| 00:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Although, its kind of silly. I live literally .75 blocks from a grocery store |
| 00:00.12 | foxlit | So, UK election |
| 00:00.41 | WobWork | what's the news? |
| 00:01.21 | foxlit | Exit poll says hung parliament; they haven't finished counting anything interesting. |
| 00:04.19 | kd3 | huh, neat. with kings only, 20006 HP |
| 00:04.42 | NightHawkTheSane | you're 6 over. fail :P |
| 00:08.14 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: what does big ben say? |
| 00:08.34 | foxlit | Dunno. |
| 00:08.46 | foxlit | 7/2/1 is what they have so far. |
| 00:08.50 | Thunder_Child | there is supposed to be a realitime projection on it |
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| 00:21.29 | Adys | nevcairiel: do you know how to zealous-crop in imagemagick? |
| 00:34.01 | Zyn | god, Blizzard, fix the fukken coordinates at the Lich King already after phase 1 :[ |
| 00:34.30 | foxlit | /teehee |
| 00:34.46 | foxlit | Zyn: and the only reason you'd care is if you're overly reliant on addons :) |
| 00:37.00 | Zyn | ofc, I want AVR to play the game for me, btw I wish I could go AFK and the boss dies by itself |
| 00:37.34 | foxlit | Does AVR actually do anything on that fight? |
| 00:38.13 | Zyn | only in phase 1 , after that nothing ... well it would do Defile markings if the coordinates didn't break after first phase-transition |
| 00:38.17 | Zyn | AVR Encounters that is |
| 00:38.37 | foxlit | Isn't the skull on someone's head enough? :) |
| 00:38.55 | Zyn | as in: make a circle |
| 00:39.21 | Zyn | it makes circles around players with shadow trap and necrotic plague, but after that nothing |
| 00:39.43 | Xinhuan | wonder if blizz will remove map coords during combat now |
| 00:39.48 | Xinhuan | or make it protected |
| 00:40.08 | Zyn | and since the coordinates break, it's pretty shit to make circles and stuff here and there to explain heroic tactics, only to have it all vanish after phase-transition |
| 00:40.11 | foxlit | The question is really whether they care at all. |
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| 00:42.23 | Xinhuan | i think so |
| 00:42.42 | foxlit | Then yeah, removing map coordinates is a relatively clean way to break things. |
| 00:43.51 | Xinhuan | i'm just not quite sure if i consider avr an advantage too big yet (like decursive was) |
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| 00:50.19 | NeoTron | it still requires actual player interaction to benefit from it |
| 00:50.32 | NeoTron | but I must say Nivfreak's Bloodqueen thing is insanely handy |
| 00:50.47 | NeoTron | puts a line from you to the person you need to bite (or who will bite you) |
| 00:52.39 | Allara | vamp/vamparrow does that too |
| 01:06.58 | kd3 | woot, kd3 the Exalted |
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| 01:16.38 | Thunder_Child | ~staple Yssaril|Away |
| 01:16.39 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Yssaril|Away quite well, and hands Yssaril|Away to thunder_child |
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| 01:24.08 | Cairenn|afk | WobWork: okay |
| 01:28.57 | cybermind | anyone know off hand what the name of the frame is that has the yellow quest objective text pop up as you pick up items or kill mobs |
| 01:29.38 | kd3 | UIErrorFrame |
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| 01:42.51 | Cide | are you ready to play soon Shirik?! |
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| 01:44.05 | cybermind | sigh |
| 01:45.08 | cybermind | that looks like it's added to the UIErrorsFrame via the UI_INFO_MESSAGE event |
| 01:45.31 | cybermind | no wonder why i could not find the code that displays it -_- |
| 01:48.45 | cybermind | im assuming then that the best (only?) way to determine when a quest objective has had progress made on it is to keep a record of every leaderboard's text and seeing when it changes in QUEST_WATCH_UPDATE ? |
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| 02:16.09 | Cide | grrrr |
| 02:19.52 | Kraps | Jennifer Aniston is quite prolific |
| 02:27.57 | Dagmar | I assume by this that you mean she keeps busy |
| 02:28.26 | WobWork | Oh Dagmar, it's so nice to see such innocence =) |
| 02:29.13 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, 'busy' has many meanings |
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| 02:35.53 | Dagmar | I wouldn't know what you're talking about Wob. I've been without electricity for days now and had someone steal stuff from me while I was trying to get a change of clothes in the dark. |
| 02:35.58 | Dagmar | Nothing but misanthropy is left. |
| 02:38.06 | Kraps | pats Dagmar |
| 02:38.29 | WobWork | So you harbour a stultifying pit of writhing human dislike, at the moment? |
| 02:38.42 | WobWork | sounds perfect for the internet |
| 02:38.47 | Dagmar | Not really a harbor so much as a museum |
| 02:38.49 | WobWork | (welcome back =)) |
| 02:39.08 | Dagmar | WATER is not really a reference I want any part of at the moment. |
| 02:40.07 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 02:40.17 | Dagmar | Turns out that it does pretty terrible things to power transformers. Who knew? |
| 02:40.24 | Kraps | the Robin Hood movie has the potential to be narmlicious, but Russell Crowe... |
| 02:43.26 | WobWork | narmlicious? |
| 02:43.44 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 02:43.55 | Kraps | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Narm |
| 02:44.15 | Jamash | didn't they make that movie already |
| 02:44.57 | Kraps | yes |
| 02:45.03 | WobWork | Kraps: no no no no no |
| 02:45.15 | WobWork | You do -not- link tvtropes when I'm at work, you -don't-! |
| 02:45.16 | WobWork | >< |
| 02:45.25 | Torhal | Kraps: Oh, great. I just downloaded that entire series for nothing. Nice spoiler alert :P |
| 02:45.29 | WobWork | damn you, damn you to hell =( |
| 02:45.36 | Kraps | zomg |
| 02:45.50 | Kraps | shield blocks |
| 02:46.22 | Torhal | I've still never seen The Sixth Sense because of that shit. |
| 02:46.24 | Torhal | Bah. |
| 02:46.24 | Zyn | the butler did it! |
| 02:47.31 | Kraps | Jamash: Release Date: May 14, 2010 |
| 02:47.37 | Torhal | Hrm. Maybe I'm just destined to have shows/movies with the word "Six" in them ruined. |
| 02:47.39 | Jamash | you're concerned about spoilers from 2006? |
| 02:47.42 | WobWork | nope |
| 02:47.42 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92IkddsjtAA |
| 02:47.50 | Torhal | Jamash: I never watched the shit :P |
| 02:47.53 | Jamash | hey, in 300 all the spartans die |
| 02:47.53 | Torhal | And now I won't |
| 02:48.15 | Torhal | What's the point when the whole surprise factor is gone? |
| 02:48.42 | Torhal | It's like actually watching Star Wars for the first time starting from "Episode I". Ruins the original three movies. |
| 02:48.45 | Jamash | if the only reason you watch things is to be surprised, then you should just pay someone to randomly jump out at you and shout "BOOOO" really loud |
| 02:48.59 | Kraps | Jamash: it was his sled |
| 02:49.10 | WobWork | jumps out at Torhal screaming "BOOO!" |
| 02:49.13 | Torhal | No, but knowing the ending to shit that I haven't seen yet is annoying. |
| 02:49.14 | WobWork | that'll be $50 please |
| 02:49.16 | Torhal | Seems pointless. |
| 02:49.31 | Jamash | you just said "what's the point when the whole surprise factor is gone?" |
| 02:49.43 | Jamash | implying that if you know how something ends, there's no reason to watch it |
| 02:50.06 | Dagmar | hahahah |
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| 02:50.21 | Torhal | Just leave it at "I have my reasons for things." |
| 02:50.22 | Dagmar | I'm sure the porn industry will close up shop tomorrow. |
| 02:50.46 | Kraps | i spoiled the main villain of the first season of 24 for myself, i was depressed for 3 days |
| 02:51.22 | Jamash | people care about the plot of 24? |
| 02:51.40 | Jamash | let me back up |
| 02:51.43 | Jamash | 24 has a plot? |
| 02:52.15 | Kraps | Jamash: it was the 1st season, things were tighter back then |
| 02:52.26 | Dagmar | I think you've hit upon the reason there's no "enhanced" rerun episodes of 24 |
| 02:56.12 | Arrowmaster | there are 'enhanced' dvds though |
| 02:56.41 | Kraps | enhanced? |
| 02:57.01 | Arrowmaster | uk airing didnt have commercials for a few seasons so they put the extra few minutes on the dvds too |
| 02:57.27 | Arrowmaster | its like 5 seconds added here and another 5 there and so on |
| 03:07.19 | Dagmar | Well, I was talking more like the 'enhanced' last-weeks-episode of Lost |
| 03:07.47 | Dagmar | ...where they show last week's episode with various bits of scrolltextery at the bottom explaining everything for people too dim to keep up. |
| 03:07.52 | Kraps | whats enhanced? |
| 03:09.01 | Dagmar | I suppose the degree to which housepets can even keep up with the plot. |
| 03:09.10 | Dagmar | ...possibly some ferns. |
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| 03:11.34 | Jamash | I've never watched 24, but in my mind it's like watching someone else play Splinter Cell |
| 03:13.04 | Dagmar | Splinter Cell is less violent. |
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| 03:26.28 | Kraps | why do people split movies in two if both parts are of mediocre-to good quality anyway? |
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| 03:32.51 | Jerub | did new sc2 betas get mailed out? |
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| 03:33.32 | Artimidorus121 | where would i find info about events such as a healing spell being cast |
| 03:39.52 | Torhal | Artimidorus121: The combat log |
| 03:44.08 | Artimidorus121 | hmmm didnt think about that |
| 03:44.22 | Artimidorus121 | and thanks for your help it really hard to get around on this site |
| 03:49.41 | Artimidorus121 | where would i find a example of how to use the combat log? |
| 03:51.06 | WobWork | try checking out other addons that use it. Recount, for example |
| 03:51.33 | WobWork | or stuff like LibHealComm |
| 03:53.21 | Jerub | WobWork: is that the doohickey that means i get to know who is ressing who on my grid? |
| 03:53.41 | Torhal | Artimidorus121: Jerub: That's LibResComm |
| 03:53.45 | WobWork | yeah |
| 03:53.55 | WobWork | it's a nifty thing |
| 03:53.57 | Torhal | Erm, didn't mean to answer two people |
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| 03:58.04 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.27 | Jerub | <3 librescomm then |
| 04:00.00 | Artimidorus121 | ok ill check out LibResComm to see if it makes any since yto me |
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| 04:04.15 | Adys | for those interested (bigimage warning) |
| 04:04.16 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/kalimdor_map.png |
| 04:04.20 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/azeroth_map.png |
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| 04:07.26 | Amarande | Adys: these are the Cata ones? |
| 04:07.27 | WobWork | ack |
| 04:07.33 | WobWork | I probably shouldn't have clicked both =P |
| 04:07.36 | Adys | yes Amarande |
| 04:07.40 | Amarande | AWESOME. |
| 04:07.40 | Adys | WobWork: you were warned |
| 04:07.40 | Adys | :p |
| 04:07.52 | Amarande | And not nearly as much to worry about having totally changed as before, looks like only a few zones changed |
| 04:08.00 | Amarande | I take it no changes to Ghostlands, IQD, or Eversong? |
| 04:08.14 | Amarande | Those are on the Outland world server so they don't show on your EK map |
| 04:08.17 | WobWork | Adys: how big are the files? |
| 04:08.28 | Adys | WobWork: 36 and 61mb |
| 04:08.45 | Amarande | thank the Light I have 20/1 these days :) |
| 04:08.45 | WobWork | holy crap =\ |
| 04:08.50 | WobWork | waits til he goes home |
| 04:10.48 | Amarande | Adys, what are those bits off to the side of the Eastern Kingdoms map? |
| 04:10.55 | Jerub | i played wow for like 4 hours last night, and did some light web browsing in under 30mb |
| 04:11.17 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/05/06/the-25-most-evil-achievements-finale-part-2// |
| 04:11.34 | Adys | Amarande: vashjir test area |
| 04:11.45 | Jerub | is it true that to get loremaster finished you have to do BWL? |
| 04:11.59 | Amarande | Jerub: EK loremaster as of 3.3.3? |
| 04:12.20 | Amarande | Not as Horde, anyway. I had a surprising amount of stuff left over when I hit my 550 |
| 04:12.34 | Amarande | OTOH, I'm *not* sure if you need to do the AQ40 chain (which needs BWL even to start) to get Kalimdor |
| 04:12.44 | Xyphoid | no, i did loremaster without BWL |
| 04:12.59 | Amarande | For EK, though ... I did do all the BRD quests and most of LBRS, but not BWL or UBRS |
| 04:14.03 | Amarande | Like I said though ... I had tons left over |
| 04:14.43 | Amarande | After I finished BRD (and also Badlands, Searing Gorge, and Burning Steppes since it was convenient) |
| 04:15.08 | Amarande | I started working my way from the Plaguelands south to finish my 550, and I think I had only reached Hillsbrad by the time that completion work plus what I'd already done on the way up made the quota |
| 04:15.25 | Jerub | Amarande: no, kalmindor |
| 04:15.45 | Jerub | my wife is stuck on something like 630/651 |
| 04:15.50 | Amarande | Ahh, that I'm not sure |
| 04:16.01 | Amarande | I've not found the gumption to try for that |
| 04:16.22 | Amarande | hopes Cata will separate the Azerothian loremaster achievements into zones like Outland and Northrend are |
| 04:16.40 | Amarande | Outland is a surprising bitch to finish, as well |
| 04:16.54 | Amarande | mostly because the last twenty or so Blade's Edge quests are hard to even find let alone do |
| 04:17.54 | Jerub | she's got everything everywhere except kalimdor |
| 04:18.34 | Xyphoid | it's really about being systematic zone by zone, and looking up questgivers and quest drop items on wowhead |
| 04:18.50 | Amarande | also making sure your 'track low level quests' is on at all times |
| 04:19.29 | Xyphoid | luxury! |
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| 04:20.35 | Jerub | she's been using wowhead's client to analyse quests i think |
| 04:20.37 | Jerub | i'm really no expert. |
| 04:20.39 | Jerub | she is :P |
| 04:20.46 | Jerub | but she reckons BWL is required now |
| 04:21.55 | Amarande | it might be, since I can't remember if the AQ40 chain is required |
| 04:22.08 | Amarande | Adys: btw, does the AQ40 chain appear intact in Cata? |
| 04:22.55 | Adys | why would i know :P |
| 04:23.14 | Adys | im not gonna mass query quests and npcs in the alpha |
| 04:26.40 | Xyphoid | so where is twin peaks, rofl |
| 04:28.49 | Torhal | Is it me, or does Azshara actually look like the Horde symbol now? |
| 04:28.50 | Torhal | Hah |
| 04:28.56 | Torhal | And I can see the golf course. |
| 04:29.14 | Xyphoid | yeah the horde symbol was mentioned in a blizzcon preview i think |
| 04:33.17 | Xyphoid | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/catazones/redridge_01.jpg i can't remember, is that actually any futher along wit hthe bridge there? |
| 04:34.33 | Torhal | Doesn't appear to be |
| 04:36.36 | WobWork | nothing changed afaics |
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| 04:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | point of ordER!: Soju is awesome. |
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| 04:50.18 | WobWork | ~objection NightHawkTheSane |
| 04:50.29 | WobWork | damn, purl let me down =P |
| 04:50.31 | NightHawkTheSane | OVERRRULED! |
| 04:51.44 | WobWork | ~objection NightHawkTheSane |
| 04:51.45 | purl | ACTION points dramatically at wobwork and shouts ****OBJECTION!!!**** |
| 04:51.50 | WobWork | alas |
| 04:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | bah! |
| 04:52.02 | NightHawkTheSane | still overruled! |
| 04:52.07 | NightHawkTheSane | soju is AWESOME! |
| 04:52.15 | NightHawkTheSane | as are taratula roles |
| 04:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | rolls |
| 04:52.31 | NightHawkTheSane | and veggie tempura rolls |
| 04:52.43 | NightHawkTheSane | also, i may not be ENTIRELY sober. |
| 04:54.57 | WobWork | it's so hard to get help on purl's commands =( |
| 04:55.12 | NightHawkTheSane | um, thats what she said? |
| 05:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | buh, wow does NOT Like dual monitors for some reason |
| 05:03.19 | Xyphoid | works nicely for me |
| 05:03.28 | WobWork | I dunno how you can use it with the bezel in the middle =\ |
| 05:03.28 | Xyphoid | big monitor for wow, small monitor for irc... |
| 05:04.44 | NightHawkTheSane | for some reason wow gets hella choppy with two monitors |
| 05:04.50 | NightHawkTheSane | the mouse jumps all over the damn place |
| 05:05.16 | Xyphoid | this is spreading wow across two screens? |
| 05:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | nope |
| 05:05.26 | Cide | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31kSA0Guqpo&feature=player_embedded |
| 05:05.33 | NightHawkTheSane | just in windowed mode on one screen |
| 05:05.37 | Xyphoid | weird |
| 05:05.48 | Xyphoid | i use maximised windowed mode on one screen and it's okay |
| 05:05.54 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: what do you need with purl? |
| 05:07.16 | NightHawkTheSane | he just wanted to object to me saying soju is awesome |
| 05:09.11 | WobWork | I wanted to program her to do the Objection thing properly |
| 05:09.21 | Thunder_Child | ~objection NightHawkTheSane |
| 05:09.32 | Thunder_Child | *cough* |
| 05:09.35 | Thunder_Child | purl.... |
| 05:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | purl doesnt like you |
| 05:09.47 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 05:09.47 | purl | ~pong |
| 05:13.45 | Thunder_Child | odd, no variables are working now |
| 05:13.53 | WobWork | I think I broke it =( |
| 05:13.59 | WobWork | I don't think it bends that way =( |
| 05:14.00 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 05:14.00 | purl | eats Thunder_Child and falls over dead |
| 05:14.09 | Thunder_Child | none of the factoids anyway |
| 05:14.13 | Thunder_Child | ~hello 1 |
| 05:14.27 | Thunder_Child | hmm... |
| 05:22.21 | NightHawkTheSane | If these walls could speak I wouldn't tell them anything. |
| 05:23.43 | Thunder_Child | who said they cant? |
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| 05:29.05 | PerfectH | Greetings! Quick question if some one has a minute to help a poor ol' chap out. |
| 05:29.31 | Nechckn | PerfectH Just ask away, someone will help if they know/have time. |
| 05:29.49 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! | "i noticed that when i stopped smoking large quantities of weed" - airtonix |
| 05:31.09 | PerfectH | I develope the unpopular UI compilation known as Griswold's Legacy - Diablo UI, and it's really frustrating having to go through each profile on specific AddOns to select the right profile. My question: is there a way to bypass that by altering the WTF files in some way so that they automatically choose the right profile for those AddOns? |
| 05:32.50 | Cairenn | wouldn't you be able to do a global search & replace in the text editor of your choice? |
| 05:35.49 | PerfectH | Well, that works if I do that for my own configuration, but I am trying to figure out a simplified way for other users to use my UI without haven't to manually choose the right profile in-game. |
| 05:36.15 | PerfectH | My goal is making the UI function correctly as soon as it's installed properly without in-game setup. |
| 05:36.56 | Arrowmaster | look at the reflux addon |
| 05:37.05 | Arrowmaster | i think its called reflux |
| 05:37.26 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12811-Reflux.html |
| 05:37.53 | NightHawkTheSane | bah, you're so helpful :P |
| 05:38.02 | PerfectH | Thanks Arrowmaster and Cairenn, I was just looking at it - looks interesting, I'll have to test it. |
| 05:38.42 | PerfectH | If I had a better understanding of LUA, I'd attempt to convert my UI into a self supported AddOn similar to Spartan UI...but I'm not that talented :P |
| 05:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | never to late to learn |
| 05:38.54 | PerfectH | Know just enough LUA to get by... |
| 05:39.01 | PerfectH | Suppose you have a point there. |
| 05:39.09 | PerfectH | I have more time now that I am done my finals for the semester. |
| 05:39.15 | NightHawkTheSane | well, unless you'rea dead |
| 05:39.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess then it's too late |
| 05:39.34 | NightHawkTheSane | but if that were true, i'd have to shoot you with a shotgun |
| 05:39.35 | PerfectH | Caireen, if I made a Tourettes Guy AddOn...would it get removed from the website? |
| 05:39.39 | PerfectH | lol |
| 05:39.49 | NightHawkTheSane | so, i hope you're not dead. i'm WAAAAY not sober enough to shhoot anything |
| 05:40.08 | PerfectH | LOL |
| 05:40.25 | WobWork | You'd have to stand in front of the barrel |
| 05:40.38 | NightHawkTheSane | and maybe even hold the gun for me |
| 05:41.34 | PerfectH | Well, my second question was an AddOn with explict sound waves...is that against WoWInterface's policy? |
| 05:41.42 | PerfectH | Even if I warn in the description? |
| 05:42.49 | Thunder_Child | that would be Cairenn's department |
| 05:43.03 | Cairenn | hmmmm |
| 05:43.04 | PerfectH | I asked her, but maybe she's not looking at the moment. |
| 05:43.08 | PerfectH | Oh there she is. |
| 05:43.19 | Cairenn | you spelled my name wrong, so it didn't ping me |
| 05:43.19 | Thunder_Child | helps if you spell her name correctly |
| 05:43.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think sound files are against any policy, are they? |
| 05:43.24 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:43.28 | PerfectH | Oh, I did? >.< |
| 05:43.38 | PerfectH | Well it's not the sound files itself... |
| 05:43.41 | PerfectH | *themselves... |
| 05:43.44 | Cairenn | NightHawkTheSane: We have a policy that you need to keep stuff on the site family-friendly |
| 05:43.50 | PerfectH | Ooooh. |
| 05:43.59 | PerfectH | So Tourettes Guy would not be acceptable I take it, lol. |
| 05:44.00 | Cairenn | At least to a certain degree |
| 05:44.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: ah, really? |
| 05:44.08 | Cairenn | Ummmmm |
| 05:44.16 | Cairenn | Myself, I'd laugh at it |
| 05:44.19 | Cairenn | but |
| 05:44.20 | PerfectH | Tourettes Guy is...pretty strong language. |
| 05:44.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i never knew that, not that any stuff i care to make is obscene, but meh |
| 05:44.35 | Cairenn | It would go against Blizzard's policies, so yeah, not so much |
| 05:44.49 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 05:45.05 | PerfectH | Ahhh okay, well, I thought I'd ask before publishing it, but I thought I'd try making one as my first AddOn. |
| 05:45.13 | Cairenn | Nod |
| 05:45.14 | PerfectH | No it's okay, Cairenn, I'm glad I asked first. |
| 05:45.19 | Cairenn | I do appreciate you asking first |
| 05:45.30 | Cairenn | I do appreciate it a lot |
| 05:45.32 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:45.34 | PerfectH | Fan of the website for many years, supporter, don't want to cross or offend. |
| 05:45.46 | PerfectH | Many as in about 2 years, to be fair >.< |
| 05:46.01 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:46.16 | Cairenn | I'd love to say go for it, but even if we allowed it, blizzard would freak |
| 05:46.26 | PerfectH | Really? O_o |
| 05:46.35 | Cairenn | Think about their EULA & TOS |
| 05:46.40 | PerfectH | Hmm. |
| 05:46.43 | Cairenn | There's all kinds of stuff in there about profanity |
| 05:47.02 | PerfectH | Are you familiar with Tourettes Guy? My friend who is also a fan gave me the idea for an AddOn. |
| 05:47.26 | Cairenn | I don't know that I've actually seen/heard/read it, but I can well imagine, just by the name |
| 05:47.38 | PerfectH | Basically, the AddOn would generate sounds from Tourettes Guy as seen on YouTube for certain things, like if you get feared, stunned, die, etc... |
| 05:47.54 | Cairenn | Just how profane are we talking here? |
| 05:48.01 | PerfectH | Like, constant >.< |
| 05:48.12 | PerfectH | With the exception of "BOB SAGET!" |
| 05:48.13 | WobWork | over nine thousand =( |
| 05:48.19 | PerfectH | What? Nine thousand? |
| 05:48.34 | Cairenn | Yeah, but how extreme? Is it simply "shit, damn, ass", or is it "cocksucking motherfucking cunt" |
| 05:48.56 | Torhal | Cairenn: Good lord, woman. Watch your fucking mouth. |
| 05:48.58 | Arrowmaster | Adys: this needs added to the quote site |
| 05:49.01 | PerfectH | All of that, and then some. |
| 05:49.05 | WobWork | indeed =) |
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| 05:49.29 | Cairenn | PerfectH: yeah, that would be considered out of line then |
| 05:49.42 | Cairenn | I wouldn't be comfortable allowing it on the site, sorry |
| 05:49.57 | Torhal | WHat if it used Farscape curse words? :D |
| 05:50.00 | PerfectH | lol it's no trouble, I just thought I would ask first :) |
| 05:50.09 | krka | är BSG curse words! |
| 05:50.11 | Cairenn | Torhal, Arrowmaster, WobWork :p |
| 05:50.13 | krka | or firefly even |
| 05:50.38 | Arrowmaster | firefly was mostly just going of in chinese |
| 05:50.39 | Fisker | Cairenn Torhal |
| 05:50.44 | WobWork | krka: firefly cursing isn't a made up language |
| 05:50.49 | NightHawkTheSane | 'every time that i call, she can't remember at all, and that's the last time i fall for alecia amnesia' |
| 05:50.50 | Cairenn | PerfectH: if you want to go with any of those suggestions ^^^ I'd be fine with that |
| 05:51.10 | Adys | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 05:51.29 | NightHawkTheSane | farscape was really big in the made up curse words |
| 05:51.48 | Arrowmaster | BSG had a very limited amount of made up curse words |
| 05:51.51 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, wait, torhal mentioned that |
| 05:52.07 | Adys | Arrowmaster: queued |
| 05:52.07 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 05:52.08 | Arrowmaster | farscape actually had seperate made up curse words for whore and slut i think |
| 05:52.23 | Adys | Arrowmaster: thats related to the fact the only curse word they use is frack |
| 05:52.29 | Torhal | Frell, dren, frellnik...man, been too many years |
| 05:52.37 | Arrowmaster | trelk |
| 05:52.46 | Torhal | Ah |
| 05:52.48 | Torhal | Yah |
| 05:52.49 | NightHawkTheSane | farbot |
| 05:53.07 | Arrowmaster | now i cant remember the other one for whore/slut |
| 05:53.43 | Torhal | Frell, dren, drannit, hezmana, greebol, loomas, fahrbot, tralk, mivonks, frelnik, thoddo, yotz |
| 05:54.48 | krka | WobWork: sure it is! i couldn't understand it all, it was total gibberish |
| 05:55.04 | NightHawkTheSane | your FACE is all gibbersish |
| 05:57.17 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/737/ |
| 05:58.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: thats totally me |
| 05:58.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i have eggs that expired two months ago in my fridge, and yogurt i dont remember actually buying |
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| 06:05.21 | PProvost | Eggs don't really expire. :P |
| 06:06.01 | WobWork | o_O |
| 06:06.06 | WobWork | you've never had a rotten egg? |
| 06:06.48 | PProvost | Sure, but that has nothing to do with it. :) |
| 06:07.00 | WobWork | honey doesn't go off =) |
| 06:08.14 | Fisker | hey WobWork |
| 06:08.56 | NightHawkTheSane | eggs expire dude. :P |
| 06:09.36 | PProvost | http://www.eggsafety.org/f_a_q.htm |
| 06:09.52 | WobWork | hey Fisker |
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| 06:13.11 | WobWork | PerfectH's quitline reads like spammail |
| 06:13.26 | Nechckn | Lol, just a bit. |
| 06:16.05 | zenzio | "The catalyst for today's extraordinary price swing (at one point the Dow lost almost 9 percent in less than an hour) may have been because a trader entered a 'B' for billions instead of an 'M' for millions on a trade of Procter and Gamble" |
| 06:16.16 | zenzio | if this is the case, do traders not get confirmation dialogs or something? |
| 06:16.17 | Jamash | lolololololololol |
| 06:17.13 | NightHawkTheSane | .... |
| 06:17.38 | Jamash | "Would you like to crash the stock market (y/n)?" |
| 06:17.45 | NightHawkTheSane | you're telling me the financial stability of the free world rests on some keyboard monkey;s ability to not typo two letters that are merely two keys apart? |
| 06:17.49 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck me. |
| 06:17.54 | Jamash | yes |
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| 06:19.14 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: man. you think /thats/ bad. |
| 06:19.23 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: this story starts with a monkey at a keyboard. |
| 06:19.59 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE a monkey a ta keyboard! |
| 06:20.01 | Jerub | but then there are 10s of thousands of /automated it systems/ that look at market data and make trades with a turnaround time measured in milliseconds of when data comes in. |
| 06:20.25 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah but i'll be honest i trust automated systems more than i trust people |
| 06:20.39 | Jerub | further to that, you think 'IT system' and you think of wired monkeys at keyboards drinking coffee and testing their code rigerously with a QA department. |
| 06:20.52 | Jamash | hahahahahaha, qa |
| 06:21.01 | Jerub | most of those IT systems are written by a MBA in excel using VBA and fancy formulas! |
| 06:21.24 | Jerub | which run on a desktop machine somewhere, and turn over hundreds of millions of dollars in trades a day. |
| 06:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. which is scary as fuck :P |
| 06:21.48 | NightHawkTheSane | but still slightly more reliable than some guy's ability to not typo the letter M apparently :P |
| 06:21.50 | Jerub | and it's /those/ it systems that caused the market to plummet. |
| 06:22.27 | Jerub | "oh, the health industry is crashing, I should dump all my health stocks" |
| 06:22.48 | Jerub | done without human intervention too |
| 06:23.26 | Jamash | automated trading should probably be illegal |
| 06:23.37 | Jerub | Jamash: lol |
| 06:23.52 | NightHawkTheSane | well taht'd be one way to create jobs ;) |
| 06:23.56 | Jamash | actually 90% of what the financial industry does these days ought to be illegal |
| 06:24.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ truth |
| 06:24.48 | Arrowmaster | how long before instead of pumping worthless stocks to then sell them for profit before they crash back down to worthless again and everybody else gets fucked will we see people purposely 'accidentally' crashing a stock so they can buy a bunch while its crashed then sell it when it comes back up |
| 06:25.24 | Jamash | been done |
| 06:25.33 | zenzio | http://cgm-images.adbureau.net/cgm/allodsmay300x250.jpg - are the Evony people behind Allods, or did Allods just take inspiration from them? |
| 06:25.33 | Jerub | Jamash: okay, i couldn't get behind the first statement, but the second. <3 |
| 06:25.57 | Arrowmaster | yes i know but now they know they can use all the automated stuff to their advantage to do it |
| 06:26.15 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: rofl |
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| 06:38.03 | Amarande | heh, and an increasing number of companies don't even pay dividends on their stock anymore |
| 06:38.09 | Amarande | so people really are trading worthless pieces of paper :P |
| 06:43.54 | airtonix | isn't free speech great! |
| 06:44.22 | airtonix | wonders why that was censored on his screen |
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| 06:48.03 | Antiarc | It angers me that people can't get WoW forum bans for being moronic |
| 06:48.14 | zenzio | hehe |
| 06:48.16 | zenzio | what now? |
| 06:48.25 | Arrowmaster | so whats the deal with this character name and identifier in the SC2 beta? |
| 06:48.28 | Antiarc | The new wowmatrix thread |
| 06:48.47 | zenzio | Antiarc: link? |
| 06:48.59 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702232038&sid=1 |
| 06:49.55 | Antiarc | wowmatrix fans are the intellectual equivalent of those hunters that are decked out in strength gear with mp5 enchants. |
| 06:50.24 | Cide- | hi |
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| 06:51.19 | Shadowed | wowmatrix fans are the intellectual equivalent of rocks |
| 06:51.34 | Shadowed | And not the fancy rocks with moss growing on them |
| 06:51.36 | Shadowed | just plain rocks |
| 06:51.45 | zenzio | that's an unfair comparison Shadowed |
| 06:51.49 | zenzio | rocks erode over time |
| 06:52.02 | Shadowed | true |
| 06:52.09 | Shadowed | They are like a star |
| 06:52.18 | Shadowed | They go from non existent to blazing hot, then they die off and nobody cares! |
| 06:52.29 | Bruners | starts a wowmatrix facebook group |
| 06:55.10 | NightHawkTheSane | thinks it's fun watching his graphic designer friends flail and insist flash is still relevent and useful and wah wah why does everyone hate flash. |
| 06:55.38 | Arrowmaster | too bad i cant post on the wow forums anymore |
| 06:55.45 | Amarande | Shadowed: [Happy Fun Rock]? |
| 06:55.50 | Shadowed | they are happy? |
| 06:55.52 | zenzio | NightHawkTheSane: heh |
| 06:56.01 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: need to be a paying customer to post? |
| 06:56.05 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:56.09 | Antiarc | Arrowmaster: banned or lapsed? |
| 06:56.14 | Arrowmaster | lapsed |
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| 06:57.23 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzio: i'm also amused how many articles i read that are basically "yeah, okay, flash was kinda useful, and i dont want to totally insult flash devs, but let's face it, you were shitty devs, in a shitty environment, and flash is dead. sucks to be you" |
| 06:58.16 | Shadowed | Not sure why you think Flash is dead |
| 06:58.23 | Shadowed | It's terrible, but it's not going to die for a while |
| 06:58.27 | zenzio | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, it's an interesting fight going on these days |
| 06:58.30 | Elkano | Apple said so ;) |
| 06:59.30 | airtonix | lol? |
| 07:00.43 | airtonix | NightHawkTheSane, you should show them mr droobs site |
| 07:01.39 | Amarande | and what would you use instead of flash, exactly? |
| 07:01.46 | airtonix | http://mrdoob.com/ |
| 07:02.19 | Bruners | Shadowed: hopefully it will die and get fully replaced by open standards |
| 07:02.24 | Shadowed | eh |
| 07:02.32 | Shadowed | It's more of a nice dream than something that will ever happen soon |
| 07:02.57 | Amarande | for flash to entirely die, the linux implementations of silverlight would have to be ready for primetime |
| 07:03.07 | Amarande | as it is, they're even sketchier than the open source Flash implementations |
| 07:03.13 | Shadowed | Conservatively, you have at least 5 years probably closer to 10 |
| 07:03.29 | Shadowed | maybe longer given that Adobe has money |
| 07:04.17 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: its dead for anybody wanting to make sites that can be accessed by a mobile phone |
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| 07:04.39 | Shadowed | if you were making a site based on Flash for mobile phones |
| 07:04.43 | Shadowed | you were doing something wrong |
| 07:04.51 | Arrowmaster | well duh |
| 07:04.52 | Shadowed | and that's not dead |
| 07:05.08 | Shadowed | You'll still have the Androids that run it |
| 07:05.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: well, yeah, it's not DEAD, but it's dying. honestly it'll be around for years |
| 07:05.30 | Antiarc | I wouldn't call Flash dying until people are moving to Canvas and HTML5 video en masse. |
| 07:05.39 | Antiarc | (and they aren't yet) |
| 07:05.42 | NightHawkTheSane | but i dont expect it to be relevent further out than 10 years. |
| 07:05.42 | Arrowmaster | but if you were making a site and then the boss complained that it didnt work on his iPhone your career should be considered dead |
| 07:06.11 | NightHawkTheSane | even 5 years is really pushing it |
| 07:06.21 | Antiarc | If Adobe gets their enterprise-level devs onto Flash and makes a strong push on Android devices, who knows. |
| 07:06.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: thats one route that might save it |
| 07:06.36 | Shadowed | If you think Flash will die in 5 years you're crazy |
| 07:06.49 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd love to see a flash compiler that built html5/js/css3 compliant code |
| 07:06.52 | Shadowed | People are still on IE6, standards move slowly |
| 07:06.57 | Antiarc | Given the pissing match between Apple and Adobe, if I was Adobe I'd be throwing my best and brightest at it just to spite Apple |
| 07:07.06 | Antiarc | IE6 is something of an odd case, though |
| 07:07.10 | Shadowed | eh |
| 07:07.17 | Antiarc | There aren't a whole lot of enterprise-level flash apps |
| 07:07.26 | Antiarc | At least not like there are IE6-only intranet apps |
| 07:07.30 | Shadowed | If you're a company doing flash games or really any sort of flash development |
| 07:07.31 | Arrowmaster | when firefox/opera can play h264 using directshow/mediafoundation/gstreamer/whateverthefuckmachas?quicktime?lol HTML5 video will probably pickup |
| 07:07.37 | Shadowed | you're going to target what most people can use, which is flash |
| 07:07.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: i agree, Adobe ought to be putting nearly all its effort behing making flash relevant again, but I'm not sure i see a real out for them |
| 07:07.43 | Shadowed | even once HTML5 picks up, Flash will still work |
| 07:07.48 | Amarande | what did IE7 break that intranets needed? |
| 07:07.57 | Shadowed | ActiveX stuff isn't it? |
| 07:07.58 | Amarande | I heard IE6 was like, the total shit-heap version of IE that Should Never Be Used |
| 07:08.02 | Cide- | is <canvas> at all a replacement for flash? |
| 07:08.06 | Amarande | the one that has all the security of a sieve |
| 07:08.11 | Amarande | the MS-DOS 4.0 of IE heh |
| 07:08.14 | Antiarc | IE6 is a shitpile, but IE7 interprets HTML/JS differently than IE6 |
| 07:08.23 | Shadowed | Any sane company is going to develop based on what works for the most people though |
| 07:08.26 | Antiarc | So you have Legacy Intranet App written against IE6, and because of that it doesn't work in anything else |
| 07:08.28 | Arrowmaster | IE7 probably patched some security holes that intranet sites were depending on in IE6 |
| 07:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: assuming a fully compliant browser, the specifications in html5 can completely replace flash, yes. |
| 07:08.36 | Cide- | *can* |
| 07:08.39 | Cide- | but is it viable? |
| 07:08.40 | NightHawkTheSane | canvas is just one tool |
| 07:08.41 | Antiarc | So you can a) not upgrade your browser, or b) pay someone to upgrade your legacy software |
| 07:08.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: right now? probably not on a wide scale |
| 07:08.48 | Antiarc | And many shops elect for a) |
| 07:08.49 | Cide- | you can do anything with just setting a pixel to a color |
| 07:08.52 | Cide- | doesn't mean it's viable |
| 07:09.02 | Cide- | afaik canvas has extremely low-level drawing tools |
| 07:09.18 | Antiarc | Yeah, Canvas is as viable as DirectDraw, more or less. |
| 07:09.41 | Antiarc | http://mugtug.com/sketchpad/ |
| 07:09.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: but when browser support catches up (which i give <1 year), and tools to ease the canvas/js development come into play, then it'll be a fuller replacement |
| 07:09.56 | Arrowmaster | i wonder how many game developers are now kicking themselves for picking to do their game UI in actionscript because of 'flash is so widely used' |
| 07:10.01 | Shadowed | You're talking two different things |
| 07:10.01 | Cide- | flash can do SO much out of the box |
| 07:10.04 | NightHawkTheSane | http://html5games.com/ is pretty sweet |
| 07:10.05 | Arrowmaster | looks at jumpgate/swtor |
| 07:10.06 | Shadowed | replacement and viable replacement |
| 07:10.11 | Shadowed | the former is easy, the latter is not |
| 07:10.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: the difference between the two is only a matter of time, though |
| 07:10.27 | Shadowed | It's not viable to dedicate your time to supporting the minority when you can do it in Flash which works for both groups |
| 07:10.30 | Cide- | good luck defining a complex shape tween in javascript |
| 07:10.41 | Antiarc | That's a solve-once problem though |
| 07:10.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 07:10.50 | Cide- | lol |
| 07:10.52 | Antiarc | Someone writes a lib for it, you leverage it |
| 07:10.56 | Cide- | that's like saying flying to the moon is a solve-once problem |
| 07:11.00 | airtonix | http://html5games.com/2010/04/gameboy-emulator/ |
| 07:11.02 | Shadowed | again, that means you have to spend time doing it |
| 07:11.14 | Shadowed | One day Flash will die, but it's not going to be quick |
| 07:11.15 | Antiarc | You're seriously comparing beizer interpolation with space travel? :P |
| 07:11.19 | NightHawkTheSane | right -now- the IDE/library support is weak for canvas and other html5 specific specs. |
| 07:11.21 | Cide- | yes |
| 07:11.28 | Shadowed | and the people who are specialized in it |
| 07:11.31 | Antiarc | Forgive me if I think you're a little nuts then :P |
| 07:11.31 | NightHawkTheSane | but the same was true for flash at one point |
| 07:11.35 | Fisker | u Shadowed |
| 07:11.38 | Cide- | space travel != moon<->earth travel though |
| 07:11.42 | Cide- | regardless |
| 07:11.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: define "quick"? |
| 07:11.48 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 07:11.49 | Cide- | even if it's DOABLE at some point |
| 07:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | that's not sarcasm, but an honest question |
| 07:11.54 | Cide- | it won't ever be time-viable |
| 07:11.54 | Antiarc | hey fisker |
| 07:11.59 | Shadowed | NightHawkTheSane already said, I think 5-10 years |
| 07:12.05 | Fisker | so your addon is starting to become obsolete ;3 |
| 07:12.10 | Antiarc | Is it? Yay. |
| 07:12.13 | Antiarc | What obsoleted it? |
| 07:12.14 | Arrowmaster | that gameboy emulator is killing my cpu |
| 07:12.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: which is, basically what i said also. 5 years on the inside, 10 on the outside. |
| 07:12.19 | Arrowmaster | needs to be multithreaded |
| 07:12.20 | Shadowed | I'm betting more on 10 |
| 07:12.30 | Cide- | I'm betting more on never |
| 07:12.32 | Shadowed | because I don't think you'll see a large shift of HTML5 people |
| 07:12.33 | NightHawkTheSane | if flash is relevent outside of 10 years from now, it'll be because adobe sunk huge amounts of money and dev into it. |
| 07:12.46 | Cide- | by the time it would become viable, HTML5 will be obsolete |
| 07:12.54 | Fisker | Antiarc wisdom and might being combined |
| 07:13.04 | Antiarc | Fisker: That's pretty awesome. |
| 07:13.09 | Cide- | the only reason flash would die is because large companies are abandoning it (*cough* apple) |
| 07:13.13 | Cide- | if that trend continues it might die |
| 07:13.16 | Shadowed | If anything is going to make HTML5 viable, it'll be a community that develops a good enough set of tools to make the barrier of entry low |
| 07:13.30 | Antiarc | If you think Apple is driving Flash development (or that their abandonment of it will cause Flash to die) you haven't been paying attention, honestly. |
| 07:13.31 | Shadowed | and yea the Adobe factor is a bit of a randomizer |
| 07:13.32 | Cide- | but it saves so much developer time to use it over any tools that will ever be developed for <canvas> manipulation |
| 07:13.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Shadowed: that i'll agree with. |
| 07:13.39 | Cide- | Antiarc, I don't |
| 07:13.43 | Antiarc | Okay :) |
| 07:13.57 | Cide- | but the fact that less companies support it obviously means it becomes less powerful |
| 07:13.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd love to see apple open source their JS UIKit, really |
| 07:14.22 | Shirik | LOL |
| 07:14.23 | Shirik | APPLE |
| 07:14.25 | Shirik | OPEN SOURCE |
| 07:14.36 | Fisker | LOL SHIRIK |
| 07:14.36 | Cide- | Shirik comes to life |
| 07:14.38 | Fisker | NO CAPS |
| 07:14.45 | Cide- | did you see the youtube video I posted Shirik? |
| 07:14.48 | Shirik | no |
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| 07:14.54 | Cide- | scroll up to when I pinged you |
| 07:14.56 | Shadowed | If say, Firefox or Chrome dropped Flash then you'd see more of a push to it I think |
| 07:14.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yeah, lol, crazy i know, cause they totally didn;t open source webkit |
| 07:14.59 | Cide- | it's awesome |
| 07:15.02 | Arrowmaster | can we point to the OSX box that says ZFS support on it now? |
| 07:15.04 | Shadowed | but the odds of that happening are basically the same as jesus christ returning |
| 07:15.18 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: You know Webkit was built on Konquerer, right? :P |
| 07:15.18 | Shadowed | or Fisker not being a troll |
| 07:15.23 | Fisker | omg Cide |
| 07:15.23 | NightHawkTheSane | or, you know, the entire base of their os. |
| 07:15.24 | Fisker | omg |
| 07:15.25 | Fisker | omgomgomgomg |
| 07:15.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: yes, i'm aware :) |
| 07:15.33 | Fisker | so the phoenix is finally useful |
| 07:15.40 | Cide- | yes |
| 07:15.46 | Cide- | overpowered atm though |
| 07:15.49 | Cide- | but that's another story |
| 07:15.54 | Zyn | I just heard a whole country laugh, something about Apple and Open Source, what's going on? oh Shirik |
| 07:16.06 | airtonix | lulz |
| 07:16.32 | Zyn | goes back to after effects learning |
| 07:16.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: the point remains, however, that apple has a not terrible record of open sourcing some of their tools, and saying "it'd be nice if the uikit frmaework was open sourceD" isn't particularly far fetched |
| 07:16.47 | Fisker | know if there's any editor changes? |
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| 07:17.38 | Shirik | Cide |
| 07:17.41 | Cide- | yes |
| 07:17.42 | Shirik | something is wrong with my MMM strategy |
| 07:17.45 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 07:17.49 | Cide- | why? |
| 07:17.55 | Shirik | I think I'm just not building fast enough |
| 07:18.05 | Shirik | Though lately I've been doing MMMS |
| 07:18.07 | Cide- | have you played it 1v1? |
| 07:18.08 | Shirik | MMSM? |
| 07:18.09 | Shirik | no |
| 07:18.13 | Cide- | s for? |
| 07:18.18 | Shirik | siege tank |
| 07:18.21 | Cide- | ah |
| 07:18.34 | Cide- | well check out some replays |
| 07:18.38 | Cide- | I'll link you some later |
| 07:18.58 | Shirik | siege tanks help though |
| 07:19.00 | Shirik | a lot |
| 07:19.07 | Shirik | esp. with zerg |
| 07:19.30 | Cide- | yup |
| 07:19.34 | Cide- | siege tanks just got buffed too |
| 07:20.04 | Cide- | siege tanks seem more like a late-game tool vs the zerg swarm stuff |
| 07:20.12 | Cide- | not so much for the low unit count early-mid game |
| 07:20.12 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:20.27 | Cide- | did you watch the video? |
| 07:20.31 | Cide- | it looks so hilarious |
| 07:21.32 | Shirik | no |
| 07:21.52 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:21.54 | Fisker | do i hate you? |
| 07:22.28 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:22.28 | Cide- | can't find it on youtube |
| 07:22.31 | Shirik | they can attack backwards? |
| 07:22.34 | Cide- | yes |
| 07:22.40 | Cide- | they attack while flying away from units |
| 07:22.48 | Cide- | by turning around and flying backwards |
| 07:22.52 | Cide- | (they always shoot forwards) |
| 07:22.56 | Cide- | but fly in any direction |
| 07:23.14 | Shirik | loool |
| 07:23.22 | Shirik | this is OP |
| 07:23.26 | Cide- | see the video? |
| 07:23.29 | Cide- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00nA_BRln38 is one but not as good |
| 07:24.11 | Fisker | you're no good for me Shirik |
| 07:25.25 | Shirik | yes I saw it |
| 07:25.28 | Shirik | Fisker: ok |
| 07:27.12 | Cide- | anyway |
| 07:27.19 | Cide- | I find MMM to be extremely strong in 1v1 |
| 07:27.36 | Cide- | unless I go HT's I'm pretty much doomed |
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| 07:28.35 | Fisker | imma mmm you in the ass Cide |
| 07:29.42 | Cide- | ok |
| 07:29.49 | Cide- | I'll storm your ass |
| 07:30.20 | Fisker | maybe i'll like you Cide |
| 07:30.26 | Fisker | btw yay |
| 07:30.26 | Cide- | ok |
| 07:30.32 | Shirik | I'm not saying MMM isn't strong |
| 07:30.38 | Fisker | MW2 is discounted so it doesn't cost more than a regular game! |
| 07:30.40 | Shirik | I'm saying something I'm doing with it isn't managed properly |
| 07:30.45 | Fisker | my mmm is strong |
| 07:30.59 | Cide- | watch a replay and see if you keep your production up |
| 07:31.00 | Shirik | Fisker, I will destroy you |
| 07:31.04 | Cide- | and also, are you using stim packs? |
| 07:31.10 | airtonix | Shirik, its just not the same |
| 07:31.10 | Cide- | it makes all the difference |
| 07:31.15 | Fisker | then go ahead and try Shirik |
| 07:31.24 | Shirik | I research them and forget to use them, but that's not really what I'm referring to |
| 07:31.41 | krka | this seems relevant! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUEkOVdUjHc |
| 07:31.43 | Cide- | oh? |
| 07:31.44 | Shirik | it's really more of the "why do I have so many resources" |
| 07:31.47 | Cide- | ah |
| 07:31.52 | Cide- | how many barracks? |
| 07:31.59 | Cide- | and on how many bases? |
| 07:32.14 | Shirik | lol krka |
| 07:32.21 | Shirik | Cide: I've had as many as 10 and not able to keep up |
| 07:32.22 | Cide- | seems like 3 per base is about enough |
| 07:32.34 | Cide- | minerals or gas? |
| 07:32.36 | Shirik | though I think I had 4-5 bases that time |
| 07:32.41 | Shirik | both! |
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| 07:32.47 | Cide- | are you constantly researching stuff in the armory? |
| 07:32.52 | Shirik | yup |
| 07:32.54 | Cide- | and getting the marine health boost |
| 07:32.57 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:33.01 | Fisker | man it's awesome being invincible |
| 07:33.07 | Shirik | I'm talking I end with averaging like 3k unspent resources |
| 07:33.13 | Shirik | not something trivial like that |
| 07:33.19 | Cide- | then I guess your games are too long |
| 07:33.30 | krka | win faster, not smarter! |
| 07:33.35 | Cide- | if you're sitting on 4-5 bases it's pretty much impossible to use all your resources |
| 07:33.44 | Shirik | well that was an extreme case |
| 07:33.46 | Cide- | unless you're running 5 starports with battlecruisers |
| 07:34.03 | Cide- | which now cost more resources/second with the decrease in build time! |
| 07:34.41 | Shirik | heh |
| 07:34.45 | Shirik | BCs still suck though |
| 07:34.49 | Cide- | yep |
| 07:34.55 | Cide- | hellions seem very nice vs zerg now |
| 07:34.58 | Cide- | well before also |
| 07:35.02 | Cide- | but they got a slight buff this patch |
| 07:35.12 | Shirik | ? |
| 07:35.27 | Cide- | their shots have range 6 |
| 07:35.36 | Cide- | previously they had an acquisition range of 5 |
| 07:35.43 | krka | how do you people have time to play? dont you have work to go to, kids to take care of, and side projects to work on? |
| 07:35.47 | Cide- | so they could shoot from 5 units of range |
| 07:35.53 | Cide- | but the shot reached 6 units of range |
| 07:35.54 | Cide- | now it's 6/6 |
| 07:36.11 | Cide- | krka, ignore the side projects ._. |
| 07:36.17 | Cide- | and wear a condom |
| 07:36.22 | krka | at the same time? |
| 07:36.29 | Cide- | ideally, you can never be too sure |
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| 07:42.30 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 07:42.36 | Shirik | I just found an email from 2006 in thunderbird |
| 07:42.39 | Shirik | how did that get there |
| 07:43.03 | zenzio | just sent with a wrong date perhaps? It happens |
| 07:43.06 | Shirik | I was reading this email and it says something I requested and the guy responded |
| 07:43.07 | Shirik | no |
| 07:43.09 | Shirik | because |
| 07:43.10 | Shirik | in the email |
| 07:43.19 | airtonix | noone can hear you scream |
| 07:43.20 | Shirik | I say I'm 19 |
| 07:44.14 | Cide- | wow you're young |
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| 07:44.39 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:45.13 | zenzio | a lot of people lie about their age, Shirik |
| 07:46.03 | Torhal | I think this iteration of Shirik is roughly three weeks. |
| 07:46.04 | Kalroth | i am 21 any horny teens that want to chat with me i like to talk about anything and especially if you have pictures nudies are okay too but not required |
| 07:46.17 | Adys | me Kalroth |
| 07:46.33 | Fisker | i want you Shirik |
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| 07:49.41 | Kalroth | Adys: teenagers only sry |
| 07:50.15 | Adys | me teen |
| 07:54.19 | Antiarc | Ugh |
| 07:54.23 | Antiarc | Arena needs fewer warlocks |
| 07:54.31 | Antiarc | 7 games tonight. 6 have been against locks. |
| 07:54.36 | Antiarc | affliction locks. |
| 07:54.58 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.21 | Antiarc | DRs really need to start at the end of the effect, not the beginning :< |
| 07:57.54 | Antiarc | Well, reset after the end |
| 08:01.09 | Fisker | maybe i agree Antiarc |
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| 08:08.30 | zenzio | spooky... http://thisisphotobomb.com/2010/05/06/photobomb-that-guy-hey-there-little-guy/ |
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| 08:12.13 | Amarande | note: the bridge into Telaar and the bridge over the Telaari Basin are not the same thing. :| |
| 08:13.22 | airtonix | there's a bridge ? |
| 08:13.47 | Amarande | aka, "I almost walked into the alliance outpost willy nilly to get wtfpwned" |
| 08:19.24 | Fisker | is that wedding bells i'm hearing Shirik |
| 08:19.33 | Shirik | no |
| 08:19.47 | Fisker | sure? |
| 08:19.59 | Cide | back |
| 08:20.56 | Cide | did you miss me? |
| 08:21.35 | Fisker | i did |
| 08:21.36 | Fisker | n't |
| 08:21.49 | Cide | good |
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| 08:27.37 | Maldivia | *Yawn* |
| 08:35.29 | Amarande | THIS guy? |
| 08:35.37 | Amarande | THIS guy is going to be the new warchief? This guy with only 4050 HP? |
| 08:36.12 | zenzio | ..? |
| 08:36.16 | krka | ... |
| 08:44.49 | Amarande | Garrosh. |
| 08:45.09 | Amarande | The guy barely has half my HP, and he's supposedly going to be the new Horde Warchief in Cata. |
| 08:45.27 | Torhal | Not news. |
| 08:45.38 | Amarande | ... also this draenei shaman I just passed is insane |
| 08:45.41 | Amarande | he's leveling. as resto. |
| 08:45.41 | Torhal | Say it, Fisker. |
| 08:45.50 | Amarande | and from the fact that he's in nagrand I'm suspecting he's solo leveling. as resto. :| |
| 08:46.47 | zenzio | sure, Garrosh has little HP now, but we've been told stamina is going to be much higher in Cataclysm, and I'm sure he'll be upgrading his gear |
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| 09:11.43 | Amarande | hmm |
| 09:11.51 | Amarande | was outland nerfed, or does it just feel nerfed because I'm playing a DK :) |
| 09:13.20 | Wobin | yes |
| 09:13.25 | Maldivia | both |
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| 09:23.04 | Antiarc | What's the current technique for drawing lines in the UI? |
| 09:24.04 | Kaso | i use felt tip pen |
| 09:24.26 | Kalroth | I create a new texture for each pixel I have to paint |
| 09:24.28 | Cide | texture with alpha on both sides extended so that the line's vertices are in each diagonal corner |
| 09:24.37 | Cide | afaik |
| 09:24.56 | Cide | the border pixels of the image are extended when resized |
| 09:25.22 | Cide | probably need some SetTexCoord magic too |
| 09:31.26 | Antiarc | Okay. Was hoping there was an easier way, but that'll work. |
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| 09:47.22 | mikma | http://www.popjolly.com/woman-says-she-became-pregnant-after-watching-porn-in-3d-365 |
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| 09:48.44 | zenzio | lol |
| 09:49.10 | olafski | oh I like the halls of origination screenshots.. who knows we may find en saba nur in there :P |
| 09:49.20 | olafski | en sabah nur* |
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| 09:51.23 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/pure_genius_a_keyhole_for_drun.php |
| 09:52.43 | Kaso | needs to be upside down or it'll just funnel water/ice into the keyhole |
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| 09:53.19 | olafski | that does look useful though |
| 09:55.01 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/tricks_to_teach_your_pet_pig.jpg |
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| 11:01.14 | Zyonin | Grr, I just so llloooovvvvveeee when my cat steps on my keyboard then refuses to move. |
| 11:01.47 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 11:02.11 | Maldivia | sounds like a typical cat |
| 11:02.44 | Zyonin | At least she did not do that while I was hunting up dev lib packages so I could compile something. sudo apt-get... "Arrgh, get off you %#$@!!!!! |
| 11:04.15 | Zyonin | BRB, kernal update so need to restart. |
| 11:04.45 | mikma | lolz, wanna bet how long it takes for him to get back |
| 11:06.04 | Antiarc | What's the approximate detection range on gather nodes? |
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| 11:07.10 | Maldivia | on foot, mouted or flying ? |
| 11:07.32 | Antiarc | Oy, it's different? |
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| 11:07.56 | Zyonin | back |
| 11:09.53 | wereHamster | Zyonin: maybe the cat is trying to tell you something.. maybe that she needs attention? :) |
| 11:10.36 | Maldivia | Antiarc: yes - I've noticed that I can see nodes father away if I mount up |
| 11:11.21 | Xyphoid | even if you're stationary? |
| 11:11.37 | Xyphoid | it looks to me like the game feeds you stuff further ahead of you if you're moving |
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| 11:11.57 | Xyphoid | so it's quite pronounced with an epic flyer |
| 11:12.49 | Maldivia | well, I remember running around in Elwynn, when I picked up mining, saw two nodes ahead of me on the minimap, stopped at the first, dismounted, and the 2nd disappeared |
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| 11:13.02 | Maldivia | but when I mounted up again, i appeared shortly after |
| 11:13.33 | olafski | yeah it tries to predict where you're going and gives you the nodes for that location |
| 11:13.37 | Maldivia | and I know they said somehting about feeding info from farther away when on a flying mount |
| 11:14.11 | Xyphoid | it's really pronounced on a flight path |
| 11:14.14 | olafski | I've found that an epic flyer with crusader aura makes nodes pop up behind you all the time :< |
| 11:14.39 | A-KO | what's the cvar to make screenshots go to tga again? |
| 11:15.05 | Maldivia | epic flight, no matter if its 280, 310, with or with Crusader, I almost never see nodes ahead of me, usually by the time I pass right over them |
| 11:16.33 | Maldivia | A-KO: http://www.wowwiki.com/Changing_the_screenshot_format |
| 11:17.35 | A-KO | hmm..now to get something that converts tga... |
| 11:18.30 | zenzio | TGA to...? |
| 11:18.33 | Maldivia | batch convert, or? |
| 11:18.33 | A-KO | png |
| 11:18.46 | A-KO | yeah, batch would help :P |
| 11:18.46 | zenzio | that's just about every image viewer and editor then :-p |
| 11:18.54 | Maldivia | ImageMagick? |
| 11:19.33 | Maldivia | what OS? want commandline or gui? etc |
| 11:19.41 | Maldivia | freeware? payware? |
| 11:19.51 | A-KO | preferably gui, Windows, freeware |
| 11:20.06 | A-KO | but I can get by with a command line I suppose :P |
| 11:20.57 | zenzio | Xnview can do batch converts |
| 11:21.20 | Maldivia | have imagemagick and make a batch file with something like: for %r in (*.tga) do convert "%r" "%r.png" |
| 11:21.28 | Maldivia | that should convert all tga to png in the folder |
| 11:31.05 | airtonix | isn't there a config file option to change the screenshot format to png ? |
| 11:31.49 | airtonix | because all my screenshots came out as pngs |
| 11:33.30 | Maldivia | only on mac os |
| 11:33.58 | Maldivia | and it's the same cvar, just set to png instead og tga or jpeg |
| 11:40.14 | airtonix | i dont use mac |
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| 12:20.55 | Adys | http://www.wow.com/2010/05/01/know-your-lore-tfh-edition-elune-is-a-naaru/ |
| 12:20.59 | Adys | where the f is this screenshot from? |
| 12:21.20 | airtonix | a place noone goes |
| 12:21.27 | airtonix | elf city |
| 12:21.32 | airtonix | preist temple |
| 12:21.35 | airtonix | priest* |
| 12:21.37 | Adys | No |
| 12:21.40 | airtonix | yes |
| 12:21.41 | Adys | theres a status there. |
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| 12:22.10 | Adys | this.. whatever it is, is shopped, PS, or dev alpha in which case wtf? |
| 12:22.11 | airtonix | im happy for you but it is the goramm priest temple in the elf city. |
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| 12:22.47 | airtonix | read the page adys |
| 12:22.54 | airtonix | The above screenshot (go ahead and view it in full) was taken in the Temple of the Moon in Darnassus. |
| 12:22.58 | Adys | ... |
| 12:23.00 | Adys | ive read that |
| 12:23.09 | airtonix | ok |
| 12:23.12 | Adys | airtonix: this isnt live, this isnt f&f |
| 12:23.14 | A-KO | interesting |
| 12:23.16 | Adys | so what is it? |
| 12:23.34 | A-KO | fake? :P |
| 12:23.36 | A-KO | to draw hits? |
| 12:23.50 | Adys | and they dont mention that anywhere? |
| 12:23.58 | Adys | what the fuck kind of low are they sinking at? |
| 12:24.10 | airtonix | are you talking about this http://greyshades.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/elune.jpg |
| 12:24.17 | Adys | yes. |
| 12:24.29 | Adys | they are trying to pass it as a real screenshot |
| 12:24.51 | airtonix | what makes you think it isn't |
| 12:25.08 | Adys | for one, there is no npc ingame called E'lune |
| 12:25.12 | Adys | and i have every single one of them |
| 12:25.15 | airtonix | apart from the fact that it comes from wow.com |
| 12:25.24 | airtonix | not yet |
| 12:25.24 | Adys | second, the npc name is fake |
| 12:25.34 | Adys | airtonix, i have the cataclysm ones too. |
| 12:25.50 | A-KO | there's only one way to solve this |
| 12:25.58 | Adys | but either way the name is fake |
| 12:25.59 | airtonix | rolls a 20 |
| 12:26.01 | Adys | the font is shopped |
| 12:26.25 | A-KO | for two, I think Blizzard has put the naaru on a back seat anyway |
| 12:26.33 | A-KO | 'cause everyone complained |
| 12:26.36 | Adys | more like they know it was an ungodly error |
| 12:26.38 | airtonix | its easy to use custom fonts though |
| 12:26.41 | Adys | pun unintended |
| 12:26.46 | Adys | airtonix: its not just the font |
| 12:27.00 | A-KO | nobody plays WoW for World of Spacecraft |
| 12:27.01 | Adys | you cant show a npc name like this without showing the other npc's name |
| 12:27.43 | airtonix | i see |
| 12:27.55 | A-KO | mumbles |
| 12:27.58 | airtonix | now that is a valid point |
| 12:28.02 | airtonix | unless |
| 12:28.14 | Adys | the body was never found? |
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| 12:28.17 | A-KO | they have npc names turned off and highlighted that guy |
| 12:28.22 | A-KO | which would show that npc's name |
| 12:28.23 | A-KO | and not the other |
| 12:28.26 | A-KO | but we shall see |
| 12:28.32 | airtonix | ^ |
| 12:28.37 | airtonix | back to zero |
| 12:28.50 | A-KO | sighs |
| 12:28.53 | Adys | in which case it would draw a big selection circle |
| 12:28.57 | Adys | naaru models have a huge hitbox |
| 12:29.40 | Maldivia | well, once the NDA is liften, I'm sure there are some people in this channel who can confirm or deny the picture |
| 12:30.42 | Adys | Maldivia: to be honest |
| 12:30.52 | Adys | i see alpha testers releasing screenshots without even blanking names anymore |
| 12:31.24 | Adys | in most people's minds, the nda doesnt exist anymore :P |
| 12:31.29 | Adys | and im with them |
| 12:31.54 | Adys | this guy earlier on was streaming his char on xfire or something |
| 12:33.17 | Maldivia | well, in this case, where so much info is already known about the expansion, that nothing really comes as a surprise (perhaps worgen female form, that's about it), the nda is somewhat moot yeah |
| 12:33.43 | Adys | and for the record |
| 12:33.55 | Adys | this post is from a week before f&f even started |
| 12:33.55 | A-KO | so far everything that's gotten out was from the alpha leak client |
| 12:34.09 | Adys | A-KO: not really |
| 12:34.16 | Adys | info is starting to leak from "live" too |
| 12:35.21 | Maldivia | yes, the friends and family client getting out speed up everything, but info that can only be obtained from in game has also leaked |
| 12:35.45 | A-KO | I have yet to see any, at least on the major sites |
| 12:35.59 | Adys | because the major sites are either shitting their pants or sleeping |
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| 12:40.19 | Maldivia | better safe than sorry |
| 12:41.20 | Maldivia | anyway, got to go find a present for my mother for Sunday |
| 12:43.40 | olafski | how about a steelseries gaming mouse? |
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| 12:45.10 | Maldivia | hehe, doubt that would be a success |
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| 12:46.35 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
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| 12:46.44 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:48.04 | mikma | haste: http://nerdbots.net/blog/uploads/2009/04/clnskd4v5lklffus94iembyco1_500jpg2-480x456.jpg |
| 12:49.29 | alestane | sneaks into the hugs. |
| 12:50.13 | Cairenn | gives alestane huggles of his own |
| 12:50.30 | alestane | Those are good too. |
| 12:50.36 | Cairenn | :) |
| 12:51.14 | mikma | haste: i just love this (non mix) version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pkW-Zj5voo |
| 12:52.38 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Cairenn! |
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| 12:53.05 | Lopeppeppy | Adventures in grocery shopping: 20 minutes to find crackers I can eat. Am I awake, or is this a nightmare? |
| 12:53.13 | Cairenn | How are you doing sweetie? How's mom now? |
| 12:53.27 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/05/behind-the-curtain/ |
| 12:53.30 | haste | mikma: that's so not for me :P |
| 12:53.48 | Lopeppeppy | The momma is okay, she had checkups yesterday but dodged my call so I don't think she liked what she heard. Typical The Momma. |
| 12:53.52 | mikma | haste: then you suck balls, mmkay. |
| 12:54.07 | Cairenn | Good, and Bleh |
| 12:54.26 | Lopeppeppy | Can't beat her, so I guess I gotta let her make her own choices, no matter how bleh. |
| 12:54.34 | Cairenn | Nod |
| 12:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'm starting the new "don't eat anything" diet, shopping is Loads of Sarcastic Fun. I craved crackers -- big mistake. I have to laugh or I'll go insane. |
| 12:55.24 | Cairenn | =/ |
| 12:56.27 | Lopeppeppy | I did find some interesting flavor tomato-basil-herb cracker thingies I wouldn't have ordinarily tried, so I'm tasting new things, this is good. |
| 12:56.53 | Cairenn | Nod |
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| 12:57.27 | Lopeppeppy | (This is The Bright Side of Insanity. Plus it's Friday!) |
| 12:57.40 | alestane | Keep looking for the basil lining. |
| 12:57.47 | Cairenn | Friday is a Good Think (tm) |
| 12:58.03 | Cairenn | s/think/thing |
| 12:58.45 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q7FFjUpVLg ?? |
| 12:59.12 | Lopeppeppy | It's good to think about too. And I had a lovely sirloin at dinner last night, even got the kitchen to cook it rare for me by making pretty eyes at the chef when I was nagging him about gluten-free options. Flirting is fun. |
| 12:59.28 | Cairenn | Hehehe |
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| 13:01.50 | haste | mikma: :D |
| 13:02.38 | mikma | haste: this is also cool, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey7tGRFLpPE |
| 13:03.14 | `-FISKER_Q | i cannot be stopped haste |
| 13:04.15 | Kalroth | what happens when unstoppable force meets Fisker |
| 13:04.21 | alestane | misses the redheads and their pretty eyes. |
| 13:04.29 | alestane | Want BlizzCon nao plz. |
| 13:04.35 | zenzio | Kalroth: two unstoppable forces? |
| 13:04.53 | haste | mikma: both those songs are pretty well known tho' :P |
| 13:05.04 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/02/the-few-the-proud-the-stealthed/ |
| 13:06.20 | mikma | Yello is a Swiss electronica band consisting of Dieter Meier and Boris Blank. They are probably best known for their singles "The Race" and "Oh Yeah", which feature a mix of electronic music and manipulated vocals, as does most of their music. |
| 13:06.40 | `-FISKER_Q | you better wish it never happens Kalroth |
| 13:06.51 | haste | mikma: I know who they are, and so does probably most people :P |
| 13:07.36 | mikma | haste: yes, i know. |
| 13:11.34 | Wobin | what were the links to Ady's images of caty? |
| 13:13.18 | jadakren | http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/ironman-cptamerica-shield1.jpg |
| 13:13.24 | `-FISKER_Q | you mean the big minimap map? |
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| 13:14.48 | `-FISKER_Q | Wobin |
| 13:14.51 | `-FISKER_Q | imma fuck you up |
| 13:14.57 | batrick | no |
| 13:15.37 | mikma | ban the `-fisker_q -troll! |
| 13:15.39 | jadakren | lewl |
| 13:15.48 | Fisker | i don't know what you're talking about mikma |
| 13:15.56 | olafski | jadakren: where's the cptamerica shield in that picture :S |
| 13:16.01 | jadakren | bottom left |
| 13:16.08 | olafski | oh |
| 13:16.16 | olafski | wow, never noticed that :P I've seen that movie like 3-4 times |
| 13:16.24 | olafski | I did notice it in the second movie though =) |
| 13:16.37 | mikma | except, that's not a shield, lal |
| 13:16.46 | mikma | it's just pixel-mess |
| 13:16.50 | jadakren | thats what she said |
| 13:17.03 | mikma | who she |
| 13:17.37 | jadakren | i see a star in the center of the circle though |
| 13:17.47 | Fisker | i hate you Wobin :( |
| 13:17.57 | jadakren | http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18446/_1273089158.jpg |
| 13:18.36 | mikma | you only see what your eyes want to see |
| 13:19.07 | jadakren | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.07 | mikma | get me a proper screenshot and i'll have a closer look |
| 13:23.23 | alestane | This is worth giggles: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/07/funny-pictures-go-forth-my-minions-2/ |
| 13:23.46 | zenzio | :) |
| 13:27.26 | Cairenn | heh, cute alestane |
| 13:27.51 | alestane | Not a huge street fighter fan myself, but this IS totally what a Street Fighter movie should be, I agree: http://bobshouseofvideogames.com/2010/05/06/video-game-lol-the-street-fighter-movie-we-deserve/ |
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| 13:28.55 | Lopeppeppy | Quack. Duck Tours! |
| 13:29.32 | alestane | Hard to argue with minions that cute. |
| 13:29.43 | Lopeppeppy | Ded of cute is still dead. |
| 13:31.42 | jadakren | http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/18118/_1271358319.jpg |
| 13:32.10 | alestane | It never does turn out well for the minions, does it? |
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| 13:34.58 | Guest14545 | Hello everyone. :) |
| 13:35.09 | Cairenn | hi |
| 13:36.03 | Guest14545 | I have a fairly simple question. I can't find anything on how IDs work for frames. I know how to set an ID and get an ID, but I've no idea how to use them. Could someone please point me in the right direction? |
| 13:36.05 | Fisker | you have made an unwise decision alestane |
| 13:36.17 | alestane | Many, Fisker. |
| 13:37.14 | alestane | A few infrastructures actually use IDs, Guest14545, like action buttons in bars or item buttons in bags, but mostly it's just a number. |
| 13:37.38 | alestane | A way to tell apart otherwise similar frames in a group. |
| 13:38.16 | Guest14545 | That's what I don't get. Why not just prefix each name with a number? Is there an advantage to using IDs? |
| 13:38.27 | Guest14545 | Sorry - "suffix" |
| 13:39.08 | Fisker | you are fools to have come to this place alestane |
| 13:39.53 | Lopeppeppy | alestane isn't plural, last time I saw him. |
| 13:39.58 | Lopeppeppy | shudders. That's just scary! |
| 13:40.12 | Wobin | alestani? |
| 13:40.42 | jadakren | Fisker, http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/hard-biker.jpg |
| 13:40.58 | Guest14545 | OK, I've thought about what I actually mean. Can IDs essentially only be used using SetID and GetID, or is there a special syntax, like: SomeFrame[id]? |
| 13:41.00 | Fisker | he is Lopeppeppy |
| 13:41.15 | alestane | Names also create new global variable references, Guest14545, or require you to spend a lot of time retrieving names, constructing compound names, dereferencing variables, etc. They also mean that if you want the number, you need to get the frame's name and then extract the number portion at the end |
| 13:41.50 | alestane | An ID is stored by the WoW API in C++ somewhere, so the only access to it is through the: GetID() and :SetID() methods. |
| 13:42.08 | Guest14545 | Aaah. OK, that answers my question. Thanks a lot. :) |
| 13:43.32 | Lopeppeppy | do not want multiple alestanii! |
| 13:43.45 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32375 |
| 13:43.48 | Wobin | oh ffs |
| 13:43.49 | alestane | Am I so dangerous, Peppy, for the thought of extras to be that frightening? |
| 13:43.58 | Wobin | someone just ban him completely |
| 13:44.08 | Wobin | he's too stupid to even try |
| 13:44.17 | Kraps | Wobin: loooooooooooooooool |
| 13:45.33 | Kraps | Torhal: hey you're helpful! but only in #wowace... |
| 13:45.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, only there. |
| 13:46.02 | Wobin | in here, you're completely off topic |
| 13:46.13 | Wobin | you should be ashamed of yourself for NOT HELPING HIM HERE |
| 13:46.29 | Wobin | Lesson learned =P |
| 13:46.31 | mikma | oh poop |
| 13:46.46 | Wobin | mikma, no point replying to him, even if it wasn't locked |
| 13:47.08 | Wobin | the very fact he started another thread shows he has -no- idea why the first got locked, despite the followups |
| 13:47.52 | mikma | oh |
| 13:47.59 | industrial | I bet his mIRC script also rejoins him if he gets kicked from a channel |
| 13:48.15 | industrial | is talking about a whole group of people |
| 13:48.17 | industrial | :P |
| 13:48.23 | mikma | heh, thats closed |
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| 13:48.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn|Away] by ChanServ |
| 13:48.52 | Wobin | poor boy, he was so oppressed |
| 13:49.02 | Wobin | we didn't drop everything to write his addon for him =( |
| 13:49.05 | Wobin | FOR SHAME, PEOPLE |
| 13:49.40 | Kraps | how many of you use xchat? |
| 13:49.55 | Wobin | I do |
| 13:49.58 | industrial | Kraps: /ctcp #wowuidev VERSION |
| 13:50.04 | industrial | :-) |
| 13:50.15 | mikma | too bad he has a tag "addon author" under his name |
| 13:50.23 | mikma | gives them a bad reputation |
| 13:50.35 | Mihau | Random Question: 24" or 26" for 1920x1200? |
| 13:50.54 | Lopeppeppy | 26"! |
| 13:50.59 | Wobin | size queen |
| 13:51.11 | jadakren | lewl |
| 13:51.20 | Lopeppeppy | Always, Wobin. *wink* |
| 13:51.29 | jadakren | its how you use it that matters |
| 13:51.44 | industrial | I like offtopic talk better then helping people with addons. |
| 13:51.47 | industrial | :E |
| 13:51.50 | Lopeppeppy | The size of a level allows you to move larger objects through larger distances. |
| 13:51.56 | wereHamster | but with a smaller scree size you get much bigger dpi! |
| 13:51.58 | Lopeppeppy | *lever |
| 13:52.06 | Wobin | Shame, industrial SHAME |
| 13:53.26 | Mihau | Hmm hmm. |
| 13:53.46 | Mihau | Though, 30" at 2560x1600. |
| 13:54.33 | industrial | Wobin: help me with my javascript. |
| 13:54.40 | Wobin | soz |
| 13:54.47 | Wobin | too busy talking offtopic |
| 13:54.49 | jadakren | http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/lipstick-o-death.jpg |
| 13:55.00 | industrial | Fisker: its your fault. |
| 13:55.03 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129153326661431372.jpg |
| 13:55.04 | jadakren | lol |
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| 13:55.31 | Fisker | why is it so industrial ? |
| 13:55.37 | industrial | because Wobin. |
| 13:55.39 | olafski | damn they removed the irc quote that guy posted |
| 13:55.44 | olafski | I was in it :( |
| 13:55.49 | Fisker | why won't you answer me Wobin ? |
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| 13:56.17 | mikma | HAHA! http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/celebrity-pictures-stewart-pattinson-vampire-wow.jpg |
| 13:56.34 | alestane | http://threepanelsoul.com/view.php?date=2007-11-06 , Lopeppeppy. |
| 13:56.53 | Wobin | mikma, he probably plays a belf pally |
| 13:57.18 | mikma | bubble hs |
| 13:57.21 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://ifshoescouldkill.com/ |
| 13:57.24 | Krapsy | whats the red line that shows up? |
| 13:57.47 | Krapsy | in mant chan clients |
| 13:57.52 | Krapsy | brrr |
| 13:57.58 | Krapsy | chat clients |
| 14:00.07 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129153331523115835.jpg .. that's so awesome |
| 14:02.22 | Wobin | Krapsy, that's just the last time the window had focus |
| 14:02.37 | Kraps | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129170616299006900.jpg |
| 14:02.53 | Krapsy | whats the point though? |
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| 14:04.26 | olafski | so you can see where the conversation was when you last looked at this window |
| 14:04.47 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129146630902457086.jpg :DD |
| 14:06.39 | Kraps | test |
| 14:06.50 | Krapsy | success |
| 14:07.48 | Krapsy | test |
| 14:08.04 | Krapsy | again |
| 14:08.41 | Krapsy | koan |
| 14:09.22 | Krapsy | mu |
| 14:09.27 | Krapsy | mu |
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| 14:10.23 | Jrhartley | Hello again, everyone. I have a few more questions I'd appreciate some help with. |
| 14:11.03 | Kraps | ~ask |
| 14:11.03 | purl | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 14:11.29 | Zyonin | Says the bot |
| 14:11.39 | Kraps | must be true |
| 14:11.48 | Kraps | computers are never wrong |
| 14:12.06 | alestane | checks Kraps' medication. |
| 14:12.09 | Jrhartley | Firstly, I'd like to add quest levels to the GossipFrame. I don't know whether I should hook a secure function that will iterate through the quests, or more efficiently, just override the existing function with my own. |
| 14:12.10 | Zyonin | Only if the coders did his sums right |
| 14:12.43 | Jrhartley | I don't know whether it's a question of coding practice or coding style. |
| 14:12.46 | Zyonin | And you have appeased the electronic spirits |
| 14:13.33 | Adys | THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH PULSEAUDIO |
| 14:13.41 | Adys | ITS A BUGFREE APPLICATION |
| 14:13.42 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/191889/ |
| 14:13.48 | Adys | I swear Monsieur le Juge. |
| 14:14.13 | Zyonin | ROFL. Don't get me started on Pulseaudio or Linux audio in general. grrr, grumble, growl, snarl... |
| 14:16.02 | Zyonin | got to run, RL is yanking back. Cya all later. |
| 14:16.24 | Jrhartley | There's no such thing as RL - there is only AFK. |
| 14:16.26 | jadakren | pulseaudio is fine, lol |
| 14:16.32 | haste | no it isn't |
| 14:16.34 | haste | it's okey, not fine P: |
| 14:16.42 | jadakren | nothing wrong here :) |
| 14:17.12 | jadakren | works perfectly for me on the three computers i use it on |
| 14:17.14 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/celebrity-pictures-homer-simpson-facepalm-copy.jpg |
| 14:18.27 | Jrhartley | OK, I'll try a different question. If I take a constant, say NORMAL_QUEST_DISPLAY, and I make a reference to it then replace it with my own. Would the variable still be tainted when I set it back to the original reference? |
| 14:20.12 | Krapsy | erm, how do i change the color of my own text? |
| 14:20.42 | Jrhartley | Ask me one on sport. :D |
| 14:20.55 | jadakren | Kraps, ? |
| 14:21.06 | haste | jadakren: if you make it local, then no |
| 14:21.17 | Kraps | jadakren: in xchat |
| 14:21.22 | haste | if you touch the global, it will be tainted |
| 14:21.27 | Kraps | i dont want it to be gray |
| 14:21.31 | haste | as in assign anything to it |
| 14:21.36 | jadakren | Kraps, settings > advanced > text events |
| 14:21.51 | Jrhartley | Aaah, Of course! Thanks for pointing that out. |
| 14:21.53 | jadakren | Kraps, scroll down to the bottom |
| 14:22.09 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129136554984285259.jpg |
| 14:22.17 | mikma | that picture has "tekkub" written all over |
| 14:22.20 | olafski | mikma: you're too off topic |
| 14:22.30 | olafski | this is not allowed! |
| 14:22.44 | mikma | balls |
| 14:22.46 | jadakren | Kraps, http://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_text_events |
| 14:24.33 | *** part/#wowuidev crapspackle (~iddqd@unaffiliated/crapspackle) |
| 14:25.24 | jadakren | leewl http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/raptor-bunny.jpg |
| 14:25.25 | jnwhiteh | what warrior tree can I tank in that will still be good for leveling |
| 14:25.26 | jnwhiteh | i'm 10. |
| 14:25.37 | olafski | prot |
| 14:25.40 | Lopeppeppy | My best friend swears by prot even for leveling. |
| 14:25.50 | olafski | and so do I ;) |
| 14:25.53 | olafski | but you can tank in any tree |
| 14:25.54 | Krapsy | even at early levels? |
| 14:25.59 | olafski | especially up to 60 |
| 14:26.17 | olafski | once you get shield slam (and even better, shockwave) you can just kill in prot spec and it goes semi fast |
| 14:26.26 | jnwhiteh | when's that? |
| 14:26.33 | olafski | shockwave is 60 |
| 14:26.39 | olafski | dunno about shield slam.. 40 or 50 I think |
| 14:26.51 | olafski | 40 according to wowhead |
| 14:27.00 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 14:27.41 | Krapsy | teat |
| 14:27.46 | Krapsy | GAHHH |
| 14:27.49 | olafski | with tactical mastery your mortal strike does better threat.. =) |
| 14:28.04 | Fisker | yay |
| 14:28.08 | Kraps | Krapsy: ~fail |
| 14:28.14 | jnwhiteh | so what tree would you suggest olafski? |
| 14:28.15 | olafski | but yeah krapsy even at early levels since as soon as I hit 15 I'll go LFD tool :) |
| 14:28.27 | Fisker | Blizzard doesn't discuss bans of short durations! |
| 14:28.28 | olafski | jnwhiteh: will you be questing too? or just dungeons =) |
| 14:28.34 | jnwhiteh | questing |
| 14:28.38 | jnwhiteh | RAF |
| 14:28.46 | Fisker | Of course the only other type of ban (and i know this) is 2 weeks and permanent |
| 14:28.47 | jnwhiteh | i kill tool quickly not |
| 14:28.48 | jnwhiteh | now |
| 14:28.48 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 14:28.53 | jnwhiteh | i have c |
| 14:28.55 | jnwhiteh | 4 heirlooms |
| 14:29.01 | jnwhiteh | everything dies in 2 hits. |
| 14:29.09 | olafski | if you kill too quickly shouldn't you be doing dungeons? at least the mobs are elite there ;) |
| 14:29.23 | jnwhiteh | well I'm only level 10 =) |
| 14:29.32 | jnwhiteh | can't use LFD yet. |
| 14:29.33 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Don't bother questing. |
| 14:29.33 | olafski | 5 more levels, so about 15 minutes =) |
| 14:29.35 | Krapsy | test |
| 14:29.37 | DWSR | Use RAF and dungeon grind. |
| 14:29.40 | Krapsy | test |
| 14:29.44 | DWSR | Krapsy: Read you loud and clear. |
| 14:29.47 | Jrhartley | Guys, I'd like to add extra text to the GossipTitleButtons, and I don't know if I should substitute the original function with my own, or use a secure hook to iterate over the quests in the list and esit them that way. |
| 14:29.49 | jnwhiteh | I can't yet =) |
| 14:30.01 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Yeah, but when you're able to. |
| 14:30.09 | DWSR | Just hit up the dfinder and go bananas. |
| 14:30.10 | jnwhiteh | and spec prot? |
| 14:30.13 | DWSR | You'll hit 60 in like an hour. |
| 14:30.14 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 14:30.20 | Krapsy | why do people assume everyone caf RAF anytime? |
| 14:30.29 | olafski | who assumed that? |
| 14:30.35 | DWSR | Krapsy: jnwhiteh said that he had RAF. |
| 14:30.41 | DWSR | Please, gfy. |
| 14:30.52 | Krapsy | no u |
| 14:31.10 | Krapsy | test |
| 14:31.14 | DWSR | Good idea. It's been at least 20 minutes. |
| 14:31.30 | foxlit | Windows API: bad or horrible? |
| 14:31.40 | olafski | you could just join another channel to test this stuff krapsy ;) |
| 14:31.42 | DWSR | foxlit: Even stink would say it stinks. |
| 14:32.06 | Fisker | why only 4 heirlooms jnwhiteh ? |
| 14:32.06 | olafski | I hear #wowace is always on topic about everything |
| 14:32.10 | DWSR | Though, I hear that the Vista/7 API is much better. |
| 14:32.26 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: its just all I have? |
| 14:32.31 | olafski | the heirloom trinkets don't really help much |
| 14:32.32 | foxlit | So I wanted to port http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9011-BLPLook.html to windows |
| 14:32.39 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Which heirlooms do you have? |
| 14:32.43 | Krapsy | olafski: and annoy them? |
| 14:32.47 | foxlit | Their own SDK samples fail silently :/ |
| 14:32.54 | jnwhiteh | chest, shoulders, 2h, trinket |
| 14:32.55 | olafski | krapsy: you know, irc allows you to make your own channels ;) |
| 14:32.57 | jnwhiteh | i also have 1h |
| 14:32.59 | jnwhiteh | just not using it arm |
| 14:33.00 | jnwhiteh | atm |
| 14:33.05 | DWSR | foxlit: Please don't port that. |
| 14:33.12 | Krapsy | yeah i keep forgetting |
| 14:33.15 | DWSR | foxlit: Anything using Cocoa on Windows is fail. |
| 14:33.18 | foxlit | DWSR: mm? |
| 14:33.23 | foxlit | Oh, but it's not. |
| 14:33.38 | DWSR | foxlit: It looks like iT, doesn't iT use Cocoa? |
| 14:33.43 | jnwhiteh | olafski: any particular suggested builds? |
| 14:33.53 | foxlit | DWSR: the screenshots are of Finder. |
| 14:33.55 | olafski | jnwhiteh: for prot? I'll whip something up =) |
| 14:34.01 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 14:34.03 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 14:34.06 | DWSR | Bleh. |
| 14:34.08 | foxlit | The point is, it enables OS to generate thumbnails of BLPs |
| 14:34.17 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: what level? |
| 14:34.22 | jnwhiteh | i'm 10 |
| 14:34.22 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 14:34.29 | DWSR | foxlit: Don't bother trying to port, then. Build it from scratch |
| 14:34.40 | foxlit | DWSR: again, figurative term. |
| 14:34.49 | DWSR | foxlit: It would be a nice idea. |
| 14:34.55 | DWSR | However, /shrug. |
| 14:35.15 | DWSR | "That's nice, dear" sort of thing. |
| 14:35.17 | foxlit | I basically have the conversion implemented in ANSI C; it'll work regardless. The problem is that windows' shell extension mechanism is a @#$@# mess. |
| 14:35.30 | olafski | jnwhiteh: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LZZVItrh0zVz:f there's a start, up to 40 =) |
| 14:35.30 | jadakren | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeuVNAf7T2E |
| 14:35.38 | jadakren | foxlit, ^ |
| 14:35.48 | jnwhiteh | mikma: wtb guild invite. |
| 14:35.48 | olafski | oh you can have 2 major glyphs at 40 I guess |
| 14:35.59 | Kraps | olafski: needs more dps talents imo |
| 14:36.02 | jadakren | foxlit, maybe you can use the clutter library to do it |
| 14:36.04 | Fisker | what server you on jnwhiteh ? |
| 14:36.07 | jnwhiteh | ED |
| 14:36.07 | DWSR | olafski: You can have 2 major glyphs at 30. |
| 14:36.10 | mikma | jnwhiteh: wtb non-frozen account :I |
| 14:36.12 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: US or EU? |
| 14:36.17 | jnwhiteh | mikma: ack. |
| 14:36.19 | jnwhiteh | i'll manage then |
| 14:36.20 | Kraps | wait nvm |
| 14:36.21 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: EU |
| 14:36.22 | mikma | :) |
| 14:36.23 | olafski | kraps: from another tree? or in prot |
| 14:36.24 | DWSR | ah, too bad. |
| 14:36.26 | DWSR | I'm on US-ED |
| 14:36.45 | Kraps | jnwhiteh: you're only using LFD? |
| 14:36.49 | mikma | yeah i've had my account on frozen for couple of months now, been kinda busy doing schoolstuff :) |
| 14:36.51 | jnwhiteh | no, I'm questing as well |
| 14:36.56 | jnwhiteh | when my friend isn't on |
| 14:37.00 | olafski | I did take the thunderclap thing and incite for a bit more damage |
| 14:37.30 | jnwhiteh | aye |
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| 14:37.46 | Kraps | yeah, but i think imp HS and AttT are good too |
| 14:37.50 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: You could not spend any talent points until 80 and still be fine, tbh. |
| 14:37.51 | jnwhiteh | when I'm solo, 2h, obv? |
| 14:37.56 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: =) |
| 14:38.00 | jnwhiteh | I suspected so |
| 14:38.07 | jnwhiteh | but always nice helping the healers. |
| 14:38.14 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: Yes, until you get shield slam. |
| 14:38.16 | olafski | jnwhiteh: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LZZVItrL0zVdI0o:f @ lvl 50, http://www.wowhead.com/talent#LZZVItrL0zVdIzsGo:f @ 60 |
| 14:38.22 | DWSR | Once you get shield slam, just go NOMNOMNOM with your 1h |
| 14:38.49 | jnwhiteh | ty |
| 14:39.00 | olafski | kraps: sure those are good.. but not worth delaying warbringer and devastate and such for |
| 14:39.06 | olafski | can take them later :) |
| 14:39.31 | olafski | imp HS is only good when soloing anyway.. in dungeons you'll have plenty of rage |
| 14:39.43 | Kraps | (should i level another warrior?) |
| 14:39.47 | DWSR | I already have plenty of rage. |
| 14:39.48 | olafski | heh |
| 14:39.53 | olafski | sure kraps |
| 14:39.55 | DWSR | Kraps: As long as it isn't a priets. |
| 14:39.57 | olafski | I leveled a second one too ;) |
| 14:39.57 | DWSR | priest* |
| 14:40.10 | olafski | was fun.. should level another DK too |
| 14:40.11 | Kraps | DWSR: i have an 80 ptiest |
| 14:40.19 | olafski | but I cancelled my account yesterday so I better hurry if I want to do that |
| 14:40.19 | DWSR | lol |
| 14:40.32 | DWSR | olafski: Leveling a DK is so easy. |
| 14:40.39 | DWSR | I don't even remember 90% of it. |
| 14:41.05 | jnwhiteh | so true. |
| 14:41.17 | Fisker | why would do that olafski ? |
| 14:41.21 | Fisker | are you out of your mind? |
| 14:41.45 | jnwhiteh | mikma: I hope I'm high enough level to promote someone to be able to promote =) |
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| 14:42.00 | Sixen | hai uidev. |
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| 14:42.38 | olafski | I also started on a second paladin fisker, no worries |
| 14:42.59 | olafski | not sure I will continue that though.. it's a horde one :/ |
| 14:45.12 | Kraps | Sixen: bo offtopics in here anymore |
| 14:45.23 | Kraps | no offtopics* |
| 14:45.39 | Sixen | :( |
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| 14:47.28 | Kraps | you cant join a non-existant channel in xchat |
| 14:47.37 | Kraps | meh |
| 14:48.45 | jadakren | yes you can |
| 14:48.50 | olafski | that sounds unlikely |
| 14:48.55 | jadakren | well i can |
| 14:49.22 | Kraps | nvm |
| 14:49.32 | Kraps | too much trouble |
| 14:49.57 | jadakren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.56 | Kraps | i tries that |
| 14:52.56 | Fisker | kisses Kraps |
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| 14:58.18 | Adys | opinions please |
| 14:58.30 | Adys | 2TB external hd, what should i format for archiving? |
| 14:58.34 | Adys | ext3, ext4...? |
| 14:59.18 | Fisker | NTFS |
| 15:00.22 | nevcairiel | I would seriously use NTFS, just for the option to eventually read it with a friends laptop or something =P |
| 15:00.49 | nevcairiel | otherwise, ext4 |
| 15:01.11 | Adys | ntfs is out of the question |
| 15:01.32 | Adys | im keeping various games up there too which i need to run on wine occasionally |
| 15:01.36 | Maldivia | fat32! |
| 15:01.37 | Maldivia | :P |
| 15:01.43 | Adys | oyea goodidea |
| 15:02.07 | Adys | formatting ext4, whatever happens now |
| 15:02.07 | nevcairiel | why would ntfs break your ability to run wine games? :d |
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| 15:02.13 | Maldivia | zfs then |
| 15:02.22 | jadakren | ext4 isnt stable is it ? |
| 15:02.46 | nevcairiel | sure it is |
| 15:02.51 | nevcairiel | been for quite a while now |
| 15:02.51 | jadakren | ok |
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| 15:03.33 | Adys | nevcairiel, wine doesnt properly work on ntfs |
| 15:03.39 | nevcairiel | worked for me |
| 15:03.44 | jadakren | it does |
| 15:04.10 | jadakren | wine doesn't care what file system it access stuff as far as i know |
| 15:04.27 | Maldivia | it shouldn't even know about it |
| 15:04.33 | jadakren | this |
| 15:05.05 | Adys | wine works on ntfs |
| 15:05.07 | Adys | just not properly |
| 15:05.22 | Adys | there are a few crashes, permission issues, so on |
| 15:05.40 | Adys | ask the devs to know which ones, i just know they're there |
| 15:07.27 | Maldivia | well, then its an issue with the fuse driver (or what ever fs driver model is used) |
| 15:07.55 | nevcairiel | whats a simple tooltip addon thats not tinytip? |
| 15:08.15 | Adys | nevcairiel, tiniertip |
| 15:10.00 | Maldivia | what about something like cursor companion etc, that just overrides SetDefaultAnchor to align it with the cursor ? :) |
| 15:10.17 | nevcairiel | or as an alternate question, are there any known bugs with WoW that would cause addon loading to go banans if two LoadManagers are registered? |
| 15:10.46 | nevcairiel | +a |
| 15:10.53 | Maldivia | didn't they mention that as a no-go when they introduced it? |
| 15:11.10 | nevcairiel | not for the same addon, of course |
| 15:11.20 | nevcairiel | since tinytip has this idea of being a loadmanager for its modules |
| 15:11.28 | nevcairiel | but once its active, other addonloader stuff doesnt work anymore |
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| 15:13.40 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Seerah! |
| 15:13.52 | Seerah | morning, peppy! :) |
| 15:13.57 | zenzelezz | "Words you've had wrong your entire life" "For a time, one of my nieces called a sneeze a bleshoo." |
| 15:18.18 | Seerah | My cousin used to say "spisghetti" |
| 15:18.23 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 15:19.14 | Lopeppeppy | Five years of my cousin not being able to prounounce "tr" sounds led to a lot of people thinking he was cussing all the time... |
| 15:19.46 | cog|work | i used to think both had an L in it |
| 15:19.49 | cog|work | "both" |
| 15:19.58 | cog|work | and tabard |
| 15:20.53 | Lopeppeppy | He used F for a replacement. Hoooo boy. |
| 15:21.01 | cog|work | my uncle did that too |
| 15:21.02 | Seerah | lol |
| 15:21.07 | Kraps | my nephews "fix" used to come out as "fuck" |
| 15:21.20 | cog|work | then again, my grandma used to be a transcritionist for Lenny Bruce, so...... |
| 15:21.22 | Lopeppeppy | He loved firefucks. A lot. |
| 15:21.35 | Lopeppeppy | talked about them constantly, had one he waved around proudly. |
| 15:21.45 | Seerah | a transcritionist, or a transcriptionist? :D |
| 15:22.04 | cog|work | as you can see i'm not a tyist :P |
| 15:22.21 | Seerah | just wondering if you were adding that word/relative to the list ;) |
| 15:22.22 | Kraps | so he would ask people to fuck his toys |
| 15:27.24 | Kraps | olafski: yo |
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| 15:30.30 | olafski | yo |
| 15:30.49 | Kraps | know anything about levelin a pally as prot? |
| 15:31.02 | olafski | no.. I RAF boosted my paladin to 60 and leveled to 80 as retri =( |
| 15:31.10 | olafski | started a second paladin who is lvl 20 now though |
| 15:31.22 | Lopeppeppy | I mostly level as a mix of ret and holy |
| 15:31.35 | jadakren | Kraps, retribution till you get holy shield then lol pull mobs |
| 15:31.50 | olafski | I'd definitely go prot now.. but I don't know how the mana management is |
| 15:31.58 | olafski | I imagine you'll be drinking after every second pull in a dungeon |
| 15:32.05 | jadakren | no |
| 15:32.10 | Kirkburn | I've never gone back to pally since trying to level prot/holy in classic. oh god, that was boring. |
| 15:32.17 | jadakren | well i don know about now |
| 15:32.25 | Thunder_Child | Kirkburn: but easy |
| 15:32.25 | Kraps | BoSanc |
| 15:32.40 | jadakren | but during end of tbc and during wrath prot pally was lol |
| 15:32.40 | Fisker | haha |
| 15:32.43 | Fisker | nice try scammers |
| 15:32.50 | olafski | that's lvl 30 though kraps.. you start at 1 ;) |
| 15:32.51 | Fisker | Got an e-mail about a password reset |
| 15:33.10 | olafski | sanc should make it a bit more bearable though yeah |
| 15:33.16 | Kraps | olafski: what? nooooooo |
| 15:33.19 | Fisker | and they had tried to color the link that purpleish color (like you had already visited the link) but failed marvelously on the link itself |
| 15:33.20 | Fisker | hoho |
| 15:33.35 | olafski | and there are some talents in prot that give you mana for being healed and such |
| 15:33.36 | Kirkburn | Thunder_Child, strangely my next character was a hunter, the epitomy of start a film and glance back every now and then, but I don't know - it was probably the slowness that pained me |
| 15:33.56 | olafski | and since taunt does damage now, soloing isn't that bad anymore either |
| 15:34.04 | olafski | exorcism, taunt, judge and most mobs are at about 30% hp |
| 15:34.23 | jadakren | lol fisker licked the clink |
| 15:34.40 | Kirkburn | would it be fair to say that paladins have changed the most of any class since start of classic? |
| 15:36.22 | Kirkburn | I recall many judgement changes over the years |
| 15:36.42 | Seerah | waves at Kirkburn |
| 15:36.59 | Kirkburn | Hullo :) |
| 15:37.07 | Seerah | haven't seen you in a while - are you back? :) |
| 15:37.20 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I kinda disappeared for a year I suppose :P |
| 15:37.38 | Kirkburn | Not back into ClearFont or anything, but back on IRC at least! |
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| 15:37.53 | Kirkburn | totally unrelated to Cataclysm, of course ;) |
| 15:38.00 | Seerah | of course! ;) |
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| 15:38.48 | Lopeppeppy | coincidental! |
| 15:38.58 | Seerah | and I was just asking about being back in general :) You probably don't have to think about CF anymore - there's others, and many people have switched to the "infamous step two" ;) |
| 15:39.27 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 15:39.41 | Seerah | but welcome back |
| 15:39.44 | Kirkburn | The CF website still gets a shocking number of hits |
| 15:39.51 | Seerah | not surprised :) |
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| 15:40.16 | Kirkburn | Well, I fear it may be people mis-googling ClearType :) |
| 15:40.19 | Lopeppeppy | we lurves you. |
| 15:40.24 | Kirkburn | aww |
| 15:40.26 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 15:40.37 | Aelobin | anyone know what happens to cod mail or clicking "return" on a mail, after completing a faction change? |
| 15:41.06 | nevcairiel | bean of light, what happens when two paladins cast it on the same target? |
| 15:41.10 | Seerah | I had to read that three times to get from cod the fish to C.O.D. .... :) |
| 15:41.10 | nevcairiel | does it overwrite? |
| 15:41.13 | nevcairiel | beacon* |
| 15:41.20 | Aelobin | haha Seerah :p |
| 15:41.31 | Seerah | Aelobin: not sure though |
| 15:41.33 | Kirkburn | Aelobin, quick Google says: "A character cannot change factions while there is mail in their mailbox or en route to their mailbox" - does that help? |
| 15:41.37 | Aelobin | Fisker: there be talk of fish, get your trout out |
| 15:41.56 | Seerah | is it cod v. trout? |
| 15:42.14 | jadakren | fiskers busy changing passwords lol |
| 15:42.32 | Kirkburn | Halibut, surely |
| 15:42.39 | Aelobin | Kirkburn: hmm, the mail isn't en-route until you click return though, is it? :S |
| 15:43.13 | Lopeppeppy | simple, do not have mail in the mail. |
| 15:43.33 | Aelobin | ive got quite a few items i need to take with me, so im thinking i could send them to the banker, change, then return them :p |
| 15:43.52 | Lopeppeppy | Take care of business first, then do your transfer. |
| 15:43.53 | Aelobin | saves using the neutral AH <_> |
| 15:43.54 | Kirkburn | I think the case here is that you've sent something to someone else, and the original person moves, then what happens if you click "return"? Probably an error. |
| 15:44.31 | Aelobin | i'll definitely test it, although i dunno if i'll risk my items doing so hehe |
| 15:45.03 | Kirkburn | Well, give it a Google first, it doesn't sound like unlikely that someone else has enquired elsewhere |
| 15:45.42 | Kirkburn | *it seems likely (I fail at double negatives) |
| 15:46.13 | Sixen | cogwheel. I know you're there. |
| 15:46.18 | Sixen | And hai2u peppy. |
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| 15:46.45 | cog|work | hides |
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| 15:46.54 | Sixen | oops. |
| 15:47.03 | Kirkburn | I love that even though I've been away a while, everyone's still here :) |
| 15:47.05 | cog|work | 08:46 -!- Sixen [~Sixen@129-219-159-137.nat.asu.edu] has left #wowuidev [] |
| 15:47.05 | cog|work | 08:46 * cog|work hides |
| 15:47.12 | Sixen | :P |
| 15:47.35 | Sixen | Cog, didn't you write up a bunch of Macros during Wrath Alpha? |
| 15:48.10 | Kraps | Kirkburn: we tried going to other places but no one wants us :( |
| 15:48.28 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 15:49.10 | zenzelezz | I though Kirkburn had accidentally {{speedydelete}}d himself or something |
| 15:49.21 | cog|work | Sixen: i do vaguely remember a thread with a bunch of macros to replace certain addon functionality... |
| 15:49.22 | zenzelezz | +t |
| 15:49.38 | Sixen | Cog, in your memories, does it show the thread starter? |
| 15:50.41 | cog|work | maybe me? |
| 15:51.12 | cog|work | i think i wrote one that added an action bar or something |
| 15:51.52 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, :) I'm trying to think of a humourous response involving {{DNP}} ... so if you could just imagine one yourself and laugh, that'd be grand. |
| 15:52.15 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: I wasn't even sure if my wiki-fu was correct \o/ |
| 15:52.42 | Kirkburn | It was! |
| 15:52.51 | Sixen | You can add Action Bar via Macro? :O |
| 15:54.39 | cog|work | macros can do anything addons can limited only by the amount of code you can physically fit into the macro |
| 15:55.43 | Sixen | interesting |
| 16:03.16 | foxlit | 'Read': is not a member of 'IStream' :( |
| 16:03.38 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:03.41 | Fisker | slap'd |
| 16:05.22 | Kraps | "When Benjamin Franklin told us that there is nothing certain in life except death and taxes, little did he know about warcraft and the whiners that come with it." |
| 16:06.33 | Fisker | ;# |
| 16:06.34 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 16:06.40 | Fisker | want to make out Kraps ? |
| 16:07.05 | Kraps | blizz should do a SC/WC crossover! |
| 16:07.18 | Kraps | DIAF Fisker |
| 16:08.15 | olafski | starcraft is just warcraft in space anyway |
| 16:08.38 | Kraps | orly |
| 16:09.50 | Kraps | i mean something starcraft-y in wow |
| 16:10.00 | Fisker | Starcraft is Warcraft |
| 16:10.03 | Fisker | just a different age |
| 16:10.30 | alestane | Like the Murloc Marine, Kraps? |
| 16:11.23 | Kraps | alestane: come on... |
| 16:13.02 | Lopeppeppy | Booooom. |
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| 16:16.58 | olafski | zergling? |
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| 16:17.08 | Lunessa | STATION! |
| 16:17.21 | jadakren | EVACUATE! |
| 16:18.12 | Fisker | BUSSTOP |
| 16:18.54 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
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| 16:26.08 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih61MJ72v1Y |
| 16:30.21 | alestane | Kraps: "Sorry, something went wrong. |
| 16:30.21 | alestane | "A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation." |
| 16:31.16 | Lopeppeppy | Monkeys fix everything. |
| 16:31.31 | alestane | gets Lopeppeppy some more monkeys. |
| 16:33.03 | Lopeppeppy | And monkey chow. For the monkeys, of course! |
| 16:33.16 | alestane | Go, monkeys, go! Fix EVERYTHING! |
| 16:33.43 | Lunessa | huggles Cairenn|afk, Lopeppeppy, and Seerah|away. |
| 16:33.51 | Lopeppeppy | Purr? |
| 16:33.57 | alestane | ...actually, I'd better keep an eye on those monkeys, or they'll fix Peppy too, and that wouldn't be appreciated. |
| 16:34.06 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe would be good. |
| 16:34.30 | jadakren | <a monkey begins to staple the garbage bag to the washing machine> |
| 16:34.44 | Lunessa | Highly trained monkeys = High School drop-outs we're paying $2.7s/hour? |
| 16:34.52 | alestane | I was thinking of 'fix' in the sense that we apply it to pets. |
| 16:34.53 | jadakren | no actual chimpanzes |
| 16:35.05 | jadakren | with porter hats |
| 16:35.14 | Fisker |  |
| 16:35.24 | jadakren | there goes one |
| 16:36.32 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I might desire that. |
| 16:36.58 | alestane | You'd prefer never to have a 'heat' again? |
| 16:37.13 | Lunessa | avoids this conversation like the plague. |
| 16:37.29 | Fisker | Lunessa |
| 16:37.42 | alestane | Admittedly it might make things simpler, but.... |
| 16:38.07 | Lopeppeppy | Being spayed does not stop a female cat from going into heat. Just from having kittens. |
| 16:38.40 | jadakren | wouldn't the team of monkeys handle it ? |
| 16:38.56 | jadakren | i mean deal with it |
| 16:39.14 | Lopeppeppy | If the team of monkeys wants a baby, they're welcome to create/steal/navigate/procreate their way into parenting. |
| 16:39.24 | jadakren | you dont have a team of monkeys do you alestane ? |
| 16:39.53 | alestane | No, I have to rent them. |
| 16:40.03 | Lopeppeppy | His apartment is very small. |
| 16:40.06 | Lopeppeppy | No closet for the monkeys. |
| 16:40.10 | alestane | Truth. |
| 16:40.22 | jadakren | would be bad when they all get frightened |
| 16:40.23 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy does not tell a lie about the closet space. Ev-ar. |
| 16:40.41 | Fisker | alestane |
| 16:40.47 | alestane | Not that I think she looked in my closets. But in truth, they are small. |
| 16:40.58 | Lunessa | wonders how to get Lopeppeppy into a really small closet space. |
| 16:41.02 | Lopeppeppy | I looked in one of your closets, the one where blankets and towels live. |
| 16:41.09 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, put in some chocolate. |
| 16:41.10 | alestane | Now, that one is VERY small. |
| 16:41.20 | alestane | No chocolate for Peppy... |
| 16:41.26 | Lunessa | grins wickedly. |
| 16:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | I know. |
| 16:41.35 | Thrae | I didn't get the job :( |
| 16:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | Woe to the republic! *huggles for Thrae* |
| 16:41.51 | alestane | Unfortunately, Lunessa, that closet is all full of shelves. |
| 16:42.13 | Lunessa | Alas, Thrae. Alas. |
| 16:42.22 | jadakren | dispatch the monkeys |
| 16:42.23 | Lunessa | alestane: Have to use the coat closet then. |
| 16:42.31 | durcyn | i was just refused an interview because the hiring manager thought i had no mysql experience, despite listing "LAMP" twice on my resume. |
| 16:42.36 | durcyn | i feel your pain, Thrae |
| 16:42.44 | jadakren | before the defecate all over the loungeroom |
| 16:42.57 | alestane | That one is at least conceivable. It's precently occupied by the vacuum cleaner though. |
| 16:43.01 | alestane | presently* |
| 16:43.11 | jadakren | the loungeroom ? |
| 16:43.20 | jadakren | gets filled by one vacum cleaner ? |
| 16:43.26 | Kraps | the northshire farm area is insanely easy now that the mobs are neutral |
| 16:43.29 | alestane | No, the coat closet. |
| 16:43.29 | jadakren | how do you ambulate through it ? |
| 16:43.49 | alestane | Don't need to ambulate through the coat closet, just reach in for things. |
| 16:43.59 | jadakren | yes |
| 16:44.20 | Thrae | durcyn: "He has experience making LAMPs? Hmm, odd thing for a systems engineer to put on their resume." Heh, but all funniness aside, I'm not sure why I was turned down. I sent an email and am crossing my fingers they tell me, since it was entry level (a very hard-to-get-into entry level, but entry level none-the-less). |
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| 16:46.20 | Lopeppeppy | It's very possible the hiring manager doesn't know what LAMP is. I wouldn't be deathly surprised. |
| 16:46.40 | jadakren | it is an obscure acronym |
| 16:46.50 | jadakren | he probably thought you were an internal decorator |
| 16:46.54 | Lunessa | Only geeks know what LAMP is. Managers are usually "not geeks" and proud of their lack of technical accumen. |
| 16:47.15 | jadakren | "woah this guy can use lamps...woopdee doo!" |
| 16:47.28 | nevcairiel | make lamps! |
| 16:47.45 | Thrae | Lunessa: Yeah, and a lot of managers I know don't like technical acronyms, even if they know what they are. |
| 16:47.46 | Lunessa | needs a sammich and a bottle of jack. |
| 16:47.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Whenever I review resumes and cover letters I rip out the TLAs. |
| 16:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | needs... well, she can't have any of that, so how about a freakin' cracker? |
| 16:48.14 | jadakren | 20mm alchohol based black marker is the first stage |
| 16:48.15 | Thrae | But none of that would make durcyn feel better, so I'm sorry :( |
| 16:48.25 | alestane | Sashimi, Lopeppeppy? |
| 16:48.51 | Lopeppeppy | Does not enjoy to eat the raw foosh. And if it has soy sauce or vinegar or saki on it, nope. |
| 16:48.59 | alestane | Ooh! Pad Thai is all rice noodles, is that okay? |
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| 16:49.42 | Lopeppeppy | The noodles, yes. Does that come with sauce? |
| 16:49.53 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 16:50.05 | alestane | Well, yes. But I'm sure some sort of improvisation could be arranged. |
| 16:50.10 | Lopeppeppy | Diet from hell, Shirik! |
| 16:50.16 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:50.30 | alestane | Is mostly eggs and bean sprouts and seafood. Have to leave out peanuts. |
| 16:50.48 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, not easily. No sugar, gluten, vinegar, dairy, nuts. Sauce is damn hard to make without those. |
| 16:50.49 | alestane | Hmm, how to prepare a sauce with no dairy or alcohol? |
| 16:51.17 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0z_TU4Gw5o&feature=player_embedded |
| 16:51.23 | alestane | Pesto? |
| 16:51.31 | alestane | Minus pignoles. |
| 16:51.46 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, cabonara |
| 16:51.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'd have to see an ingredients list, but I also don't like tomato. |
| 16:52.00 | alestane | Usually full of cheese, Wobin. |
| 16:52.08 | Wobin | not the -proper- cabonara |
| 16:52.13 | alestane | Pesto hath no tomatoes. |
| 16:52.27 | alestane | Pesto is basically fresh basil and olive oil. |
| 16:52.30 | Wobin | oh wait. pasta =( |
| 16:52.32 | Lopeppeppy | And most commercial sauces have either vinegar or sugars added to them. The labels, they suck. |
| 16:52.37 | Lopeppeppy | Rice pasta! |
| 16:52.46 | Wobin | well. Cabonara is really just egg |
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| 16:53.08 | alestane | Although most of the recipes I've seen mix in cream. |
| 16:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | I can have egg... but I'm really worried where my cholesterol is going to go with this crap. |
| 16:53.17 | Wobin | You cook up your noodles, and fry up some pancetta or particular meat/veg in some oil |
| 16:53.30 | Wobin | then dump the cooked noodle into the pan, stir it around a bit |
| 16:53.34 | Wobin | turn off the heat |
| 16:53.47 | Wobin | separate an egg. |
| 16:53.56 | Wobin | drop the white in with a bit of the noodle water |
| 16:54.03 | Kraps | really, all melee classes need charge |
| 16:54.06 | Wobin | mix quickly, plate up, and drop the yolk on top |
| 16:54.09 | Wobin | and mix that up |
| 16:54.16 | Lunessa | So last night, during my ICC raid, I order a pizza online. I've ordered from this place every week for the last 1.5 years. My apartment is literally across the street from the pizza place. Guess what NEVER arrived? |
| 16:54.22 | alestane | Cornstarch, Lopeppeppy? |
| 16:54.25 | alestane | Your date? |
| 16:54.28 | Wobin | the noodle/vege/pancetta is just hot enough to cook the egg |
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| 16:55.27 | Lunessa | My pizza. They went to the wrong place, 3 times. Despite calling me on the phone to yell at me that I wasn't opening my door. I had my front door OPEN. Three drivers, three mis-deliveries. At 11pm I told them to just cancel the order. |
| 16:55.44 | jadakren | lol |
| 16:55.51 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, it's one of the easiest and nicest pastas I make |
| 16:56.15 | Wobin | replace the pancetta with some bacon, chop up some zucchini... |
| 16:56.23 | Lopeppeppy | I would try it, Wobin, but I'd have to vet the ingredients list. ... oh. No bacon. |
| 16:56.35 | Wobin | vegetarian works just as well |
| 16:56.55 | Lopeppeppy | It's not vegetarian, it's "no processed meats". I'm a dinosaur, trust me. |
| 16:57.06 | alestane | Must be someone new, Lunessa. |
| 16:57.07 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I can have cornstarch. |
| 16:57.12 | Lunessa | Peppy like to eat meat. |
| 16:57.17 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, must be someone blind. |
| 16:57.24 | Wobin | hm, well any meat will do then |
| 16:57.27 | alestane | You could use that to thicken a sauce, maybe. |
| 16:57.30 | Wobin | (except maybe mince) |
| 16:57.31 | Lunessa | Literally - Across the streat. |
| 16:57.39 | Lopeppeppy | Mince is right out. Sugar and processed. |
| 16:57.44 | Wobin | ugh |
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| 16:57.48 | Wobin | you have -sugar- in your mince? |
| 16:57.57 | Wobin | and ... 'processed'? |
| 16:57.58 | alestane | Or you could also coat meat with cornstarch and fry it. |
| 16:58.02 | Wobin | it's... minced... |
| 16:58.12 | Lopeppeppy | I don't. So my research informs me. It's on the list of "I can't have it". |
| 16:58.12 | Wobin | there's nothing added to it... |
| 16:58.20 | Lunessa | mince meat isn't actually meat. |
| 16:58.31 | Wobin | well, you can go to a butcher and ask them to mince it =) |
| 16:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, I think we're talking different things, Wobin. |
| 16:58.37 | Wobin | oh |
| 16:58.50 | Wobin | (what -is- your mince meat?) |
| 16:58.53 | Lunessa | mince = chopped fine |
| 16:58.54 | Lopeppeppy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincemeat -- processed, fruit, sugar. |
| 16:59.03 | olafski | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201005/errord/Hmmm.jpg :-) |
| 16:59.04 | Lopeppeppy | Pie filling. |
| 16:59.10 | Wobin | oh, not that stuff, no |
| 16:59.10 | Lunessa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincemeat |
| 16:59.18 | Wobin | ground meat =) |
| 17:01.05 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, ground meat is ground meat! |
| 17:01.36 | Lunessa | All this food talk makes me wish I had eaten before coming to the office. |
| 17:02.14 | Wobin | you could order pizza! |
| 17:02.49 | Lunessa | stalks, kills, guts, and hangs Wobin . |
| 17:03.09 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch. |
| 17:03.14 | Lopeppeppy | But I can eat that after it's done hanging! |
| 17:03.26 | Wobin | is full of preservatives =( |
| 17:03.36 | Wobin | (and sugar) |
| 17:03.53 | alestane | Carnivores needs carbs too! |
| 17:04.05 | Wobin | resists making the comment on how he was already hung |
| 17:04.10 | Lunessa | We'll cook it nice and slow, and most of that'll cook out. |
| 17:04.11 | alestane | They get them mostly from the entrails of their prey. |
| 17:07.57 | Lopeppeppy | I won't eat the entrails, or the liver or heart or brain. Too many chemicals and preservatives. Just nice lean muscle. |
| 17:08.33 | alestane | No vitamins in human liver anyway. |
| 17:08.51 | Lopeppeppy | yeah, but I am anemic... liver is so good... |
| 17:08.53 | Shirik | hey Arrowmaster |
| 17:08.55 | Lopeppeppy | with fava beans. |
| 17:09.01 | Shirik | you said last.fm works on the xbox somehow right? |
| 17:10.26 | alestane | So you're not as likely to feed me my own liver as fry it for yourself. |
| 17:11.21 | alestane | Butcher shop/aisle should have fresh chicken liver. |
| 17:12.43 | jadakren | lol |
| 17:12.52 | Lunessa | ... liver is nasty. |
| 17:13.15 | alestane | I've never developed a taste for it, but the wife likes it onw and then. |
| 17:13.18 | jadakren | if its in a supermarket it wont be fresh |
| 17:13.32 | alestane | It's richly aromatic, that's for sure. |
| 17:14.51 | Lunessa | Never really managed to enjoy it, not even as pate. |
| 17:15.09 | Lunessa | you know, mushed, spreadable meat. |
| 17:15.34 | jadakren | chickpea paste is nice |
| 17:15.47 | Lunessa | I'm all about the hummus. |
| 17:16.44 | alestane | Pâte. The cirumflex indicates a dropped 's'. So in other words, paste. |
| 17:16.54 | Aelobin | Kirkburn: i tested that faction change thing with a skinning knife. it let me return it but it didnt appear in my mail 0.o |
| 17:18.09 | cog|work | pate is circumcised pâte |
| 17:18.16 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 17:18.18 | Fisker | wanna make out? |
| 17:18.25 | Lunessa | Ok, anyone in here that /doesn't/ already have an SC:II invite wnat one? |
| 17:18.32 | jadakren | feeling repressed fisker |
| 17:19.09 | Fisker | huh jadakren ? |
| 17:19.46 | cog|work | Fisker: make: *** No rule to make target `out'. Stop. |
| 17:20.09 | Fisker | aww |
| 17:20.10 | alestane | ~cog|work++ |
| 17:20.33 | alestane | ~cog|work |
| 17:20.43 | alestane | ~karma cog|work |
| 17:20.43 | purl | cog|work has karma of 3 |
| 17:20.50 | cog|work | ~karma cogwheel |
| 17:20.50 | purl | cogwheel has karma of 9 |
| 17:21.03 | alestane | I thought they might not be shared. |
| 17:21.03 | cog|work | ~karma cog|away |
| 17:21.03 | purl | cog|away has neutral karma |
| 17:22.40 | Cide | ~karma Cide |
| 17:22.40 | purl | cide has karma of 10 |
| 17:22.43 | Cide | yesss |
| 17:24.06 | Cide | can't believe it's so high when I'm so hostile against idiots |
| 17:24.13 | Cide | I guess the idiots haven't learned about -- |
| 17:24.17 | Fisker | anyway cog|work |
| 17:24.25 | Fisker | want to rm -rf /? |
| 17:24.42 | Fisker | or maybe even sudo rm -rf /? |
| 17:25.12 | cog|work | checks to see what that would output |
| 17:25.18 | *** part/#wowuidev cog|work (~cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel) |
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| 17:25.32 | jadakren | lluz |
| 17:25.35 | Fisker | like you would part the channel |
| 17:25.45 | alestane | I don't think modern distros let you do that without confirmation. |
| 17:25.51 | Fisker | I remember one of my linux servers |
| 17:25.55 | jadakren | nice try alestane |
| 17:25.56 | Fisker | had been running fine |
| 17:25.57 | Cide | but it says force. |
| 17:26.04 | Fisker | Then i found out the disk had apparently failed a week ago or so |
| 17:26.11 | Cide | arrr why are modern distros so BLOATED |
| 17:26.39 | zenzelezz | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/a-handbook-for-wow-guild-leaders-yes-a-book.ars o_O |
| 17:26.43 | jadakren | dsl isn't modern ? |
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| 17:27.57 | zenzelezz | Cide: which distro triggered this statement? |
| 17:28.06 | Cide | <alestane> I don't think modern distros let you do that without confirmation. |
| 17:28.36 | zenzelezz | oh, thought you were talking size |
| 17:28.51 | alestane | I could be speaking too generally. I think OS X doesn't let you rm /, at least not without booting into single-user mode first. |
| 17:29.06 | Fisker | why would you use mac anyway? |
| 17:29.21 | alestane | Because I'm not Fisker. |
| 17:29.37 | Lopeppeppy | FML. In two weeks the editor has gotten my catalog up to A. Just... fml. |
| 17:29.42 | Cide | "trailing 'identifier' illegal in base/member initializer list" |
| 17:29.44 | Cide | what is this? |
| 17:29.50 | Cide | (c++ compiler error) |
| 17:29.59 | alestane | On what code, Cide? |
| 17:30.04 | Fisker | i would definitely use it alestane |
| 17:30.15 | alestane | They didn't start from Z, did they, Lopeppeppy? |
| 17:30.22 | Cide | Foo(int id, const std::string name, const RACE race, int team, player_params params) : |
| 17:30.22 | Cide | m_id(id), m_team(team) m_name(name), m_race(race), m_params(params) { } |
| 17:31.20 | alestane | Looks legal to me. |
| 17:31.46 | cog|work | assuming m_params is declared correctly |
| 17:32.15 | Cide | const params m_params; |
| 17:32.22 | Cide | params being a struct |
| 17:32.27 | jadakren | do the gradients on this page work for any one else using firefox 3.5 ? https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_gradients |
| 17:32.34 | cog|work | and player_params inherits from said struct? |
| 17:32.43 | Cide | oh, sorry |
| 17:32.47 | Cide | it's indeed named player_params |
| 17:32.52 | Cide | const player_params m_params; |
| 17:33.01 | cog|work | missing a comma |
| 17:33.07 | cog|work | m_team(team) m_name(name), |
| 17:33.09 | Cide | oh |
| 17:33.11 | Cide | fuck me |
| 17:33.14 | cog|work | no thanks |
| 17:33.19 | Cide | wonder when that got removed |
| 17:33.46 | Cide | cog|work: oh ok :( |
| 17:33.52 | Cide | I start to sound like fisker |
| 17:34.20 | Fisker | fuck you Cide |
| 17:34.28 | Cide | no thanks |
| 17:34.32 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, no, I've been tracking him through the intro pages. He's doing p. 1 - end, as normal. |
| 17:35.29 | alestane | So he's finished the intro. |
| 17:35.38 | alestane | When does he need to have this handed off by? |
| 17:36.03 | Lopeppeppy | Um, it should have gone to the printer today, to have copies done by the 15th. |
| 17:36.32 | alestane | Who's hosed, him or you? |
| 17:36.46 | Lopeppeppy | Not me. I got the file to him on time. |
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| 17:43.25 | Kraps | weapon skills are so bad :( |
| 17:45.00 | cog|work | old news but still... http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/04/15/gamestation-we-own-your-soul/1 |
| 17:45.11 | Kraps | http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/ask-a-question/chat-live?src=Chat_Church_IM_Chat_728x90_10019_40179 |
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| 17:46.30 | Lunessa | cog|work: They can't own my soul. Someone else already has a lean and right of first refusual. |
| 17:47.15 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
| 17:47.42 | Zyonin | It's a good thing that I had swallowed before reading that, otherwise I would have to deal with the issue of food being a poor substitute for oxygen |
| 17:47.44 | Kraps | cog|work: i dont get it |
| 17:48.04 | Shirik | ok last.fm over xbox = win |
| 17:48.06 | Fisker | that's what your mom said Zyonin |
| 17:48.09 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 17:48.10 | Fisker | FAIL |
| 17:48.11 | Shirik | especially because I have 7.1 surround attached to my xbox |
| 17:48.20 | Shirik | so much better than crappy laptop speakers |
| 17:48.39 | Zyonin | No, my mom did not worry about anyone taking our souls. She packed a .357 Magnum |
| 17:48.46 | alestane | That's a lien, Lunessa. |
| 17:48.59 | Fisker | maybe not Zyonin |
| 17:49.02 | Fisker | but she swallowed |
| 17:49.06 | Fisker | baboom |
| 17:49.06 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes, you're quite right. /needs a nap |
| 17:49.44 | Zyonin | Oh my, typical juvenile "insult" |
| 17:50.22 | Kraps | you mean "typical fisker insult" |
| 17:50.36 | Zyonin | not that I care. I got bigger fish to fry, like the local politicians |
| 17:50.59 | Lunessa | needs better weapons: http://elitistarmory.com/US/Kirin%20Tor/Unkle |
| 17:51.48 | Kraps | ICC? |
| 17:52.19 | Lunessa | My luck on gear in ICC has been pretty poor lately. |
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| 18:05.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: my weapon just got better :D http://elitistarmory.com/US/Laughing%20Skull/Kybelis |
| 18:06.02 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: I'm still sporting a 232 =/ |
| 18:06.08 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 18:06.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i had the Quel'Delar quest mace prior (which i still use for ele) |
| 18:06.23 | Thrae | I'm trying to get together my own 25-man group of raiders I know from all the PUGs I've done. |
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| 18:06.47 | Lunessa | Night: Verra nize. But I don't do heals anymore. I just beat shit to death, without pity or remorse. |
| 18:07.03 | Kraps | nice proc |
| 18:07.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: :P Yeah, i still love healing. |
| 18:07.35 | NightHawkTheSane | what's really awesome is having the most dispels, interrupts, and healing done on lady deathwhisper :) |
| 18:07.48 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I did, once. But it made me a soulless, cranky, bastard. |
| 18:08.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: ... ah, see, i was a soulless cranky bastard already, so :D |
| 18:08.20 | Lunessa | Rock on with your bad self. |
| 18:08.54 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man, gruber is the best parent ever: "I got confused and picked the boy up from school three hours early. Whoops, might as well go see Iron Man 2." |
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| 18:10.36 | Lopeppeppy | I loved my family's collective attitude toward me missing school growing up, "So what?" |
| 18:11.36 | alestane | Usually it's the things you learn elsewhere that make the biggest difference (although the things you learn in school often enable those things). |
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| 18:15.13 | Torhal | Wow |
| 18:15.17 | Torhal | Just wow |
| 18:15.34 | Dagmar | NEWSFLASH: Suspicious beers found unattended at Times Square |
| 18:15.39 | Torhal | Me: "I specifically said "Ace2"" |
| 18:16.06 | Torhal | The guy comes back with "tho I wonder if ace3 tracks loot_open as well" |
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| 18:16.16 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 18:16.28 | Torhal | /wrists |
| 18:16.31 | nevcairiel | It can, if you tell it to! |
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| 18:17.03 | Torhal | nevcairiel: He's looking for the LootWhore functionality. |
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| 18:17.18 | nevcairiel | well that won't work :d |
| 18:17.24 | Torhal | Indeed. |
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| 18:21.00 | Lunessa | I love Exchange + Outlook. And of course, by love I really mean would rather gargle yak pee. |
| 18:21.59 | alestane | Most IT pros regard Exchange rather like a retarded cousin. |
| 18:22.12 | Dagmar | That would be a generous assessment. |
| 18:22.13 | Dagmar | It's crap. |
| 18:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | And I despise my outlook with a crowbar every day. |
| 18:22.24 | Dagmar | The only thing that drives the cost of email up more is spam. |
| 18:22.45 | alestane | Can't trust it not to babble to strangers, can't trust it to do routine tasks reliably, but there's no way you'd ever be forgiven for ditching it. |
| 18:23.01 | Dagmar | There's a degree to which you can't even throw more hardware at the problem with exchange because it's prone to freaking cascading failures when you cluster itl |
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| 18:24.37 | jadakren | is this just angry worker bee babble ? |
| 18:24.49 | Dagmar | This is angry experienced administrator babble. |
| 18:24.57 | jadakren | without any choice in the matter |
| 18:25.41 | alestane | "...all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." |
| 18:26.38 | Lopeppeppy | Such as, by joining other college campusus who have outsourced to google apps and eliminated Outlook entirely. |
| 18:27.18 | alestane | Triggers "Not Hosted Here" syndrome (similar to "Not Invented Here"). |
| 18:27.33 | Dagmar | We're already doing that here. All freshmen are on Google Apps |
| 18:27.44 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: have you ever gargled yak pee? |
| 18:28.01 | Dagmar | We have *half* the hardware that the exchange servers need running sendmail and proofpoint for spam filtering alone. |
| 18:28.18 | Dagmar | That should tell you something about what a resource-hungry piece of shit Exchange is. |
| 18:28.32 | Cide | maybe it's just lonely? |
| 18:28.38 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: No, but I fight with Exchange and Outlook daily. |
| 18:28.52 | Thunder_Child | to be fair outlook/exchange has a ton of options....more than anyone uses however |
| 18:29.03 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: well you might want to try it before you say it's bad |
| 18:29.27 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: This matters little when the "IMAPs falls over for no reason thrice daily" isn't an option you can turn off. |
| 18:29.41 | Lunessa | Right now, Outlook is insisting that I have a piece of unread mail. Which is refuses to show me. |
| 18:30.07 | Lunessa | Dagmar: We disallow IMAP and POP3 connections. |
| 18:30.31 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, it does that to me all the damn time. Drives me mad. |
| 18:30.32 | Dagmar | We'd be using *just* those if we could |
| 18:30.34 | Lunessa | And that makes life even more irritating. |
| 18:30.44 | Dagmar | ...except we'd be doing it without Exchange being even a little bit involved. |
| 18:31.10 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: odd, i have never had that problem |
| 18:31.15 | Dagmar | The IMAP servers that we were running before they let Exchange take the lead on that never fell over this often |
| 18:31.38 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: This is the first time it's ever done it to me. |
| 18:32.03 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa: Lopeppeppy seems to enjoy that issue |
| 18:32.13 | Thunder_Child | and by enjoy i mean plagued by |
| 18:32.43 | Lunessa | wishes this cola bottle had some irish in it, you know? |
| 18:32.44 | Lopeppeppy | Plagued daily, in the manner that rats will chew on the toes of someone locked in a dank dark cell in the bilge of a sinking pirate ship with no hope for rescue or escape!!! |
| 18:33.00 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: no easy fix? |
| 18:33.50 | Lopeppeppy | The monkey in charge is not concerned by my email display issues. He says they will eventually show up in my mailbox. Since it's the freakin' WEBMASTER account, it worries me a little, but not enough to care. I get hundreds of mails a day. |
| 18:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | fails to mention that the monkey in charge tries to get her fired at least once a semester, so she suspects a weeeee bit of bias in the issue. |
| 18:36.48 | Lunessa | .... Mmmmm.. Monkeys. |
| 18:37.06 | jadakren | dispatch v2.0 monkeys |
| 18:37.10 | alestane | This is not one of the monkeys that fix everything,. |
| 18:37.28 | alestane | makes a note that attention must be paid to the types of monkeys. |
| 18:37.37 | Lopeppeppy | No, this is a cranky monkey who breaks a lot of things. |
| 18:38.14 | Lunessa | I just equip monkeys with sledgehammers and crack cocaine. Once they've been dispatched, the user's problem is nearly always permanently resolved. |
| 18:38.41 | alestane | ...or eliminated. |
| 18:38.57 | alestane | ..or at least no longer applicable. |
| 18:40.26 | jadakren | dont forget the pcp |
| 18:41.22 | Lopeppeppy | Elimination is solve-ation, in my book. |
| 18:41.24 | Dagmar | WTF |
| 18:41.31 | Lunessa | If I give them pcp, the monkeys are signle-use. |
| 18:41.36 | Lunessa | single-use. |
| 18:41.39 | Dagmar | Time to ship some "Mexican-Americans" back to freakin' Mexico |
| 18:42.25 | Dagmar | CNN is reporting that basically some students threw what amounts to a collective tantrum because four students showed up to school wearing t-shirts with the American flag on them on Cinco de Mayo |
| 18:42.46 | Dagmar | Are these people truly that unaware of *why* this country was founded? |
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| 18:44.39 | alestane | "The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States." |
| 18:45.09 | Lopeppeppy | tyranny is fun |
| 18:45.22 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: You've been talking to Ackis again, I see. |
| 18:45.53 | Dagmar | They have states in England? |
| 18:46.08 | alestane | THe states weren't in England, that was part of the problem. |
| 18:46.32 | Dagmar | Wait, is someone trying to say that England wants control over the US? |
| 18:46.38 | alestane | When you say "*why* this country was founded," Dagmar, to which county do you refer? |
| 18:46.52 | alestane | They were saying exactly that, Dagmar, in 1776. |
| 18:46.53 | Dagmar | The US. |
| 18:47.13 | Dagmar | Yeah welll, we broke away from them. Old news. |
| 18:47.21 | alestane | That was why this country was founded. |
| 18:47.58 | Dagmar | It was founded for the purposes of self-governance and various and sundry "freedoms" |
| 18:48.06 | Dagmar | One of which is freedom of expression. |
| 18:48.14 | alestane | That came later. |
| 18:48.28 | Dagmar | Throwing a tantrum because someone wore the country's flag on their shirt while you celebrate a foreign holiday is just asshattery |
| 18:48.43 | alestane | It was founded because the government that was currently overseeing their rights was not actually doing so. |
| 18:48.54 | Dagmar | Yes, hence self-governance. |
| 18:48.56 | alestane | I don't disagree that the event you describe was asinine. |
| 18:49.15 | Lopeppeppy | Then don't get too nitpicky in the rest of the debate, hmm? |
| 18:49.19 | alestane | However, self-governance was only necessary because their existing government was abusive. |
| 18:49.32 | Dagmar | self-governance is always necessary IMHO. |
| 18:49.56 | Lopeppeppy | Cheetos are very necessary. |
| 18:50.35 | alestane | The discussion didn't really start with "Hey, you know, screw that king anyway, we should do this ourselves." It started with something more like "Who the Hell does he think he is anyway?" |
| 18:51.06 | alestane | Ironically, The U.S. of A. was founded by a group of people angry at being denied the rights of Englishmen. |
| 18:51.09 | jadakren | or more like. no we wont pay taxes lol |
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| 18:51.28 | Dagmar | "We won't let you do us like you did Ireland" |
| 18:51.31 | alestane | Not "We won't pay taxes" but "we won't pay taxes on which we were not allowed to vote." |
| 18:52.15 | Dagmar | "There will be no First Right of Rogering" |
| 18:52.16 | Dagmar | heh |
| 18:53.00 | alestane | When you get right down to it, yes, the country was founded because King George was a royal prick. |
| 18:53.17 | batrick | benjamin franklin liked him just fine |
| 18:53.35 | alestane | Had he been more moderate in his handling of the colonies, we might still be part of the British Empire. |
| 18:54.06 | jadakren | were any of them moderate ? |
| 18:54.28 | jadakren | from my point of view moderate isn't part of imperialism |
| 18:54.28 | Kirkburn | The ones who lives in the US? :) |
| 18:54.33 | Kirkburn | *lived |
| 18:54.48 | alestane | Instead, he treated the colonies like vassal states, or corporate employees who signed all their rights away in their employment agreements. |
| 18:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | I think the less crazy ones were more moderate. |
| 18:55.14 | tem | Dagmar, what point were you trying to make re: the people wearing american flag shirts? |
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| 18:55.38 | Dagmar | Well, considering those were basically the same people who decided at one point that the proper way to bring peace to Ireland was to deliberately taint their gene pool, I can't really see that sort of thinking working very well over a vast sea you could barely cross. |
| 18:56.02 | Dagmar | tem: They have utterly failed to acclimate to this country if they're complaining about that |
| 18:56.14 | Dagmar | Like, no greater failure could even be possible |
| 18:56.24 | Kirkburn | You realise that a large portion of the US was once Mexican? |
| 18:56.27 | Dagmar | yes, I do. |
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| 18:56.42 | Lunessa | There was and still is some news-media kerfluffle about the incident where several students were told to remove the flags or go home on the 5th of May. They were told that wearing the flags on a supposed holiday for Mexcian-Americans were insensitive and inciting. |
| 18:56.43 | Dagmar | However, once you're here and you're an American _you're an American. |
| 18:57.03 | tem | They can fuck off and die imo. |
| 18:57.05 | Dagmar | It's fine and dandy to celebrate your "own" holidays, but you don't get to tell other people what they can and can't do |
| 18:57.14 | tem | I'll wear an american flag shirt on any goddamn day I want. |
| 18:57.23 | Dagmar | Lunessa: That was administration being pussies, simply put |
| 18:57.43 | tem | (which is never anyway since I think wearing the flag as a shirt is disrespecful to the flag) |
| 18:57.44 | Kirkburn | Dagmar, so, by the US getting land off Mexico, the people there suddenly have to become a different civilization? (I am speaking more theoretically, but trying to show you that life isn't as simple as you're portraying) |
| 18:57.45 | Dagmar | They should have sat the entire student body down in the gym and said "Now just one minute... Remember where you *are*" |
| 18:57.48 | tem | (but that's besides the point) |
| 18:58.02 | Dagmar | Kirkburn,: Do you have any idea what you're talkking about? |
| 18:58.27 | Dagmar | If we can't make an effort to get along, we're basically no longer a country |
| 18:58.33 | Lunessa | The administration could have very well said "You're being jerks" but instead they made the issue about the flags. As a result the incident is getting a lot of attention. And the really stupid thing about all of it is .. Mexicans don't celebrate that day as a national holiday. |
| 18:58.44 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Exactly |
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| 18:59.11 | Dagmar | Administration decided to be stupid. To cater to the lowest common denominator, even though it effectively means working with the intelligence of an angry mob. |
| 18:59.37 | Kirkburn | Wait, is the administration mexican american? |
| 18:59.48 | alestane | Herein hangs a tale, you can tell: "grab my backpack.....its in the fridge" |
| 19:00.07 | Lunessa | So basically you have three groups of asshats here, but the really annoying part is that anyone said anything to the students about wearing flags. Basically, the administrator in question should have said nothing. And if there were any fights then all the participants in fighting should have been suspended for that. |
| 19:00.15 | tem | Kirkburn, american students wore american flag shirts to an american school |
| 19:00.22 | tem | and someone decided to complain about that |
| 19:00.33 | tem | that is why this entire situation is retarded. |
| 19:00.47 | Dagmar | Kirkburn: The school in question... nowhere near the border. Less than a half-day's drive from San Francisco, in fact. |
| 19:00.48 | tem | american students wore american flag shirts to an american school in america |
| 19:00.55 | tem | * |
| 19:02.03 | Kirkburn | Dagmar, half of California used to be Mexican - not saying this bit was, but it's not as American as you're making out |
| 19:02.15 | Dagmar | It used to be *indian* |
| 19:02.21 | Lunessa | Marina Sirtis once asked fans at an SF Con in Tennesee to raise their hands if they were "Irish", "French", "Mexican" and a bunch of other nationalities. Then she said "Bullshit. You're all Americans." |
| 19:02.22 | Kirkburn | No, Mexican |
| 19:02.35 | Dagmar | ...or native-american, or first-nation, depending on how you want to look at it. |
| 19:02.46 | Dagmar | ...and Mexico used to be Spanish for that matter |
| 19:02.49 | Kirkburn | And Mexican in between. |
| 19:03.10 | tem | I don't fucking care |
| 19:03.14 | tem | it was hundreds of years ago |
| 19:03.19 | tem | it's not mexico anymore |
| 19:03.39 | Thrae | nevcairiel: You don't need TinyTip to use TinyTip. Just use TinyTipBasic, TinyTipPositioning, and/or TinyTipTargets. Which would all be a lot better coded if I ever get around to removing the hacks people put in. |
| 19:03.48 | tem | none of these people who are complaining were alive when any part of the us was part of mexico |
| 19:03.58 | Dagmar | You wanna complain that no one's respecting the rights and feelings of the Aberranct Collectivists that will control the place in 300 more years? |
| 19:04.00 | Kirkburn | Stop getting so worked up about it. A lot of people acted stupidly, and you can't just blame the "Mexican-Americans" |
| 19:04.08 | Dagmar | Their view is equally valid |
| 19:04.23 | Thrae | And since I didn't get that job I really wanted, now I have even more time to code addons! ...While drugged, of course. |
| 19:04.29 | nevcairiel | Thrae: i know, and i dont use it, but they guys problem i was debugging did, and was using the config, of course |
| 19:04.43 | nevcairiel | I have standaloneconfig filled in |
| 19:04.51 | Dagmar | Thrae: If you dind't have the drugs, debugging wouldn't be nearly as much fun |
| 19:05.07 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Oh yeah, don't use that, it sucks. I didn't even know TinyTipOptions was usuable. |
| 19:05.23 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:05.55 | Thrae | Someone made TinyTipOptions for me, I tried it out and it worked for me, but I didn't test every option and it seems the one thing I did test worked. 99% of it doesn't. |
| 19:06.10 | Thrae | And now I think it just errors. |
| 19:06.29 | nevcairiel | I'm not 100% sure why tinytip was screwing with his addon loading though |
| 19:06.38 | nevcairiel | i had him do a binary search, and thats what it came up with |
| 19:06.43 | Thrae | Hence part of my comment on WoWI, " |
| 19:06.45 | Thrae | Seems I can't rely on the public." |
| 19:06.46 | nevcairiel | maybe it really is the two-loadmanagers-is-not-allowed |
| 19:07.43 | Thrae | nevcairiel: The actual load manager code is old, from 2.x. It could be something in 3.x has signifigantly changed and/or it sucks. |
| 19:08.29 | Thrae | nevcairiel: I use a ton of addons that act as LoadManagers (DBM, LightHeaded, etc.), so I know it's not that |
| 19:08.54 | nevcairiel | LightHeaded doesnt work like that |
| 19:09.01 | nevcairiel | its modules are always LoD |
| 19:09.08 | nevcairiel | not using the LoadManager directive |
| 19:09.16 | Thrae | Oh, right |
| 19:09.27 | Thrae | See, this is what I get for not coding complex things in a while |
| 19:09.30 | nevcairiel | If you *know* your modules, you dont need a load manager |
| 19:09.43 | nevcairiel | loadmanagers are just there to be conditionally LoD |
| 19:09.50 | nevcairiel | if its there, you are LoD, if not, you always load |
| 19:10.10 | nevcairiel | so i guess in tinytips case, since the modules can be used standalone, its actually valid |
| 19:10.38 | nevcairiel | or they should just not be LoD at all :D |
| 19:10.48 | nevcairiel | out-of-addon-dir-modules are out of style anyway |
| 19:11.15 | Lopeppeppy | and everyone wants to be stylish |
| 19:12.19 | Thrae | nevcairiel: The reason they're LoD is because I was making them into a "library" like scenario where you could move them out of the TinyTips directory and run standalone. But I have a much better idea of what to do now, if I ever get around to it. |
| 19:12.29 | Thrae | nevcairiel: Also, 3.x helps a lot. |
| 19:14.27 | alestane | This latest update to Xcode seems to have bunged its ability to recover from failed build scripts or syntax-check-only compiles. |
| 19:15.43 | alestane | I keep having to quit the IDE and reload it before I can run the compile process again. |
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| 19:28.44 | alestane | http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/05/07/mass_woman_cited_for_running_down_jesus_christ/ |
| 19:30.12 | Lopeppeppy | Loved that article, very funny. |
| 19:30.17 | alestane | I wonder if people call him LJ? |
| 19:30.25 | Lopeppeppy | JC |
| 19:38.33 | ckknight | I started a programming blog on wordpress.com, but one issue I have is sticking code blocks in is either a huge pain or not possible with the inability to put in <script> tags. Anyone have any suggestions (on either to get it working there or to recommend other blogging platforms)? |
| 19:41.56 | Kalroth | ckknight: maybe try with a plugin |
| 19:41.59 | Kalroth | like uhm |
| 19:42.00 | Kalroth | http://www.thunderguy.com/semicolon/wordpress/code-markup-wordpress-plugin/ |
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| 19:46.34 | ckknight | Kalroth: the problem with that is that I'm not self-hosting. I figured it out, though. |
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| 19:58.26 | foxlit | Grrrr |
| 19:58.34 | foxlit | "Treat warnings as errors" is evil. |
| 19:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | aaaargh |
| 19:58.49 | Fisker | haha ckknight |
| 19:58.52 | Fisker | are they fucking nuts? |
| 19:58.53 | Fisker | http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326733 |
| 19:58.56 | Fisker | i fucking lol'd |
| 19:58.58 | cbreak | Warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer. |
| 19:59.03 | ckknight | ah, yea |
| 19:59.10 | ckknight | we don't plan to setting |
| 19:59.11 | cbreak | not ignoring that has saved me lots of time once :) |
| 19:59.13 | ckknight | to settle* |
| 19:59.39 | ckknight | their employees have posted on warhammeralliance, including their VP of licensing, who was very much in favor of it. |
| 19:59.48 | foxlit | cbreak: how so? |
| 20:00.05 | Fisker | i'll have lost all faith in copyright, trademark, etc. laws if they win something like that |
| 20:00.17 | cbreak | I got an endless loop |
| 20:00.23 | ckknight | hey, can people go to http://ckknight.com/ and give me constructive feedback? |
| 20:00.50 | foxlit | ... and now it works. |
| 20:00.55 | foxlit | Curse you, x64 building. |
| 20:00.55 | Fisker | you look like a younger version of that gay guy from Boondock Saints ckknight |
| 20:00.59 | Fisker | constructive enough? |
| 20:01.52 | ckknight | Willam Dafoe? |
| 20:01.53 | cbreak | don't remember the details, but it was something like this: for (unsigned int i = max-1; i >= 0; i--) |
| 20:01.53 | Fisker | yeah i think that's him |
| 20:01.53 | ckknight | I like him as an actor |
| 20:01.53 | ckknight | cbreak: hehe, that'll never finish ;-) |
| 20:01.53 | mikma | ckknight: lol, you look like a dick |
| 20:01.53 | cbreak | exactly |
| 20:01.53 | mikma | there's your feedback |
| 20:01.57 | cbreak | since that I never ignore warnings |
| 20:02.08 | Fisker | lets see |
| 20:02.24 | Fisker | haha |
| 20:02.45 | ckknight | mikma: oh be nice. |
| 20:03.02 | Fisker | well this site thinks you're mickey rourke |
| 20:03.10 | Fisker | that's just adding insult to injury |
| 20:04.02 | Lopeppeppy | ckknight, it sort of looks like I expected, legible but entirely in Greek. :) |
| 20:04.09 | ckknight | :P |
| 20:04.11 | olafski | I have my blog hosted on wordpress.com ckknight and it has syntax highlighting somehow |
| 20:04.15 | olafski | can find out how if you like :) |
| 20:04.18 | ckknight | olafski: I actually figured it out. |
| 20:04.20 | alestane | http://www.applegeeks.com/comics/viewcomic.php?issue=99 |
| 20:04.28 | olafski | alright =) |
| 20:04.28 | ckknight | [sourcecode language="csharp"]blah![/sourcecode] |
| 20:04.31 | olafski | ah |
| 20:04.38 | Shirik | I'm not sure I want to go to a site named "applegeeks" |
| 20:04.38 | olafski | yeah I probably used that :) it was in javascript |
| 20:04.59 | alestane | The comic has nothing to do with Appl, Shirik, although one does appear in a panel. |
| 20:05.22 | alestane | More accurately, that page requires no interest in the company or computers. |
| 20:05.28 | Fisker | so ckknight know when you have to get it in the butt in court? |
| 20:05.46 | ckknight | well it's not me specifically |
| 20:05.50 | ckknight | not sure the court date, tbh |
| 20:06.21 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, it's a comic about my job. |
| 20:06.27 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:06.42 | Lopeppeppy | Now you can feel safe reading it, you know it's not appley. |
| 20:07.12 | alestane | For some reason, most of the comics I find about people in peppy-ish situations depict redheads. It's like they know or something. |
| 20:07.27 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. Eat your face. |
| 20:07.29 | ckknight | redheads are the crazy ones |
| 20:07.40 | Lopeppeppy | Damn skippy straight I'm insane. |
| 20:07.50 | ckknight | <-- redhead |
| 20:07.54 | Lopeppeppy | It took me 20 minutes to buy crackers for breakfast!!!! |
| 20:08.04 | Lopeppeppy | Get a better picture, ckknight, you don't look ginger. |
| 20:08.13 | ckknight | yea, bad lighting |
| 20:08.18 | ckknight | I don't take good pictures, though |
| 20:08.25 | ckknight | I either look way too intense or just high |
| 20:08.33 | Lopeppeppy | Me either, but I found one for the lol page recently! |
| 20:08.38 | Cide | I'm always intense!! |
| 20:08.47 | ckknight | Lopeppeppy: have you seen MIA - Born Free? |
| 20:10.23 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
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| 20:11.05 | alestane | Like this one, another all-time favorite: http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20040324.html |
| 20:15.31 | alestane | I know Peppy's seen that one before. |
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| 20:16.30 | ckknight | Lopeppeppy: it's very interesting, artistically |
| 20:17.56 | ckknight | see, the problem with female tech workers is that the weight of their breasts slowly seeps out any good computer knowledge |
| 20:18.02 | ckknight | jk ;-) |
| 20:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | ...you will die, and by my hand. |
| 20:20.18 | alestane | You should know better than to make jokes like that, ckknight. |
| 20:20.40 | ckknight | it's okay, she won't touch me |
| 20:20.47 | ckknight | I've got the "kung fu" |
| 20:21.16 | Thunder_Child | so tehc women are left with boobs and an intense desire to use outlook? |
| 20:21.17 | alestane | She doesn't need to touch you. How many people in this channel would lynch you for her? |
| 20:21.20 | Thunder_Child | tech* |
| 20:21.32 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/box/win.png |
| 20:21.36 | ckknight | just remember: |
| 20:21.38 | ckknight | I did it for the lulz |
| 20:22.15 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: i assume thats the night sky in auchindoun |
| 20:22.20 | Thunder_Child | or rather, part of |
| 20:22.24 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/322/ |
| 20:22.36 | Thunder_Child | or was that an instance |
| 20:23.05 | ckknight | hehe, alestane |
| 20:24.02 | mikma | foxlit: umm |
| 20:24.14 | Lopeppeppy | I go home now, bye bye! |
| 20:25.27 | Kirkburn | Isn't that planet in the Nagrand sky? |
| 20:25.32 | foxlit | mikma: umm? |
| 20:25.59 | Kirkburn | Yup: it is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96649248@N00/2456702075/ |
| 20:27.36 | Fisker | hello |
| 20:29.18 | Cruciformer | Good evening everyone. |
| 20:35.04 | mikma | foxlit: whats the idea in that "win.png" |
| 20:35.23 | foxlit | It's on WINdows? |
| 20:35.59 | mikma | prolly some cool extension |
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| 20:39.28 | mikma | tekkub: http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/tricks_to_teach_your_pet_pig.jpg |
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| 20:54.44 | foxlit | mikma: One that's been exceedingly annoying to write :( |
| 20:55.43 | mikma | hailol. wasted |
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| 20:59.23 | Lunessa | Shoot zem. Shoot zem both. |
| 20:59.40 | foxlit | I need more guinea pigs to test this, really |
| 20:59.49 | Kraps | this is terrible http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/titanic_adventure_slide2.jpg |
| 21:00.06 | Lunessa | foxlit: What terrible creation are you unleashing? |
| 21:00.26 | foxlit | BLP thumbnail generator for windows |
| 21:00.42 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/box/Icons.png |
| 21:00.49 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/box/Icons.PNG |
| 21:01.22 | Lunessa | I'll subject myself to your terrible creation. But in return you must bring us.... |
| 21:01.26 | Lunessa | a SHRUBBERY! |
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| 21:02.16 | Lunessa | Also, I envy you for having an SSD. |
| 21:02.50 | alestane | Didn't yu design a QuickLook for BLPs or MPQs, foxlit?\ |
| 21:02.57 | foxlit | BLPs, yeah |
| 21:03.03 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/box/BLPView.zip << It is, however a shell extension packaged in an installer. |
| 21:03.26 | foxlit | Should theoretically create and register either C:\Program Files\BLPView\BLPView32.dll or C:\Program Files\BLPView\BLPView64.dll |
| 21:03.28 | Lunessa | I'll snag it when I'm at home. |
| 21:03.37 | foxlit | Or it may explode. |
| 21:03.48 | mikma | jnwhiteh: see what foxlit said |
| 21:04.14 | jnwhiteh | mikma: I know? |
| 21:04.16 | cog|work | http://www.thefiledump.net/pictures/l/lazymowing12.gif |
| 21:04.18 | foxlit | Lunessa: Also, I envy you for having an SSD. << It's awesome :) |
| 21:04.32 | mikma | jnwhiteh: then go test you |
| 21:04.36 | foxlit | Cuts down on the loading time quite a bit. |
| 21:04.50 | alestane | I could be crazy. I thought someone produced a QuickLook for Mac OS for either MPQs or BLPs. |
| 21:05.24 | Lunessa | alestane: I have it installed. I forget who did it though. |
| 21:05.37 | alestane | Which is it? |
| 21:05.56 | Lunessa | I have the BLP viewer for Mac OSX - and it was Foxlit. |
| 21:06.20 | alestane | So I wasn't specific enough, because he linked a Windows version when I asked. |
| 21:06.20 | Lunessa | the QuickLook bit. :) |
| 21:07.46 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/box/BLPViewRaw.zip just gives you the DLLs and instructions to register them. |
| 21:08.06 | alestane | Or his response was not causally related to my post. |
| 21:08.27 | foxlit | I'm not sure I like either approach - installer is a blatant executive, and shipping DLLs is both unfriendly and carries the same trust issues. |
| 21:12.05 | Lunessa | Fortunately, foxlit hasn't abused my trust to date. Though now that I've said something I expect my Windows 7 box at home to die a horrible death. |
| 21:12.22 | foxlit | Out of interest, 32 or 64? |
| 21:12.29 | Lunessa | 64 |
| 21:13.37 | foxlit | same as me, then |
| 21:13.44 | Lunessa | A pretty "clean" machine too. WoW, SC:II, Windows 7 64 Pro, Firefox, Chrome and ... Quicktime/Itune/Safari. And my beloved Notepad++ |
| 21:14.32 | Lunessa | It's getting a little long in the tooth though. I really need a better machine. |
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| 21:16.09 | foxlit | Lunessa: mostly the same; tend to just use the desktop for blizzard stuff |
| 21:16.51 | Lunessa | Yeah, all I really have time for these days is quick code snippets, e-mail and some games. Hell, I didn't even install Office. |
| 21:26.10 | Kraps | http://www.wow.com/2010/05/07/the-failure-of-secrecy-the-alpha-leaks-and-the-wow-community/#continued |
| 21:29.18 | Lunessa | And for something non-wow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ1uaDgzs4k - my friends performing Time After Time |
| 21:30.27 | zenzelezz | "Linux Users Donate Twice As Much As Windows Users, On Average"... of all the things to compare, I find this stupid |
| 21:35.34 | Kraps | pretty good Lunessa |
| 21:35.47 | Lunessa | Britt has a lovely voice. |
| 21:38.37 | Lunessa | Kraps: That article is a bunch of sanctimonious hooey. |
| 21:41.07 | Kraps | explain |
| 21:42.47 | Lunessa | He's explaining in how terrible Blizzard is treating people by not just giving away the information in the first place, and that they should never tell fan sites that they shouldn't publish data thats not ready for release, yadda, yadda. Like his position is on of the disappointed father talking to a wayward child. |
| 21:43.33 | Lunessa | It's just his way to get some page-views. And it reeks. |
| 21:44.51 | Thrae | Lunessa: How dare Blizzard not give away information they don't want, and shouldn't, give away. The people have a right to know *everything*! I for one am sick and tired of only hearing unconfirmed rumors of how many times Ghostcrawler pees every day. I need authentication! |
| 21:45.13 | Lunessa | I know. |
| 21:46.59 | Kraps | night guys |
| 21:47.30 | Lunessa | I know I'm a grumpy person 'cause I didn't get an invite, but really... I'm not complaining to Blizzard that they should just publish everything that's not ready. And as the author of the article alludes to Blizzard employees feeling like they /had/ to leak to get some attention to their pov? PUH-LEASE |
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| 21:53.08 | Lunessa | time to go home. See ya! |
| 21:59.03 | ZorbaTHut | I'm sort of surprised Blizzard doesn't do some kind of a subtle watermark overlay on alpha rendering, but I suppose it's pointless if you're not actually planning on suing anyone |
| 21:59.42 | Nechckn | That's just because they are using steganography... look out when they figure who leaked it! |
| 22:00.07 | Nechckn | Actually, they likely already eliminated the perp, so there will be no coverage. =) |
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| 22:00.31 | ZorbaTHut | well, that's what I mean - watermark/steganography to deduce this sort of thing :) |
| 22:00.48 | cog|work | wonders why he's being redirected to eu.battle.net |
| 22:00.52 | DagmarX | OMG you have to be kidding |
| 22:01.04 | DagmarX | There's so many syllables in those words they'll never be effective |
| 22:01.08 | Nechckn | And folks thought they were bing nice offering to make a cute screenshot for you, internally. |
| 22:01.58 | Nechckn | hears Blizzard cackling all the way to the meat locker, where they keep the fingers of those who talked... |
| 22:07.03 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: what good would a watermark do, when the screenshots aren't taken using the client? |
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| 22:08.29 | ZorbaTHut | maldivia, who says you only watermark the screenshots? |
| 22:08.38 | ZorbaTHut | if it's subtle enough, you just watermark the rendered image. |
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| 22:08.55 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: so you want them to watermark every single texture in game? |
| 22:08.55 | kneeki | Hey all |
| 22:09.25 | ZorbaTHut | no, I'm saying they watermark the *rendered image* |
| 22:09.29 | ZorbaTHut | i.e. the thing displayed on the screen |
| 22:09.35 | kneeki | How would I go about returning the tooltip info to a string from an item in the inventory, so I can search it? |
| 22:09.42 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: and when a model viewer is use - no watermark!? |
| 22:10.11 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think the model viewer stuff is the bulk of the leak that people care about |
| 22:11.00 | ZorbaTHut | most of what I've seen is people commenting about the screenshots. |
| 22:11.16 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: well, if you consider all the shots on mmo, they are from a model viewer, considering there are no mobs/npcs/etc |
| 22:11.50 | ZorbaTHut | it's possible that stuff just isn't in the game yet |
| 22:12.10 | ZorbaTHut | alternatively, if they are from a model viewer, another solution would be to tweak the format in enough ways so that it broke model viewers. |
| 22:12.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's unclear if there are enough people clamoring for alpha screenshots that they'd get actual hackers to work on it. |
| 22:12.29 | ZorbaTHut | Or, hey, watermark every single texture ingame. |
| 22:12.50 | A-KO^ | what exactly are we talking about? |
| 22:13.14 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, I'm suggesting a few techniques Blizzard could theoretically use to figure out who's leaking from the alpha, if they cared, which, honestly, they probably don't. |
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| 22:13.21 | A-KO^ | ZorbaTHut: stenography |
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| 22:13.44 | ZorbaTHut | steganography, and yes, that's what I'm suggesting ;) |
| 22:13.46 | A-KO^ | Microsoft implemented ID codes into the Windows XP beta ISOs during the latter end of the XP beta which put the ID of the MS Beta account into the download. |
| 22:13.57 | A-KO^ | :P |
| 22:14.04 | ZorbaTHut | But if everything is run through a model viewer - and I don't know if it is or not - it does get a little more complicated. |
| 22:14.39 | A-KO^ | Honestly, I doubt they care enough. For one, most of the MMO-Champ stuff was taken on a private server program anyway. |
| 22:15.14 | A-KO^ | and damnit this sun is annoying |
| 22:16.33 | kneeki | Is it possible to read the tooltip information of an item if you have not moused over it? |
| 22:16.43 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: but so far, what's found on mmo-champ, anyone who could get their hands on the client could find out |
| 22:17.10 | Maldivia | kneeki: yes, there's a method that returns the info, and even tell if you if its int, spirit, str etc |
| 22:17.11 | Torhal | GameTooltip:SetHyperLink("item:23487") |
| 22:18.01 | kneeki | Maldivia: Is what what Torhal pasted? |
| 22:18.26 | Torhal | No, I just showed you how to set the tooltip without mousing over the item. |
| 22:18.32 | Maldivia | !api getitemstats |
| 22:18.32 | lua_bot | GetItemStats: Returns a summary of an item's stat bonuses (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemStats) |
| 22:18.43 | kneeki | Well, I'm just tryign to read the tooltip information, not set the tooltip :) |
| 22:18.50 | ZorbaTHut | maldivia, sure, I don't see an issue with that. Clients don't all have to be made equal. |
| 22:18.50 | Torhal | That's what you do. |
| 22:18.56 | Torhal | You have to SET it to READ it. |
| 22:19.03 | Torhal | Heh |
| 22:19.13 | Maldivia | kneeki: look at GetItemStats, if you're just interested in item tooltoips |
| 22:19.34 | kneeki | Torhal: Ah |
| 22:19.59 | Maldivia | kneeki: otherwise tooltip:SetHyperlink("item:xxxx") and then read the tooltip lines one at a time |
| 22:21.51 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: afaik, they haven't actually leaked anything from the game, ie anything that requires you to be connected to the server to find out |
| 22:22.23 | ZorbaTHut | maldivia, yeah, what I'm saying is that you can require an authorized logon to download the client, then hand out different clients, customized per user |
| 22:23.19 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: so you would have it create individual textures on the fly, for the million textures ingame, to detect it afterwards? |
| 22:23.22 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.23 | Cruciformer | kneeki: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136247 |
| 22:23.31 | A-KO^ | and then each screenshot, taken from whomever, gets tagged. So millions of people taking screenshots means that original person's ID would be all over the place. |
| 22:23.39 | ZorbaTHut | Yeah, pretty much. It wouldn't be particularly hard, you can trivially do it at disk access speed. |
| 22:23.51 | kneeki | Cruciformer: oooo |
| 22:24.06 | Maldivia | kneeki: which info in particular are you after? |
| 22:24.17 | ZorbaTHut | From what I remember, WoW doesn't seem to have a particularly heavily baked format - it's just simple DXT texture compression, and that's ultrafast. |
| 22:24.37 | Cruciformer | kneeki: part of that that I dont use were commented out in my code so look over it carefully but I use that a lot and its very helpful. |
| 22:25.16 | Torhal | kneeki: You're using GetSpellLink() for an ITEM link? :D Try grabbing the second return value of GetItemInfo() instead |
| 22:25.21 | kneeki | Maldivia: I'm trying to make an addon which will auto scan the mounts a player has, figure out which ones are epic, and pick a random one depending on flyable or not. -.- |
| 22:25.29 | Maldivia | kneeki: the reason your above script didn't work is because you need to anchor a tooltip for it to be visible |
| 22:25.37 | kneeki | ah duh |
| 22:25.57 | Torhal | kneeki: Have you looked at Squire? |
| 22:26.04 | Fisker | DWSR |
| 22:26.05 | kneeki | Not heard of it |
| 22:26.06 | Fisker | you there? |
| 22:26.36 | Torhal | kneeki: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/squire.aspx |
| 22:26.39 | Maldivia | kneeki: it does exactly what you want to do :P |
| 22:26.49 | Torhal | Yup |
| 22:26.59 | kneeki | ahhh |
| 22:27.24 | kneeki | My addon searching is fairly limited to WoWI. I never search curse or any other site. :) I'll give this addon a shot though |
| 22:27.27 | kneeki | thx! |
| 22:27.30 | Maldivia | although, I think it relies on a set of spell ids instead of tooltip scanning |
| 22:27.42 | Fisker | ~seen DWSR |
| 22:27.44 | purl | dwsr is currently on #wowuidev (3d 5h 16m 58s) #wowace (3d 5h 16m 58s). Has said a total of 457 messages. Is idling for 7h 47m 5s, last said: 'I don't even remember 90% of it.'. |
| 22:27.49 | Maldivia | morning Cairenn |
| 22:27.53 | Torhal | Maldivia: It does. That and GetCompanionInfo() I believe |
| 22:27.59 | Cairenn | hi Maldivia |
| 22:28.01 | Fisker | why must i get so damn many SC2 keys? |
| 22:28.09 | Torhal | Fisker: Because you want to give me one. |
| 22:28.22 | Fisker | Aren't you US? |
| 22:28.30 | Maldivia | Fisker: because Blizzard figured, that anyone you can give a key must be better than you :P |
| 22:28.31 | Torhal | Bah. Semantics. |
| 22:28.41 | Torhal | But yah. US :( |
| 22:28.47 | Maldivia | the SC2 keys aren't region specific |
| 22:28.53 | Torhal | Hrm |
| 22:28.58 | Fisker | they were last i checked |
| 22:29.08 | Fisker | Blizzcon, etc. keys are obviously not |
| 22:29.21 | Fisker | But keys sent out randomly should be region specific |
| 22:29.34 | Maldivia | the invite-a-friend keys I got from EU created a US SC2-beta for a friend of mine |
| 22:29.44 | Fisker | oh weird |
| 22:29.54 | Fisker | well if you're up for it you might as well get it Torhal |
| 22:29.58 | foxlit | Keys aren't region locked |
| 22:30.02 | foxlit | battle.net accounts are |
| 22:30.03 | Maldivia | the nationality of the battle.net account determines if you get EU or US |
| 22:30.04 | foxlit | Or something. |
| 22:30.18 | Fisker | It's just weird |
| 22:30.36 | Fisker | heard a few weeks ago about someone who had an EU account then got an "US key" and it gave him an US account as well |
| 22:30.38 | foxlit | Another 8 days until the 25 arena points / day gets me enough points to buy an actual item |
| 22:30.59 | foxlit | meanwhile, what do I waste honor on? |
| 22:31.07 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, mounts |
| 22:31.14 | foxlit | have them from the token days |
| 22:31.33 | Dagmar | Man that was an epic clickfest |
| 22:31.41 | Maldivia | Cairenn: so, when beta comes, are you planning a massive UI push again, or perhaps just a beta-guild for the lucky few ? :) |
| 22:31.45 | Dagmar | I almost regret having run AV so many times |
| 22:31.59 | Cairenn | Maldivia: hoping to do the massive keying again |
| 22:32.00 | foxlit | surprisingly, the marks I had the most of was eots |
| 22:32.01 | Dagmar | I would have really, really appreciated a way to convert those tokens in bulk |
| 22:32.08 | kneeki | Woo! Squire is perfect :D |
| 22:32.11 | kneeki | thx all |
| 22:32.21 | Fisker | i don't think there's many backend changes |
| 22:32.33 | Cairenn | Maldivia: but can't make any promises - I /think/ they'll let us do it again, but I could be wrong |
| 22:32.52 | Fisker | I actually made an addon |
| 22:32.56 | Fisker | maybe i should publish it for a key |
| 22:33.16 | foxlit | Does it unleah the trollocallypse on /2? |
| 22:33.23 | foxlit | s/a/as/ |
| 22:33.23 | zenzelezz | replacing every incoming chat message with "Fisker is awesome" is not a proper addon, Fisker |
| 22:33.24 | ZorbaTHut | I don't suppose anyone knows what the version number exposed by the Cataclysm client is? :P |
| 22:33.57 | Fisker | it doesn't do that zenzelezz |
| 22:34.05 | Fisker | It just spams the comm channel until it disconnects you |
| 22:34.13 | Fisker | though i could just change the comm message to "Fisker is awesome" |
| 22:34.28 | Maldivia | Cairenn: what were thte guild names last time - can't remember: P |
| 22:34.42 | Cairenn | heh, I don't recall either, atm |
| 22:34.56 | zenzelezz | <Minion of Cairenn> |
| 22:35.05 | Fisker | i wish |
| 22:35.10 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut,: Prolly going to be 4.0.0 |
| 22:35.19 | foxlit | Kind of sad, really |
| 22:35.38 | foxlit | upgrading the neck from 245 to 264 would net me 2 resilience rating and 5 stamina. |
| 22:35.46 | Fisker | indeed it is Dagmar |
| 22:35.48 | ZorbaTHut | the beta clients are generally 0.x |
| 22:35.51 | haste | zenzelezz: we should make that as the EU guild |
| 22:36.01 | Fisker | i'm resistance capped on nda's |
| 22:36.19 | Maldivia | ZorbaTHut: according to what can be found everywhere online it.s 4.0.0 build 11927 |
| 22:36.20 | haste | Caireen's Minion would also work! |
| 22:36.22 | foxlit | If it's not a clever pun on some FrameXML concept, it's not a developer guild. |
| 22:36.32 | foxlit | Also, guilds as titles probably strays against some naming policy. |
| 22:36.36 | zenzelezz | haste: can you use apostrophes in guild names? |
| 22:36.44 | haste | with some GM help you usually can |
| 22:36.57 | ZorbaTHut | alright, I should push a version of QH that blatantly doesn't work on cataclysm |
| 22:37.24 | Fisker | oh haste |
| 22:37.26 | Fisker | I WANT A BUNNY |
| 22:37.48 | Dagmar | Well, I'm going on the basis of a) it's a major change like WoTLK and BC, and b) they've got all these other little updates listed counting 3.5, 3.6 and so on up to 3.9 just before Cata |
| 22:38.05 | ZorbaTHut | oh sure, I agree the release version is going to be 4.0 |
| 22:38.11 | ZorbaTHut | but as I said, many betas are actually 0.x version numbered |
| 22:38.45 | Dagmar | Oh yeah, the PTR always has weird-ass numbers on it, but lord only knows what the Cata client is going to expose |
| 22:38.49 | Dagmar | Good luck guessing through that one |
| 22:39.18 | ZorbaTHut | I'll probably just make it yell if you're not using something in the range [3.3,4.0) |
| 22:39.26 | Dagmar | Just punch in a list of numbers for clients that are known, and if anything that might not match PTR/live shows up give a dialog of "OMG UR IN CATABETA CAN I TOUCH U?" |
| 22:39.56 | ZorbaTHut | eh, I'd rather not re-patch for any updates that might be coming out |
| 22:40.01 | ZorbaTHut | I want one version now to last forever. |
| 22:40.10 | ZorbaTHut | for certain definitions of last. |
| 22:40.36 | Fisker | As i recall all of Blizzard's expansion betas have always run like it was the "final" |
| 22:40.55 | Fisker | i.e. Patches are 0.x.x but the betas are 2/3/4.x.x |
| 22:41.01 | Fisker | well .0.0 really |
| 22:41.01 | Dagmar | effing awesome |
| 22:41.18 | Dagmar | I might be able to get work to loan out some water pumps |
| 22:42.20 | wereHamster | are you in louisiana? |
| 22:42.21 | Torhal | I guess 455-619KiB/sec isn't bad from Blizzard's servers. I'd prefer 2GiB/sec, of course. |
| 22:42.32 | ZorbaTHut | goddamn I'm having a million times more trouble with this boss's adds than I am with the boss itself (no this isn't wow related I'm just venting) |
| 22:42.49 | Dagmar | wereHamster: no, I'm in Nashville |
| 22:42.51 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: l2p issue! |
| 22:43.05 | wereHamster | knows nothing about USA geography |
| 22:43.18 | Fisker | i need better internets Torhal |
| 22:43.21 | Dagmar | Well, we're the people that got 15-20 inches of rain all at once last weekend. |
| 22:43.24 | Torhal | ZorbaTHut: Isn't QH not going to work by default on Cata release due to outdated information? |
| 22:43.27 | Dagmar | I still have no electricity |
| 22:43.36 | Torhal | Fisker: I agree. |
| 22:43.44 | Fisker | mine kinda sucks |
| 22:43.44 | wereHamster | I thought that happened in louisiana.. wherever that is |
| 22:43.50 | ZorbaTHut | torhal, sure, but I want an error message more useful than "it doesnt work" |
| 22:43.52 | Fisker | it's technically supposed to be 20Mbit |
| 22:43.58 | Kalroth | Fisker: haaa arrownet |
| 22:43.59 | Fisker | But it's more like 10-15Mbit |
| 22:44.01 | Fisker | :( |
| 22:44.01 | Torhal | Heh |
| 22:44.03 | wereHamster | Dagmar: so how does your intertubes work? |
| 22:44.07 | ZorbaTHut | I want "Questhelper doesn't work on Cataclysm. Sorry! Check (url) for reasons why." |
| 22:44.08 | Fisker | Kalroth it's the only decent coverage down here |
| 22:44.16 | Kalroth | Fisker: No Stofa? |
| 22:44.38 | Fisker | And i'm so damn angry that they dug down infrastructure for fiber, but they won't commit to it because this town is too small |
| 22:44.41 | Dagmar | wereHamster: I *work* at Vanderbilt University and we kinda have IPv6 backbones here. We *still* *ALMOST* went offline this weekend due to flodding |
| 22:44.43 | Fisker | and why the heck would i want stofa? |
| 22:44.57 | Kalroth | Fisker: they got 50mbit? |
| 22:45.18 | Corrodias | good thing ipv6 is water-resistant |
| 22:45.26 | Dagmar | ppfft I wish |
| 22:45.28 | Fisker | likely not where i live Kalroth |
| 22:45.36 | Kalroth | Fisker: Hum? |
| 22:45.51 | Kalroth | I can't get more than 15mbit DSL, I got full 50mbit |
| 22:46.01 | Fisker | infact i can't even get it here |
| 22:46.11 | Kalroth | oh |
| 22:46.30 | Dagmar | We still have a 3/4 trailer generator outside as a "just in case" measure |
| 22:48.08 | Kalroth | Fisker: http://www.speedtest.net/result/807442303.png its a little sluggish atm but I got streaming stuff going :p |
| 22:48.12 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (spode@213-21-77-27.bon.t3.se) |
| 22:48.33 | kd3 | is highly glad he escaped the atlanta flooding without any major issues back in september |
| 22:48.57 | Fisker | i think i can beat that Kalroth |
| 22:49.06 | Kalroth | Fisker: lies |
| 22:49.53 | Fisker | http://www.speedtest.net/result/807443795.png |
| 22:50.42 | Kalroth | Fisker: omg best dsl |
| 22:50.43 | Dagmar | 8ms ping == cheating |
| 22:50.49 | Fisker | naw :(? |
| 22:50.57 | Dagmar | I don't think it really counts if you work in the building with the testing site. hehj |
| 22:51.17 | Cide | psh |
| 22:51.20 | Fisker | so that's how you wanna play it? |
| 22:51.27 | Kalroth | here comes the BBB user! |
| 22:51.37 | Kalroth | oh, or not |
| 22:51.45 | Cide | yes I do |
| 22:51.46 | Cide | in sweden, decent broadband gives you <10ms to all of sweden |
| 22:52.00 | Kalroth | did BBB ever roll out their gigabit connections? |
| 22:52.22 | Cide | not atm anyway |
| 22:52.41 | kd3 | looks at his paltry 1.5/128k link and cries |
| 22:52.57 | kd3 | damn you, ass-end-of-nowhere atlanta! damn you to hell! |
| 22:52.57 | Fisker | is france ok Dagmar ? |
| 22:53.05 | Fisker | http://www.speedtest.net/result/807445789.png |
| 22:53.26 | Dagmar | Fisker: Actually, yes |
| 22:53.40 | Kalroth | uploading fake numbers is cheating too! |
| 22:54.12 | Fisker | they're not fake :/ |
| 22:54.13 | Kalroth | (modifying the flash app counts as this too) |
| 22:54.28 | Fisker | i'm not |
| 22:54.30 | Kalroth | or using a server located at the DIX |
| 22:54.34 | foxlit | "Windows Vista is responsible for scaling down or down sampling images. If your handler is asked for a larger image than you have available, provide the closest size you have. Do not attempt to dynamically resize your own image." |
| 22:54.37 | Fisker | i am however injecting a proxy inbetween that's local |
| 22:54.41 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 22:54.43 | Kalroth | :p |
| 22:54.45 | foxlit | Is it just me or are the first two sentences kind of unrelated? |
| 22:55.13 | Kalroth | I'm confused |
| 22:55.21 | Dagmar | Well, basically the test is supposed to represent a _useful_ number, but if you're so close to the testing center that you're only like 3-4 hops from it, the test becomes meaningless |
| 22:55.38 | Fisker | bandwitdh isn't supposed to suffer a lot from range |
| 22:55.53 | Dagmar | At that point it only represents your connection to the test site, and not the internet as a whole |
| 22:55.55 | Kalroth | foxlit: I guess it is saying that you shouldn't fuck with images, Vista will do it for you |
| 22:56.49 | Fisker | well i'm not even sure how accurate it is |
| 22:56.54 | Dagmar | Fisker: I know a dude who works for the ISP in Indiana where one of those sites is |
| 22:56.55 | Fisker | right now i'm getting 6Mbit/s |
| 22:57.01 | Fisker | but i could just turn on a torrent and get double that |
| 22:57.02 | Fisker | easily |
| 22:57.24 | Dagmar | It's fairly pointless for him to paste a shot of <2ms ping times and well, wire-speed for gigabit ethernet. |
| 22:57.31 | cbreak | I won my first SC2 match EVER! |
| 22:57.36 | Fisker | i disagree cbreak |
| 22:57.37 | cbreak | my having my opponent Disconnect :( |
| 22:57.41 | Dagmar | congratulates cbreak |
| 22:57.51 | Dagmar | cbreak: Hey it still counts! :) |
| 22:57.56 | cbreak | yeah :) thanks :) |
| 22:58.19 | foxlit | Now, did you bore them to death? |
| 22:58.21 | cbreak | I guess a full-defense strategy with tones of ravens works |
| 22:58.22 | cbreak | yes |
| 22:58.24 | cbreak | exactly |
| 22:58.37 | cbreak | I think they are my new favorite unit |
| 22:59.00 | foxlit | Ravens? wru, gas. |
| 22:59.01 | cbreak | (by the way, is it normal that you can't zoom out much?) |
| 22:59.09 | Fisker | yeah :/ |
| 22:59.13 | foxlit | Yes. You can't zoom out at all, really |
| 22:59.14 | Torhal | steals Fisker's Internet connection. |
| 22:59.18 | Fisker | i think they nerfed it further a few patches ago |
| 22:59.23 | Fisker | or they changed the FOV maybe |
| 22:59.27 | Dagmar | Yes, you'd have a substantial advantage if you could zoom out to see the entire map at once |
| 22:59.40 | Fisker | It's not so much that |
| 22:59.52 | cbreak | I thought I saw rotation and zooming in one demo video |
| 22:59.54 | Fisker | besides (unless that's the fix i talked about) widescreen users have an advantage |
| 23:00.10 | Fisker | It's just silly you can barely have a nexus in your image without having it take up the whole screen |
| 23:01.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (~Creek@67-197-1-37.rh1.dyn.cm.comporium.net) |
| 23:01.52 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 23:01.58 | Shirik | I am assuming direct control |
| 23:01.59 | Cide | the pov is fine, l2p |
| 23:02.19 | Fisker | you cannot Shirik |
| 23:02.28 | Shirik | I believe I just did |
| 23:02.35 | Cide | oshi- |
| 23:02.40 | Fisker | i'm assuming direct control |
| 23:03.01 | Shirik | I am assuming direct override control |
| 23:03.28 | foxlit | Hey, Shirik, test my shell extension? |
| 23:03.42 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 23:03.50 | Fisker | play russian roulette with a pistol ;3 |
| 23:03.52 | Fisker | you start |
| 23:04.16 | foxlit | I resent the comparison. |
| 23:04.17 | Cide | lua> math.random(1, 6) == 6 |
| 23:04.17 | lua_bot | Cide: false |
| 23:04.19 | Shirik | ~roulette |
| 23:04.19 | purl | ACTION watches shirik pull the trigger: Click! |
| 23:04.32 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 23:04.35 | Fisker | ~roulette Shirik |
| 23:04.38 | Cide | your turn Fisker |
| 23:04.42 | Fisker | oh they removed that |
| 23:04.48 | Fisker | naw Cide |
| 23:04.50 | Fisker | i said a pistole |
| 23:04.53 | Fisker | pistol* |
| 23:04.54 | Fisker | jerks |
| 23:04.58 | Shirik | ~dict pistole |
| 23:05.03 | Shirik | that means something |
| 23:05.10 | Fisker | ;o |
| 23:05.17 | Cide | probably read about it on wikipedia eh? eh? |
| 23:05.22 | Shirik | probably |
| 23:05.27 | Cide | haha |
| 23:05.33 | Cide | I imagine that gets you quite a bit of random knowledge |
| 23:06.07 | Shirik | I know many things I probably shouldn't know |
| 23:06.14 | Shirik | primarily due to pages I delete |
| 23:07.22 | Dagmar | Shirik: Are you as excited about the new porno marker as I am? |
| 23:07.24 | Fisker | so looking forward to subversion Shirik ? |
| 23:07.42 | Dagmar | I wanna see that damn troll get his slap down |
| 23:08.07 | Shirik | porno marker? |
| 23:08.17 | Dagmar | They're adding a new category for "adult materials" |
| 23:08.31 | Dagmar | Remmeber that jackass Fox interviewed claiming there was craptons of child porn on WP? |
| 23:08.35 | Dagmar | He's behind this. |
| 23:08.37 | Shirik | right |
| 23:08.50 | Shirik | you know what's funny? |
| 23:09.06 | Shirik | Jimbo is deleting a bunch of pornographic pictures right now as we speak, and the community is restoring them |
| 23:09.11 | Dagmar | Honestly, I've *looked* for porn on WP just to see what someone might have thought so "porny" that it was worth putting in WP |
| 23:09.27 | Dagmar | "The community" is probably 4channer |
| 23:09.31 | Shirik | http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Jimbo+Wales |
| 23:09.37 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 23:09.54 | foxlit | Clearly shirik's bot should flag jimbo as a vandal |
| 23:10.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (~Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 23:10.05 | Shirik | I only work on enwiki, not commons |
| 23:10.09 | Dagmar | Yeah, those filenames just shriek "/b/-tards" to me |
| 23:10.11 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/app/19030/ <-you will gift me this game Shirik |
| 23:10.18 | Shirik | the fact that I have an account on commons is just a side effect of the unified login |
| 23:10.49 | Shirik | Fisker, have a HL2 key |
| 23:10.49 | Cairenn | Station |
| 23:10.57 | Shirik | I've had an extra copy for years now |
| 23:11.16 | Fisker | i got every valve game in existence |
| 23:11.23 | Dagmar | Ooooh civ game specials. I'll have to see if that latest one is in there |
| 23:11.30 | Fisker | it is |
| 23:11.32 | Shirik | Fisker: Obviously not that game |
| 23:11.43 | Fisker | you can get all 4 of the new ones for a pretty nice price |
| 23:11.52 | Fisker | That's not a valve game |
| 23:12.01 | Shirik | you lai |
| 23:12.12 | Dagmar | Yeah I decided at the last minute that *somehow* I really no longer gave a damn about the GTA universe so I skipped that one |
| 23:12.22 | Fisker | anyway |
| 23:12.27 | Fisker | gift me a copy Shirik |
| 23:12.32 | Shirik | you have a copy |
| 23:12.38 | Fisker | no |
| 23:12.44 | Shirik | anyway Dagmar, this isn't the first time that's come up (even by the same guy) so |
| 23:13.02 | Shirik | I'm sure it will be only slightly more eventful than last time |
| 23:13.08 | Fisker | do it Shirik :( |
| 23:13.40 | Fisker | Ackis then |
| 23:13.42 | Fisker | you are my friend |
| 23:14.17 | Lunessa | Fairly presumptuous of you. |
| 23:14.41 | Sixen | (4:14:05 PM) davidcramer: anyone want wowinterface.org :P |
| 23:14.41 | Sixen | (4:14:11 PM) davidcramer: expires end of june ;) |
| 23:14.54 | Fisker | :( Lunessa |
| 23:15.00 | Cide | ^ @ Cairenn |
| 23:15.10 | Cairenn | see it, thanks |
| 23:15.43 | jnwhiteh | he still being combative then? |
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| 23:16.07 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 23:16.23 | Fisker | ~seen Ackis |
| 23:16.26 | purl | ackis is currently on #waruidev (4d 2h 7m 5s) #sc2mapster (4d 2h 7m 5s) #wowuidev (4d 2h 7m 5s) #arl (4d 2h 7m 5s) #wowace (4d 2h 7m 5s) #curseforge (4d 2h 7m 5s) #wowwiki (4d 2h 7m 5s). Has said a total of 122 messages. Is idling for 1d 8h 37m 33s, last said: 'RETCON'. |
| 23:17.17 | Cide | that's a funny message to go afk with |
| 23:17.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:17.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 23:17.25 | Fisker | just do it Shirik |
| 23:17.33 | Lopeppeppy | I think he's xboxing. |
| 23:17.35 | Lopeppeppy | Again. |
| 23:17.36 | Lopeppeppy | still. |
| 23:17.40 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:17.57 | Shirik | No, I'm cleaning my apartment |
| 23:18.00 | Fisker | he needs to gift me rocket knight |
| 23:18.03 | Shirik | I actually forgot how nice my apartment is |
| 23:18.11 | Shirik | I finished one room and it's really nice |
| 23:18.18 | Cide | haha |
| 23:18.23 | Cide | who'dve thought |
| 23:18.39 | Fisker | Shirik needs to gift me rocket knight |
| 23:18.49 | Shirik | oh btw, steam cleaning is so incredibly difficult without a hot water heater |
| 23:19.25 | Shirik | I've been adding hot water to my steam cleaner with http://www.amazon.com/Sunbeam-6131-Water-Dispenser-Black/dp/B000C3QSPQ |
| 23:19.31 | Shirik | and it takes forever to fill up |
| 23:19.39 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: He claims he isn't "so bad anymore" and that he "watches movies" and "other stuff" |
| 23:19.55 | Shirik | I don't watch movies |
| 23:20.02 | Torhal | Shirik: Talking about Ackis :) |
| 23:20.04 | Iriel | Shirik: Kettle |
| 23:20.04 | Fisker | dooooooooo it Shirik |
| 23:20.04 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:20.24 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:21.31 | Iriel | http://www.amazon.com/Aroma-AWK-115S-X-Press-2-Liter-Cordless/dp/B000KDVTJI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1273274437&sr=1-1 |
| 23:21.57 | Fisker | i will destroy you then Shirik |
| 23:22.06 | Shirik | unlikely |
| 23:22.07 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:22.11 | Shirik | Iriel: I thought about that |
| 23:23.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm cleaning too, Shirik! But no steam cleaner for Peppy, just a big thorough vacuuuuuum. |
| 23:23.18 | Fisker | Clean my steam Lopeppeppy |
| 23:23.21 | Fisker | gift me rocket knight |
| 23:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker love, I wouldn't clean your steam with someone else's wand. |
| 23:24.54 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 23:24.57 | Shirik | oh god that won't go over well |
| 23:25.07 | Shirik | commons is talking about emergency desysopping jimbo |
| 23:27.37 | foxlit | Ahem. |
| 23:27.46 | foxlit | Code Jam qualification round has started -- http://code.google.com/codejam |
| 23:28.42 | foxlit | You have roughly 23.5 hours left to solve some relatively easy algorithmic challenges in your favourite programming language. |
| 23:31.34 | foxlit | "In hopes of destroying the universe by means of a singularity, I have purchased N Snapper devices and chained them together by plugging the first one into a power socket, the second one into the first one, and so on." |
| 23:34.49 | Arrowmaster | this is fucking retarded, playing halo3 and got slayer br on guardian 3 fucking times in a row now, im protesting by just jumping off the map everytime i spawn |
| 23:37.56 | Fisker | you will obey me Shirik |
| 23:38.29 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, what's wrong with that |
| 23:38.33 | Shirik | BR on guardian is awesome |
| 23:38.38 | Arrowmaster | i hate it |
| 23:38.48 | Shirik | BR almost anything is awesome |
| 23:38.52 | Shirik | except valhalla |
| 23:38.55 | Shirik | valhalla can DIAF |
| 23:38.55 | Fisker | Shirik you leave me no other choice than to assume direct control |
| 23:39.42 | Arrowmaster | no spartan laser and no good sniping spots so i cant get a 10 kill streak |
| 23:39.44 | Fisker | and there is nothing you can do to stop me Shirik |
| 23:39.54 | Arrowmaster | so no chance of getting the achivements im trying to get |
| 23:42.50 | Arrowmaster | slayer on guardian now |
| 23:43.04 | Arrowmaster | everywhere i fucking go on this fucking map i get shot in the back |
| 23:43.16 | Fisker | you know what i hate Shirik |
| 23:43.16 | Fisker | ? |
| 23:48.22 | Torhal | Fisker: StarCraft II isn't downloading fast enough. I want a refund. |
| 23:51.18 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 23:51.32 | Fisker | i want Shirik to gift me a damn game |
| 23:55.15 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:56.21 | Arrowmaster | sword spree killing spree and 3 double kills getting all 3 top medal spots yet lats place |
| 23:56.22 | Shirik | hahahaha |
| 23:56.26 | Shirik | ok the community is taking this a little far |
| 23:56.29 | Shirik | http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=38894141 |
| 23:56.32 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was trying to spartan laser them |
| 23:57.17 | foxlit | "artworks", by "notable artworks" |
| 23:57.20 | foxlit | eh? |
| 23:58.57 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 23:58.58 | Fisker | just do it |
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