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| 00:12.40 | alestane | A student wrote this on a test and I'm STILL trying to figure out what it's supposed to mean: |
| 00:13.02 | alestane | "It show if you can work beter with other taking the test verse not knowing and having problem deal with it." |
| 00:14.08 | WobWork | a test in.. what? |
| 00:14.08 | alestane | Well, properly it was an assignment in my Instructional Design class. |
| 00:14.08 | WobWork | "It shows that if you can work better with others taking this test, versus not knowing and having a problems, then deal with it"? |
| 00:14.26 | WobWork | maybe they had a dodgy 's' key |
| 00:14.29 | Jerub | WobWork has a better translation than i was going to give. |
| 00:14.56 | WobWork | er 'having problems' |
| 00:20.20 | Fisker | goodnight alestane |
| 00:20.24 | Fisker | not so goodnight WobWork |
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| 00:23.35 | alestane | There's something very deeply wrong with this: http://verydemotivational.com/2010/06/04/demotivational-postersgame-over/ |
| 00:24.01 | WobWork | well |
| 00:24.12 | WobWork | most of what's wrong with that, is no longer deep |
| 00:24.15 | WobWork | just on the surface |
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| 00:32.48 | gain | guys with my question? |
| 00:32.55 | gain | can I hide the health bar in pitbull while casting |
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| 00:41.04 | alestane | Probably. I'm not a replacement specialist, myself; I mostly work on augmenting the stock UI. |
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| 01:19.52 | alestane | http://bobshouseofvideogames.com/2010/06/05/video-game-lols-ugh-jesus-should-call-his-isp/ |
| 01:20.57 | Shirik | my face |
| 01:21.01 | Shirik | why does the sun have to be so evil |
| 01:21.30 | Dashkal | So long as you don't start sparkling in it, all is good |
| 01:25.35 | Shirik | ?? |
| 01:26.40 | WobWork | Twilight reference |
| 01:27.04 | gain | doesn't do creator of pitbull come in here? |
| 01:27.42 | Corrodias2 | doesn't your mother come in here? |
| 01:28.11 | Mr_Rabies | oh snap |
| 01:28.15 | Mr_Rabies | ice burn |
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| 01:29.37 | alestane | ~seen ckknight |
| 01:30.01 | purl | ckknight <~kvirc@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 8h 2m 16s ago, saying: 'got 10 tickets!'. |
| 01:30.02 | Seerah | no purl? |
| 01:30.06 | Seerah | slow :p |
| 01:30.21 | Thunder_Child | dont anger the purl! |
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| 01:33.39 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Seerah |
| 01:33.39 | purl | hooks into a hydrant and hoses Seerah down |
| 01:33.57 | Seerah | ah, thanks. was quite warm and muggy here today |
| 01:34.27 | Shirik | omg they're making a MiB 3? |
| 01:34.35 | Seerah | yes |
| 01:34.40 | Shirik | sweet |
| 01:34.52 | Jerub | there was a 2? |
| 01:34.58 | WobWork | with whatisface? |
| 01:36.05 | Seerah | tommy lee jones |
| 01:36.11 | WobWork | Will Smith |
| 01:36.15 | Seerah | was in both... >.> |
| 01:36.24 | WobWork | TLJ retired after the first, didn't he? |
| 01:36.27 | Seerah | yeah... /me goes back to zoning out in WoW |
| 01:36.53 | Seerah | WobWork: yes, came out of retirement in the second |
| 01:37.01 | WobWork | oh |
| 01:37.05 | WobWork | I totally didn't watch the second |
| 01:37.06 | Seerah | right? |
| 01:37.41 | Seerah | the second was with the alien princess who was tlj's daughter |
| 01:40.17 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 01:40.22 | Shirik | 4chan just failed so hard |
| 01:41.01 | Shirik | (18:34:14) (+Shiibot) !4chan ALERT: Possible Wikipedia attack: http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/236721472 [NSFW] -- report at http://sys.4chan.org/b/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=236721472 |
| 01:41.14 | Shirik | so I post there "We are Wikipedia. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." |
| 01:41.25 | Shirik | "this fag is a moderator, he locks any threads posted here. just delete thread op its gonna fail hard." |
| 01:41.33 | Shirik | (18:39:22) (+Shiibot) All clear. (All watched threads return HTTP status 404) |
| 01:41.39 | Shirik | barely 5 minutes |
| 01:41.41 | Shirik | worst attack ever |
| 01:42.58 | WobWork | it failed hard |
| 01:46.20 | Jerub | Shirik: tee hee |
| 01:46.29 | Jerub | Shirik: so you farm 4chan for hack alerts? |
| 01:46.46 | Shirik | shiibot looks for wikipedia-related threads |
| 01:46.51 | Shirik | and issues warnings and alerts |
| 01:47.04 | Shirik | that way we can lock articles before they even get touched |
| 01:47.10 | Shirik | only lock em for an hour or so |
| 01:47.27 | Shirik | probably could do like 5 minutes and it would be fine but 1 hour is the shortest in the dropdown box and I don't feel like typing out "5 minutes" |
| 01:49.56 | alestane | Because there are people with nothing better to do than to deliberately mess up Wikipedia and then try to validate the vandalisms. |
| 01:52.01 | Shirik | honestly they usually get picked up extremely quickly |
| 01:52.03 | Shirik | we have a lot of good tools |
| 01:52.11 | Shirik | but it's just annoying |
| 02:02.29 | Dagmar | Shirik: Nonono... That is just more reasons why parents need to keep beating their kids. *This* is annoying: http://twitter.com/petterihiisila/status/5205145862 |
| 02:08.30 | Kraps | http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/236721472 is blocked because it is currently categorized as: Pornography Violence / Hate / Racism |
| 02:09.34 | Gnarfoz | all of those apply, at the same time, it's /b/ |
| 02:10.23 | Stanzilla | omg it's Gnarfoz |
| 02:10.33 | Gnarfoz | I'm coming for you |
| 02:10.54 | Gnarfoz | }:O |
| 02:11.03 | Dagmar | The browser should pop up a dialog saying "Do you really want to go to 4chan.org? This action, once performed, cannoy be undone." |
| 02:11.13 | Dagmar | s/cannoy/cannot/; |
| 02:11.46 | Gnarfoz | s/;// |
| 02:13.15 | Dagmar | I terminate my regexps for the same reason I close the fridge and cabinets when I'm done with 'em. |
| 02:14.24 | Kraps | i always get tunnel vision when i get a new piece of gear, which is why i have http://www.wowhead.com/item=40133 instead of http://www.wowhead.com/item=40134 /le sigh |
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| 02:14.31 | Gnarfoz | except that it would have worked, if you hadn't. ;p |
| 02:15.10 | WobWork | Kraps: holy priest? |
| 02:15.18 | Kraps | disc |
| 02:15.23 | WobWork | ah |
| 02:15.28 | Dagmar | God I love the news media here. |
| 02:15.30 | WobWork | which is why the latter would have been better =) |
| 02:15.37 | Kraps | righto |
| 02:15.42 | Dagmar | They're so good at supporting literacy by example. |
| 02:16.50 | Dagmar | "Investigators say 35-year-old Damon Carver from Westmoreland is charged with tape of a child, and aggravated sexual battery." |
| 02:17.56 | alestane | Dagmar, http://www.crispygamer.com/comics/backward/backward-2009-04-30.aspx |
| 02:18.17 | Kraps | Dagmar: http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/cassette-tape-1.jpg ? |
| 02:19.37 | Dagmar | Kraps: I guess so. It's not like the news media can't afford to spend ten seconds proofreading things before putting it on their website. |
| 02:20.00 | Dagmar | alestane: That's just about what I went through when CNN did their first story on ChatRoulette |
| 02:20.59 | Dagmar | I literally called my mom and told her "Mom. It's time we sat down and had a talk about The Internets." |
| 02:21.50 | Shirik | ~wiki User:Devin-Basdekian |
| 02:22.11 | WobWork | wow |
| 02:22.15 | WobWork | can't wait to meet him |
| 02:22.19 | Kraps | Dagmar: i heard that George Bush uses the google |
| 02:23.42 | Dagmar | Kraps: Snorting it doesn't count. |
| 02:29.32 | Kraps | hey Shirik, can i ARV that kid? |
| 02:29.45 | Shirik | lol he hasn't done anything |
| 02:29.55 | Kraps | :( |
| 02:30.15 | Kraps | i like being proactive |
| 02:34.04 | gain | with a font_string object can you do setoutline |
| 02:34.06 | Kraps | thats why i play disc |
| 02:34.23 | Kraps | YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 02:36.02 | gain | !api setoutline |
| 02:36.02 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'setoutline'. |
| 02:36.12 | Antiarc | SetFont |
| 02:36.17 | Antiarc | Third parameter is outline |
| 02:36.19 | Antiarc | IIRC |
| 02:36.25 | gain | hmm I am messing around with pitbull4 |
| 02:36.32 | gain | he does --font_string:SetShadowColor(0, 0, 0, 1) |
| 02:36.32 | gain | --font_string:SetShadowOffset(0.8, -0.8) |
| 02:36.38 | gain | I want to do font_string:SetOutline(blah) |
| 02:36.42 | gain | so there isa black outline around it |
| 02:37.01 | Antiarc | I suspect that's a helper method in the code |
| 02:37.04 | Antiarc | It's not native |
| 02:38.13 | Shirik | kraps |
| 02:38.47 | Kraps | what |
| 02:40.36 | gain | darn ok |
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| 02:42.59 | Seerah | gain: like he said. use fontstring:SetFont(font, size, "OUTLINE") |
| 02:45.02 | Shirik | hi Kraps |
| 02:45.13 | Kraps | ohai Shirik |
| 02:45.42 | DWSR | Is there a compiled list of all SC2 patch notes? |
| 02:46.00 | DWSR | nevermind. |
| 02:46.04 | gain | thats not he he creates it Seerah |
| 02:46.07 | gain | font_string = PitBull4.Controls.MakeFontString(frame.overlay, "OVERLAY") |
| 02:46.08 | gain | :s |
| 02:46.13 | gain | oh wait |
| 02:46.17 | gain | can I do OVERLAYOUTLINE? |
| 02:48.22 | Antiarc | !api setfont |
| 02:48.22 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'setfont': FontInstance:SetFontObject, SimpleHTML:SetFont, Button:SetFontString, SimpleHTML:SetFontObject, FontInstance:SetFont |
| 02:48.29 | Antiarc | !api FontInstance:SetFont |
| 02:48.30 | lua_bot | FontInstance:SetFont: Sets the font instance's basic font properties (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontInstance/SetFont) |
| 02:49.08 | Antiarc | There you go |
| 02:52.32 | Shirik | What is a "penalty rate APR"? |
| 02:52.51 | Shirik | Plan A: Standard Rate APR: 24.24%. Penalty Rate APR: 29.24%. Plan B: Standard Rate APR: 27.99%. Penalty Rate APR: 29.99%. |
| 02:53.27 | Seerah | probably if you don't pay your balances on time |
| 02:54.08 | Shirik | I don't understand the credit industry at all |
| 02:54.17 | Seerah | that's a high APR to begin with |
| 02:54.38 | Shirik | well |
| 02:54.48 | Shirik | it's an APR for a no-intrest plan |
| 02:55.01 | Shirik | one of those "if you don't pay within 1 year we're going to charge you out the ass" type things |
| 02:57.28 | Antiarc | If you have a late payment - even by a day - or go over your credit limit, they'll jack you to the penalty APR |
| 03:02.00 | tekkub | yea since that new law went into effect they had to find new ways to fuck people over |
| 03:02.38 | alestane | Penalty rates aren't new, although I think they've gotten a little more aggressive. |
| 03:08.04 | Seerah | well, since the new law they have to make sure that all of their terms are out in the open and you are well aware of them (instead of hiding somewhere) |
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| 03:16.44 | A-KO | INTERESTING |
| 03:16.48 | A-KO | did WoW change its ports? |
| 03:17.36 | Jerub | A-KO: when? in PTR? |
| 03:17.45 | A-KO | I'm connected to my live realm on port 1119 it seems |
| 03:18.36 | Jerub | A-KO: let me check my logs. what port(s) did you expect? |
| 03:18.54 | A-KO | or rather, port 4000 |
| 03:18.55 | A-KO | I expected 3724 |
| 03:19.01 | A-KO | as that's what it has always been |
| 03:19.15 | A-KO | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.00 | Jerub | just pulling my logs up |
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| 03:20.39 | Jerub | bah, it's hard to filter to the wow servers |
| 03:21.13 | Jerub | truck, my flash isn't working, i can't graph it. |
| 03:21.21 | A-KO | yeah I"m setting up a counter on my firewall log |
| 03:21.23 | A-KO | was gonna do it by port |
| 03:21.39 | borlaq | Hey. Anyone able to help me out with some lua questions, or possibly an addon request :) Nothing big. |
| 03:21.43 | Jerub | A-KO: i have logs going back 6 months |
| 03:21.45 | Seerah | irony: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=229837&id=100000558494751 |
| 03:22.30 | A-KO | Jerub: interesting, it seems it made a connection to 3724 for a brief moment, but is doing everything on 4000 |
| 03:22.39 | A-KO | whereas previously, it used to only do 3724 as a constant connection |
| 03:23.04 | A-KO | yeah I'm getting the counter now @ 4000 |
| 03:23.04 | A-KO | nice |
| 03:24.04 | Jerub | A-KO: i'm seeing more than those two ports, sec. |
| 03:24.33 | Jerub | looks like 1119, 3724, 4000, 6112->6114 |
| 03:24.43 | A-KO | well there's the authentication, not sure on 6112-6114 though |
| 03:24.53 | Jerub | i think that's the updater |
| 03:24.56 | A-KO | not sure what 1119 is |
| 03:25.16 | A-KO | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.42 | Kraps | does recount show absorbs? |
| 03:27.21 | WobWork | only with the addon module |
| 03:27.30 | WobWork | GuessedAbsorbs is one |
| 03:27.34 | WobWork | and there's another... |
| 03:28.04 | WobWork | I wish Blizz exposed a bit more in regards to absorbs though |
| 03:28.12 | WobWork | which I guess they're doing in caty |
| 03:28.26 | Jerub | yeah, i agree |
| 03:28.38 | WobWork | atm, we can only tell if a shield fully absorbed damage |
| 03:28.41 | Jerub | like, i want to know if doing more single target dps in my bear is damaging my survivability. |
| 03:28.44 | WobWork | not partials |
| 03:28.56 | Jerub | (because crit=bubble=absorb) |
| 03:28.59 | WobWork | so absorb numbers are usually overinflated |
| 03:30.18 | borlaq | Anyone want to take a look at this post? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191269 |
| 03:34.02 | dusky | borlaq: check out the UNIT_SPELLCAST_START event. |
| 03:34.21 | durcyn | the CLEU SPELL_CAST_START line should have a target |
| 03:34.34 | Jerub | loading that page gave me a popup ad for poker :( |
| 03:35.05 | borlaq | I got like no idea about LUA, so was wondering if anyone could translate it for me or something like that. |
| 03:35.24 | borlaq | Might be the lack of screen, but looking into LUA, makes my head spin :P |
| 03:35.41 | borlaq | screen = sleep |
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| 03:37.19 | eidolarr | is there an arena frames extension to pitbull4? |
| 03:39.56 | WobWork | borlaq: it appears you're asking someone to write the addon for you =P |
| 03:40.32 | WobWork | we're more likely to show you towards the tools you need, and encouraging you to learn to write it yourself |
| 03:43.32 | Jerub | http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF248-Transmission.jpg |
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| 03:46.46 | WobWork | omg new pbf? |
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| 03:52.29 | eidolarr | anyone know about the pitbull4 question? |
| 03:52.48 | durcyn | first one in over a year >_< |
| 03:53.17 | |Jelly| | eidolarr: I do not believe there is |
| 03:53.50 | eidolarr | |Jelly|: who is the person to ask about why and whether i can write it? |
| 03:53.57 | eidolarr | Shefki? |
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| 04:45.40 | Thunder_Child | if you spellsteal heroism do you get the exaustion debuff? |
| 04:45.59 | eidolarr | you can spellsteal heroism? |
| 04:46.05 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 04:46.34 | eidolarr | i thought you could only spellsteal stuff that can be dispelt |
| 04:46.42 | Thunder_Child | heroism can be |
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| 04:51.01 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: yes I believe you do |
| 04:51.13 | WobWork | but heroism exhaustion is different to bloodlust exhaustion |
| 04:51.41 | WobWork | eidolarr: useful in Faction Champs TOC |
| 05:03.03 | frontendloader | Thunder_Child: it doesn't prevent you from getting bloodlust. |
| 05:03.09 | frontendloader | you do get it though |
| 05:18.19 | Dagmar | Hot damn I like that 20% damage buff in ICC |
| 05:19.19 | Dagmar | I got out-dpsed by a guy wearing >1000 higher gear, but not by much |
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| 05:27.53 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 05:28.13 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 05:29.51 | Sargeras | hallo hun |
| 05:29.57 | Sargeras | expect many hugs this year |
| 05:31.09 | Cairenn | as long as I'm there, you'll get them :) |
| 05:32.10 | Cairenn | Been a really tough weekend, appreciate all the support :) |
| 05:34.09 | Sargeras | <3 |
| 05:34.59 | Jerub | did someone say free hugs? |
| 05:35.32 | Cairenn | hugs Jerub |
| 05:35.36 | Jerub | yaaay |
| 05:36.09 | Thunder_Child | heh, Cairenn gets support by giving hugs |
| 05:36.29 | Cairenn | well yeah, because when you give a hug, you get one back |
| 05:36.41 | Sargeras | its a give-get scenario |
| 05:36.44 | Sargeras | everyone wins |
| 05:37.04 | Jerub | :) |
| 05:37.11 | Jerub | hugs Cairenn |
| 05:37.16 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:37.45 | Jerub | wonders how to expose a video of kitties he can see on his facebook |
| 05:46.14 | WobWork | Jerub: repost under different privacy settings? |
| 05:51.52 | Jerub | WobWork: sommeone else's video |
| 05:52.04 | Jerub | and i don't know how to download it to free it from the facebook page. |
| 05:52.08 | WobWork | use 'share'? |
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| 06:20.58 | zenzio | "Amazon.com is famous for its patented 1-Click ordering system. But what about 1-Nod ordering? Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos is seeking a patent on a system that would let people make purchases with a nod, a smile, or even a raise of the eyebrow." |
| 06:21.00 | zenzio | o_O |
| 06:21.07 | zenzio | "damnit, I did not mean to buy that!" |
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| 06:42.49 | zenzio | I am amused (but not surprised) how many Slashdot commenters are acting pissy because Gizmodo doesn't get to attend WWDC |
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| 07:16.56 | zenzio | "Mysterious Radio Station UVB-76 Goes Offline" - "I have an alternate conspiracy. I reckon they're doing it for a laugh. Every now and then they stop it and broadcast gibberish, just to see what the reaction is. That sounds like the Russians I know." |
| 07:17.38 | Jerub | zenzio: was that a numbers station? |
| 07:17.48 | zenzio | supposedly, yeah |
| 07:17.58 | zenzio | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/06/032235/Mysterious-Radio-Station-UVB-76-Goes-Offline |
| 07:18.00 | Jerub | there's nothing mysterious about numbers stations. |
| 07:18.20 | Jerub | they're oldschool tech for transmitting data to spies with otps. |
| 07:18.23 | zenzio | there's just no official word on what it's for, which as we all know, make it a conspiratorial station! |
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| 07:24.49 | zenzio | "Russian media says the station is switching to soft rock." - "It would be redundant. The uncreative repetition of top 40's these days is no different than "a buzzing sound that lasts 0.8 seconds, pausing for 1â1.3 seconds, and repeating 21â34 times per minute". Mainstream must all wear tinfoil hats, because they already took a page out of UVB-76's book." |
| 07:26.42 | zenzio | heh... "A week or so after last episode of Lost? I think this is pretty obvious." |
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| 08:20.44 | Fisker | zenzio |
| 08:26.02 | Torhal | Fisker: The dog is a lie. |
| 08:27.45 | Fisker | no |
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| 08:34.21 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 08:39.55 | DJJeff | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww0000000000000000000000000000000000000000tttttttttttttttttttttt |
| 08:40.06 | DJJeff | Atlas Addon now avail on curse client |
| 08:40.54 | DJJeff | installed 1.16.1 :) |
| 08:41.20 | Kalroth | who's that? |
| 08:42.24 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 08:43.53 | Kalroth | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ppk-lfuNB8 |
| 08:43.55 | olafski | oh the horror of installing an addon manually :P |
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| 08:48.47 | Adys | Throwing it out there again, anyone who wanted to go to blizzcon and didnt get tickets? |
| 08:51.10 | Elkano | wanting to go? yes. willing to pay? no. :/ |
| 08:51.31 | zenzio | if only I had the money for travel, hotel and so on :-| |
| 08:51.44 | Elkano | (meaning the whole package including flight, hotel, documents, ...) |
| 08:53.20 | zenzio | "Why do they make the part of a credit card where youâre supposed to sign from a material that would make Teflon jealous?" |
| 08:53.32 | Fisker | i will zenzio you |
| 08:53.52 | zenzio | I think I've actually had one or two cards where signing worked... but I left the card lying around a few hours to make sure the ink didn't get rubbed out |
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| 09:02.30 | Fisker | i'm sorry Wobin |
| 09:04.13 | Wobin | You're forgiven, Fisker |
| 09:05.22 | Fisker | you're awesome Wobin |
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| 09:16.29 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/06/04/funny-pictures-survived-the-experiment/ |
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| 09:17.15 | Wobin | woah http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/062010/twilight_mom_of_the_day.jpg |
| 09:17.49 | DJJeff | ~seen Cigawoot |
| 09:18.08 | purl | i haven't seen 'cigawoot', DJJeff |
| 09:18.19 | DJJeff | darn |
| 09:29.08 | DJJeff | ~seen Pazza |
| 09:29.09 | purl | pazza <~Pazza@152.179.30.150> was last seen on IRC in channel #curseforge, 107d 13h 3m 24s ago, saying: 'Anyone ever figure out the tainting source of the blocked ui actions ending with SearchLFGLeave()? A google search shows hits for several addons but no documented findings.'. |
| 09:35.18 | Fisker | ~seen zenzio |
| 09:35.19 | purl | zenzio is currently on #wowuidev (3h 32m 20s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 18m 50s, last said: 'http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/06/04/funny-pictures-survived-the-experiment/'. |
| 09:41.14 | Fisker | Â |
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| 10:06.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | good morning folkses |
| 10:06.14 | zenzio | ahoy |
| 10:14.54 | Fisker | slaps sylvanaar_atwork around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:14.55 | Fisker | slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout |
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| 10:15.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | makes sushi |
| 10:15.32 | pirate | is there a function to return the name of an item using an item number? |
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| 10:16.35 | airtonix | so ccold, need to weaer za golvews |
| 10:16.37 | Fisker | sushis sylvanaar_atwork |
| 10:16.48 | olafski | select(X,GetItemInfo(GetItemLink(itemId))) iirc, pirate |
| 10:16.57 | sylvanaar_atwork | sashamis Fisker |
| 10:16.59 | olafski | where X is the index for item name in GetItemInfo |
| 10:17.10 | Fisker | why would you do that sylvanaar_atwork ? |
| 10:17.20 | olafski | maybe getitemlink isn't needed in that stuff actually ;) |
| 10:17.24 | olafski | @api getiteminfo |
| 10:17.36 | olafski | blegh |
| 10:17.37 | airtonix | Fisker, coz hjes kionky like dat |
| 10:17.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | i still think you are a bot sometimes Fisker |
| 10:18.08 | olafski | pirate: select(1, GetItemInfo(itemId)) was the proper form ;) |
| 10:19.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | Purl |
| 10:19.21 | airtonix | fiskeerBot., next permuetation of alicebot' |
| 10:19.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: hello |
| 10:19.24 | purl | Howdy Bub |
| 10:19.34 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: Fisker is a bot |
| 10:19.35 | purl | ...but fisker is already something else... |
| 10:19.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: Fisker is also a ot |
| 10:19.47 | purl | sylvanaar_atwork: okay |
| 10:19.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | meh |
| 10:19.51 | airtonix | purl: what is fisker |
| 10:19.52 | purl | from memory, fisker is the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll, or a ot |
| 10:20.01 | Fisker | ot? |
| 10:20.04 | pirate | omg |
| 10:20.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: Fisker is not an ot |
| 10:20.06 | purl | ...but fisker is already something else... |
| 10:20.07 | pirate | I'm such a loser |
| 10:20.22 | airtonix | purl: what is pirate |
| 10:20.23 | purl | So forgive me my rough mood unaccustomed to sue; I woo not, perhaps, as your landlubbers do. |
| 10:20.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh well, im not telling her to forget everything |
| 10:20.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: fisker is also a bot |
| 10:20.40 | purl | sylvanaar_atwork: okay |
| 10:20.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: fisker is also not an ot |
| 10:20.56 | purl | sylvanaar_atwork: okay |
| 10:20.56 | pirate | I just spent the past ten minutes or so writing a dunction to go through all my bags looking for a particular item and then counting how many of that item I had. I was quite proud of it. Until I realized there's an api function for that. |
| 10:21.06 | olafski | pirate: :) |
| 10:21.11 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: Fisker |
| 10:21.12 | purl | fisker is, like, the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll, or a ot, or a bot, or not an ot |
| 10:21.14 | airtonix | Orwellian Theologian? |
| 10:21.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 10:21.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: forget Fisker |
| 10:21.50 | purl | i forgot fisker, sylvanaar_atwork |
| 10:21.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | me too |
| 10:22.05 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: Fisker is like, the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll, |
| 10:22.06 | purl | sylvanaar_atwork: okay |
| 10:22.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | godammit |
| 10:22.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | shes going to remember the comma i bet |
| 10:22.26 | airtonix | Fisker, :) |
| 10:22.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: Fisker |
| 10:22.40 | purl | well, fisker is like, the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll, |
| 10:22.40 | Fisker | :O |
| 10:22.40 | theorbtwo | purl: Fisker? |
| 10:22.41 | purl | from memory, fisker is like, the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll, |
| 10:22.44 | Fisker | owned |
| 10:23.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~emulate Fisker |
| 10:23.09 | purl | emulate fisker is, like, "<reply> OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM" |
| 10:23.15 | airtonix | lulz |
| 10:23.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | rofl |
| 10:23.42 | airtonix | ~emulate shirik |
| 10:23.43 | purl | I'll whine about anything |
| 10:23.47 | olafski | I don't know the replies the bot gives to all this, but its usefulness continues to escape me :P |
| 10:23.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 10:24.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl, are you useful? |
| 10:24.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: are you useful? |
| 10:24.25 | airtonix | purl only likes your colon' |
| 10:24.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | purl: are you single? |
| 10:24.39 | pirate | I know it's likely been done, but I'm doing it anyway since it's an addon I want to use and I'm trying to learn to make my own addons... |
| 10:24.57 | sylvanaar_atwork | what addon are you remaking |
| 10:25.09 | pirate | But I want to make an addon that uses the data broker library to display a count of any item I want, for farming purposes |
| 10:25.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | all addons have already been made! its like the app store |
| 10:25.28 | pirate | so when I'm out trying to do my leatherworking I can tell how much light leather I have |
| 10:25.32 | pirate | for example |
| 10:25.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | pirate: thats fine - you have our blessing |
| 10:25.57 | pirate | I want there to be a nice interface where you can drag and drop an item onto it and it'll start tracking that item |
| 10:26.28 | airtonix | i have yet to see an app that acts like computer inventoiryt barcode scanner, (one thar does not check some shopping catalouge) |
| 10:26.40 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:26.47 | pirate | and I want it to be able to track multiple items and have several display options... cycle through each tracked item on a given timeframe for example, or showing the latest one to get an update, or to display the top of the list, and display everything in a tooltip |
| 10:26.56 | airtonix | they ALL do some consumer shit like check an online bookstore or some crap |
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| 10:27.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~emulate sylvanaar |
| 10:27.07 | purl | stack overflow |
| 10:27.17 | zenzio | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 10:27.18 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 10:27.33 | airtonix | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 10:27.33 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 10:27.37 | airtonix | mmm |
| 10:27.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | ~lart zenzio |
| 10:27.41 | purl | beats zenzio over the head with a microkernel |
| 10:27.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | pops the microkernel |
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| 10:29.06 | airtonix | i have this scenario at a workplace where all the employees have iphones or droid phones... and i thought it would sweet to have QR codes stickers as asset tags so that any one of them can get info about the QR code they scan with the phone camera |
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| 10:29.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | cool |
| 10:29.49 | sylvanaar_atwork | qr codes are handy |
| 10:29.51 | airtonix | problem is |
| 10:30.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | i like that you can set the error correction reallly high, then write stuff in the middle of the barcode |
| 10:30.39 | airtonix | at my level of programming, it looks like the droid with ASE is easier to develop for |
| 10:30.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | meh |
| 10:30.47 | airtonix | means i can use lua or python |
| 10:30.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah |
| 10:31.09 | airtonix | i dont have the luxury of jailbreaking the employees iphones |
| 10:31.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | is it an enterprise app? no app store? |
| 10:32.05 | airtonix | as far as my limited knowledge goes about iphones you can only install apps if they've been created in objective c and packages then released to the iphone app store |
| 10:32.06 | sylvanaar_atwork | if so you can develop for iphone in lua or C# or ruby |
| 10:32.13 | airtonix | really ? |
| 10:32.19 | airtonix | without jailbreaking ? |
| 10:32.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | yes |
| 10:32.26 | sylvanaar_atwork | enterprise apps |
| 10:32.38 | airtonix | an iphone can do this ? |
| 10:33.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | which means you sign up for the enterprise developer program - and that gets you the ability to sign for ad-hoc distibution without the 100 user limit |
| 10:33.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | yes |
| 10:33.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | how do you think apple installs its point-of-sale app on the ipod touches in its stores? |
| 10:34.05 | theorbtwo | Hm. Could you use an existing qr code reader app, and just use qr codes with URLs on them that only resolve from inside the firewall? |
| 10:34.13 | sylvanaar_atwork | (we write point-of-sale apps for ipod touch here at work) |
| 10:34.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | yep |
| 10:34.25 | theorbtwo | Avoid writing client-side code at all. |
| 10:34.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | he can do that too |
| 10:34.39 | airtonix | wait i have to pay money to make enterprise apps ? |
| 10:34.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | QRMark lets you do that |
| 10:34.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | you have to pay money for the iphone developer program |
| 10:34.59 | airtonix | lol |
| 10:35.01 | airtonix | fark that |
| 10:35.12 | olafski | what kind of company is it that that small sum of money is an obstacle? :s |
| 10:35.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | you also have to pay money to release apps on the andoid market |
| 10:35.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | sop |
| 10:35.21 | sylvanaar_atwork | so |
| 10:35.25 | airtonix | not with ase |
| 10:35.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | yes |
| 10:35.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | if you use the android market |
| 10:35.41 | sylvanaar_atwork | you pay $25 |
| 10:35.54 | airtonix | not releasing to there. only a local office rollout |
| 10:36.03 | sylvanaar_atwork | how many people? |
| 10:36.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | and why would you care about the cost? wouldn't your employer pay the cost? |
| 10:36.35 | airtonix | not sure but i dont see why i should have to host it at apple or google |
| 10:36.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | you don't |
| 10:37.18 | airtonix | as far as i can see, i can store an APK on my local apache server and point an droid phone at that and have it install it |
| 10:38.46 | sylvanaar_atwork | what about code-signing, im not sure how that works these days on android. if you have to enable self-signing or not |
| 10:39.03 | airtonix | i think you just tick 'install non market apps' |
| 10:39.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | so you have to get all your users to do that |
| 10:39.30 | airtonix | easier than jailbreaking a phone |
| 10:39.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | why would you need to jailbreak anything |
| 10:40.04 | airtonix | to install apps just by pointing the phone at a local webserver and opting to install it |
| 10:40.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | iphone apps can be installed over the air, and be pushed out to phones even |
| 10:41.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | you should research it more |
| 10:41.56 | airtonix | everything i read so far says i need to pay money to do that |
| 10:42.07 | airtonix | where as with the droid i don't |
| 10:42.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | i guess i dont care about the one time cost of the sdk |
| 10:42.51 | airtonix | because you have someone to pay for it/ |
| 10:43.00 | sylvanaar_atwork | you said it was for work |
| 10:43.24 | airtonix | yeah but they aren't going to pay for it... makes the droid apps look more accessible |
| 10:43.24 | sylvanaar_atwork | most businesses have $200 |
| 10:43.53 | Fisker | i farted |
| 10:44.20 | sylvanaar_atwork | airtonix: you should find another employer if they wont pay $200 |
| 10:44.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | lol |
| 10:44.31 | A-KO | I can assure you you'll probably make a much better return on the iphone than the android market |
| 10:45.03 | A-KO | most users use their app market |
| 10:45.12 | A-KO | only the geeks/nerds turn off the code signing |
| 10:45.18 | airtonix | maybe i dont want this app on the market |
| 10:45.28 | A-KO | then you won't make any real $ from it |
| 10:45.41 | airtonix | why is the iphone way of installing apps so consumerish |
| 10:45.43 | A-KO | maybe if you bundled it with another product |
| 10:45.58 | A-KO | or sold it on your already amazing other product website or something |
| 10:46.15 | A-KO | because that's what people want |
| 10:46.41 | A-KO | you don't pay attention to linux do you? Part of the whole reason people rant and rave over Ubuntu and all that is because of their "app market" :P Those apps just happen to be free, but same principle. |
| 10:47.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | actuall the iphone enterprise program costs $300 |
| 10:47.45 | A-KO | You'll get significantly more hits from an app market with an app that targets the lowest common denominator device (I'd say the G1 or maybe at best the Droid), and even more if you go to iphone. |
| 10:47.47 | airtonix | so there is no way to package a lua app for a standard iphone, deployed from a local webserver (say at http://10.0.0.30/tools/scanner.app) and let users in the office just connect via wifi (or even drag n drop the app file into a sdcard then put it in the phone) and install it without : 1) paying apple money 2) hosting it on the app store ? |
| 10:48.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | you arent understanding |
| 10:48.24 | airtonix | ? |
| 10:48.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | you dont have to host on the app store |
| 10:48.38 | airtonix | good but i dont want to give apple any money |
| 10:48.42 | sylvanaar_atwork | you have to pay for the sdk |
| 10:48.45 | sylvanaar_atwork | so |
| 10:49.04 | A-KO | So is your business going to fork out for the droid phones? |
| 10:49.04 | A-KO | if so, then do that |
| 10:49.05 | A-KO | nothing's stopping you |
| 10:49.17 | A-KO | or rather, Evo these days |
| 10:49.19 | A-KO | at $300/phone |
| 10:49.21 | airtonix | the employees bought their own phones |
| 10:49.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | uh-oh |
| 10:49.34 | A-KO | fun |
| 10:49.36 | airtonix | ? |
| 10:50.08 | sylvanaar_atwork | you should just write a web app |
| 10:50.12 | A-KO | yeah |
| 10:50.17 | airtonix | it needs to use the camera |
| 10:50.19 | A-KO | that also works on iphone and droid :P |
| 10:50.28 | sylvanaar_atwork | oh right |
| 10:50.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | then you should just use QRMark |
| 10:50.44 | Fisker | man you should've seen what i did to your sons dog |
| 10:51.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | and configure your qr codes to launch urls |
| 10:51.08 | airtonix | thats the idea |
| 10:51.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | use existing QRCode apps to do it |
| 10:51.25 | airtonix | the rest will be the web app on the local webserver on the lan |
| 10:51.39 | sylvanaar_atwork | there are already plenty of apps that do that |
| 10:51.45 | airtonix | for iphone ? |
| 10:51.48 | sylvanaar_atwork | yes |
| 10:51.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | QRMark |
| 10:52.03 | airtonix | looks like to me that they all go hunting for awesome price deals |
| 10:52.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | i just gave you an example |
| 10:52.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | did you look? |
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| 10:52.57 | sylvanaar_atwork | meh QuickMark |
| 10:53.17 | sylvanaar_atwork | that was the name |
| 10:56.11 | Fisker | hey bleeter |
| 10:56.13 | Fisker | lets kill sylvanaar_atwork |
| 10:56.29 | bleeter | too slow |
| 10:57.48 | airtonix | meh wants money too |
| 10:58.28 | airtonix | i can make a minimal barcode scanner in 6 lines of python for droid... how do i make python apps for iphone without paying apple money / |
| 10:58.32 | sylvanaar_atwork | you know making an app costs money |
| 10:58.59 | sylvanaar_atwork | shrugs |
| 11:02.54 | olafski | all this debating might have cost your boss more than $200 already |
| 11:03.08 | olafski | unless you're doing it on your own time in which case.. ha ha :P |
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| 11:06.57 | pirate | well, I've made progress on my addon |
| 11:08.07 | pirate | I have an addon now that can track items, I can give it new items by using a slash command, and it cycles through the items once a second which is annoyingly often, but can be polished later |
| 11:10.20 | industrial | great! what does it do? |
| 11:10.31 | industrial | /cackle |
| 11:10.54 | pirate | it tracks how many of an item you have on you and in your bank |
| 11:11.06 | airtonix | http://www.saurik.com/id/5 |
| 11:11.13 | pirate | and displays the result using data broker library |
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| 11:17.23 | olafski | good work pirate ;) |
| 11:19.21 | DJJeff | ~seen Zeksie |
| 11:19.23 | purl | zeksie <Zeksie@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust892.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 24d 12h 59m 21s ago, saying: 'Why do they have to completely change arguments.. sure it was bugged before.. but ffs leave it alone!'. |
| 11:19.37 | DJJeff | damn |
| 11:19.43 | DJJeff | hes in charge of XPERL |
| 11:19.52 | DJJeff | he/she* |
| 11:20.55 | DJJeff | alot of these addons including x-perl cant seem to share settings across toons |
| 11:21.07 | olafski | xperl can |
| 11:21.09 | DJJeff | I can spend 2 hours configureing an addon |
| 11:21.21 | DJJeff | then needing todo it again for my other toons |
| 11:21.35 | olafski | in fact xperl does that by default iirc |
| 11:21.52 | olafski | you have to explicitly tell it to use different profiles for every character |
| 11:22.37 | DJJeff | wierd.... cause when im in a raid it will show... group 1 group 2 group 3 ....etc all squished together ill fix it up on my main switch to my alt and its back to its all squishy self |
| 11:23.27 | DJJeff | need an option to "save profile" and "load profile" |
| 11:23.39 | olafski | oO like the ones in the bottom left of the options screen? |
| 11:23.54 | DJJeff | tried that without any luck |
| 11:24.03 | olafski | maybe those are the layouts.. xperl uses two separate settings, one for the frame layouts and one for the settings |
| 11:24.26 | DJJeff | I am talking about the layouts yes |
| 11:24.48 | olafski | http://www.wow-base.com/upload/2009-12/091223104659762.jpg <-- bottom left has layouts, bottom right has "save settings per character" |
| 11:25.14 | olafski | both have always worked for me :P |
| 11:25.57 | DJJeff | ok well.... I have just deleted my saved variables for xperl |
| 11:26.02 | DJJeff | I will try again |
| 11:26.22 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 11:26.25 | Fisker | i might fuck you up |
| 11:26.52 | DJJeff | if you do that he cant update Ackis Recpie List |
| 11:26.53 | DJJeff | X_X |
| 11:27.21 | olafski | as if ackis ever works on that |
| 11:27.30 | pirate | grins. |
| 11:27.52 | DJJeff | was last updated 06/03/2010 :) |
| 11:28.00 | olafski | by whom? |
| 11:28.01 | pirate | I just added a slash command to remove items from the tracked item list :D |
| 11:28.02 | DJJeff | seems pretty recent to me |
| 11:28.27 | airtonix | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man1/qrencode.1.html |
| 11:28.32 | DJJeff | ARL is one of the most often updated addons I use |
| 11:28.44 | DJJeff | 3 times a week probley |
| 11:28.52 | olafski | djjeff: hint: ackis isn't the only author for that addon |
| 11:28.55 | airtonix | ima just forget about creating shit for iphone, main tech guy uses an android anyway |
| 11:29.07 | pirate | if I wanted to make sure that an item number is valid, how would I do that? |
| 11:31.55 | DJJeff | anyone else use... DBM-VictorySound? |
| 11:32.19 | airtonix | how even uses boss mods ? |
| 11:32.25 | airtonix | who? |
| 11:32.25 | olafski | <-- |
| 11:32.42 | airtonix | i use a tamagotchi...bought as close as it gets] |
| 11:32.58 | olafski | haven't played in 2 months but I used to use it ;) |
| 11:33.35 | airtonix | timmy, why did you die in fire ? |
| 11:33.48 | airtonix | timmy : ummm my boss mod died and didnt warn me' |
| 11:33.55 | olafski | must be great to be as awesome as you :) |
| 11:34.04 | airtonix | <raid disbands> |
| 11:34.06 | olafski | silly elitists =) |
| 11:34.31 | DJJeff | boss mods doesnt need to tell me im sitting in fire |
| 11:34.36 | DJJeff | the timers are handy tho |
| 11:34.40 | airtonix | i tried palying blindfolded but my jedi skills still caused me to evade the fire |
| 11:35.28 | airtonix | although when it comes to the nasty "OMGGoldspamIn_Trade.Boss" |
| 11:35.54 | airtonix | i will give thanks for badboy-anti-goldspam-bossmod |
| 11:37.04 | airtonix | or the evil "MuwahahaHereHave_FoUR_HUNDRED_auction.house.reciepts" |
| 11:37.42 | airtonix | the admin is this game kills me |
| 11:43.52 | Fisker | omg airtonix |
| 11:43.54 | Fisker | i killed you |
| 11:44.32 | airtonix | damn yiou and your sly gold[psam |
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| 12:32.28 | Spejnar | When isnt it enough to just reloadui but you actually have to restart wow? Is that for TOC files or lua also? |
| 12:33.00 | Kaso | if you edit your toc file, or if you add any new files or graphics iirc |
| 12:33.12 | Spejnar | alright, thanks |
| 12:35.33 | sylvanaar_atwork | i hope this ipad irc client doesnt suck |
| 12:35.58 | mitch0 | it probably does |
| 12:36.12 | mitch0 | all software sucks. some suck less than the rest |
| 12:36.55 | sylvanaar_atwork | "if i didnt write it is sucks" thats most programmers philosophy |
| 12:37.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | s/is/, it/ |
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| 12:45.09 | sylvanaar_atwork | sylvanaar_ipad: oy |
| 12:45.16 | zenzio | http://www.mmo-champion.com/general-discussions/arathor-stromgarde/msg2977191/#msg2977191 - I approve of this post |
| 12:45.38 | A-KO^ | wow |
| 12:45.44 | A-KO^ | I just had a nostalgic WoW moment |
| 12:45.50 | A-KO^ | I remember when flight paths didn't auto connect |
| 12:45.57 | zenzio | hehe |
| 12:45.59 | zenzio | oh, that was fun |
| 12:46.35 | A-KO^ | someone on a forum I'm on is asking for it to do that |
| 12:46.37 | A-KO^ | lol |
| 12:46.40 | A-KO^ | which made me remember |
| 12:46.54 | zenzio | wait, someone wants to make it work like the old way? |
| 12:47.05 | A-KO^ | yes |
| 12:47.31 | zenzio | that's like... super hard. I mean, you have to NOT select your end destination! |
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| 12:47.31 | A-KO^ | lol |
| 12:47.53 | zenzio | the only thing I'd like is an option to cancel your flight, which would make you stop at the next flight path along the path |
| 12:47.58 | zenzio | for those "damnit!" moments |
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| 12:48.21 | alestane | THat's called "logging out," zenzio. |
| 12:48.33 | zenzio | really? Didn't know that worked |
| 12:49.00 | alestane | When you log back in, you will end your flight at the end of your current flight segment. |
| 12:49.10 | alestane | I think the queue is managed on the client. |
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| 12:50.48 | Kaso | yeah the queue is managed client-side, thats why you also get the coin sound "klunk" after passing each connection point, you haven't paid for the trip until you pass each point. |
| 12:51.07 | zenzio | neat, didn't think of that |
| 12:51.28 | zenzio | that should mean they should be able to easily add a "Cancel" button... but logging out will suffice |
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| 12:51.53 | Kaso | i wish flightpaths had parachutes ;p |
| 12:51.59 | zenzio | that too |
| 12:52.07 | zenzio | but come Cataclysm, we won't need flight paths |
| 12:52.07 | sylvanaar_ipad | that would be cool |
| 12:52.16 | Kaso | its always a kick in the balls when you fly over the point you want to be at to go to the flightmaster at the far far side of the zoe |
| 12:52.18 | Kaso | zone |
| 12:52.41 | sylvanaar_ipad | they should all be like the blimp |
| 12:53.00 | zenzio | yeah |
| 12:53.08 | zenzio | nothing like watching people plummet to their deaths |
| 12:53.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | yeah |
| 12:53.51 | alestane | Once you own your own flying mount, it would be fun to have the flight master just put you on "auto-run" down a flight path track...but if you stopped and went your own way, I think you'd be on your own until you got back to another flight master. |
| 12:53.52 | zenzio | when I started playing and discovered the zeppelin to Tirisfal, I'd see these high-level players jumping off, and decided that I should do that too |
| 12:54.05 | zenzio | but I hadn't yet learned that you weren't always safe doing that \o/ |
| 12:54.28 | zenzio | alestane: that's actually a great idea |
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| 15:09.22 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! || 3.3.5 PTR Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/bY6mEm || AVR broken in 3.3.5 http://cot.ag/aYo2YE || Are you going to BlizzCon? http://tinyurl.com/22kjfxu |
| 15:09.28 | batrick | Shirik: ^ that's why C++ is evil. |
| 15:09.55 | nicoli_s | agrees |
| 15:09.56 | batrick | that was in a header file. default argument variables in the header file (but not in the source!) is evil. |
| 15:10.10 | batrick | eviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil |
| 15:10.18 | alestane | You're not supposed to restate your defaults, are you? |
| 15:10.23 | batrick | i don't know |
| 15:10.25 | Xinhuan | intellisense should show you the default args anyway! |
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| 15:10.29 | alestane | I seem to remember that makes the compiler cry. |
| 15:10.29 | Xinhuan | you can't restate the defaults anyway |
| 15:10.38 | batrick | ya if i were building in a shitty environment like winblows >.> |
| 15:10.43 | batrick | =) |
| 15:10.53 | DWSR | I seem to remember that C++ makes the compiler cry <-- Fix't. |
| 15:11.05 | DWSR | batrick: Relink to batbot's source plz? |
| 15:11.13 | batrick | batbot's source is not public |
| 15:11.17 | batrick | although parts of it is |
| 15:11.42 | zenzelezz | ooh, secrecy |
| 15:11.47 | zenzelezz | so you're the one implementing Skynet? |
| 15:11.47 | DWSR | You linked me a source file to fix so that he'll intepret Google's translator and calc results. |
| 15:12.00 | DWSR | batrick: s/is/are/ btw.\ |
| 15:12.14 | batrick | right |
| 15:12.23 | batrick | http://www.batbytes.com/google.lua |
| 15:12.29 | batrick | still there :) |
| 15:12.40 | DWSR | Thanks, lost the link |
| 15:13.35 | DWSR | batrick: What the hell are you doing with the Youtube stuff? |
| 15:13.46 | batrick | what about it? |
| 15:14.13 | xanax` | thanks for your help Legorol and Xinhuan |
| 15:14.19 | DWSR | What exactly does it do? Obviously I'm missing a bunch of helper functions. |
| 15:14.47 | batrick | the youtube pattern simply appends "site:youtube.com" to the query iirc |
| 15:14.51 | zenzelezz | DWSR: most people don't know what Youtube does! |
| 15:15.02 | DWSR | batrick: But what triggers it? |
| 15:15.13 | batrick | !youtube evil chipmunk |
| 15:15.14 | batbot | batrick: YouTube - Dr. Evil Dramatic Chipmunk <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBRI3iHmLys> |
| 15:15.22 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 15:15.28 | zenzelezz | !youtube cairenn |
| 15:15.29 | batbot | zenzelezz: YouTube - FAIRY DANCE <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-NRmbS6eA8> |
| 15:15.32 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 15:15.32 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 15:15.37 | zenzelezz | someone topic that |
| 15:15.42 | DWSR | Someone please topic that. |
| 15:16.10 | DWSR | Oh jesus. |
| 15:16.16 | DWSR | I just about fell out of my chair. |
| 15:16.17 | cog|work | <ozzie>CAIRENN</ozzie> |
| 15:16.57 | cog|work | Track listing.... 5. Mo Cairenn |
| 15:18.55 | alestane | And she's not even connected. |
| 15:19.20 | zenzelezz | logs it |
| 15:19.37 | DWSR | I did. |
| 15:19.45 | DWSR | Someone put that in the quotes please. |
| 15:20.00 | zenzelezz | I think Adys handles those |
| 15:20.20 | DWSR | Adys: Quote plz ^^ |
| 15:20.37 | cog|work | ~wowiquotes |
| 15:20.38 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 15:20.56 | MoonWitch | is it wrong to join a guild to hit on someone? |
| 15:21.10 | alestane | Define "wrong." |
| 15:21.24 | MoonWitch | a bad idea, not nice, ... |
| 15:21.26 | cog|work | define someone |
| 15:21.36 | MoonWitch | bisexual girl |
| 15:21.37 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 15:21.41 | MoonWitch | hot girl btw |
| 15:21.51 | cog|work | i see no problem with that. though I may be biased... |
| 15:22.12 | MoonWitch | why are you biased? |
| 15:22.20 | MoonWitch | Did you meet your wife through wow? |
| 15:22.23 | alestane | Is this person planning on ditching the guild after they've finished hitting on her? |
| 15:22.29 | MoonWitch | well |
| 15:22.39 | DWSR | MoonWitch: Pics or gtfo. |
| 15:22.40 | zenzelezz | do we get pics? |
| 15:22.44 | zenzelezz | damnit DWSR |
| 15:22.48 | MoonWitch | It's my previous guild, which I left cuz I was pretty much the only one logging on :) |
| 15:22.48 | DWSR | ;) |
| 15:22.50 | cog|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.55 | DWSR | My internet-fu is on point. :P |
| 15:22.55 | cog|work | 'cause i'm a hetero guy |
| 15:22.56 | MoonWitch | And I am the person ... |
| 15:22.57 | cog|work | :P |
| 15:23.26 | DWSR | MoonWitch: Pics or gtfo. :P |
| 15:23.32 | alestane | That was the implication, yes, but I figured I shouldn't do your work for you. |
| 15:23.55 | MoonWitch | once I have pics, I will share |
| 15:24.04 | MoonWitch | < webcam of webcam :P |
| 15:24.16 | MoonWitch | (I have co-conspirators in said guild) |
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| 15:24.58 | cog|work | Cairenn: <3 |
| 15:25.04 | MoonWitch | I talk about hot women .. in walks Cairenn |
| 15:25.05 | zenzelezz | everyone do the fairy dance! |
| 15:25.06 | Adys | zenzelezz: teomyr does |
| 15:25.12 | MoonWitch | did you hear your name Cairenn? |
| 15:25.13 | Adys | i just paste him stuff |
| 15:25.21 | MoonWitch | does the fairy dance. |
| 15:25.32 | alestane | !youtube Cairenn |
| 15:25.33 | batbot | alestane: YouTube - FAIRY DANCE <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-NRmbS6eA8> |
| 15:25.41 | Adys | yeah got it |
| 15:25.44 | alestane | Look what we found! |
| 15:25.58 | DWSR | Cairenn: ^^ |
| 15:26.00 | MoonWitch | i have to go eat |
| 15:26.01 | MoonWitch | but |
| 15:26.07 | MoonWitch | <3 Cairenn :) |
| 15:26.11 | DWSR | MoonWitch: Eat what exactly? ;);) |
| 15:26.16 | DWSR | Anyway, have fun. |
| 15:26.25 | MoonWitch | Soup, but thank you for dragging my mind back to the gutter |
| 15:26.25 | Cairenn | hugs everyone |
| 15:26.26 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 15:26.44 | MoonWitch | purrs @ Cairenn |
| 15:27.15 | cog|work | mmm... nothing like a pineapple energy drink with hot sauce to start the day |
| 15:29.38 | alestane | There is nothing quite as refreshing as hay. |
| 15:32.12 | DWSR | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/unskippable/1755-Nier <-- Read Hamlet. It'll book punch your enemies. |
| 15:33.53 | foxlit | last week's. |
| 15:34.18 | DWSR | still funny. |
| 15:34.47 | Cairenn | fairy dance is pretty |
| 15:36.23 | Cairenn | anyone care to tell me how the fuck you can still be drunk, yet be hung over, at the exact same fucking time? |
| 15:36.47 | cog|work | i could, but it would bore you |
| 15:36.50 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: mad skills |
| 15:37.20 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: apparently I has them |
| 15:37.34 | zenzelezz | this is not newsa |
| 15:37.35 | zenzelezz | -a |
| 15:37.40 | Cairenn | :p |
| 15:37.50 | zenzelezz | you young girls spend all night out drinking |
| 15:38.12 | alestane | I do remember one of my friends saying that he had gone to sleep drunk and gotten up still drunk some seven hours later. |
| 15:38.30 | alestane | Hangover is mostly dehydration IIRC. |
| 15:38.34 | Cairenn | I don't know how long I was 'asleep' |
| 15:38.40 | xanax` | i noticed some functions are syntaxed this way : FaraFrames_ChangeColorExample() ... with the _ between words.. is it important ? or can I use any name for a function ? |
| 15:38.51 | Cairenn | but yeah, I'm 1/2 hung over, 1/2 drunk |
| 15:38.56 | Cairenn | still |
| 15:39.01 | Cairenn | or something |
| 15:39.10 | Cairenn | pardon me, I need to go throw up now |
| 15:39.26 | alestane | "First hangover?" "Oh nay...but 'tis the first time I've been awake when the drunk turned to hangover." |
| 15:39.34 | alestane | holds Cairenn's hair. |
| 15:40.27 | cog|work | dehydration + toxicity from the breakdown products of the alcohol |
| 15:41.32 | DWSR | I am back. This time on my android. |
| 15:41.36 | cog|work | at least explain most of the symptoms... they still haven't been able to figure out the headaches and sensitivity to light & noise yet, last time I checked |
| 15:41.52 | DWSR | Go go andchat |
| 15:41.53 | cog|work | of course they haven't really figured out headaches in any context |
| 15:43.17 | cog|work | The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog: http://media.fukung.net/images/29208/tumblr_l3ay5z4VXd1qziulwo1_250.gif |
| 15:43.21 | DWSR | Anyway. batrick you apparently can't get access top the special results from the API that you're using |
| 15:43.34 | batrick | i figured as much |
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| 15:43.42 | Adys | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 15:43.45 | cog|work | station |
| 15:43.46 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 15:43.47 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 15:44.26 | Lunessa | station indeed. |
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| 15:50.09 | alestane | LimeChat needs a way to hide or collapse a image so I don't have to watch that over and over and over in the background. |
| 15:50.18 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 15:50.32 | jnwhiteh | I'm sure you could easily do that with css/theme |
| 15:50.34 | alestane | There doesn't even appear to be a command to clear the scrollback. |
| 15:50.34 | jnwhiteh | not sure tho |
| 15:50.53 | alestane | To all images, yes, no doubt. |
| 15:51.01 | DWSR | Batrick why not write a calculation function? |
| 15:51.04 | alestane | But probably annoying to switch in and out of. |
| 15:51.19 | DWSR | alestane: /clear? |
| 15:51.44 | alestane | Well, that does work. |
| 15:52.06 | alestane | But it feels silly to clear the whole buffer for that one image. |
| 15:52.13 | alestane | Also, now I can't see anything. |
| 15:52.19 | DWSR | Lol |
| 15:52.26 | DWSR | Get a better client. |
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| 15:52.48 | DWSR | Get a better client. |
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| 15:53.44 | alestane | Yeah, that wasn't worth it unless there's also some /unclear command I don't know about. |
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| 15:54.19 | jnwhiteh | report the issue to the developer |
| 15:54.28 | jnwhiteh | seems to be the most straightforward manner of dealing with it. |
| 15:55.58 | DWSR | Or get a better client. |
| 15:56.08 | DWSR | That's the better way. |
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| 15:58.43 | ckknight | hey, is there any way to tell what region a character is playing on? e.g. EU vs. NA |
| 15:59.01 | alestane | From where? |
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| 15:59.19 | ckknight | from inside the game |
| 15:59.21 | ckknight | through Lua |
| 15:59.30 | alestane | You can get the locale for which your client is set. |
| 15:59.38 | zenzelezz | hug Lopeppeppy |
| 15:59.39 | alestane | Hugapeppy! |
| 15:59.42 | ckknight | yea, but you can play on EU servers with an enUS client |
| 16:00.08 | alestane | How go hold Cairenn's head up for her, the poor lady's wretched this morning. |
| 16:00.12 | alestane | Now* |
| 16:01.55 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, guys. |
| 16:02.08 | Lopeppeppy | dutifully brings Cairenn some water. Hydration is always good. |
| 16:02.19 | Lunessa | Morning Peppy. |
| 16:04.34 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi to you. |
| 16:10.47 | |Jelly| | Someone has declined the dungeon invite. You have been returned to the front of the dungeon queue. <-- those people should be given the 30 min debuff |
| 16:11.04 | Lunessa | No. |
| 16:11.26 | |Jelly| | Yes. Pay attention or pay the consequences. I'm tired of getting five of those in a row. |
| 16:11.45 | |Jelly| | And by 'declined' I mean it timed out. |
| 16:15.26 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 16:15.32 | jnwhiteh | Fisker |
| 16:15.37 | Fisker | what would you say about the security on last year's Blizzcon? |
| 16:16.01 | jnwhiteh | the guy I raped in the middle of the keynote would probably say that security and awareness was lacking, but I felt it was an acceptable level. |
| 16:16.41 | Fisker | well if you can rape a guy then i'm sure i can assassinate Shirik |
| 16:17.02 | alestane | checks jnwhiteh's forehead. |
| 16:17.08 | A-KO^ | Fisker: The security is there, but I would think no more than any other major event that takes place. |
| 16:17.08 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: I thought we had something special. But all you wanted was to hear my screams. |
| 16:17.29 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: fetishes are a terrible thing, especially when you succumb to them in a public place =( |
| 16:17.34 | jnwhiteh | you shouldn't have asked to be spanked. |
| 16:17.57 | Lunessa | But, but, but you slipped me roofies. |
| 16:18.18 | Lopeppeppy | The topics I come in to. You guys are most seriously not being funny. Find another joke? |
| 16:18.35 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: the fairy dance! |
| 16:18.38 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: it was a poor choice of working, my apologies. |
| 16:18.52 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, jnwhiteh. *hug* |
| 16:18.54 | jnwhiteh | I meant to go with public sex instead of where I went. |
| 16:18.58 | Lunessa | And I shouldn't have encouraged it. My bad. |
| 16:19.04 | jnwhiteh | which is naturally questionable in itself |
| 16:19.20 | Fisker | do you think i can still get into Blizzcon if i wash off all the blood? |
| 16:19.30 | Fisker | otherwise i'll have to wait until the end of Blizzcon |
| 16:19.35 | zenzelezz | this is all Fisker's fault, with his incessant talk of rape |
| 16:19.37 | Fisker | and i'd rather not have Shirik hear about the new mmo and stuff |
| 16:19.42 | Fisker | not mine really |
| 16:19.42 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, you couldnt get into blizzcon with devine intervention |
| 16:19.49 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: luckily he has it! |
| 16:19.54 | jnwhiteh | it definitely raises his chances |
| 16:20.08 | Fisker | devine or divine? |
| 16:20.17 | jnwhiteh | fisker has both. |
| 16:20.43 | nicoli_s | well luckily we managed to get enough tickets here at curse so i get to go! |
| 16:21.06 | jnwhiteh | congrats! |
| 16:21.12 | jnwhiteh | no blizzcon for me this year, but meh.. |
| 16:21.16 | jnwhiteh | its the people I miss more than anything. |
| 16:21.23 | zenzelezz | this calls for Bovine Intervention |
| 16:21.28 | Lopeppeppy | I will join you on the no-go bench, jnwhiteh. And like you, it's the people I miss. |
| 16:21.32 | Fisker | you could always take them home in a doggie bag jnwhiteh |
| 16:21.38 | Fisker | that's what i intend to do with Shirik |
| 16:21.39 | alestane | So let me know the next time you happen to be flying in at Logan. |
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| 16:22.02 | Fisker | Shirik is mad |
| 16:22.11 | Shirik_ | here's a scary thought: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/587/ |
| 16:22.18 | Lopeppeppy | I surely will, alestane! |
| 16:22.32 | jnwhiteh | I got to see Antiarc last time I was in PHX :P |
| 16:22.45 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Too busy this year? |
| 16:22.50 | jnwhiteh | and money |
| 16:22.56 | jnwhiteh | coming to the UK gets rather expensive :P |
| 16:22.58 | Fisker | man |
| 16:23.02 | Lunessa | *nod* Flying from UK is spendy |
| 16:23.16 | Fisker | just ship yourself through DHL jnwhiteh |
| 16:23.25 | Fisker | was pretty cheap for my nexus one |
| 16:23.35 | jnwhiteh | kk brt. |
| 16:23.50 | Fisker | speaking of which |
| 16:23.57 | Fisker | now i want a moorestown using Android instead :( |
| 16:23.58 | alestane | I was addressing jnwhiteh, Peppy, but you can certainly consider that comment directed at you as well. |
| 16:24.01 | Fisker | Google should make one |
| 16:24.03 | Fisker | Nexus Two amirite? |
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| 16:24.44 | alestane | For that matter, you can show up on my doorstep covered in sticks, mud and confusion and you will still be welcome. |
| 16:25.06 | Kraps | am i being unreasonable? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25171933171&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 16:25.45 | jnwhiteh | alestane: =) |
| 16:26.36 | alestane | Not sure which one is you, Kraps. |
| 16:26.51 | DWSR | Kraps: Yes. |
| 16:27.04 | Kraps | alestane: first post |
| 16:27.12 | DWSR | Rogues lose all their energy, warriors lose all their rage, and DKs lose all their runic power. |
| 16:27.53 | alestane | I think the mechanic is in there mostly to cover up changes like talents that grant intellect. |
| 16:27.58 | Kraps | that hardly affects their combat-readiness DWSR |
| 16:28.04 | DWSR | Of course it does. |
| 16:28.14 | DWSR | Rogues with no energy? |
| 16:28.20 | DWSR | Warriors with no rage? |
| 16:28.34 | jnwhiteh | and why are you swapping specs moments before pulling? |
| 16:28.37 | DWSR | ^ |
| 16:28.45 | DWSR | Switching specs is supposed to be a pain in the ass. |
| 16:28.47 | DWSR | that's the point. |
| 16:29.07 | jnwhiteh | I repair before I go into a dungeon, not right before we pull |
| 16:29.13 | jnwhiteh | Its called preparation |
| 16:29.44 | DWSR | Thank you, jnwhiteh. |
| 16:30.39 | Kraps | the point is, theres a huge disparity |
| 16:30.40 | DWSR | Also, Kraps. |
| 16:30.41 | DWSR | No. |
| 16:31.00 | DWSR | Kraps: what about situations where you can remove yourself from combat and then switch specs? |
| 16:31.10 | NightHawkTheSane | It would be far /far/ worse/exploitable if you didn't lose all your resources on switching specs. |
| 16:31.23 | DWSR | ^ |
| 16:31.25 | jnwhiteh | its a simple way to ensure their can't be any issues |
| 16:31.32 | jnwhiteh | in a way that the player is able to plan for and counteract |
| 16:31.50 | Lunessa | alestane: "I believe in my townspeople. You can knock on any door in our town say, 'I'm hungry,' and you will be fed. Our town is no exception; I've found the same ready charity everywhere. For the one who says, 'To heck with you -- I got mine,' there are a hundred, a thousand, who will say, 'Sure, pal, sit down.' - Robert A. Heinlein |
| 16:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | I agree that it's slightly unfair. However, a caster can wand right off the bat, the same way a rogue can auto-attack with no energy.... etc. It sucks. It's supposed to suck. |
| 16:31.52 | Kraps | can you get out of combat in a raid pull? |
| 16:32.03 | jnwhiteh | a warrior _has_ no rage to start with. A rogue gains energy constantly. A DK has no RP to start with. |
| 16:32.13 | jnwhiteh | I just fail to see what the _penalty_ is |
| 16:32.17 | jnwhiteh | everyone has to deal with it |
| 16:32.22 | nevcairiel | Kraps: trash, possibly, boss, no |
| 16:32.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: except, it's not supposed to suck, because you're never supposed to be switching specs mid combat, or even seconds before combat. |
| 16:32.51 | NightHawkTheSane | and in the few cases you do, you shouldn't be required to actually DO anything that pull, because you just swapped. |
| 16:33.21 | Kraps | so whats the problem? why should a caster have a 30 second cooldown after swiching? |
| 16:33.49 | jnwhiteh | they don't.. they can drink to replenish |
| 16:33.52 | jnwhiteh | its hardly 30 seconds. |
| 16:33.56 | DWSR | ^ |
| 16:34.02 | jnwhiteh | the other classes don't HAVE a way to 'replenish' |
| 16:34.04 | nevcairiel | so its 20 |
| 16:34.05 | olafski | full mana does kinda take 30 seconds for a properly geared caster |
| 16:34.09 | Fisker | I'd rather see a cooldown than removing my mana |
| 16:34.12 | nevcairiel | but still alot of time |
| 16:34.14 | DWSR | olafski: What are you playing, a mage? |
| 16:34.14 | jnwhiteh | they're just at a baseline |
| 16:34.17 | DWSR | Evocate. |
| 16:34.17 | jnwhiteh | I innervate myself |
| 16:34.22 | jnwhiteh | of evoke |
| 16:34.25 | DWSR | Life Tap. |
| 16:34.29 | DWSR | Divine Prayer. |
| 16:34.30 | jnwhiteh | because, those are my class skills, designe dot counteract mana loss |
| 16:34.32 | DWSR | Hymn of Hope. |
| 16:34.33 | Kraps | 10 second silence every time you switch |
| 16:34.41 | DWSR | Shamans have Mana Tide. |
| 16:34.44 | jnwhiteh | not quite |
| 16:34.48 | jnwhiteh | I can start casting immediately. |
| 16:34.49 | nevcairiel | I rather not have to use some silly cooldown just because they decided to take away all my mana |
| 16:34.52 | jnwhiteh | I have innervate every 3 minutes. |
| 16:34.52 | Kraps | DWSR: lol i need to use my big cd? wtf |
| 16:34.57 | jnwhiteh | You don't have to |
| 16:34.57 | NightHawkTheSane | It really doesn't matter if it's 30s of drinking, or 1m, or 10s. |
| 16:34.58 | jnwhiteh | drink water |
| 16:34.59 | nevcairiel | when a warrior can switch and just run to the enemy again |
| 16:35.02 | jnwhiteh | the fact of the matter is guys |
| 16:35.03 | DWSR | Kraps: You don't have to. |
| 16:35.03 | jnwhiteh | its preparation |
| 16:35.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you should never need to do anything that quickly after switching anyway |
| 16:35.07 | jnwhiteh | if you're not using it in preparation |
| 16:35.09 | jnwhiteh | you're doing it wrong. |
| 16:35.11 | NightHawkTheSane | so who cares? |
| 16:35.24 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: not need vs want to |
| 16:35.30 | Kraps | when im doing dailies |
| 16:35.31 | NightHawkTheSane | If you're switching before a boss fight, it'll take at /least/ 30s for the group to be ready anyway |
| 16:35.37 | Kraps | and dungeons |
| 16:35.45 | Kraps | questing |
| 16:36.00 | NightHawkTheSane | why would you ever need to switch specs while doing those? |
| 16:36.01 | DWSR | Kraps: If you're queued for multiple roles, you'll never get in as DPS. Prepare yourself and be in your healing spec. |
| 16:36.12 | Kraps | haha |
| 16:36.22 | Kraps | so you're removing my choise |
| 16:36.26 | nevcairiel | I dont see how you can even take the stand on the other side. I mean, whats the point, really? Non-mana classes have no disadvantage, while mana classes do. Why? Name one good reason. |
| 16:36.30 | Fisker | DWSR |
| 16:36.33 | Fisker | the other way around |
| 16:36.34 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: I don't care |
| 16:36.36 | jnwhiteh | that's my 'side' |
| 16:36.41 | NightHawkTheSane | and if a queue pops while you're doing one thing, you just take the qwesto ueue, switch, and drink |
| 16:36.47 | Fisker | I'm dps spec, queue up as healer, and before i've changed spec, then i'll be invited |
| 16:36.48 | Fisker | 0 mana |
| 16:36.51 | DWSR | Even better. |
| 16:36.55 | jnwhiteh | I have an easy way to counteract it |
| 16:36.56 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 16:37.02 | DWSR | Change specs before you enter the dungeon. |
| 16:37.03 | NightHawkTheSane | by the time everyone else queues in and buffs, you're at full, no issues |
| 16:37.10 | DWSR | You get a full mana bar free when you enter. |
| 16:37.10 | jnwhiteh | Blizzard did it because they wanted to do it |
| 16:37.12 | jnwhiteh | its not an accident |
| 16:37.18 | jnwhiteh | thats enough for me |
| 16:37.20 | NightHawkTheSane | or a bug. |
| 16:37.25 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: thing can be changed |
| 16:37.32 | olafski | I imagine it's a safety because of some talents that increase your energy |
| 16:37.34 | Kraps | things* |
| 16:37.38 | Fisker | that's weird |
| 16:37.42 | NightHawkTheSane | some (sane) people probably dont want it changed. |
| 16:37.49 | Fisker | in my tank spec i always port in with almost 0 mana |
| 16:37.53 | Kraps | wow |
| 16:37.53 | nevcairiel | I just don't get how people can try to argue how it is no issue because they have all those abilities, while not naming one even virtual reason for it |
| 16:37.59 | Fisker | ok it was a few weeks since i last did dailies |
| 16:38.05 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: Blizzard named the reasons |
| 16:38.07 | jnwhiteh | when it came out |
| 16:38.10 | jnwhiteh | and this debate happened |
| 16:38.10 | Fisker | But either way, cooldown > removing mana |
| 16:38.22 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: it solves issues with changing mana pools, pvp exploitation, or even pve exploitation |
| 16:38.27 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: that doesn't cover 'mistakes' |
| 16:38.33 | zenzelezz | people should just be glad they even HAVE multiple specs |
| 16:38.34 | jnwhiteh | it makes them worse |
| 16:38.42 | Fisker | what mistakes |
| 16:38.43 | Fisker | ? |
| 16:38.51 | jnwhiteh | thinking you're in one spec and swapping |
| 16:38.55 | jnwhiteh | realizing you were already in the rigth spec |
| 16:38.58 | jnwhiteh | now how long do you have to wait? |
| 16:39.14 | Fisker | Make them specagnostic duh |
| 16:39.24 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.28 | Shadowed | It's easier to kill your mana pool for something you aren't supposed to be doing every single fight, than to try and fix every little bug that people see down the line |
| 16:39.36 | nevcairiel | do rogues even get their energy reset? |
| 16:39.39 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 16:39.51 | Shadowed | why waste development time fixing something that is an easy solution |
| 16:39.54 | DWSR | ^ |
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| 16:39.56 | Kraps | but you dont see the disparity? |
| 16:39.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 16:40.01 | jnwhiteh | yes, I do. |
| 16:40.01 | DWSR | If it ain't broke Kraps. |
| 16:40.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: not at all |
| 16:40.03 | jnwhiteh | can you accept that? |
| 16:40.07 | NightHawkTheSane | you shouldn't be doing it every fight |
| 16:40.07 | jnwhiteh | I just don't care about it |
| 16:40.08 | DWSR | Kraps: No. I don't. |
| 16:40.08 | Shadowed | Sure, there's a disparity, but it's not a huge one |
| 16:40.14 | Shadowed | You shouldn't be doing it every fight |
| 16:40.18 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: there is a disparity |
| 16:40.22 | jnwhiteh | you can't factually disagree with that. |
| 16:40.25 | jnwhiteh | so don't be obtuse |
| 16:40.26 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Not one of any consequence. |
| 16:40.27 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, even on my rogue it's a pain in the ass to switch specs mid-instance, i rarely bother. |
| 16:40.28 | Fisker | it's not a huge one by just making it stay |
| 16:40.33 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: that doesn't remove the disparity |
| 16:40.34 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:40.39 | Fisker | That was less of a developement time than making it remove your power |
| 16:40.47 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Also, as someone posted in that thread, mana abilities and energy abilities are balanced wholly differently. |
| 16:41.03 | jnwhiteh | this is true, but that doesn't change the fact that there _is_ a disparity :P |
| 16:41.03 | DWSR | There's a reason why Crusader Strike has a cooldown and Sinister Strikes doesn't, for example. |
| 16:41.21 | Kraps | look, blizx has change many thing that are just "oh it take 2 seconds less now, big deal". why is this so bad? |
| 16:41.26 | Shadowed | They both have cooldowns, just one is a literal and another is an implied |
| 16:41.30 | eidolarr | i highly doubt balance is the reason for the disparity |
| 16:41.47 | batrick | DWSR: why would I write a calculation function when there is lua_bot in the channel AND batbot can run lua code (!lua) |
| 16:41.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: because, as has been said a few dozen times now, it exposes the risk of bugs, exploitable situations, and other things blizzard does not want to do |
| 16:41.58 | DWSR | batrick: Good point. |
| 16:42.11 | DWSR | Kraps: If it ain't broke, etc. |
| 16:42.16 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: i quote "Instead of draining resources, apply a 10 second pacify/silence to anyone that swaps specs. This stops everyone from doing anything as soon as they swap, and equally lets everyone act at the same time after it's over." |
| 16:42.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: that doesn't solve potential bugs though |
| 16:42.39 | Shadowed | Or they could just make it drain resources like it already does, and not have to worry about any bugs! |
| 16:42.41 | NightHawkTheSane | this does |
| 16:42.43 | NightHawkTheSane | easily, and fast. |
| 16:42.52 | NightHawkTheSane | and before they even exist :P |
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| 16:42.57 | xanax` | re |
| 16:43.05 | Kraps | DWSR: were 3 sec cast mounts "broke"? gimme a break |
| 16:43.05 | nevcairiel | they even remove group group buff from everyone when you spec, even when in both specs you have the same level of the improving talents |
| 16:43.08 | nevcairiel | now thats annoying :P |
| 16:43.23 | DWSR | Kraps: Yes. |
| 16:43.25 | NightHawkTheSane | (also, it's entirely possible that they tried other methods in testing, and decided they didn't like how it worked, or that there WERE such bugs that were easiest to solve this way) |
| 16:43.40 | Shadowed | You aren't supposed to be switching specs between every single trash fight, they don't need it to be the most helpful solution |
| 16:43.44 | DWSR | ^ |
| 16:43.45 | eidolarr | 3 second mounts had significant effects on pvp |
| 16:43.49 | DWSR | ^ |
| 16:44.03 | Shadowed | The entire point of the system was "We're doing a boss and need another tank" scenarios |
| 16:44.04 | Kraps | for better or worse? |
| 16:44.18 | eidolarr | it's not clear |
| 16:44.22 | nevcairiel | for us its more like, dps during trash, heal on boss |
| 16:44.23 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 16:44.28 | eidolarr | but it had a significant effect |
| 16:44.34 | eidolarr | so significant that i'd almost call it a pvp change |
| 16:44.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: also the "i'd like to tank this instance, but i'm dps specced and poor" or similar :P |
| 16:44.41 | Shadowed | right |
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| 16:45.01 | Xinhuan | umm, dual spec's purpose is to save you a 5 min trip to the trainer, respec, AH, buy glyphs, summon back |
| 16:45.02 | Shirik_ | Fisker: |
| 16:45.03 | Shirik_ | sup |
| 16:45.04 | Xinhuan | why are you complaining |
| 16:45.10 | Xinhuan | about a 30 sec drink |
| 16:45.17 | Fisker | sup Shirik |
| 16:45.29 | foxlit | more importantly, who is complaining? Can't tell from the last ~20 lines or so of scrollback :/ |
| 16:45.29 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: because others don't have to :p |
| 16:45.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: because it's fun to whine about things |
| 16:45.41 | Xinhuan | classes aren't designed equal |
| 16:45.45 | DWSR | foxlit: Kraps. |
| 16:45.45 | Kraps | Xinhuan: i'm suggesting an improvement |
| 16:45.51 | DWSR | He's starting to sound like Amarande. |
| 16:45.54 | DWSR | Anyway, I'm out. Laters. |
| 16:46.19 | eidolarr | lol what is this, high school |
| 16:46.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Xinhuan: bah! ALL CLASSES MUST BE EQUALLIZED! I demand mage ports, too, cause the extra time flying places sucks :( |
| 16:46.48 | Shadowed | Kraps: The point is, you're asking for an improvement that is unnecessary and causes more development time and more potential for bugs down the road. You are not supposed to use the talent spec system to swap every single fight, I'm pretty sure they've said this somewhere |
| 16:46.51 | Xinhuan | no! my mage ports are mine! |
| 16:46.58 | Shadowed | multiple times |
| 16:47.02 | NightHawkTheSane | I also want crusader aura, because the extra 30s i spend flying IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME |
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| 16:47.16 | eidolarr | that's not fair |
| 16:47.17 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: dont be like that, nlizz is on "equalize everything" train anyway |
| 16:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: except, you know, not. |
| 16:47.32 | eidolarr | the drinking thing is obviously not an intentional balance mechanism |
| 16:47.39 | Shadowed | You're taking what they are saying out of context and trying to apply it to your argument :P |
| 16:47.50 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: no, it's not. it's a relic of a solution that solves a lot of problems and ultimately it doesn't even matter ;) |
| 16:48.01 | Shadowed | They have been equalizing a lot of the classes to keep them even in things like PVE, or so you don't always need a Paladin to fill the buffing spot |
| 16:48.13 | Shadowed | that doesn't mean they are going to equalize how respeccing effects people |
| 16:48.27 | Fisker | why won't you love me Shirik? |
| 16:48.33 | eidolarr | NightHawkTheSane: that puts it above calls to make the classes identical, thus, not a fair analogy |
| 16:48.42 | Lunessa | Fuck it. You want totally equal classes? Play Quake. |
| 16:48.59 | eidolarr | who is asking for equal classes |
| 16:49.06 | Kraps | so lets go the other way and say that no one should lose resources |
| 16:49.34 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone here ever play the "Dune" board game? |
| 16:49.40 | eidolarr | nah that would be annoying for world pvp |
| 16:49.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: again, bugs. |
| 16:49.54 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: No, but I did play a beta version of a card game for it. |
| 16:50.04 | Shadowed | nevcairiel brought up a good point about how they remove buffs even if you still have the same improvements |
| 16:50.06 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: thats just a cop-out |
| 16:50.10 | Shadowed | No it's not Kraps |
| 16:50.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: no, it's not. |
| 16:50.17 | eidolarr | err why not |
| 16:50.22 | eidolarr | they don't set your mana to 0 when you respec at a trainer |
| 16:50.34 | Shadowed | Because the trainer removes all of your talents |
| 16:50.41 | eidolarr | so why not just do that? |
| 16:50.44 | Shadowed | if I remember right this doesn't |
| 16:51.10 | eidolarr | so... why not do that? it's a possible solution |
| 16:51.14 | Shadowed | And when you're at a trainer you aren't actually in a fight, you have no debuffs or anything else that could possibly be "in play" |
| 16:51.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: it a neat board game, but the thing is each of the 6 factions that players play are /wildly/ overpowered and not at all 'equal', but since each is so, it kinda works out. |
| 16:51.37 | eidolarr | my suspicion is that they intentionally zero your mana to prevent exploiting it, and this happens to disparately impact classes, and no one cares |
| 16:51.40 | NightHawkTheSane | talking about "class equality" always reminds me of that |
| 16:51.50 | Kraps | Shadowed: you cant change in a fight |
| 16:51.59 | NightHawkTheSane | eidolarr: no one cares, because it really never is an issue |
| 16:52.03 | Shadowed | Nobody is arguing that they couldn't fix it, or that it doesn't hurt mana users more. But it's not supposed to be used every single fight |
| 16:52.13 | Shadowed | and spending 20-30 seconds is hardly killer |
| 16:52.18 | Kraps | 10 second silence |
| 16:52.20 | alestane | It's a priority thing. |
| 16:52.22 | Shadowed | Again Kraps |
| 16:52.36 | Shadowed | It is far far easier to do a simple fix and not have to worry about bugs |
| 16:52.40 | eidolarr | 10 second silence also doesn't effect rogues or warriors |
| 16:52.46 | eidolarr | and hardly hunters |
| 16:52.47 | alestane | "We have X hours of programmer time available before the next patch. What needs to be fixed the most?" |
| 16:52.50 | eidolarr | it's probably a worse solution lol |
| 16:53.13 | Kraps | eidolarr: why not? |
| 16:53.57 | Shirik_ | I do Fisker |
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| 16:54.32 | Kraps | LOLWHAT http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25170442952/cataclysm-servers-temporarily-down/ |
| 16:54.49 | eidolarr | Kraps: it still lets warriors and rogues etc play |
| 16:54.54 | alestane | Could we do it? Eventually. Would it be nice? Probably. Could we invest that same amount of programmers' and testers' time into something even cooler? Almost certainly. |
| 16:55.00 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, what's interesting is that as gear progresses, in raid/instance environments, you rarely even need to drink for 30s. |
| 16:55.02 | Lopeppeppy | Fix Vanish! *gigglesnark* |
| 16:55.10 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: heh |
| 16:55.28 | Lopeppeppy | Next to that, everything else is all lolz for me. |
| 16:55.29 | Shadowed | Ask Antiarc about that |
| 16:55.31 | NightHawkTheSane | I can swap, drink for 5-6s and probably get enough mana to keep me going until it regenerates enough normally |
| 16:55.34 | Shadowed | he'll love to tell you stories |
| 16:55.52 | Kraps | eidolarr: pacify as well i.e. no pushing buttons |
| 16:56.04 | eidolarr | wow this is getting complicated |
| 16:56.19 | Lopeppeppy | Antiarc and I could probably go get drunk in a corner and cry ourselves to sleep. I remember where I was when I first noticed it was broken. |
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| 16:56.41 | Shadowed | I remember the first time I found out Vanish was broken after a patch |
| 16:56.47 | Shadowed | it was soloing SM for items to dE, it ended poorly |
| 16:57.00 | Lopeppeppy | We were in Dire Maul... it ended poorly. |
| 16:57.05 | alestane | Has it been broken repeatedly or something? |
| 16:57.10 | Shadowed | haha |
| 16:57.12 | alestane | <= warlock |
| 16:57.20 | alestane | My rogue is a JC farmer. |
| 16:57.32 | Shadowed | I don't remember when exactly, but it's gone through various stages of broken through the years |
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| 16:58.00 | Lopeppeppy | broken *still*, alestane. WAI, etc. It's... unique. |
| 16:58.14 | eidolarr | my favorite is charge disconnecting you from server |
| 16:58.15 | Shadowed | Some of it was just due to timing issues, like if X attacks Y and right after Y vanishes, the server will process the vanish then immediately the attack |
| 16:58.23 | alestane | What designers want is not what players expect? |
| 16:58.38 | Shadowed | It's more that some of the issues are kind of hard to fix like ^ |
| 16:58.40 | Lopeppeppy | Designers have admitted at various times that it is not WAI, even. |
| 16:58.45 | Shadowed | WAI? |
| 16:58.51 | Lopeppeppy | Working as intended. |
| 16:59.12 | Lopeppeppy | It's a complex damn mechanic, apparently. Nudge one thing, something else goes kerplooie. |
| 16:59.27 | Shadowed | They tried a few hack fixes but those didn't work |
| 16:59.44 | alestane | But due to the inherent issues with latency-driven systems, it's just not easy to fix. |
| 16:59.45 | Lopeppeppy | And all because of Aimed Shot from Night Elven shadowmeld, IIRC? |
| 16:59.53 | zenzelezz | I would have thought it'd be something close to Feign Death in terms of technicality |
| 17:00.11 | eidolarr | no because if anything hits them it breaks stealth or puts them in combat |
| 17:00.15 | eidolarr | feign death doesn't have that problem |
| 17:00.30 | eidolarr | so projectiles already in flight or delayed by latency cause issues |
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| 17:02.11 | zenzelezz | easily resolved |
| 17:02.20 | zenzelezz | replace all ranged weapons with lasers |
| 17:03.18 | nevcairiel | and all spells hit instantly? |
| 17:04.07 | zenzelezz | just remove spells! |
| 17:04.23 | eidolarr | just shut down the game |
| 17:05.45 | zenzelezz | surely my jokes were sufficiently obvious this time |
| 17:07.00 | eidolarr | is there a place where I can browse the base UI code online? |
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| 17:13.59 | Lunessa | eidolarr: No, but it's not too hard to extract it. |
| 17:14.18 | Lunessa | wowcompares only has diffs. |
| 17:14.34 | jnwhiteh | eidolarr: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 17:14.36 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: stop lying =) |
| 17:14.55 | eidolarr | thanks |
| 17:18.05 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: zomg. You bastard. :P |
| 17:18.14 | jnwhiteh | why am I a bastard? |
| 17:18.22 | jnwhiteh | I'm not denying it, fyi. |
| 17:18.42 | Lunessa | I have lots of reasons. But right now, the egg on my face is sufficient for me to lash out. :P |
| 17:19.12 | Dashkal | Fried? |
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| 17:20.54 | DWSR | Vanish isn't broken. |
| 17:20.58 | DWSR | It's working as instended. |
| 17:21.03 | DWSR | intended, rather. |
| 17:21.40 | DWSR | If you throw a spear at someone right as they throw down a puff of smoke, obviously the spear will still hit them. |
| 17:21.49 | DWSR | Provided they haven't moved sufficiently far enough to avoid it. |
| 17:22.28 | DWSR | If you Vanish right as someone shoots an arrow at you, OF COURSE it should still hit you. |
| 17:22.30 | Fisker | except vanish is a puff of smoke blocking missiles |
| 17:22.35 | foxlit | DWSR: Your physics-based argument does not belong in a world with magic. |
| 17:23.18 | foxlit | Try also: "You shouldn't be able to pass through other players or NPCs" |
| 17:23.22 | Fisker | i heard they fixed it in beta btw |
| 17:23.39 | Fisker | they give you 3 seconds of "stealth immunity" |
| 17:23.45 | foxlit | or "People should be able to move out of range of flying projectiles" |
| 17:25.19 | DWSR | 3sec is forever. |
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| 17:25.55 | foxlit | cannot be evaluated in a vacuum. |
| 17:26.16 | foxlit | 3sec might not be forever if suddenly people die in 45 seconds rather than 1.5. |
| 17:26.46 | Lunessa | Vanish is working as intended. It generates the proper levels of QQ as no longer being the "FU I Win" card. |
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| 17:28.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: actually, it IS working as intended, it drops threat just fine. ;) |
| 17:28.50 | DWSR | ^ |
| 17:29.01 | DWSR | foxlit: People won't die in 45 seconds in Cataclysm. |
| 17:29.09 | DWSR | And once again, Resilience *Won't* fix it. |
| 17:29.23 | foxlit | DWSR: I don't trust your crystal ball |
| 17:29.31 | foxlit | And there does not seem to be any reason to bother. |
| 17:29.45 | nevcairiel | I don't trust anything DWSR says, even if its supposed to be factual :p |
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| 17:30.06 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. i dont trust anything anyone says, even if it's me. |
| 17:31.27 | Fisker | Lunessa if they need a "FU i win" card they already lost |
| 17:31.56 | foxlit | While not playing a rogue, all rogue gameplay looks like "FU I win!" |
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| 17:32.23 | nevcairiel | today it goes like "stun .. dpsdpsdps .. stun .. dpsdps.. followed by death" |
| 17:32.25 | DWSR | foxlit: Unless you're playing a death knight. |
| 17:32.29 | nevcairiel | feels like FU I win |
| 17:32.32 | foxlit | "No, you'll stay stunned over there. Things not going well? Blind! You trinketed? VANISH!" |
| 17:32.32 | Fisker | what nevcairiel? |
| 17:32.35 | Fisker | Killing spreed |
| 17:32.42 | DWSR | In which case it goes like ICEBOUDNFORTITUDE. |
| 17:32.47 | DWSR | ICEBOUNDFORTITUDE* |
| 17:32.54 | Fisker | i thought you couldn't use that while stunned |
| 17:33.00 | DWSR | You can't, trinket + IBF. |
| 17:33.17 | DWSR | AMS also prevents the application of poisons. |
| 17:33.17 | Lunessa | Usually I find complaints about broken mechanics to boil down to "I pushed the button too late" or "someone countered my counter" |
| 17:33.21 | Fisker | You can easily reset and recover from that imo |
| 17:33.38 | foxlit | blind, and restart from stealth. |
| 17:33.59 | DWSR | Yeah, except CloS is broken in regards to Unholy Blight. |
| 17:34.13 | DWSR | Sometimes doesn't remove the diseases properly, and I get them instantly popped back out of stealth. |
| 17:34.17 | Lopeppeppy | The devs did admit at one point that Vanish was broken, Lunessa, or I'd suck it up that it was all QQ. Now it's just... my favorite little purple duckling. |
| 17:34.19 | DWSR | Where I proceed to facefuck them into oblivion. |
| 17:34.40 | Fisker | Haven't noticed that since they're usually dead by the time they exit stun |
| 17:34.41 | alestane | ..purple...duckling...? |
| 17:34.53 | DWSR | alestane: s/purple/ugly/ |
| 17:35.03 | eidolarr | I thought vanish was still broken |
| 17:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | I don't disagree, eidolarr. |
| 17:35.30 | eidolarr | it's not a matter of agree or disagree |
| 17:35.34 | nevcairiel | Its not "broken", its just flawed with latency issues =p |
| 17:35.34 | eidolarr | is it still broken? |
| 17:35.45 | Lopeppeppy | I don't know how the devs currently answer that question, eidolarr. |
| 17:35.55 | eidolarr | I remember they tried a new fix recently |
| 17:36.04 | Lopeppeppy | excellent news |
| 17:36.34 | alestane | At least if Peppy ever intends to play a rogue again. |
| 17:37.41 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy is being re-rolled as a priestess! |
| 17:37.46 | Lopeppeppy | But I will get a new rogue, never fear. |
| 17:39.23 | Lunessa | I'm angry and bitter about lots of mechanics, but QQing that something is 'broken' isn't the option I take for solving my complaint. *shrug* My current complaint is that Warriors are the single most powerful Melee DPS class, which means the only reason I'm getting a raid slot anymore is Heroism/Bloodlust. :( |
| 17:41.06 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I was full of QQ/feedback when paladins were under-itemized and falling behind as healers after... Black Temple, I think it was? They only wanted us for buffs, not interested in us as healers. |
| 17:41.07 | alestane | Since that means the raids just recruit warriorwarriorwarrior. |
| 17:42.49 | Lopeppeppy | afk |
| 17:42.50 | eidolarr | yes but efw of the things people QQ about being broken are actually mechanically broken |
| 17:43.11 | Lunessa | alestane: it sucks for me to find myself consistently 4-5K behind warriors on every boss fight. It hurts to know that no matter how hard I work, I can't ever get any closer than I am right now to that kind of output. It also suck that basically every warrior in our raid save one is "loldps only, warriors don't tank" |
| 17:43.47 | alestane | ..."warriors don't tank"... |
| 17:44.25 | Lunessa | Even the primary warrior tank in our raid says he'd rather we had paladins and druids to tank. |
| 17:45.23 | Lunessa | Mostly I think it's 'cause he feels like he can't generate enough threat. But that's his problem. |
| 17:45.38 | DWSR | ^ |
| 17:45.44 | DWSR | Warriors are perfectly fine for threat atm. |
| 17:45.51 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 17:45.52 | Legorol | lol, what a silly sytem in this online store: it is mandatory that you specify a daytime landline number in your profile. unfortunately, i don't have a landline, only a mobile |
| 17:46.18 | foxlit | It's possible to tell whether a given number is a landline? |
| 17:46.21 | Legorol | and the system is smart enough to reject a mobile number entered in the landline field, claiming that it has an invalid area code |
| 17:46.28 | DWSR | foxlit: No. |
| 17:46.33 | Legorol | DWSR: yes |
| 17:46.36 | Legorol | i'm in the UK |
| 17:46.38 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 17:46.39 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 17:46.41 | DWSR | In NA, no. |
| 17:46.42 | foxlit | Depends on the region, I suppose. |
| 17:47.52 | nevcairiel | We have special area codes that are used for mobiles |
| 17:48.05 | Legorol | so now if there is a problem with my order, the prime minister will get a call ;) |
| 17:48.09 | nevcairiel | i figured most people would do that =P |
| 17:48.15 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:48.29 | Legorol | j/k, that'd be illegal to do |
| 17:48.37 | Legorol | you don't want to harass the PM |
| 17:48.39 | nevcairiel | daytime landline would just get my work number, no problem there |
| 17:48.55 | Legorol | that's the problem nevcairiel: i do not have a landline. |
| 17:49.11 | nevcairiel | i dont have one at home |
| 17:49.12 | Legorol | i don't have access to one, end of |
| 17:49.19 | Legorol | at work, at home, at wherever |
| 17:49.28 | Legorol | unless i go to the neighbour's i suppose |
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| 17:57.03 | alestane | checks up on Cairenn. |
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| 17:58.08 | DWSR | !youtube Cairenn |
| 17:58.09 | batbot | DWSR: YouTube - FAIRY DANCE <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-NRmbS6eA8> |
| 17:58.14 | Fisker | wat |
| 17:58.17 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:58.20 | DWSR | Batrick, can you make that a builtin please? |
| 17:59.12 | smcn | !youtube caramelldansen |
| 17:59.13 | batbot | smcn: YouTube - Caramelldansen / U-U-U-Aua Dance <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX6e7sO1ss0> |
| 18:01.15 | alestane | WHY CAN'T I HATE IT!!??? EVERY PART OF ME SCREAMS THAT I SHOULD HATE IT BUT I CAN'T!!! |
| 18:01.33 | alestane | Meant to paste that into the bit about how I like the second comment. |
| 18:01.55 | alestane | I actually left the flash file of that on loop in the background once for half an hour while I was working. |
| 18:02.10 | alestane | Went back to work and waited to get sick of it. |
| 18:02.23 | alestane | Instead it just made me happy. |
| 18:03.13 | Shirik_ | you know you messed up when you get "A first chance exception of type 'System.OutOfMemoryException' occurred in mscorlib.dll" on something with 16GB of memory |
| 18:05.26 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 18:05.58 | Shirik_ | oops |
| 18:06.12 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/06/iron_can_r2d2_moonlighting_as.php |
| 18:06.13 | Shirik_ | I did something equivalent to `a = "a"; while(true) do a = a .. a; end` |
| 18:10.05 | DWSR | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/06/amazing_team_fortress_2_cospla.php |
| 18:10.06 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 18:10.50 | NightHawkTheSane | those props are pretty awesome |
| 18:12.53 | DWSR | lol |
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| 18:12.55 | DWSR | That's so awesome. |
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| 18:16.10 | zenzelezz | [2. Trade] [Belfslut]: virgins of warcraft. fun friendly lvling guild. currently recruiting immature retards to join our dungeon spams! really need more tanks and healers!!!! |
| 18:19.16 | Thunder_Child | see, that would be an awesome way to gather up all of the crap on the server |
| 18:19.49 | cog|work | 4chan the guild |
| 18:20.44 | DWSR | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/06/awesome_adidas_star_wars_comme.php |
| 18:23.48 | Lunessa | cog|work: 4chan the placemat. 4chan (no)action figures. |
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| 18:24.19 | cog|work | 4chan the flamethrower. (always a hit with the kiddies) |
| 18:24.55 | Seerah | cog|work: that needed an exclamation point, imo :) |
| 18:24.56 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:25.24 | batrick | DWSR: you mean make an "alias" for a calculator like I did for youtube and google? |
| 18:25.25 | DWSR | Lunessa: (in)actions. |
| 18:25.28 | DWSR | inaction* |
| 18:25.32 | DWSR | yes |
| 18:25.41 | batrick | that is, youtube is just like !google ... site:youtube.com |
| 18:25.58 | DWSR | just like !calc |
| 18:26.01 | batrick | I guess I can do that |
| 18:26.13 | Lunessa | DWSR: I was making a (never get laid) joke |
| 18:26.45 | DWSR | it failed. |
| 18:28.46 | zenzelezz | heh... <Florists of Violence> |
| 18:32.38 | batrick | DWSR: it'll be up the next time i restart batbot, someday |
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| 18:41.29 | xanax` | re |
| 18:41.37 | xanax` | usually, when you get this error : http://nopaste.info/1c77e322ed.html |
| 18:41.45 | xanax` | what's the reason ? |
| 18:41.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Why is it that people have to believe that only [X] is awesome, and all its competitors are terrible, and everyone who likes them is just fooling themselves? |
| 18:42.04 | NightHawkTheSane | awesomeness is not exclusive :( |
| 18:42.10 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 18:42.12 | jnwhiteh | I need to go to the gym |
| 18:42.13 | alestane | Because it keeps things simple, NHtS. |
| 18:42.14 | jnwhiteh | but I just ate |
| 18:42.19 | jnwhiteh | hrm. |
| 18:43.20 | Lunessa | NHTS: Awesomeness is a transmutative property. |
| 18:43.29 | mikma | jnwhiteh: throw up |
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| 18:44.08 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: so that they can convince themselves that they made the correct decision |
| 18:44.36 | Lunessa | xanax`: 1. because your AddOn FaraFrames is trying to do something with a value which has not been set. |
| 18:45.08 | DWSR | NHTS: The iPhone 4 looks neat. |
| 18:45.12 | xanax` | hmm.. |
| 18:45.16 | DWSR | It still isn't nearly as good as an Android device./ |
| 18:45.23 | xanax` | ok thanks. i'll check this out. |
| 18:45.27 | DWSR | But it's neat. |
| 18:45.52 | Kraps | lol Hard Candy |
| 18:46.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: that's the thing. It's entirely possible to say "i made the right decision, what i have (x) is awesome. A tthe same time, y (which i dont have) is also awesome, but does not diminish the awesomeness of X. |
| 18:46.37 | A-KO^ | can't say I'm impressed with iphone 4 |
| 18:46.49 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: yeah, i'm mostly referring to phones, but i see it other places too. it's frustrating |
| 18:46.58 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: it's also to convince themselves not to buy other product |
| 18:47.13 | A-KO^ | DWSR |
| 18:47.14 | A-KO^ | actually |
| 18:47.16 | A-KO^ | for what it's worth |
| 18:47.27 | A-KO^ | the iphone has a significantly better touch screen than any android deviceo n the market |
| 18:47.29 | A-KO^ | including the Evo |
| 18:47.39 | A-KO^ | considering I got to carry an Evo around for a week at work a few weeks ago |
| 18:47.49 | A-KO^ | the touch screen on the iphone is SIGNIFICANTLY better |
| 18:47.59 | A-KO^ | more accurate out of the box |
| 18:48.04 | A-KO^ | scrolling is much smoother |
| 18:48.14 | A-KO^ | the actual "feel" of the iphone has yet to be matched by any android device |
| 18:48.15 | Thunder_Child | you can put android on an iphone/touch |
| 18:48.21 | Lunessa | Awesome is awesome. Be happy with the awesome you have. Do not QQ because something else might also be awesome. |
| 18:48.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: thats my point, yo. |
| 18:48.35 | Lopeppeppy | Grass ain't greener. |
| 18:48.46 | A-KO^ | that said, there's a bunch of benefits to the android devices--but if I'm sitting there trying to type and can't get the letters to recognize properly |
| 18:48.48 | A-KO^ | it's useless :P |
| 18:48.59 | Lunessa | No, but if you roll it and smoke it, you might feel greener. |
| 18:49.12 | A-KO^ | that said, the iphone 4 doesn't seem like a worthwhile upgrade, considering AT&T's shitty plan changes. |
| 18:49.12 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO^: a LOT of it comes down to personal preference, and user-specific habits/workflows |
| 18:49.39 | olafski | oh they announced it? dang I wanted to watch that :P |
| 18:49.42 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO^: eh, for a /phone/ the plan changes don't seem terrible. 2gb a month is a lot of data for a phone |
| 18:49.53 | A-KO^ | NightHawkTheSane: I think most of it, to be honest with you, is simply a couple of things. A) people who "hate Apple" and hate the "snobbish opinions of Apple users" |
| 18:49.54 | NightHawkTheSane | for the ipad, it's kind of craptacular, though |
| 18:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO^: That's even more retarded >< |
| 18:50.07 | A-KO^ | and B) people who hate AT&T |
| 18:50.20 | A-KO^ | outside of that, the iphone has a significantly better app market |
| 18:50.28 | A-KO^ | the quality of the apps is just much better |
| 18:50.45 | A-KO^ | there are a couple of really cool ones on the android market, like google goggles and whatnot |
| 18:50.50 | A-KO^ | and the built-in map is much better |
| 18:51.09 | NightHawkTheSane | I haven't used google goggles as much as i probably should |
| 18:51.22 | A-KO^ | but as a device, the iphone devices generally are just a better feel than the android devices. |
| 18:51.42 | A-KO^ | The iphone just has that feel that says "I am a touch screen phone" whereas the android phones feel like "I am a phone with a touch screen" |
| 18:52.02 | A-KO^ | Most of my personal android experience is with the Evo though |
| 18:52.06 | A-KO^ | though I know a lot of people with droids |
| 18:53.24 | A-KO^ | A lot of the comparisons also aren't very fair, for example--you might have 2 people compare their iphone versus their droid--but I've had my iphone for 2 years, the battery life now is pretty poor. You can't really say the android "has a better battery" when you compare to someone like me |
| 18:53.28 | olafski | can I see the 4g announcement anywhere? I'd like to know what's new :P |
| 18:53.28 | A-KO^ | whose had the iphone for 2 years |
| 18:53.53 | A-KO^ | olafski: higher resolution screen, gyro, front camera, video conferencing, higher res camera w/ 720p video recording @ 30FPS |
| 18:53.55 | A-KO^ | A4 CPU |
| 18:54.02 | A-KO^ | it's basically a shrunk down ipad |
| 18:54.26 | Fisker | they're fucking nuts |
| 18:54.37 | Fisker | Atleast this time it seems to be up to par with the current mobiles |
| 18:54.41 | Fisker | but they're batshit insane |
| 18:54.45 | Fisker | i lol'd over IPS panel |
| 18:54.59 | A-KO^ | eh, have you seen an ipad? heh |
| 18:55.06 | A-KO^ | the ipad screen is pretty bombin' |
| 18:55.26 | olafski | sounds good |
| 18:55.28 | Fisker | Maybe |
| 18:55.29 | cbreak | http://www.macrumorslive.com/ |
| 18:55.32 | olafski | guess the 3GS will be cheaper now ;) |
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| 18:55.39 | cbreak | 99$ US |
| 18:55.39 | Fisker | but i doubt it'll have much relevance on a 4inch? monitor |
| 18:55.52 | cbreak | 320dpi Fisker :) |
| 18:55.53 | A-KO^ | Fisker: oh, it does. I can see the pixels on my iphone |
| 18:56.01 | Fisker | Not to mention the reduced battery times and the increased heat issues |
| 18:56.14 | Fisker | That's not a panel issue A-KO |
| 18:56.17 | A-KO^ | supposedly higher battery time |
| 18:56.22 | Fisker | what? |
| 18:56.27 | foxlit | bigger battery |
| 18:56.28 | A-KO^ | supposedly the battery life is higher on the iphone 4 than the other iphoens |
| 18:56.29 | cbreak | they put in a big battery. |
| 18:56.30 | A-KO^ | so |
| 18:56.30 | foxlit | Fisker'ed. |
| 18:56.37 | Fisker | well A-KO that may be |
| 18:56.42 | cbreak | they made everything else smaller apparently. |
| 18:56.52 | Fisker | But it's not higher battery life on an iphone 4 with IPS vs. an iphone 4 with AMOLED for example |
| 18:57.13 | Fisker | IPS is a waste of battery on a small display like that in my opinion |
| 18:57.15 | foxlit | That comparison is pointless, as one of those things does not exist. |
| 18:57.19 | A-KO^ | It seems like a half decent phone to me, but probably not worth upgrading. I do *light* usage of my iphone, and I push around 700MB/month |
| 18:57.26 | A-KO^ | I might wait until the WM7 phones come out |
| 18:57.28 | cbreak | according to apple, it's battery life is longer |
| 18:57.48 | Fisker | foxlit not pointless at all |
| 18:58.00 | olafski | I have a 5 year old nokia.. I think a 4G would be a reasonable upgrade :) |
| 18:58.16 | Fisker | If a 3G has 8 hours of battery time, a iPhone 4 has 16 hours, and if they used an amoled instead it would have 20 hours, then i would definitely prefer the amoled |
| 18:58.20 | cbreak | I have a 9 year old motorola. I will upgrade. |
| 18:58.23 | A-KO^ | olafski: I've got a iphone 3g :P |
| 18:58.31 | cbreak | OLED isn't that power saving fisker. |
| 18:58.32 | foxlit | "Unicorns would totally be more awesome than horses. I want a unicorn!" |
| 18:58.45 | A-KO^ | yeah, OLED isn't really being used as prime time is it? |
| 18:58.52 | A-KO^ | doesn't they have significant problems atm? |
| 18:58.55 | durcyn | there are handsets witih amoled displays now |
| 18:59.03 | Fisker | i haven't seen any problems |
| 18:59.09 | A-KO^ | who makes 'em? |
| 18:59.10 | foxlit | nobody reaching that sort of dpi, though? |
| 18:59.13 | durcyn | that laser-phosphorus stuff looks better though anyway |
| 18:59.14 | olafski | a-ko: would it be worth it to grab a 3GS now? I noticed that with t-mobile, the 3G was about 200 euro cheaper than the 3GS a few months ago |
| 18:59.16 | cbreak | I heard they have some problems? But the people who said that didn't go into specifics |
| 18:59.43 | Lopeppeppy | 3gS had heat issues in the beginning, I remember that. |
| 18:59.56 | durcyn | A-KO^: HTC legend, among others |
| 19:00.03 | A-KO^ | olafski: the 3GS is quite nice, but honestly if you're buying now I'd just get the 4. There's undoubtedly going to be more upgrades to software in the future that they'll not be able to put into the older devices. |
| 19:00.11 | olafski | hm |
| 19:00.18 | A-KO^ | durcyn; is the Evo one? |
| 19:00.22 | A-KO^ | because if so |
| 19:00.24 | olafski | I guess I'll wait a few months then, starting my job in a month so I don't quite have the cash for that yet |
| 19:00.25 | A-KO^ | I certainly was not impressed |
| 19:00.36 | Fisker | Took me 5 seconds in google to find a 250DPI amoled |
| 19:00.42 | cbreak | it's not available yet anyway |
| 19:00.42 | Fisker | i'm thinking the DPI isn't really an issue here |
| 19:00.43 | durcyn | A-KO^: not sure what they used on the evo. the Legend is something like 3 inches. |
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| 19:01.15 | foxlit | Fisker: why 250? |
| 19:01.16 | cbreak | Fisker, I think they used their insane resolution so they can double each side length from the original iPhone size |
| 19:01.27 | A-KO^ | Fisker: well, the ipad's screens are very, very nice to look at--regardless of the tech they used. And I am sure the iphone 4's screen will also be better than any current smartphone device. |
| 19:01.27 | Fisker | foxlit first hit on google :P |
| 19:01.28 | cbreak | so that's why they went up to 326 or what ever |
| 19:01.45 | Lunessa | I like gadgets as much as the next guy, but I generally buy 1-2 generations behind on phones. |
| 19:01.54 | Fisker | A-KO for once Apple has actually made a decent mobile device, i'll give them that |
| 19:02.20 | A-KO^ | Fisker: Well, considering most of the world has some form of iphone in comparison to any single android device, I think the rest of the world disagrees :P |
| 19:02.30 | Fisker | but i still don't think that amoled will ruin the quality as considerably as IPS ruins the battery life |
| 19:03.01 | cbreak | do you think an OLED uses less battery power than a TFT + Background Light? |
| 19:03.07 | eidolarr | AT&T |
| 19:04.01 | Fisker | why shouldn't it cbreak ? |
| 19:04.07 | cbreak | I don't know. Why should it? |
| 19:04.29 | Fisker | If you think you know something, bring it on the table |
| 19:04.34 | Kraps | what does this mean http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25170442952/cataclysm-servers-temporarily-down/ |
| 19:04.34 | Fisker | i'm not ready to play games |
| 19:04.43 | cbreak | I have no idea which tech uses more power |
| 19:04.46 | cbreak | I hoped you had one |
| 19:04.54 | Fisker | derp derp Kraps |
| 19:05.03 | kd3 | it means someone posted on the wrong forum |
| 19:05.22 | Lunessa | You know, I resisted buying an iPhone for a looooong time, not because of the device, but because it was AT&T only. But, seeing as AT&T is on only carrier which reliably has service where I spend 80% of my day, it's not like getting anyone else's service was going to do me much good. |
| 19:05.53 | Fisker | cbreak i'm not that into electronics myself |
| 19:05.58 | cbreak | Lunessa, maybe you can buy an old iPhone with expired contract and go on any network? |
| 19:06.04 | NeoTron | Kraps: someone fucked up? :P |
| 19:06.14 | cbreak | the sim cards are swapable I guess |
| 19:06.28 | NeoTron | Kraps: the post is already removed |
| 19:06.30 | Lunessa | cbreak: Last November I bout an iPhone 3G and made the jump from T-Mobile to AT&T |
| 19:06.41 | Lunessa | bought |
| 19:06.55 | Fisker | all i know is that OLED are supposed to be very power efficient because they don't need backlighting + they are inherently less power hungry |
| 19:07.02 | eidolarr | cbreak: uhh I thought they were locked in the US |
| 19:07.05 | A-KO^ | actually cbreak, the radios aren't compatible |
| 19:07.07 | Fisker | and an IPS panel is the most power hungry LCD panel you can get |
| 19:07.27 | cbreak | don't know about the US, but here, the carriers have to give you the unlock code for your phone when the contract expires |
| 19:07.43 | cbreak | you have incompatible UMTS in the US? |
| 19:07.55 | NeoTron | Kraps: not that the alpha is secret per se but still funny |
| 19:08.07 | Legorol | cbreak: what do you mean by UMTS? |
| 19:08.21 | Lunessa | cbreak: Often the same happens here, but T-Mobile didn't want to unlock my old Blackberry Pearl. Don't know why. |
| 19:08.22 | cbreak | you're still on GSM? |
| 19:08.28 | A-KO^ | cbreak: T-Mobile and AT&T are the only GSM carriers in the US |
| 19:08.39 | Legorol | cbreak: no what i mean is, which standard are you referring to with UMTS |
| 19:08.41 | A-KO^ | which means the iphone, even if unlocked, can only be used on either of those networks |
| 19:08.44 | Legorol | there are several types |
| 19:08.45 | Fisker | for example cbreak |
| 19:08.48 | Fisker | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-1070 |
| 19:08.55 | Fisker | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-8277 |
| 19:08.56 | cbreak | they just call it UMTS here. |
| 19:09.09 | Fisker | Despite being similar sizes the IPS panel uses atleast twice the power |
| 19:09.17 | Legorol | cbreak: where is "here" for you? |
| 19:09.58 | cbreak | switzerland |
| 19:10.10 | cbreak | Fisker: I don't think there are any OLED screens that big yet. |
| 19:10.39 | Fisker | true :P |
| 19:10.54 | cbreak | they use LED backlight, which is a different tech |
| 19:11.42 | Fisker | you mean OLED? |
| 19:11.59 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Fisker |
| 19:11.59 | purl | beats Fisker senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 19:12.18 | cbreak | OLED is something other than LED backlight. |
| 19:12.27 | Fisker | the dell monitors use CCFL |
| 19:12.32 | cbreak | one, yes |
| 19:12.34 | cbreak | the other not |
| 19:12.56 | cbreak | well |
| 19:13.00 | cbreak | at least not as many :) |
| 19:13.05 | Legorol | does the US use one of the UMTS standards? |
| 19:13.18 | Fisker | they do cbreak |
| 19:13.20 | Fisker | both of them |
| 19:13.37 | Fisker | also very obvious from the design |
| 19:13.38 | cbreak | Fisker: read the part where it says "Consume less energy with a monitor that uses 2 CCFL lamps as opposed to the 4 lamps used by conventional monitors." |
| 19:13.54 | Fisker | oh |
| 19:14.01 | Fisker | well they both still use CCFL atleast :P |
| 19:14.10 | cbreak | Legorol: don't know. They call it iPhone 3G because it supports 3G radio, but I don't know if you can use it |
| 19:14.45 | Legorol | ok, different but related question, what are the frequencies used in US if anyone knows? |
| 19:15.31 | Lunessa | Legorol: I suppose the band licenses can be obtained from the FCC |
| 19:15.37 | cbreak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G, interesting. |
| 19:16.03 | Legorol | cbreak: yah i read that before |
| 19:16.05 | NightHawkTheSane | dude. my friend just got a job verifying/moderating google streetview images. |
| 19:16.20 | Legorol | cbreak: unfortunately you can't find out from there what's actually being used in the US or Europe |
| 19:16.39 | Fisker | sweet NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:16.47 | Fisker | that must be a fun job |
| 19:16.47 | cbreak | I know they paid a few billion ⬠a few years ago for the frequency licenses in germany |
| 19:16.49 | cbreak | crazy... |
| 19:17.53 | cbreak | Legorol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies, seems it's the 700MHz band |
| 19:18.09 | cbreak | among others :/ |
| 19:18.10 | Legorol | cbreak: can't be, Android phones don't support 700 ;) |
| 19:18.41 | Legorol | mmm |
| 19:19.12 | cbreak | I don't think android is that standardized |
| 19:20.02 | Fisker | why wouldn't android support it? |
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| 19:20.08 | Legorol | doesn't matter, an android phone used in the US would use the main 3G frequency available in the US |
| 19:20.15 | Legorol | and the nexus one doesn't know 700 MHz |
| 19:20.34 | Fisker | it would if it had an radio for it |
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| 19:20.53 | Legorol | so 700 can't be it |
| 19:20.53 | Legorol | from http://www.google.com/phone/static/en_US-nexusone_tech_specs.html: |
| 19:20.58 | Legorol | 3 UMTS bands (either 900/AWS/2100 MHz or 850/1900/2100 MHz) |
| 19:22.36 | Legorol | this one's useful though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands |
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| 19:26.45 | Fisker | robokitty |
| 19:26.46 | m^rk | if you modify a template, it doesn't automatically update any already created frames that use that template does it? if so then how do you supposed to make use of the nameList attribute for secure group headers? |
| 19:27.25 | m^rk | because the user will probably need to configure that list |
| 19:27.42 | alestane | Changing an attribute on a header automatically refreshes it. |
| 19:28.35 | m^rk | it refreshes all frames based on that template? |
| 19:29.06 | alestane | You can't modify templates while the game is running. |
| 19:29.20 | alestane | I misunderstood your question. |
| 19:30.00 | alestane | Well, you can override them, but that's a bit different and not very useful or convenient. |
| 19:30.14 | Kraps | whats the viability of specing disc/holy? |
| 19:30.55 | m^rk | i was trying to figure out a way to make use of the nameList attribute for securegroupheader but doesn't look like a way exists for the user to configure what names go into that list |
| 19:31.51 | alestane | Well, they can always /run someHeader:SetAttribute("nameList", somelistofnames) |
| 19:32.19 | alestane | If you want there to be a way for a user to configure a unit frame add-on graphically, you'll have to write a GUI for it though. |
| 19:34.09 | m^rk | hmm good idea- for some reason I was thinking that I needed to do it in the template but modifying the header directly I guess is the way to go.. yea I will have to figure out some kind of GUI |
| 19:36.14 | alestane | Almost anything that a template provides for a frame, you can override later. |
| 19:36.31 | alestane | Only rule is that you can't take protection off a frame. |
| 19:36.39 | alestane | Or change its name. |
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| 19:38.23 | m^rk | I guess simplest thing is an EditBox and make the user type in the names.. and later maybe make a better ui. thanks for the help alestane |
| 19:42.14 | Lunessa | For the lulz: http://www.techeye.net/internet/woman-says-3d-porno-made-her-pregnant |
| 19:43.25 | nicoli_s | thats awesomely terrible |
| 19:47.07 | batrick | hahahah |
| 19:47.37 | Shadowed | I think you're about a month late on that Lunessa :P |
| 19:47.40 | Fisker | moar like for the oldz omg Lunessa |
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| 19:48.48 | Lunessa | I just got a link to it today. I lol'ed. |
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| 19:55.41 | malreth | if i show pragnent girl 3d prono can i maek teh baby pragnent if its a girl? |
| 19:56.09 | malreth | and what if prono is lezbians? |
| 19:56.12 | Thunder_Child | malreth: that bothered me so much |
| 19:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | I... die inside. |
| 19:57.36 | Lopeppeppy | A lot. |
| 19:58.09 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 19:58.11 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 19:59.25 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 20:00.28 | Lunessa | malreth: Was that in your Ralph Wiggums voice? |
| 20:02.14 | DWSR | A-KO: Yeah, except for the fact that the Evo is not the greatest android device. |
| 20:02.22 | DWSR | I have an SE Xperia X10 with the new 1Ghz Snapdragon. |
| 20:02.25 | DWSR | Holy shit @ smooth.\ |
| 20:03.45 | batrick | wow |
| 20:03.52 | batrick | Adys: quote #100 ++++ |
| 20:04.07 | Kraps | Lunessa: thats not even funny. have you seen http://www.avatar-forums.com/general-avatar-forum/3480-ways-cope-depression-dream-pandora-being-intangible-part-4-a.html |
| 20:04.16 | Fisker | Good news everybody, i've invented a device that makes you read this is my voice |
| 20:04.47 | durcyn | you misspelled the word 'in'. seriously. |
| 20:05.25 | DWSR | Kraps: Words can't describe how utterly pathetic that really is. |
| 20:05.30 | Adys | batrick: :D |
| 20:05.44 | batrick | +1 internetz for you |
| 20:05.48 | Lunessa | washing my brain in bleach. brb |
| 20:06.10 | batrick | gotta get the gray out |
| 20:06.12 | Adys | there |
| 20:06.15 | Adys | updated with the last one |
| 20:06.25 | nicoli_s | wants quotez |
| 20:06.44 | batrick | that's wierd |
| 20:06.58 | batrick | your page html escapes '<' improperly but not '>' |
| 20:08.06 | Adys | not mine, but yeha |
| 20:09.31 | DWSR | Adys: You still haven't quoted the earlier shenanigans. |
| 20:10.16 | Adys | DWSR: i have |
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| 20:13.13 | DWSR | Ah, there it is. |
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| 20:13.33 | DWSR | URL encoding fail, but otherwise intact. :P |
| 20:17.43 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZdS2KKvwVo |
| 20:17.45 | Adys | win |
| 20:19.05 | Fisker | 1+1 = 2 |
| 20:25.42 | Thunder_Child | damn, i am good |
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| 20:29.44 | Kraps | no Thunder_Child |
| 20:30.50 | Thunder_Child | oh my yes Kraps |
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| 20:46.18 | Arrowmaster | Adys: what i was sleeping |
| 20:46.47 | Adys | Arrowmaster: i fixed it |
| 20:46.50 | Adys | took me a hour or so |
| 20:47.01 | Adys | had issues with boot hanging at /scripts/init-bottom |
| 20:47.23 | Arrowmaster | ubuntu uses upstart, i dont know crap about that shit |
| 20:47.32 | Adys | well it was an issue with apt |
| 20:47.52 | Adys | had to chroot from a live cd and run a --reinstall on like 100 packages or so |
| 20:51.52 | Dashkal | For midrange, is intel or amd on top atm? |
| 20:52.02 | Dashkal | ~$200 |
| 20:52.35 | Cide | get an i* if you can |
| 20:52.41 | Cide | they're pretty sweet |
| 20:53.07 | Dashkal | *nods* I'm hearing good things about intel |
| 20:53.10 | Cide | no idea about prices though |
| 20:53.27 | Dashkal | I'm usually an AMD guy, but I'm not all _that_ loyal |
| 20:53.51 | Dashkal | I finally get to upgrade. now is the time to price everything out |
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| 20:59.28 | Adys | Dashkal, general rule, cpus intel > amd, gpus nvidia > ati > intel |
| 21:00.19 | Cide | except for the gpus part |
| 21:00.23 | Cide | where ati > nvidia |
| 21:00.29 | Cide | except if you like command lines |
| 21:00.33 | Cide | in which case you need nvidia for that pro fps |
| 21:01.30 | Gnarfoz | Fisker Cide |
| 21:01.49 | Dashkal | I run linux. ATI is a waste of time |
| 21:01.51 | haste | what if I like stable linux drivers? |
| 21:02.04 | haste | ATi is barely keeping up with xorg |
| 21:02.11 | Cide | <+Cide> except if you like command lines |
| 21:02.14 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.16 | Gnarfoz | there is no ATi anymore, get with the times |
| 21:02.19 | Cide | I already took linux into account |
| 21:03.20 | Cide | also |
| 21:03.20 | Cide | I run ati on debian just fine at home |
| 21:03.20 | Cide | you just have to run squeeze and not lenny |
| 21:03.20 | Cide | and the drivers work fine |
| 21:03.20 | Dashkal | debian... I prefer my update cycles to be faster than three years... |
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| 21:03.35 | Cide | shrug |
| 21:03.41 | Cide | I'm a total linux noob |
| 21:03.45 | Cide | so I just went with whatever |
| 21:03.49 | Cide | that wasn't ubuntu |
| 21:03.55 | Dashkal | Though when I put a server together, I'll seriously consider deb |
| 21:04.16 | Gnarfoz | if you can suppress the inner want for current versions, that'll work out nicely |
| 21:04.33 | Fisker | nvidia > ati Cide |
| 21:04.35 | Dashkal | for a server, I more or less don't give a damn. |
| 21:04.38 | Fisker | or amd |
| 21:04.40 | Fisker | whatever |
| 21:04.48 | Cide | if you want a power plant in your room maybe |
| 21:04.52 | Cide | and you only run linux |
| 21:04.59 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: totally depends on what that server is used for, though |
| 21:05.01 | Fisker | i don't have a power plant |
| 21:05.08 | Dashkal | I'd prefer it forwindows anyway. I've never had a good experience with ati drivers |
| 21:05.27 | Fisker | Well i can tell you that the Qualcomm Snapdragon is better than Intel and AMD then Cide |
| 21:05.32 | Fisker | Qualcomm > Intel |
| 21:05.43 | Gnarfoz | hey, it worked, I summoned Fisker and he's defending his overly expensive nvidia card! |
| 21:06.07 | batrick | "Jobs referenced the phone's new operating system -- announced in April -- which he called "iOS" and which will allow multitasking -- letting users surf the Web on their phones, for example, while listening to streaming radio through Pandora. It's "the most advanced mobile operating system in the world," he said." |
| 21:06.12 | Fisker | defending it what way? |
| 21:06.23 | batrick | Jobs is so full of shit. My iPaq could multitask and that was 10 years ago. |
| 21:06.27 | Fisker | Presumably we're talking about the most powerful hardware |
| 21:06.32 | Fisker | in which case we're talking Intel and Nvidia |
| 21:06.55 | Fisker | If you mean the best overall product, then i don't think Intel can be considered nessecarily better than AMD |
| 21:07.30 | batrick | 17:05:27 < Fisker> Well i can tell you that the Qualcomm Snapdragon is better than Intel and AMD then Cide |
| 21:07.33 | batrick | better in what way? |
| 21:07.44 | DWSR | I have a Snapdragon in my new phone. |
| 21:07.46 | DWSR | It's fucking win |
| 21:08.04 | Gnarfoz | is that an indirect way of saying you have a dragon in your... pants? |
| 21:08.24 | DWSR | no...? |
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| 21:09.12 | Fisker | batrick that's my questio |
| 21:09.16 | Fisker | question* |
| 21:09.20 | Fisker | i thought we were talking performance |
| 21:09.24 | Fisker | but apparently not |
| 21:09.27 | DWSR | Anyone notice that the SCV's in SC2 look like Goblin Harvesters? |
| 21:09.42 | batrick | I'm askin gyou to qualify what you said Fisker. |
| 21:10.08 | Fisker | read up on the context batrick |
| 21:10.49 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: The server will be used for file storage, the odd bit of media streaming, and if I get bored, a couple source game servers. |
| 21:11.06 | batrick | I don't see anything in the conversatino that justifies what you said |
| 21:11.55 | Fisker | Apparently ATi was best unless you wanted a powerplant in your room |
| 21:12.23 | Fisker | then Qualcomm must be better than Intel since it uses much less power |
| 21:12.38 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: beware of that media streaming app requiring codes that require a current version of... *something* and you're fucked. |
| 21:12.50 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: (I admit, that's a bit of a stretch. ^^) |
| 21:14.03 | Dashkal | Gnarfoz: I can build from source for an edge case like that one |
| 21:14.36 | Gnarfoz | I'll leave it to the ricers to point out which distro would be for you, in that case *g |
| 21:14.37 | Dashkal | But I'm not terribly worried. Simply pointing <insert media player here> at a shared folder of mp3s/oggs/flacs/whatevers will suffice for pretty much any of my use cases |
| 21:15.04 | Gnarfoz | yay distro wars! |
| 21:15.10 | Dashkal | Mostly I just want the server to "just work" and to be able to more or less ignore the damn thing. |
| 21:16.02 | Lunessa | *facepalm* "Um, my home computer run Ubuntu and it won't boot, what causes that?" |
| 21:16.16 | Dashkal | winces |
| 21:16.28 | Dashkal | step 1) Go buy a mac. profit |
| 21:16.31 | MoonWitch | Lunessa - tell em to buy a new pc :P |
| 21:16.37 | MoonWitch | it's always fun to do that |
| 21:16.46 | MoonWitch | wants a nailgun |
| 21:17.05 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: if only stuff were that easy... =\ |
| 21:17.15 | Dashkal | :P |
| 21:18.01 | Lunessa | My answer was "No one here is allowed to work on your personal computer, and no one here is a Linux guru. Check the Ubuntu forum and the internet for help with your Linux distro. Also, boot failure is more likely to be a hardware problem." |
| 21:18.13 | MoonWitch | aww |
| 21:18.34 | MoonWitch | I'm going to set up a lil game at work |
| 21:18.52 | MoonWitch | who can use the most non-existing words that sound incredibly hard in one call |
| 21:18.53 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 21:19.10 | MoonWitch | (while having a sensible sentence etc) |
| 21:20.38 | MoonWitch | is tired |
| 21:20.46 | MoonWitch | leans up against something |
| 21:21.51 | Dashkal | "non-existing" + "sensible sentence" = 0/1? |
| 21:22.03 | Dashkal | erm, 1/0 |
| 21:22.04 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 21:22.24 | MoonWitch | like non-existing words, but when you look at the sentence it looks ok |
| 21:23.36 | MoonWitch | eg. Yes Ma'am, I think you <hard verb> accidentally, so your <hard word> is now <tricky verb> and you have to <even trickier verb, by now your client will be stuttering> |
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| 21:26.26 | Lunessa | You need to sort out the grammar first, but you could use a Mad Libs type of fill-in-the-blank for that. |
| 21:26.39 | MoonWitch | i am exhausted |
| 21:26.47 | MoonWitch | lollypops are sensible |
| 21:26.54 | MoonWitch | and my wall is moving |
| 21:27.19 | airtonix | too much LSD ? |
| 21:27.33 | MoonWitch | i dont do lsd |
| 21:27.41 | Lunessa | Lollypops are always sensible and often figure prominently in imagery designed to titillate. |
| 21:27.42 | airtonix | as far as you know |
| 21:27.44 | Dashkal | Bleh, the hardware game got hard in the last three years. |
| 21:27.59 | Dashkal | The CPU I want only seems to work with some of the slowest ddr3 ram.. |
| 21:28.33 | Fisker | so? |
| 21:29.13 | Dashkal | beats Fisker over the head with a large sign saying "It's FF!" |
| 21:29.19 | Fisker | Fx |
| 21:29.22 | Fisker | just gonna reboot though |
| 21:29.22 | Fisker | brb |
| 21:29.40 | Fisker | this is your chance to have a few minutes of uninterrupted non-fisker chat |
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| 21:29.57 | MoonWitch | quick lock the door |
| 21:30.07 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 21:30.14 | MoonWitch | typed too slow |
| 21:30.16 | MoonWitch | damnit |
| 21:30.21 | airtonix | <airtonix logs in as Fisker> |
| 21:30.32 | Dashkal | Ok, parts might-as-well-be-a-newbie here. Is my max ram speed my FSB speed? |
| 21:30.50 | MoonWitch | no |
| 21:31.15 | MoonWitch | your FSB speed will dictacte your max ram speed (assuming your ram is equally fast or faster than the FSB) |
| 21:31.33 | airtonix | in russia FSB dictate you |
| 21:31.40 | Dashkal | that's more or less what I was trying to ask. |
| 21:31.56 | MoonWitch | did i explain it half understandable |
| 21:32.05 | Dashkal | If I got you, buying ram that's faster than my FSB is a waste of time. |
| 21:32.10 | Dashkal | but it will work |
| 21:32.25 | Lunessa | Dashkal: Mostly correct. |
| 21:32.28 | airtonix | you can't escape the FSB |
| 21:32.30 | MoonWitch | more or less |
| 21:32.42 | MoonWitch | your best off matching the FSB |
| 21:32.46 | Lunessa | FSB determines how quickly components can exchange bits. |
| 21:32.47 | durcyn | airtonix: I totally read that as "You can't escape the flying spaghetti monster" |
| 21:32.51 | durcyn | it was much better my way. |
| 21:33.02 | Arrowmaster | meh im running my ram at 1333 instead of 1066 on my i7 920 |
| 21:33.03 | Dashkal | *nods* That's what I needed to understand. |
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| 21:33.05 | bluspacecow | gahhh not staying long .... just typing up a quick dr who LJ post then off to bed |
| 21:33.12 | bluspacecow | >_> I r tired |
| 21:33.22 | airtonix | except Flying Spaghetti Monsters don't blow up apartments with c6 |
| 21:33.33 | DWSR | c4? |
| 21:33.36 | Dashkal | looks like all the ~200 quad core intels are 1333, so I'm stuck with it. |
| 21:33.37 | airtonix | no |
| 21:33.48 | airtonix | c4 is plastique |
| 21:34.48 | MoonWitch | soooo |
| 21:34.57 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: i wouldnt get a core2quad |
| 21:35.25 | Fisker | yeah i'd get a six-core i7 |
| 21:35.36 | MoonWitch | I want to upgrade my pc some too - but sadly after the laptop - my bling is gone |
| 21:35.46 | MoonWitch | and the next cash is going into a car |
| 21:35.59 | MoonWitch | so that leaves one thing |
| 21:36.10 | MoonWitch | I gotta sell my body for a kick ass top notch machine |
| 21:36.23 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: No? |
| 21:36.46 | Dashkal | I have little use for a 6 core. 4 is pushing it as it is |
| 21:36.51 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: go with the cheapest i7 |
| 21:36.51 | bluspacecow | !seen Fisker |
| 21:36.53 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: That's a popular option on das interwebben. |
| 21:36.56 | Fisker | ~seen Fisker |
| 21:36.59 | purl | fisker is currently on #sc2mapster (3m 49s) #wowuidev (3m 49s) #wowace (3m 49s) #wowwiki (3m 49s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 3s, last said: '~seen Fisker'. |
| 21:37.01 | MoonWitch | yes |
| 21:37.05 | bluspacecow | dang i always get that wrong |
| 21:37.20 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: or an i5 without intergrated graphics, i think theres a few without |
| 21:37.29 | MoonWitch | and I think we have a good starting audience here :P |
| 21:37.34 | Dashkal | the cheapest i7 eats most of my mudget ($800 total) |
| 21:38.29 | airtonix | keep saving |
| 21:38.43 | Dashkal | hmm, the i5 70 doesn't look too bad |
| 21:38.54 | Dashkal | I'm running a pC that's 4 years old. I've had enough :P |
| 21:39.37 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: If the fee is reasonable, and the site isn't flash I'm sure you'll get lots of sign-ups. :P |
| 21:39.48 | airtonix | unless its an amstrad z80 im sure you're just submitting to peer pressure |
| 21:39.50 | MoonWitch | I loathe flash myself |
| 21:39.56 | MoonWitch | so I wouldn't |
| 21:40.19 | airtonix | you've waited 4 years... whats another 10 ? |
| 21:40.45 | airtonix | months |
| 21:40.51 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 21:41.28 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: yeah looks like the i5-7xx dont have integrated graphics and are quad core LGA1156, looks like a good buy |
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| 21:42.20 | Dashkal | Also seeing this one (I have access to staff pricing) http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/intel-intel-core-i7-860-2-8ghz-quad-core-cpu-i7-860/10144335.aspx?path=c77eec934b23bc2cf49cd31f90ceeb24en02 |
| 21:43.34 | Fisker | haha |
| 21:43.37 | Fisker | steam hating cunts :( |
| 21:43.50 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Fisker!~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Fisker) |
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| 21:43.56 | Fisker | no! |
| 21:44.00 | Lunessa | Dashkal: Might you get it even cheaper elsewhere? |
| 21:44.12 | MoonWitch | don't say the c word ;) |
| 21:44.21 | Fisker | she started it |
| 21:44.30 | bluspacecow | cuniform ? |
| 21:44.33 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 21:44.34 | bluspacecow | "quick lock the door" |
| 21:44.36 | bluspacecow | brb |
| 21:44.44 | durcyn | you left off an e, i do believe. |
| 21:44.58 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: is that in canadian dolars? |
| 21:45.16 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: yes, though CAD and USD are pretty close atm |
| 21:45.37 | Arrowmaster | newegg has it for $279.99 USD |
| 21:45.42 | Dashkal | nice |
| 21:45.49 | Dashkal | I'm hardly married to one provider :P |
| 21:45.59 | bluspacecow | back door was unlocked ! ty moonwitch ! |
| 21:46.10 | Arrowmaster | i ordered every single part for my last build from newegg |
| 21:46.12 | MoonWitch | i wish i was -- free computers :) |
| 21:47.37 | MoonWitch | bluspacecow: you're most welcome |
| 21:47.42 | MoonWitch | ok i gotta go sleep some |
| 21:47.45 | MoonWitch | i am keeling over |
| 21:47.52 | MoonWitch | sweet dreams ppl |
| 21:47.59 | airtonix | should stop drinking so much vodka |
| 21:48.45 | Dashkal | Arrowmaster: thanks much for the heads up. now I at least have my starting point |
| 21:49.41 | Arrowmaster | Dashkal: i think the i5-7xx and the i7-8xx are interchangeable as far as motherboard and ram go |
| 21:50.53 | eidolarr | I have some questions about curseforge's packaging system |
| 21:51.12 | nicoli_s | eidolarr:what about them? |
| 21:51.37 | eidolarr | the idea is that you don't track the libraries in your repository, they're added by the packager, right? |
| 21:51.45 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:51.48 | Kraps | bluspacecow: were you ever on Dalvynger US? |
| 21:52.03 | eidolarr | so if i am working on an addon and i have .pkgmeta instead of libs/ |
| 21:52.03 | bluspacecow | not that I can recall Kraps |
| 21:52.08 | eidolarr | how does my addon run for debugging? |
| 21:52.21 | bluspacecow | I may of been @ some point for testing but only as a level 1 |
| 21:52.33 | Arrowmaster | most authors run disembedded libraries |
| 21:52.57 | eidolarr | but they still add the externals to their .pkgmeta? |
| 21:53.01 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:53.33 | eidolarr | ok, and for a newbie still learning to use .pkgmeta, i can push a beta and then download it without making it live, right? |
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| 21:53.54 | Arrowmaster | other people can download your betas |
| 21:54.02 | Fisker | i'll download your beta |
| 21:54.04 | Arrowmaster | if thats what you mean by 'live' |
| 21:54.26 | eidolarr | yeah but for it to show up on curse.com it needs to be tagged stable or release right? |
| 21:54.32 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:54.42 | Arrowmaster | betas show up on curse.com |
| 21:54.57 | eidolarr | so what do i need to do to test if my packaging is right |
| 21:55.09 | Arrowmaster | well you can use betas |
| 21:55.29 | Arrowmaster | you can also create an alpha tag if you really dont want others to get it |
| 21:55.54 | Arrowmaster | just have "-alpha" at the end of the tag name i think |
| 21:55.56 | eidolarr | so tag it with somethnigsomething-alpha ? |
| 21:55.59 | eidolarr | ok |
| 21:56.01 | eidolarr | thanks a lot |
| 21:56.43 | bluspacecow | @kraps - why do you ask ? |
| 21:57.28 | Kraps | your name is familiar |
| 21:59.11 | Kraps | "Oh, and since hunters are getting screwed out of mana pots and the int buffs, is there any thought as to focus pots and some kind of focus buff?" |
| 21:59.14 | Kraps | lol |
| 21:59.39 | durcyn | hunters use... mana potions? |
| 21:59.39 | bluspacecow | kk bed time guys \o |
| 22:00.46 | Kraps | ive been screwed out of mana pots as a Warrior all along :( |
| 22:01.14 | eidolarr | rage pots are even better! |
| 22:01.19 | eidolarr | althuogh these days you have full rage constantly |
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| 22:03.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: as someone who worked from 6:00 AM until 1:00 AM friday --> saturday, I agree with your status message |
| 22:03.28 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 22:03.38 | Lunessa | SBO: Glad you liked it. |
| 22:04.58 | Lunessa | For those who are confused, "Work is like an 800# gorilla on crack who really, really, really thinks I have all the bananas. " |
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| 22:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | did 12 hours tuesday/thursday, 6:00 AM to 2:00 AM saturday, 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM saturday again, and I have 12 hour days the rest of the week |
| 22:06.10 | Lunessa | Are they paying you the big 1.5x for overtime? |
| 22:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 22:07.25 | Lunessa | Mo' money! |
| 22:07.52 | airtonix | you'll be able to buy more fiskerBots(tm) |
| 22:08.47 | foxlit | gr, professors that use slightly different wordings than the rest of the world. |
| 22:09.27 | airtonix | you mean instead of just saying "Microsoft Office Powerpoint", they say "presentation" ? |
| 22:09.50 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/04/02/ |
| 22:09.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ how I picture a fisterBot |
| 22:10.33 | airtonix | lol |
| 22:10.39 | ScytheBlade1 | *fiskerBot |
| 22:11.32 | airtonix | when its not taking over fruit farms, it sits idle in irc |
| 22:12.19 | durcyn | fruitfucker's less anoying than fisker, though |
| 22:12.33 | airtonix | fisker is the dawn of skynet |
| 22:12.52 | airtonix | Fisker, i see through you |
| 22:16.50 | Lunessa | airtonix: You're giving him too much credit. Fisker is just this guy, you know? |
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| 22:36.32 | Thunder_Child | ahhaahahahahahahahahhhhahahaaaahahah |
| 22:37.07 | durcyn | whargarbl, ffmpeg works in for loops but not while loops |
| 22:41.56 | Thunder_Child | "<ScytheBlade1> ^ how I picture a fisterBot" i refused to click the link after reading that |
| 22:42.22 | bryno | durcyn: sup with ffmpeg? |
| 22:43.01 | durcyn | bryno: it keeps breaking my while loops |
| 22:43.13 | bryno | how are you using it? |
| 22:43.49 | durcyn | in this particular instance, ls -1 *.ac3 | while read i; do ffmpeg -i $i `basename $i ac3`aac -acodec libfaac -ac 2 -ab 16000;done |
| 22:44.00 | durcyn | works in a for i in `ls -1 *.ac3`; do |
| 22:45.11 | bryno | i don't think that'd be a problem specific to ffmpeg |
| 22:45.17 | bryno | do the file names have spaces? |
| 22:45.29 | durcyn | no. and ffmpeg's the only thing i've come across that breaks it |
| 22:45.50 | durcyn | oh well, this is what workarounds are for |
| 22:46.05 | Thunder_Child | works around durcyn |
| 22:46.07 | Fisker | blows up Thunder_Child |
| 22:46.17 | Thunder_Child | dodges Fisker |
| 22:46.21 | Fisker | http://api.ning.com/files/yxovynJdoZDvZlHKtRUXCgxDi4FrP2JYcfHR9ZHf6wBQiy2dBbDSKZCV8YaLOvJceFw8esZKBhPz-PeqBqP*kgn5S6F3hpzB/zRW8t3fL6102.png <-people are stupid |
| 22:46.44 | bryno | durcyn: that only reason i asked, i've worked a bit with the ffmpeg libraries directly plus some of the devs :< |
| 22:47.31 | durcyn | bryno: yeah, it may be something specific to my compile, gentoo can be a funny thing sometimes |
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| 22:57.58 | Fisker | do you agree Thunder_Child ? |
| 23:00.09 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: yes, but not because of that |
| 23:00.42 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: can aoe be dodged? |
| 23:01.06 | Fisker | why not Thunder_Child |
| 23:01.08 | Fisker | ? |
| 23:01.29 | Kraps | Fisker: what is that? |
| 23:02.00 | Fisker | someone photoshopping a duke nukem into a valve site |
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| 23:02.56 | Corrodias2 | year 2061, month 81, day 0 |
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| 23:16.04 | airtonix | duke nukem |
| 23:16.59 | airtonix | from the present moment you consider first : the day, then the month then the year. only sadistic accountants go in reverse |
| 23:19.18 | Lunessa | And oracle databases |
| 23:24.14 | Fisker | slaps airtonix around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:24.16 | Fisker | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
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| 23:27.45 | cog|away | sends catholic priests after Fisker |
| 23:27.58 | Thunder_Child | slaps you around with Fisker |
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| 23:31.31 | Thunder_Child | besides the fact that it makes it sound like it's the first one ever, it does have some interesting features http://www.digsby.com/ |
| 23:33.31 | Fisker | slaps cog|away around a bit with a large trout |
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| 23:43.34 | Thunder_Child | lol even wow > flash A critical vulnerability has been discovered in Adobe Flash Player 10.0.45.2 and Adobe Reader/Acrobat 9.x, and could potentially be used to target World of Warcraft players and accounts. |
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| 23:45.21 | durcyn | nobody every got fired for buying adobe |
| 23:46.09 | Kraps | should i be worried? |
| 23:53.46 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: are you an idiot? |
| 23:55.29 | theorbtwo | Hmm. Couldn't *every* vuln potentially be used to target WoW players? |
| 23:55.58 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: last time i checked i didnt seem to be |
| 23:57.37 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: then i would say no |
| 23:58.10 | Kraps | k |
