IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100510

`00:00.48`	`WobWork`	`Anyway, my camera knowledge/focus is enough to get me in trouble, but not enough to spend on new equipment. At least until I start consistantly taking better photos.`
`00:01.37`	`Shirik`	`heh`
`00:01.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`the problem is the 2 things i want are ultra-low light and very high speed`
`00:01.50`	`Shirik`	`Ok`
`00:01.53`	`Shirik`	`get an f/0.2 lens`
`00:02.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`i mean like 1,000fps`
`00:02.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`slippery slope, WobWork. To take better photos you need the gearz!`
`00:02.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`like the exilim stuff`
`00:03.09`	`*** join/#wowuidev Cide (~cide@c213-100-51-33.swipnet.se)`
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`00:05.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`i wish they had something like dpreview for vid cameras`
`00:06.57`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Question about secure code:`
`00:07.08`	`PfhorSlayer`	`If I have a button that inherits from the secure action button template`
`00:07.20`	`PfhorSlayer`	`can I have it execute lua code that calls secure functions?`
`00:07.28`	`PfhorSlayer`	`(Like, changing my focus target or something?)`
`00:08.07`	`Lunessa`	`No.`
`00:08.28`	`Lunessa`	`Wait, just reread your question.`
`00:08.36`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Even if I'm out of combat?`
`00:09.05`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child`
`00:09.07`	`Shirik`	`1000fps`
`00:09.10`	`Shirik`	`is that really necessary`
`00:09.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik: yes`
`00:09.22`	`Shirik`	`what are you trying to do capture a bubble popping?`
`00:09.27`	`Lunessa`	`Secure Action buttons can do things. but they're limited in scope. Out of combat you can do pretty much anything.`
`00:09.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`among other things, sure, why not`
`00:09.45`	`Kraps`	`http://store.steampowered.com/app/50100/`
`00:09.50`	`Fisker`	`slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout`
`00:09.51`	`Lunessa`	`However, you still can't cast a spell or pick a target without using secure actions.`
`00:09.56`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I'm wanting to be able to have a button run a script that will automatically choose an appropriate focus target for me`
`00:10.08`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I do not mind at all if it can only be done out of combat`
`00:10.23`	`Lunessa`	`That you can do.`
`00:10.28`	`Lunessa`	`Out of Combat.`
`00:10.46`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I'm just wondering at what point the execution path becomes tainted when running lua code from a secure button`
`00:11.39`	`Lunessa`	`Taiting happens anytime you touch any variable.`
`00:11.55`	`Lunessa`	`Taint outside of combat is USUALLY harmless.`
`00:12.09`	`Lunessa`	`I should say "any Blizzard variable"`
`00:12.20`	`PfhorSlayer`	`does the entire code path get tainted once a tainted variable is examined?`
`00:12.30`	`PfhorSlayer`	`or does it actually only taint the path that uses that particular variable?`
`00:12.35`	`*** join/#wowuidev Kenthree (~Admin@201.237.76.34)`
`00:12.36`	`Lunessa`	`It means, "non-blizzard code did something here."`
`00:13.14`	`PfhorSlayer`	`right, but say I've got a function that does two things, one of which taints the execution path and the second of which does not`
`00:13.24`	`PfhorSlayer`	`if I run the first one first, will the second one now be tainted?`
`00:13.30`	`Kenthree`	`hey folks, where should I start? all i've found are random old articles on wowwiki`
`00:13.36`	`Lunessa`	`There are ways to get data you need without doing harm, but if you modify or change a value that Blizzard code uses it is tainted from that point forward.`
`00:13.41`	`PfhorSlayer`	`or does the taint get popped off like a stack as the called functions return?`
`00:15.04`	`Lunessa`	`Once you taint something, it stays tainted until you reload or exit.`
`00:15.07`	`Arrowmaster`	`PfhorSlayer: your code is always tainted`
`00:15.17`	`Lunessa`	`And your code is ALWAYS insecure.`
`00:15.29`	`Lunessa`	`Only blizzard's code is secure.`
`00:16.06`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I thought the whole point of the secure action button template was to allow you to have "secure" code that could call secure code?`
`00:16.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`not really`
`00:16.30`	`Lunessa`	`It's to allow you to have buttons that can respond to secure states.`
`00:17.36`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Well, FocusUnit() is a secure function, but you implied that what I was trying to do (programmatically focus a unit while out of combat) was doable`
`00:17.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`you never get the ability to run a protected function, just ways to do something similar to it`
`00:18.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`if you cant call FocusUnit() out of combat without using secure templates then you wont be able to do it at all even with secure templates`
`00:18.26`	`Lunessa`	`Right.`
`00:18.50`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I see.`
`00:19.03`	`PfhorSlayer`	`So in that case, it's not possible ever to programmatically change my focus target?`
`00:19.12`	`*** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-66-30-209-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
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`00:19.33`	`p3lim^`	`anyone here on an EU account that can do me a quick favor?`
`00:19.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`you could make a button that has a PreClick handler though that decides who to focus and changes the button attributes to make the button focus that unit`
`00:19.40`	`PfhorSlayer`	`(as, when sitting in a city, running FocusUnit("pet"); throws a security error)`
`00:20.00`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Oh?`
`00:20.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`but that only works out of combat and requires the user to click the button`
`00:20.12`	`PfhorSlayer`	`That's what I was wanting anyway :)`
`00:20.55`	`p3lim^`	`Noone?`
`00:21.11`	`PfhorSlayer`	`So I'd still be using a secure button (as it has the ability to hook up the attributes so it does secure things like changing my focus target), but I'd add a pre-click handler that will change the attributes to cause it to focus the target that I'd determine was best`
`00:21.26`	`Arrowmaster`	`right, thats a bit different than 'programmatically changing focus target' since it requires a button click or keypress, a lot of people want to know how to do thinks automatically which isnt possible at all`
`00:21.29`	`PfhorSlayer`	`and the pre-click handler's code security is a non-issue?`
`00:21.47`	`Lunessa`	`Sorry P3, only have US accounts.`
`00:21.50`	`PfhorSlayer`	`(that is, the SABT allows one to change its attributes in unsecured code?)`
`00:22.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`PfhorSlayer: you can change the attributes only out of combat`
`00:22.24`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I understand the inability to automatically do things (and the reasoning behind it)`
`00:22.35`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Right`
`00:22.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`but yes your unsecured code can change the attributes fine`
`00:23.03`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I was just a bit confused as to how one can do "secure" things in response to running lua code`
`00:23.13`	`PfhorSlayer`	`But I think I've got it now, thank you guys :)`
`00:23.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`again i would answer that question with 'you cant' since you cant 'in response to running lua code'`
`00:23.53`	`alestane`	`Attribute changes are secure (secured code cannot be contaminated by retrieving an attribute). But on protected frames like SABs, the attributes can only be changed by insecure code outside of combat.`
`00:24.13`	`Lunessa`	`^^ He's the man.`
`00:24.31`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Right`
`00:24.42`	`PfhorSlayer`	`So my unsecure lua code would be determining the appropriate focus target`
`00:24.50`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah i think alestane wrote part of the secure template stuff`
`00:25.01`	`PfhorSlayer`	`and changing the attribute of the SAB`
`00:25.12`	`PfhorSlayer`	`so that when the click happens, it focuses the correct target`
`00:25.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`PfhorSlayer: right`
`00:26.13`	`PfhorSlayer`	`And I can do things like enabling/disabling SABs while in combat or in response to going into combat, right?`
`00:26.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`you cant enable/disable while in combat`
`00:26.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`but you can do it in response to going in or out of combat`
`00:26.57`	`PfhorSlayer`	`There's an event that's sent before I am actually IN combat though, no?`
`00:27.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED`
`00:27.32`	`Iriel`	`And its _ENABLED partner for the other direction`
`00:28.14`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Perfect`
`00:28.16`	`Arrowmaster`	`all this can be done using just normal code and the templates and their attributes, you dont have to dive into the sandbox stuff`
`00:28.45`	`PfhorSlayer`	`you can change focus without using a SAB?`
`00:28.51`	`Iriel`	`Arrowmaster makes a good point, if you dont need your thing to have any in-combat variability, just regular lua is your friend.`
`00:29.12`	`Iriel`	`YOu need a SAB, but not secure template code`
`00:29.23`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`00:29.44`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Sorry, I don't understand - secure template code?`
`00:30.41`	`Iriel`	`[Sorry, I joined the conversation late, i'm not sure if youd all been discussing using the secure handlers and their templates to do stuff in combat)`
`00:30.51`	`PfhorSlayer`	`No, we hadn't :)`
`00:31.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`Iriel: no just attributes and PreClick`
`00:31.24`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I take it you can make some of your code secure using secure templates or something?`
`00:31.44`	`Iriel`	`Yes, under some restrictions`
`00:31.52`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Makes sense`
`00:31.58`	`PfhorSlayer`	`What are the restrictions?`
`00:32.02`	`Fisker`	`oh hell naw Iriel`
`00:32.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`you cant really do much with it`
`00:32.17`	`Iriel`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11162847431&sid=1`
`00:32.23`	`Antiarc`	`WoW textures just have to be a power of 2 on each side, max 512, right?`
`00:32.25`	`Iriel`	`Arrowmaster: You can do TONS with it!`
`00:32.28`	`Antiarc`	`So would a 512x16 texture work?`
`00:32.28`	`Iriel`	`Antiarc: right`
`00:32.32`	`Iriel`	`It should`
`00:32.39`	`Antiarc`	`Great. Gonna give this a shot, then.`
`00:32.44`	`Iriel`	`There's a minumum size too`
`00:32.45`	`Antiarc`	`Trying to do arbitrary line drawing :)`
`00:32.53`	`Iriel`	`I did that already, didn't I?`
`00:32.57`	`Antiarc`	`Did you?`
`00:33.05`	`Antiarc`	`I know I can use a matrix transform with settexcoord`
`00:33.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`Iriel: well i mean the available functions are limited and its not like you can directly call CastSpell() or FocusUnit()`
`00:33.15`	`Antiarc`	`Didn't realize someone had already solved it for me though`
`00:33.25`	`Fisker`	`hey Antiarc`
`00:33.27`	`WobWork`	`Iriel has solved all the issues out there =P`
`00:33.34`	`Fisker`	`hey WobWork`
`00:33.35`	`WobWork`	`he's just waiting for us to catch up`
`00:33.37`	`Antiarc`	`hey Fisker`
`00:33.40`	`WobWork`	`hey Fisker`
`00:33.46`	`Iriel`	`Look at DrawRouteLine in TaxiFrame.lua`
`00:33.46`	`Antiarc`	`Iriel: Have a link to some code I could steal?`
`00:33.49`	`Antiarc`	`Great.`
`00:34.03`	`Iriel`	`It's used to draw the FP lines whenyou get on a bird`
`00:34.08`	`Antiarc`	`Oh, that's not hard at all.`
`00:34.16`	`Antiarc`	`Thanks much!`
`00:34.37`	`Iriel`	`It can be improved with a bit of effort if you're really concerned about constant width over ALL sizes, and more elegant endpoints`
`00:34.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`if my wow account was still active i might try to fix up http://www.wowace.com/addons/bindvehicle/ since it was my only venture into the restricted environment and i dont think anybody has even attempted something similar`
`00:34.41`	`WobWork`	`Antiarc: you're totally going to embed AVR functionality into the hudmap, aren't you? =)`
`00:34.47`	`Antiarc`	`WobWork: Already done it.`
`00:34.53`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUpogpnGjiM&fmt=21`
`00:35.07`	`Antiarc`	`I'm working on homing to another player now, for fights like Blood Queen`
`00:35.49`	`WobWork`	`you should add in a noise, like a metal detector`
`00:35.53`	`Antiarc`	`Haha`
`00:35.56`	`Antiarc`	`That'd be doable.`
`00:36.05`	`Antiarc`	`It's very trivial to wire it up for specific encounters. Just give it the CLEU event and the spell ID you want, the framework takes care of the rest`
`00:36.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Boop-booop-boop-boooooooooop!`
`00:36.32`	`Antiarc`	`I should get this into a repo, actually.`
`00:36.40`	`WobWork`	`I like the use of the HUD for that.`
`00:36.53`	`WobWork`	`It actually utilises the whole -point- of a HUD`
`00:39.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`Antiarc: does your little cooldown spinner thingy start and stop a bit to the right instead of centered?`
`00:40.04`	`Antiarc`	`Arrowmaster: The timer starts at 12 o'clock, but there's a brief fade-in animation`
`00:40.14`	`Fisker`	`what addon is that Antiarc ?`
`00:40.16`	`Fisker`	`oh`
`00:40.18`	`Fisker`	`not on repo yet`
`00:40.25`	`Fisker`	`you're so getting it nerfed eventually`
`00:40.28`	`Antiarc`	`It just keeps going past 12 o'clock, because there's a fade-out animation, and the rotate animation loops`
`00:41.00`	`Antiarc`	`Just tossed it into a repo`
`00:41.01`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.wowace.com/addons/hudmap/`
`00:41.05`	`Antiarc`	`Feel free to grab and play with it if you want`
`00:41.12`	`Antiarc`	`It's usable now, just needs some more functionality and polish.`
`00:42.08`	`tem`	`I need to get a guild bank going on Garona.`
`00:42.19`	`tem`	`Would anyone mind creating a human to sign my charter?`
`00:42.22`	`Antiarc`	`I'll sign a charter for you if you want, what faction?`
`00:42.24`	`Antiarc`	`k`
`00:42.42`	`tem`	`I'm in northshire already`
`00:42.50`	`Antiarc`	`zoning in`
`00:43.54`	`Antiarc`	`tem: name?`
`00:44.08`	`tem`	`thanks!`
`00:44.12`	`tem`	`I'm the gnome`
`00:44.34`	`Antiarc`	`1391g, huh?`
`00:44.59`	`tem`	`hmm?`
`00:45.06`	`tem`	`I only have like 4k on garona`
`00:45.08`	`Antiarc`	`your funds on that character`
`00:45.10`	`tem`	`which worries me`
`00:45.16`	`tem`	`248`
`00:45.21`	`Antiarc`	`my addon lies!`
`00:45.31`	`tem`	`how would your addon know in the first place?`
`00:45.36`	`Antiarc`	`achievement data`
`00:45.48`	`Antiarc`	`At one point the "max gold" stat was "max gold this session" due to a bug`
`00:45.54`	`Antiarc`	`So you could use that to see how much money someone had`
`00:45.59`	`tem`	`oh lol`
`00:46.30`	`Iriel`	`tem: dont run away`
`00:47.06`	`tem`	`what's your name, Iriel? I don't see you`
`00:47.28`	`tem`	`that you?`
`00:47.34`	`tem`	`"Tempoready"`
`00:47.37`	`Iriel`	`Note "The gnome" isn't sufficiently specific if there's more than one gnome in the area`
`00:47.49`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Is there a way to get detailed statistics about each player in a raid/party?`
`00:47.51`	`Iriel`	`Yeah, I try and start my 'help tem make a guild' alts with 'Tem'`
`00:47.56`	`*** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (~Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net)`
`00:48.09`	`Antiarc`	`PfhorSlayer: What kind of stats?`
`00:48.13`	`tem`	`I actually can't see who is what on this toon since he's wearing the EVERYONE IS A GNOME goggles`
`00:48.18`	`Iriel`	`I can leave now, right?`
`00:48.22`	`tem`	`so I assumed I'd be the only gnome in the area`
`00:48.26`	`tem`	`yes, thanks again`
`00:48.27`	`PfhorSlayer`	`armor, defense, stamina, etc`
`00:48.44`	`Iriel`	`tem: You weren't 8-)`
`00:48.47`	`Antiarc`	`Not via the API, you can compute it via armor, talents, and buffs`
`00:48.53`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Or am I going to have to calculate all that shit myself?`
`00:48.55`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Gah.`
`00:48.57`	`Antiarc`	`Yup`
`00:49.04`	`Antiarc`	`Or just get everyone to run an addon that reports it`
`00:49.08`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Lovely.`
`00:49.11`	`tem`	`you could get them to run an addon that tells you`
`00:49.20`	`Antiarc`	`I wrote Threat-1.0 and Threat-2.0, you get no sympathy points :P`
`00:49.29`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Nah, I'll figure out the formulas`
`00:49.30`	`Cide`	`the real question is why you need it in the first place`
`00:49.41`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I don't need it to be super accurate`
`00:49.41`	`Antiarc`	`pug checks I presume`
`00:49.47`	`PfhorSlayer`	`just a convenience for me`
`00:50.07`	`tem`	`well`
`00:50.10`	`PfhorSlayer`	`no, I like to keep the main tank focused in raids`
`00:50.23`	`tem`	`the trouble is that you're going to have to scan all the gear they are wearing`
`00:50.25`	`Cide`	`this gives me a bad feeling`
`00:50.27`	`Cide`	`continue`
`00:50.27`	`PfhorSlayer`	`so I'm writing a addon that will just automatically figure out who the best tank is and focus them :P`
`00:50.33`	`Fisker`	`Cide`
`00:50.37`	`Fisker`	`i have no choice but to hate you`
`00:50.40`	`Cide`	`why focus the best tank?`
`00:50.45`	`Cide`	`and why is the best tank the one with the highest stats?`
`00:50.47`	`Cide`	`(it's not)`
`00:50.48`	`Antiarc`	`^`
`00:50.48`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: help. warrior rotation at 60+ has more buttons than i have GCDs during an average fight. which buttons do i hit?`
`00:51.00`	`Cide`	`Fisker: this is news how?`
`00:51.59`	`tem`	`ew PfhorSlayer`
`00:52.03`	`tem`	`it doesn't work like that`
`00:52.06`	`Iriel`	`Why wouldn't you focus the tank the raid master tells you to help?`
`00:52.22`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Because shitty pugs typically don't know what they're doing :P`
`00:52.32`	`Antiarc`	`Turn on ToT, target boss, win :P`
`00:52.54`	`Fisker`	`i will find out Cide`
`00:52.57`	`tem`	`focusing the "best" tank by whatever bizarre standard you come up with isn't going to make it any better`
`00:52.59`	`Cide`	`or use a raid unit frames addon`
`00:53.10`	`Cide`	`and you know, target whoever needs assistance`
`00:53.30`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Just doing this to familiarize myself with the APIs, really`
`00:53.39`	`Antiarc`	`That's a brutal first project`
`00:53.42`	`Iriel`	`'Who has aggro' and 'Who SHOULD have aggro' are possibly different answers Antiarc 8-)`
`00:53.48`	`Antiarc`	`Gear scanning is prone to headache-inducing rage conditions`
`00:53.57`	`Jerub`	`i want a counter of how many mobs have agro on people`
`00:54.06`	`Antiarc`	`Iriel: Sure, but if you don't have aggro you probably don't need a tank healer on you! :P`
`00:54.07`	`Jerub`	`and maybe two counters. 1 for elites, 1 for non-elites.`
`00:54.09`	`tem`	`Antiarc, and it's way better now than it was before too`
`00:54.18`	`Jerub`	`doens't want to have to turn around for 1 non-elite on the mage.`
`00:54.26`	`Antiarc`	`Jerub: The first part of that could be approximated with some combat log parsing`
`00:54.39`	`Antiarc`	`Jerub: If you're speaking as a tank, have you tried TidyPlates with ThreatPlates?`
`00:54.45`	`Antiarc`	`Absolute game-changer for tanking.`
`00:54.55`	`tem`	`agreed`
`00:55.12`	`tem`	`I will not enjoy tanking without ThreatPlates`
`00:55.15`	`PfhorSlayer`	`hmm`
`00:55.17`	`PfhorSlayer`	`okay :)`
`00:55.36`	`Antiarc`	`ThreatPlates is a "Can't effectively tank without it" addon for me.`
`00:55.43`	`Antiarc`	`I mean, I could, but I would hate doing it :P`
`00:55.44`	`Jerub`	`never heard of it.`
`00:55.48`	`Jerub`	`i just use grid and threat auras.`
`00:55.51`	`Antiarc`	`Go get it, you will love it.`
`00:55.54`	`Jerub`	`(level 66 tank just now)`
`00:56.06`	`Antiarc`	`It's is the core`
`00:56.08`	`Jerub`	`also, oh god it took an entire instance to get two bars of (non-rested) xp last night`
`00:56.16`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13674-TidyPlates.html`
`00:56.19`	`Antiarc`	`Core, sorry.`
`00:56.21`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13674-TidyPlates.html`
`00:56.24`	`Antiarc`	`GAH`
`00:56.26`	`Shadowed`	`haha`
`00:56.27`	`Shadowed`	`fail`
`00:56.28`	`Antiarc`	`Why do I fail at copy-paste today?`
`00:56.30`	`Antiarc`	`http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/tidy-plates-threat-plates.aspx`
`00:56.38`	`Antiarc`	`Is threat plates, which is a bolt-on for tidyplates.`
`00:57.43`	`Fisker`	`Bah! You are hardly worth my time Shadowed`
`00:58.10`	`Cide`	`Very low memory footprint!`
`00:58.15`	`Cide`	`YES! finally!`
`00:58.22`	`Cide`	`has this stupid trend not stopped yet?`
`00:58.27`	`Shadowed`	`of course not`
`00:58.35`	`Shadowed`	`It's gotten worst if anything`
`00:58.35`	`Antiarc`	`Cide: People buy "low fat" sodas.`
`00:58.39`	`Antiarc`	`Same concept :P`
`00:58.42`	`Cide`	`nope`
`00:58.50`	`Cide`	`fat makes you fat`
`00:58.56`	`Antiarc`	`Calories make you fat`
`00:58.58`	`Antiarc`	`Fat doesn't make you fat`
`00:59.01`	`Cide`	`fat contains calories`
`00:59.10`	`Cide`	`fat contains energy, rather`
`00:59.10`	`Fisker`	`Cide why is it stupid?`
`00:59.22`	`Cide`	`I'll bite`
`00:59.23`	`Antiarc`	`It's harder to metabolize though :P`
`00:59.36`	`Cide`	`don't really see the point :P`
`00:59.44`	`Antiarc`	`Memory doesn't have anything to do with frame-by-frame performance. Memory churn does, but that's not the same thing.`
`00:59.47`	`Antiarc`	`(@Fisker)`
`01:00.08`	`Antiarc`	`Cide: Point being that "low fat (but 90000 calories)" is the same as "low memory (but CHECK OUT MY PHAT CPU USAGE)"`
`01:00.15`	`Shadowed`	`Bad Antiarc don't feed the trolls`
`01:00.15`	`Cide`	`well yeah`
`01:00.22`	`Fisker`	`how is it trolling?`
`01:00.30`	`Antiarc`	`I just assumed Fisker was dumb, that usually works`
`01:00.31`	`Antiarc`	`:P`
`01:00.39`	`Fisker`	`The more memory it uses, the easier it hits the memory ceiling`
`01:00.39`	`Cide`	`but people also buy diet sodas`
`01:00.43`	`Cide`	`and they contain like no calories at all`
`01:00.43`	`Fisker`	`I'm already at that point`
`01:00.43`	`tem`	`Shadowed, do me a huge favor, please`
`01:00.45`	`Shadowed`	`Who can say, it's a fine line between dumb and trolling`
`01:00.48`	`Fisker`	`That makes the game crash`
`01:00.54`	`Fisker`	`So game crashes are nice now?`
`01:01.09`	`Cide`	`anyway`
`01:01.13`	`Shadowed`	`tem ?`
`01:01.20`	`Cide`	`I hate ace for bringing all that crap up`
`01:01.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Game crashes are awesome.`
`01:01.22`	`Cide`	`truly`
`01:01.22`	`Fisker`	`moving right along now that you've been owned? ;3`
`01:01.26`	`tem`	`Shadowed, make a human on garona and sign my guild charter`
`01:01.36`	`Shadowed`	`second`
`01:01.47`	`tem`	`Cide, at the time, I don't think there was anything wrong with it`
`01:01.52`	`Antiarc`	`Cide: Eh, there was legitimately a point where low memory usage was a feature, and the average plebe doesn't detangle memory footprint and garbage footprint.`
`01:02.05`	`Cide`	`it wasn't a feature that had to be advertised`
`01:02.12`	`Shadowed`	`not really Antiarc`
`01:02.15`	`Shadowed`	`that was in like`
`01:02.16`	`Shadowed`	`1.0`
`01:02.33`	`Cide`	`pretty sure memory usage has never been a problem`
`01:02.34`	`Shadowed`	`I think they removed the set memory cap with 2.0?`
`01:02.49`	`Antiarc`	`I think it was more of a way of communicating "this addon doesn't sling garbage tables around", but I fully agree that it's not really a great way of communicating it.`
`01:02.56`	`Fisker`	`hopes Shadowed, Antiarc and Cide enjoys playing with disappearing UI and/or crashes :(`
`01:02.57`	`Cide`	`of course, some really poor addons had a MASSIVE memory usage that caused issues`
`01:03.08`	`Shadowed`	`no it's not :p`
`01:03.11`	`Shadowed`	`and you know it`
`01:03.22`	`Antiarc`	`Before we got the incremental GC, anything that caused excess garbage was a death sentence to your UI`
`01:03.25`	`Cide`	`Antiarc: that doesn't need to be communicated either`
`01:03.28`	`Shadowed`	`The people who advertise low memory do it cause they mean static memory and have no idea what they are talking about`
`01:03.39`	`Antiarc`	`meh, you're probably right`
`01:03.44`	`Cide`	`yep :)`
`01:03.52`	`Shadowed`	`If you would like I can find you about 50 addons with screenshots of their static memory :P`
`01:03.55`	`Cide`	`think of it this way`
`01:03.59`	`Cide`	`there were a few bandits`
`01:04.10`	`Cide`	`but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to go around touting "I'M LAW ABIDING"`
`01:04.13`	`Cide`	`because it's nothing special`
`01:04.16`	`Cide`	`and it's unimportant`
`01:04.32`	`Shadowed`	`tem where are you`
`01:04.39`	`tem`	`human start place`
`01:04.48`	`Antiarc`	`I disagree; people swap out addons for "lighter alternatives" all the time. It's a feature they shop for, so advertising as "light" can get users, even if you misunderstand your addon's footprint.`
`01:04.52`	`Shadowed`	`nice name`
`01:04.56`	`Cide`	`of course they do`
`01:05.00`	`Antiarc`	`Not saying that to justify it, but the playerbase does correlate "light" to "good".`
`01:05.04`	`Cide`	`they swap it out because of the false myth ace has created`
`01:05.14`	`Cide`	`that's exactly what I'm saying :P`
`01:05.19`	`tem`	`Shadowed, if I were less lazy, I'd have looked up Morgan Stanley's executive's names`
`01:05.25`	`Shadowed`	`hah`
`01:05.34`	`tem`	`and made everyone's throwaway toon a play on those names`
`01:05.36`	`Antiarc`	`Heh, I won't argue the origins of the trend. You're probably right about that.`
`01:05.55`	`Cide`	`I'm not hating ace here`
`01:05.59`	`Cide`	`just the myth it created`
`01:06.01`	`Antiarc`	`Nah, I hear you`
`01:06.02`	`Shadowed`	`The issue is that Ace started a myth that lower memory is good, eventually it hit the point where new authors were coding to try and reduce their memory usage as much as possible since they saw addons advertising themselves as light due to libraries/memory`
`01:06.15`	`Shadowed`	`Which essentially caused everyone to think that lower memory = better performance`
`01:06.29`	`Shadowed`	`haste is also to blame for that`
`01:06.29`	`Antiarc`	`Lower memory -may- be good because it -may- indicate a better-written addon. The problem is that people worship memory usage as the god-metric`
`01:06.32`	`Antiarc`	`Which is dumb.`
`01:06.34`	`Shadowed`	`Well`
`01:06.49`	`Shadowed`	`What it mostly caused is people started to make addons that had no configuration and were just Lua configured as a way of reducing memory`
`01:07.01`	`Shadowed`	`so they could then go and advertise the addon is lightweight`
`01:07.08`	`Antiarc`	`screw that, I want it convenient :P`
`01:07.11`	`Shadowed`	`right`
`01:07.14`	`tem`	`~emulate saien`
`01:07.14`	`purl`	`This is a stunningly stupid question to direct at me.`
`01:07.18`	`tem`	`giggles`
`01:07.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I want it with blueberry sauce`
`01:07.22`	`Cide`	`saien was awesome`
`01:07.28`	`Shadowed`	`But when you look at "light" addons, that's the trend that got created`
`01:07.34`	`Fisker`	`so guys`
`01:07.39`	`Shadowed`	`People started to skip the GUI configurations so they could claim they were the fastest`
`01:07.39`	`Cide`	`fuck light addons honestly`
`01:07.49`	`Fisker`	`you enjoying your low framerates and disappearing ui/models/etc.?`
`01:08.00`	`Cide`	`I have no idea what you're talking about`
`01:08.03`	`Cide`	`my graphics card beats yours`
`01:08.04`	`Shadowed`	`just ignore him`
`01:08.12`	`Antiarc`	`Sacrificing usability for epeen metrics is retarded >:\|`
`01:08.12`	`Shadowed`	`It's like how people claim that oUF performs the best, because it has no configuration so it ends up with the lowest memory footprint`
`01:08.16`	`Shadowed`	`indeed`
`01:08.21`	`Antiarc`	`I can write a better ui mod than you, shadowed`
`01:08.28`	`Antiarc`	`It doesn't actually do anything, but BY DAMN IT IS THE FASTEST`
`01:08.28`	`Fisker`	`Cide`
`01:08.28`	`Shadowed`	`You're too lazy to try`
`01:08.34`	`Antiarc`	`No, I just wrote it`
`01:08.35`	`Mr_Rabies`	`dear #wowuidev help me oh no`
`01:08.38`	`Antiarc`	`You dont' even have to install it`
`01:08.40`	`Antiarc`	`It's that lightweight`
`01:08.41`	`Fisker`	`Because of the memory ceiling your game will start to lose ui, and drop in framerate`
`01:08.43`	`Mr_Rabies`	`i just got a scroll of resurrection`
`01:08.52`	`Mr_Rabies`	`i'm going to fire up wow for the first time in over 2 years`
`01:08.53`	`Mr_Rabies`	`hold me`
`01:08.55`	`Cide`	`Fisker: what?`
`01:08.57`	`WobWork`	`holds Mr_Rabies`
`01:08.58`	`ZorbaTHut`	`jerub, still need warrior help?`
`01:09.03`	`Fisker`	`you heard me Cide`
`01:09.09`	`Cide`	`yes, but I didn't understand you`
`01:09.15`	`Cide`	`there's a difference`
`01:09.22`	`Fisker`	`Well consider memory as a tub`
`01:09.26`	`Antiarc`	`Mr_Rabies: Press paladin button, receive epix`
`01:09.27`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: yes.`
`01:09.35`	`Mr_Rabies`	`i wonder what my inventory will look like`
`01:09.36`	`Fisker`	`I throw water in and at some point (2GB) this tub starts to overflow`
`01:09.37`	`Yachi`	`bad trolling is best trolling`
`01:09.43`	`Mr_Rabies`	`i've got horses and stuff thrown all over the place`
`01:09.46`	`Fisker`	`Do you understand now Cide ?`
`01:09.49`	`Cide`	`yes`
`01:09.50`	`tem`	`trolling is a art.`
`01:09.55`	`Antiarc`	`Fisker: Nah, if you overflow your memory they all take negative memory`
`01:09.58`	`Antiarc`	`So it's actually better for you`
`01:10.01`	`ZorbaTHut`	`jerub, http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php?56293-tankspots-protection-warrior-guide - summary, "Our primary threat abilities, in order of priority, are: Shield Slam, Revenge, Concussion Blow, Shockwave, and Devastate"`
`01:10.02`	`Mr_Rabies`	`will it auto compress to the mount bag thing or whatever, who knowwwwws`
`01:10.10`	`WobWork`	`You need a memory overflow bucket`
`01:10.13`	`WobWork`	`under your computer`
`01:10.16`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: i don't know which of my 3 stuns to use, my three debuffs, one buff, my dot, and then all the other buttons i hit to do damage.`
`01:10.29`	`ZorbaTHut`	`that's for tanking single targets`
`01:10.29`	`Cide`	`fortunately I have a backup tub, in which the tub sits, on the size of 1.5 TB`
`01:10.36`	`Jerub`	`shockwave on single targets?`
`01:10.38`	`ZorbaTHut`	`for multi target, shockwave is the best`
`01:10.40`	`Antiarc`	`Jerub: You pretty much just follow that priority queue up there, and use heroic strike on every swing so long as you have the rage for it`
`01:10.41`	`WobWork`	`Mr_Rabies: you 'learn' the mounts and they disappear from your inventory`
`01:10.43`	`ZorbaTHut`	`yeah, it's still better than devastate`
`01:10.49`	`Mr_Rabies`	`oh ok wob`
`01:10.50`	`Mr_Rabies`	`thanks`
`01:10.59`	`Fisker`	`well Cide you can only throw your water in the 2GB tub`
`01:11.07`	`WobWork`	`Mr_Rabies: same with vanity pets`
`01:11.10`	`ZorbaTHut`	`if you're fighting monsters that cast lots of spells, you can save shockwave/concussion blow as extra spell interrupts`
`01:11.14`	`ZorbaTHut`	`usually that's not necessary though`
`01:11.21`	`ZorbaTHut`	`(obviously only works if they're stunnable)`
`01:11.23`	`Mr_Rabies`	`i'm very interested in seeing what happens to a character with lots of outdated itemization and stuff`
`01:11.30`	`Fisker`	`and btw Cide`
`01:11.33`	`Fisker`	`it is a real problem`
`01:11.34`	`Mr_Rabies`	`IF THIS DAMNED GAME WILL EVER PATCH`
`01:11.36`	`Mr_Rabies`	`>:(`
`01:11.44`	`Cide`	`sure it is`
`01:11.49`	`ZorbaTHut`	`basically, single target, shield slam->revenge->concussion blow->shockwave->devastate (keep the thunder clap debuff up)`
`01:11.49`	`Antiarc`	`Mr_Rabies: They make stuff degrade gracefully.`
`01:11.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart ZorbaTHut`
`01:11.59`	`purl`	`takes out a cattle prod and gives ZorbaTHut a good jolt`
`01:12.07`	`Mr_Rabies`	`i still have the stormrage hat on my healing gear`
`01:12.09`	`Antiarc`	`Jerub: You could try installing Watcher and set an ability priority`
`01:12.11`	`Mr_Rabies`	`i should wear it around ironforge`
`01:12.12`	`Mr_Rabies`	`naked`
`01:12.13`	`ZorbaTHut`	`multi target, shockwave->thunder clap->shield slam->revenge->concussion blow->devastate.`
`01:12.16`	`Antiarc`	`It'll help you learn the "feel" of it`
`01:12.46`	`Fisker`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnKEwWa4wVg <- Cide`
`01:13.03`	`ZorbaTHut`	`jerub, honestly that entire article is good, read it :)`
`01:13.23`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: thankyou`
`01:13.39`	`Jerub`	`my dps is still at the same level i was getting at level 58 at 66`
`01:13.50`	`Jerub`	`(550dps ish)`
`01:14.21`	`Fisker`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgIiYXPZ4sM <-even better example`
`01:14.22`	`ZorbaTHut`	`your DPS isn't really going to increase all that much overall. at fresh 80, expect to be doing maybe 1k at most`
`01:14.30`	`ZorbaTHut`	`raid buffed well-geared you'll maybe end up with 3k.`
`01:14.38`	`tem`	`Fisker, I have seen that bug`
`01:14.43`	`Cide`	`Fisker: only that is a bug, not a limitation`
`01:14.49`	`tem`	`it happens to me about once every 2 weeks`
`01:14.54`	`tem`	`goes away when I restart wow`
`01:15.01`	`Fisker`	`Obviously`
`01:15.07`	`Fisker`	`because it's no longer taking up memory`
`01:15.17`	`Fisker`	`whether or not it's a leak i don't know`
`01:15.25`	`Fisker`	`But it's obviously happening because it's running out of memory`
`01:16.28`	`Fisker`	`I've had to disable a few addons as well as remove shadows and i still get it once in a while`
`01:16.37`	`kd3`	`ScytheBlade1, yes and no. there's an outstanding patch that needs to be applied but once that goes in it'll be all good`
`01:16.49`	`kd3`	`http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=19376`
`01:17.05`	`Shirik`	`huh`
`01:17.11`	`Shirik`	`thunderbird has a "reply list" button`
`01:17.27`	`Shirik`	`too bad it doesn't have a "reply list and sender" :(`
`01:17.28`	`Fisker`	`slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout`
`01:18.28`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: thankyou`
`01:18.54`	`Jerub`	`ZorbaTHut: up until 62 i still had 'rend' on 5.`
`01:19.00`	`Jerub`	`and i wasn't even hitting shield slam`
`01:19.44`	`Fisker`	`so let that be a lesson to those who would dabble into the dark magic Shirik`
`01:19.52`	`Jerub`	`(and i had a fucking holy pally shield for 10 levels because i couldn't get a +stam shield)`
`01:20.14`	`Shirik`	`ããããªã`
`01:20.19`	`A-KO`	`later Shirik`
`01:20.29`	`Fisker`	`do not answer me in japanese Shirik`
`01:20.31`	`Jerub`	`ä»æ¯ä¸å¥½`
`01:21.06`	`Shirik`	`wè«gã©ã³ã°ä¸ããããï½`
`01:21.12`	`Shirik`	`er`
`01:21.15`	`Shirik`	`wrong language Jerub`
`01:21.26`	`Jerub`	`ä¸ä½`
`01:21.31`	`Shirik`	`bad Jerub`
`01:21.43`	`Shirik`	`and A-KO: That was @ Fisker`
`01:21.46`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`01:21.48`	`Fisker`	`ses pÃ¥ grillen`
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`02:47.34`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: the worst are level 59 dk tanks`
`02:47.45`	`Kraps`	`http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Sleuther`
`02:47.59`	`WobWork`	`Jerub: eh, as long as they're 5/5/5 it shouldn't be -too- bad at that level`
`02:48.11`	`WobWork`	`Kraps: wow, that's actually decent name =P`
`02:49.04`	`Kraps`	`he couldnt hold aggro`
`02:49.13`	`WobWork`	`at first glance`
`02:49.20`	`WobWork`	`that's a pretty standard 2H frost tank build`
`02:50.18`	`WobWork`	`what's your GS, Kraps?`
`02:50.27`	`WobWork`	`and the gear seems pretty decent for the level`
`02:52.30`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: but they are. :(`
`02:52.39`	`Kraps`	`i logged in shadow http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dalvengyr&cn=Mornsen`
`02:52.40`	`Jerub`	`WobWork: i say this as someone who's currently working thorough the 60's.`
`02:52.54`	`Jerub`	`i get people saying, "thank god you're not a dk" and guildmates who harrange me into tanking`
`02:54.20`	`Kraps`	`gs is 3285`
`02:54.48`	`Jerub`	`GS isn't everything.`
`02:55.15`	`WobWork`	`Jerub: sure, but if you're a 5.5k GS dps complaining that a fresh 80 can't hold aggro...`
`02:55.33`	`Shirik`	`wow`
`02:55.35`	`Shirik`	`Kraps`
`02:55.35`	`Kraps`	`im the healer`
`02:55.36`	`Jerub`	`I did occy with a healer who got the [Dungeon or Raid Emblem] Achievement on the first boss. he was a) an awesome healer, b) told the tank off for doing stupid stuff`
`02:55.42`	`Shirik`	`you know jimbo's "founder" flag?`
`02:55.48`	`WobWork`	`Kraps: He couldn't keep aggro off -you-?`
`02:55.52`	`Shirik`	`he stripped almost all of the permissions from it`
`02:56.02`	`WobWork`	`Kraps: ok, that's terrible =)`
`02:56.09`	`Shirik`	`the only permissions he left on it are "view checkuser log, view abusefilter log, view oversight log, view deletion log"`
`02:56.31`	`Shirik`	`he can't even edit semiprotected pages now`
`02:56.38`	`WobWork`	`http://www.globalnerdy.com/2010/05/09/new-programming-jargon/`
`02:56.40`	`Shirik`	`well I guess he can because he would be autoconfirmed`
`02:56.44`	`Shirik`	`but not because of the founder flag`
`03:00.31`	`kd3`	`whistles`
`03:00.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik: did you ever answer my question about teh electric motor?`
`03:01.44`	`Shirik`	`?`
`03:03.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`did you ever build one`
`03:06.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`WobWork: the duck one is great`
`03:09.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`.NET Sandwich, When .NET code called native code which calls other .NET code and makes the poorly designed application crash.`
`03:09.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`03:10.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`Pokemon Exception Handling, For when you just gotta catch âem all!`
`03:11.32`	`WobWork`	`It's SUPER effective!`
`03:11.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`Shrug Report, A bug report with no error message or âhow to reproduceâ steps and only a vague description of the problem. Usually contains the phrase "doesnât work."`
`03:11.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`gee where have i seen those before`
`03:12.44`	`Shirik`	`Thunder_Child, I don't remember what the question was`
`03:16.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik: i answered your question just underneath it`
`03:16.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`[20:00:34] <Thunder_Child> Shirik: did you ever answer my question about teh electric motor?`
`03:16.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`[20:01:37] <Shirik> ?`
`03:16.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`[20:03:38] <Thunder_Child> did you ever build one`
`03:17.26`	`Shirik`	`build one what`
`03:18.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`an electric motor....geez`
`03:18.33`	`Shirik`	`uh`
`03:18.36`	`Shirik`	`no? >.>`
`03:18.42`	`Shirik`	`oh wait`
`03:18.45`	`Shirik`	`I did in like 5th grade`
`03:18.50`	`Shirik`	`one of those little wire and magnet thingies`
`03:19.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`werent you working on a robot?`
`03:19.07`	`Shirik`	`yes but we just bought the motors`
`03:19.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah`
`03:36.33`	`batrick`	`HI SHIRIK`
`03:36.41`	`Shirik`	`HI BATRICK`
`03:36.46`	`batrick`	`how goes things`
`03:37.25`	`Shirik`	`tired, allergies, busy`
`03:37.56`	`batrick`	`:(`
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`04:01.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`this is hilarious, p2p groups releasing proper's`
`04:01.27`	`Kenthree`	`what does %s mean in the blizz constants? can I ingore it when comparing strings?`
`04:01.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`means its replaced with a string using string.format`
`04:03.13`	`Kenthree`	`I cant just do if arg1 == ERR_AUCTION_SOLD_S ?`
`04:03.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`that constant has a %s in it?`
`04:03.54`	`Kenthree`	`yeah, a buyer has been found for your <item>`
`04:04.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`no that probably wont work`
`04:04.15`	`Kraps`	`http://www.wowbash.com/images/1252720294.jpg`
`04:05.06`	`WobWork`	`nice`
`04:06.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`use something like string.match(string.gsub(ERR_AUCTION_SOLD_S, "%s", ".-"), arg1)`
`04:06.37`	`DWSR`	`Kraps: I lol'ed.`
`04:15.59`	`Shirik`	`Kraps: lol`
`04:16.00`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
`04:16.05`	`Shirik`	`GMs aren't supposed to make fun of blizzard`
`04:16.37`	`Jerub`	`Shirik: since when?`
`04:17.17`	`Shirik`	`SINCE GOD HATH DECLARE IT SAY`
`04:17.18`	`Shirik`	`SO`
`04:20.19`	`*** join/#wowuidev Aeyan (~pancake@cpe-174-098-002-214.triad.res.rr.com)`
`04:23.58`	`Jerub`	`anyone want an sc2 beta key?`
`04:26.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`is waiting for the D3 beta/alpha to start`
`04:26.58`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i kind of want one, but i know i wouldn't really use it. shrug`
`04:27.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`i would, i really didnt use the SC2 one because i am a single player RTS person. not so with D3`
`04:28.05`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i meant for sc2.. but yeah`
`04:28.48`	`Jerub`	`they gave me two this week and all my friends who wanted one has already got one now`
`04:28.52`	`WobWork`	`http://xkcd.com/738/`
`04:29.36`	`cbreak`	`there are already two blizzard betas at the moment`
`04:29.49`	`cbreak`	`do they have the developers to work on three projects?`
`04:30.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`why wouldn't they?`
`04:30.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i can't imagine there's huge crossover between the teams`
`04:30.33`	`Jerub`	`there's some big stuff in the form of bnet realid.`
`04:30.42`	`Jerub`	`being able to message between sc2 and wow will be /incredible/`
`04:31.03`	`Jerub`	`(yes, i've missed raids because of 1v1 games)`
`04:31.05`	`Thrae`	`cbreak: One Beta close to Release, one Alpha close to Beta, one Alpha trickling along.`
`04:32.40`	`Thrae`	`And they're also developing B.NET itself too, but that's more concurrent development for both SC2 and D3.`
`04:33.10`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i'm not really sure what number of projects really has to do with anything, though?`
`04:33.23`	`Thrae`	`And whatever else they/French Producers may add to their repitore.`
`04:33.30`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Thrae: wouldn't surprise me if tehre's a bnet infrastructure team as well`
`04:33.45`	`Thrae`	`NightHawkTheSane: I would susprise me if there wasn't.`
`04:33.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yeah :P`
`04:34.02`	`Thrae`	`s/I /It /`
`04:34.42`	`Thrae`	`Blizzard doesn't make the dough being stupid. If they were stupid, they would have gotten eaten up by EA.`
`04:35.13`	`Thrae`	`Like Origin Systems, Mythic, Bioware, etc.`
`04:35.34`	`Thrae`	`Well I wouldn't call those guys "stupid", just not as successful.`
`04:38.05`	`Thrae`	`EA (to Blizzard): We want to buy your company. Blizzard: Sorry, we sold out to the French. EA (to the President of France): We want to buy Blizzard. President of France (in bad accent): Haha, silly global companiez! Wez zar en Francias! Wez care far nu-thing!`
`04:40.10`	`Thrae`	`Also, EA (to Valve): We want to buy all rights to Steam. Valve: Cool man, can we still smoke pot? EA: Uh...sure. Valve: Wait...what were we talking about? EA: Buying Steam. Valve: We don't have any 'Steam' here, man! ...You a cop?`
`04:40.14`	`Adys`	`http://xkcd.com/738/`
`04:41.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`WobWork linked that like 10 minutes ago`
`04:41.42`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`you were even here!`
`04:43.12`	`Adys`	`i put wobwork in my ignore list 15 minutes ago coincidentally`
`04:43.14`	`Adys`	`also`
`04:43.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`there is one group working on the realid for all games`
`04:43.34`	`Adys`	`how do I get the diff from between a specific git commit and three revisions after it?`
`04:43.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`iirc`
`04:45.58`	`Antiarc`	`git diff abcd1234 HEAD^^^`
`04:46.05`	`Antiarc`	`Or maybe reverse that?`
`04:46.07`	`Antiarc`	`Err`
`04:46.18`	`Antiarc`	`git diff abcd1234 1234^^^`
`04:46.39`	`Antiarc`	`whatever, I'm tired :P`
`04:46.55`	`WobWork`	`Adys: you put me on your ignore list 5 min after I linked xkcd?`
`04:46.57`	`Antiarc`	`git diff abcd1234^^^ abcd1234`
`04:47.01`	`WobWork`	`man you have weird criteria`
`04:47.02`	`Antiarc`	`There you go.`
`04:47.09`	`Adys`	`WobWork: no, 5 min before !`
`04:47.29`	`Adys`	`Antiarc: much love`
`04:47.37`	`WobWork`	`Adys: so.. 20min after my last chat`
`04:47.45`	`WobWork`	`which was 'nice'`
`04:48.08`	`WobWork`	`man you have weird criteria`
`04:48.13`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Where is the XML for the unit health bars that show up above their heads when you press V?`
`04:48.41`	`Adys`	`PfhorSlayer: it's clientside`
`04:48.50`	`Adys`	`they're called nameplates, btw`
`04:48.51`	`Thrae`	`PfhorSlayer: Take a look at "Tidy Plates". It gives you an API to play around with them.`
`04:49.05`	`Jerub`	`yeah, i'm going to investigate tidy plates later.`
`04:49.07`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I just want to copy the look, not their features`
`04:49.14`	`WobWork`	`tidyplates are awesome`
`04:49.28`	`Thrae`	`PfhorSlayer: There's a lot of limitations, but it does let you reskin them a bit more then Blizzard probably intended (blame Shadowed).`
`04:49.31`	`Antiarc`	`PfhorSlayer: Nameplates are a bitch and a half to mod`
`04:49.35`	`Antiarc`	`Just as a heads up :P`
`04:49.36`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Is there another frame that looks kinda like that?`
`04:49.39`	`WobWork`	`PfhorSlayer: the suggestion is to look at how TidyPlates does it`
`04:49.45`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I don't want to mod the nameplate, I just want to copy how it looks.`
`04:49.52`	`PfhorSlayer`	`The bar, with the graphics and such`
`04:49.57`	`Antiarc`	`Ah, okay, heh`
`04:50.02`	`Antiarc`	`(I'm not sure where the XML is)`
`04:50.05`	`PfhorSlayer`	`nothing to do with it floating around above unit's heads or anything`
`04:50.23`	`Thrae`	`PfhorSlayer: Doesn't the default Castbar look like it a bit, just bigger?`
`04:50.44`	`Thrae`	`PfhorSlayer: If not, I know Dominos, another addon, has a Player Castbar (only for Player) that looks just like nameplates.`
`04:50.45`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Ah, that's pretty close yeah`
`04:50.53`	`PfhorSlayer`	`the edges are wrong`
`04:51.03`	`PfhorSlayer`	`but I'm sure I can find something better :)`
`04:51.07`	`PfhorSlayer`	`thanks, I'll start with that!`
`04:51.08`	`Thrae`	`You can define the edges in the backdrop`
`04:51.12`	`PfhorSlayer`	`right`
`04:51.24`	`Thrae`	`It's probably the same texture with different parameters`
`04:51.32`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I'm just not at all familiar with where all of the graphics and such are located`
`04:51.39`	`Thrae`	`Copy Dominos`
`04:51.46`	`Thrae`	`Tuller's code is easy to read`
`04:51.49`	`PfhorSlayer`	`so having to go search for them would be a pain in the ass, when I could just copy and paste from Blizzard's :P`
`04:51.58`	`Torhal`	`PfhorSlayer: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21466`
`04:52.20`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I have that`
`04:52.28`	`PfhorSlayer`	`but there's still 500MB of data to look through`
`04:52.51`	`Torhal`	`You don't have an image viewer/editor that supports thumbnails?`
`04:53.02`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I'm on OS X :\`
`04:53.21`	`Thrae`	`OS X supports a lot of image viewers`
`04:53.22`	`Torhal`	`If that's a no, then OS X must have shitty coders.`
`04:53.25`	`Torhal`	`:D`
`04:53.42`	`PfhorSlayer`	`None that do a good job with blps that I could find`
`04:54.03`	`Thrae`	`I know my B&W Mac Classic came with a thumbnail viewer. OS X has one, I don't know what...oh.`
`04:54.17`	`Torhal`	`PfhorSlayer: http://www.xnview.com/en/downloadunix.html`
`04:54.23`	`Thrae`	`Yeah BLPs I use GIMP, which has a Mac port.`
`04:54.28`	`Thrae`	`XNView is also good`
`04:55.20`	`Antiarc`	`I use BLP2PNG`
`04:55.21`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I'll check that out, thanks!`
`04:55.29`	`Antiarc`	`And just convert the whole directory to PNGs for easy browsing`
`04:57.24`	`Antiarc`	`(also makes it easy to make wow textures since I can just work in 24bit png and not worry about TGA alpha channel silliness)`
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`05:11.15`	`Kraps`	`http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/funny-facebook-sexting-reci1.png?w=320&h=480`
`05:15.37`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Can a FontString layer have event handlers?`
`05:16.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`05:16.21`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I have a main frame and a layer with a FontString, and I'd like to be able to only drag the main frame around by dragging the font string`
`05:16.28`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I'd have to make that a separate frame in order to do this, right?`
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`05:21.30`	`Kraps`	`http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/funny-facebook-pokemon-asians.png?w=554&h=846`
`05:22.10`	`Antiarc`	`Yup`
`05:22.16`	`Antiarc`	`Only frames receive input events`
`05:22.56`	`Adys`	`Antiarc: whats the syntax for one revision after a commit?`
`05:23.14`	`Antiarc`	`^sha1 I think`
`05:23.22`	`Antiarc`	`sha1^ is one before`
`05:23.27`	`Antiarc`	`sha1^^ is 2 before, etc`
`05:23.31`	`Adys`	`huh weird`
`05:27.38`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Would it make more sense to make my draggable-text frame be the parent frame of the whole thing?`
`05:29.01`	`Antiarc`	`I tend to prefer to not do that`
`05:29.20`	`Antiarc`	`But you can just do something like textFrame:GetParent():StartMoving() on your textFrame's OnMouseDown`
`05:29.37`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Ah, awesome`
`05:29.38`	`PfhorSlayer`	`t`
`05:29.48`	`PfhorSlayer`	`that's much more to my liking :P`
`05:31.41`	`Kraps`	`Chris Hansen is win`
`05:35.19`	`Kraps`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJLhQoxenB8`
`05:38.19`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Do I need to specify sizes and anchors for both a frame and it's layer?`
`05:38.24`	`PfhorSlayer`	`layer(s)`
`05:39.28`	`PfhorSlayer`	`or how does it work when one is not set?`
`05:40.20`	`PfhorSlayer`	`are layers sizes the entire size of the parent frame if not set otherwise?`
`05:40.34`	`haste`	`they have no size/anchor at all`
`05:40.49`	`haste`	`you need to specify size and anchor for each frame`
`05:41.06`	`haste`	`unless you anchor in such a way that it can actually calculate the size itself`
`05:41.24`	`PfhorSlayer`	`but how about for layers?`
`05:41.43`	`PfhorSlayer`	`(My understanding is that the frame specifies the region in which the layers are laid out)`
`05:41.59`	`haste`	`I haven't written XML since... 1.9?`
`05:42.08`	`haste`	`but the same should be true for those`
`05:42.47`	`PfhorSlayer`	`yeah, that appears to be the case`
`05:42.53`	`PfhorSlayer`	`if you don't specify anchor/size for a layer`
`05:42.59`	`PfhorSlayer`	`it just defaults to filling the entire frame`
`05:44.46`	`PfhorSlayer`	`and I don't suppose there's any sort of debugging tool that will draw all the visible frames in wireframe or anything like that?`
`05:45.11`	`haste`	`I've yet to experience the need for that`
`05:45.23`	`PfhorSlayer`	`It'd be cool to look at :P`
`05:45.27`	`haste`	`you could emulate that with the new texture tile system however`
`05:48.23`	`PfhorSlayer`	`http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136305`
`05:48.30`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I'm not sure why I can not drag the title text frame`
`05:48.39`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I don't get those debug messages either`
`05:49.14`	`PfhorSlayer`	`(Yeah, I realize that StopMoving() isn't a real function - but it's still not calling the handlers!)`
`05:50.27`	`Antiarc`	`StopMovingOrSizing() :)`
`05:50.36`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Yeah, that's the one :)`
`05:50.55`	`haste`	`XML :(`
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`05:52.37`	`PfhorSlayer`	`Oh.`
`05:52.44`	`PfhorSlayer`	`You have to register it for dragging first`
`05:52.47`	`PfhorSlayer`	`d'oh`
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`06:02.43`	`zenzio`	`"The Galaxy 15 commercial satellite has not responded to commands since solar flares fried its CPU in April, and it won't turn off." - woops`
`06:03.15`	`Jerub`	`zenzio: time to fire up the satellite killing lasers. :P`
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`06:10.40`	`Jerub`	`anyone got an idea of when realid is going to be available for wow?`
`06:11.23`	`Zyn`	`around the next coming of Rapture`
`06:11.36`	`Jerub`	`:'(`
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`06:21.55`	`airtonix`	`does that mean free tv ?`
`06:36.16`	`Torhal`	`airtonix: Free at a cost.`
`06:38.04`	`airtonix`	`oh this is the same tv that doctor who is on?.... keep it`
`06:41.32`	`batrick`	`i was just in a HoN game where the vindicator went straight for full points in the attack modifier talent`
`06:41.36`	`batrick`	`sooooooo goood`
`06:41.40`	`batrick`	`=(`
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`06:44.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`Dagmar: you said you once knocked a korean company completely off the net right?`
`06:49.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`rofl http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/05/10/0325225/Mpeg-7-To-Include-Per-Frame-Content-Identification oh man thats a good one "allow the owners of the video to automatically 'detect illegal copies' and 'prevent illegal upload of video content' without their consent" hahahaha`
`06:49.24`	`haste`	`yeh`
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`06:50.53`	`Arrowmaster`	`waves to ZorbaTHut`
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`06:54.51`	`airtonix`	`loooool`
`06:55.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`this article seems so wrong, they also completely miss the fact that MPEG-7 is a metadata specification and not a video encoding specification like MPEG-1,2,4`
`06:56.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`"Nonetheless, the inclusion of NEC's video signature technology should mean that the Mpeg 7 standard will finally step out from the shadows and get recognised by Hollywood executives, who might chose to encode their future titles with it."`
`06:56.48`	`airtonix`	`ill use it for : video-of : your mum`
`06:56.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok xchat doesnt handle highlighting and bolding the same as im used to`
`06:58.07`	`zenzio`	`in what way?`
`06:58.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`it started the bold at the end of where i highlighted it instead of putting a bold at the beginning and the end`
`06:59.02`	`haste`	`Arrowmaster: and god forbid should you remove the metadata!`
`06:59.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`its not like it will see use anywhere in the next 5 years`
`06:59.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`since you cant just go adding stuff to blurays`
`07:00.21`	`airtonix`	`whats so good about blurays? seems like it still get scratched to shit like other uncovered optical discs`
`07:00.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`you have blurays?`
`07:00.37`	`airtonix`	`why would i`
`07:00.38`	`Arrowmaster`	`and they got scratched?`
`07:00.41`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh`
`07:01.01`	`airtonix`	`im not an early adopter`
`07:01.03`	`Arrowmaster`	`so you arent aware that blurays have a hard coating unlike cds, dvds, and hddvds`
`07:01.18`	`airtonix`	`unless its a seperate case im not impressed`
`07:02.45`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RN8o9K6O0I`
`07:03.09`	`zenzio`	`"Heh, you're wrong AND you're an asshole. Good job."`
`07:05.34`	`Jerub`	`loved how they explained VHS tapes in red dwarf`
`07:07.18`	`Jerub`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS#Trivia`
`07:07.24`	`haste`	`loved red dwarf.`
`07:07.56`	`zenzio`	`Red Dwarf <3`
`07:08.01`	`haste`	`I actually haven't seen return to earth`
`07:08.11`	`haste`	`due to the awesome thing called DRM`
`07:12.02`	`Adys`	`i dont see how direct rendering mode prevents you from seeing it`
`07:12.05`	`Adys`	`unless...`
`07:12.09`	`Adys`	`YOU HAVE AN ATI ?!`
`07:12.11`	`Adys`	`(dum dum dum)`
`07:16.55`	`haste`	`I haven't bought ATi in seven years due to their awesome liunx drivers`
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`07:19.40`	`airtonix`	`whats ati lol`
`07:20.02`	`cybermind`	`adjusted taxable income`
`07:21.06`	`haste`	`airtonix: rebranding is hard`
`07:21.07`	`airtonix`	`Ackis The Insolent`
`07:24.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`haste: GARfest nominations have started`
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`07:26.05`	`haste`	`Arrowmaster: and I'm like... lol wut?`
`07:26.05`	`haste`	`it sounds familiar, but doesn't really ring a bell`
`07:26.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=41081`
`07:26.12`	`haste`	`fakku seems oddly NSFW`
`07:26.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`thread is hilarious, and all the characters i can think of have already been nominated`
`07:26.48`	`Adys`	`Welcome to the official Garfest Nomination thread of summer 2010`
`07:26.54`	`Adys`	`Who read Garfield nomination thread?`
`07:27.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`yes the site is NSFW mostly, but except for forum avatars that thread is safe`
`07:27.07`	`airtonix`	`whats with all the homos`
`07:27.17`	`airtonix`	`hardly manly`
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`07:27.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh god i cant stop laughing at the first video on page 20`
`07:28.24`	`haste`	`so need to look at this later today`
`07:29.00`	`airtonix`	`YEAH DEADPOOL!`
`07:29.21`	`airtonix`	`die fisker`
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`07:54.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`so I need a laptop backpack that's also spacious enough for me to take it when I go to London for the weekend and such. Does anyone here have a Timbuk2 Q or H.A.L. by any chance?`
`07:54.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`Or the Swissgear Neon?`
`07:56.21`	`WobWork`	`I have a timbuk2`
`07:56.25`	`WobWork`	`but it's a messenger`
`07:58.12`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah, I'm, quite familiar with the messegers`
`07:58.32`	`jnwhiteh`	`the Q is one of their new backpacks and it looks pretty interesting, but I'd like to have more info on it.`
`07:59.31`	`Nechckn`	`hates nearly every "laptop" bag.`
`07:59.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`hehe, me too.. normally`
`08:00.03`	`Nechckn`	`They almost always seem to be undersized. The best one, yet, was one that Lotus gave away at Lotusphere. The price was right, too!`
`08:00.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`undersized as in the laptop portion of it, or the whole bag?`
`08:01.19`	`Nechckn`	`Most often the laptop portion.. where their claims of "fits up to X by Y" were really pushing the limits o' the fabric.`
`08:01.22`	`zenzio`	`http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/05/ultra-indie-warcraft-theater/ - so true`
`08:01.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`ah yeah`
`08:01.33`	`jnwhiteh`	`well teh SwissGear Neon is designed to fit my laptop, specifically`
`08:01.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`which is why I'm considering it.`
`08:01.43`	`jnwhiteh`	`http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TN222LL/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY`
`08:01.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`and I'm also looking at the Q: http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/backpacks/q-backpack#product=4-122548`
`08:02.23`	`Nechckn`	`They are pretty good, at least I had one a while back - from SwissGear, that is, but not really up on current offerings.`
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`08:02.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`i'm just concerned about the inner size of the swissgear one, I ideally need to be able to shove some clothes in for a long weekend and I don't know how much it can hold`
`08:04.04`	`Nechckn`	`"CaseBase stabilising platform keeps NEON standing upright " is a nice feature of the SwissGear.`
`08:04.38`	`jnwhiteh`	`aye`
`08:05.23`	`Nechckn`	`As for the timbuk2, it says that it is the smallest of their line, so that would seem to indicate limited extra room`
`08:05.39`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah, but the H.A.L is too big to securely hold my laptop`
`08:05.44`	`jnwhiteh`	`and that's the other option`
`08:06.00`	`Nechckn`	`Ah, gotcha`
`08:06.24`	`zenzio`	`I wouldn't go with the H.A.L... before you know it, it won't let you open it`
`08:06.53`	`jnwhiteh`	`I know the TB2 one is going to be better made`
`08:06.55`	`Nechckn`	`Lol, good point, zenzio`
`08:07.12`	`jnwhiteh`	`ignore the horrible child that's doing it, but here's the SwissGear Neon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk1E5cjRo6A`
`08:07.59`	`Nechckn`	`The "access" pick, for the timbuk2 sort of shows the interior.`
`08:08.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah`
`08:08.25`	`Nechckn`	`Or at least provides a bit of reference.`
`08:09.10`	`Nechckn`	`All depends on how much you take for a weekend, too. I know for most things, I tend to overpack... so that would be no where near big enough. =)`
`08:09.19`	`jnwhiteh`	`hehehe`
`08:09.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah I tend to take a fair amount, but not really overpacking`
`08:09.40`	`jnwhiteh`	`but I dont have any way to compare the Q and the Neon as far as inner space =)`
`08:10.22`	`jnwhiteh`	`chances are I'll grab the Neon, since I"ll be able to see and play with it before I buy it`
`08:10.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`so long as I go to an apple store.`
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`08:10.44`	`Nechckn`	`Yeah...`
`08:11.04`	`Dagmar`	`Just don't fall asleep while you're in there.`
`08:11.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`?`
`08:13.33`	`Dagmar`	`That's when they get you.`
`08:13.46`	`jnwhiteh`	`my friend has a swiss gear already`
`08:13.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`we'll be backpack twins if I get that one`
`08:13.56`	`Dagmar`	`After that you're just one of those vaguely happy looking smiling people using the kiosks`
`08:14.16`	`Nechckn`	`Oh.. check out the external dimensions`
`08:14.56`	`Nechckn`	`The SwissGear is bigger`
`08:14.56`	`jnwhiteh`	`I think they HAVE to be wrong.`
`08:15.14`	`jnwhiteh`	`but maybe not.`
`08:15.14`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah`
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`08:15.29`	`jnwhiteh`	`5in depth instead of 10in`
`08:16.15`	`Nechckn`	`I think that the timbuk2 is meant to be only laptop... that sort of goes with that interior view with the person pulling the lappy out of the bag.`
`08:16.46`	`jnwhiteh`	`well it doesn't show the other pocket inthat picture`
`08:16.48`	`jnwhiteh`	`but yeah`
`08:16.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`it does appear taht the Q is smaller`
`08:16.57`	`Nechckn`	`That would be the main thing to check.. give 'em a call when they are open to see if the dimensions are correct.`
`08:17.00`	`jnwhiteh`	`and given that the HAL will be too big for my laptop`
`08:17.30`	`Dagmar`	`generic hate in Apple's direction for buying all the bloody SSD components up`
`08:17.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`lol`
`08:18.55`	`Nechckn`	`Go all hipster and spray paint it silly colors... or all goth and do a nice flat black.`
`08:19.01`	`jnwhiteh`	`=)`
`08:19.26`	`airtonix`	`126$ for cardboard box looooool`
`08:19.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`the size diff if gonna end up being the deciding factor, I think`
`08:19.51`	`Dagmar`	`Seriously tho`
`08:20.08`	`jnwhiteh`	`even the HAL is smaller than the swiss gear, if we go by dimensions`
`08:20.12`	`Dagmar`	`It took me three weeks to get my hands on an EEE PC 901 with the two SSDs in it (one 4gb, the other 16gb)`
`08:20.24`	`Dagmar`	`...all because Apple bought all the damn parts available`
`08:20.32`	`Nechckn`	`well, you know the lappy pocket will be almost equal, so the rest of the space is the important thing, unless they are total morons with design.`
`08:20.44`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah`
`08:20.47`	`Dagmar`	`I have pants with pockets big enough to hold the EEE`
`08:21.09`	`Dagmar`	`Actually I have pants with pockets big enough to hold my 15.4" VAIO, but that's completely beside the point.`
`08:21.28`	`Nechckn`	`damn.... those must be some crazy pants, Dagmar`
`08:21.34`	`Dagmar`	`<-- raver`
`08:21.34`	`jnwhiteh`	`lol`
`08:21.50`	`Nechckn`	`It was either that or bellbottoms`
`08:22.06`	`Nechckn`	`with cargo pockets`
`08:22.16`	`Dagmar`	`You've seen us walking around in cargo pants big enough for two`
`08:27.49`	`Dagmar`	`http://www.xkcd.com/732/ <-- win`
`08:33.51`	`airtonix`	`http://www.xkcd.com/735/ < my younger brother really did this when yonger`
`08:34.04`	`airtonix`	`much lulz ensued when dad came home`
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`09:16.05`	`PfhorSlayer`	`How can I get information on how long a spell ticks for?`
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`09:20.33`	`Wobin`	`http://juanosborne.com/`
`09:20.54`	`Wobin`	`PfhorSlayer, I think that heavily depends on talents and glyphs and the like`
`09:20.54`	`jnwhiteh`	`PfhorSlayer: depends on what you mean`
`09:20.57`	`jnwhiteh`	`on a buff/debuff that you've cast`
`09:21.00`	`jnwhiteh`	`you get the duration`
`09:21.08`	`jnwhiteh`	`for a 'spell', you have to read the tooltip and hope its accurate`
`09:21.13`	`PfhorSlayer`	`where do you get the duration?`
`09:21.22`	`jnwhiteh`	`!api GetAuraInfo`
`09:21.25`	`Wobin`	`(note, tooltips are rarely accurate =P)`
`09:21.32`	`jnwhiteh`	`aLUABOT!@?`
`09:21.33`	`PfhorSlayer`	`That's what I'm looking for - I want to know, if a certain buff is cast, how long it lasts for`
`09:21.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`well the default UI displays it`
`09:21.45`	`jnwhiteh`	`you can use the same method.`
`09:21.55`	`PfhorSlayer`	`good point, I'll check that out :)`
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`09:22.24`	`jnwhiteh`	`PfhorSlayer: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura`
`09:22.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`!api UnitAura`
`09:22.28`	`lua_bot`	`UnitAura: Returns information about buffs/debuffs on a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitAura)`
`09:23.57`	`PfhorSlayer`	`and I guess I can check the combat log event to see when the specific aura I'm interested in is cast?`
`09:24.46`	`jnwhiteh`	`you don't even need to do that`
`09:24.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`the UNIT_AURA event firest`
`09:24.52`	`jnwhiteh`	`fires`
`09:24.57`	`PfhorSlayer`	`oh, cool :D`
`09:25.00`	`jnwhiteh`	`is this a debuff on a mob`
`09:25.03`	`jnwhiteh`	`or a buff on a friendly unit?`
`09:25.07`	`PfhorSlayer`	`friendly buff`
`09:25.13`	`jnwhiteh`	`then use UNIT_AURA`
`09:25.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`I'd say`
`09:25.24`	`PfhorSlayer`	`thanks!`
`09:27.47`	`PfhorSlayer`	`So when I get the UNIT_AURA event, I'd iterate through that unit's auras to see if the one I am interested in was placed on that unit by me?`
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`09:30.34`	`airtonix`	`...`
`09:31.24`	`airtonix`	`read the page that was linked to you`
`09:32.17`	`PfhorSlayer`	`I did. According to the UNIT_AURA doc on wowwiki, it simply gives you which unit had some aura thing happen to it`
`09:32.22`	`PfhorSlayer`	`it doesn't tell you the index`
`09:32.24`	`jnwhiteh`	`so?`
`09:32.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`you scan their buffs to see if they gained the spell you care about`
`09:32.41`	`PfhorSlayer`	`meaning I'd have to iterate through all of the 40 possible indices until I found it`
`09:32.42`	`airtonix`	`it tells you alot more than that`
`09:32.49`	`jnwhiteh`	`the client doesn't hjave that information`
`09:32.52`	`jnwhiteh`	`and that's what the default UI does`
`09:32.54`	`jnwhiteh`	`don't over optimize`
`09:33.00`	`jnwhiteh`	`just do what works, and figure out if its 'efficient' later`
`09:33.06`	`jnwhiteh`	`you also don't need to iterate over 40`
`09:33.11`	`jnwhiteh`	`just until you get a nil return`
`09:33.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`which is normally much earlier than 40`
`09:33.22`	`PfhorSlayer`	`yeah`
`09:35.11`	`PfhorSlayer`	`UNIT_AURA fires for all aura related events?`
`09:35.20`	`PfhorSlayer`	`if someone clicks off the aura, for example?`
`09:35.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`yes.`
`09:35.46`	`jnwhiteh`	`again, this is not really an issue`
`09:36.04`	`jnwhiteh`	`you scan the auras and note who doesn't have your buff`
`09:36.13`	`jnwhiteh`	`then when the event fires, if you see the buff on someone, then its appeared`
`09:36.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`if you only care about the buffs YOU cast`
`09:36.19`	`jnwhiteh`	`its even easier.`
`09:36.25`	`Wobin`	`wow`
`09:36.26`	`Wobin`	`http://www.thisblogrules.com/2010/03/dog-that-hasnt-missed-a-single-riot-for-years.html/`
`09:36.28`	`jnwhiteh`	`because you dont have to iterate all the buffs, you can use a filter.`
`09:36.28`	`Wobin`	`RIOT DOG`
`09:37.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`haha thats awesome`
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`09:39.11`	`airtonix`	`rioting is trendy now?`
`09:39.19`	`airtonix`	`do those guys also have iphones`
`09:39.22`	`Wobin`	`also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQy0RbmfGKU&feature=player_embedded`
`09:39.43`	`airtonix`	`i notice those guys are suspiciously clean`
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`09:40.29`	`Wobin`	`which ones?`
`09:40.37`	`airtonix`	`the ones posing`
`09:40.46`	`Wobin`	`well duh`
`09:40.50`	`Wobin`	`you pose -before- the riot`
`09:40.52`	`Wobin`	`not -after-`
`09:41.08`	`airtonix`	`you do if you want it to look authentic`
`09:41.24`	`Wobin`	`you're worried about -authenticity-?`
`09:42.32`	`airtonix`	`infact im not even convinced the faggots in the first picture are in any of the others.`
`09:42.42`	`Wobin`	`wow`
`09:42.52`	`Wobin`	`touched a nerve there, I see`
`09:43.02`	`Wobin`	`here's something completely different: http://www.whatevs.net/post/582778472`
`09:44.24`	`Wobin`	`(PS, you're supposed to be focussing on the dog)`
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`09:46.12`	`airtonix`	`http://comedy.com/files/2010/04/2841925512_1a85118588.jpg`
`09:47.29`	`Wobin`	`I wonder where they put the spare S`
`09:47.37`	`Fisker`	`Wobin`
`09:47.39`	`Fisker`	`i'm tired`
`09:49.06`	`Wobin`	`http://daily-quests.com/comic/comics/2010-05-07.jpg`
`09:49.12`	`Wobin`	`she does ridiculously cute druid forms`
`09:50.53`	`Trela`	`SO CUTE!`
`09:53.11`	`PfhorSlayer`	`WoW's Lua API keeps with Lua's indices-start-at-one convention, right?`
`09:53.22`	`Wobin`	`indeed`
`09:53.24`	`jnwhiteh`	`yes.`
`09:53.37`	`haste`	`following the lua standard`
`09:53.52`	`Fisker`	`slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout`
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`10:04.38`	`Fisker`	`haste`
`10:08.22`	`haste`	`Fisker`
`10:08.56`	`Bruners`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:11.45`	`Fisker`	`:O`
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`10:15.45`	`Fisker`	`oops haste i transformed in front of you without even realizing it`
`10:26.18`	`Fisker`	`slaps haste around a bit with a large trout`
`10:33.51`	`industrial`	`Fisker: did you become an hero?`
`10:37.57`	`Fisker`	`no industrial`
`10:38.04`	`Fisker`	`but i transformed right infront of you`
`10:38.12`	`zenzio`	`it's called arousal`
`10:39.19`	`industrial`	`Fisker: I know I'm sexually attractive but even if I'm luring you so to say that's no reason for you to act indecent and transform right in front of me, with or without me noticing it.`
`10:51.57`	`industrial`	`(women!)`
`10:53.24`	`industrial`	`zomgcuet chick in the train this morning. I was all like "lulz hai tihs seet taken?" but in the end I failed and didnt get the digits :(`
`10:53.36`	`industrial`	`~faildustrial`
`10:54.03`	`olafski`	`:(`
`10:54.24`	`zenzio`	`well, when you do work up the courage, try speaking in proper language`
`10:56.09`	`olafski`	`unless she is wearing cat ears`
`10:57.09`	`krka`	`industrial: do you collect women's digits in a bucket?`
`10:57.33`	`krka`	`sylvanaar_atwork: cool screenshot btw!`
`10:57.39`	`krka`	`you're never on irc when i am`
`10:58.04`	`krka`	`the screenshot version isn't commited anywhere, is it?`
`10:58.51`	`krka`	`btw, i managed to violate jsyntaxpane into allowing multiple syntaxes on the same text area, which means i can use a single text area for all of the interpreter output, instead of stacking multiple text areas on top of each other`
`10:59.15`	`miica`	`http://pastebin.com/r4YKsiuW`
`10:59.33`	`miica`	`give coding tips and how make it better etc :D`
`11:00.15`	`industrial`	`zenzio: that's what I was thinking, not what I said.`
`11:00.24`	`industrial`	`krka: no, in my phone usually.`
`11:00.37`	`olafski`	`miica: "please"?`
`11:00.42`	`miica`	`yeah please :P`
`11:00.58`	`krka`	`no one got the reference i take it`
`11:01.04`	`miica`	`well we are not used to use "please" in Finland :3`
`11:01.27`	`krka`	`correction, the women in finland are not used to being "pleased"`
`11:01.36`	`miica`	`only in realy formal situations`
`11:01.44`	`industrial`	`krka: so they are all grumpy?`
`11:01.51`	`krka`	`yes, just like the men :)`
`11:02.10`	`industrial`	`I bet they are all hawt and blonde however`
`11:02.14`	`industrial`	`no, wait, that was sweden.`
`11:02.16`	`olafski`	`and they speak moonspeak`
`11:02.27`	`krka`	`they are atleast blonde!`
`11:02.32`	`krka`	`some of them anyway`
`11:02.46`	`miica`	`krka: from Finland? :P`
`11:03.02`	`krka`	`i'm from your rightful owner`
`11:03.26`	`miica`	`ok..`
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`11:05.19`	`miica`	`scrollframes are kinda wierd`
`11:05.32`	`miica`	`i need to add scroll bar to tehm?`
`11:05.39`	`miica`	`them*`
`11:06.04`	`jnwhiteh`	`yes`
`11:06.11`	`jnwhiteh`	`they're just scroll frames`
`11:06.24`	`jnwhiteh`	`the sliders that control what you're viewing in the scroll frame are completely separate`
`11:06.30`	`miica`	`and addchild was kinda wierd too`
`11:06.37`	`jnwhiteh`	`addchild isn't weird`
`11:06.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`you have to set the contents of the scroll frame, not sure what weird about tha t=)`
`11:06.52`	`miica`	`i can add anything i want to addchild?`
`11:06.55`	`jnwhiteh`	`no`
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`11:07.03`	`jnwhiteh`	`I suspect you mean SetScrollChild`
`11:07.16`	`miica`	`:/`
`11:07.25`	`jnwhiteh`	`and a frame can have only one scroll child`
`11:07.51`	`jnwhiteh`	`http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/ScrollFrame explains most of it.`
`11:08.07`	`jnwhiteh`	`and the chapter on scroll frames goes into more detail`
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`11:50.04`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`krka: no not yet - i didnt have time to finish it this weekend`
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`11:50.51`	`Wobin`	`how does gunship differ in 25 from 10?`
`11:51.07`	`zenzio`	`15 more people`
`11:51.17`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`krka: I have to remove the window that contains that interpreter, it pops up behind IDEA. Wait - actually, i did commit the code to bitbucket`
`11:51.29`	`Wobin`	`zenzio, just as lootbaggy?`
`11:51.43`	`zenzio`	`actually don't know, haven't done ICC`
`11:51.58`	`zenzio`	`but since I haven't heard anything about it being difficult, I guess it's much the same`
`11:52.19`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`krka: http://bitbucket.org/sylvanaar2/lua-for-idea/wiki/Home`
`11:53.00`	`krka`	`if you need me to change anything in kahlua to simplify for you, just let me know`
`11:53.36`	`krka`	`yeah, i have the link already :P that's where i couldnt find anything recent :)`
`11:53.49`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`i thought i pushed it`
`11:54.39`	`krka`	`maybe i'm just not seeing it`
`11:54.54`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`krka: ok - it appears that i didnt`
`11:55.11`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`krka: i wonder where i did push it lol`
`11:55.42`	`krka`	`somewhere on the internet, there's a very confused developer!`
`11:55.59`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`krka: anyhow, im using the window you have that contains the interpreters. I need to just create the interpreter by itself - but i was having an issue with it needing a refernce to its parent window`
`11:56.14`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`krka: i think i pushed it onto another one of my working copies`
`11:56.29`	`krka`	`just needs a reference to any window i think, it's for positioning the tooltips`
`11:56.40`	`krka`	`maybe i can change that somehow`
`11:59.36`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`krka: its pretty close I think though`
`12:00.04`	`krka`	`i can atleast weaken the type from JFrame to Window`
`12:00.07`	`krka`	`i think`
`12:00.42`	`krka`	`not sure if that helps :)`
`12:00.44`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`I have a JComponent that is the parent`
`12:02.17`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`My memory is a little fuzzy, but i think that caused some problems when i passed it in.`
`12:02.26`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`when are you on IRC?`
`12:02.43`	`krka`	`if you give me a minute, i think can completely kill the window`
`12:03.04`	`krka`	`what time is it for you now? :)`
`12:03.08`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`8am`
`12:03.33`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`i can probably run home at lunch and try it out`
`12:03.46`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`around 11:30`
`12:04.58`	`krka`	`i am on work irc between 2am and 11am and at home on irc between 2pm and 5pm (roughly)`
`12:05.14`	`krka`	`i'll just commit my changes and you can get it whenever you want`
`12:05.18`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`ok`
`12:08.06`	`krka`	`that was easy enough, i wonder if i missed anything`
`12:08.46`	`krka`	`pushed to github now`
`12:36.40`	`Wobin`	`I love 4dpsing HVH`
`12:37.11`	`zenzio`	`4dpsing HVH?`
`12:37.39`	`olafski`	`yes`
`12:37.47`	`olafski`	`doing heroic violet hold with 4 dps`
`12:37.55`	`zenzio`	`ah`
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`12:43.33`	`zenzio`	`http://clientsfromhell.net/post/561720286/client-i-would-like-to-have-our-home-page-come`
`12:43.59`	`Spejnar`	`olafski: yesteday our disc priest did 4x dps of the DK in daily hc..`
`12:44.05`	`Spejnar`	`we kicked him for the lulz`
`12:44.12`	`zenzio`	`the DK I hope`
`12:44.15`	`olafski`	`nais`
`12:44.37`	`Spejnar`	`ofc`
`12:44.43`	`Spejnar`	`cant see why I would kick my guildies..`
`12:44.48`	`Spejnar`	`^^`
`12:45.00`	`zenzio`	`was just not clear from your sentence :-p`
`12:45.04`	`Spejnar`	`I know`
`12:45.22`	`Spejnar`	`4 icc10 geared guildies and a random DK, he only auto attacked or something..`
`12:45.38`	`Spejnar`	`not even fun when you GC the mobs`
`12:45.41`	`Spejnar`	`GCD*`
`12:47.21`	`Kaso`	`when i do dailies which my icc geared tank i usually just switch into shadow spec, VE is enough to keep him up`
`12:47.33`	`Kaso`	`throw the odd shield if things get heavy`
`12:49.12`	`Adys`	`Maldivia: you around?`
`12:54.47`	`Spejnar`	`our disc priest is so bored he tries to do 0 pure healing in daily hc`
`12:55.05`	`zenzio`	`sounds like an undisciplined healer`
`12:55.26`	`airtonix`	`loooooooooool`
`12:55.34`	`Spejnar`	`wow, bad joke`
`12:58.36`	`Adys`	`lua> 50*0.393`
`12:58.37`	`lua_bot`	`Adys: 19.65`
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`13:06.30`	`miica`	`it looks so cool!`
`13:06.34`	`miica`	`http://kosto.servut.us/vittuetonhienolootfame.jpg`
`13:06.58`	`Wobin`	`Spejnar, with a good tank, I can do that easily`
`13:07.21`	`Spejnar`	`Wobin: never checked how much he healed but he was 4th on dps and only spammed shields as far as I saw`
`13:07.31`	`Spejnar`	`hopefully our icc10 hm tank is enough for daily hc ^^`
`13:07.47`	`zenzio`	`miica: not bad, though the info in it looks a bit scarce yet :)`
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`13:08.33`	`olafski`	`nice, APB features per-hour or per-month payment schemes :o`
`13:08.51`	`Kenthree`	`is there a clean (cross locale) way to compare strings with the blizzard constants that have variables in em? %s and such`
`13:08.53`	`Spejnar`	`yeah thats fucked up`
`13:09.02`	`Spejnar`	`50h included from the box`
`13:09.09`	`miica`	`zenzio: well you dont need so much info in it because it comes up when somebody gets loots and he has bidded for it earlier so it will automaticly put bid amount in those editboxes so ML just need to press did it go Mainspec or Offspec :3`
`13:09.50`	`zenzio`	`miica: what I meant was it looked like placeholder data :)`
`13:09.55`	`miica`	`:P`
`13:10.18`	`miica`	`now i just need to make scrollframes :((`
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`13:12.34`	`Fisker`	`slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout`
`13:15.44`	`miica`	`only problem i havent figured out is when masterlooter is too far a way from looter masterlooter dont get "plaa received item" message :/`
`13:16.24`	`olafski`	`why is it fucked up spejnar? seems like a great idea to me`
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`13:16.58`	`Spejnar`	`olafski: if I play an "mmo" Im gonna play unlimited, not by hour. Otherwise Ill just go back to a freaking 56k modem`
`13:17.23`	`zenzio`	`not everyone is like us`
`13:17.31`	`olafski`	`indeed`
`13:17.39`	`Spejnar`	`Im sure more people wanna play unlimited than by hour`
`13:17.43`	`olafski`	`I imagine there are plenty of people who don't play more than 70 hours a month`
`13:17.47`	`zenzio`	`Spejnar: most likely`
`13:17.59`	`Spejnar`	`so they need to refill their time 4 times a month`
`13:18.03`	`zenzio`	`but imagine attracting both those who play unlimited and those who don't think unlimited is worth the cost, but still wish to play?`
`13:18.04`	`Spejnar`	`instead of $15 a month`
`13:18.06`	`airtonix`	`don't want to pay for hours im not using TO BE HONEST!!!!`
`13:18.27`	`olafski`	`with APB you get a choice.. just pick whichever is cheaper for you`
`13:18.35`	`olafski`	`$7 for 50 hours or $10 for a month unlimited`
`13:18.37`	`Spejnar`	`there are lots of free to play you can play around with`
`13:18.42`	`Spejnar`	`enjoy`
`13:18.46`	`olafski`	`I really don't see how you can consider this a bad thing`
`13:19.01`	`airtonix`	`because only peasants don't spend more than they need to`
`13:19.03`	`zenzio`	`Spejnar: any free-to-plays like APB?`
`13:19.06`	`Spejnar`	`if there is unlimited, sure, did not know that. Only saw their 50h included + 20h refills`
`13:19.09`	`Spejnar`	`zenzio: IRL`
`13:19.16`	`olafski`	`< olafski> nice, APB features per-hour or per-month payment schemes :o`
`13:19.24`	`Spejnar`	`you mean I need to read? god damnit`
`13:19.29`	`olafski`	`I don't even care about APB itself but I think this is a good development`
`13:19.30`	`Spejnar`	`you are worse than JavaNoob`
`13:19.30`	`zenzio`	`;-p`
`13:19.30`	`Spejnar`	`>.<`
`13:19.47`	`Spejnar`	`if I still can pay my $10-15 a month for unlimited sure`
`13:19.50`	`Spejnar`	`then I couldnt care less`
`13:20.04`	`olafski`	`70 hours a month is quite a lot already tbh`
`13:20.11`	`olafski`	`it seems a bit faster paced than wow`
`13:20.12`	`Spejnar`	`I dont wanna go back to playing UO on a modem paying a fuckton of money`
`13:20.20`	`airtonix`	`loooool`
`13:20.25`	`Spejnar`	`old school baby`
`13:20.40`	`olafski`	`and $10 isn't a fuckton of money ;)`
`13:20.52`	`Spejnar`	`no its not, but playing on a modem wasnt $10`
`13:21.01`	`Spejnar`	`more like $30-40+ a month`
`13:21.02`	`olafski`	`indeed, so not really a good comparison`
`13:21.09`	`zenzio`	`lua> 70/30`
`13:21.09`	`lua_bot`	`zenzio: 2.3333333333333`
`13:21.10`	`Spejnar`	`and that was playing less than I wanted`
`13:21.18`	`Spejnar`	`much less`
`13:21.19`	`zenzio`	`2h 20 minutes a day average`
`13:21.26`	`Spejnar`	`that cant be right, oh well`
`13:21.32`	`olafski`	`zenzio: aye, I think that's more than what the average player plays in wow`
`13:21.48`	`Spejnar`	`tbh I dont care about average players since Im not one of them`
`13:21.49`	`olafski`	`most people in here will probably play more but there are many people who only play during the weekends for instance`
`13:22.03`	`olafski`	`a narrow view sees better, right?`
`13:22.08`	`Spejnar`	`ofc it does`
`13:22.10`	`Spejnar`	`less distractions`
`13:22.20`	`zenzio`	`hehe`
`13:22.29`	`Spejnar`	`why should I care about average players when they dont affect me?`
`13:22.35`	`airtonix`	`loooool`
`13:22.39`	`olafski`	`maybe I'll get APB.. but then I should also probably get xbox live gold.. so bleh`
`13:22.43`	`zenzio`	`Spejnar: do you play WoW?`
`13:22.45`	`airtonix`	`playing online as the only player`
`13:22.48`	`Spejnar`	`zenzio: yup`
`13:22.55`	`zenzio`	`then casuals have already affected you a lot`
`13:23.03`	`Spejnar`	`unfortunatly, yes`
`13:23.06`	`Spejnar`	`GC and achi spam`
`13:23.10`	`Spejnar`	`retards failing at everything`
`13:23.12`	`Spejnar`	`it hurts`
`13:23.15`	`Spejnar`	`GS*`
`13:23.22`	`airtonix`	`enter key`
`13:23.38`	`olafski`	`so does anyone who can have a mature discussion have an opinion about this pay-by-the-hour scheme? ;)`
`13:23.39`	`Spejnar`	`I get paid for each newline`
`13:23.45`	`Spejnar`	`olafski: well fu too >.<`
`13:23.53`	`Spejnar`	`im back to writing, gg gl`
`13:24.04`	`olafski`	`I'm just trying to put off installing some tools for my msc`
`13:24.17`	`olafski`	`stupid OSS.. why do they have to make it terribly hard to get their stuff to work`
`13:24.22`	`zenzio`	`I'd actually appreciate an MMO where the client was free, and you could do a pay-by-hour trial`
`13:24.42`	`olafski`	`doesn't D&D online do that?`
`13:24.48`	`Spejnar`	`id rather have guildwars or monthly subscription`
`13:24.50`	`Spejnar`	`well no`
`13:24.53`	`Spejnar`	`they are free`
`13:24.53`	`Wobin`	`D&D is free`
`13:24.55`	`Spejnar`	`unless you want plat`
`13:25.02`	`Wobin`	`but with microtransactions`
`13:25.04`	`olafski`	`ah ok`
`13:25.14`	`Spejnar`	`D&D was okay but lots I didnt like about it`
`13:25.23`	`Wobin`	`I like WoW`
`13:25.30`	`Wobin`	`because I'm used to the ideosyncracies`
`13:25.34`	`olafski`	`I wonder how the APB stuff with the user created content works out.. seems like a nice idea as long as you don't have to pay extra to get better weapons etc`
`13:25.47`	`Wobin`	`It'd take too long to get used to the 'bits that irritate' in other MMOs`
`13:25.49`	`Spejnar`	`im not even gonna google that word`
`13:25.53`	`zenzio`	`I love WoW, but I long for another sci-fi MMO that captures my attention like Anarchy Online did`
`13:25.53`	`Wobin`	`also, WoW has the most acessible API`
`13:26.06`	`Spejnar`	`im hoping swtor will bring something fun`
`13:26.08`	`Wobin`	`which means I can -change- stuff I get irritated by`
`13:26.22`	`Spejnar`	`kinda what we did in SB, we killed everyone else`
`13:26.23`	`Spejnar`	`was fun`
`13:26.24`	`Wobin`	`which means I'm more forgiving about the flaws`
`13:27.01`	`airtonix`	`modern games dont bring fun they engineer despair.`
`13:27.17`	`airtonix`	`but you can repair that with monthly payments`
`13:29.28`	`miica`	`so i need to make frame where i add scrollframe and then add normal frame with widht and height in scrollframe +slider`
`13:30.39`	`miica`	`then i add buttonts etc inside frame which is inside scrollframe :D`
`13:30.40`	`miica`	`or?`
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`13:51.08`	`Kraps`	`will swtor be fun for non-star wars people?`
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`13:51.28`	`airtonix`	`no`
`13:51.31`	`Spejnar`	`I hope so`
`13:52.32`	`Kaso`	`kotor was amazingly fun to anyone familar with rpgs, but who knows how tor will end up`
`13:53.14`	`Spejnar`	`the new fighting trailer was actually rather nice`
`13:53.17`	`Spejnar`	`"new"`
`13:53.21`	`Spejnar`	`inb4 "old"`
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`14:04.31`	`miica`	`asd help me short table :<`
`14:05.07`	`miica`	`if i got table like this "table = {["Seppo"] = 12, ["Jorma"] = 1} and i wanna short them that number 1 comes 1st`
`14:08.38`	`foxlit`	`miica: associative maps don't have "first" elements.`
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`14:09.30`	`foxlit`	`So you really won't be able to sort them directly. You could create a helper table, containing the keys from the original, and sort those.`
`14:09.36`	`foxlit`	`sort of like`
`14:10.30`	`Fisker`	`foxlit`
`14:10.41`	`foxlit`	`lua> t={["Seppo"] = 12, ["Jorma"] = 1}; h = {}; for k in pairs(t) do h[#h+1] = k; end table.sort(h, function(a,b) return t[a] < t[b] end); for i=1,#h do print(h[i], t[h[i]]); end`
`14:10.42`	`lua_bot`	`foxlit: Jorma, 1, Seppo, 12`
`14:10.44`	`Kraps`	`pvp weapons are only available with team ratings?`
`14:11.10`	`foxlit`	`Kraps: that would seem to the the case`
`14:12.06`	`Fisker`	`i will find you foxlit`
`14:12.13`	`foxlit`	`unlikely, Fisker.`
`14:12.30`	`Fisker`	`:(`
`14:13.52`	`airtonix`	`miica, you can seend all dontations for foxlit to my bank account`
`14:14.02`	`Kraps`	`http://www.wowhead.com/item=41401 can proc on Levitate :p`
`14:14.30`	`foxlit`	`Kraps: well, it is a spell, and you cast it :)`
`14:14.46`	`Kraps`	`yup`
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`14:16.16`	`Kraps`	`i really like healing bgs`
`14:16.38`	`foxlit`	`Kraps: Meh.`
`14:16.44`	`foxlit`	`It's an exercise in frustration`
`14:17.03`	`foxlit`	`although it does have its moments`
`14:17.23`	`Kraps`	`on the contrary, healing instances is way more frustrating imo`
`14:17.34`	`foxlit`	`!?`
`14:17.45`	`foxlit`	`You tend to accumulate a zoo of everyone's pets while healing, and you're lucky if DPS help you when you're being focused.`
`14:18.02`	`foxlit`	`On the other hand, instance healing is more or less down to you and the tank, and tanks tend to be competent`
`14:18.28`	`Kraps`	`positioning is key`
`14:19.56`	`foxlit`	`To some degree.`
`14:21.29`	`Kraps`	`AB fail`
`14:23.04`	`Kraps`	`dying in a bgs is less frustrating than in an instance`
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`14:33.12`	`Wobin`	`in an instance positioning is definitely key`
`14:35.15`	`Spejnar`	`meh, hopefully they manage to make CC viable again, now you just aoe tank everything, even with a half-decent tank`
`14:36.00`	`Kraps`	`Spejnar: no such thing, either a good tank or a terrible one`
`14:36.26`	`Spejnar`	`ofc not`
`14:38.48`	`Kraps`	`bleh, i hate wsg`
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`14:46.36`	`miica`	`airtonix: :F`
`14:47.16`	`Kraps`	`http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/13200228490/the-quagmire/`
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`14:49.01`	`airtonix`	`unimpressed standover man is unimpressed`
`14:49.33`	`miica`	`airtonix: thank you it works nice <3`
`14:52.31`	`miica`	`airtonix: i dont understand this table.sort(h, function(a,b) return t[a] < t[b] end); where that t comes to t[a] is it like t = table?`
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`14:53.07`	`Cide`	`www.lua.org/pil`
`14:53.08`	`airtonix`	`miica, t was your list.`
`14:53.36`	`miica`	`oops yeah.. :P`
`14:54.08`	`miica`	`but function a,b comes from h`
`14:54.26`	`airtonix`	`h is the result of sorting`
`14:54.45`	`airtonix`	`the function is called for each item in t`
`14:55.19`	`airtonix`	`passing the current item of t as a and then the next item after that as b i believe`
`14:55.28`	`miica`	`yeah but when there is that sort function(a,b) those a, b values comes from table h? :P`
`14:55.35`	`airtonix`	`no from t`
`14:55.52`	`airtonix`	`the output of the function goes into h`
`14:55.55`	`miica`	`but we dont give t for sort function? :P`
`14:55.57`	`Adys`	`http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/586894848`
`14:56.35`	`airtonix`	`ah yes i missed that first sorting... sort works on h`
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`15:10.23`	`Kraps`	`a rogue withough tricks >.<`
`15:10.32`	`Kraps`	`without*`
`15:10.39`	`airtonix`	`maybe its a thief`
`15:10.44`	`Spejnar`	`if I get any blessing in a random im thrilled`
`15:10.53`	`Spejnar`	`even if its wisdom as a icc geared hunter`
`15:11.02`	`Spejnar`	`why would anyone think kings is good`
`15:12.17`	`olafski`	`insert joke about the intelligence of the average hunter player`
`15:12.44`	`Spejnar`	`dun apply to me so go head`
`15:12.50`	`Spejnar`	`ahead`
`15:17.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`contemplates computer upgrades to make WoW playable again. Hmmmm.`
`15:17.33`	`airtonix`	`oh lol`
`15:18.25`	`Gagorian`	`To make WoW actually playable computer upgrades aren't enough..`
`15:19.07`	`Spejnar`	`wow works on anything, hell even my laptop`
`15:19.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, I hear you. Wrath has had issues, I'm sure Cata will require more from my poor belabored computer.`
`15:22.18`	`cog\|work`	`RAWR`
`15:23.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Rawr to you too. :P`
`15:23.50`	`Spejnar`	`rawr is awesome`
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`15:24.03`	`Kraps`	`fucking impressive`
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`15:24.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Rawr means 'I love you' in dinosaur`
`15:25.37`	`Wobin`	`Rawr also means "I love you with a fine red wine and dipping sauce" in dinosaur`
`15:25.41`	`Kraps`	`after the bear tank died to devourers face beam, the warrior and rogue, who had never been in FoS, finished him off`
`15:25.47`	`airtonix`	`not "oh shit im hungry and ima nom you" ?`
`15:26.11`	`cog\|work`	`all of the above... dinos are kinky`
`15:26.11`	`Spejnar`	`Kraps: we usually try to kill each other, much more fun`
`15:26.58`	`Kraps`	`Spejnar: in a pug? ;p`
`15:28.21`	`miica`	`can i make functions inside functions?`
`15:28.30`	`miica`	`and call them somehow`
`15:28.46`	`miica`	`like if i have bidlista function and i wanna make repaint inside it`
`15:29.14`	`Gagorian`	`yes you can but not necessarily recommended`
`15:29.16`	`jnwhiteh`	`a.) you can always define a function, b.) you can call them.`
`15:29.21`	`jnwhiteh`	`c.) you're probably doing it wrong =)`
`15:29.56`	`miica`	`hmm.. :/`
`15:29.59`	`Gagorian`	`local bla = function() dostuff() end`
`15:30.01`	`Gagorian`	`bla()`
`15:30.20`	`cog\|work`	`every time you do that you're creaiting a brand new function`
`15:30.27`	`cog\|work`	`that will be garbage collected`
`15:30.29`	`Gagorian`	`indeed`
`15:30.33`	`Spejnar`	`Kraps: naw, usually a few guildies. Id never give a PUG the benefit of the doubt to kill the boss if we kill a few of the players`
`15:30.56`	`cog\|work`	`better to have a separate function in a broader scope and pass it parameters unless you actually need to pass that function around`
`15:30.57`	`Spejnar`	`the pugs however usually kill me`
`15:31.36`	`Kraps`	`lol`
`15:31.50`	`Spejnar`	`they dont like me doing 40%+ of the dmg, they feel angry at me :(`
`15:31.52`	`Kraps`	`i was just really impressed`
`15:34.21`	`airtonix`	`so its only fun for you when you know you'll win it easy`
`15:34.29`	`airtonix`	`otherwise you make it unfun for others`
`15:36.35`	`miica`	`can I destroy frame childrens somehow?`
`15:36.52`	`airtonix`	`no`
`15:37.17`	`airtonix`	`hidden frames don't process events though`
`15:37.27`	`miica`	`but they eat memory?`
`15:37.41`	`durcyn`	`who told you that, airtonix`
`15:37.41`	`jnwhiteh`	`hidden frames most CERTAINLy process events`
`15:37.43`	`Shirik`	`if you're thinking about that, you need to stop it`
`15:37.54`	`Shirik`	`Chances are you don't need to be concerned with memory`
`15:37.54`	`airtonix`	`haste told me`
`15:37.58`	`jnwhiteh`	`no, you can't destroy frames, and no you don't need to`
`15:38.04`	`jnwhiteh`	`haste probably didn't, because that's wrong.`
`15:38.18`	`airtonix`	`no he actually did, its in the ouf forum`
`15:38.19`	`jnwhiteh`	`hidden frames will not have their OnUpdate handlers called`
`15:38.20`	`Shirik`	`haste probably said OnUpdate doesn't get fired`
`15:38.24`	`jnwhiteh`	`but that is different`
`15:38.35`	`jnwhiteh`	`that is COMPLETELY different from events not firing.`
`15:39.07`	`airtonix`	`glad you that distinction out the way then`
`15:39.10`	`airtonix`	`got*`
`15:39.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`...`
`15:39.22`	`airtonix`	`lol`
`15:39.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`you told someone something that was misleading and wrong`
`15:39.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`why would I not say something about it?`
`15:39.39`	`haste`	`oUF's OnEvent handler drops out if the frame is hidden`
`15:39.43`	`haste`	`might be confusion due to that`
`15:39.53`	`jnwhiteh`	`most likely`
`15:40.03`	`jnwhiteh`	`but they're def not the same thing :P`
`15:41.37`	`haste`	`yep`
`15:42.20`	`haste`	`airtonix: I try to mention that oUF's handler doesn't process OnEvents if I haven't let me know where`
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`15:43.48`	`airtonix`	`i think thats my confusion then`
`15:43.50`	`miica`	`so hmm..`
`15:44.18`	`miica`	`which is best way to make list of buttons or labels and without alwyas creating new buttons`
`15:44.32`	`miica`	`i add them in table and edit them?`
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`15:45.43`	`Lunessa`	`STATION!`
`15:45.48`	`jnwhiteh`	`not sure what you mean by 'edit' them`
`15:45.54`	`airtonix`	`properties ?`
`15:45.55`	`jnwhiteh`	`but you can create a row of buttons or labels, and then access them later`
`15:46.04`	`jnwhiteh`	`to change the text, textures, etc.`
`15:46.08`	`jnwhiteh`	`its a very common pattern`
`15:47.58`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Morning, Lunessa. You seem very emphatic today.`
`15:48.57`	`Lunessa`	`Lopeppeppy: Trying to generate some enthusiasm for a long work day. How am I doing?`
`15:49.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Well, you're loud, if that's a measure of enthusiasm.`
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`16:14.46`	`Shirik`	`ha`
`16:14.51`	`Shirik`	`I just looked at my credit report`
`16:14.56`	`Shirik`	`I have a lot more credit than I thought`
`16:15.03`	`Shirik`	`there's a billion lines on it with "PAYS AS AGREED"`
`16:16.00`	`Bruners`	`didn't think you where old enough to have credit`
`16:16.08`	`Shirik`	`I'm 23...`
`16:17.15`	`Lunessa`	`Credit as all about paying your bills on time.`
`16:17.38`	`cog\|work`	`and not having too much credit in use`
`16:17.51`	`Lunessa`	`Yeah.`
`16:18.07`	`cog\|work`	`i've got my house now... i don't need credit anymore ><`
`16:18.34`	`Shirik`	`I do have something strange on my report though`
`16:18.36`	`Shirik`	`dododo`
`16:19.03`	`Shirik`	`but a bunch of green stars :) I guess I should be happy for a student in mounds of debt`
`16:19.14`	`airtonix`	`it means you've been trading in extinct birds`
`16:19.33`	`Wobin`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:20.09`	`airtonix`	`the romans knew that to create a good stock of slaves you had o engineer debit`
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`16:21.33`	`cog\|work`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s`
`16:25.27`	`Shirik`	`I like the verification questions they ask you when you're trying to pull up your report`
`16:25.30`	`Cide`	`this sucks`
`16:25.42`	`Cide`	`losing 3 games in a row makes me angry`
`16:25.53`	`cog\|work`	`do the qt 4 dance. it'll make you feel better`
`16:25.56`	`airtonix`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:25.58`	`Shirik`	`"You opened a credit card in __/__. What is the current credit limit on that account?" off on the right side: "FAQ: What is a credit limit?"`
`16:26.09`	`Shirik`	`If you need that FAQ, you do not deserve credit`
`16:26.28`	`airtonix`	`Shirik, did you record that kind of information ?`
`16:26.43`	`Shirik`	`I only have one credit card so it was an easy question`
`16:28.55`	`Cide`	`cog\|work: it only makes me more angry`
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`16:44.24`	`Shirik`	`This payment is still processing. Payment details will be available on or after the Deliver By date.`
`16:44.30`	`Shirik`	`Deliver by: 05/09/2010`
`16:44.33`	`Shirik`	`YOU ARE LYING TO ME`
`16:44.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`tells a whopper!`
`16:46.27`	`cog\|work`	`tells a double whopper with cheese`
`16:46.39`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`adds bacon`
`16:46.57`	`cog\|work`	`holds the lettuce, tomatoes, and onions, adds extra mayo, and orders a diet coke`
`16:47.38`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`asks if cog\|work wants fries with that`
`16:47.48`	`Lopeppeppy`	`... this diet is going to kill be before it makes me better. I would mug you for that burger, Cog.`
`16:48.05`	`Cide`	`how is that lying?`
`16:48.06`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`gets the pepper spray`
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`16:48.17`	`Cide`	`it's either available at the deliver by date, or it's available some time after the deliver by date`
`16:48.28`	`Cide`	`clearly the latter case may still be true, unless you never receive the money ever`
`16:48.40`	`Cide`	`or receive the payment details rather`
`16:57.53`	`Legorol`	`does SC2 work on mac now?`
`16:57.57`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`16:57.58`	`Shirik`	`Cide`
`16:58.04`	`Shirik`	`I missed the "or after"`
`16:58.07`	`Shirik`	`wtf kind of crap is that`
`16:58.24`	`Cide`	`no idea`
`16:58.27`	`Cide`	`it sounds pretty stupid`
`16:58.29`	`Shirik`	`that's approximately equal to "Payment details will be available Soonâ¢"`
`16:59.05`	`Cide`	`yup`
`17:04.39`	`zenzelezz`	`"The File /var/www/lib/third-party/mobile-wurfl/wurfl-php-1.r2/WURFL/memcache does not exist!!!"`
`17:04.46`	`zenzelezz`	`now that's a message I've not seen on Facebook before`
`17:06.21`	`nevcairiel`	`you havent seen errors on facebook before? are you on there today the first time?`
`17:06.35`	`zenzelezz`	`I said that one`
`17:07.01`	`nevcairiel`	`not only that their general attitude towards everything sucks, they also have horrible code`
`17:07.54`	`Lunessa`	`is craving a cheeseburger. THANKS GUYS.`
`17:08.46`	`Kraps`	`Lunessa`
`17:08.49`	`Kraps`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/`
`17:08.51`	`cbreak`	`Legorol: yes. Sort of.`
`17:09.03`	`cbreak`	`it works until you want to exit it, then it freezes.`
`17:09.15`	`Lunessa`	`Kraps: Don't make me destroy you. :P`
`17:11.19`	`Kraps`	`awwwww http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/128935348227189266.jpg`
`17:11.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`At least you can eat one, Lunessa. I can only dream!`
`17:11.52`	`Lunessa`	`Foodz, I don't haz them yet.`
`17:12.52`	`Kraps`	`I eated them`
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`17:17.18`	`Lopeppeppy`	`You should eat breakfast. wise nod`
`17:18.18`	`Lunessa`	`nod I totally should.`
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`17:20.10`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Techcrunch/~3/9MZ1WUkZscw/`
`17:20.40`	`Kraps`	`i haz pizza Lunessa`
`17:21.10`	`Lunessa`	`moves the Death Star into position to destroy Kraps .`
`17:21.16`	`Kraps`	`AHHH`
`17:21.21`	`Kraps`	`WAIT`
`17:21.22`	`nevcairiel`	`why would i want yet nother service that just publishes all my information <.<`
`17:21.26`	`nevcairiel`	`+a`
`17:21.28`	`airtonix`	`muwahaha`
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`17:22.16`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`nevcairiel: why not`
`17:22.25`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`shrugs`
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`17:23.01`	`sylvanaar_atwork`	`is a beta whore`
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`17:28.49`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'm the alpha. wink`
`17:28.50`	`Kraps_`	`test`
`17:28.56`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh hi.`
`17:29.02`	`Lunessa`	`crash`
`17:29.17`	`zenzelezz`	`bows before Lopeppeppy`
`17:29.24`	`Kraps_`	`i cant change my nixk`
`17:30.30`	`Kraps_`	`sooo`
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`17:31.54`	`cog\|work`	`What alpha?</nda>`
`17:32.17`	`zenzelezz`	`the alpha female, fool`
`17:32.44`	`cog\|work`	`gg my brain`
`17:32.49`	`cog\|work`	`inserting extra words in sentences`
`17:32.53`	`zenzelezz`	`:)`
`17:32.58`	`Kraps`	`cog\|work: http://tinyurl.com/27m76fl`
`17:33.15`	`Lopeppeppy`	`That was a nicer word, zenzelezz. :)`
`17:33.46`	`cog\|work`	`http://www.cracked.com/article_18529_6-absurd-gender-stereotypes-that-science-says-are-true_p1.html`
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`17:43.36`	`Cide`	`why do we need cracked to tell us what we have intuitively known for decades? :O`
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`17:46.12`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`because they do it with barely funny jokes?`
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`17:48.44`	`Cide`	`I suppos`
`17:48.45`	`Cide`	`e`
`17:49.35`	`Adys`	`Small request`
`17:49.36`	`Adys`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/utils/talents/#k=.91n.rogue`
`17:49.39`	`Adys`	`I need feedback`
`17:49.56`	`Adys`	`(not so much on style, I still need to center it and add hover effects)`
`17:50.06`	`Adys`	`but usability feedback`
`17:50.14`	`Shadowed`	`ugly`
`17:50.38`	`Shadowed`	`green borders should be slightly smaller`
`17:50.46`	`Shadowed`	`it looks weird having green + immediately grey`
`17:50.47`	`Alram`	`i liked dinnerbone's talent calc more`
`17:50.50`	`Adys`	`I SAID NOT ON STYLE GTFO`
`17:50.51`	`Alram`	`oh wait`
`17:50.53`	`Alram`	`:V`
`17:51.03`	`Shadowed`	`also buttons could use some sort of on down keypress`
`17:51.16`	`Shadowed`	`(that's usability)`
`17:51.26`	`Shadowed`	`and for glyphs`
`17:51.28`	`Adys`	`what do you mean?`
`17:51.55`	`Fisker`	`why is there a shift-shortcut to substract points but not a shift-shortcut to add points?`
`17:52.01`	`Shirik`	`cog\|work: The "color" thing is really interesting`
`17:52.13`	`Fisker`	`What if i modded my one-button mac mouse to only do rightclicks?`
`17:52.18`	`Shadowed`	`It looks weird because you have no effect indicating you mouseovered or pushed a button`
`17:52.47`	`Adys`	`[20:49:53] <Adys> (not so much on style, I still need to center it and add hover effects)`
`17:52.48`	`Adys`	`dude`
`17:52.58`	`Adys`	`you need to fix your css for your irc client`
`17:53.02`	`Shadowed`	`reading is too hard`
`17:53.04`	`Adys`	`you seem to have half my msgs on display: none`
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`17:53.19`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Sometimes style is part of usability. :)`
`17:53.30`	`Shadowed`	`it is!`
`17:53.41`	`Shadowed`	`Also you said hover, not on click`
`17:53.48`	`Adys`	`Lopeppeppy: yeah, but I asked about this specifically because I'm already working on it =P`
`17:54.15`	`Shadowed`	`Also your arrows to indicate you need X talent to get Y goes under the green border`
`17:54.19`	`cog\|work`	`Shirik: it certainly demystifies the 12% color-blindness rate among males`
`17:54.23`	`Shadowed`	`It seems fine in usability thought`
`17:54.31`	`Shadowed`	`Mostly just style that is off`
`17:54.32`	`Shirik`	`yup`
`17:54.40`	`Shirik`	`wow it's really that high?`
`17:54.53`	`Lopeppeppy`	`How do I fill in my glyphs, if it's not by clicking on the spots?`
`17:54.57`	`Shirik`	`feels special now`
`17:55.05`	`Adys`	`Lopeppeppy: it is by clicking on the spots`
`17:55.07`	`Shadowed`	`It seems like it lags a little when unlocking higher tiers of talents Adys`
`17:55.08`	`Adys`	`it doesnt work for you?`
`17:55.12`	`Shadowed`	`Also`
`17:55.21`	`Shadowed`	`Given how few glyphs there are, you should just have a checkbox of sorts`
`17:55.22`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Adys, that is not working for me. This is the work browser with nothing blocked.`
`17:55.32`	`Adys`	`Lopeppeppy: ua?`
`17:55.32`	`Shadowed`	`List all the major glyphs and give them check boxes next to each one that lets them select what glyphs they want to show`
`17:55.52`	`Lopeppeppy`	`(No AdBlock, no NoScript, nothing). UA means what in your context?`
`17:55.59`	`Shadowed`	`user agent`
`17:55.59`	`Adys`	`user agent, sorry`
`17:56.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Unfamiliar, so no. :)`
`17:56.12`	`cog\|work`	`Shirik: wiki says 8%`
`17:56.12`	`durcyn`	`guessing firefox based on those addon names`
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`17:56.23`	`cog\|work`	`compared to 0.5% female`
`17:56.35`	`durcyn`	`"wiki says" is the new "take it with a saltlick"`
`17:57.00`	`Adys`	`Shadowed: I was thinking of making it a menu widget`
`17:57.06`	`Adys`	`bit of a checkbox i guess you can say that`
`17:57.13`	`cog\|work`	`durcyn: or more like "follow the citations"`
`17:57.31`	`Shadowed`	`If no glyphs, let them mass select what glyphs they want to show, if they click on a glyph let them only select one Adys`
`17:58.01`	`Adys`	`i need a flowchart for that line`
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`17:58.42`	`Shadowed`	`fail`
`17:59.02`	`Shadowed`	`If someone is first entering there glyphs, let them mass select the 3 they want. The next time they click on it, let them only select one glyph to replace that slot`
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`18:09.00`	`zenzelezz`	`"Several readers have sent word of a Twitter bug which has been allowing users to make any other user follow them by simply tweeting "accept (username)". People have been abusing it to make the accounts of various celebrities and publications follow them. Twitter acknowledged the bug and disabled the follow/unfollow system until they can get it fixed."`
`18:09.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And also set everyone's counts to zero. sadpanda`
`18:14.25`	`Lunessa`	`Panda is sad / Tears like gentle rain / Eat more bamboo`
`18:16.00`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Eucalyptus gets you high though.`
`18:16.17`	`alestane`	`Or at least clears your sinuses.`
`18:17.12`	`Lopeppeppy`	`My sinuses are doing okay right now, thanks.`
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`18:18.33`	`alestane`	`"Did you see what flavor of cough drops he was buying?"`
`18:18.42`	`alestane`	`"Tangerine eucalyptus."`
`18:18.47`	`Lunessa`	`Mmmmmmmm`
`18:18.56`	`Adys`	`Shadowed: yeha, I see`
`18:19.08`	`alestane`	`"It could have been an orangutang," observed the detective, "That's the flavor they like."`
`18:19.23`	`Adys`	`Shadowed: ill do that`
`18:20.06`	`Lunessa`	`"And lo did the people feast upon the lamb, and the orangutang and the breakfast cereals."`
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`18:24.05`	`alestane`	`Sometime if you're looking for something light to read, check out Daniel Pinkwater's highly amusing youth book, "The Snarkout Boys and the Avocado of Death."`
`18:24.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`mmmm.... avocado`
`18:24.57`	`Shadowed`	`Also you should be able to just pass a compressed talent tree + glyph internal ids Adys`
`18:24.59`	`Shadowed`	`thanks`
`18:25.17`	`Adys`	`Shadowed: you can?`
`18:26.27`	`Shadowed`	`oh`
`18:26.28`	`Shadowed`	`good`
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`18:36.52`	`Fisker`	`hey Shadowed`
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`18:40.13`	`olafski`	`anyone happen to know if a dissertation is the same as a phd thesis? my interwebs seems to be broken apart from connections which already exist`
`18:40.36`	`alestane`	`The two terms are often used interchangably when discussing doctorates.`
`18:40.38`	`Dagmar`	`One can be the other but thye're not the same`
`18:41.03`	`Dagmar`	`If you're writing a final thesis that's not a dissertation, your diploma will probably be xeroxed.`
`18:41.05`	`Dagmar`	`;)`
`18:41.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Best to ask your advisor.`
`18:41.34`	`Dagmar`	`The important thing about that final thesis is that it's supposed to be new ground you've broken.`
`18:41.36`	`olafski`	`I'm writing a MSc thesis so it doesn't apply to me.. just trying to properly attribute something to a member of my committee ;)`
`18:41.39`	`Lunessa`	`Some Masters degrees requite a thesis or dissertation, but not all.`
`18:42.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ask them which word applies.`
`18:42.46`	`olafski`	`yeah probably should.. they take about 3 days to respond to easy questions and a week to hard (i.e. can't answer within 2 minutes) questions`
`18:44.46`	`Fisker`	`btw`
`18:44.53`	`Fisker`	`today i learned a new way of arguing`
`18:45.11`	`Dagmar`	`One that involves coherent argumentation?`
`18:45.19`	`Fisker`	`no the exact opposite infact`
`18:45.28`	`Dagmar`	`So, troll argumentation then.`
`18:45.30`	`Lopeppeppy`	`That's not new for you, Fisker.`
`18:45.35`	`Fisker`	`If something isn't like i want it then i just say i define it as such`
`18:45.44`	`Dagmar`	`Fallacious.`
`18:45.53`	`Fisker`	`For example spyware is something that without your knowledge gathers information about you`
`18:46.01`	`Dagmar`	`Well, probably fallacious`
`18:46.02`	`Fisker`	`But my definition spyware is what i don't like`
`18:46.09`	`Fisker`	`definition of*`
`18:46.10`	`Dagmar`	`Just call it malware then`
`18:46.16`	`Fisker`	`So i can say everything is spyware!`
`18:46.25`	`Fisker`	`stop being so spyware Dagmar`
`18:46.32`	`Dagmar`	`Calling it malware would be a more reasonable bend of the term.`
`18:46.42`	`Fisker`	`spyware can't talk :(`
`18:46.59`	`Dagmar`	`Spyware probably can't enjoy breaking your fingers, one by one.`
`18:47.18`	`Fisker`	`i sure hope not`
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`18:49.49`	`alestane`	`Fisker ofetn makes me think of the prince's line in this comic: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/12/3/`
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`18:53.10`	`airtonix`	`wut?`
`18:53.39`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah I'm not getting it either`
`18:53.51`	`alestane`	`Something about smoldering with generic rage.`
`18:53.59`	`Adys`	`i think thats totally fisker`
`18:54.35`	`airtonix`	`1) it has no forward slash 2) its more than one word 3) i'll think of one soon`
`18:58.04`	`zenzelezz`	`at about level 20, do paladins only have Blessing of Might, or are they all being funny buffing my mage with that?`
`18:58.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`They may be being funny, I don't remember.`
`18:58.28`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Or they may be helping you with your unarmed skill!`
`18:58.45`	`airtonix`	`CONSULT THE BOOK OF SOMETHINGSOMETHINGSOMETHING.COM`
`18:58.58`	`airtonix`	`sighs`
`18:59.11`	`airtonix`	`oh yeah wowhead`
`18:59.14`	`Esamynn`	`zenzelezz: they should get Wisdom at 14`
`18:59.48`	`Dagmar`	`Most of them don't get it until about 25-30`
`18:59.50`	`olafski`	`kings at 16`
`18:59.52`	`olafski`	`afaik?`
`18:59.59`	`Esamynn`	`20, says wowhead`
`19:00.02`	`olafski`	`ah`
`19:00.17`	`airtonix`	`purl should retrieve factoids about buffs & items imo`
`19:00.25`	`olafski`	`might be they haven't visited a trainer yet`
`19:01.28`	`Esamynn`	`purl isn't specific to our channel, purl is just a general IRC bot`
`19:01.28`	`purl`	`Esamynn: what are you talking about?`
`19:01.36`	`Esamynn`	`~botsnack`
`19:01.36`	`purl`	`:), Esamynn`
`19:02.02`	`Kalroth_`	`~~~~`
`19:02.02`	`purl`	`ARGH!!! STOP IT kalroth_!!!`
`19:02.54`	`Esamynn`	`~lart Kalroth_`
`19:02.54`	`purl`	`beats Kalroth_ severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken`
`19:03.01`	`Kalroth_`	`:(`
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`19:04.59`	`Krapsy`	`the devourer of souls has a female voice?`
`19:05.14`	`Krapsy`	`i dont think i've ever heard it`
`19:05.30`	`Adys`	`you dare look upon the host of souls`
`19:06.45`	`alestane`	`Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Devourer's voice is done by an actress.`
`19:06.57`	`alestane`	`The devourer itself is fairly asexual.`
`19:07.08`	`Dagmar`	`There's multiple voice actors, because there's multiple faces`
`19:07.17`	`Dagmar`	`...either that or someone does a really good pitch shift.`
`19:07.27`	`Dagmar`	`Host of _souls_. Plural.`
`19:07.36`	`alestane`	`Devourer. Singular.`
`19:07.48`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah but I'm pretty sure I've been hearing different voices`
`19:08.02`	`alestane`	`There's DSP on there too, for some clips.`
`19:08.13`	`Dagmar`	`...depending on which face is doing the ass-kicking at the moment`
`19:08.28`	`alestane`	`But there are definitely VOAs out there who could handle that.`
`19:10.55`	`olafski`	`the female voice says something like "stare into the abyss and see your end"`
`19:11.20`	`Krapsy`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43NJmbkwmzY`
`19:12.38`	`Dagmar`	`Okay so I suspect it's safe to say we're in agreement that it at least _sounds_ like different people then`
`19:13.09`	`Dagmar`	`I mean I got the distinct impression from the 25 or so times throught here that that boss is supposed to have three major personalities`
`19:13.21`	`Dagmar`	`I stopped listening to the words at least`
`19:13.44`	`Lunessa`	`The one voice actress they having doing most of the end-game female villains is terrible.`
`19:13.50`	`Dagmar`	`I mainly remember "chick equals dwarf in spotlight--spotlight BAD"`
`19:14.25`	`Dagmar`	`No joke, like half the time I'm the s.o.b. that thing centers on, and I invariably ran the wrong way until I learned to just stop and wait to see`
`19:15.02`	`Dagmar`	`You can run through it and live, but trying to run ahead of it == extra crispy dwarf`
`19:15.13`	`alestane`	`You mean Wailing Souls?`
`19:15.47`	`Dagmar`	`Not sure. The one where she stops turning, picks one random member, starts firing a continuous beam at them and slowly rotates about ninety degrees in a sweep`
`19:16.06`	`alestane`	`I think that's Wailing Souls.`
`19:16.17`	`Dagmar`	`Like three times in a row she picked me one day when we were learning that one`
`19:16.21`	`Dagmar`	`I thought it was pretty racists.`
`19:16.24`	`Dagmar`	`er racist.`
`19:16.34`	`alestane`	`And yes, if you run ahead of it, it just stays fixed panning on you and roasts you.`
`19:16.55`	`Dagmar`	`Well, it's a matter of you can't really outrun it unless you're close enough to just run through her to the other side`
`19:16.57`	`alestane`	`And the emote is indeed "Stare into the abyss and see your end.`
`19:17.01`	`Dagmar`	`Being a hunter, I'm never that close`
`19:17.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol, i think someone did a humorous mistype "Cairenn\|fak"`
`19:17.46`	`Krapsy`	`it doesnt move fast`
`19:18.00`	`Dagmar`	`Krapsy: Yeah but the further away you are, the longer the arc is`
`19:18.25`	`Dagmar`	`I've gotten into the habit of using disengage there if I think I picked the wrong way to run`
`19:18.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`dolby: you going to set up a 4.0 section on wowi?`
`19:18.49`	`dolby`	`yeah once NDA is dropped :)`
`19:19.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`dolby: i mean for addons`
`19:19.08`	`dolby`	`aye`
`19:19.14`	`alestane`	`See previous comment?`
`19:19.24`	`cog\|work`	`addons could potentially expose things covered under NDA`
`19:19.34`	`Seerah`	`nod`
`19:19.45`	`Seerah`	`see previous comment. :)`
`19:19.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`well are you going to set up a section for people in the alpha for testing/playing purposes?`
`19:20.15`	`alestane`	`The alpha for Lich King didn't load add-ons.`
`19:20.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`really?`
`19:20.24`	`Seerah`	`I doubt it... the alpha could change so much anyway`
`19:20.34`	`cog\|work`	`really really`
`19:20.38`	`dolby`	`we will have to see what we can do Thunder_Child. will have Cairenn\|fak talk to teh ppl at blizz`
`19:20.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`^_^ dolby`
`19:21.02`	`dolby`	`but i doubt we will be allowed to do anything`
`19:21.07`	`dolby`	`doesnt hurt to ask tho`
`19:21.16`	`Dagmar`	`That's true.`
`19:21.33`	`Dagmar`	`I don't think there's anyone serious about the game who would consider pissing off the NDA for even a millisecond`
`19:21.47`	`Fisker`	`Thunder_Child`
`19:22.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker:`
`19:22.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/://`
`19:22.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`And I think if you post your addon as "working with the alpha", would that not automatically be breaking a NDA by implication? So really... what purpose would an addons section have?`
`19:22.26`	`Dagmar`	`If they said the letter 'q' was covered by NDA I might consider remapping my keys`
`19:23.09`	`alestane`	`I think they could only restrict its use in connection with The Covered Service.`
`19:23.38`	`dolby`	`in the past they have dropped the NDA while in beta and this allowed AddOn authors to test their AddOns.`
`19:24.30`	`cog\|work`	`Lopeppeppy: yeah, if the NDA says you can't even acknowledge the existence of the alpha`
`19:25.13`	`alestane`	`I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of an alpha.`
`19:25.47`	`Dagmar`	`alestane++`
`19:26.26`	`cog\|work`	`you could, but then you'd have to kill us :P`
`19:26.33`	`KarlKFI\|work`	`the problem is that no one actually says that if they want to deny it...`
`19:27.07`	`KarlKFI\|work`	`you dont sing an NDA for a product that doesn't exist to say you cant talka bout said non-existant product`
`19:27.37`	`Dagmar`	`You dont' remember the Phantom gaming console, do you`
`19:27.50`	`Kenthree`	`does curse check all files manually or something?`
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`19:28.00`	`KarlKFI\|work`	`so even the act of insinuating you have authority to confirm or deny confirms the inquery`
`19:28.22`	`cog\|work`	`unless you lie`
`19:29.02`	`alestane`	`I'm still wondering about the guy who said he was a tester for Diablo III...I'm pretty sure that he was eitehr lying or breaking an NDA.`
`19:29.56`	`KarlKFI\|work`	`I, on the other hand, am not even authorized to disclose, validate or insinuate my ability to confirm or deny the existence or non-existence of any such alpha`
`19:30.56`	`Shirik`	`I love my parents' alarm system. It's a talking system so when you walk in the door it's like it's commanding you "Disarm now!"`
`19:31.09`	`KarlKFI\|work`	`do it or else!`
`19:33.09`	`Dagmar`	`See if you can change it to say... "Alarm disabled. Take your time. Hahah."`
`19:33.38`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`19:34.09`	`Fisker`	`hey Thunder_Child`
`19:34.37`	`Shirik`	`hey Fisker`
`19:34.48`	`KarlKFI\|work`	`oh and so we're clear, not being authorized doesn't preclude the option of not being in any communication whatsoever with owner of such an insinuated alpha nor the option that communication exists but authorization does not exist because general ban on said information has not been leveled.`
`19:37.07`	`Adys`	`"Printing an ERR is not error handling."`
`19:37.14`	`Adys`	`Best quote 2010 nominations`
`19:37.57`	`KarlKFI\|work`	`http://i.imgur.com/2TRdZ.gif`
`19:38.20`	`KarlKFI\|work`	`that's what i will do to you if you print an err`
`19:38.22`	`Shirik`	`wtf is that KarlKFI`
`19:38.51`	`mikma`	`shirik: he is saying bad things about harry potter`
`19:38.59`	`KarlKFI\|work`	`i don't know but it's hilarious`
`19:39.15`	`Shirik`	`btw Thunder_Child`
`19:39.18`	`Shirik`	`you have CS5 right?`
`19:39.29`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Mmmm, CS5 is on order for me....`
`19:39.42`	`Shirik`	`need someone with experience with content aware fill`
`19:40.14`	`Adys`	`Shirik: sup`
`19:40.21`	`Shirik`	`you used it?`
`19:40.29`	`Adys`	`in gimp yes`
`19:40.32`	`Shirik`	`no`
`19:40.33`	`Adys`	`photoshop no`
`19:40.34`	`Shirik`	`fu`
`19:40.39`	`Shirik`	`I want to know how good it is in CS5`
`19:40.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik: yes`
`19:40.51`	`Shirik`	`thoughts on it?`
`19:41.00`	`Shirik`	`That is probably the biggest selling point for me to get CS5 right now`
`19:41.02`	`Adys`	`ITS BAD BECAUSE ADOBE IS EVIL BECAUSE ADOBE IS PROPRIETARY`
`19:41.04`	`Shirik`	`because I do a lot of panos`
`19:41.11`	`dolby`	`loves the roto brush in AE`
`19:41.36`	`Shirik`	`there was another feature in CS5 I wanted but I forgot what it was`
`19:41.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik: good, but needs a bit of work to make it like they said in the videos`
`19:41.38`	`Dagmar`	`Well, I dunno how useful it is for them to be proprietary, but it's definitely not helpful that they're expensive as hell`
`19:41.49`	`Shirik`	`Dagmar: It would cost me like $150`
`19:41.56`	`Shirik`	`easy cash`
`19:42.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik: there is one thing i saw that i still dont know how to do`
`19:42.10`	`Shirik`	`I make that in like a day`
`19:42.36`	`Shirik`	`jesus I really do make that in a day`
`19:42.40`	`Shirik`	`that's scary ._.`
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`19:43.45`	`Krapsy`	`KarlKFI\|work: you reminded me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me0pLNnk1hM&feature=related`
`19:53.29`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`19:53.33`	`Fisker`	`didn't you see the button?`
`19:53.36`	`Shirik`	`Fisker`
`19:53.37`	`Shirik`	`yes I did`
`19:53.40`	`Shirik`	`the gift button`
`19:53.42`	`Shirik`	`I gifted to myself`
`19:53.45`	`Shirik`	`very nice of me to do that`
`19:55.19`	`alestane`	`What will you use from CS5, Peppy? I thought you hated Dreamweaver with a fiery passion. Photoshop?`
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`19:55.59`	`Fisker`	`hey Shirik`
`19:56.01`	`Fisker`	`i hate you`
`19:56.04`	`Shirik`	`k`
`19:56.55`	`Fisker`	`http://steamcommunity.com/id/Fisker/games?tab=all`
`19:56.58`	`Fisker`	`look for rocket knight`
`19:56.59`	`Fisker`	`i win`
`19:57.09`	`Fisker`	`courtesy of Ackis (damn cuntpunter)`
`19:57.50`	`mikma`	`http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/how_star_wars_star_trek_the_matrix_and_harry_potter_are_actually_the_same_movie__1273485422816.jpg`
`19:58.32`	`mikma`	`wobwork: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/zoidberg.jpg`
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`20:02.37`	`Fisker`	`so Shirik`
`20:02.39`	`Fisker`	`what can you do?`
`20:02.43`	`Shirik`	`nothing`
`20:02.45`	`Shirik`	`everything`
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`20:04.44`	`Lunessa`	`KarlKFI: I lol'ed`
`20:05.32`	`alestane`	`I am unclear as to why this person is suddenly pelted with backpacks.`
`20:07.20`	`Lopeppeppy`	`For love.`
`20:08.36`	`Lunessa`	`alestane: Somethings need no reason, simple existence is reason enough.`
`20:09.52`	`alestane`	`If there is a causal sequence there, it eludes me.`
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`20:13.53`	`cog\|work`	`"Yoda Conditions"â the act of using if(constant == variable) instead of if(variable == constant), like if(4 == foo). Because it's like saying "if blue is the sky" or "if tall is the man".`
`20:15.14`	`nevcairiel`	`is that like "String".equals(variable), which is even the recommended way of doing things? :d`
`20:15.33`	`Lunessa`	`When 3 million lines of code you reach, make sense this will.`
`20:17.08`	`Shirik`	`cog\|work: lol`
`20:18.02`	`zenzelezz`	`if "Yoda conditions" ever becomes the official name for it, that will be enough for me to never use them`
`20:18.02`	`cog\|work`	`http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2349378/new-programming-jargon-you-coined`
`20:19.26`	`Shirik`	`I must admit the paradigm is fairly used and as far as I know does not have a name yet`
`20:19.33`	`Shirik`	`it could actually catch on`
`20:20.31`	`Fisker`	`oh lord`
`20:20.56`	`Fisker`	`http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=807806&postcount=639 <-lol'd`
`20:22.21`	`alestane`	`I like "A Duck: A feature added for no other reason than to draw management attention and be removed, thus avoiding unnecessary changes in other aspects of the product."`
`20:23.08`	`olafski`	`I liked that one :)`
`20:23.52`	`Shirik`	`that's a lie`
`20:23.54`	`Shirik`	`~wiki WP:DUCK`
`20:24.09`	`Shirik`	`blah`
`20:24.16`	`Shirik`	`you're supposed to jump to the "duck" part you noob`
`20:24.24`	`Shirik`	`"The duck testâ"if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck"âsuggests that a person can identify an unknown subject by observing that subject's habitual characteristics."`
`20:24.32`	`alestane`	`If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...`
`20:24.46`	`olafski`	`I thought that had something to do with duck speak`
`20:25.35`	`zenzelezz`	`So if she floats, she's either a...`
`20:26.08`	`alestane`	`Shirik: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...`
`20:26.08`	`alestane`	`http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/07/funny-pictures-go-forth-my-minions-2/`
`20:26.08`	`alestane`	`It's probably an evil overlord.`
`20:26.26`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`20:26.52`	`foxlit`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlOBn029b8`
`20:28.08`	`Cairenn`	`station!`
`20:29.08`	`cog\|work`	`no u!`
`20:29.15`	`Cairenn`	`cries`
`20:29.31`	`cog\|work`	`~hug Cairenn`
`20:29.44`	`Cairenn`	`hugs cog\|work`
`20:30.13`	`Shirik`	`what is "station" anyway?`
`20:30.28`	`Cairenn`	`pokes Lunessa ^^`
`20:30.39`	`Lunessa`	`Station.`
`20:30.42`	`durcyn`	`it's from bill and ted, as i recall`
`20:30.46`	`Shirik`	`I get that`
`20:30.48`	`Shirik`	`but what is it`
`20:30.49`	`Shirik`	`oh`
`20:30.50`	`olafski`	`an aggressive way to show that you're online, if the "joins" message isn't enough`
`20:30.56`	`Shirik`	`hey`
`20:30.59`	`Lunessa`	`It's from Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.`
`20:31.09`	`Shirik`	`when I reconnect to my BNC it doesn't tell me when anyone left/joined`
`20:31.14`	`Shirik`	`I rely on Lunessa's "station"s ok?`
`20:31.15`	`Lunessa`	`It was the name of a character who only spoke one word.`
`20:31.34`	`olafski`	`another good reason not to use a bnc for me ;)`
`20:31.55`	`Lopeppeppy`	`It's a way to love Lunessa forever!`
`20:32.00`	`Shirik`	`:D`
`20:32.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`no more fak for you Cairenn?`
`20:32.15`	`Lunessa`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIeFo9zzdVg`
`20:32.15`	`Cairenn`	`olafski: lots of people don't have join/part messages visible, and lots of people are in channel even when they are actually afk, and aren't in channel when it appears they are`
`20:32.20`	`Cairenn`	`Thunder_Child: nope`
`20:32.29`	`olafski`	`cairenn: not sure I see the point`
`20:32.33`	`Shirik`	`LMFAO`
`20:32.38`	`Shirik`	`Fox is such a pile of crap`
`20:32.39`	`Shirik`	`http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/10/porn-wikipedia-illegal-content-remains/`
`20:32.39`	`olafski`	`don't people hide join/part messages for a reason?`
`20:32.45`	`Shirik`	`I can't believe they won't get off this`
`20:32.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`so they dont have to see it`
`20:33.00`	`olafski`	`yeah I thought that was it thunder_child ;)`
`20:33.25`	`Cairenn`	`olafski: doesn't mean they don't want to know when their friends are actually around, just means they don't want to see all the system spam`
`20:33.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`what friends?`
`20:33.40`	`olafski`	`notify list?`
`20:33.59`	`olafski`	`I have join/parts shown because I like to know whether people I address are actually around.. :)`
`20:34.06`	`olafski`	`eh, around meaning "in the channel"`
`20:34.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`i use tab-complete for that`
`20:34.32`	`olafski`	`yeah that works too =)`
`20:34.45`	`Thrae`	`olafski: You can just use tab completion. Normally it won't complete their name if there's not there.`
`20:35.00`	`Thrae`	`They're`
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`20:35.07`	`Thrae`	`Dammit, I'm just not right today`
`20:35.10`	`olafski`	`thrae: my point is that whichever method I use to see if people are around, it won't affect anyone else`
`20:35.15`	`Lunessa`	`Ted Theodore Logan! Bill S. Preston, Esq.! And together they are WYLD STALLIONS! air guitar`
`20:35.48`	`Fisker`	`busstop`
`20:35.57`	`olafski`	`I'll just leave it for now since clearly people disagree with me :P there's always other ways to solve this if it becomes an issue`
`20:36.17`	`Thrae`	`olafski: Oh yes it will. Everytime some does something sub-optimal, a demon gets its wings.`
`20:36.26`	`Thrae`	`someone`
`20:36.35`	`olafski`	`sub optimal is your opinion`
`20:36.37`	`Fisker`	`i'm awesome`
`20:37.19`	`Lunessa`	`Fisker is a sub-optimal use of genetic material?`
`20:37.36`	`olafski`	`I think we can call that a fact =)`
`20:38.27`	`Fisker`	`i agree`
`20:39.07`	`Lunessa`	`ZOMG, does this mean Fisker will be a villain in next season's Dr. Who?`
`20:39.19`	`Fisker`	`naw`
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`20:46.08`	`Lunessa`	`My office mate is playing YouTube clips of Kentucky Fried Movie. It's ... distracting.`
`20:51.03`	`alestane`	`Yeah, it would be.`
`20:52.09`	`alestane`	`All I remember from Kentucky Fried Movie is The Sex Record (Now with Big Jim Slade(tm)!), the trailer for Catholic High School Girls in Trouble, and fragments of the Enter the Dragon spoof.`
`20:52.59`	`Fisker`	`hey alestane`
`20:53.11`	`Lunessa`	`The Enter the Dragon spoofs are what he's playing.`
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`20:53.29`	`alestane`	`Hay is for Fiskers.`
`20:54.17`	`Lunessa`	`"But you would have the opportunity to kill fifty, maybe sixty people."`
`20:57.50`	`zenzelezz`	`"Enter the Dragon" just reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geZoES9KQ-Q (though it's not until around 2:50 it's brought up)`
`21:06.15`	`miica`	`if i put frames in table and clear table later will it also free memory`
`21:08.29`	`zenzelezz`	`frames don't go away`
`21:12.13`	`alestane`	`It could free the memory used for the tabe, but not for the frames.`
`21:14.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`can someone tell me why i can spell reflect a drain life and get more hp back than i lose?`
`21:14.58`	`Arrowmaster`	`Thunder_Child: from a warlock?`
`21:15.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`Arrowmaster: i am the warlock`
`21:15.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh`
`21:15.13`	`Arrowmaster`	`because of fel armor`
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`21:15.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats regain hp`
`21:15.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`i used to always put siphon life on myself in SSC when the trash spell reflected`
`21:15.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`you are thinking demon`
`21:16.04`	`Arrowmaster`	`did they change them?`
`21:17.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`demon does the increas healing and fell is the mire regen`
`21:17.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`i dunno if thats changed though`
`21:17.17`	`alestane`	`The increased health recovery and the health regen over time were swapped.`
`21:17.57`	`zenzelezz`	`warlocks can spell reflect?`
`21:18.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`they can on a boss that casts it`
`21:18.41`	`alestane`	`No, but they can drain life and have it reflected onto themselves, such as by targeting a warrior in Forge of Souls that has Shroud of Runes active.`
`21:18.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`i would always cast unstable affliction whenever something had spell reflect up`
`21:19.00`	`Cide`	`evil`
`21:19.04`	`Cide`	`I like it`
`21:19.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`it worked every time`
`21:19.26`	`Adys`	`Cide: you're evil`
`21:19.29`	`Adys`	`thats why I like you`
`21:21.11`	`alestane`	`How do those two interact? You get mana back when the debuff runs out or something? Or the mob silences itself because it dispelled UA off of itself when it reflected?`
`21:21.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`that still doesnt answer why it isnt a 1:1`
`21:21.26`	`durcyn`	`alestane: no, priests dumb enough to cleanse it get silenced.`
`21:21.50`	`durcyn`	`it's like one long IQ test that 95% of the raiding population fails`
`21:21.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`then they start cursing at me over vent and i laugh`
`21:22.40`	`alestane`	`So if your priests aren't on the ball, you can wipe the raiding by casting UA when reflection is active.`
`21:22.59`	`Arrowmaster`	`i never wiped a raid with it`
`21:23.19`	`Arrowmaster`	`it was mostly just trash then that did it`
`21:23.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`try harder`
`21:23.35`	`durcyn`	`fear is for wiping raids, UA is just to annoy cleansers`
`21:23.58`	`Lunessa`	`Hah. Fear is awesome for CC.`
`21:24.12`	`durcyn`	`i know, but every once in awhile something terrible happens`
`21:24.22`	`durcyn`	`sunwell gauntlet comes to mind`
`21:24.43`	`Lunessa`	`Yeah, well, you could leave Fear out of that equation and it would still be true.`
`21:26.04`	`alestane`	`I think we lost the old rubber-band effect of "whoops, the guy I feared is about to run into other mobs, throw CoR on him so he comes back, then swap it for CoA when he's about to attack again and hope he runs a different way this time."`
`21:26.14`	`alestane`	`Since I think Curse of Recklessness is gone.`
`21:32.50`	`Shirik`	`ew`
`21:32.58`	`Shirik`	`I just heard a rick astley joke that was worse than chuck norris jokes`
`21:40.54`	`alestane`	`http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/dead-fantasy-obsessed/341728 Is it wrong that the thing I'm most impressed with is the fabric momentum modeling on Kasumi's skirt?`
`21:42.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shirik: thats like saying "i just found this pile of shit thats worse than this other pile of shit."`
`21:42.52`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`21:49.08`	`Esamynn`	`Thunder_Child: well said`
`21:49.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`ty`
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`21:53.47`	`Fisker`	`Thunder_Child`
`21:54.18`	`Fisker`	`bitchduck`
`21:57.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker: sure, why not`
`22:01.03`	`cog\|work`	`Shirik: make me a Qt/MFC hybrid and call it QFT please`
`22:06.02`	`Krapsy`	`http://gizmodo.com/5535536`
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`22:18.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`who posts on the wow forums as unkle again? Lunessa?`
`22:19.07`	`Lunessa`	`yeah`
`22:19.10`	`zenzelezz`	`wow... new spell overload at level 20 for my mage`
`22:19.10`	`Lunessa`	`Why?`
`22:19.31`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2366735468&sid=1#4 im offended that you edited the quote`
`22:20.07`	`Lunessa`	`WTF?`
`22:20.24`	`Arrowmaster`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16019953480&postId=160183723179&sid=1#1`
`22:20.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`then look at the last post`
`22:20.40`	`Fisker`	`Arrowmaster`
`22:20.43`	`Fisker`	`i owned people`
`22:20.44`	`Lunessa`	`He edited it after I copied it to my notes.`
`22:21.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`he did?`
`22:21.20`	`Fisker`	`zootfizzle still lives?`
`22:21.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`no old quote`
`22:21.46`	`Lunessa`	`fixed`
`22:21.46`	`Fisker`	`durr`
`22:21.52`	`Arrowmaster`	`lol`
`22:21.53`	`Fisker`	`i thought it said 03/29/2010`
`22:22.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`i was just picking on you`
`22:22.13`	`Lunessa`	`My text file didn't have the attribution in it.`
`22:22.14`	`Lunessa`	`:P`
`22:22.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`the Eris reference in zoots post is still a good one though`
`22:24.35`	`Lunessa`	`Also - http://failblog.org/2010/05/10/epic-fail-videos-reckless-driver-win/ - HOLY CRAP`
`22:24.47`	`Krapsy`	`whats the difference between the 2 commands?`
`22:25.36`	`Krapsy`	`hold the presses http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24702234442/ptr-patch-3-3-5-notes/`
`22:26.05`	`Arrowmaster`	`Krapsy: huh? the two posts Lunessa quotes plus my little correction of zoots post in the other thread should explain it all`
`22:27.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`Lunessa: youve never seen that before?`
`22:27.16`	`Lunessa`	`Just saw it today. Not you driving is it?`
`22:27.19`	`Lunessa`	`:P`
`22:27.23`	`Arrowmaster`	`that has to be like 10 years old`
`22:27.50`	`Krapsy`	`Arrowmaster: my bad`
`22:27.54`	`Lunessa`	`I just saw it today.`
`22:27.57`	`Arrowmaster`	`not joking either`
`22:28.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`ok i gota goto class now`
`22:30.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`~lart Arrowmaster`
`22:30.57`	`purl`	`drops a baby grand on Arrowmaster`
`22:33.21`	`Fisker`	`moooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaar`
`22:33.26`	`Fisker`	`i want moooooooooooooooar`
`22:33.33`	`Fisker`	`but copy service is not working :(`
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`22:36.35`	`Krapsy`	`blizzard hates you Fisker`
`22:38.18`	`Fisker`	`i don't think they would do that`
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`22:55.29`	`Legorol`	`what's a bear's highest snap-aggro ability?`
`22:55.34`	`Legorol`	`does FF have a high threat component?`
`22:58.13`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Legorol: I think it does. But for snap-agro mangle might be better, i'm not sure.`
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`22:58.58`	`Esamynn`	`mangle is probably the highest snap agro, but FF does have a high threat component (only in Bear Form)`
`23:01.21`	`Krapsy`	`Legorol: a gunshot to the body`
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`23:13.48`	`Krapsy`	`check out my gear now!`
`23:14.11`	`Krapsy`	`wait no`
`23:14.39`	`Krapsy`	`http://elitistarmory.com/US/Dalvengyr/Mornsen`
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`23:17.41`	`cog\|work`	`RAIIs Fisker's SFINAE`
`23:19.47`	`*** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ \| 3.3.x ToC: 30300 \| #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting \| Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! \| 3.3.5 PTR Patch Notes are up: http://cot.ag/bY6mEm`
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`23:21.05`	`cog\|work`	`zomg blizzard needs to be banned`
`23:21.11`	`cog\|work`	`they're enabling cross-faction communication!`
`23:21.17`	`cog\|work`	`><`
`23:21.37`	`cog\|work`	`hai Sixen`
`23:23.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`23:23.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That they are`
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`23:25.09`	`Sixen`	`hai2u cog\|work`
`23:25.09`	`Sixen`	`=]`
`23:27.53`	`cog\|work`	`bai2u`
`23:30.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`cog\|away: not really`
`23:34.37`	`Lunessa`	`cog\|away: About time.`
`23:34.49`	`Fisker`	`old Cairenn`
`23:35.08`	`Fisker`	`grr`
`23:35.16`	`Fisker`	`why do i almost fall asleep at like 10pm`
`23:35.29`	`Fisker`	`But then i have to raid for another hour so i keep myself up`
`23:35.34`	`Fisker`	`and then when we're done i'm not tired :(`
`23:35.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Take a hint, sleep at 10:00`
`23:36.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`You'll be grateful for it!`
`23:36.15`	`WobWork`	`nap for 20min beforehand at around 7`
`23:36.44`	`Fisker`	`naw ScytheBlade1`
`23:37.01`	`Fisker`	`that's madness`
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`23:47.36`	`Hjalte`	`Fisker: Come on, your raid won't know the difference.`
`23:50.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`hah`
`23:50.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`actually Hjalte they would, it would be more peaceful`
`23:51.11`	`Krapsy`	`will rated bg be like raiding: join a guild, get geared, you must be on at "raid" time; or something else?`
`23:51.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`something i would really like to know`
`23:51.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`since my current guild is pvp and geared around rated bg's`
`23:52.25`	`Krapsy`	`will i be able to randomly join rated bgs by myself?`
`23:52.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`i would think so`
`23:53.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`there will prolly be a tab for BG's and a tab for rated gbs`
`23:53.01`	`Hjalte`	`Didn't they say you needed a pre-formed team=`
`23:53.03`	`Hjalte`	`?`
`23:53.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`i doubt it will be like areans`
`23:53.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`arenas*`
`23:54.14`	`Krapsy`	`my thing is i cant do scheduled stuff but i would love to heal rated bgs`
`23:55.39`	`Krapsy`	`on my priest`
`23:56.25`	`Legorol`	`hm, good point about whoever mentioned cross-faction communication: if the default UI will allow it (since it will cate for Real ID), will addons be allowed again that use the same API`
`23:56.53`	`Fisker`	`no`
`23:58.05`	`Fisker`	`i wonder if that status system will also work in WoW itself`
`23:58.11`	`Fisker`	`or only for real id`
`23:58.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`i'll guess you can only change the output`

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