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| 00:08.44 | Iriel | I've got blisters on me fingers! |
| 00:10.56 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:10.58 | Shirik | typing too fast? |
| 00:11.23 | Iriel | Drumsticks without any recent practice |
| 00:11.46 | Iriel | I wonder if i'm holding them wrong |
| 00:12.03 | Shirik | ha |
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| 00:41.39 | musquer | hello |
| 00:42.26 | Lopeppeppy | evening |
| 00:43.02 | musquer | umm, is this somekind of addon / ui channel ? : P |
| 00:43.20 | Lopeppeppy | It's very some kind of UI/addon channel. :) |
| 00:43.20 | Shirik | you could say that |
| 00:43.29 | Shirik | hi Lopeppeppy |
| 00:43.49 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, handsome. |
| 00:43.55 | Shirik | !! |
| 00:44.01 | musquer | okay, could you guys / girls tell me, why im getting errors from prat and chatter? |
| 00:44.08 | Dagmar | Bugs. |
| 00:44.10 | musquer | y |
| 00:44.12 | Lopeppeppy | Did you update after the patch? |
| 00:44.15 | musquer | yep |
| 00:44.18 | musquer | twice |
| 00:44.24 | musquer | reinstalled and updated |
| 00:44.29 | musquer | still causing bugs |
| 00:44.30 | Lopeppeppy | Did you update ALL of your addons after the patch? |
| 00:44.38 | ZorbaGama | is prat working fully? I should update it again |
| 00:44.49 | musquer | yep lope |
| 00:44.56 | musquer | using curse cleint |
| 00:45.00 | musquer | client* |
| 00:45.01 | Lopeppeppy | Do you get the errors with no addons installed? |
| 00:45.12 | Lopeppeppy | asks the routine suspect questions. |
| 00:45.12 | musquer | nope |
| 00:45.25 | Lopeppeppy | Do you get the errors with just ONE enabled? |
| 00:45.35 | musquer | only chat addons |
| 00:45.39 | musquer | others dont cause any problems |
| 00:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | That's not the answer to my question, musquer. :) |
| 00:46.02 | musquer | no |
| 00:46.02 | musquer | : P |
| 00:46.08 | Lopeppeppy | My question is to isolate which one is doing it, or if it's some combination of addons causing the issue. |
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| 00:46.30 | Dagmar | So... load only Prat and nothing else, then load only Chatter and nothing else. |
| 00:46.51 | Lopeppeppy | If you don't get the error with only one enabled, it could be a conflict between two (or more) addons, rather than any single addon. You have to enable only one, to see. And then enable only one other, to see if it conflicts... etc. |
| 00:47.01 | Lopeppeppy | Drilling down what causes conflict isn't easy at all. |
| 00:48.15 | miica | lol i tried to sent data with sendaddonmessage lenght was like 2000 and i got instant dc :D |
| 00:48.30 | miica | looks like i need to make somekind timer in it :D |
| 00:48.34 | Lopeppeppy | Well, that's gonna hurt. |
| 00:48.38 | Iriel | miica: or use acecomm |
| 00:48.46 | Iriel | miica: etc |
| 00:49.05 | Dagmar | If you use acecomm and exceed flood thresholds then you can blame acecomm. :) |
| 00:50.04 | miica | wasnt even 2000 :D |
| 00:50.10 | miica | only 1800 |
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| 01:00.18 | Dewin | I want my chat windows to behave *whine* |
| 01:00.36 | Dagmar | So beat them when they act up |
| 01:01.08 | miica | what kinda time there should be between those messages :D |
| 01:02.01 | Dewin | Couretesy of 3.3.5 adding the new scroll area off to the side (that I don't even want), I can't get them to stick to the sides of the screen -- they get pushed back in every login/reloadui |
| 01:02.20 | Dewin | I'm debating on going source diving to see if I can write a tiny addon to stop it |
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| 01:10.09 | Dewin | That is... if I can figure out how to get at the current FrameXML. |
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| 01:18.46 | alestane | Where are you running into trouble? |
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| 01:35.04 | Shirik | "If the product should become defective within 90 days of purchase while under normal use, service, and proper operation, you may ship the product to the manufacturer for repair or replacement" |
| 01:35.10 | Shirik | It's a fricking floor mat |
| 01:35.15 | Shirik | what the hell is going to happen to it |
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| 01:39.03 | miica | http://pastebin.com/pems7r3B |
| 01:39.08 | miica | some reason it dont split that msg |
| 01:39.13 | miica | i only see end of it? |
| 01:39.18 | miica | or is limit "print()" |
| 01:41.13 | miica | nope i only get 192 out of 440 :( |
| 01:43.13 | Arrowmaster | damnit, season 5 of doctor who has me so conflicted |
| 01:44.00 | Arrowmaster | its great but there are so many damn plot holes all over the damn place that previous seasons didnt have |
| 01:45.07 | miica | AceComm sucks |
| 01:45.38 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Yah, it's hackish |
| 01:49.58 | Dagmar | It's a freaking show where TIME TRAVEL figures in prominently. |
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| 01:50.04 | Dagmar | There are no such things as "plot holes". |
| 01:50.13 | Dagmar | ...there are only "bits to be filled in later". |
| 01:52.24 | Arrowmaster | plot hole, in the first episode with weeping angels they always covered their faces because if they even looked at each other they would be stuck in matter lock, season 5 episode with weeping angels only one of them ever covered its face, the very first one |
| 01:52.26 | Iriel | Shirik: it could split or peel or crack or fade or spontaneously combust or become rabid |
| 01:53.17 | Arrowmaster | plot hole, in episode 12 how did all his enemies know about what was going to happen or how did they even get there to that time to do that |
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| 01:55.13 | Arrowmaster | plot hole, back in season one there was an episode that involved characters seeing themselves and changing the past, very very bad things happened, in season 5 episode 13 its done countless times with no repercussions |
| 01:55.20 | Dagmar | blah blah blah |
| 01:55.43 | Dagmar | No need for angels to cover their eyes when they're all focused on looking at prey |
| 01:56.08 | Dagmar | "Civilizations other than earth have research industries, too" |
| 01:56.23 | Jamash | argh spoilers |
| 01:56.30 | Dagmar | ...and "Children forget lots of things" |
| 01:56.40 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: im trying to avoid them |
| 01:57.01 | Jamash | I have seen, uh, one episode of the current season |
| 01:57.04 | Jamash | because I am lame |
| 01:57.10 | Dagmar | ...coupled with "Universe is shutting down anyway, causality can take a little time off" |
| 01:57.11 | Arrowmaster | yes you are |
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| 01:59.10 | miica | dont get why that acecomm dont split that message :/ |
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| 02:00.10 | Arrowmaster | miica: it should have |
| 02:00.25 | Arrowmaster | print does have some limits i think on length |
| 02:00.35 | miica | well it sends it and i get it back but still :o |
| 02:00.44 | Arrowmaster | why not just print string.length() of the message |
| 02:00.51 | miica | well i checked arg2 lenght and it isnt same when i sended it |
| 02:00.55 | Arrowmaster | or is it just string.len() |
| 02:01.00 | miica | string.len |
| 02:02.00 | Arrowmaster | maybe its how you are using it since youre using acecomm directly instead of embedding it in an object like an aceaddon object |
| 02:02.26 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Episode 13, if the Doctor has to give Rory his sonic screwdriver to free himself, how the hell did that happen initially? |
| 02:02.42 | miica | Arrowmaster: tried it as aceaddon too |
| 02:03.05 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: that one ill accept because the 'timey whimey' explanation is awesome |
| 02:04.59 | Dagmar | Torhal: Watch it again |
| 02:05.06 | ReAn | there any gatherer-type mods for wotlk? |
| 02:05.45 | haste | gathermate? |
| 02:05.54 | Dagmar | Maybe it'll help if you pretend you're the screwdriver |
| 02:05.56 | haste | and doesn't gatherer still exist? |
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| 02:09.34 | Iriel | I use gatherer today, so either it still exists or I'm part of a mass hallucination |
| 02:10.54 | miica | meeh so sad |
| 02:10.58 | miica | cant send evilmessages |
| 02:11.18 | Dagmar | Sure you can. |
| 02:11.26 | Dagmar | Just offer gold at really low prices. |
| 02:11.33 | miica | :D |
| 02:11.47 | miica | btw anybody intrested 10k 20e :D |
| 02:11.55 | Dagmar | ...although it might be hard for people to notice you in the veritably SCROLLFEST OF SPAM trade is turning into |
| 02:12.17 | Dagmar | I queued for Ahune probably 25 times yesterday, about half as as solo tank. |
| 02:12.29 | Dagmar | Almost every damn time I landed back in Stormwind there was a new spammer to report |
| 02:13.08 | miica | asked in wowace but nobody there :/ |
| 02:14.02 | Dagmar | You can also post your Realm First achievement for level 80 blood elf |
| 02:14.16 | miica | :( |
| 02:14.26 | Dagmar | ...or you know, level 80 dranei. |
| 02:14.37 | miica | i wanted pokemon achievement but there wasnt any :< |
| 02:14.40 | Dagmar | I'm fond of level 80 troll. |
| 02:15.23 | Dagmar | Yeah this one time I wish the client were a little less careful about checking to be sure the achievement name matches a known achievement string |
| 02:15.59 | miica | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2302354/pantesaurinhood.png |
| 02:19.07 | miica | lol now i think :D |
| 02:19.20 | Slackwise | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLd-z5s8Wew |
| 02:19.21 | miica | i think i took 3.3.5 edit ace3 :D |
| 02:21.50 | miica | took older but still no.. |
| 02:22.19 | ZorbaGama | dagmar, why did you queue for ahune so many times? |
| 02:23.36 | Dagmar | ZorbaGama: Because that damn tanking cloak wouldn't drop |
| 02:23.44 | ZorbaGama | ah |
| 02:24.02 | Dagmar | I was in Stormwind probably less than 30s each time I queued as tank... still saw spam |
| 02:24.07 | ZorbaGama | I've gotten both of my cloaks now, but no pet :( |
| 02:24.26 | Dagmar | I have, um, pretty much everything but the scythe. |
| 02:24.33 | Dagmar | ...including the novelty enchant. |
| 02:24.41 | ZorbaGama | angry shaking of fist |
| 02:24.44 | Dagmar | Three cloaks. |
| 02:25.08 | Dagmar | I don't even know for sure what the one with expertise on it is for, other than maybe pvp |
| 02:26.19 | Dagmar | Shake yer fist all you like. I ran the damn thing enough times to get all those for sure |
| 02:27.01 | ZorbaGama | I'm shaking my fist at the pet, which comes from the bag, which is a one-time-per-day thing |
| 02:27.04 | ZorbaGama | unless you're missing that one |
| 02:27.33 | Dagmar | No, I got that one |
| 02:27.43 | Iriel | I had some jackass paladin take the AGI cloak |
| 02:27.47 | Dagmar | yesterday was the day I really "dug my teeth into the instance" |
| 02:28.05 | Dagmar | My hunter doesn't have the scythe, but my DK does |
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| 02:35.34 | Jamash | can dk's wield staves? |
| 02:37.46 | Dagmar | I suppose so. |
| 02:37.55 | Dagmar | I didn't even look at what it was. |
| 02:38.15 | Dagmar | Equipped, spun around the maypole for awhile with it, tossed it in the bank |
| 02:40.54 | tem | Jamash, DKs cannot wear staves |
| 02:41.04 | tem | I got the scythe from Ahune today and had to vendor it |
| 02:41.35 | tem | unless I can buy Scythe skill somehwere? |
| 02:41.36 | tem | shit. |
| 02:42.08 | tem | DKs cannot equip Staves. |
| 02:44.20 | Dagmar | Musta been playing with the one on my hunter then |
| 02:44.42 | miica | it dont give errors or anything |
| 02:44.51 | Dagmar | It's a level 70 item. At 80 you pretty much stop looking once you see that. |
| 02:46.01 | Jamash | no it isn't |
| 02:46.14 | Jamash | not this year anyway |
| 02:46.26 | Jamash | level 80, ilvl 232 |
| 02:48.41 | Dagmar | Go get Marrowstrike and tell me if that scythe is anything more to you than a shiny bent stick |
| 02:50.23 | Arrowmaster | that felt good |
| 02:50.32 | Arrowmaster | just stuck his head in the freezer |
| 02:50.55 | Jamash | frostscythe looks better |
| 02:51.03 | Slackwise | BUt is it as cool as.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLd-z5s8Wew |
| 02:51.18 | Dagmar | Jamash: Not when you've put Massacre on it |
| 02:59.00 | Jamash | why would you put massacre on the frostscythe, though? |
| 03:00.00 | tem | Dagmar, marrowstrike is bad for DKs |
| 03:00.34 | Dagmar | Yeah but it's good for hunters |
| 03:00.42 | Jamash | ok: best-looking weapon in the game - GO |
| 03:00.51 | Jamash | thunderfury is ineligible |
| 03:01.19 | Dagmar | [Slimy Bone] |
| 03:03.48 | tem | Corrupted Ashbringer |
| 03:04.24 | Jamash | good answer! |
| 03:04.43 | Jamash | too bad you can't get it anymore :( |
| 03:06.10 | Jamash | I like Black Ice |
| 03:06.27 | Iriel | Paladins rolling need against a hunter on an AGI cloak can die |
| 03:07.05 | Dagmar | Just go find a leatherworker and throw some frost orbs at him |
| 03:08.01 | Jamash | catches the frost orbs |
| 03:10.32 | Dagmar | I'm not trying to be callous, but being that you can queue up about four times an hour on that particular quest (6-7 if you know a tank or are a healer) none of the cloaks are really all that hard to get |
| 03:10.40 | Dagmar | I was just having completely crap luck on my DK |
| 03:11.02 | Iriel | I've been pally ninja'd twice now, |
| 03:11.12 | Iriel | And a druid the 3rd |
| 03:11.22 | Dagmar | Wow. Paladins are bitches |
| 03:11.28 | Iriel | I didn't mind the druid |
| 03:11.41 | Dagmar | You'd think they'd maybe be more interested in the str/sta or int/sta cloaks |
| 03:12.21 | Dagmar | I'd be after that myself but I already got me the Recovered Scarlet Onslaught (264) drape somewhere or other |
| 03:12.26 | Jamash | they should just make str and sta one stat called buffness |
| 03:12.46 | Jamash | and make int and spirit one stat called smartness |
| 03:12.52 | Jamash | I mean str and agi |
| 03:12.53 | Dagmar | The extra 2 frost badgers per day have me ahead of schedule so now I have to figure out if I buy something else for 60 badgers, or hold out for the chest piece |
| 03:12.56 | Jamash | for buffness |
| 03:13.15 | Dagmar | s/martness/lickness/ |
| 03:13.16 | Iriel | I waited as I passed 60 |
| 03:13.57 | Dagmar | Other than ICC/Uld I'm not getting any more upgrades, so it's possible the less expensive item might be a better upgrade |
| 03:14.00 | Jamash | tell me about these frost badgers |
| 03:14.43 | Dagmar | tehy r shinee? |
| 03:15.30 | Jamash | do they bite? |
| 03:15.58 | Dagmar | So far... no. It's possible I'm using the wrong bait. |
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| 03:16.27 | miica | looks like acecomm sends my message too :D |
| 03:17.08 | miica | ttp://pastebin.com/FPjcx1HR this works :D |
| 03:17.26 | Dagmar | Next time I gotta remember to make up something convincing-sounding by using "Blizzards test chat dummy, 'Bemthree'" |
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| 03:21.27 | Jamash | huh? |
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| 03:24.01 | miica | i think i found problem :DD |
| 03:24.14 | Dagmar | Jamash: He's testing addon-stuff that was getting him throttle-faced earlier |
| 03:24.30 | batrick | anyone tell me how long i've been offline? |
| 03:24.30 | Jamash | ah |
| 03:24.36 | Dagmar | Jamash: There's nothing like a sudden dialog box saying "A GM WANTS TO TALK TO YOU, BOY" to freak people out. :) |
| 03:24.42 | Jamash | hee |
| 03:24.53 | Dagmar | It's all a matter of *when* you trick them into doing it |
| 03:25.22 | Dagmar | batrick: No idea , but there *are* channel logs somewhere or other you can check |
| 03:25.34 | Dagmar | You were offline for longer than three page-ups. :) |
| 03:30.16 | miica | http://pastebin.com/rgfUfApe |
| 03:31.10 | Wobin | I totally want to be able to Titan's Grip two staves |
| 03:31.23 | Wobin | can you imagine two Marrowstrikes? |
| 03:31.28 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 03:31.35 | Dagmar | Take two rakes, one in each hand. |
| 03:31.37 | Dagmar | Try to use them. |
| 03:31.45 | Wobin | yes yes |
| 03:31.46 | Wobin | I know |
| 03:31.48 | Wobin | reality |
| 03:31.49 | Wobin | blah blah |
| 03:31.52 | Dagmar | Be sure and use the big metal kind with long, rusty wires for brushes. |
| 03:31.53 | Dagmar | Hehe |
| 03:31.53 | Wobin | I don't care =P |
| 03:32.03 | Wobin | Titan's grip on two staves would be AWESOME |
| 03:32.07 | Dagmar | Look on the bright side... |
| 03:32.10 | Jerub | mmmmarowstrike |
| 03:32.15 | Wobin | if they could get the animation right |
| 03:32.28 | Wobin | it would be a whole lot more rotation |
| 03:32.32 | Wobin | full body |
| 03:32.35 | Dagmar | If you were able to hold one in each hand, blacksmiths could prolly make you something to stick on 'em to let you use them as **EPIC STILTS*** |
| 03:33.14 | Wobin | I'm vaugely visualising something like that chinese chain weapon |
| 03:33.28 | Jerub | this guy did a talk today |
| 03:33.29 | Jerub | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1AJ_OBJUpY |
| 03:33.54 | Wobin | Jerub: I like the music |
| 03:35.42 | Wobin | it's like a giant game of Skill Tester |
| 03:35.48 | Jerub | ;) |
| 03:36.11 | Jerub | Wobin: the grabber on the skill tester game in this case is a ton of high strength steel. |
| 03:36.45 | Wobin | are they actually using the spatial comprehension of the wiimote? |
| 03:36.48 | Wobin | Or just the buttons |
| 03:37.01 | Jerub | no, the acceleromoters in that case. |
| 03:37.20 | Jerub | Wobin: this was the day before they were tearing down the robots so they could post them to england to be installed. |
| 03:37.27 | Wobin | huh, my HHOL tank just pulled the first two groups plus the boss |
| 03:37.37 | Jerub | so someone literally ran down to harvey norman to put grab a wiimote so they could say the'd done this. |
| 03:37.51 | Jerub | Wobin: i do that when i have an icc geared healer. |
| 03:38.04 | Wobin | I guess I'm technically an ICC geared healer =P |
| 03:38.13 | Wobin | except we're only up to PP10 |
| 03:39.00 | Jerub | Wobin: god damn i hate PP |
| 03:39.10 | Wobin | Jerub: we had him down to 10k =( |
| 03:39.38 | Wobin | Sadly, I was 3rd in damage |
| 03:41.25 | Jerub | does anyone have a web service where i can pass a realm+name and get a GS? |
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| 03:45.04 | Wobin | you could probably parse: http://www.gearscoreaddon.com/GearScoreChecker/index.php?CharName=rikitikitavi&Country=US&ServerName=Nagrand |
| 03:45.22 | Wobin | but no xml output that I can see straight off |
| 03:45.26 | Jerub | wtfismygearscore.com is probably easier to do.. |
| 03:47.22 | Wobin | hm |
| 03:47.31 | Wobin | more sites need to post in xml and use xslt |
| 03:49.43 | Mikk | and speak SOAP and ummm... CORBA |
| 03:50.04 | Mikk | preferably implemented in LISP |
| 03:50.04 | Dagmar | Awesome. |
| 03:50.12 | Dagmar | Wait... wut? |
| 03:50.18 | Dagmar | You had me until you said L*SP |
| 03:50.32 | Mikk | i want to see if it will create a black hole |
| 03:50.45 | miica | i got feeling that i split my messages and use |
| 03:50.47 | miica | ChatThrottleLib.lua |
| 03:50.51 | Jerub | i was thinking REST |
| 03:50.52 | Jerub | :P |
| 03:51.00 | miica | ACECOMM SUCKS |
| 03:51.04 | Mikk | orly |
| 03:51.05 | Mikk | how so |
| 03:51.17 | Jerub | so how's that throttling of inspect going ? |
| 03:51.17 | Jerub | :P |
| 03:51.28 | miica | Mikk: it dont print everything |
| 03:51.36 | Mikk | blinks |
| 03:51.38 | Mikk | print? |
| 03:51.43 | tekkub | bets on user error |
| 03:51.51 | Mikk | is with tekkub |
| 03:51.52 | miica | Mikk: well it sends all data |
| 03:51.57 | miica | Mikk: it also gets all data |
| 03:52.17 | miica | Mikk: but when it trigs "total shit" it gives only last part :D |
| 03:52.18 | tekkub | sounds like it works perfectly then |
| 03:52.20 | miica | http://pastebin.com/rgfUfApe |
| 03:53.00 | miica | it dont print only last hmm.. |
| 03:54.11 | Mikk | i'm sorry, i'm really trying, but i'm not understanding what you're saying |
| 03:54.29 | Mikk | it dont print only last. but when it trigs "total shit" it only gives last... wut?! |
| 03:55.43 | miica | :D |
| 03:56.41 | Mikk | i should also point out that AceComm is widely used in a lot of addons |
| 03:56.53 | Mikk | so i somehow doubt it SUCKS and is "total shit" |
| 03:57.10 | Mikk | my money would be on you using it wrong :P |
| 03:57.26 | Mikk | but having said that, noone's forcing you to use it |
| 03:57.32 | ZorbaGama | mikk, I don't actually think that logic holds ;) |
| 03:57.40 | Mikk | ChatThrottleLib <- this is a very very good idea though |
| 03:58.06 | miica | well this looks like... |
| 03:59.15 | miica | Mikk: well let me link you how i use it.. |
| 04:00.03 | miica | http://pastebin.com/pems7r3B |
| 04:00.29 | miica | and i get half message only |
| 04:00.47 | miica | and checked arg2 gives only half of it so problem isnt print() |
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| 04:02.01 | miica | it is ok up to line 210 in acecomm.lua AceComm.callbacks:Fire(prefix, olddata..message, distribution, sender) |
| 04:02.16 | miica | olddata is 1st part of message which is missing |
| 04:02.22 | miica | and i only get message part |
| 04:02.34 | Mikk | mkay |
| 04:02.37 | miica | but when that Fire is trigger olddata and message is there |
| 04:02.52 | Mikk | i suspect this is because you're sending to yourself actually |
| 04:02.57 | Mikk | ill test it |
| 04:05.32 | Mikk | yeah i'm seeing the same as you, sending to myself |
| 04:05.41 | Mikk | i'll try between 2 different characters now |
| 04:07.44 | Mikk | hmmmmmmm |
| 04:07.47 | Mikk | it's not that |
| 04:08.54 | Mikk | oh |
| 04:08.55 | Mikk | wait |
| 04:08.58 | Mikk | it's your fault |
| 04:09.01 | miica | ? :D |
| 04:09.05 | Mikk | what the hell do you think "arg2" is? |
| 04:09.22 | Mikk | is it an argument to your OnEvent(...)? <- no |
| 04:09.37 | Mikk | it's just a random global variable you're reading |
| 04:10.04 | Mikk | local function OnEvent(...) |
| 04:10.05 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.16 | Mikk | try changing the function declaration to: |
| 04:10.20 | Mikk | local function OnEvent(arg1,arg2) |
| 04:10.28 | Mikk | that might work better :P |
| 04:11.34 | Mikk | mumblemumble ACECOMM SUCKS mumble |
| 04:12.00 | miica | IT SUCKS :D |
| 04:12.33 | miica | it was realy ugly :< |
| 04:16.22 | miica | i will still probably split my messages myself :) |
| 04:18.00 | Mikk | what's ugly then if i may ask? |
| 04:18.24 | Jamash | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu I just fell freewind post |
| 04:18.28 | Jamash | *off |
| 04:18.35 | miica | well i got kinda bloat feeling about it |
| 04:18.45 | miica | it needs so much wowace systems etc |
| 04:18.56 | miica | and i dont use any other ace lib |
| 04:19.10 | Arrowmaster | no youre just an idiot |
| 04:19.16 | Arrowmaster | its not bloated |
| 04:19.26 | Mikk | eh, AceComm requires zero other Ace libs |
| 04:19.41 | Mikk | well ok, CallbackHandler |
| 04:20.26 | Mikk | which will be in your system anyway |
| 04:21.02 | sylvanaar | didnt you just say it sucks Mikk? |
| 04:21.10 | Mikk | no, i was quoting miica |
| 04:21.13 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 04:22.08 | miica | Mikk: no it sint in my system :D |
| 04:22.23 | miica | it use 80kb and it dont realy do anything yet |
| 04:23.10 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 04:23.16 | Mikk | i really cannot be arsed to explain the benefits of using shared code |
| 04:23.27 | Mikk | just please please please use ChatThrottleLib |
| 04:23.50 | Mikk | randomly disconnecting users isnt fun |
| 04:23.57 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/ChatThrottleLib |
| 04:24.17 | miica | oh it is yours :D |
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| 04:24.35 | kd3 | yet it's used by nearly every mod that sends chat, hopefully |
| 04:24.38 | kd3 | including acecomm |
| 04:24.49 | kd3 | which is good |
| 04:25.09 | Mikk | yeah, i wrote it because there were dozens of addons implementing their own throttling |
| 04:25.11 | Mikk | and thinking it was good enough |
| 04:25.20 | Mikk | and then you have 2 or 3 addons all broadcasting at max speed |
| 04:25.22 | Mikk | BAM disconnect |
| 04:25.37 | Mikk | so i wrote ChatThrottleLib and beat people upside the head til they started using it |
| 04:26.01 | sylvanaar | that was a looooong time ago too |
| 04:26.31 | Mikk | it was |
| 04:26.46 | kd3 | now if only we could kill gearscore dead |
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| 04:26.58 | Mikk | blizzard kinda tried on april 1 |
| 04:27.01 | Mikk | but noone got the point |
| 04:27.32 | miica | i will make own splits and use ChatThrottleLib with it :) |
| 04:28.04 | sylvanaar | there ya go miica |
| 04:28.21 | Mikk | and then you will use " receivedsofar = receivedsofar .. newpart " to combine, yes? |
| 04:28.46 | Mikk | grats to loads of extra garbage generated |
| 04:28.52 | Mikk | (that's what the "bloat" in acecomm avoids :P) |
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| 04:30.10 | Shirik | we can kd3 |
| 04:30.23 | Shirik | as far as I know it doesn't have any kind of SSL |
| 04:30.27 | Shirik | >.> |
| 04:30.28 | Shirik | <.< |
| 04:30.33 | sylvanaar | naiive implementations are always better because simple is better |
| 04:30.51 | sylvanaar | (sarcasm) |
| 04:30.52 | kd3 | sighs |
| 04:31.32 | Torhal | What kills me is that people who barely know the language think their homebrew code is going to be better than a library written specifically for the purpose by people who DO know the language |
| 04:32.19 | tekkub | or DO they |
| 04:32.25 | tekkub | this is Mikk we're talking aobut |
| 04:32.42 | Torhal | D'oh |
| 04:33.50 | Xinhuan | tsk tsk |
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| 04:40.29 | Shirik | ow |
| 04:40.35 | Shirik | most painful unblock request I have ever read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:70.125.205.144 |
| 04:41.50 | Dagmar | Shirik: Euthanasia. |
| 04:42.26 | Dagmar | I suppose it's too much to expect literacy out of gangster rap fans. |
| 04:49.17 | Corrodias | i think they're kicked out of rapville if they can read |
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| 04:53.09 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 04:53.19 | Shirik | reading this free magazine GNC gave me |
| 04:53.35 | Shirik | "Americans, by and large, have mastered the skill of increasing their weight." |
| 04:53.52 | Shirik | so true |
| 04:54.10 | Dagmar | Ball-bearings work great. |
| 04:54.21 | Shirik | ._. |
| 04:54.28 | Dagmar | It's *easy* to swallow several handfuls of the thihngs. |
| 04:54.56 | Dagmar | They'll even pass right through you most of the time, although I'd probably avoid getting that MRI for awhile just in case. |
| 04:55.00 | Shirik | I don't think you're supposed to |
| 04:55.26 | Dagmar | Well, clearly ball-bearings were meant to be used as friction-reducers, but that doesn't mean you can't eat them. |
| 04:55.34 | Shirik | This article has 10 tips in it, but none of them are "swallow ball bearings" |
| 04:55.36 | Dagmar | Common, household things are put to new purposes all the time. |
| 04:55.45 | Dagmar | Why should weight-gaining be any different |
| 04:56.16 | Dagmar | Shirik: That's because GNC doesn't sell ball-bearings, so they wouldn't make a profit off them. |
| 04:56.23 | Shirik | ah |
| 04:56.24 | kd3 | insert kd3 going "wtf?" here |
| 04:56.26 | Shirik | good point |
| 04:57.00 | Shirik | They say "up your calories" "eat more protein" "eat more carbs" "eat more fat" all of these are things GNC can profit off of |
| 04:57.05 | Shirik | you must be on to something here |
| 04:58.22 | Dagmar | Circus geeks have a lot to teach people, if they'd only listen. |
| 04:59.22 | Dagmar | Shirik: By the same token they don't mention anything about using tapeworms to control weight-gain, but there's actually some parts of the world where that's still common. |
| 04:59.26 | Dagmar | (and no less horrifying) |
| 04:59.47 | Dagmar | "All natural, 100% additive free FLATWORM DIET!" |
| 04:59.56 | kd3 | is still horrified by the fact that medicinal use of leeches is coming back |
| 04:59.58 | Shirik | well this is an article about increasing weight |
| 05:00.02 | Shirik | not decreasing |
| 05:00.08 | Shirik | it is kd3? |
| 05:00.46 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirudo_medicinalis |
| 05:00.52 | Dagmar | kd3: I know someone who graduated from Vanderbilt in compsci and is now an acupuncturist. |
| 05:01.09 | Dagmar | One with actual needles... not one of those places with like nine girls and a set of straightpins |
| 05:02.03 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: cant you have both? |
| 05:03.01 | miica | Mikk: i was thinking more like this {["prefix"] = {["name"] = "Foobar", ["lenght"] = 2000, {"part1", "part4", "part3"}} or something not sure yet :P |
| 05:03.34 | Arrowmaster | miica: NO! tables are bad |
| 05:04.01 | Dagmar | But.. but... everything's a table! |
| 05:04.03 | Dagmar | Shirik said so! |
| 05:04.22 | Shirik | I overemphasize that position |
| 05:04.23 | miica | tables good <3 |
| 05:04.28 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I dunno man. What I saw in California indicated to me that those places were pretty much all one thing ot all the other |
| 05:04.28 | Shirik | not EVERYTHING |
| 05:04.54 | Dagmar | LOTS of places were getting popped with like ten female employees, eight rooms, and one set of acupuncture needles. |
| 05:05.31 | Dagmar | I, of course, have no idea what they were doing in those places, although I can say that the absence of a bunch of ten inch needles in a small room with me sounds like a reasonable start |
| 05:05.32 | Arrowmaster | do i want to ask what they did while the needles were unavailable? |
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| 05:09.55 | Torhal | miica: Clearly you have no idea how much garbage will be generated. |
| 05:10.33 | miica | thank god we got collector :O |
| 05:11.49 | Torhal | ... |
| 05:12.06 | Torhal | That isn't the point. |
| 05:12.10 | Corrodias | garbage collection is an expensive process in WoW, right? |
| 05:12.26 | Torhal | Just because there is a garbage collection facility doesn't mean you shouldn't care that you're making a metric fuckton |
| 05:12.40 | Torhal | Corrodias: yes. It uses CPU and WoW is single-threaded. |
| 05:15.00 | miica | well i made addon which got guild,raid,bid list nice UI and it use same amount than AceComm loaded :o |
| 05:15.38 | miica | 40kb :o |
| 05:15.42 | Arrowmaster | amount of what |
| 05:16.18 | Arrowmaster | .... |
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| 05:21.15 | Xinhuan | i think my bar addon only uses 60 kb |
| 05:21.22 | Xinhuan | so 40 kb is a lot! |
| 05:21.49 | Adys | Anyone familiar with dlink routers? Im trying to set up a static ip for my mother's laptop |
| 05:21.53 | Adys | dlink-655 tbp |
| 05:22.39 | Adys | nvm, foundit! |
| 05:24.13 | Shirik | uh |
| 05:24.19 | Shirik | what does static IP have to do with the router? |
| 05:24.35 | Arrowmaster | probably wants a static dhcp lease |
| 05:24.47 | Shirik | meh |
| 05:24.50 | Shirik | I'm too lazy to do that |
| 05:25.10 | miica | http://pastebin.com/zj4wCuG1 this use 44kb |
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| 05:25.53 | Arrowmaster | too busy to look at it and evaluate it |
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| 05:33.17 | Jamash | grrrrr |
| 05:33.25 | Jamash | did durnholde, didn't get quest completed |
| 05:33.31 | Jamash | have to do it again to get into black morass |
| 05:39.47 | Iriel | Did you do the WHOLE thing? |
| 05:39.51 | Iriel | It keeps going for a while |
| 05:43.40 | Torhal | It isn't just the keep - you have to go back to Tarren Mill |
| 05:44.32 | Jamash | I did the whole thing |
| 05:44.45 | Jamash | I didn't talk to thrall in the basement to complete the quest segment :( |
| 05:44.49 | Torhal | Eww |
| 05:44.54 | kd3 | yup, don't do that |
| 05:44.56 | Jamash | I forgot about that |
| 05:45.03 | Jamash | been a while since I ran any bc instances |
| 05:47.33 | Adys | Shirik: as Arrowmaster said |
| 05:49.04 | Shirik | this is a hilarious ad |
| 05:49.08 | Shirik | "Oxydrene has become a bodybuilding staple, due to its ability to increase oxygen uptake at the peak of exercise levels. Does it work? The use of oxygen-related performance enhancers has been banned under International Olympic Committee (IOC) and World Anti Doping Agency (WADA) rules. What does that tell you?" |
| 05:49.50 | batrick | that it must work! |
| 05:51.14 | Corrodias | hmm... no, it tells me that some people think it works, and either it does or it's dangerous, or perhaps both |
| 05:51.58 | Adys | grr |
| 05:52.06 | Adys | anyone knows what port vnc uses? |
| 05:52.25 | Shirik | 5800? |
| 05:52.28 | Shirik | that's off memory |
| 05:52.30 | Shirik | may be completely wrong |
| 05:52.31 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/06/24/alabama-beach-full.jpg |
| 05:52.45 | Shirik | damn |
| 05:52.46 | Shirik | 5900 |
| 05:52.52 | Adys | screw you |
| 05:52.54 | Adys | i had to google it |
| 05:52.56 | batrick | Corrodias: *whoosh* |
| 05:52.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:53.00 | batrick | hai Shirik |
| 05:53.13 | Corrodias | i figured you might be sarcastic, but i also want to hear what other possibilities there are |
| 05:55.19 | Shirik | Corrodias: I just think it's hilarious the company is using the fact that it's banned as a means to say "buy our product!" |
| 05:55.27 | Shirik | I have no intention of getting it, I just found it amusing |
| 05:55.34 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 05:55.40 | kd3 | thinks back to the 'banned in boston' schtick |
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| 06:20.02 | Adys | Shirik: ping |
| 06:20.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:22.07 | Adys | Shirik: pm |
| 06:24.25 | Wobin | The Zombie Diet Guide suggests: "Stick to whole brains" |
| 06:28.12 | miica | no multivitamins :(( |
| 06:28.18 | Iriel | Got my cloak, yay |
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| 06:32.48 | eidolarr | does anyone know a lot about AceGui-3.0 ? |
| 06:33.19 | eidolarr | or even a basic understanding of the widgets? |
| 06:33.24 | Jamash | I know a little? |
| 06:33.29 | Jamash | no wait, I used aceconfig |
| 06:33.31 | Jamash | nvm |
| 06:34.31 | eidolarr | it looks underdocumented and doomed to stay that way |
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| 06:40.16 | Adys_ | ffs |
| 06:40.38 | Adys_ | Shirik: reping |
| 06:40.47 | Shirik | blargh |
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| 06:50.01 | mikma | nyah |
| 06:50.29 | Adys | Anyone at ease with port forwarding configuration? |
| 06:50.52 | eidolarr | possiblu |
| 06:51.04 | mikma | i hate that stuff |
| 06:51.05 | eidolarr | i wrote toy router firmware once |
| 06:51.09 | mikma | iptables is so horrible |
| 06:51.18 | Dagmar | BLASPHEMY |
| 06:51.26 | eidolarr | and a bit torrent client |
| 06:51.28 | Dagmar | Adys: Whatcha needta know? |
| 06:51.56 | Fisker | i'm sick mikma |
| 06:51.59 | Adys | I have a modem (192.168.1.1) + router (192.168.0.1), and I want to be able to ssh to a laptop on the network (192.168.0.150) |
| 06:52.00 | Adys | http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/06/27/cfg-modem.png |
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| 06:52.11 | Adys | modem cfg on the left, router on the right |
| 06:52.12 | mikma | fisker: what's wrong? testicle cancer? |
| 06:52.30 | Adys | mikma: what testicles? |
| 06:52.39 | Fisker | i wish mikma |
| 06:52.43 | mikma | adys: touché |
| 06:52.45 | Dagmar | Adys: Looks correct to me |
| 06:53.02 | Dagmar | I thought you were going to want iptables lines or something |
| 06:53.02 | Adys | firewall on modem is disabled and port 22 is open on the router |
| 06:53.07 | Adys | Nah |
| 06:53.08 | mikma | also |
| 06:53.10 | Fisker | rule unmatched? |
| 06:53.12 | mikma | fisker wishes mikma? |
| 06:53.17 | mikma | what's up with that |
| 06:53.32 | mikma | are you rubbing at your ... "lamp" again |
| 06:53.55 | Dagmar | Adys: It should be working if yu've saved that config and the modem reset or whatever it might think it needs to do |
| 06:54.08 | Adys | yeah this is clean rebooted and all |
| 06:54.09 | eidolarr | what the hell is this $35 activation fee on my phone |
| 06:54.13 | Adys | Dagmar: I actually have 3 categories on the router.. app rules, port forwarding and virtual serv |
| 06:54.20 | eidolarr | is it cheaper to buy a phone w/o contract and then use a non-contract plan? |
| 06:54.23 | Dagmar | Adys: If you're not sure, fire up tcpdump on .150 listening for tcp port 22 and try poking at it from outside |
| 06:54.41 | Adys | I dont think it ever reaches .150 |
| 06:54.49 | Dagmar | eidolarr: That depends on whether or not you want to pay for a data plan |
| 06:55.00 | Dagmar | If you buy from a cell provider, you're _not_ getting out of paying for a data plan |
| 06:55.04 | Adys | ill do that anyway.. sec |
| 06:55.22 | eidolarr | Dagmar: my understanding was that the plans are all more expensive under a contract than they would be without one |
| 06:55.34 | eidolarr | like, i pay $40/mo for what someone withuot a contract would ay $30/mo for |
| 06:55.40 | Dagmar | If you've no intention of using a cell phone data plan and just going wifi for all your IP traffic, it can easily come out to be cheaper to just buy the phone. Particularly if you buy a used phone from someone on ebay |
| 06:56.03 | Dagmar | eidolarr: If you're in the US I've no idea who you're getting a plan like that from |
| 06:56.12 | eidolarr | is that false? i am using verizon |
| 06:56.25 | Dagmar | I've not seen any company that gives you cheaper rates for not having a contract |
| 06:56.29 | eidolarr | $40/mo for 450 minutes and no text seems crazy to me |
| 06:56.44 | Dagmar | I'm payin $45 for about that many minutes and 300 sms |
| 06:56.54 | eidolarr | are you using a smart phone? |
| 06:57.16 | Dagmar | You could say that. |
| 06:57.20 | Dagmar | It's a Palm 800W. |
| 06:57.22 | eidolarr | i'm using google voice for texts |
| 06:57.30 | eidolarr | oh, probably not natively available for that haha |
| 06:57.32 | Dagmar | Not exactly a very _bright_ phone, but technically it's a smart phone |
| 06:57.40 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/26/iphone-4-antenna-problems-were-predicted-on-june-10-by-danish-pr/ <-zomg danes are awesome? |
| 06:57.54 | eidolarr | i was looking at using skype to route voice through data but i think skype is in their pocket |
| 06:58.20 | eidolarr | although evidently if you add your google voice number to your 5 "family and friends" contacts, your calls are free |
| 06:58.21 | Dagmar | Skype charges when you call "real" phones |
| 06:58.33 | eidolarr | yeah that seems silly to me |
| 06:58.41 | Dagmar | Well, they have transit fees to pay then |
| 06:59.07 | Dagmar | IP-to-IP they don't have to pay anyone else, so those they can make free |
| 06:59.15 | eidolarr | i guess i don't see why i couldn't like, set up a system in my house that accepts my calls as data, then sends them out across a landline |
| 06:59.34 | eidolarr | and by "i" i mean "some company" |
| 06:59.37 | Dagmar | You could, but then you'd have the cost associated with keeping a land line |
| 06:59.57 | eidolarr | yeah but that's paltry compared to the costs with voice, especially with this anytime minute bullshit |
| 06:59.59 | Dagmar | Asterix would probably do fine for your end of that |
| 07:00.34 | eidolarr | specifically i am wondering why google doesn't offer that haha |
| 07:00.42 | mikma | what's the new "cheat" way of leveling weapons? :O |
| 07:00.53 | mikma | all the cool immune mobs have been nerfed |
| 07:00.59 | Dagmar | Meleeing in heroics. ;) |
| 07:01.14 | eidolarr | killing lots of lowbies |
| 07:01.21 | eidolarr | your first point takes like 2000 kills |
| 07:01.37 | mikma | it was quite easy to level a weaponskill with dk |
| 07:01.43 | Dagmar | Just get a pet that can tank. ;) |
| 07:01.53 | mikma | spam one skill that uses rune, if the skill won't hit you won't use the rune |
| 07:01.56 | eidolarr | and a self healing mob and a shitty weapon |
| 07:01.59 | eidolarr | and go afk |
| 07:01.59 | Dagmar | Beat greens to death, rinse, repeat |
| 07:02.04 | mikma | that means you can just spam your weaponskill on and on :D |
| 07:02.08 | Dagmar | No sense in bothering with a self-healing mob |
| 07:02.23 | Dagmar | Mainly it's a lot easier to just cycle through some crap extra weapons as you level |
| 07:02.35 | Dagmar | 0-400, you're going to be spending a couple hours |
| 07:02.40 | eidolarr | well it is critical to the "go afk" step |
| 07:02.52 | Dagmar | You're not going to find an afk method that's not sketchy |
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| 07:03.32 | eidolarr | i leveled staves on my warlock by finding a crappy grey, leaving my toon autoattacking a self-healing mob that couldn't outdamage fel armor |
| 07:03.32 | Adys | Dagmar: as i suspected, ssh never reaches .150 |
| 07:03.44 | eidolarr | where "afk" means "tap spacebar while watchint tv" |
| 07:04.04 | Dagmar | Adys: Drek. By everything that was in that screenshot, it should be working |
| 07:04.20 | Adys | (repaste) I actually have 3 categories on the router.. app rules, port forwarding and virtual serv |
| 07:04.21 | Corrodias | eidolarr: a fine illustration of why weapon skills are utterly pointless |
| 07:04.23 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (smcn@c-174-52-104-121.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 07:04.30 | Dagmar | Now, I know this isn't the *manly* thing to do, but it might be time to hit the manufacturer's website and look at some documentation. |
| 07:04.31 | Adys | what i showed on the screenshot was virtserv i think |
| 07:04.42 | eidolarr | Corrodias: well i only pvp so doubly so for me haha |
| 07:04.50 | Dagmar | Adys: Okay, you want port forwarding then most likely |
| 07:04.53 | eidolarr | i wouldn't be surprised if they removed them |
| 07:04.58 | Dagmar | I would have started with port forwarding |
| 07:05.01 | Adys | Dagmar: theres embedded doc on the router, ive gone through most of it |
| 07:05.05 | mikma | leveling a throwing weapon as rogue = priceless |
| 07:05.07 | Corrodias | and i played a druid, where the only important weapon skill was automatically at max at every level |
| 07:05.14 | Adys | Dagmar: Yeah, i did earlier on... ill try again with tcpdump this time |
| 07:05.28 | eidolarr | druid is pretty rough, so is priest early on |
| 07:05.30 | mikma | so, i wanna hit with my Deadly Throw, and skill is ...54/400... woooo |
| 07:05.33 | Dagmar | Before you get that worry, tcpdump shows you stuff you might have firewalled out on the .150 host, BTW |
| 07:05.39 | eidolarr | i remember in tirisfal the scarlet friars who healed, i could never kill |
| 07:05.43 | Dagmar | ...so if you ain't seein' it with tcpdump, it ain't there |
| 07:06.09 | Adys | Dagmar: yeah, but it wouldnt show stuff that's blocked at .1.1, would it? |
| 07:06.16 | Dagmar | I should hope not |
| 07:06.23 | Adys | yeah |
| 07:06.30 | Adys | brb router reboot |
| 07:07.07 | mikma | lololloloooolo, stealth paratrooper |
| 07:07.25 | mikma | cloak enchant (agi + parachute) and stealth while in midair = priceless |
| 07:08.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 07:10.14 | Adys | Dagmar: no reachy |
| 07:10.25 | Dagmar | WTF. |
| 07:10.30 | Dagmar | What manuf/model router is it? |
| 07:10.42 | Adys | the router, it's a dlink |
| 07:10.50 | Adys | the modem.. a baudtec i think, some cheapass thing |
| 07:11.00 | Adys | I'm not positive this reaches .1.1 at all |
| 07:11.04 | Adys | any way to know? |
| 07:11.04 | Dagmar | Well, the modem is probably just acting as a media converter, right? |
| 07:11.10 | Adys | its supposed to |
| 07:11.20 | Dagmar | OKay, so you can probably ignore it. |
| 07:11.31 | Adys | yeah but for all i know it could be blocking ports |
| 07:11.36 | Dagmar | Out on a limb... did you just connect this router? |
| 07:11.51 | Dagmar | Cablemodems like to "bind" to the first MAC to request an IP with DHCP |
| 07:11.52 | Adys | nop, it's been here a week or so and ive had it for a year |
| 07:11.57 | Dagmar | Okay that shoots that then |
| 07:13.05 | Dagmar | The port forwarding settings are almost certainly what you need to poke |
| 07:13.22 | Adys | Welll yeah thats what i figured |
| 07:13.38 | Adys | hence my feeling it's related to the modem, not the router |
| 07:13.44 | Adys | router cfg looks good from here |
| 07:13.58 | Dagmar | Try a high port |
| 07:14.02 | mikma | hmm |
| 07:14.14 | Adys | try with what? |
| 07:14.18 | mikma | i wonder has anyone coded "pick the item and put it in the assigned bag" |
| 07:14.21 | mikma | -addon |
| 07:14.22 | Dagmar | Since you've got both start and end boxes, unless your ISP are a bunch of bitches who block all incoming traffic, something like 2222 should work |
| 07:14.31 | mikma | meaning, pick a BoE item, it will go into bag 4 |
| 07:14.43 | mikma | pick up grey item, bag 3 |
| 07:14.58 | Dagmar | mikma: For that sort of thing, Arkinventory might be better suited |
| 07:15.07 | Dagmar | At least it can categorize things after the fact |
| 07:15.23 | mikma | i like the default bags too much :P |
| 07:15.28 | Dagmar | You're a sick man. |
| 07:15.48 | mikma | thanks :) |
| 07:15.59 | Dagmar | Trying to keep things sorted by bag got old for me once I got all slots filled with largish bags |
| 07:16.12 | Adys | Dagmar: what's SPI? |
| 07:16.12 | mikma | <3 wobin, <3 MrPlow |
| 07:16.21 | Dagmar | Adys: Stateful Packet Inspection |
| 07:16.32 | Adys | (WARNING: If You enabled SPI, all traffics initiated from WAN would be blocked, including DMZ, Virtual Server, and ACL WAN side.) |
| 07:16.41 | Dagmar | ...which on something underpowered basically means "match a few bytes inna packet" |
| 07:16.50 | Adys | safe to disable? |
| 07:17.01 | Dagmar | By the sound of it yah |
| 07:17.14 | Adys | ohey |
| 07:17.19 | Adys | now it answers to ping |
| 07:17.27 | mikma | adys: ping |
| 07:17.51 | Arrowmaster | Adys: what am i looking at? this monitor is fucking tiny and hard to read |
| 07:18.27 | Adys | Arrowmaster: was my modem+router config... trying to figure out how to get ssh working externally |
| 07:18.54 | Dagmar | I dunno WTF good SPI would be doing on such a small device tho |
| 07:19.07 | Dagmar | Typically with SPI you either use _detailed rules_ or you're just wasting time |
| 07:19.08 | Adys | Dagmar: ssh still times out but ping doesn't |
| 07:19.55 | Fisker | Did someone say Service Pack 1? |
| 07:19.57 | Fisker | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional - Service Pack 1, v.178 (6.1.7601) |
| 07:20.24 | mikma | hey ho, being lazy ftw :P local position = {"BOTTOM",UIParent,"BOTTOM",-130,270}; RogueTimers.TargetHealth:SetPoint(unpack(position)) |
| 07:21.04 | Adys | hows that lazier than the alternative? |
| 07:21.44 | Adys | Dagmar: I have a feeling I'm supposed to do this redirection at the modem level |
| 07:22.18 | Dagmar | Almost certainly not |
| 07:22.27 | Adys | at least it lets me |
| 07:22.39 | Dagmar | I'd say at this point if you think the cablemodem is blocking you, connect to it directly and watch tcp/22 traffic |
| 07:22.45 | Dagmar | (assuming that's possible for you) |
| 07:23.14 | Dagmar | Wait... Is your cablemodem handing you a *public* IP address or one of the private ones? |
| 07:23.17 | mikma | adys: it's lazy cause i cba to find the correct line in the code if i wanna do changes in the position :D |
| 07:23.17 | Adys | yeah it is but tricky, only got 1 port on the modem and Im using it |
| 07:23.29 | Adys | Dagmar: priv; the modem gives me the public one |
| 07:23.41 | Dagmar | Okay, so it's not doing any nat/dnat/masq then |
| 07:24.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (~Srosh@d039046.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 07:24.56 | Dagmar | Looks like the only difference (judging from the documentation I'm looking at on the DIR655) between virt servers and port forwarding is that port forwarding will take a range of ports and virt server only lets you do one port at a time |
| 07:25.02 | Dagmar | Either should work for ssh |
| 07:25.15 | Adys | Sounds right |
| 07:25.23 | Adys | grrrrr |
| 07:25.32 | Adys | aren't there logs on these things :( |
| 07:25.34 | eidolarr | dagmar do you know anything about the implementation of ssh clients/filesystems/etc? |
| 07:25.39 | Dagmar | Hehe now might be a good time to look into whether or not your router supports dd-wrt |
| 07:25.40 | eidolarr | at the source level? |
| 07:25.54 | Adys | Dagmar: it doesnt |
| 07:26.04 | Adys | hence why I bought a new one, this isnt mine it's my old one |
| 07:26.08 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Not beyond going in there and slicing out things I don't want (like specific daemon version information) |
| 07:26.22 | eidolarr | do you want to? can i... enlist you? |
| 07:26.42 | Dagmar | euw |
| 07:27.02 | eidolarr | i have a half-working implementation of ssh 2.0 for plan 9 lol |
| 07:27.07 | eidolarr | and idk wtf i'm donig working on it |
| 07:27.19 | Adys | sshfs crashes pretty much every app on my computer when the remote host disconnects |
| 07:27.24 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck are you using plan 9 |
| 07:27.27 | Adys | i dont know if it's fuser's fault or sshfs' fault |
| 07:27.41 | Dagmar | I don't suppose you can just hail mary that with a quick install of gcc and some carefully chosen configure arguments |
| 07:27.46 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: what would you use? windows? pfah |
| 07:28.03 | eidolarr | gcc dne for p9 =( |
| 07:28.11 | Dagmar | Ouch |
| 07:28.36 | eidolarr | and it's not even unix so some of the stuff needs serious rethought |
| 07:28.48 | Dagmar | What you need is about a gigabyte-worth of entropy and then you can just make telnet XOR against it |
| 07:28.49 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 07:29.17 | Dagmar | OTP to the rescue |
| 07:29.46 | Jamash | do you need sshfs? |
| 07:29.51 | Jamash | scp isn't good enough? |
| 07:30.06 | Dagmar | SOme people like encrypted mounts for full time access |
| 07:30.39 | Dagmar | I'm guessing Adys' probably is the usual... that most OS's don't care for it when the server whose filesystem they've mounted up and disappears |
| 07:30.52 | Dagmar | Like hot plugging SATA while something's using it |
| 07:31.20 | Dagmar | afaik there's no way to signal to the higher layers "Yeah that filehandle you got? It's crap now. You need a new one" |
| 07:31.36 | Shirik | well |
| 07:31.43 | Shirik | you get a "fuck off" when you try to read from it again |
| 07:31.57 | Dagmar | Well, yeah there's that |
| 07:32.01 | Shirik | but yeah I don't think there's a signal sent for "IO state changed" or something |
| 07:32.14 | Shirik | I think that would be impractial |
| 07:32.17 | eidolarr | not even with inotify? |
| 07:32.18 | Dagmar | ...but hey... HOW many times have you cussed at someone for not checking error flags on EACH external resource call? |
| 07:32.37 | Shirik | at work we always check for error codes! |
| 07:32.45 | Dagmar | I know I've bitched at people dozens of times about it. Usually after they're asking me about some bizarre bug |
| 07:32.47 | Adys | Dagmar: nah it's much worse |
| 07:32.52 | Shirik | Mostly because an aircraft flying and having no idea why it's broken is quite bad |
| 07:33.01 | Dagmar | Yeah you would definitely do that then |
| 07:33.18 | Dagmar | Other coders half the time don't even check after an open() |
| 07:33.20 | Adys | Dagmar: Every app that deals with any part of the file system ends up waiting like 10 minutes for sshfs |
| 07:33.25 | Dagmar | ...let alone after each read() |
| 07:33.40 | Dagmar | Adys: Like _before_ accessing it? |
| 07:33.53 | Dagmar | ...or are you talking about timeouts once the server has up and left |
| 07:34.04 | Adys | for example, |
| 07:34.12 | Thunder_Child | "Elder goths know the difference between cool and wannabe, therefore you dont have to be depressed with our software. It also allows you, being unconventional at heart, to be more productive in your own dark gothic way, because society will ultimately confine you." oh lol |
| 07:34.17 | Adys | ~/ssh is a sshfs share to im.going.to-disconnect.net |
| 07:34.18 | purl | okay, Adys |
| 07:34.20 | Dagmar | sshfs shouldn't lag any longer than a new ssh session takes to set up, if that |
| 07:34.25 | eidolarr | Dagmar: well to be fair error checking in C sucks |
| 07:34.25 | Adys | purl: uuhhh |
| 07:34.39 | Thunder_Child | ~/ssh |
| 07:34.40 | purl | [/ssh] a sshfs share to im.going.to-disconnect.net |
| 07:34.43 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Well, you can check for the errors, or you can "find out about them later" |
| 07:34.49 | Thunder_Child | ~forget /ssh |
| 07:34.49 | purl | i forgot /ssh, Thunder_Child |
| 07:34.50 | Dagmar | Sucks or not, it's the thing to do |
| 07:34.58 | Thunder_Child | fail Adys |
| 07:35.00 | Shirik | what's so hard about checking for errors in C |
| 07:35.11 | eidolarr | it's clumsy and verbose |
| 07:35.12 | Dagmar | ECRAZYFLAGS |
| 07:35.15 | eidolarr | sometimes you just need exceptions |
| 07:35.15 | Adys | Dagmar: say ~/ssh is a disconnected share, if i do "ls ~" it's going to hang |
| 07:35.18 | eidolarr | and yeah errno is a burning wreck |
| 07:35.23 | Shirik | HRESULT myFun { RETURN_IF_FAILED(fun()); return SUCCESS; } |
| 07:35.25 | Dagmar | Adys: yeah it's timing out |
| 07:35.26 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 07:35.31 | Adys | not timing out |
| 07:35.33 | Adys | hanging |
| 07:35.33 | Shirik | what's that, you don't have HRESULTs? |
| 07:35.35 | Shirik | aww |
| 07:35.36 | Dagmar | Adys: You can PROBABLY diddle something to set that timeout value much lower |
| 07:35.47 | Adys | i dont think there is one at all currently |
| 07:35.54 | Adys | but god knows how many times that broke my apps |
| 07:36.00 | Dagmar | So the defaults probably at ten minutes then. ;) |
| 07:36.12 | Dagmar | 600 seconds. Nice round-looking number. Seldom practical. |
| 07:36.15 | Adys | Yeah if there is one it's > 1 hour |
| 07:36.20 | eidolarr | solid use of goto maeks error handling a lot nicer though |
| 07:36.25 | Dagmar | rofl |
| 07:36.38 | Shirik | your C tip for the day |
| 07:36.39 | Adys | text editors... you try to save, it looks something up, locks up completely |
| 07:36.54 | Shirik | It is perfectly legal to put a URL in code |
| 07:36.57 | Adys | i had some really, really fucked up bugs |
| 07:37.02 | Shirik | int main() { |
| 07:37.09 | Shirik | http://wowinterface.com/ |
| 07:37.16 | Shirik | printf("Hello, world!"); |
| 07:37.18 | Shirik | return 0; |
| 07:37.18 | Shirik | } |
| 07:37.19 | Dagmar | Adys: Might be time to look into using SVN or something |
| 07:37.24 | Corrodias | #include "http://google.com/index.html" |
| 07:37.26 | Adys | for? |
| 07:37.31 | Shirik | ^ perfectly legal |
| 07:37.33 | Torhal | Shirik: Huh? |
| 07:37.37 | eidolarr | bailout gotos are the shit |
| 07:37.41 | Dagmar | I haven't *tried* it yet, but CVS supports ssh mechanisms of varyling kludgity |
| 07:37.47 | Shirik | Torhal: That is valid C code |
| 07:38.09 | eidolarr | haha i get it |
| 07:38.11 | eidolarr | it's a label |
| 07:38.18 | eidolarr | that's clever |
| 07:38.20 | Shirik | yup |
| 07:38.21 | Dagmar | Valid != sane |
| 07:38.42 | Dagmar | Your precious ADA compiler would probably request someone come round and smack you |
| 07:38.44 | Corrodias | you != sane |
| 07:38.58 | eidolarr | have you seen these? http://www.steike.com/code/useless/evil-c/ |
| 07:39.02 | Dagmar | Corrodias: That's the theory |
| 07:39.03 | Shirik | Only valid in C99 and later, though. Also valid in all flavors of C++ |
| 07:39.03 | eidolarr | some of them are remarkably dirty |
| 07:39.03 | Fisker | i wouldn't make code like that |
| 07:39.06 | Fisker | thereby me = sane |
| 07:39.28 | Shirik | I've seen the "cast-to-bool operator" before |
| 07:39.56 | eidolarr | these are pretty good: #define TRUE '/'/'/' |
| 07:40.05 | eidolarr | #define FALSE '-'-'-' |
| 07:40.07 | Adys | Two (2) readers wrote in to comment that the above is unsafe due to operator precedence. |
| 07:40.07 | Adys | Yes. That is true. If you are doing arithmetic with the above, please seek help. |
| 07:40.13 | Dagmar | "If you are doing arithmetic with the above, please seek help." rofl |
| 07:40.16 | Shirik | while(count --> 0) is fucking awesome |
| 07:40.20 | eidolarr | the microsoft one is excellent too |
| 07:40.54 | Shirik | That is true. |
| 07:40.54 | Shirik | If you are doing arithmetic with the above, please seek help. |
| 07:40.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:41.01 | eidolarr | yeah cast to bool is actually almost legitimate |
| 07:41.39 | eidolarr | and the font error is subtle |
| 07:41.52 | Corrodias | what would be the point? isn't anything that isn't 0 true? |
| 07:42.27 | eidolarr | it makes anything nonzero into 1 |
| 07:42.41 | eidolarr | useful for bit operations |
| 07:43.01 | Dagmar | Because a binary and is just too much work |
| 07:43.07 | Shirik | I don't think that cast-to-bool operator is legal in C++ now that I think about it |
| 07:43.18 | eidolarr | Dagmar: and with what? |
| 07:43.27 | Dagmar | Fries. |
| 07:43.44 | eidolarr | almost |
| 07:43.56 | eidolarr | doesn't quite fit, but definitely a solid effort |
| 07:44.10 | Dagmar | 'cept mine was sarcasm |
| 07:44.15 | eidolarr | i can't think of anything else that would do the same as !! in 1 op |
| 07:44.26 | eidolarr | well mine was jovial =( |
| 07:44.29 | Dagmar | BNE 0x00 |
| 07:44.45 | mikma | asm much? |
| 07:44.54 | Dagmar | Yeah, on the 6502. |
| 07:45.10 | eidolarr | a conditional branch? |
| 07:45.13 | Adys | #define HELPER 0//**/ |
| 07:45.23 | Corrodias | what the fuck |
| 07:45.25 | eidolarr | yeah that one is clever |
| 07:45.29 | Adys | Wtf? how would a c8x compiler parse that? |
| 07:45.33 | Dagmar | That's right... when I started coding we didn't have fancy memory managers. You learned to make your own multiply function or you just starved and we LIKED it that way |
| 07:45.52 | eidolarr | c8x? |
| 07:46.01 | Adys | C89 |
| 07:47.39 | Adys | oh |
| 07:47.42 | Adys | I get it i think |
| 07:47.43 | *** part/#wowuidev Cairenn (~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 07:47.51 | Adys | but ew, seriously |
| 07:48.13 | eidolarr | is it unary +? |
| 07:48.20 | Corrodias | #define ! (0/1) |
| 07:48.28 | Adys | 0/(+1) vs 0+1 |
| 07:48.35 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 07:49.31 | Shirik | I don't like his solution |
| 07:49.38 | Torhal | I remember the days of C garbage-collection libraries. |
| 07:49.38 | Fisker | bah |
| 07:49.39 | Shirik | it requires that HELPER be defined from then on |
| 07:49.49 | Fisker | if they're going to have the frostscythe of ahune drop for palas |
| 07:49.51 | Torhal | ...which actually took more effort to use than manually-managing memory allocation. |
| 07:49.54 | Fisker | the least they can do is let us use it |
| 07:49.55 | Shirik | adding another helper macro allows you to undefine them later |
| 07:50.29 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 07:50.31 | Adys | def __div__(self, other): # My idea of evil :( |
| 07:50.32 | Adys | if other == 2: return super().__mul__() |
| 07:50.32 | Adys | return super().__div__() |
| 07:50.39 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 07:50.54 | Shirik | oh you want to see evil? |
| 07:51.02 | Fisker | can you code some time travel in c? |
| 07:51.14 | Shirik | I should show you some code I wrote to compensate for the fact that a program didn't allow me to pass arrays of strings, only strings |
| 07:51.15 | Adys | goto 1980; |
| 07:51.32 | eidolarr | I think this is probably the most clever evil I have seen in C: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/msg/e105e5d339edec01?pli=1 |
| 07:51.35 | Shirik | I took the address of each string, packed it into a string, and passed that "string" |
| 07:52.05 | Corrodias | lol |
| 07:52.14 | Dagmar | Sounds perfectly reasonable to me |
| 07:52.15 | Shirik | I ran into an issue where addresses could have a \0 in them |
| 07:52.24 | mikma | well yeah |
| 07:52.28 | Dagmar | ...until null terminated strings enter the picture. |
| 07:52.29 | Shirik | my solution: Keep allocating memory until we find an address that doesn't |
| 07:52.32 | mikma | i thought of a way to "cheat" weaponskill |
| 07:52.37 | Corrodias | HAH |
| 07:52.43 | Dagmar | OMG |
| 07:52.48 | mikma | have friend duel argent tournament opponents and stand still with 3x stack |
| 07:53.00 | eidolarr | Shirik: can't you just pad it? |
| 07:53.06 | Fisker | awesome eidolarr |
| 07:53.09 | Dagmar | ...or just run around and whack other people's challengers. |
| 07:53.09 | Shirik | don't worry Dagmar I freed the useless allocations later |
| 07:53.13 | eidolarr | pretty dirty right? |
| 07:53.17 | Dagmar | Shirik: But *still* |
| 07:53.20 | Dagmar | That's just *wasteful* |
| 07:53.20 | Corrodias | you could have made a new string that consisted of addresses in actual string form. "001122FF" ;P |
| 07:53.40 | Shirik | Corrodias: That would require more work |
| 07:53.47 | Shirik | this was beautiful because I was able to do everything with a char**** |
| 07:53.53 | Corrodias | lol |
| 07:53.55 | Dagmar | "Memory manager! Fetch me a new address! This one is unacceptable to me." |
| 07:54.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:54.13 | Shirik | I think if I tried to use realloc() it would just give me the same address |
| 07:54.22 | eidolarr | yeah realloc kinda blows |
| 07:54.30 | Shirik | well no that's really an efficiency thing |
| 07:54.38 | Shirik | there isn't supposed to be a use case for "I don't like this address" |
| 07:54.56 | eidolarr | I still don't seew hy you couldn't pad |
| 07:55.21 | Shirik | how am I supposed to know that I need to pad ahead of time? or how much I need to pad? |
| 07:55.29 | Shirik | I only know the address I'm going to get after I got it |
| 07:55.52 | Dagmar | This just makes me love pointers and structs more and more |
| 07:55.59 | eidolarr | oh yeah i misunderstood |
| 07:56.02 | Shirik | let me see if I can find the code |
| 07:56.05 | Shirik | it is quite beautiful |
| 07:56.30 | eidolarr | back when i was writing my kernel, we had this problem where page tables were using too much of the kernel's address space |
| 07:57.15 | Shirik | here it is |
| 07:57.31 | eidolarr | so we ended up putting them into the same addresses for every process, on top of the address space |
| 07:57.35 | Corrodias | eidolarr: page out the paging table |
| 07:57.39 | Corrodias | :V |
| 07:57.44 | Dagmar | Oh like WfWg 3.11 did |
| 07:57.46 | eidolarr | yeah exactly haha |
| 07:57.47 | Dagmar | THat was always nice |
| 07:57.57 | Adys | Dagmar: pm a sec |
| 07:58.02 | Shirik | looks so innocent, right? http://wowi.pastey.net/138078-23n2 |
| 07:58.04 | Dagmar | Okay |
| 07:58.52 | Shirik | the implementation: http://wowi.pastey.net/138079-31hp |
| 07:58.55 | Jamash | char*** ? |
| 07:59.16 | Dagmar | Wow. It burns the eyes, it does |
| 07:59.45 | Jamash | I stopped reading after the first reinterpret cast |
| 07:59.47 | Dagmar | The only thing nastier would be if you used a perl-style name for the define |
| 08:00.02 | Dagmar | PftSvSy would be nice |
| 08:00.21 | eidolarr | Shirik: why couldn't you just cast it? |
| 08:00.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 08:00.28 | Shirik | cast what? |
| 08:00.37 | eidolarr | maybe i need to see a usage |
| 08:00.38 | Jamash | wtf are you doing writing nasty assembly-style code in c++ anyway |
| 08:01.06 | Shirik | Fixing the stupidest limitation in LabVIEW |
| 08:01.20 | Shirik | LabVIEW allows you to call C libraries, but the only type it doesn't support is string arrays |
| 08:01.21 | eidolarr | if you have a char** and can only past char* why not just cast |
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| 08:01.23 | Shirik | so..... fixed :) |
| 08:01.36 | eidolarr | *pass |
| 08:01.37 | Dagmar | Adys: Somethin WEIRD going on |
| 08:01.37 | Shirik | char** and char* are two different things |
| 08:01.44 | Adys | Dagmar: yeah? |
| 08:01.47 | eidolarr | yeah but this is C you can caste them to whatever you want |
| 08:01.58 | Shirik | I don't understand what you're asking |
| 08:01.59 | Corrodias | (char**)(&thing) |
| 08:02.01 | eidolarr | they're both just addresses |
| 08:02.02 | Jamash | no, it's c++ |
| 08:02.09 | Corrodias | (char*)(&thing) |
| 08:02.09 | eidolarr | like, why not make it a void * |
| 08:02.17 | Shirik | make what a void* |
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| 08:02.22 | Corrodias | your string array |
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| 08:02.28 | eidolarr | yes |
| 08:02.33 | Shirik | I don't have control of C from LabVIEW's side |
| 08:02.38 | Shirik | it only gives me what it wants to give me |
| 08:02.41 | Amarande | Shirik, what is with wikipedia editors? |
| 08:02.44 | Shirik | it will not let you pass an array of strings |
| 08:02.56 | Shirik | if I try to it goes "I don't know wtf to do with this" |
| 08:03.11 | Shirik | Amarande: ? |
| 08:03.18 | Amarande | Shirik: some people just do some really odd linking |
| 08:03.23 | Corrodias | so just what exactly -are- you doing instead? you're encoding something different |
| 08:03.26 | Shirik | some editors are moron |
| 08:03.32 | Amarande | like ... links that redirect back to the same page sort of odd linking |
| 08:03.33 | Amarande | :| |
| 08:03.35 | Shirik | Corrodias: I pass this "marshaller" each string, one by one |
| 08:03.35 | Jamash | c strings and c arrays are fail anyway |
| 08:03.37 | Corrodias | what if you take your array of strings and cast it as something else? |
| 08:03.41 | eidolarr | Shirik: it seems like the packing you are doing is the exact same as casting |
| 08:03.44 | Shirik | and the marshaller gives an array back to labview |
| 08:03.50 | Shirik | disguised as a string |
| 08:03.55 | Shirik | eidolarr: There's nothing to cast |
| 08:03.59 | Jamash | clearly labview is also fail |
| 08:04.02 | Shirik | agree |
| 08:04.07 | Shirik | but that's not the topic of this discussion |
| 08:04.19 | Shirik | Amarande: Where do you see this? |
| 08:04.22 | Corrodias | disguised as a string, that's fine, what do you end up with in labview? you don't do C coding in labview? what is it? |
| 08:04.33 | Shirik | in labview you get what it thinks is a string |
| 08:04.39 | Shirik | labview is coding with pictures basically |
| 08:04.42 | Shirik | I have an example here somewhere |
| 08:04.46 | Jamash | oh god no |
| 08:05.34 | Amarande | Shirik: check the page for Mage: The Ascension, for instance. |
| 08:05.52 | Amarande | Try the "Crafts" and "Nephandi" links. See where they go. |
| 08:06.00 | Amarande | WHY MAKE A LINK IF IT'S JUST GOING TO RELOAD THE SAME PAGE |
| 08:06.02 | Amarande | %#&*$#&*$@&#*(@ |
| 08:06.02 | eidolarr | Shirik: this is what i am not getting; what is the difference between packing a bunch of char * addresses into a containing char *, and having a char** |
| 08:06.06 | mikma | lol, there's time limit in the mounted duels |
| 08:06.16 | mikma | [11:05:47] Your skill in Thrown has increased to 367. |
| 08:06.17 | mikma | [11:05:48] Ironforge Valiant says: It seems you were not ready for mounted combat. |
| 08:06.21 | Amarande | mikma: I actually encountered that once. |
| 08:06.32 | Shirik | eidolarr: The fact that I can do the first? |
| 08:06.32 | Amarande | And I was winning, too :| |
| 08:06.40 | mikma | amarande: i got my wife standing there with 3 shields |
| 08:06.50 | eidolarr | Shirik: but they are identical, only a cast away |
| 08:06.53 | Corrodias | Shirik: what if you cast it? |
| 08:06.59 | Shirik | there. is. nothing. to. cast. |
| 08:07.08 | Shirik | I can only get what labview is willing to give me |
| 08:07.14 | Corrodias | char** bob; char* bill = (char**)(&bob); or whatever |
| 08:07.17 | Shirik | it _will not_ give me an array of strings |
| 08:07.19 | Shirik | period |
| 08:07.26 | Corrodias | char* bill = (char*)(&bob); sorry |
| 08:07.40 | Amarande | Shirik: arrays of strings are one of the more irritating things in C :S |
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| 08:07.44 | Corrodias | does it CRASH or what? |
| 08:07.51 | Shirik | it is impossible to code |
| 08:07.53 | Amarande | to the practically 'black magic' level sometimes, particularly with dynamic string arrays |
| 08:07.54 | eidolarr | but if you are trying to convert an array of strings why can't you just cast the array to (char *), forgiving the nulls? |
| 08:08.00 | Corrodias | what about what i just did, Shirik? what would that do? |
| 08:08.08 | Amarande | you know what's weird |
| 08:08.08 | Shirik | eidolarr... I never get an array |
| 08:08.08 | Shirik | period |
| 08:08.16 | Amarande | even as primitive a language as Commodore BASIC 2.0 had string arrays that worked |
| 08:08.18 | Amarande | why not C? |
| 08:08.23 | Shirik | Corrodias: Where did bob come from? |
| 08:08.31 | Corrodias | didn't you have an array of strings to begin with? |
| 08:08.34 | eidolarr | Shirik: i thuoght you were trying to turn arrays of strings into char * so you can pass them to labview |
| 08:08.37 | Shirik | in labview? yes |
| 08:08.41 | Shirik | now how did it get to C? |
| 08:08.48 | Adys | doesnt google have ntp servers? |
| 08:08.52 | Corrodias | labview? i thought you were talking about getting it -into- labview. |
| 08:08.59 | Shirik | no, labview has the array of strings |
| 08:09.01 | Shirik | I'm trying to pass it to C |
| 08:09.04 | Corrodias | ooooooooooh |
| 08:09.07 | eidolarr | oh |
| 08:09.15 | Corrodias | well never mind ^_^ |
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| 08:10.50 | eidolarr | Shirik: i am not trying to belabor it but this is what is getting me: 03:51 <@Shirik> I took the address of each string, packed it into a string, and passed that "string" |
| 08:11.23 | eidolarr | so when you took the address, you didn't take them all from the same **, you took them from all over creation? |
| 08:12.02 | eidolarr | I just don't see how that would differ from casting the array, if the addresses are coming from an array |
| 08:12.29 | Shirik | btw this is what labview looks like: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/44da37ac3737a75edc52eab2046ea302.png |
| 08:12.43 | Corrodias | jesus |
| 08:13.15 | eidolarr | wow it's like windows 95 all over again |
| 08:13.16 | Shirik | honestly, I know it's confusing to look at, but that's just like any language you've never read before |
| 08:13.22 | Shirik | it's actually a very interesting language |
| 08:13.27 | Shirik | and well designed |
| 08:13.30 | Shirik | it just has random stupid limitations |
| 08:13.55 | eidolarr | it looks very mouse reliant |
| 08:14.20 | Shirik | when you get good at it it won't slow you down |
| 08:14.29 | Shirik | there are a lot of mouse shortcuts, kinda like mouse gestures |
| 08:14.43 | eidolarr | i bet you are good at counterstrike |
| 08:14.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:14.51 | Shirik | I use to be on a CAL team |
| 08:15.02 | eidolarr | which letter? |
| 08:15.13 | eidolarr | or division i guess |
| 08:15.19 | eidolarr | or... league...? |
| 08:15.20 | Shirik | not CAL-I |
| 08:15.27 | Shirik | just an amateur league |
| 08:15.32 | Shirik | this was a few years ago |
| 08:15.37 | Fisker | not other than google groups i believe Adys |
| 08:15.38 | Shirik | open league |
| 08:15.49 | eidolarr | 1.6? |
| 08:16.40 | mikma | [11:16:14] Your skill in Thrown has increased to 397. |
| 08:16.41 | mikma | trololo |
| 08:16.44 | eidolarr | I don't think I have ever sucked dick so utterly at a game while still enjoying it as CS |
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| 08:16.49 | Shirik | ha |
| 08:17.07 | eidolarr | did you play any other HL mods? |
| 08:17.10 | Adys | Dagmar: ok lets see |
| 08:17.10 | Amarande | eidolarr: heh |
| 08:17.15 | Amarande | the trouble with CS |
| 08:17.21 | Amarande | is that I only really can like it about *half* the time |
| 08:17.48 | Amarande | this is what happens when you fall in love with the CT-only sniper :| |
| 08:17.59 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 08:18.03 | Shirik | did CPL shut down? |
| 08:18.42 | eidolarr | i guess so |
| 08:18.42 | Shirik | wow |
| 08:18.48 | eidolarr | quiet end of an era |
| 08:18.53 | Shirik | yeah |
| 08:18.56 | Adys | Dagmar: Uh |
| 08:19.04 | Fisker | old news are old eidolarr |
| 08:19.09 | Shirik | fu Fisker |
| 08:19.13 | Shirik | I did not know :( |
| 08:19.16 | eidolarr | neither did i |
| 08:19.18 | Shirik | CAL is what got me into gaming :( |
| 08:19.20 | Adys | Dagmar: Router local settings; Dynamic route RIP2-B, Direction None, IGMP Snoop disabled, Multicast disabled |
| 08:19.24 | Adys | Dagmar: is that relevant? |
| 08:19.32 | Dagmar | Nop |
| 08:19.42 | Shirik | Adys |
| 08:19.51 | eidolarr | Shirik: did you play any other mods like hostile intent, specialists, day of defeat, firearms? |
| 08:19.54 | Dagmar | Shirik: Either his router or his cablemodem are doing something *crazy* |
| 08:19.57 | eidolarr | man the memories are flooding back |
| 08:19.59 | eidolarr | action half life |
| 08:20.01 | Shirik | just add yourself as DMZ |
| 08:20.05 | Shirik | and see if you can connect |
| 08:20.09 | Shirik | if you still can't, then it's your ISP |
| 08:20.10 | Dagmar | Shirik: I send off SYNs, I get resets back for the *wrong port* |
| 08:20.11 | Adys | Yeah thats what Im doing now |
| 08:20.32 | Shirik | eidolarr: nah |
| 08:20.50 | Arrowmaster | i still remember when the camera man tripped over the power cable during a CPL finals, the guys i know that were working CPL at the time were about to lynch him |
| 08:20.52 | Shirik | I actually haven't played CS:S in forever |
| 08:20.54 | Dagmar | If it were my router, it'd already be in the trash can. Heh |
| 08:21.03 | Amarande | what was CPL? |
| 08:21.05 | Adys | Shirik: DMZ host IP = my computer's IP? |
| 08:21.10 | Fisker | yes |
| 08:21.11 | Shirik | cyberathlete professional league |
| 08:21.16 | Shirik | yes Adys |
| 08:21.41 | zenzelezz | "US law enforcement bodies view the sale of instant messaging service ICQ to a Russian company as a threat to homeland security." - say what? |
| 08:21.47 | eidolarr | i always wanted to make a HL or HL2 mod but no one in the communities seemed to have the will to finish what they started |
| 08:21.48 | Dagmar | Also known as "not being firewalled" |
| 08:22.01 | Shirik | zenzelezz: EAR is the most fucked up regulation ever |
| 08:22.15 | Adys | Shirik: what now? |
| 08:22.18 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: I always knew that loud WHANNGGG noise was a communist plot |
| 08:22.18 | Arrowmaster | Adys: no, dmz just means everything is routed to your pc but pc still has an internal ip |
| 08:22.26 | Adys | Ah i see |
| 08:22.31 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: hehe |
| 08:22.39 | Shirik | oh I thought he was asking if that's what he's supposed to set in the router |
| 08:22.43 | Shirik | yes, what Arrowmaster said |
| 08:22.44 | Arrowmaster | its basically just port forwarding all ports |
| 08:22.52 | Adys | Perfect |
| 08:22.53 | Adys | sec |
| 08:22.54 | Corrodias | being 'in the DMZ' means that anything coming in on a port that isn't forwarded to another address goes to that machine, right? |
| 08:23.00 | Shirik | hdx |
| 08:23.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:23.18 | zenzelezz | hdx... now that's the coolest typo I've seen for "yes" |
| 08:23.20 | Dagmar | Yeah, it makes the router assume any new stuff is meant for that host |
| 08:23.26 | Shirik | give me a break I'm laying in bed :( |
| 08:23.37 | Adys | are you naked? |
| 08:23.42 | Shirik | ... no |
| 08:23.47 | Corrodias | are you touching yourself? right now? |
| 08:23.47 | Adys | Why the hell not? |
| 08:23.53 | Shirik | .......... |
| 08:24.04 | Corrodias | the world needs to know. |
| 08:24.09 | Shirik | no |
| 08:25.06 | Shirik | ok seriously |
| 08:25.09 | Dagmar | Are you... |
| 08:25.09 | Shirik | I need to go to sleep |
| 08:25.12 | Dagmar | telemarketing? |
| 08:25.12 | Shirik | it's like 1:25 AM |
| 08:25.16 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 08:25.26 | Dagmar | Sorry. Inside joke. |
| 08:25.36 | Dagmar | Easiest way to deal with telemarketers is ask what they're wearing. |
| 08:26.12 | mikma | hehe, way to make money |
| 08:26.20 | mikma | "Weapon leveling dummy, 10g!" |
| 08:26.41 | mikma | stand around with 3 stacks of shield while others beat the mounted duelers |
| 08:26.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:27.09 | Dagmar | Hunter method: Volley spam |
| 08:27.41 | Fisker | omg |
| 08:27.47 | Fisker | Shirik in bed? |
| 08:27.49 | Fisker | webcam pl0x |
| 08:27.50 | Shirik | ... |
| 08:28.05 | Dagmar | I begin to hope whatever he's doing can make uPnP calls |
| 08:28.13 | Dagmar | Turning that on might be a good idea at this point |
| 08:28.35 | airtonix | Shirik, how long is the Mississippi |
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| 08:29.41 | zenzelezz | [2. Trade] [...]: Is orgrimmar the main horde city? |
| 08:29.44 | zenzelezz | [...]: Level 80 Blood Elf Hunter - Silvermoon City |
| 08:29.50 | Dagmar | Ebay! |
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| 08:30.29 | Adys | Dagmar |
| 08:32.03 | Fisker | that isn't as rich as the level 80 blood elf asking how to get out of silvermoon city |
| 08:32.12 | Dagmar | THat guy might have just been high |
| 08:32.56 | zenzelezz | one must be to be idling in Silvermoon at 80 |
| 08:33.03 | Kaso | whoever invented the "oh hey we're going to reboot your pc to install this updated unless you tell me not to in five minutes" feature of windows needs to be shot |
| 08:33.15 | Dagmar | Kaso: Wait until it gets *stuck* on |
| 08:33.29 | Jamash | it was steve "balmy" ballmer |
| 08:33.37 | Kaso | lol |
| 08:34.01 | Kaso | its frustrating coming back to see the download you left going overnight only 10% further progressed than you left it :( |
| 08:34.08 | Jamash | look at this photo http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Steve_ballmer_2007_outdoors2.jpg/426px-Steve_ballmer_2007_outdoors2.jpg |
| 08:34.12 | Jamash | look at it |
| 08:34.16 | Jamash | _look at it_ |
| 08:34.22 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 08:34.26 | Kaso | looks like a politican |
| 08:34.28 | Jamash | now stop looking at it |
| 08:34.32 | Corrodias | oh god! |
| 08:34.44 | Jamash | for he who gazes into the abyss may find that the abyss also gazes into him |
| 08:34.52 | Kaso | haha |
| 08:35.31 | Amarande | Kaso, you shouldn't try to download the entire internets in one go |
| 08:36.15 | Kaso | i was only trying to download l4d2 :( |
| 08:36.21 | Kaso | just my shitty internet is slooowww |
| 08:37.52 | eidolarr | if it's any consolation l4d2 is fun and will be worth it probably |
| 08:38.08 | Jamash | katana chop! |
| 08:38.13 | bleeter | for those who missed it on my FB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrfpnbGXL70 |
| 08:38.22 | bleeter | l4d2 is shite in .au, censored to death |
| 08:38.30 | Kaso | well it was £6 on steam so it wont take a lot to be worth it |
| 08:38.45 | Kaso | Still 66% off for 8 more hours if anyone wants |
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| 08:40.08 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:41.03 | Amarande | why are we trouting cairenn :| |
| 08:41.18 | Jamash | ok "javatar" made me laugh |
| 08:43.34 | Fisker | it didn't make me laugh Jamash .( |
| 08:43.35 | Fisker | :( |
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| 08:50.22 | Fisker | i killed you Alram |
| 08:51.02 | Alram | oh |
| 08:51.03 | Alram | :( |
| 08:51.25 | Jamash | with kindness |
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| 09:12.47 | airtonix | or a trout |
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| 09:29.24 | Moonwitch | everybody PING |
| 09:29.32 | Moonwitch | I AM ALIVE ... ALIVE I TELL YOU |
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| 09:48.28 | Fisker | i will kill you today Moonwitch |
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| 09:58.33 | Torhal | Fisker: Before or after she sews your testicles to your forehead? |
| 10:02.53 | Kaso | I cant connect to wow, where do i begin troubleshooting this then :( |
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| 10:10.05 | Adys | YES. |
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| 10:45.59 | zenzelezz | for all the goodness that is on Steam, I wish it didn't lack certain games, like Neverwinter Nights |
| 10:47.13 | Xinhuan | not valve's fault |
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| 10:47.51 | zenzelezz | Xinhuan: nope :-) |
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| 11:13.45 | Adys | stop being |AFK |
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| 11:55.42 | Moonwitch | ello |
| 11:55.59 | Moonwitch | and Fisker, you will not kill me today, Cairenn would slaughter you before you got to me |
| 11:56.07 | Moonwitch | cairenn PING |
| 12:08.54 | Moonwitch | damnit I forgot my authenticator so I can play wow |
| 12:11.59 | zenzelezz | http://roflrazzi.com/2010/06/27/funny-celebrity-photos-joan-rivers-mother-could-love/ |
| 12:12.39 | Corrodias | the mask of death |
| 12:12.56 | Corrodias | don't look away; it'll be on your throat before you can blink |
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| 12:23.44 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Inspect Throttling coming: http://cot.ag/cxdTvX || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || When in doubt, C4 |
| 12:27.10 | mikma | zenzelezz: http://roflrazzi.com/2010/06/25/funny-celebrity-photos-hugh-laurie-blackadder-british-comedy-poll/ <- better! |
| 12:30.34 | zenzelezz | see, I don't consider it a competition when I link something |
| 12:30.37 | zenzelezz | but that is still funny |
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| 12:32.04 | mikma | it is a competition when you paste sucky links |
| 12:33.48 | Fisker | lets zenzelezz mikma |
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| 12:37.19 | mikma | yeah, cause that made sense |
| 12:43.44 | mikma | oh neat |
| 12:43.52 | mikma | normal pack in instance (3 mobs) |
| 12:44.02 | mikma | [15:43:28] Gequon has died. |
| 12:44.03 | mikma | [15:43:35] [P] [Gequon]: ??? |
| 12:44.04 | mikma | [15:43:42] [P] [Aslym]: not jused to heal without healbot |
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| 12:45.37 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 12:46.06 | mikma | after all, heroic UP |
| 12:46.09 | mikma | woot woot, and woot |
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| 13:54.48 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 13:54.49 | Fisker | exterminate |
| 13:55.03 | nevcairiel | exterminates Fisker |
| 13:55.19 | Fisker | no u |
| 13:56.28 | Fisker | you think you can stop me |
| 13:56.29 | Fisker | but you can't |
| 13:57.37 | nevcairiel | i can just destroy all danes |
| 13:57.41 | nevcairiel | that'll stop you |
| 13:58.34 | Fisker | i'm not danish |
| 13:59.27 | nevcairiel | you are a danish |
| 14:01.05 | mikma | so, bleed effect color, wheeeere are you? |
| 14:06.35 | airtonix | just increase the workload mossad give to danish immigration |
| 14:06.41 | airtonix | fiskerfucked |
| 14:14.34 | Blia | hi uys |
| 14:14.38 | Blia | guys* |
| 14:15.39 | Blia | i am trying to use blizzard's InspectFrame code in an addon : I would like to see my target's portrait in a frame. |
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| 14:16.19 | Blia | here is my code --> XML : http://nopaste.info/72b5d41f9c.html and Lua : http://nopaste.info/d532ad2594.html |
| 14:16.50 | Blia | but unfortunately i don't see where the problem is to get the rounded portrait in my frame |
| 14:16.59 | Fierceflame | Question: Is it possible to check if a player has an equipment set equipped? As I couldnt find a function for it :S |
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| 14:17.30 | Blia | i am new to addon development and I don't know where the problem is with my code.. |
| 14:17.43 | Blia | Fierceflame : sorry, I have no idea. |
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| 14:19.38 | Fierceflame | Blia, what's the problem with your code? (I'm new to, sot he chance is small I know it, but ehy,c an always try :P) |
| 14:19.58 | Blia | i am trying to use blizzard's InspectFrame code in an addon : I would like to see my target's portrait in a frame. |
| 14:20.03 | Blia | but unfortunately i don't see where the problem is to get the rounded portrait in my frame |
| 14:20.09 | Blia | here is my code --> XML : http://nopaste.info/72b5d41f9c.html and Lua : http://nopaste.info/d532ad2594.html |
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| 14:22.05 | Fierceflame | Blia, No idea :S |
| 14:22.10 | Blia | :-( |
| 14:22.15 | Blia | ok, thanks anyway |
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| 14:24.30 | Spejnar | Blia: not sure about the error but your intedenation makes it annoying to read :/ |
| 14:24.39 | Spejnar | intendation* |
| 14:24.41 | Blia | sorry :-( |
| 14:24.53 | Blia | it does not in Notepad++ |
| 14:25.15 | Blia | but nopaste.info doesn"t help, that's true. |
| 14:25.19 | Spejnar | you cant get the frame to become rounded or what was the problem? |
| 14:25.51 | Blia | i would like to see the target's portrait inside my frame |
| 14:25.55 | Blia | and I can't get it |
| 14:26.10 | Blia | TargetFrame and InspectFrame can |
| 14:26.31 | Blia | of course because it's Blizzard code, but i don't understand the code enough to add it in my addon |
| 14:26.51 | Blia | i don't know where the problem is to see my ennemy's face in my frame |
| 14:26.56 | Spejnar | no idea tbh, just started with this myself |
| 14:27.05 | Blia | ok :-) |
| 14:27.18 | Spejnar | all I know is that getting shit to work with templates, secure templates, secure handles, protected, tainted and shit, it makes me confused |
| 14:27.25 | Spejnar | shouldnt have read the book like that >.< |
| 14:33.37 | alestane | You shouldn't have to worry about taint to get a portrait inside a frame. |
| 14:34.08 | Blia | i need it for my addon |
| 14:35.36 | Blia | hmm.. pastebin.com > nopaste.info |
| 14:35.51 | Blia | pastebin manages lua files |
| 14:38.15 | olafski | < Spejnar> intendation* <-- indentation |
| 14:38.36 | Blia | so here is my XML file : http://pastebin.com/pSF9e9eP and my Lua file : http://pastebin.com/hQu9HMET (with better indentation) |
| 14:38.55 | Spejnar | olafski: there we go, seems you understood me anyway ^^ |
| 14:39.24 | olafski | I understood intedenation too but you felt the need to correct that as well |
| 14:41.29 | Spejnar | ye |
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| 14:50.59 | mikma | wait what |
| 14:51.11 | mikma | this palatank has like +41 defense |
| 14:51.14 | mikma | in heroic |
| 14:51.40 | Fierceflame | xD And he survives? |
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| 14:55.34 | mikma | yeah |
| 14:55.38 | mikma | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kor%27gall&cn=Zeptune |
| 14:55.42 | mikma | this is not his tank gear tho |
| 14:56.13 | zenzelezz | +41 what, rating or points? |
| 14:56.34 | mikma | he has only one item with +def :P |
| 14:56.41 | mikma | ElitistGroup is crying for mercy |
| 14:56.45 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 14:56.51 | mikma | 47% Equipment (251) |
| 14:56.54 | mikma | 10% Enchants |
| 14:56.57 | mikma | 26% Gems |
| 14:57.16 | mikma | this is after he has added himself as "tank" in LFD |
| 14:59.13 | mikma | [17:56:53] Zeptune-Kor'gall: if you cant heal me tbh gl healing icc heroics |
| 15:00.48 | airtonix | lol |
| 15:01.52 | airtonix | he is right though |
| 15:02.16 | mikma | so you're saying it's ok to run heroics with 441 defense? |
| 15:02.26 | airtonix | yes |
| 15:02.48 | airtonix | but i wouldn't use hard drugs at the same time |
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| 15:04.15 | airtonix | its not like your doing speed runs or trying to ensure that the healers you already let into your guild haven't tricked you about their mental illnesses |
| 15:04.24 | airtonix | right ? |
| 15:04.45 | mikma | this tank IS doing a speedrun |
| 15:04.55 | airtonix | the name "Donald" should have alerted you to potential problems |
| 15:05.33 | airtonix | is he yelling "FACEPLANT" at each group of mobs ? |
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| 15:06.32 | Spejnar | maybe he is trying to get the explorerer title running heroics? |
| 15:06.40 | mikma | na, he always leaves 1 mob behind and runs into next group so others can't drink (in case they need to) |
| 15:06.47 | airtonix | lulz |
| 15:07.03 | airtonix | that's awesome |
| 15:09.10 | airtonix | mikma, wait. why does he have int and mana enchants ? |
| 15:09.52 | airtonix | ... |
| 15:09.54 | airtonix | every slot |
| 15:10.09 | airtonix | has something changed about paladin tanking since ulduar ? |
| 15:11.06 | airtonix | nvm just saw the second spec |
| 15:13.48 | mikma | he needs to log out, now he has healgear on in armory :) |
| 15:19.09 | Fierceflame | Another question, is there a way to let a slashcommand print a message when there is no message attached? So say to let /command print a message, so without the need for /command message. As it does nothing when I try to add a message if nil == message |
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| 15:21.29 | alestane | Usually something like [[print(message or "Default Message")]]. |
| 15:22.35 | mikma | print(message and message or "Enter text here lol") |
| 15:23.00 | alestane | The "message and" is useless there, mikma. |
| 15:24.17 | mikma | maybe, maybe not |
| 15:24.40 | alestane | No, really. |
| 15:25.07 | mikma | yes, maybe. |
| 15:25.20 | alestane | "message and message" is a tautology. In Lua it will always evaluate to message. |
| 15:26.55 | alestane | Well, okay, if your global table has an __index metamethod with side effects it could conceivably produce different results, but doing that is going to cause so many headaches it's hard to imagine it being used for anything other than deliberately breaking that code. |
| 15:27.00 | Fierceflame | :S I don't really get it :S |
| 15:27.18 | Fierceflame | So this is my piece of code: http://toptop18.pastey.net/138082/5:6:7 |
| 15:27.33 | alestane | If message is nil, then (message or "default") will evaluate to "default". |
| 15:28.44 | Fierceflame | But the nil part doesnt display a message, so what do i have to do to display the "TEST: Default message" when only /testcommand is entered :S |
| 15:29.43 | haste | Fierceflame: you check if it's nil, it will probably just be a empty string |
| 15:30.33 | zenzelezz | so Thrall has been having a staring contest with his grandmother for an hour now in Garadar... he really doesn't want me to see this event |
| 15:30.57 | alestane | http://toptop18.pastey.net/138083 |
| 15:33.05 | Fierceflame | Thanks Alestane :D Think that'll help me, gonna test it now :D |
| 15:36.01 | alestane | Left out a close-quote, fixed it. |
| 15:36.08 | airtonix | lol Repomen The genetic Opera |
| 15:36.18 | zenzelezz | that film is weird |
| 15:36.23 | airtonix | its opera |
| 15:36.27 | alestane | Repo: The Genetic Opera. |
| 15:36.32 | zenzelezz | if it comes on a DVD, it's a film |
| 15:36.39 | zenzelezz | and I have it sitting in my DVD collection |
| 15:36.41 | alestane | It's a rock opera. after the fashion of Rocky Horror. |
| 15:37.08 | airtonix | was repomen based on a book ? |
| 15:37.30 | alestane | Film is a type of presentation. Opera is a type of performance. They're not incompatible definitions. |
| 15:37.30 | airtonix | or on this opera ? |
| 15:37.52 | airtonix | i didn't deny you your definition |
| 15:38.02 | Fierceflame | Alestane, noticed that already :P And that I don't have a print function defined yet xD |
| 15:38.10 | airtonix | i merely clarified its wierdness |
| 15:38.10 | alestane | There's a movie, "Repo Man" which has nothing to do with "Repo: The Genetic Opera." |
| 15:38.25 | alestane | WoW offers print since 3.0, Fierceflame. |
| 15:38.34 | zenzelezz | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0963194/ |
| 15:38.45 | Fierceflame | oO |
| 15:38.48 | Fierceflame | Didnt know that |
| 15:38.53 | Fierceflame | Will amke stuff easier :D |
| 15:39.02 | airtonix | just goes to show what you can learn by reading |
| 15:39.15 | alestane | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087995/ |
| 15:40.35 | airtonix | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1053424/ |
| 15:40.50 | airtonix | hoho |
| 15:46.38 | alestane | It's certainly based on the same premise as "Repo!"...not sure if one is based on the other, or if they derive from a common inspiration. |
| 16:05.07 | Shirik | lua> do local n = 0; setmetatable(_G, {__index = function() n = n + 1; return n; end}); end return foo and foo |
| 16:05.08 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: cannot change a protected metatable |
| 16:05.11 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:05.17 | Shirik | batbot: do local n = 0; setmetatable(_G, {__index = function() n = n + 1; return n; end}); end return foo and foo |
| 16:05.24 | Shirik | --> do local n = 0; setmetatable(_G, {__index = function() n = n + 1; return n; end}); end return foo and foo |
| 16:05.24 | batbot | Shirik: > 2 |
| 16:05.38 | Shirik | --> do local n = 0; setmetatable(_G, {__index = function() n = n + 1; return n; end}); end return foo |
| 16:05.38 | batbot | Shirik: > 1 |
| 16:05.47 | Shirik | and this is why the Lua VM does no optimizations |
| 16:06.05 | Shirik | well, really the compiler |
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| 16:07.53 | zenzelezz | there seems to be a lot of love for Richard Knaak.... |
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| 16:22.45 | cog|away | Shirik |
| 16:30.54 | Shirik | cogwheel |
| 16:31.13 | cogwheel | i can edit posts now on so -_- |
| 16:32.41 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:32.50 | Shirik | I don't know what that means |
| 16:35.19 | cogwheel | i got 2000 rep on stackoverflow. i can edit other people's questions and answers |
| 16:36.20 | zenzelezz | damnit |
| 16:36.29 | zenzelezz | so all this time downvoting you didn't pay off? |
| 16:36.41 | Shirik | lo |
| 16:37.16 | cogwheel | also, 4/10 of the version control apps in ubuntu software center are for git |
| 16:37.22 | Shirik | why companies should not blindly copy product descriptions from the product bottle to a website: |
| 16:37.33 | Shirik | "The container you are holding in your hand is no exception." |
| 16:37.42 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I am holding nothing in my hand >.> |
| 16:38.00 | nevcairiel | then you're doing it wrong |
| 16:38.14 | Shirik | :/ |
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| 16:40.45 | zenzelezz | at least not something you'd usually call a "container" |
| 16:40.57 | cogwheel | "3 homeless men standing in front of the liquor store scratching Lotto scratchers. #NormanRockwellWhereAreYou" |
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| 16:42.35 | Fierceflame | alestane, I've got it to work, but there is one thing that doesnt work in the piece of code you provided and that's that it can't handle 2 things/spaces, so it can't run /command test test. With the if statement that's possible. Your way with the table is the best way for things without spaces though :D |
| 16:43.29 | alestane | You can put a message with spaces in by entering it as ["two-part message"] = "some response", rather than test = "some other response" |
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| 16:45.50 | alestane | Try it like this, Fierceflame: http://toptop18.pastey.net/138084 |
| 16:46.28 | Fierceflame | Hmm ye figured that, I always seem to forget the syntax for tables :( |
| 16:47.25 | alestane | There are three kinds: |
| 16:48.20 | alestane | someExpression, which enters someExpression in as the next unused integer key based on how many such expressions were included in the constructor; |
| 16:49.14 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:49.16 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 16:49.19 | Fisker | not so hey alestane |
| 16:49.24 | Fierceflame | hey Fisker |
| 16:49.39 | alestane | [keyExpression] = someExpression, which associates someExpression with the key defined by keyExpression, which can be defined dynamically or with a constant; |
| 16:49.47 | Fierceflame | Be nice to Alestane, she's awesome in helping me out :D |
| 16:50.26 | airtonix | you going to finish that joke about the 3 homeless men cogwheel ? |
| 16:51.12 | Fisker | he's a she Fierceflame ? |
| 16:51.25 | cogwheel | airtonix: it was its own punchline. gogo society |
| 16:51.34 | alestane | token = someExpression, which is basically shorthand for ["token"] = someExpression. That is, it uses a string constant as the key, defined at compile time. |
| 16:51.43 | Fierceflame | I don't know :P I'll refer to him as a he then now, if you say so :P |
| 16:51.50 | airtonix | i see now |
| 16:52.00 | cogwheel | Fisker: ohai |
| 16:52.10 | alestane | The character my online persona is named after is a she, Fierceflame, and I'm not offended, but the person at the keyboard is male. |
| 16:52.15 | airtonix | ~seen FiskersMom |
| 16:52.16 | purl | fiskersmom <~4b6507b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-swkxaxkxejrspgpg> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 18d 23h 10s ago, saying: 'Fisker: i need relief. come home.'. |
| 16:52.52 | cogwheel | ~botsnack |
| 16:52.52 | purl | thanks, cogwheel |
| 16:52.52 | alestane | Now I have to go for a while though. |
| 16:53.16 | Fierceflame | Alestane, thanks for pointing these things out :D It's clear now, and I wrote em down for if I might forget em xD |
| 16:53.41 | alestane | The original source is here: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.7 |
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| 16:55.44 | mikma | zenzelezz + airtonix : http://elitistarmory.com/EU/Kor%27gall/Zeptune <- now he has logged out with the "tankgear" he was in |
| 16:57.11 | zenzelezz | mikma: what do you mean that's bad tank gear, he has Essence of Gossamer!!!1 |
| 16:57.26 | mikma | zenzelezz: two items with def on them, hey hey hey! |
| 16:57.37 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 16:57.51 | zenzelezz | I really will miss that stat... I enjoyed it |
| 16:58.00 | mikma | i cannot agree more |
| 16:58.18 | mikma | i was just having a poop and i was thinking that how will they make tanks be .. tanks in cataclysm |
| 16:58.55 | airtonix | the red crosses |
| 16:58.57 | airtonix | they blind me |
| 16:59.28 | mikma | gotta <3 shadowed for coding ElitistGroup, eventho it eats babies! |
| 17:00.10 | mikma | Defense 418, Below crit cap. no way? |
| 17:00.52 | mikma | also, <3 http://www.wowhead.com/spell=56584#comments |
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| 17:02.07 | Shirik | lol. |
| 17:02.12 | Shirik | ~wiki Administrator abuse on Wikipedia |
| 17:02.42 | A-KO | sigh, all this hacking and cracking of WoW's executable to fix a "problem" that has been proven to be nothing more than a bug. |
| 17:02.48 | A-KO | sighs at stupid people |
| 17:03.12 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:03.13 | A-KO | I can't believe people like that even reproduce--darwinism is a failure :( |
| 17:03.15 | mikma | that reminded me about the dude that was about to hack wow client so his addon would work |
| 17:03.27 | Shirik | what bug? |
| 17:03.45 | mikma | he had max amount of locals? or stuff in table? can't remember but it was delicious |
| 17:03.53 | A-KO | Shirik: there's been a memory bug in 3.3.5 that has caused WoW to crash with an out of memory error, so people have been blaming it on WoW's lack of being large address aware or bieng a 64-bit executable, so people have been using programs to modify wow to give it the switch |
| 17:04.17 | Iriel | Ah yes, the "sacrifice my glorious view distance" bug |
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| 17:04.24 | Iriel | The workaround is pretty solid, if annoying |
| 17:04.30 | Iriel | (i.e. turn down your view distance) |
| 17:04.47 | A-KO | I don't see why people want max view distance anyway--I kick it up beyond the fog and all I see is shit "popping in", the fog at least makes it come in smoother |
| 17:04.53 | Shirik | I need a tiebreaker here |
| 17:04.56 | A-KO | Blizzard's distance setting is a reasonable one :P |
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| 17:05.06 | Shirik | in another channel we came up with the idea of replacing a car's horn with a vuvuzela |
| 17:05.16 | A-KO | Shirik: that's nowhere near as fun as the train horn kits |
| 17:05.19 | Shirik | we are split 50/50 between "that would be epic" and "that's a terrible idea" |
| 17:05.23 | Iriel | I use the max one in the graphics options, I dont force the limit out, but having to make it much closer is a pain |
| 17:05.35 | mikma | shirik: terribly epic |
| 17:05.43 | Shirik | mm |
| 17:05.46 | Shirik | sagely nod |
| 17:05.46 | A-KO | Iriel: yeah, well these peopel are setting beyond the max limit in the slider--the slider sets the value I think to "1300" and the max is 1600 or something like that |
| 17:06.14 | A-KO | if you set it to 1600, you see the world "pop in", very unnatural looking, quite terrible in fact, and really not worth it to me. |
| 17:06.17 | mikma | shirik: http://www.break.com/index/train_horn_scare_prank.html |
| 17:06.52 | nevcairiel | A-KO: i believe you can turn off the pop-in effect, but of course it uses more resources, as well |
| 17:07.07 | Iriel | Ok, time for me to go back to work. |
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| 17:13.14 | Shirik | ok guys |
| 17:13.24 | Shirik | the past tense of "flow" is "flowed" not "flew" |
| 17:13.31 | Shirik | otherwise we get sentences like "the lava flew underground" |
| 17:13.33 | Shirik | no |
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| 17:13.58 | Cide | flying lava ftl |
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| 17:17.12 | zenzelezz | the airplanes flowed through the air |
| 17:17.48 | zenzelezz | I'm totally going to use that to see if people get it |
| 17:17.58 | Fierceflame | Mikma: "We sit down by the rail road crossing and do this shit. " |
| 17:29.34 | Fierceflame | Oh I love my room in Goldshrie inn for coding :P |
| 17:32.47 | Dashkal | Hidden house in SW Dwarven District :) |
| 17:36.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: there's nothing terribly /wrong/ with that sentence :P |
| 17:39.01 | Fierceflame | Dashkal, where's that? |
| 17:39.01 | mikma | in middle of dalaran |
| 17:39.08 | Fierceflame | And there's laods mroe spam there :P |
| 17:39.14 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:39.54 | mikma | [20:39:44] [T] [Shadowshaep]: Rogue dps lfg weekly |
| 17:41.08 | Dashkal | Fierceflame: You get to it from the canals. One of the houses on the canals opens again into a back alley |
| 17:41.44 | Dashkal | We have guild meetings in there and laugh at the people heading in there for 'RP' |
| 17:41.52 | Cide | zenzelezz, that's not as strange though |
| 17:41.55 | Cide | with air flow and all |
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| 17:42.07 | zenzelezz | hm... you have a point there |
| 17:42.42 | Fierceflame | Dashkal, would be awesome if you could lead me to there :P |
| 17:42.56 | Dashkal | Fierceflame: I just gave you all you need to know :P |
| 17:43.08 | Fierceflame | From the canals >< xD |
| 17:43.14 | Dashkal | Enter from the canals outside of the dwarven district |
| 17:43.23 | Fierceflame | Ah ill go look for it |
| 17:44.27 | mikma | can you SetPoint frame into 4 positions? TOP,frame,TOP -> LEFT,frame,LEFT -> BOTTOM,frame,BOTTOM -> RIGHT,frame,RIGHT |
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| 17:49.27 | Jamash | wat |
| 17:49.33 | Jamash | oh, yes |
| 17:49.51 | Jamash | or you could just set TOPLEFT and BOTTOMRIGHT |
| 17:50.02 | mikma | yeah, but the whole idea here is to add text into statusbar |
| 17:50.11 | mikma | when the statusbar shrinks, text loses letters |
| 17:50.14 | Jamash | ah |
| 17:50.21 | mikma | "Slice and Dice" becomes "Slice an.." |
| 17:50.25 | mikma | etc etc |
| 17:50.39 | Fierceflame | Ah Cut-throat alley :P |
| 17:50.48 | mikma | harry pothead |
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| 17:53.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 17:54.50 | zenzelezz | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:55.57 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi there. Want to come rip some seams out for me? I'm boooooored! |
| 17:56.07 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 17:56.09 | zenzelezz | seams? |
| 17:56.37 | Lopeppeppy | Re-doing all of my SCA garb, it's all too big! |
| 17:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | purrs for Shirik. |
| 17:56.51 | zenzelezz | SCA? |
| 17:57.06 | Lopeppeppy | medieval re-enactment sorta hobby |
| 17:57.11 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 17:57.24 | Xinhuan | omg steam -75% offer on all civ games! |
| 17:57.26 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is going to come to blizzcon dressed up like a gnome |
| 17:59.32 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I AM a gnome. |
| 17:59.40 | Lopeppeppy | A giant one, compared to pretty Seerah, but still. |
| 17:59.42 | Shirik | yeah but you need the clothes for it too! |
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| 18:01.34 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy Shirik Cide |
| 18:02.09 | zenzelezz | what, she's been a naked gnome until now? |
| 18:02.39 | Lopeppeppy | just my goggles and Zootfizzle's nuclear screwdriver! |
| 18:03.10 | nevcairiel | hot |
| 18:03.25 | Iriel | Xinhuan: presumably that is except for Civ V |
| 18:03.31 | Xinhuan | yeah =/ |
| 18:03.47 | Xinhuan | half life 1 at $2 |
| 18:03.56 | Xinhuan | eve online at $2 too (free 1st month) |
| 18:04.08 | Iriel | Xinhuan: I would have been mad at them since I pre-ordered it at full price some time ago |
| 18:04.44 | Xinhuan | i am hoping there's some offer for civ5 |
| 18:04.49 | Xinhuan | before paying full price |
| 18:04.55 | nevcairiel | probably wont be |
| 18:05.04 | nevcairiel | havent seen many pre-orders with offers |
| 18:05.29 | Iriel | Typically pre order offers are WAY out, and decrease as you approach release date |
| 18:05.36 | Iriel | Otherwise you piss off people who ordered early |
| 18:05.37 | zenzelezz | of course there'll be an offer, like with every game these days. For only $20 more than normal price, you can get the SUPER ÃœBER DIGITAL EXTREME EDITION 2000 |
| 18:05.43 | zenzelezz | which has one additional model |
| 18:05.50 | Xinhuan | that's why i'm holding out |
| 18:05.54 | nevcairiel | thats not that kind of offer i was thinking about |
| 18:06.13 | Iriel | By 'decrease' I mean you pay full price, not that the price decreases |
| 18:06.34 | Iriel | Then you can expect the item to remain full price for a period after launch, until the initial blip of sales subsides, then it starts to get discounted. |
| 18:06.44 | nevcairiel | what they might do is bundle it with another game |
| 18:06.44 | Fisker | lies Xinhuan |
| 18:06.49 | Xinhuan | i don't think i want to wait hehe |
| 18:07.00 | Fisker | i already demanded a refund |
| 18:08.13 | Xinhuan | hmm |
| 18:08.30 | Xinhuan | steam --> paypal --> paypal says i will pay by credit card |
| 18:08.36 | Xinhuan | i might as well pay direct by credit card if i do that |
| 18:08.44 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 18:08.54 | Fisker | paypal is fucked up anyway |
| 18:09.01 | Fisker | i believe they have to take the full amount |
| 18:09.07 | Xinhuan | why does paypal not allow me to pay by my existing AUD funds |
| 18:09.08 | Fisker | and then they credit your paypal amount for the difference |
| 18:09.09 | Xinhuan | =/ |
| 18:09.10 | Fisker | which sucks |
| 18:09.27 | nevcairiel | some services are weird like that |
| 18:09.36 | nevcairiel | they only allow credit card payment, even if its through paypal |
| 18:09.52 | Xinhuan | i paid with existing funds before using paypal to steam |
| 18:10.05 | Xinhuan | perhaps they dont' allow it if i don't have USD funds in it |
| 18:10.13 | Xinhuan | atm, i only have AUD |
| 18:10.21 | nevcairiel | oh yeah, it doesnt auto-convert |
| 18:10.36 | Xinhuan | my last purchase it did autoconvert |
| 18:10.46 | Xinhuan | it used up all my remaining USD, and took the remainder converted from AUD |
| 18:10.52 | nevcairiel | weird |
| 18:10.55 | nevcairiel | i never had it convert |
| 18:11.26 | nevcairiel | i get donations in USD, and buy stuff in EUR, but never had it use the USD |
| 18:12.00 | Xinhuan | it also converts if i send cash |
| 18:12.39 | Xinhuan | http://store.steampowered.com/sale/Civilization_sale |
| 18:12.50 | Xinhuan | haha they screwed up the $359.76 |
| 18:12.54 | Xinhuan | and $89.99 |
| 18:13.18 | nevcairiel | yeah seriously, whats with those =P |
| 18:18.39 | haste | it becomes the 2K Pack when you add it to the cart |
| 18:19.02 | haste | if you click on the title it gets the proper price and reference however |
| 18:21.26 | Shirik | hm |
| 18:21.33 | Shirik | I've been looking for a new game |
| 18:21.35 | Shirik | is it worth it? |
| 18:21.50 | Shirik | how out-of-date is civ4? |
| 18:22.59 | Shirik | Lmao |
| 18:23.07 | Shirik | I think their online store is totally confused by this deall |
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| 18:23.18 | Shirik | Individual price: $19.99 |
| 18:23.25 | Shirik | Package price: $39.99 |
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| 18:23.36 | Shirik | If you buy them together, we'll charge you $20 more! |
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| 18:26.45 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: it's a good tgame and i reccomend you buy it, however, civ 5 is on there for preorder |
| 18:27.11 | Shirik | yeah but this is $9.99 for 4 games |
| 18:27.26 | Thunder_Child | you asked how out of date it is |
| 18:27.26 | Shirik | well, one game with 3 expansions |
| 18:27.40 | Shirik | yeah, is it? |
| 18:27.55 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 18:28.11 | Thunder_Child | define 'out of date'? |
| 18:28.17 | Thunder_Child | the graphics are still good |
| 18:28.18 | Fisker | it's not confused Shirik |
| 18:28.23 | Thunder_Child | gameplay is good |
| 18:28.28 | Shirik | that's what I was asking about |
| 18:28.28 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:28.29 | Fisker | it takes the discounted price of the individual items |
| 18:28.31 | Thunder_Child | hell, i still like civ 3 |
| 18:28.31 | nevcairiel | games like that dont go "out of date" so fast |
| 18:28.36 | Fisker | but take the standard price of the package |
| 18:28.36 | nevcairiel | its from like 2005 or so |
| 18:28.49 | Fisker | (Because it's what it's trying to show you saving from etc) |
| 18:29.01 | Shirik | You save $-20!! |
| 18:29.21 | Shirik | Steam saves $20 |
| 18:29.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:29.38 | nevcairiel | Steam makes an extra $20 |
| 18:29.52 | Thunder_Child | you save steam $20! |
| 18:29.59 | Torhal | So...on Curse, would it be overly-harsh of me to Report Spam and type this: "Spammer. The same damn spammer that you could have filtered months ago. Seriously...get a fucking grip."? |
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| 18:30.05 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 18:30.13 | nevcairiel | nah, be offensive, maybe that helps |
| 18:30.17 | Torhal | Heh |
| 18:30.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys_ (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 18:30.55 | Torhal | I could finish the message with "I appreciate all the hard work you've put into it.Very simple." |
| 18:31.12 | nevcairiel | hard work? in that page? doesnt feel like it, tbh |
| 18:31.26 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 18:31.31 | Torhal | That's the part of the spam message that's constant... |
| 18:31.33 | Torhal | :P |
| 18:31.38 | Torhal | Hence, easily-filtered |
| 18:31.40 | nevcairiel | ah, hehe |
| 18:32.07 | nevcairiel | but meh, curse seems to just spawn new stuff all the time, and the old things are left for bitrot |
| 18:32.35 | Torhal | Aye. |
| 18:32.47 | sylvanaar | i just press the report button and dont leave a comment |
| 18:32.49 | Fisker | gentleshirik |
| 18:33.07 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 18:33.09 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sagging_(fashion)&diff=prev&oldid=253396557 |
| 18:33.11 | nevcairiel | All those whatever-unimportant-games that get new pages |
| 18:33.23 | nevcairiel | better fix the page for the most popular game =P |
| 18:33.33 | Torhal | sylvanaar: Well, I'm just hoping that if there is someone who actually deletes these reports...that I can at least jar a "Whoah, dude" out of them so maybe something will eventually get done. |
| 18:33.49 | Torhal | Maybe. |
| 18:33.53 | Torhal | Like, when Hell freezes. |
| 18:34.02 | sylvanaar | i dont think anyone deletes them, i usually have to do it |
| 18:34.19 | Torhal | No, I mean when someone (maybe) deletes the report. |
| 18:34.19 | Dagmar | Submit your spam report with an attached spam then |
| 18:34.21 | nevcairiel | even better, even the reports are bitroting |
| 18:34.50 | Adys | can someone give me google.com's ip? |
| 18:35.06 | Fisker | 74.125.79.104 |
| 18:35.11 | Torhal | I'm actually surprised that Ackis didn't ask me to take over as manager of ARL, since he had to delete at least a dozen fucking spam messages a week. |
| 18:35.20 | Adys | thanks |
| 18:35.23 | Fisker | he wants the points Torhal |
| 18:35.24 | Fisker | THE POINTS |
| 18:35.30 | nevcairiel | 209.85.135.147 209.85.135.104 209.85.135.103 209.85.135.106 209.85.135.105 209.85.135.99 |
| 18:35.31 | Torhal | Now that I'm doing it I'm tempted to give the project back. |
| 18:35.37 | nevcairiel | why do i get others then Fisker |
| 18:35.42 | Torhal | Fisker: He still gets points :P |
| 18:35.44 | nevcairiel | he is playing you Adys! |
| 18:35.49 | Adys | nevcairiel: dns redirection |
| 18:36.03 | Fisker | yeah you suck nevcairiel |
| 18:36.21 | Torhal | The only reason I took over is that non-categorized tickets go to the project manager. |
| 18:37.12 | Torhal | gags Fisker with drain cleaner. |
| 18:37.44 | Shirik | wow |
| 18:37.47 | Shirik | I really fucked something up |
| 18:37.48 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:37.59 | Shirik | (11:36:46) ERROR Closing link [Too long raw line] |
| 18:38.01 | Shirik | - |
| 18:38.01 | Shirik | (11:36:46) * Disconnected |
| 18:38.31 | nevcairiel | dont exceed the 512! |
| 18:39.06 | Shirik | did I disconnect from here? |
| 18:39.06 | Shirik | or was that znc kicking me off? |
| 18:39.12 | nevcairiel | you didnt dc |
| 18:39.22 | alestane | Peppy, Kay just retired a pair of pants for that same reason. |
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| 18:40.03 | Shirik | Kay? |
| 18:40.29 | Dagmar | All that sagging was attracting unwanted attention from felons? |
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| 18:45.22 | Fisker | oh sweet |
| 18:45.35 | Fisker | i just had placed my soda on my authenticator |
| 18:46.06 | Dagmar | It's not a coaster, and chilling it will make it drift. |
| 18:49.58 | Cide | so will flying with it but let's get real |
| 18:52.46 | Fisker | well anyway a good deal of cola went over my keyboard and monitor |
| 18:53.08 | Lopeppeppy | I retired a few things that can't be adjusted, alestane, but most I'm trying to fix first. |
| 18:53.12 | Dagmar | Bottles, man. |
| 18:53.21 | Dagmar | I don't let cans or open cups *near* my workstation |
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| 18:53.41 | nevcairiel | bottles can spill |
| 18:53.50 | Fisker | and it was a bottle |
| 18:53.52 | Dagmar | Not when you keep the caps on them they don't |
| 18:54.02 | nevcairiel | but you cant drink when the cap i on |
| 18:54.06 | nevcairiel | +s |
| 18:55.02 | Fisker | i need those anti-spill cups babies get |
| 18:55.45 | Dagmar | If you can't manage to keep from spilling bottles while you're holding them and before you put the cap back on, it's probably time to buy a waterproof keyboard and get some pills for the parkies |
| 18:56.20 | Fisker | i don't put the cap back on |
| 18:56.21 | Fisker | duh. |
| 18:56.27 | Dagmar | Well, there you go |
| 19:05.04 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 19:05.26 | Dagmar | I surely hope that ICANN at least learns from this upcoming .xxx debacle |
| 19:09.29 | nevcairiel | upcoming? it has already been a debacle |
| 19:09.44 | Dagmar | No, it's about to become a reality |
| 19:09.48 | Dagmar | THEN we'll see a debacle |
| 19:10.20 | Dagmar | The company looking to become the registrar for .xxx was threatening to sue ICANN |
| 19:10.28 | zenzelezz | I still think the only reason it will be used at all is so rivalling sites can't copy their domains |
| 19:10.43 | Dagmar | Absolutely no. Not. Nope nope nope. This is not something you should be allowed to do in a million years. |
| 19:10.58 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: It's a pointless cash grab |
| 19:11.00 | nevcairiel | sue the icann because they dont allow the tld? |
| 19:11.05 | nevcairiel | wait, what? |
| 19:11.06 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 19:11.10 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 19:11.20 | nevcairiel | well now they allowed it |
| 19:11.27 | Dagmar | Yeah, which is fucked up |
| 19:11.39 | Dagmar | I'm going to be recommening everyone block it |
| 19:11.45 | Dagmar | Block it everywhere. |
| 19:11.49 | tekkub | obvious cash grab aside, if they do things right, it could actually be very very good... |
| 19:12.00 | Dagmar | tekkub: How so? |
| 19:12.24 | zenzelezz | yeah, cause when you go to superexcitedcheerleaders.com you don't expect porn anyhow |
| 19:12.30 | tekkub | i.e. if you run a pornographic site on a not-.xx domain, you could be sued/fined ... it'd make it much much easier for parents to filter shit |
| 19:12.31 | Dagmar | All I see is a bunch of guys going "HELL YEAH! WE CAN SELL PREMIUM BEACHFRONT ON AN IMAGINARY MOON!" |
| 19:12.46 | Dagmar | tekkub: I'm sorry. That's fail. Utter fail. |
| 19:12.49 | tekkub | not that they can really impose that now, but they could have |
| 19:15.07 | Dagmar | But they didn't and they won't. |
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| 19:15.31 | Dagmar | So, there's basically no point to .XXX, more work for the TLD hosts... |
| 19:15.57 | Dagmar | Like, basically, this does not benefit the internet and actually harms it in a few specific ways, just so some assholes can make money |
| 19:16.41 | Dagmar | The existance of .XXX will not mean anyone is obligated to take their porn off .com, .net, or even .org domainsl. |
| 19:16.52 | nevcairiel | it should! |
| 19:17.03 | zenzelezz | why? |
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| 19:17.42 | Dagmar | nevcariel: How so, and mind you your answer should not reflect a pro-censorship standpoint because the internet automatically routes around censorship |
| 19:18.28 | nevcairiel | i dont care about censorship, but keeping stuff central makes it easier to find, too |
| 19:18.28 | A-KO | I think a voluntary .xxx tld is a smart move |
| 19:18.37 | nevcairiel | and dont we all want easy porn? |
| 19:18.38 | zenzelezz | voluntary, sure |
| 19:18.53 | zenzelezz | but I believe 99% of the porn sites won't care |
| 19:18.57 | Dagmar | nevcariel: HAH |
| 19:19.02 | A-KO | zenzelezz: the major ones will |
| 19:19.12 | Dagmar | When exactly was the last time you had trouble FINDING PORN on the INTERNET? |
| 19:19.15 | Dagmar | 1997? |
| 19:19.20 | nevcairiel | well, good porn! |
| 19:19.23 | A-KO | I would imagine we'll see playboy.com move to playboy.xxx and then do a redirect, for example. |
| 19:19.25 | Dagmar | So, 1998? |
| 19:19.34 | Dagmar | A-ko: I imagine we won't. |
| 19:19.45 | Dagmar | Hugh Hefner doesn't do XXX stuff. |
| 19:19.47 | zenzelezz | Playboy's barely porn |
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| 19:20.07 | Dagmar | He's got naked chicks coming out his silk pajama pockets, but they don't do hardcore over there. |
| 19:20.18 | Dagmar | Larry Flynt, who actually *does* do hardcore, is also against this. |
| 19:20.30 | A-KO | I wouldn't see why, it's just a domain name |
| 19:20.36 | A-KO | I suppose people type ".com" out of habit |
| 19:20.45 | A-KO | but you can easily keep your .com domains and redirect them to .xxx |
| 19:20.47 | Dagmar | Because it invites censorship |
| 19:20.52 | A-KO | sure |
| 19:21.03 | nevcairiel | What i think is kidna weird that the US doesnt really have a country tld, they just shove everything in .com or .net |
| 19:21.04 | Thunder_Child | then we have to define 'porn' eg. what about image hosts that happen to have porn images |
| 19:21.14 | zenzelezz | A-KO: but if the porn sites all retained .com and redirected, there really wouldn't be a point to the .xxx in the first place |
| 19:21.24 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: There's multiple reasons for that, but one of the big ones is that no one gave a shit what country anything was in |
| 19:21.45 | A-KO | zenzelezz: sure there would, the ability to filter it out of schools, etc...a redirect ot .xxx would still allow schools to block *.xxx pretty easily. I'm not saying it's a perfect solution, but it is far better than trying to filter based on content alone. |
| 19:21.57 | nevcairiel | it works for all other countrys =P |
| 19:22.02 | Kaso | a lot of porn sites are against .xxx |
| 19:22.05 | Dagmar | nevcariel: When this stuff was being put together, it was put together by people who Make Things Work and they know the only thing that really mattered was topology and not having to remember octetsd |
| 19:22.07 | zenzelezz | pfft, don't all schoolkids these days use proxies? |
| 19:22.21 | Kaso | paying $60xnumber of domains to gain them nothing, they arent happy |
| 19:22.41 | Dagmar | nevcariel: We had to hack that in later when we realized other people seemed to care about having their own tld so they could feel special and have their own little land-grab |
| 19:22.46 | A-KO | but it all doesn't matter anyway--because eventually everything will be a TLD |
| 19:22.49 | A-KO | http://google |
| 19:22.52 | A-KO | heh |
| 19:23.05 | Dagmar | Since there are no *long distance fees* on the internet, the country code designation is of limited utility |
| 19:23.14 | A-KO | most people do context internet anyway--how many "normal" people type a full address bar? very few. They type "Home Depot" in their address bar, it pulls up google, they click the first link, done. |
| 19:23.15 | nevcairiel | its kinda useful |
| 19:23.25 | Fierceflame | Bumping into a problem with slash commands again :S |
| 19:23.25 | nevcairiel | want the german google, use google.de, want the english, use google.com |
| 19:23.26 | Fierceflame | I want to split the string entered after the /command, but I don't know where to place the code to split this :S Or in what sequence the code is called/handled :S |
| 19:23.26 | Fierceflame | This is my current piece of slash command code: http://toptop18.pastey.net/138088 |
| 19:23.26 | Dagmar | It's not like if you're contactng somewhere in .pl that they only have seven bits and you have to uuencode or something |
| 19:23.36 | Kaso | A-KO, the worst is when they type www.facebook.com into google then click the link |
| 19:23.37 | nevcairiel | want german amazon, use amazon.de |
| 19:23.38 | nevcairiel | etc :P |
| 19:23.42 | A-KO | lol Kaso |
| 19:23.58 | A-KO | nevcairiel: It sounds like they should be separated based on language then, not country ;) |
| 19:24.03 | Dagmar | nevcariel: You know your browser actually sends a list of locales along with your get request, right? |
| 19:24.19 | Dagmar | Typing google.de to see it in German is obvious enough, but it's not needed |
| 19:24.25 | durcyn | cctlds are great, for example you can tell a site is 4x better because it has a .de suffix instead of .uk |
| 19:24.30 | nevcairiel | the browser thing is stupid |
| 19:24.41 | nevcairiel | it doesnt easily let me choose |
| 19:24.44 | Dagmar | Plus, ".de" doesn't mean "deutche" it means Germant. |
| 19:24.47 | Dagmar | er Germany |
| 19:24.56 | Cide | it means douche |
| 19:25.33 | Dagmar | Now, eu_DE or whatever the hell it is, THAT actually refers to a language |
| 19:25.43 | nevcairiel | de_DE actually |
| 19:25.48 | nevcairiel | where the hell did you get the eu from |
| 19:25.50 | Cide | the distinction is subtle and mostly irrelevant |
| 19:25.57 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Made it the hell up |
| 19:26.08 | Fierceflame | The e is just above the d :P |
| 19:26.32 | nevcairiel | in my amazon example, i want the amazon that ships in germany, so i use .de |
| 19:26.40 | nevcairiel | makes perfect sense =P |
| 19:26.58 | Fisker | a |
| 19:27.20 | Dagmar | Okay, so Accept-language: de_CH then |
| 19:27.27 | Dagmar | Hadda look it up and it still might be wrong |
| 19:27.34 | nevcairiel | wth do i want with swiss |
| 19:27.49 | Dagmar | Either way, attaching semantic meaning of that nature to a TLD is foolish |
| 19:28.00 | nevcairiel | but thats still stupid, i cant easily go to the US page then |
| 19:28.09 | nevcairiel | because they still ship to me, just other things for other prices |
| 19:28.12 | Dagmar | That's why it's foolish. |
| 19:28.19 | Dagmar | Let the goddamn browser pick the language |
| 19:28.25 | nevcairiel | But i dont want it to |
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| 19:28.31 | Dagmar | Expect your eCommerce sites to be able to understand where you are from your shipping address |
| 19:28.45 | nevcairiel | But i WANT the US page, and shipping from the US |
| 19:28.55 | Dagmar | ...because if they can't figure that out, you don't need to be giving them your credit card number |
| 19:28.56 | nevcairiel | now, i can easily do that |
| 19:28.58 | nevcairiel | just use .com |
| 19:29.18 | Dagmar | .com does not imply any particular geolocation |
| 19:29.25 | nevcairiel | or .co.uk when i want UK shipping |
| 19:29.53 | nevcairiel | because, surprise, they dont sell the same shit |
| 19:30.00 | nevcairiel | or for the same price :) |
| 19:30.50 | Dagmar | So what |
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| 19:35.39 | Iriel | I use .co.uk when I want to buy items released in the UK, and .com when i want to buy items released in the US |
| 19:35.47 | Cide | that's why being forced to a particular version of a site is bad |
| 19:36.05 | Iriel | They are essentially separate companies unified under a common corporate identity and application infrastructure |
| 19:36.41 | nevcairiel | they do share accounts |
| 19:36.43 | nevcairiel | but yeah |
| 19:37.00 | Dagmar | THey _are_ separate companies |
| 19:37.08 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: Iriel: whats the typical hard test for string.match and friends? |
| 19:37.10 | Dagmar | You're not being forced to go to any of them |
| 19:37.24 | jnwhiteh | I need to do some quick benchmarks |
| 19:37.27 | nevcairiel | i use co.uk/.com mostly for movies i want from their releases, cant get US or UK releases from amazon.de |
| 19:37.38 | Dagmar | There are UK companies who use .com as well |
| 19:37.46 | Iriel | jnwhiteh: Hm, backtracking tends to be the hard part, though I dont have a test pattern for that offhand |
| 19:37.48 | Dagmar | Amazon is not the goddamn internet |
| 19:37.58 | Cide | Dagmar, if your browser forces you to a specific version, then you are |
| 19:38.04 | jnwhiteh | yeah, I think its's something like .-b with a long string of a's, but not sure =) |
| 19:38.07 | Cide | <Dagmar> Let the goddamn browser pick the language |
| 19:38.09 | Dagmar | Cide: Browser don't force anyone to do anything |
| 19:38.14 | Cide | <Dagmar> Let the goddamn browser pick the language |
| 19:38.30 | nevcairiel | i usually install an english browser anyway |
| 19:38.31 | Dagmar | "let the bodies hit the floor" <-- get it right |
| 19:38.34 | nevcairiel | now its confused |
| 19:38.38 | jnwhiteh | yeah that should be it. |
| 19:38.48 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 19:38.49 | Dagmar | The browser takes it's tip from the operating system, or whatever YOU set it to |
| 19:38.54 | Fisker | but not so hey Cide |
| 19:38.54 | Dagmar | It doesn't force anyone to do anything. |
| 19:39.05 | Dagmar | It tells the remote site what LANGUAGE the response should be in. |
| 19:39.15 | A-KO | http://i.imgur.com/9rZtc.jpg |
| 19:39.15 | Dagmar | ...not where to ship things to you from. |
| 19:39.16 | nevcairiel | but its complicated to reconfigure on the fly, rather just change the tld of the domain |
| 19:39.17 | Cide | and that tends to be misinterpreted to be the version of the site |
| 19:39.19 | Dagmar | Jesus |
| 19:39.38 | Dagmar | For fuck's sake what language you speak shoudln't dictate where you order things from either |
| 19:39.39 | Cide | i.e. it's really difficult for me to search google.com in english |
| 19:39.45 | Cide | it always searches google.se |
| 19:39.51 | nevcairiel | why would a US page even have a translated page? =P |
| 19:40.01 | Cide | without messing with a lot of settings, and then it searches google.se in english instead |
| 19:40.04 | Dagmar | Some people might only speak messican |
| 19:40.34 | Cide | and some people hate to see sites in their main language |
| 19:40.36 | Dagmar | You guys are just making up silly arguments to piss me off |
| 19:40.43 | Cide | because translations are often terribad |
| 19:41.01 | zenzelezz | ^ |
| 19:41.11 | Cide | but google.com vs google.se is the biggest issue |
| 19:41.17 | Cide | and it's annoying as hell |
| 19:41.19 | Fisker | Cide |
| 19:41.22 | Fisker | .se |
| 19:41.25 | nevcairiel | yeah thats really annoying |
| 19:41.32 | Dagmar | You're confused about why they have the different domains |
| 19:41.39 | Cide | you're confused about what the issue is |
| 19:41.44 | nevcairiel | You go to google.com |
| 19:41.48 | nevcairiel | it redirects you to google.se |
| 19:41.51 | nevcairiel | thats annoying |
| 19:41.54 | Cide | or |
| 19:41.58 | zenzelezz | google.com/ncr |
| 19:42.10 | Cide | you go to google.com, and search, and it searches swedish sites |
| 19:42.13 | nevcairiel | i know how to turn it off zenzelezz, but thats not very intuitive |
| 19:42.26 | Cide | and not supported by auto-searching in chrome or the like |
| 19:42.35 | Cide | you change the settings to search english sites |
| 19:42.41 | Cide | and now google.se searches english sites |
| 19:42.42 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I agree. Thought from what you said you didn't know, my bad |
| 19:42.43 | Cide | W T F |
| 19:43.45 | cbreak | https://encrypted.google.com/? :) |
| 19:44.17 | Dagmar | How the hell does what Google thinks you want to see have a damn thing to do with this? |
| 19:44.34 | Dagmar | They're doing those region-specific searches based on where YOU are on the internet |
| 19:44.36 | Cide | because it bases its thinking off what language my browser reports |
| 19:44.44 | Dagmar | This is not the responsibility or the job of DNS |
| 19:44.50 | cbreak | I doubt it does |
| 19:44.51 | cbreak | my browser reports english |
| 19:44.53 | cbreak | my OS is english |
| 19:44.58 | nevcairiel | yeah it uses geotracing |
| 19:45.00 | cbreak | but it still redirects to google.ch |
| 19:45.06 | cbreak | I bet it goes by provider |
| 19:45.13 | Cide | does it search google.ch in english thogh? |
| 19:45.15 | Cide | though |
| 19:45.21 | cbreak | no |
| 19:45.25 | Cide | that's stupid then |
| 19:45.37 | Dagmar | Wanting DNS to do things it's not meant to do is one of the reasons zones like .xxx are kinda stupif |
| 19:45.52 | airtonix | let me use a ssh tunnel to your machine and well test it |
| 19:45.55 | cbreak | Just tested: searched for pizza |
| 19:46.02 | cbreak | first were two swiss adverts |
| 19:46.17 | cbreak | then the first result: de.wikipedia.org's entry on pizza |
| 19:46.46 | Dagmar | "language of sites returned" != "language of page containing search results" |
| 19:47.13 | haste | Fisker: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=694105 you totally should! |
| 19:47.21 | Dagmar | "region of sites returned" != "language of sites returned" |
| 19:47.36 | Dagmar | Remember, China has more than one major language in use, and they're not the only country like that |
| 19:47.38 | airtonix | content |
| 19:47.52 | cbreak | well. the two buttons are "Google-Suche" and "Auf gut-glück" |
| 19:47.54 | nevcairiel | ch is not china |
| 19:48.08 | nevcairiel | china is cn :P |
| 19:48.15 | Dagmar | Holy crap all this time I've thought China was .zh |
| 19:48.34 | Dagmar | ...nevermind all those mail servers I used to rm -rf |
| 19:48.45 | nevcairiel | zh_CN is their language code |
| 19:48.47 | nevcairiel | i think |
| 19:48.50 | Dagmar | I guess I might be part of the reason South Africa still sucks at internets |
| 19:49.23 | airtonix | <insert afrikaaner screaming at dagmar here/> |
| 19:49.27 | cbreak | no worries |
| 19:49.28 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 19:49.28 | cbreak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain#Z |
| 19:49.32 | cbreak | zh isn't assigned |
| 19:49.32 | Cide | bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 19:49.40 | Dagmar | cbreak: I know this. |
| 19:50.07 | Cide | that seems to conflict with "<Dagmar> Holy crap all this time I've thought China was .zh" |
| 19:50.19 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.25 | Cide | unless you were under the assumption that china doesn't have a cctld |
| 19:50.35 | Dagmar | Cide: s'called sarcasm, man. I guess they don't have that in Sweden |
| 19:50.39 | Dagmar | Check under the polar bears |
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| 19:51.02 | Cide | pretty sure you're trying to cover your tracks :) |
| 19:51.03 | Dagmar | Dude I worked for iAsiaWorks during the dot-com boom. |
| 19:51.17 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure I know where the hell asia is on the internets. |
| 19:51.19 | cbreak | sounds like something from apple |
| 19:51.25 | nevcairiel | You did associate .ch with china, so something went wrong there! |
| 19:51.35 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: No, I did not. |
| 19:51.56 | nevcairiel | cbreak talked about a search on google.ch, and you talekd about major languages in china |
| 19:52.01 | nevcairiel | either completly unrelated, or fail |
| 19:52.07 | cbreak | .ch has three major languages |
| 19:52.09 | nevcairiel | i vote fail |
| 19:52.12 | Dagmar | nevcariel: No, you still don't get it. |
| 19:52.14 | cbreak | google picked german for me |
| 19:52.27 | cbreak | I am 90% sure that it does that based on provider |
| 19:52.28 | Dagmar | A language is a language, and a region is a region, and you are trying to use them for the wrong purposes |
| 19:52.32 | nevcairiel | joins Cide's side on covering the tracks |
| 19:52.50 | airtonix | smug bastards |
| 19:52.59 | cbreak | the results of google.com redirected to google.ch are presented in a german google page |
| 19:53.04 | cbreak | accompanied by german adds |
| 19:53.11 | airtonix | careful or your arsehole will implode |
| 19:53.13 | cbreak | and searched in the german language database |
| 19:53.26 | cbreak | what can we conclude? |
| 19:53.39 | airtonix | that being too smug is a health hazard |
| 19:53.47 | nevcairiel | apparently, your primary language is german |
| 19:53.51 | Cide | that your google settings are set to german |
| 19:53.55 | Cide | likely |
| 19:53.55 | cbreak | no |
| 19:54.01 | cbreak | cookies are off |
| 19:54.07 | cbreak | so no settings |
| 19:54.16 | cbreak | browser and system languages are english |
| 19:54.25 | Dagmar | That two-letter TLDs are simply country code designations so countries who were late to the party can feel smug about having their own registrar, and that country codes are of questinable utility in trying to decide on the proper language to respond in. |
| 19:54.37 | Cide | cbreak, then yeah, probably geo |
| 19:54.39 | cbreak | so google overrules the browser language header with it's IP heuristic |
| 19:54.42 | nevcairiel | thats your opinion on the matter, anyway |
| 19:55.07 | Dagmar | It's also my opinion that fire is hot. |
| 19:55.22 | airtonix | dns lookup of your wan point tells alot |
| 19:55.29 | Dagmar | ...although the aliens who live in the sun might think of it as relatively nippy. |
| 19:56.00 | nevcairiel | Its kinda obvious, you're a US person, you expect everyone to use the system you thought up |
| 19:56.09 | nevcairiel | we're not from the US, we like being able to control what page we go to =P |
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| 19:56.11 | Dagmar | yes. We invented it. |
| 19:56.12 | Dagmar | Not you. |
| 19:56.17 | Cide | "we" eh |
| 19:56.20 | Moonwitch | hey hey |
| 19:56.21 | nevcairiel | you're kidna arrogant there |
| 19:56.31 | cbreak | we invented the web |
| 19:56.33 | Dagmar | We had some specific things in mind, and every time people start throwing crap into it, it just makes it worse |
| 19:56.34 | cbreak | not the US :) |
| 19:56.36 | Cide | ^ |
| 19:56.41 | Moonwitch | pounces Cairenn with a LOUD purr. |
| 19:56.41 | Dagmar | "we" the internet people. |
| 19:56.44 | airtonix | see above : smug implosions |
| 19:56.53 | Cide | another covering of tracks imo |
| 19:57.06 | Dagmar | ...and while Berners-Lee invented HTTP, IP was invented in the US. |
| 19:57.17 | Dagmar | UUNet, invented in the US. |
| 19:57.21 | Moonwitch | osi model crap i take it ? |
| 19:57.25 | Dagmar | DARPANet, invented in the US. |
| 19:57.34 | cbreak | OSI was never very practical |
| 19:57.38 | airtonix | yes but a/c was graced on you by serbians |
| 19:57.39 | Dagmar | First two sites on teh internets: in the US |
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| 19:57.53 | nevcairiel | proper ISPs: not in the US :D |
| 19:58.01 | Moonwitch | also not in belgium |
| 19:58.03 | Moonwitch | lol |
| 19:58.21 | Cide | so your reasoning is this |
| 19:58.26 | Dagmar | DNS's sole purpose is to keep humans from having to memorize octet quadruplets. |
| 19:58.39 | cbreak | originally |
| 19:58.46 | Dagmar | No, still. |
| 19:58.47 | cbreak | but it got extended and extended... |
| 19:58.51 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: thats not its entire purpose |
| 19:58.53 | airtonix | i use dns to browse wikipedia |
| 19:58.57 | Moonwitch | has itchy stitches |
| 19:59.04 | cbreak | it's now also used to find the mail server for a certain domain name |
| 19:59.08 | nevcairiel | You can also change the IP behind a name without telling people new IPs |
| 19:59.09 | Moonwitch | airtonix: how? |
| 19:59.19 | Dagmar | I can use a hammer to install screws, but that doesn't make a hammer into a screwdriver. |
| 19:59.19 | cbreak | it's also used to find stupid microsoft anti-spam stuff |
| 19:59.28 | cbreak | it's also used for authentification |
| 19:59.46 | cbreak | it's used for lots of things that it wasn't designed to be used for |
| 19:59.53 | Dagmar | So what |
| 20:00.05 | Moonwitch | ok I´m afraid now |
| 20:00.06 | cbreak | a purpose is not given by design |
| 20:00.08 | airtonix | what was the point of this ragefest ? |
| 20:00.10 | cbreak | a purpose is given by usage |
| 20:00.15 | Dagmar | No, a purpose is given by designers. |
| 20:00.17 | Cide | so just because our uses aren't useful by your standards doesn't mean it doesn't belong |
| 20:00.49 | Dagmar | Yes but for every one of those little crackheaded examples from earlier, we can easily find two more cases where said thing DOESN'T work |
| 20:01.03 | cbreak | of course they don't work |
| 20:01.08 | cbreak | but people try anyway |
| 20:01.10 | Dagmar | ...like trying to use the freaking .CN TLD to decide someone wants their search results in "Chinese" |
| 20:01.25 | nevcairiel | makes sense to me |
| 20:01.29 | Cide | in fact, most use cases related to internationalization or languages or countries seem entirely foreign (ha) to people like you who are situated in the US and have none of the aboev issues |
| 20:01.31 | Cide | above |
| 20:01.34 | Dagmar | There's locale specifiers for that, built into HTTP for giggles |
| 20:01.51 | nevcairiel | browser don't really have a easy button to switch that |
| 20:01.58 | Dagmar | nevcariel: There's more than one language that could be construed as "Chinese". 2-3 in India IIRC |
| 20:01.58 | nevcairiel | typing in "google.cn" is alot easier |
| 20:02.03 | cbreak | too bad google ignores both country tld and HTTP header language specifiers |
| 20:02.34 | nevcairiel | Also, you cant change that on a per-site basis |
| 20:02.38 | nevcairiel | blame browsers if you wish |
| 20:02.40 | nevcairiel | but thats how it is |
| 20:02.46 | Dagmar | Thailand is a whole 'nother barrel of fascists in fact. |
| 20:03.06 | Moonwitch | my god |
| 20:03.09 | Dagmar | Should the response be in Mandarin or Thai and will someone get shot in the face if we're wrong? |
| 20:03.12 | Moonwitch | i missed you guys |
| 20:03.37 | Moonwitch | to avoid shots in the face, mandarin |
| 20:03.43 | Moonwitch | for all other goals - thai |
| 20:03.49 | Dagmar | This is actually a pretty good example of how over time, all these one-offs gang up to bend the user over a barrel and have their dirty way with them |
| 20:03.50 | Moonwitch | brb gonna be sick |
| 20:04.31 | cbreak | apple.ch offers a language selection menu :) |
| 20:04.46 | Cide | go appl--fuck apple |
| 20:04.54 | nevcairiel | apple.## redirects to apple.com/##/ anyway |
| 20:05.00 | cbreak | yes. |
| 20:05.20 | cbreak | apple.com is redirected to some dozen akamai servers anyway I bet |
| 20:05.35 | cbreak | so they don't need loadbalancing by explicit tld separation |
| 20:05.58 | nevcairiel | could still do it with geolocations |
| 20:06.22 | Dagmar | cbreak: That's acutally the reason people pay Akamai |
| 20:07.15 | cbreak | geolocations are stupid |
| 20:07.18 | Dagmar | On the issue of apple.?? someone over there probably just said "fuck it. If they're outside the US, god only knows what language people might speak" |
| 20:07.39 | Shirik | so |
| 20:07.42 | Shirik | I know I'm late |
| 20:07.44 | nevcairiel | typical arrogant US attitude, don't bother, just let the user deal with it =P |
| 20:07.44 | cbreak | not really. they offer two of the three languages used here :) |
| 20:07.52 | Shirik | but RealID only works for people that know your email address, right? |
| 20:07.52 | cbreak | so it's quite a good hit |
| 20:07.59 | Cide | Shirik, mostly |
| 20:08.01 | Shirik | mostly? |
| 20:08.04 | Dagmar | nevcariel: It's your own fault for not speaking English |
| 20:08.04 | cbreak | Shirik: your username |
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| 20:08.18 | Shirik | cbreak: ie, email address |
| 20:08.25 | cbreak | you only have one? :) |
| 20:08.27 | Cide | apparently you can add friends of your real id friends without know said people's email addr |
| 20:08.29 | nevcairiel | we do speak english, but if we want to buy a phone, the local page might be nice, because we have another currency :P |
| 20:08.41 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Again, your own fault. |
| 20:08.44 | Shirik | that's strange |
| 20:08.47 | Cide | <Dagmar> nevcariel: It's your own fault for not speaking English |
| 20:08.54 | Cide | <nevcairiel> typical arrogant US attitude |
| 20:08.57 | Cide | we have a winner |
| 20:08.59 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 20:08.59 | Dagmar | nevcariel: If you want someone else to magically speak your own language, make sure they speak your language to begin wtih |
| 20:09.04 | Cide | Shirik, aye |
| 20:09.22 | Cide | then again, "typical arrogant US attitude" is stereotypical in itself :P |
| 20:09.23 | Dagmar | Cide: Typical euro-centric bullshit |
| 20:09.30 | Cide | see above |
| 20:09.34 | Shirik | have they got backlash from that? |
| 20:09.39 | Cide | yep |
| 20:09.44 | nevcairiel | alot, but they dont care |
| 20:09.44 | Cide | at least from people in here |
| 20:09.48 | Shirik | any thoughts on whether or not they will change it? |
| 20:09.55 | Cide | I don't claim that US people are arrogant, I just claim that you are, Dagmar |
| 20:10.05 | Cide | Shirik, probably not, but /shrug |
| 20:10.11 | Dagmar | Complaining that the US shoudln't expect everyone to speak their language while simultaneously expecting people in the US to speak everyone else's language is possibly a sign that it's time to have your water checked for heavy metals. |
| 20:10.12 | nevcairiel | remember that realid also enables friends of your friends to see your real name and whatever |
| 20:10.13 | cbreak | the americans I work with aren't arogant |
| 20:10.21 | cbreak | maybe that's because they aren't in the US |
| 20:10.27 | Dagmar | It's either stupidity or hypocracy |
| 20:10.29 | cbreak | could it be the water supply? |
| 20:10.32 | Cide | Shirik, if they don't *know* their email they won't *find* your email though, if that's what you're concerned about |
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| 20:10.40 | nevcairiel | I expect everyone to speak english |
| 20:10.46 | Shirik | it's not |
| 20:11.05 | Cide | real ID friends of your real ID friends can see your real name though |
| 20:11.23 | nevcairiel | thats like the worst feature of it |
| 20:11.25 | Cide | and they can add you as a real id friend (with the whole mutual accept/decline procedure, naturally) |
| 20:11.27 | nevcairiel | screw social networks |
| 20:11.34 | Shirik | ^ |
| 20:11.39 | Shirik | no more facebook in my wow |
| 20:11.42 | Shirik | ty |
| 20:11.43 | eidolarr | can you opt out of the real id stuff completely |
| 20:11.48 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 20:11.52 | Shirik | never approve anyone |
| 20:11.55 | eidolarr | it seems like everyone wants to be a social network these days |
| 20:12.03 | nevcairiel | enable parental controls, and realid is disabled :d |
| 20:12.13 | nevcairiel | even if you dont limit playtime |
| 20:12.33 | Dagmar | "My child plays WoW. He doesn't need real friends." |
| 20:12.34 | Dagmar | Hehhe |
| 20:12.38 | eidolarr | yeah but what about my dignity |
| 20:12.39 | mikma | hah |
| 20:12.55 | cbreak | I like that |
| 20:13.00 | Cide | Shirik, you're not very good at hiding your real name though :P |
| 20:13.07 | Shirik | not the point! |
| 20:13.09 | cbreak | but when I tried to enable parental protection, it required a separate blizzard account |
| 20:13.15 | cbreak | so I gave up on that |
| 20:13.16 | Dagmar | ...alternative version: "My child has a 1900 rating on a PvP server. He's barely suitable for polite company, let alone able to keep friends." |
| 20:13.17 | Cide | yeah I know |
| 20:13.47 | Dagmar | cbreak: How effective would these parental controls be, do you think, if you could enable and disable them yourself? |
| 20:13.48 | Iriel | Bear in mind that some companies use only one language for their web page because they're only comfortable that they're stating things correctly in that one language, it can be difficult to be certain they have an accurate translation without some fairly expensive translation services. |
| 20:14.04 | Cide | Iriel, yep |
| 20:14.07 | eidolarr | Dagmar: just as effective as they are in other games where you need a separate "parental unlock" code to modify those settings |
| 20:14.08 | Cide | paypal tries and fails |
| 20:14.18 | cbreak | Dagmar: a second password would be enough |
| 20:14.21 | Dagmar | Iriel: With that in mind, my friend and guild leader Gaines Post is available for translating a number of asian languages :) |
| 20:14.22 | cbreak | Dagmar: like in WoW |
| 20:14.29 | Cide | (recently I was presented with the Swedish equivalent of "Homepage" for "Home [phone number]") |
| 20:14.39 | Dagmar | MAH KEYS! MAH KID LOGGZ THEM! |
| 20:14.54 | Iriel | Dagmar: How would a company know he was qualified, they'd need to hire a second translator to back-translate the first tranlation |
| 20:14.57 | eidolarr | that is when you whip them with a belt |
| 20:15.10 | Iriel | Then theyd need trusted 3rd parties to verify the capabilities of one or both of them |
| 20:15.10 | cbreak | don't give your kids local admin access :) |
| 20:15.25 | Iriel | it's just way harder than it naively sounds when the content is "important" |
| 20:15.26 | mikma | well |
| 20:15.26 | Dagmar | eidolarr: My guess is that Blizz doesn't want the support calls from parents who are blinkers and thusly can't remember the parental control password for more than five minutes |
| 20:15.35 | eidolarr | or don't let your kids play wow, if they want to give out their real name that badly they can do so without realID |
| 20:15.36 | Dagmar | I mean, players are bad enough |
| 20:15.40 | mikma | usually kids are the "admins" of your computer |
| 20:15.46 | Dagmar | Now imagine you're getting calls from people too dim to play video games |
| 20:15.48 | eidolarr | yeah but idk how a second account addresses that lol |
| 20:16.01 | Cide | is that english, eidolarr? |
| 20:16.07 | mikma | "hey daddy i installed this cool pornsoftware for you!" 'gee, thanks son!' |
| 20:16.10 | Dagmar | At least the bar has been raised to the point where you know they can login and spell their own username reliably |
| 20:16.15 | eidolarr | Cide: yes |
| 20:16.19 | Iriel | A second account means that things like CC# and settings are isolated completely from the 'controlled' account |
| 20:16.23 | Iriel | It's a pretty good model IMHO |
| 20:16.27 | Iriel | It also scales well to multiple children |
| 20:16.36 | eidolarr | hahaha man I am using that line in the future |
| 20:16.36 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 20:16.38 | Dagmar | ...which keeps the kiddies from calling up and social engineering daddies password out of Blizz |
| 20:16.40 | eidolarr | "scales well to multiple children" |
| 20:16.46 | cbreak | that sounds terifying |
| 20:17.03 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Like the extra-long 15-passenger windowless Ford. :) |
| 20:17.33 | Iriel | And it means there are different email addresses for comments about the child's account to the child, and about the master account to the parent |
| 20:17.37 | Cide | "does your website scale" "yes... certainly" "how much?" "well... at least 4 or 5 I think... I don't think we support sextuplets yet." "... wat?" |
| 20:17.50 | Iriel | The one-account-two-passwords approach is massively crippled from the outset |
| 20:17.51 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 20:18.12 | Iriel | It would essentially boil down to "protect me from myself" |
| 20:18.21 | Dagmar | Iriel++ |
| 20:18.35 | Cide | which is what this conversation is about, funnily enough |
| 20:18.38 | Cide | "how do I disable real ID?" |
| 20:18.44 | cbreak | "You do want to add a realid friend. Allow or Deny"? |
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| 20:19.07 | Iriel | You can disable real id by not saying 'yes' |
| 20:19.13 | Cide | exactly |
| 20:19.15 | Iriel | You could even make an addon that stops you from being able to say yes |
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| 20:19.20 | Blia | r |
| 20:19.21 | Cide | not in sc2 |
| 20:19.22 | Blia | re |
| 20:19.28 | Iriel | So dont play SC2 8-) |
| 20:19.28 | cbreak | I doubt addons can influence that |
| 20:19.34 | Cide | you wow-centric son-of-a! |
| 20:19.35 | eidolarr | I think the problem is that if your 8 year old is playnig they might not understand what's going on, or they might misclick |
| 20:19.52 | Iriel | But how did the other person get your 8 year old's email address? |
| 20:20.06 | Blia | if I have several <onload></onload> in <scripts></scripts> will I get an error or not ? |
| 20:20.11 | Iriel | I mean really, if your 8 year old is on battle.net unsupervised, either they know the risks, or the parent doesn't care |
| 20:20.14 | Cide | the other person may just as well have given him/her their own email addr |
| 20:20.17 | Iriel | Bibi: Yes |
| 20:20.19 | Iriel | Err |
| 20:20.21 | Iriel | Blia: Yes |
| 20:20.24 | Iriel | Silly tab complete |
| 20:20.34 | Dagmar | Iriel: Parents like that need a visit |
| 20:20.35 | Blia | ok |
| 20:20.40 | eidolarr | Iriel: that's true, but tbh it's hard to supervise kids on the internet |
| 20:20.42 | Iriel | Dagmar: agreed |
| 20:20.49 | Dagmar | eidolarr: It's acutally not that damn hard |
| 20:20.52 | Iriel | eidolarr: so create a second account, set up parental controls, done |
| 20:20.55 | eidolarr | like, if your kid is old enough to be able to do it themselves and play the game, but not totally mature, like say 11-14 |
| 20:20.57 | Iriel | This is a solved problem |
| 20:21.01 | Dagmar | You stand right behind them and watch them. |
| 20:21.10 | Iriel | (In the context of blizzard and battle.net, that is) |
| 20:21.20 | Cide | for 4 hours a day |
| 20:21.20 | Cide | awesome |
| 20:21.23 | Iriel | Maybe they shouldn't be online for 4 hours a day |
| 20:21.26 | cbreak | with a whip and an evil grin? |
| 20:21.26 | Dagmar | It's harder to supervise them in a city park, because they can probably OUTRUN mommy and daddy, but sitting in a desk chair where they gonna go? |
| 20:21.32 | Iriel | at that age |
| 20:21.32 | cbreak | and sunglasss! |
| 20:21.33 | Cide | 8 year olds? likely not |
| 20:21.41 | Cide | but a few years older and it's common |
| 20:21.41 | Dagmar | ...but parents just go APESHIT if strangers start talking to their kid in a city park |
| 20:21.48 | Iriel | Many of us only developed our terrible slacker habits once we were old enough to be responsible for our own worthlessness 8-) |
| 20:21.54 | Dagmar | So no, the argument that it's hard to supervise children on the internet is dumb |
| 20:21.57 | Cide | speak for yourself :P |
| 20:22.10 | Dagmar | You are either supervising them, or you are wandering off waiting for the guy in the van to show up and offer them candy. |
| 20:22.14 | eidolarr | Iriel: I guess this is my issue: the second account is like a second hoop to jump thruogh for parents who might not be that interested in the game, or tech savvy |
| 20:22.23 | jnwhiteh | Iriel: my implementation is 54 times slower than Lua's =) |
| 20:22.32 | jnwhiteh | mainly because I had to implement a type to be *char |
| 20:22.35 | Iriel | eidolarr: But the 'hoop' is NECESSARY to provide an effective protection |
| 20:22.46 | Iriel | Blizzard made, in my opinion, the right choice - Do it properly, or not at all. |
| 20:23.00 | Iriel | If you care, you'll jump through the hoop, you wont take the easy way out without realizing it's deeply flawed |
| 20:23.19 | eidolarr | my uncle used the 2nd-pw parental controls quite effectively on my cousins for years (although admittedly he would have been able to figure out the new system) |
| 20:23.28 | Iriel | If anything it also serves as an incentive for a parent to BECOME engaged. |
| 20:23.31 | eidolarr | setting a password is much simpler than creating an account |
| 20:24.11 | eidolarr | I see that it's a good system once you're engaged, but don't you think it will discourage some people? |
| 20:24.24 | Iriel | it might, but they probably shouldn't be letting their kids online unsupervised |
| 20:24.55 | eidolarr | fair enough, I only worry for the parents who aren't technologically knowledgeable |
| 20:25.05 | Dagmar | All they need to do is watch the kid |
| 20:25.09 | Iriel | Suppose you knew NOTHING about firearms |
| 20:25.17 | Iriel | would you let your child go rifle shooting? |
| 20:25.33 | eidolarr | i'm not buying it |
| 20:25.39 | eidolarr | a firearm is immediately and obviously dangerous |
| 20:25.45 | Dagmar | People give little Timmy a pair of ought-sixes and drop them off half a block from the library all the time |
| 20:25.47 | Iriel | You'd learn enough, or you'd find a 3rd party who knew enough to advise you. |
| 20:25.49 | eidolarr | a video game is not, especially to someone who maybe played pacman when it was new |
| 20:26.00 | eidolarr | and nothing since |
| 20:26.02 | Iriel | If bob's parent doesn't know how to do it, he probably knows another parent or adult who does |
| 20:26.07 | Iriel | The GAME is not the problem |
| 20:26.12 | Iriel | the OTHER PEOPLE IT IS CONNECTED TO are |
| 20:26.25 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 20:26.46 | Iriel | Like shirik - just imagine a small child with unfettered access to him? |
| 20:26.55 | eidolarr | I guess it's moot because if you didn't understand the danger you wouldn't use the 2nd-password system anyway |
| 20:26.56 | Iriel | It's be a parent's worst nightmare |
| 20:26.59 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:27.08 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 20:27.11 | Cide | hahaha |
| 20:27.11 | Iriel | The never ending series of "why..." questions |
| 20:27.23 | eidolarr | clearly parents need to have mandatory law and order hours to become terrified of everything |
| 20:27.27 | Dagmar | Iriel should come co-speak with me the next time I give a "How to more effectively sell your children on the internet" lecture |
| 20:27.33 | Cide | I think this is where we need /thread on irc |
| 20:28.23 | cbreak | I don't know that command |
| 20:28.25 | cbreak | what is it good for? |
| 20:28.28 | Dagmar | (Note: that goes on the first slide, NOT on the sawhorse outside the lecture hall) |
| 20:28.49 | Dagmar | You put that on a sandwich board and someone'll pop a cap in you |
| 20:28.52 | Iriel | eidolarr: the point is that the real effort to set up a second account is minimal, FAR less than getting a legal document or obtaining a drivers license or for that matter even negotiating a 'come home by X' curfew when they visit a friend. |
| 20:29.15 | Iriel | eidolarr: it's done once, blizzard will likely help you if you dont know what you are doing, and your child is motivated to help as well since they want to play the game |
| 20:29.15 | Dagmar | Iriel: More effective, too |
| 20:29.42 | Iriel | eidolarr: All of your objections seem based on the perspective of the child, not on the whole system. |
| 20:29.48 | Dagmar | The last time I was out past curfew (when it mattered) I didn't notice any legal documents coming around to drag me home |
| 20:29.55 | Iriel | (that is, child, parent, blizzard, general good sense and system design_ |
| 20:30.48 | cbreak | it would be much easier if they just had a checkbox for "Disable 'social' Features (FaceBook/RealID)" |
| 20:32.57 | nevcairiel | then the kid could turn it back on |
| 20:33.17 | cbreak | too bad... |
| 20:33.24 | cbreak | I want to disable it for myself |
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| 20:37.19 | foxlit | cbreak: I want to disable it for myself << setup parental controls for yourself? |
| 20:38.38 | cbreak | yeah, I thought about that |
| 20:38.43 | cbreak | but it seemed a bit roundabout |
| 20:39.11 | cbreak | maybe I'll do it once it goes live |
| 20:41.32 | Moonwitch | hospital connections suck balls btw |
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| 20:43.09 | Moonwitch | hey p3lim |
| 20:43.15 | Iriel | Isn't the easiest solution (a) use an email address specificly for the game, which nobody else knows (b) never ever link your social network accounts to your battle.net account? |
| 20:43.16 | p3lim | hey moonwitch |
| 20:43.38 | Cide | note that (b) is not a requirement for the facebook feature to work for sc2 |
| 20:44.08 | Iriel | How does that possibly work? |
| 20:44.09 | Cide | I believe it tries the facebook email address otherwise, and if they happen to coincide, still works |
| 20:44.16 | cbreak | I don't have any social network accounts anyway, the reason I want to disable it is because it takes up screen space :) |
| 20:44.30 | Iriel | Really? if that's the case it's a massive privacy failure from blizzard |
| 20:44.34 | Iriel | which should be fixed REGARDLESS |
| 20:44.36 | Cide | I *believe* so |
| 20:44.40 | Cide | I haven't verified it |
| 20:44.48 | Cide | but I got a friend request through the facebook feature during the sc2 beta |
| 20:44.54 | Cide | and I don't believe I linked the accounts together |
| 20:44.58 | Cide | but they both use the same email address |
| 20:45.11 | Iriel | Getting a request **FROM** facebook isn't the same |
| 20:45.22 | Iriel | And (a) solves that issue |
| 20:45.29 | Cide | (a) solves that issue, yes |
| 20:45.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah it probably took the email addresses of all your friends facebook friends and checked to see if they were in the battle.net system |
| 20:45.59 | Iriel | I thought you were implying that SC2 was sharing your information TO facebook without your permission or any kind of setup within battle.net |
| 20:46.07 | Cide | oh, no; my bad |
| 20:46.37 | Cide | yeah, Arrowmaster |
| 20:46.54 | Cide | and that's why the whole facebook integration is massively overplayed by people |
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| 20:47.07 | Cide | because if they have a facebook account all information is already available to all your friends afaik |
| 20:47.15 | Cide | they could just as well do the same procedure but manually |
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| 20:50.51 | Cide- | so here's a funny little issue |
| 20:51.14 | Cide- | I have an external usb drive |
| 20:51.27 | Thunder_Child | fery funny |
| 20:51.33 | Thunder_Child | very* |
| 20:51.54 | Cide- | and every time I take the usb connector and place it next to the usb female connector on my desktop, my computer reboots |
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| 20:52.09 | Thunder_Child | short? |
| 20:52.22 | Dagmar | Very likely |
| 20:52.40 | Dagmar | I don't know that I'd consider a 5V zap to be funny tho |
| 20:53.10 | Cide- | it is funny |
| 20:53.31 | Cide- | fun? no, but definitely funny |
| 20:54.09 | Fierceflame | Question: I want the string thats entered after a slash command to be split, where do I hav eto place the function call to split it? As I've got no idea when/how stuff is called or inw aht order. Piece of code: http://toptop18.pastey.net/138088 |
| 20:56.39 | Dagmar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command |
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| 20:57.44 | Moonwitch | your function would need to be created before it can be called (aka slashcommandlist at bottom_ |
| 20:58.11 | Fierceflame | Ye got that, somewhat older pastey :p |
| 20:58.49 | Fierceflame | So what i get from it is that I can just call the parsing function after SLASH_ENABLEPVPSETTINGS1 = "/enablepvp" and before my messages table? |
| 20:59.52 | Fierceflame | Ohno wait |
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| 21:00.08 | Fierceflame | Ohwait, yes Ic an :D |
| 21:00.57 | Fierceflame | One mroe question, in the local function handler(msg, editbox), what does the handler do? |
| 21:03.50 | Moonwitch | Cairenn: ping |
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| 21:11.40 | Jamash | pep pep |
| 21:11.59 | Lopeppeppy | Tha's me. |
| 21:15.38 | Fierceflame | xD |
| 21:15.55 | Fierceflame | So can anyone answer the question a few lines above ^^ |
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| 21:28.13 | cogwheel | Fisker is like /dev/null of #wowuidev. If you have something to say that isn't addressed to anyone, but you want to make it look like it is, prefix it with "Fisker:" |
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| 21:37.20 | Dagmar | Fierceflame: It handles things. |
| 21:38.00 | Dagmar | w00t! in b4 timeout |
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| 21:43.25 | airtonix | cogwheel, does this mean fisker is a bot ? |
| 21:46.17 | foxlit | Let's try that. |
| 21:46.22 | foxlit | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMupsZAPm9I |
| 21:47.46 | Dagmar | No, you are using the wrong bait. Try this |
| 21:47.49 | Dagmar | Fisker: http://thatwillbuffout.com/2010/06/27/funny-car-photos-the-other-half-of-the-car-bra-didnt-sell-as-well-as-expected/ |
| 21:51.27 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 21:54.16 | Jamash | untrue |
| 21:54.18 | Jamash | http://www.breaktaker.com/albums/pictures/transportation/BoobsCar.jpg |
| 21:59.38 | Arrowmaster | god damnit, nicole is kicking my ass in DOA4 |
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| 22:03.44 | Moonwitch | we need a "finger" command on irc |
| 22:04.41 | Arrowmaster | there is |
| 22:04.43 | Jamash | fingers Moonwitch. |
| 22:05.01 | Jamash | you really set yourself up for that one |
| 22:05.06 | Moonwitch | I know |
| 22:05.25 | Moonwitch | hey, I got tolk I'm not supposed to have sex for 2 months post op |
| 22:05.40 | Moonwitch | told* |
| 22:05.46 | Jamash | ouch |
| 22:07.04 | Moonwitch | lol |
| 22:07.50 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: how do you use it? |
| 22:08.11 | Arrowmaster | well actually its the unix finger command |
| 22:08.16 | airtonix | hard drugs |
| 22:08.20 | Arrowmaster | its still built into some irc clients but not many |
| 22:08.28 | Jamash | uh, are there any finger servers running anymore? |
| 22:08.29 | Arrowmaster | and you have to have a unix finger server running |
| 22:08.33 | Jamash | ah |
| 22:08.50 | airtonix | what was the point of finger again ? |
| 22:08.58 | Jamash | to poke people in the eye |
| 22:09.22 | Jamash | actually it's a very primitive form of status message |
| 22:09.22 | Arrowmaster | to get info on a person |
| 22:09.35 | airtonix | so like |
| 22:09.37 | airtonix | twitter |
| 22:09.41 | Jamash | you used to be able to find out what John Carmack was up to via finger |
| 22:09.42 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:10.00 | Arrowmaster | except it was pull not push |
| 22:10.16 | Moonwitch | funny though |
| 22:10.27 | Moonwitch | mIRC lists 2 types of fingering on irc |
| 22:10.31 | airtonix | i still have to 'pull' a list of status messages from twitter |
| 22:10.33 | Moonwitch | I would say 3 or even 4 |
| 22:11.10 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: well most things are still pull even if they are considered more push like than previous things |
| 22:11.42 | Arrowmaster | anything using http will always be pull |
| 22:11.52 | Jamash | they're working on push web content |
| 22:12.04 | Arrowmaster | thats not really possible |
| 22:12.05 | airtonix | >.> |
| 22:12.14 | Jamash | I think it requires an update to http |
| 22:12.15 | airtonix | forms ? |
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| 22:12.26 | airtonix | stupid words |
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| 22:12.38 | airtonix | feeds the words to fisker |
| 22:12.39 | Jamash | Web Sockets |
| 22:12.39 | Shirik | lkajfpoa |
| 22:12.40 | Shirik | jof aw o |
| 22:12.48 | Shirik | screw apple |
| 22:12.54 | airtonix | inorite |
| 22:13.04 | Shirik | I think Microsoft did this intentionally actually |
| 22:13.06 | Jamash | apple is the new microsoft |
| 22:13.13 | Arrowmaster | there are things like what google uses for the gtalk client and other stuff where it keeps an http session open for a very long time without sending any data and either lets it time out or sends the data when its available |
| 22:13.16 | Jamash | microsoft is the new IBM |
| 22:13.17 | Shirik | itunes is the only program I have ever seen where I can type "itunes" into the start menu |
| 22:13.19 | airtonix | inb4cide |
| 22:13.25 | Shirik | and it will open up the "about itunes" document instead of itunes |
| 22:13.33 | Arrowmaster | but thats still pull because you are initiating the connection to the server |
| 22:13.55 | Jamash | Arrowmaster: HTML5 has new features for true bidirectional communications |
| 22:14.05 | Moonwitch | meh i just annoyed the night nurse by exiting for a smoke |
| 22:14.14 | Moonwitch | now i need her to give me pain pills |
| 22:14.17 | airtonix | Moonwitch, was she hot ? |
| 22:14.20 | Moonwitch | no |
| 22:14.23 | airtonix | :( |
| 22:14.28 | Moonwitch | but she is a nice person |
| 22:14.38 | airtonix | guess its ok then |
| 22:14.41 | Moonwitch | i just cant fucking sleep in this heat |
| 22:14.44 | airtonix | jumps the night nurse |
| 22:14.48 | Arrowmaster | i still dont know that much about html5 because i havent seen anything that lists changes between html4/xhtml1 and it |
| 22:15.12 | Arrowmaster | i thought most of the changes seemed to be DOM stuff for javascript |
| 22:15.13 | Jamash | why is my anchor bookmarklet not working |
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| 22:15.20 | Jamash | there are huge new things |
| 22:15.28 | airtonix | leik ? |
| 22:15.30 | Jamash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5#Differences_from_HTML_4.01_and_XHTML_1.x |
| 22:15.42 | Arrowmaster | wow how did i miss that |
| 22:15.45 | Moonwitch | so, ask painmeds or suffer silently? |
| 22:16.02 | Jamash | ask painmeds |
| 22:16.07 | Jamash | squeaky wheel etc |
| 22:16.16 | Moonwitch | lol |
| 22:17.31 | Jamash | also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Sockets |
| 22:17.49 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: ah they dropped acronym? |
| 22:18.04 | Arrowmaster | i liked acronym |
| 22:18.16 | airtonix | YAY NO MORE FONT TAG! |
| 22:18.25 | airtonix | DIE |
| 22:18.29 | Jamash | <abbr> is fine |
| 22:19.15 | Jamash | I like the samples of marked-up documents in the HTML5 spec |
| 22:19.16 | Moonwitch | she is pissed |
| 22:19.28 | Jamash | one of them is a technical description of how Stargates work in the SG1 universe |
| 22:19.58 | Moonwitch | Jamash: link? |
| 22:20.05 | airtonix | Moonwitch, i would be too if i was an ugly night nurse |
| 22:20.23 | Moonwitch | shhhhh shes a nice person |
| 22:21.05 | Moonwitch | ok nite nite guys ... |
| 22:21.15 | Moonwitch | gotta go to bed now |
| 22:21.18 | airtonix | yay. hard drugs. |
| 22:21.21 | Jamash | lemme see |
| 22:21.24 | Moonwitch | uh huh |
| 22:21.28 | Moonwitch | the good shit man |
| 22:25.26 | Jamash | well moonwitch is gone but for anyone still interested, http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-mark-element |
| 22:26.29 | Jamash | that section also contains commentary on an XKCD strip about cryptography |
| 22:29.11 | Jamash | what the hell is this in google reader settings: "Sort by newest", "Sort by oldest", "Sort by magic" |
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| 22:43.48 | haste | Jamash: http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2009/10/reading-gets-personal-with-popular.html |
| 22:52.18 | Jamash | creeepy |
| 22:55.26 | Dagmar | Now you see... Isn't "magic" a much better looking word than "Sort by stalking" |
| 22:55.38 | Jamash | sure |
| 22:58.41 | Jamash | argh webcomics |
| 23:10.40 | Antiarc | Man |
| 23:10.43 | Antiarc | Dropbox is so damn awesome |
| 23:11.35 | Shirik | no |
| 23:11.38 | Shirik | dropbox can diaf |
| 23:11.42 | Jamash | tell me more |
| 23:11.57 | Shirik | tell me more, tell me more, did you get very far? |
| 23:12.03 | Jerub | i <3 dropbox |
| 23:12.03 | Jamash | specifically, how much does it cost? |
| 23:12.06 | Kalroth | drops Antiarc in his own box and watches as Antiarc is copied |
| 23:12.07 | Shirik | free |
| 23:12.12 | Jamash | lies |
| 23:12.13 | Shirik | to a certain size |
| 23:12.14 | Kalroth | free for cheapass space |
| 23:12.15 | Jamash | ah |
| 23:12.19 | durcyn | free accounts get 2gb |
| 23:12.24 | Antiarc | It's free up to a certain amount |
| 23:12.31 | Antiarc | It's amazing for collaboration |
| 23:12.38 | Shirik | no |
| 23:12.40 | Shirik | it's not |
| 23:12.41 | Jamash | I have a TB raid array available via ssh |
| 23:12.44 | Shirik | it's awful for collaboration |
| 23:12.45 | Antiarc | Why not? |
| 23:12.46 | Jamash | so... |
| 23:12.51 | Shirik | because you get people writing over each other's changes |
| 23:12.53 | Antiarc | I'm working with our art guy, and he shared a folder in his dropbox, and it appears in mine and it's there on my HD |
| 23:12.54 | durcyn | Jamash: only 1tb? |
| 23:12.56 | Shirik | give me real version control any day |
| 23:13.01 | Jamash | durcyn: I built it a while ago |
| 23:13.10 | Antiarc | Well, you should use version control for things that need version control |
| 23:13.16 | Antiarc | But if it's "I need those art assets" |
| 23:13.17 | Antiarc | It's amazing |
| 23:13.25 | Jamash | can't you install a repository on to dropbox? |
| 23:13.42 | Shirik | if you want to blow up your repository, sure |
| 23:13.45 | Jamash | ah |
| 23:13.52 | Kalroth | lol |
| 23:14.02 | durcyn | collaboration with cretins involved in things like art assets, i'd buy. |
| 23:14.07 | Shirik | for the same reason that you can't do more than one operation on a working copy at once, that is very unsafe |
| 23:14.16 | Jamash | sounds poorly designed |
| 23:14.25 | Shirik | ? |
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| 23:14.38 | Shirik | It's like running two copies of WoW at once and then complaining when your config.wtf goes to hell |
| 23:15.26 | durcyn | well, depending on the vcs, some have decent locking |
| 23:15.31 | Jamash | still, having 2g for free sounds convenient |
| 23:15.40 | durcyn | but Shirik really does enjoy pedantry, therefore, |
| 23:15.45 | Jamash | yes he does |
| 23:17.23 | Jamash | now why would "nslookup shodan" work but "ssh shodan" fail with "non-recoverable failure in name resolution"? |
| 23:17.35 | durcyn | caching. |
| 23:17.50 | durcyn | 1. /etc/init.d/nscd restart |
| 23:18.05 | durcyn | 2. alias nslookup="echo use host, dumbass" |
| 23:18.06 | Jamash | sorry, I should have mentioned I'm using cygwin |
| 23:18.10 | durcyn | oh. |
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| 23:18.21 | durcyn | still caching. ipconfig /flushdns |
| 23:18.46 | durcyn | or dscacheutil -flushcache on osx, while we're on the subject of pedantry |
| 23:19.48 | Corrodias | dscacheutil. cache and utility i can pick out, what's DS i wonder? |
| 23:22.12 | Jamash | at a guess, directory services |
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| 23:25.47 | Jamash | looks like windows utils have no problem, cygwin utils don't work with intranet names |
| 23:26.01 | Jamash | maybe the windows utils are falling back to netbios naming |
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| 23:41.36 | Thunder_Child | did the patch change heric gunship battle to count for normal? |
| 23:41.45 | Thunder_Child | heroic* |
| 23:42.11 | Jamash | is there a way to have different irc nicks in different channels, using a single client connection? |
| 23:42.54 | Thunder_Child | on different server yes |
| 23:42.58 | Thunder_Child | servers* |
| 23:43.22 | Jamash | I'm only connected to freenode |
| 23:43.44 | Jamash | I'd like to use Jamash in wow-related channels but other nicks in non-wow-related channels |
| 23:47.32 | foxlit | Jamash: no. |
| 23:47.32 | Jamash | ah well |
| 23:47.32 | foxlit | You cannot have two nicks on one connection. |
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| 23:47.32 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626453026&sid=1 |
| 23:47.35 | foxlit | That threat bugs me. |
| 23:47.48 | foxlit | Why do they insist on emulating the behavior of a chat edit box? |
| 23:47.58 | foxlit | Why not just run the command handler directly? |
| 23:48.04 | Jamash | sssh |
| 23:49.00 | Jamash | so, call them out |
| 23:49.08 | foxlit | Wrong continent |
| 23:49.17 | Jamash | oh, I'll call them out for you then |
| 23:49.49 | foxlit | Besides, they already linked the wowwiki page that says "use this direct method" |
| 23:49.54 | Jamash | lawl |
| 23:50.06 | foxlit | and then, a way down, "alternatively, you may mess with edit boxes like so" |
| 23:50.37 | Jamash | I'm not responsible for stupid people existing |
| 23:51.18 | Jamash | it would take too long to murder them all |
| 23:54.52 | Jamash | what's local _G = _G for |
| 23:55.36 | Wobin | make the global reference a local one |
| 23:55.40 | Wobin | faster lookup |
| 23:55.49 | Jamash | huh |
| 23:56.41 | Wobin | also, 'ssh shodan' probably fails, because she doesn't want your connection to be encrypted. She already knows what you're trying to do. |
| 23:57.01 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: I didn't think there -was- a heroic Gunship |
| 23:57.39 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: there is a heroic mode, but it's == non-heroic |
| 23:58.24 | Wobin | ie, there not being a heroic mode? |
