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| 00:04.25 | Shirik | I have successfully broken yet another system at my company |
| 00:04.32 | Shirik | I think our IT is lacking IQ |
| 00:05.21 | Dagmar | Yer a few letters off the mark |
| 00:05.26 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 are you good with windows domain controllers? |
| 00:05.39 | Shirik | or just windows permission schemes in general |
| 00:09.07 | Dagmar | Shirik: You might find this interesting... Apparently satellite photos aren't taken with a composite receptor element |
| 00:09.26 | Shirik | hm |
| 00:09.32 | Dagmar | By the look of this they're shot with filters in very rapid succession |
| 00:09.32 | Dagmar | http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&t=h&ll=35.0071,-81.0194&z=20 |
| 00:09.48 | Shirik | that is cool actually |
| 00:10.09 | Dagmar | ...either that or Psychedelic Airlines is now making stops in people's backyards. |
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| 00:11.10 | Shirik | Iriel would like it |
| 00:11.23 | Iriel | ? |
| 00:11.31 | Dagmar | The google maps URL |
| 00:11.41 | Shirik | he just logged on |
| 00:11.44 | Dagmar | Wee-e-e-ird image of a plane in mid-flight |
| 00:11.50 | Dagmar | http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&t=h&ll=35.0071,-81.0194&z=20 |
| 00:12.12 | Iriel | Ah nice, scanning sensor |
| 00:12.37 | Iriel | That;s pretty neat |
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| 00:20.21 | Shirik | cide |
| 00:20.22 | Shirik | hi |
| 00:20.26 | Cide | hi |
| 00:20.35 | Cide | what's up? |
| 00:20.53 | cog|away | Shirik: |
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| 00:20.59 | Shirik | cog|away |
| 00:21.01 | cogwheel | hau |
| 00:21.05 | cogwheel | err hai |
| 00:21.05 | Shirik | I found more awesomeness in c++ today |
| 00:21.08 | cogwheel | or hau ar u |
| 00:21.55 | Shirik | class Foo { }; class Bar { void foo(const Foo&); }; |
| 00:22.14 | Shirik | where foo() is pure virtual |
| 00:22.15 | Shirik | sorry |
| 00:22.20 | Shirik | Now |
| 00:22.33 | Shirik | gah |
| 00:22.35 | Shirik | let me start over |
| 00:22.49 | cogwheel | 42 |
| 00:24.30 | Shirik | class FooA {}; class FooB{}; class Bar { virtual void fooa(const FooA&) = 0; virtual void foob(const FooB&) = 0; } |
| 00:24.46 | Shirik | how do you make a template class that implements Bar, without having to specify FooA and FooB? |
| 00:25.16 | Shirik | OH! |
| 00:25.22 | Shirik | This was the same problem I talked to you about earlier |
| 00:25.23 | Shirik | with the macro |
| 00:25.28 | Shirik | well this was my solution |
| 00:25.44 | Shirik | class Bar { typedef class FooA A; typedef class FooB B; virtual void fooa(const FooA&) = 0; virtual void foob(const FooB& = 0; } |
| 00:26.08 | cogwheel | template <typename FooA, typename FooB> class Bar {virtual void fooa(const FooA&) = 0; .... ? |
| 00:26.20 | Shirik | template class Baz<class T> { void fooa(const T::A&); void foob(const T::B&; } |
| 00:26.21 | Shirik | NO |
| 00:26.24 | Shirik | without having to specify FooA and FooB? |
| 00:26.26 | Shirik | ^^^ |
| 00:26.33 | Shirik | Because I originally fully specified it |
| 00:26.38 | cogwheel | huh? |
| 00:26.41 | Shirik | and I ended up with about a 1000 character line |
| 00:26.48 | Shirik | because there were that many |
| 00:27.03 | Shirik | thsi is so nice |
| 00:27.05 | cogwheel | what are you talking about "without having to specify FooA and FooB"? |
| 00:27.10 | Shirik | See above |
| 00:27.15 | Shirik | now I can just Baz<Bar> |
| 00:27.43 | Shirik | this is actually modified from my problem but close enough |
| 00:27.44 | cogwheel | you're just hiding them under another layer... |
| 00:27.50 | Shirik | the actual problem would make it more complex |
| 00:27.50 | cogwheel | i don't see the benefit... |
| 00:27.51 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:28.00 | Cide | it means he can change them in one place though |
| 00:28.13 | Shirik | I don't have to reuse it every time I specify the template |
| 00:28.15 | cogwheel | why not just use a factory? |
| 00:28.22 | Shirik | no type safety |
| 00:28.58 | Shirik | the typedef allows for type safety while minimizing the template parameters |
| 00:28.58 | cogwheel | thinks you're overcomplicating the problem |
| 00:28.59 | Shirik | ALSO |
| 00:29.02 | Shirik | no actually |
| 00:29.05 | Shirik | this problem would be a lot simpler |
| 00:29.12 | Shirik | except there's an existing code base I have to adhere to |
| 00:29.28 | Shirik | the typedefs make it easy though |
| 00:29.41 | Shirik | Baz<Bar> instead of Baz<type1, type2, type3, type4, typeomgthiswillneverend> |
| 00:29.42 | Shirik | ALSO |
| 00:29.46 | Shirik | something else awesome |
| 00:29.50 | Shirik | I found a use for variadic templates today |
| 00:29.55 | Shirik | too bad we're not compiling with C++0x |
| 00:30.00 | cogwheel | you still have to change it both playces because your foo_s neet to know about all the ::WHatevers |
| 00:30.07 | Cide | so many new concepts for my puny brain to handle :( |
| 00:30.09 | Shirik | But this template is actually an interface |
| 00:30.09 | cogwheel | + speeling |
| 00:30.19 | Cide | rofl cogwheel |
| 00:30.25 | Cide | that's engrish level |
| 00:30.30 | Shirik | and I have cases like A : public Baz<A>, public Baz<B>, public Baz<C>, public Baz<D> |
| 00:30.43 | Shirik | where it would have been nice to do public Baz<A,B,C,D> and mean the same thing |
| 00:31.16 | cogwheel | isn't that what i suggested in the first place? |
| 00:31.27 | Shirik | no |
| 00:31.28 | Shirik | nonono |
| 00:31.50 | Shirik | you suggested Baz<Aa, Ab, Ac, Ad>, Baz<Ba, Bb, Bc, Bd>, Baz<Ca, Cb, Cc, Cd> |
| 00:31.57 | cogwheel | ah |
| 00:32.15 | Shirik | where I said well if we do struct A { typedef class Aa A; typedef class Ab B; typedef class Ac C; typedef class Ad D; }; |
| 00:32.16 | Shirik | for each |
| 00:32.24 | Shirik | we can trim that to one parameter |
| 00:32.37 | Shirik | and then we can collapse it into a single template instance with variadic templates! |
| 00:32.57 | Cide | you are officially a c++ god |
| 00:33.01 | cogwheel | so what's remarkable about this then? |
| 00:33.08 | cogwheel | >< |
| 00:33.16 | cogwheel | i think *I* was over thinking it :P |
| 00:33.25 | Cide | he just wanted to express his superiority over me |
| 00:33.25 | cogwheel | with all your hype |
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| 00:41.22 | Shirik | cogwheel |
| 00:41.26 | Shirik | it's awesome |
| 00:41.37 | Shirik | it's more awesome in that I didn't realize you could forward declare a class during a typedef |
| 00:41.42 | Shirik | which was necessary here |
| 00:41.51 | Shirik | I actually showed it a little backwards but it's close enough |
| 00:45.25 | cogwheel | are you saying class Bar is declared before classes FooA, FooB,...? |
| 00:46.00 | Shirik | It's something like |
| 00:46.03 | cogwheel | i'm not seeing what's being "forward declared"... |
| 00:46.14 | Shirik | struct APod { /* some stuff in here */ }; |
| 00:46.43 | Shirik | class Foo { /* some function that does something with APod */ } class Bar {/*Another function that does something with APod */ } class Baz { /*another function that does something with APod */ |
| 00:46.58 | Shirik | and I want Foo Bar and Baz to be easily accessible just by specifying type APod |
| 00:47.05 | Shirik | I know it sounds really odd |
| 00:47.09 | Adys | >>> It's written in Python and will run on any platform that Python will run on. That's pretty much every platform. |
| 00:47.09 | Adys | Except for actual, living pythons. To be fair, though, they are less a platform and more a series of tubes. |
| 00:47.09 | Shirik | but there is a meaning behind it |
| 00:47.13 | cogwheel | no i understand the convenience |
| 00:47.24 | cogwheel | i just don't get how the use of the language is profound :> |
| 00:47.32 | Shirik | yeah but from my description it doesn't seem to look like Foo, Bar, and Baz are related |
| 00:47.38 | Shirik | which they are, just not according to the language |
| 00:47.46 | Shirik | because! |
| 00:47.56 | Shirik | look |
| 00:47.58 | Shirik | I now have a template |
| 00:48.16 | cogwheel | 17:41 <@Shirik> it's awesome |
| 00:48.17 | cogwheel | agree |
| 00:48.18 | Shirik | template <class T> class MyTemplate : public T::Foo { T::Bar ... } |
| 00:48.26 | cogwheel | 17:41 <@Shirik> it's more awesome in that I didn't realize you could forward declare a class during a typedef |
| 00:48.29 | Shirik | using T in that manner is awesome |
| 00:48.29 | cogwheel | wut |
| 00:48.39 | Shirik | yes you can |
| 00:48.43 | Shirik | and I need to |
| 00:48.45 | Shirik | from APod |
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| 00:48.52 | cogwheel | not "wut" "no you can't" |
| 00:48.56 | Shirik | struct APod { typedef class Foo MyFoo; } |
| 00:49.06 | cogwheel | "wut" "isn't that how type traits work?" |
| 00:49.06 | Shirik | or even typedef class Foo Foo |
| 00:49.13 | Shirik | hey |
| 00:49.21 | Shirik | hey |
| 00:49.35 | Shirik | I don't havve to know everything :( |
| 00:49.45 | Shirik | it gets better |
| 00:49.53 | cogwheel | hence my confusion :P |
| 00:49.59 | Shirik | this is to resolve a case where class A and class B exist |
| 00:50.03 | Shirik | class A has a reference to B |
| 00:50.06 | Shirik | and class B has a reference to A |
| 00:50.12 | Shirik | and so the old way of doing it was |
| 00:50.23 | cogwheel | Shirik: you could always do that i thought... |
| 00:50.26 | Shirik | Foo::Foo();m_a(m_b),m_b(m_a) { } |
| 00:50.33 | Shirik | Foo::Foo():m_a(m_b),m_b(m_a) { } |
| 00:50.41 | Shirik | which, while strictly legal, is evil |
| 00:50.52 | Shirik | because one of those members is being initialized with something that isn't initialized |
| 00:51.08 | Shirik | my implementation gets rid of that |
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| 00:54.13 | cogwheel | >< http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3073844/horizontal-mouse-wheel-event-winapi |
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| 00:59.30 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.35 | Adys | Can anyone give me the url to edit blizzcon attendee info again? |
| 01:04.45 | Seerah | Adys: go to blizzard store and My orders(?) |
| 01:05.40 | Adys | Seerah: found it... eu.battle.net doesnt have it |
| 01:05.42 | Adys | had to log into us |
| 01:05.48 | Seerah | ahhh |
| 01:09.29 | Iriel | Ah, wifi tethering - Much <3 for android 2.2 |
| 01:13.10 | Cide | gimme! |
| 01:13.31 | Cide | htc needs to release 2.2 with htc sense faster |
| 01:14.21 | Iriel | Luckily theres a Nexus One rom floating around that works on unrooted phones, I guess google pushed it to dev phones but not mainstream ones, I grabbed it yesterday. |
| 01:14.45 | Cide | that's nice |
| 01:15.09 | Cide | I can't wait for swype to work for more languages though, that's the biggest thing I'm missing right now |
| 01:21.54 | Dagmar | Iriel: You realize, of course, that the first time I demonstrate a root exploit on a unix box and some kid tells me that rooting is only something you do to phones, I'm going to kill a lot of people. |
| 01:22.39 | Iriel | Dagmar: Heh, i'll understand completely. |
| 01:23.28 | Dagmar | Damnit. |
| 01:23.34 | Dagmar | I just found out about 'Despicable Me'. |
| 01:23.45 | Dagmar | ...not sure what I'll do with myself until July 9th. |
| 01:25.51 | Shirik | cogwheel: I was fighting with someone recently over "how to capture ctrl+alt+del on windows" |
| 01:25.56 | Shirik | and he wouldn't believe me that you can't |
| 01:26.01 | Cide | celebrate the swedish crown princess' marriage tomorrow? |
| 01:26.31 | Cide | Shirik, you just need a properly angled webcam and a clever algorithm |
| 01:26.44 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:29.39 | Shirik | cogwheel |
| 01:29.49 | Shirik | how long do you think it will take for a new version of TC++PL to be out? |
| 01:30.25 | Arrowmaster | fucking hell been boosting gears2 for 7.5 hours and when we finally get to a map on the playlist we havent had before something goes wrong and we get disconnected |
| 01:31.09 | Cide | maybe you got maphacked |
| 01:31.40 | Arrowmaster | the damn thing does all 29 maps in alphabetical order and seems to always start on the same map |
| 01:32.05 | Cide | haha, ouch |
| 01:33.33 | cogwheel | Shirik: by 2030 |
| 01:35.37 | Wobin | ... no more red ring of death |
| 01:35.50 | Wobin | because they 'removed the red LED' |
| 01:35.55 | Wobin | applauds |
| 01:36.26 | Wobin | "American will no longer have a RED in it's security alert. Because we have removed it." |
| 01:37.05 | Arrowmaster | i think thats stupid |
| 01:37.19 | tekkub | yea now the center light just turns red |
| 01:37.33 | Arrowmaster | they are just doing it to make stupid people think the new one is better since it 'cant rrod' |
| 01:38.50 | tekkub | pretty much, trying to distance themselves from the previous failure |
| 01:39.08 | tekkub | RRoD hasn't been an issue for one or two hardware revisions anyway |
| 01:39.19 | Cide | except in halo tournaments |
| 01:39.22 | Cide | lolol |
| 01:39.31 | tekkub | halo never counts |
| 01:39.43 | Cide | tell that to Shirik |
| 01:39.51 | tekkub | Shirik: halo doesn't count |
| 01:39.52 | Arrowmaster | in the same way that they changed later revisions of the 360 so that less errors caused a rrod, on the original one non fatal errors like just overheating caused rrod until it cooled down |
| 01:40.23 | tekkub | the lesson here is: get a wii! |
| 01:40.29 | tekkub | they don't have enough power to overheat |
| 01:40.44 | Arrowmaster | what if you put it in a microwave? |
| 01:41.09 | tekkub | that's lightning |
| 01:42.53 | Cide | what if you give it some powerthirst? |
| 01:43.52 | Cide | anyway, I love my wii |
| 01:43.58 | Cide | much prefer it over xbox |
| 01:45.02 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: you're still playing CS? :) |
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| 01:45.13 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 01:45.19 | Arrowmaster | playing gears of war 2 right now |
| 01:45.39 | Cide | Shirik, I love how the cover of The C++ Programming Language is this huge storm |
| 01:46.02 | Cide | makes it seem like it's a breeze to learn |
| 01:46.09 | Amarande | Cide: it's C++, it's a pain in the ass to learn |
| 01:46.16 | Cide | well yeah |
| 01:46.23 | Amarande | I was pretty much a natural at C, but C++ still boggles me |
| 01:46.33 | Cide | but wouldn't the author try and play that down? :P |
| 01:46.39 | Amarande | doesn't help that I'm a procedural oriented coder and OOP isn't something I cotton to well heh |
| 01:46.58 | cogwheel | Amarande: that's because no one knew how to USE it let alone teach it for the first deacade or more >< |
| 01:47.03 | Cide | procedural oriented coder? |
| 01:47.11 | Cide | that sounds like an excuse you made up for your lack of effort |
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| 01:47.57 | Cide | anyway |
| 01:48.09 | Cide | java forces it down your throat pretty well unless you do some really nasty stuff to get around it |
| 01:48.12 | Cide | so try that |
| 01:48.19 | cogwheel | or don't |
| 01:48.21 | Cide | not that I would wish java upon you in general but... |
| 01:48.25 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 01:48.33 | cogwheel | learn F# |
| 01:48.39 | Amarande | what can I say, I was raised to believe that code works on objects |
| 01:48.42 | cogwheel | you'll get functional with a smattering of oo :) |
| 01:48.43 | Amarande | objects aren't supposed to contain code! |
| 01:48.44 | Amarande | :| |
| 01:48.51 | Cide | well relearn |
| 01:51.47 | cogwheel | Amarande: at least C++ acknowledges that not everything is an object |
| 01:52.10 | Cide | cogwheel, is it just me or does F# beg to be pronounced fuck? |
| 01:52.24 | Amarande | but yeah, I was definitely the sort who learned that code works on data, rather than being contained in the data |
| 01:52.27 | cogwheel | many of the "gurus" recommend to prefer free functions over methods if the functionality can be accomplished with the public interface |
| 01:52.34 | Amarande | it kinda has its downsides, though |
| 01:52.37 | Amarande | like game engine design |
| 01:52.43 | Amarande | where you want to be able to attach scripts to say game world locations |
| 01:52.55 | Amarande | and then you wish the data could contain code |
| 01:53.02 | cogwheel | Cide: must be a swedish thing :P |
| 01:53.02 | Iriel | If you're writing what is essentially procedural code you dont HAVE to do objects in java |
| 01:53.11 | Iriel | or, more to the point, you can just treat objects as 'namespaces' |
| 01:53.17 | Iriel | and make all your methods static |
| 01:53.31 | Cide | cogwheel, F#%$ is just F# with two more letters of similar characteristics |
| 01:54.14 | Cide | Iriel, yeah, but that's pretty hacky |
| 01:54.24 | Cide | why use java anyway then? |
| 01:54.46 | Amarande | I've never heard of F# |
| 01:54.49 | Amarande | what's that, OO Fortran or something? |
| 01:54.55 | cogwheel | Amarande: you would solve that in C with OO |
| 01:55.04 | cogwheel | by storing function pointers in a struct |
| 01:55.20 | Amarande | also, what's the trick to integrating a scripting language into a game engine? |
| 01:55.24 | cogwheel | that's really all classes are |
| 01:55.34 | Iriel | Cide: portability? the runtime? a library? because you want to? |
| 01:56.02 | cogwheel | Amarande: RTFM? ;) |
| 01:57.26 | cogwheel | Amarande: one trick is to build an abstraction layer between the scripting engine and your native environment |
| 01:57.41 | Cide | Iriel, possibly |
| 01:58.01 | Cide | but there are other languages that are portable that don't force OO upon you (python for one) |
| 01:58.18 | cogwheel | (and that's really the point of any particular programming style: representing abstractions) |
| 01:58.24 | Cide | I guess an exception would be android development |
| 01:58.45 | Cide | besides, if you're comfortable writing java at all then it seems you would also be able to handle OO |
| 01:59.07 | Cide | at least in my opinion |
| 01:59.25 | Cide | I'm sure there are use cases, but it just seems weird to me in general |
| 01:59.27 | ZorbaBeta | I originally built an abstraction layer between the scripting environment and my native environment |
| 01:59.34 | ZorbaBeta | at this point I do my development in the scripting environment |
| 01:59.47 | ZorbaBeta | so much faster :P |
| 01:59.59 | Amarande | cogwheel: I'm also wondering how, say, WoW adds in statements to Lua for WoW-specific functions |
| 02:00.07 | Amarande | how does that interface between the scripting and the engine? |
| 02:00.18 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, Lua allows you to pass in a standard function prototype with a stack-based interface |
| 02:00.28 | ZorbaBeta | you use that to pull out the parameters and jam in the return values |
| 02:00.38 | ZorbaBeta | I can post an example or two if you'd like, I'm using Lua heavily in my game engine |
| 02:01.19 | Amarande | so basically, what those WoW functions are are actually C functions for which the parameters are the Lua parameters we give in our addons? |
| 02:01.28 | cogwheel | not quite |
| 02:01.39 | ZorbaBeta | That's an approximate gist, though you're missing a layer of abstraction |
| 02:01.40 | cogwheel | the parameters you provide are put in the stack of the Lua state |
| 02:01.51 | ZorbaBeta | the C function gets a lua state parameter and nothing else |
| 02:01.51 | cogwheel | and your function is called with a pointer to that state |
| 02:02.04 | cogwheel | your C function is called* |
| 02:02.05 | ZorbaBeta | there's a set of Lua API functions that muck about with the lua state, and using those you can extract parameters. |
| 02:02.21 | ZorbaBeta | There's also libraries you can use to make it easier, they tend to use crazy template magic to make it all Just Work |
| 02:02.37 | Iriel | I got 1/2 way through typing essentially what ZorbaBeta just said |
| 02:02.41 | Iriel | damn you ZorbaBeta 8-) |
| 02:02.58 | cogwheel | Amarande: http://luaforge.net/plugins/scmcvs/cvsweb.php/trunk/src/lwowlib.c?rev=1.3;content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup;cvsroot=lua-wow |
| 02:03.08 | cogwheel | (eek ... lemme know if you want that shortened) |
| 02:03.58 | cogwheel | that's how i implemented some of the WoW lua functions for lua-wow |
| 02:04.07 | Iriel | That isn't even 2 full lines, doesn't need to be shortened |
| 02:04.08 | Amarande | lol, I'm used to weridly long urls :) |
| 02:04.21 | ZorbaBeta | http://github.com/zorbathut/glorp/blob/master/core.cpp this is really messy, but I'm using both the standard Lua API and libluabind for various functions in here |
| 02:04.57 | Adys | cvs? seriously? |
| 02:05.11 | cogwheel | that's luaforge for ya |
| 02:05.15 | Adys | :/ |
| 02:05.25 | ZorbaBeta | good argument for not using luaforge |
| 02:06.04 | Iriel | Wow, I felt uncool for still using SVN |
| 02:06.05 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 02:08.56 | Cide | heh, just wait until DCS goes out of style |
| 02:09.11 | Cide | err |
| 02:09.28 | Cide | DVCS |
| 02:09.47 | Cide | in favor of MMOVCS |
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| 02:22.26 | Dagmar | Cide: Yes, entire teams will be able to get together to fuck up repositories over Ventrilo |
| 02:22.47 | Dagmar | FORTY MAN EDITS! W00T! |
| 02:24.16 | cogwheel | ZorbaBeta: you should switch your /* comments */ and //comments around >< |
| 02:25.03 | ZorbaBeta | cog, I think literally all of the /* comments */ are from code I copied from other sources |
| 02:25.10 | ZorbaBeta | like the lua source |
| 02:25.11 | Shirik | I like svn |
| 02:25.13 | cogwheel | ah |
| 02:25.19 | ZorbaBeta | I personally only use /* */ for multiline and // for single-line |
| 02:25.20 | Shirik | but every day I learn something new about perforce that makes me orgasm |
| 02:25.30 | cogwheel | tmi |
| 02:25.38 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:25.51 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I just checked, the only /* comment */ that's mine is the little commented-out function on line 682 |
| 02:25.53 | Shirik | but seirously there is one place where /* */ is good for single line comments |
| 02:26.03 | Shirik | #define foo bar /* some comment about this */ |
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| 02:26.17 | Shirik | solely because some older compilers seem to think that they're supposed to substitute in the comment as well |
| 02:26.19 | kd3 | yawns |
| 02:26.21 | Shirik | which can lead to some really broken code |
| 02:26.31 | kd3 | Maldivia, yes, indeed I did. it was rather fun |
| 02:27.41 | Amarande | I usually always use /* */ regardless of the circumstances |
| 02:28.05 | Amarande | I figure a consistent style is probably better coding practice anyways :) |
| 02:28.26 | Amarande | although I also very rarely put comments on the same line as code, either |
| 02:28.38 | Amarande | it's almost always a comment, then followed by on a new line the code that the comment refers to |
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| 02:55.06 | cybermind | i only put comments after code if its specifically about that 1 line as opposed to "what this block of code is doing" |
| 02:55.14 | cybermind | usually like why i did 1 thing instead of another |
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| 02:56.56 | Amarande | wow, this raid mentioned on EJ surprises me |
| 02:56.57 | Amarande | "Setup - we had 2 frost mages and 2 FFB mages in the raid." |
| 02:57.46 | Amarande | people take frost mages to raids? |
| 02:58.07 | Amarande | I thought being frost spec as a mage pretty much makes you a leper as far as raid leaders are concerned :) |
| 02:58.25 | Amarande | wonders if cata will make frost mages more viable in raids |
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| 03:13.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: They're viable now. |
| 03:13.44 | Dagmar | There's plenny places where that slow they can spec for is useful |
| 03:16.18 | Xinhuan | what raid |
| 03:16.19 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, they're not *horrible*, but they're consistently laggard on DPS compared to fire and arcane |
| 03:16.25 | Xinhuan | what instance rather |
| 03:16.36 | Amarande | Xinhuan: apparently frost mages were being used for vezax hard mode |
| 03:16.45 | Amarande | I'm foggy on where Vezax is :S |
| 03:16.51 | Amarande | it's not a boss I'm familiar with |
| 03:16.52 | Xinhuan | oh that's required in the past |
| 03:17.01 | Xinhuan | in that boss, mana regen is 0 |
| 03:17.05 | Xinhuan | you get a debuff |
| 03:17.11 | Dagmar | Amarande: Sometimes (and *usually*) DPS output has to suffer to gain _utility_ |
| 03:17.18 | Xinhuan | so frost mages are the only form of dps that is viable in terms of DPM |
| 03:17.24 | Dagmar | Ya might as well be critizing healers for having crap DPS |
| 03:17.28 | Xinhuan | and its only for that one boss |
| 03:17.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: no, the equivalent for healers would be giving up HPS for utility |
| 03:17.47 | Amarande | which pretty much is only viable for disc priests that I'm aware of |
| 03:17.51 | Xinhuan | (note i'm talking about doing hard mode on that boss 1 year ago) |
| 03:17.55 | Dagmar | So how many HPS does cleansing give? |
| 03:18.16 | Amarande | well, I suppose the equivalent of however much DPS that debuff would have done to the target :) |
| 03:18.16 | Xinhuan | if you went fire or arcane instead on vezaj, you would oom and output less overall dps basically |
| 03:19.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: The thing is that you can't write off utility spells as having zero value |
| 03:19.48 | Xinhuan | essentially that is the only fight in all of wrath where frost mages do better at... until 245 gear came out :P |
| 03:20.23 | Dagmar | Amarande: The really sinister thing is that that thinking--that only DPS matters--leads straight to one place that I've seen before. |
| 03:20.31 | Dagmar | We call that place... EverQuest. |
| 03:20.40 | Amarande | Xinhuan: I'm supposing that equipping MP5 gear doesn't help on Vezax, either? |
| 03:20.44 | Xinhuan | correct |
| 03:20.46 | Dagmar | One tank, three healers, and a crapload of cheerleaders adding DPS |
| 03:20.56 | Dagmar | That is boring as fuck. |
| 03:21.03 | Xinhuan | in hard mode, there is absolutely no mana regen, evocation doesn't work, mana gems don't either |
| 03:21.09 | Amarande | Dagmar: and yet it's the model WoW went with :| |
| 03:21.13 | Dagmar | No, it's not. |
| 03:21.21 | Amarande | the tank/nuke/heal model, at least |
| 03:21.28 | Dagmar | EQ fights were literally JUST what I'm saying |
| 03:21.39 | Amarande | so basically, every EQ boss was saurfang :P |
| 03:21.42 | Xinhuan | the boss creates void zones every now and then (move out of it), then the void zones leaves behind a buff zone where standing in it reduces spell costs by 75% |
| 03:21.43 | Dagmar | Your position didn't matter if you weren't the tank |
| 03:21.57 | Xinhuan | so you only casted spells when you are standing in the buff zone |
| 03:22.03 | Dagmar | Amarande: No, more like every EQ boss was Patchwerk |
| 03:22.51 | Amarande | btw, is it also really true that Anub25H and Yogg25+0 are harder than LK25H? |
| 03:23.06 | Dagmar | They simply just let everything that wasn't a damage spell or a healing spell get ignored and disregarded |
| 03:23.16 | Xinhuan | Dagmar, in everquest the only thing that mattered was Time :P |
| 03:23.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: Ahh, so basically the bosses were like JRPG bosses then :) |
| 03:23.29 | Dagmar | Just about dude |
| 03:23.42 | Amarande | Typical JRPG stuff being that when you get useful looking tools |
| 03:23.55 | Amarande | they're actually useless, because anything that doesn't die so fast you don't need tools is immune anyway :P |
| 03:24.00 | Dagmar | I didn't do raids in EQ for the longest time, then I hooked up with a group that was doing them for a month, and then very rapidly said "fuuuuck that" |
| 03:24.10 | Amarande | status magic usually being the biggest victim |
| 03:24.33 | Amarande | although some series (Shin Megami Tensei, especially) go to lengths to make status magic particularly useful |
| 03:24.45 | Amarande | even there, though, bosses are generally immune to anything but stat debuffs (which on the other hand are extremely powerful and important in SMT) |
| 03:24.52 | Dagmar | Hah. Now if they'll make monster genetics that makes a lick of sense |
| 03:25.07 | Dagmar | midget + weasel == bondage angel... wut? |
| 03:25.19 | Amarande | Dagmar: I see you've played Nocturne. :) |
| 03:25.30 | Dagmar | I've played Megaten, yeah |
| 03:25.45 | Dagmar | I was expecting to be able to raise giant freakish mutants. |
| 03:25.51 | Amarande | Do you think Megaten still takes the cake for hardest bosses in a video or computer based RPG, btw? |
| 03:25.56 | Dagmar | ...what I got was less complex than Pokemon |
| 03:26.03 | Amarande | or do things like Yogg25+0 manage to beat out Satan and Hitoshura for difficulty? |
| 03:26.30 | Dagmar | I would say the level of multitasking Blizz demands from us makes htem surpass just about everyone |
| 03:26.35 | Xinhuan | Yogg25+0 is fairly easy now (at 264 gear) |
| 03:26.47 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: Why wouldn't it be |
| 03:26.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, I mean in terms of actual mechanics, assuming you know what you're doing |
| 03:26.51 | Xinhuan | i do it every week atm lol |
| 03:26.56 | Amarande | (Though apparently, WoW still hasn't taken the crown for most HP on a boss yet ... pretty sure the highest HP in an RPG boss is still 4D Freya in Star Ocean 3) |
| 03:27.31 | Xinhuan | if they made a boss that is purely a vehicle fight |
| 03:27.44 | Dagmar | I mean, he drops 239's |
| 03:27.46 | Xinhuan | i think they can easily scale boss hp and vehicle damage to any number they want |
| 03:28.04 | Dagmar | If you're decked out in 264's, of course it's going to be easy because you've basically very little utility in being there |
| 03:28.12 | Amarande | 4D Freya has 60,000,000. Any boss you know that has more? |
| 03:28.35 | Xinhuan | flame leviathan +4 |
| 03:28.39 | Xinhuan | 230m i think |
| 03:28.50 | Xinhuan | vehicle fight |
| 03:28.50 | Amarande | and actually, 4D Freya *might* be considered one of the hardest bosses there is in RPGs, but that's again more of a coordination and positioning thing than anything else |
| 03:29.06 | Amarande | because there's no way I know of that you can carry enough Stun bombs to last that many HP |
| 03:29.35 | Xinhuan | also, 10 man lich king heroic mode has 109m hp |
| 03:29.38 | Amarande | and if you don't stun her ... well ... better be real damn good at dodging because she has HUGE AoE and on 4D mode secret boss attack damage is basically like you getting caught in the blast zone of a MIRV |
| 03:29.42 | Xinhuan | that's more than freya by far |
| 03:29.43 | cybermind | h lk has over 100.... |
| 03:29.45 | ZorbaBeta | it's tough to figure out what "hardest boss" actually means |
| 03:29.59 | ZorbaBeta | I mean I could make a boss that consists of a single d1000000 rolls |
| 03:30.04 | Dagmar | There were a few in DDO that were REAL fun if you didn't have graphics detail tunred up |
| 03:30.06 | ZorbaBeta | if you roll a 1, you win, otherwise, you lose |
| 03:30.11 | ZorbaBeta | that's the boss. it's pretty damn hard. |
| 03:30.26 | Dagmar | "Okay, now click the elephant-with-a-big-penis-rune..." |
| 03:30.28 | ZorbaBeta | then there's Absolute Virtue in FFXI which, to the best of my knowledge, remains undefeated |
| 03:30.38 | Dagmar | "Click the what?!? All I see is a green smudge and a red smudge!" |
| 03:30.44 | Amarande | Zorba: and yet has less HP than Drakkisath, go figure :) |
| 03:31.00 | Amarande | pretty sure AV has only 66k |
| 03:31.04 | Amarande | which is peanuts on a WoW scale heh |
| 03:31.16 | Amarande | actually, I think AV's been defeated *once or twice* |
| 03:31.23 | ZorbaBeta | then there's crazy wacky shit in some of the JRPGs where it's like an eight-hour fight and you have to play exactly perfectly |
| 03:31.26 | Amarande | but at least once was with exploits and the devs cheering them on or some such |
| 03:31.33 | Amarande | Zorba: you mean like Yiazmat? :) |
| 03:31.35 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, never been defeated without exploits |
| 03:31.45 | ZorbaBeta | I wouldn't know, I don't work on those bosses |
| 03:31.56 | Amarande | Yiazmat is the dragon from FF12 with like 50M HP |
| 03:31.59 | ZorbaBeta | they're not interesting-hard, usually, it's just "hey, here is the small pattern you have to do" |
| 03:32.01 | ZorbaBeta | "have fun" |
| 03:32.15 | ZorbaBeta | "you will be using four commands this entire battle, none of which are interesting" |
| 03:32.31 | Dagmar | God I still haven't finished FFXII because of that |
| 03:32.32 | Amarande | Zorba: ahh, the reason Final Fantasy X was so incredibly boring in the side boss fights |
| 03:32.37 | ZorbaBeta | WoW bosses are well-constructed because, with a few exceptions, you don't get bored during a single fight unless you already know the boss really, really well. |
| 03:32.52 | Amarande | except for jumbo flan (who's immune to physical) it's basically QUICK HIT QUICK HIT GODDAMNIT DO I EVER USE ANYTHING BUT EFFING QUICK HIT |
| 03:32.57 | ZorbaBeta | (vezax being the best counterexample to that. god I hated vezax) |
| 03:33.00 | Dagmar | Keep hitting bosses and uber mobs where the par time is like 25m and I'm BORED TO DEATH long before then |
| 03:33.15 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, yeah, after 5 minutes you pretty much know if you can kill him or not |
| 03:33.18 | Amarande | as for Satan and Hitoshura, they're basically the ultimate Megaten mage and fighter |
| 03:33.21 | ZorbaBeta | it's just the game wasting your time |
| 03:33.31 | Dagmar | Too right. |
| 03:33.43 | ZorbaBeta | the final fantasy games very rarely do multiphase bosses for some reason that I really don't understand. |
| 03:34.14 | Dagmar | About hte only thing it's testing is if I have the patience to keep flipping out of a fully-defensive mode every seven or eight passes in order to restore buffs/debuffs before spending two turns nuking like mad |
| 03:34.18 | Amarande | Zorba: yeah, there hasn't been a really good one since Ultimecia |
| 03:34.36 | Amarande | and Ultimecia actually did have some MMO-ish things to it |
| 03:34.43 | Amarande | including even a soft enrage of sorts |
| 03:34.54 | Amarande | because she's got that power that erases a stack of magic from a character |
| 03:35.08 | Amarande | and if you go on too long eventually she'll nuke too many essential junctions and down you will go |
| 03:35.45 | ZorbaBeta | the real problem with JRPGs, as I see it, is the leveling problem |
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| 03:35.49 | ZorbaBeta | imagine if WoW didn't have a level cap |
| 03:36.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: Hitoshura depended mostly on luck, and Satan apparently slightly on luck and mostly on keeping EXACT track of the round number and his hit points |
| 03:36.17 | ZorbaBeta | a "hard boss" would turn into an "easy boss" if you just went and ground out another level or two. |
| 03:36.37 | ZorbaBeta | that's what I liked about Chrono Cross - you basically had stat caps that were relaxed after each boss, and you approached the new cap rather asymptotically |
| 03:37.05 | ZorbaBeta | so they *knew* how buff you'd be at each stage, and could customize the battles to be both interesting and non-frustrating. |
| 03:37.20 | Amarande | Zorba: there's a few other JRPGs like that, where you have to learn the strategy and can't just overlevel |
| 03:37.32 | Amarande | Shin Megami Tensei games come to mind, as they depend almost entirely on choosing the right sets of skills |
| 03:38.02 | Amarande | Xenosaga II, too, because character base stats were craptastic, and healing was very weak as well |
| 03:38.03 | ZorbaBeta | I found FFXIII actually did a really good job of that, at least along the main plot progression |
| 03:38.12 | ZorbaBeta | some of the bosses *hurt* if you did it wrong |
| 03:38.14 | Amarande | Xenosaga I had a neat stat system as well though |
| 03:38.21 | Amarande | in XS1, you could spend Tech Points to raise stats |
| 03:38.34 | ZorbaBeta | I imagine the optional bosses went back to the standard FFXIII twelve-hour ultimate bosses, though |
| 03:38.41 | Amarande | but the maximum you could raise a given stat to was whatever the highest that stat already was in your party (before equipment) |
| 03:39.01 | Amarande | so if the highest ether attack you had in the party was say 30, you could only raise any other character's EATK to 30, no matter how many TPTS you had available |
| 03:39.16 | Amarande | though XS1 had its system gaming |
| 03:39.58 | Amarande | in particular, enemies there relied far too much on ether attacks, so if you kept raising EDEF as much as possible they became rather weak |
| 03:40.09 | Amarande | basically every attack you actually had to worry about was ether based |
| 03:40.34 | ZorbaBeta | unfortunate balance |
| 03:40.53 | Dagmar | Mmm.... ether... |
| 03:40.59 | Amarande | Zorba: though really that's pretty much a flaw I've seen in almost ANY game that lets you control over stats |
| 03:41.16 | Amarande | almost every such JRPG can be made more or less easy if you invest everything you can into defense stats |
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| 03:41.34 | ZorbaBeta | the problem with stat control is that either certain stats are better than others, in which case you slam those and win, or they're not, in which case why the fuck did you provide the feature in the first place |
| 03:41.50 | Amarande | while attack stats are nice, and will help you win battles faster if you do |
| 03:41.58 | ZorbaBeta | that was actually another thing I liked about FFXIII, you didn't have really direct control over your stats, just over what your characters focused on |
| 03:42.07 | Dagmar | I somewhat like APBs approach. |
| 03:42.13 | ZorbaBeta | honestly I thought FFXIII was fantastic in every way besides its truly horrifyingly awful plotline |
| 03:42.15 | Amarande | very rarely do JRPG battles have a time limit (except for fights in dungeons that themselves have time limits I can't remember any off the top of my head besides the Head of Sin) |
| 03:42.20 | Dagmar | Keep the users busy drawing obscene t-shirt designs |
| 03:42.42 | Amarande | therefore, it behooves one to focus on defense, because if you nerf the enemy's attack power sufficiently you are sure to outlast |
| 03:43.03 | ZorbaBeta | yeah |
| 03:43.13 | ZorbaBeta | I kind of wish people would adopt WoW's model, or improve upon it |
| 03:43.31 | ZorbaBeta | the "bucket of nigh-identical partymembers" approach really leads to some lackluster fights |
| 03:43.48 | Dagmar | MunchkinWars! |
| 03:43.51 | ZorbaBeta | the concept of "tanking" is a hugely important thing. |
| 03:43.55 | Amarande | also, hard enrages would help with the "focus on defense" idea |
| 03:44.00 | Amarande | Zorba: isn't tanking more or less possible in FF12? |
| 03:44.08 | Amarande | FF12 in fact felt very much to me like a solo MMO |
| 03:44.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: That's what one of hte classes is for |
| 03:44.16 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, FF12 was basically a solo MMO |
| 03:44.17 | Dagmar | er roles |
| 03:44.19 | ZorbaBeta | FF13 had that also |
| 03:44.26 | Amarande | yeah, I don't have a console that can run FF13 yet |
| 03:44.27 | Dagmar | What? |
| 03:44.31 | Dagmar | Ff13 where? |
| 03:44.33 | Amarande | wish they'd go back to releasing FF games on PC, like they did with 7 and 8 |
| 03:44.41 | Amarande | particularly since ... plenty of other 360 games come out on PC too |
| 03:44.43 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, the new one? it's on ps3 |
| 03:44.46 | ZorbaBeta | the combat is damn fun |
| 03:44.55 | ZorbaBeta | the plot is . . . possibly the worst plot they've ever made |
| 03:45.01 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: Oh wait... You're one of those people who speaks Japanese |
| 03:45.02 | ZorbaBeta | (I haven't played FFX-2, though) |
| 03:45.07 | Dagmar | it's not out in NA that I've noticed |
| 03:45.07 | ZorbaBeta | no, it's English |
| 03:45.08 | Amarande | anyway, if they had enemies with hard enrages, one could avoid the "player just puts everything in HP and Def and you can't touch them" scenario |
| 03:45.08 | Amarande | however |
| 03:45.15 | ZorbaBeta | I can absolutely promise you it is |
| 03:45.16 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: WTF. Ubi has f**ked me then. |
| 03:45.29 | ZorbaBeta | I speak maybe four words of Japanese at most, and I played through the whole thing like a month ago |
| 03:45.30 | Amarande | I only know of two bosses with hard enrages in JRPGs that I'm aware of (outside of cases where the dungeon itself has a time limit that includes the boss fight) |
| 03:45.37 | Dagmar | I've got the key thing from FFXII and have applied for their beta and they haven't said a damn thing to me |
| 03:45.38 | Amarande | Demon Wall from FF12, and Overdrive Sin from FF10 |
| 03:46.07 | ZorbaBeta | well, I couldn't tell you, but it's been out for a while :) |
| 03:46.21 | Dagmar | I wouldn't call a beta so closed I've not heard about it "out" |
| 03:46.22 | Amarande | Demon Wall I haven't attempted yet |
| 03:46.24 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, technically every one of the Eidolon battles in FF13 has a hard enrage, though those are kind of a special case |
| 03:46.38 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, are you sure we're talking about the same game? |
| 03:46.39 | Amarande | I suspect I need to go farm LP because I don't have ANY status accessory licenses and I'm going to NEED them there |
| 03:46.42 | ZorbaBeta | ff14 is the next MMORPG |
| 03:46.46 | ZorbaBeta | ff13 is the most recent single-player game |
| 03:46.54 | Amarande | Overdrive Sin, on the other hand, is sillily easy, even in No Sphere Grid, despite the time limit :( |
| 03:47.00 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: Oh okay |
| 03:47.05 | ZorbaBeta | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII march 9th release date |
| 03:47.12 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: They need to stop with the goddamn numbers |
| 03:47.14 | Amarande | mainly because except for the game-ending attack, he basically never *does* anything, except maybe like one weak attack at one point if he lives that long |
| 03:47.31 | Dagmar | Yeah I've kinda stalled out on 13 because it's just gotten to be incredibly tedious |
| 03:47.35 | ZorbaBeta | so, what, a DPS race without any other challenge? |
| 03:47.40 | Amarande | Zorba: basically yeah |
| 03:47.46 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, skip all the non-boss fights that you can, it makes it a lot more fun |
| 03:47.51 | Amarande | and you have like 12 turns before he goes giga graviton |
| 03:47.51 | Dagmar | It's clear they're not bringing that geisha character back so there's little in it for me |
| 03:47.53 | ZorbaBeta | (you can skip a surprising number of them) |
| 03:48.11 | Amarande | and if you use Rikku/Tidus/Wakka you can kill him in one round :P |
| 03:48.17 | Amarande | presuming you go in with their overdrive bars full |
| 03:48.20 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, man, I swear the FF designer's logic is crazy |
| 03:48.26 | Dagmar | I'm back to whacking on the PS3 since it seems Sony knocked the stupid out of their bluetooth support |
| 03:48.33 | ZorbaBeta | "Hmm, WoW fights are fun. What does WoW do? Let's not do any of that!" |
| 03:48.34 | Amarande | you just do an item mix on Rikku to get Trio of 9999 |
| 03:48.40 | Amarande | then you run Tidus and Wakka's overdrives, and he's gone |
| 03:48.44 | Dagmar | When GTAIV came out, for whatever reason, *all* audio wound up going through your earpiece |
| 03:48.59 | Dagmar | This is not true of Red Dead Redemption, thank god |
| 03:49.33 | Dagmar | 5.1 stereo becomes more than just a bit useful when some distant gunshots are all the advance warning you get about which way you better direct your attention. |
| 03:49.36 | Amarande | they kinda dropped the ball in FF7, 8, and 10 with those multi hit attacks |
| 03:49.43 | Amarande | FF9 was a good bit more challenging than all of those |
| 03:49.51 | Amarande | and that despite the fact that enemy HP maxed out at 65,535 |
| 03:50.14 | Amarande | (and that for only like one enemy, most bosses, including the super hard Ozma, had in the 50,000s somewhere) |
| 03:50.22 | Amarande | this is because in FF9, there ARE NO multi hit attacks, AT ALL |
| 03:50.27 | Amarande | you cannot deal more than 9999 in one hit, period |
| 03:50.36 | Dagmar | Amarande: That was the one with the card game in it tho wasn't it? |
| 03:50.39 | Amarande | and bosses hit pretty hard ... plus some status can't be guarded at all, including instadeath |
| 03:50.41 | Amarande | Dagmar: one of them |
| 03:50.47 | Amarande | the one where the card game mostly didn't matter except in one place |
| 03:50.54 | ZorbaBeta | I don't mind multihit, myself |
| 03:50.54 | Amarande | FF8 was the one where the card game was universally useful |
| 03:51.01 | ZorbaBeta | capping damage to 9999 is kind of a copout for a flawed game mechanic |
| 03:51.01 | Dagmar | I think it was 9 I just loooved hitting a new city so I could find some kids and take their cards |
| 03:51.10 | Amarande | Ozma had 55,535 HP, so six max hits would take him out |
| 03:51.15 | Amarande | but oh god good luck getting those hits in |
| 03:51.45 | kd3 | ugh. hated ozma |
| 03:51.46 | Dagmar | Not as much fun as Death |
| 03:51.46 | Amarande | Zorba: I suspect it's impossible to balance some JRPG stat systems without the damage cap though |
| 03:52.09 | Amarande | yeah, the thing about ozma was he got a turn for EVERY OF YOUR CHARACTER'S TURNS |
| 03:52.14 | Dagmar | "Death: Wastes a turn. You might eventually kill someone with it, so if you're that desperate go right ahead and waste that turn." |
| 03:52.20 | Amarande | so your party got 4 turns a go-round, so did he |
| 03:52.33 | Dagmar | go go gadget Vanille |
| 03:52.36 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, Death is pretty much useless outside of MegaTen, from what I've seen :( |
| 03:52.37 | Dagmar | *MISS* |
| 03:52.41 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, I disagree. I mean, look at Disgaea |
| 03:52.45 | Amarande | in MegaTen, it's actually pretty awesome |
| 03:52.52 | ZorbaBeta | if that game is balanced - and it is approximately balanced - then a damage cap is irrelevant |
| 03:52.55 | Amarande | there are a lot of otherwise quite annoying enemies that drop quite easily to Mudoon |
| 03:52.55 | Dagmar | Amarande: I was a bit nonplussed that it's got a 1% chance to hit. |
| 03:53.04 | ZorbaBeta | it's not like any game permits infinite damage |
| 03:53.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, that would be why |
| 03:53.10 | Amarande | in MegaTen, Mudoon has a 60% chance to hit |
| 03:53.10 | Dagmar | ...but with status ailments, you can raise it to a whole 5%. |
| 03:53.11 | Dagmar | pfft. |
| 03:53.26 | Amarande | and in Nocturne there's Hell Gaze that has a whopping 70% chance of instant death |
| 03:53.42 | Dagmar | You'll see YouTube videos of guys taking down those GIANT walker beasts with it and talking about farming CP that way |
| 03:53.47 | Amarande | (aka, GUARANTEED against enemies that are weak) |
| 03:54.03 | Amarande | in FF9, the only useful death spell was Quina's Level 5 Death |
| 03:54.05 | Dagmar | I'm sorry, if your farming technique is to get this never-hits spell to land or _reload_ then your technique sucks |
| 03:54.18 | Amarande | which was useless on bosses, and in most zones, but also totally broken in some other places |
| 03:54.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Sesshu| (~Sesshu@ip-11-18.travedsl.de) |
| 03:54.36 | Amarande | Level 5 Death killed any mob that had a level divisible by 5, and unlike the useless death spells, it always worked if the mob was vulnerable |
| 03:54.57 | kd3 | but what about the undead boss where casting life on it would kill it? |
| 03:54.58 | kd3 | winces |
| 03:55.02 | Dagmar | The one good thing about FF13 is that beyond a certain point, all trash fights appear to be a breif flurry of utterly orgasmic destruction in the form of a screenful of fire and flashing colors. |
| 03:55.04 | kd3 | the iifa tree one |
| 03:55.05 | Amarande | kd3: that was practically a cliche in FF |
| 03:55.10 | Amarande | basically every FF has a boss like that IIRC |
| 03:55.17 | kd3 | but it worked. usually it only did damage in other FFs |
| 03:55.29 | Amarande | FF8 has Gerogero, FF9 has the Iifa Tree boss, FF10 had Evrae Altana which admittedly took two Phoenix Down to kill but was basically the same |
| 03:56.11 | Amarande | (not sure if you can one-shot Evrae Altana, maybe with Life and Break Damage Limit, but unless you have played a GODDAMN TON of blitzball you can't get BDL that soon) |
| 03:56.47 | Amarande | since BDL not on celestial weapons requires dark matters, and you can only get dark matter at that point from BB |
| 03:57.03 | Amarande | and you need like 60 of them for one weapon |
| 03:57.32 | Dagmar | Oh fuuuuuuuuu*ck some blitzball |
| 03:58.33 | Dagmar | You know what I want to see in a Final Fantasy game? |
| 03:58.39 | Dagmar | A lack of pederasty. |
| 03:58.57 | Amarande | I actually found blitzball to be pretty fun |
| 03:59.07 | Amarande | more fun than monster arena, for sure |
| 03:59.07 | ZorbaBeta | you know what I want to see in a final fantasy game? |
| 03:59.12 | ZorbaBeta | a main character that isn't whiny |
| 03:59.18 | Dagmar | That would be nice. |
| 03:59.22 | Amarande | Zorba: Zidane wasn't all that whiny, if I remember |
| 03:59.37 | Dagmar | I foolishly set dialog to 'full' on one of them, thinking it would show me more of what went on in combat. |
| 03:59.47 | Dagmar | To this day I can't listen to the music from FFX without going to sleep. |
| 03:59.50 | Amarande | Tidus and Squall, heh yeah :P |
| 03:59.52 | Amarande | and as for Cloud |
| 03:59.55 | kd3 | one of my favorite jokes about ffx: "The characters are /voiced/! Why does tidus say '...' all of the time?" |
| 03:59.56 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, alright, I seem to recall zidane was kind of neat |
| 03:59.56 | Dagmar | Yuna just RUUNS that mouth |
| 03:59.58 | Amarande | he actually WAS fucked in the head, so he had a legitimate excuse |
| 04:00.19 | ZorbaBeta | I don't even know who the main character was meant to be in ff13 |
| 04:00.26 | ZorbaBeta | and normally that would be a compliment because a good cast of characters is awesome |
| 04:00.27 | Dagmar | Snow, I suppose. |
| 04:00.30 | ZorbaBeta | but they were *all whiny* |
| 04:00.35 | ZorbaBeta | god*damn*, people |
| 04:00.35 | Dagmar | It sure shouldn't be Hope. |
| 04:00.43 | Dagmar | Hope is definitely whiny. |
| 04:00.56 | ZorbaBeta | I think they were actually going for no-single-main-character |
| 04:01.10 | Dagmar | I could really get behind Snow, if he weren't engaged to a twelve-year old. |
| 04:01.13 | ZorbaBeta | kudos for them, I just wish they'd managed it with a single likable character |
| 04:01.20 | Dagmar | Like, whoa dude |
| 04:01.25 | Dagmar | Find soeone your own age |
| 04:01.26 | ZorbaBeta | (okay sazh was kind of badass, and I didn't mind Snow tooooo much) |
| 04:01.30 | Amarande | Dagmar: ehh |
| 04:01.37 | Dagmar | Sazh is my favorite guy in there |
| 04:01.41 | Amarande | given that FF games are (usually) meant to have at least a semi-medieval setting |
| 04:01.51 | Amarande | women being married off that young wasn't too uncommon in those days |
| 04:01.59 | ZorbaBeta | if they just replaced every main character with Sazh |
| 04:02.04 | ZorbaBeta | only removed his horrible weapon delay |
| 04:02.09 | ZorbaBeta | then I would be happy |
| 04:02.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah but Snow is almost fully twice her size man. There's a certain degree to which the mechanics of that start to get a little creepy. |
| 04:02.50 | Dagmar | Amarande: They were also generally married off to *young boys* then as well |
| 04:03.33 | Dagmar | Romeo and Juliet (fictional I know) were supposed to be what, 14 and 15... not 14 and 25. |
| 04:03.56 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm trying to remember how much older Gorlois was than Igraine now |
| 04:04.08 | Amarande | I do know they touched in Mists of Avalon on how Igraine had Morgaine when she was 14, but I don't remember how old her hubby was |
| 04:04.45 | Amarande | I do seem to remember he was a good bit older than her though. He was a lord, after all |
| 04:05.19 | Amarande | although that was like way way back in ... the Arthurian epics are thought to take place somewhere between the 4th and 7th century or so I think |
| 04:05.59 | Dagmar | Yeah marriages of commerce had a greater age gap |
| 04:06.39 | Dagmar | ...but if you weren't a rich and powerful person, chasing after young girls could readily end up with you waking up on fire. |
| 04:08.13 | Amarande | anyway, the problem with JRPGs though is |
| 04:08.20 | Amarande | there aren't any left now pretty much besides Final Fantasy :( |
| 04:08.40 | Amarande | .Hack is probably over, haven't heard anything new on that front |
| 04:08.46 | Dagmar | Well, with FF starting to suck in every way except graphics that may change soon |
| 04:08.51 | Amarande | Shadow Hearts and Xenosaga are definitely over, barring a very rich fan buying the rights |
| 04:09.08 | Amarande | MegaTen seems to be slowly dying, after its huge surge on PS2 :( |
| 04:11.10 | Dagmar | Good. You didn't mention Kingdom Hearts. |
| 04:11.57 | Amarande | Heh, I really haven't heard much from KH either |
| 04:12.09 | Amarande | Like MegaTen, it seems like it disappeared off to the handhelds, where it has only a minor presence even there |
| 04:12.12 | Dagmar | That's because it's not a game. It's a trademark and copyright wedge. |
| 04:12.17 | Amarande | has there been anything new since 358/2 Days? |
| 04:12.46 | Dagmar | You can be sure that in a few more years when the big mouse's number comes up again, they'll argue that they should keep their exclusive copyright because they're still producing "new" things with the mouse in them |
| 04:12.57 | Dagmar | ...and they'll be pointing at Kingdom Hearts. |
| 04:13.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: actually, it's Steamboat Willie they're protecting and they're not even using him anyway heh |
| 04:13.16 | Amarande | so I'm not sure how much that would help |
| 04:16.34 | Amarande | but yeah, I'm trying to think of a JRPG franchise besides FF and MegaTen that's still alive |
| 04:16.41 | Amarande | and MegaTen seems to be losing all the steam it gained on PS2 |
| 04:16.55 | Amarande | not sure why, it could be that it stuck to PS2 too long and lost tempo |
| 04:17.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: Steamboat Willie *is* Mickey Mouse |
| 04:17.27 | Amarande | Dagmar: yes, but not the version Disney still exploits |
| 04:17.46 | Amarande | modern Mickey is pretty much a redesign |
| 04:17.50 | Dagmar | As far as Disney is concerned they're all one and the same. |
| 04:17.51 | Amarande | but they still trot out SW as a copyright justification |
| 04:18.03 | Amarande | which is one of the reasons it pisses people off |
| 04:18.16 | Amarande | I could find it perfectly understandable if they were still using the SW design, but they're not |
| 04:18.30 | Dagmar | No, why it pisses people off is it's a freaking Chewbacca argument |
| 04:18.44 | Amarande | well, yeah that and it's a dumb argument |
| 04:18.58 | Dagmar | Copyright is a two-part deal. Society lets the copyright holder have exclusive rights for a limited time, after which those things go into the public domain. |
| 04:19.01 | Amarande | though sadly the idea that copyright is necessary for people to make money off creations is a commonly spread meme |
| 04:19.17 | Amarande | hell, look at Dover Books |
| 04:19.19 | Dagmar | Disney argues that this property is too valuable and therefore should not enter the public domain |
| 04:19.23 | Dagmar | ...which is quite the point. |
| 04:19.26 | Amarande | half their list is stuff that's technically in the public domain, yet they do a really good book business |
| 04:19.36 | Dagmar | Things aren't supposed to go into the public domain only once they're useless and valueless |
| 04:19.50 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah, you can sell things that are in the public domain |
| 04:19.54 | Dagmar | It's quite allowed. |
| 04:19.56 | Amarande | I guess businesses see things differently than us |
| 04:20.01 | Amarande | for instance, when I get my books written |
| 04:20.17 | kd3 | hugs his copy of the CIA World Factbook |
| 04:20.27 | Amarande | I'll be happy even if all I ever make back is the fees to publish them on Lulu |
| 04:20.33 | Dagmar | You just can't go and try and sue someone *else* who is selling that same public domain work. |
| 04:20.40 | Amarande | however, that amount of money wouldn't make a company succeed :) |
| 04:24.28 | Amarande | and really, the cost is probably the one thing I can really understand about copyright becoming a much more focused on thing |
| 04:24.43 | Amarande | works cost more to make now, and thus need to bring in correspondingly more |
| 04:24.59 | Amarande | even if digital piracy *wasn't* an issue that would still be a strong case for copyright :S |
| 04:25.12 | Amarande | at least, visual works |
| 04:25.15 | Amarande | books are still pretty cheap to write :) |
| 04:26.34 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 04:28.38 | Dagmar | Except that advertising and promotional costs are something book publishers are getting a little carried away with |
| 04:28.48 | Dagmar | THey are not learning from their brethren in the music industry |
| 04:28.58 | Dagmar | ...and at the rate they're going they're all about to go up in flames |
| 04:29.06 | Amarande | Ahh, I was planning to publish on Lulu and then use word of mouth among folks I know :) |
| 04:29.08 | Amarande | also I'm starting to wonder if the video game industry is going to run out of steam pretty soon :| |
| 04:29.28 | Amarande | it seems they're fast approaching the point, if they haven't already, where they will no longer be able to continue to advance in tech and still have a positive profit ratio |
| 04:29.34 | Dagmar | It's why they're leaning more towards letting people entertain each other now |
| 04:29.54 | Amarande | we've fallen so far away from the olden days when Richard Garriott put some code together and managed to sell it for $60 |
| 04:30.16 | Dagmar | ...where 'entertain' is almost freely interchangable with 'brutally kill' |
| 04:30.27 | Dagmar | He didn't sell that for $60 |
| 04:30.40 | Dagmar | He sold it for a lot less, and it was a much more elegant construction |
| 04:31.03 | Dagmar | I disassembled the ones they released on the C=64 and was pestering him about some of it at one of the Dragon*Cons |
| 04:31.12 | Amarande | Ultimas actually cost MORE for a long while than most other computer games |
| 04:31.22 | Dagmar | I found out real quick that what I saw in the game was exactly as far as he managed to take what he was doing. heheh |
| 04:31.26 | Amarande | IIRC, at the peak point of that, Ultima VII actually originally retailed for a whopping $80 |
| 04:31.38 | Amarande | a price still unheard of for non-collectors editions of games even in this day where people QQ about prices |
| 04:31.51 | Dagmar | Man I paid $30 for Ultima IV after taxes |
| 04:32.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: Ultima IV's actually freeware now :) |
| 04:32.13 | Dagmar | They were a bit pricey, but they werent hitting the shelves at $80 then. Twice that would have bought you a new console |
| 04:32.18 | Amarande | is a Dragon, and remembered when they released it freeware |
| 04:32.29 | Xinhuan | do you know that in my country, Starcraft 2 will retail at SGD$109, while most standard games retail at SGD$59? |
| 04:32.32 | Amarande | is Aurelian Dragon of UDIC |
| 04:32.43 | Xinhuan | and i'm talking about the standard edition |
| 04:32.45 | Xinhuan | not CE |
| 04:32.47 | Amarande | I'm actually one of UDIC's very few still significantly actives, and one of only three still active ops on their IRC |
| 04:32.50 | Arrowmaster | you live next to korea |
| 04:32.55 | Dagmar | Yeah because your merchants are merrily fucking you all |
| 04:32.55 | Arrowmaster | what do you expect |
| 04:33.24 | Xinhuan | Arrowmaster, singapore is nowhere near korea, its like a 6 hour flight ;p |
| 04:33.32 | Arrowmaster | it is? |
| 04:33.36 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 04:33.37 | Xinhuan | ya |
| 04:33.42 | Dagmar | They're doing the equivalent of what some of the companies who ship to AU did to Trent Reznor that pissed him off so much |
| 04:34.19 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 04:34.21 | Dagmar | He saw his album on shelves there for nearly twice what anything else was, and asked about it, and was told "The 'real' fans will pay whatever we ask is why" |
| 04:34.29 | Xinhuan | the retailer's claim for the absurdly high price is that in south east asia |
| 04:34.29 | Amarande | Dagmar: given that Garriott coded the engine anew for every Ultima save for Serpent Isle and the Worlds of Ultima games, I'm not surprised the engine only contained what was needed :) |
| 04:34.37 | Xinhuan | internet bandwidth costs 10x more than in the US |
| 04:34.40 | Dagmar | He told them to cut that the hell out because he wanted his fans to be able to listen without going broke. |
| 04:34.51 | Amarande | Ultima is in fact one of my major reasons to have a strong hatred for EA |
| 04:34.55 | Xinhuan | so they defray the bnet 2.0 costs of setting up singapore servers to SEA consumers |
| 04:34.58 | Dagmar | They didn't, so the last tour through there he was telling people while on stage and during the show 'PIRATE IT ALL' |
| 04:35.01 | Amarande | what they did to the series was just awful |
| 04:35.14 | Dagmar | "Steal it, steal it, and steal it some more" |
| 04:35.24 | Amarande | canning the expansion for VIII (the box, however, was apparently made, and is an EXTREMELY valuable collectors item if you can find one), and basically making IX be released unfinished |
| 04:35.43 | Dagmar | Amarande: Hey now I like my little castles |
| 04:35.44 | Amarande | even Serpent Isle, for all its status as one of the very best RPGs ever, shows the early signs of EA rot if you look closely :( |
| 04:35.49 | Xinhuan | that is, in south east asia, SC2 (SEA regional version) will cost 50% more than the US reginal version |
| 04:35.50 | Dagmar | and ther'es plenny more reasons to hate EA |
| 04:36.15 | Dagmar | I've almost gotten all my cottages to level 7 now |
| 04:36.27 | Amarande | although you had to really really look closely to find the EA rot in SI |
| 04:36.41 | Amarande | there was an entire sub-storyline that was canned though |
| 04:36.55 | Amarande | there was supposed to be a part with the Banes ruling the towns rather than them moving straight to White Dragon Castle |
| 04:36.58 | Dagmar | I mean, if you wanna hate on EA, just go buy Sims 3 |
| 04:37.04 | Amarande | there's even some dialogue still in the game from it |
| 04:37.08 | Amarande | if you datamine |
| 04:37.16 | Dagmar | It won't take you three hours of screwing with it to develop a deep and abiding fury |
| 04:37.37 | Amarande | for the most part the rest of the EA rot consists of areas that were designed but never got used |
| 04:37.44 | Amarande | most of them are accessible, as "cheat areas" |
| 04:38.03 | Dagmar | Their latest expansion to Sims 3 adds no less than three fatal crashes to key areas of the game. |
| 04:38.04 | Amarande | although all of them can basically be got to legitimately, and I think I remember how to get to most of them |
| 04:38.13 | Amarande | (one can't be got OUT of legitly though so you can't go there in a legit game) |
| 04:38.18 | Dagmar | They've basically said nothing about a fix |
| 04:38.25 | Amarande | ehh |
| 04:38.28 | Amarande | I was never interested in Sims |
| 04:38.34 | Amarande | I did like SimCity back in the day, but Sims never grabbed me |
| 04:38.55 | Dagmar | They did however, manage to put out a patch that adds dynamic spam er ads to the game, even though they claim they have no plans on using that |
| 04:39.06 | Amarande | most of the stuff I consider getting that's EA now is Bioware stuff |
| 04:39.15 | Amarande | I still can't believe Bioware sold out :( |
| 04:39.18 | Dagmar | Yeah that concerns me because I like Bioware |
| 04:39.33 | Amarande | I'd think that they would have been the sort who would never, ever give themselves up for money |
| 04:39.33 | Dagmar | If they go pfft it's basically no more decent RPGs for awhile |
| 04:39.44 | Amarande | unless Bioware was hurting in some way financially and had no real choice to stay afloat |
| 04:39.57 | Xinhuan | there's still square enix for RPGs |
| 04:40.10 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: Not really |
| 04:40.11 | Dashkal | I can has chrono break? |
| 04:40.11 | Amarande | I'm not sure what was keeping them going after NWN1 and KotOR until they got DA out, and they might have needed EA's funding for DA at some point |
| 04:40.27 | Dagmar | Amarande: NWN2 |
| 04:40.39 | Amarande | Dagmar: NWN2 wasn't Bioware, and neither was KotOR 2 |
| 04:40.42 | Amarande | those were both from Obsidian |
| 04:40.43 | Dagmar | ...and selling the hell out of the addons for NWN1 |
| 04:40.46 | Amarande | even though Bioware hosts the forums |
| 04:41.02 | Arrowmaster | and obsidian is doing the new fallout too |
| 04:41.10 | Dagmar | Platinum edition still apparently sells well enough for Walmart to stock it |
| 04:41.14 | Amarande | ahh, fallout, that reminds me |
| 04:41.17 | Dagmar | ...as wellas Best Buy |
| 04:41.19 | Amarande | is Bethesda ever going to make Elder Scrolls V? |
| 04:41.23 | Dashkal | Bioware is pretty much entirely tied up by SW:TOR atm. |
| 04:41.26 | Amarande | or was Oblivion the end of the series? |
| 04:41.33 | Xinhuan | i wonder if valve earns more money from their games, or from the Steam platform |
| 04:41.36 | Dagmar | Amarande: Don't mention that until we have 6Ghz single core CPUs |
| 04:41.49 | Amarande | Xinhuan: it's hard to tell |
| 04:41.54 | Amarande | CounterStrike is still an immensely popular game |
| 04:42.12 | Xinhuan | have you seen the portal 2 trailer yet |
| 04:42.21 | Dagmar | Argh that reminds me it's time to check to see if they're taking my money this weekend |
| 04:42.37 | Xinhuan | more EA games are on sale this weekend lol |
| 04:42.47 | Xinhuan | today it is... dead space, spore and mirror's edge |
| 04:42.52 | Amarande | I still find it hard to get into CS though |
| 04:42.57 | Amarande | I mean, there's all those map making tools for Source |
| 04:42.59 | Dagmar | Yeah and I can't really see paying that much to buy Spore again |
| 04:43.02 | Amarande | and does anyone play customs in CS? |
| 04:43.07 | Amarande | does anyone even play MOST OF THE DEFAULT MAPS IN CS? |
| 04:43.18 | Amarande | no, it's BLOODY DE_DUST2 ON NINETY NINE OUT OF ONE HUNDRED SERVERS OR SO |
| 04:43.30 | Amarande | guys, there are other maps! |
| 04:43.31 | ZorbaBeta | xinhuan, another interesting pair of questions: how much do their games increase profits from the steam platform, and how much does the steam platform increase sales of their games |
| 04:43.42 | Amarande | why does everyone play frickin de_dust2 day in day out instead :| |
| 04:44.26 | Amarande | it seems a fairly boring looking map to me |
| 04:44.37 | Amarande | plus I don't like getting sniped |
| 04:44.46 | Amarande | I prefer to do the sniping in fps now tyvm |
| 04:44.53 | Xinhuan | on a guess, i'll say its substantial |
| 04:44.55 | Amarande | actually, that's a weird thing for me in a way |
| 04:45.06 | Xinhuan | since steam is a pretty good way to stay connected with friends |
| 04:45.10 | Amarande | back in my Doom and Quake days, I was all about the plasma gun and super nailgun, MOAR DAKKA FTW |
| 04:45.25 | Amarande | nowadays in competitive FPS I almost always favor the sniper |
| 04:45.26 | Dagmar | I know Steam's delivery mechanism rocks to a degree that means they generally get first crack at my money on any new games |
| 04:45.48 | Amarande | which is also why I really, really hate getting put on the T team in CS |
| 04:46.06 | Dagmar | Don't gotta go to the store, don't have to mess with a CD, don't have to wait for shipping, nothing. |
| 04:46.12 | Amarande | yeah, steam is awesome :) |
| 04:46.14 | Dagmar | Pre-ordering isn't plagued by asshole delivery ninjas... |
| 04:46.32 | Amarande | though oddly, my first steam game was one I bought in a store |
| 04:46.34 | Dagmar | A few clicks, it downloads, and right the damn moment of release, you're ready to play |
| 04:46.39 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, it's to the point with me that I will very rarely bother with PC games that aren't on Steam |
| 04:46.39 | Amarande | I bought HL2 collectors edition, then had to get steam to play it |
| 04:46.46 | Dagmar | No business with streaking home from the GameStop at 1am |
| 04:46.55 | Amarande | your gamestop is open till 1am? |
| 04:47.02 | Dagmar | When there's midnight releases, yes |
| 04:47.04 | Amarande | I think ours are in the mall ... which is only open till 9pm |
| 04:47.13 | Amarande | the other gaming store around is a Play & Trade which is also only open till 9 |
| 04:47.24 | Dagmar | It's where I got my Wrath and I expect I'll probably get my copy of Cata as well |
| 04:47.28 | Xinhuan | i like that bnet 2.0 is going the steam approach, but its not really close yet |
| 04:47.35 | Amarande | I think I got my Wrath at walmart |
| 04:47.47 | Dagmar | Oh one of the GameStop guys was real funny |
| 04:47.52 | Amarande | I had to go there to buy a new shower head around the same time, and got it around then |
| 04:47.59 | Dagmar | There's like 100 people outside, most of us wearing colors even... |
| 04:48.04 | Amarande | ... and apparently I might need to invest 18.88 in a new shower head AGAIN soon |
| 04:48.11 | Dagmar | Dude gets the idea to joke that he has an announcement to make that only 20 copies arrived. |
| 04:48.16 | Amarande | damned hard water |
| 04:48.51 | Amarande | the old shower head just scaled up completely pretty much |
| 04:48.57 | Dagmar | My response was "It's a shame your employer thinks so poorly of your lives as to neglect their supply chain this way" |
| 04:48.58 | Amarande | and this one I'm hearing creaky squeaky sounds from when I take a shower :| |
| 04:50.00 | Dagmar | My ex, bless her heart, was already reaching for the guy |
| 04:50.02 | Amarande | Dagmar: sheesh, do you live in a city where you have to watch what color shirts you buy :| |
| 04:50.19 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'm not talking about gang colors. I'm talking about horde/alliance logos |
| 04:50.52 | Dagmar | We're jovially talking about killing each other and this guy who does NOT play WoW tells us that 80 people might be going home disappointed. lol |
| 04:51.06 | Dagmar | Really bad timing on his part. hgegeg |
| 04:51.39 | Amarande | I try to avoid shopping at Gamesuck |
| 04:51.49 | Amarande | which, however, has also meant I still don't have a copy of the PS2 Sakura Wars game :| |
| 04:51.58 | Amarande | I should order it from rosenqueen before it disappears entirely |
| 04:52.33 | kd3 | heh, it's funny. I was wearing my wowi shirt at gamestop on wrath release night... I got sent to the front of the line by people who recognized 'Kaydeethree' >.< |
| 04:52.34 | Amarande | particularly since the ps2 has basically died now :( |
| 04:52.58 | Dagmar | kd3: I should hope so! |
| 04:53.04 | Amarande | let's see, what's left for ps2 |
| 04:53.13 | Amarande | the usual 2011 EA Sports games that come out on toasters pretty much ... |
| 04:53.23 | Amarande | a BEN 10 game, a LOTR game, and Despicable Me |
| 04:53.25 | Amarande | that's about it :( |
| 04:53.51 | Dagmar | Not caring about game, very caring about movie |
| 04:54.13 | Amarande | and PS3/360 just don't deliver the way PS2 did |
| 04:54.26 | Amarande | I guess I am going to have to finally start coding |
| 04:54.56 | Amarande | Dagmar, do you think anyone would play a 2D RPG anymore? |
| 04:55.35 | kd3 | >.< @ digg: The Catcher in the Rye to be made into Hollywood film |
| 04:56.30 | Amarande | misses the old Gold Box style |
| 04:56.35 | Dagmar | I might if it had enough loot |
| 04:57.11 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, absolutely |
| 04:57.23 | ZorbaBeta | hell, I played Chrono Trigger relatively recently |
| 04:59.06 | Amarande | I still have to play that |
| 04:59.19 | Amarande | I actually bought a used PSone a few months ago because I still have a bunch of PS1 RPGs to finish |
| 04:59.34 | Amarande | and some don't work well on PS2 |
| 04:59.40 | Amarande | FF8 and FF9 apparently freeze a lot on my PS2 |
| 04:59.48 | Amarande | FF5 has a known glitch with the PS2 BC |
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| 05:05.36 | Dashkal | I have really got to finish 4 and 5 sometime |
| 05:10.44 | Amarande | wow, it's amazing how much EJ will argue over the nitpick points of perfectly viable specs |
| 05:10.57 | Amarande | like whether you "should" spec Fireball/TTW or FFB for each specific Uld boss :P |
| 05:11.37 | Amarande | (and then there's frost ... which ... well, let's put it this way, I might experiment with it if I land a stable raid guild gig at 80, but if I find I'm mostly pugging I might not want to touch it :S) |
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| 05:15.32 | Amarande | hmm, here's something interesting in raid strategy |
| 05:15.44 | Amarande | on yogg, apparently you should send the melee into the brain, and have the casters stay on regular yogg |
| 05:15.51 | Amarande | what makes melee better on the brain? |
| 05:17.14 | Thunder_Child | ~cackle |
| 05:17.15 | purl | ACTION cackles |
| 05:17.31 | Cide | Amarande, uhh, why do you ask this? |
| 05:17.33 | Cide | that's a no-brainer |
| 05:18.00 | Amarande | Cide: I've never actually faced Yogg. |
| 05:18.08 | Cide | :( |
| 05:18.14 | Amarande | And I always figured the entirety of the brain phase anyway is just "go in, kill it before 60 seconds are over, that's that" |
| 05:18.20 | Cide | bad pun is so bad it isn't even caught |
| 05:18.32 | Amarande | after all, isn't the only thing the brain ever DOES, the sixty second cast for Induce Madness? |
| 05:18.43 | Amarande | so it's Overdrive Sin FFX situation again, a pure DPS race without anything else |
| 05:18.51 | Cide | see above |
| 05:18.53 | Cide | good night |
| 05:18.54 | Amarande | or are casters now manifestly inferior to melee in all ways DPS-wise? :| |
| 05:19.37 | Amarande | I dunno about Cide |
| 05:19.53 | Amarande | his comments would suggest that in a raw DPS situation, in which there's no complicating factor one way or the other, casters are basically an inferior option in general |
| 05:20.46 | Amarande | although ... I'm not entirely convinced that isn't the case :( |
| 05:20.54 | Amarande | especially with how powerful some melee builds (DK, enh shaman) have become |
| 05:21.21 | Amarande | Melee builds, after all, are usually firing off an ability every GCD (since melee specials are instant) and AFAICT have their auto-attack swings on top of that |
| 05:21.39 | Amarande | Casters don't deal damage anywhere near every GCD, because 3 seconds tends to be par for the course for the average nuke :| |
| 05:22.17 | Amarande | Dagmar, do melee have inherent superiority now, probably mostly due ot these factors? |
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| 05:22.35 | Amarande | wb. |
| 05:22.38 | Amarande | anyway |
| 05:22.43 | Cide | thank you |
| 05:22.45 | Cide | still going to bed |
| 05:22.47 | Amarande | are casters basically obsolete outside of utility value, vs. melee? |
| 05:22.59 | Cide | and you still didn't see my pun did you |
| 05:23.03 | Amarande | nope heh |
| 05:23.20 | Cide | fail |
| 05:23.22 | Amarande | (primarily because melee can stack a special almost every gcd AND their white damage, while casters are stuck slinging just the one spell every 2-3 sec) |
| 05:23.30 | Cide | I haven't done yogg-saron so no idea |
| 05:23.36 | Cide | but in general |
| 05:23.51 | Cide | melee are better when there is moving to be done and they can stay in melee range while moving |
| 05:23.59 | Cide | and also when there is constant damage since there's no pushback |
| 05:24.21 | Amarande | not that pushback is that significant on a fire mage, but maybe it only *looks* insignificant |
| 05:24.33 | Amarande | (talented you get like 0.1 sec for the first and 0.2 sec for the second pushback and that's all) |
| 05:24.45 | Cide | there may also be an argument for melee being more consistent dps (i.e. no wind-up period) but I don't know if that's very big a deal or if it's relevant here |
| 05:24.52 | Amarande | the main thing I can see to favor melee |
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| 05:25.05 | Amarande | is like I said, the fact that melee specials are instant, and don't seem to interrupt the white swing timer that I can tell |
| 05:25.23 | Amarande | while casters can do only one attack every 2-3 seconds (and can't even combine it with a wand the way melee can with white swings) |
| 05:25.28 | Cide | how is that relevant? |
| 05:25.42 | Amarande | it just seems like the melee is doing more |
| 05:25.45 | Cide | if the dps on long fights is equal then that should be irrelevant |
| 05:25.54 | Amarande | and with the power of some of the melee specials (oblit comes to mind ...) |
| 05:26.25 | Amarande | otoh, casters can hit for 10k with some stuff (critical chaos bolt :) which I don't think I've ever seen a melee dude do |
| 05:27.02 | Amarande | what *is* the current top dps class/build, anyway? |
| 05:27.05 | Cide | that doesn't really factor into who does more dps |
| 05:27.18 | Amarande | I think for a while it may have been enh shaman but I'm not sure if that's still the case |
| 05:27.36 | Amarande | (and very weirdly, I see extremely few DPS shaman in groups ... puzzles me if enh is that effective) |
| 05:28.57 | Cide | maybe people roll shamans to heal |
| 05:28.59 | Amarande | or are most DPS shaman raid guildies and don't come out to heroics much? |
| 05:29.05 | Cide | stop the healer hate |
| 05:29.29 | Cide | wait what? |
| 05:29.34 | Amarande | yeah, usually it's my fellow DPS that I want to shake my fist at |
| 05:29.36 | Cide | if dps shamans did the most dps ever |
| 05:29.46 | Amarande | well, that and tanks who are babies that drop group after the first wipe :P |
| 05:29.49 | Cide | then every guild would be rolling them |
| 05:30.34 | Amarande | but often my fellow DPS |
| 05:31.02 | Amarande | I had a Gnomeregan run die out because the hunter was stupid and tried to grab essential something or other and aggroed half the instance |
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| 05:31.08 | Amarande | which really pissed me off earlier today |
| 05:31.27 | Amarande | mainly because I'm unlikely to have more than a couple more runs at Gnomer before I get too high level to queue for it anymore |
| 05:31.44 | Amarande | and that would be if I stopped questing entirely and did nothing but get in queue for gnomer |
| 05:32.46 | Cide | good luck with that |
| 05:46.28 | Thunder_Child | who the fuck cares, it's just a damn dungeon |
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| 05:53.28 | Amarande | omg. |
| 05:53.40 | Amarande | I almost just tried to enter a login for the pricing server at work instead of my wow username and password o.0 |
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| 06:01.15 | airtonix | a sure sign of end times |
| 06:02.19 | Xinhuan | at least it wasn't the other way around |
| 06:07.01 | airtonix | they might be the same details |
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| 06:32.18 | Amarande | ok, that makes up for gnomer |
| 06:32.20 | Amarande | SM Lib run. |
| 06:32.28 | Amarande | Robe of Doan AND Hypnotic Blade drop. |
| 06:32.30 | Amarande | Woot. |
| 06:41.33 | Mr_Rabies | i remember making stealth solo doan runs around level 42 or so |
| 06:41.53 | Mr_Rabies | and selling his loot to a vendor for hundreds of gold a day |
| 06:42.23 | Mr_Rabies | but then blizzard hotfixed him and made his loot vendor like crap, then later made the monks outside come in when he's aggroed |
| 06:42.47 | Mr_Rabies | because people were just disenchanting it and selling that |
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| 07:13.56 | Amarande | *sigh* the one thing that sucks about high pop servers |
| 07:14.03 | Amarande | I'm not used to having to wait for repops at 3 in the morning |
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| 07:30.27 | mikma | http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/mmedia/2z/abi/sf1s/54948/719182207.jpg |
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| 08:14.06 | Amarande | omg |
| 08:14.12 | Amarande | I can't believe there are now folks who don't know what UBRS is |
| 08:14.56 | nevcairiel | a weird typo of USB? |
| 08:16.42 | mikma | with Roasting abilities |
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| 08:32.21 | SeanK | Does anyone know what event to use to know when bags are open? BAG_OPEN is marked deprecated and it doesn't seem to be firing. |
| 08:32.56 | mikma | can't you track the event? |
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| 08:34.09 | SeanK | track it with what? I'm kind of new to addon authoring |
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| 08:38.49 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.30 | SeanK | yeah, I remember something about that now, wasn;t it in the patch notes somewhere? |
| 08:42.11 | SeanK | It appears there is no event |
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| 08:51.33 | SeanK | the /eventtrace command sure doesn't seem to report many events. I thought there were a whole lot more. |
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| 09:00.23 | DJJeff | about fucking time...... just downed festergut and rotface 25 man for my 1st time no whipes all the way up AND got my a NIBELUNG!!!!!!! |
| 09:00.26 | DJJeff | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Thorium%20Brotherhood/Alishar |
| 09:03.02 | DJJeff | 5703 GearScore :) |
| 09:03.30 | DJJeff | people QQ over gearscore and recount too much.... seriously |
| 09:03.40 | DJJeff | need an addon that shows who stands in the fire |
| 09:03.44 | DJJeff | and who doesnt |
| 09:08.15 | DJJeff | ..... PING |
| 09:08.19 | SeanK | Doesn't failboat do that |
| 09:08.30 | DJJeff | Pong? |
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| 09:13.26 | DJJeff | does anyone else in here use http://apps.facebook.com/wow-armory/ ? |
| 09:13.33 | DJJeff | WoW Feeds for facebook |
| 09:14.51 | Jamash | yep |
| 09:14.56 | DJJeff | I need to find a facebook app irc channel and fast |
| 09:15.07 | DJJeff | this app isnt posting updates on my wall anymore |
| 09:15.10 | DJJeff | as of last week |
| 09:15.23 | Jamash | hm |
| 09:21.09 | DJJeff | this app is even official X_X http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=30706 |
| 09:21.18 | DJJeff | that scares me even more |
| 09:24.01 | DJJeff | ohh firefox needs to accept 3rd party cookies (facepalm) |
| 09:24.07 | DJJeff | problem solved |
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| 09:35.16 | mikma | lal |
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| 09:37.02 | DJJeff | ouch |
| 09:37.09 | DJJeff | the wow armory just went to hell |
| 09:37.55 | DJJeff | checking people on elitistarmory and my Position in queue: #5213 |
| 09:38.14 | DJJeff | never seen it this high before |
| 09:38.23 | Torhal | Potent shit, man. |
| 09:39.13 | mikma | shitty man potent |
| 09:39.33 | DJJeff | but regular site working ok |
| 09:39.34 | DJJeff | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&cn=Alishar |
| 09:39.38 | DJJeff | seems to be anyways |
| 09:40.26 | DJJeff | unsure how I should gem my new nibelung X_X |
| 09:40.37 | DJJeff | haste and spell power probley |
| 09:40.54 | airtonix | gem for diplomacy |
| 09:41.26 | airtonix | instead of boss raids you end up spending time in the tavern |
| 09:41.55 | DJJeff | diplomatic immunity ? |
| 09:43.01 | airtonix | "i'm diplomatically capped and all i have to show for it is this alcohol bill and all these gifts from the raid bosses" |
| 09:43.05 | Spejnar | is that your pvp gear or you actually use that much for pve? |
| 09:43.32 | DJJeff | I know im wearing 4 pieces of PvP gear like a fucking noob |
| 09:43.34 | DJJeff | but |
| 09:43.41 | Spejnar | meh, some pieces are decent |
| 09:43.41 | DJJeff | im saving my frost emblems |
| 09:43.46 | DJJeff | for my tier 10 |
| 09:43.57 | Spejnar | but your arcane spec aint even glyphed.. |
| 09:44.12 | DJJeff | I already have the sholders from tier 10 |
| 09:44.19 | DJJeff | almost ready for my 2nd piece |
| 09:44.34 | DJJeff | have 40 frost emblems |
| 09:44.40 | DJJeff | 20 more and im good |
| 09:44.46 | Spejnar | head/chest from frost and get gloves/legs from voa |
| 09:45.00 | Spejnar | depending on what piece you will were offset ofc |
| 09:45.05 | Spejnar | wear* |
| 09:45.12 | DJJeff | voa 10 man or 25 man or both? |
| 09:45.20 | Spejnar | both |
| 09:45.24 | Spejnar | t10 is t10 |
| 09:45.29 | DJJeff | hrmmmm |
| 09:45.36 | Spejnar | ofc it doesnt hurt to get 264 t10 but still |
| 09:45.38 | DJJeff | do you happen to know the names of the gear? |
| 09:45.47 | Spejnar | name? you have a set piece |
| 09:45.56 | DJJeff | ah |
| 09:46.00 | DJJeff | you mean my sholders? |
| 09:46.07 | DJJeff | are part of the set |
| 09:46.10 | Spejnar | I mean they are all the same set.. |
| 09:46.13 | DJJeff | ok |
| 09:46.27 | Spejnar | http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=Bloodmage's+Regalia |
| 09:46.31 | DJJeff | Bloodmage ........... |
| 09:46.31 | Spejnar | 251 and 264 |
| 09:46.35 | DJJeff | nice |
| 09:46.36 | DJJeff | :) |
| 09:46.42 | Spejnar | get the 4t10 asap, its freaking awesome |
| 09:46.51 | Spejnar | and respec, you shouldnt be raiding as freaking frost >.< |
| 09:46.57 | airtonix | why not |
| 09:47.02 | DJJeff | I shouldnt but I do |
| 09:47.03 | airtonix | its his choice |
| 09:47.09 | Spejnar | unless you are mana battery |
| 09:47.10 | airtonix | get off his case man |
| 09:47.28 | DJJeff | I didnt whipe on festergut and rotface tonight |
| 09:47.29 | Spejnar | lol, yeah, lemmie go raid as BM |
| 09:47.35 | airtonix | ok |
| 09:47.37 | DJJeff | im staying frost |
| 09:47.39 | airtonix | i give you permission |
| 09:47.41 | Spejnar | and ill have my locks respec demo |
| 09:47.47 | airtonix | why not |
| 09:47.51 | Spejnar | just to not be even close to optimal |
| 09:47.52 | airtonix | live a little |
| 09:47.54 | Spejnar | and play retarded |
| 09:47.59 | Spejnar | durr durr |
| 09:48.09 | airtonix | ahh i see you are being close minded |
| 09:48.12 | airtonix | such a shame |
| 09:48.22 | Spejnar | yup, I raid to progress, not to play around with retards |
| 09:48.24 | Spejnar | simple |
| 09:48.39 | airtonix | and back to richard in the news room |
| 09:49.21 | Spejnar | such a bad troll, you need to practice that more. |
| 09:50.06 | airtonix | have i upset you ? |
| 09:50.08 | DJJeff | too many people QQ in trade on my realm "THORIUM BROTHERHOOD" avoid my realm like the plauge |
| 09:50.26 | Spejnar | airtonix: not really, Im used to retards like you, so im fine |
| 09:50.28 | airtonix | i can give you a hug if you want |
| 09:50.35 | Spejnar | DJJeff: do you raid with a boomkin or spriest? |
| 09:50.49 | DJJeff | I finally got into this ICC 25 man pug tonight that starts @ 11PM (california time) |
| 09:50.58 | DJJeff | healers were fucking drunk off their ass |
| 09:51.02 | DJJeff | and we still did awesome |
| 09:51.26 | airtonix | just goes to show that any spec can 'progress' |
| 09:51.41 | Spejnar | ofc it can, its freaking +20% buff now |
| 09:51.53 | airtonix | they always could |
| 09:52.01 | airtonix | you just need to use your imagination |
| 09:52.11 | airtonix | and harness your patience |
| 09:52.12 | Spejnar | thats why top guilds were only using frost mages, because they could |
| 09:52.22 | airtonix | who cares what they do |
| 09:52.34 | Spejnar | I do, Im here to progress, not to fuck around |
| 09:52.39 | airtonix | lol |
| 09:52.55 | airtonix | why ? |
| 09:53.15 | airtonix | sit on my couch and tell about your childhood |
| 09:53.42 | Spejnar | You are not Chris Hansen! |
| 09:53.44 | Spejnar | that doesnt work |
| 09:53.53 | airtonix | there there darlink |
| 09:54.03 | airtonix | you are special |
| 09:54.14 | DJJeff | all I need is a fricking RSS FEED for my facebook page X_X |
| 09:54.14 | Spejnar | Im sure you are in a guild that allows retards like you to play, Im glad for you |
| 09:54.24 | DJJeff | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-feed.atom?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&cn=Alishar&locale=en_US |
| 09:54.30 | DJJeff | yummy |
| 09:54.41 | airtonix | i don't play the game |
| 09:54.50 | Spejnar | DJJeff: remember you are way over the hit cap, even without a boomkin or spriest |
| 09:55.22 | DJJeff | I have too many hit gems |
| 09:55.23 | DJJeff | thats why |
| 09:55.34 | DJJeff | how many should I replace |
| 09:55.49 | Spejnar | with a boomkin or spriest you will be at 21.71% hit.. |
| 09:56.18 | DJJeff | I never miss |
| 09:56.30 | DJJeff | mage nuggets tells me im hit capped |
| 09:56.46 | Spejnar | ofc you dont miss being waaaaay above hit cap |
| 09:57.10 | DJJeff | so I guess I could replace a few hit gems untill mage nuggets tells me otherwise |
| 09:57.15 | Spejnar | a few? |
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| 09:58.15 | DJJeff | I have 6 ridgid kings amber |
| 09:58.20 | airtonix | how much sugar have you had today Spejnar |
| 09:58.24 | Spejnar | none |
| 09:58.34 | airtonix | what about cocaine ? |
| 09:58.38 | Spejnar | you are 4.7% over cap with boomkin/spriest |
| 09:58.39 | DJJeff | how many rigid kings amber should I replace? |
| 09:58.43 | Spejnar | thats more than 6 rigid |
| 09:58.54 | Spejnar | get a backup trinket for when you do have one |
| 09:59.09 | DJJeff | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Thorium%20Brotherhood/Alishar |
| 09:59.12 | DJJeff | is showing 6 |
| 09:59.20 | DJJeff | ridgid kings ambers |
| 10:01.44 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaay bartender4 gets an update :) |
| 10:01.52 | cbreak | An arcane mage only needs about 11% hit when solo |
| 10:02.23 | cbreak | I usually hang around at 9% though since solo I don't care when I miss a bit, and in raids there will be debuffs or buffs. |
| 10:02.34 | DJJeff | again.... |
| 10:02.45 | DJJeff | sorry to burst your epeen but im staying frost |
| 10:03.07 | cbreak | I am frost too as offspec. It's just cooler. But it's dps is not as good :( |
| 10:03.10 | DJJeff | and I rarely solo |
| 10:03.15 | cbreak | you have 3% hit from talents less too |
| 10:03.18 | DJJeff | being a clothy and all |
| 10:03.42 | DJJeff | I feel very squishy without a healer around |
| 10:03.56 | cbreak | Only time I feel squishy is when I get hit :) |
| 10:04.29 | DJJeff | I can solo pull ragefire chasm with my shield up and all I see is .... MISS MISS MISS |
| 10:04.47 | DJJeff | all the way to the boss and back to the starting portal |
| 10:04.49 | cbreak | that's that lowbie instance in orgrimmar? |
| 10:04.55 | DJJeff | where I will frost nova |
| 10:05.04 | DJJeff | and blizzard the fuck outta everything |
| 10:05.08 | DJJeff | its fucking awesome |
| 10:05.10 | DJJeff | and yes |
| 10:05.15 | DJJeff | its the org lowbie |
| 10:05.36 | cbreak | molten armor is nice for those places... :) |
| 10:06.01 | cbreak | and the ToTC endboss trinket procs from it too |
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| 10:07.21 | DJJeff | with molten armor up |
| 10:07.26 | DJJeff | it damages mobs |
| 10:07.32 | DJJeff | and you cant pull the whole thing |
| 10:07.38 | DJJeff | cause 1/2 the mobs die |
| 10:07.44 | DJJeff | on route to the boss |
| 10:07.45 | cbreak | yeah. you don't have to. because they die :) |
| 10:08.06 | cbreak | blizzard is "capped" to 10 targets at the moment I think |
| 10:08.14 | cbreak | if you hit more, the damage you do gets spread out |
| 10:08.18 | cbreak | like meteor effects |
| 10:08.33 | DJJeff | less XP for the lowbie thats /sit ting at the portal waiting for your return |
| 10:08.52 | cbreak | they get XP? |
| 10:08.59 | DJJeff | someone paid me 60 gold |
| 10:09.02 | cbreak | ! |
| 10:09.06 | DJJeff | for one run of RFC |
| 10:09.28 | DJJeff | I peed my pants |
| 10:09.32 | DJJeff | right then and there |
| 10:09.34 | DJJeff | no joke |
| 10:09.46 | DJJeff | most I get is 20 per run |
| 10:09.46 | cbreak | I've had people pay me 10 gold for a simple portal |
| 10:10.07 | DJJeff | portals to Dal I make about 40g on average |
| 10:10.17 | cbreak | ! |
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| 10:10.32 | cbreak | I get between 1 gold and 5 gold usually. |
| 10:10.40 | DJJeff | people are either generous or really fucking noob |
| 10:10.43 | DJJeff | on my server |
| 10:10.46 | cbreak | your server must be very different |
| 10:10.50 | DJJeff | which I take advantage of |
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| 10:26.16 | DJJeff | +81 SP enchant for weapon .... which one is that? |
| 10:27.08 | foxlit | It's not a weapon enchant -- it's a staff enchant. |
| 10:28.13 | DJJeff | ah yes |
| 10:28.15 | DJJeff | thanks |
| 10:28.20 | DJJeff | greater spellpower |
| 10:28.23 | DJJeff | thats the one |
| 10:28.37 | DJJeff | mats are kinda expensive |
| 10:28.38 | DJJeff | X_X |
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| 10:29.19 | DJJeff | can win some of the mats doing randoms and hitting D/E |
| 10:29.41 | foxlit | Honestly, just raid the AH. |
| 10:30.39 | foxlit | Abyss Crystals are where the main costs are, and your farming rate for those in non-ICC heroics would be abysmal. |
| 10:30.40 | cbreak | it's a good enchant |
| 10:30.45 | cbreak | but also look at black magic |
| 10:31.16 | cbreak | my guild gives away abyss for free, we disenchanted so many things during nax, ulduar and totc |
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| 11:32.30 | DJJeff | quick kings amber gives +20 to haste is there a better one then this? |
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| 11:35.53 | olafski | yes, the very quick kings amber |
| 11:36.26 | foxlit | recklessly quick kings amber? |
| 11:36.34 | olafski | that's very expensive though |
| 11:36.36 | olafski | not worth it! |
| 11:50.53 | cbreak | I like red + other gems |
| 11:50.58 | cbreak | mix color or pure red |
| 11:51.57 | Fisker | slaps olafski around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:52.02 | Fisker | did you f them in the a? |
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| 11:53.31 | foxlit | Wow, amazing |
| 11:54.03 | foxlit | They've actually messed up autocomplete in iTunes to the point of making it impossible to disagree with it on capitalization. |
| 11:54.21 | DJJeff | ooooooooooo ouch X_X |
| 11:54.28 | nevcairiel | sounds like xcode autocompletion |
| 11:54.36 | DJJeff | nevcairiel....... |
| 11:54.49 | nevcairiel | seriously, its terrible |
| 11:55.02 | DJJeff | bartender4 made a boo boo |
| 11:55.03 | Fisker | itunes is terrible |
| 11:55.13 | Fisker | so that seems right |
| 11:55.19 | nevcairiel | I'm sure that its a user error |
| 11:55.20 | foxlit | XCode might have an excuse -- autocomplete is optional, and you probably want it to autocomplete. |
| 11:55.53 | DJJeff | I was in trial of the champians on my horsey and then came off my horsey and my pet bar glitched and couldnt put my pet off aggresive X_X |
| 11:55.53 | mikma | 4 noobs, by iApple |
| 11:56.11 | mikma | djjeff: /petaggressive |
| 11:56.14 | DJJeff | wiped the group |
| 11:56.19 | cbreak | better unit frame |
| 11:56.31 | cbreak | and action bar addon |
| 11:56.35 | DJJeff | my pet bar should not break |
| 11:56.38 | DJJeff | it really shouldnt |
| 11:56.52 | cbreak | I have a key to make my pet passive |
| 11:56.54 | nevcairiel | usually you can blame blizzard for those errors |
| 11:56.54 | mikma | but they do |
| 11:57.00 | nevcairiel | their vehicle handling is just wonky |
| 11:57.01 | mikma | even with blizz's frames |
| 11:57.01 | DJJeff | there is no reason for it to have a boo boo |
| 11:57.27 | DJJeff | blizzard needs to fix these problems fuck spending time on cataclysm |
| 11:57.37 | nevcairiel | who cares about pet classes |
| 11:57.41 | DJJeff | people can wait for cata.... I want my unit frames to work |
| 11:57.47 | nevcairiel | also, why do you have your pet on aggressive to begin with |
| 11:59.39 | DJJeff | I thought that having bartender4 installed would bypass blizzards frames to begin with |
| 11:59.45 | DJJeff | thats why I am confused |
| 12:00.08 | DJJeff | still using blizzards vehicle frames tho? |
| 12:00.43 | DJJeff | cause none of my other bars glitched..... like bar 1 2 3 etc |
| 12:00.45 | nevcairiel | only if you enable the vehicle ui |
| 12:00.47 | nevcairiel | i think |
| 12:01.14 | nevcairiel | the whole vehicle deal could use a rewrite, i guess |
| 12:01.23 | nevcairiel | the configuration is a bit confusing |
| 12:01.35 | DJJeff | well there is no need to make a ticket over this cause your in here :) |
| 12:07.13 | mikma | i havei have had lots of vehiclebar problems with default bars |
| 12:08.14 | foxlit | I've had none. |
| 12:09.34 | foxlit | [that is, with all action bars provided by FrameXML] |
| 12:11.46 | nevcairiel | anyone know a fairly simple to setup linux backup script with mysql/pgsql export support, and of course file backups? :d |
| 12:13.00 | DJJeff | I use MySQL GUI Tools for windows for all my MySQL backups :) |
| 12:13.10 | DJJeff | does it nightly |
| 12:13.30 | DJJeff | not reccomended for large database's |
| 12:14.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: yes, very |
| 12:14.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: I have full admin rights to a 16GB AD dataset at work |
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| 12:15.48 | DJJeff | nevcairiel: http://bash.cyberciti.biz/backup/backup-mysql-database-server-2/ |
| 12:15.57 | DJJeff | google is your friend ;) |
| 12:16.05 | DJJeff | also look into using CRON JOBS |
| 12:16.09 | DJJeff | to have it automated |
| 12:16.27 | nevcairiel | i know how to do it manually |
| 12:16.53 | nevcairiel | i want some finished product that i just tell what databases and what path'es to zip up and store somewhere |
| 12:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | mysql gui tools/mysql administrator/mysql workbench |
| 12:23.18 | ScytheBlade1 | you plug in credentials, pick backup, out pops a compressed .sql file |
| 12:23.33 | DJJeff | ^^^^^^^ |
| 12:23.48 | ScytheBlade1 | that is in order of age |
| 12:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | the workbench being the newest |
| 12:23.58 | DJJeff | I dont like the new mysql workbench |
| 12:24.02 | ScytheBlade1 | they areall more or less the same thing |
| 12:24.03 | ScytheBlade1 | me either |
| 12:24.09 | DJJeff | I like the gui tools alot better |
| 12:24.25 | DJJeff | workbench is just too messy and confusing |
| 12:24.31 | nevcairiel | and how does that then automate me also wanting to backup pgsql, and some other random files ..? not helpful :P |
| 12:25.53 | nevcairiel | there has to exist something like that |
| 12:26.10 | DJJeff | damn look at Ackis Recipe List goooooo |
| 12:26.17 | DJJeff | updates almost every few min |
| 12:26.51 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want multiple database product backups |
| 12:26.55 | ScytheBlade1 | man up and script it :p |
| 12:27.28 | nevcairiel | i'm lazy and wanted to avoid that |
| 12:32.13 | DJJeff | why is http://www.steelseries.com/wowm/profiles/ "comming soon" |
| 12:32.20 | DJJeff | seriously what the fuck |
| 12:34.13 | olafski | why not? :S |
| 12:34.25 | nevcairiel | maybe he wants it now |
| 12:34.37 | olafski | that's how things go.. they're not finished instantly ;) |
| 12:34.45 | foxlit | Perhaps he's more annoyed by the spelling. |
| 12:34.55 | olafski | possibly |
| 12:34.56 | nevcairiel | thats his own typo |
| 12:34.57 | olafski | but I doubt it ;) |
| 12:34.58 | foxlit | but no, the page didn't typo it |
| 12:35.20 | DJJeff | coming* |
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| 12:46.42 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 12:46.46 | Fisker | not so hey foxlit |
| 12:47.03 | Fisker | so olafski |
| 12:47.06 | Fisker | did you f them in the a? |
| 12:51.56 | olafski | yes |
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| 13:06.34 | Adys | Need some opinions on a compiled css draft I'm working on, if any web designer is interested: https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+bbN8093mCÂ |
| 13:08.31 | nevcairiel | compiled css? |
| 13:09.08 | Adys | one sec ill just screenshot it, it's not very long |
| 13:09.20 | nevcairiel | the wave doesnt let me read anyway |
| 13:09.25 | nevcairiel | guess you would have to add me first =P |
| 13:09.57 | olafski | it opened c:\program files (x86) for me :P |
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| 13:11.50 | Adys | nevcairiel: http://www.pastethat.com/media/files/2010/06/19/1.png |
| 13:12.30 | nevcairiel | reminds me somewhat of sass |
| 13:12.45 | Adys | ive seen sass |
| 13:13.05 | Adys | but the thing is I need to write a css compiler anyway since I want a minifier and builtin sprite support |
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| 13:25.51 | Maldivia | hmm, so are all the Swedes glued to the TV right now ? :) |
| 13:28.18 | Adys | The lack of answer from any swede would suggest you are correct |
| 13:28.32 | nevcairiel | but then, do we have swedes here to confirm that theory? |
| 13:28.47 | Adys | we can send Kalroth to spy on them |
| 13:29.05 | Kalroth | ILL KILL 'EM WHO NEEDS TO DIE |
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| 13:29.34 | Adys | u |
| 13:30.36 | Maldivia | well, they are after all getting a new Prince to day :P |
| 13:30.51 | nevcairiel | oh that was today |
| 13:31.13 | Maldivia | yeah, the wedding is starting in 5 minutes |
| 13:33.23 | foxlit | Do I have to iterate over all actors if I wanted to figure out who the second highest on threat is? |
| 13:34.25 | Kalroth | Adys: http://kotaku.com/5567413/the-console-wars-in-sexy-comic-book-form |
| 13:34.50 | Adys | old |
| 13:34.53 | Kalroth | :( |
| 13:34.53 | Maldivia | foxlit: think so |
| 13:39.34 | A-KO | I hate buying VGA cables |
| 13:39.38 | A-KO | but we don't have any spare at work :( |
| 13:39.49 | Maldivia | then buy dvi or hdmi instead :P |
| 13:40.45 | A-KO | not gonna work for this :P |
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| 13:50.36 | Fisker | so how much did you f them in the a olafski ? |
| 13:56.51 | foxlit | There appear to be diminishing returns on ReloadUI |
| 14:06.24 | cbreak | and I thought the android platform was fragmented...: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/06/microsofts-embedded-roadmap-clear-in-places-murky-in-others.ars |
| 14:11.16 | olafski | fisker: 8 amounts out of 10 |
| 14:27.12 | MoonWitch | today my mother asked me what I wanted to do once I am thinner -- I told her "have sex, loads of sex" .. I think she'll skip that question next time :P |
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| 14:28.08 | Odah | sup |
| 14:28.24 | MoonWitch | sdown |
| 14:28.33 | Odah | trying to make an XML interface |
| 14:28.40 | Odah | can someone help me out? total noob :o |
| 14:29.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Why am I looking at impulse purchasing xmlspy? |
| 14:29.15 | MoonWitch | has never written an xml interface in wow .. sorry |
| 14:29.29 | Odah | :( |
| 14:29.40 | Odah | i got down the making an addon part |
| 14:29.49 | Odah | but the making an interface for it is another story |
| 14:30.06 | foxlit | We are more what you might call a reference resource. |
| 14:30.15 | MoonWitch | i found the xml to be so annoying I just used lua to make the interface too :P |
| 14:30.42 | foxlit | [In that you probably should ask specific questions rather than general ones] |
| 14:30.48 | MoonWitch | now please excuse me while I carry on epilating and screaming in agony |
| 14:31.24 | Odah | can you make an interface with LUA? like i got 2 slash commands, /autoinvite and /autoinvite <keyword> |
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| 14:33.28 | nevcairiel | you can do nearly everything without xml |
| 14:34.21 | Odah | i honestly have no idea how |
| 14:34.26 | Odah | just learned some basic LUA =\ |
| 14:35.47 | Odah | could someone convo with me and help me make a simple, very basic LUA or XML interface? |
| 14:36.01 | haste | It's Lua, not LUA |
| 14:36.08 | Odah | sorry :( |
| 14:36.23 | haste | and I'd suggest that you just look at someones UI code instead |
| 14:36.52 | Odah | that could work |
| 14:36.55 | Odah | didnt think of that =\ |
| 14:37.02 | haste | there's also |
| 14:37.05 | haste | ~wowprogramming |
| 14:37.08 | purl | [wowprogramming] World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 14:38.35 | Odah | :o thanks |
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| 14:44.53 | foxlit | So I managed to kill my mana bar anchoring by removing global names for the things they were anchored to. :/ |
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| 14:49.03 | Witchsong | I'm looking at some LUA code related to actionbars, and I was wondering what's the difference between the _G["MultiBarBottomLeftButton"..i] and _G["ActionButton"..i].. As I understand it, the ActionButton refers to the button on the main bar, but isn't that the bottom left bar, i.e. same as MultiBarBottomLeftButton? |
| 14:49.55 | foxlit | Witchsong: there are also additional bottom left/right bars that you can enable in interface options; those display above the main bar. |
| 14:50.46 | foxlit | [just pointing out that bottom left isn't necessarily main] |
| 14:51.42 | Witchsong | But there is also _G["MultiBarLeftButton"..i], which I assumed would be the one above the main bar, as this one doesn't say Bottom anywhere... |
| 14:52.16 | Witchsong | Is there any sort of documentation on these button variables, which more clearly explains what each of these global variables refer to? |
| 14:52.56 | foxlit | No. FrameXML documentation is scarce in general; you could extract and read the code, though |
| 14:53.47 | foxlit | MultiBarBottomLeft is the extra-bar-above-main-bar |
| 14:53.57 | foxlit | MultiBarLeft is "Left of the Right extra bar" |
| 14:54.13 | Witchsong | Oh, I see. |
| 14:54.22 | foxlit | "Right Bar 2" |
| 14:55.22 | Witchsong | Then the only bar left that confuses me is the _G["BonusActionButton"..i] |
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| 14:56.05 | Witchsong | Is that the bar you get when you shift-scroll, where it replaces the main bar with another one? |
| 14:58.52 | foxlit | surprisingly, yes |
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| 15:07.10 | Odah | still cant figure out how to stick my code in that damn ui |
| 15:30.03 | cbreak | make an addon |
| 15:30.22 | cbreak | if you want to add code to the user interface, write an addon for it |
| 15:39.27 | Odah | does anyone know if you need to ZIP up your files and upload that to the CurseForge website or do you upload each file individually |
| 15:40.14 | cbreak | make an archive |
| 15:40.18 | haste | zip, unless you're pushing commits |
| 15:40.26 | Odah | ok, thanks |
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| 15:41.40 | Odah | rar files are not allowed =\ |
| 15:42.06 | cbreak | maybe tar.gz or zip |
| 15:42.16 | Odah | ohhh tar |
| 15:42.22 | Odah | ah shoot what program is that |
| 15:42.30 | cbreak | I try to stay away from curse |
| 15:42.39 | cbreak | it's UI is a mess |
| 15:42.44 | Odah | looks like a may need to do the same |
| 15:43.17 | Odah | well tar.gz is linux right |
| 15:43.49 | cbreak | it's a gziped tar. |
| 15:44.09 | Odah | =\ |
| 15:44.16 | Odah | im a big time nub |
| 15:44.32 | Cairenn | feel free to upload to WoWI as well |
| 15:44.53 | Fisker | lol |
| 15:45.02 | Odah | true, true |
| 15:45.27 | Fisker | i like all the FUD soup being cooked on Google's WiFi data |
| 15:45.43 | A-KO | Fisker: they act like it's Google's fault :P |
| 15:45.53 | A-KO | when they're the ones broadcasting their public data all over the area anyway |
| 15:46.06 | A-KO | last time I checked, they don't own radio waves.. |
| 15:46.15 | Fisker | http://hardocp.com/news/2010/06/19/googles_street_view_wifi_data_included_passwords |
| 15:46.17 | Fisker | this is funny |
| 15:46.21 | Fisker | More damning evidence against Google in that WiFi data siphoning case. Looks like they were collecting far more information than previously thought. |
| 15:46.27 | Fisker | "However, we can already state that [...] Google did indeed record email access passwords [and] extracts of the content of email messages," CNIL said. |
| 15:46.34 | cbreak | It's google's fault to have stored it |
| 15:46.37 | Fisker | That's exactly what google said was the likely payload data they had gotten |
| 15:46.38 | cbreak | it's their fault to have sent it |
| 15:46.56 | nevcairiel | seriously who still uses pop3 without ssl |
| 15:47.00 | A-KO | What exactly was Google intending to do with this info? |
| 15:47.08 | Fisker | nothing |
| 15:47.18 | cbreak | location resolution |
| 15:47.24 | Fisker | oh that |
| 15:47.28 | A-KO | so pretty much they were driving around with kismet running, saved to logs, and people are crying :P |
| 15:47.45 | cbreak | so you can use your iThing without phone/gps, or your android thing and find out where you are |
| 15:47.47 | A-KO | welcome to what every computer nerd has been doing for years |
| 15:47.48 | Odah | i like how winzip's compression is 25% more KB then winrar's |
| 15:47.48 | cbreak | from the MAC |
| 15:47.52 | Fisker | yeah A-KO |
| 15:47.58 | cbreak | of the WLan base station you are connected to |
| 15:48.26 | Fisker | as far as i know it's far easier and efficient to get the data using payload packets anyway |
| 15:48.36 | Fisker | scanning for AP's is slower i think |
| 15:48.52 | cbreak | you just need any packet |
| 15:49.01 | cbreak | I am not sure if MAC is encrypted |
| 15:49.09 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 15:49.18 | cbreak | even with WEP or WPA |
| 15:49.26 | nevcairiel | the layer2 part is not encrypted |
| 15:50.01 | A-KO | man |
| 15:50.05 | A-KO | if these people only knew |
| 15:50.10 | A-KO | hell I do this in my neighborhood sometimes |
| 15:50.14 | A-KO | drive around with kismet running |
| 15:50.22 | A-KO | or rather, I'll focus on a channel--won't even channel surf, set to 6 |
| 15:50.24 | A-KO | and let it roll :P |
| 15:50.32 | nevcairiel | they probably just caught totally un-encrypted wifis |
| 15:50.34 | Shirik | just hit his first pending changes bug :( |
| 15:50.37 | A-KO | that's all they did nevcairiel |
| 15:50.53 | nevcairiel | i mean, seriously, if you run that, its your own damn fault |
| 15:50.55 | A-KO | every starbucks, mcdonalds, bookstore, coffee shop has unencrypted wifi |
| 15:51.03 | A-KO | it's a "hacker's" dream :P |
| 15:51.19 | A-KO | you don't have to bother breaking into a network to get information, they broadcast it right to you! |
| 15:51.37 | cbreak | There's AP isolation |
| 15:51.54 | cbreak | not that that will help you if you're unencrypted |
| 15:52.15 | A-KO | yeah, big whoop--it's still radio waves, all you gotta do is tune to the right channels..I mean... |
| 15:52.22 | A-KO | so they can't "talk" to me, no big deal.. |
| 15:52.57 | A-KO | honestly, I don't see anything wrong with what google was doing--don't trust public wifi points openly, or rather, understand the limitations behind them |
| 15:53.14 | A-KO | understand that in a world of open communication and super fast communication there exists a lower reasonable level of privacy |
| 15:53.18 | cbreak | recording people isn't really legal |
| 15:53.24 | cbreak | without their knowledge at least |
| 15:53.48 | cbreak | (I think you're not even allowed to record your own phone conversation without telling the other party) |
| 15:53.55 | cbreak | well, depends on local law I guess |
| 15:53.58 | A-KO | some states it's legal |
| 15:54.06 | nevcairiel | If you stream your passwords over unencrypted wifi, someone will eventually record it =p |
| 15:54.35 | Fisker | But obviously google only mentioned e-mails |
| 15:54.48 | Fisker | since that's like the only thing assbackwards enough to yet not use SSL widespread yet |
| 15:54.51 | nevcairiel | emails obviously also include the pop3 passwords |
| 15:55.10 | nevcairiel | but seriously, i wouldnt touch a non-ssl pop3 server |
| 15:55.22 | Fisker | i've yet to see a provider here provide it |
| 15:55.32 | Fisker | or atleast mention it in their official support documents |
| 15:55.56 | Fisker | of course i can just use gmail :P |
| 15:56.01 | Fisker | but then they already know my password omg |
| 15:56.17 | nevcairiel | i use gmail for some stuff, self-hosted mail servers for others |
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| 15:56.58 | A-KO | most providers provide SSL in some way |
| 15:57.02 | A-KO | they just don't make it the default nor make it easy |
| 15:57.33 | A-KO | Comcast has provided ssl for years but it's cryptically hidden |
| 15:57.47 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 15:57.47 | nevcairiel | hidden? like, a non standard port? |
| 15:57.47 | Shirik | sup |
| 15:58.09 | cbreak | I don't even know where to look up the law on recording communication here... |
| 15:58.16 | cbreak | there should be a law wiki. |
| 15:58.35 | A-KO | nevcairiel: hidden in their documentation, not easy to find on their site |
| 15:58.41 | A-KO | you gotta know to look for it (usually google) :P |
| 15:58.51 | nevcairiel | so just tick the ssl box in your client and see what happens? =P |
| 15:58.53 | A-KO | and I think they do use non-standard ports.. |
| 15:58.56 | A-KO | or they did |
| 15:58.59 | A-KO | they might not now |
| 15:59.49 | cbreak | when I wanted to use SSL for IMAP on my server, I had to find the correct domain name first |
| 16:00.07 | nevcairiel | well sure, otherwise the cert is invalid |
| 16:00.10 | cbreak | since it's on a shared host, and of course, the server can only have one SSL certificate |
| 16:00.35 | cbreak | it would be easier if it was a dedicated server... but they are so expensive... :) |
| 16:00.46 | foxlit | ... weapon enchants are weird |
| 16:02.38 | Fisker | Shirik sup |
| 16:03.01 | Fisker | our provider atleast doesn't say anything about SSL, nor does the standard SSL ports work |
| 16:05.18 | cbreak | portscan the server :) |
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| 16:11.38 | Shirik | I'm sure your ISP would love that |
| 16:11.41 | Shirik | hi Seerah |
| 16:11.50 | Seerah | hi, Shirik |
| 16:11.57 | Shirik | gahhh |
| 16:11.59 | Shirik | it's only 9 AM |
| 16:12.03 | Shirik | why can't I go back to slee |
| 16:12.04 | Shirik | p |
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| 16:12.47 | Seerah | Is your brain still stuck on EST? :p |
| 16:13.11 | kd3 | oh wow, that was awesome. just went ziplining down a half-mile long cord... probably hit 50-60mph |
| 16:13.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: you west coast now? |
| 16:13.58 | Shirik | no actually I invented a time machine |
| 16:14.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: what about windows DCs? |
| 16:14.13 | Shirik | but seriously I've been west coast for like 4 weeks now |
| 16:14.16 | Seerah | now, now... don't be grumpy :) |
| 16:14.36 | Shirik | It's just that getting up every morning at 6:30 AM |
| 16:14.45 | Thunder_Child | where west caost? |
| 16:14.46 | Shirik | has apparently convinced my body that saturdays are days for work too |
| 16:14.47 | Wobin | kd3, You hit that speed where you realise "If I let go... there aint nothing going to save me?" =) |
| 16:14.50 | Shirik | hood river, OR |
| 16:14.51 | Thunder_Child | coast* |
| 16:14.52 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 16:14.53 | Shirik | I broke it |
| 16:14.54 | Shirik | ok |
| 16:15.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Do tell! |
| 16:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | This could be as bad as the battlecruisers |
| 16:15.06 | kd3 | nope. especially considering I was a few hundred feet up at the time too |
| 16:15.09 | Shirik | So like, I have this file on a server we'll call 'Foo' |
| 16:15.14 | kd3 | that was amazing. I'm still on an adrenaline high |
| 16:15.20 | Shirik | It's at \\foo\bar\file.txt |
| 16:15.21 | kd3 | http://historicbanningmills.com/canopy.html |
| 16:15.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay |
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| 16:15.49 | Shirik | The permissions on that file are such that DOMAIN\Group has "modify" permissions |
| 16:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay |
| 16:15.58 | Wobin | There's a lot of screaming on that page =P |
| 16:16.10 | kd3 | has javascript turned off, so... |
| 16:16.19 | Shirik | I wasn't able to modify the file (which I need to, because it's a floating license file) so I contact IT and they added me to that group (I should have been in it in the first place, but whatever) |
| 16:16.26 | Shirik | however I still can't modify it |
| 16:16.42 | Shirik | I type `net user myname /domain` and I see "*Group" under "Global groups" |
| 16:16.52 | ScytheBlade1 | right-click the file, properties, security, advanced, "Effective Permissions" |
| 16:16.53 | Shirik | but every time I open it in vim, it comes up as [readonly] |
| 16:16.54 | cbreak | did you reboot? |
| 16:16.56 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:16.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Also keep in mind that there are two ACLs in place |
| 16:17.00 | ScytheBlade1 | One being the file system |
| 16:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Two being the share |
| 16:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | You need write access to both |
| 16:17.29 | Shirik | ok if it hasn't been resolved by monday I'll check effective permissions |
| 16:17.33 | Shirik | I can't get to it until then |
| 16:17.59 | Shirik | also |
| 16:18.02 | Shirik | floating licenses are such a hack |
| 16:18.04 | Shirik | at least this one is |
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| 16:18.20 | cbreak | you can copy it and change the clone |
| 16:18.36 | Shirik | I tried copying it to my desktop, and it works except that it then goes "This file must be located at \\foo\bar\file.txt to be valid" |
| 16:18.48 | Shirik | so I'm sitting there like "So couldn't I just reroute \\foo to myself and it would work?" |
| 16:18.57 | ScytheBlade1 | .......... |
| 16:18.58 | cbreak | maybe you can map some volume at that path |
| 16:19.04 | Shirik | exactly |
| 16:19.13 | ScytheBlade1 | also, powershell is awesome |
| 16:19.18 | cbreak | no |
| 16:19.23 | cbreak | it's so weird |
| 16:19.26 | Shirik | agree with awesomeness in powershell |
| 16:19.35 | cbreak | I like bash much more |
| 16:20.13 | Shirik | also |
| 16:20.30 | Shirik | I found out yesterday that my boss's emails all get filtered to a folder |
| 16:20.33 | Shirik | so I've been ignoring him |
| 16:20.56 | ScytheBlade1 | $d = $data.Get_Item($group) $item = $searcher.findone() foreach ($computer in $group) { $computerName = $computer.split(",")[0].split(".")[2] if ($computerName.length -gt 0) { [void]$d.Add($computerName, @{}) } else { [void]$d.Add($computer.split(",")[0].split("=")[1], @{}) } } |
| 16:21.00 | Shirik | outlook rules are very odd |
| 16:21.00 | cbreak | blame who ever set up that filter |
| 16:21.00 | ScytheBlade1 | totally awesome |
| 16:21.48 | Shirik | see |
| 16:21.50 | Shirik | why |
| 16:21.56 | Shirik | why do we have to invent a new language for EVERYTHING |
| 16:22.08 | Shirik | there are a bunch of perfectly good languages that could have been incorporated into that |
| 16:22.10 | ScytheBlade1 | outlook rules are VB script |
| 16:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 16:22.14 | ScytheBlade1 | .. |
| 16:22.20 | cbreak | curse of the tower of bable |
| 16:22.23 | cbreak | babel? |
| 16:23.24 | ScytheBlade1 | babel |
| 16:26.30 | Tentacled | babble |
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| 16:36.48 | MoonWitch | tickles Cairenn |
| 16:37.01 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 16:37.08 | MoonWitch | hugs Cairenn |
| 16:37.11 | MoonWitch | goodmorning? |
| 16:37.24 | Cairenn | hugs MoonWitch, hi hi |
| 16:37.40 | MoonWitch | Seerah: ping |
| 16:37.52 | MoonWitch | I have found the ideal torture device btw |
| 16:38.19 | Cairenn | I heard |
| 16:38.21 | Cairenn | ouchie |
| 16:38.33 | MoonWitch | surprisingly bikini line isn't bad |
| 16:38.41 | MoonWitch | but behind the knee ... |
| 16:38.48 | MoonWitch | my god what pain (yes I did scream) |
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| 16:39.34 | MoonWitch | no men even attempts to make a funny comment on this.. I love it |
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| 16:41.10 | MoonWitch | ah |
| 16:41.12 | MoonWitch | that was why |
| 16:41.18 | MoonWitch | alestane wasn't in yet |
| 16:41.20 | MoonWitch | hey alestane |
| 16:41.33 | alestane | waves at MoonWitch. |
| 16:43.42 | Shirik | is not evil :( |
| 16:44.46 | alestane | That's good, you can work for Google. |
| 16:45.32 | tem | MoonWitch, you want to elaborate on what the ideal torture device actually is? |
| 16:45.51 | tem | I assume it's some kind of hair removal technique |
| 16:46.16 | tem | P.S. I didn't realize I had hair behind my knee until just now. |
| 16:48.30 | Seerah | waves at MoonWitch |
| 16:48.51 | Seerah | tem: hard spot to shave |
| 16:48.57 | Cairenn | epilating |
| 16:49.04 | Cairenn | even worse than shaving :p |
| 16:49.07 | Maldivia | hmm, and if the person hasn't talked by the time all hair is gone, then what? |
| 16:49.12 | tem | hair removal creme? |
| 16:49.45 | tem | Cairenn, ^? |
| 16:49.48 | Cairenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epilator |
| 16:49.58 | tem | oh christ |
| 16:50.02 | tem | keep it away from me |
| 16:50.33 | Cairenn | basically, grab the hair with kinda wire type thingies, wind the hair around the wire and yank it out, root and all |
| 16:52.04 | tem | please no |
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| 16:52.12 | tem | I'd rather be hairy |
| 16:52.12 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 16:52.16 | MoonWitch | hey Seerah :) |
| 16:52.33 | MoonWitch | well for a woman who's getting surgery and will be unable to shave for a while, you're out of options |
| 16:52.55 | tem | what kind of surgery? |
| 16:54.17 | MoonWitch | gastric bypass |
| 16:54.27 | MoonWitch | and for this, I want to be looking decent naked |
| 16:54.36 | Cairenn | hugs MoonWitch |
| 17:01.31 | Wobin | yeah, back of the knee is surprisingly tender |
| 17:04.20 | A-KO | anyone here play LoL? |
| 17:06.26 | zenzelezz | lols A-KO |
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| 17:23.21 | mikma | a-ko: well lol, i just played wow |
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| 17:40.58 | Thunder_Child | A-KO: yes |
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| 17:51.00 | Odah | can someone help me make a GUI from Lua for my addon? |
| 17:51.04 | Odah | or XML which ever |
| 17:51.31 | alestane | Depends which you're familiar with, unless you have a lot of very repetitive elements. |
| 17:51.44 | alestane | I usually make templates in XML and instantiate them from Lua on demand. |
| 17:51.59 | Odah | see i have no idea what so ever about guis |
| 17:52.04 | Odah | i've used slash commands since ever |
| 17:52.14 | Odah | which is since last week :P |
| 17:54.03 | alestane | Well, are you new to creating command GUIs, display GUIs or both? |
| 17:54.20 | Shirik | not XML! |
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| 17:54.36 | Odah | command GUIs |
| 17:54.40 | Odah | i got 2 slash commands |
| 17:54.53 | Odah | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.18 | Odah | i want a way to toggle /aki (on off button for the auto invite addon) and a input box for /aki keyword |
| 17:55.25 | Odah | thats really it |
| 17:55.30 | Odah | so people dont have to remember the commands |
| 17:56.36 | alestane | So, have a button somewhere, and maybe an edit box that pops up when you hover over the button. |
| 17:57.09 | Odah | i was thinking the edit box right there below that toggle button |
| 17:57.27 | Odah | i just dont understand how i can make it in the Interface -> Addons catagory |
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| 17:58.05 | Tuller | Shirik: XML is not evil :P |
| 17:58.06 | alestane | That's a little more complicated, but doable...you make a frame that has your controls in it, and register it to the interface panels. |
| 17:58.09 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:58.35 | Odah | i can make the frame, but whats the line sfor the panel? either im blind or i cant find it |
| 17:58.37 | alestane | My add-on Goose show the basics of doing this, although parts of it are a little buggy. It should be able to point you in the right direction. |
| 17:58.56 | Cairenn | train |
| 17:59.00 | Odah | is it on curse or wowi? |
| 17:59.03 | Shirik | Tuller: Yes it is |
| 17:59.13 | alestane | WoWI has the current version. |
| 17:59.16 | Shadowed | for addons it's pretty evil |
| 17:59.22 | Odah | sounds great, thanks alot |
| 17:59.58 | Lunessa | XML is not evil! Slightly wicked, but not /evil/. |
| 18:00.10 | Shirik | We use XML for everything at work |
| 18:00.13 | Shirik | I refuse to use it for fun too |
| 18:00.18 | Shadowed | XML is like the stepmother who locks you in a castle |
| 18:00.21 | Odah | "evil" ? |
| 18:00.24 | Odah | its not evil |
| 18:00.25 | Shadowed | sure it's possible she means well |
| 18:00.30 | Shadowed | but you'd still rather push her down a flight of stairs |
| 18:00.36 | Shirik | ^ |
| 18:00.53 | Lunessa | Don't hold back Shadowed, tell us how you really feel. |
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| 18:00.58 | alestane | ~XML |
| 18:00.59 | purl | Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use XML.' Now they have two problems. |
| 18:01.03 | Shirik | lol. |
| 18:01.05 | Shadowed | truth |
| 18:01.12 | nevcairiel | ~regex |
| 18:01.13 | purl | methinks regex is ^[$%]?s/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\\\\\\\)+/.*[^\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]/[i]?$ |
| 18:01.22 | nevcairiel | too bad, doesnt have the same thing in ti =P |
| 18:01.37 | Shirik | funny thing |
| 18:01.40 | Shirik | Minion uses XML |
| 18:01.49 | nevcairiel | And regex? |
| 18:01.53 | Shirik | and regex yes |
| 18:02.01 | nevcairiel | must be an evil app |
| 18:02.11 | Shirik | actually I think it uses regex to check certain aspects of the XML |
| 18:02.27 | nevcairiel | ew |
| 18:02.30 | nevcairiel | even worse |
| 18:02.48 | Shirik | well XML was a great idea |
| 18:02.54 | Shirik | until I realized the security vulnerability associated with it |
| 18:03.06 | Shirik | then I had to implement a layer in between modules and the XML writer |
| 18:03.06 | alestane | I think the other choice says "XML is like violence; if it isn't working, you aren't using enough of it." |
| 18:03.48 | Odah | can someone tell me how the hell do people in WG have 100k hp |
| 18:03.59 | Shirik | tenacity |
| 18:04.00 | Lunessa | There is no problem in the known universe which cannot be magnified by the use of XML. |
| 18:04.00 | Odah | entire horde team got it but allies dont |
| 18:04.12 | nevcairiel | the team with less people gets buffed |
| 18:04.21 | Odah | boo |
| 18:04.23 | Odah | humbug |
| 18:04.27 | Shirik | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=59911 |
| 18:04.39 | Lunessa | ^^ |
| 18:04.42 | nevcairiel | its been in there since wotlk launch, where did you live ? =p |
| 18:05.12 | Shirik | ^' |
| 18:05.16 | mikma | yey rouge is almost 76! |
| 18:05.30 | Odah | i've lived here but didnt care for pvp |
| 18:05.39 | Thunder_Child | heathen |
| 18:05.45 | Odah | another question, i got corporal 6, when is the next promo? |
| 18:06.00 | mikma | never |
| 18:06.11 | Odah | rly? |
| 18:06.16 | mikma | ya |
| 18:06.23 | nevcairiel | there is only like 3 ranks or so |
| 18:06.26 | Odah | so i cant build heavy weapons |
| 18:06.48 | nevcairiel | just hover over the buff, the tooltip will tell you |
| 18:07.04 | Odah | simply says further ppopy will make you droopy |
| 18:07.09 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: To me PVP is equivalent to slathering myself up with wild honey and running through bear caves. |
| 18:07.11 | Odah | nothing usefull |
| 18:07.26 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: lots of fun? |
| 18:07.29 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: so, fun? |
| 18:07.49 | Lunessa | You are some sick, twisted, freaks. I |
| 18:07.57 | Lunessa | I knew I liked you guys for a reason. |
| 18:08.12 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:08.12 | Thunder_Child | feels all warm and fuzzy |
| 18:08.32 | Tuller | i would have said warm and sticky |
| 18:08.47 | Tuller | (running + honey) |
| 18:08.52 | Lunessa | Yeah, but Tuller you confuse bacon and cheese. |
| 18:08.59 | Tuller | bacon is a cheese |
| 18:09.32 | Lunessa | I rest my case. |
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| 18:11.12 | Shirik | so I'm sitting on MSN chatting with someone |
| 18:11.17 | Shirik | and then they say "oh you went offline :(" |
| 18:11.29 | Shirik | but I'm still there, and talking, going "wtf" |
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| 18:12.02 | Shirik | so I accuse them of lying |
| 18:12.13 | Shirik | and the response is "I'd prove it to you with a screenshot, BUT YOU'RE OFFLINE" |
| 18:12.23 | Shirik | MSN fails so much |
| 18:12.34 | Torhal | Shirik: So, how many reality-challenged people do you talk to on a regular basis? |
| 18:12.44 | Shirik | I know this person |
| 18:12.45 | Lunessa | Apparently a lot of them. |
| 18:12.50 | Shirik | just it's annoying to use the phone |
| 18:12.55 | Shirik | have to remember all those numbers and shit |
| 18:13.26 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:13.34 | Cide | I wish they would invent some way to manage contacts on phones |
| 18:14.15 | Shirik | yeah like an address book |
| 18:14.18 | Shirik | you know how nice that would be? |
| 18:14.28 | Lunessa | oh wait... |
| 18:14.40 | Shirik | I have a blackberry |
| 18:14.44 | Shirik | I just use blackberry messenger |
| 18:14.47 | Shirik | rather than calling people |
| 18:15.58 | Lunessa | I should give you my id code. |
| 18:16.05 | alestane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_system |
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| 18:17.27 | Cairenn | courtesy KarlKFI: http://gamingbolt.com/2010/06/18/bp-oil-fiasco-rendered-using-unreal-engine/ |
| 18:18.01 | alestane | I got that one from Rislyn. |
| 18:20.27 | Shirik | that's cool |
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| 18:21.16 | Fisker | NSFW tags Cairenn |
| 18:21.18 | Fisker | pl0x |
| 18:21.33 | KarlKFI | this armor's cool too. stops most rounds and has sensors to detect degredation and impact velocity: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/25/dragon-skin-body-armor-gains-piezoelectric-sensors-keeps-bullet/ |
| 18:23.07 | Thunder_Child | i have been wanting that armor for a while now |
| 18:23.35 | batrick | as if Fisker works |
| 18:23.41 | Lunessa | that rendering was interesting. |
| 18:23.53 | Fisker | NSFMM then batrick |
| 18:24.03 | Thunder_Child | Job: troll, Description: troll. |
| 18:24.43 | Fisker | if i were getting paid for being a troll i'd be richer than Bill Gates |
| 18:25.02 | batrick | not if the quality were taken into account |
| 18:25.03 | Thunder_Child | not really, there are far better trolls than you |
| 18:28.33 | Lunessa | Seriously. |
| 18:31.39 | Odah | can someone with a little time on their hands help me out with my gui? |
| 18:34.21 | Wobin | Cairenn, crazy |
| 18:34.37 | Wobin | for a moment about a 1/3 of the way in, it looked like we were travelling -down- |
| 18:34.37 | Thunder_Child | ok the california gurls music vid is......very odd |
| 18:34.39 | Wobin | not up |
| 18:34.45 | Wobin | with the oil barrels |
| 18:40.22 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Yeah, just what I need in my life, a girl who sprays whipped cream topping from both breasts. |
| 18:41.17 | Zyn | Fisker , sort your team out, that pass was dire |
| 18:43.39 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjcFQquHipE&feature=player_embedded |
| 18:43.42 | Wobin | awwwwesome |
| 18:44.58 | Lunessa | massive skill. Too much free time. |
| 18:45.16 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: i was ok with it (though it was odd) till that point, thats when i lost all respect for it |
| 18:45.45 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: The candy land theme was cute... then it got nasty/gross. |
| 18:46.07 | Lunessa | Then I listened to the lyrics. Not much better. |
| 18:46.09 | Fisker | well Zyn |
| 18:46.13 | Fisker | they're beyond redemption |
| 18:46.18 | Fisker | they're playing Counter-Strike |
| 18:46.30 | Thunder_Child | eh, i actually found them eating the gingerbread man to be amusing |
| 18:46.43 | Fisker | Thunder_Child only the best troll ever would have people believe there are better trolls |
| 18:47.27 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 18:47.32 | Fisker | give FRF72 already |
| 18:48.09 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: spy maybe, not troll |
| 18:48.18 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 18:48.35 | Fisker | http://gizmodo.com/5567770/onlive-streaming-game-service-tested-at-home-finally <-btw lols |
| 18:48.36 | Thunder_Child | the best troll would mean you didnt even know you were getting trolled |
| 18:48.58 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l31r6dsITm1qzou5ko1_500.jpg *rarrslurpraar* |
| 18:49.10 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:49.38 | Fisker | exactly Thunder_Child |
| 18:49.49 | Wobin | nah |
| 18:50.04 | batrick | Any AFS users out there? |
| 18:50.05 | Wobin | the best troll is when you don't know you're being trolled, but everyone else does |
| 18:50.20 | Fisker | AFS batrick ? |
| 18:50.27 | batrick | andrew file system |
| 18:50.53 | Fisker | sweet |
| 18:51.51 | Fisker | when was the new season of futurama again, thursday right? |
| 18:52.02 | Thunder_Child | did you make sure to see the movies |
| 18:52.03 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 18:52.07 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:52.35 | Fisker | don't tell me they're going to waste a couple of months going through the movies first |
| 18:52.44 | Thunder_Child | they should have already |
| 18:52.50 | Lunessa | Seerah: Bringing the snark. |
| 18:52.56 | Thunder_Child | the were split up into 4 parts each |
| 18:52.59 | Thunder_Child | they* |
| 18:53.02 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25482099344&sid=1 |
| 18:53.26 | Fisker | yeah i heard something about it being run as a series |
| 18:53.35 | Fisker | it was like an unofficial season 6 or something |
| 18:53.35 | Fisker | :P |
| 18:54.00 | Thunder_Child | yes, but as i watched them as movies i dont know if they were actualyl aired |
| 18:54.44 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/funny-pictures-cat-calls-you-redundant.jpg |
| 18:54.55 | Wobin | that is ridiculously cute |
| 18:55.25 | Lunessa | http://notalwaysright.com/in-a-lone-star-drunken-state/5859 |
| 18:55.56 | Lunessa | That's right. Liquor and guns in every store bitches. |
| 18:56.56 | nevcairiel | a texan considers wine alcohol? |
| 18:57.03 | nevcairiel | somehow i thought different about them |
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| 19:03.26 | Thunder_Child | it would be even more awesome if it was a buy one get one free. eg. buy one gun get one unit of liquor free. |
| 19:04.13 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Actually, I'm just agreeing with the sentiment that booze should be available everywhere. |
| 19:04.39 | nevcairiel | you mean, like here? :) |
| 19:05.09 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: You're in the netherlands? |
| 19:05.17 | nevcairiel | nop, germany |
| 19:05.33 | kd3 | mmm... summer, the time of daily pop-up thunderstorms |
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| 19:06.01 | Lunessa | I'll pass. Germany, while nice to occasionally visit still fails to understand basic human and civil rights very well. :P |
| 19:06.20 | nevcairiel | like what? |
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| 19:06.43 | nevcairiel | its always fun to hear what USiasn think about our country =p |
| 19:07.12 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I don't like visiting countries that make religions a crime. |
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| 19:07.49 | nevcairiel | ..huh? |
| 19:07.56 | alestane | http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-17861.html |
| 19:07.58 | nevcairiel | I wish that would be true |
| 19:08.02 | nevcairiel | religion is stupid |
| 19:08.04 | nevcairiel | but it isnt =P |
| 19:08.09 | Lunessa | alestane: That is pretty funny. |
| 19:08.20 | Lunessa | Though I had to look up the first drug. |
| 19:09.19 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: *shrug* plenty of media coverage on the events I'm slyly alluding to, from the late 90s early 2000s. Germany, nice to visit. No way in hell I'd live there. |
| 19:09.52 | nevcairiel | I would never live in the US, for that matter |
| 19:09.59 | nevcairiel | but i still have no fucking idea what you are refering to |
| 19:10.28 | Lunessa | http://smittenkitchen.com/2010/06/bread-and-butter-pickles/ |
| 19:10.41 | Lunessa | Oh man... this woman makes all the foods I love. |
| 19:11.10 | alestane | Yeah, not so o to confuse the prescription relaxants with the amphetamines. |
| 19:12.34 | kd3 | ooh. yah. bad thing to mix up there |
| 19:13.43 | Lunessa | Seriously. If you had plans to study, you're now into the "call it a day and get a long nap" instead phase. |
| 19:13.57 | foxlit | nevcairiel: "Since the 1990s, German courts have several times denied the request of the Jehovah's Witnesses to become a corporate body under public law for various reasons, one of them that the Jehovah's Witnesses would discourage their members from taking part in state elections and would not respect the Grundgesetz." is the closest I can find on wikipedia. |
| 19:14.37 | nevcairiel | not respecting our constitution is a valid reason for not allowing them, no? |
| 19:15.44 | Lunessa | So, if Catholics recognize the Pope as a higher authority than the German government, and they collect tithes... should they also be illegal? |
| 19:16.00 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 19:16.02 | Cairenn | reminds everyone that religion and politics are two hot-button topics and while debate is fine, keep it civil |
| 19:16.05 | nevcairiel | but i'm not really pro-religion |
| 19:16.23 | nevcairiel | imho, religion and politics should be absolutely seperate |
| 19:16.40 | nevcairiel | i dont like how religion has such a strong influence on politics |
| 19:16.43 | Lunessa | *shrug* I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just pointing out that religious freedom is critical in my choice of place of residence. |
| 19:16.50 | Fisker | flames everyone with religion |
| 19:16.59 | nevcairiel | You're free to join their religion |
| 19:17.05 | Lunessa | Notice I don't want to live in China, Korea, most of the middle East, etc. |
| 19:17.07 | Seerah | Lunessa: I wouldn't exactly call that "snarky"........ Just showing them what's wrong on a nice page that gives them other options. :D |
| 19:17.18 | Cide | the combination of religion and politics -- relitics -- is the worst though |
| 19:17.26 | kd3 | ^ |
| 19:17.31 | nevcairiel | No-one says the religion is illegal |
| 19:17.43 | Fisker | I'm pretty sure that a religion where i murder people would be unsupported by my government as well |
| 19:17.51 | Lunessa | Seerah: I like that it was a lmwhtfy link |
| 19:17.51 | nevcairiel | they just didnt get recognized as a legal entitiy because they dont respect the constituion, makes sense to me |
| 19:18.45 | foxlit | It would seem that recognizing you as a legal entity and then prosecuting you for not respecting the constitution would be better than not recognizing you as a legal entity. |
| 19:18.56 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 19:20.44 | kd3|hate`net | yay power blinks taking out upstream |
| 19:23.14 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:26.38 | Seerah | Lunessa: oh crap! There IS a lmwhtfy site |
| 19:26.41 | Seerah | forgot :( |
| 19:26.42 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmC9JOcaofI - John Cleese rules. |
| 19:28.09 | alestane | http://smittenkitchen.com/2009/07/blueberry-boy-bait/ I like the name |
| 19:29.59 | Seerah | looks tasty :) |
| 19:30.40 | Lunessa | http://failblog.org/2010/06/18/epic-fail-photos-driving-fail-7-4/ - How did they even DO this? |
| 19:31.28 | kd3 | going pretty damn quick and clipping into the handle to open the gate? |
| 19:32.17 | Lunessa | I mean, seriously... that's... epic. |
| 19:32.49 | alestane | Rear-wheel drive? |
| 19:33.04 | Corrodias2 | or going fast enough to be yanked upward by the bending gate |
| 19:33.09 | alestane | Random geeky text: http://textsfromlastnight.com/Text-Replies-17785.html |
| 19:33.32 | Corrodias2 | he's lucky the back didn't keep sliding far enough to flip it over entirely |
| 19:33.37 | Seerah | my guess is both: speed adn rear wheel drive ;) |
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| 19:33.58 | KarlKFI | if anyone skipped Mass Effect the first one is $5 on steam right now. highly recommended |
| 19:34.12 | KarlKFI | and the 2nd one is on sale too |
| 19:35.10 | Cairenn | alestane: I like that one! ;) |
| 19:38.01 | Thrae | Is this a political statement? http://probablybadnews.com/2010/05/14/funny-news-can-we-not-pick-the-wrong-direction/ |
| 19:38.09 | nevcairiel | mass effect for 3,74â¬, nice |
| 19:38.20 | nevcairiel | first time they didnt actually copy the 5$ and replaced the currency |
| 19:38.29 | nevcairiel | (that i saw) |
| 19:40.20 | Arrowmaster | rofl somehow i ended up in rank 287 on gears of war 2 social king of the hill leaderboard |
| 19:40.34 | alestane | http://probablybadnews.com/2010/06/17/funny-news-captain-america-has-some-spice-south-of-the-border/ |
| 19:40.37 | Arrowmaster | and i only started playing on tuesday |
| 19:42.56 | alestane | http://probablybadnews.com/2010/06/15/funny-news-lightning-strikes-are-bad-at-romance/ That's right up there with the Herald-American's "An uneasy clam settled over the city last night." |
| 19:49.13 | Lunessa | http://probablybadnews.com/2010/05/28/weatherman-draws-up-more-than-the-forecast/ |
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| 19:58.36 | Nechckn | Many happy returns, o' green dinoestane! |
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| 20:23.45 | Shirik | I just found a bug in Chrome |
| 20:23.52 | Shirik | well what I would consider a bug |
| 20:23.57 | Shirik | I have so many tabs open I can't close the tab |
| 20:24.01 | Shirik | because it goes off the screen |
| 20:24.08 | cbreak | middle click it? |
| 20:24.15 | cbreak | ctrl-w? |
| 20:24.31 | Shirik | laptop |
| 20:24.38 | Shirik | ctrl+w works |
| 20:24.43 | Shirik | but what if I needed to switch to that tab? |
| 20:25.08 | kd3 | ctrl+tab? |
| 20:25.25 | Shirik | that could take forever |
| 20:25.48 | cbreak | make more windows, less tabs :) |
| 20:26.14 | nevcairiel | chromes doesnt have arrows on the end of the tab list to scroll tabs around? |
| 20:26.21 | Shirik | I don't see any arrows |
| 20:26.28 | Shirik | the tabs just get smaller |
| 20:26.33 | haste | until they implode! |
| 20:26.33 | Shirik | except I think I got them as small as they can get |
| 20:26.47 | nevcairiel | how small do they have to be so you cant even click them anymore? |
| 20:27.06 | cbreak | < 1 px |
| 20:27.13 | nevcairiel | oh they just disappear after a while |
| 20:27.53 | Shirik | here's what it looks like |
| 20:28.02 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: a quick test, with a 1000px wide window, the 55th tab is off-screen |
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| 20:28.51 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:29.12 | Cide | Shirik, first tab and ctrl+shift+tab? :P |
| 20:29.15 | Lunessa | Holy crap. I thought I was bad with 20 or so tabs open. |
| 20:29.17 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/74607e5d85246c2c441da848b988d6f4.png |
| 20:29.54 | Cide | so ctrl+1, ctrl+shift+tab |
| 20:30.11 | Maldivia | Shirik: shift+esc = tab list |
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| 20:30.25 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:30.28 | alestane | Oh; thank you, Nechckn |
| 20:30.34 | Shirik | chrome is taking a total of 24% CPU |
| 20:30.54 | Shirik | probably mostly thrashing |
| 20:31.22 | cbreak | that's even worse than Firefox |
| 20:31.29 | cbreak | unless I do something crazy like using flash |
| 20:31.53 | Maldivia | cbreak: he has 70+ tabs open |
| 20:32.08 | cbreak | that's only 3 times as many as I have |
| 20:32.12 | Shirik | I wonder if there's a way to count |
| 20:32.18 | cbreak | but FF is probably more efficient |
| 20:32.26 | Shirik | uh |
| 20:32.27 | Shirik | what? |
| 20:32.29 | cbreak | (since it doesn''t allocate a new process for every tab) |
| 20:32.33 | Shirik | eh |
| 20:32.41 | haste | processes are cheap! |
| 20:32.43 | haste | (on linux :D) |
| 20:32.49 | Shirik | I"m not really convinced of the process vs thread argument anymore |
| 20:32.52 | Cide | cbreak, maybe in theory |
| 20:32.52 | nevcairiel | cheaper then threads? |
| 20:32.55 | Shirik | we're not in the 80s |
| 20:32.59 | haste | nevcairiel: afaik |
| 20:33.08 | nevcairiel | how does that make sense? =P |
| 20:33.09 | cbreak | hmm, on linux probably |
| 20:33.12 | Cide | but firefox allocates about 9000mb of ram per tab for efficiency |
| 20:33.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:33.18 | haste | nevcairiel: design choice :p ? |
| 20:33.36 | Shirik | but nevcairiel's right, processes need their own memory space, etc. |
| 20:33.40 | Shirik | threads don't have that overhead |
| 20:33.50 | Shirik | in fact, threads used to be called "lightweight processes" (and sometimes still are) |
| 20:33.56 | Cide | well open 70 tabs in ff and check |
| 20:34.22 | Arrowmaster | open 70 tabs in ff of streaming flash video sites |
| 20:34.36 | Cide | that's an unfair comparison :P |
| 20:34.40 | Cide | unless you do the same in chrome |
| 20:34.55 | Arrowmaster | that can actually crash ff |
| 20:35.01 | haste | with 44 tabs in firefox it uses 607M virtual, 338M RES and 25M shared (linux) |
| 20:35.31 | nevcairiel | 44 actual tabs, or just google pages? =P |
| 20:35.38 | haste | 44 actual tabs |
| 20:35.44 | haste | flash is in it's own process and uses 55M |
| 20:35.50 | Arrowmaster | i had a 6 mb xml file that was pure data, no formating, it sent ff's memory usage over a gig with just it loaded |
| 20:35.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:36.02 | nevcairiel | yeah out of process plugins are a nice touch for firefox these days |
| 20:36.16 | haste | they still manage to bring firefox to a halt tho' :P |
| 20:36.37 | Arrowmaster | this was on a system with only 1 gig of ram too, was the first time i ever saw the taskmgr report more ram used for a process than i had |
| 20:36.41 | nevcairiel | i havent really used it yet |
| 20:36.44 | haste | and when I say 55M, I mean RES ofc |
| 20:36.46 | Cide | I thought a butterfly flapping its wings on the other side of the atlantic did that, haste |
| 20:36.47 | nevcairiel | running stable on the work pc, and chrome at home |
| 20:36.54 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:36.55 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 20:36.56 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 20:36.56 | cbreak | thanks to VM |
| 20:36.59 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 20:37.03 | Cide | hi Fisker |
| 20:37.12 | Fisker | yay |
| 20:37.30 | Fisker | being an arcane mage sucks :( |
| 20:37.35 | cbreak | no |
| 20:37.37 | cbreak | it's great |
| 20:37.44 | cbreak | almost as fun as being frost |
| 20:37.47 | Fisker | it's annoying |
| 20:38.00 | cbreak | massive burst |
| 20:38.04 | cbreak | volatility |
| 20:38.10 | Fisker | because i can't just spam 1111-11111111111-11111111111-111111-2-1111111 |
| 20:38.16 | Fisker | because then it interrupts arcane missiles |
| 20:38.40 | Fisker | i paid good mana for those arcane missiles the least it can do is give me all of them |
| 20:38.59 | cbreak | you can cast all of them |
| 20:39.05 | smcn | how much haste do you need to have arcane missles = gcd? then you could spam it ;p |
| 20:39.20 | Cide | over 9000 |
| 20:39.38 | Fisker | AM is like 1,8 seconds with the proc |
| 20:39.49 | Fisker | 1,7 actually |
| 20:40.05 | Fisker | but that doesn't make sense |
| 20:40.11 | Fisker | because i can definitely interrupt it like right away |
| 20:40.25 | cbreak | sure you can. it's channeled |
| 20:40.32 | cbreak | you can interrupt it at any time |
| 20:40.42 | Fisker | yeah but by spamming arcane barrage |
| 20:40.46 | Fisker | blast* |
| 20:41.08 | cbreak | I still don't see the problem |
| 20:41.15 | cbreak | just don't start casting a spell while you channel missiles |
| 20:41.30 | Fisker | with a 1,5 second channel time i can still interrupt it by spamming arcane blast after the second missile |
| 20:41.39 | Fisker | then i'm wasting milliseconds! |
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| 20:45.45 | Fisker | see you don't understand cbreak :( |
| 20:46.06 | cbreak | I am not bothered by insignificant losses of precision |
| 20:46.17 | cbreak | the variability of network latency is much more significant |
| 20:46.32 | Fisker | oh u? |
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| 21:36.16 | Thunder_Child | wtb stable power grid |
| 21:41.05 | mikma | thunder_child: "stg", new addon! |
| 21:41.32 | Thunder_Child | mikma: huh? |
| 21:43.20 | mikma | thunder_child: grid xD |
| 21:43.41 | Thunder_Child | mikma: so...bad pun? |
| 21:44.31 | mikma | no, a new addon! stable power grid |
| 21:49.52 | foxlit | Hm, I think I've figured out two things |
| 21:50.03 | foxlit | 1. I need to bind /cast Maul to every single other button |
| 21:50.10 | foxlit | 2. My threat bar goes the wrong way. |
| 21:50.41 | Thrae | foxlit: 1. is a good idea. Just remember to re-glyph. |
| 21:51.09 | Fisker | hey Thrae |
| 21:51.14 | Fisker | not so hey foxlit |
| 21:51.17 | Fisker | *hisses* |
| 21:51.54 | Thrae | foxlit: Gimmie a sec and I'll show you my cool Bear/Cat macros. |
| 21:51.59 | foxlit | Thrae: I'm using Growling instead of Maul; not sure whether that's productive. |
| 21:53.23 | batrick | "To the average person, holding a child over the jaws of a hungry crocodile does not seem like a smart idea. But a small community in southern Pakistan believes it can bring good luck" |
| 21:53.27 | batrick | Emphasis on small. |
| 21:53.45 | Lunessa | http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/paramount_vantage/middlemen/ - looks like a fun film. |
| 21:54.12 | Thrae | foxlit: Can you see this post? http://crg.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=146950&ForumID=999137&TabID=1247822&Replies=7&TopicID=8893041 |
| 21:54.31 | Thrae | Fisker: Heya Fisker. Still lurking around and getting banned from channels and generally being a Fisker? ;) |
| 21:55.11 | foxlit | "You are not logged in with the correct permissions for that forum." |
| 21:55.53 | Thrae | foxlit: Yeah I don't know why our macros and addons need to be private...I'll poke the GL, anyway, one sec... |
| 21:56.19 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/bearbar.png << It's kind of compact |
| 21:57.02 | Thrae | foxlit: http://wowui.pastey.net/137863 <-- this is designed for using up to ~11 buttons, especially in W,A,S,D format (no clicky, except for taunting). |
| 21:57.10 | Thrae | 11? I mean 13 |
| 22:01.11 | foxlit | Thrae: you're using some action bar solution that doesn't swap to a bear bar automatically? |
| 22:01.28 | Thrae | foxlit: Nope, it swaps for Bear, Cat, and Tree/Boomkin. |
| 22:01.53 | Fisker | i never get banned Thrae |
| 22:02.06 | foxlit | You would ban a Fisker, though. |
| 22:02.13 | foxlit | Kind of have to concede that. |
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| 22:48.38 | kd3 | ~ping |
| 22:48.39 | purl | ~pong |
| 22:59.26 | MoonWitch | hey kd3 |
| 22:59.27 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 22:59.35 | kd3 | ya? |
| 22:59.39 | MoonWitch | man ... Avatar makes me cry every single time |
| 22:59.45 | MoonWitch | oh just wanted to say hi to ya |
| 22:59.51 | kd3 | oh, 'lo |
| 23:00.03 | Thunder_Child | what about it make syou cry? |
| 23:00.16 | MoonWitch | the pure horror of the destruction |
| 23:00.23 | MoonWitch | grace dying |
| 23:01.40 | MoonWitch | had a thing for Signourney Weaver |
| 23:01.51 | MoonWitch | Sigourney* |
| 23:02.03 | Thunder_Child | only movie that really makes me cry is 'what dreams may come' |
| 23:02.22 | MoonWitch | I don´t think iÇe seen it |
| 23:02.35 | Cide | that's some massive unicodefail MoonWitch |
| 23:02.36 | MoonWitch | and now with the accents right |
| 23:02.40 | MoonWitch | I don't think I've seen it |
| 23:02.47 | MoonWitch | Cide, it's a GTK+ bug |
| 23:02.54 | Cide | sure |
| 23:02.58 | MoonWitch | yes it is |
| 23:03.04 | Thunder_Child | it's one of robbin williams few non-comedy roles |
| 23:03.18 | MoonWitch | basically due to me writing French I've selected US Intl |
| 23:03.21 | cbreak | http://dresdencodak.com/2010/06/10/dark-science-02/ |
| 23:03.31 | MoonWitch | but that one messes up GTK :) |
| 23:03.32 | cbreak | dresden codak rocks. |
| 23:06.37 | MoonWitch | I also love sigourney's "Who do I have to f*ck to get a boat" in the last alien :) |
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| 23:54.16 | Thunder_Child | wtb blizzcon loot list |
