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| 00:06.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Working Lego Sniper Rifle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23HDHRVjpA |
| 00:07.04 | Fisker | how do you search shit in *nix again? |
| 00:07.22 | foxlit | what shit do you wish to find, dog? |
| 00:07.41 | Trela | find | grep searchterm |
| 00:08.07 | Trela | Remember, find starts from the current directory you are in so cd / to search from root. |
| 00:08.32 | Fisker | one problem with that idea though |
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| 00:10.32 | Fisker | i hate mac |
| 00:11.19 | NightHawkTheSane | later folks. |
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| 00:17.40 | Cide | or just find / | grep search |
| 00:17.55 | Cide | or find / -name "search" if you know more specifically what you're looking for |
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| 00:41.32 | Kraps | http://pastebin.com/TcXPz4Lh |
| 00:42.28 | Fisker | sweet Kraps |
| 00:51.57 | Thunder_Child | Adys: you fail |
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| 01:18.36 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 01:18.42 | Fisker | let the man sleep |
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| 01:26.16 | Amarande | wow, the auction house on this server is like twice as big as the one on my previous server |
| 01:27.28 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: hell no, someone has to deflate his head after what Bibi posted |
| 01:29.31 | Fisker | what did he post? |
| 01:29.47 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: "Dinnerbone, Adys, and Sunshine rule." |
| 01:37.39 | Kraps | http://thisisindexed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/card2597-364x231.jpg |
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| 01:46.01 | Kraps | Shirik |
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| 01:49.40 | Kraps | omg Shirik |
| 01:49.48 | Kraps | "Similar to Shrek. thumb|right Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)" |
| 01:50.00 | Kraps | wtf is it with these people |
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| 01:57.16 | Shirik | yeah I know Kraps |
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| 02:00.10 | Xyphoid | the best hunter in my guild has a revitalising skyflare diamond in his hat |
| 02:00.23 | Xyphoid | fml |
| 02:01.39 | foxlit | need it for mend pet. |
| 02:07.54 | WobWork | Xyphoid: it either shows you don't need gear to be good |
| 02:07.58 | WobWork | Or you have a terrible guild |
| 02:10.24 | Xyphoid | one or more of those statements is definitely true |
| 02:22.10 | Kraps | ya'll seen tf2s new interface? |
| 02:29.29 | Kraps | and training |
| 02:30.06 | Kraps | you can now play offline with/against the computer |
| 02:50.06 | Thunder_Child | playes with Kraps offline |
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| 03:08.09 | Xyphoid | if our dps is bad enough that we can't kill festergut (but the coordination fights like rotface are fine), is it worth trying blood princes / valithria |
| 03:09.09 | Thunder_Child | hmm...we killed fester and rot, but not prof, from what i understand princes/val is easier |
| 03:09.15 | Thunder_Child | than prof |
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| 03:11.24 | foxlit | Xyphoid: Princes aren't a dps fight. |
| 03:12.39 | Amarande | by 'blood princes' you mean 'twilight sparkle party' :) |
| 03:13.21 | WobWork | ugh, rotface last night =( |
| 03:13.26 | WobWork | we had a new ret pally |
| 03:13.28 | WobWork | who didn't have vent |
| 03:13.33 | WobWork | and who'd never done it before |
| 03:13.45 | WobWork | he kept killing us by getting infected and staying in melee with the boss |
| 03:14.21 | WobWork | also, the big ooze kept dropping aggro on the ooze tank and munching on the healers |
| 03:14.27 | WobWork | which was confusing |
| 03:14.32 | Xyphoid | well, you can't just taunt it |
| 03:14.46 | WobWork | does the big ooze drop aggro? |
| 03:14.51 | Xyphoid | it has a normal threat table |
| 03:15.30 | Xyphoid | so you need to put threat on it while kiting somehow |
| 03:15.30 | WobWork | hm heroic throw etc? |
| 03:15.34 | Xyphoid | i spam icy touch, dunno what tools the rest of you have |
| 03:15.42 | WobWork | we had a warrior oozetank |
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| 03:17.41 | Xyphoid | i'm seeing suggestions to vigilance the main tank so you get lots of taunt refreshes, heh |
| 03:17.43 | Xyphoid | sneaky |
| 03:18.00 | Xyphoid | i don't really know warriors, we run warrior/dk tanks so i get all the weird jobs |
| 03:31.17 | Amarande | so apparently this server uses a completely different GS from Turalyon |
| 03:37.16 | cog|away | Fisker: vhy am i drippings vith goo? |
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| 03:43.17 | taroven | Thunder_Child: Princes is easier than Prof, I think Valithria is harder than Prof myself though. |
| 03:44.10 | taroven | Thunder_Child: Trick with Putricide is to just tank at the table and have a damn good abom. |
| 03:44.39 | WobWork | taroven: really? we had issues with melee getting ooze targetted and not having enough time to kill them |
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| 03:46.29 | taroven | WobWork: Haven't had issues with that in my groups. I usually heal or run the abom myself. We've been having our melee go about halfway between Prof and the slime when the green is coming out. |
| 03:47.01 | taroven | Sounds backwards but it works pretty well, the rest of the melee has a chance to get to the slime a lot quicker and the ranged are hanging back in hopes of getting slimed anyway |
| 03:47.04 | WobWork | our abom was having issues keeping up with the slime |
| 03:47.20 | WobWork | you basically hit a pool and spam the nom button, right? |
| 03:47.47 | taroven | Yeah, spam 1 on pools, tap 2 on slimes as they come out, and spam 3 on them if there's a slime but no pool |
| 03:48.12 | taroven | Don't even bother hitting putricide as an abom unless you're nomming a pool right next to him. |
| 03:48.42 | taroven | Long as you spam the nom button fast enough, there's 10 seconds or so between pools to do whatever ya want. |
| 03:49.56 | taroven | I've just kinda learned over the past few kills that running to a pool on the outside is often a worse idea than just letting it be and dodging it in phase 3... if you're gonna be spending 10 seconds running to the other one, it's just not worth it |
| 03:53.37 | Amarande | WTF, EJ |
| 03:53.44 | Amarande | they updated all the other shit in the fire mage thread for 3.3 |
| 03:54.03 | Amarande | BUT THEY LEFT THE TALENT BUILD LISTED AS 3.0.X |
| 03:54.03 | taroven | Smooth. |
| 03:54.03 | Amarande | now my carefully planned level up list is BORKED |
| 03:54.12 | Amarande | and I have to apparently find an EXISTING fire mage so I can armory them and get their spec, since EJ isn't forthcoming ... |
| 03:54.13 | WobWork | taroven: cool, thank you, we'll give it a go next time =) |
| 03:54.33 | taroven | ^_^ |
| 03:54.37 | Amarande | or is fire an obsolete spec, aka "you should be speccing arcane" |
| 03:55.18 | Amarande | bah, arcane, so I can have to memorize weird ass mechanics to not oom when I'm trying to concentrate on dpsing and not standing in the fire |
| 03:55.45 | Jerub | Amarande: http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l467/morph2k4/flow-2.jpg |
| 03:55.54 | Shirik | fun trivia |
| 03:55.56 | Amarande | anyway, my next talent point apparently needs to go in a talent that ... no longer exists |
| 03:56.07 | Shirik | the only former vice president that ever served a full 2 terms as president |
| 03:56.12 | Shirik | was thomas jefferson |
| 03:56.19 | Jerub | Amarande: fail. http://quickarmory.com/stats/?c=Mage#Arcane |
| 03:56.57 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, that's the thing, with arcane you have to fidgetily remember exactly how many times in a row you've cast something spammable |
| 03:57.10 | taroven | Jerub: Epic. |
| 03:57.17 | Jerub | Amarande: you're bads. |
| 03:57.20 | Amarande | Are you standing in a fire? Yes, because you were too busy counting arcane blasts |
| 03:57.52 | Jerub | Amarande: actually, i have a solution for that that i can't live without |
| 03:58.03 | Jerub | grabs link |
| 03:58.36 | Jerub | http://powerauras.wikispaces.com/Mage+-+Arcane+Exports |
| 03:59.42 | Jerub | that way you don't have to squint to see the number of stacks of arcane blast or scan for the arcane missle buff |
| 04:00.30 | Amarande | or you could spec fire, and not have to worry about such? :) |
| 04:00.37 | Amarande | or does fire have some fiddly little thing you have to watch the count of too :| |
| 04:01.22 | Shirik | ........... |
| 04:01.26 | Shirik | post in officer forums |
| 04:01.29 | Jerub | Amarande: you're bads. |
| 04:01.33 | Shirik | Subject: Haj? |
| 04:01.37 | Shirik | Body: What happen? |
| 04:01.52 | Shirik | It took every bit of strength for me to hold back responding with "Somebody set up us the bomb" |
| 04:02.11 | taroven | DO EEET |
| 04:04.07 | Amarande | wtf, glyph of penguin is more popular than most of the mage minor glyphs that actually, well you know, DO something |
| 04:04.08 | Amarande | :| |
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| 04:05.04 | Amarande | there are also apparently people who glyph arcane barrage ... as fire |
| 04:05.46 | Jerub | what glyph of penguin? |
| 04:05.57 | WobWork | polymorph penguin |
| 04:06.02 | Amarande | Jerub: it changes the graphics of your polymorph |
| 04:06.03 | WobWork | it's awesome! =) |
| 04:06.04 | Jerub | oh the penguin |
| 04:06.14 | WobWork | I totally see why it's popular |
| 04:06.25 | Amarande | ooh, here's another genius thing at least a few fire mages use |
| 04:06.28 | Amarande | GLYPH OF WATER ELEMENTAL |
| 04:06.29 | Amarande | wtf? |
| 04:06.46 | WobWork | where are you looking? =P{ |
| 04:06.53 | Amarande | http://www.wowpopular.com/Fire/Glyphs/Mage |
| 04:06.59 | Amarande | look at some of the one-star major glyphs |
| 04:07.10 | Amarande | were some of these players dropped on their head as a baby? |
| 04:07.17 | WobWork | perhaps that's why it's one star |
| 04:07.30 | Kraps | yeah Amarande... |
| 04:07.31 | WobWork | chances are good though, is that they respecced |
| 04:07.31 | Amarande | Wob: that means it's not very popular, but that it's been observed on SOME people |
| 04:07.42 | WobWork | and had yet to reglyph before getting recorded |
| 04:14.28 | Shirik | hey guys |
| 04:14.31 | Shirik | if I make a lvl 1 alt |
| 04:14.34 | Shirik | then delete it |
| 04:14.37 | Shirik | I can reuse the name right? |
| 04:14.37 | Kraps | no |
| 04:14.55 | Kraps | i think thats how reserves work |
| 04:15.02 | Shirik | that's what I'm trying to do |
| 04:15.10 | Shirik | is reserve a name |
| 04:15.48 | Amarande | what for? :) |
| 04:16.25 | Xyphoid | are you sure that * means 'observed on some people', that list contains all mage major glyphs pre 3.3 |
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| 04:16.49 | Shirik | Just I'm transferring servers |
| 04:16.59 | Shirik | and the fact that I'm transferring is likely to draw enemies |
| 04:17.04 | Shirik | if word gets out |
| 04:17.22 | Shirik | (lolwowdrama) |
| 04:17.36 | Kraps | lol really? |
| 04:17.45 | Kraps | who would know? |
| 04:17.57 | Amarande | Xyphoid: chances are, with 10+ million WoW players, there are people dumb enough to glyph water elemental on a fire mage. :) |
| 04:18.11 | Amarande | or to respec without having purchased appropriate glyphs first :P |
| 04:19.11 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, I haven't done it for transfers, but it works for a character on that server |
| 04:19.11 | ZorbaBeta | i.e. delete, make new character |
| 04:19.11 | Shirik | I'm going to assume it would work in the same manner |
| 04:19.11 | Shirik | mostly because I already made the alt |
| 04:19.11 | Shirik | so it's a little late to be asking thiis |
| 04:19.45 | Xyphoid | or they could just have a list of glyphs and a count and be displaying them all |
| 04:20.09 | Xyphoid | the reason i think this is that it's missing eternal water |
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| 04:29.20 | Kraps | pokes Shirik |
| 04:29.32 | Shirik | pokes Kraps |
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| 04:44.32 | sylvanaar | good morning |
| 04:45.16 | sylvanaar | listens to the crickets |
| 04:45.27 | Cairenn | chirp |
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| 04:55.21 | sylvanaar | im looking forward to working on my lua editor this weekend. its starting to get to the interesting parts |
| 04:57.36 | Kraps | Adys |
| 04:57.43 | Adys | ? |
| 04:58.18 | Kraps | ETA on a *good* gateway? |
| 04:58.24 | Adys | no |
| 04:58.29 | Kraps | :( |
| 04:58.42 | Adys | and at this point not until everyone wakes up |
| 04:59.10 | Adys | which means at least 7-8 hours |
| 05:00.05 | Kraps | all the idiots come out at night http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25399849845&sid=1 |
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| 05:02.29 | WobWork | do we have a dewdrop replacement lib? |
| 05:02.52 | Shirik | so I found another reason why I love perforce |
| 05:02.54 | Shirik | today |
| 05:03.14 | Shirik | the fact that you can manage separate changelists and be able to test on a single one (as if you didn't have the other changelists pending) is awesome |
| 05:03.28 | Shirik | (without needing to make duplicate copies) |
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| 05:05.36 | macbookpro | Moo |
| 05:06.14 | WobWork | good grief, it's a macowbookpro |
| 05:06.18 | macbookpro | ..Did I insult him? |
| 05:06.46 | WobWork | his sister got bitten by a cöw |
| 05:10.57 | Mike-N-Go_ | It has been months since I frequented the WOW, whats been going on? |
| 05:14.34 | WobWork | ICC! |
| 05:14.46 | WobWork | and ... uh... Sparkle Ponies! |
| 05:14.52 | Mike-N-Go_ | Ponies!?!?!? |
| 05:15.10 | WobWork | no lie =P |
| 05:16.12 | Jerub | yeah, ponies. |
| 05:22.18 | Amarande | ugh, on Turalyon Horde, Orgrimmar was full of them |
| 05:22.28 | Amarande | no idea how popular they are on my new server yet, as the only city I've seen so far is Emptydar |
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| 05:30.01 | Torhal | WobWork: UIDropDownMenu is a pretty good replacement. |
| 05:30.04 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:30.11 | Shadowed | Maybe get a goat |
| 05:30.12 | Shadowed | a knife |
| 05:30.19 | Shadowed | and go for a blood sacrifice to seal the deal WobWork |
| 05:30.47 | Torhal | Don't forget to paint the sigils in chicken blood. |
| 05:31.09 | Mike-N-Go_ | licks ponies. |
| 05:31.36 | Mike-N-Go_ | likes ponies.* |
| 05:32.25 | WobWork | ... |
| 05:32.38 | WobWork | does it taste just like raisins |
| 05:33.07 | Mike-N-Go_ | It tastes like.. heart. |
| 05:33.33 | Amarande | so are draenei losing heroic presence altogether in cata or is it just being limited to personal effect? |
| 06:05.05 | Adys | Shirik: thats possible in git |
| 06:05.05 | Adys | easily |
| 06:05.32 | Adys | in fact its what git is all about |
| 06:06.16 | Adys | Arrowmaster: happy bday, belated |
| 06:08.26 | Torhal | Adys: Great. You probably just got him all riled up again. |
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| 06:09.23 | Dagmar | It needs an offamyland function. |
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| 06:24.48 | Amarande | so, as fire, should I be expecting to have to hold back regularly in dungeons? |
| 06:25.15 | Amarande | (and would arcane be any better in this respect?) |
| 06:26.29 | Dagmar | Dude... |
| 06:26.42 | Dagmar | First you complain your DPS is low, then when you're on a class with high DPS you question it? |
| 06:26.57 | Amarande | Dagmar: I like my DPS, I don't like going sqoosh because I pull aggro off the tank :S |
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| 06:27.01 | Jerub | also, depends on if you're talking about single target or aoe |
| 06:27.06 | Dagmar | So pay attention to Omen, dude |
| 06:27.17 | Jerub | threat plates |
| 06:27.17 | Dagmar | The game isn't supposed to mind your aggro for yu |
| 06:27.19 | Amarande | is not used to playing a class that's actually threat capped |
| 06:27.53 | Amarande | I think the last time I had to worry about threatcap on the DK otoh was on Bronjahm |
| 06:28.00 | Dagmar | Well, it's time you learned. |
| 06:28.06 | Amarande | and that was because we had a horribly undergeared tank |
| 06:28.59 | Dagmar | It's just as much your responsibility to not pull aggro as it is the tank to keep it. |
| 06:28.59 | Dagmar | Being able to stay just under that line separates the good players from the facerollers |
| 06:28.59 | Dagmar | If you wanna be all egalitarian about it, you'll want to try to keep yourself below the tank, but above the healer in threat |
| 06:29.14 | Iriel | Can anyone think of a way a paladin tank might suddenly lose all their threat? |
| 06:29.25 | Dagmar | Iriel: *All* of it? |
| 06:29.28 | Iriel | We had an almost wipe in a heroic this evening when it appeared that the tank just dumped all threat |
| 06:29.39 | Iriel | or enough both of us misdirecting hunters got our mobs back |
| 06:29.43 | Dagmar | They could have gotten stunned, but that's about the only way I know of |
| 06:29.45 | Iriel | as did the druid dps |
| 06:30.04 | Iriel | it wasn't that they stopped generating, it was as if they lost what they had |
| 06:30.14 | Dagmar | That's got to have been something bugging out |
| 06:30.23 | Jerub | Iriel: is there a bubble or something they can use that does that? |
| 06:30.42 | Dagmar | Bubble will make mobs go hit someone else, but it doesn't drop the threat last time I checked |
| 06:30.43 | Iriel | I dunno, I dont really enjoy pallys, so I dont have one |
| 06:30.43 | WobWork | if they bubble they lose all threat |
| 06:30.54 | Dagmar | WobWork: It does? |
| 06:31.00 | WobWork | well, effectively |
| 06:31.02 | Iriel | Kinda wish i'd been combat logging |
| 06:31.03 | WobWork | since they're the tank |
| 06:31.16 | Dagmar | okay, so basically the omen bar doesn't get empty for them but it's like I thought |
| 06:31.32 | Dagmar | THe mob just puts them at the bottom of the ass kicking list while they can't do anything |
| 06:31.59 | Amarande | wow mobs are smarter than the typical WSG monkey :) |
| 06:32.07 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 06:32.48 | Dagmar | Amarande: It should go without saying that as ranged DPS, unless there's a raid leader saying "collapse on the tank" you need to be 30-35yds out at all times |
| 06:32.54 | Dagmar | *all* times |
| 06:33.04 | Mike-N-Go_ | I believe paladins lose the threat for the duration of the bubble; but the mobs come right back at the paladin after the bubble pops, provided the party does not out aggro. |
| 06:33.27 | Mike-N-Go_ | Remember, if you get threat, just FD. |
| 06:33.32 | Dagmar | WEll, yeah they still have their threat points or whatever |
| 06:33.41 | Dagmar | FD defintely drops all threat |
| 06:33.55 | Amarande | what level do mages get their aggro drop at, btw? |
| 06:33.58 | Dagmar | ...as does mage invisibility (when they can get it off in time) |
| 06:33.59 | Iriel | All FD would have done would be kill the healer 8-) |
| 06:34.14 | WobWork | Dagmar: arcane instant invis |
| 06:34.18 | Dagmar | Yeah as a hunter if you feign and the healer is next on the list, you'd better have a good fucking excuse |
| 06:34.32 | Iriel | we didn't wipe, luckily I had my cooldown reset off cooldown |
| 06:34.36 | WobWork | Dagmar: sometimes I don't mind, if I'm on the ball with fade |
| 06:35.13 | Dagmar | WobWork: Just the same, our gear/stats is set up to be able to take some hits and stop the wipe |
| 06:35.20 | WobWork | indeed |
| 06:35.40 | WobWork | but I'd prefer you FD if you're about near to take a killing blow |
| 06:35.41 | Dagmar | I'm just about religious about being ahead of the healer in threat |
| 06:35.55 | WobWork | if things are really chaotic and I'm not singlehealing you |
| 06:35.57 | Jerub | i hate it when the healer takes threat off me |
| 06:36.04 | Amarande | Wob: ah, that's why people like playing arcane |
| 06:36.14 | WobWork | yeah, there are some awesome talents available |
| 06:36.26 | WobWork | I find it a lot more fun than fire/frost was |
| 06:36.34 | WobWork | (granted I'm only at 72) |
| 06:36.46 | Jerub | WobWork: i respecced at 65 |
| 06:36.51 | Dagmar | I visualize a nice equilateral triangle about 30 yards to a side with the healer on one point, the tank on another, and me on the third and I shoot from there like I'm on rails |
| 06:36.55 | Jerub | never looked back. arcane is much better than stupid frost |
| 06:37.04 | Jerub | especially if you wanted to actually use the procs. |
| 06:37.04 | Mike-N-Go_ | is proud he misdirected the conversation into a tanget. |
| 06:37.14 | Jerub | which often meant interrupting blizzard to do a single target spell :/ |
| 06:37.38 | WobWork | Amarande: ah, Invis is a talent |
| 06:37.39 | Amarande | well |
| 06:37.44 | WobWork | so by at least 50 I guess =) |
| 06:37.47 | Amarande | frost is just made of fail, anyway |
| 06:37.51 | WobWork | no wait |
| 06:37.51 | Dagmar | So you'll stop the spell that's hitting six mobs for >2k a tick to cast a what? |
| 06:37.54 | WobWork | that's instant invis |
| 06:37.55 | WobWork | >< |
| 06:38.04 | Amarande | one reason I didn't go with the cookie cutter leveling specs |
| 06:38.11 | Amarande | because those are usually frost, and are dead end specs at 80 |
| 06:38.23 | Dagmar | Amarande: There's some fights they're handy in |
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| 06:38.32 | WobWork | Mike-N-Go_: I think the original topic finished up due to lack of paladin knowledge |
| 06:38.43 | Dagmar | Specifically, I want frost mages around for Deathbringer Saurfang's little worms |
| 06:38.47 | Mike-N-Go_ | played a paladin to level 32! |
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| 06:39.39 | Dagmar | Between lag traps and a frost mage specced with slows, those worms don't get far |
| 06:39.42 | Jerub | my paladin is level 20 |
| 06:39.50 | Jerub | consdiering dropping that slot and getting a hunter instead |
| 06:39.53 | WobWork | little worms? |
| 06:40.02 | Dagmar | The blood beasts. |
| 06:40.04 | WobWork | oh. We just have shadowpriests |
| 06:40.08 | Jerub | fricking blood beasts |
| 06:40.11 | Jerub | i hate healing that fight |
| 06:40.14 | WobWork | between them and the hunters, they don't go anywhere fast |
| 06:40.18 | Jerub | becaue you're not allowed to do anything except epic heals |
| 06:40.21 | WobWork | Jerub: I like that fight for healing |
| 06:40.24 | Dagmar | We had two healers, an spriestm and a frost mage on them the last time |
| 06:40.25 | WobWork | cause I don't have to move much |
| 06:40.26 | zenzio | dropping to free a slot? |
| 06:40.29 | Jerub | and it all rests on the goddamn hunters :/ |
| 06:40.34 | zenzio | do you guys usually max out your character slots? |
| 06:40.36 | Dagmar | Probably part of the reason we just blew through that guy winging it all the way |
| 06:40.41 | Jerub | zenzio: i have now |
| 06:40.51 | Jerub | i rolled a pirest to get marigoldfarm on my realm |
| 06:40.55 | Dagmar | Jerub: That fight is murder on hunters |
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| 06:41.13 | WobWork | Jerub: I've run that with a pally healer, a holy priest healer, and three shadowpriests |
| 06:41.21 | WobWork | and a hunter |
| 06:41.33 | WobWork | spriests are -really- good on that fight |
| 06:41.35 | Jerub | Dagmar: two good huntards can solo the blood beasts on 10 man |
| 06:41.38 | WobWork | with mindflay and fade |
| 06:41.45 | Mike-N-Go_ | Jerub: What is Mari? |
| 06:41.51 | Dagmar | Jerub: Only if they're nearly outgearing it |
| 06:41.57 | Jerub | Mike-N-Go_: Marigold |
| 06:42.04 | Mike-N-Go_ | An item? |
| 06:42.14 | Jerub | no. |
| 06:42.28 | Jerub | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1680 |
| 06:42.30 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yes. |
| 06:42.36 | Dagmar | Oh |
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| 06:44.34 | Jerub | http://www.geekinheels.com/blog/2010/6/8/the-decline-of-human-civilization.html |
| 06:45.43 | WobWork | that's not so much a decline |
| 06:45.51 | WobWork | as a sharp drop off at the cliff face |
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| 06:47.16 | Mike-N-Go_ | Yah, the word count drops exponanaly. |
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| 06:48.40 | zenzio | "The LLVM project is now working on a debugger called LLDB that's already faster than GDB [...]" - people need to stop saying things like this without mentioning whether they're feature-equivalent and so on |
| 06:49.15 | WobWork | well... by saying 'decline of human civilization' it implies that Aristotle was the pinnacle, and it's been downhill since then |
| 06:49.21 | Elkano | but being faster is such a nice catch phrase... |
| 06:49.34 | Jerub | your mom is faster. |
| 06:49.37 | Dagmar | Yes because it's incredibly useful for your debugger to scroll like crazy mad instead of just scrolling like mad |
| 06:49.38 | Jerub | *cough* |
| 06:50.15 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, the explanation given for "speed" was stuff like conditional breakpoints |
| 06:50.17 | zenzio | I'm sure we could write lots of super-fast debuggers if we forsook (forsaked?) useful stuff |
| 06:50.20 | ZorbaBeta | which are pretty gnarly slow in GDB |
| 06:50.35 | WobWork | foresoaked? |
| 06:51.04 | Dagmar | Still, the only time I use GDB is when I need to see WTF is going on inside the binary |
| 06:51.13 | Dagmar | I dont' have to use breakpoints that much |
| 06:51.23 | Dagmar | So... whether it's fast or not is somewhat of a moot point |
| 06:51.44 | Mike-N-Go_ | Warcraft Texture File? |
| 06:51.45 | Arrowmaster | ahahaha that was fucking epic, i just drove an APC along a fucking cliff edge in BFBC2 just to roadkill a sniper |
| 06:52.36 | Dagmar | This is cute |
| 06:53.00 | Mike-N-Go_ | No, your cute. |
| 06:53.16 | Dagmar | Apparently the filming of the next Harry Potter movie has gotten to the bit at the end of the book where Harry has his flash-forward, and this blogger got pictures of them in their "aged" makeup |
| 06:53.45 | Dagmar | So, Harry looks to be about 40, Ron looks like he's in his 40s, Draco probably about 40... |
| 06:53.50 | Dagmar | Hermione looks about 20. |
| 06:53.55 | Dagmar | *Maybe* |
| 06:54.00 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 06:54.25 | WobWork | well |
| 06:54.31 | WobWork | it's like McGonnagal compared to Dumbledore |
| 06:54.40 | WobWork | She's a veritable spring chicken |
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| 06:54.57 | Dagmar | Except these are kids who're all about the same age |
| 06:55.43 | Dagmar | Hopefully they'll work harder at that because keeping Hermione suspiciously young looking will be questioned |
| 06:55.44 | WobWork | Dumbledore probably looked that way when he hit 30 |
| 06:55.45 | Dagmar | heh |
| 06:56.04 | Dagmar | Wobwork: looked to me like he skipped about 12 years there someplace, too. |
| 06:56.24 | Dagmar | Musta been the new haircut |
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| 07:03.52 | Jerub | Dagmar: oh god a pretty girl stayed pretty |
| 07:03.55 | Jerub | (news at 11) |
| 07:04.16 | Dagmar | There's "pretty" and there's "this chick's going to be asked to show her ID" |
| 07:04.19 | WobWork | Dagmar: She probably is suffering from Time Turner abuse |
| 07:04.58 | WobWork | either that or "She's suffering from 'Not Having Had The Makeup Put On Yet'" |
| 07:05.30 | Dagmar | There'll probably be some reason she used potions to keep the illusion of being a nubile young maiden |
| 07:05.31 | Dagmar | http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/7011543.html |
| 07:05.54 | Jerub | mmmnubileyoungmaidens |
| 07:06.11 | Dagmar | Hermione's the third picture |
| 07:06.51 | Dagmar | ...although I think the rest of them are a bit over-aged |
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| 07:08.02 | Dagmar | Come to think of it tho... at my HS reunion everyone else there did look kinda wretchedly old |
| 07:08.36 | airtonix | <heavybreathing> |
| 07:09.17 | Dagmar | Hey, the one saving grace there is that I got to glower back at some former football players |
| 07:10.04 | Dagmar | I gratuated there being just under 6" and 95lbs. |
| 07:10.14 | airtonix | lol |
| 07:10.51 | Dagmar | During the reunion was when I was still clubbing four nights a week...so I weighed 160 and could have thrown most of those guys across the room |
| 07:11.04 | zenzio | six inches? |
| 07:11.10 | Dagmar | Six feet |
| 07:11.12 | airtonix | its not the size that matters |
| 07:11.17 | krka | harry potter and ron look about the right aging |
| 07:11.18 | zenzio | isn't feet single-apostrophe? |
| 07:11.32 | Dagmar | Probably |
| 07:11.55 | Dagmar | Pants would be pretty hard to find in my size if I were just six inches tall tho |
| 07:11.57 | krka | 95 lbs is pretty fat for a 6" person :) |
| 07:12.03 | Dagmar | No one makes action figures that size |
| 07:12.57 | Dagmar | Never underestimate how delicious it is to scare people who used to tackle you in flag football to see how far you'd fly |
| 07:14.59 | Dagmar | krka: Ron looks a bit like he's spent some time sleeping in alleys |
| 07:16.33 | Jerub | http://www.teamfortress.com/images/posts/tomorrow_large.png |
| 07:17.35 | Dagmar | Jerub: Do you know why that image is special? |
| 07:17.42 | Dagmar | White earbuds. |
| 07:17.45 | Dagmar | They're available on Mac now. |
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| 07:18.37 | Jerub | Dagmar: white eatbuds on mac? Awesome. |
| 07:18.57 | Dagmar | No, Team Fortress 2 on the Mac. |
| 07:19.00 | Jerub | goes to buy a mac to get his white earbuds. |
| 07:19.06 | Dagmar | Mac users may now squeal with glee. |
| 07:19.30 | Jerub | Dagmar: wait, oh, you're thinking i have no idea about anything and are telling me thing i already know. |
| 07:19.35 | Jerub | and then totally missing my sarcasm. |
| 07:19.47 | Jerub | I see. |
| 07:19.51 | Jerub | goes off to find some white earbuds. |
| 07:21.33 | Dagmar | You need to remember to use the <sarcasm> tag |
| 07:26.14 | Dagmar | Ooo! This also means TF2 is ten bucks |
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| 07:38.10 | airtonix | your sarcasm syntax is invalid |
| 07:51.04 | Adys | http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129125798790484390.jpg |
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| 07:55.05 | Mike-N-Go_ | Night |
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| 08:02.37 | industrial | nevcairiel: Is there an IRC channel for intelliJ ? got some RedMine questions :P |
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| 08:02.54 | industrial | it keeps trying to do SVN actions because theres a .svn dir but I do not want it to - ever. |
| 08:03.10 | industrial | and I can't seem to turn off spell checking (why is this even in an IDE, waste of LOC) |
| 08:06.12 | krka | RedMine? |
| 08:06.27 | krka | too many programmers can't spell worth a damn industrial, i think that's why |
| 08:07.22 | industrial | redmine is the ruby( on rails) ide from intellij. |
| 08:08.04 | krka | i see |
| 08:08.24 | industrial | I find constant spell checking so wasteful :( If you really want it just pull the file through a checker WHEN you want it. |
| 08:10.19 | industrial | hm, fixed the svn thing |
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| 08:15.13 | jnwhiteh | may scream. |
| 08:15.16 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/forums/book/130 |
| 08:15.21 | jnwhiteh | I don't know how many times I can explain it |
| 08:15.27 | jnwhiteh | and he has the book sitting right theere =/ |
| 08:18.52 | Thunder_Child | taroven|Rawr: na, tanking at the greed spout is much eaiser |
| 08:18.59 | Thunder_Child | green* |
| 08:19.31 | krka | so stop explaining jnwhiteh |
| 08:19.39 | krka | you dont have to |
| 08:19.43 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: I think you just can't win that one |
| 08:20.01 | zenzio | he clearly doesn't understand key/value |
| 08:21.03 | airtonix | btw dagmar, is this a valid /etc/host file ? http://pastey.net/137577 |
| 08:21.43 | jnwhiteh | he clearly just opened the chapter, read the introduction, and then read the code. |
| 08:21.49 | jnwhiteh | none of the words =) |
| 08:22.09 | airtonix | or does that just reset 127.0.0.1 to the hostnames used on the last line |
| 08:22.40 | zenzio | jnwhiteh: TLDR, I wanted to learn coding, not READ A NOVEL!!!11 |
| 08:22.47 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 08:23.03 | zenzio | hm... it would be amusing to write a coding book in the form of a novel |
| 08:23.07 | Torhal | "But books don't answer questions!" |
| 08:23.45 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/06/10/funny-pictures-domino-theory-at-work/ |
| 08:27.55 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:41.01 | Trela | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9CXRpglfdo |
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| 08:48.54 | Zhinjio | Any of y'all have any experience with tv video capture cards? I'm looking for good starter websites and info |
| 08:52.30 | Trela | Zhinjio: Do not buy any ATI capture cards. |
| 08:52.48 | Zhinjio | Trela: I've heard that. So far the brand that has been recommended most is Hauppauge |
| 08:53.00 | Trela | Pretty them over the rest. |
| 08:53.41 | Trela | *Pretty much |
| 08:53.49 | Zhinjio | nods. Ok |
| 08:54.19 | Zhinjio | Do you know of any good online resources with tutorials, software recommendations, etc? Or is this really so brain dead at this point that my 2 yr old daughter can probably figure it otu? |
| 08:54.21 | Zhinjio | out* |
| 08:54.53 | airtonix | <insert sarcastic response/> |
| 08:55.04 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 08:55.16 | airtonix | depends on the platform i guess |
| 08:55.34 | Zhinjio | win7 |
| 08:55.36 | Zhinjio | well |
| 08:55.41 | Zhinjio | I should say, most likely. |
| 08:55.48 | airtonix | i vaguely remember that some cards come with software to help |
| 08:55.56 | Zhinjio | i'm open to suggestions, but thats the most likely path |
| 08:56.30 | Trela | Personally I like VirtualDub for capturing video. |
| 08:56.45 | Zhinjio | I use that already for other video editing tasks. |
| 08:56.53 | Zhinjio | so thats good |
| 08:57.29 | Elkano | Zhinjio, do you intend to do video capture or tv capture? in the later case, I think you'd need a tuner card |
| 08:57.33 | Trela | Adobe Premiere has a good capture set up, but is stupidly expensive. |
| 08:57.53 | Zhinjio | Elkano: tv, and yes, I'm looking into a tuner card now |
| 08:58.14 | Trela | Elkano: Even then I would recommend having an external tuner unless it is essential to have the computer switch the channel. |
| 08:58.23 | Zhinjio | ah |
| 08:58.24 | Zhinjio | hm |
| 08:58.36 | zenzio | MMO-Champion seems to be having an interesting upgrade |
| 08:58.46 | Bibi | nop. |
| 08:58.48 | Trela | There are good television tuner and capture card combinations however. |
| 08:58.51 | Bibi | my sysadmins went to bed. |
| 08:59.03 | Bibi | and I don't have that kind of access to the servers. |
| 08:59.03 | zenzio | they should've sent the Bad Gateway to bed too |
| 08:59.12 | Trela | Upgrade? Looks broken to me. :O |
| 09:00.53 | Trela | Bibi: Tell your sysadmins to upgrade the nginx installation for your server. 0.7.59 has some serious security vulnerabilities. |
| 09:01.14 | zenzio | maybe that's why they're saying it's a "bad" gateway |
| 09:01.19 | zenzio | *ba-dum-PISH* |
| 09:01.26 | Trela | D'oh. |
| 09:01.39 | Kalroth | The admins went to bed, heh? Apparently you're paying them too much! |
| 09:02.48 | Kalroth | Of course, better now when there's no news than during next Blizzcon/Cataclysm open beta |
| 09:03.30 | Trela | Kalroth: I am awake right now because I am working on ArenaJunkies. D: Need more pay! :P |
| 09:04.07 | Kalroth | haha, working overtime on a pvp site |
| 09:04.09 | Kalroth | sucker! |
| 09:04.35 | krka | sucker? i 'ardly now 'er! |
| 09:04.39 | krka | *know |
| 09:05.47 | Trela | I am in MySQL hell with latin1 and utf8. |
| 09:07.33 | Zhinjio | Trela: something like this for an external device? http://bit.ly/94po3r |
| 09:09.02 | Trela | Zhinjio: That is basically every thing and then transfers files through USB. |
| 09:09.02 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 09:09.02 | Trela | I meant more that the capture card is in the computer and you would use an external tuner to get television. |
| 09:09.14 | Zhinjio | oh |
| 09:09.17 | Zhinjio | I see. |
| 09:09.18 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 09:09.29 | Trela | Kind of hard for me to tell you want to get based on not knowing your specific needs. :D |
| 09:09.36 | Zhinjio | yeah, I know. |
| 09:09.42 | Zhinjio | partially because I don't know them myself yet |
| 09:10.12 | Zhinjio | I know I want at least 2 things: the ability to take old VCR tapes I have and get them on disk so I can finally get rid of all that crap |
| 09:10.38 | airtonix | last fringe episode was 23 yeah ? |
| 09:10.46 | Zhinjio | and second: the ability to record stuff coming in from my cable box (HD capable) so I can achieve some limited-TIVO-like capability |
| 09:11.06 | airtonix | ~seen Fiskersmom |
| 09:11.32 | purl | fiskersmom <~4b6507b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-swkxaxkxejrspgpg> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 15h 19m 26s ago, saying: 'Fisker: i need relief. come home.'. |
| 09:11.47 | Trela | XD |
| 09:11.57 | Trela | Zhinjio: How many VHS tapes do you have? |
| 09:12.01 | Zhinjio | hmm |
| 09:12.13 | Zhinjio | maybe 10 that I feel are "critical", but maybe 50 overall |
| 09:12.33 | Trela | Mmm... |
| 09:13.10 | Trela | Fifty to one hundred is my range as well. I calculated it would take two complete months of non-stop play back to record them to disk. |
| 09:13.22 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 09:13.39 | Trela | In the end, I decided to find the DVDs or downloads for cheap. :P |
| 09:13.43 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 09:13.55 | Zhinjio | some of these things aren't movies, and aren't available anymore |
| 09:14.00 | Zhinjio | hmm |
| 09:14.05 | Zhinjio | maybe I just haven't looked hard enough |
| 09:14.35 | Wobin | http://www.capitalgate.ae/index.php |
| 09:14.38 | Wobin | ughggh |
| 09:14.49 | Wobin | I don't want to imagine being able to look -down- from the window |
| 09:15.20 | airtonix | wtb screenshots of new crytek online game |
| 09:15.58 | Zhinjio | I should check demonoid quick before I get all into building another machine |
| 09:15.59 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 09:16.06 | Zhinjio | ah, maintenance. blah |
| 09:17.06 | Zhinjio | ok, nm... they're out there, in quantity and in high quality |
| 09:17.07 | airtonix | http://gon.cdn.on.net/screenshots/a/3/441/2010-06-09/steve-ballmer.jpg |
| 09:17.10 | Zhinjio | serves me right |
| 09:18.15 | Zhinjio | takes another stab at the new defense grid level before bed. |
| 09:18.17 | Zhinjio | thanks folks. |
| 09:18.19 | Zhinjio | appreciate the guidance. |
| 09:18.56 | Elkano | Zhinjio, are they worth it? |
| 09:19.04 | Elkano | the levels that is |
| 09:19.29 | Zhinjio | Elkano: I like that game FAR too much to give you an unbiased answer to that question |
| 09:19.37 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 09:19.49 | Zhinjio | so far, I like them plenty |
| 09:20.01 | Zhinjio | and there are new achievements, so I drool even more |
| 09:22.01 | Wobin | Jerub, remember that lego printer? |
| 09:22.05 | Wobin | well.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H23HDHRVjpA&feature=player_embedded |
| 09:30.41 | airtonix | pimpn |
| 09:34.56 | zenzio | http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/b/ba/Harbfeadtuegwtdlml_4chan.jpg |
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| 09:59.20 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 09:59.31 | Zhinjio | Elkano: the second level in "Resurgence" is just FUN AS HELL |
| 09:59.40 | Zhinjio | big huge open plain, fully buildable |
| 09:59.51 | Zhinjio | and you just path the hell out of them |
| 09:59.52 | Zhinjio | awesome |
| 09:59.55 | Zhinjio | anyway, bed. |
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| 10:16.46 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! || 3.3.5 PTR Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/bY6mEm || AVR broken in 3.3.5 http://cot.ag/aYo2YE || Are you going to BlizzCon? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Happy Birthday Mr. Seerah! |
| 10:19.00 | zenzio | you shouldn't write it like that Cairenn |
| 10:19.07 | zenzio | you'll confuse people |
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| 10:32.41 | Fisker | sexually confused zenzio ? |
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| 10:38.18 | airtonix | Fisker, you mother called. |
| 10:39.18 | Fisker | nope airtonix |
| 10:39.26 | airtonix | ~seen Fiskersmom |
| 10:39.48 | purl | fiskersmom <~4b6507b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-swkxaxkxejrspgpg> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 16h 47m 42s ago, saying: 'Fisker: i need relief. come home.'. |
| 10:39.48 | airtonix | we shall see |
| 10:40.21 | airtonix | thankyou purl |
| 10:41.10 | Fisker | you're not the first to try that |
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| 11:10.21 | Legorol | wow, when did this happen: |
| 11:10.34 | Legorol | from http://www.wowarmory.com/wow-remote.xml, FREE Remote Auction House app on Android Market |
| 11:10.36 | Legorol | wohoo |
| 11:10.46 | Legorol | there was no announcement about it, but that makes me happy |
| 11:10.55 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx4qBwr1plo&feature=popt17us0c < that is foul...but funny as hell |
| 11:11.04 | krka | probably means it's free on desktops as well? |
| 11:11.10 | krka | (android emulator in worst case) |
| 11:11.31 | krka | ah, there's already for web |
| 11:11.33 | krka | never mind then |
| 11:11.43 | zenzio | I was under the impression you paid for the service, not the app? |
| 11:12.16 | olafski | yes |
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| 11:13.17 | Legorol | yup zenzelezz |
| 11:13.19 | Legorol | *zenzio |
| 11:13.29 | Legorol | what i was happy about is that i didn't see when they released it for Android too |
| 11:13.37 | Legorol | until very recently it's been iPhone only |
| 11:13.46 | zenzio | yeah, I also didn't hear about an Android version |
| 11:13.49 | Legorol | i'm very happy now, that was the last single reason why i was considering getting an iPhone |
| 11:13.53 | Legorol | i now have no reason to |
| 11:15.32 | zenzio | "Its a kewl app.. Bt could b better. Could b more like the ah in the game.." |
| 11:15.53 | A-KO | eh |
| 11:15.56 | A-KO | I'd still get an iphone :P |
| 11:16.02 | A-KO | it's a better mobile device from a usability perspective |
| 11:16.09 | A-KO | in fact, I'm probably pre-ordering the iphone 4 |
| 11:16.12 | foxlit | if msg:match("%Akewl%A") then nukeFromOrbit(sender); end |
| 11:16.50 | zenzio | what I hate about the App Store and Market comments: people use them incorrectly. Rate it 1/5 since you don't like having to pay for it? GG |
| 11:16.57 | zenzio | sorry, paying for the SERVICE |
| 11:17.17 | A-KO | zenzio: it's peoples' honest opinion |
| 11:17.33 | zenzio | lol, this is golden... |
| 11:17.38 | zenzio | "Doesn't work on private servers :-/" |
| 11:18.17 | zenzio | A-KO: they're completely allowed to feel that way, but comments on an app should be about the app, not about the service behind it |
| 11:18.19 | foxlit | Bastards |
| 11:18.20 | zenzio | (my opinion) |
| 11:18.54 | foxlit | To pre-order the iPhone you must agree that "(Phone Company) can contact me by telephone, email, sms/mms/wap with information and special offers based on my use of their services" |
| 11:21.43 | zenzio | amusing to see that the 1-2/5 comments are entirely "should be free" |
| 11:22.34 | zenzio | "The market says free but once you download there is a subscription fee. False advertisement much?" |
| 11:22.40 | olafski | "its kwl app.. bt could b better. I cnt jmp arnd in frnt of teh bank while w8ing 4 my auctins 2 b done" |
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| 11:37.02 | Legorol | here's an interesting thing about the AH service: |
| 11:37.17 | Legorol | there are lots of arguments about this provides a paid advantage in-game or not |
| 11:37.24 | Legorol | that is all and well |
| 11:37.44 | Legorol | and some people QQ that it does, whereas Blizzard says it doesn't give you access to anything you don't already have access to, so it's no advantage |
| 11:37.51 | Legorol | this debate is largely uninteresting |
| 11:37.52 | Legorol | but |
| 11:38.05 | Legorol | the remote AH does provide you unlimited access to the *neutral* AH from anywhere in the world |
| 11:38.12 | Legorol | that is a small, but definite in-game advantage |
| 11:38.24 | zenzio | hm |
| 11:38.30 | zenzio | interesting point |
| 11:38.32 | Legorol | if you make a level 1 char on a random realm it does not have access to the neutral AH |
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| 11:38.49 | Legorol | or even if you level it to 10 (the level required to see a char on armory), it's very hard for it to get to neutral AH |
| 11:39.10 | olafski | and what do you do with a level 1 character on the neutral AH? |
| 11:39.10 | Legorol | there is another small advantage the remote AH provides: access to AH without your character being at the AH |
| 11:39.15 | Legorol | this is not just a convenience factor |
| 11:39.34 | Legorol | it means i can have my char at my favourite farming location, when bags are full, i don't have to travel to town |
| 11:39.37 | Legorol | i pust direct to AH |
| 11:39.39 | Legorol | and carry on farming |
| 11:39.46 | Legorol | olafski: the level 1 char can be bank alt |
| 11:39.54 | Legorol | whose sole purpose in life is to make you money on AH |
| 11:39.58 | zenzio | I'd say it's very tedious rather than very hard, but I agree |
| 11:40.13 | Legorol | well, tedious is an understatement |
| 11:40.17 | olafski | how much work is it to get a level 1 summoned to the neutral AH :/ |
| 11:40.21 | zenzio | yeah, but still not hard |
| 11:40.22 | Legorol | a level 10 has no business being in the towns with neutral AHs |
| 11:40.34 | theorbtwo | 10, BTW, is also the minimum for many professions, and if you're going to have an alt, you may as well use it's two profession slots. |
| 11:40.35 | olafski | I got my level 3 undead guy to booty bay without trouble |
| 11:40.38 | Legorol | ok, even if you disagree about the neutral AH thing, |
| 11:40.39 | zenzio | I ran character straight from Northshire Abbey to Icecrown Citadel |
| 11:40.46 | Legorol | of course it's doable |
| 11:40.49 | Legorol | i'm not saying it's hard |
| 11:40.54 | olafski | takes about 10 minutes |
| 11:40.56 | Legorol | what i'm saying is that it's not really intended |
| 11:41.06 | zenzio | no argument about that =) |
| 11:41.14 | Legorol | whereas with remote AH it's intended |
| 11:41.26 | Legorol | and even if you don't think the neutral AH thing matters much, what about that fact: |
| 11:41.35 | Legorol | you don't have to travel to town from remote locations in the world to post your goods to AH |
| 11:41.57 | Legorol | i'm not saying any of these are big advantages |
| 11:42.03 | Legorol | they are small.. and they are more perks than anything |
| 11:42.08 | Legorol | but i would class them as in-game advantages |
| 11:42.46 | theorbtwo | Is it that hard to get to a mailbox? |
| 11:43.07 | theorbtwo | For one thing, you never have to walk *to* a mailbox, that's what hearthstones are for. You only have to walk *from* a mailbox. |
| 11:43.41 | olafski | I'd reckon most places in the world have a mailbox within 30 seconds of flying |
| 11:43.48 | olafski | (farming spots) |
| 11:44.13 | olafski | but if someone wants to pay for that I say go them ;) |
| 11:44.53 | Xyphoid | economic advantage for RMT sailed as soon as people started selling tcg codes |
| 11:45.36 | Xyphoid | and the combat advantage rubicon was crossed with paid race changes |
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| 11:54.17 | airtonix | A-KO, what makes the iphone a "better mobile device" than a phone using android ? |
| 11:54.34 | foxlit | airtonix: the hardware. |
| 11:55.22 | airtonix | so because a phone uses the android software its hardware must automatically be less than the iphone ? |
| 11:55.55 | zenzio | this discussion never ends well |
| 11:56.04 | airtonix | it never starts logically |
| 11:56.05 | foxlit | No. But is there an android phone that has comparable specs? |
| 11:56.58 | airtonix | ah so the correct answer to my question is : at the moment the iphone has better hardware than any android based phone. |
| 11:57.07 | airtonix | "at the moment" |
| 11:57.39 | foxlit | Which makes it a "better mobile device" |
| 11:57.48 | airtonix | but not forever |
| 11:57.56 | foxlit | Of course. |
| 11:58.03 | airtonix | and its not really a compelling argument against the android operating system |
| 11:58.09 | airtonix | or for the iphone OS |
| 11:58.50 | foxlit | It is a compelling argument for an iphone, though. |
| 11:58.52 | airtonix | it might work on less intelligent consumers... |
| 11:58.55 | Fisker | the iphone hardware isn't that great |
| 11:59.32 | airtonix | break it down for us fisker |
| 11:59.41 | airtonix | rolls out a vinyl floor matt |
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| 11:59.58 | Fisker | needs no more breakdowning :P |
| 12:00.30 | airtonix | releases more baboons |
| 12:00.30 | Wella | Hi just a quick question (g2g in like 5 mins), is there a way to check if the player is hovering over a spell icon/etc? (E.g. in the spellbook, on the action bar, etc...) |
| 12:00.39 | airtonix | no |
| 12:00.52 | airtonix | long answer : yes |
| 12:01.03 | Wella | Balls, i'm trying to find out how addons like ncHoverBind do it cause i want to make my own lightweight version |
| 12:01.03 | foxlit | You could hack at it, but you'll end up with a solution that isn't guaranteed to always work. |
| 12:01.45 | foxlit | I thought nc -> nightcracker -> "it's so light, your grandma will be floating in the air" |
| 12:02.01 | Wella | lol |
| 12:02.09 | Wella | Well |
| 12:02.24 | Wella | I wana be able to use Blizzard's default UI with a few small modifications, and I want to be able to make those myself |
| 12:02.31 | Wella | Such as hover binding, sticky chat channels and a couple others which annoy me |
| 12:03.15 | Wella | :/ |
| 12:03.19 | airtonix | <heavybreathing/> |
| 12:03.39 | foxlit | Fair enough. If you're writing it for yourself, though, you know which buttons you may hover over |
| 12:03.42 | foxlit | So just check those. |
| 12:03.58 | foxlit | GetMouseFocus() and see whether it's anything you recognize. |
| 12:04.16 | Wella | That's true but there would be a lot to check for, also I want to upload it to WoWI anyway |
| 12:04.56 | Wella | then again |
| 12:05.09 | Wella | If I wanted to use it only for myself I could just forget the hovering and use SetBindingSpell(key, spell) |
| 12:05.17 | Wella | Could I? |
| 12:05.20 | airtonix | will that mean you'll have to change it ? (if you want to upload it) |
| 12:05.29 | Fisker | btw airtonix |
| 12:05.34 | Fisker | Samsung agreed the fuck with me |
| 12:05.38 | Wella | What do you mean "change"? |
| 12:05.49 | Fisker | they say that the IPS panel is about 5% better, and uses like 30% more power |
| 12:06.08 | airtonix | start making sense boy |
| 12:06.13 | airtonix | DOETNAO |
| 12:06.20 | Fisker | you know iphone 4g? |
| 12:06.21 | Wella | >.< |
| 12:06.21 | foxlit | *eet |
| 12:06.22 | Fisker | err |
| 12:06.23 | Fisker | just 4 |
| 12:06.37 | airtonix | i'll 4g your phone |
| 12:06.43 | airtonix | gold beggar |
| 12:06.48 | Wella | ha |
| 12:06.50 | Fisker | i wish airtonix |
| 12:06.56 | Fisker | well actually i don't |
| 12:07.00 | Fisker | <3 Nexus One |
| 12:07.07 | Fisker | Cutting Edge ftw |
| 12:07.11 | Wella | Well thanks anyway guys, might come back later but I have another idea, peace :) |
| 12:08.47 | airtonix | Fisker, this one ? http://www.google.com/phone/static/en_US-nexusone_tech_specs.html |
| 12:08.51 | Fisker | yes |
| 12:09.08 | airtonix | Autofocus from 6 cm to infinity |
| 12:09.16 | airtonix | infinity |
| 12:09.33 | Fisker | yeah |
| 12:09.45 | Fisker | fucking nullity |
| 12:09.49 | Fisker | infinity is where it's at |
| 12:10.02 | airtonix | what does A2DP mean ? |
| 12:10.37 | Fisker | some shit with music playback i think |
| 12:10.41 | airtonix | ah just wireless audio protocol ? |
| 12:10.49 | Fisker | Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP) |
| 12:11.22 | airtonix | ok bluetooth profile |
| 12:11.32 | foxlit | Have some wireless headphones |
| 12:12.41 | airtonix | do you just drag n drop mp3 files onto an sdard and play them on the phone ? |
| 12:12.50 | airtonix | sdcard* |
| 12:14.48 | airtonix | ahh the iphone has a dedicated 3d capable gpu |
| 12:18.38 | airtonix | Fisker, http://ezinearticles.com/?Samsung-Galaxy-S-Trumps-All-Other-Android-Phones-With-Its-GPU&id=4068036 |
| 12:19.28 | airtonix | iPhone 3GS: 28 million triangles per second, Galaxy S : 90 million triangles per second. |
| 12:20.02 | Fisker | sure airtonix you can do that |
| 12:20.49 | airtonix | Fisker, but that article implies the nexus one has a dedicated gpu too |
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| 12:22.44 | foxlit | I should totally call my ring-sharing plug-in "SharedPie" |
| 12:22.59 | foxlit | But that doesn't make it obvious what it actually plugs into :*( |
| 12:24.42 | zenzio | does the template(s?) OPie uses for rings allow for "half-moon" rings - ie. using only the upper half? |
| 12:26.04 | foxlit | zenzio: There is no technical limitation preventing that, I just didn't write code to support it. |
| 12:26.22 | foxlit | Out of interest, why would you want that? |
| 12:26.38 | zenzio | I only thought of it when I made a macro on my actionbar open a ring, and it was ugly when it popped up at the bottom of the screen |
| 12:26.59 | zenzio | don't remember if all items were visible, or if it moved up enough to show everything |
| 12:27.08 | foxlit | doesn't move up. |
| 12:27.49 | zenzio | either way, it annoyed me, but I assumed my use was infrequent enough to understand why it worked like that |
| 12:28.02 | zenzio | ended up just putting solitary buttons elsewhere on my screen |
| 12:28.13 | foxlit | If it's a specific ring, you could always add filler stuff to ensure nothing useful is in the bottom half. |
| 12:28.40 | foxlit | Or have it open the ring at the center of the screen (you can also set it up at an offset, but that isn't exposed by the UI) |
| 12:28.41 | zenzio | yeah, I considered that, but I was content with my floating buttons solution |
| 12:29.17 | zenzio | I tried the middle-of-screen setting, but moving the cursor from the icon at the bottom and all the way up was too tedious |
| 12:29.28 | zenzio | in retrospect it was a silly idea in the first place to want rings around the actionbar |
| 12:29.38 | zenzio | but it made me ponder slide-out menus |
| 12:29.54 | zenzio | (yes, plain old boring Start Menu style) |
| 12:32.36 | foxlit | Someone should clearly buy me a wow mouse. |
| 12:33.20 | foxlit | Can't bring myself to do it at the price they want for it, considering I'm content with mine. |
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| 12:40.26 | alestane | Does anyone have a reference for the optional arguments to regions:IsMouseOver? WoWProgramming doesn't mention their existence yet. I presume they're inset values of some kind. |
| 12:47.57 | foxlit | In a totally unrelated call for docs, I wonder if there's something that describes hybridscrollframe somewhere. |
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| 12:59.28 | Kraps | http://www.box.net/shared/6cy6n6l7c7 |
| 12:59.37 | Kraps | fucking popups |
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| 13:02.47 | Lopeppeppy | wants the damn brownies! |
| 13:03.10 | alestane | Touché...but I didn't want to get in trouble for tempting you, either. |
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| 15:18.00 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! || 3.3.5 PTR Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/bY6mEm || AVR broken in 3.3.5 http://cot.ag/aYo2YE || Are you going to BlizzCon? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu || Happy Birthday Mr. Seerah! |
| 15:19.21 | Kraps | Kirin Tor10/05CSTRPEN12,728 (61%)8,016 (39%)1.5:120,744 |
| 15:19.22 | Kraps | Dalvengyr04/06ESTPVPEN1,648 (62%)991 (38%)1.1:12,639 |
| 15:19.34 | Kraps | is that even possible :o |
| 15:19.49 | Adys | It seems that with the release of the 10.1 security patches, Adobe has, at least temporarily, killed 64-bit Flash for Linux. The statement says: 'The Flash Player 10.1 64-bit Linux beta is closed. We remain committed to delivering 64-bit support in a future release of Flash Player. No further information is available at this time. Please feel free to continue your discussions on the Flash Player 10.1 desktop forums. |
| 15:19.50 | Adys | Wow |
| 15:19.52 | Adys | Fuck you too |
| 15:20.38 | Adys | professional software not 64bit compatible is getting completely retarded |
| 15:20.44 | Adys | that somewhat includes games too (wow) |
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| 15:26.49 | Ackis | bah I can't even update flash because they don't have an updated .xpi yet |
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| 15:37.08 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:37.31 | Fisker | owned |
| 15:38.09 | haste | flash... xpi? wat |
| 15:41.33 | Shirik_ | linq is so awesome |
| 15:41.36 | Shirik_ | return (from dependency in parent.GetSubElement<Dependency>() where dependency.Stereotypes.Contains("use") && dependency.Attributes["name"] == element.Attributes["name"] select dependency).Count() > 0; |
| 15:43.36 | Kalroth | awesomely horrible you mean |
| 15:44.07 | Shirik_ | alternatively |
| 15:44.08 | Shirik_ | return parent.GetSubElement<Dependency>().Where(d => d.Stereotypes.Contains("use")).Where(d => d.Attributes["name"] == element.Attributes["name"]).Count() > 0; |
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| 15:45.37 | Kalroth | it shouldn't be named linq, it should be named .. Fiskerq! |
| 15:45.43 | Shirik_ | lol |
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| 15:46.58 | Wella | Hi. |
| 15:47.05 | cog|work | ohai |
| 15:47.05 | Wella | This is real nooby, but how would I set a function to runw hen a] |
| 15:47.14 | Wella | *run when a user types a specific slash command |
| 15:47.18 | Wella | Is there an event for this? Can't find it |
| 15:47.26 | cog|work | you mean an already existing slash command? |
| 15:47.39 | Wella | Nah. One of my making |
| 15:47.48 | Wella | In this case "/wb" or "/wbind" followed by msg |
| 15:48.08 | cog|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 15:48.17 | Wella | Yeah, already read that but |
| 15:48.28 | Wella | Hmm two secs |
| 15:48.59 | cog|work | if you have code you've tried, you can paste it on http://wowuidev.pastey.net so we can see what you might be doing wrong |
| 15:49.25 | Wella | Not yet |
| 15:49.28 | Wella | Thanks for the link though |
| 15:49.39 | Wella | *Bookmarks* |
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| 15:51.03 | Wella | so cog |
| 15:51.04 | Wella | With this |
| 15:51.05 | Wella | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/137593-d6i1 |
| 15:51.19 | Wella | would everything inside the function be called when the user types /wb or /wbind? |
| 15:51.39 | Wella | ignore the top two lines rofl |
| 15:51.55 | Wella | Or not |
| 15:51.56 | cog|work | no. you have to put your function inside the SlashCmdList table |
| 15:52.04 | Wella | Woooppssss forgot |
| 15:52.18 | Wella | In the format of " SlashCmdList["HELLOWORLD"] = handler; " right? |
| 15:52.42 | cog|work | yep. or you could just do SlashCmdList.WB = function(msg, editbox) ... end |
| 15:52.57 | cog|work | though i'd pick something longer than "WB" to make sure you don't clash with anyone else ;) |
| 15:53.02 | Wella | true |
| 15:53.08 | Wella | Thx a bunch mate :) |
| 15:53.13 | cog|work | np :) |
| 15:54.01 | Wella | #wowuidev and wowprogramming.com are awesome |
| 15:54.03 | Wella | <3 |
| 15:54.33 | Ackis | sliced bread is awesome too IMO |
| 15:54.46 | Wella | Only a bit |
| 15:55.02 | Legorol | wowuidev > sliced bread |
| 15:55.02 | cog|work | do you have the wowprogramming book yet? |
| 15:55.08 | Wella | No |
| 15:55.12 | Legorol | plugging again, cog? ;) |
| 15:55.13 | Wella | Because the thing is |
| 15:55.37 | Wella | I've decided I am just gona use Lua to make the basic addons which I usually use to enhance Blizzard's default UI, such as better ways to bind keys, sticky channels, etc |
| 15:56.09 | Wella | And then if I ever get bored of that UI, I'll just go back to making UIs with other people's addons, lol. :) |
| 15:56.13 | cog|work | :) |
| 15:56.31 | Wella | Cause the other day I was like "ah fuck this Lua thing I don't see the point..." then I realised what my motivation could have been. Tehe |
| 15:57.50 | Ackis | someone called Lua LUA in another irc server I'm on, and I corrected them :( |
| 15:58.08 | Wella | I called it that the first time I came here. I was smited. |
| 15:58.30 | Fisker | LUA = LUA's used as an Acronym |
| 15:58.35 | Fisker | Used* |
| 15:58.45 | Wella | Where did the name "Lua" come from, anyway? |
| 15:59.00 | Legorol | it's portugese for moon |
| 15:59.01 | alestane | It's Portugese for "Moon." |
| 15:59.07 | Wella | Hm. ok |
| 15:59.13 | Legorol | the makers of Lua are portugese |
| 15:59.14 | Wella | Interesting :) |
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| 15:59.15 | alestane | The language was developed in Brasil. |
| 15:59.20 | Wella | Makes sense |
| 15:59.25 | Fisker | LUA = LUA's Used as an Acronym |
| 15:59.30 | Legorol | rofl |
| 15:59.30 | Wella | ? |
| 15:59.33 | Legorol | ~lart Fisker |
| 15:59.33 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Fisker |
| 15:59.36 | alestane | And the language functions as a satellite to other programs. |
| 15:59.45 | Wella | Ah |
| 15:59.53 | Wella | That's a cool way of naming it, haha |
| 16:00.03 | Legorol | and my bad for saying the makers are portugese when they are brazilian |
| 16:00.09 | Wella | Rofl. K |
| 16:00.27 | alestane | Also, one of its predecessors was called SOL (which *was* an acronym), which happens to mean "Sun" in a variety of languages, including Portugese. |
| 16:00.53 | Wella | Btw in GML (Game Maker Language, lololol) you can use something like "if (not binding)" instead of "if (binding == false)", does the same thing apply to Lua? |
| 16:01.53 | alestane | Sure. |
| 16:01.54 | Wella | i.e. can [ if (binding = "false") ] be replaced with [ if (not binding) ] ? I would guess not but just double checking |
| 16:02.00 | Wella | Oh |
| 16:02.07 | Wella | Thx |
| 16:02.17 | alestane | You can usually do that in C-type languages, too. |
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| 16:02.28 | Wella | Okay |
| 16:02.55 | alestane | In Lua, any expression that works out to either nil or false fails conditions, and anything else passes them. |
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| 16:04.37 | Wella | Right |
| 16:06.10 | Fisker | what was SOL an acronym for? |
| 16:06.53 | alestane | It's also worth noting that because of this, the boolean and/or operators return either their first or second operand, rather than just true or false. |
| 16:07.40 | alestane | Simple Object Language, Fisker. |
| 16:08.26 | Wella | Operand? |
| 16:08.28 | Wella | :/ |
| 16:08.42 | alestane | Operands are the things an operator works on, Wella. |
| 16:09.01 | Wella | Example? |
| 16:09.05 | alestane | So in "A + B", A and B are the operands of the addition operation. |
| 16:09.10 | Wella | Oh. |
| 16:09.39 | alestane | In Lua, "A and B" is A if A is either false or nil, otherwise it's B. |
| 16:09.48 | alestane | lua> nil and 5 |
| 16:09.49 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 16:09.59 | alestane | lua> 2 and 5 |
| 16:09.59 | lua_bot | alestane: 5 |
| 16:10.08 | alestane | lua> false and 5 |
| 16:10.08 | lua_bot | alestane: false |
| 16:10.16 | Wella | ooh |
| 16:10.28 | Wella | Lol k I think I get it. ;) |
| 16:10.38 | alestane | "A or B" works the other way around...it's A unless A is false or nil, hen it's B. |
| 16:11.10 | Wella | K |
| 16:11.13 | alestane | It's used a lot for defaults: "a = a or 10" |
| 16:11.31 | Wella | Also another quick nooby question |
| 16:11.38 | Wella | binding = "false" is the same as binding = 'false' right? |
| 16:12.13 | malreth | i don't wanna say that my wife is out of shape... but she apparently strained a muscle from sitting down last night. |
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| 16:12.23 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:12.35 | malreth | and lunessa misses it |
| 16:12.39 | Shirik_ | wow |
| 16:12.43 | Shirik_ | FAA is moving faster than I thought |
| 16:12.43 | alestane | Yes, Wella, but they're both different from "binding = false" |
| 16:12.46 | Shirik_ | they released a prediction |
| 16:12.53 | Shirik_ | The projection is that such companies as FedEx and UPS may eventually be able to fly commercial cargo sans a flight crew in 20 years; in 30 years, such aircraft may fly passengers from Philadelphia to San Francisco. |
| 16:12.59 | Shirik_ | http://blog.usnavyseals.com/2010/06/are-unmanned-aerial-vehicles-the-planes-of-tomorrow.html#back |
| 16:13.26 | Wella | I see. So, that means I can use "binding = false", then later on use "if (not binding)", since "false" is an actual string instead of just false? |
| 16:13.36 | alestane | http://www.lua.org/doc/hopl.pdf if you're interested, Fisker. |
| 16:13.48 | malreth | people don't trust unmanned trains... i doubt there'll ever be unmanned passenger flight |
| 16:13.52 | Fisker | you Shirik |
| 16:14.02 | alestane | lua> "false" == false |
| 16:14.02 | lua_bot | alestane: false |
| 16:14.14 | Wella | Mm |
| 16:14.21 | alestane | "false" is a string. Which means it's true. |
| 16:14.28 | Wella | Oooh |
| 16:14.29 | alestane | lua> not "false" |
| 16:14.29 | lua_bot | alestane: false |
| 16:14.31 | batrick | Shirik_ is lazy. He hasn't broken batbot in years |
| 16:14.33 | foxlit | This ain't PHP! |
| 16:14.42 | Wella | Then those examples in WoWWiki were misleading lol |
| 16:14.44 | malreth | lua> "false" == true |
| 16:14.44 | lua_bot | malreth: false |
| 16:14.44 | alestane | lua> not false |
| 16:14.44 | lua_bot | alestane: true |
| 16:14.49 | Wella | Thankees |
| 16:14.51 | foxlit | Wella: link. |
| 16:14.58 | Wella | ? |
| 16:15.08 | foxlit | "hose examples in WoWWiki were misleading" << which examples? :) |
| 16:15.12 | Wella | Hm sec |
| 16:15.29 | Wella | Maybe it wasn't WoWWiki |
| 16:15.37 | Wella | I just remember seeing somewhere them using false and true as strings |
| 16:15.48 | Wella | Whatevs |
| 16:15.55 | Lunessa | malreth: You don't want to be strapped into a bullet and fired in a sub-orbital trajectory to land at your destination in 30-45 minutes -- unless there's a pilot on board? |
| 16:16.48 | Kraps | Shirik_: were you able to look for the thing i asked the other time on the previous day? |
| 16:17.42 | foxlit | Hm, interesting. |
| 16:17.51 | foxlit | We just had an awesome 30 seconds of intense rain around here |
| 16:17.54 | foxlit | And then it just died. |
| 16:17.57 | Wella | Was it made of chocolate? |
| 16:18.07 | Lunessa | foxlit: When did you moves to Texas? |
| 16:18.08 | Wella | Did you stay dry? Or feel the pain? |
| 16:18.15 | foxlit | I'm indoors. |
| 16:18.31 | Wella | "Texas raaaain! foxlit stays dry and others feel the pain" |
| 16:18.50 | Lunessa | ~whalenuke Wella |
| 16:18.52 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Wella with his mind powers. |
| 16:18.53 | foxlit | I'm kind of expecting it to resume at the same intensity |
| 16:19.04 | foxlit | But it appears to be holding its breath. |
| 16:19.10 | foxlit | ... and here it goes. |
| 16:19.16 | Wella | Whalenuke? In joke? |
| 16:19.24 | alestane | "There was a short sharp rain of shrimp." |
| 16:20.00 | Lunessa | alestane: Pratchett quotes win you _10 Lunessa rep. |
| 16:20.10 | Shirik_ | Kraps: not yet |
| 16:20.29 | alestane | I can't even track down what book that came from, but I'm confident it's in Pratchett somewhere. |
| 16:20.35 | Wella | Oh, Pratchett |
| 16:20.49 | alestane | So was the "-" key or the Shift key the mistake? |
| 16:21.02 | Wella | Haha |
| 16:21.04 | Lunessa | the shift key naturally. |
| 16:21.41 | Wella | Can I use && instead of and? And ! instead of not, || instead of or, etc? |
| 16:21.49 | Lunessa | Actually, it should have had no excess punctuation, but I was busy noming my chicken nuggets. |
| 16:22.01 | alestane | Not in Lua, Wella. |
| 16:22.05 | Wella | K |
| 16:22.12 | Kraps | omg chicken nuggets! |
| 16:22.21 | alestane | If you're used to GML, it's almost stupidly forgiving. |
| 16:22.24 | Kraps | i lurvs me some |
| 16:22.31 | Wella | Stupidly forgiving? :/ |
| 16:22.52 | alestane | It's full of synonyms that allow you to write functional but utterly unreadable code. |
| 16:22.55 | Lunessa | Kraps: I'm trying not to think about them. But I was hungry, running late, and MikeyD's was on the way to the office. |
| 16:22.58 | Wella | lol |
| 16:23.06 | Wella | Hey, GML is the only 'coding language' I ever learnt very well |
| 16:23.12 | Wella | Unless you want to count HTML/CSS |
| 16:23.49 | alestane | Examples: |
| 16:23.57 | alestane | switch 0begin case 0:x=0break} |
| 16:23.58 | alestane | if a=0then begin b=1}else if a==0{b:=1end |
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| 16:24.18 | Wella | loool |
| 16:24.35 | Wella | You would use the tab and enter keys you know |
| 16:24.52 | Lunessa | blasphemer |
| 16:24.59 | alestane | I have one student who thinks he's a good programmer because GML doesn't rub his face in the things he does wrong. |
| 16:25.11 | Wella | >.< |
| 16:25.33 | Wella | Okay okay I get it |
| 16:25.33 | Lunessa | alestane: Aren't you teaching C this semester? |
| 16:25.35 | Ackis | http://imgur.com/rSDvq.jpg |
| 16:25.35 | alestane | Despite the fact that he programs like it's 1983 and he's writing in BASIC. |
| 16:25.35 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:26.02 | alestane | This quarter, Lunessa, it's game interface design, level design 1 and Director. |
| 16:26.20 | alestane | Only the network students ever take intro C. |
| 16:26.27 | Lunessa | *nod* a job's a job, but ... Director.... EWWWWWW |
| 16:28.15 | alestane | It's a pretty useless class. |
| 16:28.27 | alestane | Anything they do professionally is likely to be in Flash. |
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| 16:29.13 | alestane | I do have a C++ introductory class in a quarter or two. |
| 16:29.16 | Shirik_ | cog|work: |
| 16:29.24 | Shirik_ | do you see what's wrong with this? |
| 16:29.25 | Shirik_ | http://codepad.org/4Gujw4zr |
| 16:29.55 | alestane | Which my students are going to hate. |
| 16:29.57 | Lunessa | alestane: Excellent. Did you you say you were going to make BC this year? |
| 16:30.19 | batrick | Shirik_: you hear what I said?! I called you lazy!! |
| 16:30.21 | alestane | Presently our game design students are all visual arts fanatics. |
| 16:30.52 | alestane | I have plane and hotel reservations for Anaheim that weekend and a guarantee of BlizzCon admission, Lunessa. |
| 16:31.07 | Lunessa | Most excellent. |
| 16:31.09 | alestane | So right now it looks likely. |
| 16:31.20 | Wella | Is there a way to split up the "msg" argument of a slash command into two separate parts? I.e. if the user enters "/wb name key" I want to be able to get the values of "name" and "key" separately. Or is there a work-around for this? |
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| 16:31.38 | Lunessa | Best be ready to get your drink on then. I owe you a few beers at least. |
| 16:31.48 | alestane | A few ways, Wella. |
| 16:31.55 | alestane | The easiest in WoW is |
| 16:32.13 | alestane | string.split(" ", msg) |
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| 16:32.26 | Wella | Ah, I was wondering if there was a way to split the string |
| 16:32.48 | alestane | split is only a member of the string library in WoW, though, not in general Lua. |
| 16:32.57 | Wella | Okay. Thanks. :D |
| 16:33.16 | alestane | You can also use formations like |
| 16:33.34 | Wella | So wait, once msg has been split, what are the names of the two different string variables? |
| 16:33.40 | alestane | for word in msg:gmatch("%S+") do |
| 16:33.50 | alestane | Whatever you assign them to. |
| 16:33.58 | alestane | stringsplit returns all the resulting strings. |
| 16:34.04 | Wella | Ok |
| 16:34.07 | Wella | Hm# |
| 16:34.17 | alestane | local name, key = string.split(" ", msg) |
| 16:34.32 | Wella | Of course >.< |
| 16:35.45 | Wella | Lol my wowuidev tab's title is stuck at "Activity!" xD |
| 16:36.45 | Wella | For control + G, for example, is it written as "Ctrl-G" or "Ctr-G"? |
| 16:38.26 | alestane | In where? |
| 16:38.41 | Wella | SetBinding() |
| 16:38.50 | alestane | Of those two choices, generally the former anyway. |
| 16:38.52 | Lunessa | Usually CTRL-G |
| 16:39.05 | alestane | In SetBinding, the convention is to use "CTRL-G". |
| 16:39.10 | Wella | Ok. thanks |
| 16:39.12 | alestane | Not sure if it cares about case. |
| 16:39.23 | Wella | I'll test that |
| 16:39.39 | Kraps | is true blood good? |
| 16:40.45 | Lunessa | Kraps: It's a hokey show, but... what's her name shows a lot of skin and that keeps me enterainted. |
| 16:41.04 | Kraps | i see |
| 16:41.13 | durcyn | it's vampire porn for people who aren't quite stupid enough for twilight |
| 16:42.00 | Maldivia | Lunessa: Anna Paquin? |
| 16:42.16 | alestane | "Fools rush in, so here I am, awfully glad to be unhappy." |
| 16:42.22 | Lunessa | Maldivia: Yeah. Had to look up her name. She floats my boat. |
| 16:42.34 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 16:42.55 | Maldivia | Lunessa: so the VILF campaign wasn't for you :) |
| 16:44.08 | Kraps | durcyn: dont call me stupid |
| 16:44.21 | Lunessa | Maldivia: I don't know what that is. |
| 16:44.40 | durcyn | Kraps: don't engage in mindless pop culture then :( |
| 16:44.48 | alestane | Do a replacement on MILF, Lunessa. |
| 16:44.54 | Maldivia | Lunessa: one of the teaser posters HBO did was a blood red poster that only said VILF |
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| 16:45.15 | Kraps | durcyn: its fun sumetimes |
| 16:45.23 | Lunessa | Ahh. |
| 16:45.57 | durcyn | Kraps: oh, don't get me wrong, i've watched every episode of true blood, but i ain't gonna pretend it's high-minded. |
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| 16:46.06 | Lunessa | I don't watch the show regularly. I'll watch it if I catch it while surfing. And considering I don't have HBO, that's not often. |
| 16:47.33 | Maldivia | wondering if this season of true blood will be "too gay" for the viewers |
| 16:47.36 | Wella | What is wrong with http://wowuidev.pastey.net/137594-2tui ? If I type "/wb Lifeblood 8", all I get is the message in the chat window. |
| 16:47.53 | Wella | (I.e. it doesn't bind, and it also doesn't close the editbox) |
| 16:48.28 | Kraps | durcyn: you havent read twilight then |
| 16:48.39 | durcyn | Kraps: does watching the rifftrax while drunk count? |
| 16:48.48 | Kraps | lol |
| 16:48.49 | Maldivia | Wella: enabled lua errors in the interface options? |
| 16:48.55 | Wella | oshit sec |
| 16:49.03 | theorbtwo | True Blood -- comprable to Buffy at all? |
| 16:49.10 | alestane | If it's not closing the box, you have an error. |
| 16:49.14 | Maldivia | no |
| 16:49.18 | durcyn | theorbtwo: no, there's no comedy to it at all |
| 16:49.19 | alestane | !api SetSpellBinding |
| 16:49.20 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'SetSpellBinding'. |
| 16:49.28 | theorbtwo | Ah. |
| 16:49.29 | Wella | "Message: Interface\AddOns\wBind\wBind.lua:6: attempt to call global 'SetSpellBinding' (a nil value)" |
| 16:49.29 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: yes, yes it does. |
| 16:49.32 | alestane | !api SetBindingSpell |
| 16:49.33 | lua_bot | SetBindingSpell: Binds a key combination to cast a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetBindingSpell) |
| 16:49.41 | Wella | Oh |
| 16:49.45 | theorbtwo | tries to remember if he's seen any of it. |
| 16:49.54 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane: well not intentional =P |
| 16:50.17 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: er, i meant that in reply to "durcyn > Kraps: does watching the rifftrax while drunk count? |
| 16:50.20 | NightHawkTheSane | " |
| 16:50.21 | alestane | So your error is probably "Attempt to call global 'SetSpellBinding' (a nil value)" |
| 16:50.21 | Wella | Thanks for that, I just got the name wrong |
| 16:50.31 | Wella | Indeed |
| 16:50.41 | Wella | Well hooray, my first extremely basic addon is created XD |
| 16:51.31 | alestane | /cheer |
| 16:51.42 | Wella | Thanks to you, rofl. <3 |
| 16:51.43 | alestane | ...Excuse me... |
| 16:51.47 | alestane | /cheer! |
| 16:51.50 | Wella | Hahahaha |
| 16:53.12 | Kraps | durcyn: the most enjoyable part of the series was in the forth book, where it alternates viewpoints between bella and jacob. jacob is so full of snarky bitterness, and its a great change of tone from the rest of the series. |
| 16:53.46 | Kraps | also: werewolves > vampires |
| 16:53.57 | durcyn | Kraps: i honestly have no desire to read it, hear about it being read, have the act of reading it described to me, or suffer with the knowledge that stephanie meyer is still alive and breathing somewhere |
| 16:53.57 | Wella | Also: Ninjas > Werewolves |
| 16:55.21 | alestane | I found some mystery book based around the premise thae Jane Austen is a vampire running a modern used-book store and trying to get her newest manuscript published under a different name. |
| 16:55.38 | alestane | Didn't check it out, but I was amused by the concept. |
| 16:55.57 | Lunessa | Stephanie Meyer - writing teen-angst porn for other middle-aged women. |
| 16:57.22 | alestane | I presume it's working out for her. |
| 16:57.31 | Kraps | ^ |
| 16:58.27 | Kraps | "The idea of a rogue who sticks to the shadows, suddenly lunging out to stunlock and execute an unsuspecting target works well for single-player RPGs but not for MMO PvP" |
| 16:58.46 | Wella | Where did you quote that from? |
| 16:59.21 | Kraps | ghostcrawler |
| 16:59.49 | Wella | Oh k |
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| 17:03.07 | miica | what kinda image files those textures should be? |
| 17:03.12 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25399849992&sid=1 |
| 17:03.59 | alestane | Are you referring to something earlier, miica? I can't place your question. |
| 17:03.59 | Wella | Textures for SharedMedia should be in .tga I believe |
| 17:04.11 | Wella | Although WoW uses .BLP for all its default textures. |
| 17:04.27 | miica | any .tga is ok? |
| 17:04.36 | Wella | The dimensions need to be of a power of 2 |
| 17:04.41 | Wella | For example 256x256 |
| 17:04.44 | miica | ok |
| 17:04.45 | Wella | or 512x64 |
| 17:04.56 | Wella | See alsetane, it helps to understand bad grammar |
| 17:04.59 | Wella | *alestane |
| 17:05.27 | alestane | The sentence is perfectly function grammar. |
| 17:05.35 | alestane | Just "those" is completely unclear. |
| 17:05.40 | alestane | functional* |
| 17:05.48 | Wella | Damn, you corrected yourself |
| 17:05.53 | miica | :P |
| 17:05.54 | Wella | Well whatever, I understood, you didn't. :D |
| 17:06.28 | alestane | My hangup is that I can often guess what I thin they meant, and it's probably right, but I will almost always try to clarify rather than assume. |
| 17:06.47 | Wella | I like to assume, because there's a chance of being right and saving time ;) |
| 17:06.56 | Wella | *it |
| 17:07.02 | Wella | **me |
| 17:07.02 | Wella | >_> |
| 17:07.32 | alestane | Except that the payoff when you're right doesn't usually justify the incredible confusion that can arise when you're wrong ;) |
| 17:08.05 | Wella | If you're wrong, the person who asked the question will usually get confused and try to ask the question in a different way |
| 17:08.08 | Wella | From my experience, anyway. |
| 17:08.13 | Wella | And don't you ";)" ME, good sir. |
| 17:11.17 | Lunessa | Seriously? W. T. F ? http://xkcd.com/752/ |
| 17:12.01 | miica | http://sylttytehdas.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/johannaiho1803ppvihl3.jpg and http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2302354/WoWScrnShot_061110_201131.jpg |
| 17:12.04 | miica | what you think? :D |
| 17:12.16 | Wella | Epic |
| 17:12.50 | miica | i am sure our officers will love it <3 |
| 17:13.38 | alestane | Whre are you breaking down, Lunessa? |
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| 17:14.54 | Lunessa | Either there's an entire lesbian sub-text that's being poorly told, or the storm chasing thing is the real bit and I miss the connection. |
| 17:15.26 | Shirik_ | :< |
| 17:15.26 | Shirik_ | This can't be good |
| 17:15.27 | Shirik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.41 | batrick | Anyone here good with perl? Need a quick one perl command that generates 512 MB of zeroes to stdout. |
| 17:15.42 | alestane | I think he implies a potential lesbian subtext and then substitutes something else for it. |
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| 17:16.04 | Shirik_ | batrick: |
| 17:16.15 | batrick | what |
| 17:16.24 | theorbtwo | batrick: perl -e 'print "\0"x(512*1024*1024)' should do it. |
| 17:16.33 | Shirik_ | "0" x (512 * 1024 * 1024) |
| 17:16.41 | Lunessa | alestane: Not up to his usual standards of funny/interesting |
| 17:16.43 | batrick | will that generate a huge string in memory first? |
| 17:16.45 | theorbtwo | Drop the \ if you meant '0', not a null. |
| 17:16.47 | batrick | (i'd rather avoid that) |
| 17:16.48 | Shirik_ | yeah |
| 17:16.49 | theorbtwo | batrick: Yes. |
| 17:16.53 | Shirik_ | did you mean zero or null? |
| 17:17.02 | batrick | nul characters |
| 17:17.08 | batrick | (doesn't matter actually) |
| 17:17.26 | theorbtwo | perl -e 'print "\0" for (0..512*1024*1024-1)' then. |
| 17:17.29 | alestane | No, Lunessa, not one of his luminaries. |
| 17:17.31 | Shirik_ | I guess you could loop |
| 17:17.31 | Shirik_ | yeah |
| 17:17.41 | batrick | theorbtwo: thanks much |
| 17:17.49 | theorbtwo | You could also take a middle path. |
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| 17:18.54 | Shirik_ | wow |
| 17:18.54 | Shirik_ | fu batrick |
| 17:19.03 | batrick | what'd i do now |
| 17:19.06 | batrick | other than call you lazy |
| 17:19.10 | batrick | (which you are! |
| 17:19.11 | batrick | ) |
| 17:19.25 | Shirik_ | I helped! |
| 17:19.39 | batrick | you didn't actually give me a command to run |
| 17:19.46 | batrick | therefore |
| 17:19.50 | batrick | theorbtwo > Shirik_ |
| 17:20.09 | batrick | (but thanks for trying Shirik_ ) |
| 17:21.04 | batrick | theorbtwo: print adds a newline doesn't it? :) |
| 17:22.10 | theorbtwo | batrick: No, why would it? |
| 17:22.24 | batrick | i dunno, because Lua does |
| 17:22.56 | batrick | nvm though, this script I'm running was going slower (I was trying to speed it up) |
| 17:23.00 | batrick | might just be the network though |
| 17:23.23 | batrick | I thoguht it might have been because i was sending twice the data (because of extra newlines) |
| 17:24.58 | batrick | well, increasing the size of the string to "\0"x1000 made it go much faster |
| 17:25.15 | batrick | 512e6 print commands is apparently slow :D |
| 17:25.17 | theorbtwo | Yeah, that's what I meant by the middle path. |
| 17:25.35 | batrick | oh, I thought you were going to give me some odd line of perl that would be "the middle path" |
| 17:25.39 | batrick | got ya :) |
| 17:26.04 | Cide | you'd want "\0"x1024 obviously! |
| 17:26.22 | batrick | I used "\0"x1000 |
| 17:26.33 | Cide | then that's not quite 512mb! |
| 17:26.39 | batrick | because a megabyte is 1e6 not 1024^2 :) |
| 17:26.55 | Cide | psh |
| 17:26.58 | Cide | maybe in your upside down world |
| 17:27.07 | batrick | !g megabyte |
| 17:27.09 | batbot | batrick: Megabyte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabyte> |
| 17:27.12 | Cide | don't make me sic mibi on you |
| 17:27.15 | Kalroth | batick more like seagatrick |
| 17:27.16 | batrick | ^ herd wisdom agrees |
| 17:27.25 | Kalroth | +r somewhere |
| 17:27.37 | Kalroth | 1 megabyte will always be 1024^2! |
| 17:27.42 | Cide | 1048576 bytes (10242, 220): This definition is most commonly used in reference to computer memory, |
| 17:27.44 | Cide | OH NO |
| 17:27.47 | Cide | DID I WIN |
| 17:27.54 | batrick | negative |
| 17:27.55 | Kalroth | nods. |
| 17:27.58 | batrick | someone defaced that wiki page |
| 17:28.01 | batrick | was probably shirik |
| 17:28.50 | Fisker | omg |
| 17:28.52 | Fisker | my name is horrible |
| 17:28.56 | Fisker | Hello＿/P> |
| 17:28.56 | Fisker | This is an automated notification regarding your Battle.net account. |
| 17:29.50 | Lunessa | http://failblog.org/2010/06/10/epic-fail-photos-statue-fail-7-2/ |
| 17:30.14 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/kQk61.jpg <-i like where this is going |
| 17:31.02 | batrick | lol |
| 17:33.14 | alestane | "This can only end in trouble. Drunken, hung-over trouble." |
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| 17:35.03 | alestane | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=515 the first appearance of Hannelore. This character exhibits several traits inconsistent with her eventual development. |
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| 17:36.44 | miica | where i find those blizzard default textures? |
| 17:36.48 | miica | like this one http://wowprogramming.com/BlizzArt/BUTTONS/CancelButton-Up.png |
| 17:37.03 | Lunessa | alestane: - http://clientsfromhell.net/post/681304312/why-i-love-craigslist |
| 17:38.23 | Maldivia | miica: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466 -- use that to install/extract the default UI textures from the game |
| 17:39.10 | miica | This webpage is not found. :< |
| 17:39.56 | Maldivia | sure you copy-pasted it correctly then ? |
| 17:39.59 | Elkano | ~framexml |
| 17:40.00 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 17:40.11 | miica | Maldivia: your link was correct :P |
| 17:40.18 | miica | Maldivia: blizzard dowloand link wasnt :D |
| 17:40.27 | Maldivia | ohh |
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| 17:43.34 | cog|work | "Was this solution helpful to you?" "No... the links don't work" |
| 17:44.06 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 17:44.09 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/kQk61.jpg |
| 17:44.25 | cog|work | miica: pc version? http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/AddOn%20Kit.exe |
| 17:44.51 | miica | :/ |
| 17:46.52 | miica | need to make own button D: |
| 17:48.41 | Lunessa | Sexism is alive and well: http://tfl.nu/tx6g |
| 17:52.02 | Lunessa | And... to clear the palette: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piPyfqAKf6o |
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| 17:53.58 | airtonix | Fisker, u mad ? |
| 17:54.28 | Fisker | y so mad airtonix ? |
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| 17:55.03 | airtonix | i r confuzd |
| 17:55.13 | airtonix | Lunessa, i dun gedit |
| 17:55.35 | miica | it is so dman ugly :D |
| 17:55.58 | Seerah | http://poorlydressed.com/2010/05/13/fashion-fail-the-family-that-treks-together/ |
| 17:56.52 | miica | i did realy ugly close button.. |
| 17:57.08 | airtonix | Lunessa, isnt that comedian an old guy now ? |
| 17:57.19 | airtonix | he looks strangely familiar |
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| 17:58.43 | airtonix | amg look at those haircuts! |
| 17:58.50 | Lunessa | Larry Miller plays in lots of movies. |
| 17:59.26 | Seerah | Lunessa: I found something for you: http://poorlydressed.com/2010/05/02/fashion-fail-youll-drink-anything-she-serves/ |
| 18:00.19 | Lunessa | Seerah: That's... frightening. What's even more frightening is that innocent little you thought to link it. :P |
| 18:00.32 | Seerah | I was browsing |
| 18:00.47 | Lunessa | You saw that and said, Lunessa would LOVE this. :P |
| 18:00.55 | zenzelezz | browsing your photo library? |
| 18:00.56 | Seerah | and I just couldn't resist. I love to make people smile :p |
| 18:00.57 | Lunessa | You were not wrong. |
| 18:00.59 | Gintaro | Woooo! New season of Penn & Teller! |
| 18:03.50 | Fisker | old |
| 18:03.52 | Lunessa | So, at some point during BlizzCon, if you hear me yell "We're driving to Florida!" you'll understand. |
| 18:04.05 | Fisker | i'm driving to florida |
| 18:05.10 | airtonix | lol |
| 18:06.46 | Adys | wine-1.2rc3 released |
| 18:06.50 | Adys | champagne, it's the last RC |
| 18:07.24 | airtonix | ? |
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| 18:18.38 | Fisker | you can suck it airtonix |
| 18:20.08 | alestane | Not that I find that offensive, Seerah (except perhaps to good taste in general), but it probably deserved at least a borderline NSFW tag. |
| 18:20.55 | Duman | heh |
| 18:21.39 | Fisker | you deserve a nsfw tag alestane |
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| 18:21.56 | alestane | Speaking of NSFW tags... |
| 18:22.01 | cog|work | all this NSFW talk and MoonWitch appears |
| 18:22.08 | cog|work | jinx? |
| 18:22.10 | cog|work | >< |
| 18:22.13 | alestane | Jinx, cog|work, you owe me a beer. |
| 18:22.59 | cog|work | i have Wailua Wheat or organic Mothership Wit... |
| 18:23.18 | alestane | ...too much programming... |
| 18:23.37 | alestane | I see "Wailua" and think it means "Hurray for Lua!" |
| 18:26.35 | Kraps | hey |
| 18:26.39 | Kraps | hey you |
| 18:26.54 | Lunessa | HEY! no beer/booze talk in the specific - I can't have a drop for another 3+ hours. |
| 18:27.52 | Kraps | i'm bored |
| 18:28.25 | alestane | Thats okay, Lunessa, it would take me at least eight hours to collect from him. |
| 18:28.38 | Lunessa | Long drive. |
| 18:29.04 | Kraps | http://www.gamevance.com/?lp=444&a=226&aid=K-1932538-632880-298166 is blocked because it is currently categorized as: Spyware / Malware Sources Pay to Surf Games |
| 18:29.08 | Kraps | lolololol |
| 18:30.08 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/from-the-mouth-of-babes-part-2/5769 |
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| 18:40.57 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:43.38 | n3mesis125 | hey guys, im having issues with savevariables, seems when i logout nothing gets dumped. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/137596 |
| 18:44.01 | cog|work | Your ToC file would be more informative |
| 18:45.10 | cog|work | also, there's really no reason to wait until PLAYER_LOGOUT to do these things. Just keep the table full of the most current data as it changes and it will be saved on logout |
| 18:45.17 | n3mesis125 | toc: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/137597 |
| 18:45.42 | cog|work | fwiw toc is 30300 not 30303 |
| 18:47.39 | cog|work | also, i assume that code you posted first is just an example not your actual source file? |
| 18:48.03 | cog|work | because that's not how you set up an event handler... |
| 18:48.04 | n3mesis125 | im just using that for testing |
| 18:48.11 | n3mesis125 | i got that code snippet online |
| 18:48.24 | n3mesis125 | im trying to figure out how to setup handlers |
| 18:48.28 | cog|work | that if() statement runs at the time the file is loaded, not when the event fires |
| 18:49.42 | n3mesis125 | hmm i must of edited this last night while tired haha |
| 18:49.46 | n3mesis125 | i forgot the setscript |
| 18:50.07 | cog|work | that'll probably fix it :) |
| 18:50.08 | n3mesis125 | shoudl of put the if in a local function eventHandler(this,event,...) |
| 18:50.26 | n3mesis125 | then had the setscript('OnUpdate', eventHandler) ? |
| 18:51.01 | cog|work | yep. you can even define the function right in the call to set script. e.g. f:SetScript('OnEvent', function --[[do stuff]] end) |
| 18:51.34 | cog|work | (oh and it's OnEvent not OnUpdate) |
| 18:51.34 | cog|work | OnUpdate script fires every time the screen is redrawn |
| 18:51.58 | cog|work | err... function(this, event, ...) --[[do stuff]] end |
| 18:52.35 | n3mesis125 | nice |
| 18:52.39 | n3mesis125 | ill try that and hope it works |
| 18:52.46 | n3mesis125 | i know last night i was up until like 5am lol |
| 18:52.55 | n3mesis125 | bashing the keyboard |
| 18:53.10 | n3mesis125 | basiclaly what im planning on doing is dumping online/offline and achieve type data on logout |
| 18:53.31 | n3mesis125 | then building a VB App that reads the lua files and will be a wow online/offline program |
| 18:53.34 | n3mesis125 | for friends/guildies |
| 18:54.15 | n3mesis125 | essentially it should be somewhat accurate if all guildies use it, since someone has to go offline/reload ui, etc within a day to update statues |
| 18:54.26 | n3mesis125 | statuses* |
| 18:59.03 | n3mesis125 | some reason cog, when i logout it doesn't save still, just puts TSBGuildConfig = { |
| 18:59.03 | n3mesis125 | } |
| 18:59.04 | n3mesis125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.28 | Lunessa | Wouldn't it just be easier to get the data from Armory? |
| 19:02.31 | NightHawkTheSane | mmmm.. calzones & soccer... |
| 19:02.53 | Lunessa | Got world cup games on the monitor here in the office. |
| 19:03.31 | miica | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2302354/WoWScrnShot_061110_220310.jpg |
| 19:03.39 | Fisker | your sons dog |
| 19:03.58 | alestane | Any wowprogramming.com wiki editors around? I have a syntax question. |
| 19:04.06 | n3mesis125 | armory shows online statuses? |
| 19:04.14 | miica | you can move frame when you press head |
| 19:04.34 | Lunessa | No. You said achievements. :) |
| 19:04.54 | n3mesis125 | oh |
| 19:05.04 | n3mesis125 | im more looking for online/offline info :) |
| 19:06.30 | Kraps | lo soccer |
| 19:06.35 | Kraps | lol* |
| 19:07.35 | mikma | miica: mitä nyt vittua |
| 19:07.44 | miica | :o |
| 19:07.44 | mikma | miica: heitä toi tuksu ny vittuun |
| 19:07.59 | miica | why dont you like johanna :< |
| 19:08.47 | mikma | why don't i hate her is the question |
| 19:08.48 | cog|work | alestane: http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax might help? |
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| 19:09.18 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAZ9xia4KWA |
| 19:09.33 | alestane | Trying to specify a group of arguments that need to be either all included or all omitted. |
| 19:10.03 | alestane | The arguments are described in a table, but I need a description of available fields or a good example from the existing docs. |
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| 19:13.07 | MoonWitch | out of curiosity -- which IDE do you prefer (and no, not for lua, there are far enough programmers in here who have to use IDE's) |
| 19:14.01 | alestane | I used CodeWarrior ages ago. |
| 19:14.19 | NightHawkTheSane | I use netbeans here at work |
| 19:14.20 | alestane | Also been exposed to Turbo Pascal and Turbo C++ in similar periods. |
| 19:14.44 | alestane | The only current ones I've been exposed to are Xcode and Visual Studio. |
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| 19:15.29 | cog|work | visual studio |
| 19:15.30 | Adys | âË»/ This is Bob, copy & paste him on |
| 19:15.41 | Adys | /ââÅ every comment you see so he can |
| 19:15.46 | Adys | / \ take over the world. |
| 19:15.53 | Adys | Bob just got UTFPWND |
| 19:16.00 | cog|work | unless you're dogmatically anti-MS it's the best IDE out there imo. |
| 19:16.31 | Maldivia | depends what you're developing |
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| 19:16.41 | Amarande | okay, this is puzzling me |
| 19:16.42 | cog|work | well yeah, but that's true for any ide |
| 19:16.44 | Amarande | reading up on fire magecraft |
| 19:16.47 | MoonWitch | yeah I was using VS2010 BUT --the win mobile doesn't support 2010 yet :( |
| 19:16.51 | Amarande | *why do you downrank flamestrike*? |
| 19:17.00 | Amarande | I thought downranking went the way of the dodo |
| 19:17.11 | Amarande | however, fire mages seem to be advised to use both rank 8 and rank 9 flamestrikes |
| 19:17.15 | MoonWitch | So thank you guys and gals :) |
| 19:17.58 | Maldivia | Amarande: perhaps both area of effects can be active at the same time, and the damage between them is not that far |
| 19:18.07 | cog|work | alestane: which api? |
| 19:18.31 | alestane | region:IsMouseOver([top, left, right, bottom]) |
| 19:19.04 | Adys | Maldivia, yeah they can |
| 19:19.08 | cog|work | I would just list them as separate parameters. The signature is enough to indicate they're all or nothing |
| 19:19.10 | alestane | The offsets weren't documented and I'm trying to add them. |
| 19:19.12 | Adys | its a common aoe trick |
| 19:19.17 | Adys | but aoe as fire is so retarded |
| 19:19.18 | cog|work | oh |
| 19:19.22 | n3mesis125 | hmm, do you have to output data to default_chat_frame in order for it to save variables? |
| 19:19.39 | cog|work | and you can clarify in the remarks |
| 19:19.40 | alestane | Trying to figure out the right description for an optional group. |
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| 19:19.52 | cog|work | check out SetPoint? |
| 19:20.01 | alestane | That might work. |
| 19:20.17 | Maldivia | Adys: figured that was the case :P |
| 19:20.20 | alestane | I've been trying to think of an API function with a comparably variable prototype. |
| 19:20.59 | alestane | Ah, no that one has nested optional parameters. |
| 19:21.06 | cog|work | actually, that isn't right |
| 19:21.08 | Maldivia | SetTexCoord? |
| 19:21.20 | alestane | Can you call it with nothing? |
| 19:21.34 | Maldivia | hmm, no |
| 19:21.44 | cog|work | it's supposed to be more like SetPoint("point" [, relativeTo[, relativePoint]] [, xOffset, yOffset]) |
| 19:22.02 | n3mesis125 | this is so frustrating lol |
| 19:22.06 | n3mesis125 | stupid save variables |
| 19:22.09 | cog|work | i don't know if there's any good way of representing it |
| 19:22.16 | cog|work | maybe use two lines with an "or" ? >< |
| 19:22.26 | Maldivia | yeah, was about to suggest an "or" as well |
| 19:22.46 | Legorol | n3mesis125: you need to list the variables, that you want to save, in the addon's .toc file |
| 19:22.51 | Legorol | and make sure they are global variables |
| 19:23.01 | Fisker | lol oh my god |
| 19:23.04 | Legorol | other than that, you don't do anything else to get them to save |
| 19:23.06 | n3mesis125 | i do have it |
| 19:23.08 | Fisker | 3D Realms = GREATEST TROLLS EVER |
| 19:23.14 | n3mesis125 | but the thing is the variable is an array |
| 19:23.15 | Maldivia | alestane: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexCoord <-- uses "or" |
| 19:23.23 | Legorol | n3mesis125: that doesn't matter |
| 19:23.30 | n3mesis125 | ill post what i have to show u |
| 19:23.33 | Legorol | sure |
| 19:23.37 | Fisker | http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/64233 <-this is pretty akward timing if anyhting |
| 19:23.43 | Amarande | yeah well, now Take Two is basically trying to steal the Duke franchise |
| 19:23.45 | Amarande | Take Two sucks worse |
| 19:23.48 | alestane | Yes, Maldivia, but I don't know how to cleanly make () one of the choices. |
| 19:23.57 | Fisker | was Amarande |
| 19:24.21 | Amarande | *designers should own franchises, not publishers* |
| 19:24.29 | Fisker | of course |
| 19:24.36 | Fisker | but it's pretty lol they settle now |
| 19:24.36 | Amarande | a 'verse is the baby of its creator, to give it to a publishing company to own is a disservice to creation |
| 19:24.36 | n3mesis125 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/137598 |
| 19:24.40 | Fisker | given the recent fake |
| 19:24.45 | alestane | If I give it region:IsMouseOver() or regionMouseOver(t, l, b, r), it lists "nil" as an argument. |
| 19:25.04 | Fisker | but fuck i hate Take 2 |
| 19:25.09 | Fisker | game would've been out now |
| 19:25.26 | cog|work | alestane: the signature line is WYSIWYG. Just make it Region:IsMouseOver() or Region:IsMouseOver(top, left, right, bottom) though i think the way you wrote it above is just as clear |
| 19:25.39 | Amarande | unless I'm missing an important point, such as that in this economy, it might soon be necessary to think that publishers should own franchises, so that they can monetize them better and better convert resources into necessary funding for the economy |
| 19:26.24 | alestane | I can't type into it, cog|work. |
| 19:26.34 | cog|work | oh ... nm |
| 19:26.48 | alestane | I think it's constructed from the other fields. |
| 19:27.23 | Legorol | n3mesis125: and what is the issue you are having? |
| 19:27.40 | n3mesis125 | the savedvariables file just has TSBGuildConfig = {} |
| 19:27.44 | n3mesis125 | doesn't seem to store anything |
| 19:29.39 | n3mesis125 | basically i want it to store like: TSBGuildConfig = { [playername] = { [status] = 'online', [Stamp] = 'stamp' } } |
| 19:30.30 | Legorol | are you sure you are actually managing to put any valid data in TSBGuildConfig? |
| 19:30.40 | n3mesis125 | thats what im not sure of |
| 19:30.47 | n3mesis125 | does it look right in my paste file? |
| 19:30.50 | n3mesis125 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/137598 |
| 19:31.16 | n3mesis125 | the updatefriends just loops through the guild roster |
| 19:31.48 | n3mesis125 | and at that point im trying to shove the data into tsbguildconfig |
| 19:35.00 | eidolarr | I am trying to remove the checked texture from a checkbox |
| 19:35.12 | eidolarr | i'm doing button:SetCheckedTexture(button:GetNormalTexture()) |
| 19:35.25 | eidolarr | it works as expected, except that it appears to hide the button until i mouseover it (and trigger highlight) |
| 19:35.32 | eidolarr | after the first mouseover the button works fine |
| 19:36.05 | eidolarr | what's the deal? |
| 19:40.08 | n3mesis125 | omg i got it to work woot |
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| 19:44.56 | Fisker | i recall saying something about always betting on duke |
| 19:46.42 | alestane | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 19:50.47 | alestane | I suppose I could just list it as four nested optional arguments. It would look ugly, but missing arguments are just filled in with zeros AFAIK. It would come out as :IsMouseOver([top [, left [, bottom [, right]]]]) |
| 19:51.55 | miica | stupid slider :(( |
| 19:51.56 | Kraps | does the /who list have a cap per search? |
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| 19:54.24 | Lunessa | However many entries the frame can hold. |
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| 19:56.24 | Kraps | is there a limit? |
| 19:56.27 | kd3 | 49 |
| 19:56.46 | kd3 | that's the number of results the server will give. I expect the frame can hold more |
| 19:56.51 | Kraps | balls |
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| 19:58.11 | foxlit | SendSystemMessage(mesage) |
| 19:58.12 | foxlit | cheaters. |
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| 20:01.22 | Lunessa | Hey, their code is "signed" - they don't /have/ to follow the rules. |
| 20:02.08 | Kraps | [W From] [80:Abbatorr]: it sed you picketpocked some gold from me is that true or was it just bs? |
| 20:02.43 | Kraps | Lunessa: KT still seems unstable |
| 20:03.04 | Lunessa | Kraps: LOL |
| 20:03.12 | Kraps | :/ |
| 20:03.19 | Kraps | what did i say |
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| 20:23.15 | Lunessa | the timing of your last two things made it seem like you were making a mental health joke. |
| 20:23.25 | cog|work | anyone else having trouble getting into wow? |
| 20:24.18 | cog|work | also holy authenticator hack, batman... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=11110 |
| 20:28.05 | alestane | foxlit, the biggest problem with chunk names has to do with how secure closures are cached. |
| 20:28.29 | alestane | They're stored for re-use by the signature and body strings. |
| 20:28.48 | foxlit | alestane: Mm, so I hypothetically run into problems if someone else decides to use my exact code for something |
| 20:28.58 | foxlit | That seems unlikely :) |
| 20:29.09 | alestane | So if the same snippet got called from somewhere else, it would have the same chunk name as the first time it was loaded, regardless. |
| 20:29.20 | alestane | Or if you called the same code from two places. |
| 20:29.50 | foxlit | Which is fair enough -- I'm mostly concerned about the larger "function" snippets that are likely to have the same semantics. |
| 20:30.25 | alestane | That's just the tech support forum, cog|work. |
| 20:31.00 | Kraps | cog|work: "U know that Big red button that says dont press, Guess wat they did" |
| 20:31.22 | alestane | But knowing Iriel and myself, foxlit, I can't see us putting in a bandaid that wasn't clean. |
| 20:31.40 | Ackis | DERP |
| 20:31.56 | Ackis | I'm just a small town girl |
| 20:32.04 | Ackis | Living in a lonely world |
| 20:32.25 | Fisker | i told you Ackis |
| 20:32.28 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 20:32.29 | Fisker | always |
| 20:32.44 | Ackis | duke sucks |
| 20:33.19 | Fisker | maybe |
| 20:33.23 | Fisker | but you can always bet on him |
| 20:33.24 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:33.26 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 20:33.33 | foxlit | alestane: "Clean" is expensive. |
| 20:33.46 | alestane | I don't deny that. |
| 20:33.46 | cog|work | alestane: yes... did you see the wall of "authenticator removal" threads? Seems like a bunch of compromised accounts have been getting authenticators added to prevent the victims from resetting the password, etc. |
| 20:33.59 | foxlit | Which makes it unlikely -- why mess with something that already works? |
| 20:34.01 | |Jelly| | cog: they've been doing that forever |
| 20:34.04 | miica | mikma: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2302354/WoWScrnShot_061110_233344.jpg :D |
| 20:34.10 | |Jelly| | adding authenticators, that is |
| 20:34.10 | cog|work | kk |
| 20:34.42 | foxlit | The "clean" solution wouldn't be to attach chunk names, but to store proper information about the restricted call stack, and allow us to pass string labels when we invoke :Run*. |
| 20:34.45 | alestane | When I revisited the forum, yes, some of it was more visible. |
| 20:35.00 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25399740111/how-to-exploit-wow-s-loot-roll-system/ |
| 20:35.15 | foxlit | Then, once the restricted pcall crashes, figure out where in the secure stack we were, and build the callstack for those levels based on your own tracking rather than debugstack() |
| 20:35.37 | alestane | If WoW ever moves to Lua 5.2, I might consider it. |
| 20:36.10 | |Jelly| | Kraps: lol |
| 20:36.13 | foxlit | I'm not sure I catch the connection :) |
| 20:36.27 | alestane | THe biggest reason is that they're fixing xpcall. |
| 20:37.06 | alestane | So I could more easily pass in temporary specialized error handlers. |
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| 20:38.54 | foxlit | Meh. Thankfully, it's only once in a blue moon that RE code actually requires debugging. |
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| 20:39.09 | foxlit | Cheers for thinking about it, though :) |
| 20:39.26 | alestane | huggles Lopeppeppy. Busy day? |
| 20:40.10 | alestane | Actually, foxlit, the challenges of debugging RE code are the specific reason we hacked print back into WoW Lua. |
| 20:40.31 | foxlit | Nothing you couldn't do with :CallMethod |
| 20:40.48 | alestane | CallMethod was a late addition. |
| 20:40.58 | foxlit | Though perhaps s/that/ s/that my/ is in order. |
| 20:41.34 | Lopeppeppy | smashes things with rocks. Cranky day. |
| 20:41.40 | alestane | Editing print statements in or out may be messy, but at least it makes debugging *possible*. |
| 20:41.45 | Lopeppeppy | 2+ hours with my ND. Looooong appointment is long. |
| 20:41.50 | alestane | Oh, my toes! |
| 20:42.03 | alestane | Was it productive at all? |
| 20:42.22 | foxlit | lua> loadstring("--foo\nreturn bar();")(); |
| 20:42.23 | lua_bot | foxlit: [string "--foo..."]:2: attempt to call global 'bar' (a nil value) |
| 20:42.28 | foxlit | Ha. |
| 20:42.30 | Lopeppeppy | .... ish. No change to foods. New supplements today, more arrive on Tuesday. GRRRRRR for no more food. |
| 20:42.50 | alestane | Which is what you really wanted. |
| 20:43.10 | foxlit | Yes, that'll do |
| 20:43.48 | foxlit | lua> loadstring("--foobarbazquxquuxcorgegraultgarplywaldofredplughxyzzythud\nreturn bar();")(); |
| 20:43.48 | lua_bot | foxlit: [string "--foobarbazquxquuxcorgegraultgarplywaldofre..."]:2: attempt to call global 'bar' (a nil value) |
| 20:44.06 | foxlit | A relatively long cutoff, too <3 |
| 20:44.24 | alestane | We got a complaint at one point that the secure closure loader rejects snippets that have comments with the word "function" in them. |
| 20:44.56 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:45.04 | NightHawkTheSane | is there a command i can use to open a nautilus window to a specific directory? |
| 20:45.07 | Fisker | did you bet on duke Lopeppeppy ? |
| 20:45.20 | foxlit | Yeah, it probably does that. |
| 20:45.38 | alestane | We can't allow new function construction (hence :Run and :RunFor), so we screen out the keyword, but we don't bother checking whether it might be in functional code or not. |
| 20:45.49 | Lopeppeppy | No, I always put my money on the crown princess, Fisker, she's a dirty fighter. |
| 20:46.26 | alestane | I suppose we could compile it, dump it and scan the bytecode for closure creation, but that's pretty have just to allow people to put the word 'function' in comments. |
| 20:46.31 | foxlit | I wonder if you actually need that requirement. |
| 20:47.01 | foxlit | It may be that as long as you can keep the user-defined functions from ever being accessible outside of RE, they'll be okay. |
| 20:47.13 | foxlit | Though that gives you a different set of edge cases to check. |
| 20:49.30 | alestane | We considered trying to control the 'borders' of secure environments and decided that was about as reliable as real-life border patrol is at stopping illegal crossings. |
| 20:49.49 | alestane | So we just don't allow actual functions to exist inside. |
| 20:50.03 | alestane | The concern was about the possibility of shared upvalues IIRC. |
| 20:50.59 | alestane | If a function could be created with a table upvalue, for instance, and could be called by insecure code, it could return that table to the caller, which could then use it as a vehicle for communication. |
| 20:52.13 | Fisker | you should bet on duke Lopeppeppy |
| 20:52.18 | foxlit | At the moment, however, it seems like you do have relatively effective border control. |
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| 20:53.30 | alestane | Actually, finding newproxy allowed us to do a number of things we couldn't have otherwise.' |
| 20:53.46 | alestane | Or at least made them easier. |
| 20:54.37 | alestane | At one point we were using a table for the secure proxy on private environments, which meant we had to wipe them before each run against the possibility that rawset had been used on them. |
| 20:55.03 | alestane | Not having to do that made us feel much safer about allowing insecure code to access and read from private environments. |
| 20:55.12 | kd3 | speaking of UI stuff, are we ever going to get movable unit frames? |
| 20:55.18 | foxlit | It seems strange that you'd use the insecure handles for anything. |
| 20:55.40 | alestane | Is who going to, kd3, and movable how? |
| 20:55.54 | kd3 | like the focus frame |
| 20:56.03 | kd3 | in the default ui |
| 20:56.31 | alestane | It is so trivial to move them through scripts or add-ons, kd3, that I don't think it will ever be a priority to integrate an interface for moving them around. |
| 20:56.37 | foxlit | Having them solely as "here's a read-only gatekeeper to the RE" seems like a viable alternate solution -- you wouldn't care about rawset because that would make the client screw only itself. |
| 20:56.59 | kd3 | notices the lack of a real interface, outside of a checkbox, on the focus frame |
| 20:57.07 | kd3 | >.> |
| 20:57.54 | alestane | It also comes down to their design philosophy, kd3. Focus is a semi-advanced feature. People who are using it have probably been around the block at least once. |
| 20:58.32 | alestane | While it may not be completely realistic, the concern's been brought up that beginners will "lose" fundamental forms or move them without being sure how they did. |
| 20:58.57 | alestane | And waste tech support's time trying to get them back the way they were. |
| 20:59.11 | kd3 | don't we already have a "reset to default" button? |
| 20:59.20 | foxlit | Not a good one, nope. |
| 20:59.35 | foxlit | We're still in "Delete your Interface,WTF,Cache folders" land for that. |
| 21:00.03 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 21:00.05 | Fisker | always bet on duke |
| 21:00.12 | alestane | Anyway, foxlit, back in the very early designs I was trying to make a bulletproof perimeter defense for restricted environments, and you basically can't. |
| 21:00.25 | kd3 | dook sucks |
| 21:00.34 | Fisker | naw |
| 21:00.40 | Fisker | you can always bet on him kd3 |
| 21:01.01 | alestane | The actual environment for the restricted closures still has to be a table, and there are all sorts of ways to try and compromise its secrecy. |
| 21:01.45 | alestane | In 5.2, any value can be used as an environment, so if we ever make the switch (not terribly likely), I might try to reexamine the mechanisms. |
| 21:02.24 | kd3 | PlayerFrame:SetClampedToScreen(true) ? |
| 21:03.18 | kd3 | finishes idly pondering and goes back to data sorting |
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| 21:06.07 | foxlit | I thought I solved that problem (preventing tampering with tables you must have read access to) earlier for an unrelated project, but I really haven't looked too closely at whether it actually covers everything. |
| 21:07.05 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5560618/homefront-may-not-scare-you-but-it-should-impress-you |
| 21:07.22 | alestane | The principle challenge comes in because __index and __newindex metamethods are not invoked for keys the target already has (if a table). |
| 21:08.31 | alestane | Which is why newproxy turned out to be great when it was pointed out, because rawset does not work on it. |
| 21:10.07 | foxlit | alestane: I'm not sure whether that actually poses a problem for me -- I basically don't care what you do to proxy table given to you to allow access to the table you can't have direct access to. |
| 21:10.30 | foxlit | If you want to rawset a key/value pair, you'll just lose your own access to the corresponding key/value pair in the other table. |
| 21:11.12 | alestane | I think we regarded that as a problem because at the time for some reason we were also using the proxy tables as the actual environments. |
| 21:11.26 | alestane | I don't remember why anymore, and we dropped that in the final implementation. |
| 21:14.08 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 21:14.11 | Ackis | Fisker! |
| 21:14.14 | Ackis | Fisker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:14.39 | Ackis | how do you wake up lady gaga? |
| 21:14.48 | Ackis | you poke poke her face! |
| 21:14.50 | Ackis | AHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 21:14.54 | |Jelly| | wow |
| 21:15.11 | foxlit | surely po-po-poke |
| 21:18.13 | DWSR | http://is.gd/cLVHz <-- Blood Services and Twilight next to each other. Ironic? |
| 21:18.50 | Fisker | no Ackis |
| 21:18.53 | Fisker | bet on duke or gtfo |
| 21:21.28 | Lunessa | Fisker must be code for "poorly implemented mimetic device" |
| 21:22.54 | Fisker | betting on duke just works Lunessa |
| 21:24.00 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, blood. |
| 21:24.02 | Lopeppeppy | Mayhem. |
| 21:24.05 | Lopeppeppy | smash!! |
| 21:24.42 | Kraps | speaking of gaga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=055pyHT_XNM#t=5m52s |
| 21:24.49 | foxlit | Hm, the stormwind lighthouse is kind of lame. Has a beam of light, but the tower iself is virtually black |
| 21:25.56 | alestane | sends Peppy bubble wrap. |
| 21:25.56 | Fisker | did you bet on duke Kraps ? |
| 21:26.06 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 21:26.17 | Kraps | duke is dead |
| 21:26.23 | Fisker | nope |
| 21:26.24 | Kraps | i shot him |
| 21:26.29 | Fisker | nope |
| 21:26.33 | Fisker | you can always bet on duke |
| 21:30.23 | alestane | "The wide adoption of Lua in games came as a surprise to us. We did not have game development as a target for Lua. (Tecgraf is mostly concerned with scientific software.)" |
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| 21:31.41 | Fisker | LUA* |
| 21:33.48 | alestane | force-feeds Fisker a large trout. |
| 21:34.23 | cog|work | cries at all the people calling free functions in C++ methods |
| 21:34.57 | cog|work | puts quotes around "methods" |
| 21:35.49 | NightHawkTheSane | frees cog|work |
| 21:36.09 | Cide | the java disease? |
| 21:37.05 | Lunessa | The more I read class discussions and discussions about future changes - the more I come to believe two facets of human behavior can be distilled into axioms -a) Players all believe they were beaten because some mechanic is slanted solely in someone else's favor and b) Player input about game mechanics always boils down to "Give me the fucking 'I Win' button you fuckers." |
| 21:37.10 | cog|work | java & c# imo |
| 21:37.33 | cog|work | stackoverflow is full of .Net kiddies |
| 21:38.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: you didn't realize this long ago? |
| 21:39.01 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I say this (or a variant of it) every time I re-encounter it. |
| 21:39.17 | Lunessa | ANd I've been involved in games, and game design since the 80s. |
| 21:41.32 | cog|work | Cide: e.g. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3025807/what-are-these-c-statements-doing This person can't even tell what this simple code does because his brain is so infected with that disease |
| 21:41.36 | Fisker | i owned bitches cog|work |
| 21:41.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: really, you can distill this even further: "People are idiots" |
| 21:41.49 | Fisker | why did you do that alestane ? |
| 21:42.00 | cog|work | Fisker: i didn't. my dogs have all been boys |
| 21:42.02 | Cide | rofl |
| 21:42.07 | Cide | (method call?) |
| 21:42.24 | alestane | Because there is frequently no rational response to the things to decide to say, Fisker. |
| 21:44.00 | alestane | things you* decide |
| 21:44.26 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: o_0 you know, I'm really not a c++ person, but thats not exactly complex code. how does someone call themselves a programmer and not understand that? |
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| 21:44.56 | Cide | "show me the code behind it!" |
| 21:44.58 | Cide | arrrr |
| 21:45.01 | Cide | show me the secrits |
| 21:45.02 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: Cide hit the nail on the head. They simply have no concept of functions existing outside an object. |
| 21:45.09 | cog|work | because of java disease |
| 21:45.39 | NightHawkTheSane | eh. im not sure java's the cause behind that. i think it's just poor education. |
| 21:46.03 | Cide | "Does it show that c++ is not my strong suit. Don't tell my boss LOL. â codingguy3000" |
| 21:46.19 | cog|work | actually you just answered exactly why it's java... many educational institutions teach programming with java or java-like oo languages, and never expose them to anything else |
| 21:46.41 | Lopeppeppy | you say expose, like it's a disease |
| 21:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: yeah, but thats not the fault of java, it's the education system. |
| 21:47.10 | cog|work | i wasn't saying java disease was java's fault ;) |
| 21:47.17 | cog|work | it just happens to be the leading cause |
| 21:47.33 | cog|work | err... s/cause/something more appropriate/ |
| 21:47.39 | Cide | they should teach more imperative programming |
| 21:48.29 | Cide | not necessarily C |
| 21:48.30 | cog|work | functional imo |
| 21:48.44 | Cide | we get taught a lot of functional programming |
| 21:48.47 | NightHawkTheSane | all of the above? |
| 21:48.50 | cog|work | ^ |
| 21:49.07 | Cide | well |
| 21:49.16 | Cide | functional programming is nice from a computer science perspective |
| 21:49.37 | Cide | it's not very well used in software engineering afaik though |
| 21:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn |
| 21:49.51 | cog|work | ever heard of the STL? |
| 21:49.55 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:49.58 | Cide | meh |
| 21:50.11 | Cide | in what sense though? |
| 21:50.20 | cog|work | functional concepts have been imported into many many languages |
| 21:50.23 | cog|work | e.g. Linq |
| 21:50.32 | Cide | that's all computer science though |
| 21:50.54 | cog|work | i'm not seeing what you're differentiating i guess... |
| 21:51.24 | Cide | to write software I don't think you need to know any functional programming at all |
| 21:51.52 | Cide | the common functional programming-oriented concepts like map, reduce, filter are all very useful, sure |
| 21:51.53 | cog|work | to write software you dan't need to know any one particular paradigm... but that was the whole point of this discussion. |
| 21:51.58 | Cide | right |
| 21:52.05 | cog|work | you become a better programmer by exposing yourself to multiple paradigms |
| 21:52.08 | Cide | but I'm arguing that imperative and OO are massively more important |
| 21:52.13 | Fisker | hey Cide |
| 21:52.16 | Fisker | did you bet on duke |
| 21:52.17 | Fisker | ? |
| 21:52.19 | Cide | yes |
| 21:52.28 | Cide | I always do Fisker |
| 21:52.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: i disagree, for the exact reason cog|work just said. a greater/wider understanding is more important than just hitting the high notes. |
| 21:52.57 | Cide | well sure |
| 21:52.58 | cog|work | Cide: i'm talking more abstractly... Functional programming is about being able to extract the essence of an algorithm. |
| 21:53.02 | NightHawkTheSane | that's precisely what leads to that stack overflow question :P |
| 21:53.08 | cog|work | not the specifics of map, reduce, etc. |
| 21:53.09 | Cide | all of the above is of course the best |
| 21:53.11 | Fisker | sweet Cide |
| 21:53.19 | Cide | but I think a lot of institutions actually forget about teaching imperative programming |
| 21:53.22 | Fisker | finally someone who is smart enough to bet on duke |
| 21:53.25 | Cide | for example |
| 21:53.32 | Cide | we get to do java into c++ and haskell |
| 21:53.43 | Cide | and optionally asm |
| 21:54.07 | Cide | if you focus on the OO parts of c++ you can easily jump over all aspects of imperative programming |
| 21:55.04 | Cide | which isn't ideal |
| 21:55.17 | Cide | but sure, of course it's better to learn as many paradigms as possible |
| 21:55.47 | cog|work | OO sometimes is nothing more than imperative programming with suit and tie |
| 21:56.07 | cog|work | oh look a giant class with a bunch of static functions |
| 21:56.49 | Cide | yep |
| 21:57.08 | Cide | but then it easily becomes "the singleton OO pattern" ;) |
| 21:57.30 | cog|work | they should teach OO programming in C! |
| 21:57.47 | Cide | clearly |
| 22:03.52 | cog|work | GRRRRR i hate that notalwaysright doesn't have comments |
| 22:04.29 | cog|work | http://notalwaysright.com/a-complete-ba-sket-case/5755 |
| 22:05.21 | cog|work | Italians need to defend their language better. people actually think bruSHETa is the correct pronunciation |
| 22:05.42 | foxlit | Curse has no concept of a plug-in for a specific addon? |
| 22:06.02 | sioraiocht | cog|work: It's true! but whenever I visit the US |
| 22:06.05 | sioraiocht | I say brushetta |
| 22:06.19 | sioraiocht | or, I suppose, in italian it would be spelt "bruscetta" |
| 22:07.22 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 22:11.02 | sioraiocht | otherwise I fear I would get ostracised =p |
| 22:11.08 | sioraiocht | Despite knowing how to pronounce the effing word |
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| 22:31.38 | L4x4t0r | aime la bite |
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| 22:44.06 | Cide | grr |
| 22:45.49 | cog|work | rgg |
| 22:48.12 | MoonWitch | rrg @ cog |
| 22:51.31 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 22:51.33 | Fisker | bitches |
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| 23:00.48 | Cloudwolf | !api party |
| 23:00.48 | lua_bot | Found 32 possible matches for 'party'. Please be more specific |
| 23:01.15 | Cloudwolf | !inparty |
| 23:01.20 | Cloudwolf | !api inparty |
| 23:01.21 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'inparty': UnitInParty, UnitPlayerOrPetInParty |
| 23:01.47 | Fisker | i will fisk you up cog|work |
| 23:01.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (~Wobin@124-171-254-95.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:02.32 | Fisker | also you Wobin |
| 23:03.33 | Fisker | ok? |
| 23:06.34 | Cloudwolf | !api unitinparty |
| 23:06.34 | lua_bot | UnitInParty: Returns whether a unit is a player unit in the player's party (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitInParty) |
| 23:08.41 | Wobin | Indeed, it is I |
| 23:09.24 | Cloudwolf | How would i check if the local player is in a valid party (aka to prevent the bg not in party glitch) |
| 23:09.47 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 23:09.54 | Fisker | did you bet on duke? |
| 23:12.50 | Cloudwolf | !api UnitPlayerOrPetInParty |
| 23:12.51 | lua_bot | UnitPlayerOrPetInParty: Returns whether a unit is in the player's party or belongs to a party member (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitPlayerOrPetInParty) |
| 23:19.08 | Fisker | bitches Wobin |
| 23:24.52 | miica | it is ready! :D |
| 23:24.53 | miica | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2302354/WoWScrnShot_061210_020841.jpg |
| 23:25.22 | Cloudwolf | any one know a good check for that? to see if your in a party so you don't produce the not in party spam when in a bg |
| 23:30.59 | Wobin | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/youarentinapartyfix.aspx |
| 23:31.40 | Dagmar | miica: You need some new fonts, man |
| 23:31.53 | Cloudwolf | wobin not exactly what i was looking for but i might look into it |
| 23:32.09 | Dagmar | Thicker strokes or larger glyphs are needed there |
| 23:32.16 | Cloudwolf | an addon i coded sends messages to party however being in a bg other than arena it glitches and sends that erorr message |
| 23:32.28 | miica | Dagmar: i like that :/ |
| 23:32.55 | Dagmar | I like being able to tell what a letter is when I look at it |
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| 23:38.06 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 23:39.06 | Wobin | Fisker, |
| 23:41.14 | Fisker | did you bet on duke? |
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| 23:55.14 | Fisker | why won't you bet on duke Wobin ? |
| 23:55.28 | Wobin | Cause it's a silly bet? |
| 23:55.47 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 23:55.59 | Fisker | unless the odds made me pay when i won |
| 23:56.04 | Fisker | but i don't think they did |
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