IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100514

`00:05.03`	`*** join/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight)`
`00:05.03`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ`
`00:10.39`	`Fisker`	`i hate macs ckknight`
`00:10.45`	`ckknight`	`k`
`00:11.19`	`Fisker`	`staem crashed on my mac`
`00:11.24`	`Fisker`	`and then i couldn't login on my pc`
`00:11.25`	`Fisker`	`:(`
`00:15.09`	`*** join/#wowuidev Tuller_ (~Tuller@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net)`
`00:15.52`	`*** join/#wowuidev Tuller__ (~Tuller@c-69-143-56-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net)`
`00:20.36`	`Mr_Rabies`	`hrm`
`00:21.06`	`Mr_Rabies`	`is there a simple addon that just puts a colored halo effect around items based on their quality, like the base UI now does for Quest Items?`
`00:24.37`	`Grum`	`Mr_Rabies: oGlow`
`00:24.54`	`Mr_Rabies`	`awesome`
`00:25.05`	`Mr_Rabies`	`i knew it had to exist, it was a feature of ...baggins i think?`
`00:25.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`among others`
`00:25.26`	`Mr_Rabies`	`though it's pretty outdated whoa`
`00:25.33`	`Mr_Rabies`	`2008, will that still even work with wow? :O`
`00:29.55`	`WobWork`	`yeah`
`00:30.11`	`WobWork`	`I'm abusing the code terribly for a MrPlow gui`
`00:32.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`wtb NPC's that do not monologue`
`00:33.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's like listening to 3rd rate supervilians without then entertainment`
`00:33.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/then/the/`
`00:37.33`	`WobWork`	`ironic: http://screencast.com/t/ZTYxMjhmZm`
`00:56.03`	`kd3`	`sigh. spam from blizz for RaF?`
`00:57.14`	`WobWork`	`kd3: yeah`
`00:59.25`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (~Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa)`
`00:59.45`	`kd3`	`oh, neat. they just had a thing on 'FigurePrints' on how it's made`
`01:16.14`	`Nechckn`	`kd3 Saw that one a few days back. At first I was like.. Oh, great, 3d printer... yawn. Then I saw what they were printing and giggled. ;-)`
`01:16.29`	`kd3`	`ya`
`01:16.34`	`kd3`	`wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise ;)`
`01:17.17`	`Nechckn`	`Nothing like actually seeing how little effort goes into the thing you are paying a premium to obtain, though.`
`01:17.28`	`Nechckn`	`(Or, other people, at least.)`
`01:24.17`	`*** join/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@c-98-239-20-229.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)`
`01:24.17`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ`
`01:30.35`	`*** join/#wowuidev L4x4t0r (~dada@AMontsouris-153-1-94-89.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`01:35.09`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kemayo (~kemayo@adsl-76-214-62-176.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net)`
`01:36.07`	`*** join/#wowuidev Olison (olison@fukdruidsgrr.org)`
`01:36.17`	`*** join/#wowuidev Thrae (~ircuser@generalmx-1-pt.tunnel.tserv13.ash1.ipv6.he.net)`
`01:44.24`	`*** join/#wowuidev Jamash (~chatzilla@99-92-174-69.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net)`
`01:54.42`	`Adys`	`[01:20:59] <Mr_Rabies> is there a simple addon that just puts a colored halo effect around items based on their quality, like the base UI now does for Quest Items?`
`01:54.46`	`Adys`	`Mr_Rabies: bagnon`
`01:54.49`	`Adys`	`get version 1`
`01:54.57`	`Adys`	`and stop using the base ui's bags.`
`01:57.31`	`*** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)`
`01:57.31`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ`
`02:00.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`except thats not what he asked Adys`
`02:03.03`	`Dagmar`	`ArkInventory can do that`
`02:03.22`	`Dagmar`	`IIRC OneBag did too but it's been a long time since I've used that`
`02:03.37`	`Dagmar`	`About the only think ArkInventory can't do is sort items according to flavor`
`02:03.52`	`Dagmar`	`...unless, of course, you spend a lot of time licking the screen and cataloging the icons by what they tasted like.`
`02:04.18`	`Dagmar`	`At that point you should probably get a hobby outside the house.`
`02:04.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`if rarity == flavor then it can`
`02:05.15`	`Dagmar`	`See also http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/01/11/i-has-a-flavor-2/`
`02:05.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, i refuse to go to that site`
`02:05.43`	`Dagmar`	`but it haz kitaens!`
`02:06.12`	`Dagmar`	`Man I had to check my blood sugar after hitting CuteOverload today`
`02:16.34`	`Kraps`	`Dagmar: the snozberries taste like snozberries`
`02:17.18`	`Dagmar`	`OMG alternate-Olivia is HAWT`
`02:17.25`	`Dagmar`	`Kraps: That's the general idea, yeah`
`02:17.51`	`Kraps`	`Dagmar: theres an alternate-Olivia?!`
`02:18.22`	`Dagmar`	`Oh yes`
`02:19.45`	`Dagmar`	`I trust you watch Fringe?`
`02:19.55`	`Kraps`	`i dont really watch Fringe but i saw the one where the doc explains how he got his alt-son`
`02:20.14`	`Kraps`	`and the one leading up to that one`
`02:20.15`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah this episode they apparently take a bit of a field trip to the other side to get him back (or try to)`
`02:20.34`	`Kraps`	`but hes dead...`
`02:20.59`	`Kraps`	`oh wait`
`02:21.00`	`Dagmar`	`No, he was sort of stolen from the other place, rmemeber?`
`02:21.11`	`Kraps`	`right`
`02:21.37`	`Kraps`	`so who tries to get him back?`
`02:21.52`	`Jamash`	`fringe is that show that's the same as the x-files, except for, wait, no, it really is the same as the x-files, right?`
`02:22.07`	`Dagmar`	`It's more focused than the X-files`
`02:22.27`	`Dagmar`	`There's really just the alternate universe that's the source of all the freaky`
`02:22.40`	`Kraps`	`i hope they explain the Observer crap`
`02:22.56`	`Dagmar`	`I think they already explained the n-dimensional beings as well as they're going to`
`02:23.49`	`Kraps`	`so what happens with peter?`
`02:24.06`	`Dagmar`	`1. That would be a spoiler. and 2. I dunno yet I'm still watchin'`
`02:24.13`	`Kraps`	`whos really alt-peter`
`02:24.17`	`Dagmar`	`Yes`
`02:24.54`	`Kraps`	`whos trying to get him back?`
`02:25.01`	`Dagmar`	`Our-Walter`
`02:25.46`	`Kraps`	`hmm, missed the part where he went back to alt-verse`
`02:26.25`	`Dagmar`	`it was the retro episode`
`02:27.16`	`Kraps`	`wikis`
`02:27.25`	`*** join/#wowuidev Natch (~natch@c-97cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`02:27.42`	`Dagmar`	`Walter hasn't been back over there since he "borrowed" Peter`
`02:28.13`	`Kraps`	`ok`
`02:28.55`	`*** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar (~sylvanaar@cpe-098-122-156-080.nc.res.rr.com)`
`02:28.58`	`*** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar (~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar)`
`02:29.05`	`*** part/#wowuidev Natch (~natch@c-97cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`02:29.24`	`*** join/#wowuidev Natch\| (~natch@c-97cde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`02:31.17`	`*** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan (~xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan)`
`02:33.54`	`Kraps`	`whoa http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t1fF8IXJ-xJycjxizYU2o9w&output=html`
`02:34.49`	`Dagmar`	`Bitey-er pets! =)`
`02:35.59`	`sylvanaar`	`who has not seen this`
`02:36.01`	`sylvanaar`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugV6cLgwomo&feature=player_embedded`
`02:36.11`	`sylvanaar`	`that is so much win`
`02:36.50`	`Dagmar`	`I haven't seen it.`
`02:36.56`	`sylvanaar`	`watch it`
`02:36.58`	`sylvanaar`	`its funny`
`02:37.03`	`Dagmar`	`Thankfully the department of homeland security probably hasn't seen it either`
`02:37.44`	`Torhal`	`sylvanaar: I showed that to my son a couple of months ago - he watched it four times in a row.`
`02:37.57`	`sylvanaar`	`i just watched it 3 times`
`02:40.03`	`WobWork`	`wait what`
`02:40.07`	`WobWork`	`resto shaman deep healing`
`02:40.10`	`WobWork`	`affects our hots?`
`02:40.18`	`WobWork`	`we... only have -one- hot =P`
`02:40.45`	`WobWork`	`are they turning us into druids?`
`02:40.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`i wonder how much rendering time they spent on that`
`02:40.58`	`sylvanaar`	`alot`
`02:41.12`	`sylvanaar`	`i love pac-man`
`02:43.07`	`Seerah`	`heh, I like the latest comment: "End of theï»¿ world: Apixelypse."`
`02:43.31`	`Seerah`	`oh, not latest, jsut highest rated.`
`02:43.40`	`Seerah`	`is still getting used to the new YouTube layout....`
`02:44.49`	`Kraps`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LIpAxjPt9U&feature=player_embedded`
`02:45.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`i dont think people understand what HD means, one of the related's for that video was it in 'full HD' so it was 1080p, but i could still see compression artifacts so i know the person had to of just upscaled it`
`02:46.09`	`Dagmar`	`Of course they don't.`
`02:46.27`	`Dagmar`	`Every TV and media manfuacturer are working overtime to represent it as whatever the hell they're selling right then`
`02:47.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`points to 'HD' radio`
`02:47.25`	`Dagmar`	`That actually almost qualifies as a resonable use`
`02:47.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`no it doesnt`
`02:47.50`	`Dagmar`	`FM actually has slightly less bandwidth than a CD`
`02:49.29`	`Xinhuan`	`is there a _free_ software that can write redbook audio to _DVDs_? google isn't helping`
`02:49.43`	`Dagmar`	`Oh the problem goes deeper than that`
`02:50.01`	`Dagmar`	`Check Wikipedia for details on audio DVD formats`
`02:50.37`	`Dagmar`	`...just forget about the word "redbook". That only really applies to audio CDs`
`02:50.54`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm not interested in DVD-audio formats`
`02:51.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`what are you trying to do?`
`02:51.13`	`Dagmar`	`You can't just treat a DVD as a bigger type of CD.`
`02:51.15`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm trying to create a DVD that works like a standard music cd`
`02:51.16`	`Dagmar`	`Nothing will be able to read it`
`02:51.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah cant do that`
`02:51.30`	`Xinhuan`	`you sure on that?`
`02:51.31`	`Dagmar`	`There's a few formats that can be played tho and have the capabilities you're looking for`
`02:51.34`	`Dagmar`	`Very sure.`
`02:51.48`	`Dagmar`	`I mastered a few discs of each type just to see if I could a few years ago`
`02:51.53`	`Jamash`	`can I write a floppy disc that plays on a record player?`
`02:52.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`there is no standard other than dvd-audio`
`02:52.07`	`Dagmar`	`Jamash: If you got a really thick one maybe`
`02:52.10`	`Xinhuan`	`cos there's this radio a neighbour has that can play DVDs but i have no clue what type of DVDs it can play`
`02:52.22`	`Dagmar`	`Xinhuan: Hence check Wikipedia`
`02:52.32`	`Dagmar`	`It explains which formats DVD players are most likely to be able to understand`
`02:52.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`but the good news is that dvd-audio's drm was broken in 2005 or so there might be programs to create them`
`02:52.43`	`Dagmar`	`They can be burned with "regular" Linux tools once you've figured them out`
`02:53.13`	`Xinhuan`	`its even harder to explain to my 65 year computer illiterate parents why a dvd player can't be made to play a DVD with music on it`
`02:53.28`	`Dagmar`	`This is why you check Wikipedia, figure out the format you need, and then burn one`
`02:53.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio`
`02:54.01`	`Xinhuan`	`i decided to burn what they want on 2 CDs instead of wasting 5 hours figuring out conversions`
`02:54.23`	`Dagmar`	`You read that slow?`
`02:54.38`	`Xinhuan`	`no, my parents can't understand why`
`02:54.43`	`Xinhuan`	`you can't make a redbook dvd`
`02:55.29`	`Dagmar`	`That there's no redbook DVD format has a lot to do with it`
`02:55.46`	`Xinhuan`	`they don't even understand what "music formats" are, that's the problem`
`02:55.51`	`Dagmar`	`Hell, if you have windows, spend a few minutes prodding Nero or whatever came with your drive`
`02:55.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`because redbook is a horrible horrible standard that needs to die`
`02:56.02`	`Xinhuan`	`to them, its "CD can hold 80 minutes of music" and DVD can hold 4x that`
`02:56.08`	`Xinhuan`	`so why can't it be done`
`02:56.26`	`Dagmar`	`Because you're too damn stubborn to read WikiPedia.`
`02:56.36`	`Xinhuan`	`that's not the point`
`02:56.40`	`Xinhuan`	`they dont' speak english`
`02:56.51`	`Dagmar`	`You need to teach them how to do it?`
`02:57.15`	`Xinhuan`	`no, they are insisting it can be done`
`02:57.17`	`Dagmar`	`Audio DVDs are not that common. A bigger speed bump is going to be verifying what their equipment will recognize.`
`02:57.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio#DVD-Audio_authoring_software`
`02:57.39`	`Dagmar`	`Xinhuan: It's time you had a talk with your parents about you knowing more tech than they do.`
`02:57.42`	`Jamash`	`some dvd players can play mp3s`
`02:57.46`	`Arrowmaster`	`unless its really really old dvd player, it will read it`
`02:58.02`	`Dagmar`	`Mine don't argue with me anymore about that because they've seen me basically do the impossible too many times.`
`02:59.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah the hardware that can read files on a data disc probably confuses a lot of people since those are completely non standard and it completely depends on the player for if it will read it`
`03:00.34`	`Dagmar`	`That's true. It's probably at least worth a shot to just lob a bunch of mp3s into a data DVD and shove it in the player`
`03:00.48`	`Dagmar`	`The cheaper a unit is--oddly--the more likely it'll play a disc like that`
`03:00.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`03:01.00`	`Xinhuan`	`i'm tempted to try that but i don't really want to waste a DVD-R lol`
`03:01.07`	`Dagmar`	`Get some DVD-RW's`
`03:01.21`	`Dagmar`	`THey're expensive but I bought a dozen in 2000 and I've not had any fail uet`
`03:01.26`	`Dagmar`	`Handy for experimenting`
`03:01.28`	`Xinhuan`	`not sure if it can even read mp3s, or wmas`
`03:01.38`	`Dagmar`	`It's more likely they'll read mp3 than WMA`
`03:01.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`do you know what model the player is?`
`03:01.54`	`Xinhuan`	`no`
`03:01.54`	`Dagmar`	`The cheap-ass DVD player I have here will read and play data DVDs with mp3's on them`
`03:02.00`	`Xinhuan`	`otherwise i wouldn't be so frustrated`
`03:02.01`	`Dagmar`	`I spent $30 on it`
`03:02.01`	`Xinhuan`	`=.=`
`03:02.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`reading the manual usually answers all these hard questions`
`03:02.25`	`Dagmar`	`Well, that and lookign for logos on the unit`
`03:02.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`well the only important logo would be DivX`
`03:02.55`	`Dagmar`	`Well, if you want to play pirated movies, sure.`
`03:03.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`and maybe DVD-Audio if theres even a logo for that`
`03:03.23`	`Dagmar`	`What came with mine kinda stretches the definition of "flyer". Half a page.`
`03:03.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`the rest would be on everything`
`03:03.58`	`Dagmar`	`Looking at the front of the thing tho, embossed on it is "MP3/WMA/DVDR"`
`03:04.57`	`Dagmar`	`I'm not joking about the cheaper the player thing. That struck me as really odd when cheap and hackable units first started appearing in stores`
`03:05.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`mine has a DVD-Video, Dolby Digital, DTS, and VHS logos`
`03:05.37`	`Dagmar`	`A high end Sony unit would play DVDs only for $400 while an $110 piece of plastic from Taiwan would play anything you stuffed in it`
`03:06.01`	`Iriel`	`Dagmar: So true`
`03:06.01`	`Dagmar`	`This is part of the reason I've not personally written China off entirely.`
`03:06.10`	`Jerub`	`there's some awesome stuff coming out of china`
`03:06.16`	`Dagmar`	`Asia-pac countries still do a hell of a job of packing functionality into things`
`03:06.16`	`Iriel`	`And an even higher end denon would claim to play the same DVD's as the sony, but actually crash on 10% of them`
`03:06.17`	`Jerub`	`want a HD camcorder?`
`03:06.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`but my dvd player is from before any standalone player could play anything other than DVD-Video and DVD-Audio`
`03:06.59`	`Jerub`	`http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/1080p-hd-camcorder-with-touchscreen-and-5x-optical-zoom/`
`03:06.59`	`Dagmar`	`They're all like "Screw licencing, screw standards, we make s**t work"`
`03:07.45`	`Dagmar`	`Sunplus doesn't have the beef to decompress video/audio? No problem... bend some standards and voila you have a $5 digital video player`
`03:08.18`	`Jerub`	`Dagmar: actually, mostly it's, "oh wow, our factory is making these gizmos for $40 and they're being sold for $400? sweet. Lets make more, get parts cheaper, and sell them for $100 and make them for $30.`
`03:08.41`	`Jerub`	`I love sites like chinavasion`
`03:09.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`why do i get the impression that the video camera you linked records in interlaced`
`03:10.40`	`Arrowmaster`	`although i think most digital camcorders still fucking record in interlaced`
`03:10.50`	`Jamash`	`interlacing must die`
`03:11.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`Resolution: FHD(1920X1080)30FPS @ 30FPS, HD (1280x720) @ 30FPS, WVGA (848x480) @ 60FPS, WEB (320x240) @ 30 FPS`
`03:11.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`but yeah its not like you can record 1920x1080@30fps onto any media`
`03:17.55`	`Jerub`	`Arrowmaster: you can record it compressed, surely.`
`03:18.07`	`Jerub`	`Arrowmaster: i assume they're just hooking up h264 chips inside`
`03:18.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`you cant record it onto a bluray for example`
`03:19.34`	`Jerub`	`Arrowmaster: bluray is just a transport mechanism between movie companies and scene rippers, isn't it/`
`03:19.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`bluray only allows 23.976 and 24 fps (supposedly, i still have never seen any definitive proof that anybody really uses 24fps and believe its just stupid people rounding it)`
`03:21.23`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (~Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa)`
`03:23.22`	`Seerah`	`ties Lunessa to the channel`
`03:23.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah just checked, every bluray rip i have is 23.976fps, i dont even think 24fps is allowed on blurays and wikipedia is just wrong on that`
`03:24.17`	`*** join/#wowuidev olafski (~egrimm@dream.student.utwente.nl)`
`03:24.34`	`Jamash`	`hooray for compatibility`
`03:26.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok just checked and the whitepapers actually do list both 24p and 23.976p, but i have no fucking clue why since nobody uses 24p`
`03:31.48`	`*** join/#wowuidev NeoTron (~neotron@pool-173-64-144-164.sttlwa.fios.verizon.net)`
`03:31.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`heh, and the 3d part of the bluray whitepaper only lists 1920x1080@23.976p x2, 1280x720@59.94p x2, and 1280x720@50p x2`
`03:32.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`so i guess they even realized that nothing fucking uses 24fps so it doesnt need to be supported`
`03:47.09`	`*** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@68-191-37-155.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com)`
`03:47.26`	`Amarande`	`okay ... I never had much faith in it, but tonight I officially have lost all faith in Thunderbird's scam/phishing detection feature`
`03:47.52`	`Amarande`	`Over the past several months, I have received a fair number of email attempts on my virtual life in Azeroth, aka account scams.`
`03:48.19`	`Amarande`	`Thunderbird has never warned about a single one.`
`03:48.35`	`Amarande`	`Tonight, I received an actual official email from Blizzard, advertising RAF and telling me about the new nether-rocket.`
`03:48.42`	`Amarande`	`Thunderbird marks THIS message as "this message may be a scam."`
`03:48.45`	`Amarande`	`:\|`
`03:48.56`	`Amarande`	`WTF.`
`04:06.49`	`Amarande`	`heh, now that's what you call good luck. you log off a character because you can't find a quest mob, forget about her for a few days and log back in to be in combat with the very quest mob :)`
`04:07.28`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lunessa_ (~Lunessa@c-98-198-73-111.hsd1.tx.comcast.net)`
`04:12.17`	`Amarande`	`hmm, is this a bug or something else?`
`04:12.33`	`Amarande`	`my level 21 warrior took a +8 strength elixir, and it says 2 hours remaining even though the elixir says on it "for 1 hour"`
`04:12.52`	`Amarande`	`or is that what mixology does for lowbies?`
`04:16.46`	`Amarande`	`ooh, and it gives +13 rather than +8, but the buff tooltip didn't mention that. :)`
`04:16.49`	`Amarande`	`shiny.`
`04:17.03`	`Amarande`	`on a related point, I have got to set aside my DK now and level the warrior (alchemist) to 35 :P`
`04:18.10`	`WobWork`	`Amarande: that's is what mixology does`
`04:18.58`	`Amarande`	`woot, wonder how much extra HP I'll get from the hp elixir`
`04:19.08`	`Amarande`	`not that I'll know for a few more levels since apparently I need to be level 25 or so to use that one`
`04:19.23`	`Amarande`	`as for why I need to level my warrior soon, that's a simple matter of space`
`04:19.45`	`Amarande`	`my DK took herbalism and skinning, so I've been sending all the herbs and leathers to my warrior (alch) and druid (LW) whenever I hit a mailbox`
`04:19.53`	`Amarande`	`Amalanya's bank is nearly full :\|`
`04:20.04`	`Amarande`	`and I need to be level 35 to do the next alchemy grind heh`
`04:20.33`	`*** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@c-98-239-20-229.hsd1.tn.comcast.net)`
`04:20.37`	`Amarande`	`wait, make that "is full" after I send her over the elements from my miner`
`04:29.58`	`Amarande`	`dammit, so many mats, so few bags`
`04:30.25`	`Amarande`	`but once I hit 35, I can grind alchemy to 300 and then azerothian mats are for Delissa to worry about finding room for`
`04:30.40`	`Amarande`	`and then once Delissa gets to 35, I can grind inscription to 300 and then azerothian mats are simply mad bank`
`04:30.46`	`Amarande`	`actually, hmmmm`
`04:31.09`	`Amarande`	`should I sell them now, though, or should I wait for Cata to come out so I can take advantage of the smaller variety of places to farm some old world stuff to make even more moolah :D`
`04:31.55`	`WobWork`	`you'll be waiting a while for cata`
`04:32.03`	`WobWork`	`it's not coming out in the next month`
`04:41.04`	`ZorbaBeta`	`also, when cataclysm hits, a whole pile of people are going to be leveling new characters for one reason or another`
`04:41.26`	`ZorbaBeta`	`I've found it to be generally not worthwhile trying to predict future market costs.`
`04:41.33`	`tekkub`	`s/characters/worgen/`
`04:41.57`	`tekkub`	`s/for one reason or another/because they can't get sparklevampires/`
`04:47.36`	`Kraps`	`is 2300 sp enough to heal voa?`
`04:47.50`	`Amarande`	`Kraps: 10 or 25?`
`04:47.54`	`Kraps`	`10`
`04:48.01`	`Amarande`	`also remember, VoA is by design made for substandard players and bad PUGs`
`04:48.07`	`Kraps`	`disc priest`
`04:48.35`	`Amarande`	`tekkub: s/characters/goblins/ you mean?`
`04:48.58`	`Amarande`	`or do you expect that Worgen vs. Goblin is going to result in an even greater number of Horde players deserting us for the blue team?`
`04:49.15`	`WobWork`	`woblin`
`04:49.52`	`WobWork`	`Kraps: probably fine`
`04:49.59`	`WobWork`	`Kraps: just bubblespam`
`04:50.05`	`WobWork`	`and don't stand in crap`
`04:50.35`	`WobWork`	`I found I got terribly distracted maintaining bubbles on everyone I could, that I'd miss debuffs on the ground`
`04:50.37`	`Amarande`	`yeah, it's not like voa bosses are that hard`
`04:50.44`	`Amarande`	`they're made by design to be loot pinatas`
`04:50.56`	`Amarande`	`otherwise, only hardcore raiders with great skill and gear would care about WG at all`
`04:51.23`	`WobWork`	`sigh, my spriest has terrible dps`
`04:51.29`	`WobWork`	`and I dunno what I can do to up it`
`04:51.42`	`Amarande`	`Wob: reroll hunter`
`04:51.44`	`Kraps`	`hit`
`04:51.55`	`WobWork`	`Kraps: capped`
`04:51.58`	`WobWork`	`fairly much`
`04:52.05`	`Amarande`	`honestly, I've never really seen anyone have much trouble with bosses in voa, unless the dps aren't on the ball with the target switching on the dammit I forget what the lightningy one's name that spawns adds is`
`04:52.06`	`WobWork`	`Amarande: and level up as a dps, good god =(`
`04:52.06`	`Kraps`	`sp then`
`04:52.28`	`Amarande`	`Wob: ah, that would depend, then`
`04:52.29`	`WobWork`	`Amarande: *alon`
`04:52.41`	`Amarande`	`if you want to level up through instances, you might not want to level as dps :(`
`04:52.52`	`Amarande`	`maybe level a paladin as tank and go ret at 80, then?`
`04:52.56`	`WobWork`	`well, how else am I supposed to level? =)`
`04:53.02`	`Amarande`	`questing? :)`
`04:53.08`	`WobWork`	`pft`
`04:53.18`	`WobWork`	`who does -that- nowadays?`
`04:53.22`	`Amarande`	`but yeah, you could level shaman or paladin as healer/tank and then go dps at 80`
`04:53.39`	`Jerub`	`lol levelling as dps`
`04:53.51`	`Amarande`	`or druid, but cat dps feels like watered down rogue :P`
`04:53.56`	`Jerub`	`i hate seeing ret pallys, boomkins, shadow priests, etc.`
`04:54.12`	`Amarande`	`Jerub: let's put it this way, my druid is leveling as boomkin. :)`
`04:54.16`	`Jerub`	`Amarande: cat dps gets pretty much on par with rogue at 75+`
`04:54.27`	`Amarande`	`Jerub: I mean watered down in terms of playstyle, not DPS itself`
`04:54.38`	`Jerub`	`When i think about fail, i think about Amarande.`
`04:54.48`	`Amarande`	`anyway there is a good reason for me leveling my druid as boomkin`
`04:55.11`	`Amarande`	`I was going to level as cat, until I started a rogue and realized that everything cat can do, rogue can have more fun doing :\|`
`04:55.15`	`Amarande`	`(at least once I hit 20 and rogue stopped sucking)`
`04:55.35`	`Jerub`	`Amarande: rogue can't suddenly transform to a warrior with 4 easy to hit buttons.`
`04:56.11`	*** join/#wowuidev vince` (vince@adsl-99-50-125-81.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
`04:56.31`	`Amarande`	`well ... so my other options are resto, boomkin and bear`
`04:56.32`	`Amarande`	`let's see`
`04:56.56`	`Amarande`	`resto ... ehh. if I really feel like healing, I'll hop on my disc priest. and I'm already thinking of leveling my shaman as resto when cata comes out (want to be a goblin, so can't start it now)`
`04:57.11`	`Amarande`	`bear ... ehh. I've discovered I fail at tanking, unless I am on a prot pally`
`04:57.21`	`Amarande`	`so boomkin it is`
`04:57.29`	`Jerub`	`When i think about fail, i think about Amarande.`
`04:57.40`	`Amarande`	`Jerub: you already said that.`
`04:58.40`	`Jerub`	`c+p saved typing`
`05:01.18`	`Amarande`	`but anyway. if I don't want to non-pally tank, don't want to heal on every class who can, and don't enjoy cat gameplay style`
`05:01.28`	`Amarande`	`what else do I have left to DO on my druid but fat owl :)`
`05:01.48`	`Amarande`	`granted, I'll probably get a heal dual spec at some point down the line`
`05:02.01`	`Amarande`	`but I don't want to be a full-time healer my whole way up the levels`
`05:02.25`	`Amarande`	`and "at some point down the line" is still quite a while`
`05:02.45`	`Amarande`	`in particular, I at least need to see everyone through to 77 with flying mounts and northrend flying before I'm going to worry about spending all that money on dual spec`
`05:03.02`	`Amarande`	`which reminds me, I think I was about to hit the AH and buy the parts for my hunter's roflcopter before I got distracted :S`
`05:03.30`	`Amarande`	`doing it nao, while all the parts still give skill points too`
`05:03.53`	`Amarande`	`since apparently engineering is particularly nyaah nyaah FUCK U PLAYER if you don't get the good points when you can :)`
`05:04.33`	`Amarande`	`"what's that, you made something too soon/didn't take advantage of this point opportunity? Hope you like getting the next ten points off green recipes SUCKER"`
`05:05.13`	`Amarande`	`for all I've complained in the past about jewelcrafting, I have to very much love the fact that far as I can recall you are never, ever stuck with that on JC. :)`
`05:05.48`	`WobWork`	`at the end`
`05:05.54`	`WobWork`	`when you're grinding skyflare diamonds`
`05:06.19`	`Amarande`	`Wob: if you're leveling several alts, you can get those last few points on the epic rings/neckpieces to give them nice starter jewelry at 80 :)`
`05:06.35`	`Amarande`	`I should be able to at least get 448 and 449 off of the impact band and impact choker for my DK`
`05:06.38`	`WobWork`	`still pretty horrific`
`05:06.45`	`Amarande`	`then 450 will probably come from another ring or neckpiece for one of the others`
`05:06.45`	`WobWork`	`took me ages in the end to get to 450`
`05:06.57`	`Amarande`	`really the cost of the mats is the only suckage at 440+, if you go that way`
`05:07.08`	`WobWork`	`yeah`
`05:07.12`	`Amarande`	`and it's not so bad as some professions have it`
`05:07.19`	`Jerub`	`yeah, the alchemist/jc synergy was awful`
`05:07.21`	`WobWork`	`recalls BS final levelling`
`05:07.23`	`Amarande`	`seeing as 1) JC uses raw titanium rather than titansteel like everyone else is stuck with`
`05:07.29`	`Amarande`	`2) frozen orbs are cheap now`
`05:07.31`	`Jerub`	`i fortunately had guildmates who were levelling alchemy at the time.`
`05:07.39`	`Amarande`	`the dragon's eyes are really the only OMGexpensive bit`
`05:07.45`	`Jerub`	`frozen orbs are a 1 a day thing`
`05:07.50`	`WobWork`	`alchemy ->450 was pretty easy actually`
`05:07.55`	`WobWork`	`Just had to grind up on the flasks`
`05:08.01`	`Amarande`	`if you're not patient enough to wait 4 days for each item you're making/still want to buy cuts`
`05:08.05`	`Jerub`	`dragon's eyes are cheap compared to other mats.`
`05:08.13`	`WobWork`	`and transmuting saronite to titanium`
`05:08.17`	`Amarande`	`(and "still want to buy cuts" applies here, since having not hit 450 yet I have NO epic cuts)`
`05:08.22`	`WobWork`	`that's a good 10-15 levels there`
`05:08.42`	`Amarande`	`and really, the main gripe I have with JC is that we haven't been showered in love at each tier like the other professions, more than anything else`
`05:08.47`	`Amarande`	`T8, we got epic gems`
`05:08.50`	`Amarande`	`we haven't gotten anything since, though`
`05:08.59`	`WobWork`	`dragon eyes are still pretty epic`
`05:09.05`	`Jerub`	`Amarande: but everyone still wants epic gems.`
`05:09.05`	`Amarande`	`I still think we should at least have got crusader orb/primordial saronite ring/necklace recipes :S`
`05:09.17`	`Amarande`	`as it is, 200 is still the highest craftable jewelry`
`05:09.19`	`Jerub`	`Amarande: it's not like anyone's searching for my starter epic recpiies on trade.`
`05:09.26`	`Jerub`	`but a runed cardinal ruby is still a runed cardinal ruby`
`05:09.38`	`Jerub`	`(my = my LW or BS)`
`05:09.46`	`Amarande`	`I'm still not sure if RCR's are worth the extra cost over scarlet rubies :S`
`05:09.51`	`Jerub`	`and /every/ gear upgrade requires a chanter and a jc`
`05:10.01`	`Jerub`	`neither of which have had new shit since T8`
`05:10.07`	`Amarande`	`how much extra DPS do you actually get on a typical caster by switching each rare gem to epic?`
`05:10.17`	`Amarande`	`I know the boost is a lot more significant for the dragon's eyes, but that's because they're the JC perk`
`05:10.27`	`Jerub`	`Amarande: considering 10 gems in a set, it's like 40 SP`
`05:10.36`	`Amarande`	`40 SP ... = how much DPS, on average?`
`05:10.59`	`Amarande`	`enough that your PUG raid leader is going to notice?`
`05:11.07`	`Amarande`	`and remember, your PUG raid leader hardly ever even looks AT your gear`
`05:11.09`	`Dagmar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:11.24`	`Amarande`	`they just look at your GS, and gems don't even count jack shit for GS`
`05:11.30`	`Jerub`	`dunno. 100? ish`
`05:11.39`	`Amarande`	`GS needs to die in a fire :(`
`05:11.40`	`Jerub`	`Amarande: hell yes i notice people doing shit with gems`
`05:11.44`	`Jerub`	`I use EG`
`05:12.20`	`Amarande`	`it's just like people get into raids regularly with +50 SP on their staves. STAVES.`
`05:12.29`	`Jerub`	`Amarande: the number of times i've basically told people to fuck off when i see they're wearing spell plate or pvp gear`
`05:12.47`	`Jerub`	`or no gems.`
`05:12.55`	`Jerub`	`(or worse, pvp gems)`
`05:13.00`	`WobWork`	`EG is nice for that`
`05:13.03`	`Amarande`	`and 50 SP on a staff is something that probably should actually be given a MUCH more serious look than sub-epic gems, too`
`05:13.04`	`Jerub`	`EG is magic.`
`05:13.14`	`Amarande`	`because that means that not only do they not have 81 SP, but they possibly don't know it exists`
`05:13.21`	`Amarande`	`and if they don't know that, who knows what else they don't know about playing their class?`
`05:13.29`	`Jerub`	`EG is much closer to the 'bring the player' than GS because players who know how to play also know how to gem and enchant`
`05:13.48`	`Amarande`	`I'd even rather see you with 69 SP on a staff than 50.`
`05:13.58`	`Jerub`	`Amarande: why are you still ranting about a solved problem.`
`05:13.58`	`Amarande`	`because that means you at least know about the staff enchants, even if you're too cheap to get the 81.`
`05:14.09`	`Jerub`	`Amarande: elitist group. use it, love it.`
`05:15.45`	`WobWork`	`this ^`
`05:15.57`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: what realm are you on again?`
`05:18.36`	`Kraps`	`what is up with undergeared tanks in PoS? :(`
`05:19.40`	`Kraps`	`flash heal spam doesnt work`
`05:19.52`	`Amarande`	`Kraps: is that the first or the second ICC5, I always forget`
`05:20.00`	`Kraps`	`second`
`05:20.05`	`*** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (~dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal)`
`05:20.05`	`Amarande`	`also: is this normal or heroic?`
`05:20.16`	`Amarande`	`in any case, they probably recently dinged 80 and got put there by randoms`
`05:20.18`	`Kraps`	`heroic`
`05:20.35`	`Amarande`	`if there's one thing I've also noticed lately about randoms`
`05:20.42`	`Amarande`	`it's that you tend to get put in a dungeon you haven't done`
`05:20.46`	`Amarande`	`or maybe that's just the way random rolled on my DK`
`05:21.01`	`Amarande`	`but it seems like every time I level up and qualify to randomly enter a new, previously unseen dungeon`
`05:21.19`	`Amarande`	`since I came to Northrend anyway ... my daily random will, almost as if on cue, be said new dungeon`
`05:21.41`	`Amarande`	`I leveled to 72 and my first daily random was AN ... I leveled to 73 and my first daily random after that was OK ...`
`05:22.02`	`Amarande`	`I'm tempted to bet gold that my next daily random now that I've hit 74 will be DTK`
`05:25.09`	`Jerub`	`Kraps: i took my wife through PoS, she's a pally tank`
`05:25.30`	`Jerub`	`Kraps: my icc25 geared healer had no trouble with healing her through it for gear runs ;)`
`05:26.38`	`Kraps`	`im not icc geared :p`
`05:29.25`	`ZorbaBeta`	`kraps, l2heal keke`
`05:29.50`	`ZorbaBeta`	`in all seriousness, if your dps is competent and you use CC appropriately and blow cooldowns as needed, you shouldn't have too much trouble.`
`05:30.01`	`ZorbaBeta`	`just that most people are used to AOEing everything down and not thinking, and that, y'know, doesn't work.`
`05:31.08`	`Kraps`	`yeah, the dps was lacking`
`05:31.37`	`WobWork`	`anyone got a link to that image of "Tactics in real life, Tactics in gaming"? with the one dude saying "Oh that chess tactic was good! I should remember that" and the gamer going "You need to stop doing that dog move"?`
`05:32.03`	`WobWork`	`Jerub: currently alliance on Nagrand`
`05:32.12`	`WobWork`	`but have horde on Proudmoore`
`05:36.14`	`Amarande`	`Zorba: which is why we have GS`
`05:36.23`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: hm, nagrand.`
`05:36.26`	`Amarande`	`so that people can demand gear levels of "now we can roflstomp everythign without HAVING to think"`
`05:36.34`	`Jerub`	`i've got frineds on nagrand and cael on alliance`
`05:36.38`	`Amarande`	`LFM Naxx! GS 6000+!`
`05:37.10`	`Amarande`	`suspects most such Naxxes tend to break up after they can't find tanks or healers, though :)`
`05:37.44`	`Amarande`	`after all, what competent tank or healer would go for said Naxx, when they can get 20 badges through instant heroic queues in the time it takes for the raid to form :)`
`05:39.23`	`Jerub`	`meh, i've done naxx achievement runs`
`05:39.29`	`Jerub`	`os10/25 is easier to put together tho`
`05:48.24`	`Amarande`	`heh, aren't achievement runs now just 2/16 anyway? :)`
`05:48.35`	`Amarande`	`now that they let you skip straight to sapphiron?`
`05:49.07`	`Amarande`	`and since most folks doing naxx ach runs are probably looking for champion of the frozen wastes titles, and only Kelly counts for the meta ...`
`05:49.19`	`Amarande`	`omg, did I just call him Kelly.`
`05:49.20`	`Amarande`	`:\|`
`05:49.30`	`Amarande`	`my brain is addled because motes of fire are sillily expensive tonight`
`05:50.05`	`Amarande`	`we're talking like 60g for five freaking motes`
`05:50.32`	`Amarande`	`which is why I am now about to L2firesunder`
`05:50.39`	`Amarande`	`because primal fires are only 10g.`
`05:51.06`	`Dagmar`	`That's because no one wants to have to go back to Outlands to collect them`
`05:55.44`	`Kraps`	`http://woweh.com/?p=149`
`05:56.05`	`Dagmar`	`I suspect there's also a crafting group you need to start flogging to chop some primals back into motes for profit (lame as that is)`
`05:58.29`	`Amarande`	`yeah, I never thought those convert primal fire/earth back to motes would ever be useful`
`05:58.32`	`Amarande`	`now I finally found a use for them :)`
`05:58.37`	`Amarande`	`btw, who converts the other elements back to motes?`
`05:58.47`	`Amarande`	`or are only fire and earth convertible both ways?`
`05:59.07`	`Amarande`	`suspects alchemists may do the other ones but hasn't leveled alch high enough to know`
`05:59.19`	`Amarande`	`hell, I only even just learned of the benefits of mixology tonight :)`
`06:04.50`	`Amarande`	`speaking of alchemy`
`06:04.51`	`Amarande`	`somehow I think http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_051410_012726.jpg`
`06:04.59`	`Amarande`	`may be telling me I really should grind those levels so I can level it. :)`
`06:06.42`	`*** join/#wowuidev jiyambi (~80d03c43@gateway/web/freenode/x-egieanvpksdafjmx)`
`06:13.04`	`*** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-51-80.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`06:15.51`	`*** join/#wowuidev Jiyambi (~80d03c43@gateway/web/freenode/x-fggaeaysowawkwvy)`
`06:16.37`	`Amarande`	`OMG`
`06:16.40`	`Amarande`	`when did this start?`
`06:16.44`	`Amarande`	`FACTION DISCOUNTS ON EPIC FLYING?!`
`06:16.52`	`Amarande`	`used to be they scrupulously avoided that`
`06:16.58`	`ZorbaBeta`	`3.2 or so?`
`06:17.06`	`ZorbaBeta`	`maybe earlier`
`06:17.13`	`Amarande`	`ahh, it's been a while since I bought any riding training but ground riding and northrend flying`
`06:17.23`	`Amarande`	`since my only previously flying character had epic flying during BC`
`06:18.53`	`*** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@pool012.vpn.uni-saarland.de)`
`06:18.58`	`*** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano)`
`06:27.37`	`Amarande`	`anyway, non-epic roflcopter acquired. :)`
`06:27.45`	`WobWork`	`huzzah!`
`06:27.49`	`WobWork`	`now for epic roflcopter`
`06:27.56`	`Amarande`	`Wob: Amaagnar may not get one of those :\|`
`06:27.57`	`WobWork`	`(have fun getting khorium!)`
`06:28.00`	`Amarande`	`at least not for a long while`
`06:28.03`	`Amarande`	`and not because of the khorium`
`06:28.04`	`WobWork`	`(oh god, khorium)`
`06:28.15`	`Amarande`	`mainly ... he's one of the two characters on my account that do not have any type of gathering profession`
`06:28.27`	`Amarande`	`and therefore, is one of the two characters who will receive epic flying last`
`06:28.28`	`WobWork`	`well, neither was my druid`
`06:28.36`	`WobWork`	`but he's my engi`
`06:28.58`	`Amarande`	`and since they upped the regular flyer to 150%, I'm not sure of the real benefit of 280% for non-farmers`
`06:29.14`	`WobWork`	`oh it totally helps =(`
`06:29.20`	`WobWork`	`slow flying is so damn slow =(`
`06:35.23`	`Amarande`	`well, now that it's not slower than epic ground, like it used to be`
`06:37.00`	`Fisker`	`stop me WobWork`
`06:37.45`	`*** join/#wowuidev yaroot (~yaroot@116.234.205.157)`
`06:39.49`	`WobWork`	`faces Fisker to a brick wall`
`06:43.12`	`ZorbaBeta`	`amarande, "it's faster"`
`06:43.16`	`ZorbaBeta`	`that's pretty much all you need`
`06:44.18`	`zenzelezz`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/13/funny-pictures-potent-than-bob-expected/`
`06:58.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=18081`
`06:59.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`do i win the thread?`
`07:04.52`	`*** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@d86-33-7-18.cust.tele2.at)`
`07:05.41`	`Fisker`	`i keel u zenzelezz`
`07:05.56`	`kd3`	`oh wow`
`07:06.01`	`kd3`	`enwiki's on vector for anons now`
`07:06.03`	`Fisker`	`no kd3`
`07:08.13`	`*** join/#wowuidev Dezzimal (~queue@207-118-128-29.dyn.centurytel.net)`
`07:14.11`	`Amarande`	`man, why do the warglaives look so meh, looking at their stats now :(`
`07:19.12`	`zenzelezz`	`look at the other legendaries, they're no better`
`07:21.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`the staff was by far the worst though`
`07:21.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`it was horrible even when 40man naxx was the highest raid`
`07:24.15`	`zenzelezz`	`I felt really sorry for that staff (and the casters)`
`07:24.51`	`ZorbaBeta`	`on the other hand, val'anyr is pretty much best-in-slot for eternity thanks to how much it scales :P`
`07:27.58`	`zenzelezz`	`is the Sunwell bow any good anymore?`
`07:28.16`	`ZorbaBeta`	`besides not costing anything to use, no.`
`07:38.12`	`*** join/#wowuidev KarlKFI (~chatzilla@ip70-181-89-32.oc.oc.cox.net)`
`07:38.18`	`*** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Antiarc@ip70-190-192-186.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`07:42.40`	`Amarande`	`Zorba: by 'eternity' you mean 'to the point that there's a chance people will still do ulduar at 85 in cata to pick it up'?`
`07:43.00`	`Amarande`	`zenzelezz: the sunwell bow's perks have gradually disappeared, so no`
`07:43.16`	`Amarande`	`first they gave 15% haste as an inherent hunter perk, even making ammo bags obsolete`
`07:43.19`	`ZorbaBeta`	`amarande, with its current stats: yes`
`07:43.30`	`ZorbaBeta`	`(I firmly expect those stats to be nerfed somehow, though)`
`07:43.38`	`Amarande`	`and since they're taking out ammo in cata, that will be the last nail in Thori'dal's coffin`
`07:45.51`	`Amarande`	`oh, my DK at present, since we were comparing DKs a while ago ... http://www.wowhead.com/profile=us.turalyon.vladoka`
`07:57.00`	`Amarande`	`wow, either they fixed the female blood elf weapon scaling issue, or savage cobalt slicers are just HUGE so they still look reasonably big on one`
`07:57.53`	`Amarande`	`btw, on Frost DK ... does it matter significantly to use Bold or Bright red gems?`
`07:58.04`	`*** join/#wowuidev batrick (~batrick@batbytes.com)`
`07:58.10`	`*** join/#wowuidev spode (spode@213.21.119.83)`
`07:58.25`	`*** join/#wowuidev Caleb\| (~caleb@dsl51B78AD8.pool.t-online.hu)`
`07:59.18`	`Amarande`	`1 Str = 2 AP anyway, right?`
`08:02.08`	`*** join/#wowuidev Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net)`
`08:03.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`it should, so you probably want to always get Str instead of AP`
`08:03.46`	`ZorbaBeta`	`1 str = 2 ap. add Kings into that, and 1 str > 2 ap.`
`08:03.50`	`ZorbaBeta`	`other bonuses just get better.`
`08:08.40`	`*** join/#wowuidev Srosh (~Srosh@d039126.adsl.hansenet.de)`
`08:10.35`	`*** join/#wowuidev Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net)`
`08:16.23`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kaso (~Kaso@89.240.5.140)`
`08:21.17`	`*** join/#wowuidev Wobin (~Wobin@203-214-143-109.perm.iinet.net.au)`
`08:26.29`	`olafski`	`there are talents that increase your strength too`
`08:26.42`	`olafski`	`hm though maybe not in the frost tree =)`
`08:31.00`	`*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@83.220.61.106)`
`08:47.30`	`*** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys)`
`08:57.09`	`*** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys)`
`09:03.44`	`industrial`	`http://i.imgur.com/EFOH6.jpg`
`09:04.19`	`*** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree)`
`09:08.58`	`Kaso`	`lol`
`09:09.12`	`zenzelezz`	`lol`
`09:12.41`	`Sixen`	`kd3, do we have devNull?`
`09:15.05`	`Fisker`	`zomg`
`09:15.10`	`Fisker`	`chrome now says 6.x.x`
`09:18.41`	`Fisker`	`hey Sixen`
`09:18.57`	`Trela`	`A SIXEN!`
`09:20.49`	`Fisker`	`no Trela`
`09:20.49`	`Fisker`	`die`
`09:33.21`	`Sixen`	`hai`
`09:40.24`	`Trela`	`:3`
`09:40.32`	`Trela`	`<-- That PHP person.`
`09:46.08`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/05/and-theres-a-giant-spider-in-the-third-act/ - heh`
`09:53.24`	`*** join/#wowuidev foxlit (~foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk)`
`09:55.59`	`*** join/#wowuidev kraftman (~kraft_@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust764.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`10:04.37`	`*** join/#wowuidev Matsy (~Matsy@dhcp-077-250-131-125.chello.nl)`
`10:13.04`	`*** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys)`
`10:13.26`	`*** join/#wowuidev Cide- (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se)`
`10:13.26`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide-] by ChanServ`
`10:13.37`	`*** join/#wowuidev Pneumatus^ (~WiN@81.174.255.134)`
`10:15.40`	`*** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (~cncfanati@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics)`
`10:17.07`	`*** join/#wowuidev Cide- (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se)`
`10:17.07`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide-] by ChanServ`
`10:21.46`	`Cide-`	`hi`
`10:22.11`	`zenzelezz`	`ohai`
`10:28.27`	`*** join/#wowuidev cncfanatics (~cncfanati@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics)`
`10:45.58`	`*** join/#wowuidev mitch0 (~mitch@drvolomdental.hu)`
`10:47.17`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kazie (~Kazie@188.114.158.72)`
`10:51.19`	`*** join/#wowuidev Marla (~Marla@fabe.xs4all.nl)`
`10:59.28`	`A-KO`	`howdy`
`10:59.33`	`A-KO`	`god my legs hurt :(`
`10:59.34`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`11:00.53`	`zenzelezz`	`http://verydemotivational.com/2010/05/13/demotivational-posters-perfect-teeth/`
`11:08.14`	`*** join/#wowuidev myrkraverk (~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk)`
`11:11.06`	`zenzelezz`	`my intarwebs.... they are being wonky :-\|`
`11:15.31`	`Wobin`	`...`
`11:15.37`	`Wobin`	`the comments make me want to stab someone`
`11:16.03`	`Wobin`	`why do people think that -everything- is there to insult them`
`11:16.23`	`Wobin`	`when everyone really knows, it's all to insult Fisker`
`11:17.11`	`industrial`	`mmmm thai food for lunch`
`11:17.39`	`industrial`	`friday++`
`11:21.16`	`*** join/#wowuidev myrkraverk (~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk)`
`11:30.07`	`*** join/#wowuidev airtonix (~airtonix@unaffiliated/airtonix)`
`11:33.31`	`mikma`	`nsfw http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129164955815704154.jpg`
`11:35.35`	`mikma`	`http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129167986831355850.jpg ... ouchtime`
`11:38.37`	`*** join/#wowuidev Torhal (~callahan@74-141-240-27.dhcp.insightbb.com)`
`11:53.36`	`*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@178.176.142.7)`
`12:05.34`	`*** join/#wowuidev Vangual (~bah@pdpc/supporter/active/vangual)`
`12:09.04`	`*** join/#wowuidev boshi23 (~chris@c-68-36-37-83.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`12:33.19`	`*** join/#wowuidev A-KO^ (~ako@neo.maryland2600.org)`
`12:33.52`	`A-KO^`	`nerdgasm`
`12:37.49`	`Shirik`	`?`
`12:39.20`	`*** join/#wowuidev Aelobin (~Aelobin@88-110-0-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)`
`12:39.58`	`Aelobin`	`could someone link/name that program that allows you to drag images onto it and it converts them to blp? :)`
`12:40.12`	`jnwhiteh`	`http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png`
`12:40.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`oh`
`12:40.20`	`Aelobin`	`that just gives me errors`
`12:40.21`	`jnwhiteh`	`the other way around.. why would you want that?`
`12:40.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`'just gives me errors'`
`12:40.27`	`jnwhiteh`	`could you be more specifici?`
`12:41.01`	`jnwhiteh`	`which direction do you want, first off all`
`12:41.01`	`Aelobin`	`sec`
`12:41.17`	`Aelobin`	`png2blp`
`12:41.20`	`jnwhiteh`	`why?`
`12:41.35`	`Aelobin`	`what? :p`
`12:41.41`	`Fisker`	`hey jnwhiteh how do i @?`
`12:41.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`why do you want to convert anythign to blp`
`12:41.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`its just not worth it.`
`12:41.48`	`Aelobin`	`to use in my addon`
`12:41.53`	`jnwhiteh`	`they don't need to be in BLP`
`12:41.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`unless you're making a cursor, which I doubt you are.`
`12:42.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`I would strongly suggest against using BLP unless you have a demonstrated need for it, which you almost certainly do not.`
`12:43.54`	`Aelobin`	`hmm so i can just use a png in it? :o`
`12:43.59`	`jnwhiteh`	`yes, of course.`
`12:44.01`	`jnwhiteh`	`...`
`12:44.07`	`jnwhiteh`	`nowhere says you need to use BLP`
`12:44.08`	`Aelobin`	`hehe, news to me :p`
`12:44.36`	`*** join/#wowuidev Laxator (~dada@AMontsouris-153-1-20-128.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`12:44.49`	`jnwhiteh`	`shouldn't be, I cover all of this in the book and it's most certainly on wowwiki as well`
`12:44.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`shrug`
`12:44.58`	`jnwhiteh`	`either way, no, you don't need BLPs`
`12:46.35`	`Aelobin`	`hmm it wont load the png though :/`
`12:46.41`	`Aelobin`	`and it's 16x16`
`12:47.06`	`Fisker`	`:( jnwhiteh`
`12:47.12`	`Fisker`	`how does one @ on a mac?`
`12:47.18`	`jnwhiteh`	`Aelobin: then something is wrong`
`12:47.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`99% of addons use pngs`
`12:47.58`	`Aelobin`	`most addons ive downloaded have used blp/tga :p`
`12:48.42`	`Bruners`	`Fisker: one does simply not use mac`
`12:49.37`	`Aelobin`	`unless you were meaning tga's all along jnwhiteh ?`
`12:51.55`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@141.222.29.18)`
`12:51.55`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ`
`12:51.59`	`Wobin`	`hm`
`12:52.08`	`Wobin`	`single handed maces for rogues`
`12:52.12`	`Wobin`	`slow or fast?`
`12:52.27`	`ZorbaBeta`	`slow mh, fast offhand, from what I remember`
`12:52.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`also my memory`
`12:55.43`	`Shirik`	`~wiki Dylan Igoe`
`12:56.59`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`12:58.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`... ?`
`12:58.21`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (kalroth@3e6baac0.rev.stofanet.dk)`
`12:58.37`	`Adys`	`http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/5/14/oh-no-sun/`
`13:01.05`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: People are very strange`
`13:02.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh. I see. That explains everything.`
`13:05.07`	`*** join/#wowuidev zenzelezz (~zenzelezz@cm-84.212.249.234.getinternet.no)`
`13:05.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`good morning, zenzelezz.`
`13:07.20`	`Shirik`	`Lopeppeppy: Everything wrong with the world boils down to "people are strange"`
`13:07.44`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`13:07.56`	`Shirik`	`^ Case in point`
`13:08.01`	`*** join/#wowuidev Mihau (~alexia@69.73.16.202)`
`13:14.15`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`13:15.22`	`Fisker`	`what are you trying to do Shirik ?`
`13:15.30`	`Fisker`	`and Bruners i need to make a @!`
`13:19.06`	`Shirik`	`@`
`13:19.10`	`Shirik`	`@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@`
`13:19.17`	`Shirik`	`I can make lots of @`
`13:21.02`	`haste`	`this isn't a MUD Shirik !`
`13:21.19`	`Shirik`	`@go north`
`13:21.36`	`Shirik`	`It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.`
`13:21.38`	`Shirik`	`@go north`
`13:21.39`	`mikma`	`@fail`
`13:21.43`	`Shirik`	`loldie.`
`13:23.03`	`jnwhiteh`	`Aelobin: oh.`
`13:23.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`yes, I am an idiot`
`13:23.07`	`jnwhiteh`	`I meant TGA`
`13:23.08`	`jnwhiteh`	`not PNG`
`13:23.13`	`jnwhiteh`	`I'm really sorry to have mislead you`
`13:23.18`	`jnwhiteh`	`but BLPs suck =)`
`13:23.33`	`jnwhiteh`	`it's been an odd morning for me.`
`13:24.53`	`myrkraverk`	`I just made the simplest addon ever, that does something:`
`13:24.54`	`Adys`	`[14:23:11] <@jnwhiteh> but BLPs suck =)`
`13:24.57`	`Adys`	`QFT`
`13:24.58`	`myrkraverk`	`print( "This is pointless." );`
`13:25.21`	`Adys`	`myrkraverk: You just made a one line addon, and yet I have two problems with your coding style already`
`13:25.30`	`myrkraverk`	`Hahaha`
`13:25.38`	`*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)`
`13:25.42`	`myrkraverk`	`Which are?`
`13:26.01`	`olafski`	`space around the ""`
`13:26.05`	`Adys`	`spaces next to function parentheses and ; at the eol`
`13:26.05`	`olafski`	`semicolon at the end`
`13:26.13`	`olafski`	`padum tishhh`
`13:26.17`	`myrkraverk`	`What's wrong with the ; ?`
`13:26.26`	`olafski`	`it's general practice not to use those in Lua`
`13:26.30`	`myrkraverk`	`I always put spaces inside function calls`
`13:26.33`	`Adys`	`it's not needed`
`13:26.49`	`airtonix`	`also you did not make a local version of print`
`13:26.51`	`myrkraverk`	`I find them easier to read with like that`
`13:26.59`	`myrkraverk`	`what?`
`13:27.02`	`Adys`	`myrkraverk: you come from C or something? :p`
`13:27.09`	`myrkraverk`	`C++ actually`
`13:27.10`	`airtonix`	`or the other four thousand functions`
`13:27.13`	`Adys`	`myrkraverk: hes trolling dont listen to him`
`13:27.19`	`myrkraverk`	`Ok`
`13:27.36`	`Spejnar`	`olafski is trolling, he is actually a FBI agent`
`13:27.40`	`myrkraverk`	`but as for ; -- unneded punctiuation isn't always bad`
`13:28.02`	`Adys`	`unneeded ; are always bad :(`
`13:28.28`	`Shirik`	`C++ ftmfw`
`13:28.28`	`myrkraverk`	`well, there we have a difference of opinion ;)`
`13:28.29`	`Adys`	`lua is a very clean language`
`13:28.44`	`Shirik`	`and olafski, I don't know what you're talking about`
`13:28.49`	`Shirik`	`I use semicolons a lot, and so do a ton of people`
`13:28.58`	`airtonix`	`i only saw a comma there`
`13:28.59`	`Adys`	`it's as clean as python if that's even possible`
`13:29.00`	`Adys`	`:D`
`13:29.10`	`Shirik`	`And in fact in Lua, there are places where it's REQUIRED to have a semicolon`
`13:29.18`	`olafski`	`sorry shirik I can't reply to that if you think C++ is good :P`
`13:29.18`	`airtonix`	`prove it`
`13:29.20`	`Adys`	`wat`
`13:29.26`	`myrkraverk`	`; are all over Blizzard's code.`
`13:29.26`	`Adys`	`in one liners where you don't use spaces?`
`13:29.27`	`Adys`	`:P`
`13:29.30`	`Shirik`	`so rather than using it only when it's necessary, why not just use it always`
`13:29.40`	`Adys`	`myrkraverk: yeah well.... don't take too much example from it`
`13:30.02`	`myrkraverk`	`Adys, no, I found that out when I tried to use something secure ;-P`
`13:30.18`	`Adys`	`Shirik: ok, going by that line of thought, rather than use ifs when they're necessary, like when you want to check whether a condition is true`
`13:30.30`	`Adys`	`why not put all the blocks you always want to run inside if true`
`13:30.33`	`Shirik`	`lua> loadstring("function foo(...) bar()\r\n(...)[1] = "hello"; end")`
`13:30.35`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: luabot:1: ')' expected near 'hello'`
`13:30.38`	`Shirik`	`er`
`13:30.40`	`Adys`	`~failrik`
`13:30.41`	`purl`	`FAIL, Shirik, FAIL!`
`13:30.50`	`Adys`	`~factinfo failrik`
`13:30.50`	`purl`	`failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (787 days); it has been requested 144 times, last by Adys, 9s ago.`
`13:30.59`	`Adys`	`christ.`
`13:31.10`	`Shirik`	`ummmm`
`13:31.14`	`Shirik`	`not actually sure what's wrong with that`
`13:31.15`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
`13:31.23`	`airtonix`	`its ok`
`13:31.24`	`Adys`	`the fact you fail 144 times so far`
`13:31.25`	`Shirik`	`does luabot strip the newlines?`
`13:31.29`	`*** join/#wowuidev zenzelezz (~zenzelezz@cm-84.212.249.234.getinternet.no)`
`13:31.46`	`Shirik`	`lua> loadstring("function foo(...) bar()\n(...)[1] = "hello"; end")`
`13:31.47`	`lua_bot`	`Shirik: luabot:1: ')' expected near 'hello'`
`13:31.58`	`Shirik`	`kd3!`
`13:31.59`	`Shirik`	`go`
`13:32.11`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`13:32.13`	`Shirik`	`I'm a moron`
`13:32.14`	`myrkraverk`	`lua> loadstring("function foo(...) bar()\n(...)[1] = \"hello\"; end")`
`13:32.14`	`lua_bot`	`myrkraverk: nil, [string "function foo(...) bar()..."]:2: ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '('`
`13:32.17`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`13:32.19`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`13:32.24`	`Shirik`	`It's still early for me :(`
`13:32.27`	`Shirik`	`I'm not supposed to be up this early`
`13:32.58`	`Shirik`	`Anyway, that's a case where a semicolon is required`
`13:33.24`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kraps (~chatzilla@ool-44c20717.dyn.optonline.net)`
`13:33.27`	`olafski`	`oh then we clearly need to use it everywhere`
`13:33.30`	`Shirik`	`yup!`
`13:33.37`	`olafski`	`I'll pass`
`13:33.40`	`myrkraverk`	`it's the Revenge of the ;`
`13:33.45`	`Adys`	`olafski: don't bother with shirik, he doesn't even like python`
`13:33.50`	`Shirik`	`python is evil`
`13:33.50`	`haste`	`oUF has a couple of cases where ; is required`
`13:33.55`	`olafski`	`I have never seen python`
`13:34.03`	`olafski`	`but he likes C++ so I guess that's that`
`13:34.09`	`Shirik`	`C++ is brillian`
`13:34.10`	`Shirik`	`t`
`13:34.10`	`Adys`	`C++ is win`
`13:34.12`	`Adys`	`shoo`
`13:34.23`	`Shirik`	`There's only one thing better than C++`
`13:34.26`	`Shirik`	`AspectC++`
`13:34.28`	`myrkraverk`	`I also like lisp`
`13:34.29`	`Adys`	`python`
`13:34.33`	`myrkraverk`	`python sucks`
`13:34.42`	`airtonix`	`prove it`
`13:34.44`	`Adys`	`myrkraverk: see we're really not going to be friends`
`13:34.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`ice cold oatmeal sucks`
`13:34.51`	`myrkraverk`	`Adys, do we have to be?`
`13:34.55`	`Shirik`	`see`
`13:34.57`	`Adys`	`yes`
`13:34.58`	`myrkraverk`	`airtonix, I don't have to prove my opinions`
`13:34.59`	`Shirik`	`python can make ice cold oatmeal`
`13:35.05`	`Shirik`	`therefore python == ice cold oatmeal`
`13:35.11`	`airtonix`	`logicfail`
`13:35.12`	`Shirik`	`and since ice cold oatmeal sucks, python sucks`
`13:35.21`	`Adys`	`if you're not friends with me, your life is going to be hell`
`13:35.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`When did I become your straight man, Shirik? boggle`
`13:35.35`	`Shirik`	`straight man?`
`13:35.36`	`myrkraverk`	`my life is already hell: status change: nil`
`13:35.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`That's what I was saying? checks her tag`
`13:35.50`	`airtonix`	`two wrongs don't make a right`
`13:35.52`	`Adys`	`myrkraverk: then i'll fix it, and BRING YOU BACK`
`13:35.53`	`Shirik`	`not sure what that means`
`13:36.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`She who feeds you awesome punch lines.`
`13:36.18`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`13:36.19`	`Kraps`	`Shirik: shes Abbott to your Costello`
`13:37.23`	`Adys`	`Shirik`
`13:37.35`	`myrkraverk`	`My addon has only 4/5 stars -- how can someone give it a low grade? it does almost nothing`
`13:37.50`	`Adys`	`Shirik: There's a new quest called "Segmentation Fault: Core Dumped"`
`13:37.55`	`airtonix`	`Lopeppeppy, wait... you have a tag ?`
`13:38.20`	`Kraps`	`myrkraverk: wait what?`
`13:38.32`	`myrkraverk`	`http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/pettarget.aspx`
`13:38.55`	`myrkraverk`	`how come this can get a low score? since it does almost nothing, it should be 5 stars or nothing at all ;-P`
`13:39.06`	`olafski`	`maybe someone didn't like where you put the pet target`
`13:39.12`	`airtonix`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:39.15`	`olafski`	`(I thought that was already available in the default UI?)`
`13:39.19`	`myrkraverk`	`nope`
`13:39.34`	`myrkraverk`	`olafski, I even searched the code, it's not there`
`13:40.11`	`myrkraverk`	`olafski, 5g on earthen ring, horde -- if you can prove me wrong`
`13:40.17`	`Kraps`	`what we need is target of target of target of target of target of target of target of target of target of target of target of target of target of target of target of target of target of etc`
`13:40.20`	`myrkraverk`	`erm, earthen ring eu, horde`
`13:40.22`	`*** part/#wowuidev Shirik (~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik)`
`13:40.27`	`*** join/#wowuidev Shirik (~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik)`
`13:40.27`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ`
`13:40.32`	`Shirik`	`you can do that Kraps`
`13:40.34`	`olafski`	`I don't really care enough to prove you wrong myrkraverk :P`
`13:40.39`	`olafski`	`I use custom unitframes like most people here`
`13:40.40`	`myrkraverk`	`no, he can't get a target of etc`
`13:40.43`	`Shirik`	`Actually that was something I had to play with when developing Conspiracy`
`13:40.43`	`olafski`	`.. and my account isn't active`
`13:40.57`	`Shirik`	`How far can you go without harming performance`
`13:40.59`	`myrkraverk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:41.11`	`*** join/#wowuidev Sidey (~Sidey@d54C18835.access.telenet.be)`
`13:41.13`	`Shirik`	`I determined that performance penalties were exponential`
`13:41.16`	`Shirik`	`though I never figured out why`
`13:41.26`	`Shirik`	`so I had to limit conspiracy's assists window to 5 deep`
`13:41.40`	`myrkraverk`	`my computer is too slow to use "has everything" addons`
`13:41.47`	`Sidey`	`hello ... is this passed by reference ? function blabla(a,b) ?`
`13:41.57`	`Sidey`	`or by value`
`13:42.00`	`Kraps`	`myrkraverk: my addon targets etc`
`13:42.14`	`myrkraverk`	`Kraps, how does it do that?`
`13:42.17`	`olafski`	`so don't use "has everything" addons`
`13:42.20`	`olafski`	`myrkraverk: /tar etc`
`13:42.34`	`myrkraverk`	`olafski, yes, that's why I made this small pet target`
`13:42.38`	`myrkraverk`	`addon`
`13:42.38`	`Shirik`	`Sidey: yes`
`13:42.46`	`Sidey`	`cool`
`13:42.52`	`Sidey`	`and can you make a function inside a function ?`
`13:42.59`	`Shirik`	`Everything in Lua is passed by value. But what value that is may be not what you think`
`13:43.07`	`Shirik`	`Lua is a functional language. Functions are values.`
`13:43.12`	`Kraps`	`theoretically, an addon that doesnt exist can do anything`
`13:43.13`	`myrkraverk`	`olafski, that's targetting a unit called etc, not "et cetera"`
`13:43.16`	`Shirik`	`well teechnically closures are`
`13:43.21`	`Shirik`	`but I try not to distinguish`
`13:43.24`	`olafski`	`myrkraverk: maybe he meant a unit called etc`
`13:43.33`	`myrkraverk`	`hm, ok`
`13:44.22`	`Kraps`	`is trying to believe that this conversation just took place`
`13:45.03`	`*** join/#wowuidev p3lim (~Miranda@85.108.34.95.customer.cdi.no)`
`13:45.28`	`*** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (~Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn)`
`13:45.28`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ`
`13:46.02`	`mikma`	`http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/efoh6.jpg`
`13:46.34`	`Shirik`	`LMAO`
`13:48.37`	`Kraps`	`http://kotaku.com/5538815/time-for-a-world-of-warcraft-freakout`
`13:49.15`	`Sidey`	`hm, so if I do a = 2 b = a b = b -1 print(a) what will be the outcome ?`
`13:50.01`	`mikma`	`2`
`13:50.09`	`Shirik`	`2`
`13:50.10`	`myrkraverk`	`is it useful to have a threat indicator on the pet-target ?`
`13:50.19`	`Sidey`	`>_>`
`13:50.33`	`myrkraverk`	`there is none on the default target-target`
`13:50.36`	`mikma`	`myrkraverk: depends if the pet is meant to tank?`
`13:50.42`	`Shirik`	`why would you care about target-target threat?`
`13:50.48`	`Shirik`	`However, pet-target threat can be quite important`
`13:51.30`	`mikma`	`shirik: imagine bossfight: you target (foo) and see (foo) targeting your maintank (bar). you are offtank.`
`13:51.46`	`Shirik`	`fuck tanks`
`13:51.49`	`Shirik`	`they just mash keyboard anyway`
`13:51.53`	`mikma`	`yes please, lolzi`
`13:51.59`	`Kraps`	`Shirik: no`
`13:52.00`	`*** join/#wowuidev spode (spode@213.21.119.83)`
`13:52.07`	`myrkraverk`	`Ok, I've been working on getting that in -- there is no target-target threat, so there is no graphics for it in the artwork`
`13:52.42`	`myrkraverk`	`and I'm terrible with artwork ;-P`
`13:53.33`	`Shirik`	`all developers are naturally bad with artwork`
`13:53.36`	`Shirik`	`it's a requirement`
`13:53.40`	`myrkraverk`	`Haha`
`13:53.54`	`Kraps`	`yay free Portal`
`13:53.59`	`Wobin`	`yay!`
`13:54.29`	`mikma`	`shirik: oh so that's the reason why updater sucks... giggles`
`13:54.35`	`Shirik`	`oh fu`
`13:54.49`	`Shirik`	`not cool`
`13:55.15`	`myrkraverk`	`is there a reason to distinguish pet-target threat to the pet and threat to the player?`
`13:55.34`	`myrkraverk`	`or is it just threat to the player?`
`13:55.37`	`Shirik`	`huh?`
`13:55.41`	`Shirik`	`of course`
`13:55.53`	`Shirik`	`imagine you're soloing and you need to compare your threat vs pet so you don't get facesmashed`
`13:55.56`	`Cide-`	`you don't see mobs attacking the owner of the pet when the pet attacks`
`13:56.44`	`myrkraverk`	`Shirik, there is also situations when the pet and player aren't targetting the same thing`
`13:56.55`	`myrkraverk`	`when soloing`
`13:57.55`	`myrkraverk`	`so I was 1) wondering whether I should distinguish pet threat vs player threat and 2) how to do so with the graphics`
`13:58.27`	`myrkraverk`	`without adding pet-target-target ;-P`
`13:58.43`	`*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)`
`13:59.00`	`myrkraverk`	`I really want my addon to do as little as possible while being as useful`
`14:00.21`	`airtonix`	`kraps that japanese version is lulz`
`14:00.45`	`airtonix`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bCs8eu6hAs`
`14:02.38`	`Kraps`	`http://kotaku.com/5538813/the-greatest-pc-games-of-all-time-according-to-2010`
`14:03.37`	`Cide-`	`dragon age and mw2 over wow? that's pretty sad`
`14:03.42`	`Cide-`	`dragon age was awesome and all but...`
`14:03.44`	`Cide-`	`of all time?`
`14:04.00`	`haste`	`where's my system shock 2`
`14:04.26`	`Cide-`	`apparently bioshock scored higher than ss2`
`14:04.37`	`Kraps`	`Cide-: like a commenter said,no starcraft/warcraft`
`14:04.57`	`Cide-`	`warcraft doesn't deserve a place imo`
`14:05.00`	`Cide-`	`sc1 possibly`
`14:05.05`	*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep` (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)
`14:05.09`	`Shirik`	`I can't believe SC isn't on there`
`14:05.23`	`Shirik`	`I think this was written by a 15yo`
`14:05.24`	`Cide-`	`sc is #14`
`14:05.31`	`Shirik`	`someone that doesn't have experience in the golden days`
`14:05.47`	`Cide-`	`dethroned by cod4: mw, mass effect & portal`
`14:05.55`	`Shirik`	`hahahahahaha`
`14:05.56`	`Shirik`	`"Online internet voted stuff is rarely a good way to get a "real" list. Heck, I'm surprised Stephen Colbert didn't win."`
`14:07.01`	`cog\|away`	`Fisker: http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9200/unicornman.jpg`
`14:07.48`	`Cide-`	`god, creating 20 c++ classes is horrible`
`14:07.52`	`Cide-`	`so much duplicated code`
`14:08.00`	`cog\|away`	`lern2codegen`
`14:08.12`	`*** join/#wowuidev Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk)`
`14:08.16`	`Cide-`	`vs does some of it`
`14:08.45`	`cogwheel`	`but yeah... c++0x should help a bit whenever they get around to it`
`14:08.51`	`Cide-`	`how?`
`14:09.36`	`*** join/#wowuidev zenzelezz (~zenzelezz@cm-84.212.249.234.getinternet.no)`
`14:09.47`	`*** join/#wowuidev PfhorSlayer (~dbarrie@174-31-245-27.tukw.qwest.net)`
`14:10.11`	`cogwheel`	`emphasis on "a bit", but a couple things that come to mind are auto keyword and being able to specify default constructors`
`14:10.56`	`Kraps`	`grat, now dbm is spamming about needing coders?`
`14:11.53`	`Cide-`	`uninstall?`
`14:12.32`	`Kraps`	`meh\`
`14:12.47`	`Adys`	`lua> type`
`14:12.52`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: function: 0x9c29f40`
`14:12.56`	`Adys`	`lua> return type("foo")`
`14:12.56`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: string`
`14:13.04`	`Adys`	`lua> return type(type("foo"))`
`14:13.04`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: string`
`14:13.16`	`Cide-`	`wait`
`14:13.22`	`Cide-`	`what type did you think <string> was?`
`14:13.38`	`Adys`	`i was expecting type to be a typo`
`14:13.40`	`Adys`	`type.`
`14:13.44`	`Adys`	`python habits`
`14:13.49`	`Cide-`	`fail`
`14:13.52`	`cogwheel`	`that was a metatypo`
`14:13.58`	`cogwheel`	`my brain is asploded now`
`14:14.01`	`Cide-`	`indeed`
`14:14.04`	`Cide-`	`kaboom`
`14:14.53`	`Adys`	`PET_BONUS_TOOLTIP_RANGED_ATTACK_POWER Increases your pet's Attack Power by %d.`
`14:14.55`	`Adys`	`whatsthat`
`14:17.23`	`*** join/#wowuidev WobWork (~Wobwork@136.136.233.220.static.exetel.com.au)`
`14:17.56`	`airtonix`	`http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODIyOQ`
`14:18.53`	`*** join/#wowuidev Pneumatus (~WiN@81.174.255.132)`
`14:18.58`	`*** join/#wowuidev Pneumatus (~WiN@unaffiliated/pneumatus)`
`14:20.49`	`Fisker`	`cogwheel`
`14:20.51`	`Fisker`	`my friend`
`14:20.53`	`Fisker`	`my specialist`
`14:22.01`	`Fisker`	`slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout`
`14:22.17`	`Wobin`	`grrr`
`14:22.20`	`Wobin`	`stabs his connection`
`14:22.57`	`Ackis`	`stabs Wobin with a Fisker`
`14:24.57`	`Ackis`	`as I get older, I realize the only way I'll get famous is to go charles manson on people :(`
`14:25.44`	`Ackis`	`comforting thought right Fisker?`
`14:26.08`	`*** join/#wowuidev Esamynn\|Away (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn)`
`14:26.08`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn\|Away] by ChanServ`
`14:27.15`	`Sidey`	`nothing more fun than tables in tables and trying to merge some of them`
`14:27.21`	`Sidey`	`my brain is overheating`
`14:27.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Tables are the work of satan.`
`14:27.53`	`Sidey`	`:<`
`14:28.33`	`Ackis`	`Satan was created by God, therefore Tables are the work of God`
`14:30.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`God has a sick damn sense of humor, we've established.`
`14:30.36`	`Ackis`	`truth`
`14:30.38`	`nevcairiel`	`tables are full of awesome`
`14:30.48`	`Ackis`	`nevcairiel: isn't it early to be drinking?`
`14:30.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`nevcairiel, you are high.`
`14:30.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Adorable, but high.`
`14:31.23`	`nevcairiel`	`its such a flexible construct, i dont get why people dont like it`
`14:31.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Jellyfish are also extremely flexible. Deadly stingy poisonous beautiful flexible.`
`14:33.32`	`p3lim`	`When in arena, is your "party" shown as party frames or raid frames?`
`14:33.33`	`zenzelezz`	`are you guys talking about the same kind of table?`
`14:35.40`	`jnwhiteh`	`hehe, who knows =)`
`14:41.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Pretty. http://gizmodo.com/5538937/a-haunting-time+lapse-video-of-eyjafjallajokull`
`14:43.25`	`Ackis`	`http://www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Meaning_Of_The_Dot.htm SWF but not safe for your soul`
`14:43.58`	`Ackis`	`SWF = SFW :P`
`14:49.31`	`airtonix`	`-_-`
`14:51.26`	`Kraps`	`Ackis: old joke`
`14:51.35`	`airtonix`	`(squeal)`
`14:51.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Evil.`
`14:52.07`	`airtonix`	`portal is loading on my linux netbook :)`
`14:53.57`	`mikma`	`airtonix: wine?`
`14:54.08`	`haste`	`did they push out a proper linux client now :p ?`
`14:54.37`	`airtonix`	`no`
`14:54.42`	`airtonix`	`well not yet`
`14:55.19`	`haste`	`then why :p ?`
`14:55.21`	`mikma`	`well explain how`
`14:55.39`	`airtonix`	`http://www.google.com.au/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.steampowered.com%2Fpublic%2Fclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a`
`14:55.51`	`airtonix`	`http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3NA`
`14:56.07`	`airtonix`	`you need to be a steam tester to be able to login with it`
`14:56.26`	`airtonix`	`but im just using wine at the moment`
`14:56.44`	`haste`	`I know about the linux client :P`
`14:56.54`	`haste`	`which is why I asked if they pushed out something that actually worked`
`14:56.59`	`haste`	`more than showing frames without text`
`15:00.21`	`*** join/#wowuidev jacobeiting (~jacobeiti@null-001b63ce15c9.dhcp.fnal.gov)`
`15:02.14`	`*** join/#wowuidev Legorol (~legorol@cpc8-sgyl28-2-0-cust43.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`15:02.14`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Legorol] by ChanServ`
`15:02.32`	`Fisker`	`wat airtonix ?`
`15:02.33`	`Fisker`	`wat.`
`15:03.33`	`airtonix`	`i can hear the doctor coming with your meds fisker`
`15:04.05`	`Fisker`	`wat`
`15:04.15`	`Fisker`	`i'm not the one posting on a bodybuilding forum about steam`
`15:04.16`	`Fisker`	`O_o`
`15:05.36`	`airtonix`	`lol?`
`15:07.16`	`airtonix`	`:( i just broke your mug fisker`
`15:07.27`	`Fisker`	`what mug?`
`15:11.16`	`Cide-`	`hey Shirik`
`15:11.24`	`Cide-`	`what did 0xCC mean in vs debug mode?`
`15:11.41`	`Cide-`	`nvm`
`15:13.05`	`*** join/#wowuidev GoldenAxe (~gliterati@d207-216-18-132.bchsia.telus.net)`
`15:14.35`	`*** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan (~xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan)`
`15:14.37`	`Shirik`	`um`
`15:14.47`	`Shirik`	`uninitialized memory?`
`15:14.51`	`Shirik`	`either uninitialized or freed`
`15:14.55`	`Shirik`	`I get CC and CD mixed up`
`15:15.18`	`Shirik`	`yeah it's uninitialized locals`
`15:15.54`	`Fisker`	`hey Shirik`
`15:16.01`	`airtonix`	`Fisker, why so basement ?`
`15:16.05`	`Cide-`	`thanks`
`15:16.06`	`Fisker`	`i'm not`
`15:17.20`	`*** join/#wowuidev Odlaw (ozzy@c-98-245-3-204.hsd1.co.comcast.net)`
`15:17.35`	`Fisker`	`why won't you hey Fisker me Shirik ?`
`15:17.45`	`Shirik`	`hey Fisker`
`15:17.48`	`Shirik`	`why so basement?`
`15:23.51`	`Fisker`	`why so imma kill ya Shirik ?`
`15:25.17`	`Ackis`	`if there are any EU ipads peeps: http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/14/maxroam-micro-sim-ipad/`
`15:26.07`	`Ackis`	`~wiki malamanteau`
`15:28.11`	`Wobin`	`Ackis, the discussion page on that is pure wikipedia gold =P`
`15:29.23`	`Ackis`	`haha`
`15:30.35`	`*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)`
`15:30.41`	`cog\|work`	`http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/animals_in_the_news.html#photo4`
`15:30.55`	`Ackis`	`the sad thing is, I bet there's people that read all that discussion page and F5 it every minute`
`15:31.22`	`Wobin`	`cog\|work, lol at #5`
`15:31.48`	`cog\|work`	`cray akin ><`
`15:31.52`	`airtonix`	`real men use watch and curl`
`15:31.54`	`cog\|work`	`aiken*`
`15:32.18`	`Shirik`	`Wobin`
`15:32.19`	`Shirik`	`no it's not`
`15:32.24`	`Shirik`	`a lot of us are like "This is so stupid"`
`15:32.39`	`Shirik`	`like seriously, it's just a redirect`
`15:32.41`	`Shirik`	`who the hell cares`
`15:32.57`	`Ackis`	`Wobin: #8 makes me want to get a club!`
`15:33.14`	`Wobin`	`cog\|work, #21!!`
`15:33.24`	`Wobin`	`squee`
`15:33.50`	`Shirik`	`squee?`
`15:34.55`	`Fisker`	`cog\|work`
`15:35.03`	`Fisker`	`why won't you be my specialist?`
`15:35.21`	`Fisker`	`i F5 my battle.net account every minute Ackis`
`15:35.48`	`Ackis`	`#40 == bwaaa`
`15:36.01`	`Wobin`	`=(`
`15:36.50`	`Wobin`	`night all`
`15:37.06`	`Ackis`	`ciao`
`15:38.26`	`Shirik`	`why the fuck does everyone on youtube put (HD)`
`15:38.31`	`Shirik`	`when it's not HD`
`15:38.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Because it's "cool"`
`15:38.57`	`cog\|work`	`youtube probably just fuckde up the encoding`
`15:39.55`	`Fisker`	`cog\|work my specialist`
`15:40.30`	*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep` (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)
`15:43.52`	`Shirik`	`How not to convince an administrator that a block is unnecessary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Munalali`
`15:46.44`	`Fisker`	`don't insult his intelligance Shirik`
`15:48.04`	`Ackis`	`blocks Shirik`
`15:49.21`	`*** join/#wowuidev Duman (~duman@ka.boom.net)`
`15:49.34`	`Ackis`	`heh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Rogue_Squadron is the featured article`
`15:50.38`	`Fisker`	`your mom is featured`
`15:51.13`	`nicoli_s`	`man i miss old school flight games`
`15:51.29`	`nicoli_s`	`i would pay full price for a new x wing vs tie fighter with joystick`
`15:51.30`	`Ackis`	`Wing Commander types?`
`15:51.42`	`nicoli_s`	`never played those`
`15:51.42`	`cog\|work`	`http://madshobbithole.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/my-hand-made-hobbit-hole-bag-end-from-lord-of-the-rings/`
`15:51.52`	`Ackis`	`you missed classics`
`15:52.12`	`Shirik`	`oh man`
`15:52.15`	`Shirik`	`yeah`
`15:52.16`	`Ackis`	`Wing Commander, X-Wing, Tie Fighter all helped make XvT great`
`15:52.17`	`Shirik`	`seriously`
`15:52.24`	`Shirik`	`wing commander`
`15:53.11`	`Cide-`	`halp`
`15:54.25`	`Ackis`	`I want to try the wing commander game on XBox Live, but I'm afraid it'll suck`
`15:55.02`	`*** join/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight)`
`15:55.02`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ`
`15:55.12`	`*** join/#wowuidev Gintaro (~Gintaro@cc1040670-a.gorre1.fr.home.nl)`
`15:55.38`	`*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)`
`15:57.23`	`Fisker`	`what wing commander gaem Ackis ?`
`15:57.55`	`airtonix`	`commands fiskers wings`
`15:58.27`	`Ackis`	`Fisker: http://bit.ly/akbfNr`
`15:59.31`	`Ackis`	`I took that link out of cog\|work's book`
`15:59.54`	*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep` (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)
`16:00.13`	`cog\|work`	`gamespot score 4.0/10`
`16:00.32`	`Ackis`	`fanboi score 10/10? :D`
`16:01.43`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`16:02.07`	`olafski`	`try the demo?`
`16:02.49`	`Elkano`	`WC in 2D... what do you expect?`
`16:03.18`	`airtonix`	`loool, portal fail`
`16:04.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Who thinks I should step all over my cranky colleague's toes? Show of hands!!`
`16:04.13`	`Fisker`	`cog\|work`
`16:04.16`	`Fisker`	`why won't you answer me? :(`
`16:04.20`	`*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)`
`16:04.45`	`*** join/#wowuidev Schnaks (~Schnaks@pD9EA37BC.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`16:06.21`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (~Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa)`
`16:06.30`	`Lunessa`	`STATION!`
`16:06.39`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Lunessa!`
`16:06.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Advise me. Should I step all over my bitchy colleague's toes and make political waves and have a lot of fun?`
`16:07.19`	`Ackis`	`http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/10/sami-salo-injury-video-ru_n_569778.html`
`16:07.20`	`Lunessa`	`Will you be employeed afterwards?`
`16:07.25`	`durcyn`	`do both.`
`16:07.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I will be.`
`16:07.34`	`Lopeppeppy`	`This will just be fun times.`
`16:07.37`	`Ackis`	`watch that video I linked`
`16:08.02`	`Ackis`	`UPDATE: Jason Botchford tweets that the testicle did not rupture. According to ESPN, the injury is 'undisclosed.' " <-- you know you want to watch it`
`16:08.03`	`Lunessa`	`Lopeppeppy: Then get down and party of her fucking face.`
`16:08.21`	`airtonix`	`a copulating face ?`
`16:08.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Wheee!`
`16:08.49`	`airtonix`	`this is unprecedented`
`16:10.30`	`Fisker`	`Ackis`
`16:10.32`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child: Pretty cool technique: http://photo.net/learn/dark_noise/`
`16:10.34`	`Fisker`	`get cog\|work to speak to me`
`16:10.35`	`Fisker`	`:(`
`16:10.48`	`Fisker`	`pretty uncool technique Shirik`
`16:10.53`	`Shirik`	`Fisker`
`16:10.59`	`Shirik`	`this is not for cell phone camera`
`16:10.59`	`Lunessa`	`Apparently BEST PHARMA has BLUE LOVE PILL for me CHEAP!`
`16:11.14`	`cog\|work`	`Fisker: http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9200/unicornman.jpg`
`16:11.49`	`Fisker`	`old cog\|work`
`16:11.50`	`Lunessa`	`cog\|work: OH isn't he darling?`
`16:12.07`	`Fisker`	`maybe in your bed`
`16:12.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik: nice`
`16:12.40`	`Lunessa`	`Fisker: Not so much. But I know a few he'd be welcomed into.`
`16:13.10`	`Fisker`	`i'm gonna bet on duke`
`16:13.12`	`Fisker`	`you always should`
`16:14.02`	`Ackis`	`Fisker: did you know that the testicle did not rupture?`
`16:14.39`	`Fisker`	`you could still kiss it better though`
`16:14.45`	`cog\|work`	`~fisker`
`16:14.46`	`purl`	`fisker is probably the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll`
`16:16.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Cogwheel, stop that. Eeew.`
`16:16.08`	`Fisker`	`i don't even know what i wanted to ask you anymore cog\|work`
`16:16.12`	`Fisker`	`so fffffffuuuuu`
`16:17.09`	`cog\|work`	`will not be your specialist`
`16:17.46`	`nevcairiel`	`Specialist Cogwheel, you can't escape it!`
`16:18.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Woot for edible pasta. nom nom nom NOMNOM`
`16:18.14`	`*** join/#wowuidev Sidey (~Sidey@d54C18835.access.telenet.be)`
`16:18.19`	`cog\|work`	`i think they should carry on the sprockets vs cogs rivalry in cata`
`16:19.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm down with that. weg`
`16:19.39`	`Ackis`	`they should cancel it`
`16:19.43`	`Ackis`	`no one cares about cogs`
`16:19.46`	`Ackis`	`or sprockets`
`16:19.46`	`Ackis`	`!`
`16:20.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Bite me!`
`16:20.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`makes with the stabbity spanner wrench.`
`16:20.27`	`Lunessa`	`I sprocket your cogs.`
`16:20.43`	`cog\|work`	`step 1: go to http://www.google.com . Step 2: type "why" in the search box. Step 3: look at the suggested searches. Step 4 : lulz`
`16:21.00`	`Sidey`	`nice I just asked about copy by refernece in here, so I was convinced that variables are copied by value ... only to discover now after an hour of pulling my hair out, that tables ARE copied by reference`
`16:21.18`	`Adys`	`cog\|work: i dont see any suggested searches`
`16:21.27`	`Ackis`	`Adys: that's the lulz`
`16:21.33`	`cog\|work`	`Adys: maybe it's a US thing`
`16:21.33`	`Adys`	`..`
`16:21.36`	`nevcairiel`	`I do`
`16:21.38`	`nevcairiel`	`"why can't i own a canadian"`
`16:21.44`	`cog\|work`	`^`
`16:21.50`	`Adys`	`i definitely dont see that`
`16:21.52`	`Ackis`	`old`
`16:21.56`	`Ackis`	`Adys: I don't see any either`
`16:22.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ooh, Lunessa, I didn't know you cared.`
`16:22.25`	`Lunessa`	`innocent look`
`16:22.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I bet. As innocent as Peppy!`
`16:22.38`	*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep` (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)
`16:23.17`	`Lunessa`	`I R CAT, I R NEVER TEH GUILTY ONEZ.`
`16:24.30`	`cog\|work`	`Sidey: i blame Shirik`
`16:24.33`	`cog\|work`	`:P`
`16:24.46`	`cog\|work`	`when you asked are they passed by reference or value, he answered "yes"`
`16:25.41`	`cog\|work`	`because whether something is passed by reference or value depends on the type`
`16:26.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Lunessa, dearest darling snookie pie, what did you have for breakfast, pray tell?`
`16:26.51`	`cog\|work`	`Sidey: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.2`
`16:27.02`	`Lunessa`	`... a coke?`
`16:27.44`	`nevcairiel`	`You just have to accept that some types are just a reference to stuff, and thav "value" is then passed`
`16:28.14`	`nevcairiel`	`i guess only tables are important for you, proxys would qualify as well, i guess`
`16:28.21`	`nevcairiel`	`but noone uses proxys :P`
`16:28.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No wonder you're loopy.`
`16:28.47`	`*** join/#wowuidev Aqua (~Aquavette@74-137-177-38.dhcp.insightbb.com)`
`16:36.34`	`Fisker`	`btw cog\|work`
`16:36.40`	`Fisker`	`did they drop you like a hot potato?`
`16:37.37`	`*** join/#wowuidev Zyn (~zyn@h187n4-av-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com)`
`16:38.02`	`Lunessa`	`I just got asked to test some new code: Tool reports Begin 2010-05-14 11:05:58 End 2010-05-14 11:05:32 WTF? It travels back in time?`
`16:38.40`	`Lunessa`	`Dr. Emmet Brown and his pesky Flux For Loops!`
`16:41.40`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Hey, where's my delorean?`
`16:44.34`	`Ackis`	`lol`
`16:44.36`	`Ackis`	`Austin renames street after Willie Nelson. Watch out for the potholes`
`16:44.40`	`Ackis`	`lulz`
`16:44.42`	`Ackis`	`I'm amused`
`16:45.49`	`*** join/#wowuidev Alram (~Marla@fabe.xs4all.nl)`
`16:47.34`	`*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)`
`16:48.18`	`durcyn`	`i hadn't heard of that, and i live here. link?`
`16:48.31`	`Lunessa`	`I think it's just a joke.`
`16:48.51`	`Ackis`	`http://www.dailytexanonline.com/content/city-honors-local-country-legend`
`16:50.05`	`Fisker`	`Â`
`16:50.38`	*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep` (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)
`16:52.24`	`Lunessa`	`signature seen in the wild: "AFK: Attack, fight, kill!! The healer is telling you to go pull mobs.`
`16:52.25`	`Lunessa`	`WTF: Way to fight! The healer is applauding your tactical genius.`
`16:52.25`	`Lunessa`	`OOM = Out Of Mobs, go pull more.`
`16:52.25`	`Lunessa`	`ADD: Additional mobs needed "`
`16:52.43`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Only the last one doesn't make sense. :)`
`16:54.04`	`olafski`	`http://wow.nav.lv/content.php?article.29`
`16:54.06`	`Adys`	`Lopeppeppy: ADDitional mobs needed`
`16:56.01`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Well, maybe I guess so.`
`16:56.52`	`Fisker`	`blargh`
`16:56.54`	`Fisker`	`i r ded`
`16:59.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh noes. I will mourn.`
`16:59.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`There, all mourned.`
`16:59.47`	`olafski`	`a bit over the top wasn't it?`
`16:59.48`	`Lunessa`	`We should make him into a zombie!`
`16:59.49`	`olafski`	`7 seconds?`
`17:00.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I counted to 10. Maybe I counted fast.`
`17:00.32`	`*** join/#wowuidev crs (~crs@dslb-084-061-075-111.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`17:00.44`	`olafski`	`mm said 7 seconds between the messages here =0`
`17:02.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I counted fast. I'm sorry Fisker, I cheated you. hug`
`17:07.02`	`Cide-`	`ADD: Argh! Drops Deficiency - Go pull more mobs`
`17:07.08`	`Lunessa`	`Peppy, Fisker didn't pay for the full funeral + mourners package. He got his freebie.`
`17:09.27`	`*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)`
`17:09.43`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kivnel (~lenvik@23.213.233.220.static.exetel.com.au)`
`17:10.32`	`Lunessa`	`You know, from the amount of abuse that boy takes in here, one my think he was a masochist.`
`17:10.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh. Okay then.`
`17:10.45`	`nevcairiel`	`oh but he is`
`17:10.57`	`nevcairiel`	`He would be in agony if we would just ignore him`
`17:11.03`	`cog\|work`	`^`
`17:11.17`	`Fisker`	`i wish`
`17:11.18`	`cog\|work`	`see his desperate pleas earlier`
`17:11.25`	`Lunessa`	`needs a nap.`
`17:12.02`	`Fisker`	`well cog\|work now you'll never know what i wanted to offer you`
`17:12.26`	`cog\|work`	`breathes a sigh of relief`
`17:13.24`	`nevcairiel`	`From past expierence, how long before the beta launch did they usually push the opt-in like that?`
`17:13.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`offers cogwheel some of the strange new mountain dews.`
`17:13.46`	`Lopeppeppy`	`nevcairiel, the opt in for Starcraft 2 was months, IIRC.`
`17:14.01`	`*** join/#wowuidev daev (~bleh@pool-72-86-116-158.aubnin.fios.verizon.net)`
`17:14.07`	`cog\|work`	`Lopeppeppy: how'd u do that??!!!!`
`17:14.12`	`cog\|work`	`pulls the Distortion out of his lunch bag`
`17:14.14`	`Fisker`	`oh u Lopeppeppy`
`17:14.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I am soooooo sly that way.`
`17:14.30`	`Lunessa`	`nevcairiel: For WotLK they did`
`17:14.35`	`Fisker`	`i was disappoint when i received the battlebot for wow on the PTR realms(since they're US)`
`17:14.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Plus I bribed Mrs. Cogwheel. Or the cat. I forget which.`
`17:14.53`	`Kraps`	`is there a difference between hunter pets with each pet class?`
`17:15.00`	`Kraps`	`within*`
`17:15.01`	`nevcairiel`	`Lunessa: i know they did, i was trying to remember how long before the beta launch it was =p`
`17:15.16`	`Lunessa`	`A couple months`
`17:15.21`	`nevcairiel`	`too long :(`
`17:15.32`	`Fisker`	`wotlk alpha lasted like exactly 2 months`
`17:15.45`	`cog\|work`	`is sad at how badly distortion is losing :(`
`17:15.45`	`nevcairiel`	`cant stand the ugly water anymore now that i've seen the good stuff!`
`17:15.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`as in... is one boar different from another, for example, Kraps?`
`17:15.56`	`cog\|work`	`at least white out is in second place`
`17:16.00`	`Fisker`	`btw nevcairiel`
`17:16.03`	`Lunessa`	`I was in the FF alpha of WotLK and it was a few weeks before beta testers were added. And then they got added in waves of about a week's spearation.`
`17:16.05`	`cog\|work`	`typhoon is too much like code red imo`
`17:16.12`	`Fisker`	`imma chargin' mah cataclysm F&F beta key`
`17:16.23`	`nevcairiel`	`F&F beta? wtf is that?`
`17:16.32`	`Fisker`	`the current phase of testing`
`17:16.38`	`cog\|work`	`alpha ... nub`
`17:16.38`	`Kraps`	`Lopeppeppy: no, is a bore different from a bear, besides them being different skins`
`17:16.39`	`nevcairiel`	`its alpha`
`17:16.44`	`Fisker`	`no nevcairiel`
`17:16.46`	`Kraps`	`boar*`
`17:16.47`	`Fisker`	`it's beta`
`17:16.50`	`Kraps`	`lol`
`17:16.54`	`cog\|work`	`betas fisker`
`17:17.24`	`Fisker`	`Cataclysm Friends & Family Beta Notes`
`17:17.26`	`Fisker`	`hurrdurr`
`17:17.42`	`Kalroth`	`no its a gamma`
`17:17.48`	`Zyn`	`zulu , tbh`
`17:17.49`	`Kraps`	`theta`
`17:17.57`	`Kraps`	`omega?`
`17:18.09`	`cog\|work`	`upsilon imo`
`17:18.15`	`Kalroth`	`kappa`
`17:18.25`	`cog\|work`	`imma poppa kappa`
`17:18.26`	`Fisker`	`atleast Kalroth came up with a real developement phase`
`17:18.43`	`Fisker`	`so cog\|work and nevcairiel`
`17:18.45`	`Lunessa`	`cog\|work: Euripidies?`
`17:18.45`	`Kraps`	`lies Fisker`
`17:18.46`	`Fisker`	`how is it being wrong?`
`17:19.05`	`cog\|work`	`Fisker: i can neither confirm nor deny your being correct`
`17:19.18`	`Fisker`	`i can confirm it`
`17:19.41`	`Kalroth`	`When searching for "Cataclysm Friends & Family Beta Notes", google goes: Did you mean: Cataclysm Friends & Family Alpha Notes`
`17:20.01`	`cog\|work`	`google says it's true. qed`
`17:20.49`	`Fisker`	`doesn't here Kalroth`
`17:20.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I am possessed of a desperate need to watch Red vs. Blue.`
`17:20.58`	`Kalroth`	`Fisker: stop using yahoo`
`17:21.04`	`*** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net)`
`17:21.16`	`Fisker`	`i'm not rawr`
`17:21.23`	`Fisker`	`http://i43.tinypic.com/sw9ydi.jpg <-baw`
`17:21.25`	`Kraps`	`Lopeppeppy: what i was thinking :)`
`17:21.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I believe that boars and bears have different skills, eat different foods, etc.`
`17:21.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I could be out of date about the skills, but I don't think so.`
`17:22.22`	`Kraps`	`i was wondering why people say a wolf is better that a car for raiding`
`17:22.27`	`Fisker`	`also`
`17:22.49`	`Fisker`	`in addition to all the new class/race combos we're also getting troll and dwarf warlocks`
`17:23.25`	`Kraps`	`Fisker: where did you get that?`
`17:23.30`	`*** join/#wowuidev myrkraverk (~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk)`
`17:23.33`	`Fisker`	`beta forums`
`17:23.48`	`Kraps`	`you're in the beta?`
`17:23.59`	`Fisker`	`not yet`
`17:24.11`	`*** join/#wowuidev Pneumatus^ (~WiN@81.174.255.132)`
`17:24.13`	`Dagmar`	`eBay would make me a lot happier if I were allowed to push a button to make the vendor's offices explode when they take a week to ship something`
`17:24.41`	`Dagmar`	`eCommerce is supposed to be all about a lack of patience and 2-day FedEx shipping damnit`
`17:24.49`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (kalroth@3e6baac0.rev.stofanet.dk)`
`17:24.51`	`Kraps`	`Fisker: where did you get that?!`
`17:25.03`	`Dagmar`	`Krpas: Christ man he made it up`
`17:25.16`	`Fisker`	`http://i39.tinypic.com/smbkoh.jpg`
`17:25.20`	`*** join/#wowuidev daev (~bleh@pool-72-86-116-158.aubnin.fios.verizon.net)`
`17:25.46`	`airtonix`	`ebay + appeture science ?`
`17:27.09`	`Fisker`	`what is your name in the beta anyway cog\|work ?`
`17:27.14`	`Dagmar`	`THe only way that could be useful right now is if I could reach through the portal and grab someone by the neck`
`17:27.35`	`Kraps`	`Dagmar: so you're saying that the screenies are photoshopped?`
`17:27.46`	`Fisker`	`they're not`
`17:27.47`	`Dagmar`	`kraps: Nah`
`17:27.59`	`cog\|work`	`Fisker: i have a gnome pally named Notfisker`
`17:28.06`	`cog\|work`	`</lie>`
`17:28.18`	`Fisker`	`who would've guessed?`
`17:28.39`	`Dagmar`	`airtonix: If these guys don't have this shipped by Monday I'm going to see what reporting them to ebay will do`
`17:28.42`	`Fisker`	`btw i believe it got a bit quiet from nevcairiel and you all of the sudden?`
`17:29.02`	*** join/#wowuidev nuoHep` (~nuoHep@178.176.249.249)
`17:29.07`	`Dagmar`	`A whole bloody week to ship something I paid $35 for shipping on is a BIT WRONG`
`17:29.20`	`Fisker`	`damn`
`17:29.51`	`Fisker`	`there's nothing better than ordering a package on a friday, then ordering it with express shipping so you can get it saturday`
`17:30.26`	`Fisker`	`And then the company sends it monday and doesn't figure that i probably don't need the express shipping anymore since it's basically only in effect before a saturday`
`17:30.26`	`Fisker`	`durrr`
`17:32.17`	`nevcairiel`	`you order express, you get express`
`17:32.31`	`Fisker`	`all deliveries are day to day nevcairiel`
`17:32.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`why would you expect them to ship it out the same day you order it?`
`17:32.41`	`Fisker`	`it can't get anymore "express" than it does`
`17:32.55`	`Fisker`	`the only thing is that they just don't deliver packages on a saturday`
`17:32.59`	`Dagmar`	`Thunder_Child: I didn't. I expected them to have at least shipped it by now`
`17:33.03`	`nevcairiel`	`you can order express to like 9pm and still get it the next day`
`17:33.03`	`Fisker`	`but paying for the "express" does so they deliver them on saturdays`
`17:33.08`	`nevcairiel`	`while normal stuff is like to 4pm`
`17:33.25`	`nevcairiel`	`also, normal delivery also works on saturday here :D`
`17:33.30`	`Fisker`	`and Thunder_Child most companies here send the same day, and the company i refer to has a shipping guarantee if ordered before x:xx`
`17:33.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker: right, but you cant assume it`
`17:33.57`	`Fisker`	`i can't assume a guarantee?`
`17:34.02`	`Fisker`	`ok then`
`17:34.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`....yes, thats exactly what i meant`
`17:37.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My complex doesn't get saturday mail delivery, so even if i pay for express, if it comes USPS, I don't get it.`
`17:39.24`	`Fisker`	`btw cog\|work`
`17:39.27`	`Fisker`	`popquiz`
`17:39.34`	`cog\|work`	`btw Fisker`
`17:39.35`	`cog\|work`	`popcap`
`17:39.36`	`Fisker`	`What phase of developement is Cataclysm in?`
`17:39.43`	`cog\|work`	`Aquamarine`
`17:39.43`	`Fisker`	`BAM!`
`17:39.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`No one knows that, Fisker. Hello.`
`17:39.59`	`Legorol`	`F&F Alpha is the last word`
`17:40.06`	`Legorol`	`at least that's confirmed by a blue`
`17:40.09`	`Fisker`	`naw`
`17:40.23`	`Fisker`	`Notice how they don't use the word alpha in the announcements :)`
`17:40.33`	`Fisker`	`also read up (i'm just taunting nevcairiel and cog\|work since i'm right)`
`17:40.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Does this matter somehow?`
`17:40.47`	`Fisker`	`yes`
`17:40.49`	`Fisker`	`i'm a huge jerk`
`17:40.54`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, is that all.`
`17:40.56`	`Adys`	`nobody cares anymore Fisker`
`17:41.07`	`*** join/#wowuidev Jiyambi (~80d03c43@gateway/web/freenode/x-tqoludfhqmvdzomf)`
`17:41.27`	`*** join/#wowuidev Nechckn (~N@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Admin/Nechckn)`
`17:41.27`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Nechckn] by ChanServ`
`17:41.32`	`*** join/#wowuidev harl (~harl@dslb-092-072-231-021.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`17:41.38`	`Fisker`	`i'm not the one who brought it up Adys ;#`
`17:41.40`	`Fisker`	`;3`
`17:41.49`	`harl`	`hallo`
`17:41.58`	`Legorol`	`i tried Portal today for the first time, thanks to the free promotion`
`17:42.04`	`Legorol`	`what an awesome game, i'd been missing out`
`17:42.05`	`Fisker`	`nice`
`17:42.07`	`Fisker`	`yeah`
`17:42.15`	`Legorol`	`omg, Fisker is agreeing with me`
`17:42.16`	`Legorol`	`hides`
`17:42.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`actually they use both alpha and beta in different places`
`17:42.57`	`Fisker`	`the only place i've heard them use "Alpha" was in the initial email invites`
`17:43.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`well, thats rather telling`
`17:43.31`	`cog\|work`	`maybe they're calling it beta on the website so they don't have to change all the alphas to betas when they switch to beta?`
`17:43.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Which no one is supposed to talk about, IIRC, so the grammar nazi shouldn't be such a problem.`
`17:43.38`	`cog\|work`	`even though it's actually an alpha`
`17:43.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`^`
`17:43.58`	`Fisker`	`i could understand graphics`
`17:44.00`	`Fisker`	`but otherwise no`
`17:44.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`Lopeppeppy: well seeing as the email happens before the NDA not really`
`17:44.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm with cog as a good explanation. Why put stuff on the web you have to update in a few weeks? Whatever they have up is awesome.`
`17:46.15`	`Fisker`	`Well they've been able to do for every previous test, i understand the reasoning but replace all in notepad takes care of everything but pictures`
`17:46.36`	`Adys`	`Fisker: i meant nobody cares you're a jerk anymore`
`17:46.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Why would they make extra work for themselves, even just a little?`
`17:47.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker's a jerk?`
`17:47.13`	`Lunessa`	`Say it isn't so!`
`17:47.13`	`Adys`	`kind of`
`17:47.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`but he seemed so nice`
`17:47.33`	`Fisker`	`I'm just wondering why it took them 5 years to figure out then`
`17:47.41`	`Fisker`	`Anyway i wonder how much the NDA can be enforced now :3`
`17:47.50`	`Fisker`	`well other than banning people from the forums of course`
`17:48.46`	`airtonix`	`Fisker, i will tell them you are in the padded cell next to mine`
`17:50.15`	`Ackis`	`flings poo at Fisker`
`17:50.30`	`airtonix`	`Ackis, are you a chimpanzee?`
`17:50.41`	`Ackis`	`maybe`
`17:50.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, thats just Ackis`
`17:50.45`	`Ackis`	`either way`
`17:50.48`	`Adys`	`airtonix: i dont know if he is, but I sure do enjoy imagining Ackis looking for poo to fling at Fisker`
`17:50.50`	`cog\|work`	`is a bonobo. wanna fuck?`
`17:50.50`	`Ackis`	`Fisker has shit on his face`
`17:50.54`	`Fisker`	`i wish`
`17:50.58`	`airtonix`	`loooool`
`17:51.06`	`Ackis`	`looks slyly at cog\|work`
`17:51.13`	`Ackis`	`gets out the wizard hat and robe`
`17:52.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Pointy hat trick?`
`17:53.08`	`Fisker`	`i'll show you pointy hats`
`17:53.09`	`Kalroth`	`rolls his 20d2`
`17:53.30`	`Fisker`	`gets out his starch`
`17:53.35`	`Fisker`	`now this is a pointy hat`
`17:55.07`	`Fisker`	`it's impossible Kalroth`
`17:55.30`	`Kalroth`	`nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it`
`17:55.37`	`Kalroth`	`.. which in your case makes it impossible!`
`17:56.00`	`Fisker`	`tries to roll 20 2-sided dice`
`17:56.10`	`Fisker`	`it doesn't work!`
`17:56.21`	`Shirik`	`gets out 20 pennies`
`17:56.43`	`Kalroth`	`See, Shirik figured it out`
`17:56.53`	`Fisker`	`except it has 3 sides and still doesn't roll`
`17:56.59`	`Fisker`	`well unless he gets them to land on the side`
`17:57.00`	`Fisker`	`;3`
`17:57.04`	`Shirik`	`..`
`17:57.16`	`Fisker`	`:(`
`17:57.24`	`Ackis`	`lol`
`17:57.30`	`airtonix`	`edge`
`18:00.52`	`Adys`	`kd33333333 dammit.`
`18:01.03`	`Adys`	`any winer with the ptr installed?`
`18:01.14`	`*** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~kd3@wikia/kaydeethree)`
`18:01.26`	`Adys`	`see`
`18:01.28`	`Adys`	`that right there`
`18:01.36`	`Vangual`	`scary`
`18:01.36`	`Adys`	`is the power of the Gods.`
`18:01.51`	`Adys`	`kd3: ping :P`
`18:01.51`	`Cide-`	`* kd3 has quit (Quit: brb)`
`18:02.03`	`Cide-`	`the power of the Gods indeed.`
`18:02.09`	`Adys`	`Cide-: i didnt even see it you jerkbag`
`18:02.12`	`kd3`	`hm?`
`18:02.14`	`Cide-`	`sure`
`18:02.30`	`Adys`	`kd3: can you give me a +wldap32 trace when you run the ptr without wldap32 ?`
`18:02.31`	`Fisker`	`if only i would be called a jerkbag`
`18:02.35`	`Fisker`	`Shirik jerk me off`
`18:02.41`	`Shirik`	`uh`
`18:02.42`	`Shirik`	`no`
`18:02.45`	`Cide-`	`slow down there buddy`
`18:03.05`	`kd3`	`sec`
`18:03.13`	`Fisker`	`don't worry i could always excuse with "I meant like keyboard cat that plays one off"`
`18:04.56`	`Adys`	`WINEDEBUG=+relay wine wow &> foo`
`18:04.59`	`Adys`	`DONT: do that`
`18:05.07`	`Adys`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 adys adys 2.1G 2010-05-14 21:04 foo`
`18:05.25`	`Shirik`	`cat /dev/hda1 > ~/hda1`
`18:05.41`	`Dagmar`	`Use kmem. Better write speeds`
`18:05.47`	`Adys`	`i dont have an hda1 you insensitive flop`
`18:05.59`	`Shirik`	`cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/audio`
`18:06.07`	`Dagmar`	`Glitch hop!`
`18:06.19`	`Adys`	`I'm not root you uneducated bitch`
`18:06.25`	`nevcairiel`	`can you even cat devices?`
`18:06.30`	`Dagmar`	`Yes.`
`18:06.35`	`Shirik`	`sudo cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/audio ?`
`18:06.37`	`nevcairiel`	`I would just use dd`
`18:06.55`	`Adys`	`I use pulse you degenerated svelt`
`18:07.04`	`Shirik`	`sudo rm -rf /`
`18:07.06`	`Shirik`	`ok`
`18:07.10`	`Fisker`	`beat me to it Shirik :(`
`18:07.28`	`Shirik`	`I win`
`18:07.35`	`*** join/#wowuidev isman (~drag@mlr78-3-88-162-68-235.fbx.proxad.net)`
`18:07.57`	`Fisker`	`lets "celebrate" Shirik`
`18:08.33`	`*** join/#wowuidev Adys (~Adys@unaffiliated/adys)`
`18:08.33`	`Dagmar`	`Adys: You use pulseaudio and you're calling him a degenerate`
`18:08.35`	`Dagmar`	`hah`
`18:08.44`	`Adys`	`Shirik: WHY U HAV 2 WIN`
`18:08.54`	`Adys`	`Dagmar: pulseaudio is miles better than alsa seriously`
`18:09.00`	`Adys`	`never EVER again am I using alsa`
`18:09.10`	`Adys`	`i thought until a few days ago i was using pulse because i had to`
`18:09.12`	`Adys`	`but no`
`18:09.13`	`nevcairiel`	`pulse is just a sound server ontop of alsa`
`18:09.20`	`Adys`	`i use pulse because alsa is a PIECE OF ASSCRAP`
`18:09.28`	`Adys`	`nevcairiel: yeah thats irrelevant`
`18:09.30`	`nevcairiel`	`alsa does the hardware access`
`18:09.40`	`nevcairiel`	`except if you use oss4`
`18:09.47`	`Shirik`	`is a member of the OSS`
`18:10.21`	`Cide-`	`is a member of the CSS`
`18:10.28`	`Bruners`	`pulseaudio is just aids on top of cancer`
`18:10.31`	`Adys`	`is a member of your MOM`
`18:10.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`is a member of the ASS`
`18:11.03`	`Dagmar`	`adys: Let me know when pulseaudio actually gets some hardware support`
`18:11.13`	`Adys`	`i dont care about that`
`18:11.16`	`Adys`	`really i dont`
`18:11.30`	`Dagmar`	`You will have little luck in getting pulse to work without alsa`
`18:11.45`	`Adys`	`i never said i wanted to get pulse working w/o alsa`
`18:11.49`	`Adys`	`i said alsa is a piece of garbage`
`18:12.02`	`Bruners`	`and what do you get when you combine garbage and crap ?`
`18:12.10`	`Adys`	`PA isn't crap`
`18:12.13`	`Adys`	`it's not exactly good`
`18:12.18`	`Adys`	`but it's certainly not crap`
`18:12.28`	`Dagmar`	`Bruners: A forum post asking "WTF is with you people who can't figure out to turn on dmix... seriously."`
`18:12.40`	`Dagmar`	`PA is a solution in search of a problem`
`18:12.57`	`Bruners`	`PA works great on ubuntu`
`18:13.00`	`krka`	`PA is crap`
`18:13.04`	`krka`	`PA on = stuttering`
`18:13.07`	`krka`	`PA off = nice sond`
`18:13.10`	`krka`	`*sound`
`18:13.12`	`Dagmar`	`When it works, it works fine`
`18:13.29`	`Dagmar`	`The thing is it causes as many problems as it solves`
`18:13.42`	`Dagmar`	`I'm not a fan of new problems just for the sake of saying "oooh shiny"`
`18:13.49`	`Shirik`	`Bruners: Is that because ubuntu is already garbage and crap put together?`
`18:14.12`	`Dagmar`	`Shirik: You've not seen what Canonical's done with it in awhile have you`
`18:14.19`	`Dagmar`	`Go find someone with Netbook Remix installed`
`18:14.33`	`Shirik`	`I choose not to follow Ubuntu's latest developments, intentionally`
`18:15.09`	`Dagmar`	`I know W7's not much of a metric, but you'll be hard pressed to find a problem with Netbook Remix on something that you knocked W7 starter out for`
`18:15.20`	`Bruners`	`Shirik: because ubuntu has patched their crap and garbage and made it less bad`
`18:15.25`	`Dagmar`	`It's almost disturbing how well it works`
`18:15.35`	`kd3`	`unr was nice, but I'm too used to fedora`
`18:15.40`	`Adys`	`[19:13:35] <Dagmar> I'm not a fan of new problems just for the sake of saying "oooh shiny"`
`18:15.43`	`Adys`	`thing is Dagmar`
`18:15.52`	`Adys`	`it solves my problems and it creates irrelevant problems to me`
`18:16.03`	`Cide-`	`W7 is a great metric`
`18:16.03`	`Adys`	`alsa creates problems relevant to everyone and doesnt solve any`
`18:16.10`	`*** join/#wowuidev jacobeiting (~jacobeiti@null-001b63ce15c9.dhcp.fnal.gov)`
`18:16.11`	`Dagmar`	`Cite one.`
`18:16.20`	`Bruners`	`i'm sure pulseaudio would be great if alsa was better`
`18:16.30`	`Cide-`	`* [cide] (~cide@206.75.246.66): cide`
`18:16.33`	`Cide-`	`does this guy not give up?`
`18:16.40`	`Adys`	`Im sure pulseaudio wouldn't be necessary if alsa was decent.`
`18:17.17`	`Bruners`	`Adys: pulseaudio can do some things that should never be in alsa or oss`
`18:17.18`	`Dagmar`	`The main two issues people run into with ALSA are 1) lack of hardware mux support on hardware ALSA somehow decided has it and 2) intel HD audio drivers that have no @#$@ clue what to set the output matrix to`
`18:17.33`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix1 (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`18:17.33`	`Dagmar`	`The solution to 1 is the same as it's always been... _enable dmix_.`
`18:17.39`	`kd3`	`grrs at HDA`
`18:17.42`	`Dagmar`	`The solution to 2 is to beat the hell out of some Intel engineers`
`18:17.51`	`kd3`	`but dmix has been enabled by default for fedora for how long now?`
`18:17.59`	`Dagmar`	`I am still waiting to see if I can get in on some of that #2 action`
`18:18.02`	`Bruners`	`Dagmar: does that solve unstable pulseaudio and poor audio qality ?`
`18:18.11`	`Adys`	`kd3: do you get anything else than a DllMain call in wldap32 when you login?`
`18:18.14`	`Ackis`	`I heard Fisker likes Justin Bieber!`
`18:18.16`	`kd3`	`sec`
`18:18.17`	`Dagmar`	`Bruners: Not using PA solves that pretty well. :)`
`18:18.27`	`kd3`	`I think this may actually be a problem of my own creating >.<`
`18:18.32`	`Bruners`	`i used alsa and PA and it worked ok`
`18:18.33`	`Dagmar`	`We banged on it for six months and finally just _gave up on it_`
`18:18.49`	`Dagmar`	`ESD is a pain in the ass, but at least it was _reliably_ a pain in the ass we could make work`
`18:18.51`	`nevcairiel`	`i never had issues with PA either`
`18:18.52`	`nevcairiel`	`works fine`
`18:18.55`	`Bruners`	`but having OSS4 it works great`
`18:19.09`	`Cide`	`Dagmar is a python fan`
`18:19.14`	`Cide`	`true or false?`
`18:19.14`	`Dagmar`	`Am no!`
`18:19.24`	`Dagmar`	`I dunna like python.`
`18:19.29`	`Cide`	`stop using underscores 3 times a line then`
`18:19.42`	`Cide`	`SELF-BURN`
`18:19.47`	`Bruners`	`Cide: underscore is niz`
`18:19.51`	`Dagmar`	`Don't make me call you a noob.`
`18:20.05`	`Dagmar`	`People have been using underscores to make up for the lack of an underline code since the 90's`
`18:20.10`	`Dagmar`	`ACtually, the 80's.`
`18:20.21`	`Cide`	`just sayin'. python lover.`
`18:20.28`	`Adys`	`agreed with Cide`
`18:20.36`	`Dagmar`	`If I wanted to code in python I'd go ahead and learn the rest of C.`
`18:20.54`	`Cide`	`what? :P`
`18:20.54`	`Bruners`	`let me guess, Cide's irc client doesnt replace _ to underline`
`18:21.00`	`Dagmar`	`I have better things to do with my time than explicitly type things for a scripting language.`
`18:21.12`	`Cide`	`wait what?`
`18:21.17`	`Cide`	`anyway, Bruners, no`
`18:21.26`	`Adys`	`Cide: a mail from some python-dev mailing list thread`
`18:21.27`	`Cide`	`what irc client does that anyway?`
`18:21.29`	`Adys`	`The python developers are _really_ getting heavy at me for moving Py_Initialize() around and doing all sorts of weird shit like _assuming_ for a _brief_ period of time a process should _never_ start up with its stdin and stdout in the _first_ place.`
`18:21.36`	`Bruners`	`Cide: the sain ones`
`18:21.41`	`Cide`	`the irony`
`18:21.49`	`Bruners`	`Cide: irssi for one`
`18:21.50`	`Adys`	`Bruners: irc clients with formatting?`
`18:21.56`	`Cide`	`the sain irc clients do it`
`18:21.59`	`Cide`	`says it all`
`18:22.01`	`Cide`	`:D`
`18:22.05`	`Dagmar`	`Wait, when do processes not have the standard pipes when they launch?`
`18:22.18`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`18:22.19`	`Dagmar`	`I thought that was like, basic unix`
`18:22.25`	`Cide`	`Adys: there you go`
`18:22.36`	`Cide`	`huh Dagmar?`
`18:22.41`	`Adys`	`hey nevcairiel`
`18:22.51`	`kd3`	`so the wldap32.dll thing is throwing a seh, but I can log in, not that I'm actually installing native ldap`
`18:22.53`	`Cide`	`pretty sure pipes work just fine with python's stdin/stdout`
`18:23.05`	`kd3`	`completely forgot about the wine-ldap package`
`18:23.18`	`Shirik`	`uh`
`18:23.19`	`Shirik`	`kd3`
`18:23.20`	`kd3`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/136463`
`18:23.24`	`Shirik`	`how do you throw an seh?`
`18:23.39`	`Fisker`	`i throw a meh`
`18:23.43`	`kd3`	`s/throw/raise/`
`18:23.45`	`Fisker`	`an*`
`18:23.50`	`Shirik`	`well`
`18:23.55`	`Shirik`	`SEH is the handler o.o;`
`18:24.00`	`Shirik`	`that's what the H is`
`18:24.02`	`Adys`	`kd3: that makes fuck all sense`
`18:24.03`	`Dagmar`	`MEH is for less important problems`
`18:24.10`	`Adys`	`kd3: is this wine self-compiled?`
`18:24.20`	`Shirik`	`however`
`18:24.24`	`Shirik`	`fuck structured exceptions`
`18:24.32`	`kd3`	`negative; using fedora's rpms. lemme snag the tarball`
`18:24.34`	`Adys`	`fuck windows, Shirik tbh`
`18:24.36`	`Shirik`	`worst invention of Microsoft ever`
`18:24.47`	`Dagmar`	`kd3: You dont' suppose there's some really bizarre conflict with symbols from libldap or something do you?`
`18:24.53`	`Shirik`	`Leads to applications going "Oh, access violation. Um..... ok just keep doing whatever you were doing lol"`
`18:24.56`	`Fisker`	`you could always use mac`
`18:25.01`	`Shirik`	`WoW throws access violations all over the place`
`18:25.06`	`Shirik`	`and then hides them under the rug`
`18:25.43`	`Cide`	`sounds like good programming`
`18:26.20`	`kd3`	`oh, woo. the shuttle's up`
`18:26.32`	`Dagmar`	`I dont' know how the wine dll resolution gets handled so I can't say if that's even something that can happen, but it wouldnt' suprise me`
`18:26.40`	`Dagmar`	`THe linker, she is a harsh mistress at times`
`18:27.41`	`Dagmar`	`Hrm... Good think I didn't pre-order SCII from Best Buy`
`18:27.50`	`Cide`	`how so?`
`18:28.07`	`kd3`	`adys; using git at 1.1.44 http://wowi.pastey.net/136464 (no changes)`
`18:28.08`	`Dagmar`	`Apparently a number of they beta keys they sent out are bouncing back at people`
`18:28.22`	`Dagmar`	`Punch 'em into Battle.net and get a "that key has already been used"`
`18:28.46`	`Shirik`	`turns off his brute-force beta key generator before he is detected`
`18:28.52`	`Dagmar`	`heh`
`18:28.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Are those "sent" keys, or ones that people won off the internet and are sharing around with people to be ha-ha funny?`
`18:28.59`	`Adys`	`is there a way to grep on stderr as an app runs?`
`18:29.06`	`Shirik`	`Adys: tee?`
`18:29.14`	`Dagmar`	`Lopeppeppy: Sent keys. There's a bit of chatter on BB's forum about it`
`18:29.15`	`Adys`	`yea what syntax?`
`18:29.21`	`Shirik`	`or even better`
`18:29.27`	`Shirik`	`you could just uh`
`18:29.42`	`Shirik`	`oh wait`
`18:29.46`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
`18:29.48`	`Shirik`	`I don't know`
`18:29.52`	`Shirik`	`all I know is &2>`
`18:30.00`	`Dagmar`	`adys: amd \| tee filename \| grep blah`
`18:30.06`	`Dagmar`	`s/amd/cmd/;`
`18:30.11`	`Fisker`	`When i got my SC2 beta key for my preorder it was like the 6th beta key i got`
`18:30.19`	`Shirik`	`omg cmd on linux`
`18:30.20`	`Adys`	`thanks Dagmar`
`18:30.21`	`Fisker`	`big woop`
`18:30.29`	`Ackis`	`Fisker: wow 6? ass!`
`18:30.39`	`Fisker`	`Blame Blizzard not me`
`18:31.16`	`Adys`	`Dagmar: yeah that didnt work`
`18:31.27`	`Dagmar`	`Adys: What are you trying to capture?`
`18:31.33`	`Adys`	`stderr`
`18:31.34`	`*** join/#wowuidev Gryphon (~gryphon@c-71-227-239-71.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`18:31.38`	`Fisker`	`btw Ackis`
`18:31.41`	`Adys`	`WINEDEBUG=+relay wine wow \| grep -i ldap`
`18:31.43`	`Adys`	`something like this`
`18:31.44`	`Dagmar`	`Throw in a 2>&1 there somewhere then`
`18:31.46`	`Adys`	`except that works on stderr`
`18:31.48`	`Fisker`	`anything you want to know about the beta i can tell you`
`18:31.48`	`Adys`	`ok`
`18:31.55`	`Fisker`	`we got a limited time of opportunity here`
`18:31.56`	`Shirik`	`yeah that's what you can do`
`18:32.11`	`Shirik`	`cmd 2>&1 \| grep blah`
`18:32.34`	`Shirik`	`is there really no 2\| ?`
`18:32.38`	`Shirik`	`I've never found one`
`18:33.52`	`Dagmar`	`ayds: It could be worse... http://www.pastey.net/136468`
`18:33.58`	`Dagmar`	`Yes, I wrote that, and astonishingly it works.`
`18:35.23`	`Dagmar`	`spew() is just a wrapper to echo() that works a bit more like syslog() calls`
`18:36.03`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`18:36.49`	`Lunessa`	`FACEPALM Classes for early summer and the summer session start TOMORROW, and this professor is coming in TODAY to ask for his content to be loaded.`
`18:37.31`	`Gagorian`	`You are loading your professors content? Sounds kinky`
`18:38.01`	`Lunessa`	`At least they're not Twittering MySpace or Googling my Yahoo.`
`18:38.31`	`Dagmar`	`You're right. You don't want strangers Yahooing your Googles`
`18:38.43`	`Dagmar`	`It's unsanitary.`
`18:38.47`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Lunessa, they do the same thing to me. It's universal arrogance.`
`18:38.50`	`Lunessa`	`Dangerous.`
`18:39.27`	`Lunessa`	`Peppy - I said, Um, you know the session starts tomorrow, right? We were supposed to know about this weeks ago?`
`18:39.51`	`Lunessa`	`And he was properly abashed, but ... Now it's an emergency.`
`18:40.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah. Always their lack of proper planning becomes our "drop everything" emergency.`
`18:40.37`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oiy.`
`18:40.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I just found out that my freakin' workplace posts my personal information online. I am unpleased.`
`18:41.23`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`18:41.49`	`cog\|work`	`yeesh`
`18:41.57`	`Dagmar`	`Lopeppeppy: KILL`
`18:42.05`	`cog\|work`	`sue`
`18:42.58`	`Dagmar`	`Lopeppeppy: Wait... your dept isn't responsible for maintaining that is it>?`
`18:43.12`	`Dagmar`	`The amount of paperwork someone's going to have to do because of that will be epic.`
`18:43.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`We maintain the General Mishmash of the Web. We don't maintain their site specifically.`
`18:43.38`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Kill... killl...KILL.... KILLL!`
`18:44.11`	`cog\|work`	`kill, sue, either way you should be set for life ;)`
`18:44.58`	`Kraps`	`have some fire handy`
`18:44.59`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`18:46.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`sigh My whole day has been this way. From the cats to the breakfast exploding to the lunch exploding... argh.`
`18:46.17`	`Lunessa`	`This just in... Fire still hot.`
`18:46.35`	`Lopeppeppy`	`At least I got my inbox down to just 10 messages, none of which are queued action.`
`18:46.44`	`Dagmar`	`Lopeppeppy: Don't tempt fate. There's still time for the cats to explode.`
`18:47.45`	`Ackis`	`this is me today! http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/funny-pictures-cat-is-sulking.jpg`
`18:47.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They did that yesterday morning, attempted murder in the living room.`
`18:48.59`	`cog\|work`	`changes Fisker between sequence points`
`18:49.01`	`airtonix`	`Lopeppeppy, why so cat victim ?`
`18:49.05`	`Adys`	`kd3: 64bit or 32bit?`
`18:49.07`	`Adys`	`i think i found the issue`
`18:49.14`	`Kraps`	`Lopeppeppy: the reason wolf is the best raiding pet is its special ability`
`18:49.16`	`Adys`	`which may be related to ubuntu's packaging`
`18:49.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Kendra is still trying to prove her dominance, beating the snot out of Rosie every time I blink.`
`18:49.23`	`Kraps`	`http://www.wow-petopia.com/html/skills/skills_furioushowl.html`
`18:49.24`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Kraps, what does it do best?`
`18:49.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, the howl. Does that still apply?`
`18:49.48`	`Kraps`	`every pet has its own ability`
`18:49.48`	`Lunessa`	`Eat hot dogs and crap on the rug.`
`18:50.42`	`Dagmar`	`Lopeppeppy: Far as I know it does`
`18:50.51`	`Dagmar`	`It's not a huge difference or anything, but it's there`
`18:51.07`	`Kraps`	`Lopeppeppy: it increases the hunters dps and stacks with other ap buffs`
`18:51.51`	`Kraps`	`lol http://www.wow-petopia.com/html/skills/skills_badattitude.html`
`18:51.52`	`Dagmar`	`If you're effectively considering all other pet ablities that are not DPS to be useless, you'll want a wolf`
`18:52.32`	`Ackis`	`asfdjkl;`
`18:53.03`	`Kraps`	`i disagree Ackis`
`18:54.42`	`Dagmar`	`Kraps: It's useful for clearing Scarlet Monastery. ;)`
`18:54.52`	`Kraps`	`heh`
`18:55.21`	`Kraps`	`i gotta go tame one`
`18:56.03`	`Thrae`	`14:54 < Kraps> i gotta go tame one <-- another hilarious innuendo if you don't scroll up!`
`18:56.15`	`Kraps`	`:(`
`19:00.45`	`Dagmar`	`Ya think maybe ther'es still time to get Blizz to convert whatever their new "Piss off Hunters everywhere" achievement in Cata to require you simply take a _screenshot_ of the rare spacebear?`
`19:01.21`	`Dagmar`	`I just saw Arcturis again this morning.`
`19:01.23`	`Dagmar`	`Dead.`
`19:01.27`	`nevcairiel`	`they should just not make rare mobs be special for hunters`
`19:01.30`	`Adys`	`anyone ever used berkeleydb in their project?`
`19:02.00`	`nevcairiel`	`btw, if i see a rare, i kill it, no matter any achievements`
`19:02.04`	`*** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (~Thunder_C@ppp-71-140-200-244.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)`
`19:02.04`	`*** join/#wowuidev TC-Away (~Thunder_C@WoWUIDev/PITA/TC)`
`19:02.45`	`*** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (~dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal)`
`19:02.49`	`*** join/#wowuidev PfhorSlayer (~dbarrie@174-31-245-27.tukw.qwest.net)`
`19:03.56`	`Adys`	`my god.`
`19:04.00`	`Adys`	`why do people use cvs`
`19:04.12`	`Adys`	`I just wrote these two commands within 30 seconds of eachother`
`19:04.16`	`Adys`	`CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.OpenLDAP.org:/repo/OpenLDAP cvs login && cvs -z3 checkout -P -rOPENLDAP_RELEASE openldap-src && cvs logout`
`19:04.21`	`Adys`	`bzr branch lp:berkeley-db`
`19:04.26`	`airtonix`	`same reason they use xbox and windows`
`19:05.25`	`*** join/#wowuidev KarlKFI (~KarlKFI@ip70-181-89-32.oc.oc.cox.net)`
`19:06.02`	`*** join/#wowuidev Fisker (n_a@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk)`
`19:07.42`	`Cide`	`what's with the microsoft hate? honestly`
`19:07.45`	`Fisker`	`wut`
`19:07.50`	`Fisker`	`battle.net terms were just changed`
`19:07.58`	`Cide`	`windows is superior to your shitty os, airtonix`
`19:08.11`	`airtonix`	`nomnom rage moar`
`19:08.12`	`Fisker`	`16.2 Facebook. If you have a registered âFacebook Accountâ you may opt-in to the âFacebook Friendsâ feature which will allow you to see which of your Facebook friends are registered on the Service. The âFacebook Accountâ is subject to separate terms and conditions provided by Facebook Inc. Note that if you have a Facebook account, your Facebook friends will be able to associate your screen name with your real name on`
`19:08.14`	`Fisker`	`yes sir`
`19:08.16`	`Fisker`	`no opt-in`
`19:08.31`	`Fisker`	`gives Blizzard a free failcake`
`19:08.43`	`NeoTron`	`what do you mean "no opt-in?`
`19:09.05`	`NeoTron`	`you specifically need a registered facebook account AND you need to opt-in to "facebook friends"... that's like double opt-in`
`19:09.13`	`Fisker`	`no`
`19:09.26`	`Cide`	`your paste got cut off also`
`19:09.26`	`Lopeppeppy`	`blows up her Google Mini for fun and profit.`
`19:09.32`	`Fisker`	`where Cide ?`
`19:09.38`	`Fisker`	`might've been lost then`
`19:09.45`	`Cide`	`"your screen name with your real name on"`
`19:09.55`	`Fisker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:09.59`	`Fisker`	`there's the rest`
`19:10.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`That sucks for a dino.`
`19:10.27`	`Fisker`	`Meaning if i use facebook(thankfully i do not) then they can use the feature to associate their friends with battle.net accounts etc.`
`19:10.39`	`Fisker`	`so it's opt-in for them to expose my privacy, not the other way around`
`19:10.41`	`Cide`	`<Fisker> 16.2 Facebook. If you have a registered Facebook Account you may opt-in`
`19:10.50`	`Cide`	`yeah, maybe`
`19:10.52`	`Cide`	`maybe not`
`19:11.00`	`Dagmar`	`...and then Facebook can share your information with russian criminals for a tidy sum of money`
`19:11.13`	`Cide`	`(using different email addresses is hard)`
`19:11.18`	`Fisker`	`terms of services are usually very ambiguous`
`19:11.38`	`Cide`	`so how do I store subclassed instances of an ABC in an std::vector?`
`19:11.52`	`Ackis`	`std! tehehe`
`19:12.00`	`Ackis`	`aren't they called sti's now adays?`
`19:12.15`	`Cide`	`funny`
`19:12.25`	`Ackis`	`it's not a laughing matter`
`19:12.27`	`Ackis`	`just ask Fisker`
`19:12.42`	`nevcairiel`	`you think too much in terms of proper generics, but those are just funny templates!`
`19:13.14`	`nevcairiel`	`although i guess you could just create ABC vector and store them in there.. shouldnt that work ? :d`
`19:13.38`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`19:14.05`	`NeoTron`	`I must admit, I don't miss the intricaties of c++ + STL + templates when working in Java.`
`19:14.14`	`Cide`	`can't instantiate abstract classes`
`19:15.04`	`nevcairiel`	`hrm, it needs classes to be instantiate-able(sp..?) to use them for a vector?`
`19:15.06`	`Shirik`	`how`
`19:15.06`	`nevcairiel`	`silly STL`
`19:15.07`	`Shirik`	`how the hell`
`19:15.13`	`Shirik`	`can you prefer Java generics oer C++`
`19:15.17`	`Shirik`	`over*`
`19:15.23`	`Cide`	`nevcairiel: not as pointers`
`19:15.25`	`Shirik`	`and nevcairiel`
`19:15.30`	`Shirik`	`of course`
`19:15.35`	`Shirik`	`because doing something like that would invoke the copy constructor`
`19:15.38`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker: ah so basically if you're my facebook friend and YOU opt in (doubly), you can add ME as a real friend without me explicedly agreeing`
`19:15.42`	`Shirik`	`if you don't want to do that, use a pointer`
`19:15.46`	`haste`	`buy two iPad -- multitask`
`19:15.51`	`nevcairiel`	`I can create a List of any abstract type in java!`
`19:15.53`	`Cide`	`what if I don't want a pointer Shirik :(`
`19:16.05`	`NeoTron`	`that's going to be amusing for those with facebook friends that are Blizzard employees...`
`19:16.09`	`Cide`	`gotta manage the memory of pointers`
`19:16.12`	`Shirik`	`Cide: Then use a boost::shared_ptr?`
`19:16.24`	`Cide`	`maybe`
`19:16.28`	`Cide`	`but I don't have boost`
`19:16.34`	`Shirik`	`you could!`
`19:16.34`	`Cide`	`I tried to install it last night`
`19:16.37`	`Cide`	`it failed miserably`
`19:16.51`	`Cide`	`specifically boost.python`
`19:17.09`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker: actually realid friends needs to be confirmed on both ends - I suspect the other party would still have to agree to be your friend`
`19:17.24`	`nevcairiel`	`of course`
`19:18.23`	`Cide`	`Shirik: pretty sure it increases the footprint of this project pretty massively though`
`19:18.24`	`NeoTron`	`basically all it is is a way to avoid entering email address of people on your facebook friend list`
`19:18.47`	`NeoTron`	`Shirik: I prefer java over c++`
`19:19.02`	`NeoTron`	`Shirik: stl/templates get so damn ugly when debugging`
`19:19.02`	`Shirik`	`Cide: The linker should thwack just about everything`
`19:19.07`	`olafski`	`^5's neotron`
`19:19.10`	`Shirik`	`NeoTron: Maybe, but Java doesn't let you do a ton of shit`
`19:19.22`	`Shirik`	`Like you can't instantiate a T from within a generic`
`19:19.22`	`Kraps`	`http://www.wowbash.com/images/1273792277.png`
`19:19.23`	`NeoTron`	`Shirik: does everything I need it to do for my job. :P`
`19:19.23`	`Cide`	`Shirik: yeah, but it's a higher threshold for users to grab the source`
`19:19.30`	`Shirik`	`The biggest thing I have a problem with is that`
`19:19.34`	`NeoTron`	`generics in java are rather limited for sue`
`19:19.38`	`Shirik`	`The second biggest thing is that Java generics aren't even generic`
`19:19.38`	`Kraps`	`http://www.wowbash.com/images/1273844896.jpg`
`19:19.42`	`Shirik`	`it's entirely a hack`
`19:19.46`	`Cide`	`most annoying part about java generics is autoboxing`
`19:19.47`	`NeoTron`	`understood`
`19:19.51`	`Shirik`	`you can't even tell what T you're working with at runtime`
`19:19.53`	`nevcairiel`	`You can instanticate a T`
`19:19.56`	`Shirik`	`because it doesn't even know`
`19:19.56`	`nevcairiel`	`you need to cheat, though`
`19:20.05`	`nevcairiel`	`using reflections`
`19:20.07`	`Cide`	`oh hi Integer i = null;`
`19:20.20`	`NeoTron`	`but again, it doesn't stop me from doing everything I need to do`
`19:20.25`	`Dagmar`	`Cide: Well, one saving grace is that boost is actually packaged by a few distros`
`19:20.38`	`Cide`	`that's fortunate I guess`
`19:20.42`	`nevcairiel`	`boost is funny like that, it tends to change its ABI every minor release`
`19:21.07`	`Fisker`	`NeoTron the real id and facebook systems, while interwoven are infact two different systems`
`19:21.09`	`olafski`	`lol kraps :DD`
`19:21.58`	`Fisker`	`According to the wording i can "opt-in" for Facebook Friends, and then all my facebook friends will be automatically added to this system`
`19:22.15`	`Fisker`	`You could argue that i already agreed to be his friend in battle.net by being his friend on facebook`
`19:22.29`	`*** join/#wowuidev Aeyan (~pancake@cpe-174-098-002-214.triad.res.rr.com)`
`19:22.42`	`Fisker`	`But of course, even though i don't even use Facebook and therefor isn't affect, some people would very much like control`
`19:22.54`	`Fisker`	`Also like i don't want people to be able to see my friends over Real ID`
`19:24.14`	`Dagmar`	`So don't link it to your facebook account`
`19:24.28`	`Fisker`	`That's my point Dagmar`
`19:24.39`	`Fisker`	`According to the wording of the agreement, it doesn't matter if i link it to my facebook account`
`19:24.57`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`19:25.06`	`Dagmar`	`Oh so you think there's something magical that can figure out which facebook account is yours?`
`19:25.11`	`Dagmar`	`THey're not Google.`
`19:25.20`	`Fisker`	`e-mail is a good place to start Dagmar`
`19:25.23`	`Dagmar`	`Anyway, like you have friends`
`19:25.34`	`Fisker`	`^^`
`19:25.36`	`Fisker`	`or facebook`
`19:25.52`	`Dagmar`	`Well, if they keep up with their current approach, I suspect we'll all be deleting our FB accounts soon anyway`
`19:25.56`	`Fisker`	`roh roh`
`19:26.07`	`Dagmar`	`My page is available to friends only for a reason.`
`19:26.07`	`Fisker`	`they closed/fixed the cataclysm forums`
`19:26.23`	`Dagmar`	`If they start giving that "friend" level of access to random companies for a fee, fuck them.`
`19:26.25`	`Dagmar`	`I'm out`
`19:26.38`	`Lunessa`	`Dagmar: I'm seriously considering it now.`
`19:26.43`	`Dagmar`	`I will drop them in an eyeblink`
`19:26.46`	`olafski`	`smart idea`
`19:26.54`	`Lunessa`	`And I've got my account locked pretty hard.`
`19:27.12`	`Dagmar`	`I'm already pissed that there's private firms offering to basically get around your privacy settings to give to nosy HR peopel`
`19:27.27`	`Thrae`	`Speaking of referalls, I wonder if Blizzard has responded to my GM ticket yet`
`19:27.33`	`Thrae`	`It's been about 3 weeks I think`
`19:28.16`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`19:28.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm about a heartbeat away from deleting mine, except it's the only way I keep track of far-flung family.`
`19:28.35`	`Arrowmaster`	`omg`
`19:28.40`	`Dagmar`	`I'm quite clear with HR people about that.`
`19:28.57`	`Dagmar`	`If they're going to go messing about in my online life, I'll just rescind my application`
`19:29.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`i just got a big box with a new war axe, fucking serial number 0069`
`19:29.33`	`NeoTron`	`Fisker: A friend noted he got access after doing a PTR copy. oops?`
`19:29.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`that has so many innuendos Arrowmaster`
`19:29.55`	`*** join/#wowuidev Esamynn\|Away (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn)`
`19:29.55`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn\|Away] by ChanServ`
`19:30.19`	`Fisker`	`oops indeed NeoTron`
`19:30.45`	`NeoTron`	`Dagmar: YOU opt in to facebook but it reads like once YOU have opted in, your bnet ccount get real friends from emails of your facebook buddies, even if they haven't opted in`
`19:30.47`	`olafski`	`I feel like such an open book compared to some of the opinions I see here about privacy :P`
`19:30.54`	`Dagmar`	`FB's new policy and Battle.net are a BAD mix, IMHO`
`19:31.20`	`*** join/#wowuidev Sajaki (~Sajaki@32.229-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)`
`19:31.36`	`Dagmar`	`I'm guesstimating it'll take less than a month for people to start getting spearfishing mails that appear to come from their _actual_ friends in an effort to steal accounts.`
`19:32.10`	`Thrae`	`Hahaha`
`19:32.14`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://www.kitrae.net/fantasy/images/KR0037%20Spec.jpg what i just got`
`19:32.19`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah you laugh but thta will be horrifyingly bad`
`19:32.20`	`Thrae`	`Blizzard deleted the ticket I was paitently waiting on for like 3 weeks`
`19:32.23`	`Dagmar`	`Oh`
`19:32.29`	`Thrae`	`Without any intervention or response`
`19:32.36`	`Thrae`	`I made a new ticket`
`19:32.56`	`Dagmar`	`Arrowmaster: That's a really great way to say "GIT OFFA MAH LAWN!"`
`19:33.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats what this one is for http://www.kitrae.net/fantasy/kr22-black_legion.html`
`19:34.13`	`Dagmar`	`I think the first one has better scary factor`
`19:34.55`	`Arrowmaster`	`and ive got number 0358 of http://www.kitrae.net/fantasy/KR0046A_ad.html`
`19:37.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`cant remember the serial number on this one i got last week http://www.kitrae.net/fantasy/images/KR0038A%20spec.jpg`
`19:37.41`	`haste`	`Fisker: this is your fault!`
`19:37.59`	`olafski`	`what do you do with all these things arrowmaster?`
`19:38.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`collect them`
`19:38.52`	`*** join/#wowuidev daev (~bleh@pool-72-86-116-158.aubnin.fios.verizon.net)`
`19:38.52`	`olafski`	`hmkay :<`
`19:39.16`	`*** join/#wowuidev robotusch (~robotusch@50A2E67F.flatrate.dk)`
`19:40.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`ive got 14 of them in the room with me right now and 2 more on the way`
`19:40.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats the entire collection`
`19:40.13`	`Dagmar`	`They need to start making those with something that can be certified for combat`
`19:40.31`	`Lunessa`	`This is how I say "git offa my lawn!" http://www.e-gun.net/more.asp?gid=20386&gun=Revolver`
`19:41.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Peppy wants that for her birthday.`
`19:42.00`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix-lagtop (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`19:42.17`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kandoko (~Kandoko@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Kandoko)`
`19:43.05`	`Adys`	`pokes kd3`
`19:44.09`	`Arrowmaster`	`my neighbor has a snub barrel pistol grip 12guage with extended 'mag', aka a door breacher, just barely squeaks by the legal limits`
`19:44.14`	`spode`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:44.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`and he has used it for 'get offa my lawn!'`
`19:44.27`	`airtonix`	`Arrowmaster, http://www.kitrae.net/fantasy/images/KR0037%20Spec.jpg << whats tiny sharp bit for ?`
`19:44.30`	`Gagorian`	`spode: Interesting...`
`19:44.48`	`*** join/#wowuidev tekkub (~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub)`
`19:45.27`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ`
`19:45.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`airtonix: painful hip checking`
`19:45.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`The pointy bits go into the bad guy, airtonix.`
`19:45.30`	`cog\|work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:45.34`	`airtonix`	`hip integrity testing?`
`19:46.20`	`Lunessa`	`ROFL: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702405700&sid=1&pageNo=2#22`
`19:46.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`voooooo deeeee dooooooo`
`19:47.02`	`Lunessa`	`Arrowmaster: My .44 mag revolver is a legacy from my father. It's a goddamned cannon.`
`19:47.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`#24 is the response I hear the most.`
`19:47.37`	`Lunessa`	`I rather expect I could shoot down aircraft with it. It's so big it scares me sometimes.`
`19:48.09`	`Lunessa`	`Peppy - Never from /me/.`
`19:48.11`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah that same neighbor has a bigass .44 mag too that he carries`
`19:48.41`	`Lunessa`	`I don't carry, because I'm too lazy to go take the class and get the permit.`
`19:48.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Because Lunessa is a hybrid and understands the pain.`
`19:48.49`	`Lunessa`	`:D`
`19:53.27`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok miss-count, there are 14 swords, 2 axes, and 2 daggers around my room`
`19:55.19`	`Fisker`	`btw jnwhiteh you got any inside scoops on 2.2?`
`19:55.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh and i also ordered replicas of riddicks blades`
`19:58.04`	`Lunessa`	`The opening sequence of the second movie is BADASS`
`19:58.20`	`Lunessa`	`The rest of the movie sucks. But that opening bit ROCKS`
`19:58.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`no the tea cup was the best part`
`19:58.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`followed by the can opener`
`19:58.57`	`Lunessa`	`Ok, that bit was pretty fun too.`
`19:59.29`	`Lunessa`	`I just like where he's all "First mistake, you only brought X men to take me."`
`20:00.17`	`olafski`	`X men can take on anyone :(`
`20:00.36`	`Lunessa`	`I used X in the algebraic sense.`
`20:00.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`i think it was 4`
`20:01.29`	`Fisker`	`Arrowmaster`
`20:01.31`	`Fisker`	`you cannot stop me`
`20:01.37`	`haste`	`stabs Fisker.`
`20:01.47`	`haste`	`why is RC made out of shit`
`20:02.01`	`haste`	`and why does random BG always yield eye of the storms`
`20:02.27`	`Fisker`	`QQQQQQQQQQQQ`
`20:02.29`	`*** join/#wowuidev Sajaki (~Sajaki@63.125-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)`
`20:02.34`	`Fisker`	`why does germans suck haste ?`
`20:02.50`	`haste`	`they don't`
`20:02.55`	`Fisker`	`they do`
`20:03.05`	`Lunessa`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCPqvW8ycEQ`
`20:04.08`	`Lunessa`	`Crappy quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3yNuUsDLKE`
`20:05.08`	`Fisker`	`fines haste for having wireless access points without passwords`
`20:05.43`	`airtonix`	`<3 cuda`
`20:07.46`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`20:09.50`	`Fisker`	`http://gizmodo.com/5539191/exploded-phone//gallery/3 <-wtf is that plastic bag'ish thing?`
`20:09.57`	`Fisker`	`don't tell me it's the battery`
`20:10.33`	`*** join/#wowuidev Repo (~supybot@repos.curseforge.net)`
`20:10.58`	`Cide`	`<Guest5809> I hate you`
`20:10.58`	`Cide`	`<Guest5809> You will die by the sword`
`20:11.03`	`Cide`	`/whois Guest5809`
`20:11.07`	`Cide`	`[Guest5809] (~cide@206.75.246.66): cide`
`20:11.14`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`20:11.36`	`Dagmar`	`Fisker: It used to be the battery`
`20:12.58`	`Zyn`	`well, I guess that's what happens shades when you call a hot line`
`20:13.16`	`Fisker`	`yes Cide`
`20:13.17`	`Fisker`	`yeeeeees`
`20:19.09`	`*** join/#wowuidev Sajaki (~Sajaki@246.87-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)`
`20:19.11`	`Kraps`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7feMf1tLcSA&playnext_from=TL&videos=Fd82vVnx0qE`
`20:23.56`	`Cide`	`Error: shared_ptr is not a template`
`20:24.00`	`Cide`	`since when?!`
`20:31.06`	`*** join/#wowuidev jacobeiting (~jacobeiti@null-001b63ce15c9.dhcp.fnal.gov)`
`20:35.41`	`Cide`	`go me`
`20:37.46`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix-lagtop (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`20:38.24`	`cog\|work`	`Cide: http://golang.org/`
`20:38.28`	`cog\|work`	`consider yourself goed`
`20:38.54`	`Fisker`	`consider yourself olded`
`20:38.58`	`Cide`	`wait what?`
`20:39.11`	`cog\|work`	`you told us to go you so i did`
`20:39.38`	`Fisker`	`oh i saw what you did there`
`20:41.54`	`Cide`	`funnay`
`20:42.02`	`Cide`	`you win cog`
`20:47.03`	`Lunessa`	`Now I want to play Go, FU cog.`
`20:47.35`	`nevcairiel`	`I should use Go for something, its really a neat language`
`20:47.50`	`cog\|work`	`i should use D for something, same reason`
`20:48.17`	`nevcairiel`	`also their channel is #go-nuts :P`
`20:48.43`	`cog\|work`	`D's slogan should be "Harder to search for than C"`
`20:49.19`	`haste`	`and dsource is as stable as luaforge on a bad month`
`20:59.30`	`Fisker`	`blows up haste`
`20:59.36`	`Fisker`	`you didn't pay your fines`
`20:59.45`	`*** join/#wowuidev Stew-a (~Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753)`
`21:04.07`	`airtonix`	`lol this has been my experience at college so far :`
`21:04.10`	`airtonix`	`The way you worded your post reminds me of those retarded opinion questions they would always ask you in English class. Shit's like "Is henry a bad person for buying a radio? Explain." Then I'd answer with something like "Yeah, he should have spent that money on food." and somehow that would be a wrong answer.`
`21:04.13`	`haste`	`Fisker: this is your fault`
`21:04.47`	`airtonix`	`they dont want you to think, only to regurgitate and demonstrate that you are a good soldier`
`21:04.51`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`21:05.44`	`*** join/#wowuidev Sajaki (~Sajaki@69.112-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)`
`21:08.54`	`Cide`	`if you wanted to think you should have taken math class`
`21:12.53`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`21:17.10`	`*** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz)`
`21:17.20`	`bluspacecow`	`\o`
`21:18.32`	`cog\|work`	`,/`
`21:18.34`	`cog\|work`	`o/*`
`21:19.05`	`bluspacecow`	`i love it when i get paid to come in and erm do no work :)`
`21:19.28`	`cog\|work`	`looks around innocently`
`21:19.37`	`bluspacecow`	`my workmates daughter passed away about 2 weeks ago so i got asked to come in and sit with her for support`
`21:19.39`	`cog\|work`	`resumes reading EC++`
`21:19.52`	`bluspacecow`	`I got to update the PTR guide on wowwiki ^_^`
`21:20.39`	`cog\|work`	`we're in a lull between wine releases. Phones are ringing about once every hour and a half`
`21:20.55`	`bluspacecow`	`you in the states`
`21:21.00`	`bluspacecow`	`usa ?`
`21:21.09`	`cog\|work`	`california`
`21:21.13`	`bluspacecow`	`in USD how much is a bottle of wine ?`
`21:21.16`	`Adys`	`kd3: FOUND IT <3`
`21:21.17`	`*** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Antiarc@ip70-190-192-186.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`21:21.28`	`cog\|work`	`ours or in general?`
`21:21.33`	`bluspacecow`	`in general`
`21:22.14`	`cog\|work`	`you can get not bad wine for ~$15. Good wines are usually at least $25`
`21:22.22`	`cog\|work`	`ours are $60-120`
`21:22.24`	`bluspacecow`	`huh !`
`21:22.31`	`bluspacecow`	`silly complaining forum users`
`21:22.41`	`bluspacecow`	`wow is cheaper then your whine`
`21:22.44`	`bluspacecow`	`i mean wine`
`21:22.48`	`cog\|work`	`:)`
`21:22.56`	`bluspacecow`	`less then the price of one bottle of wine`
`21:23.23`	`cog\|work`	`you down under?`
`21:23.38`	`bluspacecow`	`nz !`
`21:24.21`	`bluspacecow`	`here's a thread to entertain you (locked so you aren't tempted to post in it)`
`21:24.22`	`bluspacecow`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702206536&sid=1&pageNo=1`
`21:24.30`	`bluspacecow`	`from a "special" poster`
`21:24.33`	`bluspacecow`	`mind you`
`21:24.37`	`bluspacecow`	`it is the general forums >_>`
`21:24.42`	`Cide`	`cog\|work: you should gift me some`
`21:24.43`	`Cide`	`gogo`
`21:24.53`	`bluspacecow`	`some _____ ?`
`21:25.06`	`cog\|work`	`Cide: lulz 50% off is still pretty expensive for me ><`
`21:25.29`	`bluspacecow`	`o you talking about wine`
`21:25.33`	`cog\|work`	`bluspacecow: yeah i saw that yesterday ><`
`21:25.35`	`Cide`	`50% off is a very nice employee discount though`
`21:25.49`	`bluspacecow`	`distracted by deep gauge in hand`
`21:25.54`	`bluspacecow`	`when did that happen ?`
`21:26.07`	`bluspacecow`	`plays with it`
`21:26.25`	`cog\|work`	`indeed... i do have a bunch from when i wasn't broke (read own a house + unemployed mrs + little sister moved in with us), but much of it is overheated from when we moved :(`
`21:26.28`	`Gintaro`	`But wine is free!`
`21:26.37`	`bluspacecow`	`no thats whine`
`21:28.26`	`cog\|work`	`bluspacecow: i guessed (down under) 'cause i listen to a lot of podcasts from that side of the globe and picked up on "the states" before you clarified ;)`
`21:28.34`	`*** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Antiarc@ip70-190-192-186.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`21:28.52`	`bluspacecow`	`mmm`
`21:28.58`	`bluspacecow`	`what if i said the mother land ?`
`21:29.17`	`cog\|work`	`i'd guess england`
`21:29.22`	`bluspacecow`	`really ?`
`21:29.29`	`KarlKFI`	`russia, germany`
`21:29.35`	`bluspacecow`	`i would of guessed germany`
`21:29.43`	`*** join/#wowuidev foxlit (~foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk)`
`21:29.51`	`cog\|work`	`shrugs`
`21:30.01`	`foxlit`	`I seem to recall them changing something about how 2v2 arena rewards work.`
`21:30.05`	`foxlit`	`Did they back out?`
`21:31.03`	`Adys`	`foxlit: No, they didn't`
`21:31.13`	`foxlit`	`So what exactly was the change?`
`21:31.16`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?required_arena_bracket=3`
`21:31.39`	`Bibi`	`Adys t'as laissé ta bracket ouverte`
`21:31.46`	`Adys`	`OH NICE.`
`21:31.48`	`foxlit`	`Your tooltip diverges from the thing I see at the vendors slightly?`
`21:31.55`	`Adys`	`foxlit: really? how so?`
`21:32.06`	`*** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Antiarc@ip70-190-192-186.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`21:32.09`	`foxlit`	`Or perhaps not`
`21:32.18`	`*** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Antiarc@ip70-190-192-186.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`21:32.20`	`Adys`	`(you will not see the required arena rating/brackets if you have it)`
`21:32.44`	`*** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Antiarc@ip70-190-192-186.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`21:33.46`	`foxlit`	`Ah, it's only on the top-level weapons.`
`21:34.28`	`airtonix`	`lolcat > http://www.99chan.org/film/src/127293914020.gif`
`21:34.44`	`Adys`	`airtonix: you can't cat to URLs like that`
`21:35.07`	`bluspacecow`	`remembers xkcd's april fools page`
`21:35.08`	`airtonix`	`Adys, aparently that cat can`
`21:35.08`	`Kraps`	`i love mind-bendines of portals gun`
`21:35.16`	`bluspacecow`	`fondly`
`21:35.21`	`airtonix`	`tar ball`
`21:35.49`	`bluspacecow`	`the caption : I NOW WILL CONQUER THE WORLD !`
`21:37.08`	`bluspacecow`	`dang it`
`21:37.18`	`bluspacecow`	`what were those little robots that were balls`
`21:37.22`	`bluspacecow`	`rolled around`
`21:37.29`	`bluspacecow`	`in battlestar galactica i think ?`
`21:38.09`	`Kraps`	`"permanent disabilities such as vaporization" :/`
`21:38.11`	`zenzelezz`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/14/funny-pictures-heer-nawt-wurkin/`
`21:41.15`	`*** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Antiarc@ip70-190-192-186.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`21:42.33`	`bluspacecow`	`>_>`
`21:42.35`	`bluspacecow`	`i fail`
`21:42.36`	`Cide`	`holy shit it compiles`
`21:42.54`	`bluspacecow`	`i was thinking Terrahawks->Zeroids`
`21:42.58`	`Cide`	`of course it still doesn't work`
`21:43.18`	`*** join/#wowuidev crs (~crs@dslb-084-061-075-111.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`21:43.21`	`bluspacecow`	`http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1a/Zeroid.jpg`
`21:43.26`	`*** join/#wowuidev crs_ (~crs@dslb-084-061-075-111.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`21:43.43`	`bluspacecow`	`how the hell could i confuse Terrahawks with Battlestar G ?`
`21:45.54`	`*** join/#wowuidev Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk)`
`21:47.46`	`airtonix`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Qn2qw1pWU`
`21:50.05`	`airtonix`	`has halo been made into a movie ?`
`21:53.03`	`*** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@68-191-37-155.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com)`
`21:53.08`	`Amarande`	`Guh`
`21:53.13`	`Amarande`	`Any of you been to Gamestop lately?`
`21:55.06`	`foxlit`	`maaaybe?`
`21:55.14`	`bluspacecow`	`what is gamestop ?`
`21:55.38`	`foxlit`	`Judging by the name, rehab camp for game addicts.`
`21:56.15`	`foxlit`	`[Though that isn't the case, it'd be a better use of the name]`
`21:56.17`	`bluspacecow`	`i thought it was a shop that sold tops`
`21:56.23`	`bluspacecow`	`and games for them`
`21:56.52`	`Fisker`	`haste you didn't pay your fines`
`21:57.07`	`airtonix`	`qqmoar`
`21:57.22`	`Fisker`	`why would i qq?`
`21:57.58`	`Amarande`	`um`
`21:58.04`	`Amarande`	`mostly, I'm wondering if they still do DVD trade ins`
`21:58.13`	`Amarande`	`I know they did last time I traded stuff in there but it's been a while`
`21:58.59`	`Amarande`	`basically, I have to trade in a lot of stuff or I'm going to lose my sanity in a long, protracted war against my brother`
`21:59.25`	`kd3`	`'sanity'?`
`21:59.27`	`Amarande`	`we're talking an Order vs. Chaos level fight here, practically.`
`21:59.30`	`Amarande`	`kd3: let's put it this way`
`21:59.36`	`Amarande`	`my brother lives in the basement, which he keeps a total sty`
`21:59.48`	`Amarande`	`I live upstairs, which I keep in an increasingly minimalist and meticulous state of order`
`21:59.58`	`Amarande`	`well ... today I come home from work and find Ed had a hankering to play some of my PS2 games`
`22:00.19`	`Amarande`	`so he basically tore through my closet and made a mess (which, of course, he doesn't give a damn about) to get at where I'd packed them away`
`22:00.31`	`Cide`	`hmm`
`22:00.38`	`Amarande`	`I'm about to pack everything back as it was, but I'm sure he's going to cause the chaos again the next time I'm not keeping guard :P`
`22:00.55`	`kd3`	`just set up a mantrap or something to protect your closet`
`22:01.04`	`Amarande`	`kd3: sadly, in RL, PvP gets you put in prison :)`
`22:01.31`	`Cide`	`c++ question: why does my std::vector<boost::shared_ptr<const Foo>> bar = baz(); // not contain the same values of Foo, despite baz() returning an std::vector<boost::shared_ptr<const Foo>> by value?`
`22:01.40`	`cog\|work`	`Amarande: only if you're pvping against your own faction :P`
`22:01.48`	`Amarande`	`now let's see ...`
`22:01.54`	`Amarande`	`I can either suck it up and submit to his will`
`22:02.09`	`Amarande`	`or I can trade in the games and anime, giving him nothing to go digging through my stuff for`
`22:02.28`	`Amarande`	`or I can spend at least $3,000 on large size safes to lock everything up securely where he really can't get at it.`
`22:03.00`	`Amarande`	`and we're talking games I really don't even play anymore and mostly keep because they're rare and I'm reluctant to trade them in because GS will give me a fucking pittance compared to their real value`
`22:03.00`	`airtonix`	`i'd just move out`
`22:03.07`	`Amarande`	`but I don't feel like going to the hassle of ebaying`
`22:03.18`	`Amarande`	`especially since like on the AH, stuff often doesn't sell on ebay. :)`
`22:03.34`	`Amarande`	`airtonix: with a $20k income in western Connecticut ... yeaaaah right`
`22:03.53`	`airtonix`	`back of a rat works for me`
`22:04.10`	`Amarande`	`I'd go straight from living pretty well to having to change my political allegiance because I'd probably end up on the very food stamps I often decry. :P`
`22:04.26`	`airtonix`	`i buy food with money`
`22:04.31`	`Amarande`	`Having to support Democratic censorship happy nanny states to stay alive. Yeah, that would be a great way to live. :P`
`22:04.45`	`airtonix`	`glad i dont live in america`
`22:04.54`	`cog\|work`	`Cide: solution: c++0x move semantics :>`
`22:05.01`	`Cide`	`..`
`22:05.03`	`cog\|work`	`(don't know what the problem is though)`
`22:05.09`	`Cide`	`stop giving me solutions that aren't solutions god`
`22:05.23`	`Cide`	`it seems to me like the shared pointer is deleting the underlying object`
`22:05.39`	`Sixen`	`./wave`
`22:05.48`	`Cide`	`but I thought the whole point of shared_ptr was that it sanely defined a copy constructor so that it could be passed by value`
`22:06.18`	`cog\|work`	`have you tried tracing through it with a debugger?`
`22:06.45`	`cog\|work`	`/wave Sixen`
`22:06.56`	`Cide`	`yes`
`22:07.05`	`Sixen`	`=)`
`22:07.11`	`Cide`	`but the vector before the return value is correct`
`22:07.20`	`Cide`	`after returning said vector all the const Foo's are uninitialized`
`22:07.34`	`Cide`	`so I think my conclusion is correct`
`22:07.37`	`Cide`	`I just don't know why`
`22:07.55`	`Cide`	`brb reboot`
`22:15.33`	`*** join/#wowuidev robotusch (~robotusch@50A2E67F.flatrate.dk)`
`22:18.12`	`Fisker`	`btw`
`22:18.40`	`Fisker`	`3.3.5 will be released june 16th`
`22:18.40`	`Fisker`	`;3`
`22:18.51`	`bluspacecow`	`tomato`
`22:18.51`	`robotusch`	`:\|`
`22:18.58`	`robotusch`	`Fusker, what is this shit`
`22:19.10`	`robotusch`	`I can't interact with AH npcs anymore :/`
`22:21.03`	`Fisker`	`owned`
`22:21.20`	`robotusch`	`I'd say so :<`
`22:22.45`	`bluspacecow`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:23.16`	`Sixen`	`:D`
`22:24.06`	`Pytlask`	`Fisker- Ooo, where'd you see that?`
`22:24.29`	`bluspacecow`	`giggles`
`22:24.38`	`bluspacecow`	`they just finished up maintence on the PTR`
`22:24.44`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kazie (~Kazie@188.114.158.72)`
`22:25.09`	`Fisker`	`Pytlask i'm awesome`
`22:25.15`	`Fisker`	`i also know that trolls and dwarves get warlocks`
`22:25.26`	`Fisker`	`and that the cataclysm beta is infact a beta and not an alpha`
`22:25.32`	`bluspacecow`	`i want a fisker class`
`22:25.38`	`bluspacecow`	`sighs blissfully`
`22:25.46`	`Fisker`	`death knights?`
`22:25.51`	`bluspacecow`	`O_O`
`22:25.54`	`bluspacecow`	`X_X`
`22:29.31`	`*** join/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight)`
`22:29.31`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ`
`22:32.08`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix-lagtop (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`22:32.49`	`Shirik`	`ok I'm getting like golf ball sized hail right now`
`22:33.18`	`bluspacecow`	`did you hold out your tongue out in it ?`
`22:34.20`	`Fisker`	`he compared to his testicles`
`22:34.36`	`Fisker`	`same weight, shape and consistency`
`22:34.41`	`*** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@cpe-67-252-44-53.nycap.res.rr.com)`
`22:34.41`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ`
`22:36.45`	`bluspacecow`	`\o`
`22:36.52`	`zenzelezz`	`ohai peppy`
`22:37.05`	`Fisker`	`anyone recall that "Always bet on duke"-comic where Broussard bets on duke and loses? :P`
`22:39.09`	`Lopeppeppy`	`heya`
`22:39.21`	`Adys`	`http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/wifi-data-collection-update.html`
`22:39.48`	`Amarande`	`Heya Peppy`
`22:39.51`	`Adys`	`"In addition, given the concerns raised, we have decided that itâs best to stop our Street View cars collecting WiFi network data entirely."`
`22:39.54`	`Amarande`	`sighs`
`22:40.08`	`Adys`	`arent they ever so evil :)`
`22:40.11`	`Lopeppeppy`	`heya, Amarande.`
`22:40.14`	`Amarande`	`what a day`
`22:40.17`	`Adys`	`hi Amarande`
`22:40.22`	`Amarande`	`douchebags in trade chat, douchebags irl`
`22:40.30`	`Adys`	`maybe they're the same people`
`22:40.32`	`*** join/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se)`
`22:40.32`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ`
`22:40.42`	`Amarande`	`Adys: nah, the douchebag I'm talking about irl is my brother`
`22:40.48`	`Amarande`	`and he thinks WoW is for stupid people`
`22:41.20`	`zenzelezz`	`Amarande: well, he knows his brother...`
`22:41.21`	`Amarande`	`at least I don't usually have to worry about him on gaming communities because he usually does ones I happen to also belong to the courtesy of getting his ass banned before long, too`
`22:41.22`	`bluspacecow`	`drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr`
`22:41.27`	`bluspacecow`	`i r stoopid`
`22:41.31`	`Amarande`	`let's see ... Ama's rank on GameFAQs: "Ancient"`
`22:41.38`	`bluspacecow`	`bangs keyboard on monitor`
`22:41.38`	`Amarande`	`Ama's brother's rank on GameFAQs: "Banned"`
`22:41.39`	`*** join/#wowuidev Guardix-lagtop (~Martin@188.178.102.237)`
`22:41.45`	`Fisker`	`i don't understand why they are so mad Adys`
`22:41.57`	`haste`	`Haste's rank on GameFAQs: Unregistered`
`22:42.04`	`Fisker`	`Just request that Google release all the information, then they have a list of unsecured wifi spots in all of germany`
`22:42.07`	`Fisker`	`KA-CHIIIIIIIIIING`
`22:42.15`	`Amarande`	`hell, even on gaming communities I don't also belong to, he's pretty good at getting bans`
`22:42.24`	`Amarande`	`I think he's been temp banned from xbox live at least three or four times now`
`22:42.38`	`bluspacecow`	`why ?`
`22:42.45`	`Amarande`	`bluspacecow: abusive language, mostly`
`22:42.59`	`bluspacecow`	`Blu's rank on GamerFAQs: Clueless nooob`
`22:43.12`	`Amarande`	`basically acting like a nine year old instead of the nineteen year old he is`
`22:43.26`	`*** join/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se)`
`22:43.26`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ`
`22:43.38`	`Amarande`	`oh, and he flunked the Marines entrance exam and still claims he's a manly man heh`
`22:44.01`	`Amarande`	`unfortunately, the only part he failed was the run a mile and a half part, so he's a DAMN STRONG douchebag. :\|`
`22:44.36`	`Amarande`	`in this case, he lifted box after box of carefully packed odds and ends out of my closet and started rifling through them making a godawful mess of this room in the process`
`22:44.43`	`Amarande`	`not that he cares, since he thrives on chaos`
`22:44.53`	`cog\|work`	`Cide: http://cogwheel.pastey.net/136485 works as intended under vs2010`
`22:45.35`	`*** part/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se)`
`22:45.38`	`Amarande`	`anyway`
`22:45.44`	`Amarande`	`someone tell me how being a douchebag came to become the cool thing?`
`22:45.52`	`*** join/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se)`
`22:45.52`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ`
`22:46.18`	`Cide`	`cog\|work: interesting`
`22:46.28`	`Cide`	`I don't know what the different is between our two use cases then`
`22:46.35`	`Cide`	`this is also under vs2010`
`22:48.43`	`bluspacecow`	`\o`
`22:48.45`	`*** part/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz)`
`22:50.24`	`Cide`	`granted I'm using const std::vector<boost::shared_ptr<const Foo>>`
`22:50.31`	`Cide`	`but I don't see how it makes a difference`
`22:51.33`	`cog\|work`	`just tested and it doesn't`
`22:51.39`	`cog\|work`	`(make a difference)`
`22:51.58`	`Cide`	`using const int?`
`22:52.02`	`cog\|work`	`yep`
`22:52.09`	`cog\|work`	`and const vector`
`22:53.10`	`cog\|work`	`http://cogwheel.pastey.net/136486`
`22:54.45`	`Cide`	`yeah, I just tried it`
`22:55.22`	`*** join/#wowuidev Nechckn (~N@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Admin/Nechckn)`
`22:55.22`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Nechckn] by ChanServ`
`22:57.25`	`kd3`	`ooh, so close... 111113`
`22:59.27`	`Cide`	`what the fuck`
`22:59.30`	`Cide`	`I cannot reproduce this`
`23:02.12`	`*** join/#wowuidev airtonix (~airtonix@unaffiliated/airtonix)`
`23:02.40`	`Cide`	`grr`
`23:04.47`	`Kalroth`	`second-best errors are the non-reproduceable syncronization-buggy thread ones`
`23:04.59`	`Kalroth`	`(first ones being the non-reproduceable syncronization-buggy driver ones)`
`23:06.29`	`Dashkal`	`cure for sync thread bugs: Use Haskell :P`
`23:06.39`	`Dashkal`	`Brain melting optional`
`23:06.59`	`*** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)`
`23:06.59`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ`
`23:08.38`	`Cide`	`oh hm`
`23:08.51`	`Cide`	`cog\|work: I think I figured it out`
`23:09.36`	`Cide`	`while ( ... ) { boost::shared_ptr<const Foo> ptr = bar(); vector.push_back(ptr); } // ptr goes out of scope and deletes the underlying object`
`23:09.43`	`Cide`	`I'm horrible at c++`
`23:10.30`	`cog\|work`	`ha`
`23:10.33`	`Cide`	`how do I fix that anyway?`
`23:10.47`	`cog\|work`	`everyone's horrible at c++ imo`
`23:10.53`	`cog\|work`	`actually, that doesn't seem like it should be a problem`
`23:11.01`	`Cide`	`it is`
`23:11.03`	`cog\|work`	`isn't ptr supposed to be copied when it's pushed into the vector?`
`23:11.11`	`Cide`	`I thought so`
`23:11.14`	`Cide`	`but it's the same pointer I guess`
`23:11.30`	`Cide`	`and then the object gets deleted on the heap when the original gets pushed off the stack`
`23:11.35`	`Cide`	`s/pushed/popped/`
`23:11.43`	`ckknight`	`Cide: to fix, use a modern language`
`23:11.43`	`ckknight`	`<.<`
`23:11.44`	`ckknight`	`>.>`
`23:11.47`	`cog\|work`	`but that would defeat teh purpose of it being shared`
`23:11.51`	`cog\|work`	`is confuzzled`
`23:11.59`	`Cide`	`any c++ gods able to help?`
`23:12.12`	`Cide`	`with proper advise (thanks ckk)`
`23:12.15`	`Cide`	`wow`
`23:12.16`	`Cide`	`advice`
`23:12.18`	`ckknight`	`I'm looking at it.`
`23:12.25`	`Cide`	`wtf`
`23:12.31`	`ckknight`	`hmm?`
`23:12.31`	`Cide`	`advise`
`23:12.35`	`zenzelezz`	`you need glasses then`
`23:12.36`	`Cide`	`oh`
`23:12.39`	`Cide`	`they are both valid`
`23:12.43`	`Cide`	`kill me now`
`23:12.55`	`durcyn`	`advise would be the verb form, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.`
`23:12.55`	`zenzelezz`	`I thought advise was the verb, advice was the noun?`
`23:12.59`	`Cide`	`yeah`
`23:13.03`	`Cide`	`I noticed`
`23:14.57`	`*** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (~Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net)`
`23:15.04`	`cog\|work`	`Cide: deleting the object when it goes out of scope is what auto_ptr is supposed to do. shared_ptr is reference counted. The reference count should go up to 2 when it's copied into the vector and then down to 1 when ptr goes out of scope`
`23:15.15`	`cog\|work`	`afaik`
`23:15.19`	`cog\|work`	`Shirik: zenzelezz ^`
`23:15.35`	`cog\|work`	`oh didn't see you there already zenzelezz`
`23:15.40`	`Shirik`	`correct`
`23:16.05`	`Shirik`	`actually it goes to 3 when it goes into the vector`
`23:16.12`	`Shirik`	`but that's kinda silent`
`23:16.18`	`Shirik`	`and irrelevant`
`23:16.22`	`Shirik`	`point is it goes up`
`23:17.21`	`*** join/#wowuidev Daishus (~mprentice@32.177.89.4)`
`23:17.40`	`Cide`	`brb`
`23:17.46`	`Iriel`	`What is the type of your vector?`
`23:17.59`	`Cide`	`std::vector<boost::shared_ptr<const Foo>>`
`23:18.01`	`Cide`	`brb reboot`
`23:18.08`	`cog\|work`	`once when it's copied as an argument to push_back, again when it's put into the container, then back down when push_back returns?`
`23:18.14`	`cog\|work`	`(@ Shirik )`
`23:19.02`	`Shirik`	`exactly cog\|work :)`
`23:19.20`	`cog\|work`	`can't wait for move semantics`
`23:19.27`	`Iriel`	`Are you certain that bar() isn't deleting it?`
`23:19.46`	`cog\|work`	`he's gone now`
`23:19.59`	`Iriel`	`I wonderif he's using a shared_ptr inside bar, but returns a const Foo*`
`23:20.18`	`Shirik`	`mm I've made that mistake before`
`23:20.44`	`Shirik`	`I added a fxcop rule to yell at me whenever I cast a shared_ptr to a pointer`
`23:23.47`	`*** join/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se)`
`23:23.47`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ`
`23:24.33`	`Iriel`	`Iriel: I wonderif he's using a shared_ptr inside bar, but returns a const Foo*`
`23:24.50`	`Iriel`	`Cide: that's directed towards you, but you left before I said it earlier`
`23:24.57`	`Cide`	`paste the conversation please?`
`23:25.34`	`Iriel`	`Cide: I was wondering what your bar() function says, and if it's that that deletes your object`
`23:25.58`	`Cide`	`well, I went through the debugger and this is what happens`
`23:26.04`	`Iriel`	`i.e. do you inadvertently create and delete the object, then return a point to the deleted object`
`23:26.06`	`Cide`	`maybe this doesn't tell you anything though`
`23:26.06`	`*** join/#wowuidev Daishus (~mprentice@32.177.89.4)`
`23:26.30`	`Iriel`	`What is the declaration of bar() ?`
`23:26.48`	`Cide`	`boost::shared_ptr<const Foo> bar() const`
`23:27.05`	`Iriel`	`Ah, so much for that theory then, I guess.`
`23:27.16`	`Iriel`	`Well, from a causation perspective anyway`
`23:27.39`	`Cide`	`int i = -1; while ( ... ) { i++; boost::shared_ptr<const Foo> ptr = bar(); events.push_back(ptr); /* at this point, ptr has its proper value, and so does events[i] (1) */ }`
`23:28.16`	`Cide`	`however, at (1), events[i-1] is reset`
`23:28.19`	`cog\|away`	`gl`
`23:29.05`	`Cide`	`thanks`
`23:29.20`	`airtonix`	`why all the reboots`
`23:29.39`	`Cide`	`so once ptr goes out of scope, it seems the object it's pointing to is deleted`
`23:30.09`	`Cide`	`the memory gets filled with 0xCC's (can Shirik / someone verify this is what delete fills it with?)`
`23:30.18`	`Shirik`	`no`
`23:30.23`	`Shirik`	`that's what it's filled with when it's initialized`
`23:30.27`	`Shirik`	`or rather, when it's allocated`
`23:30.33`	`Shirik`	`i.e., you never used the memory`
`23:30.46`	`Shirik`	`or rather, you never wrote to it`
`23:30.58`	`Shirik`	`Never read what I say by impulse`
`23:31.00`	`Shirik`	`let me think first`
`23:31.38`	`Cide`	`lol`
`23:31.58`	`airtonix`	`steals Shiriks enter key`
`23:32.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`waits for Shirik to get smart`
`23:33.01`	`Shirik`	`:(`
`23:33.21`	`Kalroth`	`Lopeppeppy: You're very patient.`
`23:33.21`	`Cide`	`can vs tell me what memory location the object occupies? I can only see its value I think`
`23:33.48`	`Shirik`	`um`
`23:33.51`	`Shirik`	`&foo?`
`23:33.57`	`Cide`	`well in the debugger`
`23:34.05`	`Cide`	`nvm`
`23:34.07`	`Shirik`	`I think when you hover over it it tells you the address, no?`
`23:34.10`	`Cide`	`yeah`
`23:34.16`	`Shirik`	`but you can always type it into the locals window`
`23:34.17`	`Cide`	`I got confused because I had the values displaying as hex also`
`23:34.17`	`Shirik`	`er`
`23:34.19`	`Shirik`	`the watch window`
`23:35.09`	`bleeter`	`BTW, Hunter Alpha players. Hope you're giving lots of feedback that the pet toolbar's still busted and useless for 'new' pet talent system (not big enough for all pet spells) ;)`
`23:35.20`	`bleeter`	`(assuming it is, in fact, still busted :P )`
`23:35.32`	`Cide`	`ok so`
`23:35.38`	`Iriel`	`Ooh, have they actually implemented the hunter changes already?`
`23:35.59`	`Shirik`	`seriously Thunder_Child this lens profile creator is really picky`
`23:36.01`	`Shirik`	`but I guess that's a good thing`
`23:36.04`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: I haven't been reading, I was meaning the changes that went in to Wrath`
`23:36.15`	`Shirik`	`It only takes like 70% of my shots, and I took them all from a tripod, they should be nearly identical`
`23:36.25`	`Iriel`	`I dont tend to have a problem currently`
`23:36.40`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: the stupid small pet toolbar that can't hold more than three 'special' spells`
`23:36.43`	`Shirik`	`but it IS really cool`
`23:36.43`	`Iriel`	`There's enough space for the spells I need access to`
`23:36.57`	`Cide`	`the shared ptr is still the same object in the vector, but the object it points to is just 0xCC's`
`23:37.20`	`Cide`	`doesn't seem plausible that it would allocate a new object and not copy over the fields`
`23:37.32`	`Shirik`	`I know what Cide did`
`23:37.35`	`Shirik`	`does anyone else?`
`23:37.42`	`Cide`	`I don't`
`23:37.46`	`Shirik`	`obviously`
`23:37.46`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: I dunno. 9 spots and 6 are nearly essential leaving only 3 free. Been driving me crazy having returned to play a little.`
`23:37.49`	`Cide`	`tell me!`
`23:37.58`	`Shirik`	`I was pointing at Iriel or (more likely) cog\|away`
`23:38.04`	`Shirik`	`no offense to Iriel I just think he doesn't use C++ as much`
`23:38.05`	`Cide`	`I figured`
`23:38.06`	`Iriel`	`bleeter: 10 and 4 actually`
`23:38.07`	`Cide`	`but I'm curious`
`23:38.17`	`Shirik`	`I think you need to implement a copy constructor`
`23:38.20`	`Amarande`	`bleeter: what game are you playing that has eighteen man raids? :)`
`23:38.25`	`Cide`	`for Foo?`
`23:38.27`	`Shirik`	`You did a copy somewhere along the line but it didn't do it properly`
`23:38.28`	`Shirik`	`yes`
`23:38.34`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: Not in a LONG time, and STL wasn't really stable when I stopped`
`23:38.36`	`Cide`	`I'm not doing a copy in this code`
`23:38.38`	`Amarande`	`or am I completely misreading what you mean by spots`
`23:38.40`	`Iriel`	`But that was my guess after the symptom`
`23:38.40`	`Amarande`	`my head is addled today`
`23:38.45`	`Shirik`	`Cide: Sometimes copies are very hidden`
`23:38.46`	`Amarande`	`since I had a fucked up piece of crap day`
`23:38.49`	`Cide`	`well yeah`
`23:38.57`	`Shirik`	`your symptoms are very much in line with that`
`23:39.00`	`Shirik`	`just try it`
`23:39.03`	`Cide`	`in a sec`
`23:39.06`	`Cide`	`can I create a dummy block?`
`23:39.07`	`Shirik`	`worst that can happen is you have a useless copy constructor`
`23:39.13`	`Shirik`	`dummy block?`
`23:39.13`	`Cide`	`like just { /* code */ }`
`23:39.17`	`Shirik`	`sure`
`23:39.18`	`Shirik`	`hell`
`23:39.24`	`Shirik`	`make the copy constructor with the following implementation:`
`23:39.30`	`Shirik`	`__asm int 3h;`
`23:39.33`	`*** join/#wowuidev Daishus (~mprentice@32.177.89.4)`
`23:39.41`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: only 4? Mad`
`23:39.42`	`Cide`	`... what does that even do`
`23:39.52`	`Shirik`	`triggers a breakpoint or crashes`
`23:39.59`	`Cide`	`I see`
`23:40.04`	`Shirik`	`triggers a breakpoint if the debugger is attached, crashes otherwise`
`23:40.21`	`Shirik`	`gotta go`
`23:40.29`	`Cide`	`noooo`
`23:40.32`	`Cide`	`:(`
`23:40.38`	`Shirik`	`I'll be back in like 30`
`23:40.55`	`Cide`	`fine`
`23:42.07`	`*** join/#wowuidev p3lim (~Miranda@85.108.34.95.customer.cdi.no)`
`23:43.12`	`Kalroth`	`there's a lot of rules on shared_ptr constructors`
`23:43.13`	`Kalroth`	`http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_43_0/libs/smart_ptr/shared_ptr.htm#constructors`
`23:46.50`	`Adys`	`kd3: ping my love :(`
`23:49.17`	`Cide`	`I don't even get how to make the copy constructor like you said Shirik`
`23:50.10`	`Shirik`	`fail`
`23:50.28`	`Shirik`	`Foo(const Foo& copy) { __asm int 3h; }`
`23:50.33`	`Cide`	`yeah`
`23:50.53`	`Cide`	`Foo::Foo(const Foo& copy) provides no initializer for:`
`23:51.15`	`Cide`	`also tried Foo(const Foo& copy) : m_member(copy.m_member) { __asm int 3h; }`
`23:51.16`	`Cide`	`didn't help`
`23:51.32`	`Shirik`	`What does it provide no initializer for?`
`23:51.40`	`Cide`	`doesn't say`
`23:51.43`	`Cide`	`that's the full error`
`23:51.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik: make Iriel try it out`
`23:51.50`	`Shirik`	`wtf compiler are you using`
`23:51.51`	`Cide`	`this is when highlighting the left bracket`
`23:51.56`	`Cide`	`msvc++ 2010`
`23:52.15`	`Shirik`	`pastey your code`
`23:52.30`	`Shirik`	`Iriel: You should try the lens profile creator`
`23:52.39`	`Shirik`	`tell me what you think of it / your experiences with it`
`23:52.53`	`Iriel`	`Shirik: what is that? where is that?`
`23:52.55`	`Shirik`	`I'm curious to see if it's just something I'm doing wrong but I only get like 70% success rate on the shots I take`
`23:53.17`	`Shirik`	`It's a tool that makes Adobe lens profiles based on calibration shots for vignetting/chrom. abberation/geometric distortions`
`23:53.33`	`Shirik`	`http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lensprofile_creator/`
`23:53.41`	`Shirik`	`I get like 70% success which is OK because I take 9 shots and only need 3`
`23:53.46`	`Shirik`	`but I'm curious if it's something I'm doing wrong`
`23:55.05`	`bleeter`	`Iriel: ok, just logged in to check. You're right about the bar being 10 in size. But even if I agreed with only 4 being essential, there's still not enough room for 10 pet spells and still can't put Pet spells on a main toolbar.`
`23:55.19`	`bleeter`	`just my 2c ;) :P maybe I should go look for an addon then! ;)`
`23:55.21`	`Iriel`	`Do you really cast most of your pet spells yourself?`
`23:55.29`	`bleeter`	`I'`
`23:55.47`	`bleeter`	`I'd probably use more of them if they were easy to get at, sure ;)`
`23:56.01`	`Amarande`	`I usually trust my pet's AI, myself :S`
`23:56.02`	`bleeter`	`bit of a waste of talents etc. having this stuff here that I'd never use`
`23:56.08`	`Iriel`	`I keep a bunch of them on autocast but not on my bar`
`23:56.10`	`Amarande`	`except for specific tweaks like turning off growl in instances`
`23:56.14`	`Iriel`	`and reserve my bar for special cases, and growl`
`23:56.22`	`Amarande`	`(and then forgetting to turn it back on after the instance, and wondering why I keep pulling aggro so easily LOL)`
`23:56.35`	`Iriel`	`Amarande: yeah, that's a pain`
`23:56.52`	`bleeter`	`been doing a lot of BG/World PvP recently. some of those things would be fairly nice to use in tight situations, but getting them out is not easy`
`23:57.22`	`bleeter`	`Amarande: yeah I'm more inclined to trust the AI in PvE than PvP`
`23:57.42`	`bleeter`	`coz mobs work in moderately predictable ways`

Generated by irclog2html.pl Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot.