the same |
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| 05:54.15 | Fisker | The only reason why trolling will be diminish is because there's a good reason not to post your name |
| 05:54.31 | Jamash | Fisker's right, as astonishing as that may be |
| 05:54.32 | Fisker | And in that case it's still easily "solved" by linking it to an unique identifier instead |
| 05:55.06 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: there are more things to add to that list, one i saw was a person in criminal forensics that said they dont want people they testify against to be able to find them on wow |
| 05:55.25 | Jamash | Yeah, anyone in any way involved with the legal system, basically |
| 05:55.34 | Jamash | anyone even mildly famous |
| 05:55.35 | Antiarc | Anonyminity is an important part of the escape associated with video games |
| 05:55.43 | Antiarc | It's insane to think of stripping it away. |
| 05:55.49 | Fisker | Just a FYI btw |
| 05:56.02 | Fisker | a person spent 6 months finding a person who had KNIFED HIM IN CS just to stab him |
| 05:56.02 | Jamash | anyone who works with children |
| 05:56.13 | Fisker | Blizzard is cutting down that time by months |
| 05:56.21 | Jamash | true |
| 05:56.34 | frontendloader | eh |
| 05:56.40 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: yes i mentioned the school teacher one since they can get fired for the most minor of things that can be found on the internet |
| 05:56.43 | Kraps | and its all about providing "an ideal place for gamers to form long-lasting, meaningful relationships" |
| 05:56.48 | Kraps | fuck that |
| 05:56.52 | Antiarc | No it's not |
| 05:56.52 | Jamash | ^ |
| 05:56.58 | Jamash | ^ to kraps |
| 05:57.00 | Antiarc | It's about "monetizing the shit out of our consumer base" |
| 05:57.06 | Kraps | this isnt sesame street |
| 05:57.07 | Antiarc | It's not for the players. |
| 05:57.09 | Jamash | how does realid get them more money? |
| 05:57.10 | Antiarc | It's for the advertisers. |
| 05:57.15 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 05:57.21 | Jamash | the advertisers already have access to our data |
| 05:57.40 | Antiarc | Jamash: It helps grow the subscriber base by making the fact that you play more widely advertised, turning you into an advertising conduit |
| 05:57.47 | Trela | Jamash: Transgender, Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual... It goes on. |
| 05:58.08 | Antiarc | WoW's subscriber base has sorta plateaued |
| 05:58.13 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: oh god that social advertising crap |
| 05:58.23 | Antiarc | They're trying to "go viral" by turning WoW into facebook with goblins |
| 05:58.24 | Jamash | hey I know |
| 05:58.27 | tekkub | I like "flatchested" over "plateued" |
| 05:58.33 | Jamash | let's just put wow ON FACEBOOK |
| 05:58.38 | Antiarc | Oh that's coming |
| 05:58.43 | tekkub | goldfarmville |
| 05:58.47 | Jamash | lol |
| 05:58.53 | Antiarc | Joe Schmoe just reached level 4 in World of Warcraft! |
| 05:58.59 | Jamash | well that's already there |
| 05:59.00 | Antiarc | Click here to download a free trial and join Joe in Azeroth! |
| 05:59.06 | Jamash | and that |
| 05:59.06 | Arrowmaster | i fucking hate all that 'like us on facebook to receive special offers' and 'retweet this to enter our contest' |
| 05:59.09 | Antiarc | I work for a social media company, I know how this game is played |
| 05:59.11 | Fisker | i told you that social networking integration was the cancer killing gaming :( |
| 05:59.14 | Antiarc | And the suits that don't get it are -poison- |
| 05:59.25 | tekkub | I tend to un-follow people that retweet that shit |
| 05:59.36 | Jamash | Let's go all the way with realid |
| 05:59.37 | tekkub | so report them as spam, and the person they're retweeting |
| 05:59.48 | Jamash | publish the telephone directory of activision blizzard |
| 06:00.09 | Jamash | let us have a "real personal experience" with the guys making these decisions |
| 06:00.14 | Antiarc | http://developer.linkedin.com/index.jspa just FYI |
| 06:00.19 | Antiarc | Gonna roll that with the RealID crap |
| 06:00.25 | Antiarc | Then things will get super interesting |
| 06:00.30 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: i did once but with a sarcastic message about corporate tools |
| 06:00.45 | Arrowmaster | then i think i deleted it later |
| 06:00.46 | Antiarc | Hover a person on the WoW forums to get their gearscore, job, estimated salary, and known associates! |
| 06:01.08 | Fisker | i wonder if Bashiok has employeed bodyguards or something |
| 06:01.28 | Arrowmaster | that reminds me i need to update my linkedin profile |
| 06:01.39 | Jamash | Antiarc: Also photos of their children and location of their schools. |
| 06:02.50 | tekkub | That reminds me I need to delete me linkedin profile |
| 06:03.06 | tekkub | just like facebook, I have no idea why I joined that |
| 06:03.19 | tekkub | some tard sent me an invite that made it past the spam filter |
| 06:03.31 | Jamash | http://achewood.com/index.php?date=01112007 |
| 06:03.37 | Arrowmaster | i dont know why i have one either but im unemployed so it wouldnt hurt |
| 06:04.32 | durcyn | i know zero people who've gotten jobs because they had linkedin accounts |
| 06:04.51 | Kraps | is this the longest thread evar? |
| 06:05.18 | Fisker | i think so |
| 06:05.22 | Jamash | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1260043/Chinese-video-gamer-survives-stabbed-head-cheating-accusation.html |
| 06:05.24 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: yeah but its not like i wont get one for having one |
| 06:05.34 | tekkub | you might |
| 06:05.36 | tekkub | never know |
| 06:05.46 | Shirik | nice Jamash |
| 06:05.51 | Shirik | I want one of those USB things |
| 06:06.50 | Trela | Antiarc: I am already working on a web site that will scrap RealIDs, show their characters, and relevant personal information. |
| 06:06.54 | Jamash | for murdering people over the internet? |
| 06:07.24 | Fisker | lol |
| 06:07.24 | Shirik | I imagine it would work like a consensus utility |
| 06:07.27 | Shirik | double-edged sword |
| 06:07.32 | Shirik | you put yourself at risk |
| 06:07.37 | Shirik | for the right to vote on others |
| 06:07.38 | Fisker | "This Real ID thing will go on until about the first blue gets killed" |
| 06:07.50 | Jamash | nah |
| 06:07.53 | Jamash | tires slashed, maybe |
| 06:08.10 | tekkub | blue? no |
| 06:08.16 | tekkub | talk to activision :P |
| 06:08.27 | Jamash | where does bobby kotick live, anyway? |
| 06:09.10 | tekkub | you know exactly how this went down: "[blue] hey lets implement cross game chat" "[activision guy] IT HAS TO BE LIKE FACEBBOOK" |
| 06:09.12 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: just for that, i'm taking points off for every social network the next person i interview has accounts on |
| 06:09.20 | tekkub | "[blue] damnit" |
| 06:09.22 | Corrodias | n a golden palace atop a damond mne hll |
| 06:09.26 | Corrodias | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.34 | Jamash | uh oh |
| 06:09.42 | Trela | Fisker: First sixteen year old white girl to get raped. That will make things change super fast.(I hate this stereotype, but the media outlets eat it up.) |
| 06:09.43 | Arrowmaster | <Kraps> "On a related note, I wonder if Kotick will ever get assassinated by some crazed autistic gamer." |
| 06:09.45 | Corrodias | now my k key -s go-ng, too |
| 06:09.46 | Arrowmaster | <Arrowmaster> i would assassinate him if i had a reasonable chance of getting away with it |
| 06:10.03 | Jamash | Corrodias: this is what you get for rolling your face against the keyboard too much |
| 06:10.14 | Corrodias | but never played a warlock |
| 06:10.20 | Corrodias | well okay only for 40 levels ._. |
| 06:11.04 | tekkub | I honestly find it very interesting that they're making employees that post to the forums show their names |
| 06:11.20 | Arrowmaster | well that wasnt really secret info before |
| 06:11.20 | tekkub | usually companies are very anal about protecting at least a person's last name |
| 06:11.36 | Jamash | again, the game credits have full names in them |
| 06:11.41 | Arrowmaster | except for the low level people like just forum moderators |
| 06:11.49 | Jamash | so not really that anal at all |
| 06:12.03 | tekkub | and how many of those credits are real? |
| 06:12.14 | tekkub | authors use pseudonyms for a reason |
| 06:12.25 | Arrowmaster | recently? not many considering all the bullshit publishers have been pulling |
| 06:12.40 | Jamash | My real name is on a bunch of video games |
| 06:12.44 | tekkub | and yea I mean more like public-dealing employees |
| 06:12.49 | Jamash | I'm not going to say which ones for obvious reasons |
| 06:12.50 | bluspacecow | O_O 794 pages on that thread |
| 06:13.01 | tekkub | go to the grocery store and try to find out a cashier's full name |
| 06:13.05 | tekkub | they get mean |
| 06:13.09 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: how about just when they were released and if they were any good? |
| 06:13.32 | Jamash | during the 21st century, and not really, except one |
| 06:13.49 | Jamash | I was QA |
| 06:13.56 | Jamash | don't blame me |
| 06:14.07 | tekkub | I just can't fathom what goes through the people's minds that are making these decisions except "OMG Facebook games make money we have to do that" |
| 06:14.08 | Arrowmaster | have you seen the credits for recent games? |
| 06:14.12 | Antiarc | http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Danielle%20Vanderlip#:171673267 |
| 06:14.20 | Antiarc | That was exactly about 4 seconds worth of thought |
| 06:14.22 | Arrowmaster | one i watched had the fucking publishers lawyers in it |
| 06:14.30 | Antiarc | (That's Nethaera) |
| 06:14.38 | Arrowmaster | the fucking publishers god damn lawyers |
| 06:14.48 | Arrowmaster | in the game credits |
| 06:14.59 | Kraps | Antiarc: fucking awesome right? |
| 06:15.04 | Kraps | wait no |
| 06:15.19 | Jamash | World of Warcraft\Data\enUS\Documentation\Manual_WLK.pdf |
| 06:15.35 | Jamash | got probably a thousand names in it |
| 06:16.26 | Jamash | now wait until someone starts tracking down the "thanks to" names |
| 06:16.36 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 06:19.09 | Kraps | 800 pages, time for bed |
| 06:19.15 | Arrowmaster | if i ever end up in the credits for a game and get to put something in a 'thanks to' its going to be a hidden message |
| 06:20.13 | Dagmar | Kraps: I think we'll probably see something from Blizz tomorrow |
| 06:20.13 | Jamash | I generally put thanks to my dog |
| 06:20.18 | Jerub | iphone5 preview: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23301604@N07/4764273405/sizes/l/ |
| 06:20.29 | Arrowmaster | like take the message, rot13 it, convert the characters to alternative unicode characters that look the same, convert to octal because nobody fucking expects octal |
| 06:20.30 | Jamash | hurrrrr |
| 06:21.01 | Dagmar | jerub: Hehe. Oh come on. It's nothing that can't be fixed with a good, thick coat of enamel over that shiny aluminum |
| 06:21.25 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: or a $30 licensed accessory from apple |
| 06:21.31 | Arrowmaster | or is it $20? |
| 06:21.33 | Jamash | iphone cozy, this holiday's big handicraft |
| 06:21.51 | Dagmar | I'm too busy facepalming right now to remember. |
| 06:22.16 | Dagmar | I spent a couple hours beating on my Myth box remotely trying to figure out why it wasn't recording anything, and giving no errors... Just immediately stopping the recordings. |
| 06:22.32 | Jamash | See, now, if Blizzard had a phone with the problem the iphone 4 has |
| 06:22.43 | Dagmar | I might have solved the problem a lot sooner had I been anywhere near the thing and noticed that somehow the cable reciever box was OFF. |
| 06:22.44 | Jamash | their solution would be to simply not make phone calls |
| 06:23.06 | Jamash | ever |
| 06:23.12 | Dagmar | At least my db is a lot faster now that I've wiped it |
| 06:23.38 | bleeter | lol |
| 06:24.09 | Dagmar | Now to sort through um... 320Gb of recordings, all with fun filenames like 1057_32099204923940.mpg |
| 06:24.36 | Arrowmaster | why? |
| 06:24.42 | Arrowmaster | and .mpg? |
| 06:24.53 | Dagmar | That's the way they come out of the myth box |
| 06:25.10 | durcyn | your myth box is doing it shitty, then. |
| 06:25.12 | Dagmar | *Normally* there's a whole MySQL database of metadata about them so you don't have to see 'em like that |
| 06:25.23 | Arrowmaster | eww |
| 06:25.25 | Arrowmaster | mysql |
| 06:25.29 | Dagmar | mpg is just a container. The files are all h.264 encoded |
| 06:26.52 | Dagmar | I may hack up 6200ch a bit so that it actually looks to see if the box is OFF |
| 06:27.39 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yeah, I wish there was a less onerous option for that |
| 06:27.44 | Dagmar | It's a _bit_ overkill |
| 06:28.04 | Jamash | God Hand ending credits: best thing ever, or bestest thing ever? |
| 06:31.17 | Fisker | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ <-lol |
| 06:32.38 | bluspacecow | "an ideal place for gamers to form long-lasting, meaningful relationships" <---- and how exactly does real ID names on forums change what already happens today without real names ????? |
| 06:32.41 | bluspacecow | what the shit |
| 06:33.00 | bluspacecow | not really angry about it yet just got my WTF face on right now |
| 06:33.35 | Corrodias | s blzzard startng a datng servce? |
| 06:33.47 | Dagmar | They have forgotten the lessons we learned in the 90's. |
| 06:33.55 | Dagmar | If you provide real names, you get stalkers. |
| 06:34.16 | Dagmar | Hell, you get stalkers _anyway_, they just have more tools at their disposal with something like someone's birth name. |
| 06:34.28 | Dagmar | It doesn't have to spawn "new" stalkers--the stalkers were already there. |
| 06:35.10 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (spode@213.21.119.83) |
| 06:35.22 | Dagmar | "If they've got the Battle.net account system in place, why not allow us to choose a single nickname associated with the Battle.net account." <-- this is HOPEFULLY what they'll fall back to |
| 06:35.45 | Dagmar | For sure it's the sane option that solves at least most of the issues without creating massive new issues |
| 06:36.09 | Jamash | yeah |
| 06:36.25 | Jamash | like, uh, every other website on the entire internet |
| 06:36.59 | Dagmar | Most other websites can't take away your 80's and bin them if you act like a c*ckt*rd |
| 06:37.44 | Jamash | so even less reason to need such a ridiculous system |
| 06:38.12 | Dagmar | Yeah they're throwing the baby out with the bathwater on this one |
| 06:38.29 | Jamash | let's not go there again |
| 06:38.42 | Dagmar | I didn't go there before. |
| 06:39.41 | Jamash | there was an extensive discussion of that metaphor in relation to the word "literally" earlier today in this channel |
| 06:41.29 | Jamash | so if I were to write an addon that would allow users to "rename" items (as viewed on their client) would I be screwing up data aggregation plugins like wowhead's uploader? |
| 06:43.14 | Dagmar | Jamash: Yes, I remember the discussion because I said "they've literally got a baby and bathwater problem here" |
| 06:43.30 | Dagmar | ...which is a _correct_ usage. |
| 06:43.41 | Jamash | <Jamash>let's not go there again |
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| 06:43.46 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 06:44.17 | Dagmar | Jamash: Only if you diddled up the data used by the calls that normally ID stuff |
| 06:44.41 | Jamash | instead, let's discuss my idea for the new warlock spell, "Pimp Hand of Gul'dan" |
| 06:44.48 | Dagmar | I've seen other addons that will let you apply notes to stuff in your inventory |
| 06:44.54 | Jamash | okay |
| 06:45.05 | Dagmar | I don't see why you can't do that for eveyrthing else, provided you put in your own calls to query your data just like these do |
| 06:45.23 | Dagmar | I certainly wouldn't mind renaming Hellfire to "Rageface". |
| 06:45.26 | Jamash | so like modifying tooltips is ok but not hooking into core item functions |
| 06:45.44 | Dagmar | afaik it's more that ok, it's the proper way to do it |
| 06:45.50 | Dagmar | s/that/than/ |
| 06:46.41 | Dagmar | I was rather hoping to name soul shards, but that seems problematic |
| 06:46.50 | Jamash | oh there's an addon for that |
| 06:47.00 | Jamash | it tracks what mob you got them from |
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| 06:47.12 | Dagmar | To name soul shards? ...and it can figure out which ones were which? |
| 06:47.21 | Jamash | I think it remembers them by slot |
| 06:47.24 | Dagmar | I could never find a static and unique number to apply them to |
| 06:47.26 | Dagmar | Ah... Yeah |
| 06:47.32 | Jamash | I don't think individual shards have any identity |
| 06:47.38 | Dagmar | They don't afaik |
| 06:47.43 | Jamash | like electrons |
| 06:48.28 | Arrowmaster | last time i looked there was an addon that did it poorly using stupid methods like first in last out kinda shit and i found a way to do it properly using the full itemlink and was writing an addon to do it but i never finished it |
| 06:49.04 | Jamash | well let me log in my lock and do sum /dump testing |
| 06:49.13 | Dagmar | Go for it. Something might have changed |
| 06:49.20 | Arrowmaster | it did a very long time ago |
| 06:49.24 | Arrowmaster | i found this out in 2.0 |
| 06:49.32 | Arrowmaster | like 2.0 not 2.1 |
| 06:49.40 | Dagmar | It would certainly be cool to leave a BG with a bunch of names on the shards |
| 06:49.45 | jnwhiteh | Do we know any nutritionists? |
| 06:49.53 | jnwhiteh | I'd love to get in touch with one to chat for a bit |
| 06:50.11 | Jamash | yep, they're unique |
| 06:50.31 | bluspacecow | @antuiac "Danielle Vanderlip" ... who is that (sorry about 40 minutes behind catching up on posts) |
| 06:51.35 | Arrowmaster | only reason i never finished my addon was i didnt want to deal with figuring out who the shard came from with situations like using shadowburn because of the 5 second window |
| 06:51.54 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.55 | Wobin | bluspacecow: Nethaera |
| 06:52.00 | Jamash | "|cffffffff|Hitem:6265:0:0:0:0:0:0:364395104:72|h[Soul Shard]|h|r" |
| 06:52.17 | bluspacecow | i see thanks (now @ 6.22pm) |
| 06:52.29 | Jamash | 6265 is soul shard |
| 06:52.43 | Jamash | 364395104 is the unique item id |
| 06:52.58 | Jamash | that's pretty cool |
| 06:53.14 | Arrowmaster | i could have told you this years ago |
| 06:53.18 | Dagmar | That's useful |
| 06:55.52 | Jamash | well I didn't really play my lock much until recently |
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| 06:57.21 | Jamash | I wonder how that works with stackable items |
| 06:57.26 | bluspacecow | finally caught up ! |
| 06:57.37 | Arrowmaster | stackable items dont have uniqueids afaik |
| 06:57.40 | Dagmar | Jamash: "poorly" I suspect |
| 06:57.46 | Arrowmaster | that or they all have the same one |
| 06:57.54 | Dagmar | You can still screw yourself by stacking items with expiry timers |
| 06:58.00 | bluspacecow | hmm not sure have you pulled the +wowhead_looter addon apart yet ? |
| 06:58.01 | Jamash | stackables seem to have no unique id |
| 06:58.10 | Jamash | bluspacecow: nah |
| 06:58.14 | Arrowmaster | you can also reset the timer depending on how you do it |
| 06:58.16 | Jamash | irc is easier than work |
| 06:58.27 | bluspacecow | wouldn't that tell you ? |
| 06:58.32 | Jamash | sure |
| 06:58.36 | Dagmar | Yeah the last time I messed with it, the entire stack got the lowest value |
| 06:58.36 | bluspacecow | ah i see ...path of least resistance |
| 06:58.43 | Jamash | exactly |
| 06:59.35 | airtonix | the answer is 42 |
| 06:59.50 | bleeter | well there's something you don't see every day... I think this guy's saying he's having more fun watching Blizz shoot themselves in the foot over RealID than attending ICBM training |
| 07:00.24 | Jamash | huh |
| 07:00.30 | bluspacecow | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/lolz/image002.jpg |
| 07:00.32 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 07:06.39 | bluspacecow | wonder if they knew they were going to be to be doing this when they spoke of that battle.net thing |
| 07:07.17 | Dagmar | I doubt the entire staff knew about it |
| 07:07.30 | Dagmar | Surely _someone_ would have seen this oming |
| 07:07.34 | Jamash | you know they put up this "poll" thing on the forums |
| 07:07.43 | bluspacecow | *battle.net 2.0 thing |
| 07:07.49 | Jamash | that as far as I know they have never used for anything genuinely important |
| 07:07.54 | bluspacecow | when was battle.net 2.0 annonced ? |
| 07:09.21 | Dagmar | I'm kinda hoping this is a red herring... that they'r really looking to give everyone a really *bad* option, so that when they come out later and say "You must pick ONE pseudonym for your Battle.net account and it can never be changed" everyone will say "Thanks!" instead of carping about it |
| 07:09.49 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626050165&sid=1 |
| 07:09.59 | Jamash | or mandatory facebook integration |
| 07:10.06 | Dagmar | I'd quit. |
| 07:10.11 | Dagmar | I don't trust Facebook. |
| 07:10.50 | bluspacecow | on FB it's way too easy to leave parts of your profile open to non friends |
| 07:11.27 | Dagmar | That and should FB get hacked and someone get all that info for spearfishing, FB doesn't suffer |
| 07:12.43 | Dagmar | bluespacecow: I'd say it's a virus, but he's on a Mac. Maybe it's filesystem corruption or bad RAM screwing up his browser cache |
| 07:13.06 | Dagmar | ...not that viruses can't happen on Macs, but it changes which occurrence is more likely |
| 07:13.39 | Jamash | riddle me this: why can I create soulstones when my inventory is full, but not healthstones? |
| 07:14.08 | Dagmar | You can't. |
| 07:14.12 | airtonix | yes |
| 07:14.20 | airtonix | they just dissapear into your ass |
| 07:14.39 | Dagmar | If yer inventory is full, they just "go away" |
| 07:14.41 | bluspacecow | does he specifically say he's on a mac ? |
| 07:14.51 | bluspacecow | it could be a dns issue as well i think |
| 07:14.53 | Dagmar | bluespacwcow: Look at the name of the forum |
| 07:15.04 | bluspacecow | your assuming hes on mac |
| 07:15.09 | bluspacecow | we get people in that forums |
| 07:15.12 | Jamash | Yes I can |
| 07:15.13 | bluspacecow | with PC's |
| 07:15.14 | Dagmar | You're right tho', it could be a nameserver that's seriously messed up |
| 07:15.15 | Jamash | I just did |
| 07:15.23 | bluspacecow | the icons are exactly the same |
| 07:15.25 | Jamash | he's stealing wifi, end of story |
| 07:15.38 | airtonix | and too stupid to use opendns |
| 07:15.40 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: i would blame the shitty ad networks and their shitty code |
| 07:15.43 | bluspacecow | what , what ... please explain better |
| 07:15.49 | Dagmar | bluespacecow: *Usually* such redirects take the person to places like everydayhealth.com and other folks who aren't real bright about who they pay for referrals, not MSN |
| 07:17.41 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if his homepage is msn.com or something |
| 07:18.02 | bleeter | ouch, nice |
| 07:18.03 | bleeter | http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function |
| 07:18.49 | Cairenn | yeah, and even worse, that isn't him |
| 07:18.53 | Cairenn | it's some other guy |
| 07:19.08 | bleeter | oh dear |
| 07:19.33 | Cairenn | and 4chan is pranking them |
| 07:20.00 | Cairenn | s/pranking/harrassing/ |
| 07:20.27 | Antiarc | The whole thing just reeks of some suit in an MBA issuing a decree from on high because he read about the facebooks and all their moneys in the Wall Street Journal. |
| 07:20.37 | Antiarc | s/in an MBA/with an MBA/ |
| 07:20.50 | bleeter | yup yup yup |
| 07:20.56 | Arrowmaster | except facebook doesnt have money |
| 07:21.01 | bleeter | all for the sake on an Alias field in your account details |
| 07:21.09 | Antiarc | But they're valued at two hundred bajillion!!!11 |
| 07:21.20 | Arrowmaster | yeah which was fucking retarded |
| 07:21.25 | bleeter | Antiarc: that's clearly before the most recent stock crash :P |
| 07:21.36 | Jamash | the mybooks and friendspaces are hot, can we synergize this with our core competency in monetizing eyeballs with interactive entertainments? |
| 07:21.57 | Arrowmaster | they were given a value not based on what they were currently worth but more of a potential value it seemed |
| 07:22.27 | Antiarc | it's paper money |
| 07:22.30 | Antiarc | It's very common |
| 07:22.45 | Jamash | no, no, it's not paper money |
| 07:22.47 | Arrowmaster | like 'we have this many users so if we can figure out how to use that to make money each user is worth that much' |
| 07:22.49 | Antiarc | If I had as much money liquid as I theoretically have on paper, I'd live very differently :P |
| 07:22.49 | Jamash | it's paper paper money |
| 07:23.11 | Jamash | originally, metal money was worth something |
| 07:23.19 | Jamash | paper money represents the value of metal money |
| 07:23.22 | Antiarc | I'm aware of fiat currency. |
| 07:23.29 | Jamash | paper paper money represents the value of paper money |
| 07:23.34 | bluspacecow | kk later guys |
| 07:23.38 | Antiarc | Paper money used to represent the value of some backing precious metal. |
| 07:23.43 | Jamash | which is to say, a fiction propped up by a fiction |
| 07:23.45 | krka | i'm gonna blow your mind now.... ready? |
| 07:23.46 | Antiarc | That hasn't been the case for some 70-odd years now |
| 07:23.50 | krka | paper paper paper money! |
| 07:23.57 | Jamash | krka: Derivatives! |
| 07:24.13 | Arrowmaster | monopoly money represents what the big corporations use |
| 07:24.25 | Jamash | I always play the car |
| 07:24.31 | Jamash | vroom vroom |
| 07:24.41 | Arrowmaster | i never play board games |
| 07:24.45 | krka | if your company is on the stock market, you could of course trade the paper paper money for paper money |
| 07:25.00 | Jamash | or you could sell paper paper paper money for paper money |
| 07:25.24 | Jamash | or you could sell your shorts |
| 07:25.33 | krka | you wish! |
| 07:25.34 | Jamash | I've never been clear why so many people want to buy paper shorts |
| 07:25.42 | Arrowmaster | dont even get me started on the stock market and how fucked up it is |
| 07:25.44 | Jamash | sounds itchy |
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| 07:26.21 | Jamash | I'm going to patent a financial derivative which is an option on itself |
| 07:27.13 | Jamash | of course, since the derivative is the same as the original, I've just invented e^x |
| 07:29.25 | Jamash | for your homework, come up with at least four geometric proofs of Pythagorus's Theorem using only a container of presliced provolone and a butter knife |
| 07:30.02 | airtonix | pants |
| 07:30.30 | krka | how do you prove that two different proofs arent isomorphic? |
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| 07:34.01 | Fisker | So battle.net is going to reveal my name is John Sheppard when posting? How is a fictional character suppose to lay low and avoid detection from the Wraith? Screw long range scanners, they will only need Google and my sir name >.< |
| 07:34.01 | Fisker | GG Blizzard, Atlantis is doomed. |
| 07:34.03 | Fisker | lold |
| 07:36.49 | Fisker | slaps Guest48795 around a bit with a large trout |
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| 07:50.06 | Torhal | Fisker: I could have sworn you were Tealc. You know, being mild-mannered and all. |
| 07:50.54 | harl | oO |
| 07:51.52 | Fisker | Indeed |
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| 08:08.34 | Fisker | i indeeded you Torhal |
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| 08:09.30 | Torhal | Fisker: Indeed. |
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| 08:22.12 | Satisfyme | i all |
| 08:22.17 | Satisfyme | Hi* |
| 08:25.13 | airtonix | no |
| 08:26.01 | airtonix | Fisker, you play too many linear video games. |
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| 08:34.37 | airtonix | http://www.neowin.net/news/hdmi-to-be-replaced-with-an-ethernet-cable? |
| 08:35.59 | airtonix | daisy chained multimonitor madness! |
| 08:42.53 | bleeter | nice |
| 08:43.03 | bleeter | not before time, too |
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| 08:46.48 | Fisker | Indeed |
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| 09:23.03 | Industrial | You know pirates have 'Yarr', Ninja's have silence, Robots have blip-blop but what does a Viking yell? |
| 09:23.16 | krka | ÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃÃLLLLLLL |
| 09:23.36 | Industrial | okay . |
| 09:24.26 | Industrial | guess thats a motive as good as any vor a viking |
| 09:33.26 | Kaso | Either im being very childish or reuters is being very childish, im not sure which: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6622I420100703 |
| 09:34.52 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure reuters is trolling the world :) |
| 09:35.42 | mikma | krka: beeeer! |
| 09:36.00 | Industrial | mikma: way ahead of you! |
| 09:36.27 | mikma | industrial: not a miracle, since i don't drink alcohol =) |
| 09:36.51 | Industrial | :o you don't? |
| 09:36.52 | Arrowmaster | you know every news articles headline now is created for SEO and not for people to read |
| 09:37.11 | Arrowmaster | just dont know what kinda SEO they were hoping for with that |
| 09:37.23 | Industrial | I just don't mess with that ever. SEO. unless i really really have to at work or something (which is never practically). |
| 09:37.38 | mikma | industrial: havent had a drink since christmas 2008 |
| 09:37.41 | Industrial | its marketing and i HATE marketing |
| 09:38.01 | Industrial | well, mostly |
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| 10:08.31 | Wobin | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20100706 |
| 10:08.45 | Wobin | we need more Hypocrisy Bear |
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| 10:11.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | "Oh my God! Its Gary Coleman!" |
| 10:12.50 | Torhal | Kaso: That reminds me of an incident in Virginia beach about 10 years ago...Cox cable changed their channel assignments, and the Fox network was put in the low 100 mark which pissed them off. Someone on the news said "Fox wants to go down on Cox." |
| 10:13.07 | airtonix | http://plugins.jquery.com/project/ajax_terminal |
| 10:13.14 | airtonix | http://n0nick.net/jquery/terminal/ |
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| 10:15.24 | airtonix | it's being used to provide a drush terminal for drupal admins |
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| 10:19.42 | Fisker | man these people are thick |
| 10:19.50 | Fisker | "It won't happen to me, hence it's not an issue" |
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| 10:22.03 | airtonix | Fisker, have you got your ninja outfit ready to prove them wrong. |
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| 10:22.19 | airtonix | nothing like liberal use of ninja swords to prove a point |
| 10:27.56 | Wobin | one of my favourite pieces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2LJ1i7222c&feature=channel |
| 10:30.50 | airtonix | wtf? |
| 10:32.12 | Maldivia | sylvanaar_atwork: you quoting Avenue Q? |
| 10:32.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | yep |
| 10:33.16 | Maldivia | very funny, saw it last year :P |
| 10:35.04 | Torhal | sylvanaar_atwork: FYI: AltNames, History, Substitutions, and UrlCopy all have ChatFrameEditBox references. |
| 10:35.10 | Torhal | AltNames blew up on my last night. |
| 10:35.15 | Torhal | s/my/me/ |
| 10:35.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | im going to work on it some more this weekend, thanks for the heads up |
| 10:35.32 | Torhal | np |
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| 10:38.53 | Industrial | Fat people are the worst addicts. They always know their drugs is coming to them, they don't have no drugs. |
| 10:38.59 | Industrial | (food) |
| 10:39.16 | Kalroth | food and water is a drug |
| 10:39.25 | Kalroth | Everyone is addicted to it |
| 10:39.28 | Wobin | pft, I can stop taking them any time |
| 10:39.45 | Kalroth | Wobin: I got a treatment center, 30 days without water! |
| 10:39.45 | Industrial | I mean thats why its hard for them to stop |
| 10:40.06 | Industrial | $colleague orders chicken wings and THEN starts complaining about his knees. |
| 10:40.12 | Industrial | fail, imho. |
| 10:40.21 | Kalroth | but they're so good |
| 10:42.11 | Wobin | Torhal: sometimes the headlines write themselves - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6622I420100703 |
| 10:42.25 | Wobin | ugh |
| 10:42.28 | Wobin | relink fail |
| 10:43.21 | Wobin | hm, what should I have for dinner? |
| 10:45.01 | Maldivia | Wobin: could as the Dutch soccer player if he would like another boot :P |
| 10:45.29 | Industrial | Wobin: "Pannekoeken", clearly. |
| 10:46.38 | Industrial | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannekoek |
| 10:46.42 | Industrial | owww yeah.... :] |
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| 11:30.19 | Fisker | I would make a joke here |
| 11:30.24 | Adys | Did you know: you can doubleclick youtube videos for fullscreen |
| 11:31.35 | cbreak_work | yes |
| 11:31.50 | cbreak_work | and single click for pause/play |
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| 12:11.14 | Maldivia | cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q3FFn4bAEA :) |
| 12:15.37 | amro | and triiple click to crash flash |
| 12:31.47 | Fisker | Cairenn |
| 12:31.52 | Fisker | blues are calling you a scaremongerer |
| 12:32.06 | Cairenn | Fisker: somehow I doubt that :) |
| 12:32.45 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816838128&sid=1&pageNo=203#4053 |
| 12:32.52 | Fisker | According to wryxian our concerns are mere scaremongering |
| 12:33.20 | Fisker | maybe that guy who said all girls playing wow were fat and unattractive and therefor wouldn't get targetted for harassment was right" |
| 12:33.21 | Fisker | ! |
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| 12:39.22 | amro | according to wryxian, scaring off all the MVPs is how increase the amount of constructive posts |
| 12:39.44 | cbreak_work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBwTpHNZDpQ |
| 12:40.51 | Cairenn | not just the MVPs, although they may not realize that |
| 12:41.24 | Fisker | I'm hands off calling Wryxian the biggest troll in that thread |
| 12:41.28 | amro | yes, but the MVPs are the most noticeable, and they have a "good poster" stamp from blizzard |
| 12:41.52 | Cairenn | s/realize/realize &or care/ |
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| 12:44.59 | Fisker | i'm done atleast |
| 12:45.10 | Fisker | i've helped people on the IGCS forums every since they were launched in EU |
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| 12:46.34 | amro | I still don't get this. what's stopping someone with a name like John Brown from trolling anyway? |
| 12:48.08 | airtonix | i smell lulz |
| 12:49.15 | Fisker | amro it's hilarious |
| 12:49.33 | Fisker | The only reason why trolling would stop is if the troll would fear his own health by doing so |
| 12:49.40 | Fisker | Our argument is that it could lead to out of game violence |
| 12:49.42 | Fisker | ??? |
| 12:49.45 | Fisker | universe explodes |
| 12:50.00 | Maldivia | amro: nothing, but you can't change between 10 different level 1 chars |
| 12:50.16 | airtonix | i love the people who argue the line like being anon is a crime |
| 12:50.36 | airtonix | brb just checking for hidden cameras behind my paintings |
| 12:50.40 | Fisker | that only helps midly with in-thread trolling Maldivia |
| 12:50.45 | theorbtwo | Meh, also, it means it's a lot less socially acceptable to have a serious character that you use the forums seriously on, and another one that you troll on to blow off steam. |
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| 12:50.48 | Fisker | i.e. making it a bit easier to call |
| 12:51.00 | Fisker | But you don't need to do 10 level 1s to troll anyway |
| 12:51.07 | Fisker | i usually troll on my main without issue |
| 12:51.17 | Fisker | just a question about being within the forum rules when doing so |
| 12:51.42 | Fisker | Any seasoned troll will be able to avoid being banned anyway and still piss people off |
| 12:52.35 | theorbtwo | I tend to think that what's needed is a reputaion system combined with a single name per WoW account (that neededn't be related to your real name). |
| 12:53.02 | theorbtwo | Probably just make it be the account name (and require the account to have an authenticator to post to the forums). |
| 12:53.08 | cbreak_work | something like the account name... if there was something like that |
| 12:53.11 | Fisker | i'm against karma systems |
| 12:53.15 | Fisker | it's so much a pissing contest |
| 12:53.26 | airtonix | btw i find it easier to not play the game than harbour any delusion that a 'petition' against is will even matter. |
| 12:53.30 | Maldivia | yeah, when you create your b.net account, you get to set a forum-name as well, that you cannot change, and preferably unique |
| 12:53.34 | Fisker | but i don't mind if you can set a main character and/or see all their alts |
| 12:53.38 | Fisker | btw |
| 12:53.41 | Fisker | if you want to troll |
| 12:53.47 | Fisker | you can just stop attaching characters to it |
| 12:54.03 | theorbtwo | Fisker: Yeah, but then you need to buy two accounts, no? |
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| 12:55.07 | Fisker | i just mean for purposes of not identifying it to an in-game character |
| 12:55.17 | Fisker | many trolls these days are "lol endgame content is ez" etc. anyway |
| 12:56.10 | Fisker | i think i got the perfect analogy now |
| 12:56.23 | Fisker | Blizzard is like a person standing on top of a bridge being shouted at not to jump |
| 12:56.26 | Fisker | But they still do it |
| 12:56.27 | Fisker | :3 |
| 12:56.44 | Fisker | i'd probably be banned for that |
| 12:57.38 | Maldivia | Fisker: problem is no the jumping, it's the landing on the people shouting :P |
| 13:00.51 | Lopeppeppy | It's not the falling, it's the sudden stop at the end. |
| 13:02.48 | airtonix | so you can setup a wow account under fake name ? |
| 13:02.59 | airtonix | oh wait |
| 13:03.06 | Thunder_Child | you can |
| 13:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, sure, I would imagine so. IF you pay with game cards and IF you never need to recover it. |
| 13:03.19 | airtonix | yeah i remembered all those trial accounts i made for testing |
| 13:03.32 | foxlit | can trial accounts be my realid friends? |
| 13:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | good question, foxlit. |
| 13:04.53 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it |
| 13:05.20 | airtonix | if you really value your freedom you won't bargain with the people who hold it ransom... |
| 13:05.36 | airtonix | just stop playing the game. |
| 13:06.19 | Maldivia | don't see why trial accounts can't be realid friends, realid is on the b.net account level, and that account isn't a trial |
| 13:06.20 | airtonix | time to engineer a breed of weed that grows in caves i think |
| 13:06.40 | foxlit | airtonix: start with stuff that grows under bridges, tbh :) |
| 13:06.43 | Jamash | what you want is a mushroom that produces cannabinoids |
| 13:06.47 | airtonix | ^ |
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| 13:08.44 | eidolarr | Maldivia: they will probably disable it to stop people from posting from trial accounts, which you already can't do |
| 13:09.02 | Jamash | I pointed out in a forum post that Amazon has an analogous service which is *completely optional* |
| 13:09.05 | mikma | lol, Monkey Island 2 has achievements |
| 13:09.42 | Maldivia | eidolarr: well, forum posting rights is linked to wow-account status on your b.net account |
| 13:09.48 | Jamash | they encourage but do not mandate the use of Real Names on reviews |
| 13:10.43 | eidolarr | Maldivia: true; I think it's too early to tell, trial accounts are restricted in seemingly arbitrary ways to curb abuse |
| 13:10.46 | Jamash | did you see the post about concerns using the tech support and gm forums which was basically "LOL USE OUR CRAPPY EMAIL SUPPORT LOL" |
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| 13:11.14 | airtonix | mikma, YEAH BIOTCH! |
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| 13:12.21 | Maldivia | eidolarr: I highly doubt the games you've added to your b.net account has any influence on how you can use the b.net account to interact with other b.net accounts, that would be a very very weird setup |
| 13:12.29 | eidolarr | Jamash: yeah the whole thing is a disappointment |
| 13:12.58 | eidolarr | Maldivia: yeah true, idk, I guess it depends on whether the gold traders can figure out a way to exploit it |
| 13:13.21 | Jamash | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816838128&sid=1&pageNo=163#postid21 |
| 13:13.35 | Maldivia | eidolarr: for instance if Blizzard opt to create an out-of-game chat client |
| 13:14.03 | Maldivia | eidolarr: it would make sense that you could still talk to your b.net friends, even if your wow account had expired |
| 13:15.15 | eidolarr | very true |
| 13:15.23 | Jamash | right |
| 13:15.56 | Jamash | if they're integrating with facebook, it seems likely that they might integrate with facebook chat |
| 13:16.09 | foxlit | There's an angle that's not covered by those posts yet |
| 13:16.21 | Maldivia | well, the FB integrations was mostly "let me extract all your frined from FB and add them as bnet friends" |
| 13:17.01 | Jamash | foxlit: do tell |
| 13:17.03 | eidolarr | Jamash: idk, that would imply you have to have a facebook account to use realid chat |
| 13:17.10 | foxlit | Namely, "My name is so unfortunate it would detract from any meaningful discussion started by me" |
| 13:17.22 | Jamash | Ah, the hitler mcstupidface problem |
| 13:17.49 | foxlit | A mutual acquaintance, then? :) |
| 13:17.58 | Jamash | eidolarr: no, I'm saying they could let you talk to bnet friends via facebook chat, not that you would have to have one to use the other |
| 13:18.22 | Maldivia | foxlit: a name like Richard Cumming, when shortened? |
| 13:18.51 | Jamash | http://www.richardcheese.com/ |
| 13:19.29 | eidolarr | Jamash: It seems unlikely, the chat systems are pretty different, and I doubt they want that much reliance on facebook |
| 13:19.57 | Jamash | or what happens when Dick Butkus wants to talk about druid healing |
| 13:20.20 | eidolarr | meh he is used to it from real life |
| 13:20.30 | Maldivia | they should just have collaborated with Valve and implemented Steam instead |
| 13:20.51 | eidolarr | yeah they are reimplementing a lot of it, they want sole control i guess |
| 13:21.07 | Jamash | I like steam so much better than this |
| 13:21.12 | Jamash | like a million times better |
| 13:21.38 | eidolarr | steam has issues but even back in the early beta, it was at least clear that their minds were in the right place |
| 13:21.55 | Jamash | I mentioned this yesterday, but did you know that if you add WoW as a launcher shortcut in Steam, you can use the Steam overlay inside wow while in fullscreen, including the Steam web browser? |
| 13:22.14 | foxlit | Works for anything |
| 13:22.38 | Maldivia | and I think Valve would have been very interested as well - they wouldn't mind 10 million new "customers" :P |
| 13:22.57 | Jamash | handy for checking wowhead while in fullscreen mode |
| 13:23.19 | eidolarr | I still don't get why STEAM starts with your computer automatically, and displays popups on start by default |
| 13:23.20 | foxlit | laptop > overlay |
| 13:23.25 | eidolarr | those seem like two boneheaded default settings |
| 13:23.35 | foxlit | No. |
| 13:23.35 | Jamash | um, my steam doesn't display popups on start |
| 13:23.42 | foxlit | They're very marketing-oriented default settings |
| 13:23.45 | Maldivia | eidolarr: the news popup is the very first think I disable when installing steam :P |
| 13:24.05 | foxlit | I just uncheck "start when $OS starts" |
| 13:24.12 | eidolarr | yeah me too |
| 13:24.34 | eidolarr | it's a dumb idea though in an otherwise philosophically sound service |
| 13:24.52 | Maldivia | same here, but that's more because I have it installed on multiple computers, and steam doesn't like being logged in from different places: P |
| 13:25.19 | airtonix | doesn't matter if you run steam through wine |
| 13:25.22 | airtonix | lololol |
| 13:25.26 | Jamash | http://store.steampowered.com/app/39000/ wtf |
| 13:26.36 | eidolarr | hahaha it's like a late 90s game |
| 13:26.36 | Maldivia | Jamash: NASAs precursor to their upcomming moon MMO |
| 13:26.36 | Jamash | O_O |
| 13:26.36 | eidolarr | reminds me of battlezone |
| 13:26.36 | Maldivia | eidolarr: it's soo Space 1999 :) |
| 13:26.38 | Jamash | ^ |
| 13:26.40 | Jamash | that's what confused me |
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| 13:27.33 | eidolarr | I remember when STEAM first came out and yuo could play chess or hearts with your friends |
| 13:27.39 | eidolarr | that was brilliant |
| 13:27.47 | eidolarr | it may have been spades actually |
| 13:27.53 | Maldivia | all it needs is a massive nuclear explosion to hurl the moon out of Earth's orbit :P |
| 13:28.19 | Maldivia | eidolarr: Ricochet! |
| 13:28.51 | Lopeppeppy | Explosives. |
| 13:29.03 | Jamash | I have Ricochet but I don't know what it is |
| 13:29.10 | eidolarr | it's like tron on the HL engine |
| 13:29.15 | eidolarr | you should try it at least once |
| 13:29.18 | Jamash | ah |
| 13:29.23 | eidolarr | probably exactly once |
| 13:29.35 | Industrial | eidolarr: I remember because I screamed STEAM EAT SHIT AND DIEEEEEEEE WON FOREVERRRRRR until they unplugged WON. |
| 13:29.50 | Jamash | lol, won |
| 13:29.55 | eidolarr | I liked STEAM because the CS community seemed more chill |
| 13:29.57 | Industrial | hl1 man, hl1 |
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| 13:30.04 | eidolarr | WON pissed me off because it sucked so bad to play with friends |
| 13:30.07 | Jamash | Hey let's log on heat and play some, uh, whatever games they had |
| 13:30.08 | Industrial | then, steam kept being shit for years. now its kinda okay I guess |
| 13:30.19 | eidolarr | haha heat, mplayer, TEN |
| 13:30.22 | eidolarr | kali |
| 13:30.40 | eidolarr | i guess gamespy is still around |
| 13:30.56 | Jamash | kali was awesome |
| 13:31.02 | Jamash | I actually paid for a license key |
| 13:31.02 | krka | indeed |
| 13:31.05 | krka | me too |
| 13:31.08 | krka | so did my wife |
| 13:31.14 | Jamash | 'course I sucked at warcraft 2 but hey |
| 13:31.24 | eidolarr | yeah kali was less shitty than mplayer |
| 13:32.06 | Jamash | so in conclusion: valve should buy blizzard, or vice-versa |
| 13:32.12 | Jamash | and get away from craptivision |
| 13:32.15 | Industrial | I preferred WON over STEAM :\ back then steam was a shitty crashing disconnecting laggy piece of shit software that noone wanted to use :( |
| 13:32.37 | Industrial | I was all "yah and now every damn game is going to make me have an account and internet to be able to play it" |
| 13:32.42 | Industrial | I was right. |
| 13:32.43 | Jamash | yep |
| 13:32.52 | Jamash | BUT steam has offline mode |
| 13:33.01 | eidolarr | though it was dismal back in the day |
| 13:33.09 | Jamash | something which most other DRM systems leave out |
| 13:33.31 | eidolarr | meh even in the betas steam wasn't all that laggy, once yuo got ingame |
| 13:33.38 | eidolarr | it crashed sometimes but i thought the idea was cool enough to forgive it |
| 13:33.48 | Industrial | BUT it became a big money whoring platform for valve, and now they are making money from just holding accounts and linking them to games |
| 13:34.02 | Industrial | I dont really see the benefit. |
| 13:34.19 | Jamash | I do |
| 13:34.32 | Jamash | it's incredibly convenient and useful |
| 13:34.38 | Industrial | I dont need an account, I dont need a chat, games have their own server lists |
| 13:34.38 | eidolarr | yeah for downloading and installing |
| 13:34.42 | eidolarr | and the sales |
| 13:35.00 | Industrial | its just a deep wound :D |
| 13:35.03 | eidolarr | well ok if you have no online friends and never buy anything online i can see how it would seem superfluous |
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| 13:35.15 | eidolarr | but playing with my mates is a million times easier with steam |
| 13:35.39 | eidolarr | on WON we would like, call each other up and be like "ok... you see this server? join fast... shit, full!" |
| 13:36.05 | Industrial | haha :P |
| 13:36.30 | Jamash | yeah I can just click "join game" and play TF2 with someone |
| 13:36.51 | eidolarr | and then click "auto retry" if it's full |
| 13:37.16 | Industrial | TF2, that other thing I hate valve eternally for (it killed off the whole TFC clanplay) |
| 13:37.40 | eidolarr | why? I only played it briefly but it seemed like a generally faithful recreation |
| 13:38.03 | Industrial | oh and launched (unexpectedly) together with TFC's sucessor from the clanplay communities' pov |
| 13:38.09 | Industrial | Fortress Forever |
| 13:38.25 | eidolarr | what's so bad about tf2? |
| 13:38.30 | Industrial | totally shadowing that game with all the orange box and media valve can throw out cause of the hoards of money from steam etc |
| 13:38.39 | Jamash | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw |
| 13:38.46 | Industrial | :D |
| 13:38.55 | Industrial | they removed grenades and bunnyhopping, for one. |
| 13:39.02 | eidolarr | civilian? holy shit does that mean hunted is back |
| 13:39.11 | Industrial | it is what make quakeworld team fortress and what made TFC clanplay |
| 13:39.15 | Industrial | made* |
| 13:39.20 | Jamash | http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wowuidev by the way everyone should join this |
| 13:40.01 | eidolarr | Industrial: I see that they are significant changes, but I am unconvinced that it's not just bawwww backlash to modernizing their favorite game |
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| 13:40.22 | Industrial | eidolarr: see it like this: they totally didnt update TFC ever while CS and other mods that valve bought did get updates, up until the release of TF2 |
| 13:40.25 | Fisker | seriously lol man |
| 13:40.40 | Jamash | wait engineer update??? |
| 13:40.44 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.45 | Fisker | LOL |
| 13:40.46 | Fisker | LOL |
| 13:40.48 | Fisker | LOOOOOOOOL |
| 13:41.00 | Jamash | who said that fisker |
| 13:41.03 | Fisker | By scaremongering i merely meant that your valid points were technically scaremongering |
| 13:41.05 | Fisker | Wryxian |
| 13:41.07 | eidolarr | what does it mean |
| 13:41.49 | Industrial | then they removed everything that made clanplay fun, every skill you trained that made you a good player in tfc.. oh and cartoonized everything aswell |
| 13:42.10 | Industrial | look at SC2 what do they do? make sure its balanced and listen to the community. |
| 13:42.14 | Industrial | thats what im talking about |
| 13:42.20 | Jamash | I like tf2 |
| 13:42.22 | Industrial | valve didnt, and they suck for it. |
| 13:42.41 | eidolarr | uhhh blizzard has serious issues listening to its community too |
| 13:43.05 | Industrial | least they dont take the whole community that powers a game for 8-9 years and just drop it |
| 13:43.47 | alestane | Also, there is a difference between "listening to your community" and "letting your community design the game." |
| 13:44.01 | Industrial | oh, they did actually, because they werent happy with valve |
| 13:44.12 | eidolarr | Industrial: have you played thief? |
| 13:44.13 | Industrial | http://www.fortress-forever.com/ |
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| 13:45.24 | Industrial | eidolarr: i have not |
| 13:45.40 | Industrial | aaaaanyway back to work |
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| 13:46.14 | eidolarr | Industrial: here's my issue, by analogy |
| 13:46.26 | eidolarr | thief is a single player game with a cult following because it's so unique and high quality |
| 13:46.45 | eidolarr | like 8 or so years after thief 2 came out and the company folded, it was bought up and thief 3 was released |
| 13:47.19 | eidolarr | the community bitched about how it sucked, so for thief 4 they've got a forum set up where they take suggestions |
| 13:47.40 | Fisker | TF was fucking aweful |
| 13:47.43 | Fisker | awful* |
| 13:47.47 | Industrial | your mom was fucking aweful |
| 13:47.52 | Industrial | awful* |
| 13:47.57 | eidolarr | the suggestions collected in the community's "top choices" thread basically amount to "make thief 4 a carbon copy of thief 2, maybe with slightly better graphics" |
| 13:48.00 | Fisker | the only thing Valve did is the exact same thing Blizzard did |
| 13:48.04 | Fisker | they made the game more accessible |
| 13:48.09 | Fisker | enjoy your hypocrit sandwiches |
| 13:48.13 | Fisker | hypocrite* |
| 13:48.36 | Industrial | so? how about this: wow's too easy! lets enter an infinite bitching loop now Fisker |
| 13:48.36 | eidolarr | so when you hone in on seemingly minor aspects of TFC and claim that changing them has utterly destroyed the franchise, is suspect |
| 13:48.58 | Ycarene | does pally power support buffing by roles? |
| 13:48.58 | eidolarr | i mean, cartoonizing? seriously? |
| 13:49.16 | Jamash | I admit that I miss the bouncing-betty type nail grenade from TFC, but I don't think its absence has ruined the game |
| 13:49.24 | Industrial | I am not saying they destroyed the franchise |
| 13:49.32 | eidolarr | Ycarene: no, but pally buffs hit whole classes at once, so i wouldn't really make sense |
| 13:49.41 | eidolarr | Ycarene: *it |
| 13:49.49 | Industrial | they made a lot of money from a lot of (more casual) players. fine. but they did kill the GAME :) |
| 13:49.54 | Jamash | How do paladin buffs work with pets, anyway? |
| 13:49.58 | Industrial | its a different game now, and I resent that. |
| 13:50.01 | eidolarr | Ycarene: you can set what all druids get, but not by each player |
| 13:50.10 | Jamash | Industrial: Are you parodying yourself? |
| 13:50.12 | eidolarr | Jamash: most pets are warriors for buffs |
| 13:50.36 | Ycarene | I was thinking more along the lines of if you had a 5 man group, all pallies and having pally power put Sanc on the tank, kings on the dps and wis on the healer (not by spec, but by role). |
| 13:51.10 | Jamash | put might on everyone imo |
| 13:51.16 | Industrial | Jamash: what about bunny hopping then? you can't even play tfc at high levels without it. everyone aims too good and walk too slow for the game to work. |
| 13:51.36 | eidolarr | Ycarene: Each player can set a different buff for each class, but if you have 5 pallies, you can't have pally power associate might with some of them and wisdom with others |
| 13:51.39 | Jamash | what about it? |
| 13:51.52 | Ycarene | ok |
| 13:51.55 | eidolarr | Ycarene: largely because if you used the 30 minute version, the most recent one would replace the others |
| 13:51.56 | Industrial | so remove it and change the nature of the game -> fail imho |
| 13:52.25 | Jamash | Industrial is a crotchety old man sitting on his porch and complaining about the kids these days with their baggy pants and hippity-hop. |
| 13:52.41 | eidolarr | Industrial, you might be right but that's sort of what it looks like |
| 13:52.49 | eidolarr | it looks like players unwilling to try out the new changes |
| 13:52.53 | Industrial | (23, wearing such pants, and in the office actually) |
| 13:53.04 | Jamash | you don't have to be old in real life to be old on the internets |
| 13:53.11 | Industrial | true |
| 13:53.22 | eidolarr | and you definitely don't have to be young to act like a child |
| 13:53.47 | Jamash | I don't really know what you want valve to do differently. |
| 13:53.53 | Jamash | not make new games? |
| 13:54.26 | Industrial | make games not to seemingly just target the casual/random player who just takes heavy weapons guy and shoots anything that moves anyway :P |
| 13:54.33 | Jamash | do that and you die |
| 13:54.35 | Jamash | a lot |
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| 13:54.47 | Jamash | trust me, I am an expert at failing at TF2 |
| 13:55.02 | Jamash | I can fail with any class, any weapon |
| 13:55.09 | Industrial | hehe |
| 13:55.21 | Jamash | I'll backstab you with the sapper |
| 13:55.24 | eidolarr | Industrial: how much TF2 have you played? |
| 13:55.30 | Kraps | whats going on with TF2? |
| 13:55.34 | Industrial | well ideally I'd want them to at least listen to the active user base, the kind of players that form clans/guilds and play in leagues |
| 13:55.39 | Jamash | Engineer update is what |
| 13:55.41 | Industrial | they didnt |
| 13:55.51 | Kraps | Jamash: whats the big deal? |
| 13:55.58 | Jamash | ENGINEER UPDATE |
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| 13:56.09 | Jamash | if those two words don't cause you to shiver with glee I can't help you |
| 13:56.10 | eidolarr | Industrial: It sounds like a good idea, but if players are saying things like "CARTOONS? HERESY" it gets old |
| 13:56.26 | eidolarr | Jamash: i never liked engineer, too much waiting |
| 13:56.38 | Jamash | see the thing about the engineer |
| 13:56.42 | Jamash | is you don't have to be able to aim :D |
| 13:56.52 | eidolarr | hahaha |
| 13:56.56 | Industrial | eidolarr: yeah but if they are screaming 'you are killing our game that we love by removing and changing mechanics pleasepleasepleaseplease dont' then it's different imho |
| 13:56.56 | eidolarr | build turret, go hide |
| 13:57.02 | Kraps | i'm more of a sniper myself |
| 13:57.37 | eidolarr | Industrial: I agree, it depends on how much the community has lost perspective by idolizing the game; to me, making such a big deal out of being cartoony or the grenade mechanic seems unreasonable |
| 13:57.47 | eidolarr | sniper is way too hard haha |
| 13:57.54 | Jamash | TF2 should be considered on its own merits, imo |
| 13:58.05 | Jamash | TFC is still there for those who want to play it |
| 13:58.21 | eidolarr | they made a lot of changes, maybe some were bad ideas, but tbh it sounds like the tfc community judged and dismissed it without giving it a serious chance |
| 13:59.13 | Industrial | I should lookup some top clanplay vids and show you what clanplay tfc is about but its so old there's not much on youtube. |
| 13:59.15 | Jamash | looking at the server list it appears that there are plenty of people still playing TFC |
| 13:59.33 | Kraps | welp http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/13816838128/battle-net-update-upcoming-forum-changes/ |
| 13:59.44 | Industrial | this is a classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRrjh8yp5yE |
| 14:00.18 | eidolarr | I understand that TFC clanplay is serious, but it seems like you're saying "TFC gameplay good + TF2 changed the gameplay => TF2 gameplay bad", which doesn't follow |
| 14:00.29 | alestane | Discussed to death yesterday, Kraps. |
| 14:00.48 | Wobin | Kraps: where have you been man? |
| 14:00.59 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnXIH3s5DUw&feature=related |
| 14:00.59 | Kraps | alestane: theses are new blue posts |
| 14:01.00 | Jamash | I think Wryxian needs a dictionary |
| 14:01.18 | eidolarr | Industrial: man HL trickjumping was so fun |
| 14:01.29 | Industrial | eidolarr: really dont have time anymore, at work :D |
| 14:01.45 | Industrial | second vid is a pretty goof japanese clan vid |
| 14:01.51 | Industrial | s/goof/good/ |
| 14:02.09 | eidolarr | airstrafing auggh that engine felt so mobile |
| 14:02.10 | Wobin | I wonder if they made this post |
| 14:02.19 | Wobin | just so they had something to put toward the board |
| 14:02.25 | Wobin | saying "omg, -LOOK-" |
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| 14:03.06 | Industrial | eidolarr: i lurv it. bunnyhoppinh just by holding one key going left right left right (backwards hop, forward hop, etc), backwards etc :D |
| 14:03.25 | Jamash | If they had deleted TFC off of steam and shut down all the servers you might have a point |
| 14:03.55 | Jamash | but TF2 is just a new, different game |
| 14:03.58 | eidolarr | Industrial: I could never do the shit where you crouch and hold strafe and spin your mouse in little circles to jump really far |
| 14:04.01 | alestane | I think Buckley says pretty much what I've been thinking here, Kraps (in the post especially, but also somewhat in the cartoon): http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20100707 |
| 14:05.46 | Jamash | oh man I didn't see the Half-Life 2 "1984" ad before just now |
| 14:05.56 | Wobin | alestane: I take it as gospel, never to read Buckly and agree |
| 14:06.10 | Jamash | s/and agree// |
| 14:06.22 | alestane | Then don't. |
| 14:07.36 | Wobin | well, they're right about one thing |
| 14:07.45 | Wobin | There won't be as many spammers on the forums |
| 14:07.53 | Wobin | there won't be many -posts- either, but hey |
| 14:07.57 | Wobin | win some, lose some |
| 14:08.31 | Wobin | no doubt, some other company will put forth their forums as a replacement |
| 14:08.37 | Jamash | might as well make the forums read-only for non-blizzard employees |
| 14:08.38 | Kraps | more like win some lose many |
| 14:08.44 | eidolarr | i can get behind this: "I want it to happen, not because I necessarily think it's a good idea (though I'm open to the possibility that it may turn out to be), but more because I think it would be fantastic to see the results." |
| 14:08.59 | Wobin | as a socialogical experiment? Yes |
| 14:09.01 | eidolarr | no matter what the outcome, it will be either funny or enlightening |
| 14:09.09 | Jamash | Yes, it's great as a social experiment if you don't actually ever plan on posting yourself. |
| 14:09.15 | eidolarr | exactly |
| 14:09.18 | Lopeppeppy | It will be a riot, in a lot of senses of the word. |
| 14:09.26 | Wobin | gets his taser |
| 14:09.32 | Jamash | if you would like to use the forums for their intended purpose, it's a debacle |
| 14:09.33 | Kraps | lol Lopeppeppy |
| 14:09.44 | eidolarr | although my deep suspicion is that like wobin says it will fizzle and be quiet because no one posts anything interesting |
| 14:09.48 | Industrial | but the retardism that got this thing to happen in the first place is the very reason a lot of other people DONT post. |
| 14:10.05 | Jamash | Industrial: What, that blizzard sucks at moderating? |
| 14:10.06 | Kraps | Wryxian used the "use the telephone" line |
| 14:10.15 | Jamash | Blizzard will continue to suck at moderating after realid |
| 14:10.19 | Wobin | I think it'll be interesting when mothers start finding their name used online |
| 14:10.23 | Wobin | because they pay for the account |
| 14:10.28 | Industrial | no that the gross of posts on the wow forums aren't very intelligent posts |
| 14:10.31 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm-hmm. |
| 14:10.38 | Jamash | Wobin: Yep |
| 14:10.39 | Wobin | and sweety Joe, who's only 12 has a scatalogical turn of phrase |
| 14:11.13 | alestane | They'll probably also want to attach forum controls to the parental controls. |
| 14:11.25 | Kraps | they will |
| 14:11.28 | Jamash | Industrial: And the majority of posts on the wow forum will probably be less intelligent after realid. |
| 14:11.29 | Kraps | a blue said |
| 14:11.32 | alestane | The birthday check doesn't stop much of anything. |
| 14:11.37 | Wobin | they should just do that anyway |
| 14:11.38 | Jamash | because anyone with any intelligence won't post there |
| 14:11.41 | Wobin | without realid |
| 14:11.54 | Jamash | Wobin: true |
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| 14:12.22 | alestane | You know what? I am frankly sick of people thinking that they actually know what will happen when this goes live. |
| 14:12.32 | alestane | I might be back in an hour. |
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| 14:12.45 | eidolarr | damn guys we better stop talking about it |
| 14:12.51 | Wobin | oh no =( |
| 14:12.51 | Kraps | no |
| 14:13.12 | Wobin | we should just accept that Blizzard knows best |
| 14:13.33 | Kraps | Wobin: i used to, now i'm not so sure |
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| 14:13.40 | Jamash | I, for one, welcome our new antiprivacy overlords. |
| 14:13.41 | theorbtwo | Or, you know, accept that different people have different ways of thinking. |
| 14:13.47 | Wobin | hush, you're upsetting alestane |
| 14:14.01 | theorbtwo | I have no issue with people knowing my name, and attaching it to things I say online. |
| 14:14.06 | Jamash | I've never believed that blizzard knows best when it comes to out of game stuff |
| 14:14.16 | Jamash | in game, I'm okay with |
| 14:14.18 | Jamash | mostly |
| 14:14.40 | Wobin | personally, I dislike the forced approach to the 'social networking' |
| 14:14.44 | Wobin | sure, opt in, fine |
| 14:14.52 | Kraps | over 1k pages |
| 14:14.56 | Wobin | but let people who don't want to, opt out |
| 14:14.58 | Jamash | opt in is how things are done |
| 14:15.13 | foxlit | It is sort of opt in, technically. |
| 14:15.15 | Wobin | and saying "Well just -don't- do that" is like Apple |
| 14:15.20 | Jamash | Yes |
| 14:15.21 | Wobin | saying "Don't hold it like that" |
| 14:15.28 | Kraps | heh |
| 14:15.39 | Jamash | Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this |
| 14:15.41 | eidolarr | that's a stretch |
| 14:15.45 | Wobin | not really |
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| 14:15.47 | Jamash | eidolarr: no it isn't |
| 14:15.57 | foxlit | I'm not sure whether it's helpful to the point, though |
| 14:16.08 | foxlit | Personally, I find "Don't hold it like that" reasonable in response to Apple's problem. |
| 14:16.17 | Wobin | I'll offer it a complete match, when Blizzard start selling a "Privacy Screen" |
| 14:16.20 | Jamash | It helps to illustrate that realid and iphone 4 are both defective |
| 14:16.29 | Wobin | as an purchasable extra |
| 14:16.31 | Jamash | and the company's response has been to blame the consumer |
| 14:16.32 | Wobin | that hides your ID |
| 14:16.42 | Wobin | just like how Apple is making buckets on that case =P |
| 14:17.05 | eidolarr | there are significant differences between a hardware defect and a questionable restructuring of the forums |
| 14:17.21 | Wobin | it's not the defect that's the issue |
| 14:17.21 | Jamash | True, one is stupid by accident and one is stupid on purpose. |
| 14:17.30 | Wobin | it's the company's response to said complaint |
| 14:17.34 | Jamash | ^ |
| 14:17.46 | theorbtwo | It's a lot easier to modify the software problem after. |
| 14:18.05 | Wobin | Apple should offer the case for -free- |
| 14:18.11 | eidolarr | It seems unlikely that they'll make any changes to their policy at least until it's been out a few months |
| 14:18.14 | Jamash | In both cases, the complaint is "Your product does not support real-world use" |
| 14:18.18 | Wobin | or have a refurbishing service that lacquers the edge or something |
| 14:18.21 | eidolarr | Wobin: did you actually see the followup? it's kind of interesting |
| 14:18.32 | Wobin | eidolarr: link? |
| 14:18.34 | eidolarr | Wobin: at some point they decided 50% connection strength should correlate to all the bars |
| 14:18.39 | Wobin | oh that |
| 14:18.42 | eidolarr | so when you drop a few % it looks like a dramatic change |
| 14:18.48 | Wobin | yeah, "Woops" |
| 14:18.50 | eidolarr | even if it's not out of line for a phone |
| 14:19.05 | Jamash | argh |
| 14:19.16 | theorbtwo | We're returning to the topic of a few days ago. |
| 14:19.26 | Wobin | everything is circular |
| 14:19.30 | Jamash | O |
| 14:19.31 | Wobin | theorbtwo should know this |
| 14:19.42 | theorbtwo | All this has happened before, and all this will happen again. |
| 14:20.03 | eidolarr | the iphone 4 is neat but i could never live without swype on a virtual keyboard |
| 14:20.12 | Jamash | Yes, the wheel turns turns turns and the seasons blah blah blah |
| 14:21.05 | Wobin | unless we have to get a replacement author |
| 14:21.48 | theorbtwo | For the Wheel of Time series? We already did, weren't you paying attention? |
| 14:22.12 | eidolarr | who was that well known open source guy who was totally anonymous and then vanished one day when people were getting warm on his identity? |
| 14:22.25 | Wobin | Hans Reiser's wife? |
| 14:22.55 | eidolarr | I think it was like wish or something |
| 14:23.03 | theorbtwo | eidolarr: Er, good question -- I haven't heard of this story. |
| 14:23.14 | Jamash | I was referring to http://www.springsteenlyrics.com/lyrics/t/turnturnturn.php |
| 14:23.46 | Wobin | theorbtwo picked up my reference =P |
| 14:25.39 | eidolarr | ah it's _why |
| 14:26.21 | eidolarr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_the_lucky_stiff |
| 14:26.38 | Kraps | Micah Whipples's favorite pizza topping? "I've heard he likes pepperoni with a hint of irony." |
| 14:27.04 | eidolarr | http://ejohn.org/blog/eulogy-to-_why/ |
| 14:28.39 | eidolarr | kind of an interesting story |
| 14:28.50 | Wobin | he looks like Jack Black |
| 14:29.00 | Fisker | you know what was awesome Kraps |
| 14:29.06 | eidolarr | yeah he does hahaha |
| 14:29.15 | Fisker | Wryxian calling it scaremongering after knowing what happened to Bashiok |
| 14:29.49 | Wobin | What's Wryxian's real name? |
| 14:29.49 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 14:29.54 | Shirik | I did not authorize you to speak |
| 14:30.04 | Wobin | Blues should learn. Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Internet |
| 14:30.20 | Kraps | Fisker: apparently the forums are OPTIONAL, man, after 5 years you coulda fooled me |
| 14:30.21 | Fisker | then kill me Shirik |
| 14:30.29 | Fisker | well duh |
| 14:30.34 | Fisker | But it's like here's some crack |
| 14:30.35 | foxlit | what did happen to Bashiok? |
| 14:30.37 | Fisker | for 5 years |
| 14:30.46 | Fisker | then say all of the sudden that it it's optional |
| 14:30.47 | Fisker | :3 |
| 14:30.51 | Wobin | foxlit: you've not been following? |
| 14:30.53 | Kraps | foxlit: http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function |
| 14:30.58 | Wobin | ^ |
| 14:31.15 | Fisker | Basically Bashiok tried to troll the community and he got trolled back |
| 14:31.22 | Kraps | lol |
| 14:31.26 | Wobin | although, I think the name on that article is some other poor schlub named Micah Whipple |
| 14:31.29 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.36 | Fisker | doesn't really matter Wobin |
| 14:31.39 | Industrial | hows it not optional |
| 14:31.41 | Fisker | mission accomplished |
| 14:31.43 | Wobin | Fisker: exactly |
| 14:31.56 | jnwhiteh | 90% of the information they dug up on his in wrong |
| 14:31.59 | foxlit | Wobin: I've seen the "my name is" post, and read some of the responses, but I can't recall anything unreasonable from the community |
| 14:32.01 | jnwhiteh | tho they eventually got some of it right. |
| 14:32.08 | jnwhiteh | I know Micah |
| 14:32.14 | jnwhiteh | and people are stupid. |
| 14:32.28 | Fisker | The fact that he closed his facebook profile(or made it inaccessible to the public) and that some person, whether or not that person actually is basiok, got harassed for it, just shows exactly why this is a bad idea |
| 14:32.31 | Ackis | digs up info on jnwhiteh |
| 14:32.35 | Wobin | foxlit: What happens, when you say to a bunch of people on the internet "Hey, I'll give you my real name, I -bet- you can't use it to find info on me!" |
| 14:32.37 | Ackis | I heard u like mudkipz jnwhiteh |
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| 14:32.41 | Kraps | foxlit: on the /v/ board on 4chan dug up Neths info as well |
| 14:32.46 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: I'm fairly certain he just removed the short-link to his profile. |
| 14:32.46 | Kalroth | I wonder what jnwhiteh's real name is!! |
| 14:32.53 | jnwhiteh | given that Im' friends with him and nothing else has changed. |
| 14:33.07 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: http://screencast.com/t/ZGNkNTA1NT |
| 14:33.07 | jnwhiteh | and neither Micah or Neth had anything to do with this. |
| 14:33.08 | foxlit | The blues made a fair point that their names were already available in the credits, generally. |
| 14:33.10 | Fisker | or he just made it friends only? |
| 14:33.23 | Fisker | true foxlit |
| 14:33.26 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: the profile is 100% still there |
| 14:33.30 | Wobin | foxlit: of course |
| 14:33.31 | krka | credits arent indexable by google :P |
| 14:33.37 | Fisker | but we're not really talking about blues anyway |
| 14:33.37 | Wobin | but the names being available isn't tempting fate =P |
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| 14:33.43 | Fisker | we're just talking about random people |
| 14:33.58 | Ackis | so I'm guessing the RealID thing didn't go away over night eh? |
| 14:34.02 | Wobin | haha |
| 14:34.05 | Wobin | sif |
| 14:34.08 | Kalroth | people dont get internet-angry when watching credit, they get internet-angry when reading forum posts |
| 14:34.09 | Fisker | i still wouldn't be surprised if they had given Bashiok some kind of bodyguard or better security etc. |
| 14:34.30 | Kalroth | credits* |
| 14:34.40 | Fisker | Ackis it's probably the single-most posted-in thread with almost everyone agreeing |
| 14:34.41 | foxlit | Kalroth: not like nobody knows who GC is |
| 14:34.42 | nicoli_s | Ackis:we still angry!\ |
| 14:34.53 | jnwhiteh | Bashiok is just his new name |
| 14:34.58 | jnwhiteh | so weird to hear people call him that =) |
| 14:35.01 | Fisker | Drysc ftl |
| 14:35.06 | Kalroth | foxlit: Generally the males are fine, its the females that I'm worried about |
| 14:35.08 | Fisker | actually Drysc was better |
| 14:35.09 | Fisker | Bashiok ftl |
| 14:35.22 | jnwhiteh | Micah put himself out there |
| 14:35.23 | Kraps | oh hes Drysc ? |
| 14:35.24 | Ackis | wait Drysc == Bashiok? |
| 14:35.27 | Fisker | yes |
| 14:35.27 | jnwhiteh | no idea why people decided to fuck with Neth. |
| 14:35.35 | Xinhuan | can someone point out to me where and how Bashiok posted his name? |
| 14:35.40 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: welcome to the internet |
| 14:35.42 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: same reason, to prove a point |
| 14:35.49 | Fisker | for the same reason any random person would stalk/harass any other random person |
| 14:35.53 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: in the thread, he said 'My name is X' |
| 14:35.54 | amro | Xinhuan: he made a random post on the new forum. |
| 14:35.57 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no, that's failed argument. |
| 14:36.02 | Lopeppeppy | Xinuan, in the original post about the Real ID, IIRC. |
| 14:36.03 | Kraps | Xinhuan: http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function |
| 14:36.03 | Fisker | Xinhuan he stopped being a WoW CM and went to the Diablo forums |
| 14:36.05 | jnwhiteh | you're assuming that random peopel choose another person at random to stalk |
| 14:36.05 | Xinhuan | new forum? |
| 14:36.08 | jnwhiteh | and this is not what happened here. |
| 14:36.09 | Lopeppeppy | Like post #16 or something. |
| 14:36.11 | krka | I'll never give up my secret real life identity! |
| 14:36.22 | jnwhiteh | my name is sekret. |
| 14:36.28 | Fisker | no jnwhiteh that wasn't what i meant, by random i just meant any person :P |
| 14:36.34 | krka | hm, note to self: update irc /whois config |
| 14:36.35 | Fisker | obviously there's a reason for the person doing it |
| 14:36.35 | jnwhiteh | well the words matter =) |
| 14:36.38 | Xinhuan | i see |
| 14:36.40 | amro | jnwhiteh: too late, we already know your real name is cladhaire |
| 14:36.49 | Kraps | ... |
| 14:36.50 | Fisker | atleast i don't call people scaremongers |
| 14:36.53 | Shirik | my name is Shirik |
| 14:37.02 | Fisker | My name is Trout |
| 14:37.04 | Fisker | Trout Fisker |
| 14:37.05 | jnwhiteh | I'm fairly certain no one knows my address in the UK |
| 14:37.09 | Fisker | i do |
| 14:37.10 | jnwhiteh | and if anyone ever chose to fuck with my Dad |
| 14:37.14 | Fisker | or wait did you send it from the university? |
| 14:37.18 | jnwhiteh | they'd bring hell down onto themselves =) |
| 14:37.18 | Shirik | I'm scared of jnwhiteh |
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| 14:37.20 | Kalroth | Shirik: omg Matthew is such a cute name, i bet you're a real cutie, lets cyber |
| 14:37.21 | Kraps | Please use the following webform if you wish to complain or ask questions regarding the forum moderation: |
| 14:37.27 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: That's my college address |
| 14:37.28 | Shirik | stabs Kalroth |
| 14:37.30 | Fisker | damn |
| 14:37.31 | jnwhiteh | can only get mail there :P |
| 14:37.31 | foxlit | Fisker: "Name's Trout. Fisker Trout." Surely. |
| 14:37.32 | Kraps | he didns right support |
| 14:37.36 | Kalroth | I'll bring Fisker |
| 14:37.36 | krka | note to self: avoid sexual relations with jnwhiteh's dad |
| 14:37.50 | Lopeppeppy | here, Xinhuan. http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Americans-are-bad-at-games/Real-Names-on-the-Official-Forums-New-REAL-ID-function?gr_i_ni |
| 14:37.58 | Xinhuan | ouch people are detectives |
| 14:38.07 | Kalroth | Xinhuan: It gets much, much worse |
| 14:38.22 | Kalroth | 4chan/ebaum got zero problems fucking with peoples life |
| 14:38.28 | Kalroth | calling them, ordering shit in their name |
| 14:38.39 | Kalroth | hacking their accounts, etxc. |
| 14:38.41 | Kalroth | etc. |
| 14:38.44 | Fisker | though to 4chan's credit they barely need a name anyway |
| 14:38.44 | Fisker | :P |
| 14:38.52 | Kraps | Kalroth: why you scaremonger! |
| 14:38.56 | Kalroth | well it'll be toooooooooons easier now, Fisker |
| 14:39.00 | Kalroth | Kraps: More like realist |
| 14:39.01 | Fisker | indeed |
| 14:39.13 | Xinhuan | jnwhiteh, i think i do :P |
| 14:39.24 | foxlit | Amazing shit-storm, though. |
| 14:39.42 | foxlit | I wonder why they haven't just started to > /dev/null threads about it yet. |
| 14:39.44 | Kalroth | before they had "Lolalt, level 1 druid from Server", now they'll have "Tabitha Thomson" |
| 14:40.04 | krka | goes to google Tabitha Thomson |
| 14:40.19 | Kalroth | and trust me, 4chan/ebaum -will- make sure to prove a point |
| 14:40.28 | krka | note to self: don't google search that name and click on images while at work |
| 14:40.33 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 14:40.46 | jnwhiteh | Xinhuan: no reason you would, nope |
| 14:41.09 | Xinhuan | yes i do, we shared dmca letters |
| 14:41.10 | Xinhuan | :) |
| 14:41.16 | Xinhuan | so you have mine too lol |
| 14:41.16 | jnwhiteh | I don't think it has my UK address |
| 14:41.21 | jnwhiteh | and if it did, it was my college address |
| 14:41.25 | jnwhiteh | which means absolutely nothing |
| 14:41.27 | jnwhiteh | since I don't live there =) |
| 14:41.30 | Xinhuan | lol ok |
| 14:41.39 | Kalroth | you're a chav?! |
| 14:41.40 | krka | you tricked me! is that some porn lady Kalroth? |
| 14:41.44 | jnwhiteh | innit |
| 14:42.00 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: problem brov? |
| 14:42.02 | foxlit | krka: easy to check, see if there's a wikipedia article |
| 14:42.31 | Wobin | lady Kalroth? |
| 14:43.07 | krka | wikipedia has articles for everyone who's even _remotely_ famous? |
| 14:43.21 | foxlit | krka: I'm sure wikipedia has a porn stars category. |
| 14:43.30 | Fisker | Mia Rose is/was on wikipedia |
| 14:43.54 | krka | you'd know foxlit! |
| 14:44.00 | foxlit | Lucky guess. |
| 14:44.10 | foxlit | "Note: This category should be empty." :( |
| 14:44.13 | krka | also, this chat log will probably be online, so your next employer will know that you know! |
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| 14:45.05 | Xinhuan | it is, purl has the logs hehe |
| 14:45.10 | airtonix | lol chav |
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| 14:45.38 | foxlit | Google even indexes them :) |
| 14:46.02 | krka | i think this channel should enforce Real-ID |
| 14:46.06 | krka | that would be kind of interesting |
| 14:46.14 | krka | how long nicknames does irc allow? |
| 14:46.19 | fiphi | Depends on the network. |
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| 14:46.30 | airtonix | wtf |
| 14:46.42 | Xinhuan | i googled google from http://www.google.com.sg/ and the first link is http://www.google.com.sg/ |
| 14:46.42 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 14:46.48 | Ackis | derp |
| 14:47.34 | foxlit | Xinhuan: I have it on good authority that if you were to try that at google.com, the internet would explode. |
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| 14:49.41 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxUZMjXkYKc |
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| 14:58.06 | Kraps | "To finish installing the software, you need to restart your computer" Apple, i hate you so much |
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| 15:08.22 | malreth | Kraps: what software? |
| 15:08.30 | Kraps | itunes |
| 15:08.50 | malreth | first time install on a pc or something? |
| 15:09.17 | Kraps | update |
| 15:10.13 | malreth | an itunes update on osx shouldn't require a reboot |
| 15:11.06 | Kraps | windows |
| 15:12.06 | mikma | so, addon that changes the RealID friend logout sound :P |
| 15:12.21 | bryno | Kraps: i have an adobe reader update waiting that'll do the same thing :< |
| 15:12.43 | Kraps | first sane thing a blue has said http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816838128&sid=1&pageNo=267#5328 |
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| 15:19.54 | Xinhuan | page 267? lol |
| 15:21.04 | Kraps | its the eu forums, much slower than the us one |
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| 15:28.51 | malreth | Kraps: much slower or less bitchy and whiny? |
| 15:29.24 | Kraps | eyes malreth |
| 15:29.37 | malreth | ears Kraps |
| 15:30.25 | airtonix | lol mexojapastany |
| 15:35.02 | Kraps | actiblizz stock is up, yeah the down didnt mean anything |
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| 15:37.11 | Lunessa | station |
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| 15:39.54 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626579264&postId=257099522581&sid=1#93 ya think? |
| 15:40.10 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 15:41.01 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. Interesting. |
| 15:41.26 | Lunessa | tackle-hugs Lopeppeppy. |
| 15:41.30 | Kraps | welcome back to the circus Lunessa |
| 15:41.42 | Lunessa | Snowfox's contributions will be missed. |
| 15:42.08 | Kraps | "Got to say though, I've never seen a thread launch, accelerate, and keep accelerating like the sticky today. I think at some point we have to start calculating the change in mass due to nearing the speed of light." |
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| 15:50.59 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/07/07/funny-pictures-video-most-dramatic-kitteh-evar/ |
| 15:51.08 | Adys | http://www.cad-comic.com/comics/c0a129271278475206.jpg |
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| 15:52.12 | eidolarr | I wonder what would happen if someone shot bashiok in the shoulder |
| 15:52.17 | eidolarr | some crazy person |
| 15:53.51 | Adys | also |
| 15:53.51 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 15:54.46 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:55.13 | Lopeppeppy | Hey. eidolarr, that's not funny, don't even suggest it! |
| 15:55.25 | Ackis | why the shoulder though? |
| 15:55.30 | eidolarr | i'm not laughing |
| 15:55.31 | Ackis | that causes a lot of pain and grief |
| 15:55.37 | eidolarr | i thought it would be less tragic |
| 15:55.46 | Ackis | the only place you can get shot and not have any after effect symptoms is in the ass |
| 15:55.52 | eidolarr | I mean, what if something bad actually happened because he posted his info; do you think anything would change |
| 15:55.52 | Ackis | since all that's there is fatty tissue |
| 15:56.00 | Ackis | the shoulder has nerves, etc |
| 15:56.08 | eidolarr | Ackis: how about the earlobe |
| 15:56.20 | Ackis | that's called getting an earring :P |
| 15:56.23 | Lopeppeppy | Why do you think nothing bad has already happened? Prank phone calls are plenty bad enough for my taste. |
| 15:56.42 | Lunessa | Even musing about that sort of thing is wandering into bad territory. |
| 15:56.53 | kd3 | wandering in to? |
| 15:57.04 | kd3 | the "welcome to bad territory" sign passed by a few miles back |
| 15:57.09 | Cairenn | jumping in with both feet |
| 15:58.16 | Kraps | kd3: what? i didnt notice any sign |
| 15:58.27 | Ackis | I did my thought experiment on something bad happening yesterday |
| 15:59.30 | eidolarr | i wonder if they had to draw straws to pick who had to reveal their name |
| 15:59.51 | Ackis | GM's tell you to post on the CS forums & the CS forums are open to everyone (opposed to being a forum where you can only see your posts like smart companies do it) |
| 16:00.06 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/777361203 |
| 16:00.07 | Ackis | that there circumvents the whole "don't post if you don't want your name revealed" |
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| 16:00.52 | eidolarr | Ackis: the official response is "use the hotline/email" |
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| 16:03.17 | Kraps | hitler is not happy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiauaGbxipA |
| 16:03.46 | foxlit | is that guy ever happy? |
| 16:03.53 | foxlit | I heard he started sending DMCA notices, though |
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| 16:04.17 | Kraps | yes |
| 16:04.56 | Kraps | this is new so they havent gotten around to it i guess |
| 16:05.35 | eidolarr | they deleted "hitler reacts to wolfenstein 3d", true tragedy |
| 16:06.06 | mikma | [19:00] Your play time expires in 1 minute |
| 16:06.29 | mikma | [19:06] [Daggaplease] says: lol |
| 16:08.07 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.20 | foxlit | Apostrophail. |
| 16:08.46 | cogwheel | ~foxlit++ |
| 16:11.11 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:11.29 | cogwheel | coughs germs on Fisker |
| 16:11.35 | Fisker | to be fair Adys |
| 16:11.48 | Fisker | Trolling is hard with the sun shining on either your monitor or yourself |
| 16:11.50 | foxlit | "The Escapist turns 5 this week! Join us for a look at our office." << I thought they were older :/ |
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| 16:14.39 | Kraps | Adys: mmoc is broke |
| 16:14.56 | airtonix | fisker |
| 16:15.03 | airtonix | audio sync my free movies |
| 16:15.06 | airtonix | nao |
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| 16:15.44 | Adys | yes i know kraps |
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| 16:15.51 | Kraps | FIX IT |
| 16:15.54 | Kraps | NAO |
| 16:16.10 | airtonix | no me first |
| 16:16.20 | airtonix | far more important |
| 16:16.38 | airtonix | you guys should really stop playing that game... |
| 16:17.01 | airtonix | before you know it, you'll be worshipping the prison warden |
| 16:17.05 | dropson_ | http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0105/wow.html |
| 16:17.24 | Kraps | what game? |
| 16:17.37 | airtonix | the game i don't play |
| 16:17.49 | Kraps | prison warden? |
| 16:17.55 | airtonix | ... |
| 16:18.00 | airtonix | bend over baby |
| 16:18.25 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:18.27 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:18.36 | airtonix | mmm nope |
| 16:18.45 | airtonix | that didn't fix my audio desync |
| 16:19.14 | Kraps | airtonix: my sub resets august 1st, if this shit isnt corrected by then, there is a 95% chance i will quit |
| 16:19.35 | airtonix | why put off today what you can put off tomorrow |
| 16:19.46 | foxlit | dropson_: I liked the headline, which means it's a parody |
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| 16:20.37 | Ackis | http://bit.ly/az2yRD derp? |
| 16:21.22 | Kraps | huh |
| 16:21.36 | foxlit | interesting. |
| 16:21.46 | foxlit | Surprising, even. |
| 16:22.04 | Ackis | derp |
| 16:22.07 | Ackis | Kraps |
| 16:22.08 | Ackis | ^ |
| 16:22.16 | foxlit | they'll now be able to mix their RID whining with their "TALENT CHANGES ARE THE END OF THE WORLD OF WARCRAFT" whining. |
| 16:23.54 | batrick | so much delicious drama |
| 16:24.00 | Fisker | i love you Ackis |
| 16:24.37 | Fisker | LOL |
| 16:24.38 | Fisker | knew it |
| 16:24.42 | Fisker | they couldn't do it |
| 16:24.57 | Kraps | do what? |
| 16:25.22 | foxlit | handle the Fiskering of the forums? |
| 16:25.32 | foxlit | balance the current talent trees? |
| 16:25.48 | Fisker | almost what foxlit said |
| 16:26.12 | Fisker | not so much about balance as actually providing something useful and fun times 51 talent points |
| 16:26.14 | Fisker | err |
| 16:26.16 | Fisker | 71* |
| 16:26.45 | frontendloader | That talent tree stuff looks interesting, I like that they're trimming all the cruft out of those trees |
| 16:27.03 | Fisker | It does sound nice indeed |
| 16:27.25 | frontendloader | I know elemental shaman could use it |
| 16:27.47 | Fisker | paladins as well |
| 16:27.50 | Fisker | atleast ret |
| 16:27.58 | frontendloader | I had a less than pleasent time leveling my goblin shaman, at least once I got to 16ish |
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| 16:28.09 | Fisker | i wonder if they still have the mastery stat |
| 16:28.11 | frontendloader | and my lightning bolt hit the 2.5sec cast time :/ |
| 16:28.26 | Lunessa | Mastery isn't going away. |
| 16:28.34 | frontendloader | because the cast time reduction talent for lightning bolt is waaaay deep in the tree |
| 16:28.34 | Fisker | i know |
| 16:28.46 | Fisker | oh |
| 16:28.49 | Fisker | i just can't read |
| 16:29.15 | Lunessa | Lots of the green quest rewards and a few of the blue dungeon drops I've seen have mastery on them. :) |
| 16:29.15 | frontendloader | Other role-defining examples of abilities players can now get for free at level 10 include Mortal Strike, Bloodthirst, Shield Slam, Mutilate, Shadow Step, Thunderstorm, Earth Shield, Water Elemental, and Penance. |
| 16:29.18 | Fisker | it sounds like a neat idea |
| 16:29.27 | Fisker | one level you get a skill, the other level you get a talent point |
| 16:29.30 | frontendloader | >Shadow Step |
| 16:29.45 | airtonix | i stopped reading after the first three words |
| 16:30.29 | Fisker | it's a shame they don't have some information to release though |
| 16:30.33 | Fisker | like how a spec will look |
| 16:30.38 | frontendloader | Thunderstorm is kinda bleh for elemental in my opinion |
| 16:30.57 | frontendloader | Its an ok pvp talent, but almost useless in PvE |
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| 16:31.42 | Kraps | 1100+ pages |
| 16:31.56 | Fisker | nah frontendloader |
| 16:32.06 | Fisker | you can knock npc's off cliffs and make them evade possibly |
| 16:33.24 | foxlit | That'd have to be some cliffs |
| 16:33.44 | foxlit | NPCs usually cliff-walk without much difficulty. |
| 16:35.45 | Kraps | palehoof wont stop posting but did say "Does it strike anyone else as strange that my guildmates have to get my permission for Real ID while the level 4 mage who told me he wanted to cut my throat because I think regular Tuesday maintenance began on May 10, 2005 does not?" |
| 16:37.08 | Adys | Kraps: i dont get it |
| 16:38.06 | Fisker | yeah like why wasn't his throat cut already? |
| 16:38.26 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.56 | batrick | Fist Name + Last Name != RealID email? |
| 16:39.09 | fiphi | The RealID email is the one for the account. |
| 16:39.31 | amro | batrick: you name your fists? |
| 16:39.52 | Kraps | amro: Arm and Hammer |
| 16:40.10 | batrick | huh? |
| 16:40.19 | amro | batrick: you typo'd first |
| 16:40.24 | batrick | oh |
| 16:40.26 | batrick | hehe |
| 16:47.57 | malreth | these mangos are making me THIRSTY |
| 16:48.04 | Lopeppeppy | drink more rum |
| 16:49.45 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
| 16:52.09 | Fisker | you are now being hated |
| 16:53.06 | Adys | I'm a psychic and I sense Lopeppeppy doesn't care |
| 16:53.22 | Fisker | I'm psychic and I sense you care |
| 16:54.47 | foxlit | So this flash risk game has me losing a disproportionate amount of dice rolls : |
| 16:55.00 | Fisker | QQ foxlit |
| 16:55.02 | Fisker | also sauce |
| 16:59.53 | Fisker | so your mouse isn't supposed to morse right? |
| 17:00.57 | Maldivia | depends how you click it |
| 17:01.37 | Jamash | bip bip da da da bip bip |
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| 17:06.33 | Ackis | anyone here born on October 5th? |
| 17:07.58 | nicoli_s | not me |
| 17:08.12 | Ackis | apparently it's the most popular birthday in the US |
| 17:08.15 | nicoli_s | halloween baby here |
| 17:08.21 | Ackis | lua> 274 / 30 |
| 17:08.23 | lua_bot | Ackis: 9.1333333333333 |
| 17:08.50 | Ackis | and it's 9 months or 274 days (average length of a baby gestation) from new years eve |
| 17:08.58 | Ackis | aka your parents made you while drunk |
| 17:09.21 | durcyn | i was conceived on the 4th of july |
| 17:09.24 | durcyn | so, take that. |
| 17:09.29 | Ackis | derp |
| 17:09.51 | airtonix | <bad comment about that day> |
| 17:10.10 | Adys | 46 BC â Julius Caesar defeats Titus Labienus in the Battle of Ruspina. |
| 17:10.19 | Adys | i cant believe your parents would celebrate that |
| 17:10.28 | airtonix | every day baby |
| 17:10.38 | Ackis | http://www.cracked.com/article_18648_the-9-most-statistically-terrifying-days-calendar.html |
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| 17:11.54 | Kraps | http://kokugamer.com/2010/07/06/my-son-my-hero-my-little-gamer/ |
| 17:14.13 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626049997&postId=256239554355&sid=1#1 |
| 17:14.18 | Kraps | i lol'd |
| 17:14.31 | airtonix | you lol too easy |
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| 17:15.07 | Jamash | I ROFLROFLROFLROLFORLFed |
| 17:16.02 | Lopeppeppy | I wouldn't be in Crepe's forum for all the world. |
| 17:16.05 | Lopeppeppy | I like mine. |
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| 17:16.52 | Ackis | http://imgur.com/XiVZF.jpg |
| 17:16.54 | Ackis | lulz |
| 17:17.25 | Kraps | thanks messed up Ackis :( |
| 17:17.33 | Kraps | thats* |
| 17:17.34 | Dagmar | sfw? |
| 17:17.47 | airtonix | from ackis ? |
| 17:17.50 | Ackis | Dagmar: yeah |
| 17:18.21 | Ackis | Kraps: that's funny and good marketing :P |
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| 17:19.03 | Jamash | is it? |
| 17:20.19 | Jamash | I think it's about on the level of the peta ads |
| 17:20.19 | Kraps | Jamash: yes, also depressing |
| 17:21.28 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: not adding your opinion? :p |
| 17:21.40 | Kraps | (on the forums) |
| 17:22.51 | Dagmar | I'm *hoping* Blizz will say somehting today |
| 17:23.34 | nevcairiel | They did, they announced the new talent system! |
| 17:24.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i'm sure someone at blizzard will say somethign today ;) |
| 17:24.26 | alestane | New talent system? |
| 17:24.46 | nevcairiel | you're all blinded by the stupid realid discussions |
| 17:24.53 | nevcairiel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626290449 |
| 17:25.00 | Jamash | wait what |
| 17:25.11 | Jamash | talent points every two levels??? |
| 17:25.22 | Jamash | raaaaaaage |
| 17:25.29 | nevcairiel | read the whole concept before raging |
| 17:25.49 | NightHawkTheSane | it's actually kinda neat |
| 17:25.50 | Jamash | ". As another significant change, you will not be able to put points into a different talent tree until you have dedicated 31 talent points to your primary specialization." |
| 17:25.54 | Jamash | raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage |
| 17:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i dare say i'm looking forward to it |
| 17:25.58 | nevcairiel | me too |
| 17:26.00 | nevcairiel | its kinda nice |
| 17:26.47 | nevcairiel | you specifically chose your role |
| 17:26.47 | airtonix | lol |
| 17:26.47 | nevcairiel | and you get a bonus just for that choice |
| 17:26.47 | nevcairiel | not through plain talents |
| 17:26.47 | airtonix | whats this going to be ?> |
| 17:26.48 | NightHawkTheSane | and far, far less 5 point filler talents |
| 17:26.48 | airtonix | alt number four thousand ? |
| 17:27.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Actually, it'd be pretty awesome if only for getting class-defining abilities early on. |
| 17:27.11 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 17:27.15 | nevcairiel | hit lvl 10, get some nifty stuff |
| 17:27.22 | Jamash | I'm fine with getting something neat at level 10 |
| 17:27.29 | alestane | As someone who adores hybrid specs I'm somewhat annoyed at that second aspect, but hybrid specs have been dying for years as it is. |
| 17:27.34 | Jamash | rest of it I'm kind of dubious about |
| 17:27.56 | Jamash | especially locking out the other trees |
| 17:27.56 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: I think they're really trying to push for some iconic/unique aspects among the specs. |
| 17:28.09 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: which, unfortunately, means hybrids kind of have to die |
| 17:28.15 | Jamash | so you only get 10 points to spend on the other specs? |
| 17:28.24 | alestane | Yes, but I've always loved the unique intersections between them. |
| 17:28.41 | Jamash | I want boomkin tanking back |
| 17:29.04 | Jamash | I saw a video of a panzerkin tanking gruul once and was all "hell yeah" |
| 17:29.28 | alestane | So if I'm Demo, I HAVE to get Metamorphosis before I can spend points anywhere else? If they're going that route, I'd like to see a different capper talent, or at least a better model. |
| 17:29.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: 10 talents into a 31 point tree is roughly like 25 into a 51 point tree |
| 17:30.15 | Jamash | I wonder if pet talents will be changing as well; they're already more or less like this system |
| 17:30.18 | nevcairiel | alestane: they didnt say you have to get the 31-pointer |
| 17:30.23 | nevcairiel | just that you have to sepdn 31 points |
| 17:30.32 | Jamash | pfft |
| 17:30.46 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: of course, how that plays out with the tree design, one might imply the other. |
| 17:31.01 | nevcairiel | i'm sure you'll still have a choice |
| 17:31.06 | NightHawkTheSane | likely. |
| 17:31.50 | airtonix | cocaine |
| 17:34.06 | alestane | I think I like everything there except the monorail down your first tree. |
| 17:34.44 | alestane | I presume that dual-spec will allow you to choose a different primary tree for the second spec...didn't see anything about that. |
| 17:34.55 | nevcairiel | would be kinda silly if it didnt |
| 17:35.06 | alestane | It would, yes. |
| 17:35.55 | nevcairiel | We'll see how it turns out, but it does sound really like leveling a char will be more fun with that |
| 17:36.24 | alestane | I do approve of "Spells even, talents odd" or something like that. |
| 17:36.41 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 17:36.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i like that you get something every level, and with condensed talents, getting a new talent point should be more meaningful |
| 17:36.50 | alestane | D&D has been doing that for 4E and they came pretty close in 3E. |
| 17:36.52 | airtonix | does this mean you'll be filling out your real id form ? |
| 17:37.10 | nevcairiel | what do you need realid for just to level? :d |
| 17:37.21 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: because hyperbole says so. |
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| 17:37.27 | airtonix | you need it to buy food |
| 17:39.15 | Ackis | "Once WoW and Facebook are integrated, we won't have to keep alt tabbing to see if our crops are ready. We will get a message." |
| 17:39.22 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:39.32 | airtonix | kek |
| 17:39.44 | nevcairiel | I'm sure millions of people would like that, wouldn't they |
| 17:40.28 | airtonix | i'm selling realid microchips |
| 17:40.44 | nevcairiel | rfid implants? |
| 17:40.53 | airtonix | you'll be able to add your dog as a friend in wow |
| 17:41.09 | foxlit | airtonix: totally unreasonable |
| 17:41.17 | NightHawkTheSane | man |
| 17:41.30 | foxlit | What if someone abducts your dog and steals its friends of friends list? |
| 17:41.39 | airtonix | oh |
| 17:41.46 | airtonix | i have another microchip |
| 17:41.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd rather be in a meeting at work than listen to freaking whiners about this. |
| 17:41.48 | foxlit | The world will end. |
| 17:41.55 | airtonix | seaforium in a chip |
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| 17:42.47 | eidolarr | what can generate the error "bad argument #1 to assert"? |
| 17:43.11 | nevcairiel | a bad argument to assert |
| 17:43.15 | foxlit | lua> assert(); |
| 17:43.15 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'assert' (value expected) |
| 17:43.21 | nevcairiel | it usually tells you after that error what went wrong |
| 17:43.41 | eidolarr | but assert(nil) doesn't generate the same error? |
| 17:43.47 | eidolarr | lua> assert(nil) |
| 17:43.48 | lua_bot | eidolarr: luabot:1: assertion failed! |
| 17:43.50 | foxlit | No, assert nil is valid |
| 17:44.09 | nevcairiel | only assert(empty) will cause the error, eanything else can be booleanified |
| 17:44.16 | foxlit | I'd wager that the only way you can cause that error is by not providing any arguments at all |
| 17:45.26 | eidolarr | I thought f(nil) was eequivalent to f() |
| 17:45.35 | foxlit | except for when it isn't. |
| 17:45.35 | eidolarr | also I'm calling it with an argument and it's giving me the error |
| 17:45.52 | foxlit | Some functions are aware of the *number* of arguments you pass to them. |
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| 17:46.56 | eidolarr | A function call returning nil is generating that error, which is baffling |
| 17:47.22 | foxlit | Your function is not returning anything, then. |
| 17:47.27 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20100706 |
| 17:47.28 | eidolarr | lua> function f() end; assert(f()); |
| 17:47.28 | lua_bot | eidolarr: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'assert' (value expected) |
| 17:47.45 | eidolarr | so a function returning nil is different from the keyword nil? |
| 17:47.50 | eidolarr | this is disturbing |
| 17:47.54 | foxlit | No. |
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| 17:48.05 | foxlit | Your f() does not return nil. |
| 17:48.15 | nevcairiel | there is a difference between returning nil and not returning anything |
| 17:48.19 | airtonix | your face() does |
| 17:48.20 | nevcairiel | in many cases its the same |
| 17:48.27 | nevcairiel | but not always |
| 17:48.38 | eidolarr | I see, type(f()) is broken too |
| 17:49.01 | nevcairiel | its just the lua C functions that usually care |
| 17:49.26 | foxlit | "is broken too" << I'd avoid using the word "broken" for what is documented and expected behavior. |
| 17:49.41 | eidolarr | why would they leave that? it seems like a failure of abstraction |
| 17:49.47 | zenzelezz | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2010/07/06/10034692.aspx |
| 17:49.51 | nevcairiel | lua> select('#', (function() end)()); |
| 17:49.51 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 0 |
| 17:49.55 | nevcairiel | lua> select('#', (function() return nil end)()); |
| 17:49.55 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1 |
| 17:50.00 | nevcairiel | easy to show the difference :d |
| 17:50.24 | eidolarr | but why? what guided the design decision? |
| 17:50.57 | nevcairiel | imho its sane this way |
| 17:51.10 | nevcairiel | if a function doesnt return a value, it doesnt silently return nil |
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| 17:51.37 | eidolarr | but sometimes when you use its return value it counts as nil, and other times it doesn't? |
| 17:51.44 | foxlit | You can fix it trivially, though |
| 17:51.55 | foxlit | lua> function f() end return type((f())); |
| 17:51.55 | lua_bot | foxlit: nil |
| 17:52.12 | foxlit | There is no return value. |
| 17:52.23 | foxlit | The nil you sometimes observe is an artifact of assignment semantics |
| 17:52.25 | nevcairiel | In an argument list, lua defaults all values to nil that are not present |
| 17:52.40 | nevcairiel | at least for lua functions |
| 17:52.47 | nevcairiel | C functions can detect that, and error :p |
| 17:53.15 | eidolarr | and ... counts as a passed nil if no values were passed? |
| 17:53.28 | foxlit | ... counts as whatever ... is |
| 17:53.36 | nevcairiel | ... can easily be empty |
| 17:53.40 | foxlit | If it's an empty list, it counts as an empty list |
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| 17:54.11 | foxlit | zenzelezz: that bear is awesome |
| 17:54.15 | nevcairiel | lua> function ll(...) print(select('#', ...)) end; ll() |
| 17:54.16 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 0 |
| 17:54.19 | zenzelezz | foxlit: aye |
| 17:55.44 | eidolarr | it seems like a gotcha at best and an inconsistency at worst; what was gained by settign it up like this? |
| 17:56.18 | Jamash | what's the actual problem? |
| 17:56.18 | nevcairiel | It just makes sense |
| 17:56.24 | nevcairiel | if it doesnt return a value, it just doesnt |
| 17:56.37 | nevcairiel | sneaking in some magic nil there would confuse me alot more |
| 17:56.46 | foxlit | eidolarr: assert() does not make sense |
| 17:56.47 | Jamash | is your problem with the way functions that don't return values, or the way the assert function works? |
| 17:56.59 | Jamash | s/values/values work/ |
| 17:57.40 | eidolarr | but now we have an extra type that a function can return, which is "nothing" |
| 17:57.46 | Jamash | it's not a type |
| 17:57.51 | foxlit | No. An empty set is still a set. |
| 17:57.56 | Jamash | it's an empty list |
| 17:58.08 | Jamash | lua>assert() |
| 17:58.09 | lua_bot | Jamash: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'assert' (value expected) |
| 17:58.24 | nevcairiel | there is no "type", its just empty |
| 17:58.24 | foxlit | Jamash: obviously. Not the point, though :) |
| 17:58.43 | eidolarr | it's like null |
| 17:58.50 | zenzelezz | "The goal for Cataclysm remains to remove a lot of the passive (or lame) talents, but we dont think thats possible with the current tree size. To resolve this, we're reducing each tree to 31-point talents. With this reduction in tree size we need to make sure they're being purchased along a similar leveling curve, and therefore will also be reducing the number of total talent points and the speed at which they're awarded dur |
| 17:58.50 | zenzelezz | ing the leveling process." :-o |
| 17:58.51 | nevcairiel | no, nil is like null |
| 17:58.54 | nevcairiel | its like void |
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| 17:59.06 | Jamash | lua>function f()end assert(f()) |
| 17:59.06 | lua_bot | Jamash: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'assert' (value expected) |
| 17:59.13 | Jamash | empty list == empty list |
| 17:59.23 | Lopeppeppy | pounce huggles zenzelezz!!!!! |
| 17:59.23 | Jamash | in terms of how assert works |
| 17:59.32 | eidolarr | Jamash: I did that exact example, I understand the behavior, I'm trying to understand the abstraction |
| 17:59.38 | zenzelezz | grabs a hold of peppy and huggles tight |
| 17:59.41 | Jamash | I missed that, was checking for myself |
| 17:59.56 | Jamash | the abstraction is that an empty list is different from a list of nil |
| 18:00.16 | eidolarr | but I thought nil was philosophically the absense of any meaningful value |
| 18:00.19 | Jamash | nope |
| 18:00.29 | Jamash | it's a value that represents a failure to be anything else |
| 18:00.32 | nevcairiel | nil is an empty value |
| 18:00.35 | nevcairiel | but still a value |
| 18:01.24 | eidolarr | pil says "lua uses nil as a kind of non-value, to represent the absence of a useful value" |
| 18:01.34 | Jamash | nil is a scalar value (0-dimensional) while () is a vector value (one-dimensional array of length 0) |
| 18:01.53 | eidolarr | hmm I will take your work on it being sound and meditate on it later, thanks |
| 18:02.13 | eidolarr | that description sounds just like what a function returning nothing, logically returns though |
| 18:02.15 | Fisker | Shirik's in the air |
| 18:02.29 | Jamash | hit him with a juggling combo before he comes back down |
| 18:02.46 | Jamash | I have a new example for you to consider |
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| 18:03.08 | Jamash | function f() return nil, nil end print(f()) |
| 18:03.12 | Jamash | woops |
| 18:03.17 | Jamash | lua>function f() return nil, nil end print(f()) |
| 18:03.17 | lua_bot | Jamash: nil, nil |
| 18:03.32 | Jamash | lua>function f() return nil end print(f()) |
| 18:03.32 | lua_bot | Jamash: nil |
| 18:03.36 | Jamash | lua>function f() return end print(f()) |
| 18:03.36 | lua_bot | Jamash: No output |
| 18:03.39 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
| 18:03.40 | Jamash | ta-dah |
| 18:03.43 | airtonix | !spam |
| 18:03.44 | eidolarr | or even simpler |
| 18:03.48 | eidolarr | lua>print() |
| 18:03.48 | lua_bot | eidolarr: No output |
| 18:03.50 | eidolarr | lua>print(nil) |
| 18:03.50 | lua_bot | eidolarr: nil |
| 18:04.20 | eidolarr | weird but I'll get over it |
| 18:04.32 | Jamash | In APL you can do all kinds of great stuff with empty arrays |
| 18:04.41 | eidolarr | APL? |
| 18:04.41 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I sent you cheese! |
| 18:04.47 | Jamash | in fact you can perform any calculation with only empty arrays as values |
| 18:04.48 | nevcairiel | not again the ape programming language! |
| 18:05.19 | mikma | woo |
| 18:05.28 | mikma | MI2SE has been released. have fun! :D |
| 18:05.35 | Jamash | what's that |
| 18:05.42 | foxlit | mission impossible 2 second edition |
| 18:05.51 | Jamash | oh monkey island |
| 18:05.58 | Jamash | don't talk to me about mission impossible |
| 18:06.05 | Jamash | the gba game was terrible |
| 18:06.24 | Wobin | Stay awhile... STAY... FOREVER! |
| 18:06.31 | Jamash | that's Impossible Mission |
| 18:06.35 | Wobin | oh =( |
| 18:06.39 | Jamash | which was awesome |
| 18:06.41 | Xinhuan | yay mi2se |
| 18:06.53 | Xinhuan | been waiting a while for it |
| 18:07.26 | Jamash | I love the monkey island music |
| 18:07.54 | Jamash | bbl work time |
| 18:07.57 | Jamash | I'm late |
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| 18:08.41 | Xinhuan | next game i'm waiting for is sc2, and then civ5 |
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| 18:09.32 | foxlit | civ is kind of meh |
| 18:09.47 | eidolarr | multiplayer? |
| 18:10.21 | Xinhuan | civ is awesome |
| 18:10.24 | foxlit | possibly a redeeming grace, but the single player is definitely meh. |
| 18:10.28 | Xinhuan | so many lvls of strategies in it |
| 18:10.46 | Fisker | hey Xinhuan |
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| 18:11.24 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:11.26 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
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| 18:14.23 | Lunessa | Civ 5 plx. Geif nao. |
| 18:14.59 | Lunessa | I fully expect to loose an entire month of weekends to Civ 5. |
| 18:16.04 | Fisker | i love you Lunessa |
| 18:16.43 | Lunessa | You can't butter me up Fisker! I have no more sweet, sweet, man-love to give. |
| 18:17.49 | nicoli_s | i havent played a civ since 2 but i want to try out 5, it looks good |
| 18:17.49 | Fisker | so you had some? |
| 18:17.52 | kd3 | yay |
| 18:18.05 | Lopeppeppy | pouts at Lunessa. |
| 18:18.06 | kd3 | really fixed net access |
| 18:18.27 | kd3 | for once I can say "I <3 at&t" and actually mean it |
| 18:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, I no longer believe those lies you tell about your net. |
| 18:18.42 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 18:18.51 | Fisker | not so hey Lopeppeppy |
| 18:18.52 | kd3 | well, I'm up to the status quo of "not getting dropped every 30 minutes" |
| 18:19.07 | kd3 | and actually getting a dial tone |
| 18:19.12 | Fisker | what is your name kd3 ? |
| 18:19.13 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, that is improvement! Dial tone is awesome. |
| 18:19.16 | Lunessa | Whoa! Whoa! The Status is NOT Quo. |
| 18:19.27 | kd3 | fisker; first name 'kaydee' last name 'three' |
| 18:19.28 | Lopeppeppy | I may upgrade my internets. Hmm. |
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| 18:19.48 | Fisker | liar |
| 18:19.55 | Fisker | i will stalk you come the name update |
| 18:20.10 | kd3 | er, yah. good luck with that. I'm not going to post on the cata forums if this goes through |
| 18:20.16 | Fisker | The best part is that you don't even have to be a battle.net user to stalk, harass, molest or even murder people |
| 18:21.08 | nevcairiel | would be kinda silly if you had to be a battle.net user to murder people |
| 18:21.13 | Lunessa | People keep saying, "But you have Facebook" - Yeah. But you can't see my name there without knowing me, 'cause I choose what gets indexed. |
| 18:22.04 | nevcairiel | like facebook actually respects your choice |
| 18:22.36 | durcyn | facebook's evil too, why they should want to emulate that evil is befuddling. |
| 18:24.18 | Lunessa | I've been pruning my available public data a lot lately. I consider nuking my facebook and twitter accounts all the time. |
| 18:24.32 | nevcairiel | I have a twitter account |
| 18:24.35 | Lunessa | Haven't /quite/ done it yet though. |
| 18:24.37 | nevcairiel | i didnt post one single tweet |
| 18:24.46 | nevcairiel | i just like to follow some companys that use it to announce stuff |
| 18:26.04 | cbreak | I don't think it is possible to delete anything from there |
| 18:26.05 | Fisker | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10543100.stm |
| 18:26.09 | Fisker | OWNED KD3 |
| 18:26.09 | Fisker | OWNT |
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| 18:26.15 | Fisker | i'm so fucking happy now |
| 18:26.18 | Fisker | haha kd3 |
| 18:26.19 | Fisker | ownt |
| 18:26.19 | cbreak | from what I read about their architecture, stuff never actually gets deleted |
| 18:26.25 | kd3 | sighs |
| 18:26.33 | Eluna | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-eu-beta Choppy and bad? |
| 18:26.34 | Eluna | :P |
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| 18:28.03 | Fisker | it's because i rang up AT&T and told them i was kaydee three |
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| 18:32.20 | malreth | talent tree craziness in cataclysm |
| 18:32.59 | cbreak | currently probably very in-transition |
| 18:33.15 | eidolarr | cbreak: to my understanding, images are never deleted, the rest is a unclear |
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| 18:33.43 | eidolarr | but images are probably the most valuable part heh |
| 18:33.44 | Blia | hello |
| 18:33.59 | eidolarr | hi |
| 18:34.05 | nevcairiel | doesnt facebook have some terms that basically make them own the images you upload? |
| 18:34.38 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 18:34.38 | eidolarr | sort of, you give them the right to distribute or something like that so you can't sue them when they don't bother to delete it |
| 18:35.28 | malreth | which is why none of my photos (other than profile pics) will ever touch facebook |
| 18:35.32 | nevcairiel | sounds like you shouldnt upload images |
| 18:35.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 18:36.08 | eidolarr | even if you delete all references to it, people can access it with the URL... somewhere there's an image floating around that is just the text "this image was removed from facebook in 2007" |
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| 18:36.40 | kd3|hate`net | damn it all |
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| 18:36.53 | nevcairiel | kd3: that happens when you praise at&t |
| 18:37.59 | Eluna | Playing a goblin live now if anyone wants to see. :P |
| 18:38.32 | eidolarr | Eluna: can you jump high |
| 18:40.36 | Blia | i try to create an addon and a part of it, features the target's portrait. but i have issues when i try to get it to work. |
| 18:40.42 | Blia | I got this error : Message: Interface\AddOns\TEST\TestPortrait.lua:96: attempt to index local 'self' (a nil value) |
| 18:40.54 | cbreak | then don't index self |
| 18:41.09 | cbreak | look for what you do on line 96 of that file |
| 18:41.24 | Blia | most of the code is based on InspectFrame |
| 18:41.32 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry I disbelieved, kd3! |
| 18:41.34 | Blia | and it uses "self' a lot |
| 18:41.50 | cbreak | you have to set self before you use it |
| 18:41.54 | cbreak | either implicitly or explicitly |
| 18:41.57 | eidolarr | at some point on line 96 you are using self like it was a table, and in fact it's nil |
| 18:42.13 | eidolarr | try putting assert(self) right before it |
| 18:42.16 | cbreak | I suspect that most likely you use . instead of : somewhere |
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| 18:42.44 | eidolarr | cbreak: colon indexes too though? |
| 18:42.46 | cbreak | or you make a new method like a function without using self as first parameter |
| 18:43.01 | eidolarr | oh like in the declaration |
| 18:43.01 | cbreak | eidolarr: it's when you call abc:def() and use self inside def |
| 18:43.14 | eidolarr | gotcha |
| 18:43.38 | Blia | here is the XML file : http://pastebin.com/4JR2qUZu |
| 18:43.46 | cbreak | but it could also be that he does something like abc.def = function () ... |
| 18:43.57 | eidolarr | the error is in the lua file |
| 18:43.57 | cbreak | instead of abc.def = function (self) or |
| 18:44.01 | eidolarr | it would probably be more useful |
| 18:44.09 | cbreak | function abc:def() |
| 18:44.23 | Blia | and the Lua file : http://pastebin.com/6dcYj7hH |
| 18:44.57 | malreth | Blia: so what you do is you take line 96 and you work backwards |
| 18:45.03 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 18:45.10 | eidolarr | so you know self is nil there |
| 18:45.11 | malreth | you use 'self.unit' and the error says that 'self' is nil |
| 18:45.18 | eidolarr | so someone is calling the function with a nil value |
| 18:45.35 | Blia | hmm |
| 18:45.35 | eidolarr | if you look at the xml file, line 539, you're calling OnUpdate without an argument |
| 18:46.09 | cbreak | Blia: what you should do is get swatter or similar |
| 18:46.13 | malreth | basically, you find where that function is being called from and you make sure it's being called correctly... make sense, Blia? |
| 18:46.14 | cbreak | that way you get a nice backtrace |
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| 18:46.29 | cbreak | of course, you can find this problem with simple code inspection |
| 18:46.35 | cbreak | but it's easier to have the addon tell you :) |
| 18:46.52 | Blia | :-) |
| 18:46.54 | eidolarr | is there no backtrace by default still? I thought they were going to add it |
| 18:46.57 | malreth | and then there's cbreak's suggestion. stacktraces are very helpful |
| 18:47.12 | cbreak | I have no idea |
| 18:47.23 | cbreak | I stopped doing addon development when I got my job :) |
| 18:47.31 | cbreak | (actually I stopped long before...) |
| 18:47.36 | malreth | i think there is... but i dunno how stacktraces work when they're rooted in an XML file |
| 18:47.55 | eidolarr | verbosely |
| 18:48.11 | nevcairiel | like any other backtrace |
| 18:48.41 | malreth | ah... didn't know for sure |
| 18:49.21 | Dagmar | Way to go Best Buy! |
| 18:49.50 | malreth | NO, Dagmar. Best Buy is our enemy! |
| 18:50.11 | Dagmar | IN addition to not telling anyone about the SCII beta key promotion being over, and letting people sit an wonder why keys weren't arriving, apparently they just cancelled the pre-orders of a bunch of people. |
| 18:50.24 | Dagmar | Clearly, they don't want my damn money anymore |
| 18:51.10 | nevcairiel | why would they cancel a pre-order? |
| 18:51.14 | nevcairiel | thats just stupid :S |
| 18:52.05 | cbreak | privacy? :) |
| 18:52.25 | eidolarr | haha |
| 18:53.08 | Dagmar | nevcariel: I've no idea, and as per usual, they're directing people on their forums to send a message to "Josh" so they can be told nothing useful in private. |
| 18:53.54 | Blia | Does Ace3 framework makes things easier ? |
| 18:54.18 | eidolarr | Blia: it depends, if you don't understand what it's doing it can make them harder |
| 18:54.22 | Blia | because I am new to the 'wow addon development' and it's rather hard. |
| 18:55.05 | eidolarr | I find that gui stuff is more quirky, you might try staying in Lua for a little while |
| 18:56.04 | cbreak | I never used any external code in my addons |
| 18:56.20 | cbreak | it's easily possible to do that |
| 18:56.28 | Blia | what addons have you created, cbreak ? |
| 18:56.34 | cbreak | but if you want advanced, especially gui features, reinventing the wheel is tricky |
| 18:57.01 | cbreak | various. ArtPad, TargetCheck, BarTracker, ElementalFlux are those I published |
| 18:57.15 | Blia | ok |
| 18:57.17 | cbreak | as you can see, neither is a graphical masterpiece :) but the code is great |
| 18:57.47 | eidolarr | artpad sounds graphical! |
| 18:57.59 | cbreak | it was a tech demo |
| 18:58.07 | cbreak | imagine a rectangle where you can draw stuff with your mouse |
| 18:58.13 | cbreak | and everyone in your raid sees that picture |
| 18:58.19 | cbreak | and has to guess what you drew |
| 18:58.28 | Dagmar | It's not hard to guess. Everyone knows what a penis looks like. |
| 18:58.28 | cbreak | the original idea was to use it for strategies |
| 18:58.42 | cbreak | but people stopped wanting to beat bosses |
| 18:58.52 | cbreak | and instead settled with reading spoilers and just executing some scripts |
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| 18:59.36 | Blia | hasn't Artpad been blocked by Blizzard ? I think I read something related to this in an update changelog |
| 18:59.59 | eidolarr | that was the one where you draw things and project them onto the 3d world |
| 19:00.12 | Blia | ok |
| 19:00.38 | eidolarr | so you could draw circles in particular areas of the room |
| 19:00.45 | eidolarr | never understood how that one worked |
| 19:00.51 | Kraps | ok then. BBC and AP |
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| 19:04.47 | mikma | go buy more! |
| 19:05.14 | Kraps | Mr Brand said that one Blizzard employee posted his real name on the forums, saying that there was no risk to users, and the experiment went drastically wrong. |
| 19:05.16 | Kraps | "Within five minutes, users had got hold of his telephone number, home address, photographs of him and a ton of other information," said Mr Brand |
| 19:05.23 | cbreak | artpad is old. I wrote it years ago. |
| 19:05.31 | kd3 | kraps; that's on bbc? |
| 19:05.39 | Kraps | yes kd3 |
| 19:05.40 | cbreak | it's impossible for blizzard to block it without preventing most addons from running |
| 19:05.48 | kd3 | ! |
| 19:06.04 | mikma | block what? |
| 19:06.15 | eidolarr | cbreak: they block by name I think |
| 19:06.22 | Blia | cbreak : what addon of yours was the hardest to code ? |
| 19:06.31 | Blia | and/or the longest? |
| 19:06.46 | cbreak | I think ArtPad and BarTracker are the biggest |
| 19:06.51 | cbreak | because of the graphics |
| 19:06.56 | nevcairiel | Kraps: that argument fails, blizzard employees names are already known, alot of the more active ones have wowwiki pages, and all of them are on the game credits |
| 19:06.59 | cbreak | but none of them is really complex |
| 19:07.19 | Blia | how long did it take for you to finish artpad for example ? |
| 19:07.37 | Kraps | no one had a reason to look him up before now |
| 19:07.42 | cbreak | no idea |
| 19:07.46 | Kraps | hes a pretty cool guy |
| 19:07.46 | cbreak | a few days combined I guess |
| 19:07.54 | Blia | just a few days only.. |
| 19:07.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: but that doesn't change the fact that it was always available |
| 19:08.06 | cbreak | but those few days were spread over months |
| 19:08.17 | cbreak | since I don't work 24/7 on addons :) |
| 19:08.38 | Blia | and in the meantime, you read documentations about Lua and XML... ? |
| 19:08.50 | eidolarr | he probably slept at least some of the meantime |
| 19:08.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i think in the mean time he has a life :P |
| 19:08.54 | Kraps | making it easier is ok? |
| 19:08.55 | cbreak | nah. XML sucks. and lua is cake. |
| 19:08.56 | Lopeppeppy | Blia, everyone codes and learns at their own pace. :) |
| 19:09.14 | cbreak | lua is very very easy to learn if you already know half a dozen other languages :) |
| 19:09.25 | Blia | I lol |
| 19:09.29 | Blia | I know none |
| 19:09.39 | Blia | that's why I asked all these questions :-) |
| 19:09.44 | eidolarr | well lua isn't a bad first language |
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| 19:10.01 | Kraps | what about people whose info is NOT readily available but are well know, like MVPs? |
| 19:10.13 | cbreak | I think lua's a great language |
| 19:10.21 | Blia | xml is easy, but Lua is ... the hard part for me |
| 19:10.25 | cbreak | it's very simple, expressive and powerful |
| 19:10.31 | cbreak | tip: stay away from XML |
| 19:10.35 | cbreak | they claim it's human readable |
| 19:10.43 | cbreak | but if you look at the grammar, no way that's possible |
| 19:10.51 | eidolarr | nevcairiel: I don't think the argument is that Blizzard employees are at great risk, it's that it's easy to dig up info if you're determined |
| 19:10.59 | Blia | you can create an addon only with Lua files ? |
| 19:11.03 | Kraps | http://watchingthewatchers.org/indepth/1365085/korean-law-driving-policy-blizzard |
| 19:11.05 | cbreak | sure |
| 19:11.19 | cbreak | I can create an addon just by typing /script commands in the chat entry box |
| 19:11.30 | cbreak | but it's tedious and the addon vanishes when I relog. |
| 19:11.35 | eidolarr | need saved variables :P |
| 19:12.46 | Seerah | nah, that's not it. It's that all of your code goes *poof* :p |
| 19:12.47 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, don't give me goosebumps, kk? |
| 19:12.55 | eidolarr | nevcairiel: the blizzard employee, acting as a demonstration of how harmless publishing your name is, became an example of how much info can be found |
| 19:13.08 | Kraps | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 19:13.19 | eidolarr | it's not a question of whether his name was secret before, but of whether people can dig you up given your name on a forum post |
| 19:13.34 | nevcairiel | that entirely depends how freely you published your data |
| 19:14.31 | eidolarr | sure, but his example failed :P |
| 19:16.09 | Blia | since I am blocked with my addon, I think i'll ask for help on wow interface forums. |
| 19:16.25 | malreth | yes... but the act of publishing his name on a forum didn't suddenly cause his info to appear elsewhere on the internet |
| 19:16.26 | cbreak | I know someone who knows someone who works for a debit collector. Apparently that person claims there are many ways to find out info about people that are much more effective than looking on the internet |
| 19:16.40 | nevcairiel | of course there are |
| 19:16.49 | cbreak | like looking up some government registries |
| 19:17.08 | amro | you'd be surprised at how much info you can get with a phonecall |
| 19:17.22 | nevcairiel | social engineering is still the strongest source of information |
| 19:17.33 | amro | but the point is, posting your name on the internet makes you stand out as a potential target |
| 19:17.46 | amro | especially if say you're having an argument with someone |
| 19:17.50 | nevcairiel | not if everyone is doing it |
| 19:18.08 | amro | not everyone is arguing either |
| 19:18.10 | nevcairiel | that korean law is kinda weird, though |
| 19:18.12 | malreth | that's why i sow misinformation into google results for my name |
| 19:18.13 | Xinhuan | btw, new sc2 beta patch |
| 19:18.16 | Lopeppeppy | Blia, most of the regular posters to that forum are already right here. :) |
| 19:18.19 | Xinhuan | gogo start downloading |
| 19:18.26 | malreth | like the home addresses of my enemies |
| 19:18.36 | Lopeppeppy | But you may get additional input if you post your code into a pastey and link that on your forum post, sure. |
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| 19:20.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@dsl4E5C0776.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 19:20.30 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: i tried doing that, but my biggest enemy is myself, so that kind of backfired |
| 19:27.12 | Kraps | http://trueslant.com/tassi/2010/07/07/blizzards-war-on-anonymity-will-have-casualties-on-all-sides/ |
| 19:28.57 | cbreak | someone should do a tally |
| 19:29.10 | cbreak | how many articles are pro, how many contra anonymity-destruction |
| 19:30.07 | Lopeppeppy | As usual, 50/50 if everyone is responsible. :P |
| 19:30.17 | Kraps | heh |
| 19:31.13 | Kraps | cbreak: i havent read a "this is awesome!" post yet, best is cautiously optimistic |
| 19:32.28 | Kraps | huffington post lol |
| 19:33.37 | Kraps | oh this guy is very pro |
| 19:33.54 | foxlit | Kraps: that url redirected to a broken protol |
| 19:34.02 | foxlit | s/tol/tocol/ |
| 19:34.03 | Kraps | and holds the "Needless to say, I do honestly think that people are against the new policy because it holds them accountable to their opinion" bullshit |
| 19:34.07 | foxlit | and then a 404 |
| 19:34.21 | Kraps | hmm |
| 19:34.59 | NightHawkTheSane | What we really need is for blizzard to charge you for every lie, exaggeration, or insult you post on the forums. |
| 19:35.16 | Kraps | foxlit: its down |
| 19:35.22 | Lopeppeppy | Crashed hard. :) |
| 19:36.01 | *** join/#wowuidev jacobeiting (~jacobeiti@phy-dhcp-34-254.mps.ohio-state.edu) |
| 19:36.58 | Kraps | "Needless to say, I do honestly think that people are against the new policy because it holds them accountable to their opinion" |
| 19:37.12 | cbreak | it doesn't |
| 19:37.13 | Kraps | hurr hurr |
| 19:37.18 | kd3|hate`net | the fu? |
| 19:37.24 | kd3|hate`net | who do I yell at for posting that? |
| 19:37.32 | Kraps | this genius http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/07/07/dont-like-blizzards-new-anti-anonymous-commenting-policy-tough-luck/ |
| 19:38.37 | Kraps | MIT Tech Review has the AP story |
| 19:38.40 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 19:38.52 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly |
| 19:39.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i really hope blizzard goes through with it, regardless of what anyone says |
| 19:39.05 | Cide | me too |
| 19:39.17 | NightHawkTheSane | if only because i want to see the consequenses (either way) |
| 19:39.19 | Cide | I like the smell of ashes |
| 19:39.24 | NeoTron | BURN |
| 19:39.42 | Kraps | "Obama hopes LeBron James becomes a Chicago Bull" |
| 19:39.56 | cbreak | Kraps: sounds like someone a nudist would write |
| 19:40.07 | Kraps | ... |
| 19:40.58 | Cide | Don't like Blizzard's new anti-anonymous commenting policy? Don't Post |
| 19:41.41 | Dashkal | I hate that argument. |
| 19:41.48 | Eluna | It's a valid one. |
| 19:41.55 | Dashkal | It's too black and white |
| 19:41.55 | Cide | It is a valid one. |
| 19:41.59 | Cide | so is your mom |
| 19:41.59 | kd3 | unless you're trying to get help from customer service or tech support |
| 19:42.03 | kd3 | >.> |
| 19:42.03 | foxlit | "But I want the cake and eat it too!" |
| 19:42.03 | Eluna | Internet + Anonymity = Fucktard |
| 19:42.15 | nevcairiel | customer service has email and phone |
| 19:42.23 | Dashkal | There are steps between hanging your real identity on everything and full anonyminity |
| 19:42.36 | Cide | nope |
| 19:42.37 | kd3 | has yet to ever get through trying to call blizz on the phone |
| 19:42.39 | foxlit | And realid is in one of those steps |
| 19:42.48 | nevcairiel | i never really needed any service |
| 19:42.53 | foxlit | Not like they say "Cide is John McPants, living in Stockholm at 123 Anystreet" |
| 19:43.07 | Cide | André Eriksson, Studentbacken 23 (right city) |
| 19:43.09 | Dashkal | But that's going on a tangent. I hate that argument (and those like it) BECAUSE it's too black and white. It gives all the power to adjust in small amounts to whoever offers the system. Compromise anybody? |
| 19:43.16 | nevcairiel | all i called GMs for was a broken elevator in mechanar, and some pet i destroyed that i wanted back |
| 19:43.22 | NightHawkTheSane | man. the name McPants is an awesome name. |
| 19:44.07 | Cide | anyway |
| 19:44.12 | Cide | if you drop the full name |
| 19:44.30 | Cide | everyone would just hide behind their custom-picked fake nickname |
| 19:44.41 | Cide | and you gain no accountability |
| 19:44.58 | Dashkal | Permanent pseudonym + karma |
| 19:45.04 | nevcairiel | as long as trolls cant change identity by creating another l1 char |
| 19:45.10 | nevcairiel | it improves slightly |
| 19:45.14 | Cide | no |
| 19:45.18 | Cide | well slightly sure |
| 19:45.22 | Dashkal | Trolls quickly end up automatically posting in grey |
| 19:45.24 | Cide | but not significantly by any measure |
| 19:45.46 | Cide | every troll would become what Fisker is to us |
| 19:45.49 | Shirik | ^ |
| 19:45.52 | cbreak | there's nothing that prevents them getting a fake name anyway |
| 19:45.52 | Cide | consistent identity, successful troll |
| 19:46.14 | Dashkal | Fisker isn't successful to me. I already skim over his trolling |
| 19:46.22 | Cide | successful is arguable |
| 19:46.30 | nevcairiel | one troll usually isnt bad |
| 19:46.37 | nevcairiel | a whole forum full of them |
| 19:46.43 | nevcairiel | not much fun |
| 19:46.47 | cbreak | just let the sunlight in. |
| 19:46.51 | Dashkal | Once the troll is identified, and marked (by dimming their posts or whatever) their impact is lessened |
| 19:47.19 | Dashkal | Also, there'll be plenty of trolls who will troll using real names. Look at Facebook for examples of people who simply don't care what they attach to their name |
| 19:47.39 | cbreak | Darl McBride |
| 19:47.42 | Cide | of course |
| 19:47.55 | Cide | but they are much fewer between |
| 19:48.08 | Dashkal | So I'm not seeing where having a real name improves the situation. About all this will really do is seriously reduce forum traffic. |
| 19:48.16 | Dashkal | Making the forums an even smaller cross section of wow's community |
| 19:48.27 | Dashkal | Making them less useful |
| 19:48.29 | cbreak | that's what I expect too |
| 19:48.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i think the only real valid complaint i've heard is that of stalking & safety. |
| 19:48.57 | cbreak | WoW will shrink in the near future |
| 19:49.19 | cbreak | my complaint is that I don't want to tell anyone my name. |
| 19:49.21 | cbreak | that's valid. |
| 19:49.27 | Cide | so don't post |
| 19:49.29 | Cide | simple <3 |
| 19:49.30 | cbreak | exactly |
| 19:49.32 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, but you can just not post |
| 19:49.34 | cbreak | that's what I do :) |
| 19:49.47 | cbreak | (I also got an account with a fake name just in case) |
| 19:49.48 | Dagmar | It's just a dumb noob move on their part. |
| 19:49.49 | Cide | and the argument that it will allow people to find their corpse campers' real name is entirely false |
| 19:49.51 | cbreak | who knows what blizzard does next |
| 19:49.58 | Cide | because there is no character => real name map |
| 19:50.02 | cbreak | maybe only allow real-id friends in SCII |
| 19:50.31 | Cide | why would they? |
| 19:50.36 | cbreak | Cide: google will build one for those who opt posting with their char too |
| 19:50.36 | Dashkal | Cide: There will be a character -> name map once people post and attach their characters. If nobody did or could do that, then sure. |
| 19:50.40 | cbreak | Cide: who knows |
| 19:50.45 | Cide | cbreak, can only pick one char though |
| 19:50.48 | Kraps | condolence calls suck :( |
| 19:50.48 | cbreak | maybe to prevent trolls in the in-game chat? |
| 19:51.05 | Cide | that's much less a problem |
| 19:51.16 | Cide | the forums are for feedback and civilized discussion |
| 19:51.20 | Cide | in-game chat not so |
| 19:51.27 | Dashkal | People will need to identify themselves for various purposes anyway. Guild recruitment. Realm events, etc. |
| 19:51.58 | cbreak | gruild recruitment? |
| 19:52.07 | Cide | yeah what? |
| 19:52.12 | Cide | that makes no sense |
| 19:52.14 | cbreak | Almost no one in my guild knows my real identity, and I am the GM since four years. |
| 19:52.15 | Xinhuan | i'm predicting that people would just shift to unofficial wow forums on various fansites |
| 19:52.27 | nevcairiel | they won't |
| 19:52.30 | Cide | some will |
| 19:52.34 | Cide | the ones that don't want to post |
| 19:52.36 | nevcairiel | there is no appeal in unofficial forums |
| 19:52.37 | Cide | but it won't be that many |
| 19:52.39 | Dagmar | A particularly bad part of this is that they'll be enticing people who won't know any better to expose their real names on the internet |
| 19:52.40 | nevcairiel | no blues there |
| 19:52.48 | Cide | Dagmar, nope |
| 19:52.49 | Dagmar | It's just something you should NOT be doing on hte internet. |
| 19:52.52 | Xinhuan | there is far less appeal for thousands to post real id |
| 19:52.53 | Cide | there's parental controls for the young people |
| 19:52.56 | Cide | and ample of warning for the rest |
| 19:53.03 | Dagmar | Cide: Adults can be stalked, too. |
| 19:53.08 | Cide | then don't post. |
| 19:53.21 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: they will rather not post, 95% of all posts on the forum are some kind of appeal to get blue attention |
| 19:53.28 | cbreak | parental controls are a strawman |
| 19:53.30 | Xinhuan | i've never really seen a 300 page thread in 24 hours before |
| 19:53.32 | Dashkal | ignores Cide so this can be discussed without ultimatum responses every 5 lines |
| 19:53.33 | Dagmar | Frankly, "don't post" misses the damn point. |
| 19:53.35 | nevcairiel | short of realm forums, maybe |
| 19:53.38 | cbreak | it would require parents to have a clue. |
| 19:53.42 | Dagmar | It's _dangerous_ to tell people on the internet your real name. |
| 19:53.43 | Cide | Dashkal, thank you |
| 19:53.53 | Dagmar | Some of them are unstable jackasses |
| 19:53.56 | Kraps | http://www.box.net/shared/ev21tovdcy |
| 19:53.59 | Cide | it's the alternative blizzard has gone with so I'm sticking to it |
| 19:54.09 | Dagmar | We learned this back in the *90's* |
| 19:54.15 | Dashkal | Dagmar: *nods* |
| 19:54.39 | Dagmar | Doesn't matter how well-meaning and "mature" a forum is, when real names are out there, someone INVARIABLY decides to take an argument to the street eventually. |
| 19:54.43 | Dashkal | Individually you aren't at any more risk than by having your damn name in the phone book. But the specific cases can get scary |
| 19:55.13 | Dagmar | Telling people to not post is like putting an interstate right through the middle of a city park and telling people "don't walk on it" in lieu of putting up fences |
| 19:55.13 | Dashkal | The point isn't that you, specifically, are in danger. It's that _someone_ will be. |
| 19:55.23 | Cide | what you're really saying is that the white pages are bad |
| 19:55.31 | Cide | therein lies the really dangerous map |
| 19:55.38 | Dagmar | Cide: Please justify that argument as something other than a non-sequitir |
| 19:55.42 | Cide | and it is *gasp* available on the internet |
| 19:55.45 | Dashkal | Cide: Trolling now? You know I didn't say that |
| 19:55.55 | Cide | nah |
| 19:55.55 | Dagmar | You should be ashamed for making that argument. |
| 19:55.57 | *** join/#wowuidev PiBot (~Chris@0x5733ebd7.vgnxx3.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 19:56.07 | Cide | "what you're really saying" was incorrect wording |
| 19:56.26 | Cide | the white pages provide all the possibly dangerous information |
| 19:56.27 | Dashkal | The white pages don't attach people to their opinions |
| 19:56.37 | Cide | the white pages attach people to their address and contact information |
| 19:56.40 | Dagmar | Shameful |
| 19:56.40 | Cide | arguably that's worse |
| 19:56.51 | PiBot | Hi guys i have a problem which i was hoping you could help me resolve :D - My MultiBarBottomLeft (Bar2) has the same buttons as the actionbar. I am not using any bar mods |
| 19:56.54 | Dashkal | This is true, and hence I'm unlisted |
| 19:57.31 | cbreak | names are already attached to addresses by virtue of name tags on buildings |
| 19:57.34 | Dagmar | Pibot: The default bars are doing that? Drag some icons out of there |
| 19:57.40 | cbreak | but an identity is more than a name |
| 19:57.43 | Cide | cbreak, harder to scan |
| 19:57.48 | PiBot | The problem is, if I do that the "mainbar" looses them too |
| 19:57.51 | cbreak | it's name + being |
| 19:58.00 | Cide | unless you have access to the equivalent of a high-resolution google street view |
| 19:58.10 | Xinhuan | PiBot, you are probably on bar 5 or 6 then on your main bar |
| 19:58.17 | Xinhuan | just press shift+1 to go back to bar 1 |
| 19:58.23 | PiBot | sec I'll try :P |
| 19:58.29 | Xinhuan | or shift+2 for bar 2, etc |
| 19:58.32 | PiBot | Nope. |
| 19:58.32 | Dagmar | Xinhuan++ |
| 19:58.36 | PiBot | And both bars changes |
| 19:58.37 | Dagmar | I'd completely forgotten you could do that |
| 19:58.43 | PiBot | I have reset my UI |
| 19:58.49 | PiBot | Didn't work |
| 19:58.52 | Xinhuan | if you rebinded shift+1, etc |
| 19:58.54 | nevcairiel | You know, 80% of all bartender tickets i get are because of the damn shift-bar-switching |
| 19:58.55 | cbreak | Cide: would you wear your passport/ID Card as nameplate? |
| 19:58.57 | Xinhuan | then that wouldn't work |
| 19:59.00 | Dagmar | PiBot: make sure you're using no addons then |
| 19:59.03 | Xinhuan | so click on the up/down arrows |
| 19:59.04 | Cide | cbreak, what? |
| 19:59.07 | PiBot | I'm not. |
| 19:59.12 | durcyn | what the hell, Germany. |
| 19:59.13 | Dagmar | The default bars aren't supposed to be able to wind up with duped button ids |
| 19:59.16 | PiBot | I just deleted everything |
| 19:59.17 | Xinhuan | that are between your bar and the character button |
| 19:59.22 | Cide | cbreak, on the forums you mean? |
| 19:59.24 | cbreak | attaching a name to an identity is problematic |
| 19:59.24 | Xinhuan | dagmar, they do |
| 19:59.31 | Cide | I wouldn't mind it too much |
| 19:59.32 | cbreak | cbreak: no, I mean anywhere in public |
| 19:59.32 | Xinhuan | bar 5 and 6 are repeated on the right bars |
| 19:59.35 | cbreak | like when you go buy bread |
| 19:59.39 | Cide | I already stated my home address earlier today |
| 19:59.50 | Cide | I give out my id card all the time |
| 19:59.55 | PiBot | Any solutions guys? :S |
| 19:59.59 | PiBot | It's annoying as hell |
| 20:00.00 | Xinhuan | i told you PiBot |
| 20:00.05 | Xinhuan | click on the up/down arrows |
| 20:00.08 | Xinhuan | that are between your bar and the character button |
| 20:00.10 | cbreak | yeah, to selected people |
| 20:00.10 | Cide | when authorizing credit card payments usually |
| 20:00.13 | PiBot | They both change |
| 20:00.18 | PiBot | They are "linked" somehow |
| 20:00.21 | Cide | selected people aren't really any different from random people |
| 20:00.21 | cbreak | but you don't wear it as nametag |
| 20:00.23 | PiBot | It's only the left one |
| 20:00.26 | Cide | other than that the sample is smaller |
| 20:00.35 | PiBot | LeftBottom and the main bar has gotten linked |
| 20:00.36 | Cide | cbreak, the two are really no different other than the exposure |
| 20:00.39 | cbreak | much smaller, and controlled |
| 20:00.42 | Dagmar | Nonsense |
| 20:00.46 | Cide | controlled? not really |
| 20:00.47 | PiBot | Indeed |
| 20:00.50 | Xinhuan | then you probably need to delete your WTF folder |
| 20:00.54 | Cide | I wouldn't have any issues wearing my id card around stockholm |
| 20:00.54 | PiBot | I have done that |
| 20:00.57 | PiBot | And all others |
| 20:00.59 | PiBot | Interface |
| 20:01.09 | cbreak | you can individually decide not to give the name to the guy with the katana and the bottle of booze |
| 20:01.09 | PiBot | I've even removed my custom fonts |
| 20:01.18 | cbreak | (if you manage to run fast enough) |
| 20:01.20 | Cide | cbreak, naturally |
| 20:01.23 | Xinhuan | only an addon could reassign the button IDs |
| 20:01.27 | Xinhuan | so that they link |
| 20:01.41 | PiBot | I have no addons anymore I moved the folder |
| 20:01.49 | PiBot | WTF Cache Interface and Fonts |
| 20:01.53 | PiBot | Still the same |
| 20:01.57 | Xinhuan | are you running the wrong copy of wow perhaps? |
| 20:02.03 | PiBot | Nope |
| 20:02.03 | Xinhuan | you moved ptr or beta folders? |
| 20:02.10 | PiBot | I'm not into ptr or beta |
| 20:02.21 | PiBot | Just good 'ol argent dawn :P |
| 20:02.23 | Cide | cbreak, but there are statistically just as many random people I give my credit card and id card to while shopping etc as there are out on the town |
| 20:02.25 | PiBot | No private server btw |
| 20:02.30 | Cide | including alcoholics and crazy people with a katana |
| 20:02.34 | Dagmar | Well, you're overlooking something relatively obvious, becuase at this point you shoudn't have any buttons preset at all |
| 20:02.50 | PiBot | God hates me :( |
| 20:03.00 | PiBot | He is trying to tell me not to play wow |
| 20:03.05 | Dagmar | Wait, you're using Windows 7 or Vista aren't you |
| 20:03.09 | cbreak | Cide: what do you mean? |
| 20:03.13 | Cide | given the recent changes, don't be surprised if he is, PiBot |
| 20:03.14 | PiBot | OS X, of course :P |
| 20:03.16 | NightHawkTheSane | bah, spain scored! |
| 20:03.17 | cbreak | you give your credit card to anyone? |
| 20:03.19 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck spain |
| 20:03.25 | Cide | cbreak, no, but statistically I do |
| 20:03.26 | Dagmar | PiBot: Okay, scratch that theory then |
| 20:03.31 | Cide | I know nothing about store clerks |
| 20:03.40 | cbreak | why do you give them the card? |
| 20:03.44 | Dagmar | Cide: What do credit cards have to do with forums? |
| 20:03.47 | Dagmar | Seriously. |
| 20:03.49 | Cide | in order to pay |
| 20:03.53 | Kraps | hey Cide the title of this story isnt "Some random guy hunts down and stabs some random other guy who he found in the phonebook" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7771505/Video-game-fanatic-hunts-down-and-stabs-rival-player-who-killed-character-online.html |
| 20:03.56 | cbreak | I am not experienced with them, but don't you slide the card through the scanner? |
| 20:03.59 | Cide | Dagmar, nothing; have I said so? |
| 20:04.00 | cbreak | and then type the number in? |
| 20:04.05 | Dagmar | There's federal agencies ready and willing to go bust heads if someone misuses your credit card information |
| 20:04.14 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (smcn@c-174-52-104-121.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:04.14 | Cide | cbreak, oh I do, but I don't believe it is very secure |
| 20:04.23 | cbreak | it's not |
| 20:04.24 | nevcairiel | Kraps: people who are broken like this will do it either way |
| 20:04.25 | Dagmar | If some unstable jerk starts trashing your reputation or pulling prank after prank, until the dollar value goes over $15,000 even the FBI will ignore you |
| 20:04.26 | Cide | I am confident it's not prominently displayed on the monitor to them, however |
| 20:04.28 | cbreak | credit cards are not secure... |
| 20:04.37 | PiBot | Well. I guess I'll just uninstall WoW and Delete my account bb.. |
| 20:04.42 | PiBot | I wont play anymore |
| 20:04.44 | PiBot | This sucks |
| 20:04.46 | Cide | while buying liquor I have to give them my id card all the time |
| 20:04.56 | Dagmar | PiBot: There *are* actual support forums for this you can try |
| 20:04.58 | cbreak | as proof that you're not underage |
| 20:05.01 | Cide | yes |
| 20:05.05 | durcyn | what liquor store publishes your name for all to see, cide? |
| 20:05.08 | cbreak | purpose driven |
| 20:05.08 | Dagmar | PiBot: you delete your account, we don't lose a cent |
| 20:05.11 | Cide | durcyn, none |
| 20:05.18 | Cide | it's not what this discussion is about, however |
| 20:05.27 | Kraps | nevcairiel: RealID will make it easier for less "broken" people to do less extreme things more often |
| 20:05.29 | Cide | (as far as I know, I'm just answering cbreak's questions mostly) |
| 20:05.31 | Dagmar | It's about completely wasting your timne, durcyn |
| 20:05.33 | cbreak | what I want is control. I don't give my name to random people, just to people who have a purpose to know it |
| 20:05.49 | Cide | well statistically they are just as random as anyone |
| 20:05.57 | Dagmar | Cide: False. |
| 20:06.00 | cbreak | no. they are in proximity with me |
| 20:06.00 | Cide | true |
| 20:06.07 | Cide | but you know nothing about their background |
| 20:06.09 | Dagmar | No, that's false. |
| 20:06.16 | Cide | their background is as statistically varied as the people around town |
| 20:06.20 | cbreak | I know that they require to know my name |
| 20:06.22 | Dagmar | They specifically have a need. "Random" people do not. |
| 20:06.27 | Cide | they have a need |
| 20:06.36 | Cide | but that says nothing about what else they may do with the information |
| 20:06.39 | Kraps | lol |
| 20:06.43 | Dagmar | Wait, forhet I said anything. I'm not wasting my time with such trollery. |
| 20:07.00 | Dagmar | Enticing it might be, nonsense it definitely is. |
| 20:07.00 | Cide | I'm not trolling |
| 20:07.02 | cbreak | for example, when some coworker introduces me to someone he knows, I usually say "I am programmer at drz, but I am not important, so you don't need to remember my name" |
| 20:07.23 | cbreak | because they don't need to know it |
| 20:07.32 | Dagmar | cide: If you'd like, when I decide to give a damn, I can link you wikipedia explanations of the simple fallacies you're engaging in |
| 20:07.38 | Cide | Dagmar, tell me how a need to know your contact details in order to fulfill their duties someone removes the ability for someone to find you and, say, beat you up? |
| 20:07.46 | Dagmar | I mean, come on... white pages? |
| 20:07.49 | Cide | I'm not engaging in any fallacies |
| 20:08.01 | Cide | but feel free to cite me and link |
| 20:08.10 | Cide | mathematics says it's true, however |
| 20:08.13 | Kraps | i'm quite confident that my local bartender has a much lesser chance of harassing me than a random person on the wow forums who might take the game too seriously |
| 20:08.14 | Dagmar | No, it doesn't. |
| 20:08.18 | Cide | how is it not? |
| 20:08.22 | cbreak | it's called reduced exposure |
| 20:08.31 | Cide | you're just limiting the sample |
| 20:08.36 | cbreak | that's the point |
| 20:08.37 | Cide | the distribution is the same |
| 20:08.45 | Dagmar | people you do ecommerce with have a cested interest in not abusing hte info, there is also a very serious system set up to prevent such abuse |
| 20:08.48 | cbreak | shall I tell you a pizza analogy? |
| 20:08.50 | malreth | poor Random... getting pinged all day long for no reason |
| 20:08.54 | Cide | cbreak, sure |
| 20:08.54 | Dagmar | A random person on the street has neither of these things. |
| 20:09.06 | Dagmar | A five year old kid knows this, but somehow you don't. |
| 20:09.11 | Dagmar | Trollery. |
| 20:09.21 | cbreak | imagine having to eat a random slice of a four seasons pizza |
| 20:09.28 | nevcairiel | You're both kinda trolling along, its fun to watch |
| 20:09.33 | cbreak | but you're alergic to pineapple |
| 20:09.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 20:09.37 | Cide | wait a sec cbreak |
| 20:09.44 | Cide | I want to state that I am seriously not trolling at all |
| 20:09.48 | cbreak | does it make a difference to your health if you had to eat one slice out of 100 pizzas? |
| 20:09.52 | Cide | but feel free to disagree |
| 20:10.04 | Dagmar | Casually trolling then |
| 20:10.05 | cbreak | answer: yes, because you'd explode after the first 20 slices... |
| 20:10.21 | Xinhuan | i'm tempted to link the trololol song here |
| 20:10.26 | Xinhuan | cos its so good |
| 20:10.32 | Cide | well certainly |
| 20:10.34 | cbreak | I am alliance. I can't be a troll. |
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| 20:10.56 | Cide | the number of people who will end up at your house with a baseball bat may be larger if you flash your id around town |
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| 20:11.43 | Cide | but flashing it to ONE store clerk is the same as flashing it to ONE random person on the street, while you are blindfolded |
| 20:11.46 | NightHawkTheSane | man, germany needs to man up and score soon |
| 20:11.59 | Ackis | what's GDKP? |
| 20:12.02 | Kraps | lol soccer |
| 20:12.24 | Dashkal | Cide: There's a marginal difference: Visibly unstable types don't easily get clerk jobsd |
| 20:12.29 | malreth | NightHawkTheSane: forget it... SPN for the win |
| 20:12.46 | Cide | Dashkal, most killers integrate quite well into society |
| 20:12.49 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: apparently. they've been dominating the game |
| 20:12.54 | Cide | but it's a contrived example all along |
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| 20:13.26 | Dagmar | http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/hasty-generalization.html |
| 20:13.37 | Cide | Dagmar, cite? |
| 20:13.46 | Dagmar | white pages -> http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html |
| 20:13.54 | Cide | quote me |
| 20:14.08 | Dagmar | Cide: the first was your talk about giving your credeit card to random strangers being hte same as doing so to vendors |
| 20:14.11 | Dagmar | No. |
| 20:14.27 | Dagmar | I have about >< much patience with trollery, and you've used it up for today. |
| 20:14.29 | Cide | why don't you read my explanation above |
| 20:14.31 | Xinhuan | ackis: Gold DKP |
| 20:14.36 | Cide | <Cide> but flashing it to ONE store clerk is the same as flashing it to ONE random person on the street, while you are blindfolded |
| 20:14.43 | Xinhuan | its very popular on many servers |
| 20:14.57 | Xinhuan | and on mine, its the ONLY way pug raids are run |
| 20:15.06 | Xinhuan | and almost all pug icc25s can kill 11/12 |
| 20:15.19 | Xinhuan | with at least 3-4 hardmodes |
| 20:15.31 | malreth | guys, seriously... isn't this RealID talk getting a little old? |
| 20:15.41 | nevcairiel | its been old before it started |
| 20:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 20:15.58 | cbreak | malreth: scII isn't out |
| 20:15.59 | NightHawkTheSane | the arguments aren't even new to realid |
| 20:16.04 | cbreak | what do you propose we do? |
| 20:16.19 | malreth | cbreak: try masturbating. it's productive. |
| 20:16.30 | foxlit | head, meet sand. |
| 20:16.31 | Dagmar | it's what all the cool kids are doing |
| 20:16.42 | Dagmar | Seriously, just look at backbone traffic. >75% porno |
| 20:16.44 | Xinhuan | essentially, GDKP is bidding for items with gold, and the pot is split at the end - that prevents ppl from leaving raid early, and rewards ppl for coming in to replace ppl who leave |
| 20:16.56 | Dagmar | That's a bit more than would generally be explained by "research" |
| 20:17.01 | malreth | Dagmar: see... THAT'S how trolling is done. |
| 20:17.03 | Xinhuan | so everyone walks away happy - with items they want, or 6k-11k richer |
| 20:17.16 | Dagmar | malreth: What you said or what I said? |
| 20:17.17 | Xinhuan | heroic dfo easily goes for 20-60k |
| 20:17.37 | malreth | what i said... you gotta bait the little fishies |
| 20:17.57 | malreth | hence the origin of the term... trolling |
| 20:18.38 | Dagmar | malreth: Actually, that's 'trawling' you're thinking of |
| 20:18.44 | Cide | Dagmar, what about the second? |
| 20:18.48 | Cide | red herring |
| 20:18.48 | malreth | trawling is done with a net |
| 20:19.40 | Dagmar | Point conceded |
| 20:19.48 | Cide | noted |
| 20:20.13 | Cide | anyway |
| 20:20.38 | Cide | unless blizzard changes their mind given the feedback I believe we'll have to stick with "don't post" since that's the alternative they have given |
| 20:20.44 | Cide | no reason to bitch |
| 20:20.53 | Cide | I'm sure they would appreciate feedback though |
| 20:21.35 | malreth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(angling) |
| 20:22.09 | Dagmar | that's what I was looking at when I realized you were right |
| 20:22.58 | Cide | oh you didn't concede the red herring? |
| 20:23.09 | Cide | by all means explain what you thought applied then |
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| 20:24.06 | Lunessa | Ach! Mien herrings are red! Gott in Himmel! |
| 20:24.12 | Cide | I think he ignored me |
| 20:24.14 | Cide | how sad |
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| 20:24.36 | Cide | if only it was mutual. :) |
| 20:24.50 | malreth | masturbation can be mutual |
| 20:24.58 | Dagmar | Ackis: It does appear that GDKP is horrible... when viewed from the outside. Two of my co-workers are in guilds that use it, and while the first few runs kinda suck, it's rather functional over time |
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| 20:24.59 | Cide | by all means continue |
| 20:25.21 | Dagmar | (hadda verify one was still using it |
| 20:25.45 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: its not really a good idea in guilds |
| 20:27.16 | nevcairiel | Actually i've never heard of anyone using it in their guild |
| 20:27.18 | Dagmar | nevcariel: It does deal with the random BoEs that no one can really use handily |
| 20:27.20 | nevcairiel | just for pug runs |
| 20:27.39 | nevcairiel | we just sell them and put the money in the guild bank |
| 20:27.52 | Dagmar | Guild buys em, pays members the money. After a few runs of that they're all awash in cash from the stuff being sold from the guild to the hoi polloi |
| 20:27.53 | Lunessa | I don't know. The whole "bid with gold" to have a shot at loot from a boss I just helped defeat seems... even less fair than rolling for loot. |
| 20:28.20 | Cide | wait |
| 20:28.32 | Cide | your total gold is essentially your dkp pool? |
| 20:28.38 | Kraps | Lunessa: whoa yiddish |
| 20:28.40 | nevcairiel | You buy item. |
| 20:28.43 | Dagmar | Well, these are also actual adults and not pretend adults who live in trailer parks |
| 20:28.52 | nevcairiel | Money you paid is distributed among all members of the raid |
| 20:28.52 | Cide | that does sound horrible |
| 20:28.53 | nevcairiel | simple. |
| 20:29.07 | eidolarr | what if someone has massive amounts of chinese gold and eats all the items |
| 20:29.16 | nevcairiel | then everyone gets rich |
| 20:29.19 | Dagmar | You're not allowed to buy them just to resell |
| 20:29.22 | malreth | eidolarr: then everybody gets gold |
| 20:29.23 | Cide | being rich is useless though |
| 20:29.34 | nevcairiel | people running those want to get rich |
| 20:29.37 | nevcairiel | or get items |
| 20:29.44 | malreth | Cide: no it's not... it allows you to buy epic loots on other raids. :) |
| 20:29.46 | eidolarr | yeah but what's gold good for if you don't have enough for items |
| 20:30.08 | Dagmar | Yeah these guys are *in* guilds, and they're just using the money as a lubricant for easily distributing loot amongth themselves |
| 20:30.29 | Cide | don't like it |
| 20:30.37 | eidolarr | It's weird having your item power determined by an externally influenced currency system though |
| 20:30.43 | Dagmar | One of them's a real hippie and when I saw his screen I blurted "How the hell did YOU get 24,000g?" |
| 20:30.48 | Cide | results should award items, not farming dailies |
| 20:30.56 | Cloudwolf | rofl... im sure this is old news but blues will no longer be displaying thier names when they post on the blizzard forums becasue "blizzard amployed annot risk having thier personal lives compromsied by in-game issues." lol..... |
| 20:31.08 | Cloudwolf | and now im afk again |
| 20:31.11 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: They actually *said this*? |
| 20:31.24 | Cloudwolf | multiple quotes on it but it could be over specualtion |
| 20:31.25 | Cide | link? |
| 20:31.44 | Cide | Cloudwolf, link? |
| 20:31.53 | Cloudwolf | searching just people psoting it on the fourms so prolly its bs |
| 20:31.56 | eidolarr | he said it's a fabrication |
| 20:31.59 | Cloudwolf | but i could be wrong they said its from wow.com |
| 20:32.03 | Maldivia | ~seen alestane |
| 20:32.07 | purl | alestane <~alestane@c-66-30-209-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2h 55m 17s ago, saying: 'D&D has been doing that for 4E and they came pretty close in 3E.'. |
| 20:32.07 | Cide | ok |
| 20:32.07 | Cloudwolf | i think |
| 20:32.07 | Cide | so false |
| 20:32.10 | malreth | even wow inciter is saying it's rumor |
| 20:32.13 | Dagmar | All I've been seeing is that it's a rumor |
| 20:32.17 | malreth | OH YEAS I WENT THERE |
| 20:32.26 | Cloudwolf | nvm yes prolly fabrication |
| 20:32.35 | Dagmar | That would be _really_ hypocritical |
| 20:32.58 | Lunessa | lol... wow inciter |
| 20:33.21 | Cloudwolf | yeah well i don't care if its hypocritical bishok already got used as a scapegoat to show the flaws |
| 20:34.23 | Cide | they knew it would happen |
| 20:34.46 | Cloudwolf | Meh ill be quiet now |
| 20:34.48 | Cide | it'll die down |
| 20:34.54 | Gnarfoz | Cloudwolf: needs to go on like that |
| 20:35.11 | Cloudwolf | gnarfoz im just saying ill be queit and wont bring it up in here |
| 20:35.20 | Gnarfoz | Cloudwolf: defeat |
| 20:35.21 | Kraps | this is so fail |
| 20:35.43 | Cloudwolf | hmm? |
| 20:35.50 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: My guess is that right baout now they're grilling the people who maintain the forum software about what timetable they're looking at for changing the system |
| 20:36.36 | Cloudwolf | heh chances are no matter wtf we say its gonna happen |
| 20:36.38 | foxlit | http://watchanimetv.net/full-metal-alchemist-brotherhood/full-metal-alchemist-brotherhood-episode-64/ << scum. |
| 20:36.53 | Cloudwolf | which means 1 step closer to mandatory realid in game |
| 20:37.06 | Dashkal | Blues are posting with real names. Just confirmed a couple mins ago: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816838128&sid=1&pageNo=351 |
| 20:37.17 | Cloudwolf | k it was ar umer |
| 20:37.47 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CVYOCMpJRY AT-AT |
| 20:39.17 | Xinhuan | Dashkal, that was confirmed like 20 hours ago |
| 20:39.23 | nicoli_s | Dashkal:wheres his name on that post? |
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| 20:39.38 | Dashkal | Xinhuan: I was just countering the current rumors to the contrary. |
| 20:39.44 | Gnarfoz | s/are posting/are going to be posting/ |
| 20:39.45 | Xinhuan | Dashkal, see post #14 |
| 20:39.48 | Xinhuan | in the thread |
| 20:39.51 | Dashkal | He just reiterated that it's still the case |
| 20:39.56 | nicoli_s | oh nm, thought you meant it was already posting |
| 20:40.18 | Dashkal | I know. I've seen it posted a few times. The post I linked was him stating that it hasn't changed. |
| 20:40.59 | Ackis | "RealID , because finding mr. T and making him your raid leader would be hilarious." |
| 20:41.06 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 20:41.17 | Kraps | WHAT IS HAPPENING |
| 20:41.40 | Dashkal | heh, I just realized something. Blizzard employees will be unable to post on normal characters for any reason lest they give themselves out |
| 20:41.56 | durcyn | there goes Kalgan's weekends. |
| 20:42.01 | Dashkal | Hey warriornuts. Why did you stop posting in the RP forums? |
| 20:42.51 | Cide | Dashkal, unless they create new bnet accounts with a fake name |
| 20:42.53 | Xinhuan | 353 pages and going strong |
| 20:42.54 | Cide | like anyone else is able to |
| 20:43.31 | Kraps | i dont want to quit wow! |
| 20:45.11 | Dashkal | Eh, the only things would get me to quit are SW:TOR (assuming acceotable levels of EA taint) or attaching real names to my characters directly |
| 20:45.29 | Lunessa | It rubs the lotion on its skin. |
| 20:45.55 | Dashkal | I'm paying for game access, not forum access. |
| 20:46.08 | Ackis | gives Lunessa teh hose. |
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| 20:47.31 | Kraps | http://seewhatyoudidthere.com/2010/07/07/realid-changes-the-very-real-ease-of-stalking-in-the-internet-age/ |
| 20:48.12 | nevcairiel | Stalking must really be very common in the US |
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| 20:48.58 | Dagmar | nevcariel: It is. |
| 20:49.03 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: ask malreth, the omnipresent internet stalker is going to get you |
| 20:49.14 | Dagmar | it |
| 20:49.16 | nevcairiel | Its a kinda sad place then |
| 20:49.20 | Dagmar | It's also not very hard. |
| 20:49.30 | nevcairiel | I don't really hear much about stalkers here, do you Gnarfoz? |
| 20:49.32 | Dagmar | nevcariel:" This is what happens when you stop beating the kids. |
| 20:49.38 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: no, very rarely. |
| 20:51.27 | Kraps | i dont get it, how many cases will it take for you to think this is a bad idea? |
| 20:51.35 | Dagmar | "Beat your kids for a better tomorrow. Beat them now." |
| 20:52.01 | nevcairiel | I just dont buy the "omg stalking" argument, maybe it is so bad in the US, but around here, its just no issue that i know of |
| 20:52.21 | Dagmar | It was a bad idea in the 80's with BBSes, it was a bad idea in the 90's with IRC, and there's no reason whatsoever to believe it's not a bad idea now post-=2000. |
| 20:52.22 | NeoTron | big old discussion but GDKP runs is actually really nice for pugs |
| 20:52.52 | NeoTron | Made some nice gold from it, and even got a few items I needed out of it |
| 20:53.00 | Dagmar | nevcairel: It's part what they can do to someone they don't like in person, and part what they can do to someone remotely by simply muddying that person's reputation |
| 20:53.26 | NeoTron | and it allows people that perhaps normally wouldn't get a chance to raid to pick up items, sometimes cheaply |
| 20:53.55 | NeoTron | better geared people don't mind pulling badly geared people through the encounters if they got lots of gold :P |
| 20:54.27 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/BlizzardPR/status/17950600197 |
| 20:54.38 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: never mind Dagmar, just as I like to point out it's an US issue, he's deaf to hearing it's not an issue somewhere else. (it being an issue *somewhere* should of course be enough, but that's another thing.) |
| 20:55.41 | nevcairiel | I'll just put it on the list of reasons to not want to live in the US :s |
| 20:55.45 | nevcairiel | shifts discussion! |
| 20:56.14 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Only problem with that is that it applies to the internet as a whole. |
| 20:56.28 | nevcairiel | some dude from the US will have a hard time stalking me |
| 20:56.29 | Kraps | +10 to not giving a shit about others, you guys |
| 20:56.33 | Kraps | nice |
| 20:56.52 | Dagmar | nevcariel: If someone who is warped enough has a beef with you, they can go do something like start posting to NAMBLA forums or whatever with your name and geographic region |
| 20:57.04 | nevcairiel | na-what? |
| 20:57.10 | Dagmar | ...or anarchist forums, or socialism forums, whatever's politically unpopular. |
| 20:57.33 | Dagmar | Next thing you know your next try at getting a job results in a "talk to the hand" response from HR because they think you're a pedophile |
| 20:57.59 | Gnarfoz | Nambwhat, haha |
| 20:58.20 | Dagmar | ...and things Google finds, it hangs onto for ages. |
| 20:58.27 | Gnarfoz | socialism forums, we live in a fucking socialistic society anyway |
| 20:58.39 | nevcairiel | One good thing about not trying to hide my identity, they'll have to create a really high google score to be anywhere in the first 10 pages |
| 20:58.48 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: NAMBLA is the North American Man-Boy Love Association, and yes, being associated with it can nuke your career |
| 20:58.58 | Gnarfoz | ...in the US |
| 20:59.11 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the US is apparently miles ahead of us in terms of how relevant the internet is. |
| 20:59.23 | Dagmar | nevcariel: A motivated HR person isn't going to stop looking at results until they start seeing results that aren't you |
| 20:59.55 | Gnarfoz | and here I was thinking HR's job was to hire people, not to stop a company from hiring people, heh |
| 21:00.04 | Dagmar | I'm afraid someone's going to wind up "taking one for the team" before this is all over with, just so people will see it's an actual problem |
| 21:00.08 | nevcairiel | I should try to ask my HR or boss if they actually bothered to google |
| 21:00.12 | Ackis | @project nambla |
| 21:00.17 | Repo | Ackis: http://war.curseforge.com/addons/nambla/. Nix All Messy Bits Lining Actionbuttons (or NAMBLA). Game: WAR. Aiiane (Manager/Author). Updated: 323 days ago. Tickets: 2/2 |
| 21:00.21 | Ackis | grumbles. |
| 21:00.26 | Dagmar | Ackis: ROFL |
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| 21:00.38 | nevcairiel | where did aiiane go anyway |
| 21:00.47 | Gnarfoz | ~seen aiiane |
| 21:00.50 | purl | aiiane <~Aii@cpe-76-174-63-94.socal.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #waruidev, 49d 13h 9m 37s ago, saying: 'graduated from college'. |
| 21:00.58 | Cide | he graduated from college |
| 21:01.02 | Cide | and ditched us |
| 21:01.04 | nevcairiel | its a she, i believe |
| 21:01.07 | Stanzilla | what about GNAA? |
| 21:01.09 | malreth | aiiane: congratulations! |
| 21:01.10 | Cide | I missed the s |
| 21:01.10 | Ackis | I think she graduated from college. |
| 21:01.14 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: Titten, Gnaaaaaa. |
| 21:01.30 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 21:01.36 | nevcairiel | but graduating is no reason to leave |
| 21:01.38 | Gnarfoz | that's so fucking old |
| 21:01.40 | nevcairiel | i graduated just this spring |
| 21:01.42 | nevcairiel | and i'm still here! |
| 21:02.00 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: I meant that http://encyclopediadramatica.com/GNAA (nsfw) |
| 21:02.02 | Ackis | too bad :( :P |
| 21:02.11 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I'm aware (without clicking) |
| 21:02.15 | Stanzilla | ok! |
| 21:05.00 | Dagmar | What *about* GNAA? |
| 21:05.11 | Kraps | herp derp http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25833934170&sid=1 |
| 21:05.55 | nevcairiel | Do we actually have those things here as well? And if so, did i miss out for not knowing their names? |
| 21:06.46 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: we have the NPD (and most every other political party), that's more than enough of a shame |
| 21:06.50 | malreth | I am 17.4 Martian years old. http://www.exploratorium.edu/ronh/age/index.html |
| 21:06.58 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: haha |
| 21:07.10 | Gnarfoz | no need for obscure groups |
| 21:07.49 | nevcairiel | I'm nearly 108 mercury years, man i'm old |
| 21:09.07 | Maldivia | Uhh, I have my 1 year saturn birthday soon :P |
| 21:09.33 | nevcairiel | mine is in like 2013 <.< |
| 21:09.46 | nevcairiel | next is actually my earth birthday |
| 21:10.20 | Seerah | I want to party all the time party all the time party all the tiiiiiime |
| 21:10.40 | Seerah | (next mercurian birthday is end of the month) |
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| 21:13.25 | Lunessa | Seerah: As long as that's the only Eddie Murphy song you sing, we'll be ok. |
| 21:13.37 | Seerah | :D |
| 21:13.43 | Seerah | it's stuck in my head now :( |
| 21:15.24 | malreth | woos Seerah with his song about how if he should... ever fall in love (in love) agaaaaaiiiin, he will be sure that the lady was just like her. |
| 21:16.47 | Dagmar | I thought that pretty much was the _only_ Eddie Murphy song |
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| 21:25.41 | Ackis | oh man I forgot what I did to my fiancee last night |
| 21:25.46 | Lunessa | Dagmar: There's another. It has the line "But a bogey in your butt." |
| 21:25.47 | Ackis | she forgot to turn her phone off at work |
| 21:25.53 | Ackis | her ring tone is the rick roll song |
| 21:25.58 | Ackis | I rick rolled her work |
| 21:27.01 | Lunessa | Also "We think healers will expect to get an actual heal (or some kind of defensive ability) as their signature spell, but we also want something that's actually useful at level 10. Lightwell, Circle of Healing and even Spirit of Redemption are very signature Holy abilities, but none are very useful when soloing gnolls in Elwynn." Ghostcrawler - awesome. |
| 21:27.02 | Ackis | I will smite you for that Lunessa |
| 21:27.19 | Lunessa | Ackis, still rolling the lolsmite build. |
| 21:27.47 | Ackis | there was math that stated a fight around 1 min or less, a smite build would out DPS a shadow build :P |
| 21:27.52 | Ackis | this was back in BC however |
| 21:28.43 | Kraps | nice Lunessa |
| 21:28.59 | Ackis | I kinda miss playing wow |
| 21:29.00 | Kraps | i'm too weak to quit :( |
| 21:29.06 | Ackis | but seeing all these changes makes me just bleh |
| 21:29.07 | Lunessa | Smite could be made more or less useful in soloing even in WotLK, but it wasn't fast. I did get chuckles out of doing it for 5 levels though. |
| 21:29.16 | Ackis | real ID isn't a concern for me for the record |
| 21:29.33 | Ackis | what's really concerning me is that I lost my contacts app on my blackberry |
| 21:31.00 | Ackis | and for some reason everything and its dog is syncing on my BB =/ |
| 21:33.04 | Kraps | WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE |
| 21:33.42 | Cloudwolf | why kraps? |
| 21:33.50 | Kraps | WHY NOT |
| 21:34.05 | frontendloader | Ackis: you're already a pretty public individual |
| 21:34.20 | Cloudwolf | cus cataclysm is near? |
| 21:34.34 | frontendloader | surely you can understand though why people are concerned |
| 21:34.47 | frontendloader | especially a woman such as myself. |
| 21:35.04 | Kraps | OMG A GURL |
| 21:35.07 | Ackis | that's why I said "for me" |
| 21:35.13 | Ackis | and a girl with the name frontendloader? |
| 21:35.19 | Ackis | am I allowed to lul a bit at that? |
| 21:35.43 | Dagmar | Wait until RealID takes over the forums |
| 21:35.53 | Kraps | Ackis: its the truth, whats to lul about? |
| 21:36.37 | frontendloader | I never really thought it was gender specific, though I suppose anything that isn't AngelKittyXOXO is a guys name these days huh |
| 21:36.59 | Ackis | construction equipment has a gender bias IMO |
| 21:37.39 | frontendloader | Its actually a tribute to the cutest korean starcraft 2 player ever, BackHo |
| 21:37.54 | frontendloader | starcraft 1* |
| 21:38.17 | Kraps | bow chika bow wow |
| 21:38.49 | Ackis | oh shit I think I duplicated my entire contact list |
| 21:38.50 | Ackis | derp |
| 21:42.26 | Ackis | but as I was saying, real ID for me isn't a concern... because I am a public person, I've given up hiding my identity, and I stand by what I say even when I linked lemonparty on the wow forums :P |
| 21:42.49 | Eluna | Come on guys, we are having too much fun, and need more people :P |
| 21:42.53 | Eluna | Come watch the stream with us. :P |
| 21:43.28 | Dagmar | Ackis: *tsktsk* |
| 21:43.37 | Kraps | Ackis: does it concern you in general? |
| 21:44.19 | Dagmar | You don't have to link it. You just need to *say* "lemon party" in a weird context that will make people Google it. |
| 21:44.36 | Dagmar | Then they only have themselves to blame. |
| 21:45.18 | Ackis | Kraps: yes, I've written privacy legislation for my province, I know all about the issues that come up... for 99.99% of the people the real ID won't cause a problem, for that last small percentage is why you need to have the protections in place |
| 21:45.42 | Ackis | and yes I've been e-stalked, etc |
| 21:45.45 | Eluna | I love those numbers. |
| 21:45.47 | Eluna | 99.99% |
| 21:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I has a new keyboard! |
| 21:45.56 | Ackis | some dooders took pics of me and photoshoped me as darth vader :( |
| 21:46.01 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:46.10 | nicoli_s | are you darth vader? |
| 21:46.15 | Ackis | noooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 21:46.20 | nicoli_s | well then thats fucked up! |
| 21:46.23 | Ackis | (see what I did there?) |
| 21:46.34 | Ackis | I had scars on my face so they thought it was funny |
| 21:46.39 | Ackis | google Darth Ackis |
| 21:46.41 | Ackis | you'll find some |
| 21:46.42 | Dagmar | You never saw Ackis crying about "leave Britney Spears alone!"? I thought it was a rather popular meme |
| 21:47.04 | Ackis | (yes those photoshops are on the blizz forums) |
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| 21:48.00 | kd3|netbook | sigh |
| 21:48.26 | Kraps | Ackis: lolwut |
| 21:48.33 | malreth | ain't it cold in that? http://www.massively.com/photos/terafans-castanic-female-armor-renders/#3142829 |
| 21:49.00 | nicoli_s | not if yer a hell demon |
| 21:49.17 | Ackis | Kraps: I have lived an interesting life |
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| 21:49.40 | Kraps | malreth: for women, less armor = better kills apparently |
| 21:51.58 | Ackis | http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/user/profile.m?user_id=70044 |
| 21:52.10 | Ackis | I thought I had over 25k posts, they must've pruned them :( |
| 21:52.17 | Ackis | <-- was quite vocal in SWG |
| 21:52.48 | Lunessa | "To use one of the infamous GC analogies, the best restaurants are not necessarily those with a lot of entrees on the menu. The best restaurants probably have very few choices, but you know that anything you order will be great. They don't bother cooking it if they know it will suck. That's a real choice as opposed to the diner with fish on the menu that everyone, ever the waitress, whispers under their breath that you should never, ever order." - LOL |
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| 21:57.08 | Kraps | this is pretty win http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/rebecca-mayes-muses/1829-Love-Song-for-Yahtzee |
| 21:58.27 | foxlit | Kraps: Is it okay? |
| 21:58.38 | Kraps | hmm? |
| 22:10.29 | Satisfyme | Question: Does event: DISPLAY_SIZE_CHANGED also fire when changing ui scale ? |
| 22:12.48 | Cide | extremely doubtful |
| 22:12.56 | Cide | ui scale is just UIParent:SetScale(x) |
| 22:13.10 | Cide | it wouldn't make sense for it to fire an event |
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| 22:14.39 | Satisfyme | I know that :) it's just that I wanna have my frame to scale as well when I'm sliding the scale slider in the video config |
| 22:15.48 | Satisfyme | so far I have added that function to OnShow statement but that will allso work if there is no other way :P |
| 22:16.53 | Cide | your frame scales with the ui scale if you parent it to UIParent. |
| 22:17.06 | Cide | or any other child of UIParent |
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| 22:18.27 | Satisfyme | hmm funny that it do not on my frame :S |
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| 22:19.48 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/YahtzeeCroshaw/status/17048960602 |
| 22:19.56 | Cide | if it's parented to UIParent |
| 22:20.01 | Cide | try this |
| 22:20.07 | Kraps | http://twitter.com/audiogamer/status/17074548849 |
| 22:20.15 | nicoli_s | yay cataclysm! |
| 22:21.00 | Surehand | Is there a way to get the dimensions of a texture ingame? (the size of the texture file not the region ingame) |
| 22:21.05 | Cide | /run f = CreateFrame("Frame"); f:SetParent(UIParent); f:SetScale(1.0); ChatFrame1:AddMessage(f:GetEffectiveScale()) |
| 22:22.23 | Cide | should print your ui scale |
| 22:22.30 | Satisfyme | Cide: Yes it parent is UIParent but will try your code |
| 22:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | sigh. I need to stab comcast again. :/ |
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| 22:25.54 | Hirsute | Anyone here use Bartender4 with a druid or warrior? |
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| 22:26.47 | Cide | ask anyone but nevcairiel |
| 22:27.18 | Lunessa | Did you fuck up your paging? :P |
| 22:27.49 | Kraps | test |
| 22:27.53 | Kraps | better |
| 22:28.02 | foxlit | So, hm. |
| 22:28.08 | foxlit | Unit hexagon vertex coordinates |
| 22:28.20 | Cide | haha what? |
| 22:28.28 | Cide | hexagon is 6 corners? |
| 22:28.31 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 22:28.38 | foxlit | A unit hexagon would have a side length of one |
| 22:28.40 | Cide | so 30 degrees |
| 22:28.48 | Cide | simple trigonometry |
| 22:28.49 | foxlit | 60 |
| 22:28.51 | foxlit | I think you mean. |
| 22:28.58 | Hirsute | Did not mess up the paging, I just can't seem to figure out if it's possible to scale the stance bar in BT4. I asked over in Wowace where nevcairel is about an hour ago, haven't seen anyone respond, figured I'd see if anyone actively typing knew before I started pinging people. |
| 22:29.03 | Cide | total internal angle is 180 isn't it? |
| 22:29.14 | foxlit | Cide: square = 4 right angles |
| 22:29.20 | Cide | yeah I'm fucked up |
| 22:29.31 | Seerah | circle = 380 |
| 22:29.37 | Cide | 360* |
| 22:29.49 | Lunessa | Hirsute: It probably is, but I haven't used BT4 is a looooooong time. |
| 22:29.54 | Seerah | distracted by Daily Show and approving UIs |
| 22:29.56 | Seerah | sighs |
| 22:30.09 | Cide | oh yeah |
| 22:30.11 | Xyphoid | interior angles of a hexagon add up to 720 |
| 22:30.15 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:30.19 | Cide | it's dependent on number of corners |
| 22:30.21 | foxlit | The interior angles are all 120 |
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| 22:30.37 | Cide | should be simple trigonometry still |
| 22:30.44 | foxlit | It is. I'm lazy. Do the math :) |
| 22:30.44 | Xyphoid | it's 180*(x-2) |
| 22:30.54 | Kraps | shoulda bought the 1st max payne |
| 22:30.55 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Yeah, the options to size it finally showed up after a complete shut down and restart of the WoW client. Reloading the UI didn't do it. I'm all settled now. |
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| 22:32.02 | foxlit | lua> x,y,a,as=0,0,0,math.pi/3; repeat print(x,y); x,y,a = x + math.cos(a),y+math.sin(a),a + as; until x == 0 and y == 0 |
| 22:32.09 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0, 0, 1, 0, 1.5, 0.86602540378444, 1, 1.7320508075689, 2.2204460492503e-16, 1.7320508075689, -0.5, 0.86602540378444, -8.8817841970013e-16, 0, 1, -1.1330996904646e-15, 1.5, 0.86602540378444, 1, 1.7320508075689, 1.3322676295502e-15, 1.7320508075689, -0.5, 0.86602540378444, 2.1649348980191e-15, -6.6613... (result truncated) |
| 22:32.24 | foxlit | Hm, I can't tell whether that's too many |
| 22:32.25 | Kraps | is it still ok to buy it or should i just finish the one i have? |
| 22:32.55 | foxlit | lua> x,y,a,as=0,0,0,math.pi/3; repeat print(("(%.2f, %.2f)"):format(x,y)); x,y,a = x + math.cos(a),y+math.sin(a),a + as; until x == 0 and y == 0 |
| 22:33.00 | lua_bot | foxlit: (0.00, 0.00), (1.00, 0.00), (1.50, 0.87), (1.00, 1.73), (0.00, 1.73), (-0.50, 0.87), (-0.00, 0.00), (1.00, -0.00), (1.50, 0.87), (1.00, 1.73), (0.00, 1.73), (-0.50, 0.87), (0.00, -0.00), (1.00, 0.00), (1.50, 0.87), (1.00, 1.73), (-0.00, 1.73), (-0.50, 0.87), (0.00, -0.00), (1.00, -0.00), (1.50, 0.87... (result truncated) |
| 22:33.12 | foxlit | curse you, doubles. |
| 22:33.41 | Cide | -0.00, 0.00 ftw |
| 22:35.38 | foxlit | The funny thing is that it still terminates |
| 22:35.44 | foxlit | Or I wouldn't get any output at all :( |
| 22:35.52 | fiphi | Anyone available to help me with some button troubles? :) |
| 22:36.22 | Cide | foxlit, yeah, after another iteration |
| 22:36.37 | foxlit | More than one, I think |
| 22:36.38 | Cide | (0, 0) -> (-0, 0) -> (0, -0), (0, 0) |
| 22:36.57 | Cide | of course it could be the accuracy that's off by too much still |
| 22:37.08 | foxlit | lua> x,y,a,as=0,0,0,math.pi/3; repeat x,y,a = x + math.cos(a),y+math.sin(a),a + as; until x == 0 and y == 0 print(a/as); |
| 22:37.10 | Cide | I guess lua treats -0 as 0 still |
| 22:37.13 | lua_bot | foxlit: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 22:37.26 | Cide | or maybe it prints what it has after 5s |
| 22:37.38 | foxlit | lua> print("hi"); while 1 do end |
| 22:37.43 | lua_bot | foxlit: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
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| 22:37.49 | Cide | strange |
| 22:37.55 | foxlit | lua> print(("hi"):rep(200)); while 1 do end |
| 22:38.00 | lua_bot | foxlit: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 22:38.26 | Cide | lua> x,y,a,as=0,0,0,math.pi/3; repeat x,y,a = x + math.cos(a),y+math.sin(a),a + as; until x == 0 and y == 0 |
| 22:38.31 | lua_bot | Cide: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 22:38.45 | Cide | that's your code without the print() |
| 22:39.08 | foxlit | So it doesn't terminate. |
| 22:39.18 | Cide | then why did it print output? |
| 22:39.26 | foxlit | Because apparently that's what it does |
| 22:39.32 | foxlit | lua> while 1 do print("Cide"); end |
| 22:39.38 | lua_bot | foxlit: Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, ... (result truncated) |
| 22:40.21 | Cide | lua> for i = 1, 200 do print("Cide") end while 1 do end |
| 22:40.26 | Kraps | foxlit: your mom is truncated |
| 22:40.27 | lua_bot | Cide: Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, Cide, ... (result truncated) |
| 22:40.51 | fiphi | I'm trying to create two buttons, filter buttons, in a similar way as 24 item buttons have been created. The code is http://pastey.net/138401 - one xml file and one lua. The filter buttons do not show up in my frame and I'm stuck. Anyone able to help? |
| 22:41.02 | Cide | how is it different from one huge print though |
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| 22:41.54 | Adys | fiphi, without looking too much, are you sure you're setting parents/anchors correctly? |
| 22:42.07 | Adys | this is in 99% of cases the cause |
| 22:42.14 | fiphi | The anchors I'm not sure of, no. |
| 22:42.34 | fiphi | It's gonna be two buttons and if I place the first one with coordinates, I want to believe I'd see it... :( |
| 22:44.35 | fiphi | Adys: Maybe I can't call them button if the 24 item buttons are called button? |
| 22:44.56 | Adys | *shrug* |
| 22:45.06 | fiphi | Hmm, no, that's not it. The teacher's example code shows them being called buttons. |
| 22:45.19 | foxlit | Hm, swedish. |
| 22:45.25 | fiphi | Yep. |
| 22:45.30 | fiphi | foxlit: Are you good with frames? |
| 22:45.31 | fiphi | :) |
| 22:45.53 | fiphi | Spejnar: There? |
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| 22:46.54 | Cide | foxlit, what? :P |
| 22:46.58 | foxlit | I'm reasonably competent with lots of stuff. |
| 22:47.04 | foxlit | Cide: linked pastey. |
| 22:47.11 | foxlit | Or, rather, comments in it |
| 22:47.14 | Cide | oh |
| 22:47.17 | fiphi | foxlit: Can you take a look at my code and see if there's something apparently wrong? |
| 22:47.20 | Cide | I too am swedish |
| 22:47.23 | fiphi | Cide: Oh? |
| 22:47.32 | Cide | and I am not speaking swedish with you |
| 22:47.40 | fiphi | I wasn't expecting it. :) |
| 22:50.05 | eidolarr | fiphi: is the XML being parsed correctly? |
| 22:50.20 | fiphi | Yep. |
| 22:50.21 | Cide | of course |
| 22:50.30 | Cide | the question is whether or not it's written correctly |
| 22:50.32 | fiphi | It's in the code where I copied I sense the error being. |
| 22:50.56 | fiphi | In the lua file, the template from my teacher already had the making of the 24 item buttons. |
| 22:51.07 | fiphi | And below for the filters the for loop was for me to fill in. |
| 22:51.36 | fiphi | So I wrote what's in there now and thought it'd create them, at least visible in the wrong area of the frame but so I could see them. |
| 22:53.13 | eidolarr | people on the forums are still convinced that blues' names won't appear, this could become funny |
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| 22:53.46 | Spejnar | fiphi: maybe |
| 22:53.51 | Lopeppeppy | Blues have said right out that their names will be posted and visible. |
| 22:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | I don't understand the lack of understanding. :) |
| 22:54.01 | fiphi | Spejnar: I'm stuck in a part of assignment 4, thought if you had some advice? |
| 22:54.06 | eidolarr | yeah but the consensus is that that is false hahaha |
| 22:54.11 | Spejnar | Lopeppeppy: apparently there are mixed messages |
| 22:54.16 | Spejnar | fiphi: on what part? |
| 22:54.25 | foxlit | fiphi: I can't see anything immediately wrong. Haven't run the code, though, so I can't check what's actually going on. |
| 22:54.33 | Lopeppeppy | There aren't mixed messages in my mind. Bliz employees will have their names in lights just like everyone else. |
| 22:54.35 | fiphi | Spejnar: I want to create the two filter buttons so I've copied and changed the loop for creating the item buttons - but no filter buttons appear. |
| 22:54.43 | cogwheel | has a RAWR |
| 22:54.59 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, I love you too Cogwheel! |
| 22:55.01 | Adys | has a RWAR |
| 22:55.02 | fiphi | Spejnar: http://pastey.net/138401 |
| 22:55.07 | Dashkal | and now for something completely different. Tim Minchin: http://www.youtube.com/user/timminchin#p/u/3/ujUQn0HhGEk NSFW language. |
| 22:55.16 | foxlit | I have a small and unrelated tip: instead of <Anchors> <Anchor point="TOPLEFT"/> <Anchor point="BOTTOMRIGHT"/> </Anchors> just add a setallpoints="true" attribute to the parent (Texture/Frame/Whatever) tag. |
| 22:55.22 | Spejnar | fiphi: the only thing you do is change the new frame tag and add more args |
| 22:55.32 | cogwheel | Dashkal: have you seen his pope video? |
| 22:55.39 | eidolarr | Lopeppeppy: there are no mixed messages, they are very clear, but that has only minimal impact on the general understanding |
| 22:55.41 | Dashkal | cogwheel: Oh yes. And hell yes |
| 22:55.43 | fiphi | Spejnar: I need to fill the for loop with something. |
| 22:55.53 | fiphi | No if clause at all? |
| 22:56.17 | cogwheel | Dashkal: also, Storm describes nearly every adult around me as a kid :| |
| 22:56.18 | Spejnar | just do like in bagbuddy, put one button fixed then the other related to the first |
| 22:56.22 | fiphi | I need to anchor the second button to the first one. But since I can't find them in my frame at all, the anchoring seems secondary. |
| 22:56.23 | alestane | has a RAWR too. Dino chorus! |
| 22:56.23 | Dashkal | Wow, I've been corrupted. I see someone mention for loop and I wonder why they don't just use a fold... |
| 22:56.30 | Dashkal | cogwheel: ouch, that must have been trying |
| 22:56.31 | fiphi | Spejnar: Okay, gonna check the bb code, sec. |
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| 22:57.43 | foxlit | wow.com is to responsible journalism as /2 is to reasonable discourse. |
| 22:58.02 | cogwheel | Dashkal: luckily when they indoctrinated me with "keep an open mind" i realized that an open mind doesn't mean "believe anything that goes against the status quo" |
| 22:58.16 | Dashkal | cogwheel: and so you were saved! |
| 22:58.34 | Dashkal | I was raised to look at anything, but check my facts |
| 22:59.02 | foxlit | What's a Storm? |
| 22:59.27 | fiphi | Wah! |
| 22:59.30 | fiphi | they showed up! |
| 22:59.36 | fiphi | One in the correct place and one in the total wrong place. |
| 22:59.48 | Dashkal | foxlit: follow my earlier link if you can listen to a 9 minute beat poem with some naughty words adn all will be clear |
| 22:59.51 | cogwheel | foxlit: see Dashkal's link at HH:55 |
| 22:59.55 | foxlit | Presumably because you're anchoring one to some arbitrary coordinates and another to an item button |
| 23:00.17 | foxlit | cogwheel: the design of that page kind of discouraged me from paying any attention to it :( |
| 23:00.24 | Lunessa | 'Open mind' is often code for 'just agree with me, no matter how much reason says you shouldn't.' |
| 23:00.59 | fiphi | Spejnar: They appeared. Thank you. |
| 23:01.01 | Dashkal | Yeah, the thing is obnoxious, but it's just a youtube video |
| 23:01.51 | fiphi | foxlit: I bet I do naming errors since our assignment is based on BagBuddy from the book but changed into "GearBuddy" and so I have both files open and compare code from inbetween, and from the code the teacher supplies. |
| 23:02.01 | fiphi | I made them appear now though, so one less obstacle. :) |
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| 23:03.47 | cogwheel | foxlit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUQn0HhGEk <-- non-channel version |
| 23:05.05 | fiphi | Spejnar: Can I continue asking you assignment related questions? |
| 23:08.34 | alestane | I'm a sucker for anything involving cephalopods (note that this does not mean I automatically believe the predictions): http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/10521867.stm |
| 23:10.15 | cogwheel | alestane: you should read pharyngula |
| 23:11.19 | cogwheel | PZ Myers is a cephalopodophile |
| 23:11.47 | foxlit | Recommend me a book? |
| 23:12.10 | foxlit | Let's rephrase that. What is the last interesting/fun non-programming book you've read? |
| 23:12.56 | cogwheel | i listen to books these days |
| 23:13.01 | alestane | I'm in the middle of S.M. Stirling's In The Courts of the Crimson Kings, foxlit. |
| 23:13.34 | foxlit | Hm, amazon has no summary :( |
| 23:13.49 | foxlit | Nation (Terry Pratchett) was awesome |
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| 23:19.29 | Dashkal | Terry Pratchett is awesome. |
| 23:19.43 | Dashkal | Though with my luck I got one his heavier books when I wanted light reading |
| 23:21.08 | foxlit | Which one, I wonder. |
| 23:21.16 | Dashkal | Night Watch |
| 23:21.16 | alestane | Also, foxlit, Felix Gilman's books (Thunderer and Gears of the City) boggled my mind. |
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| 23:23.34 | foxlit | Dashkal: Hm, odd, thought I read most of that arc. |
| 23:24.08 | Dashkal | If I remember the arc right it's #3. I wanted Men At Arms but the local bookstore didn't have that one. I don't have the chart handy, though. |
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| 23:25.08 | Wobin | foxlit: L E Modesitt Jr |
| 23:25.35 | Wobin | anything he writes, except the Soprano Sorceress series |
| 23:25.53 | Dashkal | I dislike that author. But for the very reason some people love him. He makes things very very realistic (within their own rules of course) |
| 23:25.59 | alestane | I don't enjoy Modesitt myself. |
| 23:26.13 | Wobin | I like his scifi |
| 23:26.19 | Wobin | and the Imager portfolio is pretty decent |
| 23:26.30 | Dashkal | I don't want to see the good guy die just because in the real world politics would drive him to a suicide mission |
| 23:27.00 | alestane | Well, more accurately, Modesitt falls into a group of authors that I usually enjoy while I'm reading them, but then finish and wonder why I bothered. |
| 23:27.00 | Wobin | He doesn't -really- do that... |
| 23:27.03 | Dashkal | I read fiction to escape that kind of crap |
| 23:27.15 | alestane | Including Sara Douglass and Raymond Feist. |
| 23:27.20 | Wobin | aside from the fact the Recluse series covers a hell of a lot of time |
| 23:27.24 | Dashkal | The event I refer to happened somewhere in the recluse series. Shortly after the angels set up camp |
| 23:27.27 | Wobin | so people .. die =P |
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| 23:27.51 | Wobin | and since he has a set history he's working from, yes, some of the stories cover that sort of situation |
| 23:27.57 | Wobin | because it's legend |
| 23:27.57 | Dashkal | But my point is I like justice and happy endings in my escapism. For depression I watch the news |
| 23:28.23 | Dashkal | For those who like stories to be very very real, he's a damn good author. |
| 23:28.25 | Wobin | I like how he writes on both sides of the conflict |
| 23:28.40 | Wobin | in that people aren't necessarily good/evil |
| 23:28.55 | Dashkal | I did like that. Order vs Chaos was NOT good vs evil |
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| 23:29.18 | Wobin | His scifi is incredibly detailed at times |
| 23:29.31 | Wobin | and his alternate history series is pretty awesome from a conceptual point of view |
| 23:29.54 | Wobin | if you like ecopolitical thriller, he's good for that |
| 23:30.50 | Wobin | foxlit: you've read The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss? |
| 23:31.06 | foxlit | Wobin: no. |
| 23:31.11 | Wobin | That's a good one =) |
| 23:31.14 | Wobin | suitably epic |
| 23:31.28 | Wobin | sweeping storytelling |
| 23:31.30 | Wobin | etc etc |
| 23:31.40 | Wobin | but actually pretty down to earth |
| 23:32.12 | Wobin | Lies of Locke Lamora - Scott Lynch is another good book |
| 23:32.29 | Wobin | sort of Oceans 11 style skulduggery in a fantasy setting |
| 23:33.30 | Xyphoid | they weren't bad, the second book wasn't as hot though |
| 23:33.50 | Wobin | Mistborn series, I'm just starting to read |
| 23:33.50 | foxlit | I'm not sure whether I like the idea of multi-book series. |
| 23:33.54 | Wobin | Brendan Sanderson |
| 23:34.11 | Wobin | oh Scott Lynch's are pretty standalone |
| 23:34.22 | Wobin | set in the same universe I think |
| 23:34.45 | foxlit | Pratchett's level of continuity is suitably awesome; Song of Ice and Fire's is a bit meh. |
| 23:34.46 | Wobin | Recluse is -ridiculously- multi-book, but they're pretty much stand alone |
| 23:34.56 | Wobin | albeit, same universe and same timeline |
| 23:35.02 | foxlit | [Finished A Game of Thrones; bit of a mixed bag there] |
| 23:35.11 | Wobin | there are a couple of books in the series that track different characters in the same time period |
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| 23:35.40 | Lopeppeppy | I refuse to pick up more Game of Thrones until it's bloody finished. |
| 23:35.53 | Wobin | I'll rephrase, the Recluse series is a series of mini-arcs within a larger timeline |
| 23:36.05 | Wobin | so there are two-three books for each arc |
| 23:36.26 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: going to watch the movie? =) |
| 23:36.55 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: A reasonable position I should adopt more often. |
| 23:37.05 | alestane | I feel pretty much the same way about Jordan, Peppy. |
| 23:37.11 | Wobin | foxlit: hehe, then you run into the Wheel of Time issue |
| 23:37.22 | Wobin | as alestane said |
| 23:37.33 | alestane | He pretty much lost me anyway, but once it's done I figure I might as well find out how it ran itself out. |
| 23:37.40 | foxlit | The constant perspective switching is... interesting, but occasionally makes me wish for a book focused on a particular character instead. |
| 23:37.57 | Wobin | I stopped reading Jordan after path of daggers |
| 23:38.23 | Dashkal | I made it to the one after winter's heart. Then refused to touch it again |
| 23:38.23 | Wobin | and the thought of re-reading all the books to catch up to Sanderson's finale makes me shudder |
| 23:38.24 | Xyphoid | heh path of daggers was where i quit too |
| 23:38.24 | Kraps | Mistborn is a trilogy? |
| 23:38.29 | alestane | I made it through Crossroads of Twilight. |
| 23:38.31 | Dashkal | A book that could be summed up in three paragraphs... |
| 23:38.33 | Wobin | Kraps: I think so, yes |
| 23:38.37 | Shadowed | It is Kraps |
| 23:38.46 | Dashkal | It was like he was intentionally doing nothing since something ACTUALLY HAPPENED |
| 23:39.08 | Wobin | "Elayne took a bath" |
| 23:39.13 | Dashkal | It might be two after heart, but I don't want to mention plot details in case someone's reading |
| 23:39.17 | Kraps | alestane: Twilight Saga? |
| 23:39.17 | Xyphoid | when i realised that the *ten book* Amber omnibus was thinner than volume 9 or whatever of WoT |
| 23:39.21 | Kraps | :p |
| 23:39.26 | Xyphoid | i threw it at the wlal |
| 23:39.37 | Dashkal | I also tried to go through Sword of Truth, but it gets sickeningly preachy near the end |
| 23:39.39 | alestane | My problem with the later books, Dashkal. If he'd gotten to the point, he might have finished in his lifetime. |
| 23:39.40 | Wobin | oh god |
| 23:39.47 | Wobin | I got to Blood of the Fallen |
| 23:39.49 | Dashkal | I quit at Chainfire |
| 23:39.52 | Wobin | and threw the book against the wall |
| 23:39.58 | Dashkal | Only two left, but I'll never finish it |
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| 23:40.05 | Wobin | I've never been so disappointed at a book series =P |
| 23:40.19 | Dashkal | please fuck off with your neo-capitalism libratrainism bullshit |
| 23:40.29 | Dashkal | I just want to read a damn fantasy story |
| 23:40.31 | Wobin | which makes the whole "Legend of the Seeker" show so annoying |
| 23:40.39 | A-KO | lol |
| 23:40.40 | Wobin | I'd -like- to watch it... |
| 23:40.42 | Kraps | Any of you read His Dark Materials? |
| 23:40.49 | Wobin | but after the books, I don't want to touch a thing he wrote |
| 23:40.51 | alestane | I read Twilight a week or two ago, Kraps, to see what all the fuss was about. Not sure I'll bother reading the rest, it was kind of eh. But Crossroads of Twilight is the tenth Wheel of Time book. |
| 23:40.52 | Wobin | yes |
| 23:40.55 | Xyphoid | i finally picked up the middle books of the Black Company series a little while ago |
| 23:40.56 | Wobin | I quite liked it |
| 23:40.57 | Xyphoid | god that's great stuff |
| 23:41.02 | A-KO | you guys should see the trailer to the twilight spoof |
| 23:41.04 | Wobin | Black Company is pretty good |
| 23:41.25 | Dashkal | Crossroads sounds familiar. I may well have read that. Is that the one where Rand accomplishes something _very_ big? |
| 23:41.50 | alestane | It might be. I don't remember any more. But I think that's the one that ends with cleansing saidin. |
| 23:41.56 | Kraps | i thought HDM was too odd |
| 23:42.06 | Dashkal | Ok, that's the one. I read one past that |
| 23:42.09 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38LMVNzqKtI |
| 23:42.21 | Dashkal | Knife of Dreams |
| 23:43.28 | Xyphoid | I liked HDM, the third book didn't hold together as well for me but it was worth the read anyway |
| 23:43.39 | Dashkal | hmm, the final three are by the new author. I might have to finish that.... after A Memory of Light comes out. |
| 23:44.39 | foxlit | doctor who /books/? |
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| 23:47.08 | Kraps | alestane: i quite liked the 4th Twilight book, part of it is from Jacobs perspective, awesome tone change from "ilumore" "no ilumore" |
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| 23:48.28 | alestane | I'll keep that in mind, Kraps. I suspect we'll end up reading them eventually, but in the meantime I have four books out of the library and the latest Carey borrowed from a friend. |
| 23:50.49 | Wobin | Isn't Crossroads where he cleanses Saidan? |
| 23:51.02 | alestane | 19:41 alestane: It might be. I don't remember any more. But I think that's the one that ends with cleansing saidin. |
| 23:51.11 | Wobin | reads scrollback |
| 23:51.26 | alestane | Not like it isn't literally within arm's reach. |
| 23:52.30 | Wobin | Kraps: My exposure to fanfiction made me consider Twilight to be a terrible terrible example of marysueism |
| 23:52.48 | Wobin | except that the main character is more a cipher |
| 23:52.59 | Wobin | than a sparkly uberpowerful witch with purple hair |
| 23:53.24 | Wobin | so perhaps more of a self-insertion than a marysue |
| 23:53.27 | Kraps | the "main" character is actually the girl |
| 23:53.34 | Kraps | well yes |
| 23:53.49 | Wobin | Bella is such a blank cheque |
| 23:53.57 | Wobin | which is why she appeals to so many |
| 23:54.12 | Wobin | in that she can be global search and replaced with "zomgME" |
| 23:54.15 | Dagmar | That lets teenaged girls not have to deal with any outside personality issues while they touch themselves and think of the sexy vampires |
| 23:54.22 | Kraps | lol |
| 23:55.07 | alestane | I haven't discerned any real distinguishing characteristics to her besides "logistically coordinated" and "terminally klutzy." |
| 23:55.11 | Wobin | although, my prediction for the popularity of the Twilight series, is that if kids find themselves turned, they're going to accidentally kill themselves by going out during the day, expecting to sparkle. |
| 23:55.22 | Kraps | really, the other friendly vampires are interesting ans dome have cool back stories |
| 23:55.22 | Wobin | alestane: ie "Teenager" |
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| 23:57.33 | Kraps | like the one who was raped and left to die by her drunk fiancee and his friends and she killed him while wearing her wedding dress |
| 23:58.10 | Kraps | or the Civil War guy |
| 23:58.23 | Dagmar | The thing is crap and pablum basically. |
