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| 00:04.31 | cogwheel | Fisker: i control my AC with THE INTERNET! |
| 00:04.53 | Wobin | hax into cogwheel's Interwebs and turns it onto Arctic |
| 00:05.04 | cogwheel | why, thank you! |
| 00:07.05 | Thunder_Child | lucky cogwheel |
| 00:07.09 | Thunder_Child | has A/C on |
| 00:14.56 | Fisker | slaps Sixen around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:15.03 | Fisker | Sixen |
| 00:15.06 | Fisker | did you bet on duke? |
| 00:16.06 | Sixen | pfft, duke |
| 00:16.27 | Fisker | why so pfft? |
| 00:16.52 | Fisker | You really should bet on duke |
| 00:18.31 | Sixen | ;p |
| 00:19.23 | Fisker | :3? |
| 00:24.49 | Arrowmaster | if i get my hands on a roadrunner network admin anytime soon it will not end well for them |
| 00:25.22 | Thunder_Child | you mean time warner |
| 00:25.25 | Arrowmaster | SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK! IVE GOT A FUCKING 2000MS PING ON THE FIRST GOD DAMN HOP! |
| 00:25.50 | Shirik | lmao |
| 00:25.51 | Kalroth | maybe your router needs a reboot then |
| 00:26.17 | Arrowmaster | routers only been on for 16 days |
| 00:27.21 | taroven | Gah, soz for the spam |
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| 00:28.56 | Arrowmaster | you know even after i dont know how many years, im still curious as to why 10.40.128.1 shows up as the first hop in traceroute |
| 00:29.45 | Gnarfoz | how does that compute? |
| 00:30.18 | Gnarfoz | what's surprising about it, I mean =) |
| 00:31.25 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 00:31.42 | Thunder_Child | so they use a class as as their wan |
| 00:31.49 | Thunder_Child | class a* |
| 00:32.07 | Arrowmaster | that its a local non routeable address, and nothing from the actual subnet my ip is part of shows up |
| 00:32.27 | Arrowmaster | but i guess thats just something to do with how much of a hack cable networking is |
| 00:32.45 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 00:32.49 | Fisker | instead of betting on that router |
| 00:32.53 | Fisker | you should've bet on duke |
| 00:34.43 | Arrowmaster | i know theres at least three different /21's visable to my cable modem, i can pickup all their arp traffic with wireshark |
| 00:36.05 | Fisker | so your /21's got visas or? |
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| 00:38.10 | Fisker | cat got your tongue Arrowmaster? :3 |
| 00:45.45 | Fisker | i think Arrowmaster got owned |
| 00:45.58 | cog|away | cat got your penis fisker |
| 00:46.04 | Arrowmaster | no i went afk and just got back |
| 00:46.16 | Fisker | sure |
| 00:46.41 | Gnarfoz | <Arrowmaster> that its a local non routeable address, and nothing from the actual subnet my ip is part of shows up <-- it's routable to *you*, obviously? |
| 00:48.23 | Gnarfoz | and that cable internet is done using multicast/broadcast in the downstream direction is also no secret, it's like good ol' non-switched networking ;F |
| 00:54.22 | batrick | http://www.batbytes.com/M4108805.honreplay |
| 00:54.31 | batrick | ^ last 2 minutes are lol |
| 00:55.57 | Thunder_Child | "A 12 year old Canadian kid said I was a pussy for only buying a 28-pack. I fit in better in this country." |
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| 01:06.55 | Amarande | gah |
| 01:07.03 | Amarande | what is with the number of level 18-19 paladin tanks I encounter :| |
| 01:07.26 | Mikina | just lucky I guess :P |
| 01:08.49 | Antiarc | Because DKs are never 18-19? |
| 01:10.01 | Amarande | aka, why can I never seem to get a tank who can properly tank |
| 01:11.30 | Gnarfoz | boo |
| 01:12.23 | Amarande | at least, on alliance side |
| 01:12.28 | Amarande | I never seem to have this trouble on horde side |
| 01:12.39 | Gnarfoz | even more boo |
| 01:13.03 | Amarande | well, that and this sfk group was a galloping disaster anyway |
| 01:16.56 | Amarande | wtf. 2900 wow-heroes GS for TOGC10? |
| 01:17.09 | Amarande | is this guy insane? heh |
| 01:17.19 | Gnarfoz | who cares, he's obviously a moron |
| 01:17.35 | Amarande | on the good side, I dinged 22 |
| 01:17.40 | Amarande | 22 is an extremely important and wonderful level |
| 01:18.01 | Amarande | in fact, 22 is one of the levels one will celebrate with the greatest glee in the age of LFD |
| 01:18.42 | Amarande | I'm not sure if there's any other level that comes with as big a sense of freedom. :) |
| 01:30.42 | Thunder_Child | yes, that would be the max one |
| 01:31.01 | Amarande | T_C: you know what's special about 22 nowadays, right? :) |
| 01:32.40 | Amarande | 22 ... the level at which you stop being able to be assigned to WC when queuing for randoms |
| 01:33.11 | Thunder_Child | so, i had SM's GY for 10 levels |
| 01:33.20 | Thunder_Child | w/e, it ends eventually |
| 01:40.35 | Amarande | honestly, it's not so much the design of WC I hate |
| 01:40.37 | Amarande | or the encounters |
| 01:40.46 | Amarande | although it does tend to attract underleveled paladin tanks who make everything go even slower |
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| 01:41.09 | Amarande | it's the fact that from 16-21 as DPS, you basically need at least three or four hours spare time to afford to queue at all |
| 01:41.47 | Amarande | I wouldn't mind SM GY over and over again, short dungeon with quick satchels ftw |
| 01:51.11 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: SM GY is so boring. |
| 01:51.23 | DWSR | I started to challenge tanks to do the entire instance in 2 or 3 pulls. |
| 01:51.29 | DWSR | Just because I needed something of a challenge as a healer. |
| 01:51.34 | Thunder_Child | it is after the 100th time |
| 01:51.37 | DWSR | And it helped with all the tankadins who were leveling. |
| 02:06.10 | Amarande | tankadins ... you love them at high levels and hate them at low ones |
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| 02:41.43 | Kraps | The candyman can |
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| 02:46.54 | Thunder_Child | i hate you for getting that stuck in my head Kraps |
| 02:55.55 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: thank you, i try |
| 02:56.24 | Amarande | dumps a half gallon of Tigule & Foror's on Kraps's head |
| 03:01.52 | Xinhuan | doo doooo do doo do, mana mana |
| 03:09.13 | Kraps | its a small world after all |
| 03:09.28 | Torhal | Kraps: What does that have to do with the wheels on the bus? |
| 03:10.41 | Kraps | Torhal: it comes around the mountain |
| 03:10.54 | Torhal | Aha! |
| 03:38.06 | Amarande | Rats! |
| 03:38.09 | Amarande | Missed the boat to SW! |
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| 03:46.47 | Amarande | lolwtf, the QH taxi arrow says this mob for a Bloodmyst quest is in SW now |
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| 03:46.52 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 03:46.56 | Cairenn | hi |
| 03:47.31 | Amarande | how's you? |
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| 03:48.50 | Cairenn | sleepy-stupid |
| 03:48.51 | Cairenn | you? |
| 03:52.00 | Amarande | good :) |
| 03:52.14 | Amarande | didn't think to go through that green portal in SW to find the portal trainer though :| |
| 03:52.45 | Shirik | ok so this song is awesome |
| 03:52.46 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn_oN4NI184 |
| 03:52.49 | Shirik | especially around 2:15 |
| 03:52.50 | Shirik | just found it |
| 03:53.44 | Cairenn | gorgeous Shirik :) |
| 03:55.42 | Sixen | ~ping cogwheel |
| 03:55.53 | Dashkal | ooo, pretty. Thanks, Shirik. |
| 03:55.54 | Sixen | cog|away |
| 03:57.29 | Sixen | someone wake up :(. kd3! |
| 03:57.39 | kd3 | hm? sec |
| 03:58.33 | Kraps | Shirik: the guitar helps |
| 03:58.49 | Shirik | agree |
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| 04:09.55 | Amarande | ZORBAAAAAAAA |
| 04:10.29 | Amarande | your silly addon keeps thinking SW is Bloodmyst Isle :| |
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| 04:41.50 | batrick | Shirik: you got an android phone right? |
| 04:45.32 | Iriel | I have one. |
| 04:46.03 | batrick | im trying to see if we can play chess using our phones |
| 04:46.58 | Antiarc | Ya'll should use my authenticator :D |
| 04:48.08 | Stan_ | what's yours |
| 04:48.54 | Antiarc | FlexAuth |
| 04:49.04 | Antiarc | I'm gonna push a new release as soon as I get this widget figured out |
| 04:49.12 | Antiarc | (so you can have a widget on your homescreen with your current auth code) |
| 04:49.32 | Iriel | Is there a battery cost to that? |
| 04:55.18 | Antiarc | I dunno yet |
| 04:55.29 | Antiarc | I'm working hard to make it not cost much battery |
| 04:55.36 | Antiarc | If you do it the easy way, yes, it costs a lot of battery |
| 04:55.46 | Antiarc | But you can apparently use an AlarmManager to send messages only while the phone is awake |
| 04:56.07 | Antiarc | So I'm gonna give that a go, but it's a bit awkward |
| 04:56.19 | Antiarc | I don't quite grok intents and pendingintents and how they're handled |
| 04:59.51 | Antiarc | I've quite enjoyed the project, though |
| 04:59.55 | Antiarc | Lots to learn. |
| 05:04.17 | Iriel | I like the android API's - they're cleanish and make sense |
| 05:07.48 | Antiarc | Yeah. The biggest problem is that it's in Java :P |
| 05:07.58 | Antiarc | The actual design of the system, though, is very nice |
| 05:08.31 | Iriel | Whats wrong with Java? |
| 05:10.29 | Antiarc | It's just verbose. Lots of casting and subclassing to make one little customization and layers upon layers of indirection. |
| 05:15.42 | Iriel | Android makes it slightly more verbose than perhaps it could be, though I think it's to keep the core runtime simple and efficient |
| 05:23.06 | Antiarc | I'm mostly just horridly spoiled by spending the better part of the last decade in loosely-typed languages |
| 05:25.15 | sylvanaar | thats java for you - why do you think code generators became so popular |
| 05:27.26 | sylvanaar | and dont forget the xml - its usually not just java its java + xml + properties files |
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| 05:46.56 | Antiarc | woot, think I have it working. |
| 05:49.42 | Shirik | I do not have an android phone |
| 05:49.46 | Shirik | I have a blackberry |
| 05:56.36 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/ysBRD.png |
| 05:58.58 | Wobin | Antiarc, nice |
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| 06:12.16 | Shirik | there is something seriously wrong with this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Escalator&diff=prev&oldid=367723920 |
| 06:16.51 | industrial | http://subforge.org/ |
| 06:16.54 | industrial | ruby tiling wm zomg |
| 06:16.58 | industrial | haste: ^ |
| 06:17.15 | Shirik | the fuck is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zakumi.jpg |
| 06:18.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: a mascot? |
| 06:18.15 | Shirik | scary ass mascot |
| 06:18.27 | Thunder_Child | actually, it has a FIFA logo |
| 06:18.41 | Thunder_Child | with a 2K7 copyright |
| 06:21.02 | Shirik | fifa has a logo? |
| 06:23.36 | Thunder_Child | by logo i meant it said FIFA |
| 06:26.09 | Amarande | ok, time to ditch QH |
| 06:26.14 | Amarande | it's starting to glitch horribly now |
| 06:26.35 | Amarande | quest log panes being empty ... quest log entries being unclickable ... it thinks Stormwind is Bloodmyst ... |
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| 06:47.15 | Amarande | omg |
| 06:47.31 | Amarande | I've seen bad raid fillin requests and then I've seen BAD raid fillin requests |
| 06:47.35 | Amarande | this one in trade chat just now |
| 06:47.52 | Amarande | asking for someone for ICC, on blood queen and they specifically mention "we use a DKP system" |
| 06:47.58 | Amarande | yeah, he caved in after I confronted him with the obvious |
| 06:48.09 | Amarande | which is that he wanted someone to join his raid and not have a chance on any of his guild's loot :P |
| 06:48.29 | Amarande | ... yeaaahhh who's gonna risk wipes and a repair bill, expend expensive consumables, for a raid where they can't get anything from it? |
| 06:48.36 | Amarande | that's just a sucker deal :| |
| 06:49.04 | Thunder_Child | stabs the fuck out of dev that think creating installers with music you cant turn off is a 'good' or 'cool' thing |
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| 06:49.10 | Thunder_Child | devs* |
| 06:50.12 | Amarande | T_C, would you join an ICC25 raid where they're clearly trying to say that the person who agrees to fill in does not have any rights to roll on the loot? |
| 06:50.37 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E |
| 06:50.44 | Xinhuan | Amarande, i would go if all i wanted was badges and it was the last day of the week |
| 06:52.23 | Xinhuan | or if for some reason, you knew you couldn't raid remainder of the week |
| 06:55.00 | Xinhuan | i can come up with more obscure reasons too, such as wanting the vampire achievement, or just the kill achievement :P |
| 06:57.55 | Amarande | night |
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| 07:11.26 | Antiarc | Hooray, FlexAuth v1.1 published |
| 07:11.28 | Antiarc | Go get it! |
| 07:12.51 | nevcairiel | so you can steal my accounts? nowai! |
| 07:13.08 | Antiarc | How would it steal your accounts >:| |
| 07:17.35 | mikma | antiarc: wut? :) link please |
| 07:17.53 | nevcairiel | android market :p |
| 07:18.39 | mikma | i has no such thing |
| 07:19.34 | nevcairiel | how is the legality of that thing anyway? didnt you basically have to reverse engineer their app to make it work? |
| 07:19.38 | mikma | "The NDA just lifted and a couple of information have been revealed." |
| 07:19.47 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: I wrote an app from a spec I found online |
| 07:19.56 | Antiarc | http://bnetauth.freeportal.us/ |
| 07:20.19 | nevcairiel | so using information that someone else reverse engineerd is better ? ;) |
| 07:20.47 | Antiarc | Well, it implements an RFC for the actual algorithm, and the web service is just the consumption of a public web service |
| 07:20.56 | Antiarc | If they yell at me I'll take it down. *shrug* |
| 07:21.51 | Antiarc | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4226.txt is the algorithm |
| 07:23.21 | mikma | that's so damn cool |
| 07:23.34 | nevcairiel | They lift the NDA on a sunday? |
| 07:23.37 | nevcairiel | wth is up with them |
| 07:23.38 | mikma | ~antiarc++ |
| 07:23.45 | mikma | no idea |
| 07:23.49 | mikma | i just read it from mmo |
| 07:23.52 | Antiarc | eh? Cata NDA being lifted? |
| 07:24.12 | Antiarc | hahah, holy shit |
| 07:24.13 | mikma | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1790-World-of-Warcraft-Cataclysm-Press-Tour |
| 07:24.16 | Antiarc | "All that neat stuff, yeah, that's gone" |
| 07:24.20 | mikma | aye |
| 07:24.29 | nevcairiel | I bet they put Antiarc into the alpha anyway, what does he care! |
| 07:24.35 | Antiarc | I'm not in the alpha :/ |
| 07:24.46 | Antiarc | Also, wow, this is...I dunno. This sounds bad. |
| 07:24.55 | mikma | antiarc: you work for blizz in some way? |
| 07:25.00 | Antiarc | Nope. |
| 07:25.25 | mikma | damn, i was gonna ask free epix |
| 07:25.40 | nevcairiel | they simplified some of their plans |
| 07:25.52 | Antiarc | The loss of guild talents is particularly irksome |
| 07:26.06 | nevcairiel | tbh, i didnt even think about path of the titans much, nearly forgot that there was something planned |
| 07:26.17 | Antiarc | My 4-guild guild alliance consolidated into a single guild in anticipation of Cataclysm's guild perks |
| 07:26.25 | Shadowed | Path wasn't really that interesting |
| 07:26.41 | Shadowed | From what they showed at Blizzcon, it looked more like a nightmare to balance |
| 07:26.41 | nevcairiel | you still have some perks |
| 07:26.44 | nevcairiel | just not talents |
| 07:27.05 | Shadowed | Making it rewards/reputation actually seems a bit nicer than talents |
| 07:28.14 | nevcairiel | medium glyphs that add fun effects to spells sounds like a good idea, though |
| 07:28.20 | Shadowed | eh |
| 07:28.29 | Shadowed | those are basically just minor glyphs, but with a fun new name |
| 07:28.34 | Shadowed | kind of silly |
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| 07:28.48 | nevcairiel | as long as i can add more glyphs |
| 07:28.50 | nevcairiel | all is good! |
| 07:29.23 | Shadowed | Medium glyphs are a bit boggling thought and really feel like |
| 07:29.34 | Shadowed | "Hey, we removed path, let's find something that's new to glyphs so it looks like we did something!" |
| 07:29.50 | Shadowed | Since minor glyphs are already horribly random and some classes have 3 good ones, some have 1 |
| 07:29.56 | nevcairiel | shrug, they need to re-do all glyphs anyway |
| 07:30.00 | Shadowed | indeed |
| 07:30.05 | Antiarc | What would be neat is if they had a 4th glyph effect based on your 3 major glyphs |
| 07:30.17 | nevcairiel | that sounds way too complicated |
| 07:30.18 | Antiarc | So glyphs A + B + C produce effect Y |
| 07:30.26 | Shadowed | That sounds awful :P |
| 07:30.28 | Antiarc | It would be, but it could be a lot of fun. |
| 07:30.31 | Antiarc | Metaglyphs, as it were. |
| 07:30.40 | nevcairiel | they are trying to simplify stuff |
| 07:30.41 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 07:31.09 | nevcairiel | just think how it would look in the UI, impossible to properly show the options |
| 07:31.28 | Shadowed | Showing medium glyphs is going to be a bit wonky too :P |
| 07:31.37 | Shadowed | Although |
| 07:31.49 | Shadowed | Maybe they'll use medium glyphs as an excuse to not give us more major/minor slots |
| 07:32.25 | nevcairiel | I didnt expect to really get more anyway |
| 07:33.27 | Antiarc | Adding more glyphs would become unbalanced rather quickly. |
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| 07:37.09 | Shirik | night |
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| 07:42.44 | zenzelezz | "A malicious backdoor was added to the UnrealIRCd source archive some time around November 2009." |
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| 07:54.17 | xanax` | hello |
| 07:54.40 | zenzelezz | hi |
| 07:56.31 | mikma | zenzelezz: hah |
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| 08:28.15 | xanax` | can I put button inside a <layer> </layer> ? |
| 08:29.49 | Cide | nope |
| 08:29.56 | xanax` | ok |
| 08:33.34 | xanax` | they must be in a <frame> I guess ? |
| 08:35.07 | Wobin | wow, mmo-champ is buried |
| 08:35.22 | Cide | why don't you go learn or try |
| 08:36.09 | xanax` | i am trying and learning |
| 08:36.21 | xanax` | i just come here to get help |
| 08:37.20 | Cide | your question is easily verifiable |
| 08:45.02 | xanax` | whatever i try, inside <layer>, or simply inside <frames> it doesn't work :-( |
| 08:45.54 | Wobin | If you manage to defeat him in Heroic Mode, an "horrific secret will be revealed when he dies". |
| 08:46.01 | Wobin | ... an "horrific... ? |
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| 10:54.08 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! || 3.3.5 PTR Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/bY6mEm || AVR broken in 3.3.5 http://cot.ag/aYo2YE || Are you going to BlizzCon? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Happy Birthday Mr. Seerah! |
| 10:54.20 | Xinhuan | probably something to do with adjustable bar sizes |
| 10:54.39 | airtonix | how does bartender do it ? |
| 10:54.52 | Xinhuan | 10 bars of 12 |
| 10:55.13 | airtonix | can't make bar 1 have 22 buttons ? |
| 10:55.17 | Xinhuan | nope |
| 10:55.24 | airtonix | mm i dont think thats what it was |
| 10:55.38 | Xinhuan | you can make bar 1 have only 7 buttons if you left the last 5 unused (they get hidden) |
| 10:55.52 | airtonix | can you make bartender bars be 3 rows of 3 buttons ? |
| 10:56.13 | Xinhuan | essentially, no, you fake it by using 3 bars of 12, and using only the first 3 buttons of each row |
| 10:56.32 | Xinhuan | (i think) |
| 10:56.38 | DJJeff | ~seen nevcairiel |
| 10:56.39 | purl | nevcairiel is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge, last said: 'so you can steal my accounts? nowai!'. |
| 10:56.43 | airtonix | ok that would start to annoy me because i use the modifer switching to toggle bars |
| 10:57.02 | Xinhuan | oh u can do that in BT i think |
| 10:57.16 | nevcairiel | you can make bars be 3 rows of 3 buttons just fine |
| 10:57.18 | airtonix | yeah but then the amount of possible bars i can switch to is reduced |
| 10:57.32 | Xinhuan | ask the man, he's here : |
| 10:57.33 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 10:57.37 | DJJeff | the man himself nevcairiel is here :) |
| 10:57.39 | airtonix | just specify 3 cols ? |
| 10:57.55 | DJJeff | just installed BT4 I love it grats man :) |
| 10:57.55 | nevcairiel | set number of buttons to 9 |
| 10:58.02 | nevcairiel | and set rows to 3 |
| 10:58.19 | Xinhuan | aha so its essentially just 1 bar of 9 |
| 10:59.24 | DJJeff | BT4 cant hide and unhide blizzards chat can it? |
| 10:59.28 | airtonix | so to satisfy my OCD curiosity, what is the difference between bartender and dominos ? |
| 10:59.35 | nevcairiel | how does bartender interact with chat? |
| 10:59.43 | nevcairiel | it does not! :) |
| 10:59.49 | DJJeff | oh |
| 10:59.51 | DJJeff | :( |
| 11:00.03 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 11:00.04 | airtonix | why would you want it to ? |
| 11:00.07 | DJJeff | chat gets in the <censored> way |
| 11:00.10 | jnwhiteh | why would you want your action button addon to fuck with chat? |
| 11:00.33 | nevcairiel | people want bartender to hide all sorts of UI thats just in the same region as action bars |
| 11:00.35 | Xinhuan | you'll be surprised jnwhiteh |
| 11:00.41 | airtonix | DJJeff, i loved to use dash for that . hide the chat frames in the dash layer |
| 11:00.42 | jnwhiteh | well those people are wrong =) |
| 11:00.53 | Xinhuan | some action button addons modify the loot roll box |
| 11:01.05 | olafski | you could just.. move the chat frames out of the way djjeff |
| 11:01.06 | Xinhuan | simply because the loot roll box would cover up the addon buttons otherwise |
| 11:01.14 | Xinhuan | and you can't move the loot roll box by default |
| 11:01.18 | nevcairiel | i removed that module a long time ago |
| 11:01.23 | nevcairiel | but i agree that its a problem :P |
| 11:01.34 | airtonix | release it as a optional module ? |
| 11:01.36 | nevcairiel | the roll box unmovable |
| 11:01.39 | airtonix | like tuller did |
| 11:02.01 | DJJeff | nui dashboard? |
| 11:02.03 | DJJeff | hrmmmm |
| 11:02.06 | airtonix | ... |
| 11:02.08 | airtonix | i hate you |
| 11:02.13 | DJJeff | that would go very well with bartender |
| 11:02.17 | airtonix | no... |
| 11:02.18 | airtonix | it |
| 11:02.20 | airtonix | would |
| 11:02.20 | airtonix | not |
| 11:02.24 | DJJeff | why? |
| 11:02.37 | airtonix | releases an army of savage starving baboons on DJJeff |
| 11:02.42 | DJJeff | whats wrong with nui :) |
| 11:02.47 | nevcairiel | i really need to get more time and work on next bartender |
| 11:02.50 | DJJeff | sends hordes of lemmings over airtonix |
| 11:03.22 | airtonix | in any case... |
| 11:03.26 | airtonix | your UI will always be bad |
| 11:03.30 | airtonix | because its not mine |
| 11:03.38 | DJJeff | give me 1 thing wrong with NUI |
| 11:03.44 | Xinhuan | next bartender? lol |
| 11:03.47 | DJJeff | plus take a screenshot of your ui |
| 11:03.56 | DJJeff | if you think its so gr8 |
| 11:04.06 | airtonix | you dont understand |
| 11:04.16 | airtonix | even if you UI happend to look like mine |
| 11:04.18 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: the current version grew around the additions in 3.x, soem stuff is broken and ugly =P |
| 11:04.23 | DJJeff | and not a good idea to make fun of Bartender if the man himself is here |
| 11:04.34 | DJJeff | X_X |
| 11:04.45 | airtonix | i think nevcairiel has thicker skin than I |
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| 11:05.03 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ |
| 11:05.55 | airtonix | odd. |
| 11:06.03 | airtonix | i just searched for bartender on wowinterface |
| 11:06.11 | airtonix | and it took me to cbc news website |
| 11:06.16 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:06.35 | airtonix | :) |
| 11:07.01 | airtonix | its like google doing a pacman on you |
| 11:07.16 | nevcairiel | playing pacman on google was fun, though |
| 11:07.23 | DJJeff | im gonna give nui a shot to workwith my bartender4 :) |
| 11:07.35 | airtonix | nevcairiel, what does "Show/Hide driver based on Macro Conditions" mean |
| 11:07.41 | Xinhuan | do you know if you searched "world cup" on google, it says "GOOOOOOOOOOAL!" at the bottom instead of "GOOOOOOOOOOGLE!" |
| 11:07.58 | airtonix | pro |
| 11:08.05 | Xinhuan | it even displays upcoming matches in your time zone automatically |
| 11:08.18 | DJJeff | i've played packman on MS/DOS hell the old XT ... (before 386) was awesome |
| 11:08.26 | nevcairiel | airtonix: you can use macro syntax to specify custom conditions to toggle the visibility of bars |
| 11:08.36 | airtonix | an example if you would please ? |
| 11:08.48 | nevcairiel | [combat]hide;show |
| 11:08.52 | airtonix | oh right |
| 11:08.54 | nevcairiel | hides bar in combat, shows otherwise |
| 11:09.00 | airtonix | thats nice |
| 11:09.08 | airtonix | saves on ui tickboxes |
| 11:09.26 | nevcairiel | the common ones have boxes, but everyone can build their own thing when they want |
| 11:11.24 | DJJeff | ~seen spiel2001 |
| 11:11.26 | purl | DJJeff: i haven't seen 'spiel2001' |
| 11:11.31 | DJJeff | hrmmmm sounds german |
| 11:11.32 | DJJeff | X_X |
| 11:11.43 | jnwhiteh | vagina. |
| 11:11.53 | DJJeff | Vadgina ? |
| 11:12.12 | DJJeff | I have a warlock named Vadgina (sigh) |
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| 11:12.31 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 11:12.39 | airtonix | why |
| 11:12.45 | DJJeff | why not.... |
| 11:12.48 | DJJeff | no harm no foul |
| 11:12.50 | airtonix | no really. |
| 11:13.04 | airtonix | sit down on my couch and let it all out |
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| 11:13.28 | DJJeff | will do X_X |
| 11:13.45 | DJJeff | why cant battle.net passwords have upper and lowercase mixtures |
| 11:13.54 | DJJeff | with all these scams |
| 11:14.05 | DJJeff | I mean come on blizzard wake up |
| 11:14.18 | DJJeff | its to sell the stupid authenticator |
| 11:14.20 | DJJeff | or w.e |
| 11:14.22 | olafski | hm they removed path of the titans again? how lame |
| 11:14.59 | olafski | if you really have to rely on that to be safe you're doing it wrong btw djjeff |
| 11:15.13 | jnwhiteh | my battle.net password has uppercase and lowercase letters.. are you saying its all lowercased? |
| 11:15.24 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 11:15.28 | DJJeff | yes |
| 11:15.32 | Xinhuan | wow account passwords has never been case sensitive |
| 11:15.35 | Xinhuan | since 2004 |
| 11:15.53 | airtonix | no path of the titans ? |
| 11:15.55 | airtonix | wtf |
| 11:16.03 | olafski | airtonix: no guild talents either |
| 11:16.06 | airtonix | ... |
| 11:16.11 | olafski | xinhuan: yes they were |
| 11:16.19 | airtonix | so no real expansion then |
| 11:16.23 | Xinhuan | are u sure? |
| 11:16.25 | olafski | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ there is all the news :) |
| 11:16.28 | Xinhuan | i don't remember them being case sensitive |
| 11:16.28 | DJJeff | guild talents are comming in cata |
| 11:16.43 | olafski | xinhuan: yes, they also removed the ability to use '-' in your password when switching to bnet |
| 11:16.46 | olafski | djjeff: no |
| 11:16.51 | nevcairiel | they just re-designed the idea of the guild bonus, no longer talents, but another system |
| 11:16.59 | DJJeff | mmo-champian is a fan site |
| 11:17.02 | DJJeff | not a real site |
| 11:17.04 | nevcairiel | don't only read the headline |
| 11:17.07 | olafski | go away djjeff |
| 11:17.11 | DJJeff | why |
| 11:17.12 | olafski | Raid leaders will be able to split an ongoing 25-man raid into up to three 10-man raids. <-- this is nice though :) |
| 11:17.17 | olafski | you're trolling |
| 11:17.24 | DJJeff | trolling how? |
| 11:17.32 | olafski | I read it nevcairiel.. I still consider that "gone" :) |
| 11:17.40 | DJJeff | cause im saying its a fan site and not from blizzard |
| 11:17.46 | nevcairiel | i didnt like the idea of talents anyway |
| 11:17.54 | olafski | djjeff: it has quotes from blizzard officials.. can't really deny that such information is real |
| 11:17.59 | nevcairiel | getting a flat bonus is saner |
| 11:18.01 | airtonix | good thing i dont play wow anymore |
| 11:18.08 | olafski | nevcairiel: I liked it.. though it might have been cause for a lot of arguments ;) |
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| 11:18.22 | DJJeff | youtube videos from blizzcon 2009 cant deny that either |
| 11:18.28 | Cide | you're bad |
| 11:18.35 | Cide | stop being stupid |
| 11:18.36 | DJJeff | unless they are changing their minds |
| 11:18.40 | nevcairiel | blizzcon is along time ago |
| 11:18.41 | Cide | they did, that's the whole fucking point |
| 11:18.42 | nevcairiel | plans change |
| 11:18.43 | DJJeff | which they are alowed too |
| 11:19.10 | Cide | maybe if you read the site that was linked you would have understood that was the case |
| 11:19.25 | olafski | exactly :P |
| 11:19.26 | Cide | and we wouldn't be having this conversation that's wasting me and everyone else's very valuable time |
| 11:19.36 | DJJeff | ooooooo 5 min of time |
| 11:19.39 | Cide | and your time too, but I doubt that's valuable |
| 11:19.40 | DJJeff | is valuable |
| 11:19.42 | olafski | ah, and the links from mmo-c to wowhead have some more information about why these things were done |
| 11:19.53 | Cide | do you know who I am? |
| 11:20.00 | DJJeff | who are you? |
| 11:20.04 | DJJeff | enlighten me |
| 11:20.06 | Cide | then don't question how valuable my time is |
| 11:20.15 | DJJeff | do you know who I am? |
| 11:20.24 | olafski | an uninformed person? |
| 11:20.29 | DJJeff | "then don't question how valuable my time is" |
| 11:20.29 | olafski | and not just today.. :) |
| 11:20.35 | jnwhiteh | this stupid conversation just got more meta and useless |
| 11:20.44 | jnwhiteh | I wasn't sure that was possible. |
| 11:20.46 | mikma | so, what will happen if BP cannot plug the oil-leak in 48h? |
| 11:20.55 | olafski | djjeff: you're the guy who found out about guild talents last week :) |
| 11:21.05 | Xinhuan | easy mikma, the US govt will bail BP out |
| 11:21.12 | DJJeff | I am upset....... I wanted guilds to have bonus |
| 11:21.18 | DJJeff | so people dont go guild hopping |
| 11:21.26 | nevcairiel | guild still have a bonus |
| 11:21.31 | nevcairiel | read the page already |
| 11:21.34 | mikma | xinhuan: and, then what? |
| 11:21.46 | olafski | djjeff: read the page |
| 11:21.48 | Xinhuan | i'm not god hehe |
| 11:21.50 | jnwhiteh | Malgayne's post has all of the information you need. |
| 11:22.12 | olafski | yeah, reading that now... nice to know the reasoning behind it ;) |
| 11:22.13 | DJJeff | I only watched the blizzcon videos cause the realms were down for 24 hours |
| 11:22.16 | DJJeff | and I was bored |
| 11:22.18 | jnwhiteh | and, shockingly, all of the information that is available |
| 11:22.18 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 11:22.21 | jnwhiteh | well stop talking about this |
| 11:22.24 | jnwhiteh | unless you're going to read the post. |
| 11:22.40 | jnwhiteh | you're half-reacting to headlines without reading the original source.. and we're not here to educate you =) |
| 11:22.48 | mikma | jnwhiteh: for me to poop on |
| 11:22.56 | olafski | There was also talk about making glyphs permanent rather than consumable—so that as soon as you used a glyph for the first time, it was added to your "list", and thereafter you could rearrange your glyphs later on as you chose. <-- I like this one |
| 11:22.59 | DJJeff | ok I will shutup and go setup my new addons then |
| 11:23.25 | DJJeff | I want the changes to be a surprize anyways |
| 11:23.30 | DJJeff | when they happen :) |
| 11:23.32 | jnwhiteh | okay, make sure you come back in 2 weeks wanting to talk about the other headlines from the article that you're refusing to read. I'm sure it will be enlightening for all of us. |
| 11:23.42 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:23.53 | jnwhiteh | I'm hungry, but we dont have much food in the house. |
| 11:24.15 | olafski | I wonder if the items will continue to require guild reputation even after you've bought them.. guess not, but it would be pretty annoying |
| 11:24.33 | airtonix | ~seen Fiskersmom |
| 11:24.34 | purl | fiskersmom <~4b6507b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-swkxaxkxejrspgpg> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 17h 32m 28s ago, saying: 'Fisker: i need relief. come home.'. |
| 11:24.38 | airtonix | :( |
| 11:24.54 | airtonix | does he only bring her out once every leap year ? |
| 11:25.06 | nevcairiel | hey 4 days isnt that long ago |
| 11:25.09 | DJJeff | that zone changes youtube video is cool I agree :) |
| 11:25.18 | Xinhuan | i wonder if you can gain guild rep with every guild on the server separately :P |
| 11:25.20 | airtonix | in FiskerTime |
| 11:25.30 | Xinhuan | "Achievement: Earn exalted rep with 10 different guilds" |
| 11:25.33 | olafski | xinhuan: well, at most 10 (or as many as they allow with extra purchased slots) |
| 11:25.43 | airtonix | wait ... waht! |
| 11:25.46 | airtonix | guild rep ? |
| 11:26.01 | Xinhuan | yeah, they said you won'tlose all your guild rep immediately on gquit too |
| 11:26.27 | Cide | read the fucking post jesus christ |
| 11:26.28 | airtonix | lol |
| 11:26.32 | airtonix | ragemoar |
| 11:29.39 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmmmmmm |
| 11:29.49 | DJJeff | nui completly replaces bartender4 |
| 11:29.56 | DJJeff | im not happy X_X |
| 11:30.00 | DJJeff | time to dump nui |
| 11:30.07 | haste | industrial: I've known about that one for ages, and I'm not going to use it since it's ruby |
| 11:30.13 | olafski | xinhuan: but if it decays your heirlooms might slowly become unusable :) |
| 11:33.11 | DJJeff | like nui gives a black background along the bottom is nice ... a spot for recount and minimap |
| 11:33.35 | DJJeff | but completely takes over the roll of bartender |
| 11:33.40 | jnwhiteh | role |
| 11:33.55 | DJJeff | yes role |
| 11:33.58 | DJJeff | thank you |
| 11:34.04 | DJJeff | typo on my part |
| 11:34.11 | jnwhiteh | np |
| 11:34.12 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:34.30 | DJJeff | so I need to decide BT4 or NUI |
| 11:34.40 | DJJeff | NUI sucks cause I have xperl |
| 11:34.46 | DJJeff | which I love |
| 11:35.22 | DJJeff | but it did say it was nui (lite mode) |
| 11:35.56 | DJJeff | bah screw it.... bye bye nui |
| 11:36.21 | olafski | if you just want a black bar use a viewport addon |
| 11:37.02 | DJJeff | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/sunn-viewport-art.aspx |
| 11:37.03 | DJJeff | ? |
| 11:37.06 | DJJeff | like that? |
| 11:37.10 | DJJeff | hrmmmm |
| 11:37.16 | DJJeff | might be cool actually :) |
| 11:37.23 | airtonix | xperl is bad |
| 11:37.28 | DJJeff | hush you |
| 11:37.32 | airtonix | no really |
| 11:37.35 | airtonix | it eats babies |
| 11:37.37 | DJJeff | stop making fun of my addons |
| 11:37.39 | airtonix | which is bad |
| 11:37.52 | DJJeff | im fully allowed to use them |
| 11:37.56 | DJJeff | its my choice |
| 11:38.03 | airtonix | you're also allowed to eat babies |
| 11:38.07 | olafski | no, that's NOT what I meant djjeff |
| 11:38.09 | airtonix | im not stopping you |
| 11:38.10 | olafski | just a black bar |
| 11:38.22 | DJJeff | but I prefer |
| 11:38.26 | airtonix | lite panels for pros |
| 11:38.27 | DJJeff | art > black bar |
| 11:38.38 | olafski | your loss then :P |
| 11:38.56 | airtonix | no |
| 11:38.58 | airtonix | its his |
| 11:39.03 | airtonix | "choice"(tm) |
| 11:39.30 | airtonix | we have the freedom to choose from a limited and controlled range of "options" |
| 11:39.31 | olafski | true enough.. I only offered an alternative, I prefer to not see my suggestions mutilated ;) |
| 11:40.01 | airtonix | sorry i left out my sarcasm markup |
| 11:40.24 | DJJeff | an alternative is fine..... encouraging and making fun of mine |
| 11:40.30 | DJJeff | is not cool |
| 11:40.33 | airtonix | is motivation |
| 11:40.46 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 11:40.50 | airtonix | but thats a subjective point of view anyway |
| 11:40.51 | jnwhiteh | and we're fully allowed to tell you they're bad |
| 11:40.54 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 11:41.12 | DJJeff | your allowed too yes |
| 11:41.24 | DJJeff | still not friendly |
| 11:41.31 | DJJeff | and your calling me the troll X_X |
| 11:41.35 | airtonix | would it matter if im smiliing ? |
| 11:41.37 | DJJeff | trolls trolling trolls |
| 11:41.51 | DJJeff | oh wait..... sounds familiar |
| 11:42.05 | DJJeff | all wow players are trolls trolling trolls |
| 11:42.27 | jnwhiteh | use what you want to use |
| 11:42.34 | jnwhiteh | just don't talk to us about them if they're bad ones =) |
| 11:42.38 | jnwhiteh | (i'm kidding, of course) |
| 11:42.48 | airtonix | i hear xperl is good |
| 11:42.50 | airtonix | oh wait |
| 11:42.51 | olafski | if you don't like to hear opinions about it don't start talking about it :P |
| 11:42.53 | airtonix | wrong channe;l |
| 11:44.07 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jag7oTemldY&NR=1 |
| 11:44.16 | DJJeff | I dont mind opionions..... cause they help... I hate bad mouths cause authors spent good time working on these addons |
| 11:44.32 | DJJeff | if you are the author of said addon go right ahead |
| 11:45.01 | olafski | so just because someone spent time on it we're not allowed to give our opinion? |
| 11:45.29 | DJJeff | this is why we cant have nice things.... |
| 11:45.36 | DJJeff | and this is what I getting @ |
| 11:45.41 | olafski | "we" can't have nice things because "we" are ignorant |
| 11:45.45 | DJJeff | if you encourage authors todo better |
| 11:45.49 | olafski | if someone spends 4 years of his life as president are not allowed to criticise him? |
| 11:45.51 | DJJeff | instead of pointing out flaws |
| 11:46.39 | DJJeff | its like ingame...... if people suck that are willing to get better help them out instead of laughing at them |
| 11:46.57 | airtonix | ... |
| 11:47.09 | DJJeff | but laughing at some people does help them get better |
| 11:47.15 | bryno | "constructive criticism" |
| 11:47.18 | DJJeff | cause they see they suck so bad |
| 11:47.27 | DJJeff | TY bryno |
| 11:47.43 | airtonix | lol |
| 11:48.27 | olafski | djjeff: if you would stop saying "you can't say it's bad" but instead would ask "why is it bad?" I'm sure airtonix would have a reason why he dislikes xperl |
| 11:48.27 | DJJeff | lol youtube link has fuck in it |
| 11:48.29 | DJJeff | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YouNIyFuCkc&feature=fvw |
| 11:48.35 | airtonix | you can create a viewport and texture panel addon in eight lines of lua |
| 11:49.09 | olafski | but why are we even arguing this with a guy who thinks it's funny that a random youtube link contains profanity :P |
| 11:49.19 | haste | mikma: loading! |
| 11:49.42 | haste | and there flash crashed :D |
| 11:49.43 | airtonix | lol |
| 11:49.46 | mikma | hah |
| 11:49.59 | haste | somehow bringing firefox with it |
| 11:50.12 | airtonix | somehow ? |
| 11:50.26 | airtonix | you sound surprised ? |
| 11:50.36 | DJJeff | from my link???? it is in " HD " |
| 11:50.38 | airtonix | or confused |
| 11:51.33 | Arrowmaster | haste: maybe you should upgrade to that new 64bit linux version of flash |
| 11:52.11 | airtonix | the one thats not being supported ? |
| 11:52.19 | haste | I'm actually not running 64-bit |
| 11:52.26 | haste | and it's kinda /dev/null anyway now :D |
| 11:52.40 | haste | DJJeff: no, from mikma's |
| 11:55.06 | Fisker | haste |
| 11:55.08 | Fisker | did you bet on duke? |
| 11:55.42 | haste | always |
| 11:56.00 | Fisker | sweet |
| 11:56.53 | DJJeff | Sunn - Viewport is nice.... cant seem to get it higher up tho X_X |
| 11:57.03 | DJJeff | kinda squashed down to far |
| 11:57.03 | airtonix | thats what she said |
| 11:57.38 | DJJeff | theres probley a setting in here |
| 11:57.43 | DJJeff | cant see one tho |
| 11:57.57 | DJJeff | ~seen Sunn |
| 11:57.58 | purl | sunn <i=sunn@unaffiliated/sunn> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 519d 22h 21m 26s ago, saying: 'Trewas: I have already done that'. |
| 11:58.12 | DJJeff | doubt its the same person X_X |
| 11:58.16 | airtonix | no idea i never used sunnart... only ever used : http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info13705-LitePanels.html |
| 12:01.07 | DJJeff | goes well with bartender :) |
| 12:01.11 | DJJeff | im happy now |
| 12:02.10 | mikma | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info13705-LitePanels.html |
| 12:02.18 | mikma | yay missclick |
| 12:02.25 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.31 | mikma | i dislike touchpads |
| 12:02.33 | Cide | that's so ugly I vomited a bit in my mouth |
| 12:02.44 | Cide | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw28941.jpg |
| 12:02.58 | haste | mikma: on my eee pc I open URLs by clicking mouse1 and mouse2 at once |
| 12:03.02 | haste | mikma: which also is pasting :P |
| 12:03.38 | airtonix | Cide, i think you've just proven illiteracy |
| 12:03.38 | haste | Cide: you should totally make that your UI! |
| 12:03.49 | airtonix | :) |
| 12:03.54 | Cide | airtonix, huh? |
| 12:04.07 | airtonix | i know makes sense right ? |
| 12:04.11 | Cide | no |
| 12:04.13 | Cide | not at all |
| 12:04.13 | mikma | haste: these two buttons under the touchpad are side to side, separated by small space, easy to click the right one instead |
| 12:04.37 | Cide | "i think you've just proven illiteracy" makes no sense at all |
| 12:04.42 | haste | mikma: I have the issue that people post something in the channel while I move my hands down there to click :P |
| 12:04.49 | airtonix | you'll get over it |
| 12:05.07 | Cide | maybe if you explain yourself |
| 12:05.15 | mikma | haste: xterm in tablet halts the actions when i paint something with stylus |
| 12:05.18 | airtonix | haste, you move your hands down where to click ? |
| 12:05.51 | haste | airtonix: down to the buttons under the touchpad |
| 12:06.01 | airtonix | haste, sounds kinky |
| 12:06.10 | haste | not really, but sure! |
| 12:06.17 | *** join/#wowuidev harl (harl@dslb-088-077-199-165.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:06.54 | airtonix | Cide, ok. i think what i'm trying to say is that you excel at taking things out of context. |
| 12:06.57 | harl | hi |
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| 12:07.39 | Cide | and there's a deep connection between that and illiteracy |
| 12:07.41 | Cide | I feel enlightened |
| 12:07.50 | Cide | oh wait that still makes no sense at all |
| 12:08.03 | Cide | I didn't take anything out of context |
| 12:08.11 | Cide | I said the provided screensot is ugly |
| 12:08.20 | Cide | so ugly I vomited in my mouth, in fact |
| 12:08.39 | Cide | someone needs to learn how to read, god |
| 12:08.46 | Fisker | Cide that's a lessono for you |
| 12:08.50 | Fisker | lesson* |
| 12:08.52 | Fisker | haste bet on duke |
| 12:08.57 | Cide | so did I, remember? |
| 12:13.51 | DJJeff | new updated colorfull ui :) |
| 12:13.52 | DJJeff | http://i50.tinypic.com/10wpnx3.jpg |
| 12:14.15 | DJJeff | I am swimming in heaven right now |
| 12:14.20 | haste | stuff looks big |
| 12:14.33 | DJJeff | whats your screen resolution? |
| 12:14.48 | DJJeff | this should look good @ 1920 x 1080 |
| 12:14.50 | haste | 1680x1050 |
| 12:14.55 | haste | stuff still looks big |
| 12:15.42 | DJJeff | I say go big (1080p) or go home :) |
| 12:15.55 | DJJeff | screen was only $200 :) |
| 12:16.00 | Cide | I say go 0.64 or go home |
| 12:16.04 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.15 | DJJeff | whats 0.64 ? |
| 12:16.18 | haste | UIScale |
| 12:16.28 | DJJeff | ohhhh |
| 12:16.29 | airtonix | ^ |
| 12:16.31 | DJJeff | I get it |
| 12:16.40 | DJJeff | my eyesight is very poor |
| 12:16.45 | DJJeff | I need big |
| 12:16.59 | haste | I'll probably buy two new screens after the summer |
| 12:17.06 | haste | depending on how much cash I still have |
| 12:17.10 | Cide | then why go for 1080p? |
| 12:17.23 | DJJeff | High Def baby :) |
| 12:17.23 | Cide | it's not like it's all sharp anyway |
| 12:17.28 | DJJeff | 16:9 |
| 12:17.35 | haste | needs 16:10! |
| 12:17.47 | DJJeff | ohhh |
| 12:17.51 | Cide | if your eyesight is poor you could get about with 480x270 |
| 12:18.02 | airtonix | DJJeff, do you have two dedicated buttons on your bars for main hand weapons ? |
| 12:18.21 | DJJeff | im not melee |
| 12:18.24 | DJJeff | im ranged |
| 12:18.29 | DJJeff | frost caster |
| 12:18.32 | airtonix | and a button for each of your mounts ? |
| 12:18.53 | Cide | he's got camp fire on his bar |
| 12:19.01 | Cide | it's not like he's button capped |
| 12:19.02 | airtonix | i have a camp fire on your bar |
| 12:19.08 | DJJeff | if you see...... |
| 12:19.11 | DJJeff | look close |
| 12:19.17 | DJJeff | there is a horde lance |
| 12:19.21 | DJJeff | for ToC |
| 12:19.35 | DJJeff | I like to switch back and forth for lance and wep |
| 12:19.35 | airtonix | nope |
| 12:19.36 | olafski | I think the fact that he included gearscore in this screenshot tells us a lot.. if not enough |
| 12:19.40 | haste | I have my fire on my dog! |
| 12:19.43 | airtonix | loooool |
| 12:20.02 | DJJeff | I spend alot of time at argent turnament grounds |
| 12:20.05 | Cide | yes, I suppose so |
| 12:20.06 | DJJeff | doing jousting |
| 12:20.24 | olafski | even has the magic broom on the action bar! |
| 12:20.28 | DJJeff | I like to switch back and forth without opening up my bags |
| 12:20.33 | airtonix | ok so would you like to use less space on the bars ? |
| 12:21.04 | DJJeff | I really dont mind having 3 bars |
| 12:21.08 | olafski | could integrate the reputation bar with xperl and save another 15px at the bottom of the screen |
| 12:21.09 | DJJeff | no biggy |
| 12:21.14 | olafski | more like 30px in this UI I guess |
| 12:21.17 | airtonix | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info11607-Select.html |
| 12:22.15 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmm that select mod looks nice |
| 12:22.25 | DJJeff | but I only use my mammoth and drake anyways |
| 12:22.27 | DJJeff | so IDC |
| 12:23.38 | airtonix | use it for portals, mounts, weapon sets |
| 12:23.51 | airtonix | you can choose gear sets via macro i think |
| 12:23.58 | DJJeff | portals I use fubar at the top :) |
| 12:24.03 | airtonix | lol fubar |
| 12:24.04 | DJJeff | right click tooltip |
| 12:24.08 | airtonix | loooooool |
| 12:24.16 | DJJeff | did you not see I use fubar |
| 12:24.20 | airtonix | fubar is like dos 5.2 |
| 12:24.36 | DJJeff | titan panel is not much newer |
| 12:24.45 | airtonix | titan panel is even worse |
| 12:24.46 | cbreak | Stupid rep grinding crap |
| 12:25.02 | cbreak | why the hell does blizzard think that I have to grind rep with my own guild? |
| 12:25.04 | cbreak | what the hell |
| 12:25.09 | airtonix | that titan panel looks like a myspace page |
| 12:25.26 | airtonix | do you need half of that stuff there ? |
| 12:25.49 | DJJeff | its my information highway |
| 12:25.54 | DJJeff | it saves time for me |
| 12:26.02 | DJJeff | either click it or hover over it |
| 12:27.23 | olafski | cbreak: well, it does seem to progress naturally as opposed to doing stuff you wouldn't do otherwise |
| 12:27.57 | olafski | it's a good solution I think to solve the problem they pose |
| 12:28.05 | airtonix | DJJeff, well i think you could remove some of it or at least just turn the text labels off for some of them |
| 12:28.20 | cbreak | that you have to grind rep after joining a guild before being a member? |
| 12:28.39 | olafski | yeah |
| 12:28.41 | airtonix | DJJeff, a good font would be good too |
| 12:28.52 | olafski | airtonix: and removing those ugly textures from his unitframes ;p |
| 12:29.04 | airtonix | yeah well |
| 12:29.08 | DJJeff | I could yes :) |
| 12:29.11 | olafski | oh right I wasn't allowed to phrase it like that |
| 12:29.19 | olafski | I meant: airtonix: and he could use a nicer texture for his unitframes |
| 12:29.24 | airtonix | an appropriate texture to suit the size of the element its trying to accomadate |
| 12:29.30 | airtonix | or better unitframes |
| 12:32.53 | DJJeff | some people make me laugh ..... "have no gold too many alts to feed" (then stop feeding them?) |
| 12:33.26 | DJJeff | he asked me for 6k gold cause I have tundra mammoth |
| 12:35.30 | airtonix | DJJeff, i tried out all kinds of textures, even ones i made myself. |
| 12:35.43 | airtonix | ended up that i liked black instead |
| 12:36.06 | olafski | I used viewports for ages then decided I didn't like them at all |
| 12:36.17 | olafski | as for unit frames I prefer just plain textures.. i.e. just one color |
| 12:36.39 | airtonix | same |
| 12:37.02 | airtonix | becomes a clusterfuck of colours otherwise |
| 12:37.21 | airtonix | as if its not already with the class colouring |
| 12:37.29 | olafski | http://130.89.168.156/temp/screenshots/wow-wotlk/druidski_ui.jpg :) |
| 12:38.47 | airtonix | is that rbutton ? |
| 12:38.58 | DJJeff | how comw you couldnt use tinypic.com instead of exposing your ip |
| 12:39.08 | olafski | "couldn't" or "didn't"? |
| 12:39.20 | DJJeff | both* |
| 12:39.22 | DJJeff | IDC |
| 12:39.24 | olafski | not sure airtonix, I cancelled by sub a few months back.. don't think it is though |
| 12:39.28 | DJJeff | your UI has nothing on it |
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| 12:39.31 | olafski | indeed |
| 12:39.33 | olafski | nothing I don't need |
| 12:39.40 | olafski | and why would I use tinypic if I can just use this instead |
| 12:40.41 | Cide | worrying about exposing your ip is so 1995 |
| 12:40.42 | DJJeff | lol @ http://130.89.168.156/ |
| 12:40.43 | olafski | more things show up in combat.. there's a target and targettarget frame next to my unitframe, chat is bottom left, damage/threat meters bottom right |
| 12:40.50 | olafski | cide: LOL I was about to make a remark about 1995 :) |
| 12:40.56 | DJJeff | Please do not be randomly browsing this ;) |
| 12:41.03 | Cide | here's mine: 81.26.239.34 |
| 12:41.04 | olafski | literally chose that year but I couldn't find a proper way to word it |
| 12:41.13 | olafski | djjeff: good job, you haxed me |
| 12:41.23 | DJJeff | I didnt hax you |
| 12:41.25 | olafski | indeed |
| 12:41.31 | DJJeff | I just went up a few folders :) |
| 12:41.32 | airtonix | https://photos-1.dropbox.com/i/o/I63kL_lr2dp3vdr86gRZ0K0xIAaim5BInwUkNOKfIAk/180039/1276520400/2651936 |
| 12:41.42 | olafski | I used to have a less friendly message there but as I use this for "official" stuff too I figured it would not be proper |
| 12:42.04 | Arrowmaster | i just disable directory indexing then it just throws a 403 on the root |
| 12:42.29 | olafski | yeah.. could do but I use directory indexing at times =( |
| 12:42.36 | olafski | I probably should do that anyway |
| 12:42.51 | olafski | made my own index script for the temp folder, but it's not exposed unless you know the url either |
| 12:43.01 | Arrowmaster | i just drop the disable in an .htaccess in the root then reenable it using an .htaccess in subdirectories |
| 12:43.19 | olafski | mm good point :P |
| 12:43.58 | airtonix | i really loved dash |
| 12:44.19 | olafski | so djjeff, what is actually "missing" from my UI? |
| 12:44.39 | olafski | (also party / raid frames show up at top left if I'm in such a group ;)) |
| 12:45.26 | airtonix | ok so you can all utter foul language about my UI here it is |
| 12:45.29 | airtonix | https://photos-1.dropbox.com/i/o/xnOegHSn4xPHOmjBBN7D__Zir-Un7SrwR5B5knk-oa4/180039/1276520400/aaa1928 |
| 12:45.39 | olafski | zomg why don't you expose your IP!?!?!? |
| 12:45.53 | olafski | not much to comment.. I think the font is horrible but it's up to you :P |
| 12:46.04 | Arrowmaster | it is still dangerous of you piss of the wrong 12 year olds |
| 12:46.27 | olafski | so they can ddos me? :s |
| 12:46.29 | airtonix | yeah i love pixel fonts.. |
| 12:46.45 | airtonix | cept for the chat |
| 12:47.08 | airtonix | but more importantly, this is what the screen looks like when i press the 'toggle dash layer' hotkey : |
| 12:47.09 | airtonix | https://photos-3.dropbox.com/i/o/S7kjTCFHklX8RaSWZcrnwRBNkaaIFHg-WAcXjMxPVB8/180039/1276520400/26b1992 |
| 12:49.07 | Cide | ok |
| 12:49.11 | Cide | who is Trismegistos |
| 12:49.20 | Cide | and what's his sexual preference? |
| 12:49.24 | Cide | if it's a she then nvm |
| 12:49.43 | olafski | airtonix: what's rbutton btw? =) |
| 12:50.14 | airtonix | i thought it was a uber lightwieght actionbar mod |
| 12:50.38 | olafski | oh.. it's bartender |
| 12:50.52 | airtonix | ractionbarstyler |
| 12:50.54 | olafski | with that skinning thing |
| 12:52.00 | airtonix | sorry i meant http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10225-nMainbar.html |
| 12:53.41 | Fisker | airtonix |
| 12:53.46 | Fisker | hello |
| 12:53.59 | airtonix | i see you |
| 12:54.06 | airtonix | where are my baboons |
| 12:54.35 | Fisker | i killed all of them |
| 13:03.12 | DJJeff | I find the raid browser very lame.... looking thru so many empty raids... is there an addon that scans the raid browser and tells you when people are found? |
| 13:05.01 | bryno | sounds like something you can try making |
| 13:05.11 | DJJeff | (sigh) |
| 13:08.16 | bryno | no? |
| 13:09.59 | DJJeff | ill give it a shot |
| 13:10.06 | DJJeff | if there are none that exist already |
| 13:16.59 | DJJeff | oooooooooooo |
| 13:17.04 | DJJeff | love the new WIM SKIN |
| 13:17.05 | DJJeff | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/wim-inamal-skin.aspx |
| 13:19.24 | Cide | so high noise to signal in here |
| 13:19.25 | Cide | bbl |
| 13:20.55 | DJJeff | whats noise to signal ? |
| 13:21.37 | olafski | noise is useless stuff, signal is useful stuff |
| 13:23.15 | DJJeff | ah :) |
| 13:30.49 | DJJeff | sits so nicely over blizz chat |
| 13:30.53 | DJJeff | http://i45.tinypic.com/20kofn5.jpg |
| 13:31.38 | DJJeff | I did make my thingy more greyish |
| 13:31.44 | DJJeff | it does look nicer yes |
| 13:32.24 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.27 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.31 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.57 | airtonix | I'm afraid fisker |
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| 13:33.07 | airtonix | that i'll have to report you to the RSPCA |
| 13:33.38 | laeg | is there anywhere online trustworthy to buy an eu game card using paypal? blizzard don't offer this payment method to european users |
| 13:36.24 | cbreak | I thought I heard that paypal offers fake credit card numbers for one-time use to pay from pay pall |
| 13:36.40 | cbreak | although, I have heard a lot of bad things about paypal, I would not recommend using it |
| 13:36.42 | laeg | hmmm |
| 13:37.06 | laeg | i have had no bad experience with them |
| 13:37.08 | cbreak | they've repeatedly closed accounts and withheld the funds for ages |
| 13:37.46 | laeg | source? |
| 13:37.58 | cbreak | was on slashdot last year or so |
| 13:38.16 | cbreak | so the topic was donations for open source projects |
| 13:38.27 | cbreak | but there were probably many more I never heard from |
| 13:38.48 | olafski | "seeking tanks and heals for fast naxx10 in preparation for [Herald of the Titans]" eh..? |
| 13:39.35 | Stan_ | farming low itemlvl gear? |
| 13:41.25 | foxlit | in naxx10? |
| 13:41.35 | foxlit | MADNESS. |
| 13:46.28 | olafski | oh.. doh me :( |
| 13:46.38 | olafski | read the achievement by skimming "algalon" and assuming it was just to kill him |
| 13:47.08 | nevcairiel | cant you do naxx25 and uld10 for that? |
| 13:47.12 | nevcairiel | naxx10 seems really low |
| 13:47.40 | foxlit | you can even du ulduar25 |
| 13:47.51 | foxlit | hm, u isn't even that close to o. |
| 13:48.11 | airtonix | u? o ? |
| 13:48.12 | nevcairiel | herald of the titans is teh 10 man |
| 13:48.16 | airtonix | the |
| 13:48.20 | airtonix | wtf |
| 13:48.25 | airtonix | xchat autocorrected me |
| 13:48.36 | nevcairiel | but i guess since hardmode 10man drops 226 gear |
| 13:48.41 | nevcairiel | you can get non-weapons from 225 |
| 13:48.43 | nevcairiel | eh |
| 13:48.44 | nevcairiel | 25 |
| 13:49.55 | DJJeff | hrmmm in xperl I can move the party frame how come I cant move the raid frames |
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| 13:50.20 | foxlit | "Weapons must be ilevel 232 or lower. Everything else must be ilevel 226 or lower." is what the comments claim |
| 13:51.03 | nevcairiel | but you cant get any 232 in 10man ulduar |
| 13:51.05 | nevcairiel | hard or otherwise |
| 13:51.14 | nevcairiel | or does algalon himself drop something like that? |
| 13:51.19 | nevcairiel | i guess he could .. oh well |
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| 13:52.17 | Wobin | weapons 232 |
| 13:52.49 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/zone=4273#drops:mode=normal10:0-3+1 |
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| 13:54.40 | Mr_Rabies | hey wobin, does Reverse Engineer still work with 3.3? |
| 13:54.43 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:55.00 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:55.10 | Wobin | I still use it all the time =) |
| 13:55.48 | Mr_Rabies | cool, i used to use it back before i stopped playing, and i miss the functionality now that i'm back, glad to see it's still working :D |
| 14:08.34 | Kraps | "Guild leveling will remain in Cataclysm, but guild talents and currency have been scrapped. Happily, that doesn't mean that rewards and achievements have gone with them." /rage |
| 14:13.16 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/blog=159586 |
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| 14:17.05 | foxlit | Interrupt– |
| 14:17.10 | foxlit | — |
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| 14:25.39 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/06/13/cataclysm-press-event-new-expansion-details/#continued |
| 14:25.50 | Kraps | what press event? |
| 14:26.08 | Kraps | Patch of the Titans has been scrapped and will not be implemented. |
| 14:26.14 | Kraps | DAMMIT |
| 14:27.05 | airtonix | no need to keep playing then |
| 14:27.12 | airtonix | time to find a new game |
| 14:27.17 | airtonix | may i suggest one |
| 14:27.58 | airtonix | no? |
| 14:28.05 | airtonix | ok i'll suggest one anyway |
| 14:28.06 | airtonix | http://www.freetetris.org/ |
| 14:29.45 | Kraps | airtonix: ... |
| 14:30.38 | airtonix | i KNEW you'd love it |
| 14:30.43 | Kraps | Raid IDs will not be as strict as they are now. If your raid dead-ends but you find another raid that has killed the same bosses, you can leave your ID and join theirs. |
| 14:30.45 | Kraps | hmm |
| 14:30.52 | Kraps | HMMMMMMMMMM |
| 14:30.58 | airtonix | lool |
| 14:31.25 | Fisker | The problem is finding a raid that isn't a deadend then :P |
| 14:31.48 | Fisker | Though i guess it'll be a lot more popular to find raids for dead-end raids now though |
| 14:32.12 | Fisker | But why not just make people ineligible for loot and gold until they reach a boss they're not locked for? |
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| 14:33.28 | airtonix | i reckon you should be ineligible for loot if your gear score is lower than fiskers |
| 14:34.04 | airtonix | or if you're fisker |
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| 14:41.03 | Kraps | Raid leaders will be able to split an ongoing 25-man raid into up to three 10-man raids. Those 10-man raids will be able to continue from that point on, with bosses already down. |
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| 14:45.34 | Fisker | didn't they say they scrapped that idea+ |
| 14:45.35 | Fisker | ? |
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| 14:46.06 | cbreak | they seem to have reintroduced it then |
| 14:46.45 | Fisker | cbreak |
| 14:46.53 | Fisker | you, your son, and his dog, get in here now |
| 14:47.04 | Fisker | oh |
| 14:47.08 | Fisker | it was the other way around |
| 14:47.13 | Fisker | So far it looks like it won't be possible to merge 10-man raids into 25-man raids, for obvious reasons. |
| 14:47.17 | Fisker | what is obvious btw? |
| 14:47.24 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 14:48.39 | Fisker | EXPLAIN |
| 14:49.00 | Fisker | EXTERMINATE |
| 14:49.44 | Fisker | LOL |
| 14:49.54 | olafski | read that post on wowhead |
| 14:49.57 | olafski | it explains most of the decisions |
| 14:50.06 | Fisker | Blizzard is not allowing players to "upshift". They explained that they felt this would cause a lot of pressure on guild to pull some really unpleasant maneuvers—for instance, stripping out the bottom 15 players to do some particularly difficult encounter, and then inviting them all back in for trash. They figured the legitimate use-cases for upshifting a raid were much more rare. |
| 14:50.13 | Fisker | Why the fuck would i raid 25-man trash |
| 14:50.15 | Fisker | HERP DERP DERP DERP |
| 14:50.44 | Fisker | drools a bit |
| 14:51.36 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/blog=159662#. |
| 14:52.14 | Fisker | fuckin' magnets Kraps |
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| 15:02.16 | Kraps | Heroic versions of classic instances might not be ready for the release of Cataclysm and will be shipped in content patch instead. |
| 15:02.20 | Kraps | noooooooo |
| 15:04.09 | olafski | "hi guys we're going to do EVERYTHING you may ever want" |
| 15:04.17 | olafski | "oh sorry we can't do everything, instead we'll just do one thing ok?" |
| 15:05.14 | Kraps | olafski: Cata will kill wow |
| 15:05.18 | cbreak | no |
| 15:05.24 | cbreak | wow is more dead than ever already |
| 15:05.31 | Kraps | lol |
| 15:05.32 | cbreak | cata will revive it for a short time at least |
| 15:05.45 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 15:05.46 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 15:11.03 | Kraps | 10-player raids in Wrath of the Lich King were deliberately easier because that was the goal of it at the time. That is not the case for Cataclysm. |
| 15:11.09 | Kraps | ^ funny |
| 15:12.26 | cbreak | I am somehow not very enthusiastic logging in into wow, even with cataclysm |
| 15:12.38 | cbreak | I want to play sc2 though. it's fresh and new :) |
| 15:13.47 | Kraps | cbreak: You WILL be swept up in the hype. You WILL be assimilated. |
| 15:13.52 | Maldivia | I call your sc2 and raise you a D3 :) |
| 15:14.02 | cbreak | D3 beta hasn't started |
| 15:14.09 | cbreak | I'll get excited about it when I get to play it :) |
| 15:14.28 | airtonix | show of hands |
| 15:14.32 | airtonix | who still plays wow |
| 15:14.36 | cbreak | I do |
| 15:14.47 | cbreak | I do 3 daily quests a day and some AH stuff |
| 15:14.48 | airtonix | we have one... |
| 15:14.52 | airtonix | one person |
| 15:14.53 | cbreak | and the occasionall 10 man |
| 15:15.04 | cbreak | if my 25 man raiding guild gets enough online who are interested in that |
| 15:15.06 | airtonix | dear blizzard, ... |
| 15:15.11 | cbreak | which is like once a week if at all |
| 15:15.13 | Kraps | i'm gearing my priest |
| 15:15.20 | Kraps | kinda |
| 15:15.32 | airtonix | dear blizzard, you have at least two people who play your online game |
| 15:15.32 | Kraps | trying to do raids |
| 15:15.41 | Maldivia | I log onto live once or twice a week at the moment, not that much going on there :P |
| 15:15.44 | airtonix | fisker doesnt count |
| 15:15.58 | Fisker | i will fuck you up airtonix |
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| 15:16.07 | Kraps | Twin Peaks will NOT be replacing Warsong Gulch like some players were expecting it to. |
| 15:16.10 | Kraps | noooooooooo |
| 15:16.24 | Kraps | whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 15:17.39 | foxlit | why not? |
| 15:18.08 | foxlit | The question is whether you'll be able to queue for TP/WG separately |
| 15:18.23 | foxlit | Or whether they'll be combined into a "Capture the Flag" queue that just selects a different map. |
| 15:18.39 | Kraps | foxlit: what about Random BGs? |
| 15:19.06 | foxlit | Presumably will be part of the pool. |
| 15:19.16 | Kraps | noooooooooo |
| 15:19.42 | foxlit | aw, come on, WSG isn't bad. |
| 15:20.00 | Kraps | sadly, it is |
| 15:20.09 | foxlit | It could be Eots. |
| 15:20.14 | cbreak | you know what's bad? |
| 15:20.17 | foxlit | Or Ioc. |
| 15:20.19 | cbreak | PvP is bad. |
| 15:20.45 | Kraps | i love EotS |
| 15:20.48 | Kraps | so there |
| 15:21.42 | foxlit | clearly a shaman. |
| 15:21.49 | Kraps | no |
| 15:22.39 | Kraps | not a boomkin either |
| 15:23.33 | foxlit | I thought the next logical progression was fire mage, not boomkin |
| 15:23.45 | Kraps | oh |
| 15:24.09 | Kraps | not a fire mage either |
| 15:25.14 | Kraps | hey foxlit |
| 15:25.42 | Kraps | i love EotS |
| 15:26.00 | Kraps | whatcha gonna do 'bout it? |
| 15:26.01 | foxlit | And hate WSG. |
| 15:26.06 | foxlit | An exceedingly odd preference. |
| 15:27.06 | foxlit | Kraps: whatcha gonna do 'bout it? << Laugh at you when I see you in WSG, probably :) |
| 15:27.17 | Kraps | yeah... |
| 15:28.23 | Kraps | people are still going on about new dances/dance studios |
| 15:28.27 | Kraps | WTF |
| 15:30.23 | theorbtwo | Well, presumably there will be new dances ... for the new races. |
| 15:39.28 | Kraps | theorbtwo: you being a smartass? |
| 15:39.50 | Kraps | glares |
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| 15:42.13 | theorbtwo | Slightly. |
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| 15:49.35 | Wobin | votes for the Worgen dance to be Thriller |
| 16:03.26 | Trela | That would be awesome. |
| 16:08.51 | olafski | I will resub when cata comes |
| 16:08.59 | olafski | guess I'll have to join a guild too =( |
| 16:09.18 | olafski | I wonder if there are guilds with people who aren't douches but that don't raid |
| 16:09.41 | olafski | maybe I can ask my gf's guild if I can join as social member even though they don't do those.. my contribution to the guild xp would help I guess =) |
| 16:10.45 | Trela | olafski: Join a role playing server. Tons of social guilds! |
| 16:12.29 | Shirik | so like |
| 16:12.30 | Shirik | I'm curious |
| 16:12.35 | Shirik | I don't believe in gearscore at all |
| 16:12.41 | Shirik | but what is a typical score, etc. |
| 16:12.55 | nevcairiel | on what level? |
| 16:13.04 | Shirik | 80 |
| 16:13.10 | nevcairiel | 6k basically means you're done with icc25 non-hard |
| 16:13.18 | nevcairiel | extrapolate from that |
| 16:13.26 | Cide | can't extrapolate from one data point :P |
| 16:13.28 | foxlit | can't extrapolate from a single point |
| 16:13.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:13.37 | nevcairiel | Shirik can, he is smart |
| 16:13.40 | nevcairiel | or claims so! |
| 16:13.42 | cbreak | there's a strong gearscore inflation |
| 16:13.47 | Shirik | I'm curious |
| 16:13.50 | Shirik | I'm wearing a 219 item |
| 16:13.52 | cbreak | in the early days, ilevel 213 gear was more than enough to do Nax |
| 16:13.52 | Shirik | a single 219 item |
| 16:13.57 | cbreak | these days, it's not even close |
| 16:14.00 | nevcairiel | Shirik: wtfismygearscore.com |
| 16:14.02 | Shirik | does this severely affect it? |
| 16:14.05 | Shirik | yes I know |
| 16:14.11 | foxlit | unlikely |
| 16:14.18 | Cide | I thought it just summed the individual pieces up |
| 16:14.19 | Cide | ? |
| 16:14.24 | nevcairiel | weapons scale the score alot more |
| 16:14.31 | Shirik | I wasn't sure if it was exponential or anything |
| 16:14.32 | foxlit | I think the general formula is something like \sum itemlevel * slotfactor |
| 16:14.32 | cbreak | gearscore is quite stupid |
| 16:14.39 | Shirik | I agree |
| 16:14.42 | Shirik | I was just curious |
| 16:14.48 | cbreak | it values crappy items higher than good items if the crappy items have a higher ilevel |
| 16:14.53 | Cide | anything else would be retarded |
| 16:15.08 | Cide | given that the increase in usefulness is additive |
| 16:15.14 | cbreak | it's not |
| 16:15.18 | Cide | yes it is |
| 16:15.25 | cbreak | you lose the benefit of the item you replace |
| 16:15.31 | Cide | what? |
| 16:15.40 | Cide | you don't become 10x better from an item with 2x the stats |
| 16:15.46 | Cide | s/better/more useful/ |
| 16:15.48 | cbreak | depends on synergies |
| 16:15.59 | cbreak | sometimes you become worse with an item that has more stats |
| 16:16.08 | Cide | that has nothing to do with additive usefulness |
| 16:16.17 | Cide | that has to do with different stats distributions |
| 16:16.18 | airtonix | missing essential threshold stats |
| 16:16.28 | Cide | there are no essential thresholds |
| 16:16.39 | airtonix | you're an essential threshold |
| 16:16.42 | cbreak | because the item you get has more stats, but is worse than the item you replace |
| 16:16.59 | Cide | that still has to do with stat distributions |
| 16:17.01 | Cide | nothing else |
| 16:17.07 | cbreak | it's not aditive |
| 16:17.10 | Cide | yes it is |
| 16:17.18 | Cide | you don't understand the meaning |
| 16:17.22 | cbreak | it's an optimisation problem |
| 16:17.23 | airtonix | explain |
| 16:17.46 | cbreak | the usefullness of an item depends on the other items you have |
| 16:18.08 | Cide | if you gain x stats, you become y more useful for some arbitrary y |
| 16:18.14 | cbreak | no |
| 16:18.19 | Cide | what? |
| 16:18.28 | Cide | I haven't defined a value for y |
| 16:18.29 | cbreak | you don't get it? |
| 16:18.34 | Cide | you literally have no way to contradict that |
| 16:18.40 | cbreak | sure I do |
| 16:18.42 | Cide | y could be negative |
| 16:18.47 | cbreak | the question is if you can understand it |
| 16:18.53 | cbreak | stats are not independent variables |
| 16:18.55 | Cide | wow you are retarded |
| 16:19.18 | cbreak | if you have more haste, the dps contribution of spell damage and crit increases and it becomes more valuable relative to haste |
| 16:19.26 | cbreak | if you have enough hit, the value of hit drops to 0 |
| 16:19.30 | Cide | I have said nothing about that |
| 16:19.33 | cbreak | the value of hit is not constant |
| 16:19.36 | Cide | I have said nothing about that |
| 16:19.39 | cbreak | you did |
| 16:19.48 | Cide | I never said x and y are constant or independent of other stats |
| 16:19.52 | Cide | you assumed that |
| 16:19.56 | Kraps | hey |
| 16:19.57 | cbreak | no, you said that |
| 16:20.01 | Cide | quote me |
| 16:20.05 | cbreak | you said "Cide: if you gain x stats, you become y more useful for some arbitrary y" |
| 16:20.08 | Kraps | EJ is thataway -----> |
| 16:20.20 | Cide | arbitrary, possibly depending on x |
| 16:20.22 | tem | lol, cbreak. you're kind of dumb, arent you? |
| 16:20.29 | cbreak | no. |
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| 16:20.47 | Cide | if I have a set of stats, and then I gain a subset of stats, there's clearly a way to define how much more useful I become as a result |
| 16:21.00 | Cide | that's what it says above |
| 16:21.09 | Cide | I have never defined how much, or how, or even what the stats are |
| 16:21.12 | Cide | but there's clearly a mapping |
| 16:21.20 | cbreak | you said it's an aditive mapping. |
| 16:21.38 | Cide | yes |
| 16:22.03 | Cide | which is true for pretty much everything besides when you happen to go over the hit threshold |
| 16:22.09 | Cide | but is true before that and after that |
| 16:22.09 | cbreak | additive meaning linear combination of other factors |
| 16:22.52 | foxlit | I think the point is that it doesn't matter whether you get your +42 Awesomeness from your cloak or chest slots. |
| 16:23.04 | Cide | additive means that f(x + y) = f(x) + f(y) |
| 16:23.10 | Cide | linear is something else and involves linear combinations |
| 16:23.14 | Cide | the two are not the same |
| 16:23.30 | Cide | linear in this case would mean that there are no intra-stat fluctuations |
| 16:23.32 | Cide | which is incorrect |
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| 16:24.17 | Fisker | i like you Cide |
| 16:24.24 | Wella | Hey, does anyone know an addon that stops the bag frames from overlapping the minimap? I remember one but I just cannot remember what it was called. |
| 16:24.26 | airtonix | no |
| 16:24.36 | airtonix | shakedown? |
| 16:24.36 | Cide | what I was going to say that if you gain 2x stats (instead of x stats), you become 2y more useful (instead of y more useful) |
| 16:25.05 | Cide | other than for the obvious exception(s) of when you pass the hit threshold (or 100% crit or what have you) |
| 16:25.19 | Wella | Hm not actually tried that airtonix, thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 16:25.25 | cbreak | or the haste cap, or the other nonlinearities... |
| 16:25.27 | airtonix | just a guess |
| 16:25.40 | Wella | Kay |
| 16:25.47 | cbreak | and procs make everything even harder to compare |
| 16:25.53 | Cide | cbreak, what other nonlinearities? |
| 16:25.55 | foxlit | Or even the lunacy of comparing "usefulness" |
| 16:26.11 | Cide | foxlit, naturally, that's why gearscore is useless (ha) |
| 16:26.19 | foxlit | or defining what 2x means when x is a set. |
| 16:26.20 | cbreak | things that have a chance on crit for example |
| 16:26.21 | airtonix | yes somehow cide just made gearscore seem ok |
| 16:27.02 | Cide | foxlit, that's not hard to define in this context since it's a finite set of only numbers |
| 16:27.25 | Cide | my implicit definition was set([2*x for x in some_set]) |
| 16:27.41 | foxlit | Which is kind of lame for your conclusion |
| 16:27.47 | Cide | why? |
| 16:28.11 | Cide | I only argued that an exponential gearscore algorithm would be retarded |
| 16:28.29 | foxlit | It's the "you become 2y more useful" |
| 16:28.31 | foxlit | part |
| 16:28.46 | Cide | that's my hypothesis |
| 16:28.48 | cbreak | almost any kind of gearscore algorithm would be retarded... |
| 16:29.11 | cbreak | the only value gear has for a dps character is dps increase |
| 16:29.19 | foxlit | Ignoring everything and setting usefulness = dps, you're certain to more than double it by doubling *all* your stats. |
| 16:29.23 | Cide | that's stretching it don't you think? |
| 16:29.24 | cbreak | calculating that is not as easy as just adding up stat changes |
| 16:29.36 | Jamash | foxlit fails math |
| 16:29.36 | Wella | Airtonix, I'm getting an error with NShakedown - "Message: Interface\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua:365: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'cursorOffset' (a nil value)" |
| 16:29.38 | Cide | you gain survivability, resistance |
| 16:29.55 | Cide | foxlit, I'm not so sure about that |
| 16:30.04 | Cide | could be true though |
| 16:30.17 | cbreak | but what use is survivability if you don't usually die? |
| 16:30.26 | Cide | who says you don't usually die? |
| 16:30.33 | cbreak | I don't usually die. |
| 16:30.37 | airtonix | Wella, i haven't played wow for a year. |
| 16:30.45 | cbreak | I extrapolated to other dps players |
| 16:30.47 | Cide | you're using personal data on a neutral problem |
| 16:30.52 | Wella | Rofl |
| 16:30.56 | Wella | no prob then |
| 16:30.57 | airtonix | i know right? |
| 16:30.58 | Cide | regardless |
| 16:31.05 | Wella | Does anyone else know where the error is coming from then? |
| 16:31.08 | cbreak | do you expect dps palyers to regularly die during fights? |
| 16:31.09 | Cide | just set stamina = 0 and you're fine |
| 16:31.10 | Wella | Message: Interface\FrameXML\UIPanelTemplates.lua:365: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'cursorOffset' (a nil value) |
| 16:31.16 | Cide | in cataclysm I do |
| 16:31.28 | airtonix | Wella, but you should explain your situation regarding "bag frame overlapping minimap" in a bit more depth |
| 16:31.33 | Wella | Well |
| 16:31.48 | Cide | if they manage to realize their visions |
| 16:31.53 | Wella | I just remember a particular addon which gave me the option so that my bag frames would be sorted so that they don't overlap the minimap |
| 16:31.54 | airtonix | Wella, i know that bagnon lets you choose the layer level it sits on |
| 16:32.09 | Wella | Meh I don't want a full bag addon but I might just end up using Combuctor again |
| 16:32.13 | Cide | anyway, I think there could be a useful algorithm for determining how good your gear is |
| 16:32.23 | Wella | Well, thanks air :) |
| 16:32.25 | airtonix | Wella, combuctor is the lite version of bagnon |
| 16:32.29 | Wella | Lol |
| 16:32.29 | cbreak | I think the only useful algorithm is something like rawr |
| 16:32.35 | Wella | I don't want all the features Bagnon has tbh |
| 16:32.35 | cbreak | that actually simulates the result of the gear |
| 16:32.36 | Cide | the problem with gearscore is that it has been changed to be all-encompassing how good the player is |
| 16:32.42 | Jamash | ^ |
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| 16:33.05 | Cide | and of course, item level has nothing to do with it, only stats |
| 16:33.07 | Wella | Being able to see different item tabs is enough for me, and I have Genie to sort my bags |
| 16:34.16 | cbreak | I consider survivability like hit or haste. Useful until you have enough, not useful after that. |
| 16:34.27 | Wella | Also lol @ Gearscore debate |
| 16:34.30 | olafski | trela: I don't really want to go that far.. preferrably stay on the same realm as my gf |
| 16:35.14 | Shirik | cbreak |
| 16:35.18 | Shirik | (09:14:48) (cbreak) it values crappy items higher than good items if the crappy items have a higher ilevel |
| 16:35.23 | Shirik | that's exactly my point |
| 16:35.30 | Shirik | I was just looking at some 264 trinkets to replace my 219 trinket |
| 16:35.39 | Shirik | and the 219 trinket easily beats out all others |
| 16:35.48 | Cide | easy |
| 16:35.53 | Kraps | Shirik: link |
| 16:35.59 | Cide | put it on before you reply to a pub raid whisper |
| 16:36.12 | Cide | and then replace it before entering combat |
| 16:36.16 | Jamash | there should be an API for lying to gearscore addons |
| 16:36.17 | Shirik | rofl |
| 16:36.22 | Shirik | Kraps: http://www.wowhead.com/item=45703 |
| 16:36.30 | foxlit | Meh, regen! |
| 16:36.35 | Shirik | I don't do random raids anyway so it's not a big dea |
| 16:36.35 | Shirik | l |
| 16:36.44 | Shirik | it's not just regen foxlit :) |
| 16:36.44 | Kraps | Shirik: what do you play? |
| 16:36.45 | Shirik | it's SP too |
| 16:36.49 | Shirik | holy priest |
| 16:36.55 | Kraps | ah |
| 16:37.00 | foxlit | oh noes, some percentage of 100 spirit? |
| 16:37.02 | Thunder_Child | then no Shirik, you fail |
| 16:37.05 | Shirik | no |
| 16:37.06 | Cide | I vote we should make "holy priest" a new cuss world |
| 16:37.07 | Shirik | you fail |
| 16:37.11 | Cide | with emphasis on priest |
| 16:37.15 | Cide | HOLY PRIEST |
| 16:37.19 | Jamash | no |
| 16:37.20 | Thunder_Child | there are any number of trinkets that are better than that |
| 16:37.23 | Jamash | that's holy PALADIN |
| 16:37.25 | Cide | s/world/word/ |
| 16:37.33 | Cide | holy priest sound so much better |
| 16:37.40 | Shirik | there's a difference between "trinkets that are better than that" and "trinkets I can immediately get that are better than that" |
| 16:37.50 | Shirik | the 264 trinkets that are immediately accessible are not |
| 16:37.55 | Kraps | tbh, all the Frost badge trinkets suck ass |
| 16:38.00 | foxlit | ... |
| 16:38.01 | Shirik | exactly |
| 16:38.04 | Shirik | well |
| 16:38.05 | Shirik | the ones for me at least |
| 16:38.06 | foxlit | The 264 trinket has more spell power. |
| 16:38.08 | Shirik | didn't look at the other |
| 16:38.12 | nevcairiel | the healer trinket isnt that bad |
| 16:38.13 | Shirik | so what |
| 16:38.16 | Cide | spirit of aquementas |
| 16:38.17 | Cide | go |
| 16:38.32 | foxlit | And spirit/mana reduction is basically useless. |
| 16:38.33 | Cide | oh that was an off-hand |
| 16:38.35 | Cide | weak |
| 16:38.37 | Shirik | disagree |
| 16:38.40 | airtonix | Fisker, do you like curry ? |
| 16:38.43 | Kraps | nevcairiel: its the best of the group and not even that good |
| 16:38.46 | Shirik | and see this is the problem I have with today's healers |
| 16:38.51 | Cide | Shirik is gearing up for cataclysm :) |
| 16:38.53 | Shirik | everyone's going "omg I have too much mana" |
| 16:38.57 | Shirik | and I'm sitting here like |
| 16:38.58 | airtonix | Fisker, or are you a blood sausage kind of guy ? |
| 16:39.00 | Shirik | "you're fucking healing wrong" |
| 16:39.05 | Cide | Shirik, rofl |
| 16:39.09 | nevcairiel | only paladongs sit around with 35k mana |
| 16:39.09 | Cide | I have a good scenario |
| 16:39.14 | Jamash | airtonix: ask fisker if he likes fish sticks |
| 16:39.17 | Thunder_Child | no Shirik, healers do not run out of mana |
| 16:39.18 | Cide | I had a guild mate |
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| 16:39.21 | nevcairiel | and honestly, i can blow out my mana if i want to |
| 16:39.24 | nevcairiel | but why would i |
| 16:39.28 | airtonix | Jamash, do you like re-processed lambs balls ? |
| 16:39.28 | Thunder_Child | also, priests are the wrost healers now :( |
| 16:39.33 | nevcairiel | i keep everyone alive this way too |
| 16:39.34 | Shirik | because any mana you have left at the end of the fight |
| 16:39.36 | Shirik | is ovehead |
| 16:39.36 | Cide | who argued that "a perfect fight is when I end the fight with full mana" |
| 16:39.37 | Jamash | airtonix: I'm a vegetarian |
| 16:39.40 | airtonix | :( |
| 16:39.46 | nevcairiel | Shirik: if everyone is alive, whats your point again? |
| 16:39.58 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: no |
| 16:39.59 | Shirik | then you're on too easy content |
| 16:40.02 | foxlit | Kind of an argument against regen, then? |
| 16:40.06 | Kraps | dics rules |
| 16:40.11 | foxlit | "You have mana at the end of the fight, stack less regen!" |
| 16:40.12 | Shirik | if everyone's alive, move on |
| 16:40.17 | Shirik | if not everyone's alive, you need to work harder |
| 16:40.23 | airtonix | Kraps, /highfive |
| 16:40.23 | Shirik | well |
| 16:40.29 | Shirik | except for the obvious case where failhunter |
| 16:40.32 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:40.33 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:40.36 | Cide | if you have that ideology then you're too scared of overhealing |
| 16:40.38 | Fisker | slapd |
| 16:40.49 | airtonix | fishstick ? |
| 16:40.52 | Cide | or being on the edge of letting people die stupidly |
| 16:40.56 | Shirik | A lot of people ARE scared of overhealing for some reason |
| 16:40.59 | Shirik | you know why |
| 16:40.59 | nevcairiel | usually even hard content doesnt end at healer mana these days |
| 16:41.01 | Shirik | I know why |
| 16:41.03 | Cide | a perfect fight is when you end up with 0% mana right as the fight ends |
| 16:41.04 | foxlit | In short, regen has a value when you're actually running out of mana. |
| 16:41.08 | Shirik | because overhealing shows up on recount |
| 16:41.09 | nevcairiel | usually its dps limits, or stupid people |
| 16:41.10 | Shirik | ending mana does not |
| 16:41.11 | airtonix | ^ |
| 16:41.13 | Fisker | i'm scared of your mom Shirik |
| 16:41.21 | foxlit | For what it's worth, I'm not even using mana cooldowns on the dot in most fights |
| 16:41.26 | airtonix | Shirik, recount overhealing is the gearscore of healers |
| 16:41.28 | nevcairiel | Shirik: sure it does, ending mana causes death, and a drop in healing |
| 16:41.35 | Cide | no |
| 16:41.43 | airtonix | Shirik, apparently |
| 16:41.46 | Cide | unless everyone is dead you are still able to heal for as much |
| 16:41.52 | airtonix | i know |
| 16:41.53 | Cide | in fact you heal for more if only one person is alive |
| 16:42.03 | Cide | given that you won't use as many hots |
| 16:42.08 | Cide | and direct heals have higher hps |
| 16:42.18 | Cide | maybe not for druids, I don't know |
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| 16:42.26 | nevcairiel | but if people died, you already lost |
| 16:42.30 | Cide | aye |
| 16:42.31 | Shirik | yup |
| 16:42.35 | Cide | and that's the argument against ending with full mana |
| 16:42.39 | cbreak | unless you have warlocks or druids |
| 16:42.40 | Cide | or ending with mana above 0% |
| 16:42.47 | Cide | because you clearly didn't do everything you could |
| 16:42.50 | airtonix | i made that ouf heal lines thing for me and my raidleader so he could see in real time how was healing how and correlate that with the recount healing data at the end to see where shit was up |
| 16:42.57 | airtonix | who* |
| 16:43.05 | cbreak | if no one dies, you could not have done more |
| 16:43.07 | cbreak | as healer |
| 16:43.10 | Cide | yes you could |
| 16:43.13 | nevcairiel | some death are not preventable with heals, but thats just stupid people then |
| 16:43.14 | Cide | it would ultimately be extraneous |
| 16:43.17 | Cide | but it would be safer |
| 16:43.21 | cbreak | how? giving birth during a boss fight? |
| 16:43.22 | Shirik | and btw |
| 16:43.23 | Shirik | cbreak |
| 16:43.25 | Cide | and safer is better |
| 16:43.25 | Shirik | that means one of two things |
| 16:43.29 | Shirik | either go to harder content |
| 16:43.30 | Shirik | or drop a healer |
| 16:43.33 | foxlit | You could stand there and cast PoH at people with full bars. |
| 16:43.38 | airtonix | Cide, i agree but its also boring |
| 16:43.42 | foxlit | On the off-chance that something should actually hit them. |
| 16:43.46 | Cide | or stop living on the edge |
| 16:43.53 | nevcairiel | i rather save some mana for an emergency, then to calculate my mana to end with 0% :P |
| 16:44.04 | Shirik | ok I didn't say 0% |
| 16:44.06 | Shirik | sure |
| 16:44.09 | Shirik | but when you end above 50% |
| 16:44.11 | Shirik | that's a problem |
| 16:44.19 | airtonix | is it ? |
| 16:44.22 | foxlit | You have weird problems :) |
| 16:44.23 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:44.26 | airtonix | why? |
| 16:44.27 | cbreak | it's nice during trash |
| 16:44.28 | Cide | I agree |
| 16:44.28 | nevcairiel | not if everyone is alive |
| 16:44.32 | cbreak | it's nice during easy bosses |
| 16:44.32 | Shirik | because it's overhead |
| 16:44.33 | Vangual | it's suboptimal |
| 16:44.39 | Shirik | If everyone's alive then you have too many healers |
| 16:44.42 | Shirik | you could have killed it faster |
| 16:44.45 | airtonix | explain how that would apply if you were naked on the toilet ? |
| 16:44.46 | foxlit | Not necessarily. |
| 16:44.53 | Cide | "if you manage to hit your deadlines, despite people working around the clock for 2 months, you're FINE" |
| 16:44.54 | Shirik | ...... what? |
| 16:44.55 | foxlit | It could be that you *need* the extra healers during key moments |
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| 16:44.56 | nevcairiel | Dropping healers because content is getting easier is one of those things that suck anyway |
| 16:44.58 | Cide | "if you manage to hit your deadlines, despite people working around the clock for 2 months, you're FINE" |
| 16:45.00 | Cide | ^ your reasoning |
| 16:45.01 | foxlit | Dropping them would kill you during those moments. |
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| 16:45.18 | Cide | just because the end result is good doesn't mean the way there is good |
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| 16:45.49 | airtonix | you're just upset because your not disco stu |
| 16:45.57 | Cide | disco? |
| 16:45.59 | Shirik | I have been of this opinion for quite a long time, and that was one of the things I looked for in recruits |
| 16:46.04 | Shirik | I don't care where he shows up on the healing charts |
| 16:46.13 | Shirik | I care (1) did he listen to instructions and (2) did he use his abilities effectively |
| 16:46.16 | Shirik | which includes using his mana |
| 16:46.21 | airtonix | you run healing charts ? |
| 16:46.26 | Cide | Shirik, it's not as useful of a metric in cataclysm sadly |
| 16:46.26 | Shirik | doesn't everyone |
| 16:46.26 | foxlit | to spam ineffective abilities, Shirik? |
| 16:46.30 | Shirik | everyone runs WoL these days |
| 16:46.39 | Shirik | foxlit |
| 16:46.40 | Cide | err |
| 16:46.42 | Cide | in wrath* |
| 16:46.46 | Shirik | I don't know about other classes, but priests can do things proactively |
| 16:46.48 | Jamash | Shirik thinks if you get to your destination with gas in your car you have a car that's too efficient |
| 16:46.49 | Cide | hopefully it will be more useful in cataclysm again |
| 16:47.00 | Shirik | no Jamash, because you can use that gas later |
| 16:47.03 | Shirik | mana you cannot |
| 16:47.05 | foxlit | some of which will be wasted |
| 16:47.08 | Shirik | you don't regen mana while you're full |
| 16:47.10 | foxlit | == inefficiency, oh noes. |
| 16:47.19 | Shirik | it's not inefficient |
| 16:47.24 | Cide | it is |
| 16:47.26 | Cide | but inefficiency isn't bad |
| 16:47.29 | Shirik | no |
| 16:47.30 | cbreak | you can use the mana later. You don't have to drink after the fight and can continue with the next fight right away |
| 16:47.31 | Cide | unless you run out of mana |
| 16:47.36 | cbreak | regenerating mana has a time cost |
| 16:47.37 | Shirik | inefficiency is getting 0 HP out of your mana at the end of a fight |
| 16:47.43 | Shirik | it's not inefficient to be proactive |
| 16:47.50 | Shirik | it will average out to something about 0 HP |
| 16:47.56 | Shirik | above* |
| 16:47.58 | Cide | that's true |
| 16:48.06 | Shirik | It's MORE efficient to be reactive |
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| 16:48.13 | Shirik | but that's not the point here |
| 16:48.26 | Shirik | the point is that ending with a lot of mana is bad |
| 16:48.32 | Shirik | because that's straight overhead |
| 16:48.38 | cbreak | what do you do instead? spamheal the warlocks? |
| 16:48.44 | Shirik | PoM, shield, renew |
| 16:48.45 | cbreak | throw sw:p onto the boss? |
| 16:48.46 | Shirik | anything |
| 16:48.49 | Shirik | sure |
| 16:48.53 | Seerah | Put up a dot on the boss |
| 16:48.55 | Cide | time heals on the tank right before a big hit despite being a raid healer |
| 16:48.59 | Cide | etc |
| 16:49.00 | Shirik | do SOMETHING |
| 16:49.03 | Shirik | don't just sit there on you ass |
| 16:49.05 | Cide | keyboard turn |
| 16:49.06 | cbreak | wand the boss? |
| 16:49.07 | Cide | oh snap |
| 16:49.09 | Shirik | stfu |
| 16:49.12 | airtonix | dude |
| 16:49.16 | airtonix | wanding bosses is op |
| 16:49.29 | Shirik | You used to have to wand bosses in AQ20 |
| 16:49.31 | Shirik | what was that boss |
| 16:49.32 | cbreak | I wand the boss when my Evocation gets interrupted and I am at no mana |
| 16:49.33 | Shirik | general something |
| 16:49.34 | airtonix | ^ |
| 16:49.45 | Cide | huh? na |
| 16:49.50 | cbreak | I remember AQ20... |
| 16:49.52 | cbreak | it was unique |
| 16:49.54 | Shirik | yeah because the fight was so long you'd run out of mana |
| 16:50.00 | Shirik | and so you'd put JoL on one mob |
| 16:50.03 | Shirik | and the healers would kill it |
| 16:50.05 | Shirik | er |
| 16:50.06 | Shirik | JoW |
| 16:50.07 | Seerah | it was the second boss |
| 16:50.10 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:50.16 | Cide | rajaxx |
| 16:50.19 | Shirik | yeah |
| 16:50.22 | Cide | only nubs went out of mana |
| 16:50.26 | Cide | clearly you were too proactive |
| 16:50.30 | Shirik | I wasn't a healer then :P |
| 16:50.31 | Cide | ! |
| 16:50.33 | Shirik | I just know the fight |
| 16:50.35 | Cide | I was |
| 16:50.40 | Cide | anyway that may have been true |
| 16:50.47 | Cide | I didn't do aq20 much until we overgeared it |
| 16:51.03 | Cide | can't remember how it was in the beginning |
| 16:51.10 | cbreak | back then my gear was at the front... how times change... *snif* |
| 16:51.10 | Cide | but ossirian was a pretty intense fight |
| 16:51.12 | Shirik | it was fun |
| 16:51.27 | Cide | people could actually die back then |
| 16:51.36 | cbreak | oh, people can still die today |
| 16:51.42 | Cide | can but don't, according to you |
| 16:51.45 | Shirik | lol hunter bows break |
| 16:51.51 | cbreak | no, they do |
| 16:51.52 | Shirik | nef ftw |
| 16:51.55 | cbreak | but they aren't expected to |
| 16:51.57 | Shirik | need more fights like that |
| 16:52.02 | Shirik | I STILL miss Vael |
| 16:52.07 | Shirik | that is still my favorite fight |
| 16:52.11 | cbreak | rogue? |
| 16:52.13 | Cide | cbreak, by that reasoning stamina is still valuable |
| 16:52.15 | Shirik | no |
| 16:52.21 | Cide | that's my favorite fight also |
| 16:52.23 | Shirik | I was a hunter, but just the concept of it was awesome |
| 16:52.24 | Cide | and I'm a priest |
| 16:52.25 | foxlit | vael? |
| 16:52.28 | Shirik | and the fact that the first time I went there |
| 16:52.29 | Cide | yes |
| 16:52.30 | cbreak | Cide: I said it's useful like +hit. |
| 16:52.32 | foxlit | C'thun > vael. |
| 16:52.42 | Cide | I don't believe you said that |
| 16:52.46 | foxlit | Heck, twin emps > vael. |
| 16:52.47 | Cide | foxlit, yeah, possibly |
| 16:52.48 | Shirik | the raid leader saiid to me "Ok so this is a fight where you can literally wipe in the first 2 seconds" |
| 16:52.57 | Shirik | and I was saying to myself "yeah right that's an exaggeration" |
| 16:53.00 | Shirik | and then we did |
| 16:53.11 | Kraps | whos vael? |
| 16:53.29 | foxlit | CHAIN EYE BEAM WIPES YOUR RAID. |
| 16:53.29 | Cide | pull => breath => half the raid dead |
| 16:53.29 | cbreak | second in BWL |
| 16:53.29 | cbreak | Vaelestraz? |
| 16:53.29 | Cide | vaelastrasz |
| 16:53.29 | Cide | god |
| 16:53.29 | Cide | lern2spel |
| 16:53.38 | cbreak | zsartsaleav |
| 16:54.23 | cbreak | we gave our tanks a death order |
| 16:54.24 | Shadowed | haha vael |
| 16:54.34 | cbreak | after some seconds, they had to back off into a corner to die |
| 16:54.43 | airtonix | 'some seconds' |
| 16:54.54 | airtonix | like dominoes |
| 16:54.54 | Cide | that's unfair |
| 16:54.57 | Cide | they sometimes survived |
| 16:55.06 | Cide | like every other week someone did |
| 16:55.09 | cbreak | with 0 maxhp? |
| 16:55.12 | Cide | it was never 0 |
| 16:55.17 | Cide | and you could absorb it |
| 16:55.25 | Cide | with the right combination |
| 16:55.37 | cbreak | strange. i distinctively remember to die in an ice block to running out of max hp |
| 16:55.39 | Jamash | how do you absorb having 0 hp |
| 16:55.46 | Cide | nah |
| 16:55.53 | Cide | 19 ticks, 5% each I believe |
| 16:56.04 | Maldivia | no, you could ice block it, but you also lost the mana regen buff by doing that :P |
| 16:56.15 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 16:56.21 | cbreak | wonder what boss I remember then |
| 16:56.23 | Cide | so you had to absorb 4376 to 5624 damage with 5% of your hp |
| 16:56.40 | Cide | so 5k on average |
| 16:56.48 | Cide | 1250 with shield wall |
| 16:57.18 | cbreak | Back then I think I had around 5k total hp buffed or so. Maybe a bit more or less. |
| 16:57.26 | Cide | yep |
| 16:57.41 | Cide | and then the fire absorption potion |
| 16:58.04 | Maldivia | vael for a mage was basically just AE spam - or AM if specced for it |
| 16:59.04 | cbreak | I remember experimenting with frost spells |
| 16:59.21 | cbreak | not for long... |
| 16:59.34 | Cide | Maldivia, why? |
| 16:59.38 | Cide | did AE do max damage per cast? |
| 16:59.47 | Cide | oh yeah |
| 16:59.52 | Maldivia | because the fire aira was spell pushback |
| 16:59.55 | Cide | spells were only instant cast with the death debuff |
| 17:00.14 | Cide | fire protection potion gave 1950-3250 fire absorption |
| 17:00.18 | Cide | so yeah, it was possible to survive |
| 17:00.34 | Cide | but you had to be lucky since you got meleed at the same time |
| 17:00.57 | Cide | and only had like 250 hp |
| 17:01.11 | Kraps | vael is in SWP right? |
| 17:01.15 | cbreak | no |
| 17:01.17 | cbreak | BWL |
| 17:01.20 | Cide | wow |
| 17:01.23 | Cide | if that wasn't trolling |
| 17:01.23 | Jamash | ... |
| 17:01.26 | Cide | you fail sir |
| 17:01.48 | Kraps | who me? |
| 17:01.54 | Cide | what the kraps |
| 17:01.54 | Cide | yes |
| 17:02.27 | olafski | < cbreak> second in BWL |
| 17:03.05 | Maldivia | I also remember getting a nature damage wand for chromaggus and the drakonid trash :) |
| 17:03.36 | Kraps | hey Cide |
| 17:03.42 | Kraps | bite me |
| 17:03.50 | Maldivia | frost and fire mobs were deathttraps for mages :P |
| 17:04.26 | cbreak | I paid a warlock for his soulstones |
| 17:04.37 | olafski | fun boss.. quick clean wipes on vael |
| 17:04.56 | Maldivia | well, the timer in the beginning was annoying though |
| 17:10.03 | airtonix | in the beginning, |
| 17:10.09 | airtonix | there was no gearscore |
| 17:10.50 | Mr_Rabies | i refuse to install it on principle |
| 17:19.20 | Jamash | ditto |
| 17:20.37 | Thunder_Child | i use GS as a comparison to see how well i am doing at compareable gear |
| 17:34.18 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/item=50368 or http://www.wowhead.com/item=44152 |
| 17:34.23 | Kraps | hmmmmmmmm |
| 17:38.57 | Fisker | i use GS to fuck up Thunder_Child |
| 17:39.26 | Thunder_Child | like you need GS's help to fuck up Fisker |
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| 17:51.49 | Kraps | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13200549219&postId=134519467365&sid=1#0 |
| 17:52.09 | Kraps | has to be a troll |
| 17:52.15 | Kraps | Glyph of the Beast (+2% AP gained from Aspect of the Beast, making it 12% instead of 10%) |
| 17:52.17 | Kraps | wut |
| 17:53.51 | Dagmar | It's a perfect mate to go with Glyph of Possessed Strength |
| 17:54.22 | Kraps | lulz never seen that one |
| 17:54.47 | Dagmar | Use: Increases the damage your pet inflicts while using Eyes of the Beast by 50%. |
| 17:55.20 | Dagmar | ...which is to say, while you're standing there channeling Eyes of the Beast, your pet does about 75% of the damage you both used to do together |
| 17:55.52 | Dagmar | Useful for annoying the crap out of clothies in a BG where you can find a good perch |
| 17:56.17 | Dagmar | Not useful for raid deeps |
| 17:56.29 | Dagmar | Not useful for soloing, either. |
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| 17:57.11 | Dagmar | ...although, it's definitely amusing to run a wolf out there and see some priest just standing around thinking "Oh it's just some hunters pet, I can heal through that" |
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| 17:57.30 | Dagmar | *MAULFOR5kDPS* |
| 18:00.29 | Kraps | WHY ARE YOU TURNING OFF BUFFS (ICC) OR ENABLING HARMODE (Ulduar) IF YOU ARE NOT THE RAID LEADER? |
| 18:00.41 | Dagmar | 5k is as high as I've gotten the pet biting people while using that specifically in a "screw wiht people's heads" mode |
| 18:00.57 | Kraps | HOLY MOTHER OF MEDIV |
| 18:01.10 | Dagmar | Kraps: Becuase they want a gkick |
| 18:01.24 | Kraps | its a pug! |
| 18:01.34 | Dagmar | Clearly they didn't want to go |
| 18:02.27 | Dagmar | If someone turns off the ICC buff and they weren't supposed to, poke your local hunter to have them "dealt with" |
| 18:03.29 | Kraps | i dont get that |
| 18:05.03 | Dagmar | Some folks think it's clever that they can fuck up other people's plans |
| 18:05.19 | Dagmar | ...because there's not enough vigilante killings. |
| 18:06.53 | Kraps | i see |
| 18:11.10 | Dagmar | If, on the other hand, we were able to arrange for these people to be brutally killed--there'd be a lot fewer repeat offenders |
| 18:11.17 | mikma | kraps: :D |
| 18:11.59 | mikma | kraps: we did a 20 members from guild + 5 "pugs" (including me and my wife), icc25. one of the other pugs turned off the icc25 buffs so we had to reset the instance :D |
| 18:12.52 | Kraps | did they kick him? |
| 18:13.31 | mikma | na |
| 18:13.58 | mikma | they left after 3rd boss cause they didn't get the loot they rolled + wanted :P |
| 18:14.07 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz48aDVAerU |
| 18:18.11 | MoonWitch1 | what kind of stupid bs is this ... supposed to work on the site of the place where i work... they set it to offline |
| 18:18.11 | MoonWitch1 | gah |
| 18:18.20 | haste | mikma: busy listening to the new flashbulb! |
| 18:18.24 | MoonWitch1 | and mikma ... good song |
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| 18:19.10 | mikma | i'm not entirely sure is this the version i heard at my friends place tho |
| 18:19.37 | mikma | yeah, it is, <3 <3 3:00 -> |
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| 18:20.42 | MoonWitch1 | Cairenn :) |
| 18:28.59 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 18:29.00 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 18:32.33 | MoonWitch1 | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes?ids=117#quote-117 best quote in a LONG time |
| 18:32.47 | MoonWitch1 | aka I had NO clue Cairenn could pull that off |
| 18:34.36 | nevcairiel | then you dont know her long enough yet =) |
| 18:37.03 | mikma | http://video2audio.com/ |
| 18:38.32 | MoonWitch1 | obviously |
| 18:38.45 | MoonWitch1 | and I was worried about the innuendos I've shot around this room |
| 18:39.00 | MoonWitch1 | my word, I've clearly not matched her skills |
| 18:39.21 | MoonWitch1 | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes?ids=100#quote-100 Epic |
| 18:40.19 | mikma | man, nice one |
| 18:40.27 | mikma | adys is dominating the quotes |
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| 18:47.12 | MoonWitch1 | We lack good quotes |
| 18:47.15 | MoonWitch1 | we need to ave orgies |
| 18:59.13 | Kalroth | wakes up. |
| 18:59.15 | Kalroth | Say what?! |
| 19:00.30 | mikma | in the butt! |
| 19:00.58 | MoonWitch1 | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes?ids=56#quote-56 we should get this button for realz |
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| 19:03.31 | mikma | ah hahahaha, http://open.spotify.com/track/4xVF2dBzkJCXzS9rQnzQof |
| 19:11.23 | Seerah | Do I win the internetz? :) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25399921152&sid=1 |
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| 19:21.31 | MoonWitch | no, Seerah, but you win something else :) |
| 19:21.35 | MoonWitch | hugs Seerah |
| 19:21.38 | Seerah | yay |
| 19:21.43 | Seerah | hugs MoonWitch |
| 19:21.54 | mikma | [22:20:16] <Toravon the Ice Watcher> Frostbite on Oe (8) |
| 19:21.59 | mikma | and i survived! |
| 19:22.13 | nevcairiel | with 20 its fun |
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| 19:58.57 | Sivirus | hey guys, is there an api i can use to retrieve a players class id # |
| 20:00.40 | cogwheel | what do you mean? |
| 20:00.50 | Seerah | Sivirus: class id#? |
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| 20:03.08 | Sivirus | well class types also have ids |
| 20:03.15 | zenzelezz | what kind of IDs? |
| 20:03.44 | cogwheel | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 20:03.54 | Sivirus | example paladin is 2 i believe |
| 20:04.07 | Sivirus | im generating portraits |
| 20:04.17 | Sivirus | based on gender-race-class |
| 20:04.29 | zenzelezz | portraits? |
| 20:04.35 | Sivirus | ie: http://www.wowarmory.com/_images/portraits/wow-80/0-11-2.gif |
| 20:04.51 | cogwheel | oh... |
| 20:04.51 | Sivirus | the part ont he end is genderid-raceid-classid |
| 20:04.58 | zenzelezz | so you're trying to get the right images from the Armory? |
| 20:05.00 | cogwheel | that's got nothing to do with addons hence the confusion |
| 20:05.11 | Sivirus | it does if i dump data with an addon to get it |
| 20:05.17 | Sivirus | and read that said data |
| 20:05.18 | Dagmar | Not really, no. |
| 20:05.32 | Sivirus | doh im a noob |
| 20:05.39 | Sivirus | since i arleady know there class ill just set up a check |
| 20:05.59 | Dagmar | 1. No new classes are being added any time soon. |
| 20:06.04 | Dagmar | 2. There's only ten or so classes. |
| 20:06.14 | Sivirus | is there a list somewhere to see what is what? |
| 20:06.20 | Dagmar | Just walk the list and write it on a postit note or something |
| 20:06.24 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 20:06.32 | Sivirus | yeah just realized i should do that |
| 20:07.19 | Sivirus | figured since they had UnitSex() they'd have class but ill just do a loop and throw their class to it and return if a match |
| 20:07.49 | Kraps | hai gusy! |
| 20:08.05 | cogwheel | ohaider |
| 20:09.00 | cogwheel | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2010/06/12/comedy-duo-gates-and-jobs-pics/ |
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| 20:10.58 | zenzelezz | "Oh noes. We may have to wait a few months. What ever shall we do." -- "lets post angry posts at wow related forums and threaten to quit, but keep on playing" |
| 20:11.49 | Kraps | zenzelezz: anything specifically or just general QQ? |
| 20:12.15 | zenzelezz | in this case, the possibility that heroic Deadmines and Shadowfang might be in a content patch rather than launch |
| 20:12.42 | Kraps | ah yes |
| 20:12.53 | foxlit | gr, 10.1 flash eats mouse scrolling events. |
| 20:13.12 | Kraps | admittedly i'm a bit disappointed |
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| 20:13.54 | zenzelezz | foxlit: always? I've noticed that (in linux at least, don't recall on Windows) it will do that unless I click on the webpage before scrolling (after having clicked on the flash) |
| 20:14.09 | foxlit | zenzelezz: yep. |
| 20:15.02 | foxlit | Though only in one particular browser |
| 20:17.55 | foxlit | http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-4720 |
| 20:19.08 | Kraps | "Thanks for your reporter, the issue is reproduced now and we are investigating the issue and try to fix it internally now. |
| 20:19.12 | Kraps | ... |
| 20:19.22 | Kraps | l2english adobe |
| 20:19.25 | foxlit | Adobe hardly inspires confidence. |
| 20:19.36 | zenzelezz | stop sending them reporters Kraps |
| 20:19.44 | Kraps | lul |
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| 20:20.45 | zenzelezz | "Is it really that difficult to believe that a demon lord known as "the Deceiver" might have a habit of telling fish stories?" |
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| 20:28.52 | Kraps | "Nope, there won't be a 5-player Caverns of Time with Cataclysm," he said, "but there will be a raid -- War of the Ancients." |
| 20:29.42 | Kraps | man, why they gotta kill my buzz? |
| 20:30.52 | A-KO | link? |
| 20:30.56 | A-KO | that's.....AWESOME |
| 20:31.12 | Kraps | http://www.worldofraids.com/topic/17009-exclusive-tom-chilton-dishes-details-on-cataclysm/?s=c4d2e79fcbb4a3ededbf9afda12c8dd1 |
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| 20:34.02 | Kraps | if they have the Well exploding, that would be win |
| 20:36.24 | Fisker | buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn |
| 20:36.36 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25399851003/cata-login-screen |
| 20:37.23 | Kraps | yeah, B is in epic troll mode |
| 20:38.18 | Fisker | though i agree with the sentiment |
| 20:38.24 | Fisker | allow optional loginscreens |
| 20:39.58 | Sivirus | is there a way to clear a table with table. ? |
| 20:40.28 | Kraps | throw a table at another table? |
| 20:41.24 | Sivirus | well i have this config = { players = { { data, data, data}, {data data data } } } but i want to clear out everything in players = {} |
| 20:41.48 | Corrodias2 | and you can't use players = {}? |
| 20:42.09 | Sivirus | i have it set to that at the top when the function is always called but it doesn't seem to reset it |
| 20:42.22 | Sivirus | it just keeps inserting into players |
| 20:42.31 | mikma | is the table local in the function |
| 20:43.12 | Sivirus | nope |
| 20:43.45 | Sivirus | ill try that |
| 20:45.59 | mikma | it wont help |
| 20:46.04 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25399821212&sid=1 |
| 20:46.05 | Kraps | lol |
| 20:46.17 | mikma | we need to see the code, sso, pastey.net |
| 20:47.21 | mikma | also, try config[players] = {} |
| 20:47.39 | mikma | apparently players is a table in table |
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| 20:48.27 | Sivirus | yeah thats what i have |
| 20:48.37 | Sivirus | i have config = {} |
| 20:48.48 | Sivirus | next line is config['players'] = {} |
| 20:49.00 | Sivirus | ill paste what i have |
| 20:49.12 | mikma | pastey.net =) |
| 20:50.10 | Sivirus | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/137651 |
| 20:50.39 | MoonWitch | OMG My first doctor's set! http://epicwinftw.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/fisher-price-doctor-kit.jpg?w=500&h=372 |
| 20:52.35 | mikma | sivirus: so, whats the prfoblem there |
| 20:53.02 | Sivirus | its not emptying the table on each updatefriends call |
| 20:53.07 | Sivirus | inserting the new info |
| 20:53.16 | Sivirus | just keeps adding to the players table |
| 20:53.24 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-yqbzUE20s < DAMN |
| 20:53.27 | A-KO | he got the shit knocked out of him |
| 20:53.28 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:54.21 | mikma | sivirus: table.wipe(foo) ? |
| 20:54.47 | Sivirus | would table.wipe(Players) or would I do table.wipe(TSBGuildConfig) |
| 20:55.42 | mikma | table.wipe(TSBGuildConfig) or table.wipe(TSBGuildConfig['Players']) |
| 20:55.55 | mikma | the first one is a bad idea |
| 20:56.18 | Fisker | teh fuck |
| 20:58.31 | mikma | sivirus: you must have created the table somewhere else afaik |
| 20:58.48 | Sivirus | yeaht he wipe doesn't seem to work |
| 21:00.37 | Jamash | that is because you are doing local TSBGuildConfig = {} |
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| 21:01.05 | Jamash | I think |
| 21:02.01 | Jamash | actually, that code you pastied doesn't look like it should work at all |
| 21:02.10 | mikma | i agree |
| 21:02.21 | mikma | you shouldn't be able ton see the table at all |
| 21:02.41 | Jamash | you create a local table and then don't return it, which means it should vanish at the end of the call |
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| 21:08.38 | Sivirus | got it to work |
| 21:08.50 | Sivirus | the UnitRace only works on yourself? not other playernames |
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| 21:10.59 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
| 21:11.05 | Jamash | Sivirus: it takes a UnitId as an argument http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_UnitId |
| 21:12.51 | zenzelezz | "Yeah being hacked is pretty much an everyday thing.." |
| 21:13.25 | Dagmar | ...maybe if you're on the Truman Sohw |
| 21:13.29 | Dagmar | s/sohw/show/ |
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| 21:24.21 | Sivirus | is it not possible to get a players race? i loop through the guild roster but im not sure how to get their race |
| 21:31.56 | wereHamster | for i in 1,40 do local race = UnitRace("raid"..i) end |
| 21:32.47 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
| 21:32.49 | Fisker | i just farted |
| 21:33.02 | Slackwise | wereHamster: GetNumRaidMembers() ? |
| 21:33.28 | zenzelezz | anyhow, he's talking about guild members, not raid |
| 21:33.47 | Slackwise | Oh, right. Hah. |
| 21:34.17 | Jamash | Sivirus: in order to get guild-members races I believe you would have to run a "who" query |
| 21:34.43 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/item=50309 wooooooo |
| 21:34.50 | wereHamster | Slackwise: er, of course. It's been.. two or three years since I played WoW the last time |
| 21:35.08 | Sivirus | any api link you have for who query |
| 21:35.27 | cogwheel | !api sendwho |
| 21:35.28 | lua_bot | SendWho: Requests a list of characters meeting given search criteria from the server (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendWho) |
| 21:35.41 | Slackwise | Well there's also GetNumGuildMembers() and GetGuildRosterInfo(). |
| 21:35.50 | Sivirus | thats what im using |
| 21:35.54 | Sivirus | but those dont return race |
| 21:36.03 | Slackwise | Get the name |
| 21:36.08 | Slackwise | select(1,) |
| 21:36.22 | Slackwise | And then UnitRace("name") |
| 21:36.25 | Jamash | nyet |
| 21:36.36 | Slackwise | (Making assumptions here.) |
| 21:36.39 | Jamash | only works for raid and group members |
| 21:36.45 | Sivirus | yeah this is where im all messed up |
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| 21:37.45 | Jamash | you could run a who query on g-"guild name" and collect race info from that |
| 21:38.26 | Jamash | however, who queries are limited by how often you can run them, and only return a maximum of 50 results |
| 21:38.34 | cogwheel | you'll only get 49 results at a time though, so for a big guild you'll need to narrow it down further |
| 21:39.04 | sylvanaar | i remember the >500 person guild on lk beta i was in |
| 21:39.59 | Kraps | and it looks strangely similar to what i had http://www.wowhead.com/item=37364 |
| 21:40.11 | sylvanaar | noone really knew who was in it or how many people it had |
| 21:41.21 | Kraps | i has a bunch of haste |
| 21:42.16 | sylvanaar | what are you trying to do jamash? |
| 21:42.45 | Jamash | I'm not, Sivirus wants to get guild members' races |
| 21:42.56 | Dagmar | Pfft. |
| 21:42.57 | Dagmar | Racistds. |
| 21:43.03 | Dagmar | s/ds/s/ |
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| 21:44.02 | Kraps | Dagmar: http://nl.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=102jb0o&s=4 |
| 21:44.47 | Dagmar | Kraps: Just now learning about those 4-panel jokes are you? |
| 21:44.50 | Jamash | Kraps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB2GboGOuTI |
| 21:45.04 | Kraps | Dagmar: I NEED MORE |
| 21:46.11 | Kraps | Dagmar: i didnt make that if thats what you're saying |
| 21:46.41 | Jamash | http://comixed.com/2010/04/20/4-koma-comic-strips-to-csi-miami/ |
| 21:47.56 | Kraps | seen that :) |
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| 21:51.05 | xanax` | hi |
| 21:51.35 | MoonWitch | hi xanax |
| 21:51.43 | MoonWitch | I've always liked you before going to bed :) |
| 21:52.22 | xanax` | :-) |
| 21:52.55 | xanax` | i know it's possible to have the portrait of the ennemy in a UI (just like in the window that appears when you inspect someone). |
| 21:53.15 | xanax` | but this window features a big portrait "circle".. |
| 21:53.50 | xanax` | could it be possible to have the same "portrait" but smaller, inside a circle like the ones you see when you open a bag ? |
| 21:55.31 | Jamash | sure |
| 21:55.35 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:55.36 | Fisker | slapd |
| 21:55.37 | Fisker | pwnt |
| 21:55.38 | Fisker | bai |
| 21:57.56 | Sivirus | there must be a way to get a players race, cause WIM shows it when you are about to pst someone |
| 21:58.40 | Iriel | Tooltip? |
| 21:58.41 | Iriel | Model? |
| 22:00.15 | jnwhiteh | I am going to cry. |
| 22:00.18 | Dagmar | Documentation? |
| 22:00.39 | Dagmar | intones "SUCH THINGS ARE MYSTERIES MAN WAS NOT MEANT TO KNOW" |
| 22:01.21 | Shirik | Sivirus you assume too much |
| 22:01.33 | Shirik | it can find these things out on its own and remember them |
| 22:01.36 | Sivirus | yeah WIM actually checks the who to do that i noticed |
| 22:01.39 | Shirik | but you can't know until you do one of two things |
| 22:01.44 | Shirik | run a /who or see the person |
| 22:01.55 | xanax` | won't WIM be useless with the upcoming 3.3.5 patch ? |
| 22:01.57 | Sivirus | yeah unfortunately i realized just now i can't do what i want |
| 22:02.07 | Dagmar | (not sure addons can "see") |
| 22:02.20 | xanax` | I have read that the 3.3.5 patch will feature chat options... |
| 22:02.23 | Shirik | that is a lie |
| 22:02.24 | Sivirus | since i dump guildrosterinfo, and want to know whos online/offline, i can't get offline players race |
| 22:02.35 | Shirik | Conspiracy.Sight.FindPlayer() |
| 22:02.52 | Shirik | finds a path to the given player or mob |
| 22:03.32 | Jamash | WIM probably caches who lookups |
| 22:03.37 | Shirik | ^ |
| 22:04.00 | Jamash | easiest way to find out is download it and read the code |
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| 22:06.58 | zenzelezz | Sivirus: what is your ultimate goal... what are you trying to do? |
| 22:07.20 | Dagmar | Hopefully round up all those blood elves into camps. |
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| 22:12.44 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 22:14.17 | Shirik______ | purl, say batbot: lua> "hi" |
| 22:14.18 | purl | batbot: lua> "hi" |
| 22:14.23 | Shirik______ | purl, say batbot: "hi" |
| 22:14.24 | purl | batbot: "hi" |
| 22:14.30 | Shirik______ | purl, say --> "hi" |
| 22:14.31 | purl | --> "hi" |
| 22:14.32 | batbot | purl: > hi |
| 22:14.33 | purl | hello, batbot |
| 22:14.37 | Shirik______ | :D |
| 22:15.10 | Shirik______ | purl, tehbot is <reply> --> return "tehbot" |
| 22:15.11 | purl | Shirik______: okay |
| 22:15.21 | Shirik______ | ~tehbot |
| 22:15.21 | purl | --> return "tehbot" |
| 22:15.28 | Shirik______ | hm |
| 22:15.42 | Shirik______ | purl, > tehbot is <reply> --> return "tehbot" |
| 22:15.43 | purl | Shirik______: i already had it that way |
| 22:15.55 | Shirik______ | oh |
| 22:15.55 | Shirik______ | right |
| 22:15.58 | Shirik______ | hrm |
| 22:17.14 | Shirik______ | ~tehbot1 |
| 22:17.14 | purl | --> return "tehbot2" |
| 22:17.15 | batbot | purl: > tehbot2 |
| 22:17.16 | purl | --> return "tehbot3" |
| 22:17.17 | batbot | purl: > tehbot3 |
| 22:17.18 | purl | --> return "tehbot4" |
| 22:17.18 | batbot | purl: > tehbot4 |
| 22:17.19 | purl | --> return "tehbot5" |
| 22:17.20 | batbot | purl: > tehbot5 |
| 22:17.21 | purl | --> return "tehbot1" |
| 22:17.28 | Shirik______ | aw |
| 22:17.57 | Iriel | I trust you'll stop that soon |
| 22:18.00 | Shirik______ | yes :) |
| 22:18.06 | Cairenn1 | indeed |
| 22:18.09 | Shirik______ | but batrick, I broke it |
| 22:18.11 | Shirik______ | wtf |
| 22:18.13 | Shirik______ | ninjacairenn |
| 22:19.24 | Shirik | batrick |
| 22:19.29 | Shirik | you haven't even made any changes recently |
| 22:19.33 | cogwheel | Fiskers Shirik |
| 22:19.33 | Shirik | what am I supposed to break |
| 22:19.41 | xanax` | bye |
| 22:19.50 | Shirik | cogwheel |
| 22:19.55 | Shirik | did you see my commentary about rvalue references? |
| 22:20.01 | cogwheel | prolly not |
| 22:20.05 | Shirik | ok |
| 22:20.05 | Shirik | so |
| 22:20.12 | Shirik | named rvalue references are actually lvalue references |
| 22:20.19 | Shirik | does that blow your mind? |
| 22:20.39 | cogwheel | no, just stirs it around a bit... |
| 22:20.48 | Shirik | -7- If an expression initially has the type ``rvalue-reference to T'' (dcl.ref, dcl.init.ref), the type is adjusted to ``T'' prior to any further analysis, and the expression designates the object or function denoted by the rvalue-reference. If the expression is the result of calling a function, whether implicitly or explicitly, it is an rvalue; otherwise, it is an lvalue. [Note: In general, the effect of this rul |
| 22:20.56 | Shirik | so |
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| 22:21.21 | Shirik | class Foo { Foo(const Foo ©); Foo(Foo &&move); }; |
| 22:21.33 | Shirik | Foo&& foo = Foo(); |
| 22:21.38 | Shirik | Foo newFoo = foo; |
| 22:21.45 | Shirik | will call the copy constructor, not the move constructor |
| 22:22.42 | Shirik | So I think it boils down to the only time you should ever use an rvalue reference is probably in your own move constructor |
| 22:22.49 | Shirik | and that they're dangerous to manipulate on your own |
| 22:22.56 | Fisker | you Shirik |
| 22:22.57 | Shirik | to get move semantics, call std::move |
| 22:24.03 | Cide- | I believe it was summarized as "whenever it has a name, it's an lvalue" |
| 22:24.06 | Cide- | when I read it |
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| 22:24.31 | Shirik | which is actually confusing |
| 22:24.40 | Cide- | is it incorrect? |
| 22:24.42 | Shirik | it's an rvalue reference |
| 22:24.46 | Shirik | but it's an lvalue |
| 22:24.53 | Shirik | but it's not an lvalue |
| 22:24.56 | Shirik | it's just treated like one |
| 22:25.00 | Shirik | except when it can't be |
| 22:25.02 | Cide- | std::move(rvalue reference) => rvalue |
| 22:25.19 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:25.22 | Cide- | foo alone is an lvalue |
| 22:25.29 | Shirik | no |
| 22:25.30 | Shirik | it's an rvalue |
| 22:25.37 | Shirik | but it's treated as an lvalue |
| 22:25.43 | Cide- | it's an lvalue reference to an rvalue? |
| 22:25.50 | Shirik | that's a good way of putting it |
| 22:25.55 | Fisker | you cogwheel |
| 22:26.04 | Cide- | to dereference, use std::move |
| 22:26.14 | Shirik | I really wish they just made it something like * |
| 22:26.21 | Cide- | NO |
| 22:26.24 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:26.27 | Cide- | I have enough problems wrapping my head around the 500 uses of * |
| 22:26.29 | Shirik | lmao |
| 22:26.41 | Shirik | it's just odd to have this standard template floating around |
| 22:26.45 | Shirik | for something that is meant to be trivial |
| 22:26.53 | Shirik | at least make it a new operator |
| 22:26.55 | Shirik | like |
| 22:26.56 | zenzelezz | dude |
| 22:26.56 | Shirik | reference_cast |
| 22:27.01 | zenzelezz | this is C++, we don't do trivial |
| 22:27.11 | Cide- | std::move is simple enough isn't it |
| 22:27.14 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:27.19 | Shirik | it's just kinda awkward |
| 22:27.20 | Shirik | imo |
| 22:27.24 | Cide- | yeah, I guess |
| 22:27.35 | Cide- | if it's a language feature it deserves a language way of using it |
| 22:27.42 | Cide- | not a standard library way |
| 22:27.48 | Shirik | that's my point |
| 22:27.49 | Cide- | but shrug |
| 22:27.54 | Shirik | I mean |
| 22:28.01 | Shirik | there IS a combination of language features to get it done |
| 22:28.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 22:28.05 | Shirik | it's just a pita |
| 22:28.12 | Shirik | that's why they standardized it into that template |
| 22:28.22 | Shirik | but w/e, I guess it makes it more explicit |
| 22:32.19 | Kraps | this is jack? http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/129199221790490750.jpg |
| 22:39.42 | MoonWitch | Kraps: yes to both photos |
| 22:39.49 | MoonWitch | young jack and old boob jack |
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| 22:47.27 | Shirik | who is jack? |
| 22:49.33 | olafski | nicholson :( |
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| 23:13.10 | Warloco | Erm, Hi. I'm looking for an admin to remove one of my addons |
| 23:13.18 | Warloco | or basically how to |
| 23:13.22 | Cairenn1 | link? |
| 23:13.40 | Warloco | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16902-EventHorizon-DemoLockoverlay.html |
| 23:13.57 | Cairenn1 | gone |
| 23:13.58 | Warloco | I placed an updated version under optional files for EventHorizon itself |
| 23:14.02 | alestane | You got something stuck on your nick, Cairenn...right....there! |
| 23:14.05 | Warloco | so this one is pretty redundant |
| 23:14.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 23:14.18 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 23:14.19 | Warloco | thanks |
| 23:14.25 | Cairenn | You're welcome |
| 23:14.48 | Warloco | that was incredibly quick o_o |
| 23:14.56 | Cairenn | :) |
| 23:16.21 | Warloco | are you guys planning to give away beta keys for addon devs again this year? :p |
| 23:16.27 | Cairenn | Hoping |
| 23:16.43 | Cairenn | I keep poking Blizz about them, not hearing anything back though, starting to get frustrated |
| 23:16.53 | Warloco | ah |
| 23:17.07 | Warloco | did they get much feedback out of it last time around? |
| 23:17.14 | Cairenn | No idea |
| 23:17.30 | Cairenn | But mods were ready to go, so they weren't swamped with "my addons don't work" |
| 23:17.40 | Cairenn | which I'd think would count for something |
| 23:17.51 | Warloco | im sure ill find it on the frontpage if there's any updates :D |
| 23:18.11 | Cairenn | Count on it! |
| 23:23.56 | Warloco | also- is this a good channel to ask addon-dev type questions in? Normally I basically get all my help from Gotai :p |
| 23:24.11 | Cairenn | Definitely a good channel, it's the whole purpose of it |
| 23:26.12 | Warloco | great, ill try keep idling here then :p |
| 23:26.18 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 23:34.24 | alestane | scritches Cairenn behind the ears. Such a useful creature! |
| 23:35.06 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 23:35.33 | Warloco | o_o |
| 23:35.43 | Cairenn | *giggle* |
| 23:37.38 | Warloco | you already know what I'm thinking- am I thinking correctly? |
| 23:38.14 | alestane | "Get used to disappointment." |
| 23:38.56 | Warloco | I wouldn't really be dissapointed either way |
| 23:39.02 | Warloco | perhaps.. weirded out slightly |
| 23:39.03 | Cairenn | That I'm actually a rl female, zomg?!?! Yes, you're correct. |
| 23:39.13 | Warloco | see, now I'm not weirded out |
| 23:39.16 | Warloco | that's great |
| 23:40.06 | Cairenn | One of the originals (highly visible female in a very male-dominated culture) |
| 23:40.31 | alestane | People are less likely to misassume my gender since they replaced my forum avatar with a lizard creature. |
| 23:40.54 | Cairenn | pets alestane |
| 23:41.07 | Warloco | im active on wow-europe, elitistjerks, mmo-champion and guild forums... I can't troll yet another forum :( |
| 23:41.12 | Warloco | so I havent seen your avatar |
| 23:41.15 | alestane | liked the devilsaur better too. |
| 23:41.28 | alestane | The WoW-US UI & Macros forum. |
| 23:41.39 | Warloco | @ Cair: I worked with Kat Hunter for a while, you might know her |
| 23:42.16 | Warloco | ah, green posted Ales? |
| 23:42.53 | alestane | I have that distinction. |
| 23:43.38 | alestane | They took away our green dinos and replaced them with lightning-tounged wyrmy creatures. |
| 23:43.51 | Warloco | We need moar love @ wow eu ui forums :( |
| 23:43.54 | alestane | ...which makes dinos angry. Rawr! |
| 23:45.13 | Cairenn | gives alestane a bone |
| 23:45.18 | Cairenn | errr, chewtoy |
| 23:45.25 | Cairenn | errr, yeah, you know what I mean :p |
| 23:45.56 | Warloco | lol |
| 23:46.50 | Fisker | aww man alestane |
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| 23:47.24 | alestane | I think you mean "pacifier," Cairenn. |
| 23:47.32 | Cairenn | that'll do |
| 23:48.31 | Cairenn | I meant something for you to gnaw on, to calm you down |
| 23:48.42 | Warloco | a bony bone |
| 23:48.48 | Warloco | boney? |
| 23:48.50 | Cairenn | can't have grumpy dinos in the channel |
| 23:49.03 | alestane | A paladin should do nicely, they're tough and chewy and last forever. |
| 23:49.16 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 23:49.36 | Warloco | paladin not too sweet for you? those things are made from tons of sugar and spice... |
| 23:49.42 | Warloco | and everything nice >.> |
| 23:49.48 | Warloco | bad for your teeth! |
| 23:50.45 | Fisker | puts alestane on a table |
| 23:51.38 | Cairenn | with two tickets, to that thing that you love |
| 23:51.59 | Fisker | Blizzcon? |
| 23:52.00 | Fisker | i wish |
| 23:52.24 | Cairenn | I'm on a horse! |
| 23:52.50 | Warloco | look at my horse? |
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| 23:54.16 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZOm2YhOI4c |
| 23:54.27 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 23:56.40 | Warloco | well, that *is* a great commercial |
