| 00:00.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:00.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: well, get on that! :P |
| 00:00.10 | Cairenn | jumps to it |
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| 00:00.31 | Lunessa | MoonWitch: Give in. Go to BlizzCon. You'll have fun and it'll be a con that doesn't make you uncomoftable as a first experience. |
| 00:00.33 | MoonWitch | naah, but don't you have like Holiday Inn and like groups of hotels? |
| 00:00.33 | Amarande | wow, TV is slipping rapidly into the suckpit |
| 00:00.36 | Amarande | first Lost came to an end |
| 00:00.38 | Amarande | and now 24 is coming to an end |
| 00:00.46 | Amarande | and what's going to come in its place? probably schlock |
| 00:01.01 | MoonWitch | Lunessa, yeah, I am going to try for EU Blizzcon next year |
| 00:01.15 | NightHawkTheSane | MoonWitch: actually, most con's have one or more hotels they make deals with, so you can usually check the con's website for that. |
| 00:01.27 | alestane | We had one person in the room a couple of years ago from Norway who was drooling over these, MoonWitch: http://www.pleaserusa.com/pic/delight-699.jpg |
| 00:01.55 | MoonWitch | alright -- shower time .. And alestane not into those heels, I'd break my feet. |
| 00:02.41 | alestane | Fetish shoes, sadly, are rarely flats. |
| 00:03.01 | Lunessa | ... alestane don't make me destroy you. |
| 00:03.13 | Fisker | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:03.16 | alestane | Why would this be necessary? |
| 00:03.17 | Lunessa | flats for fetish shoes destroys the whole fetish |
| 00:03.27 | alestane | That depends on the fetish in question. |
| 00:03.29 | Fisker | what are your views on stealing ideas without crediting them Lunessa ? |
| 00:03.49 | alestane | But yes, most of them would lose their appeal. |
| 00:04.04 | Lunessa | Fisker: Read your logs. You already know how I feel about that stuff from the last 3 years... |
| 00:04.24 | NightHawkTheSane | I dunno, fetish footware doesn't quite do it for me. *shrug* |
| 00:04.35 | Cairenn|24 | those are nice boots |
| 00:04.53 | Fisker | so Cairenn|24 you're finally 24? |
| 00:04.59 | Fisker | highfives NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:05.14 | Cairenn|24 | no, I'm watching the series final |
| 00:05.24 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, Cairenn's 24. we'll go with that ;) |
| 00:05.37 | Cairenn|24 | so yeah, I'm not paying attention in here for the next couple hours :p |
| 00:05.39 | Fisker | of your 24 year birthday? |
| 00:06.00 | Fisker | lost vs 24 fight? |
| 00:06.01 | Fisker | go? |
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| 00:07.41 | alestane | Great quote form Lunessa from when those shoes were originally linked: "No, |pez| you're just flushing out fetish freaks in here to flirt with - it's too easy - like dynamiting fish." |
| 00:08.17 | Lunessa | You actually saved that? :O |
| 00:08.25 | alestane | Those shoes were awesome. |
| 00:08.32 | alestane | I saved the whole transcript. |
| 00:08.46 | Amarande | soooo ... who woulda known Jack Bauer was going to be the series final boss? :) |
| 00:08.59 | Amarande | I'm presuming he's going to be dead by ten o'clock ET tonight |
| 00:08.59 | Cairenn|24 | which means you got the links to the pairs Lopeppeppy and I posted, too |
| 00:09.09 | Lunessa | Whatever happened to Pez anyway? |
| 00:09.11 | Cairenn|24 | still wants the ones she linked |
| 00:09.14 | alestane | Wasn't that on a different day? |
| 00:09.27 | alestane | I might have those links, but not handily in the same file. |
| 00:09.51 | Fisker | so how do i blow up a NightHawkTheSane? |
| 00:10.03 | alestane | Cairenn's 24 with several years of experience, Fisker. |
| 00:10.11 | Amarande | Fisker: Goblin Engineering? :) |
| 00:10.16 | Fisker | good idea |
| 00:10.51 | alestane | I think I did see that link, Cairenn|24, but I'm not sure I could find it as readily as the others. |
| 00:10.58 | Cairenn|24 | :) |
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| 00:12.07 | alestane | She was sort of swamped by life the last we heard from her, Lunessa. |
| 00:12.28 | Lunessa | I just thought we ran her off. |
| 00:13.11 | p3lim | Is it possible to get the url from a search on wowi? |
| 00:13.32 | Amarande | btw, does Lockpicking normally work on the "get keys from mobs to free X number of Y prisoners from cages" quests? |
| 00:13.45 | Seerah | p3lim: do you mean "for" a search? |
| 00:13.54 | Seerah | err... the results? |
| 00:14.07 | p3lim | yeah |
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| 00:14.38 | Seerah | there *is*... but I don't recall how. It has been requested before in the site support forums |
| 00:15.42 | p3lim | hm |
| 00:16.02 | Amarande | ... hey didn't I just loot that box of K3 equipment, why is it back there? *checks bags* heh |
| 00:16.12 | Amarande | Silly respawns. :) |
| 00:16.29 | alestane | I only wish, Amarande. |
| 00:16.47 | alestane | The usual rule is lockpicking doesn't work on locks that are critical for quests. |
| 00:17.43 | Amarande | also regarding quests ... |
| 00:18.09 | Amarande | is there an addon (or can one be created) to add to item tooltips a note that a given item is a stale quest item from a previously completed quest and can be safely destroyed? |
| 00:18.15 | Amarande | it would be useful for cleaning out keyrings on some toons |
| 00:19.18 | WobWork | don't most items have a questname tooltip? |
| 00:19.25 | WobWork | or is that my addons |
| 00:20.39 | Amarande | that's only during the quest, as well |
| 00:20.47 | Amarande | I mean, lingering extras after you've already turned the quest in |
| 00:21.00 | Amarande | tends to happen especially much with keys, since you don't normally look much at your keyring |
| 00:21.41 | WobWork | are you running out of keyring space? |
| 00:23.20 | Amarande | Wob: not yet, but I presume at some point it will probably become an issue |
| 00:23.31 | WobWork | Doubt it |
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| 00:23.39 | WobWork | keyring bag expands on your levels |
| 00:23.48 | WobWork | so unless you're a completionist in regards to keys |
| 00:26.36 | alestane | Great Legion, when did it get to be 8:30? |
| 00:26.51 | NightHawkTheSane | about 3 minutes from now? |
| 00:26.53 | Lunessa | I'm a keymaster, and a smith. I was only able to fill my keyring by adding several stacks of player-made keys. |
| 00:28.28 | Amarande | oh good grief, sparksocket minefield is annoying ... |
| 00:29.03 | Amarande | OH DEAR GOD JUST LET ME LOOT THE BLOODY TOOLS |
| 00:29.16 | kd3 | do the quest like you're supposed to |
| 00:29.18 | kd3 | there is a path |
| 00:29.21 | foxlit | You're having the opposite problem from the one people usually have |
| 00:29.37 | WobWork | actually |
| 00:29.39 | WobWork | you can fly in now |
| 00:29.41 | WobWork | can't you? |
| 00:30.04 | foxlit | There's AA. |
| 00:30.11 | WobWork | I thought they removed that |
| 00:30.15 | WobWork | or is it only active for the quest? |
| 00:30.22 | foxlit | dunno |
| 00:30.24 | Amarande | FINE I'll just death jump to it |
| 00:30.35 | WobWork | Amarande: can you fly? |
| 00:30.36 | kd3 | death jump? you can get there without dying if you follow the path |
| 00:30.43 | kd3 | s/dying/taking a hit/ |
| 00:31.33 | Amarande | ok, that didn't work either |
| 00:31.33 | Amarande | yeah |
| 00:31.37 | Amarande | but you get AA'd before you can land |
| 00:31.42 | Amarande | unless you jump from a fatal height |
| 00:31.44 | WobWork | ah, so it is quest only |
| 00:31.51 | WobWork | so do as kd3 says |
| 00:31.54 | WobWork | walk the path =P |
| 00:32.05 | Amarande | I don't see a path |
| 00:32.10 | WobWork | zoom out a bit |
| 00:32.11 | WobWork | it's there |
| 00:32.11 | Amarande | I see all kinds of gaps between the mines |
| 00:32.18 | Amarande | but they go off at such a distance ... |
| 00:32.20 | kd3 | it starts by the sign then goes close to the mountain to the southwest |
| 00:33.51 | NightHawkTheSane | what's hax is that rogues can disarm the mines. ;) |
| 00:34.23 | Amarande | hmm, I seem to have just landed on the path, by luck |
| 00:35.18 | Amarande | and lucked into Mine Sweeper |
| 00:41.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. coffee this afternoon and a light lunch has not boded well for getting things done this evening. |
| 00:41.43 | NightHawkTheSane | is jittery as all fuck |
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| 00:42.03 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Vitamin B1, and a lot of water. |
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| 00:44.50 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 00:44.53 | Shirik | I will destroy you |
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| 00:46.44 | Lunessa | Shirik: Take a number? |
| 00:50.23 | Amarande | yay nothing like using unholy presence to overtake the alliance guy who's after the same quest mob at the end of the tunnel as you :D |
| 00:51.26 | Shirik | Lunessa |
| 00:51.29 | Shirik | we can kill him together |
| 00:51.44 | Lunessa | I know a great place in the desert for the body. |
| 00:52.31 | |Jelly| | higs Shirik |
| 00:52.34 | |Jelly| | hugs, too |
| 00:52.40 | Thunder_Child | sexy beast! |
| 00:54.14 | Adys | You have sexy breasts too, Thunder_Child |
| 00:54.18 | Adys | .. oh |
| 00:55.58 | Amarande | btw, did they ever make the purple spiders in the back of crystalweb cavern tamable? |
| 00:57.52 | Amarande | (and if not, is there some particular reason why they would be excluded? they seem normal enough beasts to me ... sure, they're quest targets but plenty of tamable mobs are, including some that you have to *summon just for a quest*) |
| 01:03.45 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/24/funny-pictures-was-a-hug/ ...awww... |
| 01:08.19 | Amarande | awww, I have to wait for cata to get a purple spider it would seem |
| 01:14.40 | Amarande | and rats, I shouldn't have taken quite that much time on wowhead |
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| 01:17.58 | Amarande | this season of 24 is weird |
| 01:18.13 | Amarande | last time I've had this hard of a time telling who's *really* good and evil was Xenosaga |
| 01:19.05 | Jerub | Amarande: jack is the evil one, isn't he? |
| 01:19.50 | Amarande | Jerub: it's hard to tell now |
| 01:19.57 | Amarande | everyone seems to be chaotic selfish lately :S |
| 01:20.36 | Amarande | although I'd be kinda surprised if Jack was the good guy now, given the relationships established this season |
| 01:21.11 | Amarande | he seems to be opposed to the government now, and a terrorism-related drama in which the US President and Government are marked as evil? somehow I don't think so in today's post-9/11 media ... :| |
| 01:22.43 | Amarande | hell, wouldn't making such a thing probably even get the writers on the terror watch list? |
| 01:23.16 | Amarande | which would be totally lame, of course, as I'm one to believe that fiction should never be censored, but ... |
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| 01:24.14 | Nechckn | They had the whole plot where the VP was like the supreme leader of the baddies, so I do not think that is a concern. |
| 01:24.35 | Amarande | Nechckn: the VP is probably acceptable |
| 01:24.48 | Amarande | "evil Chancellor/Grand Vizier/etc." is too common a trope |
| 01:24.53 | Nechckn | has not seen 24 in quite some time now, the whole same plot all the time was boring. |
| 01:25.02 | Amarande | ... as I almost miss my dungeon queue again :P |
| 01:25.15 | Amarande | not that it matters because one of the OTHER DPS failed to click ready :| |
| 01:25.21 | Nechckn | "Click Yes to join" =) |
| 01:25.30 | Amarande | and now the healer bailed :P |
| 01:25.38 | Amarande | FFS |
| 01:25.49 | Jerub | Amarande: turn the sound up |
| 01:26.06 | Nechckn | you should find either a tank or healer and join with 'em. Usually very fast that way. |
| 01:26.25 | Jerub | Nechckn: Amarande doesn't like viable solutions |
| 01:26.33 | Amarande | Jerub: actually, it's been DPS that keep declining |
| 01:27.30 | Nechckn | Really? must be some backward Battle group. |
| 01:27.50 | Amarande | Nechckn: I can think of a reason |
| 01:27.53 | Amarande | DPS have long queues |
| 01:27.57 | alestane | x / math.abs(x) for x ~= 0 should always equal either -1 or 1, right? |
| 01:28.03 | Amarande | so at some point they probably alt-tab or afk forgetting they're still *in* the queue |
| 01:28.07 | Amarande | then they get matched up and fail to hit ready |
| 01:28.25 | Nechckn | I have toons, of many levels, spread across a bunch of servers and it always seems to be heals as the "main" thing, with tanks next, followed by a whole trove of DPS. |
| 01:28.43 | alestane | On ours it's tanks. |
| 01:28.45 | Nechckn | Yeah, that could well be |
| 01:29.12 | alestane | Queue as heals and you should have a group inside a minute...but queue as a tank and it's under ten seconds most of the time. |
| 01:29.44 | Xyphoid | mm, i logged on my dk yesterday, hit queue, and got a group standing at Anub in HAN |
| 01:29.58 | Nechckn | Well, it is no where near as bad as FFXI waiting for a group to do really anything, for hours. |
| 01:30.02 | Xyphoid | frost badges in 4 minutes from login |
| 01:30.17 | Nechckn | haha now that is the way to do it, Xyphoid |
| 01:31.58 | alestane | --> print(getmetatable("").__lt) |
| 01:31.58 | batbot | alestane: nil |
| 01:33.05 | jnwhiteh | lua> print(getmetatable("").__lt) |
| 01:33.06 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: nil |
| 01:40.37 | WobWork | on all my servers |
| 01:40.41 | WobWork | it's tanks->heals->dps |
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| 01:40.51 | alestane | Oh hey, lua_bot is back. |
| 01:41.15 | alestane | ~welcome lua_bot |
| 01:41.15 | purl | Welcome to the party, lua_bot! |
| 01:42.21 | Amarande | dammnnit, battered hilt dropped and the healer got it |
| 01:42.28 | Amarande | I told him to use it for himself ... he seems to have agreed with me :) |
| 01:42.38 | Amarande | apparently he didn't know exactly what it was for |
| 01:42.46 | Amarande | (just that it was something everyone rolled need on) |
| 01:42.57 | Amarande | I got a Nighttime though |
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| 01:43.36 | Amarande | ... now I have to decide whether to replace ghoulslicer or hateforged cleaver :S |
| 01:44.22 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=49827;49840;50191 |
| 01:44.29 | Amarande | aright, I have the first two, and just acquired the third |
| 01:44.31 | Amarande | which one should go? |
| 01:45.39 | Seerah | class? |
| 01:46.01 | Amarande | DK, dual wield frost |
| 01:47.27 | Seerah | hmm... would you rather have the AP or the haste? |
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| 01:48.02 | Amarande | hmmmmm |
| 01:48.07 | Amarande | you know, might be good to keep the sword |
| 01:48.17 | Amarande | the expertise will keep enemy dodges down, too, and increase DPS |
| 01:48.26 | Amarande | and then there's ArPen, which seems to be holy grail status for physical DPS lately |
| 01:48.51 | Seerah | and Nighttime also has haste on it, so.. yeah. replace axe with new axe ;) |
| 01:49.34 | Amarande | wouldn't be surprised if I end up with two nighttimes anyway if I don't start raiding or get QD before |
| 01:50.15 | |Jelly| | 2x Nighttime is one of the best DW setups pre raiding though |
| 01:51.10 | Amarande | now time to snag a sigil since I have 25 badges |
| 01:51.26 | Amarande | and also to check whether Nighttime answers what has been the $64,000 question for the last couple of days |
| 01:51.38 | |Jelly| | which is? |
| 01:51.39 | Amarande | "When will Amarande get to go to H HoR?" |
| 01:52.15 | |Jelly| | heh |
| 01:52.59 | WobWork | Amarande: are you weapons your lowest ilvl items? |
| 01:53.01 | WobWork | your |
| 01:53.55 | Adys | any winer around? |
| 01:55.38 | DWSR | Amarande: ArP is awful for Frost DKs. |
| 01:55.58 | DWSR | Amarande: You want Strength strength strength and more strength with a side of strength. |
| 01:56.02 | DWSR | (assuming you're hit capped).' |
| 01:56.09 | DWSR | Even Expertise isn't so crucial. |
| 01:56.27 | Jerub | http://www.freedomtodiffer.com/freedom_to_differ/2010/05/senator-ludlams-speech-on-the-internet-filter.html |
| 01:56.31 | Torhal | That reminds me of this shirt I saw yesterday: "I put ketchup on my ketchup." |
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| 01:58.29 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: i think i have that shirt |
| 01:58.30 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, but you can't get strength on 1H weapons :| |
| 01:58.56 | Amarande | I don't think I know of a single 1H epic usable by DKs that's strength based |
| 01:58.59 | Amarande | they're all agi |
| 01:59.06 | Amarande | so might as well take what I can get :) |
| 01:59.45 | Amarande | even the 1H quel'delar is str |
| 01:59.47 | Amarande | er, not str |
| 01:59.48 | Amarande | agi |
| 02:00.16 | Amarande | I guess frost DKs kinda got forgotten by itemization because they're pretty much the only ones who would want 1H str weapons, though |
| 02:00.30 | Amarande | tanks use 1H, but they want agi for avoidance and crit |
| 02:00.37 | Amarande | shamans and rogues use 1H, but they want agi |
| 02:00.42 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I'm assuming you like ketchup that much. |
| 02:00.45 | Amarande | warriors use 2H exclusively now that there's TG for fury |
| 02:00.57 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: it was a gift |
| 02:01.03 | Torhal | Aah |
| 02:01.06 | Amarande | yeah, not much in the way of 1H users that want str, really |
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| 02:02.22 | alestane | Funy, Torhal, I saw the same shirt today. |
| 02:02.24 | Amarande | yeah, I'm trying to find 1H str weapons and they're mostly tanking, and usually maces so I couldn't even use them if I wanted to |
| 02:03.53 | Amarande | old world had them, why doesn't LK? |
| 02:03.55 | Torhal | Heh. Popular shirt apparently. |
| 02:04.03 | Amarande | or does blizzard no longer make itemization that caters to only one spec of one class |
| 02:04.05 | Amarande | oh wait, they still do |
| 02:04.14 | Amarande | it's called that damned spellpower plate that grows like weeds |
| 02:06.43 | |Jelly| | Seriously. |
| 02:06.50 | Arrowmaster | big bang theory has finished airing, why dont i have a torrent of it already! |
| 02:06.52 | WobWork | Jerub: http://www.efa.org.au/2010/05/13/senator-ludlam-slams-filter-in-parliament/ |
| 02:06.54 | WobWork | dear god |
| 02:06.55 | WobWork | the comments |
| 02:07.00 | WobWork | they're... |
| 02:07.03 | WobWork | is speechless |
| 02:07.11 | WobWork | they're like.. well thought out... and reasoned |
| 02:07.15 | WobWork | and not flaming at all |
| 02:07.38 | WobWork | it's like.. it's not really the internet |
| 02:07.46 | Amarande | yeah, I just looked through every single piece of loot in ICC10/25, for instance |
| 02:07.52 | Amarande | ALL of the 1H DPS based weapons are Agi. |
| 02:08.00 | Amarande | No strength love for DW frost DKs |
| 02:08.25 | Amarande | which kinda sucks, because I rather like Frost, and 2H Frost is generally regarded as subpar now so we have to DW |
| 02:08.40 | Amarande | Unholy ... meh ... I don't feel like playing yet another pet class, I'll play my hunter or lock if I want that |
| 02:08.54 | Amarande | and Blood may be viable for now, but I don't want to get used to Blood DPS when I know I'll have to give it up in Cata |
| 02:09.40 | WobWork | unholy isn't really a pet class |
| 02:10.02 | Amarande | I guess I figure unholy is pretty much expected to take MoG |
| 02:10.07 | WobWork | well sure |
| 02:10.31 | WobWork | I guess I don't -really- consider warlocks pet classes either |
| 02:10.35 | WobWork | only hunters |
| 02:10.44 | WobWork | but even now, we don't interact as much with the pet as we used to |
| 02:10.46 | Amarande | blood DPS sounds like it's fun now, but in cata, they've announced they're changing it so blood is the tanking oriented tree |
| 02:11.00 | WobWork | pft |
| 02:11.02 | Amarande | which means it will probably be subpar for DPS |
| 02:11.06 | WobWork | Cata is not coming out any time soon |
| 02:11.07 | Jerub | WobWork: until /today/ i have equated #nocleanfeed with #communicatingpoorly |
| 02:11.20 | WobWork | and you'll have to relearn everything -anyway- |
| 02:11.22 | Amarande | just as prot warriors do less DPS than fury or arms |
| 02:11.27 | WobWork | as will everyone else |
| 02:11.37 | WobWork | so why not have fun -now- |
| 02:11.42 | Amarande | (I would mention protadins, too, but everyone knows protadins are broken and OP and such XD) |
| 02:11.44 | WobWork | instead of planning to have possible fun in the future |
| 02:11.58 | Amarande | well ... I may consider blood if I see a suitable weapon drop and no one else needs it more :) |
| 02:12.23 | Amarande | I'll have to skill it up before I fully make the switch though since I've been DWing since I had access to a mailbox ergo my 2H weapon skills *suck* heh |
| 02:12.54 | Amarande | (you know how long it took me to find the mailbox in the DK starter area ... heh) |
| 02:13.10 | MoonWitch | there is a mailbox in the dk starters area? |
| 02:13.58 | Amarande | yeah |
| 02:14.09 | Amarande | it's in the scarlet farm area you first get sent to |
| 02:14.09 | MoonWitch | well, never noticed one |
| 02:14.13 | MoonWitch | OOH right |
| 02:14.24 | Amarande | I guess it slipped my mind because I always assumed it was an enemy mailbox and not usable |
| 02:15.22 | WobWork | oh I remember that |
| 02:15.41 | WobWork | I did a ritual dance on top of it |
| 02:15.44 | WobWork | as a tauren DK |
| 02:15.51 | MoonWitch | lol |
| 02:16.03 | MoonWitch | (visual of that is lol) |
| 02:16.07 | Amarande | is it still there after the scarlets leave, btw? |
| 02:16.12 | Amarande | since there's no mailbox in ebonhold |
| 02:16.51 | MoonWitch | is watching csi |
| 02:17.10 | MoonWitch | Brass : Can you get a print off of that? |
| 02:17.23 | MoonWitch | Warrick : I can get a print off of air |
| 02:17.25 | MoonWitch | . |
| 02:17.33 | Amarande | yay DISCIPLINE ROD |
| 02:17.35 | Amarande | I love this quest |
| 02:17.42 | Shirik | pop quiz |
| 02:17.43 | MoonWitch | and yes, the off's may be wrong |
| 02:17.49 | Shirik | why would sound work everywhere except for kde devices |
| 02:17.56 | Shirik | (forwarded request from friend) |
| 02:18.14 | Jamash | because kde hates you |
| 02:18.17 | Arrowmaster | define 'kde devices' |
| 02:18.18 | MoonWitch | cuz it likes to annoy you? |
| 02:18.40 | Shirik | I don't know he left :( |
| 02:18.42 | Amarande | in any case, I like frost DW |
| 02:18.43 | Shirik | I thought he was making sense |
| 02:18.49 | Arrowmaster | he wasnt |
| 02:18.50 | Shirik | I'm glad I wasn't the only one that didn't make sense of that phrase |
| 02:18.53 | Amarande | just a little annoyed at the lack of str based 1h's |
| 02:20.51 | Amarande | and wondering why they didn't include any, when they do cater to holy paladins by giving them spellpower plate (which also is no good for any other spec, just as str 1H dps weapons aren't of much use to other specs) |
| 02:21.55 | Adys | kd3: ping |
| 02:22.04 | kd3 | what's up? |
| 02:22.57 | MoonWitch | well boys and girls, now I gotta go back to bed |
| 02:23.03 | Cide | Shirik: wanna play?! |
| 02:23.18 | Amarande | I guess Holy as a specific spec is much more important for paladins than Frost as a specific spec is for DKs, though. :) |
| 02:23.43 | Shirik | Cide: Leaving soon :( |
| 02:23.50 | Cide | meh |
| 02:23.57 | Cide | always bad timing |
| 02:24.40 | |Jelly| | Meh, the 1h weapons I use give the same ap as 47 str. It doesn't scale with kings but I'm not going to complain about that. |
| 02:24.46 | |Jelly| | I miss DW Unholy! :P |
| 02:26.50 | Xyphoid | it's quite funny sorting by 1h + str - tank weapons from ilvl 277 to 200, then it blips to level 60 weapons |
| 02:26.57 | DWSR | Amarande: They're adding 1h str weapons in cata. |
| 02:26.59 | DWSR | So meh. |
| 02:27.24 | Amarande | DWSR: they also had them in classic and I think they might have in BC |
| 02:27.28 | Amarande | I'm not sure why they disappeared in LK |
| 02:27.38 | Amarande | lemme guess ... it was because of TG |
| 02:28.06 | Amarande | fury warriors didn't need em anymore and initially DW was the black sheep of DK specs anyway instead of having an equal place at the DK table (and even edging out its 2H Frost cousin) |
| 02:28.32 | Amarande | and everyone else who would even lay hands on a 1H melee weapon is either a caster, a tank, or an agi based class anyway? |
| 02:28.38 | |Jelly| | black sheep? |
| 02:28.47 | |Jelly| | 32/39 was anything but the black sheep. lol |
| 02:28.58 | Amarande | Jelly: yeah, they used to think, when LK had just come out, that DW wouldn't be viable endgame on DKs at all |
| 02:29.41 | |Jelly| | Funny, I remember my first Naxx run as my DK owning face as DW. |
| 02:30.01 | |Jelly| | . . . dying a lot, due to lolHBaggro |
| 02:30.08 | Amarande | I can see what the problem with 2H Frost is, though |
| 02:30.20 | Amarande | it appears Frost needs both Fallen Crusader's and Razorice's effects to be fully viable endgame |
| 02:30.27 | Amarande | and since you can't put both on one weapon ... yeah |
| 02:30.39 | DWSR | Amarande: No. |
| 02:30.46 | Amarande | the other specs seem much less elementally reliant, therefore, they can make do with just FC? |
| 02:30.52 | DWSR | No |
| 02:30.53 | DWSR | no |
| 02:31.02 | Amarande | DWSR: what's 2H Frost's weakness, then? |
| 02:31.08 | DWSR | Slow swing speed. |
| 02:31.10 | |Jelly| | Unholy isn't 'elementally reliant' ? |
| 02:31.21 | DWSR | ^ |
| 02:31.40 | Amarande | wow, between IT and IIT, swing speed is the last thing I tend to think of as a DK :) |
| 02:32.01 | DWSR | Yeah, except for 45% melee haste on 3.60 seconds is a lot different than 45% on 2.6 |
| 02:32.05 | Amarande | Jelly: well, not in the sense of depending on a rune to grant bonus damage |
| 02:32.40 | Amarande | (I presume that the Frost element abilities are balanced around the idea that you will use Razorice) |
| 02:33.20 | |Jelly| | Hmm |
| 02:33.32 | Amarande | yeah, now I can see frost 2H not being so good |
| 02:33.35 | |Jelly| | As DW frost, my highest attacks are melee and obliterate |
| 02:33.42 | DWSR | Bingo. |
| 02:33.43 | Amarande | for both the reasons that DWSR and I mentioned |
| 02:33.59 | DWSR | Frost's highest damage source is auto-attack. |
| 02:34.05 | Amarande | not only the slow swing speed, but also the fact that you need razorice to get your frost damage to be as expected, but then you can't have FC and you lose a lot of DPS from lacking that buff |
| 02:34.39 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc7LyERAKc0 |
| 02:34.39 | Amarande | DWSR: that's for sure. |
| 02:34.44 | WobWork | Rainer Hersch is awesome |
| 02:34.46 | Amarande | 27% of my damage is "Melee", according to Recount |
| 02:34.55 | Amarande | Obliterate, the frost uber-strike, comes in a distant second at a mere 15% |
| 02:35.05 | DWSR | Frost Strike is the Frost uber-strike. |
| 02:35.07 | DWSR | ... |
| 02:35.41 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:35.43 | Amarande | according to this recount |
| 02:35.52 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar (~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar) |
| 02:36.01 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5546730/googles-pac+man-front-sapped-48-million-hours-of-productivity |
| 02:36.04 | Amarande | FS does less damage than obli |
| 02:36.16 | Amarande | also I'm starting to wonder why I put that point in blood caked blade |
| 02:36.31 | |Jelly| | You should have ... three points in it. |
| 02:36.44 | Amarande | my darkmoon card: death literally does almost four times as much damage over the course of things as BCS |
| 02:36.45 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:36.49 | Amarande | Jelly: I don't have enough spare points for that |
| 02:36.56 | |Jelly| | Are you not 80? |
| 02:37.13 | Amarande | Jelly: the recommended spec for frost DW is 0/52/15, with four discretionary |
| 02:37.14 | |Jelly| | Because if you're 80, then there's absolutely no reason to not have 3/3 BCB |
| 02:37.25 | DWSR | You should have 3 in BCB./ |
| 02:37.35 | Amarande | and if you're smart and don't feel like pulling aggro every time you draw a lesser geared or noobish tank, you'll put 3 of those 4 in subversion |
| 02:37.45 | Amarande | this leaves only one for BCB |
| 02:37.56 | |Jelly| | I just facepalmed irl. |
| 02:37.59 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:38.07 | Amarande | well, let's see |
| 02:38.24 | Amarande | the 52 recommended points in frost are your core frost points (besides, you need HB, so you could move out at most one point from frost) |
| 02:38.33 | Amarande | you need 15 points in unholy before you can take BCB at all |
| 02:38.45 | |Jelly| | Lets copy/pasta from EJ for you: Subversion: This is probably the weakest DPS gain/point, but should be grabbed if you notice that you are having trouble with threat. |
| 02:38.46 | Amarande | yeah, it's hard to squeeze out more than maybe one other point (and I'm not sure where it would come from in frost) |
| 02:39.01 | |Jelly| | Blood Caked Blade: Probably the highest DPS gain/point, especially if you have a decent amount of ArPen on your gear. Points should be allocated here first, after Subversion. |
| 02:39.17 | Amarande | Jelly: "first, after Subversion" implies that you take subv first |
| 02:39.23 | DWSR | Amarande: There is NO way that you are having threat problems. |
| 02:39.25 | Thunder_Child | only if you have threat issues |
| 02:39.27 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5546778/mass-effect-the-movie-is-really-happening |
| 02:39.33 | Amarande | hmm, I could move some points out |
| 02:39.40 | Amarande | I might have to move them back if I get strings of failtanks though |
| 02:39.43 | Thunder_Child | you should not be gearing you char around the assumption you will be pulling threat |
| 02:39.49 | |Jelly| | Exactly |
| 02:39.52 | Jamash | mass effect is meh |
| 02:39.52 | Thunder_Child | gear/talent w/e |
| 02:40.03 | Amarande | T_C: shouldn't you gear around what you expect to be grouped with, though? |
| 02:40.07 | Xyphoid | why not, ej specs are based on pure raid dps. amarande is doing heroics only. |
| 02:40.09 | |Jelly| | And what's the absolute worst thing that happens? You pull aggro and get to tank? Oh no. Do more DPS and that's not a problem. |
| 02:40.13 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: no |
| 02:40.14 | WobWork | indeed, you don't pull threat by actually doing your job properly |
| 02:40.21 | Amarande | if you're in an established raiding guild doing guild runs, then yeah, you'll want 3 BCB |
| 02:40.21 | DWSR | ^ |
| 02:40.28 | WobWork | you don't not pull threat by talenting for it |
| 02:40.31 | DWSR | There is no way you're possibly pulling threat. |
| 02:40.33 | Amarande | if you're doing random heroics, you might want to insure yourself against ever pulling aggro from a bad tank |
| 02:40.38 | DWSR | Why? |
| 02:40.44 | DWSR | If you just do more DPS, it becomes moot. |
| 02:40.45 | Thunder_Child | dont hit as hard then |
| 02:40.50 | WobWork | hit something else |
| 02:40.52 | DWSR | Even better, hit harder. |
| 02:40.57 | DWSR | Make it a non-issue. |
| 02:40.57 | Thunder_Child | same results but then you can go all out when you have a good tank |
| 02:40.57 | Amarande | DWSR: because DPS plate is surprisingly squishy, and plate repair bills suck orcs? :) |
| 02:41.03 | WobWork | you have more control over your threat by what you do |
| 02:41.05 | DWSR | I'm a DK tank. |
| 02:41.07 | WobWork | rather than what talents you hvae |
| 02:41.08 | DWSR | Don't talk to me. |
| 02:41.29 | WobWork | basically, lrn2dps properly |
| 02:41.32 | |Jelly| | DPS plate is squishy? I tank in dps gear/spec. :( |
| 02:41.36 | DWSR | ^ |
| 02:41.53 | Amarande | Jelly: I tried that at 70, in UK. UK! The most basic, banal, bog-standard boring instance LK has |
| 02:42.04 | DWSR | I tank in a Unholy PvP spec. |
| 02:42.08 | Amarande | I made it a little ways past Keleseth before being thrown out of the group for failing at tanking :| |
| 02:42.17 | DWSR | In PvP gear. |
| 02:42.25 | Amarande | (and really, if you can't tank keleseth in any reasonable gear, either your healer or you need to quit wow) |
| 02:42.36 | DWSR | Amarande: At 70, UK is hard. |
| 02:42.38 | DWSR | Akshully. |
| 02:42.44 | WobWork | s'true |
| 02:42.54 | Amarande | btw, speaking of UK |
| 02:42.55 | WobWork | mostly cause everyone's relearning at that point |
| 02:43.02 | DWSR | ^ |
| 02:43.02 | Amarande | is ingvar's smash based on target's max HP? |
| 02:43.08 | WobWork | no |
| 02:43.09 | DWSR | no. |
| 02:43.14 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:43.16 | WobWork | I've had people oneshot with it |
| 02:43.19 | Amarande | I guess I thought it was because once I got oneshot with it |
| 02:43.22 | Amarande | and I looked at the combat log |
| 02:43.27 | Amarande | and the damage turned out to be exactly what my HP was at the time |
| 02:43.36 | WobWork | was overkill shown? |
| 02:43.53 | Amarande | not that I can remember |
| 02:43.56 | WobWork | I've had people -not- oneshot with it too |
| 02:44.01 | WobWork | so it can't be a percentage |
| 02:44.06 | WobWork | well, maybe it can |
| 02:44.14 | WobWork | perhaps you were low on health at that point already |
| 02:44.17 | Amarande | well, usually when I see smash coming and don't want my dps disturbed, I pop icebound fortitude |
| 02:44.18 | Thunder_Child | % with a min? |
| 02:44.25 | Amarande | and I've never died when I had that in effect |
| 02:45.19 | WobWork | Smash: Inflicts 13,125 to 16,875 Physical damage to all enemies in a frontal cone. |
| 02:45.25 | WobWork | Smash: Inflicts 37,000 to 43,000 Physical damage to all enemies in a frontal cone. |
| 02:45.35 | Amarande | ok, maybe there was some overkill then |
| 02:45.49 | Amarande | I can't see myself surviving the heroic one, although for some reason I kept thinking I must have |
| 02:45.58 | Amarande | unless it's one of those ones that has that "divided among enemies in the area" mojo going on |
| 02:46.00 | WobWork | disregarding mitigation |
| 02:46.04 | DWSR | ^ |
| 02:46.18 | DWSR | It's physical damage, so take into account at /least/ 50% for armor. |
| 02:46.20 | Amarande | ahh, that's right |
| 02:46.25 | DWSR | And you have talents and Frost Presence. |
| 02:46.25 | Amarande | I only take about half damage from physicals |
| 02:46.36 | WobWork | Dark Smash uses shadow damage |
| 02:46.42 | DWSR | lolAMS. |
| 02:46.49 | Amarande | well, talents yeah ... frost presence you don't pop when you're not the tank except in *dire emergencies* |
| 02:46.58 | WobWork | well |
| 02:47.00 | DWSR | No....you don't pop it when you're not the tank. |
| 02:47.02 | WobWork | you shouldn't be in front of him =) |
| 02:47.04 | DWSR | Unless the tank dies. |
| 02:47.06 | DWSR | Then you're the tank. |
| 02:47.06 | Amarande | (and that's assuming you actually have a frost rune to use in said emergency anyway) |
| 02:47.11 | DWSR | Blood Tap. |
| 02:47.17 | WobWork | if you're in front of him and not the tank |
| 02:47.18 | DWSR | Death Runes, kk? |
| 02:47.21 | WobWork | that's a fail already |
| 02:47.27 | |Jelly| | Anyway, back to previous statements ... http://i46.tinypic.com/am2txf.jpg <-- Melee, Obliterate, Frost Strike. I made a point to not use Rime to attempt to buff Frost Strike to try to further make a point. I know these numbers are skewed because of loldummy but still. |
| 02:47.31 | Amarande | DWSR: frost tends to already have 2 death runes at all times and usually has them on CD |
| 02:47.38 | Amarande | Obli, remember? :) |
| 02:47.51 | DWSR | Blood Tap immediately resets the rune. |
| 02:47.54 | DWSR | And makes it Death. |
| 02:48.04 | Amarande | DWSR: it doesn't require an available blood/death rune to begin with? |
| 02:48.08 | Amarande | I always thought it did :S |
| 02:48.08 | DWSR | No. |
| 02:48.12 | |Jelly| | And if you don't cancel it, it'll screw up your rotation ... at least as far as I've noticed. |
| 02:48.12 | DWSR | No. |
| 02:48.17 | DWSR | No. |
| 02:48.30 | DWSR | You use it to /not/ screw up your rotation for defense CDs. |
| 02:48.33 | DWSR | Watch. |
| 02:48.40 | DWSR | BBFFUU |
| 02:48.41 | DWSR | IT |
| 02:48.45 | DWSR | BBFfUU |
| 02:48.47 | DWSR | PS |
| 02:48.50 | DWSR | BBFfUu |
| 02:48.51 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're hitting blood tap, it's because you need a rune NOW for an ability |
| 02:48.56 | DWSR | BSx2 |
| 02:49.00 | DWSR | bbFfUu |
| 02:49.03 | NightHawkTheSane | so it shouldn't be screwing up anything, really |
| 02:49.03 | DWSR | Obli |
| 02:49.05 | DWSR | bbffuu |
| 02:49.07 | DWSR | Blood Tap |
| 02:49.13 | DWSR | Dbffuu |
| 02:49.16 | DWSR | Unbreakable Armor |
| 02:49.17 | Amarande | Night: Granted, in PUGs though even if you do hit the blood tap and frost presence to try to take over for a dead tank in an emergency |
| 02:49.21 | WobWork | hehe |
| 02:49.22 | DWSR | dbffuu |
| 02:49.25 | WobWork | ffffffuuuuuu |
| 02:49.30 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:49.35 | DWSR | Right. |
| 02:49.40 | |Jelly| | It puts the blood rune at the end of the rotation, which can screw up a 'rotation' |
| 02:49.41 | Amarande | many healers aren't going to react fast enough to save the situation anyway even though you did |
| 02:49.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: that is 100% unrelated to anything i said. but thanks for playing |
| 02:49.59 | DWSR | |Jelly|: Not really. You should have enough buffer time to be able to move around it. |
| 02:50.10 | DWSR | |Jelly|: I have never had a problem, so maybe you're just doing it wrong? |
| 02:50.21 | |Jelly| | Buffer time in a DW rotation? |
| 02:50.36 | Amarande | Jelly: frost dps has actual choreographed rotations? I thought it was pretty much just "hit your strongest attack that's not on CD right now" whack-a-mole |
| 02:50.40 | DWSR | No.\ |
| 02:50.45 | DWSR | It has a priority system. |
| 02:50.53 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, that's pretty much what I meant by that. |
| 02:50.56 | DWSR | |Jelly|: If you have Epidemic, yes. You should have spare GCDs. |
| 02:51.08 | Amarande | "hit the best priority thing that's not on CD right now whack-a-mole" then |
| 02:51.13 | DWSR | I don't have Epidemic, but I'm a DW tank, so yeah, my rotation's very tight, but I can still macro in BT+UBA and not have problems. |
| 02:51.45 | Amarande | anyway, I frequently top meters and haven't had people complain about my DPS so I'm figuring I'm doing it right |
| 02:52.05 | Amarande | and almost done gearing up, the next step is going to be studying a ton of wowwiki pages like my life depended on it so I know the fights before I go raid :) |
| 02:52.15 | DWSR | WoWW is shit for strat. |
| 02:52.22 | DWSR | unless you're watching the movies at the end. |
| 02:52.45 | |Jelly| | The first 4 bosses in ICC are completely retard proof ... unless you're an actual retard, playing with your forehead while drooling on your computer. |
| 02:53.04 | DWSR | No, pretty sure you could still do it. |
| 02:53.08 | Amarande | Jelly: I was going to say or drinking, but I know people who tank while drunk so yeah |
| 02:53.10 | |Jelly| | And weapons drop off of Loot Ship. So bingo; there you go. |
| 02:53.19 | |Jelly| | I play drunk all the time. |
| 02:53.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i try to avoid playing sober, actually |
| 02:53.32 | Amarande | you know, it's too bad getting completely smashed doesn't *really* lower mob levels |
| 02:53.34 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 02:53.48 | Amarande | ('course, then strong alcohol would be mandatory raid consumables for all tanks ... heh) |
| 02:54.00 | NightHawkTheSane | if i'm sober, it's MUCH harder to actually put up with other people. |
| 02:54.03 | Jerub | i had to drop my wife into the city (20 minute round trip) one time. |
| 02:54.15 | |Jelly| | NHTS: Agreed |
| 02:54.20 | Amarande | Night, why do I imagine you in a chair with cowboy boots and a bottle of whisky watching old westerns |
| 02:54.33 | Jerub | i put the RL on follow at the end of deathwhisper, ran her in, got pasta on the way back, got to my computer to see them setting up for saurfang. |
| 02:54.39 | Jerub | ... i was still on follow |
| 02:54.59 | Amarande | Jerub: and yet people will demand 6k GS for this easysauce |
| 02:55.06 | Jerub | Amarande: rotface |
| 02:55.10 | Jerub | :( |
| 02:55.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i have no idea. I've said it before, but it'd be vodka & grapefruit, slippers, and shitty sci-fi |
| 02:55.18 | Jerub | icc25 gunship is easysauce |
| 02:55.19 | Amarande | granted, my helm does need replacing |
| 02:55.25 | Jerub | icc25 rotface is massive-dps-race |
| 02:55.37 | WobWork | Jerub: hehe awesome I wonder if you followed the mobile tank, you'd have walked off the boat |
| 02:55.38 | Amarande | as does my belt, though the belt might be slower to replace |
| 02:55.43 | |Jelly| | Helm drops off LDW; second boss in ICC10 |
| 02:55.49 | Amarande | unless that one belt in ... POS, I think drops |
| 02:55.56 | Jerub | WobWork: the RL was a shammy healer ; |
| 02:56.03 | WobWork | oh all good then =) |
| 02:56.09 | Amarande | which is why I'm not going for T10 especially quickly, as I've earmarked my first 60 frost badges for a belt |
| 02:56.52 | |Jelly| | Then do Vaults every week both 10/25 cause the 2-piece is pretty nice. |
| 02:57.04 | Amarande | now, however, it is time to get on a bear back so I can get one step closer to a shoulder enchant |
| 02:57.04 | |Jelly| | Hell, that might be your problem with Obliterate. |
| 02:58.11 | Xyphoid | god i hope tier gear isn't on the badge vendor in cata |
| 02:58.24 | |Jelly| | You know it's going to be. |
| 02:58.43 | Thunder_Child | nope, no badges |
| 02:58.46 | Thunder_Child | points :p |
| 02:58.52 | Jamash | LEWT POINTZ |
| 02:59.03 | Xyphoid | haha, i had to explain to rl friends how the badge system worked |
| 02:59.17 | Xyphoid | (reaching their first 80 after 3.3) |
| 02:59.20 | Thunder_Child | badges = money |
| 02:59.36 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: not really |
| 02:59.41 | Amarande | is it going to take comparable amounts of time to get the necessary points for an item as it would have with badges? |
| 02:59.43 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: how so? |
| 02:59.48 | Amarande | or will these items take a lot longer, like honor gear? |
| 02:59.53 | Xyphoid | it's impossible to tell yet |
| 02:59.58 | Xyphoid | badge prices have been all over the place after all |
| 03:00.21 | Jamash | in LK, at least, there are five kinds of badge, and it gets easier to get better badges after time, and you can downrank badges but not uprank them, and... |
| 03:00.45 | Jamash | so, not like money |
| 03:01.00 | Thunder_Child | except for the ranking thing is just like money |
| 03:01.04 | Xyphoid | now there are six vendors in the badge room, but also you need to visit other vendors in dal for your tier gear |
| 03:01.04 | Thunder_Child | its* |
| 03:01.24 | Jamash | well, except for the hat I'm just like the pope |
| 03:01.46 | Thunder_Child | thats...disturbing |
| 03:02.12 | WobWork | http://musicmachinery.com/2010/05/21/the-swinger/ |
| 03:02.19 | WobWork | Daft Punk is especially good |
| 03:04.08 | frontendloader | I don't know what you would call it, but I've heard this style of techno before |
| 03:05.40 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpZ18recO9A&feature=player_embedded |
| 03:08.42 | frontendloader | you're right though, it does a really good job with daft punk |
| 03:10.35 | frontendloader | journey lol |
| 03:18.52 | DWSR | frontendloader: It's French house. |
| 03:19.00 | DWSR | If you're referring to Daft Punk. |
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| 03:32.58 | Amarande | wtf. |
| 03:33.01 | Amarande | I thought that was heroic FoS |
| 03:33.24 | Amarande | apparently I queued for something other than what I thought I was queuing for :| |
| 03:34.45 | Amarande | yup, that's the ticket |
| 03:34.59 | Amarande | somehow I had it put on 'specific dungeons' with reg FoS and HoR checked instead of random heroic like I thought I had picked |
| 03:36.19 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: that youtube video was fucking awesoem |
| 03:45.56 | Amarande | ...crap, that's an evil bug |
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| 03:52.06 | Amarande | in the drakkensryd quest in stormpeaks |
| 03:52.10 | Amarande | if you get LoS'd when harpooning |
| 03:52.14 | Amarande | actually, now I'm not so sure it's a bug |
| 03:52.24 | Amarande | but if you get LoS'd when harpooning, it's a LONG WAY DOWN |
| 03:52.32 | Amarande | and yeah, you go splat :| |
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| 03:55.47 | DWSR | l2parachute. |
| 03:56.16 | Arrowmaster | is around the world normally this slow and long? |
| 03:56.34 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: you mean, daft punk? |
| 03:56.38 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: your bass is broken. |
| 03:56.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 03:56.55 | Jerub | yes, it is, if you can't listen to it properly. |
| 03:57.11 | Arrowmaster | my bass isnt broken |
| 03:57.18 | Jerub | well, either that, or you are. |
| 03:57.28 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Yes, that's the original tempo. |
| 03:57.52 | Arrowmaster | it just sounds so weird like that |
| 03:59.00 | Jerub | goes back to listening to Throw Your Arms Around Me - DAAS |
| 03:59.09 | Amarande | DWSR: you don't get a parachute there |
| 03:59.16 | Amarande | I'm not sure it's a situation that was accounted for in the design :| |
| 03:59.25 | Amarande | now if I can just get off this drake without dying |
| 03:59.36 | Xyphoid | drakkensryd is pretty funny as a hunter |
| 04:00.15 | Xyphoid | they specifically coded stuff to make raptor strike tip the girls off their mount sometimes |
| 04:01.36 | Amarande | btw, is it even possible for a reasonably geared 80 to lose there, assuming you don't get LoS glitched like I did? |
| 04:02.12 | Amarande | apparently, I was in LoS when I hit the harpoon button, but due to lag I was out of it when it processed, and the game can't handle the idea of the harpoon chain passing through rock |
| 04:02.25 | Amarande | so it dismounted me without being able to send me over to the other drake and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*splut* |
| 04:05.08 | Amarande | good god, how tall is that mountain anyway |
| 04:05.20 | Amarande | I think it might be further vertically down than it is horizontally back to Brunnhildar |
| 04:07.58 | Kraps | "Leaving WoW for Starcraft II?" |
| 04:08.18 | Kraps | playing 2 games at the same time is hard |
| 04:08.20 | Amarande | you know, they should have had the Lich King drop a rideable Val'kyr :) |
| 04:08.24 | Jerub | Kraps: new bnet means i can play both! |
| 04:08.48 | Jerub | Kraps: but yes, i seriously considered i tbefore i heard about the realid integration |
| 04:08.49 | Amarande | or would that have been too kinky for wow |
| 04:09.15 | Amarande | not that WoW is without its share of kinky references, I'm sure there's a reason the riding crop needs level 69 and not 70 |
| 04:09.35 | Amarande | or its share of downright creepy references, anyone else ever gather the Twin Stars set in BC? |
| 04:11.03 | Jerub | 'morning glory dew' |
| 04:11.12 | Jerub | a bowl of white substance. |
| 04:11.14 | Jerub | :/ |
| 04:15.26 | Kraps | [Killzone'jaeden]: Maybe he'll buy you a "pwny" |
| 04:15.28 | Kraps | [Killzone'jaeden]: Hahaha see what I did there |
| 04:15.29 | Kraps | [Kel'Thuz4d]: i dont get it |
| 04:15.31 | Kraps | [Kel'Thuz4d]: wait ok but thats dumb |
| 04:18.13 | Shirik | ok I have a new favorite emoticon |
| 04:18.17 | Shirik | (ã¥ï½¡ââ¿â¿â｡)㥠|
| 04:18.31 | Kraps | Shirik you make me sad |
| 04:22.36 | Shirik | why :( |
| 04:23.34 | Kraps | pikachu is ok i guess |
| 04:23.50 | Zyn | (⬠ಠçಠ) |
| 04:24.39 | Nechckn | Pochacco is better than Pikachu, any day. |
| 04:25.12 | Nechckn | Although, that is a rather cute sig, I guess. |
| 04:25.33 | Shirik | (ã¥ï½¡ââ¿â¿â｡)㥠(ã¥ï½¡ââ¿â¿â｡)㥠(ã¥ï½¡ââ¿â¿â｡)㥠|
| 04:26.11 | Nechckn | cuteness.overload. |
| 04:26.30 | Nechckn | I think one of my brain cells just imploded from viewing that. |
| 04:26.43 | Shirik | :D |
| 04:27.09 | Amarande | Nechckn: computer-induced diabetes? |
| 04:27.40 | Nechckn | More like flesh eating virus, Amarande, but roughly the same root cause. |
| 04:27.47 | Shirik | um |
| 04:27.49 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=364056431&oldid=362702560 |
| 04:28.06 | Shirik | obvious answer: post on Wikipedia |
| 04:28.07 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:28.59 | Nechckn | Some of those nuggets you find make me a sad panda. |
| 04:29.25 | Shirik | nuggets? |
| 04:30.13 | Nechckn | One reason why I rarely bother reading any comments to blogposts or anything of the sort, anymore. Seems like you have either total jerks or just the total partisan "agree" and "disagree" camps. |
| 04:31.00 | Nechckn | "I think this is a great idea!" "That would suck" "no, you suck, if you do not understand" et infinitum |
| 04:31.03 | Arrowmaster | god i want more of this type of stuff, why isnt there more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzOF9w8kG-c |
| 04:31.16 | Shirik | we need more http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=364056431&oldid=362702560 in blog posts |
| 04:31.17 | Shirik | crap |
| 04:31.18 | Shirik | no |
| 04:31.24 | Shirik | more (ã¥ï½¡ââ¿â¿â｡)㥠in blog posts |
| 04:31.45 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ptYTGTNiyQ |
| 04:32.41 | Amarande | hmm, is it just me or is the dps shaman more or less extinct |
| 04:32.54 | Amarande | I can't remember the last time I saw one in a group, even though I've seen plenty of shaman heals |
| 04:33.14 | Amarande | and apparently you *have* to have a shaman dps to do sarth+3d and this one raid can't find one :S |
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| 04:36.15 | PProvost | We've got a bunch of shaman dps |
| 04:42.49 | Nechckn | Shirik that was like that dude a few days ago posting about liking to put things in his butt on different pages. |
| 04:43.00 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:43.05 | Shirik | ?? |
| 04:43.23 | Amarande | PProvost: do they just hide, then? :) |
| 04:43.34 | Nechckn | One of the reverts you linked, was some guy placing "I like to put things in my butt" on different wiki pages. |
| 04:43.44 | Amarande | actually, it seems like half the time lately I get all plate classes except the healer |
| 04:43.48 | Amarande | occasionally a hunter or lock |
| 04:43.56 | Amarande | and that seems to be about it lol |
| 04:55.33 | Amarande | where have all the rogues, dps druids and shamans, and mages gone? |
| 04:55.45 | Amarande | (as for dps priests, I do see shadowies every now and then) |
| 04:56.08 | NightHawkTheSane | nowhere |
| 04:56.09 | |Jelly| | I see more damned arcane mages than anything else. |
| 04:56.25 | NightHawkTheSane | We regularly have all of those classes in our raids |
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| 05:00.10 | Xyphoid | levelling non-tank/healer classes in lfd is not fun |
| 05:00.32 | Xyphoid | i don't even bother queueing on my rogue |
| 05:00.50 | Xyphoid | 60 minute queues sometimes |
| 05:01.13 | Amarande | ehh, usually what I do when leveling/questing on dps is put them in the queue and then go quest meanwhile |
| 05:01.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yeesh. bitch more. you can queue, and go quest |
| 05:01.26 | NightHawkTheSane | that's fucking luxury. |
| 05:01.26 | Amarande | basically always being in the queue while I do my questing, unless I'm in the middle of an escort or something else similar like that |
| 05:01.46 | NightHawkTheSane | All but one of my DPSers hit 80 before the dungeon queue was in place. |
| 05:02.06 | NightHawkTheSane | rather, the random one. |
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| 05:10.04 | WobWork | what would you call a function that determined the indefinite particle for a noun? ie, a/an [consonant/vowel]word |
| 05:10.53 | NightHawkTheSane | findIndefiniteArticle()? |
| 05:10.56 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 05:16.37 | Amarande | heh, if only english was that easy to parse |
| 05:17.53 | NightHawkTheSane | it kind of is, if you know what you're doing |
| 05:32.31 | Amarande | oh, GOD. |
| 05:32.42 | Amarande | Night, have you ever had this happen to you due to phasing? |
| 05:32.56 | Amarande | where you reach for a herb/mining node and then it just fades without any noticeable reason why? |
| 05:33.05 | Amarande | quite maddening, really :) |
| 05:33.14 | Amarande | at least in unphased areas you get to see people ninja your node :) |
| 05:35.10 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 05:35.20 | Jerub | fucking phasing |
| 05:35.25 | NightHawkTheSane | because i dont stand there wondering why something disappeared |
| 05:35.37 | NightHawkTheSane | I understand how the system works, and realize that someone got therebefore me, so I go on my merry way. |
| 05:35.40 | Jerub | blizzard really fucked up phasing and never fixed it. |
| 05:35.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: nah, it works pretty well all things considered |
| 05:36.09 | Jerub | "lets have a really pivotal set of quests that everyone really does, but you can't get help with because everyone's at a different phase" |
| 05:36.13 | Jerub | including group quests |
| 05:36.19 | NightHawkTheSane | the only really big issue is a few literal edge cases where something is phased and probably shouldn't be (usually due to added content later) |
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| 05:37.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: that's an inevitability that's obnoxious to try and work around |
| 05:37.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not really that put out that they didn't try. |
| 05:38.21 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: it gets old when you get to your 3rd 80 going through icecrown |
| 05:38.25 | NightHawkTheSane | though, there is an argument to be made that a lot of the neat icecrown content goes unseen due to it. which is a game |
| 05:38.30 | NightHawkTheSane | shame* |
| 05:38.33 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh |
| 05:39.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: *shrug* i dunno, i got used to it pretty quickly |
| 05:39.19 | NightHawkTheSane | after my 3rd 80, i kinda stopped caring and just wanted to -get- to 80 |
| 05:40.23 | Grum | the whole phased content is just one big failure imho |
| 05:40.44 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 05:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hardly |
| 05:40.46 | Grum | even if you are in the same 'phase' (or when you cross a boundary to the same one) basic stuff like following breaks |
| 05:40.55 | NightHawkTheSane | storm peaks is actually pretty damn awesome |
| 05:41.10 | Grum | the things they do with it is ok but the implementation is just fail |
| 05:41.11 | NightHawkTheSane | it's far less reliant on grouping than icecrown |
| 05:41.34 | Grum | the whole idea of ending up in a difference 'plane' just sucks from a mmo pov |
| 05:41.50 | Jerub | yep. |
| 05:41.53 | Grum | the world is empty enough as it is, now lets place people in their own world if they are on a certain quest |
| 05:41.54 | Jerub | and there's no interface to it. |
| 05:41.56 | Grum | hurray ... |
| 05:42.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Grum: I dont know of any good solution to that, though |
| 05:42.07 | Grum | yeah and no way to see if you are in a phase area |
| 05:42.11 | Jerub | like, if there were a visual indicator of /any/ kind that party members were on a different phase |
| 05:42.24 | Grum | how often havent you wanted to trade something .. and had to fly out of icecrown to get away from the retard phasing |
| 05:42.25 | Thunder_Child | i have no problem with it with the exception of trying to summon people for ICC |
| 05:42.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Grum: never :) |
| 05:42.41 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: sigh icc |
| 05:42.43 | Grum | or summoning |
| 05:42.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: yeah, issues like that, where phased content overlaps with shouldnt-be-phased content |
| 05:43.01 | Grum | the whole thing is, if its a leveling zone you just pass through, no-one cares |
| 05:43.04 | Jerub | if i were responsible for letting that get through QA i'd clean out my desk. |
| 05:43.04 | NightHawkTheSane | that's something that's kind of a big slip-up, it should have been easy to avoid |
| 05:43.13 | Grum | but if you put endgame material in it .. it just fails |
| 05:43.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: meh, mistakes get made, shit happens, life goes on |
| 05:43.39 | NightHawkTheSane | few companies will ever fire someone for something like that |
| 05:43.39 | Grum | the downside is they are going to use phasing *massively* for wrath |
| 05:43.51 | Grum | eerrr |
| 05:43.52 | Grum | cata >< |
| 05:43.58 | Jerub | yeah, phased terrain |
| 05:46.38 | Grum | i can only hope they will force everyone to be in the same terrain once a certain treshold is passed |
| 05:46.41 | Grum | ideally one people cannot pick |
| 05:50.20 | Jerub | yeah, |
| 05:50.37 | Jerub | the island that we reclaim at the end of BC is a good eample |
| 05:50.39 | Jerub | example |
| 05:50.50 | Jerub | even if that were phased to begin with |
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| 05:56.40 | ArrPirate | hiya |
| 05:58.32 | ArrPirate | I managed to make a very simple Hello World addon using the Data Broker library. Trying to figure out what exactly I did and why it works, though :D |
| 05:58.40 | ArrPirate | I'm an experienced C++ developer |
| 05:58.49 | zenzio | :) |
| 05:59.37 | ArrPirate | I get what a lot of it means, pretty simple since I dabbled with Lua for about 6 hours a month or so ago |
| 06:00.15 | ArrPirate | f:SetScript("OnEvent", function (self, event) |
| 06:00.15 | ArrPirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.15 | ArrPirate | end) |
| 06:00.18 | ArrPirate | oops, sorry |
| 06:00.22 | ArrPirate | meant to make that one line |
| 06:00.33 | ArrPirate | f is a call to a CreateFrame at the very beginning |
| 06:00.47 | ArrPirate | what event exactly is 'OnEvent' I don't see it anywhere else |
| 06:01.13 | zenzio | OnEvent is a script handler |
| 06:01.29 | zenzio | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts |
| 06:03.11 | ArrPirate | ah |
| 06:03.44 | ArrPirate | so, when used in conjunction with 'f:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_LOGIN")' it means that when I log in my character, updateObject() fires off? |
| 06:04.06 | zenzio | yes |
| 06:04.24 | ArrPirate | ah, cool |
| 06:04.27 | zenzio | if you register more than one event, you'll probably want to check which event was passed before you call the function |
| 06:04.41 | tlund | do you do f:Show() after it is created? |
| 06:04.49 | Amarande | haha |
| 06:04.57 | ArrPirate | no, because it's a Broker addon |
| 06:04.58 | Amarande | "I love Blizzard. I do. But my God, whoever designed [Thrusting Hodir's Spear] and the Valiant encounters should be forced to listen to elevator music for 36 hours straight." |
| 06:05.03 | Amarande | -- wowhead comment |
| 06:05.09 | ArrPirate | Broker handles the displaying |
| 06:05.17 | tlund | ok |
| 06:06.41 | krka | i love the names of all those giant-quests :) |
| 06:07.02 | krka | though childish they are |
| 06:07.59 | Amarande | krka: the spear one is kinda fail in its design |
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| 06:08.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, they should have made it harder. |
| 06:08.18 | Amarande | quests where they design it to expect you to use skill in using the provided skills, where this actually gets you killed, are fail. |
| 06:08.32 | Amarande | Night: they should have actually made it viable to make use of the skills the way they were designed |
| 06:08.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: they did |
| 06:08.42 | Amarande | as it is, your grip fails too fast for that to work, and you have to just spam the damage skills and hope |
| 06:08.51 | NightHawkTheSane | no, it doesn't |
| 06:08.58 | NightHawkTheSane | the skills, and the quest, work absolutely fine |
| 06:09.10 | NightHawkTheSane | if you're not full of fail, it's a pretty trivial quest to do |
| 06:09.19 | kd3 | if you do the prompted actions, it's a damned easy quest |
| 06:09.54 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, with a decent ability to count steadily and the ability to listen for audio queues, you could do it blindfolded |
| 06:10.00 | kd3 | there are quests that are more involved than "PUSH BUTON HARDER FOR MORE DPS!!!!1111!" |
| 06:10.39 | Amarande | kd3: I'm saying that this one is the reverse, at least according to wowhead |
| 06:10.43 | Jerub | kd3: and most of them are sufficiently poorly explained to require going to thott/wowhead/wowiki/et-al to find out what you actually need to do. |
| 06:10.50 | Amarande | this one, you succeed if you PUSH BUTON HARDER FOR MORE DPS!!!!1111! |
| 06:11.02 | kd3 | had to figure out what to do so he could put it on the wiki... |
| 06:11.09 | kd3 | think I died only once, my very first time? |
| 06:11.18 | Amarande | while if you actually try to take the time and effort to dodge and maintain a good grip, you die because the grip fails faster and faster as p1 goes on, and eventually fails so fast that you can't keep it up at all |
| 06:11.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i never looked up what to do |
| 06:11.20 | zenzio | most people only die once |
| 06:11.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i've only died once or twice. |
| 06:11.25 | Arrowmaster | if you do it as a warlock you seriously CANT die |
| 06:11.28 | NightHawkTheSane | the scond time was me being dumb |
| 06:11.41 | Amarande | I've pretty much got the hang of the dodging but I can't seem to get it down fast enough to not fall |
| 06:12.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no, if you do what it tells you to do, and use the skills as you're supposed to use them, not only does it work, and well, it's very easy |
| 06:13.42 | ArrPirate | how do I assign a string to a variable, say variable X, with a number substitution? For example, if I wanted to do something like: X = "test" + number |
| 06:13.57 | ArrPirate | so it'd display like 'test 1234' |
| 06:14.03 | zenzio | .. |
| 06:14.09 | WobWork | ^ |
| 06:14.21 | NightHawkTheSane | '..' is the concatenation operator. |
| 06:14.27 | NightHawkTheSane | (sans quotes) |
| 06:15.17 | ArrPirate | so, would something like this work: X = "You have: " .. UnitXP("player") .. " XP." |
| 06:15.19 | ArrPirate | ? |
| 06:15.27 | zenzio | yes |
| 06:15.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 06:15.33 | ArrPirate | awesome |
| 06:19.44 | NightHawkTheSane | lulz, missed at 15 stacks. >.> Anyway, yeah, that quest is still mind bogglingly easy |
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| 06:22.53 | Amarande | yay should enchants. |
| 06:23.00 | Amarande | *shoulder |
| 06:23.57 | ArrPirate | yay :D |
| 06:24.04 | |Jelly| | gRATS |
| 06:24.06 | |Jelly| | oops |
| 06:24.40 | ArrPirate | I made a broker addon that displays how much XP you currently have, how much you need to level, and it updates every time your XP changes :D |
| 06:25.38 | Arrowmaster | ArrPirate: you can also use string.format |
| 06:27.05 | ArrPirate | one quick question.... when registering multiple events, how would I go about doing that? I want to do a RegisterEvent() for login and XP gain and I want a SetScript to fire on either instance and do exactly the same thing |
| 06:27.17 | Amarande | aaahhhhhh this area makes you disoriented |
| 06:27.25 | Amarande | flying downward from the peak where thorim is |
| 06:27.32 | Amarande | you can't see the ground and start to wonder sometimes if you're going up or down lol |
| 06:27.48 | Amarande | or maybe even sideways |
| 06:27.56 | ArrPirate | Amarande, I think there's an addon that tells you your angle of flight and/or height or something like that |
| 06:28.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I wrote basicAttitude, which indicates your pitch angle, as well as relative speed |
| 06:28.47 | ArrPirate | that might be what I'm thinking of |
| 06:29.23 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont recall seeing any other addon that did it, but I haven't checked in a long while |
| 06:29.50 | ArrPirate | depending on how easy it is to detect positioning data in the API, it should be a pretty simple addon to make |
| 06:30.28 | Amarande | why did they have to make that peak so sillily tall, anyway :S |
| 06:30.44 | NightHawkTheSane | there's actually an API for getting the pitch of a unit |
| 06:30.54 | ArrPirate | NightHawkTheSane, you know would be cool? make your addon have cool airplane-like graphics, like the HUD in a fighter jet :D |
| 06:31.02 | ArrPirate | only stylized to appear magicy or something |
| 06:31.26 | frontendloader | ArrPirate: you can create a faux frame and register it for every event you want and then just setscript that frame to do w/e |
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| 06:31.39 | Amarande | haha |
| 06:31.42 | NightHawkTheSane | it's just a matter of doing the math to convert it into degrees. And there's an API for speed as well, and some (relatively) basic trigonometry can convert that into you're relative velocity based on your pitch |
| 06:31.52 | NightHawkTheSane | ArrPirate: If I was good enough to do that, I would have. I wish someone would. |
| 06:31.53 | Amarande | one of the blue giant women lost her mount |
| 06:31.53 | ArrPirate | frontendloader: I'm a complete lua/wow programming noob |
| 06:31.57 | Amarande | and is floating in the air near thorim's peak |
| 06:32.12 | frontendloader | local frame = CreateFrame("Frame") |
| 06:32.27 | Amarande | you know, I wonder if that was the one on the drake that I tried to jump to when it glitched out on me and dumped me ... |
| 06:32.32 | ArrPirate | oh, I already have that, frontendloader |
| 06:32.40 | ArrPirate | I already have one event registered |
| 06:32.41 | frontendloader | frame:RegisterEvent("something") |
| 06:32.43 | frontendloader | frame:RegisterEvent("something else") |
| 06:32.45 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, I did basicAttitude just as a proof-of-concept, to show that you could calculate attitude (and eventually relative velocity) |
| 06:32.51 | ArrPirate | oh, cool |
| 06:33.07 | frontendloader | frame:SetScript(function() { stuff goes here }) |
| 06:33.27 | olafski | arrowmaster: got the last of the unstoppable achieves in too human :) now I just need the remaining 5 pieces of the elite set and a tier 3 charm =( |
| 06:33.49 | Arrowmaster | damn you may get 1000/1000 before me |
| 06:33.59 | frontendloader | I think you might just use regular parenthesis and not curly brackets |
| 06:34.01 | Arrowmaster | although ive got the ones your missing |
| 06:34.13 | frontendloader | I forget, been doing some ruby lately and it might have gotten mixed in |
| 06:34.18 | olafski | used bio engineer for unstoppable: ice forest btw |
| 06:34.21 | Antiarc | Augh :< |
| 06:34.25 | Antiarc | This is frustrating |
| 06:34.27 | olafski | just a new char I rolled, it took about 3-4 hours to do that map |
| 06:34.40 | Antiarc | According to my calculations, the range on bandage is 17.9 yards, but I know it's only 15 yards |
| 06:34.45 | Arrowmaster | olafski: go cyber? |
| 06:34.48 | Antiarc | And I can't figure out where the hell I'm not accounting for scale. |
| 06:34.51 | olafski | yeah but I didn't put points in that tree |
| 06:34.56 | olafski | the final boss is rather easy if you get 10/10 sentient weapon ;) |
| 06:35.35 | olafski | shoot the barrels to get him down, regen to full between every floor, before the final floor respec 10/10 sentient.. I used 2 ruiners on the mobs that spawn with him, then released the sentient weapon and watched the boss die |
| 06:36.00 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: maybe its not center of source to center of target? i thought a lot of things were actually edge of source to center of target |
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| 06:37.05 | Arrowmaster | olafski: you got the preorder bonus? to help with act1 and finish all the arenas so you get the full armor set? |
| 06:37.19 | olafski | I do have the preorder bonus |
| 06:37.26 | Arrowmaster | figured, me too |
| 06:37.27 | olafski | but I replaced most of it by the time I reached the end of act 2 |
| 06:37.53 | Arrowmaster | well you should have replaced it all during act1 with the lvl8 set |
| 06:38.05 | olafski | yeah the dragon stuff |
| 06:38.10 | olafski | I used about 3 of those |
| 06:38.13 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: Hm. I'd assumed it was point-to-point. |
| 06:38.18 | olafski | for the rest I just picked random stuff with +bio engineer regen |
| 06:38.23 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: look at librangecheck |
| 06:39.29 | Arrowmaster | olafski: when i was trying to do act2 unstoppable i used a new cyber defender the reflect status effect ability helped a ton but it took forever to kill stuff |
| 06:39.39 | olafski | anywho, gotta go.. more farming tonight :) |
| 06:39.48 | olafski | yeah.. status effects seemed to last shorter on the bio engineer |
| 06:40.01 | olafski | so I just rolled them off (that helps!) and regenerated, or used the spider to heal me |
| 06:40.01 | Arrowmaster | and then there was like one gold elite spider boss right before the final boss that killed me |
| 06:40.04 | Arrowmaster | i was pissed |
| 06:41.09 | Arrowmaster | i need unstoppable act4 which for me is impossible on my zerker, i think i have to create a commando to do it |
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| 06:44.23 | ArrPirate | is there anything wrong in this line? dataobj.text = .. current_xp .. "/" .. max_xp .. " XP!" |
| 06:44.41 | Arrowmaster | the first .. |
| 06:44.59 | ArrPirate | oh, duh, lol |
| 06:45.15 | Arrowmaster | maybe you want to use string.format instead? |
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| 06:54.24 | ArrPirate | if I have a number, say, 15.749 and I want to truncate it so it rounds after the first decimal place, how would I do that? |
| 06:54.41 | ArrPirate | or if I just want it purely truncated, no rounding? |
| 06:55.12 | ArrPirate | nevermind, figured it out |
| 06:55.18 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ |
| 06:55.38 | NightHawkTheSane | for basic stuff like that, google & the lua manual are good resources. |
| 06:56.09 | NightHawkTheSane | also, you may find the pil handy: |
| 06:56.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pil |
| 06:56.11 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 06:56.20 | NightHawkTheSane | goes to sleep. |
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| 06:57.20 | haste | lua> local n = 10^1 print(math.floor(15.749 * n + .5) / n) |
| 06:57.20 | lua_bot | haste: 15.7 |
| 06:57.39 | haste | lua> string.format('%.1f', 15.749) |
| 06:57.39 | lua_bot | haste: 15.7 |
| 06:57.49 | haste | both work, second returns a number however |
| 06:57.53 | haste | s/number/string/ |
| 06:58.41 | Arrowmaster | second is probably best for his needs though |
| 06:58.55 | haste | they do the same pretty much |
| 06:59.07 | haste | both handle rounding |
| 06:59.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah but hes doing a LDB plugin so its going to be mixed in with text |
| 06:59.58 | WobWork | can you chain RaF? |
| 07:00.06 | WobWork | ie, you RaF someone, and they RaF someone else |
| 07:00.47 | haste | I didn't know that Arrowmaster :P |
| 07:00.57 | ArrPirate | I've got a pretty nice addon going here :D A broker addon that shows my current xp, my max xp to level, my percentage of completion as far as that goes. It displays like '15.2k/22.4k (67.71%) XP!', it doesn't do the k roundings unless you're above 1,000 xp, and it updates when you gain XP or you log in |
| 07:01.37 | haste | you could have taken the si-value function from so to say any oUF layout tho' :3 |
| 07:01.45 | Amarande | Wob: I'm pretty sure every WoW subscriber is eligible to RaF people, whether or not they were RaF'd to begin with |
| 07:01.57 | Amarande | but no, I don't think you can get stacking triple xp buffs :P |
| 07:04.43 | WobWork | well, would the stacking buff work with both myself and Target A and with Target A and Target B? |
| 07:07.46 | Nechckn | WobWork Interesting idea - dunno, myself. |
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| 07:30.58 | Amarande | wb Cairenn :) |
| 07:31.11 | Cairenn | heh, I forgot to change my nick back |
| 07:31.46 | haste | that was a long episode! |
| 07:32.44 | Cairenn | as I said, forgot to change my nick back |
| 07:32.52 | Shadowed | welcome back Cairenn! |
| 07:32.55 | Cairenn | :p |
| 07:32.58 | Cairenn | hi |
| 07:34.34 | Arrowmaster | wtf its 3:30am and the house phone just rang |
| 07:34.46 | Arrowmaster | think it was a fax too |
| 07:35.23 | Amarande | but Arrowmaster, they just want to offer you wonderful Carribbean vacations at exorbitant prices |
| 07:36.04 | Amarande | not that I can criticize the carribbean that much. my gf is from puerto rico. |
| 07:36.04 | ArrPirate | I'm having a brain fart right now... how would I go about calculating how much XP I'm making per hour? |
| 07:36.21 | Antiarc | Depends on how bit a time window you use |
| 07:36.30 | cbreak_work | divide XP you made in the sampling period by the duration of the sampling period |
| 07:36.49 | cbreak_work | or you could track a rolling average of some kind |
| 07:37.08 | cbreak_work | maybe a boxed rolling average. |
| 07:39.09 | ArrPirate | like perhaps the last 100 xp gains, keeping each entry for a maximum time period, output the average? |
| 07:39.33 | cbreak_work | no |
| 07:40.56 | WobWork | you need to box by time |
| 07:40.58 | WobWork | not by sample |
| 07:41.17 | WobWork | or it won't be accurate |
| 07:41.44 | ArrPirate | so, record every XP gain I've had in a given window of time, average them together? |
| 07:41.58 | Arrowmaster | i would probably add the current xp to a table every minute and if the table had more than 60 entries remove the oldest one and shift the rest, then to calculate compare the xp from 60 minutes ago to the current |
| 07:42.20 | ArrPirate | oh, good idea |
| 07:42.36 | WobWork | that'll work past the first hour, so adjust the time used to calculate accordingly =) |
| 07:42.52 | Arrowmaster | youll want to use table.insert and table.delete to do that |
| 07:45.18 | Fisker | wobi |
| 07:45.20 | Fisker | fu |
| 07:45.21 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 07:45.24 | Fisker | i fucked your sons dog |
| 07:46.12 | ArrPirate | thanks |
| 07:46.31 | Torhal | pours hot grits down Fisker's pants. |
| 07:46.35 | ArrPirate | I'm using SetScript to handle updating my addon... how would I go about checking which event is triggering it? |
| 07:47.13 | Arrowmaster | event is passed as the 2nd arg to the function |
| 07:47.52 | Arrowmaster | earlier you pasted 'f:SetScript("OnEvent", function (self, event)' so you would just check the event variable |
| 07:48.05 | Fisker | do want Torhal |
| 07:48.07 | Torhal | frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, ...) if self[event] then return self[event] (self, event, ...) end end) |
| 07:48.08 | Fisker | ~seen Antiarc |
| 07:48.10 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (4d 10h 8m 57s) #wowace (4d 10h 8m 57s) #curseforge (4d 10h 8m 57s). Has said a total of 238 messages. Is idling for 11m 49s, last said: 'Depends on how bit a time window you use'. |
| 07:48.25 | Torhal | That will allow you to have things like frame:PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD() and such |
| 07:50.18 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 07:50.24 | Fisker | they finally gave us remote auction houses |
| 07:50.26 | Fisker | wheres your bot? |
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| 07:54.09 | Fisker | be here Antiarc |
| 07:54.13 | Fisker | or i will destroy you |
| 07:59.30 | Fisker | slaps Antiarc around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:01.50 | ArrPirate | if I wanted something to fire off every frame (not the most efficient thing to do, I know), would this work? |
| 08:01.53 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 08:01.55 | Fisker | not so hey Antiarc |
| 08:01.55 | WobWork | Fisker: wowbench.com/ ? |
| 08:02.01 | ArrPirate | frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self, elap) updateObject() end) |
| 08:02.10 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 08:02.31 | Fisker | huh WobWork ? |
| 08:03.42 | WobWork | (5:50:26 PM) Fisker: wheres your bot? |
| 08:04.02 | Fisker | that's not a bot |
| 08:04.09 | WobWork | That's not a moon! |
| 08:04.12 | Shadowed | Fisker is definitely a bot |
| 08:04.31 | Fisker | yeah well why don't you steal me and don't credit the bot author? |
| 08:04.41 | WobWork | ok |
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| 08:09.38 | WobWork | Antiarc: http://screencast.com/t/MTNlZTQ0OTQ what happened there? =P |
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| 08:10.41 | Fisker | hey Shadowed why so quiet all of the sudden? |
| 08:12.06 | haste | it's like... 3AM! |
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| 08:18.21 | Shadowed | Elkano: What was the item you said was incorrectly flagged for another faction? |
| 08:22.41 | Antiarc | WobWork: scanner died and had to rebooted |
| 08:22.56 | Antiarc | Anyone have a list of minimap ranges at various zoom levels? |
| 08:23.01 | Antiarc | Or does it vary per zone? |
| 08:23.18 | haste | it changes when you go inside buildings at least |
| 08:23.25 | Antiarc | yeah, it's different inside/outside |
| 08:25.03 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 08:25.10 | Fisker | i can has remote ah for eu |
| 08:25.23 | zenzio | no remote AH for you! Come back one year! |
| 08:26.09 | Amarande | god, that was the worst nexus run ever |
| 08:26.18 | Amarande | stoutbeard or his lackeys feared me into mobs and I died |
| 08:26.39 | Amarande | then after telestra I tiredly and woodenly accidentally pulled some mobs we were skipping and died |
| 08:26.56 | Amarande | and AS ALWAYS my DPS on keristrasza sucks ass because I keep getting tossed around and frozen |
| 08:27.11 | Amarande | you know what? I actually like oc now ... and hate nexus |
| 08:27.15 | Amarande | for so many people it's the other way round |
| 08:27.31 | zenzio | tossed around? Are you standing behind her? |
| 08:28.51 | Amarande | yeah, probably was |
| 08:29.02 | Amarande | it's habit for me to go behind bosses, standard melee dps tactics |
| 08:29.22 | Amarande | it wouldn't suck so much if I didn't *always* get frozen to the floor before I can get back |
| 08:31.30 | Amarande | or really, if I didn't always get frozen to the floor, period |
| 08:31.40 | Amarande | I'd like to get the ach at some point, :S |
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| 08:59.35 | ArrPirate | is there something wrong with this? local curr_xp = UnitXP("player") |
| 08:59.36 | ArrPirate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:00.05 | ArrPirate | replacing curr_xp with the number 1 works just fine |
| 09:01.10 | frontendloader | is curr_xp nil? |
| 09:01.27 | ArrPirate | shouldn't be... it's set to UnitXP("player") |
| 09:01.32 | frontendloader | you might be invoking UnitXP improperly, I believe you want to do full caps PLAYER |
| 09:01.38 | zenzio | ArrPirate: test it |
| 09:01.45 | zenzio | no, "player" is fine |
| 09:01.53 | zenzio | ArrPirate: are you running this very early in the loading process? |
| 09:01.54 | ArrPirate | displaying curr_xp works just fine |
| 09:02.04 | ArrPirate | I dunno |
| 09:02.10 | cbreak_work | when do you run it? |
| 09:02.32 | ArrPirate | I don't know exactly what you're asking |
| 09:02.35 | ArrPirate | I'm new to this |
| 09:02.48 | frontendloader | well the only other option is you might have a scope problem |
| 09:03.37 | frontendloader | but coming from C++ I doubt that is the issue |
| 09:04.28 | ArrPirate | the lua error is saying it's a nil value |
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| 09:12.56 | ArrPirate | lol |
| 09:12.58 | ArrPirate | stupid |
| 09:13.04 | ArrPirate | it was a stupid screwup |
| 09:13.15 | ArrPirate | I misread the api and so I had arguments in the wrong order |
| 09:13.21 | frontendloader | derp |
| 09:20.17 | Fisker | i came Arrowmaster |
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| 09:32.13 | ArrPirate | I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly |
| 09:32.23 | ArrPirate | I'm trying to calculate my xp/hour rate |
| 09:32.46 | Fisker | you suck |
| 09:32.51 | ArrPirate | I take a sample once a minute for an hour and I average them, and that's my true xp/hour rate, yes? |
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| 09:33.53 | Kalroth | a sample of what? |
| 09:35.06 | ArrPirate | xp rates |
| 09:35.08 | Fisker | your sperm Kalroth |
| 09:35.15 | ArrPirate | I think I'll change the way the calculations are working |
| 09:35.52 | ArrPirate | I'm currently taking a sample of my XP changes once per minute for an hour to get my true xp per hour rate... |
| 09:36.15 | Adys | !api UnitAura |
| 09:36.15 | lua_bot | UnitAura: Returns information about buffs/debuffs on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura) |
| 09:36.15 | ArrPirate | thinking of taking a sample every second for five minutes and multiplying that average by 12 |
| 09:37.39 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/6495648 |
| 09:37.44 | Wobin | parkour video |
| 09:40.07 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 09:40.10 | Fisker | do you know who i hate? |
| 09:41.18 | Wobin | Antiarc? |
| 09:44.57 | Torhal | Fisker: Your erectile dysfunction causes great rage. |
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| 10:14.09 | Wobin | best one line summary of Lost ever. |
| 10:14.12 | Wobin | "Locke's fall; everyone dies." |
| 10:14.31 | zenzio | spoiler? |
| 10:14.39 | Wobin | nope =P |
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| 10:59.47 | ArrPirate | I'm still having trouble with this xp per hour calculation. I'll describe my method and if I'm screwing up somewhere, someone please tell me |
| 11:00.59 | ArrPirate | I check, every second, if the current xp level is different than the xp level in the previous second. If it is, I add the difference to a table of samples, deleting any sample older than 2 minutes, meaning that there's a max of 120 samples |
| 11:02.13 | ArrPirate | then I add all of the samples and divide by the number of valid samples (any sample not nil or 0) and then I multiply that by 30 to get the average for an hour |
| 11:02.30 | ArrPirate | is that a valid way of getting my average xp per hour as an estimate or am I screwing up? |
| 11:04.12 | zenzio | I suppose it depends how "accurate" you want it |
| 11:04.17 | Antiarc | Wobin: I lol'd |
| 11:04.24 | Antiarc | Also doing neat things with hudmap, video incoming :D |
| 11:11.16 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uAtbj4UB4E&hd=1 |
| 11:15.06 | Wobin | Antiarc, track my PoM like a zigzag =) and let me know when it's used up =) |
| 11:15.54 | Antiarc | Wobin: That's on the todo list. |
| 11:16.06 | Antiarc | You can see a POM bounce around with a charge indicator. |
| 11:16.16 | Antiarc | You can do a lot with this. |
| 11:16.26 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/yzsbu.jpg |
| 11:16.41 | Legorol | ArrPirate: I think 2 minutes is too small a window. |
| 11:16.42 | Wobin | oh god creepy |
| 11:17.11 | ArrPirate | I do as well, which is why I upped it to 10 minutes |
| 11:17.15 | Legorol | ArrPirate: another problem is, when you check every second, how precisely is it in one second intervals? |
| 11:17.26 | ArrPirate | how do you mean? |
| 11:17.30 | Legorol | can it sometimes be 55, sometimes 66 seconds? |
| 11:17.41 | Legorol | i mean, are you sampling very precisely, exactly every 60.0 seconds? |
| 11:17.49 | ArrPirate | what I do is I check every frame to see if the previous second checked is different than the current second |
| 11:18.10 | Legorol | ok, that's close enough |
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| 11:18.16 | ArrPirate | so if you're getting a fraction of a frame per second, yeah, it's not going to be precise |
| 11:18.16 | Legorol | lastly, i think you have a logic flaw: |
| 11:18.19 | ArrPirate | otherwise it should be precise |
| 11:18.33 | Legorol | you are adding the difference to a table |
| 11:18.41 | Legorol | if you are sampling every 1 second interval, most differences will be 0 |
| 11:18.54 | Legorol | but you are then ignoring differences that are 0, claiming them invalid |
| 11:18.59 | Legorol | but that's not an invalid piece of data |
| 11:19.05 | Legorol | let me put it this way: |
| 11:19.23 | Legorol | let's say your character gains 100 xp every 1 minute, in single, 100 xp "bursts" |
| 11:19.28 | ArrPirate | ah, but should I ignore nil values or treat them as zero? |
| 11:19.37 | Legorol | then your table will look something like 100, 0, 0, 0, 0 .. 0, 100, 0, 0, 0 ... 0 |
| 11:19.45 | Legorol | well how can you ever have nil as a value? |
| 11:19.54 | Legorol | you are storing the differences in XP, no? |
| 11:19.59 | ArrPirate | if it's been less than ten minutes since I started taking samples |
| 11:20.22 | Legorol | ok let's worry about nil later, let me finish the explanation |
| 11:20.29 | ArrPirate | no need |
| 11:20.31 | ArrPirate | I see the flaw |
| 11:20.42 | Legorol | in the example i have givn, your explanation would result in 100 xp per second |
| 11:20.48 | ArrPirate | if I made 100 xp in ten seconds, the average per second is 10, not 100 |
| 11:20.54 | Legorol | yes |
| 11:21.07 | Legorol | if you were to add it up, the total is 200, you need to divide by 120, not by 2 |
| 11:21.16 | Legorol | ok, as for nil: |
| 11:21.26 | Legorol | you said you are sampling XP and taking differences |
| 11:21.33 | Legorol | XP is available pretty much from login |
| 11:21.41 | Legorol | so why are you getting nil entries in the first 10 minutes? |
| 11:24.12 | ArrPirate | because I'm checking difference per second.... filling a 10 minute buffer. Until ten minutes have been up there's going to be empty buffer space |
| 11:24.25 | Legorol | right |
| 11:24.35 | ArrPirate | if I log in right now, for the previous ten minutes there have been no differences in xp |
| 11:24.42 | Legorol | also, i'm not clear on whether you are adding 0 as an entry to your table in the first place, are you? |
| 11:24.51 | ArrPirate | I am, but not initially |
| 11:24.53 | Legorol | sure, i understand now where "nil" is coming from |
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| 11:24.57 | Arrowmaster | you can use the number of entries to figure out how long its been |
| 11:25.06 | ArrPirate | ... |
| 11:25.15 | ArrPirate | ok, Arrowmaster, not sure how that fits in, but yes |
| 11:26.22 | ArrPirate | I'm ok with my current set up |
| 11:26.24 | Legorol | in conclusion, suggested method is: sample every 1 second, store difference (even if it's 0), add up total, divide by number of non-nil entries. that's your XP gain per second |
| 11:26.25 | ArrPirate | when the buffer is full, I divide by the number of samples taken (10 minutes worth... 600 samples) |
| 11:26.40 | ArrPirate | when the buffer is mostly empty, I just divide by the number of non-nil samples |
| 11:26.54 | Legorol | right |
| 11:27.00 | Legorol | that's correct, as long as you do include 0-s in your count |
| 11:27.06 | ArrPirate | it'll make the sample be something reasonable when you first start killing when you log in rather than getting something like 2xp an hour at first |
| 11:27.35 | ArrPirate | let me kill something and see how it works, resetting my buffer really quick |
| 11:28.10 | Legorol | gotta go, bye |
| 11:28.23 | ArrPirate | k |
| 11:30.48 | ArrPirate | now to work out a bars/hr calculation :D |
| 11:31.21 | haste | bars/hr shouldn't be too hard |
| 11:31.30 | haste | just work out hourly and divide on numbers of bars |
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| 11:32.04 | Arrowmaster | its only 5% of the difference between the xp for the current level and the next level |
| 11:32.08 | Fisker | haste |
| 11:32.11 | Fisker | i'm being trolled |
| 11:32.14 | Fisker | and i hate it |
| 11:32.35 | ArrPirate | I was thinking of taking the xp needed to level, dividing by 20 (the number of bars), and that's the amount of xp to reach 1 bar, then see how my xp/hr compares to that |
| 11:32.39 | haste | are there 20 bars? |
| 11:32.48 | haste | hasn't seen the default XP bar in aeons. |
| 11:32.56 | ArrPirate | yes |
| 11:33.23 | haste | you could just go for "time left until bar is completed" |
| 11:33.47 | Fisker | damn haste |
| 11:33.52 | Fisker | Blizzard knows how to make money |
| 11:34.00 | Fisker | to use the remote AH properly i need to have 2 accounts :( |
| 11:34.56 | Arrowmaster | ArrPirate: but its not xp needed to level divided by 20, its the difference between the current level and the next level |
| 11:35.08 | ArrPirate | no |
| 11:35.27 | ArrPirate | bars per hour is current xp per hour divided by the xp needed to make a full bar |
| 11:38.13 | Arrowmaster | but really the only people that would find bars per hour even remotely useful is those still using the default interface to show the xp bar, others would probably rather have a direct percent per hour |
| 11:38.54 | ArrPirate | actually, I'm asked in dungeons all the time how many bars I have left to level |
| 11:39.00 | ArrPirate | so, it is useful to me |
| 11:39.29 | ArrPirate | and I can still very easily do a percentage per hour |
| 11:39.40 | ArrPirate | this is a learning addon for me, not an addon meant for public release |
| 11:40.23 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck, the blizz ui confuses me |
| 11:40.25 | Wobin | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=meme |
| 11:40.43 | Arrowmaster | local currXP = UnitXP("player"); local nextXP = UnitXPMax("player"); MainMenuExpBar:SetMinMaxValues(min(0, currXP), nextXP); MainMenuExpBar:SetValue(currXP); |
| 11:40.51 | GoldenAxe | i hate how my character frame goes yellow when i multishot even if i already misdirected. thats bs. |
| 11:41.21 | Arrowmaster | i thought the bar showed from one level to the next, not total |
| 11:41.37 | Elkano | Shadowed: http://www.elitistarmory.com/item/47619 (a bit late, I know ^^') |
| 11:43.51 | ArrPirate | ok |
| 11:44.30 | ArrPirate | so now I have my addon displaying my current XP, my xp needed to level, the percentage of completion in my level, how many bars that is, how much xp I'm making an hour, how man bars that is an hour, and ow many percent that is an hour |
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| 11:53.13 | Antiarc | So I had a really wicked idea |
| 11:53.18 | Antiarc | I think I can do boss location projection |
| 11:53.44 | GoldenAxe | your gana make blizz break more things. |
| 11:54.14 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: you are going to make alex cry |
| 11:54.32 | Antiarc | That's the fun of it :D |
| 11:55.03 | Arrowmaster | your intentionally trying to make it harder for him to do his job? |
| 11:55.25 | zenzio | Alex? |
| 11:55.26 | Antiarc | Nah. Just finding clever solutions is always fun. |
| 11:56.38 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: yoshi, the guy at blizzard that did the first version of the combatlog introduced in 2.4, actual job encounter designer |
| 11:57.03 | Arrowmaster | in Antiarc's guild if i remember correctly |
| 11:57.34 | Antiarc | Nah, not in my guild |
| 11:57.45 | Arrowmaster | oh then he was in xinhuan's |
| 11:58.15 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/juWMa.jpg |
| 11:59.07 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: looks like you are reinventing questhelpers locator feature |
| 11:59.11 | Arrowmaster | whatever its proper name is |
| 12:00.06 | Antiarc | The idea is that if I can capture range transition events with a location and radius, then cross-reference them, I can arrive at a common target location quite easily |
| 12:00.25 | Arrowmaster | yes ZorbaTHut already did this |
| 12:00.46 | Antiarc | In a party/raid context? |
| 12:00.58 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 12:01.08 | Antiarc | Actually |
| 12:01.14 | Antiarc | I don't even need a whole lot of range events |
| 12:01.19 | Arrowmaster | your going to make it sync with party members? |
| 12:01.22 | Antiarc | Possibly. |
| 12:01.30 | Antiarc | Though I just thought of a way to do it without having to sync, I think |
| 12:01.48 | Antiarc | Syncing would make it discover far more accurately, though |
| 12:02.08 | Antiarc | Regardless, I don't think that's something I'd release into the wild without getting a least a non-condemnation of it first |
| 12:02.14 | Arrowmaster | yeah talk to ZorbaTHut, he already did this |
| 12:02.21 | Antiarc | The math isn't that hard |
| 12:02.26 | Antiarc | It's just a matter of the data collection |
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| 12:05.48 | Arrowmaster | ok sleepy time |
| 12:05.49 | Wobin | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_R8xVtHAV1lc/S_IDL_V1uSI/AAAAAAAAIjY/kTLS9uVjTJc/s400/severehaildamage.jpg |
| 12:08.56 | Antiarc | Yeah, wow, I just figured out how to do it reasonably accurately without any syncing or range state change events, I think |
| 12:09.21 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it sounds like you're making an extension of something I did before |
| 12:09.48 | Antiarc | The academic application would be approximate boss location discovery in realtime for the purpose of strategic movement planning in realtime |
| 12:09.59 | ZorbaTHut | I'd always thought about trying to do what you're doing now. Should be quite doable, however, I think there's *almost* enough information to pull it off without any sync |
| 12:10.13 | Antiarc | Autoattack will easily do it in a 25man raid, I think |
| 12:10.26 | ZorbaTHut | Note that monster distance is, I believe, based on character-edge-to-target-edge distance |
| 12:10.29 | Antiarc | That's always a 5-yard range, and you'll get those events from melee and tank(s) |
| 12:10.35 | ZorbaTHut | since bosses tend to be very large, you're going to have to compensate for that. |
| 12:10.37 | Antiarc | Yeah, which will let me approximate the boss's hitbox, too |
| 12:10.45 | ZorbaTHut | True. Just means you can't ignore the issue :) |
| 12:11.05 | ZorbaTHut | In some ways what you're trying to do is actually easier than what I tried to do, since you don't need to keep history information around |
| 12:11.17 | Antiarc | I can use known spell ranges and basically just build a minimum hitbox circle, then project the boss to be at the center of that |
| 12:11.19 | ZorbaTHut | once you can cajole WoW into giving you the info you need, that is. |
| 12:11.24 | Antiarc | It won't be perfect, but it should be within a couple of yards |
| 12:11.38 | Antiarc | So I can just fudge range warning indicators by a certain margin to account for that. |
| 12:12.12 | Wobin | academics aside |
| 12:12.23 | Wobin | how close are you to Blizzard limiting the API more? =P |
| 12:12.37 | Antiarc | I don't think I can comment. :P |
| 12:12.48 | ZorbaTHut | if Blizzard doesn't have to spend money duplicating or breaking your UI mod, you're not doing anything interesting enough to care. :D |
| 12:12.56 | Wobin | perhaps we should leave it to theory =P |
| 12:13.22 | Antiarc | Honestly, I don't think I would release this bit of the code just because it extrapolates information they've specifically hidden. |
| 12:13.30 | Antiarc | If I got a thumbs-up on it, sure :P |
| 12:14.16 | ZorbaTHut | I would, mostly because I'd find it fascinating. :D |
| 12:14.33 | Wobin | this is why Antiarc is Lawful Good |
| 12:14.37 | Wobin | and Zorba Chaotic Good =P |
| 12:14.39 | ZorbaTHut | I'm surprised the logging sites don't yet show player and monster positions throughout fights. it's always seemed like an obvious extension of what they do. |
| 12:14.49 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, I cannot, in any sense, argue with that :) |
| 12:15.04 | Antiarc | That's such a tremendous amount of data. I can understand why they don't. |
| 12:16.12 | ZorbaTHut | psht, it's not that much. drop it to one-inch resolution and center the coordinate system around the boss fight center, then bitpack it down adaptively |
| 12:16.26 | ZorbaTHut | and you can compress the hell out of anyone who's standing still. guess what most people do in most fights |
| 12:17.30 | ZorbaTHut | you can use antiarc's triangulation system to figure out where monsters are, and with a little extra mojo you can determine roughly where things like Defile landed based on who's getting hit by 'em. |
| 12:17.42 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 12:17.51 | Fisker | it is time |
| 12:17.55 | Fisker | bottiems? |
| 12:21.42 | Fisker | then i hate you Antiarc |
| 12:21.49 | Fisker | puts on his grrr face |
| 12:21.57 | Antiarc | you could write your own :P |
| 12:22.26 | Fisker | you wish |
| 12:22.51 | Fisker | you probably have one running the neutral ah :P |
| 12:23.04 | Fisker | pretty annoying you have to stay loggedo ut |
| 12:23.06 | Fisker | out* |
| 12:23.10 | Wobin | yeah |
| 12:23.24 | Fisker | i could get it if i couldn't use the same character |
| 12:23.27 | Fisker | but the whole account? |
| 12:23.28 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:24.18 | Fisker | already sold auctions at twice the price :D |
| 12:24.33 | Fisker | Took a few horde pets and slapped them on neutral ah for double the price |
| 12:24.46 | Fisker | could probably have gone 3 times the price but didn't have any data |
| 12:24.53 | Fisker | BECAUSE ANTIARC IS WITHHOLDING INFORMATIONS |
| 12:25.10 | Antiarc | you realize my code is on github right |
| 12:26.13 | Fisker | yeah |
| 12:26.18 | Fisker | but that would entail doing stuff |
| 12:26.20 | Fisker | and stuff |
| 12:26.21 | Fisker | also ruby |
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| 12:35.18 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 12:35.19 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 12:36.28 | Fisker | anyway Antiarc |
| 12:36.49 | Fisker | you need datas |
| 12:36.54 | Fisker | amirite? |
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| 12:43.38 | Fisker | you broke my auction house Antiarc :( |
| 12:49.18 | zenzio | incoming trauma in 5, 4... http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/129187835116269704.jpg |
| 12:52.22 | zenzio | and for those of you who enjoy puns... http://failbook.com/2010/05/24/funny-facebook-fails-ukraine-do-better/ |
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| 12:55.46 | Wobin | zenzio, note |
| 12:55.53 | Wobin | the kid's not wearing a seatbelt |
| 12:55.57 | Wobin | cause she can't move =P |
| 12:56.44 | zenzio | I'm guessing she'll have personal space issues in the future |
| 13:02.06 | Wobin | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/05/arc_attack_wows_maker_faire_crowds.html |
| 13:02.10 | Wobin | that.. is awesome |
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| 13:04.35 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/05/derren-brown-investigates-ch4-monday-31st-10pm/ |
| 13:04.36 | zenzio | that IS awesome |
| 13:04.40 | zenzio | the tesla coils |
| 13:06.04 | Adys | Wobin: is that DW theme? |
| 13:06.58 | Fisker | can't just end like that Adys |
| 13:07.16 | Wobin | Adys, yes =) |
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| 13:30.20 | zenzio | thar be peppy |
| 13:31.18 | Cairenn | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 13:31.39 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Zenzio! |
| 13:31.43 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Cairenn. |
| 13:31.44 | zenzio | :) |
| 13:31.50 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, I did a baaaaad. |
| 13:31.55 | Cairenn | oh? |
| 13:32.04 | Cairenn | procrastinates |
| 13:32.21 | Lopeppeppy | I am gonna be eating rice and beans for a month! Not like I wasn't anyway... I finally am getting rid of my bed! |
| 13:32.37 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 13:32.42 | alestane | Is this because you're getting a new one? |
| 13:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | It's... 17 years old. I mortgaged my soul for a new bed. |
| 13:33.08 | Cairenn | gotcha |
| 13:33.10 | Cairenn | congrats :) |
| 13:33.20 | alestane | A new mattress, or a whole new bed? |
| 13:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | Mattress and box springs both. Sears had a 50% off sale. |
| 13:34.01 | Cairenn | Sweet :) |
| 13:34.15 | alestane | We'll need to do that soon...we got ours in 2000. |
| 13:34.16 | Lopeppeppy | Still... rice and beans!!! |
| 13:34.31 | alestane | Not up to 17 years yet, but. |
| 13:34.42 | Cairenn | Mine is like 19 yrs, so I hear you |
| 13:34.45 | Lopeppeppy | 17 years, 12 of continuous use. |
| 13:34.54 | Lopeppeppy | 4 before that in storage, 1 of use before that. |
| 13:35.01 | zenzio | mine is three months old, come try it |
| 13:35.16 | Cairenn | Plus I just want to get rid of it for other reasons too, which I'm sure you can relate to |
| 13:35.28 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly!!!! |
| 13:35.34 | Cairenn | *hug* |
| 13:36.10 | Lopeppeppy | I've been saving a bit aside to replace it, then blew it on Rosie's surgery. The 50% sale was way too good to pass up though. I'm trading in my lowered rent and slight pay increase ahead of time. |
| 13:36.25 | Cairenn | *hug* |
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| 13:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | New bed, no more ghosts. |
| 13:36.58 | Cairenn | nod |
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| 13:37.03 | alestane | Indeed! |
| 13:37.07 | Mihau | Rawr! |
| 13:37.50 | Cairenn | I'm not going to be able to replace mine for a while - everything I've managed to save is about to get blown on some other bills I'm about to incur =/ |
| 13:38.06 | zenzio | Blizzcon? |
| 13:38.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... replacing this was 2 years worth of trying. |
| 13:38.10 | Cairenn | No |
| 13:38.15 | Cairenn | Nod |
| 13:38.22 | alestane | We wish, zenzio. |
| 13:38.26 | zenzio | we do |
| 13:38.39 | Cairenn | aaanyway |
| 13:38.46 | Cairenn | congrats Peppy :) |
| 13:39.00 | Cairenn | yay no more ghosts :) |
| 13:39.07 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Cairenn! Goals are awesome things. |
| 13:39.23 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 13:40.08 | alestane | We are excited that saving a down payment might actually be achievable! Still gonna take a couple more years but. |
| 13:40.20 | Cairenn | YAY! |
| 13:40.30 | Shirik | cheers for Lopeppeppy |
| 13:41.35 | Lopeppeppy | Houses also are good. Boston not so good. What suburbs are you checking out? |
| 13:42.34 | alestane | Probably further up toward the shore a bit. Reading and Wakefield and Lynnfield and Peabody and Lynn and places. |
| 13:42.54 | Lopeppeppy | Wakefield doesn't suck. It has a T stop, yes? |
| 13:43.04 | alestane | I think. |
| 13:43.09 | Lopeppeppy | Peabody, double check that crime rate, boyo. It was horrific when I lived out there! |
| 13:43.15 | Lopeppeppy | Check your T stops too. |
| 13:43.30 | zenzio | T stop? |
| 13:43.32 | alestane | Our friends *used* to live out there, then they moved to Middleton. |
| 13:43.41 | alestane | Commuter Rail, zenzio. |
| 13:46.14 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:46.43 | alestane | parries the fish. Not needed right now. |
| 13:46.45 | Fisker | so maybe you can sleep now Lopeppeppy ? |
| 13:46.56 | Shirik | maybe you can sleep now Fisker |
| 13:47.01 | Fisker | i wish Shirik |
| 13:57.23 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, nothing is gonna stop the insomnia, but a new bed has been a few years in the making. |
| 13:58.02 | Fisker | nice |
| 13:58.19 | Fisker | The only difference between MUDs and WoW's server-code is that WoW is slight 3D aware |
| 13:58.22 | Fisker | slightly* |
| 13:58.30 | Lopeppeppy | And fewer grues in WoW |
| 13:58.34 | Thunder_Child | heh Lopeppeppy, sounds like a magpie |
| 13:58.51 | Lopeppeppy | I am a magpie, TC, how did you guess? |
| 13:59.05 | Thunder_Child | ummm, luck? |
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| 13:59.43 | alestane | Also she is a fox, and a cat, and several other capricious things. |
| 14:01.12 | Wobin | she's an -animal-! |
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| 14:02.05 | mikma | woof? |
| 14:02.17 | Lopeppeppy | I am indeed quite the animal. *purr* |
| 14:02.59 | airtonix | dinos purr ? |
| 14:03.20 | alestane | We are not dinos anymore, airtonix. */sigh* |
| 14:03.49 | alestane | At least not officially. |
| 14:04.09 | alestane | I think we will always be dinos on our own time. |
| 14:04.18 | Lopeppeppy | I AM A DINO! |
| 14:04.21 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR. |
| 14:04.45 | alestane | It sits on my computer right now, Peppy. |
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| 14:05.01 | Shirik | this is getting sad |
| 14:05.16 | airtonix | btw, using excel whats the function to retrieve the value of a cell on the same row three columns behind the current column ? |
| 14:05.27 | Shirik | I'm able to identify people on Wikipedia that have more than one account based on their use of periods |
| 14:05.33 | mikma | airtonix: roflcopter() |
| 14:05.34 | Lopeppeppy | What's on your computer, alestane? Does it hurt the computer? |
| 14:05.47 | alestane | The dino you gave me. |
| 14:05.49 | alestane | Rawr. |
| 14:05.54 | airtonix | mikma, mmm roflcopter("mikma") seems to make my computer laugh at me |
| 14:06.09 | mikma | of course, it's roflcopter |
| 14:06.20 | airtonix | :( |
| 14:06.54 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Mine still has her pretty pink bow. |
| 14:07.29 | alestane | airtonix, just type the cell address. It'll be resolved relatively unless you specify absolute addressing. |
| 14:07.53 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: but there are no women on teh internets |
| 14:08.05 | airtonix | alestane, i want to use one function in all the cells of a column without specifying the target cell manually |
| 14:08.36 | alestane | That could mean a lot of things. |
| 14:08.46 | airtonix | alestane, ie : if(value-of-cell(address(false,-3,false)="MNT") return "RO" end-if |
| 14:09.22 | airtonix | i assume its the ADDRESS function |
| 14:09.41 | alestane | There really is no "value of cell" function in Escel that I'm aware of, the cell address is resolved to its contents. |
| 14:09.46 | alestane | Excel* |
| 14:10.23 | airtonix | i'm actually using openoffice, so i assumed that they used the same functions |
| 14:10.23 | alestane | Very similar. |
| 14:10.23 | airtonix | well calc has a set of functions relating to the structure of the spreadsheet |
| 14:10.53 | airtonix | maybe i should just use the COLUMN func |
| 14:10.55 | alestane | You want a column where each cell is based on a cell in the same row, but another specific column, right? |
| 14:11.09 | airtonix | basically |
| 14:11.45 | airtonix | i want it to contain a piece of text, only if the cell three columns backward contains a certain piece of text |
| 14:12.11 | airtonix | its a user-group permissions chart |
| 14:12.44 | alestane | So if the first cell you want is G1, for example, it would be something like [[=IF(D1 == "MNT"; "RO";)]] |
| 14:12.45 | airtonix | ooo OFFSET looks interesting |
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| 14:13.05 | alestane | Then drag it down the column. |
| 14:13.21 | alestane | You are really making this more complicated than it needs to be. |
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| 14:14.08 | alestane | I don't guarantee the example will work ootb, don't use spreadsheets that regularly, but that example should be the basic structure you're looking for. |
| 14:17.26 | alestane | Because if you copy that formula into G2, the D1 reference should automatically update to D2. |
| 14:17.46 | airtonix | mm |
| 14:18.02 | airtonix | so thats the syntax you'd use for excel ? |
| 14:18.25 | alestane | No, in Excel they'd be commas instead of semi-colons. |
| 14:18.33 | alestane | I use OO.o myself. |
| 14:18.47 | airtonix | ah |
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| 14:19.04 | airtonix | ok so how would you include : else return "" |
| 14:19.25 | alestane | Put "" in between the second semi-colon and the close-paren. |
| 14:19.41 | alestane | It should more or less do that by default though. |
| 14:20.06 | alestane | Both programs have about as much concept of type as a POSIX shell. |
| 14:20.55 | airtonix | ahh brilliant |
| 14:21.07 | airtonix | i just had to remove the [[]] |
| 14:21.26 | airtonix | or was there a reason why you included them ? |
| 14:21.29 | alestane | Sorry, those are just there to separate the part that's actual code from the rest of my message. |
| 14:21.34 | airtonix | roger |
| 14:22.21 | airtonix | :) |
| 14:23.28 | alestane | But yeah, to those scripts, basically everything is a string. If it contains only numerals, it's a string you can do math on. |
| 14:23.53 | Fisker | i won the game alestane |
| 14:24.05 | alestane | Cool, you're free! |
| 14:25.03 | alestane | Now you can devote your time to returning to your tribal roots! |
| 14:26.38 | Lopeppeppy | is an orchid. Is that rooty enough? |
| 14:30.43 | alestane | http://queenofwands.net/d/20060624.html , Lopeppeppy. |
| 14:30.54 | alestane | WARNING: Contains strangeness. |
| 14:32.04 | Lopeppeppy | All things are strange. |
| 14:35.05 | Lopeppeppy | Don't play with your food. http://ifshoescouldkill.com/2010/05/25/crazy-shoe-photos-spaghetti-food-heels/ |
| 14:36.52 | alestane | ...speaking of all things being strange. |
| 14:37.24 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 14:37.31 | Cairenn | those are ... weird :p |
| 14:38.35 | airtonix | =IF(OFFSET(G26, 0, -4) = OFFSET(G23, 0, 0),"g","") |
| 14:38.40 | airtonix | ownge |
| 14:38.47 | Shirik | lol alestane |
| 14:39.24 | alestane | Is that entered in G26, airtonix? |
| 14:39.35 | airtonix | fuuu |
| 14:39.47 | airtonix | g23 contains my value to look for |
| 14:39.52 | airtonix | but it keeps changing |
| 14:40.02 | alestane | I'm pretty sure you don't want the OFFSET function unless you're using dynamic offsets. |
| 14:40.26 | alestane | Also, in OO.o, separate function arguments (including IF clauses) with semicolons, not commas. |
| 14:40.36 | airtonix | i dont look forward to editing that formula again |
| 14:41.27 | airtonix | the function editor likes to change it to that |
| 14:41.49 | airtonix | im using 3.2.0 build 9483 |
| 14:42.11 | alestane | What cell are you putting that function in? |
| 14:42.38 | alestane | Maybe they updated the script syntax, I don't know. |
| 14:42.42 | airtonix | i have columns G through O whose rows could be uknown |
| 14:43.22 | airtonix | those Columns describe the read/write/fullcontrol/modify permission of a Department Share folder. |
| 14:43.28 | airtonix | vertically |
| 14:43.54 | airtonix | and on each row is a user or group and where they intersect is the planned permission |
| 14:44.06 | alestane | So, each share is a column, and each client is a row? |
| 14:44.13 | airtonix | yeah |
| 14:44.27 | alestane | You did not, however, answer my question. |
| 14:44.42 | airtonix | i put that function in each cell of those columns |
| 14:44.47 | airtonix | ideally |
| 14:45.05 | airtonix | i would like to just have one cell i change and they all use that formula |
| 14:45.20 | airtonix | and then base the results on their position |
| 14:45.25 | alestane | That's how cell references normally work. |
| 14:46.05 | alestane | OFFSET is probably actually screwing you up...I'd try |
| 14:46.29 | alestane | =IF(G22 = G23=;"g";"") |
| 14:46.40 | airtonix | yeah i have that |
| 14:46.41 | alestane | Er. |
| 14:46.45 | alestane | =IF(G22 = G23;"g";"") |
| 14:47.14 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/631256132 |
| 14:47.24 | airtonix | but say i decide later on that the g should be a F instead |
| 14:47.56 | airtonix | i'd need to copy paste a lot |
| 14:47.58 | alestane | Why would you do that? |
| 14:48.25 | airtonix | well, g in the BulletBalls AoE font is a plus sign in a black circle |
| 14:49.03 | alestane | Then you'd want that in some fixed cell in that or another sheet, so you could treat it like a variable. |
| 14:49.15 | airtonix | aha! |
| 14:49.25 | airtonix | so how do i reference that without it wanting to increment |
| 14:50.42 | alestane | If it's in cell z1, for instance, address it as $Z$1. |
| 14:50.54 | alestane | $ makes that component of the address absolute. |
| 14:51.51 | airtonix | ah sweet |
| 14:52.45 | alestane | And do you know about drag-filling? |
| 14:53.12 | airtonix | highligh a bunch an paste ? |
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| 14:53.30 | alestane | Easier than that. |
| 14:53.49 | alestane | Say you have a column that you want filled with copies of a formula. |
| 14:54.01 | alestane | You enter the formula in the cell at the top of the range. |
| 14:54.22 | alestane | Make sure the cursor is on that cell (it has a heavy selection outline). |
| 14:54.40 | alestane | Grab that little box in the bottom corner of the selection outline and drag it across the cells you want to fill. |
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| 14:56.45 | cog|work | hey Fisker |
| 14:57.01 | airtonix | sweet |
| 14:57.09 | airtonix | i ended up with this : =IF($C26 =G$23, $C$4,"") |
| 14:57.21 | airtonix | c4 has my character to paste if true |
| 14:57.34 | alestane | As in, that's what works, or that got created by accident? |
| 14:57.35 | airtonix | 23rd row of the column has the value to test for |
| 14:57.42 | airtonix | its what works |
| 14:58.01 | alestane | Much simpler, isn't it? |
| 14:58.13 | airtonix | now that i know about the $ |
| 14:58.29 | airtonix | thanks very much |
| 14:58.54 | alestane | Most of that is also standard in Excel. |
| 14:59.35 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 14:59.58 | Thunder_Child | are errors common when trying to copy a char to the ptr during maintnence? |
| 15:00.49 | alestane | Usually indicate the system is swamped. |
| 15:00.58 | airtonix | think i lost one last major ptr |
| 15:01.05 | airtonix | aka ulduar |
| 15:01.23 | Thunder_Child | well i got the error that i have chars... |
| 15:02.45 | Thunder_Child | no cahrs* |
| 15:03.15 | Thunder_Child | "There are no characters associated with this account." which is interesting since to get this far you have to do the char selection |
| 15:03.21 | zenzelezz | maybe it's a typo; it's trying to say you have no character |
| 15:03.57 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: i have character, just not one that people want |
| 15:04.10 | zenzelezz | valid point |
| 15:04.14 | zenzelezz | sounds a lot like mine |
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| 15:12.55 | Fisker | ~seen Ackis |
| 15:13.25 | purl | ackis is currently on #waruidev (1d 2h 55m) #sc2mapster (1d 2h 55m) #wowuidev (1d 2h 55m) #arl (1d 2h 55m) #wowace (1d 2h 55m) #curseforge (1d 2h 55m) #wowwiki (1d 2h 55m), last said: 'meh blizzard spending the time and resources to "defeat" this addon is about the same as them putting the effort into the voice chat system... just silly and a waste of resources'. |
| 15:13.25 | airtonix | 234 days ago |
| 15:13.33 | airtonix | curse you purl! |
| 15:13.52 | Fisker | i came airtonix |
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| 15:14.14 | airtonix | i just counter-trolled |
| 15:14.38 | cog|work | HEY FISKER |
| 15:18.57 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 15:18.59 | Fisker | work that cog |
| 15:20.52 | cog|work | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/angler |
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| 15:22.19 | airtonix | whats that comic site that has kippler in it ? |
| 15:22.26 | airtonix | truckbearingkipper ? |
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| 15:22.50 | airtonix | kibble |
| 15:23.37 | airtonix | http://truckbearingkibble.com/ |
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| 15:40.34 | mikma | wobin: www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvOnZl0MEs |
| 15:40.56 | Adys | ~svn-- |
| 15:42.02 | Wobin | mikma, awesome |
| 15:42.20 | airtonix | guys |
| 15:42.22 | airtonix | skynet |
| 15:42.24 | airtonix | http://truckbearingkibble.com/images/comic/11-11-08.jpg |
| 15:42.34 | airtonix | dont say i didnt warn you |
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| 15:43.26 | Wobin | I've been scanning through these |
| 15:43.52 | Wobin | I've found about a 1:5 hahaha to "... wha?" ratio |
| 15:44.17 | airtonix | FUUU |
| 15:44.20 | airtonix | more proof |
| 15:44.21 | airtonix | http://truckbearingkibble.com/images/comic/11-03-08.jpg |
| 15:44.48 | mikma | airtonix: http://i.imgur.com/KnAMv.jpg |
| 15:45.01 | airtonix | this does not bode well |
| 15:45.44 | airtonix | i hope you melted that down |
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| 15:46.47 | Wobin | http://truckbearingkibble.com/comic/2007/12/21/hit-fly/ |
| 15:50.35 | airtonix | you're sick |
| 15:52.20 | Ackis | wot Fisker? |
| 15:52.20 | mikma | good thing that i don't get it then |
| 15:52.23 | mikma | not getting sucked into the wobin-vortex |
| 15:54.22 | airtonix | loooooooool |
| 15:54.24 | airtonix | http://truckbearingkibble.com/images/comic/12-14-07.jpg |
| 15:54.30 | airtonix | it r fiskerdin |
| 15:55.03 | airtonix | old witch uses candyOS |
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| 15:58.36 | Lunessa | Station |
| 15:58.37 | alestane | Station. |
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| 16:00.10 | airtonix | while looking stupid i will ask what this 'station' means |
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| 16:00.39 | zenzelezz | ~station |
| 16:00.55 | zenzelezz | everyone asks that, it should be made a factoid |
| 16:01.05 | Lunessa | airtonix: Look up Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey |
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| 16:02.37 | Lunessa | It should. |
| 16:02.54 | airtonix | the robot ? |
| 16:04.01 | airtonix | 24th may is Towel Day |
| 16:04.35 | Lunessa | airtonix: Station was a character who only spoke one word for all meanings. And it was a universal greeting, acknowledgment, and filler word like "dude." |
| 16:04.49 | airtonix | station ? |
| 16:05.16 | Lunessa | "You are a most excellent scientist, Station. " |
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| 16:05.36 | Cairenn | "Station" |
| 16:05.41 | mikma | gas |
| 16:05.52 | Maldivia | wagon |
| 16:06.03 | Maldivia | :P |
| 16:06.16 | Lunessa | "Whoa. Okay, dudes... Oh, I mean, fellow policemen. My son, Ted Theodore Logan, and his friend Bill S. Preston, Esquire, have been murdered and replaced by evil robots from the future. " |
| 16:07.06 | Lunessa | I even use it to greet people at Blizzcon. |
| 16:07.59 | Maldivia | airtonix, speaking of towel day, read the news from sunday? |
| 16:08.02 | Cairenn | Indeed he did |
| 16:08.56 | mikma | ... oh that's so.. |
| 16:09.02 | airtonix | :( |
| 16:09.33 | NightHawkTheSane | an SNES emulator on my g1 is total hax. |
| 16:09.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i almost missed my bus stop :( |
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| 16:09.49 | mikma | nighthawktheaddicted |
| 16:10.23 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. you would too if you had ff6 & cronotrigger on your phone ;) |
| 16:10.46 | mikma | i doubt it, wanna know why? cause i haven't ever even seen ff-series or that cronotrigger ;) |
| 16:11.13 | NightHawkTheSane | that's like a crime against geekdom :P |
| 16:11.35 | mikma | sorry, i was too obsessed with lll's and mi's ;) |
| 16:11.35 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I'm also such a criminal. |
| 16:11.36 | airtonix | geekacide ? |
| 16:11.40 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 16:12.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: it's even worse for you, i KNOW your old enough to have appreciated cronotrigger :) |
| 16:12.13 | NightHawkTheSane | (erm, no offense!) |
| 16:12.19 | mikma | old fart |
| 16:12.38 | airtonix | there are breeds of white meat that care not for the fineries of 8bit japanese consoles |
| 16:12.44 | Lunessa | I played the Arcade version. :P |
| 16:12.49 | airtonix | ep |
| 16:13.02 | Cairenn | errr, what happened on Sunday, Maldivia |
| 16:13.05 | NightHawkTheSane | although it's been released on like 3-4 different systems, so no one really has an excuse anymore :P |
| 16:13.19 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 16:13.21 | Fisker | not so hey NightHawkTheSane |
| 16:13.24 | Cairenn | hello Fisker |
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| 16:13.40 | NightHawkTheSane | hey Fisker, it's okay, I still tolerate you :) |
| 16:14.00 | Lunessa | I think that's all anyone can do with Fisker, tolerate him. |
| 16:14.11 | airtonix | its a sign of love |
| 16:14.17 | airtonix | of unending compassion |
| 16:14.32 | airtonix | that you leave a bowl of milk out for him |
| 16:14.42 | airtonix | but make sure to lock the cat flap |
| 16:15.40 | Maldivia | caireen, just read news that some scientists had measired what the improbability drive regarded as unmeadurwable, thus makes the improbability drive improbable |
| 16:15.59 | Maldivia | unmeasureable* |
| 16:16.06 | NightHawkTheSane | the brownian motion of a hot cup of tea? |
| 16:16.16 | Maldivia | yep |
| 16:16.24 | Cairenn | Maldivia: heh |
| 16:16.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ... does this mean we're never actually going to GET an improbability drive? :( |
| 16:16.36 | airtonix | probably |
| 16:16.49 | Wobin | improbably |
| 16:16.59 | foxlit | it's np |
| 16:17.03 | Maldivia | or will it simply be self powered by its own impribability |
| 16:17.15 | foxlit | they'll build a meta-improbability drive |
| 16:17.38 | airtonix | I was in prague once and i darnk too much and bumped into Pole |
| 16:18.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: isn't that like saying if it were possible to build a time machine, someone would have gone back in time to tell someone how, and we'd have it already? |
| 16:18.22 | Fisker | airtonix i can't fit through the catflap anyway :( |
| 16:18.25 | airtonix | then you have one ? |
| 16:18.37 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: maybe it only goes to the future |
| 16:18.40 | airtonix | Fisker, i wouldn't put it past you to try |
| 16:18.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker: sounds like it's diet time. |
| 16:18.42 | Fisker | but i think that's by design |
| 16:18.49 | Wobin | I built one of those |
| 16:18.49 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: oh man, worst time machine evr. |
| 16:18.51 | Lunessa | Or that aliens can't exist because they'ed have contacted us by now. |
| 16:18.57 | NightHawkTheSane | (or best, i'm not certain) |
| 16:18.58 | Wobin | It went into the future at one second per second |
| 16:19.13 | Maldivia | nhts, and do you have proof that hadn't happened |
| 16:19.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: nah, that's plausably false |
| 16:19.30 | Wobin | who'd want to talk to us? =\ |
| 16:19.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 16:19.45 | Wobin | We've been broadcasting tellytubbies into space for a number of years now |
| 16:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: i guess i dont. i suppose if a time machine HAD been invented, you wouldn't exactly want to publicize it. |
| 16:20.04 | Lunessa | Wobin: We're not that interesting as a species, and thanks to the Porn Channel all our culturally significant work has already been beamed into space. |
| 16:20.14 | Wobin | 'zactly |
| 16:20.56 | airtonix | thats pro |
| 16:21.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: absolutely, but plausably, it's easy to consider that aliens might not be more advanced than us, and even if they have heard us, can't respond in a timely fashion. |
| 16:21.33 | Lunessa | Lightspeed being a constant. |
| 16:21.35 | Maldivia | nhts, or perhaps people just arent smart enough yet to grasp the concept, so no need to travel here to tell us |
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| 16:21.54 | Wobin | maybe they're happy with free cable |
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| 16:21.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Maldivia: also possible, though if it were me, i'd do it jsut to brag. |
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| 16:23.33 | Lunessa | yeah, but that's you, and we all know you can be an insufferably smug git. |
| 16:23.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ... it's true. |
| 16:24.27 | cog|work | NightHawkTheRimmer? |
| 16:24.36 | NightHawkTheSane | .. :( |
| 16:26.34 | Lunessa | http://www.pvponline.com/2010/05/24/the-thais-have-it/ |
| 16:26.53 | cog|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rimmer for anyone who didn't get the reference |
| 16:27.08 | cog|work | (re: insufferably smug git) |
| 16:28.47 | Lunessa | cog|work: Have you ever been hit on the head with a ballpeen hammer? |
| 16:29.36 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:33.04 | mikma | cairenn: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/puppy_chain.jpg |
| 16:33.16 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 16:33.39 | Ackis | http://twitpic.com/1qyy83 yay i has a window |
| 16:34.02 | Ackis | zomg mikma circle of puppy! |
| 16:34.10 | Cide | you can see three bridges! |
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| 16:34.59 | Ackis | you see that old looking building out the window on the left side? |
| 16:35.23 | Ackis | if that wasn't there I'd be able to see the dead body last week |
| 16:36.47 | airtonix | maybe you should backtravel and open a doorway |
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| 16:40.13 | airtonix | omg i just learned how the angler fish procreates |
| 16:40.18 | airtonix | its worse than the mantis |
| 16:40.22 | airtonix | much much worse |
| 16:40.44 | mikma | ackis: you also have a neat toenail |
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| 16:41.12 | airtonix | who is the vile person that presented me with an oatmeal link ? |
| 16:42.03 | haste | in b5 wobin |
| 16:43.41 | Ackis | mikma: lol :P |
| 16:44.08 | cog|work | airtonix: i know rite? |
| 16:44.25 | airtonix | this is worse than skynet |
| 16:44.43 | mikma | ackis: also your lastname sounds kinda finnish |
| 16:44.50 | airtonix | Fisker must never be allowed to practice science |
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| 16:45.54 | mikma | airtonix: but he can practice silence |
| 16:46.01 | Ackis | mikma: polish |
| 16:46.24 | Ackis | iirc is was Pacula before my grandfather immigrated, but they made a typo on the forms |
| 16:47.09 | haste | teaches Fisker to practice science. |
| 16:48.13 | airtonix | haste, you will destroy us all |
| 16:48.24 | haste | or he will destroy himself! |
| 16:48.27 | haste | time will tell |
| 16:48.44 | airtonix | i mourn my passing |
| 16:56.30 | Lunessa | Ackis: At least you didn't get stuck with dumb names like the characters in Alien Nation. |
| 16:56.35 | Cide | I mourn Captain Placeholder. |
| 16:56.59 | cog|work | ^ |
| 17:00.21 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_wzlrB9d9s |
| 17:00.48 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2xuO8JBepM also (other author) |
| 17:01.16 | Cide | but Lunessa's is the original |
| 17:03.55 | PProvost | Anyone in-game yet today? Did the 20% buff happen? |
| 17:04.05 | PProvost | I heard speculation |
| 17:04.06 | Cide | mmoc says so. |
| 17:05.22 | mikma | http://gunthernet.com/ |
| 17:06.00 | Cide | ^ nsfw |
| 17:06.09 | mikma | why? |
| 17:06.32 | mikma | It's only Günther |
| 17:06.39 | Cide | mostly naked |
| 17:06.50 | Cide | shrug |
| 17:06.55 | mikma | Only if you stare the frontpage enough *:) |
| 17:07.07 | Cide | not an issue for me but I can see why some bosses might disapprove |
| 17:07.59 | Shadowed | thanks elk |
| 17:08.01 | Shadowed | bah |
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| 17:08.42 | Lunessa | Farewell to the Placeholder, your ship has gone to sea... |
| 17:09.26 | cog|work | tips his hat |
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| 17:10.43 | Thunder_Child | Pirate Captian Placeholder |
| 17:11.21 | Lunessa | ... Undead Pirate Captain Placeholder on a Murloc! |
| 17:12.43 | Lunessa | Undead Murloc Mount. Make it so. |
| 17:13.41 | Thunder_Child | makes is so |
| 17:21.47 | cog|work | http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Nerdy/Make_it_Sew.jpg |
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| 17:31.58 | zenzelezz | why does it look like a GIF? |
| 17:32.05 | Lunessa | I love password reset week. And by love, naturally I mean "I should haver called in dead today." |
| 17:33.14 | Cide | and it was shown to not increase security very much |
| 17:33.38 | Cide | if I start a company I'm going to have password retention celebration week instead |
| 17:34.15 | Lunessa | Cide: If you start a company that pays decently, I might be tempted to work at such a place. :P |
| 17:34.43 | Cide | I will let you know. |
| 17:35.40 | Cairenn | do you need someone to be the friendly front face? |
| 17:35.51 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 17:35.56 | Cide | you should know that I don't believe in friendly ;) |
| 17:36.05 | Cairenn | this is true |
| 17:36.13 | Cairenn | but sometimes faking it is good |
| 17:36.16 | Cide | but if you can do hostile... sure |
| 17:36.28 | Cairenn | You weren't in here for my rant yesterday? |
| 17:36.30 | cog|work | rawrs at Cairenn's hostile |
| 17:36.31 | Cide | I was |
| 17:36.42 | Cairenn | there ya go ;) |
| 17:36.48 | Cide | sounds good |
| 17:37.08 | Cairenn | I'm all revved up to tell people where to go and how to get there, these days |
| 17:37.09 | Cide | now I just need to invent a really good web search algorithm |
| 17:37.10 | cog|work | ima have to go through my logs, it seems ;) |
| 17:37.12 | Lunessa | Cide is the lord of snark, the prince of pith, the vizier of vicious. |
| 17:37.57 | Cide | it seems we've had less of an influx of idiots lately however |
| 17:37.59 | Cide | makes me sad |
| 17:39.02 | Lunessa | Well, we've had a few. Like the guy who wouldn't read the docs and only wanted someone to "show" him how something was done (i.e. doe it for me) |
| 17:39.11 | Cide | aww really? |
| 17:39.16 | Cide | I need to be less afk |
| 17:39.31 | Cide | stupid finals are interfering with my call |
| 17:39.55 | Cide | err |
| 17:39.58 | Cide | calling |
| 17:40.02 | Cide | stupid swedish |
| 17:40.03 | alestane | Memo to me: not to be eating chocolate candy pieces when i was just chopping onions. |
| 17:40.14 | Cairenn | ewwww |
| 17:40.47 | Lunessa | I <3 this video. |
| 17:40.48 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR7FC-h0Fb8 |
| 17:40.49 | alestane | Yeah, definitely not the optimal circumstance. |
| 17:41.02 | Cide | try brushing your teeth with onion flavored toothpaste and then drinking chocolate orange juice |
| 17:41.14 | Cide | Lunessa: yeah, it's great; saw it a while ago |
| 17:41.45 | Cide | as awesome as Creepy Doll |
| 17:41.49 | Lunessa | I saw it the first time at BlizzCon '09 - the author is a pretty talented musician. |
| 17:41.56 | Cide | yeah |
| 17:45.26 | Ackis | http://www.cracked.com/article_18571_5-reasons-its-still-not-cool-to-admit-youre-gamer.html |
| 17:45.39 | Ackis | #1/2 are interesting |
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| 17:54.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: 3&4 are sane points as well. honestly it scares me how actually right tha site is sometimes. |
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| 17:54.49 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: I feel the same way, they have logical arguments filled with satire |
| 17:54.49 | zenzelezz | then you read their normal articles and lose faith again |
| 17:55.27 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: i said sometimes ;) |
| 17:55.35 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 17:55.39 | nevcairiel | Anyone have the EU PTR and can look up what their Data\enGB\realmList.wtf looks like? I can't login for some arcane reason |
| 17:55.55 | zenzelezz | try frost |
| 17:57.24 | foxlit | beta.eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com, nev |
| 17:57.37 | Ackis | http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i23/jeff_bennion/aa20090407-disney.jpg mmmm arial |
| 17:57.42 | nevcairiel | hm i have that |
| 17:57.46 | foxlit | and public-test.logon.battle.net |
| 17:58.17 | nevcairiel | i dont have that in there anywhere o.o |
| 17:58.49 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/136923 |
| 17:59.51 | nevcairiel | It claims i dont have a wow-account associated with the account or i'm logging in to the wrong region |
| 17:59.55 | nevcairiel | wth is broken with that thing |
| 18:00.48 | foxlit | Did you copy characters? |
| 18:01.03 | nevcairiel | dunno, dont think so, do i have to? =P |
| 18:01.13 | nevcairiel | i'm fine with a lvl 1 :d |
| 18:01.23 | foxlit | I'm not sure. |
| 18:01.36 | nevcairiel | lets copy one then |
| 18:01.56 | foxlit | I've had log in issues prior to attempting to copy some over; but I don't think my transfers completed (properly) when I could log on. |
| 18:02.55 | nevcairiel | fun, now i cant copy chars, when i press the button it just loads the same page .. i bet its a chrome- related issue =P |
| 18:04.20 | foxlit | I think that's actually one of the ways their page can fail |
| 18:04.28 | nevcairiel | fails in firefox too |
| 18:04.29 | foxlit | If you look at the source, it probably posts back right to the same page |
| 18:04.33 | nevcairiel | lets see how IE does! |
| 18:05.22 | nevcairiel | IE works <.< |
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| 18:06.09 | nevcairiel | oh well, maybe that helped |
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| 18:09.28 | foxlit | hah, you can do the battered hilt quest on PTR |
| 18:10.06 | foxlit | as in they actually vendor you the item. |
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| 18:13.39 | alestane | has lamb stewing in onion & garlic & ginger & spinach. |
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| 18:16.16 | Kaso | i just wrote a whole addon "dead reckoning" style |
| 18:16.24 | Kaso | i wonder how many errors there will be |
| 18:18.59 | alestane | Drycoding has fairly steep limits. |
| 18:19.18 | MoonWitch | alestane, for me it generally leads to grey hairs |
| 18:20.13 | alestane | I'm good up to about maybe 100 lines. If I try to go much farther than that I know it's going to start exploding. |
| 18:21.08 | Kaso | 210 so we'll see how it goes |
| 18:21.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I usually make way too many dumb mistakes to drycode anything :P |
| 18:21.16 | MoonWitch | Well, I've tried complete addons drycoded, you should have seen the wild endangering of my hair at that point (been awake for 30hrs, coherent isnt in my dictionary anymore) |
| 18:21.41 | alestane | I thought you were going to bed after your shower. |
| 18:22.02 | MoonWitch | Yeah, that kinda blew up too, couldn't sleep |
| 18:22.33 | alestane | Yeah, I had to get back up last night...funny thing another hour and a half coding will usually have a pretty soporific effect. |
| 18:25.28 | Lopeppeppy | did not read that at all correctly |
| 18:25.55 | MoonWitch | Lopeppeppy, what did you read then... |
| 18:27.02 | Lopeppeppy | No, no. Too perilous. |
| 18:27.12 | alestane | *snrk* |
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| 18:27.58 | KarlKFI|work | i'm usually fairly good at dry coding. |
| 18:28.16 | KarlKFI|work | provided i walk through my code before trying to execute it |
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| 18:28.33 | zenzelezz | I found it much more fun to code when wet |
| 18:28.42 | KarlKFI|work | oily? |
| 18:28.42 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, zenzelezz! |
| 18:28.58 | alestane | Wet + computer == not such a good idea maybe. |
| 18:29.26 | NightHawkTheSane | I dunno, how much of your computer do you actually touch? |
| 18:29.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i might have issues with my mouse, but beyond that, i probably could. |
| 18:30.20 | alestane | Lopeppeppy is innocent, MoonWitch. |
| 18:30.23 | alestane | And stuff. |
| 18:31.19 | Cairenn | Well, there's also the question of "what do you mean by wet?" |
| 18:31.33 | alestane | I wasn't even intending to go there, Cairenn. |
| 18:31.37 | KarlKFI|work | well, you know those shampoo comercials? |
| 18:31.37 | MoonWitch | wait what wet? |
| 18:31.40 | Cairenn | snickers |
| 18:32.15 | NightHawkTheSane | I haven't had nearly enough coffee for this conversation |
| 18:32.19 | zenzelezz | that's not really a question when I'm the one saying it Cairenn... more of an understanding |
| 18:32.29 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: point ;) |
| 18:33.20 | MoonWitch | Night, I'll share my cup :) |
| 18:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | Very perilous! |
| 18:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | is that a euphamism? |
| 18:34.00 | NightHawkTheSane | cause, again, not enough coffee :P |
| 18:34.06 | Cairenn | ... of coffee |
| 18:34.07 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:34.18 | MoonWitch | No, I have a cup of coffee standing on my desk and was offering you some of it. |
| 18:34.37 | Cairenn | See? I knew what MoonWitch was saying |
| 18:35.04 | alestane | ...not that obscure... |
| 18:35.21 | Lopeppeppy | Perilous. |
| 18:35.51 | Thunder_Child | this is like watching a multi-car pile up in slow motion |
| 18:36.26 | Dashkal | I can't help but be amused that the missing diplomat is still in the game post 3.0 |
| 18:36.29 | MoonWitch | really? |
| 18:36.30 | alestane | Let me go back and *face* the peril. |
| 18:36.32 | Dashkal | Who am I trying to track down exactly? |
| 18:36.39 | Cairenn | No no, too much peril |
| 18:36.49 | MoonWitch | I am lost? |
| 18:37.10 | Cairenn | I thought you were MoonWitch? |
| 18:37.12 | MoonWitch | (and why was that a question) |
| 18:37.30 | MoonWitch | Yeah, I could have sworn I was. |
| 18:37.41 | Gnarfoz | sorry to cross/re-post this, should have asked in here in the first place, probably... I've been having a discussion with someone about this: |
| 18:37.42 | Cairenn | nods, I thought so as well |
| 18:37.48 | Gnarfoz | would some kind of automated code audit be reasonably easy to implement server-side for wowi, to alert users or mods (actions based on the audit result would be second stage of the discussion ;)) if an addon uses, say, any GetBNFriendInfo() style functions AND SendChatMessage/SendAddonMessage? |
| 18:37.53 | Gnarfoz | the discussion was about the dangers of the availability of stuff like RealID data to the addon system, making it "gatherable" in some form. (maybe some kind of "badge" on the addon download page, indicating "be aware, this addon uses: Communication functions, Social functions, Chat functions") |
| 18:38.19 | Cairenn | pings dolby ^^ |
| 18:39.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Gnarfoz: thats a good idea, actually |
| 18:40.39 | Gnarfoz | I know curse's repositories use commit-hooks for "similar" stuff, although the intention is probably not the same (EOL style and such ;)) |
| 18:41.19 | Gnarfoz | although I guess the vast majority of addons don't use versioning, so that's probably not an approach that would cover enough ground |
| 18:42.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i can't imagine it'd be impossible to do post-upload processing of addons to search for certain API calls. |
| 18:42.29 | zenzelezz | they should just make the RealID-related functions protected |
| 18:43.40 | cog|work | ^ |
| 18:43.42 | cog|work | imo |
| 18:43.49 | Gnarfoz | those don't offer *too* much information IMHO, anyway. all you get is first- and lastname, and you can check if someone has the same friends as you |
| 18:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | I'm totally not happy with the integration of social networking. *sigh* But waiting to see how it comes through. I will go without addons if I have to... |
| 18:44.08 | Gnarfoz | how's that data going to benefit anyone? |
| 18:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want anyone to have my name. Eeew. |
| 18:44.35 | Dashkal | Having to use first and last name is why I'm going to make very little use of the system anyway. WTB steam-style aliases |
| 18:44.39 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: or don't use RealID |
| 18:45.10 | Thunder_Child | offers too much function |
| 18:45.16 | Dashkal | It annoys me that it requires that. There is a class of people that I want to play multiple games with that I don't want knowing my real name |
| 18:45.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... I'm still waiting to see how integrated the RealID stuff is going to be. Whether one will actually have a choice or not, in the end. |
| 18:45.27 | Gnarfoz | Dashkal: I don't get why they insist on first+last name anyway :o |
| 18:45.33 | Lopeppeppy | is a privacy-paranoid pessimist. |
| 18:45.35 | cbreak | I have no choice. I have no friends. |
| 18:45.36 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: sure they can protect those, but the general concept is decent, the API lets you do a lot of things you might not want to do... a warning ( a la android market style) might be good |
| 18:46.05 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: oh, I agree with that anyhow - I just think they should protect the functions in the first place |
| 18:46.10 | Dashkal | I'm not even trying to be paranoid. More annoyed that the choice is not being offered. End result is this feature is wasted on me. |
| 18:46.20 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: all you have to do is not add any realid friends and you're set. |
| 18:46.24 | Thunder_Child | you know there is going to be mass stalkings of 15 year old girls from this |
| 18:46.38 | Lopeppeppy | So they say, Gnarfoz. I'm still waiting to see how it *actually* works when it's said and done. |
| 18:46.40 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: how would that lead to that? |
| 18:46.43 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: PTR |
| 18:46.58 | MoonWitch | Actually, it'll lead to the mass stalking of 40 yr old bald guys pretending to be girls. |
| 18:47.04 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz: because people are idiots, and young people are bigger idiots |
| 18:47.16 | MoonWitch | (no offense to bald guys, just doing a typical stereotyping) |
| 18:47.28 | Dashkal | I R OFFENDED! |
| 18:47.35 | mikma | good |
| 18:47.40 | Dashkal | Er, wait. I'm neither in my 40s nor bald. |
| 18:47.40 | zenzelezz | Picard will have your ass MoonWitch |
| 18:47.41 | MoonWitch | lol mik |
| 18:47.50 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: I'll get in touch with Kaelten |
| 18:47.59 | MoonWitch | Maybe I WANT Picard to have my ass -- ever considered that? |
| 18:48.09 | jnwhiteh | we could probably develop a fairly simple script that can indicate whether an addon does GN/AddonMessage stuff |
| 18:48.21 | Gnarfoz | Thunder_Child: my point: age or sex are both not visible through realid |
| 18:48.35 | cbreak | how many female bobs did you see? |
| 18:48.48 | cbreak | how many male sophias? |
| 18:49.04 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: cool, can't be too complicated, I guess =) |
| 18:49.11 | Dashkal | hmm, I'd worry that anybody actually using those functions for evil purposes would just obfuscate their use of them (unless of course they get protected) |
| 18:49.11 | jnwhiteh | not really |
| 18:49.16 | Thunder_Child | Gnarfoz: realid + vent |
| 18:49.16 | MoonWitch | Perhaps I am strange, I am female and only play female chars - with female names |
| 18:49.18 | jnwhiteh | since they'd have to eventually do a lookup on those functions. |
| 18:49.38 | Dashkal | string manipulation + eval? |
| 18:49.43 | cbreak | you can't chose the name for real id |
| 18:49.55 | cbreak | it's your real name of your blizzard account |
| 18:50.10 | jnwhiteh | Dashkal: nah, we could catch it =) |
| 18:50.16 | jnwhiteh | i r teh smart. |
| 18:50.35 | Dashkal | That'd be impressive. I'd like to see how you go about that :P Run the thing in a sandbox? |
| 18:50.35 | Gnarfoz | loadstring is no worthy opponent for jnwhiteh |
| 18:51.05 | jnwhiteh | flexes |
| 18:52.27 | Gnarfoz | on another note, shame on mobile providers for not offering sensible 3G data plans :< |
| 18:52.34 | jnwhiteh | what country? |
| 18:52.39 | jnwhiteh | mine offers incredibly sensible 3g plans :P |
| 18:52.40 | Gnarfoz | germany |
| 18:52.44 | jnwhiteh | aww, sad =/ |
| 18:52.56 | mikma | geekologie.com/2010/05/lolwut_teenage_mutant_ninjabea.php |
| 18:53.14 | Cide | dude. |
| 18:53.18 | Gnarfoz | this "yay, flatrate" but after some amount of data transfer, you're stuck with 8KiB/s shit... meh. |
| 18:53.18 | Cide | never post a link without http or www |
| 18:54.07 | mikma | i will |
| 18:54.16 | Gnarfoz | (nevermind the modem in my netbook is apparently shitty, it drops connections whenever it switches from UMTS to HSPA, and it does it constantly, for no reason -.-) |
| 18:54.30 | mikma | cause this motherfucking opera mobile 10 leaves them out |
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| 18:54.36 | Lopeppeppy | Gnarfoz, PTR can change at any time... I won't believe it until it lands on live, what they will finally go with. |
| 18:55.07 | mikma | always starts addrfessbar with "www." ans never adds http:// in the urls |
| 18:55.34 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: you could get a taste of what they're doing now, was my point. to see where they're going. ;) |
| 18:55.56 | cog|work | mikma: rofl @ the ending |
| 18:56.04 | Gnarfoz | is TEH HUNGRY |
| 18:56.15 | cog|work | "Oooooh shiny" |
| 18:56.15 | Gnarfoz | food tiems |
| 18:56.38 | MoonWitch | tucking in her sister.. and perhaps sleep some herself? |
| 18:58.17 | Cide | how old? if legal, how hot? |
| 18:58.23 | mikma | tekkub: forgot that you might love this: http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/lolwut_teenage_mutant_ninjabea.php |
| 18:58.56 | cog|work | ~lart Cide |
| 18:58.56 | purl | whacks Cide upside the head |
| 18:59.27 | Lopeppeppy | Gnarfoz, I got burned on that with Google Buzz, and it was unpretty the number of undesirable people who got ahold of my contact information from that social network up-fsckery. I will wait for the live product. |
| 19:01.49 | zenzelezz | hides |
| 19:04.44 | MoonWitch | Cide, she's 9.. |
| 19:05.22 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: whats your major concern |
| 19:05.33 | jnwhiteh | just having someone build a db of realid/char/realnames? |
| 19:05.46 | MoonWitch | But I do except her to become goodlooking when sheÅ a bit older (aka buying a shotgun in 4 yrs) |
| 19:07.48 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: not sure, I'm not the one arguing that position (I don't find the available information particularily dangerous), the idea just came to me while discussing the topic. ;) |
| 19:08.13 | jnwhiteh | fair enough |
| 19:08.13 | MoonWitch | brb |
| 19:08.21 | jnwhiteh | I just think it'd be a very bizarre prescedent for them to make |
| 19:09.14 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but even just the realname/charname mapping seems to be (probably rightfully so) too much for some |
| 19:09.19 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 19:09.22 | Fisker | i'm playing the game |
| 19:09.24 | Lunessa | station |
| 19:09.30 | Fisker | busstop |
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| 19:14.58 | Fisker | i busstation u Lunessa |
| 19:15.12 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. Are you just arriving? *puzzled* |
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| 19:16.56 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I were the away to meeting. |
| 19:17.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh for serious, i sat through 2 hours of picnic in the 85+ degree heat. |
| 19:18.05 | alestane | And then? |
| 19:19.02 | Lopeppeppy | wilted at my desk where I at least have a fan and something to drink. |
| 19:19.15 | Lunessa | drink does not include rum? |
| 19:19.55 | MoonWitch | drink without alcohol? |
| 19:20.04 | MoonWitch | what blasphemous talk is this! |
| 19:20.14 | Lunessa | has cake. |
| 19:20.21 | MoonWitch | |I hate you Lunessa |
| 19:20.22 | MoonWitch | :P |
| 19:20.28 | MoonWitch | naah, enjoy the cake :D |
| 19:20.48 | NeoTron | I like real id |
| 19:20.49 | MoonWitch | has ice cream |
| 19:20.55 | NeoTron | what I don't like is that my reaL id is ALSO my login id |
| 19:21.00 | Lunessa | It's ok. Lunessa is very hate-able. *enjoys his cake* |
| 19:21.11 | NeoTron | champions online/cryptic uses a real id as well which is simply a second "account alias" |
| 19:21.22 | NeoTron | that is NOT related to the login key at all |
| 19:21.58 | Lunessa | NeoTron: I don't like that Friends of Real ID friends can see my status. |
| 19:22.04 | NeoTron | it just removes one key that's part of the login secret |
| 19:22.18 | NeoTron | so now it's entirely relying on password + token vs email + passowrd + token |
| 19:22.20 | Lunessa | Which means if I don't trust not only you, but all your friends... I can't put you on Real ID |
| 19:22.32 | NeoTron | Lunessa: agreed, that is also not good. it should be one to one |
| 19:22.51 | NeoTron | I was highly surprised that I could see the friends of my friends, as well as request them to be my friends |
| 19:23.03 | MoonWitch | Lunessa and NeoTron : completely agree - is why I won be partaking unless that ¨feature¨ is deleted |
| 19:23.33 | NeoTron | what's also annoying is that if someone adds me as their real friend I can only see their name, not email |
| 19:23.39 | NeoTron | which means that in some cases I don't know who the heck they are |
| 19:23.58 | NeoTron | since a lot of people I know by email, I only know by email + handle/alias, not real name |
| 19:24.26 | Lunessa | NeoTron: *nod* I'll be incredibly selective of who gets to use Real ID with me. |
| 19:24.39 | MoonWitch | yeah, so - it´ll be all like ¨uh who the hell is that¨ all the damn time |
| 19:24.42 | NeoTron | I really fricking hope that SC2 will allow alias-based friends again |
| 19:24.45 | NeoTron | but I don't think they will |
| 19:24.55 | NeoTron | since, I believe, names are no longer uniquely identifiable |
| 19:25.13 | cbreak | they aren't, because they are not unique. at least not at the moment |
| 19:25.16 | NeoTron | they removed the name.domain but name is no longer unique |
| 19:25.25 | NeoTron | where name.domain was |
| 19:25.34 | cbreak | it was name.familyname! |
| 19:26.19 | Fisker | i hate Blizzard for doing that |
| 19:26.36 | Fisker | also i want cross-region shit |
| 19:27.35 | cbreak | I want local area network play. I want proper two-part-names. I want case sensitive passwords. |
| 19:27.41 | NeoTron | on the funnier side is having a Blizzard employee as a real friend |
| 19:27.42 | cbreak | I do NOT want faces in a book |
| 19:28.10 | cbreak | NeoTron: happy keeping-your-mouth-in-check due to Cataclysm NDA :/ |
| 19:28.16 | NeoTron | <Blizzard dude> is playing <Unannounced MMORPG> |
| 19:28.34 | NeoTron | cbreak: huh? I added one in SC2.. |
| 19:28.50 | cbreak | Ignore me. |
| 19:29.08 | Lunessa | NeoTron: I have several as FB friends. Real ID with them would be amusing. :) |
| 19:29.11 | NeoTron | is the facebook shit on the PTR? |
| 19:29.24 | cbreak | it's in the SC2 beta |
| 19:29.26 | NeoTron | or is it only SC2 yet? |
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| 19:30.03 | Lunessa | It's part of the PTR code, but I don't know if it's live on the PTR |
| 19:31.02 | NeoTron | maybe it's part of their new transparency - allow people to meet up with blizzard people in WoW! :P |
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| 19:32.17 | Lopeppeppy | is antisocial. Does not want people. |
| 19:32.43 | NeoTron | I much prefer 2v2, and 4v4 in SC2 |
| 19:32.53 | NeoTron | I don't like 3v3 right now since I don't ike the map much |
| 19:32.59 | NeoTron | so friends are good |
| 19:33.02 | Lunessa | Peppy dearest, you can has friends without Real ID though. :) |
| 19:33.09 | zenzelezz | I think the Facebook integration will be more like "*Friend A* > *Friend B* im in ur base killin ur doods" automatic wall-to-wall posts |
| 19:33.58 | Thunder_Child | i hope not, spam fail |
| 19:35.05 | alestane | What is peoples' source for the visibility to friends of friends? Everyone seems to be treating it as a major flaw, but the announcement page says nothing about it that I can see. |
| 19:35.42 | Thunder_Child | ptr/sc2? |
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| 19:36.51 | alestane | Because that does sound like the most bizarre aspect of the feature, and one which destroys any real control. I don't remember it from SC2, although I didn't spend too much time poking at the friends system. |
| 19:36.58 | alestane | Have you seen this in action, Thunder_Child? |
| 19:37.30 | Thunder_Child | alestane: no, hence my '?' |
| 19:37.38 | tem|work | so |
| 19:37.47 | tem|work | anyone have any experience working with 3dsmax? |
| 19:37.57 | alestane | Define 'any.' |
| 19:38.02 | alestane | About an hour. |
| 19:38.18 | tem|work | you probably won't be of any help :P |
| 19:38.36 | tem|work | I really need someone who is "good" with modeling |
| 19:38.44 | tem|work | I've been tasked with editing a heart model |
| 19:39.01 | tem|work | I know the basics of using max, but like |
| 19:39.07 | tem|work | it's still an artistic ting |
| 19:39.11 | tem|work | which I'm not very good at |
| 19:42.07 | Lopeppeppy | Do not want to be visible. |
| 19:42.34 | cog|work | projects a cloaking field around Lopeppeppy |
| 19:42.50 | Ackis | Fisker: man blur is a wicked fun game! |
| 19:42.53 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, cog. |
| 19:43.04 | zenzelezz | Man Blur? |
| 19:46.11 | Fisker | i hate you Ackis |
| 19:46.12 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 19:46.31 | Fisker | cbreak the Cataclysm NDA is void |
| 19:46.31 | Ackis | vroom vroomm |
| 19:46.38 | Ackis | screach! |
| 19:46.44 | Ackis | vrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 19:46.52 | Ackis | hi imma car |
| 19:46.57 | Fisker | it sounds like i'm doing your mom Ackis |
| 19:47.12 | Fisker | she was a sweet ride |
| 19:47.23 | Ackis | vroooommmmmmmvroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 19:47.28 | Ackis | *steers at Fisker8 |
| 19:47.32 | Ackis | SPLAT!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:47.34 | Ackis | kekekekekeke |
| 19:48.05 | zenzelezz | you should have that engine looked at, it's making Japanese sounds |
| 19:49.24 | Fisker | i had sex with your japanese mother zenzelezz |
| 19:49.38 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, did you put crack on your cornflakes? |
| 19:49.43 | cbreak | Fisker: it is? |
| 19:49.50 | zenzelezz | I didn't even know I had a Japanese mother |
| 19:50.23 | cbreak | but still no news about mage talent changes :( |
| 19:50.24 | Thunder_Child | well, now you do |
| 19:50.39 | Fisker | basically cbreak |
| 19:52.24 | Fisker | for example i can tell you we get worgen and troll warlocks |
| 19:52.24 | Fisker | or actually |
| 19:52.24 | Fisker | think it was dwarf and troll |
| 19:52.39 | Fisker | Robert Knepper Lopeppeppy |
| 19:52.42 | Fisker | Do you agree? |
| 19:52.50 | Fisker | giggles like a little schoolgirl |
| 19:52.59 | Fisker | no hints zenzelezz ! |
| 19:53.00 | NeoTron | cbreak: never listen to Fisker for things like that :P |
| 19:53.03 | Thunder_Child | what do you mean 'like'? |
| 19:53.16 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: s/for.*//; |
| 19:53.26 | Fisker | i saw what you did there Thunder_Child |
| 19:53.44 | Thunder_Child | i should hope so Fisker |
| 19:53.49 | Fisker | Typically nda's are only valid as long as there are appropiate countermeassures to stop them :3 |
| 19:53.59 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: truth |
| 20:00.02 | cog|work | o look a comic about tekkub http://theoatmeal.com/comics/bacon_love |
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| 20:05.15 | malreth | who's malreth? |
| 20:05.40 | Thunder_Child | ~malreth |
| 20:05.41 | purl | never take malreth seriously |
| 20:06.06 | malreth | sounds about right |
| 20:06.37 | cog|work | ohai |
| 20:06.45 | malreth | hallo ther cog |
| 20:07.39 | Thunder_Child | âI hate blogs. Blogs are for angry people who are sitting at their computer with a glass of wine at midnight with nothing better to do. No companies use blogs anymore.â oh lol. that also reminded me of Lunessa |
| 20:08.38 | haste | clients from hell <3 |
| 20:08.38 | Lunessa | But... I'm usually playing WoW at midnight, not blogging. And it's whiskey, not whine. And I shoot at my computer with a .44, not blog. |
| 20:10.34 | miica | I dont know how to make beautiful slider |
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| 20:10.52 | Dagmar | Chiffon. You need chiffon., |
| 20:11.17 | malreth | miica: http://www.stevenellis.com/steven_ellis_the_complete/images/wallace_slider.jpg |
| 20:11.50 | malreth | that kind of slider? |
| 20:12.23 | NightHawkTheSane | malreth: i was about to link the wiki page for a slider.. dammit! |
| 20:12.32 | NightHawkTheSane | got distracted actually reading about sliders |
| 20:12.38 | Lopeppeppy | I was thinking the small hamburger slider things.... |
| 20:12.42 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: http://www.caseyjdavis.com/wp-content/gallery/pop-burger/popburger02.jpg |
| 20:13.03 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Someone had a lobster slider, those were nice. |
| 20:13.03 | Lunessa | holy crap, it's malreth! |
| 20:13.12 | Lopeppeppy | It's very malreth, all the time! |
| 20:13.14 | malreth | AAAH! |
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| 20:14.41 | Lopeppeppy | Run. |
| 20:15.09 | malreth | runs |
| 20:15.48 | NightHawkTheSane | miica: if i end up looking at taft in a wet t-shirt in an hour, i'm blaming you |
| 20:16.00 | Dagmar | Well, I think maybe White Castle is too low budget to go back to using plates and putting cale on them |
| 20:16.36 | Dagmar | ...and why's it gotta be a White Castle anyway? |
| 20:23.40 | miica | malreth: no :< |
| 20:24.16 | miica | those burgers look goood omom |
| 20:26.28 | Dagmar | miica: Sadly, those look *nothing* like "sliders" |
| 20:30.10 | Lunessa | Sliders, AKA Gut-Bombs. |
| 20:30.52 | Dagmar | The reality is that each mini-burger in that picture has like five times more parry, and probably ten times more meat than any "slider". |
| 20:31.28 | Dagmar | Krystal and White Castle both, the patty is less than 1/4 *inch* thick, closer to 3/16". |
| 20:32.31 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/funny-pictures-cat-loled.jpg |
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| 20:47.41 | Thunder_Child | the Civ IV Medley from VGL just randomed on itunes.....now i want to play it....damit |
| 20:50.48 | NightHawkTheSane | so play it! |
| 20:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | give in to the dark side~ |
| 20:54.10 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:54.17 | Fisker | Robert Kneppr Thunder_Child ? |
| 20:54.23 | Fisker | Robert Knepper* |
| 20:54.38 | Thunder_Child | wha? |
| 20:57.01 | Fisker | yes or no? |
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| 21:07.25 | Arrowmaster | i think i need to clean my cpu heatsink again and get the dust off of it |
| 21:07.41 | Arrowmaster | that or this sensor is messed up |
| 21:08.04 | Arrowmaster | which i think it is since it just jumped from 59C to 68C then back to 59C |
| 21:08.33 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I have to do that fairly often with mine, because the fan attached to the top actually/traps/ dust in the heatsink pretty badly.. |
| 21:09.20 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 21:09.26 | Fisker | Robert Knepper Arrowmaster? |
| 21:10.09 | Arrowmaster | ive got a http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/Product_Read.asp?idx=356 so the fan doesnt trap any dust but the dust does build up on the fins |
| 21:10.25 | Arrowmaster | plus the house is just really dusty at times so it builds up fast |
| 21:11.17 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: That fan is SRS BSNS |
| 21:11.32 | Arrowmaster | its so fucking quiet |
| 21:11.53 | batrick | no u |
| 21:12.03 | Arrowmaster | although it only runs at like 2000 rpm |
| 21:12.21 | Arrowmaster | if it was faster it would probably be a lot better at cooling |
| 21:12.52 | Lunessa | I can tell when my heatsink fan needs cleaning... it starts to sound like a jet engine |
| 21:13.09 | Arrowmaster | my athlon xp sounds like than when i turn it on |
| 21:13.29 | Arrowmaster | and ive cleaned it and everything |
| 21:13.35 | zenzelezz | in my early, inexperienced days of computers, I had the misfortune of buying a FOP-38: http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/globalwin/index.html |
| 21:13.39 | zenzelezz | that thing was *loud* |
| 21:13.41 | Arrowmaster | shitty cheap ass heatsink thats gotten old i think |
| 21:14.12 | Fisker | ok Arrowmaster |
| 21:14.16 | Fisker | i fucked your sons dog then |
| 21:14.29 | Arrowmaster | haha 46.5dB that is loud |
| 21:14.40 | zenzelezz | notice how it's 6800 RPM |
| 21:14.56 | zenzelezz | because using a 60x60 fan is such a good idea |
| 21:16.03 | Arrowmaster | i dont think ive ever had a system thats run less than 50C |
| 21:16.21 | zenzelezz | when idle? |
| 21:16.25 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 21:16.55 | zenzelezz | I haven't looked at my CPU temperature for years... if it gets too hot, I'll notice |
| 21:17.09 | Arrowmaster | right now my 2.66ghz i7 is clocked down to 1.6ghz too |
| 21:17.20 | Arrowmaster | if i put it at full load it would get hot |
| 21:17.27 | Arrowmaster | but today is also fucking hot |
| 21:17.41 | Arrowmaster | fucking 84F |
| 21:18.07 | Arrowmaster | is weird and only uses C for computer temps |
| 21:18.26 | Fisker | btw Ackis |
| 21:18.30 | Fisker | any alpha protocol demo on xbawks? |
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| 21:21.59 | foxlit | grr. |
| 21:22.16 | foxlit | My solution is outperformed by a factor of 10 :/ |
| 21:22.44 | zenzelezz | what solution? |
| 21:22.53 | foxlit | graphplan. |
| 21:30.46 | cog|work | http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/index.php |
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| 22:00.56 | zenzelezz | "I am satisfied. My guild was easily capable of a 25m LK kill ,but we spent over a month on him because we just didn't have the gear to get him down." - I am intrigued about this combination of "easily capable" and "didn't get him down" |
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| 22:03.57 | cbreak | my guild was also easily capable of killing him. Unfortunately, people stopped raiding while we failed to kill Blood Queen, Professor and Co :( |
| 22:04.07 | Lunessa | It's like, "I'm happy, I can easily pick up any chick in this bar, but I had to work extra hard and long to pick up a chick in this bar." |
| 22:04.11 | miica | i have probkems to add burgers in my slider :< |
| 22:05.18 | miica | is it even possible to add burger in slider |
| 22:05.30 | zenzelezz | burger? Slider? |
| 22:05.36 | Kraps | check out these photos of awesome http://www.hpana.com/imageviewer.cfm?nid=21109&f=ginny-harry.jpg http://www.hpana.com/imageviewer.cfm?nid=21109&f=ginny-harry-albus.jpg http://www.hpana.com/imageviewer.cfm?nid=21109&f=ginny-lily.jpg http://www.hpana.com/imageviewer.cfm?nid=21109&f=ginny-albus.jpg http://www.hpana.com/imageviewer.cfm?nid=21109&f=james-albus-ginny.jpg |
| 22:05.47 | miica | zenzelezz: slider widget |
| 22:05.53 | miica | zenzelezz: and burger texture in it |
| 22:06.43 | malreth | TIME TO GO HOMES |
| 22:07.08 | miica | i just want cool slider :< |
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| 22:11.43 | Cairenn | mocks cog|work |
| 22:14.25 | cog|work | is mocked |
| 22:14.30 | cog|work | looks around innocently |
| 22:14.45 | Cairenn | heheh |
| 22:15.10 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:15.10 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:16.39 | Fisker | one question Cairenn |
| 22:16.43 | Fisker | Robert Knepper Cairenn? |
| 22:16.45 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 22:17.32 | Fisker | It's like having an up-side-down calculator that says 58008 |
| 22:20.34 | Lunessa | I'm so making a goblin only guild ... <Sprokets Rule> |
| 22:20.48 | Lunessa | <Sprockets Rule> even |
| 22:21.10 | Fisker | I'm gonna make one called "Screw my cog" |
| 22:21.56 | cog|work | Fisker: you know that 58008 looks just like 80085 upside down right? |
| 22:22.27 | cog|work | Lunessa: it's been clearly established that the cogs and sprockets are rival gnomish factions :P |
| 22:22.58 | cog|work | either your goblins are traitors to the horde or the sprocket gnomes are traitors to the alliance |
| 22:23.00 | Lunessa | cog|work: Then... I'll make <Boom Baby> |
| 22:23.26 | Fisker | Robert Knepper cog|work ? |
| 22:23.52 | ArrPirate | I'm trying to alter a variable in a function without returning anything. In C++ I'd simply set the variable as a reference, can I do something similar in lua? |
| 22:24.07 | Fisker | answer me cog|work |
| 22:24.08 | cog|work | put the variable inside a table and pass the table around |
| 22:24.22 | cog|work | Fisker: ask me a well-formed question... |
| 22:24.27 | NightHawkTheSane | put teh variable outside the function's scope, althogh thats not terribly clean. |
| 22:24.56 | cog|work | or that. it's not as unclean as an actual global ;) |
| 22:25.19 | Antiarc | local variable outside the function will work just fine |
| 22:25.30 | cog|work | why not just make your function return a value? |
| 22:26.03 | cog|work | lua has multiple returns, so there really isn't any need for output parameters |
| 22:26.36 | frontendloader | ArrPirate: theres a convention that I know a few UI devs follow these days, setting up an addon table as a gigantic "object" |
| 22:27.07 | Fisker | <question>Robert Knepper cog|work?</question> |
| 22:27.11 | Fisker | is it wellformed XML now? |
| 22:27.24 | cog|work | who said what about XML? |
| 22:27.27 | ArrPirate | as in, every variable used in the addon that needs an addon-wide scope can be part of a table created for that purpose, frontendloader? |
| 22:27.35 | frontendloader | yeah |
| 22:27.50 | ArrPirate | I could try that. |
| 22:27.50 | frontendloader | local ArrPirateAddon = select(2, ...) as the first line of your addon |
| 22:28.08 | frontendloader | and then ArrPirateAddon.thing = "stuff" |
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| 22:28.59 | frontendloader | I forget how to describe what that select(2, ...) line does, but its giving you a spot in the global variable table or something |
| 22:29.08 | frontendloader | _G |
| 22:29.12 | Fisker | man i'm bored cog|work |
| 22:29.49 | Thunder_Child | no kidding Fisker |
| 22:29.58 | Fisker | Well Thunder_Child |
| 22:30.02 | Fisker | Robert Knepper Thunder_Child? |
| 22:30.02 | cog|work | every lua chunk is basically a function. when wow loads a file, it passes the addon name and an addon-wide table to each file |
| 22:30.11 | cog|work | ... is just the name for "the list of paremeters" |
| 22:30.22 | Thunder_Child | odd, you can random dungeon queue w/o selecting a role |
| 22:30.24 | Antiarc | http://vimeo.com/12003099 |
| 22:30.26 | Antiarc | That's friggin' evil |
| 22:30.36 | Fisker | you need to mine some ah data from me Antiarc |
| 22:30.38 | cog|work | select(2, ...) gets the value of the second parameter |
| 22:31.12 | cog|work | This is actually specifically to AVOID doing anything with the global environment (_G) |
| 22:32.40 | frontendloader | I'm an awful person I use convetions without knowing exactly why I'm using them :( |
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| 22:35.16 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:36.05 | Lopeppeppy | Is it cold? |
| 22:36.21 | Lunessa | passes Lopeppeppy a bucket of ice. |
| 22:36.25 | Thunder_Child | has anyone ever used MOSEK Optimization Software? |
| 22:36.49 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Lunessa. 90 in the apartment, ffs. |
| 22:36.54 | Lunessa | ... |
| 22:37.00 | Lunessa | You need A/C. |
| 22:37.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for summer? |
| 22:37.10 | Shadowed | Summer? |
| 22:37.12 | Shadowed | looks out the window |
| 22:37.12 | Lopeppeppy | I have a window unit, I can't really run it when I'm not home. |
| 22:37.16 | Shadowed | Why hello rain! |
| 22:38.11 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: I hear ya - 90 here, with a humidex feels like of 99 |
| 22:39.21 | Kraps | http://jezebel.com/5547246/sorority-life-playing-facebooks-mean+girl-game |
| 22:39.36 | Fisker | up for another adventurous day of ideastealing Shadowed? |
| 22:39.53 | NightHawkTheSane | 90? |
| 22:40.22 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a balmy low 60s here.. |
| 22:41.59 | Kraps | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/05/rpginfographicfinal.jpg |
| 22:45.51 | Lopeppeppy | poor kitties get ice cubes in their water bowls, don't quite know what to think of them. |
| 22:46.21 | Fisker | http://artoftheiphone.com/2009/12/13/analyst-says-iphone-users-experiencing-stockholm-syndrome/ |
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| 22:49.43 | Fisker | that's what she said |
| 22:50.43 | Kraps | Fisker: i think it mostly applies to hardcore Apple fans more |
| 22:51.55 | Fisker | well i could just blow you up Kraps |
| 22:53.48 | Kraps | Fisker: http://tinyurl.com/ykvb6qv |
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| 23:06.07 | Amarande | "on sale June 2 & 5" |
| 23:06.12 | Amarande | is it just me, or does that just sound odd? |
| 23:06.20 | Amarande | June 2 *through* 5 would sound normal |
| 23:06.27 | Amarande | June 2 *and* 5, for what I presume is an online ticket sale, seems strange |
| 23:06.47 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 23:06.49 | Cairenn | No, it means they are selling them on two separate dates, same as last year |
| 23:07.04 | Amarande | Cairenn: and why, pray tell, not June 3 and 4? |
| 23:07.12 | Thunder_Child | though i think they did friday and friday last year |
| 23:07.13 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 23:07.17 | Amarande | is it *worth* the effort to deactivate the ticket sales server for two days and then reactivate it ... :S |
| 23:07.23 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: to let their systems have a break from being hammered |
| 23:07.29 | Amarande | if they were selling it at an actual kiosk, that would be different heh |
| 23:07.31 | Cairenn | Amarande: It's not like I actually work for Blizzard :p |
| 23:07.56 | Amarande | I was thinking unless June 3 and 4 are some sort of major release they need the server resources for |
| 23:08.04 | Amarande | but a patch would be June 1 or 8, not 3 or 4 |
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| 23:08.46 | miica | http://github.com/miica/AngryDKP/blob/master/modules/dkpframe.lua hjelp :/ |
| 23:09.01 | miica | I cant make frame and inside that slider and scrollframe? |
| 23:09.49 | miica | or maybe i need to achor it :o |
| 23:11.00 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly| (~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-23-120.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:11.09 | Amarande | btw: what's AVR? |
| 23:11.27 | miica | i got DKPFrame and inside that ScrollFrame and inside ScrollFrame is Child and inside Child there is buttons |
| 23:11.34 | miica | and inside DKPFrame there is also slider |
| 23:11.37 | |Jelly| | A pretty neat addon that apparently retards down fights too much for the elitists out there. (AVRe, that is) |
| 23:11.48 | Amarande | miica: see, this is why I find object oriented programming annoying |
| 23:12.39 | Amarande | "If we find that the AVR mod (or any mod attempting to replicate its functions) are usable after 3.3.5 we will take further, more drastic steps." |
| 23:12.41 | Amarande | uh oh. |
| 23:12.55 | frontendloader | thats not a threat |
| 23:12.57 | Amarande | why do I have a feeling that by cata, we won't even be able to use DBM or such, or maybe even be able to click on the minimap anymore |
| 23:12.58 | frontendloader | that is a challenge! |
| 23:13.06 | Amarande | frontendloader: yeah, people are going to take it as a challenge, I'm sure |
| 23:13.19 | Fisker | naw Amarande |
| 23:13.33 | Amarande | and by 5.0.0, Blizzard will be so concerned about "player reaction" that hardly any questing/instance oriented UI mods will be allowed at all |
| 23:13.45 | Amarande | and the addon interface will be "that thing everyone uses for auctioneer, that's all" |
| 23:14.07 | Cairenn | hands out the tinfoil |
| 23:14.17 | Lopeppeppy | Make-um big-um hats! |
| 23:14.31 | Lunessa | rolls his eyes. |
| 23:15.05 | Lopeppeppy | I would sell my damn soul for a chocolate chip cookie |
| 23:15.16 | Lunessa | has cookies. |
| 23:15.27 | Fisker | readies the papers |
| 23:15.31 | Cairenn | tackles Lunessa |
| 23:15.32 | Fisker | sign here Lopeppeppy |
| 23:15.38 | Fisker | yes lets tackle Lunessa |
| 23:15.38 | miica | PLAAA |
| 23:15.46 | Lunessa | ... but, I was going to own her soul! |
| 23:15.48 | miica | meeh no likes scrollframes :( |
| 23:15.52 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: I'll hold him down, you get the cookies! |
| 23:15.58 | Fisker | tacklehugs Lunessa |
| 23:16.02 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot has!!!! |
| 23:16.05 | Lopeppeppy | That's why the selling of the soul. |
| 23:16.14 | Lopeppeppy | I'd go to the grocery and buy me some, if I could have 'em. |
| 23:16.18 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, are they scrumptious? |
| 23:16.29 | Lunessa | *nom* *nom* *nom* |
| 23:16.35 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: CAN has! these ones are virtual |
| 23:16.47 | Lopeppeppy | OH. |
| 23:16.54 | Lopeppeppy | tackles the bejeesus out of Lunessa. |
| 23:16.56 | PProvost | miica: ScrollFrame.SetScrollChild |
| 23:17.04 | PProvost | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScrollFrame/SetScrollChild |
| 23:17.13 | miica | PProvost: meeh got it there :P |
| 23:17.18 | Amarande | Peppy, I don't think you can vendor soul shards :( |
| 23:17.28 | Amarande | on the other hand, you *can* get good money for Dissolved Soul Essence |
| 23:17.33 | Amarande | so I guess you just have to find a suitable solvent first! :) |
| 23:17.44 | miica | PProvost: line 62 :3 |
| 23:18.07 | Amarande | Cairenn, you might want to send Sargeras to see Peppy about that soul deal. He's fond of that, right? :) |
| 23:18.15 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:18.29 | Amarande | btw, would Arthas have been able to defeat even Sargeras with the Frostmourne? |
| 23:18.33 | Amarande | or does its power not quite extend that far :) |
| 23:18.42 | miica | when i finaly got nice scrollbar i cant see content meeh so sad :< |
| 23:19.38 | Fisker | Robert Knepper Amarande? |
| 23:20.12 | miica | PProvost: looks like ScrollFrame needed size 2 |
| 23:20.30 | Amarande | so |
| 23:20.40 | Amarande | precisely which addon functionality is being b0rked in 3.3.5, then? |
| 23:20.49 | Amarande | (I'm assuming they're going to do it by making more functions protected?) |
| 23:21.18 | Lunessa | Amarande: They're removing CVars related to camera information. |
| 23:21.31 | Amarande | should we expect to see other commonly used addons break as well, as a penalty for the AVR folks' insolence? |
| 23:21.37 | Fisker | no |
| 23:21.44 | Fisker | AVR was the only addon that did it i think |
| 23:22.55 | Lopeppeppy | If no other addons do it, none *should* break. |
| 23:23.15 | Lopeppeppy | Usual caveat of everyone should check themselves to make sure, 'cause change is very changeful. |
| 23:23.15 | Fisker | Would be a neat tool to have though |
| 23:23.27 | NightHawkTheSane | so, translation: unless you were doing something wrong, your addon probably shouldn't break. |
| 23:23.47 | Lunessa | There are significant changes to chat - so many chat addons will need work. |
| 23:24.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that too. |
| 23:24.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: tell me you're going to update chatter, yeah? ;) |
| 23:25.12 | Fisker | he already did |
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| 23:27.02 | Fisker | slaps WobWork around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:27.45 | miica | I think it looks kinda cute now http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2302354/WoWScrnShot_052610_022632.jpg |
| 23:28.49 | Amarande | there seems to be some concern that it's going to break TomTom |
| 23:29.05 | WobWork | 3.3.5? |
| 23:29.11 | Amarande | (I'm presuming something to do with determining the direction for the crazy taxi arrow ... wonder if QH will be similarly handicapped and given its final coffin nail) |
| 23:29.12 | WobWork | or whatever Antiarc will come up with =) |
| 23:29.12 | NightHawkTheSane | why would it do that? |
| 23:29.22 | Fisker | the arrow uses playerfacing |
| 23:29.25 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 23:29.28 | Amarande | Night: TomTom and QH have to know what direction you're facing to face the taxi arrow accordingly. |
| 23:29.30 | WobWork | TomTom doesn't use anything past coords and facing |
| 23:29.41 | Amarande | isn't that the same sort of thing that's going to be broken to stop AVR? |
| 23:29.41 | WobWork | it doesn't use the camera angle |
| 23:29.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: if you actually USED tomtom, you'd know it has NOTHIGN to do with the camera |
| 23:30.12 | Amarande | Night: except how else could it know which way you are facing so it can make the arrow green or red |
| 23:30.19 | Amarande | and the same for QH |
| 23:30.25 | NightHawkTheSane | .... |
| 23:30.29 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously? |
| 23:30.30 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: There's already a 3.3.5 branch |
| 23:30.36 | ArrowmasterClass | hmm i wonder how good the firewall rules are on this network since ive got a public ip address |
| 23:30.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: player facing and camera are two completely unrelated functions |
| 23:30.56 | Antiarc | player facing is the character facing, not the camera facing |
| 23:31.03 | NightHawkTheSane | it's the entire reason you can look one way and walk another. |
| 23:31.15 | Fisker | though technically the arrow should use camera facing instead |
| 23:31.20 | Fisker | since that would've been nicer |
| 23:31.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker: well, not anymore it shouldnt' ;) |
| 23:31.31 | Amarande | Fisker: it would also have resulted in QH and TomTom breaking in 3.3.5, though |
| 23:31.31 | Fisker | indeed :P |
| 23:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: woo! (you know, for the two days a week i still play) |
| 23:31.35 | ArrowmasterClass | it would except the camera facing stuff has always been half broken |
| 23:31.44 | Amarande | and for QH, that would have been the end, because Zorba is phasing out his maintenance of it |
| 23:31.46 | ArrowmasterClass | and it takes extra work to be able to even use it properly |
| 23:31.55 | ArrowmasterClass | you have to hook all worldframe clicks |
| 23:31.59 | Amarande | man, I am so not looking forward to no QH in Cata |
| 23:32.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, you might have to think. |
| 23:32.26 | Amarande | Night: you might have to constantly look up things on wowhead to find more obscure quest stuff, you mean |
| 23:32.29 | WobWork | it'll be -terrible- |
| 23:32.37 | WobWork | lightheaded will still work, no? |
| 23:32.39 | Amarande | world of alt-tabcraft :P |
| 23:32.43 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: absolutely |
| 23:32.50 | WobWork | I don't see an issue then =P |
| 23:32.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: oh, the horror. cry me a river. |
| 23:32.58 | Amarande | until they disable alt-tab because they claim it's associated with keyloggers and bots, of course :) |
| 23:33.01 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: everything is pinpointed on the map nowadays |
| 23:33.05 | Thunder_Child | who needs the other stuff |
| 23:33.06 | Amarande | (not that I'm saying they would, but some MMOs *have* done that) |
| 23:33.10 | WobWork | Amarande: lrn2windowthegame |
| 23:33.27 | Amarande | I think in FFXI alt-tabbing still exits the game, for instance :S |
| 23:33.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: yeah, i honestly haven't even looked at lightheaded in a while |
| 23:33.41 | WobWork | haven't needed to |
| 23:33.51 | WobWork | except maybe to see if people have solo'd quest bosses |
| 23:33.54 | Amarande | Night: yeah, because we have QH :) |
| 23:33.59 | WobWork | not I |
| 23:34.03 | WobWork | never installed the thing |
| 23:34.07 | WobWork | never felt a need |
| 23:34.09 | Lunessa | Ciao tutti. |
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| 23:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no, because i'm not a mindless automaton with no ability to think for himself. |
| 23:34.58 | Thunder_Child | the only thing that GQ does that the native one doesnt (as far as i can tell) is to say in what order is the shrtest path to complete them all |
| 23:35.10 | Amarande | Night: there are some quests where addons can be particularly helpful though |
| 23:35.19 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: I installed it for the occasional quest that was a little confusing (mostly pre-wrath stuff) |
| 23:35.31 | Thunder_Child | s/GQ/QH/ |
| 23:35.45 | Amarande | Like particularly the ones of the "find this stupidly tiny thing that you can barely even see the quest sparklies for and is practically hidden in the terrain" type that they're sometimes fond of |
| 23:35.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Since the built-in quest stuff, I've not really ever needed a quest addon, for anything. |
| 23:36.06 | Amarande | knowing that if it was a mob it would've aggroed ya can be helpful there. :) |
| 23:36.23 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 23:36.27 | Amarande | I suppose it was more important in times past, though |
| 23:36.29 | Cairenn | huggles Sargeras |
| 23:36.32 | Amarande | They've been pretty good with the quest sparklies lately |
| 23:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: yeah, the shortest path stuff is neat, but again, it's not really so complex you can't eyeball it. And it's not as if being slightly less efficiant is a big deal |
| 23:36.46 | Amarande | There used to be quests where the object blended stupidly well into the terrain AND they didn't even give you sparklies |
| 23:36.47 | WobWork | I'm thankful every time I see lichbloom on black rock |
| 23:36.50 | NightHawkTheSane | so you level 5 minutes later than you might otherwise *shrug* |
| 23:38.42 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: concidering this is the...6th 80 i am working on, less time = good. wont be an issue in cata due to the new quests/areas/etc. |
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| 23:40.34 | Amarande | actually, yeah, QH might not be as useful as it sometimes seems |
| 23:40.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: *shrug* after 6ish 80's myself, i dont really feel that shaving a couple minutes off the odd path would have been terribly valuable |
| 23:40.57 | Amarande | especially with improved maps, quest sparkles on most stuff, and ... oh yeah, QH's inability to deal with z-axis |
| 23:41.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Very rarely am I so pressed for time while leveling that taking a less-than-optimal route really bothers me |
| 23:41.12 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: 5minx40 levels? |
| 23:41.30 | Amarande | (Quest object is underground, you're standing on a hill above the cave) "Hi, YOU IDIOT SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE THE QUEST ITEM BY NOW" |
| 23:41.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: i'm sure it comes out to a significant number, but that belies the real amount of time spent. |
| 23:41.44 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: not a pressed for time but a 'bored' |
| 23:41.52 | NightHawkTheSane | an extra 2 minutes on a two hour gaming session is nothing. |
| 23:42.17 | NightHawkTheSane | I just don't think you'd actually really notice the difference. |
| 23:42.46 | Thunder_Child | *snif* spoiling my dreams |
| 23:42.49 | Thunder_Child | sniff* |
| 23:43.06 | NightHawkTheSane | it's what i do |
| 23:43.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i feed on broken dreams. |
| 23:43.31 | Thunder_Child | well then, dinners up |
| 23:44.02 | Thunder_Child | oooo, i wonder if druids are going to have an underwater combat for for cata |
| 23:44.16 | NightHawkTheSane | form*? |
| 23:44.23 | Thunder_Child | err..yes |
| 23:44.27 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd be neat, but i don't expect so. |
| 23:44.39 | Thunder_Child | why not? they have an entire underwater zone |
| 23:45.07 | Amarande | T_C: I believe this means it's time to learn to hug your warlocks and shamans |
| 23:45.10 | NightHawkTheSane | well, unless its purely a cosmetic thing, that doesn't change their abilities |
| 23:45.29 | Amarande | Night: you must be Algalon's little brother. |
| 23:45.42 | Amarande | He feeds on tears, you feed on the broken dreams that made them. :) |
| 23:45.45 | NightHawkTheSane | adding a new form typically means it needs abilities to go with it |
| 23:45.58 | Amarande | again: learn to /hug your warlocks and shamans |
| 23:46.09 | NightHawkTheSane | probably unlikely. |
| 23:46.11 | Amarande | it's time warlocks got a little love |
| 23:46.15 | Thunder_Child | yank em from underwatter npc's |
| 23:46.28 | Thunder_Child | water* |
| 23:46.30 | Amarande | always seems like locks are getting the short end of the stick |
| 23:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i think they said that underwater combat wasn't going to be much like current underwater movement |
| 23:46.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no, thats just your martyr complex. :p |
| 23:47.09 | Thunder_Child | they may be getting the short end of the stick but it's not the side with the pointy bit |
| 23:47.10 | Amarande | Night: no, that's just one of the things that shifted me to focusing on my DK instead |
| 23:47.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i wouldn't be surprised if current 'underwater zones' are designed to not rely on some form of undewater breathing/swim speed enhancement |
| 23:47.47 | NightHawkTheSane | er. |
| 23:47.52 | NightHawkTheSane | not current, cataclysm |
| 23:47.58 | Amarande | Night: you mean "giant air bubble under the water" paradigm? :| |
| 23:48.04 | Amarande | that would so spoil the fun, though :( |
| 23:48.18 | NightHawkTheSane | or a fob, or whatever, doesn't matter. |
| 23:48.37 | Amarande | otoh, purple lotus might become an endangered species if you need underwater breathing buffs in the underwater zone :S |
| 23:48.46 | Thunder_Child | i'm fairly sure it said 'in the water' |
| 23:48.53 | foxlit | aquatic form > you. |
| 23:48.56 | foxlit | :) |
| 23:49.14 | Thunder_Child | combat > aquatic form > you |
| 23:49.18 | NightHawkTheSane | it would be silly to require specific buffs provided only by other players to do basic quest content |
| 23:49.18 | ArrowmasterClass | apparently i need to move to a different state, http://www.netindex.com/ shows only 5 states that are slower than mine |
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| 23:49.31 | foxlit | you can shift to aquatic form in combat, though. |
| 23:49.51 | foxlit | And with the breath timer being as long as it is in wrath, you wouldn't need to do so very often. |
| 23:50.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ArrowmasterClass: i like how wyoming is so high on the quality index. i'm sure the five people who live in the state love their net connection. |
| 23:50.41 | Thunder_Child | you wont need to have stuff for breathing underwater |
| 23:51.01 | Thunder_Child | if i had to guess it would be a zoen wide 'underwater breathing' spell or somesuch |
| 23:51.20 | Thunder_Child | zone* |
| 23:52.17 | foxlit | Heck, they can just reuse what they do in Azeroth -- air bubbles at the ocean floor |
| 23:52.17 | Thunder_Child | they arent trying to make it a paita |
| 23:52.17 | Thunder_Child | pita |
| 23:52.34 | Amarande | T_C: will swim speed buffs still be "highly recommended" though? |
| 23:53.06 | Amarande | Night: Wyoming is kinda important comms-wise |
| 23:53.18 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: *shrug* it's a questing zone, dunno if it would be that needed. if there was a dungeon/raid down there, that would be something else |
| 23:53.29 | Amarande | remember, there's a ticking geothermal TIME BOMB out there that needs constant watching in case the emergency we all hope doesn't happen in our lifetimes happens |
| 23:53.48 | ArrowmasterClass | http://www.netindex.com/quality/3,149/Ohio/ |
| 23:53.55 | ArrowmasterClass | weee guess which area im in |
| 23:53.57 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: can't be much worse than my country =P |
| 23:53.58 | Amarande | T_C: might make me like my warlock some more if I'm moving 20% faster than everyone else though :) |
| 23:54.11 | ArrowmasterClass | WobWork: duh |
| 23:57.24 | Amarande | otoh, my DK in unholy presence will still move 50% faster than everyone |
