| 00:01.39 | Cide | it gets a fixed link |
| 00:01.55 | Cide | how is this difficult to grasp? |
| 00:02.10 | WobWork | Cide: Telling It How It Is. |
| 00:02.22 | Cide | since 1999 |
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| 00:06.05 | Thunder_Child | how did kd3 pull this off |
| 00:09.14 | WobWork | he kept twisting and tugging |
| 00:09.17 | WobWork | til it snapped |
| 00:09.27 | Kraps | ^ |
| 00:09.54 | Kraps | so whats up with Half-Life 3 ep 3? |
| 00:10.15 | Kraps | err 2 ep 3 |
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| 00:11.41 | theorbtwo | Kraps: No offical word. There's been some hints in the ARG that may or may not have anything to do with Valve. |
| 00:12.22 | theorbtwo | There's lots of suggestion toward the end of ep2 that ep3 would be related to portal. |
| 00:12.44 | theorbtwo | That meant that it would have made a lot of sense to release ep3 and portal 2 either at the same time or in quick sequence. |
| 00:12.51 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GoogleOpenSourceBlog/~3/N7nr1asM3W0/google-chromes-rlz-library-is-now-open.html |
| 00:13.30 | theorbtwo | ...but since Word of God is that portal 2 is set several hundred years after 1, but is released before ep 3, it doesn't look like they will be related. |
| 00:14.34 | theorbtwo | can't fucking wait for portal 2. |
| 00:14.42 | theorbtwo | ...or at least e3 for the ARG to restart. |
| 00:14.51 | Kraps | theorbtwo: whats the arg? |
| 00:16.00 | theorbtwo | alternate realty game. I'm not a big fan of the name, but it seems to have caught on. Valve left a series of clues to where to get tantalizing glimpses about Portal 2. |
| 00:16.05 | theorbtwo | http://portalwiki.net/ |
| 00:16.23 | Kraps | portal is the agr? |
| 00:16.28 | Kraps | arg* |
| 00:17.36 | cbreak | portal rocks. :) |
| 00:17.38 | theorbtwo | No. There was an update to portal which included new radios that, when placed in certian points in the level, give wierd noises. |
| 00:18.20 | theorbtwo | If you decode the messages in the noises, you get images, which give the number of a BBS, which gives you files that you have to decode, which give you ascii art images. |
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| 00:18.42 | airtonix | which leads you to Kevin Bacon |
| 00:19.02 | alestane | Because everything leads to Kevin Bacon. |
| 00:19.17 | airtonix | monmonmon |
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| 00:20.18 | foxlit | http://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA << help. |
| 00:22.39 | Kraps | lrn2blackberry imo |
| 00:23.05 | Thunder_Child | Bacon or Death? |
| 00:25.59 | WobWork | foxlit: ? |
| 00:27.06 | foxlit | WobWork: I'm not sure how I got there -- I think it was from the BPGlobalPR parody -- but the "verified account" tag scares me in conjunction with message content and general spelling |
| 00:27.45 | WobWork | what were you expecting? =P |
| 00:28.31 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: it's merely proof that just because you have a voice doesn't mean you hvae anything worth hearing. |
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| 00:28.42 | foxlit | WobWork: sanity. |
| 00:28.48 | foxlit | Perhaps some grammar. |
| 00:28.52 | WobWork | ... from Palin? |
| 00:28.53 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: from that twitter page? HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 00:29.04 | foxlit | Less ampersands, at least. |
| 00:30.33 | foxlit | also, "ease&quiet;its" makes me think of html escaping errors |
| 00:30.45 | Cide | that's what I read it as too |
| 00:31.07 | Cide | ease its |
| 00:31.17 | foxlit | ", perhaps |
| 00:31.25 | Cide | yeah |
| 00:32.54 | WobWork | terrible case of "I don't quite grasp the fact that the 140 character limit is to encourage brevity" |
| 00:36.50 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: that's the least of the things she doesn't quite grasp. |
| 00:36.59 | NightHawkTheSane | also: hilarious: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/06/02/today-in-dads-embarrassing-their-unwitting-sons-on-the-internet |
| 00:37.47 | Kraps | eh http://twitpic.com/1tdk9z |
| 00:44.33 | Kraps | http://www.mikeweatherly.com/2009/07/gibbs-rules-50-rules-but-only-these-have-been-revealed.html |
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| 00:52.59 | bluspacecow | -_- |
| 00:53.23 | bluspacecow | i hate it when people use flash for something they dont need flash for |
| 00:53.24 | bluspacecow | eg |
| 00:53.30 | bluspacecow | http://www.leagueofpirates.com/sirvival/queuedance.html |
| 00:53.36 | bluspacecow | non interactive movie ? |
| 00:53.42 | bluspacecow | just upload it to youtube :( |
| 00:54.14 | bluspacecow | or even better just use html5's video tag! |
| 00:55.26 | foxlit | bluspacecow: in this case, you don't have a leg to stand on. |
| 00:55.40 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 00:55.56 | Cide | that's a perfect use case of flash |
| 00:56.28 | bluspacecow | but its not interactive |
| 00:56.35 | bluspacecow | why cant they just use a movie file ? |
| 00:56.39 | Cide | who said flash is only meant for interaction? |
| 00:56.42 | Cide | because it loops indefinitely |
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| 00:56.43 | foxlit | Because that'd be /stupid/. |
| 00:56.55 | Cide | and would take up a lot of memory and disk space |
| 00:56.56 | foxlit | It's currently ~186 KB |
| 00:57.00 | Cide | and would be much harder to create |
| 00:57.15 | Cide | and would be harder to view since everyone has flash |
| 00:57.18 | foxlit | Trying to encode the same thing as a video would take several orders of magnitude more. |
| 00:57.34 | Cide | and the movie would get taken down from youtube due to copyright infringement |
| 00:57.35 | Cide | ! |
| 00:59.14 | foxlit | by the looks of it, it'll never terminate either. |
| 00:59.29 | foxlit | the rate at which position in queue decreases seems to decrease over time. |
| 00:59.36 | bluspacecow | okays i just being selfish then :) |
| 00:59.52 | foxlit | I'm not sure "selfish" is the word for that. |
| 01:00.11 | bluspacecow | well... |
| 01:00.17 | bluspacecow | i dont have flash loaded |
| 01:00.23 | bluspacecow | and had to quit my browser just to view it |
| 01:00.28 | bluspacecow | and now im annoyed |
| 01:00.36 | bluspacecow | so selfish is possibly the right word ? |
| 01:00.43 | bluspacecow | noobish ? |
| 01:00.48 | Cide | COWISH |
| 01:00.54 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 01:00.56 | bluspacecow | mooooooooooo |
| 01:01.11 | Cide | anyone got boost python's dll files around? |
| 01:01.18 | Cide | compiled by vs2010 |
| 01:13.16 | Arrowmaster | Cide: actually a decent codec like h264 would probably probably take up a lot less diskspace because of mbtree, that flash is likely just a bunch of screenshots all stored in full quality |
| 01:13.47 | Cide | not for a decently long clip |
| 01:14.03 | Cide | since that flash movie repeats infinitely |
| 01:25.44 | kd3 | gah |
| 01:25.50 | kd3 | my authenticator's battery has given up the ghost |
| 01:27.26 | myrkraverk | that's ok, it's the weekly sleep for addon authors anyway (well in europe) |
| 01:31.00 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: er. not good! |
| 01:31.15 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: that's actually why I switched mine to my phone. |
| 01:32.26 | kd3 | and of course billing isn't taking calls thanks to the fact that blizzcon day #1 is tonight |
| 01:33.26 | Kraps | tickets go on sale 11 EST |
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| 01:37.32 | airtonix | talking about the evils of flash : http://lightspark.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:38.59 | Thunder_Child | ~burp |
| 01:38.59 | purl | ACTION burps loudly |
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| 01:39.32 | Thunder_Child | ~burp Fisker |
| 01:39.41 | Thunder_Child | damit purl |
| 01:39.49 | airtonix | ~lart purl |
| 01:39.50 | purl | turns airtonix into a lifesized tux doll |
| 01:39.53 | airtonix | :( |
| 01:40.01 | Thunder_Child | ~bad purl |
| 01:40.02 | purl | Bad purl, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 01:42.00 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, Dagmar iptables deals with tcp/ip layer 7 or not ? |
| 01:43.26 | DWSR | airtonix: yes, sort of. |
| 01:44.59 | Arrowmaster | it can |
| 01:46.27 | Cairenn | 15 minutes |
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| 01:46.46 | Arrowmaster | http://l7-filter.clearfoundation.com/ |
| 01:46.53 | Arrowmaster | i think that works with iptables |
| 01:47.05 | Thunder_Child | we should take bets on sellout times |
| 01:47.17 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 01:48.02 | Thunder_Child | i suspect it will sell even faster this year since blizz has beefed up it's servers yet again |
| 01:48.14 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: wasnt it just a few seconds last year? |
| 01:48.24 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: no, they had a snafu |
| 01:48.27 | Thunder_Child | last year |
| 01:48.58 | Thunder_Child | they even made extra tickets avaliable in response |
| 01:50.32 | kd3 | of all the days for my token to die >.< |
| 01:51.00 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, DWSR cheers |
| 01:52.04 | Thunder_Child | mourns porr kd3's token |
| 01:52.33 | Thunder_Child | wow...english fail on my part |
| 01:53.06 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5552978/going-on-a-harry-potter-killing-spree |
| 01:53.09 | Arrowmaster | goes back to trying to dodge this damn helicopter shooting missiles at his race car |
| 01:53.21 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: what game? |
| 01:53.27 | Arrowmaster | split/second |
| 01:53.29 | Thunder_Child | at least, i hope it's a game |
| 01:55.02 | Adys | Blizzcon ticket sales in 5 minutes |
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| 01:57.07 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 01:57.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:57.38 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how many connections the sales system can handle at once |
| 01:58.04 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?sid=1&topicId=25172040205 |
| 01:59.10 | Trela | BLIZZCON! |
| 01:59.27 | Thunder_Child | 10 seconds |
| 01:59.39 | Trela | Holy shit it is breaking! |
| 01:59.58 | Adys | the site is getting noticable slower |
| 02:00.35 | Kraps | Position: 13302 - Estimated time: 2 hours |
| 02:00.42 | kd3 | 16893 |
| 02:00.43 | kd3 | 2 hours |
| 02:01.17 | Kraps | shit does that mean i bought em :o |
| 02:01.21 | Trela | Position: 4271 - Estimated time: 56 minutes |
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| 02:01.33 | Thunder_Child | i think it's a queue |
| 02:01.38 | Trela | Well, at least my queue is good. |
| 02:02.07 | Kraps | but if i'm in the queue... |
| 02:02.14 | kd3 | read the big orange text |
| 02:02.21 | kd3 | "Please note that being in the queue does not guarantee that you will have the opportunity to purchase an item. " |
| 02:02.22 | Cairenn | rofl @ failoc-alypse |
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| 02:02.59 | Trela | Yeah, so if the first 1,500 people in the queue buy five tickets each we are all screwed. |
| 02:03.20 | Thunder_Child | they are only selling 7500 today? |
| 02:03.31 | Trela | I thought it was 8,000. |
| 02:03.37 | kd3 | they posted a number? |
| 02:03.56 | Trela | Maybe I imagined it. |
| 02:03.59 | Cairenn | geezus! http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A2982&_nkw=blizzcon&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=10&_sc=1 |
| 02:04.12 | Kraps | hah |
| 02:04.12 | kd3 | cairenn; you sound surprised |
| 02:04.26 | Cairenn | just, wow |
| 02:04.40 | Trela | Probably had those auctions ready to go. |
| 02:04.46 | Thunder_Child | like Cairenn has ever needed to stand in line to get tickets |
| 02:04.50 | kd3 | 84% left |
| 02:04.58 | kd3 | whistles |
| 02:05.11 | Trela | FFFFFFFF one of my coworkers go in under 300 in the queue. |
| 02:05.27 | ZorbaBeta | at this rate, only about 3500 of the queue will get tickets |
| 02:05.29 | WobWork | wow, nice |
| 02:05.31 | WobWork | $500 |
| 02:05.36 | Kraps | apparently people who use chrome have better luck |
| 02:05.56 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: Yeah |
| 02:06.05 | kd3 | 80% |
| 02:06.21 | Trela | Chrome is just faster. |
| 02:07.09 | WobWork | Opera is faster than boiling a potato |
| 02:07.18 | Trela | Our math guy at work is predicting any one over 12,500 will not get one. Looks like we have a chance. |
| 02:07.26 | Shadowed | your math guy fails at math |
| 02:07.30 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:07.30 | ZorbaBeta | 12,500? no way will it go that high |
| 02:07.31 | Thunder_Child | blizzcon > work |
| 02:07.34 | WobWork | rrr |
| 02:07.36 | WobWork | 'maths' |
| 02:07.43 | Shadowed | Basically 5k is the stretching it point |
| 02:07.45 | ZorbaBeta | 25% done and they haven't cleared 1000 people |
| 02:07.47 | kd3 | if people over 5k get it |
| 02:07.55 | Shadowed | More likely it'll be <4k getting it |
| 02:08.18 | Trela | Problem is people buying five to sell four of them. *Drools* |
| 02:08.34 | ZorbaBeta | trela, in fairness, I would have done almost that if I'd gotten tickets |
| 02:08.41 | kd3 | supply and demand |
| 02:08.42 | Shadowed | A lot of people also sell them to friends |
| 02:08.50 | ZorbaBeta | but I would've given them out to friends first, which might have eaten all five |
| 02:09.17 | Trela | Shadowed: I have two in the queue and I plan to give/sell the second to my room mate. If she does not want it, then a coworker will get it. |
| 02:11.30 | kd3 | 59 |
| 02:14.04 | Trela | 59? |
| 02:14.10 | Trela | Oh, the percentage. |
| 02:14.36 | Nechckn | The servers are definitely "better" but the number of tix is still stupid, stupid. |
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| 02:15.24 | gain | http://www.wowuigallery.com/topic/led-v2 -- anyone here know what color scheme he uses for class colors and waht not |
| 02:15.24 | kd3 | 45... |
| 02:15.26 | Kraps | why cant they get a bigger venue already? |
| 02:15.33 | gain | it's very pastely, which looks really awesome to me |
| 02:16.14 | Nechckn | Kraps This has pissed me off for the past 3 years... why, if you have an obvious throng of people wanting to go, would you not make it bigger? |
| 02:16.30 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: unless they rent disneyland, there is no where else in irvine |
| 02:16.37 | Trela | Kraps: As I understand it is run purely by Blizzard employees and they really do not want to pay a fuck ton to fly or bus the employees farther. |
| 02:17.21 | Nechckn | With these ticket prices and the increased number of them, they surely could get something bigger/better. But, whatever. |
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| 02:18.10 | Trela | Hello Sylvanaar~ |
| 02:18.20 | kd3 | 34... |
| 02:18.30 | Thunder_Child | Nechckn: there is nowhere there thats bigger afaik |
| 02:18.45 | sylvanaar | hello Trela |
| 02:19.04 | NightHawkTheSane | 33? |
| 02:19.23 | Nechckn | What would be wrong with Disney? Or ship 'em out of town for a week - or 'gasp' hire a few folks to help with setup/teardown, etc. |
| 02:19.52 | Thunder_Child | then it would cost more |
| 02:19.57 | Nechckn | There are companies that exist quite well by running a single convention/event each year. |
| 02:20.09 | Thunder_Child | i was joking about disney btw, i dont think they have a larger hall, |
| 02:20.15 | Thunder_Child | i was saying rent the whole park |
| 02:20.28 | Trela | Thrall riding the tea cups. |
| 02:20.34 | kd3 | ahaha |
| 02:20.53 | Trela | Deathwing munching on the castle. |
| 02:21.11 | kd3 | though disneyland's castle is pathetic. disneyworld's is bigger |
| 02:21.30 | Thunder_Child | and i can just see the 'it's a small world' ride 'wow'd' out |
| 02:21.50 | Trela | Sheesh, dropped from 27% to 23% with no numbers in between. |
| 02:21.56 | Nechckn | So, instead of being an enjoyable time for the "fans" it is a sardine time for those lucky enough to actually get in. |
| 02:22.44 | NightHawkTheSane | you could choose to not go? |
| 02:22.54 | Thunder_Child | unpossible NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:24.23 | Trela | SOLD OUT! |
| 02:24.25 | Thunder_Child | what do you figure, 50-100 tickets sold at any one time? |
| 02:24.40 | Thunder_Child | 24 min to sell out |
| 02:24.42 | gain | anyone know the answer to my question? :P |
| 02:24.44 | Thunder_Child | and thats with a queue system |
| 02:24.52 | gain | if there are RGB values out there for more pastely colors |
| 02:24.52 | Nechckn | Or you could sit around wanting to go for 3 years and being bummed out every time. It is just sad. |
| 02:25.14 | ZorbaBeta | gain, well, there certainly are. I mean, he used some |
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| 02:25.29 | ZorbaBeta | he may not have gotten them from a site, he might've just, y'know |
| 02:25.31 | ZorbaBeta | found them |
| 02:25.40 | Thunder_Child | gain: dunno, but it's not very pretty |
| 02:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i personally invent colors. |
| 02:26.35 | NightHawkTheSane | in entirely unrelated news: hot: http://imgur.com/m5WAA |
| 02:26.41 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: randall munroe does it better |
| 02:26.58 | NightHawkTheSane | he does everything better :( |
| 02:27.43 | Thunder_Child | he doesnt idle in this channel better than you |
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| 02:28.07 | NightHawkTheSane | .. there's an argument to be made that by not being here, he kind of does. |
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| 02:28.29 | Shadowed | curses auto retopic |
| 02:28.35 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shadowed |
| 02:28.36 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Shadowed. I hate you because you fail. |
| 02:28.41 | Shadowed | I blame IRC |
| 02:28.43 | Shadowed | well ChanServ mostly |
| 02:28.46 | Shadowed | kicks ChanServ |
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| 02:29.03 | Thunder_Child | careful, ChanServ kicks back |
| 02:29.12 | Shadowed | I was debating kicking ChanServ |
| 02:29.15 | Shadowed | but I didn't know what would happen |
| 02:29.24 | NightHawkTheSane | awesome: http://io9.com/5553975/ |
| 02:29.49 | Nechckn | The end of all time, Shadowed, the end of all time. =) |
| 02:31.28 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: doubt you can |
| 02:31.38 | Shadowed | aw |
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| 02:40.37 | WobWork | http://io9.com/5553796/why-you-should-be-happy-del-toro-left-the-hobbit?skyline=true&s=i |
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| 02:59.32 | Kraps | anti-scalper qqers have a point |
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| 03:06.38 | Shirik | Toby Keith is so awesome |
| 03:06.43 | Shirik | Poor little infamous America's town./ She gained five pounds and lost her crown. / Quick fix plastic surgical antidote. / Got herself a record deal, cant even sing a note. |
| 03:06.43 | Shirik | Plasma gettin bigger, Jesus gettin smaller. / Spill a cup of coffee, make a million dollars. / Customs caught a thug with an aerosol can. / If the shoe don't fit, fits gonna hit the shan. |
| 03:06.56 | Shirik | I especially like the "Spill a cup of coffee, make a million dollars" |
| 03:07.04 | cogwheel | plasma gettin bigger ... needs moar pixels though imo |
| 03:07.14 | cogwheel | and wasn't it 2mil? ;) |
| 03:07.28 | Shirik | I don't know :P |
| 03:08.07 | cogwheel | when i heard that star wars ep2 was in 1080p it made total sense why it looked all blurry on the largest screen in the theater >< |
| 03:08.10 | Shirik | Thats us, Thats right / Gotta love this American ride / Both ends of the ozone burnin. / Funny how the world keeps turnin. |
| 03:08.31 | cogwheel | hey now... the clean air act may be contributing to global warming :> |
| 03:08.31 | Shirik | wtf is CLEAR USERS |
| 03:08.34 | Shirik | and why did it kick me |
| 03:09.35 | Arrowmaster | cogwheel: theaters dont use 1080p, they use whats called 2k and 4k |
| 03:09.57 | cogwheel | i must be remembering wrong then |
| 03:10.08 | cogwheel | i thought i read that it was filmed in 1080p |
| 03:10.11 | Arrowmaster | but 2k is very similar to 1080p |
| 03:10.18 | Arrowmaster | it was filmed in digital |
| 03:10.47 | Thunder_Child | bottom of the page http://www.red.com/cameras/technology/ |
| 03:11.00 | Thunder_Child | gives you a slight understanding of the size diffs |
| 03:11.46 | Thunder_Child | there was a better image, but hell if i can find it |
| 03:12.53 | cogwheel | http://starwars.com/episode-ii/bts/production/news20000409.html |
| 03:13.16 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cinematography |
| 03:13.58 | cogwheel | "These tests, which include image performance and system functionality culminated in comparative shoots with motion picture film, convinced George Lucas and producer, Rick McCallum of the benefits of shooting in digital 24P at 1920 x 1080 HD sampling." |
| 03:14.30 | cogwheel | pwnt ;) |
| 03:14.57 | Arrowmaster | they also did it anamorphic |
| 03:15.22 | cogwheel | yeah... i was sooo tempted to get a physical anamorphic lens for my projector |
| 03:15.23 | Arrowmaster | used a 16:9 resolution to record 2.40:1 |
| 03:15.30 | Thunder_Child | 2K is 2048x1080 |
| 03:16.20 | Iriel | I think the more relevant figure is that wikipedia says that nromal projection positive film has about 2k lines of resolution which is only twice that of 1080 lines, so while the picture may be blurry it's likely not SIGNIFICANTLY moreso than a normal movie. |
| 03:16.44 | Iriel | (That said, I want more pixels too) |
| 03:16.46 | cogwheel | i probably only noticed because I worked in the projection booth at the time :P |
| 03:16.50 | Thunder_Child | "Most digital features to date have been shot at 1920x1080 HD resolution" |
| 03:17.04 | cogwheel | yeah, that xkcd the other week really hit home for me |
| 03:17.33 | cogwheel | the largest screen we had was, i'd say, at the upper limit of enjoyability for 35mm film |
| 03:17.49 | Shirik | (20:16:13) (@Iriel) ... wikipedia says |
| 03:17.59 | Arrowmaster | also im not sure but ive still yet to find a single thing that proves they really use 24fps instead of 23.976fps and rounding it to 24fps when they talk about it |
| 03:18.12 | Shirik | funny thing |
| 03:18.12 | cogwheel | I KNOW RITE? |
| 03:18.15 | Shirik | I read an article today |
| 03:18.21 | Kraps | http://cgi.ebay.com/Blizzcon-2005-Murky-Blue-Murloc-Egg-Code-/180515149090?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a078a9522 |
| 03:18.28 | Kraps | wtf |
| 03:18.32 | Kraps | srsly |
| 03:18.33 | Shirik | some experts in Cancer decided to evaluate a bunch of cancer-related articles |
| 03:18.36 | Shirik | on wikipedia |
| 03:18.59 | Shirik | their findings? The articles were accurate an thorough. The biggest problem was their difficulty to be read by the average user |
| 03:19.13 | Shadowed | not surprising |
| 03:19.18 | Iriel | That doesn't surprise me either |
| 03:19.21 | Shirik | response on the mailing list: |
| 03:19.46 | Shirik | Not surprised at all. I have a college level math education and I can't understand a word on half the quality math articles |
| 03:19.53 | Thunder_Child | simple.wikipedia.com |
| 03:19.59 | cogwheel | hugs his murky @ Kraps |
| 03:19.59 | Shirik | no fuck simple |
| 03:20.02 | Shirik | simple is as broken as commons |
| 03:20.16 | Shadowed | well, how are they defining average user |
| 03:20.21 | Shadowed | Average computer user, average wikipedia user? |
| 03:20.28 | Shirik | average reader |
| 03:20.35 | Shirik | someone who might look it up one day |
| 03:20.39 | Shadowed | yea not surprising |
| 03:20.44 | Arrowmaster | average out of everybody in the world? |
| 03:21.05 | Kraps | cogwheel: is it worth $2300? |
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| 03:22.29 | cogwheel | nah http://cgi.ebay.com/Blizzcon-2005-Murky-Blue-Murloc-Egg-Code-WOW-Loot-/220614977531 |
| 03:22.36 | cogwheel | although that one's borderline fraud |
| 03:22.40 | cogwheel | look at the fine print >< |
| 03:22.48 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 03:22.56 | Shadowed | that's not really borderline |
| 03:22.59 | Jerub | Shirik: i've read some of those articles and thought, "given 6 hours i could rewrite this so that someone can understand it" |
| 03:23.01 | Shadowed | that's basically fraud |
| 03:23.22 | Shadowed | He's relying on the "fine print" to get away with it |
| 03:24.02 | Legorol | i agree it's fraud, the title says "murloc egg code", whereas he is basically selling a beta code |
| 03:24.14 | Shadowed | and wow loot |
| 03:24.54 | Legorol | that too, and there is no in-game loot of any sort |
| 03:26.23 | cogwheel | they give you 100 characters to describe the fraud... |
| 03:26.27 | cogwheel | Description is desceptive. See "fine print" Beta code from 2005 is useless now. Need more characters |
| 03:26.49 | Shadowed | pretty funny thought |
| 03:27.01 | Shadowed | he might as well have sold gold bars in a box, and said you only get the box |
| 03:27.36 | Kraps | this explodes with awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=055pyHT_XNM#t=5m52s |
| 03:27.37 | Legorol | Selling boxes of gold bars. fine print: these are the boxes that gold bars came in. :) |
| 03:27.44 | Legorol | technically even my title is correct ;) |
| 03:29.08 | Iriel | I'm not sure it would be |
| 03:29.13 | Iriel | Boxes for gold bars, or gold bar boxes |
| 03:29.17 | Iriel | but not boxes OF gold bars |
| 03:30.34 | Legorol | hmm |
| 03:31.11 | Legorol | i'm suspicious of my web browser suddenly. i just went to youtube, and there are a bunch of ebay adverts, advertising products very closely related to things i was looking at a couple of hours ago on a few websites |
| 03:31.40 | Legorol | including the exact motherboard model i was looking at in an online shop earlier today |
| 03:31.57 | Arrowmaster | youtube has ads? |
| 03:32.11 | Arrowmaster | never seen them before |
| 03:37.59 | Legorol | has for me... to the right of the video, above the links to related videos |
| 03:40.54 | Kraps | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&n=Torla |
| 03:41.41 | gain | man sometimes the colors dont show up right on my screen |
| 03:41.49 | gain | like i size everything to give a 1 px border |
| 03:41.53 | gain | and sometimes it overlaps on the right side |
| 03:41.55 | gain | or on the top or whatever |
| 03:41.58 | gain | know whats up with that? |
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| 03:49.20 | gain | damn it |
| 03:49.22 | gain | this is annoying |
| 04:00.32 | WobWork | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/02/miami-living-magazine-fea_n_597716.html |
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| 04:07.28 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 04:07.33 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 04:07.54 | Thunder_Child | the correct response is pong |
| 04:09.12 | Shirik | looks dead on, right? http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=112451658 |
| 04:09.25 | Shirik | instead this is who I killed: http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=112451601 |
| 04:09.30 | Shirik | that's the same instant |
| 04:09.44 | Arrowmaster | rolf |
| 04:09.49 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 04:09.51 | Arrowmaster | just wow |
| 04:11.15 | Thunder_Child | serious fail there |
| 04:11.40 | Shirik | the only reason I noticed was because I killed someone right after |
| 04:11.43 | Shirik | and then it goes "double kill" |
| 04:11.49 | Shirik | and I'm sitting there like "wait what the hell who was the first?" |
| 04:11.54 | Shirik | and then I went back to the video and checked |
| 04:11.55 | Shirik | and saw athis |
| 04:12.01 | MoonWitch | none of you ever sleeps |
| 04:12.28 | Shirik | That is a lie |
| 04:12.31 | Shirik | I sleep on the weekends |
| 04:12.52 | Arrowmaster | i sleep during the day |
| 04:12.58 | Arrowmaster | i woke up at 6pm today |
| 04:13.31 | MoonWitch | ok that explains it |
| 04:13.45 | MoonWitch | ps dont know where you guys are at - here 6.14AM |
| 04:14.44 | Arrowmaster | 12:14am |
| 04:15.00 | Shirik | 9:14 PM |
| 04:15.07 | Cide- | 6.16AM |
| 04:15.08 | Cide- | beat you all. |
| 04:15.21 | Arrowmaster | your clock is a minute fast |
| 04:15.21 | MoonWitch | Cide -- 6.15AM |
| 04:15.28 | Cide- | trolled |
| 04:15.32 | MoonWitch | where are you from? |
| 04:15.37 | Cide- | sweden |
| 04:15.44 | MoonWitch | cool |
| 04:15.44 | Shirik | Cide is a commie |
| 04:15.50 | MoonWitch | you have the hottest chicks |
| 04:15.54 | Shirik | lmao |
| 04:15.54 | Cide- | yes I do |
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| 04:20.16 | Shirik | Cide |
| 04:20.19 | Shirik | did you see the screenshots? |
| 04:20.21 | Cide- | yes |
| 04:20.22 | Shirik | they are quite epic |
| 04:20.26 | Shirik | are they not? |
| 04:20.29 | Cide- | they are |
| 04:20.35 | Cide- | but not as epic as my last starcraft 2 game |
| 04:20.37 | Cide- | !!!!! |
| 04:21.35 | Cide- | also |
| 04:21.47 | Cide- | you should compile the boost python libraries for me so I don't have to |
| 04:21.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:21.58 | Shirik | You want ME |
| 04:22.02 | Shirik | to have something to do with PYTHON |
| 04:22.08 | Cide- | ok that's it |
| 04:22.10 | Cide- | I'm cutting you off |
| 04:22.12 | Shirik | Can I compile a virus instead? It will be just as effective |
| 04:22.16 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:22.18 | Cide- | you are DONE |
| 04:22.24 | MoonWitch | can i take that virus to work |
| 04:22.30 | Cide- | and boost python is written in c++ |
| 04:22.31 | MoonWitch | kill the network and come home again |
| 04:22.35 | Cide- | that should make you happy |
| 04:22.39 | Shirik | eh |
| 04:22.43 | Shirik | it averages out to like C# or so |
| 04:22.48 | Shirik | I guess that's fair |
| 04:23.20 | Cide- | yes |
| 04:23.42 | Cide- | you can email me them when you're done |
| 04:23.45 | Cide- | cide@ctmod.net |
| 04:23.45 | Cide- | ty |
| 04:24.41 | MoonWitch | is it bad I am now using my wow calendar as actual life calendar? (I am a bit tired of checking on like 7 places) |
| 04:24.52 | Cide- | it is |
| 04:25.09 | MoonWitch | and I am missing most of the damn midsummer event |
| 04:25.52 | Cide- | why? |
| 04:25.59 | WobWork | midsummer is now? |
| 04:26.49 | Jerub | lolwat? |
| 04:26.56 | Jerub | oh, you've got holidays during the wow event? |
| 04:28.02 | Mr_Rabies | be nice if you could import your gcal |
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| 04:30.31 | Arrowmaster | stupid 'catchup' mechanic in racing games |
| 04:30.49 | Cide- | you can usually turn it off |
| 04:30.50 | |Jelly| | agreed |
| 04:31.23 | Cide- | anyway |
| 04:31.24 | Cide- | night guys |
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| 04:34.08 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Funny thing is if it's on, it's generally in your interest to be #2 |
| 04:34.32 | Shirik | because then you have some extra speed for the end where you can fly by with no hope of him catching up |
| 04:34.33 | Arrowmaster | ive never seen a game that allowed it to be turned off |
| 04:34.38 | Shirik | really? |
| 04:34.38 | Shirik | most do |
| 04:34.43 | Shirik | Even arcade games |
| 04:34.51 | Shirik | usually it's something like "Hold break while loading" or something |
| 04:35.03 | Shirik | I was an Initial D fanatic when I was in high school so I know this :P |
| 04:35.14 | Shirik | rules of the arcade were you have to turn it off or you can gtfo |
| 04:35.15 | Arrowmaster | ive usually seen it in NFS games |
| 04:35.20 | Arrowmaster | and never seen an option for it there |
| 04:35.37 | Arrowmaster | the damn thing actually made me quit playing a game because it was impossible for me to beat a race |
| 04:35.39 | Shirik | never played NFS |
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| 04:40.14 | Jerub | dammit. i'm looking for a sweet domain name to use for my mumble/vent server. |
| 04:40.26 | Jerub | and someone pointed out unicorngiggles.com isn't registered. |
| 04:42.08 | Jerub | someone give me something better or i'm going to register it ;) |
| 04:42.38 | MoonWitch | there is no way i can beat that jerub |
| 04:42.40 | MoonWitch | sorry |
| 04:43.04 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i was referring to the AI catchup where they can always go faster than you if you get too far behind them but it doesnt apply to you |
| 04:43.17 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:43.18 | MoonWitch | what about iwantedafunnydomainnamesosomeonesaidishouldusethis.com? |
| 04:43.27 | Shirik | well most racing games have something like that for multiplayer |
| 04:43.50 | Arrowmaster | burnout paradise doesnt |
| 04:44.13 | Arrowmaster | loves winning in the toy WRT vs supercars |
| 04:44.25 | gain | http://img7.abload.de/img/wowscrnshot_031710_213d51j.jpg -- how do the colors in the unit frames pop so well |
| 04:44.41 | MoonWitch | choice of texture and color |
| 04:44.58 | Arrowmaster | havent really played many other racing games multiplayer except a few NFS games and PGR |
| 04:46.52 | MoonWitch | anyhow my lovelies -- I gotta get going |
| 04:47.02 | haste | I would say more lack of texture :P |
| 04:47.16 | MoonWitch | and I've tried to use a webbased IRC, sadly - it doesn't quite agree with me |
| 04:47.33 | MoonWitch | haste, I'm thinking chatbackground was used as texture or something |
| 04:48.12 | haste | you can do: StatusBar:SetStatusBarTexture(r, g, b, a) |
| 04:48.31 | MoonWitch | ah yes, I forgot about that |
| 04:48.36 | MoonWitch | ook I gotta go now :P |
| 04:58.32 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: you started a page for dinner this year yet? |
| 04:59.06 | Jerub | Jesus sayeth unto his disciples, "I offer you salvation," to which they responded, "kings plz". |
| 05:08.32 | cogwheel | "Verily, verily, I say unto thee that thine energy is as thine mass times the speed of light multiplied unto itself." |
| 05:09.23 | Shirik | .... |
| 05:09.55 | cogwheel | http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/theistguide.html |
| 05:13.00 | Shirik | I found i |
| 05:13.05 | Shirik | reading through it |
| 05:13.59 | cogwheel | wut |
| 05:15.17 | Thunder_Child | reading cogwheel, to interpret something that is written or printed |
| 05:17.56 | cogwheel | har |
| 05:18.08 | cogwheel | What did I do when I found i ? |
| 05:20.34 | DWSR | Hey all. |
| 05:20.42 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 05:21.04 | DWSR | How's it going? |
| 05:21.13 | Shirik | cogwheel: The alien comment is interesting actually |
| 05:21.21 | Shirik | and I have to agree with him |
| 05:21.25 | Shirik | that would be pretty compelling |
| 05:21.35 | Shirik | however there is a possible justification for that |
| 05:21.53 | Shirik | Voyager had an episode where an alien speies actually decended from a prehistoric species on Earth |
| 05:22.00 | Shirik | dinosaurs |
| 05:22.13 | Shirik | the dinosaurs didn't actually get wiped out, they instead fled earth |
| 05:22.19 | DWSR | Lol |
| 05:22.20 | Shirik | and found a new home in the delta quadrant |
| 05:22.29 | cogwheel | god some of the voyager stories were trash >< |
| 05:22.48 | DWSR | Shirik: I'm watching Voyager right now. |
| 05:22.50 | cogwheel | that's almost as bad as janeway and paris... |
| 05:23.15 | Torhal | Every time someone talks about Voyager it makes me glad I never watched a single episode. |
| 05:23.30 | cogwheel | i feel the same way about lost |
| 05:23.41 | DWSR | Cogwheel: the one where he breaks the warp threshold? |
| 05:23.47 | cogwheel | *nod* |
| 05:24.17 | cogwheel | the most i ever learned about Lost was from an episode of Dinner: Impossible |
| 05:24.23 | DWSR | I thought it was good. Not as good as TNG but still good. |
| 05:25.43 | cogwheel | i started high school around season 3-ish so my attention was...shifted |
| 05:25.44 | DWSR | I don't know. I thought that it was better towards the end. |
| 05:26.58 | cogwheel | i liked the first two seasons. never did watch too many after 7 of 9 joined |
| 05:28.28 | DWSR | The first seasons weren't that great because janeway was such a pussy. |
| 05:29.07 | DWSR | After she finds her balls, it's much better. |
| 05:31.48 | DWSR | Anyway night night all. |
| 05:35.30 | cogwheel | nn |
| 05:40.16 | Dagmar | More Ubuntu funnery... it apparently hates a functional /tmp |
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| 05:53.51 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: ? |
| 05:55.33 | Arrowmaster | and again, fucking racing game AI catchup |
| 05:56.18 | Arrowmaster | had myself this great lead and ended up in 3rd because 1st-4th all finished in the same second |
| 06:09.51 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Well, I've found two ways it'll shoot itself in the face tonight |
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| 06:10.23 | Dagmar | One is if you fill / (with /tmp in it) to a pretty serious point, it'll "clean" /tmp and render it mode 0700. |
| 06:10.25 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i found a good one the other night while trying to help Adys |
| 06:10.47 | Dagmar | Another is if you do an install with /tmp on it's own filesystem, it never gets the tmp-sticky bit set, and things kinda burst into flames |
| 06:10.56 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 06:11.10 | Dagmar | I know how the latter mistake happens. The former... I've no idea what happened there |
| 06:11.25 | Dagmar | I *think* I may have hail mary'd this netbook tho |
| 06:11.25 | Arrowmaster | how does the latter happen? |
| 06:11.45 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: They set the tmp-sticky bit on /tmp before the filesystem it lives on is mounted |
| 06:12.00 | Arrowmaster | i thought ubuntu was using a modified debian-installer now and i know debian doesnt have that issue |
| 06:12.23 | Dagmar | It could have been another malfunction of the tmp cleaner for all I know |
| 06:13.04 | Dagmar | I completely wrecked (like, burnt up /) the netbook install earlier and had to sit there and let fsck put pretty much all the files into cute lil' numbered directories |
| 06:13.20 | Dagmar | ...then tar all 3.7gb of them onto a thumbdrive. |
| 06:13.56 | Dagmar | Then I reinstalled, and untarred them into /tmp, expecting to put back the passwd/shadow data so that I could login and get at my encrypted ~/.Private |
| 06:14.18 | Dagmar | Ubuntu carped at me about being down to only 258Mb of space, I rightly told it to bugger off about that, and rebooted |
| 06:14.36 | Dagmar | When it came back up... blah blah blah unexpected quitting of gconf sanity check |
| 06:14.38 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: found out the other night that if you want to install the closed source nvidia binary drivers on ubuntu you must use the special GUI to do it, if you just install the package with apt-get it doesnt do everything needed so it wont work |
| 06:14.57 | Dagmar | Since I already hit the OTHER bug earlier tonight, I looked and see that Ubuntu managed to set the perms on /tmp to 0700 when it cleaned it up |
| 06:15.20 | Arrowmaster | my opinion is to seriously just stay as far away from ubuntu as possible |
| 06:15.21 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: That's odd. I made it install the restricted drivers just a few hours ago |
| 06:15.46 | Dagmar | I even got WoW running under Wine with a few quick peeks at Wowwiki (yay kd3) and a ham-fisted approach |
| 06:16.05 | Arrowmaster | you didnt use the gui menu to install it? |
| 06:16.25 | Dagmar | I just clicked on the restrticted drivers manager is all |
| 06:16.37 | kd3 | will stick with fedora tyvm |
| 06:16.41 | Dagmar | Picked nvidia and the -current tree, clicked Activate, and rebooted |
| 06:16.57 | Arrowmaster | right, thats the only part that actually works, because theyve coded that menu specially to do the rest of the needed stuff to get the package working |
| 06:17.02 | Dagmar | kd3: Yeah well I'm working my way back towards Slackware running here |
| 06:17.12 | Arrowmaster | instead of making the packing install scripts do the needed stuff |
| 06:17.28 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Well, when I am letting someone else's package manager do the work, I'm a lot less quick to just bash what I want into place |
| 06:17.57 | Dagmar | Gotta make the firewall cache some things more aggressively |
| 06:18.22 | Torhal | When I was using Ubuntu I always just installed the nVidia driver from their web page and said fuck the package |
| 06:18.43 | Dagmar | Before I realized that perms on /tmp were knackered, I actually removed gconf2 and gconf-common, and then did an apt-get reinstall ubuntu-desktop (whcih downloaded about a gigabyte of stuff it didn't need to) |
| 06:18.50 | Torhal | Had to run a cleanup script and remove the modules before upgrading, but it always worked. |
| 06:19.48 | Dagmar | This last round of 'where did w7 hide my files today?' has rekindled my interest in not running this under Windows anymore |
| 06:20.09 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: it doesnt work right now, the nvidia.com installer doesnt do anything to blacklist the new nouveau kernel modules which will prevent it from working |
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| 06:20.11 | Dagmar | Hey great they've got sort of a union fs thing now. Good for them. Maybe in w8 they'll GET IT RIGHT |
| 06:20.43 | Torhal | Ah, well, I wasn't running the new Ubuntu version either. |
| 06:20.49 | zenzio | union FS? |
| 06:21.03 | Torhal | They have too many whacked-out dependencies. |
| 06:21.11 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: showing the contents of two directories as being the same directory |
| 06:21.34 | Dagmar | zenzio: yes, there's many different names for that magic trick. It's when you take a bit of filesystem and treat it like a sheet of transparency so that writes wind up on the sheet fs instead of the one under it |
| 06:21.42 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: its like that on any distro with a newer kernel now i think |
| 06:22.21 | Dagmar | In W7 it generally results in a lot of cursing and swearing over here when I'm messing with savedvariables.lua |
| 06:22.25 | Torhal | Probably, and most peopel running Ubuntu aren't compiling their own kernel |
| 06:22.35 | Torhal | s/peopel/people/ |
| 06:23.32 | Dagmar | That's probably for the best |
| 06:24.20 | Dagmar | I've written up how to make a new kernel with Minimum Neccessary Changes like 3-4 times. I don't think more than 20 people worldwide ever paid attention |
| 06:24.34 | Arrowmaster | i only did that a few times back when i was using debian woody, and i dont even remember why i did it |
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| 06:25.15 | Dagmar | So about the hail mary... apparently this Boot Booster thing ASUS came up with is still broken |
| 06:25.43 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: their Express Gate thing is also total crap and useless |
| 06:25.52 | Dagmar | After calling and getting an RMA number, it finally occurred to me that PERHAPS just the magic 0xEF partition was making Boot Booster kick in, even when it was off |
| 06:26.11 | Dagmar | So I cleared the CMOS again one more time, the netbook booted, I ripped that partition out... no problems since |
| 06:26.49 | Dagmar | If it continues to behave for the next 48 hours I'll call them back and tell them I they ain't gettin' mah netbook and why |
| 06:27.18 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: The 1000 doesn't have expressgate that I'm aware of, or I'd be poking at it by now |
| 06:27.20 | zenzio | just don't touch the 0xBB and 0xBF partitions |
| 06:27.32 | Dagmar | zenzio: No, I had to *kill them* |
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| 06:27.47 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: the Express Gate thing is on their desktop motherboards |
| 06:27.48 | Dagmar | Apparently Boot Booster never really turns *off* |
| 06:27.59 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: It's on a few EEE PC models as well |
| 06:28.10 | zenzio | looks around, wondering if anyone got the joke |
| 06:28.35 | Dagmar | looks around carefully for a joke |
| 06:28.41 | zenzio | EF BB BF |
| 06:28.53 | zenzio | ie. the UTF-8 BOM |
| 06:30.03 | Dagmar | I'll take your word on it that it's funny. |
| 06:30.15 | zenzio | I was just about to say :-p |
| 06:30.26 | Dagmar | I've kinda been trying to stabilize this machine for um, 12 days now |
| 06:31.01 | Dagmar | When I actually *call* a tech-support line for hardware, I'm pretty close to "typing with my forehead" mode |
| 06:31.58 | Dagmar | I think I'll go relieve some frustrations by creating some "regime change" in Mexico over in RDR. |
| 06:32.17 | Dagmar | I don't know if the game will let me, but after the things that general was doing... I'm more than willing to find out. |
| 06:33.04 | Arrowmaster | needs to get RDR |
| 06:33.07 | Dagmar | Duping me into helping burn down homes and assisting with a rape squad round-up... That man needs killin'. |
| 06:33.37 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Hehe. They've put limits on the number of gang henchmen |
| 06:33.51 | Dagmar | I already ran out of gang members |
| 06:34.15 | Dagmar | No more bounties were being posted because I have a short fuse when it comes to bringing them in alive |
| 06:35.15 | Dagmar | Rockstar thought of a lot of things, but they probably didn't think anyone would ever get on the train, lasso someone from the roof, and then try to drag them behind the train |
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| 06:35.59 | Arrowmaster | that sounds like something a lot of people would try |
| 06:36.22 | Dagmar | It's a lot harder than you think just to get the bounty target to follow you to where the train is |
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| 06:36.40 | Dagmar | ....but after chasing that asshole all over creation for 15 minutes, I was ready to try |
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| 06:50.26 | Jerub | what do people use for guild websites? |
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| 06:55.14 | Spejnar | people have guild sites? :O and my own server |
| 07:06.41 | zenzio | "Gary Kildall invented CP/M in 1973 because he was lazy. He had a job programming some big dinosaur computers, but he didn't want to have to drive into work every day. So he wrote a program called "Control Program for Microcomputers" that would allow him to store files and run programs from an 8-inch Shugart floppy drive on his little computer at home." |
| 07:07.00 | zenzio | whoever said that most invention comes from laziness seems to be right |
| 07:08.52 | NightHawkTheSane | neccessity is the mother of invention, and most people need to not work as hard ;) |
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| 08:11.12 | KarlKFI | Tacos! |
| 08:12.39 | ReAn | Beef or chicken? |
| 08:13.22 | KarlKFI | both! |
| 08:13.30 | ReAn | AT THE SAME TIME! |
| 08:13.45 | KarlKFI | well, somme of each |
| 08:14.09 | KarlKFI | but in the same meal |
| 08:15.34 | KarlKFI | it was 1am and a massive food headache struck |
| 08:15.53 | KarlKFI | obviously i needed tacos |
| 08:17.59 | KarlKFI | the hunger has been sated |
| 08:18.02 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/06/02/demotivational-posters-regret-2/ |
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| 08:26.54 | mascondante | tuna |
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| 09:12.05 | Fisker | so zenzelezz |
| 09:12.09 | Fisker | are you going to blizzcon? |
| 09:20.58 | mascondante | I wanna go to blizzcon |
| 09:21.01 | mascondante | never been to one |
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| 09:57.25 | mascondante | Shadowed do you happen to be an ex military guy? I just noticed 3/4 of your projects start with 'Damn' lol |
| 09:59.08 | airtonix | no but my baboons are .. |
| 09:59.30 | airtonix | unleashes a team of highliy trained ninja baboons onto fisker |
| 09:59.44 | airtonix | have fun fisker |
| 09:59.54 | mascondante | are you alluding to gorilla warfare perchance? -_- |
| 10:00.41 | airtonix | if i did i would say "a team of highly trained wrestling gorillas" |
| 10:01.12 | airtonix | which is really a troop is it not |
| 10:01.19 | airtonix | or a gang |
| 10:01.37 | airtonix | or just something good to run away from |
| 10:03.14 | Fisker | i fucked your baboons airtonix |
| 10:03.27 | airtonix | thats why they go back for more |
| 10:05.42 | mascondante | I hear the guild HottieHamsters stinks |
| 10:07.32 | airtonix | i hear The Mouth is a respectable guild |
| 10:07.37 | zenzio | one of my guildies claimed to have been in a guild (in another game) called "Lesbians with powertools"... I always found that amusing |
| 10:09.37 | mascondante | oh my |
| 10:09.49 | mascondante | That cracks me up |
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| 10:39.47 | frontendloader | mascondante: he's not old enough to be ex-mil |
| 10:39.52 | frontendloader | but his parents might have been! |
| 10:40.12 | mascondante | ah |
| 10:40.25 | mascondante | well I'm only 24 and ex-mil |
| 10:41.11 | frontendloader | he's a wee lad |
| 10:42.23 | mascondante | aah |
| 10:43.45 | mascondante | I wish I had a jumpstart like that when I was young |
| 10:46.36 | mascondante | I was spread thin across a bunch of areas... never specialized |
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| 12:21.56 | DJJeff | Atlas Mod 1.15.2 is kinda old from Dec 17 2009 |
| 12:22.10 | DJJeff | there are rumours of a new release soon? |
| 12:22.31 | DJJeff | any of the SVN stable enough? 1.16.1 ? |
| 12:22.55 | Cairenn | It has just been taken over by a new author, Dan had to stop working on it |
| 12:23.08 | Cairenn | There should hopefully be an update soonish |
| 12:23.34 | DJJeff | I saw the note left on http://atlasmod.com/ |
| 12:23.40 | DJJeff | says medical reasons |
| 12:23.48 | Cairenn | Yes |
| 12:23.55 | Cairenn | and as I said, it's been taken over already :) |
| 12:24.03 | DJJeff | ok |
| 12:24.13 | DJJeff | does the new author have a website/forums ? |
| 12:24.48 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3896-Atlas.html#comments |
| 12:25.05 | DJJeff | right on :) |
| 12:25.43 | DJJeff | 191 comments |
| 12:25.50 | DJJeff | damn this is one great addon :) |
| 12:27.57 | DJJeff | I wish the new author the best of luck |
| 12:28.31 | DJJeff | and I will continue to submit bugs as they fly into my eyes |
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| 12:29.52 | Cairenn | pounces Lopeppeppy |
| 12:30.17 | Lopeppeppy | Hi! |
| 12:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | I think I have a brain today! |
| 12:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | And no overdue projects. |
| 12:30.29 | Cairenn | yay |
| 12:30.44 | Cairenn | could wish I was in as good shape |
| 12:31.03 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmm 1.16.0 isnt avail thru Curse Client? but is @ http://wowui.incgamers.com/?p=mod&m=400 |
| 12:32.11 | Torhal | DJJeff: Considering the new maintainer is staff at wowui.insgamers.com, that isn't surprising. |
| 12:32.17 | Lopeppeppy | Took me forever to get here. You could see this too, one day, young padawan. |
| 12:33.02 | DJJeff | are you poking fun at that website? or that staff member? |
| 12:33.27 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 12:33.28 | Torhal | I'm saying, the new maintainer for Atlas is STAFF AT THAT WEBSITE. :D |
| 12:33.39 | Torhal | So it isn't surprising that the new version is there. |
| 12:33.47 | DJJeff | aha |
| 12:33.51 | Cairenn | it's a perfectly comprehesible statement |
| 12:34.06 | DJJeff | I just enjoy getting all my updates VIA curse.com client |
| 12:34.15 | DJJeff | instead of 3rd party sites |
| 12:34.30 | Torhal | I'd say, in that case, it's 1st-party. |
| 12:34.55 | Lopeppeppy | Curse isn't the only game in town. I prefer WoW Interface. And I won't use clients. So there's a way, and a site, for everyone's preferences. We're all spoiled like that. |
| 12:35.01 | Cairenn | how is Curse any less a "3rd party site" than WoWI or Incgamers? |
| 12:35.19 | Cairenn | that was a ridiculous thing to say |
| 12:35.33 | DJJeff | good question I withdraw my statement |
| 12:35.56 | batrick | wonders what a 2nd party is. |
| 12:37.02 | DJJeff | let me know as soon as you find out |
| 12:37.15 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 12:37.18 | zenzio | I stick to 0th party |
| 12:37.18 | Fisker | going to blizzcon? |
| 12:37.25 | Fisker | what about you zenzio? |
| 12:37.26 | Cairenn | Fisker: unknown at this time |
| 12:37.29 | Torhal | zenzio: Party-pooper. |
| 12:37.29 | Fisker | :O! |
| 12:37.42 | Torhal | Cairenn: If you don't show, it's sure to implode. |
| 12:37.44 | Fisker | i thought it was like asking if water was wet Cairenn |
| 12:37.51 | Torhal | At least, that's my understanding of affairs. |
| 12:37.52 | Fisker | i'm shocked and appalled |
| 12:38.33 | batrick | no you weren't |
| 12:38.40 | Fisker | i totally was batrick |
| 12:38.47 | batrick | were not |
| 12:38.57 | Fisker | ahuh i was |
| 12:39.10 | batrick | !lua ("were not"):rep(10) |
| 12:39.10 | batbot | batrick: > were notwere notwere notwere notwere notwere notwere notwere notwere notwere not |
| 12:39.16 | Fisker | owned |
| 12:39.16 | batrick | lawl |
| 12:39.30 | batrick | sif |
| 12:39.37 | batrick | oi Shirik |
| 12:42.25 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 12:42.29 | Fisker | are you going to Blizzcon? |
| 12:42.35 | batrick | are you? |
| 12:46.35 | Fisker | are you? |
| 12:50.29 | Fisker | that's what i thought |
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| 13:06.17 | Fisker | lol robokitty |
| 13:07.27 | Fisker | LOL ROBOKITTY |
| 13:12.06 | Ycarene | Can Modifiers be used in a cast sequence command so that, for example, I can use a modifier to cast a different seal in my 969 rotation? |
| 13:14.07 | Ycarene | Heh, err judgemen t |
| 13:20.39 | batrick | Ycarene: nope |
| 13:20.47 | batrick | at least, that was true when i was last playing |
| 13:21.49 | batrick | could maybe do: /cast [mod] Different Seal /stopmacro [mod] /castsequence .... |
| 13:23.45 | Shirik | oi batrick |
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| 13:30.22 | Shirik | so |
| 13:30.26 | Shirik | sudo vulnerability |
| 13:30.28 | Shirik | win? |
| 13:30.36 | Lopeppeppy | I like my sudo. It's very win. |
| 13:30.44 | zenzio | what vulnerability? |
| 13:30.54 | zenzio | did someone discover that it lets you run commands as an elevated user? |
| 13:31.22 | Shirik | A flaw in sudo's -e option may allow local attackers to execute |
| 13:31.22 | Shirik | arbitrary commands. |
| 13:31.40 | Shirik | A local attacker with the permission to run sudoedit could, under |
| 13:31.40 | Shirik | certain circumstances, execute arbitrary commands as whichever user he |
| 13:31.40 | Lopeppeppy | sexy |
| 13:31.43 | Shirik | has permission to run sudoedit as, typically root. |
| 13:31.43 | zenzio | what's -e? |
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| 13:31.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'll be sure to let IT know and they can take that away from me too. |
| 13:32.29 | Shirik | The -e (edit) option indicates that, instead of running a command, the user wishes to edit one or more files. In lieu of a command, the string "sudoedit" is used when consulting the sudoers file. If the user is authorized by sudoers the following steps are taken: |
| 13:33.24 | Shirik | well there's already a patch for it Lopeppeppy :P |
| 13:34.48 | Kaso | wasnt that patched months ago? |
| 13:34.54 | Kaso | well at least it was on fedora |
| 13:35.05 | Lopeppeppy | Then it's up to them to patch their arses. |
| 13:35.22 | Lopeppeppy | grumbles at having been locked out of her catalog for 3 weeks while IT diddled permissions for staff departures. |
| 13:35.33 | Kaso | and yeah the circumstances required to make it exploitable arent really all that common |
| 13:38.47 | Shirik | was it Kaso? |
| 13:39.09 | Shirik | the GLSA was just advised yesterday |
| 13:39.11 | Shirik | maybe it was a regression |
| 13:39.21 | batrick | Shirik: taht exploit is weeks old! |
| 13:39.53 | batrick | oh, Kaso told you |
| 13:39.57 | batrick | hey shirik |
| 13:39.59 | batrick | let's play chess pal |
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| 13:40.02 | batrick | oh |
| 13:40.07 | Shirik | that was weird |
| 13:40.10 | Shirik | anyway |
| 13:40.14 | Shirik | (06:39:01) (@Shirik) the GLSA was just advised yesterday |
| 13:40.15 | Shirik | (06:39:03) (@Shirik) maybe it was a regression |
| 13:40.20 | batrick | 09:39:53 < batrick> oh, Kaso told you |
| 13:40.20 | batrick | 09:39:56 < batrick> hey shirik |
| 13:40.20 | batrick | 09:39:59 < batrick> let's play chess pal |
| 13:40.25 | Shirik | @ Kaso |
| 13:40.51 | batrick | so you got rid of that shitty irc client finally? |
| 13:41.35 | Shirik | ah no |
| 13:41.36 | Shirik | kaso |
| 13:41.39 | Shirik | this was something different |
| 13:41.45 | Kaso | oh? |
| 13:41.54 | Shirik | This bug is related to, but distinct from, CVE 2010-0426. |
| 13:41.58 | Kaso | ah i see |
| 13:50.20 | mikma | http://www.ohgizmo.com/2010/06/02/meeting-knives-set-is-the-deadliest-puzzle-ive-ever-seen/ |
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| 13:59.51 | Shirik | mikma: awesome |
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| 14:02.15 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:02.18 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 14:02.25 | Shirik | You know what |
| 14:02.34 | Shirik | the early american settlers were lazy |
| 14:02.40 | Shirik | it took them like months to get to the west coast |
| 14:02.40 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 14:02.54 | Shirik | google maps says I can cross the US walking in 38 days 12 hours |
| 14:02.56 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 14:03.14 | batrick | google maps doesn't account for sleep shirik |
| 14:03.15 | batrick | nice try though |
| 14:03.45 | Fisker | hey Shirik are you going to Blizzcon? |
| 14:04.34 | Shirik | maybe |
| 14:04.37 | Shirik | you will have to go and find out |
| 14:04.44 | Fisker | i will |
| 14:09.38 | Gintaro | Shirik: they had horses! |
| 14:13.41 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:13.43 | Shirik | why do we know this crap |
| 14:14.08 | Shirik | Apparently water can be cooled below 0 C without it freezing. "If cooled at a rate on the order of 10^6 K/s, the crystal nucleation can be avoided and water becomes a glass." |
| 14:15.54 | batrick | it's nice to know what will happen to you if go skinny dipping in liquid helium |
| 14:15.55 | Fisker | do it then |
| 14:16.02 | Fisker | DO IT |
| 14:17.50 | Shirik | "A funny thing happened on the way to deciding BP Products America, Inc. v. United States, the Court of International Trade had to deal with the question of what to do when the parties ask the Court to take into consideration information from Wikipedia." |
| 14:18.10 | Shirik | http://customslaw.blogspot.com/2010/06/cit-dumps-on-wikipedia.html |
| 14:18.18 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SWfPoITlP8&NR=1 |
| 14:18.28 | Wobin | they had a -lot- of time on their hands |
| 14:19.27 | Shirik | omg |
| 14:20.54 | Fisker | i want to destroy you Shirik |
| 14:21.35 | batrick | roflmao |
| 14:24.57 | myrkraverk | what was the trick to show docs for HideUIPanel ? |
| 14:25.08 | myrkraverk | or functions in general? |
| 14:26.39 | myrkraverk | (I don't see it in my scrollback) |
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| 14:33.14 | mitch0 | ~api HideUIPanel |
| 14:33.15 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_HideUIPanel |
| 14:33.59 | mitch0 | hrmp, not perfect :) |
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| 14:40.06 | myrkraverk | ;-) |
| 14:41.58 | myrkraverk | well, I'd say "less than not perfect" there is nothing at wowwiki ;) |
| 14:42.14 | myrkraverk | take care guys, the twisting nether beckons |
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| 14:48.02 | DWSR | !api hideuipanel |
| 14:48.03 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'hideuipanel'. |
| 14:48.18 | DWSR | Fufufu |
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| 15:22.38 | gain | hi I need some help with LUA codes |
| 15:22.49 | gain | I want to show the name of hte player + either D or T or H for dps, tank, heal |
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| 15:28.03 | DWSR | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.46 | DWSR | Where is luabot? |
| 15:30.23 | gain | hmm i got it |
| 15:30.27 | gain | but how do you do an if statement |
| 15:31.41 | gain | got it |
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| 15:34.41 | gain | well that wasn't right haha |
| 15:39.33 | gain | http://pastebin.com/vmPU8vPs anyone see what is wrong? |
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| 15:40.55 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:41.03 | Cairenn | station |
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| 15:43.32 | Kaso | gain: dont you need thens? |
| 15:43.38 | Kaso | as in if isTank then |
| 15:43.47 | Kaso | "if isTank then" |
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| 15:56.03 | gain | oh do you |
| 15:56.08 | gain | yes you do |
| 15:56.09 | gain | lol |
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| 15:59.03 | gain | can oyu check for nil in a stringl ike if string then |
| 15:59.10 | gain | as in if the string is not nil do something |
| 16:00.46 | Seerah | you would be checking for the existence of the string in that case |
| 16:01.02 | gain | so if mystring == nil |
| 16:01.42 | Seerah | mystring = "hello" if mystring then print(mystring) end >>"hello" |
| 16:02.30 | Seerah | mystring exists (it's not nil), so that evaluates to true |
| 16:03.05 | Seerah | if mystring didn't have anything assigned to it (it is nil) then that would evaluate to false, and the print function would not be called |
| 16:03.37 | gain | oh |
| 16:03.43 | Seerah | note that this works differently for booleans (true/false). false =/= nil in that case |
| 16:03.46 | gain | so i can do if mystring |
| 16:04.09 | Seerah | myvar = false if myvar then print(myvar) end >>false |
| 16:04.18 | gain | right |
| 16:04.40 | gain | how do I show color |
| 16:04.44 | gain | er print color |
| 16:04.48 | Seerah | ? |
| 16:05.00 | gain | like return "Somestring" with colr |
| 16:05.02 | gain | *color |
| 16:05.07 | gain | class color for example |
| 16:06.03 | Seerah | then you would either need to use SetVertexColor() on your fontstring object or use an escape sequence for a color code (which is what you would need to do if just printing to the chat frame) |
| 16:07.11 | gain | hmm so i need a if statmeent for what color code to use based on the class |
| 16:07.19 | gain | or a switch statement or something |
| 16:07.43 | Lunessa | PATV is strangely compelling. |
| 16:08.12 | Seerah | Lunessa: PATV? |
| 16:08.26 | Lunessa | Penny-Arcade TV. |
| 16:08.30 | Lopeppeppy | pounces all over Lunessa. A lot. |
| 16:08.34 | Seerah | ohh |
| 16:08.40 | Lunessa | *huggles Lopeppeppy* |
| 16:08.49 | Lunessa | Ohai Seerah. :) |
| 16:08.53 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi hihi hi! |
| 16:09.56 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa and Lopeppeppy |
| 16:09.57 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Seerah. |
| 16:09.57 | gain | bah this is fail |
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| 16:09.57 | gain | http://pastebin.com/FXBYZwRx what is wrong here sire |
| 16:10.16 | gain | this is inside STUF btw |
| 16:10.22 | foxlit | value statements are meaningless. |
| 16:10.33 | Caleb| | missing a closing bracket too |
| 16:10.42 | gain | value statement? |
| 16:10.54 | foxlit | Lua doesn't like it when you do things like |
| 16:10.56 | foxlit | lua> 1; |
| 16:10.58 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1 |
| 16:11.06 | foxlit | (bad example, since that implicity prepends return; |
| 16:11.17 | foxlit | lua> while true do 1; end |
| 16:11.17 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '1' |
| 16:11.42 | foxlit | That whole function thing is a value. You have to assign it to something if it is to make sense as Lua code. |
| 16:11.55 | gain | oh thats inside STUF |
| 16:11.59 | Seerah | foxlit: he pulled it out of stUF |
| 16:12.11 | gain | no no, I am inserting that into a text field in STUF |
| 16:12.13 | gain | *stUF |
| 16:12.25 | Seerah | oh, you're using this as a lua text? |
| 16:12.37 | Seerah | well, you still have the missing parenthesis |
| 16:12.43 | gain | yup that fixed it :) thanks |
| 16:13.03 | gain | !api UnitSelectionColor |
| 16:13.04 | lua_bot | UnitSelectionColor: Returns a color indicating hostility and related status of a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitSelectionColor) |
| 16:13.08 | gain | bah |
| 16:13.13 | gain | thats not what I want |
| 16:14.28 | gain | !api classcolor |
| 16:14.29 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'classcolor'. |
| 16:15.06 | gain | guys got any examples for class colors? |
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| 16:16.41 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Class_colors |
| 16:16.52 | foxlit | Assuming it loads this century. |
| 16:17.18 | Seerah | gain: note the sentence that says: "The below color codes are held in the RAID_CLASS_COLORS table in FrameXML/Constants.lua" |
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| 16:19.24 | gain | right |
| 16:19.36 | gain | but in STUF you can change them right |
| 16:19.38 | gain | does that override it |
| 16:20.26 | Seerah | I don't know. I use Custom Class Colors. |
| 16:20.50 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12513-ClassColors.html |
| 16:21.37 | gain | does that override it everywhere? |
| 16:22.08 | Seerah | If the addon supports it. |
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| 16:22.33 | Seerah | it's a different table of class colors. Overwriting the default table causes taint that interferes with the raid/tank frames |
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| 16:39.07 | MoonWitch | Cairenn: ping |
| 16:39.12 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: pong |
| 16:39.20 | MoonWitch | thanks for the add on LinkedIn :) |
| 16:39.22 | airtonix | monmonmon |
| 16:39.27 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:39.30 | airtonix | ooo linkedin... |
| 16:39.38 | airtonix | destined to become the new facebook ? |
| 16:39.44 | MoonWitch | not really |
| 16:39.46 | Cairenn | unh, no |
| 16:39.55 | Cairenn | one's social, the other is professioinal |
| 16:39.55 | MoonWitch | LinkedIn is professional networking |
| 16:40.00 | airtonix | lets hope it stays that way |
| 16:40.01 | Dagmar | On linkedin your'e never fooled into thinking it won't wind up being seen by HR people |
| 16:40.16 | MoonWitch | that's the exact goal of LinkedIn |
| 16:40.23 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 16:40.26 | Dagmar | ...or collected by private investigator firms in hopes of selling to HR people |
| 16:40.32 | airtonix | when i first saw facebook and linkedin i couldn't see any difference. |
| 16:40.45 | Cairenn | there's a huge difference |
| 16:40.50 | airtonix | both seem to be methods of exposing yourself to the public |
| 16:41.28 | Kalroth | I can think of a third way! |
| 16:41.38 | airtonix | baboons? |
| 16:43.27 | MoonWitch | either way, thank you |
| 16:43.31 | MoonWitch | is eating |
| 16:45.03 | MoonWitch | going to csi ful screen |
| 16:45.11 | MoonWitch | soapification on a corpse -- is nice |
| 16:45.33 | Lunessa | Well, I keep not signing up for LinkedIn, but I /should/. I mean... do I want to do /this/ forever? |
| 16:45.51 | airtonix | its a good timeframe |
| 16:46.43 | Lunessa | Yeah, well I'd have to stay at my present job for another 18 years to collect retirement benefits. It's hard to imagine doing what I do now for another 18 years. |
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| 16:48.25 | airtonix | theres always internationaly organized crime |
| 16:48.38 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm, crime |
| 16:48.42 | foxlit | or international organized crime. |
| 16:48.46 | airtonix | i mean business |
| 16:48.49 | foxlit | subtly different. |
| 16:49.40 | airtonix | i hear there is big dollars in setting up dangerous and toxic substance factories in un-regulated markets |
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| 16:50.02 | foxlit | wait, there's a market for dangerous and toxic substances? |
| 16:50.12 | MoonWitch | dru |
| 16:50.13 | MoonWitch | gs |
| 16:50.14 | airtonix | phillip morris > indonesia |
| 16:50.34 | MoonWitch | dangerous toxic substance, unregulated == drugs |
| 16:50.56 | airtonix | i think most of the tobacco for oceania is grown in indonesia now |
| 16:51.23 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/660443592 |
| 16:51.33 | airtonix | "hi i'm a mother of twenty six, proud tobacco farmers and i feed my children raw tobacco for breakfast" |
| 16:51.48 | nicoli_s | mmmm tomacco |
| 16:51.55 | airtonix | monmonmon |
| 16:52.08 | Dagmar | Indonesia > customs inspectors |
| 16:52.16 | airtonix | they have them ? |
| 16:52.32 | airtonix | i mistook them for the tobacconists |
| 16:52.52 | Lunessa | Can I just drill for oil with substandard equipment in deep water? |
| 16:52.53 | Dagmar | The day the FDA blocked sales of clove cigarettes, two things happened |
| 16:53.22 | Dagmar | 1. Djarum changed their product to be "little cigars" and made them 12 to a pack |
| 16:53.46 | Dagmar | 2. Three different online companies sprang up, perfectly happy to take online orders to ship cartons to people |
| 16:54.20 | airtonix | clove just isn't hard enough for me, i need the premium hindu kush |
| 16:54.27 | Dagmar | So... about the only effect is that weird and (IMHO) foul-tasting variants like that clove-menthol 'Splash' crap went away |
| 16:54.29 | airtonix | high altitude stuff |
| 16:54.56 | Dagmar | airtonix: Something in the spices used in a couple of brands keeps me sane |
| 16:55.30 | airtonix | dude |
| 16:55.44 | Dagmar | About half a pack (hah. now 6 cigarettes) keeps the voices in my head from bothering others |
| 16:56.35 | Fisker | hey nicoli_s |
| 16:56.40 | nicoli_s | yes fisker? |
| 16:56.48 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Do you dye your hair black and wear eyeliner? |
| 16:58.08 | Dagmar | I don't need eyeliner |
| 16:58.38 | Dagmar | ...and I have not willingly been in the sun for about 15 years now. If I dye my hair black, I start to look like a monochrome photo |
| 16:58.41 | Lunessa | And you own at least one pair of army surplus or motorcycle boots and a long coat, right? |
| 16:59.06 | Dagmar | I have a full-length black leather trenchcoat, and a pair of jump boots, yes |
| 16:59.15 | airtonix | muwahaha |
| 16:59.19 | Lunessa | Naturally. The sterotype is complete. |
| 16:59.49 | Dagmar | I don't wear the boots for things other than special occasions |
| 16:59.51 | Dagmar | Ice storms and so on |
| 16:59.53 | airtonix | if you saw me in a crows you wouldn't notice me |
| 16:59.57 | airtonix | crowd* |
| 16:59.57 | MoonWitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.10 | MoonWitch | or male? |
| 17:00.16 | Lunessa | Haha... He's as viciously male as I am. |
| 17:00.18 | Dagmar | MoonWitch: Much like the rest of the channel, I have a somewhat female looking 'nym, but I do have a penis |
| 17:00.24 | MoonWitch | actually it doesn't matter -- I like you |
| 17:00.24 | Lopeppeppy | Dagmar is a meat popsicle. :) |
| 17:00.28 | Seerah | viciously hehe |
| 17:00.51 | airtonix | wait what? |
| 17:00.54 | MoonWitch | Lopeppeppy and Seerah!!!! huggles n kisses |
| 17:01.00 | Seerah | hihi! |
| 17:01.05 | Lopeppeppy | It is good to be the girls. |
| 17:01.13 | Lunessa | I get mistaken by new folks in the channel for female because of the nick, so it always amuses me to correct them. |
| 17:01.49 | airtonix | books |
| 17:01.51 | airtonix | covers |
| 17:01.54 | MoonWitch | why do I get the feeling if ppl with a masculine nick are expected to be girls? |
| 17:01.56 | airtonix | etc |
| 17:02.14 | Seerah | gain called me "sire" earlier. didn't have the energy to correct |
| 17:02.23 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 17:02.29 | Dagmar | MoonWitch: Well, it depends... If they seem like a *young* girl, it's probably because most FBI agents are male |
| 17:02.34 | Lunessa | None of the female regulars have masculine nicks. |
| 17:02.47 | Lopeppeppy | At least, not on this channel I don't. |
| 17:02.52 | MoonWitch | do we have a lot of fem regulars? |
| 17:03.12 | nevcairiel | add Cairenn to the discussion, and you're looking at them |
| 17:03.14 | Dagmar | Probably more than the usual |
| 17:03.18 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:03.19 | Lunessa | Cairenn, Seerah, Lopeppeppy and a couple others. |
| 17:03.26 | Dagmar | Apparently, some chicks actually do play WoW |
| 17:03.30 | airtonix | when skynet comes you will regret this |
| 17:03.31 | Seerah | pez hasn't been around in a while :( |
| 17:03.37 | Cairenn | yeah :( |
| 17:03.40 | MoonWitch | so that's it then |
| 17:03.53 | MoonWitch | and hello nev :) |
| 17:03.56 | Cairenn | we have a couple others that pop in every now and then |
| 17:04.16 | Dagmar | BP can go ahead and dismiss their PR officers now I think. The internet people are in full swing with mocking them now. |
| 17:04.16 | Lunessa | p3lim is fem I think. |
| 17:04.26 | MoonWitch | no |
| 17:04.32 | Seerah | Lunessa: I'm not so sure |
| 17:04.33 | MoonWitch | I've seen his picture |
| 17:04.41 | MoonWitch | his first name is Adrian |
| 17:04.49 | Seerah | Phanx is, but she doesn't come around the channel |
| 17:04.49 | airtonix | -_- |
| 17:04.54 | Lunessa | Well, in that case... I'm wrong. |
| 17:06.07 | MoonWitch | I think it took me like a year to figure out Tek is male |
| 17:06.19 | Lunessa | But /mostly/ gender doesn't matter. Your code or your intellect matter more. |
| 17:06.24 | Seerah | really? with the whole furry bear thing? |
| 17:06.44 | MoonWitch | well I didn't know what he looked like then |
| 17:06.59 | MoonWitch | those pictures actually confirmed that he is indeed male lol |
| 17:07.09 | Dagmar | Club kid motto: "It'll matter if we get naked and kinky--until then, who cares." |
| 17:07.32 | airtonix | a motto like that as a kid ? |
| 17:07.36 | nevcairiel | I'll always just assume everyone is male, until i'm convinced otherwise |
| 17:07.47 | nevcairiel | on the internetz, anyway |
| 17:07.56 | airtonix | im not convinced any of you are even human |
| 17:07.57 | Dashkal | English needs a set of gender neutral pronouns |
| 17:08.09 | nevcairiel | it |
| 17:08.11 | MoonWitch | ok nevcairiel what am i |
| 17:08.11 | Seerah | they, them, it |
| 17:08.23 | Dagmar | airtonix: No, as a 'club kid'. I.e., someone who goes to dance clubs often |
| 17:08.36 | Seerah | they/them doesn't necessarily imply plural |
| 17:08.38 | airtonix | ok makes more sense now |
| 17:08.43 | Dagmar | The best clubs have a lot of bi/trans people |
| 17:08.44 | Dashkal | I rather doube people will like being referred to as 'it' :P |
| 17:09.01 | Dashkal | his/hers. he/her. its? |
| 17:09.15 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel knows that I am a super-intelligent irish setter. |
| 17:09.16 | MoonWitch | wow I totally reads that as having a t in front of its |
| 17:09.29 | MoonWitch | -s |
| 17:09.32 | Dagmar | Therefore beyond the usual "this is a good way to meet alcoholics" thing it behooves one to learn to treat gender with a little more circumspectly and with some caution. ;) |
| 17:09.36 | airtonix | well when you upload you consciousness to a neural net, what gender are you then ? |
| 17:09.52 | MoonWitch | then you're smart, sexy, hot .. |
| 17:10.06 | MoonWitch | I would love to do that btw |
| 17:10.07 | Dagmar | airtonix: depends on what perhipherals you have installed |
| 17:10.11 | airtonix | what ever gender you want to be |
| 17:10.27 | Dashkal | I'd prefer to stay in my own hardware. More difficult to hack |
| 17:10.28 | Lopeppeppy | Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate! |
| 17:10.34 | nevcairiel | MoonWitch: you know how easy it is on the web to find out alot about people just by their email :d |
| 17:10.34 | Lunessa | "Sir, are you classified as human?" "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
| 17:10.41 | Dagmar | ...although it's Linux that has all the drivers for the fufme perhipherals. |
| 17:10.44 | airtonix | beefcake |
| 17:10.57 | MoonWitch | yeah i know |
| 17:11.02 | MoonWitch | you'll find a LOT on me |
| 17:11.08 | MoonWitch | I honestly don't care lol |
| 17:11.09 | Dashkal | <3 that movie |
| 17:11.14 | nevcairiel | looks over her linkedin profile |
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| 17:12.38 | MoonWitch | hey Tor |
| 17:12.43 | MoonWitch | Torhal: |
| 17:13.04 | MoonWitch | (hit enter too fast sorry) |
| 17:13.04 | nevcairiel | Also, i'm sorry. You are working user support, i feel for you |
| 17:13.18 | MoonWitch | you too? |
| 17:13.30 | nevcairiel | not anymore, luckily |
| 17:13.32 | MoonWitch | (and thank you, it *is* appreciated) |
| 17:13.54 | MoonWitch | which brings me to the why LinkedIn :P |
| 17:14.08 | nevcairiel | was the first thing that google gave me |
| 17:14.10 | nevcairiel | shrug :) |
| 17:14.31 | Lunessa | User support is a large part of my day. Along with low-level sys admin crap and tech writing. |
| 17:14.55 | MoonWitch | Lunessa: same -- without the sys admin |
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| 17:15.57 | Lopeppeppy | I get to go teach someone about cutting and pasting. |
| 17:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | Excuse me while I /wrist on my way down the hall. |
| 17:16.07 | MoonWitch | oh god the horror |
| 17:16.13 | Lopeppeppy | supports a lower level of user around this joint. |
| 17:17.04 | MoonWitch | Lopeppeppy: Panda's biggest audience is -- those ppl |
| 17:17.55 | MoonWitch | right click "My Computer" |
| 17:18.03 | MoonWitch | right click? |
| 17:18.04 | Lunessa | I do a lot of account creation/management, white/blacklist management, instructional docs, software testing for tools, back up sys admin for our tracking software, and... way. too. many. user. support. calls. |
| 17:18.09 | MoonWitch | Yes, the mouse button on the right |
| 17:18.34 | MoonWitch | 10 minutes later we got the the context menu we needed |
| 17:19.29 | MoonWitch | longest ever for me was 40 min and the guy STILL hadn't succeeded into copy/paste into address bar |
| 17:19.51 | airtonix | proly looking for a rod on his screen |
| 17:19.59 | airtonix | rod = bar |
| 17:20.06 | Lopeppeppy | I get to go to their desks... that saves some time on the "giving directions" thing. |
| 17:20.09 | Lopeppeppy | afk |
| 17:20.34 | Dashkal | You get to slap them when they screw up then? |
| 17:21.26 | Lunessa | For the massively clueless, I just remote into their machines as do it for them. |
| 17:22.13 | nevcairiel | thats basically the first thing the people at out help desk do |
| 17:22.14 | cog|work | I got to watch our vet peel a blister off our dogs eyeball and then scratch a grid pattern onto his cornea with a needle |
| 17:22.25 | cog|work | and paid $80 for this privilege |
| 17:22.30 | cog|work | :'( |
| 17:22.34 | nevcairiel | "whats your station name?" .. "clikc confirm on the box that pop ups on your screen, and i'll take a look" |
| 17:22.51 | MoonWitch | Lunessa: that was why that dude needed to copy/paste into the address bar, he couldn't type " logmein.com" |
| 17:23.06 | MoonWitch | damn cog |
| 17:23.10 | MoonWitch | is the dog ok? |
| 17:23.34 | cog|work | this is an ongoing thing from a few weeks ago... He knocked himself in the head somehow (probably while playing with cats) |
| 17:23.35 | Lunessa | Maybe now the pup will quit running into the wall? |
| 17:23.42 | cog|work | got a minor concussion and eye trauma |
| 17:23.51 | Dagmar | MoonWitch: their HR dept. needs to consider computer literacy as a job requirement then |
| 17:24.05 | cog|work | He's getting better, but the ulcer on his eye is being stubborn |
| 17:24.10 | MoonWitch | Dagmar: end users - they're not within our company :* |
| 17:24.30 | Dagmar | MoonWitch: Oh I can see that. It's an ongoing problem. |
| 17:24.34 | gain | Seerah: sorry ma'am |
| 17:25.18 | Dagmar | Lots of places have computer usage as something people have to do as part of their job, but very few places actually make sure people can do something more elaborate than type a letter in Word |
| 17:25.20 | Seerah | gain: :) |
| 17:25.50 | MoonWitch | Dagmar: they should not allow some ppl on computers |
| 17:26.01 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.03 | gain | anyone here use stUF |
| 17:26.40 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.57 | cog|work | MoonWitch: he looked kinda like this after he hit his head: O_. |
| 17:27.07 | MoonWitch | aww |
| 17:27.12 | MoonWitch | poor dog :* |
| 17:27.20 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.31 | MoonWitch | lolol |
| 17:27.42 | MoonWitch | the sheer panic in voices is great fun |
| 17:28.08 | MoonWitch | and gain I wasn't ignoring you, but I don't use Stuf |
| 17:28.43 | nevcairiel | If everyone were to answer and say "no, i dont use it", its quite alot of spam =p |
| 17:28.51 | cog|work | Dagmar: the access database I "inherited" looks like it was designed for DOS. Every screen is crammed with as much information as possible, contorted into ungodly arrangements |
| 17:29.01 | Dagmar | I'm still waiting to hear back from them about a request for the source on one of the things |
| 17:29.06 | Dagmar | I *know* it's using Linux. |
| 17:29.56 | Dagmar | ...and there's something I'd *dearly* love to fix. At one point I have to punt less than a megabyte of data to these things and it takes 20 goddamn minutes |
| 17:29.59 | gain | !api getspellinfo |
| 17:29.59 | lua_bot | GetSpellInfo: Returns information about a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellInfo) |
| 17:30.24 | Dagmar | If they'll gimme the damn source I *will* sort out why it's taking a dog's age to do so |
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| 17:30.46 | MoonWitch | well I suck at programming so i wouldn't be able to |
| 17:30.48 | Dagmar | I'm being nice by not firing up a sniffer and reverse-engineering it all |
| 17:30.54 | MoonWitch | lolol |
| 17:31.41 | Dagmar | I'm not super-duper great at programming, but I've been at it for > 25 years now so I'm at 'just above suck' level on about 15 differnet languages |
| 17:32.24 | Dagmar | So long as there's a programmer's reference manual, I can generally pound on a bit of code until I find where it's not doing what it's supposed to. |
| 17:32.34 | gain | http://www.wowuigallery.com/topic/led-v2 --- anyone know what color codes this guy is using |
| 17:33.44 | MoonWitch | gain, you could ask Led :) I am sure he wouldn't mind telling you if he remembers |
| 17:33.50 | gain | is he here? |
| 17:34.00 | Dagmar | gain: Well, since there's no worries about anti-aliasing... open up Gimp or Photoshop and use the eye-dropper on whatever pixels you like |
| 17:34.11 | gain | Dagmar: all the classes aren't in his pics :P |
| 17:34.15 | MoonWitch | no but there is an option to comment |
| 17:34.23 | gain | oh ya heh ill do that |
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| 17:34.53 | nevcairiel | does that page just have screenshots or ui downloads? |
| 17:35.01 | Dagmar | Yeah but it looks like he's followed a decent method for coming up with them--they look like they're all about the same brightness so you can probably infer the other colors from those few on the screenshot |
| 17:35.15 | gain | nevcairiel: some have downloads too |
| 17:35.33 | nevcairiel | i guess the one you want doesnt? =P |
| 17:35.38 | gain | yup |
| 17:35.45 | Dagmar | I really *don't* care for it when someone's got text of wildly varying luma |
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| 17:50.22 | alestane | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1679 |
| 17:50.35 | alestane | "Baking is wonderful. It's like science for hungry people." |
| 17:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | pokes alestane! Take that. |
| 17:50.59 | alestane | Oof! |
| 17:51.28 | Dagmar | I dunno about it being 'science'. |
| 17:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | Kat had good birthday? |
| 17:51.38 | Thunder_Child | actually, it's like agony for hungry people |
| 17:51.56 | Dagmar | WHen you're hungry about the only 'science' involved is "Let's hope this stuff we had around doesn't taste weird when it's all mixed in together." |
| 17:52.04 | alestane | She got to go to Sonic and play Zelda, she seemed happy. |
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| 17:54.08 | Lopeppeppy | I made a nice bean salad. No science, no wait. Just eat. |
| 17:55.53 | Thunder_Child | "[10:55:16] [2] [Atelus]: Have you ever wondered what type of meat you'd get if you polymorphed a tauren then BBQd it? Does the mention of 2 Girls 1 Cup immediately induce the desire eat rocky road icecream? If so, you're the type of demented bastard we want in Bad Dreams! Pst" |
| 17:57.13 | olafski | cool |
| 17:58.19 | Dagmar | alestane: I like Sonic. It's nice to get a burger that's made with meat. |
| 17:58.37 | Dagmar | Of course, the Jack in the Box down the street is more likely to get my monye |
| 17:58.53 | Dagmar | ...must resist... the lure... of the BACONATOR |
| 17:59.09 | Dagmar | That thing is evil |
| 17:59.21 | MoonWitch | GOing to lay down for a while |
| 17:59.26 | MoonWitch | Cairenn: wanna join? |
| 17:59.35 | Dagmar | cam url2A? |
| 17:59.41 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:59.42 | Dagmar | s/2A//; |
| 18:01.14 | MoonWitch | Cairenn: I said I was going to lay down, asked if you wanted to join :P (And I will be sleeping before i hit bed) |
| 18:01.17 | alestane | You're right, Lunessa, she's on a mission. |
| 18:01.33 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: I saw, and chuckled :) |
| 18:01.39 | MoonWitch | ah |
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| 18:01.44 | Cairenn | I'd be tempted, but I've got some errands to run |
| 18:01.53 | MoonWitch | alright .. raincheck :) |
| 18:02.07 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 18:02.15 | MoonWitch | alrighty ;) |
| 18:03.13 | Lunessa | ... alestane I am rarely wrong as to motives. :) |
| 18:03.27 | cog|work | ~MoonWitch |
| 18:03.28 | purl | The males will be returning to the channel momentarily... |
| 18:03.34 | MoonWitch | LOL |
| 18:03.44 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 18:04.15 | MoonWitch | that was intensely appropriate |
| 18:04.26 | Thunder_Child | and kinda creepy |
| 18:04.35 | MoonWitch | oh |
| 18:04.38 | MoonWitch | creepy is fun |
| 18:05.39 | KarlKFI|work | i thought BACONATOR was wendys |
| 18:06.17 | Dagmar | Karl: They try, but clearly since I can *finish* that one in a sitting, they're not trying hard enough |
| 18:06.42 | Dagmar | The JitB one is monstrously large, two patties, and enough bacon to make your eyes feel greasy |
| 18:07.11 | KarlKFI|work | hmmm JitB doesn't have one down here by that name |
| 18:07.18 | cog|work | Carl's Junior Six-Dollar Burger imo |
| 18:07.22 | Dagmar | Yeah it's all numbers |
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| 18:07.38 | Dagmar | ...but since it's a giant-ass burger with a pile of bacon on it, it's a baconator |
| 18:07.44 | KarlKFI|work | are six dollar burgers $6 yet? |
| 18:07.54 | cog|work | more if you get the meal |
| 18:07.59 | Dagmar | THey're usually a bit more once you add drink and fries |
| 18:08.13 | KarlKFI|work | well that doesn't technically count |
| 18:08.17 | KarlKFI|work | but still ironic |
| 18:08.24 | Lopeppeppy | .... |
| 18:08.27 | Lopeppeppy | is HUNGRY!!! |
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| 18:08.44 | KarlKFI|work | i wonder if they thought about inflation when they named the burger |
| 18:08.58 | Thunder_Child | i agree Lopeppeppy, lets blame Dagmar |
| 18:08.58 | KarlKFI|work | they should rename it the $10 burger |
| 18:09.46 | Lopeppeppy | TC, I'm hungry because this medical-based diet sucks. |
| 18:10.00 | cog|work | The guacamole bacon six dollar burger has > 1000 calories |
| 18:10.16 | Shadowed | You can't put a price on delicious cog|work |
| 18:10.18 | KarlKFI|work | yummy requires calories, right? |
| 18:10.26 | cog|work | very yummy calories |
| 18:10.41 | Dagmar | Why blame me? I've only recently started eating things based on taste |
| 18:10.48 | KarlKFI|work | lol? |
| 18:10.56 | cog|work | the only thing that would make it better is if they used cheese instead of process cheese food |
| 18:11.04 | Dagmar | Until about five years ago it was just whatever I could most quickly stuff in mah face |
| 18:11.12 | KarlKFI|work | real cheese would be nice, yes |
| 18:11.13 | Dagmar | cog: dream on |
| 18:11.24 | cog|work | yeah, cheese is 'spensive |
| 18:11.32 | cog|work | and very perishable |
| 18:11.33 | KarlKFI|work | then it WOULD cost $6 |
| 18:11.39 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 18:11.44 | Dagmar | Eh? |
| 18:11.54 | Dagmar | Cheese isn't really all that perishable |
| 18:12.08 | KarlKFI|work | not at the speeds fast foods consume it |
| 18:12.10 | Dagmar | I mean, it's mostly bacterial remains to begin with |
| 18:12.23 | KarlKFI|work | you'd need daily deliveries anyway |
| 18:12.34 | cog|work | compared to the processed stuff which has probably sat in a warehouse for weeks it is... |
| 18:12.34 | Lunessa | KarlKFI: Hast thou forsaken the holy Del Taco? |
| 18:12.41 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: oh...i'm hungry because i havent eaten yet today |
| 18:12.45 | KarlKFI|work | no, i had del taco last night at 1am |
| 18:12.47 | Dagmar | Del Taco forsake *us* |
| 18:13.02 | KarlKFI|work | [01:11]<KarlKFI>Tacos! |
| 18:13.08 | Dagmar | There was one down the street from here I was going to get an STO beta key from, only to find that Captain D's completely ate them |
| 18:13.22 | Lopeppeppy | You guys are totally killing me. No food porn unless you describe the taste to me in detail! |
| 18:13.28 | Lopeppeppy | ... although the bean salad was nice. |
| 18:13.36 | Lunessa | Peppy - http://smittenkitchen.com/2010/06/root-beer-float-cupcakes/#more-6395 |
| 18:13.45 | KarlKFI|work | i got a food headache at 1am and really needed tacos |
| 18:13.45 | Thunder_Child | del taco has punty tacos |
| 18:13.48 | Thunder_Child | puny* |
| 18:13.49 | KarlKFI|work | i felt like a junky |
| 18:13.53 | KarlKFI|work | junkie* |
| 18:14.04 | Dagmar | cog: Might be I'm used to slightly more fancy cheeses. Things that come in a wax shell that can survive a bomb blast |
| 18:14.05 | cog|work | my wife has a good taco |
| 18:14.07 | cog|work | +recipe |
| 18:14.11 | cog|work | >< |
| 18:14.13 | Dagmar | hahahaha |
| 18:14.22 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 18:14.31 | MoonWitch | poidh |
| 18:14.31 | Lunessa | LOL |
| 18:14.32 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 18:14.44 | Dagmar | Now everyone has to remember to say "I've heard a lot about you" should you ever meet his wife |
| 18:14.47 | cog|work | Dagmar: they can only survive a bomb blast if you keep the wax sealed ;) |
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| 18:14.56 | Thunder_Child | your wife is getting that comment at blizzcon cog|work |
| 18:15.08 | cog|work | like i'd go to blizzcon... pfft |
| 18:15.15 | MoonWitch | my first would be "Heard you have a great taco <pauze> recipe" |
| 18:15.24 | Lopeppeppy | Do want, Lunessa! |
| 18:15.24 | Dagmar | cog: I think what would solve the problem is more application of irradiation in the US |
| 18:15.30 | cog|work | /feignsuperioritytohidethefactthathecantaffordtogothisyear |
| 18:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | ... not a thing in that I can eat! |
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| 18:15.49 | MoonWitch | cog, it's ok neither can i |
| 18:15.49 | Dagmar | cog: Taco Bell and a few other companies make microwave meals with *meat* in them that can sit on a shelf at room temperature for a year |
| 18:16.02 | cog|work | MoonWitch: 'cept i live within reasonable driving distance |
| 18:16.14 | MoonWitch | but i want to be better looking for Cairenn, Seerah and Lopeppeppy |
| 18:16.18 | MoonWitch | cog - I see |
| 18:16.18 | Thunder_Child | no, i live in reasonable driving distace |
| 18:16.24 | Thunder_Child | yours is close to insanity |
| 18:16.34 | Dagmar | I'm under no illusions that those things weren't exposed to some radiation at some point, even though the US doesn't require them to say |
| 18:16.35 | Lunessa | cog|work: I queued up for a ticket picoseconds after they went on sale last night. NO TICKET FOR ME - PSYCH! |
| 18:16.41 | cog|work | Dagmar: yeah... that's called pasteurization. Ever see cans of soup on the shelf? :P |
| 18:17.00 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. two year old soup.. |
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| 18:17.05 | KarlKFI|work | yay pasteurization |
| 18:17.39 | Dagmar | cog: pasteurization, as far as I know, is what they do to milk to make it not separate |
| 18:17.39 | cog|work | also cheese from unpasteurized milk > * |
| 18:17.39 | cog|work | Dagmar: lulz |
| 18:17.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: thats homoginization (sp?) |
| 18:17.39 | batbot | NightHawkTheSane, homogenization. |
| 18:17.39 | cog|work | that's homogenization |
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| 18:17.45 | NightHawkTheSane | as in, to homogizenize the milk. ;) |
| 18:17.52 | alestane | Pasteurization is heating it up to kill bacteria therein and slow spoiling. |
| 18:17.53 | cog|work | pasteurization is simply heating food to kill off microbes |
| 18:18.05 | MoonWitch | pausterization is the heating to a specific temp to make sure bacterias don't make it out alive |
| 18:18.21 | alestane | I think we've now well-established that. |
| 18:18.22 | NightHawkTheSane | (aside: unhomogenized whole milk is delicious) |
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| 18:18.26 | KarlKFI|work | the other option is presurization, but onyl certain foods survive that |
| 18:18.29 | MoonWitch | sorry |
| 18:18.35 | MoonWitch | hey mikma |
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| 18:18.56 | Dagmar | cog: I also think that possibly pasteurization might not be up to the task of making the meat stay good for two years |
| 18:19.13 | cog|work | it's called canning... |
| 18:19.19 | NightHawkTheSane | if it's properly sealed |
| 18:19.19 | Dagmar | For awhile the Taco Bell meals had an expiration date on them that was a little disturbingly far in the future |
| 18:19.23 | cog|work | they've been doing it for century(ies?) |
| 18:19.27 | Dagmar | It's not cans. It's in plastic. |
| 18:19.29 | alestane | Pasteurization can't prevent new contamination, no. |
| 18:19.32 | cog|work | it's still called canning |
| 18:19.38 | cog|work | all that matters is that it's air tight |
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| 18:19.54 | NightHawkTheSane | if the seal is airtight, and unbroken, its not an issue, really. |
| 18:19.56 | cog|work | as long as the food is cooked/pasteurized in the container, it will remain shelf-stable |
| 18:20.28 | cog|work | enzymes and things will change the texture, but microbes won't grow |
| 18:20.33 | KarlKFI|work | you jsut get lots of dead microbes in your soup |
| 18:20.42 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI|work: those are the best kind of microbes. |
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| 18:20.43 | KarlKFI|work | mmm yummy |
| 18:20.47 | cog|work | protein |
| 18:21.01 | cog|work | of course, you get just as many live ones from raw food ;) |
| 18:21.20 | cog|work | Most of the dna strands in your body are bacterial |
| 18:21.24 | Dagmar | If they produced less exciting side effects it would be nice |
| 18:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | Probiotics! |
| 18:21.26 | alestane | "I was hoping it would make a dozen cupcakes. It made 22. Urp." |
| 18:21.39 | KarlKFI|work | oh darn |
| 18:21.43 | cog|work | Dagmar: most of them do |
| 18:21.47 | KarlKFI|work | too many cupcakes, whatever will id o!? |
| 18:21.52 | cog|work | (produce less exciting side effects) |
| 18:22.07 | cog|work | (that's why you're not sick all the time in spite of consuming vast quantities of microbes daily) |
| 18:22.09 | Dagmar | Karl: Lord knows you can't give them to the neighborhood kids |
| 18:22.21 | KarlKFI|work | heh, not any more |
| 18:22.29 | alestane | 'And I know what youâre thinking, âDeb, donât you know what is IN maraschino cherries? Are you trying to shorten your lifespan?â but rest assured these are like totally organic and local and maybe even free range.' |
| 18:22.35 | KarlKFI|work | well you can... as long as you dont tell their parents |
| 18:22.48 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: I used to eat maraschino cherries by the jar. >.. |
| 18:22.50 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
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| 18:23.04 | Dagmar | Yeah perhaps it's time you sat down and really thought about how you are just one bad press day from being the Great Satan of your neighborhood, man |
| 18:23.14 | Lunessa | alestane: I love that site. Ever since Kamdis linked to to me, I make sure to read it. |
| 18:23.16 | NightHawkTheSane | the only reason I don't know, is becaause they're expensive if you dont buy them in a bulk store. |
| 18:23.17 | KarlKFI|work | free range cherries are like boneless skinless chicken ranches |
| 18:23.30 | Dagmar | Anything that involves "don't tell your parents" is going to be *really* hard to explain in a hurry |
| 18:23.48 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: my health nut relatives always told me they were preserved with formaldehyde and the red dye will give you cancer |
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| 18:24.00 | KarlKFI|work | the range is covered in seran wrap and the chickens are wrapped in twine to keep their insides in and they roll around |
| 18:24.03 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm pretty sure that's entirely wrong :) |
| 18:24.08 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 18:24.24 | Dagmar | Just look ahead to the future... You're at home, you turn on the news, there's a report on a strange man who lives alone, doesn't talk to his neighbors much, been giving "treats" to kids in the area |
| 18:24.29 | alestane | I'm afraid already: http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/06/cartoon-network-reviving-thundercats-.html |
| 18:24.29 | Dagmar | THings only go downhill from there |
| 18:24.33 | mikma | moonwitch: hey hey |
| 18:24.33 | NightHawkTheSane | although equally, i dont believe they're terribly healthy in um.. large quantities either.. |
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| 18:24.39 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: much of my family are physical incarnations of the naturalistic fallacy |
| 18:24.44 | Lopeppeppy | I sooooo want to see the Avengers movie. Thor is hot. |
| 18:24.53 | MoonWitch | ya know -- i am going to bed |
| 18:25.08 | MoonWitch | when I finish my insane workload this week i can breathe again |
| 18:25.19 | alestane | Every time you say that, it's still not true half an hour later. But sweet dreams. |
| 18:25.22 | Dagmar | My mom occasionally gives me presents which are age-inappropriate. Things like an easter basket with a basketball in it |
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| 18:25.43 | NightHawkTheSane | a full size basketball? |
| 18:25.43 | Dagmar | To be safe, I had to go out to the hoop in the middle of the night and just leave it there with a note for the kids |
| 18:26.34 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Yep. It was a nice ball, but I don't shoot hoops unless perhaps there's a robot arm involved in some way |
| 18:27.06 | Dagmar | I don't even remember what for, but at one point she gave me some kind of barbie doll |
| 18:27.09 | alestane | There is a Facebook group called "1,000,000 People Who Want to Plug the BP Oil Spill with Sarah Palin". |
| 18:27.18 | Dagmar | THAT went to Goodwill. I wasn't even going to chance it. |
| 18:27.25 | alestane | If I joined Facebook groups I might be tempted by that one. |
| 18:27.41 | Dagmar | BP is royally screwed. |
| 18:27.47 | cbreak | good. |
| 18:27.51 | cbreak | they deserve it. |
| 18:27.55 | Dagmar | THey kept the press happy, but the internets... the internets will not be so easily assuaged |
| 18:28.20 | cbreak | I wonder... what will happen when some american smoker goes to visit the beach? |
| 18:28.31 | Dagmar | I've got a image here of Spongebob drowned in an oil slick, and a BP logo done up goatse style |
| 18:28.43 | cog|work | i think the oil spill was Britain getting us back for the whole revolution thingy... |
| 18:28.57 | Dagmar | I'm still trying to decide if that last one really counts as 'obscene'. It would make a nice sticker to put on the rear guard of my scooter |
| 18:29.07 | Dagmar | cog: I've considered that possibility, yes. Hehe |
| 18:29.16 | Dagmar | "Take that you colonists!" |
| 18:29.41 | Lunessa | BP - we cut corners because billions were at stake. |
| 18:29.54 | Dagmar | I'm letting them fail at their latest attempt before I launch my salvo |
| 18:29.55 | Mihau | Dagmar: I want to make your vision a reality. |
| 18:30.18 | Lunessa | And "BP - Our second major environmental disaster - because we didn't learn the first time." |
| 18:30.33 | Dagmar | I'll be starting a "How deep is your state?" thing for the kiddies |
| 18:30.53 | Dagmar | ...because if you want to get upset, go look up the square footage your home state takes up. |
| 18:31.22 | Dagmar | Then calculate that if that were a flat tray, and BP poured the oil into it, how *deep* would it be |
| 18:31.24 | cbreak | Dagmar: electro scooter? |
| 18:31.41 | Dagmar | cbreak: No, it runs on gas... just very, very little gas. > 75 mpg |
| 18:31.53 | Dagmar | Hailstorms are kinda a bitch tho |
| 18:32.03 | cbreak | has a driver |
| 18:32.28 | Dagmar | My car is a BMW 325i with a wee little moon roof. |
| 18:32.28 | Lunessa | I'm all for free markets and enterprises doing things in a cost efficient manner to maximize profits. What I'm not for is having them fuck up massively a second time and having to pay to fix it. |
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| 18:32.54 | Dagmar | If I had a 'normal' sized car I could pop open the trunk, toss the scooter into it, and use it like a runabout on trips |
| 18:33.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: when "cost efficiant" eclipses safety, i have a major issue with that |
| 18:33.15 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Just wait for the senate investigations. THey will be great lulz |
| 18:33.20 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I concur. |
| 18:33.28 | Dagmar | ...as BP tries to explain why they never attempted anything that would result in the well being unusable. |
| 18:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | (actually, i have issues when it eclipses a lot of things, but those are all irrelevent to the current discussion :P) |
| 18:33.53 | Dagmar | ...nevermind that the priority should be to stop the thing from destroying hundreds of miles of coastline and obliterating entire biomes |
| 18:34.04 | NightHawkTheSane | I want to know why the drill went online before the relief drill was finished? |
| 18:34.15 | NightHawkTheSane | er, relief well* |
| 18:34.18 | cbreak | is it mandatory to have one? |
| 18:34.29 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: That's actually common practice. And usually NOT a problem. |
| 18:34.32 | cbreak | what I wonder is why did they start to use equipment they knew was deffective? |
| 18:34.33 | NightHawkTheSane | not here (some countries mandate it), but it's common fucking sense. |
| 18:34.33 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: because they were in the middle of setting up the well in the first place. They were going to cap it and come back later |
| 18:35.07 | Dagmar | ...except they fucked around, cut corners, skipped tests, ignored diagnostics, and blew up an entire rig. |
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| 18:35.27 | cbreak | did people die? Did the platform explode? |
| 18:35.30 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 18:35.34 | cbreak | I actually don't know what happened |
| 18:35.36 | NightHawkTheSane | 11 people died, i believe? |
| 18:35.46 | Dagmar | "rape" is not a word I use lightly, but it's going to be what the senate will probably be doing to BP's execs come August |
| 18:36.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: I hope so, but my confidence in the senate to get anything done is.. limited. |
| 18:36.11 | cbreak | why august? |
| 18:36.17 | Dagmar | cbreak: I can't be sure which one was what, but 11 people died in the explosion, and 17 went down with it when it sank and are presumed dead |
| 18:36.40 | Lunessa | Dagmar: But they'll be telling the world that "Business can't be trusted, ever." When it's really "These guys, right here? They're the ones who can't be trusted." |
| 18:37.02 | Dagmar | cbreak: Because I think the only reason the gov't isn't bending them over a barrel and cornholing them like there's no tomorrow is that they have hopes BP will actually stop the leak |
| 18:37.13 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i pretty much agree that no business CAN be trusted. |
| 18:37.13 | Jamash | Business can't be trusted, thought. |
| 18:37.41 | cbreak | they can be trusted to be greedy. |
| 18:37.43 | Dagmar | We *just* averted a massive financial catastrophe, and there's nothing like shooting a major part of the economy in the foot to start things up all over again |
| 18:37.46 | cbreak | with high probability |
| 18:37.49 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: well, yes, but that's about it ;) |
| 18:38.16 | Dagmar | So... investigations right *now* would lead to throwing some people in jail before they can finish screaming at their people |
| 18:38.32 | Lunessa | See, I disagree. Businesses can be trusted. But you have to know the parameters of that trust, and you can't just decide that they're all evil. |
| 18:38.40 | Dagmar | ...and then everyone else would get REAL BUSY finding ways to say they are *not* the people to talk to about stopping the leak |
| 18:39.01 | cbreak | Lunessa, it's not that they are evil. It's that they are completely ruthless. |
| 18:39.11 | cbreak | Absolutely lacking any kind of empathy. |
| 18:39.12 | Lunessa | I disagree there too. |
| 18:39.12 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah, I think it's safe to say that BP can be trusted to try to get oil into barrels and to market, no matter what else happens |
| 18:39.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i didn't say they're all evil, that's certainly not the case. But I'm inherently cynical of any business who isn't motivated entirely by greed, and distrustful of the ones that are. |
| 18:39.27 | cbreak | Cold, calculating beings. Like a psychopath. |
| 18:39.41 | NightHawkTheSane | greed isn't intrinsically evil, but it often leads to doing evil things |
| 18:39.42 | Dagmar | Well, they are, almost by definition 'amoral'. |
| 18:39.47 | Lunessa | Corporations are not humans. You can't count on them to have a soul. |
| 18:39.59 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: that's why i like to differentiate greed from self-interest |
| 18:40.00 | alestane | Remember. A business is a group of people. The principle problem arises when the sole way in which a business's productivity is measured is in its financial accruals. |
| 18:40.00 | Lunessa | But they can have ethics and standards. |
| 18:40.04 | Dagmar | Corporations have no morals because there's no context for anything beyond 'stockholder interest' |
| 18:40.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, tell that to the courts >< apparently corporations are pretty much people now. |
| 18:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | before long, they'll get to vote. |
| 18:40.16 | cbreak | they can have ethic standards, which they can then break. :) |
| 18:40.17 | cog|work | greed is when you act in self interest without regard to the rights of others |
| 18:40.24 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I think that's a good reason to apply more strict controls to them |
| 18:41.20 | Dagmar | An 'entity' gets treated as a person currently, but this fails to recognize that a single person would never say "Yeah, there's a significant risk we could kill off hundreds of miles of sea life, but that would cost a few dollars to avoid: |
| 18:41.26 | cog|work | geting rid of corporate personhood would solve a lot of problems |
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| 18:41.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ agree |
| 18:41.47 | Lunessa | A society drives it's businesses by rewarding them with money when they give people the things they want, and punishing them when they do the things they don't want. People want gasoline at under $3/gallon. And most fuckers won't stop to think about it further than that. |
| 18:41.52 | cbreak | I am not sure if that even exists out of the US? |
| 18:41.57 | cbreak | I don't think it exists here |
| 18:42.05 | Jamash | firstly we should get rid of corporate personhood, and secondly we should redefine corporations so that shareholder profit is not their only goal |
| 18:42.07 | Dagmar | I thought the UK had corporate entities |
| 18:42.13 | cbreak | corporations are counted as a kind of person, but not related to human persons in switzerland |
| 18:42.24 | cbreak | so separate rights |
| 18:42.51 | cbreak | I think it's needed so you can make contracts with a corporation instead of a person in the corporation. |
| 18:43.16 | alestane | Basically. It also shelters shareholders from the corporation's liabilities. |
| 18:43.16 | Lunessa | People bitch that Wal*Mart is evil, but they go there in /droves/ to buy cheap TV sets. The message to Wal*Mart is "We're doing what people want, 'cause profits are up! |
| 18:43.20 | Dagmar | I think it's mainly there so people can make LLCs and take massive risks |
| 18:43.20 | cog|work | i wouldn't calll it "needed" per se |
| 18:43.23 | nevcairiel | legal entity is a word people use for that |
| 18:43.34 | nevcairiel | people can be that, and corporations can too |
| 18:44.06 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Sadly they're the only place around here to get groceries in the middle of the night |
| 18:44.21 | alestane | Something else they recognized people wanted. |
| 18:44.21 | Lunessa | I'm just saying here that you can't remove your own culpability from the equation and blame everything on "evil coroporations" |
| 18:44.40 | Dagmar | Oh yes we can |
| 18:44.58 | Dagmar | A human would generally not do those sorts of things and not wind up with their home being vandalized |
| 18:45.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: *shrug* i wish i could get more people to avoid wal*mart and other such corporations. I do what I can, and I try to avoid patronizing such places, but *shrug* |
| 18:45.16 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane: walmart boycotters unite. i'm on year 11. |
| 18:45.30 | eidolarr | do I need to have an instance of AceAddon to register for a callback with CallbackHandler ? |
| 18:45.37 | nevcairiel | no |
| 18:46.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that said, I don't blame wal*mart soley, a lot of the blame rests on the masses of idiots who don't seem to give a shit. |
| 18:46.09 | nevcairiel | you just need a general purpose callback function, which can be any function, or any "method" of any table |
| 18:46.14 | alestane | !api GetWeaponEnchantInfo |
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| 18:46.14 | lua_bot | GetWeaponEnchantInfo: Returns information about temporary enchantments on the player's weapons (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetWeaponEnchantInfo) |
| 18:46.44 | Lunessa | You can certainly punish companies for wrong-doing or criminal activities. But you can't just say "all you want is a profit, so you're evil." |
| 18:47.18 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: i have a feeling "don't give a shit" isn't even part of the equation for most people who shop at wal mart |
| 18:47.29 | Jamash | uh, yeah you can |
| 18:47.32 | Dagmar | One has to recognize that the difference between immoral and amoral is something that needs to be addressed in law |
| 18:47.37 | Lunessa | Hell, *I* want massive profits, but that's not the criterion for evil. |
| 18:47.49 | Jamash | http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%206:10&version=KJV |
| 18:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, like i said before, greed is not intrinsically evil |
| 18:47.55 | Dagmar | amoral != evil. |
| 18:48.09 | Dagmar | Amoral means that good/evil don't even get consideration. |
| 18:48.13 | cog|work | Jamash: are you seriously trying to use the bible to back up your case? |
| 18:48.23 | cog|work | :P |
| 18:48.23 | Jamash | Sure, why not? |
| 18:48.27 | cog|work | O.o |
| 18:48.32 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, let's just not go there, k? |
| 18:48.45 | Lunessa | 'cause despite my being a person of faith, even I won't buy that as the totality of an argument. |
| 18:48.54 | Jamash | Lunessa's the one going on about good/evil |
| 18:49.01 | Jamash | I'm just helping |
| 18:49.16 | Dagmar | You can certainly blame the people beind the corporation for allowing amorality to take them to new depths of greed and depravity tho |
| 18:49.25 | cog|work | indeed |
| 18:49.32 | cog|work | and that's the real problem |
| 18:49.37 | DWSR | Any Android users that are also FLAC users? |
| 18:49.37 | Jamash | The problem is that the legal definition of a corporation is faulty |
| 18:49.57 | alestane | Several fictional depictions of demons depict them as being amoral more than evil...they don't grasp ideas like "should" and "shouldn't", only "can" and "can't." |
| 18:50.05 | NightHawkTheSane | that's A problem, i'm not sure it's THE problem |
| 18:50.05 | cog|work | groups of people will do things that they wouldn't do alone, and not for lack of manpower |
| 18:50.16 | Lunessa | Dagmar: And I think every guy who said "let's cut a corner here," at BP should be financially ruined and go to prison for the deaths they caused. |
| 18:50.16 | Dagmar | I like Google's 'Don't be evil.' rule because it allows them to thumb their noses at that shareholder interest thing when it would mean doing something that by human standards would be evil |
| 18:50.48 | DWSR | Lunessa: Why? |
| 18:50.50 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I think that I will be very angry if they don't have at least three members of management and one upper management person in a jail cell for it |
| 18:51.03 | Dagmar | 'Criminal negligence' will be an *easy* one to prove |
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| 18:51.09 | Lunessa | DWSR: becuase 11 people are dead. |
| 18:51.10 | DWSR | Dagmar: No it won't. |
| 18:51.13 | NightHawkTheSane | I'll be mildly annoyed if BP continues to exist as a viable corporation :P |
| 18:51.14 | Dagmar | CNN's already dug up more than enough stuff to throw people in jail over |
| 18:51.29 | Lunessa | If I hit a buss with my car and 11 people die. I go to jail. |
| 18:51.36 | Dagmar | DWSR: Safety regulations require certain tests be done, which were not done |
| 18:51.51 | cbreak | google's interpretation of evil is rather liberal |
| 18:51.55 | Dagmar | ...like that 'blowout preventer' thing they keep mentioning that failed |
| 18:52.35 | Dagmar | ...there's a battery involved that didn't have the oomph that was tested once, found to be bad, and not tested on another occasion |
| 18:52.47 | DWSR | Dagmar: Criminal Negligence is actually very difficult to prove in a court of law. |
| 18:53.05 | DWSR | Mostly because the average Joe is a fucking pinhead /anyway/. |
| 18:53.14 | Dagmar | I think we'll have a lot of people really willing to buy into it this time once people realize just how much oil was spilled |
| 18:53.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: We had a lot of people who bought into 9/11. |
| 18:53.34 | DWSR | Look how that turned out. |
| 18:53.36 | Dagmar | That math I was talking about earlier?... Tennessee would already be sloshing around in 1.2 inches of oil. |
| 18:53.45 | DWSR | Mob mentality != good. |
| 18:53.56 | cbreak | you mean 9/11 didn't happen? |
| 18:54.03 | eidolarr | DWSR: that is true of negligence regarding retail, bp would be a whole other sort of negligence |
| 18:54.18 | eidolarr | he probably means the middle east |
| 18:54.26 | Dagmar | Like, the numbers they show on the TV don't really connect with people because above a certain point, the number just doesn't even make sense. |
| 18:54.38 | DWSR | Also, there is legislature in the US that prevents companies who are doing offshore oil from being unlimited in their liability to clean up accidents. |
| 18:54.46 | Dagmar | 10,000 barrels of oil a day is 310,000 gallons of oil per day. |
| 18:54.47 | DWSR | eidolarr: That I do. |
| 18:54.49 | airtonix | NightHawkTheSane, you know they will |
| 18:54.58 | alestane | The usual term for what BP did would be reckless endangerment, I think. |
| 18:55.08 | NightHawkTheSane | airtonix: I know, i'm prepared to be mildly annoyed :\ |
| 18:55.08 | DWSR | Dagmar: I think part of the problem is that the rest of the goddamn planet uses metric. |
| 18:55.15 | airtonix | did? you mean has always done. |
| 18:55.15 | DWSR | Dagmar: So you guys should put it in terms that make sense. |
| 18:55.20 | DWSR | How much is 310k gallons? |
| 18:55.28 | DWSR | !g 310k gallons in litres |
| 18:55.28 | batbot | DWSR: Water Resources Management Decision Support System for the Great Lakes <http://www.glc.org/wateruse/database/downloads.html> |
| 18:55.32 | DWSR | Fuck you batbot. |
| 18:55.37 | Dagmar | dwsr: even converted to liters it's an even larger absurdly large number |
| 18:55.40 | DWSR | Google API, batrick. Get on it. |
| 18:55.40 | foxlit | 1.17 * 10^6 liters |
| 18:55.41 | nevcairiel | batbot doesnt understand the google unit conversions :( |
| 18:55.42 | eidolarr | alestane: i'm pretty sure it constitutes a failure to fulfill duty, which is negligence |
| 18:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: 10k barrels/day is uh, very low, isn't it? |
| 18:56.01 | NightHawkTheSane | as far as esitmates of the leakage. |
| 18:56.04 | DWSR | Google doesn't understand 310k or litres. |
| 18:56.11 | alestane | I don't think you can deliberately commit negligence. |
| 18:56.20 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: 31 gallons to a barrel. You know those blue things you shoot at to watch them bounce around in Half Life 2? |
| 18:56.24 | cbreak | willfully ignorant |
| 18:56.37 | Dagmar | THe ones about 3/4 the size of a person? THOSE. |
| 18:56.40 | alestane | Doing things you know are risky without exercising due diligence. |
| 18:56.40 | DWSR | Criminal negligence is very difficult to prove. |
| 18:56.53 | DWSR | Because you have to prove that there was intent. |
| 18:56.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: no, i know what a barrel is. I'm saying i thought the etimates for the leakage were WAY higher |
| 18:57.11 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: BP was trying to spin it as 5,500 barrels a day |
| 18:57.14 | DWSR | So, basically, what alestane said. It'll be reckless endangerment, not criminal negligence. |
| 18:57.30 | Dagmar | Everyone *else* who is not BP who has looked at the footage has been coming up with numbers 2-4x higher |
| 18:57.31 | DWSR | NHTS: I've seen estimates as high as 30k/day. |
| 18:57.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: and i've heard estimates that go as high of 100k/day |
| 18:57.43 | Dagmar | The 100k one seems to be an outlier |
| 18:57.57 | nevcairiel | who really knows how much is really going out. Its under water .. deep. |
| 18:58.05 | Dagmar | I'm willing to go with 10,000 rather than the mean (which is higher) simply because it's *still* an insane amount of oil |
| 18:58.17 | eidolarr | DWSR: where are you getting that you have to prove intent? |
| 18:58.42 | Dagmar | nevcariel: When the Florida Keys in their entirety become unsafe for swimming and fishing next month, the specific amount won't even matter much |
| 18:58.51 | eidolarr | you have to show that they knew they were failing in their duty, not that they kenw the people would die |
| 18:58.55 | DWSR | eidolarr: Common sense. If you didn't have to prove that it was different than just plain ignorance, there would be a lot more people who were charged with it. :P |
| 18:58.59 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: well, with footage of the leak and knowledge of the size/physics, you can kind of esitmate it |
| 18:59.57 | airtonix | Fisker, give my baboons back |
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| 19:00.26 | Dagmar | I look forward to seeing someone from BP explain how exactly they arrived at the 5,500 barrel-a-day figure |
| 19:00.29 | Dagmar | It should be hilarious. |
| 19:00.30 | airtonix | curses the baboons |
| 19:00.52 | cog|work | nevcairiel: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WhosCounting/oil-spilling-gulf-mexico-bp-basic-calculations/story?id=10705575 |
| 19:01.02 | cog|work | Basically, the method for determining oil spillage boils down to common sense and high school (or even middle school) geometry, specifically the formula for the volume of a cylinder. |
| 19:01.09 | Dagmar | "I'm sorry Mister Senator... What exactly do you mean by 'barrel'?" |
| 19:01.20 | airtonix | a barrel roll. |
| 19:01.47 | airtonix | btw someone using synergy to play game on another computer ? |
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| 19:02.22 | DWSR | airtonix: Yes. |
| 19:02.35 | airtonix | DWSR, do you fullscreen or window it ? |
| 19:02.36 | DWSR | Any Android users who know of a way to play FLAC on their device? |
| 19:02.39 | DWSR | airtonix: Windowed. |
| 19:02.48 | DWSR | I have used fullscreen though |
| 19:03.11 | airtonix | did you change your synergy conf to work with that ? |
| 19:03.29 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 19:03.37 | DWSR | It Just Worked (tm). |
| 19:03.56 | eidolarr | if I create an addon with AceAddon-3.0 is there some sort of call to get at its addon table? |
| 19:04.09 | DWSR | eidolarr: The test of any mens rea element is always based on an assessment of whether the accused had foresight of the prohibited consequences and desired to cause those consequences to occur |
| 19:04.10 | DWSR | btw. |
| 19:04.13 | DWSR | From The Wiki. |
| 19:04.13 | airtonix | my mouse is reeeeeeeeaaaaally sensitive on the remote machine so its likes to drift around the edges |
| 19:04.32 | zenzelezz | <ßaddies>... Ssaddies? |
| 19:04.32 | DWSR | airtonix: Turn down mouse sensitivity on the remote machine. |
| 19:04.40 | airtonix | but only in a fullscreen app |
| 19:04.50 | Dagmar | DWSR: Seems like that boils down into 'BP Is Fucked'. |
| 19:04.51 | DWSR | Make the resolution of the FS app bigger. |
| 19:05.02 | cog|work | eidolarr: do you mean the table passed into each lua file by wow? |
| 19:05.16 | eidolarr | no i mean the AceAddon-3.0 instance |
| 19:05.27 | DWSR | Dagmar: No. It means that the US will have to prove that the people working on that platform knew what was going to happen because of their negligence and still did nothing. |
| 19:05.36 | DWSR | And /that/ is exceedingly difficult to prove. |
| 19:05.58 | cog|work | eidolarr: i think you might need to rephrase the question... when you create the addon, the object you get is the table, no? |
| 19:06.18 | eidolarr | cog|work: yeah, but is ther a global call someone on the outside could make to get a reference to the addon instance? |
| 19:06.26 | cog|work | Ah... |
| 19:06.50 | DWSR | Depends on if you made it local or not. |
| 19:06.56 | Dagmar | DWSR: I don't think so. Being that they're all there because they're supposed to have been _experts_ and that BP has been insisting all along that _their_ people are the ones who best know how this stuff works... |
| 19:06.57 | DWSR | You could always stuff it in _G. |
| 19:07.02 | cbreak | http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1398.html |
| 19:07.02 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 19:07.07 | Dagmar | ...them claiming they had no idea this could happen will not wash. |
| 19:07.08 | eidolarr | but if i don't? |
| 19:07.23 | DWSR | I Don't Know, eidolarr. |
| 19:07.28 | airtonix | then you're in fiskers basement |
| 19:07.31 | cog|work | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-addon-3-0/#w-ace-addon-get-addon-name-silent |
| 19:07.39 | Dagmar | Their *best* hope is to claim the people really responsible were killed in the initial explosion. |
| 19:07.39 | cog|work | eidolarr: gogo reading reference docs... >< |
| 19:07.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: Except that /no one/ has done drilling in this scenario, so they can just claim "ZOMG unexpected circumstances". |
| 19:08.12 | cbreak | can't be unexpected |
| 19:08.15 | cbreak | they knew there was oil |
| 19:08.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's all well and good to say that they were criminally negligent. You have to prove it, and that's difficult. |
| 19:08.27 | Dagmar | DWSR: This wasn't the first well drilled that far out, and it's not like wells that suddenly spew out gasses and run amok are a new thing |
| 19:08.53 | Dagmar | Hell, it's the whole reason they were building an elaborate apparatus on top |
| 19:08.56 | DWSR | No, but the depth is a new factor. I think this is one of the deepest wells ever? And also, the positive pressure factor is very difficult. |
| 19:09.04 | DWSR | I'm not defending them, I'm just saying. |
| 19:09.09 | Dagmar | It's that they apparently didn't stick to the safety regulations that they themselves helped draft that's going to bone them |
| 19:09.10 | eidolarr | DWSR: why would they not follow the chain of liability and attack the higher ranking officials? |
| 19:09.25 | DWSR | I personally hope that BP rots in hell and that this is the event that people need to look into alternative energies. |
| 19:09.29 | DWSR | But I digress. |
| 19:09.36 | Dagmar | DWSR: THey can't claim ignorance because they were doing a "new" thing |
| 19:09.40 | Dagmar | That argument will backfire |
| 19:09.46 | DWSR | How so? |
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| 19:09.55 | Dagmar | If anything it would mean in order to not be negligent they would have to employ even more strict controls |
| 19:09.58 | DWSR | eidolarr: Because if you go too high, the level of involvement diminishes. |
| 19:10.13 | alestane | lua> return strsplit (",", "Template") |
| 19:10.14 | lua_bot | alestane: Template |
| 19:10.18 | alestane | lua> return strsplit (",", "Template,") |
| 19:10.19 | lua_bot | alestane: Template, |
| 19:10.24 | cbreak | I still want to know if someone sets fire to the oil. |
| 19:10.35 | alestane | lua> return select('#', strsplit (",", "Template,")) |
| 19:10.35 | lua_bot | alestane: 2 |
| 19:10.35 | Dagmar | There've been some controlled burns |
| 19:10.39 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:10.49 | batrick | DWSR: i am using the google api |
| 19:11.05 | Dagmar | ...and of course, when it warms up a bit more, you'll probably be able to set the entire Louisiana wetlands on fire with one match |
| 19:11.09 | batrick | some ajax thing |
| 19:11.10 | DWSR | batrick: Obviously not. Your bot doesn't understand how to interpret the calculator or conversion results. |
| 19:11.13 | eidolarr | lets be real here: i don't think anyone among us is a lawyer so we really have no idea what we're talking about |
| 19:11.17 | batrick | meh |
| 19:11.26 | batrick | it might be in the results but icbf to fix it |
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| 19:11.43 | DWSR | Meh, I'll see if I can't whip up a bot for it sometime in the near future. |
| 19:12.07 | DWSR | eidolarr: You don't need to be a lawyer to have a decent understanding of the complexities of the case. |
| 19:12.19 | DWSR | eidolarr: Being a lawyer involves about 3 things. |
| 19:12.30 | DWSR | 1) Knowing all of the laws pertaining to your case, inside and out. |
| 19:12.30 | batrick | DWSR: batbytes.com/google.lua |
| 19:12.38 | DWSR | 2) Arguing the hind leg off of a donkey. |
| 19:12.46 | batrick | feel free to fix it |
| 19:12.47 | airtonix | DWSR, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU |
| 19:12.47 | DWSR | 3) Charging your clients criminal amounts of money in order to do the above. |
| 19:12.51 | batrick | and i'll apply the patch |
| 19:12.59 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9GD4ehJ25o |
| 19:13.17 | DWSR | airtonix: lawl. |
| 19:13.41 | eidolarr | it is folly to think that someone with no legal background can correctly analyze a case so complex |
| 19:13.52 | eidolarr | i mean, can you cite any relevant similar rulings? |
| 19:13.54 | Dagmar | There's no need to worry about the details |
| 19:14.01 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ&feature=related <-- Still my favourite. |
| 19:14.14 | cog|work | it's folly to think that someONE can correctly analyze a case so complex |
| 19:14.17 | Dagmar | BP fucked up, ignored their own safety procedures, and caused a massive ecological disaster |
| 19:14.20 | DWSR | eidolarr: Of course not, I'm not arguing you will be 100% correct. |
| 19:14.22 | alestane | Being a lawyer *can* include telling your clients they should just settle because they're not getting out of this, but doesn't lead to the same kinds of material rewards or visibility. |
| 19:15.53 | airtonix | LOL irc : it's boats |
| 19:16.12 | DWSR | eidolarr: On the other hand, claiming it's impossible to see at least somewhat into the situation is also folly. |
| 19:16.13 | airtonix | internet = tubes, irc = boats. |
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| 19:17.49 | eidolarr | it seems odd to me that anyone can grab an instance of any ace addon and start randomly calling it's event handlers or oninitialize method |
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| 19:18.18 | Iriel | Isn't that true of any addon? |
| 19:18.27 | Iriel | (Any addon that doesn't go out of its way to make everything local) |
| 19:18.36 | Iriel | (and even then, if you use script handlers it doesn't help) |
| 19:18.58 | eidolarr | i hadn't thought about script handlers |
| 19:18.58 | Iriel | Unless you're blizzard there's very little REAL isolation of addons |
| 19:19.01 | cog|work | eidolarr: how would mods be "mods" if they couldn't modify behavior? |
| 19:19.12 | eidolarr | ? |
| 19:19.23 | eidolarr | i-i don't understand the question |
| 19:19.34 | cbreak | graphic only mods. |
| 19:19.47 | cog|work | the whole point of addons is to change the behavior of the default UI. it's pretty natural that they themselves would be subject to the same modification |
| 19:20.09 | cbreak | addons share one "memory space". |
| 19:20.16 | DWSR | It's a Unix system. Do you know this? |
| 19:20.17 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUlAQZB9Ng&feature=related |
| 19:20.59 | cbreak | Back when I saw that I thought "Unix? The developers of that unix thing must be morons..." |
| 19:21.39 | eidolarr | cog|work: I certainly see the value in exposing some things, but an OnInitialize handler being publicly callable is just weird to me |
| 19:21.53 | alestane | lua>(" Bed Declaration , Widget "):gsub("%s*,%s*", ",") |
| 19:21.53 | lua_bot | alestane: Bed Declaration,Widget , 1 |
| 19:22.06 | Iriel | I think you're confusing "Can be called" with "Is expected or intended to be called" |
| 19:22.12 | airtonix | DWSR, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk |
| 19:22.24 | cog|work | eidolarr: it's a side-effect of the architecture |
| 19:22.26 | cbreak | eidolarr: in my addon, initializers are not callable by any other addon |
| 19:22.28 | foxlit | !gg "not because it has a shotgun" |
| 19:22.29 | batbot | foxlit: PHP 5: not even close <http://www.tnx.nl/php5> |
| 19:22.37 | cog|work | it's not like it was designed for that purpose |
| 19:22.39 | cbreak | because I nil them out after the first execution. |
| 19:23.04 | cbreak | but I don't think that most addon authors are as paranoid about memory use... :) |
| 19:23.15 | cog|work | and it would be over-engineering to design against that use |
| 19:23.17 | cog|work | imo |
| 19:23.40 | Iriel | I agree with cog on this one |
| 19:23.50 | cbreak | it's more a side effect of not keeping references to things that are no longer required |
| 19:23.53 | Iriel | Unless an addon had a SPECIFIC reason to prevent it |
| 19:24.03 | alestane | REALLY paranoid about execution, cbreak, you're only releasing the memory allocated to the closures AFAIK. |
| 19:24.08 | cog|work | in which case they could easily unregister the handler once it finishes |
| 19:24.15 | cbreak | but I admit, memory management is not in the scope of these days programmers :/ |
| 19:24.16 | Iriel | cbreak: Your case is slighhtly different, and likely "opttimization" or "overoptimization" depending on who you ask 8-) |
| 19:24.23 | DWSR | airtonix: Win., |
| 19:24.59 | alestane | How much memory for a closure in Lua, Iriel? |
| 19:25.00 | Iriel | e.g. people who localize references to things that are called once every few minutes |
| 19:25.16 | Iriel | alestane: not a whole lot, but it depends how many upvalues it has |
| 19:25.38 | cbreak | I try to localize most of the addons |
| 19:26.12 | cbreak | welll... actually only the newest one |
| 19:26.23 | cbreak | and only expose an addon table and some public api |
| 19:26.58 | Iriel | cbreak: I tend to write stuff that way too, more so that I dont get in othere peopel's way than anything else |
| 19:27.08 | eidolarr | the introduction of the ... addon local table has made it a lot more natural to keep a local namespace, and for me a lot more deliberate to expose things |
| 19:27.19 | eidolarr | it's made me think hard about why the things that are public are public |
| 19:27.23 | cbreak | addon local table? what's that? |
| 19:27.33 | Iriel | alestane: Last time I measured it was 20 bytes for the closure, 4 bytes for any upvalue constant, and 32 for any upvalue reference |
| 19:27.43 | eidolarr | like local name, namespace = ... at the top of the file |
| 19:27.52 | cog|work | cbreak: every lua file is passed the addon name and an addon-wide private table as the vararg parameter |
| 19:27.57 | Iriel | cbreak: It's essentially a 'private table' every addon gets passed |
| 19:28.04 | cbreak | oh, neat |
| 19:28.11 | Iriel | It has no external reference unless you give it one |
| 19:28.14 | cbreak | I made it like: local MyAddonName = {} |
| 19:28.24 | eidolarr | yeah but then how can file2.lua get access to it? |
| 19:28.26 | Iriel | This is like that, without the global name |
| 19:28.29 | cog|work | 12:27 < eidolarr> it's made me think hard about why the things that are public are public <-- it's called evolution ;) |
| 19:28.50 | cog|work | eidolarr: the same table is passed to every file |
| 19:28.55 | cog|work | for a given addon |
| 19:28.58 | eidolarr | yeah i know |
| 19:29.00 | Iriel | The flip side to the 'private unless otherwise necessary' is that such code is very hard to mod or extend by others without source access |
| 19:29.09 | eidolarr | i was trying to illustrate the difference between the new thing and local MyAddonName = {} |
| 19:29.15 | cog|work | ah |
| 19:29.22 | Iriel | Which for addon folks isn't quite as big a deal., but i'm glad blizzard mostly keeps things public unless there's a good reason not to |
| 19:29.38 | Iriel | The combat log being a stunning example of how to make something nearly impossible to work with |
| 19:30.07 | Iriel | (though it's a bit better than it used to be) |
| 19:30.30 | cbreak | scroll frames? Secure Template stuff? Two things I hated working with... |
| 19:30.40 | eidolarr | Iriel: IMO making things hard to extend is a function of poor design as much of private scoping |
| 19:30.42 | cbreak | well, I kept away from secure stuff. |
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| 19:31.01 | eidolarr | at least for addons |
| 19:31.15 | cog|work | scroll frames are easy, though the api for fauxscrollframes could use... a bit of work |
| 19:31.23 | cog|work | they were designed back when wow was on Lua 4. |
| 19:31.26 | Iriel | Secure templates pre or post wrath? |
| 19:31.32 | cog|work | BC |
| 19:31.49 | Iriel | I meant cbreak hating them 8-) |
| 19:31.54 | cog|work | oh heh |
| 19:32.04 | eidolarr | i still can't get over the /dump blunder haha |
| 19:32.04 | cbreak | the original |
| 19:32.16 | cbreak | the first ZOMGDECURSIVEISEVIL answer |
| 19:32.29 | cbreak | have you seen the drop-down menu api? |
| 19:32.36 | cbreak | it's... rather obscure too |
| 19:33.41 | eidolarr | man i saw MONO the other night, shit was intense |
| 19:34.12 | cbreak | the .Net clone? |
| 19:34.51 | cog|work | "To create the implanted circuit, the UC scientists began with a simple transistor, an electronic device that is the heart of nearly every cell phone and computer on the planet." <-- Really says something about modern culture when cell phones are given as an example of transistor use before computers... |
| 19:35.13 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoM5kfZIQ0 |
| 19:35.21 | KarlKFI|work | computers are magic |
| 19:35.41 | cbreak | weren't transistors used in radios before they were used in computers? |
| 19:35.46 | cbreak | well, maybe at the same time |
| 19:37.28 | Adys | Anyone who played in the 12124 PTR build and did NOT update yet? |
| 19:38.38 | cog|work | KarlKFI|work: airtonix: DWSR: http://notalwaysright.com/beyond-even-the-power-of-pixel-dust/5031 |
| 19:38.55 | Dashkal | computers are obsolete. long live the netbooks/tablets/phones/etc |
| 19:39.25 | cog|work | desktops are for nerds |
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| 19:39.52 | Dashkal | They are, and they should be. Joe user doesn't need one |
| 19:42.11 | eidolarr | unless he wants to play video games |
| 19:42.25 | Dashkal | PC gamers are nerds :P If you're mainstream, buy a console |
| 19:44.58 | eidolarr | nah |
| 19:45.01 | eidolarr | computers are sweet |
| 19:46.12 | cog|work | nerd ^ |
| 19:46.13 | cog|work | :P |
| 19:46.49 | eidolarr | wow wtf cog |
| 19:46.58 | Maldivia | grr... I have Istanbul (Not Constantinople) on my mind, and can't get it out |
| 19:47.00 | eidolarr | i am going back to plan 9 where i don't have to deal with this or irc or just about any program |
| 19:47.07 | cog|work | ? |
| 19:47.29 | cog|work | if you think nerd is an insult, you're definitely in the wrong channel >< |
| 19:47.48 | eidolarr | nm i was being facetious |
| 19:47.55 | cog|work | oh heh |
| 19:48.16 | cog|work | There needs to be sarcasm punctuation |
| 19:48.43 | cog|work | oh i know.... a keyboard that can sense how strongly you key certain words |
| 19:48.45 | cog|work | patents |
| 19:50.18 | Dashkal | invests |
| 19:50.44 | cog|work | Madoffs Dashkal |
| 19:51.25 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQ-wjDH4F4 |
| 19:51.52 | Maldivia | Lunessa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv-KcF3Rkv8 :) |
| 19:52.33 | cog|work | makes a little birdhouse in your soul |
| 19:52.53 | Lopeppeppy | invades with squirrels! |
| 19:53.07 | Maldivia | Lunessa: but I was looking for something to replace it :) |
| 19:53.28 | cog|work | Maldivia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKDtUzRIG6I |
| 19:53.37 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAbZzdalZh4 |
| 19:54.26 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnT5JkGydVY |
| 19:56.02 | Lunessa | Make a little birdhouse in your soul... |
| 19:56.19 | Lunessa | dances in his chair. |
| 19:56.28 | cog|work | watches over you |
| 19:56.43 | Shirik | you know I just realized this house I'm staying at has all this awesome stuff, HE washer/dryer, high temp dishwasher, flat top range and convection oven |
| 19:56.51 | Shirik | and no garbage disposal in the sink |
| 19:56.58 | Shirik | oh and no central heating/air |
| 19:57.14 | Dagmar | Not everywhere needs those |
| 19:57.25 | airtonix | shirik does |
| 19:57.25 | Shirik | I need a garbage disposal :( |
| 19:57.31 | airtonix | see |
| 19:57.34 | Shirik | I don't actually know how I ever lived without one |
| 19:57.35 | Shirik | like |
| 19:57.40 | Shirik | how the hell do you clean out a pot |
| 19:57.44 | airtonix | merely putting garbage in the bin is beneath him |
| 19:57.56 | Shirik | no |
| 19:57.59 | Shirik | let's say you made spaghetti |
| 19:58.00 | eidolarr | Shirik: carefully and miserably by draining the fluid then trashing the guts |
| 19:58.13 | Shirik | see wtf is that |
| 19:58.16 | airtonix | Shirik, i usually scrap it out onto the garden compost |
| 19:58.26 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:58.36 | Dashkal | strainer |
| 19:58.41 | eidolarr | me too i just keep the compost in the sink |
| 19:58.43 | airtonix | Shirik, but normally i dont burn the stuff i cook |
| 19:58.49 | Dashkal | dump contents, rinse strainer. |
| 20:00.40 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:00.42 | Shirik | another thing |
| 20:00.45 | Shirik | I had to buy a STAMP today |
| 20:00.48 | Shirik | wtf are those |
| 20:00.57 | cog|work | in french they're tampons |
| 20:01.24 | Dashkal | Heh, I try to just head to the post office on the rare event I have to do that. Hand over cash, they can handle the stamp |
| 20:02.04 | cog|work | (either that or my french teacher was nuts) |
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| 20:05.28 | Lunessa | I buy a book of those about once a year and use them for the rare times I need them |
| 20:05.34 | Fisker | have you lost your mind Shirik ? |
| 20:05.47 | Shirik | a long time ago |
| 20:05.54 | Shirik | it has been replaced by dual quad core i7s |
| 20:06.22 | cog|work | do the i7s have HT? |
| 20:06.35 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:07.21 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: what temp do yours run at? |
| 20:07.39 | Shirik | quite cool actually |
| 20:07.46 | Shirik | liquid cooling system keeps it at 98.7F |
| 20:08.09 | Arrowmaster | everything seems to run hot in my house |
| 20:08.26 | Arrowmaster | mines at 57C right now |
| 20:08.30 | Shirik | I think Arrowmaster lost the joke |
| 20:08.34 | airtonix | http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/908/6mxgtdxmf8h9ew7.jpg |
| 20:08.53 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: yes i see it now |
| 20:09.00 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: seriously though |
| 20:10.04 | Fisker | why only quadcores Shirik ? |
| 20:10.04 | Shirik | well my laptop runs at about 65C |
| 20:10.04 | Shirik | it's running an i7 |
| 20:10.04 | Shirik | but really I think it's the graphics card that's pulling it that high |
| 20:10.04 | Arrowmaster | ever notice the temp spike with cpu usage? |
| 20:10.04 | Shirik | it's hard to distinguish between CPU and GPU usage |
| 20:10.04 | Shirik | with what I use it for |
| 20:10.13 | Shirik | most of the sim computations are done on the GPU |
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| 20:10.38 | Arrowmaster | ive seen it drop 10C in just a second or two from the cpu going idle |
| 20:10.44 | Shirik | o.o |
| 20:10.55 | Shirik | how is that even possible |
| 20:10.58 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 20:11.08 | Shirik | liquid helium cooling |
| 20:11.58 | Shirik | gotta go bbl |
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| 20:13.25 | Arrowmaster | ive got a http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/Product_Read.asp?idx=356 which isnt a high performance cooler, i suspect the issue is in the software or in the temp monitoring hardware |
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| 20:23.39 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm ramen |
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| 20:31.08 | batrick | Shirik: O.o that's very common |
| 20:31.50 | batrick | My core i7 goes from ~60 degress celcius to 40 degrees in approximately 5 seconds from full load to idle |
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| 20:34.32 | Lunessa | http://www.bbqaddicts.com/blog/recipes/bacon-explosion/ - oh god - they're selling them ready to eat. |
| 20:34.50 | cog|work | indeed |
| 20:35.13 | Lunessa | Ahem. This needs to be at any BlizzCon parties. |
| 20:35.42 | cog|work | should come in the goodie bags |
| 20:36.00 | Lunessa | Not sure about that. But... |
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| 20:38.44 | nicoli_s | yay blizzcon! i cant wait :) |
| 20:39.24 | Lunessa | still has to try for ticket lottery again on Saturday |
| 20:41.14 | nicoli_s | yeah we got a very shitty amount here, i only get to go if we can get more on saturday |
| 20:41.40 | Lunessa | I was fast on the click, and I still got denied. |
| 20:41.56 | Lunessa | 4,800 something in the queue. |
| 20:42.08 | Shadowed | Yea, someone got screwed by 10 :< |
| 20:42.13 | Shadowed | you had to be ~3900 to get in |
| 20:42.14 | Lunessa | It got down to 1,000 in the queue and still... |
| 20:42.33 | nicoli_s | we only got 6 atm for all our staff members :( |
| 20:42.39 | batrick | man that's crazy |
| 20:42.47 | batrick | they need a bigger convention center :( |
| 20:43.10 | NightHawkTheSane | they need to charge more :P |
| 20:43.31 | batrick | meh, that's not blizzard's way of doing things |
| 20:43.35 | batrick | they love luck after all |
| 20:44.01 | Lunessa | There were tickets up on ebay almost as fast as they went on sale from the store. /gnashing of teeth/ |
| 20:44.26 | Lunessa | And the prices people were asking.... /more gnashing of teeth/. |
| 20:44.28 | nicoli_s | i really wish they had just bound it to a bnet acct |
| 20:44.33 | nicoli_s | that would fix that problem |
| 20:44.41 | batrick | ^ |
| 20:44.52 | batrick | ya with all the unification shit blizz is doing |
| 20:47.31 | airtonix | http://www.users.on.net/~mjbayly/forum_stuff/car_sex_6.jpg |
| 20:47.37 | airtonix | sfw |
| 20:47.48 | Lunessa | supafly! |
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| 20:49.30 | batrick | hot. |
| 21:02.01 | Arrowmaster | batrick: how fast does your i7 heat up going from idle to full load? |
| 21:03.32 | nevcairiel | mine does that really fast |
| 21:03.45 | batrick | probably same amount of time to cool |
| 21:04.04 | nevcairiel | thats fast too |
| 21:04.49 | Arrowmaster | my previous system never spiked like that so i was thinking something was wrong with the temp monitoring |
| 21:06.40 | airtonix | http://games.on.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1918658#p1918658 |
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| 21:08.19 | cog|work | kitteh! |
| 21:10.46 | Nechckn | Meow? |
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| 21:11.04 | Cairenn | purr |
| 21:12.02 | Nechckn | moves gingerly in Cairenn's direction, and rubs his whisker on Cairenn's ear. |
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| 21:12.14 | cog|work | grabs the popcorn |
| 21:12.36 | Cairenn | careful, my claws are out in full force today |
| 21:12.48 | Shadowed | and as sharp as ever! |
| 21:12.49 | Lunessa | yikes |
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| 21:41.29 | Antiarc | What's the accepted "Put an LDB icon on the minimap if no other LDB consumer is available" solution? |
| 21:41.47 | Arrowmaster | there isnt an automatic one afaik |
| 21:41.52 | Antiarc | Bah. |
| 21:56.12 | cbreak | I wonder what SC2 needs 80% cpu power and 100% GPU power while idleing on the menu |
| 21:56.26 | nevcairiel | Same reason WoW needs the same power on the login screen? :D |
| 21:56.58 | cbreak | wow doesn't make my graphic card whine in ultra sonic pitch |
| 21:56.58 | foxlit | They're stealing your microwatts to do their own secret math! |
| 21:57.45 | cbreak | seems my CPUs use 15 watt each |
| 21:58.02 | cbreak | well, it jumps up to 50 |
| 21:58.36 | Kalroth | try enabling vsync |
| 21:59.29 | Thunder_Child | unless they changed the grpahics on SC2 it isnt that good |
| 22:02.07 | cbreak | there is no vsync option |
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| 22:05.48 | Kraps | http://cgi.ebay.com/WoW-art-One-1-Blizzcon-2010-Tickets-/290441798681?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item439fae2419 |
| 22:05.55 | Kraps | i hate people |
| 22:06.54 | Kraps | why are there so few? http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A2980&_nkw=blizzcon+2010&_dmpt=US_Tickets_all_in_one&_sticky=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_sop=1&_sc=1 |
| 22:07.07 | Adys | ebay has been removing them, fyi |
| 22:08.07 | Kraps | craigslist? |
| 22:10.18 | Lunessa | because people are douches? |
| 22:10.37 | Kraps | lolwut http://newyork.craigslist.org/rnr/ |
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| 22:19.06 | cog|work | no |
| 22:19.11 | Krapsy | damn |
| 22:19.47 | Krapsy | can someone kick my other nick |
| 22:20.09 | cog|work | kraps isn't on |
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| 22:20.43 | Krapsy | im getting |
| 22:20.46 | Krapsy | [06:20:33]===Kraps #wowwiki Cannot change nickname while banned on channel |
| 22:20.58 | foxlit | authenticate to services. |
| 22:21.07 | foxlit | or leave, change nick, and rejoin |
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| 22:36.32 | Shirik_ | so like |
| 22:36.41 | Shirik_ | does C# actually have a purpose for `struct` |
| 22:36.45 | Shirik_ | or is it just to make the language more complicated? |
| 22:37.06 | airtonix | it makes the turtle move in circles |
| 22:37.31 | cog|work | Shirik_: struct are value types, classes are reference types |
| 22:37.39 | Shirik_ | o |
| 22:37.47 | p3lim | how the hell do I save an image on photoshop? I can only save as project files (PSD etc) |
| 22:37.54 | Shirik_ | p3lim: export |
| 22:38.09 | Shirik_ | however unless you're done with the image |
| 22:38.10 | airtonix | lol, i hate that about photoshop |
| 22:38.20 | Shirik_ | you WANT to save it as a PSD |
| 22:38.22 | p3lim | export has various options :s |
| 22:38.25 | p3lim | no, im finished |
| 22:38.53 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:38.54 | Lunessa | p3lim: Save As - Choose the format. |
| 22:38.57 | Fisker | i'm so awesome |
| 22:39.14 | p3lim | Lunessa: aint any image file formats, just project files |
| 22:39.15 | Lunessa | You may need to "Flatten" the image for non-layered formats. |
| 22:39.26 | p3lim | how do I do that |
| 22:39.31 | p3lim | never used PS before |
| 22:39.34 | Lunessa | p3lim: CS4? |
| 22:39.34 | Shirik_ | *cough* does that for you if you export |
| 22:39.37 | p3lim | CS5 |
| 22:39.48 | Lunessa | Oh. I don't have CS5 yet. |
| 22:39.52 | p3lim | Shirik: export has multiple options |
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| 22:39.58 | Shirik_ | yes it does |
| 22:39.59 | airtonix | cough, should do it automatically when you save to a single layer format IMO |
| 22:40.04 | p3lim | which do I choose? |
| 22:40.11 | Shirik_ | I don't know I don't have CS5 |
| 22:40.23 | Shirik_ | just flatten the image |
| 22:40.25 | Shirik_ | if you're done |
| 22:40.25 | Antiarc | Save For Web, or Save As -> choose format |
| 22:40.31 | Antiarc | No flattening required |
| 22:40.46 | Antiarc | Save For Web produces smaller files, it seems. |
| 22:41.13 | p3lim | piece of shit software, cant even save stuff |
| 22:41.24 | cog|work | Shirik_: http://www.jaggersoft.com/pubs/StructsVsClasses.htm |
| 22:41.54 | p3lim | Antiarc: save as doesnt let me choose something like BMP or PNG, and Save For Web isnt even usable (greyed out/unclickable) |
| 22:42.13 | Antiarc | Sounds like you're using an odd image depth or something |
| 22:42.29 | p3lim | thing is, i'd like to keep the transparent background |
| 22:42.32 | Zyn | p3lim : go Image > Mode |
| 22:42.37 | Zyn | what's it set to ? |
| 22:42.44 | p3lim | RGB + 32bit |
| 22:42.48 | Antiarc | Oh, yeh, you're in 32-bits/channel |
| 22:42.54 | Antiarc | You just need RGB+8bit |
| 22:43.02 | Shirik_ | this = that; // compiles ok |
| 22:43.03 | Shirik_ | what the fuck |
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| 22:43.19 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 22:43.26 | nicoli_s | what lang Shirik? |
| 22:43.32 | Fisker | slaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:43.38 | Fisker | i'm awesome nio |
| 22:43.40 | p3lim | Antiarc: thanks :) |
| 22:43.40 | Fisker | bah |
| 22:43.41 | Shirik_ | C# |
| 22:43.47 | Fisker | btw Antiarc have you lost your mind? |
| 22:43.49 | airtonix | kek |
| 22:43.53 | nicoli_s | you can assign stuff to this in C#? had no idea |
| 22:43.59 | Antiarc | Not that I'm aware of, Fisker. Have you found it? |
| 22:44.06 | Shirik_ | if it's a struct in a constructor apparently |
| 22:44.19 | Shirik_ | in a constructor of a struct, `this` is an out parameter |
| 22:44.22 | nicoli_s | heh im just listening to a song called Where is my mind :P |
| 22:44.29 | Fisker | yeah Antiarc |
| 22:44.33 | p3lim | png options, none or interlaced? |
| 22:44.39 | Fisker | You removed adjust in one of the hudmap builds :( |
| 22:44.43 | Antiarc | p3lim: Doesn't matter a whole lot |
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| 22:44.46 | Antiarc | Fisker: Eh? |
| 22:44.50 | Antiarc | It got promoted to general options |
| 22:44.51 | Fisker | or atleast made it so ambiguous to find it was impossible |
| 22:44.54 | Antiarc | Out of Adaptive Zoom |
| 22:45.02 | Fisker | weird |
| 22:45.07 | Antiarc | Or ctrl-right-click the LDB entry |
| 22:45.11 | Fisker | because i'm pretty sure it was in general to begin with :o |
| 22:45.16 | Antiarc | It wasn't |
| 22:45.28 | Antiarc | It was in adaptive zoom because it only made sense there before I added the clipping options |
| 22:45.45 | p3lim | thanks for the help :) |
| 22:46.20 | Fisker | Will you support drawing on it btw? |
| 22:46.26 | Fisker | or are you chicken? |
| 22:46.28 | Fisker | :P |
| 22:46.32 | kd3 | grr |
| 22:46.35 | Antiarc | Fisker: You mean like arbitrary drawing? Not likely. There are addons that solve that already. |
| 22:46.40 | kd3 | email me back, blizz |
| 22:46.41 | kd3 | sighs |
| 22:46.48 | Antiarc | I'll support placing arbitrary markers and sharing them with the raid |
| 22:46.53 | Fisker | what are you groveling for now kd3 ? |
| 22:46.58 | Fisker | yeah Antiarc |
| 22:47.01 | Fisker | that's kinda what i want |
| 22:47.07 | Antiarc | That's down the road |
| 22:47.11 | kd3 | getting my authenticator disabled. battery gave up the ghost yesterday |
| 22:47.14 | Fisker | Just go around and put a transparent skull, cross, etc. on the hudmap |
| 22:47.22 | Antiarc | I want the core non-communicated functionality working solid first. |
| 22:47.25 | Antiarc | Right |
| 22:47.48 | Antiarc | Well, the idea is that I'll provide "pull out configs", so you could pull out a Sindra 25 heroic set of icons, pre-spaced, and drop them where you want |
| 22:48.01 | Fisker | Is there a way to make a background btw? |
| 22:48.03 | Antiarc | So someone does the positioning work ahead of time to give you a template, then you just pull out and place the template |
| 22:48.11 | Antiarc | Yup, check borders/backgrounds under general |
| 22:48.13 | Fisker | couldn't find it last raid |
| 22:48.15 | Fisker | ok :P |
| 22:48.16 | Antiarc | Assuming you're running the latest |
| 22:48.20 | Antiarc | I added it last night |
| 22:48.23 | Fisker | ah nice |
| 22:48.48 | Fisker | Then all we need is a new version of blessed |
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| 22:49.14 | Fisker | man i'm happy they're finally fixing blessings though |
| 22:52.30 | NightHawkTheSane | fixes Fisker |
| 22:53.18 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/comment/23936341 |
| 22:58.24 | Lunessa | kd3: How long did yours last? |
| 22:58.33 | kd3 | a few years |
| 22:58.37 | kd3 | it's the blizzcon 2007 one |
| 22:59.14 | Lunessa | *nod* I have the 2009 one, wondering how long before I have to replace the battery. :) |
| 22:59.39 | Fisker | hey NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:59.48 | Fisker | mine is still owrking kd3 |
| 22:59.49 | Fisker | pwnt |
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| 23:01.27 | Fisker | pwns kd3 |
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| 23:01.55 | Fisker | what Kraps |
| 23:01.56 | Fisker | wat. |
| 23:02.16 | Kraps | your moms face Fisker |
| 23:02.43 | Thunder_Child | you know Esamynn|Away, the least you could do is put names on last years dinner pictures |
| 23:03.02 | Shadowed | and photoshop Cairenn in |
| 23:03.14 | Cairenn | :p |
| 23:03.16 | Cairenn | no |
| 23:03.19 | Thunder_Child | she is there |
| 23:03.24 | Thunder_Child | front and center |
| 23:03.28 | Fisker | btw you fail kd3 |
| 23:03.31 | Fisker | it was 2008 |
| 23:03.33 | Fisker | not 2007 |
| 23:03.39 | Shadowed | It doesn't have to actually be Cairenn, just do the stick figure version! |
| 23:03.41 | kd3 | w/e |
| 23:03.53 | Thunder_Child | but Cairenn is already there Shadowed |
| 23:04.00 | Shadowed | oh is she? |
| 23:04.00 | Cairenn | no |
| 23:04.03 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 23:04.05 | Shadowed | I don't remember half of that night |
| 23:04.05 | Cairenn | no |
| 23:04.05 | Fisker | good night kd3 |
| 23:04.10 | Fisker | i will dream of killing you |
| 23:04.11 | Thunder_Child | http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2009/Misc/Dinner/IMG_1748.jpg.html |
| 23:04.15 | Fisker | and stealing something from Shadowed |
| 23:04.15 | Cairenn | no |
| 23:04.27 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: your no's seem to be lacking something |
| 23:04.40 | Thunder_Child | like oomph |
| 23:04.42 | Cairenn | ewww, what an absolutely fugly picture of me! |
| 23:04.52 | Thunder_Child | no one looks good when they eat |
| 23:05.08 | Cairenn | yeah, but that's even worse than usual! |
| 23:05.15 | Shadowed | You hate every picture :p |
| 23:05.19 | Cairenn | yes |
| 23:05.26 | Cairenn | but that one's really bad |
| 23:05.28 | Thunder_Child | well you even posed for it, so it's not like it's one of mine |
| 23:05.32 | nicoli_s | which of the ladies is you? |
| 23:05.47 | Shadowed | the pictures were kind of random if I remember |
| 23:05.53 | Cairenn | I didn't pose for it, I was eating, someone said my name, I turned to look and *click* |
| 23:05.58 | Shadowed | haha yea |
| 23:06.11 | Cairenn | growls |
| 23:06.16 | Kraps | Cairenn is the redhead right? |
| 23:06.18 | Shadowed | Hey I look worst |
| 23:06.31 | Cairenn | Kraps: yes |
| 23:06.41 | Thunder_Child | looked/posed same diff, it's that or my paparazzi shots |
| 23:06.43 | Lunessa | I don't actually look too bad - http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2009/Misc/Dinner/IMG_1745.jpg.html |
| 23:06.58 | nicoli_s | my coworkers |
| 23:06.59 | nicoli_s | ! |
| 23:07.04 | Kraps | Lunessa: which ones you? |
| 23:07.07 | Shadowed | ckk does not look sufficiently drunk in that picture |
| 23:07.08 | Thunder_Child | the sliver one |
| 23:07.16 | nicoli_s | ill be sure to get ckknight extra drunk this year |
| 23:07.20 | Kraps | wait what |
| 23:07.23 | Lunessa | Yeah, that was before the booze got to the table |
| 23:07.24 | Shadowed | Although maybe the fact that he's not looking at the camera could count as that |
| 23:07.33 | nicoli_s | he got tanked at the last conference i went with him too |
| 23:07.37 | Lunessa | Kraps: I'm the bald guy in green |
| 23:07.40 | Thunder_Child | and we need to find Cairenn a club this year |
| 23:07.44 | Kraps | ah |
| 23:07.46 | Cairenn | YES |
| 23:07.47 | nicoli_s | chad too(the other guy in the pic whos not lunessa) |
| 23:08.06 | Lunessa | Lots of loud music and dancing. |
| 23:08.16 | Thunder_Child | bad for pictures, good for Cairenn |
| 23:08.21 | Lunessa | I'm sunburned in that picture. |
| 23:08.27 | Cairenn | YES CLUB |
| 23:08.29 | Cairenn | DO want! |
| 23:08.41 | nicoli_s | only as long as they got free extemacy |
| 23:08.41 | Shadowed | I expect some hilarity at Blizzcon due to Cairenn |
| 23:08.46 | nicoli_s | like a real club should |
| 23:08.59 | Cairenn | Shadowed: no |
| 23:09.09 | Shadowed | That's what you say now! |
| 23:09.38 | Cairenn | nevah! I am always the model of decorum! |
| 23:09.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 23:09.47 | Shadowed | mmmhmm |
| 23:09.48 | Lunessa | Dancing, lights and booz-ma-hol |
| 23:09.57 | NightHawkTheSane | note she didn't specify exactly what that model was :P |
| 23:10.30 | Thunder_Child | there is a resturant and night club about 1 mile from the center |
| 23:10.38 | Cairenn | DO want! |
| 23:10.41 | Shadowed | She said of decorum :P |
| 23:10.43 | Shadowed | so |
| 23:10.58 | Cairenn | prim & proper, that's me! |
| 23:11.04 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, but good decorum or.. >.> |
| 23:11.21 | Shadowed | Decorum means good :P |
| 23:11.39 | Arrowmaster | wants to goto BlizzCon |
| 23:11.41 | Shadowed | Well, I guess technically you could say it doesn't. but essentially it means proper/good |
| 23:11.41 | Cairenn | I'm a frail flower of feminity |
| 23:11.41 | Kraps | if i may, who else is in the pic? |
| 23:11.48 | Lunessa | It has to be a club that would let the likes of us in the door. |
| 23:11.52 | Shadowed | ~lart Cairenn |
| 23:11.52 | purl | executes killall -HUP Cairenn |
| 23:12.05 | Cairenn | cries |
| 23:12.09 | Lunessa | Kraps: the one with me? CKKnight in the back corner and Chad in the front. |
| 23:12.16 | cog|work | comforts the frail flower |
| 23:12.22 | Cairenn | thanks cog|work |
| 23:12.44 | cog|work | relevantish: http://blog.blowfish.com/culture/sex-discrimination-or-sexual-harassment-pick-one/1256 |
| 23:13.01 | Thunder_Child | maybe http://heatultraloungeoc.com depending on what they have when we go |
| 23:13.20 | cog|work | "It would mean treating women in the workplace as delicate flowers, liable to faint and scream at the mere concept of bats giving fellatio or whateverâ¦" |
| 23:13.47 | Kraps | Lunessa: and the other pic? |
| 23:15.11 | Lunessa | On that one I can only accurately identify KarlKFI (next to Cairenn) and Eric (back corner on the right) and Cairenn |
| 23:15.38 | Lunessa | I didn't meet the other people at that table. |
| 23:16.17 | Cairenn | that's Eric's son & daughter sitting on the same side of the table with him .... I am not 100% positive who is in the back corner, beside KarlKFI |
| 23:16.49 | Cairenn | can't get a good enough look, and it's not like I ever actually sat still for any length of time to figure out who I was sitting with |
| 23:16.55 | KarlKFI|work | my fiance |
| 23:17.05 | Cairenn | I /thought/ so, but wasn't positive |
| 23:17.14 | Cairenn | couldn't remember if she had joined us or not |
| 23:17.37 | Lunessa | To be fair, I'm bad with names and I got introduced to lots of people, and names sort of slid off my brain. |
| 23:17.59 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: rawr |
| 23:17.59 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: a good baseline is http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2008/Faces/Blizzcon2008UIGroupLabeled.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1 |
| 23:18.05 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: what now? |
| 23:18.12 | A-KO | no blizzcon for me this year :/ |
| 23:18.12 | Cairenn | the club you linked :p |
| 23:18.15 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 23:18.22 | Thunder_Child | thought you might like that |
| 23:18.25 | Thunder_Child | close by too |
| 23:18.27 | Lunessa | I have better memories for names of people I went to breakfast with or drank with in the bar. |
| 23:18.36 | Cairenn | just getting to the link now |
| 23:18.46 | Cairenn | and yeah, the fact that it's in the GardenWalk area .... |
| 23:18.53 | Cairenn | that's easily walking distance |
| 23:19.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: drinking and breakfast are the only two times of the day that matter :D |
| 23:19.29 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Well, since I drink pretty much all the time... |
| 23:19.35 | Cairenn | oh, there are others .... |
| 23:19.37 | Kraps | lol @ Shirik |
| 23:19.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: thats how you make your day the most meaningful, imo. ;) |
| 23:19.55 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: lots of people have that reaction |
| 23:19.59 | Thunder_Child | go figure |
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| 23:20.22 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: also http://www.clubplanet.com/Venues/122156/Anaheim/Bravo-Restaurant-and-Night-Club |
| 23:20.33 | Kraps | its the contrast Thunder_Child |
| 23:20.49 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: do want |
| 23:21.05 | Cairenn | hate that I never get to go clubbing while I'm there |
| 23:21.10 | Cairenn | I get to drink, but not to dance |
| 23:21.12 | Cairenn | sucks |
| 23:21.29 | Cairenn | well, other than on my chair during the Ozzy concert |
| 23:22.04 | Thunder_Child | i hope that wont happen again |
| 23:22.12 | Cairenn | oh bite me! |
| 23:22.14 | Lunessa | So... Saturday night has to have clubbing? |
| 23:22.19 | Thunder_Child | ozzy, not the chair |
| 23:22.49 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: okay, you're forgiven |
| 23:23.17 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: that second one you linked is quite a bit further away |
| 23:23.24 | Cairenn | not easily walking distance |
| 23:23.38 | Lunessa | Taxi? |
| 23:24.02 | Cairenn | bah, using up money that's better spent on booze :p |
| 23:24.09 | Cairenn | wallk, buy more drinks |
| 23:24.10 | Thunder_Child | i'll be driving down |
| 23:24.56 | kd3 | yay drinking |
| 23:24.57 | Lunessa | ..... drinks. |
| 23:25.29 | kd3 | sighs some more at still not getting a response from billing |
| 23:26.28 | Cairenn | huggles kd3 |
| 23:28.13 | Lunessa | is starving. |
| 23:28.24 | Cairenn | feeds Lunessa |
| 23:28.34 | Lunessa | gobbles it right up. |
| 23:28.38 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar (~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 23:32.02 | myrkraverk | ~api string.sub |
| 23:32.02 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_string.sub |
| 23:32.24 | myrkraverk | hmm, no |
| 23:32.30 | kd3 | try strsub |
| 23:32.34 | kd3 | that's where it's documented |
| 23:32.47 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_strsub |
| 23:39.02 | Slackwise | Ugh, quick question: any way to find the status of the GCD? |
| 23:39.51 | NightHawkTheSane | guess? you wont be more than .75s off? :P |
| 23:40.09 | Slackwise | :P |
| 23:40.16 | NightHawkTheSane | (not actually correct, but i'm tired, so meh :P) |
| 23:41.30 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: http://help.github.com/dealing-with-lineendings/ this was linked to me in #git while i was trying to help somebody with a crlf issue, i thought i should point out that it is completely wrong on the 'why' part |
| 23:43.50 | Kraps | how much haste lowers the gcd to 1 sec? wowwiki is no help |
| 23:44.31 | Antiarc | You need 33% haste to lower it to 1 sec, I suspect |
| 23:46.08 | Antiarc | No, 50% |
| 23:47.59 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 23:51.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Audible (~jon@cl-339.waw-01.pl.sixxs.net) |
| 23:52.24 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTfxrnuCjdA&feature=popt00us0d |
| 23:59.34 | Torhal | Antiarc: My network keeps dying, so in case you didn't see this before: LibDBIcon puts LDB stuff on the minimap |
