| 00:00.30 | Fisker | have to goldcap my character on the PTR |
| 00:00.33 | Fisker | for not apparent reason |
| 00:00.50 | WobWork | Antiarc: the only limitation I can think of, is if you have to include an authenticator code with every transaction |
| 00:01.04 | Antiarc | WobWork: If you do that'll be effective |
| 00:01.13 | Antiarc | But I can still just use that data for manual market projections |
| 00:01.17 | WobWork | Antiarc: and with various emulators, that could be bypassed |
| 00:01.22 | Antiarc | That's true |
| 00:01.32 | Antiarc | I've got the android emulator running as we speak for different purposes |
| 00:01.36 | Fisker | why would they do such a thing WobWork ? |
| 00:01.43 | WobWork | Fisker: cause they want money? |
| 00:02.02 | WobWork | silly Fisker. Money is for scriptkiddies! |
| 00:02.03 | Fisker | i mean require authenticator login |
| 00:02.12 | Fisker | since everyone else could just not use an authenticator |
| 00:02.16 | WobWork | as a limitation towards botting |
| 00:02.35 | WobWork | for the AH thing in general |
| 00:02.49 | Fisker | oh |
| 00:02.56 | Fisker | well you'd need an authenticator then? :( |
| 00:03.12 | Torhal | kneecaps Fisker with a cup of frozen yogurt. |
| 00:03.21 | WobWork | delicious pain |
| 00:03.44 | Fisker | wtf |
| 00:03.53 | Fisker | there's like a few hundred battered hilts on ptr for like 500g :P |
| 00:03.54 | Cide | pretty sure the algorithm to generate auth tokens isn't that difficult |
| 00:04.00 | Cide | you just need the secret |
| 00:04.30 | Dagmar | FIsker: Looks like there was a big payout for someone who realized they weren't being chagred for the things they bought |
| 00:04.32 | WobWork | Cide: I believe that follows for -most- authentication schemes =P |
| 00:04.37 | Cide | right |
| 00:04.40 | Dagmar | ...and probably the items weren't being removed from the AH listing either |
| 00:04.45 | Cide | but it means that it's very easy to circumvent |
| 00:05.03 | WobWork | well, non trivial |
| 00:05.07 | Cide | the secret isn't that difficult to find if you have the key generated installed in a sandboxed environment |
| 00:05.31 | Dagmar | Compared to what? Putting out the sun with whizzing? |
| 00:05.39 | WobWork | As I said earlier, relatively easy to circumvent |
| 00:05.46 | Cide | compared to a lot of things |
| 00:05.47 | Dagmar | np-completeness hits you hard in teh face |
| 00:05.51 | Fisker | so what are you using teh emulator for Antiarc ? |
| 00:05.55 | WobWork | but one of the simpler ways of limiting the botting |
| 00:05.59 | Cide | why would np-completeness hit me? |
| 00:06.05 | Fisker | frozen yoghurt? |
| 00:06.10 | WobWork | because the framework is already in place |
| 00:06.11 | Dagmar | Because the secret is based on strong crypto |
| 00:06.14 | Antiarc | Fisker: Learning android development |
| 00:06.38 | Dagmar | It's entirely non-trivial to try to determine the secret |
| 00:07.02 | Cide | even with access to all the memory, the assembled code and the generator contained in a sandboxed environment? |
| 00:07.08 | Fisker | aww anti |
| 00:07.11 | Fisker | baw |
| 00:07.12 | Fisker | ah |
| 00:07.13 | Fisker | bah |
| 00:07.15 | Dagmar | ...and that does you no good for compromising anything |
| 00:07.22 | Fisker | i should rest |
| 00:07.23 | Dagmar | ...since you only have the one secret *your* authenticator has |
| 00:07.28 | Fisker | (for just a moment) |
| 00:07.35 | Cide | which is all you need to generate the codes yourself |
| 00:07.40 | Dagmar | Sure |
| 00:07.48 | Cide | which is what we're talking about |
| 00:08.37 | Fisker | http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1274313551121.jpg heh |
| 00:08.38 | Dagmar | 'cept it would be easier to buy a max, install the iPhone SDK and run the authenticator on that |
| 00:08.41 | WobWork | what -are- we talking about? |
| 00:08.46 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc, WobWork: cant you just cache the session info and cookies like a normal browser does so you dont have to login and use an authenticator code for every transaction? |
| 00:09.06 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: I was suggesting that each transaction require an auth code |
| 00:09.06 | Cide | Dagmar: easier, sure |
| 00:09.08 | Dagmar | s/max/mac/; |
| 00:09.23 | Dagmar | Remote keypress, screenshot, OCR, done. |
| 00:09.46 | Cide | but say blizzard required an authenticator token for every AH armory request |
| 00:09.50 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: I am caching the cookies :) |
| 00:09.52 | Fisker | why does 4chan have froyo when i don't? :( |
| 00:10.01 | Cide | it'd be worth your while to just figure out the secret of your local android/iphone app |
| 00:10.03 | WobWork | It would cut down on the script kiddy abuse |
| 00:10.06 | Cide | and programatically generate that |
| 00:10.11 | Arrowmaster | WobWork: does blizzards little in browser web app interface require a code for every request? |
| 00:10.18 | Cide | no |
| 00:10.30 | Dagmar | Cide: I don't know if that would be worthwhile since it wouldn't take more than a day to set up an emu-based ocr hack |
| 00:10.30 | Cide | I believe WobWork was just hypothesizing earlier |
| 00:10.31 | WobWork | Fisker: is that image sfw? |
| 00:10.35 | Fisker | yes |
| 00:10.40 | WobWork | I was |
| 00:10.41 | Cide | Dagmar: but a lot slower if you want to do serious parsing |
| 00:10.52 | Fisker | /g/ = worksafe duh |
| 00:10.53 | Dagmar | You only have to do this once perminute |
| 00:10.57 | Cide | true |
| 00:11.10 | Fisker | if it's /gif/ or /b/ you'd be right to worry :P |
| 00:11.21 | WobWork | 4chan is known to surprise -( |
| 00:11.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, not always nicely |
| 00:11.50 | Dagmar | (as well as have low standards) |
| 00:16.25 | Gintaro | ffs, how hard is it to anonymously list shares! |
| 00:16.38 | Gintaro | ***ing windows 7 |
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| 00:18.57 | Jerub | Gintaro: shush you. windows 7 is the best windows ever. |
| 00:18.59 | Gintaro | I can access it anonymously, but I can't list them. |
| 00:19.02 | Jerub | it's almost as good as linux sometimes! |
| 00:19.08 | Gintaro | Oh no doubt |
| 00:19.25 | Gintaro | But finding the right setting to change is impossible |
| 00:20.04 | WobWork | yeah |
| 00:20.07 | WobWork | they've renamed everything =P |
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| 00:32.11 | Fisker | i think Antiarc will sell 4 million copies quickly |
| 00:33.11 | Lopeppeppy | He's just like that |
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| 00:35.59 | Fisker | looking forward to royalty payments |
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| 00:41.58 | Fisker | http://twitter.com/lilH3rmit/status/14323342269 <-do want |
| 00:46.03 | Fisker | free rage for you Stanzilla |
| 00:47.41 | Stanzilla | wot |
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| 00:49.23 | Tepels | And a big FU to windows for not sending a hostname when a bridge is used |
| 00:49.56 | Tepels | Bah, I've had it with windows for today! |
| 00:50.48 | Fisker | that's what you get for pissing off windows |
| 00:51.22 | Dezzimal | Message: Error: AddOn ArkInventory attempted to call a forbidden function (NewGMTicket()) from a tainted execution path. |
| 00:51.34 | Dezzimal | what on earth is arkinventory doing screwing with the GM petition window |
| 00:51.57 | Fisker | Hurr HUrr |
| 00:52.01 | Fisker | Today i'm using computar |
| 00:52.45 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/Mu1oY.png |
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| 00:53.00 | Fisker | As far as i know using embedded libraries means that the first addon in the chain will be deemed responsible for any taints from any other addon using the same library |
| 00:53.31 | Fisker | Antiarc lets froyo instead |
| 00:53.47 | Fisker | http://twitter.com/lilH3rmit/status/14323342269 <-you will find it |
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| 00:55.26 | Arrowmaster | Dezzimal: old bug, hooking SetItemRef() breaks the GM ticket frame if you try to shift click ANYTHING to insert it into the editbox |
| 00:55.41 | Arrowmaster | i reported it years ago |
| 00:55.53 | Dezzimal | hoho |
| 00:56.00 | Fisker | noooo |
| 00:56.01 | Fisker | i was wrong |
| 00:56.03 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 00:56.05 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 00:56.42 | Dezzimal | I did shift click someones ASCII riddled name :/ |
| 00:58.50 | Lopeppeppy | God I hate those. |
| 01:00.37 | Fisker | too bad that the only thing Blizzard cares about is money |
| 01:01.22 | Lopeppeppy | And pumpkin seeds. |
| 01:03.59 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 01:04.03 | Fisker | and candycorn |
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| 01:05.09 | WobWork | Antiarc: hm, that's using the API, eh? |
| 01:05.41 | WobWork | and you're limited to 200 requests a day? |
| 01:05.53 | Antiarc | WobWork: Well, scraping the armory. And no, 1 request/second, 200 transactions (buy/sell) per day |
| 01:05.59 | Antiarc | So I can effectively scrape data all day long |
| 01:06.03 | WobWork | aha |
| 01:06.07 | WobWork | I was curious about that |
| 01:06.27 | WobWork | cause otherwise it'd be more efficient to use Auctioneer data or the like from ingame than having limited scrapability |
| 01:06.53 | Antiarc | Well, the advantage here is that I get 24 hour data, and at low enough granularity that I can project moving market prices pretty accurately. |
| 01:06.56 | WobWork | I take it there's no 'getall' command? =) |
| 01:07.00 | Antiarc | No |
| 01:07.02 | WobWork | hehe |
| 01:07.07 | Antiarc | I'll also be able to do semi-accurate low volume alerts |
| 01:07.30 | WobWork | so it'll work well as a limited scope sort of thing |
| 01:07.34 | Antiarc | So if an item that moves X per day drops below Y volume, chances are that there's potential for a temporary price increase to capitalize on the supply/demand split |
| 01:07.40 | WobWork | focussing on certain markets, rather than overall movement |
| 01:07.43 | Antiarc | Right. |
| 01:07.53 | Antiarc | I've got it set up to query specific items, rather than the whole AH |
| 01:08.00 | Antiarc | So gems, glyphs, saronite, ores, etc |
| 01:08.24 | WobWork | You need to create a site. Northrend Stock Exchange |
| 01:08.31 | Antiarc | heh |
| 01:09.03 | WobWork | The requests are throttled on an ip basis, I'd take it? |
| 01:09.58 | Antiarc | Yeah |
| 01:10.09 | WobWork | http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/because-every-country-is-the-best-at-something/ |
| 01:10.15 | WobWork | (on an entirely different note) |
| 01:13.22 | kraftman | female circumcision :S |
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| 01:14.48 | Fisker | we're apparently elitist mink pelt users |
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| 01:18.33 | Fisker | hey ckknight |
| 01:19.22 | ckknight | hey Fisker |
| 01:20.05 | Fisker | Frozen Yoghurt |
| 01:20.06 | Fisker | now |
| 01:20.09 | Fisker | giev |
| 01:22.18 | Lopeppeppy | You are weird. |
| 01:22.28 | Fisker | i'm not that weird actually |
| 01:22.35 | Fisker | jnwhiteh and Antiarc wants frozen yoghurt too |
| 01:23.03 | WobWork | that's cause you're all androids |
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| 01:23.19 | Fisker | http://github.com/android/platform_external_webkit/tree/froyo-release <- |
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| 01:28.42 | Antiarc | dohohoho |
| 01:28.46 | Antiarc | I can compute moving volumes now |
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| 01:34.19 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/PFvSO.png |
| 01:34.55 | Jamash | nice, Antiarc |
| 01:36.03 | Jamash | So can you dump the entire AH, or do you have to make individual queries? |
| 01:36.17 | Antiarc | Individual queries |
| 01:36.25 | Antiarc | But I'm snapshotting it every 2 minutes |
| 01:36.28 | Antiarc | So I'll get very specific data |
| 01:36.49 | WobWork | ~24*60/60 |
| 01:36.50 | purl | 24 |
| 01:36.58 | Dezzimal | you slut you |
| 01:37.00 | WobWork | ~24*60*60 |
| 01:37.01 | purl | 86400 |
| 01:37.10 | Gintaro | Antiarc: it's bugged! |
| 01:37.23 | Gintaro | Unless you did sell a solid majestic zircon for 0g |
| 01:37.28 | Dezzimal | does it interpret canceled auctions as sales Antiarc? |
| 01:38.02 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 01:38.14 | Jamash | that's the thing about the AH, is it only shows active auctions |
| 01:38.22 | Jamash | what I really want is a log of transactions |
| 01:38.24 | Antiarc | Dezzimal: Right now, if they were long or greater, yes; I'm going to eliminate "sales" that were priced above the median though |
| 01:38.35 | Antiarc | That should help weed out some cancellations |
| 01:38.46 | Antiarc | Also, I can tell if an item's median price is trending down or up |
| 01:38.53 | Antiarc | If it trends down, it's being cancelled and relisted |
| 01:38.54 | Dezzimal | yeah that'll be problematic with gems :/ |
| 01:38.57 | Antiarc | If it trends up, it's moving. |
| 01:39.01 | Dezzimal | lots of canceling/relisting there |
| 01:39.36 | Antiarc | Basically -- |
| 01:39.56 | Antiarc | If you can find an item with decent volume with a price that holds even or trends upwards, you know that you can move that item very easily |
| 01:40.03 | Dezzimal | I guess you'll set up some filters so that if the lowest priced auctions are disappearing |
| 01:40.07 | Dezzimal | those are counted as sales |
| 01:40.10 | Antiarc | Right |
| 01:40.24 | Antiarc | I'm sucking in all the data I can, with the intent to analyze it later |
| 01:40.31 | Dezzimal | slurp |
| 01:40.43 | Antiarc | Gintaro: Those aren't my sales - those are all sales on the auction house in the past hour |
| 01:40.45 | Antiarc | For the items I'm watching |
| 01:40.50 | Dezzimal | I was doing something like that with getall scans |
| 01:40.55 | Jamash | what's the rate limit on scans? |
| 01:40.58 | Dezzimal | with the intent of creating trending graphs ingame |
| 01:41.01 | Antiarc | About 1 request/sec |
| 01:41.25 | Dezzimal | I never got around to doing the actual graphs but I did get some nice numbers |
| 01:41.38 | WobWork | Dezzimal: ugh, getall crashes my WoW unless I give it a higher priority =P |
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| 01:42.01 | Dezzimal | auctioneer hangs really hard with its getall |
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| 01:42.16 | Dezzimal | but mine is simple enough that it doesn't go crazy somehow |
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| 01:54.17 | myrkraverk | there are no such things as timer events in wow are there? |
| 01:55.09 | Antiarc | Nope, you get to handle timers manually |
| 01:55.36 | myrkraverk | you mean by using onupdate? or is there something else? |
| 01:55.54 | Antiarc | Yeah, onupdate |
| 01:56.01 | Antiarc | onupdate passes the time since last frame as a parameter |
| 01:56.16 | Antiarc | Collect that, run whatever you want when it exceeds your timer value, subtract timer value from the accumulator |
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| 01:58.04 | myrkraverk | ok, there wouldn't be any other way to find out/guess when a macro /castsequence reset=number is actually reset is there? in a custom action button? |
| 01:58.32 | myrkraverk | *notes to self, check how macaroon does it* |
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| 01:58.47 | alestane | Depends what you want. Questions like that usually indicate that someone is trying to get around the intention limits on the macro system. |
| 01:59.23 | Antiarc | http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aqxu-bQf_3O5dFNYVE9NRjdZdEVlUFNSWFhFaDFfOXc&hl=en&ui=2#gid=0 ;) |
| 01:59.35 | Antiarc | That's sale data for my realm's Alliance AH for the last 6 hours or so |
| 01:59.36 | myrkraverk | well, I just want to show the spells texture |
| 01:59.44 | alestane | You can also use Animation objects as a sort of timer. |
| 01:59.44 | Antiarc | Not just my sales, all sales, mostly |
| 02:00.08 | alestane | VIsual updates are okay. |
| 02:00.35 | myrkraverk | there are events for reset=combat/target |
| 02:01.11 | alestane | But there's no actual way to get at the reset time on a /castsequence other than watching for the macro being triggered and for the spellcasts being successful. |
| 02:01.14 | myrkraverk | and I think I can use securestatedriver (or something) for reset=alt/shift/ctrl |
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| 02:02.02 | alestane | There's no event for reset; when you trigger a castsequence, it checks to see if it's been x amount of time since the last time it was pressed and if so, resets it before trying to advance it again. |
| 02:02.13 | myrkraverk | yes, can't I use OnClick (maybe) and "UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED" ? |
| 02:02.34 | alestane | Not OnClick, but maybe PostClick. |
| 02:02.41 | myrkraverk | ok |
| 02:02.54 | alestane | You'll also need a way to keep track of what spell the sequence is one. |
| 02:02.56 | alestane | on* |
| 02:03.18 | myrkraverk | yes, that's what I hope to do with UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED |
| 02:03.44 | alestane | If the macro is stored in a macro slot, I think you can query what spell or item is associated with the macro or something. |
| 02:03.56 | myrkraverk | no, I want to use macrotext |
| 02:04.15 | myrkraverk | and yes, I believe I can for regular macros |
| 02:04.52 | alestane | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetMacroSpell |
| 02:05.14 | alestane | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetMacroItem |
| 02:05.22 | alestane | Those work for stored macros. |
| 02:05.24 | myrkraverk | yes, only doesn't work for macrotext ;-P |
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| 02:05.52 | alestane | Then you're SoL trying to keep track of it yourself. |
| 02:06.04 | myrkraverk | SoL ? |
| 02:06.38 | alestane | "S#!t out of Luck" |
| 02:07.11 | myrkraverk | ah |
| 02:08.40 | myrkraverk | I'm going to try and see how macaroon does it (not the best code, and unmaintained now) |
| 02:15.02 | Thunder_Child | alestane: if you are going to say it go for the gold |
| 02:15.20 | alestane | This is nominally a family-friendly channel. |
| 02:15.37 | sylvanaar | looks around |
| 02:15.49 | Thunder_Child | i'm fairly sure curse words are allowed |
| 02:15.56 | Arrowmaster | points at Fisker |
| 02:16.07 | Arrowmaster | how is that 'family-friendly'? |
| 02:16.21 | Thunder_Child | as an example of what not to be friends with |
| 02:16.35 | Thunder_Child | or rather, of what to look out for |
| 02:24.38 | A-KO | damn |
| 02:24.40 | A-KO | V just got serious |
| 02:24.57 | Arrowmaster | that was the season finally |
| 02:24.59 | sylvanaar | anna cried rofl |
| 02:25.10 | A-KO | it's a neat show IMO |
| 02:25.21 | sylvanaar | its a show? i thought it was a miniseries |
| 02:25.23 | A-KO | I know Arrowmaster :( sucks, but the next season ought to be good. |
| 02:25.35 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: it is! two of them infact! |
| 02:25.37 | A-KO | sylvanaar: they've renewed for a 2nd season..so apparently it got popular enough that they went beyond that |
| 02:25.46 | A-KO | I dunno, it might bel onger than that now |
| 02:25.57 | A-KO | I like Anna's character tbh, she's usually pretty stoic |
| 02:25.58 | sylvanaar | wow, thats messed up |
| 02:26.14 | A-KO | always has that evil grin smiling look on her face |
| 02:27.53 | sylvanaar | I thought it was going to have an ending |
| 02:28.08 | sylvanaar | thats all i need is another show with short seasons |
| 02:28.53 | A-KO | I dunno, it might have an ending-but if they can milk it you know they will |
| 02:28.57 | A-KO | hopefully it stays coherent |
| 02:29.12 | A-KO | so far they've stayed pretty tied together, which is nice. Hopefully it doesn't branch off into useless crap |
| 02:29.43 | A-KO | and with this big move by Anna, chances are it might end in Season 2--otherwise she wouldn't have moved her more powerful arms into play in such a display to humanity.... |
| 02:30.27 | Arrowmaster | mini series 1 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085106/ mini series 2 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086823/ tv series 1 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086822/ |
| 02:30.45 | A-KO | ahh |
| 02:30.49 | A-KO | well that's good then |
| 02:30.52 | A-KO | I hope they don't milk it |
| 02:31.33 | Arrowmaster | unoriginally series created because they cant come up with anything new http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1307824/ |
| 02:31.39 | sylvanaar | how annoying is like the sopranos |
| 02:32.20 | Arrowmaster | is holding the dvds for both mini series and the first tv series in his hands right now |
| 02:32.31 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:32.32 | A-KO | nice |
| 02:32.59 | Arrowmaster | wasnt even born at the time they first aired |
| 02:33.11 | sylvanaar | i was |
| 02:33.14 | sylvanaar | i watched it |
| 02:33.44 | Arrowmaster | your old |
| 02:33.57 | sylvanaar | knows |
| 02:34.30 | Arrowmaster | i should get out the macgyver dvds |
| 02:34.46 | sylvanaar | i cant believe it has the same number of stars as BSG |
| 02:35.04 | sylvanaar | w-t-f |
| 02:35.06 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 02:36.50 | sylvanaar | the v miniseries from 84 has about the same rating as bsg |
| 02:37.14 | Arrowmaster | where? |
| 02:37.24 | sylvanaar | imdb |
| 02:37.31 | Arrowmaster | which bsg? |
| 02:37.40 | sylvanaar | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1307824/ |
| 02:37.50 | sylvanaar | scroll down |
| 02:37.56 | sylvanaar | the remade bsg |
| 02:38.29 | Arrowmaster | thats the BSG miniseries |
| 02:38.43 | Arrowmaster | the 4 season series has 9.0/10 on imdb |
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| 02:39.13 | sylvanaar | well that makes me feel better |
| 02:39.32 | sylvanaar | im still waiting for the V's to start stealing the water |
| 02:39.46 | sylvanaar | clearly they aren't going to do that this time around |
| 02:40.17 | Arrowmaster | from oldest to newest the V ratings on imdb go 7.9 7.6 7.3 7.6 |
| 02:40.59 | Arrowmaster | i was disappointed when they didnt talk with the reverb |
| 02:41.42 | Arrowmaster | but that wouldnt have worked well in the new one |
| 02:41.59 | sylvanaar | no, reverb is not sexy |
| 02:43.29 | sylvanaar | I like the big flatscreens on the bottoms of the new V ships though. i'd like one of those at home |
| 02:43.37 | Adys | anyone knows where the settings for vertical actionbar growth are in bartender? |
| 02:43.38 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 02:45.06 | sylvanaar | im going to go watch 1984 Dune, it always puts me to sleep. nn |
| 02:45.43 | Arrowmaster | i havent seen that one yet |
| 02:46.06 | Arrowmaster | but i loved both scifi miniseries |
| 02:46.18 | Arrowmaster | i really need to read the books someday |
| 02:47.43 | Shirik | woah |
| 02:47.48 | Shirik | any photoshop guys around? I broke something |
| 02:48.00 | Shirik | I can't save my picture as a PSD, it only gives me this "PSB" |
| 02:48.03 | Shirik | any idea wtf this is? |
| 02:48.32 | Mr_Rabies | which version? |
| 02:48.36 | Shirik | CS5 |
| 02:48.50 | Shirik | I looked into it actually, seems like PSD has a 30k x 30k pixel limit |
| 02:48.52 | Shirik | which I must have hit |
| 02:48.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not familiar with cs5 |
| 02:49.03 | Mr_Rabies | ah really? |
| 02:49.08 | Mr_Rabies | damn that's a huge image |
| 02:49.24 | Adys | no |
| 02:49.25 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/kalimdor_map.png |
| 02:49.28 | Adys | THATS a huge image |
| 02:49.31 | Shirik | not that huge |
| 02:49.39 | Shirik | every picture my camera takes is 5.6k x 3.7k |
| 02:50.15 | Mr_Rabies | did you like, panorama them together or something? |
| 02:50.20 | Shirik | yes |
| 02:50.22 | Shirik | it's a pano |
| 02:51.02 | Shirik | I think it's like 17 images stitched |
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| 02:51.48 | Shirik | yup I hit the limit, 36.6k pixels wide |
| 02:51.50 | Shirik | so that's why |
| 02:54.05 | Mr_Rabies | a friend of mine has a wide format printer, if you're interested in getting stuff that big printed at any point pm me and i'll get you an email for him :D |
| 02:54.30 | Mr_Rabies | up to 44" in any dimension i think |
| 02:58.09 | Shirik | some day I need to get one of those |
| 03:03.09 | Adys | why is nevcairiel asleep :( |
| 03:03.13 | Adys | who else maintains bartender? |
| 03:09.15 | Thunder_Child | look it up? |
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| 03:21.28 | Adys | Oh Im an idiot |
| 03:21.48 | Adys | theres no config for vertical growth |
| 03:21.50 | Adys | its just rows = 12 |
| 03:23.15 | Thunder_Child | "<Adys> Oh Im an idiot" now where is that qoute thing |
| 03:23.29 | Thunder_Child | quote* |
| 03:23.49 | Adys | ~thunderfail |
| 03:23.50 | purl | FAIL, Thunder_Child, FAIL! |
| 03:24.18 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo thundefail |
| 03:24.18 | purl | Thunder_Child: there's no such factoid as thundefail |
| 03:24.22 | Thunder_Child | ~factinfo thunderfail |
| 03:24.22 | purl | thunderfail -- created by Adys <~Adys@unaffiliated/adys> 35s ago; it has been requested once, last by Adys, 32s ago. |
| 03:24.35 | Adys | Yeah we'll need it quite soon |
| 03:24.45 | Jerub | oh crap. |
| 03:24.45 | Adys | ~factinfo failrik |
| 03:24.45 | purl | failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (793 days); it has been requested 146 times, last by Cide-, 2d 23h 53m 45s ago. |
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| 03:24.58 | Adys | 3 days ago?! |
| 03:25.01 | Adys | in 7 minutes |
| 03:25.06 | Adys | cant.. let.. happen... |
| 03:25.06 | Jerub | I gave a friend a sc2 beta key, but he's in hk so it auto detected that and put him on the chinese battle.net zone. |
| 03:25.13 | Adys | must.... lett.... happeennnnnnnn |
| 03:25.14 | Adys | ~failrik |
| 03:25.15 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 03:25.18 | Adys | OHHH god |
| 03:25.21 | Jerub | he's not chinese (british), how can i help him transition to EU or US ? |
| 03:25.22 | Adys | I just couldn't |
| 03:25.24 | Adys | sorry Shirik |
| 03:25.52 | Sargeras | hugs Cair |
| 03:25.57 | Sargeras | oops |
| 03:26.06 | Adys | hugs his Chair |
| 03:26.25 | Sargeras | I love my chair, but I love her more |
| 03:27.29 | Jerub | Adys: you know lots about battlenet, help me :( |
| 03:27.33 | Adys | Okay. |
| 03:28.34 | Adys | whats up? |
| 03:28.51 | Jerub | Adys: my friend is in hong kong, and i gave him a sc2 beta key. |
| 03:29.11 | Jerub | he set up a battle.net account and activated the key, but it's put him in the chinese zone and given him a chinese beta. |
| 03:29.19 | Jerub | how can he move that to EU or US ? |
| 03:29.33 | Adys | call billing dept |
| 03:29.36 | Adys | er |
| 03:29.44 | Adys | cs, whatever, maybe billing might help |
| 03:30.09 | Adys | the key is redeemable in europe right? |
| 03:30.26 | Adys | (ps: YAY DONE) |
| 03:30.53 | Jerub | Adys: yeah, it seems so. |
| 03:31.01 | Adys | then billing should be able to help |
| 03:31.25 | Jerub | considering i think you gave me an EU key, I've been using it in US, and I got a pair of my keys in my email that have been activated in US and CN... |
| 03:32.37 | Adys | yeah i guess they're worldwide |
| 03:32.43 | Adys | also |
| 03:32.48 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/bartender.jpg |
| 03:32.51 | Adys | am i awesome or what |
| 03:32.57 | Adys | default bartender config \o/ |
| 03:34.15 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/infoporn.jpg |
| 03:34.39 | Adys | looks shopped. |
| 03:39.19 | mikma | like you |
| 03:39.32 | Corrodias | my dick looks shopped |
| 03:39.57 | Corrodias | the edges don't quite match up with your butt |
| 03:41.20 | Thunder_Child | Adys: your UI makes babies cry |
| 03:41.24 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 03:41.57 | Adys | Thunder_Child: go on |
| 03:42.16 | Thunder_Child | Adys: go on where? |
| 03:42.27 | Adys | go on and explain yourself |
| 03:43.00 | Thunder_Child | Adys: explain why it made my eyes bleed? |
| 03:43.06 | Adys | yes.. |
| 03:44.06 | Thunder_Child | i dont know biochem well enough to explain the reaction that caused my occular area to spontainously bleed. |
| 03:44.53 | Adys | Maybe your braincells were decaying |
| 03:45.39 | Thunder_Child | whats the connection between the two? |
| 03:46.06 | Adys | I'd explain it to you but you wouldn't have enough braincells left to understand |
| 03:46.22 | Thunder_Child | thats ok, i create em faster than they decay |
| 03:50.06 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: I'm pretty sure sharp objects, such as olive forks, explain it well enough. |
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| 03:51.07 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: i think it was more like the paticular pattern of light upon my eyes |
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| 03:51.33 | Torhal | Before or after the application of sharp pointy things? |
| 03:52.16 | Thunder_Child | there was no application of sharp pointy things |
| 03:52.20 | Thunder_Child | yet |
| 03:52.26 | Torhal | Ah |
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| 04:04.51 | Jerub | so is the AH public now? |
| 04:05.02 | Jerub | the interface? |
| 04:06.16 | Jerub | hm, signs point to no |
| 04:06.53 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how long till the new series of smap comes out extolling the "awesome web interface that makes you all the gold you want by selling at the perfect price.....just put in your account info here." |
| 04:06.58 | Thunder_Child | spam* |
| 04:07.54 | Jerub | *copies and pastes into marketing email* |
| 04:09.46 | Thunder_Child | at least it already comes with fail english |
| 04:09.54 | Thunder_Child | no need to add youe own |
| 04:09.59 | Thunder_Child | your* |
| 04:18.42 | Adys | Any php coder around? |
| 04:18.45 | Adys | vomits quietly |
| 04:19.13 | Jerub | Adys: i've been clean 5 years now. |
| 04:19.22 | Adys | substr(sha1(microtime(), true).sha1(microtime(), true), 0, 37); |
| 04:19.27 | Jerub | Adys: otoh, i'm a better php programmer than most of those shitheads. |
| 04:19.29 | Adys | does that look like a ntp thing? |
| 04:20.08 | Adys | or is it a sha1 hash of a sha1 hash or... |
| 04:20.10 | Jerub | Adys: that looks like a way of getting 37 or 36 bytes (can't remember fencepost rules) of random looking data. |
| 04:20.28 | Adys | right ok |
| 04:21.14 | Jerub | Adys: okay, sha1() returns 20 bytes (not the hex digest, the literal bytes) |
| 04:21.45 | Jerub | so that's creating 40 bytes of data, then taking 37 bytes of it |
| 04:21.59 | Jerub | '.' is a concatenation operator. |
| 04:22.10 | Adys | yeah see thats whats fucking wrong with php |
| 04:22.15 | Adys | that very last thing you said |
| 04:22.25 | Jerub | same as perl, that's where they stole it from |
| 04:22.33 | Adys | yeah thats whats wrong with perl too |
| 04:22.35 | Jerub | just checked the fencepost thing. |
| 04:22.43 | Jerub | Adys: but there's reasons for the insantiy in perl. |
| 04:22.52 | Jerub | in php, it's just because they're copying perl for no good reason. |
| 04:23.37 | Jerub | Adys: also, i'm sorry. |
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| 04:23.50 | Adys | Don't worry |
| 04:23.53 | Adys | I'm not writing in it |
| 04:23.55 | Adys | I'm porting it |
| 04:24.09 | Jerub | Adys: well, i had a knife in my hand, and i was less than 2 meters from rasmus, and i froze. i just froze. |
| 04:24.12 | Jerub | I couldn't do it :( |
| 04:24.27 | Adys | I'm going to hold a grudge on that |
| 04:25.53 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.55 | Adys | this is much better |
| 04:26.04 | Adys | er |
| 04:26.05 | Adys | oops |
| 04:26.10 | Adys | see what php is making me do |
| 04:26.26 | Jerub | Adys: no, that's not the same. |
| 04:26.32 | Adys | I know |
| 04:26.40 | Adys | (sha1(time()).digest() + sha1(time()).digest())[:37] |
| 04:27.07 | Jerub | Adys: the php code doesn't use the digest |
| 04:27.20 | Adys | because sha1() returns a digest |
| 04:27.25 | Adys | in python sha1() returns a hash object |
| 04:27.59 | Jerub | oh, wai, no, i'm sorry |
| 04:28.04 | Jerub | i conflated hexdigest with digest |
| 04:28.09 | Adys | ya |
| 04:29.39 | Adys | GOD THIS "." is confusing |
| 04:29.40 | Adys | ugh |
| 04:29.49 | Jerub | "".join(chr(random.randrange(0, 256)) for i in xrange(37)) |
| 04:30.00 | Jerub | that's actually probably better. doesn't use stupid sha1 for generating random strings. |
| 04:30.22 | Adys | yeah but I'm not 100% sure on what the app actually does |
| 04:31.15 | Adys | substr(str_pad($otp, 37, "\0"), 0, 37); |
| 04:31.24 | Jerub | otp -> one time pad |
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| 04:32.20 | Adys | this_is justLike codestylehell |
| 04:32.24 | Adys | seriously. |
| 04:32.43 | Jerub | Adys: what's the code? can i see it? |
| 04:32.59 | Adys | nah sorry |
| 04:33.03 | Thunder_Child | Adys: is it all worth it? |
| 04:33.07 | Adys | and honestly you dont want to. |
| 04:33.12 | Thunder_Child | people may not acutally use it since it has a price tag |
| 04:33.24 | Adys | use what? |
| 04:33.29 | Thunder_Child | the AH thing |
| 04:33.34 | Adys | i didnt talk about it :P |
| 04:33.37 | Adys | i wont use it |
| 04:33.41 | Thunder_Child | i never said you did |
| 04:33.44 | Adys | maybe i will check it out during beta |
| 04:33.49 | Thunder_Child | it is in beta |
| 04:33.55 | Adys | yeah not in eu |
| 04:34.06 | Thunder_Child | surprising actually |
| 04:34.48 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: i will use the ah app |
| 04:34.53 | Adys | fantastic, str_pad doesnt have a doc page |
| 04:34.57 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: i enjoy the AH game a lot. |
| 04:35.03 | Adys | ... wow |
| 04:35.09 | Adys | they replace _ by - in the doc |
| 04:35.13 | Adys | my god who are these people :( |
| 04:35.16 | Jerub | Adys: yes, it does |
| 04:35.25 | Jerub | Adys: for every php function, php.net/functionname works |
| 04:35.32 | Adys | except when the function has a _ |
| 04:35.35 | Adys | [05:34:54] <Adys> they replace _ by - in the doc |
| 04:35.47 | Jerub | Adys: php.net/str_pad is what i typed into firefox |
| 04:35.48 | Jerub | and it works |
| 04:36.07 | Adys | thats worse |
| 04:36.10 | Adys | i get a greek version |
| 04:36.22 | Jerub | hah |
| 04:36.26 | Jerub | type au.php.net/str_pad |
| 04:36.51 | Jerub | (also, fuck php) |
| 04:37.13 | Adys | what the fuck is this function |
| 04:38.11 | Jerub | Adys: uh, what's doing is taking $otp and making it exactly 37 bytes |
| 04:38.20 | Jerub | using nulls to fill out if it's under, truncating it if it's over |
| 04:38.44 | Jerub | (otp + '\0' * 37)[:37] |
| 04:38.51 | Adys | yeah thought so |
| 04:39.02 | Jerub | (fuck i love python) |
| 04:39.03 | Iriel | You presumably mean NULs |
| 04:39.20 | Jerub | Iriel: i mean ascii byte 0 |
| 04:39.29 | Iriel | NUL |
| 04:39.38 | Adys | Jerub doesnt like caps |
| 04:39.38 | Jerub | Iriel: spell it how you will. |
| 04:39.48 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.01 | Iriel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUL |
| 04:40.03 | Adys | nevcairiel: where were YOU when i needed someone to remind me bartender vertical bars are done with rows |
| 04:40.12 | nevcairiel | sleeping, probably |
| 04:40.16 | nevcairiel | i just got up, going to work now :D |
| 04:40.18 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/\0 |
| 04:40.20 | Adys | this page works |
| 04:40.23 | Adys | funnily enough |
| 04:40.25 | Iriel | Though I see there's a "common usage" of Null for the same thing, though I dont like it 8-) |
| 04:40.55 | Iriel | so ignore me 8-) |
| 04:41.04 | Adys | ignores Iriel |
| 04:42.38 | Adys | Jerub: chr() is the same in php right |
| 04:44.04 | Jerub | Adys: yeah, i assume so |
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| 04:51.49 | Adys | http://gr.php.net/feof |
| 04:51.52 | Adys | bursts in tears |
| 04:53.21 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort Adys |
| 04:53.21 | purl | There, there, Adys. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:54.54 | Jamash | wow, they managed to screw up a standard c library function |
| 04:54.56 | Jamash | I'm impressed |
| 04:55.32 | Adys | that's the least of what they've accomplished |
| 04:55.41 | Adys | Jerub come back to me, I can't live without you |
| 04:55.49 | Adys | at least not while I'm being laughed at by the devil himself |
| 04:56.44 | Jamash | how to port a php application: |
| 04:56.46 | Jamash | step one |
| 04:56.58 | Jamash | rm *.php *.html |
| 04:57.41 | Arrowmaster | Care must be taken with a digit following this escape, in some languages including C \01 is the byte with the value 1, while in other languages[citation needed] this is a null byte followed by an ASCII "1". |
| 04:57.46 | Arrowmaster | damn right citation needed |
| 04:57.54 | Adys | it's a crypto thingy generator Jamash |
| 04:57.59 | Arrowmaster | find one damn language thats true in |
| 04:58.55 | Jamash | a fail one apparently if they're using timestamps as seeds |
| 05:01.10 | Adys | fuck this |
| 05:01.12 | Jamash | I may not know too much about crypto, but I do know enough to know that you shouldn't try to implement a cryptosystem yourself unless you are a genuine expert |
| 05:01.13 | Adys | this code is unreadable |
| 05:01.36 | Arrowmaster | its php right? |
| 05:01.39 | Adys | yes |
| 05:01.43 | Arrowmaster | what php code IS readable? |
| 05:01.57 | kd3 | lua>48195-(48195*.05) |
| 05:01.58 | lua_bot | kd3: 45785.25 |
| 05:01.59 | Adys | this was written by a guy i know writes GOOD code |
| 05:02.04 | kd3 | grs |
| 05:02.20 | Adys | and he is definitely an expert in crypto |
| 05:02.45 | Iriel | If he's just implementing an existing algorithm it's probably not so bad |
| 05:02.49 | Adys | but the dollar signs and periods everywhere make me feel I'm reading my bank transaction history |
| 05:02.57 | Iriel | many of the reference impls are almost unreadable anyway 8-) |
| 05:02.57 | Adys | yeah Iriel he is |
| 05:04.19 | Jerub | Adys: i'm back |
| 05:04.30 | Adys | you are too late |
| 05:04.34 | Adys | my arms are sliced open |
| 05:04.42 | Adys | I've given up hope and soul |
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| 05:06.23 | lua_bot | kd3: 3213 |
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| 06:09.25 | Jerub | tank moar |
| 06:10.35 | Amarande | ehh |
| 06:10.42 | Amarande | the queues actually aren't too bad on stormstrike horde as dps |
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| 06:11.47 | Amarande | btw |
| 06:12.02 | Amarande | can you equip two different darkmoon cards, or does the unique equipped apply to the darkmoon cards as a group rather than specific ones? |
| 06:14.00 | Adys | it applies to only itself |
| 06:14.11 | Adys | unique equips with a group are specified, such as in healthstones |
| 06:15.09 | Adys | Amarande: http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?unique_equipped=0&unique=0&unique_category__gt=1 |
| 06:15.32 | Adys | or http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?unique_category__gt=1 for all of them |
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| 06:35.50 | Thunder_Child | hmm...at what GS can you start doing heroics via the random? |
| 06:36.28 | Shadowed | at 0? :p |
| 06:36.32 | Shadowed | gearscore doesn't tell you anything |
| 06:36.36 | Shadowed | you can do heroics pretty much at 80 |
| 06:36.41 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: are you the tank? |
| 06:36.48 | Shadowed | The only real restriction is if you're a tank, you should have 435 defense |
| 06:36.52 | Shadowed | but even that isn't necessary |
| 06:36.56 | Shadowed | cause you can use resilience elixirs |
| 06:38.09 | Thunder_Child | Shadowed: i said via the random, it has a gear level |
| 06:38.10 | Adys | elixirs Shadowed's resilience |
| 06:38.19 | Shadowed | The random shouldn't have a gear level |
| 06:38.26 | Shadowed | Only the ICC dungeons do? |
| 06:38.35 | Thunder_Child | yes, it's too keep people that are fresh 80's out of there |
| 06:38.36 | Adys | i think most heroics do |
| 06:38.42 | zenzio | I think they others do too, but less restrictive |
| 06:39.24 | Shadowed | Whatever the other ones are, they are stupidly low |
| 06:39.31 | Arrowmaster | man i need to stop failing to read slashdot for a few days, i missed some good stuff |
| 06:39.31 | Shadowed | since I've seen people in 99% greens |
| 06:39.48 | Thunder_Child | well i have lich king random greyed out |
| 06:39.53 | Arrowmaster | laughing at this http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/05/17/1849215/iPhone-SDK-Agreement-Shuts-Out-HyperCard-Clone because thats the same shit wowmatrix was created with |
| 06:40.06 | Shadowed | You mean the level 80 heroics, not just the ICC heroics right Thunder_Child? |
| 06:40.47 | Thunder_Child | Shadowed: yes |
| 06:40.55 | Shadowed | Weird |
| 06:41.01 | Shadowed | I'm not sure why, but it's not a strict average item level |
| 06:42.06 | Thunder_Child | i figure there is a minimum however |
| 06:51.15 | haste | Shadowed: you can get into HCs with crap gear if you queue with someone with good |
| 06:51.21 | Shadowed | ah |
| 06:51.26 | Shadowed | I haven't done the randoms since uh |
| 06:51.30 | Iriel | Not really |
| 06:51.30 | Shadowed | 3 months ago so! |
| 06:51.40 | Iriel | If you're grouped with someone who doesn't qualify, neither of you can queue |
| 06:51.55 | haste | Iriel: then explain why I can do FoS with a friend, but not solo :p |
| 06:52.11 | Shadowed | It probably does a single average based off of the group |
| 06:52.18 | Shadowed | that way if you have 4 overgeared people and 1 undergeared, you can still go |
| 06:52.25 | Shadowed | which would be the smart way of doing it |
| 06:52.45 | Iriel | Maybe what Shadowed said then I guess. I just know it's not based on the 'best' person |
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| 06:53.54 | haste | seems it does an average of some kind |
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| 07:04.32 | zenzio | http://failblog.org/2010/05/19/epic-fail-photos-ice-cream-ad-fail/ |
| 07:09.01 | Cairenn | zenzio: lol |
| 07:11.54 | Dagmar | Dear god |
| 07:12.06 | Dagmar | Fantasy Earth Zero is *really* crap |
| 07:13.59 | Thunder_Child | but with a name like that how could it fail? |
| 07:17.09 | Dagmar | Frankly, it has about as much visual charm as the original EverQuest. |
| 07:17.34 | Dagmar | I'm not certain, but there may actually be *no* excuse for doing that in 2010. |
| 07:17.44 | Thunder_Child | is it bad when you see innuendos in job names? |
| 07:18.17 | Dagmar | Maybe if your job title is "Rule 34 Auditor" |
| 07:18.57 | Thunder_Child | ".NET Developer with Strong Front End Skills Needed" |
| 07:20.19 | Dagmar | "We need you to make our flagship product look expensive and not suck." |
| 07:28.09 | Maldivia | what did you expect from a product the abbrv to fez :P |
| 07:29.04 | Amarande | I've never understood why companies go to such effort for glitz. Make it functional, make it what the customer *wants* so they'll come back. |
| 07:29.54 | Maldivia | apparently a lot want glitz |
| 07:30.43 | WobWork | if it's not shiny it's harder to sell |
| 07:30.55 | zenzio | clients only think they want glitz |
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| 07:31.23 | WobWork | it depends on who they're dependant on |
| 07:31.27 | WobWork | or who they report to |
| 07:31.42 | Maldivia | first impressions last |
| 07:31.47 | WobWork | if it -looks- shiny, they can pass it off as a good expense, even if it doesn't work |
| 07:31.58 | WobWork | but if it looks crap and doesn't work, they can't |
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| 07:36.08 | Antiarc | Ooooohhh |
| 07:36.11 | Antiarc | The auction house can return json |
| 07:36.13 | Antiarc | Hot. |
| 07:36.32 | Maldivia | cute |
| 07:36.34 | zenzio | weren't you showing JSON last night? |
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| 08:12.40 | Amarande | gah, I don't think I'm going to like Zul'Drak on my hunter when he gets there. |
| 08:12.47 | Amarande | Zul'Dreck will be more like it. |
| 08:12.55 | Amarande | I hated this zone on my warlock, but it's been not bad at all on the DK |
| 08:13.08 | Amarande | there would seem to be a good reason for this, too ... and not entirely my greater skill now than then |
| 08:13.16 | Amarande | or the DK's general power level |
| 08:13.26 | Amarande | and if I was unholy, I bet I'd hate ZD then too :) |
| 08:14.15 | zenzio | so what is it about the hunter that makes you think you'll not like it in Zul'Drak? |
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| 08:15.51 | Amarande | zenzio: it's because of all the vehicles and gimmicks in the quests |
| 08:15.57 | Amarande | this is why I found it so hard on the warlock but not so hard on the DK |
| 08:16.09 | Amarande | Zul'Drak is very, very cruel to pet classes/builds |
| 08:16.32 | Amarande | because such an irritating number of the quests require you to use the provided pet, and of course your pet isn't back afterwards automatically |
| 08:16.48 | Amarande | for a hunter, maybe it's not so bad ... for a warlock, it can make some really sticky situations because you need several seconds to get your demon back |
| 08:16.50 | Thrae | Anyone here have a chance to go onto the PTR and test out RealID? |
| 08:17.23 | Amarande | otoh, warlocks can at least fight without their pets, while hunters' melee capability is ... limited at best |
| 08:17.53 | zenzio | Amarande: I see your point, though I can't recall more than one vehicle quest |
| 08:18.06 | olafski | yeah, the giant |
| 08:18.09 | Amarande | well, there's also the Drakuru chain, which is maddening for locks and hunters |
| 08:18.29 | Amarande | because not only is there the already in place gimmick that the scourge disguise duration is random that you have to contend with |
| 08:18.30 | olafski | not really a vehicle quest.. and you don't even have to fight much while controlling the drakkuru pets |
| 08:18.43 | Amarande | but so much of the time, your pet slot gets commandeered by the required pet for the quest |
| 08:18.52 | Amarande | disguise fails? double nasty for a pet class |
| 08:19.02 | Amarande | because you're not only likely in aggro, but without your faithful friend |
| 08:19.09 | olafski | yeah as if a warlock can't fight on their own for 10 seconds :P |
| 08:19.43 | olafski | death coil, kill, summon pet |
| 08:19.47 | olafski | (or resummon disguise) |
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| 08:20.19 | zenzio | it is still a valid point, those classes aren't *quite* as well off as most others for those situations |
| 08:20.37 | olafski | sure.. hunter even less than warlock imo |
| 08:20.43 | olafski | but to call the zone horrible just because of this.. :) |
| 08:21.04 | olafski | it's my favourite zone in northrend, I did it on all of my chars :D |
| 08:21.17 | zenzio | well, I don't think he really did - seemed like he was only saying he didn't like it so much |
| 08:21.54 | olafski | < Amarande> I hated this zone on my warlock |
| 08:21.55 | olafski | :P |
| 08:22.03 | zenzio | I find Zul'Drak hard to decided on... I didn't like it visually - not because it wasn't well done, it's just not my style. But the quests were pretty interesting |
| 08:22.22 | zenzio | olafski: yeah, but hating a zone doesn't mean you necessarily think it's a bad zone |
| 08:22.29 | olafski | yeah the quests are nice.. though the drakuru chain is annoying |
| 08:22.36 | olafski | I don't like being forced to use a pet |
| 08:22.42 | zenzio | agreed |
| 08:22.47 | olafski | it's quick xp though so I always did it |
| 08:22.50 | olafski | and a good necklace at the end |
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| 08:23.23 | olafski | most of the zone is good xp actually.. many quests that can be combined |
| 08:23.30 | Fisker | rage |
| 08:24.27 | zenzio | the only zone I didn't do on my first 80 was Borean Tundra... though I dinged 80 shortly after starting Icecrown |
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| 08:24.57 | Fisker | rage zenzio |
| 08:24.58 | Fisker | rage |
| 08:25.29 | zenzio | yes, I am a warrior |
| 08:25.58 | Fisker | Blizzard doubted my identity 6 times today |
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| 08:26.36 | zenzio | that's crazy |
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| 08:26.43 | zenzio | the rest of us question your identify all day |
| 08:27.07 | Fisker | lol blues |
| 08:27.30 | Fisker | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25002289996&pageNo=4&sid=1#64 |
| 08:28.09 | Fisker | Anyone know how i can use both auction houses at once, access my mailbox, and XML-based feeds ingame then? |
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| 08:30.29 | Corrodias | interesting situation. i don't think i like the idea of charging extra for a little perk like that. |
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| 08:31.32 | Fisker | Corrodias if anything i think they should give us a free version with the same benefits just less of them |
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| 08:31.40 | Corrodias | and wait a second, correct me if i'm wrong... but when he says -- "First off, no correlation can be made here between the idea of releasing a Remote Auction House feature and that of releasing epic equipment for sale. The ground is still quite firm on that slope. " -- he's saying that the firm ground is that they totally sell mounts for cash, right? |
| 08:32.04 | olafski | mounts aren't equipment |
| 08:32.22 | Fisker | He just means that they won't ever sell anything that makes your character more powerful |
| 08:32.38 | Fisker | atleast equipment wise, but i figure he means in general as well |
| 08:32.40 | Corrodias | directly, anyway |
| 08:32.46 | Fisker | yeah |
| 08:32.46 | olafski | doesn't he mean "the slippery slope is getting more slippery every day" though? |
| 08:33.00 | Fisker | When Antiarc is done finishing his bot it'll be easy to get money on the AH |
| 08:33.07 | Amarande | ... And Drakuru goes down |
| 08:33.12 | Fisker | just run the bot when you're not logged in |
| 08:33.15 | Amarande | wow, that's a surprisingly hard quest. :| |
| 08:33.30 | Amarande | turned out I ended up surviving due to an item that wasn't even from Turalyon |
| 08:34.18 | Corrodias | the stuff i hear about WoW and SC2 these days makes me worry that D3 is going to be nickle-and-dimeing the players on every little "extra" |
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| 08:34.48 | olafski | you run around and have your troll kill drakkuru, summon a new one when it's dead and have that finish him off? |
| 08:34.54 | Corrodias | which a lot of companies are happy to do now. |
| 08:37.32 | Amarande | olafski: and manage not to die from a) shadowbolts while charming trolls or b) everywhere's full of blight goo |
| 08:37.34 | Corrodias | will they start charging to access each new quest they add between expansions? |
| 08:38.12 | Jamash | "In order to download patch 4.2.2, please enter your credit card or paypal information" |
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| 08:39.06 | Fisker | dlc and premium features are the cancer killing PC gaming |
| 08:39.09 | olafski | impressive if you managed to get that whole platform filled with blight amarande :P |
| 08:39.18 | Fisker | But atleast it already killed console gaming |
| 08:39.18 | Fisker | ;3 |
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| 08:39.47 | Corrodias | modern warfare 2, drops your pants to receive a few multiplayer maps! |
| 08:40.27 | Corrodias | never mind that Unreal Tournament had a prolific modding community with great, free maps. a novel concept, apparently, as it still hasn't caught on 10 years later. |
| 08:40.40 | Fisker | haah yeah |
| 08:41.02 | Fisker | i really hope the former IW-team sues the fuck out of activision and wins |
| 08:41.17 | olafski | care about UT :< quake was first.. maybe even doom |
| 08:41.20 | Fisker | and somehow Activision Blizzard dies and Blizzard gets released from their control etc. |
| 08:41.20 | Corrodias | i believe the first part of that is in progress |
| 08:41.34 | Amarande | olafski: it's easy to end up with blight all around the part of the platform *you* are on, though |
| 08:41.40 | Corrodias | i don't know, it might be too late. splitting SC2 into 3 games? |
| 08:41.43 | Arrowmaster | $15 for 5 maps is fucking retarded, and they are doing it again with another map pack |
| 08:41.44 | olafski | amarande: so learn to move.. :P |
| 08:41.52 | olafski | amarande: I run in circles during that quest, never really gets me in trouble |
| 08:41.56 | Amarande | olafski: such that in order to get away from it you end up having to go thru it :) |
| 08:41.59 | Amarande | but really, it wasn't so much the blight |
| 08:42.06 | Amarande | as shadowbolts while using the scepter |
| 08:42.14 | olafski | the shadowbolts don't kill you either if you're at full health to begin with :P |
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| 08:42.20 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: SC2 is supposed to have at least 30 levels in the first game though vs 30 levels total in SC |
| 08:42.47 | Corrodias | makes sense. are the next two going to be priced as expansion packs? |
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| 08:43.27 | Amarande | I wonder if this DLC and expansion pack craze is a symptom of the fact that the gaming industry is sinking fast |
| 08:43.36 | Amarande | even EA apparently posted losses up the wazoo last year |
| 08:43.48 | olafski | for one thing it's to counter people buying used games |
| 08:43.51 | Arrowmaster | no clue, but i hope they get treated as expansion packs by the game and not as separate games |
| 08:44.09 | olafski | DLC doesn't really counted buying used but at least the company still gets some revenue for it then |
| 08:44.18 | Corrodias | olafski: which i've been doing a lot of because console games are pricey |
| 08:44.33 | Arrowmaster | you know if they stopped focusing so much on console games they wouldnt have to worry about that, the stores dont sell used PC games |
| 08:44.40 | olafski | I think I've bought 1-2 used console games :P |
| 08:44.40 | Amarande | I'm sure you've heard of Project Ten from EA :P |
| 08:44.59 | olafski | arrowmaster: isn't that mostly because PC games have serial keys? |
| 08:45.04 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 08:45.10 | olafski | if they were as easy to "give back" as console games .. well :) |
| 08:45.17 | olafski | and now they're giving console games serials too |
| 08:45.19 | Dagmar | EA has mastered the art of selling millions of units and still losing money |
| 08:45.41 | Corrodias | that does sound like something an artist could do. |
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| 08:46.15 | Dagmar | The Sims Exchange part of Sims 3 is currently broken and has been for about four months. |
| 08:46.23 | Dagmar | EA has done all of... nothing. |
| 08:46.30 | Jamash | I eagerly await the day that console games come with an empty box and a coupon to download the real game |
| 08:46.36 | Jamash | oh wait psp go lol |
| 08:46.49 | Amarande | gah, psp go |
| 08:46.49 | Corrodias | lawl |
| 08:47.01 | Amarande | way to eventually screw us all over who bought PSP games on UMDs when our console finally kicks it :| |
| 08:47.29 | Corrodias | i'm glad most gamers FINALLY saw through a company's money-sink scheme and didn't go for the Go. |
| 08:47.37 | Amarande | I have UMDs. I can't get a Go. |
| 08:47.42 | Jamash | it goes, you don't! |
| 08:47.43 | Corrodias | "yeah, uh, buy all our games again plz" |
| 08:47.52 | Amarande | the industry of gaming destroyed gaming. |
| 08:48.15 | Corrodias | oh, it's still here and strong |
| 08:48.20 | Amarande | with any luck, big corporate gaming will fail and better stuff will rise from the ashes |
| 08:48.23 | Corrodias | you just have to know where to look |
| 08:48.45 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: dont worry the go is dead, notice how all the special edition psps they keep pumping out are not go's |
| 08:48.47 | Dagmar | They're gonna snuff it over at Ubi if they don't get rid of that new "We like to watch you while you play" protection |
| 08:48.53 | Corrodias | independent studios usually don't go overboard on penny pinching schemes. |
| 08:48.59 | Amarande | Dagmar: wtf? |
| 08:49.17 | Amarande | what, can they call up a screenshot of your monitor to their security servers whenever? |
| 08:49.19 | Dagmar | Ubisoft's crazy new copy protection mechanism |
| 08:49.26 | Dagmar | Your connection breaks, the game stops. |
| 08:49.32 | Corrodias | no, just the "only when online" thing |
| 08:49.37 | Dagmar | Servers down? You can't play. |
| 08:50.15 | Amarande | I'm assuming the furor is because this is being applied to single player offline games |
| 08:50.16 | Corrodias | it's like WoW without the monthly fee but also without any multiplayer |
| 08:50.35 | Dagmar | ...and like having someone staring at you the entire time you play. |
| 08:50.36 | Amarande | after all ... an increasing number of games require you to be online to really be able to play properly anyway |
| 08:50.49 | Amarande | hi, offline? enjoy wandering de_dust2 by yourself with no Ts to kill :P |
| 08:50.50 | Corrodias | increasing number? i don't think that's right |
| 08:50.56 | zenzio | me neither |
| 08:51.10 | Corrodias | most games i'm aware of have rich single player components. |
| 08:51.13 | Fisker | hey zenzio |
| 08:51.46 | Corrodias | the Left 4 Dead games are just about the only games i like that don't, and even then you can play them offline with bots if you want to. |
| 08:52.14 | Amarande | hi, offline? enjoy our selection of computer-controlled bot opponents. your choice of "so stupid a two year old with Down's could beat them" or "perfect killers who will only stop winning when you throw the mouse through the monitor" |
| 08:53.09 | Corrodias | l4d's AI is actually pretty good |
| 08:53.35 | Amarande | then there's the increasingly common MMO paradigm ... "hi, offline? well the entire game is on our servers which aren't connected to your computer so FUCK U PLAYER" |
| 08:53.36 | Corrodias | we complain about it sometimes, but it definitely works |
| 08:53.44 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: stop reminding me of COD1, i want to throw a chair everytime i try to beat that damn game on veteran |
| 08:53.55 | Corrodias | i'm sure that's common among MMO's. i don't think that happens in other games. |
| 08:54.02 | Shadowed | the SC2 AI is supposed to be pretty good |
| 08:54.11 | Shadowed | from what they've said about how it works |
| 08:54.25 | Fisker | what about it Shadowed ? |
| 08:54.31 | Fisker | Gonna steal it for your site? :( |
| 08:54.36 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: the AI ive seen in the beta was 'very easy' only and let me just say it was VERY EASY |
| 08:54.42 | Amarande | so basically, ubi's new fail method is like steam without an online mode and requiring a *continued* connection to play as opposed to just start the game like steam. |
| 08:54.54 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yes |
| 08:55.03 | Amarande | sounds like a somewhat crappy implementation of the Steam paradigm. |
| 08:55.08 | Amarande | how about we call it Lukewarm Water. :) |
| 08:55.10 | Corrodias | (without an offline mode, you mean) |
| 08:55.16 | Arrowmaster | and without any benefits |
| 08:55.29 | Jamash | instead of Steam, let's call it Scald |
| 08:55.50 | Fisker | i like how their games are now cracked on the day of release Amarande |
| 08:55.54 | Fisker | uplay ftw |
| 08:56.16 | Amarande | so, there a linky to a list of games not to buy because ubi are a bunch of fuckwads/ |
| 08:56.17 | Arrowmaster | i heard splinter cell was so horrible of a game it wasnt worth buying |
| 08:56.31 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yes anything by ubi |
| 08:56.34 | Fisker | it wasn't |
| 08:56.53 | Arrowmaster | like 6 hours or something of single player |
| 08:56.58 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uieh_3Fl8x4 |
| 08:57.11 | Fisker | that's how retarded the ai is |
| 08:58.01 | Corrodias | figuring out what DRM each product has is probably as easy as going to some web site. with Steam releases, it's always displayed on the store page if there's an additional drm mechanism. |
| 08:58.29 | Corrodias | for some reason, they permit publishers to pile on whatever else they want on top of it. |
| 08:58.56 | Amarande | because publishers are run by stodgy suits who only care about the money, not the creative vision of the product |
| 08:59.13 | Arrowmaster | duh |
| 08:59.25 | Corrodias | the kind of suits who get a much-requested feature implemented, like out-of-game AH access, and then charge for it. |
| 08:59.32 | Amarande | devs need to start self-releasing games instead of using a publisher. |
| 08:59.36 | Arrowmaster | have you not seen the direct quote from one of the CEO's saying he hates games |
| 08:59.58 | Fisker | Valve talked about trying to do that through Steam :P |
| 09:00.12 | Amarande | why use a publisher, anyway? |
| 09:00.14 | Fisker | probably would only work for a handful games though |
| 09:00.17 | Fisker | money |
| 09:00.22 | Jamash | wal-mart |
| 09:00.27 | Amarande | especially when there's things like steam now. |
| 09:00.31 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: upfront funding to create the game |
| 09:00.41 | Corrodias | yeah, funds and marketing |
| 09:01.01 | Corrodias | Braid cost the lead developer like $180,000 |
| 09:01.16 | Amarande | you mean because there's a three letter word for what you and I would be afterwards if we tried to create a high budget game without outside corporate funding :| |
| 09:01.19 | Corrodias | according to Yahtzee, anyway |
| 09:01.23 | Amarande | Bum. B-U-M. BUM. |
| 09:01.29 | Amarande | Right? |
| 09:01.52 | Corrodias | we wouldn't be able to get it started, generally, although some people seem to manage to live off savings and loans long enough. |
| 09:02.12 | Arrowmaster | like ZorbaBeta? |
| 09:02.16 | Corrodias | the independent development scene seems to be stronger than ever |
| 09:02.46 | Corrodias | partly thanks, i'm sure, to digital distribution systems providing a relatively cheap way to get the game listed right next to all the big titles |
| 09:02.51 | Amarande | and yet people hardly ever hear of the indie games and instead shovel in the mass market junk |
| 09:03.03 | Amarande | or even the good corporate published games |
| 09:03.06 | Amarande | and instead shovel in the junk |
| 09:03.12 | Corrodias | well, when you say "hardly ever hear" of them, it kind of depends on who you're talking about. |
| 09:03.33 | Arrowmaster | well most indie games are PC |
| 09:03.35 | Corrodias | for people who pay attention to that stuff, it's easy to see them. but i suppose if you just watch television and youtube advertisements, you won't get much exposure. |
| 09:04.08 | Corrodias | yes, although the online services for the xbox and ps3 seem to be attracting a decent collection, too. |
| 09:04.31 | Arrowmaster | ive not seen many quality indie games on the xbox |
| 09:04.51 | Arrowmaster | just beat hazard but just because of how that game works i wouldnt want to play it on the xbox |
| 09:05.09 | Arrowmaster | talking about games on their indie section |
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| 09:09.29 | Arrowmaster | man i really need to try and get the rest of my anime off of my other 500gb drive, im bored and have nothing to watch |
| 09:11.45 | industrial | Fisker: I want to see your mohammed |
| 09:13.05 | industrial | show me it |
| 09:16.02 | Fisker | http://i47.tinypic.com/w8w195.png |
| 09:20.51 | Fisker | what's the matter industrial? |
| 09:20.59 | Fisker | Threatening me violence? |
| 09:21.06 | Bruners | R A G E |
| 09:21.26 | Bruners | Fisker: how dare you show an image of mohammed! |
| 09:21.44 | industrial | thats not mohammed thats my mother you filthy dogs |
| 09:21.47 | Torhal | Bruners: Jesus was getting too much press. |
| 09:21.49 | Fisker | zomg |
| 09:22.34 | Fisker | anyway why would i draw mohammed? |
| 09:22.48 | Bruners | isn't that what danish people do all day? |
| 09:23.49 | Fisker | Only Kurt Westergaard i guess |
| 09:23.56 | Fisker | but why be a jackass? |
| 09:24.25 | Bruners | for the luls? |
| 09:25.12 | Fisker | it's only luls when everyone think it's luls |
| 09:25.32 | Torhal | Pen-fifteen, Fisker. Pen-fifteen. |
| 09:25.55 | Jamash | It's only luls when *I* think it's luls |
| 09:26.41 | Fisker | i think they should just stop guarding that kurt westergaard guy |
| 09:27.04 | Fisker | then the muslims can kill him (unless he hides from them and they kill his granddaughter instead because he's too much of a bitch to protect anyone but himself) |
| 09:28.28 | Bruners | Fisker: i doubt they would kill anyone, their religion is peaceful |
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| 09:29.01 | Fisker | the people then Bruners :P |
| 09:29.09 | Fisker | stop trollin meh |
| 09:29.12 | Arrowmaster | umm they have attempted to kill him multiple times |
| 09:29.14 | harl | hallo |
| 09:29.15 | Dementati | Bruners: Heh, there's a guy in Sweden who's drawn Mohammed as well. Someone set fire to his house the other day. |
| 09:30.01 | Fisker | that guy is a total twat Dementati |
| 09:30.13 | Dementati | Why? |
| 09:30.17 | Torhal | If Mohammed's image isn't supposed to be shown, how the FUCK do they know the image is of Mohammed? |
| 09:30.21 | Fisker | for being stupid Dementati |
| 09:30.23 | Bruners | afaik it's only the sunni-muslims that rages ? |
| 09:30.40 | Dementati | Fisker: Well, someone's gotta stand up for free speech. |
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| 09:30.54 | Corrodias | Torhal: because the artist says it is, and they assume he's right, i dunno? |
| 09:30.57 | Fisker | They're not standing up for free speech |
| 09:31.04 | Dementati | Bruners: Aren't sunni the more peaceful ones? |
| 09:31.12 | Bruners | don't really care |
| 09:31.14 | Corrodias | is Fisker muslim now? :o |
| 09:31.14 | Dementati | Fisker: How so? |
| 09:31.24 | Torhal | Corrodias: Bleh. |
| 09:31.27 | Bruners | they are all (religious people) stupid peaceful or not |
| 09:31.31 | zenzio | there are plenty of ways to stand up for free speech without doing something you know a religious group will take offense from |
| 09:31.33 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkmcupFx3FQ <-Standing up for free speech |
| 09:31.43 | Fisker | That zenzio |
| 09:32.07 | Fisker | You also don't have to show pornographic pictures in conjunction with the music "Take me to the gaybar" in order to explain free speech |
| 09:32.16 | Dementati | zenzio: But if you abide by anything religious groups take offense from, you essentially let them dictate what you can and can't say or do. |
| 09:32.27 | Fisker | no Dementati |
| 09:32.33 | Corrodias | i guess all those women should just shut up about their rights, too. there are plenty of ways to stand up for women's rights without offending a religious group! |
| 09:32.34 | Fisker | That's not the point |
| 09:32.40 | Corrodias | rapin' and killin' ain't no thang. |
| 09:32.50 | Dementati | zenzio: It's fine that they don't want to draw Mohammed, but I'm not muslim, and I don't abide by their rules. |
| 09:33.08 | zenzio | Dementati: then when they stone your girlfriend for wearing a short skirt, keep your mouth shut |
| 09:33.09 | Fisker | Do you have any reason to draw Mohammed? |
| 09:33.27 | A-KO | heh |
| 09:33.32 | A-KO | I'm sorry, but I side with Dementati |
| 09:33.34 | Dementati | zenzio: I certainly won't, I'll have them arrested. |
| 09:33.53 | Bruners | Fisker: if you are writing an article it is nice to have pictures, but since noone knows what he looks like a drawing is good enough |
| 09:33.57 | Corrodias | if his sister is a muslim living in a country run by them, i suppose she has to follow their rules |
| 09:34.02 | Corrodias | but that seems like a pretty unlikely scenario |
| 09:34.06 | A-KO | If any people want to get violent because they got "offended", fuck 'em, they deserve no respect from me--PERIOD. |
| 09:34.16 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/auctionboss/index.php?q=Saronite+Bar |
| 09:34.35 | Dementati | Fisker: Maybe simply to demonstrate to them that their religious doctrines only apply to themselves. |
| 09:34.56 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: please tell me that video was a joke |
| 09:35.03 | Fisker | It is Arrowmaster |
| 09:35.10 | Arrowmaster | good |
| 09:35.21 | Fisker | it's anti-censorship/free speech humor |
| 09:35.22 | Dementati | Fisker: Since there appears to be fundamentalists that consider it valid to injure and kill anyone who doesn't abide by their doctrines. |
| 09:35.24 | zenzio | rules and laws are all based on some group's beliefs. Very often people disagree, even with their own nation's, but that doesn't mean you have to pick one of the things the group takes most offense from to show your protest; you could stick to something less offensive |
| 09:35.32 | Torhal | Fisker: Why did that video show "Wesley Crusher Hot Date" as a suggestion? |
| 09:35.38 | A-KO | no zenzelezz |
| 09:35.41 | A-KO | when you protest |
| 09:35.45 | A-KO | you go as offenseive as possible |
| 09:35.46 | A-KO | that's the point |
| 09:35.48 | Corrodias | and... why, exactly, should we try to be as inoffensive as possible? |
| 09:35.49 | Fisker | Well i can go to a bar and call someone gay Dementati |
| 09:35.50 | Dementati | Fisker: Any such behaviour must be dealt with. |
| 09:35.53 | zenzio | A-KO: I disagree |
| 09:35.54 | Fisker | i'm pretty sure that a lot of people will hit me |
| 09:36.09 | A-KO | zenzio: It's called pushing boundaries for the sake of progress. |
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| 09:36.30 | Fisker | Basically Dementati your argument boils down to this: Some people make take offense, so i have to make them take offense so i can call "Free Speech" when they beat me up |
| 09:36.47 | Corrodias | so how many of you participated in the black civil rights movement in the US? |
| 09:36.51 | Dementati | Fisker: It's fine to take offense, it's not fine to hurt people. |
| 09:37.00 | zenzio | A-KO: you can call it whatever you want, I still disagree |
| 09:37.05 | Arrowmaster | is this seriously the worst thing you can come up with to talk about the muslim religion? how they try to kill everybody that draws mohammed? |
| 09:37.09 | Corrodias | do any of you have any actual experience in this matter in other contexts? |
| 09:37.10 | A-KO | Look, you know zenzio, There are a lot of things wrong with 'religion' period, some of the extreme right-wing groups here in the US aren't much different from what we're seeing in those nations, and we would be a lot closer to them in the US if we "officially" could be a religious state. We're pretty damn close as it is. |
| 09:37.17 | Dementati | Fisker: When you start hurting people, I will stop you. |
| 09:37.18 | Fisker | I support free speech, but there's no doubt that the Mohammed pictures were made intentionally to offend people, there was no reason to make those drawings, free speech or not. |
| 09:37.29 | A-KO | Fisker: What is wrong with intentionally being offensive? |
| 09:37.37 | Dementati | Fisker: Whatever is required of me to do so. |
| 09:38.09 | Corrodias | i think a lot of people make their careers off of being offensive |
| 09:38.13 | Corrodias | comedians and politicians |
| 09:38.19 | Dementati | Fisker: The fact that some a lot of people go nuts and start hurting people when you do proves that it needs to be dealt with. |
| 09:38.22 | A-KO | Fisker: These people threaten *violence* and kill people over drawing those pictures. The point of "the day" is to give them a BIG middle finger over their stupid ass threats, behind the anonymity of the internet. |
| 09:38.31 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: and Activision CEOs |
| 09:38.36 | Corrodias | precisely |
| 09:38.47 | Wobin | Antiarc, rofl, 1970? =) |
| 09:39.02 | Fisker | A-KO i would probably be threatened by calling people gay |
| 09:39.07 | Fisker | So i don't see the issue |
| 09:39.10 | Antiarc | yeah, the conversion to JS dates are a little wonky |
| 09:39.14 | A-KO | Fisker: Obviously you've never watched Borat/Bruno :P heh. |
| 09:39.15 | Fisker | Many people taking offense to something will want to beat you up |
| 09:39.21 | Fisker | and given the right circumstances they will |
| 09:39.30 | Corrodias | and you can file charges with the police for assault |
| 09:39.37 | Fisker | Yes, so? |
| 09:39.53 | Corrodias | so it's not a "permitted" response, that's all. |
| 09:39.57 | A-KO | I'm sorry, but I support freedom of speech, unfortunately even if I don't agree with it. |
| 09:40.00 | Fisker | i didn't say it was |
| 09:40.02 | zenzio | permitted by your rules |
| 09:40.05 | Dementati | Fisker: Do you call them gay because you want to insult them, or because you think they're gay? (If the latter, why do you feel the need to verbally state their sexuality to a bar?) |
| 09:40.07 | Corrodias | okay then. |
| 09:40.10 | zenzio | clearly the people committing the crime don't agree to those rules |
| 09:40.17 | Fisker | It's just that people think that muslims are somehow special in that regard |
| 09:40.21 | Corrodias | so you're saying... i don't know what you're saying. you're saying you're afraid of being hurt, so you don't want to offend anybody. |
| 09:40.28 | Dementati | Fisker: Depending on the motivation, some statements can be considered to be harassment. |
| 09:40.28 | Fisker | Therefor the "Draw mohammed"-day is utterly and totally pointless |
| 09:40.40 | Fisker | Free speech for the purpose of nonsensical offense is retarded |
| 09:40.41 | A-KO | I just don't hold back period--if I'm in public in a restaurant I don't even stop myself from saying "Fuck" even if little kids are around. |
| 09:40.44 | A-KO | They're not my children to "protect" :P |
| 09:40.50 | Dagmar | No, it helps to identify the elements in the gene pool we need to "work on" |
| 09:41.08 | Dementati | Fisker: My motivation for drawing Mohammed is not to harass muslims, but to state that violence is not accepted, and that I cannot be made to abide by religious doctrines through violence. |
| 09:41.38 | Dementati | Fisker: If no one hurt anyone over the |
| 09:41.41 | zenzio | until they're at your door |
| 09:41.42 | A-KO | Fisker: Look, have you ever seen people pick on kids in school? If the kid has a reaction to whatever they do, then they keep getting picked on. |
| 09:41.44 | A-KO | It's pretty simple |
| 09:41.46 | zenzio | the inquisition was quite successful |
| 09:41.48 | Dementati | Mohammed drawings, I'd have no motivation to do it. |
| 09:41.58 | A-KO | zenzio: if they come ot my door they better hope they can get to me within 50 feet :P |
| 09:42.01 | Fisker | of course A-KO |
| 09:42.04 | Fisker | that's my point as well |
| 09:42.09 | Corrodias | ah, you don't understand the "problem" a lot of people have with that religion. its tendency to invade and harrass non-members in a country. its subjugation of women and freedoms in ways that don't jive with our sensibilities. if they stayed within their spaces and didn't bother the rest of us, we wouldn't care. |
| 09:42.19 | Fisker | and no Dementati that's not your reason |
| 09:42.27 | Fisker | unless you're a retard |
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| 09:42.43 | A-KO | Corrodias: I don't respect any of the 3 major Abrahamic religions, they're MOSTLY the same. Many of the same doctrines that they follow would be followed in the US, too, if they could. |
| 09:42.46 | Corrodias | you don't see us making drawings about africans killing each other. they don't involve other people. |
| 09:42.49 | Bruners | Corrodias: goes for most religions |
| 09:43.20 | Fisker | And btw that reasoning was only made available with the existence of the drawings to begin with |
| 09:43.32 | Fisker | No drawings and you would have no reason to draw mohammed today either |
| 09:43.39 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: except in the US its illegal to marry 8 year olds |
| 09:43.43 | Fisker | i.e. they were made for sake of offense, and so is yours if you do it as well |
| 09:43.47 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: Sure, but there was a time when it wasn't. |
| 09:43.48 | Dementati | Fisker: As I just stated. |
| 09:43.55 | Jamash | what's wrong with making things for the purpose of offense? |
| 09:43.58 | Corrodias | black chillens got no reason to go to the libraries, 'cause theys don't hasta read |
| 09:44.14 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: No game console in the US plays games with an AO rating, think about that for a bit :P |
| 09:44.19 | A-KO | think about why that is |
| 09:44.29 | Dementati | Fisker: I will accept no religious doctrines that prompt you to hurt other people. |
| 09:44.30 | Fisker | Jamash nothing, it just have absolutely nothing to do with free speech |
| 09:44.36 | Jamash | yes it does |
| 09:44.37 | A-KO | Fisker: yes, it does. |
| 09:44.41 | Fisker | Dementati just stop right there, we've already been over that. |
| 09:44.43 | Arrowmaster | no game console has games with an AO rating, if the games exist the console would play it |
| 09:44.50 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: negative |
| 09:44.52 | Fisker | how so A-KO ? |
| 09:45.01 | Jamash | the *purpose* of protecting free speech is to protect offensive speech |
| 09:45.05 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: AO rating games don't get sold in stores, and they aren't played by consoles. So they don't get made because they would have 0 audience. |
| 09:45.15 | Jamash | inoffensive speech doesn't need protecting |
| 09:45.26 | Corrodias | games that would garner an AO rating are typically not submitted to the ESRB for a rating. |
| 09:45.30 | Fisker | it does Jamash |
| 09:45.33 | A-KO | Corrodias: Because the ycan't be played |
| 09:45.36 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: its the wal-mart controlling our lifes issue |
| 09:45.37 | A-KO | there's no audience to them |
| 09:45.41 | Corrodias | ... no, just because there would be no point |
| 09:45.50 | A-KO | Corrodias: No, the consoles physically don't play them |
| 09:45.50 | Arrowmaster | wal-mart still doesnt sell CDs with explicit lyrics right? |
| 09:45.56 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: Why do they do that? |
| 09:46.01 | A-KO | Are you getting my point here? |
| 09:46.09 | Corrodias | are you sure? have you checked the Japanese video game market, A-KO? |
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| 09:46.21 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: GTA:SA was AO and playable by consoles! |
| 09:46.30 | A-KO | Corrodias: Most of the Japanese games are PC-based only, not console based. If you play them, it's on a modded console (also very popular in Japan) |
| 09:46.31 | Corrodias | (i believe ps3's are region free, from what i've read) |
| 09:46.38 | A-KO | uhm Arrowmaster, no it wasn't. |
| 09:46.55 | Corrodias | it wasn't what? |
| 09:46.55 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: the original version was chagned to AO and recalled |
| 09:46.59 | Jamash | L. Frank Baum was repeatedly told by publishers that "there's no market for american children's fantasy" |
| 09:47.09 | zenzio | I do have to say it annoys me to watch American TV shows when they blur out some logo or other part of the picture |
| 09:47.44 | zenzio | "hey, his mouth went all blurry... I wonder what he could possibly have been saying" |
| 09:47.52 | zenzio | that also makes no sense |
| 09:48.11 | Dementati | zenzio: Some people are quite adept at lip-reading. |
| 09:48.37 | zenzio | Dementati: my point is you know damn well what's being said even if you blur it and put a big "beep" over the audio |
| 09:48.43 | A-KO | The fact of the matter is, we're not too far a stone's throw away from the conditions the people live in those extreme muslim countries. So I try not to say anything directly bad about "muslims", because that's not my point. My point is that no matter what religion you're from, such stupid nonsense, attempts at control, and threats of violence are NOT tolerated in modern society. |
| 09:48.50 | Corrodias | this is so that children can supposedly watch the program without ... without something, i don't know what. |
| 09:48.58 | Corrodias | like you said, it's obvious what's going on. |
| 09:49.05 | Arrowmaster | you dont need to lip-read, they only bleep or mute it after the first syllable so you know exactly what the word was |
| 09:49.14 | A-KO | Corrodias: People severely underestimate little kids |
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| 09:49.29 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 09:49.30 | A-KO | I distinctly remember at 8/9 years old kids making blowjob jokes in elementary school. |
| 09:49.42 | Dementati | zenzio: Alright, sure. |
| 09:50.00 | Jamash | Of course "not tolerated" means "not tolerated unless you're a white christian republican" |
| 09:50.23 | A-KO | Jamash: no, I don't tolerate them either. Once they threaten violence, it becomes a major issue. |
| 09:50.30 | Jamash | they can make "attempts to control and threats of violence" as much as they like, and be paid by fox to do so |
| 09:50.31 | Corrodias | yeah, we've still got that particular fungus to root out, Jamash. it's not exactly a quick process. |
| 09:50.31 | Dementati | A-KO: And people are delusional concerning what harms young minds. |
| 09:50.48 | A-KO | yeah, we're working on it (Westboro Baptist Church) |
| 09:50.59 | A-KO | They are pretty damn offensive |
| 09:51.04 | A-KO | and they're more than capable of doing what they're doing |
| 09:51.20 | A-KO | Have you ever seen the shit those people pul? |
| 09:51.30 | Dementati | If they want to establish laws to prevent people from drawing Mohammed, they are free to attempt to do so through legal means. |
| 09:51.36 | Corrodias | but is their intent to actually change something overtly, or are they intentionally trying to make whatever their religion is look bad? |
| 09:51.36 | Dagmar | Half the time tho, they pansy out |
| 09:51.36 | A-KO | Go to military funerals of some kid that died and protest the funeral saying God killed them because the US loves gay people. |
| 09:52.00 | Dagmar | No, Phelps is just a dick |
| 09:53.02 | Bruners | A-KO: so what you are saying is that the US is gay ? |
| 09:53.12 | Corrodias | DID YOU CALL ME GAY |
| 09:53.17 | A-KO | sure, if that's what you want to say about it. |
| 09:53.59 | A-KO | I've got a coworker of mine, he's atheist (such as me), and his life motto is: "if you're not harming little kids, and you aren't trying to force crap on me, I really don't care what you choose to do with yourself. If you want to walk down the street naked, I'll probably laugh at it." |
| 09:54.15 | A-KO | kind of similar to other atheist-types I've met in the way they react to things. |
| 09:54.28 | Jamash | did anyone see rand paul on the teevee |
| 09:54.51 | Arrowmaster | im similar but i consider myself agnostic rather than atheist |
| 09:54.59 | Corrodias | i must sleep. have a nice night, you weirdos with even stranger schedules than mine. |
| 09:55.14 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: The point of the matter is, we don't really get "offended" by what people choose to do in their own time. |
| 09:55.19 | A-KO | It's an alien concept for a lot of people |
| 09:55.36 | Dementati | Arrowmaster: People who call themselves atheists are generally agnostics. |
| 09:55.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know that |
| 09:55.53 | Jamash | I'm an atheist |
| 09:56.02 | Dementati | A-KO: Yes, we do. |
| 09:56.30 | Bruners | i'm a christian agnostic |
| 09:56.36 | Dementati | A-KO: We get offended when people set fire to people's houses for drawing pictures of person who's been dead for a long time. |
| 09:56.48 | Dementati | of a person* |
| 09:56.51 | Jamash | The entity or entities described as deities in all religions I am aware of do not exist and cannot exist |
| 09:57.42 | Jamash | Except the flying spaghetti monster, that's totally legit |
| 09:58.02 | Dementati | Jamash: Cannot exist? |
| 09:58.12 | Bruners | i get really offended when people say the flying spagetthi monster is legit |
| 09:58.13 | Jamash | Are incompatible with the laws of physics. |
| 09:58.30 | Dementati | Jamash: But we don't know much about the laws of physics. |
| 09:58.42 | Dementati | Jamash: There are territories which we can't explore. |
| 09:59.05 | Spejnar | I get offended when people portrait my prophet as a pedofile |
| 09:59.09 | Arrowmaster | i was raised around religion and ive had a few really religious family members although my parents didnt raise me to follow any religion which is why i try to avoid being referred to as an atheist |
| 09:59.18 | Dementati | Jamash: But it's incompatible with the view of our world that is accessible to us, I'll agree. |
| 09:59.33 | Dementati | Jamash: And that's all that matters. |
| 09:59.33 | Arrowmaster | Spejnar: he was a pedofile |
| 09:59.41 | Spejnar | Arrowmaster: that is beside the point ! |
| 10:01.55 | Spejnar | Just because my prophet married a 7yo doesnt make him a pedofile! Neither does it matter that he is the perfect man and everyone should live as he did. Lying is okay if you kill poets while doing it. |
| 10:03.18 | Jamash | someone draw a picture of mohammed and jesus making out |
| 10:03.32 | Jamash | watch both sides' heads explode |
| 10:03.41 | Spejnar | only one side will kill you though |
| 10:03.48 | Dementati | Make love, not jihad. |
| 10:03.54 | Spejnar | and when Im trollin' Im expecting some freaking feedback! |
| 10:04.07 | Jamash | they see me trollin', they hatin' |
| 10:04.09 | Dementati | Spejnar: Troll better, plx. |
| 10:04.22 | Spejnar | :( |
| 10:04.34 | Spejnar | why? Im just repeating what actual muslims believe.. |
| 10:04.50 | Jamash | you gotta spice it up |
| 10:04.58 | Jamash | make it punchy |
| 10:05.01 | Spejnar | how? I think this is pretty freaking overspiced alrdy |
| 10:05.04 | Dementati | Yeah, it's not provocative when it comes from a random basement-dwelling white kid. =) |
| 10:05.08 | Spejnar | pff |
| 10:05.14 | Spejnar | Im not living in a basement! |
| 10:05.33 | Jamash | in soviet russia, basement lives in you! |
| 10:05.41 | Spejnar | auch |
| 10:06.05 | Dementati | Jamash: Do you rent your basement out? |
| 10:06.13 | Jamash | yes |
| 10:06.17 | Dementati | Kinky. |
| 10:06.30 | Jamash | I don't have one, so I just collect rent |
| 10:06.41 | Jamash | it's a pretty sweet deal |
| 10:06.59 | Dementati | You realize trafficking is looked down upon in some social circles? |
| 10:08.04 | Jamash | I only traffic in things that should be illegal but aren't |
| 10:08.16 | Bruners | sounds boring |
| 10:08.35 | Bruners | everything that is fun is illegal or highly taxed |
| 10:08.42 | Jamash | with a sideline in things that don't exist |
| 10:09.44 | Jamash | you wouldn't believe the profit margin on nonexistent goods |
| 10:10.58 | Bruners | i think all the african scam artist believe you |
| 10:11.27 | Jamash | where do you think they got all their imaginary money? |
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| 10:15.41 | DJJeff | is there a blizzard irc channel anywhere? or even a starcraft 2 beta channel? |
| 10:15.57 | DJJeff | cause I got a funny error installing starcraft 2 beta |
| 10:15.59 | DJJeff | http://i50.tinypic.com/xm0s29.png |
| 10:16.04 | DJJeff | ^^^^^^ pic |
| 10:17.01 | haste | faulty memory :D ? |
| 10:17.04 | zenzio | 0x10, that's a very low address... |
| 10:17.16 | DJJeff | this is brand new RAM |
| 10:17.21 | DJJeff | installed it last week |
| 10:17.22 | DJJeff | lol |
| 10:17.27 | haste | being new doesnt mean it isn't faulty |
| 10:17.39 | DJJeff | in fact I bought this computer last week too |
| 10:17.43 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 10:17.46 | Fisker | i hate haste |
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| 10:17.47 | zenzio | it could be something else of course, but you could try downloading memtest86 anyhow |
| 10:17.57 | DJJeff | should I run a ram test? |
| 10:18.04 | haste | being new doesn't mean it isn't faulty |
| 10:18.08 | zenzio | DJJeff: never hurts |
| 10:18.09 | DJJeff | I have memtest86 on my ubuntu live cd |
| 10:18.18 | DJJeff | ok |
| 10:18.20 | DJJeff | I will test it |
| 10:18.51 | haste | it takes time~ |
| 10:18.55 | DJJeff | will this error prevent starcraft2 from running? |
| 10:19.09 | haste | it can prevent quite a lot from running if it's your RAM |
| 10:21.01 | zenzio | DJJeff: have you had any other odd issues with the computer? |
| 10:21.16 | DJJeff | no |
| 10:21.27 | DJJeff | WoW runs fantastic |
| 10:21.47 | zenzio | well, run memtest anyway, just in case. Does the error keep happening if you try again? |
| 10:21.50 | Fisker | haste |
| 10:21.54 | Fisker | do you live in a trashcan? |
| 10:22.16 | DJJeff | no it doesnt |
| 10:22.23 | haste | Fisker: maaaybe |
| 10:22.31 | zenzio | DJJeff: you mean it worked if you tried again? |
| 10:23.26 | Fisker | nice haste |
| 10:23.50 | haste | Fisker: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/forever-white-headset-plays-music-to-your-ears-while-bleaching-y/ you need this! |
| 10:24.29 | Fisker | enough is enough! |
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| 10:55.05 | Fisker | i will destroy yo Kaso |
| 10:55.14 | Kaso | okay fair enough |
| 10:56.04 | jnwhiteh | If people here wouldn't mind, I'd love for you to 'cheer' for my sister in this event: http://www.livestrongaction.org/bike/michelle-rides-for-kim-miller |
| 10:56.12 | Fisker | i'm glad you see it that way Kaso |
| 10:56.17 | jnwhiteh | feel free to use http://mailcatch.com as a disposable email address |
| 10:56.20 | jnwhiteh | but it would mean a lot to her |
| 10:56.56 | Fisker | you must enlist the help of /b/ |
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| 11:08.31 | Fisker | ~seen Antiarc |
| 11:08.34 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 82 messages. Is idling for 1h 29m 24s, last said: 'yeah, the conversion to JS dates are a little wonky'. |
| 11:08.38 | Fisker | wake up damnit |
| 11:08.48 | Fisker | performs CPR |
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| 11:20.52 | Fisker | i cannot be stopped by haste |
| 11:21.02 | haste | but I've already stopped you! |
| 11:21.15 | haste | soon you will notice! |
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| 11:23.50 | Fisker | naw |
| 11:23.50 | Fisker | haste can't stop me |
| 11:23.57 | Fisker | it can only accelerate me |
| 11:32.08 | industrial | 'resisting akes you more attractive' ? |
| 11:32.17 | industrial | s/akes/makes/ |
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| 11:38.52 | foxlit | :/ |
| 11:39.02 | foxlit | LinkedHashSet is a HashSet. I feel so betrayed :( |
| 11:39.09 | Fisker | i betray u |
| 11:39.18 | Fisker | like all that pathetic magic |
| 11:39.27 | zenzio | how clever of them to conceal it under a different name! |
| 11:39.41 | zenzio | I'm confused. What did you expect it to be? (I'm not familiar with either) |
| 11:39.52 | foxlit | I expected it to have additional behavior. |
| 11:40.05 | Fisker | what are we talking about anyway? |
| 11:40.10 | zenzio | and it doesn't? Is it basically a typedef then? |
| 11:40.14 | Fisker | bitchducks? |
| 11:40.27 | foxlit | Basically, yeah. |
| 11:40.38 | foxlit | It just extends HashSet and provides aliases for the same constructors. |
| 11:40.46 | zenzio | that sounds odd |
| 11:40.50 | Fisker | cries |
| 11:41.19 | foxlit | (and a hashset is a hashmap. boo!) |
| 11:41.39 | krka | LinkedHashSet also remembers insertion order, right? |
| 11:41.57 | foxlit | krka: let's put it this way: it overrides no methods of HashSet. |
| 11:42.10 | Fisker | locks foxlit in a closet |
| 11:42.58 | krka | true, it doesn't |
| 11:42.59 | krka | weird |
| 11:43.57 | foxlit | I basically wanted a set that could allow me to remove any entries inserted after a particular entry. |
| 11:44.11 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 11:44.17 | Fisker | there's no internet or computers in the cloest |
| 11:44.19 | Fisker | closet* |
| 11:44.29 | foxlit | Fisker: get out of the closet, then. |
| 11:45.34 | Fisker | i put you in it |
| 11:45.47 | foxlit | Hm, chained hash. |
| 11:45.52 | Fisker | raaaaaaage |
| 11:46.16 | foxlit | I could totally implement that without any standard classes, but, meh, lazy. |
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| 11:52.02 | Mnc | o/ |
| 11:52.09 | zenzio | \o |
| 11:52.37 | krka | foxlit: LOL |
| 11:52.41 | krka | check out line 282 in HashSet |
| 11:53.21 | zenzio | share for those of us who don't know what files you guys are talking about :-p |
| 11:57.15 | krka | http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#Se1ViPHQ2_c/~ssh/cj/code/ccf-src.tar.gz|6IRIrKOz-Zo/cj/util/HashSet.java&q=hashset.java&l=269 |
| 11:57.17 | Fisker | .o. |
| 11:57.20 | Fisker | i keel u? |
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| 12:06.20 | Mnc | Hmm, how can I differentiate between which slash command was used to trigger a response from an addon? And not arguments, but the /command itself :/ |
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| 12:13.03 | Kaso | Mnc: im not sure how you have set up you slash commands via a library or whatever, but the vanilla way to do is that you assign a function to be called for each slash command set, so just set multiple functions to multiple sets |
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| 12:15.10 | Mnc | so /stopmyaddon would require its own funtion StopMyAddon() enable = false end |
| 12:15.47 | Kaso | something like that |
| 12:15.58 | Kaso | putting a slash command for each function of your addon is pretty bad form though |
| 12:16.04 | Kaso | whats wrong with /myaddon stop ? |
| 12:16.26 | Mnc | just easier to /stopme imo :D |
| 12:16.37 | Mnc | Makes more linguistic sense, or whatever |
| 12:17.23 | Wobin | doesn't make programmatic sense though |
| 12:17.28 | Mnc | I know :P |
| 12:22.15 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 12:22.19 | Fisker | you are now a duck |
| 12:24.39 | zenzio | "So.. to fix GS you suggest adding an ingame epeen meter inferiour to recount since it only shows dps/hps? gotcha, sounds awesome" |
| 12:27.08 | Kaso | remove inspect and combat logging functionality, make other people see your armor with randomised artwork |
| 12:27.11 | Kaso | GS fixed! |
| 12:27.40 | Fisker | Canard? |
| 12:28.21 | Kaso | speaking of inferior to recount, i tried skada out the other day |
| 12:28.36 | Kaso | i must say it isnt very friendly from a usability perspective. |
| 12:28.50 | zenzio | is recount? |
| 12:29.02 | zenzio | I only tried recount once, and the config confused me |
| 12:29.06 | Wobin | yes? |
| 12:29.11 | Wobin | recount is pretty easy to use |
| 12:31.02 | Kaso | im not really an objective viewer, ive been using recount for a long time, but i was struggling to do simple tasks on skada. Like a tank died and got combat ressed, after we wiped i wanted to see why he died the first time, i couldn't figure out how to show his first death |
| 12:31.31 | Kaso | And at some other point i wanted to see my overall healing done broken down by spell, i couldn't figure that one out either |
| 12:32.01 | zenzio | oh, I'm not arguing, it was an honest question. I only tried recount once after having a break, to (try to) see how I was doing in PUGs |
| 12:32.16 | foxlit | krka: check out line 282 in HashSet << Bastards! |
| 12:33.20 | Kaso | zenzio: as i say it might be just familarity with recount that makes it seem more intuitive to me |
| 12:33.39 | Wobin | recount is pretty straightforward though |
| 12:33.40 | Mnc | is it --[[ block ]] -- to comment out larger sections of code? |
| 12:33.46 | Wobin | click on stuff to drill down |
| 12:33.50 | Wobin | Mnc, yes |
| 12:33.58 | zenzio | Kaso: well the screenshots I've seen of recount made it look pretty nice; it was only the configuration I didn't quite figure |
| 12:34.05 | Wobin | although I often use --[[ --]] |
| 12:34.15 | Wobin | zenzio, it's pretty much install and forget |
| 12:34.18 | Kaso | i must admit the configuration is a bit odd |
| 12:34.21 | Wobin | there's not much you'd need to configure |
| 12:34.35 | Mnc | so broken down, it requires --[[ and ]] ? |
| 12:34.45 | Wobin | well [[ ]] indicate a string block |
| 12:34.56 | Kaso | also the fact that things like the R?(D|H)PS charts are accessed from config doesnt make sense |
| 12:35.01 | Wobin | the initial -- makes it all a comment |
| 12:35.04 | zenzio | Wobin: maybe that's my problem... I always install and go straight to the options :-p |
| 12:35.08 | Mnc | cheers :) |
| 12:35.36 | Fisker | sneezes |
| 12:36.40 | foxlit | "As of build 12045 of the 3.3.5 PTR, AVR will no longer work. They have removed the ability to get the camera patch, yaw and distance" |
| 12:36.49 | Wobin | aw man |
| 12:36.57 | foxlit | Overly optimistic. |
| 12:37.11 | foxlit | Now they'll just patch AVR to lock your camera to a fixed pitch, yaw and distance. |
| 12:37.12 | Wobin | looks like antiarc's hudmap will be the only way =P |
| 12:37.44 | zenzio | "It's like if Wow and facebook had a baby." o_O |
| 12:41.46 | Fisker | fail foxlit |
| 12:42.00 | foxlit | Fail fisk? |
| 12:42.10 | Fisker | the great thing about it is that it doesn't provide any real advantage over range addons or for example even hudmap |
| 12:43.05 | foxlit | Irrelevant fisk, then. |
| 12:43.27 | Fisker | your mom is irrelevant |
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| 12:44.54 | Fisker | bam |
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| 13:27.34 | Fisker | ~seen Antiarc |
| 13:27.38 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 82 messages. Is idling for 3h 48m 28s, last said: 'yeah, the conversion to JS dates are a little wonky'. |
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| 13:34.16 | haste | Fisker: but I have |
| 13:35.25 | Fisker | no! |
| 13:35.54 | Fisker | you will be required to supply me with information haste |
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| 13:52.24 | Fisker | i f5'd |
| 13:52.47 | haste | --- 192.168.15.1 ping statistics --- |
| 13:52.49 | haste | 227 packets transmitted, 162 received, +9 errors, 28% packet loss, time 226000ms |
| 13:52.52 | haste | I wonder if I should buy a new router |
| 13:53.03 | industrial | i searched for an rsync tool for windows with gui |
| 13:53.10 | industrial | for free, etcetc |
| 13:54.09 | haste | industrial: did you look at Grsync |
| 13:55.21 | industrial | not yet!\ |
| 13:55.31 | haste | industrial: first hit on google! |
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| 13:57.01 | Fisker | your mom was the first hit on google |
| 13:57.41 | haste | Rain. Calm, 0 m/s. 0 mm precipitation. |
| 13:57.44 | haste | totally makes sense |
| 13:58.19 | Fisker | should i agree or disagree? |
| 13:58.48 | haste | you should agree! |
| 14:01.35 | Fisker | Then i agree |
| 14:02.18 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 14:02.19 | Fisker | you here? |
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| 14:06.23 | zenzelezz | ""Australian customs officers have been given the power to search incoming travelers' laptops and mobile phones for porn. Passengers must declare whether they are carrying pornography on their Incoming Passenger Card." -- I knew traffic from overseas was expensive in Australia, but this seems like a silly way to import porn |
| 14:06.27 | cog|away | McRuns Fisker's mom |
| 14:06.36 | cog|away | oops macro limit reached |
| 14:07.42 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 14:07.55 | cog|away | she just can't fit inside the character limit |
| 14:08.04 | Wobin | zenzelezz, it's certainly a faster method than downloading =( |
| 14:08.15 | zenzelezz | cog|away: lol |
| 14:08.19 | cog|away | zenzelezz: http://cogwheel.info/wow/McRun.html |
| 14:08.28 | cog|away | (if you didn't know what i meant by McRun) |
| 14:09.37 | zenzelezz | cog|away: hm, that's clever. And I had heard the name, but that's all :-p |
| 14:10.27 | industrial | im in ur cloud bein a smart addinz ? |
| 14:10.34 | Fisker | silly addon |
| 14:10.37 | Fisker | and it sucks |
| 14:10.41 | Fisker | work that cog Codayus |
| 14:10.43 | Fisker | bah |
| 14:10.51 | Wobin | cog |
| 14:10.53 | Wobin | cog |
| 14:11.01 | Wobin | you're missing a prime opportunity in your last list |
| 14:11.10 | Wobin | Don;t use semicolons; |
| 14:11.10 | Fisker | i cog u Wobin |
| 14:11.28 | Wobin | E li minate al l un neccessary wh ite spa c e |
| 14:12.05 | haste | I need a word! |
| 14:12.07 | haste | any word |
| 14:12.11 | Wobin | frog |
| 14:12.16 | industrial | PENIS |
| 14:12.23 | haste | Wobin was first! |
| 14:12.27 | industrial | I was better! |
| 14:12.32 | haste | *sets playlist to frog* |
| 14:12.37 | Wobin | yours was too small |
| 14:12.37 | olafski | either a semicolon or a newline.. does that matter much? |
| 14:12.39 | haste | I'll take yours afterwards! |
| 14:13.56 | industrial | Wobin: your 'frog' is bigger then my 'PENIS' ? |
| 14:14.05 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:14.14 | Wobin | it's one of those cute little treefrogs |
| 14:14.19 | industrial | well mine has more pixels |
| 14:14.35 | industrial | :P |
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| 14:22.24 | Wobin | holy crap |
| 14:22.33 | Wobin | the mascots for the 2012 London Olympics? |
| 14:22.39 | Wobin | what were the designers -on-? |
| 14:22.43 | Wobin | they're flat out freaky |
| 14:22.55 | Wobin | http://www.buzzfeed.com/akdobbins/meet-your-2012-london-olympic-mascots |
| 14:23.54 | cog|away | Wobin: done |
| 14:23.55 | cog|away | :) |
| 14:23.56 | Kaso | that's designers for you |
| 14:24.05 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, c'mon, they live in London. Who else would design a pair of CCTV cameras as mascots? |
| 14:24.13 | Wobin | cog|away, <3 |
| 14:24.29 | foxlit | They'll record EVERYTHING. |
| 14:24.31 | Ackis | my toe hurts :'( |
| 14:24.32 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:25.08 | zenzelezz | Wobin: I figured they combined the aliens from Simpsons with something out of Japanese.... well, anything Japanese |
| 14:27.32 | Dezzimal | inikgnot and err |
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| 14:38.38 | olafski | cog|away: I like that mcrun idea :D |
| 14:38.53 | olafski | even though I use curse addonsync to get my addons elsewhere =( |
| 14:39.02 | Zyn | http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/46786/1274293406/Olympics2012.jpg |
| 14:39.50 | industrial | internaqtional companies ftw, I can talk in english at work =D |
| 14:39.58 | industrial | or, i have to, really >_> |
| 14:40.06 | Wobin | twitches. "Eyeballing Vodka"? |
| 14:45.07 | Fisker | wtf Zyn |
| 14:45.19 | Fisker | I'm not the only one seeing a blowjob there right? |
| 14:45.20 | industrial | doesn't get it |
| 14:45.52 | olafski | yeah that's new wobin |
| 14:45.54 | olafski | I heard about it this morning |
| 14:45.56 | Caleb| | now that you say Fisker |
| 14:46.07 | Fisker | :(? |
| 14:46.10 | haste | industrial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFbKsJBRr0o explains all! |
| 14:46.16 | Caleb| | I CAN NOT UNSEE IT! |
| 14:46.51 | Fisker | btw |
| 14:46.53 | olafski | wobin: I heard about something else too, involving vodka and inserting it in ways it wasn't meant for |
| 14:47.01 | Fisker | Anyone know if that AH remote thingy will be per account or per battle.net account |
| 14:47.11 | Fisker | it seems to sound like it's one per wow account |
| 14:47.14 | Kalroth | haste: venetian snares :D |
| 14:47.30 | foxlit | not seems like, stated as. |
| 14:47.32 | Fisker | herpes herpes hepres haste |
| 14:48.00 | industrial | herpies |
| 14:48.08 | industrial | her pies? |
| 14:48.26 | Fisker | well according to the "stated as" i can also sell BoP items |
| 14:48.30 | Fisker | so. |
| 14:49.19 | Fisker | and i don't think it's really that "stated-as" |
| 14:49.36 | Fisker | unless there's another explanation i missed somewhere :P |
| 14:49.53 | Fisker | there |
| 14:49.55 | Fisker | was |
| 14:49.58 | Fisker | fffffffffffuuuuuu- |
| 14:49.59 | foxlit | Well done. |
| 14:50.25 | Fisker | well i hate you foxlit |
| 14:53.16 | foxlit | "cannot create a generic array of E" |
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| 14:53.57 | haste | Kalroth: he needs to come to norway again :( |
| 14:54.13 | Fisker | i'll come to norway |
| 14:54.30 | Fisker | for free |
| 14:54.47 | Fisker | what about you haste ? |
| 14:54.56 | haste | already in norway! |
| 14:55.03 | Kalroth | haha |
| 14:55.15 | Fisker | haste |
| 14:55.16 | Fisker | login |
| 14:55.19 | Fisker | on eu.battle.net |
| 14:55.26 | Fisker | tell me if you get murlocs |
| 14:56.33 | haste | Fisker: I do |
| 14:57.05 | Fisker | then i must hate blizzard |
| 14:57.07 | Fisker | like i hate ckknight |
| 14:57.22 | ckknight | no you don't |
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| 14:58.18 | Wobin | ugh |
| 14:58.24 | Kalroth | poor ckk :( |
| 14:59.04 | Wobin | BRK is back, but this is his 4th no-content-due-to-nda-but-I'll-liveblog-it-all post |
| 14:59.10 | Wobin | and it's really stupid |
| 14:59.33 | haste | who? |
| 14:59.39 | Wobin | BigRedKitty |
| 14:59.42 | haste | who? |
| 14:59.44 | Fisker | btw ckknight |
| 14:59.46 | Wobin | he was a pretty decent hunter blogger back in the day |
| 14:59.48 | Fisker | why do you support ZAM? |
| 14:59.51 | ckknight | yes, Fisker? |
| 14:59.53 | ckknight | how so? |
| 14:59.55 | industrial | back in the day yea |
| 15:00.00 | ckknight | I don't remember supporting Zam |
| 15:00.00 | industrial | bc, when bm was the shit etc |
| 15:00.19 | Fisker | You talked to the WoW Magazine regarding Pitbull -> WoW Magazine forums is hosted by WoWhead -> Wowhead is part of ZAM |
| 15:00.20 | Fisker | BAM! |
| 15:00.37 | industrial | what are you going to do now ckknight ! |
| 15:00.44 | Fisker | only 3 steps! |
| 15:00.47 | Wobin | It's like six degrees of Kevin Bacon =P |
| 15:00.50 | Fisker | i'm no glenn beck though |
| 15:00.53 | Wobin | Fisker |
| 15:00.54 | Wobin | You realise |
| 15:00.58 | Wobin | you now support ZAM |
| 15:01.00 | Wobin | cause you know ckknight |
| 15:01.03 | ckknight | Fisker: pretty sure those are unofficial forums |
| 15:01.04 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:01.10 | Fisker | not according to wowhead |
| 15:01.27 | Fisker | "The World of Warcraft Official Magazine has created their very own official forumsâand you can find them right here on Wowhead!" |
| 15:01.46 | Fisker | Wobin you wouldn't happen to have a moustache right? |
| 15:01.49 | ckknight | eh, whatever |
| 15:01.51 | haste | Fisker is onto you ckknight ! |
| 15:02.22 | Wobin | no |
| 15:02.23 | Fisker | :P |
| 15:02.29 | Fisker | oh well then you're goebbels |
| 15:02.39 | industrial | Fisker is coming onto ckknight? (Im east indian deaf, i hear only what I want to) |
| 15:03.00 | Wobin | Fisker is ckknight?! |
| 15:03.29 | Mihau | Nooooo! |
| 15:03.43 | Fisker | Well if both were true i would be masturbating |
| 15:03.49 | Fisker | And since i am masturbating it must be true |
| 15:04.27 | Fisker | anyway ckknight |
| 15:04.28 | industrial | logic prevails |
| 15:04.40 | Fisker | it does seem a bit odd that they would need to have their forums hosted at wowhead |
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| 15:06.40 | Fisker | guess ckknight ragequitted :/ |
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| 15:14.08 | Kaso | ragequit |
| 15:14.11 | Kaso | no ed needed! |
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| 15:17.08 | Shirik | ed? |
| 15:18.19 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:18.33 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 15:19.07 | Fisker | i love mainstream coverage of Google I/O |
| 15:19.19 | Fisker | "Google wanna kill Mac and Windows" |
| 15:19.34 | Shirik | google I/O? |
| 15:19.43 | Fisker | if it's not it's name i hate you |
| 15:19.51 | Fisker | it is |
| 15:20.03 | Fisker | why don't you know about that Shirik? :( |
| 15:20.07 | Fisker | http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/ |
| 15:20.22 | Fisker | Anyway the other one is "Google develops flash competitor" |
| 15:20.43 | Fisker | referring to the WebM video format thingy |
| 15:20.44 | Fisker | durr |
| 15:20.51 | Fisker | flash is only used for videso |
| 15:20.53 | Fisker | videos* |
| 15:22.16 | Shirik | I have determined |
| 15:22.20 | Shirik | google is communism |
| 15:23.16 | Fisker | i wish Shirik |
| 15:25.21 | Fisker | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/debut-trailer-get-to-tha/100370 <-lol copyright infringement |
| 15:26.57 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 15:27.08 | Fisker | someone posted a link to porn in trade |
| 15:27.11 | Fisker | is this awesome? |
| 15:27.18 | Shirik | no |
| 15:27.24 | Shirik | it will probably be wow porn |
| 15:27.42 | Fisker | it wasn't |
| 15:27.48 | Fisker | i mean i think |
| 15:28.27 | Elkano | oh come on Fisker... don't fake... I'm sure you even knew the actress |
| 15:28.34 | Spejnar | more wow porn to the people ! |
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| 15:35.14 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:36.03 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleDevelopers <-anyone have issues with audio? |
| 15:39.08 | haste | yeah |
| 15:39.10 | haste | it keeps looping |
| 15:39.15 | haste | Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 15:39.33 | Fisker | haste haste haste haste haste? |
| 15:41.04 | Kaso | Adys: you're a chrome fan aren't you? I hold you personally responsible for this chrome bug. |
| 15:42.14 | cog|work | kd3: ping |
| 15:42.16 | Shirik | hahahahahaha |
| 15:42.18 | Shirik | Canada ftw |
| 15:42.19 | Shirik | http://www.mightaswelldance.com/blog/2010/05/how-wikipedia-kept-me-out-of-jail/ |
| 15:42.27 | sylvanaar | did you all have to update your ptr from 3.01 |
| 15:42.33 | sylvanaar | this is taking forever |
| 15:43.28 | sylvanaar | im on 3.2.2 so far =/ |
| 15:45.57 | Fisker | frozen yoghurt jnwhiteh |
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| 15:49.16 | Fisker | I CAME |
| 15:49.24 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 15:49.34 | Kalroth | no, I don't want it |
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| 15:50.01 | Fisker | want what? |
| 15:50.11 | Kalroth | Your heys! |
| 15:50.22 | Fisker | :o |
| 15:51.15 | Wobin | rofl |
| 15:51.21 | Wobin | apple... BURN |
| 15:51.35 | Fisker | haha yeah |
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| 15:51.40 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:51.41 | Fisker | stop watching the same stream as me |
| 15:51.46 | cog|work | station! |
| 15:51.46 | Fisker | PORNWATCHING! |
| 15:51.47 | Fisker | oh |
| 15:51.55 | Wobin | it's like I'm watching OVER YOUR SHOULDER, Fisker |
| 15:52.02 | Fisker | yeah Wobin |
| 15:52.18 | Fisker | what won't i love according to that guy? |
| 15:55.09 | zenzelezz | you really don't want to be watching over Fisker's shoulder |
| 15:55.14 | olafski | damn you fisker I've been watching that stream for 16 minutes now |
| 15:55.40 | Wobin | zenzelezz, that's alright, his body is screening what he's doing in front |
| 15:56.32 | Wobin | he's a good speaker |
| 15:56.36 | Wobin | doesn't get flustered |
| 15:56.39 | olafski | yeah |
| 15:56.42 | olafski | the demo effect! |
| 15:56.55 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't say Fisker's a good speaker |
| 15:59.51 | Fisker | not that awesome voice synthesis ;( |
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| 16:00.03 | Wobin | possibly muffled cause it was flat |
| 16:00.30 | olafski | he does like to burn apple doesn't he :P |
| 16:00.31 | Fisker | ah yeah |
| 16:00.34 | Fisker | indeed |
| 16:00.36 | Wobin | it's so easy |
| 16:01.05 | zenzelezz | well, who doesn't? |
| 16:01.10 | olafski | :) |
| 16:02.07 | Fisker | give online app database |
| 16:02.23 | olafski | I'd like a smart phone.. but I just wonder if I'd really install 40 apps on it |
| 16:02.47 | olafski | might be that I don't have one now.. but I don't really see myself doing much more than calling and browsing a bit |
| 16:02.51 | Wobin | you won't |
| 16:02.55 | Wobin | well, you will |
| 16:02.57 | olafski | oh, a calendar is something I'd like |
| 16:03.01 | Wobin | but you won't -use- 40 all the time |
| 16:03.21 | Wobin | I think they did a study on the iphone |
| 16:03.26 | Wobin | people are fast to install apps |
| 16:03.33 | Wobin | but hardly ever use it after the first few days |
| 16:03.37 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 16:03.45 | olafski | yeah I understand that :) |
| 16:03.49 | Wobin | personally, aside from the music/phone/email |
| 16:03.53 | Wobin | I use the authenticator |
| 16:03.57 | Wobin | and Stanza |
| 16:04.01 | Wobin | and occasionally bookworm |
| 16:04.16 | Fisker | what about bookworm bitches? |
| 16:04.23 | Wobin | it's an awesome game |
| 16:04.30 | Fisker | i mean the porn |
| 16:04.31 | Fisker | :P |
| 16:04.33 | olafski | I was thinking I'd actually get an iphone.. but seeing this I'm not so sure :P |
| 16:05.06 | Wobin | yeah |
| 16:05.08 | Wobin | I'd wait |
| 16:05.15 | zenzelezz | the iPhone is a very nice platform, but I'm still sticking with my Android |
| 16:05.18 | Fisker | i really like the "push to phone" thingy in chrome |
| 16:05.25 | Wobin | the iphone is nice |
| 16:05.31 | olafski | I've never actually seen an iphone, nor an android phone |
| 16:05.37 | Wobin | itunes is what keeps me on it, really |
| 16:05.41 | olafski | (nor a windows mobile one) |
| 16:05.48 | Wobin | since we don't have amazon or the like for mp3 purchase here |
| 16:06.17 | zenzelezz | in our office, my three coworkers have iPhones, I have a G1 (Android)... I'm out iPhone coder |
| 16:06.19 | zenzelezz | *our |
| 16:06.20 | Wobin | (also, cause my iphone was free) |
| 16:06.57 | Fisker | yay |
| 16:07.01 | Fisker | finally |
| 16:07.03 | Wobin | hehe =) |
| 16:07.15 | Wobin | creeeeepy! |
| 16:08.12 | Fisker | i like his sarcasm |
| 16:08.45 | zenzelezz | was that sarcasm? |
| 16:08.47 | Wobin | now -this- I'd like |
| 16:10.07 | Fisker | fail |
| 16:10.58 | Wobin | there appears to be a -lot- of lag with the touchscreen |
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| 16:12.13 | Fisker | I believe it's an issue with the nexus one touchscreen |
| 16:12.25 | Fisker | it isn't lag, it's just that it thinks you press somewhere else |
| 16:14.04 | Wobin | asfma |
| 16:14.14 | Wobin | sounds like a breathing difficulty with a lisp |
| 16:15.30 | Fisker | omg no flash |
| 16:15.32 | Antiarc | eeee, I haz data :D |
| 16:15.32 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/auctionboss/index.php?q=Primordial+Saronite |
| 16:15.44 | zenzelezz | I'm thankful there's no Flash |
| 16:16.04 | Fisker | but there is zenzelezz |
| 16:16.12 | Fisker | btw Antiarc |
| 16:16.17 | Fisker | they're showing of froyo |
| 16:16.17 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleDevelopers |
| 16:16.27 | Fisker | and we're finally getting an online market place for android |
| 16:16.33 | Fisker | and you don't have to do shit |
| 16:16.41 | Fisker | just install through your browser and the phone automatically picks it up |
| 16:16.46 | Antiarc | Ohoooooooooooooooooohhhhhhh |
| 16:16.47 | Fisker | or "click install" |
| 16:17.00 | Fisker | no need to have it connected to the computer at all |
| 16:17.03 | Wobin | they've got a whole lot of push to phone stuff |
| 16:17.06 | zenzelezz | Google needs to get a marketplace where you can actually *buy* stuff in more countries |
| 16:17.06 | Wobin | it's pretty nifty |
| 16:17.14 | Fisker | true zenzelezz |
| 16:18.19 | Wobin | it's US only? |
| 16:18.39 | Fisker | not exactly |
| 16:18.43 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure. All I know is here you can't buy apps |
| 16:18.44 | Fisker | but it's region dependent in some way |
| 16:18.48 | Fisker | same here |
| 16:18.55 | Fisker | But i believe you can buy apps in UK for example |
| 16:19.02 | Fisker | but that's not even all apps |
| 16:19.39 | Wobin | hdmi -output-? |
| 16:19.42 | Fisker | yeah |
| 16:19.47 | Fisker | it's insane that phone |
| 16:19.48 | Wobin | isn't that plug a bit chunky? |
| 16:19.53 | zenzelezz | well, would you prefer HDMI *input*? |
| 16:19.56 | Fisker | mini hdmi of course |
| 16:20.06 | Wobin | ah rightio |
| 16:20.14 | Wobin | Damn you =) |
| 16:20.25 | Fisker | i want it too :( |
| 16:20.32 | Fisker | except we don't have 4g here yet |
| 16:20.53 | Wobin | nor here, I don't think |
| 16:21.11 | Wobin | bah |
| 16:21.13 | Wobin | I have to go to bed |
| 16:21.21 | Wobin | you'll have to tell me how it turns out, tomorrow =) |
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| 16:21.39 | Fisker | :o |
| 16:22.17 | Wobin | 5... hours a day? |
| 16:22.30 | Wobin | I guess... |
| 16:22.43 | Wobin | anyway. Night all |
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| 16:26.06 | merijn | I have the following frames: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136671 which seems to work quite well, but the icon of my debuffs sticks out from under the overlay. Which means I need to shrink enlarge the button size for debuffs, but this seems to also increase the size of its icon meaning I have the same problem. The alternative is to shrink the icon size for debuffs, but I don't know how to accomplish this in XML |
| 16:26.28 | Lunessa | Re: Apps - I've installed like, 7. And of those, I use them consistently, but I delete anything that I don't use or haver a need for all the time. |
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| 16:31.08 | Fisker | zomg dinovo |
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| 16:34.42 | Fisker | omg onscreen drama |
| 16:34.54 | Wobin | No. It Is Not Switched! |
| 16:35.41 | Lopeppeppy | dramas! |
| 16:36.21 | Fisker | lol |
| 16:36.27 | Fisker | nicholas cage's animal sex diet |
| 16:36.28 | Fisker | wtf? |
| 16:36.32 | Wobin | inorite |
| 16:36.34 | Wobin | wtf |
| 16:36.45 | zenzelezz | well, with Nicholas Cage... who knows? |
| 16:36.46 | Wobin | (this is why you never depend on wireless for a demo =P) |
| 16:36.58 | Wobin | wtf |
| 16:37.07 | Wobin | octomom urges people to spay their pets? |
| 16:37.15 | Wobin | WHO THE HELL FORGOT TO SPAY HER? |
| 16:37.16 | Fisker | atleast they got a divovo |
| 16:37.56 | Fisker | omg market for google tv confirmed! |
| 16:38.45 | Wobin | yeah, but does it also offer torrents? =P |
| 16:38.56 | Fisker | i wish |
| 16:39.34 | Fisker | http://developer.android.com/index.html <-om nom nom |
| 16:39.40 | zenzelezz | yes, but they'll rename them WebT |
| 16:39.44 | Fisker | not a different remote? you used several! |
| 16:39.56 | Wobin | and different boxes! |
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| 16:40.35 | Mnc | does AddMessage work like, ("lots %i of %i text %i", var1, var2, var) ? |
| 16:40.49 | zenzelezz | no |
| 16:40.52 | Mnc | :\ |
| 16:41.02 | zenzelezz | look at string.format or somesuch |
| 16:41.13 | zenzelezz | or just concatenate |
| 16:41.22 | Mnc | "string" .. var .. "string" ? |
| 16:41.33 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 16:42.48 | cog|work | isn't there an AddFormattedMessage? |
| 16:42.57 | Fisker | LOL |
| 16:43.02 | Fisker | mother's day MILF |
| 16:43.14 | zenzelezz | /dump ChatFrame1.AddFormattedMessage |
| 16:43.17 | zenzelezz | empty result |
| 16:43.23 | zenzelezz | could still be one somewhere |
| 16:43.35 | cog|work | i must be hallucinating |
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| 16:44.12 | cog|work | ah i'm thinking of SetFormattedText |
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| 16:45.19 | Fisker | nice try |
| 16:45.23 | Fisker | "his son likes it" |
| 16:45.24 | Fisker | suuuuuuuuure |
| 16:48.06 | Lunessa | Inc forum vacation in 3... 2... 1... http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25002149994&postId=249997307222&sid=1#2 |
| 16:49.12 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa. |
| 16:49.38 | Lunessa | Yes, Lopeppeppy I would indeed X your Y. |
| 16:49.41 | Lopeppeppy | Everything but that last line. Did someone pee in your cheerios this morning? |
| 16:49.53 | Lunessa | More or less. |
| 16:50.02 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you for the offer, but my Y is feeling sufficiently crossed today. I also had my cheerios pissed in. *hug* |
| 16:50.25 | Lunessa | Meh, edited it. |
| 16:51.00 | zenzelezz | you guys need to keep your cheerios in a safer place |
| 16:52.01 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I'm going to piss in your cherios. |
| 16:52.17 | zenzelezz | we don't have cheerios here |
| 16:52.45 | Lunessa | Then your porridge, lutefisk, or other freakish morning food. |
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| 16:53.08 | zenzelezz | I don't eat breakfast |
| 16:53.24 | Lunessa | heathen. |
| 16:54.20 | zenzelezz | that much is true |
| 16:56.33 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/auctionboss/index.php?q=Primordial+Saronite :D |
| 16:56.39 | Antiarc | I haz an AH stock ticker now. |
| 16:57.45 | Fisker | you will mae bot for me |
| 16:57.49 | Adys | Google has released a data prediction API. The service helps users leverage historical data to make predictions that can guide real-time decisions. According to Google, the API can be used for prediction tasks ranging from product recommendations to churn analysis (predicting which customers are likely to switch to another provider). The API involves three simple steps: upload the data, train the model, then generate predictions. The API is currently avai |
| 16:57.49 | Adys | lable on an invitation-only basis." Google also recently announced several other API additions, including Buzz, Fonts, and Storage. |
| 16:58.08 | Xinhuan | can they predict AH prices in wow |
| 16:58.09 | Fisker | oooold |
| 16:58.26 | Cide | ~faildys |
| 16:58.27 | purl | FAIL, Adys, FAIL! |
| 16:58.33 | Adys | Xinhuan: if i gave them my auction house statistics, im sure they could |
| 16:58.34 | zenzelezz | I'm not very happy about he Fonts thing... there's already enough silly fonts being used |
| 16:58.54 | Cide | oh noo |
| 16:58.55 | Adys | so? |
| 16:59.17 | Adys | first of all the fonts they published are a very specific set |
| 16:59.21 | Adys | and also |
| 16:59.43 | Adys | @font-face is very useful for themed website; eg a website about a specific game, viral ads, so on |
| 16:59.47 | Adys | afk food |
| 16:59.51 | Lunessa | Google - not happy until you use their O/S for every device, their cloud for your storage, their network for your connection, their electricity for your home, drive their car, and eat the food they grow in their high-tech vats. |
| 17:00.11 | Adys | if google releases a car, I'll get my drivers license |
| 17:00.39 | Lunessa | If they release a car, you won't be able to see the road without clicking the damned ad banner closed. |
| 17:00.43 | Fisker | redesigning GPS nav |
| 17:03.34 | Xinhuan | anyone here ordered the wow magazine? |
| 17:04.06 | Fisker | sure Xinhuan |
| 17:04.21 | Xinhuan | did you receive your issues? |
| 17:04.26 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:04.50 | Xinhuan | cos,i'm getting nowhere with their customer service |
| 17:05.05 | Fisker | O_o |
| 17:05.08 | Xinhuan | #1 + replacement issue #1 + issue #2 hasn't arrived |
| 17:05.20 | Fisker | well i found out something odd |
| 17:05.23 | Fisker | they cut of city names |
| 17:05.26 | Thunder_Child | http://www.instructables.com/id/Bacon-Fruit-Cups/ |
| 17:05.27 | Fisker | had to have mine edited manually |
| 17:05.30 | Fisker | and it's still cut off |
| 17:05.35 | Xinhuan | huh |
| 17:05.45 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 17:05.51 | Xinhuan | dont' get what you mean |
| 17:06.18 | zenzelezz | guessing the city name isn't used when they address the magazines? |
| 17:06.31 | Fisker | Well instead of New york it would say New yo |
| 17:06.48 | Xinhuan | that's irrelevant, because if the city name Singapore isn't in the address, at the minimum the country Singapore should be |
| 17:06.54 | Fisker | k |
| 17:07.09 | Xinhuan | and if that isn't in it, the POSTAL code "singapore ######" would be in it |
| 17:07.47 | Xinhuan | so in the latest email exchange they say issue #1 isn't available anymore and my subscription will be extended an issue instead |
| 17:08.20 | Xinhuan | i replied this isn't acceptable, and they replied they would send another issue #1, and each replacement so far is going to take 8-10 weeks to deliver |
| 17:08.23 | Lunessa | Xinhuan: Sucks. |
| 17:09.01 | Lunessa | You should change your address to a US friend's and have them forward via Int'l air mail. |
| 17:09.04 | Xinhuan | so, anyone knows of any way to contact their higher management? |
| 17:09.24 | Fisker | dunno |
| 17:09.29 | Fisker | you could ask on the official forum though |
| 17:09.32 | Xinhuan | my questions of steps they have taken to rectify the issue, why issues got lost, why deliveryt takes 8-10 weeks aren't answered |
| 17:09.45 | Xinhuan | nor why my order was processed 16 days after payment |
| 17:10.40 | Xinhuan | as for changing address and forwarding, i don't see why i have to pay extra charges for a subscription contract |
| 17:11.24 | zenzelezz | we're not saying you should, just that it could potentially at least help until they fix their shit |
| 17:11.36 | Lunessa | You shouldn't. They should be providing the service you're paying for. |
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| 17:11.58 | Lunessa | Which is a reasonable delivery of the very expensive art magazine to you in a reasonable time frame. |
| 17:12.18 | Xinhuan | exactly, i also asked to be referred to higher management, which was ignored with a standard reply of "replacement copy will take 8-10 weeks to arrive" |
| 17:12.39 | nevcairiel | why would you order that anyway! |
| 17:12.39 | Xinhuan | at this stage, i'm tempted to either go public or go the blizzard route |
| 17:13.01 | Xinhuan | nev, i haven't collected a single cent from curse yet :) |
| 17:13.16 | nevcairiel | is that a reason? :d |
| 17:13.21 | Xinhuan | yes |
| 17:13.57 | nevcairiel | i dont see the connection |
| 17:14.22 | Xinhuan | i'm merely using $ earned from wow to buy wow stuff, and only a fraction at that |
| 17:15.06 | nevcairiel | I got a new pc with that, thats kinda wow-stuff :d |
| 17:15.25 | Xinhuan | yeah, i'm holding off a new pc for now |
| 17:15.27 | Xinhuan | my pc isn't that old |
| 17:16.03 | nevcairiel | mine broke =( |
| 17:16.18 | Xinhuan | so fisker, what official forums |
| 17:16.26 | Xinhuan | you didn't mean the wowhead one do you |
| 17:16.42 | nevcairiel | although if cataclysm isnt optimized really well, i might get yet a new one q1 2011 to enjoy the full new gfx |
| 17:16.55 | nevcairiel | reflectionmode 3 eats performance alive |
| 17:17.08 | Xinhuan | use reflectionmode 2 =.= |
| 17:17.12 | Xinhuan | looks better |
| 17:17.18 | Fisker | yeah Xinhuan |
| 17:17.20 | nevcairiel | 3 looks better |
| 17:17.26 | nevcairiel | it actually reflects wmo's |
| 17:17.28 | Xinhuan | 3 has parallax errors lol |
| 17:17.31 | nevcairiel | 2 only does skybox and stuff |
| 17:17.48 | Xinhuan | the wmo reflection is off! at least for now |
| 17:17.51 | Fisker | i don't find the wmo's very reflective |
| 17:18.13 | nevcairiel | well i was flying around this big oil-rig in the goblin start zone, and only with 3 it would reflect in the water! |
| 17:18.58 | Xinhuan | did you notice the water edges anti-aliasing? |
| 17:19.11 | nevcairiel | if its anti-aliasing, its good, right? :d |
| 17:19.19 | nevcairiel | i dont remember anymore, though |
| 17:19.20 | Xinhuan | no :p |
| 17:19.33 | nevcairiel | aliasing is bad, so anti-aliasing is good! |
| 17:19.34 | NeoTron | Did I miss the alpha NDA going away? |
| 17:19.47 | nevcairiel | I'm not in the alpha, so what do i carte |
| 17:19.48 | nevcairiel | -t |
| 17:19.49 | Xinhuan | the client can be run in a sandbox :) |
| 17:20.02 | Vangual | such haxing |
| 17:20.14 | nevcairiel | i just wanted to see the gfx effects everyone was talking about |
| 17:20.18 | nevcairiel | god-rays are awesome btw |
| 17:20.18 | NeoTron | did I miss the removal of anti-sandbox/non-blizzard server discussions in here? :P |
| 17:20.53 | nevcairiel | we're just talking about gfx! |
| 17:20.54 | Xinhuan | anyway, magazine yes, which forums were you refering to fisker |
| 17:21.02 | Fisker | the wowhead ones |
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| 17:21.13 | nevcairiel | there is even youtube videos about god-rays, unless blizz had them pulled or something |
| 17:21.23 | Xinhuan | hmm those ppl are editors though |
| 17:21.24 | Fisker | nda is void anyway |
| 17:21.25 | Fisker | hoho |
| 17:22.02 | Thunder_Child | Fisker is void |
| 17:22.13 | Fisker | naw |
| 17:23.06 | nevcairiel | nil and void |
| 17:23.17 | Xinhuan | null |
| 17:23.32 | nevcairiel | this is lua, he is nil! |
| 17:23.48 | Dashkal | Nothing |
| 17:23.49 | Xinhuan | but since null isn't defined, null is nil too |
| 17:24.17 | Xinhuan | do i win a cookie? |
| 17:25.39 | Lopeppeppy | Only if you tell me about it when you eat it. |
| 17:26.08 | Xinhuan | ok its round, its brown, its creamy |
| 17:26.29 | Dashkal | wants a cookie but can't eat them... |
| 17:26.36 | Thunder_Child | loose stool? |
| 17:26.51 | Dashkal | Recent stomach surgery. Puree diet :( |
| 17:27.00 | NightHawkTheSane | wants a coffee, badly. |
| 17:27.23 | Xinhuan | http://www.mcdelivery.com.sg/ |
| 17:27.25 | Thunder_Child | i mean thats what it sounded like Xinhuan was describing |
| 17:27.29 | Xinhuan | delivers coffee 24/7 |
| 17:27.40 | Dashkal | ew.... |
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| 17:27.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i want -good- coffee. |
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| 17:28.38 | Mnc | Anyone have some links on how to utilize the built in addon setting tab next to interface options? |
| 17:28.43 | Xinhuan | http://www.mcdonalds.com.sg/mccafe.html |
| 17:28.46 | Xinhuan | they have good cuppachino |
| 17:28.50 | Xinhuan | and latte |
| 17:29.03 | Lunessa | Hand over the cola, the cookies, and all your cheeseburgers and no one gets hurt. Mess with me, and you'll find out how good you look with a toe-tag. |
| 17:29.05 | Xinhuan | http://www.mcdonalds.com.sg/mccafe_beverages.html |
| 17:29.07 | Xinhuan | does that count? :P |
| 17:29.13 | Thunder_Child | actually i have been hearing from coffee fanatics that mcd is turning out a decent cup |
| 17:29.23 | Xinhuan | i actually think its decent |
| 17:29.31 | Fisker | btw Antiarc |
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| 17:29.38 | Fisker | it's sweet they finally used some of the space in the bottom |
| 17:29.41 | Antiarc | hi Fisker |
| 17:29.43 | Fisker | for phone/browser |
| 17:29.47 | Xinhuan | though starbucks one still edges out a bit, but its half the price |
| 17:30.07 | Fisker | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/05/froyo-2-2-hed-img-rm-eng.jpg |
| 17:32.19 | Fisker | btw Antiarc |
| 17:32.23 | Fisker | i'll datamine for you |
| 17:33.12 | Antiarc | Fisker: http://github.com/cheald/AuctionBoss/ |
| 17:33.14 | Antiarc | If you're interested |
| 17:34.03 | Fisker | I'll have to agree with Adys on ruby |
| 17:34.04 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 17:34.12 | Fisker | also beta isn't even live in EU yet |
| 17:34.20 | Fisker | apparently their webteam didn't read mmo-champion yet |
| 17:34.28 | Adys | onwha? |
| 17:34.57 | Adys | Jerub: pin |
| 17:34.58 | Adys | g |
| 17:35.28 | Antiarc | what's wrong with Ruby |
| 17:35.34 | Adys | its slow |
| 17:35.36 | Adys | nothing else |
| 17:35.59 | Antiarc | 1.8.x is slow-ish, but it's plenty fast for most anything you'd use scripting languages for generally |
| 17:36.03 | Antiarc | 1.9 is blazing fast. |
| 17:36.20 | Antiarc | I spend far more time in that thread sleeping than computing ;) |
| 17:36.38 | Adys | hey you asked whats wrong with it =) |
| 17:37.28 | Antiarc | Fast ruby is basically "avoid rexml" :P |
| 17:37.49 | Antiarc | My scanner is all of 150 lines of code though :P |
| 17:38.07 | zenzelezz | rexml? |
| 17:38.16 | Antiarc | rexml is the native Ruby XML library |
| 17:38.19 | Antiarc | And it's horrifically slow |
| 17:38.28 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 17:39.29 | Adys | any php "developer" around? |
| 17:39.37 | Antiarc | Yo |
| 17:39.37 | zenzelezz | sort of |
| 17:39.45 | Dashkal | murr? |
| 17:39.53 | Adys | sha1(microtime(), true) |
| 17:40.00 | Adys | microtime returns an int, how does it read it? |
| 17:40.11 | Antiarc | Likely casts it to a string |
| 17:40.38 | Dashkal | php happily autoconverts int->string |
| 17:40.49 | Adys | k thanks |
| 17:41.20 | Antiarc | I'm testing it :P |
| 17:41.23 | zenzelezz | before you get any further, make not of this... PHP is very type confused |
| 17:41.40 | zenzelezz | it has types, but usually converts silently, unless you cast stuff manually |
| 17:41.44 | Dashkal | PHP is far too ready to typecast for you. Hate that |
| 17:42.05 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/auctionboss/sha.php - yup, autocasts |
| 17:42.19 | Antiarc | I would cast it manually for code clarity though |
| 17:42.45 | Adys | Im porting to python |
| 17:42.47 | Adys | hence why i ask :) |
| 17:43.14 | zenzelezz | was starting to wonder if you were ill |
| 17:45.01 | Lunessa | *sigh* http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129109836&sid=1 - I |
| 17:45.07 | davis | i'm wondering if it would be possible build a HuD which displays timers on my cooldowns. Say I do spell X and then give me a timer when I can do it again. |
| 17:45.12 | Lunessa | I hate answering this question over and over and over. |
| 17:45.54 | zenzelezz | I remember converting a PHP class that talked to the Anarchy Online chat servers to PHP code. Was utterly confusing when you don't understand encryption; basically did a blind copy job and it somehow worked... after I found out how to use GMP in VC++ |
| 17:46.26 | Lopeppeppy | Adn over and over and over. *hug* |
| 17:46.27 | Antiarc | PHP is just such an awfully awkward language :< |
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| 17:47.00 | Lunessa | davis: What you want is possible, and I believe there are HUDs which have that feature already. |
| 17:47.07 | Dashkal | Why oh why did the framework that's currently providing my living have to use php instead of python? *sighs* |
| 17:47.19 | nevcairiel | which one is that? |
| 17:47.26 | Dashkal | Drupal |
| 17:47.35 | davis | cool |
| 17:47.42 | Dashkal | I like the framework. Not so fond of the language. |
| 17:48.38 | Antiarc | Here's the same code in PHP and Ruby: http://pastie.org/969794 |
| 17:48.40 | Fisker | PHP reminds me of visual basic |
| 17:48.42 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 17:48.54 | zenzelezz | if PHP had had sane function naming schemes from the start, it wouldn't have been so bad |
| 17:49.02 | zenzelezz | still quirky, but not horrible |
| 17:49.03 | Dashkal | ^^^ |
| 17:49.18 | Dashkal | That and I wish it was alittle less free with type munging |
| 17:49.31 | Dashkal | count() will take a scalar and return 1... O.o |
| 17:49.37 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 17:49.55 | nevcairiel | Antiarc: thats kinda cheating, you could inline alot of the stuff you did there, and save lines too :p |
| 17:50.13 | Antiarc | Not really; it's hard to do object construction inline. |
| 17:50.17 | Dashkal | So I'm onstantly using is_array and count together... |
| 17:50.22 | Antiarc | PHP is far more procedural than functional |
| 17:50.34 | Antiarc | Ruby's functional leanings make it far more concise :P |
| 17:50.35 | Dashkal | Because people depend on that and I get code that could be called with scalars or arrays depending on the moon phase |
| 17:50.49 | nevcairiel | you cant do {"bla" => new Foo()}? |
| 17:51.00 | nevcairiel | or array(..) not {} :P |
| 17:51.36 | merijn | Can someone help me with template inheritance? I have the following XML templates (http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136671) and I need to either change the size of the button for the DebuffBtnTmpl or change the Icon size. I've tried changing the size of the button by just adding a size tag to the debuff template, but that seems to resize the icon too. I dunno if I can resize the icon I'm inheriting on the debuff template? |
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| 17:52.29 | Antiarc | nevcairiel: That works, but if you want to call methods on that object, you have to assign it to a variable :P |
| 17:52.47 | Antiarc | whereas I can just say Foo.new("bar").baz.bin("bang") in ruby :P |
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| 17:53.52 | Xinhuan | merijn, you probably need a OnLoad script to resize those |
| 17:54.07 | Xinhuan | each element has its own size |
| 17:54.20 | Antiarc | http://pastie.org/969794 - there, that's a bit more fair :P |
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| 17:55.23 | nevcairiel | i dont like php anyway, requiring the $ for variables is just silly |
| 17:55.25 | Fisker | did they say on the feed when they were expecting for the first devices to roll out on google tv? |
| 17:55.37 | Fisker | it's all about the money dawg |
| 17:55.51 | Kalroth | $nevcairiel->free(); |
| 17:55.58 | Antiarc | Fisker: Fall |
| 17:56.11 | nevcairiel | I'm a java person, i dont work with that syntax, sorry Kalroth |
| 17:56.17 | zenzelezz | ~Kalroth(), |
| 17:56.29 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: oh then we just have to wait for the garbage collector |
| 17:56.34 | mikma | antiarc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAZ9xia4KWA |
| 17:56.53 | Antiarc | Thank you for that! :) |
| 17:58.05 | Xinhuan | /echo Disconnected from $server at $time with nickname $nick |
| 17:58.29 | Xinhuan | php isn't the only language with $ identifiers lol |
| 17:58.36 | nevcairiel | mIRC is no language |
| 17:58.45 | Xinhuan | it actually is one now |
| 17:58.54 | nevcairiel | although in that scenario its kinda useful |
| 17:59.59 | Xinhuan | and in hmmm basic, $ indicates a string variable! |
| 18:00.10 | merijn | Xinhuan: I was afraid of that, I'll just overwrite the size in Lua then |
| 18:00.26 | Fisker | it's not fail when you're trolling Antiarc |
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| 18:00.35 | Fisker | oh |
| 18:00.39 | Fisker | it is fail when i can't read |
| 18:00.57 | Dagmar | Xinhuan: BASIC doesn't have typed variable |
| 18:01.29 | Xinhuan | or was it visual basic |
| 18:01.30 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 18:02.32 | zenzelezz | think it must've been BASIC |
| 18:02.43 | zenzelezz | VB is just "Dim blah As String" |
| 18:02.59 | nevcairiel | most people use variants anyway <.< |
| 18:03.16 | zenzelezz | well, last time I used VB it was still in version 6 |
| 18:03.20 | Xinhuan | "Dim blah As String" can be simplified to "Dim blah$" |
| 18:03.22 | zenzelezz | so what it's like know, I don't know |
| 18:04.39 | Xinhuan | $ is just a shorthand that declares the variable as a string, so you can see blah is clearly a string |
| 18:04.52 | Xinhuan | dont' remember the other symbols for other types |
| 18:04.52 | dotted | nevcairiel ofc MSL is a language :< |
| 18:05.10 | Fisker | i hate visual basic so much |
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| 18:06.59 | dotted | i hate you so much Fisker |
| 18:09.15 | Fisker | hey dotted |
| 18:09.24 | dotted | hey Fisker |
| 18:11.15 | Fisker | where's my damn froyo? |
| 18:14.33 | Fisker | argh |
| 18:14.39 | Fisker | why can't they just release it today? :( |
| 18:15.37 | NightHawkTheSane | grumbles something about writing mvc frameworks from scratch |
| 18:15.39 | Fisker | copyright ftw |
| 18:15.55 | Fisker | hulu won't be on mobiles because they only have rights to the desktop |
| 18:16.14 | NightHawkTheSane | hulu wont be on mobiles because content providers are greedy fucks |
| 18:17.59 | Fisker | [20:15:40] <Fisker> copyright ftw |
| 18:18.08 | Fisker | lol @ arguments btw |
| 18:18.26 | Fisker | Someone tells google to stop being so damn lazy and release the update for his Hero |
| 18:18.33 | Fisker | Then someone mentions that HTC would have to do that |
| 18:18.43 | Fisker | Then he just replies "I think i spot a iPhone zealot" |
| 18:18.46 | Fisker | DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
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| 18:19.18 | Antiarc | It's not HTC that has to, it's the mobile carrier |
| 18:19.18 | zenzelezz | what update, 2.1? Or 2.2? |
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| 18:19.21 | Antiarc | 2.2 |
| 18:19.27 | Antiarc | Updates arrive OTA via the carrier |
| 18:19.37 | Antiarc | 2.2 is going to be delicious |
| 18:19.49 | Arrowmaster | you should be able to update other ways |
| 18:20.00 | Antiarc | JIT (which results in a 2.5x-4.5x speed increase), Flash support, native tethering, phones acting as wireless hotspots |
| 18:20.07 | Antiarc | Sure, you can root your phone and install a 2.2 rom |
| 18:20.21 | Fisker | Antiarc it's still HTC that have to develop the update first? |
| 18:20.30 | Antiarc | The new developer stuff looks amazing |
| 18:20.38 | Antiarc | Fisker: At least for the Sense stuff, yeah |
| 18:20.42 | Arrowmaster | n1's from google come rooted right? |
| 18:20.45 | Fisker | i think that's what he meant |
| 18:21.06 | Fisker | naw Arrowmaster |
| 18:21.11 | Fisker | but you can enable it without any tricks |
| 18:22.01 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if the n1's from the carriers now that google is going to stop selling them directly will still be able to be rooted without any tricks |
| 18:23.12 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/20/classics-now-with-favorite-buttons-74/ |
| 18:24.17 | Fisker | omg |
| 18:24.18 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: If it's not in the agreements they signed with Google, yeah they'll probably *try* to make it so people can't modify anything |
| 18:24.22 | ZorbaBeta | oh man a JIT? that will be awesome |
| 18:24.30 | Fisker | Melee wipes on Deathbringer because he has to stand on top of him |
| 18:24.44 | Fisker | then the shaman bloodlusts right after |
| 18:24.47 | Fisker | can't even reset |
| 18:26.54 | *** part/#wowuidev merijn (~opera@inconsistent.nl) |
| 18:27.20 | zenzelezz | resets Fisker |
| 18:27.49 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: so i should probably get an n1 soon before they shutdown their order page if i want to get one |
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| 18:28.17 | Dagmar | possibly |
| 18:28.33 | Fisker | have you been running 2.2 in the sdk yet Antiarc ? |
| 18:28.43 | Antiarc | Nope, I'm updating Eclipse now |
| 18:28.53 | Fisker | Arrowmaster they're going to sell it in stores instead? |
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| 18:29.01 | Antiarc | yes |
| 18:29.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 18:29.27 | Antiarc | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/05/android-22-and-developers-goodies.html :D |
| 18:29.42 | Dagmar | I'm not so sure Google would *allow* the cell phone companies to revert their phone to the previous state of barbarism and monopoly |
| 18:30.43 | cbreak | so you think google cares? |
| 18:30.46 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 18:30.50 | cbreak | why? |
| 18:31.18 | Dagmar | Because most of their employees are like me, and it pisses me off that I *have* to pay a premium to a cell phone company *just* because my phone is fancy |
| 18:31.59 | Dagmar | ...and these are also people who've likely been burned by Verizon and Sprint's "now you see them, now you don't" bluetooth feature removals |
| 18:32.13 | ZorbaBeta | google cares because google makes money off people using the internet |
| 18:32.19 | Arrowmaster | lets see, its still cheaper to buy the n1 in full and use t-mobile than to get the discounted rate and a 2year contract with t-mobile right? |
| 18:32.27 | ZorbaBeta | cell phones, on the other hand, lose money off people using the internet |
| 18:32.52 | ZorbaBeta | that's why google is applying quite a lot of pressure on cell companies to actually encourage people to use the internet |
| 18:32.55 | Dagmar | That and as a developer who is working on an *open* platform, you don't want to have to code for or even document that on some providers, the bluetooth picture send functionality doesn't work |
| 18:33.07 | Dagmar | ...because the cell phone company disabled that feature so that you'd use SMS picture mail |
| 18:33.17 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 18:33.30 | cbreak | you don't need freedom to use the internet |
| 18:33.39 | cbreak | look at hte iPhone. It has internet. |
| 18:33.40 | Dagmar | You laugh but that's exactly what went on with the Motorola Razrs and it's why Verizon got sued and lost |
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| 18:33.48 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/app/22835/ <-ruh roh |
| 18:33.53 | Arrowmaster | not shocked |
| 18:34.02 | Cide | Mind = blown |
| 18:34.08 | ZorbaBeta | cbreak, and why exactly does it have internet? |
| 18:34.10 | Arrowmaster | now to decide if i want to stick with att or move to t-mobile if i get an n1 |
| 18:34.21 | ZorbaBeta | hint: it has internet because the phone company allows it to |
| 18:34.22 | Dagmar | These devices have wifi. They have packet services. Yet, the telcos are hell bent on making you pay double for your data plan if you dare to use your phone to feed your email to your laptop |
| 18:34.22 | Fisker | lol wtf |
| 18:34.31 | Fisker | we almost took deathbringer with one dying to mark |
| 18:34.34 | ZorbaBeta | and the phone company allows it to because that was a condition of being the exclusive iphone carrier |
| 18:34.35 | cbreak | because it's a communications device, and 90% of the communication these days goes over the net... |
| 18:34.40 | cbreak | (numbers pulled out of thin air) |
| 18:34.42 | Dagmar | ...which is fucking 1983 and AT&T trying to charge people extra to use a modem, all over again |
| 18:34.52 | ZorbaBeta | and it was a condition of being the exclusive iphone carrier because it's a big important thing that the iphone does, and apple wanted to encourage it so people bought iphones |
| 18:34.56 | ZorbaBeta | which is where apple makes money. |
| 18:35.20 | ZorbaBeta | it's not like the iphone's status as a "communication device" magically makes it able to use the internet. |
| 18:35.55 | Dagmar | No it's that it has CDPD functionality, and if that fails, 802.11b/g and an IP stack that makes it able to use the internet. |
| 18:35.57 | Arrowmaster | t-mobile is as against tethering as att is right? |
| 18:36.09 | Dagmar | They're all against it unless they can charge extra money for it |
| 18:36.54 | Dagmar | I really wanna see the FTC and the FCC gang up and take turns cornholing some cell execs |
| 18:37.32 | Dagmar | Their current method of charging people extra for being *allowed* to do what they like with a phone, without the cell phone company having to lift a finger or expend more resources is morally bankrupt |
| 18:37.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: no, they're not fond of tethering. although with android you can do it anyway |
| 18:37.55 | Dagmar | "onoes people will use too much of their unlimited internets!" |
| 18:38.15 | Fisker | lol |
| 18:38.16 | Dagmar | They need to stop bullshitting customers like that, as well |
| 18:38.17 | olafski | ah arrowmaster is here.. |
| 18:38.20 | Fisker | Antiarc |
| 18:38.22 | olafski | arrowmaster: what did you think of too human? :) |
| 18:38.27 | NightHawkTheSane | "ohnoes, people might use something without paying through the fucking nose for it" |
| 18:38.41 | Fisker | one of my friends raids just got 2xHeaven's Fall and they got no muti rogues |
| 18:38.46 | Fisker | is this bad [Y\n]: |
| 18:39.57 | Antiarc | nobody else is gonna use em so I guess so? |
| 18:40.10 | Arrowmaster | olafski: i loved it although others didnt like it as much, play the demo and find out the secret ways of using the other classes in the demo, ive got a max level beserker but i didnt like the gameplay of the champion (the default demo character) |
| 18:40.36 | olafski | arrowmaster: I have it, it's the game I have the most play time in on my 360 |
| 18:40.43 | olafski | was just wondering.. nobody seems to like it |
| 18:40.53 | olafski | I would very much love it if they were to make part 2 and 3 but I doubt they will =( |
| 18:41.02 | Arrowmaster | olafski: got a gold account? |
| 18:41.09 | olafski | nope =( |
| 18:41.20 | zenzelezz | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/websites_stop |
| 18:41.27 | olafski | I had one when I first got TH but not anymore.. have 55+ hours on my commando char alone |
| 18:41.42 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: http://www.theonion.com/video/new-google-phone-service-whispers-targeted-ads-dir,17470/ |
| 18:42.02 | Arrowmaster | olafski: bah i still need 2 of the no death achievements |
| 18:42.12 | olafski | yeah I need one too |
| 18:42.12 | Arrowmaster | olafski: zerkers are squishy |
| 18:42.15 | olafski | guess which one :) |
| 18:42.15 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 18:42.22 | Arrowmaster | olafski: act2? |
| 18:42.25 | olafski | yep |
| 18:42.28 | Shadowed | Adys hrm? |
| 18:42.37 | olafski | commando is squishy too =( |
| 18:42.41 | Arrowmaster | i was so fucking close to getting that one on a brand new cyber defender |
| 18:42.47 | olafski | I got my first red item today |
| 18:43.01 | Dagmar | Red item? |
| 18:43.04 | Arrowmaster | olafski: weak, ive got the full zerker set |
| 18:43.07 | olafski | nice :O |
| 18:43.29 | olafski | I only just found out about that spider farming thin |
| 18:43.30 | olafski | g |
| 18:43.34 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 18:43.34 | olafski | was just doing full run throughs |
| 18:43.59 | olafski | I have more items gathered than you according to the leaderboards but still don't have a single item of the armor set :P |
| 18:44.38 | Arrowmaster | zerkers cant do the spider very well, so i just ran the conveyer belt in a private online game, like 9 bosses |
| 18:44.53 | Arrowmaster | olafski: thats because of auto salvage i think |
| 18:45.20 | olafski | yeah auto salvaged items don't count it seems |
| 18:45.27 | olafski | so I have to turn that off just to get the achievement :/ |
| 18:45.51 | Spejnar | olafski: wut game are you talking about? :O |
| 18:46.37 | Arrowmaster | Spejnar: Too Human |
| 18:46.58 | olafski | does your sound get messed up after a while too btw arrowmaster? |
| 18:47.11 | olafski | too human seems to both mess up in-game sound and also my receiver somehow |
| 18:47.24 | Arrowmaster | olafski: sometimes it gets stuck in loops |
| 18:47.39 | Spejnar | bah, 360.. |
| 18:48.18 | olafski | arrowmaster: my sound stops completely at times.. only gets back when I pull the cable out of the receiver and put it back in again |
| 18:48.23 | olafski | only happens with too human |
| 18:48.37 | Arrowmaster | what kinda sound are you using? 5.1? |
| 18:48.45 | olafski | 2.0 I guess |
| 18:48.49 | olafski | not an ideal setup |
| 18:48.57 | Nechckn | Sounds like the work of the devil himself, olafski. Either that, or Fisker. |
| 18:49.04 | Lopeppeppy | Heeeeeey, Satan! |
| 18:49.10 | Arrowmaster | ive got pure analog sound setup so 2.0 for me too |
| 18:49.11 | olafski | I have my 360 connected to the TV with component(composite? dunno), TV to receiver with optical |
| 18:49.21 | Dagmar | Crap. Why is it that I'm finding out about 'Draw a Mohammed Day' *today* |
| 18:49.40 | Dagmar | Now I have to do a rush job |
| 18:52.01 | olafski | could probably get 5.1 sound on the 360 but I don't really care enough to get that set up properly (I could also use hdmi to connect the 360 to the tv.. same story :P) |
| 18:52.56 | zenzelezz | yeah, setting up HDMI properly is time consuming =D |
| 18:53.46 | olafski | very |
| 18:53.58 | olafski | I've actually tried a couple of times but couldn't get it the way I wanted so I went back to this ;) |
| 18:54.22 | Arrowmaster | i use my consoles on my computer monitor and computer speakers, my speakers dont have an optical/digital connection and my soundcard doesnt have an optical/digital input so i cant do that and route the sound back out to the speakers |
| 18:54.23 | olafski | my cheap tv also only has 2 HDMI inputs and I have 3 devices hooked up to it atm |
| 18:55.19 | zenzelezz | I just bought an HDMI switcher thing to solve that |
| 18:55.28 | Dagmar | I use decent 1/8" stereo cables |
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| 18:56.00 | olafski | I really don't care enough about picture or sound quality to care about this.. don't remember what the problem was when I last tried anyway =( |
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| 18:56.09 | Arrowmaster | i thought about getting some form of optical/digital input for my computer but then since it would be from different sound cards there would probably be some delay trying to route it back out my speakers |
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| 18:56.26 | Dagmar | There would be a delay yeah |
| 18:57.27 | Arrowmaster | although i could probably setup one of the linux sound subsystems designed for low latency like JACK |
| 18:57.36 | Fisker | what do you mean zenzelezz ? |
| 18:57.47 | Fisker | take cable, put into one end, put into the other end = done? |
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| 18:58.35 | zenzelezz | my TV has two HDMI ports, I have three HDMI devices. Bought an small switcher box with four HDMI ports, connected that to the TV and the devices to the switcher |
| 18:58.41 | Fisker | oh |
| 18:58.43 | Fisker | mine has 4 :P |
| 18:58.57 | Fisker | only thing that annoys me is that it seems to crash when scrolling past my PC |
| 18:59.04 | olafski | when I move I will only have 2 hdmi devices.. maybe I'll consider hooking up the xbox to hdmi again then |
| 18:59.17 | Fisker | the menu stalls for half a minute or so and then i have to go into it again and avoid my hdmi with the PC on it :P |
| 18:59.18 | nevcairiel | I just have a AV-Receiver, it has like 6 hdmi in |
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| 19:01.58 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if i can find something relatively cheap that has multiple digital audio inputs and a set of analog 5.1 outputs |
| 19:03.01 | nevcairiel | just get a cheap receiver |
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| 19:04.57 | Fisker | imma google tv when it comes out |
| 19:05.09 | Fisker | google is like the new apple |
| 19:05.25 | Fisker | Except google makes nice things |
| 19:06.13 | alestane | http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/05/20/ |
| 19:14.02 | cbreak | not really |
| 19:14.09 | cbreak | google wants to control the net |
| 19:14.20 | cbreak | apple wants to control the stuff they sell |
| 19:14.30 | cbreak | so a much smaller scope |
| 19:15.53 | Dagmar | No, Google doesn't want to control the net |
| 19:16.00 | Dagmar | They just want it to work properly |
| 19:16.26 | cbreak | they are a daten kraken |
| 19:16.38 | cbreak | data hungry |
| 19:16.59 | Dagmar | Yes, it's how they make money. They process data. |
| 19:17.36 | cbreak | I like privacy. So I am sceptic when google's motivations are discussed. |
| 19:17.38 | Dagmar | Microsoft, on the other hand, *does* actually want to control everything. |
| 19:17.51 | nevcairiel | On the apple note, did they cave in to the WebM/VP8 thing yet? |
| 19:17.59 | cbreak | cave in? |
| 19:18.05 | cbreak | I haven't heard any statement yet |
| 19:18.14 | nevcairiel | everyone, even MS, wants to support WebM/VP8 |
| 19:18.17 | nevcairiel | except apple |
| 19:18.26 | cbreak | they said they don't want to support it? |
| 19:19.11 | zenzelezz | I found that x264 developer's analysis of VP8 interesting. Sadly I have no idea if he was right, since I don't understand half of what goes into encoding and decoding video |
| 19:19.12 | cbreak | either way, if you write a QuickTime plugin, safari should play it. |
| 19:19.25 | cbreak | link please! |
| 19:19.28 | Dagmar | I found a patent they hold the other day filed for in 1995 which outlines a mechanism for access control on network objects, which is basically the same sytsem used by Novell Netware 4 in 1994, and C-Net BBS in 1989-1990. |
| 19:19.37 | nevcairiel | the analysis was flawed |
| 19:19.38 | Dagmar | That takes BALLS to file for a patent like that |
| 19:19.51 | Dagmar | ...and they're currently using it and eight others against someone. |
| 19:20.02 | cbreak | software patents are evil anyway. |
| 19:20.07 | cbreak | no matter what they are about |
| 19:20.08 | nevcairiel | it compares a very sufisticated open-source encoder with a just-released encoder that has very much potential |
| 19:20.23 | Dagmar | Apple is still convinced they can make everyone use Quicktime |
| 19:20.29 | zenzelezz | cbreak: http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377 |
| 19:20.36 | Dagmar | ...especially since they've paid their fees on h.264 |
| 19:20.38 | Thunder_Child | at least they gave up on crappletalk |
| 19:20.48 | Dagmar | MS doesn't want VP8 because they didn't invent it |
| 19:20.54 | Dagmar | ...so they can't get royalties |
| 19:20.56 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: the analysis did say that Google said that "nuh uh, we won't fix things... this is it" |
| 19:21.11 | nevcairiel | Dagmar: yet again, MS will support it |
| 19:21.13 | alestane | http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/20/would-be-muggers-in-australia-thwarted-by-ninjas/ |
| 19:21.26 | nevcairiel | they wont ship it, but if you have the directshow filters installed, IE9 will work with it |
| 19:21.34 | Nechckn | corporations do not care... they will use any trick in the book to get you to think they are the "good ones". Then, when they have the real upper hand, they remove the ducats from your pockets. |
| 19:21.37 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Only until such time as they've bought something to compete with it |
| 19:22.16 | nevcairiel | there is no reason to do that, with IE8 and 9 they are finally doing some good things for the browser |
| 19:22.45 | kd3 | cog|work, pong |
| 19:23.00 | Lunessa | This more or less just in: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25002150557&sid=1 |
| 19:23.16 | nevcairiel | old, but good news :d |
| 19:23.27 | Dagmar | Oo |
| 19:23.28 | cbreak | zenzelezz: interesting, thanks |
| 19:24.26 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Lunessa. I'd been waiting to hear something like that. |
| 19:24.27 | Nechckn | alestane That is awesome. |
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| 19:25.08 | Fisker | hehe i said penis |
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| 19:25.22 | Lopeppeppy | This is not news, Fisker-dear. |
| 19:25.42 | krka | not very surprising Lunessa, thanks for the link! |
| 19:25.59 | Dagmar | I suppose seeing "Metzen Smellz" written in the bank in six foot letters didn't help much |
| 19:26.08 | cbreak | sounds like this VP8 is unusable at the moment |
| 19:26.20 | nevcairiel | youtube uses it already, works too |
| 19:26.31 | nevcairiel | at least in the firefox test build |
| 19:26.35 | nevcairiel | chrome didnt get a push yet |
| 19:26.42 | cbreak | wonder how they wrote a decoder without having a readable spec. |
| 19:26.44 | alestane | Note: Do not mug people behind ninja school. |
| 19:27.02 | Dagmar | They've got a readable spec |
| 19:29.04 | cbreak | "Some parts even explicitly refuse to fully explain a particular feature, pointing to highly-optimized, nigh-impossible-to-understand reference code for an explanation." If he doesn't get it... |
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| 19:32.39 | Fisker | we're standing still in ICC |
| 19:32.46 | cbreak | Lag? |
| 19:32.49 | cbreak | or lack of people? |
| 19:32.56 | Thunder_Child | stupdity? |
| 19:33.04 | Lopeppeppy | Wednesday! |
| 19:33.10 | cbreak | (in my guild, the first was replaced by the second :( ) |
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| 19:33.28 | Fisker | lag cbreak |
| 19:33.40 | alestane | Ah, so it's going to be one of THOSE days. |
| 19:34.53 | cog|work | la la la la doot de do |
| 19:35.08 | Fisker | have one of those days on like 5 raids now :( |
| 19:35.11 | Fisker | had/ |
| 19:35.14 | Fisker | * |
| 19:35.49 | cbreak | somehow, on my server, many guilds are struggling to get people for ICC |
| 19:35.56 | cbreak | so lag wasn't much of a problem |
| 19:38.39 | Fisker | man our shadowmourne guy is pissed :P |
| 19:38.47 | Fisker | (he had 49 shards) |
| 19:38.51 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i thought MS was only going to support h264 in IE9, using the mediafoundation decoder but blocking any other mediafoundation or directshow decoders from working with IE9 |
| 19:39.10 | Fisker | that sounds mad stupid |
| 19:39.16 | kd3 | arrow; they changed their stance after google's announcement yesterday. they'll do it if the codec's installed, but they're not going to force the issue |
| 19:39.23 | Fisker | also i hate Microsoft for being fucked up in the face |
| 19:39.39 | Fisker | Since i can't view mkv's properly through MCE or WMP Libraries |
| 19:39.43 | Arrowmaster | kd3: good because that was stupid |
| 19:40.09 | Arrowmaster | so what audio codec is used with html5 video? |
| 19:40.29 | nevcairiel | vorbis |
| 19:40.56 | Dagmar | You're gettin ahead of yourself there I think. Hehe. Companies are still arguing over whose "we promise not to demand licencing fees, yet" container format to use |
| 19:40.59 | nevcairiel | or aac with h264, i think |
| 19:41.01 | Arrowmaster | is that agreed upon by all the major vendors? |
| 19:41.12 | Dagmar | It'a agreed upon by almost no one |
| 19:41.15 | nevcairiel | WebM was defined as being VP8 + Vorbis |
| 19:41.30 | nevcairiel | and everyone, short of apple, signed up for WebM |
| 19:41.34 | Dagmar | The major players are all pimping a standard they have a vested (and generally financial) interest in |
| 19:41.52 | Dagmar | WebM is like the first one that someone's supported that wans't their own |
| 19:41.55 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ || 3.3.x ToC: 30300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! || 3.3.5 PTR Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/bY6mEm || BlizzCon Tickets on Sale June 2 & 5 http://cot.ag/9ceCch || AVR broken in 3.3.5 http://cot.ag/aYo2YE |
| 19:42.07 | kd3 | woo hoo! |
| 19:42.14 | Fisker | !care() Cairenn |
| 19:42.24 | Fisker | doesn't solve the issue + it's silly |
| 19:43.09 | Fisker | why do you call him bashlock? |
| 19:43.28 | Cairenn | oh crap, I misspelled his nam |
| 19:43.58 | Fisker | can't wait to see them being fucked when hudmap is released |
| 19:44.00 | Cairenn | fixed :p |
| 19:44.06 | Fisker | and/or range addons are updated to be better |
| 19:44.23 | nevcairiel | haha, funny how the first page in the thread at least is without QQ |
| 19:44.44 | nevcairiel | didnt care to continue reading |
| 19:45.03 | Arrowmaster | wait VP8 doesnt have B-frames? how the hell do they expect this to compete with H.264 then? |
| 19:45.52 | Fisker | A-Frames |
| 19:45.52 | nevcairiel | its for f'ing web videos |
| 19:45.52 | nevcairiel | h.264 baseline, not extended, or anything |
| 19:45.52 | cbreak | A? |
| 19:45.52 | Arrowmaster | fisker is making shit up |
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| 19:45.52 | cbreak | The b in b-frames is for bidirectional |
| 19:45.52 | Fisker | i know |
| 19:45.52 | Fisker | i'm trolling |
| 19:45.52 | Fisker | :3 |
| 19:45.53 | cbreak | there are p and i frames too. |
| 19:45.56 | cbreak | (in h.264) |
| 19:46.04 | cbreak | for predictive and intra frames |
| 19:46.26 | cbreak | p frames only refer to previous frames and predict the next from them |
| 19:46.34 | cbreak | i frames are intra-coded, so they are self contained |
| 19:46.47 | cbreak | b frames are bidirectional, they refer to both previous and future frames |
| 19:47.08 | nevcairiel | i frames are also what people refer to as "key frames" |
| 19:47.21 | Arrowmaster | b-frames are why h.264 in avi is FUCKING RETARDED |
| 19:47.50 | nevcairiel | anyway, VP8 is a format for web videos, matching h.264 baseline, not main or anything higher for that matter |
| 19:47.55 | Arrowmaster | since you cant use b-frames in avi |
| 19:48.35 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: but youtube has 1080p, i doubt they use baseline h.264 for that |
| 19:49.07 | nevcairiel | I would guess they will |
| 19:49.17 | nevcairiel | very few people can stream a proper 1080p stream |
| 19:49.41 | Arrowmaster | hell most cant 'stream' a 480p stream |
| 19:49.57 | nevcairiel | i usually cant stream anything from youtube |
| 19:50.00 | nevcairiel | it always buffers |
| 19:50.08 | nevcairiel | but its on their f'ing end |
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| 19:53.24 | Fisker | wonder if i'll be banned by Blizzard for saying "You lose, goodday sir" :P |
| 19:53.34 | Lopeppeppy | Probably |
| 19:54.04 | nevcairiel | I would ban you for existing |
| 19:55.32 | Fisker | true |
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| 19:57.15 | Matsy | hai my friends. |
| 19:58.31 | Cairenn | hi Matsy |
| 19:58.35 | Matsy | :D |
| 19:58.55 | Matsy | How are you doing on this fine day, Cairenn? |
| 19:59.04 | Cairenn | Pretty good, yourself? |
| 19:59.25 | Matsy | Can't say I am too bad either! Coughing a bit, but nothing that can't be fixed with a good night sleep in an hour or so |
| 19:59.35 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:59.57 | Matsy | Are you also a developer? |
| 20:00.06 | Cairenn | No |
| 20:00.10 | Cairenn | Not for WoW |
| 20:00.29 | Matsy | Oh, I wasn't targetting WoW actually, since I don't know anything about Lua, or the WoW scripting |
| 20:00.39 | Cairenn | ~pil |
| 20:00.40 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 20:00.45 | Cairenn | ~wowprogramming |
| 20:00.46 | purl | well, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 20:00.46 | Matsy | oh |
| 20:00.48 | Matsy | I should have added. |
| 20:00.54 | Matsy | And I really have no interest in learning it either |
| 20:00.54 | Adys | nevcairiel |
| 20:00.59 | Cairenn | heh, okay |
| 20:01.01 | Adys | you messed with httplib? |
| 20:01.03 | Adys | or Cide |
| 20:01.03 | nevcairiel | Adys |
| 20:01.03 | Matsy | ;p |
| 20:01.06 | nevcairiel | talk fast, i need sleep |
| 20:01.08 | Matsy | I'm content enough with my .NET |
| 20:01.09 | Cairenn | I'll stop linking references then |
| 20:01.11 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:01.12 | Adys | i just talked |
| 20:01.16 | Cide | Adys: what about it? |
| 20:01.23 | nevcairiel | i used it once or twice |
| 20:01.24 | Matsy | When WoW adds support for F#, I'll look into it again |
| 20:01.28 | Adys | im querying blizzard servers and getting an empty response |
| 20:01.30 | Matsy | but I don't see that coming any time soon ;p |
| 20:01.38 | Adys | sec |
| 20:01.39 | Cairenn | yeah, not so much, hey? |
| 20:01.44 | Matsy | Yeah :( |
| 20:01.56 | nevcairiel | but Lua is so much cooler then F#! |
| 20:02.00 | Matsy | Nooo! |
| 20:02.06 | Cide | Adys: customize the user agent |
| 20:02.12 | Cide | to imitate a real client |
| 20:02.13 | Nechckn | Adys maybe the cockblocked you. =) |
| 20:02.21 | nevcairiel | Oh yeah, wow servers are pretty picky about that |
| 20:02.23 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/197181/ |
| 20:02.23 | Matsy | F# is like mathematics on steroids! You're so close to numbers and algorithms, ah! It just feels so great. |
| 20:02.32 | Lopeppeppy | Also contagious. |
| 20:02.35 | Cide | <Cide> Adys: customize the user agent |
| 20:02.35 | Cide | <Cide> to imitate a real client |
| 20:02.38 | Adys | i dont think the user agent has something to do with it |
| 20:02.41 | Cide | it does |
| 20:02.43 | Dagmar | They've run out of items to dupe |
| 20:02.49 | Adys | the php script im porting doesnt have an user agent |
| 20:02.53 | Adys | this page is made to be queried |
| 20:02.57 | Cide | try it? |
| 20:03.00 | Cide | it takes you 5 sec |
| 20:03.22 | Adys | lets see |
| 20:03.34 | Matsy | aaaah |
| 20:03.39 | Matsy | such nice music! |
| 20:03.39 | Adys | hey hold on |
| 20:03.40 | nevcairiel | what i do is response = unicode(conn.getresponse().read(), 'utf8') |
| 20:03.50 | Adys | nevcairiel: response is binary |
| 20:03.52 | Matsy | Does anyone here know the theme song of Forrest Gump? |
| 20:03.55 | Arrowmaster | Matsy: i can say with 100% certainty that F# will NEVER be supported by ANY Blizzard game EVER |
| 20:03.55 | Antiarc | If you're querying the armory, be sure you send a modern UA or you get HTML back |
| 20:04.03 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-51-80.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 20:04.04 | Matsy | Arrowmaster, I know that as well. |
| 20:04.07 | Adys | Cide: i think im lacking a bunch of http headers |
| 20:04.16 | Matsy | F# will never be officially supported by ANY game. |
| 20:04.16 | Cide | User-Agent being one of them |
| 20:04.19 | cbreak | most HTTP headers are optional |
| 20:04.21 | nevcairiel | shouldnt httplib add those? |
| 20:04.21 | Cide | but it's the only one you need |
| 20:04.25 | nevcairiel | you really dont need any |
| 20:04.30 | Arrowmaster | Matsy: next time pick a language thats not limited to windows |
| 20:04.30 | Matsy | Which is pretty much stupid. Since the runtime is already there for 99% of the machines :( |
| 20:04.34 | Cide | except user-agent in this case |
| 20:04.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: hardly 99% |
| 20:04.43 | nevcairiel | but anyway, what you do should work, in theory |
| 20:04.57 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane, I'm talking about the Windows Machines, and the 1% that lack .NET |
| 20:04.59 | Dagmar | Mess with them. Send a user-agent for a "Sybian" phone |
| 20:05.00 | nevcairiel | unless POST is so much different to the GET querys i use |
| 20:05.11 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: except gaming is not limited to windows machines |
| 20:05.16 | Matsy | It pretty much is |
| 20:05.18 | Adys | you see anything httplib doesnt add? |
| 20:05.29 | NightHawkTheSane | erm? no? it's kind of idiotic to assume that ONLY windows machines should run games |
| 20:05.30 | Cide | User-Agent |
| 20:05.31 | cbreak | gaming is mostly on consoles |
| 20:05.32 | nevcairiel | its all the important stuff |
| 20:05.41 | Arrowmaster | Matsy: miss the announcement about Steam for Linux? |
| 20:05.43 | Adys | Cide: there is no user agent |
| 20:05.46 | Cide | ... |
| 20:05.47 | Cide | fake one |
| 20:05.49 | cbreak | there are games that run on general purpose computers such as Macs |
| 20:05.49 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane, then why are even Linux / OSX users switching to Windows for their games |
| 20:05.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: or, you know, thirty years of consoles |
| 20:05.54 | Adys | Cide: there is no user agent |
| 20:05.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: they're NOT |
| 20:05.59 | Cide | what? |
| 20:06.00 | Matsy | They are. |
| 20:06.03 | cbreak | Matsy: I am not :) |
| 20:06.03 | NightHawkTheSane | news flash, developers are going cross platform |
| 20:06.05 | Matsy | Have you ever tried running WoW in Wine? ;p |
| 20:06.06 | Arrowmaster | Matsy: are not |
| 20:06.09 | nevcairiel | just fake one to make him happy =P |
| 20:06.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: you're about 20 years behind the times. |
| 20:06.13 | Adys | The page Im querying does NOT expect an user agent |
| 20:06.14 | Cide | Adys: send the header "User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/6.0.401.1 Safari/533.9" |
| 20:06.17 | Adys | sigh fine |
| 20:06.18 | Cide | if you say so? |
| 20:06.22 | Arrowmaster | WoW runs fine in Wine, better than on Windows even |
| 20:06.23 | Adys | ITS NOT EXPECTING an user agent |
| 20:06.23 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane, I'm not even 20 years old. |
| 20:06.25 | cbreak | I play every game I play on a computer in Mac OS X |
| 20:06.31 | Matsy | Arrowmaster, better than on Windows? Oh really? |
| 20:06.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: which makes you just dumb ;) |
| 20:06.33 | Adys | its made to be queried by a java app |
| 20:06.34 | Adys | ... |
| 20:06.34 | Cide | maybe it will work with one? |
| 20:06.40 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane. Right'o ;) |
| 20:06.48 | Arrowmaster | Matsy: yes, you just have to make sure its using OpenGL |
| 20:06.52 | Cide | I thought you said you were querying blizzard |
| 20:06.56 | nevcairiel | you're trying to break into the remote armory? |
| 20:07.11 | Dagmar | The "trying to" part was over yesterday |
| 20:07.24 | NightHawkTheSane | video gaming is older than windows itself, and modern game developers are increasingly exploring cross-platform developments, including (but not limited to) consoles, which don't typically run the desktop windows os. |
| 20:07.24 | Adys | Cide: okay, same thing |
| 20:07.24 | nevcairiel | he didnt succeed yet, obviously |
| 20:07.30 | Cide | sure |
| 20:07.32 | Cide | you didn't try it |
| 20:07.38 | Adys | I just did |
| 20:07.38 | Adys | ... |
| 20:07.42 | Adys | conn.putheader("User-Agent", "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/6.0.401.1 Safari/533.9") |
| 20:07.43 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane. You really don't want to agree with me that most computer video-gaming is done on a Windows machine? |
| 20:07.52 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane: Besides the obvious fact that there are more Windows machines? |
| 20:08.00 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Probably has something to do with the type of games one gets when one drinks the DirectX kool-aid |
| 20:08.03 | Adys | nevcairiel: Im querying an authentication token |
| 20:08.04 | Cide | Adys: no idea then! |
| 20:08.15 | cbreak | most windows machines are in offices of some company |
| 20:08.17 | nevcairiel | did you make sure that enroll_host is actually filled in? =p |
| 20:08.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: I'm disputing your fact that the .NEt framework exists on 99% of gaming machines, which is PROVABLY false |
| 20:08.19 | Matsy | Dagmar: Then again, DirectX is actually a better product than OpenGL |
| 20:08.24 | Dagmar | Matsy: LOL |
| 20:08.25 | Adys | well yeah |
| 20:08.27 | nevcairiel | and _uri for that matter |
| 20:08.27 | cbreak | not a place where you can play games without getting into trouble |
| 20:08.49 | Arrowmaster | Matsy: you cant compare DirectX to OpenGL, you compare Direct3D to OpenGL |
| 20:08.49 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane, I was talking about the Windows machines that played games. I also added that to my statement around 5 lines after the original one. |
| 20:08.51 | NightHawkTheSane | the actual breakdown of machines used for video gaming is fairly diverse |
| 20:09.04 | Matsy | Arrowmaster: Direct3D is a part of DirectX, so it's safe to assume that I was talking about that |
| 20:09.15 | Adys | okay |
| 20:09.19 | Adys | here was the problem |
| 20:09.23 | cbreak | OpenGL is superior to anything microsoft pulled out of it's hat so far |
| 20:09.25 | Adys | im closing the connection before i read it |
| 20:09.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: except by limiting yourself to "windows machiens that play game" you're already limiting yourself to not even a majority of machiens currently used for gaming |
| 20:09.32 | nevcairiel | i was about to suggest that |
| 20:09.34 | nevcairiel | damn yoU! |
| 20:09.56 | Arrowmaster | and unless you are comparing it to an old ass version of OpenGL like what OSX or the PS3 use its not even a proper comparison |
| 20:10.00 | nevcairiel | anyway, bed now, nite |
| 20:10.02 | Cide | I bet you still need the user agent |
| 20:10.02 | Cide | ! |
| 20:10.10 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane, the statement was irrelevant with Linux machines anyway. Since they do not have .NET to start with. And I will still stick to my point that the majority of the userbase of videogames is based on Windows PCs. |
| 20:10.11 | Adys | i dont |
| 20:10.27 | NightHawkTheSane | so sure, if you only ever want to write your game for a tiny percentage of gaming machines, I guess F# is great. *shrug* |
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| 20:10.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: that statement is false. |
| 20:10.43 | nevcairiel | Also, linux has .net |
| 20:10.46 | nevcairiel | vanishes |
| 20:10.52 | Dagmar | Yes it does |
| 20:10.54 | NightHawkTheSane | consoles alone probably outnumber windows machines. |
| 20:10.55 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane, funny how you can target both a WP7 phone, an XBox 360 and a Windows machine with the same code. |
| 20:10.56 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: you better run |
| 20:11.04 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane, can you really not read the PC part? |
| 20:11.05 | Dagmar | Despite Microsoft's best efforts to make .NET a moving target |
| 20:11.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: the pc part is irrelevent. |
| 20:11.16 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane: A console isn't a PC, that's clear right? |
| 20:11.24 | NightHawkTheSane | it IS a pc. |
| 20:11.29 | Matsy | No, it is not. |
| 20:11.33 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, it is. |
| 20:11.35 | Matsy | That's just silly. |
| 20:11.36 | nevcairiel | neither is a phone, then, and you listed that yourself right there |
| 20:11.38 | cbreak | it's a computer. |
| 20:11.38 | olafski | lol |
| 20:11.39 | Dagmar | The idea of something meant as a game that can run on both a 360 and a phoone is laughable |
| 20:11.41 | cbreak | it's personal. |
| 20:11.44 | Arrowmaster | i can run linux on my ps3, i think it counts as a PC |
| 20:11.45 | nevcairiel | vanishes again |
| 20:11.46 | Dagmar | Large, gusting, belly-laughable |
| 20:11.58 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: don't update it! |
| 20:12.02 | Matsy | Dagmar: Laughable maybe, but it actually works (Just look at all the new Xbox 360 games) |
| 20:12.04 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: i havent! |
| 20:12.05 | olafski | give it up matsy.. you can't argue with windows haters :) |
| 20:12.12 | Dagmar | Matsy: It does not work on phones |
| 20:12.13 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: i dont hate windows :) |
| 20:12.14 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: its been unplugged since april 1st |
| 20:12.17 | Matsy | Oh, I will always continue to argue with the Windows haters. |
| 20:12.28 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: I think it's a joke that that's required... |
| 20:12.36 | nevcairiel | We're not windows haters in general, we just hate on people with flawed arguments |
| 20:12.38 | Dagmar | Of course on any PC, you already generally *have* OpenGL support excepting a few completely underpowered Intel chipsets |
| 20:12.39 | nevcairiel | leaves for good |
| 20:12.43 | Adys | olafski: the issue isn't about opinions, it's about being wrong |
| 20:12.43 | olafski | matsy: I generally just write them off as "not worth my time" |
| 20:12.45 | NightHawkTheSane | what nevcairiel said ;) |
| 20:12.48 | Matsy | nevcairiel: Flawed arguyments because of your biasedness :) |
| 20:13.02 | Matsy | And it's an obvious biase. |
| 20:13.03 | Adys | for example saying an xbox isn't a pc |
| 20:13.24 | Adys | a bit like saying a bike isn't a vehicle, if you will |
| 20:13.28 | Arrowmaster | original xbox or xbox 360? |
| 20:13.33 | NightHawkTheSane | both? |
| 20:13.34 | Matsy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Computer |
| 20:13.38 | Matsy | gogogo |
| 20:13.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, everything since the xbox has been clearly a pc. |
| 20:13.48 | Arrowmaster | the original is a PC |
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| 20:13.50 | NightHawkTheSane | the original ps is probably debatable |
| 20:14.05 | Adys | Matsy: did you read this? |
| 20:14.09 | Matsy | I have, did you? |
| 20:14.21 | Arrowmaster | original xbox used the same damn graphics chip as a pc |
| 20:14.24 | nevcairiel | You can attach a screen, keyboard and mouse to a ps3, run linux on it .. and now, how is it different to a PC? |
| 20:14.24 | Adys | just the first line contradicts what you say |
| 20:14.27 | Dagmar | Trollsign numbers one and two |
| 20:14.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: the original xbox was basically a modded pc in a fancy box ;) |
| 20:14.35 | Matsy | How does it do that? |
| 20:14.40 | Dagmar | Sign number three |
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| 20:15.04 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: yeah ive got two of them, too bad they are too underpowered to do much with now |
| 20:15.10 | Matsy | It might support your statement, but that doesn't mean it contradicts mine. |
| 20:15.10 | cbreak | Next he claims that a Mac Pro is not a PC... |
| 20:15.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: folding@home? :P |
| 20:15.19 | Matsy | Oh, that is a PC. |
| 20:15.46 | Matsy | You can't find the word 'console' anywhere in that page. |
| 20:15.48 | NightHawkTheSane | anyway, I need to get back to writing an mvc. |
| 20:15.52 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: its only a 700mhz processor, i dont think it would do that very well either |
| 20:15.52 | NightHawkTheSane | grumbles incoherently |
| 20:16.00 | olafski | I might have missed the first few pages of this argument.. but are we arguing whether "PC gaming" includes consoles? :< |
| 20:16.04 | Matsy | Yeah, please go back to your flawed arguments. |
| 20:16.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: 'console' is a semantic argument. |
| 20:16.09 | Matsy | This is amusing. |
| 20:16.13 | Dagmar | olafski: No we're pretending someone isn't actually trolling |
| 20:16.17 | NightHawkTheSane | you can actually turn any desktop pc into a console |
| 20:16.33 | NightHawkTheSane | it doesn't STOP being a pc. |
| 20:16.46 | Matsy | Note, you can say whatever you want, it will really not make any difference. |
| 20:16.53 | Dagmar | Trollsign number four |
| 20:16.53 | olafski | dagmar: I bet the one you consider trolling is not the one I consider to be doing it :) |
| 20:17.17 | nevcairiel | Thats an obvious troll-sign |
| 20:17.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: obviously, you're dumb enough to be stuck in your incorrect beliefs |
| 20:17.28 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane: I'd say that the same applies for you :) |
| 20:17.32 | Adys | Matsy: You being wrong or not doesn't make any difference either, the one difference is you're just looking like a douche in front of a hundred and fifty people |
| 20:17.33 | nevcairiel | admiting that nothing will change your mind, usually, stops all the discussion for me |
| 20:17.51 | Adys | I'd suggest leaving the channel, shutting the hell up or waiting for a kick tbh. |
| 20:17.53 | Matsy | Adys: Maybe the bright people in here will think differently ;) |
| 20:18.10 | nevcairiel | Join fiskers club, its always accepting "bright" people |
| 20:18.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: tbh, if i had the power i'd have kicked him after the first sentance, but i'm an assole ;) |
| 20:18.19 | Seerah | I've been watching |
| 20:18.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: all the bright people in here have already disagreed with you ;) |
| 20:18.29 | Matsy | NightHawkTheSane: That might be the exact reason why you don't have the power. |
| 20:18.39 | Fisker | herro? |
| 20:18.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Matsy: i wouldn't accept the power if it was offered, for that exact reason, so yes :) |
| 20:18.44 | Adys | Seerah: please +o NHTS |
| 20:18.49 | Seerah | hehe |
| 20:18.52 | NightHawkTheSane | no, Seerah, please dont :) |
| 20:19.05 | olafski | if seerah has been watching and hasn't kicked anyone yet apparently nobody deserved a kick |
| 20:19.16 | Adys | that, OR, he's enjoying it |
| 20:19.18 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, deserve is relative. |
| 20:19.20 | Adys | Seerah: gimme back that popcorn |
| 20:19.24 | cbreak | there's a quote from Gandalf that's appropriate here |
| 20:19.25 | nevcairiel | now adys gets a kick |
| 20:19.26 | Seerah | Matsy: tone down the stubbornness. Everyone else: just leave him be if he doesn't want to debate. |
| 20:19.35 | Matsy | Oh, I do want to debate. |
| 20:19.43 | Dagmar | s/debate/troll/; |
| 20:19.43 | Adys | Yeah see |
| 20:19.53 | nevcairiel | If you say nothing will ever change your mind, there is no reason to |
| 20:19.57 | cbreak | (And there's a german adjective that's probably applies to Matsy: "Lernresistent") |
| 20:19.58 | nevcairiel | </discussion> |
| 20:20.07 | Matsy | I wouldn't have started it if that wasn't the case. They're just trying to prove me wrong with silly arguments. |
| 20:20.23 | Seerah | how do you know that they are wrong? |
| 20:20.25 | Matsy | nevcairiel: I am not buying NHTS' points anymore. |
| 20:20.31 | Dagmar | "<Matsy> Note, you can say whatever you want, it will really not make any difference." <-- does not actually seem to represent a desire to debate, unless one is using a highly unconventional defintion of "debate". |
| 20:20.43 | cbreak | just because you don't get the arguments that doesn't mean they are wrong... |
| 20:20.44 | Matsy | Dagmar: It was merely pointed to NHTS. |
| 20:20.50 | Adys | Seerah: do something please, this is starting to get on everyone's nerves |
| 20:20.59 | Dagmar | Matsy: If it's green and lives under a bridge it's probably a troll. |
| 20:21.00 | Matsy | Seerah: Because I came with valid points, and they didn't ever prove them wrong. |
| 20:21.12 | Matsy | Dagmar: How often are you going to use the overused word? |
| 20:21.14 | Dagmar | Whether or not it has a jaunty hat makes little difference. |
| 20:22.22 | Matsy | All that has been said in the last five minutes is: 'Troll','You're wrong','You don't want to have a debate','Gah, you're dumb'. But they didn't add any points to the discussion. I would really see that as a fail debate. |
| 20:22.29 | Seerah | I said.... Matsy: stop it with the stubbornness. Everyone else (read: Dagmar, NHTS, etc.): just leave him be if he is not open to others' information |
| 20:22.31 | Dagmar | Matsy: I've been on the internet longer than you have been alive. Do you really think your amateurish attempts will be anything other than transparent to me? |
| 20:22.52 | olafski | lol |
| 20:23.01 | Seerah | If I have to spell that out clearer, then there will be kicks going out :) |
| 20:23.19 | olafski | oh well I was going to leave soon anyway :P |
| 20:23.22 | Matsy | This is more amusing than the discussions on the #vim channel ;) |
| 20:23.26 | Matsy | But yeah, I'll stop. |
| 20:23.48 | Seerah | and I should kick ya, Adys, for calling me a "he" :p |
| 20:24.24 | Adys | Seerah: I'm sorry darling, ill make it up to you and keep calling Kalroth a she |
| 20:24.28 | nevcairiel | I figured it would come instantly Seerah |
| 20:24.35 | Kalroth | giggles. |
| 20:24.49 | Seerah | nevcairiel: I caught your suggestion ;) |
| 20:24.55 | Seerah | huggles Kalroth |
| 20:25.06 | Kalroth | bounces of joy. |
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| 20:28.10 | Lopeppeppy | gangs up with Seerah. Grrl power. |
| 20:28.41 | alestane | tosses Cairenn in there for good measure. |
| 20:28.52 | Cairenn | cheers |
| 20:28.54 | alestane | "Hey, you; catch!" |
| 20:29.26 | Adys | anonymously sends Kalroth's numbers in a paperplane |
| 20:29.29 | Lopeppeppy | Hey you... notice now you have no girls on your side of the gene pool? Wrong moove. |
| 20:29.48 | Lopeppeppy | "Benny! Looks like you're on the wrong side of the riiiiiiver!" |
| 20:29.48 | Dagmar | At that point it's a gene water slide, isn't it? |
| 20:29.56 | alestane | Wheee! |
| 20:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | I don't mix chlorine and genetics. |
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| 20:30.51 | Dagmar | You just make the bubbles, right? |
| 20:30.53 | Kalroth | Yeah, I prefer Chlorine and Pepsi myself |
| 20:30.57 | Kalroth | It doesn't even show! |
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| 20:31.02 | Seerah | shakes her head |
| 20:31.06 | Lopeppeppy | Coke doesn't stain. |
| 20:31.20 | Kalroth | I'm not using it to clean stains |
| 20:31.32 | Kalroth | pours Adys another glass. |
| 20:31.46 | Lopeppeppy | It's not a good contraceptive either, no matter what those websites claim. |
| 20:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | Put down the mentos and back away. |
| 20:31.55 | Kalroth | Oh bugger. |
| 20:32.27 | Adys | pours the glass inside purl |
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| 20:32.34 | Kalroth | Noooo |
| 20:32.36 | Kalroth | ~~~ |
| 20:34.05 | alestane | waves farewell. |
| 20:45.15 | Lunessa | wakes up. |
| 20:48.22 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 20:52.42 | Antiarc | Hi Fisker |
| 20:54.42 | dotted | hey Fisker |
| 20:56.20 | Antiarc | MOAR GRAPFS |
| 20:56.21 | Antiarc | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/auctionboss/index.php?q=Eternal+Fire# |
| 20:56.56 | Fisker | why php all of the sudden? |
| 20:57.22 | Thunder_Child | why not? |
| 20:57.24 | Antiarc | Because it's quick and dirty |
| 20:57.31 | Antiarc | I'm just generating Google chart API data |
| 20:57.52 | Fisker | well tell me when you got the bot up and running |
| 20:58.04 | Fisker | i suspect you'll be done before the beta ever reaches EU |
| 20:59.12 | Arrowmaster | Antiarc: are you actually able to get real sales values? |
| 20:59.44 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: Ayup. |
| 20:59.49 | Antiarc | Not explicitly |
| 20:59.50 | Antiarc | But I can infer it |
| 20:59.53 | Arrowmaster | instead of just guessing from items that have bids on them and items that disappear before they expire like auctioneer used to |
| 21:00.07 | Antiarc | Well no, that's the technique :P |
| 21:00.15 | Antiarc | Get those, eliminate outliers, sum |
| 21:00.15 | Dagmar | heh |
| 21:00.40 | Arrowmaster | bad technique, since many of the major AH players cancel auctions and relist them |
| 21:00.53 | Antiarc | That's why I'm eliminating outliers |
| 21:01.10 | Lunessa | cranks up the Bones Theme (Squints Mix) by The Crystal Method and rocks out some work. |
| 21:01.13 | Antiarc | Auctions above the median that disappear early are discounted as cancellations |
| 21:03.32 | cog|work | /approve [@Lunessa] |
| 21:04.01 | Arrowmaster | you could also check if all auctions for a certain item by a certain seller have disappeared and new ones of that item from that seller have shown up for less, especially if there is still an auction listed for that item by another seller thats inbetween the first two prices or the same as one of them |
| 21:04.17 | Arrowmaster | but that could be overly complex, even if it might be more accurate |
| 21:04.32 | Antiarc | I'll get there eventually |
| 21:04.36 | Antiarc | I've got a lot of computing power available |
| 21:05.40 | Arrowmaster | why is this page still loading? is it a constant refresh? |
| 21:06.28 | PProvost | Has the AVR block been discussed yet? |
| 21:06.33 | PProvost | http://www.wow.com/2010/05/20/blizzard-to-break-the-avr-mod-in-patch-3-3-5/ |
| 21:06.40 | Dagmar | yes, it has |
| 21:06.48 | PProvost | Dang. Have to scan my logs. |
| 21:06.57 | Arrowmaster | or check the topic |
| 21:07.09 | Dagmar | Well, you won't have to look far. I know it was posted here in the last 4 hours (for certain) |
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| 21:11.19 | Lunessa | Yeah, it's in the topic, and I linked the original blizzard posting in here shortly after it was posted. |
| 21:11.46 | PProvost | Long topics scroll off weechat, so I didn't see it until I did /topic |
| 21:12.01 | Fisker | what's 1 e.m. Antiarc ? |
| 21:12.14 | Fisker | not avr block PProvost ;3 |
| 21:12.15 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 21:12.24 | Antiarc | Fisker: ? |
| 21:12.37 | Fisker | it says so on your site |
| 21:14.54 | Fisker | don't you see it Antiarc ? |
| 21:15.24 | Antiarc | I'm confused |
| 21:16.30 | Fisker | it's in the graph |
| 21:16.45 | Fisker | shows "1 e.m. 2 e.m." etc. in the timeline |
| 21:17.03 | Fisker | wait a minute |
| 21:17.04 | Dagmar | Canadian time |
| 21:17.14 | Fisker | if that's danish for "after noon" imma fuck them up |
| 21:17.16 | Dagmar | There's eh-m and pee-m |
| 21:17.53 | Lunessa | Oh "The Cure" Nice little surprise in the shuffle there, iTunes. |
| 21:18.18 | Dagmar | From back before any goths got that whint |
| 21:18.19 | Fisker | what does your timeline say Antiarc ? |
| 21:18.20 | Dagmar | we whiny |
| 21:18.24 | Dagmar | s/we/er/; |
| 21:18.46 | Antiarc | I get 1 am, 2 am, etc |
| 21:19.16 | Fisker | sigh |
| 21:19.21 | Fisker | must be retarded translations then |
| 21:19.50 | Fisker | i wonder if they knew that we don't actually use the 12-hour format in Denmark? |
| 21:20.08 | sylvanaar | anyone on the ptr |
| 21:20.15 | sylvanaar | i need a friend |
| 21:20.38 | Fisker | YES! |
| 21:20.53 | Fisker | i will finally get a friend wee |
| 21:21.19 | Lunessa | ROLF - "This... I love you - you'll have my children someday...in fact - they're out in the car if you want them." |
| 21:21.31 | Lunessa | Well, ROFL anyway |
| 21:21.35 | Fisker | rolf sørensen? |
| 21:22.13 | Fisker | why does embedded youtube videos open in a new window now? |
| 21:22.16 | Fisker | i hate youtube |
| 21:23.14 | Fisker | why won't you be friends with me sylvanaar ? |
| 21:24.26 | Fisker | sweet |
| 21:24.36 | Fisker | this week is milfweek |
| 21:26.46 | sylvanaar | you know my email? |
| 21:27.45 | sylvanaar | prat actually works, im surprised. im sure it breaks the BN chat |
| 21:28.42 | Fisker | i don't sylvanaar :( |
| 21:28.57 | Fisker | http://twitter.com/PaulOBrien/status/14385761538 <-sweet Antiarc |
| 21:29.16 | Antiarc | :o |
| 21:29.32 | Fisker | haha wat |
| 21:29.44 | Fisker | xbox is stalking my asdsadsadas account i made on twitter to get realtime support :P |
| 21:30.03 | Fisker | give me your email sylvanaar :( |
| 21:30.15 | sylvanaar | @mindspring.com |
| 21:31.22 | Fisker | you got it? |
| 21:35.00 | Fisker | man giev eu remote beta already |
| 21:35.32 | sylvanaar | i want a beta key =( |
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| 21:36.13 | sylvanaar | its neat that the eu and us ptrs are together |
| 21:36.48 | Fisker | yeah sylvanaar |
| 21:36.49 | Fisker | you and me both |
| 21:37.04 | Fisker | i was like totally getting one |
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| 21:40.04 | Fisker | btw http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/logitechs-google-tv-companion-box-includes-smartphone-apps-we/ |
| 21:40.06 | Fisker | i liek |
| 21:44.30 | foxlit | hey, an official "We broke AVR" post. |
| 21:44.56 | Fisker | old |
| 21:44.59 | Fisker | btw foxlit |
| 21:45.04 | Fisker | it's milf week on 3+ |
| 21:45.14 | Sesshu| | hmm |
| 21:45.24 | Sesshu| | how blizz want to break avr? |
| 21:45.54 | Dagmar | They *do* explain it in the bluetext |
| 21:46.16 | Fisker | they don't like people drawing dicks in their world |
| 21:46.17 | Sesshu| | hmpf |
| 21:46.34 | foxlit | I don't think they mention *how* |
| 21:46.49 | Fisker | i think they do |
| 21:46.52 | Arrowmaster | they removed the CVar trick |
| 21:46.52 | Fisker | or atleast kd3 told us |
| 21:46.56 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 21:47.02 | Fisker | i wonder if they do that for all cvars or? |
| 21:47.10 | Fisker | or only camera related ones |
| 21:47.12 | foxlit | There was a non-blue post detailing that change a while ago. |
| 21:47.16 | Dagmar | They also expressed that they may take more drastic measures if needed |
| 21:47.16 | Arrowmaster | just the camera ones |
| 21:47.34 | foxlit | "Try us!" |
| 21:47.59 | Fisker | they'll have to remove positional information |
| 21:49.07 | Arrowmaster | AVR worked by calling the function to save the current camera possition to one of the 5 slots to save camera positions and then on the line directly below that querying a few cvars to get the exact camera angles of that saved position |
| 21:49.46 | Dagmar | Let's hope that AVR sticks to simply letting you pass a flat, whiteboard-esque diagram to people after this |
| 21:49.57 | Dashkal | Meh, I broke a setting somewhere. Ubuntu. Somehow I have my audio output routing back into my input so people on vent (mangler, actually) hear themselves. |
| 21:50.03 | Arrowmaster | i dont know if its still true but last i heard those 5 camera positions were broken when blizz started saving macros and cvars serverside and were not restored between sessions making them almost completely useless |
| 21:50.04 | Fisker | unless Antiarc wusses out we'll get something better soon anyway |
| 21:51.35 | Arrowmaster | i forget, does the rotate minimap option make the minimap rotate with where your character is looking or with where your camera is looking? |
| 21:52.13 | foxlit | Fisker: they clearly need to break *all* range chekers. |
| 21:52.29 | Fisker | only player looking |
| 21:52.33 | Fisker | yeah foxlit |
| 21:52.53 | Fisker | but in reality they just have to make their encounters independent on addons instead |
| 21:53.25 | foxlit | Being able to judge what's "too close for comfort" is a core game mechanic. |
| 21:53.35 | Fisker | as someone said: Blizzards encounters are so simple they were defeated by simple trigonometry |
| 21:53.35 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 21:53.59 | foxlit | "Its sad you see you are removing the only explanation tool that we can use for deaf people in raids. I imagine we will have to cut them all now. |
| 21:53.59 | foxlit | " |
| 21:54.19 | Fisker | yeah that's the worst part of it |
| 21:54.19 | Lunessa | Trigonometry was only a setback! |
| 21:54.26 | Fisker | it's a great tool, even without the encounter specific data |
| 21:54.52 | Cide | who needs trigonometry when there is calorimetry |
| 21:55.39 | Fisker | also i refuse to believe that the amount of addons that directly benefit from range addons weren't explicitly added due to said range addons |
| 21:56.25 | Fisker | also range hugely trivializes 10-man raids due to the bigger amount of space available |
| 21:56.51 | Dagmar | qq moar |
| 21:56.59 | Dagmar | You can afford to lose more people in a 25-man |
| 21:57.00 | foxlit | "Fisker: also i refuse to believe that the amount of addons that directly benefit from range addons weren't explicitly added due to said range addons" << parse error near 'addons' |
| 21:57.23 | Dagmar | foxlit: "Addons having addons, next on Maury!" |
| 21:57.36 | sylvanaar | so what are "toasts" |
| 21:57.42 | foxlit | We heard you like addons, so we put addons in your addons so you can addon while you addon with your addons? |
| 21:57.44 | Fisker | achievements and shit |
| 21:57.49 | Dagmar | foxlit++ |
| 21:59.07 | NightHawkTheSane | toasts sylvanaar! |
| 22:00.13 | Arrowmaster | oh god these speakers have to be fucking old, 5.1 computer speakers on amazon for $469.99 and they are only 155 watts total, yet there are reviews from as recent as 2007 |
| 22:00.34 | Fisker | vidi veni foxlit |
| 22:00.51 | Fisker | (If latin works that way) |
| 22:01.30 | foxlit | wtb 3.3.5 yesterday, anyhow. |
| 22:01.41 | Fisker | wtb hudmap the day before that |
| 22:01.46 | foxlit | Being almost out of content is no fun :( |
| 22:02.03 | Fisker | my ex-guild was happy today btw |
| 22:02.09 | Fisker | got LK in phase 3 with noone dead |
| 22:02.12 | Fisker | then the server crashed |
| 22:02.15 | Sesshu| | why not veni vidi foxlit? that would be the actual oder |
| 22:02.37 | Fisker | Sesshu| |
| 22:02.43 | Sesshu| | Fisker |
| 22:02.49 | Fisker | http://www.xerq.net/lulz/0909-SEPTEMBER/000-0909-GIF/Trool.gif |
| 22:02.54 | Fisker | that explains everything |
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| 22:03.03 | Fisker | also try saying it in english Sesshu| |
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| 22:03.21 | Sesshu| | saying what? |
| 22:03.30 | Sesshu| | veni vidi vici? |
| 22:03.33 | Fisker | no |
| 22:03.37 | Fisker | vidi veni |
| 22:04.19 | Sesshu| | i have seen, i have come |
| 22:04.37 | Sesshu| | hm? |
| 22:04.39 | Fisker | i saw, i came |
| 22:04.54 | Sesshu| | doesn't really matters |
| 22:05.11 | Fisker | what about "i came" then |
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| 22:06.18 | Sesshu| | sometimes somebody comes..sometimes somebody goes |
| 22:06.59 | Fisker | i think the real question at this point is who's trolling who now |
| 22:07.00 | Fisker | :P |
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| 22:07.25 | Sesshu| | hm |
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| 22:09.26 | Sesshu | but i thing that is the only really important thing here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFalTRHDA |
| 22:10.10 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY <-basically this is what i meant by vidi veni |
| 22:10.10 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 22:10.33 | Sesshu | This video is not available in your country. :( |
| 22:10.43 | Sesshu | have to use a proxy |
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| 22:12.01 | Sesshu | ow i know that video |
| 22:12.08 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4 |
| 22:12.09 | Adys | Maldivia_: ping |
| 22:12.09 | Fisker | ^^ |
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| 22:50.30 | Adys | Jerub: ping |
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| 23:08.27 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, overheard from two cubes over: "Don't you ever get tired of ONLY having problems?" |
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| 23:29.26 | foxlit | Gah, nondeterminism. |
| 23:32.05 | Arrowmaster | http://www.teufelaudio.com/pc-speakers/decoderstation-5.html |
| 23:32.14 | Arrowmaster | crap thats like 220 USD |
| 23:32.20 | Arrowmaster | and they dont even ship to the US |
| 23:32.53 | Arrowmaster | for that price i might actually consider a new speaker system |
| 23:38.42 | Adys | http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/05/the-wireless-traffic-of-mit-students/ |
| 23:38.44 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane There are many folks who have that illness. |
| 23:38.48 | Adys | top 20 http traffic = win |
| 23:44.38 | Adys | ~quakenet-- |
| 23:46.16 | Arrowmaster | you mean top 10? |
| 23:50.35 | Adys | no |
| 23:50.38 | Adys | its two columns |
| 23:51.56 | Arrowmaster | right but your number 10 |
| 23:52.28 | Fisker | but it's a top 20 |
| 23:53.15 | Arrowmaster | although i wonder how much of that static.mmo-champion.com was just images on or linked from ensidia.com since it and static.ensidia.com are on the top 20 |
| 23:53.54 | Adys | i dont think ensidia links us that much |
| 23:54.36 | Arrowmaster | even if this was during the time that mmo champ has all the images up for cataclysm? |
| 23:54.45 | Adys | shrug |
| 23:54.46 | Fisker | there was that dataminer thingy |
| 23:56.32 | Arrowmaster | wonder how much of that top 20 is because of multiple ajax requests from a single page |
| 23:56.38 | Arrowmaster | probably a fuck ton |
