IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100513

00:00.10WobWorkSlapInTheFace
00:00.24WobWork(is what he should call it)
00:00.30Thunder_Childmore like BitchSlapped
00:00.31airtonixSmakDown
00:00.46WobWorkCappedYoAss
00:00.58airtonixAreYoTalknToMe
00:00.59Thunder_Childyou taking notes here tekkub? this is pure fake gold
00:01.16tekkubI what now?
00:01.21airtonixImaPutYoInaGround
00:01.22LunessaDon'tTouchMyToys
00:02.04Cide-question:
00:02.08Thunder_Childwell get cracking tekkub
00:02.09airtonixanswer:
00:02.14tekkubWell I don't PvP
00:02.18Mr_Rabieshey tekkub what's your junk selling addon called :O
00:02.24Cide-in sc2, is it considered a spoiler to see the players' starting locations before watching a replay?
00:02.24tekkubbut considering the changes in store for cat
00:02.25Thunder_Childand this is a problem why?
00:02.36tekkubI might just make that when we have the PvE point system
00:02.51Thunder_Childso for everything?
00:03.08tekkubyea since PvE is adopting the PvP point system
00:03.13Thunder_Childasuming there is a pve cap though
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00:03.24tekkubthey said there would be
00:03.44Thunder_Childi know they said per day...let me see
00:05.42tekkublow end has max cap but not daily cap
00:05.44Thunder_Childok, yea, total cap
00:05.47tekkuber weekly
00:05.59tekkubhigh end points have a max and a weekly cap
00:06.12LunessaHe needs a mod called SuckIt
00:07.28WobWorkLunessa: what... would it do?
00:07.48kd3whee
00:07.53kd3the steam servers are crashing and burning
00:07.56Thunder_Childtekkub: well you can get everything in place for it by doing a pvp one now
00:08.03LopeppeppyIt would suck.
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00:13.50tekkubhttp://store.dieselsweeties.com/products/im-not-unemployed-im-nsfw-shirt
00:15.22LunessaWobWork:  It would play victory sounds!
00:17.20airtonixtekkub, you are having this one yet i assume : http://store.dieselsweeties.com/products/bacon-is-a-vegetable-shirt
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01:23.12bluspacecowanyone else getting a "GRUNT: state: LOGIN_STATE_FAILED result: LOGIN_NO_BATTLENET_MANAGER" message in their connection.log when logging on the PTR with their battle.net account ?
01:27.58kd3have you copied a character yet?
01:31.06bluspacecowyep
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01:31.15bluspacecowit might of copied borked tho >_>
01:31.39bluspacecowbecause with 1 copy i copied a toon that ended up on BOTH realms >_>
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01:42.47Sixenohai
01:42.52Sixenit's kd3 and bsc
01:43.07SixenI wish the PTR wasn't so far off from the live client
01:43.17bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
01:43.57Sixen;p
01:43.58Sixenbrb
01:44.01foxlithttp://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw39153.jpg
01:44.04foxlit/shudder
01:46.49Krapswoot http://www.wow.com/photos/cataclysm-daily-screenshots/full/#2978740
01:49.17DagmarThat first one looks like Swamp of Sorrows
01:54.51bleeterkd3: did you see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_steam_announcement&num=1
01:54.59kd3yes, yes I did
01:55.02kd3is quite happy
01:55.06bleeter:)
01:55.22LopeppeppyMy social life.  Gone.  *le sigh*
01:55.30bluspacecowhmm
01:55.35bleeterI gave mine up years ago, Lopeppeppy ;)
01:55.59Dagmarwaits to see badge graphics appear that read "Runs on FUCKING EVERYTHING"
01:56.38bleeterDagmar: you'll be waiting for a while for that on Blizz titles, I suspect ;)
01:56.49bleetergoes back to rsyncing Fedora 13
01:56.56kd3gah; hate copying over to the ptr
01:57.02kd3loses his one 310% mount
01:57.06DagmarWoW runs under Wine.  That dounts.
01:57.08Dagmarer counts.
01:57.24DagmarIt's the games with the crappy DRM that fails to run properly under Linux that have issues
01:57.36Dagmarlooks in the direction of StarForce and Ubisoft
01:58.04WobWorkdonuts?
01:58.24bluspacecowlater guys
02:00.20bleeterDagmar: would still prefer 0 Wine required
02:00.50DagmarI'd prefer DirectX not be required
02:00.54DagmarEverything needs somethin'
02:01.20ZorbaBetamaking games run reliably under Linux is surprisingly tricky
02:01.35ZorbaBetait is very, very inimical towards closed-source software
02:02.44kd3looks at ut2004
02:04.32ZorbaBetawhat about it? seriously, just look online - it's not exactly trivial to get working properly
02:04.47ZorbaBetaand they had to provide a special 64-bit build for 64-bit linux
02:04.48DagmarWith Cedega I never really had any issues
02:04.57DagmarHowever, with EVERY goddamn copy protection mechanism I had issues
02:05.47DagmarMind, I'm having issues with Sims 3 right now, but I think that might fall under the "EA is incompetent when it comes to anything other than taking your money" umbrella
02:07.01ZorbaBetaCedega's okay, but it's not really an actual Linux port
02:07.39Arrowmasteri thought cedega was rather outdated now and wine ran most things better than it
02:08.39kd3this
02:09.29WobWorkwasn't cedega just someone doing the wine hacking to get the thing working for you?
02:09.36kd3no
02:10.21Arrowmasterit was a fork before wine was gpl
02:11.14Arrowmasterthey used closed source and NDA's to add support for a lot of copy protection things but since wine is GPL now they cant use any wine fixes from the last few years
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02:35.30Amarandemaaaaan, savage cobalt slicers are ugly.
02:35.37Amarandeam I ever glad DK runes make it harder to see the blades :)
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02:44.18myrkraverkHello.
02:44.52myrkraverkI'm using RegisterUnitWatch to display a unit frame for me.  Is there something I can use to run code when it shows and hides?
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02:47.41Xinhuanuse OnShow and OnHide event?
02:49.02myrkraverkIt had to be something very simple ;)
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02:55.21sylvanaaranyone play on Mal'Ganis?
02:56.03sylvanaari needz a guild
02:58.32Amarandesylvanaar: any openings in EJ? :)
02:58.40sylvanaaryeah right
02:58.56Amarandeand you'd pretty much have to pay me to play on Mal'Ganis :S
02:59.10AmarandeHorde or Alliance, btw? I have to wonder now if we've ever met in randoms.
02:59.14sylvanaari needed a change of pace
02:59.19sylvanaarhorde
02:59.26sylvanaarthere are no alliance on mal'ganis
03:00.34sylvanaari need to find a guild that can deal with a mod author who doesn't play alot
03:00.56sylvanaari just log in to chat and work on addons
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03:01.44sylvanaari suppose i'll post on the realm forum
03:02.00Amarandeah, there's a chance we may meet in randoms heh
03:02.03Amarandeplays Horde on Turalyon
03:02.26sylvanaarim Sylvaann, druid - so if you see me say hi
03:04.31Jerubsylvanaar: i've got a guild who's got space for you on dath'remar, but we're mostly australian timezones ;)
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03:16.02sylvanaarJerub: thanks but i just moved to Mal'Ganis
03:16.29sylvanaari wanted to be on a high-pop in central time
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03:27.00sylvanaarkrka: if you'd like me to add you as an author or have any suggested changes let me know
03:27.18sylvanaarbed time
03:27.21sylvanaarnn
03:27.59Amarandebtw, are Mal'Ganis people by and large really the d-bags that folks in randoms tend to see them as?
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03:30.55sylvanaaryeah, thats what i have heard now that i have x-fered there
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03:40.05WobWork~1/2 * .045
03:40.05purl0.0225
03:40.13AntiarcAnyone experienced mac clients crashing when the player gets mind controlled?
03:40.22WobWorkso must tip 7.25%?
03:40.25AntiarcPlayer MC doesn't seem to do it, just mob MC
03:40.53DagmarIt's a new spell they have, called [Crash Mac User]
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03:46.12Amarandeisn't "must tip" a contradiction in terms?
03:46.17Amarandewhen it's required, it's not a tip, it's a fee
03:46.27Amarandethere was a big argument about that on trade on Turalyon a week or two ago
03:46.33WobWorkunless you're american
03:46.55Amarandethis one guy tried to walk off with a crafted epic he had made for someone, because said someone wouldn't give a tip after the fact
03:48.05DagmarIf it's required, sell it in the damn auction house
03:48.11Dagmarit saves a lot of BS
03:48.31DagmarBuy mats, craft item, add 15-25%, relist, done.
03:48.40WobWorkor, as Amarande says, just state the fee in the initial chat
03:48.57WobWorkor base the fee off some of the mats
03:49.07WobWorkX gold per Frozen Orb in recipe
03:49.18DagmarEpic or not if you can afford the mats (or have them to sell) you sure as hell can afford to give someone 15-25% as a tip
03:49.27WobWork15% of what though?
03:49.34Dagmar15% of the going rate for the mats
03:49.45DagmarAfter all, there's really nothing stopping you from selling the mats
03:50.20DagmarGenerally I scrape the AH for mats, ballpark what *I* paid for them (and I shop like a jew) and add 25% to *that*
03:50.33DagmarHence, that big spreadsheet on Google Docs
03:51.27DagmarI'd write up a thing explaining how everyone's tiny bits of tedium add up to profit for everyone involved, but there's FAR too many assholes on the forums who would spew all sorts of misinformation about it
03:51.41AmarandeYeah, the guy ended up giving up the epic, after trade basically all badgered him and said they'd report him as an admitted scammer
03:53.03DagmarFolks get stupid and take the narrow view that they need ALL the profit, right now, and fuck the other guy, and over time that fails, fails, fails
03:53.17Dagmar...although stiffing people in trade tends to fail rather spectacularly.  :)
03:53.32AmarandePlate wearers are going to love entering Northrend when Cata's out. Except for holydins, who are going to be somewhat annoyed. :)
03:53.44DagmarHow so?
03:53.52DagmarI looove plate quest rewards
03:54.11WobWorkpft you're not using heirlooms? noob =)
03:54.24AmarandeDagmar: those spellpower plate items that seem to be all the plate you can get from instances until DTK will be reforgeable
03:54.30DagmarWell, if my 'lock could wear them I might
03:54.34DagmarMainly I like them for selling
03:55.03AmarandeSeriously, Blizzard dropped the ball on LK normal instance loot :|
03:55.15DagmarAmarande: I can't see the devs leaving a gaping hole like that in the loot tables unless they intend to add a mothersnorkeling TON of craftin recipes and make us dependent on crafters
03:55.21AmarandeBC normal instance loot was usually well-assorted and had something wonderful for any class
03:55.37WobWorkand all colours of the rainbow
03:55.40AmarandeLK normal instance loot is crap for so many classes, for instance you don't even see ONE piece of plate that's not for a Holy Paladin only until DTK
03:55.57DagmarI didn't really notice.  My DK has made out fine so far
03:55.58WobWorkhm
03:56.04WobWorkOK was good
03:56.08WobWorkfor the chestplate
03:56.35DagmarOf course I also do a lot of wheeling and dealing in the AH so most of the time I was wearing half crafted gear
03:58.06AmarandeYeah, I should level my BS
03:58.55Amarandethen, well ... my rogue won't have to hire one to make savage cobalt slicers at 74 like my DK had to
03:59.17Amarandeand some of that crafted gear is nice, those Dawn's Edges were a real help for a while on the DK
03:59.22WobWorkcrai
03:59.25Amarande(not to mention it made that annoying trip to LBRS worth it)
03:59.29WobWorkI have my dragonmaw on my rogue
03:59.34WobWorkand I don't want to get rid of it
03:59.41WobWorkworked so hard for that damn thing =(
03:59.49WobWork(or was it dragonstrike?)
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04:03.04Amarandealso: finding crystallized fire when you don't have WG is a bitch
04:04.01Amarandeare there really no places to find it significantly other than WG and that area near the Sons of Hodir questgivers?
04:04.14WobWorkum
04:04.15WobWorkHF
04:04.22WobWorkno wait
04:04.23WobWorkBT
04:04.26WobWorkI always confuse them
04:04.38WobWorkthere's a field where the fire elementals fight the water ones near sholazar
04:04.43WobWorkit's terribly farmed
04:06.00Amarandelemme guess ... they basically wanted to push PvP onto PvE'ers by making WG the main source of an element or two
04:06.11Mr_Rabieswhoa
04:06.14Amarandejust as they're going to attempt to do it in Cata by making Tol Barad the main source of money making dailies
04:06.22Mr_Rabieshow are low level belfs supposed to get to EK now :O
04:06.23Mr_Rabieser
04:06.25Mr_Rabiesnelfs
04:06.53Mr_Rabiesi didn't realize they changed the boat for auberdine and menethil to go to northrend
04:07.18ZorbaBetaamarande, I don't think that's necessarily "push pvp onto pve'ers".
04:07.42ZorbaBetathat's "making certain parts of the game more easily profitable for one type of person or another".
04:07.48ZorbaBetatrade is a valuable thing to keep around.
04:08.04TorhalAmarande: That Horde village near the Sholazar entrance in Borean has a shitton of fire elementals
04:08.19ZorbaBetaalso personally I find the best location to farm crystallized fire is the auction house.
04:08.21TorhalWell, outpost, not village
04:08.34Mr_Rabiesoh derp auberdine changed to go to stormwind
04:08.35TorhalZorbaBeta: Your notion of farming amuses me
04:08.59AmarandeZorba: btw, does your remark in the latest QH mean that we will have no friendly crazy taxi arrow to help us on our way in Cata, most likely? :(
04:09.11IrielWell, to ZorbaBeta's point, you can farm MONEY anywhere you like, then convert it to fire at your pleasure
04:09.23ZorbaBetaamarande, I'd say "most likely" is an understatement, but yes
04:10.14Amarandealthough QH seems the sort of thing that someone is likely to take up the torch for
04:10.23Amarandeespecially with how many folks are used to the crazy taxi arrow by now
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04:10.56WobWorkMr_Rabies: they didn't?
04:11.03WobWorkthe boat still goes to auberdine?
04:11.09ZorbaBetaamarande, QH is also a crazy complicated bitchqueen of a UI mod. I doubt that anyone is going to end up maintaining it
04:11.16IrielIt goes to auberdine
04:11.21IrielThen auberdine goes to stormwind
04:11.28Irielthen stormwind goes to NR
04:11.52ZorbaBetaa few will try, chances are good none of them will ever make a release, and if someone does, it'll be hideously buggy.
04:12.21ZorbaBetakeep in mind you need a reasonably high-powered linux box to build the database, too :)
04:12.33Arrowmasterlol
04:13.13Arrowmasterat least youll keep the 'oh i learned java in college, how hard could this be?' fucktards out since they wont have a clue how to use linux
04:13.48ZorbaBetaarrow, yeah. it's sort of unfortunate that it has such a barrier to entry, but, well, wow databases are somewhat data-intensive :)
04:14.25AmarandeZorba: cygwin won't do?
04:14.27ZorbaBetaand there's still nobody out there who has the same kind of detail on player and monster behavior that I do, besides Blizzard. Pluses and minuses.
04:14.50ArrowmasterAmarande: cygwin is fucking terrible
04:15.01ZorbaBetaamarande, maybe. it would need some modification - right now I think it relies on a case-sensitive filesystem, but that wouldn't be hard to fix
04:15.03Arrowmasterand slow as fucking hell too
04:15.19ZorbaBetaI'd be worried about performance - early versions of the build system spawned many processes, and cygwin is very bad at that. I don't think the current version does so much, however.
04:16.17ZorbaBetaYou'd still need a reasonably hefty Windows box, however. It will eat 3gb of RAM without thinking twice, and with 4gb and quad-core 2.6ghz it takes around 12 hours to complete a build.
04:16.46Arrowmasterthen theres no fucking way it will run in cygwin
04:17.00ZorbaBetaEh, that's not entirely true. Cygwin's slow on forking
04:17.06ZorbaBetabut it's perfectly fine for things that don't fork often
04:17.18Arrowmastercygwin is 32bit only afaik so it will run out of ram
04:17.29ZorbaBetaLuckily that's 3gb of RAM spread across four processes, so it'll be totally fine :)
04:17.37Arrowmasterok
04:18.09ZorbaBeta(I actually never did 64-bit builds since I was using luajit, which only supported 32-bit at the time)
04:18.18ZorbaBeta(yes, the build code is written in lua)
04:18.46Amarandeheh, I'm wondering how low level nelves and draenei are ever going to get off their islands in Cata :)
04:18.52Amarandeseeing as Auberdine fall down and go boom
04:19.20ZorbaBetagonna bet they're capable of building boats that travel to more than one location
04:19.22Amarande"WTB portal from Darnassus/Exodar to SW" maybe? :)
04:19.22WobWorkgoblin teleporter
04:19.40WobWorkwell, they lose Rutharian too, don't they?
04:21.18ZorbaBetahaven't heard about that. maybe.
04:22.03IrielMaybe you get big hand-gliders off the top of the tree, and land further down the coast?
04:23.09WobWorkooh flying fox
04:23.11WobWorkthat'd be awesome
04:23.48Irielreturn via darkmoon faire cannon
04:23.48ZorbaBetagnomish catapults
04:27.01Amarandeheh, silvermoon harry claims to be trained in the ways of the blood knights when you start a fight with him
04:27.03AmarandeYEAH RIGHT.
04:27.12Amarandeyou know HOW much easier leveling a paladin would be if they could cast Scorch? :)
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04:29.16Krapssilvermoon harry is a freak and i want to put a sharp object through him
04:33.46Amarandethese quests are also taking twice as long since there's apparently this pally from the top alliance guild doing them also :|
04:33.49Amarandeat least he is not a skinner, though
04:33.54Amarandecan't argue with free leather :)
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04:59.18AmarandeAlright, Crowleg Dan ... let's see.
04:59.33AmarandeYou ... with no armor and ordinary swords. Me ... in plate with glowing swords. Who did you THINK was going to win :D
05:00.30myrkraverkShameless self plug: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/pettarget.aspx
05:09.25Amarandeokay ... this quest should not be G3.
05:09.38Amarandemaybe G2, because it's standard for elite kill quests to be marked group, but no more than that ...
05:09.43Amarandeit's sillily easy on a DK, at any rate.
05:09.54WobWorkthat's cause DKs are OP
05:10.28Amarandebut really, I can't imagine any plate class having trouble with Jonah
05:10.45Amarandemaybe some warriors
05:10.57Amarandecertainly not paladins, it should be nearly as easy with one as with a DK
05:12.45Amarandereally I can't see anyone having trouble with that fight except perhaps rogues or cloth classes other than warlocks
05:13.07Amarandeand any 2 people should have it a cinch ... not sure why they recommend 3
05:15.04Amarande(I'm speaking of the quest where you fight the elite pirate till he gets low, then you fight the elite bear)
05:16.00Amarandegranted, of course, I didn't find out whether it gets hard if you don't abuse Death Strike like I did :)
05:19.33WobWorkoh that one
05:19.45WobWorkit's relatively easy if you kite the ebar
05:19.47WobWorkbear
05:19.48AmarandeWob: in what case can you imagine it needing three people? :)
05:20.00Amarandeyeah, maybe warriors might have trouble then
05:20.07WobWorkthree ... um...
05:20.12WobWorknot at all
05:20.20WobWorkjust fight the pirate on the chute
05:20.25AmarandePaladins I wouldn't expect to, because they can heal, which is also why DKs can go toe to toe with it (it doesn't do enough DPS to kill you over its lifetime if you are using Death Strike at every chance)
05:20.26WobWorkthen hop off the chute
05:21.00Amarande'Course, I'm also Frost, which seems to be probably the best spec to abuse DS
05:21.55JerubAmarande: NR group or OL group?
05:22.03Jerubi found the standards for 'group' between the two varied wildly.
05:22.06AmarandeJerub: Northrend. The quest being discussed is in HF.
05:22.22JerubI soloed anything G3 or below in OL no worries, and lots of G5 stuff
05:22.28Jerubi soloed almost no NR quests
05:23.20Amarandewow, it was late Outland where I found the most quests I couldn't solo
05:23.39AmarandeNR group quests tend to if anything have a greater tendency to be soloable if you play your cards right
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05:23.42Amarandewhat class are you?
05:24.21Jerubmy recollection is from my druid
05:24.33Jerubi now think questing is for chumps and dps classes.
05:24.41WobWorkthis is true
05:25.02WobWorkI soloed every quest up til the final Icecrown G3s on my DK
05:25.06WobWorkand even some of those
05:28.38AmarandeWob: Even G5's?
05:29.05AmarandeUsually I at least attempt G3 (unless there's some specific gimmick I know my class is in trouble against with it), but G5 usually says "forget it, kid" to me
05:30.10Amarandeok, let's not get run over by the felr, I mean the storm giant
05:30.33WobWorkmy favourite one that I solo'd was http://www.wowhead.com/quest=13164
05:30.46WobWorkthat's a g5
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05:41.09WobWorkthat one's based around a large piit
05:41.10WobWorkpit
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05:41.20WobWorkit took me about 5minutes to kill him =P
05:41.50WobWorkunholy presence for the first 70%, strafe sideways around the pit, and IT, when you have runes
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05:42.15WobWorkafter 70% he slows down a bit, and you can throw in deathcoils
05:42.37WobWorkbut you need the unholy speed boost to stay out of his range
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06:08.07Amarandeyeah, kiting and strafing have never been my most particularly strong suits
06:09.03WobWorkI learned as a hunter =)
06:09.11Thunder_Childi solod that one as a pally
06:09.33WobWorkI couldn't outheal his damage standing toe to toe with runestrike alone
06:09.50WobWork(well runestrike at that point)
06:09.53Thunder_Childthe guy on the top of the castle however i could not solo
06:10.01WobWorkwhich one was that?
06:10.18WobWorkor are we talking HF now?
06:10.26WobWorkwith arugal
06:10.54Thunder_Childthe one with the horn
06:11.01Thunder_Childthe guy on thwe dragon
06:11.04Thunder_Childthe*
06:11.15Thunder_Childhttp://www.wowhead.com/quest=13142
06:11.19Thunder_Childis the one
06:12.02WobWorkyeah, I had to group up for that one, I think
06:12.07WobWorkalthough we did it without a healer
06:12.23Thunder_Childi did it with just me and a healer
06:12.34Thunder_Childthough the healer was top level geared
06:12.35WobWorksingle dps wasn't enough to burn him down fast enough without heals
06:14.59ZorbaBetawhen I was going for Loremaster I asked in my guild for someone to help
06:15.04ZorbaBetaturned out there were a lot of bored people hanging around
06:15.14ZorbaBetawe ended up 5-manning it with TotC25-geared people. it, uh, died fast.
06:16.23JerubZorbaBeta: my guild often does achievement chasing
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07:09.29Fiskerbtw Ackis
07:09.30Fiskeri won
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07:27.51Fiskerfffffffffuuuuuuuuuu- haste
07:27.57Fiskerthey confirmed steam for linux officially
07:31.36Alramas if the penguins on the mac press release pic werent obvious enough
07:31.59Fiskerok you want to be killed Alram ?
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07:34.00Alramok so you want to be raped Fisker=
07:34.04Alrami can make it happen you know
07:34.53zenzelezzshouldn't joke about rape, even with Fisker
07:35.33Alrami do stuff to fisker constantly
07:35.42Alrami bet hes used to it by now!
07:35.58zenzelezzhe may be, but others don't appreciate rape jokes
07:36.13Alramfine :(
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07:44.22temzenzelezz, are we really on this again?
07:44.32temINCOMING TENTACLE RAPE
07:44.37temALERT
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07:44.52WobWorkI love wikipedia: http://screencast.com/t/YjUxOGZlYj
07:45.12Arrowmasterhahaha
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07:50.26mikmahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o - MacGyver showel!
07:55.22Amarandeyay, cobalt slicers operational
07:55.33temmikma, I saw a version of that video a couple of weeks ago
07:55.45temand at first when this one started up, I thought it wouldn't have the epic music
07:55.50temand I was disappointed
07:56.58tembut then the music started
07:57.15temI may leave this running in the background just to hear the music run for 9 minutes
07:57.30temactually, it's way past bedtime
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08:49.17NeoTronso someone turned off the ICC buff in our raid... and we ended up doing heroic blood council unbufed without realizing...
08:50.12nevcairieland did you manage? :)
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08:52.26olafskihm so once again not the fishing overhaul they keep promising eh =(
08:53.07Fiskerblood council isn't about dps anyway
08:53.16zenzelezzhttp://dailysquee.com/2010/05/12/cute-baby-animals-snowflake-malamute/ do want
08:54.44ZorbaBetaarmful of puppy
09:07.31Cairennawwwwww
09:07.42Cairennbeautiful malamute pups
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09:20.28Fiskerrages
09:22.13mikmahaste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpaTJ4-0ux8
09:26.51Wobinhttp://maschalismos.livejournal.com/154574.html#comments
09:26.53Wobinahahaha
09:26.54WobinNSFW
09:26.56Wobinahahahaaa
09:27.05Wobinor maybe it is
09:27.11Wobindepends on how your work views unicorns =P
09:28.20mikmahah
09:31.33mikmahmmh
09:31.43mikmai wonder why chrome/iron won't fill the "http://" in the addresses
09:31.59Fiskerbecause it's useless to have there anyway
09:32.19mikmatry to relink something
09:32.24mikmaturns into this:
09:32.26mikmamaschalismos.livejournal.com/154574.html
09:32.30Fiskernope
09:32.51mikmaoh well
09:32.55FiskerThough it does do it if you are not on the site(which hopefully will be fixed)
09:32.59mikmai'm kinda happy about this Iron anyway
09:33.27mikmahttp://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
09:34.18Fiskermeh
09:34.33mikmahttp://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php  :)
09:34.50Fiskeri saw it
09:34.53Fiskernot impressed :P
09:35.17mikmai am!
09:35.44CairennO.O @ unicorn man
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09:36.37Fisker._.
09:41.28mikmahttp://www.srware.net/downloads/IronPortable.zip :)
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09:43.19cbreakmaybe they don't support anything besides http
09:44.01cbreakfirefox supports some more protocols, so it has to show them
09:44.11cbreak(ftp for example)
09:45.00mikmaftp://ftp.funet.fi/
09:45.04mikmaseems to work just fine :)
09:45.44ArrowmasterWobin: did you find the link in the comments?
09:46.03WobinArrowmaster, to the rest of the set? Yeah =)
09:46.25Fisker:O
09:46.32FiskerFroyo is getting hotspot functionality
09:46.44mikmaso i decided to install the portable version of Iron 5.0.380 Beta, put it in my usb stick to accompany TrueCrypt standalone ^^
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09:52.46sylvanaar_atworkkrka: thanks for the bug reports (im assuming they are from you)
09:53.06Torhalsylvanaar_atwork: 3.3.5 is going to put a world of hurt on Prat, no?
09:53.13sylvanaar_atworkwhat
09:53.26sylvanaar_atworkcowers
09:53.35sylvanaar_atworkwhat is in 3.5
09:53.39Fiskeri guess he's talking about the redesigned chat frames
09:53.45sylvanaar_atworkcries
09:53.49Fiskernotifications, popup chats, etc.
09:54.01Fiskertoats
09:54.03Fiskertoasts*
09:54.07sylvanaar_atworktoasts
09:54.26TorhalYes. Those.
09:54.27Fiskeri sure hope toasts can be modded do not want notification windows like that ;_;
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09:54.45sylvanaar_atworkwhen is 3.3.5
09:54.50Fiskernext week
09:54.54Torhalsylvanaar_atwork: PTR just hit a day or two ago
09:54.59Fisker(j/k of course) :3
09:55.13TorhalThis will be the first PTR since 3.0.3 that I actually installed.
09:55.46Fiskerit's also damn buggy
09:55.47nevcairielwhy would you do that?
09:55.47sylvanaar_atworkwell - it might let me dump some modules - there may be a bright side
09:55.50Fiskerservice is down all the time etc.
09:55.52ZorbaBetayay toast
09:56.17Fiskerthe realm/faction integration doesn't even work properly anymore either
09:56.45TorhalWow. If RoM can actually do this, I'm glad I don't play it...there's an AddOn in the approval queue that says "WebLinks Features web links (URLs) received through chat will be clickable in the chat window clicking a web link will open your web browser"
09:57.01sylvanaar_atworko.O
09:57.06WobinO.o
09:57.06TorhalMakes me wonder what else RoM can launch...
09:57.26Fiskeroh lord
09:57.28sylvanaar_atworklaunches your mom
09:57.29nevcairielRoM is pretty much unlimited to evilness
09:57.30Fiskeryou gotta be shitting me
09:57.36Fiskeri can see the friends of friends
09:57.50sylvanaar_atworkhaha
09:57.58sylvanaar_atworkwhen will wow get Facebook integrations
09:58.02sylvanaar_atworkROFL
09:58.06WobinFisker, You knew that, didn't you?
09:58.09Fiskerno Wobin
09:58.18Fiskerwasn't like that in SC2 as far as i know
09:58.19WobinI don't know why they included that level, tbh
09:58.25Wobinwho -needs- to know friends of friends?
09:58.31Fiskerexactly
09:58.38sylvanaar_atworkpeople on Facebook
09:58.46Fiskeryeah *sigh*
10:01.09Wobinoh boy
10:01.14WobinZP reviews Nier
10:01.16Wobinthis should be good =P
10:06.14Fiskeri'm hungwy Wobin
10:06.51Wobinslaps Fisker in the face with a bit of trout
10:07.10Fiskerbtw sylvanaar_atwork got an active account?
10:07.21sylvanaar_atworkFisker: yes
10:07.25Fiskerk
10:07.36sylvanaar_atworkwhy?
10:07.44Fiskerthought you were one of those silly addon authors that actually tries to maintain addons without an active wow account :P
10:07.57Fisker(also we could be bestest friends if you need it for testing)
10:07.57sylvanaar_atworkno, im Sylvaann on Mal'Ganis
10:08.52sylvanaar_atworkthat'd be great
10:09.39TorhalI knew it. He wants to PTR you.
10:09.44sylvanaar_atworkhaha
10:09.51Fisker:3
10:10.12sylvanaar_atworkwell, im going to be gone this weekend so no ptr for me until next week
10:10.18Fiskeryou can ptr now!
10:10.25sylvanaar_atworkim at work
10:10.36TorhalFisker: There is no textmode WoW.
10:11.06TorhalYay. Gentoo finally has the 1.1.44 Wine build. Only four days late.
10:11.07sylvanaar_atworkit also wont run over RDP
10:11.14Fisker:(
10:11.56TorhalNow SC2 will (supposedly) not take 30 minutes to launch.
10:11.59ZorbaBetawobin, man, for him, that was practically glowing praise
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10:12.28WobinZorbaBeta, ?
10:13.24ZorbaBetathe ZP Nier review
10:13.33WobinZorbaBeta, hehe, indeed =)
10:15.01TorhalErm...Curse jumped the gun on the WoW versions. Apparently any AddOns released within the past couple of days are good to go for 3.3.5
10:15.17nevcairielfunny how they are too slow usually
10:15.21TorhalYah
10:16.59sylvanaar_atworki need a new tea maker
10:17.33TorhalI definitely need to go to bed. I had the strange urge to say "There's an app for that."
10:17.36Wobintea maker?
10:17.37Arrowmasteri fucking love japan, i just found the greatest video ever, too bad theres no way i could link it in here
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10:18.10sylvanaar_atworksexy http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B001EN4EHW?tag=betteraddons-20
10:18.41nevcairielwth
10:18.43Wobino.O
10:18.50Wobinuh... what's wrong with a normal teapot?
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10:19.09nevcairielI usually just get a water boiler and tea <.<
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10:20.59Wobinsylvanaar_atwork, I use http://t2tea.com/tea-ware/accessories/general/green-nina-infuser/
10:21.17Wobinit's nice and easy, and rinses fast
10:21.18airtonixgreen ninja infuser?
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10:21.51sylvanaar_atworki use http://amazon.com/o/ASIN/B0011O1XOQ?tag=betteraddons-20
10:22.50sylvanaar_atworkim a gadget whore
10:23.30Fiskeromg
10:23.34Fiskermust not respond
10:23.38airtonixbit large for a gadget
10:23.42nevcairielI dont think i would spend money on an extra tea maker
10:23.53FiskerSomeone posted that wow was detected as a virus by his virusscanner
10:23.54nevcairielwhen a default hot-water-maker can also serve that purpose
10:24.11airtonixreleases the fiskers
10:24.23sylvanaar_atworkbefore that i used http://www.amazon.com/Zarafina-Maker-Suite-Ceramic-Serving/dp/B000HJNJNO
10:24.24FiskerThen someone else says that it's because the patches are downloaded through  bittorrent and he downloaded a piece from an infected computer
10:24.47Fiskermust...not...rage
10:24.55airtonixi give you permission
10:25.17sylvanaar_atworknevcairiel: its easier to use the tea maker at work
10:25.31sylvanaar_atworknevcairiel: at home i just use hot water and an infuser ball
10:26.11mikmawobin: http://www.wikio.com/product/tefal-magic-tea-67487.html
10:26.17mikmawe have that one and it rocks :)
10:27.05sylvanaar_atworkhttp://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B000F7DT2O?tag=betteraddons-20
10:27.11sylvanaar_atworki use that at home
10:27.36mikmasylvanaar_atwork: that one rocks too
10:29.20FiskerYour bones will freeze
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10:32.14Arrowmasteryes i found a torrent of this video
10:32.33Fiskerwatch out
10:32.39Fiskerif someone is infected you could get infected too
10:32.49airtonixdon't sneeze on me
10:33.03Fiskeri sneezed on your mom
10:33.06mikmaarrowmaster: porn*?
10:33.13Fiskerbut it wasn't with my nose
10:33.15FiskerBABOOM!
10:33.16Arrowmaster100% NSFW this is porn and a total 'WTF JAPAN?' http://pics.cheggit.nl/pics/2010/01/28/1178-113B35.jpg
10:33.30airtonixdont click it fisker
10:33.38airtonixgot milk?
10:33.52mikmaarrowmaster: cool
10:34.10Fiskerdoesn't wanna be real id friends with Arrowmaster
10:36.12mikmaarrowmaster: link us with the torrent!
10:36.19Arrowmasterprivate tracker
10:36.24mikmadamn you!
10:43.39Fiskersharing is caring Arrowmaster
10:44.18Arrowmasteri said private tracker
10:44.24zenzelezzhm.... "Paparazzi" on electric violin is win
10:44.34Fiskeri said sharing is caring Arrowmaster
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10:50.38zenzelezzso now gold spammers on trade chat are saying it's "MacAfee Secure"
10:50.45A-KOlol
10:51.09nevcairielive wondered before wtf that is about
10:51.48Arrowmasterare they trying to say that stupid little image you see on sites that says theyve been 'scanned' everyday?
10:51.54Arrowmasterbut really it does absolutely nothing
10:51.59zenzelezzrumour is gold sellers are all bad and trying to scam you... claiming it's secure by using a generally known anti-virus/scam will likely fool a lot of people
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10:52.17Arrowmastersince my college has had that on their site for years yet the entire login is done in plaintext
10:52.27airtonixpeople worship brand icons
10:52.40airtonixhi heres a gold calf, bow down
10:53.13Arrowmasteri doubt youll get many people to worship a golden cow these days
10:53.15A-KOI don't run any AV on my webservers
10:53.16A-KOoh noes
10:53.22airtonixgoto india
10:53.26Arrowmastertry a golden iphone or ipad
10:54.50Arrowmastersleepy time
11:02.48zenzelezzhttp://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/12/business/facebook-privacy.html - cool presentation
11:05.11Fiskerfffffffffuuuu-
11:05.20Fisker"Why can't i get access to the SD card on my phone"
11:05.32Fisker*checks drivers, disk management, etc.*
11:05.37Fisker15 minutes later
11:05.41Fiskeroh the cable is not plugged in
11:05.52nevcairielfail
11:06.39Fiskerto my defense it should've been plugged in
11:06.44Fiskercat must've gotten to it ;_;
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11:27.59krkasylvanaar_atwork: yup, i went crazy there for a bit :)
11:28.47krkasylvanaar_atwork: no need for me to be listed as coauthor since i didn't do anything, you're just using my project as a dependency, which is a different thing
11:28.59krkamaybe in the future, if i manage to make any real changes
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11:29.24krkasylvanaar_atwork: also, it was confusing that the download link was missing from the plugins-page, but i eventually found it in the source link
11:30.05sylvanaar_atworkkrka: well i have alot of work to do on the plugin still, but the but reports are appreciated
11:30.33krkado you have any ant or maven target for building it?
11:30.41sylvanaar_atworks/the but/the bug/
11:30.47krkawould be cool to check out your project, set it up in intellij, and being able to build it myself
11:31.02sylvanaar_atworkyou can, just get it from bitbucket
11:31.07krkai have :)
11:31.11krkajust didnt find any build targets
11:31.23sylvanaar_atworkyou have to set up the plugin sdk - its easy
11:31.50sylvanaar_atworkand install a plugin i think
11:31.54sylvanaar_atworkdevkit
11:31.58krkaand the module was brokenish, but maybe it works now
11:32.08krkacool, i'll take a look at that later when i have time
11:32.23sylvanaar_atworkyeah, i fixed all the module issues by using binaries from you instead of source
11:32.41krkacool
11:32.42sylvanaar_atwork(the compile issues)
11:33.26sylvanaar_atworki really want to finish the parser so i can get to doing refactorings
11:33.47nevcairielwhatcha talking about? your lua intellij plugin?
11:33.52sylvanaar_atworkyeah
11:34.14sylvanaar_atworkits still a bit buggy, but its coming along
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11:42.31Adyskd3: ping
11:42.34Adysor any winers
11:44.51hasteabuses wine.
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11:53.42zenzelezzI hate getting new ranks of Conjure Water... it's like "lulz you can only make two at a time now!"
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11:54.24hastebut god are those new ranks awesome compared to the previous ones!
11:54.36zenzelezzyeah
11:54.49zenzelezzI just don't like going from one cast for a full stack to ten :-p
11:55.06Mikkyou're free to keep casting the previous rank! noone's forcing you! =)
11:55.14zenzelezzhehehe
11:55.23nevcairielexcept that you need to like drink 5 of them!
11:55.32Mikknoone's forcing him! =)
11:55.37olafskiif only drinking stacked
11:55.48olafskiso you could drink 5 simultaneously :)
11:55.56Mikkdwarves should totally be allowed to drink more than 1 simultaneously
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11:56.12Mikkat least if there's alcohol in it
11:57.30ZorbaBetaDwarven Beer Bong of the Whale
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12:02.41AdysMikk: actually, blizzard is forcing him!
12:02.48AdysRANKS ARE GOING AWAY :( :(
12:03.23Adysany winer able to log in to the ptr?
12:03.30Adysnative wldap32 doesnt seem to work for me
12:04.16krkasylvanaar_atwork: if you make even some refactorings working, that would be completely awesome and impressive
12:04.29krkayou haven't started on code folding yet, right?
12:04.49sylvanaar_atworkcode folding works
12:04.53sylvanaar_atworkyou mean formatting?
12:04.54TorhalAdys: I just logged in
12:05.08AdysTorhal: what are your dll overrides in winecfg?
12:05.12Adysand did you use winetricks for anything
12:05.17TorhalAdys: None.
12:05.23Adys.. which ptr?
12:05.28TorhalI used winetricks for IE6
12:05.38sylvanaar_atworkkrka: the only thing i fold are comments and functions
12:06.07TorhalAdys: Anasterian
12:06.08AdysTorhal: this is the 3.3.5 ptr right?
12:06.15TorhalIs there another?
12:06.18TorhalHeh
12:06.20Adysi dunno
12:06.35Adysmakes no sense you should need at least vcrun2006
12:06.37Adyser
12:06.38Adys2005
12:06.39krkai tried folding functions and nothing happened :/
12:06.55TorhalHrm
12:06.59krkaand indent code made it look weird, maybe i did something wrong
12:07.11TorhalI may have used winetricks for other stuff, but all I remember is for IE6
12:07.12sylvanaar_atworkkrka: reformat isnt working
12:07.17TorhalI ran it like 2 years ago
12:07.36Adysill try a clean prefix..
12:07.49TorhalUgh
12:07.55TorhalMy copied toon isn't there, either
12:07.56sylvanaar_atworkkrka: it will be alot better once i have a proper parser
12:08.03TorhalAnd I just looked and it burned one of my copies
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12:09.48TorhalI'm compiling a patched wine so my son can freak out that I have the SC2 beta when I get him this weekend.
12:10.22krkai guess the problem is building an AST from the tokens?
12:10.36Adyskrka: do you have the ptr installed?
12:10.48krkano
12:10.52AdysYOU SUCK
12:10.55Adyswhy are you alive
12:11.16sylvanaar_atworkkrka: yeah, and they tell you to write the parser by hand - which is really time consuming
12:11.39krkasounds like it
12:11.43sylvanaar_atworkkrka: for the lexer i at least had JFlex which helped
12:11.45krkacan't you steal stuff from the lau source?
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12:11.49krka*lua
12:12.36sylvanaar_atworkyes, thats my plan
12:14.25sylvanaar_atworkbut the parser needs to be able to parse isolated segments of code instead of the whole file - thats where alot of those exceptions you got come from
12:16.11krkaah
12:16.13krkathat's tricky
12:16.44krkadid you take a look at the javascript plugin?
12:16.48krkashould be fairly similar i guess
12:17.30sylvanaar_atworkyeah, i have been taking stuff from several plugins
12:17.41foxlitSo, question.
12:17.41sylvanaar_atworkstill its alot of work
12:17.43krkamakes sense
12:18.00foxlitIf I wanted to digitally signed a windows application, I'm more or less out of luck unless I'm a large software company?
12:18.09foxlits/ned/n/
12:19.29ZorbaBetaI suspect you can go buy a signing cert and then go sign it
12:19.35ZorbaBetait costs you a chunk of money, but not a ridiculous amount
12:23.25Kalrothfoxlit: yes
12:24.13foxlitLooks like I'm looking at the neighbourhood of $150/year
12:24.34zenzelezzwhat program are you making that you'd want to sign?
12:24.37Kalrothhttp://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537361%28VS.85%29.aspx#Criteria_for_Commerc
12:24.57foxlitzenzelezz: Nothing worth that sort of money, really
12:25.13Kalrother http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537361%28VS.85%29.aspx#Criteria_for_Individ
12:25.28zenzelezzfoxlit: still, I'm curious what made you wonder in the first place :)
12:25.50foxlitzenzelezz: Just contemplating shipping a .exe installer for windows shell extension on wowi
12:26.02foxlitBLP thumbnails on windows, basically.
12:26.09zenzelezzaha
12:26.45foxlitThing is, it's Vista up, so every installation is going to trip that "Are you sure you wish your computer to be royally owned?" warning
12:26.52foxlits/up/and up/
12:27.54KalrothSure, everyone clicks yes on that anyways
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12:31.49sylvanaar_atworkfoxlit: you can self sign an app - but they will be prompted to accept the certificate
12:31.50sylvanaar_atworkonce they accept the certificate they wont be prompted anymore
12:45.57nevcairielwont every downloaded application basically do that "you downloaded this, are you sure?" UAC window?
12:46.15foxlitnevcairiel: Yes. I'm merely hoping to get my name into the "Publisher: unknown" field.
12:46.34foxlitsylvanaar_atwork: won't that working be worse, theoretically?
12:46.48foxlit"Trust this unsigned app?" versus "Trust this app signed by someone you don't trust?"
12:47.55nevcairielspending money on that seems weird
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12:48.22foxlitAgreed. It'd make sense if the thing I'm signing wasn't free, but otherwise, it's kind of meh.
12:51.20A-KO^foxlit: Is there any need to digitally sign your application? Windows will run it just fine, the only problem with digital signing that Windows has is driver signing.
12:51.32A-KO^and if your app doesn't use a kernel mode driver, it's not 100% necessary.
12:51.34foxlitA-KO^: No, not really.
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12:51.50CairennMorning Lopeppeppy
12:51.56LopeppeppyHeya!
12:52.03foxlitThe only thing is distribution integrity -- "Hey, I ran your installer, and it logged my keys!"
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12:58.53MikkDigitally signed has some value
12:59.11MikkIt's limited unless you're a paranoid end user, granted
12:59.16MikkBut some limited value
12:59.43MikkUnless you're using snake oil certificates like sylv suggested
12:59.58MikkYou really do need a cert from a trusted authority or the whole chain-of-trust idea becomes moot
12:59.59nevcairielif its a signed msi installer, you dont get the "exclamation mark" warning dialog, rather a question mark confirmation dialog, so it looks more friendly
13:01.54LopeppeppyWhat if I want hostile installation interactions?
13:03.39foxlitMikk: well, not the whole idea.
13:08.31foxlitOthers wouldn't be able to create an application signed with the same certificate, so it still saves me from some masquerading.
13:11.57foxlitLooks like it just ignores a self-signed cert if you don't trust the root, which is nice.
13:12.59shifuimamare there any good addons that show the action bar numbers?
13:16.12Mikkwhat numbers
13:16.21Mikki mean the default UI shows you the keys to hit
13:16.24Mikkand the number of the current bar
13:18.02miicadoes this look like "good" module http://pastebin.com/zT7Dv6db
13:18.29foxlit(a) Wrapping your entire .lua in an if is evil
13:18.33foxlit(b) "biggest", not "bigest"
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13:19.09miicaplaa
13:19.21miicaso i should use return or something?
13:19.30foxlitif not your condition then return; end
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13:20.06foxlitThere is some minor stuff like you using arg2/arg1 instead of the varargs (in CHAT_MSG_GUILD)
13:20.10shifuimammiica: the slot numbers for writing macros
13:20.17shifuimaminstead of having to count every time
13:20.31foxlitexplicit return and end of functions is not needed
13:20.47foxlit(ShortBids)
13:20.58foxlitAlso, Sort, not Short.
13:21.14foxlitit also looks like you'r using some weird bubble-sort like thing
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13:21.41foxlittable.sort would be cleaner
13:21.53foxlitwhen swapping variables in lua, you can do it on one line
13:22.04foxlitSo instead of temp = a; a = b; b = temp; do a,b = b,a;
13:22.28miicait may look cleaner but is it easier to read :o
13:22.49foxlits/but/and/ clearly :)
13:23.18foxlitBut yes; table.sort(bids, descendingBidSort) would be more readable than your nested for loops :)
13:23.44miicaneed to check it out :3
13:23.51foxlitwhere descendingBidSort is previously-defined local function descendingBidSort(a,b) return a.bid > b.bid; end
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13:29.28SintrinsicWow. lol. There are more people in here than in any of my C# or AS3 rooms. I didnt know the addon community was this active.
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13:30.12hasteI wouldn't be surprised with most of the people aren't writing addons however
13:30.17LopeppeppyActive, reactive, interesting funtimes.
13:30.41Sintrinsicah. lol. Well would this be the place to ask an addon security question, then?
13:30.59haste~asktoask
13:31.00purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
13:31.01haste:)
13:31.04SlackwiseOh hey, activity. What's the best way to defer loading of an addon until ADDON_LOADED fires?
13:31.55hasteSlackwise: depends on how you want to defer it
13:32.21Sintrinsic-_- I asked if this was the correct room. Not if i could ask. Anyway, I'm considering writing an addon similar to healbot to handle individual pull "encounters", with pre-assigned buttons for taunt/target, ect. Is this even possible, or prevented, due to the fact that combat will start before agro checks can be done?
13:32.23Slackwisehaste: Well someone wrote a mod that does all of its configuration in a file, and only reads it once upon execution.
13:32.45SlackwiseI'm adding in configuration loading from a SavedVariable, but I need to defer the execution until ADDON_LOADED.
13:33.08hastewithout modifying the other addon?
13:33.08SlackwiseThere are a few ways to approach this. :/
13:33.15SlackwiseI am definitely modifying said addon.
13:33.21SlackwiseBut I want to keep it minimal.
13:33.21hastethen just make it LoD
13:33.27SlackwiseThat's what I was thinking.
13:33.42SlackwiseAnd have another addon load it after it's done with ADDON_LOADED?
13:33.42foxlitEnable/DisableAddOn behavior is a bit odd
13:34.18foxlitNot that that'd help you here. My bad.
13:34.56hasteSintrinsic: in most cases you can figure out what boss you'll encounter before the encounter is started
13:35.07hastebut it seems like a odd thing to write :P
13:35.22hasteSlackwise: that's probably the easiest solution
13:35.49Fiskerhaste foxlit
13:35.52Fiskerlets be friends on PTR
13:35.54Fiskerbest friends
13:35.57Fiskersuperbestfriends
13:35.59Slackwisehaste: I was thinking so too, outside of radically modifying his /entire/ addon. :/
13:36.11SintrinsicWell, what i'm really looking to do is emulate the encounter system of Vanguard:SoH. When you pull any mob or group of mobs, you get a frame with every mob's name/target, and can click any mob in that list to set as your offencive target.
13:36.17foxlitSlackwise: make them dependent on your addon
13:36.20foxlitThat's just a .toc edit
13:36.26SlackwiseYes, I know.
13:36.33SlackwiseMake dependent on mine, wait for ADDON_LOADED
13:36.35SlackwiseLoad on demand.
13:36.37foxlitThat'll make sure that you load and get your SVs first
13:36.38SlackwiseSolved.
13:36.45foxlitDon't make them LoD, though
13:36.50foxlitSince that might require code changes.
13:36.56SlackwiseAhh. :/
13:37.00MikkRemember "LoadsWith"
13:37.05Mikk^ Good shit
13:37.10SlackwiseLoadsWith...
13:37.11Slackwisegoogles.
13:37.23MikkIt's like a dependency.. except it doesnt load until the first one decides to
13:37.25foxlitMikk: not quite what it's meant for?
13:37.38hastefoxlit: you can't do that if the add-on executes the code without events
13:37.39MikkI'm unsure what it is you're trying to accomplish - I just pointed it out
13:37.48hastewhich it sounded like the add-on in question did
13:38.01foxlithaste: I'm rusty on my loading process, but I think it goes one at a time.
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13:38.14foxlitAt least that's the model that'd best explain my observed Enable/DisableAddOn behavior
13:38.22SintrinsicI could probably calculate agro radius and group member positions before combat starts in some cases, but in all but the most controlled pulls, I dont want security measures preventing new mobs from being added to the "encounter" list. Keep in mind that this is for any intance of any level, not just raids or bosses.
13:38.29foxlitSlackwise: but what do you actually want to do with things once you have your SVs?
13:38.41Slackwisefoxlit: Overwrite the variables of the other addon.
13:38.46SlackwiseWhich I will just modify his init script.
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13:39.00foxlitIs this just a one-time thing?
13:39.08foxlitLike installing a bunch of addons in a UI pack?
13:39.24Slackwisehttp://github.com/Slackwise/Tukui/blob/master/Interface/AddOns/Tukui/scripts/init.lua
13:39.27Fiskerhaaaaaaaaaaste
13:39.30Fiskerfriends?
13:39.38Slackwisehttp://github.com/Slackwise/Tukui/blob/master/Interface/AddOns/Tukui/scripts/init.lua
13:39.39Slackwiseerr
13:39.45Sintrinsiclol. I'll be your friend fisker.
13:39.53Slackwisehttp://github.com/Slackwise/Tukui/blob/master/Interface/AddOns/Tukui/config/config.lua
13:39.55foxlitSintrinsic: It's a Trap!
13:40.11SintrinsicErr... In that case, I charge a friend tax.
13:40.12SlackwiseMaking that load from WTF instead.
13:40.15SlackwisePer char.
13:40.30SlackwiseThe eventual goal is having a config panel along with the ability to change stuff while running.
13:40.36SlackwiseRight now his code is linear. >:(
13:40.41SlackwiseIt loads once, and that's it.
13:40.45SlackwiseWant to change stuff? ReloadUI()
13:40.48SlackwiseUgh.
13:41.04foxlitThat's going to require rewriting no matter what you do.
13:41.15SlackwiseYea, I know. Was hoping to get a quick hack in.
13:41.22SlackwiseTo at least have loading from WTF.
13:41.40foxlitAh, hm.
13:41.45SlackwiseI'm not sure how someone could have coded this in the first place.
13:42.08SlackwiseIt's just, it's about 90% of what I want.
13:42.11SlackwiseSo I want to finish the rest. :P
13:42.14foxlitEasily; some people are too happy to make "just edit the .lua file!" configuration.
13:42.16SlackwiseHence my github fork.
13:43.11SlackwiseI'll probably request a pull once I'm done and tested. :P
13:43.25SlackwiseIf not, I'll just start my own branch and do merges going forward.
13:43.32SlackwiseWhat is the licensing on addons?
13:43.36foxlitBut okay. Try making a new addon and making this one depend on it.
13:43.42SlackwiseI believe Blizzard has a licensing statement for all addons, yes?
13:43.55foxlitNo.
13:44.52foxlitLicensing on addons is whatever the individual addon's authors say it is.
13:45.33SlackwiseI guess I meant http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/ui.html
13:45.34foxlitBlizzard is doing their own "but we may ban your addon if you do not follow these rules" acrobatics, but they in no way affect licensing.
13:45.45SintrinsicOk. Let me try to simplify my question... (I rarely do this well): If my addon displays a frame with a mobs name on it (generated while in combat), is there any way to have a user click that frame with a set mouse button, and have a pre-defined action taken on that mob that's been dynamically displayed?
13:45.57foxlitSintrinsic: no.
13:46.04foxlitYou have to know the name of the mob going into combat.
13:47.06Slackwisehttp://github.com/Slackwise/Tukui/blob/master/Interface/AddOns/Tukui/license/LICENSE
13:47.07foxlitSlackwise: which should get you your SVs before the other addon begins loading. Hopefully.
13:47.13SlackwiseJust reading that and wondering if I should even bother forking.
13:47.37SintrinsicHmm. Ok. Well, info display is considered safe though, right? So i could display a list of combatant mobs along with a list of their targets?
13:48.58foxlitSintrinsic: technical difficulties with availability of that information aside, there won't be any problems displaying it.
13:49.19foxlitIt's just that you won't be able to do anything with it -- no "click to target this mob that I just found the name of"
13:49.21SlackwiseHe gives no permission to publish edited versions without asking...
13:49.27SlackwiseBut it's on Github...
13:49.46SlackwiseHrmph.
13:49.51hastebeing on github doesn't remove copyright
13:49.56SlackwiseIndeed.
13:50.04SlackwiseBut his "License" states no publishing.
13:50.13SlackwiseDoes a fork on Github constitute publishing?
13:50.32nevcairielI wouldnt say it does
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13:50.53SlackwiseI'm starting to think I should just start my own project instead here.
13:51.05hasteif he does say so, let me know and I'll slap him in the face for distributing a modified oUF
13:51.15Slackwise:Lol.
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13:52.21Sintrinsicfoxlit: Longshot I know, but is it possible to have a set of macros interact with the list item number to workaround the issue?
13:53.12foxlitI'm not sure what you mean.
13:53.24Sintrinsicor maybe modify the display location of nameplates, which are threat colored already.
13:53.27foxlitAlso, lunch. Feel free to restate; there should be plenty of other people to answer your questions here :)
13:55.00SintrinsicI mean that if my addon places newly identified combatants into numbered "slot" positions, could i have a macro take action on the mob from slot 1/2/3/whatever?
13:57.30Adyshttp://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18886-impossible-motion-trick-wins-illusion-contest.html
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13:59.23A-KO^but other tahn that, it's not too bad.
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14:03.28SintrinsicWhat would I search for to find info on mob nameplate related code? Api reference doesnt seem to have anything about them, but i know they can be modified.
14:05.10nevcairielnameplates are magic
14:05.23nevcairielyou have to find someone that knows them and ask them!
14:05.34Sintrinsiclol
14:10.40SintrinsicHmm. Is it possible to create frames for ALL mobs in my detectable radius before combat, assign click actions, then only display specific ones during combat?
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14:12.05nevcairielnop
14:12.10Sintrinsicblarg.
14:14.16shifuimamso are there any addons that show action bar slot numbers?
14:14.22shifuimami've been looking but haven't found anything
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14:23.49Krapsis char copy still broken?
14:24.38foxlitwasn't yesterday night
14:26.28Krapshttp://us.blizzard.com/en-us/community/fanart/#966
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14:27.26Krapsthis is badass http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/community/fanart/#962
14:28.40AckisToday I slipped in the shower and tried to grab onto the water to catch myself. It didn't work! :(
14:29.21LopeppeppyNo dea, that doesn't work.
14:29.48LopeppeppyKraps, I think of that as Peppy and Zootfizzle out for a ride!
14:30.06Krapslol peppy
14:30.09Ackismisses Zoot
14:30.26CairennAckis: me too :(
14:30.38Krapsfoxlit: premades are still broken
14:30.50foxlitKraps: full queue when I looked
14:31.46Mr_Rabiesthat Tooth guy is really good
14:32.50KrapsAverage Wait Time: 10 days  loooooooooool
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15:00.17Ackisinteresting read about ToS and trying to sue a software company for defects: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/05/12/red_sky_liability_ruling/
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15:24.06Thunder_ChildShirik: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lensprofile_creator/?PID=3154956
15:26.21Fiskeris it old?
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15:28.59ShirikThunder_Child: Very cool
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15:35.07KrapsFisker: you're old
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15:38.20cog|workhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnBKoeeTgjk NSFW ....... or is it?
15:39.09nevcairielhate to say it, but: old!
15:39.26cog|worklook at me caring...
15:39.27cog|work:P
15:39.43Shiriklol cog|work
15:39.45Shiriknice
15:39.52Mihaucog|work: Creepy!
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15:50.26CairennStation
15:50.32LunessaSTATION!
15:50.34cog|workStation
15:51.14Thunder_Child~lart Cairenn Lunessa cog|work
15:51.14purlexecutes killall -HUP Cairenn Lunessa cog|work
15:51.33LunessaSomeone didn't get his bowl of sunshine this morning.
15:52.23Fiskerzenzelezz
15:52.27Fiskeryou have iphone knowledge right?
15:52.34zenzelezzsome
15:52.50FiskerKnow if the usb connection could be used to pull sensitive data?
15:53.03Fiskerwithout some kind of security hole of course
15:53.26zenzelezznot as far as I know. Apple's very strict about what you can access on the phones
15:53.36Fiskerhmm
15:53.38zenzelezzif it was jailbroken then it's be wide open I think
15:53.38LunessaFisker - Just grab the back up file of the user's PC or Mac.
15:53.45Fiskerthat's the thing, it wasn't
15:53.49durcynprobably wouldn't be too much of a stretch to make it think it's syncing with its home copyof itunes
15:54.14FiskerThere's been a two posts on the forums with people using an ipod/iphone authenticator being compromised
15:54.18ShirikLunessa: Sunshine is overrated
15:54.26durcynor, yeah, just snag the backups if you've already owned the box
15:54.40LunessaShirik: No, not entirely.  If you want to avoid rickets.
15:55.21Shirikwtf is rickets
15:55.39LunessaA condition caused by vitimin D deficiency.
15:57.32LunessaShirik: https://health.google.com/health/ref/Rickets
15:57.42mikmahttp://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/oqaaagn1cdij1kwkrp1qp3gbw4pyhotzvikxhq6vsbq4w6yrmhl5rcxj8vcbh4mmf4ydxjw9kwifccz7pifrwcppfe0am1t1ujp0x7iegkhmgl25vnbgercfz2_p.jpg
15:57.47Shirikwtf is google health
15:58.14LunessaNow you're just being a dick.
15:58.22cog|workjfgi
15:58.25zenzelezzwhat do you mean "now"?
15:58.33Jamashhe's practicing to be Fisker's understudy
15:58.58Shirikno
15:59.00ShirikLunessa
15:59.07ShirikI've never heard of this google health
15:59.10ShirikI mean I get what it is obviously
15:59.15Shirikbut when the hell did they do that
15:59.22Jamashgoogle installed nanites in everyone's body in like 2006, get with the program
15:59.42cog|worksilly wikipedia addict not using wikipedia
15:59.45Jamashnow you can google your spleen
15:59.55LunessaShirik: It's part of their "compete with MS Bing" stuff.
16:00.00zenzelezzShirik: Google does a lot of stuff you don't know; no need to "wtf" it
16:00.08Shirikcog|work: Actually, I did
16:00.11ShirikBut I looked for "ricket"
16:00.26ShirikI assumed it was a plural term
16:01.10LunessaIt's in the same class of disease as scurvy.  Rarely seen in developed nations with a decent food supply.
16:01.23cog|workShirik: i was talking about google health
16:01.24cog|work:P
16:01.28cog|workhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Health
16:01.36Shirikoh lol
16:02.14Shirikwhat the fuck
16:02.18Shirikwhy do we have a WikiProject Google
16:02.22Shirikare they that important?
16:02.37Jamashyes, duh
16:02.49Fiskerlets make wikipedo
16:03.31Fiskeradvertising would be great
16:03.41Fiskerthat would get rid of spam completely
16:03.42Jamashold, fisker http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/wikipedia-child-porn-larry-sanger-fbi/
16:03.58p3limIs it possible to disable/remove the combatlog window?
16:05.17Shirikfucking fox
16:05.19Shirikgets it so wrong
16:05.35Shirikalso, yay: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/196244/wikipedia_upgrades_layout_features.html
16:05.36haste/run ChatFrame2:Hide() !
16:05.52Fiskerfail Jamash
16:05.57Fiskerwhy does he suck so much?
16:07.34nobinwikipedia is supposed to to be the archive of all knowledge
16:07.48nobinso, technically, wiki should be 80% porn
16:08.08Fiskerall i can see is that he complains about fictional child pornography
16:08.10Fiskeraka fuck off
16:08.11zenzelezzyou're saying porn is knowledge?
16:08.12KrapsShirik: old
16:08.14Kraps:p
16:08.38ShirikKraps: Not old...
16:08.47ShirikI mean vector is old, I've been using it for months
16:08.50Shirikbut now it's default
16:09.13Krapsi know :)
16:09.59Krapsive been using it forever
16:12.49ShirikI don't like the new logo though
16:12.52Shirikand a lot of other people don't too
16:14.02olafskireminds me of a death star
16:15.27Shirikrofl
16:15.43Shirik(12:12:28) (cary) MuZemike, yes. The search box is the next Fox News headline.
16:15.43Shirik(12:12:34) (cary) and the logo
16:15.43Shirik(12:13:03) (cary) WIKIPEDIA MOVES SEARCH BOX IN RESPONSE TO CHILD PORN ALLEGATIONS
16:16.02Fiskerzomg?
16:17.02hastewat
16:18.01FiskerJ.K ROWLING ARRESTED FOR THE FICTIONAL MURDER OF DUMBLEDORE IN RESPONSE TO FOX NEWS BEING BATSHIT INSANE AGAIN
16:18.35Shirikhaste: Earlier this week fox news posted a story about wikipedia hosting "child pornography"
16:18.59ShirikLater in the week Jimbo decided to delete a bunch of images, and fox news claimed it was "because of their reporting of child pornography"
16:19.12Shiriknot to mention NONE OF THE IMAGES deleted were child pornography
16:19.20Shirikand it had nothing to do with fox
16:19.34Shirikso we're assuming fox will take the credit for the new layout too
16:19.40Fiskeri would
16:19.46Fiskerwhat did jimbo remove then?
16:19.48Jamashfox and facts met once but they got in an argument and haven't spoken since
16:20.35Fiskerlets just say that fox slept with facts' mother
16:20.55Fiskerbtw the Glenn Bleck clip on daily show was fucking hilarious
16:21.42Shiriklol
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16:21.45ShirikUS Airways fail
16:21.51FiskerArizona citizens compared the need to carry ID papers to nazi germany, Glenn Beck throw a hissyfit. *cue the bazillion times Glenn Beck himself have thrown out the hitler card*
16:21.53ShirikThis is my reservation:
16:22.07ShirikDeparture: Washington DC (DCA) to Phoenix AZ (PHX)
16:22.09Sideyhello. Is there a way to copy a variable as reference ?
16:22.14Adyskd3: you awake yet?
16:22.17Fiskerremember your ID paper Shirik
16:22.21ShirikReturn: Phoenix AZ (PHX) to Portland OR (PDX)
16:22.22Fiskeryou damn jew!
16:22.32Shiriksomething tells me that's not a return trip
16:22.48Jamashdeportland ololol
16:22.59Sideyhow do i copy a variable as reference ? If i do a = b and then a = 2 I want b to also be 2
16:23.17foxlitSidey: you do not.
16:23.18Jamashyou don't
16:23.28Sideydon't or can't ?
16:23.42foxlitBoth, really.
16:23.44Jamashyou could use table hackery I suppose but it'd be more work than it's worth
16:23.54foxlitThe closest you can do is wrap the thing in a table, but that's just horrible.
16:23.56hasteShirik: for the lulz!
16:24.47Sideyi have a table in a table ... instead of instead of writing table[blabla][blabla] i just would like to use another name for it for easy access
16:24.47foxlitLunessa: ping
16:25.02Lunessapong
16:25.15Cide-so why do we have a Cidey in here that is not me?
16:25.20foxlitLunessa: is your win7 machine still alive? :)
16:25.23Cide-are you me-y?
16:25.24FiskerCide-
16:25.33Jamashtables are all by reference, so you can do local subtable = table[blah]
16:25.34foxlitSidey: tables, however, are assigned by reference
16:25.52LunessaFox yes, and it still shows me images in preview form nearly all the extracted UI art.
16:25.57foxlitIt's just number/string/boolean values that you can't get a reference to.
16:26.08foxlitLunessa: I have an updated installer, I think.
16:26.21foxlitHave time to nuke everything and see if that works? :)
16:26.30LunessaOk. I'll grab it for my home machine when I leave tonight.
16:26.47LunessaI'd install it here, but... Work machine.
16:27.01foxlitgreater consequences for blowing up, sure :)
16:27.22LunessaI am a sys admin here, but I can't afford the repair time if I blow something up.
16:27.52LopeppeppyMmm, blowing things up.
16:31.30LunessaSee that?  It blowed up REAL GOOD!
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16:31.54LopeppeppySure would be nice to have some GRENADES right about now.
16:32.09LopeppeppySaid in my living room, on Monday night:  "Kendra, stop licking the ordinance."
16:32.20LunessaHaha.
16:34.23LopeppeppyI have drilled grenades from WWI on the bookshelf, she was licking them.  Dumb cat.
16:36.01DashkalLopeppeppy: serenity win
16:36.09DashkalI should watch that again...
16:37.34p3limFCF_Close(ChatFrame2) works wonders :D
16:38.40durcyni'd also recommend a ChatFrame2:UnregisterAllEvents() along with that
16:40.42LopeppeppyWhole series has moments of win.
16:40.51Lopeppeppy"What does that make us?"  "Big damn heroes, sir."
16:42.20zenzelezzyou have WWI grenades in your livingroom? You are an interesting woman
16:42.52nevcairielYou figured that out just now?
16:42.58LopeppeppyYou are JUST getting around to noticing that?  *weg*
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16:45.46Shirikwell Lopeppeppy
16:45.52Shirikgrenades have a lot of iron don't they?
16:46.18LopeppeppyI think she's anemic or something?
16:46.31LunessaThere's a reason I have the whole series on DVD and the movie and I follow Nathan, Joss, and Adam on Twitter.
16:47.37Krapswhat does nathan do these days?
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16:49.16LopeppeppyTwitters some really funny crap sometimes.
16:49.16LunessaCastle.
16:49.22LopeppeppyStars in a tv series, Castle.
16:49.27LunessaAnd he's HILARIOUS
16:49.31DashkalCastle rocks
16:49.57LunessaI swear by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.
16:50.11Lopeppeppy*laugh*  I did like that scene.
16:50.34LopeppeppyAnd when Book calls for a preacher.
16:52.35Lunessa"I could stand to hear a little more."
16:52.59Kraps"What if she doesnt make it?" ""Then you'll be gettin' off a mite sooner."
16:53.27LopeppeppySomething about "oh god, we're gonna crash", "call me if it happens"
16:53.57LopeppeppyBest line ever... "I'll be in my bunk."
16:54.35Dashkal"Define interesting." "Oh god oh god we're all gonna die?"
16:54.50LopeppeppyYeah, I think that's it, Wash about landing?
16:54.59DashkalVery beginning of the movie
16:55.11Lunessa"I am a leaf on the wind. Watch me soar."
16:55.37LopeppeppyCrunch all you want, we'll make more.  Oh wait, no we won't.
16:56.33LunessaMy ship don't crash.
16:59.01LopeppeppyShiney.
16:59.22DashkalThat reminds me.  I wonder what she's going to do now that SG:A is ending
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16:59.40nevcairiel<PROTECTED>
17:00.10DashkalUnless I'm insane (entirely possible) space was saying last season
17:00.30nevcairielSG:A is over for years already
17:00.36nevcairielwonders if there is another SG:A
17:00.39DashkalAhh, stupid Canada being well behind
17:01.23LopeppeppyBlame Canada!
17:01.41DashkalAnyway, nevermind that, what's Jewel up to?
17:02.42nevcairieldoing the SG:A movie, not much else worth mentioning
17:02.48Dashkalmmm
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17:04.39Lunessa"Love. You can know all the math in the 'Verse, but you take a boat in the air that you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as a turn in the worlds. Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down, tells ya she's hurtin' 'fore she keens. Makes her a home. "  - That's fucking awesome.
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17:08.35DashkalBloddy hell.  What's the trick to keeping the black knight from evading again?
17:09.22zenzelezzhm... don't dismount, he'll do it for you?
17:09.27zenzelezzdon't recall exactly
17:09.31DashkalStay mounted?  he starts whacking on me then evades if I dismount.  dismount right away? He evades instantly
17:09.56zenzelezzsadly I don't remember if I stayed mounted or not in the end
17:09.56cog|workthe "i dismount" is the problem
17:10.05cog|workhe will dismount you
17:10.25DashkalHe didn't teh first time.  now he did
17:10.33DashkalSeriously broken quest *sighs*
17:10.40cog|work^
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17:17.15LopeppeppyWelcome to Winterspring, have a nice day!
17:18.24Fiskerwho said SC2 keys weren't awesome?
17:18.55Cide-I'm awesome
17:18.59Cide-and I feel fantastic
17:19.19Fiskergave someone a SC2 key
17:19.26Fiskerbut then he apparently found out he knows someone at Blizzard
17:19.32Fiskerso now he's trying to get me a cataclysm key :P
17:19.44LopeppeppyOooh, nice exchange!
17:19.53Cide-nobody in their right mind would get you a cata key fisker
17:20.04nevcairieli tried that, didnt work, they dont giving stuff for friends-friends
17:20.12nevcairieldont like*
17:20.14cog|worktoo bad there are so many people not in their right mind
17:20.15Lopeppeppybecause you'd talk about it if  you got it!
17:20.16Fiskerperhaps
17:20.58KarlKFI|worktalking baout it's half the fun
17:22.18Xinhuanso whats the other half
17:24.51Shirik...
17:24.56Shirikit's sad when a metal song teaches you history
17:25.35Cide-yes it is
17:25.52Cide-what is more intriguing is how wikipedia didn't teach you said history before listening to the metal song
17:25.55Cide-?!
17:26.02Thunder_Childcog|work: define 'right'
17:26.03LunessaCide-: You are in fact, awesome.  You hooked me up with a key.
17:26.15Cide-well yes
17:26.22Cide-but that was established 21 years ago
17:26.36Cide-also known on the 'net as OLD NEWS
17:26.56LunessaWell, I'm old, so old news is th eonly kind I get?
17:27.35cog|workThunder_Child: something about magnetized cobalt atoms... look it up yourself
17:27.49Cide-I tried to find a saien quote to reply with, Lunessa, but I can't find any
17:27.50Cide-gimme a sec
17:27.53Cide-~imitate saien
17:28.00Cide-~emulate saien
17:28.01purlSlash commands are ameturish.
17:28.04Cide-sec
17:28.50Cide-Lunessa: You are of course, wrong, and I invite you to prove it to yourself.
17:29.14Cide-Lunessa: This is a stunningly stupid question to direct at me.
17:29.22Cide-Lunessa: Your question is not very descriptive, helpful, or useful in any manner.
17:29.34Cide-funnily, most of them work as a general answer to most questions
17:29.48LunessaCide-: If I didn't love you like a younger brother, or perhaps a child who is incomprehensibly smart, I would destroy you.
17:30.43Cide-oh, gee
17:30.58LopeppeppyAwww, how cute.
17:31.00Cide-I am indeed incomprehensibly smart
17:31.14Cide-and a younger brother
17:31.17Cide-wait, are you my brother?
17:31.24LunessaI stole that from a Heinlien story.
17:31.37Cide-I figured it was a quote but google didn't turn up anything relevant
17:31.52LopeppeppyI am innocent of all but malice.
17:31.53LunessaIt wouldn't.  I didn't quote anything, just the theme.
17:31.58Cide-I see
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17:33.31Cide-well, if I were to destroy you, Lunessa -- given my paste experiences with desire -- I would likely employ fire
17:33.33LunessaThey story is about a place where they're genetically modifying their children for intellect.  And the children decide that their parents are too stupid to be trusted with society and/or raising their children.
17:33.50LunessaI might prefer ice.
17:33.55Cide-claps.
17:33.58Cide-too obvious? yeah
17:34.24Cide-sounds like a michael crichton novel
17:34.25LunessaHeard McDowell recite that?  He makes it terrifying.
17:34.37Cide-nope
17:34.48Cide-but it's an excellent poem so I don't doubt it
17:35.10LunessaFirestarter sequel movie - was a ScyFy film that actually didn't suck.
17:36.51Cide-oh crap
17:36.55Cide-michael crichton died in 2008?
17:36.58Cide-I had no idea
17:37.37LunessaOh, I was wrong, it wasn't SyFy, it was USA
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17:38.43p3limis there some list of all cvar names?
17:39.00p3limnot the cvars themselves, but their aliases within wow (arg1 from CVAR_UPDATE)
17:39.37cbreakmy guild is in a crisis... again :(
17:40.15nevcairielp3lim: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/cvars
17:40.18Cide-because of a girl? yeah, been there
17:40.40cbreakthe "hard core" people stopped raiding once we faced a bit of opposition in ICC
17:40.43Cide-^ disclaimer: a joke and generalization
17:40.51nevcairielgirl infused guild crisis? we never had that :p
17:40.54cbreakso we raid now with lots of casuals
17:41.01p3limnevcairiel: I know of that list, but its not what I'm looking for
17:41.06cbreakbut we barely get enough for the first four bosses
17:41.16nevcairielp3lim: sucks to be you, then!
17:41.21Lunessa"Well, my days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle. "
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17:41.24Lopeppeppywhaps Cide anyway.
17:41.29p3limexample: AUTO_DISMOUNT_FLYING_TEXT was the arg1 from CVAR_UPDATE
17:41.33Cide-cbreak: I guess the hard core was... *sunglasses* too soft.
17:41.37cbreakand now when we decide to raid 10 mans instead, some "hard core" people complain about that
17:41.38p3limand thats not a cvar
17:42.38cog|workhttp://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua
17:43.00alestaneWhat did Cide do now?
17:43.04cog|workAUTO_DISMOUNT_FLYING_TEXT = "Auto Dismount in Flight";
17:43.11p3limyep, but im after the cvar name
17:43.24p3limfound some lists in InterfaceOptionsPanels.lua though
17:43.26Cide-<Cide-> because of a girl? yeah, been there
17:43.29Cide-@ alestane
17:44.03cog|workp3lim: what was wrong with nevcairiel's link then?
17:44.11cog|workctrl-F -> dismount
17:52.39alestaneI'm afraid that remark is pretty useless with no context, Cide.
17:54.32Sideyhow do I break out of a FOR loop without stopping the FOR but continuing with the 'next' value in the for
17:55.03alestaneDepends on the language.
17:55.08Lopeppeppyalestane, there was no context to begin with, so that's okay.
17:55.10nevcairiel"continue" usually
17:55.11foxlitLua has no continue keyword.
17:55.14Sideyas "break" will just stop the loop
17:55.19Sideyoh, continue, will try that
17:55.21nevcairielbut yeah, lua doesnt have it
17:55.28Sideydoh
17:55.30Sidey-_-
17:55.36alestaneIn Lua, put the rest of your loop inside an if.
17:55.49cog|workor in a separate function
17:55.49Sideyidd
17:56.20alestanefor blah do if not_continue then do(stuff) end end
17:57.33Sideyyup got it working
17:57.48Adysis there any sensible reason why lua doesn't have a continue keyword, honestly
17:58.02Sideyuh i need to take a break myself ... i'm working like a crazy man
17:58.26nevcairielthere was a reason the author talked about, but forgot what it was exactly
17:58.39alestaneAdys, the usual argument given is that it doesn't work well with the scoping of repeat..until conditions.
17:59.18alestaneYou could continue to the loop test before defining a name used in the test.
17:59.41alestaneThere was a great deal of discussion on the mailing list about whether it should be added to 5.2 or not.
18:00.37p3limcog|work : it did not display the aliases they go by in InterfaceOptionsPanel
18:01.18cbreakcontinue is not required
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18:01.50cbreakeverything that can be written with a hypothetical continue in lua can be written without it
18:02.05cog|workthat's never a good argument for feature omission imo
18:02.12cog|workit's turtles all the way down
18:02.26cog|workall we need is an increment and a conditional branch
18:02.54Fiskerwork|cog
18:03.12cbreakit's not an argument for it's not-implementation
18:03.21alestaneThe other construct used to emulate continue is ppfor blah do repeat if skip then break end do(stuff) until true end]]
18:03.27cbreakit's a base argument that you have to counter with "but it would be nice for..."
18:04.08cog|workoh so you were just using it as the null hypothesis then :)
18:04.20cbreakyeah.
18:05.24cbreakthere are reasons against continue that are based in readability
18:05.38cbreakcontinues make the control flow less obvious
18:06.02cbreak(that also applies to return statements that are not at the end of a function thoug)
18:06.05Lunessabroccoli-cheese soup.  Don't think about what it looks like, just eat it's deliciousness.
18:06.20cog|workindeed
18:06.39alestanePeppy's friend posted an excellent recipe for soup made from beef, cheddar and Guinness.
18:06.49LunessaDO WANT
18:06.52cog|work^
18:07.03cbreakI can not imagine eating something like that
18:07.28alestanehttp://liamstliam.livejournal.com/639487.html
18:07.31cog|worki can. i have a very vivid food imagination and that makes me drool
18:07.32alestaneIt's excellent soup.
18:07.48LopeppeppyLiam is a food god sometimes.
18:12.53Lunessasounds delicious
18:14.10alestaneIt's pretty fabulous.
18:16.00Cide-cbreak: continue usually makes control flow MORE obvious imo
18:16.53zenzelezzcontinue > deep if()s
18:16.55Adyskd3: stop being afk :(
18:17.23Lunessa50 years later and we're still arguing over COBOL and FORTRAN's "DO" and "UNTIL" functions.
18:17.27Lunessa*sigh*
18:18.14Cide-lol
18:18.24Cide-in my experience repeat ... until is rarely useful
18:18.34alestaneIf I have anything nice to say about Visual Basic, it's separating pre-test and post-test loops from positive and negative condition loops.
18:18.39Adyshttp://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/595547777
18:19.14LunessaUsually not, but loops are still lops, and I see this discussion repeated over and over. :)  So I made a joke avout it.
18:19.19Cide-nice ninja redirect
18:19.28Cide-aye
18:19.36Cide-this seems like a good opportunity for...
18:19.48Cide-wtf
18:19.52Cide-translation party is down
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18:21.09Lunessanever fear, Underdog is here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyohtVRpVVo
18:23.02Lunessagets all 70s up in here.
18:28.23Shirikomfg Thunder_Child
18:28.25Shirikit arrived
18:28.28Shirikand it is a fuckin beast
18:28.46alestaneThat lens you rented?
18:28.56Shirikyes
18:30.58ShirikCide-: :(
18:31.28LopeppeppyWhat are you going to do with it?
18:33.03ShirikI'm going on vacation
18:33.06Shirikgoing to take some pictures
18:33.16ShirikI'm also going on a hot air balloon I'm debating whether or not I should take it up with me
18:33.27ShirikIt's either that lens or the 70-200 -- I can't bring my camera bag
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18:38.33Thunder_ChildShirik: which one did you rent?
18:38.58Shirikhttp://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=154&modelid=7468
18:38.59Thunder_Childthe 400?
18:39.51LunessaShirik: have you ever flown in a balloon before?
18:39.58Shiriknope!
18:40.02Shirikbut I know there's no space
18:40.16LunessaTake the lens - you'll regret not taking lots of pictures.
18:40.19Thunder_Childthe problem is the only way to get a pano is to do it parallel to the path of the baloon
18:40.56alestaneThere's plenty of space on a balloon...just most of it is outside.
18:41.11ShirikLunessa: It's not a question of taking the camera, it's a question of which lens to take
18:41.17ShirikI don't think I can carry both
18:41.26LunessaAsk the pilot.
18:41.28ShirikThunder_Child: Is that even possible?
18:41.34Thunder_Childto bad it wasnt the 400L
18:41.40Thunder_ChildShirik: yes, just hard
18:42.00Shirikthe 400 DO IS has comparable quality to the 400L actually (they didn't have the 400L unfortunately)
18:42.06ShirikI'm really curious to see how this DO technology stands up though
18:42.13Shiriksupposedly it's supposed to work wonders on chromatic abberations
18:42.52Shiriknot that you can't correct that post-processing
18:42.58Shirikbut you know how I feel about post-processing
18:43.14Thunder_Childindeed
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18:45.36Thunder_ChildShirik: dont forget to take enough to do http://photosynth.net/default.aspx
18:45.50Shirikoh god
18:46.00airtonixhttp://dvice.com/assets_c/2010/05/gundamfigure-thumb-550x676-38854.jpg
18:51.35LopeppeppyJust remember, you drop it, you buy it.
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18:58.06LunessaLopeppeppy: Am I buying the robot or the model?
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19:00.29LopeppeppyI was thinking of Shirik, if he dropped the lens.
19:00.53Shirikyes Lopeppeppy
19:01.06Shirikactually my insyance does
19:01.18Lopeppeppyinsurance is good stuff.
19:03.05LopeppeppyGet your Cataclysm Beta Opt Ins situated, people!  http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702406285&sid=1
19:03.13airtonixis it a virus ?
19:03.26LopeppeppyYes, big old blizzard forum virus.
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19:03.55airtonixis there a new star wars movie being made ?
19:04.09LopeppeppyYes, with cheese.
19:04.20airtonixstarCheese ?
19:04.25Cide-Shirik: why the sad face?
19:04.38cog|worki thought i heard there was a new star wars sitcom in production
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19:05.23ShirikCide-: Lack of translation party
19:05.45airtonixscifitv.com.au trailers section has a star wars entry
19:06.02airtonixbut it plays the book of eli trailer instead
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19:08.49Shirikoh wow
19:08.57ShirikI just looked up the lens case they shipped this thing in
19:09.01Shirikit's a $400 case
19:09.03Shirikhttp://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=lens+case+400b&cid=7541314321436424519&ei=OU7sS9a5M4OYwwWF9qmLCQ&sa=title&ved=0CAcQ8wIwADgA#p
19:09.11Cide-Shirik: ah
19:17.21LunessaShirik: They want the damned lens to survive, you know?
19:17.54Cide-surviving is good
19:18.04Cide-unless the object in question is a monster in diablo 3
19:18.09Cide-or my opponent in sc2
19:18.14Cide-or you
19:18.23alestaneIf a $400 case takes a crushing hit instead of an $8000 lens, good deal.
19:18.43Cide-agreed
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19:20.55airtonixhttp://cache-03.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/05/340x_mullinsrunning.jpg
19:21.57Fiskeri came Cide-
19:22.18FiskerPortal: Baywatch edition airtonix ?
19:22.43foxlithttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16700-BLPView.html
19:23.29Fiskerslaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout
19:23.56airtonixhttp://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/05/500x_bionic_arm.jpg
19:24.01foxlitThat approval process is totally going to be interesting.
19:24.33ShirikThunder_Child: Do you have any idea what this means? "The green band could easily be a red band" when referring to a lens
19:25.15Cide-foxlit: hm?
19:25.19Shiriknm figured it out
19:25.26Shirikapparently the color on the lens indicates its type
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19:26.01Lunessaplants overlords on Cide's eresource nodes.
19:26.14Cide-too bad I massed phoenixes
19:26.31Lunessaneeds more Vespene Gas!
19:26.31ShirikLunessa don't be a bitch :(
19:26.57Shirikthat really bothers me that zerg can do that
19:27.07ShirikI had someone just drop an overlord into my base and loil
19:27.08Shiriklol
19:27.10Cide-can do what?
19:27.13LunessaShirik: I get slaughtered so bad at SC:II all I can do is make jokes about it.
19:27.19Shirikthrow creep wherever the hell they feel like
19:27.22foxlitWhy would you even want to?
19:27.25Cide-oh
19:27.30Cide-just kill the overlord and it disappears
19:27.32Shirikfoxlit: Prevent people from building
19:27.38ShirikCide-: Takes time to disappear
19:27.39Shirikno?
19:27.43Cide-yeah, but not very long
19:27.44foxlitI can't imagine you not having AA to kill a stinking overlord
19:27.47airtonixLoil : Shirik Does It
19:27.58Shirikfoxlit: Still it can be annoying
19:28.06Cide-so can assimilators on gas >:)
19:28.11Shirikrofl
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19:28.19Shirikyes that's kinda a bitch move too
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19:28.22foxlitMeasured as annoyance / resources, it comes down pretty low.
19:28.24CidanYes, yes it is.
19:28.29Shirikhi Cidan!
19:28.34CidanHi Shirik, xD
19:28.47Lunessa"I get that, no one wants to put their money on the pony that's never won. "  LOL - good way to put it.
19:28.54foxlitAssimilators on gas == go mass tier 1 and wipe his base.
19:29.00Cide-eh
19:29.01Shirikno
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19:29.02Cide-it's just 75 resources
19:29.04Cide-potentially 150
19:29.08CidanSC2?
19:29.13Cide-yes
19:29.14Shirikfoxlit: Cide means put assimilators on enemy gas
19:29.17CidanFun.
19:29.21Cide-he knows that
19:29.25Shirikoh
19:29.27Cide-he's saying counter by massing mineral-only units
19:29.31Cide-and marching in
19:29.32Shirikew
19:29.42Cide-it works to an extent
19:29.51Cide-except sentries are pretty good to counter that
19:30.54Cide-brb
19:30.57CidanIf you're playing SC2, and you're making sentries, you're doing it wrong
19:31.05CidanThe instant you build a sentry, you lose
19:31.07Cide-lol
19:31.09Cide-hahaha
19:31.21Cide-good force fields turn so many fights around it's not even funny
19:31.56Cide-best play I've done recently was baiting an enemy force down their ramp, blinking up the ramp with a bunch of stalkers, and then locking their own force out
19:32.01Fiskersentries?
19:32.04Fiskerwtf are those?
19:32.08Cidanlittle units
19:32.13Cidanforce field makers, shield makers
19:32.15Cide-what is this troll you speak of?
19:32.18Cidanlol
19:32.25Fiskerah
19:32.30Fiskernever built a sentry :D
19:33.11Cide-wtf?
19:33.19cog|workhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riXp_Q-fDv8
19:33.22Cide-sentries are amazing in every aspect
19:33.30Cidanexcept in wining
19:33.32Cidanthere, not so much
19:33.41Cide-are you serious?
19:33.56Cidanwinning too
19:34.04Cide-are you serious?
19:34.14CidanNope, just kidding, haha.
19:34.17CidanYes.
19:34.20olafskineat cog|work
19:34.23Cide-I am so confused
19:35.56Cide-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_TIDLHzAkM
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19:36.02Cide-extremely example but win
19:36.12Cide-s/ly//
19:36.50Lunessacog|work: That's pretty cool.  I assume the surface is what they were developing?
19:36.51Cidanlol@20 minute game
19:36.52Cidanw/e
19:37.11Cidanis done trolling.
19:37.14cog|worki think so. i remember reading an article about some new nano coating based on lotus leaves
19:37.15CidanSo how is everyone?
19:37.40LopeppeppyHeya, Cidan.
19:37.48Cidanloooooooooopepepepepepeppepepepepepy
19:37.52Cidanhi
19:37.53CidanxD
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19:38.58Lunessawants nanobots for cleaning arterial blockages, repairing capillary walls, and repairing soft tissue damage.
19:39.26zenzelezzI had that in Anarchy Online
19:39.53Cide-mostly arterial blockages
19:40.08Cide-so that I can live on bacon and bacon only
19:41.02LunessaCide-: Then you'll also want the nanobots for rectal repair.
19:41.02Maldiviathen you probably need to train them to use fat cells as powe supply
19:42.18Shirikbacon is good for you
19:42.57airtonixdefecation is overrated
19:43.30LunessaShirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0zJSgHDnpw
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19:49.51Cide-Sony Pictures Animation has pre-emptively picked up rights to the Atari video game "Rollercoaster Tycoon," and is developing the project as a live-action/CGI hybrid.
19:50.16Alrami..
19:50.20Alram:|
19:51.04zenzelezzwait, what?
19:51.14zenzelezzRollercoaster Tycoon *movie*?
19:51.22Ackisanyone here familiar with ISO 31000 at all?
19:51.26Fiskerwat?
19:51.27Krapscheck out my hax rolls http://www.box.net/shared/6cy6n6l7c7
19:51.56Fiskeri was about to call you a liar Kraps
19:51.59cog|workwhat's next? SimCity the movie?
19:52.33Fiskerthat would be great
19:52.40LunessaNo,  Lemmings!
19:52.46alestane"Lets go!"
19:52.49zenzelezzMinesweeper: The Action Drama
19:52.54FiskerI think simcity could be a viable movie
19:52.57FiskerYou're god
19:52.59Fiskergo make some shit
19:53.08Lunessazenzelezz: that was called "The Hurt Locker"
19:53.30zenzelezznever watched it
19:54.26Krapszenzelezz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHY8NKj3RKs
19:55.10Fiskeranyone existing for the past years would know about that Kraps
19:55.40Krapshey Fisker
19:56.45AckisFisker: wanna make babies?
19:57.22Fiskerno
19:58.16Fiskerhey Ackis
19:58.41Ackissup Fisker
19:59.40Lunessawait... Ackis has been in here how long today and hasn't made a poop or dick joke yet?
19:59.49LopeppeppySHHHHH!
20:00.08LunessaI'm wondering if he's been replaced with an alien.
20:00.09AckisI've been popping in and out Lunessa, I've been on IRC all of an hour today :P about a half hour yesterday
20:01.23Ackisall you guys talk about is WoW and it has no more relevance to me :P keke
20:02.20Lunessa... we have talked SC:II, Serenity/Firefly, poetry, Wikipedo-ia, and camera lenses.  Hardly any WoW at all today.
20:03.04AckisLIES!
20:03.05Ackis(I haven't been around)
20:03.14AckisI stopped logging in all day when cata stuff was leaked
20:03.24Fiskeri've been popping in and out of your mom Ackis
20:03.29Fiskerbaboom
20:03.38Ackishot Fisker just hot
20:03.41Ackispics or it didn't happen
20:03.42Cidanah cata
20:03.47CidanI need to start playing again
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20:06.12Lopeppeppysign up for cata beta, go check the Cataclysm forum for info!
20:06.45CidanI need to reactivate my account first
20:06.49Cidanwhich, I might do this weekend
20:06.55Cidanstart becoming a weekend warrior
20:07.17CidanWell, weekend Paladin.
20:08.29haste~wowalert
20:08.29purlhttp://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert]
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20:11.53AckisPalliative care == you get put there to die in peace?
20:12.51Arrowmasteri just started up a game and saw a Lua copyright notice
20:13.06alestaneHardly surprising, Arrowmaster.
20:13.08hasteFisker: this is your fault!
20:13.23hasteFisker: you broke RC and SC2!
20:13.31krkais the game called "lua" and the first thing you see in the game a ">" ?
20:13.40Arrowmasterno
20:15.17LunessaAckis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palliative_care
20:17.57Fiskerold haste
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20:18.11AckisLunessa: I read that (before asking)... it seems that it's not just for people who are going to die, but I've also heard that it is, so I was hoping for someone w/ experience to enlighten me
20:18.36LunessaAckis: In the US we generally call what you asked Hospice.
20:19.23Ackisyeah that's a term I've never heard of (again it was on wikipedia), could just be my sheltered life
20:19.23cog|workit's basically making people as comfortable as possible as they're on their way out
20:19.29LunessaBut in general, palliative care is given to those for whom there is no cure and all you can do is give the respite from symptoms.
20:19.32DagmarOooo... new ASUS netbook model sports WiMax support
20:19.43DagmarLooks like it might be able to not suck at playing WoW too
20:20.36DagmarI may just call those <generic racist insult> who are dragging their feet on shipping that refurbed 1000 to just cancel it
20:21.04Ackisthere's no "eta on expiration" for hospice/palliative care then?
20:21.59LunessaAckis: Palliative care can be given for non terminal cases.   Bust hospice is only recommended for people who are going to die, no doubt aboutit.
20:22.10Ackisk
20:22.30Ackisneighbour has terminal cancer and was just moved to palliative care (hence my confusion)
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20:22.49LunessaOutside the US the two are often conflated.
20:23.01DagmarIf you're not about to die, you don't generally want to be surrounded by people who *are* going to snuff it soon
20:24.10LunessaWe're odd about death here.  Not that people aren't odd about it the world over, but yeah.
20:25.01LunessaAnd I've dealt with this stuff a lot in the last few years.
20:25.25Ackis~comfort Lunessa
20:25.26purlThere, there, Lunessa.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
20:25.33LunessaHaha.  Purl loves me.
20:26.11airtonixgogo gadget beard! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP3gUuMaA7Q
20:27.19LunessaSome times, Hospice care is given in the home.  Like for my Grandmother.  She wanted to die at home.  So she got care for pain and the stuff to keep her going as long as it took for her to die of natural causes.   And it was done in-home.  It was "palliative" or "hospice" care.  But palliative doesn't always mean terminal.
20:30.42Ackisjust remembered he works with nurses
20:30.45Ackisjust asked them
20:30.50Ackisit's different here
20:30.52Ackisdamn americans
20:30.52myrkraverkWhy are <TexCoords left="0" right="0.9453125" top="0" bottom="0.181640625"/> floating point numbers?
20:31.12LunessaUI scaling?
20:31.37zenzelezzit's just how it is
20:31.47myrkraverkThis is just a texture scaleing or something
20:32.06myrkraverkThis is from the TargetFrameFlash
20:33.24zenzelezzhttp://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexCoord
20:34.02zenzelezzI think it's done like that in graphic APIs usually, don't recall
20:34.09myrkraverkok, thank you
20:36.33myrkraverkactually, that link doesn't help much ;/
20:36.54myrkraverkbut I guess they want to sell the book
20:36.55zenzelezznot sure I understand what you're looking for then
20:37.14Cide-it means the image is cropped to 94% of the width (left-aligned), and 82% of the height (top-aligned)
20:38.22myrkraverkAh, ok.
20:39.57cog|workmakes it so you can change the size of the underlying images without changing the clipping everywhere
20:40.43myrkraverkI see (I think) ;-)
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21:19.36cbreakI wonder why blizzard patches the working copies of their servers
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21:37.48zenzelezzhttp://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/13/classics-now-with-favorite-buttons-72/
21:42.11NeoTronso is the cata beta still secret or how does that work? (if mmo-champ is any indiciation I guess it is)
21:42.53zenzelezzI'm pretty sure we'd hear about it when they made it public
21:43.32Maldiviawhne you see a post on blizzard forums that its "public knowledge", then, and not before, is it
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21:47.42Maldiviaand until then, it's "First rule about Fight Club"
21:47.59NeoTron<PROTECTED>
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21:51.37LunessaThe second rule of Fight Club is ... You do NOT TALK about Fight Club.
21:55.55NeoTronso as it turns out, by the way, Heroic BQL is harder without the 15% ICC buff, especially when you 25 man it
21:56.26NeoTronsomeone turned the buff off mid-princes attempts in our raid. we actually got that kill (server first without the buff - heh).
22:02.50Fiskerslaps NeoTron around a bit with a large trout
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22:05.23FiskerNeoTron can't stop me
22:07.20FiskerLunessa can't stop me
22:08.01LunessaFisker: I don't plan to stop you.  I'm waiting for you to jump of the cliff with the rope around your neck.
22:08.22Fiskerhow would that help?
22:08.38LunessaYou?  It wouldn't help.  Me?  I'll get a laugh.
22:08.53Fiskerno you
22:08.57Fiskerhow would it help you?
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22:09.27Fiskeryou don't specify a distance or whether or not the rope should be tethered to anything
22:09.38LunessaUm... kd3?  You guys changing the CSS for the wikki?
22:10.11Fiskerwhat's a wikki?
22:10.29LunessaIt's me not being able to type.
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22:14.48foxlitSomeone is presumably always changing something
22:15.10Fiskeri change you foxlit
22:15.14foxlitThankfully, they stay away from the old skin.
22:15.16Fiskeryou are now a bird
22:16.00LunessaI was just not expecting my search results to have a different style.
22:18.58foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.3.5/API_changes and stuff
22:20.36durcynfuck whoever named that CanCooperateWithToon function.  worst bullshit word ever.
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22:22.27Thunder_ChildPeanut butter cup of DOOM!
22:22.57Fisker 
22:23.12Krapswhat is it with this guy? http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dalaran&cn=Pakez
22:23.30Krapsit was easy to heal him but come on
22:24.08FiskerThunder_Child
22:24.18Thunder_ChildFisker
22:24.34foxlitKraps!
22:24.35Krapsbtw fisker
22:24.47Krapsyour argument is invalid
22:24.55Krapsfoxlit!
22:25.01foxlitbut come on what?
22:25.06Fiskerno Kraps
22:26.45KalrothFisker: this reminded me of you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NPdVpx5CgE
22:27.34Fiskeri will destroy you
22:34.10kd3Lunessa, did it randomly go white on you?
22:34.17kd3there's a serverside bug they're still trying to figure out
22:34.21LunessaYeah.  Only for search results.
22:34.42kd3ya. not our fault, that.
22:34.46kd3grrs at wikia again
22:34.52Lunessaya.  grrr.  grrr
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23:04.47Krapshttp://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24702206536/wow-should-be-free/
23:06.06Krapsyeah zarhym, thats what happend when you answer a troll
23:07.05durcynyou get to /kickban someone from the forums?  net gain, if you ask me.
23:07.11durcynone less 13 year old
23:07.22Adys[00:07:13] * #wowuidev :You're not channel operator
23:07.23Adysffs
23:07.26Adyshabits
23:09.20Adyskd3: still not here?
23:09.24Adysoh
23:09.25Adysyou are
23:09.38Adyswineserver -
23:09.42Adysops
23:09.43kd3I'm here
23:09.45kd3what's up?
23:09.54kd3WINEPREFIX=~/.wine/wow wineserver -k;ptr
23:09.58kd3bad that I have that macroed
23:10.07Adys~/.wine/wow
23:10.08Adysbad.
23:10.10Adys~/wow/ptr
23:10.20Adyskd3: are you sure its related to wldap32.dll?
23:10.35kd3yes. without that dll (on a clean prefix!) I cannot log in
23:10.47Adysclean prefix here too, i still cant login with the dll
23:11.07foxlitWhat's this, more zerg nerfs?
23:11.11foxlitAwesome.
23:11.22Jerubgood breakdown of dk fixing: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24702153222/dks-downtime-and-cataclysm/
23:12.10Adysill try building with capi/coreaudio support, i cant see what else would screw it up
23:12.55durcynwine does have --enable-ldap support, which i'd expect to have unintended consequences for sockets
23:13.24Adysdurcyn: i enabled it
23:18.04TrelaNorthrend = Cold.  Does that also equal bad idea to level as a frost mage?
23:18.14Fiskerbitchduck
23:18.19AdysTrela: no
23:18.27TrelaOkay.  :O
23:18.32Fiskerhey kd3
23:18.44AdysTrela: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/ding.jpg <- Frostmage
23:18.52Adys(yes I like shoving that screenshot in everyone's faces)
23:19.01Trela...Fuck.
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23:19.50Fiskerzomg first level 80
23:19.57kd3lol; did you copy over a level 79 to the ptr or something?
23:20.25Adyskd3: er thats my main :p
23:20.48kd3heh
23:23.10Krapshow does guild wars make money?
23:23.27Fiskergood night kd3
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23:27.48foxlitKraps: how did diablo 2?
23:28.36Arrowmasterd2 made money from people buying multiple copies of the game everytime they got banned or buying multiple copies to run multiple bots
23:28.58Arrowmasterfriend in highschool had 5 fucking computers running bots at once
23:29.13Krapsah so GW has no patchs persay?
23:29.24ArrowmasterGW has tons of patches
23:29.52Arrowmastertheir download system is just a lot different than most games
23:30.01foxlitGW is more heavily instanced, I think
23:30.12Arrowmastereverything is an instance in GW
23:30.17foxlitSo their server upkeep is probably smaller. But other than that, I think they also release expansions faster.
23:30.20Arrowmastereven the cities
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23:34.20Krapsthats it?
23:35.33Krapsdo they sell stuff online?
23:35.55Krapsingame items
23:42.03foxlitKraps: https://secure.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/Store.pl?dnv=7071487116&action=toggleCategory&category=4
23:43.14Adyskd3: def cant login
23:44.43Adyshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAXm0dIuyug btw
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23:52.47Krapsoh wow fox
23:52.52Krapslit
23:52.56Mr_Rabiesi'm surprised quest levels aren't implemented with all the quest log changes
23:53.03Mr_Rabiessince tbc
23:54.38Krapswow wouldnt be so successful if it followed that model i think
23:56.45WobWorkhttp://i.imgur.com/EFOH6.jpg
23:56.48Krapsand theres no jumping in GW :(
23:56.56WobWorkthere is now!
23:56.58WobWorkisn't there?
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23:57.16Krapsyeah?!
23:57.37Krapsi triel the trial, it looked nice
23:57.37WobWorkI thought I heard they added it recently
23:57.54Fiskerhey WobWork
23:58.03WobWorkhey Fisker
23:58.06Fiskernaw
23:59.18NechcknGW == GateWorld?
23:59.28WobWorkKraps: aha
23:59.31WobWorkKraps: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_2
23:59.34WobWorkGW -2-!
23:59.36NechcknOhhhhh
23:59.41Nechckngotcha!
23:59.48Nechckneven has that! =)
23:59.51Krapsthat looks so hot

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