| 00:00.21 | WobWork | he probably wouldn't be able to pick out bin laden in a line up |
| 00:00.49 | WobWork | let alone make a rational judgement in any situation about 'who looks like Bin Laden, I'LL JUST SHOOT THEM ANYWAY' |
| 00:01.33 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: yay! |
| 00:02.24 | WobWork | Amarande: in any case the argument isn't that Bin Laden is proscribed |
| 00:02.46 | WobWork | it's that some crazy person is hunting them and you're concerned as to why people would arrest him? |
| 00:03.13 | WobWork | Can you imagine the body count if people were given free reign? |
| 00:03.36 | Amarande | ... yeah, that would be bad |
| 00:03.39 | WobWork | "Oh he looked suspciously like BinLaden." "SHE WAS PREGNANT!" "She cheated on me... with Bin Laden..." |
| 00:03.41 | Amarande | unrestricted PvP doesn't tend to work very well IRL. :) |
| 00:03.46 | Kraps | dagmar argues for more vigilante killings |
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| 00:05.26 | Fisker | slaps WobWork around a bit with a large trout |
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| 00:08.06 | Kraps | dalvegyr trade sucks |
| 00:09.48 | Fisker | you suck Kraps |
| 00:09.59 | Kraps | you suck Fisker |
| 00:10.15 | Fisker | 69'd? |
| 00:10.31 | WobWork | this is a choose your own adventure? |
| 00:10.38 | Kraps | guess so? |
| 00:10.56 | WobWork | chooses dalvegyr trade |
| 00:11.00 | WobWork | turns to page 332 |
| 00:11.08 | WobWork | keeps a thumb in the previous page |
| 00:11.23 | Kraps | [2] [80:Boldleonidas]: Looking for a BLACK smith 450..... link |
| 00:11.44 | Kraps | this douche is in my guild |
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| 00:12.15 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 00:12.17 | Fisker | report him |
| 00:12.17 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, it's scary... I have a few skirts and chemises, one bodice, that's it. SCARY! Pennsic is in a month and a half, and I can't sew. :) |
| 00:12.19 | WobWork | Smith tends to be a predominantly WASP name |
| 00:12.30 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: great, isn't it?! |
| 00:12.31 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:12.47 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: you have a month and a half to practise! |
| 00:14.48 | Shirik | reports Fisker |
| 00:15.50 | Fisker | go ahead Shirik |
| 00:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | *cries* |
| 00:16.15 | Fisker | EA are heroes of gaming |
| 00:16.38 | Fisker | They give free early betas to owners of BFBC2 that also pre-purchase Medal of Honor |
| 00:17.58 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: you can't sew? |
| 00:18.04 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: anyone can sew. it's easy. |
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| 00:18.37 | Cide | http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9508/wowscrnshot061510235959.jpg |
| 00:19.32 | Jerub | Cide: that's *awesome* |
| 00:20.07 | Jerub | Cide: oh man that's so awesome. |
| 00:20.19 | Cide | indeed |
| 00:20.27 | Jerub | Cide: that wasn't your guild was it? |
| 00:20.31 | Cide | no |
| 00:21.01 | Lopeppeppy | I can do a hem or two. I can't make a bodice. :) |
| 00:21.46 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: follow a pattern and handsew. it'll take a long time but you'll be able to do it accurately. |
| 00:22.17 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have "a long time" see above! *laugh* |
| 00:25.38 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: a week is a long time ;) |
| 00:26.56 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: t-tunics are easy breezy |
| 00:27.36 | Jerub | i handmade all my mediaeval crap when i was doing that stuff.. |
| 00:32.51 | Kraps | Microsoft Office 2010 is here. Buy it now! |
| 00:33.08 | Jerub | wait, what? |
| 00:33.10 | Jerub | isn't it free? |
| 00:33.18 | Fisker | good night Cairenn |
| 00:33.24 | Thunder_Child | lies Fisker |
| 00:33.26 | Fisker | why would it be Jerub ? |
| 00:34.12 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, I have a few of those, I think I can take them in without too much stress. But I'm not counting them until I do it and find out! |
| 00:34.43 | Jerub | Office 2010 marks the debut of free online versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote, which work in popular web browsers (Internet Explorer, Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome, and Apple Safari). |
| 00:34.53 | Jerub | because the wikipedias tolds me about frees stuffs! |
| 00:34.54 | Jerub | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2010 |
| 00:35.08 | Kraps | online ftl |
| 00:35.21 | Kraps | openoffice gogo |
| 00:37.48 | bleeter | wait, I still need a CC to pay for gametime via paypal? #fail |
| 00:38.09 | bleeter | goes off and uses paypal to purchase Steam games instead |
| 00:39.13 | Kraps | how do you do that? |
| 00:39.28 | Amarande | bleeter: you don't have a debit card? :P |
| 00:39.35 | bleeter | nope |
| 00:39.38 | Amarande | and hell, if you're that concerned about security |
| 00:39.45 | Amarande | just buy one of those prepaid visa cards at the grocery store and use that |
| 00:40.09 | bleeter | Amarande: you going to pay my flight and accomodation so I can pick one of them up? |
| 00:40.12 | bleeter | thanks |
| 00:40.16 | Amarande | bleeter: they don't have them where you are? |
| 00:40.32 | bleeter | and it's not about security, t's that my financial institution doesn't hand 'em out by default |
| 00:40.39 | Amarande | ahh |
| 00:40.44 | bleeter | Amarande: no. stop presuming your local conditions apply globally |
| 00:40.58 | bleeter | in fact |
| 00:41.09 | bleeter | i don't think ANY supermarkets in australia sell those kinds of cards |
| 00:41.16 | bleeter | so I think I'll need a passport and visa, too |
| 00:41.38 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:41.43 | WobWork | or Amarande could just buy them -for- you |
| 00:41.46 | WobWork | and ship them over |
| 00:41.48 | Amarande | can you get the Western Union prepaid card in Australia? |
| 00:41.54 | bleeter | WobWork: just easier to spend the $ on steam |
| 00:42.13 | WobWork | pshaw |
| 00:42.18 | Amarande | I think you can reload that one via WU, too, and WU is like everywhere |
| 00:42.58 | bleeter | Amarande: so not only have I put a bunch of useless money on my PayPal, I now need to load up $ on some other system? |
| 00:43.01 | bleeter | great |
| 00:43.08 | bleeter | yup, spending my $ on steam's getting easier |
| 00:43.32 | Kraps | how many games do you have? |
| 00:43.52 | bleeter | a few. i've been on steam since ~2003 :P |
| 00:43.58 | bleeter | or '05 |
| 00:44.07 | Kraps | heh cool |
| 00:44.10 | Jerub | i own tf2 and l4d and portal on steam |
| 00:44.16 | bleeter | hmm prolly 03 'coz it came with that Matrox card that rocked hard |
| 00:44.26 | Thunder_Child | heh, one of the questions on a job app "Bonus: What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? Please show your work." |
| 00:44.40 | bleeter | Jerub: I've been picking up the older school discounts |
| 00:44.45 | Kraps | <----52 games |
| 00:45.03 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: african or european job app? |
| 00:45.13 | Thunder_Child | bleeter: indeed |
| 00:48.57 | Kraps | so many mmos, not enough money |
| 00:50.09 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: seen the wolframalpha answers to that? |
| 00:50.13 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: like what? |
| 00:50.22 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: no...i shall go check |
| 00:50.33 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i want to try them all |
| 00:50.38 | A-KO | okay |
| 00:50.47 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: dont many have trials? |
| 00:50.48 | A-KO | so who here is going to modify WoW to recognize Kinect? :P |
| 00:51.20 | Kraps | i used them up a while ago /duck |
| 00:51.51 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: amusing, though that cant be right |
| 00:51.57 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: then you have tried them |
| 00:52.05 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: what? 40km/hour? |
| 00:52.13 | Jerub | that's european of course. |
| 00:52.21 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: it did nt give an answer |
| 00:52.33 | Lopeppeppy | makes patterns out of old sheets! |
| 00:52.44 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: click the alternate search thing |
| 00:52.48 | Thunder_Child | oh, it gave me the african one |
| 00:52.51 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 00:53.06 | Jerub | i <3 wolframalpha so hard |
| 00:53.11 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 00:53.59 | Sixen | Kinect? |
| 00:54.12 | Sixen | ah |
| 00:56.04 | Thunder_Child | hah, wolfram answered the woodchuck tounge twister. 361 cc/day |
| 00:56.16 | bleeter | lol |
| 00:57.16 | Sixen | OMG! BLEETER |
| 00:57.17 | Jerub | did you know a woodchuck's typical tail length is 0.591 to 0.82 feet? |
| 00:59.15 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 00:59.21 | Jerub | you DO NOW |
| 00:59.22 | Thunder_Child | not sure i really care however |
| 00:59.22 | Jerub | bwahahaha |
| 00:59.57 | Jerub | :( |
| 01:02.32 | Thunder_Child | ok, thats a first. the bat file crashes when run as admin but works fine otherwise |
| 01:03.30 | A-KO | http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_III_Pro_Arctic_Series-96-37.html < I want :( |
| 01:03.57 | Thunder_Child | is that the lightsaber looking one? |
| 01:04.00 | A-KO | yeah |
| 01:04.06 | A-KO | love the warning on it |
| 01:04.13 | Thunder_Child | mmm...burning flesh |
| 01:04.14 | A-KO | "This will blind you permanently and instantly" |
| 01:04.49 | Thunder_Child | one of the really amusing parts about it is that they are taking the lens from a projector |
| 01:04.54 | A-KO | lol yeah |
| 01:04.55 | A-KO | I'm wondering when they can't sell it anymore |
| 01:04.58 | A-KO | I mean if it can seriously do that shit |
| 01:05.04 | A-KO | I can only imagine it'll take one lawsuit to bring it down |
| 01:05.20 | Thunder_Child | na, the projector doesnt have nearly as much power |
| 01:05.27 | Thunder_Child | or do you mean the laser? |
| 01:05.39 | A-KO | the laser |
| 01:06.49 | A-KO | I might get one for Christmas |
| 01:06.50 | A-KO | form yself |
| 01:06.53 | A-KO | just drop $200 on it |
| 01:07.02 | A-KO | but not sure |
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| 01:07.11 | A-KO | might end up just getting a green one--it could be just as fun but not as dangerous |
| 01:07.33 | Thunder_Child | uh....more dangerous is fun |
| 01:07.39 | A-KO | I can imagine it'd be hard to use this one without asking everyone you show it to to wear the the glasses |
| 01:07.45 | A-KO | the eyewear costs $30 :/ |
| 01:07.54 | A-KO | I mean, I doubt it'll hurt you to look AT the beam |
| 01:08.08 | A-KO | but you don't want any accidents or idiots |
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| 01:08.21 | A-KO | "hey duuuur let me shoot this into my eye durrrr" |
| 01:08.23 | Thunder_Child | i have the glasses already |
| 01:08.26 | A-KO | oh nice |
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| 01:09.07 | Amarande | I think I'll just eventually get a thinkgeek green laser |
| 01:09.14 | Amarande | and be very careful if I ever show people stars |
| 01:09.24 | A-KO | the greens aren't that bad unless you get the really powerful ones |
| 01:09.25 | Mike-N-Go_ | I have not touched my addons in about a year and a half, what is the chance they will be pruned? |
| 01:09.27 | Amarande | because apparently it's a felony if you point it into the sky to show someone stars and you end up blinding a pilot |
| 01:09.28 | A-KO | but I"ve played with a 100mw green |
| 01:09.38 | Mike-N-Go_ | From the wowinterface.com site.* |
| 01:09.46 | Amarande | and while the free housing and meals are indeed attractive perks of jail |
| 01:09.47 | Thunder_Child | go look |
| 01:09.53 | Amarande | I don't care for the other aspects of it :P |
| 01:09.56 | Thunder_Child | did todays patch mess with anything? |
| 01:10.02 | A-KO | Amarande: the blue laser looks awesome though :( |
| 01:10.05 | Amarande | is also slightly drunk right now |
| 01:10.10 | Amarande | A-KO: the blue laser is stupidly expensive |
| 01:10.20 | Amarande | the blue laser is the Hyacinth Macaw of geek toys :P |
| 01:10.41 | A-KO | $200 |
| 01:10.44 | A-KO | that's not that bad |
| 01:11.06 | Amarande | make that 'significantly drunk' right now |
| 01:11.12 | Amarande | and I'm probably going to be doing Gnomeregan later |
| 01:11.14 | Amarande | this should be fun |
| 01:11.15 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.33 | Amarande | you know what I love most about gnomer and borean, though, btw? |
| 01:11.38 | Amarande | the death of some of the gnome guys |
| 01:11.41 | Amarande | "SproingAHHHHH!" |
| 01:12.03 | Amarande | sadly, I had to resist the temptation to exhort too much in said deaths in my last gnomer run though |
| 01:12.09 | Amarande | because one of the party members actually was a gnome :| |
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| 01:21.47 | Mike-N-Go_ | Mikina! |
| 01:26.52 | Jerub | weekly raid quest on dath'remar is sarth. I <3 easy raids. |
| 01:32.34 | Amarande | I wonder what the weekly on silvermoon is |
| 01:32.38 | Amarande | not that I'm 80 there yet anyway |
| 01:33.40 | Kraps | Shirik |
| 01:34.22 | WobWork | Amarande: on my old ally raids |
| 01:34.30 | WobWork | we would endeavour to kill at least one gnome per pull |
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| 01:37.25 | Amarande | heh, gnomes, the scrappy doo of the wow races |
| 01:37.57 | Thunder_Child | and d&d |
| 01:39.34 | Jerub | i love the jaxxararus encounter in toc |
| 01:39.37 | Jerub | because of the dying gnome |
| 01:39.49 | cog|away | Shirik: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/968441/should-we-hire-someone-who-writes-c-in-perl |
| 01:40.02 | Jerub | we had a tank who LOVED the gnome dying sound, and on his first time in toc, we made him turn his sound way up before we wwould start the jaxx encounter. |
| 01:40.17 | Jerub | he was laughing too hard to start tanking and we nearly wiped |
| 01:41.09 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i tried Guild Wars, AoC, WAR, Eve |
| 01:41.31 | Kraps | i subscribed to Champions online for a bit |
| 01:42.17 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: no DDO? |
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| 01:42.34 | Kraps | oh LotRO too |
| 01:42.38 | Kraps | no Thunder_Child |
| 01:42.54 | Thunder_Child | well you missed one |
| 01:43.29 | Kraps | you need an invite for Aion |
| 01:43.46 | Thunder_Child | well there is iriel and Shirik |
| 01:44.04 | Jerub | you need invites for Aion? |
| 01:44.11 | Kraps | shirik is lazy :p |
| 01:44.18 | Thunder_Child | for the trial i assume |
| 01:44.21 | Kraps | ^ |
| 01:45.09 | NightHawkTheSane | mmmm.. tequila |
| 01:47.57 | Kraps | Fallen Earth has no website? |
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| 01:52.23 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: you can http://www.aiontrial.com/ though i dont know how shady or not it is |
| 01:54.48 | Kraps | trash email accounts ftw? |
| 01:56.02 | Thunder_Child | unless you have to link that to the aion accnt |
| 01:57.29 | Kraps | if i decide to get it i can use my regular email to make a new account |
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| 02:00.07 | Kraps | unless shirik is up in this place |
| 02:00.29 | Thunder_Child | well, there is here and then there is 'here' |
| 02:00.50 | Amarande | you know, I still get email trying to steal my aion account and I don't even have one |
| 02:01.02 | Amarande | I played GW before I got into WoW |
| 02:01.16 | Amarande | actually have a pretty well traveled Elementalist, Vierin Lavonde |
| 02:01.35 | Amarande | and was able to figure out a few modified builds to do things most people give up on |
| 02:01.42 | Amarande | like a viable E build to go along with a PvE Tombs group |
| 02:01.57 | Amarande | (basically, I modified the Sandstorm Warder build, for the most part) |
| 02:02.22 | Amarande | this being back when no one went to tombs with anyhting but Barrage/Pet groups |
| 02:02.47 | Kraps | you cant jump in GW.... |
| 02:02.53 | Kraps | deal-breaker |
| 02:03.08 | Dashkal | No stupid NE flips? Fail... |
| 02:03.19 | Dagmar | There's no escaping from GRAVITY! |
| 02:03.48 | Thunder_Child | huh....wharehouse 13 is the most watch syfy show ever |
| 02:03.53 | Thunder_Child | watched* |
| 02:04.17 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: its interesting but kinda meh |
| 02:04.29 | Thunder_Child | i enjoyed it |
| 02:04.42 | Thunder_Child | i just want to see what other nifty things are in the warehouse |
| 02:04.51 | Kraps | heh |
| 02:05.06 | WobWork | Kraps: You apparently can in GW2! |
| 02:05.14 | Kraps | yeah |
| 02:06.32 | Kraps | "TF2 has 10,000 players on 1 server at one time.. and does it free??? No one else runs the server they run it them selves?" |
| 02:06.58 | Shirik | so Cide |
| 02:07.01 | Shirik | you officially win |
| 02:07.03 | Shirik | as do you WobWork |
| 02:07.07 | Cide | do I win? |
| 02:07.09 | Cide | why? |
| 02:07.12 | Shirik | a 264 cloak just dropped |
| 02:07.17 | Shirik | after you advised me to go for the belt instead |
| 02:07.20 | Cide | go me |
| 02:07.30 | WobWork | woohoo! |
| 02:07.33 | WobWork | yay cloak |
| 02:07.39 | Cide | I'm also winning at implementing the site design |
| 02:07.42 | Cide | cause I'm awesome |
| 02:07.44 | Shirik | nice |
| 02:07.57 | Kraps | ohai Shirik |
| 02:08.02 | Shirik | ohai Kraps |
| 02:08.08 | Kraps | we were just talking about you |
| 02:08.12 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:08.13 | Shirik | I'm in a raid |
| 02:08.22 | Kraps | ah |
| 02:08.24 | Amarande | needs to find a raid guild once I hit 80 |
| 02:08.35 | Amarande | thankfully, it's much more likely now that I'll find one suitable to me |
| 02:08.58 | Amarande | one, Tuesday/Wednesday guilds are probably a lot more viable now (which is when my best raid night availability is since I always work 12-6 Tuesday and 9-4 Wednesday) |
| 02:09.09 | Amarande | two, I play on a Pacific time server now, and live in Eastern |
| 02:09.15 | Amarande | so I have a three hour time difference to play with |
| 02:09.32 | Jerub | Amarande: who the hell raids on tuesdays? |
| 02:09.41 | Amarande | Jerub: quite a few |
| 02:09.45 | Jerub | i mean, is that something that people actually do? |
| 02:09.50 | Amarande | I actually almost landed a Tue/Wed guild gig during BC, even |
| 02:10.00 | Jerub | that's my, "shit i'm going to waste a lockout, lets go raid with a scrub pug" day |
| 02:10.13 | Amarande | sadly, they changed to Tue/Thu while I was away at Dragon Con, and Thu was not a good day for me then |
| 02:10.27 | Jerub | at least raiding wednesday is after lockout reset so you can potentially reconvene |
| 02:10.31 | Amarande | even Wed/Thu might work out ok for me now, since I work till 7:30 on Thursdays Eastern, and I play on Pacific |
| 02:10.37 | Amarande | Jerub: you play on EU, don't you. :) |
| 02:10.43 | Jerub | oceanic. |
| 02:10.52 | WobWork | It feels about the same =P |
| 02:11.06 | Amarande | Jerub: ahh, in the States, Tuesday is the beginning of the raid week |
| 02:11.08 | Jerub | oh, is your moontime such that your tuesday is after reset? |
| 02:11.16 | Jerub | i see |
| 02:11.23 | Amarande | like I said, I performed pretty well on my trial on Quel'dorei when I almost got into a raiding guild there |
| 02:11.34 | Amarande | unfortunately, that was the night before I left for Dragon Con '08 |
| 02:11.46 | Jerub | a fucker i helped get geared when he popped 80 is 12/12 icc and 10/12 icc heroic. |
| 02:11.48 | Amarande | and when I got back I found that due to RL issues to do with guild members of that guild, they'd changed to Tue/Thu |
| 02:11.58 | Amarande | and at the time I worked a lot of Thursday nights so that was bad |
| 02:12.05 | Jerub | i taught him to tank and did all his crafting for him |
| 02:12.19 | Jerub | i'm like 6/12 icc |
| 02:12.21 | WobWork | clearly you're a great teacher |
| 02:12.27 | Amarande | I was somewhat aware of what was going on there |
| 02:12.36 | Amarande | apparently, there was a breakup between one of the healers and one of the tanks |
| 02:12.46 | Amarande | and she (the healer) actually transferred (to Shandris, I think) over it |
| 02:12.57 | Amarande | because she was feeling that much need to be away from him |
| 02:13.06 | Dagmar | The real question is... will anyone move out of the trailer park? |
| 02:13.31 | Amarande | said woman was the person who had gotten my foot in the door for the trial I had had, so I knew her pretty decently |
| 02:13.57 | Amarande | it was a pretty good Kara run ... sadly nothing useful to me dropped |
| 02:14.14 | Amarande | figures, since in that particular raid group I would have had dibs on basically ANYTHING good for me, because there was no other cloth DPS caster in the group |
| 02:18.06 | Amarande | yay ding 29 |
| 02:18.09 | Kraps | http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/06/14/chatroulette-plans-genital-detection-software/?test=latestnews |
| 02:19.05 | Amarande | heh, I love how they said "a mom of two from Montauk" |
| 02:19.07 | Amarande | you know |
| 02:19.20 | Amarande | the only thing I know about Montauk, is that it was mentioned in a Billy Joel song about where they picked up diesel |
| 02:19.21 | Amarande | heh |
| 02:19.46 | A-KO | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1911733 < oh MAN |
| 02:19.55 | Amarande | Downeaster 'Alexa', if I recall |
| 02:20.03 | Amarande | whatever the hell a downeaster is |
| 02:20.08 | Amarande | some sort of ship, but that's all I know |
| 02:23.20 | WobWork | hehe |
| 02:23.30 | WobWork | I'm using an esperanto lorem ipsum generator |
| 02:23.53 | WobWork | although I'd prefer one that had something like a markov chain generator of Alice in Wonderland or the like |
| 02:24.48 | Thunder_Child | damit Bibi, your front page vid keeps auto playing |
| 02:25.46 | Amarande | wow, I think I actually made serious use of walking speed for the first time ever tonight |
| 02:26.40 | Amarande | is there much use for it anymore? |
| 02:26.45 | Amarande | or do you run everywhere you go no matter what :) |
| 02:32.46 | Amarande | apparently, walking is useful if you want to get to forest song without bothering the pvp flagged horde warsong guy though |
| 02:32.56 | Amarande | not that I felt at all non-confident about taking him if I had to |
| 02:33.00 | Amarande | I just didn't want to bother with the raid aids |
| 02:36.52 | Amarande | wow EG apparently doesn't regard mp5 as a healer specific attribute, either |
| 02:37.09 | Amarande | speaking of which, I might gather up a PvP set and gem for mp5, for use as a solo questing set at 80 |
| 02:38.19 | Amarande | not good at all for instances, but helps with mage weaknesses for soloing |
| 02:38.56 | Shadowed | MP5 is sort of a grey area |
| 02:39.27 | Shadowed | it tends to be healer only, but it does pop out onto caster gear from time to time, although not usually on the super optimal sets |
| 02:40.46 | Seerah | Is there a reason why I wouldn't be getting a slider even though I'm creating my scroll frame using UIPanelScrollFrameTemplate (and a slider is part of the template)? |
| 02:41.32 | Seerah | BugSack uses UIPanelScrollFrameTemplate and has a slider (with it mentioned no where else in its code)... |
| 02:41.50 | Shadowed | Seerah: parenting? |
| 02:42.08 | Amarande | heh |
| 02:42.14 | Amarande | "Fly to Auberdine and take the boat to Stormwind." |
| 02:42.16 | Amarande | um |
| 02:42.19 | Amarande | "Teleport: Stormwind." |
| 02:42.20 | Amarande | kthx |
| 02:42.21 | Amarande | :) |
| 02:42.30 | Amarande | loves mage |
| 02:42.55 | Seerah | Shadowed: do you mean that it may be hiding? I don't see it in framestack, either. |
| 02:43.02 | Shadowed | weird |
| 02:43.09 | Shadowed | What are you getting, nothing? |
| 02:43.26 | Amarande | btw: anyone know if there's plans to make it no longer possible to get wotlk raid titles in cata? |
| 02:43.30 | Seerah | I get the scroll frame fine, scroll child is inside, but no scrolling and no slider |
| 02:43.37 | Amarande | like you couldn't get champion of the naaru or hand of a'dal in wotlk? |
| 02:43.45 | Shadowed | Huh |
| 02:43.55 | Amarande | or will the titles likely remain available to anyone willing to go do the raid? |
| 02:44.16 | Shadowed | Try manually positioning the slider? |
| 02:44.31 | Torhal | Seerah: Are you setting min/max values? |
| 02:44.45 | Torhal | And yah, position |
| 02:44.52 | Shadowed | min/max values shouldn't effect visibility |
| 02:44.57 | Shadowed | it should still show the slider, just disable it |
| 02:45.03 | Amarande | gah. why do I always lagspike when crossing the bridge between sw mage quarter and trade district |
| 02:45.19 | Stan_ | what would r=245, g=135, b=183 be in this format {r = 0.0, g = 0.7, b = 0.0, t = 0.5}? I don't get how this works :( |
| 02:45.23 | Amarande | (yes, I do play on a high pop server btw) |
| 02:46.29 | WobWork | lua> t = {245, 135, 183}; for i,v in ipairs(t) do print(v/255); end |
| 02:46.34 | lua_bot | WobWork: 0.96078431372549, 0.52941176470588, 0.71764705882353 |
| 02:46.51 | WobWork | not sure what your t= |
| 02:46.55 | Stan_ | so it's just the value/255? |
| 02:46.55 | WobWork | shouldn't that be a? |
| 02:46.57 | WobWork | for alpha? |
| 02:46.57 | Stan_ | oh ok |
| 02:47.03 | Stan_ | it's alpha but pallypower uses t |
| 02:47.06 | Stan_ | dunno why |
| 02:47.11 | WobWork | tint =P |
| 02:47.42 | Stan_ | thanks :p |
| 02:48.23 | Seerah | Shadowed or Torhal: this is what I have so far in my code: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/137728 (It's a little messy, as I just started tonight. And I've never bothered messing with scroll frames before) |
| 02:49.24 | Shadowed | Do you want a "true" scroll frame, or a faux one Seerah? |
| 02:49.55 | WobWork | Go Faux! Go Faux! |
| 02:50.00 | Seerah | I don't know. :p Aren't faux ones more complicated? I'd have all data for all items in the guild bank at once, anyway... |
| 02:50.21 | Seerah | I'm trying to reuse the default GB tabs and just rearrange stuff. |
| 02:50.58 | Shadowed | Real scroll frames are the things you use when you're scrolling frames with multiple types of frames and such inside them, like the Ace3 config scrolls are all real scroll frames |
| 02:51.09 | Shadowed | Faux scroll frames are more common and are used for a text |
| 02:51.12 | Shadowed | or something consistent |
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| 02:51.37 | Shadowed | like http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw36181.png all of those scroll frames are faux |
| 02:51.40 | Seerah | this will have multiple things inside. All of the item buttons, font strings, etc. |
| 02:51.43 | Thunder_Child | anyone else having issues getting to wowhead? |
| 02:51.48 | Torhal | I rolled my own faux scrollframe code, easier to deal with than the default stuff |
| 02:51.50 | Shadowed | Right, but they are consistent, yes? |
| 02:51.58 | Lunessa | station |
| 02:52.22 | Seerah | Lunessa: now you'll see why I've been so quiet and stationary :p |
| 02:52.57 | Shadowed | If you're scrolling 10 rows that are the same visually, just on new lines then you'd probably want faux |
| 02:53.01 | Shadowed | but not entirely sure what you are doing |
| 02:53.14 | Seerah | Shadowed, Torhal: I'm turning the icons in the gbank into one or two columns of icons with name text, level, etc. |
| 02:53.19 | Lunessa | Aha! Coding! |
| 02:53.34 | Torhal | So you'll have rows of consistent height |
| 02:53.36 | Shadowed | Ah, so it's going to be one long list formated something like: "[Icon] [Name] [Level]" |
| 02:53.39 | Torhal | You'd want a faux scrollframe |
| 02:53.41 | Shadowed | Then yea, sounds like you want faux |
| 02:53.52 | Seerah | okies. then I'll have to learn that, too :) |
| 02:53.53 | Shadowed | Faux is a lot easier to work with |
| 02:55.39 | Seerah | Did you know that the GB buttons aren't numbered 1-98? I was a little surprised by that. Each section of two columns (you can see fr. the textures) is a ColumnX with buttons1-14. (So, GuildBankColumn1Button1, GuildBankColumn2Button12) |
| 02:56.02 | Seerah | seems.... awkward... |
| 02:57.56 | Shadowed | Seerah: https://gist.github.com/ee6e3dca591d86b80851 that's a quick rip out of code from an addon that uses a faux scrollframe |
| 02:57.58 | Shadowed | might help |
| 02:58.06 | Seerah | danke |
| 03:03.55 | Amarande | Seerah: weird |
| 03:03.55 | Amarande | especially weird since I'm only vaguely familiar now with the blizzard gbank layout |
| 03:03.59 | Amarande | since I've used ArkInventory since like forever now |
| 03:05.33 | Lunessa | Ahhh... trade channel recruiting: "[Rhenas]: FREE SEX AND BOOZE! Need 1 more ranged DPS for Ony10 then g2g! PST" |
| 03:06.06 | Seerah | They got you to look :p |
| 03:06.16 | Lunessa | I'm all about the sex and booze. |
| 03:06.21 | Seerah | I, on the other hand, have trade turned off ;) |
| 03:06.36 | Lunessa | just /knows/ that line is going to come back to haunt me. |
| 03:06.38 | Seerah | sex and booze will not entice me! |
| 03:07.02 | Torhal | Seerah: Cupcakes and booze? |
| 03:07.14 | Torhal | Rumcakes? |
| 03:07.20 | Seerah | lol |
| 03:07.26 | Seerah | I do enjoy cupcakes |
| 03:07.32 | Seerah | but I'm not a beer girl |
| 03:07.53 | Lunessa | It's ok. We'll ply you with hard liquor from the bar at BlizzCon |
| 03:08.05 | kd3 | mm.... the good stuff |
| 03:08.37 | Lunessa | In fact, last year I don't recall anyone at any of our gatherings in watering holes drinking beer. Everyone was drinking real booze. |
| 03:09.05 | Seerah | Cape Cods? :) |
| 03:09.18 | Lunessa | Hey, that's got real vodka in it. |
| 03:09.33 | Seerah | it sure does - the stuff that smells like nail polish remover! |
| 03:09.53 | Lunessa | You gotta move up to a higher grade of poison. |
| 03:10.08 | Seerah | higher than the vodka? Or higher than the nail polish remover? |
| 03:11.21 | Lunessa | Seerah, if you're drinking nail polish remover, you're playing "Girls In Prison: III - Dying by Degrees" |
| 03:11.31 | Seerah | hehe |
| 03:30.11 | Amarande | heh, I should put this one on the forums |
| 03:30.16 | Amarande | (note that I'm somewhat drunk, still) |
| 03:30.28 | Amarande | "if you could choose to marry someone of one WoW race, which would you pick?" |
| 03:30.29 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:33.19 | Amarande | wonders what wowuidev's consensus would be, heh |
| 03:33.33 | Lunessa | That you're not drunk enough. |
| 03:33.40 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:35.34 | Seerah | hrmm... I was having more luck with a regular ScrollFrame..... :/ |
| 03:47.27 | Kraps | shirik |
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| 03:50.38 | Torhal | Seerah: You have to have a set number of lines to display, out of the total number of lines you actually have. The offset is the number in your actual list that is displayed as the "first" element of the visible area. |
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| 04:04.14 | WobWork | http://mcmleague.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/ilovebacon.jpg |
| 04:08.44 | eidolarr | I asked before and got no answers, let me try again: does anyone write Lua in emacs? |
| 04:09.03 | Torhal | I do. |
| 04:09.19 | eidolarr | do you know of any lua-mode that sucks less than the readily available one? |
| 04:09.19 | Torhal | lua-mode is braindead. |
| 04:09.25 | Torhal | Hold on |
| 04:09.39 | eidolarr | even just properly recognizing that capitals start new words would be a huge step up |
| 04:10.00 | Cide | what? |
| 04:10.21 | eidolarr | like if i have doSomethingCool X |
| 04:10.31 | eidolarr | and the cursor is at X and i do backwards kill word it eats the whole thing |
| 04:10.45 | Torhal | eidolarr: Here's one Dys hacked up that works better than the default one - even properly recognizes block-comments - http://github.com/vhallac/editorsetups/blob/master/.emacs.common/packages/misc/lua-mode.el |
| 04:10.52 | Cide | um, yes? |
| 04:11.04 | Cide | doesn't sound unreasonable |
| 04:11.18 | Cide | why would you want it to only delete "Cool"? |
| 04:11.35 | Iriel | eidolarr: I do too (emacs) |
| 04:11.42 | Torhal | To replace it with doSomethingUncool, perhaps. |
| 04:11.52 | Cide | that sounds incredibly far-fetched and rare |
| 04:12.12 | eidolarr | actually it seems i'm wrong about the default behavior, but i swear there was a case that was weird |
| 04:12.22 | Torhal | My beef is that it kills the word for constants like THIS_IS_MULTIPLE_WORDS, when I only want it to kill up to and including the first underscore it encounters |
| 04:12.43 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 04:12.45 | eidolarr | that was it, my abd |
| 04:12.46 | eidolarr | underscores |
| 04:12.58 | Torhal | It works fine if you do it within the editbox, but when you're in the Lua buffer it ceases to work. |
| 04:13.14 | eidolarr | i don't think the editbox is affected by mode? |
| 04:13.27 | eidolarr | actually i don't know that i will hush |
| 04:14.45 | Torhal | It isn't, which is why killing the word before the underscore works in it. |
| 04:20.08 | eidolarr | Torhal and Iriel: any cool emacs lua tips? |
| 04:20.14 | eidolarr | or tips in general |
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| 04:21.46 | eidolarr | i've been playing around with org-mode |
| 04:27.57 | Iriel | eidolarr: None offhand, i've been using emacs a lot longer than i've known Lua |
| 04:28.12 | WobWork | lol@xkcd |
| 04:29.07 | Iriel | A good lua tip is luac -l -p Filename.lua | grep SETGLOBAL |
| 04:29.13 | Iriel | or for that matter, just grep for GLOBAL |
| 04:29.20 | Iriel | Nice way of checking you didn't miss a local anywhere |
| 04:29.37 | eidolarr | does that work if you don't have all the functions defined, like if you make a call to the WoW api? |
| 04:30.01 | Iriel | It shows up as a GETGLOBAL |
| 04:30.21 | eidolarr | ah |
| 04:30.45 | Iriel | I actually use a little perl script to do that on files, and compare the list of symbols with a list of the common API functions I use |
| 04:31.19 | Iriel | Which is also why you see lines like this at the top of many of my source files: -- Globals: ItemTextGetItem, ItemTextGetCreator, ItemTextGetPage |
| 04:32.36 | eidolarr | aha |
| 04:33.00 | eidolarr | do you use emacs for everything? |
| 04:33.14 | Amarande | yay kingsblood |
| 04:33.24 | Amarande | NO YOU DRAGONMAW ORCS WILL NOT SEPARATE A SCRIBE FROM HER KINGSBLOOD |
| 04:33.57 | eidolarr | i must have fucked up this modified lua-mode.el somehow, it's not highlighting all the keywords like local and end |
| 04:34.42 | Amarande | it's too bad kingsblood is really the only useful herb at the golden pigment stage |
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| 04:37.04 | Amarande | ok, there's liferoot, wild steelbloom, and grave moss but where do you ever gather *those* in quantity LOL |
| 04:37.15 | kd3 | liferoot? stv |
| 04:37.27 | kd3 | steelbloom? any 30-40ish zone with lots of mountains |
| 04:37.34 | kd3 | grave moss? caves |
| 04:38.01 | kd3 | liferoot's mainly along rivers/lakes |
| 04:38.11 | Amarande | yeah, but none of them show in quantity like kingsblood does |
| 04:38.17 | Amarande | btw, are the dragonmaw orcs in wetlands related to the ones on outland? |
| 04:38.29 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:38.44 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dragonmaw_clan |
| 04:38.56 | durcyn | someone needs to read up on grim batol =P |
| 04:40.05 | Amarande | heh, given that Grim Batol has been kind of a non place so far |
| 04:40.12 | Amarande | except that it's about the only place to go if you want Red Dragonscale |
| 04:40.24 | kd3 | s/grim batol/day of the dragon/ |
| 04:40.44 | Amarande | & I can't remember what red dragonscale is good for anyway |
| 04:43.44 | Iriel | eidolarr: Pretty much everything but java, and these days I use eclipse for that (with emacs key bindings, which it gets mostly right) |
| 04:44.10 | Amarande | was red dragonscale EVER good for much? |
| 04:44.32 | eidolarr | Iriel: I tried the eclipse emacs bindings and it drove me nuts, it was like almost right but not quite in jarring ways |
| 04:44.48 | eidolarr | i was hoping to find a java emacs programmer to help me set up, i can't stand eclipse |
| 04:44.56 | Iriel | Yeah, I had to make a couple of adjustments, e.g. changing tab |
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| 04:46.30 | eidolarr | I also use a lot of custom keybindings which i don't look forward to porting to eclipse |
| 04:46.35 | eidolarr | i heard it's doable with JDEE |
| 04:49.17 | eidolarr | once you start using things like CEDET thuogh it makes me wonder what the point even is |
| 04:49.25 | Amarande | wow I fail at herbalism |
| 04:49.30 | Amarande | I forgot liferoot was 150, thought it was 175 |
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| 04:54.36 | Amarande | %@#*&&*@ |
| 04:54.43 | Amarande | I changed my hotkeys around and now I keep casting the wrong spells |
| 04:54.57 | cogwheel | knoooooooooows the feeling |
| 04:55.53 | Amarande | put all the fire and all the frost spells together |
| 04:56.01 | Amarande | got rid of arcane explosion from the hotbars entirely |
| 04:56.07 | Amarande | since AE sucks big hairy orc balls |
| 04:56.27 | cogwheel | yeah that's one of the few spells i don't have bound on my mage |
| 04:57.18 | Amarande | (now granted there are probably some girls who like doing that but let's not go there.) |
| 04:57.21 | cogwheel | i've got 24 bindings to the left half of my kb (28 on my warrior) and use my mouse for all movement. Changing my spells around is a huge deal for me >< |
| 04:57.44 | Amarande | man, wowhead is slogging tonight |
| 05:11.25 | kd3 | winces at xkcd |
| 05:12.53 | Shirik | whooooooooooooooo |
| 05:12.56 | Shirik | I got to do something fun |
| 05:12.57 | cogwheel | Shirik: |
| 05:13.00 | cogwheel | hai |
| 05:13.07 | Shirik | guess what I just did |
| 05:13.12 | cogwheel | something fun? |
| 05:13.16 | Shirik | I just unprotected World of Warcraft |
| 05:13.19 | Shirik | on wiki |
| 05:13.39 | Shirik | 22:12, 15 June 2010 Shirik (talk | contribs | block) m (69,954 bytes) (Changed protection level of World of Warcraft: Day 2 pending Changes trial ([move=sysop] (indefinite))) (undo) |
| 05:13.44 | Shirik | 22:12, 15 June 2010 Shirik (talk | contribs | block) m (69,954 bytes) (Configured pending changes settings for World of Warcraft: Day 2 pending Changes trial [Accept: require "autoconfirmed" permission]) (rollback(AJAX) | undo) [automatically accepted] |
| 05:13.45 | cogwheel | wut |
| 05:14.29 | kd3 | yay, more toys for the pov-pushers to enforce status quo and slapping anons with reverts? |
| 05:14.34 | kd3 | looks at the /. commentary on that |
| 05:14.35 | Shirik | yes! |
| 05:14.59 | cogwheel | and for us non-wikians? |
| 05:15.13 | Shirik | basically it opens the article to free editing again |
| 05:15.19 | Jerub | Shirik: why was it protected? |
| 05:15.28 | kd3 | a lot of articles were semi-protected, requiring having an account longer than 72ish hours |
| 05:15.29 | Shirik | however, none of the changes made by non-autoconfirmed users will be made visible on the "live" page |
| 05:15.31 | Torhal | So I can log in and write "OMG SPACE GOATS!" |
| 05:15.37 | Torhal | Damn it! |
| 05:15.40 | Shirik | until they're reviewed and accepted |
| 05:15.52 | Shirik | they will instead sit on the "draft" page |
| 05:16.04 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft |
| 05:16.08 | Shirik | notice the "Accepted" in the top right |
| 05:16.21 | Shirik | (because my setting the configuration caused it to be auto-accepted) |
| 05:16.55 | Amarande | say, does being mounted while swimming increase your speed any? |
| 05:16.56 | cogwheel | in other words you have so much epeen on wikipedia it just took it like a man? |
| 05:17.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:17.12 | Shirik | Amarande: no |
| 05:17.19 | Kraps | Shirik: aion pl0x |
| 05:17.20 | Shirik | imo it should slow you down but it doesn't |
| 05:17.23 | cogwheel | thank you for disambiguating :) |
| 05:17.25 | Shirik | Kraps: I don't know where it is!! |
| 05:17.37 | Kraps | !!! |
| 05:17.48 | Kraps | alright then |
| 05:17.51 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:18.02 | Kraps | ~pat Shirik |
| 05:18.03 | purl | ACTION pats Shirik and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 05:18.08 | cogwheel | i just hit 1400 epeen on stackoverflow >< |
| 05:18.14 | Shirik | oshi |
| 05:20.10 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: go look? |
| 05:20.14 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:20.16 | Thunder_Child | or ask Iriel |
| 05:20.25 | Thunder_Child | the inv |
| 05:20.33 | Shirik | ?? |
| 05:21.01 | Thunder_Child | ....from Kraps |
| 05:21.11 | Thunder_Child | it was only 3 min ago |
| 05:21.25 | Kraps | i gtg, i'll ask tomorrow |
| 05:21.26 | Torhal | Amarande: It just drops you down to _your_ swimming speed which, by the way, is slower than you walking. |
| 05:22.17 | Thunder_Child | just ask Iriel, sounds like it would be faster |
| 05:22.24 | Iriel | ? |
| 05:22.24 | durcyn | Torhal: which is total bullshit. i should be able to ride my gargantuan cat into a river and have it scramble for the opposite shore, dammit. |
| 05:22.41 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: kraps is looking for an aion trial invite |
| 05:22.47 | Thunder_Child | and Shirik is a nublet |
| 05:22.51 | Iriel | Oh, I see |
| 05:22.58 | Iriel | Let me see if my acct is still active |
| 05:23.08 | Torhal | durcyn: Eh, I think it should at least only drop it down to walking speed if you're mounted. |
| 05:23.09 | Shirik | my account is active |
| 05:23.13 | Shirik | I just don't know how to turn that into a trial |
| 05:25.32 | WobWork | what about the turtle mount? |
| 05:25.39 | WobWork | doesn't that travel at normal speed in the water? |
| 05:25.59 | kd3 | turtle mount's at +60% in water, 0% on land |
| 05:26.29 | Thunder_Child | so.....just like the druid water form |
| 05:26.35 | Iriel | Ok, for the trial, PM me your name and email |
| 05:26.37 | WobWork | except better looking |
| 05:26.57 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: i'll let kraps know when he comes back |
| 05:27.06 | Thunder_Child | tomorrow |
| 05:27.20 | Iriel | And for the nub (Shirik) you click 'Refer a friend' from your account -> aion page |
| 05:27.31 | Shirik | aw |
| 05:27.35 | Shirik | I want to refer him :( |
| 05:27.37 | Shirik | ok fine |
| 05:27.42 | Iriel | You should |
| 05:27.43 | Iriel | if you can |
| 05:30.29 | Shirik | ok I see it |
| 05:31.01 | Shirik | where did he go |
| 05:31.02 | Shirik | wtf |
| 05:31.33 | Thunder_Child | ....pay attention man |
| 05:31.41 | Thunder_Child | i'll have him ping you tomorrow then |
| 05:32.36 | Shirik | I will probably be at work |
| 05:32.42 | Shirik | so ping me on the underscore list |
| 05:32.46 | Shirik | underscore Shirik |
| 05:36.21 | Thunder_Child | underscores Shirik |
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| 05:59.33 | Amarande | rogues are scum of the earth and should disappear |
| 05:59.43 | Amarande | nothing like being in an area as your squishy mage |
| 05:59.49 | Amarande | the other player questing in the area being a rogue |
| 05:59.57 | Amarande | and then the fucking rogue pulls too many, vanishes and they all come for you |
| 06:01.11 | WobWork | welcome to Invisibility |
| 06:01.34 | kd3 | or frost nova, blink, start running |
| 06:01.44 | kd3 | you're a mage, you've got the moves to get out of the situation |
| 06:01.53 | WobWork | just like the rogue does |
| 06:02.25 | Amarande | Wob: when exactly do you *get* invisibility |
| 06:02.30 | Amarande | I've just dinged 30, and haven't been back to SW to train yet |
| 06:02.39 | NightHawkTheSane | 70 |
| 06:02.39 | kd3 | oh, not any time soon in your case |
| 06:02.41 | kd3 | it's 70 |
| 06:03.02 | kd3 | still, you've got blink/fn already. this is a good opportunity to learn how to use them. |
| 06:03.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 06:03.37 | WobWork | ^ |
| 06:03.44 | NightHawkTheSane | mages suffied reasonably well before invis, it's not the be-all end-all of spells |
| 06:04.03 | NightHawkTheSane | sufficed* |
| 06:04.22 | NightHawkTheSane | shoul dprobably not try typing so much after so much cornw. |
| 06:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | should* crown* |
| 06:04.41 | kd3 | crown royal? meh |
| 06:04.46 | WobWork | 'survived'? =) |
| 06:05.51 | Amarande | Then there's the fact that mobs seem to naturally pack amounts of hit rating that raiders could only dream of |
| 06:05.51 | kd3 | "Feign death? Bah, mages drop aggro with REAL death!" |
| 06:06.00 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: i like it. but i finished off the tequila earlier, and it was the only other thing i had, so regardless :P |
| 06:06.09 | Amarande | Like ... level differences where if you were the lower level one, you'd basically NEVER be able to hit the mob |
| 06:06.13 | Amarande | but the mob still hits you 75-100% of the time |
| 06:06.48 | kd3 | Amarande, that's pissed me off forever. I just get to the point where they're hitting for piddly amounts of damage so I can ignore it |
| 06:06.54 | Amarande | Green/gray borderline mobs should NOT be able to hit you regularly |
| 06:07.19 | Amarande | Hell ... the most laughable cases were when I took my 80 lock to Scholomance |
| 06:07.23 | NightHawkTheSane | does it really matter that much? |
| 06:07.33 | Amarande | 30 levels below you? You should be able to pull the whole instance and barely ever get hit |
| 06:07.40 | NightHawkTheSane | if they're green/grey, you should be able to either kill them fast, or walk past them without agroing |
| 06:07.43 | Amarande | Yet they hit almost as if they were only a couple levels below |
| 06:07.48 | kd3 | except for the damned magic-immune ones |
| 06:07.49 | kd3 | grrs |
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| 06:30.43 | Amarande | speaking of damned mobs |
| 06:30.50 | Amarande | one thing I'm starting to hate about casters again |
| 06:30.59 | Amarande | areas where mobs wander around a lot |
| 06:31.23 | Amarande | you see ... strategy suggests that you want to open with your strongest, slowest casting spell |
| 06:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | you DO have croud crontrol |
| 06:31.38 | Amarande | however ... if you're in an area where it's easy to cause two groups to come together due to pats |
| 06:31.58 | Thunder_Child | but do you have crowd controll? |
| 06:32.00 | Amarande | it becomes really difficult to time a 5 second pyroblast so that the mob isn't going to be in a spot that results in a 2-group mob pull when it finishes and hits |
| 06:32.13 | Amarande | I'm thinking mostly |
| 06:32.23 | Amarande | areas where you have like, humanoid camps relatively close together |
| 06:32.26 | NightHawkTheSane | you could always, you know, NOT use your 5s cast, and toss of a fire blast to pull it while it wont agro six things? |
| 06:32.27 | WobWork | well... that's leading the cast |
| 06:32.32 | NightHawkTheSane | OH MY GOD, THAT MIGHT BE COMMON SENSE |
| 06:32.36 | WobWork | pft |
| 06:32.46 | Amarande | and then there's a few single mobs that pat around |
| 06:32.54 | WobWork | psst. humanoid |
| 06:32.57 | Amarande | and of course, they *will* pat such that there's spots where they link 2 camps onto you |
| 06:32.59 | WobWork | baaaaaa |
| 06:33.03 | Shirik | sleeps |
| 06:33.05 | WobWork | sheep them |
| 06:33.08 | WobWork | then hide behind a rock |
| 06:33.19 | WobWork | it'll wear off, they can't cast cause you're out of LoS |
| 06:33.20 | NightHawkTheSane | there is seriously no area in the game that's so hard that any class has an unreasonable difficulty soloing in it. |
| 06:33.22 | WobWork | so they run to you |
| 06:33.25 | NightHawkTheSane | if you do, you're bad. end of story. |
| 06:33.42 | zenzio | Amarande: out of curiosity, could you name a specific camp such as that? |
| 06:33.44 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, no area meant for soloing at leaset) |
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| 06:34.29 | Thunder_Child | ""I never want to have to say, 'Please don't squirt me with your breast milk' again." that needs to be a halmark card |
| 06:34.57 | zenzio | sounds interesting |
| 06:35.07 | Amarande | T_C: nah, that would probably be an american greetings humor card |
| 06:35.23 | WobWork | zenzio: hm, I'd say the rebel camp in STV is pretty bad for that |
| 06:35.27 | Thunder_Child | you make that sound like it doesnt happen |
| 06:35.30 | Amarande | heh. someday when I have kids my then wife and I will have to play around with that idea though T_C :P |
| 06:36.05 | zenzio | WobWork: good point, that one's fair. I know I've come across a few such camps, but can't remember the others at the moment |
| 06:36.32 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 06:36.47 | Amarande | Wob: the various humanoid camps in redridge can be rather a problem too |
| 06:36.49 | Amarande | particularly as a mage |
| 06:36.50 | NightHawkTheSane | the only annoying thing about the rebel camp i ever had was when i was on a class that didn't have an interrupt |
| 06:37.03 | Amarande | the gnoll ones in the east side are particularly a pain in the ass |
| 06:37.04 | WobWork | yeah, or a way to slow/kill runners |
| 06:37.16 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, runners aren't a huge problem. |
| 06:37.28 | WobWork | when they run off, heal themselves and bring back friends? |
| 06:37.36 | Amarande | yeah with the gnoll camp it's not really runners |
| 06:37.47 | Amarande | it's more the pats causing two groups to link together through chain assist aggro |
| 06:37.51 | Amarande | which usually gets you OMNOMNOMed as a mage |
| 06:38.06 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: thats kind of a rarity, often you can kill them as they run with dots, or such |
| 06:38.21 | WobWork | yeah. I was having some difficulty at times with my warrior |
| 06:38.30 | NightHawkTheSane | hamstring? :P |
| 06:38.32 | WobWork | rend and hamstring works |
| 06:38.38 | WobWork | but shieldbash on a cooldown... |
| 06:38.40 | NightHawkTheSane | rend is hella powerful these days |
| 06:38.42 | Amarande | hell, with the sqooshiness of mages at that level |
| 06:38.43 | WobWork | and multiple doctors |
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| 06:38.50 | WobWork | oh |
| 06:38.56 | WobWork | the harpies in STM |
| 06:38.57 | Amarande | even just the pat mob walking by when you're already fighting a camp of 4 can be a serious issue |
| 06:39.01 | WobWork | goddamn storm witches |
| 06:39.03 | zenzio | I've always been perplexed about why fleeing mobs in WoW change direction if you hit them with a movement impairing spell |
| 06:39.04 | WobWork | with no ranged silence |
| 06:39.05 | Amarande | remember, nova doesn't last that long and you can only sheep one |
| 06:39.07 | WobWork | it's painful |
| 06:39.10 | NightHawkTheSane | you knkow, those harpies never bothered me? |
| 06:39.15 | NightHawkTheSane | er -? |
| 06:39.40 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: well, if you're in there below level |
| 06:39.43 | WobWork | which I was |
| 06:39.48 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: well, thats the problem ;) |
| 06:39.50 | WobWork | your aggro range is larger than usual |
| 06:40.49 | Amarande | warriors, and all cloth except warlocks really have big problems with more than two or three mobs until the 40s or so at least |
| 06:41.12 | Amarande | the warriors can't heal and the cloth can't take the hits |
| 06:41.28 | Amarande | and generally most players are limited to CCing a single mob at a time |
| 06:41.32 | Amarande | if they even have CC |
| 06:41.57 | Amarande | and snares usually have long enough cooldowns as to make dealing with a 4+ group difficult |
| 06:42.20 | WobWork | hunters can double icetrap, offtank with the pet and burn down a fourth =) |
| 06:42.22 | WobWork | if they're good enough |
| 06:42.30 | Amarande | you CC one, you snare the group which buys you time to kill one, then you are forced to tank all the rest because they will get in melee and your snare is on CD |
| 06:42.33 | WobWork | actually, I can't remember if they can double icetrap now =( |
| 06:42.44 | Amarande | for mages, tanking more than one mob is often a death sentence |
| 06:42.50 | WobWork | hm, cooldown is the same now so no =( unless they use readiness thing |
| 06:42.57 | WobWork | pity |
| 06:43.00 | NightHawkTheSane | hunters who know what they're doing can solo impressive numbers of mobs. |
| 06:43.27 | WobWork | harder to find nowadays |
| 06:43.35 | NightHawkTheSane | well, idiots are idiots, *shrug* |
| 06:43.44 | WobWork | good hunter CC is hardly ever seen =( |
| 06:43.56 | Amarande | Then you are considering the fact that you still have to deal with that CC'd mob sooner or later, and you're In Combat till you've reset or killed it so you can't eat |
| 06:44.04 | WobWork | That's what FD is for =P |
| 06:44.10 | WobWork | or vanish |
| 06:44.19 | WobWork | and bandages |
| 06:44.21 | WobWork | and evocation |
| 06:44.22 | Amarande | I'm mainly thinking on a mage, the squishiest class and one that doesn't get any real get out of Dodge stuff till 70+ |
| 06:44.28 | Amarande | and remember |
| 06:44.36 | Amarande | I'm a draenei herbalist mage, which is really the best-case scenario for mage survival |
| 06:44.41 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: and pots, and gems, and running the fck away if you have to |
| 06:44.48 | WobWork | mana gems ftw |
| 06:44.56 | Amarande | I'd hate to think what a human without herbalism would have to go through in terms of keeping HP up |
| 06:45.10 | WobWork | bandages =P |
| 06:45.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: not be bad. |
| 06:45.15 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 06:45.37 | NightHawkTheSane | the game does not ask you to do anything unreasonable while leveling, regardless of race or class. |
| 06:45.41 | WobWork | although, I admit, being a draenei does allow me to outlast many higher level fights |
| 06:45.48 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're able to learn, you'll be fine. |
| 06:45.50 | Amarande | Night: okay, you're a mage. how do you handle a camp of 4-5 melee humanoid mobs? |
| 06:45.57 | WobWork | ie, soloing multiple +2 level elites |
| 06:46.10 | Amarande | let's say you're not high enough level for invis or mirror, and blinking will just send you into more mobs' aggro |
| 06:46.29 | WobWork | sheep at range, focus fire, nova, blink, kill, repeat |
| 06:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i refuse to believe that there is any point in the game where you are absoltely required to kill mobs that ONLY spawn in groups that agro in numbers of 4+ |
| 06:46.46 | Amarande | or do most of my problems come from speccing fire |
| 06:46.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: so if i didn't think i could kill the group, i'd jus tsay fuck it. |
| 06:47.00 | Amarande | rather than biting the bullet and using the frost leveling spec, then relearning the class to do instances at 80 |
| 06:47.00 | Thunder_Child | na, fire is a good 2-3 shot kill |
| 06:47.16 | WobWork | dual spec at 40 |
| 06:47.17 | WobWork | and learn then |
| 06:47.22 | Amarande | yeah, the main problem is the length of time the mobs have to wail on you while casting |
| 06:47.25 | NightHawkTheSane | second, what WobWork said. sheep, nova, and focusing targes gets you a pretty long way |
| 06:47.30 | Amarande | pyro is 5 sec, fireball is 3.5 |
| 06:47.39 | Amarande | and scorch may cast quick but you need a lot of them to down anything much |
| 06:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | imp fireball should bring it down to 3. |
| 06:47.42 | NightHawkTheSane | don't use pyro |
| 06:47.56 | NightHawkTheSane | unless you really have the time for the spell, like when you're out of combat. |
| 06:48.09 | WobWork | pyro will break CC too |
| 06:48.11 | WobWork | if you have to use it |
| 06:48.22 | Thunder_Child | i use pyro to start my fights |
| 06:48.27 | Amarande | Yeah, my usual strategy is to open with pyro |
| 06:48.35 | Amarande | which is why I tend to run into trouble where there are a lot of pats |
| 06:48.35 | WobWork | but in reality, you don't -need- to take on 4-5 mobs at a time |
| 06:48.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: yeah, as a starter it's fine, cause you're not in combat. but after that, its just not worth it |
| 06:48.49 | WobWork | you can complete any quest just by picking off the patrols |
| 06:48.54 | Amarande | because the pyro cast time + 30-40 yard projectile travel time, gives a lot of time for things to go south with mob positioning causing extra aggro |
| 06:48.56 | WobWork | especially in redridge |
| 06:49.11 | WobWork | well... -learn- their paths |
| 06:49.13 | WobWork | and lead the cast |
| 06:49.18 | WobWork | they're not -random- |
| 06:49.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, if you're pulling groups larger than 3 you're doing something seriously wrong |
| 06:49.22 | Amarande | Wob: ok, what's the trick to getting Fangore without getting a 4 pull |
| 06:49.23 | Jerub | 16:47 < Jerub> lifeless: so you were right. it was an acl causing the problem. |
| 06:49.26 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.29 | Jerub | 16:48 < hno> lifeless: that's also immediately. But very very large values may |
| 06:49.31 | Amarande | from what I saw, there's Fangore + a buddy |
| 06:49.32 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.33 | WobWork | Amarande: do it like it's designed to. IN A GROUP =P |
| 06:49.35 | Amarande | and another 2-mob pat |
| 06:49.36 | Jerub | sorry, rubber ball paste :/ |
| 06:49.41 | Amarande | and while none are elite |
| 06:49.50 | Amarande | those two groups have a tendency to come very close together while patting. |
| 06:49.59 | WobWork | focus fire on fangore |
| 06:50.01 | Amarande | making it quite difficult to figure out precisely when to cast to get just 2 |
| 06:50.01 | WobWork | and kill him |
| 06:50.20 | WobWork | nova and blink should buy you enough time for that |
| 06:50.25 | WobWork | especially as fire |
| 06:50.27 | Amarande | Wob: for group you're thinking tharizdun or whatever his name is, and the other guy with a name starting with G |
| 06:50.50 | WobWork | and then either die, or run away |
| 06:50.51 | Amarande | Tharil'zun and Gath'somethingogg |
| 06:51.46 | Amarande | unless maybe he *used* to be elite |
| 06:51.53 | Amarande | one thing I haven't really taken into account here is the 2.3 changes |
| 06:52.24 | Amarande | where a lot of quests and mobs were converted from elite to solo, but I'm pretty sure nothing else was done to facilitate them being soloed besides the de-elition |
| 06:52.31 | WobWork | the 2.3 changes pretty much ensure you never have to do any of the high level quests in any area if you don't want to |
| 06:52.41 | Amarande | any other unfavorable circumstances are pretty much the same as before |
| 06:54.05 | Amarande | also: probably really the problem here, anyway |
| 06:54.22 | Amarande | this is my first serious mage, AND it's also the first time I've done a lot of the Alliance specific content |
| 06:54.28 | Amarande | so most of these quests are new to me in addition to the class |
| 06:54.44 | Amarande | with Horde quests it would be easier because I know the areas a lot better and know the tricks |
| 06:55.40 | Amarande | In particular everything I've done in Redridge is new to me, the only time I've ever really wandered around the place was on a HIGH level lock to get explore |
| 06:57.52 | WobWork | http://store.steampowered.com/video/5739 |
| 06:58.01 | Amarande | Silvermoon is also a HIGH pop server, so a lot of times I didn't even know there were supposed to be mobs in a given spot till they repopped while I was engaged with something else |
| 06:58.12 | WobWork | group up =P |
| 06:59.46 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, today's xkcd is awesome, but the hovertext is epic. |
| 07:00.30 | Trela | "For Science." *Pause.* "You monster." |
| 07:01.38 | Amarande | yay, new strat. |
| 07:01.43 | Amarande | nova + flamestrike & blizzard |
| 07:01.59 | Amarande | especially, it feels good putting down flamestrike and then nova'ing the poor mobs so they HAVE to stand in the fire like noobs :D |
| 07:02.02 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: sadly less people than usual will get the hovertext |
| 07:02.19 | Amarande | I really need to start thinking of myself as a "mage with fire spec" rather than a "fire mage" |
| 07:02.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: but i get it. and its awesome. and thats all that matters |
| 07:02.28 | Amarande | too often I forget the usefulness of frost and arcane stuff outside of nova and sheep |
| 07:03.00 | Elkano | Trela: "We are lot alike, you and I. You tested me, I tested you. You killed me, I... oh no, wait... I guess I haven't killed you, yet." |
| 07:03.01 | Amarande | I probably should blizzard more in instances, too |
| 07:03.20 | Amarande | although keeping it up isn't always the easiest thing to do in chain-pull-happy PUGs given how much mana blizzard uses |
| 07:03.40 | WobWork | that's what evocate and mana gems are for |
| 07:03.48 | WobWork | and the fact that, as dps, you -can- sit down and drink |
| 07:04.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ unless you're a healer, or a tank, no one gives a crap if you have to stop for a second to drink/eat |
| 07:04.25 | Amarande | Wob: not always |
| 07:04.38 | Amarande | sometimes the chain pulls are such that you don't leave combat between pulls |
| 07:04.42 | Amarande | and thus are denied the ability to drink |
| 07:04.47 | NightHawkTheSane | so wand |
| 07:04.54 | WobWork | and then stand out of range |
| 07:05.07 | NightHawkTheSane | shit, with evocate on a 4m cd, its not as if you really have to wait THAT long |
| 07:06.08 | NightHawkTheSane | bed time! |
| 07:06.18 | NightHawkTheSane | collapses in a mildly drunken heap. |
| 07:06.59 | Amarande | ... okay, trying to solo tharil'zun may not be such a great idea. |
| 07:07.01 | Jerub | Amarande: no one cares about DPS mana |
| 07:07.04 | Jerub | Amarande: innervate moar. |
| 07:07.05 | WobWork | and if you spec deep into arcane |
| 07:07.09 | WobWork | you can get to 2min |
| 07:07.14 | Amarande | 1700+ hp elite, and he's got an add. |
| 07:07.29 | Jerub | i mean, evocate |
| 07:07.31 | Amarande | part of me thinks I should be able to do it, since he's six levels below (hell, seven levels below is the limit of green at this lvl) |
| 07:07.38 | Amarande | part of me thinks this is a suicide mission to try :) |
| 07:08.19 | WobWork | You're six level above the quest elite mob? |
| 07:08.22 | Amarande | yeah |
| 07:08.37 | WobWork | have you gone and learnt your most recent spell levels? |
| 07:08.47 | Amarande | otoh, he has about twice the HP of a level 30 mob, and I don't know how hard he hits on a sqooshy like me |
| 07:09.02 | Amarande | Wob: I'm 2 levels out of date. Haven't had a convenient moment to go back to SW yet. |
| 07:09.11 | Amarande | Planning to hit it once I go back to Lakeshire to turn in stuff |
| 07:09.32 | WobWork | You're six levels above the mob, you should be wiping the floor with him |
| 07:09.36 | WobWork | no -matter- what class |
| 07:09.51 | WobWork | I was soloing two +2 level elites at 20 |
| 07:11.19 | Torhal | Foof. For anyone who's bold, I completely changed ARL's GUI. |
| 07:11.34 | Torhal | ...in the latest alpha, I should specify. |
| 07:18.10 | Amarande | yay, got a group. |
| 07:18.16 | Amarande | probably a good thing, because even if I'd taken Tharil solo |
| 07:18.27 | Amarande | the OTHER group quest there is two elites together |
| 07:18.45 | Amarande | and who knows what a brute like Gath would have done to a pretty draenei like me :( |
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| 07:22.57 | Amarande | heh ... polymorph works on "beasts, humanoids, and critters" |
| 07:23.07 | Amarande | is there ever a situation where the latter is actually important, maybe in some raid, or is it just for fun? |
| 07:24.17 | Amarande | I keep thinking it has to be important somewhere |
| 07:24.21 | Amarande | maybe it's my JRPG senses tingling |
| 07:24.22 | WobWork | I used to sheep sheep |
| 07:24.36 | Amarande | whenever you get a useless sounding ability like that in a JRPG, there's always that one boss where it turns out you absolutely have to have and use it :P |
| 07:25.24 | Amarande | is there some raid boss somewhere with critter-class adds where it's essential to CC one to disable some foo, or something like that? |
| 07:25.42 | WobWork | nope |
| 07:25.53 | WobWork | most of the time Blizz doesn't want a 'required' class |
| 07:25.55 | WobWork | in encounters |
| 07:26.43 | Amarande | it's like that "null sleep" ability from Digital Devil Saga, that tingled my senses though I guess |
| 07:26.56 | WobWork | Loom |
| 07:27.00 | Amarande | Null Sleep was this passive ability you learned, where if you were in asleep status you were immune to everything |
| 07:27.05 | WobWork | now -there- was a game where every spell counted |
| 07:27.22 | Amarande | however, apart from some random mob groups who liked to ambush you, then cast sleep on all and then a spell that auto kills everyone who's asleep |
| 07:27.27 | Amarande | which can be better covered by Null Nerve anyway |
| 07:27.39 | Amarande | there was really only one spot where there was a point to using it |
| 07:27.45 | Amarande | and in that spot, you HAD to use it, or you failed, utterly |
| 07:28.32 | Amarande | the secret boss, which used an attack which was otherwise undodgeable and dealt 17,000+ damage to all |
| 07:28.42 | Amarande | (Did I mention that the maximum possible hit points in Digital Devil Saga is 999. Heh.) |
| 07:29.10 | Amarande | However, he had buddies that would cast the all-party sleep spell whenever summoned |
| 07:29.25 | Amarande | and under normal circumstances, he'd only ever use that super attack right after that, sooo ... |
| 07:29.40 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/breakfast_house.jpg |
| 07:29.42 | mikma | fucking nom |
| 07:30.02 | WobWork | The bacon curtains add a nice touch |
| 07:30.49 | Amarande | note, under "normal" circumstances |
| 07:30.55 | Amarande | that battle is considered the hardest battle in any RPG for a reason |
| 07:31.03 | Amarande | and I'm including LK25H in that assessment |
| 07:31.37 | mikma | haste: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/fffuu.jpg |
| 07:31.50 | Amarande | the real sucker was that he had two buddies with him at all times, which would throw around all sorts of nasties like instant death and status effects |
| 07:32.08 | Amarande | and if you ever, EVER made yourself immune to ANYTHING (with the exception of using that null sleep skill) |
| 07:32.13 | Amarande | including casting temporary shields |
| 07:32.23 | Amarande | he would IMMEDIATELY respond by using 17,000-to-all-oblivion on you. :) |
| 07:32.46 | Amarande | (well, not quite immediately since it was turn-based, but as soon as he got a turn after you did so) |
| 07:33.12 | Amarande | ... Yeah. LK25H is a walk in the park compared to Hito-Shura. |
| 07:33.28 | Amarande | Even Anub25H and Yogg25+0 are a walk in the park too, and those are said to be harder than LK25H. |
| 07:34.23 | Amarande | Apparently so I'm told, LK25H is not as hard as Anub25H or Yogg25+0 ... is that correct? |
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| 07:36.58 | mikma | http://store.steampowered.com/video/5739 |
| 07:37.31 | DJJeff | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v31qxrXsxv0 |
| 07:37.34 | Amarande | GAH |
| 07:37.37 | Amarande | this guy is harder than the frickin elites |
| 07:38.20 | DJJeff | where are the patch notes for the patch I downloaded tuesday when the servers came back up |
| 07:38.37 | Amarande | it's a tool patch, there are none |
| 07:38.38 | mikma | "For science, you monster." |
| 07:38.52 | DJJeff | and was that just pre 3.3.5 content |
| 07:39.46 | Amarande | AND CAN YOU STUPID GNOLLS NOT LAUGH AT ME EVERY TIME I DIE. |
| 07:41.06 | Amarande | ok. zerged him, but had to die after looting. |
| 07:41.17 | Amarande | not sure how a non-tank class can solo Morganth at a reasonable level |
| 07:41.28 | Amarande | he's part of a group of 3, has a pre-summoned minion and summons another |
| 07:41.42 | Amarande | (not to mention that mobs seem to be absolutely perfect at casting their shadowbolts all at once so they all hit at once) |
| 07:42.03 | Amarande | Eurospike guilds in GW would turn green with envy at groups of caster mobs in WoW lol |
| 07:43.14 | WobWork | Amarande: and where is it actually stated that one -has- to solo him? |
| 07:43.36 | Amarande | Wob: he's not elite and the quest is not group |
| 07:43.46 | Amarande | so you're basically by convention expected to |
| 07:43.53 | WobWork | no... |
| 07:43.57 | WobWork | in fact... not at all |
| 07:44.09 | WobWork | you're basically 'by convention' |
| 07:44.14 | WobWork | expected to kill him |
| 07:44.21 | WobWork | noone says -anything- about 'solo' |
| 07:44.45 | WobWork | PS, learn to kite |
| 07:44.52 | WobWork | you can separate a lot of mobs via kiting |
| 07:44.53 | Amarande | OH FUCK YOU GAME. |
| 07:45.00 | Amarande | sometimes I hate this game. |
| 07:45.02 | Amarande | let's see |
| 07:45.15 | Amarande | I ascended that tower once, when it was the wrong one for the quest I was on and had to go back down |
| 07:45.23 | Amarande | I ascended it again to kill Morganth, and barely managed to do so |
| 07:45.25 | Amarande | and now |
| 07:45.28 | Amarande | I go back to stormwind |
| 07:45.31 | Amarande | pick up my next mage quests |
| 07:45.36 | Amarande | AND HE WANTS ME TO GO BACK THERE AGAIN GODDAMNIT. |
| 07:45.48 | Amarande | Andromath I should strangle you. |
| 07:46.12 | Amarande | please at least tell me the book isn't in Morganth's alcove :| |
| 07:46.48 | WobWork | I think it's on the wall behind him |
| 07:46.52 | WobWork | but I can't recall offhand |
| 07:46.53 | Torhal | Amarande: WTF are you playing? |
| 07:47.03 | Amarande | Torhal: WoW, apparently |
| 07:47.11 | Torhal | Oh. Must be Alliance stuff. |
| 07:47.18 | Amarande | Yeah, it's Alliance |
| 07:47.27 | Amarande | I'm really starting to hate that damned tower |
| 07:47.46 | Amarande | although at least now I have my level 30 skills |
| 07:48.01 | Amarande | Wob: also, on the subject of kiting, that's difficult at best because there's 3-groups on both sides of him |
| 07:48.16 | Amarande | I haven't tried yet, but I don't know if there's time to clear out both groups and be able to use the space to kite him without repops getting you |
| 07:48.27 | Amarande | repops seem to be particularly rapid in that tower, so I'm not very confident there is |
| 07:49.20 | Amarande | and kiting really is only effective when you don't gain adds from doing so :) |
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| 07:54.31 | WobWork | focusfire him down, from across the room |
| 07:54.38 | WobWork | then jump down the middle to escape |
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| 08:10.47 | Amarande | Wob: would work if you only had to Slay him for the quest |
| 08:10.57 | Amarande | you need to loot him, though, and that's where you'll take too much damage to survive the trip back down |
| 08:11.09 | Amarande | damage from all the mobs that hit you (and are now chasing you the whole way down) |
| 08:11.11 | Amarande | damage from the fall |
| 08:11.20 | Amarande | damage from the mobs on the way down (like I said, that area respawns FAST) |
| 08:11.38 | zenzio | I was doing that quest on an alt when the servers went down |
| 08:11.52 | zenzio | was afraid I'd die, so when the servers came back up I logged my main and owned the tower |
| 08:12.09 | Amarande | heh, I still remember manipulating death and ghosts once for that purpose |
| 08:12.13 | Amarande | was when I had a paladin on Quel'dorei |
| 08:12.18 | Amarande | and chose to do the charger quest |
| 08:12.19 | WobWork | featherfall |
| 08:12.22 | WobWork | (psst) |
| 08:12.34 | WobWork | and if you die after looting |
| 08:12.35 | WobWork | it's fine |
| 08:12.36 | Amarande | Wob: I've only ever even *seen* one light feather in my questing so far, heh |
| 08:12.41 | WobWork | as long as you're close enough to the ground |
| 08:12.44 | WobWork | to res safely |
| 08:12.48 | WobWork | pft |
| 08:12.49 | WobWork | lies |
| 08:12.52 | WobWork | go kill more buzzards |
| 08:12.55 | Amarande | actually, if you die at the top you can rez at the bottom |
| 08:12.59 | Amarande | I know this for fact |
| 08:13.00 | zenzio | I see light feathers all the time when I fight birds |
| 08:13.08 | WobWork | or go buy them |
| 08:13.09 | zenzio | isn't there a glyph to remove the reagent? |
| 08:13.12 | WobWork | or go buy the glyph |
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| 08:13.29 | Amarande | yeah, that reminds me, I should pick it up before I leave SW again |
| 08:13.30 | WobWork | I think all the advice so far |
| 08:13.36 | WobWork | boils down to "Suck it up, Princess" |
| 08:13.42 | Amarande | that's actually one of the things I was planning to glyph, too |
| 08:14.15 | Amarande | when I remembered it before I was low level and had no gold, then once I got gold I had forgotten about it :P |
| 08:14.42 | zenzio | it's almost impossible to be low on gold as a lowbie these days |
| 08:14.55 | zenzio | sell all your junk, buy mining, sell copper ore at 80g/stack |
| 08:15.06 | Amarande | zenzio: yeah, was when I was still at bloodmyst and had spent most of my herbalism income on bags |
| 08:15.12 | zenzio | ah |
| 08:15.46 | Amarande | anyway, the manipulating death and ghosts thing I did on Quel'dorei |
| 08:15.52 | Amarande | was when I had to go to Tyr's Hand to get something |
| 08:15.59 | Amarande | and heck if I was going to survive that as a 60 pally heh |
| 08:16.23 | Amarande | so I ran in, died, then cleared out the place with my 70 lock, logged back on, rezzed, and grabbed the quest item |
| 08:17.08 | Amarande | haven't played a pally since BC. :) |
| 08:22.06 | Amarande | so have they explained yet how mage water is going to function with the rankless system in cata? |
| 08:22.16 | Amarande | or will that be one of the few spells to still retain a rank due to unique mechanics? |
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| 08:23.47 | Amarande | I'd be a little annoyed if the rankless system means we wouldn't be able to make lowbie water to help out newer characters anymore |
| 08:24.19 | Amarande | or even simply downrank to make a stack of 20 at a time instead of only 2 like when you first get a new rank of create food or create water |
| 08:48.15 | olafski | "We don't want to make a game full of traps or temptations that you should have to resist." :D |
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| 09:18.58 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/06/video-coincidence/ |
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| 09:19.37 | Sixen | cog|awake! |
| 09:19.58 | Adys | cog|sleep: http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/06/video-coincidence/ - just linked, it's a cool vid you'll find it interesting |
| 09:20.27 | Adys | (nothing new there, just a good summary) |
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| 09:24.37 | olafski | oh dear I have to bookmark that adys :P |
| 09:24.48 | olafski | gonna come in handy so many times |
| 09:25.32 | Adys | olafski: dude, i was gonna bookmark it too, creepy |
| 09:26.00 | olafski | OMG |
| 09:26.03 | olafski | we must be connected |
| 09:26.06 | olafski | do you like computer games too? |
| 09:26.16 | Adys | no. |
| 09:26.19 | olafski | phew |
| 09:26.58 | olafski | that guy animated it nicely too :) |
| 09:27.02 | Adys | aye |
| 09:28.22 | olafski | I'm having a party on friday, gonna ask everyone for their birthdate |
| 09:28.35 | Torhal | olafski: You're the party leader? |
| 09:28.38 | olafski | about 30-35 people attending so I can't lose |
| 09:28.38 | Torhal | ducks. |
| 09:28.40 | olafski | yes torhal |
| 09:28.43 | olafski | I'm graduating =) |
| 09:28.48 | Torhal | Grats |
| 09:29.04 | Wobin | http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/29/world/a-120-year-lease-on-life-outlasts-apartment-heir.html?scp=1&sq=Andre-Francois%20Raffray&st=cse |
| 09:29.06 | olafski | grads*! ha-ha |
| 09:29.22 | Wobin | olafski, what's that you're bookmarking? |
| 09:29.35 | olafski | < Adys> http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/06/video-coincidence/ |
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| 09:32.19 | olafski | also in this party case I'm cheating, I already know that my brother and my father in law have the same birthdate =) |
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| 09:39.17 | Wobin | omg |
| 09:39.26 | Wobin | so the final conclusion |
| 09:39.40 | Wobin | basically states: One in a million chances happen nine times out of ten =) |
| 09:46.19 | olafski | not exactly the conclusion I got from that ;( |
| 09:51.47 | DJJeff | ~seen Elsia |
| 09:51.49 | purl | elsia <n=elsiarow@99.150.141.76> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 182d 5h 49s ago, saying: 'anyway, nite folks'. |
| 09:52.03 | DJJeff | ~seen Cryect |
| 09:52.03 | purl | cryect <n=fefsd@c-71-56-93-39.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 274d 7h 52s ago, saying: 'PvP in WoW has been completely fucked for ages so still confuses me people trying to do it competitively'. |
| 09:53.08 | DJJeff | recount was last updated march 30th 2010 and the verchk doesnt work X_X |
| 09:59.28 | olafski | so dive into the code and fix it :) |
| 09:59.41 | olafski | or grab skada |
| 09:59.53 | DJJeff | I submitted a ticket about it |
| 10:00.11 | olafski | that probably works too eventually |
| 10:00.16 | Fisker | olafski |
| 10:00.18 | Fisker | i killed you |
| 10:01.16 | DJJeff | how do I take over a project that has been long since abandoned like CoolLevelUp X_X |
| 10:01.28 | olafski | you ask the author if you can take it over |
| 10:01.31 | olafski | or you make a fork or something |
| 10:02.00 | DJJeff | hrmmmm say call it something else like [CoolLevelUp Continued] |
| 10:02.03 | DJJeff | or someshit |
| 10:02.11 | olafski | yep |
| 10:02.17 | olafski | or DJJeff's CoolLevelUp |
| 10:02.20 | DJJeff | meh |
| 10:02.25 | DJJeff | that would be super fail |
| 10:02.27 | olafski | it helps if you keep CoolLevelUp in the name so people know what to look for |
| 10:02.27 | zenzio | "Continued" is asking for trouble |
| 10:02.35 | zenzio | then you get CoolLevelUp Continue Continued |
| 10:02.53 | DJJeff | I wanna keep the original authors credit |
| 10:03.01 | Torhal | CoolLevelUp 2 |
| 10:03.13 | DJJeff | I have some minor bugs and hotfixes for it :) |
| 10:03.16 | zenzio | contact the author and ask if you can simply take it over |
| 10:03.22 | DJJeff | that work with 3.3.3 :) |
| 10:03.40 | olafski | CLU 2 might work yeah |
| 10:03.44 | olafski | just link to the original addon |
| 10:03.52 | DJJeff | ~seen MrCool |
| 10:03.53 | purl | mrcool <n=user1@85.65.12.156.dynamic.barak-online.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 814d 8h 27m 40s ago, saying: 'any idea of Fax Server on linux (I want to use window has client)'. |
| 10:03.55 | olafski | but first ask the author, maybe they just don't play anymore but they will want to integrate your patches |
| 10:04.42 | DJJeff | hrmmmm curseforge shows it as being long since abandoned |
| 10:05.04 | DJJeff | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/project-7472/ |
| 10:05.11 | Torhal | He still codes |
| 10:05.28 | Torhal | He last updated Piano 14th of May |
| 10:05.49 | Torhal | And BossEncounter2 on May 10th |
| 10:06.00 | olafski | so you can assume that he will at least reply to your request |
| 10:06.12 | olafski | if he says no you make your own addon, if he says yes you get to work on it :) |
| 10:06.14 | DJJeff | coolio :) |
| 10:06.37 | Torhal | He may take a bit to answer - last time he was on was last month. |
| 10:07.20 | olafski | I requested to take over some chat filter addon, took months for a reply so I gave up :P |
| 10:07.30 | olafski | (only sent a PM on wowinterface though) |
| 10:07.57 | Torhal | You should have commissioned a television advertisement. |
| 10:08.12 | olafski | that might have worked |
| 10:08.17 | olafski | imagine the wtf on that guy's face :P |
| 10:08.21 | Torhal | Haha |
| 10:08.38 | olafski | "hey author of addonspamfilter, please contact olafski on freenode!" |
| 10:08.55 | olafski | I forgot what the name of the addon was.. something that filters the spam that addons make when they load |
| 10:09.19 | DJJeff | doesnt WIM ADDON do that |
| 10:09.23 | DJJeff | and nicely I might add |
| 10:09.31 | olafski | I have no idea :P |
| 10:09.51 | olafski | !StopTheSpam was it probably |
| 10:10.28 | olafski | I like this part of the readme: Oh, if you're an addon author and you're examining my code to get around |
| 10:10.32 | olafski | the filter (it really isn't hard), don't. Think of the users. If they |
| 10:10.32 | olafski | oh sorry about the linebreaks >_< |
| 10:10.36 | olafski | installed my addon, they probably installed it for a reason. |
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| 10:15.21 | DJJeff | how do I get my addon submitted to curseforge? |
| 10:15.43 | DJJeff | nevermind |
| 10:15.46 | DJJeff | link was at the top |
| 10:15.50 | DJJeff | X_X |
| 10:15.53 | DJJeff | (slaps self) |
| 10:15.55 | Torhal | DJJeff: I'm deleting your report - the proper way to go about taking over a project is here: http://kb.curseforge.com/policy/abandoned-and-inactive-projects/ |
| 10:16.23 | zenzio | did you already get a response from the author? |
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| 10:16.36 | DJJeff | I only sent that in like 10 min ago |
| 10:16.40 | DJJeff | I doubt it |
| 10:17.06 | Torhal | That was a report for site admins, which the AddOn author is not, which is why I deleted it. |
| 10:17.09 | Torhal | :D |
| 10:17.38 | DJJeff | oh? |
| 10:17.45 | DJJeff | it doesnt go to the author? |
| 10:17.48 | Torhal | Yes - read the link I just posted. |
| 10:17.54 | Torhal | No, it is a site report. |
| 10:18.01 | Torhal | Only admins see it, |
| 10:18.04 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:18.11 | Wobin | does anyone else not see the wowhead links in http://elitistjerks.com/f77/t97934-wotlk_healing_compendium_v3_3_3_icecrown_citadel_beyond/ ? |
| 10:19.02 | zenzio | they seem missing |
| 10:19.05 | Torhal | I just clicked one and it went here: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#bVcbuhhVRIsffRtoE0c |
| 10:19.13 | zenzio | but wowhead's been acting odd for me yesterday |
| 10:20.04 | Torhal | Now, the part that says "Raid buffed stats from gems for holy priests |
| 10:20.10 | DJJeff | I may just go the [clone] route for now untill I can get hold of the orig author |
| 10:20.11 | Torhal | Has empty wowhead links |
| 10:20.51 | Torhal | DJJeff: Well, the problem with that is that the project is "licensed" as All Rights Reserved, so until such time as the author gives you permission, it won't be on Curse. |
| 10:21.11 | DJJeff | where does it say that? |
| 10:21.14 | Wobin | Torhal, yeah =\ |
| 10:21.37 | DJJeff | not open src ? |
| 10:22.01 | Cairenn | DJJeff: if there is no license specified, it is automatically All Rights Reserved |
| 10:22.21 | Cairenn | A license /gives/ permissions, it doesn't take away from them |
| 10:22.24 | Torhal | The project page on CurseForge actually says "All Rights Reserved" |
| 10:22.40 | Cairenn | Torhal: even more to the point, then :) |
| 10:22.52 | Cairenn | Torhal: but I was just edumacting |
| 10:23.03 | Torhal | He asked where, though :) |
| 10:23.06 | Cairenn | nod |
| 10:23.07 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:23.54 | Cairenn | Wobin, zenzio: (2010-06-16 06:22:26) Noxy: DDoS attack since about 11am yesterday |
| 10:24.01 | Cairenn | (re Wowhead) |
| 10:24.24 | Wobin | Cairenn, but would that affect the links in the post? |
| 10:25.11 | Torhal | No. Either they were left intentionally blank to be filled in later or there's something wrong with their forum databse. |
| 10:25.19 | Torhal | s/databse/database/ |
| 10:25.36 | zenzio | Cairenn: ah, thanks |
| 10:25.46 | Cairenn | Wobin: yeah, that doesn't look to be on Wowhead's end |
| 10:26.51 | Cairenn | zenzio: you're welcome :) |
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| 10:30.22 | Warloco | for a moment there I thought curse was giving away beta keys- but then I realized it was for a different game |
| 10:31.03 | DJJeff | whens starcraft 2 beta phase 2 going down |
| 10:31.14 | Torhal | Last week it ended. |
| 10:31.27 | Torhal | It hits retail this month. |
| 10:31.44 | Maldivia | july 27th is SC2 retail date |
| 10:31.45 | DJJeff | oh nice |
| 10:31.50 | Torhal | Ah, thought it was June |
| 10:31.57 | Torhal | Foof. |
| 10:31.59 | Fisker | fail |
| 10:32.07 | Fisker | i'm a very sick individual |
| 10:32.11 | Torhal | kneecaps Fisker with frozen yogurt. |
| 10:33.05 | Torhal | If there are any bored ARL users, I could use some feedback on the revamped GUI in the latest alpha. |
| 10:34.28 | Warloco | a wow ui? |
| 10:34.37 | Torhal | Ackis Recipe List |
| 10:34.39 | Torhal | ARL |
| 10:34.41 | Warloco | ahh |
| 10:34.48 | Warloco | every so often I use it |
| 10:34.52 | Warloco | what's new? |
| 10:34.59 | DJJeff | I am using ARL Alpha :) |
| 10:35.03 | DJJeff | pretty neet |
| 10:35.13 | Torhal | If you've been using the latest release, there's too many new things to list. :D |
| 10:35.24 | Torhal | Danke |
| 10:35.36 | Warloco | so what are the really cool new things? that might narrow it down :p |
| 10:35.38 | DJJeff | I keep all my addons in Alpha mode :) |
| 10:35.54 | DJJeff | the tooltips are a nice change |
| 10:35.58 | DJJeff | to say the least |
| 10:36.27 | DJJeff | are there any recipies that are no longer obtainable |
| 10:36.45 | Torhal | Yah, planty of old Naxxramas stuff |
| 10:37.04 | DJJeff | sucks cause NAXX is the weekly this week |
| 10:37.09 | Warloco | spellpower on weapon (wow classic) is still available right? |
| 10:37.27 | Fisker | help me Torhal |
| 10:37.41 | Torhal | Warloco: Changelogs for Beta1 is here: http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl/files/10031-v1-1-0-beta1/ and beta2 is here: http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl/files/10115-v1-1-0-beta2/ |
| 10:37.49 | Torhal | Fisker: Help with what? |
| 10:37.59 | Warloco | having a look, thanks Torhal |
| 10:38.12 | Fisker | i'm a very sick individual <- |
| 10:38.27 | DJJeff | of my 80 addons ARL gets updated the most seriously |
| 10:38.33 | Torhal | Fisker: Take your medication. Failing that, create a "reality" television show. |
| 10:39.14 | Fisker | what medication? |
| 10:39.16 | DJJeff | healbot contiuned is getting some work done too |
| 10:39.34 | Torhal | Fisker: LSD, mescaline, absinthe... |
| 10:39.46 | Fisker | i can't afford that |
| 10:40.00 | Torhal | You shouldn't have gotten that damn smart phone then. |
| 10:41.09 | Fisker | :D |
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| 10:43.29 | DJJeff | Alchemy is major fail |
| 10:43.38 | Wella | Ello der, anyone know the name of the BLP file WoW uses for the "new mail" icon? :B |
| 10:43.42 | DJJeff | people dont even ask me for gem transmutes anymore |
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| 10:44.00 | Wella | Can't seem to find it D:< |
| 10:48.42 | DJJeff | would be cool to find out whos ignoring you |
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| 10:53.35 | Torhal | Wella: Interface\CURSOR\Mail looks promising. |
| 10:53.58 | Wella | Na that's the cursor icon which appears when you mouse-over the mailbox. |
| 10:54.06 | Wella | I've just edited AI-Minimap a bit, it's cool. |
| 10:59.46 | zenzio | http://averagecats.com/submissions/cat_uploads/a4bba5c92ed016.jpg |
| 11:02.36 | zenzio | " |
| 11:02.36 | zenzio | Maybe blizzard should make a report turk button against turkish people who don't understand english and ban them untill they passed an english test? " |
| 11:02.44 | zenzio | damnit, again with the newline copy |
| 11:03.07 | theorbtwo | Hm. |
| 11:03.33 | theorbtwo | Just pipe everything through automatic translation. It wouldn't make any less sense then the average WoWer. |
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| 11:04.18 | zenzio | I'm especially amused since this apparently came from a person who'd tried WoW for "more than 3 days now" |
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| 11:18.50 | olafski | djjeff: you could just buy gems and transmute them yourself then sell them again |
| 11:18.54 | olafski | I made about 500g a day with alchemy that way |
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| 11:23.23 | zenzio | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1272913447.png |
| 11:23.48 | Warloco | lmao |
| 11:26.06 | lehigreck | lol nice :D |
| 11:28.19 | Cairenn | *snark* |
| 11:29.45 | zenzio | whenever you say that I think back to Half-Life deathmatch... http://sproily.bullet-head.net/portfolio/img/snark_big.jpg |
| 11:29.52 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 11:30.08 | Cairenn | loves snarks (when I'm throwing them at other people, that is) |
| 11:30.14 | zenzio | yeah |
| 11:30.22 | Fisker | slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:30.25 | Fisker | slapd |
| 11:30.26 | zenzio | and such a spooky squeak noise when you're NOT the one dropping them |
| 11:30.52 | Fisker | i remember those |
| 11:31.08 | Cairenn | yep |
| 11:31.09 | Fisker | HL: Deathmatch on Crossfire = win |
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| 12:00.49 | Legorol | g'morning |
| 12:00.56 | zenzio | y helo thar |
| 12:01.07 | Legorol | what is the recommended way and/or addons to use for profiling which of my addons takes up the most CPU time? |
| 12:01.26 | Legorol | i had a look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Useful_AddOns_for_debugging/profiling, but not sure which ones are worth trying |
| 12:03.53 | zenzio | never tried profiling in WoW. You having trouble with some addon? |
| 12:04.47 | Legorol | i'm having trouble with having too many addons :) |
| 12:04.51 | Legorol | it impacts my framerate in raids |
| 12:04.57 | zenzio | aha |
| 12:05.06 | zenzio | how many addons do you use? |
| 12:05.08 | Legorol | i'd like to kill the offending culprits if i can identify them and if i don't need them desperately |
| 12:05.31 | Legorol | 50-100 myabe, not sure |
| 12:05.37 | Legorol | my system is a bit outdated now and can't cope with it |
| 12:05.41 | jnwhiteh | anything that displays the built-in CPU profiling information is likely sufficient |
| 12:05.54 | jnwhiteh | although the collection of this data will SEVERELY impact your performance =) |
| 12:06.02 | Legorol | right jnwhiteh, that's what i was hoping for, but i was hoping someone can recommend an addon that already does that |
| 12:06.12 | Legorol | none of the ones i found on the above wiki page is like that |
| 12:06.48 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 12:06.57 | jnwhiteh | I'm sure Shadowed has something. OptionHouse used to do it. |
| 12:07.27 | krka | i'd like a sampling profiler for wow! |
| 12:07.46 | krka | i wrote one for kahlua, but that takes advantages of multithreading |
| 12:08.16 | Legorol | thanks jnwhiteh, i'll try OptionHouse |
| 12:12.02 | jnwhiteh | I don't know that it sitll works |
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| 12:24.11 | krka | ooh nice http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/ |
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| 12:28.02 | DJJeff | FuBar_PerformanceFu |
| 12:28.23 | DJJeff | shows everything you need to know about framerate ram usage and cpu time |
| 12:28.33 | DJJeff | and latency |
| 12:30.34 | DJJeff | ckknight is the author of that amazing addon |
| 12:30.39 | DJJeff | he comes in here too |
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| 12:32.44 | DJJeff | here is a screenshot of that in action |
| 12:32.45 | DJJeff | http://i48.tinypic.com/muj49s.jpg |
| 12:33.09 | DJJeff | awwwwwww ARL is on the top of my list X_X |
| 12:33.20 | DJJeff | as far as memory usage |
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| 12:45.24 | Fisker | ownt DJJeff |
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| 12:59.39 | DJJeff | ? |
| 13:01.13 | Fisker | owned |
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| 13:33.04 | alestane | Poor Momo, she looks so earnest and desperate: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1483 |
| 13:35.38 | Lopeppeppy | Squirrel is required for blood sacrifice, to make the thermal paste bond better. |
| 13:35.48 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 13:35.53 | Lopeppeppy | oh hi |
| 13:35.55 | Fisker | not so hey alestane though |
| 13:36.36 | Lopeppeppy | he understands. |
| 13:37.01 | alestane | HTTP RESPONSE 301. Your scorn has been permanently redirected. |
| 13:37.37 | alestane | And it's fine, really. No sane person spends time looking at me when Peppy is standing nearby. |
| 13:37.56 | zenzio | truth |
| 13:38.34 | Lopeppeppy | See, he understands. |
| 13:39.18 | Fisker | 404 - Care not found |
| 13:39.19 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 13:59.15 | Shirik | me pokes Fisker |
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| 14:07.42 | Shirik | welp |
| 14:07.46 | Shirik | wikipedia is broken |
| 14:08.47 | olafski | zomg |
| 14:09.14 | krka | i blame vuvuzela |
| 14:09.45 | olafski | for everything! |
| 14:09.45 | Shirik | flagged revisions has created a very strange user right |
| 14:09.52 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/1d0158bb957d79e098bddfcc290be511.png |
| 14:10.00 | Shirik | it's assigned to few people automatically somehow |
| 14:10.22 | Shirik | and it doesn't show up in either my "groups you cannot change" nor my "groups you can change" |
| 14:10.56 | mikma | omg cheat |
| 14:10.57 | kd3 | someone played with LocalSettings.php? |
| 14:12.01 | Shirik | -tech is confused right now |
| 14:16.35 | Shirik | oh sweet, it gets better |
| 14:16.41 | Shirik | they're being assigned those groups on their own |
| 14:17.02 | Shirik | (del/undel) 19:52, 15 June 2010 Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk | contribs | block) changed rights for User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao from Autoreviewers and Reviewers to Autoreviewers, Reviewers and Editors â (autopromoted) |
| 14:17.37 | kd3 | the autoreview extension's granting it? |
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| 14:18.01 | Shirik | assuming you mean pending changes, I guess so |
| 14:18.16 | Shirik | but nobody knows wtf it is |
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| 14:29.24 | Wella | Ello der |
| 14:29.37 | Wella | Can anyone tell me the name of the BLP file Blizzard uses for quality glow? :) |
| 14:29.58 | Shirik | why would you need to know this? |
| 14:30.27 | Shirik | wait, what is quality glow? |
| 14:30.32 | jnwhiteh | heh =) |
| 14:31.10 | Wella | Because I want to edit it, it looks ugly |
| 14:31.14 | Wella | Quality glow as in |
| 14:31.18 | jnwhiteh | we have no idea what you're talking about =) |
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| 14:31.23 | Wella | ... |
| 14:31.29 | Wella | Gimme a chance to explain lolololol |
| 14:31.29 | Wella | sec |
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| 14:31.43 | Wella | It's not a default UI thing but I can't find the texture within any bag addon either |
| 14:31.55 | Wella | Some addons allow you to add a glow around item borders depending on their quality |
| 14:31.59 | Wella | I.e. a blue glow if the item's Rare, etc. |
| 14:32.10 | Wella | I'm pretty sure the addons that do that take advantage of an already existing WoW texture. |
| 14:32.17 | Wella | I was just wondering if anyone knows the name of that texture. |
| 14:32.25 | Shirik | I think you're referring to the highlight border? |
| 14:32.25 | jnwhiteh | I do. |
| 14:32.29 | Wella | Can't find it anywhere in the "Blizzard Interface Art" folder. |
| 14:32.36 | jnwhiteh | Interface\Buttons\UI-ActionButton-Border |
| 14:32.38 | Wella | Highlight border, glow, same diff |
| 14:32.48 | Wella | Hmm... |
| 14:32.51 | Shirik | that's it ^ |
| 14:32.56 | Wella | I had tried modifying that before but got strange results. |
| 14:32.59 | Wella | Well, I'll try again. Thanks. |
| 14:33.00 | Wella | :) |
| 14:33.10 | olafski | just look at how the bag addons do it =) |
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| 14:33.22 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/BUTTONS/UI-ActionButton-Border.png specifically |
| 14:33.29 | Shirik | wtf is this |
| 14:33.29 | Wella | Yeah |
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| 14:33.31 | Wella | I have a converter |
| 14:33.45 | foxlit | Hm, I should've bid offspec on more tropies of the crusade :/ |
| 14:33.48 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15312-BagBuddy.html uses this. |
| 14:33.48 | Shirik | Stalked summary: "[[WP:AES|â]]Created page with 'george bush is the best president ever if you hate him. punch a mexican baby in the face. theres going to be allot of dead mexican babies'" (matched is the best) used by [[User:Money onwer]], edited [[User:Money onwer]]; Diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=368393731&rcid=379154419 |
| 14:34.04 | mikma | shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_policy -> did someone link this already? |
| 14:34.12 | jnwhiteh | I'm off, ttyl |
| 14:34.19 | Shirik | Mikk? |
| 14:34.19 | Wella | Well, I use Stuffing, so I'll check out how it does the glow. |
| 14:34.22 | Shirik | mikma*? |
| 14:34.28 | Shirik | bai jnwhiteh |
| 14:34.43 | mikma | shirik: yeeeees? |
| 14:34.52 | Shirik | what are you talking about >< |
| 14:35.09 | Wella | Ah, it is indeed that same texture. |
| 14:35.36 | mikma | shirik: they started to do some changes in wikipedia this week |
| 14:35.55 | Shirik | yes |
| 14:36.09 | Shirik | looked at the world of warcraft article? |
| 14:36.19 | mikma | maybe that's what's causing all that fuzz you whined about moments ago! |
| 14:36.22 | foxlit | I like how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford's_Law still crashes my browser. |
| 14:36.26 | Shirik | 22:12, 15 June 2010 Shirik (talk | contribs | block) m (69,954 bytes) (Changed protection level of World of Warcraft: Day 2 pending Changes trial ([move=sysop] (indefinite))) (undo) |
| 14:36.27 | Shirik | 22:12, 15 June 2010 Shirik (talk | contribs | block) m (69,954 bytes) (Configured pending changes settings for World of Warcraft: Day 2 pending Changes trial [Accept: require "autoconfirmed" permission]) (rollback(AJAX) | undo) [automatically accepted] |
| 14:36.37 | Shirik | yay pending changes |
| 14:36.43 | Shirik | we can finally unlock world of warcraft |
| 14:37.21 | Shirik | how does that crash your browser foxlit? |
| 14:37.35 | foxlit | In awesome ways, Shirik. |
| 14:38.08 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/137742 << enjoy. |
| 14:38.52 | Shirik | ah |
| 14:38.54 | Shirik | I found the problem |
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| 14:39.10 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+c] by ChanServ |
| 14:39.15 | Shirik | oh f off |
| 14:39.21 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-c] by Shirik |
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| 14:39.22 | Shirik | Thread 0 Crashed: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread |
| 14:39.23 | Shirik | bah |
| 14:39.28 | Shirik | well imagine that com.apple is bold |
| 14:40.06 | Shirik | tell me, does this fix it foxlit? |
| 14:40.24 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benford's_Law&useskin=monobook |
| 14:40.31 | foxlit | Yes, it's vector. |
| 14:40.35 | Shirik | oh |
| 14:40.41 | Shirik | but only that page? |
| 14:40.42 | foxlit | Or not |
| 14:41.00 | foxlit | monobook seems less predictable |
| 14:41.21 | foxlit | In that it actually seems to work now, but your link crashed it the first time I clicked on it. |
| 14:41.54 | foxlit | cache-clearing refresh kills it. |
| 14:42.54 | foxlit | Doesn't crash on other pages as far as I can tell |
| 14:42.56 | Wella | Whyyyy :( Whenever I edit UI-ActionButton-Border, all I end up with is some dots below the icons. :'( |
| 14:44.08 | foxlit | So the question is which 4-bit indexed PNGs are actually used on that page |
| 14:45.20 | foxlit | http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/0/0/7/0073ca364c4b006a2d2508718966451d.png |
| 14:45.30 | foxlit | Instant SIGSEGV |
| 14:46.04 | foxlit | In practically every application that relies on ImageIO. |
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| 14:52.43 | mikma | http://izismile.com/2010/06/16/clever_calendar_for_medical_equipment_14_pics.html |
| 14:52.47 | mikma | I WANT THAT CALENDAR! |
| 14:55.29 | foxlit | #!/bin/sh topic: "POSIX sucks" |
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| 14:57.02 | olafski | cool stuff mikma |
| 14:58.56 | Spejnar | jnwhiteh: I am now the "proud" owner of a 2nd edition, not autographed though >.< |
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| 15:02.29 | p3lim | Anyone knows what song this is? http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/1547/ |
| 15:04.26 | foxlit | Hm, so there's no actual way to figure out what items are in a particular equipment set? That seems odd. |
| 15:08.02 | p3lim | you can get the bit locations of a set |
| 15:08.18 | Maldivia | p3lim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLESpHrtvxs <-- that one? |
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| 15:10.15 | Wobin | http://www.thehighdefinite.com/2010/06/care-bears-back-in-action/ |
| 15:10.21 | Wobin | ^^ |
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| 15:12.11 | Fisker | umad Wobin? |
| 15:12.19 | olafski | hahaha |
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| 15:16.13 | Ackis | hey cog|sleep how you liking STO? :P |
| 15:19.47 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 15:21.59 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk, http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-COGITO-CRANBERRY&Category_Code=QC |
| 15:22.08 | Ackis | http://purpleslinky.com/offbeat/the-royal-canadian-mounted-police/ |
| 15:22.50 | Ackis | I didn't know that the RCMP has international jurisdiction |
| 15:22.58 | Ackis | (aka they can cross the border and arrest someone) |
| 15:24.07 | cog|sleep | Ackis: lolwut |
| 15:24.17 | cog|sleep | (gdit i knew i keep forgetting something >< ) |
| 15:24.23 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/s.php?f=062010&p=when_you_see_it.jpg |
| 15:24.30 | Wobin | that's... really well done |
| 15:25.36 | Ackis | what am I supposed to be seeing? |
| 15:26.32 | Ackis | "In short, the Mounties alone compose a force fear-worthy enough to, at the very least, conquer Alaska if Sarah Palin ever tries to make a comeback." lulz |
| 15:26.36 | Fisker | not so hey cogwheel |
| 15:26.50 | olafski | is facebook copying wikipedia or something? |
| 15:27.25 | olafski | http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Radar/ stuff like that.. it's copied from wikipedia and has a bunch of links to other pages that are also from wikipedia.. I wonder if it updates when wikipedia updates ;) |
| 15:27.25 | Maldivia | Wobin: hehe, yeah :) |
| 15:27.51 | Wobin | Ackis, when you see it... |
| 15:28.26 | olafski | I don't see it :( |
| 15:28.44 | Maldivia | Wobin: perhaps the meme hasn't reached him yet? |
| 15:28.50 | cogwheel | Ackis: their website is fail |
| 15:29.03 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/s.php?f=062010&p=keanu_on_a_bike.jpg |
| 15:29.14 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThKNt-GY1ww |
| 15:29.28 | olafski | lol |
| 15:29.49 | mikma | wobin: server not found :( |
| 15:31.19 | Wobin | really? |
| 15:31.20 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/062010/small_keanu%20on%20a%20bike.jpg |
| 15:31.21 | Wobin | hm |
| 15:31.32 | olafski | cmon tell us what we're supposed to be seeing wobin :( |
| 15:31.54 | mikma | gamma it! |
| 15:32.05 | Maldivia | olafski: take the image you've just seen, and then look at the other again closely |
| 15:32.26 | mikma | i can't see it, "server not found" :( |
| 15:32.27 | olafski | I see the keanu thing |
| 15:32.36 | olafski | don't see what's wrong in the picture with that girl |
| 15:32.40 | Wobin | hm, perhaps mikma is broken |
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| 15:33.41 | Wobin | http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/9GnGFBysKSUm.jpg |
| 15:33.44 | Wobin | mikma, ^ |
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| 15:34.14 | Wobin | olafski, look at the first picture |
| 15:34.17 | Wobin | and ignore Kate Perry |
| 15:34.23 | mikma | meh, after seeing the original that's way too easy |
| 15:34.53 | olafski | oh.. lol |
| 15:35.08 | olafski | doesn't seem very funny to me.. but that's probably just me :P |
| 15:36.26 | Wobin | yeah, the joke's been run down =P |
| 15:36.34 | Wobin | it's the incongruity that's funny |
| 15:36.38 | Wobin | cause you don't expect it |
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| 15:38.15 | olafski | bleh :P |
| 15:38.19 | olafski | I'm used to better jokes from you! |
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| 15:41.24 | Fisker | FREE GOATSE |
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| 15:57.18 | Fisker | isn't that right Kalroth ? |
| 15:57.35 | Kalroth | Definitely not. |
| 15:57.57 | Fisker | oh |
| 15:58.12 | Fisker | so you are against people different from you? |
| 16:00.17 | foxlit | Gems appear to have no stats :/ |
| 16:00.19 | Ackis | ~wowquote |
| 16:00.23 | Ackis | [08:29] <Foulwynd> You know, if you watch Jaws backwards, it's about a shark that throws up so many people, that they have to open a beach.. |
| 16:00.32 | Spejnar | do I need to restart wow when changing a lua file or is a ui reload enough? And cant I create an instance of another class by just typing r = Rocket() or Im confused? |
| 16:00.42 | foxlit | Reload is fine. |
| 16:00.50 | foxlit | If you're just *changing* a lua file. |
| 16:01.01 | Spejnar | yeah, just changing |
| 16:01.15 | Spejnar | hmm |
| 16:01.30 | foxlit | Classes are a myth, so I can't comment on that. |
| 16:01.44 | Ackis | ~wowquotes |
| 16:01.55 | Ackis | bah what's that quote command that Adys uses? |
| 16:02.02 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 16:02.02 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 16:02.11 | Ackis | ~Adys++ |
| 16:02.15 | Ackis | merci |
| 16:02.58 | foxlit | Hm, probably because gems are spells. |
| 16:03.06 | foxlit | Sucks. |
| 16:04.05 | p3lim | Maldivia: thanks :) |
| 16:04.10 | Adys | foxlit: they're not |
| 16:04.15 | Adys | gems are enchants |
| 16:04.29 | Ackis | applying the gem would be a spell however |
| 16:04.34 | Adys | no |
| 16:04.43 | foxlit | Enchants kind of don't have stats either. |
| 16:04.50 | Adys | They do |
| 16:04.59 | Adys | Enchants can have stats, spells or sockets |
| 16:05.07 | Adys | or on-use effects |
| 16:05.26 | foxlit | Right. None of this is exposed at this API level. |
| 16:05.27 | Mikk | Spejnar: you can use metatables in Lua to create something that sorta kinda behaves like classes but not really. it usually isn't worth it. |
| 16:05.44 | Adys | Course not |
| 16:05.51 | Adys | you have to tooltip scan |
| 16:06.13 | durcyn | there's still no API for hidden enchant auras? |
| 16:06.31 | durcyn | I could've sworn I saw MSBT display the gains |
| 16:06.40 | Mikk | hidden enchant auras? |
| 16:06.44 | Mikk | procs? |
| 16:07.10 | Lopeppeppy | my lunch is inedible, because I am an idiot and I didn't read the ingredients behind the ingredients. Argh. |
| 16:07.11 | Mikk | anything with a "proc" will show up as a regular buff |
| 16:07.23 | Spejnar | Mikk: thats most likely not my problem, got a "class" called Rocket.lua that i need to create an instance of in another file so be able to call functions and stuff, probably not how it works in Lua though |
| 16:07.25 | durcyn | no, not procs, enchants. |
| 16:07.29 | alestane | Inedible in general, or inedible by you? |
| 16:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | inedible by me. No one else's tummy matters to me. :P |
| 16:08.07 | alestane | Can you find something else that isn't? |
| 16:08.30 | Lopeppeppy | I have corn chips in my desk. Not really able to just "go find" things anymore. |
| 16:08.36 | Mikk | Spejnar: Files in Lua are just naming scopes. If you want to be able to reach something declared as local in another file, you better expose a reference to it via some other means =) |
| 16:09.45 | Mikk | (But then again, was it really local to begin with... hmmmm ;)) |
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| 16:14.33 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:16.07 | Lopeppeppy | Morning dear. |
| 16:19.02 | cogwheel | MORNING |
| 16:23.10 | Lunessa | No more caffeine for cogwheel. |
| 16:23.20 | eidolarr | why is airtrans so cheap? |
| 16:24.10 | mikma | cause they are all transsexuals |
| 16:24.17 | cogwheel | finishes his espresso |
| 16:24.33 | Lunessa | wants an espresso. |
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| 16:25.32 | mikma | sexpresso |
| 16:25.44 | malreth | Lunessa: http://www.sweetmarias.com/sweetmarias/espresso/espresso-machine/rancilio-miss-silvia-ss-espresso-machine.html |
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| 16:32.23 | Lunessa | malreth: that looks like a nice device for the home of someone less lazy than me. ' |
| 16:33.06 | malreth | Lunessa: nonsense. just have the help take care of it |
| 16:33.51 | Lunessa | malreth: I need someone to support me in the lifestyle to which I'd like to become accustomed. |
| 16:34.55 | malreth | Lopeppeppy, would you by any chance have any peanut butter? |
| 16:35.05 | malreth | I just ran out. *sadface* |
| 16:35.18 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, I could stab you in the eye for that. |
| 16:35.29 | Lunessa | with a spork. |
| 16:35.37 | Lopeppeppy | But the answer is that no, I don't have any peanut butter. |
| 16:36.02 | malreth | :( no, i like my eye |
| 16:36.13 | Ackis | lol http://i.imgur.com/ipxop.gif |
| 16:36.16 | Ackis | well played IMO |
| 16:36.17 | Lopeppeppy | I like myself not-sick, no peanut butter! |
| 16:36.47 | malreth | you're peanut allergic? |
| 16:37.02 | Ackis | http://iamhilarious.com/england-vs-united-states-1-1-draw/ better url for that link |
| 16:37.34 | alestane | I don't think she'd offer to stab you in the eye if she were generally allergic. |
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| 16:38.35 | malreth | alestane: well, you never know. maybe she *LIKES* stabbing people in their eye? |
| 16:38.53 | Lunessa | If she doesn't, I do. I mean... really... who wouldn't? |
| 16:38.59 | Ackis | she does |
| 16:39.04 | malreth | true, true |
| 16:39.50 | Lopeppeppy | Very true. |
| 16:40.25 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, I'm on a strict elimination diet for allergy-type things. I can't eat... just about anything... peanuts and sugar included. So peanut butter is out on 2 counts. |
| 16:40.25 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: what about grape jelly? is that ok? |
| 16:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Fruit and sugar. |
| 16:40.55 | malreth | sorry to hear that |
| 16:40.55 | Lunessa | And... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEXHeTcxQy4 - you'll thank me later. |
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| 16:47.44 | Ackis | Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 16:48.15 | durcyn | hard to sleep with a million vuvuzelas droning on at 140dB |
| 16:48.53 | malreth | you'd think that if they were to make the break room into a meeting room because we're out of space in the building, they'd at least have the decency to NOT SCHEDULE MEETINGS DURING THE LUNCH HOUR |
| 16:50.03 | Lopeppeppy | Won't last forever, malreth, and I'll be healthier afterward, yup. |
| 16:50.28 | Lopeppeppy | As for your meeting/lunch conflict, I'd ask the meeting people if they want to go in on ordering a large pizza. |
| 16:50.52 | Lunessa | malreth: That's not what happened here. Took over the break room and converted it. Now people schedule lunches around whatever gorram meetings are in there. |
| 16:51.12 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: have you considered traditional chinese medicine? |
| 16:52.06 | theorbtwo | malreth: If traditional chinese medicine worked, some drug company would have figured out why and made it into a pill. |
| 16:52.40 | malreth | theorbtwo: there's a fallacy there, you know |
| 16:53.09 | theorbtwo | That being? |
| 16:53.27 | malreth | appeal to authority... hold on... i'm out of practice |
| 16:54.08 | Lopeppeppy | malreth, I'm seeing a naturopathic doctor already. |
| 16:54.26 | theorbtwo | Eh, appeal to authority is a stretch here. I'm not saying it's true because such-and-such authority says it is. |
| 16:54.39 | malreth | yeah... i have it backwards... or sidewards |
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| 16:55.21 | malreth | 1. some drug companies actually have tried to do that. they take and distill one of the essential compounds from some herb and sell that |
| 16:55.35 | theorbtwo | Yes, indeed. |
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| 16:56.03 | alestane | (However, I think it's harder to patent natural reductions, so not as much money in that research.) |
| 16:56.05 | Adys | Where's the new addon-level ... documented? |
| 16:56.11 | theorbtwo | If one of them had, it's probable that Lopeppeppy's doctor would have tried it. |
| 16:56.11 | malreth | 2. even if they haven't done that, doesn't mean that the traditional herbal remedy doesn't work |
| 16:56.54 | theorbtwo | alestane: The limit for patenting things is pretty low. Certianly things have been patented following that pattern. Asprin, for example. |
| 16:57.09 | theorbtwo | (It's not currently patented, but that's because it expired.) |
| 16:57.14 | malreth | anyways, i'd love to wax logical on all this but i've got to go have lunch with a sexy single mother |
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| 16:57.34 | theorbtwo | malreth: Sounds like a much better ieda. |
| 16:57.36 | theorbtwo | idea. |
| 16:57.53 | Lopeppeppy | enjoy lunch. |
| 16:58.05 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:58.10 | Fisker | also ackis |
| 16:58.13 | Fisker | it's bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 16:58.26 | theorbtwo | Enjoy the MILF. |
| 17:02.00 | alestane | Interesting choice of fashions in that video, Lunessa. |
| 17:02.20 | Lunessa | alestane: It's a song about a Chelsea thug and a stripper... |
| 17:02.32 | alestane | I find it amusing that I see people on the street wearing less than that in summer...and those clothes were UNDERWEAR when they were in fashion. |
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| 17:03.45 | Lunessa | Yeah. Totally. :) |
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| 17:05.42 | alestane | Now, I must in search of lunch. |
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| 17:16.12 | Fisker | hey alestane |
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| 17:22.23 | batrick | >.> |
| 17:22.29 | batrick | <.< |
| 17:27.52 | Vilkku | opinion time! favourite LDB display addon - go! |
| 17:28.37 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom. |
| 17:28.38 | foxlit | LDB :/ |
| 17:28.55 | foxlit | Unhelpful high-five, NHTS :) |
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| 17:29.18 | Fisker | my hey foxlit |
| 17:29.29 | foxlit | You monster, Fisker. |
| 17:29.51 | foxlit | Perhaps re-parsed to "Fisker, you monster." |
| 17:29.56 | Vilkku | why the sad face foxlit? |
| 17:31.05 | foxlit | No particular reason; just not using ldb. |
| 17:31.05 | Antiarc | Wow |
| 17:31.14 | Antiarc | Linode just upgraded EVERYONE's RAM |
| 17:31.19 | Antiarc | For free |
| 17:31.20 | Antiarc | http://blog.linode.com/2010/06/16/linode-turns-7-big-ram-increase/ |
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| 17:32.30 | zenzelezz | Antiarc: sweett |
| 17:32.31 | zenzelezz | -t |
| 17:33.18 | Antiarc | No, that's definitely a double-T-appropriate article :) |
| 17:34.06 | foxlit | I'll eventually have to solve the problem of actually updating the linux distribution on a linode :/ |
| 17:34.18 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: that's awesome =) |
| 17:34.26 | Antiarc | If it's a RHEL/centos install, it's trivial, foxlit |
| 17:34.29 | Antiarc | I don't know about other distros |
| 17:34.32 | jnwhiteh | lua_bot: go away, and come back. |
| 17:34.33 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'away' |
| 17:34.47 | durcyn | gentoo on linode without an external binhost was a fun adventure |
| 17:34.48 | Antiarc | But centos is just "install the upgrade RPM, rpm --upgrade, reboot" |
| 17:34.48 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 17:34.58 | durcyn | compiling glibc = dead node, guaranteed |
| 17:35.02 | foxlit | Antiarc: fedora, so probably the same. |
| 17:35.07 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 17:35.10 | Antiarc | Shouldn't be a huge problem |
| 17:35.21 | foxlit | only behind by like 5 releases. |
| 17:35.22 | Antiarc | I have a dev box under my desk that I started on Redhat 5 |
| 17:35.25 | durcyn | er, they don't include yum in their copy of fedora? |
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| 17:35.35 | Antiarc | Err, yeah, yum |
| 17:35.38 | Antiarc | yum --upgrade |
| 17:35.42 | Antiarc | Not rpm :P |
| 17:35.44 | Antiarc | I'm tired |
| 17:35.45 | Blia | hello |
| 17:35.46 | durcyn | update -y, like a man. |
| 17:35.46 | Antiarc | Or something similar |
| 17:35.49 | durcyn | don't even read the package list. |
| 17:36.14 | batrick | time to reboot |
| 17:36.31 | foxlit | "Rebooting after such an upgrade is always very exciting." |
| 17:36.47 | Antiarc | It is. |
| 17:36.49 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiKwAS1qaCk Happy Captain Picard Day! |
| 17:36.59 | zenzelezz | "Configuration complete. Now type 'make' and pray." |
| 17:37.03 | Blia | If i download and use some of the wowprogramming.com codes, will it work without changing some of the functions and frames ' names ? |
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| 17:37.31 | Blia | i guess it won't work because the game already uses these names, right ? |
| 17:37.35 | Antiarc | Why not try it and find out? :) |
| 17:37.56 | jnwhiteh | <3s the extra RAM |
| 17:38.06 | jnwhiteh | tho I've heard good things about rackspace cloud server hosting |
| 17:38.15 | nevcairiel | moar ram is always good |
| 17:38.24 | Lunessa | They need a picture of a cat, "Ohai. I upgradded ur rams." |
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| 17:38.31 | durcyn | rackspace is expensive, but usually worth it |
| 17:38.57 | Antiarc | I have absolutely nothing but good things to say about Linode. :D |
| 17:39.08 | batrick | \o/ |
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| 17:39.18 | nevcairiel | i do think they are a bit pricy |
| 17:39.27 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 17:39.29 | jnwhiteh | linode has been great |
| 17:39.34 | jnwhiteh | although when the backups run at night |
| 17:39.39 | jnwhiteh | disk io shoots up there |
| 17:39.48 | Ackis | Fisker: what did you get me for Captain Picard day? |
| 17:39.52 | Antiarc | OTOH, Rackspace charges you $$$ to do backups. :P |
| 17:39.58 | batrick | Mem: 524484k total, 153020k used, 371464k free, 51176k buffers |
| 17:40.00 | batrick | \o/ |
| 17:40.05 | jnwhiteh | Mem: 511856k total, 134084k used, 377772k free, 8072k buffers |
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| 17:40.15 | batrick | hey I got more than Jim |
| 17:40.16 | jnwhiteh | wonder why the difference in total? |
| 17:40.17 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 17:40.20 | Antiarc | Mem: 553184k total, 474536k used, 78648k free, 19360k buffers |
| 17:40.23 | batrick | double \o/ |
| 17:40.23 | Antiarc | But I haven't rebooted yet |
| 17:40.26 | batrick | !!! |
| 17:41.03 | batrick | !calc 1+1 |
| 17:41.03 | harl | !calc: 1+1 = 2 |
| 17:41.10 | batrick | whoa |
| 17:41.22 | batrick | new bot |
| 17:41.33 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 17:41.35 | batrick | !lua return 1 |
| 17:41.36 | batbot | batrick: > 1 |
| 17:41.37 | Antiarc | I should be at 692mb on each of my VMs now |
| 17:41.40 | batrick | i guess i messed up |
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| 17:42.07 | nevcairiel | Mem: 8191748k total, 2491796k used, 5699952k free, 333360k buffers |
| 17:42.08 | nevcairiel | do i win? |
| 17:42.14 | Fisker | linode is pretty horrible Antiarc |
| 17:42.15 | batrick | neva! |
| 17:43.10 | Antiarc | You're pretty horrible fisker |
| 17:44.17 | Fisker | they're pretty expensive :O |
| 17:44.24 | nevcairiel | thats what i've been saying |
| 17:44.28 | nevcairiel | but maybe thats normal for US |
| 17:44.29 | Antiarc | They're high-performance and extremely reliable |
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| 17:45.09 | Shadowed | Oh right, I guess rebooting the Linode would also kick me off IRC! |
| 17:45.12 | Thunder_Child | if they are so bad Fisker what would you suggest? |
| 17:45.21 | Fisker | your mom Thunder_Child |
| 17:45.37 | Thunder_Child | so classy Fisker |
| 17:45.51 | Fisker | indeed |
| 17:46.01 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh: Rackspace is mostly more expensive due to paying for your bandwidth, the actual server cost is slightly more expensive than Linodes for what you get, but they get you on bandwidth |
| 17:47.28 | Fisker | http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-eq/ <-this is what i used back in the day |
| 17:47.46 | nevcairiel | btw Antiarc your VM there must be getting slow these days, with just ~80mb free, not much space for buffers and cache |
| 17:47.57 | nevcairiel | Fisker: i have a eq4 |
| 17:48.03 | Shadowed | Mem: 2228 1001 1226 0 17 170 |
| 17:48.04 | Shadowed | wheee |
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| 17:48.31 | Fisker | they had pretty awesome support |
| 17:49.04 | Fisker | Had them hook me up to a KVM for free when i had a problem |
| 17:49.17 | nevcairiel | i know alot of people with them, noone ever complained |
| 17:49.20 | nevcairiel | so i got one as well |
| 17:49.36 | nevcairiel | the hardware they offer is just so much better then other companys, for that money |
| 17:49.47 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:49.51 | Shadowed | The trick to running something on low memory is to be very very careful! |
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| 17:58.03 | malreth | removes half of Shadowed's brain. |
| 17:58.10 | malreth | now you're low on memory... be very careful |
| 18:04.42 | cogwheel | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4112713&l=a671a16949&id=563064469 |
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| 18:06.35 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look, my miniscule raise will be in effect next week. Some day, I may earn as much as they hired me for! |
| 18:06.54 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: cheers! |
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| 18:08.01 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: are those full, or empty? and yours? |
| 18:08.11 | cogwheel | empty and mine |
| 18:08.21 | cogwheel | well the soap is technically "full" |
| 18:08.33 | cogwheel | and the health/mana pots just have dyed water in them |
| 18:08.37 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 18:08.51 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, there's this thing called recycling.. ;) |
| 18:09.04 | cogwheel | yes but that's not nearly as nerdy |
| 18:09.38 | cogwheel | (actually, we do get about $30 worth of recycling at home... Mind you this is only a single instance of each of the different caffeines I use) |
| 18:09.48 | cogwheel | s/.../ every few months.../ |
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| 18:16.34 | malreth | debates friending cogwheel on facebook |
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| 18:21.15 | Lunessa | needs an Austin trip. |
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| 18:25.50 | durcyn | Lunessa: i'll buy the first round! |
| 18:25.51 | malreth | not this month... i can't afford it |
| 18:25.59 | malreth | or if you do... we're eating tacos again |
| 18:26.32 | Lunessa | malreth: Me either. I'm broke after buying BlizzCon tix and airline tix. |
| 18:26.35 | cogwheel | mmmm tacos |
| 18:26.40 | MoonWitch | just ate her last solid food meal for about a month |
| 18:27.03 | Seerah | hugs MoonWitch |
| 18:27.08 | Lunessa | But I liked the taco place. My friend is the one who wanted fancier food. |
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| 18:27.34 | MoonWitch | hugs Seerah |
| 18:28.58 | alestane | Tackling some treatment or something? |
| 18:29.29 | MoonWitch | alestane: you talking to me? |
| 18:29.51 | alestane | That was the idea...you just said something about no solid food. |
| 18:29.58 | MoonWitch | yes |
| 18:30.42 | MoonWitch | gastric bypass, so I´ll be no more solid food girl for a while |
| 18:30.43 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 18:30.48 | MoonWitch | brb tucking in sister |
| 18:31.21 | nicoli_s | btw anyone who hasnt heard of grooveshark.com before should check it out, like pandora but you can make playlists and play individual songs and shit |
| 18:31.43 | Shadowed | So |
| 18:31.46 | Shadowed | It's not like Pandora :P |
| 18:31.52 | malreth | Lunessa: actually... bar. we haven't gone to a bar yet |
| 18:31.54 | Lunessa | Not like Pandora at all. |
| 18:32.00 | Lunessa | malreth: FUCK YES. |
| 18:32.03 | Lunessa | LIQUOR |
| 18:32.11 | malreth | damn right |
| 18:32.14 | Ackis | I so misread the "tucking" word MoonWitch |
| 18:32.37 | malreth | Ackis: you're tucking nasty! |
| 18:32.50 | Lunessa | And after the bar, we should crash someone's place and make martinis until the wee hours or everyone passes out. |
| 18:33.24 | malreth | i'm out of gin... cannae afford more until july |
| 18:33.32 | nicoli_s | it is like pandora, it recommends new music based on your likes/dislikes |
| 18:33.33 | malreth | i've got vodka, tho |
| 18:33.39 | nicoli_s | and you can make it just play songs you think itll like |
| 18:34.11 | alestane | CS: âYou want to keep the bees off your flowers?â |
| 18:34.11 | alestane | Customer: âYes. Do you sell that?â |
| 18:34.11 | alestane | CS: âDo you understand how flowers work?â |
| 18:34.22 | Torhal | nicoli_s: I clicked on "Popular Music" and immediately wanted to kill myself. |
| 18:34.33 | malreth | alestane: ha! |
| 18:34.35 | Lunessa | malreth: I'm too broke to drive up. |
| 18:34.38 | nicoli_s | Torhal: oh yeah thats pretty shitty |
| 18:34.43 | Lunessa | July however is another story. |
| 18:34.44 | nicoli_s | but it has so much music |
| 18:34.51 | nicoli_s | and you can upload any music thats not on there |
| 18:35.00 | nicoli_s | so its like a fusion of pandora and limewire or something |
| 18:35.05 | Lunessa | malreth: Vodka martinis are better anyway. |
| 18:35.32 | malreth | Lunessa: LIOAR! |
| 18:35.51 | Lunessa | You're the gin-soaked boozehound. I prefer to get hammered on vodka. |
| 18:36.11 | alestane | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/701876876/client-thats-way-too-much-money-to-charge-for "The client sent an email campaign to a list of 74,000 customers with every link in the email being a one-click unsubscribe." |
| 18:36.15 | malreth | vodka's cheaper anyways |
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| 18:36.49 | kd3 | alestane; ouch |
| 18:37.09 | alestane | Pride goeth, and all that. |
| 18:42.53 | alestane | Gods, I had forgotten about this shirt: http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-COGITO-CRANBERRY&Category_Code=QC |
| 18:43.41 | Fisker | hey alestane |
| 18:43.45 | Fisker | not so hey kd3 |
| 18:49.09 | cogwheel | is pinged by cogito |
| 18:51.07 | Ackis | what about incognito? |
| 18:51.49 | cogwheel | nope |
| 18:51.57 | malreth | Ackis: who? |
| 18:52.08 | cogwheel | my rule only highlights words starting with cog |
| 18:52.43 | Ackis | cognition cognisant cogsucker |
| 18:52.59 | Ackis | cogwheel: you do know I'm going to abuse that knowledge |
| 18:53.04 | Ackis | for example: |
| 18:53.09 | cogwheel | i recognize that fact, yes |
| 18:53.12 | Ackis | apparently it was supposed to thunder out today |
| 18:53.13 | nicoli_s | im so glad i didnt bother setting up a highlight of my name |
| 18:55.20 | Ackis | apparently Thunder_Child isn't around |
| 18:56.08 | malreth | Lunessa: how about some cognac? |
| 18:56.27 | Lunessa | malreth: It's ok for sipping - usually with cigars. |
| 18:58.42 | MoonWitch | strawberry perl or activestateÅ perl? |
| 19:00.25 | cogwheel | tampax perl |
| 19:03.26 | MoonWitch | cog, seriously plz :) |
| 19:04.32 | MoonWitch | aka which one is most used? |
| 19:04.53 | MoonWitch | personally I'd go for opensource, but strangely the commercially supported one would be more appropriate |
| 19:04.54 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 19:05.09 | Ackis | I think cog's answer is the most commonly used |
| 19:05.13 | cogwheel | doesn't perl |
| 19:08.53 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: I usually went with Activestate's version. Well supported, lots of readily available help. |
| 19:11.38 | Cairenn|afk | WobWork: lol |
| 19:13.40 | MoonWitch | hugs Cairenn |
| 19:13.46 | Cairenn | hugs MoonWitch |
| 19:14.36 | MoonWitch | did you sleep well Cairenn? |
| 19:14.52 | Cairenn | Once I finally got there, yes :) |
| 19:15.20 | MoonWitch | good to know :) |
| 19:16.25 | nicoli_s | i always used activestates as well |
| 19:21.14 | Lunessa | It's still perl, so... there's that. |
| 19:25.22 | MoonWitch | today I got told we're going to switch from python to perl to install some of our corp solutions |
| 19:25.48 | MoonWitch | and since apparently it was deemed with me using linux back in the younger days, I should be one of the 2 to write the installers |
| 19:25.55 | MoonWitch | which was kinda shocking |
| 19:33.26 | nicoli_s | yech, id hate to use perl at work |
| 19:33.34 | nicoli_s | i hated it when i worked at thottbot |
| 19:33.45 | MoonWitch | well I fail (and failed) to see why python apparently no longer is suitable |
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| 19:40.19 | nicoli_s | if i had to choose id def choose python over perl |
| 19:40.31 | MoonWitch | well so far that's what EVERYONE told me |
| 19:40.38 | MoonWitch | even our own devs :P |
| 19:40.51 | Cide | MMO-CHAMPION IS DOWN |
| 19:40.53 | Cide | ALERT THE PRESSES |
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| 19:41.02 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: I never worked in python, but I did work with perl for years. I don't hate it like some folks, but it is ... arcane. |
| 19:41.08 | Cide | and stop them also |
| 19:41.25 | Ackis | My worst tweet ever: @runicgames @the_vuvuzela @thevuvuzelahorn http://i.imgur.com/m9rLj.gif |
| 19:42.00 | MoonWitch | ackis what's your twitter name? |
| 19:42.06 | MoonWitch | so I can stalk you |
| 19:42.08 | MoonWitch | :P |
| 19:42.38 | MoonWitch | I'm already stalking Cairenn :D |
| 19:42.44 | MoonWitch | and Kaelten |
| 19:42.45 | Cairenn | purrs at MoonWitch |
| 19:42.58 | MoonWitch | winks and then purrs at Cairenn |
| 19:43.09 | Lunessa | Ackis: I shall have to murder you now. |
| 19:43.30 | nicoli_s | silly twitterers |
| 19:43.46 | Ackis | MoonWitch: @jpasula |
| 19:44.00 | MoonWitch | thanks :D |
| 19:44.06 | Ackis | yw |
| 19:44.30 | Ackis | http://twitter.com/MMOUI/wow-ui-devs check that list out as well |
| 19:44.39 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: I think a lot of use are twitter users. |
| 19:44.52 | nicoli_s | i still find it silly |
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| 19:44.59 | MoonWitch | omg Ackis .. you made me look up videos of vuvzela's |
| 19:45.10 | MoonWitch | the mini vuvuzela is freaky |
| 19:45.12 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Ackis |
| 19:45.12 | purl | DoSes Ackis |
| 19:45.24 | Ackis | lol |
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| 19:46.08 | cogwheel | I'm cogwheel42 on twitter, if anyone cares |
| 19:46.33 | Thunder_Child | there were 41 other cogwheels? |
| 19:46.48 | Thunder_Child | or was it hitchikers related |
| 19:46.51 | Dashkal | note to self. do not look at Kaelten's twitter. that last tweet will give me nightmares |
| 19:47.00 | cogwheel | there was at least one other cogwheel so i picked 42 |
| 19:47.33 | Ackis | I'm already following you cogwheel |
| 19:47.41 | Lunessa | Dashkal: IT'S A TRAVESTY |
| 19:47.51 | Dashkal | It's an abomination... |
| 19:47.51 | nicoli_s | Dashkal:the hello kitty car? |
| 19:48.21 | Dashkal | Poor poor car *sheds tear* |
| 19:48.50 | nicoli_s | i never understood peoples obsession with cars |
| 19:49.06 | nicoli_s | as long as it works and i can listen to music i dont give a shit, i just cant get into car stuff |
| 19:49.35 | Lunessa | Drive an amazing car and all will be clear. |
| 19:50.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i understand the obsession. *shrug* same reason people obsess over anything |
| 19:50.10 | Lunessa | Also, a car is an extension of your penis. (You know someone in here was thinking that!) |
| 19:50.12 | MoonWitch | I checked, good thing none of you is following me -- should you endulge in doing so - be advised due to my work, I have got to retweet a lot of Panda security stuff |
| 19:50.35 | Thunder_Child | how do you know none of us is following you? |
| 19:50.47 | nicoli_s | lunessa: ive driven some of my aunt and uncles fancy cars(high end audis) and its all meh to me |
| 19:50.50 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: This is why you get TWO twitter accounts. One for professional and one for personal. |
| 19:50.50 | MoonWitch | well other then Kaelten, I don't think anyone is :P |
| 19:50.54 | NightHawkTheSane | MoonWitch: i'm going to guess MoonWitch is not you're twitter account? :P |
| 19:50.57 | MoonWitch | yeah ... |
| 19:50.59 | NightHawkTheSane | your* |
| 19:51.01 | MoonWitch | kaymoonwitch is |
| 19:51.02 | MoonWitch | ;) |
| 19:51.08 | MoonWitch | someone stole mine already |
| 19:51.13 | Thunder_Child | rolls his eyes |
| 19:51.48 | MoonWitch | well I may change it around some ;) |
| 19:51.50 | NightHawkTheSane | see, NOW people are going to follow you ;) |
| 19:52.07 | Thunder_Child | i refuse to use twitter |
| 19:52.34 | Dashkal | ^^ |
| 19:52.53 | Dashkal | I browse the odd stream when someone's website goes down. I won't make my own account |
| 19:55.49 | Lunessa | I have a twitter account. It's not hard to find. I don't tweet as often as I should. |
| 19:55.59 | Gnarfoz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65E39Q20100615?feedType=nl&feedName=usoddlyenough what the fuck |
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| 19:59.51 | Lunessa | Gnarfoz: Germans are the craziest peoples. |
| 19:59.54 | Seerah | Gnarfoz: what else could be the correct counter for the Hell's Angels but a cute, cuddly puppy? |
| 20:00.01 | Seerah | total opposites |
| 20:00.06 | Gnarfoz | Lunessa: I'd know, being one ;D |
| 20:00.39 | Lunessa | Seerah: The Hell's Angels probably are the ones that took the puppy to get care. :P |
| 20:01.00 | alestane | Out of curiosity, anyone here actually use Goose for their UI? |
| 20:01.13 | Seerah | Yes, because who can resist a cute, cuddly puppy in need? |
| 20:01.40 | Lunessa | Sadly, too many people. The Status is not Quo. |
| 20:03.26 | NightHawkTheSane | goose? |
| 20:04.22 | alestane | Goose is my frame visibility registration interface. |
| 20:04.48 | alestane | I happen to know the GUI part is semi-functional, and I'm trying to decide how urgently I should address this. |
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| 20:07.24 | Ackis | http://www.diygamer.com/2010/06/torchlight-tournament/ go vote for torchlight!!! |
| 20:08.01 | Slackwise | votes for N. |
| 20:08.52 | Thunder_Child | heh, N is wining |
| 20:08.53 | NightHawkTheSane | agrees with Slackwise |
| 20:09.06 | Fisker | NO! |
| 20:09.11 | Fisker | never vote for torchlight Ackis |
| 20:09.13 | Fisker | oh |
| 20:09.15 | Fisker | vs. n |
| 20:09.16 | Thunder_Child | i'm on torchlights side |
| 20:09.24 | Slackwise | Torchlight is.... I'll keep my opinion to myself. |
| 20:09.43 | nicoli_s | i liked torchlight |
| 20:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i like torchlight. |
| 20:09.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i think N is the better game, though |
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| 20:10.09 | foxlit | Voted Torchlight |
| 20:10.11 | foxlit | It had colors. |
| 20:10.28 | Slackwise | Torchlight and Diablo have special words in my dictionary. |
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| 20:10.37 | Slackwise | Unpleasant words. |
| 20:10.46 | Slackwise | s/words/definitions/ |
| 20:11.05 | nicoli_s | Slackwise meant:Diablo is awesome |
| 20:11.29 | foxlit | Diablo is awesome, and will do many unpleasant things to those that disagree; surely. |
| 20:11.35 | Ackis | Slackwise mean: I like penis. |
| 20:11.58 | Slackwise | Diablo is quite possibly one of the worst games I ever decided to play in my life. |
| 20:12.09 | Slackwise | And would like those few hours back. |
| 20:12.13 | Ackis | I hated diablo as well |
| 20:12.19 | Ackis | however my stupid fiancee likes it |
| 20:12.23 | Slackwise | Rock and Roll Racing is far more entertaining. |
| 20:12.38 | MoonWitch | Ackis: is your fiancee hot? |
| 20:12.47 | Slackwise | Diablo is a spammy click-fest. |
| 20:12.50 | Ackis | MoonWitch: she's not very bright today :| |
| 20:12.53 | Adys | Im going to back foxlit on the unpleasant things he wants to do |
| 20:12.57 | Slackwise | It is grimey, dark, colorless. |
| 20:12.57 | Adys | to Ackis especially |
| 20:12.59 | Adys | diablo is awesome |
| 20:13.01 | Ackis | MoonWitch: and she's mine, hands off |
| 20:13.08 | Slackwise | It is the opposite of what I enjoy in games. |
| 20:13.13 | MoonWitch | Ackis : you disappoint me |
| 20:13.24 | MoonWitch | *sad face* |
| 20:13.25 | Slackwise | Torchlight is Diablo's essence. |
| 20:13.27 | Slackwise | But with color. |
| 20:13.31 | Ackis | Adys: I just never got into it, I like watching Chantelle play it but I'm like "where's my keyboard shortcuts" |
| 20:13.33 | Slackwise | Same rooms. |
| 20:13.38 | nevcairiel | and even less story =P |
| 20:13.42 | Slackwise | Enemies all over. |
| 20:13.45 | Slackwise | Spammy clicking all over. |
| 20:13.55 | Slackwise | Mindless repetition. |
| 20:14.11 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah, honestly i thought it wouldn't bother me, but the lack of story has made it hard for me to actually finish torchlight |
| 20:14.31 | nevcairiel | i didnt finish it |
| 20:14.34 | Hjalte | Does anyone remember what the EA Steam offer was tuesday? |
| 20:14.38 | durcyn | torchlight has an actual ending? |
| 20:14.41 | durcyn | Hjalte: Crysis |
| 20:14.44 | NightHawkTheSane | also, I never thought it'd compare something unfavorably to diablo as far as story is concerned. *boggle* |
| 20:14.53 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: i assumed the game stops at some point :P |
| 20:14.55 | Slackwise | Torchlight was done by former Diablo devs. |
| 20:14.59 | Slackwise | Which is very amusing. |
| 20:15.13 | Ackis | Hjalte: tuesday was battlefield, durcyn monday was crysis |
| 20:15.15 | Slackwise | Just like how ArenaNet (creators of Guild Wars) is done by former Diablo/Blizz devs. |
| 20:15.15 | Cide | so was hellgate london |
| 20:15.18 | MoonWitch | Cairenn: do you use windows? |
| 20:15.23 | Cide | i.e. that says nothing |
| 20:15.27 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: yep |
| 20:15.37 | MoonWitch | they're cool when opened aren't they? |
| 20:15.46 | Lunessa | alestane: I use Goose to hide some frames. |
| 20:15.50 | Hjalte | Ackis: I see, cheers. And thanks Durcyn. |
| 20:15.55 | durcyn | oh. woops. |
| 20:16.04 | NightHawkTheSane | goes to his meeting |
| 20:16.05 | NightHawkTheSane | later |
| 20:16.12 | Ackis | today is C&C |
| 20:16.15 | MoonWitch | NightHawkTheSane: see ya |
| 20:16.18 | alestane | Do you use the options UI, Lunessa, or did you just use the /command? |
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| 20:17.38 | Lunessa | alestane: I use goose specifically to hide things like AddOns frames when I enter a vehicle. And I used the GUI, got an error, saw that all was working as intended anyway and stopped caring. However, it would be nice to use the GUI and not get an error. |
| 20:17.59 | alestane | I think my current plan is to fix it for Cataclysm at this point. |
| 20:18.01 | MoonWitch | damn laptops have a tun of bg applications |
| 20:18.14 | MoonWitch | alestane: I shall cheer you on! |
| 20:18.21 | Lunessa | alestane: *nod* |
| 20:18.30 | MoonWitch | sends naked pictures of hot women to alestane |
| 20:18.50 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: Better run those by his wife first. :P |
| 20:18.58 | MoonWitch | oh right |
| 20:18.58 | Lunessa | Or me. |
| 20:18.58 | Mikk | pffff |
| 20:19.00 | alestane | ...while I wouldn't scorn such support, I fail to see how it will help me finish my project. |
| 20:19.12 | MoonWitch | sends some naked pictures of hot guys to alestanes wife |
| 20:19.16 | MoonWitch | there .. all sorted |
| 20:19.22 | Cairenn | ! |
| 20:19.22 | nicoli_s | by what? |
| 20:19.23 | Cairenn | gimmah! |
| 20:19.27 | Mikk | there you go, now she's all busy |
| 20:19.32 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 20:19.33 | Mikk | now you can give us the pictures of the hot naked gurls |
| 20:20.08 | MoonWitch | should I at this point bring up the fact that I did consider creating a porn site (just the site / coding-design, not the vids) |
| 20:20.13 | Lunessa | uploads tickets to "Thunder from Down Under" show for the ladies. |
| 20:20.22 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 20:20.29 | Thunder_Child | i am not down under |
| 20:20.33 | Mikk | http://www.sciencefictionfantasyhorror.com/images-articles/2007/01/hot-naked-chicks.jpg |
| 20:20.37 | MoonWitch | but you HAVE a down under |
| 20:20.41 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: I did consulting for a porn site in the 90s. The gig paid pretty well. |
| 20:20.45 | Thunder_Child | and you know this how? |
| 20:21.04 | MoonWitch | Lunessa: it does.. a lot of hosts turn down adult sites, as do designers |
| 20:21.21 | MoonWitch | admittedly, I do think designing it would be distracting |
| 20:21.31 | Lunessa | The talent for which I did the consulting decided to get out of the biz. |
| 20:22.12 | Fisker | old Ackis |
| 20:22.43 | MoonWitch | and Cairenn, I'll link you my personal stash ;) |
| 20:22.50 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 20:23.34 | Cairenn | is always happy to have some ... inspiration ... around |
| 20:23.50 | Lunessa | To be honest, I don't think my design skills would be up to the task anymore - seeing as I haven't done professional web design in many years. |
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| 20:27.27 | MoonWitch | ... gah stupid background appz |
| 20:29.38 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:30.14 | nicoli_s | i am so shitty at design |
| 20:30.23 | Fisker | then we are agreed nicoli_s |
| 20:30.41 | nicoli_s | but still better than fisker |
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| 20:31.29 | Fisker | you made yourself a powerful enemy today |
| 20:32.33 | MoonWitch | nicoli_s: I wouldn't fear Fisker too much |
| 20:32.40 | MoonWitch | all he has is a big mouth |
| 20:32.45 | Shadowed | Fearing Fisker is like fearing a bunny |
| 20:32.55 | nicoli_s | MoonWitch:oh yes i am very familiar with fiskers big mouthedness |
| 20:32.56 | Shadowed | Sure, there's the 0.0000000000000000001% chance the bunny kills you |
| 20:33.07 | Shadowed | but you might as well buy a lottery ticket |
| 20:33.07 | MoonWitch | actually, bunnies are frightening to me |
| 20:33.18 | Thunder_Child | holy handgranade of antioch? |
| 20:33.59 | Thunder_Child | grenade* |
| 20:35.22 | Ackis | Fisker: whot? |
| 20:35.55 | Fisker | not you Ackis |
| 20:36.08 | Fisker | but C&C sale is old news |
| 20:38.03 | batrick | oh ya? |
| 20:38.26 | Fisker | ya |
| 20:38.31 | foxlit | 33% isn't enough to put up with EA. |
| 20:39.13 | Fisker | C&C4 should be atleast 101% off |
| 20:40.34 | Lunessa | You want them to pay you fro playing it? |
| 20:41.17 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:41.27 | Fisker | in C&C4's case i think that's fair |
| 20:41.44 | foxlit | emotional distress for killing the franchise, Lunessa. |
| 20:41.55 | Lunessa | foxlit: I never played it. |
| 20:42.03 | Lunessa | I have no emotional investmet. |
| 20:42.06 | foxlit | Just ask Fisker. |
| 20:42.13 | Adys | !api sound |
| 20:42.13 | lua_bot | Found 18 possible matches for 'sound'. Please be more specific |
| 20:42.16 | Adys | !api restart |
| 20:42.16 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'restart': RestartGx, Sound_GameSystem_RestartSoundSystem |
| 20:42.20 | NightHawkTheSane | "emotional distress"? |
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| 20:46.17 | KieferSkunk | testing |
| 20:46.24 | Thunder_Child | testing what? |
| 20:46.44 | Spejnar | Im trying to call a function named "rocket.drop" from another file, but no matter what I try I only get "attempt to index global 'varname' ..." |
| 20:46.46 | KieferSkunk | Hi, is there someone here that can help me with a Curseforge problem? That channel is apparently locked so nobody can talk in it. :P |
| 20:47.35 | Thunder_Child | Kaelten prolly...if he wasnt afk |
| 20:47.39 | KieferSkunk | Spejnar: Is it giving you the message "attmept to index global 'rocket', which is nil"? |
| 20:47.57 | Spejnar | almost, but yes |
| 20:48.17 | KieferSkunk | Where is "rocket" defined? |
| 20:48.18 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: maybe you know someone to bug? |
| 20:48.21 | KieferSkunk | And how? |
| 20:48.46 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: newp |
| 20:48.46 | Spejnar | in a file called Rocket.lua, defined as if not rocket then rocket = {} end |
| 20:48.50 | Ackis | KieferSkunk: channel doesn't look locked |
| 20:48.58 | Spejnar | and the global functions are rocket.funcName() |
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| 20:49.15 | Thunder_Child | glares suspicously at Cairenn |
| 20:49.37 | Cairenn | doesn't know nuthin |
| 20:49.48 | Shadowed | (she's lying) |
| 20:49.56 | KieferSkunk | Each time I try to type in there, it says "cannot send to #curseforge". |
| 20:50.12 | Thunder_Child | agreed Shadowed |
| 20:50.14 | KieferSkunk | Spejnar: Somewhere before that line, try adding the line "global rocket;" |
| 20:50.21 | Spejnar | oh.. |
| 20:51.05 | Spejnar | global rocket; nor global rocket works |
| 20:51.47 | KieferSkunk | Sorry, "global var rocket;" |
| 20:52.04 | KieferSkunk | Basically, declare the variable before assigning it, so that you explicitly tell the system it's a global variable. |
| 20:52.28 | KieferSkunk | (I think "var rocket;" might do the same thing - not sure if it defaults to global or local scope.) |
| 20:53.05 | malreth | all variables in Lua are global unless defined local |
| 20:53.18 | KieferSkunk | Okay, then you shouldn't need the "global" in that line. |
| 20:53.20 | malreth | 'var' also isn't a keyword... iirc |
| 20:53.24 | Spejnar | hmm, dun seem to fix the error, probably something else |
| 20:53.29 | KieferSkunk | Hmm, okay. |
| 20:53.57 | Spejnar | the error msg isnt very helpful |
| 20:54.09 | KieferSkunk | Not sure, but is it possible to access the object you want through the _G collection? |
| 20:54.10 | malreth | Spejnar: how do you know that the table named rocket is being defined before you start calling that function rocket.drop? |
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| 20:54.31 | KieferSkunk | (Good point, malreth) |
| 20:54.44 | malreth | i'm never wrong |
| 20:55.29 | Spejnar | pretty sure the "if not rocket then rocket = {} end" handles that |
| 20:55.48 | malreth | nope... when is that line, "if not rocket then blah blah" being called? |
| 20:55.58 | KieferSkunk | Spejnar: But that line is in a different file than the one where you're trying to use rocket.drop in. |
| 20:56.00 | MoonWitch | if statement? |
| 20:56.01 | MoonWitch | >.< |
| 20:56.07 | MoonWitch | << not following the convo |
| 20:56.14 | MoonWitch | btw Cairenn : Purrrrrr |
| 20:56.19 | Kraps | know whats fun? when you doze off while listening to a radio commercial about getting a car for $50 down and you wonder if the $50 is a critical strike |
| 20:56.24 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: -_^ |
| 20:56.31 | KieferSkunk | Hah, Kraps. :) |
| 20:56.37 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: iriel showed Shirik_ how to send the inv. you can ask him now |
| 20:56.46 | Spejnar | MoonWitch: that statement was pre-defined, so dont blame me ^^ |
| 20:56.55 | Spejnar | KieferSkunk: thats true |
| 20:57.22 | KieferSkunk | Spejnar: So the question is, is the rocket.drop file getting loaded and executing before the rocket table is actually defined? |
| 20:57.30 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: thanks, i'll ask him when he gets out of work |
| 20:57.38 | Spejnar | probably |
| 20:57.58 | Spejnar | I mean the call is probably before the load since there is no "Rocket.lua" loaded at all |
| 20:58.02 | malreth | "probably" sounds like you're not tracing through the code to be sure |
| 20:58.14 | KieferSkunk | You should find a way to make sure that the object you want is defined before you try to use it. |
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| 20:59.52 | AckisTest | test |
| 20:59.53 | AckisTest | ickle |
| 21:00.01 | cogwheel | forni |
| 21:00.09 | Ackis | oh you're so funny AckisTest |
| 21:00.13 | AckisTest | i know eh |
| 21:00.16 | Ackis | eh |
| 21:00.28 | Ackis | KieferSkunk: are you authed by any chance? |
| 21:00.41 | KieferSkunk | Doubt it. I'm using a web client. |
| 21:00.49 | Ackis | k |
| 21:00.55 | Ackis | that might be why |
| 21:01.00 | Ackis | I poked Kaelten however |
| 21:01.09 | Dashkal | that channel is +nt. shouldn't be blocking non-authed |
| 21:01.22 | Kaelten | ya, I'm not seeing anything odd either |
| 21:01.28 | KieferSkunk | I just wanted to jump on real fast and ask for some help with my addon - I submitted a new addon a few hours ago and it seems to be stuck in a pre-approval process. |
| 21:01.31 | Dashkal | omg it's a Kaelten. |
| 21:01.32 | Kraps | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1937482 |
| 21:01.40 | MoonWitch | Kaelten: !!!! |
| 21:01.54 | Dashkal | Kaelten: that car made me want to cry... |
| 21:02.04 | Kaelten | Dashkal: I know, it was _so_ messed up! |
| 21:02.34 | Kaelten | MoonWitch: heya stranger |
| 21:02.44 | MoonWitch | Kaelten: Heya sexy |
| 21:02.52 | Kaelten | woot freeze didn't happen |
| 21:02.59 | Kaelten | KieferSkunk: try again? |
| 21:03.05 | MoonWitch | how are you and how is that cute lil girl doing :) |
| 21:03.07 | Kaelten | MoonWitch: you've not even seen my hair lately |
| 21:03.17 | MoonWitch | well cam up ;P |
| 21:03.17 | Kaelten | doing well, just moved into our new house, she's out of town with her grandma |
| 21:03.24 | Kaelten | MoonWitch: :P |
| 21:04.06 | MoonWitch | good to hear both of you are ok :) |
| 21:04.08 | Kaelten | hrm, no clue why it's acting all locked |
| 21:04.17 | MoonWitch | take good care of her - she's a damn bright kiddo |
| 21:04.20 | nicoli_s | so Ackis, what do you think about Kitty Chesney as the name for our new kitty |
| 21:04.30 | Kaelten | oh ya, she's gotten up to reading on almost a 4th grade level |
| 21:04.35 | Ackis | lol nicoli_s |
| 21:04.36 | MoonWitch | oh god |
| 21:04.38 | Kaelten | I'm very proud of her |
| 21:04.40 | MoonWitch | what do you feed her lol |
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| 21:04.51 | nicoli_s | right now the choices are Buddy, Ginger Balls, or Kitty Chesney |
| 21:05.27 | MoonWitch | ppl Kaelten has the sweetest daughter .. I said hi to her one day, she went "I don't talk to strangers" (or something along those lines.. And wanted to know where I was ... was adorable |
| 21:05.33 | KieferSkunk | Nope, still can't type in that cahnnel. |
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| 21:06.23 | Kaelten | KieferSkunk: we're asking for help from the irc people |
| 21:06.32 | KieferSkunk | I noticed the modes in #wowuidev are +Ccgnt, whereas #curseforge is +nt only |
| 21:06.41 | KieferSkunk | I wonder what the other modes mean and if they have anything to do with this. |
| 21:06.56 | nicoli_s | one of those c ones is color |
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| 21:07.13 | Blia | re |
| 21:08.07 | Blia | i would like to modify the background color of a button when it's enabled (clicked). Though, I only found the API setTextColor http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Button_SetTextColor |
| 21:09.19 | Blia | hmm.. nevermind.. i found a way |
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| 21:14.19 | Kaso | Anyone who speaks french: what would a "caddie" be ? |
| 21:14.44 | KieferSkunk | Caddie, as in "golf assistant"? |
| 21:15.08 | Kaso | doesnt seem to be in the context |
| 21:15.14 | MoonWitch | un cadet |
| 21:15.15 | Seerah | http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ ? |
| 21:15.31 | Kaso | it's on a holiday booking form as request-caddie.html |
| 21:15.41 | MoonWitch | no clue then |
| 21:15.59 | Kaso | <input type="hidden" value="oui" name="caddie" /> in the html |
| 21:16.07 | Seerah | nothing on google or babelfish, Kaso |
| 21:16.24 | Seerah | just caddie |
| 21:16.30 | Kaso | yeah i checked them i wondered if it might be some sort of slag or abbreviation |
| 21:16.34 | Kaso | uh, slang |
| 21:16.38 | KieferSkunk | Used in a sentence? |
| 21:17.00 | Kaso | Not on the page, just in the html as request-caddie |
| 21:17.00 | KieferSkunk | I mean, "caddie" in English usually refers to a guy who totes your golf clubs around. |
| 21:17.07 | Seerah | Is caddie slang already? |
| 21:17.12 | Kaso | as if it was some sort of quote or something |
| 21:17.29 | MoonWitch | and french cadet is a boy |
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| 21:17.34 | KieferSkunk | Oh, it's probably not important. |
| 21:17.44 | KieferSkunk | That's the name of a variable. |
| 21:18.04 | Kaso | yeah im just being curious ;p |
| 21:18.08 | KieferSkunk | It doesn't actually need to be translated, since whatever's processing the form would need to look for the variable by the same name. |
| 21:18.13 | MoonWitch | would you risk carrying a lappie in a sleeve in a normal backpack? |
| 21:18.19 | MoonWitch | (on public transportation) |
| 21:18.38 | KieferSkunk | I'm guessing it's something specific to that website and probably nothing you'd need to be concerned with. :) |
| 21:19.40 | KieferSkunk | Still think it has something to do with golf. |
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| 21:20.46 | Fisker | hey Kaelten |
| 21:20.57 | Kaelten | hihi |
| 21:21.15 | NightHawkTheSane | MoonWitch: i probably would |
| 21:23.02 | MoonWitch | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah me too, I was hoping one of you (several actually) would set my mind at ease |
| 21:23.05 | Spejnar | KieferSkunk: wanna know what the error was? |
| 21:23.17 | Spejnar | in the default files we use they didnt tell the addon to load Rocket.lua.. |
| 21:23.29 | Spejnar | good luck finding stuff declared in the file then |
| 21:24.29 | olafski | caddie = shopping cart |
| 21:24.30 | Fisker | don't laugh at it Kaelten |
| 21:24.34 | Fisker | it's selfaware |
| 21:24.46 | Kaelten | uhm... k |
| 21:24.48 | olafski | http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariot_de_supermarch%C3%A9 |
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| 21:26.21 | Adys | Kaso, what olafski said |
| 21:26.32 | Adys | and next time actually ping someone french. |
| 21:26.48 | Kaso | ah |
| 21:27.04 | Fisker | hmm Kaso |
| 21:27.06 | Spejnar | is this the "default" to write like this print(string.format("Raketen släppt på höjden %d\nDu har %d bränsle och max %d kommandon på dig att landa.", startHeight, startFuel, maxCommands)) ? |
| 21:27.07 | Kaso | so could it be "cart" as in on an ecommerce site |
| 21:27.10 | Adys | yes |
| 21:27.14 | Spejnar | ignore the swedish |
| 21:27.14 | Adys | shopping card |
| 21:27.16 | Adys | cart |
| 21:27.24 | Kaso | thanks very much, thats sated my curiousity |
| 21:27.40 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: I used to carry my powerbook in my backpack and I didn't have a sleeve. |
| 21:27.41 | Adys | Spejnar: ("mystring %s %d"):format(str, id) |
| 21:27.54 | Adys | Spejnar: using string.* stuff is always so ugly =( |
| 21:27.56 | Spejnar | Adys: any reason other than looking totally awesome? ^^ |
| 21:28.20 | Spejnar | everything before : is passed as the first arg right? |
| 21:28.35 | olafski | for the record, I'm not french.. I just know how to search ;) |
| 21:28.47 | Spejnar | olafski is actually venezuelan |
| 21:28.49 | Adys | cls:func() is the same as cls.func(self) |
| 21:28.54 | Spejnar | the inventor of that whiney noise maker |
| 21:29.04 | Spejnar | yeah, as I remembered |
| 21:29.04 | Spejnar | bbl |
| 21:29.46 | nevcairiel | lua> ("boo %s").format("boo %s", "Adys") |
| 21:29.47 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: boo Adys |
| 21:29.51 | nevcairiel | not helpful syntax :P |
| 21:29.56 | Adys | lol |
| 21:31.34 | Cide | in this case "boo %s" has the global string table as its metatable |
| 21:31.55 | Cide | and so ("blah").format is equal to string.format |
| 21:32.26 | Fisker | imma fuck you up Cide |
| 21:34.08 | Shirik_ | I love ambiguous documentation |
| 21:34.13 | Shirik_ | "This method approaches O(1)" |
| 21:34.17 | Shirik_ | can't I say that about anything? |
| 21:35.21 | Fisker | why so srs Shirik ? |
| 21:36.05 | KieferSkunk | Is there a Lua equivalent of the C++ if/then construct: a = (myBool == 1) ? 5 : 10; |
| 21:36.22 | Maldivia | a ? myBool == 1 and 5 or 10 |
| 21:36.25 | Maldivia | a = |
| 21:36.33 | cogwheel | with a subtle difference |
| 21:36.56 | cogwheel | if the value to the right of and is nil or false, it will return the value to the right of or |
| 21:37.25 | KieferSkunk | Okay, so basically you substitute "and" for "?" and "or" for ":". |
| 21:37.31 | KieferSkunk | But otherwise the structure is equivalent. |
| 21:37.40 | cogwheel | mostly equivalent |
| 21:37.52 | Kraps | how would i divide 40 hours by 30 days? |
| 21:38.02 | malreth | with a calculator |
| 21:38.05 | KieferSkunk | 40 / (30*24) |
| 21:38.31 | cogwheel | lua> function foo() return nil end; function bar() return 5 end; a = 1 == 1 and foo() or bar(); print (a); |
| 21:38.32 | lua_bot | cogwheel: 5 |
| 21:38.53 | cogwheel | lua> function foo() return 2 end; function bar() return 5 end; a = 1 == 1 and foo() or bar(); print (a); |
| 21:38.54 | lua_bot | cogwheel: 2 |
| 21:38.57 | Ackis | lua> return 5 |
| 21:38.57 | lua_bot | Ackis: 5 |
| 21:39.03 | Ackis | mine was quicker cogwheel |
| 21:39.06 | Kraps | ~40 / (30*24) |
| 21:39.06 | purl | 0.055555555556 |
| 21:39.11 | cogwheel | ~lart Ackis |
| 21:39.11 | purl | strangles Ackis with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 21:40.02 | KieferSkunk | self:Print(varname.." = ".. (value) and L["ON"] or L["OFF"]); |
| 21:40.34 | cogwheel | i think you'll need to put the whole and..or part inside parentheses |
| 21:40.37 | KieferSkunk | That line would print a string in the form "YourVariable = ON" or "YourVariable = OFF" depending on the value passed in. |
| 21:40.42 | cogwheel | .. has higher precedence than and |
| 21:40.54 | KieferSkunk | self:Print(varname.." = ".. ((value) and L["ON"] or L["OFF"])); |
| 21:41.23 | cogwheel | that should do the trick |
| 21:41.29 | KieferSkunk | Okay, cool. :) |
| 21:41.43 | KieferSkunk | I have an actual if/then in there right now. This would probably be slightly more efficient. |
| 21:41.56 | cogwheel | pretty sure it compiles to the same byte code |
| 21:41.56 | malreth | likely not |
| 21:42.06 | cogwheel | it's certainly more concise |
| 21:42.22 | KieferSkunk | *nod* Code-efficient, anyway. Means that if I want to change the structure of the output, I only have to change it once. |
| 21:42.23 | malreth | but it's a whole hell of a lot harder to read so that probably make you feel like a "real developer" |
| 21:42.25 | Maldivia | it doesn't compile to same byte code |
| 21:42.50 | KieferSkunk | Eh, real developers write code that people can read and understand. |
| 21:42.53 | cogwheel | malreth: that's called "idiomatic" |
| 21:42.58 | Maldivia | since it has to evaluate (in this case) L["ON"] for false/nil |
| 21:43.14 | KieferSkunk | Hmm, that's true. |
| 21:43.17 | cogwheel | true |
| 21:43.20 | foxlit | L[value and "ON" or "OFF"] imo |
| 21:43.27 | cogwheel | ^^ |
| 21:43.32 | KieferSkunk | Oh, that's nicer. :) |
| 21:43.53 | KieferSkunk | Actually much easier to read. |
| 21:44.12 | cogwheel | foxlit: thanks for catching that after it slipped my mind |
| 21:44.13 | cogwheel | >< |
| 21:44.21 | cogwheel | can i has back now plx? |
| 21:44.31 | foxlit | u has back, np! |
| 21:45.18 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 21:45.21 | Fisker | did you bet on duke? |
| 21:45.35 | Seerah | Shadowed / Torhal: so... apparently my problem last night with the scroll frame template was that I didn't have the template name in quotes :p |
| 21:45.41 | cogwheel | Fisker: did you eat your mom? |
| 21:45.51 | cogwheel | (interpret as you will) |
| 21:46.02 | Shadowed | Oops :P |
| 21:46.13 | cogwheel | Fisker: sports are for nerds. wait wat? |
| 21:46.17 | Fisker | i did cogwheel |
| 21:46.18 | Seerah | that's okay, I didn't catch it either ;) |
| 21:46.19 | Fisker | twice actually |
| 21:46.23 | Fisker | (interpret that as you will) |
| 21:46.39 | Fisker | i wouldn't call what Duke does for a sport |
| 21:47.31 | KieferSkunk | Hmm... my addon got approved and my file is there, but for whatever reason it's still not showing up on Curse. |
| 21:47.39 | Fisker | bam |
| 21:47.48 | KieferSkunk | And the project says it's still in the planning stage - not sure how to get it out of that. |
| 21:49.10 | Kraps | Fisker: whats duke play? |
| 21:51.55 | Kraps | 5 Mal'Ganis defeated (Heroic CoT: Stratholme). 1 hour ago |
| 21:52.03 | Kraps | 1 hour ago? |
| 21:52.28 | Kraps | time must be moving real slow |
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| 22:08.22 | Adys | For anyone interested |
| 22:08.30 | Adys | I have one blizzcon ticket left to get rid of |
| 22:09.06 | Adys | So if you wanna go and missed your chance on the queue I won't be asking for a horrible price for it |
| 22:09.07 | Lunessa | I too have one more. |
| 22:09.30 | Adys | Mine smells better |
| 22:10.09 | Fisker | a |
| 22:10.17 | Adys | b |
| 22:10.21 | Fisker | :O |
| 22:10.27 | Adys | :P |
| 22:10.31 | Lunessa | Does yours come with liquor and a shady past? |
| 22:11.04 | Adys | Lunessa, no but mine is a she, and she is completely in love with you |
| 22:11.22 | Lunessa | Alas and alack, I shall be breaking multiple hearts. |
| 22:11.45 | Kaelten | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/magazine/20Computer-t.html?hp |
| 22:12.31 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/8pdbT.jpg |
| 22:12.31 | Fisker | win |
| 22:13.16 | Ackis | Adys: if you pay for my airfare I'll take it off your hands :P |
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| 22:14.21 | Thunder_Child | http://notalwaysright.com/so-slow-it-hertz/5827 cry |
| 22:15.03 | Fisker | i've had people like that that passed the as an data technician |
| 22:15.07 | Fisker | ;( |
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| 22:21.15 | Fisker | looks like it's time to bet on duke Thunder_Child |
| 22:22.08 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I worked at a place where the guy with the BS in Computer Science didn't know what a "mouse" or "icon" were. He was getting $10/hour more than me for the same job... because he had that BS in Comp Sci. I wanted to strangle him on a daily basis. |
| 22:22.28 | alestane | What did he actually do? |
| 22:22.40 | Lunessa | Hah... Help Desk. |
| 22:24.24 | theorbtwo | Lunessa: You wouldn't want to be hell desk even if you were getting 10usd/hr more, would you? Especially in a place with such idiotic bosses... |
| 22:24.59 | alestane | Knowledge of algorithms or multithreading do not apply to Help Desk work 99% of the time, sorry. |
| 22:26.10 | KieferSkunk | Lunessa: I've worked with people like that. :P |
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| 22:32.56 | Lunessa | The guy eventually managed to get himself fired. And I moved from Help Desk to software development. But it was a miserable period to be working with him. |
| 22:33.59 | foxlit | "According to the EU directive, where internet access is concerned, ISPs must retain the user ID of users, email addresses of senders and recipients," << but ssl? |
| 22:34.32 | cogwheel | alestane: you're implying that CS graduates have knowledge of algorithms or multithreading ;) |
| 22:35.13 | Lunessa | I just want to know how he got a BS in CS without ever using a computer. |
| 22:35.21 | alestane | If they were paying attention in a reputable degree program, they should have been acquainted with at least one of the two. |
| 22:35.42 | Kraps | Lunessa: so HOW did he help other people? |
| 22:36.08 | cogwheel | indeed. stackoverflow has a lot of interview-related topics though, and it's a disturbingly common theme that CS graduates can't even figure out how to implement simple algorithms like .. what's it called... fizzbuzz? |
| 22:36.21 | Lunessa | Kraps: I ended up doing or redoing all his work. And he redid our "new tech training" course 4 times. |
| 22:36.25 | alestane | Some schools consider it short for "ComputING Sciences," Lunessa, and teach a lot of theory and a shot or two of CGI or other console programming for practice. |
| 22:36.34 | Kraps | shit |
| 22:36.40 | nicoli_s | Lunessa: that is pretty bad |
| 22:36.40 | cogwheel | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/02/why-cant-programmers-program.html |
| 22:37.04 | alestane | I've never heard of the name "fizzbuzz," but I presume I could come up with a solution to whatever it is. |
| 22:37.33 | Lunessa | This was 1994 - and he went to George Mason. And that was a huge dismay to me. |
| 22:38.00 | alestane | I could write that in about five minutes, cogwheel. |
| 22:38.11 | cogwheel | indeed |
| 22:38.16 | cogwheel | any "programmer" should be able to |
| 22:39.23 | cogwheel | granted the codinghorror article is a bit short on empirical data, but the anecdotes are rather disturbing |
| 22:40.08 | Kraps | why is adobe such shit? |
| 22:40.17 | cogwheel | i interviewed for a programming job once and they told me i wasn't supposed to do so well on the programming test -_- |
| 22:40.31 | Antiarc | cogwheel: Wait, what? |
| 22:40.38 | alestane | for x=1,100 do print(x % 3 and "Fizz" or "", x % 5 and "Buzz" or "") end |
| 22:41.13 | alestane | Oh wait, that doesn't work in Lua. |
| 22:41.18 | cogwheel | Antiarc: i impressed them :P |
| 22:41.18 | alestane | /shame |
| 22:41.26 | Adys | Why not? |
| 22:41.32 | foxlit | 0 is true |
| 22:41.36 | Adys | Oh |
| 22:41.41 | alestane | Because all numbers are true in Lua, including 0. |
| 22:41.44 | nicoli_s | im so glad i didnt have to do any of that shit, was lucky enough to get refered to all my jobs |
| 22:41.56 | alestane | for x=1,100 do print(x % 3 == 0 and "Fizz" or "", x % 5 == 0 and "Buzz" or "") end |
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| 22:42.00 | KieferSkunk | Heh... back in college, I actually got marked down for using a C++ for loop like this: int found = 0; for (int i = 0; i < max && !found; i++) { if( thing[i] == whatiwant ) found = 1; (do stuff) } |
| 22:42.10 | alestane | I had my conditions backwards anyway. |
| 22:42.13 | cogwheel | nicoli_s: yeah, i'm at my current job having started as an office temp doing basic faxing and customer service for $13/hr >< |
| 22:42.17 | Adys | alestane: you mean != |
| 22:42.17 | Adys | ah |
| 22:42.18 | foxlit | alestane: it's still very meh |
| 22:42.39 | foxlit | You're spewing \t chars into stdout, and you're not actually printing numbers in any case. |
| 22:42.48 | alestane | Actually, it doesn't fulfill the condition of printing the number. |
| 22:42.53 | alestane | So yeah, I fail. |
| 22:43.26 | nicoli_s | cogwheel:i did like bus boying for like 3 years before getting a coding job so i can feel you there |
| 22:44.15 | cogwheel | nicoli_s: i mean i started at this company doing that kind of work and eventually became their IT department. |
| 22:44.48 | Lunessa | I once got a gig because I was the only guy who had indented and commented his code. |
| 22:46.21 | KieferSkunk | Looks like #curseforge went dead again. |
| 22:46.39 | Antiarc | alestane: That doesn't pass the test :P |
| 22:46.43 | Antiarc | 100.times {|i| f=i%3==0;b=i%5==0; puts sprintf("%s%s%s", f ? "Fizz" : "", b ? "Buzz" : "", !(f or b) ? i : "") } |
| 22:47.16 | alestane | My original plan was to write it in Python, which I suspect would have been much simpler if I knew Python better. |
| 22:47.30 | alestane | And did I not already acknowledge that, Antiarc? |
| 22:47.35 | Antiarc | Oh, so you did |
| 22:47.51 | KieferSkunk | I don't mean to be a pain, but what do I need to do to actually get my addon onto Curse.com? I already created the project, set it to Release, got it approved, uploaded a zip file as release, and got that approved. But it's now been several hours and it's still not showing up on Curse.com . |
| 22:48.03 | KieferSkunk | Curse.com also doesn't recognize me as an author of anything. |
| 22:48.49 | Antiarc | You might have better luck asking in #wowace or #curseforge |
| 22:49.01 | Antiarc | I just commit things to the wowace repo and the packager builds the zips and publishes them |
| 22:49.16 | KieferSkunk | I'll try #wowace, but nobody is responding in #curseforge |
| 22:50.14 | KieferSkunk | And I haven't set up a repository because I can't run SVN software here at work (would have to wait until I get home). But supposedly just uploading a zip through the CurseForge uploader should be good enough, according to the knowledge base. |
| 22:51.28 | Cairenn | You're welcome to use our SVN repository etc instead |
| 22:51.38 | Cairenn | our == WoWInterface |
| 22:52.11 | Corrodias2 | our suppositories are also quite comfy |
| 22:52.20 | Cairenn | :p |
| 22:52.21 | nicoli_s | Cairenn:stop trying to poach our users "{ |
| 22:52.24 | nicoli_s | :P* |
| 22:52.33 | Fisker | the game nicoli_s |
| 22:52.37 | Cairenn | nicoli_s: oh give me a break :p |
| 22:52.40 | nicoli_s | hehe |
| 22:52.47 | Cairenn | pokes nicoli_s |
| 22:52.50 | cogwheel | poaches Fisker's egg |
| 22:52.53 | alestane | A repository can be published on either site regardless of who hosts it. |
| 22:52.54 | KieferSkunk | Cairenn: Is your SVN repository something I can use via the web? |
| 22:52.55 | Lunessa | Users - Not a Zero-Sum game. |
| 22:54.01 | Cairenn | KieferSkunk: http://svn.wowinterface.com/ http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=svn |
| 22:56.20 | Cairenn | and yes, as alestane said .... you're welcome to publish on WoWI as well as on Curse if you want to, regardless of where you set up your SVN .... most authors do host on both |
| 22:57.34 | foxlit | curse should add combined addon RSS feeds |
| 22:58.07 | foxlit | especially since curse/curseforge have different comment threads. |
| 22:59.18 | Tuller | that would make me happy, except for the spam I get |
| 23:04.40 | KieferSkunk | Unfortunately, I still have to have an SVN client to actually use the SVN. |
| 23:04.45 | Tuller | yep! |
| 23:04.50 | KieferSkunk | Which means I'll have to wait until I get home. |
| 23:04.58 | KieferSkunk | I was hoping there would be a web UI I could use to upload to it. |
| 23:05.12 | Kraps | why doesnt steam have EA games? |
| 23:05.14 | Tuller | also caireenn may or may not give free cookies with each new addon upload on wowi |
| 23:05.20 | Tuller | steam has ea games |
| 23:05.31 | Tuller | in fact, they're doing a steam sale that is entitled "ea week" |
| 23:05.38 | Kraps | oh ya... |
| 23:05.57 | Kraps | bit not simcity |
| 23:06.21 | Tuller | its a damn good question why they lack simcity, laziness I assume |
| 23:06.26 | Fisker | lets Tuller Kraps |
| 23:08.08 | Kraps | who are you rooting for Fisker? |
| 23:09.19 | Kraps | is simcity societies any good? |
| 23:09.43 | Tuller | if i recall, its "yes if you remember to not think of it as sim city" |
| 23:13.27 | KieferSkunk | Ah well, gotta get running. Guess I'll wait to set up everything at home. Thanks for the help, guys. |
| 23:14.13 | Fisker | never Kraps |
| 23:14.33 | Fisker | and i'm not rooting for anyone Kraps |
| 23:14.37 | Fisker | i'm asking you to Tuller |
| 23:14.51 | Kraps | i refuse |
| 23:16.08 | Fisker | then i'll Kraps with Ackis |
| 23:16.35 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/sale/ea_week |
| 23:17.17 | Fisker | old |
| 23:17.47 | Kraps | tiberium wars looks good |
| 23:18.54 | Fisker | i'm sick Kraps |
| 23:19.05 | Kraps | yes you are |
| 23:19.39 | Fisker | very sick |
| 23:20.19 | Fisker | http://hd.engadget.com/2010/06/16/logitechs-companion-box-will-be-named-the-revue-with-google-t/ <-giev this already |
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| 23:21.17 | Fisker | I LOLD |
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| 23:23.36 | Fisker | did you Kraps? |
| 23:29.06 | Kraps | no i didnt Fisker |
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| 23:30.18 | alestane | Speaking of computer science, has this been posted in here yet? http://xkcd.com/754/ |
| 23:30.31 | Adys | of course |
| 23:30.33 | Adys | what do you think |
| 23:30.42 | Adys | its xkcd, it's been posted before it's even been published |
| 23:30.55 | Adys | which reminds me, check this out: http://xkcd.com/755/ |
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| 23:31.50 | Thunder_Child | no, check this one out http://xkcd.com/100000000000/ |
| 23:32.06 | Fisker | bah alestane |
| 23:32.09 | Fisker | that's what i lold about |
| 23:49.07 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: old, that ones all over the net |
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| 23:52.11 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ7dPCH_gW0 |
| 23:54.29 | Cide | leon ftw |
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