| 00:00.13 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 00:00.22 | Dagmar | "[...] and while I am interested in observing other people.s wireless traffic, I.m not interested in breaking the law. " |
| 00:00.44 | Dagmar | Translation: I've already been the target of a massive and globally coverred investigation once this century--let's not tempt fate. |
| 00:09.09 | NightHawkTheSane | "i can't do that test until tomorrow, because the build took too long, because i broke it just now..." |
| 00:09.14 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, i love my coworkers. |
| 00:09.50 | DWSR | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1717-Dead-to-Rights-Retribution |
| 00:09.52 | DWSR | LAWL |
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| 00:27.39 | Dagmar | It's over. |
| 00:27.49 | Dagmar | Autotune has made it into J-pop now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-2fCjc7Xcs |
| 00:29.29 | Dagmar | They gave it a mind, and a will of it's own. |
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| 00:31.56 | Arrowmaster | exit tunes has really been going down hill lately |
| 00:33.32 | Arrowmaster | and is that really autotune or is it just vocaloid stuff |
| 00:33.51 | Dagmar | I like to think of it as auto-tune without the vapid star requirement |
| 00:33.53 | Dagmar | Am I wrong? |
| 00:34.05 | Dagmar | I get the feeling that the voices are entirely made up, right?> |
| 00:34.28 | Arrowmaster | generally i think the vocaloid stuff is a lot better than that |
| 00:34.36 | Arrowmaster | i thought at least |
| 00:34.36 | Dagmar | Oh and that's apparently the #1 album in Japan right now |
| 00:35.04 | Dagmar | Autotune provides pitch control for a voice which lacks it |
| 00:35.06 | Arrowmaster | it was just released on the 19th according to that |
| 00:35.17 | Dagmar | Vocaloids provide pitch for a voice that doesn't exist |
| 00:35.54 | Mr_Rabies | well vocaloids are more like TTS |
| 00:36.12 | Mr_Rabies | there's a base voice generally based on a real singer, no? |
| 00:37.28 | Dagmar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocaloid |
| 00:37.30 | Dagmar | Basically, no. |
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| 00:39.16 | kd3 | backhoe-induced connectivity failures <3 |
| 00:39.42 | Arrowmaster | but seriously i dont know whats up with exit trance, they go from stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALNO-F3xtds on the first code speed album to that |
| 00:42.00 | Dagmar | I know nothing about hte japanese club scene other than those girls look tasty |
| 00:42.15 | Dagmar | I am not sure I would want to be in a club playing that tho |
| 00:43.21 | Arrowmaster | i dont think most of those remixs are playable in clubs |
| 00:43.24 | Dagmar | I always hoped it was a bit like what I saw on Lain |
| 00:43.42 | Arrowmaster | i still havent watched that.... |
| 00:43.46 | Dagmar | o.O |
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| 00:43.51 | Dagmar | Jesus man |
| 00:43.51 | Arrowmaster | i have it! |
| 00:43.58 | Dagmar | You should watch it. |
| 00:44.01 | Arrowmaster | i should |
| 00:44.06 | Dagmar | ...but not all at once and definitely not on LSD. |
| 00:44.11 | Dagmar | It'll do bad things to your mind. |
| 00:44.16 | Arrowmaster | did you...... |
| 00:44.26 | Dagmar | I have more sense than that. |
| 00:44.42 | Dagmar | I did watch the lot all at one go twice |
| 00:44.49 | Arrowmaster | well i generally watch things all at once unless im watching them while they are currently airing |
| 00:44.54 | Dagmar | ...just to make sure I didn't miss any symbolism arcs and s oon |
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| 00:45.10 | Dagmar | You're going to want a bit of time to digest each episode |
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| 00:49.27 | Dagmar | The intro tune it horribly catchy |
| 00:49.29 | Dagmar | er is |
| 00:49.42 | Arrowmaster | from what i linked? |
| 00:49.50 | Arrowmaster | or lain? |
| 00:50.00 | Dagmar | Lain |
| 00:50.23 | Dagmar | You will never look at tomboys wearing little knitted cat ear hats the same |
| 00:53.42 | Arrowmaster | http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=mylist&uid=237287&pass=12345 |
| 00:53.45 | Arrowmaster | see i have it |
| 00:53.49 | Arrowmaster | just havent watched it |
| 00:54.52 | Dagmar | You will understand my reaction after you've watched it |
| 00:55.24 | Dagmar | Ya just have no idea what it is you're getting into with that one |
| 01:05.53 | Adys | kd3: ping |
| 01:07.35 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: By the way, the people at MyAnimeList can all die and rot in hell |
| 01:07.49 | Dagmar | http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=198743 <-- ignorant tools, all of them |
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| 01:08.03 | kd3 | gaaaaah! |
| 01:08.10 | kd3 | lain is a mindfuck, by the way |
| 01:11.15 | Dagmar | I warned him about that |
| 01:13.27 | Dagmar | I'm just baffled that someone that's that into anime hasn't seen it _already_ |
| 01:14.05 | Arrowmaster | i watched at least one episode of it |
| 01:15.54 | Dagmar | It's up there with the original Star Wars |
| 01:16.12 | Dagmar | ...although probably a lot better than the original Star Wars, which was acutally pretty campy |
| 01:16.43 | Dagmar | It's like you're a comic book fanatic who has no idea who that old "Stan" guy is in the movies |
| 01:17.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont read comic books and i knew who Stan was way back in mallrats |
| 01:18.02 | Dagmar | It's the most awesome anime I've ever seen |
| 01:26.01 | Thunder_Child | lol "Laser Disc Player Repair Person" |
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| 02:01.47 | kd3 | rgrr |
| 02:01.55 | kd3 | this... not fucking cool. |
| 02:05.31 | kd3 | grrs some more at his uplink |
| 02:08.49 | Antiarc | Want to know what cut of a gem sells best? |
| 02:08.51 | Antiarc | http://wowbench.com/charts/top_sellers?q=Ametrine :D |
| 02:09.18 | Arrowmaster | another of your domains? |
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| 02:09.29 | Adys | Antiarc: i hope for everyone's sakes you're actually saving all this data |
| 02:09.33 | Antiarc | Adys: I am. |
| 02:09.35 | Adys | and not discarding it after 30 days or some shit |
| 02:09.37 | Antiarc | Nope. |
| 02:09.40 | Antiarc | It's gonna live forever. |
| 02:09.42 | Adys | gewd |
| 02:09.46 | Antiarc | Because mongodb is awesome at that. |
| 02:09.47 | Shadowed | No reason to discard data when it's out of game |
| 02:10.09 | kd3 | you doing this for a specific server or gamewide? |
| 02:10.44 | Antiarc | Cenarion Circle, alliance side, because that's where my main is |
| 02:10.51 | Antiarc | (I should add that to the template at some point) |
| 02:11.16 | Adys | Antiarc: unable to scan anything else? |
| 02:11.23 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: are you saving the raw data or the processed data? for example if you later make changes to more accurately predict the sales from the canceled auctions will that effect previous data? |
| 02:11.41 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: I'm saving the raw json from the armory |
| 02:11.45 | Antiarc | Adys: Haven't really tried. |
| 02:12.09 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/auctionboss/search.php?q=Infinite+Dust |
| 02:12.13 | Antiarc | That's a dump of the raw data |
| 02:12.14 | Arrowmaster | can you get the neutral AH? |
| 02:12.17 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 02:12.43 | Arrowmaster | get around the authenticator issue? |
| 02:12.46 | Antiarc | Anyhow, mongodb stores json documents, and the armory is giving me json, so it's an easy fit |
| 02:12.52 | Antiarc | Yeah, my login routines account for an authenticator |
| 02:13.14 | Antiarc | I've got my scraper running in the background, I just auth it once and it sits there and runs |
| 02:14.35 | Thunder_Child | scrapes Antiarc |
| 02:16.37 | Antiarc | If any of you are interested I'd be happy to give you a dump of my mongodb collections |
| 02:16.43 | Antiarc | So you could do data analysis on your end |
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| 02:37.54 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* it really should be eaiser to put a fist in your mouth. |
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| 02:50.44 | Jamash | use a baby's fist next time |
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| 03:01.15 | Kraps | these bitches are awesome http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/female-worgen-preview-pictures/ |
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| 03:07.16 | Nechckn | They are pretty cool looking. |
| 03:07.40 | Kraps | yup |
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| 03:11.52 | Cloudwolf | I wonder what hte hair will look like |
| 03:15.02 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/05/20/blizzard-to-break-the-avr-mod-in-patch-3-3-5/ |
| 03:15.32 | Cloudwolf | oh yeah that |
| 03:15.37 | Cloudwolf | i support and don't support that. |
| 03:16.17 | Cloudwolf | I don't support breaking AVR entirely but removing the ability for modules to tap into it so that it can't display during the middle of a fight (it could be handy for a prefight descriptor) |
| 03:22.04 | Jamash | On the one hand, I don't care, and on the other hand, I still don't care |
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| 03:23.11 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i dont see the problem with making it optional |
| 03:26.36 | Arrowmaster | even if they did only break it incombat, it would still turn into a required addon by the noskill failtards because they will tell everybody in their pug 'get avr and ill show you the positions before we start combat, im not going to bother talking you through the positions' |
| 03:27.18 | Xinhuan | oh cool, sc2 latest patch has realID facebook integration in... and UDP enabled |
| 03:27.28 | Xinhuan | and identifiers removed |
| 03:28.28 | Cloudwolf | I want that to be activated in WoW because atm sc2 doesn't have any of my friends in it. |
| 03:29.10 | Xinhuan | i think i'll probably find a ton |
| 03:29.19 | Kraps | i actually never heard of that addon until like 2 weeks ago |
| 03:29.33 | Xinhuan | Kraps, AVR was even advertised on mmo-champ |
| 03:29.36 | Xinhuan | front page |
| 03:29.37 | Xinhuan | for a while |
| 03:29.41 | Xinhuan | complete with youtube videos |
| 03:29.43 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder how exactly they're going to kill off AVR |
| 03:29.57 | Xinhuan | they did it by killing the cvars that control saving/loading cameras, zorba |
| 03:30.00 | Cloudwolf | break the camera? |
| 03:30.04 | ZorbaBeta | ah, that makes sense |
| 03:30.05 | Dagmar | Telling folks a stern "NO" is a good start |
| 03:30.33 | Cloudwolf | xinhuan i just want the SC2 map editor to come out already |
| 03:30.38 | Jamash | lol wut |
| 03:30.38 | Cloudwolf | i want to mess with that powerhouse of an editor |
| 03:30.46 | Jamash | it's been out for like weeks |
| 03:31.04 | Cloudwolf | well i don't have it >.> |
| 03:31.22 | Cloudwolf | i just have the sc2 beta |
| 03:31.27 | Cloudwolf | where do if ind the editor? |
| 03:31.33 | Jamash | in the sc2 beta folder |
| 03:32.03 | Cloudwolf | well i feel retarded |
| 03:32.06 | Cloudwolf | >.> |
| 03:32.08 | Cloudwolf | <.< |
| 03:32.13 | Arrowmaster | SaveView(5); self.cameraPitch=GetCVar("cameraPitchE")*deg2rad; self.cameraDistance=GetCVar("cameraDistanceE")*self.cameraDistF; self.cameraYaw=tonumber(GetCVar("cameraYawE"))*deg2rad |
| 03:32.16 | Cloudwolf | no icon to it makes my life harder |
| 03:32.22 | Arrowmaster | thats exactly what the broke in AVR |
| 03:32.34 | cog|away | ~seen tuller |
| 03:32.36 | purl | tuller <~Tuller@c-69-143-49-212.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 12d 13h 5m 57s ago, saying: 'to not stand in crap is generally a good rule to live by'. |
| 03:33.37 | Kraps | ~karma Kraps |
| 03:33.37 | purl | kraps has karma of 3 |
| 03:34.40 | Trela | That sucks about AVR. D: |
| 03:35.15 | Xinhuan | that change will break GatherHud lol |
| 03:36.24 | Arrowmaster | guessing it will also break that one guys flighthud |
| 03:36.34 | Xinhuan | yep |
| 03:37.50 | Kraps | the hell is the point of that? |
| 03:38.01 | Arrowmaster | i thought GatherHud used the character facing but not the camera angles? or did it get changed? |
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| 03:39.07 | ZorbaBeta | anyone wanna try out the final test of my latest game? see if you can crash it |
| 03:39.33 | Cloudwolf | game? |
| 03:39.34 | ZorbaBeta | http://cams.pavlovian.net/games/K0R-0.6.exe (or .zip, your call) |
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| 03:39.42 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I write games. |
| 03:39.49 | Arrowmaster | busy trying to figure out why the hell my gamepad is showing as calibrated but not working right in a game |
| 03:40.28 | ZorbaBeta | someday I might even sell one :D |
| 03:41.09 | Trela | Oh my! :O |
| 03:42.14 | Jerub | http://damncoolpics.blogspot.com/2010/05/some-humor-from-bill-gates-and-steve.html |
| 03:43.18 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a324ykKV-7Y |
| 03:44.43 | Jamash | AWW YEAH PC SPEAKER BLEEPS |
| 03:46.03 | Kraps | ZorbaBeta: heh |
| 03:46.46 | ZorbaBeta | jamash, sadly I could not find better sound effects on short notice, so I had to make 'em myself |
| 03:47.05 | Kraps | kinda hard to avoid the bombs/enemies in the last grappling part |
| 03:47.07 | Jamash | I was talking about the monkey island video |
| 03:48.05 | sylvanaar | what does clamped to screen do again? keep a frame inside the screen bounds? |
| 03:48.10 | Shadowed | yes |
| 03:48.12 | Kraps | ZorbaBeta |
| 03:49.04 | ZorbaBeta | jamash, pfft |
| 03:49.14 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, yeah, it's not meant to be a super-easy game. it's doable. :) |
| 03:51.31 | Arrowmaster | yes, my gamepad isnt pulling to the extreme left anymore |
| 03:51.54 | Arrowmaster | no clue what the fuck i did to fix it since i swear everything i just did ive already done |
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| 03:53.35 | kd3 | ok, I give up |
| 03:53.36 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/05/20/the-overachiever-pure-win/comments/28074296/ |
| 03:53.41 | kd3 | it's not worth fighting this |
| 03:56.03 | Wobin | http://www.toplessrobot.com/2010/05/this_is_whats_taking_heroes_place.php |
| 03:56.05 | Wobin | hum |
| 03:56.11 | Wobin | bonus points for Summer Glau |
| 03:56.20 | Wobin | and using Miserere in the music |
| 03:56.48 | Wobin | oh and Verne Troyer with a wrench |
| 03:57.13 | Wobin | oh wait that's not Verne, my mistake =P |
| 03:58.15 | Wobin | Vinne Jones getting slammed in the kneecaps with a pipewrench wielded by a little guy |
| 03:59.00 | Jerub | *tries to run zorbas game under wine* |
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| 03:59.54 | Jamash | when you mentioned Summer Glau I was hoping that they were actually making http://xkcd.com/311/ |
| 04:00.23 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: it crashes |
| 04:00.52 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, doesn't surprise me. I've got a linux build but you need glibc 2.11 right now |
| 04:01.01 | ZorbaBeta | http://cams.pavlovian.net/games/K0R-0.6-4-gcf673ba.tgz if you want to try it |
| 04:01.12 | Kraps | Wobin: did you think "Assassin's Creed" when you saw the front image? |
| 04:01.32 | Wobin | Kraps, yeah =) |
| 04:02.04 | Kraps | what happened that made heroes so bad? |
| 04:02.38 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: dump snet |
| 04:02.46 | Jerub | (i have glibc 2.11.1, fwiw) |
| 04:02.58 | Jerub | also, i love this word: appendinating |
| 04:03.03 | ZorbaBeta | cool, thanks |
| 04:03.17 | Kraps | Summer Glau not acting like a robot/insane person, i'd like to see |
| 04:03.19 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, that's odd |
| 04:03.29 | ZorbaBeta | does data/flyby_small.ogg exist in your installation? |
| 04:03.38 | Jerub | ./data/flyby_small.ogg |
| 04:03.55 | ZorbaBeta | huh. |
| 04:07.51 | Jerub | http://dpaste.com/197310/ |
| 04:08.20 | Jerub | (strace of the syscalls around that event) |
| 04:09.43 | sylvanaar | wow, they inset the chatframe in onload.... |
| 04:11.12 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: why do you need glibc 2.11? |
| 04:11.39 | ZorbaBeta | arrowmaster, because it's built on a linux box with glibc 2.11 |
| 04:11.55 | Arrowmaster | no source? |
| 04:12.04 | ZorbaBeta | trust me, you don't want to try building it. :P |
| 04:12.20 | ZorbaBeta | but also, it's a framework that's intended for commercial games |
| 04:12.39 | ZorbaBeta | I may not care a lot about source on this game, but partly I'm using this as a test for future appliactions, and the ability to be closed-source as necessary is important. |
| 04:13.00 | Arrowmaster | then you shouldnt rely on the user having a specific version of glibc |
| 04:13.06 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: is that information useful for you? anything else you need? I can post the full strace to you if you want |
| 04:13.09 | Arrowmaster | hell i dont even have glibc |
| 04:13.19 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, how do I avoid relying on it? |
| 04:13.51 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, odd |
| 04:14.02 | ZorbaBeta | it *did* manage to open a file, why didn't it read the data? |
| 04:14.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont know but ive never had stuff rely on a newer version of glibc |
| 04:14.26 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, how many closed-source binaries have you run? |
| 04:14.35 | ZorbaBeta | and, honestly, I imagine they already did the work to avoid it |
| 04:14.41 | Arrowmaster | ive got world of goo |
| 04:14.43 | ZorbaBeta | it basically comes down to "build it on an old linux distribution" |
| 04:14.56 | Dagmar | You should never rely on the user having a specific version of glibc. Higher than 2.6.x maybe, but not a specific version |
| 04:14.57 | Arrowmaster | old? |
| 04:14.58 | ZorbaBeta | only I ran into X bugs on ubuntu 8.04 and gave up for a while. |
| 04:15.07 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, sure, but that's not trivial. |
| 04:15.10 | Arrowmaster | what distros are using glibc 2.11? |
| 04:15.22 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, ubuntu 10.04 and fedora 12 are. |
| 04:15.28 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: i get 4 lines that look like this: [113f 6.132s Sound.cpp: 49] SSLA 0, 0 |
| 04:15.38 | Jerub | they're /after/ .ogg is opened and /before/ : |
| 04:15.41 | Jerub | [113f 6.134s core.cpp:1070] Cannot find sound effect flyby_small |
| 04:15.47 | Arrowmaster | debian unstable has 2.10, 2.11 is in experimental |
| 04:16.09 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, but that's debian |
| 04:16.39 | ZorbaBeta | if human technology were run by the debian admins, fire would be in unstable and the wheel would be experimental. |
| 04:16.42 | Dagmar | Insane-o early adopters (like Gentoo) are using 2.11 |
| 04:16.51 | Shirik | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10130346.stm |
| 04:16.55 | Shirik | ^ full of awesome and win |
| 04:16.56 | Jerub | i'm running fedora 12, it's got 2.11 |
| 04:17.00 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, as I said, ubuntu 10.04 and fedora 12 are 2.11. |
| 04:17.10 | Arrowmaster | debian unstable is usually fairly cutting edge |
| 04:17.15 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: Well, LTS has a good reason to jump early |
| 04:17.17 | Jerub | Shirik: yes, saw that |
| 04:17.44 | Wobin | Shirik, yeah, I'm going to find out where that ninja school is |
| 04:17.48 | Wobin | so if I'm ever followed |
| 04:17.51 | Wobin | I know where to go =P |
| 04:17.58 | Jerub | Wobin: only works on training nights. |
| 04:18.02 | Dagmar | They intend to maintain that until what, like 2013... so the fewer potentially-requiring-us-to-recompile-goddamn-everything glibc upgrades the better |
| 04:18.11 | Wobin | Ninja never sleep! |
| 04:18.12 | Jerub | Wobin: for all you know on saturday's it's full of old ladies playing bridge. |
| 04:18.12 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, true |
| 04:18.20 | ZorbaBeta | nevertheless, that's why I haven't gotten it working properly yet. |
| 04:18.37 | Arrowmaster | debian lenny has 2.7 it looks like |
| 04:18.43 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, gimme a sec, I just finished solving a different bug. I'll look at that one now |
| 04:19.43 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, are they all 0, 0? |
| 04:19.53 | Jerub | no, the second one is 1, 0 |
| 04:19.59 | Arrowmaster | ./k0r: /lib32/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by ./k0r) |
| 04:20.05 | Arrowmaster | if you give me a version i can run ill try it |
| 04:20.22 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: fedoraproject.net |
| 04:20.29 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, ain't gonna happen, sorry. I'll work on it again later, but that'll be for my next game. |
| 04:20.33 | ZorbaBeta | maybe the one after that. |
| 04:20.53 | ZorbaBeta | unless you can provide me with a commandline to relax glibc requirements :P |
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| 04:23.11 | Jerub | Shirik: reminds me of one of the senseis of my karate club who was jumped in the park by an idiot who claimed he knew kung fu. |
| 04:23.23 | Jerub | (he was carrying the cashbox, so actually a valid target) |
| 04:23.55 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: compiling with gcc? |
| 04:24.05 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, hrm. it's not finding your sound - do you have a working sound card? |
| 04:24.10 | ZorbaBeta | (that said it should be failing better than that anyway) |
| 04:24.12 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, yeah |
| 04:24.45 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: i'm listening to music on my machine at the moment. |
| 04:24.57 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: does your thing support pulseaudio ? |
| 04:25.00 | ZorbaBeta | out of curiosity, what happens if you stop the music and try to run the game again? :D |
| 04:25.03 | ZorbaBeta | I have no bloody clue |
| 04:25.05 | ZorbaBeta | I'm using fmodex |
| 04:25.15 | ZorbaBeta | it supports whatever fmodex supports. I'll probably be dumping fmodex in the future. |
| 04:26.21 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: okay, i stopped my sound, and killed pulseaudio's daemon, and it still don't work |
| 04:26.28 | ZorbaBeta | righto |
| 04:26.40 | ZorbaBeta | hold on, I'm rebooting my VM with no sound card and I'm gonna try to get it at least working soundless |
| 04:29.35 | ZorbaBeta | ugh got to fix some issues first. this may take a bit :P |
| 04:29.48 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: no big deal, just trying to help you out ;) |
| 04:30.39 | ZorbaBeta | it's appreciated, you're finding some nice bugs :) |
| 04:32.57 | Jamash | You might want to look into the Linux Standard Base, ZorbaBeta |
| 04:33.23 | Jamash | it's supposed to be a standard to allow the same binary to run on multiple distros |
| 04:34.18 | ZorbaBeta | mostly I think it's the glibc issue |
| 04:36.38 | ZorbaBeta | aha, forgot to pull in part of my linux development branch |
| 04:37.27 | Arrowmaster | whats the other command for checking what a file is linked to? not ldd |
| 04:39.43 | ZorbaBeta | ldd's the only one I can think of offhand |
| 04:41.36 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, http://cams.pavlovian.net/games/K0R-0.7.tgz if you would :) |
| 04:41.48 | ZorbaBeta | I think you'll end up with no sound, but you'll be able to play otherwise, assuming everything went right |
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| 04:46.14 | Dagmar | Jamash: LSB will not solve the problem |
| 04:46.27 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: readelf |
| 04:47.10 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, tell that to arrowmaster ;) |
| 04:47.39 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: i see you found the one on stackoverflow that suggested installing debian stable in a VM |
| 04:47.49 | Dagmar | `readelf -d binaryname` will show early in the list which sonames are actually being called for, where ldd shows you a nicer interface but *also* all the libraries those libraries in turn call for (which isn't always that useful) |
| 04:48.04 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, quite likely, yeah, I did some hunting around on stackoverflow |
| 04:48.16 | ZorbaBeta | I ended up trying ubuntu 8.04 and ran into X bugs, as I mentioned. |
| 04:48.21 | ZorbaBeta | (at least, I think they're X bugs) |
| 04:48.33 | Dagmar | I guess you can even grep for "NEEDED" but it's not something I've ever really worried about too much |
| 04:48.37 | Arrowmaster | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Glibc2-HOWTO-6.html |
| 04:48.59 | Arrowmaster | that talks about having a 2nd version of glibc and compiling against it |
| 04:49.07 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: okay, it starts now |
| 04:49.11 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: i'll playtest later |
| 04:49.11 | Dagmar | It should also have a lot more warnings in it |
| 04:49.15 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that was a little worrying. but it might be something I have to try |
| 04:49.25 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: there's K0R instead of k0r nowtoo |
| 04:49.25 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, alright, thanks :) /msg me what you think of it, I'll get it |
| 04:49.42 | ZorbaBeta | yeah I changed the format of the directory it creates |
| 04:49.43 | ZorbaBeta | I forget why |
| 04:49.51 | ZorbaBeta | it was in that chunk of changes I'd forgotten to push ;) |
| 04:50.33 | Antiarc | Is the doc on GetInstanceDifficulty() out of date? |
| 04:50.38 | Antiarc | I'm in a 10 man heroic but it's returning 1 |
| 04:53.11 | Jerub | http://i.imgur.com/VGWh3.jpg |
| 04:55.24 | Bruners | good one |
| 04:55.26 | Trela | S.S.? |
| 04:55.54 | Bruners | schutzstaffel |
| 04:56.12 | Bruners | nazi germany etc |
| 04:56.33 | Trela | Ah. |
| 04:56.40 | Bruners | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel |
| 04:57.12 | Bruners | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS |
| 04:57.25 | Thunder_Child | lol indeed |
| 04:59.03 | Jerub | http://youropenbook.org/?q=deleted+wow+account&x=0&y=0&gender=any |
| 05:01.09 | Dagmar | Oh hell yes, tales of misery and woe! |
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| 05:08.29 | Dagmar | Shucks. Not as much misery and woe as I'd anticipated |
| 05:08.46 | Jerub | http://youropenbook.org/?q=tauren+druid&x=0&y=0&gender=any |
| 05:08.51 | Jerub | i love this thing so uch |
| 05:09.05 | Jerub | omgprofilepic http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1559563920&v=wall |
| 05:10.03 | Jamash | http://youropenbook.org/?q=worgen+female&x=0&y=0&gender=any |
| 05:11.51 | Jamash | Eliot Lefebvre "I am concerned that thinking the previewed female worgen models are hot makes me a furry. " |
| 05:12.45 | Wobin | yes |
| 05:12.50 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: http://www.trevorpounds.com/blog/?p=103 |
| 05:12.52 | Wobin | that's a distinct possiblity |
| 05:13.39 | Jerub | in other news, thinking that the human male model updates look good means you're a homosexual. |
| 05:13.46 | Dagmar | He should be concerned. |
| 05:13.58 | Dagmar | ...because it does make him a furry. |
| 05:14.09 | ZorbaBeta | oh interesting |
| 05:14.33 | Wobin | lets not talk about those who find the gnome model sexy |
| 05:14.46 | Jamash | what human model updates? |
| 05:14.58 | Jamash | also, Jerub, there's a difference between "good" and "hot" |
| 05:15.23 | Jerub | Jamash: okay, you're a gay furry, we get it, i'm not judging you. |
| 05:15.35 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: if you try that out and link it to 2.10 or less and it still works on your system ill test it on mine |
| 05:15.48 | Jamash | Jerub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6LZt6-xDLU |
| 05:15.56 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, lemme muck with this. I'm just putting together some food so it'll be a few |
| 05:17.05 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: seems like its some muckery with the ELF headers/flags whatever |
| 05:17.18 | Jerub | Jamash: sorry, can't watch furry movies at work. ;) |
| 05:17.28 | Jamash | it's not furry, it's about gay robots |
| 05:20.12 | Kraps | http://www.massively.com/2010/05/20/sony-online-entertainment-introduces-25-mount/ |
| 05:21.01 | Dagmar | HAHAHA |
| 05:21.34 | Jamash | Sony Executive: "They're selling WHAT for $25? GET ON THIS IMMEJIATELY!" |
| 05:21.38 | Dagmar | ...and of course in the fine tradition of Sony, their mount does give a combat advantage over people who can't afford a $25 tiger |
| 05:21.56 | Jamash | yep |
| 05:22.18 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 05:22.33 | Jamash | hm, so $25 a pop times number of people who play everquest 2 equals... $25 |
| 05:22.47 | Wobin | they'll make a killing! |
| 05:24.05 | Corrodias | that's more than they made on the PSP Go |
| 05:26.18 | kd3 | wonders how many times his uplink will drop tonight while he's asleep |
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| 05:30.12 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, bah, not ideal. if the symbol doesn't exist in glibc2.0 then there doesn't seem to be an easy way to figure out when it does show up |
| 05:30.29 | Arrowmaster | 2.7 |
| 05:30.56 | ZorbaBeta | nope |
| 05:31.32 | ZorbaBeta | and, more to the point, if it doesn't exist and my program never explicitly calls it, but it's wrapped up in some new glibc2.11 macro, there's not a lot I can do about it |
| 05:31.49 | ZorbaBeta | I think I'm stuck with either installing an old glibc or using an old distro |
| 05:35.51 | Arrowmaster | i would say compile 2.7 from source but install it somewhere else so it doesnt interfere with your distro installed one and do what this is talking about http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Glibc2-HOWTO-6.html |
| 05:37.41 | Jamash | you should be aware that that howto is from 1998 |
| 05:38.20 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not really excited about compiling 2.7 from source, I've tried very hard to avoid adding any non-standard dependencies to my build system |
| 05:38.38 | ZorbaBeta | I'd rather get it building on an old OS, if it wasn't for the bugs. maybe I'll figure out a way to fix that. |
| 05:40.47 | Arrowmaster | i would suggest debian stable as your build target then, if its built on that it should run on others unless there is major differences, that or start statically compiling |
| 05:41.25 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I'll give it a shot. Probably next game, though. |
| 05:41.56 | Arrowmaster | can you do a static build and see how much of a size difference it is? |
| 05:42.03 | ZorbaBeta | how? :) |
| 05:42.32 | ZorbaBeta | aha, -static |
| 05:42.34 | ZorbaBeta | gimme a few minutes |
| 05:44.08 | Arrowmaster | theres gota be more info out there on creating linux binaries to run on all distros since the few commercial games out there seem to all work that way |
| 05:44.14 | ZorbaBeta | doing a full clean build takes a bit. :) |
| 05:44.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah i bet it does |
| 05:44.43 | ZorbaBeta | linux is really inimical towards closed-source. it wouldn't surprise me at all if there's no info, simply because the people solving the problem are just glad to be done with it |
| 05:45.07 | Jamash | http://autopackage.org/apbuild-apgcc.php heyoooooo |
| 05:45.38 | ZorbaBeta | hey, nice |
| 05:45.55 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: i would use mock for creating rpms. |
| 05:46.00 | Jerub | but that's me ;) |
| 05:46.19 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: yeah i found that too |
| 05:46.49 | ZorbaBeta | there's a similar thing called checkinstall that apparently works on deb as well |
| 05:46.49 | Arrowmaster | if you create rpms then you have to create debs that actually work on debian |
| 05:46.58 | ZorbaBeta | that's what I was planning to do, once I got that far |
| 05:47.00 | Arrowmaster | checkinstall is evil |
| 05:47.39 | ZorbaBeta | hmmm. do you know if there's a way to exclude something from -static? |
| 05:47.49 | Arrowmaster | i dont really know |
| 05:48.17 | Arrowmaster | im not a C programmer so ive never really used gcc other than the few times ive compiled Lua from source |
| 05:49.06 | Wobin | rofl |
| 05:49.19 | ZorbaBeta | well, fmodex is distributed as an .so, and I can't get rid of it right now |
| 05:49.20 | Wobin | my gs on wtfismygearscore finally gets the 'win' badge =P |
| 05:49.41 | ZorbaBeta | so unless I can exclude it from -static, -static will refuse to link. |
| 05:52.25 | Arrowmaster | wow expensive library |
| 05:52.54 | ZorbaBeta | it's free as long as you're not planning on selling anything, and it was convenient |
| 05:52.59 | ZorbaBeta | I'm planning on dumping it, but, time. |
| 05:53.34 | Arrowmaster | oh really? http://www.torquepowered.com/products/fmod |
| 05:53.39 | Arrowmaster | i dont see anything about free on there |
| 05:54.15 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.fmod.org/index.php/sales/details/non-commercial |
| 05:55.43 | Wobin | that's pretty cool |
| 05:56.02 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, the idea is to get you using it and then make it easier to pay the money than to switch to something else :) |
| 05:56.10 | Wobin | good marketing module |
| 05:56.11 | ZorbaBeta | but it's been enough headaches that I'd rather switch to something else anyway |
| 05:56.27 | Wobin | only issue I can see is policing the policy =) |
| 05:56.44 | ZorbaBeta | well, it's only distributed in shared object form |
| 05:56.55 | ZorbaBeta | easy enough to just browse new releases to see if it's being used, then see if they paid for it |
| 06:01.31 | ZorbaBeta | well, autopackage didn't take long to break. |
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| 06:09.17 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: Autopackage is far from what it's cracked up to be |
| 06:09.45 | Dagmar | ...although in the interests of saying something nice about them, they *did* take that format as far as it can reasonably be expected to go. |
| 06:10.10 | ZorbaBeta | I was mostly just hoping it'd be able to build a copy of my program that didn't rely on glibc 2.11 |
| 06:10.28 | Dagmar | Well, you could remove all the C library calls. :) |
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| 06:10.37 | Arrowmaster | sounds like somebody is talking from experience, quick tie him up stuff im in your closet and make him help you with all this |
| 06:10.39 | ZorbaBeta | this is not exactly helpful :P |
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| 06:11.10 | Jamash | just include your entire linux distro in the zip file |
| 06:11.12 | Dagmar | Beyong that you can try to look closely at the strucs and headers that are coming into play there at compile time and go compare them against the structs and headers of older versions |
| 06:11.40 | Dagmar | If they're all the same you can then do some linking magic (that honestly I've forgotten entirely how to do) that will make the library link much more loosely against glibc |
| 06:11.53 | Dagmar | ...and then just tell people "YMMV" |
| 06:11.59 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i found http://www.trevorpounds.com/blog/?p=103 but he said it didnt work |
| 06:12.48 | ZorbaBeta | one of the roadblocks appears to be a longjmp function that didn't exist before 2.11 |
| 06:12.53 | ZorbaBeta | not a lot I can do about that |
| 06:13.10 | Jamash | port it to pygame |
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| 06:13.31 | ZorbaBeta | I'm assuming it's added in some #define magic, or, alternatively, it simply wouldn't be used if I were targeting an earlier glibc |
| 06:13.43 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: Ouch, yeah that would be a showstopper |
| 06:14.13 | Dagmar | You *could* also just go grab an older distro and compile against that |
| 06:14.24 | Dagmar | Ugly, but less brain draining |
| 06:14.26 | ZorbaBeta | Well, that's the thing I'm going to try again |
| 06:14.35 | ZorbaBeta | however, ubuntu 8.04 doesn't run it, thanks to what seems to be a bug in X |
| 06:14.47 | ZorbaBeta | last time I tried, that's where I stopped and went fuck-linux for a while. |
| 06:15.13 | Dagmar | Okay well at least you can rule out Ubuntu 8 users and anything with that X bug still in it then |
| 06:15.21 | Dagmar | I wouldn't really worry about anything but 9 and 10 anyway |
| 06:15.41 | Dagmar | LTS or not, *someone* has to give people impetus to update their stuff if they want the shiny-shiny |
| 06:16.07 | Dagmar | There were people who actually wanted us to compile Gnome for Slackware-current as well as the previous four releases |
| 06:16.29 | Dagmar | We were like, "No. Upgrade some stuff, man!" |
| 06:16.43 | airtonix | lol |
| 06:16.46 | Torhal | TinyMUSH still actually can be compiled on a VAX |
| 06:16.58 | Jamash | O_o |
| 06:17.00 | Dagmar | If I can *fly to your house* and upgrade your machihne and install the latest stuff *faster* than I could build against that many versions and test against that many versions, hah |
| 06:17.02 | Torhal | If that isn't sick, I don't know what is |
| 06:17.12 | Arrowmaster | my view is that if anything you use is older than whats available in debian stable, you need to fucking upgrade |
| 06:17.18 | airtonix | ^ |
| 06:17.26 | Dagmar | I'm with Arrowmaster 100% |
| 06:17.55 | Arrowmaster | btw not long ago ubuntu had an older version of git than debian stable |
| 06:18.07 | airtonix | Hi i'm that annoying guy who walks into your compute store and complains that the usb wifi device doesn't work with my amstrad z80 |
| 06:18.15 | Dagmar | Some people want to argue that never updating their systems gives them stability. |
| 06:18.30 | Jamash | unplugging your computer gives you even greater stability |
| 06:18.35 | Dagmar | I prefer to remind them that if they're the administrator, it's their *job* to go ahead and test new things and keep up to date |
| 06:18.52 | Arrowmaster | if you want stability use debian stable |
| 06:19.10 | Arrowmaster | and when a new stable release comes out, UPGRADE TO IT |
| 06:19.11 | ZorbaBeta | goddamn, where do I find an ISO for Debian |
| 06:19.22 | Dagmar | Yeah debian stable and slackware share a lot of the same "It never broke so we ain't messing with it" pragmas in that way |
| 06:19.23 | airtonix | in a bottle |
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| 06:19.55 | Jamash | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 06:19.59 | Dagmar | The sad thing is that like the worst cases you'll see will be people running AIX from six years ago and haven't even installed a single patch |
| 06:20.00 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: http://www.debian.org/CD/ which is linked from debian.org with the text "CD ISO images" |
| 06:20.14 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, there we go, found it |
| 06:20.21 | ZorbaBeta | ended up in some backwater of debian documentation somehow |
| 06:20.41 | Dagmar | ...which means that any vulnerability report written will take the poor itsec consultant three weeks to document the history of every patch they didnt' install |
| 06:20.50 | Dagmar | Not funny. |
| 06:20.52 | Arrowmaster | you wont believe how many people came into #debian asking questions about upgrading from etch to lenny when security updates for etch were finally discontinued |
| 06:21.18 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: At a guess I'd say most of them probably felt lucky to get it running the first time |
| 06:21.28 | Dagmar | There are a LOT of zombie systems out there |
| 06:21.44 | Dagmar | No one at the helm, just running by virtue of they've never fallen over yet |
| 06:22.15 | airtonix | waiting for 2012 |
| 06:22.20 | airtonix | and skynet |
| 06:22.22 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 06:22.34 | Dagmar | When we hit epoch rollover it should be a _real_ hoot |
| 06:22.56 | airtonix | dagmar, remember i asked you about reconstructor.org ? |
| 06:23.05 | Dagmar | No, but if you hum a few bars... |
| 06:23.20 | Dagmar | Oh.. Yes now I rememebr |
| 06:23.21 | airtonix | online build server for creating custom live/install cds |
| 06:23.32 | airtonix | its cute but |
| 06:23.35 | Dagmar | (after I looked it up again) |
| 06:23.53 | airtonix | and also suse now have somthing similar for their own distro |
| 06:24.03 | Dagmar | It's cute but... you'd feel better with just a shortlist of the packages you'd want to write your name in? |
| 06:24.10 | Dagmar | It's not hard |
| 06:24.15 | airtonix | but still... when you have 100+ computers that you need to isntall on |
| 06:24.31 | Dagmar | At one point I sat down and tried to round up all the dropline mods into one package, but that fell flat when I realized some of the mods were baked into the binaries |
| 06:24.53 | Dagmar | I figured it would be easier for saxa to do themes if the bits were all in one place |
| 06:24.59 | airtonix | well im trying to show my college teacher the linux equiv of nlite for windows |
| 06:25.22 | Dagmar | That would be um.... tricky |
| 06:25.30 | Dagmar | They don't compare well |
| 06:25.36 | airtonix | closest i came to was remastersys |
| 06:25.38 | Arrowmaster | thats easy |
| 06:25.40 | Arrowmaster | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 06:25.42 | Dagmar | Like showing someone the Mack Truck of Geo |
| 06:25.53 | Dagmar | The Unix versions of that are heavyweight |
| 06:26.01 | airtonix | Arrowmaster, thats ok when you have 1) a network and 2) access to internet |
| 06:26.08 | Dagmar | RedHat's Kickstart and Anaconda, for one |
| 06:26.13 | airtonix | yeah kickstart |
| 06:26.36 | Arrowmaster | i can install a system on a 200mb hard drive using the full debian dvd |
| 06:26.37 | Dagmar | Slackware has package tagsets |
| 06:26.58 | Arrowmaster | debian has tasks |
| 06:27.29 | airtonix | well say you had a team of monkeys in your tech dept that you could just hand this pre-seeded dvd that they would use to image new machines they get |
| 06:27.34 | Dagmar | ...but afaik Redhat's Kickstart/Anaconda is the most feature-replete of them because they were lookign to clone Solaris' JumpStart |
| 06:27.49 | Dagmar | You could do that with Ghost4Unix |
| 06:28.02 | Arrowmaster | oh and now debian even has aliases http://www.enricozini.org/2010/debian/new-axi-plugins/ |
| 06:28.07 | airtonix | sure but doesnt that assume identical hardware ? |
| 06:28.09 | Dagmar | The tricky bit is dealing with formatting the disks if they are not all the same |
| 06:28.18 | Dagmar | That's where Kickstart/Anaconda have the missing pieces |
| 06:28.30 | airtonix | does kickstart output an iso ? |
| 06:28.57 | Dagmar | You literally define a profile of a machine in a text file, dictating how you want the partitions laid out, and then which packages you want installed, and then optional scripts to create teh users, etc |
| 06:29.07 | Dagmar | It doesn't make one on it's own but you can |
| 06:29.16 | airtonix | so it still needs to grab thos packages from a repo then ? |
| 06:29.26 | Dagmar | There's no reason the repo can't be on the install CD |
| 06:29.31 | airtonix | ok |
| 06:29.33 | Dagmar | It's just easier with a network repo |
| 06:29.39 | airtonix | yeah |
| 06:29.50 | Dagmar | Installing that way is a whole 'nother level of complex |
| 06:29.55 | Arrowmaster | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apb.html.en |
| 06:30.02 | Dagmar | (not network stuff, just the whole profile and kickstart thing) |
| 06:30.10 | Arrowmaster | preseeding a machine using dhcp and netboot |
| 06:30.21 | airtonix | but it would be awesome if you could package dvd/cds for people to take offsite to install where they might not have access to the repo |
| 06:30.36 | airtonix | i liked aptoncd for that reason |
| 06:31.32 | Dagmar | If you can teach them how to partition a disk, installing the packages bit is EASY |
| 06:31.48 | Arrowmaster | nods |
| 06:31.55 | Dagmar | ...or just send 'em out with a full install CD with a custom inventory and tell them to let it use the whole disk |
| 06:31.57 | airtonix | would be cheaper if i didnt have to |
| 06:32.48 | Jamash | in order to partition a hard disk, you need 1. A hard disk, and 2. A rotary saw of at least... |
| 06:33.40 | Dagmar | At least working in your favor is that IF you're sending out a custom image, you can for sure know how much space the system will need, and then you only have to worry about making a shell script that can create the partitions you want and to fill the rest with /home |
| 06:33.55 | Dagmar | They either should have enough disk for that or they don't |
| 06:34.33 | Dagmar | A shell script can easily just walk a list of packages, in order, installing them to your local disk mounted in /mnt |
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| 06:34.48 | Arrowmaster | seriously thats the hard way |
| 06:35.00 | Dagmar | It's *quick* tho |
| 06:35.27 | Dagmar | You *should* know what packages are going to go onto the system, and what order they should be installed in (if it even matters) |
| 06:35.27 | Arrowmaster | debian preeseeding is just a text file that the installer uses to answer its questions automatically |
| 06:35.49 | Dagmar | See again, this is the difference between that and slackware |
| 06:35.51 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSNYTHEv0Ls&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 06:36.10 | Dagmar | It's installer isn't all that fancy to begin with, so a list of packages and a shell script isn't really that much harder. heh |
| 06:36.26 | Dagmar | I kinda do it a lot |
| 06:37.16 | Dagmar | my main devel desktop has 23 partitions on it and generally when testing new builds I'd pick a set of partitions, wipe them, run a script to clone my base install in there, then install the dropilne packages, tinker lilo.conf a little, run it, cross fingers, adn reboot |
| 06:37.17 | airtonix | both reconstructor.org let you upload and include a script to run after install and they both let you include packages but neither of them let you decide how to partition the drive like kickstart does |
| 06:37.43 | airtonix | you know grub2 lets you boot straight from an iso now ? |
| 06:37.54 | Dagmar | airtonix: I think that's because there's not really a good way to do that unless you assume something about disk hardware |
| 06:38.08 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 06:38.27 | Dagmar | Until lilo breaks I'm sticking with it tho |
| 06:38.40 | Dagmar | It let me dual-boot NT when people were swearing up and down it was hard |
| 06:38.45 | Arrowmaster | when did they add that to grub2? i know grub4dos has done it for a long time |
| 06:39.09 | airtonix | not sure i only found out about it last week.. might have been there for a while |
| 06:39.26 | Dagmar | grub is still a little too abstracted for me |
| 06:39.30 | Arrowmaster | i was looking at it sometime last year i think |
| 06:39.45 | Arrowmaster | i was wanting to boot iso directly from my thumb drive |
| 06:41.02 | airtonix | fun stuff |
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| 06:45.42 | Dagmar | The one saving grace is that it's gotten a lot easier over the years to get that initial "for installing stuff" boot environment up and running |
| 06:46.06 | Dagmar | Everything after that is basically a big filecopy operation |
| 06:46.31 | Arrowmaster | what do you mean? that big filecopy operation is the majority of installing debian |
| 06:47.21 | Arrowmaster | and its done using one command |
| 06:48.16 | Dagmar | I mean it *used* to be a big pain in the ass to get a functional environment to boot off alien media like a CD |
| 06:48.42 | Dagmar | You *used* to be limited to whatever things you could squeeze into a rootdisk in RAM |
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| 06:48.54 | Arrowmaster | ive seriously reinstalled a system before without booting from any external device |
| 06:49.12 | Dagmar | I did just mention I kinda pour my Slackware installs back and forth like so much colored sand |
| 06:49.20 | ZorbaBeta | I've installed a few systems off TFTP, which was rather awesome |
| 06:49.38 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: You're ready to try Solaris' JumpStart then. |
| 06:49.40 | Dagmar | That'll cure it. |
| 06:49.55 | Arrowmaster | no this was a completely reinstall formatting the entire disk without booting from any external device or TFTP |
| 06:50.28 | Dagmar | Yes, you move the important stuff into a ram disk, unmount the local disk, go to town on it, remount |
| 06:50.36 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 06:50.44 | Jamash | he did it /with his mind/ |
| 06:50.49 | Arrowmaster | i ran the installer |
| 06:50.50 | Dagmar | With my fingers |
| 06:50.53 | Dagmar | I've done it a few times |
| 06:51.02 | Dagmar | That was when I decided I needed to make some more freaking partitions |
| 06:51.25 | Arrowmaster | loaded the installer from the harddrive using grub then reformated the entire harddrive from inside the installer |
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| 06:51.58 | Amarande | soo ... I was a mediocre warlock, but am a pretty good DK |
| 06:52.00 | Dagmar | So it did those things for you |
| 06:52.07 | Amarande | I just saved a wipe in grand style again tonight |
| 06:52.27 | krka | i save wipes every day in the privacy of my own bathroom! |
| 06:53.12 | Dagmar | Amarande: You need to play a hunter. :) |
| 06:54.01 | Amarande | I have a hunter. Still level 62. |
| 06:54.54 | Dagmar | Go BM and focus on pet heal and pet tanking talents |
| 06:55.15 | Dagmar | You can tank with the pet |
| 06:55.20 | Amarande | Heh, they should make a boss whose enrage consists of unrolling a roll of toilet paper through the raid that kills it :) |
| 06:55.37 | Dagmar | wow that would be hilarious |
| 06:55.43 | Jamash | ... |
| 06:57.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: well there WAS that bit in Ultima VII where you could paralyze people with dirty diapers :) |
| 06:57.29 | Jamash | ... |
| 06:57.39 | Dagmar | I don't think I remember that |
| 06:57.40 | Amarande | Jamash: I am not making this up :D |
| 06:57.55 | Jamash | I don't remember that part |
| 06:58.48 | Amarande | it was an easter egg, mainly |
| 07:01.08 | Dagmar | I don't doubt something like that would be in there |
| 07:01.10 | Dewin | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1668 is win. |
| 07:01.26 | Dewin | also, hi channel that I lurk in far too often and barely ever talk in anymore. :-p |
| 07:01.45 | Wobin | Dewin, I agree! |
| 07:01.56 | Wobin | (it's awesome, and you should talk more) |
| 07:02.25 | Wobin | also, Sven plays WoW? |
| 07:02.30 | Wobin | where did that come up =\ |
| 07:03.13 | Dewin | That might be why it made more sense to change it? |
| 07:04.21 | Dewin | Wobin, you're probably the one who got me into QC, also. |
| 07:04.24 | Dewin | though you may not know. |
| 07:04.36 | Wobin | with a random link, eh? =) |
| 07:04.41 | Dewin | Probably. |
| 07:05.04 | Arrowmaster | i think it was Adys that kept linking it and got me into reading it |
| 07:05.17 | Wobin | well it's awesome =) |
| 07:05.18 | Adys | reading what? |
| 07:05.21 | Adys | oh, qc |
| 07:05.38 | Adys | its pretty nice for a story-based webcomic yeah |
| 07:06.36 | Dewin | it has a nice mix of story and nonstory. |
| 07:06.47 | Arrowmaster | oh fuck the latest is great |
| 07:08.00 | Wobin | ricockulous =P |
| 07:08.55 | Dewin | latest is great yes, but it was offtopic. The WoW-related one, however, was perfectly on-topic. :-p |
| 07:08.57 | Dewin | anyways, I sleep now. |
| 07:09.01 | Arrowmaster | i think QC and xkcd are the only webcomics in my google reader that im actually caught up on |
| 07:09.09 | Wobin | pft like we care about ontopic here =) |
| 07:09.20 | Torhal | Topical, perhaps |
| 07:09.29 | Arrowmaster | my lights just dimmed |
| 07:10.29 | Wobin | I'm caught up on LICD, Skin Horse, AGAHF, DeepFried and Wapsi Square |
| 07:10.53 | Wobin | I have a look at SomethingPositive also |
| 07:11.05 | Wobin | Wapsi Square is pretty awesome |
| 07:11.11 | Arrowmaster | none of those are in my google reader |
| 07:11.28 | Wobin | Deep Fried is great for every single possible comic backreference -ever- |
| 07:11.43 | Kraps | so castle is a good show? |
| 07:11.47 | Wobin | I like it |
| 07:11.51 | Arrowmaster | ive got old stuff like megatokyo, looking for group, and apple geeks that ive not been caught up on in years |
| 07:12.13 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: good is an understatement |
| 07:12.13 | Wobin | http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2008/04/07/weapon-brown-1/ |
| 07:12.25 | Wobin | ThreePanelSoul is a nice one |
| 07:12.36 | Wobin | but weapon brown is -really- gory |
| 07:12.39 | Wobin | and definitely nsfw |
| 07:12.41 | Kraps | Nathan Fillion helps eh? |
| 07:12.46 | Wobin | it's true |
| 07:13.45 | Wobin | http://www.agirlandherfed.com/ is good too |
| 07:13.57 | Arrowmaster | ive got berserk and claymore mangas for gore |
| 07:14.42 | Wobin | weapon brown basically takes every single comic ever written by humanity |
| 07:14.49 | Wobin | and sets them in a post apocolyptic world |
| 07:15.04 | Wobin | Weapon Brown, himself is basically Charlie Brown rebooted =P |
| 07:15.43 | Wobin | and he uses the original artists style for each character |
| 07:15.48 | Wobin | it's really well done |
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| 07:31.20 | Amarande | hmm, I think I have my strategy down for dealing with Eregos now |
| 07:31.43 | Amarande | (watch, next patch they'll put some blue drakes where I like to go during the glowie balls stage) |
| 07:32.26 | Amarande | try to get above him ... and when the glowie balls show up go straight up |
| 07:32.32 | Amarande | they never seem to go particularly far above him |
| 07:32.43 | NightHawkTheSane | or, you know, just don't be a retard. |
| 07:32.54 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not fucking rocket science, where the shit is? don't be in it! |
| 07:34.50 | Corrodias | that's how Aran worked too! get out of the fire! |
| 07:35.02 | Corrodias | no, that wasn't his name |
| 07:35.06 | Corrodias | shade... of... |
| 07:35.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: thats how everything in wow works. |
| 07:35.33 | NightHawkTheSane | if you can master "don't stand in shit" you can do most of the encounters in the game. |
| 07:35.35 | zenzio | no, Aran was "don't bloody move" |
| 07:35.43 | Corrodias | huh, that -is- his name. and if you don't know what i'm talking about, you've failed the fight. |
| 07:35.50 | Corrodias | in that one, when the fire comes up, you stay in it and -don't- move. |
| 07:35.53 | Adys | OH GOD WHAT AM I BECOMING someone please euthanise me. |
| 07:36.05 | Adys | I have both a MSDN page and a PHP doc page open next to each other on my browser |
| 07:36.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Corrodias: meh, variation on a theme, really, if you want to split hairs, there's also "stand in this shit" fights, but whatever |
| 07:36.21 | zenzio | Adys: hah, I was just writing a PHP comment... buy yours beat mine |
| 07:38.10 | Wobin | yeah, that's http://shadeofaranchant.ytmnd.com |
| 07:38.34 | Amarande | Night: except with Eregos, the shit is not as easy to tell the exact locations of, due to the 3D nature of the fight |
| 07:38.42 | zenzio | the chant was all right, but I still prefer "karacry" |
| 07:38.49 | Amarande | however, I know one place it's definitely *not*, and that's at max range above him |
| 07:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: only if you're retarded, and bad. you're dumb, it's easy. |
| 07:39.41 | Amarande | besides, it's oculus |
| 07:39.44 | Amarande | it's a scrappy instance anyway |
| 07:40.00 | haste | wrong! |
| 07:40.09 | haste | it's fffffffffuuuuuuculus |
| 07:40.19 | Wobin | god knows why people drop instance on entering |
| 07:40.24 | NightHawkTheSane | if by scrappy you mean trivial, and THEN nerfed to shit. |
| 07:40.27 | Wobin | it's one of the easiest instances now |
| 07:40.31 | haste | that I don't get Wobin |
| 07:40.45 | haste | "omg it's HoL, bye" |
| 07:40.51 | NightHawkTheSane | seriously, it was never actually hard, people are just whiny and bad |
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| 07:41.06 | haste | vehicles suck NightHawkTheSane |
| 07:41.09 | Amarande | although it was more fun this time than last time |
| 07:41.13 | Wobin | if I can heal a 22k just hit 80 tank through HoL.... |
| 07:41.20 | Amarande | I think Oculus is the sort of instance you probably have to do a few times before it gets fun |
| 07:41.24 | Amarande | because you need to get used to the mechanics |
| 07:41.37 | haste | Wobin: we've done it without a tank even |
| 07:41.57 | haste | but I'm running aroung in ICC gear + disc on my priest |
| 07:42.07 | NightHawkTheSane | haste: heh, a 22k hp fresh 80 is effectivly without a tank :) |
| 07:42.43 | Wobin | haste, HoL or Occ? |
| 07:42.53 | Wobin | Occ I can understand |
| 07:43.04 | haste | Wobin: HoL |
| 07:43.19 | NightHawkTheSane | the only tricky thing about hol sans-tank might be the first boss |
| 07:43.21 | Wobin | a fully zapped bronjheim can still mess up the dps |
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| 07:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | wanders off to sleep |
| 07:45.49 | Amarande | I'm still wondering how tanks these days manage to pull the first HoL boss and the whole group of adds on the corner platform without getting omgzerged |
| 07:46.27 | Wobin | http://twolumps.net/d/20100521.html |
| 07:46.27 | Amarande | back when I first did heroics, you were lucky to live if there was one or two extra adds, let alone an entire group, if he was charged at the time of pull |
| 07:46.27 | Wobin | Amarande, good dps |
| 07:46.27 | Wobin | and a good healer |
| 07:46.30 | Amarande | Wobin: we're talking like, when I first did heroics, under such circumstances the tank would have been wonked basically in one go |
| 07:46.36 | haste | and fucktons more hp |
| 07:46.42 | Wobin | if the dps don't go all out aoe right off the bat, the tank can build up a decent enough aggro ceiling |
| 07:46.56 | Wobin | Amarande, back in the day, 22k -was- good for H HoL |
| 07:46.56 | harl | hi |
| 07:47.17 | Wobin | I was a bit wary about this guy, but he held out well enough |
| 07:47.37 | Wobin | took a bit more healing than usual, but managed to hold aggro, so he worked out quite well |
| 07:47.41 | Amarande | Wobin: either they've made tanks generate even more threat lately, or dps must be all bads |
| 07:47.47 | Wobin | the former |
| 07:47.50 | Amarande | because it's been quite a while since I've seen anyone have to worry about pulling aggro |
| 07:47.53 | Amarande | at 80, anyway |
| 07:48.01 | Amarande | it happens regularly at lower levels, sadly for mages everywhere |
| 07:48.04 | Wobin | and ICC dps can easily pull aggro off new 80s |
| 07:48.11 | Wobin | especially on aoe |
| 07:48.34 | Amarande | although that could be because usually when we get a newbie tank we end up wiping a few times before they give up and leave |
| 07:48.45 | Amarande | double true if the healer is a newbie as well |
| 07:49.07 | Wobin | at lower levels, it's harder for the tanks |
| 07:49.15 | Wobin | because they have less aggro generation abilities |
| 07:49.17 | Amarande | omg 28g repair bill |
| 07:49.19 | Wobin | also, cause dps suck |
| 07:49.47 | Amarande | Wobin: it might also be the paradigms normally associated with leveling |
| 07:50.01 | Amarande | the general advice when leveling is to spec and gear for as much dps as possible |
| 07:50.24 | Amarande | gearing as a tank generally means a sacrifice in damage output compared to gearing for dps, so even people tanking pre-80 instances often aren't fully geared for the job |
| 07:50.57 | Amarande | especially if they're a class where the difference in damage output (= questing efficiency) between tank spec/gear and dps spec/gear is particularly painful |
| 07:51.10 | Amarande | (i.e., prot pallies and DKs don't feel it as much as druids or warriors) |
| 07:54.34 | Amarande | I will, in fact, most likely level my pally as a tank, because the prot pally playstyle is one I happen to significantly enjoy |
| 07:59.21 | Amarande | but for now, it is time to obtain, gem, and enchant another piece of T9. |
| 08:01.11 | cbreak_work | why not T10? |
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| 08:04.19 | Amarande | cbreak: because I don't have nearly enough frost emblems for T10 |
| 08:04.30 | Amarande | and getting frost emblems in any sort of quantity virtually requires you to get T9 first so you're geared for ICC :) |
| 08:05.09 | Wobin | well |
| 08:05.20 | Wobin | by the time you have sufficient badges for T10 |
| 08:05.28 | Wobin | just from dailies, you have enough for T9 =P |
| 08:07.42 | Amarande | I'd also like to use my first 60 frost badges to obtain a belt, because there are no Triumph badge belts |
| 08:09.02 | Amarande | damn, bracers are also a bitch |
| 08:09.07 | Amarande | nothing higher than 213 from emblems yet |
| 08:09.24 | Amarande | except for one pvp piece |
| 08:09.39 | Amarande | (and yeah, I'm pretty sure that's accurate ... http://www.wowhead.com/items?filter=sl=9;minle=200;maxle=300;minrl=80;maxrl=80;ub=6;cr=158;crs=1;crv=0;gb=0 ) |
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| 08:11.01 | Wobin | bracers are terrible to get |
| 08:11.36 | Amarande | yeah, I might end up settling for the 213 emblem ones |
| 08:11.46 | Amarande | BTW, you know what they REALLY need to do if it's at all possible in a technical sense? |
| 08:11.57 | Amarande | they really should make it so you can buy lower badge items with the higher badges directly |
| 08:12.06 | Amarande | having to go to four people in a row to buy a gem is just annoying |
| 08:12.24 | Wobin | yeah |
| 08:12.27 | Amarande | though I'm not sure if they can set more than one price like that |
| 08:12.40 | Amarande | mmmm, happiness is a cold Smithwick's |
| 08:13.59 | Amarande | btw, are the same general gemming principles applicable to all physical DPS or is frost DK a special case? |
| 08:14.30 | Wobin | for dps? |
| 08:14.41 | Wobin | strength, I believe |
| 08:14.47 | Amarande | i.e., relentless earthsiege meta, blue = nightmare tear, red = AP or agi/strength depending on class mojo, yellow = use red unless the bonus is agi/strength or else a combination of crit + agi/strength orange |
| 08:15.09 | Amarande | and more than one blue socket that you really want a bonus from = /cry |
| 08:15.18 | Wobin | I -think- strength scales better than AP directly, but it's been a while |
| 08:15.24 | Wobin | ps, don't socket for bonus |
| 08:15.34 | Wobin | socket for meta |
| 08:15.39 | zenzio | socket for great justice! |
| 08:15.55 | Amarande | yeah, EJ at least recommends, at least for DKs, to only socket other than nightmare tear or bold cardinal if it's a yellow and the bonus is +STR |
| 08:16.06 | Amarande | then use inscribed ametrine (str/crit) |
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| 08:16.30 | Wobin | hm, bank guild name |
| 08:16.35 | Wobin | Toon name is Escrow |
| 08:16.42 | Wobin | Booty Bay Logistics? |
| 08:16.50 | Wobin | Stormwind Savings And Loans? |
| 08:17.04 | Adys | Wobin: Mules'R'Us |
| 08:17.34 | Amarande | *gulp* |
| 08:17.37 | Amarande | I just qualified for ICC5 |
| 08:17.42 | Amarande | heroics, that is |
| 08:18.16 | Wobin | you're a dps dk |
| 08:18.16 | zenzio | Wobin: <Teller> |
| 08:18.17 | Wobin | you'll be fine |
| 08:18.32 | Amarande | any particular bosses where being melee DPS is a bear? |
| 08:18.43 | Wobin | Ick and Krick |
| 08:18.44 | Amarande | I know there's some fights in the regular heroics where being melee DPS can be annoying |
| 08:18.47 | Wobin | move out of the poison nova |
| 08:18.59 | Amarande | like those twilight worshipper bastards in OK and their flamestrike |
| 08:19.09 | Amarande | which seems to basically be blizzard's way of saying WE HATE U PLAYER |
| 08:19.21 | Amarande | flamestrike? more like delayed blast fireball if you ask me :) |
| 08:19.24 | Wobin | most of the rest of the bosses the melee is unavoidable |
| 08:19.35 | Amarande | (if you've not played ancient SSI games, you won't know what I mean heh) |
| 08:20.39 | zenzio | server side include games? Sounds fun |
| 08:21.42 | Amarande | zenzio: the old Gold Box AD&D games |
| 08:21.48 | Amarande | btw, if I ever choose to go blood or unholy |
| 08:21.55 | Amarande | is the gemming and enchanting the same, or will I need to redo them? |
| 08:21.59 | Fisker | my rage level is over 9000 |
| 08:22.10 | Wobin | same I'd say |
| 08:22.24 | zenzio | Fisker: I hope your rage level is unsigned, or you run the risk of wrapping soon |
| 08:23.49 | Amarande | bah, I should have picked up the quest for FoS when I was in Dala |
| 08:23.57 | Wobin | can I bug all of you to log into Nagrand Alliance and make a human to sign my guild charter? |
| 08:24.02 | Fisker | product description fail |
| 08:24.03 | Fisker | DRM Free and collected on a single disc |
| 08:24.08 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/app/40950/ |
| 08:24.10 | Fisker | .... |
| 08:24.36 | Amarande | on the good side, at least I don't have to worry about HoR or PoS yet :) |
| 08:24.43 | Fisker | that reminds me |
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| 08:25.04 | Fisker | how successful do you think i can be by reporting people who write "PoS" for bypassing the swear filter? |
| 08:25.04 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 08:25.27 | Wobin | not at all? |
| 08:25.47 | Amarande | ok, is http://www.wowhead.com/item=47500 a generic melee blade or specifically meant for a tank? |
| 08:26.02 | Wobin | My toon name is Escröw |
| 08:26.10 | Amarande | and is http://www.wowhead.com/item=47522 good, ok, or bad for a DK? |
| 08:27.27 | Amarande | (both are from H-TOC) |
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| 08:28.32 | Fisker | vidi veni Wobin |
| 08:28.36 | krka | that's a strange usage of the letter à wobin |
| 08:28.48 | krka | Wobin: |
| 08:28.52 | Wobin | I already had Escrow on hordeside |
| 08:28.55 | krka | oops sorry about the extra highlight |
| 08:29.15 | Fisker | do you hear me Wobin ? |
| 08:29.18 | Amarande | basically, are dodge/parry things that are ok on a DPS's weapon, or will that make EG tell me "you idiot you're using a tank item" :) |
| 08:29.33 | Amarande | right now I'm using a couple of blue swords that are not too bad apart from being rather too fast |
| 08:29.37 | Wobin | probably |
| 08:29.46 | Wobin | dodge/parry are useless to dps |
| 08:30.23 | Wobin | So, can I convince you all to make a toon on US:Nagrand alliance to sign my bankguild charter? |
| 08:30.33 | Wobin | (humans) |
| 08:30.36 | zenzio | what name did you go with? |
| 08:30.36 | Corrodias | Steam is selling Prima strategy guides now, apparently. why you'd bother, i don't know, but they're there. |
| 08:30.55 | Wobin | Booty Bay Removals |
| 08:31.02 | Corrodias | he's the orc named Lovesitinthebutt |
| 08:31.13 | Wobin | Corrodias, wrong faction =( |
| 08:31.18 | Fisker | i Wobin'd |
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| 08:38.25 | Fisker | i kd3'd |
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| 09:02.10 | Amarande | Bah. |
| 09:02.16 | Amarande | I think the batteries just died on my wireless headphones |
| 09:03.34 | Fisker | yes |
| 09:03.36 | Fisker | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees |
| 09:03.42 | Fisker | cackles manically |
| 09:03.49 | Amarande | what? |
| 09:05.55 | Wobin | Just need three more signatures |
| 09:06.11 | Fisker | for what? |
| 09:06.17 | Wobin | my bank guild |
| 09:06.21 | Wobin | charter |
| 09:06.23 | Fisker | aww |
| 09:09.03 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/failure_ranger.jpg |
| 09:09.40 | mikma | this one is nice, http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/shoot_your_brains_out_camera_art.jpg .. right wobin? |
| 09:09.57 | Wobin | classy |
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| 09:11.58 | mikma | "AVR Mod Broken in 3.3.5" |
| 09:11.59 | mikma | neat |
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| 09:14.47 | Fisker | why so neat? |
| 09:15.07 | Kaso | as someone suggested yesterday, you can still make it work as long as you fix the camera position |
| 09:15.15 | Kaso | but thats somewhat less useful i guess |
| 09:15.35 | mikma | fisker: they always break something that's super-helpful |
| 09:16.21 | mikma | "this is not what we wanted, the game is meant to be hard" |
| 09:20.06 | Fisker | nah |
| 09:20.58 | Fisker | didn't really break it anyway |
| 09:21.20 | Fisker | they just broke the useful part of mapping it to 3D, which was infact a useful feature even without the raid stuff |
| 09:22.44 | mikma | oh well, the boss has been killed without the addon anyway |
| 09:22.47 | mikma | so it's doable |
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| 09:24.43 | Fisker | sure |
| 09:25.41 | Fisker | can't wait to see hudmap though |
| 09:25.47 | Fisker | unless Antiarc lost his balls and so forth |
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| 09:28.22 | mikma | what's hudmap |
| 09:32.15 | Xinhuan | oh no |
| 09:32.17 | Xinhuan | if db.settings.hud_perspective then |
| 09:32.17 | Xinhuan | SaveView(5) |
| 09:32.24 | Xinhuan | GatherHud will break too |
| 09:33.02 | Xinhuan | i do have a workaround though ;p |
| 09:33.09 | Xinhuan | --elseif db.settings.use_char_pitch then |
| 09:33.09 | Xinhuan | --pitch = -GetUnitPitch("player") / rad_to_deg |
| 09:35.02 | Fisker | mikma it's your minimap enlarged to cover a good deal of your screen |
| 09:35.25 | Fisker | So instead of drawing it in the 3d world, we'll just draw it on the minimap and overlay it |
| 09:36.08 | mikma | fisker: screenshot? |
| 09:36.27 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXeOFwm4MFs&hd=1 |
| 09:37.25 | Fisker | If Blizzard also doesn't want that, the last thing remaining is for DXE,DBM, etc. to just computationally make decisions for you, instead of just showing the information making the decisionmaking process easier |
| 09:37.33 | Fisker | arrows ftw |
| 09:39.30 | mikma | that will also be nerfed, you'll see |
| 09:39.38 | Fisker | sure |
| 09:39.46 | Fisker | they'll just have to remove range addons then |
| 09:40.20 | Wobin | actually any addon that shows the worldframe will soon be removed |
| 09:40.25 | Fisker | :3 |
| 09:40.30 | Wobin | we'll have to operate entirely by sound effects |
| 09:42.36 | Fisker | Point is that the data has been there since 3.1, and is still there after 3.3.5, Blizzards claim is that the biggest issue is 3d interaction, and not the bossmod itself |
| 09:42.47 | Fisker | They also erronously claim that it removes the decision making process |
| 09:43.06 | Fisker | No it just delivers the information in one of the best context-sensitive manners it can |
| 09:43.38 | Fisker | So we'll see how much they'll bawwwww when (if Antiarc got balls, etc.) hudmap is released |
| 09:49.51 | mikma | www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJDx3H_hvI8 |
| 09:50.58 | Wobin | mikma, old =P |
| 09:51.12 | mikma | i know |
| 09:53.00 | Legorol | wouldn't they be able to break things if they stopped making player positions on the world/minimap available through API? |
| 09:53.09 | Wobin | yes |
| 09:53.17 | Wobin | it would be pretty terrible though |
| 09:53.18 | Legorol | and afaik default UI doesn't use that info |
| 09:53.36 | Legorol | well, not as terrible as the whole addon system revamp in TBC :) |
| 09:53.51 | Legorol | sure some innocent addons and virgins would have to be sacrificed for the cause |
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| 09:54.14 | Legorol | another approach: what about making player orientation unavailable? |
| 09:54.24 | Legorol | it would make hud-style displays much harder and less useful |
| 09:57.46 | Fisker | you could easily keep it in the default ui Legorol |
| 10:00.01 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptmg3Q0sqWI#t=1m13s |
| 10:01.29 | airtonix | define 'hud-style' |
| 10:01.45 | airtonix | also on-screen != heads up display |
| 10:02.21 | airtonix | so anything you define as being hud style while still on a 2d surface is a bit <wavy hand> |
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| 10:05.43 | Fisker | Blizzard needs to design better boss encounters |
| 10:05.45 | Fisker | problem solved |
| 10:06.09 | Fisker | There are more range sensitive encounters in ICC than all raid encounters of WotLK put together |
| 10:06.34 | airtonix | the next variable will be umlat sensitivity |
| 10:06.54 | Fisker | professor pütricide |
| 10:07.14 | Fisker | i passed |
| 10:07.16 | airtonix | oh and then the bosses will get colour blind |
| 10:07.29 | zenzio | Disable Foreigners: Stuns all characters in 50 yd range whose names contain umlats |
| 10:08.06 | Fisker | color blind? :P |
| 10:08.14 | Fisker | ahaha zenzio |
| 10:08.21 | Fisker | need ascii sensitive boss encounters then |
| 10:08.39 | airtonix | or a boss that goes undercover in /2 |
| 10:08.42 | Fisker | especially those with the D that has a = in it |
| 10:08.48 | Fisker | i hate them so much |
| 10:08.52 | Fisker | especially when it starts with it |
| 10:09.01 | Fisker | You just want to destroy them |
| 10:09.04 | zenzio | heh |
| 10:09.30 | Fisker | Someone should really make an tab-completer that takes into account ascii'd variations of the "base-alphabet" |
| 10:09.44 | airtonix | that would be pro |
| 10:09.53 | airtonix | international tab completion |
| 10:09.59 | zenzio | Fisker: agreed |
| 10:10.19 | zenzio | I wonder how hard that would be |
| 10:10.20 | Fisker | "International Tab Completion broken in 4.0.0" |
| 10:10.42 | airtonix | its just unicode ? |
| 10:11.03 | Fisker | "We found that many ninjas happened to use these obscure names to avoid punishment, so because of the naming and shaming consequences of being able to tab-complete D's with ='s in it, we decided to disable it in 4.0.0" |
| 10:11.04 | Fisker | :3 |
| 10:11.35 | airtonix | doesnt matter prat lets you shift click a name into chat |
| 10:11.47 | airtonix | or is that default ? |
| 10:11.50 | Fisker | prat disabled! |
| 10:11.51 | Fisker | :P |
| 10:12.18 | airtonix | ok sidney shaw |
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| 10:26.03 | Fisker | heh |
| 10:26.15 | Fisker | some ret paladin whispered me if we had spot in the guild for another ret pala |
| 10:26.26 | Fisker | i told him we had so many ret palas we were fighting over who is buffing might |
| 10:26.26 | Fisker | :P |
| 10:26.45 | Adys | :-þ Fisker |
| 10:27.02 | Adys | But maybe I'm just ¶ro |
| 10:27.03 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 10:30.31 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13525764475&postId=134524705597&sid=1#104 |
| 10:31.38 | Fisker | too much? |
| 10:31.45 | airtonix | snake plisken |
| 10:34.13 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13525764475&postId=134524705597&sid=1#105 <-i was pwnt :( |
| 10:38.08 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 10:38.47 | airtonix | all i see is qq |
| 10:39.22 | airtonix | and people who dont know how to use anti spam addons |
| 10:39.30 | airtonix | and more qq |
| 10:39.36 | Kaso | why the question about mac? |
| 10:39.46 | Fisker | "imma a macfag and i can't computer" |
| 10:39.51 | Fisker | -a |
| 10:40.25 | airtonix | no no |
| 10:40.29 | airtonix | today we play steam |
| 10:40.38 | airtonix | choo choo |
| 10:41.34 | Fisker | so will the EU web team wake up today and read mmo-champion so they know that they have to implement remote ah? |
| 10:41.55 | airtonix | you pay for that would you ? |
| 10:42.00 | Fisker | if it's not available to EU soon i'll go from Blizzard to Hitler in one step |
| 10:42.06 | Fisker | beta test is free airtonix |
| 10:42.44 | Fisker | though i may want to run it to get goldcapped |
| 10:43.18 | airtonix | explain |
| 10:43.45 | airtonix | explain it to me like i was eight years old |
| 10:43.57 | Adys | explain it to me like i was five. |
| 10:44.27 | airtonix | when a man loves a woman... |
| 10:44.29 | Fisker | well when a player and an auction house like eachother |
| 10:44.35 | Fisker | omg |
| 10:44.37 | Fisker | hivemind |
| 10:44.57 | airtonix | boogie on down productions. |
| 10:48.02 | Fisker | oh sweet |
| 10:48.08 | Fisker | Froyo fixes mah touchscreen |
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| 11:02.57 | Fisker | everyone get down |
| 11:02.59 | Fisker | it's foxlit |
| 11:03.05 | zenzio | and boogie |
| 11:04.13 | Fisker | i boogie u zenzelezz |
| 11:04.44 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/11/29/disco-fever-i-has-it/ |
| 11:05.42 | Bruners | what is this AVR mod ? |
| 11:11.41 | Fisker | it's an addon that overlays 3d-like drawings on the interface |
| 11:14.47 | Fisker | fire Bruners |
| 11:16.05 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
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| 11:17.05 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
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| 11:32.32 | airtonix | is avr this thing that has those radars ? |
| 11:33.59 | Fisker | radars? |
| 11:34.23 | Fisker | i don't think anything AVR does qualifies as a radar :P |
| 11:35.22 | airtonix | i dont know... i dont play wow. |
| 11:35.31 | airtonix | i live on the other side of the bridge |
| 11:35.47 | Fisker | oh |
| 11:35.51 | zenzio | Everquest? |
| 11:35.59 | airtonix | real life |
| 11:36.00 | Fisker | well it is the mod that makes teh circles on the ground |
| 11:36.06 | airtonix | free sub |
| 11:36.06 | Fisker | second life? |
| 11:36.08 | zenzio | there's no bridge to that |
| 11:36.24 | Fisker | there was but i blew mine up |
| 11:36.46 | airtonix | jackburn |
| 11:37.11 | airtonix | must always keep your neurocanula hygenic |
| 11:37.42 | airtonix | sulphate buildup on the copper spike is not good for your brain |
| 11:38.44 | Fisker | haha |
| 11:38.47 | Fisker | i don't get it |
| 11:38.52 | airtonix | you wouldnt |
| 11:39.04 | Fisker | why was Starcraft 2 rated for 12+ simply by removing smoking, profanity and blood |
| 11:39.06 | Fisker | ? |
| 11:39.07 | airtonix | side effects of jackburn |
| 11:39.35 | Fisker | It's south korea, but i say this with as straight a face that i can: Did you guys even play SC1? |
| 11:40.04 | airtonix | idungedid |
| 11:40.12 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.33 | Arrowmaster | what is this? a japanese game where in addition to A B C D and F youve got things better than A like S SS SSS EX G |
| 11:42.04 | olafski | ikaruga? |
| 11:42.13 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 11:42.22 | Arrowmaster | ive never gotten higher than a C in ikaruga |
| 11:42.30 | olafski | I think you can get A |
| 11:42.31 | olafski | ehh, S |
| 11:42.42 | olafski | not sure.. but I've seen S SS SSS in games before |
| 11:43.02 | Arrowmaster | ive seen EX too |
| 11:43.06 | zenzio | you know what would be amusing? If with Cataclysm, with the nasty lich king dead, they disabled new characters from choosing the death knight class |
| 11:43.07 | olafski | one more thing about too human btw.. if you find red armor / weapons, is it always stuff your class can use or are you supposed to trade to get the full 7 piece set? |
| 11:43.22 | olafski | zenzio: yeah and make being DK a feat of strength :D |
| 11:43.30 | Arrowmaster | i cant remember if i saw G in a game or if im just thinking of that one from the kiddy grade anime |
| 11:43.53 | airtonix | start making sense |
| 11:43.58 | haste | Arrowmaster: shikigami no shiro has a system like that as well |
| 11:45.09 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:45.20 | Fisker | you know what i hate haste ? |
| 11:45.27 | olafski | ikaruga seems to have S and S++ as highest scores |
| 11:45.38 | haste | ikaruga has a similiar score system |
| 11:45.38 | airtonix | Fisker, sex with fish? |
| 11:45.45 | haste | but I can't say much on it since I've barely played that :P |
| 11:46.44 | Fisker | it's a trap airtonix |
| 11:46.44 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: referring to replacement of the standard A,B,C or gold,silver,bronze/copper ratings in games by removing the lowest and putting something else on top that sounds even more special |
| 11:46.44 | Fisker | i'm suuuuuuuuper |
| 11:46.44 | Fisker | thanks for asking |
| 11:47.02 | airtonix | its ok darling |
| 11:47.02 | Fisker | so |
| 11:47.24 | Fisker | Lian-LI PC-A77FB or Corsair 800D? |
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| 11:48.00 | airtonix | cases ? |
| 11:48.08 | Fisker | yeah |
| 11:48.09 | airtonix | dont mae me use google |
| 11:48.14 | Arrowmaster | olafski: for the too human red items thing, i always found class items as drops until i got them all i think then other class items started dropping, but i think its really that the chance of it being for your class is only higher and not that is will be for your class |
| 11:48.31 | zenzio | "i think the heroics of one guy one shotting a pit lord would be somewhat diminished by having 10-25 other folk there pew pew-ing him at the same time and then rushing over Groms still warm corpse to loot epics." - hehe |
| 11:49.55 | airtonix | snake pliskin |
| 11:50.33 | airtonix | i dont see the attraction of chuck norris |
| 11:50.50 | Arrowmaster | olafski: can you start a coop game without a gold account? like system link or anything? |
| 11:50.51 | airtonix | hes not even asian |
| 11:52.14 | Arrowmaster | olafski: theres much more loot in coop mode even if you dont let anybody else join you, just the fact that its coop mode vs single player ups the loot and the number of leaders |
| 11:56.35 | Arrowmaster | sleeps |
| 11:56.45 | olafski | arrowmaster: you can just do level select from the aesir base |
| 11:56.52 | olafski | that has the same effect |
| 11:57.01 | Arrowmaster | not quite actually |
| 11:57.29 | olafski | I found that whichever gametype I started, people could join me iirc |
| 11:57.32 | Arrowmaster | its been tested and it really is more from starting it as coop |
| 11:57.43 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 11:58.09 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt be able to join you if you dont select multiplayer from the main menu |
| 11:58.16 | olafski | I should really get that ice forest run without dying.. commando doesn't seem like the proper class for it though perhaps if I have that full set it might work |
| 11:58.32 | olafski | that final boss takes virtually no damage when I shoot at him |
| 11:58.48 | airtonix | Fisker, im deporting you to LA |
| 11:58.52 | Arrowmaster | you arent supposed to shoot at him |
| 11:59.05 | Arrowmaster | or do you mean when you finally drop him to the ground? |
| 11:59.09 | Fisker | why would you do that airtonix ? |
| 11:59.42 | airtonix | well i rubbed this lamp and out came a genie |
| 12:00.10 | olafski | yeah when you drop him to the ground |
| 12:00.13 | airtonix | and i thought LA would benefit from your presence |
| 12:00.15 | olafski | he manages to dodge lasers somehow |
| 12:00.37 | olafski | I should try it with the "instant loot" glitch maybe |
| 12:00.45 | olafski | won't help on the boss but the level itself isn't that easy either |
| 12:01.06 | Arrowmaster | i think i shredded him pretty good with melee last time i did act2, just it takes forever to be able to melee him with a zerker |
| 12:01.23 | Arrowmaster | but i die way before that during the level anyway on the zerker |
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| 12:03.52 | Arrowmaster | if you get upgrade back to a gold account ill do coop with you but right now i need sleep |
| 12:04.35 | Fisker | http://xkcd.com/ <-fucking awesome |
| 12:06.14 | olafski | nn :) |
| 12:06.21 | olafski | yeah lots of trolls in that level.. no fun if you're melee |
| 12:14.43 | airtonix | lol@escape fro la > this is the future, we have holographic video conference...but we still use CRT screens. |
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| 12:30.59 | Wobin | anyone here got US accounts? |
| 12:31.26 | Fisker | why would i have us accounts? |
| 12:31.38 | Wobin | you've been known to be mad that way |
| 12:31.42 | Fisker | k |
| 12:31.46 | Fisker | what do you need it for? |
| 12:31.53 | Wobin | well, do you? |
| 12:32.01 | Fisker | no |
| 12:32.05 | Fisker | but what do you need it for? |
| 12:32.08 | Wobin | alas |
| 12:32.13 | Fisker | im super cereal |
| 12:32.15 | Wobin | Your madness does know bounds |
| 12:32.45 | Fisker | but srsly |
| 12:32.50 | Fisker | what do you need it for? :P |
| 12:33.05 | Wobin | You already know =) |
| 12:33.09 | Fisker | i do? :( |
| 12:33.25 | Fisker | ah |
| 12:33.27 | Fisker | aaaaaaaaaah |
| 12:33.36 | Fisker | why haven't you gotten your charter signed yet? |
| 12:33.37 | Fisker | gimp |
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| 12:34.28 | Wobin | need a couple more signatures |
| 12:35.12 | zenzio | just falsify them |
| 12:35.37 | Wobin | that's what I'm asking for =P |
| 12:35.51 | Wobin | I need anyone with a US account to make a throwaway alt on Nagrand Alliance (human) to sign it =) |
| 12:36.06 | zenzio | clearly I meant it like in the criminal way |
| 12:36.11 | zenzio | sadly I don't have a US account anymore |
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| 12:38.19 | Fisker | you know what Wobin ? |
| 12:38.24 | Fisker | i'm almost inclined to make one |
| 12:38.32 | Fisker | Quote ghostcrawler with "herpa derp" |
| 12:38.37 | Fisker | then get permabanned from forums |
| 12:38.38 | Fisker | :3 |
| 12:38.54 | Wobin | sounds like a good investment |
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| 12:54.30 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/743/ |
| 12:55.10 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, my sheeple. |
| 12:56.26 | Cairenn | lol |
| 12:56.33 | Kraps | paladins can be badass too http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/ss1010.jpg |
| 12:57.01 | Lopeppeppy | That weapon... is a fuzzy pitch fork. |
| 12:59.05 | Kraps | not sure how this is wow-related though http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/ss1009.jpg |
| 12:59.28 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, it's broken =( |
| 12:59.37 | Wobin | which I'm not surprised at |
| 12:59.44 | olafski | but that's a blood elf? |
| 12:59.50 | Wobin | well |
| 12:59.52 | Wobin | an elf |
| 12:59.54 | Wobin | covered in blood |
| 12:59.57 | Matsy | Kraps: definitely WoW related |
| 13:00.04 | Matsy | Seeing that flying thing |
| 13:00.07 | Matsy | Is the pet you get |
| 13:00.17 | Matsy | From that long questline |
| 13:00.21 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sad that it's broken |
| 13:00.22 | Matsy | Forgot the exact name ;p |
| 13:00.26 | olafski | skin is too yellowish for being a night elf.. not to mention NEs can't be paladin wobin |
| 13:00.29 | Lopeppeppy | It's still a freakin' fuzzy weapon |
| 13:00.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sprite Darter |
| 13:00.36 | Matsy | Yeah, that one |
| 13:00.54 | Wobin | olafski, could be a high elf! |
| 13:01.02 | olafski | lies |
| 13:01.04 | Kraps | Matsy: a hotter version of tinkerbell? |
| 13:01.11 | olafski | no elves exist except night and blood |
| 13:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | Tink was a bitch |
| 13:01.18 | Matsy | I'd say so! |
| 13:01.22 | Matsy | Tinkerbell was already hot enough |
| 13:01.32 | olafski | we've already seen a hotter version of tinkerbell a few days ago |
| 13:01.37 | Matsy | what |
| 13:01.38 | Matsy | where |
| 13:01.50 | krka | tinkerbell sounds like a gnome name |
| 13:01.50 | olafski | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/14/disney-women-3.jpg <-- possibly nsfw |
| 13:02.33 | Wobin | darting spriter |
| 13:02.35 | Wobin | or something |
| 13:02.41 | olafski | <Lopeppeppy> Sprite Darter |
| 13:02.47 | Matsy | what |
| 13:02.48 | Matsy | no |
| 13:02.50 | Matsy | She's from Winx Club |
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| 13:03.24 | Matsy | That's Stella |
| 13:03.31 | Matsy | no |
| 13:03.32 | Matsy | Flora |
| 13:05.21 | Kraps | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/09/sweet_fork_arm_twisted_disney.php |
| 13:05.41 | Matsy | LOL |
| 13:05.58 | Kraps | http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/09/17/twisted-princesses-a-darker-take-on-disney/ |
| 13:06.04 | Kraps | holy shit |
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| 13:12.57 | Fisker | I RAGEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 13:13.17 | Fisker | i don't care about you being fucking ripped, stop shouting in a tab i can't find |
| 13:15.02 | A-KO^ | Kraps: that's emo disney |
| 13:15.48 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: |
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| 13:22.35 | Kraps | these are win http://sugarock99.deviantart.com/gallery/ |
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| 13:32.04 | Kraps | i dont even http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25026392701&sid=1 |
| 13:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | QQ more, everyone. I remember when decursive still worked. :) |
| 13:34.40 | A-KO^ | I don't miss decursive |
| 13:34.47 | A-KO^ | nor the mods that stopped casting |
| 13:35.27 | Spejnar | I remember when mana conserve stopped working, oh the QQ |
| 13:36.03 | A-KO^ | however |
| 13:36.04 | Kraps | Spejnar: whats that? |
| 13:36.05 | A-KO^ | that does suck about AVR |
| 13:36.06 | A-KO^ | honestly |
| 13:36.12 | A-KO^ | I think breaking AVR is taking things a little too far |
| 13:36.30 | krka | only one mod was broken by blizzard that didn't simplify combat gameplay :/ |
| 13:36.33 | Spejnar | Kraps: in vanilla at the start there was an option that allowed you to stop casting if the target had above x% hp, i.e. making healing cake |
| 13:36.56 | Spejnar | so you just set the % to like 80 and spammed like hell, didnt even have to watch the screen |
| 13:37.09 | Spejnar | was a rather big adjustment when they removed it |
| 13:37.21 | A-KO^ | A) AVR didn't actually *play* the game for you, B) Many of Blizzard's animations are either larger or smaller than their effect radius, which is bad. |
| 13:37.22 | Spejnar | which was notable later on when you fought patchwerk.. |
| 13:37.22 | olafski | http://www.lazypalace.com/img/fun/blondes/blondes38.jpg :D |
| 13:37.41 | Lopeppeppy | Bliz doesn't like what it does, therefore it will no longer be done. |
| 13:37.52 | Spejnar | and I agree with them |
| 13:38.01 | A-KO^ | Lopeppeppy: I'm just saying I think it goes a little too far, as the addon doesn't really "play the game" for you, unlike some of the other mods out there. |
| 13:38.09 | A-KO^ | nonetheless, it won't affect me |
| 13:38.16 | A-KO^ | but I was really looking forward to trying it out at some point |
| 13:39.01 | A-KO^ | The thing about decursive and mana conserve was that the game actually played the game for you--just like the auto walk mods and the like way back in the early days, they would send keypresses and functions that caused your character to do something. |
| 13:39.11 | A-KO^ | In fact |
| 13:39.16 | A-KO^ | I'd honestly rather they break the Clique mod than AVR |
| 13:39.50 | Kraps | ~lart A-KO |
| 13:39.50 | purl | cuts A-KO into thin stripes |
| 13:39.52 | A-KO^ | Clique combines two functions together that under the normal UI is only allowed with one |
| 13:40.03 | olafski | how so? |
| 13:40.08 | olafski | you can do the same with macros |
| 13:40.09 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe one day they will. For now, they don't like having the game world drawn on that way, so it won't be. If you don't like Clique, send in your feedback to Blizzard. |
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| 13:40.15 | Lopeppeppy | loves jnwhiteh. |
| 13:40.30 | olafski | clique just saves you from writing a bunch of macros =( |
| 13:41.26 | krka | blizzard should do it like apple with the appstore |
| 13:41.27 | A-KO^ | I think that targetting and casting should be separate functions, and they are until you get into the addon/macro world, which I find it kind of odd that blizzard allows it to happen. |
| 13:41.38 | krka | you submit an addon, then wait two weeks, then blizzard can approvei t |
| 13:41.41 | krka | *approve it |
| 13:41.46 | olafski | sounds good krka :) |
| 13:41.59 | Spejnar | 100 new jobs over at blizz guys, hurry and apply |
| 13:42.28 | krka | you can only write addons in a special addon environment, that's a shallow instance of wow without any networking |
| 13:42.47 | krka | so the only way to get addons into real wow is to get it through the blizzard appstore |
| 13:42.50 | krka | that would be awesome! |
| 13:43.02 | Spejnar | is that really necessary? |
| 13:44.09 | A-KO^ | Even so, even with all the UI mods in the world, most players don't know how to react and raid properly. |
| 13:44.14 | A-KO^ | so AVR wasn't really doing much |
| 13:44.28 | A-KO^ | even after blizzard made the change to Sarth's void zones, people still stood in them |
| 13:44.29 | Spejnar | Id rather see blizzard move 90% of addons |
| 13:44.36 | Spejnar | remove* |
| 13:44.38 | Kraps | wonders if its worth breaking his awesome dominoes setup to try http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/spartan-ui.aspx |
| 13:44.45 | olafski | clique helps you in performing your decisions, while AVR helped you make decisions.. I'd say that is the difference mostly |
| 13:45.03 | Spejnar | googles clique |
| 13:45.36 | haste | clique still have you thing, which AVR didn't |
| 13:45.48 | haste | think! |
| 13:46.15 | olafski | healing was fun with CTRA and that thing that auto cancelled heals |
| 13:46.23 | Spejnar | olafski: mana conserve |
| 13:46.23 | A-KO^ | I never used that |
| 13:46.25 | olafski | make a macro to target the guy with the least health and cast a heal on him |
| 13:46.25 | A-KO^ | even when it was around |
| 13:46.33 | olafski | spam all night while watching a movie :) |
| 13:46.36 | A-KO^ | so when they got rid of it it didn't affect me |
| 13:46.42 | olafski | though at times I had to switch to spamming my decursive button instead |
| 13:46.47 | Spejnar | oh yes |
| 13:46.48 | A-KO^ | Unfortunately, I think Blizzard needs more encounters to help people learn situational awareness |
| 13:46.55 | Spejnar | good ole chrommagus |
| 13:46.57 | Spejnar | chromaggus* |
| 13:47.01 | olafski | and the packs after geddon |
| 13:47.06 | Spejnar | they hurt as fuck |
| 13:47.10 | A-KO^ | Chromaggus was built with decursive in mind |
| 13:47.16 | olafski | dispel dispel dispel dispel dispel dispel :D |
| 13:47.40 | Spejnar | cant wait to see all the stuff they change for cata with CC in instances, healing being "hard" and so on |
| 13:47.45 | Spejnar | cant decide on what role to play :( |
| 13:47.52 | olafski | you mean healing isn't hard now? :] |
| 13:48.04 | olafski | I played my gf's char on 2 bosses last night, nobody noticed |
| 13:48.36 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 13:48.36 | Spejnar | well I dont feel anything is hard or even "hard" |
| 13:48.42 | olafski | 2 bosses was enough to remind me why raiding bores me though :P |
| 13:48.44 | A-KO^ | Spejnar: The unfortunate aspect of making healing harder is that they can't do anything to make individual players play better. It's a bit ridiculous when Recount/Meters have become the pure bread and butter measure of a player's ability to raid rather than an overview of how your raid is performing. |
| 13:49.07 | Spejnar | A-KO^: I know. One of our trials was whining on our disc priest because of his low healing output.. |
| 13:49.21 | Spejnar | he forgot to see that the disc priest was handling defile solo |
| 13:49.29 | Spejnar | while the trial failed to keep tanks alive.. |
| 13:49.32 | Spejnar | I hate people |
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| 13:49.41 | Lopeppeppy | And unlike DPS, there's only so much healing to go around -- finite damage the raid takes. |
| 13:49.49 | Spejnar | 1400 haste baby |
| 13:49.50 | Spejnar | pew pew |
| 13:49.56 | A-KO^ | I use recount as a sort of baseline of where I expect players to be. But I don't expect players to be constantly topping each other in DPS, I usually make judgments per-class only. |
| 13:50.03 | Spejnar | or pre hotting everything ignoring overheals |
| 13:50.13 | olafski | I hate people too |
| 13:50.29 | Lopeppeppy | Overhealing is useless as a stat,except to tell you when you could afford to swap one hybrid into DPS intead of healing. |
| 13:50.32 | Spejnar | I use skada to see the damage people do, atleast our mages have a tendency to have high dps but low dmg done |
| 13:51.02 | A-KO^ | For example, if 2 mages are 3K apart on DPS, I look at taht and wonder why. If one mage is helping to take care of adds or something, I'm fine with that, but if it's just tank and spank and they're 3K apart, that's when you use the mod. |
| 13:51.07 | A-KO^ | But I almost never compare class against class |
| 13:51.13 | Spejnar | yup |
| 13:51.15 | A-KO^ | because every single fight will emphasize a different class |
| 13:51.50 | Spejnar | but when pushing hardmodes in 10man I really need to make sure people are performing their best, you cant kill saurfang with 2 healers if ppl are below 7k, it just doesnt work |
| 13:51.55 | A-KO^ | Unfortunately, raiding has gotten to the point now that people do that--a lot. It's the primary measure of one's raid DPS. |
| 13:52.07 | Spejnar | other than GS you mean? ^^ |
| 13:52.10 | A-KO^ | so I"m hoping they mix it up a bit in Cataclysm, less focus on rotations |
| 13:52.14 | A-KO^ | more focus on positioning and movement |
| 13:52.19 | Spejnar | yup |
| 13:52.28 | Fisker | btw |
| 13:52.29 | Spejnar | they are gonna "try" and do that for DKs atleast |
| 13:52.33 | Spejnar | ease up their rotations |
| 13:52.35 | Fisker | i found out why Blizzard blocked AVR |
| 13:52.40 | A-KO^ | why's that Fisker? |
| 13:52.44 | Fisker | it has nothing to do with raiding or interacting with the 3d world |
| 13:52.49 | A-KO^ | stationary rotations are under "ideal conditions" |
| 13:52.56 | Fisker | But because Blizzard said that they wanted people not staring at their UI, but staring at the world |
| 13:52.56 | Lopeppeppy | It refused to make them a sammich? |
| 13:53.03 | Fisker | AVR succeeded, where Blizzard didn't |
| 13:53.06 | Fisker | they're jealous |
| 13:53.06 | Spejnar | they need to remove grid asap then |
| 13:53.18 | infectedmush | no its because a gm got annoyed at having dicks drawn on his screen |
| 13:53.18 | cbreak_work | succeeded? |
| 13:53.20 | Spejnar | all our heals have the "grid syndrome" |
| 13:53.23 | Spejnar | healers* |
| 13:53.29 | Fisker | if this is a grammar nazi cbreak |
| 13:53.38 | A-KO^ | Spejnar: yeah, that's all I do is stare at Grid-- :( |
| 13:53.39 | Fisker | BOOM STRAIGHT TO THE MOON |
| 13:53.50 | cbreak_work | hmm? |
| 13:53.58 | cbreak_work | I mean, with what did it succeed? |
| 13:54.00 | Spejnar | A-KO^: which is why you die to stupid shit like mallable goo and stuff |
| 13:54.23 | Fisker | cbreak it succeeded in having players focus more on the game world than the interface |
| 13:54.26 | cbreak_work | making boss fights more boring? |
| 13:55.01 | Spejnar | more boring when you actually have to be awake? I dont get it |
| 13:55.10 | cbreak_work | I focus on the cast bar when I fight. I doubt the addon would change that |
| 13:55.44 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak_work... remember, that was Fisker who said that. :P |
| 13:56.27 | cbreak_work | I dispute the notation that this avr thing succeeded at anything blizzard attempted to do. |
| 13:56.31 | cbreak_work | notion |
| 13:56.34 | cbreak_work | what ever. |
| 13:56.52 | Fisker | you can do more than one thing cbreak |
| 13:57.22 | Fisker | Nomatter if you want to admit it or not, AVR made people look a lot more on the game world, than it did before |
| 13:57.38 | cbreak_work | why? |
| 13:57.44 | cbreak_work | the stuff it shows is not in the UI |
| 13:58.15 | cbreak_work | fires, bombs, all that stuff is shown in the world frame |
| 13:58.15 | Fisker | what do you mean? |
| 13:58.18 | cbreak_work | with or without that addon |
| 13:58.24 | Fisker | sure |
| 13:58.26 | Kalroth | Arguing with Fisker is like putting your hand in an active blender, it's messy and nothing good will come out of it |
| 13:58.28 | cbreak_work | so people who want to run out of fire look in the world frame |
| 13:58.36 | Fisker | sure |
| 13:59.39 | Fisker | so i guess that was your point? :P |
| 14:00.39 | Fisker | Take an encounter like Blood Queen, i'll be focussing more on the range bar than the game world |
| 14:00.45 | Fisker | AVR allows me to focus more on the game world |
| 14:00.51 | cbreak_work | range bar? |
| 14:00.53 | cbreak_work | what range bar? |
| 14:00.57 | Fisker | i.e. proximity |
| 14:01.09 | cbreak_work | I see the distance to characters in the game world |
| 14:01.18 | Fisker | No |
| 14:01.19 | cbreak_work | the UI does not show distances to other people |
| 14:01.27 | Fisker | not the default one no |
| 14:01.30 | Fisker | That's not the point |
| 14:01.31 | cbreak_work | so your point is not really true |
| 14:01.31 | olafski | AVR does =) |
| 14:01.34 | Fisker | anyway troll detected |
| 14:01.35 | Fisker | avoided |
| 14:01.36 | Fisker | good bye |
| 14:02.55 | cbreak_work | AVR does not show infos that would otherwise cause people to focus on the world frame less. |
| 14:03.06 | Fisker | it does |
| 14:03.10 | Fisker | also a period |
| 14:03.25 | Fisker | oh |
| 14:03.43 | Fisker | actually no oh |
| 14:03.46 | Fisker | another period |
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| 14:16.49 | Kraps | heavy rain might come to theaters |
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| 14:21.01 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5543906/south-korean-starcraft-ii-censored-to-shake-adults-only-stigma |
| 14:22.11 | cbreak_work | och, damnit |
| 14:23.37 | cbreak_work | why do they think that red blood and smoking, as well as vulgar language is more dangerous for 12 to 16 year olds than liberal use of deadly force? |
| 14:24.48 | Kraps | korea? |
| 14:24.59 | cbreak_work | yeah |
| 14:25.05 | cbreak_work | I thought only americans think that. |
| 14:25.19 | Cide | because they grow up with the latter. ohh out-of-line-burn |
| 14:28.30 | Mihau | South Korea, not North Korea WHICH IS BEST KOREA! :O |
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| 14:33.36 | Kraps | http://lesbianswholooklikejustinbieber.tumblr.com/ |
| 14:34.04 | Kraps | man, the internet is terrible |
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| 14:38.27 | Ackis | south korea > north korea? |
| 14:40.17 | Xinhuan | pity both are about to go to wa |
| 14:40.18 | Xinhuan | +r |
| 14:40.31 | Xinhuan | after yesterday |
| 14:40.45 | olafski | SK = 100,140 km^2; NK = 120,540 km^2.. so no |
| 14:41.18 | Cide | lua> "south korea" > "north korea" |
| 14:41.19 | lua_bot | Cide: true |
| 14:41.20 | Cide | it all depends. |
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| 14:56.11 | Kraps | http://www.cracked.com/article_18404_6-shockingly-evil-things-babies-are-capable-of.html |
| 14:56.42 | Wobin | ... |
| 14:56.47 | Wobin | artificial life? |
| 14:57.34 | Kraps | racism |
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| 14:58.39 | Lunessa | station! |
| 14:59.02 | Kraps | action! |
| 14:59.08 | Fisker | camera |
| 15:00.59 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/breakthrough-as-artificial-life-is-created-20100521-vrsj.html |
| 15:01.03 | cog|work | station |
| 15:01.17 | cog|work | oldnews! |
| 15:01.22 | cog|work | (well, yesterday, anyway) |
| 15:01.32 | cog|work | or is that two days ago for you? :P |
| 15:03.33 | Lunessa | cog|work: that's more like /assembled/ rather than created totally new life. Important, but subtle distinction. |
| 15:04.03 | Lunessa | Pretty impressive, nonetheless. |
| 15:04.09 | cog|work | Lunessa: yeah |
| 15:04.11 | cog|work | i noticed that too |
| 15:04.40 | cog|work | they didn't actually program the genome they just took the gene sequence, made dna from it, stuck it in an existing cell and voila |
| 15:04.54 | cog|work | "just" |
| 15:04.55 | cog|work | >< |
| 15:05.05 | Lunessa | It's a majopr breakthrough... |
| 15:05.18 | cog|work | hence 08:04 < cog|work> "just" |
| 15:05.18 | cog|work | 08:04 < cog|work> >< |
| 15:07.28 | cbreak_work | Lunessa: there are lots of people who claim to have built their computer themselfs.... same thing. |
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| 15:07.57 | Lunessa | cbreak_work: It's different than making the claim that you've created /life/. |
| 15:08.00 | Cide | yeah, except the parts are on the, what, nanometer scale? |
| 15:08.10 | cog|work | cbreak_work: what? you didn't refine your own silicon and hand draw the circuit masks? |
| 15:08.18 | alestane | I called it a hard-drive swap this morning. |
| 15:08.24 | cbreak_work | no. I told apple which of the few models I wanted :) |
| 15:08.45 | Cide | well, apple surely did it for you |
| 15:09.05 | cbreak_work | I think they asked intel to ask their chinese partners to do the silicon thing |
| 15:09.07 | Cide | anyway |
| 15:09.17 | cbreak_work | nevertheless, nanoscale lego sounds fun. |
| 15:09.26 | cbreak_work | we're approaching a grey goo scenario. |
| 15:09.37 | Cide | $47 million in research says it's not trivial |
| 15:10.10 | Wobin | http://www.gifbin.com/984211 |
| 15:10.17 | cbreak_work | without claiming otherwise, people paid more for trivial things |
| 15:10.43 | Cide | wtf Wobin? |
| 15:10.50 | Cide | that's pretty amazing |
| 15:11.33 | Cide | cbreak_work: such as? |
| 15:11.36 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1HSNV9y25A&feature=player_embedded#! |
| 15:11.55 | cbreak_work | Cide: Titanic - The movie |
| 15:12.23 | Cide | eh |
| 15:12.27 | Cide | they made a larger investment |
| 15:12.30 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/743/ - I'd laugh if it weren't both smug and entirely missing the point. |
| 15:12.48 | Cide | titanic made a lot of money |
| 15:13.02 | Lopeppeppy | You know, Lunessa, I commented on that earlier to a friend, who snapped back that I deserved to get crap from my users when I won't let them upload word docs. /wrist |
| 15:14.14 | Lunessa | The .doc format is nearly universal at this point, but that doesn't make it good for reading in a web browser. |
| 15:14.27 | cbreak_work | the doc format isn't even properly documented |
| 15:14.30 | cbreak_work | how can it be universal? |
| 15:14.39 | cbreak_work | pdf is universal. utf-8 is universal |
| 15:14.43 | cbreak_work | probably even RTF |
| 15:14.44 | Lunessa | cbreak_work: Know anyone who can't read it? |
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| 15:14.51 | cbreak_work | I can't read it |
| 15:15.06 | Lunessa | you're a human. :P Quit being a douche and answer the question. |
| 15:15.37 | cbreak_work | Apple's Pages claims to read docs, but the outcome is hardly the same as what the creator of the doc saw. |
| 15:15.51 | cbreak_work | so, depending on how mcuh value you give visual fidelity, I can't read it. |
| 15:16.16 | alestane | I can run OpenOffice.org, which does a pretty good job. |
| 15:16.37 | Lunessa | I didn't say it was perfectly WYSIWYG - I said that that it was nearly universal - meaning nearly any computer around has the ability to open/read it. |
| 15:16.55 | alestane | docx loos likely to be even more so. |
| 15:17.03 | Kraps | http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob//internet_graphic1.jpg |
| 15:17.16 | Lunessa | Once they quit screwing OSX and Linux users. |
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| 15:21.23 | Xinhuan | http://gizmodo.com/5157354/boy-killed-anally-when-office-chair-explodes |
| 15:21.53 | durcyn | only a gawker site would include the word 'anally' in that |
| 15:22.34 | alestane | TextEdit can read and save .docx. |
| 15:22.45 | alestane | At least once you get to Leopard or so. |
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| 15:25.19 | zenzelezz | I remember trying to read up on RTF syntax once... was not pretty (in my opinion) |
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| 15:25.57 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'CancelTempItemEnchant'. |
| 15:26.08 | alestane | !api CancelTempItemEnchantment |
| 15:26.08 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'CancelTempItemEnchantment'. |
| 15:26.19 | alestane | !api CancelItemTempEnchantment |
| 15:26.19 | lua_bot | CancelItemTempEnchantment: Cancels a temporary weapon enchant (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CancelItemTempEnchantment) |
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| 15:39.07 | Ackis | lol snow fall warnings :( |
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| 15:39.14 | Ackis | it was 35C earlier in the week |
| 15:39.20 | Ackis | and today there's snowfall warnings |
| 15:39.24 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: ^ |
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| 15:48.22 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 15:49.18 | Ackis | no u |
| 15:49.48 | Kalroth | ring ring ring banananana |
| 15:50.23 | alestane | ...one ringy-dingy... |
| 15:50.29 | alestane | ...two ringy-dingy... |
| 15:51.32 | alestane | Hello? Is this the party to whom I am speaking? |
| 15:54.12 | Kraps | woot, i have my own throwaway email address |
| 15:54.29 | nevcairiel | how anoying is that, google has audio on its front page and no way to turn it off |
| 15:55.16 | Fisker | nahuh |
| 15:55.20 | Fisker | l2p |
| 15:56.34 | nevcairiel | so i can play pacman, but i still just want to search =P |
| 15:56.44 | Fisker | hmm you're actually right |
| 15:56.49 | Fisker | but it takes like 30 seconds for it to play |
| 15:56.58 | Fisker | which is longer than i'd ever stay on the frontpage |
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| 16:04.51 | Wobin | oh god |
| 16:04.56 | Wobin | two player is so confusing to play |
| 16:05.44 | Wobin | durcyn, http://gizmodo.com/5157354/gizmodo-really-sucks-at-seo-choices |
| 16:06.14 | nevcairiel | its like on wowace, only the id is important, the other part is just there to look nice |
| 16:06.59 | nevcairiel | well like any sane mapper, you would not rely on strings :D |
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| 16:09.52 | Thunder_Child | ok, i'm confues, whats the diff between a 32-bit and 64-bit image? |
| 16:09.56 | Thunder_Child | confused* |
| 16:10.36 | nevcairiel | image? as in, executable? |
| 16:10.53 | Thunder_Child | no, as in picture |
| 16:10.55 | nevcairiel | or, iso image of soem OS? |
| 16:11.28 | Wobin | 32 bits difference? |
| 16:11.40 | cog|work | one uses 32 bits per pixel the other uses 64? |
| 16:11.45 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: if i wanted an anser like that i could have asked myself |
| 16:11.50 | Thunder_Child | answer* |
| 16:12.14 | Wobin | well sure |
| 16:12.18 | cog|work | (i.e. 16 bits per channel)? |
| 16:12.21 | Wobin | but I didn't want to put you out of your way |
| 16:12.24 | nevcairiel | I dont know of any format that uses that much information, tbh |
| 16:12.25 | zenzelezz | with a 64-bit picture you could theoretically do 16 bits per pixel + 16 bit alpha |
| 16:12.42 | zenzelezz | but that's speculating... you could do 20-20-20-4 if you desired |
| 16:12.56 | Thunder_Child | it was from a software excerpt "By automatically blending multiple exposures of photos, it has the ability to create fully 32 and 64-bit images as well as tone mapped images." |
| 16:13.22 | zenzelezz | sounds like it can do high quality, basically... but I'm still guessing |
| 16:13.29 | nevcairiel | Well i guess if you deal with professional photography, you'll deal with 12 or even 16 bits per channel |
| 16:14.06 | zenzelezz | I think some RAW formats use 16 bits per pixel |
| 16:14.20 | Thunder_Child | ok, that makes sense, thanks guys |
| 16:15.18 | Fisker | duh |
| 16:15.29 | Fisker | obviously it means that your picture can access more than 3.25GB ram |
| 16:16.23 | Fisker | ZOMG |
| 16:16.47 | Fisker | AVR is overpowered because people are using it to draw where other raiders should stand |
| 16:16.55 | Fisker | Because that wasn't possible using flares or ms paint in the past |
| 16:16.57 | Fisker | :o |
| 16:17.38 | zenzelezz | read the blue; they don't like how it feels like it's interacting with the game worlds |
| 16:22.26 | Fisker | i know zenzelezz |
| 16:22.44 | Fisker | someone else is saying that the ability to mark the spots, for example for iceblocks, is overpowered |
| 16:22.45 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 16:22.54 | Cide | totally beat pacman with two players simultaneously |
| 16:22.55 | Fisker | (You don't need addons to mark the spots) |
| 16:22.57 | Cide | playing alone |
| 16:23.01 | Cide | without either one dying |
| 16:23.03 | zenzelezz | ah. Then I request that you use "" when you quote :-p |
| 16:23.05 | Cide | yeahhh |
| 16:23.09 | Fisker | can't wait until Antiarc finishes hudmap |
| 16:23.34 | Fisker | Or if someone decides to do an addon that actually does what most people think AVR does |
| 16:25.17 | Lunessa | alestane: Lilly Tomlin FTW |
| 16:25.37 | alestane | Now I'm just trying to remember whether that was on SNL or Rown & Martin. |
| 16:25.39 | alestane | sp* |
| 16:25.54 | alestane | Or whether I'm just nuts. |
| 16:30.04 | Lopeppeppy | you're crazy! |
| 16:30.48 | alestane | Wel, we knew that in general. |
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| 16:32.28 | foxlit | Oh wowi, UI forums |
| 16:32.36 | foxlit | AVR this, AVR that, AVR killed my kitty, AVR blah... |
| 16:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | All the QQ? |
| 16:32.47 | foxlit | s/i// on the previous line. |
| 16:33.00 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I want to start handing out QQ Kleenex. |
| 16:33.13 | Fisker | i already send a few batches to Blizzard |
| 16:33.23 | Fisker | there there, Blizzard, hopefully you can do better in cataclysm :) |
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| 16:33.37 | zenzelezz | "The pictures are worth 20 million? Nah, we don't need insurance on those" |
| 16:33.40 | zenzelezz | GG museum |
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| 16:34.01 | Fisker | think of the insurance premiums |
| 16:34.16 | zenzelezz | they claimed it was too expensive for the city |
| 16:34.21 | zenzelezz | bet they're regretting that now |
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| 16:35.37 | Maldivia | hehe, cute google "logo" today :) |
| 16:37.44 | Fisker | wow this is rich |
| 16:38.00 | Torhal | Fisker: As in, overly sweet? |
| 16:38.02 | Lopeppeppy | I love it. |
| 16:38.10 | Lunessa | alestane: Rowan and Martin and her own comedy tours. |
| 16:38.13 | Fisker | yes Torhal |
| 16:38.32 | Fisker | this guy is saying that a position given to me by a raidleader requires thinking but a position given to me by an addon doesn't |
| 16:38.41 | Fisker | how do i w? |
| 16:39.54 | alestane | We really need to build a stable, Lopeppeppy, we could be making real money off all these llamas. |
| 16:40.22 | Lopeppeppy | No one will ride those one-trick wonders. |
| 16:40.33 | Lopeppeppy | I'm staying out of the flame war, because I will NOT be tolerant or helpful. |
| 16:40.33 | alestane | Wool! |
| 16:40.45 | Lopeppeppy | STFU noobcakes. Get the hell over your entitled selves. And so on. |
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| 16:41.44 | Fisker | Anyway i got this idea for a mod |
| 16:42.00 | Fisker | It calculates where all 10(25) members of a raid should be standing at all times |
| 16:42.05 | Fisker | then displays a big huge arrow |
| 16:42.15 | Fisker | This is ok because it doesn't interface with the 3D world |
| 16:42.31 | nevcairiel | people are usually still too dumb to follow arrows |
| 16:42.34 | alestane | The only one I thought might have a point was the deaf one, Peppy. |
| 16:43.00 | foxlit | Nah, not even that. |
| 16:43.10 | foxlit | You can *read* while you're deaf, can't you? |
| 16:44.24 | alestane | You certainly can, but it's the least temporally compressed of all the mechanisms described. |
| 16:46.39 | foxlit | So the concern would be it taking time to translate a "<Boss> yells: I'm going to cast Fireball!" to an idea of what to do? |
| 16:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | deaf people were playing before this addon, they'll play afterward. Reading text is game standard, screwing with the 3d world display isn't. |
| 16:49.29 | Fisker | nameplates |
| 16:49.32 | Dashkal | Deaf? Need positions? Farm Outland mats and make lots of flares |
| 16:49.42 | Dashkal | Or moonstones |
| 16:49.43 | Lunessa | alestane: I sympathize with people being deaf and thus being cut off from voice explanations of fights. But hey, AVR and AVR(E) are doing things Blizzard doesn't want done. Deaf folks can still avail themselves of extensive write-ups and videos of encounters... Just like people did before AVR and AVR(E) were around. Or you know, they can learn the fights the way people who make those write ups do. |
| 16:50.21 | alestane | These are valid arguments. But I thought that of all the concerns voiced, that one was probably the most valid overall. |
| 16:50.31 | Dashkal | Also, if your raidleader is acomidating, the fight explanation could me macroed |
| 16:50.57 | alestane | Better than "If you wouldn't design fail encounters, they could be completed by normal people without visual aids." |
| 16:51.04 | Fisker | i don't see the big deal about drawing in 3d space |
| 16:51.16 | Lopeppeppy | Slippery slope, yada yada. |
| 16:51.19 | Fisker | it's a big shame it isn't supported by the game to begin with |
| 16:51.31 | Lunessa | alestane: *nod* |
| 16:51.35 | Fisker | especially since this addon would likely break in vertically challenged zones such as water zones |
| 16:51.38 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, very shamful. the pengins are crying up at the north pole. |
| 16:51.59 | Fisker | alestane but it's true though |
| 16:52.01 | |Jelly| | Drawing in Dalaran was pretty annoying though ... from what I hear. Never saw it personally. |
| 16:52.17 | foxlit | |Jelly|: It's all consentual. |
| 16:52.29 | Ackis | meh blizzard spending the time and resources to "defeat" this addon is about the same as them putting the effort into the voice chat system... just silly and a waste of resources |
| 16:52.30 | Lunessa | Many of us here have played in betas or PTR and gotten a crack at fights for which no guides were written and no videos existed - we learned those encounters. It was painful in some cases, but it can and is done. |
| 16:52.38 | foxlit | If you don't like it, don't receive scenes from strangers. |
| 16:52.44 | Fisker | AVR(E), whether intentional or not, is the creation based on a concept of not using the game interface which Blizzard failed to create |
| 16:52.50 | alestane | I still remember doing UK in alpha for the first time. |
| 16:52.57 | alestane | "WTF is this interrupt?" |
| 16:53.27 | Fisker | i wont be able to avoid mallable goo as a melee without addons |
| 16:53.43 | foxlit | aww. |
| 16:53.51 | foxlit | Our hearts go out to the Fiskers of the world? :) |
| 16:53.59 | |Jelly| | *shrug* I liked the addon but I can't recall Blizzard ever going back on something like this after announcing it so meh .. |
| 16:54.07 | Fisker | poor troll attempt foxlit |
| 16:54.09 | Ackis | creates G15 macros to automove you into appropriate spots. |
| 16:54.12 | alestane | I don't think mine does, foxlit, sorry. |
| 16:54.38 | foxlit | :( |
| 16:55.10 | alestane | Last I looked, "I'm a stubborn contrapuntalist inciter" wasn't a genuine disability. |
| 16:55.21 | alestane | Although they're revising the DSM again, so you never know. |
| 16:55.59 | Maldivia | alestane: I remember 10-maning 25-man 3 drake sarth on the beta servers :) |
| 16:56.04 | Fisker | last i looked i didn't do any of that alestane |
| 16:56.24 | Fisker | and i wasn't talking about AVR specifically |
| 16:56.37 | foxlit | Fisker: i wont be able to avoid mallable goo as a melee without addons << Festergut? |
| 16:56.54 | Fisker | Putricide |
| 16:56.59 | Maldivia | 5 boomkins with 0 GCD / 0 CD Typhoon, 3 paladins, 2 random |
| 16:57.03 | Fisker | Festergut isn't targetted on a person so no addon can actually pick it up |
| 16:57.07 | foxlit | He doesn't fling it at melee. |
| 16:57.17 | Fisker | i know |
| 16:57.49 | foxlit | So your point is that you won't be able to avoid an attack that shouldn't hit you in the first place? |
| 16:58.04 | Fisker | well do you play as melee? |
| 16:58.10 | Fisker | otherwise you may not understand it |
| 16:58.18 | Lunessa | Most of the encounters in WoW boil down to three things: a) Paying attention, 2) Not standing in the bad shit, 3) movement into, out of, away from or towards something. The rest is just mashing your "make shit die" or "make shit have more health" buttons. |
| 16:58.34 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:58.41 | Shirik | it's sad that we have to word things like this |
| 16:58.43 | Shirik | "The voting will close at one minute past 23:59 UTC on May 27, 2010." |
| 16:58.53 | Shirik | because people suck at knowing where midnight falls |
| 16:59.04 | foxlit | Hey, that's a great way to phrase it. |
| 16:59.17 | Zyn | just tell Blizzard to fucking tune phase 2 on LK 25 heroic and it's all fine |
| 16:59.17 | Fisker | anyway foxlit as a melee you'll sometimes be chasing goo |
| 16:59.19 | Fisker | err |
| 16:59.20 | Fisker | ooze |
| 16:59.35 | Fisker | if you're unlucky you might be approaching an ooze that was previously targetted a place for goo |
| 16:59.51 | foxlit | And be blissfully unaware of the goo flying through the air. |
| 17:00.13 | Fisker | Yes because i always run with my camera facing my character's face then slightly angled up in the air |
| 17:00.17 | Fisker | and not the exact reverse |
| 17:00.17 | Lunessa | Zyn: I'd be happy just to see LK on Normal, k, thanks. |
| 17:00.19 | Fisker | :rolleyes: |
| 17:00.36 | foxlit | Yes, well, you may consider doing that if he casts malleable goo while you're running soaking oozes :) |
| 17:00.38 | Kraps | http://cocoasweety.deviantart.com/art/Jaina-Proudmoore-62189924 |
| 17:01.14 | Lunessa | Aside from the boob-cups, that's really well done. |
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| 17:01.27 | Cide | the boob cups look really weird indeed |
| 17:01.38 | Cide | should have left them out |
| 17:01.49 | Zyn | naked! |
| 17:01.52 | nevcairiel | doesnt look like jaina to me |
| 17:01.56 | nevcairiel | too innocent face |
| 17:02.06 | Lunessa | All she ever wanted to do was study. |
| 17:02.49 | zenzelezz | not sure about innocent, but I would never have guessed it to be Jaina |
| 17:02.57 | zenzelezz | but a good picture nonetheless |
| 17:04.16 | Lopeppeppy | is THRILLED! |
| 17:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | ... budget passed, WITH raises, not salary/benefit cuts. Someone pinch me, I'm dreaming. |
| 17:04.45 | zenzelezz | pinches Lopeppeppy |
| 17:04.50 | zenzelezz | inappropriately |
| 17:04.53 | alestane | And here I was bracing myself for sarcasm. |
| 17:05.02 | alestane | dances in circles with Peppy. |
| 17:05.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yay raise! |
| 17:05.50 | Lopeppeppy | I don't think I'll be earning what I signed for, yet, but hey... lack of cuttings is good. |
| 17:05.59 | alestane | Very muchly so. |
| 17:06.25 | alestane | Probably still can't count on it getting you to BlizzCon, but hey, you don't have to move again! |
| 17:07.54 | alestane | I'm sorry, that didn't come out very cheerful. |
| 17:08.00 | alestane | Yay! Hugs! |
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| 17:08.26 | NightHawkTheSane | jeez alestane, way to be a total killjoy :P |
| 17:09.12 | alestane | Is very good news. I bounce for Peppy. |
| 17:10.52 | Lopeppeppy | I wasn't moving anyway, they actually *lowered* the rent on my place. Finally figured out that having 4 units in my building block empty for over 6 months probably meant they screwed up. |
| 17:11.06 | alestane | Double yay! |
| 17:11.13 | Lopeppeppy | cuddles NHTS. He's joyfulsome! |
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| 17:14.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | fable 3, i stil havent finished fable 2 |
| 17:18.27 | Dagmar | What? |
| 17:19.05 | Dagmar | Oh an "XBox 360 Expletive" title |
| 17:19.29 | Fisker | expletive? |
| 17:19.45 | Dagmar | Yeah as in "@#$@$ if I'm buying an XBox 360 just to play it" |
| 17:19.56 | Fisker | it's coming to pcs as well this time |
| 17:20.06 | Dagmar | Okay, THAT will get my money out |
| 17:20.15 | Dagmar | ...but their website says it's an exclusive title |
| 17:20.32 | Fisker | PC's don't really exist to those people |
| 17:20.49 | Fisker | exclusive = not on sony and nintendo, they all suck |
| 17:21.18 | Dagmar | Looks like it'll be on Games for Windows Live |
| 17:22.49 | Dagmar | Well, if that system stays as insecure as it was, that'll be fine |
| 17:23.18 | Dagmar | Liberating my Fallout DLCs so I don't have to login to Live was a doddle |
| 17:35.15 | jnwhiteh | A-KO^: That's about the most absurd thing I've ever heard someone say |
| 17:35.30 | jnwhiteh | considering Blizzard WROTE the system that allows Clique, and ANY macro to function. |
| 17:35.32 | jnwhiteh | kfail. |
| 17:35.47 | nevcairiel | quote plz. |
| 17:35.53 | jnwhiteh | that is all |
| 17:36.15 | jnwhiteh | 14:39 A-KO^: I'd honestly rather they break the Clique mod than AVR |
| 17:36.15 | jnwhiteh | 14:39 A-KO^: Clique combines two functions together that under the normal UI is only allowed with one |
| 17:36.20 | jnwhiteh | patently false statements |
| 17:36.23 | jnwhiteh | but thanks for playing =) |
| 17:36.28 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 17:36.49 | nevcairiel | two in one? |
| 17:36.49 | jnwhiteh | k, i'm off. |
| 17:36.52 | Stanzilla | epic fail |
| 17:37.06 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: srsly |
| 17:37.08 | nevcairiel | you can also build mouse-over macros, oh well |
| 17:37.09 | nevcairiel | just fail |
| 17:39.30 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
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| 17:40.19 | Fisker | seen froyo and google tv? |
| 17:40.31 | Matsy | JIT compiler |
| 17:40.32 | Matsy | aaaaah |
| 17:40.33 | Matsy | drools |
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| 17:42.21 | Fisker | i'm pretty sure Blizzard WROTE the system that allows camera to function |
| 17:42.24 | Fisker | HIYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 17:44.42 | alestane | And now I think I need to take a nap. |
| 17:51.39 | Kraps | woooo, i got the warcraft archive and a new keyboard! |
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| 17:53.50 | Fisker | that was awesome Kraps |
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| 17:54.32 | Fisker | Now someone is arguing that DirectX is not an API like Steamworks because it sounds different (i.e. Steamworks has something to with multiplayer, matchmaking, etc. and DirectX has something to do with multimedia, gaming, etc.) |
| 17:54.38 | Fisker | "Sure, a sausauge also sounds very different from a pickle, but they're both round, so what is your point?" |
| 17:54.40 | Fisker | BAAAAAAM |
| 17:55.22 | nevcairiel | a pickle is just a vegetarian sausage! |
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| 17:57.23 | Lopeppeppy | .... *gigglesnark* |
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| 17:59.49 | ZorbaBeta | well time to see if I can cajole debian into functionality |
| 18:00.14 | Dagmar | I foolishly disregarded reports that the emergency reflash mechanism in the EEE PC 1000 was slow |
| 18:00.23 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, what, they're trying to claim it's not an API? or they're trying to claim that it's not the same thing? |
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| 18:00.42 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, does "slow" imply "it took a minute to reflash", or "it will take three days to finish"? |
| 18:00.47 | Dagmar | It shouldn't take 10 minutes to flash an eeprom |
| 18:01.10 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: I ignored those people because they said "20-30 minutes". They weren't joking. |
| 18:01.53 | foxlit | Hate how wow's engine fades some objects at some observation angles :/ |
| 18:02.02 | ZorbaBeta | it depends on how big the eeprom is |
| 18:02.16 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, you want to know a setup step that sucks: doing a surface scan of a 1.5tb hard drive over USB |
| 18:02.19 | ZorbaBeta | took about 19 hours |
| 18:02.26 | Dagmar | OUch |
| 18:02.42 | foxlit | Look straight at this bookshelf, and it's empty |
| 18:02.49 | foxlit | Look from an angle, and it has books :/ |
| 18:02.55 | ZorbaBeta | ghost books |
| 18:02.58 | Dagmar | Seriously tho, a 512K flash image shouldn't take but a moment to do |
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| 18:03.08 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, if it's 512kb that shouldn't take long at all |
| 18:03.21 | ZorbaBeta | that's about 300 bytes per second |
| 18:03.24 | Dagmar | I get the feeling that this things ability to read FAT32 while doing it is seriously flawed |
| 18:03.27 | ZorbaBeta | that's, like, old modem speeds |
| 18:03.34 | ZorbaBeta | and I mean old *for a modem* |
| 18:03.45 | Dagmar | Yeah that would be the speed of my first modem |
| 18:04.21 | Dagmar | Being that I've never done this before on this type of unit and I don't know how deeply embedded the emergency reflash mechanism is, I've gotta just suck it up and wait |
| 18:04.50 | Dagmar | I'll be using my ancient 128Mb cruzer for this from now on |
| 18:05.13 | Fisker | ZorbaBeta the thing is |
| 18:05.25 | Fisker | People say "OMG YOU DON'T NEED STEAMWORKS THEREFOR IT SHOULD BE OPTIONAL" |
| 18:05.40 | Fisker | Me: "You don't need DirectX, therefor it should be optional, openGL client pl0x" |
| 18:05.46 | Fisker | People: "BUT ITS NOT THE SAAAAAAAAAME" |
| 18:05.52 | Fisker | I think you can figure out the rest from here |
| 18:05.57 | Dagmar | Fisker: They shoudlnt' buy the steamworks edition if they don't want that |
| 18:06.00 | ZorbaBeta | ah righto |
| 18:06.10 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, some games don't have a non-steamworks edition now |
| 18:06.11 | Fisker | well Dagmar there will only be a steamworks edition :P |
| 18:06.20 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: doesn't realyl bug me that much actually |
| 18:06.46 | Dagmar | Unlike Ubi, a) they're very forthcoming at Valve about what it entails and 2) it doesn't exit the game if your net conneciton drop |
| 18:06.48 | Dagmar | s |
| 18:06.53 | ZorbaBeta | I don't mind either, honestly |
| 18:07.09 | Fisker | I do understand a few of their points though |
| 18:07.12 | Fisker | they just don't bother me |
| 18:07.13 | Dagmar | That last bit is the super-unforgivable about Ubisoft's mechanism |
| 18:07.39 | Fisker | I would be really happy if Steam removed all traces of DRM, and made it work without the client, only for the purpose of not having DRM |
| 18:07.40 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure I've run Torchlight when my net connection is down, as well |
| 18:07.48 | Fisker | But i don't care if they keep it really |
| 18:08.15 | Fisker | also Steam does something GFWL can't figure out! |
| 18:08.33 | Fisker | atleast i think so |
| 18:08.41 | Fisker | Or else it's just their fucked up user-friendlyness |
| 18:08.51 | Fisker | But i do not believe you can use your online saves when offline |
| 18:08.55 | Fisker | or atleast they don't sync up right |
| 18:11.28 | cog|work | rofl@ all the cracks at Apple in the Froyo demo |
| 18:14.11 | Lunessa | craves a cheeseburger |
| 18:14.23 | Dagmar | i can has? |
| 18:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | I can't have it, so someone else has to eat it and tell me it's gooooood. |
| 18:15.01 | Kraps | omg my keyboard is so cute |
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| 18:15.06 | Kraps | <.< |
| 18:15.25 | ZorbaBeta | lope, are you on a bitch of a diet or something? |
| 18:15.40 | Lunessa | peppy-dear, I will eated it and smile and tellz you it was awsumz |
| 18:15.41 | Dagmar | I gotta remove this floppy drive |
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| 18:15.55 | kd3|hate`net | sigh |
| 18:16.03 | Dagmar | I was sitting here mashing the CD eject button and cussing the machine because it wasn't ejecting |
| 18:16.21 | Dagmar | Turns out the optical drive really doesn't care how hard you push the button on the floppy drive |
| 18:16.49 | kd3 | no, I'd expect not |
| 18:19.47 | Dagmar | KInda |
| 18:19.52 | Dagmar | wrongchan |
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| 18:27.23 | Fisker | yeah work|og it's like totally buuuuuuuuuurn |
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| 18:35.06 | zenzelezz | sometimes I wish WoW's guild creation was more like Anarchy Online's, where you just had to fill a team (party) with non-guilded people and you could do it without prompting them :-p |
| 18:35.14 | zenzelezz | hunting down lowbies is annoying |
| 18:38.28 | Lopeppeppy | why are you doing it then? |
| 18:38.43 | zenzelezz | because I want a fancy tag under my name! |
| 18:39.11 | Lopeppeppy | Silly bear. |
| 18:42.06 | olafski | how bad can it be? usually if I spam for about 5 minutes offering 20g per signature I have it done pretty quickly |
| 18:42.15 | zenzelezz | olafski: I'm cheap |
| 18:42.34 | olafski | =( |
| 18:44.43 | Lopeppeppy | really wishes for dreamweaver training. |
| 18:45.01 | alestane | Come take my class! |
| 18:45.16 | zenzelezz | oh no |
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| 18:45.24 | zenzelezz | peppy's having a 1998 flashback |
| 18:45.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm having a headache trying to fix someone else's stuff with not enough product knowledge. |
| 18:49.28 | dolby | hugs the Lopeppeppy |
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| 18:52.17 | Lopeppeppy | thanks, dolby. I just commented out the whole script page and I'm hoping for the best! |
| 18:52.46 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 18:53.02 | zenzelezz | a lot of people don't seem to like the female worgen models... I find them pretty cool |
| 18:53.15 | nevcairiel | its not a worgen |
| 18:53.16 | nevcairiel | its a cat |
| 18:53.36 | zenzelezz | well what did you expect, the male model with a ponytail? |
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| 18:53.54 | nevcairiel | something more worgen'ish |
| 18:53.56 | nevcairiel | not a cat |
| 18:54.25 | zenzelezz | people (in the comments I've read) don't seem able to express what it is they want; only what they don't want |
| 18:54.27 | Kraps | http://www.box.net/shared/bhpb7vb0aj :( |
| 18:54.44 | nevcairiel | I know that i dont want that |
| 18:54.54 | nevcairiel | i'm no artist, so i cant express myself =P |
| 18:55.44 | zenzelezz | Kraps: that site sucks for sharing pictures o_O |
| 18:55.58 | Kraps | i like it |
| 18:56.13 | Zyn | it's awful ... it's true! cause I said it! |
| 18:56.16 | zenzelezz | Flash... just to view a picture! |
| 18:56.29 | Matsy | And that with the new HTML5 features :( |
| 18:56.41 | Mihau | zenzelezz: The original female troll model was pretty much the male model with boobs. |
| 18:56.44 | Kraps | what are you gonna do 'bout it? |
| 18:57.23 | Matsy | Using Twitpic ;) |
| 18:58.06 | zenzelezz | well, all picture sharing sites suck in one way or another |
| 18:58.28 | Matsy | I like the 'send an email to this email address to upload your picture' part of twitpic |
| 18:58.35 | Matsy | But, Picasa is very nice as well |
| 18:58.48 | Matsy | Especially with the neat Android integration. |
| 18:58.51 | Kraps | i dont wanna use twitter |
| 18:59.06 | Matsy | Go for Picasa then :) |
| 18:59.09 | Matsy | or meh |
| 18:59.12 | Matsy | Stick with box.net |
| 18:59.14 | Matsy | It's not too bad. |
| 18:59.25 | Kraps | even though i have an account |
| 18:59.26 | Matsy | It's just all about what one prefers :D |
| 18:59.26 | Lopeppeppy | Use the tools you choose, and use them wisely. |
| 18:59.30 | Matsy | ^ |
| 19:00.41 | NightHawkTheSane | no, there actually is objectively wrong tools to use :P |
| 19:01.09 | Matsy | Any examples, NightHawkTheSane? ;p |
| 19:01.22 | Matsy | (I can think of many as well, but hey, it's always an interesting thing) |
| 19:02.38 | NightHawkTheSane | you dont use a hammer to tighten a bolt. :P |
| 19:02.45 | Matsy | hahahaha |
| 19:02.47 | Matsy | The classic example |
| 19:02.51 | Fisker | cog|work :( |
| 19:02.53 | Matsy | 'You don't eat soup with a fork' |
| 19:02.54 | Fisker | why won't you love me? |
| 19:03.16 | cog|work | there are four lights |
| 19:03.19 | Matsy | Wasn't there some guy with a video eating a bowl of soup with a fork? ;p |
| 19:03.28 | cog|work | i eat ramen with a fork |
| 19:03.28 | NightHawkTheSane | point being, preferences are fine, but part of it is knowing when it really is just the wrong tool. |
| 19:03.36 | cog|work | and then drink the broth |
| 19:03.36 | Matsy | Yeah. |
| 19:03.43 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: good ramen is fare more than soup, though ;) |
| 19:03.52 | NightHawkTheSane | also, shame for using a fork. chopsticks, man! |
| 19:04.01 | NightHawkTheSane | far* |
| 19:04.03 | cog|work | i lied :( |
| 19:04.04 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: are you still talking about me? :p |
| 19:04.09 | cog|work | i use chopsticks |
| 19:04.12 | Matsy | I think it's the more general approach ;p |
| 19:04.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i was ever talkinga bout you? |
| 19:04.40 | Matsy | Anyone here has any experience with usenet streaming by the way? |
| 19:04.52 | Kraps | WHY SO HOSTILE |
| 19:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | cog, we should use chopsticks the next time we eat puffer fish together. |
| 19:11.12 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: my friend needs the Pocket PC 2000 SDK hpc2000sdk.exe and cant find it on MSFT anymore? do you see it on MSDN? |
| 19:12.07 | Lunessa | cog|work: You're a ramen heathen. You must be purged with fire. |
| 19:12.32 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You're a sushi girl? |
| 19:14.15 | Fisker | work|cog |
| 19:17.10 | Lopeppeppy | I what? No Lunessa, do not like the rawness fishes. |
| 19:17.14 | Lopeppeppy | I was teasing cogwheel a bit. |
| 19:17.25 | Lunessa | :D |
| 19:17.30 | cog|work | you tease |
| 19:17.34 | cog|work | rawr |
| 19:17.36 | Matsy | Arrowmaster: can't find it on my MSDN subscription either |
| 19:18.06 | Fisker | Matsy reported for warez |
| 19:18.37 | Lopeppeppy | I fully admit that I'm a dreadful tease. |
| 19:18.40 | Arrowmaster | Matsy: thanks for lookings, MSDNAA or real MSDN? |
| 19:18.44 | Matsy | Both, actually |
| 19:18.47 | Lopeppeppy | Especially where there's puffer fish involved. |
| 19:18.58 | Arrowmaster | k, ive only got an MSDNAA |
| 19:18.59 | Matsy | I would have assumed that it was on the real MSDN, but it's even removed there |
| 19:19.14 | Matsy | They're pretty similar, except for Alpha builds, and Office products |
| 19:19.26 | Matsy | Meh :< |
| 19:19.29 | Arrowmaster | they both still have DOS.... |
| 19:20.19 | Matsy | I don't have DOS on my MSDNAA though |
| 19:20.26 | cog|work | some stuff isn't on MSDN because of lawsuits against MS |
| 19:20.34 | cog|work | e.g. windows 98 because of JScript |
| 19:20.49 | cog|work | or not jscript ... whatever their version of java was |
| 19:20.54 | Arrowmaster | Matsy: really? ive got DOS on my MSDNAA |
| 19:20.54 | zenzelezz | I assume you already googled it? Some results for the file name, but nothing particularly official-looking |
| 19:21.16 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: no, i assume my friend has already googled it |
| 19:21.17 | Lopeppeppy | Chili and corn chips! I can have these things. |
| 19:21.35 | Fisker | i was over it like your mom was over my private parts Arrowmaster |
| 19:22.32 | Matsy | Arrowmaster: Have fun: http://www.hpcfactor.com/downloads/details.asp?r=DC24B86A-1E6A-4DE6-8DAD-6DF7F6BA797A |
| 19:22.44 | Matsy | Need to register an account, but hey, it's there. |
| 19:22.51 | cog|work | hey look! a website about Fisker's mom! http://www.womenwithmustaches.com/ |
| 19:23.19 | Matsy | Or if you don't want to wait: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ICEJHZLX |
| 19:24.52 | Matsy | Or an instant download: http://shay.ecn.purdue.edu/~mobility/download/hpc2k-sdk_usa.exe |
| 19:25.06 | Matsy | Feel free to pick ;) |
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| 19:25.41 | Fisker | i love you cog|work |
| 19:25.52 | Arrowmaster | im going to get yelled at for how i was able to give him 3 different links right after waking up and he couldnt find anything, i just know it |
| 19:26.11 | Matsy | :D |
| 19:26.14 | Matsy | It's a different filename |
| 19:26.17 | Matsy | But it should be exactly what he need |
| 19:26.39 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: you are a pedo arent you |
| 19:27.11 | Kraps | oh hey TC! |
| 19:27.37 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: just followed that deviantart linky |
| 19:27.50 | Kraps | linking that right after i pinged you was a coincidence |
| 19:28.06 | Thunder_Child | suuuuure |
| 19:28.15 | Kraps | ryl :/ |
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| 19:29.08 | Kraps | i just wanted to comment on your photos |
| 19:29.38 | Thunder_Child | i have photos? |
| 19:29.52 | Kraps | found you from shiriks profile |
| 19:30.12 | Thunder_Child | ah, all Shiriks fault then |
| 19:30.43 | Thunder_Child | well, comments are always welcome |
| 19:31.45 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: /* */ |
| 19:32.00 | Thunder_Child | cute |
| 19:39.34 | Matsy | that won't comment anything :( |
| 19:39.34 | Lunessa | haha... Colloquy ate anything I typed that started with /*. |
| 19:39.58 | alestane | Start it with "//", Lunessa, the second one will go through. |
| 19:40.20 | Lunessa | alestane: The humor was all in the timing, so the joke isn't worth it now. :) |
| 19:40.32 | alestane | But just in general. |
| 19:40.53 | Lunessa | *nod* I should have thought to escape it, but I didn't and had a good laugh at myself. |
| 19:40.56 | alestane | If you want a line in IRC to start with a slash, then either start it with a space, or with a double-slash. |
| 19:41.51 | Lopeppeppy | Or get a pigeon to carry it for you. |
| 19:43.54 | Lunessa | Or let Lopeppeppy snark it. |
| 19:47.33 | cog|work | type /say /whatever |
| 19:47.58 | krka | in irssi it's / /blabla |
| 19:48.09 | zenzelezz | mIRC has ctrl+enter, IIRC |
| 19:48.10 | cog|work | /say works in irrssi too |
| 19:48.17 | cog|work | but / / is nice ty :) |
| 19:48.19 | krka | / is shorter :) |
| 19:48.21 | krka | doh |
| 19:48.31 | Cide | foiled |
| 19:48.31 | krka | / / is shorter (written with / / / :P) |
| 19:48.53 | krka | i guess /say is easier to type than / / though |
| 19:49.04 | Lunessa | I'm like a one-eyed cat, peepin in a seafood store... |
| 19:49.07 | Cide | can't you just do //? |
| 19:49.10 | Cide | or does it need a space? |
| 19:49.18 | krka | needs a space in irssi |
| 19:49.18 | cog|work | nope |
| 19:49.22 | Cide | strange |
| 19:49.27 | Cide | // works in xchat |
| 19:49.43 | Cide | seems more logical too |
| 19:50.49 | Fisker | vidi veni i believe |
| 19:52.28 | Lunessa | Google's pacman tribute is cool for aobut 3 seconds |
| 19:52.43 | zenzelezz | Fisker: you saw, you came, you believed? Interesting order |
| 19:59.03 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. lamb.. |
| 19:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: it's pacman, you play it, you realize how repetetive it is, you get bored, and do something else :P |
| 19:59.29 | alestane | Afternoon, Cairenn. |
| 19:59.34 | Cairenn | hey alestane |
| 19:59.52 | Lunessa | NHTS: It's the sound. |
| 19:59.57 | Cairenn | been up for a while, just forgot to change my nick |
| 20:00.20 | alestane | After all, NHTS, what was the first thing that kid said in the 90s after he got a perfect score on Pacman through all 255 levels? |
| 20:00.38 | Lunessa | I've had at least three calls from people at work today who complain that every time they open the browser (one tab being google's page) this awful noise comes out... /facepalm |
| 20:00.45 | Fisker | vidi Cairenn |
| 20:00.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i have my sound muted at work *shrug* |
| 20:00.54 | alestane | "Now I never have to play that game again." |
| 20:01.11 | Lopeppeppy | I'm soooo sorry Lunessa! *hug* |
| 20:01.13 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: heh, i can't even contemplate doing that |
| 20:01.26 | alestane | If you complete the 255th level, the game freezes. |
| 20:01.42 | alestane | And this kid got every fruit, every ghost, everything, without dying once. |
| 20:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | Script kiddies suck. |
| 20:02.19 | alestane | I'm not sure he was actually a kid per se. |
| 20:02.35 | Adys | I have changed my local HTTP server's port from 8080 to 6502. Long live the CPU wars! |
| 20:03.34 | jnwhiteh | so I'm implementing CGI/1.1 |
| 20:03.39 | jnwhiteh | anyone have a reference implementation? |
| 20:03.44 | ZorbaBeta | hey arrowmaster how awesome are you at debugging Xwindows errors? 'cause right now, that's the big thing keeping me from doing a linux release :P |
| 20:03.57 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 20:03.58 | Adys | jnwhiteh: fastcgi is the best to take example on |
| 20:04.11 | jnwhiteh | but the fastcgi implementation/spec is fucked. |
| 20:04.28 | Adys | then look at mod_wsgi |
| 20:04.36 | Adys | but im not sure it 100% matches cgi1.1 |
| 20:04.38 | jnwhiteh | wsgi is a different protocol =) |
| 20:04.50 | jnwhiteh | i'm using the python CGIWebServer module I think |
| 20:05.04 | Adys | out of curiousity why would you implement cgi? |
| 20:05.12 | jnwhiteh | because my web server needs to support it? |
| 20:05.25 | Adys | but then why not implement wsgi instead? |
| 20:05.34 | jnwhiteh | because people still use CGI |
| 20:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Slow clunky script is slooooooo and clunky. Rawr. |
| 20:05.44 | jnwhiteh | WSGI has not seen as wide adoption as you'd might think |
| 20:05.54 | Adys | shrug |
| 20:05.55 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm... lamb shank sandwich |
| 20:06.23 | alestane | Peppy, when I first went to work at BUCEC they had a Word macro that cleaned up all the slides they had pasted into the document to have the same size, margins, etc. |
| 20:06.36 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: i have no clue, but try me |
| 20:06.42 | alestane | It took about five minutes. |
| 20:07.08 | alestane | I spent about half an hour looking at the VBA, and caused it to do the same thing in about three seconds. |
| 20:07.24 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, this is the same project I whined about yesterday. Over and over I clickie! |
| 20:07.37 | alestane | You were doing it by hand yesterday. |
| 20:07.43 | alestane | So isn't this improvement? |
| 20:07.49 | Fisker | so how far is your hero froyo port jnwhiteh ? |
| 20:08.00 | alestane | sends Lopeppeppy a drinking bird. |
| 20:08.42 | ZorbaBeta | arrowmaster, I query X for a set of Visuals that it's supposed to be able to support. I pass one of them into XCreateWindow. XCreateWindow gives me "invalid parameter attributes". Passing in a DefaultVisual works, but then it can't attach a GLX context to it. |
| 20:08.43 | Lopeppeppy | Click > Run delete script. Click > Run. Click > Run. |
| 20:09.16 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: ok i have absolutely no clue |
| 20:09.23 | ZorbaBeta | same here. :P |
| 20:09.28 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/05/play-pac-man-on-googles-homepage.html |
| 20:09.38 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/619243100 |
| 20:09.54 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: try a linux irc channel? |
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| 20:11.25 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that's what I'll do soon, but I've found it to be curiously nonuseful most of the time |
| 20:12.13 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: tried looking at glxgears? |
| 20:12.39 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: given that I have no hero, far =) |
| 20:12.44 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, I'll give it a shot |
| 20:13.32 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:13.39 | ZorbaBeta | well, glxgears runs. |
| 20:13.42 | Fisker | it sucks we have to wait so long for google tv |
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| 20:21.20 | Matsy | jnwhiteh: You're porting Froyo to Hero? |
| 20:21.27 | jnwhiteh | ... no |
| 20:21.29 | jnwhiteh | i could |
| 20:21.30 | Matsy | oh |
| 20:21.31 | jnwhiteh | but why? |
| 20:21.33 | Matsy | There's no source yet? |
| 20:21.41 | jnwhiteh | yes, btu you can run the sdk system |
| 20:21.41 | Matsy | How'd you ever make a stable rom with that? |
| 20:21.43 | jnwhiteh | works mostly |
| 20:21.45 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 20:21.46 | Matsy | 'mostly' is the key |
| 20:21.47 | jnwhiteh | you wait for the source |
| 20:21.48 | jnwhiteh | and compiile it? |
| 20:21.49 | Matsy | Indeed ;p |
| 20:22.01 | Matsy | But the source isn't there yet, and won't be for a while |
| 20:22.12 | ZorbaBeta | adys, <3 |
| 20:22.12 | Matsy | So it's a bit sad |
| 20:22.14 | ZorbaBeta | got it working :D |
| 20:22.19 | Matsy | I'm waiting for my G1 as well |
| 20:22.36 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: grats =) |
| 20:22.39 | Adys | http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.2-rc1 |
| 20:23.03 | Fisker | but giev google tv right jnwhiteh ? |
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| 20:23.19 | Matsy | Google TV <3 |
| 20:24.09 | Fisker | it's a shame we can't get it right away in europe though |
| 20:24.15 | Fisker | they'll roll out in the US first |
| 20:24.20 | Fisker | i'd get it simply for the browser |
| 20:24.25 | Matsy | Yeah |
| 20:24.30 | Matsy | I have Apple TV right now |
| 20:24.31 | Matsy | but meh |
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| 20:24.36 | Matsy | I would want to develop for a Television |
| 20:24.39 | Matsy | instead of silly phones |
| 20:25.50 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 20:25.55 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 20:25.59 | Fisker | teh push to phone tech |
| 20:26.01 | Fisker | it was awesome |
| 20:26.54 | Adys | auth code 777776 |
| 20:26.55 | Adys | :( |
| 20:27.57 | cog|work | zomg what are the chances???!!!one11questionmark |
| 20:28.47 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, if googletv can pull from network shares, i'll consider that |
| 20:28.53 | NightHawkTheSane | but until then, it's not the solution i want. |
| 20:29.59 | Matsy | Of course it will be able to |
| 20:33.28 | jnwhiteh | I use XBMC on my AppleTV |
| 20:33.32 | jnwhiteh | because Boxee fucking crashes |
| 20:33.34 | jnwhiteh | its so much nicer |
| 20:33.38 | jnwhiteh | but fucking crashes all the time. |
| 20:33.48 | Matsy | Boxee crashes? |
| 20:33.49 | Matsy | What |
| 20:33.53 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 20:33.57 | jnwhiteh | i start an episode |
| 20:34.01 | jnwhiteh | or even go over it in the selector |
| 20:34.02 | jnwhiteh | and it crashes. |
| 20:34.05 | jnwhiteh | fucking infuritating. |
| 20:34.09 | Matsy | ... |
| 20:34.10 | Matsy | wow |
| 20:34.14 | Matsy | I use Boxee as well |
| 20:34.18 | Matsy | and.. it just works perfectly here |
| 20:34.34 | jnwhiteh | on AppleTV? |
| 20:34.36 | jnwhiteh | I can send you a file |
| 20:34.37 | Matsy | yeah |
| 20:34.38 | jnwhiteh | and you can test with it =) |
| 20:34.44 | jnwhiteh | I'd love for it to not suck |
| 20:34.46 | Matsy | What kind of file is it? :) |
| 20:35.02 | Matsy | And sure, I'll test it out |
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| 20:35.59 | jnwhiteh | link sent |
| 20:36.01 | jnwhiteh | its not porn |
| 20:36.02 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 20:36.47 | Adys | :( |
| 20:37.09 | Adys | Jerub: ping |
| 20:42.58 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: i was having similar issues, and i forget exactly what fixed it.. I /think/ it had somethign to do with disabling preview generation |
| 20:45.03 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 20:45.10 | jnwhiteh | Matsy: do you have that enabled? =) |
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| 20:47.44 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah 'automatic generation of thumbnails' i think is the option |
| 20:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | try disabling that if you haven't (and maybe clear out your user data) |
| 20:48.06 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/oh-god-mmo-champion-got-hacked/ |
| 20:48.58 | Bibi | catchy titles are catchy. |
| 20:49.07 | Bibi | I'm pretty sure I'll end up getting more traffic today |
| 20:49.14 | Bibi | my plan worked perfectly |
| 20:49.20 | Adys | SEO mon |
| 20:50.32 | NightHawkTheSane | idly wonders if anyone with an appletv HASN'T modded it to run boxee/xbmc |
| 20:51.28 | Fisker | vidi veni NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:52.11 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/25026662761/what-zarhym-said/ |
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| 20:55.27 | Fisker | i'm playing the game Kraps |
| 20:55.51 | Kraps | but you just lost it |
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| 20:57.39 | pgrace | hey, would any of you know how Healbot is able to target a player via an addon? I was trying to write a small function to target a user based on whether they had a buff applied, but am stalled now that I have come to the sobering realization that SetTarget() is a protected function. I'm looking for other options, and HealBot seems able to do it, which makes me wonder, how? |
| 20:58.30 | pgrace | I've grepped through the HealBot source looking for hints, but so far have come up with nothing |
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| 21:01.07 | foxlit | " to target a user based on whether they had a buff applied," << This is not possible by design. |
| 21:01.40 | foxlit | You'll notice that healbot always targets a particular player when you press a particular button. |
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| 21:02.27 | pgrace | right, if you mouseover area x, and click the assigned button, it will assign that target. |
| 21:02.38 | pgrace | how does it do that without SetTarget? |
| 21:02.41 | foxlit | You can achieve /that/ behavior through the use of http://www.wowwiki.com/SecureTemplates ; but you won't be able to do anything based on which buffs are applied. |
| 21:02.53 | Kraps | can someone tell me why the text in Steam is all wonky? http://www.box.net/shared/6cy6n6l7c7 |
| 21:02.53 | kd3 | sighs |
| 21:02.56 | pgrace | ok, I'll check thout. |
| 21:03.08 | kd3 | a call to ma bell and things look like they're working |
| 21:03.12 | kd3 | ponders some more |
| 21:03.41 | zenzelezz | ma bell? |
| 21:03.58 | Seerah | Michele ma bell? |
| 21:04.14 | kd3 | ~wiki Ma Bell |
| 21:05.14 | kd3 | was born after the divestiture but still calls his telco Ma Bell |
| 21:05.52 | Arrowmaster | haste: i had previously been neglecting to play perfect cherry blossom up until now, holy shit stage 4 is hard |
| 21:06.00 | pgrace | foxlit: OK, I see what you're saying -- the targeting is tightly integrated into the UI element, not so much that the lua code is making it happen |
| 21:06.35 | Lunessa | Seerah: I <3 that you jumped right to a Beatles tune. |
| 21:06.45 | Seerah | :D |
| 21:06.55 | Seerah | now it's stuck in my head |
| 21:08.47 | alestane | These are words that go together well. |
| 21:09.11 | pgrace | foxlit: I think I have a way to make what i want work based on this, thanks. I'll do more research. |
| 21:09.40 | Seerah | it's the "based on a buff" part that you can't do. unless you're modifying your goal |
| 21:11.07 | pgrace | well, I was amused by a blogger's message about casting renew on the entire raid, and I thought that I might be able to write a mod that would choose a random player, check their buffs, see if they've got renew on, and if not, target them so I can cast the renew. failing that, I'm wondering if I can use the secure frames to have it do a similar function. |
| 21:11.16 | pgrace | this is more of an academic exercise at this point |
| 21:12.08 | pgrace | but based on this SecureActionButton, what I'm thinking is such a mod could be written that when you click it, it would attempt to cast the spell then change the unit attribute |
| 21:12.12 | alestane | Secure frames are specifically prevented from using the presence of a buff to select their actions. |
| 21:12.14 | ZorbaBeta | oh awesome |
| 21:12.17 | NightHawkTheSane | im pretty sure automating that is explicitly what the system is deisnged to prevent |
| 21:12.25 | ZorbaBeta | now that it works on old glibc, it no longer works on newer systems |
| 21:12.28 | Seerah | an addon cannot target a unit arbitrarily without a hardware event (you press a button, click, etc.) |
| 21:12.28 | pgrace | night: I would agree with you |
| 21:12.34 | ZorbaBeta | with the same damn x error that I just fixed |
| 21:12.38 | pgrace | seerah: right, I was still intending to bring the click. |
| 21:13.15 | Seerah | you also cannot have just one button update to have the target for you to click - can't update that in combat |
| 21:13.18 | pgrace | seerah: one trigger would equal a search of all raid members, a check with unitbuff, and if no renew, some method to set target. |
| 21:13.23 | pgrace | AHH |
| 21:13.25 | pgrace | there's the rub. |
| 21:13.44 | pgrace | if you can't update it in combat, that pretty much limits the efficacy |
| 21:13.45 | Seerah | you would have to have it highlight the raid frames or have a button for each raid member |
| 21:13.57 | pgrace | yeah, at that point why not just use healbot or vuhdo |
| 21:14.00 | Seerah | hence why HealBot has a spot for everyone |
| 21:14.09 | pgrace | right, gotcha. |
| 21:14.12 | alestane | You actually can have a button that tries to buff someone in the group who doesn't have the buff, but it only works outside of combat. |
| 21:14.43 | NightHawkTheSane | healbot is basically just a combination of grid+clickcasting, yeah? |
| 21:14.59 | Seerah | *poke* I said "in combat" :) I'm assuming he wants it for in combat, since it's for Renew |
| 21:15.10 | pgrace | yup. |
| 21:15.20 | NightHawkTheSane | doing things outside of combat is barely useful :P |
| 21:15.24 | pgrace | it's too bad, that'd be a really fun toy to be lazy with |
| 21:15.35 | alestane | Hence why it's not blocked, NHtS. |
| 21:15.40 | Seerah | "to be lazy with" which is why it's not possible |
| 21:15.49 | pgrace | sure |
| 21:16.04 | Vangual | you're like 3-4 years late. :) |
| 21:16.07 | Seerah | 2.0 broke all mods that allowed the player to sit back and let mods/macros play the game for them |
| 21:16.07 | pgrace | hahaha |
| 21:16.27 | Seerah | because Blizz's stance is "UI not AI" |
| 21:17.00 | pgrace | Yeah, like I said, it was a thought exercise. I fundamentally don't believe in the priest "Always Be Casting" mindset that seems to be perpetuated on the blogs lately |
| 21:17.02 | alestane | Since 2006/12/06, Vangual. |
| 21:17.26 | NightHawkTheSane | well |
| 21:17.32 | Seerah | so almost 3.5 - that's inside the 3-4 year window :) |
| 21:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | there's no reason NOT to always be casting, because its so hard to go oom |
| 21:17.37 | pgrace | you're not there to have a high overheal number, you're there to keep people alive, but, eh. |
| 21:17.54 | Vangual | i see my subconscious mind counts every day exactly since I lost my beloved DoTheRightThing button :( |
| 21:18.02 | pgrace | vangual: AHHAHAHA |
| 21:18.03 | pgrace | nice. |
| 21:18.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Vangual: i had one of those on my tank. it was awesome |
| 21:18.41 | NightHawkTheSane | I think t he only thing i hadn't added into it before 2.0 was automatically hitting zerker rage as needed |
| 21:19.13 | Vangual | stuff like LazyRogue was awesome fun to write scripts for but extremely close to botting |
| 21:19.29 | haste | Arrowmaster: you should give th11 a whirl, it's much more fast-paced :P |
| 21:19.31 | pgrace | So THATS why I kept getting my butt handed to me by rogues pre 2.0! |
| 21:20.05 | Vangual | yea, it had alternating combat scripts and even decided on actions based on a time-to-death-estimator of some kind. |
| 21:20.08 | Arrowmaster | haste: i dont have th11 |
| 21:20.22 | pgrace | Does anyone else here use Spartan? |
| 21:20.35 | haste | Arrowmaster: then fetch it the same way as you fetched the older versions :P |
| 21:20.47 | pgrace | I'm wondering what happened to the pretty animated mana/health bars in recent releases. |
| 21:21.09 | Vangual | they introduced an animation api |
| 21:21.14 | alestane | Probably the changes to tiling, pgrace, which means they can probably come back in Cataclysm. |
| 21:21.19 | pgrace | used to look almost like water pouring into the bar |
| 21:21.27 | zenzelezz | pgrace: sounds like the bars took a more spartan style |
| 21:21.27 | pgrace | ahh, I'll have to wait for that |
| 21:21.34 | pgrace | zenzelezz: har har. |
| 21:21.45 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: that was really terrible |
| 21:21.54 | Arrowmaster | haste: i got the [nixx] torrents for the older ones which were already extracted and came with playonlinux scripts (im not actually using those right now, i wrote my own scripts to use xinit) |
| 21:22.11 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: you've seen nothing yet |
| 21:22.11 | haste | Arrowmaster: tokyotosho |
| 21:22.29 | Arrowmaster | i dont know which come with english patches and such already applied |
| 21:23.17 | haste | Arrowmaster: oh, I don't play with english patches :P |
| 21:23.38 | pgrace | I keep trying to motivate myself to get all the old azeroth achievements prior to the cataclysm. One of these nights. |
| 21:23.45 | Cloudwolf | hmm i wish it was possible to set individual volumes for differnt applications based on system volume.... |
| 21:23.55 | pgrace | cloud: you can in windows 7... |
| 21:24.12 | Cloudwolf | im on xp on this computer |
| 21:24.17 | cog|work | Shirik: ping |
| 21:24.26 | pgrace | cloud: upgrade time! |
| 21:24.28 | cog|work | or Cairenn or dolby |
| 21:24.29 | haste | Arrowmaster: you want æ±æ¹å°é殿 and http://www.gensokyo.org/th11e_patch_1.0a.exe apparantly |
| 21:24.38 | Cairenn | cog|work: ? |
| 21:24.52 | dolby | yes? |
| 21:24.58 | haste | Arrowmaster: dunno how th12 is, been slacking lately and didn't poke anyone to fetch me a copy this year |
| 21:26.00 | Cloudwolf | th11? th12? |
| 21:26.34 | haste | Cloudwolf: much easier to say th11 than æ±æ¹å°é殿 subterranean animism |
| 21:26.45 | Cloudwolf | I just have no idea what any of it is lol |
| 21:27.23 | Arrowmaster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touhou_Project |
| 21:27.26 | haste | Cloudwolf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEf1D8tG1hE |
| 21:27.33 | Arrowmaster | and im not seeing th11 on tokyotosho |
| 21:28.21 | haste | I'm not seeing tokyotosho here actually |
| 21:28.29 | haste | oh wait, there it popped |
| 21:28.37 | Arrowmaster | using .info right? |
| 21:28.41 | haste | tried both |
| 21:29.00 | haste | æ±æ¹å°é殿 givet four game hits |
| 21:29.01 | Spejnar | if you spellreflect a 100% crit lava burst is the 100% crit calculated on you(due to flame shock) or the caster? |
| 21:29.18 | haste | two demo, two full |
| 21:30.47 | Arrowmaster | iso+rr3? |
| 21:30.50 | Arrowmaster | whats rr3 |
| 21:30.56 | Matsy | jnwhiteh: Any luck? |
| 21:31.04 | haste | Arrowmaster: some rar checksum thingy |
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| 21:33.16 | alestane | Haipeppy. |
| 21:33.48 | Sixen | Hai2u Peppy |
| 21:33.52 | Sixen | And alestane :P. |
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| 21:39.00 | Lopeppeppy | Well hello there, Sixen. Heya again, alestane. |
| 21:39.30 | Sixen | =) |
| 21:42.05 | Lopeppeppy | Hungry Peppy is about to eat a cat raw... hurry up, dinner! |
| 21:42.08 | Adys | heya Sixen |
| 21:42.39 | Sixen | Hai Adys! |
| 21:44.37 | Thunder_Child | mmm...raw cat |
| 21:45.17 | Thunder_Child | you can buy canned and dry cat at the ralphs near me |
| 21:45.31 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 21:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | I have to admit, Cogwheel, that would test my resolve to "always try anything that's not deadly"... |
| 21:45.56 | Thunder_Child | yea, i really need to take a picture of that |
| 21:45.57 | Lopeppeppy | Could not eat Kendra! |
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| 21:47.16 | cog|work | i couldn't eat a specific cat, but i'd be willing to eat cat in general. |
| 21:47.47 | alestane | One college classmate of mine apparently had her family dog caught and eaten while her family was stationed in Korea. |
| 21:48.56 | cog|work | and a specific cat doesn't fit the other part of my statement "anything that's generally accepted as food by some culture" (well, at least, i don't THINK there are any cultures that accept my particular cats as food) |
| 21:49.00 | cog|work | ;) |
| 21:49.09 | cog|work | alestane: aww :( |
| 21:49.28 | alestane | Since they have no qualms about eating dog over there. |
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| 21:49.46 | Aqua | and blizzzard kills AVR |
| 21:49.55 | cog|work | oldnews? |
| 21:49.56 | cog|work | >< |
| 21:49.59 | Thunder_Child | very |
| 21:50.03 | Aqua | sorry just got my internet back |
| 21:50.06 | Aqua | realiable after a week |
| 21:50.26 | alestane | There was also an episode of "Dave's World" where the exchange student cooks their pet rabbit, and everyone thinks it's fantastic until they found out where it came from. |
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| 21:51.04 | alestane | Except that then the mom kept trying to get the pet store to sell her more rabbits so she could make it again. |
| 21:51.30 | Sixen | cog, you're so cool. |
| 21:51.46 | Aqua | rabbit's a good meal cooked right |
| 21:51.51 | Fisker | hey Sixen |
| 21:51.53 | Fisker | not so hey cog|work |
| 21:52.05 | Sixen | hai fiskaaar |
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| 21:52.38 | kd3 | eesh. the remote AH is now on all realms |
| 21:52.44 | kd3 | waits for the market to collapse |
| 21:53.10 | cog|work | slaps Fisker around with a large Sixen |
| 21:53.38 | alestane | You cna't buy stuff across realms, can you? |
| 21:54.07 | cog|work | sure, for $25... |
| 21:54.21 | kd3 | I'm more worried about the fact that botting is going to be rampant |
| 21:54.35 | kd3 | no mandated physical clicks to purchase auctions here |
| 21:54.42 | Sixen | Fisker got slapped by a large me. |
| 21:55.48 | Kraps | better not think about that too deeply Sixen |
| 21:55.57 | Sixen | ;) |
| 21:57.03 | ZorbaBeta | hey arrowmaster, you around and willing to test a linux build? |
| 21:57.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 21:57.21 | Fisker | Helllo mr. Antiarc |
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| 21:58.03 | Fisker | kd3 how silly is that? |
| 21:58.04 | ZorbaBeta | http://cams.pavlovian.net/games/K0R-0.8.tgz |
| 21:58.08 | Fisker | Everything Blizzard does is good |
| 21:58.17 | alestane | Can you cancel an auction from the web AH, or only buy one? |
| 21:58.33 | Fisker | both |
| 21:58.37 | alestane | Or post one, for that matter? |
| 21:58.50 | Fisker | ialso post |
| 21:58.53 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: 404 |
| 21:58.55 | ZorbaBeta | all three |
| 21:59.26 | ZorbaBeta | odd, it vanished. try again :P |
| 22:01.35 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: crashed, dump sent |
| 22:02.15 | ZorbaBeta | looks like it can't find an opengl context with doublebuffering, color, and a depth buffer |
| 22:02.34 | Arrowmaster | i do have compositing enabled |
| 22:03.17 | ZorbaBeta | out of curiosity, I don't know what distro you're using, but can you grab glxgears and see if it runs? (on debian and ubuntu it's in the mesa-utils package) |
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| 22:03.57 | Arrowmaster | have it, what do i need to do |
| 22:04.49 | ZorbaBeta | open console, run "glxgears" |
| 22:04.54 | Arrowmaster | it works |
| 22:04.56 | ZorbaBeta | huh |
| 22:04.57 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.58 | Fisker | hiyooooooo |
| 22:05.08 | ZorbaBeta | yeah I got no idea, I pretty much copied the startup code directly from them |
| 22:05.14 | Kraps | i forgot how win TF2 was |
| 22:05.52 | ZorbaBeta | I think right now I'm calling it "good enough", I'll work on it more for the next project. it runs on a bunch of different OSes, it doesn't require glibc 2.11, s'all good. |
| 22:06.01 | ZorbaBeta | Thanks, I'll ask again when I've put more work into it :) |
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| 22:06.35 | Arrowmaster | will you come back to your old projects when you finally figure out how to get everything working on linux? |
| 22:06.51 | ZorbaBeta | Nope. I don't try to preserve backwards compatibility in my library |
| 22:07.07 | ZorbaBeta | the old stuff won't end up ported forward, unless someday I decide to go and bring it all up-to-date |
| 22:07.17 | kd3 | sigh |
| 22:07.37 | ZorbaBeta | which may or may never happen, since it'd be a significant amount of work - I'm going to be replacing the entire sound and rendering layers in a few versions, for example ;) |
| 22:08.30 | Fisker | what's up kd3 ? |
| 22:09.06 | Lopeppeppy | kd3 has some serious hate tonight. /comfort |
| 22:09.21 | kd3 | it's been about 28 hours now |
| 22:09.33 | kd3 | now if only the phone techs would show up |
| 22:09.52 | Lopeppeppy | Ooof. I'm sorry that it's a general internet thingie. Lazy damn ferrets |
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| 22:15.41 | Adys | kd3: whats been 28 hrs? |
| 22:15.59 | kd3 | net connectivity being shot to crap |
| 22:16.10 | Shirik | hasn't it been closer to 2-3 years? |
| 22:16.22 | kd3 | meh, it's been decent recently |
| 22:17.21 | Shirik | ooh |
| 22:17.26 | Shirik | pgsql vulnerability released today |
| 22:17.34 | Shirik | ADYS, WHERE'S YOUR BELOVED PGSQL NOW |
| 22:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | software has bugs; news at 11 |
| 22:18.02 | Shirik | not mysql |
| 22:18.04 | Shirik | mysql is god |
| 22:18.09 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 22:18.14 | kd3 | like oracle's going to let it live? |
| 22:18.38 | Shirik | yeah I've been worried about that actually :( |
| 22:19.32 | Lopeppeppy | Eeeeep! |
| 22:20.07 | olafski | mysql is god :S |
| 22:20.10 | olafski | I must've missed something |
| 22:20.23 | Adys | Shirik: mysql is going to hell |
| 22:20.28 | Adys | does that mean god is going to hell? |
| 22:20.32 | Lopeppeppy | I'm getting reeeeealy tired of all the maternity leaves coming up in October/November/December! Rawr. |
| 22:20.44 | Adys | postgres wins |
| 22:20.52 | kd3 | lope; everyone getting busy at the same time every year? |
| 22:20.52 | Adys | i hope it gets unsigned type support soon |
| 22:21.14 | Adys | kd3: summer is a boring time |
| 22:21.21 | Lopeppeppy | Must have been some kind of freak snowstorm, this is the third person due within a 3 week range of each other at work. |
| 22:23.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: sounds like valentines day fun maybe? |
| 22:23.15 | NightHawkTheSane | thinks he did his math right |
| 22:23.33 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh, romance. |
| 22:23.41 | Shirik | ^ |
| 22:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, tell me about it. |
| 22:25.12 | Lopeppeppy | Tramps. |
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| 22:32.21 | ZorbaBeta | hey arrowmaster, what OS are you using? |
| 22:34.46 | airtonix | FisherPrice |
| 22:36.57 | Thunder_Child | sadlt even fisherprice cant make a stupid proof OS |
| 22:37.00 | Thunder_Child | sadly* |
| 22:37.58 | haste | ZorbaBeta: playonlinux was mentioned |
| 22:40.11 | airtonix | lol |
| 22:40.44 | airtonix | actually playonlinux is good for running seperate versions of wine via gui...thats about it though |
| 22:41.14 | haste | it was mentioned, not used :P |
| 22:41.47 | iamcal | is there anyone from curseforge in this channel? i've been waiting for a file to be approved on one addon for over a week, but files i've uploaded since have been approved. |
| 22:42.07 | airtonix | is it a virus ? |
| 22:42.28 | Pytlask | laughs |
| 22:42.55 | Lopeppeppy | Did you try the #CurseForge channel? *grin* |
| 22:43.02 | haste | curseforge approves uploads? |
| 22:43.49 | foxlit | For syndication, yes. |
| 22:43.55 | foxlit | On non-experimental projects. |
| 22:44.04 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: debian squeeze (testing) |
| 22:44.09 | airtonix | you are infected |
| 22:44.28 | airtonix | farm fresh milk |
| 22:45.08 | Arrowmaster | haste, airtonix: imho if the majority of the playonlinux stuff wasnt written in french i might consider it usable |
| 22:45.40 | Arrowmaster | seriously who the fuck uses french env variables |
| 22:46.06 | airtonix | its lol.... bit like the ubuntu channel now... mostly non english people trying to create english sentences for requests for help which end up being more like statements... |
| 22:48.18 | airtonix | http://myspace.roflposters.com/images/rofl/myspace/1203303887398.jpg.[roflposters.com].myspace.jpg |
| 22:48.26 | airtonix | annoying brazilians in aion ^ |
| 22:51.30 | haste | Arrowmaster: the french? |
| 22:51.43 | Arrowmaster | dont get snippy with me |
| 22:52.26 | haste | I don't really see any use in playonlinux tho':P |
| 22:52.52 | haste | generally it uses really ancient versions of wine for stuff, even if new ones will work and improve stability/performance |
| 22:52.53 | airtonix | its for commandlinephobes |
| 22:53.15 | Arrowmaster | all i really want is something to help organize the .desktop files from wine so i dont have to edit each and every one of them if i want to move stuff around |
| 22:53.52 | haste | people use .desktop files?! |
| 22:54.01 | airtonix | Arrowmaster does |
| 22:54.27 | Arrowmaster | only for steam it seems, ive just been launching everything else from the console |
| 22:55.22 | Arrowmaster | but then most other things ive also got scripts using xinit to spawn a new X |
| 22:55.32 | haste | why a new X :P ? |
| 22:55.41 | Arrowmaster | fullscreen |
| 22:55.51 | airtonix | ._. |
| 22:55.59 | haste | uhm? |
| 22:56.03 | airtonix | lol |
| 22:56.12 | Arrowmaster | i dont like things changing my desktops resolution |
| 22:56.19 | airtonix | it does ? |
| 22:56.24 | haste | some does |
| 22:56.36 | haste | I have screen on my laptop while playing |
| 22:56.38 | Arrowmaster | also ctrl-alt-f7/ctrl-alt-f8 works better than alt-tab! |
| 22:56.41 | airtonix | the fail of windows programmers |
| 22:56.46 | haste | no it doesn't Arrowmaster ! |
| 22:56.52 | Arrowmaster | does too! |
| 22:56.53 | haste | but I don't have alt-tab |
| 22:57.07 | haste | I have Super-`seq 1 9` |
| 22:57.21 | Arrowmaster | starcraft2 didnt crash when i used ctrl-alt-f7/f8 like it did when i tried to alt-tab |
| 22:57.40 | haste | it doesn't crash when I change virtual desktop at least |
| 22:58.22 | Arrowmaster | running it in windowed maximized? |
| 22:58.35 | Arrowmaster | when i tried that it didnt exactly 'maximize' |
| 22:59.05 | haste | I run it in fullscreen |
| 22:59.27 | Arrowmaster | needs to see if he can get his n52 working so he might have a chance at sc2 |
| 23:00.12 | haste | I do run wow in windowed+maximized, since synergy really hates fullscreen in wow :P |
| 23:09.05 | tem | Bibi, ping |
| 23:13.22 | Adys | tem: pong |
| 23:13.28 | Adys | (hes asleep) |
| 23:13.54 | tem | Have you guys considered an iphone app or at least a mobile (touchscreen) version of the site? |
| 23:13.56 | airtonix | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/tinfoilhat.xml |
| 23:14.10 | tem | reading the news on my phone is unbearable |
| 23:14.32 | airtonix | get a better phone |
| 23:14.56 | tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.15 | airtonix | denial is the first stage |
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| 23:15.38 | Adys | tem: you can try http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/oh-god-mmo-champion-got-hacked/?action=printpage :p |
| 23:15.47 | Adys | but |
| 23:16.07 | Adys | there should be a phone version with vbulletin |
| 23:16.46 | airtonix | shhh |
| 23:19.55 | Adys | tem: ah here |
| 23:19.56 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/?wap |
| 23:19.57 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/?wap2 |
| 23:20.00 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/?imode |
| 23:20.13 | Adys | lol, dont click that last one* |
| 23:24.22 | Cide | oh and also i want to at least in one game use a nydus worm to pop out with drones and steel someones minerals hahaha |
| 23:24.23 | Cide | win |
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| 23:27.11 | Thunder_Child | you know, it would be really nice if there was some way to know what the dungeon timer cooldown was at |
| 23:33.11 | airtonix | there is |
| 23:33.43 | tem | Adys, the problem isn't bandwidth |
| 23:33.52 | tem | it's fitting the content to the smaller screen |
| 23:34.52 | Adys | tem: i dont have anything else for now; but with vb ill mention it if it's not builtin |
| 23:35.19 | tem | so, what you're telling me is that I should just learn to make iphone apps and make it myself |
| 23:35.31 | tem | and then sell it to you |
| 23:35.35 | tem | to sell to people |
| 23:35.44 | tem | or something |
| 23:35.52 | airtonix | 'or something' |
| 23:36.56 | Adys | tem: we're waiting on a vbulletin port of the site |
| 23:37.04 | Adys | until we have that theres nothing anyone can really do |
| 23:37.29 | tem | what is it now? |
| 23:37.30 | tem | phpbb? |
| 23:37.46 | tem | oh SMF |
| 23:37.50 | tem | what's wrong with SMF? |
| 23:38.11 | airtonix | lol |
| 23:38.17 | Adys | doesnt scale, shitty tools, old version, horrible code |
| 23:38.29 | Adys | also its php if thats not wrong enough but vb isnt better on that matter |
| 23:38.33 | airtonix | it's for simple people |
| 23:39.02 | tem | airtonix, who are you and why should I give a flying fuck about your opinion? |
| 23:39.10 | airtonix | ragemoar |
| 23:39.29 | NightHawkTheSane | breaks shit |
| 23:39.46 | tem | Adys, ah. I've never dealt with SMF personally, but I had heard that it was decent. |
| 23:40.14 | Adys | its decent for startups |
| 23:40.27 | airtonix | and if you have a phobia of coding |
| 23:41.09 | tem | Thunder_Child, under some circumstances, it will show you your cd when you try to queue with a big overlay |
| 23:41.19 | tem | but I havne't figured out what those circumstances are |
| 23:41.30 | tem | and afaik, the base ui doesn't show it anywhere else |
| 23:41.48 | tem | it should be trivial to display via an addon, though |
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| 23:43.45 | Thunder_Child | tem: be that as it may it should really be in the base UI |
| 23:43.53 | tem | obviously |
| 23:44.20 | tem | what I was getting at when I said "under some circumstances" is that it's likely a bug that it doesn't display when you try to queue at any time that you or anyone in your group is on cooldown |
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