| 00:00.03 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: bow-chika-bow-bow |
| 00:00.13 | Dagmar | I think the answer is "You have a talk with your friend about their friend's behaviour." |
| 00:00.20 | Lopeppeppy | I have to see how it works in practice, Cide, but I'll at least be doing that if it's allowed. |
| 00:00.23 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: 'error, imput not recognized' |
| 00:00.34 | Dagmar | I mean, RealID is meant for your *actual* friends now... Now just "people who I've seen online who I would not necessarily call assholes" |
| 00:00.35 | Cide- | I have experience with facebook <=> real ID |
| 00:00.39 | A-KO | Thrae: I don't know, in all of my years online, and I assure you, I've spent an unnatural amount of time online, friending people, meeting peple that I have no clue about--I have yet to have any serious issues with any of it... |
| 00:00.43 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Curses! I'll need a bigger dongle. |
| 00:00.45 | Dagmar | s/Now just/Not just/; |
| 00:00.50 | Cide- | what happens is that you get to invite your facebook friends to be your real ID friend |
| 00:00.52 | Cide- | AND THAT'S IT |
| 00:00.54 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, that's what *he* said. |
| 00:01.01 | A-KO | Cide-: that's no different than any other FB-integrated service |
| 00:01.07 | Jerub | are realms up yet? |
| 00:01.08 | A-KO | INVITE YOUR FRIENDS |
| 00:01.12 | Dagmar | A-ko: This is because you're not an underaged catholic girl looking for affirmation |
| 00:01.14 | Lunessa | dies |
| 00:01.19 | Cide- | and it is not privacy invading |
| 00:01.25 | Cide- | that's my whole point |
| 00:01.29 | Cloudwolf | i can log in!!!!!!! |
| 00:01.30 | Cloudwolf | yaaay |
| 00:01.37 | Gnarfoz | Cide-: but then, what will we bitch about? :| |
| 00:01.38 | Lopeppeppy | can you connect, Cloudwolf? |
| 00:01.43 | Cide- | nothing |
| 00:01.44 | Cide- | that's my whole point |
| 00:01.45 | Cloudwolf | yes sir |
| 00:01.48 | Kraps | Dagmar: do you know any underaged catholic girls looking for affirmation? |
| 00:01.48 | Cloudwolf | like no servers are online |
| 00:01.52 | Gnarfoz | well played |
| 00:01.52 | A-KO | Dagmar: I suppose not, lol....but I was 12 when I started seriously chatting online and on IRC, started meeting people at around 16--and then at 18 traveled out of the country, etc.... |
| 00:01.53 | Cloudwolf | but i am able to connect finnaly |
| 00:01.56 | Dagmar | Still not linkin' 'em since I don't need FB to remind me who I know that plays WOW |
| 00:02.13 | Cide- | you don't link them |
| 00:02.19 | Cide- | you connect to facebook and send out invites to people |
| 00:02.20 | Gnarfoz | (like I said, RealID+Facebook has practically zero impact, at least with the current feature set) |
| 00:02.30 | A-KO | I wouldn't mind them linked in the end though |
| 00:02.32 | Thrae | A-KO: I have. I didn't really do anything special on the Internet, didn't really debate people, troll, or go out of my way to make people angry, but I got cyber stalked. |
| 00:02.44 | DJJeff | servers are now starting to come online |
| 00:02.44 | Cide- | by real id <=> facebook integration? |
| 00:02.46 | DJJeff | 1 by 1 |
| 00:02.55 | Cide- | didn't think so, no |
| 00:03.16 | DJJeff | 5 servers online :) |
| 00:03.18 | DJJeff | wow |
| 00:03.19 | A-KO | Thrae: interesting, never happened here, so I dunno..Iv'e got nothing but great memories of hanging out with internet friends :P I guess I'm not attractive enough to be stalked by someone. |
| 00:03.20 | DJJeff | impressive |
| 00:03.21 | Dagmar | With as much data as Facebook is collecting tho, I wouldn't put it past them to be trying to find some way to track who does that tho |
| 00:03.27 | *** join/#wowuidev theorb (~theorb@91.84.53.6) |
| 00:03.32 | Cide- | here's another interesting tidbit |
| 00:03.42 | Dagmar | It was more than a bit creepy when I finally made my FB account and it damn well knew 35 people that I actually knew |
| 00:03.48 | Cide- | what facebook does is it attempts to invite your friends through their submitted emails on facebook |
| 00:03.50 | A-KO | lol Dagmar |
| 00:03.51 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: "is collecting" -> "is being given to them" ;p |
| 00:03.54 | Cide- | and here's the kicker |
| 00:04.03 | Cide- | if you have a different bnet email address it doesn't work |
| 00:04.11 | Lopeppeppy | thinks all this debate is why she's waiting to see how it works when it happens to her. |
| 00:04.14 | Gnarfoz | Cide-: no surprise there, really |
| 00:04.15 | Lunessa | The degrees of separation between people are MUCH smaller than we normally think. |
| 00:04.23 | A-KO | Lunessa: yeah |
| 00:04.25 | Cide- | and here's the REAL kicker |
| 00:04.31 | DJJeff | 13 servers up |
| 00:04.37 | Cide- | even without this "integration" |
| 00:04.37 | Thrae | A-KO: Let's not make this debate personal, though. I'm basically saying if a "viral friend" pops up on your Real ID friends list, you're being exposed to hundreds of friends...and there's a good chance ONE of them is at least a little crazy. A smaller chance they're more crazy, and an even smaller chance they are very crazy. But there's a chance, a risk, and there's NO way to stop giving away that personal info... |
| 00:04.58 | A-KO | Thrae: But from my understanding, the RealID and Facebook thing doesn't work like that? |
| 00:04.58 | Cide- | there's nothing stopping anyone from just trying to real ID invite their facebook friends by just going to their profile and using the email |
| 00:05.06 | Thrae | A-KO: ...without refusing to use the service at all. That's what doesn't compute for me. |
| 00:05.09 | Corrodias | don't worry. you're all being exposed to me right now, and i'm crazy. |
| 00:05.14 | Cide- | Thrae, you get an invite |
| 00:05.16 | Dagmar | covers his eyes |
| 00:05.25 | A-KO | Thrae: Explain to me how it exposes you to "viral" friends? How it spreads? |
| 00:05.26 | Cide- | and you can decline or accept like any other invite |
| 00:05.38 | A-KO | so does this mean I can see my friend's realID friend's lists? |
| 00:05.39 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: doesn't |
| 00:05.40 | A-KO | and invite those people? |
| 00:05.42 | Lunessa | Most of the people discussing this right now are on my FB Friends list already. |
| 00:05.43 | Thrae | A-KO: Friends of Friends |
| 00:05.45 | Cide- | it doesn't |
| 00:05.51 | A-KO | Cide-: it doesn't? |
| 00:05.51 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: he thinks he can't decline friend requests |
| 00:05.56 | Cide- | no, it doesn't |
| 00:05.57 | Gnarfoz | or something |
| 00:06.06 | Kraps | Lunessa: your friends suck |
| 00:06.10 | A-KO | Gnarfoz: no, what he's saying is that a person who's a friend of your friend, can add you to their realID list |
| 00:06.12 | Kraps | <.< |
| 00:06.12 | Cide- | all it does is it connects to facebook and lets you submit real ID invites to your friends |
| 00:06.14 | Gnarfoz | Friends of Friends have to add you, too, which results in a friend request |
| 00:06.15 | A-KO | Lunessa: we're not facebook friends :( |
| 00:06.28 | Gnarfoz | which of course you can decline |
| 00:06.33 | Lunessa | A-KO - It's not hard to find me. :) |
| 00:06.36 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:06.41 | A-KO | I don't really care :P |
| 00:06.47 | Cide- | and if you happen to have a different bnet email, IT DOESN'T EVEN WORK |
| 00:06.48 | Thrae | Cide- , Gnarfoz : Are you people telling me that, in Real ID, Friends of Friends CANNOT see my Real Name? Since that's what the FAQ says and warns about... |
| 00:07.00 | Cide- | not if you don't accept the invite |
| 00:07.09 | Gnarfoz | Cide-: he's right in that regard |
| 00:07.15 | A-KO | Similar to other social-networking platforms, when you click on one of your Real ID friends, you will be able to see the names of his or her other Real ID friends, even if you are not Real ID friends with those players yourself. If you happen to know someone on that list, you will be able to quickly send a Real ID friend request to that player. |
| 00:07.17 | Jerub | i used fb integration with starcraft 2. |
| 00:07.18 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not 100% comfortable that they don't see it before I accept, somehow. |
| 00:07.19 | Jerub | it was awesome |
| 00:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | I will test it with someone I know and trust. |
| 00:07.26 | Thrae | Cide-: The invite from whom? I can't not accept an invite a friend sends to another friend. |
| 00:07.28 | Cide- | the ones who can see your real name can already see it through facebook, Thrae |
| 00:07.28 | Gnarfoz | I can see the real names of realID friends of MY realID friends. |
| 00:07.29 | Jerub | suddenly i had 6+ people on my friends list |
| 00:07.34 | Shirik | you get a line |
| 00:07.35 | Shirik | I get a pole |
| 00:07.36 | A-KO | what if I change my name to Dr. Dolittle? |
| 00:07.38 | Gnarfoz | but that doesn't mean I can add them to my list |
| 00:07.39 | Thrae | Cide-: I'm not talking about FB. Just Real ID. |
| 00:07.41 | Shirik | we'll go fishing down the crawfish hole |
| 00:07.48 | A-KO | Thrae: who cares if someone sees your real name? |
| 00:07.52 | A-KO | that's what most peple want |
| 00:07.54 | A-KO | people* |
| 00:07.58 | Cide- | your mutual real ID friends can see your real name Thrae, that's correct |
| 00:08.04 | A-KO | big woop |
| 00:08.08 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (smcn@c-174-52-104-121.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:08.15 | Jerub | within my guild we use real names anyway. |
| 00:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: it's not just 'mutual' |
| 00:08.21 | Cide- | yes it is |
| 00:08.24 | Jerub | outside of my guild, people only know me as brandi |
| 00:08.30 | Gnarfoz | Cide-: your mutual, and theirs. |
| 00:08.35 | Cide- | what? |
| 00:08.36 | Lunessa | ... |
| 00:08.38 | Kraps | BUILD A TURTLE FENCE |
| 00:08.42 | NightHawkTheSane | A has B as a realid friend, B has C as a realID friend. c does NOT have A as a realId friend, but C can see A's real name. |
| 00:08.43 | Gnarfoz | your friends, and theirs, can see your realid name |
| 00:08.48 | DJJeff | 26 servers up |
| 00:08.52 | Cide- | NightHawkTheSane, nope |
| 00:08.52 | Thrae | A-KO: Do they? Your FULL name, billing name, the name on your social security card? Usually we're told to keep that PRIVATE over the Internet in case of identify theft. And here Blizzard is letting it leak through Friends of Friends in Real ID without giving us the simple option of NOT showing our LAST name. |
| 00:08.56 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: nothing wrong with that |
| 00:09.00 | Cide- | NightHawkTheSane, how? |
| 00:09.05 | Gnarfoz | Cide-: yes, that's what the FAQ says and what the fuzz is all about |
| 00:09.09 | Cide- | where? |
| 00:09.09 | Dagmar | Simpler solution... what I do. Use your 'nym freaking everywhere online. |
| 00:09.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: http://us.battle.net/realid/faq.html |
| 00:09.14 | Kraps | hey DJJeff http://www.miniclip.com/games/en/ |
| 00:09.28 | A-KO | Thrae: Just for the record, your "real name" by itself without a secondary piece of information violates absolutely 0 laws as far as privacy is concerned, and isn't considered a concern in any security network. |
| 00:09.35 | NightHawkTheSane | "you will be able to see the names of his or her other Real ID friends, even if you are not Real ID friends with those players yourself. " |
| 00:09.39 | tekkub | It's pretty simple really, let us choose what name is displayed |
| 00:09.43 | Cide- | interesting |
| 00:09.49 | Cide- | I can see why people might have issues with that |
| 00:09.54 | Dagmar | I wish someone heaps of bloody luck trying to find a SSN to steal the credit report of "Dagmar d'Surreal" |
| 00:09.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: that's what Thrae's objecting to, i believe. |
| 00:09.55 | tekkub | the majority of your ONLINE friends don't know or care about your real name |
| 00:09.56 | Cide- | well not really, but in a sense |
| 00:10.06 | tekkub | they know you as pigfucker68 |
| 00:10.07 | Cide- | I don't think that functionality is implemented right now though |
| 00:10.11 | Cide- | but anyway |
| 00:10.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: i'm uncomfortable with the lack of choice i have in the matter... |
| 00:10.15 | Lopeppeppy | Well, it's a concern for me. *gentle shrug* |
| 00:10.18 | A-KO | Cide-: Honestly, I think most of the problem is people are scared of something "new", and this is a new paradigm for a lot of people |
| 00:10.23 | Lopeppeppy | What NHTS said. |
| 00:10.33 | Gnarfoz | NightHawkTheSane: but it only goes 1 degree, I fail to see how it's viral |
| 00:10.35 | DJJeff | 34 realms up |
| 00:10.40 | Cide- | Lopeppeppy, do you have facebook? |
| 00:10.49 | Cloudwolf | Personally i don't give a shit about first name. Its when last name comes into the equation thats slighlty annoying |
| 00:10.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: it's not, which is why I'm only uncomfortable, and not oughtright against it. |
| 00:10.51 | tekkub | I"ll only be using it with people I know in person |
| 00:10.57 | A-KO | Cide-: You have to consider that we've spent the better part of the internet using aliases--aliases on forums, aliases in accounts, aliases on IRC |
| 00:11.01 | tekkub | which seems to completely defeat the point |
| 00:11.04 | A-KO | Cide-: it's easy to understand the problem |
| 00:11.07 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: They mention FB somewhere in the same week that they mentioned RealID and it's gotten everyone excitable because FB *is* stalky-as-hell |
| 00:11.07 | Cide- | nope |
| 00:11.09 | tekkub | if those people want to talk to me they text me |
| 00:11.10 | Cide- | just don't use real ID |
| 00:11.14 | Thrae | A-KO: Really? Depending on how unique your full name (last name too) is, and also considering they know you play WoW to narrow it down, there are databases available to find out where you live, what you eat, etc. all that stuff that's catalogued through something as honest as Google and other online trackers. |
| 00:11.18 | Cide- | if you want to maintain your alias, don't use real ID |
| 00:11.21 | DJJeff | 52 servers up |
| 00:11.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: the problem is, i have to ask "do i trust my friend's friends enough?" which i shouldn't have to |
| 00:11.26 | A-KO | Thrae: so they know where I live? |
| 00:11.27 | Cide- | that's like saying "I WANT TO KEEP AN ALIAS BUT I'M A DAILY FACEBOOK USER" |
| 00:11.28 | A-KO | okay? |
| 00:11.33 | A-KO | Thrae: feel free |
| 00:11.39 | Cide- | Lopeppeppy, NightHawkTheSane, Thrae: do you have facebook accounts? |
| 00:11.42 | tekkub | I don't use facebook :P |
| 00:11.47 | Dagmar | Cide-: Tell 'em to put their 'nym into FB and STFU |
| 00:11.49 | Thrae | Cide-: No. |
| 00:11.55 | Lopeppeppy | What does that have to do with whether I want random people to know my name? |
| 00:11.58 | Cide- | then don't use real ID |
| 00:12.05 | A-KO | Thrae: I just googled my full name and my home address-nothing |
| 00:12.06 | A-KO | so |
| 00:12.08 | A-KO | have fun with that |
| 00:12.08 | Cide- | Lopeppeppy, because that's precisely what facebook has allowed for years |
| 00:12.15 | A-KO | you dont' understand, I don't do shit |
| 00:12.17 | Cide- | A-KO, now google knows where yo live. |
| 00:12.18 | tekkub | s/alloowed/forced/ |
| 00:12.19 | Cide- | you. |
| 00:12.21 | A-KO | I don't get in trouble, I have no arrest warrants :P |
| 00:12.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: yes, but it's locked down to the point that no one i haven't both approved and remembered to put on a specific list can see anything but, i think, my name & profile picture :P |
| 00:12.22 | Dagmar | 'I didn't notice Facebook *anywhere* requiring someone's real name |
| 00:12.23 | A-KO | Cide-: oh noes :P |
| 00:12.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: and franlkly, if i could lock people out of that, i would. |
| 00:12.32 | Thrae | A-KO: When did I say Google was the database used to find out people's information... |
| 00:12.35 | tekkub | Facebook requires a real name |
| 00:12.40 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: not really |
| 00:12.44 | tekkub | trust me, I tried to use tekkub stoutwrithe |
| 00:12.53 | Dagmar | tekkub: You weren't trying hard enough |
| 00:12.56 | Jerub | tekkub: try harder |
| 00:12.58 | A-KO | Thrae: I fail to see how that's a problem with realid, and not a problem with said databases that let that information out in an available manner. |
| 00:13.00 | A-KO | but that's just me |
| 00:13.09 | tekkub | it's as hard as I can get without direct stimulation |
| 00:13.12 | Jerub | i have users named testuser one, two, three... |
| 00:13.15 | Dagmar | tekkub: http://www.facebook.com/evildagmar |
| 00:13.26 | Cide- | I could understand if real ID was the only form of friends list |
| 00:13.29 | Cide- | but its opt-in |
| 00:13.32 | Lunessa | .... lol tekkub |
| 00:13.32 | Cide- | so don't opt in |
| 00:13.34 | Thrae | Cide-: My family uses Facebook, and they also play WoW. I also know some people IRL who play WoW, and know some people well enough in my guild. I *would* like to Real ID them, but they might compromise me as I've been talking about. |
| 00:13.35 | Dagmar | That's about as much of a picture as I ever put up where internet pervs can see it too |
| 00:13.37 | Jerub | I <3 realid |
| 00:13.45 | tekkub | I think BLizzy would be smart enough NOT to emulate facebook when privacy concerns are raised |
| 00:13.50 | Jerub | i have family friends who play on another faction on another server |
| 00:13.59 | Cide- | Thrae, /shrug, it's not for you then |
| 00:14.00 | A-KO | all this talk of privacy is funny |
| 00:14.02 | Cloudwolf | I guess my biggest issue is my last name is pretty freaking unique |
| 00:14.02 | Gnarfoz | Thrae: nobody understood how your "compromising" thing is supposed to work, fyi |
| 00:14.02 | tekkub | I guess we'll just see how fast they add settings that let you change your displayed name |
| 00:14.09 | Cide- | you either want to real ID them given all that real ID entails or you don't |
| 00:14.11 | Jerub | and i want to be able to play with them when they're online, and want to be able to be availalbe for a raid ifone's going on my home server |
| 00:14.13 | A-KO | funny when I go to work and get asked by legal to snoop through IT logs of users browsing shit they don't want to see |
| 00:14.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: yeah, personally i dont have a big problem with realid, I'd prefer if they'd remove/change the friends of friends thing, but *shrug* |
| 00:14.16 | A-KO | anyone to see |
| 00:14.19 | tekkub | Cide-: no |
| 00:14.19 | A-KO | or, funny when I sit at a harbor |
| 00:14.21 | A-KO | and pull a Google |
| 00:14.22 | NightHawkTheSane | that just means i'm going to be far more selective. |
| 00:14.24 | tekkub | I WANT to use the system |
| 00:14.25 | Dagmar | thrae: I think it's time for you to tell your parents that some of your friends like to have sex with farm animals, but they're not pressuring you to do so so you don't hold it against them |
| 00:14.28 | A-KO | and dump open wifi data to pcap files |
| 00:14.32 | Thrae | A-KO: They're both problems. The problem with Real ID is not the entirity of the system, just the last name. All I asked for was the option, not a requirement but an option, to hide the last name... |
| 00:14.34 | tekkub | I *don't* want to give people my "real" name |
| 00:14.37 | Shirik | is the login server down? |
| 00:14.37 | tekkub | I don't use that name |
| 00:14.42 | tekkub | noone knows me by that name |
| 00:14.50 | Lopeppeppy | shirik, most likely it is still, or it's up and down. |
| 00:14.50 | Cide- | then don't use real id |
| 00:14.55 | A-KO | Thrae: They might at some point, but it's not really that bad.I mean... |
| 00:14.59 | tekkub | I want my friends to see tekkub online, no matter what toon I'm on |
| 00:15.04 | A-KO | people I know and would add on realid have my last name |
| 00:15.06 | A-KO | and know where I Live |
| 00:15.15 | Cide- | hopefully they will introduce some privacy controls to control the whole "friends of your friends can see your name" stuff |
| 00:15.27 | Dagmar | tekkub: So go poke at your Battle.net account details and put "tekkub" in there until the walrus comes for you |
| 00:15.30 | tekkub | I don't even give a rats about who can see the name |
| 00:15.30 | Thrae | Cide-: I don't think that's the case either. Real ID is a GOOD idea that just has one small implementation problem -- the lack of one simple privacy control (or, for parents, the lack of ANY privacy controls at the moment) |
| 00:15.35 | tekkub | I just want to pick WHAT NAME |
| 00:15.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: if you pay by CC i dont think you can do that.. |
| 00:16.00 | Cide- | meh |
| 00:16.01 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: We'll see |
| 00:16.01 | A-KO | considering my facebook link is my first initial + last name :P |
| 00:16.04 | Cide- | I think it's overplayed |
| 00:16.10 | Thrae | Dagmar: I tried that. Unless you pay with game cards you can't do that. |
| 00:16.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i may be wrong, though *shrug* |
| 00:16.17 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: ...because a lot of my friends will say "Who the fuck is P*** R*******?" |
| 00:16.22 | tekkub | ^ |
| 00:16.24 | Cloudwolf | Personally i want an intermediate between realid and reguarl friending |
| 00:16.33 | A-KO | Michael Cramer :P |
| 00:16.34 | A-KO | done |
| 00:16.38 | A-KO | there's my name :P |
| 00:16.39 | Cloudwolf | add a name once get all their alts |
| 00:16.43 | Cide- | anyway |
| 00:16.44 | A-KO | since I'm sure people on here will see it over realid at some point |
| 00:16.44 | A-KO | lol |
| 00:16.47 | Cloudwolf | Hello michael |
| 00:16.49 | A-KO | sup |
| 00:16.52 | tekkub | I want the realid's friend system, that's exactly how the friend system should work in the first place |
| 00:16.56 | Dagmar | Oh crist no they'll figure out I'm Kissybear! |
| 00:16.59 | A-KO | OH NOES |
| 00:17.01 | Lopeppeppy | You forgot the part where you say, "and I'm a gaming addict" |
| 00:17.03 | Cide- | I'm hoping that nobody who's arguing for more privacy on real id (I can understand tekkub's problem to an extent) doesn't pay by credit card ever? |
| 00:17.04 | tekkub | but putting retarded forced conditions on the system is stupid |
| 00:17.08 | A-KO | Lopeppeppy: :( |
| 00:17.12 | Lunessa | DagmarI thought you were Pedobear? |
| 00:17.12 | A-KO | Lopeppeppy: Actually, lately I'm a workaholic |
| 00:17.14 | Cide- | or never gives out SSN |
| 00:17.19 | A-KO | 10 hour work days + overtime |
| 00:17.25 | Lopeppeppy | You can say that instead then, the program is pretty broad-based. |
| 00:17.27 | tekkub | prepaid credit cards exist ya know |
| 00:17.29 | Thrae | A-KO: The discussion was never about whether or not it's OK for you, it was about why it's not OK for me and others, on this very channel, who just wanted their last name hidden. |
| 00:17.34 | Dagmar | This should also put an end to otherwise reasonable players hiding toons like "Fapinator" |
| 00:17.38 | Cide- | tekkub, that's the equivalent of not paying by credit card |
| 00:17.42 | Cide- | in my example |
| 00:17.50 | tekkub | how? it's a credit card |
| 00:17.51 | A-KO | tekkub: recurring subscription one-time-only card numbers |
| 00:17.55 | WobWork1 | jnwhiteh: holy crap =\ 3year old news story is 3 years old >< |
| 00:17.55 | Thrae | Dagmar: Considering what people post on the Facebook blogs, probably not... |
| 00:17.56 | A-KO | my bank allows that |
| 00:17.57 | A-KO | proxy cards |
| 00:17.58 | A-KO | it's win |
| 00:18.00 | Cide- | credit card as a concept of letting strangers see your name |
| 00:18.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: eh, that's silly. I think it's a fairly valid argument to be willing to give your CC to blizz's payment department, but not willing to give your full name out to use a friend system. |
| 00:18.06 | tekkub | or are you one of those silly EUners that think a credit card has a line of credit on it |
| 00:18.13 | Cide- | NightHawkTheSane, but they're strangers! |
| 00:18.24 | Cide- | tekkub, huh? |
| 00:18.30 | Dagmar | tekkub: Strangely, some people still do have cards which represent the potential for debt |
| 00:18.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: they're also bound by fairly good regulations of what they can do with that data, and punishments if they misuse it. |
| 00:18.43 | Cide- | but they're strangers |
| 00:18.43 | NightHawkTheSane | ok.. maybe not fairly good.. |
| 00:18.45 | NightHawkTheSane | but still |
| 00:18.59 | tekkub | Cide-: venting about work |
| 00:19.01 | A-KO | reads up on privacy laws all of the time, it's part of my job....and trust me......your *name* is pretty much of no concern to any security or privacy anywhere |
| 00:19.04 | Dagmar | Nevermind that in north america like >60% of those cards are just debit cards or "prepaid" credit cards |
| 00:19.07 | A-KO | and is not enough to find information on you |
| 00:19.10 | Cloudwolf | Seroiusly i love the things real id adds i just dont like the last name part but i'll prolly get over that |
| 00:19.22 | Dagmar | A-KO: Unless you spell it weird |
| 00:19.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: actually, i take that back, I think current regulations mean it should be pretty impossible for blizzard to actually extract enough CC data for a human to steal it.. |
| 00:19.28 | Lopeppeppy | I don't care how punished they are, if I have to deal with people in a way that makes me feel insecure, no matter how some "legal" definition defines my security. |
| 00:19.50 | NightHawkTheSane | so you're not even giving it to a stranger. |
| 00:19.50 | Cloudwolf | A-KO how about a farily unique last name unlike smith |
| 00:19.51 | Cide- | NightHawkTheSane, ever write your signature when paying somewhere? |
| 00:19.51 | A-KO | Dagmar: Even if you spell it weird, it's not a huge deal. I have regular talks with large security companies and have been working with their auditing software on what's acceptable and what isn't :P |
| 00:19.59 | Cloudwolf | doesn't that server as a decent identifier? |
| 00:20.05 | Cide- | in a bar for example |
| 00:20.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: that's entirely different :P |
| 00:20.07 | Dagmar | A-ko: Oh yay. pci compliants r teh funs |
| 00:20.08 | Cide- | not really |
| 00:20.14 | tekkub | Cide-: using a credit card is sharing that info with the MERCHANT, not sharing it with other people that use the merchant |
| 00:20.14 | A-KO | yeah Dagmar :( |
| 00:20.16 | Cide- | they have to store all that stuff |
| 00:20.25 | Cide- | to prevent fraud |
| 00:20.34 | Cide- | and it's handled by humans too |
| 00:20.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: sure, but that doesn't apply to blizzard |
| 00:20.55 | Dagmar | A-ko: If you know anyone at Domino's Pizza tell them they've got about 45 more days before I start thinking up ways to embarrass them about their lack of an autocomplete tag |
| 00:20.58 | A-KO | You all would seriously be surprised at the gross lack of security in the "businesses" you do business with--high profile places like Blizzard do pretty well, but I assure you--that random ATM you used while out with some friends to get some alcohol money--not so much. |
| 00:21.00 | Cide- | no, but it's somewhat of a double standard |
| 00:21.00 | NightHawkTheSane | you're not signing anything when you make online payments for your wow account |
| 00:21.08 | Dagmar | I've sent them all the emails I'm going to send them about that |
| 00:21.14 | Cide- | my whole point is that you're okay with it in one place, but not another |
| 00:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: oh, yeah, certainly. |
| 00:21.29 | A-KO | ATMs are notoriously NOT secured in any way :P |
| 00:21.38 | A-KO | many of them.....nasty... |
| 00:21.40 | Dagmar | I keep hoping to find a skimmer. |
| 00:21.40 | Cloudwolf | I'm not concerned one bit about blizzard having my name |
| 00:21.41 | A-KO | POS machines, same thing |
| 00:21.43 | Dagmar | I'd like to have one. |
| 00:21.53 | Cloudwolf | I am on the other hand concenred about other people having it at times |
| 00:21.57 | Cide- | why? |
| 00:22.05 | Cide- | what can other people do with it? |
| 00:22.05 | Dagmar | If you can casually knock it off the ATM, it probably wasn't supposed to be there. |
| 00:22.06 | A-KO | Dagmar: me too :( but even without skimmers, I once sat on IRC and chastized someone for having wide open VNC internet connections (with forwarded ports for VNC) to ATM machines |
| 00:22.16 | Cide- | there are thousands of people with my name in sweden |
| 00:22.23 | tekkub | Cide-: uh, I'm not okey with it in either place... which is why I disabled my facebook when they disabled my ability to control it |
| 00:22.24 | Cide- | it's hardly a unique identifier |
| 00:22.24 | A-KO | Dagmar: yet people aren't bitching about that |
| 00:22.26 | Cloudwolf | Cide |
| 00:22.41 | Dagmar | A-ko: They'v enot bothered to educate themselves |
| 00:22.47 | A-KO | Dagmar: that's the thing, everyone is bitching about Blizzard's RealID system, Facebook, or even google--yet nobody's bitching about the actual ATM and banking companies :P and POS resellers |
| 00:22.51 | Cloudwolf | my last name is failry unique ive googled my self and found 1 other dude with my name and i have yet to see any body but relatives with my last name |
| 00:22.59 | Dagmar | ....and we're not murdering enough bank managers for tolerating such lax controls. |
| 00:23.03 | A-KO | Dagmar: oh, I know, but it's why I despise the arguments about it |
| 00:23.03 | Jerub | A-KO: everyone minus you and me. |
| 00:23.13 | Cide- | tekkub, I'm sure hundreds of people you don't know have access to not only your name, but your address information, SSN, etc |
| 00:23.20 | Cide- | in your vicinity |
| 00:23.26 | Cide- | in the country? likely thousands |
| 00:23.27 | Jerub | is wow still down? |
| 00:23.28 | A-KO | Dagmar: if people actually KNEW what *really* goes on, RealID wouldn't be on their radar of concern :P |
| 00:23.42 | Dagmar | A-ko: I'd say part of it is that by percentage there's a shitload more WoW accounts being snatched among the player base than there are people finding mysterious $2,000 charges on their credit cards. |
| 00:23.51 | Cloudwolf | jerub i have no idea |
| 00:23.55 | Cloudwolf | i can't retreive cthe character list |
| 00:24.01 | A-KO | Dagmar: true, but I suspect those account hacks to be related to something the person did |
| 00:24.04 | A-KO | and holy shit it got dark outside |
| 00:24.06 | A-KO | whoa thunderstorm |
| 00:24.10 | tekkub | Cide-: so? |
| 00:24.17 | tekkub | I think you misunderstand |
| 00:24.18 | Gnarfoz | it's dark outside here, too, still |
| 00:24.23 | Dagmar | ...because prosecuting the theft of 10,000 gold in Undercity leaves LEOs somewhat jurisdictionally challenged. |
| 00:24.24 | tekkub | I'm *not* a privacy nut |
| 00:24.27 | A-KO | Gnarfoz: it was fine out, but then I hear thunder... |
| 00:24.29 | tekkub | I hate tinfoilhatters |
| 00:24.31 | Cide- | "which is why I disabled my facebook when they disabled my ability to control it" |
| 00:24.37 | Gnarfoz | A-KO: it was night out, and it still is! :( |
| 00:24.39 | tekkub | yes |
| 00:24.41 | Cide- | "<tekkub> Cide-: uh, I'm not okey with it in either place" |
| 00:24.43 | NightHawkTheSane | goes home |
| 00:24.46 | tekkub | yes |
| 00:24.51 | Dagmar | OMG that man has no f**king neck! |
| 00:24.51 | tekkub | you're not understanding |
| 00:24.51 | Cide- | sounds to me like you are |
| 00:24.52 | A-KO | Cide-: The funny thing about FB is that "deleting" your profile deletes nothing :P |
| 00:24.54 | A-KO | it just "hides" it |
| 00:24.56 | A-KO | that's all |
| 00:25.01 | A-KO | Facebook still has it on file |
| 00:25.06 | A-KO | so once you already joined, that's that |
| 00:25.07 | A-KO | done |
| 00:25.07 | tekkub | Having the ABILITY and USING it are two different things |
| 00:25.14 | Thunder_Child | ~lart A-KO |
| 00:25.14 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking A-KO's head off |
| 00:25.26 | tekkub | dictating things to the user is bad |
| 00:25.26 | Cide- | who says the friends of your friends are using it? |
| 00:25.38 | Cide- | blizzard only gives them the ability |
| 00:25.43 | Cide- | I would be surprised if they didn't, A-KO |
| 00:25.46 | Cide- | with backups and so on |
| 00:25.50 | Thrae | A-KO: People are "bitching" about a system where the only way to opt-out of a privacy concern is to not use it. All these other systems you mentioned have ways to opt-out of their more nefarious ways of collecting data on you. Still not enough for me, personally, but they do have ways. |
| 00:26.00 | A-KO | Thrae: NONE Of those systems have opt-out |
| 00:26.01 | tekkub | ^ |
| 00:26.03 | A-KO | none of them |
| 00:26.11 | Thrae | Note -- might lose everyone in a thunderstorm here in...uhh...Mars |
| 00:26.18 | tekkub | "Just don't use it" is bullshit |
| 00:26.35 | A-KO | Thrae: Just because you click some privacy ocntrols on facebook so some random ex gf/bf can't search your name has NO bearing on whether or not your personal information is being used/cataloged by people you have no clue about. |
| 00:26.35 | Cide- | my argument is "stop being a privacy nut" but that's a bit offensive so I'm trying other arguments |
| 00:26.50 | tekkub | I'm not :P |
| 00:26.55 | Cide- | you say that like it's true :P |
| 00:27.00 | A-KO | People only care about the visible |
| 00:27.04 | A-KO | they don't care about the invisible :P |
| 00:27.06 | tekkub | privacy nut == I pay cash for everything |
| 00:27.15 | A-KO | shit they don't understand or know |
| 00:27.20 | A-KO | or the shit they just click through |
| 00:27.20 | tekkub | I'm just asking for the ability to use the name I CHOOSE |
| 00:27.26 | Cide- | ok so by your definition you're 90% of a privacy nut |
| 00:27.28 | Dagmar | Cide-: Just order them to cite a specific, actual problem |
| 00:27.31 | tekkub | not the one that's on my fucking driver's license |
| 00:27.39 | Cide- | Dagmar, they have |
| 00:27.50 | Cide- | I don't think it's a problem but it's naturally a matter of opinion |
| 00:28.04 | Dagmar | Cide-: it's a problem that their friends know their name? |
| 00:28.05 | tekkub | My work knew my real name because they had to put it on my checks... |
| 00:28.05 | Cide- | tekkub, but if it was simply that matter you would get over it after a week |
| 00:28.08 | Thrae | A-KO: There are ways to opt-out. They might not be effective, but there are ways. Anyway, I'm not happy about them either so it doesn't prove your original point of "not bitching about them." I'm just not bitching about them since there are so many invasions to your privacy that are not related to WoW, and this is a channel dedicated to WoW. |
| 00:28.16 | tekkub | but after a year they had no idea that the name was me |
| 00:28.21 | tekkub | because I am tekkub, even to them |
| 00:28.26 | Dagmar | Hell, I thought *I* was paranoid |
| 00:28.36 | WobWork | tekkub: deed poll =) |
| 00:28.39 | Thrae | A-KO: I'm not some privacy nut job who wears a tin foil hat and will start ranting about how the government is trying to spy on his toaster activities. |
| 00:28.42 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want my WoW friends to know my name, nope. |
| 00:28.50 | Dagmar | All my friends call me Dagmar, but they don't use my "real" name simply because no one else ever does so no one would have any idea who the hell they'r etalking about |
| 00:28.52 | WobWork | wait.. it's -not- Lope? |
| 00:28.56 | Cide- | Thrae, seems like that :) |
| 00:29.02 | Cide- | Lopeppeppy, but I do |
| 00:29.02 | tekkub | what Dag said |
| 00:29.04 | WobWork | is bitterly disappointed |
| 00:29.15 | tekkub | everyone knows me as tekkub except direct family |
| 00:29.21 | Dagmar | It's also useful that when someone is up to no good they foolishly pretend to "know" me by dropping my "real" name repeatedly. |
| 00:29.22 | Cide- | I'm quite the stranger |
| 00:29.30 | Dagmar | I got calls from all over last time |
| 00:29.33 | WobWork | tekkub: so change it legally to Tekkub Stoutwrithe |
| 00:29.34 | Lopeppeppy | There should be a way that you can have your way, Cide, and I can have mine. |
| 00:29.41 | Cide- | well, my real name is Andre Eriksson from Stockholm, Sweden |
| 00:29.46 | Cide- | so now I'm not as much of a stranger |
| 00:30.05 | Thrae | Which, you know, they could. Spy on your toaster activities. Since the toaster uses a certain amount of power, and moreso, any sort of digital data can be carried through the power lines. Nowadays toasters can have the equivilent of an ancient 8086 computer processor in them. |
| 00:30.07 | WobWork | Gotai has now gone to sell that info =P |
| 00:30.27 | Dagmar | Thrae: They can almost produce as much heat |
| 00:31.00 | Thrae | Which is why I only power my toasters through squirrels. Running on treadmills. Usually I don't eat toast. |
| 00:31.41 | Gnarfoz | <Dagmar> All my friends call me Dagmar, <-- unlikely as it might have been anyway, but we can never be friends. you're calling yourself the same as my mother. :F |
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| 00:33.35 | Cide- | anyway |
| 00:33.46 | Cide- | this conversation is almost on par with the one yesterday |
| 00:33.59 | Cide- | too bad alestane is not here to tell me about the results |
| 00:35.03 | tekkub | really all it poils down to is simple, why do you force people who, playing a game like this, are used to online names and probably PREFER them, to have no control over what name they use with their friends? |
| 00:35.26 | tekkub | it makes no sense, online nicknames have existed for decades, and there's a rason they do |
| 00:35.26 | Cide- | you're overreacting |
| 00:35.30 | Cide- | you do have that control |
| 00:35.39 | Cide- | you just want the features that real ID give you also |
| 00:35.40 | tekkub | "DOn't use it" isn't control |
| 00:35.44 | Cide- | yes it is |
| 00:35.51 | tekkub | that's "Play by our rules or don't play at all" |
| 00:35.51 | Cide- | but you want the additional features |
| 00:35.55 | Cide- | no |
| 00:35.57 | tekkub | which is just bullshit |
| 00:36.04 | Cide- | it's "play by this ruleset or play by this other ruleset" |
| 00:36.25 | Gnarfoz | it's also "to use X, you have to play by ruleset X" |
| 00:36.33 | Cide- | of course it would be better to give more options |
| 00:36.39 | Cide- | and I think they should |
| 00:36.59 | Cide- | but I don't think there's any fair complaints in this case, only fair suggestions |
| 00:38.08 | Cloudwolf | When some one gets stalked IRL from this then theres fair complaints but as its a new system that hasn't exactly been implimented yet i agree with cide on that |
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| 00:40.53 | Thrae | All controversay aside, nothing to do with any new feature... |
| 00:41.04 | Thrae | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25482320684&sid=1 <-- this is hilarious. "I broke the number 2!" |
| 00:44.36 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 00:46.58 | Cloudwolf | wonder how long itll take for the rest of hte us servers to pop back online |
| 00:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | 4 more hours. |
| 00:48.40 | Thunder_Child | the issues is not being able to log on to the servers that are up |
| 00:48.43 | Dagmar | HAHAHAHA |
| 00:48.54 | Dagmar | I <3 that error... rebinding 2 |
| 00:49.12 | Dagmar | I remember managing to bind ESC to something before |
| 00:49.22 | Dagmar | it r much funs |
| 00:49.39 | Thunder_Child | oh...right, Bibi: 1 Dagmar: 0 |
| 00:50.06 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Hey at least I just alt-F4'd out |
| 00:50.33 | Dagmar | There were only a few minutes of "oh right... that was a mistake. How do I clear a keybind... Hit ESC... Hmmm..." |
| 00:50.59 | Thunder_Child | i meant about the patch prediction |
| 00:51.21 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Well, when I have to invest a few grand in it one way or the other I'll worry |
| 00:51.42 | Dagmar | My main interest in this patch is just in getting the gnomes off my lawn, so to speka |
| 00:51.56 | Thunder_Child | kill them, best way to get rid of them |
| 00:52.03 | Thunder_Child | they breed like roaches |
| 00:52.14 | Dagmar | Yeah, flag at war with Gnomeregan and see how well that goes down |
| 00:52.40 | Thunder_Child | right, because gnomes are scary |
| 00:53.17 | Dagmar | No, it's because they're recklessly self-destructive. |
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| 00:53.51 | Dagmar | At least goblins were probably planning on blowing *someone* up right before they leave little gibbets all over you. |
| 00:53.51 | Cloudwolf | no no dagmar i think thats goblins |
| 00:54.01 | Cloudwolf | gnomes just mess up on cool gadgest |
| 00:54.23 | Dagmar | See, in this respect the goblins at least got _part_ of it right. |
| 00:55.41 | Dagmar | Oh! I know what to do about the RealID QQ. Tell them to take it to the RP forum. |
| 00:56.29 | Cloudwolf | O.o talking about keeping a fictional persona? |
| 00:56.53 | Dagmar | No, there they can worry about their fictional dilemnas as long as they like |
| 00:57.23 | Cloudwolf | then i don't understand how taking realid qq to the rp forum does anything |
| 00:57.59 | Dagmar | ...because it's the Story forum |
| 00:58.10 | Cloudwolf | ok any way.... |
| 00:58.31 | Cloudwolf | Hmm it would be intersting to set up a google voice phone number and add a bunch of help hotlines to it |
| 00:58.41 | Cloudwolf | suicide hotline, teen pregnancy hotline, >.> |
| 00:58.58 | Dagmar | You can't, annoyingly enough |
| 00:59.03 | Cloudwolf | damn |
| 00:59.15 | Cloudwolf | do they have a list of numbers that you can't add or something? |
| 00:59.19 | Dagmar | They SMS a code to the number you point the thing at as a forwarder |
| 00:59.43 | Jamash | the servers are down / what else can I do today / f five will fix it |
| 00:59.50 | Cloudwolf | Hmm that may be bad.. i think my family has thier phones set up to block all incoming and outgoing texts |
| 01:00.54 | Dagmar | Damnit. How cna these people be posting stupid crap while I can't even get the login box up |
| 01:06.12 | Jerub | next feature i want from blizz: access to /officer chat no matter what toon i'm on |
| 01:08.30 | ZorbaGama | feature I want: the ability to join multiple guilds |
| 01:09.02 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: easy enough, make an officer alt rank that has /o abilities |
| 01:09.47 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: yeah, doesn't help when i'm on nagrand and my officer alt is on dath'remar |
| 01:09.53 | Jerub | ZorbaGama: hello! |
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| 01:10.02 | Jerub | ZorbaGama: you had a fire festival feature. how do i turn it on? |
| 01:10.16 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: if your not even in the same guild let alone the same server, it's silly |
| 01:10.40 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: is it any more silly than being able to talk to people cross realm with realid? |
| 01:10.50 | NightHawkTheSane | slightly, actually |
| 01:10.52 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: one is IM, the other is irc |
| 01:10.57 | Thunder_Child | so yes |
| 01:11.40 | Sixen | Any luck yet? |
| 01:11.45 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: you have made an assertion based on how things are at the moment and a resistance to change. |
| 01:11.48 | Jerub | Caelstraz is up |
| 01:11.49 | Jerub | oceanic. |
| 01:12.02 | Jerub | there are apparently a horde of level 1s running around |
| 01:12.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Sixen: it looks like realms are beginning to come up, although some appear to have a queue |
| 01:12.26 | Sixen | Thanks NHTS :) |
| 01:12.37 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, the queue. |
| 01:12.46 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: actually i said it's silly. and i will continue to think it's silly. |
| 01:15.08 | Dagmar | WEll, damn. At least if I can't ridicule the tinfoilhat people, they can't post anything else silly to the forums |
| 01:15.11 | WobWork | Jerub: are you horde or ally on nagrand? |
| 01:15.33 | ZorbaGama | jerub, open achievements, find fire festival achievements, click checkbox in bottom-right |
| 01:15.39 | ZorbaGama | although I may not have gotten the fire festival working |
| 01:15.53 | Jerub | ZorbaGama: it's missing fromthat :( |
| 01:16.00 | Jerub | WobWork: alliance on nagrand |
| 01:16.00 | Dagmar | ...because I *really* want to slightly modify this one guy's scenario. "Player befriends you, you give yer email so he can realid you, a few days later you get spearfished and fooled by the email he sensd you" |
| 01:16.06 | Jerub | WobWork: but i can change! |
| 01:16.08 | WobWork | Jerub: what's your toon name? |
| 01:16.10 | ZorbaGama | then it probably doesn't work |
| 01:16.12 | Jerub | WobWork: i don't remember! |
| 01:16.13 | WobWork | cause I am too! |
| 01:16.15 | Jerub | they're all under 20! |
| 01:16.15 | WobWork | =( |
| 01:16.18 | WobWork | alas |
| 01:16.46 | Dagmar | This is just so close to "You meet a nice stranger online who offers you candy. You meet him at his van down by the river, but instead of candy, you are gang raped by manta-rays." |
| 01:16.47 | Thunder_Child | heh, i logged on to 57 lua errors |
| 01:16.55 | Jerub | WobWork: checking armory |
| 01:17.21 | Jerub | ahahahaha |
| 01:17.25 | Jerub | apparently cael is queued |
| 01:17.35 | Cloudwolf | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25482139941&sid=1 |
| 01:17.40 | Jerub | crud, armory is down |
| 01:17.41 | Cloudwolf | epic glitch?hack? |
| 01:17.45 | Dagmar | I mean, we all remember about Janine Marks, right? |
| 01:17.51 | ZorbaGama | oh no manta rays |
| 01:17.54 | ZorbaGama | why does it keep happening |
| 01:17.55 | ZorbaGama | :( |
| 01:18.17 | Dagmar | This little 12 year-old girl was fairly normal. Janine spent a lot of time online because she felt more comfortable there. |
| 01:18.53 | Dagmar | One day she met a new friend. They liked the same bands. They worried about the same subjects in school. They promised to keep each other's secrets. |
| 01:18.55 | Dagmar | They decided to meet at the mall. Janine showed up and so did her new friend.\ |
| 01:19.06 | Jamash | then she was stabbed by Sephiroth |
| 01:19.19 | WobWork | and Janine turned out to be a 40 year old white man? |
| 01:19.26 | Jerub | why is it always the white man? |
| 01:19.42 | Jamash | ninjas kidnapped her and forcibly inducted her into the Spartan super-soldier program |
| 01:19.47 | Jerub | why is it never a 15 year old boy who found his dad's rusty paratrooper knife and some rope. |
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| 01:20.03 | Jamash | leaving a flash clone behind |
| 01:20.23 | WobWork | Shockwave? |
| 01:20.24 | Dagmar | Janine's friend wasn't in Junior High as it turns out |
| 01:20.29 | WobWork | Silverlight? |
| 01:20.34 | Dagmar | He was a 1500 pound, rabid grizzly bear |
| 01:20.48 | Jamash | awesome |
| 01:20.48 | WobWork | ah, a dropout |
| 01:21.00 | WobWork | if he'd stuck to school |
| 01:21.06 | Jerub | Dagmar: as in, a hunky hairy gay man? |
| 01:21.18 | WobWork | he'd be a 1500 pound, rabid grizzly bear at Junior High |
| 01:21.29 | Dagmar | 1 in 5 childredn online get eaten by rabid bears. ...and you didn't even know bears could type |
| 01:21.42 | Lunessa | ... Was my picture in the news AGAIN? |
| 01:21.49 | Jamash | bears discover fire |
| 01:22.32 | Cide- | Lunessa, yes, I uploaded it to nbc from your web cam |
| 01:23.06 | Thunder_Child | hmm...prat seems to have died |
| 01:23.26 | Jamash | nooo not prat |
| 01:23.27 | Thunder_Child | sylvanaar: is prat going to be updated? |
| 01:23.43 | Lunessa | Cide- get in the van |
| 01:23.51 | Cide- | is there candy? |
| 01:23.56 | Lunessa | and puppies |
| 01:24.00 | Cide- | omw |
| 01:24.41 | Adys | Cloudwolf: no |
| 01:24.43 | Adys | not epic at all |
| 01:24.47 | Adys | retarded, completely retarded |
| 01:25.08 | Adys | its so obvious they at LEAST shouldnt make the relic capturable if some combination of gate isnt down |
| 01:26.00 | Cloudwolf | Epic doesn't have ot mean good adys |
| 01:26.08 | Jerub | it just means purple |
| 01:28.32 | Jamash | night elves are epic |
| 01:28.36 | Jamash | trolls are rare |
| 01:28.40 | Jamash | orcs are common |
| 01:28.43 | Jamash | *uncommon |
| 01:29.15 | Cloudwolf | lol humans are common then? |
| 01:29.23 | Jamash | yes |
| 01:29.44 | Cloudwolf | WTB orange worgen then theres some legendary thrown in there |
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| 01:36.39 | Thunder_Child | hmm....everytime i do a /reload i get DC'd |
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| 01:40.55 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: are you in dal? |
| 01:41.08 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: no |
| 01:42.45 | SeanK | Anyone else waiting for their realm to come up? |
| 01:42.55 | Jerub | SeanK: everyone? |
| 01:43.01 | Jerub | except my friends with dks on cael. |
| 01:43.10 | Jerub | speaking of which, anyone got an 80 on cael? |
| 01:43.19 | Jerub | they need a carry through some heroics because they're losers. |
| 01:43.50 | SeanK | just got on, Chatter looks broken. Time to update addons |
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| 01:44.27 | Jerub | SeanK: the entire chat ui has been changed. |
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| 01:47.20 | Thunder_Child | actually is somewhat works if you switch back to clasic chat |
| 01:47.25 | SeanK | yeah. The only thing I use chatter for (explicitly, I probably like a bunch of other things it does) is to play a sound when there is a guild chat, party chat or whisper |
| 01:48.47 | Jerub | dath'remar's not up yes :/ |
| 01:48.56 | Xinhuan | can probably do that in 5 lines of code SeanK ;p |
| 01:50.37 | SeanK | I figure but the addon framework is a steep curve for me. |
| 01:51.20 | DJJeff | Arrowmaster , CKK is fubar dieing from new patch? |
| 01:51.57 | Cloudwolf | lol blizzard messed up ability to use default chat box with a custom actoin bar mod |
| 01:52.09 | Cloudwolf | well kind of wher ehte chat box touches the bottom of hte frame |
| 01:52.59 | sylvaan | Thunder_Child: does it need fixes? |
| 01:53.43 | Thunder_Child | sylvanaar: even going to the clasic it has issues, like you cant get rid of the scrolling arrows and the chat thing |
| 01:53.50 | Thunder_Child | is again on the bottom |
| 01:53.53 | Thunder_Child | chatbox |
| 01:54.02 | sylvaan | oh, yeah, some features got disabled |
| 01:54.08 | ReAn | wow |
| 01:54.12 | ReAn | it took THIS LONG |
| 01:54.14 | sylvaan | so, yeah it will be updated |
| 01:54.18 | ReAn | for blizz to get weather in northrend |
| 01:54.21 | ReAn | :p |
| 01:54.29 | sylvaan | maybe this weekend |
| 01:54.31 | Jerub | ReAn: we have weather in northrend? |
| 01:54.37 | ReAn | now we do! |
| 01:54.43 | Thunder_Child | sylvanaar: i cant deal with no prat, the default is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad |
| 01:54.45 | ReAn | it's snowing in dragonblight on my server |
| 01:54.54 | Jerub | what's prat? |
| 01:55.04 | ReAn | prat is a chat addon |
| 01:55.07 | sylvaan | Thunder_Child: can you post the things that need fixing? |
| 01:55.21 | Thunder_Child | "<Jamash> nooo not prat" |
| 01:55.33 | Thunder_Child | sylvanaar: you seem to have more than one place, where do you want it? |
| 01:55.42 | ReAn | sylvaan: what mod do you make? |
| 01:55.48 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 01:55.53 | WobWork | Jerub: maybe |
| 01:55.55 | sylvaan | you can make tickets if you want - thats the best way |
| 01:55.57 | Thunder_Child | ReAn: prat.... |
| 01:56.00 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 01:56.01 | ReAn | orly! |
| 01:56.03 | ReAn | ya |
| 01:56.07 | sylvaan | or just post on the forum thread if there are alot of things |
| 01:56.07 | WobWork | I might have moved them all off Cael though |
| 01:56.10 | ReAn | best mod ever |
| 01:56.15 | sylvaan | thanks |
| 01:56.37 | ReAn | well, tied with WIM |
| 01:56.38 | ReAn | :) |
| 01:57.04 | sylvaan | i hope pazza updates WIM, i should send him an email and ask |
| 01:57.44 | sylvanaar4 | meh |
| 01:57.53 | sylvanaar4 | i want my nick bak |
| 01:58.16 | ReAn | thank god my mod seems to be unaffected by the patch |
| 01:59.18 | WobWork | I read that as 'mom' |
| 01:59.28 | sylvanaar_ | lol |
| 01:59.59 | ReAn | rofl |
| 02:01.20 | Thunder_Child | sylvanaar_: ghost? |
| 02:01.51 | ReAn | oh my god... so many broken addons this patch |
| 02:01.52 | ReAn | :( |
| 02:02.38 | Thunder_Child | huh...there is group chatting with realid friends |
| 02:02.43 | Thunder_Child | nifty |
| 02:03.06 | WobWork | that.. is quite good |
| 02:03.37 | Jerub | can we just move wowuidev to wow nowtthen? |
| 02:03.43 | Thunder_Child | however, when creating a /w window with your current target it does not move the already made convo into the new windo |
| 02:04.01 | Thunder_Child | window* |
| 02:05.59 | ReAn | none of my real-life friends play wow anymore, i can't mess w/ realid :( |
| 02:06.23 | Cloudwolf | lol realid is a love hate relatoinship wiht me right now |
| 02:06.24 | Thunder_Child | ReAn: it will work for sc2 and D3 |
| 02:06.28 | DJJeff | Arrowmaster , CKK is fubar dieing from new patch? |
| 02:06.29 | Cloudwolf | cross realm cross game alt talking awsome |
| 02:06.35 | Cloudwolf | display of last name = suck |
| 02:06.44 | Arrowmaster | DJJeff: why would it |
| 02:06.47 | Thunder_Child | DJJeff: fubar is working for me |
| 02:07.34 | Jerub | can't log into battle.net at the moment |
| 02:07.37 | Arrowmaster | might need a repack for updated libraries |
| 02:07.47 | Jerub | wnated to find out what his name was |
| 02:08.04 | Cloudwolf | O.o |
| 02:08.21 | Jerub | Cloudwolf: i don't know what battle.net thinks it is1 |
| 02:08.50 | Cloudwolf | uhm context please jerub you lost me |
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| 02:08.57 | Cloudwolf | lol i can't add myself as a realid friend D: |
| 02:08.58 | kd3 | grr |
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| 02:09.04 | kd3 | damned uplink spottiness |
| 02:09.22 | Cloudwolf | blah my servers still down heh |
| 02:09.44 | kd3 | good thing I've been at work all day so as to not have to deal with "wah my server's still down qqing" |
| 02:10.51 | Cloudwolf | Heh |
| 02:11.35 | WobWork | yeah |
| 02:11.43 | WobWork | I'm quite happy to be at work while this all works out =P |
| 02:12.39 | Cloudwolf | lol the only other person with my name that im aware of is a lawyer XD |
| 02:13.13 | A-KO | wow |
| 02:13.21 | A-KO | this chick I know stalked the "It's always Sunny" guys |
| 02:13.26 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:13.31 | A-KO | that's fucking creepy to me... |
| 02:13.49 | Thunder_Child | i'd say stalking is creepy in general |
| 02:14.22 | Kraps | yo taylor |
| 02:14.25 | A-KO | she drove 2 hours out of her way from Baltimore to Philadelphia to find the crew....*twice*...she went like 2 weekends ago but just ended up posting FB pictures of her being at w/e restaurant they film/eat at..... |
| 02:14.41 | A-KO | then apparently now she took off of work, drove the 2 hours, and camped out across the street with a camera, went up to the set, etc. |
| 02:14.52 | A-KO | that's.....really creepy to me |
| 02:14.53 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:15.05 | Dagmar | Nah that's just fanatical |
| 02:15.18 | Dagmar | When she starts breaking into trailers so she can sniff their laundry... |
| 02:15.22 | Dagmar | THAT's creepy. |
| 02:15.31 | A-KO | I call that stalking...particularly since it was over whatever one main dude is on the show :P |
| 02:15.36 | Thunder_Child | nah, thats just housekeeping |
| 02:16.07 | Dagmar | Only if she sniffs them after they've been cleaned is it housekeeping |
| 02:16.15 | A-KO | I dunno, perhaps it's a good thing I'm not on TV or anything like that |
| 02:16.22 | A-KO | I'd call her a stalker to her face :P |
| 02:16.47 | Cloudwolf | found 2 people with my name excluding me which i have yet to find myself with google |
| 02:18.16 | Dagmar | There's what wikipedia is gor |
| 02:18.17 | Dagmar | er for |
| 02:18.20 | Kraps | "Because forum moderators and community managers do not play a role in realm maintenance, just as our developers do not also clean the bathrooms." |
| 02:18.22 | Dagmar | ...or IMDB for that matter. |
| 02:18.36 | Kraps | Zarhym lies |
| 02:19.00 | Dagmar | Go find a semi-obscure but not horrifying porno movie, and put yourself down as one of the fluffers for a female star |
| 02:19.03 | Cloudwolf | dagmar i do not exist on wikipedia :D |
| 02:21.10 | Dagmar | You've no one but yourself to blame for that |
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| 02:21.30 | Kraps | http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/22/a-vast-cosmic-cloudy-brain-looms-in-a-nearby-galaxy/ |
| 02:22.21 | Dagmar | ^ in space... stars are a lot bigger. |
| 02:22.32 | ReAn | you know, i really like nUI, but the biggest downside is, when nUI breaks, my entire UI is defunct... |
| 02:23.06 | Dagmar | The lens flare is kind of unfortunate |
| 02:23.54 | Thunder_Child | "File:d:\buildserver\wow\5\work\wow-code\branches\wow-patch-3_3_5-bnet\engine\source\blizzardcore\blizzardcore\source\system\memory\MemoryStorm.cpp |
| 02:23.54 | Thunder_Child | Line:64" |
| 02:23.57 | Thunder_Child | "Not enough storage is available to process this command." |
| 02:24.07 | Thunder_Child | the really amusing part is i dont have a d drive |
| 02:24.08 | Shirik | why did you do that |
| 02:24.23 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: That's the loop interface |
| 02:24.23 | Shirik | because __FILE__ is resolved at compile time |
| 02:24.29 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 02:24.52 | DJJeff | lib rock is gonna die? |
| 02:25.13 | DJJeff | and what is the ip of the patch server someones not patching |
| 02:25.27 | Dagmar | wha... "buildserver"? I never noticed them letting those filenames out unmunged before. nifty |
| 02:25.31 | ReAn | Thunder_Child / Shirik: I'm more worried that blizzard has a class called 'MemoryStorm' in thier wow engine code |
| 02:25.37 | ReAn | im now very curious what it does |
| 02:26.23 | Dagmar | ReAn: Emotes "MEMORY... STOOOOOORRRRRM!!!" and proceeds to malloc ram willy-nilly |
| 02:26.57 | ReAn | while(1) { malloc(1024); } ?? |
| 02:27.03 | ReAn | :) |
| 02:31.21 | Cloudwolf | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF... virtual plates broke with the AVR break |
| 02:32.24 | Dagmar | Unavoidable consequence |
| 02:33.17 | Dagmar | ...although I liked VirtualPlates. |
| 02:33.19 | kd3 | speaking of badastronomy... Damn: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/22/damn/ |
| 02:33.58 | Dagmar | kd3: Talking about the soze of the leak? |
| 02:34.15 | Dagmar | er size? |
| 02:34.18 | kd3 | yes. also, that's the title and only word in his post |
| 02:34.55 | NightHawkTheSane | 'damn' indeed. |
| 02:35.13 | MentalPower | ReAn: their MPQ library used to be called Storm.dll |
| 02:35.15 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm looking at CNN right now and seeing that they succefully overturned the temporary moratorium on deep-sea drilling |
| 02:35.24 | MentalPower | before it was static linked into the executables |
| 02:35.37 | Dagmar | Now I *want* someone else's oil rig to burst and spew oil everywhere... |
| 02:36.17 | Dagmar | ...just so people will get the f**king clue that "they tuk arr jobs" or not, these gas companies do not give one tin-plated shit about hazard |
| 02:37.14 | Shirik | ReAn |
| 02:37.20 | Shirik | a lot of what Blizzard works on is called "storm" |
| 02:37.28 | Shirik | that is, the MPQ stuff |
| 02:37.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: that wouldn't help anything. |
| 02:37.41 | Dagmar | I don't think that, considering the depth to which corporate misbehaviour seems to have been going that it was that damn much to ask for these companies to stop a moment and take a good long close look at what risks they're taking. |
| 02:37.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: people are fucking idiots, and corporations don't give a shit. |
| 02:38.01 | Dagmar | ...but noooo... They gotta keep spinning that barrel and pulling the trigger. |
| 02:38.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i do expect the administration to appeal that ruling, though |
| 02:38.24 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Right now literally just *one* even manageable accident would turn that tide |
| 02:38.52 | Dagmar | The four involved companies that were not BP subcontract out to practically everyone else in that region, so I don't think for a second that BP was alone in cutting corners |
| 02:39.13 | Dagmar | If they were the only people cutting corners like that, someone else would have ratted them out to hamper their competition |
| 02:39.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: oh, they certainly weren't |
| 02:39.58 | Dagmar | Like seriously guys? You *have* to keep drilling? |
| 02:40.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I just dont have much faith in people to see reason, or to get past the corporate bulshit |
| 02:40.17 | Dagmar | People claiming it'll take "a long long time for this industry to recover without being able to drill" is bullshit and lies |
| 02:40.38 | NightHawkTheSane | when you have en entire political party who's platform is basically "fuck you over and get rich off it" out propagandizing the whole thing. |
| 02:40.43 | NightHawkTheSane | s/en/an/ |
| 02:41.14 | Dagmar | They can afford to stop for six months and get their ducks in a row, because we've just proven that they can't afford not to. BP is pretty much permafucked |
| 02:41.42 | Dagmar | That 20B has to go into an escrow fund because otherwise, it's unlikely BP would be able to pay it a year from now |
| 02:42.03 | NightHawkTheSane | they werent even required to pay it all immediately. |
| 02:42.25 | Dagmar | Not even Bill Gates has that much in petty cash |
| 02:43.09 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs |
| 02:43.18 | NightHawkTheSane | if it were me i'd have made them come up with it immediately. |
| 02:43.46 | Dagmar | Their stock has been given a junk rating twice in the last week |
| 02:43.48 | NightHawkTheSane | and if it had to come out of the savings of top level executives, and completely bankrupted the company beyond salvation, well so be it |
| 02:44.03 | Dagmar | I'm suprised we're not hearing about "sharks circling" already |
| 02:44.12 | NightHawkTheSane | frankly, letting bp survive this at ALL is a serious mistake. |
| 02:44.18 | batrick | so glad we're on topic |
| 02:44.24 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah if this finishes BP as a company that's fine with me |
| 02:44.51 | Dagmar | Their assets might get sold off, but hte people who do the gruntwork tend to travel with that--mostly only execs are going to be seriously out jobs |
| 02:49.23 | Kraps | ~paste |
| 02:49.24 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is http://pastebin.org/ or http://bin.cakephp.org/ or http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 02:50.10 | Kraps | i get this error upon login http://pastebin.org/353318 |
| 02:50.59 | Sixen | kd3, you there? |
| 02:51.35 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:51.42 | Sixen | I think I sent you a real ID request. |
| 02:51.48 | Thunder_Child | "Cannot register frame "ChatFrameEditBox"; it does not exist" thats interesting |
| 02:51.52 | Jerub | isn't it haliburton that was ultimately responsible? |
| 02:51.54 | Jerub | :P |
| 02:51.57 | kd3 | wonders if his realm is up yet |
| 02:52.33 | Sixen | oops |
| 02:52.35 | Sixen | maybe not. sent now. |
| 02:52.41 | Sixen | you should get kaydeethree@gmail |
| 02:54.11 | kd3 | that's not the one my account is attached to |
| 02:54.40 | Sixen | I didn't knwo you had it. |
| 02:55.08 | Dagmar | Jerub: That's just one of the four subcontractors involved |
| 02:59.21 | Adys | Cairenn: in the same spirit as earlier on: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/cats_heart.jpg/1277261756 |
| 02:59.39 | Cairenn | awwwww |
| 03:00.03 | NightHawkTheSane | so, what's people's LDB display addon of choice these days? >.> button bin appears to have borked. |
| 03:00.04 | Pytlask | It looks like its now "ChatFrame1EditBox" since each ChatFrame has its own |
| 03:00.13 | DJJeff | ok |
| 03:00.14 | DJJeff | im |
| 03:00.16 | DJJeff | gonna |
| 03:00.16 | DJJeff | QQ |
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| 03:00.23 | DJJeff | my fubar is broken |
| 03:00.46 | DJJeff | evil stares @ Arrowmaster |
| 03:01.15 | DJJeff | bar is there yes..... but none of the addons are showing up |
| 03:01.23 | DJJeff | Fubar_* |
| 03:02.45 | Thunder_Child | mine is working fine DJJeff |
| 03:03.12 | Adys | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/bats-in-a-row.jpg |
| 03:03.17 | Adys | why dont people like bats? |
| 03:03.37 | Adys | Cairenn: ^ |
| 03:03.57 | DJJeff | Thunder_Child: did you have to ummmmmmm change profile for fubar |
| 03:04.04 | DJJeff | to default |
| 03:04.07 | DJJeff | to get it to work |
| 03:04.10 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 03:04.18 | Thunder_Child | i logged in and it was fine |
| 03:04.22 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmm |
| 03:04.32 | DJJeff | yours come with LIBROCK 1.0 ? |
| 03:04.34 | Thunder_Child | well actually, i forgot to enable addons at first, but after that it worked fine |
| 03:04.42 | WobWork | Adys: probably because they hang upside down |
| 03:04.44 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 03:04.46 | WobWork | so it's hard for us to relate |
| 03:04.52 | Thunder_Child | many librocks |
| 03:05.09 | Adys | hanging upside down is the coolest thing you ever want to do when you're kid |
| 03:05.15 | Adys | how do people NOT like bats? |
| 03:05.26 | WobWork | we can't cuddle them |
| 03:05.32 | Adys | sure we can |
| 03:05.33 | WobWork | without them getting incredibly uncomfortable |
| 03:06.02 | WobWork | and possibly the dichotamy of fuzzycute + wings |
| 03:07.02 | MentalPower | wonders why an iPhone backup takes so friggin long to do |
| 03:07.40 | Cairenn | Adys: awww, cute |
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| 03:07.56 | Cairenn | huggles Sargeras |
| 03:08.06 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 03:11.12 | Thrae | FAKE NEWS -- "8PM PDT Update -- We have one server back up now, but it needs to rebuild a RAID6 of 22 disks with 18 of them degraded. They are all IDE. On a PCI-To-IDE card. Running at 33MHz. On a toaster. We believe this will take only 32 minutes. Check back soon!" |
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| 03:14.47 | Shirik | stabs Thrae |
| 03:14.52 | Shirik | actually what one of my guildmates posted is amusing |
| 03:15.01 | Shirik | "Actually nothing is wrong the patch has installed and running as per its design. This patches primary function was to serve as a "Prequel" to the Cataclysm launch where Azeroth is destoryed by the ripping of the planes. In order to achieve this they are "RP"'ing the disorder and chaos to help enhance the mood and desire for the next expanion." |
| 03:15.34 | kd3 | grr. wtb summer scorchling |
| 03:15.40 | Thrae | Destoryed is right. Cataclysm rips apart the canon! |
| 03:16.18 | Torhal | So you're saying that they aimed a cannon at the canon? |
| 03:16.38 | Thrae | Torhal: I canon't lie. |
| 03:16.42 | Cide- | yes. the real question is... is the cannon canon? |
| 03:18.01 | Cloudwolf | who says blizzard changes the realid info provided after a lawsuit and not before... |
| 03:18.20 | Cloudwolf | hmm lol random canon talk? |
| 03:18.42 | Cide- | hmm lol conspiracy theory talk? |
| 03:24.08 | Hirsute | I'm a sad panda. Linkerator is broken, and the fix seems to be non-trivial. |
| 03:24.47 | mikma | http://www.rlslog.net/stress-is-back-vuvuzela-on-the-dancefloor-web-2010-bpm/ |
| 03:25.43 | Hirsute | And my lua-fu is rusty. Can I do something like local n = 3 local ChatFrameEditBox = ChatFrame . n . EditBox and have it work? |
| 03:27.07 | ReAn | need a decent unit frame addon that's NOT x-perl, anyone have a suggestion? |
| 03:27.34 | mikma | hirsute: yes |
| 03:27.51 | Hirsute | I like Shadowed Unit Frames, ReAn |
| 03:28.05 | mikma | shadowed sucks, don't use his frames! |
| 03:28.18 | Hirsute | mikma: Ah, nice. Now I just need to go hit up wowwiki and figure out how to determine the currently focused frame. |
| 03:28.56 | Iriel | GetMouseFocus() |
| 03:30.35 | Hirsute | Iriel: 1)That's been returning nil when the mouse is over the EditBox, and 2)What I'm trying to do is determine within a function what chat frame someone has selected at the time the addon is trying to interact with the editbox. |
| 03:31.14 | Iriel | Ah youre looking for the keyboard focus? |
| 03:31.34 | Iriel | that's trickier |
| 03:31.51 | Hirsute | Iriel: That might work, actually, or just a way to identify which tab on the chat frame the user currently has clicked. |
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| 03:36.01 | mikma | SO! Futurama s06e01 + 02 ... |
| 03:41.07 | Cloudwolf | alkjsdflkasljdf when is the new episode of futuamra mikma |
| 03:41.09 | Cloudwolf | tell me |
| 03:44.10 | mikma | cloudwolf: in two weeks, but i has a surprise |
| 03:44.13 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZWaWrvJ7nA&fmt=22 |
| 03:44.33 | mikma | cloudwolf: http://www.rlslog.net/futurama-s07e01-preair-p2p/ - has fun |
| 03:44.47 | mikma | (yes, it says s07 but don't care about it) |
| 03:45.24 | Cloudwolf | sheeeeeeet mikma i have to now go watch the movies |
| 03:45.29 | Cloudwolf | cus it says it follows into the wild green yonder |
| 03:45.31 | Cloudwolf | D: |
| 03:45.37 | mikma | hehe :) |
| 03:47.12 | Cloudwolf | i hate these damned people saying cus its optional blizzard shoudln't give you options within the optional option... |
| 03:47.48 | Jerub | privacy rage! |
| 03:48.03 | Jerub | that's so like, 6 hours ago |
| 03:48.40 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/06/gaming_on_the_go_console_suitc.php |
| 03:49.02 | Cloudwolf | Jerub i was in the privacy rage like 6 hours ago but any way |
| 03:49.08 | Cloudwolf | i still don't get it |
| 03:49.30 | Cloudwolf | if they go throught he trouble of networking servers and all this stuff for this feature why woudln't htey want the maximum amount of peopel to use it |
| 03:49.31 | PProvost | Anyone recommend an addon or snippet for moving the Objectives frame? |
| 03:49.34 | PProvost | SOmething simple |
| 03:50.17 | Shirik | I have successfully trolled 4chan |
| 03:51.21 | Cloudwolf | grats |
| 03:51.23 | Cloudwolf | trolling the trolls |
| 03:52.41 | Jerub | WobWork: are you on nagrand or caelstraz? i don't remember |
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| 03:53.36 | WobWork | Nagrand |
| 03:53.39 | WobWork | I -was- on Cael |
| 03:53.41 | WobWork | but moved off |
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| 03:55.35 | WobWork | All I have is my bankmule on Cael |
| 03:56.30 | Hirsute | Hah! FCF_GetCurrentChatFrame():GetName() |
| 03:58.31 | Jerub | truck. |
| 03:58.48 | Jerub | i can't change my 'legal name' on battle.net without going through a process that involves forging id cards and stuff |
| 03:58.52 | Cide- | Shirik, doing what? |
| 03:59.21 | Jerub | in australia, you are allowed to say your name is whatever you want provided you're not doing it for purposes of fraud, and 'legal name' isn't an actual concept. |
| 03:59.52 | Shirik | they were doing their typical "wikiraep" where they all call out pages and the first person to get a post number ending in 50 picks |
| 04:00.06 | Shirik | So I put the non-printing character (alt+0160) as my post |
| 04:00.07 | Shirik | and I won |
| 04:00.12 | Shirik | and then they were like "wtf" |
| 04:01.00 | Jerub | Shirik: what does that do, for those of us who don't know anything about 4chan |
| 04:01.10 | Shirik | non-printing character? |
| 04:01.18 | Shirik | it does exactly what it says it does |
| 04:01.24 | Shirik | my post is blank |
| 04:01.58 | Jerub | Shirik: okay, why is that a wtf thing? |
| 04:02.10 | Shirik | because they were like "wtf what page do we do?!?!" |
| 04:02.10 | Cide- | because there is no such wikipedia article |
| 04:02.22 | Jerub | oooh, right |
| 04:02.35 | Jerub | sorry, didn't understand the post number ending in 50 thing properly. |
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| 04:10.11 | Hirsute | Iriel: Just FYI (though you may not care at all) I found out how to do what I was wanting to do. The name of the EditBox for the currently active ChatFrame can be obtained with FCF_GetCurrentChatFrame().editBox:GetName() This may or may not be helpful to others, so I thought I'd post it in here. |
| 04:10.51 | Iriel | Hirsute: Ah, good to know - i figured there might have been a function for it in there, but some of the FCF code makes my brain hurt 8-) |
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| 04:13.06 | Hirsute | It all makes my brain hurt, and it ended up not being helpful in this case, because the problem is in Linkerator's hooking (during Load) of the ChatFrameEditBox's onChar script. Looks like addons that do that are going to need to get the number of current chat frames on load, and hook each one in a loop during Load, then probably watch for creation of new chat frames and hook their edit... |
| 04:13.08 | Hirsute | ...boxes on creation. Not the quick fix I was hoping for. |
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| 04:19.42 | cybermind | the whole "let's change this feature but keep the older version as an option" really makes for some ugly code |
| 04:20.08 | cybermind | in both the default ui and the addons |
| 04:26.18 | Pytlask | agrees with cybermind |
| 04:26.42 | iSylvir | Uhm |
| 04:26.50 | iSylvir | Am I the only one having issues connecting to World of Warcraft? |
| 04:27.03 | kd3 | everyone probably is considering it's patch day in the us |
| 04:27.17 | iSylvir | Yeah, but are the servers back up? |
| 04:27.23 | kd3 | most of them |
| 04:27.30 | iSylvir | never mind |
| 04:27.34 | iSylvir | took piss forever to connect |
| 04:28.07 | iSylvir | D: damnit |
| 04:28.10 | iSylvir | broke my ui |
| 04:28.13 | iSylvir | curse you 3.3.5 |
| 04:28.20 | kd3 | log out and re-enable 'load out of date' |
| 04:28.28 | iSylvir | no its not that |
| 04:28.29 | iSylvir | the chat logs |
| 04:28.31 | iSylvir | are different |
| 04:28.39 | kd3 | yes. that's the whole point of 3.3.5 |
| 04:28.45 | iSylvir | I know. |
| 04:29.05 | iSylvir | and wow, the Tukui website is down |
| 04:29.06 | iSylvir | fucking wow. |
| 04:30.46 | iSylvir | sighs. |
| 04:31.57 | iSylvir | wiped my addons folder, going to make my own UI now I guess. |
| 04:38.43 | SeanK | Goodbye mIrc, hello pidgin |
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| 04:48.06 | iSylvir | Anyone know a good cast bar addon/ |
| 04:48.09 | iSylvir | ?* |
| 04:49.00 | Jerub | iSylvir: as in, showing cast times on your own spells? |
| 04:49.03 | Jerub | I use Quartz |
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| 04:49.13 | Seerah | There are quite a few. Quartz, eCastingBar, AzCastBar, Gnosis, Castbars.... |
| 04:49.29 | iSylvir | Yeah, I'm looking through 'em, i'm looking for something really simple >< |
| 04:50.00 | Jerub | iSylvir: i haven't done anything except install quartz. |
| 04:50.06 | Jerub | and it does everything i want in cast bars. |
| 04:50.12 | Seerah | iSylvir: this one just adds to the default: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16652-LonnyCastingBar.html |
| 04:50.37 | Jerub | shows me number of seconds cast time, shows me my latency on the bar so i know when to hit the button again, and required no configuration to do so |
| 04:50.52 | iSylvir | I'm not using the default unit frames, Seerah. Is that going to pose an sisue? |
| 04:50.53 | Jerub | also tells me how many seconds my crafting is going to take. more useful than you'd think |
| 04:51.04 | iSylvir | issue* |
| 04:51.18 | Seerah | iSylvir: no, cast bars and unit frames are two different things. |
| 04:51.35 | Seerah | Only if your UFs have their own castbars and try to hide the default, you'll want to disable that if you can |
| 04:51.37 | iSylvir | Eh, tekkub's unit bars dont work unless you have the default unit frames installed. |
| 04:51.46 | iSylvir | oWait, I wonder if mine do. |
| 04:51.52 | iSylvir | >< |
| 04:52.13 | iSylvir | i'm going to monkey around with some oUF config |
| 04:53.39 | Jerub | i'm finally tempted to go and mess with oUF_freebgrid, or find another grid |
| 04:54.23 | cog|away | 14:03 <@Shirik_> cog|away: kill C# for me please |
| 04:55.53 | cog|away | Shirik: ¿por qué? |
| 04:56.30 | Cide- | no need to discuss it now cog|away |
| 04:56.33 | Cide- | I already killed it |
| 04:56.43 | Adys | buys a sniper gun |
| 04:56.50 | Adys | aims at C# |
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| 05:11.55 | iSylvir | :( |
| 05:12.17 | iSylvir | There's no EASY way to move oUFrames, is there? |
| 05:12.23 | iSylvir | it's just guess and check? |
| 05:14.11 | Jerub | iSylvir: oUF_movableframes i think |
| 05:14.11 | iSylvir | eww. |
| 05:14.21 | iSylvir | I'd rather guess and check. /chuckle |
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| 05:17.37 | PProvost | I use oUF_MovableFrames (the one by haste) and then when I get it where I want, I look at the number and update the layout file. |
| 05:19.09 | iSylvir | uhm |
| 05:19.12 | iSylvir | i think i broke it. |
| 05:19.26 | iSylvir | I was messing with the coordinates, didn't change anything out of the usual, and now its displaying the default unit frames. |
| 05:19.52 | iSylvir | nvm, deleted a comma |
| 05:23.41 | haste | why update the layout file :p ? |
| 05:23.59 | durcyn | sweet, 3.3.5 has a nifty memory leak with nvidia drivers |
| 05:24.34 | Jerub | durcyn: yay |
| 05:24.42 | Jerub | i only have a gig of ram |
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| 05:25.02 | Jerub | running a browser iwth wowwiki open on a page with a bunch of youtube videos is enough to cause me to swap heaps |
| 05:25.39 | Iriel | durcyn: it's super unstable |
| 05:27.24 | durcyn | wheeee.. Not enough storage is available to process this command. .?AVCImVector@NTempest@@ Requested 16384000 bytes of memory |
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| 05:33.55 | iSylvir | Hm... |
| 05:34.09 | iSylvir | I think I've revised an addon for what I want my 'first addon' to be. |
| 05:34.54 | iSylvir | I feel significant, someone admired my User Interface work. o.o |
| 05:42.34 | iSylvir | hey |
| 05:42.37 | iSylvir | i need some help |
| 05:42.47 | iSylvir | whenever i change a value in the config for this addon |
| 05:42.50 | iSylvir | it doesn't actually move the frames |
| 05:42.59 | iSylvir | regardless how big of a value change i make it. |
| 05:43.09 | iSylvir | IE i'm trying to move the unit frames to the top right of my screen |
| 05:43.21 | NightHawkTheSane | you need to reload your UI before changes to a .lua file will appear in game. |
| 05:43.27 | iSylvir | i've been |
| 05:45.09 | iSylvir | I even modified the values to 0, 0 and it's still not working |
| 05:45.09 | iSylvir | D: |
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| 05:58.46 | Iriel | I wonder if the frame has become marked as user placed, and the layout-cache is overriding you? |
| 06:03.00 | iSylvir | huh? |
| 06:03.09 | iSylvir | well i went and downloaded moveable frames, and I still cant move it |
| 06:03.52 | iSylvir | I didn't bother tagging them for movable frame support because its widely downloaded and i just assumed that people would add that in |
| 06:04.18 | iSylvir | of course, i cant move MY frame either. |
| 06:04.30 | iSylvir | so i guess they don't have the thingey |
| 06:04.32 | iSylvir | variable thing. |
| 06:05.04 | iSylvir | they're in a horridly intrusive place, too |
| 06:08.16 | iSylvir | anyone at all have any ideas with this? |
| 06:08.17 | WobWork | As an experiment, last friday, I put white vinegar into the kettle here at work, to sit over the weekend... http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ecce5edb1d46413e37f90b34b649577a.jpg |
| 06:09.08 | SeanK | is the clean part below where the vineager line was? |
| 06:09.11 | Jamash | now your kettle is clean, and everything will taste like vinegar! |
| 06:09.13 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 06:09.19 | iSylvir | Someone save my interface! :( |
| 06:09.19 | SeanK | scary |
| 06:10.06 | WobWork | sets out the net under iSylvir's interface. Jump! We'll catch you! |
| 06:10.12 | iSylvir | ... |
| 06:10.22 | iSylvir | twitches, stifles a chuckle, and pretends to be mad. |
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| 06:21.47 | Dagmar | Ooo... I think WIM might well be obsolete, but the new chat windows are purty |
| 06:27.12 | iSylvir | i agree. |
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| 06:30.51 | Dagmar | Wow... This is *cold*. |
| 06:31.14 | Dagmar | I just noticed that you can report your friends for having an "inappropriate name" with a right-click, but not the /who list |
| 06:31.15 | Dagmar | lol |
| 06:32.29 | Jerub | i found a neat way of reporting spammy bots in org |
| 06:32.31 | Jerub | you whisper them |
| 06:32.46 | Jerub | they're sometimes afk, so you get an afk response, so you can report them for spam |
| 06:32.49 | Jerub | or some reply |
| 06:32.54 | Jerub | with like 'aaaa' |
| 06:32.57 | Jerub | so you report them for spam |
| 06:33.20 | Dagmar | You can't just report them when they spam trade? |
| 06:33.24 | Jerub | I'm so ronrey: http://failblog.org/2010/06/18/epic-fail-photos-kim-jong-il-fail/ |
| 06:33.40 | Jerub | Dagmar: i mean the fuckers who lay on the ground or hover in the air |
| 06:33.59 | Dagmar | Jerub: That' almost as good as Pedobear making it into that euro newspaper as an Olympic Mascot |
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| 06:35.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:37.30 | Dagmar | Jerub: ...and in case you think I'm kidding: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7187027/Polish-newspaper-claims-Pedobear-is-2010-Vancouver-Olympic-mascot.html |
| 06:37.46 | Jerub | http://www.lamebook.com/thats-it |
| 06:37.47 | Dagmar | I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw that one |
| 06:37.51 | Jerub | Dagmar: no, i remember that |
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| 06:39.07 | Cide | wow, my router is fucked up |
| 06:39.24 | Jerub | Cide: howso? |
| 06:39.33 | Cide | there's no way to reboot it through the admin interface |
| 06:40.05 | Cide | brb |
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| 06:43.58 | Fisker | haste |
| 06:44.18 | WobWork | Jerub: and they say actors aren't typecast =P |
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| 06:45.00 | Fisker | hey WobWork |
| 06:45.09 | Fisker | i'm very sick |
| 06:45.22 | WobWork | =( |
| 06:45.26 | WobWork | Sick of Blizzard? |
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| 06:45.50 | Fisker | well yes also that |
| 06:45.54 | Fisker | but i'm sicksick |
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| 06:51.35 | iSylvir | What type of addon would you consider a death knight's disease tracker? |
| 06:52.06 | Iriel | Class AddOn -> DK ? |
| 06:53.20 | Torhal | Fisker is apparently so sick that Pedobear wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire. |
| 06:53.28 | iSylvir | Hm |
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| 06:54.44 | iSylvir | cries. |
| 06:54.50 | iSylvir | Anyone wanna name a good debuff tracker? |
| 06:55.21 | iSylvir | Never mind, Tukui is functional again |
| 06:55.41 | Fisker | the best part of this is that my nose just started bleeding so awesome |
| 06:55.45 | Fisker | now i'm swallowing blood |
| 06:55.45 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 06:56.17 | iSylvir | coulda' lived without knowing that, you know. |
| 06:57.12 | Bruners | Fisker: what fans do you recommend ? need 5 120mm and 2 92mm |
| 06:58.15 | Maldivia | *yawn* morning |
| 06:58.25 | Fisker | why would you buy fans Bruners ? |
| 06:58.37 | iSylvir | Good Morning, Maldivia. |
| 06:59.08 | Fisker | and anything i drink tastes like blood |
| 06:59.10 | Fisker | wonderful |
| 06:59.19 | Bruners | Fisker: the ones i have are noisy with low air flow, two of them are also about to die |
| 06:59.27 | Maldivia | isylvir, yeah, guess it is a good morning :) |
| 07:00.10 | Fisker | :o Bruners |
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| 07:01.31 | Maldivia | when did the servers actually come up last night (or well this night) ? |
| 07:03.32 | iSylvir | Tukz amuses me. |
| 07:03.33 | iSylvir | can i really need to explain this? |
| 07:03.37 | iSylvir | In his config. |
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| 07:04.55 | Jerub | Fisker: you're not doing something silly like tilting your head back are you? |
| 07:06.48 | Jerub | Fisker: simply hold your nose clamped with yor fingers until the blood clot comes good. |
| 07:07.12 | Jerub | Fisker: if problem persists, eat a steak and see a doctor. |
| 07:07.29 | Fisker | imma steak u |
| 07:10.41 | durcyn | Fisker: your nose is bleeding because i was thinking about punching you |
| 07:10.44 | iSylvir | Tilting your head back is actually effective, since blood fails to flow as fast out and therefor clots quicker. Holding your nose closed also works though. |
| 07:10.50 | durcyn | telekinesis achieved! |
| 07:10.59 | iSylvir | Durcyn: I lol'd. |
| 07:11.01 | Fisker | naw durcyn |
| 07:11.07 | Fisker | it's bleeding cause i pick it too much |
| 07:11.14 | iSylvir | eww.. |
| 07:11.56 | Fisker | well gotta dig a hole so i can breathe somehow |
| 07:13.17 | Zyn- | dig dat gold |
| 07:14.36 | Bruners | Fisker: why so helpful today |
| 07:16.31 | iSylvir | BSAH is currently using .5k KB of memory. Broken...as intended. |
| 07:18.09 | zenzio | BSAH? |
| 07:21.39 | iSylvir | Boss Strategies At Hand x3 |
| 07:26.33 | Fisker | why so sick today Bruners ? |
| 07:26.50 | Bruners | Fisker: need fans :( |
| 07:27.00 | Fisker | idk |
| 07:27.09 | Fisker | i just use those i have in my lian-li |
| 07:27.22 | Fisker | which are really cool and doesn't afraid of anything |
| 07:27.51 | Bruners | those i have are fail and got blue leds |
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| 07:28.16 | Fisker | can't you turn them off? |
| 07:28.53 | Bruners | would ruin my disks and cpu |
| 07:29.55 | Fisker | i mean the leds durr |
| 07:33.12 | Fisker | it is mindblowing that the trinket from ruby sanctum is better than death's choice for a paladin :( |
| 07:34.17 | Fisker | btw Bruners |
| 07:34.24 | Fisker | why are norwegians jerks? |
| 07:34.32 | Bruners | they are? |
| 07:34.37 | Fisker | yeah |
| 07:34.39 | Bruners | we are just better than you |
| 07:34.41 | Bruners | not jerks |
| 07:34.42 | Bruners | :D |
| 07:35.02 | Fisker | naw |
| 07:35.11 | Fisker | if they were truly better i would've had my new motherboard by now |
| 07:35.26 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 07:35.28 | purl | ~pong |
| 07:35.31 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:35.33 | Bruners | haha, norwegian postal service |
| 07:35.34 | Bruners | gg |
| 07:35.44 | Shirik | I believe I have broken the internet |
| 07:36.34 | Bruners | Fisker: order something from the USA and it will arrive before the package sent from Oslo to north norway :P |
| 07:36.49 | Fisker | :( |
| 07:36.53 | Fisker | i disagree Shirik |
| 07:38.11 | Bruners | Fisker: what motherboard? |
| 07:38.25 | Fisker | your mom |
| 07:38.30 | Bruners | Fisker: and why arent you ordering from germany or uk instead |
| 07:38.44 | Bruners | or sweden even |
| 07:38.59 | Fisker | lol germany or uk |
| 07:39.01 | Fisker | or sweden |
| 07:39.30 | Fisker | http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=2064 |
| 07:40.11 | Fisker | lol @ the pictures |
| 07:40.31 | Fisker | "Solid CAP 10 years ultra long lifetime" |
| 07:40.33 | Fisker | "no explosion" |
| 07:40.41 | Fisker | yeah i expect my motherboards to not blow up |
| 07:40.42 | Fisker | :3 |
| 07:40.46 | Bruners | hehe |
| 07:43.44 | Fisker | what case do you have btw? |
| 07:44.02 | Bruners | thermaltake armor va8000bws |
| 07:44.31 | Fisker | :o |
| 07:44.58 | Bruners | 18kg empty |
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| 07:47.20 | Bruners | was one of the "best" cases available when i got it |
| 07:47.50 | iSylvir | oh, fancy, tornado warning <3 |
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| 07:50.03 | Bruners | needs more tax money |
| 07:51.08 | Fisker | moar |
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| 07:57.56 | iSylvir | http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/5720/wowscrnshot062310025544.jpg |
| 07:57.58 | iSylvir | I lol'd. |
| 07:58.36 | Sixen | Is that a new Ticekting system? |
| 07:58.41 | Sixen | They used to whisper in-game. |
| 07:58.55 | zenzio | I have trouble finding it amusing that people keep sending the GMs such reports when they sit on the Trade channel shouting OMG GMS ARE SO SLOW!!! |
| 07:59.30 | iSylvir | I don't. .-. |
| 07:59.46 | iSylvir | That took almost a week and a half. |
| 08:00.06 | iSylvir | So I assume he just put it on the back burner until 1) He though of a witty reply; 2) Got around to it. |
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| 08:03.40 | Sixen | ohai kd3 |
| 08:05.17 | Fisker | not so ohai Sixen :( |
| 08:05.42 | Fisker | that's not new Sixen |
| 08:06.22 | Fisker | also angarde should be banned |
| 08:06.35 | Fisker | people who waste GM time on that shit should just be cut up and fed to the dogs |
| 08:06.46 | Sixen | :( |
| 08:07.04 | Fisker | :(? |
| 08:07.26 | Sixen | I hate dogs. |
| 08:07.37 | Torhal | "Your report priviledges have been suspended for one month. We sincerely hope you enjoy your stay in Azeroth." |
| 08:08.00 | Sixen | What..? |
| 08:08.03 | Sixen | They can suspend that? |
| 08:08.19 | zenzio | I believe it was a joke |
| 08:09.07 | Torhal | T'was. |
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| 08:15.36 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 08:15.40 | Fisker | i killed you |
| 08:18.37 | Torhal | Fisker: Stop playing with voodoo dolls, Fisker. |
| 08:18.49 | Kalroth | voodoo dolls and yourself |
| 08:19.53 | zenzio | http://www.madatoms.com/site/blog/search-engines-of-the-past - I found this amusing until it called Altavista "unmemorable" |
| 08:20.37 | Kalroth | I used av.com a lot before google |
| 08:20.54 | zenzio | Altavista, at least in my circle of friends, was THE search engine pre-Google |
| 08:21.02 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
| 08:21.06 | Fisker | i agree |
| 08:21.46 | Jamash | the pre-google years were dark times |
| 08:22.01 | Fisker | your mom were the dark ages |
| 08:22.10 | Jamash | sense, you make none |
| 08:22.21 | Fisker | that's what she said |
| 08:22.25 | Fisker | while i was doing her |
| 08:22.59 | Kalroth | seems like av is simply yahoo today |
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| 08:32.37 | Adys | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/6/23/redolent-spices/ |
| 08:35.37 | haste | zenzio: same here |
| 08:35.54 | Fisker | haste |
| 08:35.58 | haste | Fisker |
| 08:36.01 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 08:36.05 | Fisker | l2sendstuff |
| 08:36.17 | haste | but I ended you! |
| 08:36.37 | Fisker | no |
| 08:36.40 | Fisker | also Microsoft sucks |
| 08:36.49 | Fisker | they can't have 2 patch tuesdays in a month :( |
| 08:37.56 | Fisker | EDI Created2010-06-22 21:06Status OK, Registered |
| 08:38.01 | Fisker | it's like it vanished out of thin air! |
| 08:39.32 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:44.03 | Fisker | Antiarcmen |
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| 09:02.13 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || 3.3.5 Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/aCj0Wy || AVR broken in 3.3.5 http://cot.ag/aYo2YE || Are you going to BlizzCon (Oct 22 & 23)? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Happy Birthday Krka! |
| 09:02.25 | Kalroth | :o |
| 09:02.29 | Kalroth | GRANPA KRKA |
| 09:02.31 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 09:02.37 | Fisker | not so hey krka |
| 09:02.48 | Fisker | but atleast happy birthday |
| 09:07.39 | Jamash | Adys |
| 09:08.25 | Fisker | he's dead Jamash |
| 09:08.31 | Jamash | oh ok |
| 09:09.12 | krka | wait, how did you know? O_o |
| 09:09.15 | Adys | Jamash: ? |
| 09:09.49 | Fisker | you won't get any sleep if you keep not sleeping :/ |
| 09:09.55 | Fisker | krka she's a stalker |
| 09:09.56 | Jamash | the sell price on the tooltips on mmo-champion.com are unreadable, with the text rendering on top of the coin icons |
| 09:10.43 | Jamash | also single digits cut off half the coin icon |
| 09:13.07 | jnwhiteh | hrm, patch download is very slow today =/ |
| 09:14.34 | Fisker | why would you patch?! |
| 09:16.10 | Bibi | [11:09:26] <Jamash> the sell price on the tooltips on mmo-champion.com are unreadable, with the text rendering on top of the coin icons |
| 09:16.14 | Bibi | ctrl F5 ? I think we fixed that? |
| 09:18.15 | Jamash | still looks that way to me, even after a full refresh |
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| 09:26.46 | foxlit | What's this? An actual dungeon queue for tanks? |
| 09:27.27 | olafski | incroyable! |
| 09:30.23 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: no.. say it aint so! |
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| 09:30.52 | foxlit | Had to wait an actual 40 seconds. |
| 09:31.47 | foxlit | Though I think that just might be the Ahune queue -- people realized they could hit tank when they're DPS and not be crit to the face. |
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| 09:32.51 | Zyn- | Ahune pop almost instantly ... hell, you don't even need a proper tank for it |
| 09:33.37 | Zyn- | and I keep getting the scythe on every character but my shitty lock >_> |
| 09:34.34 | Fisker | as long as you are a tank class you can easily dps tank it all |
| 09:40.12 | zenzio | you know |
| 09:40.20 | zenzio | Firefox should skip from 3.x to 5.x |
| 09:40.30 | zenzio | 4.0 just gives Netscape/IE 4 associations |
| 09:41.41 | jnwhiteh | Adys: Shit, I just realized I won't get the patch until next week, will I? |
| 09:41.50 | jnwhiteh | Is the latest PTR the same build as release? |
| 09:42.31 | Fisker | hah jnwhiteh |
| 09:42.45 | Fisker | is it because you use a US client or what? |
| 09:42.51 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 09:42.57 | jnwhiteh | no? |
| 09:42.59 | jnwhiteh | wtf are you talking about |
| 09:43.10 | Fisker | [11:13:06] <@jnwhiteh> hrm, patch download is very slow today =/ |
| 09:43.10 | Fisker | [11:14:29] <Fisker> why would you patch?! |
| 09:43.13 | Fisker | [11:41:40] <@jnwhiteh> Adys: Shit, I just realized I won't get the patch until next week, will I? |
| 09:43.16 | Fisker | :o |
| 09:43.29 | jnwhiteh | My PTR is patching |
| 09:43.32 | Fisker | oh |
| 09:44.14 | Zyn- | EU gets it next week, and then Asia after that, so .. no Ruby Sanctum for at least another 3 weeks |
| 09:44.17 | jnwhiteh | anyone know if PTR build matches retail build? |
| 09:44.25 | jnwhiteh | I need to update the API scans, my addons, etc. |
| 09:44.54 | Fisker | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14870871 |
| 09:45.11 | Fisker | how do figure it's 3 weeks Zyn- ? |
| 09:45.33 | Zyn- | seeming as they wont activate it until all regions got the patch ;S |
| 09:45.37 | Fisker | well if you tell me what the retail build number i can tell you the PTR |
| 09:45.38 | Fisker | :P |
| 09:45.49 | jnwhiteh | Anyone on enUS can tell us the build number? |
| 09:45.53 | Fisker | Zyn- EU and Asia (assuming it'll be a week after EU) is 2 weeks |
| 09:46.03 | Fisker | actually i can |
| 09:46.05 | Zyn- | knowing Blizzard: 3 |
| 09:46.06 | Fisker | i also have the US client |
| 09:46.06 | Zyn- | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
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| 09:46.24 | Zyn- | if DICE was in charge of it ... we'd have to wait until this christmas |
| 09:46.38 | foxlit | random heroics are instant, though |
| 09:46.55 | Fisker | Zyn- i doubt it'll be more than a week |
| 09:47.20 | Zyn- | either way, only one new encounter to pew pew as a filler until Cataclysm |
| 09:47.41 | jnwhiteh | 3.3.5.12213 |
| 09:48.00 | Fisker | 3.3.5.12213 |
| 09:48.02 | Fisker | oh u jnwhiteh |
| 09:48.30 | Fisker | same as ptr then |
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| 09:52.16 | jnwhiteh | Does the new LibJostle work on 3.3.3? |
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| 10:00.56 | zenzio | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.40019 |
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| 10:46.10 | Fisker | come on guys |
| 10:46.11 | Fisker | be happy |
| 10:46.18 | Fisker | the first 2 new episodes of futurama is out |
| 10:51.14 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: it has since 3.3.5 was on PTR, all i did was add an 'if ChatFrameEditBox then ... end' i think to make it silently fail on 3.3.5 while still working for the previous version |
| 10:51.25 | Arrowmaster | or ChatFrame1 |
| 10:51.27 | Arrowmaster | whatever it was |
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| 10:55.02 | mikma | fisker: yeah, watching e01 atm |
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| 11:00.04 | Arrowmaster | surblibed with only tribbial brain damblage |
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| 11:29.54 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: What happened to ChatFrameEditBox? |
| 11:30.41 | jnwhiteh | Hrm, are there no PTR servers up? |
| 11:30.46 | jnwhiteh | That will make my life incredibly difficult =/ |
| 11:31.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 11:31.32 | zenzio | what is LibJostle? |
| 11:31.45 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember what i changed i just remember it was supposed to work on both version although it wasnt truely fixed for 3.3.5, just made to not error |
| 11:32.23 | jnwhiteh | Bugger, no PTR |
| 11:35.37 | Fisker | Blizzard doesn't care about EU players |
| 11:37.10 | theorbtwo | Blizzard knocked down the Towers! |
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| 11:44.51 | Fisker | ~seen Antiarc |
| 11:44.52 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (3h 2m 2s) #wowace (3h 2m 2s) #curseforge (3h 2m 2s), last said: 'Linode's Fremont datacenter is being DOS'd :<'. |
| 11:45.23 | foxlit | Bear dodge animation is... interesting |
| 11:45.32 | Fisker | owned |
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| 11:48.44 | iSylvir | waves. |
| 11:49.54 | zenzio | waves back |
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| 12:00.12 | Fisker | fucks up zenzio |
| 12:01.31 | MoonWitch | I can't believe I actually bothered with a legal windows license |
| 12:01.42 | MoonWitch | never had more shit with something then this |
| 12:02.06 | zenzio | what sort of trouble? |
| 12:02.14 | zenzio | my XP and Win7 both gave me no grief |
| 12:02.37 | Arrowmaster | damnit that reminds me i forgot to get one from MSDNAA before last semester ended |
| 12:04.39 | MentalPower | you probably still can |
| 12:04.53 | MentalPower | my MSNDAA kept working for about a year after I finished |
| 12:08.04 | MoonWitch | zenzio: I found it highly annoying that my license - bought and paid for with the purchase of a laptop - was seen as not valid during the activation process |
| 12:08.20 | MoonWitch | and due to that, my pc shut down without any damn warning causing me to lose an hour work |
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| 12:08.42 | zenzio | MoonWitch: while I agree that's bad, I do have to say save early, save often |
| 12:09.36 | MoonWitch | I would have been a lot more understanding if they had - for example - warned you saying "Your key didn't validate. You have 5 minutes to shut down the pc" |
| 12:09.59 | MoonWitch | although it's a bit overkill for the first attempt at validation. I booted up, and still had 27 days to activate |
| 12:10.24 | foxlit | MoonWitch: the actual warning is "Your key did not validate, you have 30 days to find a valid key" |
| 12:10.43 | MoonWitch | and about 5 min later the pc shut down |
| 12:11.00 | MoonWitch | that's the point where they pissed me off |
| 12:11.01 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 12:11.14 | foxlit | Can you even be sure it was because of the key? |
| 12:11.18 | MoonWitch | yes. |
| 12:11.20 | foxlit | And not some unrelated issue? :) |
| 12:11.27 | MoonWitch | I am extremely sure |
| 12:11.29 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 12:11.40 | zenzio | mind if I ask why you're so sure? |
| 12:11.47 | zenzio | did it tell you once you rebooted? |
| 12:11.52 | MoonWitch | all updates had been applied, and the reboot for those had been done. So couldn't have been that |
| 12:12.04 | MoonWitch | booted up after that -- got the message |
| 12:12.34 | MoonWitch | figured I'd do the call during office hours since most services aren't active outside of office hours |
| 12:12.56 | MoonWitch | since it mentioned 28 days left to activate (checked that) , I didn't see an issue there |
| 12:13.26 | MoonWitch | went to work, and poof got the "Windows is shutting down" |
| 12:13.36 | MoonWitch | pc wasn't hot or anything, brand new laptop |
| 12:13.51 | zenzio | I won't argue since I don't have experience with pre-installed Windowses, but I've never heard of Windows spontaneously shutting down due to invalid keys like that |
| 12:14.01 | zenzio | only rebooting for the release candidate |
| 12:14.14 | MoonWitch | nor had I - but I can only contribute this to that |
| 12:14.21 | MoonWitch | was the only thing going "wrong" |
| 12:15.03 | theorbtwo | It amazes me how leniant windows 7 is about licenses, though. I've been running without a key since release, using only actual docuemnted methods. |
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| 12:15.22 | MoonWitch | well normally I just use a keygen and hosts edit |
| 12:15.25 | MoonWitch | that works fine. |
| 12:15.40 | MoonWitch | but in this case, I figured, since I paid for an OEM license, I may as well use it |
| 12:15.41 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 12:16.16 | foxlit | "MoonWitch: figured I'd do the call during office hours" << it's an automatic system |
| 12:16.30 | MoonWitch | well it's my first time calling for activation :P |
| 12:16.49 | foxlit | Be prepared for "Did you pirate our operating system? Hit 1 for Yes." |
| 12:18.13 | MoonWitch | oh it's sorted already they offer a fast forward key |
| 12:18.38 | MoonWitch | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqmobReWhRo here's a song for everyone .. I fully expect Cairenn to click it (even tho she's AFK) |
| 12:23.00 | MoonWitch | I keep thinking I totally forgot to install some stuff on the laptop |
| 12:28.46 | foxlit | "OPie has some issues with the SteelSeries mouse while binding keys, disabling "Detect WoW Mouse" while binding and then re-enabling works around the issue." << I totally need to hunt down someone with that mouse |
| 12:30.02 | Kalroth | MoonWitch: that song is so girly |
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| 12:30.48 | Kalroth | hi Kaio! |
| 12:31.31 | Kalroth | oh the Kaio I know is greek |
| 12:31.49 | Kaio_ | mh.. no sorrry I'm german :P |
| 12:32.21 | Kalroth | We can still be friends though, even if I don't like Germans that much! |
| 12:32.41 | Kaio_ | germany arent that bad ^^ |
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| 12:33.25 | Kaio_ | so..I want to create an addon which filters some messages in the chat such as a message containing "gold sell" and doesnt show them in the chat window.. any tips ?^^ I dont know how to start |
| 12:35.41 | foxlit | Kaio_: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 12:36.13 | Xinhuan | i take it realID works across server regions right? |
| 12:36.14 | Kaio_ | ah thanks |
| 12:36.27 | foxlit | Xinhuan: you put it back, young man. |
| 12:36.29 | Kalroth | yes Xinhuan |
| 12:36.37 | Xinhuan | hmmmm |
| 12:37.03 | foxlit | I was under the impression that you can't have EU friends while on the US servers. |
| 12:37.04 | zenzio | wait, so I can spam my American friends with the loot they're not getting again? |
| 12:37.13 | foxlit | They are cross-battlegroup, though. |
| 12:37.18 | Xinhuan | so if i add a real ID, and remove his 4 chars from my friends list, i can't use my friends list to autocomplete his name when mailing items |
| 12:37.27 | Xinhuan | damn |
| 12:37.30 | Xinhuan | need a new solution |
| 12:37.47 | foxlit | Hijack the autocomplete API. |
| 12:37.58 | Xinhuan | i sorta do that already |
| 12:38.07 | Xinhuan | i just need to remember who i deleted and add them to a manual list |
| 12:38.22 | Kalroth | foxlit: Yes, EU, US, China, etc aren't connected at all, so it doesn't work between them |
| 12:38.58 | Kalroth | I read groups when Xinhuan said regions, my bad |
| 12:41.57 | Xinhuan | actually when i said regions, i meant like EU vs US then i realized EU hasn't patched yet |
| 12:44.07 | Kalroth | :) |
| 12:44.28 | Kalroth | They want to shield US players from the mean EU players |
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| 12:48.43 | iSylvir | .-. |
| 12:48.45 | iSylvir | waitwut? |
| 12:50.06 | zenzio | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/23/0250219/Coming-Soon-Web-Ads-Tailored-To-Your-Zip4 |
| 12:52.03 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
| 12:52.05 | Fisker | not so hey alestane |
| 12:52.23 | iSylvir | wtb privacy? |
| 12:52.46 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.59 | olafski | at least now we'll get ads that might be useful |
| 12:53.26 | Kaio_ | does gsub work with regexp? for replacing ??????????? into ? |
| 12:53.26 | Fisker | yeah |
| 12:53.52 | Fisker | now we'll just get "Got chicks near <zipcode location>" instead of geoip |
| 12:54.13 | Fisker | AW FUCK OFF CURSE CLIENT |
| 12:54.21 | Fisker | i fucking disabled auto updates and it does it either way |
| 12:54.39 | olafski | I get that too sometimes |
| 12:54.50 | Xinhuan | Kaio_, Lua doesn't use regexp |
| 12:54.56 | Fisker | This is not something i want when addons aren't compatible |
| 12:55.03 | Kaio_ | mh bad |
| 12:55.05 | Xinhuan | it uses its own subset that's pretty close to regexp but not quite it |
| 12:55.15 | Kaio_ | i will see thanks |
| 13:05.26 | olafski | is there a "regexp" standard then? |
| 13:05.37 | olafski | or do you mean close to PCRE or something like that? |
| 13:05.38 | zenzio | nope |
| 13:05.49 | olafski | so Lua does use regexp ;) |
| 13:05.59 | zenzio | no, wouldn't say so |
| 13:06.03 | MentalPower | its regex, just not POSIX or PCRE |
| 13:06.03 | olafski | :( |
| 13:06.10 | zenzio | isn't it their own words that it's "patterns"? |
| 13:06.36 | MentalPower | in this context those two terms are synonymous |
| 13:06.41 | MentalPower | regular expressions |
| 13:06.52 | olafski | Lua, the scripting language that World of Warcraft uses, does not support regular expressions. Instead, it offers a basic pattern-matching mechanism with most of the features of REs. Though since Lua doesn't implement regexes, at all, but rather "patterns", this can confuse more than it helps. Better refer to the official Lua documentation (which never mentions "regular expressions"). |
| 13:06.58 | olafski | from wowwiki |
| 13:07.01 | Kaio_ | cant i just use findpattern(msg, '?*') ? |
| 13:07.05 | MentalPower | the Lua devs do call them patterns, but that is like windows wallpapers vs apple's backgrounds |
| 13:07.29 | olafski | yeah apple stole that idea and then called it different to make it sound unique! |
| 13:07.35 | olafski | bastards |
| 13:07.59 | theorbtwo | Patterns is a better technical term. PCREs aren't regular expressions in the proper, computer-science definition of the term. |
| 13:08.00 | MentalPower | like I said, its not PCRE or POSIX RE's, but they're close enough for the majority of cases |
| 13:08.22 | theorbtwo | (Backreferences make them no longer regular.) |
| 13:08.42 | MentalPower | didn't know that one :) |
| 13:08.51 | zenzio | I don't know where "regular" came from, they always looked irregular to me |
| 13:08.59 | zenzio | but I didn't study computer science |
| 13:09.52 | olafski | I did and I have no clue why they're called regular either :) |
| 13:12.12 | Fisker | hej olafski |
| 13:13.14 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/137996 |
| 13:13.40 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:13.53 | theorbtwo | To be honest, I don't really know either, but smarter people then me have claimed it. |
| 13:15.38 | zenzio | BetterDate? |
| 13:15.53 | Fisker | anything awesome jnwhiteh ? |
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| 13:17.16 | theorbtwo | Ah, there's a good line on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression#Patterns_for_non-regular_languages |
| 13:17.22 | jnwhiteh | hahah awesome |
| 13:17.23 | jnwhiteh | Button:GetDontSavePosition() |
| 13:17.28 | jnwhiteh | Button:SetDontSavePosition() |
| 13:17.45 | jnwhiteh | Adys: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#uncategorized updated |
| 13:17.51 | olafski | oh nice, FF can now restart plugins when they crashed without crashing the entire browser +) |
| 13:18.25 | zenzio | olafski: I'm not yet sure, but 3.6.4 feels faster to me |
| 13:18.29 | alestane | Oh, the drama: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25552355536&sid=1 |
| 13:19.32 | olafski | ah I don't really mind the speed either way |
| 13:20.08 | zenzio | I'm just curious if - if I'm not just imagining it - it's because of the plugin change |
| 13:20.26 | olafski | hm could be.. not sure if I have pages with plugins open |
| 13:21.14 | jnwhiteh | YOU HAVE NO ACTIVE WORLD OF WARCRAFT ACCOUNTS ATTACHED |
| 13:21.15 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 13:21.21 | jnwhiteh | Why do the WoW forums yell at me =/ |
| 13:21.28 | zenzio | lol |
| 13:21.39 | alestane | Not surprisingly, as soon as Blizzard adds a nifty feature to something, the forum is full of requests to make it go away. |
| 13:22.02 | jnwhiteh | I'm actually glad I don't have a US account.. sometimes. |
| 13:22.16 | Fisker | i just ate icecream |
| 13:22.41 | jnwhiteh | I just fisted myself with icecream. |
| 13:22.50 | jnwhiteh | my office is a mess! |
| 13:22.53 | Fisker | maybe i should make an US account and post that jnwhiteh |
| 13:23.34 | zenzio | <jnwhiteh> I just fisted myself with icecream. <-- o_O |
| 13:23.47 | jnwhiteh | Fisted, Fisker'd.. very similar. |
| 13:25.07 | jnwhiteh | hugs git |
| 13:27.32 | Fisker | gits a hug |
| 13:31.26 | Fisker | btw awesome jnwhiteh |
| 13:31.38 | Fisker | other than suggesting we should be friends Google Maps also have built in transit infos now |
| 13:32.50 | jnwhiteh | nomnom |
| 13:33.58 | Fisker | nomnom? :( |
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| 13:37.40 | foxlit | "MentalPower: the Lua devs do call them patterns, but that is like windows wallpapers vs apple's backgrounds" << technically, patterns aren't regular expressions |
| 13:38.25 | foxlit | They are also not a subset or superset of them -- they support some things that are not regular (balanced matching, for instance), and don't support some things that are regular (OR clauses). |
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| 13:50.57 | Kaso | i really miss or clauses |
| 13:52.54 | MentalPower | foxlit: fair, my point is that PCRE, POSIX and Lua patterns, share a common set of features and that saying that Lua doesn't have regex flat out does a disservice. |
| 13:53.11 | jnwhiteh | I agree with foxlit on this one =/ |
| 13:53.32 | jnwhiteh | You can't use Lua patterns like they are any other kind of Regexp, whereas the other regexp implementation at least have something in common. |
| 13:54.10 | MentalPower | are we talking syntax or features here? |
| 13:54.17 | jnwhiteh | Its not quite the different paradigm that LPEG is, but there's a huge difference and someone who wants to do pattern matching in Lua should know there is no Regexp, and just look at the documentation for pattern matching |
| 13:54.22 | jnwhiteh | They're both relevant |
| 13:54.29 | jnwhiteh | (imo) |
| 13:54.51 | foxlit | LPEG is an operator overloading abomination. |
| 13:54.55 | foxlit | </polarizing opinion> |
| 13:54.57 | MentalPower | cause I haven't had any issue porting my "patterns" back and forth between Lua and PCRE |
| 13:55.00 | jnwhiteh | that can do amazing things |
| 13:55.25 | krka | i wish someone ported lpeg to java :/ |
| 13:55.25 | foxlit | MP: a kingdom for a %b() in PCRE. |
| 13:55.33 | jnwhiteh | Then you're clearly using patterns that exist within the intersection of PCRE and Lua patterns. |
| 13:55.36 | MentalPower | granted my patterns err on the simple side |
| 13:55.42 | MentalPower | aye |
| 13:55.59 | jnwhiteh | That's not quite the general case, when someone comes here asking for PCRE, the first thing they want is alternation :P |
| 13:57.29 | Kaso | %b is still one of those things i've never gotten my head around somehow |
| 13:58.38 | jnwhiteh | I'm using it to parse Wowhead at the moment =) |
| 13:59.14 | jnwhiteh | I really need to multithread this damn thing. |
| 13:59.33 | foxlit | luasocket's HTTP sucks in that respect. |
| 13:59.48 | jnwhiteh | nah, you can use the mt packages for Lua to do it easily |
| 13:59.48 | foxlit | No keep-alive, no parallel connections |
| 13:59.54 | Kaso | can anyone provide an example where %b matches something impossible otherwise? |
| 14:00.13 | foxlit | Kaso: I use it to extract {{tooltip|...}} stuff |
| 14:01.07 | foxlit | Can't just use .- as that'll terminate on the first {{thing}}, and can't use .+ as that'll eat its way to {{elinks-item|...}} |
| 14:01.10 | jnwhiteh | Hrm, I should write a version in Go. |
| 14:01.30 | jnwhiteh | but then I'd have to use regexp :P |
| 14:01.38 | Kaso | Interesting |
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| 14:10.46 | foxlit | fu, imageshack. |
| 14:11.09 | foxlit | Browsers should stop people from hijacking my open-in-new-tab behavior :/ |
| 14:12.09 | durcyn | you should middle-click more often. |
| 14:12.26 | foxlit | My mouse has no buttons, your suggestion is invalid. |
| 14:12.32 | Fisker | asuhrsaf |
| 14:12.42 | durcyn | your mouse is invalid, my suggestion has no buttons. |
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| 14:20.15 | Shirik | William F Newton was a professional pooper. He is most famous for his shit in 2010 where 14 pints of blood spilled out of his rectum. He set world records in 2004 and 2005 pooping 12 feet worth of poop in one day(2004) and 14ft in 2005. |
| 14:20.16 | Shirik | He is also known for his Footmen Frenzy championship win in 2009. After the match he was phoned for an interview and he had this to say "I won while pooping, Poop till I die". Which set a fire in the american culture for the next 5 months. Tshirts, hats, and bumper stickers were made with the phrase "Poop till I die". |
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| 14:28.10 | Fisker | i'm sick Shirik |
| 14:28.12 | Fisker | haaaaaaaaalp |
| 14:28.34 | Ackis | real ID's Fisker |
| 14:28.40 | Shirik | I think this is where /b/ would say "an hero"? |
| 14:28.50 | Fisker | you can't Ackis |
| 14:28.55 | Fisker | since Blizzard is the cancer etc. |
| 14:32.38 | foxlit | Hey, what, i284 gear? NERF! |
| 14:34.16 | zenzelezz | I'm personally waiting for i386 |
| 14:34.22 | zenzelezz | for sheer amusement value |
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| 14:34.50 | foxlit | And then i686 in a few years? |
| 14:34.57 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 14:35.26 | zenzelezz | the day we will truly be oPPCs |
| 14:36.19 | Shirik | lol @ i386 |
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| 14:36.31 | Shirik | too bad they'll skip over i286 |
| 14:37.51 | Fisker | halp Shirik |
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| 14:38.01 | Ackis | yeah but Shirik they'll come back to 8086 gear! |
| 14:38.07 | Fisker | who says they will Shirik ? |
| 14:39.40 | Kaso | ivl is an odd statistic |
| 14:40.48 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online had a very similar concept, but they called it quality level; there was no common/uncommon/rare/epic, only QLs |
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| 14:45.23 | malreth | Blizzard should just scrap item quality and just use ilevel |
| 14:45.41 | malreth | i have no basis on why i think that... i'm just throwing that out there |
| 14:45.45 | alestane | That doesn't make people feel cool, though. |
| 14:45.59 | bluspacecow | what then after that ? IPentium ? |
| 14:46.18 | Jamash | they should do the opposite |
| 14:46.20 | MentalPower | iLvl is an internal metric. item quality is the abstracted version |
| 14:46.23 | Jamash | add a new color for every raid tier |
| 14:46.35 | Jamash | my mauve gear is better than your puce gear |
| 14:47.04 | Ackis | yeah my mother of pearl gear is better than your white which is better than your off-white which is better than your mauve gear! |
| 14:47.22 | MentalPower | my pink gear is better than your mauve :) |
| 14:47.35 | Ackis | too slow MentalPower! TOO SLOW! |
| 14:47.38 | Jamash | oh yeah well my lightish red is better than your pink |
| 14:47.55 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:48.03 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 14:48.05 | Fisker | answer me |
| 14:48.14 | MentalPower | I should be at work, but this damn iPhone update is taking forever... |
| 14:48.31 | Jamash | iphones are serious business |
| 14:53.27 | Maldivia | then dont update, it will only slow your phone down :) |
| 14:54.22 | MentalPower | too late for that |
| 14:54.34 | MentalPower | its restoring my old media ATM |
| 14:54.43 | MentalPower | arguably the longest part of the process |
| 14:54.43 | Kaso | my boss' phone took 4 hours to update to ios4 apparently |
| 14:54.53 | Maldivia | you havent read the "reviews"? |
| 14:54.55 | MentalPower | sounds about right |
| 14:55.24 | MentalPower | I have, but what are you referring to specifically? |
| 14:55.29 | Maldivia | apparently the phone crashes aftet being on for around 35 hours |
| 14:55.49 | MentalPower | haven't heard that one |
| 14:55.53 | MentalPower | link? |
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| 14:56.30 | MentalPower | fully expects a rickroll... |
| 14:56.43 | bluspacecow | never going to give you up |
| 14:56.47 | bluspacecow | never going to let you down ..... |
| 14:57.40 | Maldivia | heh, seing if i can find the link again |
| 15:01.03 | Maldivia | hmm, can't re |
| 15:01.24 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.02 | malreth | mumbles about newegg taking long enough to process my order |
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| 15:07.15 | Maldivia | but it was somewhere about poor performance on the 3g and 3gs |
| 15:08.05 | zenzelezz | 3GS mostly seems to handle iOS4 well; 3G not as much |
| 15:08.22 | Wobin | I've not updated |
| 15:08.28 | Wobin | due to being 3Gic |
| 15:08.32 | Kaio_ | string.gsub(msg, '(\?%a+)', '?') shouldnt this replace ???? with only one ? . ? |
| 15:08.36 | Wobin | (also due to being jailbroken and the like) |
| 15:08.46 | Wobin | but I don't see myself doing so anyway |
| 15:09.38 | foxlit | Kaio_: no. |
| 15:10.05 | Kaio_ | damn.. how should I do this? :/ |
| 15:10.08 | foxlit | lua> string.gsub("hi?there!", '(\?%a+)', '?') |
| 15:10.09 | lua_bot | foxlit: hi?!, 1 |
| 15:10.25 | Kaso | %?+ |
| 15:11.48 | Kaio_ | ah thanks Kaso |
| 15:12.34 | malreth | wouldn't you actually want to match two or more question marks? i mean, it seems a waste to replace one question mark with another. |
| 15:12.54 | Kaso | fair point |
| 15:13.36 | Maldivia | pssh, that just optimization :)) |
| 15:14.54 | Kaso | if you have a pattern like "test$" does it match it backwards? |
| 15:14.59 | Kaso | ie, does it check the last letter first |
| 15:15.02 | Xinhuan | no |
| 15:15.14 | Xinhuan | $ matches end of string |
| 15:16.00 | Kaso | i know, what i mean is if you do "^test", it checks the first charater, then if it isnt t, returns. saving time. if you do it opposite does it step through from the end, and returns immediately if the last letter is not t |
| 15:16.09 | Xinhuan | don't know about that |
| 15:16.24 | Xinhuan | you could run a loop of 100000 and find out |
| 15:17.02 | Jamash | you could read the source and find out |
| 15:17.22 | foxlit | Most people don't have lua source lying around :) |
| 15:17.31 | Jamash | pshaw, http://www.lua.org/source/5.1/ |
| 15:17.43 | foxlit | But no, $ isn't optimized the way ^ is |
| 15:17.53 | foxlit | Probably because it'd be a pain. |
| 15:18.00 | Kaso | interesting, thanks |
| 15:18.01 | Maldivia | well, there could be vendor specific optimizations |
| 15:18.23 | Jamash | if you want to match something at the end of a string, you could reverse the string then match backwards |
| 15:18.37 | Jamash | I doubt it matters unless the string is very very large |
| 15:18.53 | Kaso | yeah, i was just having a spurt of curiousity, not any real application |
| 15:19.01 | Kaso | that sounds dirty |
| 15:20.00 | foxlit | "For an assignment I am tasked to (amongst other things) have a FauxScrollFrame with some elements in it." |
| 15:20.07 | foxlit | :/ |
| 15:20.31 | Jamash | an assignment? |
| 15:20.40 | Jamash | are people writing wow addons for school now? |
| 15:21.01 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33370 << you could ask :) |
| 15:21.26 | Maldivia | hmm, is the school paying the monthly fee then |
| 15:21.51 | foxlit | Maldivia: one wonders about the initial box purchase, too. |
| 15:22.11 | foxlit | Could also be a "write me this addon, here's some $$$" brand of assignment. |
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| 15:22.42 | Maldivia | true |
| 15:23.07 | Kaio_ | is there something like AND or && in lua? if a== 1 AND b==1 .. i cant find it in google.. |
| 15:23.42 | Jamash | yes, it's called "and" |
| 15:23.52 | Kaio_ | oO |
| 15:23.54 | foxlit | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.3 |
| 15:24.13 | Kaio_ | aw.. case sensetive damnit |
| 15:24.15 | Kaio_ | thanks |
| 15:24.45 | Xinhuan | tsk tsk |
| 15:24.46 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 15:24.57 | foxlit | fisker fisker, Fisker? |
| 15:26.54 | Kaso | "notmatching$" : 21.866958 |
| 15:26.54 | Fisker | it worked |
| 15:26.54 | Kaso | "^notmatching:" : 0.0017740000000011 |
| 15:27.01 | Kaso | my that is a time difference |
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| 15:27.18 | Kaso | just to confirm what foxlit said earlier, given i had half written a test script anyway |
| 15:27.27 | Xinhuan | what was your test string? |
| 15:27.59 | Kaso | about 100,000 chars of lipsum |
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| 15:33.27 | Wobin | blah |
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| 15:33.37 | Wobin | I felt like Fisker earlier this evening (ie sick) |
| 15:33.42 | Wobin | so I went to bed |
| 15:33.58 | Wobin | and I woke up to find the Australian political landscape had changed on me |
| 15:34.04 | Wobin | Thanks Fisker =( |
| 15:35.15 | Kaso | reading the lua source code is hard :( |
| 15:35.26 | Wobin | but edumacating! |
| 15:35.33 | Fisker | nice Wobin |
| 15:35.42 | Fisker | i'm still sick btw |
| 15:35.50 | Wobin | so am I =( |
| 15:35.52 | Wobin | but I feel better |
| 15:35.54 | Fisker | even better now i'm frequently getting nosebleeds |
| 15:36.06 | Wobin | Have you seen a doctor? |
| 15:36.11 | Wobin | cause that doesn't sound too good |
| 15:36.11 | Fisker | just the flu |
| 15:36.32 | Wobin | =\ Keep your fluids up |
| 15:36.50 | Fisker | yarr |
| 15:36.53 | Fisker | i know what a flu is |
| 15:36.53 | Fisker | hoho |
| 15:37.08 | Wobin | ~rimshot |
| 15:37.09 | purl | badum-TISH! |
| 15:37.14 | Wobin | (man, you really are sick =P) |
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| 15:38.31 | Lunessa | sTATION |
| 15:38.44 | Lunessa | CAPS LOCK! |
| 15:38.53 | Maldivia | :P |
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| 15:40.56 | bluspacecow | hai Luney |
| 15:41.51 | Lunessa | Sup? |
| 15:43.01 | Dementati | Is it possible to look at the definitions of the FauxScrollFrame_ functions, and if so, where are they? |
| 15:43.09 | bluspacecow | nothing much reading iron fist |
| 15:43.44 | mikma | ooo, 3.25% to lvl80 |
| 15:44.15 | foxlit | Dementati: yes it is, |
| 15:44.16 | foxlit | ~framexml |
| 15:44.17 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 15:44.23 | Wobin | mikma, Fire festival |
| 15:44.29 | Wobin | +%xp gain |
| 15:44.54 | mikma | wobin: ya, but havent used that buff since i already got 2x heirloom xp items |
| 15:45.03 | Wobin | pft |
| 15:45.04 | Wobin | why not? |
| 15:45.10 | Wobin | it's ADDITIVE |
| 15:45.11 | Kaso | Doing the Fire Festival stuff gets you generic horde/alliance rep doesn't it? |
| 15:45.15 | Dementati | foxlit: Which file? |
| 15:45.16 | Wobin | (isn't it?) |
| 15:45.42 | mikma | wobin: i know, but haven't seen any poles |
| 15:45.42 | foxlit | Don't recall offhand, go search. :) |
| 15:45.53 | Dementati | foxlit: That's what I'm doing... =/ |
| 15:45.57 | Wobin | you're in icecrown? |
| 15:46.11 | mikma | ya |
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| 15:47.05 | mikma | wobin: 45k to lvl80 and i got 2x 26k quests done ;) |
| 15:47.29 | mikma | this rogue has been fun |
| 15:48.30 | Shirik_ | ScytheBlade1: you still around? |
| 15:48.52 | Shirik_ | still need help with that domain controller problem |
| 15:48.54 | alestane | Dementati, if you don't already have one it would be a good idea to have a text editor that can do multifile searches. |
| 15:48.59 | Shirik_ | when I go to "effective permissions" it says I have "full control |
| 15:49.03 | Shirik_ | so something is really screwy |
| 15:49.10 | alestane | Then you can just type "FauxScrollFrame" into a search box. |
| 15:49.17 | Dementati | alestane: I'm in the process of doing just that. Thanks for the thought. |
| 15:49.37 | alestane | As it happens, it's UIPanelTemplates.lua. |
| 15:49.44 | Dementati | Thanks. |
| 15:50.21 | Lunessa | Shirik: Experience tells me that permissions on an account get hosed all the time and some times the only fix is to blow the account away and rebuild it. |
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| 15:52.07 | Shirik_ | not cool Lunessa :( |
| 15:52.50 | Lunessa | Shirik_: After having had to do that for several folks here, I don't know what else to tell you. |
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| 16:01.45 | Lunessa | cog|away: http://failblog.org/2010/06/23/epic-fail-photos-product-fail-spree-3/ |
| 16:06.47 | alestane | "I knew Gandalf was awesome, but i didn’t know he was God." |
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| 16:08.47 | malreth | the AK-47 is a nice added touch |
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| 16:12.50 | Fisker | you damn norwegian n00bs hat |
| 16:12.52 | Fisker | haste |
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| 16:17.22 | Lunessa | Hallowed Cloak of Invisibility had me laughing. |
| 16:17.26 | Fisker | no Lunessa |
| 16:17.33 | Fisker | stops Lunessa from laughing |
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| 16:20.42 | Shirik_ | pop quiz |
| 16:20.56 | Shirik_ | you win 1 free internet if you can figure out what this regex does: ^([^:]+::)*[^:*&]+[&*]?$ |
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| 16:21.09 | Fisker | filter smileys |
| 16:21.31 | Shirik_ | no. |
| 16:22.02 | zenzelezz | the first part made me think IPv6 |
| 16:22.02 | Fisker | well you should've answered me earlier then |
| 16:22.03 | alestane | Namespace parser in C++? |
| 16:22.38 | Shirik_ | alestane wins |
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| 16:23.37 | Fisker | answer me Shirik |
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| 16:24.18 | Wobin | =O |
| 16:24.25 | Wobin | why do people do this: http://consumerist.com/2010/06/friendlys-grilled-cheese-burger-melt-is-coming-for-your-arteries.html ? |
| 16:24.34 | Fisker | answer me Shirik |
| 16:25.05 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 16:25.09 | Fisker | get Shirik to answer me |
| 16:26.33 | zenzelezz | arteries... what have they ever done for you? |
| 16:26.39 | alestane | Is that last character so that if it resolves to a type, you can include a reference or pointer to that type, then? |
| 16:26.55 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 16:26.56 | Fisker | alestane |
| 16:26.59 | Fisker | get Shirik to answer me |
| 16:27.13 | alestane | I have no interest vested in that problem. |
| 16:27.43 | Fisker | what problem? |
| 16:29.08 | Fisker | Shirik fatter ikke en meter |
| 16:30.09 | alestane | That Shirik isn't answering you. |
| 16:30.51 | Fisker | Shirik_ fater heller ikke en meter alestane |
| 16:31.08 | Ackis | I linked this pic to a buddy of mine who isn't asian: http://www.dailykitten.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/1276225108.DSCN7675_edited-1.jpg and he said "you're making me hungry" :( |
| 16:31.20 | Fisker | Ackis fater heller ikke en meter |
| 16:31.51 | Ackis | wot? |
| 16:31.59 | Fisker | præcis |
| 16:32.06 | zenzelezz | well who doesn't like to eat a good... |
| 16:32.15 | Ackis | My dumbass -> english translation isn't working apparently, I can't understand Fisker |
| 16:32.46 | Fisker | zenzelezz fatter heller ikke en meter |
| 16:33.06 | foxlit | Fisker, if we call Peter for you, will he take you back? |
| 16:33.32 | Fisker | haha no |
| 16:33.41 | Fisker | those 14 days expired ages ago |
| 16:34.07 | foxlit | It's leasing, though. Could just refuse to pay for your services :) |
| 16:34.18 | Fisker | they're free |
| 16:35.23 | foxlit | I wonder if we'll ever see battle.net trojan addons. |
| 16:35.42 | foxlit | "Oops, disconnected you. Type your password right here... and off it goes through BN-chat." |
| 16:36.00 | Fisker | baw |
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| 16:38.03 | foxlit | I'm mildly annoyed by badly-made machinima where you can clearly tell that models have been superimposed onto an animated background :/ |
| 16:38.47 | malreth | http://screens.nca-guild.com/uploads/243.jpeg |
| 16:39.18 | Ackis | http://bit.ly/9uQOHC does the transcript from the 911 call see strange to you? |
| 16:39.23 | zenzelezz | malreth: o_O |
| 16:39.49 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/lol/WoWScrnShot_062310_185008.jpg |
| 16:40.48 | Lunessa | Wobin: People do that for the deliciousness. |
| 16:40.49 | Ackis | how terrible is the new Real ID stuff btw? I don't see my facebook spammed with wow posts |
| 16:40.54 | Zyn- | WoW and fractals, trippy |
| 16:41.30 | Fisker | Shirik_ fat a meter and svar mig |
| 16:46.55 | Adys | jnwhiteh: cool thanks :) |
| 16:47.29 | alestane | The only Facebook integration I've heard described with Real ID is that you're supposed to be able to give it your Facebook info, and it'll searh your Facebook friends for people with Real IDs so you can friend them. |
| 16:47.58 | nicoli_s | it worked pretty good for SC2 |
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| 16:48.40 | foxlit | "Bob was just zerg rushed." "Mallory likes this." |
| 16:48.59 | foxlit | "Alice must construct additional pylons." |
| 16:49.01 | Lunessa | I added a RealID friend last night. It's sort of AIM for WoW meets Facebook. |
| 16:50.36 | Lunessa | I am not ever planning to have it scour Facebook, but my opinion is subject to change. |
| 16:50.44 | Xinhuan | alestane, that apparently only works in starcraft, wow doesn't have the integration yet |
| 16:51.22 | Wobin | haha yay physics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TMZASCR-I&feature=player_embedded |
| 16:52.20 | Lunessa | Also wobin the burger you linked is my diet's entire calorie allotment in 1 fucking sandwich. I'd have to try it, just once. |
| 16:52.52 | Wobin | Lunessa, for the day or week =P |
| 16:53.16 | Lunessa | It's 1500 calories. My current diet plan is for me to eat 1500 calories a day |
| 16:53.36 | foxlit | I always wonder why the kilo prefix gets dropped |
| 16:54.31 | Lunessa | because people don't want to think of kilocalories consumed. |
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| 16:54.38 | foxlit | Meh. |
| 16:54.51 | zenzelezz | because saying "I eat one and a half million calories a day" sounds bad |
| 16:55.05 | foxlit | Though it'd be funny if US units were defined in terms of pounds and degrees Fahrenheit. |
| 16:55.06 | Wobin | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4dzyaDefa1qzerero1_500.jpg |
| 16:55.39 | NeoTron | I liked the facebook thing for SC2 |
| 16:55.50 | NeoTron | esp since I'm friended with a Blizzard developer >:-) |
| 16:56.21 | Lunessa | You could already feed your Achievements in WoW to your Facebook news feed. |
| 16:56.35 | NeoTron | but I guess WoW had no facebook thing |
| 16:56.36 | Lunessa | Several of my friends do this. |
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| 17:02.27 | Lunessa | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xPRJcY91HB4/SUfzvhmurTI/AAAAAAAAAD8/aAEjoQxpEV0/s1600-h/anteater.jpg |
| 17:05.04 | Wobin | #WIKIFACT The Dolby Noise Reduction System was named after it's inventor, Ray Noisereduction. |
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| 17:05.27 | olafski | nice stuff wobin :D |
| 17:05.39 | erikd | so who loves realid?! :P |
| 17:06.30 | zenzelezz | I hate the name |
| 17:06.37 | zenzelezz | makes me think of RealPlayer |
| 17:07.31 | erikd | hmm, that's true |
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| 17:09.11 | Dagmar | Ah like RealID |
| 17:09.39 | Dagmar | i'll like it more when I can pull people from other servers/faction for Icecream runs, but I can wait for thta |
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| 17:15.48 | erikd | yeah, it'd be cool if you could form a cross server raid with friends (even if it's in the same battlegroup) |
| 17:17.45 | Dagmar | I was right about my particular case. Not 5 minutes after friending a guy I work with, he commented that it looked weird to see my real name up there, since no one uses it |
| 17:19.18 | erikd | it's definitely weird seeing real names. now i'll have to remember what everyone's real name is... |
| 17:19.32 | erikd | i set notes on everyone so i can remember who they are, though |
| 17:20.14 | Thunder_Child | oh lol "The proc on Deathbringer's Will causes shapeshifted female tauren druids to change fur colors." |
| 17:22.34 | Fisker | old |
| 17:22.42 | Thunder_Child | but amising |
| 17:23.10 | Thunder_Child | amusing* |
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| 17:31.36 | Fisker | hey hey hey kd3 |
| 17:32.44 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: If it caused "frizzies" as well it would be epic |
| 17:39.57 | MoonWitch | Dagmar: that'd be funny as hell |
| 17:40.07 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 17:44.00 | Wobin | copies WoW to his new laptop |
| 17:44.04 | Wobin | Lets see how it runs |
| 17:44.44 | Ackis | Run WoW Run! |
| 17:45.11 | Jamash | how many cores you got wobin |
| 17:46.37 | Wobin | Jamash, Core2 Duo |
| 17:46.49 | Jamash | INSUFFICIENT CORES |
| 17:46.56 | Jamash | you need at least 4 to be cool |
| 17:47.01 | Wobin | ... for WoW? |
| 17:47.03 | Wobin | pshaw |
| 17:47.06 | Jamash | I'm being silly |
| 17:47.27 | Wobin | Quad Core just sounds like a ATV |
| 17:47.27 | MoonWitch | core i3 any better? |
| 17:48.13 | Jamash | I hate intel's product labeling scheme |
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| 17:48.33 | Jamash | You cannot tell, from the name of the product, how many cores / what features it has |
| 17:49.42 | nevcairiel | not entirely, no, but i3 at least has no HT, while i5 has |
| 17:50.21 | Jamash | an i5 might have 2 or 4 cores |
| 17:50.41 | Jamash | whereas an i7 might have 4 or 6 |
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| 17:50.47 | nevcairiel | i3 and i5 are basically the same chips, with and without HT |
| 17:51.11 | nevcairiel | but you need the model number to know the details =) |
| 17:51.21 | nevcairiel | some also have an IGP |
| 17:51.38 | Jamash | I miss the days when the names of processors meant something |
| 17:51.59 | nevcairiel | when was that? |
| 17:52.05 | nevcairiel | Its liek saying .. a 486 |
| 17:52.09 | nevcairiel | there are many models of those |
| 17:52.27 | Jamash | take a 486 DX2 |
| 17:52.37 | Jamash | it was twice as good as a 486, IIRC |
| 17:53.09 | nevcairiel | well sure, but in this context, we would just have been given 486, and trying to figure out what features it had would be equally hard |
| 17:53.32 | Jamash | true |
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| 17:56.07 | Jamash | and now they've resurrected the name pentium |
| 17:56.23 | nevcairiel | yeah, i always wondered wtf is up with that |
| 17:56.29 | Jamash | my theory is that they did so because they want weird al's song to remain relevant |
| 17:56.30 | nevcairiel | now the low-end cpus get to be called pentium again |
| 17:58.20 | Jamash | and performance-wise, cpus confuse the hell out of me |
| 18:00.17 | nevcairiel | at least benchmarking cpus is relatively easy, compared to properly benchmarking GPUs |
| 18:01.55 | Ackis | nicoli_s: http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/yassine-mikari-rescues-a-cat-during-tunisia-1-1-france.html |
| 18:02.15 | Ackis | Cairenn: feel the earthquake? |
| 18:02.29 | MoonWitch | tackles Cairenn and hugs her. |
| 18:02.40 | Cairenn | Ackis: yes! Did you? |
| 18:02.51 | Ackis | nope lol |
| 18:02.51 | MoonWitch | earthquake? |
| 18:03.14 | Ackis | guy sitting next to me has his finacee living in Toronto, she called him after it happened |
| 18:03.36 | nicoli_s | Ackis:im semi frightened of one of my cats now |
| 18:03.42 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:03.54 | nicoli_s | i was talking to it and i swear to god it copy catted me like perfectly(excuse the pun) |
| 18:04.04 | nicoli_s | i mean all i said was "huh" but it was really creepy |
| 18:04.21 | Ackis | my cats talk back to me all the time |
| 18:04.33 | nicoli_s | well they talk back, but i mean it sounded like my voice |
| 18:04.37 | nicoli_s | that was the creepy part |
| 18:04.43 | Ackis | oh lol |
| 18:05.02 | nicoli_s | like it sounded to me like i said it even though i was sitting there watching my cat say it |
| 18:05.07 | nicoli_s | fucking creepy black foot jones |
| 18:05.49 | Ackis | you sure you weren't baked when this occured? |
| 18:05.59 | nicoli_s | what does that have to do with anything :P |
| 18:06.35 | MoonWitch | found a new good sport for me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4slav2QapA |
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| 18:06.40 | MoonWitch | (NSFW!!) |
| 18:06.44 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:06.51 | Ackis | it has everything to do with you nicoli_s |
| 18:07.33 | nicoli_s | im telling ya man that kitty is the devil! the sweetest devil around but the devil nonetheless |
| 18:07.52 | Fisker | free ban for you my friend nicoli_s |
| 18:07.56 | Ackis | basement cat! |
| 18:08.09 | foxlit | Meh. Wonder why I get 25fps while raiding |
| 18:08.22 | foxlit | Some sort of "here's what wow spends time doing" pie would be good. |
| 18:08.24 | MoonWitch | foxlit, shut down the porn on the 2nd monitor? |
| 18:08.40 | foxlit | Basically nothing else is running |
| 18:09.10 | Fisker | basement cat is watching my scrotum Ackis? |
| 18:10.48 | Ackis | no Fisker, basement cat does not have a microscope. |
| 18:11.10 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: because blizzard hates you personally. :P |
| 18:11.24 | Fisker | yeah i know Ackis |
| 18:11.27 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: :*( |
| 18:11.30 | Fisker | that's why i said my scrotum and not yours |
| 18:11.48 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, i've been having the damndest time figuring out why my mouse cursor is horribly jumpy while playing wow. |
| 18:11.51 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, I also get unreplicatable freezes in interface options |
| 18:11.51 | NightHawkTheSane | >< |
| 18:12.03 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: :o that's crazy |
| 18:12.19 | foxlit | 1/2-second ones, but meh |
| 18:12.40 | Ackis | U.S. Geological Survey says central Canada earthquake was 5.5 magnitude and centred north of Gatineau Quebec http://twitpic.com/1zb3s4 |
| 18:13.06 | nicoli_s | lucky canucks and yer earthquakes |
| 18:13.27 | Ackis | if the earthquake was centred in Quebec... maybe we got luck and Quebec was swept out to sea? |
| 18:13.47 | PProvost | http://tweetphoto.com/28720773 |
| 18:13.52 | MoonWitch | hey don;t hate my potential future place of employment Ackis |
| 18:14.16 | Ackis | you're being forced to move to Quebec? I'm so sorry for you. |
| 18:14.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it's quebec. everyone hates quebec. |
| 18:14.39 | MoonWitch | it's probably the ONLY place I could land a job in Canada |
| 18:14.40 | Ackis | even the quebecers |
| 18:14.40 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 18:14.47 | MoonWitch | the french thing |
| 18:14.59 | NightHawkTheSane | why's that? |
| 18:15.10 | Ackis | why MoonWitch? you don't come off as an asshole douche who only speaks frog |
| 18:15.16 | MoonWitch | no |
| 18:15.25 | MoonWitch | but it would earn me " points" to get there |
| 18:15.26 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 18:15.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd make a snarky commment about why would you want to get a job in canada, but canada's not so bad. |
| 18:15.49 | nicoli_s | ive never been to canada but id like to if it wasnt so fucking far away |
| 18:15.52 | MoonWitch | a) it's a different continent then my family |
| 18:15.58 | nicoli_s | Ackis: get right on fixing that for me kthx |
| 18:16.09 | MoonWitch | b) the effort into french now wouldn't be wasted |
| 18:16.15 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/vuvuzela_you_are_doing_it_right.jpg |
| 18:16.22 | Ackis | yeah we can invade the US again but this time take it over eh? |
| 18:16.26 | MoonWitch | c) can't get in anywhere else except by marriage |
| 18:16.32 | nicoli_s | Ackis:go for it |
| 18:16.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: shit, i'lll join you guys |
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| 18:19.50 | Dagmar | Pfft. 5.5 is only a threat to a non-stabilized china cabinet and maybe some carelessly-hung pictures. |
| 18:20.31 | cbreak | poor hard disks. |
| 18:21.11 | Dagmar | Not even those |
| 18:21.32 | Dagmar | RAID throughput will plummet, but that's not enough to damage disks |
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| 18:21.52 | cbreak | poor gramophones |
| 18:22.12 | Lunessa | Ackis: We have nukes and aren't afraind to use them |
| 18:24.03 | Dagmar | Yay. Deep Horizon claims two more victims |
| 18:24.21 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: Many countries, including the US, allow long-term residency by non-citizens for work purposes. It's just a bitch-kitty to get through all the red tape. |
| 18:24.37 | MoonWitch | Lunessa: hence Canada made it easier |
| 18:24.47 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: Biggest problem is demonstrating that you have a reasonably unique talent/ability/skill that the country lacks. |
| 18:25.00 | Lunessa | Well, they're population light, and aren't next door to Mexico. :P |
| 18:25.03 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: ...so basically IT security == write your own ticket |
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| 18:25.20 | MoonWitch | yeah that's what it boils down to |
| 18:25.35 | MoonWitch | but .. they could use me in a company I know the head IT poncho of |
| 18:25.47 | durcyn | (psst, the word is 'honcho') |
| 18:26.00 | MoonWitch | honcho is too mean for him |
| 18:26.12 | MoonWitch | he's the nicest guy ever, so I changed it to poncho :P |
| 18:26.13 | Ackis | ~dict poncho |
| 18:26.20 | durcyn | well, i doubt anyone wears him as a raincoat. |
| 18:26.22 | MoonWitch | it's a coat thing |
| 18:26.27 | MoonWitch | he'd let you |
| 18:26.32 | NightHawkTheSane | odd... |
| 18:26.37 | MoonWitch | he's a doll |
| 18:26.51 | Dagmar | This is also why the guy riding the power lawnmower who doesn't speak a damn word of English, is probably *not* a registered and visa-bearing worker |
| 18:27.15 | Cloudwolf | !api setscript |
| 18:27.15 | lua_bot | ScriptObject:SetScript: Sets the widget's handler function for a script (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScriptObject/SetScript) |
| 18:27.24 | Hirsute | Okay... I'm obviously doing something wrong, and I'm rusty, anyone mind pointing it out? If I do "ChatFrame1EditBox:GetScript("OnShow")", I get the expected function as a result. If I do "local i = 1 ChatFrame..i..EditBox:GetScript("OnShow")" I get an "attempt to call method GetScript (a nil value)" error. How do I go about this? |
| 18:28.03 | nevcairiel | you cant just concat stuff like that |
| 18:28.10 | Jamash | _G["ChatFrame"..i.."EditBox]:GetScript("OnShow") |
| 18:28.18 | Jamash | er, left out a " |
| 18:28.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 18:28.42 | Hirsute | Win! Thank you! I knew I was forgetting something. Is _G or getglobal the preferred method now? |
| 18:28.54 | nevcairiel | _G |
| 18:28.58 | nevcairiel | getglobal is deprecated |
| 18:29.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: to be sure, with ChatFrame..i..EditBox you're concating three variables, not two strings and a variable. |
| 18:29.08 | nevcairiel | even blizz finally stoped using it |
| 18:29.23 | Cloudwolf | how does one pass the info to a function of which event was fired? function name(self,event,args?) |
| 18:29.58 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: Two strings and a variable, I left off the necessary quotes in my original post, but they're there in my code. |
| 18:30.03 | Hirsute | (Had to go check) |
| 18:30.37 | nevcairiel | And i was wondering why it errored the way it did with the code you posted |
| 18:30.40 | durcyn | you're just missing the _G[] then. |
| 18:30.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: well thats not what you wrote, so i wasn't sure ;) |
| 18:30.55 | durcyn | as it is you're calling GetScript on a string instead of a frame |
| 18:30.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^] |
| 18:31.49 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: *nod* Thanks for checking. |
| 18:32.05 | Hirsute | durcyn: *nod* It's been too long since I've coded. :( Too little time for WoW lately. |
| 18:34.40 | Lunessa | Wow. So much forums QQ about chat features. |
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| 18:36.27 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Oh yeah? WoW forums generally make me grumpy, so I stay away as much as possible. |
| 18:36.33 | Ackis | http://ow.ly/22mp5 soccer gets violent as a player slaps a woman reporter on his way out of the game lol |
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| 18:37.34 | Dagmar | Ackis: No the best part is that she taught that jackass what happens when you hit a girl unprovoked |
| 18:37.50 | Dagmar | She split that bitches lip. :) |
| 18:38.38 | Ackis | yeah but she just took away her ability to say she was assaulted |
| 18:39.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i somehow doubt anyone would terribly fault her. |
| 18:39.37 | Ackis | nor do I |
| 18:39.39 | NightHawkTheSane | unless the article is vastly misleading, it was kind of unprovoked, and in front of a bunch of witnesses |
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| 18:42.00 | Dagmar | It *was* unprovoked. |
| 18:42.24 | Dagmar | THe only thing previous was that the woman had written an article about the guy. |
| 18:43.13 | Dagmar | Ackis: ...and unless laws are radically different there, hitting someone back doesn't revoke one's right to press an assault charge |
| 18:43.25 | cbreak | I bet the second article will have a worse effect on publicity |
| 18:43.58 | Dagmar | I think it would rock if she wrote an article informing everyone that he hits like a bitch. |
| 18:45.15 | Ackis | Dagmar: generally when you hit someone back, it's called a consensual fight (unless used in self defence)... her hitting him back was not self defence in any way, shape or form |
| 18:45.36 | cbreak | did it stop him from hitting her a second time? |
| 18:45.41 | cbreak | then it was self defense :) |
| 18:45.51 | cbreak | (successful too!) |
| 18:46.05 | Dagmar | Ackis: Not quite. The lawyers and judge can *agree* to call it a fight |
| 18:46.20 | Dagmar | <-- hangs out in cities at unsuitable hours |
| 18:46.27 | Dagmar | Sadly, I've been to night court twice |
| 18:47.44 | Jamash | did you get harry anderson as judge? |
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| 18:49.24 | taroven | wtb wowcompares updating for 3.3.5. |
| 18:49.48 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Ever been in a club during a raid by vice? |
| 18:49.54 | foxlit | wtb wowcompares that actually... compares? |
| 18:50.01 | taroven | That too. |
| 18:50.08 | foxlit | Not this uselessly broken shell of a thing |
| 18:50.19 | Jamash | wowcompares is dead, rip |
| 18:50.25 | taroven | =\ |
| 18:50.27 | Hirsute | :( |
| 18:50.29 | foxlit | [Download zips still works, though] |
| 18:50.41 | Hirsute | The 3.3.2 zip is not complete |
| 18:50.46 | PProvost | Just use tekkub's github for wow source lookups |
| 18:51.01 | PProvost | Works like a charm |
| 18:51.04 | durcyn | git://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source |
| 18:51.18 | PProvost | yupyup |
| 18:51.29 | PProvost | Or in a browser for a quick lookup |
| 18:51.32 | Jamash | git makes me angry |
| 18:51.34 | taroven | Sweet, works for me |
| 18:51.46 | PProvost | Jamash: just use a browser |
| 18:51.49 | Dagmar | Lunessa: The renegades I've been too had better intelligence sources than that |
| 18:51.51 | Jamash | true |
| 18:52.00 | PProvost | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source |
| 18:52.04 | Lunessa | Dagmar: *nod* |
| 18:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | git makes me hungry... |
| 18:52.28 | Dagmar | I wound up in night court the first time as a witness for someone, and the second time um, basically getting some charges dropped |
| 18:52.35 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, no.. that's just the lack of breakfast. |
| 18:52.41 | Dagmar | I one-shotted a much bigger guy after he tried to put me in a headlock. |
| 18:52.47 | Jamash | how I show diffs |
| 18:52.52 | Dagmar | ...so he tried to press assault charges. Hahah |
| 18:53.04 | cbreak | Jamash: git diff |
| 18:53.10 | Jamash | in the web thingy |
| 18:53.13 | cbreak | Jamash: surprise surprise :) |
| 18:53.26 | Dagmar | This is how I'm reasonably sure it can still be self-defense if you hit someone back. :) |
| 18:53.58 | cbreak | web thing? |
| 18:54.36 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:54.42 | Fisker | good night, sweet prince |
| 19:00.41 | Cloudwolf | !api strata |
| 19:00.42 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'strata': Frame:GetFrameStrata, Frame:SetFrameStrata |
| 19:01.10 | Hirsute | woot! Fixed Linkerator. |
| 19:08.23 | Wobin | hm |
| 19:08.28 | Wobin | ninjapanel error |
| 19:11.58 | Dagmar | Let me guess... |
| 19:12.04 | Dagmar | You were able to see it clearly on the screen? |
| 19:12.26 | Wobin | yes? |
| 19:12.32 | Wobin | there was a bug |
| 19:12.38 | Wobin | but as I was trying out my laptop |
| 19:12.43 | Wobin | it wasn't a very legible bug =) |
| 19:16.01 | Dagmar | Well, just as long as it doesn't like... kill your whole family or something. |
| 19:16.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: it might be that libjostle error |
| 19:17.12 | Wobin | hm, quite likely |
| 19:17.28 | Wobin | oh |
| 19:17.34 | Wobin | I apologise Dagmar |
| 19:17.34 | frontendloader | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_tennis_match_records clamp down on the spam editing of this shit every time one of the two idiots @ wimbledon scores a point. |
| 19:17.37 | Wobin | I missed your joke =( |
| 19:17.50 | Wobin | but it's 5am |
| 19:17.53 | NightHawkTheSane | I think you just need to grab the latest revision of that lib, http://www.wowace.com/addons/libjostle-3-0/ (r50 or whatever) |
| 19:17.56 | Wobin | So I have an excuse |
| 19:18.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: yeesh man, grab a nap |
| 19:18.41 | Wobin | I did =\ from about 8 to 12 |
| 19:19.00 | NightHawkTheSane | get another one? :P |
| 19:19.20 | Ackis | http://www.geekosystem.com/autotune-vuvuzela/ |
| 19:19.47 | Cloudwolf | !api attackspeed |
| 19:19.47 | lua_bot | UnitAttackSpeed: Returns information about the player's or pet's melee attack speed (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAttackSpeed) |
| 19:21.06 | Wobin | It still sounded like a pile of angry bees, but as if said pile of angry bees was attempting to harmonize. |
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| 19:27.18 | Cloudwolf | why would local speed,ohspeed = UnitAttackSpeed("Player") be returning nil on ohspeed when as a rogue im using 2 weapons? |
| 19:29.44 | foxlit | Ackis: the second track sounds like cheating |
| 19:30.03 | Cloudwolf | hmm maybe im trying to query the information too soon |
| 19:30.53 | foxlit | Ackis: so I take their answer to mean "You can't" |
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| 19:36.09 | Cloudwolf | any one know why local mas, ohas = UnitAttackSpeed("Player")-UnitAttackSpeed("Player")%0.01 |
| 19:36.11 | Cloudwolf | mspeed:SetText("M/Oh AS ".. mas .." / " .. ohas) ohas is coming up nill in the 2nd part of the code? |
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| 19:38.01 | mikma | well |
| 19:38.07 | mikma | it's nil, that may be reason? |
| 19:38.30 | Cloudwolf | why is it nil |
| 19:38.35 | mikma | you haven't set it |
| 19:38.37 | Cloudwolf | because mas isn't |
| 19:38.43 | zenzelezz | what did you expect it to be set to? |
| 19:39.17 | Cloudwolf | the code gives an example of attackspeed, offhandattkspeed = UnitAttackSpeed("Player") |
| 19:39.53 | zenzelezz | do you have two weapons equipped? |
| 19:39.59 | Cloudwolf | yes |
| 19:40.22 | mikma | what about if it takes the attackspeed and doesn't take offhandattackspeed at all |
| 19:40.32 | Cloudwolf | ive tested the api ingame |
| 19:40.34 | Cloudwolf | and it works just fine |
| 19:40.43 | zenzelezz | actually - I can't test this since I'm on a non-dual-wielder, but your assignment might be messing it up |
| 19:41.01 | zenzelezz | if you first retrieve the values, then do the math on them, does it make a difference? |
| 19:41.15 | alestane | Well, that was the most amusingly futile trip I've made into Boston. |
| 19:41.22 | NightHawkTheSane | er... |
| 19:41.30 | NightHawkTheSane | local mas, ohas = UnitAttackSpeed("Player")-UnitAttackSpeed("Player")%0.01 |
| 19:41.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ this looks wrong. |
| 19:42.18 | NightHawkTheSane | by using the return from UnitAttackSpeed("player") in an operation like that, you're discarding any return after the first, so ohas would be nil |
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| 19:42.58 | Cloudwolf | that fixed it |
| 19:43.15 | cbreak | what's the point of that line anyway? |
| 19:43.22 | Fisker | i owned you Shirik |
| 19:43.22 | cbreak | modulo with 0.01? |
| 19:43.25 | Fisker | i watched you ignore me |
| 19:43.34 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: i have no idea |
| 19:44.30 | Cloudwolf | I use it to trim the display |
| 19:44.45 | Cloudwolf | so instead of displaying 1.41001006 its just 1.41 |
| 19:44.59 | cbreak | why not use floor? |
| 19:45.15 | Fisker | cbreak fatter ikke en meter |
| 19:45.15 | nevcairiel | yeah, use a proper rounding function :d |
| 19:45.20 | foxlit | why not use a format string, tbh. |
| 19:45.23 | Cloudwolf | cus i don't want it to round |
| 19:45.27 | Cloudwolf | i want it to trunicate |
| 19:45.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Cloudwolf: ah, well, as i said, using the value like that discards everything but the first. if you need the later return values, assign first, operate later. |
| 19:45.48 | nevcairiel | but rounding is more accurate |
| 19:45.54 | foxlit | lua> ("%.2f"):format(1.4499999); |
| 19:45.54 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1.45 |
| 19:45.55 | nevcairiel | also in that case its the same result :P |
| 19:45.55 | Cloudwolf | that fixed it nighthawk ty |
| 19:46.31 | NightHawkTheSane | (and yeah, using a format string is probably the best way to do what you want there) |
| 19:46.39 | NightHawkTheSane | also slightly less ugly |
| 19:48.18 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.42 | Fisker | okcxz |
| 19:50.26 | Thrae | I think this forum post in the bug report forum about Real ID, where they were connected to someone they didn't know, shows what happens when you start with an insecure model without giving any options to the user and just a tiny thing breaks: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25560016435&sid=1 |
| 19:51.10 | Dagmar | Wha's "insecure" about it |
| 19:51.27 | Fisker | slaps Thrae around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:51.37 | Fisker | you know what i'm sick and tired of Thrae? |
| 19:51.57 | Dagmar | Jesus |
| 19:52.04 | Fisker | no |
| 19:52.06 | Dagmar | Don't make it seem like I'm agreeing with Fisker |
| 19:52.12 | Fisker | i'm sick and tired of agreeing with you Thrae |
| 19:52.13 | Dagmar | That's always bad |
| 19:53.07 | Fisker | nw |
| 19:53.09 | Fisker | naw |
| 19:53.53 | Dagmar | Interesting bug tho by what the users are reporting. |
| 19:54.16 | Dagmar | User a can send messages to user b, user b sends messages to user a and user c gets them instead |
| 19:55.03 | Fisker | lets sue Blizzard |
| 19:55.56 | Dagmar | Watch this be a "both users had the same email address" bug or somesuch |
| 19:55.59 | Fisker | like i told someone that i had an affair with x's mom |
| 19:56.03 | Fisker | but it was x who got the message |
| 19:56.19 | zenzelezz | isn't the e-mail their battle.net account name? |
| 19:56.21 | Thrae | Dagmar: If we want to go into technicals and semantics we'll end up talking about vetting, popular security models, etc. but I think that's a different topic of discussion. Here, in this bug report, we have an example of the trust Blizzard already *did* explicitly establish being broken by a bug. |
| 19:56.23 | Fisker | i thought you couldn't have the same e-mail address? |
| 19:56.46 | Dagmar | Thrae: No we won't because what went wrong is trivial and has jack ans squat to do with the system's security model |
| 19:57.21 | Thrae | Dagmar: However, the security breech from the bug could have been *reduced* with privacy options and better control over the new feature. |
| 19:57.26 | Dagmar | If neither user noticed something went wrong, then maybe there'd be an actual problem. |
| 19:57.34 | Dagmar | Bullshit. |
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| 19:57.41 | Dagmar | ...and it's spelled b-r-e-a-c-h. |
| 19:57.50 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy! |
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| 19:58.02 | Lopeppeppy | Hola. |
| 19:58.09 | alestane | Hey look, it's a Peppy. |
| 19:58.13 | Thrae | Dagmar: Come on, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity here. I give everyone here that. When have you seen me play grammar nazi? |
| 19:58.16 | zenzelezz | no |
| 19:58.19 | zenzelezz | it's THE peppy |
| 19:58.30 | alestane | I just made a sillily futile paid trip into Boston. |
| 19:58.58 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:59.04 | Lopeppeppy | The bestest Peppy. |
| 19:59.10 | alestane | Always. |
| 19:59.14 | Dagmar | Thrae: No these are entirely separate issues. You're trying to call a bug which isn't security related a "breach" which is generally nonsense, and misguided _at best_ |
| 19:59.35 | Dagmar | Misspelling "breach" irks me for entirely different reasons. |
| 19:59.49 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.53 | Dagmar | "More controls" wouldn't solve the problem that the system broke and connected the wrong usersd |
| 19:59.54 | Fisker | batshit insane? |
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| 20:00.07 | Cloudwolf | ... day 1 of RealID and shit is already going down |
| 20:00.18 | Cloudwolf | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25552355289&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
| 20:00.19 | Cloudwolf | post 56 |
| 20:00.33 | Dagmar | There's no reason to think it would have not connected htem, and I'll go out on a rather thick limb and surmise that quite possible "more privacy" from your actual friends might have kept them from noticing there was a problem. |
| 20:00.55 | alestane | So I was just telling Lunessa, Peppy, I got called into Boston on standby because an event was having problems with their Fedora machines and apparently couldn't find a Linux tech. |
| 20:00.57 | Thrae | Dagmar: There's a level of trust involved with Real ID. It's explicitly stated many times. If you end up talking to someone who's not your friend by a bug, but a stranger, you could end up divulging information you normally wouldn't divulge. How isn't that a security *breach*? |
| 20:01.34 | foxlit | Cloudwolf: one wonders if that's a true story |
| 20:01.42 | Cloudwolf | foxlit i woudln't doubt it |
| 20:01.44 | alestane | They agreed to pay me for travel time if the client didn't confirm, I went into Boston, waited about half an hour and they called me back and said to go home after all. |
| 20:01.51 | Dagmar | Thrae: Because it's not a "breach"/. |
| 20:01.53 | zenzelezz | Cloudwolf: it's the WoW forums; doubt it |
| 20:01.56 | Dagmar | It's a *bug*. |
| 20:02.01 | Lopeppeppy | hey, it's paid time. |
| 20:02.01 | foxlit | Cloudwolf: I would. But then again, I'm hopelessly optimistic |
| 20:02.02 | Cloudwolf | even if its not its a perfect illustration of how FoF is a security breach |
| 20:02.04 | Thrae | alestane: Haha. No Linux techs + people using Fedora is funny. |
| 20:02.14 | Dagmar | The security model worked, because the users NOTICED there was a problem. |
| 20:02.17 | Fisker | Dagmar security breaches are usually caused by bugs |
| 20:02.17 | alestane | But the best part is that the event was the "JBoss World Summit presented by Red Hat." |
| 20:02.26 | Fisker | lol. |
| 20:02.52 | Fisker | Blizzard's security model Incoming message -> /dev/random -> outgoing message |
| 20:02.53 | Fisker | GENIUS |
| 20:02.58 | Dagmar | Cloudwolf: This wasn't a FoF issue |
| 20:02.58 | Thrae | Dagmar: Yes, a bug caused a security or trust breach. |
| 20:03.00 | Fisker | the system works |
| 20:03.05 | Dagmar | Not a trust breach. |
| 20:03.28 | Cloudwolf | Dagmar then tell me what that illustrates? |
| 20:03.58 | Dagmar | cloudold: db corruption, possible hash collision or more likely broken hash implementation |
| 20:04.11 | NeoTron | the friend of friend thing is naive |
| 20:04.16 | NeoTron | to think that it's a good idea |
| 20:04.17 | Dagmar | Without knowing WTF went wrong it's still just a *bug* and not a repeatable thing |
| 20:04.22 | NeoTron | in any way, shape or form |
| 20:04.42 | Dagmar | But hey, one thing is for sure, it's fodder for fools to act like they know something about security. |
| 20:04.46 | Dagmar | Let's blame everything on security. |
| 20:04.58 | Cloudwolf | dagmar im talking about the forum post not the friend adding glitch |
| 20:05.20 | Dagmar | After all, one of the three aspects of security is availability and if the servers go down OH MY GOD BLIZZARD HAS A SECURITY BREACH EVERY WEEK ALMOST! |
| 20:05.31 | Thrae | Dagmar: If there's a hole in a dam that's a "breach" of the dam in the literal sense of the word, right? And just because there's a hole in the dam that's no indication that the dam will get more holes. |
| 20:05.35 | Mihau | Dagmar: I am able to send a Real ID friend request to myself. So broken. D: |
| 20:05.57 | Dagmar | Mihau: Just get an x-acto knife and cut like everyone else man. |
| 20:06.16 | Fisker | Dagmar that statement just showed you just looked up the relevant wikipedia article and pretended like you knew shit |
| 20:06.21 | Fisker | this discussion is over. |
| 20:06.36 | Dagmar | Fisker: No it says I spent a few weeks in 2000 getting a CISSP |
| 20:06.43 | alestane | Fnny, Mihau, one of my firends tried that last night and it denied him. |
| 20:06.56 | Dagmar | First one to claim I'm using credentials as a weapon has sex with donkeys. |
| 20:07.08 | Mihau | alestane: My guess is because of the screwy WoW accounts I have merged into one Battle.net account. |
| 20:07.17 | Mihau | It does fail on accepting it though. |
| 20:07.50 | Mihau | Be right back. |
| 20:08.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: you're using your credentials to have sex with donkeys! |
| 20:08.28 | Dagmar | Thrae: When you can both 1) replicate the situation and 2) control who it goes to, _then_ maybe it's a "breach". Until that point it's just a freaking bug man. |
| 20:09.09 | Fisker | can i subscribe to your weekly issue of hurrdurr? |
| 20:09.13 | Dagmar | Cloudwofl: ATM my money's on DB corruption of some kind tho |
| 20:09.20 | NeoTron | Mihau: does the world explode if you accept yourself as a real friend? |
| 20:09.23 | Thunder_Child | ~moo |
| 20:09.23 | purl | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 20:09.26 | Dagmar | wow... bad acronym timing. "at the moment" |
| 20:10.17 | Cloudwolf | neotron i can't it says you cant add yourself as a friend |
| 20:10.27 | Cloudwolf | that was the first thing i tried especialy since i wanted to see what info is provided |
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| 20:10.55 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron: i have a friend who has a friend that has two accounts and my friend uses one, but they both have his friends name....so they can friend each other, with the same name. |
| 20:11.14 | MoonWitch | how do you do the last seen thing again? |
| 20:11.16 | Lopeppeppy | "Farmer Brown, he's on crack..." *hums a tune* |
| 20:11.27 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen MoonWitch |
| 20:11.28 | purl | moonwitch is currently on #wowuidev (6h 27m 36s) #wowace (6h 27m 36s). Has said a total of 25 messages. Is idling for 14s, last said: 'how do you do the last seen thing again?'. |
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| 20:11.38 | MoonWitch | ~seen Cairenn |
| 20:11.38 | purl | cairenn <~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2h 8m 58s ago, saying: 'Ackis: yes! Did you?'. |
| 20:11.39 | alestane | Oh gods, Peppy, you had to bring that up. |
| 20:11.52 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: the cow in S&M gear has been burned into my brain |
| 20:12.02 | MoonWitch | thanks Lopeppeppy :) |
| 20:12.03 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry guys. *weg* |
| 20:12.06 | MoonWitch | cow sm gear? |
| 20:12.10 | MoonWitch | link? |
| 20:12.20 | MoonWitch | I'm shopping for a leather corset |
| 20:12.31 | Thunder_Child | MoonWitch: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/cow |
| 20:12.43 | Lopeppeppy | NSFW, in a huge way. :) |
| 20:12.55 | MoonWitch | not at work for the next month or so :D |
| 20:13.12 | Thunder_Child | actually, i think it is all safe...i dont remember any swearing |
| 20:13.16 | Thunder_Child | or nudity |
| 20:13.41 | Lopeppeppy | Most HR people wouldn't agree, TC. |
| 20:13.42 | alestane | I still wouldn't call it workplace-friendly. |
| 20:14.07 | MoonWitch | what the hell |
| 20:14.13 | MoonWitch | funny but wtf??? |
| 20:14.20 | Lopeppeppy | Very WTF |
| 20:14.37 | MoonWitch | ....... |
| 20:14.42 | Lopeppeppy | Cows with Guns is also very nice. |
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| 20:15.16 | MoonWitch | i have to admit -- the artist (cough) has to have some sm knowledge to get the outfits right |
| 20:15.36 | Thunder_Child | or just browse a website |
| 20:15.39 | Dagmar | ...or yeah, that |
| 20:15.41 | Lopeppeppy | Google it baby. |
| 20:15.48 | Dagmar | There's plenny websites of that nature |
| 20:16.03 | MoonWitch | I know |
| 20:16.21 | MoonWitch | extremerestraints.com is probably one of the decent ones |
| 20:16.29 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 20:16.49 | Fisker | so Thunder_Child |
| 20:16.52 | Fisker | did you watch futurama? |
| 20:16.56 | Dagmar | Yeah, um... that gave a few things away there. Heheh |
| 20:17.16 | MoonWitch | Dagmar -- I know my way around the world |
| 20:17.21 | MoonWitch | and have friends in weird places |
| 20:17.26 | MoonWitch | and some in low places |
| 20:17.34 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: no, i prefer to see a season at a time |
| 20:17.42 | Fisker | wat. |
| 20:17.55 | Fisker | then i will spoil you Thunder_Child |
| 20:17.57 | Fisker | thanks a lot jerk |
| 20:18.09 | Dagmar | I've got a lot of freaky friends, but... one thing I don't have is a working knowledge of SM websites or enough experience with them to hazard whether or not one is "decent". |
| 20:18.25 | Dagmar | ...not like I'm holding it against you that you do tho. Heh |
| 20:18.29 | Dagmar | Woohoo! |
| 20:18.37 | MoonWitch | I learned a great deal from a sub girl I know :) |
| 20:18.55 | MoonWitch | which is also why my name generally is capitalized :P |
| 20:19.04 | MoonWitch | brb going to tuck my baby sister in |
| 20:19.30 | Fisker | singularity tiem |
| 20:20.06 | Dagmar | MoonWitch: Heheh... I know that one... NOW anyway... Long after I was dating a girl with a lowercase name. *facepalm* |
| 20:20.27 | Dagmar | ...although there's this chick on Craigslist who is entirely too young for me that I damn near tried to pick up anyway |
| 20:20.32 | Dagmar | It would be unfair. |
| 20:20.49 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 20:21.08 | DJJeff | sneezes in MoonWitch's face |
| 20:21.21 | DJJeff | follows MoonWitch into a dark avenue. Hey test my crowbar! |
| 20:21.51 | DJJeff | sersiouly why would you link extremerestraints.com in here X_X |
| 20:22.05 | Alram | threathens DJJeff with DDOS |
| 20:22.13 | Alram | oh wait you already did that once nvm :. |
| 20:22.14 | Thunder_Child | not that unusual |
| 20:22.36 | Thunder_Child | we once had a discussion of butt plugs in here with supporting evidance |
| 20:22.40 | MoonWitch | also, we were talking about s&m ... the name of the link itself implies NSFW all over it. |
| 20:22.45 | DJJeff | Alram you have already DDoS me? |
| 20:22.47 | DJJeff | and |
| 20:22.51 | DJJeff | you have been reported |
| 20:22.56 | DJJeff | for threatning to DDoS |
| 20:22.57 | zenzelezz | MoonWitch: doesn't matter if it implies it, use NSFW tags |
| 20:23.03 | NightHawkTheSane | what, you're back? are the servers down or something? |
| 20:23.08 | MoonWitch | alrighty |
| 20:23.18 | zenzelezz | MoonWitch: (this is something Cairenn would tell you too) |
| 20:23.22 | Alram | DJJeff, you're trolling is useless since that visit you made to "that" channel a long time ago |
| 20:23.38 | DJJeff | Alram I am not here to troll |
| 20:23.39 | Thunder_Child | huh, where is teh watch of teh channel? |
| 20:23.41 | MoonWitch | and DJJeff if you have such issues with how we are, what we say, seriously ... |
| 20:23.43 | DJJeff | you however are |
| 20:23.46 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: So many people beat the Lich King on 25% the servers declared the "game won" and started a credit sequence on their local monitors. |
| 20:24.09 | MoonWitch | zenzeless : alrighty is my way of saying "I'll remember to do it next time :)" |
| 20:24.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: hah. See, I'd believe that if i thought that more than a third of the player base could manage that :P |
| 20:24.29 | Dagmar | MoonWitch: So tempting http://nashville.craigslist.org/w4m/1796240720.html |
| 20:24.31 | zenzelezz | MoonWitch: :) |
| 20:24.51 | MoonWitch | Dagmar: that first pic, I love that top |
| 20:25.11 | NightHawkTheSane | you people need to stop linking me to thinks i shouldn't be reading at work. :P |
| 20:25.13 | mikma | http://www.rgbpicture.com/cool-face-painting |
| 20:25.43 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: right, like we are focing you to clicky teh links |
| 20:25.48 | Thunder_Child | forcing* |
| 20:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: you are! |
| 20:26.23 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: i mean other than me |
| 20:26.33 | Arrowmaster | ah i was thinking i missed something good in here but it was just a general link |
| 20:26.42 | Thrae | Dagmar: OK, you know, we can disagree about a lot or everything about Real ID. However... |
| 20:26.48 | Thrae | Dagmar: "Show Toast Window"? |
| 20:27.12 | alestane | That's the window that pops up to tell you someone came online. |
| 20:27.32 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: the worst part of that discussion you mentioned was who was discussing it |
| 20:27.51 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: really, that was the *worst* part? |
| 20:27.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Gotai (~Gotai@ip54546435.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) |
| 20:28.14 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 20:28.17 | Thunder_Child | the really amusing this is that it started in another channel and worked it's way over here |
| 20:28.33 | MoonWitch | which channel |
| 20:28.37 | Thrae | alestane: I know. I'm belitting not their internal use of the name, but their *external* use of it to the client users. A) Why isn't it "Hide Toast Window" if it's enabled by default, and B) Really, "Toast Window"? |
| 20:28.49 | Thunder_Child | it was the warhammer mmo version of this channel |
| 20:29.00 | MoonWitch | ah I don't play that game |
| 20:29.04 | MoonWitch | so .. sorry |
| 20:29.11 | Thunder_Child | neither does anyone else |
| 20:29.42 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Yes, tempting. And as long as she's over the age of consent, and you can deal with her daddy issues, you should give it a ride. |
| 20:30.02 | MoonWitch | @zenzeless If you see me blatantly break rules, please tell me -- I fear Cairenn's wrath more than anyone elses :P |
| 20:30.22 | NightHawkTheSane | MoonWitch: rightly so, women are crazy! :P |
| 20:30.30 | Thrae | MoonWitch: I thought you and Cairenn were "pr0n-sharing buddies"? |
| 20:30.31 | MoonWitch | *is* a woman |
| 20:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | MoonWitch: so you know what i mean! :) |
| 20:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | eyes NHTS up and down carefully. |
| 20:30.53 | MoonWitch | Thrae: damn right we are.. But still - rules apply for everyone, even pr0n sharing ppl |
| 20:31.09 | Thrae | So what happened with #waruidev? |
| 20:31.17 | Thunder_Child | now now laides, NightHawkTheSane is correct |
| 20:31.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it died with war? |
| 20:31.41 | Thunder_Child | i dont think anyone was in there anymore |
| 20:31.52 | Lunessa | Yeah, please use NSFW tags so I know exactly how much risk I'm taking by link clicking. |
| 20:31.56 | Lopeppeppy | Correct does not preclude murdered. |
| 20:32.00 | Thrae | I'm in there. But no one has talked in there for ages. Except me, when I just messed up a command. |
| 20:32.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: i have the sinking suspicion we're both going to be killed.. |
| 20:32.33 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: we have to die some time, might as well go out enjoying ourselvs |
| 20:32.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: it's okay to be crazy, though! because for some unfathomable reason, we seem to like that. |
| 20:32.51 | Lunessa | snorgles Lopeppeppy. |
| 20:32.59 | mikma | is there any way of detecting who puts Train Set down? |
| 20:33.05 | alestane | Snorgling sounds like something messy. |
| 20:33.06 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: yes |
| 20:33.13 | Thrae | mikma: I believe there's an emote. |
| 20:33.47 | Lopeppeppy | is successfully distracted |
| 20:34.05 | Thrae | Lopeppeppy: boobies. |
| 20:34.34 | Cide | everyone else is successfully distracted |
| 20:34.58 | alestane | Sounds like a cross between snuggling and snorfing ("That little game waitresses love to play by waiting until your mouth is full before sneaking up and asking "And how is everything tonight?"). |
| 20:35.22 | MoonWitch | my mind is slightly overdrive now |
| 20:35.23 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: is that what that's called? I thought it was just sadism :P |
| 20:35.23 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 20:35.28 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 20:35.44 | alestane | It was in a collection of Sniglets years ago, NHtS. |
| 20:36.41 | alestane | Sniglet: (n) Any word that isn't in the dictionary, but should be. |
| 20:37.05 | NightHawkTheSane | (yeah, i googled that) |
| 20:37.13 | Cide | the question is |
| 20:37.19 | Cide | is "sniglet" a sniglet? |
| 20:37.23 | NightHawkTheSane | obviously |
| 20:37.26 | foxlit | the answer is No. |
| 20:37.28 | Cide | not obvious! |
| 20:37.41 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE not obvious |
| 20:38.16 | mikma | thrae: there's no emote :P |
| 20:38.31 | Alram | Fisker, why do i not have you on steam |
| 20:38.35 | Alram | what is this |
| 20:39.05 | alestane | It's in one of the books too, Cide. |
| 20:41.08 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: check out how this addon does it? http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/train-whistle.aspx |
| 20:41.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@68-191-37-155.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 20:41.50 | Amarande | yay, 3.3.5 is the awesome |
| 20:41.55 | Amarande | ... time to see what broke, though |
| 20:41.58 | Amarande | last night was hell :| |
| 20:42.14 | Cloudwolf | update yoru virtualpaltes |
| 20:42.15 | Cloudwolf | it broke |
| 20:42.21 | Cloudwolf | avr is dead in the water |
| 20:43.05 | Adys | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/youtube-wins-case-against-viacom.html |
| 20:43.13 | Alram | YES |
| 20:43.14 | Fisker | awesome |
| 20:43.16 | Fisker | i just came |
| 20:43.19 | Alram | A++ youtub |
| 20:43.31 | Cide | yes! |
| 20:43.33 | Cide | ~youtube++ |
| 20:43.50 | Alram | This is a great victory for the internets |
| 20:44.00 | Alram | Fisker, let's have a celebrity shag! |
| 20:44.25 | Cloudwolf | uhm... soo what does that mean youtube can host copyrighted material? |
| 20:44.30 | Cide | ~viacom-- |
| 20:44.33 | Amarande | Cloudwolf: heh, I never used AVR |
| 20:44.42 | Cide | Cloudwolf, yes and no |
| 20:44.49 | Amarande | on the other hand, I did use Bazooka, and the new version of Bazooka that works didn't come down to Curse Client till today |
| 20:44.52 | Cide | it means people can upload copyrighted material and it isn't youtube's fault |
| 20:45.02 | Cide | as long as youtube takes it down when the copyright holder asks them to |
| 20:45.07 | Cloudwolf | sounds like youtube will relax on its ruels then |
| 20:45.12 | Cide | why would it? |
| 20:45.16 | Cloudwolf | meh nvm |
| 20:45.29 | durcyn | they're still cooperating with takedown requests. |
| 20:45.34 | Cide | if they removed their automatic systems for copyright infringement detection that would seem like they're NOT cooperating |
| 20:45.36 | Cloudwolf | i understand that |
| 20:45.39 | Cide | by making it more difficult |
| 20:47.52 | DJJeff | Arrowmaster: what changes did fubar just get besides TOC update? |
| 20:48.17 | nevcairiel | not even a toc update, iirc |
| 20:48.24 | nevcairiel | just a bump for a new library |
| 20:48.39 | Amarande | wtf, how did fubar end up okay, while bazooka was out of order until the new version came to curse client today? |
| 20:48.49 | Thunder_Child | stabs wow repeatedly |
| 20:49.03 | Amarande | last night when I logged on none of my LDB addons showed up, the bazooka bar was blank and I had a swatter box complaining about libjostle or somesuch |
| 20:49.23 | Arrowmaster | because nothing was wrong with bazooka either |
| 20:49.24 | alestane | ...wondering why my thumb drive doesn't load, after I plugged it into a completely different computer that isn't even turned on. |
| 20:49.25 | nevcairiel | thats the same lib that fubar was re-packaged for =P |
| 20:49.35 | Amarande | heh, wonder what broke in libjostle |
| 20:49.40 | nevcairiel | easy |
| 20:49.42 | Lopeppeppy | Welcome to the fun of updates. |
| 20:49.44 | Amarande | some sort of collateral damage to what was necessary to break avr, I wonder? |
| 20:49.46 | nevcairiel | they renamed frames that it touched |
| 20:50.14 | Arrowmaster | was a function actually |
| 20:50.14 | DJJeff | Fubar changelog says the TOC was updated |
| 20:50.17 | Arrowmaster | one of the FCF ones |
| 20:50.26 | Arrowmaster | DJJeff: changelog is wrong |
| 20:50.33 | nevcairiel | the avr breakage will have no real impact on stuff, addons that try to mess with camera positions are usually pretty weird anyway |
| 20:50.37 | Arrowmaster | since nothing was changed between tags |
| 20:50.50 | MoonWitch | stupid question |
| 20:51.08 | MoonWitch | how do you greet anonymously in an away message? |
| 20:51.14 | MoonWitch | (in english of course) |
| 20:51.38 | MoonWitch | ya can't say " Dear" |
| 20:51.44 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: Don't use a name, something like "Hi" or "Hello" |
| 20:52.04 | alestane | You want an anonymous pronoun? |
| 20:52.09 | Lunessa | "Hello, I'm away. Don't bother me. I need my pr0n time to be 'me time.'" |
| 20:52.10 | Arrowmaster | or just "Greetings" |
| 20:52.11 | MoonWitch | to greet |
| 20:52.22 | MoonWitch | it's an away message |
| 20:52.28 | Amarande | "Yo" maybe? :) |
| 20:52.38 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Lunessa, MoonWitch seems to do that reather....publicly |
| 20:52.43 | nevcairiel | If i were at work now, i would check our template |
| 20:52.44 | MoonWitch | cuz the french idiots at work didn't grasp the "I'll be gone for a month, don't mail me anymore with crap" |
| 20:52.44 | Thunder_Child | rather* |
| 20:52.45 | nevcairiel | but meh :) |
| 20:53.06 | MoonWitch | got 10 mails for resellers from 1 damn day away time |
| 20:53.07 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 20:53.32 | nevcairiel | You'll still get the mails, they'll just be notified that you are not there :D |
| 20:53.36 | Lunessa | Greetings Starfighter! You have been chosen to defend the Frontier against Zuur and the Kodan Armada. |
| 20:53.38 | MoonWitch | yes |
| 20:53.40 | Amarande | "Yo G, I'm not here right now, so tangle with the other homies dude" |
| 20:53.44 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 20:55.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i'm totally using that as an away message now |
| 20:55.53 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Royalty free even. :P |
| 20:55.56 | Fisker | Antiarc |
| 20:55.57 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 20:55.58 | Fisker | i came |
| 20:56.19 | MoonWitch | Hello, |
| 20:56.20 | MoonWitch | I'm currently not in the office, so I will not be personally replying to mails. In case of a reseller emergency, please forward the message to retail.reseller@be.pandasecurity.com and my colleagues will do their utmost best to assist you. |
| 20:56.20 | MoonWitch | For homeusers, the message can be forwarded to retail.support@be.pandasecurity.com. |
| 20:56.20 | MoonWitch | If you're contacting me for a message regarding a case I am working on, you can send a message to my colleagues privately as well. |
| 20:56.20 | MoonWitch | Thank you and kind regards, |
| 20:56.21 | MoonWitch | Kelly Crabbé |
| 20:56.21 | MoonWitch | Technical Support Engineer |
| 20:56.22 | MoonWitch | Panda Security Benelux |
| 20:56.26 | MoonWitch | what ya think |
| 20:56.49 | Amarande | Moon: you're from the company that makes Panda Antivirus? :| |
| 20:56.55 | MoonWitch | yes |
| 20:56.58 | Amarande | oy |
| 20:57.01 | MoonWitch | I know |
| 20:57.04 | MoonWitch | NSS Labs |
| 20:57.07 | Amarande | I'm not sure whether I should like or hate you then :P |
| 20:57.11 | foxlit | So they managed to get the probability of getting the holiday pet to 46% |
| 20:57.11 | alestane | That seems like a perfectly reasonable away message. |
| 20:57.15 | Amarande | because I bought your company's product a couple years ago and it was made of fail :| |
| 20:57.22 | MoonWitch | it's a job -- |
| 20:57.24 | NightHawkTheSane | MoonWitch: looks fine to me. |
| 20:57.27 | Amarande | I went back to AVG like, just a couple weeks later lol |
| 20:57.28 | MoonWitch | I know it's made of fail |
| 20:57.29 | foxlit | er, 52 |
| 20:57.33 | MoonWitch | I support it daily :( |
| 20:57.38 | foxlit | Which isn't bad, but kind of not encouraging either. |
| 20:57.42 | Amarande | Hey, on the good side though |
| 20:57.45 | Amarande | you're not as bad as Trend :) |
| 20:58.01 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: eh? |
| 20:58.03 | Amarande | I had to ditch Trend when I bought an ATI video card and it insisted the Catalyst Control Center was a keylogger :| |
| 20:58.16 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: midsummer non-combat pet drop |
| 20:58.23 | MoonWitch | great stuff |
| 20:58.29 | MoonWitch | my boss is still assigning cases to me |
| 20:58.31 | MoonWitch | lolol |
| 20:58.33 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah, i get that. are you saying the chance for it to drop from the bag is 52%? |
| 20:58.48 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: no. I'm saying that your chance to get one if you do everything in your power is 52%. |
| 20:58.57 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: oh. |
| 20:59.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 20:59.15 | Lunessa | This pet, it's the scorchling? |
| 20:59.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: no, new one. |
| 20:59.27 | foxlit | Lunessa: no, they replaced it with a new one this year. |
| 20:59.33 | Lunessa | Holy crap. |
| 20:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | yep. |
| 20:59.39 | Lunessa | What is it this year? |
| 20:59.45 | MoonWitch | anyhow, thanks for the input there :D |
| 20:59.47 | NightHawkTheSane | little rock/ice elemental |
| 20:59.48 | foxlit | tiny frost elemental |
| 20:59.49 | malreth | some frost pet thing |
| 20:59.55 | Lunessa | MUST GET IT |
| 20:59.58 | NightHawkTheSane | (looks like a white rock elemental) |
| 21:00.00 | malreth | the mini-ragnaros is better |
| 21:00.01 | MoonWitch | yeah me too |
| 21:00.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, my nigh-insatable lust for minipets is stirred.. |
| 21:00.09 | malreth | IMO, of course |
| 21:00.14 | Lunessa | I have the scorchling. |
| 21:00.16 | foxlit | I was counting the drop rate as 5%, wowhead has it as 3% |
| 21:00.37 | Lunessa | But as a shaman, mini-elemental pets = FUCKING WIN |
| 21:00.42 | foxlit | which would bring the chance down to 35% |
| 21:01.18 | foxlit | And if you don't have it by now, it's 31%. |
| 21:01.27 | NightHawkTheSane | >< |
| 21:02.06 | malreth | i got the frostscythe twice now... i wonder what the chances of that happening are |
| 21:02.23 | foxlit | 7% drop? |
| 21:02.27 | foxlit | In 3/4 bags? |
| 21:02.32 | malreth | 2/2 bags |
| 21:02.46 | foxlit | Oh, that's easy. |
| 21:02.48 | foxlit | 7%^2 |
| 21:02.56 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED + SPELL_CAST_START + 61031 |
| 21:03.01 | malreth | wrong... 100% since it has already happened. BWAH! |
| 21:03.24 | foxlit | note that you said "happening" |
| 21:03.33 | malreth | no i didn't |
| 21:04.05 | malreth | IM A BUSY MAN I DONT HAVE TIME FOR THIS JIBBER JABBER |
| 21:04.37 | Alram | Don't be making fun of Mr. T. |
| 21:05.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (~chatzilla@ool-44c20717.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:07.04 | Kraps | hey hey |
| 21:07.10 | Kraps | ho ho |
| 21:07.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 21:07.20 | malreth | helps Kraps raise the roof |
| 21:07.33 | Kraps | something something gotta go |
| 21:09.59 | foxlit | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25134713303&sid=1 << this is kind of meh |
| 21:10.09 | foxlit | Why do they need a client side patch to alter a loot table? |
| 21:12.30 | Amarande | foxlit: maybe it's to help along things like atlasloot that they know are popular? |
| 21:12.54 | foxlit | You're mad. |
| 21:13.11 | Lunessa | Didn't you know? Malreth IS Mr. T |
| 21:13.20 | Lopeppeppy | And a very hot Mr. T |
| 21:13.50 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 21:14.10 | Amarande | foxlit: why yes, I'm mad |
| 21:14.26 | Amarande | although the mind-storms seem to be decreasing a little in frequency compared to the last few days |
| 21:14.32 | Amarande | sadly, not too much in severity yet though :| |
| 21:15.57 | malreth | First name Mr, middle name period, last name T! |
| 21:15.57 | *** join/#wowuidev smcn (smcn@c-174-52-104-121.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:15.57 | nicoli_s | yay we now have curse themed post-it notes! |
| 21:16.08 | MoonWitch | gah I can't seem to think of what I am forgetting |
| 21:16.30 | Amarande | Moon: something important or something you were afraid of? |
| 21:16.35 | Amarande | oh wait, you can never seem to forget the latter :P |
| 21:16.53 | MoonWitch | important |
| 21:17.12 | Amarande | did you forget you were supposed to run panda and not avg on your company laptop? :) |
| 21:17.20 | MoonWitch | no |
| 21:17.27 | MoonWitch | we have a corp panda on there |
| 21:17.34 | MoonWitch | no rights to even shut it off |
| 21:17.37 | MoonWitch | we can uninstall it |
| 21:17.46 | MoonWitch | but then we get these strange issues |
| 21:17.51 | MoonWitch | like a boss turning red and all |
| 21:17.56 | Cloudwolf | panda? it any good for anti virus? |
| 21:18.00 | MoonWitch | nop |
| 21:18.04 | Cloudwolf | lol k |
| 21:18.08 | MoonWitch | well our cloud version is decent |
| 21:18.24 | Amarande | Cloud: in my experience, it has similar issues to Trend |
| 21:18.24 | MoonWitch | cloudantivirus.com |
| 21:18.29 | Amarande | namely, a relatively high false alarm rate :| |
| 21:18.36 | Amarande | and a stifling Internet Security paradigm |
| 21:18.45 | MoonWitch | the false one yes |
| 21:18.48 | MoonWitch | the other no clue |
| 21:18.56 | MoonWitch | I voiced those concerns and got shot down |
| 21:18.59 | MoonWitch | so I just shut up |
| 21:19.01 | Amarande | although the latter was probably out of tending to run games full screen |
| 21:19.08 | MoonWitch | during office hours -- panda's the bomb |
| 21:19.14 | Amarande | and then having issues because panda apparently whines about outbound connections as well as inbound |
| 21:19.30 | MoonWitch | panda cloud doesn't have a firewall |
| 21:19.34 | Amarande | and by the time I could manage to alt-tab back to the desktop to confirm the AYS and then go back to the game, the game wasn't working properly because it assumed the internet was down |
| 21:20.04 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: could be a deeper bug with some data in the client getting munged? |
| 21:20.12 | Amarande | I use ms firewall now, which only whines about stuff wanting to allow incoming |
| 21:20.20 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: not that i have any idea how that would even work. |
| 21:20.31 | MoonWitch | i use malware bytes right now |
| 21:20.36 | MoonWitch | pretty happy with it too |
| 21:20.39 | Amarande | and as for avg, the only false alarm I've gotten from it of any real significance was the time when it had a bad DB at the same time NWN2 1.11 I think it was came out |
| 21:20.46 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: it'd have to be a very weird looting design if it was anything other than the server telling the client item ids of stuff that dropped |
| 21:20.51 | Amarande | if you had AVG at the time NWN2 1.11 was new, it would nom your nwmain.exe |
| 21:20.55 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5570097/e3s-missed-connections-in-search-of-helghast-hunks--soft-star-wars-girl-hands |
| 21:21.08 | Amarande | it would claim 'a virus has been found and automatically healed' :P |
| 21:21.18 | Amarande | aka, 'your nwmain.exe is now hopelessly and irrevocably corrupted, have a nice day' :| |
| 21:22.23 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah, i know, but that's the only thing i could come up with :P |
| 21:25.50 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar (~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 21:25.50 | Fisker | singularity sucks fucking ass |
| 21:26.09 | cog|work | you suck your mom's fucking ass |
| 21:26.16 | Fisker | after 5-10 minutes i'm left with only a pistol |
| 21:26.18 | Lunessa | the Microsoft Home Security product doesn't suck. Coupled with MalwareBytes and the occasional use of Trend's free scanner I feel pretty comfortable. |
| 21:26.18 | Fisker | 30 shots |
| 21:26.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Random (~Denial@unaffiliated/windaria) |
| 21:26.34 | Fisker | immediately after that i'm pitted against groups of 4 teleporting mobs throwing barrels at me |
| 21:26.37 | Fisker | (exploding barrels) |
| 21:26.37 | sylvanaar | Lunessa: it was a total surprise |
| 21:26.57 | Fisker | so 6 medkits and 30 shots later i'm left with 1 hp bar |
| 21:27.03 | Lunessa | sylvanaar: I expected it to royally suck. I was happy that it didn't. |
| 21:27.08 | Fisker | and i never get a weapon |
| 21:27.12 | Fisker | and i never get ammo for the gun |
| 21:27.30 | sylvanaar | Lunessa: same |
| 21:27.38 | Fisker | and the only other thing i can use is that time manipulation device that allows me to kill 2 people before running out of juice which is awesome considering you're being flanked by 5 people |
| 21:28.02 | Cide | sounds like someone is bad |
| 21:28.20 | Dagmar | I prefer to slap in Comodo, but the biggest issue there is that you wind up seeing a lot of dinky little changes MS makes to the filesystem because Comodo brings things full stop to ask you about them |
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| 21:28.27 | Fisker | sounds like Q&A ran through the game with god and impulse 101 Cide |
| 21:28.34 | Dagmar | This is LOADS of fun when one or more of these changes involves a modal dialog box. |
| 21:28.34 | Cide | sure |
| 21:28.49 | Fisker | i will fuck you in the butt Cide |
| 21:28.51 | Cide | I bet everyone who plays it dies after 10 minutes and never plays it again |
| 21:28.55 | Cide | oh wait that's you and only you |
| 21:28.58 | Kraps | herp derp flash crashed |
| 21:29.02 | Lunessa | People who make extensive use of Modals should be shot |
| 21:29.04 | Dagmar | Can't click accept on Comodo's dialog box because MS is busy telling me it can't update the file |
| 21:29.11 | Fisker | Cide probably because i'm the only one that have played it sofar |
| 21:29.16 | Amarande | fisker: sounds like you need a better game |
| 21:29.19 | Amarande | maybe daikatana |
| 21:29.21 | Amarande | heh |
| 21:29.23 | Dagmar | Beyond that the only other issue is MASSIVE. |
| 21:29.51 | Dagmar | If you are naughty and powerkill the box while Comodo is updating it's database, you can actually wind up with no more permissions database (when you use it in whitelist mode) |
| 21:30.09 | Dagmar | Soo... on your next reboot, you're still allowed to right click *some* things. |
| 21:30.38 | Dagmar | ...and I mean *only* right click them. You're not allowed to start any programs or actually do much more than push icons around the desktop. |
| 21:31.16 | Dagmar | Gotta reboot to safe mode, uninstall the damn thing and reinstall it. I don't know if they've yet fixed that because I am no longer so casual about saying "Just f**king shut down already!" and killing the power |
| 21:31.24 | Kraps | http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/careers/directory.html |
| 21:31.30 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.42 | Kraps | but there is no ! |
| 21:31.59 | NightHawkTheSane | so none of those are particularly critical. |
| 21:32.02 | NightHawkTheSane | *GASPS* |
| 21:32.07 | Kraps | lol |
| 21:32.11 | foxlit | Kraps: I particularly like the "Company Nurse" position |
| 21:32.21 | Kraps | the us has some ! |
| 21:32.35 | foxlit | Kind of meh, though |
| 21:32.40 | foxlit | There's basically no development in europe |
| 21:32.47 | foxlit | It's all CSR. |
| 21:32.48 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: heh, that is amusing |
| 21:32.53 | Cide | I thought this was funny |
| 21:32.58 | foxlit | [There is a european web team, though] |
| 21:33.02 | Cide | Public Relations: Specialist, Internal Communications |
| 21:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: is that surprising, though? |
| 21:33.16 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: No. But one would wish it wasn't so. |
| 21:33.35 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: Yeah, but I imagine splitting their dev team like that would suck |
| 21:33.41 | Kraps | Account and Technical Services Representative -- Portuguese Language is a critical job |
| 21:34.25 | Ackis | will apply for the Canadian localization expert duder... when they get one. |
| 21:34.42 | foxlit | Ackis plans to append "...eh" to every quest description. |
| 21:35.17 | Ackis | what aboot it eh? |
| 21:35.49 | NightHawkTheSane | don't mind him, he's a hoser, eh? |
| 21:36.25 | Gintaro | There goes one canadian |
| 21:36.25 | Kraps | why are there so many open jobs, especially "senior" ones? |
| 21:36.39 | foxlit | Kraps: large teams |
| 21:36.55 | Lunessa | "Here, go to the place, eh, and kill these hosers. Then bring me a Molsen and a jelly donut, eh?" |
| 21:37.16 | Gintaro | The time is 23:37! |
| 21:37.24 | Gintaro | Otherwise known as To Eat |
| 21:37.26 | foxlit | That's 10 more than 13:37 |
| 21:37.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: now i want to watch strange brew |
| 21:37.52 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 21:37.53 | Lunessa | My work here is done. |
| 21:37.59 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 21:38.00 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 21:38.26 | foxlit | Helios didn't get a new splash screen :/ |
| 21:38.33 | foxlit | I am disappointed :( |
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| 21:43.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, the latest ie9 preview looks promising |
| 21:43.44 | Fisker | so lets gope that google also f RIAA, MPAA, etc. in the a, amirite? |
| 21:43.59 | Fisker | naw |
| 21:44.39 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: ie9 as in Internet Explorer? |
| 21:44.50 | Fisker | durr? |
| 21:45.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 21:45.12 | Hirsute | I just can't imagine pairing "promising" with any incarnation of Internet Explorer. |
| 21:45.26 | Fisker | because you're a failure troll |
| 21:45.39 | Hirsute | Not really trolling here. |
| 21:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | until recently i'd agree, but ie9 really does look like it might be good. |
| 21:45.50 | Hirsute | Interesting. |
| 21:45.52 | NightHawkTheSane | as far as standards are concerned, at least. |
| 21:45.53 | Fisker | of course you are Hirsute |
| 21:45.54 | Hirsute | I might have to peek at it. |
| 21:46.24 | Fisker | always bet on duke NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:47.06 | Hirsute | Fisker: We must have different definitions of "troll" |
| 21:48.42 | Dagmar | They're going to have to start doing something properly soon, or wearing an MS badge at web developer conferences is going to be like wearing a "KICK ME" sign |
| 21:49.07 | Dagmar | ...and by "properly" I mean something more meaningful than a 'pick-and-choose' collection of ACID testsd. |
| 21:49.24 | Fisker | Hirsute of course |
| 21:49.36 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: That is interesting. IE's historic failures in the standards area are one of the primary reasons I dislike it so much. |
| 21:50.07 | Fisker | the thing just is that my definition conforms to reality, yours doesn't. |
| 21:50.21 | Hirsute | ... |
| 21:50.27 | Hirsute | right. |
| 21:50.38 | Hirsute | Well, have fun with the trolling! |
| 21:50.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah, they're not there yet, and they kind of need to pick up the pace, but at least they're moving in the right direction |
| 21:50.59 | Fisker | i'm already done Hirsute |
| 21:51.06 | Fisker | wipes |
| 21:51.09 | Fisker | goodnight |
| 21:51.11 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 21:53.04 | DJJeff | ~seen pazza |
| 21:53.06 | purl | pazza <~Pazza@152.179.30.150> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 124d 1h 27m 21s ago, saying: 'Anyone ever figure out the tainting source of the blocked ui actions ending with SearchLFGLeave()? A google search shows hits for several addons but no documented findings.'. |
| 21:53.34 | DJJeff | purl is wrong I saw pazza here last week X_X |
| 21:54.33 | zenzelezz | DJJeff: my logs don't show any pazza in here for a long time |
| 21:54.53 | Amarande | so apparently a pair of blizzcon tix is like 1600 bucks on ebay now |
| 21:54.54 | Amarande | wtf. |
| 21:55.04 | Amarande | that's more than yankees-sox tix :| |
| 21:55.05 | Lopeppeppy | could have been pazza_ |
| 21:55.14 | Lopeppeppy | Etc. |
| 21:55.19 | Shadowed | huh? |
| 21:55.21 | Shadowed | http://cgi.ebay.com/1-2010-BLIZZCON-TICKET-GOODIE-BAG-YOUR-NAME-/290447083699?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&hash=item439ffec8b3 |
| 21:55.21 | Dagmar | Amarande: Not enough vigilante killings |
| 21:55.22 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: nah, I only grepped for "pazza", so it would've matched |
| 21:55.31 | Lopeppeppy | Grep is god. |
| 21:55.32 | Amarande | or does everyone want to go to THIS specific blizzcon because of cata |
| 21:55.33 | Shadowed | More like 300-500 per ticket |
| 21:55.49 | Amarande | Shadowed: still, when it costs more than a cross-country flight to get there, something's wrong |
| 21:56.05 | Shadowed | It doesn't cost more than a cross-country flight |
| 21:56.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: How many bids have been placed on it? |
| 21:56.09 | Shadowed | unless you buy it from a 3rd party person :P |
| 21:56.10 | Amarande | not sure |
| 21:56.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: no, regular expressions are god, grep is merely it's prophet. |
| 21:56.13 | Shadowed | which doesn't count |
| 21:56.15 | Amarande | a coworker told me about it |
| 21:56.28 | Amarande | Shadowed: that's the only place to GET blizzcon tix now, they're sold out :P |
| 21:56.39 | Dagmar | Shadowed: At $1600 you can fly across the country *tomorrow*. 21 days advanced is more like $600 |
| 21:56.42 | Amarande | Night: you know, you might be right |
| 21:56.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a pagan, what do I know. I worship chocolate chips. |
| 21:56.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: chocolate chips may also be god. |
| 21:56.59 | Amarande | especially since understanding regexes is kind of a divine mystery |
| 21:57.00 | Amarande | :| |
| 21:57.01 | NightHawkTheSane | there's room for many gods in my pantheon :) |
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| 21:57.14 | Dagmar | s/divine mystery/black art/ |
| 21:57.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 21:57.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i swear, one time i wrote a particularly complex regex, and summoned a demon. |
| 21:57.45 | Dagmar | I'm not challengeing the veracity of that. |
| 21:57.56 | Amarande | Night: did you ever manage to successfully perform banishing or does it still attack you at times :) |
| 21:57.59 | Hirsute | looks for the link to the video of the math professor summoning a demon... |
| 21:57.59 | NightHawkTheSane | fortunately, I had a typo, and the demon didn't match anything, so he just went home |
| 21:58.04 | Dagmar | It wouldn't even suprise me much to see it happen. |
| 21:58.17 | Amarande | sadly, unlike WoW, real demons apparently respond *only* to banishing or shunning |
| 21:58.24 | Amarande | they seem to come with "absorb all attacks as healing" as standard :| |
| 21:58.56 | zenzelezz | that's because most real demons are phantoms |
| 21:59.16 | Amarande | yeah, I'm told a lot has to do with that when you try to attack them, you acknowledge them and thus simply reinforce their fabric |
| 21:59.26 | Amarande | it's like trying to forget something by concentrating on forgetting it |
| 21:59.31 | Lopeppeppy | Better to ignore or laugh at your fears. |
| 21:59.33 | Amarande | this will only ever cause you to remember it better :| |
| 22:01.40 | Amarande | Peppy: yeah, I'm finding myself recognizing this now :) |
| 22:01.54 | Amarande | also, apparently reassuring oneself about one's fear, as opposed to thinking of something else, before going to sleep is a no-no |
| 22:02.01 | Amarande | I tried that last night and had a vicious mind storm at work today |
| 22:02.13 | Amarande | I'm just glad I have an office to myself on Wednesdays |
| 22:02.57 | Lopeppeppy | Dwelling before sleep can be counterproductive, yes. |
| 22:03.10 | Amarande | dwelling in general, apparently |
| 22:03.29 | Amarande | I'm quite sure I'll get over *these* fears since I got over my *other* nasty ones, but apparently I'm using the wrong method |
| 22:03.41 | Amarande | (plus withdrawal from lexapro probably isn't helping these past seven days or so) |
| 22:04.20 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, one thing at a time, don't hit yourself with two hammers at once. |
| 22:04.43 | zenzelezz | most people would recommend not hitting yourself with any hammers at all |
| 22:04.44 | ZorbaGama | god I love the new holiday system |
| 22:05.08 | Lopeppeppy | Well, sometimes a clue by four to the head is necessary. |
| 22:05.25 | Amarande | well, I didn't have much choice about the withdrawal |
| 22:05.36 | Amarande | the doctor I had retired, and the one they matched me up with after was a price gouger |
| 22:05.47 | Amarande | and mental is % based on my insurance so that's like really bad :| |
| 22:06.13 | Amarande | I'd been paying like, 42 every two months after insurance coverage. Got my first bill from the new doctor and it's friggin 194 |
| 22:06.21 | cog|work | vuvzelas Fisker around a bit with a large vuvuzela |
| 22:06.40 | Amarande | granted some of that is deductible but even with normal coverage it would've been at least double what the other doctor was, and the new doctor also wanted me to come twice as often, to boot |
| 22:06.45 | Amarande | and also find the money for blood work |
| 22:07.00 | Amarande | meanwhile I've got all kinds of travel plans for summer and the bottom could fall out of our hours at work any week the way the company's been doing :( |
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| 22:07.20 | Adys | Amarande: what crack are you on? it costs around $250 per ticket on ebay |
| 22:07.23 | Adys | an international flight is $600 at least |
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| 22:07.51 | intangir | hello |
| 22:08.06 | intangir | does anyone know where i can find info on the new chat interface stuff? apparnetly ChatFrameEditBox is no more |
| 22:08.28 | cog|work | if you have the ptr you should be able to extract the code with the addon kit |
| 22:08.30 | Amarande | Adys: maybe it's gone down since |
| 22:08.32 | Amarande | undercutting ftw |
| 22:08.37 | Adys | intangir: wowprogramming.com could be a good place to start |
| 22:08.42 | Adys | Amarande: no, its always been like this |
| 22:08.46 | intangir | k thx |
| 22:08.47 | Amarande | my coworker said it was way more than that. |
| 22:08.51 | Adys | you're just looking at stupid sellers |
| 22:08.59 | Adys | then, your coworker is looking at stupid sellers |
| 22:09.00 | Amarande | and a cross-country flight is 600-650 at most |
| 22:09.08 | Adys | ... what? |
| 22:09.22 | malreth | later folks |
| 22:09.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ta, malreth |
| 22:09.59 | Amarande | Adys: our flight pricing for US events is considerably different :) |
| 22:10.02 | Adys | a france/greece/uk->US flight costs $750 with any decent company. in summer, it goes up to $950 |
| 22:10.09 | Amarande | remember, I"m in the States |
| 22:10.20 | Amarande | even if it's all the way across the country (which blizzcon would be, if I went), it rarely goes above 650 or so |
| 22:10.39 | Adys | you're confusing cross-country with intra-country. |
| 22:10.41 | Amarande | unless 'cross-country' means 'international' in your parlance |
| 22:11.02 | Amarande | here in the states, 'cross-country' usually refers to 'all the way across the country but still within it' |
| 22:11.19 | Adys | you guys are messed up. seriously. |
| 22:11.23 | Lopeppeppy | If you get the wrong weekend/weekday combination, or wrong airport combo, your ticket price can soar. |
| 22:11.32 | Adys | and yeah indeed |
| 22:11.46 | Adys | summer tickets are expensive anywherew |
| 22:12.33 | Amarande | Peppy: or even if you order your ticket just a little too late |
| 22:12.40 | Amarande | when I went to seattle in 09 |
| 22:12.50 | Amarande | I bought the ticket just a couple days too late to get the 499 rate and ended up paying 649 |
| 22:14.33 | Kraps | is http://store.steampowered.com/app/49400/ good? |
| 22:15.51 | durcyn | you could just say the bloody name |
| 22:16.39 | durcyn | and my sources at SOE tell me you should wait for the Tactics game |
| 22:17.11 | mikma | http://elitistarmory.com/EU/Alonsus/Daggaplease \o/ |
| 22:17.55 | Amarande | wonders when these weird zap like feelings are going to go away from my head |
| 22:18.15 | Amarande | probably not till withdrawal is finished, I"m supposing :| |
| 22:21.07 | Thunder_Child | mikma: you know whats missing on that page? |
| 22:22.44 | mikma | thunder_child: everything |
| 22:23.18 | Amarande | so apparently ara broker guild friends still works yay |
| 22:23.37 | Amarande | (although I'm still not sure if it will show realid friends in the tooltip or if i'll still have to clicky) |
| 22:23.52 | Amarande | do realID friends get exposed to addons the same way that on-server ones do? |
| 22:24.06 | Lopeppeppy | ... oh god. Someone say no. |
| 22:24.09 | Thunder_Child | mikma: i mean something glaring about the site in general, not that person |
| 22:24.24 | Amarande | (also: apparently it still is against the terms of service to realID message a buddy who's on an opposite faction toon?) |
| 22:24.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i bet you could check the api and find out for yourself |
| 22:24.50 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, when you find out, I'd love to know the answer. |
| 22:25.04 | Amarande | Peppy: about which, RealID or brain zaps? |
| 22:25.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: not sure what the big deal about that would be? Addons couldn't do anything WITH that, no more than they can do anything about your other friends? |
| 22:25.18 | Lunessa | Amarande: Re: BlizzCon travel - I got a round-trip airfare for $404. |
| 22:25.37 | Amarande | maybe I'll go next year ... it's a little late to slot it into my travel budget for 2010 :( |
| 22:25.54 | NightHawkTheSane | shit, that reminds me |
| 22:25.55 | Lunessa | And *cough* I still have an extra BC ticket. |
| 22:25.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to buy pax tickets |
| 22:26.10 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: huh? |
| 22:26.15 | NightHawkTheSane | (anyone here /going/ to pax?) |
| 22:26.26 | Lunessa | I happen to have an extra BlizzCon ticket. |
| 22:26.37 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, I have the "I don't want that". |
| 22:26.37 | Cloudwolf | PAAAAAXXXXXXX |
| 22:26.38 | Thunder_Child | oh...i read that as burning crusade |
| 22:26.38 | ZorbaGama | I'm volunteering at PAX. Technically, that means I'll be there. :) |
| 22:26.39 | Arrowmaster | ive stated previously that if they ever add that facebook friends import into WoW that was in SC2 beta, im writing a pure Lua keylogger for it and sending everybodys facebook login details to a dummy battle.net account |
| 22:26.51 | Cloudwolf | i didn't go last year cus they sold out and i well even with they gto extra ticketfs i prefer going with friends |
| 22:26.54 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: take me? |
| 22:27.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaGama: heh, neat. |
| 22:27.09 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Do you put out? |
| 22:27.20 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: yes, he does |
| 22:27.21 | Lunessa | I kid, I kid, |
| 22:27.25 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: not with you |
| 22:27.27 | durcyn | no, he does put out. |
| 22:28.21 | Lunessa | Like I said, I have an extra BlizzCon ticket, 'cause I foresaw people might miss out on the lottery that was ticket sales. |
| 22:29.09 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, when is BC? |
| 22:29.22 | Lunessa | Oct 22-23 |
| 22:29.29 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 22:29.42 | cog|work | jnwhiteh: i just got 2 copies of the first edition in japanese for no apparent reason... |
| 22:30.07 | cog|work | (or so mrs. cog just texted me from home) |
| 22:30.25 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, if I wasn't spending a bunch of money moving, I'd be seriously tempted to convince you to sell me the ticket :P |
| 22:30.32 | NightHawkTheSane | but i really dont think i can afford it this year >< |
| 22:31.08 | Lunessa | Yeah, but you're going to PAX, so I envy you 'cause I really can't afford to go. |
| 22:31.42 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: if you take me i swear to god i will stand in line at a UI q&a just to ask 'Hi I'm Arrowmaster maintainer of Cartographer2, Fubar, Ace2, and a ton of other addons and libraries created by the WowAce community. Which intern have you been letting do all the WoW Lua coding since wrath and could you point me in his direction so i can slap him?' |
| 22:32.27 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Holy shit - that's tempting. |
| 22:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: well, you could probably afford it if you didn't go to BC, yeah? |
| 22:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | (not that i'm saying you shouldn't go to BC, but that its a choice between one or the other) |
| 22:33.06 | Lopeppeppy | ... *snark* |
| 22:33.14 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I have other draws to SoCal each summer that aren't just BlizzCon |
| 22:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: *nod* which makes BC the better choice for you, I'm sure. I /live/ in seattle, so :P |
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| 22:34.02 | Lunessa | You know, in 2000 I considered Seattle instead of Houston... |
| 22:34.17 | Lopeppeppy | Seattle has more penguins |
| 22:34.18 | Lunessa | I totally should have moved there. |
| 22:34.47 | taroven | Anyone know what's causing statusbars/textures in general to stretch instead of get cut off on resize in 3.3.5? |
| 22:35.27 | Amarande | I haven't seen any such behavior yet |
| 22:36.05 | taroven | Amarande: Lucky. oUF (at least my layout), Bigwigs, and EventHorizon are all experiencing it. |
| 22:36.34 | taroven | My castbars look ugly as sin. -.- |
| 22:36.44 | Lunessa | taroven: probably people didn't update when there was a change in textures in the previous patch. |
| 22:37.41 | taroven | Lunessa: This wasn't an issue last patch. |
| 22:39.07 | Lunessa | There was a change to the texture handling API in that patch though. *shrug* lots and lots of forum traffic as people's XPearl got (even more) ugly. |
| 22:39.16 | Amarande | taroven: ahh, I don't use any of those |
| 22:39.28 | Amarande | I use Pitbull, DBM, and I'm not sure what EventHorizon is for so I'm not sure if I have an equivalent addon |
| 22:39.48 | Amarande | I know Pitbull just had an update yesterday though so maybe they already addressed whatever it was, if it was going to affect it at all |
| 22:39.52 | taroven | Amarande: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14878-EventHorizonContinued.html (I'm the author) |
| 22:40.26 | taroven | I haven't noticed any mention of the issue on wowi forums, haven't checked blizz forums quite yet though |
| 22:41.12 | jnwhiteh | cog|work: hahah, I probably did as well. |
| 22:43.51 | Amarande | taroven: that could also be that people now wait a few days to QQ now after a major patch |
| 22:43.59 | Amarande | because they're used to shit breaking on patch day and needing a few days to be updated :S |
| 22:44.48 | taroven | Amarande: Prolly. Kinda sucks as an author though, not being aware of a solution to a really annoying problem. |
| 22:45.33 | ZorbaGama | taroven, "this bug has been happening for weeks! why haven't you fixed it yet?" uh, 'cause nobody told me about it, actually |
| 22:46.11 | taroven | ZorbaGama: Story of my life. Had a bug in EH that stuck around for six months because nobody reported it and I didn't use the class in question. -.- |
| 22:46.42 | ZorbaGama | it always amazes me when people assume that us addon authors are psychic |
| 22:46.54 | ZorbaGama | I regularly had people complaining that specific quests were broken in questhelper |
| 22:46.56 | Lunessa | Like tekkub and his "Good News Everyone" not liking Maelstrom Weapon - he doesn't play a shaman. :P |
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| 22:47.18 | ZorbaGama | like, thanks for the report, but how did you expect me to know about it beforehand? I can't exactly get loremaster on both horde and alliance for every single release |
| 22:47.21 | Amarande | ahh, I haven't used EH yet |
| 22:47.30 | Amarande | I'm not sure I have a toon it's good for using on that I play much |
| 22:47.37 | ZorbaGama | EH is pretty good btw, thanks for continuing to maintain it :) |
| 22:47.39 | taroven | Give it a shot, you'd be surprised at what it can do. |
| 22:47.39 | Amarande | EH is for builds that have a reasonably fixed rotation, right? |
| 22:47.43 | taroven | Nope. |
| 22:47.49 | taroven | Situational awareness. |
| 22:47.51 | Amarande | ahh, maybe it's useful then. |
| 22:48.06 | Amarande | since my best 80 is a frost DK, and frost basically is entirely situational based |
| 22:49.05 | ZorbaGama | have you considered adding an option for a nonlinear time bar, btw? |
| 22:49.18 | NightHawkTheSane | (no class in game has a truely fixed rotation) |
| 22:49.22 | taroven | Unfortunately the DK module is pretty much for tanks. I don't think I even have Rime in therew. |
| 22:49.23 | taroven | *there |
| 22:49.44 | jnwhiteh | Anyone know who Magdain is? |
| 22:49.54 | taroven | Give it a shot though, there's no real reason not to. EH is one of those addons that's really easy to change if you don't like something or want to add something new. |
| 22:49.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaGama: obviously, you are not only supposed to KNOW everything, but also have them already fixed before people complain, and fix things that aren't your fault anyway. |
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| 22:50.39 | Amarande | hopes fire maging isn't still going to be expected to learn stupid travel time tricks when I hit 80 :S |
| 22:51.06 | Amarande | apparently, you're supposed to know the exact lag timing frobnitzes and pyro/FFB travel times so you can squeeze in an extra pyro in places you wouldn't expect one to go |
| 22:51.27 | Amarande | (I'm surprised they haven't fixed that, actually ... it would seem to me that a tactic that's basically based on taking advantage of a race condition in the server is an exploit :S) |
| 22:51.59 | Amarande | yet it seems like mages are constantly affected by race conditions, for good and ill |
| 22:52.09 | Amarande | didn't quite realize this class was this complicated when I signed up for it :| |
| 22:52.31 | NightHawkTheSane | no one actually casts pyro for it's full duration at 80 |
| 22:52.52 | NightHawkTheSane | so no, you're not supposed to try and exploit anything |
| 22:53.06 | foxlit | The heck are people whining about the celestial steed for? |
| 22:53.19 | foxlit | It apparently ignored terrain previously, and they're sad it doesn't now? |
| 22:53.20 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: they're done whining about everything else? |
| 22:53.20 | taroven | They're still whining? |
| 22:53.25 | taroven | ...lol. |
| 22:53.42 | Amarande | Night: I'm reading all this weirdness on EJ about how fire mages should be able to pull off two HS pyros in a row or somesuch |
| 22:53.55 | foxlit | They should also l2postscreenshots. |
| 22:53.56 | taroven | Gah, 80% of the UI/Macro section threads are about the damn chat changes and how to undo them. |
| 22:54.04 | Amarande | something to do with exploiting the travel time of the projectile |
| 22:54.13 | foxlit | taroven: better than the usual 80% of threats about "how I make this macro guyz!" |
| 22:54.21 | Amarande | foxlit: heh, I never even bought the celestial steed |
| 22:54.21 | foxlit | t=d somewhere |
| 22:54.23 | taroven | True story. |
| 22:54.32 | Amarande | I considered it until seeing it was too overpopular to be worth my money |
| 22:54.41 | Amarande | like literally half of Orgrimmar was on one :P |
| 22:54.47 | Lunessa | I have one. It was given to me as a gift. |
| 22:54.57 | foxlit | People who buy mounts based on popularity are weird. |
| 22:55.08 | Lunessa | I call it my "pritty, pritty princess pony" |
| 22:55.11 | Amarande | foxlit: I guess it just seemed odd "hey, let's spend $25 for a mount that's not even unique in the slightest" |
| 22:55.15 | taroven | I considered getting one until I remembered that mounts cost like 10g. |
| 22:55.29 | foxlit | "Do I like this mount? Not if Ted and Sussy get it too!" |
| 22:55.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: yeah, your first problem is that you're reading EJ, you're second problem is that you're either too dumb to realize to take it with a grain of salt, or too dumb to realize that even at the highest levels of play, you're not expected to perform as mathematically perfect as their models suggest. |
| 22:55.35 | Amarande | I've considered getting one still though, mainly because I don't really like the basic horde wind rider mount all that much |
| 22:55.36 | NightHawkTheSane | your* |
| 22:55.46 | Lunessa | *shrug* It's great that I get it on every alt, and for anyone with a 310% mount, it becomes 310% |
| 22:55.54 | Amarande | so characters that aren't tailors, DKs or engineers and don't have epic flying can have something that isn't ugly |
| 22:56.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i got it, only so i really never have to buy a mount ever again |
| 22:56.12 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Right. |
| 22:56.18 | foxlit | The DK mount is not a lot of things, but it is *ugly* :) |
| 22:56.37 | foxlit | I got it because the horse looked pretty. |
| 22:56.50 | Lunessa | Re: EJ models - there's a reason they say "theoretical max" in their sims. Because no one has computer-like precision. |
| 22:56.51 | cog|work | http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/192522.php |
| 22:56.54 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: that too. |
| 22:56.54 | foxlit | And, honestly, horse > CNC4 |
| 22:57.09 | NightHawkTheSane | although i do wish its legs were a bit.. beefier |
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| 22:57.31 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: it also doesn't cast proper shadows. |
| 22:57.41 | foxlit | Which looks mildly weird. |
| 22:58.06 | foxlit | On the bright side, it doesn't bug at Krasus' Landing |
| 22:58.20 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: what bug? |
| 22:58.30 | Amarande | foxlit: heh, I felt ripped off at first when I bought the DK mount |
| 22:58.36 | Amarande | wtf, 950g for this |
| 22:58.50 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: client's behavior for checking flyable is a bit weird around there |
| 22:59.00 | foxlit | Sometimes it refuses to recognize that you can mount a flying mount |
| 22:59.06 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: oh, yeah |
| 22:59.15 | foxlit | Sometimes it throws a "You cannot use this here" error for a while before giving up |
| 22:59.31 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: going back into the hallway and coming out again always fixed that |
| 22:59.44 | foxlit | Because the horse is also a ground mount, though, and the *server* tells you what you're actually mounting, you'll never have to bother about going back into the hallway |
| 22:59.45 | Amarande | btw |
| 22:59.52 | Amarande | am I thinking correctly that the bonfire buff works on dot ticks? |
| 23:00.01 | Dagmar | huh? |
| 23:00.13 | Amarande | the chance for extra fire damage thingy |
| 23:00.23 | Dagmar | Was WoWWIki wrong? |
| 23:00.36 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: wait, what? If the server thinks you can only use ground mounts, you mount the steed, and it'll let you fly? |
| 23:00.49 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: no. It's the client that's confused. |
| 23:00.54 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: ah |
| 23:00.56 | Dagmar | I looked it up the other night and by what WoWWiki was saying they nerfed that revenge buff to only be a 3% crit/sp boost |
| 23:00.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i see |
| 23:01.00 | Lunessa | foxlit: ACTUALLY... one falling death from that mistaken assumption |
| 23:01.10 | Dagmar | I *thought* I remembered it being a straight up damage add on a per-hit basis |
| 23:01.21 | foxlit | Lunessa: good thing you can't actually fall off Krasus' Landing :) |
| 23:01.47 | Lunessa | I jumped from the wall. I had it coming, but still. |
| 23:01.51 | foxlit | BI'm a druid, though |
| 23:02.08 | foxlit | So falling death == how we do that Netherwing racing quest. |
| 23:02.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: you might be confusing the buff you get from using the flower (3% crit & damage reflected) with the bonfire buff (30% chance to deal extra fire damage on hit) |
| 23:02.22 | foxlit | (They should totally add an option to repeat that race indefinitely) |
| 23:02.24 | Lunessa | My main is a shaman. So... yeah |
| 23:02.38 | foxlit | Lunessa: alliance? |
| 23:02.44 | Lunessa | Yeah/ |
| 23:02.49 | foxlit | I carry a pillow |
| 23:03.21 | Amarande | they also ought to fix the no-fly zones on dalaran, too |
| 23:03.26 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/item=18951 |
| 23:03.34 | Amarande | there's at least a couple floaty spots on the walls where if you land there, your only way down is splat |
| 23:03.38 | foxlit | Pity about the 30-second on equip cooldown, though. |
| 23:03.40 | Amarande | because you can't use a flying mount to get off |
| 23:03.48 | Torhal | Shadowed: Could you rename TabAlerts on WoWI to ChatAlerts, please? |
| 23:03.58 | Shadowed | link |
| 23:04.00 | Lunessa | Back in the WotLK beta, when vehicles absorbed falling damage, I used to pull a Thelma & Louise off the Landing all the time, especially if I had a side-car passenger. |
| 23:04.14 | Torhal | Shadowed: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15984-TabAlerts.html |
| 23:04.31 | Shadowed | You can rename it yourself you know? :p |
| 23:04.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that was live for a while too, wasn't it? |
| 23:04.37 | Torhal | No, I didn't |
| 23:04.40 | Torhal | Doing so now. |
| 23:04.45 | Lunessa | No, it got fixed before going live. |
| 23:04.46 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 23:04.52 | foxlit | It went live. |
| 23:04.58 | cog|work | pinches krka 29 times |
| 23:04.58 | foxlit | Whining on forums ensued when they fixed it |
| 23:05.12 | foxlit | "BUT I PAID 14000 GOLD FOR THAT MOUNT! I CAN HAZ FALLING INVULNERABILITY!" |
| 23:05.27 | Lunessa | And on that note, if I want to go home early for real... I should get out of here now. |
| 23:05.34 | Amarande | btw, does the passenger also go splat or only the driver? |
| 23:05.50 | foxlit | Everybody dies. |
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| 23:06.06 | Lunessa | Which is awesome. |
| 23:06.14 | Lunessa | Ok. Ciao. |
| 23:11.38 | jnwhiteh | XMLBrowser updated with 3.3.5: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 23:12.18 | foxlit | I refuse to recognize this patch until they ship it in EU :) |
| 23:12.29 | Thunder_Child | you dont want it foxlit |
| 23:12.41 | Thunder_Child | i'm trying to figure out that they did that is fucking my wow up so much |
| 23:12.46 | Thunder_Child | s/that/what/ |
| 23:12.56 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: but that fabulous i284 gear? |
| 23:13.44 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: that isnt in game yet |
| 23:14.06 | foxlit | It's in game. They need to flip a server switch, though |
| 23:14.16 | Thunder_Child | same diff |
| 23:14.16 | foxlit | Which I presume they will once it ships in EU. |
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| 23:18.18 | Dagmar | Okay back to that Fire Festival buff... The one I liked that I'm all confused about now was just a flat out +damage with a 30% chance to happen every hit you made, and didn't apepar to have any hidden cooldown on it because it was getting me quite a bit more extra damage than I thought they'd intended |
| 23:18.49 | Dagmar | This is not hte sort of thing one generally mentions in a bug report when it's so useful for chasing down troublemaking rogues who don't know to just pee on the fire and move on |
| 23:18.56 | foxlit | It's really nice at low levels. |
| 23:19.02 | foxlit | especially for melee. |
| 23:19.24 | foxlit | casters, meh. Things die in 2-4 casts, regardless of whether the silly fire thing procced. |
| 23:19.55 | Dagmar | Yeah well, Hunters have both their special shots and auto-shoot going at hte same time sooo... That 30% chance was happing about twice a second |
| 23:20.03 | Dagmar | It was making me REAL happy hehe |
| 23:20.17 | foxlit | Yes. Hunters are ranged melee. |
| 23:20.19 | foxlit | Scum. |
| 23:20.42 | Dagmar | The polearm is long and slow but I don't know about it being useful as a "ranged" weapon |
| 23:21.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: Dot classes are probably cheering too |
| 23:21.15 | Amarande | I'm almost certain it procs on dot ticks |
| 23:21.25 | Dagmar | It would have to or the thing would damn near be a total waste |
| 23:21.31 | Amarande | there was no way that mob I pyro'd the other night with the buff could have died *that* quick without that being the case |
| 23:21.35 | Lopeppeppy | oh geez, a commercial for IE8? Eew. |
| 23:21.42 | Amarande | it had about 100hp post-pyro, and the pyro dot doesn't burn THAT fast |
| 23:21.50 | Amarande | it died like 1-2 seconds post pyro tho |
| 23:22.26 | Dagmar | I've just been screwing aorund near hte Stormwind fire the last two nights... If the buff of flaming violent revenge thing is still in for the fires in the field then I'm gonna have to do a bit of riding around tonight |
| 23:23.18 | Dagmar | I'm fair about it. I only kill the horde who look at me funny, or I think might be thinking about looking at me funny. |
| 23:24.06 | Dagmar | Folks who are civil and just mess with the fire and head out--they live |
| 23:27.09 | cog|work | ~botmail for lopeppeppy if it gets people to stop using IE6, more power to them, imo ;) |
| 23:28.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 23:33.50 | A-KO | oh man |
| 23:33.52 | A-KO | this iphone is so win |
| 23:35.53 | Trela | Eh? |
| 23:36.23 | Amarande | bah iphone |
| 23:36.25 | Amarande | get the nexus one |
| 23:36.32 | Amarande | android > iphoneos any day |
| 23:36.57 | Amarande | iPhoneOS has too many limitations. Android, sky's the limit. |
| 23:37.05 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, give it a rest |
| 23:37.19 | NightHawkTheSane | they're both awesome. end of story. |
| 23:40.54 | Dagmar | I think there's one thing that we can agree on, and that's that Windows Mobile 6.1 is complete shit. |
| 23:41.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: indeed. :) |
| 23:41.11 | MoonWitch | 6.5 is ok |
| 23:41.16 | MoonWitch | but 7 is epic fail |
| 23:41.29 | theorbtwo | Ah, Microsoft. Bringing the world together, one crap product at a time. |
| 23:41.40 | Amarande | heh, I think my phone has 6.1 :( |
| 23:41.55 | Amarande | and every now and then the screen comes decalibrated |
| 23:41.55 | MoonWitch | flash it with 6.5.5 |
| 23:41.55 | Amarande | :| |
| 23:42.01 | Dagmar | Moonwitch: Yeah one of my managers went to TechEd and apparently they're just hosing down the crowds with kool-aid |
| 23:42.21 | Dagmar | "blah blah Windows Phone OS 7 will be great!" |
| 23:42.28 | Cide | A-KO, why is it so win? |
| 23:42.50 | Dagmar | I had to point out that 6.1 is such crap there's just no way they could have gotten 7 in shape in this amount of time without buying say, Palm |
| 23:42.57 | foxlit | I'm guessing because it loses cell reception, Cide. |
| 23:43.03 | Cide | oh snap |
| 23:43.32 | Dagmar | MoonWitch: If you have a Palm 800w, you're just screwed. There's no reflashing really possible |
| 23:43.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Shadowed: yes |
| 23:43.54 | MoonWitch | touch HD |
| 23:44.00 | Shadowed | what |
| 23:44.08 | MoonWitch | I am planning to switch to Android though |
| 23:44.39 | MoonWitch | or an iPhone 4 .. BUT I loathe iTunes |
| 23:44.49 | Cide | don't get iphone |
| 23:44.51 | Amarande | Moon: don't forget MobileMe! |
| 23:44.59 | Amarande | which you also apparently are forced to subscribe to to use an iphone properly :| |
| 23:45.09 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: interestingly i've heard reports that the iphone4 gets bette reception, with fewer dropped calls. *shrug* |
| 23:45.19 | MoonWitch | yep |
| 23:46.00 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: It supports networks other than AT&T? |
| 23:46.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: well, i mean relative to at&t's crappiness ;) |
| 23:46.44 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuGi7odqV_c is making the rounds. |
| 23:47.08 | Dagmar | Are we sure Apple didn't just make all the bars taller? |
| 23:47.25 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: stronger antenna. the entire border of the iphone4 is part of the antenna |
| 23:47.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: yes, i'm aware. |
| 23:47.35 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: interesting. |
| 23:50.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm still a little skeptical that that video proves anything, though |
| 23:52.57 | Dagmar | I think it proves something's wrong with that guy's particular phone |
| 23:53.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: well, certainly. |
| 23:53.47 | Dagmar | ...and that the signal strength reported on the iPhone's screen is so heavily averaged over time it might as well be useless |
| 23:54.10 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, thats most phones. |
| 23:54.34 | Dagmar | No, if I pluck the antenna off this 800w or my Razr, the phone updates that in the next 3 seconds |
| 23:54.42 | Dagmar | From full to zero, all at once. |
| 23:55.58 | Dagmar | That steady and slooow decline and recovery makes me think they've gone a bit too far in trying to represent that AT&T has stable signal strength |
| 23:56.37 | Kraps | durcyn: tactics doesnt come out until the fall |
