| 00:07.29 | Amarande | dammit, when is the armory/wowhead going to fix the DK runes glitch |
| 00:13.21 | Amarande | hmm |
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| 00:13.45 | Amarande | is there a crafted epic DPS plate belt? I see the holydin and tanking ones on AH, but I don't see a DPS one |
| 00:16.00 | Aeyan | Amarande: http://www.wowhead.com/item=45550 |
| 00:16.24 | Amarande | nice |
| 00:16.32 | Amarande | except for the combo of blue socket and str socket bonus isn't fun :( |
| 00:16.55 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 00:19.36 | Amarande | I'm trying to think if there is anything other than a nightmare tear that can activate a blue socket without sucking badly on a DK |
| 00:19.43 | Amarande | and I don't think so |
| 00:19.49 | Aeyan | Nope. |
| 00:20.01 | Jerub | batbot: http://xkcd.com/652/ |
| 00:20.13 | Amarande | well, there's always the str/stam purple, which isn't *total* crap but it's still -4 str overall on just forgoing the bonus and using a bold cardinal ruby |
| 00:20.36 | Amarande | (after all, have you ever died? yes? then you could probably have benefited from more stamina ... but gemming for it on a nontank is kinda lose) |
| 00:21.40 | Aeyan | Well, you could just as easily argue that you wouldn't have survived with that extra 150 health, hehe. |
| 00:21.45 | Amarande | blue doesn't have anything but stam, spirit, and mp5, right? |
| 00:21.53 | Aeyan | Spell penetration |
| 00:22.02 | Amarande | oh, that silly thing |
| 00:22.19 | Aeyan | More of a PvP thing. |
| 00:22.19 | Amarande | I once cut a spell pen gem in BC in order to get a skill up |
| 00:22.30 | myrkraverk | can an addon draw talk bubbles over ppls head? (Yes I know only those with the addon would be able to see them) |
| 00:22.31 | Amarande | it never sold on AH, and it now still rots in my guild's gbank |
| 00:22.48 | Amarande | myrkraverk: probably in 3.3.3, probably not in 3.3.5 |
| 00:23.06 | myrkraverk | I thought that was only during combat? |
| 00:23.21 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, vendor the sucka :P |
| 00:23.45 | Amarande | Zorba: I can't now, only the GM has authority to do that |
| 00:23.52 | myrkraverk | I'll ask on the interface forums ;-) |
| 00:24.01 | Amarande | vendoring gbank items is one of the few things she won't allow us to do with them :) |
| 00:24.02 | ZorbaTHut | fill the bank with http://www.wowhead.com/item=11409 |
| 00:24.39 | Amarande | zorba: dude, I already feel bad about the fact that the recipe tab is full and has several copies of things like the dark iron rifle schematic |
| 00:24.43 | Amarande | pretty much all of which were found by me :S |
| 00:24.54 | Shirik | --> <-- |
| 00:24.54 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "<--"]:1: unexpected symbol near '<' |
| 00:24.55 | ZorbaTHut | solution: |
| 00:24.57 | ZorbaTHut | bear organs |
| 00:25.03 | myrkraverk | Amarande, can't you give it to a starting pvpist? |
| 00:25.17 | Shirik | batrick, I can make batbot produce an error |
| 00:25.18 | Amarande | myrk: it's not just a spell pen gem |
| 00:25.21 | Amarande | it's a BC spell pen gem |
| 00:25.22 | Amarande | :| |
| 00:25.49 | Amarande | I don't even use BC gems in my 60-70 characters' BC gear |
| 00:25.59 | Amarande | that's why the gods made green Northrend gems |
| 00:26.04 | myrkraverk | I mean, it's better than no spell pen gem, right? |
| 00:26.10 | Amarande | well that's true |
| 00:26.19 | myrkraverk | it takes a bit to farm for the raw gems |
| 00:26.39 | myrkraverk | at least those who can be bought for honor |
| 00:28.07 | Jerub | i got basically no gear upgrades in TBC for my warrior |
| 00:28.13 | Jerub | i think i got 3 blues. |
| 00:28.19 | Amarande | Jerub: you used old world gear through the 60s? |
| 00:28.28 | Jerub | more or less |
| 00:28.30 | ZorbaTHut | myr, sure, but it'd be more worthwhile to jam a green northrend gem in, which is damn near free |
| 00:28.33 | Amarande | you didn't feel awfully squishy? |
| 00:28.40 | myrkraverk | Hm, ok |
| 00:28.41 | Amarande | I can see the other stats being adequate, but your HP must have been really low |
| 00:28.48 | Jerub | Amarande: i cleared MGT last night and got OL dungeonmaster |
| 00:28.59 | myrkraverk | I actually used my frozen shadoweave set well into 80 |
| 00:28.59 | Amarande | Tank or DPS? |
| 00:29.00 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, if I were standing next to an AH about to buy a green NR gem, and someone offered me a BC gem for free, I'd turn them down :P |
| 00:29.02 | Jerub | tank |
| 00:29.13 | Jerub | started at level 69 and dinged while i was there |
| 00:29.14 | myrkraverk | No blue nothrend robe/gear was obviously better |
| 00:29.21 | Amarande | sometimes I even use blue northrend gems in my leveling gear now |
| 00:29.28 | Amarande | since they're not worth using in 80 gear anymore |
| 00:30.01 | myrkraverk | This pretty much sucks imho, that low lever gear gets completely worthless |
| 00:30.23 | Jerub | myrkraverk: worthless = incredibly cheap for poor people |
| 00:30.25 | Jerub | ;) |
| 00:30.39 | myrkraverk | if it'd be used for raw materials in high level stuff it would be worth more, and more would make it |
| 00:30.43 | Jerub | goes to another lap in his gold coin swimming pool |
| 00:37.56 | Amarande | I'm still not sure how I got this one achievement. |
| 00:38.59 | Amarande | how did I get caught in 10 consecutive land mine explosions in the Sparksocket Minefield without landing, anyway? :S |
| 00:39.16 | Amarande | I didn't even follow a guide or such, I just kept getting tossed around while trying to reach the tools and this achievement shows up heh |
| 00:40.16 | Amarande | (or did Blizzard pretty much mean for you to luck into it heh) |
| 00:43.09 | Jerub | Amarande: i think you're supposed to luck into it |
| 00:43.21 | Jerub | Amarande: i couldn't get it by trying |
| 00:43.57 | Amarande | heh, isn't it irritating when things are set up to make it look like you should be able to try to get something and instead you get it by luck or the "dumb" way? |
| 00:44.01 | Amarande | reminds me of FF7 in the temple of the ancients |
| 00:44.11 | Amarande | that room with the stupid U shaped rocks that would keep rolling |
| 00:44.21 | Amarande | and you were somehow *supposed* to use the bottom of the U to help you get past them |
| 00:44.28 | WobWork | there's a short time period allowed between explosions |
| 00:44.40 | Amarande | ... in practice, the solution was just to run right through the area until you got through :P |
| 00:44.43 | WobWork | that can account for moving between mines |
| 00:46.13 | Amarande | <3 oracles dailies |
| 00:46.15 | Amarande | except for one thing |
| 00:47.16 | WobWork | the amount of flying required? |
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| 00:50.51 | Amarande | nah, the fact that you can't loot most of the wolvar because they spawn too fast onto you afterwards |
| 00:53.48 | WobWork | you need to kill them faster |
| 00:53.53 | Jerub | http://hackaday.com/2010/05/25/mass-storage-business-card/ |
| 00:55.28 | WobWork | noice |
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| 01:00.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: thats pretty awesome |
| 01:01.29 | WobWork | http://hypolib.typepad.com/the-hypothetical-library/2010/05/neil.html |
| 01:06.08 | Amarande | ok, that was strange |
| 01:06.26 | Amarande | I just had a HCoS group where one of my teammates' realms was listed as "?" |
| 01:06.28 | Amarande | how does that happen? |
| 01:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | It's offline? |
| 01:07.07 | Lopeppeppy | They recently transferred and something is messed up? |
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| 01:14.41 | Amarande | Peppy: they were there and doing damage |
| 01:14.44 | Amarande | they just didn't have a realm listed |
| 01:15.24 | Amarande | BTW, with trinkets like darkmoon death and the other ones that are "chance when you do damage to add X (element) damage" |
| 01:15.38 | Amarande | if you trigger it with an AoE, are all targets affected or only one random one? |
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| 01:30.10 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/05/chrome-5-released-browser-exits-beta-for-mac-and-linux.ars |
| 01:33.41 | cogwheel | fiskers Shirik around a bit |
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| 01:38.29 | cogwheel | dictionaries should have a verb entry for "verb" ... to use a noun as if it were a verb. e.g. The internet likes to verb things. Google has been verbed. |
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| 01:45.58 | |Jelly| | peppies cogwheel around? |
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| 01:59.23 | Amarande | yay, it's always nice to be able to compliment a new 80 that he's on a great start |
| 01:59.26 | Amarande | :) |
| 01:59.58 | Amarande | also ... ~ 4800 DPS on Loken and I still can't go to H HoR. What a farce Blizzard's gear thing can be sometimes :S |
| 02:00.30 | Amarande | 'course, part of the reason I do so well on Loken is that as a well geared DK, I basically ignore the whole dance thing |
| 02:00.36 | Amarande | especially if there's no other melee DPS |
| 02:01.23 | Amarande | Nova? just pop AMS, it's not like he lives long enough these days to do it twice heh |
| 02:01.49 | Kraps | you still have that blue helmet? |
| 02:02.33 | Amarande | Kraps: unfortunately, for eight more badges |
| 02:02.40 | Kraps | ... |
| 02:02.47 | Amarande | I have 42/50 towards the T9 helm |
| 02:02.55 | Amarande | probably will get it tonight |
| 02:02.59 | Kraps | you wont get into HHoR with that |
| 02:03.05 | Kraps | the blue one |
| 02:03.14 | Amarande | if it doesn't let me in when I get the T9 helm then I'm just going to shake my head |
| 02:03.59 | Amarande | time to hit HPoS (there's a ring and a belt upgrade possible from Ick and Krick) and one more random and I should have 50 |
| 02:04.07 | Amarande | unless I get a two-boss random, anyway |
| 02:05.22 | Amarande | dear god, oblit crits like five times out of six, is it supposed to be that often heh |
| 02:06.54 | alestane | Focus on replacing your worst piece of gear, Amarande, the Blizzard gauge doesn't just work off of total. |
| 02:07.22 | alestane | It also checks things like how far down does your spread go. |
| 02:07.39 | Amarande | I thought Xyphoid discovered it wasn't based on your lowest |
| 02:07.44 | Amarande | but yeah, the helm will probably put me over |
| 02:07.56 | Amarande | if it doesn't I'm really going to start wondering if Blizzard was persuaded by the GS addicts |
| 02:08.14 | Xyphoid | well, i got into HHoR before i had full t9 |
| 02:08.31 | alestane | As far as I can tell it depends on things like whether you have any greens or blues euquipped, etc. |
| 02:08.36 | Xyphoid | but i bought a 200 epic helm |
| 02:08.41 | WobWork | Amarande: what gear have you got? |
| 02:09.05 | Kraps | he has a 187 helm |
| 02:09.07 | alestane | I'm oretty sure that at the very least, any sub-200 blues will lock you out of HHoR...possibly any blues at all. |
| 02:09.12 | Xyphoid | it's likely that the internal weight uses the slot modifiers too |
| 02:09.27 | Xyphoid | and helm/chest/legs are more important than the rest |
| 02:09.46 | WobWork | Amarande: if you're so utterly desperate to get into HHoR, make a group on your server and -walk- in =P |
| 02:09.56 | WobWork | (it's so not worth it =P) |
| 02:10.25 | Dagmar | alestane: Unless they relaxed it, I know people who were in all purples getting told they couldn't queue |
| 02:11.26 | alestane | I don't claim to know the exact particulars. I know I was able to queue for HHoR before I got the [Epic] achievement, but by then I know I also had a few pieces each of 232 and 245 gear. |
| 02:11.53 | alestane | I've queued for HHoR with at least one or two 200 blues equipped. |
| 02:12.36 | Dagmar | It appears to be much less forgiving for tanks |
| 02:13.26 | Xyphoid | that'd be testable - you should be able to get to a point where you check and uncheck the tank button, and HHoR locks and unlocks |
| 02:13.33 | Adys | Did you know: leading zeroes in authenticators are optional |
| 02:13.41 | Xyphoid | you're queuing as DPS amarande? |
| 02:14.02 | Dagmar | adys: That shouldn't actually come as a suprise |
| 02:14.13 | Adys | it's not when you think about it, ofc |
| 02:14.45 | Amarande | Xyphoid: yeah. |
| 02:15.20 | Amarande | c'mon, when are leading zeroes ever mandatory |
| 02:15.29 | Amarande | except for retarded code that treats the number as a string instead of a number |
| 02:15.38 | Amarande | like I've seen in particular in some ordering crap at work |
| 02:15.56 | Amarande | where if the code for something is say "07845" and you type "7845" it'll go "PLESSEY #7845 NOT FOUND" |
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| 02:16.03 | Dagmar | strtol() is rather unimpressed by your leading zeros |
| 02:16.08 | Amarande | (whatever in Mother Night's name a "plessey" is) |
| 02:16.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: A clue that H1B workers were involved |
| 02:17.52 | Dagmar | ...and http://www.mecsw.com/specs/plessey.html |
| 02:19.37 | Xyphoid | heh i had leading zero issues earlier |
| 02:20.11 | Xyphoid | SAP exports from the client zerofilled the sku field, our app has string SKUs |
| 02:21.23 | Amarande | yeah, using a number as a string like that is kind of retarded |
| 02:21.42 | Amarande | unless for some reason you really, truly must have bigger numbers than can conveniently be coded in your platform |
| 02:22.34 | Dagmar | Let's put it this way... you don't go to a college to learn SAP. |
| 02:22.38 | Dagmar | You go to training seminars. |
| 02:22.48 | Xyphoid | well, it usually blows up at system borders - it's why example files are not sufficient documentation for integration heh |
| 02:23.02 | Dagmar | ...but it's not as stupid as BP's spin doctors at least |
| 02:23.10 | Dagmar | BP is *fuu-uucked* |
| 02:24.49 | cogwheel | umm... how can i stop wowwiki from redirecting me off a non-existing page so i can edit it? >< |
| 02:25.32 | Dagmar | If you listen to the night sky very carefully, you can almost hear the faint, far off clank-clank-clank-clank-clank of the guns of CNN, MSNBC, and FOX all being turned towards BP now |
| 02:25.35 | Xyphoid | click on the 'redirected from xxx' bit if it's mediawiki |
| 02:25.53 | cogwheel | it's redirecting me to the search page |
| 02:26.04 | cogwheel | so it doesn't have that |
| 02:26.06 | Dagmar | cogwheel: Take the edit URL for an edit page that does exist and maybe replace the document name |
| 02:26.22 | Xyphoid | are you logged in? |
| 02:26.22 | cogwheel | sighs |
| 02:26.25 | cogwheel | yes |
| 02:26.38 | Xyphoid | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Abcdef&action=edit |
| 02:26.42 | Dagmar | Slap a wiki admin |
| 02:26.52 | cogwheel | slaps kd3 |
| 02:28.20 | Dagmar | I bet that feels a lot better |
| 02:28.44 | Dagmar | So like, oil just washed up all over the coast this weekend |
| 02:29.01 | Dagmar | This is oil that *started* leaking over 30 days ago |
| 02:29.21 | cogwheel | NUKE IT!!!! |
| 02:29.23 | cogwheel | >< |
| 02:29.33 | Dagmar | ...so even if they get lucky and stop the leak entirely tomorrow, there's still 30+ days worth of oil in transit |
| 02:29.51 | Dagmar | The Florida Keys are about to get ruined, I think |
| 02:30.19 | Dagmar | I'm also thinking that 20% of the gulf fisheries being ordered to close is also a bad thing |
| 02:30.29 | Dagmar | ...cuz that number will probably double presently |
| 02:32.03 | Dagmar | ...and while BPs numbers claim only ~5500 barrels of oil a day are leaking out, that's already over *six million gallons* |
| 02:32.11 | cogwheel | DRILL BABY DRILL |
| 02:32.21 | Dagmar | I have yet to see an estimate from someone else that wasn't double that |
| 02:32.43 | cogwheel | i've heard 20-50k barrels |
| 02:32.52 | Dagmar | Yeah that's what I've been hearing |
| 02:33.12 | Dagmar | Some woman at Purdue was saying as high as 80k |
| 02:33.16 | Xyphoid | welcome to the niger delta! |
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| 02:33.57 | Dagmar | What will bend BP over and cornhole them Olympic-style will be when someone gets ahold of the normal amount of oil per day that was pumped from that |
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| 02:34.23 | Dagmar | ...because that far down the reason they drill multiple holes is to let seawater go down there and hurry the oil up and out |
| 02:34.47 | Dagmar | ...so they don't have to actually *pump* nearly as much--it just sort of siphons out in reverse |
| 02:35.11 | kd3 | oh, the stupid 'page not found redirect to special:search' thing? it's a "feature" |
| 02:35.13 | Dagmar | Sell that BP stock. |
| 02:35.15 | kd3 | I hate it too, but we can't turn it off |
| 02:43.22 | mitchnull | didum! |
| 02:43.40 | mitchnull | Rodney> mitch0 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4025308 points, ascended |
| 02:44.05 | Dagmar | Holy crap |
| 02:44.16 | Dagmar | nice |
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| 02:47.16 | mitchnull | phew. now time to sleep :) |
| 02:47.24 | Torhal | What game is this? |
| 02:47.29 | mitchnull | nethack |
| 02:47.30 | Jamash | nethack? |
| 02:47.33 | Jamash | yeah |
| 02:47.36 | Torhal | Ah |
| 02:47.50 | mitchnull | telnet nethack.alt.org :) |
| 02:48.14 | Arrowmaster | oh god dont tempt me |
| 02:48.25 | Arrowmaster | i got addicted to nethack once |
| 02:48.37 | Jamash | nethack doesn't tempt me |
| 02:48.45 | Jamash | dwarf fortress, on the other hand... |
| 02:49.07 | Arrowmaster | i didnt really know how to play though so ive never gotten past the gnomish mines |
| 02:50.04 | Xyphoid | i want to ascend a wizard - keep dying stupidly with them |
| 02:50.36 | Kraps | Is Knaak really as bad as people say he is? i'm quite enjoying Day of the Dragon |
| 02:51.00 | A-KO | Kraps: I think the people criticizing it tend to be hardcore book nuts, I generally like his books |
| 02:51.04 | A-KO | I'm not a huge book fan though |
| 02:51.07 | A-KO | I don't have high expectations |
| 02:51.21 | A-KO | the last book series I read for pleasure was Goosebumps...so....you get an idea of the time frame difference there.. |
| 02:51.55 | A-KO | overall, Day of the Dragon, Night of the Dragon, War of the Ancients, and Stormrage were all good |
| 02:52.02 | WobWork | hehe Stine |
| 02:52.32 | Jamash | What about Dawn of the Dragon and Land of the Dragon? |
| 02:53.04 | WobWork | hm |
| 02:56.09 | Jamash | also, book tie-ins always suck, just like no girls on the internet |
| 02:56.38 | WobWork | sometimes the books are worse than the movies |
| 02:56.49 | Kraps | Rise of the Lich King was great |
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| 02:58.42 | Kraps | thats by Golden |
| 02:59.02 | Thunder_Child | ~wowalert |
| 02:59.17 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 02:59.38 | Thunder_Child | guess someone tripped over a plug |
| 02:59.43 | Kraps | its only 11:00 |
| 02:59.51 | Thunder_Child | huh? |
| 03:00.03 | Kraps | not you |
| 03:01.08 | Amarande | great, wiping in H PoS |
| 03:01.17 | Amarande | and even though it's probably the 29k tank's undergearedness's fault |
| 03:01.29 | Amarande | I'm the one who risks a vote kick each wipe because I don't know how to get to the damn instance portal |
| 03:01.37 | Amarande | even if my ghost flies to it, I can't see how high or low to go |
| 03:01.45 | Xyphoid | ... |
| 03:01.50 | Amarande | (plus ICC itself seems to be so blindingly bright as a ghost that you can't really find anything) |
| 03:02.00 | Thunder_Child | you can turn that off you know |
| 03:02.05 | Dagmar | Turn off bloom |
| 03:02.06 | Thunder_Child | the 'ghost effect' |
| 03:02.33 | Amarande | or were the ICC5 instances kinda designed that they expected you to give up if you wiped? |
| 03:02.49 | Thunder_Child | i dont have any problem getting back in |
| 03:02.50 | Xyphoid | i think they expected you to find the entrance |
| 03:03.01 | Xyphoid | it's not that well hidden |
| 03:03.27 | Thunder_Child | besides, after you go in there once, you should be able to get back |
| 03:05.00 | Amarande | T_C: I've only ever come to PoS through the DF, haven't quested Icecrown in AGES, and don't know exactly where on this giant superstructure the portals are |
| 03:05.09 | Amarande | I found one portal that *wasn't* PoS, but none of the others |
| 03:05.24 | Thunder_Child | when you are looking at ICC it's on the right side of the spire |
| 03:05.28 | Thunder_Child | 2nd level |
| 03:05.29 | Amarande | (and in fact I can't tell whether that was FoS/HoR or ICC10/25 portal I found, because you can't tell color when you're dead) |
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| 03:06.24 | Thunder_Child | ICC is in the main ent and only has one portal, the other ones are not through the main ent and have 3 portals |
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| 03:08.01 | Kraps | i got BSODed |
| 03:08.10 | Thunder_Child | lol? |
| 03:08.40 | Kraps | no |
| 03:08.45 | Kraps | not lol |
| 03:09.04 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, it does kinda seem like lol |
| 03:09.17 | Kraps | stfu |
| 03:14.21 | tem | oh fun |
| 03:14.28 | tem | I have 60k unbuffed hp in ICC |
| 03:14.39 | tem | I wonder what that puts me to when buffed |
| 03:15.18 | tem | also, http://www.zreomusic.com/2009/12/25/ocarina-of-time is fucking awesome |
| 03:20.23 | Amarande | Yeesh, 23g repair bill. |
| 03:20.51 | Amarande | ok, one more heroic to get T9 helm |
| 03:20.54 | Amarande | unless it's one of the two-boss ones |
| 03:21.01 | Amarande | or halls of stone because no one EVER does the rock guy or maiden anymore it seems |
| 03:21.17 | Amarande | maiden I can understand, because maiden has at least one FUCK U PLAYER deathtrap |
| 03:21.23 | Amarande | but why not the rock guy :S |
| 03:21.46 | Amarande | (maiden's trap being ... and yeah I had this happen to me once ... void zone spawns with you right in the middle while you don't have enough HP left to survive to get out and AMS is on CD ...) |
| 03:21.52 | Xyphoid | it takes time, and we're just there for frost badges |
| 03:22.02 | Amarande | people don't care about triumph anymore? :| |
| 03:22.43 | Xyphoid | well, finishing heroics gives you bonus badges |
| 03:23.07 | Xyphoid | so given an hour of play, you can get more badges if you skip as much as possible per heroic |
| 03:23.53 | Adys | kd3, nevcairiel, ... any winer? |
| 03:23.55 | Amarande | frosts I pretty much can't use for another month or so |
| 03:24.04 | kd3 | hm |
| 03:24.05 | Amarande | seeing as the good stuff all costs 60 or so |
| 03:24.07 | Xyphoid | i mean, if we don't do maiden and rock guy, i might be able to finish a whole other AN run for 3+2 badges instead of 2 badges |
| 03:24.08 | kd3 | oh, no, no reg hacks here |
| 03:24.15 | Adys | kd3: whats your window manager? |
| 03:24.19 | kd3 | xfwm4 |
| 03:24.26 | Adys | kd3: are you able to move the launcher? |
| 03:24.38 | Adys | without using shift-click or anything |
| 03:24.38 | kd3 | sec |
| 03:24.45 | Amarande | why did I keep confusing the names of HoS maiden and Kara maiden, anyway :S |
| 03:25.35 | Amarande | actually, occasionally they do maiden |
| 03:25.42 | Amarande | I think I got voided that one time too heh |
| 03:25.46 | Amarande | rock guy seems to be ignored tho |
| 03:25.53 | kd3 | sure, though I'm using the vdesktop |
| 03:25.54 | Amarande | speaking of "voided" |
| 03:26.03 | Amarande | think they'll ever have bosses that do something like the x-zone thing in FF12? |
| 03:26.16 | Adys | kd3: ok, thank |
| 03:26.18 | Adys | s* |
| 03:26.29 | Amarande | i.e., you're not dead, but you're ejected from battle, and you can't come back till it's over |
| 03:27.03 | Amarande | could be done I suppose by teleporting the player somewhere inescapable and giving them a red stun that's bubbleproof and lasts till boss dies or resets |
| 03:28.09 | Xyphoid | doomwalker had that |
| 03:28.22 | Amarande | Xyphoid: that actually killed you and kept you from rezzing |
| 03:28.31 | Amarande | this one would be a bit more merciful in a way, no repair bill heh |
| 03:28.45 | Amarande | also no post-wipe timer |
| 03:34.02 | Torhal | Why does this not fill me with confidence?: /var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r2/work/gcc-4.4.3/gcc/protoize.c:3976: warning: request for implicit conversion from âvoid *â to âchar *â not permitted in C++ |
| 03:34.04 | Amarande | oh great, lag |
| 03:34.07 | Amarande | time to relog |
| 03:34.09 | Torhal | Several times... |
| 03:36.20 | Amarande | WTF |
| 03:36.22 | Amarande | I can't logout |
| 03:36.28 | Amarande | is now known as Tsukasa |
| 03:38.20 | Trela | Just kill it. |
| 03:38.42 | Amarande | say, when you alt-f4, are savedvariables saved, or are they dropped like when you crash? |
| 03:39.14 | Torhal | Dropped |
| 03:39.22 | Torhal | ALT-F4 kills the process without prejudice. |
| 03:39.29 | Torhal | KerPLOW |
| 03:40.31 | Xyphoid | woo 20% ICC buff |
| 03:40.37 | Xyphoid | we'll be able to get past deathwhisper now! |
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| 03:41.08 | Thunder_Child | you hope |
| 03:41.41 | Xyphoid | i'm full of hope! |
| 03:44.15 | Thunder_Child | i'm full of BS |
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| 03:47.20 | Trela | WTF moment. CPU usage: Firefox, 30%. World of Warcraft, 15%. |
| 03:48.49 | Kraps | Torhal: BSODs too |
| 03:52.54 | Adys | kd3: whats your offscreen rendering method? |
| 03:53.08 | kd3 | whatever the default is |
| 03:53.16 | Adys | the default used to be different |
| 03:53.47 | kd3 | fbo |
| 03:53.54 | Adys | hm |
| 03:54.39 | Adys | kd3: henri thinks its a driver bug, for the record |
| 03:56.31 | kd3 | ponders |
| 03:57.16 | frontendloader | Amarande: idk if anyone said it yet, but theres already several fights like that |
| 03:57.27 | frontendloader | lich king heroic for one |
| 04:00.26 | Torhal | Trela: Flash rules! |
| 04:00.28 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:00.58 | Trela | Yep. |
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| 04:06.40 | Kraps | Shirik: |
| 04:06.46 | Shirik | Kraps: |
| 04:06.49 | Kraps | Hersfold resigned from the Arbitration Committee. |
| 04:07.07 | Shirik | wat |
| 04:07.13 | Shirik | why |
| 04:07.15 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&curid=21090364&diff=361823604&oldid=361571831 |
| 04:07.41 | Shirik | ew :( |
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| 04:08.07 | Shirik | but I don't blame him; arbcom would tire anyone out |
| 04:08.14 | Shirik | I don't know how some of them do it year after yeat |
| 04:08.22 | kd3 | they are weird |
| 04:08.24 | kd3 | capital W |
| 04:09.12 | Jerub | okay, i have a conundrum. |
| 04:09.14 | Shirik | I have people telling me I should run for CU next round |
| 04:09.21 | Jerub | do i stop xp at level 70, and do all the OL heroics? |
| 04:09.29 | Jerub | or do i just go on to nr dungeons? |
| 04:10.30 | Xyphoid | can you get an OL heroic from LFD if people don't have the keys for it? |
| 04:11.08 | Jerub | Xyphoid: no. |
| 04:11.10 | Adys | Sixen: ping |
| 04:11.38 | Jerub | i'm just thinking about if i do the totally completionist "play the game all the way through" thing |
| 04:11.50 | Corrodias2 | i have never had such trouble with ebayers before. of course, the last time i heavily used ebay was 6 years ago, but have manners completely disappeared? half of these people didn't enter shipping info and half didn't leave me any feedback yet. |
| 04:12.30 | Kraps | Corrodias2: its all the casuals ruining it |
| 04:12.53 | NightHawkTheSane | can you programatically ping the minimap? |
| 04:12.59 | Kraps | Jerub: you can do that at 80 too y'know |
| 04:13.02 | Dagmar | Corrodias: They're probably waiting to see if what you sold them is broken before putting in a review |
| 04:13.15 | Corrodias2 | heheh, casuals |
| 04:13.26 | Dagmar | Corrodias: I'm currently "cooling off" a bit so I don't type a bunch of obscenities into the text field on my last purchase |
| 04:13.29 | Corrodias2 | these are the sellers. i'm used to getting feedback immediately from this. |
| 04:13.31 | Jerub | Kraps: running old world dungeons at 80 is totally the opposite of what i'm doing. |
| 04:13.39 | Dagmar | I paid $34 for 3-day shipping. They sent it ground. |
| 04:13.56 | Kraps | lol Dagmar |
| 04:14.00 | Corrodias2 | oh my. you can file a complaint for shipping inflation. |
| 04:14.07 | Jerub | Kraps: i just got OL Dungeonmaster at 70 |
| 04:14.10 | Dagmar | Then they told me that they'd gotten Fed-Ex to change the shipping from ground to air (which is impossible) |
| 04:14.14 | Jerub | i got classic dungeonmaster at 60. |
| 04:14.20 | Jerub | (maybe it was 61) |
| 04:14.23 | Shadowed | ~lart Cairenn |
| 04:14.23 | purl | hooks into a hydrant and hoses Cairenn down |
| 04:14.25 | Adys | Cairenn: ping? :( |
| 04:14.30 | Sixen | Ayds: pong |
| 04:14.30 | Cairenn | Adys: ? |
| 04:14.31 | Dagmar | ...and now they're making up stuff about how they "refunded" my extra shipping costs to Paypal |
| 04:14.38 | Adys | Cairenn: s'ok sixen will help :) |
| 04:14.42 | Sixen | =) |
| 04:14.43 | Cairenn | ~lart Shadowed |
| 04:14.43 | purl | whips out his power stapler and staples Shadowed's foot to the floor |
| 04:14.45 | Cairenn | k |
| 04:14.45 | Dagmar | ...so... I would like to put a flaming bag of poop into the text box. |
| 04:14.50 | Sixen | He likes me more, Cairenn. |
| 04:14.51 | Sixen | Hai2u, btw. |
| 04:14.55 | Cairenn | hi Sixen |
| 04:14.55 | Adys | Oh yeah, I do |
| 04:14.58 | Cairenn | that's fine :p |
| 04:15.00 | Sixen | :P |
| 04:15.12 | Kraps | Jerub: nice |
| 04:15.36 | Jerub | (7 days played too ;) |
| 04:17.13 | Duman | hmm |
| 04:21.07 | Kraps | thats a lot |
| 04:22.56 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6qEQ-KnitQ&feature=popular |
| 04:31.01 | Kraps | why cant i have Red Dead Redemption on pc? |
| 04:32.05 | Dagmar | Kraps: Because clearly, PC users are dirty, filthy pirates |
| 04:32.41 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.56 | Dagmar | You don't have a PS3? |
| 04:33.03 | Kraps | no |
| 04:33.13 | Dagmar | I'll probably cave in and get it for the PS3 later this week |
| 04:33.39 | Dagmar | I had no problem flipping my copy of FF XIII on Craiglist last week |
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| 04:42.43 | Amarande | say, does the x-53 go to all your characters when you successfully RaF or do you have to pick just one? |
| 04:43.31 | Dagmar | I would assume the same rules as applied to the Zhevra |
| 04:44.15 | Dagmar | The more important thing I'd like to know is, does your passenger get a complimentary parachute or not |
| 04:44.43 | Amarande | wait, you mean if you get dazed on the x-53 you get to give both of you a repair bill? :D |
| 04:45.02 | Amarande | (btw, can you get dazed off a mount if you're not the driver?) |
| 04:45.15 | Dagmar | No. |
| 04:45.26 | Dagmar | ...at least, I know you can't on the mechano-hog. |
| 04:45.41 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm foggy on what applied to the Zhevra |
| 04:45.44 | Amarande | I'll have to look at the FAQ |
| 04:45.48 | Dagmar | I might as well have a sidecar full of hot bacon sometimes when I tote people around |
| 04:46.03 | Dagmar | ...and I've actually gotten someone eaten right out of the sidecar befor |
| 04:46.33 | Amarande | well, yeah |
| 04:46.35 | Amarande | you can die as a passenger |
| 04:46.42 | Amarande | also pull incredible aggro if you're lower level than the driver lol |
| 04:46.46 | Dagmar | Oh yes. :) |
| 04:47.35 | pirate_ | hmmm |
| 04:48.49 | Amarande | I still remember trying to ride my mammoth with 68 in tow to the battle area in BM on an 80 |
| 04:48.55 | Amarande | and like every spider in the instance woke up |
| 04:49.00 | Amarande | that didn't end well |
| 04:49.00 | Amarande | heh |
| 04:49.42 | Jerub | there was a dude with a level 1 who had the explorer tabbard on our server |
| 04:50.15 | Kraps | This years miss usa is an arab |
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| 04:50.25 | Kraps | somehow thats a big deal |
| 04:50.49 | Amarande | aw, you gotta refer one for each character to get a mount |
| 04:50.57 | Amarande | Jerub: wow |
| 04:51.03 | Amarande | what I want to know is how that's *done* |
| 04:51.16 | Amarande | see, I can't see it being impossible to do with a level 1, there's tricks for icecrown |
| 04:51.17 | Amarande | but |
| 04:51.24 | Amarande | what I can't wrap around is how he managed to do it without dinging |
| 04:51.40 | Amarande | mailing 10g to turn off xp can't be it, because I don't think any character can get from start to Org or SW without dinging 2 |
| 04:51.41 | Jerub | slaps Amarande |
| 04:52.08 | Jerub | Amarande: use the summoining stone in RFC or Stockades |
| 04:52.12 | Jerub | then turn off xp |
| 04:52.19 | Jerub | or, do what hundreds of bank alts do, and corpse run |
| 04:52.28 | Amarande | also |
| 04:52.32 | Corrodias2 | so they finally implemented turning off experience gains? |
| 04:52.33 | Amarande | the xp turnoff character is stealthed |
| 04:52.39 | Amarande | are you sure you can even see it that much below its level? |
| 04:52.41 | Corrodias2 | i bet there was much rejoicing |
| 04:52.42 | Xyphoid | he's a friendly though |
| 04:52.47 | Adys | Amarande: its just a stealth effect |
| 04:52.49 | Adys | hes not stealthed |
| 04:52.57 | Jerub | Corrodias2: yes, if you do it, you're sent to different battlegrounds |
| 04:53.21 | Amarande | Corrodias: the main reason I can see it being useful besides BG twinks (where it's not all THAT useful because if there aren't enough twinks in your bracket your queue literally NEVER pops) |
| 04:53.43 | Amarande | is to lock at 60 for classic raiding, or at 70 for BC raiding or to get BC reps for crafting reasons without dinging too far ahead to queue for the dungeons anymore |
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| 04:55.47 | Xyphoid | also you can turn xp off for dungeoning to gear up, then xp back on for battlegrounds |
| 04:56.27 | Amarande | I suppose dungeon completionists might lock at 52 or 53 for Sunken Temple |
| 04:56.40 | Amarande | because that dungeon basically got fucked when it came to quest viability post 2.3 |
| 04:57.00 | Amarande | they nerfed it so much, like 10+ levels |
| 04:57.15 | Amarande | but the quest levels didn't get adjusted correspondingly ... so you've virtually passed it out before you can even get the quests |
| 04:57.49 | Amarande | most of them got downgraded maybe 4, 5 levels or so |
| 04:57.54 | Amarande | ST went from 54-60 to 44-50 |
| 04:58.21 | Amarande | it's such that as it is by the time it's viable to get the quests, you're fighting gray mobs in the beginning |
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| 05:00.02 | pirate_ | ok, I'm having a math related brain fart |
| 05:00.25 | pirate_ | if I know how much xp I'm making an hour and I know how much XP I have left until I level up, how do I figure out how long it'll take me to level up? |
| 05:01.59 | Xyphoid | divide xp left by xp per hour |
| 05:02.13 | Xyphoid | 1000 xp, 10 xp per hour, 1000/10 = 100 hours |
| 05:02.51 | pirate_ | thanks |
| 05:11.31 | pirate_ | Well, good news and bad news |
| 05:11.34 | DWSR | Any blood DK tanks? |
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| 05:12.24 | pirate_ | good news my addon does nearly everything I want it to do as far as collecting data goes |
| 05:13.01 | pirate_ | It displays your current xp, how much xp you have to get to level up, what percentage of completion that is, how many bars that is using the default xp bar system... |
| 05:13.26 | pirate_ | then I try to calculate how much xp you are earning an hour, what percentage of completion that is an hour, how many bars it is an hour, and how long it'll take you to level up |
| 05:13.44 | pirate_ | the bad news? I'm not sure my xp per hour is working properly |
| 05:14.39 | Amarande | DWSR: that sounded awfully random ... what about blood DK tanks? |
| 05:14.43 | Amarande | or was that meant to go to /2 |
| 05:15.54 | DWSR | No. |
| 05:16.06 | DWSR | I'm having threat issues now, only after the 20% ICC buff. |
| 05:16.12 | DWSR | I was fine at 15%, but now I'm having threat issues. |
| 05:16.17 | DWSR | It's only with the other tank, so I'm not worried, but still. |
| 05:17.39 | Amarande | hmm, is the "causes extra threat" threat being buffed along with the damage? |
| 05:17.53 | DWSR | "causes extra threat" is based on the damage of the attack, so yes. |
| 05:17.54 | Amarande | I'm foggy on how that's calculated |
| 05:18.15 | Amarande | maybe you need to find room for another DPS piece or two in order to bring up your damage? |
| 05:18.23 | Amarande | if you can, anyway |
| 05:18.31 | DWSR | I'm ignoring any further advice. |
| 05:18.37 | DWSR | from you |
| 05:18.46 | DWSR | Because "DPS piece" in a heroic ICC = death. |
| 05:19.27 | Amarande | If I wasn't all the way out in the middle of nowhere in Stormpeaks, I'd go back to Dalaran and see what /2 has to say |
| 05:20.24 | Amarande | And speaking of stormpeaks, phased herb ninja'ing is disconcerting any way you slice it. :| |
| 05:21.38 | Amarande | Ever have your resource node just be GONE, with no sign of any other players in the area? |
| 05:21.57 | Amarande | "oh cool, lichbloom" *land* "wtf where did it go?" |
| 05:26.19 | Amarande | sounds like it's a good thing LK is reaching its end |
| 05:27.27 | Amarande | because it sounds like there's a limit to how hard you can stretch raid content until you reach a point where it's just not possible to go any further |
| 05:27.46 | Dashkal | All the time in IC |
| 05:27.53 | Amarande | H-ICC looks like it ... that point where every piece of tank gear has to be so dedicated to survival that there is no room for damage oriented stats to boost threat |
| 05:28.01 | Amarande | which is probably why tanking is starting to falter with the buffs |
| 05:28.37 | Amarande | otherwise, if you kept going at 80 for another few raids, eventually you'd hit a point where the raids just *needed* that level of damage output and gear would be provided accordingly and probably hit the same scaling problem |
| 05:28.44 | Jerub | amazing |
| 05:29.00 | Jerub | tanking's fine. he's just complaining that he's having trouble keeping pace with threat on the /other tank/ |
| 05:31.30 | DWSR | ^ |
| 05:31.35 | DWSR | And not really complaining. |
| 05:31.40 | DWSR | atm, I'm missing sunder. |
| 05:31.48 | DWSR | So I'm thinking that that's partly to blame for my low threat. |
| 05:32.12 | Jerub | DWSR: i had all sorts of idiotic things happen in the threatswap fights in toc10/25 with undergeared tanks, so i know how it is. |
| 05:32.15 | DWSR | However, I think that the 20% buff is helping paladins and warriors more than DKs, mostly because I don't dodge or parry more in the buff. |
| 05:32.18 | Jerub | i was the 'other' tank |
| 05:32.28 | Jerub | had to actually turn off auto attack to stop pulling threat back |
| 05:32.35 | DWSR | Jerub: Normally he can't hold threat from me. Now it's sort of the other way around. |
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| 05:35.10 | WobWork | oh blood tank |
| 05:35.12 | DWSR | So I'm wondering 1) If anyone else has experienced this and 2) If it's only to do with missing Sunder. |
| 05:35.17 | WobWork | wait warrior? |
| 05:35.20 | WobWork | or dk |
| 05:35.22 | DWSR | DK. |
| 05:35.25 | WobWork | kk |
| 05:35.30 | DWSR | Warriors don't have a blood tree. |
| 05:35.33 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:35.37 | WobWork | but you were 'missing' sunder |
| 05:36.20 | Jerub | it was 20 minutes ago you mentioned blood ;) |
| 05:36.50 | Amarande | And it's heroic ICC, so the usual solution would just turn him into ground beef in .5 flat |
| 05:38.03 | Amarande | From what I've read about tanking, a common strategy when having trouble holding threat is to replace what survival gear you can get away with with DPS gear, so you do more damage and thus more threat from the same abilities over the same amount of time |
| 05:38.14 | Amarande | however, heroic ICC apparently doesn't allow room for such luxuries |
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| 05:40.08 | Amarande | (and I presume it doesn't allow room for the other tank or the DPS to hold back in order to keep things in line, either ...) |
| 05:40.10 | MoonWitch | goodmorning |
| 05:40.16 | DWSR | WobWork: Anyway, yeah, I'm missing a sunder and a bunch of my damage is physical. |
| 05:41.46 | Amarande | DWSR: I'd say ArPen but you might either a) be capped already, or b) probably can't afford the loss of stamina/avoidance |
| 05:41.48 | DWSR | Amarande: Not for things like heroic LDB |
| 05:41.54 | DWSR | Second option. |
| 05:42.13 | Amarande | can you at least use a DPS weapon, and tanking armor or is even that too much to give up? |
| 05:42.28 | DWSR | .......................................................................................... |
| 05:42.36 | DWSR | Amarande, do you have any idea about how a DK tanks? |
| 05:43.05 | Jerub | Amarande: how can you /possibly/ be capped for ArP as a tank? |
| 05:43.06 | Amarande | DWSR: not really. you're talking to the guy who got kicked from regular UK for failing at tanking and has been DPS ever since :) |
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| 05:43.10 | |Jelly| | DW Tank, I assume (from previous conversations)? |
| 05:43.23 | Amarande | DWSR: is shadowmourne an option? |
| 05:43.27 | DWSR | |Jelly|: Normally yes, but not what I'm talking about atm. atm I'm talking about Blood. |
| 05:43.34 | |Jelly| | Ahh |
| 05:43.38 | DWSR | Amarande: No. My guild isn't clearing 25m yet. |
| 05:43.53 | Amarande | armory? |
| 05:43.54 | DWSR | http://elitistarmory.com/US/Emerald%20Dream/Arelin <-- Amarande, DK tanks use 2h str weapons and tank plate. |
| 05:44.49 | Amarande | Any 264+ weaps you have a chance at in the near future? |
| 05:44.57 | Amarande | sounds like a weapon upgrade might be the best thing |
| 05:44.57 | MoonWitch | pfft. even irc is slow on edge |
| 05:45.04 | DWSR | Not really. |
| 05:45.14 | DWSR | A weapon upgrade won't help my threat across the board. |
| 05:45.23 | DWSR | Need strength. |
| 05:45.35 | DWSR | The problem is, though, that I'm not having problems except in ICC with that tank. |
| 05:45.39 | DWSR | And only since the 20% buff. |
| 05:45.56 | DWSR | He and I haven't changed any gear/talents/glyphs since last weke. |
| 05:45.57 | DWSR | week* |
| 05:46.31 | NightHawkTheSane | moooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 05:47.13 | MoonWitch | hey nighthawk |
| 05:47.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hey MoonWitch |
| 05:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | you know what i love about raid nights? |
| 05:47.27 | |Jelly| | Hmm -- I can't speak from your experience (your gear looks solid, IMO; I don't know what I would change to help threat except maybe LOL2%) but I can say that tonight, I was rocking our prot paladin as 2h frost. |
| 05:47.30 | MoonWitch | nope |
| 05:47.31 | Amarande | okay, it's definitely wowhead that's bugged |
| 05:47.44 | Amarande | since I just looked me up on elitist armory, and noticed the glitch that's in the wowhead profiles isn't in EA's |
| 05:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | the 2-3 shots of crown royale, and the 4-6 shots of tequlia i've had tongith :D |
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| 05:48.18 | Amarande | DWSR: how badly would your survivability fall if you replaced just the stam gems in your weapon with bold cardinals? |
| 05:48.25 | DWSR | A lot. |
| 05:48.30 | MoonWitch | lol. i like your raid nights. Im on my way to work sadly |
| 05:48.31 | Amarande | I'm not sure how much "real" HP a stam gem grants to a blood DK |
| 05:48.34 | |Jelly| | Like 650hp |
| 05:48.37 | NightHawkTheSane | awww... i'm sorry :( |
| 05:48.42 | DWSR | What Jelly said. |
| 05:48.48 | DWSR | http://www.wowwiki.com/Stamina |
| 05:48.52 | NightHawkTheSane | dude, no amount of threat is generally worth the loss of stam from swapping ems |
| 05:48.53 | Amarande | so 1.2k hp for 40 str, then |
| 05:48.57 | Amarande | 1.2k seems a little bit low |
| 05:48.57 | MoonWitch | meh, its life |
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| 05:49.10 | DWSR | 12.6 health per stamina. |
| 05:49.16 | Amarande | unless ICC heroic really does give you hits that go straight from full to 1% in a trice |
| 05:49.19 | DWSR | That's before the buff. |
| 05:49.19 | |Jelly| | lol ... trade all stam gems for bold and be all "ZOMG! HEAL MOAR BADS!" |
| 05:49.23 | DWSR | ^ |
| 05:49.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^^ |
| 05:49.53 | Amarande | basically ... is ICC heroic such that the healers have to basically be in the boss's brain and know exactly when each hit will land mojo? |
| 05:49.59 | |Jelly| | Yeah ... ICC doesn't screw around as far as smashing your tank goes. |
| 05:50.03 | NightHawkTheSane | my answer to threat problems: wait 10 more seconds before dpsing, losers. |
| 05:50.03 | Amarande | down to every auto attack hit, even? |
| 05:50.19 | NightHawkTheSane | nah |
| 05:50.25 | DWSR | Depends on the fight. |
| 05:50.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i've never had any real issues with healing any icc heroic |
| 05:50.37 | Amarande | I'd think people would quit healing if you had to time autoattacks :S |
| 05:50.49 | DWSR | Not really auto-attacks, but some bosses have specials that go off often enough that they might as well be auto-attacks. |
| 05:50.56 | DWSR | Anyway, I can't sacrifice survivability at this point. |
| 05:51.01 | NightHawkTheSane | the first boss of HHOR is tricky, occasionally, if the dps is kinda slow, and i have to heal too long |
| 05:51.02 | DWSR | I need to somehow increase my TPS. |
| 05:51.07 | Amarande | DWSR: this might be going out on a limb but ... do PvP pieces have more stamina still than tank pieces, or are they in-between DPS and tank? |
| 05:51.09 | NightHawkTheSane | (the stacking heal debuff blows) |
| 05:51.14 | DWSR | NHTS: We're talking about the raid. |
| 05:51.17 | Amarande | or strength |
| 05:51.20 | Amarande | or something that might help you |
| 05:51.25 | DWSR | Amarande: They have significantly less, plus I'm losing dodge and parry. |
| 05:51.28 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: oh, well i never have issues healing in the icc raid |
| 05:51.28 | Jerub | NHTS: I've never had trouble with the HOR first 2 bosses |
| 05:51.36 | WobWork | NHTS: Oh I hate that debuff |
| 05:51.38 | |Jelly| | DWSR: I know the solution! DW Blood! kek? :P |
| 05:51.44 | DWSR | lol |
| 05:51.46 | Amarande | Night: ... ahh yes the 40% heal nerf |
| 05:51.52 | Jerub | NHTS: by the time i got there, my tank was already pulling 3k dps, so he went down like a sack of spud |
| 05:52.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: i haven't the most recent times i've done it, but once in a while i get groups that are slow on dps, and a tank taht doesn't QUITE have the survivability, so it gets rough |
| 05:52.04 | NightHawkTheSane | but it's kinda rare. |
| 05:52.13 | WobWork | Jerub: you haven't had problems healing or tanking that boss? |
| 05:52.24 | Amarande | I am seriously tempted to build a tanking set once I have my DPS set put together |
| 05:52.34 | WobWork | Amarande: you should have gone the other way |
| 05:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | also, vaguely related: I fucking LOVE 130k healing wave crits on dreamwalker |
| 05:52.42 | WobWork | it's harder to tank than dps |
| 05:52.55 | WobWork | and people are slightly more forgiving about tanks at earlier levels |
| 05:53.05 | DWSR | WobWork: loluwt? |
| 05:53.08 | DWSR | lolwut* |
| 05:53.09 | WobWork | -slightly- |
| 05:53.10 | |Jelly| | I don't know ... HB + HB Glyph + BB = LULZ tanking |
| 05:53.10 | DWSR | No they're not. |
| 05:53.16 | DWSR | ^^^^ |
| 05:53.23 | Amarande | DWSR: exactly ... if they were, I wouldn't have been booted from regular UK for slowing the group down |
| 05:53.24 | DWSR | Frost is such a fucking joke in order to be able to tank with. |
| 05:53.24 | Jerub | WobWork: no, the waves are always much harder than the boss |
| 05:53.32 | WobWork | DWSR: oh, so you never ever noticed the "POW You're 80, lol nub tank" effect? |
| 05:53.38 | DWSR | No. |
| 05:53.42 | Amarande | especially since I was at least good enough to make it to Keleseth |
| 05:53.46 | DWSR | I was prostar the moment I walked in. |
| 05:53.48 | Amarande | and tank him |
| 05:53.52 | DWSR | l2cycle CDs. |
| 05:53.54 | Amarande | then again, a sack of spud can tank keleseth |
| 05:53.55 | WobWork | DWSR: where the hell have you been? On a private server? =P |
| 05:53.58 | |Jelly| | Shit yeah. prostar! |
| 05:53.59 | DWSR | No. |
| 05:54.01 | WobWork | clearly =P |
| 05:54.10 | DWSR | You just have to work around your limitations. |
| 05:54.17 | WobWork | Everyone knows that you should have full T10 once you hit 80 |
| 05:54.19 | Amarande | not to mention keleseth is really not a very non-pushovery type boss |
| 05:54.21 | WobWork | otherwise you're a scrub |
| 05:54.21 | NightHawkTheSane | skill > gear, yo |
| 05:54.25 | DWSR | ^ |
| 05:54.31 | |Jelly| | GS = Skill |
| 05:54.34 | |Jelly| | Duh. |
| 05:54.34 | WobWork | ^ |
| 05:54.42 | Amarande | "hi there. I cast shadow bolt and occasionally I freeze people with an easily removed iceblock. I suck. I also sparkle like twilight vampires, so I suck more." |
| 05:54.43 | DWSR | If you know how to properly tank, then you can easily outplay people's expectations. |
| 05:54.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: o_0 no, keseleth is basically ez-mode |
| 05:54.59 | DWSR | Amarande: Triple negative fail. |
| 05:55.11 | DWSR | I tanked heroics without meeting dcap. |
| 05:55.12 | |Jelly| | s/basically/exactly/ |
| 05:55.26 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: well yes, but i'm working on being nicer :) |
| 05:55.30 | |Jelly| | hehe |
| 05:55.35 | DWSR | And I had people tell me that I was a good tank. |
| 05:55.45 | DWSR | And healers were like "dude, you're not that bad to heal" |
| 05:55.46 | Amarande | anyway, actually there's one reason I'm glad I started as DPS |
| 05:55.53 | WobWork | in any case |
| 05:55.57 | Amarande | and that's because I've been running queue heroics concurrently with questing the zones in NR |
| 05:55.58 | |Jelly| | long queues to allow lots of questing? |
| 05:56.03 | WobWork | DPS DKs learning to tank at 80 are horrible to heal |
| 05:56.08 | Amarande | if I tried to do that as tank, queues would pop so often I'd never get to quest |
| 05:56.12 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: like i said, skill > gear. i've healed tanks with <25k hp in heroics that were better than some tanks with >40k hp. |
| 05:56.14 | DWSR | Of course you get the outliers, who just like to sneer at you because you don't have 40k unbuffed, but it's not like it's really hard to get gear in the first place, and Frost tanking's so lulz. |
| 05:56.17 | Jerub | Amarande: lolquesting |
| 05:56.21 | Amarande | and I like to stay queued as much as I can for max badges |
| 05:56.29 | DWSR | HB + BB + BB + OB + HB + BB + BB = win. |
| 05:56.41 | WobWork | Amarande: you only get badges from heroics... |
| 05:56.45 | WobWork | and the daily normal |
| 05:56.47 | Jerub | DWSR: you mean 133233133233 |
| 05:56.47 | Jerub | ;) |
| 05:56.49 | |Jelly| | woah there ... gotta have a D&D sometime. I mean when else am I going to go get a drink? |
| 05:57.01 | Amarande | Wob: at 80, you still have sholazar, stormpeaks, and icecrown to do on most characters |
| 05:57.01 | DWSR | Dude. |
| 05:57.02 | Amarande | at the *least* |
| 05:57.04 | DWSR | I run lightspeed heroics. |
| 05:57.09 | Amarande | I usually have most or all of Zul'Drak to do too |
| 05:57.15 | NightHawkTheSane | |Jelly|: thats why i love tanking on my pally, consecreate, hotr, ok guys i'm grabbing a beer, brb. :P |
| 05:57.18 | NiLon | for noobs: skill > gear but once you get hang of it gear > skill and after that whine that game is too easy |
| 05:57.19 | DWSR | l2strafe backpedal. |
| 05:57.20 | |Jelly| | YES! Speed heroics = fuuuuuun! |
| 05:57.23 | WobWork | yes, yes. But you only get badges from heroics |
| 05:57.25 | DWSR | Nononoono. |
| 05:57.32 | DWSR | Speed heroics are slower than lightspeed heroics. |
| 05:57.33 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, unless it's clear that the tank specifically NEEDS that much HP, I don't look that closely at the tank HP |
| 05:57.43 | |Jelly| | Well, I don't have my lightspeed drive. |
| 05:57.45 | |Jelly| | So there. |
| 05:57.51 | Amarande | although I do tend to equate tanks with 50k+ with significantly experienced tanks who probably have been raiding to get at least some of that gear |
| 05:57.52 | DWSR | You're so last year. :P |
| 05:57.54 | |Jelly| | I usually like to average 15 minutes or so. |
| 05:57.55 | WobWork | I've healed an 21k fresh 80 pallytank through HHoL |
| 05:57.56 | |Jelly| | :( |
| 05:58.05 | DWSR | lol |
| 05:58.06 | WobWork | it takes a little bit more attention, but can be done |
| 05:58.15 | DWSR | Depending on the heroic, I like to be at around 8 minutes. |
| 05:58.18 | DWSR | I can do H AN in 4. |
| 05:58.19 | DWSR | err 5. |
| 05:58.27 | |Jelly| | Fraps or it didn't happen! |
| 05:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | h AN is easysauce though |
| 05:58.32 | DWSR | lol, next time I will. |
| 05:58.34 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 05:58.40 | |Jelly| | And no, AN doesn't count. |
| 05:58.43 | |Jelly| | You cheater. |
| 05:58.43 | NightHawkTheSane | which is odd, cause i remember when i used to dread that heroic, because it was so hard |
| 05:58.46 | DWSR | Pull all the trash to the first boss, glitch past the second, rape Anub. |
| 05:58.47 | DWSR | Win |
| 05:58.54 | |Jelly| | I wanna see UK in 8 minutes. :P |
| 05:58.58 | DWSR | k |
| 05:59.05 | DWSR | I'll bring my pocket healer. |
| 05:59.13 | |Jelly| | And 8:01 ~= 8:00! |
| 05:59.16 | DWSR | lol |
| 05:59.31 | DWSR | Anyway, I can do H DTK in 8. |
| 05:59.41 | Jerub | DWSR: skipping bosses? |
| 05:59.44 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 05:59.46 | Amarande | DWSR: by glitch you mean the same one to make the trash disappear like is used for hadronox denied? |
| 05:59.54 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes. |
| 05:59.58 | NightHawkTheSane | there's only one boss to skip in dtk isn't there? |
| 05:59.59 | DWSR | I don't skip the boss when I glitch it though |
| 06:00.02 | DWSR | I still want my back. |
| 06:00.04 | Jerub | i had a group glitch hadronox in order to skip that boss entirely. |
| 06:00.07 | |Jelly| | I just did it in 15 in DPS gear. :( I'm not as pro as you, I guess. |
| 06:00.08 | DWSR | NHTS: Yes, I pull him though |
| 06:00.08 | WobWork | you can avoid the second |
| 06:00.10 | Amarande | also: "Hadronox" sounds like a particle accelerator. |
| 06:00.10 | WobWork | I think |
| 06:00.17 | Jerub | but didn't actually mention that they were skipping so i died :( |
| 06:00.20 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: well duh, cause he's there, and easy |
| 06:00.34 | Jerub | I do H-AN in 8 minutes |
| 06:00.39 | DWSR | slow. |
| 06:00.41 | WobWork | I hate 'hurry up and wait' bosses |
| 06:00.42 | Jerub | 10 with normally geared groups |
| 06:00.51 | Jerub | WobWork: remember CoS? :(( |
| 06:00.54 | WobWork | =( |
| 06:01.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i like tanking the second boss of dtk these days, because it's so freaking trivial |
| 06:01.09 | WobWork | any boss that has a phase change at a health percentage |
| 06:01.25 | |Jelly| | Anub pisses me off to this day |
| 06:01.26 | DWSR | WobWork: Like Telestra in H Nex? |
| 06:01.32 | Jerub | my worst LFD experience was being drafted to a just-wiped H VH run. |
| 06:01.33 | DWSR | Yeah, you can kill her before she splits, btw. |
| 06:01.34 | NightHawkTheSane | `telestra still annoys me |
| 06:01.44 | Jerub | i didn't get an emblem off the first or second bosses because they'd already been killed once. |
| 06:01.48 | NiLon | NightHawkTheSane anything too easy is fun eh? tho it gets boring |
| 06:02.01 | Amarande | DWSR: btw, do you get the split-related ach if you kill her before she splits? |
| 06:02.05 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 06:02.08 | DWSR | I think. |
| 06:02.12 | DWSR | I already had it, so I don't remember. |
| 06:02.16 | NightHawkTheSane | NiLon: no, i like it cause i can go do something else for most of the fight ;) |
| 06:02.25 | Amarande | I'm still trying to figure out how you get that ach |
| 06:02.30 | DWSR | Easily. |
| 06:02.33 | DWSR | Just AoE it all down. |
| 06:02.35 | WobWork | aoe |
| 06:02.36 | NightHawkTheSane | these days, by not being lame. |
| 06:02.37 | WobWork | lots of it |
| 06:02.39 | Amarande | or the intense cold one reliably |
| 06:02.42 | WobWork | priest |
| 06:02.44 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft |
| 06:02.46 | DWSR | Priest. |
| 06:02.50 | NightHawkTheSane | that one's easy as fuck |
| 06:02.52 | Amarande | without having to be DPS and ask to be carried through the fight so you can just jump the whole time and not have to worry about fighting |
| 06:02.53 | Jerub | Amarande: put nameplates up for enemies |
| 06:02.54 | WobWork | I heal it as a priest |
| 06:02.55 | Jerub | tab target moar |
| 06:02.59 | DWSR | Stack on boss, Priest with mass dispel, win. |
| 06:03.02 | WobWork | and have everyone stand in range of mass dispel |
| 06:03.03 | NiLon | intense cold is just jumping around like madman |
| 06:03.21 | Amarande | NiLon: the trouble is not getting rooted |
| 06:03.24 | WobWork | I still want to do the one where you hit Loladin with his own hammer |
| 06:03.26 | Jerub | NiLon: need dispell or you get rooted to the floor |
| 06:03.28 | Amarande | it's almost impossible to concentrate on DPS without getting rooted |
| 06:03.30 | NightHawkTheSane | you can trinket/whatever out of the root, though |
| 06:03.31 | DWSR | Trinket. |
| 06:03.34 | NightHawkTheSane | blink, vanish, etc |
| 06:03.35 | |Jelly| | DWSR: Hacker. Kingslayer but never killed Sindragosa. :( |
| 06:03.35 | NiLon | Jerub nah |
| 06:03.39 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:03.47 | Amarande | or worse, to do it on a caster without mega grade gear |
| 06:03.54 | DWSR | Yeah, my previous guild were nice people, but stuck on progression. |
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| 06:04.02 | Amarande | because without tremendous haste it's virtually impossible to do DPS without having your casts take long enough to ruin the ach |
| 06:04.02 | DWSR | I solo tank LK for my new guild though |
| 06:04.04 | |Jelly| | My guild can't figure out the 1.5->2 phase change and then the BIG BLACK FUCKING CIRCLES in P2 on LK |
| 06:04.18 | WobWork | maybe they need to change the circles to pink |
| 06:04.21 | Amarande | you have to jump up like what, less than 3 seconds each time? |
| 06:04.27 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, dude, tonight, we got putricide to like .5%, and then everyone died from standing in shit cause they were like "lulz we got this" fuckers. |
| 06:04.30 | Amarande | and most caster DPS mojo takes 1.5-2? |
| 06:04.34 | Amarande | yeah, your DPS is going through the floor |
| 06:04.35 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: ugh |
| 06:04.38 | |Jelly| | ouch |
| 06:04.38 | DWSR | Amarande: What nukes do you have that take 3s? |
| 06:04.52 | NiLon | Amarande you can stand still over 3s |
| 06:04.57 | NightHawkTheSane | worst part? trash respawned after that attempt, so we called it :( |
| 06:04.57 | |Jelly| | You solo tank the LK? |
| 06:04.58 | Amarande | DWSR: the point is you're spending about a third of the time jumping |
| 06:05.02 | NiLon | so you get any nuke and time to move |
| 06:05.04 | Amarande | (remember, you can't cast while moving, so you can't do it mid jump) |
| 06:05.10 | |Jelly| | Sorry ... took me a second to let that click. |
| 06:05.11 | DWSR | |Jelly|: Yes. I'm a DK. |
| 06:05.13 | DWSR | I'm Blood. |
| 06:05.24 | DWSR | I have 4pT10. |
| 06:05.32 | |Jelly| | How many times? Cause .. damn. |
| 06:05.33 | Jerub | Amarande: only classes who have non-gcd spells are affected. |
| 06:05.34 | Amarande | It stacks every second, if I remember? |
| 06:05.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: pro dps doesn't jump, it just strafes slightly after every cast. |
| 06:05.36 | WobWork | Amarande: just do it once with a priest for the achi |
| 06:05.45 | WobWork | and then ignore the stacks til you're happy nuking |
| 06:05.51 | Jerub | Amarande: so mages can pop arcane explosion and arcane missile and stuff |
| 06:05.51 | DWSR | |Jelly|: I don't solo tank the adds in the beginning, I'm talking about the rest of the fight. |
| 06:05.58 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, I'm thinking of warlocks |
| 06:06.05 | Amarande | destro warlocks, especially |
| 06:06.16 | Jerub | Amarande: lol, curse, curse, run around. |
| 06:06.22 | |Jelly| | So what's the point? The tank in the beginning can't swap gear or anything. |
| 06:06.23 | WobWork | you only need to do it -once- |
| 06:06.32 | NiLon | Amarande if you are caster you don't jump ofc |
| 06:06.35 | Amarande | the only thing destro has that's good that's on GCD is conflagrate, and that's got a CD |
| 06:06.44 | NiLon | because it's way faster to move 10mm to side and nuke again |
| 06:06.49 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.54 | DWSR | The other tank is a prot warrior. Stunbot for valks and he has vig on me for machinegun taunts on vile spirits. |
| 06:06.56 | Jerub | Amarande: but you can throw at least two gcd curses on |
| 06:06.59 | NightHawkTheSane | cast, tap q/e, cast, tap q/e |
| 06:07.00 | Jerub | doesn't matter if they're not good |
| 06:07.01 | Amarande | yeah, strafing isn't my strong suit |
| 06:07.09 | Jerub | achievements aren't about topping the dps meter |
| 06:07.15 | Jerub | they're about being htere when the thing happens |
| 06:07.16 | DWSR | Unless it's a speed kill. |
| 06:07.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: well,.. er.. what DWSR said |
| 06:07.30 | Jerub | well, clearly. |
| 06:07.33 | WobWork | don't worry about dps if you're trying for the achievement |
| 06:07.43 | WobWork | in this case |
| 06:07.44 | NiLon | Amarande it's very good skill to learn; nuke and move at the same time :) |
| 06:07.51 | WobWork | just get the damn ach |
| 06:07.53 | |Jelly| | Don't try for achievements in LFD imo. |
| 06:07.54 | DWSR | |Jelly|: But anyway, Blood has 3 CDs on a 1m timer, and 1 on a 2m. |
| 06:07.54 | Amarande | NiLon: it's probably why I fail at pvp :) |
| 06:07.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: strafing is important, l2do it. period. |
| 06:08.01 | WobWork | and go back to normal business |
| 06:08.09 | WobWork | also, what NightHawkTheSane said |
| 06:08.13 | NiLon | Amarande indeed and some raids require it aswell in order to top meters |
| 06:08.17 | DWSR | So I just macro together Vamp. Blood + Blood Armor, then pop that, AMS, or IBF every time Harvest Soul comes around. |
| 06:08.18 | DWSR | And I win. |
| 06:08.26 | Amarande | Night: it's probably a reason why I fail at so many modern games and miss the turn based RPG, as well |
| 06:08.42 | Amarande | I grew up with turn based games, where things like dodging attacks were based on attribute rolls |
| 06:08.58 | Amarande | this modern mojo where your character's agility equals YOUR agility is still something I'm not fully versed in |
| 06:09.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: its not exactly hard, you know. just bind he keys near yoru movement. q/e by default, or right-click & a/d |
| 06:09.22 | Amarande | at least WoW still has roll-based hit and miss mechanics :) |
| 06:09.28 | DWSR | first step to being better at PvP: Stop fucking keyboard turning. |
| 06:09.35 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: that applies to pve too |
| 06:09.39 | DWSR | You strafe + mouse move only. |
| 06:09.40 | NightHawkTheSane | keyboard turning ftl. |
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| 06:09.52 | DWSR | NHTS: I keyboard turn in PvE. That's how I fap and play WoW at the same time. |
| 06:09.58 | Amarande | DWSR: second step is probably to somehow bind all the stuff you need to the left side of the keyboard |
| 06:09.58 | NightHawkTheSane | (although, disclaimer, i keyboard turn a lot when it doesn't matter0 |
| 06:10.01 | Amarande | amIright? |
| 06:10.03 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: depends on the situation |
| 06:10.05 | DWSR | No. |
| 06:10.15 | DWSR | You're also doing it wrong. |
| 06:10.16 | zenzio | agreed. In some situations I do keyboard turn |
| 06:10.18 | DWSR | It's amirite |
| 06:10.22 | NiLon | who strafes with q/e anyway? I'm using a/d so I can use q/e as binds for skills :o |
| 06:10.26 | Amarande | if there's one thing where I tend to have issues still in WoW |
| 06:10.34 | Amarande | it's quickly reacting with buttons that are bound on the right side of the keyboard |
| 06:10.35 | NightHawkTheSane | NiLon: i do, just because i dont really bind anything to those |
| 06:10.36 | DWSR | NiLon: You pleb. You're using a keyboard? |
| 06:10.37 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 06:10.41 | Amarande | especially if they're shift+ ctrl+ etc. something on the right side |
| 06:10.47 | Amarande | since my right hand is on the mouse all the time |
| 06:10.48 | NiLon | DWSR uh, yes? |
| 06:10.51 | DWSR | Pleb. |
| 06:11.08 | NiLon | DWSR it's kind of easier to have keyboard, need to chat sometime and so on |
| 06:11.19 | DWSR | http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169418900 http://www.belkin.com/iwcatproductpage.process?product_id=390404 |
| 06:11.22 | DWSR | kthx. |
| 06:11.23 | |Jelly| | woah woah woah ... chat? |
| 06:11.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i often can't affodrd to use the mouse to strafe, as i click-heal |
| 06:11.32 | DWSR | NiLon: IF they're not on vent, they're not worth paying attention to. |
| 06:11.56 | DWSR | NHTS: Yeah, that I've noticed for my healer. |
| 06:11.57 | DWSR | They can type, but I'm talking. |
| 06:12.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i don't chat while healing either. i might talk in vent, but not unless it's really important. |
| 06:12.29 | DWSR | Typing in WoW annoys the shit out of me. |
| 06:12.29 | NightHawkTheSane | (or really funny. or i'm really drunk) |
| 06:12.31 | DWSR | The chat system is awful. |
| 06:12.31 | NiLon | DWSR those devices would only slow me down :o |
| 06:12.38 | DWSR | NiLon: For about a week. |
| 06:12.43 | DWSR | Now I can't live without them. |
| 06:13.01 | DWSR | Because I now have so many buttons I can bind stuff like focus macros to. |
| 06:13.39 | NiLon | well I have enough buttons with keyboard alone |
| 06:13.41 | DWSR | Or shit like Ghoul Leap macros. |
| 06:14.01 | NiLon | and my fingers still move faster than required by wow, so I don't see problem there |
| 06:14.32 | DWSR | NiLon: Meh, I like having everything under my palms. There's not enough buttons around WASD for it to really be useful. |
| 06:14.52 | NiLon | I would fully agree if there would not be gcd |
| 06:15.05 | NiLon | but man, you can actually go to sleep while you wait before you can take next action |
| 06:15.08 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvX1Wa4Nxkk&hd=1 |
| 06:15.12 | NiLon | so you must be handicapped or something :P |
| 06:15.14 | Antiarc | It's working, pretty much :D |
| 06:15.25 | DWSR | NiLon: I play pet classes. The concept of GCD does not apply. |
| 06:15.30 | DWSR | Also, my DK is unholy PvP. 1s GCD. |
| 06:15.48 | NiLon | 1s is like.. forever |
| 06:16.18 | DWSR | Like I said, it's an unholy DK. Between that, pet, and off-GCD skills, I have plenty to do. |
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| 06:17.49 | NiLon | well try real apm games and then come back to wow, you see it pretty relaxing |
| 06:18.18 | DWSR | Oh, of course. I have played some twitch-based games, and I do see the relaxed pace of WoW. |
| 06:18.32 | NiLon | not that it's bad thing, but you don't need anything fancy in order to play wow |
| 06:18.34 | DWSR | However, 1) I don't have to move my fingers more than about 6 inches in order to do anything in WoW. At all. |
| 06:18.48 | DWSR | 2) I can use the aforementioned hardware in said games, so winwin. |
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| 06:19.33 | NiLon | 6 inches huh? |
| 06:20.16 | DWSR | Nice try, but WoW does not have porn in game. Yet. |
| 06:20.38 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 06:20.44 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:20.54 | kd3 | so what's going on in the tram? or goldshire's inn? |
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| 06:21.02 | DWSR | Anyway, night all. |
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| 06:22.44 | Adys | W: ratelimit.c: 14561 events suppressed W: ratelimit.c: 11442 events suppressed |
| 06:22.51 | kd3 | yay pulse |
| 06:22.59 | Adys | if nothing's wrong with pulseaudio, my stderr is a show about nothing |
| 06:23.18 | haste | pulse :( |
| 06:23.56 | haste | Sometimes I wish the entire audio stack on linux was redesigned will all the issues it has to solve in mind |
| 06:24.09 | Adys | so does everyone else |
| 06:24.39 | haste | I had to get skype working on a computer with alsa yesterday |
| 06:24.53 | Arrowmaster | what does skype normally use? |
| 06:25.00 | haste | and somehow.. unmuting line-in, muting mic on input made the microphone magically work |
| 06:25.19 | haste | (when PCM and line-in was muted on record) |
| 06:25.27 | haste | s/input/playback/ |
| 06:25.47 | haste | skype supports oss/alsa/pulse now |
| 06:25.51 | haste | it used to be oss only |
| 06:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: ok, thats neat |
| 06:26.04 | Torhal | I don't use Pulseaudio - ALSA's built-in dmix works fine. The only issue I have with the whole setup is having to edit .asoundrc to switch between the headset and my speakers - and system restarts swap the device numbers. |
| 06:26.13 | cbreak_work | I heard oss4 is good |
| 06:26.19 | Adys | are EU servers up? |
| 06:27.32 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: If you answered about a decent router I missed it - my Internet died. |
| 06:27.44 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: huh? |
| 06:28.06 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I asked on #wowace if you had any suggestions for a decent router. Mine is dying. |
| 06:28.22 | Arrowmaster | you did? |
| 06:28.24 | Arrowmaster | i dont see it |
| 06:28.29 | Torhal | Last time I just went to the store and picked one up I got the POS Linksys WRT56G |
| 06:28.41 | Torhal | Yah - around 1:35am |
| 06:29.01 | Arrowmaster | i dont see anything around that time |
| 06:29.04 | Torhal | Weird |
| 06:29.09 | Torhal | I may have been offline then as well |
| 06:29.11 | Torhal | Gah |
| 06:29.16 | Arrowmaster | im using a WRT54GL |
| 06:29.26 | Adys | Torhal: i have a netgear dgn2000, it's sufficient but i wouldnt use it professionally |
| 06:29.28 | Torhal | s/56/54/ |
| 06:29.56 | Torhal | I just need something for home use that doesn't have shit hardware/firmware and doesn't drop connectivity every two hours (Belkin) |
| 06:30.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm using a wrt54g, and have been for a while, it's alwyas been decent |
| 06:30.25 | NightHawkTheSane | wanders off to sleep |
| 06:30.28 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:30.52 | Torhal | I wouldn't have minded getting one before they made it unable to use third-party firmware and just utterly suck overall. |
| 06:31.01 | Arrowmaster | if you dont need gigabit lan and you internet connection isnt higher than 20Mbit (need a router with a faster processor if you have a really fast connection) WRT54GL works fine |
| 06:31.17 | Adys | Torhal: wrt54gl is the "open" version of the wrt54g |
| 06:31.20 | Adys | since they disabled it |
| 06:31.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah you cant find the wrt54gl in stores, you have to order it online |
| 06:31.55 | Adys | Torhal: if all that's an issue, most netgear routers are fine |
| 06:32.03 | Torhal | Then again, this whole conversation could be moot: I've had the router for four years and there's an air compressor in the garage I could take to it that might solve all of my issues. |
| 06:32.30 | Arrowmaster | they dont really get hot |
| 06:32.44 | Arrowmaster | theyve got little ass 200mhz mips processors |
| 06:33.06 | Torhal | Yah, I'm touching mine now and it's barely warm. |
| 06:33.24 | Adys | Cairenn: can this last line go in topic? |
| 06:33.30 | Torhal | Hahahaha |
| 06:34.08 | Cairenn | well if I did it right now, it would still be "in context" and you guys would also be expecting it, so where's the fun in any of that? :p |
| 06:34.23 | Adys | just keep it up there a few days. |
| 06:34.27 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:34.45 | Arrowmaster | theres really only two levels for home routers, 802.11g with 100Mbit lan and 802.11n with 1Gbit lan and faster processors |
| 06:35.18 | Arrowmaster | and the only important thing between different routers on each level is if they can run 3rd party firmware |
| 06:35.43 | mitch0 | torhal: did you ever experience ~1sec lag on entering/leaving combat with bazooka? |
| 06:36.01 | Arrowmaster | you can put ddwrt on one of the newer wrt54g's but its got a lot of features removed |
| 06:36.26 | Torhal | mitch0: Nothing like that, no. I've had short delays, but considering I run around 200 AddOns I figured that was to be expected. |
| 06:36.36 | mitch0 | and in general: is PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED/DISABLED spammy as some of the others with raid / auras? |
| 06:36.53 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt be |
| 06:36.55 | Torhal | As far as I know, it's relative to the player |
| 06:38.56 | Amarande | man, this is the worst anub'arak fight ever |
| 06:39.10 | Amarande | I did about 13k damage, for a dps rate of 1336.0 |
| 06:39.28 | Amarande | that's probably about the worst showing by a 4pt9 frost DPS DK in the history of WoW |
| 06:39.40 | Amarande | ok, we wiped so it doesn't matter now heh |
| 06:39.43 | Adys | yeah, one dps short |
| 06:39.44 | Adys | :( |
| 06:40.16 | zenzio | hm, Slackware 13.1 on Linode now... |
| 06:40.58 | zenzio | Shirik: this looks like something you'd find interesting... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=350347707478&Category=3323&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2 |
| 06:42.10 | Amarande | (guess how I did that little) |
| 06:43.52 | zenzio | you died in 10 seconds? |
| 06:44.07 | Amarande | yeah heh |
| 06:44.14 | Amarande | tank had trouble keeping him oriented |
| 06:45.00 | Adys | how did ebay get so popular with urls such as "http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll" |
| 06:45.06 | Adys | fucking honestly |
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| 06:46.16 | Adys | how is it not common sense |
| 06:46.39 | Adys | http://ebay.com/view/3323/350347707478/nikon-28-6mm-fisheye-nikkor-auto/ |
| 06:46.42 | Adys | now thats a good url |
| 06:46.56 | Adys | well, a much better one |
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| 06:52.19 | Amarande | 30g repair bill :( |
| 06:54.12 | Amarande | I think elitist armory has a bug :| |
| 06:54.20 | Amarande | it's claiming every character has nine Tharon'ja heroic kills |
| 06:54.54 | Amarande | though at least it recognizes DK rune enchants, while wowhead doesn't and claims the items are missing chants |
| 06:55.26 | Adys | because wowhead's profiler is garbage, perhaps? :p |
| 06:55.44 | Adys | 3 years of work and still way subpar |
| 06:56.05 | Adys | Zelda Reorchestrated - Shop.mp3 |
| 06:56.09 | Adys | who linked that, it wins |
| 06:56.15 | Adys | WobWork: was it you?! |
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| 06:56.48 | WobWork | Adys: I don't think so? |
| 06:56.54 | WobWork | maybe? |
| 06:57.04 | WobWork | not anytime recently anyway |
| 06:57.29 | Adys | May 26 04:14:57 <+tem> also, http://www.zreomusic.com/2009/12/25/ocarina-of-time is fucking awesome |
| 06:57.31 | Adys | there |
| 06:57.35 | Adys | ~tem++ |
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| 07:07.59 | Amarande | YAY |
| 07:08.03 | Amarande | I can finally queue for H HoR |
| 07:08.42 | Adys | Shadowed, ping :( |
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| 07:57.20 | olafski | arrowmaster: got the tier 3 charm.. hurry up now ;) |
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| 07:57.34 | Cide | hi |
| 07:57.51 | Arrowmaster | olafski: i havent even turned on my xbox in like a week |
| 07:58.18 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah, i guess i better turn it on and check what the deal of the week is |
| 08:01.20 | industrial | awesome http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/spaghetti_and_franks.jpg |
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| 08:08.54 | Vangual_ | is there a preferred library or way of making simple dialog boxes (ok/cancel-type stuff)? Not sure how much I'm tainting by writing into and calling the global StaticPopups array/funcs |
| 08:09.16 | Antiarc | StaticPopups is the de facto go-to for that sort of thing |
| 08:09.21 | Antiarc | You won't really taint much |
| 08:09.40 | Antiarc | That said, a simple popup frame isn't terribly difficult to implement |
| 08:09.45 | Vangual_ | Do I end up being another one of those addons that prevent successful respec confirmation tho? |
| 08:10.10 | Antiarc | don't know til you try I guess :) |
| 08:10.21 | Kalroth | thats what she said |
| 08:10.24 | Vangual_ | Yea I suppose I could just make my own frames, just wasn't sure if someone already put the work into a lib or acegui function I haven't found yet. |
| 08:10.31 | Antiarc | At any rate, a confirm dialog is 1 frame, 2 buttons, and a fontstring |
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| 08:10.45 | olafski | arrowmaster: deal of the week are some arcade games for half price and some avatar items |
| 08:10.55 | Vangual_ | thanks Antiarc |
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| 08:11.31 | olafski | I doubt I'll get 1k/1k anytime soon, I bet getting the 7 piece set without trading will be tough.. still need to kill 4000 undead for that charm quest too =) |
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| 09:36.25 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXET1kvEOAY |
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| 09:44.17 | Corrodias2 | true gentlemen duel with dicks out |
| 09:45.21 | Corrodias2 | first to lose it loses it |
| 10:02.05 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 10:03.04 | Wobin | hey Fisker |
| 10:07.15 | Fisker | not sure if it's a trap |
| 10:07.22 | Fisker | what do i do? |
| 10:09.20 | haste | transfer all your money to me |
| 10:10.51 | Fisker | that doesn't work haste |
| 10:13.15 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummingtonite <-i lol'd |
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| 10:32.56 | Fisker | i grrr'd Antiarc |
| 10:32.59 | Fisker | what about you? |
| 10:38.26 | Fisker | oh sweet |
| 10:38.26 | harl | hallo |
| 10:38.29 | Fisker | i just broke the law |
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| 12:29.21 | Adys | I have ~6MB of pure one-line text data i need to paste in a file |
| 12:29.26 | Adys | how do i do that. |
| 12:29.41 | Adys | every fracking editor is being a piece of garbage |
| 12:30.15 | zenzio | hm... never tried a line that long |
| 12:30.15 | airtonix | where does the data come from ? |
| 12:30.24 | Fisker | your mom airtonix |
| 12:30.26 | Adys | my clipboard |
| 12:30.27 | zenzio | guess you've tried Notepad++ and others? |
| 12:30.44 | Adys | linux, but even n++ has the same issues |
| 12:30.58 | Adys | only ultraedit claims to be able to handle extremely long lines |
| 12:31.09 | airtonix | nano ? |
| 12:31.09 | Adys | and thats paying windows software noty |
| 12:31.15 | Fisker | notepad++ is pretty horrible |
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| 12:31.22 | Fisker | I've seen notepad and wordpad handle bigger files |
| 12:31.23 | Fisker | seriously |
| 12:31.31 | Adys | no airtonix, any console-based editor will depend on the console |
| 12:31.36 | airtonix | Adys, so ? |
| 12:31.40 | Adys | in this case it's through ssh |
| 12:31.43 | Adys | so takes just as long |
| 12:31.44 | zenzio | I'm puzzled people are always wanting to edit such huge files |
| 12:31.54 | zenzio | but Notepad++ has handled combat logs fine for me |
| 12:31.55 | airtonix | Adys, you can still paste |
| 12:32.02 | Adys | hmm i guess i can paste it locally |
| 12:32.41 | Adys | yeah no |
| 12:32.48 | Adys | konsole is being just as much of a piece of garbage as the rest |
| 12:33.24 | zenzio | hex editor? |
| 12:33.30 | zenzio | those don't do "lines" |
| 12:33.46 | airtonix | xsel might let you dump it directly to a file |
| 12:35.03 | airtonix | yep |
| 12:35.08 | airtonix | xsel > filename.txt |
| 12:35.46 | airtonix | be aware that it also grabs the "highlight buffer" or what ever its called |
| 12:36.27 | airtonix | xsel -b -o will dump your clipboard |
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| 12:37.53 | Adys | airtonix: well, you win hard |
| 12:39.48 | Elkano | so vi(m) and emacs failed, too? |
| 12:40.01 | Adys | yes |
| 12:40.16 | Adys | and im not installing emacs for a fucking clipboard issue lol |
| 12:40.24 | Adys | anyway xsel was what i was lookin for |
| 12:40.30 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 12:40.58 | Kalroth | who here thinks that Fisker sucks?!! |
| 12:41.36 | industrial | well he smells for one, I don't really want to know wether he sucks or not.. |
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| 13:03.30 | Fisker | i want to kill you stolenlegacy |
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| 13:09.58 | airtonix | "W00t! 3k MS crit!" |
| 13:10.31 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:12.56 | airtonix | ohh the wowhead webtools are such ownage |
| 13:13.04 | airtonix | pity i dont play the game anymore |
| 13:14.02 | Wobin | ? |
| 13:14.09 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
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| 13:36.18 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l136oe91lU1qzkdmko1_500.jpg |
| 13:38.07 | Fisker | nay Wobin |
| 13:40.21 | Wobin | ugh |
| 13:40.24 | Wobin | I bought a new monitor |
| 13:40.29 | Wobin | and totally forgot I brought it in |
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| 13:48.16 | jadakren | whats the attraction to utorrent ? |
| 13:48.28 | jadakren | Fisker, SELL IT TO ME |
| 13:48.29 | Wobin | as opposed to |
| 13:48.38 | cbreak_work | it's one among many. |
| 13:48.46 | jadakren | something like deluge or transmission or rtorrent |
| 13:49.12 | Wobin | I dunno, I like the features |
| 13:49.18 | Wobin | and it's relatively lightweight |
| 13:49.32 | jadakren | i know transmission can't queue torrents like deluge can with its queue plugin |
| 13:50.29 | jadakren | like i can tell deluge to start all fifty of these torrents, but i only want 1 active downloading at a time. and download the torrents in the order they are listed |
| 13:50.38 | jadakren | transmission cant do that |
| 13:50.58 | jadakren | cant remember if rtorrent can |
| 13:51.35 | cbreak_work | transmission can queue torrents sort of. |
| 13:51.48 | jadakren | explain ? |
| 13:51.59 | cbreak_work | you can say that you want at most n active ones |
| 13:52.05 | jadakren | ja |
| 13:52.08 | cbreak_work | that probably does something... |
| 13:52.17 | cbreak_work | I don't know what, I have no limit on active torrents. |
| 13:52.48 | Gagorian | Well there's no need to have that specific queue functions unless your internet sucks :C |
| 13:53.04 | Gagorian | s/internet/internet connection/ |
| 13:53.05 | jadakren | yeah i just notice when im on a wireless connection at my mums house that having only one torrent active at a time allows it to use alot more bandwidth than if i had two or more running |
| 13:53.40 | cbreak_work | ! |
| 13:53.44 | jadakren | ie using one: 180-230kb/s, but if i run two : a) 45kb/s b) 80kb/s |
| 13:53.46 | cbreak_work | you know wireless is a shared medium? |
| 13:53.51 | jadakren | yeah a hub |
| 13:53.55 | cbreak_work | no, worse |
| 13:54.00 | cbreak_work | it's single duplex |
| 13:54.13 | jadakren | unless you have two antenna ? |
| 13:54.17 | cbreak_work | no |
| 13:54.23 | jadakren | i've seen some that claim full duplex |
| 13:54.34 | cbreak_work | maybe on separate channels? |
| 13:54.40 | jadakren | i assume so |
| 13:54.56 | jadakren | its not a common thing sold to consumers though (yet) |
| 13:55.29 | jadakren | this would explain why i have this behaviour with torrents ? |
| 13:55.51 | jadakren | i can't really understand why because a single torrent causes X number of connections |
| 13:55.59 | jadakren | at the same time |
| 13:56.25 | jadakren | but you say since its not full duplex the collision rate escalates |
| 13:59.51 | cbreak_work | wlan is sensitive to load |
| 14:00.06 | cbreak_work | especially if more than two endpoints are participating |
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| 14:15.26 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnF6Dr8BhKA cute |
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| 14:20.06 | Fisker | I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE |
| 14:21.13 | Wobin | Hans Reiser, is that you? |
| 14:21.28 | Lopeppeppy | I don't care. I've just gotta bring you in, let someone else decide that. |
| 14:25.02 | Fisker | what the fuck |
| 14:25.40 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry. The law is the law. |
| 14:31.33 | Fisker | oh i was just thinking about Ancilcorn making me insane |
| 14:44.11 | jadakren | looool |
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| 14:44.36 | jadakren | btrfs is being considered as the default FS for ubuntu maverick |
| 14:44.40 | jadakren | lol |
| 14:44.50 | Fisker | what is btrfs? |
| 14:44.59 | jadakren | think git file system |
| 14:45.01 | Fisker | Filesystems for brits? |
| 14:45.05 | Fisker | ah gits |
| 14:45.09 | jadakren | lol |
| 14:45.12 | Fisker | same shit |
| 14:45.20 | jadakren | do you ... want me ... to slap you |
| 14:45.34 | Fisker | sounds hot |
| 14:46.17 | jadakren | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs |
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| 14:46.36 | haste | "omg it has snapshots, it has to be git"? |
| 14:46.42 | jadakren | :( |
| 14:46.50 | jadakren | i was explaining to fisker |
| 14:46.53 | Fisker | i have snapshots on my cameraphone |
| 14:46.55 | Sidey | how do you change the 'development site' on curse ? |
| 14:46.57 | jadakren | see ? |
| 14:48.23 | jadakren | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI0NA |
| 14:49.02 | Fisker | VistaFS > brtfs |
| 14:49.15 | jadakren | explain you peasant |
| 14:49.24 | jadakren | while you're down there too |
| 14:49.27 | Fisker | what is there to explain? |
| 14:49.27 | jadakren | lick my boots |
| 14:51.48 | Fisker | btw haste |
| 14:52.00 | Fisker | what will you do when i finish downloading alpha protocol? |
| 14:52.39 | jadakren | pull the cord |
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| 14:52.55 | jadakren | skynet shall not commence |
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| 14:55.00 | Sidey | how do you change the 'development site' on curse ? |
| 14:55.10 | jadakren | bribes |
| 14:55.35 | jadakren | or airborn cat treats |
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| 14:57.15 | jadakren | Fisker, it will take you quite a while to download a yottabyte of pron. so you won't be having alpha protocol any time soon |
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| 15:00.01 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgnMpOU1LNQ&feature=player_embedded |
| 15:00.02 | Wobin | =( |
| 15:01.19 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 15:08.35 | jadakren | wobin |
| 15:08.41 | jadakren | here is more love for you |
| 15:08.43 | jadakren | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wAMD9ZnhUA&NR=1 |
| 15:09.53 | cog|work | Fisker|work! |
| 15:12.58 | jadakren | poor boy is seeing imaginary people |
| 15:13.31 | cog|work | http://www.axilone.com/legault/iss_atlantis_transit2_2010.jpg |
| 15:13.41 | Wobin | we had gearscore in Sept 09? |
| 15:13.43 | Wobin | =( |
| 15:14.08 | jadakren | yeah via website |
| 15:14.11 | Wobin | oh |
| 15:14.16 | Wobin | wow-hero's version of gearscore |
| 15:14.22 | jadakren | me wove you wong time |
| 15:15.00 | Wobin | my god |
| 15:15.09 | Wobin | I'm glad she's there to tell us the bleeding obvious =P |
| 15:15.17 | Wobin | The internet would be bereft otherwise |
| 15:15.17 | Fisker | no cog|work |
| 15:15.21 | jadakren | you mean you already knew ? |
| 15:15.28 | jadakren | :( |
| 15:15.57 | Fisker | what is that btw cog|work ? |
| 15:16.09 | Wobin | The International Space STation |
| 15:16.11 | cog|work | Fisker: you wouldn't steel reserve |
| 15:16.21 | Gintaro | It's a space smiley obviously |
| 15:16.28 | Wobin | or perhaps a fly smushed on the filter |
| 15:16.29 | jadakren | <rust leaks out of Fiskers ears> |
| 15:16.46 | Wobin | night all |
| 15:16.50 | Fisker | i knew it Gintaro |
| 15:16.55 | Gintaro | It's not a happy smiley though |
| 15:17.04 | Wobin | a frowny? |
| 15:17.14 | Fisker | what are those other things then? |
| 15:17.18 | cog|work | sun spots |
| 15:17.23 | Wobin | aliens |
| 15:17.34 | Fisker | ah |
| 15:17.37 | Fisker | aliens |
| 15:17.40 | Gintaro | He's holding a double double flag |
| 15:17.52 | Fisker | it's a space smiley invaded by aliens |
| 15:17.56 | Fisker | thank you Gintaro and cog|work |
| 15:17.58 | Fisker | err |
| 15:18.01 | Fisker | Gintaro and Wobin |
| 15:18.06 | Fisker | And cog|work |
| 15:18.09 | Fisker | stay off the fucking weed |
| 15:18.12 | Fisker | :3 |
| 15:18.17 | jadakren | drats you know my location, i shall have to egress |
| 15:18.24 | cog|work | hot boxes wowuidev |
| 15:18.33 | Gintaro | Maybe it's protesting |
| 15:18.37 | Wobin | I feel it more effective to smoke it |
| 15:19.45 | cog|work | one thing i wonder about that picture is whether the distorted-looking areas of the surface of the sun are accurate representations of the magnetic fields or if they're just imaging artifacts... |
| 15:19.58 | Fisker | what's this cog|work ? |
| 15:20.03 | Fisker | *ziiiiiiiip* |
| 15:20.06 | cog|work | how there are bands that look like stretch marks... |
| 15:20.14 | cog|work | (lern2zoomin) |
| 15:20.36 | Wobin | imaging artifacts I'd say |
| 15:20.40 | Wobin | or the filter used |
| 15:20.49 | Fisker | fucking magnets |
| 15:20.52 | Fisker | how do they work? |
| 15:21.01 | Wobin | cause surely they shot that through a filter |
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| 15:37.49 | Ackis | so a forum I was on back in 2005/2006 that closed reopened and I got an e-mail from it... blast from the past to say the least |
| 15:38.08 | Gintaro | retarded windows network bridge |
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| 15:41.43 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 15:43.30 | Gintaro | hmm |
| 15:43.44 | Gintaro | anybody know any decent cd burning software for windows (7) |
| 15:43.55 | Gintaro | need to burn some flacs as an audio cd |
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| 15:45.40 | zenzelezz | "Jesus Kristus wants to be friends on Facebook".... oh, coworkers |
| 15:45.56 | Legorol | Fisker: what was your question about magnets? |
| 15:46.29 | haste | yay firefox |
| 15:46.35 | haste | I'm running mozilla-central |
| 15:46.42 | haste | and it's.. OMG 3.7a5 is out! |
| 15:47.49 | Fisker | Legorol how do they work |
| 15:48.05 | Fisker | and i don't want to talk to no scientist |
| 15:48.20 | Fisker | they're all motherfuckers lying and getting me all pissed |
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| 15:59.21 | Lunessa | Station |
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| 16:05.39 | zenzelezz | I swear gold veins are always plentiful when you're 5-10 points short of mining them |
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| 16:13.06 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/you_dummy_foolish_scientist_im.php |
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| 16:23.24 | Lunessa | mikma: http://roflrazzi.com/2010/05/25/celebrity-pictures-robert-downey-jr-iron-man-donut/ |
| 16:23.50 | mikma | lunessa: gas :O |
| 16:24.41 | zenzelezz | http://dailysquee.com/2010/05/25/cute-baby-animals-kitten-play/ |
| 16:27.09 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.com/2010/05/21/celebrity-pictures-josh-holloway-lost-poll/ |
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| 16:31.58 | Ackis | Fisker made the news again: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/129189141455148442.jpg |
| 16:32.37 | alestane | So, I'm running into an issue with Visual Studio trying to help a student through a Visual Basic project. |
| 16:32.50 | MoonWitch | do share alestane |
| 16:32.57 | alestane | We're adding an image to the project, which seems fine. |
| 16:33.05 | MoonWitch | @alestane YouÅe a teacher? |
| 16:33.17 | alestane | My select it as the image for a button, which works fine. |
| 16:33.22 | alestane | We* select |
| 16:33.23 | zenzelezz | he just likes to hang around studentd |
| 16:33.25 | zenzelezz | *students |
| 16:33.33 | mikma | lunessa: http://cheezburger.com/View/3566467840 |
| 16:33.36 | MoonWitch | female students? |
| 16:33.41 | batrick | Shirik: ?? |
| 16:33.48 | alestane | It looks great in Design View. |
| 16:34.23 | alestane | But when i run it, the image is totally washed out, like all it's showing is the image's alpha channel. |
| 16:35.01 | Lunessa | alestane: Check the "Properties" for the object in VB |
| 16:35.06 | alestane | The images are PNGs with alpha channels. Is there something I have to do to prepare the images so that Vis Studio will handle them right? |
| 16:35.27 | alestane | I've been UP AND DOWN that list about eight times, Lunessa. |
| 16:35.38 | alestane | Monkeying with colors, whatnot. |
| 16:36.23 | Lunessa | alestane: Hrm, sorry... you've now exhausted my Visual Studio expertise. Sorry. |
| 16:39.03 | Fisker | fuck you Ackis |
| 16:39.19 | alestane | I teach multimedia and game design at ITT Tech in Massachusetts, Moonwitch. I have about three female students. |
| 16:39.20 | MoonWitch | random comment Fisker |
| 16:39.22 | Ackis | Fisker: get owned tiny penis boy! |
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| 16:39.36 | alestane | Random Fisker is random, MoonWitch. Get used to it. |
| 16:39.37 | Ackis | MoonWitch: 10:31AckisFisker made the news again: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/129189141455148442.jpg |
| 16:39.44 | Ackis | goes off to play Blur. |
| 16:39.44 | MoonWitch | alestane, I wouldnt mind studying in your class :( |
| 16:39.46 | Fisker | i'm not random at all alestane |
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| 16:39.50 | Fisker | Ackis you said it sucked |
| 16:39.54 | Fisker | fuck you again |
| 16:39.57 | Ackis | is teasing you |
| 16:40.02 | Ackis | it does suck IMO |
| 16:40.09 | Ackis | split second is supposed to be better |
| 16:40.43 | mikma | wait..... WHAT?!??!?!? |
| 16:40.45 | mikma | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1934920?ref=rofl |
| 16:40.47 | mikma | i mean, really? |
| 16:41.36 | MoonWitch | mikma .. scary |
| 16:41.37 | alestane | This particular class isn't really study, it's capstone. I have a student who's trying to take what he's learned about in all his other classes and generate a sort of senior project. |
| 16:41.47 | Fisker | old mikma |
| 16:41.53 | Lopeppeppy | capstones are hard, they're often out of anyone's true area of expertise |
| 16:42.12 | alestane | He's trying to write a web browser in Visual Basic, and it works about 95%. |
| 16:42.24 | MoonWitch | damn nice project |
| 16:42.27 | mikma | fisker: fuck off troll |
| 16:42.28 | Fisker | i disagree alestane |
| 16:42.31 | alestane | I can help him psolve programming problems, but this is really my first experience working in VB. |
| 16:42.40 | Fisker | he's trying to write a dialog box creating a browser object |
| 16:42.48 | Fisker | :3 |
| 16:42.52 | alestane | Fisker is basically correct. |
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| 16:43.10 | Fisker | i would never troll mikma |
| 16:43.22 | MoonWitch | ok food time |
| 16:43.25 | alestane | He's not writing the rendering engine, he's using System.Windows.Forms.WebBrowser and implementing his own user interface. |
| 16:44.10 | alestane | And that part is mostly working fine, but we're trying to make the buttons like Back and home and so forth and getting the images imported correctly is proving challenging. |
| 16:45.01 | alestane | hugs Cairenn good morning. |
| 16:45.08 | zenzelezz | what sort of control are you using for the buttons? |
| 16:45.08 | Cairenn | hugs alestane |
| 16:45.19 | alestane | Just Button, zenzelezz. |
| 16:45.51 | Fisker | haha |
| 16:45.59 | Fisker | Blizzard's new Ninja Policy, avoided! |
| 16:46.05 | Fisker | this is awesome |
| 16:47.04 | Gintaro_ | Bah, where's my k3b for windows! |
| 16:48.12 | Ackis | my good "toe" is getting sharp stabbing pains where the little bit of toenail is left =/ |
| 16:48.15 | Ackis | I blame Lopeppeppy |
| 16:49.11 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 16:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | Hey! |
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| 16:51.31 | Fisker | i didn't hey you Lopeppeppy |
| 16:52.14 | alestane | When in doubt, blame Peppy...if she's not responsible for your problem, she's at least responsible for SOMETHING. |
| 16:52.23 | alestane | Of course, this is true of basically everyone. |
| 16:52.36 | Lopeppeppy | I agree with the second half of the statement. I'm often responsible for mayhem. |
| 16:53.42 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Really? Can I drop you on a foreign nation and sit back waiting for them to surrender? |
| 16:53.52 | Lopeppeppy | Steal all their left shoes |
| 16:54.48 | Lunessa | Wait, Cairenn, Lopeppeppy, Seerah, and now MoonWitch - a surfeit of riches! |
| 16:54.49 | alestane | Stack all the chairs on the roof. |
| 16:55.03 | Cairenn | chuckles |
| 16:55.07 | Seerah | ??? |
| 16:55.20 | Lopeppeppy | Poor Lunessa, with the choices. |
| 16:55.27 | Fisker | slaps Seerah around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:55.30 | Fisker | slap'd |
| 16:55.40 | Seerah | tsk tsk |
| 16:55.52 | Lunessa | I'm just saying it's good that there are many not-males present. :) |
| 16:56.13 | Ackis | Lunessa: Fisker is a not-male |
| 16:56.21 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker is a knot. |
| 16:56.40 | Lunessa | Ackis: Probably true, but I'm trying to be polite. |
| 16:56.46 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 16:57.03 | Ackis | hey Fisker |
| 16:57.13 | Fisker | why do you prefer the company of men? |
| 16:57.31 | Ackis | some are soft and cuddly |
| 16:57.33 | Seerah | Fisker's jealous |
| 16:57.57 | Fisker | naw Seerah |
| 16:58.49 | Ackis | Seerah: did you see the news about fisker? |
| 16:58.59 | Seerah | ? |
| 16:59.00 | Ackis | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/129189141455148442.jpg |
| 16:59.20 | Seerah | lol |
| 16:59.48 | zenzelezz | Ackis: I'm not sure what to make of your familiarity with Fisker's penis |
| 16:59.55 | Lunessa | alestane: It occurs to me to ask... do the images on the buttons look better when mousedover? |
| 17:00.04 | Ackis | zenzelezz: /wink |
| 17:00.51 | alestane | No, but until I tracked down som properties the color of the button was changing. |
| 17:01.22 | alestane | I'm currently thinking that something is happening to the images when they're loaded from Resources.rsx |
| 17:01.43 | Lunessa | alestane: Bah, there's a theory shot to hell then. |
| 17:02.19 | zenzelezz | what image format is it? |
| 17:02.47 | alestane | If they get loaded from an external file, they seem to work okay, so I'm trying to figure out how to just package the PNGs with the projecct so they'll be copied next to the executable. |
| 17:03.08 | zenzelezz | tried any other image formats? BMP, JPG? |
| 17:03.32 | alestane | I've suspected that using older formats might produce more reliable results, but they contain transparency. |
| 17:03.39 | zenzelezz | if not, try seeing if there's any "optimize PNG" settings in the project... for the iPhone, Xcode by default modifies PNGs to work better, which sometimes messes them up |
| 17:03.40 | Lopeppeppy | png just may not be the best format. |
| 17:03.56 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dp9Tpj88-g |
| 17:03.59 | Lopeppeppy | you've run into that before, IIRC |
| 17:04.28 | zenzelezz | alestane: I think VB lets you use icons (.ico), they support transparency |
| 17:04.38 | alestane | That was a different issue with a different program, and stemmed from Illustrator CS1's poor-ass handling of embedded color spaces. |
| 17:04.53 | Lopeppeppy | Is it a similar issue with a different program? |
| 17:05.43 | alestane | Not sure. It seems to have something to do with the way Visual Studio embeds image resources. If we load the same file from a file path using Image.FromFile, it loads fine. |
| 17:11.25 | zenzelezz | alestane: have you tried opening the resource file in a text editor and seeing if it looks correct? |
| 17:11.32 | zenzelezz | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1024761/visual-studio-2008-resource-editor-is-annoying-with-pngs |
| 17:11.35 | alestane | I wouldn't know. |
| 17:12.23 | alestane | I sort of suspected that support was shaky. |
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| 17:17.23 | Lunessa | Creepies thing I've seen all day "...and omg your UI turns me on more than anything..." |
| 17:17.43 | zenzelezz | yeah baby, push those buttons! |
| 17:20.37 | Lopeppeppy | ... eeew |
| 17:21.57 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOL8-qIYemg |
| 17:22.17 | Lunessa | This way lies madness: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24630973556&sid=1#5 |
| 17:23.48 | zenzelezz | wha? |
| 17:24.57 | mikma | uh lol |
| 17:25.41 | zenzelezz | I find the dedication behind that interesting... but god |
| 17:27.24 | alestane | Well, I made it work, but I broke design view. |
| 17:27.36 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 17:27.49 | alestane | All I get in design view is a bunch of HTML markup. |
| 17:28.24 | alestane | I changed one of the button properties to dynamically determined at runtime, and I think design view is choking on not being able to display the property. |
| 17:30.15 | alestane | Ah, well, i need to put this down and go home. |
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| 17:32.25 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaqZq52tQlQ - HAH! |
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| 17:36.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i feel the need to make a smarmy remark about how we realy need more people writing crap in java :P |
| 17:36.12 | Lunessa | lol |
| 17:37.22 | Lopeppeppy | You volunteering, NHTS? |
| 17:39.38 | zenzelezz | System.out.println("Just what we need... more Java"); |
| 17:48.24 | Ackis | never liked java |
| 17:48.30 | Ackis | it was too abstract for me =/ |
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| 17:51.50 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVzYDIlBQ0w ever seen a bridge dance? well, here you go |
| 17:52.22 | Dashkal | Too abstract? Try scala :) |
| 17:52.27 | Dashkal | snickers |
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| 17:53.20 | Fisker | hello Ackis |
| 17:53.25 | Ackis | hellooo newman |
| 18:01.07 | foxlit | "Unknown of the Shattered Sun" << I'm still interested how the character frame manages that. |
| 18:01.37 | zenzelezz | manages what? |
| 18:02.12 | foxlit | To get my character's name as "Unknown" |
| 18:03.34 | cog|work | Fisker: |
| 18:03.36 | Thunder_Child | cant you just name yourself that? |
| 18:04.00 | cog|work | minority report inc http://en.akihabaranews.com/47902/display/sony-develops-a-rollable-otft-driven-oled-display-that-can-wrap-around-a-pencil |
| 18:05.10 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: that's awfully close to neat dynamic/smart paper. |
| 18:05.27 | foxlit | look at those dead pixels. |
| 18:05.34 | foxlit | I demand a refund. |
| 18:07.21 | MoonWitch | Any advice on how to cram 2 tech manuals into my brain by like yesterday? |
| 18:07.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i suggest going through the nose. |
| 18:07.46 | cog|work | BlendTek |
| 18:07.53 | MoonWitch | thanks :) |
| 18:07.58 | cog|work | s/k/c/ |
| 18:08.18 | cog|work | is confused |
| 18:08.36 | cog|work | yes... C is right |
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| 18:09.34 | MoonWitch | the issue I have is with sentences like ¨The role is the rules accomplished by the user in posting¨ |
| 18:09.43 | MoonWitch | it just makes my head hurt |
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| 18:10.51 | MoonWitch | wb alestane |
| 18:11.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i think i may have had maybe one shot too many last night |
| 18:12.32 | MoonWitch | Epic fail http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1934923 |
| 18:12.44 | Lunessa | Tech Manuals, better with Tequila, salt and lime. I'm just sayin'... |
| 18:13.09 | MoonWitch | Lunessa: Could be fun |
| 18:13.36 | Lunessa | Shots are always fun. Tech manual drinking game - any time the language sounds like chinese rendered to english, drink. |
| 18:13.47 | MoonWitch | oh god |
| 18:13.53 | MoonWitch | I would become alcoholic |
| 18:14.24 | NightHawkTheSane | no, alcoholics go to meetings ;) |
| 18:14.29 | MoonWitch | true |
| 18:14.38 | MoonWitch | arent i in a meeting of sorts? |
| 18:14.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess? but we're not telling you to stop :P |
| 18:14.57 | MoonWitch | great |
| 18:15.48 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I'm not an alcoholic, I'm a drunk? |
| 18:18.38 | cog|work | *sigh* http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/26/ardi-rizal-smoking-video_n_590404.html |
| 18:18.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: precisely :D |
| 18:19.24 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: someone stop the planet, i want to get off. :( |
| 18:19.40 | MoonWitch | damn |
| 18:19.53 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: too much info |
| 18:20.40 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: no, i'm not really coherent enough to make lewd remrks :\ |
| 18:24.52 | alestane | The heat, Peppy. It has arrived. |
| 18:24.56 | alestane | wilts. |
| 18:25.19 | zenzelezz | I think you mean "the hot Peppy" |
| 18:25.20 | NightHawkTheSane | wore a jacket to work this morning |
| 18:25.35 | cog|work | MoonWitch: http://www.cosmicteaparty.org/Episode20.htm <-- it's amazing (well, maybe not) how he uses some of the exact same tidbits in the cold reading |
| 18:26.11 | MoonWitch | cog, Iĺl give it a read |
| 18:26.16 | cog|work | guess he's competing for next year's Biggest Douche in the Universe |
| 18:26.38 | cog|work | (it's actually the synopsis of a podcast, if you'd rather give it a hear ;) |
| 18:27.10 | MoonWitch | yeah actually would like to listen to it |
| 18:31.50 | cog|work | The south park episode was scarily accurate... Even when people do cold readings with explicit notice that it's fake, describing exactly how it's done, some people will still insist they're psychic |
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| 18:35.47 | Ackis | cog|work likes penis |
| 18:35.51 | Ackis | that's my cold reading of you |
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| 18:46.58 | Adys | cog|work: people want to believe it's true |
| 18:49.02 | Adys | cog|work: by the way, check out Derren Brown Investigates if you feel like it |
| 18:49.27 | Adys | he's doing the series this month theres still something like 4-5 eps left |
| 18:49.39 | cog|work | i saw one of them recently |
| 18:49.47 | cog|work | that was going around the skeptic blogosphere |
| 18:50.38 | Adys | theres been the psychic and the blind healer so far |
| 18:50.43 | Adys | still havent seen the second one |
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| 18:53.25 | cog|work | yeah... the one on Joe Power. He's a douche |
| 18:53.28 | zenzelezz | http://scoopertino.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/flash_site.jpg |
| 18:53.31 | Adys | ya. |
| 18:53.58 | Adys | Man these people should be arrested, urgh |
| 18:54.11 | Lunessa | cog|work: Large portions of the planetary population are douches. |
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| 18:55.09 | Kaso | "5/26 19:54:31.676 error in error handling" |
| 18:55.13 | Kaso | that cant be good right? |
| 18:55.28 | Adys | Lunessa, wrong, large portions of the population are idiots; fake psychics make use of those idiots |
| 18:55.48 | Adys | not saying lawyers or salesmen are any better |
| 18:55.49 | cog|work | s/fake// |
| 18:55.54 | cog|work | imo :P |
| 18:56.24 | cog|work | a fake psychic is like a hairless bald man. |
| 18:56.27 | Adys | There are people who truly believe they are really psychic for various reasons im not going into and i dont have anything against them |
| 18:56.42 | Lunessa | Adys: Anyone in a political party opposed to your - douche. Anyone who says your religion is wrong - douche. Anyone who says you're a douche - douche. Anyone who has more money than you - douche. See how this works? |
| 18:56.57 | cog|work | that just means they fooled themselves, so at the very least they're fools |
| 18:57.15 | Adys | yeah, and fools != douches |
| 18:57.20 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 18:58.44 | Adys | Lunessa, I dont see how thats relevant |
| 18:59.18 | cog|work | he was just illustrating the fact that he was generalizing imo |
| 18:59.57 | Lunessa | ^^ |
| 19:00.26 | Kaso | does anyone know what "error in error handling" in framexml.log means |
| 19:01.03 | Adys | Kaso: it means xzibit works at blizzard's QA dept |
| 19:01.08 | Kaso | hah |
| 19:01.16 | Kaso | means my addon aint running ;p |
| 19:01.44 | cog|work | have you validated your xml against the schema? |
| 19:01.56 | Kaso | no xml and my lua passes luac -p |
| 19:02.01 | Adys | cog|work: Except theres a huge difference between a douche who's flapping his green paper around, and a douche who extorts money from a mostly poor caste, bullshitting them and playing with the deceased. |
| 19:02.24 | cog|work | i know... it wasn't a serious comment... |
| 19:02.47 | cog|work | Kaso: if you don't have any xml then framexml.log isn't relevant to your interests imo |
| 19:03.03 | Adys | cog|work: was meant at lunessa actually |
| 19:03.11 | Kaso | well it was displaying lua parse errors in there before cog|work |
| 19:03.37 | cog|work | hmm *shrug* |
| 19:03.46 | cog|work | Adys: i figured... and answered on his behalf again ;) |
| 19:03.58 | cog|work | we have a psychic connection XD |
| 19:04.07 | Adys | yeah i can feel the voodoo, mon |
| 19:04.08 | Lunessa | Adys: The world can be divided into two camps of people - those using and those being used. Some of the time you're one role, sometimes the other. The trick is for everyone to evolve past those two states. |
| 19:04.14 | Kaso | oh man i was such a fool |
| 19:04.23 | Adys | pities Kaso |
| 19:04.47 | Kaso | in kasosaddon.toc: core.lua\n Dongle.lua |
| 19:04.50 | Kaso | woops :( |
| 19:05.07 | Adys | Lunessa: once again, I disagree |
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| 19:05.25 | Lunessa | Don't stress it too much, I'm old and jaded. |
| 19:06.22 | Adys | at any point in your life you will in some way be used and/or use someone else, Im singling charlapsychics apart because the business is based on denying someone else's lies |
| 19:06.41 | Adys | it's a bit like politics, except you're always wrong |
| 19:07.23 | Lunessa | Adys: We don't disagree. |
| 19:11.08 | batrick | i disagree with everyone |
| 19:11.27 | cog|work | batrick: i disagree with that statement of yours! |
| 19:11.31 | alestane | There's something very onlely about being the only person left in a channel. |
| 19:11.37 | cog|work | tries to rip the fabric of spacetime |
| 19:11.40 | alestane | lonely* |
| 19:12.03 | alestane | closes it back up with that stuff from Billie Mays ads. |
| 19:12.26 | MoonWitch | Well snap http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10158517.stm I love this shit.... |
| 19:13.10 | batrick | linking slashdot stories is kinda pointless here buddy :) |
| 19:13.20 | MoonWitch | Soon the humans of the world will be sality infected and REAL botnets :) |
| 19:13.34 | zenzelezz | batrick: what makes you say that? |
| 19:13.35 | MoonWitch | batrick: just wanted to share my LOL moment with it :) |
| 19:13.48 | cog|work | it's kinda dumb... it's like "hey we can put a virus on an electronic device" (BFD). "Hey we can put an electronic device inside a human body" (BFD). Since when has BFD+BFD = ZOMG? |
| 19:13.49 | zenzelezz | there's lots of funny comments to discuss on Slashdot |
| 19:13.57 | batrick | because 99.9999999% of us are idling reading slashdot? |
| 19:14.01 | MoonWitch | LOL as in ¨Knew it was coming, will be a bitch to clean the virii then¨ |
| 19:14.11 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: because it makes a sensationalist headline |
| 19:14.57 | NightHawkTheSane | batrick: pfft. i'm, idling reading HN |
| 19:15.03 | Dagmar | Slashdot *really* should be above sub-par IQ bullshit like that |
| 19:15.37 | MoonWitch | I idle hoping clients will learn ¨address bar¨ â google search |
| 19:15.48 | batrick | it's a terrible news article but some of the research the guy is doing is new |
| 19:16.19 | MoonWitch | well batrick I apologize for pasting such lowly news that had me chuckling for a moment, I beg your forgiveness |
| 19:16.27 | batrick | you are forgiven |
| 19:16.39 | batrick | now go an sin no more |
| 19:16.48 | NightHawkTheSane | ok, i gotta admit, this is awesome: http://holykaw.alltop.com/ipad-velcro-love-video |
| 19:17.53 | Fisker | it isn't |
| 19:18.04 | Lunessa | batrick: I prefer "go forth and sin some more." |
| 19:21.10 | alestane | One of my college friends' favorite leavetakings was "Be good; or at least take pictures," Lunessa. |
| 19:21.35 | Lunessa | alestane: "If you can't be good, at least be good at it." |
| 19:23.49 | Fisker | i hate the wow forums |
| 19:24.02 | Fisker | it keeps changing character to one i don't have anymore |
| 19:24.30 | alestane | If you're not upsetting *anyone*, you're not accomplishing anything. |
| 19:25.19 | Dagmar | "It is an ill wind which blows no minds." |
| 19:26.00 | Cairenn | "Be good. If you can't be good, be careful. If you can't be careful, name it after me." |
| 19:26.28 | alestane | ROFL, Cairenn. |
| 19:27.59 | Fisker | spies alestane |
| 19:28.11 | alestane | In any case, Lunessa, what I suspect you meant was "Go forth and enjoy yourself." Sad commentary that there's always someone willing to equate them. |
| 19:28.47 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes, it was meant very tongue in cheek. |
| 19:29.10 | Fisker | sticks his tongue on Lunessa's cheek |
| 19:29.14 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 19:29.53 | Lunessa | launches Fisker into orbit without a containment suit. |
| 19:30.17 | Fisker | wouldn't i burn up trying to reach escape velocity? |
| 19:30.33 | Lunessa | Fisker: That would be a delightful bonus. |
| 19:30.51 | Fisker | well you would be wrong |
| 19:30.57 | Fisker | which would be a delightful bonus to me |
| 19:32.38 | olafski | 99.9% in here reads slashdot? interesting figure |
| 19:32.48 | olafski | I wonder if it can be backed with facts :P |
| 19:32.56 | Lunessa | Probably not. |
| 19:33.04 | cog|work | no it was 99.9999999 |
| 19:33.06 | cog|work | :P |
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| 19:34.34 | olafski | even less likely |
| 19:35.02 | Fisker | impossible in fact |
| 19:35.56 | olafski | indeed, there aren't enough users to make that claim |
| 19:36.01 | olafski | but even 99% is unlikely ;) |
| 19:44.34 | cog|work | "sleep deprivation causes special grammar to occur" |
| 19:44.40 | alestane | "I just learned you can mail a coconut. I'll be over in 3 days with the rum." |
| 19:51.57 | Lunessa | alestane: Better start driving then. |
| 19:54.25 | batrick | mmmm |
| 19:58.03 | Kaso | has anyone ever bothered to test if pressing space is quicker/slower/thesame than/as flying vertically upwards? |
| 19:59.58 | zenzelezz | haven't tested, but I tend to get the impression space/X are slower than facing up/down |
| 20:00.10 | cog|work | it's slower, i'm sure |
| 20:00.18 | Fisker | i fucked your sons dog cog|work |
| 20:00.57 | zenzelezz | come on Fisker, seriously... you're more repetitive than the Black Eyed Peas |
| 20:01.33 | Fisker | and still Black Eyed Peas are pretty successful |
| 20:01.53 | zenzelezz | yet you're not |
| 20:02.10 | cog|work | Fisker: lolwut? no has son... |
| 20:02.25 | MoonWitch | daughter then? |
| 20:02.37 | cog|work | the thought of having a child repulses me |
| 20:02.46 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 20:02.57 | zenzelezz | good to know others feel the same |
| 20:03.08 | MoonWitch | I have a 9yr old sister |
| 20:03.15 | cog|work | Seriously... the laughing of a baby grates on my nerves as much as one throwing a tantrum |
| 20:03.18 | MoonWitch | I don´t need or want kids |
| 20:03.34 | foxlit | The BG&E races theme is awesome. |
| 20:03.38 | foxlit | Both of them, even. |
| 20:03.40 | MoonWitch | ps, anyone else having issues with ´ in pidgin (and several other irc clients? |
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| 20:08.35 | Kaso | I just did a very rough test, but the time it took me to fly from the ground to dalaran was 15.289s pressing space and 15.153 flying up, obv my clumsy stopwatching handling gives it a good +/- 0.5s error, but still doesnt seem to be much speed different if any |
| 20:09.17 | zenzelezz | wouldn't surprise me if it was an optical illusion that you go faster |
| 20:09.58 | Kaso | 9.953 seconds falling from dalaran to the ground ;p |
| 20:10.05 | MoonWitch | lmao |
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| 20:11.01 | alestane | With or without a parachute? |
| 20:11.17 | Kaso | freefall |
| 20:11.46 | alestane | Was it foxlit who came up with distance parachuting as a sport? |
| 20:11.49 | zenzelezz | only way to fly |
| 20:11.55 | MoonWitch | with chute woulda been slower |
| 20:11.56 | foxlit | They broke it :( |
| 20:12.03 | Kaso | that makes falling speed approximately 530% speedup |
| 20:12.11 | foxlit | Dalaran no-flight now has a much lower ceiling |
| 20:12.25 | alestane | You only get dismounted if you're within a certain height of Dalaran now, right? |
| 20:12.39 | foxlit | Yep, and that height is rather low |
| 20:12.53 | alestane | No more parachuting into Conquest Hold? |
| 20:13.37 | MoonWitch | hey Seerah |
| 20:13.43 | foxlit | Haven't checked recently |
| 20:13.47 | Seerah | hi, Moonie |
| 20:14.37 | MoonWitch | how´s things? |
| 20:14.47 | Dagmar | alestane: Yeah no more scenic rides to f**king Sholazar |
| 20:15.11 | Dagmar | HOWEVER... |
| 20:15.28 | Dagmar | Don't let your touristy desires lead you into trying to get a good close look at that tower. |
| 20:15.44 | Dagmar | You will get dismounted, and then you will be f**ked without a parachute |
| 20:15.55 | Kaso | what is this parachuting/flying over dalaran thing? fly past on flying mount and time it so you were travelling in the correct distance when you were dismounted and parachuted? |
| 20:15.58 | Seerah | MoonWitch: oh, fine. a little zoned out atm :) |
| 20:16.11 | Dagmar | Options reduce to a) hearth or b) fall to your death in Dalaran for all to see |
| 20:16.13 | MoonWitch | Seerah: share zoning? |
| 20:17.26 | Kaso | i once tested; shaman thunderstorm+slowfall is slower than paladin+310 :( |
| 20:17.30 | Lunessa | alestane: I did it last night for Sunreaver section of Dalaran. |
| 20:17.48 | Fisker | btw anyone seen Shutter Island? |
| 20:18.34 | A-KO | I have |
| 20:18.36 | A-KO | it's alright |
| 20:19.10 | NightHawkTheSane | awesome: some sales jocky comes down looking for our iphone dev to "brainstorm" ideas about doing ipad work, the boss kinda shuffles him out of the room and tells him to talk to the project manager :) |
| 20:19.31 | alestane | Which is who he should be talking to. |
| 20:19.37 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 20:20.19 | alestane | Circumventing the point of contact and talking to the people doing the work is a sure way to mutilate your change control and accountability processes. |
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| 20:20.59 | NightHawkTheSane | which is why it was awesome that he rather quickly got pointed away :) |
| 20:24.15 | NightHawkTheSane | and, now i'm off to a sprint review... |
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| 20:27.53 | cog|work | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/25/AR2010052504396.html |
| 20:28.11 | zenzelezz | "[2. Trade] [...]: lf ppl to sing [Guild Charter] paying 10g in Orgrimmar" - I know it's a simple typo, but it sounds so much more fun than the normal way to do it |
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| 20:29.53 | alestane | Oh man, that is so tempting. |
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| 20:30.27 | Lunessa | BP's topkill live feed: http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html |
| 20:31.13 | alestane | Is it just me, or has Adobe responded to the lack of Flash on the iPhone by stopping Flash updates to Mac OS X? |
| 20:31.36 | batrick | i approve |
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| 20:32.15 | alestane | ~staple MoonWitch |
| 20:32.16 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples MoonWitch quite well, and hands MoonWitch to alestane |
| 20:32.35 | MoonWitch | alestane: I am trying to solve an issue |
| 20:33.10 | MoonWitch | you see my ¨ and ´ are wrong :P at least in IRC applications. ItŠfine everywhere else (yes, locale, input layout etc is fine) |
| 20:33.33 | Dashkal | Yes! This is still a preference for protocol icons next to buddies in pidgin. I should really get off my ass and find a better cross-platform im client |
| 20:33.54 | MoonWitch | xchat for irc |
| 20:34.16 | Dashkal | for irc I use irsii |
| 20:34.49 | Dashkal | irssi* |
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| 20:36.46 | Lunessa | Meh, I use Trillian Astra on Windows 7 and Adium + Colloquy on Mac OSX |
| 20:37.22 | Dashkal | That' |
| 20:37.32 | MoonWitch | that |
| 20:37.35 | MoonWitch | that´ |
| 20:37.36 | Dashkal | That's what I'm trying to avoid. I want to use the same client |
| 20:37.39 | MoonWitch | see the diff? |
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| 20:37.51 | Seerah | She's tried several IRC clients, and they are all replacing her apostrophe with an accent (same with double quotes) |
| 20:37.53 | Dashkal | I'm forever hitting enter with '. |
| 20:38.12 | Seerah | but only IRC clients - not other apps |
| 20:38.31 | MoonWitch | when I type ´ as apostrophe and continue typing, I get a beep. I need to hit space after it (which is normal behavior I suppose when using accents?) |
| 20:39.04 | Lunessa | is a lazy bastard and doesn't type accents. |
| 20:39.04 | Seerah | so her apostrophe turns into an accent over the next letter |
| 20:39.18 | Seerah | I'm out of ideas :) |
| 20:39.23 | MoonWitch | same |
| 20:39.39 | alestane | My regular single apostrophe and tilde do not produce this behavior. The keycombo for opening apo on Mac eludes me at the moment. |
| 20:40.05 | MoonWitch | http://old.nabble.com/-8244:-Pidgin-misbehaves-when-using-deadkeys-%28e.g.-US-International-keyboard-layout%29-td21653267.html well at least I am not alone |
| 20:40.05 | alestane | Sounds like possibly an issue with her IME settings and not her clients. |
| 20:40.06 | Arrowmaster | that sounds like deadkeys |
| 20:40.13 | cog|work | I have windows' alt-combo for é memorized. Seems to be the one accented character I find myself using a lot |
| 20:40.29 | MoonWitch | the deadkeys are fine everywhere, but the IRC client |
| 20:41.04 | Lunessa | cog|work: Too much McCafé in your day? |
| 20:41.12 | MoonWitch | wow .. itÅ unfixable as per devs |
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| 20:41.37 | alestane | Devs of the clients, or the input system? |
| 20:41.46 | Arrowmaster | MoonWitch: your on windows? |
| 20:41.48 | alestane | ' |
| 20:42.00 | Seerah | that page said it was a GTK thing, though I didn't follow the link(s) |
| 20:42.05 | MoonWitch | devs of pidgin cant fix it, its a bug in gtk |
| 20:42.11 | alestane | â |
| 20:42.12 | MoonWitch | yep I am |
| 20:42.24 | alestane | I can't type that caracter AFAICT. |
| 20:42.28 | alestane | character* |
| 20:42.34 | MoonWitch | which is why xchat had the same issue, itÅ also gtk i think |
| 20:42.38 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if now that I can go to HoR it will be the first random heroic I get put in |
| 20:42.59 | cog|work | Lunessa: "Cuvée" mostly (four of our wines are called Cuvée _______) |
| 20:43.04 | Arrowmaster | MoonWitch: whats your windows keyboard set as? |
| 20:43.17 | Lunessa | cog|work: *nod* I was just making a joke. :) |
| 20:43.30 | MoonWitch | US international |
| 20:43.33 | alestane | Opt+e, e. Nice and simple. |
| 20:43.39 | cog|work | you don't joke around with McDonald's "coffee" products |
| 20:43.49 | MoonWitch | as I have to type é (my name has that letter :P) and I frequently type french |
| 20:43.51 | Lunessa | cog|work: Those products are a joke. |
| 20:43.59 | cog|work | a really bad joke |
| 20:44.04 | MoonWitch | so -- solvable by using a diff keyboard layout :( |
| 20:44.27 | alestane | Or a non-GTK client. |
| 20:44.29 | alestane | mIRC? |
| 20:44.35 | Amarande | What's wrong with GTK? |
| 20:44.36 | cog|work | "Oh that's why" was my immediate answer to "why the hell not?" re: trying McDonald's coffee |
| 20:44.51 | Amarande | and more to the point, how does such a ridiculous bug get into this mature of a codebase |
| 20:44.56 | MoonWitch | GTK bug on deadkeys in international keyboard layouts... |
| 20:45.02 | Arrowmaster | MoonWitch: that sounds like normal behavior |
| 20:45.08 | cog|work | Luckily I keep pepcid complete on my desk at work |
| 20:45.10 | MoonWitch | I have NO clue, but it´s known for over 16 months |
| 20:45.23 | Arrowmaster | us international has deadkeys |
| 20:45.24 | alestane | Your opening apostrophe appears to be a different character from my opening apostrophe. |
| 20:45.34 | MoonWitch | thatÅ the bug |
| 20:45.38 | Amarande | of course, I've seen other similarly egregious bugs/lack of support in other rather mature codebases |
| 20:45.46 | Seerah | Arrowmaster: the bug is that it is behaving differently in GTK IRC clients than in other apps |
| 20:45.47 | MoonWitch | itÅ an accent - not an apostrophe |
| 20:45.52 | Amarande | like for instance OpenOffice didn't properly support OTF fonts until like ... the latest version :| |
| 20:46.03 | MoonWitch | let's see |
| 20:46.07 | Seerah | ooohh |
| 20:46.07 | cog|work | I'd honestly take my caffeine in baking soda + water before drinking McCoffee again >< |
| 20:46.08 | Amarande | It used to fail to properly embed them to PDF on Windows, and wouldn't even show them on Linux at all |
| 20:46.12 | MoonWitch | yeah, switching to NON international works |
| 20:46.15 | Arrowmaster | Seerah: except it sounds like its actually working correctly in the gtk apps and incorrectly in some other apps |
| 20:46.22 | alestane | Which you're apparently using as an apostrophe, although it sounds like it's unintentional. |
| 20:46.32 | MoonWitch | well know other gtk appz I can test it with :) |
| 20:46.38 | Arrowmaster | MoonWitch: http://keyboards.jargon-file.org/#us-gen try that alternate one |
| 20:46.40 | Seerah | but is it *supposed* to be accenting letters like s, l, t, etc. instead of just vowels? |
| 20:46.49 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:46.54 | Arrowmaster | Å |
| 20:46.54 | Amarande | it's not infrequent for ` to be used as an apostrophe in computers, anyway |
| 20:47.04 | Amarande | primarily, because ' is often a control character |
| 20:47.17 | Arrowmaster | altgr+'+s = Å for me |
| 20:47.21 | MoonWitch | the only reason I opt for int'l US - is cuz I have to work in French a good deal |
| 20:47.39 | Amarande | then there's things like that ` is allowed in IRC nicks but ' is not |
| 20:48.16 | Arrowmaster | MoonWitch: i find us intl annoying so i use us intl without deadkeys, on linux its called altgr-intl variant |
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| 20:48.46 | Amarande | wtf. |
| 20:48.59 | Amarande | is with weapons, clearly DPS looking, that are cursed with blue sockets. |
| 20:49.02 | Amarande | DIE EVIL BLUE SOCKETS |
| 20:49.15 | MoonWitch | try being a disc priest and having all blue sockets |
| 20:49.26 | Amarande | MoonWitch: at least mp5 is blue, and often useful to healers |
| 20:49.36 | MoonWitch | well my mp5 is int ;) |
| 20:49.36 | Fisker | i'm playing the game |
| 20:49.37 | Amarande | blue is the utter scrappy color for DPS, though |
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| 20:49.57 | Amarande | unless you are somehow in some serious dire need of 300 extra HP, and then what you REALLY need is better gear, not a gem |
| 20:49.58 | alestane | I think they do that so that they don't have to strip so many other stats off the weapon. |
| 20:50.12 | alestane | But in Cata, +hit is supposed to become blue. |
| 20:50.17 | Amarande | wait, do blue sockets have a lower item budget than other colors? |
| 20:50.42 | alestane | No, but if the socket can't easily be devoted to the best stats for the item's targt audience. |
| 20:50.44 | alestane | ... |
| 20:50.55 | MoonWitch | oh well screw accents then |
| 20:51.15 | alestane | You can use a green or purple gem, or you can forfeit your socket bonus. |
| 20:51.16 | Fisker | would be sweet if they could make it worthwhile to get socket bonuses |
| 20:51.35 | Amarande | ooh, lots of sweet loot potential from H HoR |
| 20:51.44 | alestane | From what I hear, plenty of people just say that depending on your role and spec, socket bonuses aren't worth it. |
| 20:51.47 | Amarande | alestane: are there ever any green gems that don't suck, though :) |
| 20:52.01 | Amarande | I remember in BC you couldn't sell even uncut talasite on AH to save your life |
| 20:52.04 | Amarande | because green gems were just junk |
| 20:52.16 | Lunessa | Most socket bonuses are pretty small. |
| 20:52.16 | Amarande | hmm, what's my daily heroic |
| 20:52.18 | Amarande | PoS, it looks like |
| 20:52.20 | Kaso | Using dongle can i get a frame from dongle to pass to SetOverrideBinding as it's owner? |
| 20:52.28 | Fisker | alestane that's mostly because all gems you use are red |
| 20:52.34 | alestane | Like if you're a bear tank, I guess the prevailing opinion is that you socket pure stamina into EVERYTHING, and f*&k the +6 hit or whatever the socket bonus is. |
| 20:52.38 | Fisker | and also because the socket bonuses suck |
| 20:52.55 | Fisker | granted it shouldn't be so easy that you can say +10 str bonus? just use 10 crit/str, fixt |
| 20:53.11 | Fisker | some more +6 and +8 str bonuses would be nice though |
| 20:53.25 | Kraps | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/esports/clashfansites/index.html |
| 20:53.54 | Fisker | my care face Kraps |
| 20:54.15 | alestane | But overall, Amarande, socket colors are mostly there to make playing around with stats less painful overall. They give items a more varied set of potential stats, instead of just making them more OMG awesome. |
| 20:54.50 | alestane | In spite of which most people just look up somewhere what the numerically "optimal" option will be. |
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| 20:59.25 | Lunessa | alestane: *nod* Specialization is rewarded greatly. |
| 21:00.19 | alestane | Raiding environments usually do indeed reward those who pick one role and super-specialize, and make up for it in group composition instead. |
| 21:00.39 | alestane | Try to do two jobs and you will fail at both. |
| 21:02.16 | Lunessa | Yeah. There's a reason people stack a lot of their "primary" stat. |
| 21:03.39 | foxlit | "Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM warning: Exception java.lang.OutOfMemoryError occurred dispatching signal Unknown Signal to handler- the VM may need to be forcibly terminated" |
| 21:04.58 | Fisker | i hotspot u |
| 21:05.36 | Kraps | jimmy kimmel absolutely burns jay leno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axwO6BkCtIo&feature=channel |
| 21:06.40 | Fisker | i burned you Kraps |
| 21:07.14 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 21:07.46 | Kraps | http://yourargumentisinvalid.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/node/gatling_lincoln_0.jpg |
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| 21:10.23 | foxlit | In some ways, I'm annoyed that there is more Stamina on melee PvP gear |
| 21:15.01 | Lunessa | foxlit: When I put on my crappy PVP gear I have insane levels of health. |
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| 21:16.51 | Thunder_Child | i dont, i barely hit 30K |
| 21:19.19 | Antiarc | I'm annoyed that plate has so much more HP than leather and cloth |
| 21:19.28 | Antiarc | Arms warriors rolling around with 40k HP is just wrong |
| 21:19.38 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 21:19.41 | Fisker | stares |
| 21:19.43 | Antiarc | hey Fisker |
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| 21:20.18 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc: how could you be annoyed by that? thats how it's supposed to be |
| 21:20.31 | Fisker | boooot? |
| 21:21.00 | Antiarc | When I have a full third less HP in leather, it's a problem. :P |
| 21:21.00 | Fisker | not in cataclysm it aint |
| 21:21.20 | Fisker | i don't see how it's a problem either way |
| 21:21.23 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc: not everything is supposed to be equal |
| 21:21.44 | Gnarfoz | can you SendAddonMessage-WHISPER yourself? |
| 21:22.07 | Antiarc | Sure, differences are good, but the gaps are large to the point that it introduces extreme imbalances. |
| 21:22.13 | Fisker | can you whisper yourself Gnarfoz ? |
| 21:22.26 | Thunder_Child | Antiarc: how would you know how things are ballanced? |
| 21:22.43 | Antiarc | ...because I do a lot of arena on multiple classes? |
| 21:22.55 | Antiarc | Because I see stats in aggregate? |
| 21:23.04 | Fisker | the best arena combo is those with 1/3 less hp |
| 21:23.10 | Fisker | discussion is hereby over |
| 21:23.10 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 21:27.29 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: sure can |
| 21:27.56 | Gnarfoz | anyone who can answer? don't have wow handy to test :( |
| 21:34.17 | Fisker | man that was easy Thunder_Child |
| 21:34.57 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: what was? |
| 21:35.36 | Fisker | [23:27:07] <Fisker> the best arena combo is those with 1/3 less hp |
| 21:35.36 | Fisker | [23:27:12] <Fisker> discussion is hereby over |
| 21:35.37 | Fisker | :3 |
| 21:35.38 | Amarande | ok, that was odd |
| 21:35.50 | Amarande | anyone ever have Tyrannus glitch up in PoS and never become attackable? |
| 21:35.55 | Fisker | i cashed in big at the troll bank |
| 21:36.02 | Amarande | this one warrior who was in group with us (it happened this time) swears it happens every time he goes to PoS |
| 21:36.16 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/box/plan.png :*( |
| 21:36.17 | Amarande | myself, it was my fourth total time (one normal, three heroic) I'd been there, and the first time I'd seen it cack up |
| 21:36.38 | Amarande | ended up having to requeue the party elsewhere to avoid deserter debuffs and did UK :S |
| 21:37.35 | Amarande | on another note, apparently I'm an atlasloot noob |
| 21:37.43 | Amarande | I keep wondering why heroic ick and krick don't drop the items I was looking for |
| 21:37.53 | Amarande | ... it's because those items drop from *normal* ick and krick *headdesk* |
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| 21:44.13 | Dashkal | Amarande: I've had that happen, but the fix was to wipe. It worked on attempt 2 |
| 21:44.27 | Dashkal | Just had the pali DI a resser |
| 21:45.59 | Fisker | lol |
| 21:46.13 | Fisker | i just found out my hunter had t10-25 chest and i haven't even enchanted or gemmed it |
| 21:47.31 | Kraps | ~failsker |
| 21:47.41 | Amarande | Dashkal: we tried that and still were glitched |
| 21:49.20 | Kaso | Am i allowed to swear in my addon's name on wowi/curse? |
| 21:49.52 | MoonWitch | I refer you to DamnQuestIcons by Shadowed |
| 21:50.03 | MoonWitch | I believe that's about as far it's allowed though. |
| 21:50.21 | MoonWitch | I doubt the F-word would be allowed |
| 21:50.33 | MoonWitch | Seerah: Ping! (Or Cairenn Ping) |
| 21:50.40 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: ? |
| 21:50.52 | MoonWitch | Kaso's question about naming policy |
| 21:50.54 | Seerah | They *should* be PG rated |
| 21:51.11 | Seerah | since we get kids on the site |
| 21:51.18 | Cairenn | what she said |
| 21:51.36 | Kaso | what's PG in America? is OhShit okay? |
| 21:51.36 | Cairenn | we allow a certain amount (see the example MoonWitch gave) |
| 21:51.38 | Cairenn | but yeah |
| 21:51.56 | malreth | stops work on his new "Ass Ass Ass" addon |
| 21:52.38 | Seerah | malreth: could call it AAA :) |
| 21:52.40 | Kaso | Well my next one was to be "WhoTheFuck" so perhaps ill rephrase that one ;p |
| 21:52.46 | MoonWitch | :) |
| 21:52.50 | Kaso | frak works ;p |
| 21:53.00 | MoonWitch | I would WhoTheGosse? |
| 21:53.13 | MoonWitch | But that's just cuz I am a firefly fan |
| 21:53.43 | Cairenn | Kaso: that one is fine by me |
| 21:54.11 | Cairenn | "Whothefrak" |
| 21:54.12 | MoonWitch | Ifigured that no one better than you guys to answer that one :P |
| 21:54.21 | MoonWitch | or rather girls |
| 21:54.24 | Cairenn | :) |
| 21:54.45 | MoonWitch | oh yeah, assuming you still have the same haircolor, can I steal it? :P |
| 21:54.57 | MoonWitch | (gonna re-invent me in about 2 months) |
| 21:55.07 | Kaso | who the frak is to be my "who casted that knockback" addon :) |
| 21:55.24 | Kaso | the name inspired by what comes out of my mouth when it happens when im tanking |
| 21:55.40 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: I can tell you which box it comes out of, yes ;) |
| 21:56.28 | Seerah | MoonWitch: you don't want mine? :p |
| 21:56.46 | Seerah | but at least Cairenn's has a box - will be easier to copy ;) |
| 21:57.16 | Cairenn | grumps at her Dad's side of the family |
| 21:57.40 | Thunder_Child | ...not to Seerah, box has another meaning |
| 21:57.44 | Thunder_Child | note* |
| 21:57.55 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: :p |
| 21:58.03 | Seerah | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 21:58.03 | purl | urinates on Thunder_Child |
| 21:58.10 | Thunder_Child | sadly apt |
| 21:58.13 | malreth | hawt |
| 21:58.16 | Seerah | ... haven't seen that one before... |
| 21:58.24 | malreth | purl is dirty |
| 21:58.49 | cog|work | Fisker's Shirik around a bit with a large malreth |
| 21:58.54 | cog|work | s/'// |
| 22:01.14 | Fisker | i fucked your sons Fisker cog|work |
| 22:01.27 | MoonWitch | Cairenn, I'm 27, I cried on that one particular day, didn't stop for a few days either :P Now, I'm over it - but my brown hair is boring the hell out of me ;) |
| 22:03.32 | Lunessa | Seerah: I *heart* your innocent nature. |
| 22:04.08 | MoonWitch | Lunessa: she is innocent isn't she? |
| 22:04.14 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa |
| 22:04.28 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: Despite repeated exposure to my salacious nature. |
| 22:04.35 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 22:04.41 | malreth | i haven't tried to corrupt her yet |
| 22:04.42 | MoonWitch | You're not salacious |
| 22:04.57 | MoonWitch | you're just an interesting witty person with a dirty mind :P |
| 22:04.58 | Thunder_Child | innocent? not quite |
| 22:05.04 | Lunessa | lunessa is a bad, bad, man. Malreth can vouch. |
| 22:05.23 | Lunessa | I hit on all of his mistresses. |
| 22:05.27 | malreth | Lunessa's a teddy bear. |
| 22:05.50 | Thunder_Child | Seerah is innocent like the CIA is slightly secretive |
| 22:05.57 | malreth | do not fear Lunessa. in fact, feel free to caress his body with that of your own. |
| 22:06.02 | MoonWitch | wait.. mistresses? Leather/latex/whip/paddle? |
| 22:06.11 | Thunder_Child | that would be Cairenn |
| 22:06.25 | MoonWitch | I like Cairenn even more now.. |
| 22:06.28 | Cairenn | flutters lashes sweetly |
| 22:06.42 | Shadowed | It's a trap! |
| 22:07.05 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: I can neither confirm nor deny allegations of sexual deviancy on my part. The photos and negatives have all been destroyed. |
| 22:07.19 | malreth | I GO HOMES NOW |
| 22:08.18 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa doesnt have to confirm or deny it, everyone else will |
| 22:08.40 | MoonWitch | That's what I thought too about one drunken night, a webcam and a challenge... 2yrs later, I got sent a picture of myself in a not so nice manner... |
| 22:08.52 | Lunessa | There is a reason I never ran for public office. |
| 22:09.58 | Thunder_Child | yes, but that had nothing to do with the 'other' activities |
| 22:11.11 | Cairenn | wonders where everyone gets these ideas that she's got some kinks |
| 22:11.19 | Shadowed | This is the internet |
| 22:11.21 | MoonWitch | That I do not know |
| 22:11.21 | Shadowed | facts come second |
| 22:11.25 | Shadowed | random theories come first |
| 22:11.29 | Lunessa | isn't touching that with a 20' pole. |
| 22:11.29 | MoonWitch | But do you? |
| 22:11.36 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: *wink* |
| 22:11.40 | MoonWitch | Since I am the curious one ;) |
| 22:11.48 | MoonWitch | yeah let's roll back that wink |
| 22:11.52 | MoonWitch | (my wink) |
| 22:12.00 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:12.11 | Cairenn | I don't bite .... too hard |
| 22:12.16 | MoonWitch | I work in an all-male team other then myself |
| 22:12.18 | Lunessa | you said curious. Do you know what you've done to the minds of every male in the channel? |
| 22:12.40 | MoonWitch | I see ambiguity in everything, as did Lunessa there .. he proved my point of walking it back |
| 22:12.41 | Thunder_Child | MoonWitch: you are an all male team? |
| 22:12.54 | MoonWitch | other then me, I work in one yes |
| 22:13.09 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: loads of fun, isn't it? |
| 22:13.09 | MoonWitch | I am one of 4 women in the intl tech dept of my company |
| 22:13.18 | MoonWitch | it's interesting to say the least |
| 22:13.23 | Cairenn | They can't decide whether to hit on you or try to protect you |
| 22:13.25 | MoonWitch | wear something open and nothing gets done all day |
| 22:13.30 | MoonWitch | actually no |
| 22:13.30 | Cairenn | Indeed |
| 22:13.35 | MoonWitch | I usually confuse them |
| 22:13.46 | MoonWitch | I make a lesbian comment and they're lost for a few hours |
| 22:13.53 | Cairenn | Hehehe, yep |
| 22:13.57 | MoonWitch | I love just watching them utterly lost and confused |
| 22:14.04 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 22:14.05 | Cairenn | I looooooved teasing the pilots |
| 22:14.23 | MoonWitch | it's also awesome fun when your BOSS is intimidated by you |
| 22:14.34 | Cairenn | I always made sure they weren't tasked to go up, first, though |
| 22:14.55 | MoonWitch | yeah |
| 22:14.59 | MoonWitch | that's best |
| 22:15.00 | MoonWitch | lol |
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| 22:15.37 | cog|work | the men will return to the channel momentarily... |
| 22:15.58 | Cairenn | *dws* |
| 22:16.01 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 22:16.25 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: you've GOT to make it out to BC some time |
| 22:16.39 | MoonWitch | Canada? |
| 22:16.43 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: we could have a whole hell of a lot of fun *wink* |
| 22:16.47 | Cairenn | BlizzCon |
| 22:16.52 | MoonWitch | Ah.. |
| 22:17.06 | Kraps | [06:15:46]<cog|work>the men will return to the channel momentarily... so anyone wanna see my penis? |
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| 22:17.17 | MoonWitch | I will at one point, but what happens at BC, stays at BC - without pictures *wink* |
| 22:17.29 | Cairenn | purrs at MoonWitch |
| 22:17.33 | MoonWitch | Now - Seerah's gotta get involved too... Ping ;) |
| 22:17.44 | Cairenn | and Lopeppeppy |
| 22:17.55 | Arrowmaster | needs blizzcon tickets now |
| 22:18.00 | MoonWitch | yeah ... :P |
| 22:18.05 | Seerah | MoonWitch: we're going again this year |
| 22:18.19 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: not really... most of the fun happens outside the convention center ;) |
| 22:18.24 | Lunessa | WOO! Seerah FANTASTIC! |
| 22:18.32 | Seerah | would you be good by October, though? Granted, also, 'twould be an international flight for you |
| 22:18.34 | Amarande | soooo |
| 22:18.51 | Amarande | do you think the real id thing is going to significantly alter the nature of WoW in unexpected and double-edged ways? |
| 22:18.56 | MoonWitch | That's awesome... I am hoping on next year, but I trust you and Cairenn (and Lopeppeppy) will be there too :P |
| 22:19.05 | Cairenn | rawr! |
| 22:19.08 | Amarande | wonders in particular if people will use /w a lot more and /1 and /2 a lot less, especially when it comes to PvP activity |
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| 22:19.17 | Thunder_Child | no, there are many pictures taken there MoonWitch |
| 22:19.18 | Amarande | because it seems to me |
| 22:19.20 | Amarande | that the real id friends list thing |
| 22:19.23 | MoonWitch | I cant get vacation then, I want at least 3 weeks to go to the US |
| 22:19.32 | Amarande | will make it a LOT easier for people to betray their faction when PvP stuff is being planned |
| 22:19.48 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: what pvp stuff? nobody does world pvp |
| 22:19.52 | Amarande | e.g., let's say persons A and B were slighted |
| 22:20.00 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: if they're going to be taking pics anyway, though ... we might as well give them a good show, hey? *dws* |
| 22:20.08 | Amarande | people A and B on Horde don't get along. B and C are real ID friends, and C is ally |
| 22:20.19 | Xyphoid | real ID is terrible |
| 22:20.22 | MoonWitch | Cairenn: I agree ... Question is what to wear -- or not wear |
| 22:20.24 | Amarande | next thing ... I can see B ratting out A's Stormwind invasion plan to C and resulting in the horde raid getting squished utterly |
| 22:20.24 | Thunder_Child | MoonWitch: done belive Cairenn, she always hides |
| 22:20.32 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: purr |
| 22:20.34 | cog|work | Thunder_Child: not always |
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| 22:20.38 | cog|work | *DWS* |
| 22:20.42 | Amarande | (which would suck, because, if nothing else, varian wrynn deserves to die as often as humanly possible :P) |
| 22:20.51 | MoonWitch | If I come all the way from Belgium to meet up -- She won't hide - much :D |
| 22:21.00 | Thunder_Child | cog|work: exibit A, B, and C would say yes there might be a boss at the end of one of these short ones, it's been a while since i have bee |
| 22:21.08 | Thunder_Child | err...wow fail copy paste |
| 22:21.14 | Amarande | Varian Wrynn makes certain people here the day Cairenn had to put her foot down sound like pleasant company :) |
| 22:21.18 | Cairenn | MoonWitch: if you come over, I promise I won't bite .... too hard .... you don't mind a little nibbling though, right? |
| 22:21.29 | Xyphoid | i can't see real ID changing that scenario much, because B and C right now can just use IM |
| 22:21.34 | Seerah | you tease her too much :p |
| 22:21.37 | MoonWitch | Not at all, wouldn't be fun without some nibbs ;) |
| 22:21.41 | Amarande | also, will the facebook integration cause WoW relationships to start having effects on people's real lives that it doesn't already? |
| 22:21.45 | Xyphoid | unless you think a lot of people are going to use real ID who don't know each other in real life now |
| 22:21.45 | Iriel | Amarande: how is that different from vent/mumble/yahoo/aim/whatever today? |
| 22:22.21 | Shadowed | It's not Facebook integration as far as I know? |
| 22:22.22 | Amarande | Iriel: the fact that Blizzard is openly sanctioning cross-faction communications now? |
| 22:22.24 | Amarande | they used to not |
| 22:22.27 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 22:22.30 | Shadowed | All it is, is a way of adding people to your realid using facebook emails |
| 22:22.37 | Cairenn | Seerah: you know I'm an equal opportunity flirt |
| 22:22.37 | Fisker | can you feel my cold hands of death upon your knickers? |
| 22:22.41 | Shadowed | Amarande: They are sanctioning it between friends, not everyone |
| 22:22.43 | Seerah | I know :) |
| 22:22.46 | Shadowed | which is slightly different |
| 22:23.15 | Xyphoid | it's kind of interesting that wow is moving towards more facebooky stuff right when facebook's getting a backlash |
| 22:23.22 | MoonWitch | Yeah, but Cairenn, we can't leave Seerah out of it. She'll be all sad. *wink at Seerah* |
| 22:23.30 | Cairenn | Oh, no fear there |
| 22:23.49 | Amarande | also, I had to write on the blackboard today |
| 22:24.10 | Amarande | "I am just a T9 dps death knight, I cannot do the oracles daily by pulling the entire frenzyheart gladiator ring" |
| 22:24.17 | Amarande | heh, I wonder if anyone can get away with that |
| 22:24.20 | Amarande | maybe ICC geared tanks |
| 22:24.26 | Xyphoid | anyone in tank gear can |
| 22:26.21 | Amarande | as DPS, I can pull 8-10 of them at a time, but the whole ring handed me my pretty little female blood elf butt |
| 22:26.41 | MoonWitch | mmmm |
| 22:26.44 | MoonWitch | oh ... awww |
| 22:26.54 | MoonWitch | (composure matters) |
| 22:27.46 | Lunessa | composure is over-rated. |
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| 22:28.16 | Kraps | bibi! |
| 22:33.21 | Bibi | Kraps! |
| 22:33.56 | Kraps | moar cata info pl0x |
| 22:34.17 | Kraps | make shit up |
| 22:35.19 | MoonWitch | well, my dear Cairenn and Seerah, I shall be going to bed with sweet dreams *wink* |
| 22:35.24 | Thunder_Child | druids barkskin now stuns all enemies within 100 yards |
| 22:35.31 | Cairenn | sleep well ;) |
| 22:35.37 | Seerah | night night, Moonie |
| 22:36.00 | Fisker | i'm pretty awesome Thunder_Child |
| 22:36.04 | Dashkal | Amarande: I did that ulduar gear as a blood tank |
| 22:36.23 | Dashkal | naxx10 gear |
| 22:36.35 | Dashkal | only two ulduar pieces |
| 22:37.04 | Dashkal | My biggest problem was looting before respawn :P |
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| 22:47.07 | Dagmar | Damn the footage from the LA marshes is nightmarish |
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| 22:52.15 | Thunder_Child | marshes or marches? |
| 22:52.33 | cog|work | Marshes |
| 22:52.36 | cog|work | LA = louisiana |
| 22:53.07 | cog|work | http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/oil_reaches_louisiana_shores.html |
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| 22:57.36 | Amarande | yay, got the 232 1H sword from H HoR |
| 22:59.18 | Amarande | also, they really ought to work a little on the graphics for the shinies oracles daily |
| 22:59.33 | Amarande | sadly, the way it's drawn, it always looks like the shinies were pooed out by the guy you bring with you to dig them up :P |
| 23:00.16 | Fisker | i didn't get a 1h sword from H HoR |
| 23:01.52 | Kraps | cuz you suck Fisker |
| 23:03.42 | Amarande | liar's tongue |
| 23:03.46 | Amarande | comes from the lich king gauntlet |
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| 23:07.30 | Amarande | heh now EG is saying I should be doing ToGC10 already |
| 23:07.42 | Amarande | after I get a head enchant, EG. after I get a head enchant. |
| 23:09.24 | Cide | clearly your head enchant is going to make the difference |
| 23:09.30 | Cide | and not your skill |
| 23:09.37 | Cide | oh wait I totally got that wrong! |
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| 23:11.39 | Kraps | Cide: dont hate |
| 23:12.58 | Fisker | Cide |
| 23:12.59 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 23:13.06 | Cide | I'm glad |
| 23:13.56 | cog|work | Fisker heads, Fisker heads... rolly polly Fisker heads |
| 23:14.59 | Xyphoid | this 20% buff is funny, 13k hp people coming to marrowgar now! |
| 23:15.48 | Kraps | Fisker: i hate myself |
| 23:16.03 | Tuller | nanananananana batman |
| 23:16.38 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25026436710/what-if-murlocs-were-real/ |
| 23:18.47 | Bibi | ..... |
| 23:18.49 | Bibi | the worst thing is |
| 23:18.57 | Bibi | that's probably the most interesting thing I'll have to post tomorrow. |
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| 23:18.59 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 23:19.02 | Bibi | facepalms |
| 23:19.25 | *** join/#wowuidev gain (~gain@unaffiliated/gain) |
| 23:19.27 | gain | hi |
| 23:19.28 | Cide | you can post about me |
| 23:19.28 | NeoTron | Kraps: omgwtfbbq |
| 23:19.29 | gain | can i ask a question about macros here |
| 23:19.31 | NeoTron | that's awesome |
| 23:19.34 | Cide | and my awesome site |
| 23:19.43 | cbreak | ask. |
| 23:19.46 | Bibi | sure |
| 23:19.49 | Bibi | what's your awesome site |
| 23:19.54 | Cide | :( |
| 23:19.56 | Cide | not done yet. |
| 23:20.01 | Cide | give me a month or three |
| 23:20.16 | gain | i want to do something like this in 1 button. hold ctrl - disenchant. hold shift it will say to trade /2 LFW [enchanting] link... and pressing no modifier will bring up enchanting |
| 23:22.51 | NeoTron | Kraps: better question is, do they make this distinct sound before they devour you? |
| 23:24.56 | cog|work | gain: you're not going to get very far without an addon to help out (in which case you might as well just use the addon) |
| 23:26.41 | cog|work | chat commands aren't controlled by options and there's no easy way to insert an item link into a macro, so you'd probably need a fair bit of Lua code in a /run command |
| 23:30.30 | gain | bah |
| 23:30.37 | gain | know any addons that can do something like that for me lol |
| 23:35.27 | cbreak | I think you'll have to write an addon for that. A macro might not have enough space |
| 23:35.32 | cbreak | unless they changed it |
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| 23:41.36 | Antiarc | I'mma post this here since I pasted it late last night |
| 23:41.37 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvX1Wa4Nxkk |
| 23:42.26 | Fisker | no u Antiarc |
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| 23:43.27 | Fisker | your palatank is a huge turd Antiarc |
| 23:43.34 | Zyn | suddenly, blue post "We are making changes in an attempt to break HudMap. Also, all boss-mechanics are now completely random and much harder to predict. The boss might even Enrage on pull." |
| 23:43.37 | Zyn | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 23:43.43 | Antiarc | haha |
| 23:45.17 | Amarande | link? |
| 23:46.01 | Amarande | why do I have a feeling that the hudmap/avr arms race is going to end in being unable to have any bossmods addons at all |
| 23:46.13 | Amarande | and we're going to have to rely on obscure visual cues to know what to do in cata |
| 23:46.30 | Amarande | thus making raiding an exclusive guild thing where if your job doesn't let you have the right hours off regularly enough, too bad |
| 23:46.31 | Fisker | do you hear me Antiarc ? |
| 23:46.41 | Cide | obscure visual clues? |
| 23:46.43 | Cide | please |
| 23:46.52 | Cide | it's perfectly fine to raid without boss mods as it is |
| 23:47.10 | Fisker | Good luck on Lich King |
| 23:47.16 | Cide | thank you |
| 23:47.16 | Antiarc | It's not really an arms race since I've asked Blizzard if it's against the spirit of the AVR banning, and they haven't said it was :P |
| 23:47.28 | Lunessa | I'll be honest, I have DXE installed, and I mostly ignore it. |
| 23:47.52 | Amarande | I installed DBM 'cause I'm probably gonna need it when I first start going to raids |
| 23:47.59 | WobWork | why not BigWigs? |
| 23:48.12 | Antiarc | I use all sorts of mods, but I'm also an infoholic and love having as much information as possible at my fingertips |
| 23:48.13 | WobWork | It's like DBM, but gets updated first =) |
| 23:48.47 | MoonWitch | So again I can't sleep |
| 23:48.58 | Fisker | It's actually funny that have Blizzard have mechanics that are basically impossible to detect without the use of addons |
| 23:49.10 | Cide | only if you're bad |
| 23:49.11 | kd3 | meh. I stopped using DBM when they advertised goldsellers |
| 23:49.24 | MoonWitch | well, BW has one disadvantage for me personally - the older modules require Ace2 |
| 23:49.28 | WobWork | kd3: what, ingame? |
| 23:49.33 | kd3 | on the website |
| 23:49.34 | Fisker | Cide "impossible" isn't a degree of being hard |
| 23:49.37 | WobWork | older modules? |
| 23:49.44 | MoonWitch | vanilla and bc |
| 23:49.47 | Antiarc | Blizzard is usually really good at giving distinct visual cues |
| 23:49.50 | Cide | "impossible" is an overstatement and thus the reality is a degree of being hard |
| 23:49.56 | Fisker | it isn't really |
| 23:49.58 | Torhal | Amarande: Do you regularly practice at coming up with worst-case scenerios? :D |
| 23:50.00 | Cide | it is |
| 23:50.04 | Fisker | no |
| 23:50.14 | Cide | rage |
| 23:50.19 | Fisker | energy |
| 23:50.30 | Torhal | Cide: Don't make Fisker sue for royalties. |
| 23:50.32 | MoonWitch | I can't remember which one, but there are one or two that installed a shitload of older libs .. But I do prefer BW over DBM .. I like the update frequency, the ease of use.. Currently test riding DXE though :) |
| 23:50.42 | Antiarc | Marrowgar spikes are impossible to miss, Deathwhisper MCs are impossible to miss, Gunship rocket strikes are impossible to miss, Deathbringer marks are impossible to miss, etc. |
| 23:50.53 | Cide | Torhal: I'm not really trolling though |
| 23:50.59 | Fisker | neither am i |
| 23:51.04 | Cide | I know |
| 23:51.11 | Torhal | Cide: I know, but you said "rage" |
| 23:51.12 | Antiarc | I agree with Cide, though, you can raid without boss mods. Boss mods make it easier, though. |
| 23:51.21 | Amarande | Antiarc: sure, but the trouble is that in many battles, you almost have to know something is coming *before* you see it begin to happen |
| 23:51.22 | Antiarc | Especially if you don't already know the encounter |
| 23:51.25 | Amarande | when you see it start to happen, it's too late |
| 23:51.30 | Antiarc | Like what? |
| 23:51.38 | Lunessa | Mostly what I use DXE is ... the warning for buffs/debuffs I might miss in my tunnel vision. |
| 23:51.39 | Fisker | Antiarc i'd like you to handle LK25 without bossmods |
| 23:51.49 | MoonWitch | And yes, it is very possible to raid without boss mods ... Antiarc agreement |
| 23:51.53 | Antiarc | Fisker: Defile would be tricky, sure, but even that wouldn't be impossible. |
| 23:52.01 | Fisker | i didn't say it would be |
| 23:52.04 | Amarande | MoonWitch: once you've learned the encounters anyway |
| 23:52.05 | WobWork | Amarande: well... yes. They're not designed for people to walk over the very first time they see the encounter |
| 23:52.13 | MoonWitch | Amarande: indeed :) |
| 23:52.25 | Antiarc | You're implying that LK25 is not beatable without boss mods |
| 23:52.29 | Antiarc | Which is patently false |
| 23:52.31 | Amarande | unless you have an eidetic memory for wow sites, though, you're probably not going to be able to learn it without more trouble than most raiders are willing to allow you to have, without bossmods, though |
| 23:52.38 | WobWork | Lady Deathwhisper yells: IMA CHARGIN MAH LAZER!!! |
| 23:52.38 | Fisker | no Antiarc |
| 23:52.39 | foxlit | Patently false is now your middle name, Fisker. |
| 23:52.46 | Antiarc | You would simply have to memory the defile/valk order |
| 23:52.47 | Fisker | i'm implying that you haven't tried LK25 without addons |
| 23:52.56 | Fisker | you can't memory it |
| 23:52.58 | WobWork | Fisker 'Patently False' Trolliski |
| 23:52.59 | Antiarc | valk, defile, valk, quick defile, valk, long wait, defile |
| 23:53.02 | Antiarc | Yes you can. |
| 23:53.03 | MoonWitch | And this is why in my guild the boss mods are enforced, out of the so many who want to raid - 2 ppl read tactics/watch a vid (me and our other healer) |
| 23:53.09 | Amarande | most raiders expect you to know and be able to handle the encounters from the get go, apparently :| |
| 23:53.10 | Fisker | oh lol you meant memorize the whole encounter |
| 23:53.11 | Fisker | then yes |
| 23:53.12 | Antiarc | They're fixed timers and happen on a fixed timeline |
| 23:53.21 | Amarande | (also, they expect you to have a high enough GS that you can't possibly use any loot from the encounter, unless it's ICC) |
| 23:53.24 | Antiarc | Defile is the only thing that a bossmod timer makes massively easier |
| 23:53.33 | Fisker | that was my point |
| 23:53.38 | WobWork | Amarande: no that's the players |
| 23:53.45 | Torhal | MoonWitch: I know you've been back on-and-off for months now, but this is the first I've seen you actively active (yes, I said it) - welcome back! |
| 23:53.45 | Antiarc | P2 is "collapse, spread out, collapse", etc |
| 23:53.48 | WobWork | not Blizzard |
| 23:53.50 | Cide | so |
| 23:53.53 | Cide | what does defile even do? |
| 23:54.03 | Amarande | you know, come to think of it, I wonder if a lot of the people obsessed with GS to invite are actually undergeared themselves, and trying to weed out people who might compete with them for the loot ... |
| 23:54.51 | MoonWitch | lol on my server they seem to expect a gs so that you can't even get into the group unless you can't use any loot anymore LOL |
| 23:54.51 | WobWork | Amarande: welcome to GS =P |
| 23:54.51 | Antiarc | LK puts defile on a person. 2 sec later, the person drops a black puddle, about 8 yards in radius |
| 23:54.52 | MoonWitch | Torhal : Thanks :) Great to be back... |
| 23:54.52 | foxlit | It's a "don't stand in me" fire which expands as people stand in it, Cide. |
| 23:54.52 | Antiarc | If anyone is standing in the puddle, it grows, per tick |
| 23:54.52 | Fisker | However there are no reasonable way to say avoid goos Putricide as a melee for example |
| 23:54.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@68-191-37-155.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 23:54.52 | Amarande | If you demand a 6k GS from anyone who joins *with* you |
| 23:54.52 | foxlit | eyes, Fisker. Eyes. |
| 23:54.52 | Cide | does it expand extremely fast? |
| 23:54.52 | Fisker | no foxlit |
| 23:54.52 | Antiarc | So if 2-3 people are in defile, it'll start growing faster than they can get out of it, and it'll cover teh whole platform and wipe the raidd |
| 23:54.52 | Amarande | then unless you're in ICC, you probably aren't going to have anyone trying to roll on loot you're after from the raid ... |
| 23:54.55 | Cide | ah |
| 23:54.55 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out. See you guys tomorrow. |
| 23:54.57 | Cide | that's pretty hilarious |
| 23:55.00 | Antiarc | If you have a few people in it, yes, it expands too fast to escape |
| 23:55.12 | MoonWitch | well the general rule is - spread out unless otherwise noted and gtfo of shit on the floor instantly |
| 23:55.20 | Antiarc | So you have to spread out just before it drops, but you have to stay clumped up for Valkyr |
| 23:55.23 | WobWork | unless it's Flame Wreathe |
| 23:55.24 | Cide | that's an awesome mechanic |
| 23:55.31 | Antiarc | So, it's a precise game of collapse->expand->collapse |
| 23:55.37 | foxlit | You don't *really* have to stay clumped up for Val'kyr |
| 23:55.45 | foxlit | The shout gives you enough time to run in. |
| 23:55.47 | Amarande | yeah, I'm totally not familiar with the LK encounter heh |
| 23:55.51 | MoonWitch | yes, which is also why my rg epically failed at dancing |
| 23:56.01 | Antiarc | The Valk management is more about getting them going along the same movement vector |
| 23:56.04 | MoonWitch | usually it ended in 3 ppl finishing heigan lol |
| 23:56.06 | Amarande | dances make me miss the olden days of turn based RPGs though |
| 23:56.08 | Antiarc | You don't want valks headed off in 3 directions |
| 23:56.17 | Amarande | back when whether something hit or missed was based on your stats, rather than on whether you the player are agile enough :S |
| 23:56.37 | foxlit | Regardless, you have time to converge on your desired point without forcing everyone to stack there. |
| 23:56.37 | Amarande | unless they're ones that I can ignore by dint of class features, e.g. Loken |
| 23:56.49 | MoonWitch | meh latency is also a part now .. which reminds me to bitch at my ISP again |
| 23:56.52 | WobWork | PoHspam |
| 23:56.52 | Amarande | where I just pop AMS to absorb the lightning nova and generally just hang out behind his butt the entire time :P |
| 23:56.58 | Fisker | Yeah if you know which order it is in foxlit |
| 23:57.24 | Amarande | btw, speaking of dances, also |
| 23:57.39 | Amarande | on heigan ... with the dance is it like ... "oops you were .5 second too slow to move, oops you're dead" or more void-zoney? |
| 23:57.55 | Fisker | first one |
| 23:57.57 | foxlit | Fisker: in response to a /yell |
| 23:57.59 | Amarande | has gotten pretty good at avoiding void zones ... unless they pop up with me right in the middle and not enough health to make it out, anyway :P |
| 23:58.06 | Amarande | Fisker: is AMS of any use to save one's hide there? |
| 23:58.15 | Fisker | i dunno |
| 23:58.21 | Fisker | don't think it penetrates anything |
| 23:58.22 | Amarande | or the frost damage reduction CD |
| 23:58.23 | MoonWitch | heigan is simple .. stare at the green crap, when it goes down - move into it.. wait.. move |
| 23:58.41 | Fisker | yeah you have so much time you can get ahead of yourself :P |
| 23:58.45 | Amarande | Moon: so you don't have to memorize drawings of the area :) |
| 23:58.54 | WobWork | I'm pretty sure AMS would get overwhelmed |
| 23:58.56 | MoonWitch | nope. |
| 23:58.59 | Fisker | but it's basically you die (atleast with the gear you used when you did it) unless you have damage reduction on you |
| 23:59.08 | WobWork | even if it doesn't, you're stuck behind the clearzone at that point |
| 23:59.09 | MoonWitch | < disc priest |
| 23:59.11 | MoonWitch | :P |
| 23:59.21 | foxlit | It really depends on how hard you fail. |
| 23:59.28 | WobWork | and you're two zones behind at that point |
| 23:59.34 | foxlit | There are multiple spikes. It only one-shots you if you were really in the wrong place. |
| 23:59.36 | WobWork | where any mitigation will get worn down and you die |
| 23:59.42 | Amarande | I'm still wondering if video games are eventually, due to the "realistic action!" obsession |
| 23:59.45 | Zyn | AMS can save your ass at times, but ofc there are mechanics that do so much damage that it's not worth it (LOL SHADOW TRAP) |
| 23:59.46 | Antiarc | Each "surge" does multiple ticks of damage |
| 23:59.50 | Antiarc | One or two ticks is easily survivable |
| 23:59.57 | Amarande | going to reach a point where the only attributes that actually are still character attributes are going to be magic-related ones and maybe armor |
