| 00:00.13 | foxlit | class Foo { public boolean equals(Foo other) { return ...; } } |
| 00:00.21 | foxlit | Would that actually work, I wonder. |
| 00:01.59 | Amarande | well, one reason I pull aggro so easily is that I'm MM and do super fun happy gobs of damage with my OWN hits as opposed to being BM and relying mainly on pet damage |
| 00:04.34 | bleeter | Amarande: my worst is forgetting to turn off Aggressive after doing some AV tower defense work, then going to instance but afking on zone in to make coffee... yeah done that a few times in my life ;) |
| 00:06.48 | Amarande | bleeter: does this usually end in your hunter being votekicked? |
| 00:08.05 | bleeter | Amarande: nah, the votekick is usually for the shitty gear ;) |
| 00:08.19 | Amarande | oh god |
| 00:08.24 | Amarande | what battlegroup are you on that votekicks based on GS |
| 00:08.30 | Amarande | remind me never to roll on that BG |
| 00:08.47 | Amarande | I'm going to guess that super hardcore nasty one that's got Tichondrius and the like on it |
| 00:09.12 | bleeter | it was a joke :P but yes I think Tich is on this BG now you mention it |
| 00:09.14 | olafski | there's people who do that on every battlegroup |
| 00:09.25 | Amarande | olafski: I'm not sure if Stormstrike Horde does that |
| 00:09.26 | bleeter | true. jerks abound. |
| 00:09.34 | Amarande | remember, we have Mal'Ganis, which is one of the bigger jerk hotbeds on WoW |
| 00:09.42 | Amarande | but I don't think I've seen anyone get kicked for insufficient gear |
| 00:09.45 | olafski | just send hellscream after them amarande |
| 00:09.52 | Amarande | for failing at tanking, afking, or DCing and not coming back, yeah |
| 00:09.56 | Amarande | but not for bad gear per se |
| 00:10.30 | Amarande | bleeter: I can understand it happening on your battlegroup though |
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| 00:10.40 | Amarande | mostly because DF probably made Tich players have apoplectic fits lol |
| 00:10.51 | Amarande | because Tich players think anyone not from Tich is ten classes of retard by comparison to Tich |
| 00:10.56 | Amarande | hell their MOTTO is "Tichondrius is not for you" |
| 00:11.08 | Amarande | hell yeah, why would I want to roll on Tich |
| 00:11.12 | olafski | giggle |
| 00:11.22 | Amarande | it's full of jerks, *and* you have to wait three hours to log onto the server half the time from what I'm told |
| 00:11.37 | Amarande | gee, a queue to get on so you can ... get into more queues |
| 00:11.39 | Amarande | yeah, that sounds like fun |
| 00:11.40 | Amarande | not |
| 00:11.54 | bleeter | Amarande: yeah, Bloodlust. Tich's battlegroup |
| 00:14.32 | Iriel | Shirik: I dont have the kind of gear this calibration shooting guide recommends (studio lights, etc) |
| 00:14.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:14.51 | Shirik | I didn't follow the guide :P |
| 00:15.00 | Iriel | Maybe that's why your images dont work? |
| 00:15.02 | Shirik | I just repositioned a lot of household lights and used a gray card |
| 00:15.04 | Shirik | maybe |
| 00:17.00 | Cide | problem solved btw |
| 00:17.45 | Adys | Slashdot makes up for it by posting an X-Fry, X-Leela, X-bender or other header with every HTTP response. |
| 00:17.48 | Adys | WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME |
| 00:17.54 | Adys | I feel emasculated |
| 00:18.17 | Cide | you are emasculated |
| 00:18.23 | Lopeppeppy | Check and see. |
| 00:18.25 | Adys | Come remasculate me, Cide |
| 00:18.37 | Cide | are you Fisker in disguise? |
| 00:19.28 | Adys | Fisker has long been masculateless |
| 00:19.44 | Cide | more like... demasculated? |
| 00:20.33 | Cairenn | or perhaps even feminized? |
| 00:20.33 | Adys | JESUS SHITTING CHRIST WHAT IS IT WITH WOWHEAD ADS |
| 00:20.40 | Adys | Nah demasculated is more like... eh |
| 00:20.44 | Adys | Yeah feminized is more like it |
| 00:20.53 | Shirik | you're a womanizer? |
| 00:21.00 | Adys | no u |
| 00:21.20 | Adys | holy hell |
| 00:21.20 | KarlKFI | better than a manizer |
| 00:21.35 | cbreak | anyone knows how many people there are in a starcraft 2 division? |
| 00:21.43 | KarlKFI | not many |
| 00:21.49 | cbreak | and are people only selected to play against their own division? |
| 00:21.50 | Shirik | 100 |
| 00:21.52 | Shirik | no |
| 00:21.58 | cbreak | oh |
| 00:22.01 | Amarande | I dunno Adys, been browsing porn? |
| 00:22.03 | cbreak | then, what is it good for? |
| 00:22.10 | Amarande | Most ads I see in general lately on websites tend to be for gadgetry of some or other sort |
| 00:22.15 | Shirik | so that you aren't #89532 in the world |
| 00:22.16 | KarlKFI | you fight up and down bepending on yoru rank and recent wins/losses |
| 00:22.21 | Amarande | usually taunting me that I don't have the money for a while to get a Nexus One :P |
| 00:25.52 | airtonix | KarlKFI, misogynist is the term. |
| 00:26.58 | KarlKFI | hatred of women is != manizer |
| 00:27.13 | airtonix | i mean misandrist |
| 00:27.43 | KarlKFI | womanizers aren't necissarily misogynists |
| 00:28.08 | KarlKFI | so i feel obliged to point out⦠misandrist != manizer |
| 00:28.30 | airtonix | what is manizer anyway ? a kind of shrink ray ? |
| 00:28.35 | Lopeppeppy | thinks vocabulary is sexy. |
| 00:29.18 | Fisker | thinks Lopeppeppy is a vocabulary |
| 00:29.38 | KarlKFI | it's a word i just made up. therefore it obviously means a promiscuous human female |
| 00:30.18 | KarlKFI | one that wont commit |
| 00:30.20 | airtonix | In the past quarter century, we exposed biases against other races and called it racism, and we exposed biases against women and called it sexism. Biases against men we call humor. |
| 00:30.29 | airtonix | -_- |
| 00:31.10 | KarlKFI | it's fairly synonymous with Maneater |
| 00:31.18 | KarlKFI | but not rly |
| 00:31.22 | airtonix | Poison Ivy ? |
| 00:32.03 | KarlKFI | tho Maneaters are more deceptive |
| 00:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | then call me on it, airtonix, same way I call people out on offensive sex jokes. Do it, show me where I'm wrong. It's good. *hug* |
| 00:32.22 | KarlKFI | whereas a manizer is more open about their manizing |
| 00:35.20 | airtonix | Lopeppeppy, should i be ? |
| 00:35.50 | Lopeppeppy | why not? If I tell a joke that offends you, don't let me get away with it, tell me. |
| 00:36.26 | Thunder_Child | you can tell me as well, but i will just ignore it |
| 00:42.07 | airtonix | oh i thought you were requesting a backdated list. |
| 00:42.13 | airtonix | >< |
| 00:42.32 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 00:43.44 | Sixen | Hai Peppy |
| 00:43.48 | Sixen | And TC |
| 00:43.58 | Thunder_Child | Sixen: greetings |
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| 00:45.36 | Lopeppeppy | heya, Sixen |
| 00:45.48 | Sixen | =] |
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| 01:07.24 | Wobin | Shirik, http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2010/05/one-book-one-twitter-one-wondering.html |
| 01:11.39 | Fisker | oops Wobin |
| 01:11.44 | Fisker | i transformed without even realizing it |
| 01:12.10 | Wobin | You accidentally the whole thing?! |
| 01:12.22 | Fisker | yeah |
| 01:12.27 | Wobin | =\ |
| 01:13.00 | Adys | CIDE |
| 01:13.03 | Adys | CIDEEEEEEEEE |
| 01:13.05 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/194788/ :D |
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| 01:18.10 | Fisker | I still think google should just have sent the german police a list of unsecured wifi networks and their geolocation |
| 01:20.02 | Wobin | http://www.headhoods.com/style14.html |
| 01:21.02 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 01:21.06 | Shirik | 4chan fails once again: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/67e5e6cef4e3b5eb345c0982d862ba39.png |
| 01:21.59 | Cide | Adys |
| 01:22.03 | Cide | I'm busy watching an epic commentary |
| 01:22.12 | Adys | dude |
| 01:22.17 | Adys | my shit is more epic than your shit right now |
| 01:22.28 | Shirik | unlikely |
| 01:22.41 | Adys | we're both pythonistas Shirik |
| 01:22.47 | Adys | you can't handle the level of epicness |
| 01:22.51 | Adys | so don't comment on it |
| 01:23.08 | Shirik | unlikely |
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| 01:23.22 | Adys | YOUW CANT HENDDLE THE TROOTH |
| 01:23.43 | Thunder_Child | and you cant henddle your keyboard |
| 01:23.49 | Cide | very unlikely |
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| 01:33.07 | Cide | wow Shirik |
| 01:33.14 | Cide | you are in a fuckton of channels |
| 01:34.15 | Shirik | I used to be in 46 |
| 01:34.18 | Shirik | I cleaned up recently |
| 01:35.33 | Adys | Cide, get ready for awesomeness in a bit |
| 01:35.36 | Cide | uh huh |
| 01:39.00 | Adys | Cide, I'm dead serious |
| 01:39.16 | Cide | uh huh |
| 01:40.27 | Arrowmaster | im in 43 channels right now if i just counted correctly |
| 01:40.57 | Adys | Cide |
| 01:41.01 | Adys | [master 186179f] structures, fields: Rename LocalizedFields into LocalizedField and handle its structure on its own, rather than separated in every file |
| 01:41.01 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.58 | Cide | nice |
| 01:50.11 | Cide | but the commentary is more epic |
| 01:50.16 | Adys | no |
| 01:50.22 | Cide | yes |
| 01:50.45 | Adys | over 1000 deletions in a single commit that does not remove a single feature to a program |
| 01:50.49 | Adys | = a LOT of devpoints |
| 01:51.35 | Cide | epic commentary = a LOT of entertainmentpoints |
| 01:52.15 | Adys | you fail so hard |
| 01:52.27 | Adys | ... |
| 01:52.30 | Cide | ... |
| 01:52.35 | Adys | and my cat was just about to lick my video card |
| 01:52.43 | Adys | i either need to close my computer or close my door |
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| 01:53.45 | Cide | or both |
| 01:53.54 | Adys | or neither |
| 01:56.36 | DWSR | Or either. |
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| 01:57.27 | Adys | Or half |
| 01:59.23 | DWSR | Black people praising Hitler? Oxymoronic, or just regularly moronic? |
| 02:01.05 | cbreak | his propaganda skills were not bad... |
| 02:01.05 | Dagmar | No, non-sequitir |
| 02:01.31 | Dagmar | Unless, of course, there's a new faction of people who are convinced that the Holocaust was a warm-up for genocide against black people |
| 02:01.42 | Dagmar | checks FarrakanWeb |
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| 02:05.05 | cog|away | a looooooooong time ago a friend told me everybody masturbates. I didn't believe him............ -_- |
| 02:05.39 | Dagmar | Yeah, they say that, and then you watch Larry King... |
| 02:05.49 | Dagmar | If that's true, it's a recipe for suicide. |
| 02:06.15 | Sixen | Everyone does. |
| 02:06.16 | Sixen | o_o |
| 02:06.31 | Iriel | That doesn't mean everyone is doing it all the time, however |
| 02:06.46 | Dagmar | WEll, obviously not all the time. |
| 02:06.49 | Dagmar | looks around |
| 02:09.06 | Dagmar | Holy crap I actually bought a thumbdrive that doesn't have U3 on it |
| 02:09.14 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 02:09.31 | Dagmar | I *just* got around to finding the goddamn code to let me put my own stuff in the protected filesystem area |
| 02:09.39 | Dagmar | *rageface* |
| 02:09.59 | cog|away | makes 'em cheap imo |
| 02:11.02 | Dagmar | That one extra bit of silicon isn't expensive |
| 02:12.01 | Thunder_Child | tell that to boob jobs |
| 02:12.17 | Dagmar | Different type of silicon |
| 02:12.43 | cog|away | not talking about the silicon... you don't think the manufacturers put that software on it just for shits and giggles do you? |
| 02:13.34 | Dagmar | With the level of effort they put into "value-add"? |
| 02:13.35 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 02:14.00 | Dagmar | They stopped putting lanyards in the package ages ago, and those g'damn things don't cost more than about eight cents apiece |
| 02:14.53 | Dagmar | Frankly I think part of it is probably that the "magic secret" is out as to how to modify the U3 filesystem |
| 02:16.42 | Arrowmaster | its just formated a special way |
| 02:16.55 | Dagmar | No, it's actually not. |
| 02:17.04 | Dagmar | There's a small handful of extra commands the U3 drives support |
| 02:17.06 | davis | hello |
| 02:17.14 | Dagmar | Those commands manipulate the protected filesystem. |
| 02:17.22 | davis | i am trying to understand unit_aura event. |
| 02:17.39 | davis | i can hook it but it only shows the player id assocaited with the spell. |
| 02:17.45 | Dagmar | Mind you, if I had some even more esoteric tools than I got last night I could *probably* push that microcode into the thumbdrive as well |
| 02:17.51 | davis | how do I determine what the particular aura is? |
| 02:18.06 | davis | for instance, i want to know when my healer gains surge of light. |
| 02:18.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:18.34 | Shirik | This is really confusing |
| 02:18.44 | Shirik | I shut down my desktop in florida and unplugged my cable modem |
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| 02:19.03 | Shirik | a week later I get "RECOVERY: ECOCAR/BUILDSVR is UP, 0% packet loss" |
| 02:19.11 | Shirik | and now it keeps going up and down |
| 02:19.18 | Dagmar | davis: That's actually a good question.. I'm looking myself |
| 02:19.19 | Iriel | davis: usually you make a note of it when it happens |
| 02:19.19 | Shirik | I think I'm watching someone turn their computer on and off |
| 02:20.06 | Dagmar | davis: Offhand I suspect you may have to query the unitid with a different function and cache the results |
| 02:20.12 | davis | yah I will try to make a note of it, but I can not tell the difference between a regular renew aura and a renew which granted surge of light. |
| 02:20.35 | Iriel | Does surge of light appear in the combat log? |
| 02:20.42 | davis | yes |
| 02:20.43 | Iriel | COMBAT_LOG_UNFILTERED might be more appropriate? |
| 02:21.59 | davis | ok that says it will fire when combat log updates |
| 02:22.31 | davis | can you query the log to get the particular event? |
| 02:23.58 | Dagmar | Gahh... I was just looking at a page that showed an addon that exposes all those events in realtime |
| 02:24.25 | Iriel | How about /eventtrace |
| 02:24.29 | Iriel | it's built in |
| 02:24.36 | davis | i saw it in eventtrace as well |
| 02:25.12 | davis | i'm thinking it would be beneficial to have a add-on which will alert the player when certian buffs happen |
| 02:25.26 | Iriel | I thinkt here are numerous of those |
| 02:25.27 | davis | i was using my priest as test sandbox |
| 02:25.58 | davis | yes, i figured as much, so I thought it would be something do-able. |
| 02:26.21 | Iriel | It'd probably be a good 'get familar with addons' project |
| 02:28.33 | davis | cool there is an unit_aura api. |
| 02:28.50 | davis | it looks like it returns the currnet buffs on the target. |
| 02:29.00 | Iriel | That's how the buff frames in the UI work |
| 02:29.09 | Iriel | UNIT_AURA tells you something changed (and to an extent, what) |
| 02:29.16 | Iriel | The API can then be used to get details |
| 02:30.19 | davis | yes |
| 02:30.31 | davis | that looks like what i need to use. |
| 02:30.36 | davis | thanks. |
| 02:31.18 | Iriel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura - In case you didn't know about wowprogramming |
| 02:33.24 | davis | yes that is where i found itl |
| 02:33.25 | davis | thanks |
| 02:34.05 | Iriel | Mmmmmm... pizza |
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| 02:38.06 | cog|away | pussy riding a cock http://i35.tinypic.com/4lh6zd.jpg |
| 02:39.57 | cog|away | Fisker: ^ |
| 02:39.58 | Thunder_Child | old without looking at it |
| 02:41.18 | cog|away | isn't it interesting that people have made a defense out of having no life? ;) |
| 02:42.00 | davis | i got it |
| 02:42.14 | davis | its kind of simple, i amsure there is a better way to do it. |
| 02:42.30 | davis | let me paste it so someone can critique it. |
| 02:43.40 | davis | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136499 |
| 02:44.18 | Iriel | You can combine lines 14-21 into one line |
| 02:44.47 | Iriel | Just stick local at the start of 21, remove 14-20 |
| 02:45.26 | davis | so just put all the variables on one line following local? |
| 02:45.37 | Iriel | local name, rank, icon, count, dispelType, duration, expires =UnitAura(arg1,"Surge of Light"); |
| 02:45.51 | davis | ok cool |
| 02:46.05 | davis | i was hoping I could do some skipping |
| 02:46.17 | davis | like I dot care about rank, icon, etc. |
| 02:46.32 | Iriel | well, you could omit any AFTER the last one you care about |
| 02:46.39 | Iriel | Some folks do: |
| 02:46.51 | davis | and i was surprised, it does not fire again when the buff expires. |
| 02:46.56 | Iriel | local name, _, _, _, _, duration = .... |
| 02:47.03 | Iriel | But to be honest it's easier to read and debug with the names in there |
| 02:47.20 | davis | ok that works, but I agree with you. |
| 02:47.35 | davis | that way you could come back and ahve some context |
| 02:48.26 | davis | anytwya, thanks. this is fun stuff. |
| 02:53.38 | Amarande | Weird |
| 02:53.42 | Amarande | I found a wand that just says "Damage" |
| 02:53.44 | Amarande | without an element |
| 02:53.48 | Amarande | what does that one do, physical? |
| 02:53.58 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 02:54.05 | Arrowmaster | those are funny |
| 02:59.55 | Mr_Rabies | so this whole gamerscore thing has me worried |
| 03:00.02 | Mr_Rabies | i'm afraid to subscribe because of it |
| 03:00.09 | Mr_Rabies | is it really as bad as everyone says it is? |
| 03:00.17 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 03:00.18 | Mr_Rabies | gearscore |
| 03:00.23 | Mr_Rabies | derp, got my GS's mixed up |
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| 03:05.02 | Arrowmaster | subscribe? |
| 03:05.18 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.46 | Thunder_Child | only you can answer that |
| 03:06.17 | Iriel | I live a fulfilling life at 80 with no regard to GS |
| 03:06.24 | Iriel | Mind you, i'm not a raider |
| 03:07.17 | foxlit | I am a raider, and we have basically no regard to GS either. |
| 03:08.25 | foxlit | It only ever potentially appears when you're trying to join a pickup group for a raid -- either find people who don't particularly care about gearscore, or just join a guild. |
| 03:08.54 | Arrowmaster | and with LFD its shouldnt be much of an issue |
| 03:09.16 | Arrowmaster | before LFD was when people were so stupid about it |
| 03:09.42 | Iriel | Case in point, tonight, Random heroic -- Very well geared druid == total jackass and died multiple times because he wasn't paying any attention |
| 03:10.53 | Dagmar | Tell him no more bong hits unless he brought enough for everyone |
| 03:13.20 | Iriel | yeah really |
| 03:18.36 | Amarande | DEAR GOD. |
| 03:18.45 | Amarande | I'm level 75, most of the mobs in BT are like 'meh whatever' when I even pass close |
| 03:18.51 | Amarande | but these stupid beryl treasure hunters? gaaaaahhhhh |
| 03:19.10 | Dagmar | Take the beryl out of your pockets |
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| 03:21.05 | Dagmar | There's a Donkey Kong joke in there somewhere, I just know it. |
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| 03:41.02 | Mr_Rabies | <@Iriel> Case in point, tonight, Random heroic -- Very well geared druid == total jackass and died multiple times because he wasn't paying any attention |
| 03:41.12 | Mr_Rabies | there were some really well geared morons in my guild back in the day |
| 03:41.20 | Mr_Rabies | the ones that would spam DPS meters every fight |
| 03:42.02 | Mr_Rabies | who cares if they pulled aggro and ended up getting the whole raid killed |
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| 03:42.15 | cybermind | im getting people posting meters in 5 mans while im leveling my druid |
| 03:42.15 | Mr_Rabies | at least they're on top of duh meetar |
| 03:42.22 | Mr_Rabies | gahaha |
| 03:42.26 | Mr_Rabies | i only did that once |
| 03:42.28 | cybermind | sorry my damage is so low...im a druid.... |
| 03:42.36 | bluspacecow | hey guys any curse admins on ? |
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| 03:42.42 | Mr_Rabies | when i was doing uh |
| 03:42.45 | Mr_Rabies | scarlet monastery |
| 03:42.46 | Mr_Rabies | as a priest |
| 03:42.48 | Mr_Rabies | and i was on top |
| 03:42.51 | Mr_Rabies | of EVERY meter |
| 03:42.59 | cybermind | mage is sitting there blizzarding everything |
| 03:43.06 | Mr_Rabies | healing, tanking, dps, everything |
| 03:43.15 | cybermind | im like "....claw.....rake.....claw....:(" |
| 03:43.23 | bluspacecow | really |
| 03:43.27 | bluspacecow | dps on my drood is |
| 03:43.28 | Mr_Rabies | my shadow priest was so op around level 35-40ish |
| 03:43.35 | bluspacecow | *press random pretty buttons* |
| 03:43.42 | Mr_Rabies | i did pretty reasonable dps back in kara |
| 03:44.02 | Mr_Rabies | i'd generally do pretty well on charts but i'd also pop out to innervate healers |
| 03:44.26 | Mr_Rabies | i also innervated sometimes while MTing in kara, the priests really got worried sometimes :D |
| 03:44.48 | Mr_Rabies | (my main is a druid, sorry for being confusing there) |
| 03:45.06 | Mr_Rabies | my priest is my alt, and i'm currently playing it for the halibut |
| 03:45.11 | bluspacecow | lolz you said "innervate" |
| 03:45.41 | Mr_Rabies | since everyone i ever knew on my server is dead |
| 03:45.41 | bluspacecow | thats a drood ability ! |
| 03:45.41 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 03:45.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's like futurama |
| 03:45.46 | Mr_Rabies | i've come from the distant year of 2008 with all my epix |
| 03:45.54 | Mr_Rabies | and there's dudes with greens that vastly outrank them |
| 03:46.05 | Mr_Rabies | i get people inspecting me all WTF and stuff |
| 03:46.06 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
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| 04:40.38 | Amarande | So today's random was VH |
| 04:40.53 | Amarande | I really am starting to wonder if the random dungeon server prefers to assign you to a dungeon you haven't played before if possible |
| 04:41.04 | Amarande | (Would explain you guys' trouble with failtanks in PoS, too) |
| 04:46.34 | cybermind | Amarande: for about a month i got ONLY hos, hol, or dtk |
| 04:46.41 | cybermind | on 2 different characters |
| 04:46.47 | cybermind | at least for the first ones for frost badges |
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| 04:58.34 | Amarande | cybermind: not sure about heroics |
| 04:58.42 | Amarande | this is normals, observed while leveling through the 70s |
| 04:58.46 | cybermind | ah |
| 04:59.01 | Amarande | every day I'd leveled since the last day, and every day I got put in a different dungeon (even though the previous ones were also yellow) as if the game was built to do it |
| 04:59.14 | Amarande | Utgarde, then Nexus, then AN, then OK, then VH |
| 04:59.29 | cybermind | in the late 20s early 30s i always rfk |
| 04:59.43 | cybermind | lol |
| 04:59.53 | Amarande | cybermind: well, there are indeed some levels where you can get only one random |
| 05:00.05 | Amarande | AFAICT, you are only ever assigned to dungeons that are yellow on the "specific dungeons" list |
| 05:00.13 | cybermind | well i could get sm gy and.... |
| 05:00.15 | cybermind | the other one |
| 05:00.17 | cybermind | uh |
| 05:00.22 | Amarande | library? |
| 05:00.30 | Amarande | heh, library's a joke |
| 05:00.30 | Wobin | armory? |
| 05:00.38 | cybermind | gnome |
| 05:00.39 | Amarande | I still remember the time I 2-manned that, not even having a tank |
| 05:00.46 | Amarande | 34 priest and 42 mage |
| 05:00.48 | Amarande | not many problems |
| 05:00.59 | cybermind | yeah library is a bit dumb |
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| 05:02.47 | Amarande | good grief, 75, more than halfway to 76 already |
| 05:02.51 | Amarande | I'm gonna make MAD bank on quests on this DK |
| 05:04.49 | Amarande | yay max skinning |
| 05:04.53 | Amarande | ok, that was kinda anticlimactic |
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| 05:05.04 | Amarande | after all the careful skinning of mobs as I quested and did instances to get to 449 |
| 05:05.12 | Amarande | 450 came ... from a corpse lying in the snow in Coldarra :P |
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| 05:49.34 | Thunder_Child | ~cackle |
| 05:49.35 | purl | ACTION cackles |
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| 06:24.01 | tekkub | leveling a mage... do I want to go fire or arcane? |
| 06:25.55 | Amarande | tekkub: arcane is probably more likely to spare you "GOD I HATE THIS MOB" moments |
| 06:26.01 | Amarande | frost will make you hate ice elementals with a passion |
| 06:26.07 | Amarande | fire will make you hate fire elementals with a passion |
| 06:26.14 | Amarande | are there any arcane elementals, as in immune to arcane sort? |
| 06:26.17 | tekkub | I will have a partner (druoid) at all times |
| 06:26.32 | Amarande | also: ARE THERE ANY FRIGGIN HEALERS ON FOR NEXUS RIGHT NOW GRRR. |
| 06:27.24 | Thunder_Child | tekkub: i leveled fire, 2-3 hits would kill a mob |
| 06:27.33 | Thunder_Child | rarly would the mob even touch me |
| 06:27.41 | tekkub | domo |
| 06:28.32 | Amarande | The main problem with fire is if you want to do instances on the way up |
| 06:28.39 | Amarande | not only do you have the usual problem getting groups, since you're DPS |
| 06:28.48 | tekkub | I don't, he's new to wow |
| 06:28.49 | Amarande | but apparently fire mages have it by far the roughest when it comes to controlling their aggro |
| 06:29.01 | tekkub | I don't want to drag him off to an instance to level |
| 06:36.14 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: ah, you should drag him into RFC as early as possible then start screaming about the mobs attacking you and to get them off |
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| 06:44.33 | Jamash | there are a few arcane elementals, but mostly in Dire Maul |
| 06:47.23 | cybermind | hunters probably know them fairly well as being arcane immune |
| 06:47.44 | A-KO | jesus |
| 06:48.05 | A-KO | I haven't had a decent amount of caffeine in a while--today, around 5:30PM, I had a smoothie with 125mg of some high potency caffeine in it |
| 06:48.08 | A-KO | and now I'm unable to sleep |
| 06:48.21 | A-KO | been about 20 hours or so of awake time :P usually don't make it anywhere near this, I'm restless...haha |
| 06:52.00 | Arrowmaster | im restless too but i think its more anxiety, i started reading a really really good visual novel again |
| 06:52.11 | Arrowmaster | my foot wont stop bouncing |
| 06:54.43 | Thunder_Child | staples Arrowmaster's feet to the floor |
| 06:55.08 | Arrowmaster | its not on the floor, im sitting crosslegged in a chair |
| 06:55.19 | Thunder_Child | and that stops me how? |
| 06:58.58 | Arrowmaster | did you miss the part earlier today where i was playing with my new battle axe? |
| 07:06.31 | Thunder_Child | i just figured you got some viagra or somesuch |
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| 07:10.15 | Amarande | yay. four new blues acquired. |
| 07:10.41 | Amarande | I still keep wondering though why the instance quest rewards from 70-79 are always better than the actual instance loot |
| 07:10.50 | Amarande | usually the instance loot was better in the past :S |
| 07:12.42 | Mr_Rabies | quest rewards in general were designed to be pretty good in tbc |
| 07:15.50 | batrick | zzz |
| 07:16.23 | batrick | Good news everyone! |
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| 08:00.27 | zenzelezz | http://clientsfromhell.net/post/595185383/so-it-turns-out-you-were-right-about-me-wanting-a |
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| 09:12.34 | Fisker | trolls nevcairiel |
| 09:16.52 | Fisker | attacks zenzelezz |
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| 09:26.04 | industrial | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4VAuTQ9ukk |
| 09:26.19 | industrial | love the intro (& the rest but most people stop when they start singing..) |
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| 09:28.30 | Arrowmaster | sounds familiar |
| 09:28.58 | Arrowmaster | and if those tags are correct maybe its because they are about 30minutes away from me |
| 09:30.18 | Fisker | tags Arrowmaster |
| 09:31.47 | industrial | tags are from musicbrainz |
| 09:32.02 | industrial | errrr |
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| 09:39.06 | Fisker | robotusch |
| 09:48.00 | Wobin | industrial, I can see why |
| 09:48.06 | Wobin | cause the intro is awesome |
| 09:48.26 | Wobin | but the singing distracts from the awesome =P |
| 09:51.15 | Xinhuan | eh what mount speed is mimiron's head? |
| 09:51.25 | Zyn | 310% |
| 09:53.21 | Xinhuan | would you pay 100k for it |
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| 10:00.53 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkKDW7XR-lQ |
| 10:00.57 | industrial | Wobin: yes, yes it does. They are very rhythmic and I wub that but when I listen to metal I usually ignore the screaming for the most part. I'm also not into pig squeeling (gewgle it) and all that |
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| 10:19.27 | Grum | Xinhuan: yes i'd pay 100k for it |
| 10:19.46 | Fisker | Grum |
| 10:19.51 | Fisker | i transformed without even realizing it |
| 10:20.00 | Grum | nowai! in to what? |
| 10:20.33 | Fisker | fail |
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| 10:54.58 | nevcairiel | 100k, at 24 people .. thats not really much, needs more moneyz |
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| 11:10.47 | Fisker | hacks nevcairiel's wireless access point and makes it insecure |
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| 11:15.20 | Spejnar | and it was secure before you hacked it? |
| 11:20.33 | mikma | that's how "good" he is |
| 11:20.50 | mikma | s/"good"/troll/ |
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| 12:41.15 | harl | hallo |
| 12:42.37 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 12:43.23 | mikma | cairenn: http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/mmedia/qg/tk/r7c/183674/normal_711201451.jpg |
| 12:44.03 | zenzelezz | lol |
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| 12:51.13 | mikma | http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/m00/normal_710620032.jpg |
| 12:52.50 | mikma | heh, http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/mmedia/2g/cjf/5y1/148553/710492259.jpg |
| 12:53.41 | nevcairiel | that even works |
| 12:53.47 | mikma | aye |
| 12:54.00 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 12:54.03 | zenzelezz | it does o_O |
| 12:54.56 | teetow | hmm, can you create a category in Baggins for sellable items? |
| 12:56.50 | ZorbaBeta | teetow, vendor price > 0, possibly |
| 12:57.31 | teetow | which addon is the Vendor Price criteria found in? I only have LibFilter right now |
| 12:57.53 | teetow | ah, looks like Baggins_Auctioneer has it |
| 12:59.35 | mikma | http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/mmedia/6z/2ah/3544/38882/710080827.jpg |
| 13:00.25 | teetow | pizza scissors gets my vote. |
| 13:00.49 | davis | hello |
| 13:01.11 | zenzelezz | I'd go for the zipper headphones |
| 13:01.40 | davis | what does deadly boss mods use to display the messages in Red which appear in large font in middle of the screen? |
| 13:04.15 | Wobin | the stair drawers are just asking for a Leave Open At Night And Kill Yourself Going Downstairs |
| 13:07.30 | zenzelezz | it's probably not the right way to do things as a mage, but I'm having a lot of fun chasing down fleeing mobs and beating them to death with my staff |
| 13:10.05 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 13:10.23 | mikma | http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/m34359/709221332.jpg |
| 13:10.45 | Fisker | I can remove my password from my WiFi and there's nothing you can do to stop me |
| 13:11.16 | nevcairiel | just go ahead |
| 13:11.41 | Fisker | i wouldn't |
| 13:11.44 | nevcairiel | why would i want to remove the password from my wifi anyway? |
| 13:12.15 | Fisker | you probably wouldn't |
| 13:12.30 | Fisker | but i can always hack your wifi to remove it :3 |
| 13:12.46 | nevcairiel | have fun :) |
| 13:12.49 | teetow | hm, I see a reference to "pattern" in the Baggins docs, but not what kind of pattern it is. Regex? |
| 13:12.53 | nevcairiel | its off most of the time anyway |
| 13:12.57 | nevcairiel | only turn it on when i really need it |
| 13:13.51 | Fisker | atleast we're allowed to run hotspots ;3 |
| 13:14.09 | zenzelezz | you could've chosen a password harder to guess than "fiskerfails" |
| 13:14.17 | mikma | http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/mmedia/2z/abi/sf1s/54948/708872026.jpg amen. |
| 13:14.38 | Fisker | enjoys free wifi together with zenzelezz |
| 13:14.51 | Fisker | though of course we have our share of batshit insane stuff too |
| 13:15.34 | Fisker | that german guy who makes satire videos of censorship and copyright laws should make one about this wifi stuff |
| 13:16.29 | zenzelezz | "Hitler rages as the open wifi in his bunker is shut down"? |
| 13:17.39 | Fisker | lol |
| 13:17.44 | Fisker | not that |
| 13:17.46 | Fisker | but that would be nice |
| 13:17.54 | davis | Im looking through DBM for the code so I can try it myself, but I don't see it. I am looking for how DBM will display large red text in the middle of the screen messages. These are not raid messages because I am the only one who sees them. Any idea how they do it? |
| 13:18.04 | Fisker | one should make that |
| 13:18.20 | zenzelezz | davis: think you can just make a fontstring with a huge font |
| 13:18.38 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkmcupFx3FQ <-there it is |
| 13:18.43 | nevcairiel | there is also a special frame that does it |
| 13:18.47 | nevcairiel | forgot its name |
| 13:18.54 | nevcairiel | used by the blizzard boss warnings |
| 13:18.57 | nevcairiel | and boss emotes |
| 13:18.59 | davis | zenzelezz: thanks |
| 13:19.09 | davis | nevcairiel: thanks |
| 13:19.35 | davis | i have some blizzard ui add-ons. i should look in there? |
| 13:20.43 | mikma | http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/mmedia/2z/abi/sf1s/54948/708312025.jpg <- wobin, get that for your tea |
| 13:21.12 | Wobin | mikma, awesome |
| 13:22.55 | mikma | let's see if they have some on sale |
| 13:23.03 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 13:23.10 | Fisker | make a downfall parody for me |
| 13:25.46 | zenzelezz | davis: try something like RaidNotice_AddMessage(RaidBossEmoteFrame, "your text", { ["r"] = 1, ["g"] = 0.5, ["b"] = 0 }) |
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| 13:29.36 | mikma | http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/mmedia/kx/7ob/9aj1/268182/707821519.jpg |
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| 13:48.10 | davis | zenzelezz: thanks. I just saw that |
| 13:48.27 | davis | while I was gone, I found some fo the frame stuff you guys talked about. |
| 13:48.47 | davis | i did a create frame dialog and then a font |
| 13:48.53 | davis | and button to close it |
| 13:49.09 | davis | not quite what i wanted but it does put up some text |
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| 13:49.30 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 13:49.32 | davis | i figure I would have to maintain a timer and close it later |
| 13:49.39 | davis | but let me try your code first. |
| 13:49.40 | davis | brb |
| 13:50.26 | davis | zenzelezz: that is perfect man |
| 13:50.29 | davis | many thanks |
| 13:50.40 | davis | it auto fades, perfect |
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| 14:06.52 | Fisker | bitchduck |
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| 14:17.13 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jnCcejkpjg << I don't remember the original song being that long :/ |
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| 14:31.22 | davis | hmm |
| 14:31.49 | davis | dont know how to differentiate between an aura starting and ending. |
| 14:32.45 | A-KO | pretty sure that's in the combat log |
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| 14:59.39 | Wobin | foxlit, ... I have no words |
| 14:59.58 | foxlit | May I suggest "Pants!" |
| 14:59.59 | foxlit | ? |
| 15:00.17 | Wobin | I'm impressed he can sing in that voice =P |
| 15:02.20 | Wobin | of course, having utterly -no- idea of the original concept, it's just a very weird song |
| 15:04.16 | foxlit | So is the original, really. |
| 15:04.53 | Wobin | this is true |
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| 15:15.06 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENTy1nAugOI&feature=watch_response <-mac users |
| 15:18.01 | olafski | is that a response to something? |
| 15:18.05 | olafski | I'd like to know what he's actually saying :P |
| 15:18.54 | Fisker | yeah |
| 15:19.08 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.55 | Fisker | he's pretty stupid |
| 15:20.56 | Fisker | 1. He complains about the installer not having the entire program becaue he think it's supposed to, but obviously he's just downloading the bootstrapper, and the "update" is clearly the installation process durr |
| 15:21.11 | olafski | haha what a douche :P |
| 15:21.18 | Fisker | 2. The he complain about being unable to click the big "GET PORTAL FREE" logo on the steam site |
| 15:21.31 | cbreak | I hate online installers too for some programs |
| 15:21.37 | cbreak | makes packaging the installer a pain |
| 15:21.40 | Fisker | 3. Then he complains about Portal downloading an update after installing (Even though you can obviously see it's the install still downloading) |
| 15:21.58 | zenzelezz | cbreak: yeah, I always look for a redistributable version |
| 15:22.06 | Fisker | Then lastly his computer is shit and isn't supported, so he complains when it crashes due to likely overheating |
| 15:26.33 | olafski | what computer? |
| 15:26.35 | olafski | I thought he said he uses a mac |
| 15:28.19 | Fisker | macs are computers |
| 15:28.29 | olafski | sort of :P |
| 15:28.49 | Wobin | they're for people who like black box computing =) |
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| 15:31.02 | Lunessa | STATION |
| 15:33.15 | zenzelezz | orly? |
| 15:34.35 | Lunessa | yarly |
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| 15:40.40 | mikma | norly. |
| 15:44.05 | Adys | nevcairiel: are you planning to do an auctionbar for quartz? |
| 15:46.26 | Fisker | not "sort of" really olafski |
| 15:46.40 | Fisker | other than they use EFI more commonly than a standard BIOS system |
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| 15:50.25 | Shirik | woah woah woah |
| 15:50.25 | Shirik | hold up |
| 15:50.30 | Shirik | Fisker is talking intelligently? |
| 15:50.30 | Fisker | hold the fuck up Shirik ? |
| 15:50.53 | Fisker | i just learned something new today |
| 15:51.27 | Fisker | An application "phoning home" (i.e. doing tasks to ensure it's operation) is malware if it doesn't tell you and require your consent |
| 15:51.33 | nevcairiel | Adys: auctionbar? wtf is that? |
| 15:51.35 | Fisker | Competitive gaming is dead |
| 15:51.42 | Adys | nevcairiel: when you post multiple auctions |
| 15:51.43 | Fisker | TF2: You have pressed "Mouse1" which will prompt the gameserver to simulate a shooting projectile at the desired location, do you wish to continue? [Y\n\new Aim]: |
| 15:51.45 | Adys | since 3.3 |
| 15:51.51 | Adys | .3, whatever |
| 15:51.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:52.03 | Shirik | then all auto-updating programs are malware? |
| 15:52.08 | Fisker | of course |
| 15:52.42 | Fisker | i'm growing weary of explaining people on the 2k forums about how Steam isn't Malware or Spyware |
| 15:52.43 | Shirik | Well the GPL basically says "This program is going to do whatever the fuck it feels like. Deal with it." |
| 15:53.00 | Fisker | license agreements apparently don't count Shirik |
| 15:53.09 | Shirik | huh? |
| 15:53.13 | Shirik | Where the hell else would you put it |
| 15:53.22 | Fisker | It has to be a big box each time! |
| 15:53.27 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:53.35 | Fisker | HERPTY DERPTY DOO: Imma contacting my server, ok? |
| 15:53.39 | Fisker | [Y\n]: |
| 15:53.45 | Fisker | x20000 |
| 15:54.12 | zenzelezz | I keep reading your [Y\n] as \r\n |
| 15:54.28 | Fisker | Steam is now an old text-based adventure game zenzelezz |
| 15:54.44 | Fisker | otherwise there's no other way it can continue to exist using their logic |
| 15:55.19 | Wobin | foxlit, damn you |
| 15:55.25 | Fisker | Like when they said Steam was spyware for collecting hardware surveys and purchase information for sales numbers |
| 15:55.26 | Wobin | I have Bad Romance stuck in my head now |
| 15:55.39 | foxlit | Leather pants! |
| 15:55.43 | Fisker | after spending several pages explaining them what spyware is, they just went "Well it's voluntary spyware" |
| 15:55.45 | Fisker | wat? |
| 15:56.15 | Wobin | that's like voluntary conscription =P |
| 15:56.35 | zenzelezz | Fisker: "BitTorrent - the interactive adventure" |
| 15:56.37 | Fisker | But officer it was a voluntary robbery, i just pointed a gun at their head to convince them i was right! |
| 16:01.16 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo3qfSKko_M&feature=watch_response <-even the turtlenecks thinks he's stupid |
| 16:05.30 | Lunessa | Your love is like bad medicine. |
| 16:07.26 | Fisker | You should pitch that to Lady GaGa |
| 16:07.30 | Fisker | maybe she could make a song about it |
| 16:08.29 | Lunessa | And it would be like Daft Punk, Gaga, the Black Eyed Peas and the 80s all mingled into one horrid nightmare. |
| 16:08.44 | Fisker | haha |
| 16:08.52 | Matsy | Daft Punk never matches up in a horrid nightmare :< |
| 16:08.55 | Fisker | Gerard Butler as James Bond |
| 16:09.03 | Fisker | This is Bond, JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOND |
| 16:09.20 | Fisker | *kicks Lunessa down a bottomless pit* |
| 16:09.48 | Lunessa | finally escapes Fisker's incessant blather. |
| 16:10.04 | Shirik | hey I remember the black eyed peas |
| 16:10.11 | Fisker | in the mountains? |
| 16:10.55 | Shirik | awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucRzVGSgCgs |
| 16:11.50 | Lunessa | .. AUTO-TUNED INSANITY |
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| 16:18.54 | Wobin | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/ss1002.jpg |
| 16:18.57 | Wobin | omg |
| 16:22.01 | cbreak | what's that? |
| 16:23.42 | Fisker | WoW for the Wii |
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| 16:26.25 | zenzelezz | nah, you know it can't be |
| 16:26.31 | zenzelezz | the Wii doesn't have such high resolution |
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| 16:35.58 | foxlit | starhorse's wings cast no shadow :( |
| 16:45.54 | `-FISKER_Q | it's a high-res shot from the dolphin emulator zenzelezz |
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| 16:52.10 | zenzelezz | is it normal for a level 80 rogue to still use (both) Warglaives? |
| 16:52.45 | Lunessa | Not, normal. But cool. |
| 16:52.57 | zenzelezz | in looks, no doubt |
| 16:54.19 | ZorbaBeta | it's reasonable if they don't have access to anything better |
| 16:54.44 | ZorbaBeta | they are *very* good weapons. |
| 16:54.50 | zenzelezz | if he has the Kingslayer title, does he have access to better? (I don't know rogue gear) |
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| 16:55.15 | ZorbaBeta | if he has Kingslayer *and* Warglaives, then he will probably do more DPS sneezing than you will fully buffed. |
| 16:55.28 | ZorbaBeta | basically he's using the warglaives because they're awesome. and yes, in serious raids, has something better. |
| 16:55.38 | zenzelezz | I'm a protection warrior, so everyone does more DPS than I do |
| 16:56.38 | Spejnar | then you are doing it wrong |
| 16:57.06 | Spejnar | or are playing only with non-retards |
| 16:57.07 | ZorbaBeta | if you're in a 5-man, he could probably out-DPS the rest of the party put together. Seriously, he's just having fun, don't worry 'bout it. |
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| 16:57.30 | Spejnar | Im so bored I usually ignore threat or FD in heroics. Its fun to see how long it takes to steal aggro with SS spam |
| 16:57.30 | zenzelezz | Spejnar: my statements always assume playing with people who know what they are doing; not PUGs |
| 16:58.05 | Spejnar | zenzelezz: well random hc is usually not like that :( |
| 16:58.25 | Spejnar | but if you mean raids, then get reckoning and a 2h.. oh wait, wrong class ;) |
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| 17:00.50 | Gintaro | rofl |
| 17:01.12 | Gintaro | I have a file on my ntfs partition that I can't rename/play/access/whatever |
| 17:01.21 | Gintaro | since there's a ? in it's name |
| 17:02.11 | Cloudwolf | Any one here savvy in computer building? |
| 17:02.26 | zenzelezz | mount it from a linux computer, or get Microsoft's unix tools |
| 17:02.40 | Wobin | get a linux liveCD |
| 17:02.53 | Wobin | boot from that and mount the ntfs and edit the file |
| 17:03.37 | foxlit | What the heck is RailWorks, and why do they charge such exorbitant prices for seemingly worthless content? |
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| 17:04.42 | Cloudwolf | Isn't railworks a train simulator game? |
| 17:04.51 | Cloudwolf | and because thats all that company makes... |
| 17:05.36 | foxlit | Do people actually buy it at those prices, I wonder. |
| 17:05.49 | Cloudwolf | i have no idea |
| 17:05.54 | Wobin | http://videosift.com/video/Ninja-cat-steals-pens?fromdupe=Surprise-Kitten-Pen-Attack |
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| 17:06.16 | Thunder_Child | Fisker does |
| 17:06.37 | Cloudwolf | Ok any way what is the worst to expect if my power supply can only produce around 380W and the video card im looking at suggests a minimum of 450wats for system power |
| 17:07.06 | ZorbaBeta | cloud, random unexpected system failures, bluescreens, and data corruption |
| 17:07.11 | Fisker | i would never Thunder_Child |
| 17:07.16 | Thunder_Child | lies Fisker |
| 17:07.17 | ZorbaBeta | also, drastically reduced hardware lifetime. |
| 17:07.17 | A-KO | Cloudwolf: typically they quote the power supply value you would purchase, not the power supply the card actually needs. |
| 17:07.26 | Fisker | no! |
| 17:07.32 | ZorbaBeta | That said, depending on the actual hardware needs, and hardware quality, you might be fine. |
| 17:07.37 | ZorbaBeta | But that's the worst to expect if you're not. |
| 17:07.50 | A-KO | ZorbaBeta: but the video card vendors quote the PSU numbers, not the actual power requirements. |
| 17:07.50 | Wobin | also, don't put two monitors on it =) |
| 17:07.59 | teetow | this is really weird. I'm still stuck on trying to create a "sellable" bag category, I'm currently mucking about with ArkInventory |
| 17:08.01 | ZorbaBeta | a-ko, true |
| 17:08.09 | Fisker | I'm running 30 harddrives and i can't use my graphics card with my 450W PSU :( |
| 17:08.11 | ZorbaBeta | but then again, a lot of PSUs are also woefully underpowered for their claims |
| 17:08.12 | Cloudwolf | im looking intot his card |
| 17:08.13 | Cloudwolf | http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9800_gtx_plus_us.html |
| 17:08.18 | Bruners | Thunder_Child: what is this slandering of Fisker? |
| 17:08.23 | teetow | no matter what I'm trying, I can't seem to catch the "Sell Price: " string in the tooltip |
| 17:08.25 | Cloudwolf | unfortuantly i can't find you the powersupply im using i think its been discontinued heh |
| 17:08.25 | A-KO | Cloudwolf: if your PSU is pushing 380W of power, you should be more than fine for that card |
| 17:08.26 | teetow | what am I missing? |
| 17:08.39 | A-KO | Cloudwolf: at a 450W PSU with 80% efficiency that's pushing 360W of power max |
| 17:08.40 | Thunder_Child | Bruners: no slandering, just stating that he likes/buys the railworks |
| 17:08.47 | Wobin | teetow, the order of the filters? |
| 17:08.51 | Wobin | maybe? |
| 17:08.54 | teetow | hmm |
| 17:08.56 | teetow | I only have one |
| 17:09.08 | A-KO | so if your PSU is pushing 380W, you won't have issues |
| 17:09.14 | Wobin | maybe the tooltip is added by another addon |
| 17:09.23 | Wobin | and it's getting filtered before the other addon gets ahold of it |
| 17:09.25 | Wobin | or something =P |
| 17:09.26 | Cloudwolf | A-ko i don't know what my ps is pushing its says its suppopsed to push 380W |
| 17:09.32 | A-KO | oh |
| 17:09.36 | Cloudwolf | but i have no idea how to check what its pushing |
| 17:09.37 | A-KO | the max # on it says 380? |
| 17:09.37 | teetow | Wobin: doesn't the vanilla tooltip include sell price? O.o |
| 17:09.39 | A-KO | that won't work then |
| 17:09.48 | Cloudwolf | correct max says 380 |
| 17:09.49 | A-KO | I'd upgrade before getting that video card |
| 17:09.51 | ZorbaBeta | it *might* work . . . but I'd be skeptical. I would upgrade, if I were you. |
| 17:09.57 | Wobin | teetow, I woudn't know =) I've not run vanilla for a -very- long time =) |
| 17:10.02 | teetow | me neither |
| 17:10.03 | A-KO | I've got a 650W in mine |
| 17:10.04 | teetow | I just kinda assumed |
| 17:10.07 | Wobin | give it a go |
| 17:10.28 | A-KO | sigh |
| 17:10.32 | A-KO | I was going to do all sorts of cleaning and shit today |
| 17:10.37 | A-KO | but my arms hurt too much from working out |
| 17:10.41 | A-KO | so I don't really feel like it |
| 17:10.46 | Cloudwolf | let me go find you my computers specs because i was thinking of just building a new one >.> because of the snowball effect ... |
| 17:10.58 | Wobin | A-KO, wuss |
| 17:11.18 | Wobin | if your arms hurt, you need to do more! =) |
| 17:11.24 | Wobin | Don't be soft! Wield that mop! |
| 17:11.28 | A-KO | I can barely move 'em |
| 17:11.37 | A-KO | tricep muscles are.....used quite a bit...apparently |
| 17:11.51 | foxlit | I thought they had a 2x0 equivalent to a 9800gtx+ already |
| 17:13.18 | teetow | Wobin: it's still there, and it won't catch it even if I only have AI loaded. |
| 17:13.19 | teetow | meh. |
| 17:13.42 | Cloudwolf | :D ive been randomly selected for sc2 beta yay |
| 17:14.45 | Cloudwolf | ako heres all that im realy sure about in my system nvidia 7600 gs (old crappy) and a 2.13 ghz dual core processor |
| 17:15.06 | Wobin | http://retrospec.sgn.net/game/kl |
| 17:15.09 | Wobin | woo classic |
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| 17:17.13 | Thunder_Child | omg you have a 7600 gs! |
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| 17:22.26 | zenzelezz | so me, at 39, and a warrior, at 35, are doing Kurzen in Stranglethorn. On our way down, a 48 mage blasts past us, kills Kurzen... and then lingers. After a while, his pal, a 32 or something rogue shows up, clearly having been too far away to loot |
| 17:22.52 | zenzelezz | instead of offering to team up, the others stand around /laugh-ing and casting Blizzard, Flamestrike, etc |
| 17:23.09 | zenzelezz | they kill the Subchief respawns as they come |
| 17:23.26 | zenzelezz | but I decide to just stay quiet... keeping my finger firmly on Cone of Cold |
| 17:23.40 | zenzelezz | so we tag him and kill him, then /laugh at the other two, and they go QQing |
| 17:23.41 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
| 17:23.56 | Lunessa | Asshat-defeating Win! |
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| 17:24.45 | Cloudwolf | hey thunder child i infact have 2 of them |
| 17:24.57 | Cloudwolf | not even running sli because they can't support 2 monitors while running sli lol |
| 17:25.28 | Fisker | jerk zenzelezz |
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| 17:26.16 | zenzelezz | yeah, sorry you had to wait for another respawn Fisker :( |
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| 17:26.34 | Cide | hi |
| 17:26.57 | Lopeppeppy | Morning! |
| 17:27.00 | Thunder_Child | Cloudwolf: it was a joke on gearscore |
| 17:27.11 | Thunder_Child | obviously flat |
| 17:27.32 | Cloudwolf | obviously i didn't get it :D |
| 17:27.39 | Lopeppeppy | has the happy! |
| 17:27.42 | Cloudwolf | I try to steer clear of gearscore |
| 17:27.53 | Cloudwolf | hi lopeppeppy why so happy? |
| 17:28.03 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: shaer |
| 17:28.10 | Lopeppeppy | I... did girly things... which is totally odd for me to enjoy. |
| 17:28.59 | Gintaro | Fuck you windows and your backwards compatibility! |
| 17:29.13 | Lopeppeppy | With a chainsaw! |
| 17:29.22 | Gintaro | A rusty one! |
| 17:30.06 | Gintaro | battleing(sp?) |
| 17:30.07 | batbot | Gintaro, battling. |
| 17:30.10 | Gintaro | Ahaa! |
| 17:30.13 | Gintaro | I was correct |
| 17:30.51 | Gintaro | So, anyone know a posix application that can rename files on windows? |
| 17:31.37 | Cloudwolf | a-ko i have a hard decision now. Do i buy a new PS and the gcard im looking into because for 7 days its 55$ off at fry's electronics or do i just say forget it >.< |
| 17:31.39 | Lopeppeppy | Now where's alestane, damn his eyes? |
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| 17:35.53 | Cide | hm so |
| 17:36.08 | Cide | I'm running my linux partition for like the second time |
| 17:36.18 | Cide | but now it the greeter application is crashing |
| 17:36.22 | Cide | how do I fix this? |
| 17:36.41 | Cide | running in console mode right now |
| 17:38.12 | Cide | gee, thanks adys |
| 17:41.30 | Cide | brb |
| 17:41.48 | Lopeppeppy | COGWHEEL! |
| 17:41.54 | cogwheel | Ohai! |
| 17:42.12 | cogwheel | absorbs some of Lopeppeppy's leaking happiness |
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| 17:43.47 | cogwheel | fill my eyes with that double vision |
| 17:43.53 | cogwheel | ~poke Cide- |
| 17:43.54 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cide-, pokes Cide- repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 17:44.37 | Cide- | huh? |
| 17:44.50 | Cide- | missed anything you ay have said |
| 17:45.22 | Cide- | may have said too |
| 17:45.37 | cogwheel | points at Cide |
| 17:45.53 | Cide- | ^ |
| 17:46.00 | cogwheel | 10:41 <+Cide> brb |
| 17:46.00 | cogwheel | 10:41 <+Lopeppeppy> COGWHEEL! |
| 17:46.00 | cogwheel | 10:41 < cogwheel> Ohai! |
| 17:46.00 | cogwheel | 10:42 * cogwheel absorbs some of Lopeppeppy's leaking happiness |
| 17:46.00 | cogwheel | 10:43 -!- Cide- [~Andre@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se] has joined #wowuidev |
| 17:46.12 | Cide- | ah |
| 17:46.21 | Cide- | no clue how to fix this crap |
| 17:46.31 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.32 | cogwheel | iirc |
| 17:46.52 | Matsy | indeed |
| 17:46.54 | Cide- | ... |
| 17:46.55 | Cide- | what? |
| 17:46.58 | Matsy | /msg nickserv ghost nick password |
| 17:47.03 | Lunessa | cogwheel: No disguise, for your double vision? |
| 17:47.07 | Cide- | did you not see what I wrote frrom Cide? |
| 17:47.11 | Lopeppeppy | He can't disguise himself from me. |
| 17:47.13 | cogwheel | no... |
| 17:47.15 | Cide- | oh |
| 17:47.18 | Cide- | that explains a bit |
| 17:47.20 | Matsy | oh |
| 17:47.23 | Matsy | I just... |
| 17:47.27 | Matsy | followed cogwheel:( |
| 17:47.33 | Cide- | so I booted up debian for like the second time |
| 17:47.49 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 17:48.01 | Matsy | okay |
| 17:48.03 | Cide- | and after messing around with the ati drivers (because of massive window lag) it now says the greeter is crashing |
| 17:48.05 | Matsy | That's evil already |
| 17:48.22 | cogwheel | scratches his head |
| 17:48.22 | Matsy | There are two major issues there |
| 17:48.25 | Matsy | Linux. |
| 17:48.28 | Matsy | ATI |
| 17:48.42 | Matsy | They don't match up too well together either ;p |
| 17:48.44 | Cide- | not much I can do about my graphics card |
| 17:48.47 | cbreak | ati got bought by intel. |
| 17:48.50 | cbreak | I think? |
| 17:48.51 | Matsy | wow |
| 17:48.52 | Matsy | no |
| 17:48.53 | cbreak | no, ambd |
| 17:48.53 | Kalroth | .. |
| 17:48.53 | Cide- | no, by amd |
| 17:48.54 | Matsy | AMD |
| 17:49.06 | cbreak | guess they fit together |
| 17:49.09 | Matsy | Their processors are as bad as their graphics card then :') |
| 17:49.12 | Matsy | But |
| 17:49.15 | Matsy | That won't fix your problem |
| 17:49.19 | Matsy | Cide-, what does it say exactly? |
| 17:49.51 | Cide- | when booting up, I just get "The greeter application has crashed. Click OK to try a new one" |
| 17:50.02 | Cide- | and then the greeter restarts and same thing shows up |
| 17:50.04 | Dagmar | Shoot the video card |
| 17:50.11 | Cide- | after ~6 attempts it puts me in console mode |
| 17:50.16 | Dagmar | ATI drivers are hateful |
| 17:50.31 | Cide- | everything was working fine until I did ctrl+alt+backspace to restart it once |
| 17:50.38 | Cide- | well, fine other than the massive window lag |
| 17:50.41 | Matsy | How does your gdm.conf look? |
| 17:50.53 | Dagmar | It's more likely that the X driver is screwing up |
| 17:50.56 | Cide- | I haven't personally touched it |
| 17:51.03 | Matsy | No, but updates could touch it |
| 17:51.04 | Cide- | I looked at the Xorg log |
| 17:51.06 | Dagmar | Unless he's been changing it, the gdm.conf isn't likely to be the source of anything |
| 17:51.13 | Cide- | it had some error that DRI couldn't be initialized |
| 17:51.15 | Matsy | Dagmar, the gdm.conf is always the source of these problems |
| 17:51.24 | Matsy | Or at least 99% of the time ;o |
| 17:51.27 | Cide- | gdm.conf has nothing in it |
| 17:51.28 | Dagmar | Matsy: Good luck with believing that |
| 17:51.33 | Cide- | besides empty [foo]'s |
| 17:51.47 | Matsy | Dagmar: It's all what google says, apparently :( |
| 17:51.53 | Dagmar | Cide: If you just did updates that involved a change to a few of the video-related packages, you'll probably wanna reboot. ;) |
| 17:52.10 | Matsy | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190310&highlight=greeter+application+crash&page=2 |
| 17:52.33 | Cide- | Dagmar, I tried rebooting after this started happening |
| 17:52.38 | Dagmar | ouch |
| 17:52.40 | Cide- | but no luck |
| 17:52.50 | Matsy | Then again, I don't know anything about debian or linux :( |
| 17:53.49 | Cide- | DRI initialization on primary scren failed. |
| 17:54.20 | Dagmar | Check the output of dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it's carping about |
| 17:54.20 | Cairenn | mikma: lol |
| 17:54.55 | Dagmar | The dmesg buffer will probably have something rather explicit to say about it |
| 17:55.34 | Cide- | the above was the most apparent error from Xorg.0.log |
| 17:55.39 | Cide- | "DRI initialization on primary scren failed." |
| 17:56.20 | Cide- | "DRI initialization on primary scren failed. (maybe driver kernal module missing or bad) " |
| 17:56.48 | Matsy | 'a complete reinstall of the catalyst driver helped:' |
| 17:57.02 | Matsy | I'm going to stop googling these errors :( |
| 17:57.12 | Cide- | now to figure out how to remove the catalyst driver |
| 17:57.26 | Dagmar | Cide: This is why you check what the kernel is saying by running `dmesg` from a console/xterm |
| 17:57.45 | Cide- | gdmgreeter[4559 |
| 17:57.47 | Cide- | er |
| 17:57.52 | Cide- | gdmgreeter[4559]: segfault at blah |
| 17:57.58 | Dagmar | Yeah that's to be expected |
| 17:58.12 | Cide- | what am I looking for? there's a lot of crap in here |
| 17:58.26 | Dagmar | ...but there's *supposed* to be some lines in there about the DRI module being initialized |
| 17:58.31 | Dagmar | ...in both of those logs actually. |
| 17:58.43 | Dagmar | ...and yeah I agree it's a lot of crap to wade through. |
| 17:58.53 | Cide- | grepping dmesg for DRI turns up nothing |
| 17:59.14 | Dagmar | Yeah that might well explain some s**t then |
| 17:59.17 | Dagmar | heh |
| 17:59.31 | Dagmar | Betcha lsmod shows that no such module loaded |
| 18:00.32 | Cide- | what am I looking for in lsmod? stuf about DRI? |
| 18:01.24 | Cide- | can't find anything in any case |
| 18:01.30 | Dagmar | Yeah basically the dri kernel module. If it didn't load you are dead in the water. |
| 18:01.31 | airtonix | btw, how ddid you install the ati drivers ? |
| 18:02.23 | Dagmar | There's basically two parts to the thing. The first part is the dri module that loads into the kernel and gets the Xorg piece direct hardware access. The other half is the Xorg driver for ATI cards, which is also kinda a sketchy piece of work |
| 18:02.53 | Cide- | airtonix, I downloaded them from ati's site (proprietary) and ran them according to instructions |
| 18:03.01 | Cide- | (sudo sh foo.run) |
| 18:03.05 | airtonix | Cide-, which distro are you using ? |
| 18:03.09 | Cide- | debian, lenny |
| 18:03.35 | airtonix | Cide-, check out to see if envy is provided for you then |
| 18:04.23 | airtonix | Dagmar, does debian provide something like ubuntus ppa ? |
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| 18:05.02 | Gintaro | Hah! Screw you windows! |
| 18:05.07 | Gintaro | Victory is mine! |
| 18:05.16 | airtonix | <the door closes> |
| 18:05.27 | Dagmar | airtonix: ppa? |
| 18:05.30 | airtonix | now you must conqouer the door |
| 18:05.42 | Gintaro | Ah, now I get it |
| 18:05.55 | Dagmar | airtonix: I'm not familiar with what they're doing internally with their packages *at all* yet |
| 18:06.00 | airtonix | Dagmar, yeah it stands for personal package archive. its run from launchpad.net |
| 18:06.23 | Dagmar | Cide: Okay so like here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver it shows some bits about checking for the drm module in dmesg output |
| 18:06.45 | airtonix | Dagmar, so far from what i can work out is : its a development hosting service that auto builds a valid apt repo |
| 18:06.56 | Dagmar | It *sounds* like it does something else entirely, but if at some point you kicked a "DRM package" to the curb, it would explain a lot |
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| 18:07.21 | Dagmar | airtonix: Well, I know Debian has craploads of repos that are auto-populated. They're who Ubuntu got the technology from |
| 18:07.36 | Dagmar | Ubuntu just made an effort to dress it up so it didn't look an eyesore |
| 18:07.37 | airtonix | Dagmar, maybe there is one for ati drivers then |
| 18:07.57 | airtonix | Dagmar, i use the nvidia ppa so i dont have to manually do it every kernel update |
| 18:08.24 | Dagmar | airtonix: I somewhat agree that there is likely a Debian repo somewhere with all the ATI driver bits someone's updating |
| 18:08.25 | Adys | Teomyr: hi quoteguy |
| 18:08.26 | airtonix | i also have Dynamic Kernel Module System (dkms) running |
| 18:08.28 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 18:08.29 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 18:08.39 | Adys | lookit |
| 18:08.41 | Adys | not updated. |
| 18:10.02 | Teomyr | trying to get your ego quotes in again, aren't you |
| 18:10.21 | Adys | I've been trying really hard not to say anything funny in this channel for the past weeks |
| 18:10.29 | Adys | now |
| 18:10.30 | airtonix | Dagmar, Cide- i assume you've already gone through testing the fglrx drivers ? |
| 18:10.30 | Adys | check gtalk |
| 18:10.43 | Dagmar | Dunno. I Just logged in like 10 minutes ago |
| 18:10.44 | Cide- | airtonix, hm? |
| 18:10.50 | Dagmar | I've not even seen his dmesg dump or anything |
| 18:10.55 | airtonix | Cide-, http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 18:11.25 | Dagmar | The driver "just works" under Ubuntu, and under Slackware I just buy a fucking nVidia card and get on with life |
| 18:11.37 | airtonix | ^ |
| 18:12.01 | Dagmar | The four times I've had to manually make that thing go, two of the times I had no idea *why* it suddenly started working, or why it didn't work at first |
| 18:12.09 | airtonix | sick people at AMD, certifiable |
| 18:12.33 | Dagmar | Don't blame AMD, they just bought ATI they didn't create them |
| 18:12.59 | Dagmar | Cide: Oh yes follow aitronix's page |
| 18:13.12 | Cide- | on it |
| 18:13.56 | Lunessa | OK, totally going to risk a soaking for tacos. Back in 20. |
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| 18:16.57 | Adys | is on fire |
| 18:17.03 | Adys | structure subclassing, oh yes |
| 18:17.45 | Cide- | so, how much crap can I remove from xorg.conf? |
| 18:17.56 | Cide- | like stuff about keyboard etc |
| 18:18.08 | Dagmar | Most of it, but I wouldn't unless I knew *exactly* what it's doing |
| 18:18.20 | Cide- | alright |
| 18:18.33 | Cide- | well, this stuff already contains the config for the ati proprietary driver |
| 18:18.34 | Adys | yeah what Dagmar said, usually it falls back to decent defaults |
| 18:18.46 | Cide- | and there are 3 sections for "Screen" |
| 18:18.55 | Dagmar | If you've got "the usual" like a USB keyboard and mouse and your video card is VESA 2.0 compliant you can generally get away with NO xorg.conf because it'll auto-probe everything |
| 18:18.56 | Cide- | can I just delete them and take the one from the page airtonix linked? |
| 18:19.16 | Dagmar | If you wanna be a windows user about it, sure |
| 18:19.54 | Dagmar | The *IMPORTANT* bits you wanna pay attention to are in bullet point #5 under Lenny on that page |
| 18:20.17 | Cide- | yeah, true |
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| 18:20.26 | Dagmar | The little stanza with Identifier "ATI" needs to be there and two other sections |
| 18:21.36 | Cide- | well, there are two sections for "Device", one for each monitor |
| 18:21.40 | Dagmar | There's a DRM stanza that needs to be in there (not showing on that page) and a permissions stanza that goes with it (something with 066) |
| 18:21.42 | Cide- | I can't have both using the same identifier? |
| 18:21.51 | Dagmar | You don't want that |
| 18:21.52 | Dagmar | heh |
| 18:21.56 | Cide- | figured as much |
| 18:22.10 | Dagmar | You *really* want X to understand you have two separate displays |
| 18:22.39 | Cide- | well, must the identifier be ATI? |
| 18:22.44 | Cide- | or can it be something else |
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| 18:23.27 | Dagmar | It could be "Steve" for all it cares if it's the line I *hope* you're talking about |
| 18:23.28 | Cide- | since it's already sensibly configured besides that |
| 18:24.10 | Dagmar | This is somewhat old but http://rtr.ca/dell_i9300/xorg.conf down at the very bottom is the DRI stanza that I'm pretty sure is one of the two pieces that must be present in the xorg.conf |
| 18:25.02 | Dagmar | In the Device subsections, autogenned configurations tend to have really generic names, but you can change these to something more descriptive so long as you remember to change them both where they are defined and where they are later USED |
| 18:25.58 | Dagmar | Like, if you rename the identifier for hte video card driver from ATI to "My piece of crap card" you have to also be sure to catch it again in the Screen section where it's referenced to show what video card goes with what screen |
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| 18:28.13 | Cide- | hmm |
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| 18:30.38 | Cide- | starting the X server now gets me "(Warning) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance(BusID PCI:5:0:0) found" |
| 18:30.46 | Cide- | and "(Error) No devices detected." |
| 18:30.54 | Cide- | Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 18:31.12 | Dagmar | You didn't cut and paste someone's whole driver section did you? |
| 18:31.25 | Cide- | no |
| 18:31.38 | Cide- | I used my existing one configured by the ati proprietary driver |
| 18:32.37 | Cide- | also note that it didn't have a DRI section |
| 18:32.40 | Cide- | but I added that |
| 18:33.41 | Dagmar | How about you just stop talking until you have something productive or useful to say |
| 18:33.43 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 18:34.49 | Thunder_Child | no no Dagmar, that sounds about right, i mean Cide- is talking |
| 18:34.49 | Dagmar | Cide: Can you just pastebin the whole xorg.conf you're using? |
| 18:35.03 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Nah there's a guy in another channel I am about to bk |
| 18:35.06 | Cide- | hmm |
| 18:35.13 | Cide- | gotta figure out the easiest way to do that from command line |
| 18:36.17 | cbreak | I heard from some linux person that there's an app where you can pipe data to and it posts it on pastebin |
| 18:37.09 | Dagmar | http://www.stgraber.org/category/pastebinit |
| 18:37.31 | Dagmar | Apparently this is now in Debian |
| 18:37.34 | Cide- | http://www.nada.kth.se/~andre8/xorg.conf |
| 18:37.35 | cbreak | http://github.com/oremj/pastebinit/ |
| 18:37.40 | Dagmar | ...and may have been since um, 2008 |
| 18:40.19 | Dagmar | Cide: The serverlayout section generally has um, a keyboard and mouse mentioned |
| 18:40.36 | Cide- | pretty sure that's irrelevant to my error though |
| 18:41.03 | Dagmar | I dunno why it didn't also carp about it, but yeah |
| 18:41.11 | Dagmar | I'm just going through it looking for the loose end |
| 18:41.57 | Cide- | added though |
| 18:42.28 | Cide- | so once I edit the xorg.conf, do I just run "X" and it will work if it works? |
| 18:42.33 | Cide- | or is the procedure different from that? |
| 18:42.44 | Dagmar | it's `startx` actually |
| 18:42.52 | Cide- | oh, well yeah |
| 18:43.01 | Cide- | startx produces identical output |
| 18:43.05 | Dagmar | yeah once we've ferreted out the issue it should "just work" |
| 18:43.07 | Cide- | except it also connects to the server |
| 18:43.15 | Dagmar | I'm cloning this to pastebin so I can scribble on it |
| 18:45.19 | Cide- | hey |
| 18:45.26 | Cide- | I did dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:45.28 | Cide- | and now it works |
| 18:45.36 | Cide- | maybe I can properly edit it now |
| 18:50.28 | Lunessa | Bones Theme (Squint Mix) by The Crystal Method FUCKING ROCKS |
| 18:52.10 | Dagmar | Cide-: Still don't know why it was carping about BusID *5* |
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| 18:52.32 | Cide- | well my graphics card has two cores so maybe they have different busid's? |
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| 18:52.47 | Dagmar | ...unles it's just *that* touchy about not having a screen number defined |
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| 18:53.04 | Cide- | heh, so |
| 18:53.16 | Cide- | I took the default debian config that works |
| 18:53.22 | Dagmar | xorg.conf is not really a place to go quite that minimalistci |
| 18:53.32 | Cide- | and added Driver "fglrx" to the video device section |
| 18:53.37 | Cide- | and now it crashes again, same error |
| 18:54.07 | Dagmar | Add the DRI section to the end and then let's go investigate WTF is up with the kernel driver |
| 18:54.21 | Dagmar | I assume by "same error" you mean X comes up and bails |
| 18:54.34 | Cide- | yes |
| 18:54.38 | Cide- | no devices detected etc |
| 18:54.59 | Dagmar | How ar eyou adding fglrx to the device section? |
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| 18:55.15 | Cide- | just a new line, Driver\t"fglrx" |
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| 18:56.26 | Dagmar | ....and all you did was change the driver to fglrx? |
| 18:56.50 | Cide- | yes |
| 18:57.00 | Cide- | hm |
| 18:57.03 | Cide- | I ran this again |
| 18:57.15 | Cide- | aptitude install fglrx-modules-2.6-$(uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver |
| 18:57.18 | Cide- | and I get |
| 18:57.30 | Cide- | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "fglrx-modules-2.6-amd64" |
| 18:57.36 | Cide- | so that package didn't get installed |
| 18:57.47 | Dagmar | Yes you'll likely need a kernel module |
| 18:58.19 | Dagmar | ...and three things in the Modules section of xorg.conf, as seen at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx |
| 18:58.35 | Dagmar | The first two are generally present in almost any xorg.conf. |
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| 18:59.18 | Dagmar | GLCore and glx will be there for people with crap cards using Mesa for rendering--the dri module is something you definitely have to add in yerself unless something's changed from the last time I beat on it |
| 18:59.55 | Cide- | so I should add a Section "Module" with the Load stuff? |
| 19:00.15 | Cide- | since there is no Module section present at all in my conf |
| 19:01.25 | Dagmar | That would likely help, but you're still going to have to get the kernel module loading or ther'es little point |
| 19:01.45 | Lopeppeppy | He thinks I'm cute! I'm cuuuuuuuute! |
| 19:02.34 | Dagmar | Cide: Without the kernel module part of that, nothing's gonna work |
| 19:04.30 | Cide- | so what is it that I need? fglrx-modules? |
| 19:05.08 | cogwheel | are there still only 120 general purpose action slots |
| 19:05.12 | cogwheel | ? |
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| 19:05.47 | alestane | As far as I know, cogwheel, although shamans have a specialized 12th page. |
| 19:05.53 | Dagmar | Cide: You need the kernel module part of that driver |
| 19:11.17 | Cide- | well, at least windows properly boots |
| 19:12.45 | Matsy | Things would be seriously messed up |
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| 19:12.49 | Matsy | if even Windows didn't boot |
| 19:13.12 | Cloudwolf | Well A-KO i found out im not upgrading this computer lol |
| 19:14.27 | Nechckn | I am assuming that the DK starting area/story will be modified for Cata, right? |
| 19:15.12 | Iriel | Why would it need to be? |
| 19:15.23 | Iriel | It occurs in the past |
| 19:15.38 | Nechckn | (I've not run through it, yet.. so was curious, with the dude being dead and all) |
| 19:15.44 | cybermind | i think he means for goblins and worgens |
| 19:15.58 | cybermind | either way, they wont change anything past the dark portal |
| 19:16.00 | Nechckn | Did not know about it being in the past, that is cool, though. Makes sense, Iriel |
| 19:16.01 | Zyn | the DK starting area will only have goblin and worgen NPC's added, for that crucial quest where you execute an NPC of your race |
| 19:16.35 | Iriel | At least, i've always assumed it's in the past, given all of the 'notable NPC's that show up |
| 19:16.46 | Iriel | Zyn: Ah yes, that'd make sense |
| 19:16.54 | Iriel | The worgen will need a puppy to kill |
| 19:16.59 | Lunessa | There will be some changes to the DK starting area, I'm sure. |
| 19:17.00 | cybermind | yeah it happens between "defeating" the burning legion in outland |
| 19:17.10 | Nechckn | Reason I was wondering was if I should make a DK to run through now or if I wated, if it would still be the same is all. |
| 19:17.11 | cybermind | and before the journey to northrend |
| 19:17.14 | Iriel | Though I think it'd be more traumatic for a goblin to kill a CUSTOMER rather than another goblin |
| 19:17.22 | cybermind | lol |
| 19:17.29 | Nechckn | Lol, now that is a good point, Iriel =) |
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| 19:17.43 | Matsy | Gotta hope the goblins bring good Engineering schematics :) |
| 19:17.57 | Lunessa | I think they say race changes to new races won't be possible right away. |
| 19:18.19 | Matsy | oh noes |
| 19:18.22 | Lopeppeppy | I soooo want to change Peppy to be a priestess... but I have to re-roll her. |
| 19:18.23 | Matsy | wow.com is down? :( |
| 19:18.26 | cybermind | otherwise realm first 85 <new race> will be 5 levels + $25 |
| 19:18.28 | Lunessa | So if you really want a Goblin or Worgen DK, you may need to wait. |
| 19:19.08 | Lunessa | Peppy - Do WANT gnome priestess in Cata. :) You heal me, k? |
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| 19:19.36 | Nechckn | I've always sort of not liked DKs, no real reason, but I have at least one of everything else, so I figure why not, right? |
| 19:19.37 | Zyn | I'll just RAF myself to 60 with any of the new class/races combos, np |
| 19:19.43 | cybermind | Lunessa: youll be able to make a goblin or worgen dk right away, starting at 55 |
| 19:19.50 | Seerah | I stopped levelling my druid (never transferred her to Kirin Tor, either) so I could make her a worgen |
| 19:19.55 | cybermind | and they wont be eligible for realm first 85 for goblin or worgen |
| 19:19.57 | Lunessa | Cyber, but not change your 80 to one right off. |
| 19:20.03 | cybermind | oh yeah definitely |
| 19:20.40 | Nechckn | I actually look forward to leveling, at least a goblin, in the "new" content. |
| 19:20.43 | cybermind | hopefully youll be able to pick a newly-available race for your class |
| 19:20.46 | cybermind | once the patch hits |
| 19:20.47 | Nechckn | Other than that, not so much. |
| 19:20.48 | Lunessa | Seerah, Lopeppeppy, cogwheel and other Grounding Totem members - I'm def going to be rolling at least one worgen from scratch if you want a leveling partner. :) |
| 19:21.04 | alestane | I was going to make a worgen priest on KT. |
| 19:21.06 | Seerah | you? new character? no wai |
| 19:21.08 | Seerah | :D |
| 19:21.16 | Lopeppeppy | Grooooowl! :) Do worgen have healing classes? |
| 19:21.23 | cbreak | if you create a new worgen, do the first 10 levels at least normally |
| 19:21.24 | alestane | Priest & druid. |
| 19:21.24 | Lunessa | Druid. |
| 19:21.27 | Lunessa | Preist |
| 19:21.27 | cogwheel | maybe once my gnome priest is out of dun morogh ;) |
| 19:21.29 | cbreak | the quest line is epic |
| 19:21.37 | cbreak | probably |
| 19:21.44 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak, "normally" ? |
| 19:21.50 | Nechckn | Well, it will be fun to do something new, anyway. |
| 19:21.59 | Nechckn | I like all the starting areas/back stories. |
| 19:22.05 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have a healydruid yet. |
| 19:22.11 | cbreak | without level boosting by starting as DK or recruit-a-friend |
| 19:23.06 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie, I'll remember that. First 10 levels solo! |
| 19:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | That's like... an hour, right? |
| 19:23.18 | Lunessa | I'm torn though, I might delete my NE warrior and just level as a Worgen or I could go hunter... /choices! |
| 19:23.22 | Iriel | My guess from the level and location we started at Blizzcon is the very first area will use a 'historical' area like DK's |
| 19:23.29 | Iriel | then around level 5ish you end up in the real world |
| 19:23.46 | Lopeppeppy | So kinda "phased" ish? |
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| 19:24.05 | Iriel | Dunno, maybe, or just an instance |
| 19:24.06 | Lunessa | Gotta tell the Gilneas story somehow. |
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| 19:24.36 | Iriel | Both the worgen and goblin blizzcon experiences began with you recovering from some 'event' |
| 19:24.39 | Lopeppeppy | instance makes sense. |
| 19:24.42 | Iriel | at level 5 |
| 19:24.59 | cbreak | it's more 2 or 3 hours |
| 19:25.18 | Seerah | Gilneas has been shut off from the rest of the world for a long time. |
| 19:25.24 | cbreak | at least the first 10 to 15 levels |
| 19:26.18 | Shadowed | Leaving the phased world at 5 seems a bit short |
| 19:26.30 | Shadowed | yea 10 or 15 makes more sense |
| 19:27.15 | Iriel | Yeah well, blizzcon was a while ago, who knows what the real plan is |
| 19:27.40 | cbreak | blizzard :) |
| 19:27.52 | Iriel | good point |
| 19:27.55 | Iriel | and lucky alpha members |
| 19:28.05 | cbreak | they know how it is now |
| 19:28.28 | Thunder_Child | which isnt saying much |
| 19:28.30 | cbreak | but from what I heard, alpha doesn't even have new talents :( |
| 19:28.47 | cbreak | probably sprinkled with placeholders if it was like the previous two alphas |
| 19:29.05 | Iriel | The dreaded [NYI] |
| 19:29.15 | cbreak | (I saw lots of creatures with checkerboard cubes as hats in the WotLK alpha :) |
| 19:29.48 | Iriel | LK was fairly checkerboard free, in comparison to BC |
| 19:29.56 | cbreak | true |
| 19:29.57 | Lopeppeppy | Alphas are very alpha-y, that's why they are called... alphas! |
| 19:30.17 | Lopeppeppy | Takes a certain amount of patience and persistence. |
| 19:30.27 | cbreak | and a lot of willpower |
| 19:30.32 | cbreak | damn NDAs ... |
| 19:30.36 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 19:32.01 | Dashkal | I'm just glad the wotlk beta wasn't NDA. I think I would have had to decline. No way my willpower was that strong |
| 19:32.04 | Lunessa | Chekerboard creatures rule the world. |
| 19:32.21 | Lopeppeppy | How's lunch, Lunessa? |
| 19:32.23 | Lopeppeppy | Are you dry yet? |
| 19:32.36 | Lunessa | Actually, I caught a lull in the rain. |
| 19:32.42 | cbreak | beta NDAs are not as bad as alpha NDAs |
| 19:33.06 | Thunder_Child | i dont remember blizz having a beta NDA |
| 19:33.18 | cbreak | they did at the start, for a few days at least? |
| 19:33.20 | Dashkal | I thought BC's beta was? Could be wrong |
| 19:33.27 | Dashkal | WotLK didn't have one at all |
| 19:33.29 | Shadowed | pretty sure beta didn't have a NDA |
| 19:33.34 | cbreak | they lifted the NDA some time into it |
| 19:33.41 | Dashkal | That's the one |
| 19:33.54 | Lunessa | Um, I was in WotLK alpha and beta. NDA got lifted pretty much about the middle of beta. |
| 19:34.14 | Shadowed | hrm was it? |
| 19:34.24 | Dashkal | If there was a WotLK Beta NDA, it was gone by the time I got in (with the addon devs) |
| 19:34.47 | Shadowed | Addon devs got in around mid/late beta if I remember |
| 19:34.53 | Lunessa | Dashkal: I remember when you got in, and yeah, it got lifted right before then. |
| 19:34.54 | cbreak | I am quite sure that alpha and at least part of beta were secret |
| 19:35.16 | Thunder_Child | "<Lunessa> Dashkal: I remember when you got in, and yeah, it got lifted right before then." *snicker* |
| 19:35.29 | Thunder_Child | i love out of context |
| 19:35.38 | Dashkal | snickers |
| 19:35.59 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: A dirty mind, you has one. Perv. Welcome to the club. |
| 19:36.14 | Thunder_Child | ty Lunessa, when do i get my card? |
| 19:36.30 | Dashkal | mutters about the "Disarmed!" fishing quest |
| 19:36.34 | Dashkal | Damn arm won't drop |
| 19:36.42 | Lunessa | Just as soon as you take the two required mugsho...er, photos. |
| 19:36.43 | Thunder_Child | remember it comes in a fish |
| 19:37.02 | Dashkal | facepalms |
| 19:37.02 | alestane | One of my students was working on a character for 3D Modeling, and when he finished he turned around and announced, "Cool, I just did my first dude." |
| 19:37.03 | Dashkal | Thank you |
| 19:37.05 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: whats the 2nd one for? |
| 19:37.17 | Thunder_Child | i have done that a time or two myself Dashkal |
| 19:37.19 | Lunessa | Full Face, profile. |
| 19:37.20 | Dashkal | I wonder how long that bloated eel was in my inventory |
| 19:37.27 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: ah |
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| 19:37.55 | Thunder_Child | alestane: did you ask if it was good for him? |
| 19:38.13 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! | 3.3.5 PTR Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/bY6mEm || "Cool, I just did my first dude." - alestane |
| 19:38.14 | alestane | I didn't have to, the ex-Air Force guy jumped all over that line. |
| 19:38.35 | Thunder_Child | and Cairenn just jumped all over that one |
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| 19:39.55 | zenzelezz | Cairenn ftw |
| 19:39.57 | Lopeppeppy | needs new toys. |
| 19:40.16 | zenzelezz | I'm not good enough anymore? |
| 19:40.18 | Cairenn | offers up herself |
| 19:40.34 | alestane | Cairenn, I call quote abuse. |
| 19:40.39 | zenzelezz | poor kitty... http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/15/funny-pictures-got-was-a-baloon/ |
| 19:40.42 | Cairenn | Your point? |
| 19:40.52 | alestane | At least put single quotes inside the double ones. |
| 19:40.54 | Shadowed | It's not quote abuse, yours came ready quoted! |
| 19:41.05 | Shadowed | topic can't support the entire line |
| 19:41.09 | Shadowed | of course she had to cut a bit out |
| 19:41.11 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 19:41.18 | Cairenn | snarks |
| 19:41.28 | zenzelezz | Cairenn + Thunder_Child: http://somuchpun.com/2010/05/15/funny-pun-photos-or-does-everything/ |
| 19:41.38 | Thunder_Child | i hate you zenzelezz |
| 19:41.41 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:42.29 | Cloudwolf | so ironic "Store pick up only" "Store pickup: Unavailable" |
| 19:42.36 | Cloudwolf | tell me how thats supposed to work |
| 19:43.36 | Iriel | Cloudwolf: My guess (as someone who works for a retailer) is that 'Store pick up only' REALLY means "We dont sell this from our distribution center", but they went with a "positive" spin |
| 19:43.52 | Cloudwolf | k |
| 19:43.59 | Cloudwolf | aka we hold it in our stores and were sold out |
| 19:44.07 | Lunessa | Positive spin means they're trying to make upQuarks? |
| 19:44.09 | Iriel | and the unavailable means either 'We think we can sell them all to walk-ins, who will probably buy other stuff too, so screw you internet people' |
| 19:44.15 | Iriel | Or 'We sold out in store' |
| 19:44.28 | Iriel | Or "We sold out of our online-pickup reserved copies already in store' |
| 19:44.41 | Iriel | Is this, perchance, Best Buy? |
| 19:46.36 | Cloudwolf | fry's electronics |
| 19:46.36 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, you are too far away to make a good toy. |
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| 19:47.07 | zenzelezz | :( |
| 19:47.22 | Iriel | Ah Fry's - A delightful abusive retail experience every time! |
| 19:47.56 | zenzelezz | what do you expect when buying from a time traveller |
| 19:48.10 | Cloudwolf | :P we only have like 1 fry's electronics in my state so i don't go there |
| 19:48.40 | Lopeppeppy | I think I should go take a nap before I hurt myself. *grin* |
| 19:49.36 | Iriel | I'm one of the lucky few in northern california who has one 'close' and several more in reasonable driving distance if they have something I NEED |
| 19:50.18 | Shadowed | I'd still rather just buy from newegg |
| 19:50.22 | Shadowed | and I'm about 30 minutes out |
| 19:50.28 | Shadowed | s/out/away from fry's/ |
| 19:50.32 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 19:50.35 | Shadowed | stupid string replace |
| 19:50.36 | Thunder_Child | same |
| 19:50.54 | Cloudwolf | im like 2 hours away froma fry's so its not worth the bother |
| 19:51.20 | Thunder_Child | and not only that i can get newegg in about 2 days max |
| 19:51.34 | Thunder_Child | so newegg is by far a better choice |
| 19:53.15 | Cloudwolf | all of the online sellers tirgerdirect/compusa (same people) and newegg don't have warehouses in my location |
| 19:53.17 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 19:54.16 | Lunessa | There's a Fry's near me. Like 5 miles. I go there if I need something RIGHT NOW, and I can't stand driving to Micro Center 45 miles away. |
| 19:55.30 | Cloudwolf | the irony of my state is its pretty much a tech centered state however most of the big computer part retailers don't have a locatoin in my state |
| 19:56.09 | Lunessa | I have a BestBuy and a Fry's close. I'd still rather wait and go to Micro Center or order online. |
| 19:56.29 | Cloudwolf | the closest thing i have is a bestbuy/circuitcity >.> |
| 19:57.01 | Lunessa | Circut City is .. FAIL. |
| 19:58.01 | cbreak | internet shopping ftw |
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| 19:58.36 | Cloudwolf | i guess the up side to not having a warehouse in my area is no sales tax >.> |
| 19:59.29 | cbreak | in europe, you have to pay sales tax in one country. yours or the one of your customer. I think. |
| 19:59.40 | cbreak | that sounds fairer |
| 19:59.51 | Cloudwolf | Heh I just have to pay shipping |
| 20:00.05 | Cloudwolf | because chances are im buying from a state that uses income tax and not sales |
| 20:01.01 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 20:01.08 | cbreak | my country has income, property, and sales tax |
| 20:01.11 | cbreak | yay... :) |
| 20:01.15 | Cloudwolf | heh |
| 20:01.23 | cbreak | but at least they are quite low even combined |
| 20:01.34 | Cloudwolf | I dont know what all the United States has (i don't have a job nor am i 18 so it doesn't effect me too much yet) |
| 20:02.41 | Lunessa | In the US, it's generally up to the state wether they consider the sale happened at your warehouse or not - but they can't charge you sales tax for a sale in another state. |
| 20:02.47 | zenzelezz | cbreak: how low? |
| 20:03.16 | Cloudwolf | Yeah that lunessa :D |
| 20:03.22 | cbreak | I don't remember the income and property taxes. sales tax is 8% in 2011 |
| 20:03.26 | cbreak | it's 7.6 now |
| 20:03.45 | Cloudwolf | I still find it kinda funny that i live in Washington state and theres only realy like 1 fry's a few bestbuys and circuit cities >.> |
| 20:04.03 | Cloudwolf | cbreak the 8% sounds about right for here on sales |
| 20:04.19 | cbreak | germany (country next door) has 16% or so? |
| 20:04.55 | Lunessa | I'm just hoping we never go the VAT route here. |
| 20:05.06 | Cloudwolf | VAT? |
| 20:05.19 | zenzelezz | value added tax |
| 20:05.29 | Cloudwolf | Never heard of it >.< |
| 20:05.53 | Lunessa | Basically a tax that gets added at every transaction where something is done with an item or materials. to tax the "added" value. |
| 20:06.07 | zenzelezz | we have it here. You buy something in a store, and roughly 24% goes to the state |
| 20:06.19 | cbreak | isn't vat sales tax? |
| 20:06.28 | cbreak | we have it on sales in stores, or services. |
| 20:07.58 | Lunessa | Sales tax happens only once or twice in the lifecycle of the product. VAT happens at every stage. |
| 20:07.59 | Iriel | In the US you're always supposed to PAY sales tax on out of state purchases |
| 20:08.05 | Lunessa | Governments love it. |
| 20:08.14 | Iriel | The location of the company just determines if they're legally obliged to COLLECT it |
| 20:08.26 | Iriel | Of course, many many many people don't declare or pay it |
| 20:09.18 | Iriel | Lunessa: It's not that they CANT charge sales tax for an out of state sale, it's that they DONT NEED TO. The company I work for has presence in almost every state, we charge sales tax on almost every order. |
| 20:09.20 | Lunessa | Right. A CA seller can't collect taxes for a sale in TX. |
| 20:09.21 | cbreak | it's easier here |
| 20:09.34 | zenzelezz | the whole VAT thing is interesting here. Businesses pay it, then get the VAT amount back |
| 20:09.34 | Lunessa | Or I should say - isn't required to. |
| 20:09.36 | cbreak | since it's mandatorily integrated in the price |
| 20:09.50 | Iriel | They're talking about adding VAT here |
| 20:09.55 | zenzelezz | when they're buying stuff I mean |
| 20:09.58 | Iriel | but they're not talking about adding VAT and REMOVING sales tax |
| 20:10.02 | Iriel | so I hope it goes nowhere |
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| 20:10.26 | Lunessa | Iriel: You and me both. I already get to keep vanishingly small amounts of my income. |
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| 20:11.56 | Lunessa | I used to have to get temporary sales tax permits when I travelled to cons and events as a collectibles merchant. |
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| 20:15.54 | Shirik | http://youmakemetouchyourhandsforstupidreasons.ytmnd.com/ |
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| 20:22.32 | Cloudwolf | D: so many sc2 beta patches to dl |
| 20:23.11 | zenzelezz | looks around for D |
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| 20:28.36 | zenzelezz | because everyone feels it's a totally legit site when you need to announce it in hit-and-runs on IRC |
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| 20:29.11 | olafski | I just ordered a 50" plasma for $299 |
| 20:29.14 | olafski | are you saying that's not legit? |
| 20:33.59 | Shirik | well zenzelezz |
| 20:34.02 | Shirik | maybe he was planning on staying |
| 20:34.07 | Dagmar | It was only left lying on it's face for a few hours. It's probably still good |
| 20:34.08 | Shirik | but idoru wasn't very nice :( |
| 20:35.43 | Iriel | Dagmar: Left ON, lying on its face |
| 20:35.50 | Iriel | displaying a static image |
| 20:37.45 | Shirik | how do I tell steam to stop killing my internet connection? |
| 20:38.34 | Iriel | A nice dinner, or perhaps send it a letter? |
| 20:38.48 | Dagmar | Shirik: Get some QoS on yer router |
| 20:39.06 | Shirik | ok, my parents' internet connection is not exactly the most high tech, ok? |
| 20:40.25 | zenzelezz | your parents use Steam? |
| 20:40.58 | Shirik | no |
| 20:41.00 | Shirik | my laptop does |
| 20:41.05 | cbreak | you can pause downloads |
| 20:42.45 | Sixen | =] |
| 20:43.54 | zenzelezz | pause downloads? Surely that's a Web 3.5 feature! |
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| 20:47.30 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/yow_yow_disney_ladies_in_sexy.php |
| 20:48.23 | Lunessa | mikma: DAMN. |
| 20:48.34 | Dagmar | Prolly NFSW |
| 20:48.47 | Cloudwolf | nah just imminent boners |
| 20:48.57 | mikma | saturday is not a workday hohohohoooo |
| 20:49.07 | Lunessa | I am at the office. fucker |
| 20:50.23 | mikma | hohohohohohoohohoooooo! sucks to be you, nerd |
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| 20:52.06 | Cairenn | hot damn those drawings are rawr |
| 20:53.33 | Lunessa | Screw that, I looked anyway. |
| 20:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: new avater for you? ;) |
| 20:53.44 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: heh |
| 20:54.07 | Cairenn | If Tink was a redhead, possibly |
| 20:54.21 | Cairenn | Ariel is hot |
| 20:54.25 | zenzelezz | it's a sad situation and all, but this is a wicked picture: http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/117/117359/11735913/jpg/active/960x.jpg |
| 20:54.49 | mikma | yeah sure, call me a fucker cause i linked it, and once i got cairenn on my side, have a look! |
| 20:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That the oil? |
| 20:54.59 | Cloudwolf | that picture looks like its a matte painting O.o |
| 20:55.12 | Cairenn | oil? |
| 20:55.25 | ScytheBlade1 | from the gulf coast |
| 20:55.37 | Cairenn | oh, duh |
| 20:55.38 | zenzelezz | yup, the BP rig |
| 20:55.53 | Cairenn | yeah, that sucks (the oil spill) |
| 20:56.04 | Cairenn | but it /is/ an amazing pic |
| 20:56.40 | Lunessa | The photographer rocked the shot. |
| 20:57.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: good, because his other option was death |
| 20:57.23 | Lunessa | SBO - heh |
| 20:57.31 | Lunessa | No cake? |
| 20:57.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay do not like |
| 20:57.55 | ScytheBlade1 | This mouse is evidently programmable |
| 20:58.17 | ScytheBlade1 | And that means that my scroll wheel buttons, instead of scrolling up and down |
| 20:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Increase/decrease the sensitivity of the mouse |
| 20:59.10 | mikma | scytheblade1: you must have some sort of toggle-feature in the mouse |
| 20:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, that app runs under windows, and doesn't have a "the scroll buttons SHOULD SCROLL" option |
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| 21:02.22 | mikma | tekkub: http://mikma.eu/misc/fut2.jpg |
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| 21:13.23 | Lunessa | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/what_if_you_could_photoshop_re.php |
| 21:20.54 | zenzelezz | got to love media's story names... "Sun-damaged zombie-satellite amok in space" |
| 21:22.26 | olafski | zombies make satellites now? |
| 21:22.28 | olafski | hides :( |
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| 21:25.25 | olafski | dagnabbit I keep forgetting.. is it "modelling" or "modeling"? |
| 21:26.02 | foxlit | What continent are we talking about? |
| 21:26.14 | olafski | hm I think I did the rest of my thesis in british english.. not sure |
| 21:26.42 | olafski | should've gone with US english =( |
| 21:27.18 | foxlit | iirc, british tends to double consonants in that case |
| 21:27.32 | olafski | used color instead of colour, and parameterised instead of parameterized |
| 21:28.25 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#Doubled_consonants |
| 21:29.08 | olafski | hm |
| 21:29.15 | olafski | but I guess color is US english |
| 21:29.28 | olafski | I better keep this stuff consistent =) |
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| 21:29.44 | Shirik | ok so seriously |
| 21:29.47 | Shirik | how do you play portal on a mac? |
| 21:30.06 | olafski | install steam, download portal, click play? |
| 21:30.09 | foxlit | I presume you click "Install" and then you wait, and then you click "Play" |
| 21:30.10 | olafski | just a guess.. I don't have a mac =) |
| 21:30.18 | cbreak | Shirik: fast! |
| 21:30.22 | cbreak | It's fun :) |
| 21:30.33 | foxlit | But perhaps you have a different objection. |
| 21:30.34 | cbreak | what do you have problems with? |
| 21:30.40 | foxlit | Like right clicking. |
| 21:30.40 | cogwheel | alestane: Iriel: there isn't any built-in function to get a list of all the possible results of a secure command option list is there? |
| 21:31.04 | foxlit | cogwheel: :gsub("%b[]", ""):split(";") |
| 21:31.04 | Iriel | You mean each conditional and the result in that case? |
| 21:31.09 | alestane | Like, what values for "type" are recognized? |
| 21:31.11 | cogwheel | Iriel: aye |
| 21:31.16 | Iriel | Nothing friendly no, I always expected someone would write one eventually |
| 21:31.21 | Kandoko | Nechckn |
| 21:31.31 | cogwheel | yeah, it's not gonna be much more difficult than foxlit's idea ;) |
| 21:32.03 | Nechckn | grumbles in Kandoko's general direction. |
| 21:34.05 | olafski | foxlit: I don't use right click to shoot portals even on pc.. don't macs come with more than one button on the mouse nowadays? |
| 21:34.07 | foxlit | I like how curse can simultaneously think I'm both logged in and logged out |
| 21:34.19 | Iriel | Shirik: What foxlit said, more or less, if you have steam installed |
| 21:34.21 | olafski | heh yeah that bugged me for ages, until I found out how to "fix" it |
| 21:34.29 | Iriel | Shirik: Though valve hid the download somewhere odd on the steam site |
| 21:34.39 | Shirik | yes what foxlit said is my objection |
| 21:34.40 | foxlit | olafski: unfortunately, mac mice suck. |
| 21:34.45 | Shirik | how the hell do you right click |
| 21:34.57 | olafski | foxlit: oh.. I've never used a mac I think.. well maybe about 10 years ago |
| 21:35.04 | Iriel | You have a proper mouse |
| 21:35.08 | Iriel | I have a G9 on my mac |
| 21:35.17 | foxlit | You do a two-finger tap on the touchpad to right click on a notebook |
| 21:35.19 | olafski | shirik: the nice part about these first person shooters is that you can rebind most functions to whatever button you want them on :) |
| 21:35.23 | Iriel | All of the recent macs have a 2 button capable mouse |
| 21:35.33 | foxlit | Alternatively, you can click the right side of the mouse for the last two mouse iterations or so |
| 21:35.35 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:35.37 | Iriel | And on the laptops it's what foxlit said |
| 21:35.38 | Dagmar | Shirik: You put your left index finger on the mouse, and your right teste on the openmac key, then click the button |
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| 21:35.54 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 21:35.57 | foxlit | But what's more annoying is that they absolutely refuse to recognize a right click unless you lift your left-button finger off the mouse. |
| 21:36.14 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:36.16 | Iriel | foxlit: Yeah, which is why I have logitech mice on every mac I own |
| 21:36.19 | foxlit | It's moronic for any sort of windows-designed control scheme. |
| 21:36.24 | Shirik | how about that buttonless mouse? |
| 21:36.26 | Iriel | (Actually own OR work with) |
| 21:36.26 | Shirik | anyone used it? |
| 21:36.31 | Iriel | It's got the same problem |
| 21:36.34 | Iriel | it knows which side you pressed down |
| 21:36.37 | Fisker | mac sucks :( |
| 21:36.39 | Shirik | or maybe the more appropriate term is "all button" mouse |
| 21:36.43 | Fisker | i can't even write "@" |
| 21:36.44 | Iriel | But it's only got one 'click detector' |
| 21:37.03 | Iriel | So you can left click, right click, but you can't left-hold-then-right-click |
| 21:37.13 | alestane | Yes, I like Mac OS X but not their "You don't really need more than one button" philosophy when it comes to making mouse. |
| 21:37.16 | Fisker | rages |
| 21:37.17 | alestane | mice* |
| 21:37.26 | foxlit | So yeah, the only sane option if you need the right mouse button and want a mouse is to get a proper mouse. |
| 21:37.43 | Shirik | oh Iriel |
| 21:37.45 | Shirik | have you seen this |
| 21:38.21 | foxlit | WTB GetCursorInfo() fix for pet abilities. |
| 21:38.52 | Dagmar | foxlit: It's possible that you could dig around on eBay and find some chinese kid selling knockoff right mouse buttons with some double-sided tape |
| 21:41.07 | Fisker | Dagmar |
| 21:41.21 | Shirik | Iriel: http://current.com/shows/infomania/92404989_the-ipad-sucks-tech-report.htm |
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| 21:43.13 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:43.23 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 21:45.09 | Fisker | sweet |
| 21:46.18 | cbreak | just use the right button |
| 21:46.30 | cbreak | you might have to enable it |
| 21:46.47 | cbreak | but the right side counts as right click, and the left as left click |
| 21:46.50 | foxlit | :/ |
| 21:47.03 | foxlit | Every time I open the interface options menu, wow freezes for a few fractions of a second. |
| 21:48.50 | cbreak | that page sucks |
| 21:48.57 | cbreak | all it has is some text and a black box |
| 21:50.56 | Fisker | anyone got the mac and portal comic thingy with the mouse? |
| 21:52.09 | Thunder_Child | so it seems that there is a free live concert of the jonas brothers today a few blocks from my house.....i dond think i will be leaving it today. |
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| 21:52.19 | Thunder_Child | dont* |
| 21:52.27 | cbreak | mac portal thingie with mouse? |
| 21:52.53 | foxlit | Picaboomkin <Solus>. |
| 21:52.56 | Arrowmaster | http://gizmodo.com/5538403/the-fatal-flaw-with-portal-on-macs |
| 21:53.00 | foxlit | Meh, could've stopped at Picaboom |
| 21:53.21 | cbreak | I don't get it... |
| 21:53.30 | cbreak | he complains that portal doesn't work on a 12 year old mac? |
| 21:54.02 | Dagmar | You seem to forget that mac users aren't real bright |
| 21:54.14 | cbreak | hmm? |
| 21:54.21 | Arrowmaster | i doubt it was even made by a mac user |
| 21:54.26 | cbreak | at least not as dumb as windows users :) |
| 21:54.43 | Arrowmaster | or as cheap as windows users |
| 21:54.53 | cbreak | linux is cheaper than windows... |
| 21:55.03 | cbreak | last I saw, windows costs around 400⬠or so |
| 21:55.08 | olafski | linux is only cheaper if your time is worthless |
| 21:55.22 | Arrowmaster | i was referring to http://www.wolfire.com/humble |
| 21:55.27 | olafski | there now we've bashed all 3 major OS's |
| 21:55.58 | cbreak | hmm, no, it's around 200 |
| 21:56.38 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: fun :) |
| 22:03.14 | Dagmar | olafski: At this point I'd argue that that's no longer anywhere near true |
| 22:03.57 | Dagmar | olafski: For the typical 93-IQ internet user, Ubuntu is about as useful (and just as reliable) as Windows 7 |
| 22:04.20 | Dagmar | They're pretty equally screwed if something goes wrong with either, but at least Ubuntu's updates come out faster |
| 22:05.35 | olafski | I really don't feel like an OS war.. but last time I tried ubuntu I found it nowhere near as usable as windows.. possibly because I'm used to windows, but that's a problem they'll have to overcome somehow ;) |
| 22:06.21 | A-KO | I agree with olafski |
| 22:06.47 | Dagmar | Musta been 8 or something |
| 22:07.05 | Dagmar | 9 installed with less hassle than Windows 8 |
| 22:07.08 | Dagmar | er Windows 7 |
| 22:07.15 | olafski | sure, installation was fine |
| 22:07.15 | Dagmar | ...and in less time |
| 22:07.21 | olafski | getting it to work exactly the way I wanted.. not so fine |
| 22:07.33 | Shirik | haha: |
| 22:07.37 | Shirik | Alright, stupid question, Mac users. |
| 22:07.39 | Shirik | You go from one button, to two, to five button and other multifunction mice... |
| 22:07.39 | Dagmar | Windows doesn't exactly give you options in that respect |
| 22:07.41 | Shirik | ... to a mouse with no buttons on it. |
| 22:07.42 | olafski | but I can somewhat agree that the typical interweb user will be able to use ubuntu |
| 22:07.43 | Shirik | Why have we gone backwards? |
| 22:07.49 | Shirik | ^ gizmodo comments ftw |
| 22:08.23 | Dagmar | Shirik: Because people who don't know animals can't talk are captioning photos in uppercase even through we've been past 7-bit ASCII for over 20 years now |
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| 22:09.32 | Fisker | i'm you Shirik |
| 22:10.07 | olafski | hm, the past week my thesis has gone from 69 to 66 pages.. it felt as if I was adding information, not removing it :P |
| 22:11.16 | orzin | olafski, its not someone elses problem that you choose not to adapt. |
| 22:11.35 | olafski | lol |
| 22:11.41 | olafski | whatever you say :) |
| 22:11.55 | orzin | no really it isnt. adapt or get left behind |
| 22:11.58 | cbreak | olafski: just add source code if you want to blow your thesis up |
| 22:12.07 | cbreak | or make it two-column |
| 22:12.13 | cbreak | (looks better too) |
| 22:12.16 | olafski | hehe I don't want to blow it up.. the length really shouldn't be something I get graded on |
| 22:12.44 | olafski | and source code doesn't belong in a thesis imo, unless it's in really small amounts to illustrate a specific point |
| 22:13.12 | cbreak | I added some headers to the appendix |
| 22:13.18 | cbreak | and lots of snippets to the thesis itself |
| 22:13.30 | Fisker | slaps olafski around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:13.45 | olafski | hm, the code I made is in so many different places I think sequence diagrams are better to illustrate what I did |
| 22:13.54 | olafski | actually most of it is math anyway |
| 22:15.08 | olafski | hope to have the final draft done this week, but for some of it I rely on information from my supervisors and they're not really known for their punctuality |
| 22:15.44 | cbreak | placeholders :) |
| 22:15.50 | cbreak | I hope you use LaTeX... |
| 22:16.02 | olafski | sure.. but I need to write something about their information |
| 22:16.17 | olafski | I'd like their feedback on it |
| 22:16.25 | olafski | then again, I've really stopped caring about what grade I get for this |
| 22:16.58 | olafski | if they "greenlight" the final draft my diploma is pretty much in the pocket and I could care less whether I get a 6/10 or 9/10, as long as I can leave |
| 22:17.36 | cbreak | you don't like studying? |
| 22:17.51 | cbreak | I was happy to get my degree, but I still miss university |
| 22:18.01 | olafski | not really I think.. been at it for 8 years but I don't think I've enjoyed much of it |
| 22:18.11 | olafski | being a student is fun of course, the actual studying.. not so much |
| 22:18.41 | orzin | wait is it learning or regurgitation > |
| 22:18.50 | orzin | spewing up is never fun |
| 22:19.05 | cbreak | 8 years? longer than me I think. |
| 22:19.06 | orzin | i mean the stomach convulsions... |
| 22:19.12 | olafski | I've got a job, can't wait to get started there.. they are known for investing much more in education than other companies which is why I chose to work there, I think that learning with a purpose will make more sense to me than this abstract stuff I learn here :P |
| 22:19.15 | cbreak | they told me to hurry up at 6 |
| 22:19.18 | olafski | cbreak: yeah, I am lazy ;) |
| 22:19.26 | olafski | when not motivated properly.. |
| 22:19.37 | cbreak | where I work now is very close to ETH |
| 22:19.39 | cbreak | my university |
| 22:19.41 | olafski | I probably could've done it in the 5 years it was supposed to take, and with much higher grades than I got now |
| 22:19.46 | cbreak | so I am almost still there :) |
| 22:21.12 | olafski | (oh and yes I use latex, don't want to think how writing a report of this length and with so many formulas and pictures would be like in any other tool =)) |
| 22:21.48 | olafski | not to mention the default latex style is much better than anything my simple imagination could produce |
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| 22:24.30 | cbreak | I used a cool custom latex style |
| 22:24.37 | cbreak | spent several days on it :) |
| 22:24.41 | cbreak | it's not that custom though |
| 22:24.48 | cbreak | but... it's just too tempting to play around with |
| 22:25.07 | olafski | I guess |
| 22:25.14 | olafski | but I have no clue about layout |
| 22:25.33 | olafski | if I knew something I'd like to change I would try to, but I love the default stylesheet :P |
| 22:27.03 | olafski | oh I use the memoir class, not sure if that's a different style or even why I used that.. but there's a reason for it somewhere |
| 22:27.27 | foxlit | default latex margins kill me. |
| 22:27.48 | olafski | a good way to pad the pagecount though |
| 22:27.56 | olafski | else there is \usepackage{a4wide} |
| 22:28.02 | foxlit | \usepackage{fullpage} :) |
| 22:28.14 | olafski | or that :P |
| 22:28.17 | cbreak | my latex header is more than a page... |
| 22:28.41 | cbreak | and many many .tex files :) |
| 22:28.44 | cbreak | one for each chapter |
| 22:29.05 | olafski | my preamble is 115 lines and I have a file with some redefined commands of 180 lines |
| 22:29.13 | olafski | and yeah, separate per chapter.. love that functionality |
| 22:29.17 | cbreak | I use \documentclass[12pt,twoside,bibliography=totoc]{scrartcl}. looks rather nice imho. |
| 22:29.42 | olafski | isn't 12pt huge? :s |
| 22:29.49 | cbreak | (I use xelatex instead of normal pdflatex, so I have some special features) |
| 22:29.50 | olafski | I use 10 and find it quite big already |
| 22:29.59 | cbreak | 10 is tiny |
| 22:30.21 | cbreak | and my professor, who had to read it, wasn't the youngest :) |
| 22:30.23 | olafski | 74 pages when I use 11pt :D |
| 22:30.39 | Dagmar | Don't punish your reader with 10pt |
| 22:30.43 | olafski | 80 with 12pt.. but I think I prefer 10pt |
| 22:30.46 | cbreak | I have 82 pages... |
| 22:31.38 | cbreak | http://the-color-black.net/examinationroom/ if you want to look at it. I can get you the sources too. Not that I think my LaTeX skills are above yours... but I spent a lot of time on it :) |
| 22:31.54 | olafski | oh but they probably are :P |
| 22:32.23 | Arrowmaster | remember font sizes differ between operating systems |
| 22:32.32 | cbreak | not in LaTeX |
| 22:32.37 | cbreak | and not in pt |
| 22:32.37 | Arrowmaster | 12pt on windows is like 9pt on linux |
| 22:32.47 | cbreak | pt is defined relative to inch |
| 22:32.59 | orzin | depends on what you have your display dpi set |
| 22:33.00 | cbreak | I htink |
| 22:33.32 | olafski | I would assume that if I generate a pdf from my latex source in windows it should come out pretty much the same (or exactly the same) as when I do the same on linux |
| 22:33.40 | cbreak | yeah |
| 22:33.58 | cbreak | if you have a screen with a high resolution |
| 22:34.02 | cbreak | everything will be smaller |
| 22:34.14 | cbreak | assuming constant operating system resolution |
| 22:35.12 | cbreak | ah yes, 1 pt = 1/72 inch |
| 22:35.33 | Dagmar | No. |
| 22:35.36 | cbreak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_%28typography%29 |
| 22:35.46 | Dagmar | This is why we use points, and not pixels for font sizes. |
| 22:35.52 | Dagmar | Point size is a real-world size. |
| 22:36.08 | cbreak | -> 1 pt = 1/72 inch |
| 22:36.16 | Dagmar | The PDF will come out with the letters the same size no matter what the OS unless the OS is broken. |
| 22:36.19 | cbreak | inch might only be used by one single backwards country |
| 22:36.22 | cbreak | but it is a real world size |
| 22:36.38 | Dagmar | When points weren invented it was the only fucking measurement going |
| 22:37.58 | orzin | <insert rage> |
| 22:38.06 | olafski | well, whatever is the philosophy behind it, I'm sticking to 10pt fonts :P |
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| 22:39.28 | cbreak | unless your OS and your screen is configured accordingly, you won't see it correctly until you print it |
| 22:40.03 | Dagmar | Both Xorg and whatever the hell Windows uses are capable of querying the display to find out what real-world size it's pixels are |
| 22:40.05 | olafski | aye, I have a couple of printed chapters with annotations already ;) |
| 22:42.19 | cbreak | capable yes, but they don't seem to do it. |
| 22:42.35 | Dagmar | Go buy a monitor made this decade |
| 22:42.41 | olafski | I just held an A4 paper in front of my screen and scaled my pdf viewer until it matched ;) |
| 22:42.50 | Dagmar | Xorg does it without fail on any decent monitor |
| 22:43.03 | Lopeppeppy | woke up. You're all in trouble now. |
| 22:43.28 | orzin | denial is the first stage |
| 22:43.52 | Thunder_Child | i thought birth was |
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| 22:43.58 | Dagmar | orzin: So what do you call the "talking through your hat" stage you're in now? |
| 22:44.00 | Lunessa | station |
| 22:44.08 | Thunder_Child | all aboard |
| 22:44.55 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, orizin denies my existence! |
| 22:45.04 | orzin | stage 4 : depression |
| 22:45.14 | Dagmar | Let me say this so that people can understand... At one point I had to run a freaking debugger on Xorg as it queried a display. This is how I'm *really* sure it queries EDID unless you explicitly tell it otherwise. |
| 22:45.24 | Dagmar | Just hours of time spent paging through that |
| 22:46.13 | Dagmar | (the evental determination is that Dell are a bigger bunch of cheap-asses than is probably sane) |
| 22:46.13 | orzin | Dagmar, i think thousands of windows users just suddenly found a scratch on the wall unexplainably interesting for the last minute |
| 22:46.38 | Lopeppeppy | Dr. Who++ |
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| 22:52.37 | foxlit | Peppy: EXTERMINATE? |
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| 22:59.06 | cal153 | having an odd bug where i puloaded a file, it doesn't show up and wont let me re-upload it (says it's a duplicate). any ideas? |
| 22:59.30 | Amarande | WTF. |
| 22:59.34 | Amarande | Scam email: "This is greetings from the World of Warcraft in preparation for accession to the World of Warcraft: The disaster of the beta test, come on! Azeroth world turmoil coming, and you certainly do not want to be forgotten in the cold winds of Northrend , unable to enjoy the pleasant sun Corzine on the island." |
| 22:59.44 | Amarande | LEARN ENGLISH BEFORE YOU TRY TO SCAM KTHX ID10T |
| 22:59.58 | Thunder_Child | i dunno "World of Warcraft: The disaster" is rather amusing |
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| 23:00.57 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:01.05 | Amarande | at 76, you're not supposed to be just entering DB are you :| |
| 23:01.25 | Cide | DB is like 73-75? |
| 23:02.03 | Nechckn | Thunder_Child totally lovethat line |
| 23:02.33 | Shirik | what is DB? |
| 23:02.39 | Cide | dragonblight? |
| 23:02.42 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:02.45 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh, foxlit, how wonderful! |
| 23:02.49 | Shirik | my mind was stuck in "database" for some reaosn |
| 23:02.51 | Shirik | reason* |
| 23:02.53 | Amarande | yeah, somehow I dinged 76 while finishing up Borean. |
| 23:02.58 | Shirik | also, I did DB like |
| 23:03.00 | Shirik | 71-72 |
| 23:03.06 | Amarande | let's see |
| 23:03.10 | Shirik | it wasn't entirely fun, but possible |
| 23:03.18 | Cide | as dk? |
| 23:03.21 | Shirik | no |
| 23:03.24 | Shirik | druid |
| 23:03.27 | Shirik | about equally OP |
| 23:03.28 | Amarande | got a late start (71, because I was busy with questing BEM and a lot of Netherstorm first) on the DK in Northrend |
| 23:03.30 | Cide | eh |
| 23:03.31 | bleeter | Cairenn: if I go to http://www.wowinterface.com/premium.php and follow the link to http://www.allakhazam.com/Premium_Chart.html?ref=mmoi I get a 404 |
| 23:03.33 | Amarande | went to HF first |
| 23:03.39 | Cide | a lot of the elites are quite difficult as druid |
| 23:03.41 | Amarande | have been doing my daily instance daily |
| 23:03.47 | Cide | naturally even more so with other classes except for DK |
| 23:03.50 | Amarande | yeah, as DK northrend elites tend to be easysauce |
| 23:03.50 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:03.53 | Shirik | I cheated on those |
| 23:03.59 | Amarande | however, that's because of one ability that I'm surprised wasn't nerfed as a result |
| 23:04.00 | Cide | ah |
| 23:04.02 | Cairenn | bleeter: thanks |
| 23:04.03 | Cide | well then sure |
| 23:04.05 | Shirik | /g Hey who wants to help me kill __________ |
| 23:04.09 | Amarande | maybe they'll do something with cata elites to defeat that strategy though ... |
| 23:04.21 | Amarande | basically, the trouble with northrend elites (difficulty balance wise) on a DK is simple: Death Strike |
| 23:04.23 | Dagmar | Another thing in your favor is that you actuall understand the game now |
| 23:05.29 | Amarande | with two diseases, DS simply heals too much for all but the strongest elites to be a problem |
| 23:05.29 | Dagmar | A new player, DK or not, is probably not as likely to be soloing those orange 3-man quests |
| 23:05.29 | Cide | well naturally |
| 23:05.29 | Amarande | I'd expect DKs to only have trouble with elites if they are particularly powerful, have a gimmick (like Valanar's damage reflecting thing ... almost got the 80 I 2-manned him with ...) |
| 23:05.29 | Cide | but you're not a new player at 70+ |
| 23:05.29 | Dagmar | I've been soloing them on the lock, and I shoudln't be able to do that, but then I've also been stacking stats like mad so I can |
| 23:06.10 | bleeter | Cairenn: you're welcome. got a couple of bucks in my paypal so figured instead of donating to Norganna, this time I'd donate to ZAM ;) |
| 23:06.10 | Cide | then you're just a bad player if you can't do it with a DK |
| 23:06.10 | Cairenn | *hug* |
| 23:06.10 | Dagmar | Don't care what people wanna say about it... stacking stamina first on 'locks while leveling is win |
| 23:06.11 | Amarande | or if they are water elementals (where you can only use one disease because Icy Touch doesn't work, so you only get half the healing from DS) |
| 23:06.19 | Gintaro | pisses me off that my rogue who is better geared then my warr can't do certain group quests while my prot warrior can lol through them |
| 23:06.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, the usual advice is to stack for sheer kill power rather than survivability |
| 23:06.58 | Amarande | so that's probably where the anti-stamina crowd is coming from |
| 23:07.12 | Amarande | it's like leveling a shaman as resto or a paladin as holy ... you will virtually never die, but things will go SLOW |
| 23:07.12 | Cairenn | bleeter: the sign up link still works fine |
| 23:07.29 | Cairenn | bleeter: just the "this is what you get on the akz site(s) linke doesn't |
| 23:07.38 | Amarande | as for elites on my warlock ... for the *most* part I tended to come back for the tougher looking group quests when massively overleveled |
| 23:07.40 | Cairenn | link* |
| 23:07.47 | Amarande | like sometimes, for Borean anyway, "just before the quest would go grey" |
| 23:08.15 | Amarande | this is how I discovered an evil little property of Naxxanar. |
| 23:08.19 | Dagmar | I know I'll be too busy later, so I've just been doing them the moment they show up |
| 23:08.37 | Amarande | (and probably similar ziggurats, but Naxxanar is the one I remember because it's the one I died on in a rather ignominious manner really lol) |
| 23:08.45 | Amarande | Please use the teleporter to enter Naxxanar. |
| 23:08.48 | Dagmar | Jumped off did you? |
| 23:08.50 | Amarande | Do not attempt to be cute and use your flying mount. |
| 23:08.55 | Dagmar | Oh hahaha |
| 23:09.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: no ... I tried to be cute and use my flying mount instead of the provided teleporter |
| 23:09.10 | Amarande | Got auto dismounted before I was able to land on the platform ... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU *splat* |
| 23:09.11 | Dagmar | Yeah I almost did that the last time |
| 23:09.38 | Dagmar | I figured I could probably streak in there but I wasn't so certain about dealing with everything that came when I landed |
| 23:10.11 | Amarande | yeah, I was sure I could take the mobs, but didn't reckon on the "you're indoors, can't be mounted, bye mount" mechanic kicking in so quickly |
| 23:10.15 | Amarande | and it's a looooong way down :P |
| 23:10.26 | Amarande | and that's not my engineer with parachute cloak either heh |
| 23:10.30 | Dagmar | Did you remember to let the DK help at the end of that chain? |
| 23:10.36 | Dagmar | I forgot for the *third time* |
| 23:10.52 | Amarande | Dagmar: what about letting the DK help? |
| 23:11.17 | Dagmar | He's supposed to come up there and help you by tanking |
| 23:11.20 | Amarande | I 2-manned Breaking Through on my DK, so I didn't need any extra help, although the 80 warrior I was with almost did manage to kill himself on the reflector shield :) |
| 23:11.55 | Dagmar | All three times now about halfway through I've realized that I was doing something horribly wrong because the fight was far from over |
| 23:12.07 | Amarande | I think you might be thinking of a different chain |
| 23:12.22 | Amarande | This is the one where you kill the three princes in the ziggurat in the scourge city in the NE part of Borean |
| 23:12.36 | Amarande | You don't get NPC help there that I know of, the only DKs are unnamed San'layn |
| 23:12.47 | airtonix | yes you do |
| 23:12.48 | Amarande | (which I'm reasonably sure is short for "Cullen" in northrend-ese) |
| 23:13.17 | Dagmar | The DK who has been sending you over there to his little errands is supposed to show up for the final fight atop the zig |
| 23:13.36 | Amarande | Dagmar: you might be thinking of a different zig |
| 23:13.45 | Amarande | there's a lot of them, so that's understandable :) |
| 23:13.52 | Dagmar | Yeah they do run together |
| 23:13.58 | Gintaro | isn't naxxanar the one with the empowered troll yuo control? |
| 23:14.08 | Amarande | Gintaro: no, that's V-something or other in Zul'Drak |
| 23:14.12 | Gintaro | Oh right |
| 23:14.13 | Amarande | Voltarus? |
| 23:14.18 | Dagmar | Yeah it would have to be Zul_Drak. I still haven't touched that zone. |
| 23:14.27 | Amarande | Annoying as hell quest |
| 23:14.29 | Dagmar | I don't recall anything like an empowered troll |
| 23:14.33 | Amarande | For one, they don't warn you that you'll need two trolls |
| 23:14.45 | Amarande | and the hardest part for many classes is staying alive while you go get troll #2 |
| 23:15.02 | Amarande | because you will be being pelted to hell with shadowbolts, and you can't get troll #2 when troll #1 is still alive or troll #1 will go hostile AND FULL HEALTH on you |
| 23:15.14 | Dagmar | eep! |
| 23:15.34 | Gintaro | lolwarrior LMS/SW/ER |
| 23:15.36 | Amarande | I skipped it on my lock, thankfully they added more quests to ZD so you don't need that quest for the ZD zone achievement |
| 23:15.55 | Amarande | with the DK it shouldn't be so bad thanks to AMS |
| 23:16.05 | Amarande | plus with how fast I'm leveling I'll probably be 80 with several heroics under my belt by then |
| 23:16.11 | Amarande | wouldn't be surprised if I'm questing ZD in T9 |
| 23:16.15 | Gintaro | I wonder what stuff will break when rogues get smoke bombs :P |
| 23:16.32 | Amarande | Gintaro: I expect there will be a lot of "OMG FUCK WHY DID THAT ELITE JUST EVADE ON ME AND GO BACK TO FULL HEALTH" QQ :) |
| 23:16.43 | Dagmar | My sense of specialness for having tons of them that just make smoke |
| 23:16.54 | Amarande | that's the only thing I can really think of though |
| 23:16.57 | bleeter | Cairenn: yeah, just thought I'd mention it ;) |
| 23:16.59 | Amarande | mobs will probably reset if they can't see you anymore |
| 23:16.59 | Gintaro | :P |
| 23:17.06 | Cairenn | bleeter: appreciated :) |
| 23:17.07 | Gintaro | It's not that they can't see you |
| 23:17.18 | Gintaro | It's just LOS |
| 23:17.26 | Gintaro | Similar to standing around a corner |
| 23:17.38 | Amarande | eh, there's very few things that are truly broken by LOS exploits |
| 23:17.56 | Amarande | the only quest I can remember that's made sillily easy due to LOS is the last quest in Terokkar in the fumper chain |
| 23:18.00 | Dagmar | It would be nice if they ust stood there muttered "When you get done playing around with the magic smoke, I'm still going to kick your ass" |
| 23:18.08 | Dagmar | s/muttered/muttering/; |
| 23:18.10 | Amarande | where if you know what you are doing you can solo the elite nasty worm taking no damage *at all* |
| 23:18.27 | Amarande | because if you get into the Auchindoun entrance tunnel he can't follow you into the tunnel, and thus can only attack with his poison bolt |
| 23:18.38 | Amarande | *which has a cast time* |
| 23:18.43 | Amarande | so if you keep him dotted so he can't evade, and LOS every time he starts casting ... |
| 23:18.45 | Dagmar | ....or you could just let the gorilla tank it |
| 23:18.55 | Gintaro | I do hope smoke bomb affects LoS when the smoke is between you and the enemy |
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| 23:19.01 | Gintaro | and not just while you're in it |
| 23:19.13 | Amarande | Gintaro: "probably not" I'd say |
| 23:19.15 | airtonix | you know it wont |
| 23:19.21 | Amarande | LoS is a weird animal in WoW |
| 23:19.30 | Amarande | lots of times you can easily see a mob but "target not in line of sight" |
| 23:19.37 | Dagmar | So the mob would have to run like a foot to the left and they'd be able to see you again |
| 23:19.37 | Amarande | or there will be an object in between but the mob is still hitting you with ranged |
| 23:19.56 | Dagmar | Let's not forget firing straight through small hilsl |
| 23:19.58 | Amarande | The former is REALLY irritating. |
| 23:20.12 | Amarande | It makes being a healer in Zul'Farrak in particular especially facepalmy. |
| 23:20.19 | airtonix | visible terrain is not the navmesh |
| 23:20.20 | Amarande | Because at that big event bit with the shadowpriest |
| 23:20.32 | Amarande | you really, really are made to think that the "safe healer spot" is at the top of the stairs |
| 23:20.33 | Gintaro | The only LoS issue I can think of is AV with the guards in the towers |
| 23:20.42 | Gintaro | auto-attacking through the brick wall |
| 23:21.01 | Amarande | but then you find trouble when you're not *quite* far enough forward and the tank isn't in your LoS anymore |
| 23:21.07 | Dagmar | THey've made that staircase too easy |
| 23:21.09 | Amarande | because it registers a tiny little bit of stairs below your feet as blocking you |
| 23:21.12 | Thunder_Child | i really want blizz to break GS |
| 23:21.28 | Gintaro | laptop decided to shut down |
| 23:21.29 | Dagmar | THe last time through I literally just turned the demon on aggro mode and there were only three of us |
| 23:21.29 | Gintaro | wtf |
| 23:21.30 | Amarande | T_C: the trouble with that is that you can't really do it in a way that isn't so overhauling as to break other addons entirely |
| 23:21.42 | Amarande | T_C: How are you going to do it without breaking the ability to see ilvl in game at all? |
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| 23:21.55 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: you dont need to ilvl |
| 23:21.57 | Amarande | and since ilvl is actively noted in several things ingame it's clear Blizzard WANTS you to know of it |
| 23:22.00 | Amarande | let's see |
| 23:22.01 | Dagmar | "Breaking" GearScore will not solve the underlying problem |
| 23:22.02 | Thunder_Child | you didnt used to be able to |
| 23:22.03 | Amarande | temporary enchant items: |
| 23:22.08 | Amarande | "does not work on items above level 165" |
| 23:22.27 | Amarande | Cata enchants: "requires a level 300 or higher item" according to the leaked info I saw on MMOC before it was taken down anyway |
| 23:22.29 | Dagmar | You will need to break these idiot players of demanding people have gear that trivializes the instance they're organizing a raid for |
| 23:22.41 | airtonix | interest level |
| 23:22.47 | Gintaro | "You seem to be using GearScore, therefore all item levels will be displayed as 1" |
| 23:22.50 | Thunder_Child | what? no, i just want it stoped to listen to all the complaning |
| 23:22.57 | Dagmar | This idiocy has been going on FAR longer than GS has been around |
| 23:23.03 | Thunder_Child | and see what people do for raids |
| 23:23.04 | Dagmar | Everyone thought it was cool to do it then |
| 23:23.05 | Amarande | T_C: and really, some addons have let you see ilvl since dirt was invented |
| 23:23.07 | Amarande | like auctioneer |
| 23:23.19 | Dagmar | They just don't like it now that morons can do it without having to know the special magic websites that do all the math for you |
| 23:23.39 | airtonix | Dagmar personally, it became the thing that defined wow for me. hence why i stopped playing |
| 23:23.42 | Amarande | basically, you'd have to break a lot of other stuff people are used to in order to break gearscore |
| 23:23.46 | Amarande | well ... you could put it in baddons |
| 23:23.50 | Amarande | but then people would just use EG or the like |
| 23:23.55 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 23:24.23 | tekkub | really what needs to happen is that gearscore needs to stop giving a number |
| 23:24.23 | Gintaro | I looked through the code of GS once, didn't like it |
| 23:24.24 | Dagmar | Helll, ther'es already a sizeable bunch of people using EG because they have heard from their idiot friends that using GS makes you a noob |
| 23:24.32 | Amarande | anyway |
| 23:24.37 | Dagmar | ...and they still use EG for the same thing the idiots use GS for |
| 23:24.37 | Amarande | there's nothing you can do in a non-invasive way |
| 23:24.43 | tekkub | it needs to say "this player is in 80 blues, he would be best for tier one raids |
| 23:24.52 | Amarande | about simple "add together the ilvls of people's items and give a gear meter result" |
| 23:24.58 | Gintaro | Equipment Potency EquivalencE Number! |
| 23:25.12 | Amarande | and honestly, I'd like to know without having to look on wowhead |
| 23:25.17 | Amarande | which items my sharpening stones etc. will still work on |
| 23:26.25 | Amarande | speaking of which, the Savage Cobalt Slicer just gained about 4000000 brownie points in my eye |
| 23:26.31 | Amarande | not only is it one of THE awesomest leveling blues |
| 23:26.39 | Amarande | but it's ELIGIBLE FOR OLD CLASSIC AND BC TEMP ENCHANTS |
| 23:26.47 | Gintaro | :P |
| 23:26.53 | Amarande | ilvl 163, the cut off is 165 |
| 23:27.13 | Amarande | too bad it's fairly slow |
| 23:27.24 | Amarande | sharpening stones are best abused with fast weapons (one of the few cases where fast weapons are better) |
| 23:28.25 | Amarande | now, Blizzard *could* do something, I suppose |
| 23:28.33 | Amarande | like stop using the ilvl system entirely for end game items |
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| 23:28.44 | Amarande | basically manually balance items *as if* they had higher ilvl budgets |
| 23:28.58 | Amarande | but register all endgame gear as having the same visible ilvl |
| 23:29.18 | airtonix | means less time in caman islands |
| 23:29.31 | Amarande | that way it could still be used by leveling people for their tenches and used as a cutoff for enchants, but endgame gear couldn't be microrated by addons so easily |
| 23:30.31 | Dagmar | That won't stop addons from being able to see the numbers assigned, figure out weightings, and go right back to showing you an ilevel |
| 23:30.43 | Dagmar | There's no point |
| 23:30.46 | Dagmar | Fix the players |
| 23:30.53 | Lopeppeppy | I despise movies without subtitles. I'm soooo lazy. |
| 23:30.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, yeah, but it would fix T_C's concerns as far as practical |
| 23:30.57 | Dagmar | ...because you sure as hell can't fix *math* |
| 23:30.59 | Amarande | not that it would fix them, of course |
| 23:31.06 | Amarande | since you can't exactly fix it without hiding the stat bonuses on gear entirely |
| 23:31.09 | Amarande | which would just be fail and suck |
| 23:31.11 | airtonix | what is the word for excluding someone from a group ? |
| 23:31.16 | Amarande | besides, people would just equip and unequip stuff to tell |
| 23:31.18 | airtonix | ostricsize ? |
| 23:31.22 | Amarande | airtonix: ostracize |
| 23:31.23 | Amarande | Heya Peppy. :) |
| 23:31.26 | Dagmar | ostracise |
| 23:31.31 | Lopeppeppy | heya, Amarande. |
| 23:31.32 | airtonix | ostrich head |
| 23:32.35 | Fisker | i should sleep Lopeppeppy |
| 23:32.42 | Dagmar | I was thinking about saying 'black ball' but I don't want Sharpton talking smack about me on CNN. |
| 23:33.05 | Lopeppeppy | you should, Fisker. My nap was glorious. |
| 23:33.07 | cybermind | or have that "from gs to gents" sue you for trademark infringement |
| 23:33.12 | cybermind | that guy from* |
| 23:33.29 | airtonix | Dagmar, this reveals many things about you |
| 23:34.24 | airtonix | i fear i will never leave stage 4 |
| 23:34.35 | airtonix | it ends with apathy |
| 23:35.24 | Amarande | and yeah, T_C, even if you took out visible ilvl entirely, you could still calculate it |
| 23:35.47 | Amarande | plus the particular way LK cut off old tenches makes it rather a pain on rapid-leveling people |
| 23:35.49 | Thunder_Child | WELL NO, YOU WOULD BE GUESSING |
| 23:35.54 | Thunder_Child | sorry |
| 23:36.14 | Amarande | if it was a straight "classic and BC gear can receive temporary enchants, LK and Cata gear cannot" there might be less need for ilvl |
| 23:36.14 | bleeter | MOAR CAPS |
| 23:36.29 | tekkub | it'd still be easy to guess |
| 23:36.35 | Amarande | however, instead they decided to make it "Classic, BC, and low to mid level LK gear can, mid to high level LK and Cata gear cannot" |
| 23:36.37 | tekkub | take all items dropped in raid X |
| 23:36.42 | tekkub | calculate ilvl |
| 23:36.44 | tekkub | average |
| 23:36.52 | tekkub | there's usually only a few ilvls per raid |
| 23:37.06 | Amarande | Mind you, for NON quest reward items, it's fairly easy to tell, since it appears that tenches work on stuff needing 70-74 fairly uniformly and 75+ not |
| 23:37.15 | Amarande | but for quest reward items you need an ilvl to be able to tell that stuff |
| 23:37.52 | airtonix | you know one of the good things about aion ? |
| 23:38.12 | Lopeppeppy | It's short to type? |
| 23:38.15 | airtonix | well yes |
| 23:38.17 | tekkub | there are good things about aion? |
| 23:38.23 | airtonix | not reallyu |
| 23:38.27 | Dagmar | The bots are easy to kill? |
| 23:38.27 | airtonix | except this |
| 23:38.33 | airtonix | there is no damage meters |
| 23:38.39 | tekkub | yet |
| 23:38.52 | Dagmar | Just stop playing with meter maids, man |
| 23:38.52 | airtonix | and addons are not permitted |
| 23:39.04 | tekkub | that didn't stop people in FFXI |
| 23:39.08 | airtonix | meter maids and sexual addons |
| 23:39.21 | tekkub | wow has spoiled me |
| 23:39.22 | Dagmar | Addons aren't, but bots are. Interesting |
| 23:39.28 | tekkub | I can't play a game where I can fix the UI |
| 23:39.32 | airtonix | depressing |
| 23:39.35 | Dagmar | airstonix: "sexual" addons? |
| 23:39.36 | tekkub | it just pisses me off till I stop playing |
| 23:39.45 | Amarande | NOOOOOOO |
| 23:39.51 | Amarande | there's a dirge's chimaerok recipe on AH |
| 23:39.53 | Amarande | and I can't afford it :( |
| 23:39.54 | Amarande | 6500g |
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| 23:40.02 | bleeter | lol |
| 23:40.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: Jees just go get the thing |
| 23:40.09 | foxlit | Get deeper pockets. |
| 23:40.16 | airtonix | tekkub, i eventually worked out that the UI was just an xml layout |
| 23:40.18 | bleeter | MOAR POACKETS |
| 23:40.25 | Dagmar | I helped a guildie with that back in the fall. It's not *that* tedious |
| 23:41.37 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:41.40 | Amarande | if I'm going to level the druid balance |
| 23:41.48 | Amarande | should I bother looking for spellpower LW items in the 20s and 30s |
| 23:41.57 | Amarande | or should I just suck it up and go over to the tailor and make the best cloth I can? |
| 23:42.07 | Amarande | (and will I be leveling most of old world in cloth?) |
| 23:42.32 | Amarande | I know balance used to have to pretty much level in cloth to 60, but I'm not sure how much that's still the case |
| 23:43.00 | bleeter | just take any old crap 'til mid 70's :P |
| 23:43.29 | Dagmar | Yeah until 40 I generally just wear quest rewards |
| 23:43.53 | Dagmar | At 40 I start beating on the AH for new gear whenever I get done talking to the trainer |
| 23:44.18 | Dagmar | ...as opposed to just mailing green drops I can't use to my AH alt and having him list them in bulk lots |
| 23:44.20 | Amarande | wonders if I should expect to be unusually squishy as a Balance Druid in cloth, then ... |
| 23:44.26 | Amarande | pre-40 anyway when you get the armor boost from boomkin form |
| 23:44.42 | Amarande | I'm sure they must have figured in that you were expected to have the higher armor of leather when balancing survivability ... |
| 23:44.59 | Amarande | although I can probably get 200-300 extra health from enchants if it's a problem |
| 23:45.45 | Amarande | BTW: should we expect even the G5 quests in Icecrown to be cinch solos once we hit 85, due to the "everyone will have 50,000 health" bit? |
| 23:46.44 | Lopeppeppy | 50K health and a million dollars. |
| 23:46.44 | Lopeppeppy | Pee gold |
| 23:48.24 | Dagmar | Considering I'm somewhat shakily soloing some of them already at 80? Probably |
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| 23:50.16 | airtonix | Dagmar, what are your thoughts on reconstructor.org |
| 23:51.40 | Dagmar | I hope the guy running the site finds it useful |
| 23:52.13 | Dagmar | I get the feeling a lot of his other users will be the typical pirate noobs who just want to stick their name on everything |
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| 23:53.02 | Dagmar | I don't think it's going to result in some massive-flood of one-off distros and epic support problems |
| 23:58.02 | airtonix | have you used remastersys ? |
