| 00:00.10 | Shirik | they haven't announced yet |
| 00:00.10 | Nechckn | Because they are a'scared of FIOS! |
| 00:00.12 | Lopeppeppy | Will it actually be an improvement? Or is it just pretty numbers? |
| 00:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Was going to say. Comcast offers a 50mbit down service here.. |
| 00:00.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Residential at that |
| 00:00.43 | Nechckn | Small print "only if no one in your state is online while you are..." =) |
| 00:00.50 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:00.59 | Fisker | why so docsis3.0 Shirik ? |
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| 00:16.11 | Kraps | me levitating "on" a cliff in EOTS |
| 00:16.24 | Kraps | http://www.box.net/shared/pq863pjp7o |
| 00:16.46 | Lopeppeppy | Wall walking, hax! |
| 00:17.44 | Kraps | i got punted off the flag area, hit levitate and landed there |
| 00:23.20 | harl | gn8@all |
| 00:23.35 | Lopeppeppy | oh hi? |
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| 00:46.57 | dusky | what's the best way to determine if I'm in a party? |
| 00:47.49 | Lopeppeppy | will not be a smart ass, will not be a smart ass... |
| 00:47.56 | Wobin | resists |
| 00:48.10 | Wobin | ...so.... easy.... |
| 00:48.26 | foxlit | asses. |
| 00:48.30 | Jerub | dusky: do you see red cups full of beer and douchebags hitting on chicks? |
| 00:48.49 | Jerub | failed his save vs. smartass. |
| 00:49.23 | foxlit | UnitInParty; UnitExists |
| 00:49.51 | foxlit | [on party1, not player] |
| 00:50.18 | dusky | foxlit wins. |
| 00:50.35 | Lopeppeppy | I was scanning http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api to find something useful sounding. |
| 00:50.35 | dusky | Lopeppeppy, what would you have said? |
| 00:51.00 | Lunessa | She was just going to point out the douchebags hitting on her, but then that's just IRC. |
| 00:51.06 | alestane | GetNumPartyMembers() ? |
| 00:51.12 | Lopeppeppy | I was going to say, check your screen? |
| 00:51.16 | dusky | I'm also kind of offended that Wobin would say such a thing. |
| 00:51.38 | Wobin | why offended? |
| 00:51.55 | alestane | In a macro clause, [group:party]. |
| 00:52.04 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin didn't say anything at all, he resisted with me! |
| 00:52.19 | dusky | I'm offended at you, too, Lopeppeppy. |
| 00:52.59 | Wobin | perhaps you need to become a little more thick skinned on the Internet =P |
| 00:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | Bah humbug. Then go scan the documentation yourself! |
| 00:53.16 | Wobin | we weren't even -trying- to offend =P |
| 00:53.43 | dusky | It wasn't an entirely serious question. nor were my answers entirely serious either. |
| 00:55.44 | Wobin | So... offense was offered.... when? |
| 00:56.11 | Wobin | Personally, I'm offended that you expected a straight answer on the Internet, right off the bat |
| 00:56.16 | Wobin | We have -standards- you know! |
| 00:56.31 | Jerub | Wobin: exceptionally -low- standards. |
| 00:56.32 | Wobin | We could get our IRC cards revoked! |
| 00:56.42 | Lunessa | That's right. I wouldn't join any channel that would have me as a member. |
| 00:57.01 | Jerub | Wobin: except me. i have tenure. |
| 00:57.03 | Lopeppeppy | hates Lunessa! Rawr! ... come join her channel? |
| 00:57.24 | Lunessa | Is that an inner or outer join? |
| 00:57.32 | Wobin | left? |
| 00:58.11 | Jerub | i think it's a natural join |
| 00:58.13 | Jerub | tee hee |
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| 01:20.22 | Cide | Shirik: halp |
| 01:22.01 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh Cide |
| 01:22.02 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Cide!" |
| 01:22.04 | Shirik | Cide wat |
| 01:23.00 | Cide | why does vc++ show a value for a local variable declared before that line has been executed? |
| 01:25.03 | Jerub | Cide: because that memory location contains something already. |
| 01:25.13 | Jerub | it's just junk that's been left over on the stack. |
| 01:25.22 | Cide | well it hasn't been declared when the breakpoint is reached |
| 01:25.34 | Cide | is it "declared" beforehand by vc++? |
| 01:25.41 | Jerub | Cide: yes, but its memory address has been reserved and precomputed at that point of the stack. |
| 01:25.44 | Cide | alright |
| 01:25.47 | Cide | that explains that |
| 01:25.52 | Cide | now help me figure out why it crashes thanks |
| 01:26.58 | kd3 | bad kd3 bad |
| 01:27.12 | Shirik | yes Cide |
| 01:27.14 | kd3 | don't go driving around a heavily-patrolled part of town with your wallet sitting at home |
| 01:27.23 | Shirik | it's allocated when you enter the function, because it's just on the stack |
| 01:27.31 | Shirik | fail kd3 |
| 01:27.32 | Cide | ok now it works |
| 01:27.52 | Cide | so explain this to me |
| 01:28.03 | Cide | I have a function Foo(const Iterator& iter) { ... } |
| 01:28.24 | Cide | why can't I do Foo(expressionThatReturnsAnIterator) |
| 01:28.42 | Cide | I had to do const Iterator& iter = expr; Foo(iter); |
| 01:28.47 | Cide | what's the difference? |
| 01:29.09 | Jerub | shouldn't that be: Foo(&expr) ? |
| 01:29.30 | Jerub | man, i'm so bad at C |
| 01:29.37 | Jerub | i just throw &'s and *'s at code until it works. |
| 01:29.47 | Cide | woulnd't that be the address? |
| 01:30.07 | Cide | wouldn't too |
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| 01:39.48 | Cide | oh wow |
| 01:40.02 | Cide | I just got bit in the ass |
| 01:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Check your pants for scorpions before you put them on? |
| 01:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It helps such things |
| 01:40.25 | Cide | std::cout << foo() << foo() << foo(); // outputs stuff backwards :( |
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| 01:47.36 | Thunder_Child | i think blizz really failed with the http://us.battle.net/realid/?rhtml=y stuff |
| 01:48.16 | Thunder_Child | i dont understand why you can not have that with out giving your name away |
| 01:48.49 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: i think they really won with it personally :P |
| 01:49.10 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: you think giving out your name is a good thing? |
| 01:49.42 | Zernin | alot of people are hoping they change that, but it might be a bit of work to change it at this point |
| 01:49.46 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: if you don't want to give your name out, don't use realid friends. |
| 01:50.03 | Zernin | yes, but then you also can't have the cross game functionality |
| 01:50.18 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: if you like the nice cloud of anonymity that only having one toon visible to someone gives you, this feature isn't for oyu. |
| 01:50.23 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: people will get hurt with this, simple as that |
| 01:50.47 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: i dont care if everyone knew who were my toons, my name is something else |
| 01:50.51 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: bear in mind that facebook gives you 900% more data than this |
| 01:50.59 | Wobin | I wouldn't mind it if I could mark certain toons to be off the network |
| 01:51.03 | Jerub | and people use facebook more than google. |
| 01:51.16 | Thunder_Child | Jerub: but you dont need facebook to communicate with other people |
| 01:51.49 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: no, but you do in order to invite them to parties. |
| 01:51.58 | Jerub | which are really, just raids. |
| 01:51.59 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, couldn't you create a fake facebook |
| 01:52.03 | Wobin | and link your toons to that? |
| 01:52.23 | Thunder_Child | umm...where did facebook come into this? |
| 01:52.28 | Wobin | I dunno =P |
| 01:52.39 | Wobin | I'm working from this conversation =P |
| 01:52.47 | Wobin | So, same point, different end |
| 01:52.52 | Jerub | sorry, i'm just drawing a paralelle between the bnet realid thing and facebook because that's hwat they're emulating |
| 01:52.53 | Wobin | why not link your toons to a fake name? |
| 01:52.57 | Jerub | anyway, from the faq. Real ID is a system designed to be used with people you know and trust in real life -- friends, co-workers and family -- though it's ultimately up to you to determine who you wish to interact with in this fashion. |
| 01:53.00 | Wobin | and use that? |
| 01:53.16 | Wobin | Jerub, Thunder doesn't have RL friends =) |
| 01:53.27 | Jerub | ah, you can get the cross game stuff without realid. |
| 01:53.33 | Thunder_Child | i dont understand why you could not have the same functionality w/o the vulnerability |
| 01:53.42 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: if only |
| 01:53.51 | Jerub | oh, i lie |
| 01:53.52 | Jerub | misread |
| 01:54.29 | Jerub | Can my Real ID friends see all of my World of Warcraft characters? |
| 01:54.29 | Jerub | Real ID friends will be able to see all of each otherâs characters across games; there will not be an option to hide specific characters from Real ID friends or to appear offline to them when youâre logged in. If you wish to communicate with someone through only a character, you can opt to use the traditional âin-game friendâ system and add that player as a World of Warcraft friend. |
| 01:54.39 | Jerub | yeah, looks very much all or nothing |
| 01:54.53 | Wobin | "Features such as cross-game chat, World of Warcraft cross-realm and cross-faction chat, Broadcast messages, and Rich Presence are only available if you use Real ID" |
| 01:55.12 | Corrodias | so, like any IM system |
| 01:55.28 | Wobin | I don't mind, honestly |
| 01:55.33 | Thunder_Child | no, you can use a handle for IM's |
| 01:55.34 | Wobin | Google already knows everything about me =( |
| 01:55.36 | Corrodias | what's to mind? |
| 01:55.56 | Wobin | thunder doesn't like the fact it uses the bnet real name |
| 01:56.08 | Wobin | ie, the name registered to the account |
| 01:56.11 | Corrodias | your account name? or "real name" real life name? |
| 01:56.20 | Thunder_Child | real life name |
| 01:56.37 | Corrodias | oh. well, that's a pretty pointless break from convention. |
| 01:56.38 | Wobin | TheIf you are using Real ID, your mutual Real ID friends, as well as their Real ID friends, will be able to see your first and last name (the name registered to the Battle.net account). |
| 01:56.58 | Wobin | hm |
| 01:57.01 | Corrodias | but no worries, it's not like i intended to use that thing anyway. |
| 01:57.14 | Corrodias | just another useless service piled on top of a game |
| 01:57.34 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, it is rather nifty |
| 01:57.36 | Shadowed | Actually, I think it'll be rather nicer |
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| 01:58.19 | Thunder_Child | i think they did real names to keep peeople from abusing it but what the hell are 16 yo kids going to care about that |
| 01:58.32 | Shadowed | It also means you don't end up with another name to remember |
| 01:58.39 | Corrodias | i have my steam list for the few people i play games with, and another IM client for anything else |
| 01:58.40 | Shadowed | So you don't have to get people to create a new RealID name |
| 01:59.06 | Shadowed | and since it means people can see you're in any game, you (probably) won't just randomly add every person you see regardless |
| 01:59.22 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: but something of a pain when in game....if you dont play windowed |
| 02:00.29 | Corrodias | probably, which is why the steam overlay is a nice thing. of course i'm sure blizzard wouldn't think of using that. but i intend to run anything in a window that it's possible to to do with. |
| 02:00.32 | Corrodias | *to do so |
| 02:01.31 | Thunder_Child | same |
| 02:01.41 | Thunder_Child | still, it would have been nice |
| 02:02.34 | Corrodias | in fact, since steam can run non-steam games and put its overlay on them for a lot of games, it can provide a nice alternative if they don't actively try to prevent it from working that way. |
| 02:06.47 | Thunder_Child | ...this /is/ blizzard |
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| 02:09.18 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what you're suggesting by that |
| 02:10.04 | Corrodias | is that saying "of course they'll break it intentionally so they maintain control" or "of course they'll try to do what's most convenient for the customer"? |
| 02:11.26 | Thunder_Child | option a |
| 02:11.35 | Adys | !api model. |
| 02:11.35 | lua_bot | Found 42 possible matches for 'model.'. Please be more specific |
| 02:11.39 | Adys | !api model.setmodel |
| 02:11.39 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'model.setmodel': Model:SetModelScale, Model:SetModel |
| 02:11.44 | Adys | !api model.setmodelsc |
| 02:11.44 | lua_bot | Model:SetModelScale: Sets the scale factor determining the size at which the 3D model appears (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Model/SetModelScale) |
| 02:12.22 | Amarande | sooo ... |
| 02:12.32 | Amarande | what do the birdmen DO with the kids they capture in Terokkar, anyway? |
| 02:12.35 | Corrodias | yeah, i didn't want to think that way, but i get that sort of vibe from blizzard lately, and when i say lately, i -probably- mean "since forever" |
| 02:15.51 | Kraps | Soulja Boy Tell'em |
| 02:18.27 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, well... don't add 16 year old kids to your RealID friends list |
| 02:19.05 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: you know thats not what i am talking abour |
| 02:19.15 | Corrodias | i prefer to get them around 13 |
| 02:19.27 | Thunder_Child | about* |
| 02:19.34 | Corrodias | then we can exchange addresses! |
| 02:19.40 | Corrodias | we're such good buddies. |
| 02:19.41 | Wobin | You add in to your list, the people who you trust enough with your real name |
| 02:19.51 | Kraps | Amarande: cant be anything too bad, i dont think the birdmen are too intelligent |
| 02:19.56 | Wobin | because they already know your name, most likely |
| 02:20.15 | Corrodias | it's pretty silly of them to make a service that is more flexible for people who are more ready to give out their personal information |
| 02:20.15 | Wobin | Amarande, "Trin-kids, pretty trin-kids" |
| 02:20.19 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: which is silly not to be able to add in 'online friends' |
| 02:20.48 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, why can't you? |
| 02:20.52 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: EG. catering to the LCD |
| 02:20.55 | Corrodias | oh blizzard, should we blame you or activision for your follies? |
| 02:21.07 | Corrodias | let's blame both, it's extra fun that way |
| 02:21.13 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: because i dont want them to know my name....sure they may no my first name, but both.... |
| 02:21.33 | Wobin | put it this way. Why would you want to cross realm communicate etc with, say, a dude you only met in a pug that you liked? |
| 02:21.47 | Wobin | keep them on the friends list |
| 02:21.52 | Wobin | in game |
| 02:21.54 | Wobin | and be done with it |
| 02:21.58 | Corrodias | <Blizzard> The situations are unusual so let's make sure we intentionally don't support them. |
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| 02:22.17 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: i'm talking about people that i have known for 6 months to a year. |
| 02:22.25 | Corrodias | <Blizzard> Well some of our guys don't really like to do X so we're going to make sure nobody can do X so they don't feel left out. |
| 02:22.27 | Thunder_Child | but that do not know my name, and i only know online |
| 02:22.30 | Wobin | So it's more a trust issue |
| 02:22.37 | Xyphoid | you'll see a lot of pressure to add guildies to your realid list |
| 02:22.43 | Corrodias | no, it's a stupid design issue. |
| 02:22.50 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: eh, more just like security |
| 02:23.17 | Corrodias | it may not be a pointless design decision. i can recognize that it may have a purpose. i still criticize it. |
| 02:23.17 | Thunder_Child | take this channel for example, except for the SC2 beta no one would know my real first/last names |
| 02:23.19 | Thunder_Child | name* |
| 02:23.22 | Wobin | eh, I'll use it to the limits of my trust in the system |
| 02:23.26 | Thunder_Child | and i have met people here |
| 02:23.52 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, well, all the features of the RealID chat |
| 02:23.57 | Wobin | you have right here in IRC! =) |
| 02:24.04 | Wobin | so you lose nothing =) |
| 02:24.12 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: huh? |
| 02:24.14 | Corrodias | and thus nothing is gained by this supposed feature |
| 02:24.16 | Wobin | You have announcements |
| 02:24.22 | Wobin | you have cross realm notifications |
| 02:24.28 | Corrodias | so by your words, i can call it a waste of development resources! :D |
| 02:24.37 | Wobin | You can tell when someone you know on IRC is online but not playing the same game you are! |
| 02:24.53 | Thunder_Child | fail Wobin, fail |
| 02:24.57 | Wobin | not really |
| 02:25.11 | Corrodias | yes really |
| 02:25.12 | Corrodias | wins! |
| 02:25.22 | Wobin | ~fail Corrodias |
| 02:25.23 | purl | Corrodias: FAIL! |
| 02:25.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: you know, i've long thought that irc would make a great IM protocol |
| 02:25.36 | Corrodias | let's not take this into "nuh uh" vs "yeah huh" territory |
| 02:25.41 | Thunder_Child | IRC != battle.net chat |
| 02:25.45 | Wobin | Corrodias, You already did =P |
| 02:25.52 | Wobin | You're saying, that the people you know on IRC, and play the same games are one security level beyond what you're willing to allow to the RealID system |
| 02:25.57 | Corrodias | yeah well... you started it! poopyhead |
| 02:26.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: i dunno, its entirely possible they're using a modified ircd as the backend ;) |
| 02:26.20 | Wobin | yet, what does the RealID system offer in regards to those friends, that IRC doesn't already offer? |
| 02:26.30 | Corrodias | meanwhile, i don't mind people knowing my name, but i don't use badly designed and pointless features like that. |
| 02:27.05 | Wobin | Corrodias, It's totally "Mrs Poopyhead" isn't it? |
| 02:27.10 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: a lot of stuff that you dont have to ask |
| 02:27.20 | Corrodias | i wear a bow so you can tell i'm a girl |
| 02:28.12 | Corrodias | Steam's friend list lets you invite people into games and tells people what game you're in. that's about the extent of its non-irc features. |
| 02:28.59 | Corrodias | i doubt blizzard will take it farther than that. |
| 02:38.48 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 02:39.03 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 02:39.33 | NightHawkTheSane | woo hoo hoo! it's all been done, befoooooooore! |
| 02:40.07 | Amarande | Ahh! I knew Cairenn was secretly evil! |
| 02:40.15 | NightHawkTheSane | secretly? |
| 02:40.16 | Amarande | She gets hugs from the super high evil burning legion mucky muck! |
| 02:40.33 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:40.39 | NightHawkTheSane | this was a secret? |
| 02:46.22 | Thunder_Child | no secret, she just never shares her evil |
| 02:49.12 | Cairenn | Sure I do ... by denying it to you guys .... since I know how much you'd all enjoy it ... ;) |
| 02:49.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ... ugh, yes transmission when i said "remind me later" i really did mean 5 seconds later. >< |
| 02:53.27 | Sargeras | Cairenn is the reason I went evil |
| 02:53.34 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 02:54.57 | Shirik | waves at the Cairenn |
| 02:55.20 | Cairenn | hugs the Shirik |
| 02:59.36 | Lunessa | Wait, Cairenn is evil? Like an Evil Petting Zoo? |
| 02:59.58 | Adys | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/05/benchmark-new-chrome-beta-takes-the-speed-crown.ars |
| 02:59.59 | Cairenn | Oh, you couldn't afford the price to be admitted to the petting zoo |
| 03:00.00 | Adys | rofl at graph |
| 03:00.17 | Thunder_Child | i'll bet Cairenn |
| 03:00.19 | Lunessa | Can I at least visit the gift shop? |
| 03:01.02 | Cairenn | You break it, you buy it |
| 03:01.14 | Lunessa | gets a wicked gleam. |
| 03:01.40 | NightHawkTheSane | he might just break it on purpose :P |
| 03:01.47 | Cairenn | *dws* |
| 03:01.50 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn is indestructible Lunessa |
| 03:02.05 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: I could only wish that was true :p |
| 03:02.35 | Lunessa | snickers. |
| 03:02.49 | Cairenn | mars bars |
| 03:02.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: do you mean how far Fx lags behind? |
| 03:03.12 | Adys | yes |
| 03:03.19 | Adys | when i saw the graph |
| 03:03.24 | Adys | i thought "that's IE" |
| 03:03.29 | Adys | and then i read the labels. |
| 03:03.29 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn: odds are you are who he would break |
| 03:03.47 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, its kinda striking. heh, i'd LIKE to see IE on that |
| 03:04.00 | Lunessa | Lunessa is an evil man, but he wouldn't break her. Just bend a little is all. |
| 03:04.09 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: im guessing they wanted to keep the graph somewhat readable. |
| 03:05.31 | Cairenn | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 03:05.32 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 03:06.15 | Jerub | help |
| 03:06.19 | Jerub | openttd is stealing my soul |
| 03:06.59 | Thunder_Child | you have a soul? |
| 03:07.30 | Amarande | no |
| 03:07.33 | Amarande | he borrows cairenn's |
| 03:07.37 | Amarande | that's why she's evil :) |
| 03:08.10 | Jerub | huh |
| 03:08.18 | Jerub | cairenn would never let me touch her soull... |
| 03:08.29 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:08.29 | Jerub | her pretty, delicate, senusous soul. |
| 03:09.22 | Thunder_Child | her soul is nice but it's the pictures of her ass that get people :p |
| 03:10.13 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 03:10.20 | Lunessa | Actually, I think it's her taste in fetishistic footwear... |
| 03:10.30 | Cairenn | purrs some more |
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| 03:19.26 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/blog#screenshots:155102:1 |
| 03:20.56 | Amarande | Oh, did I mention I almost misread [Borean Leather] as [Gorean Leather] once ... |
| 03:22.34 | Lunessa | Armsmen of Gor! |
| 03:23.27 | Lunessa | I read all the stupid Gor books I could find when I was like, 10. |
| 03:25.02 | Amarande | I only have three of them. And I had the opportunity to buy the whole series at like, fifty cents to a dollar a book once :( |
| 03:25.24 | Lunessa | Some of them were pretty entertaining. Very pulp style. |
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| 03:28.10 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5531665/if-super-mario-bros-was-made-in-2010 |
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| 03:30.14 | Thunder_Child | Bibi! |
| 03:30.26 | Bibi | what |
| 03:30.43 | Thunder_Child | nothing |
| 03:30.43 | NightHawkTheSane | I just broke my dailylwtf mug :( |
| 03:30.57 | Thunder_Child | just saying hi |
| 03:31.30 | Thunder_Child | and to point out that you are > Adys |
| 03:31.43 | Adys | busy |
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| 03:32.22 | Kraps | so Bibi, what is your favorite part of the alpha so far? |
| 03:32.29 | Kraps | >.> |
| 03:32.33 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 03:33.41 | Artimidorus1211 | I'm getting frustrated same problem still no solution no matter what i try it just doesn't do as i thought it would. |
| 03:34.16 | Artimidorus1211 | im trying to resize a frame and have the background image stay the same siza and be clipped by the frames edge when it overlapps |
| 03:34.55 | Artimidorus1211 | tex:SetTexCoord(0, 1, 0, 1); still allows it to be resized |
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| 03:37.06 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 03:37.14 | Shirik | What is a "sa"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shy_sa_is_good |
| 03:37.15 | Kraps | Shirik |
| 03:39.23 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: Sexaholic Anonumous? |
| 03:39.31 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:39.35 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:39.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA |
| 03:39.37 | Kraps | sa is slovak for "the" |
| 03:39.38 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 03:39.42 | Jamash | something awful? |
| 03:40.05 | Thunder_Child | could be Social anxiety |
| 03:41.13 | Artimidorus1211 | does anyone know of a command to FIX an image to a spacific spont in a frame and have it stay there no matter what size the frame becomes |
| 03:41.36 | Thunder_Child | i dont understand why blizz will make an interactive map on the site that shows zone levels but not on the defaut map.... |
| 03:41.52 | Jamash | Thunder_Child: shh, that would be too easy |
| 03:42.33 | Thunder_Child | Jamash: but....i like easy |
| 03:43.07 | Lunessa | Easy work, easy booze, easy games, easy women... what's not to like? |
| 03:43.46 | Thunder_Child | easy death |
| 03:43.54 | Jamash | plus the interactive map on their website only shows outland and northrend |
| 03:43.55 | Lunessa | That's always been easy. |
| 03:44.31 | Jamash | they removed the kalimdor / EK one 'cause it was too old |
| 03:44.44 | Wobin | ugh |
| 03:44.59 | Wobin | I want a desktop app that allows me to rearrange icons on a jailbroken iphone on my computer |
| 03:45.18 | Jerub | Wobin: "Android" |
| 03:45.19 | Thunder_Child | itunes does it....but it is amazing gail |
| 03:45.26 | Jamash | I want an app that gives me an iphone for free |
| 03:45.27 | Thunder_Child | fail |
| 03:45.37 | Wobin | Jerub, thank you. Buy one for me? |
| 03:46.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i need more mugs.. |
| 03:46.16 | Jamash | why |
| 03:46.34 | NightHawkTheSane | because i only have one now? |
| 03:47.09 | Jamash | man leveling in cata is going to be weird |
| 03:47.14 | Thrae | 23:46 [Freenode] < NightHawkTheSane:#wowuidev> because i only have one now? <-- testicular cancer, eh? |
| 03:47.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: one mug, one MUG! :P |
| 03:47.43 | Jamash | "Deathwing has shattered the world! Azeroth is in flames! We must do something... wait, you're level 58? OFF TO OUTLAND WITH YOU!" |
| 03:47.49 | NightHawkTheSane | as in ceramic recepticle for coffee |
| 03:48.16 | Xyphoid | epl/wpl will be really odd |
| 03:48.22 | Jamash | yeah |
| 03:48.27 | Xyphoid | since they've made noises about changing it to be post-WOTLK-chronology |
| 03:48.41 | Thunder_Child | when would you ever have more than one mug.....unless you like to skin people |
| 03:48.44 | Jamash | "oh yeah, we totally defeated the lich king... no go to northrend and, uh, defeat, uh, lemme get back to you on this" |
| 03:48.51 | Jamash | *now |
| 03:49.19 | Artimidorus1211 | so no one here knows about frames abd background images? |
| 03:49.42 | Thrae | Xyphoid: Not exactly. Remember at the *SPOLIER* end of the Lich King, they actually show a good reason why there's always going to be a Lich King and not just "Hey, Onyxia respawned!" |
| 03:49.48 | Jerub | Wobin: i'm tempted to get one of these to experiment with: http://www.chinavasion.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=android&Submit=GO |
| 03:50.07 | Xyphoid | oh sure, but you'll still go meet arthas at 68 |
| 03:50.52 | Thrae | It'd be cool if you could see scenes like the Ghost of Arthas talking to Jaina Proudmoore in Cataclysm, post-80. |
| 03:51.17 | Jamash | the ghost of arthas would be all emo |
| 03:51.28 | Artimidorus1211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.28 | Artimidorus1211 | tex:SetTexCoord(0, 1, 0, 1); still allows it to be resized |
| 03:51.39 | Thrae | The ghost of Anakin wasn't emo, so the ghost of Arthas would not be emo :D |
| 03:52.00 | Thrae | Pure logic right there! |
| 03:52.08 | Jamash | yeah but anakin was redeemed at the last |
| 03:52.26 | Thrae | So was Arthas, he was forgiven |
| 03:52.39 | Xyphoid | whut |
| 03:52.41 | Xyphoid | by who |
| 03:52.51 | Jamash | omg spoilers |
| 03:53.08 | Thrae | Go see the cutscene on your own server ;) |
| 03:53.10 | Xyphoid | i've watched the video but i don't see much in the way of forgiveness going on there |
| 03:54.02 | Artimidorus1211 | heres my lua codehttp://codepad.org/SwqmRVZP |
| 03:54.55 | Jamash | so my sister pointed something out: Uther's ghost is in his tomb in the Plaguelands, right? |
| 03:55.02 | Xyphoid | SSH |
| 03:55.32 | Jamash | like that, is it |
| 03:55.46 | Xyphoid | if you pay too much attention to that the world might break |
| 03:56.05 | Jerub | Jamash: but you hear uther when you enter icc, he has a conversation. |
| 03:56.06 | Jamash | pays too much attention to that. |
| 03:56.08 | Jerub | yuck. |
| 03:56.11 | Jerub | discontinuity much |
| 03:56.20 | Jamash | oh snap cata |
| 03:56.23 | NightHawkTheSane | he's a ghost |
| 03:56.28 | NightHawkTheSane | he can be in a couple places at once |
| 03:56.31 | Xyphoid | frostmourne provides home detention for souls for good behaviour |
| 03:56.38 | Jamash | haha |
| 03:57.02 | Thrae | Speaking of Cata, I wonder how the loot will be between 10/25 if they're "merging" them. I know they said "similiar difficulty, but more loot per player", but how is that going to work when 25 could be split up into 10, 10, 5 standbys? And would they still have 25-man only equipment (IMHO, incredibly stupid thing they're doing right now)? |
| 03:57.32 | Jamash | I really, really hope there isn't any 25-only equipment |
| 03:57.43 | kd3 | they said there wouldn't be any |
| 03:57.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: *shrug* ~2.5x the amount of loot? :P |
| 03:57.49 | kd3 | today, in fact |
| 03:57.55 | Jamash | they said they haven't decided about legendaries |
| 03:58.33 | kd3 | looks for the post |
| 03:58.33 | NightHawkTheSane | did they explicitly say that for legendaries/achievement mounts? |
| 03:58.43 | Thrae | Yeah I've been raiding TotC-25 and Ulduar-25 every chance I get, but I haven't gotten an upgrade on my Tanking Trinket (the only place you can get an upgrade over The Black Heart, not even ICC has one) |
| 04:00.40 | Thrae | I'm not really sure if Blizzard intended that...maybe they really thought "Glyph of Indominability" would be a good iLevel 245 Tanking Trinket for everybody? |
| 04:01.26 | kd3 | "I'm risking a derail by saying this, but it's very possible to have hard 10-player fights, and we've had some cases in Lich King where the 10-player fights ended up being more difficult than the 25-player versions. Players who consider 10s to always be easy mode are probably running them wearing 25-player gear. *That* problem is going away." |
| 04:01.44 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24630603049&sid=1&pageNo=11#212 |
| 04:02.02 | Xyphoid | glyph is pretty good isn't it? who's it bad for? |
| 04:02.57 | Thrae | kd3: I don't doubt Blizzard will try their hardest to manage the difficulty. To say "it can't be done" is basically saying the Blizzard design team is incompetent, and that's a rather bold claim for the only truly successful MMORPG out there. |
| 04:03.13 | kd3 | no, no. I was pointing to the last sentence there |
| 04:03.52 | Thrae | Xyphoid: I don't know which tanking class it's good for, but it's bad for Feral Druid Tanks, and probably any other tank that has good STamina buffs. Armor from Trinkets and Dodge don't scale, Stamina does. |
| 04:04.28 | Thrae | kd3: Yeah I addressed it at you to stay on your topic, but I wasn't actually addressing it to you personally. |
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| 04:04.48 | kd3 | someone was talking about there being different 10/25-player loot in cata |
| 04:04.56 | kd3 | was trying to find that quote |
| 04:04.58 | kd3 | scrolls up to check |
| 04:05.32 | kd3 | 23:57:32 Jamash: I really, really hope there isn't any 25-only equipment / 23:57:43 kd3: they said there wouldn't be any / 23:57:49 kd3: today, in fact |
| 04:06.06 | kd3 | looks for another cerveza |
| 04:06.20 | Xyphoid | i'm a huge fan of armor, so i rate glyph highly, but my druid hasn't been touched since naxx so i'm way behind on them |
| 04:06.52 | Thrae | Xyphoid: With The Black Heart, a tanking Druid gets +126 stamina (*1.25*1.1*1.6*1.2 before raid buffs), and the +7k armor is up every 45 seconds (internal proc cooldown) instead of +400 dodge rating every 2 minutes (on-use Glyph). AND none of the Druids own buffs increase the armor from the Glyph. |
| 04:08.43 | Thrae | Out of all the tanking classes, Stamina for a Druid, just like in Vanilla, is still way bad-ass. I was off-tanking Ony-25 the other day and saw the DK MT get two-shotted by Ony and I was like, "Uhh, maybe the guy with 70k raid-buffed HP should tank Ony instead of 45k raid-buffed HP + more DR on cooldowns" |
| 04:09.01 | Thrae | Of course DK Tanks are another story |
| 04:09.16 | Thrae | And Ony's worst attack, Wing Buffet, ignores armor |
| 04:10.16 | Kraps | kd3: i cant figure out the fuss about druid healing |
| 04:10.41 | Thrae | Kraps: What fuss? |
| 04:11.07 | Jamash | zomg wg cooldown omg wtf bbq |
| 04:11.26 | Jamash | it's the end of the wooooooorld |
| 04:11.31 | Thrae | Kraps: What healing will be like in Cata (still up in the air) or what it's like *now*? |
| 04:12.36 | Jerub | i'm looking forward to cata |
| 04:12.47 | Jamash | me too |
| 04:13.08 | Jamash | although I feel kind of bad for azeroth |
| 04:13.15 | Artimidorus1211 | can anyone explaine to me how to change and get the values to change so SetTexCoord(0, 1, 0, 1); is changed when tex:SetWidth(frame:GetWidth() * per); is set using local per = value / max; ? |
| 04:13.16 | Kraps | Thrae: whatever the thread dk3 linked is about |
| 04:13.27 | Jamash | it's already been blown up at least once already |
| 04:13.48 | Thrae | Kraps: You mean earlier? kd3 linked one about raid loot/difficulty. |
| 04:14.03 | Jamash | it was a healing thread, he was getting off-topic |
| 04:14.08 | Thrae | Ah |
| 04:14.34 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24401904223/there-goes-wild-growth/ and http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24630603049/healing-touch/ |
| 04:14.51 | Thrae | While I'm excited overall for Cata, as a hardcore Druid player (I only play Druids, even on alts), I am a bit worried about Resto Druids. |
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| 04:16.02 | Kraps | only druids :o |
| 04:16.39 | Jerub | Thrae: this is an interesting read. |
| 04:16.42 | Jerub | moment, just reading it all |
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| 04:18.03 | Thrae | Kraps , Jerub: Eh, those posts are just people trolling in disguise/without thinking about it. Cata's still alpha and they have a SHIT-TON of work to do making the Healing/Mana balance they said they'd be doing. If you read the Cataclysm previews, ALL healing classes are getting an overhaul, as well as the system of mana. And remember, HoTs naturally crit and are effected by haste now too. That's a lot of re-design! |
| 04:18.36 | Kraps | GC is perpetuating though |
| 04:18.44 | Kraps | same with warrior tanking |
| 04:19.17 | Kraps | my main is a prot warrior but i'm just in wait-and-see mode |
| 04:19.22 | Thrae | What I'm concerned about is how they're going to handle Resto Druid Mechanics. Resto Druids need more gimmicks then just being HoT-heavy. Tree Of Life used to be our gimmick, now it's going on a cooldown. But I could see that still being our gimmick if it was a short cooldown you're sure to use more than once or none per fight. |
| 04:19.55 | Jerub | Thrae: okay, i've read a lot of this now and i've read quite a bit of other cata stuff |
| 04:19.57 | kd3 | I think the blizz designers are smart people and generally have an idea |
| 04:20.01 | Jerub | but give me a sec before you get too far |
| 04:20.13 | Xyphoid | tree of life was fun when it had restrictions and you left form occasionally |
| 04:20.21 | kd3 | doesn't let far-off-future stuff stress him out |
| 04:20.38 | Thrae | Kraps: While I noticed they didn't give Warriors more AoE tricks past 80, but maybe there'll be some Glyph changes, or maybe the re-design around encounters relying more on CC will be enough. |
| 04:21.11 | Jamash | I remember CC |
| 04:21.48 | Jerub | Thrae: okay, my main is an icc geared druid healer/tank, so i know druid healing (and not much other healing) |
| 04:21.50 | kd3 | cenarion circle... what a damned reputation grind |
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| 04:22.11 | Thrae | Jerub: Said here, except ICC Geared Druid Tank/Healer ;) |
| 04:22.13 | Jerub | Thrae: in cata we get no new healing spells and they're rejigging cooldowns and healing effect from spells. |
| 04:22.36 | Thrae | Jerub: We get ONE new healing spell, that Mushroom thingie. |
| 04:22.49 | Jerub | Thrae: we get another one |
| 04:22.51 | Jamash | mush room mush room (badger badger badger badger) |
| 04:22.57 | Jerub | Thrae: HT becomes useful again. |
| 04:23.34 | Jamash | show me on the doll where the healing touched you |
| 04:24.01 | Jerub | Thrae: massive health pools means that when someone drops from 75 to 25, you'll have enough time to actually cast HT and also (shock, horror) not overheal, making it a viable healing spell. |
| 04:24.08 | Thrae | Jerub: It's useful now IMHO, but mainly as post-NS. Anyway, with all the changes to mana management, healing coefficients, spellpower, spirit, talents, and especially HoTs, it's hard to say what the Druid will be like in Cata right now. |
| 04:24.10 | Jerub | (instead of these days when you'd just spam nourish. |
| 04:24.38 | Jerub | Thrae: our hots are there because we don't ha eabsorbs, and we've got an arsenal of awesome healing spells. |
| 04:24.48 | Wobin | how well does pvp gear scale for bears in HHoR? |
| 04:24.51 | Jerub | no reasonable CDs, but that's meh, we have enough hots. |
| 04:25.04 | Jerub | Wobin: i use some 264 pvp pieces for my bear |
| 04:26.05 | Thrae | Jerub: What I was mainly talking about is a "gimmick" for Druids like they have in their other trees. In Cataclysm, so far, Balance will have an "Eclipse" meter *and* Boomkin, Feral has *two* forms which each play pretty differently AND have different resource mechanics (yet mana is still an issue), while I'm not sure what's going to happen to Resto Druids in Cata as far as gimmicks go. |
| 04:26.33 | Jamash | you'll have a leaf meter |
| 04:26.40 | Thrae | A gimmick doesn't have to be something that buffs the class. A gimmick is there to make the class fun, interesting, and unique. |
| 04:26.40 | Jamash | when it runs down you'll turn brown and wilty |
| 04:26.50 | Thrae | Jamash: I actually suggested something like that |
| 04:27.17 | Thrae | See, Druids are all about being fun, interesting, and unique in ANY tree, and that's why we Druid lovers love Druids. |
| 04:27.23 | Xyphoid | any tree, heh |
| 04:27.39 | Thrae | Xyphoid: Yes I caught the unintended pun after I posted it too |
| 04:28.11 | Jamash | so you're saying other classes aren't about being fun, interesting and unique? |
| 04:28.21 | Thrae | Jamash: Not as much as Druids! |
| 04:28.30 | Xyphoid | do you really find treeform as it stands fun, interesting, and unique |
| 04:28.31 | Jamash | nerf fun then imo |
| 04:28.48 | Xyphoid | now that it consists of a buff to your healing spells and a nerf to your appearance |
| 04:29.07 | Thrae | Xyphoid: No, but a Tree Form on like a 5-minute cooldown is the opposite extreme IMHO |
| 04:29.48 | Jamash | they should make it the same size as the ancients in darnassus |
| 04:29.56 | Thrae | Xyphoid: I say if they want a Tree of Life-like Tree Form on cooldown, make it useful in boss fights and even trash fights without it being a "bursty" or "ohshit" type of button |
| 04:30.10 | Thrae | Then that would be fine as the Druid's "gimmick" |
| 04:30.20 | Thrae | s/Druid's/Resto Druid's/ |
| 04:31.34 | Thrae | An alternative would be to keep the new Tree Form on a longer cooldown and re-use the Eclipse meter, but for healing. |
| 04:31.52 | Thrae | Again, another cool, fun gimmick. |
| 04:32.15 | Jamash | I'm really surprised they're giving a spec its own UI element |
| 04:32.23 | Xyphoid | yeah, it's odd |
| 04:32.24 | Jamash | now everyone's going to want one -_- |
| 04:33.03 | Thrae | Jamash: Feral Druids are the only ones that seriously benefit from always seeing their mana in Cat or Bear forms, yet the default UI has been refitted recently to allow that. |
| 04:33.48 | Jamash | true, but it's still a class-specific ui thing, not something that is only visible to a single spec |
| 04:34.16 | Xyphoid | surprise, mages are going to get an Arcane Weaving UI pane where you have to play bejewelled to maximise your dps |
| 04:34.17 | Thrae | Jamash: There might be other meters, like the proposed Chakra |
| 04:34.27 | Jamash | Xyphoid: haha |
| 04:34.43 | Jerub | (sorry, afk) |
| 04:34.43 | Xyphoid | (actually wow should seriously take more ideas from Free Realms) |
| 04:34.57 | Thrae | Xyphoid: If you ever played late EQ1, and then remember a lot of WoW's developers came from EQ1, you should know how scary that sounds ;) |
| 04:35.05 | Jamash | Chakra? Is this Naruto now? |
| 04:35.39 | Thrae | Jamash: Oh for f&*^@ sake, I hate Narutards/Dragonballheads. |
| 04:36.08 | Thrae | They see some Asian word and claim it was "stolen" from Dragonball/Naruto/Bleach/Cleanser/Whatever |
| 04:36.09 | Xyphoid | i mean, the fundamental approach to dps these days is that dps have to play a minigame involving juggling procs and durations |
| 04:36.46 | Thrae | "Final Fantasy 3 for the NES uses 'Chakra'! They must have stolen it from Naruto!" |
| 04:37.14 | Thrae | "Chakra" isn't even of Japanese origin!!!111one |
| 04:37.18 | Jamash | I know that |
| 04:37.31 | Jamash | I also know that it doesn't mean "get a combo by casting three in a row" |
| 04:37.46 | Thrae | And it doesn't mean what it means on Naruto, too |
| 04:38.19 | Thrae | And my father, a doctor, cannot perform "lay on hands". But he can perform "Hammer of Justice", since he's an Anestiologist. |
| 04:38.26 | Jamash | you seem to have misunderstood my comment |
| 04:38.54 | Thrae | Hehe, Anethesiologists shouting out "HAMMER OF JUSTICE!" before putting someone to sleep. |
| 04:39.08 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.20 | Kraps | Cairenn: !!! |
| 04:39.27 | Cairenn | Kraps: ? |
| 04:39.40 | Jamash | by referencing Naruto, I was implying that Blizzard was doing the same thing that the author of Naruto did, ie use a foreign word for something totally unrelated to what it actually means |
| 04:39.58 | Kraps | see above for a new topic |
| 04:41.31 | Thrae | Jamash: Oh, well Blizzard has a hard-on for using mythology, especially Asian, didn't you know that? They like anime (pre-Naruto), and there are references in their games, even WC3. Anyway, since Azeroth isn't Earth I don't see the big dealio using a recognizable word over one they made up. |
| 04:41.58 | Jamash | they might as well call it holy trinity then |
| 04:42.00 | Thrae | Jamash: Hell, even Asian games don't use "Chakra" like it's suppose to be used :D |
| 04:42.05 | Jamash | oh wait that would offend people |
| 04:42.16 | Thrae | No, then the Catholic Church would be all over their ass, now THAT is more important |
| 04:42.42 | Thrae | The Catholic Church is not a force to be Hammer of Reckoning with |
| 04:42.57 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/ |
| 04:43.19 | Jamash | so to summarize: christianity = not ok to misuse, hinduism = ok to misuse |
| 04:44.01 | Thrae | Jamash: Yeah, because they're generally more tolerant, less complain-y, and represent less of their audience. |
| 04:44.51 | Kraps | ITT: Jamash is surprised by double standards |
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| 04:45.12 | Thrae | I'm sure someone in Blizzard really, really wanted to make a Pedophilia joke Achievement with The Order of the Light + Orphans, but they knew that would be bad ;) |
| 04:45.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | krka: im going to work on my plugin this weekend i think. I'll add it in for sure |
| 04:48.18 | Kraps | http://www.wowwiki.com/Once_An_Orphan... |
| 04:48.59 | Kraps | Thrae: ^ |
| 04:49.12 | Kraps | and the ellipses |
| 04:49.17 | Kraps | add* |
| 04:49.21 | Thrae | Once again with the Cata Alpha dance. I wouldn't be surprised if a piece of the Cata UI was leaked, there was a comment like, "-- Remove Paladins here" and on the front page of both mmo-champion.com and Kotaku listed, "Sources say Paladins might be removed in Cataclysm! Read more..." |
| 04:50.46 | Thrae | But if anyone's getting into Cataclysm Alpha or Beta early, it's Cairenn. |
| 04:51.09 | Cairenn | One never knows |
| 04:51.26 | Thrae | She dodged the question! That means it's true in World of Politics! |
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| 04:51.34 | Jerub | okay, back |
| 04:51.36 | Jerub | scrolls up |
| 04:52.02 | Thrae | World of Politics -- Coming to you soon from Hailstorm Entertainment. |
| 04:52.20 | Jerub | Thrae: okay, first of all, i love druids. |
| 04:52.26 | Jerub | i hate being in form all the time. |
| 04:52.29 | Jerub | i never see my gear |
| 04:52.39 | Jerub | i think being out of tree form will /be/ the gimmick |
| 04:52.45 | Jerub | i kinda like the idea |
| 04:53.01 | Jerub | Thrae: i hope healing will be fun |
| 04:53.22 | Thrae | Jerub: It was said a long time ago (like, in WotLK) that they will be allowing Druids to style their Bear and Cat designs using the Hair Styler, but it hasn't been implemented yet. |
| 04:54.13 | Thrae | Jerub: Being out of Tree Form isn't a gimmick, it's a non-gimmick. It makes you the same as all the other healers who are also not in any form, while those healers have special stuff like "Chakra", "Invulnerability and Plate Armor", "Totems" |
| 04:54.57 | cybermind` | you cant directly style the forms |
| 04:55.04 | cybermind` | but you can switch between predesigned ones using hte barber shop |
| 04:55.09 | Thrae | Jerub: I don't feel any irrational love of Tree Form as an any-time shapeshift form, but I would like to see it more often then an "ohshit" or "burst healing" button. |
| 04:55.34 | Thrae | cybermind`: Yeah, they said they would make it more customizable even with colors too. |
| 04:55.36 | Xyphoid | revert tree form to a pure HOT booster imo |
| 04:55.53 | Thrae | Jerub: Or, barring that, some other gimmick. |
| 04:55.56 | cybermind` | tree form should be the norm and then super ancient tree form should be the cooldown |
| 04:56.37 | Thrae | cybermind`: No, I think Blizzard is right and Druids should have at least ONE tree where you normally see them in their humanoid form. |
| 04:57.12 | Thrae | But people who use that point are also missing another point, that they could make a Tree of Life that just modifies your existing model. |
| 04:57.20 | Jerub | Thrae: i think it's going ot be awesome on fights where lots of damage starts getting delt out |
| 04:57.39 | Thrae | Like a "Vine of Life" half-shapeshift form where you grow vines all over your body. |
| 04:57.47 | Jerub | and while other people are just popping cooldowns, you see your 2 druid healers go 'poof' 'poof' and everyone says, "yay, the druids will save us." |
| 04:58.10 | Jerub | there's no other cooldown that will 'pop' quite like tree of life. |
| 04:58.11 | Thrae | Jerub: Yeah, but I'd like to see that "poof" more than just during dire or especially dire circumstances |
| 04:58.16 | Jerub | apart from blust |
| 04:58.46 | Jerub | tree of life will be just as visible as the most-visible buff in the game. i kinda like that |
| 04:59.36 | Thrae | Jerub: Let's say it would currently take X danger for your Druid Healers to pop Tree of Cooldown. I just want that to be X/2. That's all. Then I wouldn't have any problem with what the preview currently indicates to me. |
| 05:00.21 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 05:00.25 | Jerub | Thrae: what's the projected cd on it? |
| 05:00.58 | Xyphoid | we don't even know what cooldown-tree-of-life will *do* do we |
| 05:01.23 | Jamash | Thrae: So, you want a number that you don't know anything about to be half as big. |
| 05:01.40 | Thrae | Jerub: They haven't released that yet, and by the look of the preview, I bet it's going to be a serious issue with Druid Healing. They're seriously revamping Healing for ALL classes. |
| 05:01.49 | Jamash | Congratulations, it is. (as far as you know) |
| 05:01.52 | Xyphoid | we have no information about cooldown or effect or anything, and yet you're complaining it's not awesome enough |
| 05:02.05 | Jerub | Thrae: man, i think healing will be unbalanced and various stuff will get nerfed. |
| 05:02.13 | Jerub | but i have no doubt we'll be 'powerful enough' |
| 05:02.29 | Thrae | Jerub: No, I said, in psuedo code, "If (tooBig) then reduceCooldownInHalf() end" |
| 05:02.36 | Jamash | grass on Thrae's side of fence found to be insufficiently green, film at 11 |
| 05:02.37 | Xyphoid | i actually think effloresence is the most interesting thing about resto druids |
| 05:02.48 | Xyphoid | more positional elements to healing are great |
| 05:02.50 | Kraps | Adys: ping |
| 05:02.58 | Adys | yes? |
| 05:03.00 | Adys | bit busy atm |
| 05:03.07 | Thrae | Jerub: I'm not talking about it from a Buff/Nerf point of view, I'm talking about it from a gimmick (fun) point of view. |
| 05:03.08 | Jerub | nah, the most interesting thing is how blizzard in recent times has posted blue posts that refer to druids 'tabbing through raids' |
| 05:03.16 | Xyphoid | yeah that was odd |
| 05:03.18 | Xyphoid | tabbing? |
| 05:03.19 | Thrae | Jamash: Now that's just trolling. |
| 05:03.26 | Jerub | which means that blizz stil doesn't understnad that healers either a) click heal or b) suck. |
| 05:03.28 | Jamash | blue troll here |
| 05:03.43 | Kraps | Adys: #mmo-champion tells me "Cannot send to channel" |
| 05:03.45 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a metaphore |
| 05:03.50 | Adys | Kraps: +M, auth |
| 05:03.57 | Shirik | setes mode +M Adys |
| 05:03.58 | Thrae | Jerub: Or c) are making an analogy |
| 05:04.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ that was probably a more appropriate term actually |
| 05:04.21 | NightHawkTheSane | s/was/is/; |
| 05:04.38 | Jerub | probably d) they know everyone click heals but refuses to acknowledge it because they can't admit the game is unusable without addons |
| 05:04.41 | Kraps | how do i get auth? |
| 05:04.49 | Adys | Kraps: register with qn |
| 05:04.49 | Xyphoid | did anyone else except shamans and druids get a positional heal in the preview? |
| 05:04.50 | Adys | but |
| 05:04.51 | Adys | i removed it |
| 05:04.52 | Jamash | making fun of someone who is upset about something that doesn't exist yet isn't trolling, actually |
| 05:05.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: i'll say with 100% certainty, that "tabbing" was just an analgogy for iterating through raid members, by whatever means the individual uses to heal |
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| 05:07.24 | Thrae | Jerub: The top healers in my server don't click-heal. That's a silly notion. Anyway, Blizzard probably intends to allow an Interface to set Clickable bindings in Cata, as much as a pain as that is to make right (ask jnwhiteh). |
| 05:08.14 | Thrae | Jerub: If you want a real beef with "required addons", how about DBM/DXE/BigWigs? |
| 05:08.43 | kd3 | oh, fail |
| 05:08.46 | kd3 | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=32649 |
| 05:08.50 | Thrae | While honestly no addon is "required", BossMods ARE required by most raiding groups and guilds. |
| 05:08.50 | kd3 | look at 'sold by' |
| 05:08.54 | kd3 | way to not filter on ptr-only stuff, blizz |
| 05:09.04 | Adys | kd3: yeah its not just that |
| 05:09.06 | Adys | look at glyphs |
| 05:10.38 | Jerub | Thrae: yeah, dbm is so hugely required. |
| 05:11.01 | Jerub | Thrae: i had to pull up a focus frame on my OT the other day because i realised i didn't have dbm installed /after/ joining togc10 |
| 05:11.23 | Jerub | ... good thing we failed with terribad dps because i don'think i'd survive jaraxxus |
| 05:12.12 | Xyphoid | what sucks is mods that can't initialise properly midfight because of secure frames |
| 05:13.30 | Thrae | Jerub: Uhh, why would you need to do that? |
| 05:14.49 | Jerub | Thrae: can't monitor how many stacks my OT had without a focus frame |
| 05:15.05 | Jerub | Thrae: or their poison debuff for worms |
| 05:15.15 | Thrae | Jerub: The default UI has a very nice setup for tanks, you just mark them as "Main Tank" and you can drag that window around with you. What I always ask is for people to mark ALL tanks as "Main Tank" using the Raid Interface, and mark all Healers as "Main Assist". |
| 05:15.29 | Thrae | Jerub: I think the Main Tank window shows debuffs on the tanks. |
| 05:15.33 | Amarande | yay, time for one of the best named quests ever |
| 05:15.35 | Amarande | FUMPING! |
| 05:20.20 | Jamash | not just the best named |
| 05:20.34 | Jamash | also the only quest to date involving the mysterious race of sand gnomes |
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| 05:21.16 | Xyphoid | and dune references |
| 05:21.20 | Xyphoid | as candy on top |
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| 05:31.47 | Adys | Anyone familiar with commandline ftp? |
| 05:32.12 | Jerub | Adys: which OS? |
| 05:32.17 | Adys | unix |
| 05:32.25 | Adys | er |
| 05:32.30 | Adys | gentoo tbp |
| 05:32.38 | Arrowmaster | they are all the same |
| 05:32.40 | Arrowmaster | ftp is ftp |
| 05:32.43 | Adys | yeah figured as much |
| 05:33.21 | Amarande | bah, more spellpower plate. |
| 05:33.26 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: uh, microsfot's commandline client has quirks. |
| 05:33.31 | Jerub | Adys: yeah, what do you need? |
| 05:33.36 | Adys | sec |
| 05:34.25 | Adys | nothing anymore |
| 05:34.26 | Adys | but tyvm! |
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| 05:35.59 | ReAn | :) |
| 05:36.24 | Thunder_Child | shakes his fist @ blizzard |
| 05:36.29 | ReAn | http://pi.ytmnd.com/ <--- when i listen to this while coding my ui tends to get rounder |
| 05:36.31 | ReAn | :) |
| 05:38.15 | Thunder_Child | i'm glad that blizz managed to fail putting a cata tech support bord up |
| 05:38.27 | Thunder_Child | board* |
| 05:38.40 | ReAn | lol |
| 05:38.59 | Amarande | say, are the sand gnomes supposed to be rare? |
| 05:39.05 | Amarande | nine fumps, eight worms and one gnome |
| 05:39.20 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 05:40.28 | Kraps | http://www.vevo.com/watch/the-lonely-island/im-on-a-boat/USUV70900023 |
| 05:42.07 | Thrae | A want to mass mail a bunch of people on my friends list with "Raider" in their Notes. Is there an addon that can do that, or make an event based on that criteria? |
| 05:47.52 | haste | sounds too obscure Thrae |
| 05:49.12 | Thrae | haste: Really? I thought a lot of 25-mans were cross-guild so additional filters would be nice for mailing and/or creating events. |
| 05:50.40 | haste | people create events based on guild rank |
| 05:50.43 | haste | not guild note |
| 05:51.40 | Wobin | not too many 25mans are cross guild |
| 05:51.46 | Wobin | and the ones that are, organise out of game |
| 05:51.48 | Jerub | haste: he means friends list, not guild list |
| 05:51.51 | Shirik | Yay |
| 05:51.59 | Shirik | I was determined to be notable enough to be mentioned in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Aberhart_High_School&diff=360462646&oldid=360460612 |
| 05:52.05 | haste | that's much more obscure then :P |
| 05:52.45 | Thrae | OK, here's an easier one -- is there an addon, maybe using TomTom, that shows you an arrow pointing towards your Friendly Target (assuming you have coordinate information for them)? |
| 05:52.56 | Jamash | you went to high school with raptor jesus???? |
| 05:53.38 | haste | Thrae: also obscure :P |
| 05:53.52 | Shirik | apparently Jamash |
| 05:53.52 | haste | it would require you both to have an add-on communicating the location as well |
| 05:53.56 | Thrae | haste: Well, oddly enough, it's in DroodFocus (a borg addon for Druids) |
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| 05:54.45 | haste | awkward~ |
| 05:58.50 | Kraps | OH SHIT |
| 05:58.56 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/cataclysm-friends-family-alpha-198562/ |
| 05:59.16 | Kraps | IMA CRY |
| 05:59.42 | Kraps | http://www.vevo.com/watch/kelly-clarkson/behind-these-hazel-eyes/USRV80500085 helps |
| 06:00.22 | Bruners | not available in your country |
| 06:00.25 | Bruners | ffffuuuuu |
| 06:00.35 | Shirik | shit |
| 06:00.50 | Shirik | lisp is killing me |
| 06:00.54 | Shirik | it has infected my brain |
| 06:02.18 | Kraps | Bruners: kelly clarkson is not available in your country? :( |
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| 06:28.26 | Shirik | ~wiki User:Doctordenim |
| 06:29.08 | Jamash | lol wut |
| 06:29.21 | Shirik | First he tried to put this on his user page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&details=2661726 |
| 06:30.03 | Jamash | right then |
| 06:30.16 | Shirik | very strange man |
| 06:31.49 | zenzio | how not to turn a bus: http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/05/05/nyheter/innenriks/trafikkulykke/11597951/ |
| 06:33.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:33.49 | zenzio | it would be "lol" except it blocked the ambulance in the picture from reaching a serious car crash 300 meters ahead |
| 06:33.55 | Shirik | I like the translation |
| 06:33.56 | Shirik | Ambulance people had to run to the car accident when the Southern Express stood wrong for them. |
| 06:33.56 | zenzio | (I should've mentioned that first) |
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| 06:42.08 | Dagmar | Gwibber isn't half bad looking, but it has a serious lack of chanop functionality |
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| 06:49.11 | Shirik | .... |
| 06:49.18 | Shirik | among the commercials I don't want to see are things that go |
| 06:49.43 | Shirik | "Vacuum therapy is so effective that it is now the only erectile treatment covered by Medicare Part B" |
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| 06:51.51 | Xyphoid | well, that makes that tree of life conversation real interesting |
| 06:55.26 | Jamash | 3. Related, the spell book tells you at what level you will get future abilities so you can plan accordingly. In addition, when you ding, the UI tells you not only about newly available spells, but also systems and mechanics not tied to your class trainer, such as the ability to train riding, dual spec or use Dungeon Finder. It's pretty sweet. Our UI team is kicking some major booty for... |
| 06:55.28 | Jamash | ...Cataclysm. |
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| 07:04.04 | Sixen | I don't believe MMOChampion leaked that stuff. |
| 07:05.22 | zenzio | I'm not sure whether to be surprised or not |
| 07:05.33 | Sixen | True. |
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| 07:20.31 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/newicons.html |
| 07:20.41 | Adys | if anyone is interested |
| 07:21.47 | Jamash | nice |
| 07:23.01 | Xyphoid | some of that food looks quite tasty |
| 07:23.11 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/img/icons/inv_misc_food_154_fish_77.png |
| 07:23.12 | Adys | right |
| 07:24.05 | Xyphoid | http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/img/icons/inv_misc_food_161_fish_89.png! |
| 07:24.31 | Xyphoid | the URLS on the links are a bit messed btw |
| 07:24.39 | Adys | Xyphoid: yea sec |
| 07:25.07 | Adys | Xyphoid: there fixed |
| 07:26.51 | Xyphoid | nice |
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| 07:31.15 | Amarande | Hey, when did they shorten the Nagrand Nesingwary quests? |
| 07:31.19 | Amarande | I remember you used to have to kill 30 each |
| 07:32.05 | zenzio | quite a while ago I think... but don't know if it was before or after WotLK |
| 07:34.32 | olafski | I did them 1-2 weeks before wotlk and they were still 30 |
| 07:38.40 | olafski | ohh I like the new kobolds |
| 07:39.01 | Wobin | You no take lightsabre? |
| 07:40.04 | olafski | :) |
| 07:40.16 | olafski | what does bibi mean with the client is "public"? it's leaked? |
| 07:40.26 | olafski | I thought he was going to be careful with leaked stuff =) |
| 07:40.30 | Adys | olafski: it leaked |
| 07:40.34 | Adys | all over |
| 07:40.44 | Zyn | and datamined to hell and back ;< |
| 07:41.04 | olafski | won't blizzard be angry if you start posting all of that? |
| 07:41.29 | olafski | I don't mind of course, I'm going to carefully look at each of those screenshots in a bit :) |
| 07:41.32 | Adys | iunno! |
| 07:42.27 | Adys | Sixen: why? |
| 07:42.48 | Sixen | Why what? Am I surprised? |
| 07:43.00 | Adys | yes |
| 07:43.14 | Sixen | There's a pretty strict NDA. |
| 07:43.33 | Adys | theres a client leak, last time i checked we're not an official fansite |
| 07:43.35 | Sixen | Obviously if he wasn't in the F&F he has nothing to lose except Blizzard's trust. |
| 07:43.45 | Sixen | You're on MMOChamp? |
| 07:43.51 | Adys | yes |
| 07:44.12 | Sixen | If I were you, I wouldn't expect anything from Blizzard in regards to press, heh. |
| 07:44.21 | Adys | why would we? |
| 07:44.29 | Adys | and more to the point, have we, ever? :P |
| 07:44.46 | Sixen | Because you're a blizz fansite? And I have no idea, don't visit mmoc much. |
| 07:44.57 | olafski | heathen |
| 07:45.11 | olafski | it's one of the 3 sites I visit every morning :D |
| 07:45.15 | Sixen | Hah :P |
| 07:45.27 | Adys | http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c273/jonutz/tomuchgarr.jpg |
| 07:45.28 | olafski | the others being google reader and IGN for the daily fix |
| 07:45.32 | Adys | made me laugh |
| 07:45.39 | Sixen | Lawl, Adys. |
| 07:45.41 | olafski | :P |
| 07:45.44 | olafski | who makes those? |
| 07:45.50 | Adys | bunch of people |
| 07:45.50 | olafski | it's not the garfield author I assume |
| 07:46.19 | Adys | obviously not |
| 07:46.31 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/alpha.png |
| 07:46.31 | olafski | it does say jim davis.. but I guess they took his drawings and changed the text |
| 07:46.34 | Adys | i tried myself at it \o/ |
| 07:46.37 | olafski | pretty cool :P |
| 07:46.52 | olafski | haha nice |
| 07:47.00 | olafski | only crit I'd have is the font doesn't seem to match |
| 07:47.49 | olafski | oh well, gotta do some shopping.. then look at new orgrimmar :DDD |
| 07:47.49 | Arrowmaster | looks like it matches to me |
| 07:52.35 | Adys | we havent posted the interiors yet |
| 07:52.38 | Adys | stormwind is uploading |
| 07:52.42 | Nechckn | Whoa... when did they add the blinking gatherable nodes? |
| 07:53.00 | Adys | Nechckn: 2.4 |
| 07:53.11 | Adys | and only when you got the relevant Find Nodes up |
| 07:53.20 | Adys | and btw new AH/banks look absolutely fantastic |
| 07:53.21 | Nechckn | Damn.. that is psychedelic! |
| 07:53.31 | Nechckn | Ty, Adys. =) |
| 07:53.52 | Sixen | I like the new Spells/Professions tabs. |
| 08:01.43 | olafski | gotta love that big dramatic gate in orgrimmar, with bars so big even cars could just drive between them :P |
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| 08:03.49 | olafski | and a new drawing for dire maul :D |
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| 08:31.45 | Arrowmaster | rofl at the new QC |
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| 08:45.24 | StijnH | haste: Maybe a silly question, I'm still learning. But why does the oUF health module force a StatusBarTexture? Isn't a StatusBarColor enough? |
| 08:46.58 | olafski | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/catazones/stormwind_32.jpg <-- does that vault door look odd to anyone else? |
| 08:47.59 | zenzio | odd how? |
| 08:48.13 | olafski | shouldn't the wider part of the door be on the outside? |
| 08:48.39 | StijnH | It should, yeah |
| 08:48.41 | olafski | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Tc6dXd06yw0/SfCHqXdy2eI/AAAAAAAAARs/7tIRAaSydwU/s320/bank-vault,+door-open.jpg |
| 08:49.21 | zenzio | olafski: you're right, I didn't notice |
| 08:50.55 | olafski | also the handle seems to be on the wrong side ;) |
| 08:51.08 | olafski | wonder if it's an issue with the way they emulated the server or blizzard's fault :) |
| 08:51.38 | haste | StijnH: you need a texture to color, and it only forces one if you haven't set one |
| 08:51.55 | haste | StijnH: you can set it to a static color to prevent oUF from setting a texture on it too |
| 08:52.30 | zenzio | olafski: could just be Blizzard's fault. Some guy crams together the 3D model, another positions it and doesn't notice it's the wrong way |
| 08:52.47 | Fisker | Who says it's a private server anyway olafski? ;3 |
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| 08:53.58 | haste | Fisker: the lack of mobs probably |
| 08:55.04 | Nechckn | Anyone heard if the timbermaw tunnel will finally open into Azshara? |
| 08:55.29 | Nechckn | Not some huge thing, but would be sorta cool. |
| 08:55.37 | Fisker | haste you could easily make screenshots without mobs anyway |
| 08:55.59 | StijnH | haste: I didn't know a texture is required. How can I set a static color? |
| 08:57.42 | StijnH | I wonder what that pleasure palace is about |
| 08:57.51 | airtonix | hard drugs and dangerous sex |
| 08:58.17 | StijnH | It even has a pool |
| 08:58.28 | airtonix | bit like that virtual club in caprica |
| 08:58.40 | haste | StijnH: StijnH self.Health:GetStatusBarTexture():SetTexture(r, g, b[, a]) |
| 08:58.53 | StijnH | haste: thank you very much :) |
| 08:58.56 | haste | StijnH: oUF shouldn't be touching your texture if you do that |
| 08:59.52 | StijnH | So that NDA thing for the Alpha.. if someone breaks it, that means everyone else can too? |
| 08:59.59 | airtonix | it was icarus that flew too close to the sun yeah ? |
| 09:00.10 | Nechckn | Not if you signed it, StijnH |
| 09:00.46 | Nechckn | Yes, airtonix |
| 09:01.11 | airtonix | http://www.squidoo.com/wing-suit |
| 09:04.31 | Nechckn | lol.. have seen those before- as if parachuting is not pushing your luck, enough. |
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| 09:15.45 | Adys | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/catazones/hyjal_42.jpg |
| 09:19.38 | Kaso | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/catazones/azshara_17.jpg |
| 09:19.48 | Kaso | Azsaha becomes a gold course? |
| 09:19.52 | Kaso | *golf |
| 09:20.04 | Arrowmaster | duh |
| 09:20.10 | Arrowmaster | the goblins remodeled it |
| 09:20.16 | Arrowmaster | what else would they turn it into |
| 09:22.16 | Xyphoid | oh man golf quests |
| 09:23.09 | Arrowmaster | they better add a way to play golf |
| 09:23.26 | Xyphoid | gold is the new jousting |
| 09:23.48 | Kaso | d and f should not be so close together |
| 09:23.55 | Arrowmaster | then make an instance that is really just the zone with nobody else in it so you can play golf without interruptions |
| 09:24.09 | Xyphoid | hope it's a new battleground |
| 09:24.24 | tekkub | if it's a BG it should be minigolf |
| 09:24.24 | Xyphoid | gobin golf bots |
| 09:24.25 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 09:24.51 | Arrowmaster | i can see it now, forums full of posts saying "NERF WINDMILL!!!!!" |
| 09:24.55 | tekkub | reverse capture the flag |
| 09:27.07 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/ |
| 09:27.45 | Xyphoid | stormwind with walls is beautiful |
| 09:31.40 | sylvanaar_atwork | ie9 is not bad |
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| 09:32.35 | sylvanaar_atwork | "Falling Balls" |
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| 09:46.36 | airtonix | puberty? |
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| 09:52.38 | olafski | wow chrome does horrible in that browser flip thing |
| 09:53.58 | zenzio | browser flip? |
| 09:54.08 | zenzio | oh, I see |
| 09:54.10 | airtonix | its silverlight no? |
| 09:55.36 | zenzio | "Browser Flip is a simple game that uses standard HTML, CSS and JavaScript markup to flip over tiles and expose hidden images." |
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| 09:56.31 | olafski | :) |
| 09:56.44 | olafski | not gonna install a beta browser but I wonder how IE9 does on that then |
| 09:57.38 | zenzio | I hate to say it, but I'm actually optimistic about IE9 |
| 09:57.57 | zenzio | not in the sense I believe I'll end up using it, but it seems good for those who do |
| 09:58.52 | airtonix | if it keeps creating its own tags and failing to impliment the w3c css3 then its still no good. |
| 09:59.08 | airtonix | chrome and firefox are failing there too |
| 09:59.13 | olafski | I wonder how much the average user will care about that |
| 09:59.33 | airtonix | about as muc has you care where you get your heroin |
| 09:59.54 | airtonix | ergo not much |
| 09:59.57 | olafski | indeed |
| 09:59.59 | Arrowmaster | does anything support css3 yet? |
| 10:00.02 | airtonix | yes |
| 10:00.46 | airtonix | but not fully and css3 still needs more concepts... like the css columns isn't properly planned |
| 10:01.00 | Arrowmaster | does css3 still have all the nice stuff or did they rip it apart before finalizing it? |
| 10:01.33 | Arrowmaster | like i tried to look into messing with word wraping in a text area and it was impossible without css3 |
| 10:02.03 | airtonix | multiple backgrounds, strecthable border imaging |
| 10:02.22 | airtonix | but things like page-break and column rules need to be looked at |
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| 10:05.11 | zenzio | :-o |
| 10:05.15 | zenzio | the Kirkburn |
| 10:05.49 | Kirkburn | Indeed :) |
| 10:05.57 | airtonix | is that like the picard facepalm ? |
| 10:07.18 | Arrowmaster | no its that burning sensation Kirk gets when he pees after spending time with all those green aliens chicks |
| 10:07.36 | airtonix | so its quite manly then |
| 10:07.43 | Arrowmaster | very |
| 10:08.00 | airtonix | whereas the picard facepalm has a bit of nail polish involved |
| 10:10.12 | zenzio | hey, the Picard facepalm is the manliest facepalm there is |
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| 10:11.12 | Cruciformer | Hello everyone :) |
| 10:11.18 | zenzio | hey there |
| 10:11.24 | Cruciformer | long time no visit here |
| 10:11.45 | zenzio | indeed |
| 10:11.55 | zenzio | we were about to reconsider your membership |
| 10:12.08 | Maldivia | night night Cairenn ? |
| 10:12.08 | Cruciformer | awww but I payed my dues :) |
| 10:12.18 | Cairenn|afk | night |
| 10:12.29 | Maldivia | :P |
| 10:13.34 | Cruciformer | Is the current toc version still 30300? I was just about to upload to curse and saw it had an option for 3.3.3? |
| 10:14.03 | zenzio | I don't think they tend to update the toc version for minor patches |
| 10:15.01 | Maldivia | well, I assume next patch will change it, considering the API changes to support battle.net chat |
| 10:15.10 | Cruciformer | I am out of gametime so I cant even check to make 100% sure things work (but it was a simple edit). |
| 10:15.20 | Cruciformer | Maldivia: Ah ok but that hasnt changed yet? |
| 10:15.28 | Maldivia | Cruciformer: afaik, that's for 3.3.5 |
| 10:15.39 | Cruciformer | I dont even know what the current client version is *blush* |
| 10:15.45 | Maldivia | 3.3.3 |
| 10:15.59 | Maldivia | Cruciformer: http://www.wowcompares.com/ |
| 10:16.20 | zenzio | Maldivia: hm, true. Maybe it's more correct to say they don't change the toc version except for in content patches; but I don't remember well enough to say if that is true :-p |
| 10:16.32 | Cruciformer | Is that being updated again? wowcompares was dormant for quite a while |
| 10:16.35 | Maldivia | zenzio: 20003 :) |
| 10:17.41 | Maldivia | Cruciformer: hmm yeah, since it's not up todate, you might be right, it still lists 3.3.0 as latest :) |
| 10:18.13 | Cruciformer | turns out I have enough room on my US CC to get more time so I'll do that and be 100% sure. |
| 10:18.16 | Maldivia | Cruciformer: then there's always http://www.wowwiki.com/Patches |
| 10:23.08 | airtonix | or http://www.quitwow.com/ |
| 10:23.49 | Cruciformer | i can quit wow easily enough I cant quit writing my mod though, I have users that depend on it. |
| 10:23.59 | airtonix | keep telling yourself that |
| 10:24.03 | olafski | uhuh :P |
| 10:24.32 | Cruciformer | Im serious lol ... I havent logged in in nearly 2 months |
| 10:24.37 | Arrowmaster | look at me, i did both |
| 10:24.46 | olafski | if many users depend on it, surely one of them can take over |
| 10:24.55 | Arrowmaster | i told over a million people to go fuck themselves |
| 10:25.05 | olafski | which addon was that arrowmaster? :[ |
| 10:25.12 | Cruciformer | cartographer? |
| 10:25.20 | olafski | ah |
| 10:25.32 | Cruciformer | it was a guess not a statement :) |
| 10:26.02 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 10:26.54 | airtonix | LULZ |
| 10:27.13 | airtonix | call for /blackup |
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| 10:32.15 | A-KO | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.18 | A-KO | LOL Obsidian Shards! |
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| 10:33.32 | Kaso | wait |
| 10:33.42 | Kaso | so we have to go back to AQ to get damn obsidian? |
| 10:34.45 | Xyphoid | pretty unlikely |
| 10:36.06 | A-KO | interesting, they changed what kobolds look like |
| 10:38.12 | olafski | yeah they look awesome imo :) |
| 10:41.53 | Thrae | What do you guys think of DBM vs DXE? |
| 10:42.41 | zenzio | what are those? |
| 10:42.52 | olafski | dbm is deadly bossmods I assume |
| 10:43.04 | Thrae | Raid Encounter Helpers |
| 10:43.22 | olafski | dxe = deus vox encounters |
| 10:44.29 | airtonix | Diabolical Basement Manager |
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| 11:12.57 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php |
| 11:13.07 | Adys | 1k needles, ashenvale, twilight highlands up |
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| 11:15.59 | Thrae | OK, LibFail and EnsidiaFails both sound very, very cool. |
| 11:16.24 | haste | aren't all those fail add-ons... fail |
| 11:17.16 | olafski | ooh 1k needles |
| 11:17.18 | olafski | sounds fun |
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| 11:21.00 | A-KO | wow |
| 11:21.03 | A-KO | 1K needles got flooded to shit |
| 11:21.23 | Fisker | Can anyone send me the enUS binary for WoW? |
| 11:21.59 | Bruners | no |
| 11:22.54 | olafski | I wonder if they made ashenvale not suck |
| 11:24.02 | olafski | hey cool the horde took over one of the alliance buildings :D |
| 11:24.16 | Xyphoid | auberdine is toast \m/ |
| 11:25.15 | A-KO | weren't horde supposed to take over Southshore? |
| 11:25.19 | A-KO | but then they decided against it :( |
| 11:25.48 | A-KO | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/catazones/twilighthighlands_24.jpg < LOLHOBBITS |
| 11:26.49 | A-KO | Is it just me or does the new orc architecture design not really feel like the orcs are heading the direction that it seemed they were heading at the beginning of WoW? |
| 11:27.24 | A-KO | Like it seemed like they were wanting to go back to their shaman roots, and so their buildings were largely simple--now they're heavily fortified structures that resemble orc blood-raged structures in Outlands |
| 11:28.32 | olafski | well.. garrosh is the new leader of the horde |
| 11:29.02 | A-KO | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/catazones/twilighthighlands_65.jpg < that's certainly interesting. Old God under the Twilight Highlands, perhaps? |
| 11:29.20 | Wobin | what's with the golf course in azshara? |
| 11:29.25 | A-KO | goblins |
| 11:29.33 | A-KO | Azshara is kind of the new goblin home :P |
| 11:29.58 | foxlit | "... because the server unexpectedly dropped the connection" |
| 11:30.02 | foxlit | You killed it, A-KO. |
| 11:30.44 | A-KO | jesus, wonder what the expansion after Cataclysm will be like--if there is one. |
| 11:31.16 | foxlit | Standard silithid architecture, thoough |
| 11:31.59 | A-KO | foxlit: yeah but don't the silithid worship the old gods? If they're around......there's something around :P |
| 11:32.28 | A-KO | well in that case, since the NDAs seem to be lifted |
| 11:32.31 | A-KO | I'm still waiting for my invite :( |
| 11:33.41 | A-KO | Not sure how they're handling the F&F alpha......but mine was put in on Monday :( |
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| 11:34.46 | Xyphoid | what makes you think the ndas are lifted |
| 11:34.58 | A-KO | uhm |
| 11:35.01 | A-KO | mmo champion? |
| 11:35.11 | Xyphoid | people breaking them doesn't mean they're lifted |
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| 11:36.37 | A-KO | ahhh |
| 11:36.47 | A-KO | Cataclysm Friends & Family Alpha |
| 11:36.47 | A-KO | The Cataclysm Client is now ... slightly less private and a lot of spoilers will be published soon. I'll just jump in the train. |
| 11:37.00 | Xyphoid | plus if you're not in the alpha you're not bound by it anyway |
| 11:37.08 | A-KO | yet :P |
| 11:37.19 | A-KO | Dunno what's going on though :( |
| 11:42.13 | Fisker | actually you are Xyphoid |
| 11:42.55 | A-KO | Boubouille is just trying to prevent other sites from stealing hits :P |
| 11:43.04 | A-KO | though if he's still bound by NDA, this will likely get him removed... |
| 11:43.59 | Fisker | if he's even in the beta i doubt that they know who he is |
| 11:45.34 | A-KO | oh I'm sure someone does, depending on who that person is depends on if they'll talk or not :P |
| 11:45.56 | Fisker | They won't actually know who to talk to, if they don't know who the person is. |
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| 11:48.12 | ZorbaBeta | holy shit, how much higher are ilvls going to be in Cataclysm |
| 11:48.30 | Kaso | well minimum 300 is on all the enchants |
| 11:48.31 | A-KO | probably not that much higher, I know they said in wotlk they went higher than they wanted--but who knows |
| 11:48.54 | ZorbaBeta | kaso, that's what I'm looking at. they've never before made enchants that couldn't be used until a significant way through the expansion |
| 11:49.09 | ZorbaBeta | so, what, are we going to have 300 starter greens? |
| 11:49.22 | Fisker | we should |
| 11:49.35 | Fisker | so i think we'll break atleast ilevel 400 |
| 11:49.57 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, later on definitely 400 or more |
| 11:49.59 | Kaso | i dunno with leveling supposedly going to take longer perhaps theyre capping the high level enchants to just high level items, so that you cant buy a load of high level enchants and pimp your green leveling gear or something |
| 11:50.04 | Kaso | i think 300 will be the new 200 |
| 11:50.06 | Kaso | or 187 |
| 11:50.21 | ZorbaBeta | though honestly, with the progression we saw in wrath, we'll end up >500 |
| 11:50.28 | ZorbaBeta | kaso, maybe |
| 11:53.11 | Kaso | i think 300 will be the new 200, that makes sense to me, in that our 264s will be pretty much useful until we hit cap and start doing heroics, or something. |
| 11:53.26 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I could believe that. still, odd enchant behavior |
| 12:01.15 | Fisker | there will be achievement locked items btw |
| 12:02.13 | Kaso | like can't use an item from an instance till you get the "completed that instance" achivement? |
| 12:02.22 | Fisker | maybe |
| 12:02.34 | Kaso | i wonder what the aim of that is |
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| 12:02.56 | Fisker | actually |
| 12:03.04 | Fisker | it's talking about purchased items |
| 12:03.45 | Kaso | ah, so some instance vendor that you cant use till you finish the instance once, thats pretty good |
| 12:04.47 | Kaso | I like how there is a third rank of bandages rather than just normal/heavy |
| 12:04.57 | Kaso | i guess to make them less useless when you're high geared |
| 12:05.23 | Xinhuan | whats the chat topic? :P |
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| 12:05.44 | Xyphoid | remember how first aid once did something apart from bandages |
| 12:06.16 | Kaso | Xinhuan: just random cata stuff |
| 12:06.16 | zenzio | a whooping two "remove poison" items |
| 12:06.26 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 12:06.31 | Xinhuan | whats different about bandages? |
| 12:06.38 | olafski | I think I actually used those poison things once or twice zenzio! |
| 12:06.45 | olafski | "hey I used these to level, might as well click them" |
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| 12:06.58 | zenzio | olafski: yeah, in Naxx40 I used them on Faerlina |
| 12:07.08 | Kaso | Xinhuan: they have Whatevercloth bandage, and Heavy Whatevercloth and Dense Whatevercloth |
| 12:07.14 | zenzio | but they never did anything more useful with it than bandages since BC |
| 12:07.20 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 12:07.23 | Kaso | so an extra rank of bandages that do less than 5% of your hp as a tank hopefully |
| 12:07.54 | Xinhuan | if they created salves that could heal poisons, that might be more useful lol |
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| 12:08.26 | Xyphoid | expansionthemecloth and expansiontheme-commonore and expansiontheme-rareore is getting a leetle tedious, i hope they mix it up a little |
| 12:09.01 | Kaso | i think you might be dissapointed |
| 12:09.18 | Xyphoid | go dreamcloth and dreamrock and dreamsteel then legioncloth and legionrock and legionsteel |
| 12:09.26 | Kaso | Embersilk is the cloth, Pyrite is the common ore |
| 12:13.12 | Xyphoid | oh sorry dreamcloth is the new rare cloth already, i'll predict emeraldcloth instead |
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| 12:13.56 | Kaso | it seems like theyre making elemental clothes |
| 12:14.07 | Kaso | so its all dreamcloth but then you embue it with an element |
| 12:14.26 | Kaso | Dream of Ragnaros - Combines cloth and the elements of fire to weave a piece of Dreamcloth. This Dreamcloth recipe can only be created once a week. |
| 12:14.27 | Kaso | # Dream of Azshara - Combines cloth and the elements of water to weave a piece of Dreamcloth. This Dreamcloth recipe can only be created once a week. |
| 12:14.55 | zenzio | dude, your clothes are on fire |
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| 12:24.13 | olafski | kaso: sounds more to me like you can make several pieces of (identical) dreamcloth every week, but they each require different reagents |
| 12:24.26 | Kaso | oh interesting |
| 12:24.34 | Kaso | perhaps that might be correct |
| 12:26.41 | Fisker | would be nice also |
| 12:26.53 | Fisker | to get rid of all that fluctuation on eternals |
| 12:26.55 | olafski | yeah then at least all of the cloth is the same price |
| 12:27.04 | Fisker | i.e. eternal shadow is worth shit, but eternal fire is 10 times the cost |
| 12:27.12 | olafski | that too |
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| 12:28.27 | foxlit | One very easy way to fix that |
| 12:28.32 | foxlit | Remove elemental transmute cooldowns |
| 12:29.46 | ZorbaBeta | that'd work if they added more mats required to transmute |
| 12:29.49 | olafski | yeah but I guess they don't want everybopdy to farm just the easy ones |
| 12:29.53 | ZorbaBeta | otherwise they may as well just turn all the elements into "element" |
| 12:30.07 | olafski | "oh I'll just farm eternal life since I can convert it to anything else free of charge" |
| 12:30.10 | ZorbaBeta | I think they're trying to equalize the costs somewhat, but not completely remove the differences |
| 12:31.40 | foxlit | It'll self-balance |
| 12:31.54 | foxlit | If you make all of the elements cost the same, you'll still farm the easy ones and trade them for the hard ones |
| 12:31.58 | foxlit | After all, they cost the same? |
| 12:32.33 | ZorbaBeta | right but my point is that, if you're doing that, there's no reason to even have multiple eternals |
| 12:32.45 | ZorbaBeta | you may as well combine them into one item type |
| 12:33.42 | foxlit | Yes, but that's a complaint about the objective, not the implementation |
| 12:33.52 | foxlit | For what its worth, finding an alchemist to convert stuff is also a cost :) |
| 12:37.12 | Kaso | what do people make of the transmute: Transmute: Elemental Fusion - Transform the six elements into a random single element. Creates |
| 12:37.47 | ZorbaBeta | is there more to the text than that? |
| 12:38.41 | Kaso | just item ids |
| 12:38.50 | ZorbaBeta | how odd |
| 12:39.06 | Wobin | http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/05/google-chrome-video-test/ |
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| 12:39.42 | ZorbaBeta | the icons make me think that it's the small elemental versions |
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| 12:39.50 | ZorbaBeta | turn six 1/10-element into one random element |
| 12:39.59 | Kaso | Transmute: Elemental Fusion - Transform the six elements into a random single element. Creates Item #54464 x 4. / Reagents: Item #52325, Item #52326, Item #52327, Item #52328, Item #52329, Item #52330 |
| 12:39.59 | Kaso | ah |
| 12:40.00 | Kaso | makes four of the random element apparently |
| 12:40.00 | Kaso | from six of the others |
| 12:40.00 | Kaso | does not compute |
| 12:40.24 | Kaso | seems rather fiddly |
| 12:40.24 | ZorbaBeta | okay, into four random element? :D |
| 12:40.52 | ZorbaBeta | in many ways I'm rather surprised the items are still so incomplete |
| 12:42.19 | olafski | kaso: I guess that only "works" if 3 or more of the elements are useless to you =) |
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| 13:00.39 | DWSR | holy shit. |
| 13:00.44 | DWSR | I just saw the news post on MMOC. |
| 13:00.47 | DWSR | DOOD. |
| 13:00.51 | DWSR | THERE'S A HIGHWAY |
| 13:01.17 | zenzio | to hell? |
| 13:01.22 | DWSR | In Azshara. |
| 13:01.27 | DWSR | It goes....to Azshara. |
| 13:02.05 | Kaso | there's a golf course1 |
| 13:02.10 | zenzio | I'm amused that the wording was changed from 'is now "public"' to 'is now ... slightly less private' |
| 13:03.22 | foxlit | Stranglethorn arena encourages... sneaky gameplay. |
| 13:03.33 | Kaso | seems an odd situtation for him to be in, restricted by NDA but editor of a site that routinely publishes leaked stuff |
| 13:03.36 | Kaso | i could imagine blizzard terminating his f&f account |
| 13:04.37 | foxlit | If it's anything like live servers, you don't need to have an account to update the client |
| 13:06.05 | foxlit | So if the client ever leaks from the f&f people, it's basically a free-for-all for mpq hunting and sandbox screenshots. |
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| 13:08.11 | Kaso | well yeah |
| 13:08.18 | Kaso | but i was thinking as retailation |
| 13:08.30 | Kaso | though i guess blizzard have become more accepting of leaks |
| 13:09.19 | Kraps | Bibi: ping |
| 13:10.47 | Kraps | A FREAKING GOLF COURSE http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/catazones/azshara_17.jpg |
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| 13:14.28 | DWSR | lolwut? |
| 13:14.33 | DWSR | You had better be able to golf. |
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| 13:14.49 | Kraps | lol doubt it |
| 13:14.58 | DWSR | Why? It wouldn't be that hard. |
| 13:15.07 | DWSR | Mechanics are already in place. |
| 13:15.11 | zenzio | golf is the new, so far unannounced secondary profession |
| 13:15.15 | Kraps | Dense Embersilk Bandage |
| 13:16.01 | Kraps | thats the one that applies faster that was removes in the wotlk beta |
| 13:16.17 | DWSR | zenzio: It's a great money maker, but occasionally requires public apologies after you crash your gryphon/wyvern into a building in a Stormwind/Orgrimmar after your wife beats you. |
| 13:16.43 | zenzio | Kraps: sweet, now we can bandage our 15% health in less time! |
| 13:16.50 | zenzio | hates bandages |
| 13:17.01 | DWSR | Do you hate yogurt too? |
| 13:17.06 | DWSR | Especially with strawberries? |
| 13:17.11 | Kraps | zenzio: i know, they better be worth it |
| 13:17.14 | zenzio | very much so DWSR |
| 13:17.14 | foxlit | First Aid is a joke. |
| 13:17.21 | DWSR | 2 points if you get the reference. |
| 13:17.31 | DWSR | foxlit: It's useful for leveling if you're a class with limited self-healing. |
| 13:17.39 | zenzio | I think I used first aid some in vanilla leveling |
| 13:17.43 | DWSR | (i.e. warrior or rogue or hunter). |
| 13:17.52 | zenzio | and to bandage warlocks when it wasn't my tank phase on Hydross |
| 13:18.15 | foxlit | But they had a dense bandage recipe for wrath |
| 13:18.26 | foxlit | -- higher hps -- but it was never released :/ |
| 13:18.40 | foxlit | Also, people sneezing at you breaking bandaging is silly :( |
| 13:19.12 | DWSR | meh. |
| 13:19.46 | foxlit | Even sillier: bandage breaking when bleed dots tick. |
| 13:19.54 | foxlit | "Oh noes, I'm bleeding! Better stop bandaging then." |
| 13:20.33 | olafski | hm I use bandages all the time while leveling |
| 13:20.50 | olafski | whenever they're off cooldown, on the last warrior I leveled |
| 13:21.17 | foxlit | And that is just bad design. |
| 13:21.21 | DWSR | foxlit: Yeah, I agree. |
| 13:21.36 | foxlit | You're using them on cooldown because their effect is so minor that it doesn't actually win you much. |
| 13:21.46 | zenzio | olafski: these days you're better off popping Enraged Regeneration |
| 13:21.56 | Kraps | excellent, people are theorycrafting using the alpha talent trees |
| 13:22.02 | olafski | level 75 zenzio :P |
| 13:22.09 | DWSR | Kraps: lol inorite? |
| 13:22.15 | foxlit | Nerf $kraps->getCharacterClass()! |
| 13:22.39 | olafski | foxlit: well I leveled as prot so that's true.. but with a dps spec a bandage would probably have healed me for like 50% |
| 13:22.50 | zenzio | O_o |
| 13:22.51 | zenzio | when? |
| 13:23.02 | DWSR | Bandages are never that overpowered. |
| 13:23.08 | olafski | heavy frostweave is 5800 |
| 13:23.16 | olafski | you can get that around level 71 I guess |
| 13:23.33 | olafski | then again, with a dps spec I'd have taken more damage so probably would've needed more bandages too =) |
| 13:24.03 | olafski | and at any rate it beats eating in hps :) |
| 13:24.55 | Kraps | http://www.mmo-champion.com/class-priest/lack-of-new-shadow-talents/ |
| 13:25.05 | Kraps | LIEK OMG |
| 13:25.06 | Wobin | dolby, |
| 13:25.14 | Wobin | I'm getting censorship on my post =( |
| 13:25.22 | Wobin | because I spell the word 'Socialise' |
| 13:25.40 | Wobin | and thanks to the drug companies... I get So*****e =( |
| 13:25.48 | zenzio | lol |
| 13:26.01 | Wobin | I'm being totally oppressed =P |
| 13:26.19 | foxlit | Wobin: american spelling to the rescue |
| 13:26.20 | foxlit | use a z |
| 13:26.25 | Wobin | I did |
| 13:26.28 | Wobin | I feel dirty now =( |
| 13:26.34 | Wobin | scrubs at himself to no avail |
| 13:26.47 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=187231#post187231 |
| 13:26.53 | DWSR | this thread is meant as an in dept discussion <-- what a failure. |
| 13:27.06 | zenzio | clearly he meant "in debt" |
| 13:27.10 | Wobin | DWSR, perhaps an in departmental discussion |
| 13:27.29 | Wobin | zenzio, I've had those with my accountant =( |
| 13:28.06 | foxlit | When you have to clarify what your threads are meant as, it's usually time to head for the door |
| 13:29.10 | Fisker | hey Kraps |
| 13:29.39 | Kraps | hey Fisker |
| 13:29.49 | Fisker | i wonder if he even noticed that basically every talent tree is the same |
| 13:30.00 | Fisker | minor changes, and only in a very few cases are there any additions |
| 13:30.30 | Fisker | i wonder if that's why they call it..... a beta |
| 13:30.31 | Kaso | i hope shadow word barrier looks cool |
| 13:30.32 | Fisker | YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 13:30.37 | DWSR | Is Bryntroll's proc affected by spellpower? |
| 13:30.38 | Kaso | i mean power word |
| 13:30.42 | DWSR | Fisker: :D |
| 13:33.29 | olafski | I thought they called it an alpha |
| 13:33.41 | DWSR | Shut up. |
| 13:33.48 | DWSR | He made a meme reference that I actually liked. |
| 13:33.51 | DWSR | Bask in the moment. |
| 13:38.11 | Kraps | will all the kobolds look like the screenshots? |
| 13:38.54 | Kaso | Wobin: see the problem is that we dont have lounge in the name anymore ;p at least that portrayed the casualness of the channel |
| 13:39.13 | Wobin | true =) |
| 13:40.18 | DWSR | Kaso: No, the problem is that he came into the channel at 6am. |
| 13:40.23 | DWSR | And he was only in here for 20 minutes. |
| 13:40.28 | DWSR | And he's fucking stupid. |
| 13:40.31 | Kaso | lol |
| 13:45.22 | zenzio | what's "a metric town"? |
| 13:45.23 | olafski | I feel important |
| 13:45.29 | olafski | he mentioned me as one of the spammers |
| 13:45.35 | olafski | zenzio: :D |
| 13:45.41 | olafski | it's a town that uses the metric system |
| 13:46.12 | Wobin | most towns are metric |
| 13:46.15 | Wobin | unless you're in the US |
| 13:46.17 | olafski | yes |
| 13:46.22 | Wobin | nods |
| 13:46.26 | olafski | and bibi dropped a whole town |
| 13:46.38 | olafski | better stop talking about this now though |
| 13:46.39 | olafski | it's off topic =( |
| 13:46.47 | zenzio | true |
| 13:47.03 | Wobin | checks the channel topic |
| 13:47.05 | olafski | so how about those addons eh |
| 13:47.07 | Wobin | we should be talking about boobs |
| 13:47.20 | zenzio | metric boobs |
| 13:47.41 | Kraps | the CIA |
| 13:47.55 | olafski | sst they're listening |
| 13:48.09 | Kraps | and reporting :( |
| 13:49.34 | Kraps | i dont like looking at screenies |
| 13:49.53 | olafski | I do :( |
| 13:49.58 | olafski | the golf course is my new wallpaper |
| 13:49.59 | Kaso | A metric town is is one with exactly 1000 houses, as opposed to an imperial town which has 1016 |
| 13:50.25 | Kraps | eyes Kaso and slowly backs away |
| 13:51.29 | Kaso | or a short town which has 907! |
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| 13:52.34 | Fisker | i hate Blizzard though |
| 13:53.16 | Mihau | What? |
| 13:53.18 | Mihau | Why? |
| 13:53.36 | Kraps | omg lava surge! http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman#,,11927 |
| 13:53.37 | Fisker | For example if i were to rename certain files and folders in my enGB install it would basically be an enUS install, bar some stuff like addon signatures but the repair tool doesn't give a shit about it |
| 13:53.49 | Fisker | So instead of having to download 10MB of something i have to redownload the client |
| 13:53.49 | haste | Fisker: 1551.15| You are not in a guild. -- this is your fault! |
| 13:53.55 | Fisker | yes haste |
| 13:55.33 | Kaso | Fisker: cant enGB clients connect to us servers as is? |
| 13:55.38 | Fisker | yes |
| 13:55.50 | Fisker | But lets say this "patch" doesn't exist for enGB clients yet |
| 13:55.54 | Fisker | *coughs* |
| 13:55.58 | Kaso | lol |
| 13:56.00 | Kaso | oh i see |
| 13:57.14 | Ycarene | About how many hitpoints should a fresh 80 prot pally have? |
| 13:57.31 | olafski | 45k |
| 13:57.45 | Ycarene | ahem, FRESH 80 |
| 13:57.52 | olafski | should or will? :P |
| 13:57.52 | DWSR | 45k |
| 13:58.06 | olafski | I think the question is not very useful |
| 13:58.20 | olafski | perhaps it should be "how much HP should a pally tank have to tank [X]?" |
| 13:58.38 | Ycarene | Well, ok, how much for the normals at 80? |
| 13:58.59 | olafski | anything is fine for normals |
| 13:59.07 | olafski | (assuming you don't mean the frozen halls) |
| 13:59.23 | olafski | you'll probably have about 20-22k if you have at least the tempered saronite stuff |
| 13:59.57 | olafski | for "old" heroics 22k hp is also fine but make sure you have 535 defense |
| 14:00.17 | Ycarene | I was thinking of getting defense capped on normal stuff and emblem gear then going heroic, 25-30k should be fine for heroics I think. |
| 14:00.39 | olafski | definitely |
| 14:00.46 | olafski | I went straight to heroics when I reached 80 on my warrior |
| 14:00.51 | olafski | had the full tempered saronite set |
| 14:01.04 | olafski | and about 20 emblems so after 2 heroics I could buy T9 shoulders |
| 14:01.29 | Ycarene | Well, it might be a bit before I hit 80, I just hit 74, but I'm trying to plan ahead |
| 14:01.47 | olafski | if you have some cash, get the 245 bracers crafted and put +40 stam on them, should give you a nice boost |
| 14:01.58 | Ycarene | I'm not going to worry about getting crafted stuff, I don't have a BS high enough and it's not smart to buy it from the AH. |
| 14:02.14 | olafski | not smart is in the eye of the beholder I guess |
| 14:02.29 | olafski | you could just.. ask in trade though |
| 14:02.32 | olafski | or ask a friend/guildie |
| 14:02.44 | olafski | I bought the mats and had some random dude craft all of it for a 50g fee |
| 14:03.04 | olafski | plus it's nice leveling gear too, you can start using tempered saronite at 74 I think |
| 14:03.32 | Ycarene | Its not fair to burden a guildie for it though, I'll just do normals and buy triumph stuff until I'm there. |
| 14:04.20 | olafski | burden? |
| 14:04.22 | olafski | wtf kind of guild are you in :/ |
| 14:04.33 | olafski | it takes them 1 minute to craft that |
| 14:04.46 | Ycarene | Oh, they wouldn't mind doing it if I had the mats, but I don't feel comfortable asking. |
| 14:04.59 | olafski | but have it your way :P it'll be a bit harder to get defcapped that way though |
| 14:05.53 | Ycarene | I don't think so, I should be at least halfway there by the time I hit 80 |
| 14:07.43 | olafski | as I said |
| 14:07.52 | olafski | I was defcapped when I hit 80 :P |
| 14:09.35 | Ycarene | But I THINK I'm doing ok with her now. |
| 14:12.46 | olafski | man I thought I was an antisocial player |
| 14:12.54 | olafski | not wanting to ask guildies for a craft though :/ |
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| 14:13.39 | Ycarene | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Destromath&cn=Pella |
| 14:13.58 | Ycarene | Well, they get a lot of patterns through raids, and I don't raid. |
| 14:14.42 | olafski | tempered saronite is blue stuff you learn from a vendor |
| 14:23.30 | Ackis | anyone get the alpha?! zomg penis |
| 14:25.06 | Kraps | garrosh likes spikes http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/catazone/orgrimmar_05.jpg |
| 14:25.46 | Kraps | the better to impale Alliance pigs with? |
| 14:28.04 | Ackis | what's this real ID stuff I hear aboot? |
| 14:28.23 | Kraps | Ackis: ... |
| 14:28.38 | Kraps | wheres your cave at? |
| 14:28.51 | Ackis | Canada |
| 14:28.58 | DWSR | Lies |
| 14:29.08 | DWSR | We would never let him in the country. |
| 14:29.16 | Fisker | Kraps i think even cavemen know about it |
| 14:29.25 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: it's fail |
| 14:29.35 | Fisker | you're fail Thunder_Child |
| 14:29.36 | Ackis | it's the Facebook integration? or cross-game chat? |
| 14:29.42 | DWSR | Cross game chat. |
| 14:29.49 | Fisker | both |
| 14:29.56 | DWSR | It's "real ID" because you need to give away your b.net e-mail. |
| 14:29.56 | Wobin | garrosh likes banners |
| 14:30.06 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: http://www.battle.net/realid/ |
| 14:30.08 | Ackis | Fisker: isn't it in SC2 beta already? |
| 14:30.11 | DWSR | And it will let you see that person's "real name" according to their account info. |
| 14:30.13 | DWSR | Ackis: Yes. |
| 14:30.15 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 14:30.42 | Ackis | Time to change my real name to Bob McPenis |
| 14:30.49 | Fisker | you can't |
| 14:31.04 | DWSR | ^ |
| 14:31.07 | Wobin | unless he does it by deed poll |
| 14:31.07 | Thunder_Child | because it already is |
| 14:31.54 | Kraps | "...Ony 3.0. And we have to kill her with Nefarian. On a boat. In the mountains. FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" |
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| 14:32.11 | Cide | too soon. |
| 14:32.47 | Kraps | srsly what is this http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/78619/ |
| 14:34.36 | Cide | that's... over 100 |
| 14:38.30 | Kaso | apparently every boss we've ever killed was just a setback |
| 14:38.53 | Ackis | RETCON |
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| 14:43.31 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 14:43.38 | Fisker | on a horse in a plane |
| 14:43.42 | Kraps | someone on mmoc mentioned this and i remember Metzen talking about it so i slapped this together http://www.box.net/shared/vv3tkxudyq |
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| 14:44.38 | Fisker | nice Kraps |
| 14:46.00 | industrial | ~Kraps++ |
| 14:46.29 | Kaso | what's he say about it? |
| 14:49.04 | Kraps | something about the goblins making a huge horde symbol in Aszhara, but i thought it would be something like a crop circle, not the WHOLE FREAKING ZONE |
| 14:56.22 | Thunder_Child | somehow i doubt the pleasure palace is going to be all that pleasureable |
| 14:56.46 | zenzelezz | <Kraps> "...Ony 3.0. And we have to kill her with Nefarian. On a boat. In the mountains. FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" <--- boat in the mountains... that just sounds like when the servers go haywire and you end up in Alterac on the boat |
| 14:58.08 | DWSR | That's how you get to them, actually. |
| 14:58.14 | DWSR | That's the boat, /in/ the mountains. |
| 15:00.53 | airtonix | lucifers hammmer : http://books.google.com.au/books?id=chCYkIjSsO0C&dq |
| 15:01.04 | airtonix | los of boats in places they shouldn't normally be. |
| 15:01.06 | airtonix | lots* |
| 15:01.22 | airtonix | generally happens when earth moves up and down |
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| 15:02.58 | airtonix | those two also wrote another awesome cataclysmic novel called footfall. |
| 15:03.06 | airtonix | http://books.google.com.au/books?id=QQ0gAQAAIAAJ |
| 15:03.31 | A-KO | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/catazones/tirisfal_17.jpg < damn |
| 15:06.15 | airtonix | zenzelezz, was it you who i was talking to about peter hamilton few days ago ? |
| 15:06.32 | zenzelezz | airtonix: aye |
| 15:07.16 | airtonix | the first chapter of lucifiers hammer just describes the process of a asteroid hitting the pacific ocean. |
| 15:07.58 | zenzelezz | hm, that sounds interesting |
| 15:08.22 | airtonix | i think larry niven and jerry pournelle created the ring worl novels (isnt that what the halo universe is based on ? ) |
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| 15:09.34 | zenzelezz | can't answer that, I'm not familiar with those people or those games |
| 15:09.52 | airtonix | zenzelezz, yeah if you;ve seen that move "The Postman", then if you read lucifers hammer you'll recognise one of the characters in there is excatly like the main character in the movie |
| 15:10.19 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 15:10.36 | airtonix | i suspect that the movie used the book to create that character |
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| 15:11.27 | zenzelezz | nonsense, movies never use anything for inspiration! ;) |
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| 15:12.02 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: goblins + pleasure = ........DOES NOT COMPUTE |
| 15:12.16 | airtonix | zenzelezz, they do a good job of it :) |
| 15:12.36 | Lopeppeppy | I am their inspiration. |
| 15:12.56 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.19 | airtonix | think my coffee needs more sugar |
| 15:13.59 | Kraps | http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/all/masteries/ |
| 15:21.54 | cog|work | RAWR |
| 15:23.27 | Thunder_Child | morning cog |
| 15:23.40 | cog|work | morning |
| 15:23.51 | cog|work | caffeinates |
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| 15:26.09 | Kraps | i need to farm gold on my main so i can afford 310% flying |
| 15:27.10 | Thunder_Child | how much could it be? |
| 15:27.11 | olafski | any word yet on whether you can get that even if you don't have a 310% mount? |
| 15:27.14 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 15:27.16 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 15:27.18 | Fisker | did you know that? |
| 15:27.28 | cog|work | i hate you too! </3 |
| 15:27.28 | Thunder_Child | olafski: you can afaik |
| 15:27.32 | olafski | bah :P |
| 15:27.50 | Kraps | olafski: i'm pretty sure it will be purchasable |
| 15:27.53 | olafski | so I did that childrens week shit for nothing |
| 15:28.08 | Bruners | olafski: pixels |
| 15:28.13 | olafski | oh well, +1 mount.. quite a lot of work for one mount but still |
| 15:28.25 | Kraps | olafski: if you have a 310% already, you wont have to pay |
| 15:28.30 | olafski | hmkay |
| 15:28.53 | Gnarfoz | <Kraps> srsly what is this http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/78619/ <-- they can't even spell Nefarian right themselves |
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| 15:29.20 | Thunder_Child | why are the enchants heartsong and hurricane the same? |
| 15:29.41 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: 5k g was alot for me |
| 15:29.54 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: i assume it will be more now |
| 15:30.07 | Kraps | thats what i'm sayin |
| 15:31.02 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: do you do the pvp dailys? |
| 15:31.24 | Kraps | in grizzly hills? |
| 15:31.32 | Thunder_Child | BG's |
| 15:31.43 | Thunder_Child | daily i should have said |
| 15:31.57 | Kraps | not on my main, why? |
| 15:32.12 | Thunder_Child | because thats 100+g every 2 days or so |
| 15:32.19 | Thunder_Child | 10K honor for an uncut gem |
| 15:32.27 | Thunder_Child | epic quality |
| 15:32.42 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, 'cause it's an alpha. :) |
| 15:32.59 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta: beta actually |
| 15:33.07 | Thunder_Child | but still i 'grr' at it |
| 15:33.20 | ZorbaBeta | the friends and famila alpha is a beta? |
| 15:33.23 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, it could be for different types of weapons |
| 15:33.32 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta: indeed |
| 15:33.58 | Thunder_Child | Wobin: not according to the tool-tip |
| 15:34.04 | Wobin | Thunder_Child, eh, different reagents too |
| 15:34.07 | Wobin | who knows =) |
| 15:34.10 | ZorbaBeta | I am not entirely convinced that I agree :P |
| 15:34.21 | Wobin | ZorbaAlpha! |
| 15:34.40 | ZorbaTHut | usually, this is what I use for alpha ;) |
| 15:34.41 | olafski | I still say it's an alpha too :P |
| 15:35.28 | cog|work | Fisker: you were such a cute baby http://bit.ly/ZESSw |
| 15:35.47 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta: if it acts like that or not i dont know but thats what it's called. |
| 15:35.54 | Kraps | wait what http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/13200617234/nda-status/ |
| 15:36.28 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, where's it listed as a beta? |
| 15:36.36 | Thunder_Child | "This Dreamcloth recipe can only be created once a week." |
| 15:36.38 | Thunder_Child | ouch |
| 15:36.49 | A-KO | lol |
| 15:36.54 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, but you get like seven separate recipes :D |
| 15:37.04 | ZorbaTHut | you still get ~1/day, it's just . . . more complicated |
| 15:37.11 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut: cant say, i havent read the nda yet |
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| 15:37.22 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, then I am not convinced that it is, in fact, a beta. :) |
| 15:37.37 | Wobin | heh Shadowy Apparition will be cool looking |
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| 15:39.59 | Kaso | I dont know why they bother with ndas anymore, the dataminers have gotten so good |
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| 15:40.47 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:41.09 | cog|work | ohai |
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| 15:41.16 | ZorbaTHut | curious, I wonder if they're dropping the crystalline/eternal distinction in cataclysm |
| 15:41.24 | Fisker | it's beta Wobin |
| 15:41.24 | ZorbaTHut | just noticed the dreamcloth recipes require 30 of something |
| 15:41.30 | ZorbaTHut | 30 of the elementals, that is |
| 15:41.50 | Odlaw | hope they stack to 100 then. |
| 15:43.26 | Wobin | http://www.fukung.net/v/6807/121090.gif |
| 15:43.29 | Wobin | taking the dog for a drag |
| 15:44.38 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk, http://www.fukung.net/v/9890/cc9403e5fb58465c59b0ff0ca21722a3.jpg |
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| 15:44.56 | foxlit | wait, a fukung link. I thought I blocked those. |
| 15:48.05 | Fisker | oh but you didn't foxlit |
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| 16:02.53 | DWSR | http://www.wowwiki.com/Captain_Arnath <-- What's his death emote a reference to? |
| 16:03.54 | DWSR | Just his dailies? |
| 16:04.01 | DWSR | Err, quests, whatever? |
| 16:04.46 | cog|work | zomg parallel cogoverse |
| 16:05.01 | cog|work | ~lart cog|away |
| 16:05.01 | purl | moos at cog|away |
| 16:05.24 | DWSR | ~lart cog|* |
| 16:05.24 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at cog|* |
| 16:05.28 | Wobin | DWSR, maybe in reference to what they did |
| 16:05.39 | Wobin | ie collecting reagents for Finklestein |
| 16:06.29 | Wobin | DWSR, remember that alchemist daily in ZD? |
| 16:06.34 | DWSR | yeah |
| 16:08.28 | mikma | http://www.aw-energy.com/ |
| 16:10.56 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: thats pretty neat |
| 16:15.22 | mikma | just saw the ad of the waveroller and got interested |
| 16:19.50 | MatthewWW | http://pastey.net/136214 Any thoughts on why this repeats infinitely? |
| 16:22.03 | cncfanatics | I have a question |
| 16:22.21 | cncfanatics | With all the info available to us now, its technicly possible to show marked people on the minimap isn't it ? |
| 16:23.28 | NightHawkTheSane | cncfanatics: possibly |
| 16:23.41 | cncfanatics | Is there any addon that does this ? |
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| 16:28.42 | Fisker | i hate haste |
| 16:29.01 | Fisker | make one cncfanatics ! |
| 16:29.01 | MatthewWW | Just seems to happen in an endless loop, no idea why. |
| 16:29.13 | Lunessa | cog|away: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/in-deep-water/ |
| 16:29.50 | Lunessa | cncfanatics: I haven |
| 16:29.59 | Lunessa | I haven't seen on since 2.0 that did that. |
| 16:32.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont know of one that does, but you could probably cobble something together using the various rangefinding methods as well as some trig.. |
| 16:33.04 | NightHawkTheSane | similar to how someone (ZorbaTHut?) put together an addon to track your target on the minimap. |
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| 16:43.08 | foxlit | MatthewWW: Your for loops are definitely finite |
| 16:43.17 | foxlit | (m == "Bows" or "Guns" or "Thrown" or "Crossbows") is always true, though |
| 16:43.49 | foxlit | since it's actually ((m == "Bows") or "Guns" or "Thrown" or "Crossbows"); i.e. "Guns" most of the time. |
| 16:45.50 | Dezzi | do any of you play on linux/wine by chance? Do I need to install it using wine or can I just copy my windows install over |
| 16:45.59 | MatthewWW | foxlit: not exactly sure how to fix it based on that |
| 16:46.20 | MatthewWW | i can change it to if(m=="Bows" or m=="Guns" or ...) |
| 16:46.21 | foxlit | To begin with, fix your if condition |
| 16:46.38 | foxlit | Then see where the actual infinite loop is, if there is one. |
| 16:47.52 | Lunessa | My loops, infinite are they, yes. |
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| 16:49.11 | MatthewWW | hmm |
| 16:49.23 | MatthewWW | foxlit: I fixed that, and now I get an infinitely occurring lua error |
| 16:49.31 | MatthewWW | Telling me that I have improperly used GetItemInfo |
| 16:50.15 | MatthewWW | got the fix for that... its because it's nil |
| 16:50.23 | MatthewWW | meaning I have to put 'if link then' above it |
| 16:52.48 | foxlit | keep in mind that your break only gets you out of the inner four loop |
| 16:53.05 | foxlit | So if you have four bags, with a ranged weapon in each, your counter will be incremented four times per run of that code. |
| 16:53.24 | Cide | I hate you vc++. |
| 16:53.39 | MatthewWW | That's fine |
| 16:53.43 | MatthewWW | considering how wildly unlikely it is |
| 16:53.45 | Lunessa | Cide: Blame Microsoft. |
| 16:53.53 | Cide | I am |
| 16:53.57 | Cide | I hate you Micro$hit |
| 16:54.09 | MatthewWW | How do I clear saved variables for a toon? |
| 16:54.21 | Cide | you delete the appropriate file/folder |
| 16:54.52 | Cide | Lunessa: at least it's nice enough to backup my stuff before it crashes |
| 16:54.59 | ZorbaTHut | cncfanatics, definitely possible, within margins of error, yes. I don't know anyone who's done it. |
| 16:55.14 | ZorbaTHut | note that "getting it right" is difficult and it's somewhat CPU-expensive. |
| 16:55.30 | Lunessa | Cide: It beats the old Borland IDE. But yeah, clunky is the best descriptive I have for it. |
| 16:55.44 | Cide | I like it in general tbh |
| 16:55.56 | Cide | but this pre-release version keeps crashing on me |
| 16:56.14 | Cide | (I was kidding about the micro$hit, ZorbaTHut -- you work on vc++ right?) |
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| 16:56.45 | Cide | or was that someone else? |
| 16:57.13 | ZorbaTHut | someone else |
| 16:57.17 | ZorbaTHut | I been self-employed for years now :) |
| 16:57.19 | foxlit | Should really remove GetPlayerMapPosition. |
| 16:57.21 | Cide | hmm |
| 16:57.29 | Cide | who was it that worked on vc++ at microsoft then? |
| 16:58.02 | Cide | maybe PProvost? |
| 16:58.15 | foxlit | Put player blips into the quest blobs architecture instead; that'd kill a lot of addons, but none of the default UI functionality |
| 16:58.15 | Cide | can't remember |
| 16:58.16 | Cide | oh well |
| 16:58.50 | ZorbaTHut | personally I wish they'd open up the quest blob architecture |
| 16:59.00 | ZorbaTHut | I don't see why they have that stuff locked down so much, besides "lol lazy" |
| 16:59.53 | Lopeppeppy | You not take candle |
| 17:08.13 | Kraps | in the fucking sky http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/catazones/skywall_05.jpg |
| 17:08.51 | Kraps | last screenshot for me |
| 17:10.04 | Kraps | so boub isnt in the alpha? how does he not get body-slammed by blizzard? |
| 17:10.18 | A-KO | so far the only thing that's posted is stuff from the alpha client leak |
| 17:10.24 | A-KO | there aren't any NPCs in any of those screenshots |
| 17:10.58 | Lunessa | mmmm... hot and sour soup |
| 17:11.18 | A-KO | so I guess we're not getting Panderans :P |
| 17:11.19 | Kraps | but isnt a leak problematic too? |
| 17:11.36 | DWSR | Leaks happen. |
| 17:11.42 | DWSR | Not much you can do to stop them |
| 17:11.48 | Fisker | leeks happen |
| 17:11.54 | DWSR | And yes, take that as an innuendo. |
| 17:12.01 | Fisker | Doesn't matter if he's in the alpha or not Kraps |
| 17:12.29 | A-KO | Essentially it boils down to this: The leak hapened, and to prevent some site that's not in the alpha to start posting all sorts of crap and stealing hits, he posted the stuff first :P |
| 17:13.05 | DWSR | Blizz knows that if it's not MMOC, it'll be some other site. |
| 17:13.10 | A-KO | yeah |
| 17:13.17 | DWSR | MMOC will be responsible with the knowledge, at least. |
| 17:14.24 | A-KO | I'm actually surprised |
| 17:14.32 | A-KO | I don't necessarily think they're doing a great job architecturally |
| 17:15.01 | A-KO | Maybe I'm being nitpicky here, but look at Undercity--then look at Brill. Brill gets this massive ass update, and you're telling me the forsaken wouldn't tear apart and change the upper half of Lordaeron before moving on to Brill? |
| 17:15.17 | Kraps | neither mmoc nor wow.com are official fansites, does that have something to do with the leniency? |
| 17:16.20 | Lopeppeppy | could be. Official sort of implies that you follow rules and stuff. |
| 17:17.29 | A-KO | Andorhal certainly looks interesting |
| 17:17.29 | Fisker | Blizzard should just have stopped with the F&F's |
| 17:17.32 | Fisker | like they did with SC2 |
| 17:17.36 | A-KO | I think they have |
| 17:17.40 | Fisker | they haven't |
| 17:17.40 | A-KO | just an fyi :P |
| 17:18.09 | Fisker | it's what they just launched a few days ago |
| 17:18.40 | A-KO | well the thing about F&F Alpha is that it means they don't have to provide TONS of support but can get started on some early testing |
| 17:18.55 | A-KO | with beta it means they're going to open up huge forums, opening the flood gates |
| 17:19.42 | Fisker | but instead they get leaks :P |
| 17:19.45 | A-KO | there's nothing wrong with an alpha release schedule tbh, and it's a good thing when you're pushing for time. |
| 17:19.51 | A-KO | eh there's nothing wrong with leaks |
| 17:20.01 | A-KO | Let's put it this way--they knwo it's going to get out there regardless. |
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| 17:20.32 | A-KO | This allows them to start their test cycle before they're done working on the content |
| 17:21.12 | A-KO | TBH, I'm actually kind of impressed with Blizzard's development cycle from what I can view on it from the outside, I mean, it seems they push hard but they have some clearly defined points of "this will make it" "this won't". Anything that's out there isn't "half-finished" |
| 17:21.18 | A-KO | if it's not going to be done, they just hold off on it |
| 17:21.37 | A-KO | my company could take a few pages from their playbook for release cycles :P |
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| 17:25.08 | Kraps | A-KO: what, you want your company to go several years between major updates? :p |
| 17:25.53 | A-KO | Kraps: at least they'd get something out the door :P |
| 17:26.17 | A-KO | my company's burned through tons of cash on about 3 different projects over the past few years and not one of them made it out the door |
| 17:26.30 | A-KO | now they're working hard to push this stuff we're working on out the door that "doing it right" isn't even on the table |
| 17:27.43 | cog|work | DWSR: what's the putty variant you use called? (or am i thinking of a different D*?) |
| 17:28.11 | DWSR | puttytray |
| 17:28.42 | cog|work | danke |
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| 17:34.56 | Fisker | cog|away |
| 17:35.03 | ZorbaTHut | a-ko, I think you could make some rather interesting cultural statements with the Forsaken |
| 17:35.21 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know if this is where they're going with it, but I'd be tempted to push heavily towards them feeling alienated |
| 17:35.44 | ZorbaTHut | they don't rebuild Lordaeron because fundamentally, whether they admit it or not, they don't feel like Lordaeron is theirs - they're just squatting and really they want a place to call home |
| 17:35.57 | NightHawkTheSane | l |
| 17:36.04 | NightHawkTheSane | woops, wrong window. |
| 17:36.06 | ZorbaTHut | but they don't have one - they have their little ragtag band of misfits that nobody really likes. |
| 17:36.18 | ZorbaTHut | (or, at least, that they *think* nobody really likes, whether that's accurate or not.) |
| 17:37.59 | Lunessa | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/may/cataclysm_worldmaps/jpeg/thousandneedles.jpg - even more Freudian than before. |
| 17:38.32 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE more freudian thatn before! |
| 17:39.02 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: As long as it gets me women showing me their slips. :) |
| 17:40.08 | A-KO | sighs |
| 17:40.46 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: It's hard not to sympathize with the Forsaken. Putridis is sort of a tragically awesome figure. |
| 17:41.14 | foxlit | Putriwhathisname. |
| 17:41.41 | Lunessa | "Did you think we had forgotten? Did you think we had forgiven?" |
| 17:41.52 | ZorbaTHut | Putress? |
| 17:41.55 | Lunessa | "Now all can see, this is the hour of the Forsaken!" |
| 17:42.16 | Lunessa | And yet, I play Alliance. |
| 17:42.51 | foxlit | And yet you're mixing his name up with Putricide :) |
| 17:43.05 | ZorbaTHut | there's really two enormous themes that run through a *lot* of the WoW lore - well-meaning people that are accidentally screwing things over badly for the sake of honor, and a general theme of Power Corrupts |
| 17:43.24 | ZorbaTHut | combine the two and you have, well, pretty much every major WoW lore character ever invented. |
| 17:43.35 | foxlit | Fordring? |
| 17:43.59 | Lunessa | No, Fordring is the guy who gets it right. |
| 17:44.11 | ZorbaTHut | Every once in a while someone gets it right :D |
| 17:44.18 | Lunessa | The ONE guy who gets it right |
| 17:44.34 | foxlit | Thrall. |
| 17:44.35 | ZorbaTHut | but I mean, Arthas, Illidan, Putress, damn near every single faction leader on both sides |
| 17:44.41 | foxlit | Jaina. |
| 17:44.43 | foxlit | Krasus. |
| 17:44.48 | ZorbaTHut | Thrall's the only major one who actually fails to fuck things up through honor |
| 17:44.52 | ZorbaTHut | and so what does Blizzard do? |
| 17:44.55 | ZorbaTHut | they *take away his leadership* |
| 17:44.56 | Lunessa | Ok, Thrall too. But Thrall fails to keep his closest advisors from wanting to destroy him. |
| 17:45.09 | ZorbaTHut | can't have a leader who's actually competent now, can we |
| 17:45.40 | zenzelezz | ZorbaTHut: Blizzard felt that Americans couldn't relate to that |
| 17:46.15 | foxlit | Every single night-elf save Staghelm. |
| 17:46.18 | ZorbaTHut | I mean in a lot of ways, the reason the faction leaders are all so blinded by honor is that anyone who *isn't* ends up not in the factions |
| 17:46.29 | ZorbaTHut | Jaina's only really technically Alliance |
| 17:46.57 | Lopeppeppy | She's a skeevy one. |
| 17:46.58 | foxlit | Point is, there are plenty of pure "good" characters that aren't subject to either theme. |
| 17:47.07 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, but they don't tend to take the spotlight |
| 17:47.16 | foxlit | Sure, because you can't bloody kill them. |
| 17:47.21 | ZorbaTHut | Blizzard doesn't go into them in great detail. when was the last time we had a plotline that was actually *about Jaina*? |
| 17:47.37 | ZorbaTHut | we don't need to, 'cause she's not a tragic figure, because she doesn't buy into, like, the two WoW plotlines. |
| 17:47.53 | foxlit | And yet she's omnipresent. |
| 17:47.59 | ZorbaTHut | namely "oh woe is me I need to defend my honor by killing my brother with this bitchingly powerful battleaxe I found that might be infested by demos". |
| 17:48.01 | ZorbaTHut | *demons. |
| 17:48.22 | ZorbaTHut | yeah she's basically the mary sue of the WoW world |
| 17:48.46 | ZorbaTHut | need an uberpowerful character to come in and unfuck things? just get Jaina! afterwards she'll retreat to Theramore for another few months |
| 17:49.08 | zenzelezz | questing through Teldrasssil, Darkshore and Ashenvale, I found that scouts are the night-elf red-shirts |
| 17:49.26 | zenzelezz | the places are littered with "I sent someone to check on X but he/she hasn't reported back. Go check" |
| 17:49.45 | zenzelezz | makes me wonder how the elves survived for so long |
| 17:52.48 | Lopeppeppy | I think "scouting" is their word for "political assassination" |
| 17:53.10 | zenzelezz | no, they were all just looking at demons and stuff in the woods |
| 17:56.34 | Lopeppeppy | Demons. *laugh* |
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| 17:59.13 | Lunessa | Demons in WoW are either hugely goddamned scary or they're no worse that fleas. |
| 17:59.25 | Lunessa | s /that/than |
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| 18:00.35 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 18:01.28 | zenzelezz | "Manach sheek-thrish!" |
| 18:02.46 | zenzelezz | strictly speaking I guess he may not be a demon |
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| 18:03.54 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Jaina's also a whiny bitch. |
| 18:04.13 | DWSR | I would loathe Blizzard if I needed to hear more of what I hear in H HoR or after killing DBS. |
| 18:04.36 | zenzelezz | DBS? |
| 18:04.37 | Lunessa | She also needs to pick a man and quit skanking it up. |
| 18:04.41 | DWSR | Deathbringer Saurfang. |
| 18:05.10 | foxlit | Meh, Jaina has like one line in ICC. |
| 18:05.35 | DWSR | Yeah, and it couldn't have been worse. |
| 18:05.39 | DWSR | Even if it was delivered in monotone. |
| 18:05.43 | DWSR | By a man trying to play a woman. |
| 18:05.54 | DWSR | In fact, those would be improvements. |
| 18:05.58 | Kraps | DWSR: "zomg i have to save arthus!!111" no you dont, hes a mass-murdering fucktard so stfu |
| 18:06.06 | DWSR | ^ |
| 18:07.22 | zenzelezz | Kraps: yes, but she could change him! |
| 18:07.38 | Kraps | surrrrrre |
| 18:07.44 | zenzelezz | their love is pure, it transcends genocide |
| 18:07.46 | DWSR | No. |
| 18:07.51 | DWSR | Ner'zul is clearly gay. |
| 18:08.01 | Kraps | lolwut |
| 18:08.04 | DWSR | Meaning that Arthas is bi at best. |
| 18:08.15 | DWSR | So obviously, she clearly /can't/. |
| 18:08.24 | NightHawkTheSane | rages and murders all things windows mobile |
| 18:10.46 | olafski | will starcraft 2 be subscription based? |
| 18:10.50 | foxlit | no |
| 18:10.53 | olafski | hmkay |
| 18:10.54 | foxlit | * except in some regions |
| 18:10.57 | olafski | thought I heard something like that :o |
| 18:11.17 | foxlit | You may have heard that they're offering something subscription-like in Russia. |
| 18:11.32 | foxlit | Where the initial box covers only a finite amount of battle.net time. |
| 18:11.46 | olafski | hmm |
| 18:11.52 | olafski | but it's cheaper than in other countries I assume? |
| 18:12.09 | foxlit | presumably |
| 18:12.13 | olafski | I wonder if there are going to be hourly-based subscriptions for games |
| 18:12.30 | foxlit | They can then choose between upgrading to the EUmodel, or paying money periodically. |
| 18:12.35 | olafski | or are there already? I mean if you like a game but don't play a lot that might be cheaper |
| 18:13.02 | olafski | heh everything on battle.net loads fast (for a change) except the cancel subscription page :P |
| 18:13.43 | zenzelezz | I'M IN UR BASE; KILLI |
| 18:13.47 | zenzelezz | Disconnected: Out of game time |
| 18:14.10 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702401712&sid=1 |
| 18:15.49 | olafski | zenzelezz: =) |
| 18:17.56 | foxlit | "Scribd Abandoning Flash for HTML5" |
| 18:19.29 | foxlit | I'd be happy if they abandoned their website in favour of just serving the PDFs. |
| 18:21.05 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: the iron protodrakes are quit active on the forums today, what about you? ;p |
| 18:21.14 | Kraps | quite* |
| 18:23.06 | airtonix | foxlit, i'd be happy if people stop putting up text files in pdfs on web pages and just put the damn text ON THE FUCKING WEBPAGE |
| 18:23.25 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.35 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, I'm at work, I really can't be on the forums at work. |
| 18:25.03 | Kraps | pfft |
| 18:26.35 | Lopeppeppy | They're still lookjng for reasons to fire peoples! |
| 18:27.56 | zenzelezz | "MMORPG Ryzom Released Under AGPL" - interesting |
| 18:29.18 | Kraps | "In keeping with our effort to grow and support our global gaming community, weâre happy to announce that Blizzard.com is now available in the Polish language!" |
| 18:29.48 | airtonix | zenzelezz, this is the one with the user created content ? |
| 18:29.51 | Kraps | http://www.wow-europe.com/cataclysm/features/origination.html;jsessionid=426217AC3BE3389DF9B60C254229A510.blade02_04 |
| 18:30.19 | zenzelezz | airtonix: I don't think so. I'm not very familiar with Ryzom |
| 18:30.48 | zenzelezz | will the cataclysm affect Northrend at all? |
| 18:31.51 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: oh shi- *hijacks session* |
| 18:32.14 | airtonix | zenzelezz, yep it is : http://www.ryzom.com/en/features.htm >> ryzom ring (r2) |
| 18:32.27 | zenzelezz | airtonix: ah, I see. Cheers |
| 18:32.31 | airtonix | http://www.ryzom.com/en/ryzom_ring.html |
| 18:32.50 | airtonix | awesome potential for RP guilds |
| 18:35.18 | Kraps | http://www.worldoflordcraft.com/ is still up? |
| 18:36.05 | airtonix | zenzelezz, also : the opensource release of ryzom does not include the world data... so you have to create that yourself. |
| 18:36.25 | airtonix | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 18:36.54 | airtonix | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.worldoflordcraft.com/ |
| 18:37.00 | airtonix | just you kraps |
| 18:37.59 | Kraps | it was a rhetorical question |
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| 18:47.48 | Shirik | ew |
| 18:47.50 | Shirik | google changed their site |
| 18:48.07 | Shirik | I don't like it |
| 18:48.41 | Fisker | eww i don't like Shirik |
| 18:48.45 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:48.56 | Fisker | it looks like bing i think |
| 18:49.05 | Fisker | yeah kinda |
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| 18:56.52 | Kraps | http://www.marketwatch.com/ |
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| 19:05.00 | Fisker | bad Shirik |
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| 19:10.23 | Cide | Shirik: I kinda like it |
| 19:10.25 | Cairenn | WobWork: ? |
| 19:10.40 | Kraps | "We feel sorry for what you say. However, you may know that World of Lordcraft is just an immature game which needs tons of afford for making it better. We are doing our best and we appreciate the bug you report and the suggestion you offered. Sorry for any inconvenience caused." |
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| 19:17.07 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: afford? sure |
| 19:17.28 | Kraps | i need some afford myself |
| 19:20.49 | Fisker | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pi7v1GNQa_s/S-LGo_4RcFI/AAAAAAAAAEI/nV5cokeyBQ8/s1600/professions.jpg <-i came |
| 19:21.28 | Kraps | TMI? |
| 19:21.54 | Fisker | "oh a piece of candy"? |
| 19:24.43 | Kraps | grats to the UI team |
| 19:25.45 | foxlit | Kind of dislike the direction the UI is going in |
| 19:26.13 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/i_must_have_it_the_twohanded_g.php |
| 19:26.52 | foxlit | They're making all sorts of unnecessary large windows that will no doubt block many other windows from appearing at the same time. |
| 19:27.17 | Fisker | can be fixed |
| 19:27.38 | kd3 | but of course. what's the point if the ui designers don't get to show off their work by throwing up modal windows? |
| 19:27.59 | MatthewWW | is this proper syntax? hooksecurefunc("DeclineGroup",declinePartyHandler) |
| 19:28.02 | foxlit | It's already hell when you're trying to do the gourmet achievements. |
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| 19:29.20 | Kraps | "What's worse is that demons had awakened the undead and signed a pact with nagas, which greatly enlarged the evil force." |
| 19:29.29 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.21 | zenzelezz | this is why you shouldn't teach demons to write |
| 19:31.39 | frontendloader | huh anyone diddled around with mounting their WTF folder from a windows PC to a linux PC and playing in WINE? |
| 19:34.58 | Kraps | In world of lordcraft, players can either create an invincible military empire . |
| 19:35.23 | zenzelezz | Kraps: what is this? |
| 19:35.35 | Kraps | oh dude |
| 19:36.03 | Kraps | best game of 2010 http://www.worldoflordcraft.com/Default.aspx |
| 19:36.13 | Kraps | the say so themselves |
| 19:37.43 | olafski | must be true |
| 19:38.13 | Kraps | they said it back in january too |
| 19:38.40 | zenzelezz | http://www.worldoflordcraft.com/_upload/photos/0dae7ce2-877c-41ac-b55c-7cdb248f081f.jpg |
| 19:38.49 | zenzelezz | good thing they don't borrow looks from anywhere |
| 19:39.18 | A-KO | haha zenzelezz |
| 19:39.23 | Kraps | borrow? pfft http://www.worldoflordcraft.com/games/02.htm |
| 19:39.34 | Kraps | nothing borrowed here |
| 19:40.01 | zenzelezz | hm, a guild called "Raise of Valhalla"... >.< |
| 19:40.16 | zenzelezz | sounds like a hell of a raise |
| 19:41.34 | Kraps | where do they get money from? |
| 19:42.06 | olafski | who made world of lordcraft again? |
| 19:42.13 | olafski | wasn't it quite a big company? like.. EA? |
| 19:42.29 | Kraps | lol? |
| 19:42.33 | olafski | the MMO report had something about it last week or the week before |
| 19:42.36 | foxlit | grrr |
| 19:42.56 | foxlit | The windows SDK sample I'm looking at appears to fail silently :( |
| 19:43.41 | foxlit | Kraps: borrow? pfft http://www.worldoflordcraft.com/games/02.htm << Yay for random zone numbering |
| 19:45.38 | olafski | kraps: my mistake.. I must have remembered this EA stuff wrong, can't find anything about it |
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| 19:54.27 | Kraps | olafski: apparently the Evony guys are behind it |
| 19:55.04 | frontendloader | play now, my lord |
| 19:55.34 | olafski | no bullies! |
| 19:56.29 | zenzelezz | Kraps: that's impossible, there's no trace of boobs on the front page |
| 19:56.48 | Kraps | i know, disconcerting |
| 19:57.04 | olafski | wasn't there something with natalie portman? |
| 19:57.11 | olafski | though I can't find that anymore either :@ |
| 19:57.29 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100506.html |
| 19:57.42 | olafski | I was sure I saw something on gizmodo (I think) about how a drawing of natalie portman was on the WOL site and something about her not knowing about it |
| 20:00.14 | zenzelezz | god damnit Steam, why can't you either let me open game info in a new tab, or at least remember where I was in the game list on the store page... |
| 20:02.26 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:02.29 | Shirik | I just got an email from my school |
| 20:03.05 | Shirik | The following was issued by the National Weather Service in Melbourne. Please consult weather forecasts as you plan your afternoon activities. THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MELBOURNE HAS ISSUED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING ... UNTIL 315 PM EDT |
| 20:03.10 | Shirik | Received at 4:03 |
| 20:03.15 | Shirik | thank you for the very timely warning |
| 20:05.15 | Kraps | Shirik: te tubes were clogged! |
| 20:06.57 | Kraps | olafski: http://www.evonygamers.com/images/Evony4.jpg ? |
| 20:07.06 | Gnarfoz | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/i_must_have_it_the_twohanded_g.php |
| 20:08.15 | olafski | no that's not it |
| 20:09.21 | olafski | ffs why do these things just appear in my head |
| 20:09.45 | airtonix | neural nanonics |
| 20:09.50 | airtonix | dont install them |
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| 20:10.55 | airtonix | http://nightsdawn.wikia.com/wiki/Neural_nanonics |
| 20:11.03 | Shadowed | ~framexml |
| 20:11.04 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 20:12.25 | airtonix | olafski, or maybe you took too much lsd as a child ? |
| 20:12.36 | olafski | yeah |
| 20:12.39 | olafski | I just thought of something else |
| 20:12.45 | olafski | I have been remembering my dreams much better than usual lately |
| 20:12.58 | olafski | probably just that :P |
| 20:13.19 | airtonix | i noticed that when i stopped smoking large quantities of weed |
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| 20:13.42 | airtonix | after a few weeks of not smoking, i started dreaming again |
| 20:13.58 | airtonix | short term memory was like "OH HAI!" |
| 20:14.07 | olafski | I never used drugs though |
| 20:14.14 | airtonix | as far as you know |
| 20:14.19 | olafski | LOL |
| 20:14.21 | airtonix | lsd is odourless and tasteless |
| 20:14.29 | olafski | oh that's what you mean |
| 20:14.31 | olafski | now it's less funny :( |
| 20:14.37 | airtonix | i know right? |
| 20:14.40 | olafski | I just usually forget dreams the second I wake up, but last week I remembered one quite vividly |
| 20:14.51 | olafski | I thought you were going at some kind of "sure you just don't remember you did it" |
| 20:15.21 | airtonix | its not paranoia when you know they're out to get you |
| 20:15.43 | olafski | exactly |
| 20:15.49 | olafski | but ffs I'm sure i saw this somewhere :P |
| 20:20.10 | alestane | Humor in a classic style: http://www.youtube.com/user/MuppetsStudio#p/u/2/zCRUPWDIgYM |
| 20:27.04 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut: now i dont know wihch type it is, the email says one name and battle.net says another |
| 20:32.28 | Lunessa | Grumpy Lunessa/Unkle owes alestane a beer: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702031671&sid=1 |
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| 20:33.35 | alestane | That's basically the ShiftFocus files. |
| 20:35.16 | alestane | Only the guy's an asshat. |
| 20:35.22 | Thunder_Child | actually Lunessa, he called your idea fail, not you |
| 20:35.35 | Lunessa | alestane: Which is why I owe you a beer. |
| 20:35.44 | Kraps | " And with this, I'm done helping you." OH SNAP |
| 20:35.52 | alestane | Cool...how do I collect? |
| 20:36.10 | Thunder_Child | blizzcon |
| 20:36.43 | Lunessa | alestane: BlizzCon or snail mail me an address. |
| 20:38.48 | Lunessa | Or get me your snail mail address. And prefered type. |
| 20:41.48 | Thunder_Child | blond, 25, etc. |
| 20:42.15 | alestane | Anyone have an idea why data pointers are auto-cast to void* in C++, but function pointers have to be explicitly cast? |
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| 20:42.46 | alestane | I sort of wonder what my wife would do if someone asked her to sign for that package, Thunder_Child. |
| 20:42.57 | Thunder_Child | 'package'? |
| 20:43.09 | Fisker | 3i require sleep |
| 20:43.37 | Thunder_Child | alestane: if you're lucky, enjoy it |
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| 20:50.38 | Lunessa | alestane: I think she'd return it =, and I'd have to send her a thank you note? |
| 20:50.44 | Thunder_Child | tekkub: http://www.torani.com/products/bacon-syrup |
| 20:50.57 | Fisker | no! |
| 20:51.05 | alestane | Refused by Addressee. |
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| 20:56.54 | cbreak | alestane: what is the length of a data pointer? Of a function pointer? Are they always the same length? |
| 20:57.08 | alestane | As far as I know, they're both addresses. |
| 20:57.56 | cbreak | well, on x86_64, both are 64 bit wide I think |
| 20:58.07 | cbreak | but I read about architectures where they have different lengths |
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| 20:59.37 | cbreak | (non static) method pointers are probably bigger than normal pointers though? |
| 20:59.49 | alestane | ...no... |
| 21:00.37 | cbreak | you can't jump to an address if you have a method pointer, unless you sacrifice polymorphism. Maybe it does. |
| 21:00.42 | alestane | A method is just a function as far as the machine code is concerned. The compiler basically gives it an invisible extra argument. |
| 21:00.44 | nevcairiel | you always have to say what arch you speak of, so yeah, on 86_64 they are 64bit long, on x86 32 bit .. but pointers are pointers, there is no distinction |
| 21:01.40 | Fisker | i'm about to blow up alestane |
| 21:01.41 | Shirik | ^ what they said |
| 21:01.57 | Shirik | The only thing that's a bit strange is pointer-to-members which are generally offsets |
| 21:02.16 | Kraps | never too soon eh? http://www.miniclip.com/games/volcanic-airways/en/ |
| 21:02.20 | cbreak | even virtual methods? Maybe pointers into the vtable... hmm. |
| 21:02.30 | Shirik | be careful |
| 21:02.33 | Shirik | there's a difference |
| 21:02.42 | Shirik | Foo a; with method bar() |
| 21:02.51 | Shirik | &a.bar is VERY different from &Foo::bar |
| 21:02.55 | alestane | Virtual member functions do require a bit more processing. |
| 21:03.37 | foxlit | I can has patch notes? |
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| 21:03.39 | Shirik | &Foo::bar will end up being a pointer into the vtable |
| 21:03.41 | Shirik | &a.bar will not |
| 21:03.49 | Shirik | But &Foo::bar is not a method pointer |
| 21:04.42 | batrick | so fucking |
| 21:04.43 | batrick | gross |
| 21:04.53 | Shirik | ~stab batrick |
| 21:04.54 | purl | ACTION runs at batrick with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
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| 21:05.20 | Thunder_Child | with regards to the droid phone "DROID is a trademark of Lucasfilm Ltd. and its related companies. Used under license." |
| 21:05.36 | Fisker | you Thunder_Child |
| 21:08.04 | Thunder_Child | me Fisker? |
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| 21:20.08 | Thunder_Child | ok, thats just cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCgQDjiotG0&feature=player_embedded |
| 21:25.07 | Arrowmaster | bungie has some epic stats on their website for reach |
| 21:25.31 | Arrowmaster | including K/D ratio per people |
| 21:25.37 | Arrowmaster | per weapon |
| 21:26.11 | Arrowmaster | apparently im 93/20 with the shotgun so a +73 K/D spread |
| 21:27.06 | Arrowmaster | worst weapon, the fucking assult rifle |
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| 21:28.31 | haste | Thunder_Child: fancyy |
| 21:32.58 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: That's awesome. |
| 21:34.28 | DWSR | That's fucking awesome. |
| 21:34.46 | Torhal | headdesks repeatedly. |
| 21:35.08 | Torhal | Why do people ask questions when they are already convinced that they know the correct answer? |
| 21:35.11 | Torhal | Argh. |
| 21:36.17 | DWSR | Torhal: Because people are stupid. |
| 21:36.19 | DWSR | Very. very. stupid. |
| 21:36.22 | airtonix | lol |
| 21:37.00 | Torhal | DWSR: It was a rhetorical question. I know people are stupid - I'm quite familiar with tech-support fetal-position. |
| 21:37.08 | Kalroth | <Torhal> Why do people ask questions when they are already convinced that they know the correct answer? <- Such an ironic question! |
| 21:37.17 | Torhal | Kalroth: :P |
| 21:37.17 | ScytheBlade1 | So today, it was about 55-60F |
| 21:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | And snowing. |
| 21:40.06 | foxlit | "I just looked into this and it seems that the Earthfury Epaulets no longer drop in game =X. " |
| 21:40.11 | foxlit | Oops. |
| 21:40.57 | cybermind | (cbreak) (non static) method pointers are probably bigger than normal pointers though? |
| 21:41.17 | cybermind | they can potentially be but dont have to be |
| 21:42.05 | cybermind | oh im thinking of the this ptr, nevermind |
| 21:42.31 | MatthewWW | Could someone take a look at this and tell me why it infinite loops? http://pastey.net/136223 |
| 21:42.59 | Shirik | uh |
| 21:43.05 | Shirik | there's no loops in there |
| 21:43.25 | Shirik | I don't know what JIT_Trigger does, but the code you have given us does not loop at all |
| 21:43.35 | foxlit | "infinite loop" has a really specific meaning |
| 21:43.44 | MatthewWW | Yes, my bad |
| 21:43.47 | foxlit | Unless your WoW client freezes entirely, you're not in an infinite loop. |
| 21:43.52 | MatthewWW | why it repeats the JIT_Trigger() indefinitely |
| 21:44.15 | MatthewWW | JIT_Trigger essentially just fires a sound file |
| 21:44.53 | Torhal | function declinePartyHandler() |
| 21:44.58 | MatthewWW | So what I mean to say is, why it fires the JIT_Trigger() command every 5 seconds, ceaselessly? |
| 21:45.17 | Torhal | Impossible to tell with the code you listed |
| 21:45.30 | Torhal | It tells us nothing about how declinePartyHandler(), for example, is being used. |
| 21:47.19 | MatthewWW | Sure it does: it's hooked to DeclineParty in the last line |
| 21:47.29 | airtonix | http://mrdoob.com/projects/chromeexperiments/ball_pool/ |
| 21:47.31 | MatthewWW | er DeclineGroup |
| 21:47.46 | cbreak | Did blizzard remove the northrend orphan quests? |
| 21:47.55 | Torhal | cbreak: iT'S BROKEN THIS YEAR |
| 21:47.57 | cybermind | bug...cant do them this year if you did them last year |
| 21:47.58 | Torhal | Damn caps |
| 21:48.04 | cbreak | hmm :/ |
| 21:48.05 | Torhal | Anywho: |
| 21:48.05 | cybermind | will not be fixed |
| 21:48.12 | cbreak | alright, so I have to wait a year for the achievement... |
| 21:48.17 | cybermind | yessir |
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| 21:48.22 | MatthewWW | =\ |
| 21:48.27 | cbreak | ah well... |
| 21:48.33 | Torhal | MatthewWW: JIT_Trigger() does what? |
| 21:48.34 | cybermind | MatthewWW: show JIT_Trigger |
| 21:48.34 | cbreak | wonder if I still play then :) |
| 21:48.38 | cybermind | at least for when the param is 39 |
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| 21:48.51 | MatthewWW | ok |
| 21:49.21 | MatthewWW | function JIT_Trigger(num) TutorialFrame:RegisterEvent("TUTORIAL_TRIGGER") TriggerTutorial(num) TutorialFrame:UnregisterEvent("TUTORIAL_TRIGGER") end |
| 21:49.55 | cbreak | you didn't implement what I recommended you after all? |
| 21:49.56 | Torhal | You're giving us snippets which show that there is more beneath the surface |
| 21:50.00 | cbreak | calling the handler directly? |
| 21:50.14 | Torhal | We're not going to steal your code. Show us what you have so we're not repeatedly saying "Ok, so what does this do?" |
| 21:50.23 | MatthewWW | nonono it's not that |
| 21:50.30 | MatthewWW | cbreak; that's the other addon |
| 21:50.34 | MatthewWW | It's that the addon is huge |
| 21:50.42 | MatthewWW | and when I put the whole thingup before people were like "wow that's too long" |
| 21:50.55 | MatthewWW | sec... |
| 21:50.58 | cbreak | well, applies for this too |
| 21:51.06 | Cide | Phoenix: |
| 21:51.06 | Cide | Can now attack while moving. |
| 21:51.07 | Torhal | Well, I don't know what the TutorialFrame does with the registered events |
| 21:51.07 | Cide | YES |
| 21:51.18 | foxlit | NOOOOOO! |
| 21:51.31 | cbreak | it calls it's OnEvent handler :) |
| 21:51.33 | MatthewWW | http://pastey.net/136225 |
| 21:51.36 | foxlit | It's already the fastest unit in the game :/ |
| 21:51.38 | cbreak | you can call it directly |
| 21:52.15 | Torhal | If the event is firing once every five seconds, that's why JIT_Trigger() is being called every five seconds. |
| 21:52.26 | MatthewWW | That event shouldn't fire every 5 secodns |
| 21:52.49 | Torhal | Shouldn't doesn't mean "Doesn't" |
| 21:52.53 | MatthewWW | right but |
| 21:53.10 | MatthewWW | hooksecurefunc("DeclineGroup",declinePartyHandler) notice it should only be called when people decline groups? |
| 21:53.22 | MatthewWW | JIT_Trigger(39) specifically is the one being called numerous times |
| 21:53.25 | cybermind | is it called every 5 seconds from UI load |
| 21:53.30 | Kaelten | anyone know if Sata 6Gbps drives are compatible with 3Gbps systems? |
| 21:53.33 | cybermind | or is it from after declining a party |
| 21:53.34 | Torhal | Or every five seconds using your OnUpdate within DoStuff() |
| 21:53.37 | Torhal | I just found your code. |
| 21:53.39 | cybermind | kaeltan: they are |
| 21:53.56 | MatthewWW | Yes, but this function is outside DoStuff() |
| 21:54.04 | Kaelten | cybermind: thanks :) |
| 21:54.20 | Torhal | MatthewWW: That doesn't matter - your OnUpdate() is being fired EVERY FIVE SECONDS :) |
| 21:54.26 | Torhal | It calls JIT_Trigger() |
| 21:55.51 | MatthewWW | I'm sorry I'm lost. I have the code written as SetScript("Onupdate..." yada yada) END then I have this code then I have DoStuff() |
| 21:56.41 | MatthewWW | But I'll move it to before OnUpdate x_x |
| 21:56.47 | Torhal | DoStuff() checks for t[1] then calls JIT_Trigger(). It then checks t[2] and is "s == 0" and calls JIT_Trigger() |
| 21:57.09 | Torhal | What t[1] and t[2] and s are is beyond me, and probably beyond you when you look at this code in 6 months, |
| 21:57.30 | foxlit | Torhal: meh. |
| 21:57.33 | MatthewWW | t[x] is the index of the Tutorial To be Triggered |
| 21:57.45 | foxlit | They're clearly used as a "have I triggered this before?" flag |
| 21:57.57 | MatthewWW | JIT_Trigger(39) ergo t[39] is the one repeatedly firing |
| 21:58.13 | MatthewWW | which currently resides outside of the DoStuff() onUpdate function unless I'm missing something |
| 21:58.26 | Torhal | foxlit: Yes, clearly. But their identity is ambiguous unless you're fluent with the code. |
| 21:58.29 | MatthewWW | Yes it's true that JIT_Trigger is being called every 5 seconds if various conditions are met |
| 21:58.38 | MatthewWW | However, not JIT_Trigger(39) |
| 21:58.46 | Torhal | MatthewWW: Have you added debug prints to ensure they aren't being met? |
| 21:58.51 | MatthewWW | Also Torhal; the t[x] matches WoW's internal tutorial code index. |
| 21:59.19 | Torhal | Well, that's all I can see that happens exactly every 5 seconds. |
| 21:59.19 | Xyphoid | cbreak: you can do the orphan quests with the stormwind ones i believe |
| 21:59.24 | Xyphoid | er, the orphan achieves |
| 21:59.33 | cbreak | I did the first orphan quests already. |
| 21:59.38 | MatthewWW | WHen I use wowLua to output the variables, they are true. And when t[46] is true, JIT_Trigger(39) is still being called... which if you look at the if statement is.. baffling |
| 21:59.39 | cbreak | stormwind and shatrath done :( |
| 21:59.50 | foxlit | I think I have all the orphan pets |
| 22:00.02 | cbreak | MatthewWW: look at the backtrace... :) |
| 22:00.14 | cbreak | I have the first six |
| 22:00.21 | airtonix | http://mrdoob.com/117/Fire_HTML5 |
| 22:00.38 | foxlit | t is global, though |
| 22:00.42 | foxlit | That's kind of a /facepalm. |
| 22:00.47 | Xyphoid | cbreak: i believe you can ask for a nother whistle once you're done with the quests |
| 22:00.55 | MatthewWW | foxlit; I kno |
| 22:01.07 | MatthewWW | foxlit: I'm using it in a lab in my Ph.D. experiments, it's never being distributed |
| 22:01.13 | MatthewWW | ie: it's not going to conflict with other addons |
| 22:01.19 | foxlit | It may conflict with FrameXML |
| 22:01.27 | MatthewWW | Oh.. |
| 22:01.31 | MatthewWW | I was getting a lot of errors from there |
| 22:01.32 | MatthewWW | lol |
| 22:01.36 | cbreak | ... |
| 22:01.44 | foxlit | But, really, just add print("t[46] is...", t[46]); prior to JIT_Trigger(39) |
| 22:01.46 | MatthewWW | facepalm away |
| 22:02.02 | Torhal | MatthewWW: Hold on |
| 22:02.08 | Torhal | 0 is not nil |
| 22:02.12 | Torhal | 0 is not false |
| 22:02.26 | MatthewWW | I know: but I didn't when I started |
| 22:02.30 | MatthewWW | do I operationalize it as such somewhere? |
| 22:02.41 | Torhal | Change "if not t46] then" to "if t[46] == 0 then" |
| 22:02.49 | airtonix | ooo http://mrdoob.com/99/Branching_HTML5 |
| 22:02.59 | cybermind | i'd use t[46]!= true |
| 22:03.20 | MatthewWW | Torhal: Doesn't matter. Look at my declaration up at the top: it -is- nil |
| 22:03.26 | MatthewWW | t = {} |
| 22:03.32 | Torhal | That isn't nil |
| 22:03.35 | Torhal | That's an empty table |
| 22:03.37 | MatthewWW | therefore t[46] = nil, si? |
| 22:03.40 | Torhal | Ah |
| 22:04.04 | MatthewWW | I initialize tFail = {} to 0 so I can do arithmetic on it |
| 22:04.04 | cbreak | I just did a /dump t... and someone actually used that global! |
| 22:04.10 | cbreak | what the f*** |
| 22:04.37 | Torhal | MatthewWW: Change t to local and see if it goes away |
| 22:04.52 | MatthewWW | I'm terrified of locals |
| 22:05.03 | MatthewWW | Doesn't it turn to nil as soon as the next end statement occurs? |
| 22:05.08 | cybermind | nope |
| 22:05.11 | MatthewWW | also it's a savedvariable so it needs to be global |
| 22:05.13 | cybermind | if its defined at file scope |
| 22:05.13 | cbreak | you should be terrified of globals |
| 22:05.16 | cybermind | it stays at file scope |
| 22:05.17 | cbreak | locals are your friends |
| 22:05.24 | cbreak | globals are dangerous, because other addons can mess with them |
| 22:05.29 | Torhal | Your savedvariable is named "t"? |
| 22:05.30 | cbreak | only use them if you have to |
| 22:05.36 | MatthewWW | lol |
| 22:05.42 | MatthewWW | Ok, I will change the name of the variable throughout |
| 22:05.45 | MatthewWW | ADDONNAME_t |
| 22:05.51 | durcyn | leaking shit into the global namespace leads to me showing up at your door with a ball-peen hammer and an object lesson. |
| 22:06.14 | foxlit | durcyn: I'm violating your global namespace right now. |
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| 22:06.23 | durcyn | foxlit: ffffff! |
| 22:06.35 | foxlit | no, sorry. ffffff has been remapped to uuuuuuuu |
| 22:07.05 | durcyn_a | There we go... now I am surely in your namespace |
| 22:07.09 | durcyn_a | ;-) |
| 22:07.31 | Torhal | MatthewWW: Variables declared local within the scope of the file persist within the file's namespace. Variables declared as local inside of a function are only only visible from that function. Do not fear local scoping. |
| 22:07.33 | durcyn_a | pokes durcyn_a with a stick a few times before disappearing. |
| 22:07.40 | durcyn | hah, tab fails you. |
| 22:07.59 | Nechckn | Fails who? |
| 22:08.26 | MatthewWW | Torhal: I will remember this henceforth |
| 22:08.27 | Nechckn | I think he left the building, buddy. |
| 22:08.51 | foxlit | If you're indenting properly, local variables stay within your indentation levels |
| 22:08.55 | durcyn | it's times like this that /ignore NICKS is less than useful. |
| 22:09.07 | Torhal | foxlit: When are you adding car-washing to OPie? |
| 22:09.30 | foxlit | Do I need to? :) |
| 22:09.36 | MatthewWW | If it isn't painfully horrifically obvious from the code, I'm crazy new at this stuff lol |
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| 22:10.03 | Torhal | Hopefully you'll learn to give variables more descriptive names :) |
| 22:10.24 | MatthewWW | I'm used to TIDE where variables are identifiable via the object to which they belong |
| 22:10.28 | Torhal | Especially if you have to make them global :) |
| 22:10.29 | foxlit | Torhal: ~46 versions and ~2 years since, I think it's roughly done |
| 22:10.40 | MatthewWW | %PlayerCharacterObject.STAT.mana = yada yada |
| 22:10.48 | Torhal | foxlit: But my car is dirty. |
| 22:11.03 | MatthewWW | Lua's just so ... loose with it's notation that it frightens and alarms me lol |
| 22:11.04 | Lunessa | Mmmm... OPie button that washes my car. |
| 22:11.26 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31kSA0Guqpo << Totally not fair. |
| 22:17.46 | MatthewWW | Fewer errors since I appended ADDONNAME_ to the beginning of t as a global |
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| 22:25.31 | airtonix | http://mrdoob.com/projects/ie/ |
| 22:26.32 | airtonix | http://pastebin.com/LTmdQ7A6 |
| 22:27.52 | Cloudwolf | well airtonix that one proejcts/ie/ thing doens't distinguish that im using firefox lol |
| 22:28.15 | airtonix | because it is the destination of the .htaccess rule in the paste |
| 22:28.34 | airtonix | http://mrdoob.com/blog/post/686 |
| 22:28.53 | PProvost | Cide: I work in VS but not on VC++ |
| 22:29.16 | Cide | ah |
| 22:29.32 | Cide | the new vs is nice in any case |
| 22:29.35 | Cide | but it keeps crashing on me |
| 22:29.46 | PProvost | crashing? That is not good. |
| 22:29.53 | Cide | it's the beta or RC |
| 22:29.58 | PProvost | ah |
| 22:29.58 | Cide | one of them, can't remember which |
| 22:30.00 | PProvost | Get RTM |
| 22:30.02 | PProvost | Mucho better |
| 22:30.05 | Cide | yeah I'm sure |
| 22:32.38 | airtonix | Hahaha, funny people with funny opinions. As they drive tanks to work and bicycles to war, they would suggest ripping of asphalt and building side walks through the desert. |
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| 22:34.02 | cbreak | cataclysm requires the US WoW :( |
| 22:34.30 | Cloudwolf | cataclysm is in friends and family beta only |
| 22:34.49 | Thunder_Child | cata also requires a reg entry |
| 22:34.54 | Thunder_Child | fumes |
| 22:35.47 | cbreak | are there release dates out already? Probably not. |
| 22:36.17 | Thunder_Child | hell, i'm surprised they even released a date for SC2 |
| 22:36.52 | cbreak | they had to |
| 22:36.58 | cbreak | after all, they just released the mac beta... |
| 22:37.34 | cbreak | if you'd give mac users too much of a head start, they'd wipe the floor with the now no longer under-age korean players |
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| 22:45.18 | cog|work | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/home_blog/2010/05/the-changing-typography-of-the-web.html |
| 22:46.17 | kd3 | yay, 1k rep away from <the Exalted> |
| 22:48.15 | cybermind | what faction |
| 22:48.52 | kd3 | keepers of time |
| 22:49.50 | Kraps | is mmoui minion open for anyone do download and use? |
| 22:50.04 | Kraps | do = to |
| 22:50.18 | cybermind | one heroic BM |
| 22:51.03 | kd3 | I've just been soloing old hilsbrad |
| 22:52.22 | Shirik | "Pleas unblock i was angry to that person so i sad i whoul kill him i didn't ment that i was trying to explane somthing to him and he didn't listen so i became angry I didn't ment it" |
| 22:54.58 | cybermind | I didn't ment it |
| 22:56.25 | dolby | yes Kraps |
| 22:57.02 | Kraps | dolby: i think you guys should promote it more on the site |
| 22:57.20 | dolby | its on the find tab, community tab and addon tab |
| 22:57.50 | dolby | but yeah there are plans to promote it on the addon pages |
| 22:57.56 | dolby | working on a small redesign for that |
| 23:00.55 | Lunessa | kd3: Go go go. It's my favorite title. |
| 23:02.26 | Antiarc | What's the general technique for converting distance between zone coordinates to yards? |
| 23:04.01 | cbreak | yards? why don't you use a less archaic unit? |
| 23:04.07 | cbreak | I measure everything in blink-distances |
| 23:06.27 | kd3 | lol |
| 23:06.50 | cybermind | Antiarc: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18313395288&sid=1 |
| 23:07.05 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 23:07.08 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24702231822&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
| 23:07.54 | Antiarc | Thanks, cybermind |
| 23:10.04 | cybermind | lol kd3 |
| 23:10.40 | Shirik | win: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/jon-stewart-attacks-politicians-for-overusing-the-meaningless-phrase-the-american-people-video.php |
| 23:11.02 | Shirik | better link: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-5-2010/american-apparently |
| 23:17.33 | Shirik | ~wiki Obamfuscation |
| 23:20.37 | foxlit | Hey, someone gave shirik a delete button |
| 23:20.44 | foxlit | Their encyclopedia is done for. |
| 23:20.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:21.36 | Cide | agreed |
| 23:23.12 | Cide | did you see the awesome phoenix buff Shirik? |
| 23:23.17 | Shirik | no |
| 23:23.26 | Cide | Phoenix: |
| 23:23.31 | Cide | Can now attack while moving. |
| 23:23.59 | foxlit | On one hand, Protoss were missing a good AA option versus mutalisks |
| 23:24.21 | foxlit | On the other, phoenixes can now be microed to eat mutalisks alive |
| 23:24.28 | Cide | as they should |
| 23:24.34 | Cide | mutalisks have basically no drawback |
| 23:24.46 | Cide | phoenixes can't attack ground without a gimmick |
| 23:26.32 | foxlit | I'd rather they handled it in some different manner |
| 23:26.41 | foxlit | Like buffing their +Light bonus |
| 23:26.59 | Cide | they were overall bad aa |
| 23:27.18 | Shirik | woah |
| 23:27.20 | Shirik | that's a huge buff |
| 23:27.33 | Cide | agreed |
| 23:30.03 | Cide | Shirik: I can't decide on how the public api should look like |
| 23:30.05 | Cide | any ideas? |
| 23:30.23 | foxlit | Fast-moving units are generally annoying to play against :( |
| 23:30.34 | Cide | like mutalisks |
| 23:30.46 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 23:30.49 | Cide | they come into play every zerg game ever pretty much |
| 23:30.51 | Cide | so annoying |
| 23:31.09 | foxlit | You don't fix one annoyance by adding another :) |
| 23:32.24 | Cide | shrug |
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| 23:34.04 | WobWork | "Do you expect me to talk?" "No Mr Bond, I expect you to die": Happy 50th birthday, laser |
| 23:36.49 | WobWork | Cairenn|afk: I was just bemoaning the fact I was being oppressed on the forum by the censorship module =) Thanks to the drug companies, talking about 'Socialising' results in 'So******ing' =P |
| 23:41.29 | Torhal | WobWork: Use the evil American spelling. |
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| 23:49.34 | WobWork | Torhal: I did =( |
| 23:49.39 | WobWork | I felt dirty afterwards |
| 23:49.54 | Torhal | Haha |
| 23:52.39 | NightHawkTheSane | oh SNAP! http://legalizefrostitution.blogspot.com/2010/05/so-fresh.html |
| 23:52.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Cupcake Royale cupcakes now delivered by Amazon Fresh! |
| 23:55.52 | Xyphoid | cupcakes are the new bacon? |
| 23:55.56 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: Although I'm sure they taste fine, I'm somewhat disturbed at the concept of a 'royale with cheese' |
| 23:55.58 | Xyphoid | (we had cupcakes for our wedding) |
| 23:56.08 | WobWork | Xyphoid: did they have bacon on them? |
| 23:56.13 | Xyphoid | no |
| 23:56.16 | Xyphoid | bacon is 2009 |
| 23:56.22 | WobWork | bacon is FOREVER |
| 23:56.36 | WobWork | washes Xyphoid's mouth out. With bacon. |
| 23:58.21 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: heh, they do have some.. interesting recipes.. but i imagine they're all amazing :)( |
| 23:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | I ought to start ordering from amazon fresh >.> |
