| 00:01.10 | Thunder_Child | http://cdn.steampowered.com/v/gfx/clusters/sale_summer/b514eff4/footer_warning_english.jpg?t=1277419023 lol |
| 00:01.56 | WobWork | that's because people DIE before they can warn anyone =( |
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| 00:03.57 | Thunder_Child | http://store.steampowered.com/sub/4603/ |
| 00:06.15 | Kraps | WHY ARE THEY HAVING SALES NOW |
| 00:06.26 | Dagmar | Because it's really hot outside. |
| 00:06.43 | Kraps | GOOD ANSWER |
| 00:06.50 | Dagmar | Note the byline: "PLAY IT SAFE. STAY INSIDE. SAVE BIG." |
| 00:06.56 | Thunder_Child | hmm...popcap's stuff is on sale as well |
| 00:07.07 | WobWork | eofys |
| 00:07.28 | WobWork | also http://jwz.livejournal.com/1254456.html |
| 00:08.58 | Kraps | ah shit |
| 00:09.25 | Kraps | you can have steam on multiple pcs right? |
| 00:09.31 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 00:09.38 | Thunder_Child | but only one active at once |
| 00:09.43 | Kraps | shitshit |
| 00:09.52 | Kraps | whats that mean? |
| 00:10.12 | Thunder_Child | you log in with an account, an account can only be on one steam cliant at a time |
| 00:10.22 | Dagmar | It means you're not going to be playing head-to-head against yourself with only one steam account |
| 00:10.24 | Thunder_Child | games are linked to an acount |
| 00:11.09 | Kraps | like, it has to be shut off on pc1 to use it on pc2 |
| 00:11.31 | Thunder_Child | no, it simply logs you out of all other stea mclients |
| 00:11.37 | Thunder_Child | steam clients* |
| 00:11.44 | Thunder_Child | assuming you were logged in on another |
| 00:11.56 | Kraps | ah even better |
| 00:13.18 | Thunder_Child | however, i think it will kick you out of a game if the account you are using is logged in somewhere else |
| 00:13.35 | Thunder_Child | it may give you some buffer time, i am not sure |
| 00:14.27 | Dagmar | What it amounts to is probably best-of-breed for copy protection |
| 00:15.46 | Kraps | i'm taking my pc upstate tomorrow, i want to put steam on my dads pc so i can use it on either pc when i travel back and forth for work |
| 00:15.59 | Dagmar | It's not annoying, it's reasonably effective, and it comes with a boatload of value-add for the consumer, which is something most other gaming companies seem to have NO FREAKING CLUE about |
| 00:16.00 | Thunder_Child | it does seem to have missed the dick in the ass that EA and various others have been doing |
| 00:16.17 | Dagmar | Yeah, Steam apparently contains no forced sodomy |
| 00:16.31 | Dagmar | Just that that's a selling point says horrible things about the rest of the industry |
| 00:16.44 | Thunder_Child | well there was a bit of that for a short time but it was quickly....'ficed' |
| 00:16.48 | Thunder_Child | fixed* |
| 00:16.59 | Kraps | so what i'm saying makes sense? |
| 00:17.02 | Dagmar | Achievements, social networking, cloud saves, and most importantly... |
| 00:17.10 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: yes |
| 00:17.15 | Xyphoid | * forced sodomy frequency reduced |
| 00:17.18 | Kraps | wiiiiin |
| 00:17.18 | Dagmar | ...automatic downloading and patching of the stuff you own, as often as need be. |
| 00:17.19 | Thunder_Child | however you will need to DL it on each platform |
| 00:17.34 | Kraps | oh the games ya |
| 00:17.37 | Dagmar | I was freaking blown away when I bought HL2: EP1&2 and started looking for my HL2 discs... |
| 00:17.38 | Kraps | np |
| 00:17.48 | Xyphoid | yeah, i love that |
| 00:17.48 | Dagmar | ...then I noticed, holy crap it knows I own HL2 so it's just downloading the entire lot |
| 00:18.04 | Xyphoid | and the ability to buy games when they're on special even if you don't even have a machine that can run them |
| 00:18.11 | Kraps | i love cloud saving |
| 00:18.38 | Dagmar | Like, that is so badass. |
| 00:18.41 | Thunder_Child | one of the things i am unhappy with is that you cant use the dev's patch but have to wait till steam does their own thing |
| 00:18.53 | Thunder_Child | though it is fairly minor |
| 00:19.06 | Dagmar | When Fallout: Vegas hits, I'll probably buy a second copy of Fallout through Steam just to keep things simple |
| 00:19.12 | Kraps | upgrading to win7 deleted all my steam games; no prob just dl and start from where you left off |
| 00:19.48 | Kraps | Dagmar: why not just buy it on steam w/o the hassle of a box? |
| 00:19.54 | Dagmar | The way EA treats downloading, you'd think they were connecting their datacenter to the internet through AT&T on a cell phone |
| 00:20.13 | Dagmar | Kraps: because I've already got the box copy of Fallout |
| 00:20.31 | ZorbaGama | yeah, steam is pretty much just It Works Right |
| 00:20.33 | Dagmar | 'cept when there's sequels, Steam tends to put the original on sale just to entice people to do that |
| 00:20.40 | Xyphoid | a lot of games you can enter the cdkey from the physical copy into steam right? |
| 00:20.48 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: That I have not seen happen yet |
| 00:20.52 | Dagmar | It would be cool tho |
| 00:20.57 | Thunder_Child | you could in the begning |
| 00:21.02 | Thunder_Child | when they first started |
| 00:21.12 | Dagmar | Yeah that's how I have the box copy of HL2 but it works through Steam |
| 00:21.19 | Dagmar | I think mainly that's for their own titles |
| 00:21.21 | Thunder_Child | because people have physical copies of now DLable stuff |
| 00:21.36 | Thunder_Child | same for how battle.net does it |
| 00:22.16 | Dagmar | I had to make several calls to EA to sort out my copy of Sims, just because of changes to their damn account stuff |
| 00:22.39 | Dagmar | I had it registered as evildagmar+ea@domain.com, and they started disallowing "+" in email addresses. |
| 00:22.54 | Thunder_Child | and i had a hassle with them over one of the CnC games |
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| 00:23.13 | Dagmar | ...which screwed me over on multiple games, since I now had multiple accounts with different +text appends on the emails |
| 00:23.13 | SeanK | Does wow have a DoEvent/Yield type API so you can wait for the UI to catch up or do you really need to implement a OnUpdate handler and count ms between processing? |
| 00:23.35 | Dagmar | SeanK: "wait" is a bad word |
| 00:24.05 | Dagmar | You really *want* to use OnUpdate handlers |
| 00:24.07 | SeanK | ok, but lua is not multi-threaded so what else do I have? |
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| 00:24.34 | Dagmar | OnUpdate handlers. |
| 00:24.45 | SeanK | rrrrrr, ok |
| 00:25.08 | Dagmar | If you try and implement code that actually sits and waits... nothing much else will happen until your bit of logic gets done waiting |
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| 00:27.43 | Dagmar | @#$@#$ there's a way to generate what amoutns to an alarm event, but atm I can't freaking remember it |
| 00:29.01 | SeanK | wow doesn't have a lua debugger right? Just checking cuz I'd hate to be doing all this tracing only to find out I could have just stepped into a debugger. |
| 00:29.05 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:31.58 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/06/24/patch-3-3-5s-out-of-storage-error/ |
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| 00:33.57 | Kraps | AnduinLothar: why him? |
| 00:34.20 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: interesting, i got that on the first day of the patch but not since then |
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| 00:34.51 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: you have 64 bit? |
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| 00:35.15 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: yes |
| 00:35.15 | Thunder_Child | i even posted the error message in here |
| 00:35.24 | Kraps | e;elitist prick :p |
| 00:35.24 | Thunder_Child | it ended with a memorystorm. something |
| 00:35.43 | Thunder_Child | oh yes Kraps, my system crashes better than anyones elses! |
| 00:35.51 | Kraps | lol |
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| 00:38.55 | Kraps | all these games on sale halp |
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| 00:40.08 | Corrodias | Kraps: no shit, and here i was, trying to spend less money this month |
| 00:40.13 | Corrodias | and then valve had to go and ruin everything |
| 00:40.20 | Jerub | lol@ iphone4 reception issues |
| 00:40.23 | Thunder_Child | one thing steam really need to put in the listing is when the games were actually released, not when they were posted on steam |
| 00:40.30 | Thunder_Child | needs* |
| 00:40.35 | Jerub | i'm going to be able to milk this for ages :) |
| 00:40.58 | Corrodias | they have that on the individual pages, Thunder_Child, though not in the game search |
| 00:41.08 | Corrodias | the release date on unreal gold here says 1998 |
| 00:41.34 | Kraps | Jerub: its not cool to make fun of the optimistic loser |
| 00:41.55 | Corrodias | and so in the search results, it says 2008 |
| 00:42.09 | Thunder_Child | some do some dont |
| 00:42.13 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: olso in the popout |
| 00:42.22 | Jerub | Kraps: wait, left handers are optimistic too? |
| 00:42.24 | Jerub | :P |
| 00:42.31 | Kraps | :p |
| 00:44.18 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: CS:S says jun 2010, popout says '04 |
| 00:44.23 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lFUGDW-dFo |
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| 00:46.12 | Kraps | A-KO: i sont have sound so wtf is that |
| 00:51.20 | MentalPower|Work | hmm... nice netsplit |
| 00:51.28 | MentalPower|Work | my other PC went with it |
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| 00:52.00 | Thunder_Child | is that the evil pc? |
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| 00:52.15 | MentalPower|Work | its the Mac, you decide :) |
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| 01:35.39 | Cide- | . |
| 01:35.56 | Thunder_Child | .. |
| 01:36.25 | Cide- | ... |
| 01:36.28 | Cide- | cccc |
| 01:36.29 | Cide- | ombob |
| 01:36.34 | Cide- | reaker |
| 01:36.52 | Thunder_Child | YOU COULDNT EVEN DO THAT W/O FUCKING UP |
| 01:37.00 | Cide- | I didn't fuck up |
| 01:37.11 | Thunder_Child | ccccombobreaker |
| 01:37.18 | Cide- | yes |
| 01:37.26 | Thunder_Child | hyphens |
| 01:37.30 | Thunder_Child | they is useful |
| 01:37.33 | Cide- | nobody needs hyphens |
| 01:37.46 | Thunder_Child | you dont need air either, but it's nice to have |
| 01:38.04 | Cide- | not really |
| 01:38.07 | Cide- | oxygen is nice to have |
| 01:38.09 | Cide- | air is just meh |
| 01:38.53 | Thunder_Child | i still say it's nice to have |
| 01:40.42 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: yeah, I'm having the same issue |
| 01:40.48 | WobWork | with the crashes =( |
| 01:40.56 | Thunder_Child | mine stopped though |
| 01:40.56 | WobWork | and the sudden blackout screens in dalaran =P |
| 01:41.02 | Thunder_Child | oh yes that |
| 01:41.12 | Thunder_Child | a reason i am staying away from there |
| 01:45.27 | Kraps | is listening to the NBA Draft |
| 01:46.19 | Thunder_Child | ... |
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| 01:46.47 | Kraps | yes, i'm that bored |
| 01:47.01 | Kraps | and theres nothing else on |
| 01:47.13 | Thunder_Child | movie |
| 01:47.15 | Thunder_Child | tv show |
| 01:47.16 | Thunder_Child | game |
| 01:47.32 | Thunder_Child | boiling water |
| 01:50.13 | cog|away | Fisker: do you gee you eye or gooey? |
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| 01:55.01 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25560027775&sid=1 |
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| 02:02.48 | ZorbaGama | holy shit, I agree that deserting should be a bit stiffer but that is ridiculous |
| 02:03.45 | Dashkal | 2 quits and you're done until daily reset might work, though |
| 02:04.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 02:05.36 | WobWork | I'm still not quite up tod ate with the penalties... |
| 02:05.59 | WobWork | if you get voted out, what do you get? |
| 02:06.10 | WobWork | if you drop group, what do you get? |
| 02:07.12 | ZorbaGama | nothing, and nothing, I believe. |
| 02:09.11 | cogwheel | Shirik: ding 2000 |
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| 02:12.16 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialTwilightFilm?feature=ticker |
| 02:13.26 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: voted i dont know, but if you drop you get a debuff |
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| 02:14.06 | Wobin | if you get voted off, you should get a debuff |
| 02:14.40 | Wobin | and better yet, actually have them able to write a proper 'reason' for the kick |
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| 02:15.43 | Kraps | Shirik: ping |
| 02:17.36 | Kraps | dakota fanning has grown |
| 02:23.16 | Wobin | people tend to do that |
| 02:25.27 | Kraps | shes the girl in man on fire |
| 02:27.02 | Dagmar | She was more fun in Jumper or Pusher or whatever that was |
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| 02:28.35 | Kraps | shes Coraline :o |
| 02:29.00 | Wobin | oh, that's true |
| 02:29.00 | Wobin | e |
| 02:29.25 | Wobin | why is that surprising? |
| 02:33.55 | Kraps | i didnt know |
| 02:34.18 | cogwheel | Shiriks Fisker around a bit with a large slap |
| 02:37.47 | Thunder_Child | cogwheels |
| 02:39.53 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.43 | Kraps | ok comms fail |
| 02:43.18 | Kraps | ~seen Shirik |
| 02:43.20 | purl | shirik <~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 12h 6m 49s ago, saying: 'too bad they'll skip over i286'. |
| 02:43.35 | Thunder_Child | he is in channel |
| 02:45.18 | Kraps | i can see that :/ |
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| 02:54.45 | Thunder_Child | bah, tpb is down |
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| 03:24.04 | NightHawkTheSane | wow, how does a hunter pull less than 6k dps on saurfang with a 25% buff >< |
| 03:25.18 | Xyphoid | hey our mage did 1000 dps on saurfang with +20% |
| 03:26.50 | Kraps | blood beast duty |
| 03:27.53 | Jerub | good hunters are legendary on blood beasts, but that doesn't mean a silly meter will see that |
| 03:27.54 | Thunder_Child | i'm on blood beas duty and i can still do 5-8K dps |
| 03:28.06 | Thunder_Child | beast* |
| 03:28.20 | Kraps | whats good on steam? |
| 03:28.29 | NightHawkTheSane | it was 25 man, blood beasts were crushed, and he was the lowest dps. |
| 03:28.32 | Kraps | for $10 or less |
| 03:29.01 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom |
| 03:29.03 | Thunder_Child | what genre? |
| 03:29.07 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, wait, you said good. nevermind |
| 03:29.41 | Thunder_Child | that was just mean NightHawkTheSane, now you have gone and made him cry |
| 03:29.41 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: not racing and rts |
| 03:29.53 | Kraps | cries |
| 03:30.09 | Thunder_Child | is tbs allowed? |
| 03:30.18 | Kraps | wazzat |
| 03:30.25 | Thunder_Child | turn bassed start |
| 03:30.30 | Thunder_Child | strat* |
| 03:30.49 | Jerub | Kraps: portal, tf2, lf4d |
| 03:30.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: mission: accomplished. |
| 03:30.57 | Thunder_Child | and do you want them sing multi or doesnt matter |
| 03:31.30 | Kraps | no tbs either, prefer single |
| 03:31.48 | Thunder_Child | GTA |
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| 03:32.16 | Kraps | Jerub: i have portal and tf2 :) |
| 03:32.20 | Thunder_Child | KotOR is a possiblity, though i didnt much care for it |
| 03:32.55 | Thunder_Child | sid meier's pirates |
| 03:33.16 | Amarande | sooo ... regarding earlier night's discussion about hard enrages and such |
| 03:33.26 | Amarande | something also occurred to me about the usefulness of them in other games, despite them hardly ever being used ... |
| 03:33.39 | Jerub | Kraps: so you've got all the good games already |
| 03:33.46 | Kraps | heh |
| 03:34.07 | Thunder_Child | plants vs. zombies |
| 03:34.11 | Thunder_Child | max payne 2 |
| 03:34.18 | Thunder_Child | machinarium |
| 03:34.29 | Thunder_Child | world of goo |
| 03:34.39 | Wobin | <3 Machinarium |
| 03:34.43 | Kraps | plants vs. zombies is a base defense game no? |
| 03:34.50 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 03:34.59 | airtonix | eveonline |
| 03:35.14 | Kraps | airtonix: thanks for nothing |
| 03:35.30 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZ5-n-bmG4 |
| 03:36.10 | airtonix | i'll be the guy with the hardcore methlab on that station |
| 03:36.33 | Thunder_Child | torchlight |
| 03:36.39 | Kraps | i like rpgs |
| 03:36.45 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: have it |
| 03:36.58 | Kraps | i have my eye on the witcher |
| 03:37.26 | Thunder_Child | the controls on that game made we want to bitchslap a baby |
| 03:37.44 | airtonix | and then ? |
| 03:37.52 | Thunder_Child | and then what? |
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| 03:44.51 | Kraps | will i like kotor even if i'm not into star wars? |
| 03:45.54 | Thunder_Child | i like star wars and didnt like kotor |
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| 03:53.23 | Xinhuan | so many good games on steam offer |
| 03:55.32 | Dagmar | Pffft. Perfect example of SecurROM fail. Tried to uninstall Oblivion and it refused because the CDROM wasn't in the drive. |
| 03:55.46 | Dagmar | Yet another reason to buy things from Steam |
| 03:59.48 | Thunder_Child | which is on sale! |
| 04:00.09 | Xinhuan | about 200 games |
| 04:00.27 | Xinhuan | ranging from -25% to -95% |
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| 04:09.48 | Arrowmaster | why the hell does the steam site say if i already own a game when on a game page, it says which of my friends own it but it doesnt say anywhere that i already own it |
| 04:09.58 | Arrowmaster | s/does/doesnt/ |
| 04:10.06 | Thunder_Child | um...you should know? |
| 04:10.10 | Thunder_Child | what you own |
| 04:10.43 | Arrowmaster | when you purchase things in large packs its hard to remember |
| 04:11.14 | Thunder_Child | go look at your library |
| 04:11.34 | Arrowmaster | that requires running the client |
| 04:11.47 | Thunder_Child | mine is always running |
| 04:12.35 | Thunder_Child | not like it takes much in the way of resources |
| 04:12.51 | Arrowmaster | actually it does |
| 04:13.04 | Arrowmaster | since im on linux and have to run it through wine |
| 04:13.40 | Thunder_Child | soo...20K ram then? |
| 04:13.44 | Thunder_Child | since mine is 11K or so |
| 04:14.10 | Iriel | I dont think you could store the game list in 11K |
| 04:14.16 | Iriel | Hopefully you mean M |
| 04:14.57 | Thunder_Child | yes, k=thousand |
| 04:15.56 | Iriel | I call BS |
| 04:16.10 | Thunder_Child | err...11,000K |
| 04:16.18 | Iriel | So 11M |
| 04:16.22 | Iriel | That's more like it |
| 04:16.47 | Arrowmaster | 133M |
| 04:16.50 | Thunder_Child | and wine is ~= double? |
| 04:17.01 | Thunder_Child | i'm not talking about loaded, i mean just idleing |
| 04:17.05 | Arrowmaster | Steam.exe is using 117M alone for me |
| 04:17.13 | Arrowmaster | i have the gui closed |
| 04:17.34 | Thunder_Child | so not just doubled then |
| 04:17.44 | Xinhuan | minimize and close all and it should shrink to like 25m active |
| 04:17.49 | Arrowmaster | steam runs like complete shit in wine right now |
| 04:18.07 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: i dont have any steam windows open |
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| 04:18.16 | Xinhuan | open one then close it |
| 04:18.23 | Xinhuan | mine shrank from 117mb to 25 |
| 04:18.24 | Pytlask | 67M for me on Windows |
| 04:18.25 | Wobin | steam in wine just dilutes all the alcohol out of it |
| 04:18.36 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Wobin |
| 04:18.36 | purl | nabs the moon and broadsides Wobin with the sea of tranquility |
| 04:19.02 | Arrowmaster | not shrinking |
| 04:19.10 | Amarande | Anyway Dagmar, what was I going to say about the merits of hard enrage in some games |
| 04:19.13 | Amarande | ah yes. |
| 04:19.20 | Amarande | the fact that it makes the music composer's time a hell of a lot easier |
| 04:19.23 | Xinhuan | maybe wine's memory management has a problem then |
| 04:19.34 | Amarande | in fact, you could then have songs that up in tempo and pulse-pound as the battle wears on |
| 04:19.38 | Arrowmaster | wine has lots of problems |
| 04:19.53 | Amarande | which would not only be very appropriate with a hard enrage timer, but also wouldn't ever have to worry about the jarring of being repeated |
| 04:20.05 | Amarande | since you could have the song composed specifically with the battle time limit in mind |
| 04:20.11 | Xinhuan | so the problem isn't steam, its wine |
| 04:20.13 | Amarande | (sadly, doesn't work for turn based games though :() |
| 04:21.04 | Arrowmaster | or maybe its the difference between linux and windows memory management |
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| 04:37.47 | Amarande | I think someone's been reading too much Wheel of Time when noting the kill list for their Lone Wolf character ... |
| 04:37.49 | Amarande | "Swarm of Anath Wasps" |
| 04:37.49 | Amarande | erm |
| 04:37.57 | Amarande | they're ANTAH wasps in LW |
| 04:38.01 | Amarande | Anath was the nasty lady from WoT |
| 04:38.01 | Amarande | :| |
| 04:42.16 | Corrodias | Swarm of Amarande Wasps |
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| 05:39.28 | KieferSkunk | Hi guys. Trying to get some info on the COMPANION_UPDATE event. |
| 05:39.59 | KieferSkunk | I want to detect when I dismount, get out of a vehicle, or get off a taxi. Not finding much documentation on it. |
| 05:40.29 | mikma | oh good, inspection throttling |
| 05:41.17 | mikma | also, oh lord, is warlocomotif still around :8 |
| 05:42.19 | mikma | "We're actually working on restoring the epic feeling to epic items in Cataclysm. Epic loot should be epic, and something to be very proud of. Our plan is to try and get the Heroic -> Blue Gear and Raid -> Purple Gear balance back." |
| 05:42.30 | mikma | great! no more good loot for "casual" players, whoopdidoo |
| 05:42.47 | Jerub | it always confused me that they made toc+icc drop all purples |
| 05:42.53 | Jerub | it should dropped ilvl >200 blues |
| 05:43.07 | mikma | i agree |
| 05:43.38 | Jerub | what pissees me off though is the best gear is shoulder and chest while levelling |
| 05:43.45 | Jerub | like, consistently, the best pieces are in those slots |
| 05:43.51 | Jerub | so it always gets vendored/sharded |
| 05:44.16 | Corrodias | what's bad about that? |
| 05:44.36 | Thunder_Child | KieferSkunk: you might want to browse addons that already do that |
| 05:44.47 | Amarande | mikma: that's what points gear is for, I imagine? |
| 05:44.52 | KieferSkunk | I have been, but most of them are seriously out of date. |
| 05:45.00 | Amarande | just like BoJ were how you got epics out of heroics in BC |
| 05:45.11 | Amarande | otherwise, we're going to get the same very serious problem in late cata that we had in late BC |
| 05:45.24 | Amarande | where the gear progression gets broken |
| 05:45.27 | mikma | well if the items would still be gotten with badges, that would be perfect again |
| 05:45.29 | KieferSkunk | All I really want is to figure out when one of these events occurs on myself - don't want to handle it if it happens on someone else. |
| 05:45.38 | Amarande | because you need the heroic gear to gear up before you go into raids, but people will expect you to be raid geared to go to heroics eventually |
| 05:45.40 | mikma | but if all bosses drop epics in both difficulties, that blows |
| 05:45.56 | Amarande | BC had that phenomenon to a terrible painful max |
| 05:46.13 | Amarande | since, well, yeah, you had to get the stuff from heroics in order to be geared for kara, basically |
| 05:46.18 | Amarande | but people regularly demanded kara+ gear to do heroics |
| 05:46.22 | mikma | amarande: getting the purples with badges also means you must have played with the character more than 5 instances after level 80 |
| 05:46.34 | Amarande | so how did you get geared to begin with? |
| 05:46.34 | mikma | meaning you should have atleast some idea how the class works, or not |
| 05:46.44 | Wobin | haha |
| 05:46.45 | Wobin | sif |
| 05:46.52 | mikma | we had a hunter in party yesterday who had +spell power items and gems |
| 05:46.58 | Amarande | it seemed the only hope was pretty much to have every character use the matching crafting profession for their armor type, and to buy very expensive BoE's off of AH |
| 05:47.02 | Jerub | Amarande: lfd 'solves' that to a large extent. |
| 05:47.24 | Jerub | the idea being that gear level suitable instances are avialble to everyone. |
| 05:47.26 | Amarande | like for DPS casters say, you basically had to have the money for spellstrike, and you needed to have tailoring and your perk set or you could never surmount the gear loop |
| 05:48.45 | Amarande | the sad thing was that even if you WERE a tailor, you still had to BUY spellstrike with money |
| 05:49.01 | Amarande | because you needed it to be geared to get into the instance runs that you could GET the pattern from (as it was BoP from heroics IIRC) |
| 05:49.16 | Jerub | Amarande: qq moar. |
| 05:49.36 | Corrodias | so what they should have done was making the dungeons easier |
| 05:49.54 | Corrodias | then it wouldn't be so important to have good gear so you could beat them without a lot of frustration, amirite |
| 05:49.57 | Amarande | I actually had a master tailor during BC ... but she could do nothing for Alvaerin's gearing woes |
| 05:50.14 | Amarande | because the stuff that would have helped was either BoP for the tailor only, or required BoP recipes I didn't have access to. |
| 05:50.37 | Amarande | Corrodias: yeah, if the BC heroics had been balanced like Lich King ones, it would have worked out far better |
| 05:50.51 | Amarande | yet if anything, Kara was easier than many of the heroics |
| 05:51.22 | Amarande | perhaps the intended progression was even 70 reg -> T4 -> 70 heroic -> T5 & T6, but I could be off on that |
| 05:51.40 | Amarande | in particular, I'm not sure how a caster in BC would have gotten hit capped without a fair amount of heroic gear |
| 05:51.43 | Thunder_Child | KieferSkunk: you might have to do a different one for each eg. http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_EXITED_VEHICLE for one, etc. |
| 05:52.08 | Amarande | (also, almost no one ever ran 70 reg ... basically locking you out of the gear step there) |
| 05:53.16 | Amarande | I'm not sure entirely what design decisions precipitated this state of affairs. A combination of much harder heroics and 2.3's changes, I think. |
| 05:53.31 | KieferSkunk | Okay, UNIT_EXITED_VEHICLE looks useful |
| 05:53.41 | Thunder_Child | not sure that works for your mount |
| 05:53.52 | mikma | it won't |
| 05:53.52 | Thunder_Child | i know there is a Dismount api but i dont know if it fires anything |
| 05:53.59 | kd3 | UNIT_AURA |
| 05:54.47 | Amarande | The reason I blame 2.3 is simple |
| 05:54.53 | KieferSkunk | Okay, can someone briefly explain how these events work? |
| 05:55.02 | Amarande | 2.3 took out so much group content and skyrocketed the leveling rate |
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| 05:55.17 | Amarande | which itself doesn't seem significant ... but when you consider a lot of players never got a chance to build solid group relationships when leveling |
| 05:55.25 | KieferSkunk | I'm looking at the description for UNIT_AURA, and all it appears to send is a note about who was affected. |
| 05:55.26 | kd3 | by group content you mean the attunement hell? |
| 05:55.38 | Corrodias | indeed, Amarande, i couldn't get -any- dungeon groups on my hunter alt |
| 05:55.41 | Corrodias | until outland. |
| 05:55.42 | KieferSkunk | But it doesn't look like it tells me anything about which buff/aura was added or removed. |
| 05:55.55 | Amarande | kd3: I mean like, world quests during leveling that you usually grouped for, and the fact that you didn't need to do instances pre outland to make up xp without having to otherwise mindless grind, like was the case in 2.0-2.2 |
| 05:56.09 | Corrodias | i felt like a twerp when ramparts was my first dungeon, at all, on my hunter |
| 05:56.13 | Amarande | both of those basically created a situation where you got no grouping relationships when leveling |
| 05:56.27 | Amarande | and then you hit 70, and you were like a dog without a bone, an actor out alone ... (Sorry Jim Morrison.) |
| 05:56.42 | Corrodias | not for lack of trying, either, just NOBODY wanted to do any pre-bc dungeons, especially not with a hunter |
| 05:57.05 | Corrodias | mainly because, as you said, they didn't have to do dungeons any more. |
| 05:57.06 | Amarande | When I was hitting 70, it was even worse, probably because Turalyon was a very progression based server |
| 05:57.07 | Thunder_Child | KieferSkunk: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitAura |
| 05:57.17 | Amarande | you couldn't even get groups for regular outland instances anymore, only heroics |
| 05:57.27 | Amarande | except on days like Easter Sunday where everyone was home and there was a flood of players |
| 05:57.33 | Corrodias | well, that's pretty harsh. at least it wasn't that bad on E'T. |
| 05:57.51 | Amarande | I remember trying to go to Mana Tombs once in the mid 60s. No one was interested. :P |
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| 05:58.18 | ZorbaGama | largely that's because the people who *would* be interested are out there questing instead |
| 05:58.26 | ZorbaGama | there was just no way to meet the people who wanted to do the content |
| 05:58.26 | Amarande | Zorba: yeah, that's why I blame 2.3 |
| 05:58.37 | ZorbaGama | I blame the lack of LFD |
| 05:58.41 | KieferSkunk | Thunder_Child: Okay, so when the event fires, I have to then examine ALL the buffs, or look for a specific buff? |
| 05:58.43 | Amarande | before that, you would have had your groupies from when you had to do dungeons to get to 60 efficiently |
| 05:59.05 | Amarande | and thus a solid friends list to draw on for instances, if not a full scale leveling/gearing guild from it |
| 05:59.06 | Thunder_Child | KieferSkunk: i dont code, just have good googlefu |
| 05:59.25 | Thunder_Child | i am here to iritate coders, thats my job |
| 05:59.28 | Amarande | 2.3 also created quite a number of oddly screwed up situations with instance quests, too |
| 05:59.54 | Amarande | like leaving people doing Uldaman and unable to start the discs chain, because after that you usually did Ulda too low level to accept the quest |
| 06:00.10 | kd3 | but expect that to be fixed come cata |
| 06:00.13 | Amarande | and being almost the death knell for Sunken Temple |
| 06:00.42 | Amarande | Five reasonably major patch stages later, and ST in particular still has not been rehabilitated |
| 06:01.03 | Corrodias | i remember good times in that temple |
| 06:01.15 | ZorbaGama | yeah, that's because nobody did dungeons, so it wasn't worth putting the time into |
| 06:01.19 | Amarande | Instead, they've virtually killed Scholomance, Dire Maul, and Stratholme, too, if it wasn't for people LFD'ing for them across whole battlegroups and even that usually takes a long while |
| 06:01.21 | KieferSkunk | Bah, looks like I'm gonna have to keep looking. |
| 06:01.34 | Amarande | Zorba: ST was specifically ruined |
| 06:01.41 | KieferSkunk | It seems like some of the simplest things are made needlessly complicated. |
| 06:01.47 | Amarande | Basically the problem was that they lowered the mob levels to 44-50 |
| 06:02.05 | Amarande | but you have to be 50 (and realistically you'll be a couple levels higher) to even accept a large number of the quests that are in or lead to quests in ST |
| 06:02.21 | Amarande | If you want to do the ST quests you're literally fighting gray mobs in there by the time you can get them |
| 06:02.40 | Amarande | None of the other instances was nearly so impacted |
| 06:02.55 | Corrodias | well shit. |
| 06:02.58 | Amarande | With Uldaman it only really mattered if you wanted to do the Discs chain, and for SM it just meant you had to wait a little later to go |
| 06:03.14 | Amarande | and Scholo/Strat/DM were butting up against 60 anyway so they changed little |
| 06:03.26 | Amarande | BRD was the only one of the old 60 instances that got nerfed, from what I recall |
| 06:03.51 | Amarande | and strangely enough I think they DID adjust the quest levels for at least some BRD quests |
| 06:03.52 | kd3 | KieferSkunk, take a look at mods like http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11880-JiralsRandomCompanion.html |
| 06:04.12 | Amarande | As for why I say Lich King virtually killed Scholo/Strat/DM as well |
| 06:04.15 | Amarande | that was because of mount changes |
| 06:04.16 | ZorbaGama | amarande, you're saying "the instance was ruined", but it turns out that quests are a largely uncared-for part of the instance |
| 06:04.29 | Amarande | at least the Paladin and Warlock mount quests kept those instances alive for a while, even after BC |
| 06:04.37 | Amarande | but when they lowered epic mount to 40 and put it on the trainer, that died out too |
| 06:04.47 | ZorbaGama | ST was hit by that more than others, because it actually has a *few* interesting quests, but fundamentally what "killed" ST was that Blizzard got better at not sucking. |
| 06:04.59 | kd3 | still hates ST |
| 06:05.06 | Amarande | Zorba: also, I'm not sure ST was to be saved |
| 06:05.10 | kd3 | I still get lost in there |
| 06:05.13 | Amarande | because of the locations of the quests to go in there |
| 06:05.22 | Amarande | there was no way to lower its level like they did with the others without creating that disaster |
| 06:05.24 | Thunder_Child | it wasnt that bad kd3 |
| 06:05.25 | ZorbaGama | you're pining for a series of events that very few people really enjoyed. Flaming hoops that you have to jump through, coming from an old Everquest school of thought |
| 06:05.35 | Amarande | even if you relieved the minimum level requirements on the quests themselves |
| 06:05.39 | Corrodias | ZorbaGama has a point |
| 06:05.47 | Amarande | you still have the problem that most ST stuff is picked up in 50-55 areas |
| 06:05.48 | Thunder_Child | just go through it a few hundred times and it's a piece of cake |
| 06:05.57 | Corrodias | the good memories i have are of the architecture of the place and of playing with friends. |
| 06:06.00 | Amarande | and often requires prequests you'd never survive at the lower levels |
| 06:06.01 | Dagmar | You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike... and full of SNAKES. |
| 06:06.05 | kd3 | I'd rather not, damned snakes |
| 06:06.09 | ZorbaGama | no, the quests are unimportant |
| 06:06.11 | ZorbaGama | nobody cares about the quests |
| 06:06.18 | ZorbaGama | take ST, remove the quests. it is almost strictly better. |
| 06:06.19 | Corrodias | the quests were just there to give you a reason to be there |
| 06:06.29 | ZorbaGama | now that we've got LFD, we don't need to drag people in via quests |
| 06:06.32 | Amarande | Corrodias: all the old 50s class quests involved ST |
| 06:06.41 | Amarande | and at least a couple of those give rewards still useful for a while |
| 06:06.50 | Corrodias | whatever |
| 06:07.00 | Amarande | (mostly because they don't HAVE a corresponding Outland item upgrade in a couple cases ... you don't get a similar but better item until Northrend or not at all) |
| 06:07.15 | Corrodias | ST was fun, to me, because of the enemies and the design. |
| 06:07.32 | Amarande | it's like Winterspring. It's still very much worth doing the Winterfall Furbolgs chain, because the trinket you get from the quest to defeat Winterfall isn't eclipsed for quite a while |
| 06:07.38 | KieferSkunk | kd3: That one still doesn't seem to do what I'm looking for. |
| 06:08.32 | Thunder_Child | one of the things blizz is going to have to think about doing is how to get from the graveyard to the instance ent. as more and more people simply get telepoted in, less and less people know the surounding area |
| 06:08.45 | Thunder_Child | teleported* |
| 06:09.13 | mikma | thunder_child: hell no! it's extremely cool to see all the N00BZ getting lost |
| 06:09.22 | kd3 | no the hell it isn't |
| 06:09.25 | Thunder_Child | mikma: no it is not |
| 06:09.30 | Thunder_Child | it slows the whole party up |
| 06:09.36 | kd3 | is awed at the people who still don't know how to get back to the ICC instances |
| 06:09.50 | Thunder_Child | kd3: you mean 'in the first place' |
| 06:09.57 | Amarande | can't they just have your ghost pop up closer to the instance? |
| 06:10.05 | Amarande | or does that not work because there's a lore reason that you can only ghost at graveyards |
| 06:10.20 | Corrodias | since when has lore stood in the way of anything? |
| 06:10.31 | Dagmar | ...or it just MIGHT be because you ALWAYS pop back up at a graveyard. |
| 06:10.41 | mikma | thunder_child: i am amazed that you didn't see my sarcasm -trigger there |
| 06:10.46 | Amarande | like, why can't they just put a spirit healer somewhere closer :) |
| 06:10.47 | ZorbaGama | I suspect they want the graveyard run to be a bit of the penalty |
| 06:10.51 | Amarande | although, I guess that has its issues, too |
| 06:11.03 | Thunder_Child | mikma: needs a better -trigger |
| 06:11.09 | KieferSkunk | Thanks anyway, guys. I'll keep looking. |
| 06:11.09 | mikma | god damnit |
| 06:11.23 | mikma | N00BZ!!!!!1111 |
| 06:12.38 | Thunder_Child | that does not scream sarcams |
| 06:12.41 | Thunder_Child | sarcasm* |
| 06:12.43 | Amarande | mainly, it also occurs to me that a spirit healer, even if they don't put a graveyard in for one |
| 06:13.05 | Amarande | has to be sufficiently far away from aggroable mobs to allow a properly leveled for the zone toon a reasonable chance to get to safety after spirit rez |
| 06:13.37 | Amarande | although there's some places that it doesn't seem like even that's the case (Desolace, Kodo Graveyard, 37-38 or so hostile buzzards?) |
| 06:13.53 | mikma | i give up, thunder_child is a dork. |
| 06:14.12 | Thunder_Child | i am not a whales penis |
| 06:15.17 | mikma | ~8ball is thunder_child a whales penis |
| 06:15.18 | purl | Negative. |
| 06:15.24 | mikma | appears that you are not. |
| 06:15.26 | Thunder_Child | see |
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| 06:15.37 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 06:15.37 | purl | Thunder_Child: aw, gee |
| 06:15.43 | Thunder_Child | i also bribe the 8ball |
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| 06:25.25 | Adys | kd3: btw, see wine bug 23323, the 335 issue is a kernel thing too |
| 06:25.45 | Adys | hence why just native wldap didnt work for me |
| 06:31.47 | Xinhuan | should make people travel physically to a meeting stone once before they can queue/teleport to that instance |
| 06:32.03 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 06:32.15 | Wobin | actually, to the instance entrance |
| 06:32.15 | zenzio | agreed |
| 06:34.43 | Wobin | If you make it the instance entrance |
| 06:34.50 | Wobin | it'll be a good way to avoid playing certain instances |
| 06:34.56 | Wobin | by never visiting them in the first place |
| 06:35.02 | Corrodias | tweets. |
| 06:36.18 | Amarande | Xinhuan: I can see issues with that though |
| 06:36.31 | Amarande | in particular, RFC probably should be exempt from it |
| 06:36.41 | zenzio | why? |
| 06:36.46 | Amarande | so alliance players don't have to wait longer than horde to be able to queue |
| 06:36.59 | Amarande | remember, alliance's "home" instance is substantially higher level than horde's |
| 06:37.05 | mikma | meh |
| 06:37.09 | Corrodias | they should make ragefire chasm a required dungeon for alliance players to go past level 10. |
| 06:37.13 | Amarande | and the very minimum to queue is set by RFC |
| 06:37.18 | mikma | why not just allow alliance and horde mix-groups while at it |
| 06:37.23 | mikma | everyone can instance with anyone |
| 06:37.25 | zenzio | agreed |
| 06:37.33 | Thunder_Child | Xinhuan: you have to do that in cata. eg. you have to explore an instance before you can queue |
| 06:37.34 | Wobin | it would kinda not work =P |
| 06:37.34 | Corrodias | i want to party with NPC's |
| 06:37.42 | zenzio | I don't believe Alliance has any business in RFC |
| 06:37.44 | Amarande | Corrodias: yeah, that's one thing I really miss about Guild Wars |
| 06:37.50 | zenzio | hay guysee lets go help the horde |
| 06:37.52 | mikma | it would work so well if they could communicate in the instance |
| 06:38.01 | Dashkal | Then relevel RFC to Vancleef level |
| 06:38.02 | Amarande | T_C: so alliance in fact have to wait 2-3 extra levels to queue in cata, if new characters? |
| 06:38.04 | Corrodias | i just want to punish alliance players for being ugly |
| 06:38.25 | Amarande | actually, that could be pretty cruel |
| 06:38.32 | zenzio | oh noes |
| 06:38.33 | Amarande | for one, it means alliance players basically HAVE to do westfall |
| 06:38.40 | Corrodias | and i mean the players, not characters. bunch of uglies in there! |
| 06:38.45 | Amarande | it makes the other 10-20 zones a lot less attractive when you're forced to do westfall to get your first instance |
| 06:38.48 | zenzio | because the first 20 levels in Cataclysm won't be any faster than they used to be, surely |
| 06:38.52 | zenzio | all five hours worth |
| 06:39.04 | Amarande | since RFC would be unviable, and somehow I think Alliance will all but lose SFK and WC |
| 06:39.11 | Amarande | because very few at-level characters will have gone to those spots |
| 06:39.23 | Amarande | Especially SFK, which is out in the boondocks for all alliance except perhaps worgen |
| 06:40.31 | Corrodias | SFK is kind of boring, as i recall, but the style is awesome |
| 06:40.38 | Corrodias | i like the interior |
| 06:41.14 | Amarande | SFK's main problem is if you wipe |
| 06:41.21 | Amarande | people are particular babies about that place when you wipe near the end |
| 06:41.30 | Corrodias | why's that? |
| 06:41.43 | Amarande | because it has that combination of length and linearity |
| 06:41.49 | Amarande | but not quite enough linearity |
| 06:41.57 | Amarande | there's two paths at one point (where the kitchens go down and the ramp goes up) |
| 06:42.07 | Amarande | and it's far too easy for people to get frustrated by a mob left behind during their run back |
| 06:42.32 | Amarande | I actually refused to run back on a wipe near arugal on my last SFK run because it was not the first wipe (our first tank was terribad) |
| 06:42.49 | Amarande | and I'd gotten waylaid by a left-behind pat the first run back :| |
| 06:43.02 | mikma | mercy to the grace, and knees to the face |
| 06:43.09 | mikma | <3 Wipeout s03e02 |
| 06:43.21 | Amarande | Wipeout looks neat, but it makes me miss Ninja Warrior |
| 06:43.26 | Amarande | when does NW get shown these days, anyways? |
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| 06:44.49 | mikma | oh (something that people believe), this is SOOOOOOOOO good |
| 06:47.25 | mikma | "what's your favorite fruit?" 'at this moment, spinache.' ... "a fruit??" 'yeah' |
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| 06:56.29 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxlSILBl974 |
| 06:56.31 | mikma | have a look |
| 06:56.43 | mikma | i'm at 11 min's and i have yelled 3 times out aloud |
| 06:57.16 | zenzio | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/funny-celebrity-tweets-amanda-bynes-person.jpg?w=500&h=318 - this is deep stuff |
| 06:57.56 | Corrodias | what... |
| 06:58.47 | mikma | hey amanda! ,. - use them |
| 06:59.29 | Corrodias | does wipeout just find crazy people to participate? |
| 06:59.53 | mikma | having to look at their cheers and listen to what they say, yes. |
| 07:00.30 | Corrodias | is this... a parody of shows like this? |
| 07:00.37 | Corrodias | what am i watching? ?_? |
| 07:01.06 | mikma | if you are watching at the youtube i gave here, WIPEOUT! |
| 07:01.08 | mikma | lalz. |
| 07:01.23 | Corrodias | yeah, i don't know what's going on |
| 07:01.35 | mikma | Eddie Moton Jr., aka "The Dragon" |
| 07:01.45 | mikma | you haven't seen wipeout, ever? |
| 07:01.56 | Corrodias | never heard of it |
| 07:02.12 | mikma | wow, well, just watch the clip :D |
| 07:02.17 | Corrodias | okay, i declare this to be a parody. |
| 07:02.29 | mikma | let's see |
| 07:02.54 | mikma | Classification: Game Show |
| 07:02.54 | mikma | Genre: Comedy |
| 07:03.06 | mikma | Network: ABC ( USA) |
| 07:03.07 | mikma | Airs: Tuesdays at 08:00 pm |
| 07:03.12 | Corrodias | where are you seeing those things? |
| 07:03.26 | mikma | http://www.tvrage.com |
| 07:03.47 | Corrodias | ah. so the "comedy" part suggests that it could be, yet it's not definitive. |
| 07:04.40 | mikma | looks painful, doesn't it |
| 07:06.17 | zenzio | http://comixed.com/2010/06/24/4-koma-comic-strip-this-is-heavy/ |
| 07:08.28 | Fisker | slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout |
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| 07:17.30 | mikma | i have a little problem with this static background noise blasting at 100% volume, not obeying volume settings |
| 07:17.47 | mikma | how can i track it down easily? i know it happens in oculus, alot |
| 07:18.06 | Amarande | sure that isn't part of the sound effects Oc is supposed to have? |
| 07:18.14 | Jamash | sounds like you have vuvuzelas |
| 07:18.39 | Dagmar | Damn. |
| 07:18.51 | Dagmar | They still don't have an effective spray for those, either. |
| 07:18.57 | mikma | it's a part, but it still blasts at full volume |
| 07:19.17 | mikma | CTRL+S should mute all effects, well guess what, it doesn't go by that, still 100% |
| 07:20.07 | Torhal | Turn the mic off on your headset |
| 07:20.09 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:20.37 | mikma | why? :) |
| 07:20.49 | Dagmar | :D |
| 07:20.56 | Dagmar | Torhal's probably right |
| 07:21.05 | Torhal | It might be turned on at all times, thereby picking up ambient sound in your vicinity. |
| 07:21.07 | Amarande | ponders doing some work on the world map |
| 07:21.15 | Amarande | snice apparently I slept in too late today to go to bed yet |
| 07:21.20 | mikma | torhal: no, it's oculus background buzz, trust me |
| 07:21.22 | Amarande | despite having taken my melatonin alraedy :S |
| 07:21.23 | Dagmar | Amarande: What we need is a Google Maps dataset for it. |
| 07:21.36 | mikma | it happens in some instances, but oculus is the worst |
| 07:21.51 | Amarande | Dagmar, I'll leave that to folks who can actually do 3D modeling :P |
| 07:21.56 | Dagmar | I would seriously plotz if Google put Azeroth into Google Maps tho |
| 07:22.10 | Amarande | Didn't Cartographer3 use the Google Maps paradigm? |
| 07:22.19 | Amarande | ... except no one ever used cartog3 |
| 07:22.25 | mikma | i did |
| 07:22.27 | Amarande | I used it once and found it horribly clunky |
| 07:22.29 | mikma | and i liked it |
| 07:22.30 | Dagmar | Sort of, but it's not Google Maps. More like a satellite view |
| 07:22.41 | Dagmar | I wanna see the blue line and point-by-point directions. |
| 07:23.24 | Wobin | well the question really remains |
| 07:23.34 | Wobin | why do you need a googlemaps implementation |
| 07:23.37 | Wobin | ? |
| 07:23.48 | mikma | and, how can i track that sound in oculus so i can remove it |
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| 07:24.40 | Dagmar | Wobin: Because more people would care than do for http://www.google.com/moon/ |
| 07:24.45 | Dagmar | ...and it would funny. |
| 07:25.20 | Dagmar | er BE funny. |
| 07:25.53 | olafski | carbonite has that google maps type stuff too |
| 07:26.20 | Elkano | Dagmar, sth like http://mapwow.com/ ? |
| 07:26.48 | Dagmar | Elkano: Yeah, but that unfortunately really doesn't have roads and so on in it. |
| 07:27.55 | Dagmar | Big plus... no one would be lawyering up over street view in Azeroth. (Not sure Activision would get upset about more free press) |
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| 07:28.23 | Amarande | heh street view in azeroth |
| 07:28.26 | Amarande | naked blood elves everywhere |
| 07:28.37 | mikma | http://forums.wowgrunt.com/thread.php?id=19595381932&forumID=10023 |
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| 07:29.01 | Elkano | don't forget the corpse powered gold ads ;) |
| 07:29.22 | Dagmar | mikma++ |
| 07:31.36 | mikma | "I had this problem a long time ago and found that turning off "Use Hardware" option under sound settings fixed it. |
| 07:31.45 | mikma | i really hope this will fix it |
| 07:32.04 | Amarande | heh, something really awful just occurred to me about gold selling, too |
| 07:32.17 | Amarande | I remember reading that most anime bootlegs help support the triads these days |
| 07:32.22 | Amarande | I wonder if gold selling goes largely to the Tongs :| |
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| 07:32.51 | Jamash | where do torrents go? |
| 07:33.36 | Amarande | heh, I'm not sure anyone profits from torrents except for bandwidth providers :P |
| 07:34.21 | Amarande | who will probably now see their profits dip a bit now that pirate bay is gone |
| 07:34.30 | mikma | !api Use |
| 07:34.31 | lua_bot | Found 54 possible matches for 'Use'. Please be more specific |
| 07:34.35 | mikma | !api UseItem |
| 07:34.35 | lua_bot | UseItemByName: Uses an arbitrary item (optionally on a specified unit) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UseItemByName) |
| 07:34.36 | Amarande | after all the controversy ... the final fate of pirate bay was actually a pretty mundane, and sad one |
| 07:34.40 | Amarande | regardless of one's thoughts on piracy |
| 07:34.47 | Kalroth | !api UseMikma |
| 07:34.47 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UseMikma'. |
| 07:34.50 | Kalroth | :( |
| 07:35.06 | Amarande | apparently, one of the founders died ... and the others decided not to continue the project without their buddy |
| 07:35.18 | mikma | kalroth: thy shall not use me |
| 07:35.22 | Jamash | Festival Scorchling says: KNEEL, LITTLE MORTAL! KNEEL BEFORE THE MIGHT OF THE HERALD OF RAGNAROS! |
| 07:35.23 | mikma | well, just a little |
| 07:35.28 | Sixen | RAWR |
| 07:36.02 | Jamash | that is my favorite holiday quest |
| 07:36.26 | mikma | oh bloody hell, changing BG marks to honor is a bitch |
| 07:36.52 | Jamash | click (wait) click (wait) click (wait)... |
| 07:36.57 | Dagmar | It is *truly* the Journey of a Thousand Clicks if you never gave a damn about BG rewards |
| 07:36.59 | Fisker | naw |
| 07:37.05 | Wobin | can't do in piles? |
| 07:37.14 | Fisker | just buy 10 and bind it to a key |
| 07:37.14 | Dagmar | You can only buy ten of the things at once. |
| 07:37.18 | Amarande | Wobin: nope. |
| 07:37.23 | Amarande | it's one of those annoying things in WoW |
| 07:37.29 | Wobin | surely someone wrote an addon to do it =) |
| 07:37.33 | Dagmar | I had over 100 AV marks |
| 07:37.36 | Amarande | the other one I find annoying is that they didn't set it up so you could buy ANY lower badge with the higher badges in wotlk |
| 07:37.41 | Jamash | yes |
| 07:37.46 | Wobin | yes |
| 07:37.49 | Jamash | downconverting one rank at a time is annoying |
| 07:37.49 | Amarande | instead, you have to talk to four different people if you want to get gems for triumph :P |
| 07:38.21 | olafski | or you go to the currency vendor |
| 07:38.34 | Amarande | there's a currency vendor now? |
| 07:38.42 | olafski | has been for about 6 months at least iirc |
| 07:38.58 | Jerub | Dagmar: is that for converting to honor |
| 07:38.59 | olafski | oh he's called money changer |
| 07:39.06 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=35790 |
| 07:39.06 | Jerub | Dagmar: the worst part is the CD on cashing them in :/ |
| 07:39.14 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yes. |
| 07:39.19 | Dagmar | It takes bloody AGES |
| 07:39.36 | Dagmar | ...or at least seems to because you have to buy 10, use them up, buy 10 more, use them up... |
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| 07:40.15 | Jerub | Dagmar: it took me half an hour |
| 07:40.19 | Jerub | i used AV to level my druid |
| 07:41.24 | Dagmar | Owwwch |
| 07:41.52 | Jerub | well, from like 70->80, about half my xp was from battlegrounds |
| 07:41.54 | Dagmar | Imma see frost elementals in my sleep before I get this cloak |
| 07:43.08 | Dagmar | As little damage as goes on in there I begin to think I should just queue as tank |
| 07:43.24 | mikma | "hey, let's add 2 second cooldown in the item, and make it unique 10!" |
| 07:43.36 | mikma | 'that's awesome idea!' |
| 07:43.54 | Fisker | it was an easy fix |
| 07:44.05 | olafski | I like how someone put in the comments a macro to exchange emblems at the money changer.. you'd have to manually fill in the amount you want for each exchange, which takes about 1% less time than just shift clicking anyway |
| 07:44.18 | Fisker | just let you buy tokens that cost in increments of 5 |
| 07:44.45 | mikma | emblems at the money changer? |
| 07:45.07 | Corrodias | what they should include is that every time you use it, it mails 1g to the addon developer |
| 07:45.18 | Corrodias | a convenience fee |
| 07:45.48 | Jerub | Dagmar: it's a 20% drop and then at worst 50% chance of winning the roll. |
| 07:45.58 | Jerub | and it takes about 5 minutes to beat him. |
| 07:46.36 | Jerub | Dagmar: btw, my solution to the problem of exchanging marks was to continually rightclick in the vendor window while whacking '1' |
| 07:46.50 | Jerub | where '1' was the honor thing on my toolbar |
| 07:47.17 | olafski | could also just macro it jerub, then you only have to mash '1' |
| 07:47.48 | Amarande | Yeah, not like the damn battered hilt which is like a 1/1,000 drop and then a flat 20% chance of winning the roll NO MATTER WHAT |
| 07:48.15 | Fisker | but there could be a sweet soul who already got it that wants to pass |
| 07:48.31 | Fisker | i remember some heroic pit of saron i tanked |
| 07:48.44 | Fisker | Someone asked if we could take some of the off the route trash |
| 07:48.56 | Jerub | Fisker: i passed on a hilt. |
| 07:49.01 | Jerub | i'd won one the day before. |
| 07:49.05 | Fisker | talked about how he had quel'delar and he had gotten 2 others that he had sold |
| 07:49.09 | olafski | who farms for battered hilts anyway :P |
| 07:49.12 | Fisker | before the first boss he left |
| 07:49.13 | Fisker | jeeeeeerk |
| 07:49.28 | olafski | if you really want one just buy it |
| 07:49.40 | Jerub | every time i've seen the hilt drop we wiped immediately. |
| 07:49.51 | Fisker | shadow's edge is almost cheaper olafski |
| 07:50.18 | olafski | not as easy to get though |
| 07:50.21 | Fisker | the only reason i'd want it would be the achievement |
| 07:50.30 | olafski | and not on my realm |
| 07:50.30 | Amarande | olafski: I guess some people would feel they should have a chance to get the damn hilt and not see everyone need even when they don't need |
| 07:50.44 | olafski | battered hilt was about 11k when I bought it, primo saronite about 900 |
| 07:51.06 | Amarande | although then people will keep arguing that that's the single most sellable drop in the game, and that 8,000+g can thus be translated into effectively, they're not needing the hilt, they're needing the 264 BoE they can buy with the money |
| 07:51.15 | Jerub | primo saronite is around 600 on my realm now |
| 07:51.19 | Amarande | especially with the rabid GS fanatics driving the 264 BoE market massively |
| 07:51.25 | Jamash | I am not buying the battered hilt for 7000g |
| 07:51.26 | olafski | I say qq amarande :P |
| 07:51.39 | Dagmar | They're demonstrating that they'd like to some day wake up in a ditch with most of their skin flayed off. |
| 07:51.57 | olafski | I bought two jamash ;) |
| 07:52.08 | olafski | not gonna go through the trouble of getting shadow's edge |
| 07:52.12 | Jamash | olafski: why? |
| 07:52.32 | olafski | because I don't raid |
| 07:52.42 | Jamash | I mean |
| 07:52.44 | zenzio | "APB's voice chat feature will contain advertisements" - intriguing |
| 07:52.48 | Jamash | whatcha gonna do with 2 |
| 07:52.49 | olafski | lol zenzio :P |
| 07:52.55 | olafski | jamash: maybe I have more than one character.. :) |
| 07:53.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: if they *wake up* in the ditch with most of their skin flayed off, you're doing it wrong :| |
| 07:53.10 | Jerub | i'd need on a battered hilt if it dropped |
| 07:53.12 | Jerub | today |
| 07:53.15 | Amarande | you'll never make it as a mobster with fail like that ... LOL |
| 07:53.21 | olafski | me too jerub |
| 07:53.30 | olafski | and if another dropped I'd need on it again :P |
| 07:53.36 | Amarande | I'd need on it myself, but that's because I don't HAVE a 251+ weapon on anyone |
| 07:53.45 | Amarande | and I suppose I'd need on a second, since I have two 80's who could use quel'delars |
| 07:53.49 | Amarande | but why would I need on a third? |
| 07:53.56 | Jamash | if one dropped I'd be highly surprised because I've never set foot inside a 3.3 heroic |
| 07:54.12 | olafski | gold is easy to earn, but if someone that's worth 10k drops, I don't mind if 4 people put me on their ignore list ;0 |
| 07:54.45 | Amarande | although yeah, there's that prospect of 10k which could get me one or even two 245+ BoEs |
| 07:54.52 | Amarande | which would, combined with Quel'delar |
| 07:54.54 | olafski | mounts for me but yeah |
| 07:54.58 | Amarande | give my DK a fighting chance of meeting obscene GS requirements to see ICC |
| 07:55.16 | olafski | haven't played in months.. but if we go by that reasoning i could roll need on 9 battered hilts ;) |
| 07:55.36 | Dagmar | ...and someone would make an addon JUST to blacklist you |
| 07:55.45 | olafski | I'd be honored if they did that |
| 07:55.51 | Amarande | speaking of ICC |
| 07:55.55 | olafski | imagine how many people would install it |
| 07:55.57 | olafski | maybe two? :) |
| 07:56.00 | Amarande | I fear my chance of seeing it has dropped since I started playing on my alliance server :| |
| 07:56.09 | Amarande | apparently, the GS requirements are even steeper on Silvermoon Alliance than Turalyon Horde |
| 07:56.12 | Amarande | or is that typical on higher pop servers? |
| 07:56.22 | Jamash | find a guild that isn't made of fail? |
| 07:56.28 | Amarande | On Silvermoon Alliance, now they're going for 3k+ WoW-Heroes GS |
| 07:56.32 | Dagmar | Just find some smaller guilds and get them to work together. |
| 07:56.37 | Amarande | which is like what, 6100, 6200 addon GS? |
| 07:56.44 | zenzio | Amarande: EU or US? |
| 07:56.45 | Amarande | Turalyon only ever tended to demand in the 5000s |
| 07:56.46 | Amarande | US |
| 07:57.02 | Dagmar | What you see people asking for in tradechat has no real bearing on the gearscore levels of people going in there |
| 07:57.04 | Amarande | Jamash: now that my work schedule isn't horribly random, I have a chance of that :) |
| 07:57.19 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean it's like those job postings that ask for 10 years experience? heh |
| 07:57.34 | Dagmar | Yeah, mainly you see them because no one's met the requirements yet |
| 07:57.51 | Amarande | but seriously, what's the highest GS you CAN yet? |
| 07:57.59 | Dagmar | higher pop servers can *withstand* higher demands, but that doesn |
| 07:58.08 | Amarande | I swear I remember someone claiming to have 3800 wow-heroes, but I don't know if that's even possible |
| 07:58.17 | Dagmar | 't mean a bunch of 4000-4500 people aren't whacking them like pinatas |
| 07:58.35 | Amarande | I guess I find the demands more annoying as an EG user |
| 07:58.45 | Dagmar | That's good enough to bust Festergut and the other guy |
| 07:58.45 | Amarande | because I'm looking at my EG on my DK |
| 07:58.53 | Amarande | and noting that I should be doing at LEAST ICC10 now |
| 07:59.02 | Amarande | but GS in the 4700s isn't going to get me in, is the impression I got |
| 07:59.19 | Dagmar | Finish grabbing all the badge gear you can ('cept frost badges) |
| 07:59.30 | Amarande | we're talking not only ilvl appropriate but perfect (according to EG) itemization, enchants and gemming |
| 07:59.51 | Dagmar | My hunter is ~4900. |
| 07:59.59 | Dagmar | I blasted 6k in there recently |
| 08:00.20 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Vladoka is my DK, as of when I played her last |
| 08:00.40 | Amarande | I'm running out of pre-raiding upgrades to look for without spending massive amounts of gold on a hilt or 245+ BoE, and my GS is still sub 5000 |
| 08:00.59 | Dagmar | My DK is at 3823 and I'm still working on a tankign set, which is why I'm flogging Ahune. |
| 08:01.09 | Dagmar | I've gotten one of his cloaks, and now I'm gonna get the other. |
| 08:01.32 | Dagmar | You're not liekly to cross 5000 without going through the tournament raids |
| 08:01.46 | Dagmar | ...or pounding VoA like there's no tomorrow. |
| 08:01.57 | Jamash | I got both cloaks on my dk today :D |
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| 08:02.14 | olafski | aww I'm at 4918 apparently |
| 08:02.25 | Amarande | anyway |
| 08:02.29 | Dagmar | ...but if you've got all the T9 or whatever from heroic badges you should be able to go into ICC10 and at least not suck all the way through to Festergut |
| 08:02.33 | Amarande | with that gear, I should be able to hold my own in icc10n at least, right? :) |
| 08:03.02 | Dagmar | I wasn't joking about the 4100-4500 thing |
| 08:03.10 | olafski | http://wtfismygearscore.com/eu/dragonblight/deathski :D |
| 08:03.37 | Dagmar | If everyone had about 4500 they'd probably bea ble to make to it that damn orc |
| 08:03.48 | Dagmar | The airship is a freaking doddle |
| 08:05.28 | olafski | oh I was wearing my dps gear.. tank gear is better, maybe I'd have broken 5k :P |
| 08:06.10 | Dagmar | Amarande: If I read things correctly, there should be *four* set pieces you can get with badges, and then there's two of the slightly higher non-set pieces to get with the same badges |
| 08:06.22 | Dagmar | ...but you should be able to go into ICC10 and not make a fool of yourself with that |
| 08:07.11 | Dagmar | The first threee fights are all just basically "Do you know the ten rules of WoW". |
| 08:07.23 | Jamash | 1. don't stand in the fire |
| 08:07.33 | Jamash | 2-10. don't stand in the fire |
| 08:07.40 | Dagmar | Don't stand in the stuff, mind your range, attack the right kind of mob, know what a target of opportunity is, etc |
| 08:07.45 | olafski | and probably stand behind the boss jamash ;) |
| 08:07.55 | Dagmar | CRAPLOADS of "don't stand in the fire" on the first one |
| 08:08.11 | Dagmar | I do depise all the running around there, but it makes sure people are _minding where the healer is_ or they dier |
| 08:08.32 | Dagmar | Everyone gets a turn at damage mitigation skills, too. |
| 08:09.04 | Dagmar | There's one bit where he just runs around taking potshots at people. |
| 08:09.58 | Dagmar | Not sure if stand behind the boss even comes into play for any of them, cepting rogues |
| 08:10.21 | olafski | doesn't marrowgar cleave? |
| 08:10.33 | Amarande | Dagmar: don't melee classes in general benefit significantly from stand behind the boss, anyway? |
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| 08:10.37 | Dagmar | Yeah, but I'm generally shooting from 39 feet eleven inches awway |
| 08:10.40 | olafski | that too |
| 08:10.48 | olafski | dagmar: yes, but melee classes don't do that |
| 08:10.55 | olafski | and rogues aren't the only melee class |
| 08:11.00 | Dagmar | That's because they have not the sense to get out of arm's reach. |
| 08:12.21 | Dagmar | Lady Deathwhisper basically starts as a free source of mana, and you do nothing but fight her henchmen until she turns into a pinata. |
| 08:12.56 | Dagmar | Marrogar cleaves, so you don't exactly want to melee in the way of *that* |
| 08:14.58 | Fisker | it isn't a cleave |
| 08:15.14 | Dagmar | Hmm... Looked like it was. Blue swoosh thing |
| 08:15.51 | Dagmar | Ah, bone slice. |
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| 08:22.01 | zenzio | "The online MMOs (...)" *cringe* |
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| 08:24.45 | Esamynn | I have determined that more games need to allow you to re-watch the cinematics after the fact, including the engine generated ones |
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| 08:30.56 | zenzio | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/732506676/client-we-want-out-home-page-to-be-very |
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| 08:38.32 | Esamynn | zenzio: sounds about right to me |
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| 08:43.27 | zenzio | I am intrigued that people are claiming the inspect throttling will be "the death of GS" |
| 08:43.41 | Wobin | rofl |
| 08:43.42 | Wobin | fail |
| 08:43.44 | foxlit | zenzio: people understand nothing, and never will? :) |
| 08:44.01 | zenzio | foxlit: pretty much |
| 08:45.07 | Esamynn | why is that intriguing? |
| 08:45.26 | zenzio | I have trouble seeing things through stupid people's eyes |
| 08:45.34 | Esamynn | I completely expected that reaction from certain segments of the userbase |
| 08:46.02 | Esamynn | zenzio: I'm just thankful that I don't have to go through life that stupid |
| 08:46.19 | zenzio | hehehe |
| 08:46.31 | Jamash | wait, inspect throttling? |
| 08:46.40 | Esamynn | yes |
| 08:47.01 | Jamash | cool |
| 08:55.03 | zenzio | "scrub quits scrub guild, embelishes it on the internet, this is definitely thread worthy" |
| 08:57.01 | olafski | awesome |
| 08:57.01 | olafski | link? |
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| 08:58.48 | zenzio | olafski: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/729366-Epic-Gquit - as someone down the thread somewhere says, it looks like just yet another troll thread on the MMOC general forum |
| 08:59.27 | Fisker | why do you hate me zenzio ? |
| 09:02.36 | olafski | wtf how is that epic :P |
| 09:02.49 | olafski | he should have embelished it a LOT more before it becomes even remotely interesting :( |
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| 09:06.20 | foxlit | "Under the terms of the settlement, Twitter will be barred for 20 years from misleading consumers about the extent to which it maintains and protects the security, privacy, and confidentiality of nonpublic consumer information," |
| 09:06.33 | Jamash | ... |
| 09:06.35 | foxlit | "But in 20 years, feel free to mislead consumers all you like." |
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| 09:06.46 | Jamash | yeah huh |
| 09:07.23 | Fisker | what is that about foxlit ? |
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| 09:16.21 | Wobin | hm |
| 09:16.25 | Wobin | this is kinda working |
| 09:16.32 | Wobin | if not disconnecting from the core every now and again |
| 09:19.09 | olafski | whachu using? |
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| 09:22.03 | Wobin | Quassel |
| 09:22.38 | Wobin | I'd feel better if there was an SSL connection between here and the core, but eh |
| 09:24.45 | olafski | ah |
| 09:24.48 | olafski | I tried using that |
| 09:24.56 | olafski | stayed with irssi though +( |
| 09:25.56 | Wobin | Since I'm mostly windows, it's quite nice |
| 09:26.07 | Wobin | I just run the core on my home server |
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| 09:29.08 | olafski | yeah the idea of a graphical client with screen capabilities seemed nice to me |
| 09:29.15 | olafski | couldn't get the core to work on windows though |
| 09:30.46 | Wobin | was fairly straightforward |
| 09:30.54 | Wobin | run the core, run a client locally to set it up |
| 09:30.57 | Wobin | and you're done |
| 09:31.01 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:31.09 | Wobin | the most issue I had was configuring my router to pass the connection through |
| 09:31.48 | Fisker | it looks like you were slapped Wobin |
| 09:31.55 | Wobin | didn't notice |
| 09:32.10 | Fisker | is sad :( |
| 09:33.38 | airtonix | you ought to be |
| 09:33.51 | mikma | right, now i need to code proper rogue addon |
| 09:34.14 | mikma | SliceCommander eats lots of baby jesus' |
| 09:34.15 | airtonix | libRogueFacist |
| 09:34.42 | Fisker | double sad now airtonix |
| 09:34.43 | Fisker | jerk |
| 09:34.46 | mikma | DeliciousBabies |
| 09:34.55 | airtonix | BlueBabies ? |
| 09:35.24 | airtonix | gives fisker a special baboon |
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| 09:50.31 | Elkano | hmm... wow... just had a hero drop in a non-hero ini... |
| 09:51.53 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:55.05 | Xinhuan | does player inspection now return any arg saying who the data belongs to? |
| 09:56.02 | frontendloader | Xinhuan: I think I had that question a long time ago, and the answer is no |
| 09:56.27 | Xinhuan | so even the default UI will choke then lol |
| 09:56.43 | Xinhuan | if i have the default UI inspect frame up, and i quickly click different people |
| 09:56.50 | frontendloader | if you're cycling through people really fast yea |
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| 10:10.58 | Wobin | Based on Warren Ellisâ graphic novel, an all-star cast led by Bruce Willis, Mary-Louise Parker, Helen Mirren, Morgan Freeman and John Malkovich play ex-CIA agents who canât leave their pasts behind. |
| 10:11.00 | Wobin | holy crap |
| 10:11.10 | Fisker | do not want |
| 10:11.35 | Wobin | See, it even has the Fisker Seal of Approval |
| 10:12.20 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || AVR broken in 3.3.5 http://cot.ag/aYo2YE || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || "they sell a rubber protector that apparently solves the issue" - Lunessa |
| 10:12.31 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || AVR broken in 3.3.5 http://cot.ag/aYo2YE || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || "they sell a rubber protector that apparently solves the issue" - Lunessa |
| 10:14.32 | Fisker | says who Wobin ? |
| 10:14.46 | Fisker | you forgot about inspect throttling Cairenn |
| 10:15.14 | Cairenn | No we didn't: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33432 |
| 10:15.18 | Cairenn | :p |
| 10:15.49 | Fisker | in the topic |
| 10:15.55 | zenzio | who didn't what? |
| 10:16.12 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || Inspect Throttling coming: http://cot.ag/cxdTvX || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || "they sell a rubber protector that apparently solves the issue" - Lunessa |
| 10:16.19 | Cairenn | Happy now? |
| 10:16.23 | Cairenn | ;) |
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| 10:16.53 | Fisker | no because i'm silently wanting you to add both throttling and avr to the topic so you run out of space |
| 10:16.54 | Fisker | :( |
| 10:19.10 | A-KO | I don't think the throttlign will be that big of a deal in the long run |
| 10:19.15 | A-KO | it is probably hammering the servers a bit |
| 10:19.51 | zenzio | I think it's a perfectly justified change, and one that won't actually hurt players |
| 10:19.56 | Fisker | i'm wondering if it's been related to some of the server issues that's been happening the past couple of months on 3 different servers now |
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| 10:32.17 | Elkano | just had THE idea for an addon... vuvuzela sound as long as Horn of Winter buff is up |
| 10:33.06 | zenzio | those of you who don't mind reading subtitles... check out the video at http://jz10.java.no/java-4-ever-trailer.html |
| 10:33.19 | Corrodias | java 4 life, nigga |
| 10:37.25 | Cairenn | Corrodias: >_< |
| 10:37.58 | Corrodias | holds up his gang sign. a 'J'. |
| 10:54.27 | foxlit | Hm, .no |
| 10:54.34 | foxlit | Chances are even the original audio will be hilarious |
| 10:54.57 | zenzio | original audio? |
| 10:55.46 | zenzio | you mean the spoken stuff? |
| 10:56.18 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 10:56.20 | Fisker | you're leaving |
| 10:56.23 | Fisker | on a jetplane |
| 10:56.27 | Fisker | involuntarily |
| 10:57.00 | robokitty | :( |
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| 10:58.26 | foxlit | Fisker: wait, does that mean that if I do it voluntarily, I'm not. |
| 11:00.14 | Fisker | omg hax |
| 11:00.17 | Fisker | msnkitty |
| 11:00.18 | Fisker | go |
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| 11:24.40 | Adys | kd3: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-256.35-driver.html |
| 11:24.45 | Adys | nvidia 25x drivers are out |
| 11:27.35 | Adys | I am torn .. hmmm |
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| 11:28.09 | Adys | screw it, whats the point, I cant resist a big update |
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| 11:30.05 | Fisker | no directx support! |
| 11:33.01 | harl | hallo |
| 11:34.01 | Fisker | slaps harl around a bit with a large trout |
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| 11:34.01 | olafski | elkano: cool idea |
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| 11:34.09 | Adys | haha man, I'm an idiot |
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| 11:34.17 | Adys | look at me, thinking I'd get issues with nvidia drivers |
| 11:34.18 | Fisker | no directx? |
| 11:34.37 | Dagmar | If you were running ATI you'd already be clawing your eyes out |
| 11:34.49 | Adys | i should have known, I've had enough experience for the past years |
| 11:34.53 | Adys | nvidia never makes bad drivers |
| 11:35.23 | Adys | hmmm |
| 11:35.25 | Adys | tries something out |
| 11:35.32 | Dagmar | Oh my GOD |
| 11:35.43 | Dagmar | When did demos become freaking nine gigabytes |
| 11:35.55 | Dagmar | shoots Steam inna face |
| 11:35.56 | zenzio | demos suck anyway |
| 11:36.55 | sylvanaar | feeds his parrot |
| 11:37.07 | Adys | holy crap |
| 11:37.21 | Adys | this warrants a toast |
| 11:37.22 | olafski | hahaha at that trailer zenzio :P |
| 11:37.25 | Adys | 3-digit d3d fps |
| 11:37.33 | airtonix | gawd ati blows chunks |
| 11:37.58 | sylvanaar | it seems like we have to re-learn that every few years |
| 11:38.09 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.41 | Adys | enables shadows |
| 11:39.03 | airtonix | disables Adys |
| 11:40.51 | Maldivia | airtonix: since when has his off-switch worked? |
| 11:41.09 | airtonix | maybe it's a bug |
| 11:51.20 | Adys | kd3: ping |
| 11:51.22 | Adys | or |
| 11:51.22 | Adys | nvm |
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| 12:10.57 | zenzio | http://www.direman.com/direman/comic.php?comicID=291 |
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| 12:25.28 | mikma | [15:24:20] [Baranus] whispers: yo .. do u wanna join our guild mate . casual raiding . |
| 12:25.34 | mikma | [15:24:59] To [Baranus]: lol bar anus |
| 12:26.34 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 12:26.40 | Kalroth | you meanie |
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| 12:28.46 | alestane | offers Peppy pesto chicken. |
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| 12:32.53 | alestane | Basil + olive oil + garlic = okay, yes? |
| 12:32.58 | Lopeppeppy | I am uncertain of the pesto-ness. Is safe? No vinegar? |
| 12:33.17 | Lopeppeppy | Those three things are okay. I will have this for breakfast, in preference to blah oatmeal. Thank you. |
| 12:34.10 | alestane | It's all raw ingredients if you make it in the food processor. Usually it also has Parmesan and pine nuts, but those can be omitted and still have a respectable sauce. |
| 12:34.39 | robokitty | mm roasted pine nuts and parmesan |
| 12:35.34 | Lopeppeppy | alestane cooks for me, I'm flattered. |
| 12:36.03 | alestane | I like cooking. |
| 12:36.19 | foxlit | How does the wow mouse actually dispatch clicks? |
| 12:36.29 | alestane | The family has always specialized in what we refer to as "Cafe Thrown-together." |
| 12:36.35 | foxlit | i.e. what actually fires when you press button #42? |
| 12:37.59 | Lopeppeppy | Depends, what did you bind it to? :) |
| 12:38.33 | foxlit | Nothing; mainly wondering about its native dispatch. |
| 12:39.08 | Fisker | hey alestane |
| 12:39.08 | Fisker | i trolled u |
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| 12:52.41 | foxlit | http://wow.curse.com/login.aspx?ReturnUrl=/ |
| 12:52.57 | foxlit | Well done, curse. Your login page has no obvious way to log in. |
| 12:53.37 | foxlit | In fact, it has no way to log in at all? |
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| 12:55.18 | Kraps | Shirik: ping |
| 12:55.37 | Cide | Kraps, pong |
| 12:55.47 | foxlit | And the Schrödinger's cat session system redirects me to my profile after I click "sign up" only to claim that I'm not logged in. |
| 12:55.58 | Lothaer | does anyone know of any AdvancedTradeSkill type mods, ATSW dosnt work, Skillet has been abandoned and this new one Cauldron dosnt work properly either |
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| 12:56.22 | Trela | foxlit: The sign in boxes are missing because you are signed in. |
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| 12:56.25 | Fisker | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional - Service Pack 1, v.178 (6.1.7601) |
| 12:56.35 | foxlit | Trela: but I'm not signed in as far as any other page is concerned |
| 12:57.04 | foxlit | It's all "You need to login or register to post" and "Enjoy amazing Curse.com Features! Login!" |
| 12:57.05 | Trela | You may still have the auth.curse.com cookie in there, but not the cookies for just .curse.com. |
| 12:57.10 | Jamash | I recommend clearing your cookies for the site |
| 12:57.42 | Trela | The authentication system can be a little screwy when cookies go bad. |
| 12:57.50 | foxlit | Anyway, the login page is on the same domain as the page I'm trying to be logged in on. |
| 12:57.56 | Fisker | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional - Service Pack 1, v.178 (6.1.7601) |
| 12:58.05 | foxlit | So it's getting exactly the same cookies. |
| 13:01.41 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/06/25/breakfast-topic-whats-your-story/comments/28881760/ |
| 13:01.43 | Trela | foxlit: The cookie domains get set as auth.curse.com for the login cookie and .curse.com for every thing else. |
| 13:01.45 | foxlit | Clearing them worked, though. |
| 13:02.09 | foxlit | Trela: it's kind of meh |
| 13:02.36 | Trela | Mmhmm. I keep suggesting improvements... Heading in to work, be back soon. |
| 13:02.39 | batrick | man, cnn tech journalists are extremely lazy |
| 13:02.40 | batrick | http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/06/24/iphone.4.problems/index.html?hpt=C1 |
| 13:02.51 | foxlit | The only auth. cookie is networkcookie, and it's value is sent to .curse as Network.Session anyway |
| 13:02.56 | batrick | they basically repost shit that happens in smaller tech news sites |
| 13:03.06 | batrick | in this case Gizmodo (a testament to their bad taste) |
| 13:03.29 | mikma | what enchant into rogue dagger, accuracy (+25 crit and hit) or agility (+15) (not buying berzerk for "lowlevel dagger" ;) |
| 13:03.33 | batrick | i also find it amusing gizmodo is posting complaints about the iphone after all the attempted Apple butt kissing |
| 13:03.50 | Trela | foxlit: Do you use any thing like NoScript or AdBlock? |
| 13:03.54 | foxlit | Trela: no. |
| 13:03.56 | Trela | Okay. |
| 13:03.59 | Trela | Off I go! |
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| 13:04.08 | Dagmar | It's actually fairly serious that Apple has a design problem that makes the phone not work when you hold it |
| 13:04.39 | Dagmar | It could explain quite a bit, actually, too |
| 13:04.53 | batrick | apparently it's a software bar display glitch according tot he article according to apple |
| 13:05.04 | Jamash | who actually uses an iphone to make calls or surf the web, though? |
| 13:05.17 | Jamash | you're supposed to bask in the glow of almighty Jobs |
| 13:05.18 | batrick | ya... |
| 13:05.26 | batrick | i thought you were supposed to stare at it and have a good wank |
| 13:05.40 | zenzio | that's why it has such a good accelerometer |
| 13:06.08 | Jamash | ifap? |
| 13:06.09 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.18 | batrick | these fuckign amateurs are pissing me off |
| 13:06.32 | batrick | "i'm a tech pro cuz i notice a bar difference: "it probably doesn't matter" |
| 13:06.38 | Jamash | hurr |
| 13:07.26 | batrick | "When the company's CEO, Steve Jobs, unveiled the new phone at an event in San Francisco, California, he said that making the antenna part of the body of the phone was "really cool engineering."" |
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| 13:07.37 | batrick | ya... that's only been pretty standard for at least the last 5 years |
| 13:07.56 | batrick | is leaving rant mode. |
| 13:07.57 | zenzio | existing doesn't mean it's new until Apple picks up on it |
| 13:08.03 | zenzio | like, say, video calls |
| 13:08.05 | Jamash | ^ |
| 13:08.18 | Fisker | leave apple alone :( |
| 13:09.35 | olafski | yeah it's nice that steve invented video calling |
| 13:09.37 | olafski | seems like a good feature |
| 13:09.43 | olafski | microsoft even stole the idea and put it into kinect |
| 13:09.53 | batrick | bastards! |
| 13:10.01 | batrick | they stole the mouse too |
| 13:10.05 | batrick | and guis |
| 13:10.14 | Jamash | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/646673542/the-forbidden-fruit |
| 13:10.20 | olafski | friggin thieves them is |
| 13:10.51 | Jamash | from Xerox lol |
| 13:11.21 | Kraps | Jamash: wow |
| 13:11.38 | batrick | meh |
| 13:12.45 | Fisker | haha yeah batrick |
| 13:12.52 | Fisker | i remember when they launched the "mighty mouse" |
| 13:12.53 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 13:13.46 | olafski | jamash: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l46id9zdPm1qzwya5o1_500.png ;-) |
| 13:14.05 | Jamash | yep |
| 13:20.54 | mikma | [16:20:23] [Holyfighter-Bronze Dragonflight] says: At least try to hit me. |
| 13:20.55 | mikma | [16:20:32] [Holyfighter-Bronze Dragonflight] says: That's my shield. |
| 13:21.02 | mikma | me <3 mob taunt addons |
| 13:21.28 | olafski | lol |
| 13:22.10 | zenzio | for a while after I got my level 70 tank gun in BC I had my Shoot macro yell "Say hello to my little friend" roughly every fifth shot |
| 13:22.14 | mikma | [16:21:51] Holyfighter-Bronze Dragonflight feigns a step to the right, then slides around his opponent's attack on the left. |
| 13:24.06 | foxlit | [16:21:52] You are now ignoring Holyfighter-Bronze Dragonflight. |
| 13:25.40 | mikma | he's a good tank doing normal runs (gear update) |
| 13:26.10 | mikma | normal FoS, PoS, ToC = rogue heaven |
| 13:26.31 | Fisker | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25552395581&sid=1&pageNo=9#160 |
| 13:30.59 | Alram | haha Fisker |
| 13:30.59 | Alram | win |
| 13:32.20 | Fisker | macs don't know what commands are, and how they should be entered |
| 13:32.21 | Fisker | :3 |
| 13:32.39 | mikma | woot! 2x Heartshiver |
| 13:41.38 | Dagmar | Have ice chip and scythe... Still haven't gotten the enchanting pattern or the tanking cloak. *sigh* |
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| 13:52.59 | Legorol | why can level 78s join the Ahune event :S |
| 13:53.14 | Dagmar | Because my warlock is level 77. |
| 13:53.19 | Dagmar | It's also, not a heroic. |
| 13:53.55 | Dagmar | ...and thank you for mentioning that they could, because I'm sure I can pound out a half a level on that lock tomorrow |
| 13:54.32 | Kaso | Is the pattern still available this year? |
| 13:54.41 | Dagmar | I just got it, so yes. |
| 13:55.03 | Dagmar | ...now if I can just get the Icebound Cloak to drop. |
| 13:55.43 | Kaso | you can run it multiple times a day for the cloaks you know |
| 13:56.50 | Kaso | i just did it for like an hour in a row on my tank and got it |
| 13:57.04 | Dagmar | I'm on pass #8 |
| 13:57.49 | Legorol | i don't think L78s should be able to join, when the event drops i232 epics |
| 13:59.22 | Wobin | they can't wear them til 80 |
| 13:59.28 | Wobin | at least |
| 14:01.35 | Kaso | i dont really mind |
| 14:01.52 | Kaso | 90% of the time the cloaks seem to go to waste anyway, someone might as well use it |
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| 14:45.12 | Ackis | blarghs on your faces |
| 15:03.17 | airtonix | fisker |
| 15:03.46 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/062010/insanity_wolf_of_the_day.jpg |
| 15:05.28 | airtonix | i'm laughing on the inside |
| 15:05.48 | Mihau | I would so do that. |
| 15:07.11 | airtonix | fisker, i like when asked for system specs, user replies : macosx |
| 15:08.16 | alestane | Contradictions 101: http://clientsfromhell.net/post/732506676/client-we-want-out-home-page-to-be-very |
| 15:08.44 | Fisker | hey airtonix |
| 15:10.03 | Fisker | the new messenger is so fucking retarded it's horrible |
| 15:10.24 | Fisker | when you link to a screenshot it automatically launches photo sharing and uploads it there instead |
| 15:10.37 | Dagmar | Blame "Azure" |
| 15:10.50 | Fisker | they also removed display names |
| 15:10.58 | Fisker | so noone on my messenger knows who the fuck i am :D |
| 15:12.34 | Wobin | I'm not much for tattoos... but man, I like this one: http://img.oddstuffmagazine.com/2010/05/scientific-tattoo-ideas-03-580x488.jpg |
| 15:13.59 | nicoli_s | i think at some point ill have to get at least one greatful dead bear tatoo to embrace my hippie roots |
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| 15:14.55 | nicoli_s | my sister all got a shit ton of tatoos of these doodles/drawing my stepfather did on acid, really odd |
| 15:18.02 | Fisker | how do you draw doodles on acid? |
| 15:19.11 | Kaso | As ambigrams go that tattoo is pretty hard to get |
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| 15:20.07 | nicoli_s | ambigram? |
| 15:21.24 | Kaso | words that are written to be able to be read multiple different ways |
| 15:21.31 | Kaso | like that tattoo |
| 15:22.00 | Fisker | come on nicoli_s |
| 15:22.02 | Okiesmokie | Is there an API function to send a RealID broadcast? |
| 15:22.02 | Fisker | i'm intrigued |
| 15:22.24 | nicoli_s | fisker: you know what i mean |
| 15:24.29 | foxlit | lua> math.log(8)/math.log(2) |
| 15:24.30 | lua_bot | foxlit: 3 |
| 15:24.35 | alestane | There sort of must be, Okiesmokie, the stock UI does it somehow. |
| 15:24.36 | foxlit | way to go lua <3 |
| 15:24.54 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.3.5/API_changes << in there somewhere |
| 15:25.34 | Fisker | you're no fun nicoli_s |
| 15:26.02 | foxlit | probably BNSetCustomMessage? |
| 15:26.31 | Okiesmokie | Ah, thanks :) |
| 15:37.42 | Ackis | Fisker: http://trollcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/youre_a_great_friend_but_if_the_zombies_chase_us_im_tripping_you_trollcat.jpg |
| 15:39.24 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
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| 15:49.44 | Ackis | hi Fisker |
| 15:49.45 | Ackis | ilu |
| 15:51.44 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 15:51.46 | Fisker | ih8u |
| 15:54.00 | Ackis | :( |
| 15:56.33 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:56.43 | Fisker | one hour Ackis |
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| 16:08.32 | mikma | anyone remembers the tutorial for creating StatusBar? |
| 16:11.08 | foxlit | bar = CreateFrame("StatusBar"); -- done? |
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| 16:16.00 | alestane | So, um, how do I set a button as the default in a window in a Cocoa nib file? |
| 16:17.24 | mikma | foxlit: there's quite alot more that needs to be put in there |
| 16:17.33 | foxlit | mikma: oh? |
| 16:18.49 | alestane | Oh, you want a USABLE StatusBar. |
| 16:19.20 | foxlit | alestane: first google result says "set its key equivalent to \r" |
| 16:19.42 | alestane | Huh. Its key equivalent menu is disabled. |
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| 16:19.56 | foxlit | It's not disabled. |
| 16:20.04 | foxlit | It's just weird. |
| 16:20.08 | alestane | It's grey and doesn't pop up. |
| 16:20.11 | foxlit | click, press enter, done |
| 16:20.23 | alestane | Ah, it's not really a menu. |
| 16:20.30 | alestane | thx |
| 16:20.43 | alestane | That did indeed cause it to turn blue. |
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| 16:21.05 | alestane | I have resigned myself to learning Objective-C for API interactions. |
| 16:22.46 | alestane | Any advice as to whether I'm better off building a controller class, or extending the window class, to handle custom behaviors? |
| 16:23.25 | foxlit | Not from me, sorry. |
| 16:23.27 | alestane | kk |
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| 16:28.46 | Wobin | alestane: you poor thing |
| 16:32.11 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 16:32.12 | Fisker | hello |
| 16:35.43 | mikma | ~framexml |
| 16:35.44 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
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| 16:41.32 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:41.34 | Fisker | Wobin hates me |
| 16:43.08 | Lopeppeppy | Aww. |
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| 16:45.28 | mikma | now, i wonder why this texture gets wrapped around instead of scaling in the statusbar |
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| 16:49.55 | NightHawkTheSane | it vaguely amuses me the way companies use css modal windows to 'force' you to fill out a form before using part of their site. A few javascript statements into the console and that's out of the way. |
| 16:50.46 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:54.59 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh. |
| 16:55.29 | Fisker | free trouts for everyone |
| 16:55.46 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh uh. Not sharing my special slapping trouts. |
| 16:56.56 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 16:57.50 | bryno | http://www.collider.com/2010/06/25/sam-raimi-interview-world-of-warcraft-movie-oz-the-hobbit-saturn-awards/ |
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| 17:27.47 | Ackis | This year's World Cup is shaping up like WW2. France gave up early, the Yanks arrived late, and England is left to fight the Germans (soccerne |
| 17:27.52 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:31.49 | Zyn | then suddenly, ARGENTINA OUT OF NOWHERE |
| 17:31.52 | Zyn | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
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| 17:35.19 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:35.36 | Thunder_Child | bomb |
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| 17:40.04 | haste | Shirik: http://jz10.java.no/java-4-ever-trailer.html |
| 17:40.31 | Ackis | bah the dream job I applied for last week was cancelled. |
| 17:40.34 | Ackis | SLAP TO THE FACE |
| 17:40.48 | Ackis | good news to dump on me 4 hours before I start my vacation |
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| 17:41.33 | NightHawkTheSane | firefox needs to get off their high horse and support h.264 already |
| 17:41.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: they cancalled it entirely because they saw you applied. |
| 17:42.40 | Ackis | =/ |
| 17:42.57 | KarlKFI | lol haste, that's awesome |
| 17:43.41 | haste | they made some equally awesome ones last year as well, but they're all in norwegian |
| 17:43.50 | foxlit | that's a plus, tbh |
| 17:43.52 | haste | and I think they've taken them down |
| 17:45.11 | foxlit | Better than http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_uBoSRwhLQ tbh |
| 17:45.36 | Xinhuan | has anyone figured out what new good games are on promotion today (day 2)? lol |
| 17:52.37 | Xinhuan | alien vs predator 2000 at $1.25 |
| 17:52.39 | Xinhuan | heh |
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| 17:58.26 | Fisker | haste |
| 17:58.35 | Fisker | can wine do dx10 or dx11? |
| 17:58.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Does anyone know how I can determine if the browser can play h.264 video? |
| 17:58.51 | Fisker | open a h.264 video |
| 17:58.51 | haste | Fisker: barely dx10, pretty much none dx11 |
| 17:58.57 | Fisker | k |
| 17:59.10 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: youtube |
| 17:59.16 | cbreak | is an option |
| 17:59.24 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: i meant programatically ;) |
| 17:59.37 | cbreak | wonder if it sends it in some http header |
| 17:59.40 | cbreak | there are tones of them |
| 17:59.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i found something, though. |
| 18:00.10 | cbreak | doesn't seem like it |
| 18:00.27 | foxlit | I'm sure <vidio> itself will give you some feedback if you try to feed it junk |
| 18:00.30 | NightHawkTheSane | looks like you can check the video tag specifically to see if it play's a mime type |
| 18:00.35 | NightHawkTheSane | plays* |
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| 18:07.18 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 18:08.06 | cbreak | since when is foxlit a verb? |
| 18:11.33 | alestane | Since Fisker, I'm afraid. |
| 18:11.40 | alestane | Everyone is a verb to Fisker. |
| 18:11.46 | Fisker | you can't question me alestane |
| 18:11.48 | Fisker | you're a mvp |
| 18:11.51 | alestane | Did I? |
| 18:11.52 | Fisker | moral high road or postwipe |
| 18:12.44 | alestane | Fortunately, I know plenty of other people who will usually be more than happy to do my dirty work for me. |
| 18:12.54 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25552677013/bug-invincible-mount <-omg |
| 18:12.55 | Fisker | omg |
| 18:12.57 | Fisker | oh my god |
| 18:12.58 | Fisker | omg |
| 18:13.00 | Fisker | wtf |
| 18:13.00 | Fisker | wat |
| 18:13.01 | Fisker | omg |
| 18:13.13 | Fisker | mind = blown |
| 18:14.43 | Odlaw | ... |
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| 18:15.55 | zenzelezz | one does not simply Fisker |
| 18:24.39 | foxlit | The funny thing about those inspection changes |
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| 18:24.54 | foxlit | Is that they don't touch GS at all -- you don't go to the server to get *inventory* data. |
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| 18:28.32 | foxlit | [partially true -- you actually go to the server to figure out the socketed gems] |
| 18:29.18 | zenzelezz | so you suppose the client already know people's gear, and not just the models? (I have no idea how they've implemented it) |
| 18:29.54 | Maldivia | the client knows the gear |
| 18:30.00 | foxlit | zenzelezz: that's my working theory. It also knows the enchants. |
| 18:30.01 | Maldivia | or well, the items are loaded to the item cache, so |
| 18:32.53 | foxlit | Hate how useless /eventtrace is |
| 18:33.33 | foxlit | They seemingly removed the ability to filter prefixes, which means that you're being spammed by 42 COMBAT_LOG_EVENT(_UNFILTERED)? every second even while in a zone where no combat is possible |
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| 18:44.11 | Fisker | lolol |
| 18:44.13 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/25/iphone-4-and-tomtom-car-kit-brought-together-with-velcro/ |
| 18:44.22 | Fisker | "Disappointed to find out that your brand new iPhone 4 won't work with the TomTom Car Kit for iPhone you paid $100 for?" |
| 18:44.29 | Fisker | Why would they be disappointed about that? |
| 18:44.48 | Fisker | The iPhone 4 is worth much more and they're apparently not disappointed over Steve Jobs basically telling them to fuck off? |
| 18:44.52 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 18:53.06 | alestane | I know Iriel's been talking about the possibility of restoring event filtering in /eventtrace, foxlit. |
| 18:53.15 | alestane | No promises but it is on the table. |
| 18:53.35 | zenzelezz | does DevTools still work? |
| 18:53.36 | Fisker | sonic the hedgehog |
| 18:53.41 | foxlit | yes. |
| 18:56.51 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:56.55 | Fisker | sonic |
| 18:56.57 | Fisker | he can really move |
| 19:04.09 | foxlit | Can I check whether a particular widget is already added to the swing layout manager? |
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| 19:07.59 | cogwheel | alright... who's got an addon that makes the new chat windows not dumb |
| 19:09.21 | cbreak | what new chat windows? |
| 19:09.52 | cogwheel | the ones from 3.3.5 |
| 19:10.14 | cogwheel | they won't go to the bottom of the screen, you can only resize them from the lower right corner, etc |
| 19:11.58 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: I /think/ chatters fixed the former thing |
| 19:12.15 | Seerah | PhanxChat has also been updated for that stuff, iirc |
| 19:12.42 | Thunder_Child | prat is working resonably well |
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| 19:16.03 | cbreak | I didn't notice any new patch |
| 19:16.31 | cogwheel | it was only 23mb |
| 19:16.36 | cogwheel | you might've thought it was a tools patch |
| 19:18.12 | cbreak | seems I play with WoW 3.3.3 |
| 19:18.28 | cogwheel | maybe it hasn't been deployed to other regions? |
| 19:18.48 | cbreak | I am on the european servers |
| 19:19.51 | cogwheel | i wonder why they didn't change the ## Interface to 30305... they did add new apis, after all. |
| 19:20.52 | cbreak | did they change old ones? |
| 19:22.32 | Torhal | cogwheel: Only the US servers got the patch. The European servers will this coming Wednesday from what I've heard. |
| 19:24.42 | Antiarc | "Intel will ship a fully native x86 version of Android 2.2 âFroyoâ to developers in the next two months to spur growth of Atom-powered Android netbooks and slates." |
| 19:24.45 | Antiarc | That's friggin' awesome |
| 19:25.10 | Antiarc | That could very possibly spark homebrew Android devices. |
| 19:25.21 | cbreak | why do you think that? |
| 19:25.30 | cbreak | making a small and compelling enclosure is hard |
| 19:25.31 | Antiarc | Because x86 hardware is easy to get ahold of ala carte |
| 19:25.41 | Antiarc | ARM hardware is less readily available |
| 19:25.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: awesome. |
| 19:25.49 | cbreak | you can't just take a box, wire some gear together and be done |
| 19:25.57 | Antiarc | Why not? |
| 19:26.12 | Antiarc | I mean, you'll have driver concerns, but I said "homebrew" |
| 19:27.08 | cbreak | no, I was thinking purely about hardware |
| 19:27.15 | Antiarc | http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=309&name=Mini-Booksize-Barebone-Systems =) |
| 19:27.26 | cbreak | I suck at metalworking |
| 19:27.30 | cbreak | but I've done it in school |
| 19:27.34 | Antiarc | I'm thinking like an entertainment center device |
| 19:27.37 | Antiarc | Not a homebrew tablet |
| 19:27.42 | cbreak | I can't imagine normal people being able to create something compelling |
| 19:27.50 | cbreak | hmm, that sounds more possible |
| 19:28.05 | cbreak | a wooden box might look retro :) |
| 19:28.24 | mikma | i don't get this... http://mikma.pastey.net/138045 creates http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_062510_222637.jpg this. but why is the texture like that? :I |
| 19:28.28 | mikma | FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 19:29.34 | mikma | oh, this same happens with shadowed's GTB ^^ |
| 19:30.26 | Seerah | mikma: because of patch 3.3.3 |
| 19:30.31 | Seerah | you have to tell it not to tile |
| 19:32.20 | mikma | gah, how to do that then? |
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| 19:34.53 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 19:35.12 | Fisker | do you know how long the login on the wow remote app is active? |
| 19:35.23 | Antiarc | No idea |
| 19:35.52 | Fisker | what about in general? |
| 19:36.05 | Antiarc | General sessions can persist for hours |
| 19:36.09 | Antiarc | You could check cookie expiry |
| 19:36.46 | Fisker | well i mean since you've made that site that does statistics |
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| 19:38.50 | Seerah | mikma: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31448&highlight=statusbar+texture |
| 19:39.18 | mikma | seerah: oh, thanks babeh! |
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| 19:42.01 | Seerah | heh... they just so *happened* to already have a product out to avoid this issue - all it costs you is $30! http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2010/06/apple-admits-iphone-4-antenna-issues/1 |
| 19:44.34 | Maldivia | Seerah: apple is good at creating a marked for things you didn't know you needed :P |
| 19:46.12 | zenzelezz | imagine how rich Forest Gump would be today |
| 19:46.22 | Seerah | lol |
| 19:47.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: I think claiming that they left/added the flaw to sell cases is one step too far off the deep end. :P |
| 19:47.25 | Seerah | I didn't say that ;) not in so many words.... /smirk :) |
| 19:47.36 | Seerah | but if you feel you see the connection.... :D |
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| 19:47.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: I'm saying seeing the connection is tin-foil-hattery :P |
| 19:48.01 | Seerah | hehe |
| 19:49.10 | Seerah | really, though... If the phone loses reception when like in the manner that most people hold their phones... That's a flaw that shouldn't have really made it into the final product, imo |
| 19:49.23 | Seerah | *when held in the manner |
| 19:50.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: i agree. But it's also a flaw that's very easy to miss if you simply never hold the phone like that. Personally, I rarely do. And if most/all field testing of the device was done in a a case to diguise it.. |
| 19:50.51 | NightHawkTheSane | it's pretty concievable that it's something that got overlooked. |
| 19:50.57 | NightHawkTheSane | it shouldn't have, but *shrug* |
| 19:51.16 | zenzelezz | I prefer the theory that it wasn't detected because the testers all used the cover thing to make it look like a 3GS |
| 19:51.27 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: you mean what i just said? :P |
| 19:51.36 | zenzelezz | I prefer my words |
| 19:51.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet you do, trebek. |
| 19:53.49 | Seerah | wheee! DirectTV guy on his way over and it's about to thunderstorm |
| 19:55.10 | zenzelezz | thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightening me... |
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| 19:59.13 | NightHawkTheSane | grumbles about firefox and flash |
| 20:02.11 | Ackis | Syncrude just got found guilty of killing 1600 ducks in an oil spill in northern alberta /cheer |
| 20:02.34 | foxlit | That's 1600 duck-life sentences? |
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| 20:02.36 | NightHawkTheSane | got a link? |
| 20:03.26 | Ackis | no story yet, it just happened |
| 20:03.28 | Ackis | http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/06/25/edmonton-syncrude-duck-trial-verdict-expected.html |
| 20:03.31 | Ackis | last story about it |
| 20:08.18 | Ackis | Syncrude Guilty: Judge Ken Tjosvold - "Syncrude has not established it used due diligence to avoid the offences." |
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| 20:24.08 | Thunder_Child | i'm meeeelting, meeeeelting |
| 20:27.04 | Adys | Bugs fixed in 1.2-rc5: 13891 start.exe http://someurl/ does not work (affects any app that invokes external browser, e.g. Google Sketchup) |
| 20:27.05 | Adys | :D |
| 20:27.55 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: http://bit.ly/9hY4YK |
| 20:28.05 | Adys | Gosh that was burning my OCD |
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| 20:32.27 | Thunder_Child | i dont know why freedom force got such a high review score, it is such a bad game |
| 20:34.28 | cbreak | maybe they bought advertising spots in the magazine |
| 20:35.23 | Thunder_Child | both metacritic and gamespot had high reviews |
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| 20:41.43 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
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| 20:45.12 | Thunder_Child | FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISKER |
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| 20:50.13 | cogwheel | vuvuzelas Fisker around a bit with a large vuvuzela |
| 20:51.38 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 20:51.40 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 20:51.44 | Fisker | not so hey Dotoff |
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| 20:59.10 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 20:59.13 | Fisker | not so hey pompy1 |
| 21:01.33 | Fisker | slaps cog|away around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:19.36 | Fisker | hey haste are you there? |
| 21:20.07 | haste | hey Fisker |
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| 21:21.46 | mikma | ruuuuun |
| 21:21.50 | mikma | is a trap |
| 21:22.16 | Fisker | it is |
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| 21:24.38 | Lunessa | Dear work, FU. Signed, Me. |
| 21:25.54 | Lunessa | I just got this project assigned to me, "Create blog accounts in /name of tool redacted/ and give access to /list of people/." Me: What? We have blogging software that I'm supposed to manage? When was someone going to tell me? |
| 21:26.42 | wereHamster | they told you right now, didn't they? |
| 21:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
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| 21:31.39 | Fisker | you NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:31.50 | mikma | you jane |
| 21:33.16 | Lunessa | wereHamster: I'm so exited. I'm going to replace everyone's blog banner graphic with hobbits playing vuvuzelas. |
| 21:34.54 | Lunessa | Also, I found this to be an interesting read: http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys-blog/2010/6/24/apple-iphone-4-antennas.html |
| 21:35.47 | Thunder_Child | TAINT GONNA HAPPEN |
| 21:37.59 | mikma | http://j.laggy.eu/u/20100626_004.jpg - my friends spending time at cottage, go midsummer fest! |
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| 21:39.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, i saw that yesterday |
| 21:39.30 | Lunessa | When you have antenna questions, go to the antenna guys. |
| 21:43.56 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: killall Steam.exe has become my mantra when installing multiple games. |
| 21:44.17 | Torhal | When I re-start, they run just fine. |
| 21:44.36 | Torhal | There's something fucky with the "Preparing files for install" segment |
| 21:46.59 | Fisker | you Lunessa |
| 21:50.01 | ZorbaGama | is anyone from Wowinterface around? |
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| 21:55.07 | Thunder_Child | Seerah, Cairenn, dolby. they never leave |
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| 22:07.12 | Corrodias | always watching |
| 22:10.45 | Fisker | slaps Corrodias around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:12.38 | foxlit | It's interesting that youtube's autosuggest comes up with phrases with no matches on youtube |
| 22:13.31 | Thunder_Child | ;ies |
| 22:13.34 | Thunder_Child | lies* |
| 22:14.00 | Fisker | sounds boring |
| 22:14.11 | Thunder_Child | are you bored Fisker? |
| 22:14.18 | Thunder_Child | are there not enough things to entertain you |
| 22:14.19 | foxlit | No, Fisker is boring. |
| 22:17.51 | Slackwise | Soooo... |
| 22:17.57 | Slackwise | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrfpnbGXL70 |
| 22:18.09 | Slackwise | just leaves that right there... |
| 22:19.00 | foxlit | Third time today |
| 22:19.21 | Slackwise | I'm just emulating Java's speed.... |
| 22:19.23 | Slackwise | <.< |
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| 22:19.58 | foxlit | That'd be fine if that was what you were doing; but the net effect is that you're stuttering. |
| 22:21.37 | foxlit | Do people actually get 60fps in 25-man raids? |
| 22:21.44 | foxlit | Or is that just a forum myth? |
| 22:21.50 | Thunder_Child | i can |
| 22:22.48 | foxlit | I'm hovering somewhere around 25, and can't find a piece of hardware to blame :/ |
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| 22:23.25 | Corrodias | so could i, when looking at a wall |
| 22:24.05 | foxlit | 25 looking at pretty sparkly explosony stuff, though |
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| 22:27.13 | foxlit | Blizzard should totally collate and publish some fps / system configuration stats |
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| 22:29.15 | Arrowmaster | so what has facebook done so that i can not click to view all comments anymore? |
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| 22:42.17 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: depending on the situation, I can see up to ~45fps in a raid (during combat) |
| 22:42.32 | NightHawkTheSane | but, most of the time it ranges ~20-35 |
| 22:42.59 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: sounds like my sort of situation |
| 22:43.28 | NightHawkTheSane | (I don't actually believe that anyone with max settings in combat with a raid boss will actually see sustained fps above 60, and claims to do are pretty much just "my system is better than yours" epeenery. |
| 22:43.49 | foxlit | What's weird is that settings seem to be pretty much irrelevant |
| 22:44.05 | foxlit | There's practically no difference in performance between 8xFSAA and 1xFSAA |
| 22:44.13 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: some are, some aren't, i think |
| 22:44.36 | foxlit | Haven't found a knob I can turn to get shitty images at blazing speeds. |
| 22:44.51 | NightHawkTheSane | them all? down? :P |
| 22:45.05 | Thunder_Child | and the prblems is you cant fraps that because fraps it's self degrades fps |
| 22:45.07 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, the game's not really terribly gpu bound |
| 22:45.49 | foxlit | Hey, turning them all down gets... 56 in Dalaran. |
| 22:45.57 | foxlit | Was at 45 with most things up |
| 22:46.58 | foxlit | particle density + view distance and it's back to 45. |
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| 22:47.44 | AbsolutRayne | Afternoon all :) |
| 22:48.33 | AbsolutRayne | Who here is using STUF? |
| 22:48.49 | Thunder_Child | i use stuff all the time |
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| 22:49.32 | foxlit | xframe, personally. |
| 22:49.32 | AbsolutRayne | :| |
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| 22:51.20 | AbsolutRayne | nm, Found what I was looking for |
| 22:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah, particle density & view distance seem like the two that have the biggest impact. |
| 22:52.21 | alestane | Anyone have any guidance on common VNC servers for Fedora or Linux in general? |
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| 22:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: tightvnc? |
| 22:59.27 | alestane | We're setting up a household file server and just trying to get it set up so we can administer it remotely. I have no opinions of any of these packages yet, and I don't think any of them are installed yet either. |
| 22:59.33 | alestane | So possibly. |
| 22:59.51 | foxlit | UIFaster made things go faster. Surprise. |
| 23:00.19 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: fedora might have one build in, maybe. i dont know... |
| 23:00.44 | foxlit | Administer it like a server; from an SSH command line? |
| 23:01.28 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: http://bobpeers.com/linux/vnc.php |
| 23:01.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah usually when setting up a server you dont even install an xserver |
| 23:02.03 | NightHawkTheSane | (that said, i agree with foxlit and Arrowmaster) |
| 23:02.20 | alestane | It's also a learning and practice environment, so there are advantages to having several methods available. |
| 23:02.40 | foxlit | Um. You do not want your file server to be a practice environment. |
| 23:02.48 | foxlit | That kind of undermines the purpose of storing files on it. |
| 23:03.05 | alestane | It's only serving to the two of us. |
| 23:03.07 | Arrowmaster | just about every server daemon will require you to drop down to a terminal anyway to work with it |
| 23:03.24 | foxlit | # Your quest is so right, you can't go left. |
| 23:03.34 | alestane | And Kat wants somewhere to learn managing Linux to some degree. |
| 23:04.00 | NightHawkTheSane | well, no better way to learn than jumping in the deep end ;) |
| 23:04.20 | alestane | Well, thank you for the link. |
| 23:04.24 | foxlit | As someone who's managed to do a chmod -r o-x on /bin, I don't recommend learning linux on anything that will store data you rely on |
| 23:04.33 | alestane | Anyone else have any advice that isn't "Don't bother"? |
| 23:04.48 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: done worse, i broke glibc |
| 23:04.51 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: googling around for it can probably turn up some other info. i foud that just searching for "fedora vnc server" |
| 23:05.19 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: how about, don't listen to us jokers and do what you want? :) |
| 23:05.37 | alestane | Well, I wanted opinions, and I guess I got them. |
| 23:06.13 | foxlit | "We're starting by capping the number of Inspects that can be sent in a 10-second time frame. It'll likely be 5 Inspects, but that could change in either direction. " |
| 23:06.16 | foxlit | Hey, details, neat |
| 23:06.40 | Arrowmaster | majority opinion, if you plan to learn to actually use linux and not just run programs, you will need to use the shell A LOT |
| 23:06.43 | alestane | And while I love having terminals or single-user mode available for getting into nitty-gritty details, I've also found the GUIs perfectly adequate and fairly quick for a lot of routine tasks. |
| 23:07.25 | Arrowmaster | ive never found a gui capable of configuring anything except other gui stuff |
| 23:07.47 | alestane | And yes, I know a lot of those CLIs are ultra-efficient in terms of total movement, but that also requires you have them all memorized. |
| 23:08.37 | Arrowmaster | not really, its mostly just having a man page open in one window and doing stuff in another |
| 23:09.00 | Arrowmaster | its mostly just editing text files or figuring out the exact command you need to run and the exact arguments to use |
| 23:09.05 | foxlit | Anyhow, staying in X might actually be a good idea if someone is learning linux -- less chance of an "oops I deleted everything" |
| 23:09.19 | alestane | Editing text files: another thing I *abhor* doing through a terminal program. |
| 23:09.31 | Arrowmaster | oh yes, and keep them from logging in as root |
| 23:09.35 | foxlit | nano <3 |
| 23:09.39 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: even if you do set up a vnc server, i'd encourage you both to try working on the shell as much as possible. you may not NEED it get around, but it's VERY handy |
| 23:09.53 | alestane | I know there are people out there who will swear that there is nothing as efficient as emacs/vim/nano. |
| 23:10.08 | Arrowmaster | nano is not efficient |
| 23:10.16 | Arrowmaster | its a simple editor |
| 23:10.17 | foxlit | The neat thing about nano is that you can actually use it without reading its man page. |
| 23:10.20 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: those people are nuts. but picking one of those and learning it well enough to edit a sizable config file is a good skill to have if you want to work with linux |
| 23:10.34 | foxlit | vi's colon-prompt is haunting. |
| 23:10.53 | alestane | There's stuff I love the shell for, NHtS. And I can find my way around vim. But I can do most spot edits at least as fast in gedit. |
| 23:10.58 | Arrowmaster | i use vim when on a shell and i dont really remember anything except how to save and exit |
| 23:12.19 | alestane | Of course, part of it is that I cut my computing teeth on an Atari 1040ST and then a Mac Plus, so I'm very comfortable in graphical environments. But I also use the terminal in OS X because there are some commands it's just better for. |
| 23:12.32 | Arrowmaster | i actually want to learn emacs because i know its different major and minor modes are extremely powerful but i really hate its gui mode |
| 23:13.36 | alestane | But I've also spent enough time working with Fedora to know that people who take the "If you're not managing Linux from the shell, you're not managing Linux" approach are sort of stuck in the past. |
| 23:14.16 | alestane | I won't knock people who prefer it or are skilled with it. And terminal skills are important. But it's no longer the be-all, end-all. |
| 23:14.32 | foxlit | 37605 16.57% Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp/3.0; http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp :/ |
| 23:14.56 | Arrowmaster | it is when you need to restart services or tell them to reload their configs after you edit them |
| 23:15.13 | Arrowmaster | id like to see you make a gui for that |
| 23:15.29 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: yeah, "terminal or gtfo" is just sillyness. |
| 23:15.56 | alestane | There is one, Arrowmaster. |
| 23:15.58 | NightHawkTheSane | but it's still a neccessary skill for the time being. |
| 23:16.07 | Arrowmaster | a good one? |
| 23:16.12 | foxlit | The problem isn't really reloading |
| 23:16.33 | foxlit | That seems like a trivial thing to arrange -- output your config, run service apache graceful or whatever. |
| 23:16.48 | alestane | I didn't have any issues with it. I may still fall back to the CLI if I have to debug something, for instance. |
| 23:17.05 | foxlit | It's more that GUIs are inherently inflexible around configurations. |
| 23:17.11 | alestane | But for me, the terminal is the equivalent of popping the hood because the dashboard isn't cutting it. |
| 23:17.22 | foxlit | But it works if you stick with them. |
| 23:18.04 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: agreed on that. And -having- to drop into single-user terminal because something borked my video drivers made me damn glad i could get around in it. |
| 23:18.09 | Arrowmaster | see im always 'debugging' whenever im working on something |
| 23:18.29 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: nvidia? |
| 23:18.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 23:18.57 | Arrowmaster | nouveau kernel modules not blacklisted? |
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| 23:19.21 | NightHawkTheSane | that was one problem i had, yeah. :P |
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| 23:34.55 | foxlit | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/rebecca-mayes-muses/1829-Love-Song-for-Yahtzee |
| 23:35.02 | foxlit | I'm not sure if I have a comment on that. |
| 23:40.21 | NightHawkTheSane | that's awesome |
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| 23:54.31 | Hjalte | Alright, let's abandon wow and play that mouse game |
| 23:58.25 | Trela | Mouse game? |
| 23:59.00 | foxlit | http://transformice.com |
