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| 00:51.57 | alestane | Okay, I've managed somehow to hang the lua parser. |
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| 01:05.18 | Thunder_Child | ~cookie alestane |
| 01:05.42 | Thunder_Child | blinks at purl |
| 01:09.18 | NightHawkTheSane | good job, Thunder_Child, you broke her |
| 01:09.32 | eidolarr | I'm trying to do something like garbage collected frames, where I associate each frame with a table |
| 01:09.50 | eidolarr | ideally when references to the table disappear (excpt the one in my weak table) I would get some sort of message |
| 01:09.53 | eidolarr | can that be done? |
| 01:10.24 | eidolarr | where i would use the message to recycle the frame |
| 01:11.09 | alestane | Yep, I gave lua_load a reader function that just returned the same buffer over and over. |
| 01:16.13 | Thunder_Child | breaks NightHawkTheSane |
| 01:16.23 | NightHawkTheSane | that wouldn't be terribly difficult |
| 01:16.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm already pretty broken |
| 01:19.35 | alestane | Gotta love getting notifications like this before the program even starts executing main(): |
| 01:19.37 | alestane | "010-06-28 21:18:52.986 PlaySmith[3493:80f] *** __NSAutoreleaseNoPool(): Object 0x10a2b0 of class NSPathStore2 autoreleased with no pool in place - just leaking" |
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| 01:30.59 | Wobin | =\ |
| 01:31.12 | Wobin | I want to go read Neil Gaiman's short story |
| 01:31.38 | Wobin | but I'm going to hear him read it, in august |
| 01:32.30 | Wobin | http://www.fiftytwostories.com/?p=1338 |
| 01:32.36 | Wobin | for those who want to read it |
| 01:32.41 | Wobin | I think I'll hold off =P |
| 01:32.47 | Wobin | although I've already gone through half of it |
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| 01:40.39 | foxlit | Hm, I have now collected more emblems of frost than of any other type |
| 01:40.56 | foxlit | And yet it's still not enough for the 3 specs + pvp set :/ |
| 01:41.24 | foxlit | the 95-badge gear pieces are downright cruel :( |
| 01:41.30 | Wobin | kill more Ahune |
| 01:41.58 | foxlit | Am too. Those extra 28 badges will cut about a week off the total time to farm. |
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| 01:42.43 | Jerub | i've got frost on my level 78 warrior now |
| 01:42.45 | Jerub | due to ahune |
| 01:43.02 | Jerub | it's amazing the QQ moar when i see avg ilvl260 healers saying, "level 78 tanks are hard to heal" |
| 01:43.17 | Jerub | whereas my guild level 78 priest could heal me in ahune fine..... |
| 01:43.34 | foxlit | Differing expectations |
| 01:43.35 | Jerub | .... but we failed because after ahune iceblocked 3 times they still couldn't switch targets fast enough .... |
| 01:43.58 | Wobin | it's cause they're too used to sleeping through heroics |
| 01:44.12 | Xyphoid | what annoys me is the people saying 'just finish him off' when they get him to 40% or something |
| 01:44.18 | Wobin | I had a tank pull the first two packs and the boss of HHOL |
| 01:44.28 | Xyphoid | meanwhile i have to tank 1783716 elementals |
| 01:44.48 | Wobin | Xyphoid: if they can kill him before he resubmerges, it's fine =P |
| 01:45.06 | Wobin | and consider it a challenge! |
| 01:45.58 | Wobin | that HHOL run was fun, we didn't stop at any point, I actually used the mana regen hymn twice, and it was an actual challenge to heal |
| 01:46.50 | Jerub | Xyphoid: i had this too |
| 01:46.51 | foxlit | I recently wiped a HHOL group |
| 01:47.08 | Jerub | i had someone port back to org while healing VH because a dps gave him lip |
| 01:47.10 | Jerub | :/ |
| 01:47.16 | Jerub | riight before last boss |
| 01:47.25 | Jerub | was faster for me to drop group and requeue than anyhting else. |
| 01:47.25 | Jerub | ugh |
| 01:47.27 | foxlit | I thought "Hey, let's skip this unnecessary trash. Surely nobody would be a moron, pull it, and then run towards the group like an idiot" |
| 01:47.41 | Wobin | Jerub: I do HVH in shadowspec now |
| 01:47.54 | Jerub | Wobin: i outheal my healer in HVH as abear |
| 01:48.10 | Jerub | i had a healer i asked to dps instead take that to mean, "don't heal at all" |
| 01:48.16 | Jerub | i had to ask him to heal on wave 15+ |
| 01:48.17 | Wobin | healing is pretty unneccessary with the amount of dps people bring |
| 01:48.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i've out-dpsed some dps while healing hvh :P |
| 01:48.34 | Jerub | ^ this too |
| 01:48.39 | NightHawkTheSane | (in resto spec/gear) |
| 01:48.39 | Wobin | yep |
| 01:48.53 | Wobin | holy fire can crit for an impressive amount =) |
| 01:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, and lightning bolt scales reasonably well :) |
| 01:49.21 | NightHawkTheSane | especially with how much haste and crit resto shaman have |
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| 02:05.20 | Shirik | so I did something very epic today |
| 02:05.27 | Shirik | like I'm sure you all know about SVN conflicts |
| 02:05.29 | Shirik | when merging, etc. |
| 02:05.34 | Shirik | I managed to conflict myself today |
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| 02:20.10 | Xinhuan | oh? |
| 02:27.49 | NightHawkTheSane | red velvet cupcakes have no right to be as good as they are |
| 02:30.00 | kd3 | the $2.25 ones at starbucks? |
| 02:30.27 | alestane | They Have EVERY Right. |
| 02:31.22 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: no, ones from a local grocery |
| 02:31.29 | NightHawkTheSane | fresh baked daily |
| 02:35.02 | Wobin | hm red velvet |
| 02:35.10 | Wobin | I should look that receipe up |
| 02:35.19 | Wobin | what makes them so nom? |
| 02:36.56 | NightHawkTheSane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_velvet_cake |
| 02:38.16 | alestane | Red velvet cake is a very moist type of cake. |
| 02:38.48 | alestane | At least when made right. |
| 02:41.19 | Wobin | http://www.cakespy.com/blog-old/2008/8/21/ice-dreams-ruminations-on-the-ice-cream-cone-cupcake.html |
| 02:41.20 | Wobin | oo |
| 02:41.26 | Wobin | maybe a combination of the two |
| 02:41.42 | NightHawkTheSane | vegetates happily |
| 02:43.36 | Wobin | http://bestcupcakerecipes.blogspot.com/2009/02/red-velvet-cupcake-recipe.html looks to be a good recipe |
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| 02:57.50 | Jamash | I had red velvet ice cream once |
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| 03:08.41 | alestane | In C, a variable declared static in a function with an initialization will be initialized only once, right? |
| 03:09.08 | alestane | Will this happen at program load or when the function is first called? |
| 03:10.04 | alestane | The latter seems hard to adjudicate. |
| 03:14.43 | cog|away | i believe the standard guarantees before the first call. it may depend on the compiler though |
| 03:14.48 | frontendloader | what is the new stasiscl project called, anyone know? |
| 03:16.12 | alestane | I went with manually checking and initializing if needed. It creates small issues if called before execution enters the main frame. |
| 03:18.43 | durcyn | frontendloader: there are a couple of github forks and a stasiscl project on googlecode that looks to be semi-updated |
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| 03:29.33 | frontendloader | yeah I found one called apostasis |
| 03:29.41 | frontendloader | not sure if that is the "main" one |
| 03:31.10 | frontendloader | wow they updated the cenarion war hippogryph sometime |
| 03:31.24 | frontendloader | it has a ground animation and a bunch of nice idle animations |
| 03:31.47 | frontendloader | its a shame it was awful when it was still expensive |
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| 03:34.50 | DJJeff | nevcairiel: are you around? |
| 03:34.59 | DJJeff | my bartender4 just went boooooom |
| 03:35.08 | DJJeff | my BAR1 all my icons went bye bye |
| 03:35.16 | DJJeff | BAR2 - 5 are ok |
| 03:35.22 | mikma | lol, bartender |
| 03:35.45 | DJJeff | I was in EoE on the drake |
| 03:35.54 | DJJeff | came off and BAR1 went boom |
| 03:36.02 | DJJeff | doing /reloadui didnt fix it |
| 03:36.13 | DJJeff | reloading my profile didnt fix it |
| 03:36.31 | DJJeff | all my other bars are ok so im confused |
| 03:36.42 | mikma | relog |
| 03:36.54 | DJJeff | I guess I could put all my shit back on the BAR1 but I shouldnt have too |
| 03:37.30 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmm whole server went down |
| 03:37.49 | DJJeff | *curse you blizzard* |
| 03:39.04 | DJJeff | relogging they are still gone |
| 03:39.07 | DJJeff | wow |
| 03:39.10 | Jerub | hm, tonight it shutdown night |
| 03:39.18 | Jerub | oh hey, yesterday i kiled a rare elite in NR |
| 03:39.22 | DJJeff | tuesday is for maintnince |
| 03:39.24 | Jerub | but it didn't count for the achievement |
| 03:39.38 | DJJeff | _NPCSCAN is nice for that ;) |
| 03:39.45 | Jerub | yeah, i found it with npcscan |
| 03:39.56 | Jerub | i always mention it on general in case anyone else wants it |
| 03:40.04 | DJJeff | same |
| 03:40.31 | DJJeff | taadaa ....... /reloadui fixes it after my relog |
| 03:41.11 | Jerub | it was a tamable one too |
| 03:41.15 | Jerub | some kind of spectral bear |
| 03:41.24 | DJJeff | damn blizz deff NEEDS to rewrite their god damn vehicle ui |
| 03:41.49 | DJJeff | anyone wanna start a petition for them to? |
| 03:42.24 | DJJeff | too much hype around cataclysm they probley dont care anymore I bet |
| 03:42.40 | DJJeff | unless cata is gonna fix it |
| 03:43.40 | DJJeff | any who ............. love the addons that are getting updated and developed keep up the good work :) |
| 03:44.06 | DJJeff | I will continue to spot bugs and report them and squish the ones I can :) |
| 03:44.55 | DJJeff | now where was that back door in curse client *cough* |
| 03:45.06 | DJJeff | too many ppl complaining about it |
| 03:45.23 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=38453 |
| 03:45.28 | Jerub | this guy didn't count for northern exposure |
| 03:46.01 | DJJeff | there is a gift card for paid charector xfer? |
| 03:46.07 | DJJeff | has anyone spotted this? |
| 03:46.20 | DJJeff | I need to buy one |
| 03:48.19 | DJJeff | too many people using curse client V3 getting hacked I bet |
| 03:48.28 | DJJeff | thats my guess |
| 03:49.04 | DJJeff | saying V4 wont work or is too bloated |
| 03:49.28 | DJJeff | I laugh at the loosers using V3 |
| 03:49.40 | DJJeff | they need to lrn2 install addons manually :) |
| 03:50.17 | Jerub | DJJeff: i think it's important to have automatic addon updaters |
| 03:50.24 | Jerub | but i use minion |
| 03:50.33 | DJJeff | true |
| 03:50.45 | DJJeff | its nice to be warned when an update is available :) |
| 03:50.58 | DJJeff | most GOOD addons will tell you ingame |
| 03:51.01 | Jerub | well, i run it about once a fortnight |
| 03:51.04 | Jerub | and update at least 6 addons |
| 03:51.19 | Jerub | i can't imagine checking the 15+ addons i run on their respective websites manually. |
| 03:51.42 | DJJeff | I run CC v4 almost every 30 min checking for addon updates |
| 03:52.04 | DJJeff | cause I run 85+ addons that could conflict somehow |
| 03:52.11 | Jerub | how can you do that, and say: they need to lrn2 install addons manually :) |
| 03:52.38 | DJJeff | IDK im sick of hearing people getting hacked thru CC |
| 03:53.03 | Jerub | does that actually happen? |
| 03:53.21 | Jerub | i've never seen any evidence that that actually happens, but i've not done any analysis myself. |
| 03:53.24 | DJJeff | need to find a team of people to get together..... find out whos doing the hacking |
| 03:53.29 | DJJeff | and get them shut down |
| 03:53.44 | Jerub | i would assume it would be more than a trivial amount of scandal if your statements had any truth to them. |
| 03:53.53 | Jerub | i had a guildmate hacked yesterday. |
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| 03:54.08 | Jerub | i'm tempted to ask for a dump of his disk so i can do forensics. |
| 03:54.15 | DJJeff | I change my password on a weekly basis and dont get hacked |
| 03:54.43 | Jerub | DJJeff: that can't possibly protect you from anyone. |
| 03:54.44 | DJJeff | dont use the same email on sites that is my battle.net email |
| 03:55.07 | DJJeff | dont watch porn |
| 03:55.11 | Jerub | the second one will only protect you from known-password attacks. |
| 03:55.13 | DJJeff | thats a big one |
| 03:55.26 | DJJeff | brute force attempts yeah |
| 03:55.35 | Jerub | porn is safe provided you use protection or they seem really honest if you ask if they're D&D free. |
| 03:56.04 | DJJeff | I use numbers letters and charectors in my passwords :) |
| 03:56.11 | durcyn | yeah, hookers who play dungeons and dragons are fuckin' dangerous, Jerub. |
| 03:56.19 | DJJeff | ^^^^^^^^ - LOL |
| 03:56.30 | Jerub | durcyn: http://malloreigh.tumblr.com/post/743284539/theg33k-this-is-hot-for-multiple-reasons-1 |
| 03:56.45 | Jerub | DJJeff: the best possible thing you can do is use an authenticator. |
| 03:57.00 | DJJeff | nah |
| 03:57.01 | DJJeff | I dont |
| 03:57.02 | Jerub | the second best thing you can do is select a reasonable password that you only ever use on world of warcraft. |
| 03:57.05 | DJJeff | never needed one |
| 03:57.08 | DJJeff | never will |
| 03:57.18 | DJJeff | had my account UNHACKED for 3+ years |
| 03:57.20 | DJJeff | :) |
| 03:57.34 | Jerub | the rest of it is just you making yourself feel better with some security theatre. |
| 03:57.49 | DJJeff | my guess is the "AUTHENTICATOR" is getting hacked |
| 03:57.52 | Jerub | it's a nice show, makes you feel warm and fuzzy, but it's not achiving anything. |
| 03:57.53 | DJJeff | when you install it |
| 03:58.56 | Jerub | DJJeff: hi. uh. you're clueless. please don't consider any of your own opinions about this stuff worth expressing. |
| 03:59.29 | DJJeff | ........... ? |
| 03:59.38 | Jerub | excellent. that's much better. |
| 03:59.41 | DJJeff | are you the one doing the hacking? |
| 04:00.02 | DJJeff | these are not all my opionions |
| 04:00.06 | DJJeff | its what I hear |
| 04:00.08 | DJJeff | from people |
| 04:00.20 | Jerub | doesn't mean you're any less clueless. |
| 04:00.33 | DJJeff | guildies mostly.... that are getting hacked |
| 04:00.38 | DJJeff | and bitching to me about it |
| 04:00.50 | DJJeff | im sick of hearing it |
| 04:00.56 | Torhal | DJJeff: Dude |
| 04:01.04 | Torhal | People aren't being fucking hacked through CC |
| 04:01.12 | Torhal | They're being hacked SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE. |
| 04:01.20 | Torhal | The hackers do that so they can't be traced |
| 04:01.34 | Torhal | Plus: DJJeff | most GOOD addons will tell you ingame <-- Seriously> |
| 04:01.35 | DJJeff | like a ticking time bomb? |
| 04:01.38 | Torhal | ? |
| 04:01.40 | Torhal | DJJeff: yes |
| 04:01.53 | Torhal | You get compromised, they hold onto the data for months |
| 04:02.08 | Torhal | That way when you're hit you can't figure out where it came from. So the last thing you did/downloaded is blamed. |
| 04:03.04 | Jerub | as for the bullshit about the authenticator being hacked? i'm actually stunned that you could even think that. |
| 04:03.44 | Jerub | if you don't understand something, please ask for clarification from someone other than a guildmate. |
| 04:04.16 | Torhal | I run Linux FFS and I use an authenticator. |
| 04:04.25 | DJJeff | hehehehehehehe |
| 04:04.30 | Jerub | i've been playing wow for over a year, the only other people i've ever playd with a modicum of technical knowledge were people i invited to the game. |
| 04:04.41 | Jerub | i've heard so so so so many stupid statements, worse than what you've drivelled here. |
| 04:04.47 | DJJeff | I still havent seen or heard where this.... "ticking time bomb is" and who put it there |
| 04:05.34 | Jerub | DJJeff: usually viruses. same as spambots and all that. all it takes is going to a webpage that's been compromised the same week as a 0day adobe flash vulnerability or something and you're nailed. |
| 04:06.19 | Jerub | it doesn't matter how dodgy the webpage is. hackers put malicious payloads on legit websites. |
| 04:06.22 | CodeRedLin | Flash, Internet Explorer, Opening E-mail Exe's all to blame. |
| 04:06.29 | Jerub | pdfs. |
| 04:06.34 | Jerub | javascript. |
| 04:06.35 | Jerub | safari |
| 04:06.40 | Jerub | firefox even. |
| 04:06.53 | CodeRedLin | yeah But those are to a lesser extent |
| 04:07.00 | Jerub | CodeRedLin: safari more than IE |
| 04:07.10 | CodeRedLin | ? |
| 04:07.23 | Jerub | CodeRedLin: safari is not a safe browser. |
| 04:07.36 | Jerub | there are more vulnerabilities in safari than IE. |
| 04:07.42 | Jerub | and they update it less frequently |
| 04:07.59 | CodeRedLin | Considering its origins are KHTML I'm shocked. |
| 04:08.04 | Jerub | CodeRedLin: sorry. |
| 04:08.22 | Jerub | CodeRedLin: apple releases security fixes only with new features. |
| 04:08.43 | Jerub | CodeRedLin: so they might have a shiny new widget gizmo, plus 40+ CVEs resolved |
| 04:08.47 | CodeRedLin | I use Linux myself. So not really going to bump into the probs. |
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| 04:08.54 | Jerub | some of them over 6 months old. |
| 04:09.01 | Jerub | CodeRedLin: *nod* |
| 04:09.30 | DJJeff | im going back to wow now...... good night all :) |
| 04:09.31 | CodeRedLin | I just remember the mid 90's / early 2000's were a good time for me getting house calls. |
| 04:09.50 | CodeRedLin | So Internet Explorer has a bad rap because of friends and friends of family. |
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| 04:10.22 | Jerub | i hate ignorant people so much. it really steams me up. |
| 04:10.46 | Jerub | i logged off vent once because the guild run i was in was lead by a really good raidleader who tried to give tech support too |
| 04:10.47 | CodeRedLin | I tabbed out when I saw "CC hacked me" |
| 04:10.49 | Jerub | i couldn't face it |
| 04:11.08 | Wobin | I need a name for a blog |
| 04:11.16 | Wobin | that I can dump coding snippets and stuff on |
| 04:11.17 | Jerub | Wobin: what sort of blog? |
| 04:11.20 | 18VAA39UX | "the blog" |
| 04:11.21 | Wobin | c# |
| 04:11.24 | 18VAA39UX | what in the |
| 04:11.42 | Jerub | Wobin: hey, did you see this? http://www.pexforfun.com/ |
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| 04:13.02 | Wobin | Jerub: interesting |
| 04:13.45 | Corrodias | how'd it input 4? |
| 04:13.58 | Corrodias | at least in my case |
| 04:14.07 | Corrodias | a value not in the list, anyway |
| 04:14.11 | Wobin | Jerub: I'm reading the 'about |
| 04:14.12 | Wobin | ' |
| 04:14.21 | Wobin | and getting the subtle impression I should be downloading the desktop version |
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| 04:16.35 | Corrodias | it input 4 as a color when i clicked "ask pex". how did it get a Color of value 4? |
| 04:18.59 | Jerub | Wobin: my favourite one so far is: public static int Puzzle (int x, int y) { return x / y ; } |
| 04:19.14 | Jerub | Wobin: before you run that through pex. tell me what the two exceptions you have to worry about are? :P |
| 04:19.48 | Wobin | divide by zero |
| 04:19.53 | Wobin | and null? |
| 04:19.59 | Jerub | nope. can't have null ints. |
| 04:20.51 | Jerub | Wobin: there is exactly one set of input values that will result in OverflowError |
| 04:21.05 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:21.16 | Wobin | min.val? |
| 04:21.21 | Jerub | yep :) |
| 04:21.24 | Jerub | min.val and -1 |
| 04:21.36 | Jerub | because that'll make it max.val + 1 ;) |
| 04:21.38 | Wobin | what kind of silly person would input that? =) |
| 04:22.04 | Jerub | Wobin: there's a very famous java bug to do with this. java's abs will return min if given it |
| 04:23.55 | Arrowmaster | fucking great, a script has my browser completely looked up in a loop |
| 04:24.26 | Corrodias | odd; i think it's a simple post and javascript refresh |
| 04:24.59 | Corrodias | well, it does a little javascript waiting thingy and displays the result when the site is done processing it. |
| 04:33.12 | Wobin | Jerub: I still need a good blog name |
| 04:33.32 | Jerub | Wobin: don't ask me, i'm not a good person to ask. |
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| 04:49.02 | Dewin | Hmm. |
| 04:49.22 | Jerub | Wobin: that was a good title tho. |
| 04:49.40 | Wobin | which was? |
| 04:49.45 | Jerub | 14:33 < Jerub> Wobin: don't ask me, i'm not a good person to ask. |
| 04:50.01 | Wobin | possibly a little long for the url =P |
| 04:50.23 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.37 | Dewin | I'm writing a synchronization mod to basically keep a chunk of data more-or-less in sync while allowing multiple guild officers to change it. The idea is most of the changes will be relative adjustments ("Add 50 X"), so if a given officer is missing a couple of the changes it will be 'mostly' accurate until it catches back up with another officer who has the missing events... |
| 04:51.09 | Wobin | Dewin: distributed storage is not an easy task |
| 04:51.23 | Wobin | certainly nontrivial |
| 04:51.34 | Dewin | I'm aware. In this particular case it's mostly workable, and I'm actually applying some things I've learned from databases here. |
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| 04:51.37 | Wobin | unless you use the guild info |
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| 04:51.49 | Dewin | Not an option in this case |
| 04:52.05 | Dewin | Actually, I'm writing an extension to EPGP to be able to store ratios for people who aren't in the guild |
| 04:52.33 | Wobin | you'll be better served, imo, to have an external site to track it =) |
| 04:52.42 | Wobin | less chance of failure |
| 04:52.50 | Dewin | Yes, but this is an interesting problem and I want to code it to see if I can :) |
| 04:52.57 | Wobin | good luck =) |
| 04:53.14 | Wobin | if you're doing it as a thought experiment, by all means =) |
| 04:53.38 | Wobin | Just don't want you disappointed if you're depending on it =) |
| 04:53.48 | Dewin | Most EPGP modifications are 'add X EP', etc., so the idea is a mod keeps a list of all of the changes with an individual 'transaction ID' number (storing a tiny bit of data in global guild storage -- mainly the current transaction ID) so that it will basically be able to take a starting point + list of transactions and replay to what certain values should be |
| 04:54.22 | Wobin | what happens if Officer A, makes a change, and logs off |
| 04:54.26 | Wobin | The Officer B logs in |
| 04:54.33 | Wobin | makes a change |
| 04:54.36 | Wobin | logs off |
| 04:54.41 | Wobin | then Officer C logs in |
| 04:54.51 | Wobin | And then Officer A logs in at the same time |
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| 04:55.10 | Dewin | When Officer A and C log in, C will get A's changes. B's will still be 'missing' from C's point of view |
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| 04:55.27 | Dewin | but the idea is its' distributed enough where *eventually* you'd have the full list |
| 04:55.27 | ZorbaTHut | distributed databases aren't all *that* tough if you're willing to be a little loose with consistency |
| 04:55.44 | ZorbaTHut | and impossible if you're not |
| 04:55.51 | Dewin | my logic is: For EPGP, it's not that big of a deal if one night of raiding is temporarily missing from calculations |
| 04:55.52 | ZorbaTHut | the tricky part is authentication and security, really, depending on how you're doing it. |
| 04:56.01 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: That's like saying "Buckets are fine, if you don't mind a bit of leakage, Dear Henry" =P |
| 04:56.08 | Dewin | AND we have enough officers where it's unlikely that we'll have a raid start with no officers that were online at the previous raid |
| 04:56.28 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, that's a good analogy, since many buckets *are* a little leaky and yet they still do their purpose just fine |
| 04:56.30 | Shadowed | It's really not worth the hassle to do a distributed database where you want multiple people to be able to change it |
| 04:56.35 | ZorbaTHut | for example, if you're carting around gravel, it doesn't need to be watertight. |
| 04:56.47 | Dewin | Shadowed: Again, it's an exercise because I find it interesting. |
| 04:56.51 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: If you're not concerned about keeping the contents, sure |
| 04:56.51 | Shadowed | well |
| 04:57.03 | ZorbaTHut | hell, even if you're carting around water it might not need to be watertight, if the leak is minimal. |
| 04:57.07 | Wobin | yes |
| 04:57.11 | Shadowed | Don't go with a distributed database as much as go with one master and have multiple minions who can become a master |
| 04:57.11 | Wobin | but if you're in a desert |
| 04:57.11 | ZorbaTHut | we're not talking about a binary thing here |
| 04:57.19 | Wobin | and you -need- all that water |
| 04:57.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like we have a choice between "a database that works perfectly" and "a database that corrupts everything constantly" |
| 04:57.28 | Shadowed | In your case, you want it to only be guild officers Dewin? |
| 04:57.30 | Wobin | a leaky bucket may not be what you're looking for |
| 04:57.46 | ZorbaTHut | dewin is right - ep/gp is reasonably tolerant to slow updates and it's quite reasonable for this. |
| 04:57.47 | Dewin | The idea is it will almost always be current, and if it's not current it'll catch up eventually from whoever has the missing data logging in |
| 04:58.05 | Shadowed | You're adding a huge hassle if you want to do it like that |
| 04:58.33 | Shadowed | It's a lot easier if you have a way of dedicating a certain officer as the master who gets all the changes, and then sends it out to the minions |
| 04:58.54 | ZorbaTHut | shadowed, I actually disagree - a centralized officer doesn't help things as much as you'd think |
| 04:58.55 | Shadowed | Technically, you still have issues if the master gets disconnected before he can communicate the changes |
| 04:59.01 | ZorbaTHut | you still run into the problem with people having out-of-date information |
| 04:59.03 | Shadowed | but any sort of system like this will have issues |
| 04:59.12 | Wobin | I just have a problem with Zorba's definition of 'acceptable losses' in a 'database' =P |
| 04:59.17 | Dewin | Shadowed: The idea is I'm keeping a log of changes -- not just 'set new gp to 50' but 'added 30 gp'. So by replaying the events you get a reasonably accurate picture, and when you get the missing data you replay the events again from the start point and get a (more) complete picture |
| 04:59.22 | Wobin | there are -no- acceptable losses in a database =P |
| 04:59.29 | Shadowed | wait |
| 04:59.33 | Wobin | but that's just terminology |
| 04:59.37 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, there are *always* acceptable losses in a database |
| 04:59.39 | Dewin | It probably *will* have a single master at any given time, the problem is there's no master available |
| 04:59.48 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: not so. There are acceptable -fallbacks- |
| 04:59.56 | ZorbaTHut | computers are not 100% perfect, and verifying correct calculations can be a royal pain. |
| 04:59.56 | Wobin | There are -never- acceptable -losses- |
| 04:59.58 | Shadowed | Dewin: Is this for tracking raid EGDPwhatever, or is this for overall? |
| 05:00.13 | Shadowed | As in, a single raid night* |
| 05:00.14 | ZorbaTHut | 100% accuracy does not happen, and you have to deal with that in some way. |
| 05:00.17 | Dewin | Overall |
| 05:00.21 | Shadowed | yea you're screwed |
| 05:00.26 | Wobin | Go to any company that uses a DB and say to them "Hey, there's a good chance you'll just lose some data here and there... It'll be fine" |
| 05:00.31 | Wobin | see how far you get =P |
| 05:00.40 | Wobin | Yes, you can -deal- with it |
| 05:00.40 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, they'll panic, and their competent coders will say "dammit, don't tell them that" |
| 05:00.43 | Wobin | by having backups |
| 05:00.46 | Wobin | and fallbacks |
| 05:00.50 | Wobin | and such |
| 05:00.51 | Shadowed | Ignore Wobin and Zorba while they argue semantics |
| 05:00.58 | Wobin | but there are no acceptable -losses- |
| 05:00.58 | Shadowed | WoW isn't a very good thing to build something that needs syncing of data like that |
| 05:01.07 | Wobin | (yes, do ignore us =) We're semanticing) |
| 05:01.08 | Shadowed | You can do it, but it's going to be a huge pain in the ass and not accurate |
| 05:01.28 | ZorbaTHut | how about "accepted losses", then? because once in a while you're going to get a cosmic ray in the wrong spot and it's going to screw up a chunk of data. |
| 05:01.28 | Dewin | Shadowed: Not accurate right now is acceptable. Not accurate at ANY point in time is a problem I think I have a solution for |
| 05:01.38 | Shadowed | As long as you trust the officers, security isn't an issue, but you're opening yourself up to people messing with data |
| 05:01.40 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: and if you have backups |
| 05:01.42 | Wobin | it won't be a loss |
| 05:01.59 | Shadowed | Part of the issue is, you don't have a simple officers-only channel |
| 05:02.02 | ZorbaTHut | no, I'm talking about an intermediate calculation. someone sends in an order, cosmic ray goes blam, calculation gets messed up |
| 05:02.04 | Dewin | Shadowed: Any one of our officers can handle loot and completely alter the ratios. Trust is implicit. |
| 05:02.07 | ZorbaTHut | the only way to "fix" that is to do everything redundantly |
| 05:02.10 | Shadowed | fair enough |
| 05:02.11 | Dewin | AND... you DO have an officers-only channel |
| 05:02.16 | Wobin | that's what transactions are for =) |
| 05:02.16 | Shadowed | For addon comm? |
| 05:02.18 | Shadowed | Are you sure |
| 05:02.19 | ZorbaTHut | including transmitting the order, including sending the order in the very first place. |
| 05:02.23 | Dewin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.24 | ZorbaTHut | transactions don't help with this. |
| 05:02.28 | Shadowed | Wowwiki says it can't |
| 05:02.40 | Wobin | Dewin: it's not a valid addon channel =( |
| 05:02.42 | Dewin | Hmm. That will complicate things, but I can solve that problem later. |
| 05:02.42 | Shadowed | neither does wowprogramming |
| 05:02.46 | Shadowed | Well |
| 05:02.51 | Shadowed | You have to solve that first :P |
| 05:02.55 | Shadowed | Because that's going to complicate how you do this |
| 05:03.03 | Wobin | well, there's GUILD |
| 05:03.04 | Wobin | isn't there? |
| 05:03.07 | Shadowed | yes |
| 05:03.13 | Dewin | and many many whispers |
| 05:03.14 | ZorbaTHut | that said I have no idea what the problem is with dewin's idea, it seems perfectly doable to me |
| 05:03.29 | Shadowed | I suppose you could get away with sending the data through guild, since EGDKP data will be public |
| 05:03.32 | Wobin | if you don't mind data loss |
| 05:03.35 | Shadowed | as long as you verify people are officers before using it |
| 05:03.41 | ZorbaTHut | what makes you think there will be data loss? |
| 05:03.47 | ZorbaTHut | in time, everything will catch up. |
| 05:03.47 | Wobin | and if the engine is flexible to allow for it, then sure |
| 05:03.54 | Dewin | Data delays, but not data loss. |
| 05:04.01 | Wobin | yes, in time. But if you need the data -right now- |
| 05:04.04 | Wobin | you might have issues |
| 05:04.07 | Shadowed | The main thing you have to worry about, is you have no accurate way of identifying transactions beyond creating some sort of unique ID |
| 05:04.14 | Shadowed | like raidid + guid + type + amount |
| 05:04.17 | Wobin | it depends on what you're using the data for |
| 05:04.19 | Shadowed | because you can't rely on time without a lot of extra work |
| 05:04.21 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but the entire point is that he doesn't need the data right now |
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| 05:04.28 | Wobin | then it's all fine |
| 05:04.29 | ZorbaTHut | and it's not like a centralized database helps that in any way |
| 05:04.33 | Dewin | Wobin: The idea is the loot system itself can tolerate temporarily not having certain data available. |
| 05:04.35 | ZorbaTHut | he still wouldn't have the data "right now" :P |
| 05:04.45 | Xinhuan | you could implement public/private keys in wow :P |
| 05:04.52 | Shadowed | Xinhuan I'll stab yoiu in the face |
| 05:04.58 | ZorbaTHut | xinhuan, I've thought about doing that :) |
| 05:04.58 | Dewin | And actually my transaction identifiers are simple integers. |
| 05:04.58 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: a centralised db -would- help with that... because the info would be -right there- =P |
| 05:05.00 | Xinhuan | :( |
| 05:05.04 | Shadowed | Dewin: In what sense? |
| 05:05.06 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, only if the centralized person is online 24/7 |
| 05:05.10 | ZorbaTHut | meanwhile, in reality, that doesn't happen. |
| 05:05.15 | Dewin | They start at 1. The most recent one is stored in the guild notes, and it's incremented every time an officer sends a transaction |
| 05:05.17 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: no, that's still distributed =P |
| 05:05.27 | Shadowed | Guild notes has a fair bit of lag associated with it last I looked |
| 05:05.30 | ZorbaTHut | then you're trying to compare a realistic situation to something tht WoW simply doesn't support :P |
| 05:05.33 | Wobin | by centralised, I mean, consistant despite who's logged in |
| 05:05.38 | Wobin | so stored in guild info or the like |
| 05:05.43 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, you can do it without the nasty guild-notes hack |
| 05:05.44 | Wobin | yes |
| 05:05.44 | Dewin | That's okay in my case, because there'll also be an addon message sent live. |
| 05:05.48 | Wobin | That's the whole point =P |
| 05:05.55 | Dewin | Zorba: the idea is... |
| 05:05.57 | Wobin | WoW doesn't support it easily |
| 05:06.01 | Dewin | I log in. |
| 05:06.05 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, identifiers are strings or long ints, based off the officer's character name/player ID |
| 05:06.06 | Shadowed | How will you sort out the transaction id? :p |
| 05:06.12 | ZorbaTHut | that way everyone has their own unique transaction ID space |
| 05:06.25 | Dewin | Zorba: They need to play back IN ORDER |
| 05:06.43 | Shadowed | That'll be quite hard |
| 05:06.45 | Dewin | My copy of the data says I have complete data on transactions of 1 though 35. Guild notes says the current transaction is 39 |
| 05:06.46 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, do they? well, even if they do, you can pull the system time off and it'll be "close enough" |
| 05:06.52 | Shadowed | System time isn't accurate |
| 05:06.57 | Dewin | So I ask for transactiosn 36 through 39 |
| 05:06.59 | ZorbaTHut | they might not play back in the original order, but they'll play back in a canonical order once everyone's together |
| 05:07.08 | Dewin | if I get all of them, hurray, I'm 100% consistent. |
| 05:07.19 | Dewin | If not, I'm not fully consistent but can hopefully tolerate the loss. |
| 05:07.23 | Shadowed | I assume it holds true for instances too, but some battleground instances have different system times |
| 05:07.35 | ZorbaTHut | see, I wouldn't do that. I think what you're doing is going to be errorprone in very weird ways |
| 05:07.36 | Dewin | and hopefully whoever has the missing txns will log in at some point and get me the updates |
| 05:07.41 | Jerub | Wobin: btw, i already linked to your blog from mine |
| 05:07.46 | Shadowed | Yea a single transaction id is a bad idea |
| 05:07.47 | Wobin | Jerub: >< |
| 05:07.50 | Shadowed | It's too error prone |
| 05:07.52 | Xinhuan | its insuffcient |
| 05:07.55 | Wobin | Jerub: you could wait til I post something at least =) |
| 05:08.02 | ZorbaTHut | contact officers on login, say "hey I have these ID blocks: Bob through 122, Jim through 19, Jeff through 104" |
| 05:08.05 | Dewin | There will also be some addon communication to ensure that only one person can increment the txn id at the same time |
| 05:08.15 | ZorbaTHut | one officer says "I have Bob through 139 but only Jim through 12" |
| 05:08.34 | Xinhuan | lets say players A, B, C and D are all on transaction 35, A and B log on and create 36 then log off. C and D then log on and create 36 (since they don't know its already created) |
| 05:08.41 | ZorbaTHut | you synch up with him, replay the log from scratch ordered by the timestamp, and tada, you both have a consistent view of the world |
| 05:08.48 | Wobin | Xinhuan: they would from the guildnote |
| 05:08.52 | ZorbaTHut | xinhuan, he's claiming that it would be put in the guildnote |
| 05:08.54 | Wobin | (I expect) |
| 05:08.55 | Dewin | Zorba: This also has a system built in where if it detects it's internally consistent it can prune all previous transactions and have a new starting point, rather than having logs that grow forever |
| 05:08.56 | Shadowed | Unless the guild note gets changed |
| 05:09.00 | Shadowed | or you have lag etc |
| 05:09.01 | ZorbaTHut | personally, I'd worry about the situation where two people simultaneously make transaction 36 |
| 05:09.06 | ZorbaTHut | and kaboom |
| 05:09.06 | Shadowed | or that |
| 05:09.12 | Dewin | Zorba: That's actually what I was going to get to |
| 05:09.14 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, yeah, I actually wouldn't worry about that one - lua is faster than people think |
| 05:09.15 | Dewin | Here's the question |
| 05:09.19 | ZorbaTHut | but yes, that's an optimization that could be done in the future |
| 05:09.29 | ZorbaTHut | (but honestly you'll never need it) |
| 05:09.32 | Dewin | Are chat messages guarunteed to be in the same order on all clients? |
| 05:09.38 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 05:09.42 | Wobin | I'd vote no |
| 05:09.45 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't want to rely on it, myself |
| 05:09.45 | Shadowed | I remember doing some testing on this, but I want to say yes |
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| 05:09.49 | Shadowed | but yea, don't rely on it |
| 05:09.55 | Dewin | well, assuming they are |
| 05:10.01 | Shadowed | That's a bad assumption :p |
| 05:10.05 | Wobin | well, assuming they are, then yes, they are =) |
| 05:10.06 | Dewin | I know, but let me finish |
| 05:10.22 | Wobin | You know what they say about assumptions! |
| 05:10.27 | Dagmar | . o O ( Imma let you finish... but...) |
| 05:10.39 | Wobin | They make an ass out of 'u' and mptions |
| 05:10.49 | Wobin | nods |
| 05:10.50 | Dewin | If they are, client A sends transaction 36. Client B simultaneously sends transaction 36. Client A and B detects the duplicate transaction ID, only applies the first update, and client B notes that it's transaction never got executed so it resends |
| 05:10.59 | ZorbaTHut | you know what they say about assuming? they make an ass out of u and some poor guy named Ming. |
| 05:11.08 | ZorbaTHut | think of Ming. What did he do to deserve it? |
| 05:11.16 | Wobin | and Mptions! |
| 05:11.22 | Shadowed | Dewin, that's getting into some really wonky logic |
| 05:11.27 | Jerub | Wobin: my blog gets approximately no visitors anyway :P |
| 05:11.30 | Dagmar | The relative arrival time of a message from one user to many is not guaranteed. |
| 05:11.34 | Jerub | i just used it to bitch about wow. |
| 05:11.47 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, this seems questionable to me. I would *really* recommend the unique namespace solution |
| 05:11.48 | Dagmar | The relative arrival time of messages from one user to one other user is at least guaranteed to maintain the sending order |
| 05:12.04 | Shadowed | Keep in mind, it's not one user to another user |
| 05:12.08 | Shadowed | it's one user to the server, to the other user |
| 05:12.12 | Shadowed | So you have extra wait for that |
| 05:12.13 | ZorbaTHut | you avoid polluting the guild notes, you don't require everyone to be in a guild together, and I think the logic will end up cleaner since you won't have "gaps" in your transaction IDs |
| 05:12.20 | Dagmar | User A can send a message to his group at the same time User B can send the message, and user C may see A then B, and user D may see B then A |
| 05:12.27 | Dagmar | Freakish it is, but I've seen it |
| 05:12.28 | Shadowed | You're better off going with a unique ID like ZorbaTHut was mentioning, and finding out a way of timestamping them |
| 05:12.33 | Dewin | ZorbaThut: But then you have to know who your authorized users are |
| 05:12.34 | ZorbaTHut | when everyone has a unique namespace you can always say things "I have everything up through 123" |
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| 05:12.39 | ZorbaTHut | without a unique namespace, you can't do that. |
| 05:12.41 | Shadowed | It's easy to check if someone is an officer |
| 05:12.47 | ZorbaTHut | dewin, that's true, but querying someone's officer status isn't hard |
| 05:12.48 | Shadowed | especially by name |
| 05:13.22 | Dewin | Anyways, under the assumption that guild chat and addon messages are received in the same order on all clients |
| 05:13.23 | ZorbaTHut | you'll need to do that anyway to keep people from sending malicious data and claiming it's the new transaction IDs. |
| 05:13.26 | Dewin | I can handle races. |
| 05:13.46 | Dagmar | I think that might be a bad assumption |
| 05:13.47 | Shadowed | Given that Blizzard doesn't even process spells in the same order they are used |
| 05:13.49 | Shadowed | I wouldn't rely on that |
| 05:14.00 | Dagmar | It was ~3 years ago but I've seen messages arrive in a diffrent order for different group memebrs |
| 05:14.29 | Shadowed | Need to actually go back to working on stuff but basically, even if you want to do this as a for fun project, you should assume as little as possible and keep it as simple as possible. Anything that requires you to bounce or verify comms with eachother is a huge pain, let alone doing it for more than 2 people |
| 05:14.37 | Dewin | Well, then there's another possible solution |
| 05:14.47 | Dewin | If there's a conflict, both sides abort, wait a random amount of time, and retry. |
| 05:14.55 | Dagmar | Yah that'll work |
| 05:15.02 | Dagmar | Ethernet works that way. :) |
| 05:15.03 | ZorbaTHut | race conditions suck. I would really recommend just rigging it so they can't happen :P |
| 05:15.16 | Shadowed | Unless they end up waiting roughly the same amount of time due to either random returning the same number or client lag :p |
| 05:15.26 | Dagmar | Shadowed: And yet ethernet still works |
| 05:15.32 | Dewin | Shadowed: that would eventually, after multiple replies, still work |
| 05:15.52 | Shadowed | Ethernet has a bit more info available than he does |
| 05:15.58 | Dagmar | Not really |
| 05:16.01 | eidolarr | Not that part of it |
| 05:16.08 | Shadowed | you're building a system based off jenga Dewin :p |
| 05:16.14 | eidolarr | it just waits an exponentially growing time, with some random offset |
| 05:16.15 | ZorbaTHut | eh, his idea would work |
| 05:16.19 | ZorbaTHut | it just seems unnecessarily complex |
| 05:16.24 | Shadowed | It'll work, but you'll have to deal with a lot of race conditions |
| 05:16.40 | Dewin | Shadowed: There's no reason I couldn't implement IP over addon messages if I REALLY wanted to. :-p |
| 05:16.58 | eidolarr | you could make a hobby out of this |
| 05:17.01 | Dewin | well, I'd probably need to start at a lower level protocol, but still |
| 05:17.05 | Shadowed | I haven't really messed with IP enough, but I'm still pretty sure you don't get enough info to do it reasonably well |
| 05:17.06 | eidolarr | next write linux |
| 05:17.19 | Dagmar | efernets ovah /whisper |
| 05:17.28 | eidolarr | IP needs like no info |
| 05:17.51 | eidolarr | just the ability to deliver some bytes |
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| 05:18.00 | Dagmar | Shadowed: IP doesn't "do" race conditions. Ethernet deals with them |
| 05:18.30 | eidolarr | we could reimplement all of computing, within wow |
| 05:18.32 | Dewin | well, TCP would be the more complicated one |
| 05:18.32 | Dagmar | The only sort of races IP deals with are out-of-order arrivals, which are sorted by the IP stack or they're just ditched |
| 05:19.07 | Dewin | I think out of order arrivals are a TCP thing, not an IP thing, but I could be wrong |
| 05:19.11 | Dewin | But still |
| 05:19.16 | Dewin | this is vastly simpler |
| 05:19.17 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 05:19.26 | eidolarr | most of TCP's complexity deals with congestion control and packet loss, which are non issues in WoW (...right?) |
| 05:19.32 | Dagmar | Packets can be fragmented and the fragments arrive out of order, irrespective of whatever protocol bits were set on the packet |
| 05:19.40 | eidolarr | TCP is like out of order arrivals and a ton more |
| 05:19.41 | Dagmar | So, not just a TCP thing |
| 05:20.06 | eidolarr | out of order arrivals aren't that hard on their own, just keep track of what you've seen and don't pass them on until you have passed all the predecessors |
| 05:20.19 | Dewin | Until you never see the predecessors... |
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| 05:20.27 | Dewin | because they were a dropped packet |
| 05:20.33 | eidolarr | wow doesn't have that |
| 05:20.43 | eidolarr | hence "on their own" |
| 05:20.56 | Arrowmaster | actually it does |
| 05:21.08 | Dagmar | Dewin are you trying to implement a consistent and contiguous event log between guild members without any external storage? |
| 05:21.27 | Dewin | Essentially, yes. But not "consistent now", just "consistent eventually" |
| 05:21.28 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: in its messaging system? |
| 05:21.30 | Dagmar | 'cuz that's basically not possible |
| 05:21.34 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, DKP tracker, basically |
| 05:21.41 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: yes |
| 05:21.51 | Dagmar | Scenario: Users A, B, and C are online, and do things. Users B and C logoff... |
| 05:22.03 | Dagmar | If user A logs off before any other users come online, you are done. Things just came apart. |
| 05:22.04 | eidolarr | i've never seen an instance of someone missing messages unless they disconnected immediately thereafter |
| 05:22.19 | Dewin | Dagmar: That particular event can be tolerated in this setup |
| 05:22.27 | Dagmar | THe only thing I know of you can use to jump that hurdle is the guild MOTD buffer |
| 05:22.30 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, it's perfectly doable if you're willing for delayed database updates |
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| 05:23.04 | eidolarr | well dkp is also something where users may cheat |
| 05:23.09 | eidolarr | which is a whole host of problems itself |
| 05:23.20 | Dagmar | Imma go out on a limb and say that in the event of a discrepancy, the clients of higher ranking guild members should be considered authoritative |
| 05:23.21 | Dewin | That's a non-issue at this level. |
| 05:23.27 | ZorbaTHut | that's why you only permit updates from officers, and, as an advantage, you have a full log of every change ever sent |
| 05:23.30 | Arrowmaster | i thought about trying to basically write a git client ingame |
| 05:23.35 | Dagmar | ....but it doesn't solve much |
| 05:23.43 | Dewin | Dagmar: To continue your scenario... Player D who wasn't on at the time logs in. He sees stale data, but the guild notes tell him there's transactions he doesn't have access to. |
| 05:23.58 | Dagmar | Dewin: What guild notes? |
| 05:23.58 | Dewin | He makes some changes, then player A logs back in, 20 minutes late to the raid as always |
| 05:24.13 | Dewin | MOTD or guild information, likely the latter |
| 05:24.13 | Dagmar | Who is player D getting notes from? |
| 05:24.16 | ZorbaTHut | I still think the guild notes are a red herring ;) |
| 05:24.31 | Dagmar | I am pretty sure people would carp about the MOTD being filled with binary goop |
| 05:24.48 | Arrowmaster | so use the guild info thingy |
| 05:24.52 | Dagmar | The problem boils down to the reason Hybrid started working on TS4. |
| 05:25.01 | Dewin | Player D gets the missing transactions from Player A and -- since he still has a copy of what things looked like before he started tinkering -- he can undo to that point, replay player A's transactions, and then his own transactions on top of it, and be back to consistent. |
| 05:25.08 | Dagmar | You can easily have your users break up into two disconnected groups |
| 05:25.23 | Dagmar | ...and there's no way to sync them without some outside, persistent storage |
| 05:25.26 | Arrowmaster | Dewin: you just described git rebase |
| 05:25.42 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, yeah, but in reality, that's not really a problem. it won't happen in a realistic setting |
| 05:25.52 | Dagmar | It's like ops in an IRC channel without a services bot. SOMEONE has to stay online and in control at all times |
| 05:25.57 | Dewin | And since the changes are mostly in the form of "Add X to Y", not "Set Y to X", D's changes won't clobber ABC's changes |
| 05:26.26 | Dagmar | This would be better suited to zero-sum |
| 05:26.36 | Dewin | It's EP/GP |
| 05:26.41 | Dewin | not DKP |
| 05:26.54 | Dagmar | Okay it'd be doable with that |
| 05:26.58 | Dewin | And solely intended for tracking guild applicants who aren't actually in the guild. |
| 05:27.14 | Dewin | (guild members have officer notes, which EPGP itself uses) |
| 05:28.03 | Dewin | heck, it might work for SK/DSK as well, with events being "bid low", "bid high" and "rollin at <roll>" |
| 05:28.32 | Dewin | that's a bit more likely to sudden violent change though |
| 05:29.26 | ZorbaTHut | as I understand SK, it'd have a bit of trouble, since someone could "suicide twice" on two desynchronized servers and then not have to "pay twice" |
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| 05:34.11 | Dewin | Zorba: That's the 'sudden violent change' aspect. |
| 05:34.52 | Dewin | In our guild's particular situation, it's rare we don't have any overlap between officers on raid day and officers on next raid day, so the synchronization issues aren't likely to be a problem |
| 05:35.01 | ZorbaTHut | the problem isn't really the violence of it, it's the fact that it doesn't respect addition/subtraction semantics |
| 05:35.35 | ZorbaTHut | in a traditional DKP system, you could have someone spend their entire DKP twice simultaneously without really introducing major issues, they'd just have a huge backlog of negative DKP to make up. |
| 05:35.46 | ZorbaTHut | SK doesn't work out quite that elegantly. |
| 05:35.52 | Dewin | yeah, I'm aware |
| 05:36.07 | Dagmar | This is why I prefer zero sum |
| 05:36.10 | Dewin | DSK could counter it a little, but not much. |
| 05:36.21 | Dewin | EPGP works just as elegantly for this though |
| 05:36.26 | Dewin | afk |
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| 05:56.04 | Wobin | this is why I like my guild |
| 05:56.16 | Wobin | we're small enough to say "Roll for it if you need it" |
| 05:56.26 | Wobin | and we're friends enough to pass to someone who needs it more |
| 05:56.40 | Wobin | much less drama |
| 05:57.17 | olafski | we did that too.. great system |
| 05:57.22 | olafski | and no administration :D |
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| 06:33.53 | purl | ~pong |
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| 07:28.09 | miica | btw does wipe do garbage collect? |
| 07:28.17 | Shadowed | table.wipe? |
| 07:28.18 | Shadowed | no |
| 07:29.58 | miica | and is there anything difference between table.wipe and wipe() |
| 07:30.41 | Maldivia | think one is an alias for the other |
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| 07:41.39 | Adys | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/update-on-china.html |
| 07:42.12 | Adys | Wow. This was posted barely a few minutes ago and blogs are linking to it saying they're backing off |
| 07:42.17 | Adys | fucking rtfa |
| 07:42.30 | Adys | or in this case rtflp |
| 07:43.00 | miica | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/138120 what i get? :P |
| 07:43.32 | miica | cant test wipe in lua :< |
| 07:43.57 | miica | and is that "ok" way to do |
| 07:46.16 | Maldivia | why do you want to force a gc |
| 07:46.41 | miica | well just wanted to test :P |
| 07:47.17 | miica | but is it ok to make mettable wipe it and add new data |
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| 07:50.12 | DJJeff | whats the URL of the worldofwarcraft breaking news thingy |
| 07:50.34 | DJJeff | someone linked it the other day and I forgot to bookmark it |
| 07:51.46 | Kalroth | i would suggest http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/breakingnews.html but they dont seem that breaking |
| 07:52.00 | DJJeff | was just a plain page showing the breaking news in html format |
| 07:52.26 | Kalroth | ~wowalert |
| 07:52.27 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 07:52.27 | DJJeff | http://?????.worldofwarcraft.com/news.xml or someshit |
| 07:52.32 | Kalroth | this? |
| 07:52.34 | Cairenn | ~logs |
| 07:52.35 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily |
| 07:53.03 | DJJeff | was said 5 days ago im not looking into logs |
| 07:53.10 | DJJeff | but yes it is the alerts page |
| 07:53.12 | DJJeff | thanks |
| 07:53.32 | Cairenn | If you knew exactly when it was, not like it'd be hard to find it in the logs then |
| 07:53.42 | DJJeff | true :) |
| 07:53.55 | DJJeff | the alert page is what I was after thanks |
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| 08:02.53 | Dagmar | Odd. I thought the servers were supposed to be doing down now |
| 08:05.14 | ZorbaTHut | some servers, not all |
| 08:07.12 | Dagmar | Well, I guess I'll queue for Ahune again then |
| 08:07.34 | Dagmar | I am still undecided about going in there at 78 and have yet to be below 3rd on the meters |
| 08:09.24 | Xinhuan | that's because the 4th and 5th are usually tank and healer? lol |
| 08:09.51 | Dagmar | I wish. |
| 08:10.18 | Dagmar | 80 DK, not being tank, and 80 shaman doing god knows what because we had a paladin healer |
| 08:10.31 | miica | We kicked tank out of random dungeon grp because he collected pokemon cards. |
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| 08:10.43 | Dagmar | It's probably that I'm just spamming seed of corruption |
| 08:12.18 | ZorbaTHut | I was 1st on my last run |
| 08:12.25 | ZorbaTHut | I'm the tank. the healer was 3rd. :( |
| 08:12.31 | Dagmar | wow |
| 08:12.59 | ZorbaTHut | and I'm undergeared by modern standards, at that - my best gear is toc25. the cloak is an upgrade for me. |
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| 08:17.06 | Fisker | slaps ZorbaTHut around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:22.37 | mikma | http://www.mikma.eu/louhinta/Kuva028.jpg |
| 08:22.59 | mikma | my current workplace, the wall there holds the river |
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| 08:24.20 | mikma | the dry are should be the bottom of another canal, but its being repaired/extended and we are exploding the wall off (from where the picture has been taken) |
| 08:24.54 | mikma | dry are -> dry area |
| 08:27.52 | Fisker | "o hai i'm a database administrator, so i can say i wasn't compromised, but likely one of those gm's who have access to the database did" |
| 08:28.26 | Fisker | i think it's safe to conclude that he can't really be a database administrator, if he think Blizzard is allowing 5000+ persons access to the database |
| 08:28.27 | Fisker | durr |
| 08:28.47 | mikma | whats going on |
| 08:28.50 | Adys | Fisker: where? |
| 08:29.18 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13816814281&sid=1#3 |
| 08:29.49 | theorbtwo | They seriously have 5k GMs? |
| 08:30.09 | Fisker | somewhere in that area yeah |
| 08:30.35 | Fisker | actually it includes technical and billing support as well i believe |
| 08:30.43 | Adys | over US and EU, yes |
| 08:30.50 | Fisker | yeah and both regions of course |
| 08:31.20 | Fisker | besides real database administrators use caps |
| 08:31.55 | Fisker | :P |
| 08:32.03 | theorbtwo | Ah, SQL, one of those rare languages where the cannonical casing is ALL CAPS. |
| 08:32.16 | Fisker | Shouting Query Language |
| 08:32.17 | Fisker | oh snap |
| 08:32.25 | wereHamster | "different passwords for mail, paypal, wow and other "important" logins " - putting WoW on the same level as paypal.. |
| 08:33.06 | Corrodias | when a cracked account is worth money... |
| 08:33.09 | theorbtwo | wereHamster: For many people, it would be -- especially if you don't keep a balance in your paypal account. |
| 08:33.33 | Corrodias | cracking wow accounts isn't a huge business just because it's fun. |
| 08:34.38 | Cairenn | http://www.playnoevil.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/1211-World-of-Warcraft-Real-Money-Transaction-RMT-Crime-UPDATED.html |
| 08:34.48 | Cairenn | "A stolen World of Warcraft Account is worth more than a stolen credit card." |
| 08:35.49 | Fisker | that's a pretty stupid way of saying it |
| 08:35.59 | theorbtwo | That doesn't surprise me. These days, automatic behavioral profiling probably means that you can't get much out of a stolen credit card. |
| 08:36.16 | Fisker | But it's still easy money |
| 08:36.27 | Cairenn | http://imtalkingames.com/2010/01/21/wow-account-hacking-out-of-control/ "I guess it’s a testament to the power of the gaming sphere that a stolen WoW account is now worth more on the black market than a stolen credit card number. We wanted gaming to be mainstream and now we are living with the criminal element that comes with anything that has potential monetization." |
| 08:36.28 | Fisker | Just a problem when the authorities come knocking on your door a few days after |
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| 08:37.01 | wereHamster | doubts his account is worth 10$. Being stuck at lvl 67 with no high-end gear.. |
| 08:37.07 | Fisker | mine is worth more :P |
| 08:37.24 | Cairenn | http://www.moviesmusicgamesandmore.com/world-of-warcraft-account.html "Among the WoW community they are even saying that a thief would rather steal your World Of Warcraft account than your credit card because it's more valuable." |
| 08:37.25 | wereHamster | oh, and the hacker would have to pay the subscription fee, too |
| 08:37.31 | Cairenn | Shall I keep going? |
| 08:37.36 | Fisker | mine is worth about 150€ |
| 08:37.48 | Fisker | not counting what they can do with my professions, gear, alts, etc. |
| 08:37.56 | Corrodias | or they get a trial for an expansion. |
| 08:38.14 | Corrodias | that's how they logged into mine a while back, signed up for Wrath trial, apparently |
| 08:38.31 | Fisker | they're not supposed to give you extra game time |
| 08:38.31 | Cairenn | they don't keep it, they crack it, then sell it - the purchaser pays the subs |
| 08:38.44 | Cairenn | ... then they steal it back again |
| 08:38.45 | theorbtwo | wereHamster: Fees are payed in advance, so they don't need to pay until your already-payed bit has run out. |
| 08:38.52 | Fisker | But i read about a case a week back or so where someone saw that it had added a "1-month referral" reward |
| 08:38.59 | Fisker | but that seems risky and silly |
| 08:39.18 | wereHamster | theorbtwo: my already-payed bit has run out two years ago :P |
| 08:39.28 | wereHamster | maybe closer to three years |
| 08:39.51 | Corrodias | it may be slowly dawning on you, wereHamster, that you do not represent a great portion of the playerbase. |
| 08:39.59 | Fisker | i'm kinda annoyed at how indifferent Blizzard is about account selling |
| 08:40.01 | wereHamster | no kidding :) |
| 08:40.13 | theorbtwo | He doesn't represent any of the player base at all. |
| 08:40.19 | Fisker | Someone i know about sold his account for a buttload of money a couple of years ago |
| 08:40.28 | Fisker | And the new owner had several 80's on the account now |
| 08:40.36 | Fisker | Then a couple of months ago he just retrieved it back again |
| 08:40.40 | theorbtwo | Fisker: A certian amount of fear of account-stealing makes people buy authenticators -- which I expect they sell at a profit. |
| 08:40.44 | Fisker | keeping the money, the account, and the new characters |
| 08:40.57 | wereHamster | I do play WoW.. once or twice a year |
| 08:41.07 | theorbtwo | Wow. That's doubly skeezy. |
| 08:41.12 | Fisker | a person like that just needs to have his account banned to hell |
| 08:41.32 | Fisker | even if the buyer was the one making the mistake to begin with |
| 08:41.33 | Corrodias | it's probably illegal, though the transaction was never "valid" in the first place |
| 08:41.56 | Wobin | hm, if it's proven that there was a sale |
| 08:42.01 | Wobin | the account should be deleted =P |
| 08:42.08 | Corrodias | but it'd be like crying to the cops because the crack you bought off a shady guy was diluted with baking soda |
| 08:42.14 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 08:42.18 | Wobin | eh, the buyer has nothing to lose |
| 08:42.27 | theorbtwo | Corrodias: He broke both his contract with WoW, and the conract with the buyer. |
| 08:42.32 | Corrodias | true, in this case he doesn't have it any more. |
| 08:42.33 | Wobin | They just show "Hey, here's a screenie of the ebay page" |
| 08:42.44 | Wobin | I no longer have control of the account, and he has it back |
| 08:42.48 | Wobin | go hit him with a bat |
| 08:43.00 | Corrodias | eh, imagery can be faked, but i know what you mean. |
| 08:43.00 | theorbtwo | (The second one is probably implied, but it's still there, and still broken.) |
| 08:43.30 | Fisker | it's actually funny Wobin |
| 08:43.44 | Fisker | There's some guy who got his account banned for selling his account |
| 08:44.04 | Fisker | but in reality it was some scammer using screenshots of his character that was trying to sell it |
| 08:44.14 | Fisker | he regularly got whispers ingame about it :P |
| 08:44.49 | Cairenn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html 4B covers that |
| 08:44.57 | theorbtwo | I'm actually quite surprised that Blizzard doesn't take a page from the credit card co's playbook, and do behavioral profiling. |
| 08:46.02 | theorbtwo | If you suddenly start logging in from a different location, and mailing your best stuff to somebody you've had no previous contact with, then lock the account until after some sort of hard verification is done. |
| 08:46.18 | Fisker | they do that to some extent |
| 08:46.28 | Fisker | they just never tell about it |
| 08:46.56 | theorbtwo | The big difference in the cases is that credit card cos are responsible for losses incurred through fraud, and Blizzard isn't... but bliz is responsible for all the man-hours responding to complaints about stolen accounts. |
| 08:47.16 | theorbtwo | Fisker: Hm, interesting. I wonder why it gets so little press. |
| 08:48.04 | krka | http://pastey.net/138121 |
| 08:48.07 | krka | best computer language? |
| 08:49.45 | krka | and a compiler / decompiler http://pastey.net/138122 |
| 08:50.40 | Corrodias | you and your vuvvazoolies |
| 08:50.51 | Wobin | krka: is that something you just came up with? =P |
| 08:51.45 | Wobin | where you just replace every letter with a BZ* equivalent? =P |
| 08:51.53 | krka | Wobin: BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 08:53.15 | krka | i wonder if i can register this as an esoteric language |
| 08:53.39 | krka | I can call it B-flat instead of C# :P |
| 08:55.59 | Wobin | >< |
| 08:56.05 | Wobin | arrrrrrgh |
| 08:56.09 | Wobin | worst pun ever |
| 08:57.20 | theorbtwo | By the way, am I the only one who says "C hash"? (I got pissed off at all the MS marketing-approved material that began "C# (prononuced C sharp)"... |
| 08:57.31 | Wobin | quite possibly |
| 08:58.13 | Wobin | if you're being obstinate, you might as well say C-Octothorpe |
| 08:58.39 | Adys | they made an ungooglable language |
| 08:58.40 | krka | I say "See Braaeedgaaoord" |
| 08:58.43 | Adys | their own fucking fault :P |
| 08:58.59 | Adys | actually now google works with it |
| 08:58.59 | Wobin | Adys: ? |
| 08:59.00 | Adys | but still |
| 08:59.11 | theorbtwo | Indeed. C++ had a good excuse -- google didn't exist yet. |
| 08:59.14 | Adys | Wobin, before c# got popular, it was impossible to google hashes |
| 08:59.18 | Wobin | ah |
| 08:59.26 | Corrodias | C++ had no excuse for existing |
| 08:59.35 | Adys | neither do you |
| 08:59.44 | Corrodias | that's not what your mother said last night :d |
| 09:00.12 | Adys | So she told you "You may be useful on this planet after all"? |
| 09:00.14 | Adys | jesus |
| 09:00.44 | Corrodias | yeah it was kind of weird ._. |
| 09:06.09 | Corrodias | goes to bed |
| 09:11.32 | Fisker | lol |
| 09:11.34 | Fisker | failure thief |
| 09:11.44 | Fisker | Steals mobile phone |
| 09:11.50 | Fisker | Finds pornographic material of the owner on it |
| 09:11.56 | Fisker | trys to extort her over facebook |
| 09:12.19 | Fisker | "herro this is danrish porice you facebook? good you give ip" |
| 09:28.01 | olafski | interesting replies in that topic you linked fisker |
| 09:28.12 | olafski | "if it's from noreply@battle.net it's safe" :D |
| 09:28.36 | olafski | "look for weird files" as if they will always label their keylogger as such =( |
| 09:29.26 | Adys | weird-file0041.exe |
| 09:29.51 | Adys | finally done with kalimdor |
| 09:30.05 | Adys | just org, badlands, silverpine and tirisfal left on the lvl 5 |
| 09:30.41 | Fisker | his response is cute though olafski |
| 09:30.49 | Fisker | My computers have been checked thoroughly many times since I disabled my account 6 months ago.... (I have to since I also use them for work.). |
| 09:30.49 | Fisker | Pretty cute though, how it seems people have godly faith in a gaming company's security... Banks are getting scammed by employees, sure.. but not a gaming company! |
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| 09:32.04 | Fisker | The funny thing is |
| 09:32.17 | Fisker | Why would i even bother hacking people if i had access to the database |
| 09:32.42 | Fisker | "hurr durr i hack people for thousands of gold when i can create millions, being that i am a database administrator" |
| 09:33.47 | olafski | yer |
| 09:34.04 | olafski | if I were him I wouldn't have showed my face there again after being told by so many people I was wrong :P |
| 09:35.39 | airtonix | but but |
| 09:35.46 | airtonix | why so fisker ? |
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| 09:55.52 | Fisker | :o |
| 09:56.05 | Fisker | anyone know why people are talking about a new version of warden? |
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| 11:56.16 | Fisker | ~wowalert |
| 11:56.17 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 12:04.20 | miica | is it slower to use metatable than normal table? |
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| 12:12.42 | Cide | miica, your question doesn't make sense |
| 12:12.55 | Cide | it is marginally slower to use a table with a metatable than a table without a metatable |
| 12:13.01 | Cide | but it's not something you should concern yourself with |
| 12:13.51 | miica | hmm,, |
| 12:15.09 | airtonix | in other words |
| 12:15.30 | miica | and is oke to use wipe to nil data in table when you are using metable? |
| 12:15.56 | Cide | yes... |
| 12:16.01 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
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| 12:18.04 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:19.46 | miica | yeah same as saying "go RTFM" :(( |
| 12:19.55 | Cide | yes |
| 12:19.57 | Cide | go rtfm |
| 12:19.57 | miica | Cide made meeh sad |
| 12:20.04 | miica | i go drink beer |
| 12:20.07 | Cide | good |
| 12:20.07 | miica | happy now? |
| 12:20.13 | Cide | as long as you get out of my face |
| 12:20.18 | Kaso | metatables are a fairly complex part of lua, if there's one area you should RTFM its there |
| 12:20.26 | Kaso | i guess the other would be patterns |
| 12:20.55 | Fisker | Kaso |
| 12:21.12 | Kaso | Fisker |
| 12:21.18 | Fisker | cries |
| 12:21.36 | miica | well i used them like normal table and wiped sometimes :D |
| 12:22.20 | Fisker | you touched me in a bad place Kaso |
| 12:22.55 | Cide | miica, that has nothing to do with metatables |
| 12:23.28 | miica | hmm.. |
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| 12:30.13 | airtonix | in other words |
| 12:30.25 | airtonix | fisker |
| 12:31.18 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 12:31.38 | airtonix | what are you trying to say ? |
| 12:31.46 | Fisker | hey? |
| 12:33.40 | Fisker | i said hey airtonix |
| 12:33.44 | Wobin | I'm going to regret eating all these red velvet cupcakes, aren't I? |
| 12:33.50 | Fisker | i hope Wobin |
| 12:34.12 | Wobin | I might try beet juice next time |
| 12:34.44 | airtonix | sitting on lemons is good i hear |
| 12:35.25 | airtonix | specially if your expecting like fisker |
| 12:36.13 | Fisker | airtonix :( |
| 12:38.11 | miica | Cide: but if i understood right tehy got something to do with garbage collector? |
| 12:38.24 | Cide | no |
| 12:38.27 | Cide | read the fucking manual |
| 12:38.40 | miica | why didint i go drink beer |
| 12:39.00 | airtonix | lol cide said fuck |
| 12:39.12 | Cide | totally the first time |
| 12:39.59 | miica | Cide: metatable ~= weak table? :D |
| 12:40.05 | Cide | correct |
| 12:40.35 | miica | aah! |
| 12:41.10 | miica | ja weak tables got something to do with garbage collecting |
| 12:41.14 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 12:41.16 | Fisker | i fucked your mom |
| 12:41.26 | Fisker | that's what you get for being a jerk to me :( |
| 12:41.46 | airtonix | Fisker, was it good for you too ? |
| 12:41.59 | Cide | miica, in a sense |
| 12:42.04 | jnwhiteh | again |
| 12:42.07 | jnwhiteh | the manual covers all of this. |
| 12:42.12 | jnwhiteh | there's a reason people say RTFM |
| 12:42.17 | Cide | <Cide> www.lua.org/pil |
| 12:42.22 | airtonix | because they need a hug ? |
| 12:42.27 | Fisker | i wish airtonix |
| 12:42.31 | jnwhiteh | no, because the people asking questions need a clue. |
| 12:43.57 | ZorbaTHut | dammit they shut all the servers down, I was thinking they were only shutting the listed onces down |
| 12:43.59 | ZorbaTHut | *ones |
| 12:44.04 | ZorbaTHut | :( |
| 12:44.24 | foxlit | ~wowalert |
| 12:44.25 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 12:44.41 | foxlit | "All realms not listed below will undergo scheduled maintenance beginning..." |
| 12:44.47 | foxlit | But who reads the second paragraph? |
| 12:44.57 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I missed that segment |
| 12:45.06 | ZorbaTHut | I was too busy saying "oh no, 24 hour shutdown, whew my server isn't in the list" |
| 12:45.07 | ZorbaTHut | welp |
| 12:45.17 | miica | i just thought Cide feels like gentle and caring and loving person who wants to teach me things :'( |
| 12:45.27 | Cide | duuuude. |
| 12:45.29 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RZ3XRwAPPg <-this is awesome btw |
| 12:45.30 | Cide | wrong guy |
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| 12:50.24 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy vince` |
| 12:51.04 | Lopeppeppy | I doubt that's a good thing. |
| 12:52.52 | Fisker | i don't think it is |
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| 13:01.59 | Fisker | omg Lopeppeppy |
| 13:02.00 | Fisker | it's kd3 |
| 13:02.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaay! |
| 13:02.39 | Lopeppeppy | gets all down with the crazy muppet arms. |
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| 13:06.27 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/LVR9s.jpg |
| 13:07.16 | Maldivia | cute :) |
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| 13:25.34 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/louhinta/poof.avi |
| 13:27.25 | airtonix | lol "the list" |
| 13:27.28 | airtonix | zieg heil! |
| 13:27.37 | airtonix | must be great over there |
| 13:28.45 | Dagmar | Fisker: About the Warden thing... I see a forum post with "I witnessed first hand, warden going through my personal details. Including emails and msn conversations. These sort of things can easily contain strict confidential information. All it would require is a quick word search and you have the social of every player on wow" in it, and can only come to one conclusion |
| 13:29.04 | Dagmar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV4gwR8QDKg <-- is the solution |
| 13:31.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, is Warden taking a beating again? Neat. |
| 13:31.25 | Dagmar | Not really, just seems to be "thing to make shit up about of the day" |
| 13:31.44 | Kalroth | Warden stole my puppy |
| 13:31.48 | Fisker | that's what you get for reading wowinsider |
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| 13:32.10 | airtonix | ^ fisker |
| 13:32.28 | airtonix | why so down? |
| 13:32.47 | Fisker | i r not? |
| 13:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | That's a pretty plain unvarnished truth for Fisker. :) |
| 13:33.27 | Kalroth | Warden fiskered my computer |
| 13:36.07 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/QxJvh.jpg <-the ref was right |
| 13:36.50 | airtonix | Dagmar, so what you're saying is |
| 13:37.00 | airtonix | capital punishment |
| 13:37.24 | Dagmar | No, that would require the intent to kill. |
| 13:37.33 | Dagmar | If they survive a fatal beating, good for them, they can keep posting |
| 13:37.46 | Dagmar | ...but some asses need to be beaten, and beaten hard. |
| 13:37.59 | airtonix | fisker likes to be beaten |
| 13:38.22 | airtonix | Fisker, who are those funny people in white ? |
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| 13:39.05 | Dagmar | Heck I tell people in trade all the time: "Parents: Beat your kids now, to prevent more of ^^ that from happening." |
| 13:39.32 | Kraps | hay gusy |
| 13:39.40 | Dagmar | Jesus this insomnia thing is revealing horrible truths to me |
| 13:39.47 | Dagmar | ...like most of the forum posters are stupid as hell |
| 13:39.54 | airtonix | its true |
| 13:40.04 | airtonix | children need beatings |
| 13:40.06 | Fisker | oh u airtonix |
| 13:40.10 | airtonix | on regular occurances |
| 13:40.24 | Fisker | UMAD |
| 13:40.26 | Dagmar | "If you end up choosing BM (for whatever reason), you're rotation will be unnervingly tedious. |
| 13:40.29 | Dagmar | Steady shot is close to all you have, aside from some CDs" |
| 13:40.41 | Dagmar | I'm thinking this might be why this guy had to change to survival spec to do DPS |
| 13:40.48 | Dagmar | Can't find the buttons |
| 13:41.01 | airtonix | I mean, if didn't recieve beatings then i would might have fallen in to circles of ill repute with the likes of george bush |
| 13:41.13 | Kraps | i missed you all!] |
| 13:41.17 | Dagmar | Surely you don't mean... they'd have let you vote Republican? |
| 13:41.27 | Dagmar | ...and not thrown you out of the house? |
| 13:41.30 | airtonix | oh no |
| 13:42.25 | airtonix | i do mean "become an internationally renowned illiterate tyrant" |
| 13:42.47 | Fisker | ~wowalert |
| 13:42.48 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 13:42.49 | airtonix | like i said...boundaries |
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| 13:54.55 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 13:54.57 | Fisker | i got a theory |
| 13:55.13 | airtonix | WHAT you stinking peasant |
| 13:55.29 | Fisker | about magic and miracles |
| 13:55.33 | airtonix | no |
| 13:55.35 | Fisker | oh |
| 13:55.39 | Fisker | what about magnets then? |
| 13:55.47 | airtonix | it won't work |
| 13:55.51 | Fisker | :( |
| 13:55.53 | Dagmar | THey're like transformers. There's more than meets the eye there. |
| 13:56.13 | airtonix | you're forgeting boiling water |
| 13:56.40 | Fisker | i've seen shit that will shock your eyelids airtonix |
| 13:56.56 | airtonix | let me put my eyelids back on then |
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| 13:57.45 | mikma | airtonix: who's? |
| 13:58.27 | Kraps | "Today, we launched an update to our crash protection feature to extend the amount of time Firefox will wait before terminating unresponsive plugins." |
| 13:58.51 | airtonix | sounds like fail |
| 13:58.51 | Kraps | "The crash protection feature, first introduced in Firefox 3.6.4, protects Windows and Linux users from crashes and freezes caused by third party plugins such as Flash and Silverlight." |
| 13:59.05 | malreth | more coworker goofiness: after asking me how to set a password policy on 10.6 server, he then realizes that his server admin password on the customer's server doesn't meet the policy requirements: 8 chars or longer. |
| 13:59.11 | Dagmar | Wait... wait... |
| 13:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | And surprise, the Flash plugin on Firefox has been crashing hard and fast the last week... |
| 13:59.30 | Dagmar | That little goofball gnome outside the tournament actually summoned an Eredar Lord? |
| 13:59.33 | Dagmar | LOL |
| 13:59.44 | haste | Kraps: and yet I see firefox locking up hard here |
| 13:59.54 | haste | I'm using mozilla-central however :P |
| 13:59.57 | Dagmar | Geez I have to weasel an invite to a ToGC-25 to see that |
| 14:00.18 | haste | Dagmar: yes he does, yes he dies |
| 14:00.39 | airtonix | "tourist lfg to see shortarse summon bigguy" |
| 14:00.41 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: thats probably why "The Adobe Flash plugin has crashed" is first in their list of "Popular Support Articles" :p |
| 14:00.54 | Dagmar | airtonix: C'mon. It's a 25-man and I've got T9 and then some |
| 14:01.01 | Dagmar | airtonix: That'll get me in. ;) |
| 14:01.07 | airtonix | gearscore ? |
| 14:01.12 | Dagmar | haste: I dont doubt it |
| 14:01.13 | Lopeppeppy | All too popular. |
| 14:01.14 | airtonix | laughs |
| 14:01.21 | Dagmar | airtonix: Just under 5k |
| 14:01.37 | airtonix | Dagmar, i was kidding. you can come. |
| 14:01.41 | Dagmar | heh |
| 14:02.06 | Dagmar | I *was* a little irked when I went back to my warlock and the summon for the risky demon had been taken away |
| 14:02.10 | Dagmar | This gives me hop[e |
| 14:02.15 | airtonix | so are raids cross realm too ? or is just dungeons |
| 14:02.36 | Dagmar | Did they put LFR in? |
| 14:02.36 | malreth | just 5-mans |
| 14:03.11 | airtonix | Dagmar, risky demon? you mean the one that originaly randomly sacrificed one of your 5 helpers |
| 14:03.34 | Dagmar | No, mainly I was thinking about the one you had to immediately enslave or it just starts kicking your ass |
| 14:03.37 | airtonix | and then would easily turn nasty on you |
| 14:03.57 | Dagmar | Being that I wasn't summoning them then, I wouldn't have noticed if it killed anyone to do it |
| 14:04.12 | airtonix | Dagmar, originally you needed 5 people to summon one. |
| 14:05.04 | Dagmar | It's apparent replacement doesn't thrill me |
| 14:05.12 | airtonix | which is / |
| 14:05.17 | Dagmar | Ooo.. Now I can double up on rain of fire... Pfft. |
| 14:05.25 | Dagmar | No wait, I blinked and now he's running off somewhere |
| 14:05.57 | Dagmar | Doomguards are *considerably* more trouble than they're worth |
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| 14:07.36 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:11.06 | Kraps | bloody brilliant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB-CRHdaPAo&playnext_from=TL&videos=QDE8WvDc7NE |
| 14:12.40 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 14:12.43 | Fisker | it's harry potter |
| 14:12.47 | Kraps | yes Fisker |
| 14:12.59 | Dagmar | Kraps: I'm just glad to see they decided to do it in two parts |
| 14:13.16 | Dagmar | That book was WAY too long to fit in two hours |
| 14:13.45 | Kraps | Dagmar: the compression starting with the 3rd one was killing the whole thing |
| 14:14.09 | Dagmar | Fuck them for making us wait seven months for the second half tho |
| 14:14.18 | malreth | Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2: The Search for More Money |
| 14:14.49 | Kraps | ^ |
| 14:14.59 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 14:15.19 | Dagmar | ...althought they will probably be making the most of that time to flog us to death with merchandising |
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| 14:19.25 | Kraps | hey its less than the wait for LotR... |
| 14:20.36 | Kraps | Ancilorn (Community Manager) leaves Blizzard Europe |
| 14:20.43 | Shirik | I love being a moderator on forums |
| 14:20.49 | Shirik | you see some really strange instructions |
| 14:20.53 | Shirik | [Locked (click to reply)] |
| 14:21.50 | Dagmar | Kraps: He's decided to go pro as a house sub in a BDSM bar? |
| 14:21.53 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.09 | Shirik | no a different forum actually |
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| 14:22.54 | Kraps | Dagmar: i'm not sure what you mean by that so i'm gonna leave it k? :p |
| 14:23.32 | Dagmar | Well, how else can one willingly subject themselves to MORE abuse at once? |
| 14:25.36 | Cide | Shirik is moderator on more than one forum?! |
| 14:25.40 | Cide | behold his power |
| 14:27.15 | Kalroth | gasps in awe. |
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| 14:27.40 | Shirik | ... |
| 14:27.44 | Kalroth | in fact, it deserves a: http://i41.tinypic.com/2wfsnr5.jpg |
| 14:28.18 | Kalroth | omg cat best cat |
| 14:28.45 | Cide | rofl |
| 14:30.56 | Shirik | wtf |
| 14:31.32 | Kraps | now shirik has to tell us which forum |
| 14:31.43 | Shirik | no I don't |
| 14:31.59 | Kraps | sure you do |
| 14:32.17 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 14:32.19 | Fisker | i'm in heaven btw |
| 14:32.32 | Kraps | fisker died?! |
| 14:32.37 | Shirik | Fisker: Because of the cat? |
| 14:32.42 | Fisker | no |
| 14:32.54 | Fisker | http://gizmodo.com/5575347/video-clearly-shows-antenna-defect-on-iphone-4-web-browser |
| 14:32.55 | Fisker | because of this |
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| 14:33.21 | Fisker | http://hardocp.com/news/2010/06/29/porn_industry_to_drop_flash <-fuck apple bought out the porn industry |
| 14:33.45 | Lopeppeppy | only the pros, the home movies will stay flash! |
| 14:35.22 | Shirik | I like "it's actually kinda magic" |
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| 14:35.59 | Fisker | magnets or what? |
| 14:36.54 | Kraps | wtf i'm gone for like 4 days and theres no wow news |
| 14:37.02 | Shirik | yes magic |
| 14:37.07 | Shirik | how does it work Fisker? |
| 14:37.14 | Fisker | there is Kraps |
| 14:37.18 | Fisker | idk Shirik |
| 14:37.45 | Shirik | Kraps: News is servers down lol |
| 14:39.48 | Kraps | http://tinyurl.com/yjujrmf |
| 14:40.57 | Fisker | i came Shirik |
| 14:41.32 | Shirik | http://img198.imageshack.us/i/118af482f5fbd0full.jpg/?a=j&ci=-1&rt=4 |
| 14:42.37 | Fisker | bitches Shirik |
| 14:42.55 | Seerah | Kraps: yeah, Kirin Tor is down for 24 hrs |
| 14:43.03 | Kraps | ah |
| 14:43.11 | krka | oh noes! |
| 14:43.14 | Seerah | along with a bunch of others |
| 14:43.24 | Seerah | expansion prep and such |
| 14:43.29 | theorb | Hopefully, the Big Expansion Prep. |
| 14:43.47 | malreth | it wouldn't be a successful apple product if people didn't bitch and moan and threaten to sue over it for some god damned reason |
| 14:44.08 | Shirik | maybe if apple made a good product once it wouldn't be a problem |
| 14:44.09 | Fisker | Seerah |
| 14:44.12 | Fisker | kill Shirik |
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| 14:44.34 | Seerah | me tickles Shirik to death |
| 14:44.49 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:44.50 | Fisker | isn't malreth the guy who went "Apple actually cares about thei customers so they don't make shitty phones"? |
| 14:44.51 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 14:44.56 | malreth | see... i think that's actually the problem with Android. none of its users care enough to sue. |
| 14:44.57 | Fisker | their* |
| 14:45.22 | malreth | Fisker: I never lie. |
| 14:45.25 | Dagmar | Well, that and "Android" doesn't make phones |
| 14:45.42 | malreth | semantics semantics |
| 14:45.47 | theorb | Indeed. Google's customers are phone mfgrs, not individuals. |
| 14:45.49 | Dagmar | Buy a Nexus or take it up with your cell provider who is the reason your updates take ages |
| 14:46.12 | theorb | malreth: Semantics are rather important things in lawsuits. |
| 14:46.19 | krka | wtf is mfgrs? |
| 14:46.20 | Dagmar | theorb: No, that's why there's they've got the one model you can buy straight from them |
| 14:46.25 | malreth | except this is IRC, not a courtroom |
| 14:46.34 | Dagmar | ...so you can see how badly your cell provider is fucking you |
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| 14:54.31 | Kraps | Shirik: you play sims 3? |
| 14:55.27 | Fisker | lol sims |
| 14:55.39 | Kraps | stfu Fisker |
| 14:56.15 | malreth | Coworker (again, out of the blue): "Well, it just sounds to me that 'True Blood' has just jumped the shark." |
| 14:56.52 | Kraps | i'm trying to figure how to find whats patch # i have |
| 14:57.17 | Fisker | in sims? |
| 14:57.21 | Kraps | yes |
| 14:57.25 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 14:57.44 | Kraps | rolls eyes at Fisker |
| 14:57.48 | Fisker | lols |
| 14:58.02 | Kraps | the launcher bsods |
| 14:58.17 | Fisker | lols again |
| 14:59.41 | Dagmar | Kraps: If the launcher blows up, Adobe Air is probably broken. Go re-download it |
| 14:59.57 | Dagmar | Aside rfom that you can right-click on TS3.exe and look at the details there I think |
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| 15:00.52 | Kraps | that was sudden |
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| 15:01.27 | Dagmar | Kraps: And ill-timed. TS3's launcher is "written" in Adobe Air. If it's exploding, go see about grabbing the latest version from Adobe directly. |
| 15:04.24 | Fisker | LOL |
| 15:04.27 | Fisker | Adobe Air |
| 15:07.33 | mikma | meh, 3.3.5a patchnotes |
| 15:12.43 | airtonix | fisker |
| 15:13.02 | airtonix | have you been consuming hard drugs again ? |
| 15:14.24 | Dagmar | Fisker: Yeah, for once, I agree with you. |
| 15:15.13 | Dagmar | "Hey guys, nevermind that we've got two flagship products getting bent over by russian criminals on a monthly basis, we need to add a third!" |
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| 15:21.19 | Kraps | IT WORKS! |
| 15:21.32 | Jamash | "World of Lordcraft" "JOIN THE BATTLT NOW" |
| 15:22.04 | Kraps | they're still around? |
| 15:22.24 | Jamash | they're advertising on wowi |
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| 15:22.41 | Kraps | heh |
| 15:23.30 | Dagmar | They can't even be bothered to spellcheck their ad |
| 15:23.36 | Dagmar | I don't think the lawsuit is going to go real well |
| 15:23.58 | Kraps | todays FA is Mariano Rivera /cheer |
| 15:24.47 | Jamash | I hit reload, and got a different ad for the same game |
| 15:24.53 | Jamash | with the same misspelling |
| 15:26.20 | Kraps | " 6 new areas opened: Moonglade, Coldridge Mountains, Stranglethorn Vale, Boundless Prairie, Dragonblight and Searing Desert. You can select these areas as your start location." |
| 15:27.38 | Dagmar | Kraps: *exactly* |
| 15:28.10 | Dagmar | The eventual lawsuit will leave a giant crater where their offices are now |
| 15:28.15 | cog|work | Dagmar: lern2jurisdiction imo... |
| 15:28.24 | Kraps | at least their documentation is a lot more thorough |
| 15:29.07 | Dagmar | Jurisdictions only apply to companies that don't have a ridiculous amount of money, aren't international entities, and aren't in turn backed by an even larger international entity. |
| 15:29.30 | Kraps | yeah, apparently: World of Lordcraft = Evony = Chinese gold farmers |
| 15:30.33 | nicoli_s | the evony people have also gotten caught stealing game assets from other games |
| 15:31.06 | Dagmar | When will people learn |
| 15:31.19 | Kraps | wasnt China cracking down on gold farmers? |
| 15:31.27 | Dagmar | THe thing to do is actually *buy* a well-respected and long-running francise, gut it, and then fuck it's skull for profit |
| 15:31.31 | Dagmar | Like EA does. |
| 15:31.55 | Dagmar | Kraps: They've made it illegal for minors to traffic in virtual money |
| 15:31.59 | Dagmar | ...which means f.a. |
| 15:32.29 | Dagmar | Short-term result: Chinese adults who make bad life decisions can now farm gold without competition from kids |
| 15:32.43 | Dagmar | Long-term result: Probably not a damn thing |
| 15:33.17 | Dagmar | ...or possibly "YOU WILL EARN 3,000 GOLD AN HOUR OR WE WILL REPORT YOU TO THE AUTHORITIES AND SEND YOU TO AN INTERNET REHABILITATION CAMP" |
| 15:33.35 | Dagmar | ...and I'm thinking the latter. |
| 15:35.15 | airtonix | too risky |
| 15:35.20 | airtonix | instead |
| 15:35.20 | Kraps | wow they even have microtransactions now |
| 15:35.35 | airtonix | you get your gold farmers hooked on hard drugs |
| 15:35.39 | airtonix | and then |
| 15:36.05 | airtonix | you threaten them with "revelation to authorities" of "hard drug trafficking" |
| 15:36.08 | Dagmar | Ah but if you do that there's a whole nother set of officials to pay off |
| 15:36.30 | airtonix | or |
| 15:36.44 | airtonix | no |
| 15:36.46 | airtonix | nvm |
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| 15:37.58 | Shirik_ | does this qualify for the obfuscated C++ contest? `virtual typename T::Foo const* Get() const = 0;` |
| 15:38.05 | Shirik_ | I'm not sure how I can fit more keywords in there |
| 15:38.20 | Cide | it does |
| 15:38.26 | Cide | what's typename for anyway? |
| 15:38.53 | airtonix | to divert your attention away from the fact that Shirik is naked. |
| 15:39.03 | Cide | oic |
| 15:39.05 | Shirik_ | it's required by the standard |
| 15:39.12 | Cide | I'm on a horse |
| 15:39.17 | airtonix | kinky |
| 15:39.20 | Shirik_ | If T::Foo denotes a typename you must use keyword typename |
| 15:39.52 | airtonix | what's the tilda for ? |
| 15:39.55 | airtonix | i mean the backtick |
| 15:40.21 | airtonix | nvm the first one was hiding under your question mark |
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| 15:41.14 | Cide | Shirik_, ah |
| 15:41.22 | Cide | why do you have double shiriks now? it messes up my tab completion |
| 15:41.48 | Lopeppeppy | purrs. Twins! |
| 15:41.49 | Shirik_ | http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~driscoll/typename.html |
| 15:41.52 | Shirik_ | See the discussion on "Dependent names" |
| 15:41.52 | Fisker | twins? |
| 15:42.26 | Cide | already on that page god |
| 15:42.47 | Shirik_ | especially the part that says "The problem" |
| 15:43.52 | nevcairiel | Adys: pong |
| 15:44.16 | Adys | nevcairiel: what's the button lock settings variable name? |
| 15:44.20 | Adys | to set it by default |
| 15:44.38 | Adys | nevcairiel: (for the record i think that should be on by default in bartender anyway) |
| 15:44.44 | nevcairiel | its not controlled by a variable |
| 15:44.51 | nevcairiel | it uses the blizzy button lock cvar |
| 15:44.56 | Adys | oh |
| 15:44.57 | Adys | nice :) |
| 15:45.04 | Adys | forget i asked then |
| 15:45.50 | nevcairiel | in other news, i got confirmation that i got the apartment i wanted \o/ |
| 15:46.08 | Shirik_ | yay |
| 15:49.49 | Cide | makes sense Shirik_ |
| 15:49.53 | Cide | when are you fixing your double names |
| 15:50.08 | airtonix | anyone here bothered to make a WSH script to automate creation of users and groups from xml ? |
| 15:51.25 | Fisker | Cide |
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| 15:55.10 | Shirik_ | Cide: One computer at work one at home |
| 15:55.16 | Cide | well combine them! |
| 15:55.28 | Cide | it messes up my tab completion massively |
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| 15:58.56 | Lopeppeppy | No. I like the twin set. |
| 15:59.27 | Fierceflame | Can I just stop a for loop when x condition is emt by just setting 'end' there? |
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| 16:00.08 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 16:00.10 | Fisker | i stopped you |
| 16:00.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no. Help. Help. |
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| 16:02.13 | Kaso | Fierceflame: you want "break" |
| 16:02.51 | Kaso | lua> for i=1,100 do print(i); break; end |
| 16:02.51 | lua_bot | Kaso: 1 |
| 16:05.07 | Fierceflame | Ah break, thanks :D |
| 16:07.21 | Kaso | shame lua doesn't have a "next" or "continue" feature though |
| 16:08.43 | nevcairiel | you can fake that by using a function in the loop |
| 16:08.50 | nevcairiel | if you are really desperate |
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| 16:10.18 | malreth | http://rouxbe.com/cooking-school/lessons/170-pan-frying |
| 16:10.38 | Kaso | its not really a massive issue, but its just one of those connivence things that lua misses a few of |
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| 16:10.48 | Kaso | see also: ++ += |
| 16:11.16 | malreth | Kaso, why do you hate freedom so much? |
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| 16:11.44 | Kaso | lol |
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| 16:16.11 | Kraps | the sims 3 launcher started crashing again |
| 16:19.50 | Shirik_ | there |
| 16:19.50 | Shirik_ | is that better Cide ? |
| 16:20.18 | cog|work | you still have a tail |
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| 16:25.24 | Cide | Shirik_, yes! |
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| 16:50.06 | Shirik_ | how to know you fucked something up: |
| 16:50.17 | Shirik_ | Your constructor initializer looks like this: |
| 16:50.39 | Shirik_ | Class::Class() : foo(bar(foo)) { } |
| 16:51.16 | Shirik_ | what's worse is it will work if I do that |
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| 16:51.59 | nevcairiel | that seems rather weird |
| 16:52.15 | nevcairiel | referencing itself in the assignment like that |
| 16:52.50 | Shirik_ | bar creates an object that needs to know where foo is |
| 16:52.54 | Shirik_ | foo needs the bar object |
| 16:53.01 | Shirik_ | circular dependency :( |
| 16:54.17 | nevcairiel | maybe your design is just off |
| 16:54.34 | foxlit | one might even say he fucked something up |
| 16:55.56 | Shirik_ | [09:50] <@Shirik_> how to know you fucked something up: |
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| 17:02.13 | batrick | see shirik |
| 17:02.18 | batrick | told you C++ is evil |
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| 17:22.18 | mikma | http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2010/06/29/portal-2-e3-demo-in-glorious-direct-feed-hdits-like-you-were-there/ |
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| 17:28.19 | Fisker | ooooooooooooooold |
| 17:28.23 | Lopeppeppy | You can tell it's Tuesday, all the QQing on the forums, omg. |
| 17:29.39 | Adys | http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html |
| 17:29.41 | nicoli_s | Kaelten:my messenger wont let me tell you how horrible the food you picked was today so i have to do it through here |
| 17:31.16 | Fierceflame | Dang broke my slashcommands again >< |
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| 17:42.53 | Fisker | oh sweet |
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| 17:45.55 | Fierceflame | Not reallya s I can;t seem to get it to work again :S |
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| 17:51.47 | Fierceflame | Could someone ahve a look at it? ^^ |
| 17:52.03 | eidolarr | sure |
| 17:52.08 | Lopeppeppy | Post it all in a pastey and give the link. :) |
| 17:53.30 | MoonWitch | Cairenn: ping? |
| 17:53.35 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: pong |
| 17:53.36 | MoonWitch | and Seerah Ping |
| 17:54.02 | Fierceflame | Might not be the best code yet, still ahve to optimize it but: http://toptop18.pastey.net/138134 |
| 17:54.19 | Fierceflame | And it doesnt recognize the slashcommand, at the bottom of the pastey |
| 17:56.15 | Fierceflame | And I can;t seem to find the bug :( |
| 17:57.20 | Torhal | Fierceflame: Try adding this above it: SLASH_ENABLEPVP1 = "/enablepvp" |
| 17:57.37 | eidolarr | yes |
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| 17:58.23 | Fierceflame | Line 64 I got that already? |
| 17:58.32 | Fierceflame | Doews it amtter if it's directly above it or not? |
| 17:58.41 | eidolarr | the 1 |
| 17:58.42 | eidolarr | add the 1 |
| 17:58.52 | eidolarr | make it SLASH_ENABLEPVP1 |
| 17:58.54 | Fierceflame | Ah dang |
| 17:59.04 | Fierceflame | Thanks :D |
| 17:59.26 | eidolarr | did it work? |
| 17:59.31 | eidolarr | i guess servers are down heh |
| 17:59.57 | Cloudwolf | that or no logging in i dunno |
| 18:00.02 | Cloudwolf | ive logge din and found "developer" |
| 18:00.09 | Cloudwolf | as an option in there and im just all O.o? |
| 18:00.14 | Fierceflame | New to slashcommand(And addons as a whole but meh xD) |
| 18:00.18 | Dagmar | If you put your ear to the cablemodem, you can almost hear a sound like a thousand lamers raging |
| 18:00.18 | Fierceflame | Yes it works now :D |
| 18:00.30 | Dagmar | This is how you know they're still down |
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| 18:00.36 | airtonix | Dagmar, thats just fisker fapping |
| 18:00.41 | Dagmar | eeuuuwww |
| 18:00.47 | Fierceflame | Thanks :D |
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| 18:01.43 | malreth | WISHES TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT "THE HAMMER" IS HIS PENIS |
| 18:02.31 | airtonix | oook. |
| 18:02.40 | airtonix | less hard drugs |
| 18:02.56 | Cloudwolf | question for the computer savvy. How beneifical is it to get more ram. Will it remove some stress off of the CPU or would it just make preloaded applicatons run faster/more stable? |
| 18:03.24 | cog|work | removes stress from the HD more than anything, but only if you regularly approach the limit |
| 18:03.43 | Cloudwolf | Well considering im using 2gb and windows xp i asume i am >.> |
| 18:04.00 | cog|work | you're only going to get at most one more useful gig |
| 18:04.01 | airtonix | #hardware |
| 18:04.09 | cog|work | unless you move to 64-bit |
| 18:04.20 | cog|work | but it might make a noticeable difference |
| 18:04.21 | airtonix | or a pae kernel :) |
| 18:04.28 | airtonix | oh wait lulz |
| 18:04.32 | cog|work | airtonix: i've never gotten pae working correctly... |
| 18:04.42 | airtonix | younotdoinitrite |
| 18:05.04 | cog|work | it even says "physical address extension" in the "my computer" properties |
| 18:05.08 | Cloudwolf | airtonix i need an invite to be in the hardware channel lol |
| 18:05.21 | cog|work | but it still only recognizes 4 gigs less memory-mapped devices (e.g. VRAM) |
| 18:05.54 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.03 | cog|work | Cloudwolf: you'll probably notice quicker load times in wow going from 2-3 gigs, but i doubt they'd be particularly significant |
| 18:06.26 | airtonix | faster ram counts |
| 18:06.36 | Legorol | "PAE" is not something that allows you to use more physical ram |
| 18:06.53 | Legorol | it's an addressing extension that applies to the virtual address space used by applications |
| 18:06.53 | Cloudwolf | meh i mostly just need a new computer |
| 18:06.53 | Shirik_ | sweedish metal is fun |
| 18:07.13 | Cloudwolf | im on what you might say is a relic for technology >.>... kind of 5 year old no upgrades |
| 18:07.29 | Shirik_ | some might say that we are cold/don't believe all that you're told/our hearts are made of gold/in the land of ice and snow |
| 18:07.29 | durcyn | Legorol: actually, it is. PAE allows the OS to address 64gb, but individual 32-bit processes are still limited to 32-bit address space |
| 18:07.29 | airtonix | Cloudwolf, don't flatter yourself |
| 18:08.28 | Maldivia | malreth: but everyone's a hero in their own way... |
| 18:08.30 | airtonix | durcyn, didn't you just repeat what he said in a different way ? |
| 18:09.06 | Lopeppeppy | What does that make us? Big damn heroes. |
| 18:09.06 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 18:09.07 | Legorol | durcyn: in theory. not in practice. read up on how PAE is actually implemented in windows |
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| 18:09.24 | Legorol | due to driver compatibility problems, you can't use more than 4 Gb even with PAE |
| 18:09.40 | airtonix | good thing i don't use windows. |
| 18:09.43 | durcyn | Legorol: in XP, yes. not in more recent kernels. |
| 18:09.45 | malreth | just upgrade to a 64-bit capable OS. |
| 18:09.46 | durcyn | airtonix: no? |
| 18:10.23 | Legorol | durcyn: you mean vista and/or 7 allows more? |
| 18:10.28 | Legorol | in which case i'm wrong |
| 18:10.52 | durcyn | Legorol: last i tried PAE on vista, it was able to address beyond 4gb |
| 18:11.03 | durcyn | but it's not like a single 32-bit process can do fuck-all with the extra memory anyway |
| 18:11.15 | cog|work | besides not be swapped, anyway |
| 18:11.19 | Dagmar | Uhhh... Yes you very much can use more than 4Gb of RAM with PAE |
| 18:11.21 | kd3 | grrs at battlenet |
| 18:11.23 | Dagmar | In 32-bit |
| 18:11.35 | durcyn | Dagmar: a single thread cannot. |
| 18:11.37 | Dagmar | Your processes are limited, but the OS can quite handily deal with it |
| 18:11.42 | Legorol | durcyn: doens't matter what a single process can do, because it is mapped to the physical |
| 18:11.47 | cog|work | Dagmar: we've established that |
| 18:12.08 | Legorol | durcyn: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension, vista and 7 (32-bit editions ofc) can't use more than 4 still |
| 18:12.08 | durcyn | anyway, i think the end result is: PAE works, vendors' implementations don't. |
| 18:12.20 | cog|work | ^ |
| 18:12.52 | Dagmar | I've no idea what driver problem he's talking about |
| 18:12.53 | Lopeppeppy | grrrrs at kd3. Stitch is troubled, she needs desserts! |
| 18:13.12 | Dagmar | We've got boxes at the office with OMGLOTS of ram in them running freaking windows |
| 18:13.37 | Legorol | dagmar: but are they actually using it all? |
| 18:13.41 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 18:13.42 | Legorol | and are they 32-bit windows versions? |
| 18:13.46 | Dagmar | Exchange is REALLY GOOD at that |
| 18:13.58 | Legorol | precisely which windows version is it? |
| 18:14.02 | Dagmar | Yes, they're 32-bit versions |
| 18:14.15 | Dagmar | I'll ask them the next time I'm in the office |
| 18:14.34 | kd3 | grrs more at another set of gnawed-through earphones |
| 18:14.43 | kd3 | blasted cat |
| 18:15.05 | malreth | kd3: http://www.bitterapple.com/ |
| 18:15.06 | Dagmar | kd3: There's something you'll find at a baby store that's like nail polish, and is meant to break kids of chewing their fingernails. |
| 18:15.08 | Legorol | well, wikipedia says: However, "client" versions of 32-bit Windows (Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7) limit physical address space to the first 4 GB for driver compatibility [12] and licensing[13] reasons, even though these versions do run in PAE mode if NX support is enabled. |
| 18:15.09 | Dagmar | It will work on cats |
| 18:15.21 | Dagmar | Well, thanks for reading Wikipedia to me |
| 18:15.29 | malreth | i bathe my headphone cords, shoe laces, etc. in that bitter apple stuff |
| 18:15.35 | malreth | the cat never touches them now |
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| 18:17.30 | Maldivia | kd3: agree on the battle.net grrr'ing |
| 18:17.39 | kd3 | in yet other news... alex is still a tropical storm and not going to run over the spill |
| 18:17.40 | durcyn | it's more satisfying to clip said cat with your boot as it scurries away from the back of the equipment it has just chewed in half |
| 18:17.51 | kd3 | dunno if I'm happy about that or not |
| 18:17.56 | Legorol | http://www.geoffchappell.com/viewer.htm?doc=notes/windows/license/memory.htm provides very interesting read on the subject |
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| 18:18.01 | Dagmar | Hurricane season's not over yet |
| 18:18.10 | Dagmar | THere's still time to have flaming oil thunderstorms |
| 18:18.21 | durcyn | i have a TOSlink cable with the entirely filament visible, thanks to a kitten who thinks plastic is food |
| 18:18.26 | durcyn | entire* |
| 18:18.27 | malreth | flaming alligator rain? |
| 18:19.04 | Fisker | just get 64-bit |
| 18:19.18 | malreth | just get bitter apple spray |
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| 18:20.28 | MoonWitch | irssi is odd |
| 18:20.38 | malreth | NO U |
| 18:20.44 | Fisker | i do believe i remember reading that PAE and NX had compatibility issues which is why they didn't have the extra memory enabled |
| 18:20.47 | Fisker | but 64-bit = win |
| 18:21.47 | Dagmar | I think it's more a matter of Microsoft thinks anyone who could afford more than 4Gb of RAM can afford to cough up a little more to run the "server-class" OS |
| 18:21.48 | nevcairiel | just compiling something for 64-bit without optimizing for it can actually make it slower |
| 18:22.06 | Dagmar | ...which is probably true, but morally crap. |
| 18:22.08 | kd3 | and bigger |
| 18:22.15 | Cloudwolf | looks ilke blizard may be extending thier maintenance |
| 18:22.21 | Cloudwolf | or the 3.3.5a patch botched some stuff |
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| 18:22.45 | Fisker | bam Cloudwolf |
| 18:22.58 | Cloudwolf | i'm going with botched |
| 18:23.14 | Fisker | 64-bit licenses are free anyway Dagmar |
| 18:23.36 | Dagmar | Yeah sure. You just run LInux. |
| 18:23.37 | Dagmar | Problem solved. |
| 18:23.41 | Fisker | naw |
| 18:23.56 | Fisker | just download a 64-bit edition of Vista or Windows 7 on bittorrent |
| 18:24.06 | Dagmar | That's not a licence. |
| 18:24.11 | Fisker | your cd-key is |
| 18:24.31 | Fisker | The license for Home something something and up is both 32-bit and 64-bit |
| 18:24.36 | Fisker | Ultimate comes with 32-bit and 64-bit media |
| 18:24.45 | malreth | http://news.cnet.com/2300-13860_3-10003932-5.html |
| 18:24.45 | Dagmar | Ultimate is the reason I don't have to give a shit |
| 18:24.47 | Fisker | so for the other licenses you need to get the media yourself |
| 18:24.54 | malreth | "Why Humans Matter:" |
| 18:25.07 | malreth | it's like something out of an Aperture Science presentation |
| 18:25.17 | Dagmar | Substantial in size? |
| 18:25.18 | Dagmar | WTF |
| 18:25.23 | Fisker | Windows 7 have both 64 and 32-bit disks regardless of edition(Except starter edition of course) as far as i know |
| 18:25.30 | malreth | Dagmar: i know, right? |
| 18:26.02 | malreth | Microsoft has officially declared that chestnuts are lazy. |
| 18:26.11 | Dagmar | I'm going to go with that they're talking about the volume of non-enthusiast users |
| 18:26.50 | Dagmar | I *do* like how they mention for enthusiasts "don't assume they are tech experts or have technical abilities" |
| 18:26.58 | malreth | Dagmar: yes... when you translate from marketdroidassspeak to English |
| 18:27.04 | nevcairiel | thats the worst kind of users |
| 18:27.04 | Dagmar | Essentially saying "Yes, our biggest proponents are often ignorant twats |
| 18:27.09 | nevcairiel | want the shiny, but have no clue |
| 18:27.43 | cbreak | apple is not a religion! |
| 18:28.03 | Dagmar | I've got a bigger concern about their upcoming app store |
| 18:28.21 | nevcairiel | everyone is doing app stores these days, nothing special |
| 18:28.35 | Dagmar | I'm betting they're going to have another go at filling a user's screen with Terrifying Warnings and Dire Imprecations if they dare to try to install something not signed by Microsoft |
| 18:28.36 | Fisker | nothing for actual computers though |
| 18:28.38 | cbreak | who's app store? |
| 18:28.41 | Fisker | well except LINNIX |
| 18:28.44 | Fisker | which is shit |
| 18:29.02 | nevcairiel | steam is an app store for games |
| 18:29.14 | Dagmar | Yes, but it's not tied into SteamOS or something |
| 18:29.40 | Dagmar | It still has to basically jump through the same OS security hoops in the form of 1-2 dialogs saying "you wanna install somfing yes?" |
| 18:29.42 | nevcairiel | they already fade out your screen and bring up some warning box when you install a unsigned app |
| 18:29.58 | nevcairiel | if its signed, they skip the fade out, just show the box |
| 18:30.00 | Dagmar | Yeah and I bet the app store will bypass that |
| 18:30.09 | nevcairiel | if its properly signed, its not a warning box, but a info box |
| 18:30.19 | nevcairiel | (different icon) |
| 18:30.21 | Dagmar | "properly" signed is the issue tho |
| 18:30.40 | nevcairiel | just because the certs windows know cost a small fortune to use |
| 18:31.17 | Dagmar | ...which makes them virtually impossible to get for any open-source software, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of people know and use it |
| 18:31.34 | cbreak | isn't it a standard ssl cert? |
| 18:31.47 | nevcairiel | big open source projects already have those certs |
| 18:31.58 | Dagmar | Let me put this another way |
| 18:32.06 | Dagmar | I don't trust Microsoft to do the right thing, ever. |
| 18:32.17 | Dagmar | They have done nothing in the last ten or so years but reaffirm this. |
| 18:32.36 | Dagmar | Do you remember how quickly it was noted that IE had a "bug" that prevented it from downloading Firefox? |
| 18:32.56 | Dagmar | ...because it appeared to have been _added_ to IE |
| 18:33.11 | Dagmar | Have you tried to download Chrome lately using IE |
| 18:33.25 | Fisker | Steam should be an app store for fucking everything |
| 18:33.25 | Fisker | :3 |
| 18:33.26 | Dagmar | Microsoft doesn't play fair. |
| 18:33.43 | nevcairiel | You get some funny choose-your-browser page now |
| 18:33.59 | Fisker | people QQ too much |
| 18:34.01 | Dagmar | Only if you're in the EU |
| 18:34.10 | nevcairiel | Sucks to be in the US then, i guess :) |
| 18:34.25 | nevcairiel | I've actually never had any such issues |
| 18:34.31 | Fisker | the only thing they really did wrong was with the whole WMP / Locking down the app default debacle |
| 18:34.32 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/engineers.jpg |
| 18:34.35 | Dagmar | If you're in the US, IE appears to "malfunction" and you wind up having to click multiple times just to get it to download the installer |
| 18:34.39 | Fisker | and that's like a billion years ago now |
| 18:35.16 | nevcairiel | mikma: i really didnt have to see that |
| 18:35.28 | Fisker | oh but you did |
| 18:35.30 | Fisker | it was hot |
| 18:35.30 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: It was on kuvaton. You should have known |
| 18:35.31 | Fisker | hoooooooooooooooooo |
| 18:35.32 | Fisker | t |
| 18:35.45 | batrick | kicks Fisker. |
| 18:35.53 | Fisker | oh my |
| 18:36.36 | mikma | oh my, successful troll, fisker! nice |
| 18:36.40 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/ihold.jpg |
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| 18:37.19 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 18:38.08 | cog|work | lie'd |
| 18:38.19 | batrick | no u |
| 18:38.21 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 18:38.33 | Fisker | you look very hot today |
| 18:38.50 | cog|work | must be my wool hat |
| 18:38.54 | cog|work | turns on a fan |
| 18:39.43 | cog|work | http://www.hannahats.com/caps-page-0-5900.html |
| 18:39.45 | Fisker | takes off some clothes |
| 18:41.02 | Shirik_ | and you thought C++ was bad |
| 18:41.03 | Shirik_ | foreach (string friend in (element.TaggedValues["friends"] ?? "").Split(',').Where(v => v.Trim().Length > 0)) |
| 18:41.24 | batrick | which language is that? |
| 18:41.28 | cog|work | C# |
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| 18:41.54 | malreth | what is that shit? |
| 18:42.02 | cog|work | Shirik_: lern2tempvariable |
| 18:42.03 | cog|work | imo |
| 18:42.10 | Shirik_ | nah |
| 18:42.11 | Shirik_ | too hard |
| 18:42.16 | Shirik_ | that would mean multiple lines |
| 18:42.28 | Fisker | takes down Shirik_ |
| 18:42.35 | cog|work | also, fluent interfaces are fine |
| 18:43.01 | Shirik_ | fluent interfaces? |
| 18:43.03 | Kraps | can you affect your computer adversely by causing too many BSODs? |
| 18:43.19 | cog|work | obj.Method1().Method2().SomethingElse() |
| 18:43.25 | Shirik_ | Kraps: Hit ctrl+alt+scroll lock+scroll lock a billion times and find out :) |
| 18:43.46 | Shirik_ | you know what's reaely annoying though cog|work |
| 18:43.46 | cog|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluent_interface |
| 18:43.56 | Shirik_ | VC# highlights 'friend' as a keyword |
| 18:44.04 | Shirik_ | it may be VAX actually, not sure |
| 18:44.05 | Shirik_ | but something does |
| 18:44.07 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 18:44.45 | cog|work | Kraps: depends entirely on what is happening during the BSOD |
| 18:45.06 | cog|work | unflushed disk buffers can mean corrupted data |
| 18:45.21 | cog|work | s/during/at the time of/ |
| 18:45.37 | cog|work | so in the general case, the answer would be "yes" |
| 18:47.16 | Cloudwolf | .... I just saw a commercial that was auto tuned........ and yes bsods can hurt your system |
| 18:47.28 | Kraps | trying to launch the sims 3 launcher gives me bullshit bsods. i know its bullshit because i got the launcher to work once, and the bsod message is different from before it gt it to work that one time |
| 18:47.45 | cog|work | maybe the first bsod already corrupted something |
| 18:47.47 | Cloudwolf | its cus your trying to playt he sims kraps |
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| 18:47.50 | Shirik_ | Kraps: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/Q244139 |
| 18:48.28 | Kraps | Shirik_: cool |
| 18:48.47 | Kraps | Cloudwolf: no |
| 18:49.08 | Dagmar | Kraps: The question you should be asking yourself is not "why does it BSOD?" but rather, "Why does God hate me so?" |
| 18:49.08 | Cloudwolf | lol i don't ilke the sims never liked it |
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| 18:49.54 | cbreak | friend is a C++ keyword. |
| 18:49.58 | Kraps | Dagmar: i used to ask that but then found a way to run the game w/o the launcher |
| 18:50.05 | Shirik_ | cbreak: but not a C# one |
| 18:50.28 | cog|work | cbreak: you say that as if it's relevant ;) |
| 18:50.31 | Dagmar | Well, like I said, Adobe Air is probably to blame |
| 18:50.38 | Dagmar | ...or maybe BP. |
| 18:50.40 | Kraps | so He must hate me much les than i thought at first |
| 18:50.41 | Dagmar | It's really hard to call. |
| 18:50.44 | cbreak | it is as relevant as C#... :) |
| 18:50.55 | alestane | MoonWitch: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-18111.html |
| 18:50.59 | Kraps | Dagmar: i updated Air |
| 18:51.45 | Kraps | Dagmar: took me a year to find out how to run the game |
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| 18:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i agree. |
| 18:52.21 | NightHawkTheSane | goes to lunch |
| 18:52.49 | MoonWitch | it'll take some getting used to --- |
| 18:52.55 | Kraps | bought it last summer, shelved it because it didnt work, looked it up again 2 weeks ago, found the "run exe" solution |
| 18:54.49 | Dagmar | Well, if it's any consolation, it's always run fine for me. ;) |
| 18:55.15 | Kraps | it's not, but thanks |
| 18:56.23 | Cloudwolf | i want blizzard to put their infomation post on the launcher and not just on the login screen |
| 18:56.28 | Cloudwolf | would be helpful imo |
| 18:57.15 | Kraps | Dagmar: you got any of the xpacs/stuff packs? |
| 18:57.20 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 18:57.36 | Dagmar | If EA can't be bothered to fix the game properly, I can't be bothered to play it anymore |
| 18:58.30 | Cloudwolf | what game? sims3 again? |
| 18:58.38 | Kraps | its really disappointing |
| 18:59.09 | Kraps | "EA can't be bothered to fix" a blockbuster franchise |
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| 19:00.04 | Kraps | or do they have just 10 people working on the game? |
| 19:00.40 | alestane | MY cousin on Facebook: "Cannot describe this pass through airport security without using vulgar language. Since my mother reads this, I will not use vulgar language." |
| 19:00.58 | Dagmar | alestane: That's what happens when you fly in the US |
| 19:02.46 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/06/im_down_scientists_invent_male.php |
| 19:03.52 | Kraps | loooooooooooooo mikma |
| 19:03.58 | mikma | hello |
| 19:04.22 | malreth | i would totally take a male birth control pill |
| 19:04.50 | malreth | anything to insure that i won't get my mistress pregnant |
| 19:05.14 | Thunder_Child | not haveing sex would her would do that |
| 19:05.17 | mikma | why does the laugh always have to be loud? why not "loq", or inwards, "lil" or "liq" |
| 19:05.45 | Jamash | re: male birth control: what, again? |
| 19:06.10 | Thunder_Child | s/would/with/ |
| 19:07.00 | malreth | Thunder_Child: then i lose the perk of having a mistress |
| 19:07.05 | Jamash | mikma: why not laynwy? |
| 19:07.59 | mikma | jamash: too long |
| 19:09.40 | Thunder_Child | malreth: 'a' perk |
| 19:10.12 | malreth | Thunder_Child: oh right. yes. |
| 19:10.16 | malreth | of course |
| 19:10.27 | malreth | adjusts monocle |
| 19:10.51 | Jamash | mikma: in that cause, why non just "il" |
| 19:11.32 | Jamash | s/non/not/ |
| 19:11.46 | mikma | innerlaugh? |
| 19:11.49 | alestane | Um...some people just don't get it, do they? http://clientsfromhell.net/post/749549515/boss-charges-into-my-office-furiously-two-days |
| 19:11.55 | Thunder_Child | malreth: or just make sure not to use that particular hole |
| 19:12.07 | alestane | That's like trying to make sure no-one else can see add-on code. |
| 19:12.10 | Jamash | "i laughed" |
| 19:12.33 | Jamash | there's javascript obfuscators, of course, but yeah |
| 19:13.09 | mikma | jamash: penis penis penis il. |
| 19:14.52 | Jamash | mikma: your penis is ill? you should see a doctor |
| 19:15.02 | Lopeppeppy | penis nil would be worse. |
| 19:15.19 | mikma | true |
| 19:15.45 | malreth | Lopeppeppy speaks truth |
| 19:15.49 | Jamash | penis illinois |
| 19:15.52 | mikma | hey! |
| 19:16.05 | mikma | nil! "now i laughed" |
| 19:16.30 | Kraps | heh http://store.steampowered.com/app/21130/ |
| 19:16.32 | Jamash | ilsbnalbtjwtf |
| 19:16.54 | Jamash | I'm waiting for Lego God of War |
| 19:16.59 | malreth | ijlaalpco |
| 19:17.43 | Jamash | I'd say I was waiting for lego porn but of course the Brick Testament already exists |
| 19:17.53 | mikma | har har har, mi sides are splittin' in laughter! |
| 19:18.26 | malreth | i love the Brick Testament. they should make an animation |
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| 19:19.42 | alestane | Kernel panic, ugh. |
| 19:19.53 | Jamash | you should get kernel xanax |
| 19:20.03 | NightHawkTheSane | if you don't have three different kinds of animals on your sandwitch, you're doing it wrong. |
| 19:20.17 | Jamash | problem with illustrating the brick testament is he leaves in all the NC-17 parts of the bible |
| 19:20.24 | Jamash | s/illustrating/animating/ |
| 19:20.29 | Cloudwolf | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/06/your_kneading_feels_different.php |
| 19:20.31 | Cloudwolf | O.o |
| 19:20.34 | Cloudwolf | bionic kitteh |
| 19:20.44 | Jamash | YES |
| 19:20.57 | Jamash | we have the technology |
| 19:26.49 | Dagmar | THey find the story that a cat was sleeping in a field fishy? |
| 19:27.00 | Dagmar | Someone's never owned a cat before. |
| 19:29.07 | Cloudwolf | huh? |
| 19:30.08 | Dagmar | They say the story about how the cat lost it's legs was "fishy as hell" |
| 19:30.17 | Dagmar | Cats don't move for fucking ANYONE once they're comfy |
| 19:31.20 | malreth | Cat's point of view: Every other time I heard that damn noisy thing, nothing's ever happened. Why worry now? |
| 19:31.25 | alestane | If you want the best seat in the house, move the cat. |
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| 19:34.04 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/06/29/funny-pictures-beaver-shot/ |
| 19:34.09 | alestane | (SFW) |
| 19:34.53 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:34.54 | Cloudwolf | lol tail |
| 19:35.33 | Cloudwolf | i hate cheezeburger speak why the hell do the people writing comments WRITE THAT WAY i can hanlde it when its on the picture |
| 19:35.39 | Cloudwolf | but fffff its worse than leetspeek |
| 19:36.05 | alestane | I'm guessing that guy was raised in captivity. Beaver are not usually sanguine about being picked up. |
| 19:36.28 | cog|work | Cloudwolf: http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Genesis_1 |
| 19:37.55 | Cloudwolf | some one seriously convereted parts to the bible like a lot of them into cheezeburger speak? |
| 19:38.05 | Cloudwolf | ..... i uhm uh.... yeah.... |
| 19:38.26 | Lopeppeppy | Lolcat Bible! |
| 19:38.29 | alestane | Yeah, that's pretty much how it would go if a cat were in charge. |
| 19:38.49 | Lopeppeppy | Although cats do tend to speak much more properly than humans think they do. |
| 19:39.42 | alestane | Mraou! |
| 19:40.33 | Lopeppeppy | Jazzhands. |
| 19:44.47 | smcn | realms coming up yo |
| 19:45.47 | Cloudwolf | mines up :D |
| 19:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | I, for one,am not looking forward to the cat uprising |
| 19:45.55 | Cloudwolf | but thats only the like 20 realms that werent going under for 24 hours |
| 19:46.53 | Kraps | Cloudwolf: I DEMAND A REFUND! |
| 19:46.55 | Jamash | Lopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/07/funny-pictures-i-question-the-general/ |
| 19:47.07 | Cloudwolf | uhmmmmmm i sold you nothing? |
| 19:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. With fangs!! |
| 19:47.44 | Kraps | I CANT PLAY WOW |
| 19:47.47 | Jamash | my realm is up |
| 19:47.56 | Jamash | does a dance. |
| 19:50.07 | malreth | choose a new form for cog|work... that of a giant Slor! |
| 19:50.49 | Cloudwolf | slurm ftw |
| 19:51.39 | Lopeppeppy | Do not want to go shoe shopping, rawr. |
| 19:51.57 | malreth | then don't. shoes won't make you happy. |
| 19:52.17 | malreth | only one thing will, Lopeppeppy |
| 19:52.27 | Lopeppeppy | New sandals for work so my feet don't hurt. :P |
| 19:52.40 | NightHawkTheSane | this is a great article: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/matt-taibbi/blogs/TaibbiData_May2010/122137/83512 |
| 19:52.56 | malreth | it's not work, or your feet that hurt, Lopeppeppy. it's your heart. |
| 19:53.05 | malreth | makes pouty face while pointing at his chest |
| 19:53.15 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, you offering to un-grinch me somehow? |
| 19:53.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: that sounds lewd. |
| 19:53.54 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: correct. first, you must accept me into your heart and soul. malreth is the path to happiness. |
| 19:54.13 | malreth | my love is available for you all, my children |
| 19:54.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yuh-huh. I got a bridge in Oklahoma to sell you after the next tornado. |
| 19:54.51 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: thats a euphamism, yes? |
| 19:56.26 | alestane | Kat just got a pair she says are surprisingly comfortable for how high the heels are, Peppy. |
| 19:56.35 | malreth | NightHawkTheSane: more like a "you-fill-mism" |
| 19:56.44 | malreth | ok... that didn't work as expected |
| 19:56.50 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: i'm going to pretend i didn't read that. |
| 19:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, sandals aren't for heels, I promise. That's half the problem. Other half is that they have to be close-toed. |
| 19:57.29 | alestane | Yes, but she didn't get those, so I can't really make conversation about them. |
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| 19:58.00 | alestane | "Yay" for office dress codes. |
| 19:58.26 | alestane | At least I presume that's where the "closed toe" part comes from. |
| 19:58.51 | Dagmar | It keeps unwashed hippies from wearing tivas and you should be THANKFUL it's there |
| 19:59.16 | malreth | Crocs are closed toe shoes. |
| 19:59.27 | nicoli_s | boo on office dress codes |
| 19:59.36 | malreth | there will be no justice in this world as long as Crocs exist |
| 19:59.50 | Dagmar | One or more of your co-workers, unbeknownst to all of you, probably walks barefoot through an abbatoir twice before breakfast and then puts on their shoes before coming into the office. |
| 20:00.26 | Dagmar | malreth: WHen I first saw someone wearing crocs I though "poor kid, having to wear corrective shoes all the time. I wonder what's wrong with her." |
| 20:00.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: abattoir |
| 20:00.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: and i walk through THREE of them. twice, each. |
| 20:00.50 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: There's a thing called baking soda |
| 20:00.54 | Dagmar | ...and fire. |
| 20:01.08 | NightHawkTheSane | duh, how do you think i kill the animals? |
| 20:01.12 | Dagmar | malreth: Now I see that what's wrong with the girl is that she was wearing crocs. |
| 20:01.18 | Dagmar | It's self-fulfilling retardation |
| 20:01.19 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: /boggle |
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| 20:16.02 | malreth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg AAAAAAND then the follow-up video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOtC9QfXac |
| 20:17.14 | Adys | kd3, ping |
| 20:17.23 | kd3 | pong |
| 20:17.27 | Adys | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16315 |
| 20:17.30 | Adys | if you're interested |
| 20:17.46 | kd3 | oof |
| 20:18.00 | Adys | Note: Linux kernel bugs about WoW = lol |
| 20:18.23 | kd3 | yeah, I saw aj namedropping wow and wondered whether that was going to help or hurt that bug report |
| 20:19.16 | Adys | With like half of the wine devs playing wow, I doubt there's anything to worry about |
| 20:19.16 | Adys | hehe |
| 20:19.51 | Arrowmaster | i feel like im carrying people in every game i play http://www.bungie.net/stats/halo3/gamehistoryodst.aspx?player=Arrowmaster |
| 20:20.51 | Dagmar | Joy. Frostling on my warlock. |
| 20:21.13 | Dagmar | If I'm going to keep getting the rare drops, the least tehy could so is make them gear |
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| 20:31.36 | Arrowmaster | i fucking carried these guys and the host disconnected 7k before the goal http://www.bungie.net/Stats/ODSTg.aspx?gameid=98277467&player=Arrowmaster |
| 20:31.47 | Arrowmaster | now i have no fucking motivation to try again but we are |
| 20:32.34 | Kalroth | qq |
| 20:32.54 | nicoli_s | i love firefight |
| 20:33.07 | Arrowmaster | yeah well i want to goto the store and pickup a new game that came out today instead of playing this |
| 20:33.16 | Dagmar | Something came out today? |
| 20:33.38 | Arrowmaster | N3II |
| 20:34.18 | Dagmar | looks for a trailer |
| 20:34.59 | Dagmar | Oh. I seem to have seen a game like this before. Wading through trash mobs as fast as your enormous swords can cut them down. |
| 20:35.05 | Dagmar | Looks like they've added elves tho. |
| 20:37.14 | nicoli_s | ninety nine nights fucking blows |
| 20:37.18 | nicoli_s | the first one was so terrible |
| 20:37.19 | Fisker | bad nicoli_s |
| 20:37.19 | Fisker | bad |
| 20:37.46 | Dagmar | I hope the plot is good because the gameplay has been done to death |
| 20:43.20 | Kaso | Why the hell cant i connect to wow on windows but i can on linux >< |
| 20:43.51 | Dagmar | in b4 keylogger |
| 20:45.28 | Fisker | oh my |
| 20:45.30 | Kaso | I also love how the support links from the game dont go anywhere |
| 20:45.35 | Fisker | in b4 antitrust lawsuit |
| 20:46.32 | Guest21195 | in b4 fisker trolling |
| 20:46.33 | Guest21195 | o wait |
| 20:47.16 | Fisker | o u |
| 20:47.56 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/photos/windows-8-windows-store-mockup-images/#3126809 <-Hay guise we heard you like Steam, so we ripped it off and bundled it with Windows |
| 20:48.01 | Fisker | hello lawsuit |
| 20:51.31 | nicoli_s | heh its funny, i knew about the windows app store months ago :) |
| 20:51.53 | Fisker | why? |
| 20:52.27 | nicoli_s | cuz i got contacts :) |
| 20:52.44 | Fisker | i disagre |
| 20:52.47 | Fisker | disagree* |
| 20:52.59 | Dagmar | kaso: I was only partly joking. If the launcher doesn't actually launch pages under Windows, it's time for a virus scan |
| 20:53.09 | Fisker | anyway anti-trust lawsuit gogo |
| 20:53.20 | Kaso | lauch pages? |
| 20:53.49 | Dagmar | You said the support links go nowhere |
| 20:53.57 | malreth | i was certain that Apple would have an app store for OS X desktop before MS |
| 20:54.27 | Dagmar | malreth: LOYAL Apple customers DO have access, because they bought an iPhone, and probably an iPad as well |
| 20:54.28 | Kaso | oh, no its just that when the login times out i get a green URL telling me to check here for more information |
| 20:54.41 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 20:54.44 | Kaso | and on blizzards website its not a valid support article |
| 20:54.49 | Kaso | but its always been like that |
| 20:54.56 | Dagmar | I'd still scan |
| 20:55.03 | Kaso | http://eu.blizzard.com/support/index.xml?locale=en_GB&gameId=11&rootCategoryId=2100 |
| 20:55.07 | Dagmar | 'cuz I'm logged in waiting on an Ahune queue right now |
| 20:55.15 | Kaso | im scanning now |
| 20:55.18 | Dagmar | Oh... I'm on US servers tho |
| 20:55.20 | cog|work | Shirik_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3144604/stdvectortiterator-it-doesnt-compile |
| 20:55.30 | cog|work | wonder where i got that link from... |
| 20:55.32 | Kaso | i know eu servers are up, so theres something amiss with my windows |
| 20:55.47 | Fisker | i want 3.3.5 nao |
| 20:55.57 | Fisker | btw cog|work |
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| 20:56.22 | Fisker | what do you know about Warden 2.0 next generation on a horse on a boat on a plane-edition? |
| 20:56.41 | Zyn | in about an hour Fisker , you shall have your wish |
| 20:56.57 | Fisker | yeah i can see it now |
| 20:57.02 | Fisker | *patches 3.3.5* |
| 20:57.02 | cog|work | i know as much as what's in between these two brackets: <> |
| 20:57.06 | Fisker | *wakes up tomorrow* |
| 20:57.13 | Fisker | Patch 3.3.5 Delayed by a week in EU |
| 20:57.16 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 20:57.16 | Dagmar | Fisker: It audits your netsex chats and informs your parents if they're distasteful |
| 20:58.00 | Fisker | i heard it also monitors my physical condition and adjusts the gaming experience appropiately |
| 20:59.53 | Fisker | btw Dagmar |
| 21:00.04 | Fisker | i had a nice chat about Warden earlier today |
| 21:00.23 | Fisker | some people said that warden was spyware |
| 21:00.50 | Fisker | Then i showed them the very first Terms of Service clearly stating they could and would monitor your memory, etc. for checking cheats |
| 21:00.57 | Fisker | which was apparently not true! |
| 21:01.37 | Fisker | i love it when people forms uneducated opinions from wowinsider's fabulous journalist staff |
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| 21:02.52 | Fisker | Now, do i have to download the whole game and millions of patches again? Or can I save my wow folder and copy it to the new cpu? |
| 21:02.53 | Fisker | nooooooooooo |
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| 21:03.10 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://www.seagate.com/3tb/ |
| 21:03.19 | Fisker | old sylvaan |
| 21:03.21 | Fisker | grr |
| 21:03.23 | Fisker | sylvanaar_atwork * |
| 21:03.27 | NightHawkTheSane | http://blog.wekeroad.com/2010/06/28/ruby-and-csharp-walk-into-a-bar |
| 21:04.04 | sylvanaar_atwork | sounds hot |
| 21:04.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | "Steam Donkey" |
| 21:05.50 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhX1MW-xijI <-why didn't they make this years ago? |
| 21:06.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | i invented it 10 years ago |
| 21:06.41 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: One thing is for sure. The author of the blog post is gay |
| 21:06.43 | nicoli_s | NightHawkTheSane:that link is just a little too nerdy i think |
| 21:06.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | Dagmar: yeah i totally got the gay vibe |
| 21:07.10 | Dagmar | There's a bit more than mere admiration going on there |
| 21:08.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | i wonder what sex with Ruby is like |
| 21:09.27 | NightHawkTheSane | terse and confusing? |
| 21:09.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | |sex| |
| 21:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | alternately: a one liner. |
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| 21:10.58 | malreth | python would want sex in only one position |
| 21:11.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | rofl |
| 21:11.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | C# has the expando-object |
| 21:13.04 | Fisker | i came sylvanaar_atwork |
| 21:13.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~Fisker |
| 21:13.20 | purl | somebody said fisker was like, the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll, |
| 21:13.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~emulate Fisker |
| 21:13.32 | purl | somebody said emulate fisker was "<reply> OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM" |
| 21:13.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | there we go |
| 21:13.40 | malreth | lol |
| 21:13.45 | Fisker | too late sylvanaar_atwork |
| 21:14.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | so you think sex with Lua is different than sex with Python or Ruby? |
| 21:15.18 | Dewin | Well, one takes you to the moon, one just gives you lots of expensive jewelry, and one, well, that's not a kink I'm interested in. |
| 21:15.31 | malreth | sex with Lua is great but it never wants to wear a condom... too much extra bloat |
| 21:15.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 21:15.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | or "I can make my own, why should i use a premade one" |
| 21:16.16 | malreth | and it has a startling preference for doing it on top of tables |
| 21:18.34 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: yeah, but tables are hot, so thats kind of okay |
| 21:19.17 | Dagmar | malreth: Apparently I'm dating python |
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| 21:20.59 | malreth | Dagmar: tell her what you want. you don't have to take that lying down. |
| 21:21.08 | malreth | o_o |
| 21:21.09 | Gnarfoz | sssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 21:21.46 | malreth | good night, everybody! i'll be here all week. |
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| 21:25.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 21:27.53 | nicoli_s | goddamnit its so hot! |
| 21:30.18 | NightHawkTheSane | is rather chilly |
| 21:30.41 | nicoli_s | its like 85+ in our office atm :( |
| 21:32.48 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 21:32.52 | NightHawkTheSane | move somewhere colder. |
| 21:33.27 | nicoli_s | wish we could, apparently it getting up to 90 degrees inside isnt a legal reason to break a lease |
| 21:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i meant geographically. :P |
| 21:35.17 | Gnarfoz | yeah, somewhere where they use a sane temperature scale |
| 21:35.29 | NightHawkTheSane | what, like canada? |
| 21:35.42 | Gnarfoz | anywhere you like |
| 21:36.02 | Gnarfoz | but at 90 degrees, water is nearly boiling. ;p |
| 21:36.42 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont think changing the numbers is going to make it cooler, though ;) |
| 21:36.50 | Gnarfoz | you never know! |
| 21:37.28 | NightHawkTheSane | true! I could be off. i mean, I haven't taken physics in a long time |
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| 21:41.01 | Blia | hi |
| 21:42.19 | Blia | i am a "wow addon newbie developer" but i noticed that some addons were made with Ace3. Does it really make development easier ? |
| 21:43.28 | Fisker | give patch 3.3.5 already Gnarfoz |
| 21:43.57 | [1]MoonWitch | Blia, it depends on which type of addon you want to build |
| 21:44.02 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: give time to play wow already |
| 21:44.16 | [1]MoonWitch | if it's a complex one, then perhaps yes, you're better off with a framework |
| 21:44.41 | [1]MoonWitch | but for some addons the framework will cause more "heaviness" than the actual addon |
| 21:44.54 | Blia | hmm, i see; |
| 21:50.04 | cog|work | Blia: a library is only valuable if it saves you work. If you only need a simple slash command with a few options, AceConsole would be overkill. |
| 21:50.40 | Fisker | no Gnarfoz |
| 21:50.52 | Fisker | why haven't anyone put up the 3.3.5 patch for download yet? |
| 21:51.26 | Gnarfoz | because you suck at english |
| 21:51.39 | NightHawkTheSane | because blizzard hates you, Fisker |
| 21:51.41 | Blia | well, i just noticed Questhelper and Handynotes feature ACE3. And I checked their code out to see how their authors made their options windows nice sub-categories.. (the ligher frames for checkbuttons..) |
| 21:52.05 | Blia | it seems they both use Ace3 and no xml file (mostly lua ones) |
| 21:52.15 | cog|work | huge addons like questhelper are the kinds of things that benefit greatly from frameworks |
| 21:52.15 | Blia | so that doesn't help me much ;) |
| 21:52.53 | Fisker | i fucked you up Gnarfoz |
| 21:53.17 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: baby... I'm pregnant >:O |
| 21:53.23 | Fisker | awesome |
| 21:53.28 | Fisker | give me patch 33.3..33.3.3.3.33.5 |
| 21:55.20 | Fisker | will you provide me with it Gnarfoz ? |
| 21:56.22 | Shirik_ | 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 and |
| 21:56.24 | Shirik_ | all systems go |
| 21:56.39 | NightHawkTheSane | flips up the little window and mashes the abort switch |
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| 22:02.38 | NightHawkTheSane | "Taco" has of late taken on a sexual connotation. When referring to the Tex-Mex food dish, instead use "Hot, Meat-Filled Tortilla Vagina." |
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| 22:09.25 | JRowe | test |
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| 22:12.42 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: s/little window/molly guard/ ;p |
| 22:13.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: is that what it's called? |
| 22:13.18 | Gnarfoz | <Teal'c>indeed</Teal'c> |
| 22:14.02 | NightHawkTheSane | neat. |
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| 22:15.12 | airtonix | Dagmar, |
| 22:15.39 | airtonix | or durcyn or Arrowmaster |
| 22:15.48 | airtonix | are you familiar with : GetObject("winmgmts:\\\\" + host + "\\root\\cimv2") |
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| 22:24.31 | airtonix | goddammit fisker |
| 22:28.13 | airtonix | fisker |
| 22:30.35 | Dagmar | airtonix: Never hoid of it |
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| 22:30.53 | taroven | haste: Ping. |
| 22:31.07 | haste | taroven: pong |
| 22:31.11 | airtonix | dagmar i'm using it to do a software audit of either local or remote windows machines |
| 22:31.28 | Blia | bye |
| 22:32.05 | taroven | haste: Having a lot of trouble converting my oUF layout to 1.4... what's up with PostCreateIcon? It's not recognizing button.parent/icon/count/cd. |
| 22:32.07 | airtonix | Dagmar, i was hoping that you were aware of any similar RPC frameworks for linux |
| 22:32.27 | Dagmar | airtonix: From what I see on Google, nothing like that exists aside from udev |
| 22:32.34 | Dagmar | ...and it doesn't do remote stuff |
| 22:32.51 | airtonix | Dagmar, so i'd need to make a python server to field remote calls ? |
| 22:32.58 | Dagmar | The good news is that you can spawn whatever the hell you like over ssh |
| 22:33.16 | taroven | haste: I can see in aura.lua that the fields should be accessible, but they're most definitely not. -.- |
| 22:33.22 | airtonix | hah! you mean if is do : ssh user@host <command> |
| 22:33.37 | Dagmar | Very likely you'd have to write a server, and then deploy it, and then pray you didn't leave any holes in the security of it |
| 22:33.44 | haste | taroven: how is your function defined? |
| 22:33.51 | Dagmar | airtonix: Yeah basically |
| 22:34.09 | airtonix | Dagmar, i thought that was a fire and forget thing... no stdout returned from remote machine |
| 22:34.16 | Dagmar | Umm.. No. |
| 22:34.22 | Dagmar | You get output back |
| 22:34.30 | airtonix | oh then it closes the connection? |
| 22:34.42 | taroven | haste: ...without self. lol. Fixing now. |
| 22:35.18 | Dagmar | airtonix: yes. Basically when you run a command like that over ssh, it's your shell |
| 22:35.28 | Dagmar | Well, as much a shell as whatever you just ran can be |
| 22:35.42 | airtonix | Dagmar, have you had to do software audits on linux machines ? |
| 22:35.46 | Dagmar | If you fire off ssh dagmar@1.1.1.1 ls you'll get the output of ls from the homedir |
| 22:35.52 | Dagmar | God yes |
| 22:36.06 | airtonix | how do you do it ? have it scripted for remoteness ? |
| 22:36.07 | Dagmar | I used to have a perl obscenity that ran on a screwball sysfork() call I wrote |
| 22:36.41 | Dagmar | Call sysfork() with optional credentials, and it behaved like a fork(), except it was instantating itself on the remote machine |
| 22:36.42 | airtonix | obviouslly you query the package manager... but i can see there might be other places to scan |
| 22:37.10 | Dagmar | A little heavy-handed since you can just run command after command that way, but I had latency issues to consider |
| 22:38.27 | Dagmar | Well, you query the package manager if you're interested in the packages... |
| 22:38.46 | Dagmar | I had a slew of things going on to check filesystem sanity and permissions correctness |
| 22:38.55 | airtonix | yes |
| 22:39.23 | Dagmar | Mainly it was the only way I could hope to even try to keep the code out of the hands of the customers |
| 22:39.48 | Dagmar | Not a perfect solution, but it at least prevented someone from stealing the tech in under five minutes |
| 22:41.11 | Dagmar | Tip: You'll want to use ssh keyfiles. Easier than trying to pass a password to ssh from not-a-terminal |
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| 22:41.50 | Dagmar | Linux traditionally has followed the "an admin does it" model for that sort of thing |
| 22:42.02 | Dagmar | ...cuz linux boxes don't really like to trust one another |
| 22:42.33 | Dagmar | I know of only two attempts made at doing as network registry kind of thing under Linux, and both of those were pre-2000 |
| 22:42.37 | A-KO | Mr. A, 37 years old, used ecstasy between the ages of 21 and 30. For the first 2 years, he took 5 tablets every weekend, escalating to an average daily use of 3.5 tablets for the next 3 years, and further escalation to an average of 25 tablets daily over the next 4 years. An estimate of lifetime consumption yielded a total intake of more than 40,000 tablets |
| 22:43.18 | Dagmar | A-Ko: Mr. A is either lying or can't hold a soda can for more than five minutes without it exploding |
| 22:43.34 | Dagmar | You don't take that much MDMA on a regular basis without turning your synapses into dried brush |
| 22:44.20 | Dagmar | 25 tablets a day, hell 25 tablets at ALL (average dose) would leave you capable of drooling and smiling and saying "I love BT sooooo much" |
| 22:44.21 | nicoli_s | mdma what? |
| 22:44.31 | A-KO | Dagmar |
| 22:44.31 | A-KO | http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/47/1/86 |
| 22:44.58 | Dagmar | A-KO: http://dagmar.was.a.freaking.raver.and.knows.about.those.drugs |
| 22:45.29 | airtonix | Dagmar, yeah i already use ssh keys for certain hosts i use frequently |
| 22:45.41 | nicoli_s | of course the article blames the cannabis! |
| 22:45.54 | Dagmar | As an example, I met a guy at Interstellar Outback who will remain nameless... He had the shakes and showed visibile signs of schizophrenia and ADHD while sober |
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| 22:46.14 | airtonix | nicoli_s, it's a insidious plan to limit communal shamanism |
| 22:46.29 | Dagmar | After doing a couple of lines, three hits of acid, two rolls (E, or MDMA tabs) and a little vodka (go figure) he was *fine* |
| 22:46.44 | airtonix | normalised |
| 22:46.53 | Dagmar | Now, imagine what a complete wreck someone would be if they'd boosted themselves up THAT MUCH all the time |
| 22:46.54 | nicoli_s | heh, i knew people exactly like that dagmar |
| 22:47.03 | nicoli_s | he would always mention how long its been since hes been fucked up |
| 22:47.21 | nicoli_s | as if like ever second he wasnt fucked up was horrible |
| 22:48.15 | Dagmar | Chemical dependency is a *bitch*, and 25 tabs a day would pretty much ruin someone with alacrity |
| 22:48.41 | Dagmar | So, he was either lying about his dosage, or had the WORST dealer ever |
| 22:49.01 | nicoli_s | i just never understood it, i got tired of the overwhelmingness of it all after a while |
| 22:49.10 | nicoli_s | but shit fucking that many a day, crazy |
| 22:49.29 | Dagmar | nicoli: I'd say the bigger problem that doctor faced was that there's no actual testing allowed on any of that stuff, so he had no idea what the patient was really telling him |
| 22:50.22 | Dagmar | IF you told a raver you'd just taken 25 rolls, they'd probably ask if they could lick you |
| 22:50.37 | nicoli_s | lol |
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| 22:50.45 | nicoli_s | i did know people whod take up to a dozen at a time though |
| 22:50.46 | Dagmar | ...and you'd say "Bwwaaaaaaaahehehehe" |
| 22:52.38 | frontendloader | for shortening macros can't you do local l=local; and then declare using l? |
| 22:53.30 | airtonix | desktop path of the current user in windows has a shortcut doesn't it ? |
| 22:53.37 | airtonix | like $DESKTOP ? |
| 22:53.46 | Gnarfoz | airtonix: %userprofile%\Desktop ? |
| 22:53.52 | airtonix | cheers |
| 22:53.57 | Gnarfoz | guessing here |
| 22:53.57 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz++ |
| 22:54.13 | Gnarfoz | (or something like it, at least up to XP, there was no direct link to the desktop) |
| 22:54.15 | airtonix | heres hoping jscript fso understands it |
| 22:54.21 | Dagmar | Not sure about the specific name, but the %'s are right and I know there's one for that |
| 22:54.39 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that actually works, probably a suppresed memory. |
| 22:54.45 | Dagmar | heh |
| 22:55.07 | cog|work | Shirik_: QQ you made me hit the rep cap |
| 22:55.34 | Dagmar | cog: Time to post on the forums that Blizzard is making you waste rep now |
| 22:56.39 | cog|work | lulz... i never care about wow rep... |
| 22:57.12 | Dagmar | I <3 wow rep |
| 22:57.17 | cog|work | only reason i'm exalted with more than one or two factions is becaues i enjoyed the argent tournament... |
| 22:57.28 | Dagmar | All the dodgy ones give you plenty of warning before you screw yourself |
| 22:57.39 | Dagmar | I remember EQ rep. |
| 22:57.40 | cog|work | and i accidentally got a couple on random dungeon binges |
| 22:58.05 | Dagmar | Irritate the wrong bitch twice, and later you'll be running through the commonlands, and some crazy woman will come rushing out of her hut to kick your ass |
| 23:00.23 | Jerub | 79! |
| 23:00.49 | cog|work | Dagmar: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&cn=Cogwheel&gn=Grounding+Totem |
| 23:00.54 | Thunder_Child | this seems to me like a poor way to do a url http://www.calif.aaa.com/en-ca/Pages/Home.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/index.aspx |
| 23:01.14 | Jerub | also, when tanking at level 78 in the ahune event. the follow things went wrong: |
| 23:01.18 | batrick | zzz |
| 23:01.28 | Dagmar | You tried to rush up on Ahune? |
| 23:02.05 | Jerub | 1) dps didn't switch targets to the core. 2) healer oom before first submerge. 3) healer d/c. 4) epic low dps. |
| 23:02.14 | Jerub | the following thing didn't go wrong: |
| 23:02.21 | Jerub | 1) tank being undergeared cause a problem. |
| 23:02.36 | Kalroth | 2) most of the raid was in the correct instance |
| 23:02.43 | Jerub | oh, and 5) healer was specced ret and forgot to switch gear and spec. |
| 23:02.52 | airtonix | :( wsh tells me access denied to the desktop shortcut |
| 23:03.33 | Dagmar | cog: You should keep jousting for Exodar. The tournament gimp is handy |
| 23:03.49 | airtonix | Microsoft JScript runtime error: Permission denied. |
| 23:04.00 | cog|work | Dagmar: i haven't really played in a few months |
| 23:04.02 | Dagmar | Jerub: The tank could be pretty damn undergeared there. It's not a heroic instance |
| 23:04.30 | cog|work | burnt out again after getting 2 of my alts to 80 |
| 23:04.31 | Dagmar | I was using demon form and hellfire for a bit there on my 78 warlock earlier |
| 23:04.40 | cog|work | (the first time i've had more than one max level character since 60) |
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| 23:05.07 | Dagmar | I'm about to hit my third 80, but I do understand the hesitance in going back to old toons and travelig the same old roads again |
| 23:05.22 | Jerub | this is my 3rd 80. |
| 23:05.29 | Dagmar | At least this time I'm actually doing Zul'Drak and I skipped it on the other two toons |
| 23:05.35 | Jerub | i'm levelling my alts in instances at the speed of rested xp |
| 23:05.49 | cog|work | cogwheel didn't do BT, GH, or Sholazar |
| 23:05.56 | Dagmar | My DK got all of 78-79 at the TOurnament because I'm lazy like that |
| 23:05.59 | cog|work | so there was a lot of new stuff for my rogue |
| 23:06.19 | cog|work | and D/K |
| 23:06.21 | Dagmar | My hunter of course did Sholazar |
| 23:06.36 | Dagmar | Gotta see my old pal Nesingwart |
| 23:06.40 | Dagmar | er Nesingwary |
| 23:06.53 | Jerub | it turns out the rare elite i found in grizzly hills i should've sold the location of to a BM hunter |
| 23:07.06 | Dagmar | I liked the Dranei. "Why does everyone keep looking at me?" |
| 23:07.06 | cog|work | Dagmar: cogwheel wasn't welcome |
| 23:07.16 | Dagmar | Wasn't welcome? How so? |
| 23:07.32 | Dagmar | Worried those DEHTA hippies might find you? |
| 23:08.25 | cog|work | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/Sprockets%20vs.%20Cogs.jpg |
| 23:08.34 | cog|work | Dagmar: ^ |
| 23:08.42 | Dagmar | Jerub: Of course, if you couldn't guarantee the spawn would still be there, the hunter would hate you forever for being such a tease |
| 23:09.22 | Jerub | Dagmar: 0 loss for me. it didn't even count towards frostbitten |
| 23:09.33 | Dagmar | cog: Must be an engineering thing. |
| 23:10.42 | Dagmar | Jerub: GOod. Anything that encourages people to eff with a hunter's taming attempt is the spawn of satan |
| 23:10.52 | cog|work | gnome thing |
| 23:10.59 | Dagmar | Seriously> |
| 23:11.03 | Dagmar | Good thing I don't have any gnomes |
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| 23:12.56 | Dagmar | If I had my way, messing with a hunter taming a spirit beast would result in the attacker being flagged PvPFFA |
| 23:14.32 | cog|work | Dagmar: zootfizzle was the blue on the UI&M forum after Slouken left. we had a silly rivalry going between the cog & sprocket factions |
| 23:15.05 | Thunder_Child | that fight became vicous |
| 23:15.27 | Dagmar | Ahhh... |
| 23:15.28 | Thunder_Child | cicious* |
| 23:15.32 | Thunder_Child | vicious* |
| 23:15.46 | Dagmar | cog: I'm in about the same place due to my aversion to faction grinds http://www.wowarmory.com/character-reputation.xml?r=Skywall&cn=Eshk |
| 23:16.10 | Dagmar | Until the tournament came along, if I'd needed rep to buy a dwarf mount, my own people would've told me to up and walk |
| 23:16.31 | Thunder_Child | granted, cog won because zoot went crazy |
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| 23:16.36 | Dagmar | After, I just bought a pile of mounts to give GoGoMount something to play with |
| 23:16.57 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: it's the inevitable destination for all blues =( |
| 23:16.58 | Dagmar | Argh, speaking of which I need to buy a PvP mount and SOON |
| 23:17.03 | Dagmar | I didn't know there was an honor cap |
| 23:17.07 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: agreed |
| 23:17.29 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: which just goes to show that the ones that hang around were already crazy |
| 23:17.32 | Dagmar | If I was informed correctly, one more WG escapade and I'll be capped |
| 23:18.43 | Thunder_Child | 75K |
| 23:18.54 | Thunder_Child | is the cap |
| 23:18.57 | Dagmar | YEah, I'm over 71k now |
| 23:19.13 | Dagmar | I like the cannons on the blimp a little too much |
| 23:20.51 | Dagmar | Got a pile the last time I was in WG just screwing around with the Glyph of the Huntard |
| 23:21.34 | Dagmar | Seems to be the only place that glyph doesn't suck |
| 23:21.44 | Thunder_Child | rated bg's can not come fast enough |
| 23:21.51 | Dagmar | Clothies shouldn't ignore hunter pets. :) |
| 23:22.01 | Dagmar | We are not all SV/MM |
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| 23:54.53 | frontendloader | does GetPlayerMapPosition normally return two values <1 |
| 23:55.19 | frontendloader | I thought that most map coords were >1, do addons normally multiply by 100 then? |
| 23:55.50 | Gnarfoz | !api GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 23:55.50 | lua_bot | GetPlayerMapPosition: Returns the position of the player's corpse on the world map (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPlayerMapPosition) |
| 23:58.07 | frontendloader | not sure what you're trying to say there outside of "lol triggers" |
| 23:58.34 | frontendloader | I feel like I'm oprimaing el numero cuatro para espanol right now |
| 23:59.07 | Gnarfoz | the page says that the return values are between 0 and 1, is what I'm trying to say |
