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| 00:04.21 | Thunder_Child | hmm...seems that broken dps vs broken tank, dps wins |
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| 00:07.50 | Adys | http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8208/garcata2.gif |
| 00:07.53 | Adys | that one was funny |
| 00:09.27 | Trela | XD |
| 00:10.01 | Kraps | so bibi started a meme? |
| 00:15.38 | Thunder_Child | a bad one |
| 00:16.19 | Thunder_Child | losing power @ 99% is not a problem |
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| 00:18.49 | A-KO | sighs |
| 00:19.57 | Thunder_Child | "[17:19:04] [DG] [70:Sybeheals-Kor]: that mage soulstoned me before he d/c'ed lol" |
| 00:20.30 | Lopeppeppy | Awesome mage, that. |
| 00:20.45 | A-KO | wonders who the guy that runs mmo-champ knows in blizz to get an invite that fast... |
| 00:24.00 | Thunder_Child | most heads of large fan sistes have them |
| 00:24.22 | Thunder_Child | sites* |
| 00:24.38 | Kraps | wait so he did get in? |
| 00:24.41 | A-KO | :P |
| 00:24.44 | A-KO | of course they did |
| 00:24.46 | A-KO | top guilds do also |
| 00:24.55 | Kraps | holy **** |
| 00:24.55 | Trela | I would comment, but I am bound by a NDA probably. :P |
| 00:25.03 | A-KO | I'm not (yet) :P |
| 00:25.07 | Kraps | away you :P |
| 00:25.10 | Thunder_Child | i would be bound...if i ever got my email |
| 00:25.18 | A-KO | I'm awaiting as well.... |
| 00:25.20 | A-KO | heh |
| 00:26.41 | Trela | Well, I think I am technically bound because I talk to one of the people that runs a WoW fan site. Cover my ass because it could get them in trouble. |
| 00:26.57 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RurKXFXKcEE |
| 00:27.03 | Kraps | comments |
| 00:27.10 | A-KO | lol Trela |
| 00:27.11 | Kraps | i'm rofling here |
| 00:27.14 | A-KO | no, you are not bound to anything |
| 00:27.19 | A-KO | but he is bound |
| 00:27.22 | A-KO | to not tell you things |
| 00:28.00 | A-KO | if it gets him in trouble, it's only his fault :P |
| 00:29.23 | Trela | Kraps: Nice. |
| 00:32.04 | Kraps | "Guys... Does "agreement" not mean that someone has to had to agree to not disclose anything? If boub has not signed (thus "agreed" to) anything, he can not be sued. Atleast not for breaking the Non-disclosure agreement, since it does not apply to him." |
| 00:32.11 | Kraps | whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
| 00:32.29 | tekkub | boob |
| 00:35.09 | A-KO | uhm |
| 00:35.44 | Thunder_Child | INCORRECT! |
| 00:36.25 | Xyphoid | i think reading between the lines of boub's posts, he is in the alpha and has signed a NDA |
| 00:36.32 | Trela | Kraps: There are similar cases where people not covered by the NDA have been successfully sued to reveal the name of the person under the NDA. |
| 00:36.41 | Xyphoid | but he's carefully avoiding specifically mentioning it |
| 00:36.43 | Kraps | heres another lawyer http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/cataclysm-friends-family-alpha-update/msg2681913/#msg2681913 |
| 00:37.21 | A-KO | Being under NDA means you can't talk about it |
| 00:37.29 | A-KO | if you accept the page, you accept the agreement |
| 00:37.30 | A-KO | done |
| 00:38.32 | Thunder_Child | well i'm fairly sure you cant even mention you are in the alpha/beta |
| 00:38.44 | Thunder_Child | but you know that before you get in it...so it is confusing |
| 00:39.20 | Xyphoid | well, note he's carefully not said anything about being in the alpha |
| 00:39.38 | NeoTron | so I was in the WoW closed alpha back in the days! |
| 00:39.56 | Lopeppeppy | Woot for you! |
| 00:41.22 | A-KO | I don't think the NDA means you can't say you're in it, but it does imply that you can't actually talk about what you're doing. |
| 00:42.09 | tekkub | the NDA probably does, and thus confirming there's an NDA in the first place violates the NDA |
| 00:42.11 | tekkub | fucking NDA! |
| 00:42.13 | NeoTron | I got in as a Linux client alpha tester |
| 00:42.20 | Lopeppeppy | Just don't talk about fight club, huh? |
| 00:42.41 | NeoTron | A-KO: usually NDA's prevent you from mentioning that you signed the NDA |
| 00:42.49 | tekkub | The first rule of NDA is, what NDA this NDA doesn't exist |
| 00:49.51 | robotusch | rofl |
| 00:50.02 | robotusch | Who was it that works for Cha Cha? |
| 00:50.05 | robotusch | argh |
| 00:50.06 | robotusch | wrong chan |
| 00:51.43 | Thunder_Child | i would say so |
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| 00:53.50 | DWSR | A-KO: An NDA can have varying degrees of secrecy. |
| 00:54.05 | DWSR | For example, there are some NDAs which mention that if you mention the NDA, Bad Things happen. |
| 00:54.08 | A-KO | DWSR: true, but it's hard to abide by an NDA if you haven't actually seen it |
| 00:54.17 | DWSR | Yeah, verily. |
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| 01:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You have the option of not signing the NDA, and then discussing it |
| 01:03.32 | ScytheBlade1 | But the people who send you an NDA generally don't appreciate that |
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| 01:46.48 | kd3 | hmm... bored, soloing escape from durnholde |
| 01:47.54 | kd3 | gah. forgot thrall's on a 50% mount |
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| 01:51.14 | Kraps | http://worldofwarcraft.mmocluster.com/img_achievements/1181304_2c504f9f95212564a830373b965465c9.jpg |
| 01:51.23 | airtonix | no |
| 01:51.29 | sylvanaar | man i love almond milk |
| 01:51.46 | airtonix | information retrieval is where its at |
| 01:52.02 | L4x4t0r | Hi |
| 01:52.15 | L4x4t0r | Does someone know where I can find the statistic |
| 01:52.19 | L4x4t0r | on world of warcraft official website |
| 01:52.24 | L4x4t0r | I don't find them anymore |
| 01:52.34 | airtonix | i threw it in the bin |
| 01:52.44 | Thunder_Child | statistic of what? |
| 01:52.49 | L4x4t0r | HV sellings |
| 01:52.56 | Kraps | i eated it |
| 01:52.56 | L4x4t0r | Like : items most seen on HV |
| 01:53.09 | Thunder_Child | HV? |
| 01:53.20 | L4x4t0r | House Auction |
| 01:53.26 | L4x4t0r | Sorry, I am french and HV is french :) |
| 01:53.29 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 01:53.41 | Kraps | why isnt mmoc on here http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/fansites.html |
| 01:53.45 | Thunder_Child | it would be auction house in english, but thats cool |
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| 01:54.12 | Thunder_Child | i never knew that blizz even had that |
| 01:54.44 | L4x4t0r | I am sure they had, less than 3 months ago |
| 01:54.49 | L4x4t0r | But can't find it anymore |
| 01:54.55 | Xyphoid | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/toplist/ |
| 01:54.59 | Xyphoid | but it's been broken for a while |
| 01:55.00 | L4x4t0r | Thanks ! |
| 01:55.12 | L4x4t0r | Not on Europe normaly |
| 01:56.36 | L4x4t0r | http://www.wow-europe.com/fr/info/gamestats/index.html |
| 01:57.03 | Kraps | http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2368/garfielda.png |
| 01:58.16 | L4x4t0r | Erf, the thing is no more working... |
| 02:02.01 | WobWork | pft |
| 02:02.14 | WobWork | warlocks who soulstone themselves in a pug instead of the healer |
| 02:02.21 | WobWork | don't get any heals |
| 02:02.30 | WobWork | cause they can bring themselves back to life |
| 02:03.20 | eidolarr | i don't get why you would be a dick to an inexperienced player =( |
| 02:03.42 | WobWork | because if you don't realise you need to soulstone the healer by 80 |
| 02:03.47 | WobWork | you're a moron |
| 02:03.48 | WobWork | not a noob |
| 02:03.56 | Amarande | Wob: unless you soloed your way to 80 and this is your first instance |
| 02:04.05 | WobWork | that's not my fault =) |
| 02:04.09 | WobWork | and I'm only enabling you |
| 02:04.12 | WobWork | I'm not being a dick |
| 02:04.15 | Xyphoid | being a dick to people in LFD is part of the experience |
| 02:04.16 | WobWork | you're clearly used to soloing |
| 02:04.20 | WobWork | why should I stand in your way? |
| 02:04.25 | eidolarr | yeah that is a bullshit argument |
| 02:04.30 | eidolarr | Xyphoid is on track to the truth |
| 02:04.46 | WobWork | pft |
| 02:04.59 | WobWork | most of the time warlocks know precisely what they're doing |
| 02:05.21 | WobWork | I'm not going to spend mana on someone who only thinks for themself |
| 02:05.26 | WobWork | I'm going to spend it on me |
| 02:05.34 | WobWork | since -I- have no wipe prevention |
| 02:05.54 | kd3 | L4x4t0r, it's broken on the us site too |
| 02:06.00 | kd3 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/toplist/index.html?en,auctionsold |
| 02:06.03 | eidolarr | what if the warlock is the backbone of the dps and if he dies the fight is over |
| 02:06.06 | WobWork | and that is not being a dick, it's being practical |
| 02:06.25 | WobWork | if the warlock is the backbone of the dps and the fight fails if he dies |
| 02:06.27 | Kraps | WobWork: did you tell him to SS you? |
| 02:06.30 | WobWork | he clearly knows more than a noob |
| 02:06.39 | WobWork | and the rest of the party is a fail |
| 02:07.01 | WobWork | Kraps: do you ask the healer to heal you? |
| 02:07.16 | Xyphoid | actually if i'm a lock |
| 02:07.16 | Xyphoid | yes |
| 02:07.27 | Xyphoid | because they often don't see me lifetapping |
| 02:07.41 | Kraps | whats with all the trolls? http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/cataclysm-friends-family-alpha-update/msg2682639/#msg2682639 |
| 02:08.02 | Amarande | Xyphoid: maybe they use out of date unit frames :) |
| 02:13.26 | Thunder_Child | whats the command to leave a 2's team? |
| 02:13.56 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.33 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: come on... |
| 02:15.37 | Thunder_Child | hmm? |
| 02:15.54 | Amarande | Kraps: people who don't like playing blood elves, undead, orcs, tauren, or Alliance? :) |
| 02:16.34 | Kraps | someone paid me 100g to take a team off his hands because he didnt know how to disband it |
| 02:17.22 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 02:17.35 | Kraps | http://tinyurl.com/38fcdzb |
| 02:22.39 | Thunder_Child | yes Kraps, i looked it up |
| 02:29.49 | Amarande | bah, I'm gonna need 24 slot bags at some point on the bankalt I think :P |
| 02:31.32 | Kraps | can anyone link some good podcasts they like? |
| 02:32.24 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.30 | Kraps | who\ |
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| 02:51.49 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:51.58 | Amarande | is there a good reason Icecap is super expensive on Turalyon or are people just insane? |
| 02:52.29 | Amarande | it's telling me market value for a stack of icecap is about 2600g |
| 02:52.35 | Jamash | wat |
| 02:52.36 | Amarande | and apparently has been this way for a while |
| 02:52.37 | Jamash | no wai |
| 02:52.43 | kd3 | no way |
| 02:52.48 | kd3 | it should be in the 50g range |
| 02:53.11 | Xyphoid | what's telling you that |
| 02:53.44 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_050410_225253.jpg |
| 02:54.16 | Xyphoid | well, all that tells you is someone is putting it up for high prices |
| 02:54.43 | Amarande | Xyphoid: it's been consistently like this for a week or two at least |
| 02:54.52 | Amarande | so it's definitely not a one-off goldseller auction doing it |
| 02:55.42 | Xyphoid | how long have you had auctioneer scanning there? |
| 02:55.51 | Xyphoid | could be just one guy posting it |
| 02:56.02 | Xyphoid | if nobody else has noticed the niche, good work by him |
| 02:56.17 | miica | Amarande: ugly ui :< |
| 02:56.41 | Amarande | Xyphoid: I scan with Auctioneer 5-7 times a week or so |
| 02:56.48 | Amarande | basically, daily, as long as I actually logged on on a given day |
| 02:57.26 | Xyphoid | 'market value' is a bit of a misnomer after all |
| 02:57.32 | Xyphoid | it's just what auctioneer sees things up for |
| 02:58.23 | Amarande | "no competition" ... maybe people get away with it because there's not much up |
| 02:58.26 | Xyphoid | so unless there's high volume for a particular item it can have huge variation |
| 02:58.36 | Amarande | it's one of those items like essence of air that I always boggle at the price of though, because it's so sillily easy to farm |
| 02:58.54 | Xyphoid | well, to farm it you have to walk to alterac |
| 02:58.56 | Amarande | like ... is there ever a node in winterspring that *isn't* icecap or the occasional black lotus? :S |
| 02:59.03 | Amarande | Xyphoid: that's wintersbite |
| 02:59.08 | Xyphoid | oh whoops |
| 03:00.43 | Xyphoid | so my guess is one guy is farming it total |
| 03:01.01 | Xyphoid | undercut him and see if it sells, if it sells go farm |
| 03:01.13 | Amarande | probably two |
| 03:01.19 | Xyphoid | it strikes me as something that wouldn't sell often |
| 03:01.26 | WobWork | PS, Xyphoid, if you're lifetapping, don't lifetap to the point of a possiblity of death =) |
| 03:01.37 | WobWork | because prioritywise, you're still below the tank |
| 03:01.39 | Amarande | one of them being me, but I'm holding onto it until I've finished leveling my alchemist and scribe to 300 |
| 03:02.15 | WobWork | And if you're not in combat, you're not getting healed from lifetap if we're on the move aside from perhaps a renew if I have the mana |
| 03:02.51 | WobWork | although, the best warlocks I like running with |
| 03:03.00 | WobWork | figure out how much a single renew of mine does |
| 03:03.01 | Amarande | hm, let's see what minor glyph I learn tonight |
| 03:03.03 | WobWork | and only lifetaps that much |
| 03:03.29 | Xyphoid | heh it makes me sad when i renew a lock who has no mana and they don't tap and keep drinking |
| 03:03.44 | WobWork | Also, it's a pity that lifetap doesn't get absorbed by mitigation |
| 03:03.49 | eidolarr | I have never seen a healer in a pug that couldn't afford to top off the warlock between pulls |
| 03:03.51 | WobWork | like SW:D does |
| 03:04.07 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:04.15 | Amarande | I take it there's a level 75 requirement on Matron/Patron for childrens week |
| 03:04.17 | WobWork | eidolarr: I'm not your mana battery =P |
| 03:04.38 | WobWork | I'll toss a renew your way |
| 03:04.44 | WobWork | but if you lifetap down to 5% |
| 03:04.48 | WobWork | I'm not going to heal you |
| 03:05.12 | eidolarr | most healers would rather heal the warlock so that they can continue DPS than slow the run down on the principle of not being a mana battery |
| 03:05.16 | WobWork | If -I- have to drink to get back mana, I'm not going to waste it on healing you |
| 03:05.24 | WobWork | as I said |
| 03:05.27 | WobWork | I'll toss a renew |
| 03:05.42 | WobWork | but with any pug |
| 03:05.47 | WobWork | dps can drink whenever they want |
| 03:05.48 | Amarande | hmm, astral recall |
| 03:05.54 | Amarande | too bad I won't be making a shaman until cata |
| 03:05.57 | eidolarr | besides being a mana battery isn't so bad when you get the crazy conversion rates of life tap |
| 03:06.01 | WobWork | and it won't make more than a few seconds difference |
| 03:06.17 | WobWork | eidolarr: it's the principal of the matter =P |
| 03:06.29 | WobWork | it's like calling for a res if the resser has to run back to their corpse |
| 03:06.38 | WobWork | if -I'm- running, -everyone- is |
| 03:06.48 | Amarande | btw, are the different inscription researchings on a shared or separate CDs? |
| 03:06.52 | Xyphoid | different |
| 03:06.54 | WobWork | separate |
| 03:06.57 | eidolarr | well if you wait for the resser to run back you're wasting a bit of time |
| 03:07.16 | WobWork | eidolarr: It's lazyness |
| 03:07.30 | WobWork | like pulling aggro off a decent tank |
| 03:07.42 | Amarande | ah, good, so I won't miss out on being able to research cata glyphs because I'll probably still be working on northrend ones by the time cata comes out. :) |
| 03:07.51 | Xyphoid | cata glyphs are going to be interesting |
| 03:08.11 | Xyphoid | most professions, older stuff becomes mostly useless |
| 03:08.21 | WobWork | The glyph books are pretty cheap nowadays |
| 03:08.21 | Xyphoid | inscription, i still sell level 15 glyphs for 60g every day |
| 03:08.46 | Xyphoid | so presumably in cata we'll still need glyphs from all the way through |
| 03:09.16 | WobWork | Xyphoid: you mean, the current glyphs will still be useful? |
| 03:09.41 | Xyphoid | WobWork: well, glyphs from apprentice inscription are still useful in wotlk |
| 03:09.55 | WobWork | glyphs are pretty much the exception in tradeskills |
| 03:10.01 | WobWork | in the range of usability |
| 03:10.33 | WobWork | with glyphs, it's more "how many slots do I have" and does it meet the binary choice "Useful/Sucky" |
| 03:11.00 | WobWork | rather than "Is it in my level range" |
| 03:11.32 | WobWork | I mean the glyphs -are- level restricted, but the bonuses they apply are usually levelbound to the skill's level anyway mostly |
| 03:11.37 | Xyphoid | glyph of lightning bolt > glyph of hex |
| 03:11.43 | Xyphoid | etc |
| 03:11.53 | Xyphoid | it's odd and will make adding new glyphs very weird |
| 03:12.08 | WobWork | it'll make balancing any new glyphs hard |
| 03:12.15 | Xyphoid | yeah, they'll have to do different things |
| 03:12.34 | WobWork | wtb minor glyph of zero priest reagent usage |
| 03:12.35 | Xyphoid | like rapid rejuve vs rejuve |
| 03:12.57 | WobWork | although, aren't we getting rid of reagents in caty? |
| 03:13.04 | WobWork | (or is that wishful thinking?) |
| 03:13.04 | Xyphoid | hadn't heard that |
| 03:13.09 | WobWork | =( |
| 03:13.12 | WobWork | wtb minor glyph of zero priest reagent usage |
| 03:13.33 | Xyphoid | there are very few spells that don't have a glyph affecting them, but there are a lot of spells that a second glyph that modifies them in a different way would be cool |
| 03:13.43 | Xyphoid | esp if there are more glyph of healing touch-style ones |
| 03:13.44 | Amarande | heh, does anyone even buy major glyphs that aren't the three EJ recommended glyphs for a particular spec, though? |
| 03:13.52 | Xyphoid | yes |
| 03:13.53 | eidolarr | WobWork: i play a paladin and a warlock and i have never ever been in a situation where it would be faster for the warlock to drink, except after a wipe |
| 03:13.58 | WobWork | yes |
| 03:13.58 | Xyphoid | i sell a lot of terrible glyphs |
| 03:14.14 | eidolarr | every now and then you get self righteous healers who refuse to heal on principle, and then either the run disbands or is super slow |
| 03:14.15 | WobWork | although, what is it with people nowadays |
| 03:14.18 | WobWork | and after a wipe |
| 03:14.21 | WobWork | they don't eat/drink |
| 03:14.28 | WobWork | and expect the healer to do so |
| 03:14.31 | WobWork | then heal everyone up |
| 03:14.34 | WobWork | then drink again? |
| 03:14.36 | Xyphoid | heh you continue after wipes |
| 03:14.37 | Xyphoid | ? |
| 03:14.43 | Xyphoid | what i see these days is any wipe is end of group |
| 03:15.00 | miica | meeh killed lk25normal today <3 |
| 03:15.03 | WobWork | Xyphoid: only after 30min |
| 03:15.12 | WobWork | or the deserter debuff is pretty terrible |
| 03:15.37 | miica | anybody from Burning Steppes EU? :P |
| 03:15.43 | WobWork | hehe |
| 03:15.54 | WobWork | I'm always wary of zoning into a group in progress |
| 03:15.54 | Amarande | Wob: yeah, I've seen the same |
| 03:15.56 | Amarande | nobody ever eats |
| 03:16.00 | WobWork | and seeing corpses scattered hither and yon |
| 03:16.01 | Amarande | they always expect a healer topoff |
| 03:16.11 | eidolarr | as a healer i don't care if ppl don't run back, if they want to take a break good on em |
| 03:16.21 | Xyphoid | it's cool when you zone in and save a wipe |
| 03:16.23 | eidolarr | i value someone else's 5 minutes more than my 15 extra seconds drinking and rsesing them |
| 03:16.33 | Amarande | sometimes I do, sometimes I just toss a renew each on the dps and only top off the tank :P |
| 03:16.36 | WobWork | eidolarr: you're just enabling their lazyness |
| 03:16.44 | Xyphoid | i love not having to walk to the group |
| 03:16.45 | WobWork | if they're so lazy they want to be ressed |
| 03:16.57 | WobWork | they won't exert any effort anywhere else |
| 03:17.03 | miica | healear is lazy if he dont ress! |
| 03:17.10 | Amarande | depends, if they used the dungeon tool, they may not know where the dungeon is |
| 03:17.15 | eidolarr | that's silly |
| 03:17.21 | WobWork | miica: If -I- have to spend the effort running in, so do you =P |
| 03:17.24 | Xyphoid | yeah waiting for people to find the BRD entrance... |
| 03:17.31 | Amarande | especially if it's a crappy placed dungeon like BRD or BF |
| 03:17.32 | WobWork | oh god, the ICC5 entrance =( |
| 03:17.36 | miica | WobWork: i am special you arent muhahaa :3 |
| 03:17.47 | WobWork | miica: hehe, no you're just dead =) |
| 03:17.55 | miica | :< |
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| 03:17.57 | WobWork | cause the majority of the time |
| 03:18.03 | WobWork | we can 4man the instance just fine |
| 03:18.10 | WobWork | til you get off your arse and run in |
| 03:18.30 | Xyphoid | i love lfd, it's so full of passive aggression all around |
| 03:18.38 | miica | well normaly i do heroics with guild so no need to wipe :3 |
| 03:18.38 | WobWork | although, people who -don't- run in on ToC confuse me |
| 03:18.42 | Xyphoid | from the 'how can you heal in that crap gear' at the start to the 'why did you need on that' at the end |
| 03:18.51 | miica | and it is stupid that you need healers always.. |
| 03:18.53 | eidolarr | to me it is arrogant to assert that your 10 second res time is worth their 5 minutes ghost running |
| 03:18.55 | miica | it is just so lame |
| 03:19.08 | eidolarr | it's not laziness if the task is busy work |
| 03:19.09 | WobWork | eidolarr: pft, I've spent the 5min ghost running |
| 03:19.12 | miica | normaly we got some dps taking healer flag so we get instance and then nobody heals |
| 03:19.15 | WobWork | So can -you- |
| 03:19.35 | WobWork | you're no more special snowflake than I am |
| 03:19.49 | WobWork | so if -I- have to expend time and effort to get back to the instance, so do you. |
| 03:20.07 | eidolarr | that is the kind of selfishness that only exists on the internet |
| 03:20.15 | WobWork | I mean, sure, I zone in to a pug in progress, I'll res people |
| 03:20.16 | miica | If you are healer and grp wipes it is YOUR fault and you need to run! |
| 03:20.21 | WobWork | hahaha |
| 03:20.27 | WobWork | keep thinking that =) |
| 03:20.47 | WobWork | I know that with my healing, if you die, it's cause you're standing in the wrong spot |
| 03:20.53 | miica | and if I get agro it is TANK fault and healer still need to ress me |
| 03:21.01 | WobWork | I had two ret pallies stand in the laser in HoS =( |
| 03:21.03 | eidolarr | well ok |
| 03:21.07 | WobWork | even after I warned them |
| 03:21.09 | eidolarr | only exists amongst otherwise non-assholes on the internet |
| 03:21.13 | miica | i just stand still and spam my arcane blast <3 |
| 03:21.18 | WobWork | They then stood in the lightning ring |
| 03:21.21 | WobWork | even after I warned them |
| 03:21.38 | WobWork | if you don't heed warnings, you accept the consequences |
| 03:21.42 | WobWork | (of repair bills) |
| 03:21.43 | miica | if you stand in fire and you die it is still healer fault coz they didint heal you |
| 03:21.56 | WobWork | yeah, that's why I'm glad I'll never group with you miica |
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| 03:22.05 | Shirik | lmao Kraps |
| 03:22.07 | miica | : |
| 03:22.09 | WobWork | cause you're a fine example of fucked up dps |
| 03:22.13 | Shirik | http://stats.grok.se/en/201005/Special:Block/Tanthalas39 |
| 03:22.32 | miica | well when we killed LK today and everybody died at 10% it was healers fault |
| 03:22.37 | WobWork | PS, fisker, is that you? =P |
| 03:22.59 | miica | than god there was that paladin npc who knew what to do |
| 03:23.04 | WobWork | miica: nah, it was dps fault |
| 03:23.10 | WobWork | because they didn't kill fast enough |
| 03:23.13 | WobWork | get with the program =P |
| 03:23.17 | miica | if somebody dies it is always healers fault |
| 03:23.29 | WobWork | you keep thinking that |
| 03:23.43 | Sargeras | if the paladin would have bubbled at the beginning to get the ice block off of him, it would make things easier |
| 03:23.43 | miica | we got paladin alts |
| 03:24.19 | eidolarr | look realistically if you are doing hard content |
| 03:24.26 | eidolarr | and you fuck up but a healer could easily have saved you |
| 03:24.34 | eidolarr | that healer is going to take at least as much of the blame as you |
| 03:24.38 | miica | we got 4 paladin dude in guild and when there is random dudes in our instance group and he keeps pulling we normaly pull room and then every paladin use bubble so random dies then we teach him not to pull mobs :3 |
| 03:24.47 | eidolarr | the "IT IS YOUR FAULT YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE" logic is a good way to get gkicked |
| 03:25.15 | miica | i was angsting in guild today |
| 03:25.23 | miica | but they didint take me seriously :< |
| 03:25.30 | eidolarr | personally i believe that just because you don't know pugs as well as guildies isn't a good reason to be an asshole to them |
| 03:25.30 | miica | i was realy sad |
| 03:25.55 | miica | if they pull and take agro etc shit it is good to teach them <3 |
| 03:26.11 | batrick | For the sake of not being adverse to simple changes, I'm abiding the new Ubuntu change to move the min/max/close buttons to the top left. But WHY do they pick button graphics for min/max that make no fucking sense =( |
| 03:26.11 | WobWork | eidolarr: I'm only an asshole to people who are an asshole back to me |
| 03:26.12 | miica | well there has been few nice random dude :) |
| 03:26.17 | batrick | The arrows are stupid : / |
| 03:26.20 | WobWork | it's too much effort otherwise to be assholish to everyone |
| 03:26.54 | miica | once there was just random idiot hunter but he was stupid that it was almost cute so we boosted him and teached some basic staff :D |
| 03:27.13 | miica | like how to get pet.. |
| 03:27.22 | WobWork | And usually, you can tell if it's noobishness or actual maliciousness |
| 03:27.46 | miica | yeah :/ |
| 03:27.51 | WobWork | but if they're in all 245 gear etc |
| 03:28.01 | WobWork | you can normally rule out noobyness =P |
| 03:28.44 | eidolarr | I would also be very pissed if I was in a group and a healer held us up while he forced someone who had gone afk after dying to run back |
| 03:28.46 | miica | well some peoples dont know anything about hit caps etc |
| 03:28.55 | miica | game dont realy teach about them |
| 03:29.03 | WobWork | eidolarr: people actually -say- that nowadays? |
| 03:29.07 | miica | you need to read them from forums or somebody tell you about them |
| 03:29.16 | Shirik | ok I found this awesome thing |
| 03:29.18 | Shirik | "suicide linux" |
| 03:29.20 | WobWork | eidolarr: they just go afk without saying -anything- =P |
| 03:29.30 | WobWork | Then expect to be ressed when the healer gets back |
| 03:29.40 | eidolarr | or without saying anything |
| 03:29.43 | miica | Shirik: suicide linux? |
| 03:29.48 | Shirik | distribution of linux that immediately executes `rm -rf /` if you type an invalid command |
| 03:29.53 | miica | :D |
| 03:29.56 | miica | sound good |
| 03:30.01 | WobWork | Shirik: I'd call it Hell Mode |
| 03:30.09 | miica | lesbian linux is best so far it got porn-get |
| 03:30.27 | eidolarr | Shirik: sounds like Hardcore diablo |
| 03:30.34 | miica | and it had realy nice bunny game |
| 03:30.37 | Shirik | people have competitions about how long they can show their uptime |
| 03:30.47 | WobWork | Shirik: just run it on a box |
| 03:30.52 | WobWork | and don't touch it for years =P |
| 03:31.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:31.06 | Shirik | that's cheating |
| 03:31.06 | WobWork | except to have a script that prints uptime every 10min |
| 03:31.11 | eidolarr | does it count if you can somehow override the behavior? |
| 03:31.44 | batrick | Shirik: I'd compile my own shell, bam done. |
| 03:33.16 | WobWork | I just feel, that if time has to be spent by the healer to run back to the instance, that saying "Well, you're wasting time waiting for the others to run back also" is patently false. Because if -everyone- ran in, alongside the healer, then sat and drank/ate, that would be less time spent, than the healer running back, drinking, ressing, drinking, healing, drinking. |
| 03:33.18 | miica | there was this uptime sitee.. i think i twas uptime.org |
| 03:33.20 | Xyphoid | we had a machine that got to 1500 days uptime |
| 03:33.32 | Xyphoid | it was like 'awesome! ... but that's actually terrible oh god unpatched for that long' |
| 03:34.07 | miica | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html |
| 03:34.46 | batrick | wtf is that |
| 03:34.46 | miica | not any linux in it :P |
| 03:34.54 | miica | oops it was today |
| 03:35.04 | batrick | Probably because only windows is dumb enough to share that with anyone |
| 03:35.18 | WobWork | what's it measured in? |
| 03:35.21 | WobWork | days? hours? |
| 03:35.24 | WobWork | years? |
| 03:35.34 | batrick | i think it's seconds WobWork :) |
| 03:35.37 | batrick | hehe |
| 03:35.58 | miica | there was better site but cant find it :< |
| 03:36.23 | WobWork | also, any windows machine up that long scares me |
| 03:36.37 | miica | well it is kinda safe if you just got firewall and dont use it :D |
| 03:36.43 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.56 | Torhal | What about RAM fragmentation? |
| 03:37.16 | Torhal | Windows can get really wonky after a few days without a restart |
| 03:37.23 | miica | linux is kinda nice because you dont realy need to boot if you update software |
| 03:37.48 | miica | and old kernels like 2.4 are kinda safe :o |
| 03:38.13 | miica | i got kinda freaky feeling :/ |
| 03:38.39 | miica | i should go school in few hours and i have been up whole night because we killed LK and we went bar take few beer :D |
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| 03:46.46 | Arrowmaster | a lot of those uptime reports are fucked up by proxy servers |
| 04:04.12 | Kraps | wtf i want to buy this now http://kotaku.com/5531030/nier-review-not-without-his-daughter |
| 04:04.29 | Kraps | console games ftl! |
| 04:04.48 | Arrowmaster | which one is that? theres like 2 or 3 versions i think |
| 04:06.05 | Kraps | idk |
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| 04:09.02 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: http://kotaku.com/5529779/five-ways-to-suck-in-the-halo-reach-beta |
| 04:14.46 | Jamash | they've really hit on a winning formula, haven't they |
| 04:15.12 | Jamash | that is, keep making halo three every year until doomsday |
| 04:17.44 | Amarande | fuck. alliance just got realm first LK 25H |
| 04:17.57 | Amarande | alliance does not DESERVE such accolades! |
| 04:19.02 | Amarande | 'specially not with a healer named Coldheals :S |
| 04:20.05 | WobWork | Kraps: now I want to know what the forest of myth mechanic is |
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| 04:20.34 | doc-saintly | is it reasonable to use XML to create an event that fires a function, and redefine the function as I need to use a timer? |
| 04:20.47 | Kraps | WobWork: hrm? |
| 04:21.48 | Iriel | I wouldn't bother with XML |
| 04:22.07 | WobWork | Kraps: nier |
| 04:22.10 | doc-saintly | Iriel: well i'm not actually on WoW and don't have CreateFrame() :\ |
| 04:22.20 | Jamash | XML is old and busted |
| 04:22.47 | kd3 | gah... 5998/6k |
| 04:26.46 | WobWork | http://www.wolfire.com/humble? |
| 04:27.13 | WobWork | doc-saintly: are you not coding for WoW? |
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| 04:40.13 | Amarande | so what's this ruby sanctum I'm hearing about? |
| 04:40.32 | Amarande | an admission by Blizzard that ICC came out too soon and now they need a new raid to tide people over, like when they added SWP because they put out BT too soon? :) |
| 04:40.33 | Thunder_Child | new dungeon |
| 04:41.26 | Hjalte | It's just one real boss and three mini-bosses. I don't think it'll keep people busy for long. |
| 04:41.45 | Thunder_Child | long enough |
| 04:41.48 | doc-saintly | WobWork: nope. oh well. i need to talk to another author before i can continue, he's mucked up some of the mod i was going to do -,- |
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| 04:46.11 | kd3 | rofl. the entire alliance all got siege engines from broken temple and destroyed the three towers in a minute flat |
| 04:47.50 | kd3 | (horde has 18 stacks of tenacity at present) |
| 04:48.30 | Adys | hmm kd3 |
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| 04:51.47 | Kraps | Greetings young <Class>, I'm in dire need of your help. I'm here in behalf of the Dreanei of Telaar, providing supplies from Outland to the Alliance where it's needed. This cataclysm had much more effect on you then on us. I was gonna report my situation back, but our Emissary Corki has been kidnapped by the nagas! I sure can't have that on my report. Could you kill loads of nagas to get a... |
| 04:51.49 | Kraps | ...key to free that dumbass, thank you. |
| 04:51.56 | Adys | ah here it is |
| 04:52.33 | Adys | kd3: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/splitty.jpg |
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| 04:55.33 | kd3 | yeah... that's us atm |
| 04:55.43 | kd3 | but we're in better shape, they never got close to the keep |
| 04:55.58 | Adys | that was without tenacity tho |
| 04:57.03 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/736/ |
| 05:03.41 | Shirik | how to not write code: |
| 05:04.06 | Shirik | Implementation of AddParameter(type): return AddParameter(type, m_parameters.size() - GetNumTrailingParameters()); |
| 05:04.20 | Shirik | Implementation of AddParameter(type, int): return AddParameter(type);// faster to use push_back |
| 05:04.46 | batrick | How To Not Write Code: Function overloading. |
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| 05:05.01 | Shirik | negative |
| 05:05.28 | Corrodias | making a second signature that just ignores an argument and does the first one anyway |
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| 05:05.55 | Corrodias | and making a first one that calls the second :D |
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| 05:12.36 | Arrowmaster | endless loop! |
| 05:12.38 | Thunder_Child | "I guess being the most physically fit computer users is on par with being the worlds tallest midget" |
| 05:12.47 | Thunder_Child | s/users/user/ |
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| 05:40.16 | Amarande | so basically, cata is going to change 1-60 and 80-85 significantly, but 60-80 will pretty much remain the same apart from equipment stat changes and the removal of ranks from skills? |
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| 05:41.17 | Thunder_Child | yes, outlands will be the same |
| 05:41.27 | Thunder_Child | and northrend |
| 05:41.31 | Amarande | I seem to have discovered a new liking for Outland |
| 05:41.33 | Amarande | on my DK, at least |
| 05:41.58 | Amarande | with my priest, I'll never know, since I did so many instances in the 60s |
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| 06:13.31 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:13.36 | Fisker | are you the legendary bitchduck |
| 06:13.36 | Fisker | ? |
| 06:14.43 | zenzio | "Nvidia's chief scientist, Bill Daly, has warned that the long-established Moore's Law is in danger of joining phlogiston theory on the list of superseded laws, unless the CPU business embraces parallel processing on a much broader scale." |
| 06:14.53 | zenzio | okay, so what if it does die? |
| 06:15.21 | Thunder_Child | dark age of computing |
| 06:15.33 | zenzio | hardly, it'd simply slow down |
| 06:15.43 | Thunder_Child | yes, thats what i said |
| 06:16.23 | zenzio | then I misunderstood. Thought you meant everything would come crumbling down |
| 06:17.13 | Thunder_Child | yes, thats what i said |
| 06:17.37 | Thunder_Child | do your best to follow the line of reasoning if it slows down |
| 06:18.08 | zenzio | I don't see a problem with staying at current transitor counts |
| 06:18.17 | zenzio | *transistor |
| 06:18.34 | Thunder_Child | think of it from a computer company standpoint |
| 06:19.29 | batrick | parallel processing has nothing to do with transistor count on a chip |
| 06:19.36 | batrick | wtf is he talking about |
| 06:20.22 | Arrowmaster | moore's law is often misquoted |
| 06:20.38 | batrick | and misunderstood |
| 06:20.49 | batrick | which is a corollary i suppose |
| 06:20.50 | Arrowmaster | he is probably thinking of the misquote that 'processor power doubles' instead of 'transistor count doubles' |
| 06:21.08 | batrick | it scares me that he is the "chief scientist" |
| 06:21.24 | batrick | some fucking high school dropout faggot no doubt who was best friends witht he CEO |
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| 06:21.33 | batrick | "chief scientist"? that can't be important |
| 06:21.36 | batrick | sure joe you can be it |
| 06:21.45 | Thunder_Child | so bitter |
| 06:21.53 | batrick | annoyed not bitter |
| 06:22.01 | Thunder_Child | BITTER! |
| 06:22.03 | batrick | i'd be bitter if i lost the job to him |
| 06:22.05 | batrick | which i didn't |
| 06:22.12 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 06:22.20 | Arrowmaster | considering the disaster of their latest chips development im not surprised |
| 06:23.05 | batrick | intel should get their hands in the GPU pie imo |
| 06:23.09 | batrick | at least they keep their fabs here |
| 06:23.21 | Fisker | a wild Fisker appears |
| 06:23.43 | zenzio | no-one chooses him |
| 06:23.57 | Jerub | k Fisker |
| 06:23.59 | Shirik | yes Fisker |
| 06:24.02 | Arrowmaster | i thought intel just had a plant in ireland get fucked up because the local government used the wrong salt on the roads in the winter and fucked the water supply |
| 06:24.02 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:24.11 | batrick | thye have fabs everywhere |
| 06:24.15 | Jerub | cast 'Magic Missile' Fisker |
| 06:24.17 | batrick | but a lot in the US |
| 06:24.20 | Fisker | anyway Shirik |
| 06:24.22 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 06:24.25 | Jerub | get all corpse |
| 06:24.28 | Jerub | sac corpse |
| 06:24.28 | Fisker | noone chose me Jerub :( |
| 06:24.42 | Torhal | Jerub: Oh, noes. DIKU-head. |
| 06:24.44 | Arrowmaster | all nvidia and ati fab is done in taiwan |
| 06:25.20 | batrick | ya some asian country |
| 06:25.22 | Arrowmaster | same place too i think |
| 06:25.40 | Jerub | Torhal: I wrote code for an envy-mud. That was where i learned C. |
| 06:25.46 | Jerub | thought he was a top shit 13 year old. |
| 06:26.20 | Torhal | Jerub: I wrote for a few DIKU/Circle MUDs after doing some C for TinyMUX. |
| 06:26.37 | WobWork | heehee |
| 06:26.37 | Jerub | Torhal: :D |
| 06:26.39 | WobWork | diku |
| 06:26.44 | Jerub | Torhal: did you use midgaard? |
| 06:26.52 | WobWork | I started on Smaug I think |
| 06:26.54 | Jerub | man, i still know the layout of midgaard. |
| 06:26.56 | Torhal | Jerub: One of them did, yah. |
| 06:27.12 | Torhal | WobWork: Smaug was horribad. globals.h |
| 06:27.18 | WobWork | oh I know >< |
| 06:27.20 | Torhal | You change one thing and have to recompile the whole fucking MUD |
| 06:27.30 | WobWork | but then I joined DWMud and LPC... my god, my eyes were opened |
| 06:27.50 | Jerub | I nearly got back into muds because i knew some mudders back in '04 |
| 06:27.51 | WobWork | It was like "omg, I can make directions -other- than the cardinal ones!" |
| 06:27.58 | Torhal | I never got into LPC...every one I connected to was just so weird so I never delved into the code. |
| 06:28.01 | Jerub | but they were simulationist. slow walking, ugh. |
| 06:28.13 | WobWork | Torhal: well, Discworld MUD fits that description |
| 06:28.17 | WobWork | but deliberately so =P |
| 06:28.20 | Torhal | Heh |
| 06:28.30 | Jerub | i'd consider a wow mud or a discworld mud. |
| 06:28.37 | Fisker | hello WobWork |
| 06:28.39 | WobWork | Jerub: discworld.imaginary.com |
| 06:28.48 | Jerub | i tried a anne mccaffery/dragons muck a whlie back |
| 06:28.52 | Jerub | but it confused and frustrated me. |
| 06:28.58 | WobWork | I thought that was illegal til relatively recently |
| 06:29.00 | Torhal | I could never actually PLAY a MUD, which is why I coded them - to try to make something I'd consider playing. |
| 06:29.01 | Jerub | i just didn't understand the point of roleplaying /alone/ |
| 06:29.08 | WobWork | She didn't allow fanfiction and the like for a long time |
| 06:29.56 | Jerub | WobWork: that was in '01 |
| 06:29.59 | Jerub | maybe '99 |
| 06:30.01 | Torhal | I ended up implementing something very similar to WoW's heirlooms because the whole concept of "You're not high enough level to pick up and use that sword" was just so retarded to me. |
| 06:30.14 | WobWork | DW MUD was awesome |
| 06:30.21 | WobWork | if you were a witch, you could fly places with your broom |
| 06:30.27 | WobWork | but there was a chance you'd crash |
| 06:30.36 | WobWork | and leave a witch shaped hole in the ground |
| 06:30.41 | Thunder_Child | unless you were granny |
| 06:30.42 | Jerub | Torhal: we just had kyle's towel. |
| 06:30.53 | Jerub | which was like a +x to every stat + a light in the light slot |
| 06:30.56 | WobWork | So at one point, I wrote code for Plaster of Psudeopolis |
| 06:30.58 | Torhal | Foof? |
| 06:31.02 | WobWork | that you could pour into the hole |
| 06:31.08 | WobWork | and make a statue of the witch |
| 06:31.14 | WobWork | that had every bit of her description |
| 06:31.18 | Jerub | kyle was the guy who ran the mud. it meant we could play without stupid stuff like worriyng about lights or being too low level to killbunnies |
| 06:31.21 | Torhal | Aaah |
| 06:31.30 | WobWork | You could also do the same with pet swamp dragons |
| 06:31.34 | WobWork | that had randomly exploded |
| 06:31.42 | Torhal | I made light sources work even if you weren't holding them, and you could light them if they were on the ground. |
| 06:31.48 | WobWork | of course, the plaster statue was in the shape of a flat dragon |
| 06:31.56 | WobWork | (with a collar) |
| 06:31.56 | Torhal | All kinds of shit just didn't make sense in the stock code. |
| 06:32.17 | WobWork | actually, my favourite item |
| 06:32.21 | WobWork | was the pirate eyepatch |
| 06:32.30 | WobWork | it set your terminal columns to half of the current value |
| 06:32.39 | Jerub | WobWork: <3 |
| 06:32.52 | WobWork | - |
| 06:33.01 | WobWork | -that- is the sort of thing you can only really do on MUDs =) |
| 06:33.26 | Jerub | the getting drunk crap in wow is similar to that. |
| 06:33.35 | WobWork | yeah, the messing with the fourth wall =) |
| 06:34.11 | WobWork | but oh god, having inheritance, and objects, and such, after writing Dikus and Smaug and the like... |
| 06:34.14 | WobWork | it was amazing =P |
| 06:34.37 | Torhal | I was actually insane enough to convert the MUD to C++ |
| 06:34.50 | Torhal | I had objects you could enter which then could be picked up |
| 06:35.00 | WobWork | Torhal: we had that =) |
| 06:35.11 | WobWork | I was silly enough, to, with the wrapping paper |
| 06:35.11 | Torhal | I tried to compile the code a few months ago...no dice :) |
| 06:35.16 | WobWork | choose 'wrap all in paper' |
| 06:35.25 | WobWork | consequently, I got wrapped up =P |
| 06:35.29 | Torhal | Hah |
| 06:36.00 | WobWork | it was actually a hack of sorts we used. In Djelibaby, if you performed magic in sight of the guards, you got thrown to the crocodiles |
| 06:36.15 | WobWork | so I'd do so with some wrapping paper at hand, wrap up the crocodiles |
| 06:36.25 | WobWork | and pick up all the loot on the bottom of the river =P |
| 06:36.28 | Torhal | One of the worst things I ever did was add a system for spell interactions with material types |
| 06:36.50 | Torhal | The dude who owned the MUD made the players have to do a fucking equipment dance to cast spells. |
| 06:36.55 | Torhal | It was horribad. |
| 06:37.13 | Torhal | Oh, you can't cast this while wearing metal. |
| 06:37.22 | Torhal | Oh, this harms you if you're wearing leather. |
| 06:37.24 | Torhal | etc |
| 06:39.29 | WobWork | ââTorhal: http://goo.gl/p5kj |
| 06:39.33 | WobWork | ... |
| 06:39.37 | WobWork | I didn't mean for that to happen =P |
| 06:39.59 | Torhal | Oh, lord |
| 06:40.06 | Torhal | That reminds me - I made money have weight. |
| 06:40.15 | Torhal | People were throwing away copper. |
| 06:40.17 | Torhal | hahaha |
| 06:49.50 | Jerub | i love how much mudding stuff made it into wow. |
| 06:50.31 | Jerub | even stuff like saying 'gratz' on ding, 'mobs' being called mobs by people whose parents conceived them love to 90s music |
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| 06:52.29 | Thunder_Child | ...there is a gearscore app on itunes |
| 06:54.32 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: o_O |
| 06:54.40 | Jerub | goes back to reminiscing and pretending itunes doesn't exist. |
| 06:55.01 | Torhal | Jerub: I wonder how many people who play WoW know that "mob" means "mobile NPC"? :D |
| 06:55.40 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was 'mobile object' |
| 06:55.55 | Jerub | Torhal: judging from my questions on vent during 10mans, none. |
| 06:56.59 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: see, this is why we truncated it to mob. |
| 06:57.00 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Actually, you're right - MUD (the original) used that terminology. Mine is DIKU-and-kin-derived. |
| 06:57.08 | Jerub | ;) |
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| 06:57.23 | Arrowmaster | i never played any muds |
| 06:57.32 | Arrowmaster | i just knew it was 'mobile object' |
| 06:58.03 | Jerub | did anyone play a mud where there were quests? |
| 06:58.23 | Torhal | Jerub: The last one I coded for had 'em |
| 06:58.31 | Jerub | i think the closest my mud had was complicated zones that you had to work out exactly who to interact with to get keys to get through to the end. |
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| 06:58.46 | Torhal | The quests were all hard-coded and had IDs |
| 07:02.39 | WobWork | we had quests in DW |
| 07:02.43 | WobWork | they were pretty awesome |
| 07:02.49 | WobWork | we even had cheat sites |
| 07:02.53 | WobWork | that had walkthroughs =P |
| 07:03.09 | WobWork | we even had questpoints and tallies for 'achievements' =P |
| 07:03.33 | WobWork | also, older players could 'train' newer players in the various skills for experience |
| 07:03.41 | Jerub | WobWork: oh, that's nice. |
| 07:03.59 | Jerub | speaking of muds |
| 07:04.07 | Jerub | *goes to burn actions on echo bazaar* |
| 07:04.52 | Jerub | gotta get dangerous to like 50 to conitnue to my plot arc |
| 07:04.53 | WobWork | I've stopped playing =( |
| 07:05.15 | WobWork | after my big storyplot line derailed, I lost interest =( |
| 07:05.40 | WobWork | "This ambition is not finished. Come back later!" |
| 07:05.58 | Jerub | WobWork: oh you're kidding :( |
| 07:05.58 | Jerub | damn |
| 07:06.03 | WobWork | I was looking forward to playing cards with the monkey and the bishop |
| 07:06.06 | Jerub | WobWork: which ambition are you on? |
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| 07:07.23 | WobWork | it was the Watchful/Persuasive one |
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| 07:08.04 | WobWork | ooh you have an araby fighting weasel =) |
| 07:08.12 | WobWork | how is it? |
| 07:08.52 | WobWork | Jerub: I want that mug with the grumpy bat on it |
| 07:09.08 | WobWork | "Where are my sodding crickets?" is a perfect catchphrase for the office |
| 07:09.13 | Jerub | i'm doing watchful/dagnerous i think. |
| 07:09.28 | WobWork | er, sulky bat |
| 07:09.55 | WobWork | Ambition: Hearts Desire |
| 07:10.42 | WobWork | d:33/w:44/s:6/p:45 |
| 07:11.32 | Jerub | you have shadowy 6? that's... wow |
| 07:11.41 | Amarande | hmm, what crappy quest reward does this guy have to offer! |
| 07:11.43 | WobWork | yeah, I did watchful/pers to start with |
| 07:11.48 | Amarande | ahh, yes! spellpower plate! :P |
| 07:11.49 | WobWork | then moved onto dangerous |
| 07:11.58 | WobWork | after the ambition petered out |
| 07:12.03 | Jerub | i hate classic quest rewards in wow :( |
| 07:12.28 | Amarande | probably the one thing that sucked about outland |
| 07:12.32 | Amarande | way too much spellpower plate |
| 07:12.42 | Amarande | which is only useful for paladins, and now pretty much only for holy |
| 07:12.53 | Amarande | (does it still at least *work* for prot, or does SP not add to prot damage at all anymore?) |
| 07:13.11 | Amarande | remembers the once upon a time when prots needed at least a little bit of SP in order not to fail at tanking |
| 07:14.10 | Jerub | i'm at level 64 with 244 quests completed |
| 07:14.11 | Jerub | :D |
| 07:14.13 | Arrowmaster | it used to effect ret |
| 07:16.49 | Amarande | man, nether rays are lolsauce when you're fighting them with a class that is not a mana user :D |
| 07:17.05 | WobWork | nether rays |
| 07:17.10 | WobWork | the only issue they ever had |
| 07:17.14 | WobWork | was -not- killing them |
| 07:18.43 | Jerub | finally in outland i'm seeing classes outdps my warrior |
| 07:19.33 | Amarande | Jerub: people not bothering to get decent gear before that? :S |
| 07:20.00 | Amarande | though granted, gear upkeep can be kind of a chore pre 60, since azerothian quest rewards tend to suck |
| 07:20.51 | Amarande | not only do they tend to be only average greens, but due to the way ilvl worked in classic, doing a quest for your level gets you a green that would have been perfect ... five levels ago :| |
| 07:22.27 | Jerub | Amarande: dunno. |
| 07:22.36 | Jerub | Amarande: i was in blues since like 35 |
| 07:22.43 | Jerub | got rid of my last green around 40 |
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| 07:22.57 | Jerub | (started with LFD at 31) |
| 07:23.49 | WobWork | 2.bp.blogspot.com/_vyK5GHJv7-o/S-Ab0EFriRI/AAAAAAAAAB0/aSSadBYCEt4/s1600/dw_big.jpg <-- ho Deathwing |
| 07:23.53 | WobWork | (ps spoilers) |
| 07:24.01 | zenzio | looks pretty pwn |
| 07:24.49 | WobWork | I figured out a way, as a priest, to make the pulls on the initial ring of Occulus a breeze |
| 07:26.50 | Jerub | WobWork: hm? |
| 07:27.34 | Jerub | i want a thing that i can follow on twitter that will tell me what my weekly raid is |
| 07:28.15 | Jerub | speaking of which |
| 07:28.22 | Jerub | someone told me it was 'razuv' then went afk |
| 07:28.24 | Jerub | is that a naxx boss? |
| 07:28.51 | Jerub | oh, military quarter, yes. |
| 07:29.20 | WobWork | You know, how the initial ring in Occulus has all those stupid whelps? |
| 07:29.21 | zenzio | Instructor Razuvious |
| 07:29.27 | zenzio | pretty cool boss back in the day |
| 07:29.28 | Jerub | WobWork: yeah, i know the pulls. |
| 07:29.29 | WobWork | that make tanking utterly painful? |
| 07:29.44 | WobWork | as the healer, I stay at near max range behind the tank |
| 07:29.47 | Jerub | WobWork: yes, kinda. i spam swipe and run around. |
| 07:29.55 | WobWork | then as he charges in, I shield him and back up |
| 07:30.07 | WobWork | so it pulls all the ahead whelps back towards the tank |
| 07:30.25 | WobWork | then fade/bubble and the tank takes care of the rest now they're bunched up |
| 07:30.50 | Jerub | WobWork: meh, i've found drawing agro as healer was ineffective as a tactic. |
| 07:31.00 | WobWork | it works -really- well for those pulls |
| 07:31.12 | WobWork | because the tank doesn't have to run around wildly and spam swipe |
| 07:31.58 | WobWork | I suspect a hunter could do the same tactic |
| 07:32.23 | Jerub | i just wnat a cure for people kicking my wife when she tanks. |
| 07:32.25 | WobWork | run into range of the furthest whelp, multishot and run back |
| 07:32.28 | Jerub | 4k gs != fail. |
| 07:32.36 | Jerub | 4k gs = needs to tank more instances for emblems. |
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| 07:32.57 | WobWork | is that mostly ilvl 200 items? |
| 07:33.04 | WobWork | Or greens as well |
| 07:33.14 | Jerub | she was getting kicked for 3T9, 2T8.5, and like 2 blues. |
| 07:33.28 | Jerub | heroic and badge gear. |
| 07:33.29 | WobWork | who the hell kicks a tank? |
| 07:33.43 | Jerub | she nearly broke down in tears when i happened twice in a row. |
| 07:33.46 | WobWork | oh well, it's not like she'll have long queue times |
| 07:33.53 | WobWork | what's her hp? |
| 07:33.58 | Jerub | 29k |
| 07:34.01 | WobWork | pft |
| 07:34.06 | olafski | wobwork: if you get kicked, don't you get the 30 minute debuff? |
| 07:34.10 | WobWork | I healed a pally at 21k the other day |
| 07:34.19 | Jerub | yeah, she's a pally tank |
| 07:34.21 | WobWork | no, that's the deserter debuff, I believe |
| 07:34.25 | WobWork | if you leave |
| 07:34.30 | olafski | hm I thought it happened if you get kicked as well |
| 07:34.35 | olafski | never been kicked I think =( |
| 07:34.36 | WobWork | So did I, but apparently not |
| 07:34.41 | Jerub | the shitty one is the only-kick-1-person-per-30-minutes |
| 07:34.43 | Jerub | had 2 afk in a group |
| 07:34.55 | olafski | really? we kicked two people in a row the other day |
| 07:35.01 | WobWork | Jerub: that's when you MD to them |
| 07:35.06 | WobWork | so they at least have to pay repair bills |
| 07:35.19 | olafski | had two guys who wouldn't choose a role when someone had left |
| 07:35.21 | Jerub | WobWork: you know how you have to move with ick+crick? |
| 07:35.22 | olafski | were trying to be annoying |
| 07:35.39 | Jerub | WobWork: afk hunter on ick+crick. I healed him through it. |
| 07:35.42 | Jerub | flexes. |
| 07:35.43 | WobWork | also, if you've been in the instance for something like 30min, noone gets a debuff |
| 07:35.45 | Jerub | (heroic) |
| 07:36.02 | WobWork | well, as a hunter, at least he mostly wasn't in range of the poison nova |
| 07:36.13 | Jerub | WobWork: yeah, i don't think that hit him. |
| 07:36.23 | Jerub | but exploding mines, poison spotches |
| 07:36.25 | WobWork | I -really- like disc healing |
| 07:36.43 | Jerub | let hi die after the fight was over in a poison splotch |
| 07:37.16 | WobWork | I had two ret pallies stand in the laser beam in HoS =( |
| 07:38.11 | Jerub | WobWork: did they live? |
| 07:38.24 | Jerub | lol |
| 07:38.42 | Jerub | i just rememberred i used to play yoyo with health bars healing H VH |
| 07:38.49 | Jerub | back when i first dinged 80 |
| 07:38.57 | Jerub | i can't do that anymore :( |
| 07:50.55 | WobWork | no =P |
| 07:50.58 | WobWork | I told them |
| 07:51.03 | WobWork | "Don't stand in the laser beam" |
| 07:51.06 | WobWork | and they did |
| 07:51.09 | WobWork | so I healed the tank |
| 07:51.30 | WobWork | later I told them. "Don't stand in the Lightning Ring" |
| 07:51.33 | WobWork | and they did |
| 07:51.37 | WobWork | So I healed the tank |
| 07:51.54 | WobWork | unfortunately on that boss, I generally have to focus on the tank at that point |
| 07:52.47 | WobWork | since the tank -can't- get away from the nova effect |
| 07:52.49 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 07:52.50 | Fisker | lasers |
| 07:52.54 | WobWork | yeah |
| 07:52.56 | WobWork | goddamn lasers |
| 07:53.06 | WobWork | apparently powerless against ret pallies |
| 07:53.10 | WobWork | from the Pandion Knights |
| 07:53.35 | WobWork | I probably was warned when I zoned in to just before the gauntlet, with the other healer and tank corpses at my feet =P |
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| 08:03.06 | StijnH | Hello :) |
| 08:03.15 | Cairenn | hi |
| 08:03.45 | StijnH | Just got started with oUF. And something's not right. I tell a frame to have a width of 20, but it's more like 26. UI Scaling is disabled. Any ideas? |
| 08:04.28 | Cairenn | pokes haste |
| 08:05.25 | haste | pokes Cairenn |
| 08:05.37 | Cairenn | haste: ^^ |
| 08:05.40 | haste | oh |
| 08:05.47 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:05.56 | haste | StijnH: I can only guess without you posting any code |
| 08:06.06 | StijnH | Ok one sec |
| 08:06.27 | haste | busy putting up thin clients at work right now, so no time to be guessing :) |
| 08:06.39 | haste | I also have horrible ssh lag atm :( |
| 08:06.46 | StijnH | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136168 |
| 08:06.58 | StijnH | I got that sample code from the WoW forums, only thing I changed is the width and height |
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| 08:13.44 | haste | StijnH: how are you measuring the frame's width? |
| 08:14.01 | haste | StijnH: using :GetWidth() on it or through an external program? |
| 08:14.40 | StijnH | screenshot and paint |
| 08:14.57 | StijnH | If I make it 100 width, in paint it shows 131 |
| 08:15.10 | StijnH | I'll try GetWidth, one sec |
| 08:16.07 | StijnH | Width 100 width, GetWidth reports 99.something |
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| 08:16.33 | StijnH | I play in Windowed mode without UI scale, if that would matter |
| 08:18.18 | haste | StijnH: the values in WoW isn't pixels |
| 08:18.47 | haste | StijnH: the ui is always represented as 1024 (and 1280 Ifor widescreen I think) x 768 |
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| 08:19.28 | haste | GetWidth returns floats, so getting 99.999888898 is okey :p |
| 08:20.44 | StijnH | Yeah I figured that :) When I set width to 1280, it almost covers all of the screen's width, while my actual resolution is 1920. So that's something I didn't know. |
| 08:22.55 | StijnH | I'm using an existing oUF layout as an example too. It sets a width of 240, and the author's screenshot does have 240, but it also has this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136169 |
| 08:23.00 | StijnH | Do I want to use that? |
| 08:23.38 | haste | generally forcing uiScale is bad practice |
| 08:23.53 | haste | what that code does is set the UIScale to match your current resolutions pixel grid |
| 08:24.31 | StijnH | Ok |
| 08:24.35 | haste | it gives you so called pixel perfect positioning, at the loss of scale control |
| 08:25.33 | zenzio | the beauty of the net... when websites stop loading half-way through because your browser is "Connecting to ..." |
| 08:26.19 | haste | zenzio: followed by ad.strstrstrsrfr.com |
| 08:26.30 | zenzio | ad* or poll* |
| 08:26.36 | haste | :D |
| 08:27.20 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
| 08:28.27 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck at that 768/string.match(({GetScreenResolutions()})[GetCurrentResolution()], "%d+x(%d+)") |
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| 08:29.22 | Arrowmaster | !api GetScreenResolutions() |
| 08:29.23 | lua_bot | GetScreenResolutions: Returns a list of available screen resolutions (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetScreenResolutions) |
| 08:29.54 | Arrowmaster | !api GetCurrentResolution() |
| 08:29.54 | lua_bot | GetCurrentResolution: Returns the index of the current resolution setting (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCurrentResolution) |
| 08:30.26 | StijnH | Arrowmaster: not my code :p it's from oUF_korn3r |
| 08:30.37 | Maldivia | wouldn't select(GetCurrentResolution(), GetScreenResolutions()) have been cleaner? |
| 08:30.49 | Arrowmaster | well even those pages on wowprogramming.com show how to do it better |
| 08:30.52 | Arrowmaster | Maldivia: yes |
| 08:31.06 | Arrowmaster | but still i would have though there was a better way to get the resolution |
| 08:32.55 | StijnH | Just found out that WoW uses 1365x853 as resolution, instead of 1920x1200. Big difference :) But thank you for all the info, not knowing that gave me a puzzled look :p |
| 08:33.21 | zenzio | to be specifc, the WoW UI pretends it runs at that resolution |
| 08:34.15 | Arrowmaster | this is part of the reason we hate doing guis |
| 08:34.42 | haste | Maldivia, Arrowmaster: using the CVar would also work |
| 08:34.49 | haste | which is a string 1024x768 |
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| 08:51.00 | Shirik | .... |
| 08:51.02 | Shirik | unblock request |
| 08:51.16 | Shirik | I know that u r out there. R there any black administrators in Wikimedia ? There must be, as Wikim is so large. |
| 08:51.16 | Shirik | Say, black administrators....do u still remember the tired old black lady, who had refused to give up her seat in the bus to the whites, n she was later arrested and charged in court....n that started the American Civil Rights Movement ? ! |
| 08:51.19 | haste | You broke it! |
| 08:51.55 | Shirik | Anyway, coming back into focus.....so I just wrote this hard-hitting but true article, n I got BLOCKED ! |
| 08:51.55 | Shirik | Any black administrators out there....n do u still remember this great but tired old black lady, n Dr. Martin Luther King.......who fought for equal rights n justice, right up to the point that u Americans now have an African-American President ( something unimaginable n unthinkable a mere 50 or maybe even 30 / 20 years ago ).....come on, u black administrators....please unblock me. |
| 08:52.14 | Fisker | you know what is awesome haste ? |
| 08:52.22 | Fisker | I just got a switch and an ethernet cable |
| 08:52.33 | haste | up your ass? |
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| 08:52.34 | Fisker | So i cut open the package and find out that i cut in the cable as well |
| 08:52.35 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:52.40 | haste | :D |
| 08:52.40 | Fisker | Because the packaging was fail |
| 08:52.41 | zenzio | noob |
| 08:52.48 | Wobin | ahah http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/theweaselking/main5/3f61a949.gif |
| 08:52.51 | haste | II've seen the same with xbox live headset |
| 08:53.39 | zenzio | I don't get that one Wobin |
| 08:53.49 | Wobin | zenzio, keep watching |
| 08:53.50 | haste | you've never done kitting :p ? |
| 08:54.40 | zenzio | kitting or knitting? I've not done either as far as I'm aware, and I don't know what "purl" has to do with it |
| 08:57.34 | zenzio | looks like Fisker cut his other ethernet cable too |
| 08:58.09 | haste | zenzio: knitting (strikking) |
| 08:58.42 | zenzio | I thought so, but I still haven't done it. Is purl a part of doing that? |
| 08:59.13 | haste | yes, but I' not sure what we call it in norwegian |
| 08:59.23 | Shirik | Sounds like the opener was fail, Fisk |
| 08:59.25 | Shirik | e |
| 08:59.27 | Shirik | where did he go |
| 08:59.48 | zenzio | look about six lines up Shirik |
| 08:59.56 | Shirik | fuuuuuuuuu |
| 08:59.58 | Shirik | I'm going to sleep |
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| 09:05.44 | olafski | <Deadly Boss Mods> Hey, are u a programmer or good with languages? If yes, the DBM Team realy need your help to keep DBM the best BossMod in WoW. Join the Team by clicking on www.deadlybossmods.com or send a message to tandanu@deadlybossmods.com or nitram@deadlybossmods.com. <-- raaage :( |
| 09:06.14 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 09:07.02 | Arrowmaster | why dont they just add 'if you can copy and paste from BigWigs' to that |
| 09:07.27 | Trela | XD |
| 09:07.34 | Trela | uses BigWigs personally. |
| 09:08.27 | jnwhiteh | Is AVR really good? |
| 09:08.40 | jnwhiteh | I dont run many dungeons or raids, but use DBM for them |
| 09:09.22 | Wobin | avr is probably good for progression raids that are ahead of the pack |
| 09:09.27 | jnwhiteh | ah okay |
| 09:09.31 | jnwhiteh | i'll be at the back of the pack |
| 09:09.34 | jnwhiteh | and will stop once I'm in the beta |
| 09:09.42 | Wobin | ie, those encounters where there -aren't- already hundreds of youtube videos of tactics |
| 09:10.23 | jnwhiteh | heheh |
| 09:11.39 | batrick | morning |
| 09:12.23 | jnwhiteh | morning. |
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| 09:16.27 | StijnH | A few of my guild used it for Prof P 25 heroic, they said it helped, but I personally see no use for it |
| 09:22.01 | olafski | arrowmaster: what bothers me most is that it has so many typos.. doesn't really bode well for the people you'd be developing with |
| 09:22.51 | olafski | not to mention I bet not even 5% of the people who use DBM can actually program, the other 95% just have 4 lines of spam whenever they log in :P |
| 09:23.24 | Arrowmaster | olafski: you do know that they have done things in the past like directly copy and paste modules from BigWigs then edit them just enough to work with DBM instead of BigWigs right? |
| 09:23.41 | NeoTron | AVR + AVRE is pretty damn cool |
| 09:23.41 | olafski | I have no idea |
| 09:24.05 | Fisker | To be honest the only thing awesome with AVR(E) is that it marks circles for stuff like the slimes on rotface |
| 09:24.13 | Fisker | when the ooze explodes |
| 09:24.25 | NeoTron | well.. exactly |
| 09:24.27 | Fisker | it's useful because you can check exactly where to stand while still dps'ing the boss |
| 09:24.30 | NeoTron | considering that is waht it does :P |
| 09:24.37 | Fisker | It's still doable with normal range addons though |
| 09:24.46 | Fisker | Just way better presentable using AVR |
| 09:24.49 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/10562000?hd=1 |
| 09:24.52 | Wobin | man this is awesome |
| 09:24.53 | Fisker | the rest is really not that big a deal |
| 09:24.56 | NeoTron | it's also hand to get, say, a line pointing to the spikes in (esp hard mode) marro |
| 09:25.01 | Amarande | yay, done with zangar |
| 09:25.01 | Wobin | very impressed by their work |
| 09:25.11 | NeoTron | mainly since you immediately see if it's on a hunter behind you |
| 09:25.11 | Amarande | except for the instances, which I will do tomorrow since I need sleep :) |
| 09:25.40 | batrick | jnwhiteh: I miss the strength of the coffee in Brazil : / |
| 09:25.50 | Amarande | Neo, why was it that the first thing I thought when you said 'a hunter behind you' was such things as Resident Evil or L4D? :) |
| 09:25.52 | jnwhiteh | Italian coffee is better |
| 09:25.55 | jnwhiteh | but yes =/ |
| 09:27.38 | Wobin | http://starwars.tomtom.com/voices/ |
| 09:27.58 | Wobin | rofl at the second Darth Vader one |
| 09:28.59 | olafski | wow they actually got JEJ to do stuff like that :D |
| 09:29.32 | olafski | pretty cool though I bet that gets annoying |
| 09:30.27 | olafski | would be better if he'd just stick to the script |
| 09:32.20 | Wobin | holy crap: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2957272/Bedbound-by-my-big-boobs.html |
| 09:33.40 | batrick | that's incredible... |
| 09:34.30 | batrick | there's no wikipedia page for Bilateral Gynecomastia |
| 09:34.35 | batrick | get on it Shirik ^^^ |
| 09:34.37 | batrick | !!! |
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| 09:39.23 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/052010/farewell.jpg |
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| 09:40.27 | batrick | open (source) media rapes |
| 09:41.00 | Guest12345 | hi |
| 09:41.12 | Guest12345 | have a problem with http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136170 |
| 09:41.30 | Guest12345 | it won't run, but it won't ruin the normal function either |
| 09:41.43 | Wobin | jesus =P http://www.buzzfeed.com/styster/jump-rope-world-record-broken-b6y |
| 09:41.58 | Wobin | just the organisation required |
| 09:41.59 | batrick | Guest12345: not sure if that's allowed |
| 09:42.13 | Guest12345 | if what's allowed? |
| 09:42.15 | batrick | settings scripts on the world frame that is |
| 09:42.29 | Guest12345 | you can hook em |
| 09:42.37 | batrick | ya i'm not really sure |
| 09:42.39 | batrick | just a guess |
| 09:42.57 | Guest12345 | i know some guy uses hookscript on it, and it works |
| 09:43.02 | Guest12345 | but since there is no script |
| 09:43.08 | Guest12345 | setscript should work just as well |
| 09:44.25 | Wobin | http://erooups.com/2010/04/21/50_most_popular_women_on_the_web_according_to_google_50_pics.html |
| 09:44.35 | Wobin | when you see it... |
| 09:44.45 | Guest12345 | keylogger? :p |
| 09:46.28 | Guest12345 | justin bieber :D |
| 09:46.36 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 09:48.11 | Guest12345 | anyone else has a clue as to why http://wowuidev.pastey.net/136170 won't do shit |
| 09:50.08 | olafski | scarlett is 49? :o |
| 09:50.44 | Kalroth_ | eh? |
| 09:50.49 | Wobin | Guest12345, move the debug message outside the if statement |
| 09:50.54 | Wobin | and see if it's even getting called |
| 09:51.02 | Wobin | and if it is, have it dump the 'button' variable |
| 09:51.06 | Wobin | to see if you're checking the right thing |
| 09:51.13 | Guest12345 | oki |
| 09:52.11 | Guest12345 | should this work? message("You pressed"..button) |
| 09:52.41 | Wobin | is message() even a valid function? |
| 09:52.45 | Guest12345 | is |
| 09:52.47 | Guest12345 | just an old one |
| 09:52.55 | Wobin | then yes |
| 09:52.58 | Guest12345 | alright |
| 09:53.04 | Wobin | if the function gets called with the arguments you assigned |
| 09:53.37 | Guest12345 | it works, but it says 'button' is a nil value |
| 09:53.39 | Guest12345 | so |
| 09:53.43 | Guest12345 | arguments not being passed correctly |
| 09:53.46 | haste | Guest12345: generally testing before you ask is smart |
| 09:53.52 | Guest12345 | i did |
| 09:53.58 | Guest12345 | didn't think of this tho |
| 09:54.12 | Guest12345 | i copied the syntax from something i knew worked |
| 09:54.45 | Guest12345 | but yeah i'll do it better next time ;) |
| 09:56.00 | Guest12345 | anyways thanks Wobin and haste |
| 09:56.06 | Guest12345 | and batrick :D |
| 09:56.17 | Guest12345 | i'll mess around with this for a while |
| 09:57.54 | Spejnar | In cataclysm if you have over 9000 haste your dots will do all the dmg when you apply it |
| 09:59.10 | Spejnar | that bad? :( |
| 09:59.42 | Guest12345 | the new moonfire |
| 10:00.07 | Spejnar | meh, who needs moonfire when you have starfall |
| 10:00.27 | Guest12345 | to piss people off? |
| 10:00.32 | Spejnar | oh yes |
| 10:00.35 | Guest12345 | :D |
| 10:00.46 | Spejnar | and ofc you have typhoon to know people off LM |
| 10:00.52 | Spejnar | and thunderstorm |
| 10:00.57 | Spejnar | more awesome than winning |
| 10:01.15 | Spejnar | or just silence shotting the mage that thought he could jump and blink, muahaha |
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| 10:02.02 | Spejnar | if you managed to miss Frontline on WCM, go watch it. |
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| 10:15.56 | Fisker | You're killing me Wobin |
| 10:16.14 | Wobin | strumming your pain with my words |
| 10:16.30 | zenzio | killing him softly? |
| 10:16.58 | Fisker | fucking win Wobin |
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| 10:57.46 | jnwhiteh | are paladins interesting to level at all |
| 10:57.48 | jnwhiteh | or are they still stupid |
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| 11:01.54 | jnwhiteh | I can make any class, I just need to level in Nelfland with my friend. |
| 11:02.45 | StijnH | Been a while since I played my pala, but he's level 48 or so and I think Judge is the only thing you have to use |
| 11:03.22 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 11:03.25 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't sound interesting |
| 11:03.26 | jnwhiteh | maybe a rogue |
| 11:03.28 | jnwhiteh | or a priest. |
| 11:03.36 | jnwhiteh | spriests still boring until level 30 or so? |
| 11:04.24 | ZorbaBeta | jn, I've got a paladin up to level 16 and it's the most boring class I've played yet |
| 11:04.30 | jnwhiteh | good to know. |
| 11:04.34 | jnwhiteh | i'll be with a hunter |
| 11:04.38 | jnwhiteh | maybe a shaman |
| 11:04.41 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know if it changes higher up |
| 11:04.49 | ZorbaBeta | but I've got like three panic buttons and one "do something useful" button. |
| 11:04.56 | ZorbaBeta | I do not need three panic buttons |
| 11:05.01 | ZorbaBeta | I want more "do something useful" buttons. |
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| 11:20.05 | Fisker | jnwhiteh they're still stupid |
| 11:20.20 | Fisker | Shamans are somewhat stupid though |
| 11:20.23 | Fisker | as well i mean |
| 11:20.26 | krka | any opinions on the REPL styled interpreter? http://github.com/downloads/krka/kahlua2/kahlua2-repl1.jnlp |
| 11:20.30 | Fisker | But i believe it gets better around level 40 |
| 11:20.47 | ZorbaBeta | I seem to recall shamans get good the instant you get dualwield |
| 11:20.48 | Fisker | For paladins you're basically screwed up until like level 55ish i believe |
| 11:21.12 | ZorbaBeta | in fairness I think it depends on what spec you are |
| 11:21.20 | ZorbaBeta | if you're holy, they get good when 4.0 is released. |
| 11:21.26 | ZorbaBeta | (and no sooner) |
| 11:22.02 | Fisker | Well crusader is going baseline now |
| 11:22.15 | olafski | I guess ret starts getting more interesting around 20.. but still not that interesting |
| 11:22.37 | olafski | (crusader is 20, at least you can kill 3 mobs at once then :P) |
| 11:23.03 | olafski | but given that a hunter will kill most mobs before you get to them if you're melee it might be better to roll a ranged class =) |
| 11:23.16 | Fisker | What the hell are you smoking? :P |
| 11:23.23 | Fisker | Crusader Strike is level 50ish |
| 11:23.30 | olafski | I meant seal of the crusader |
| 11:23.35 | olafski | but I think I actually meant seal of command :P |
| 11:23.36 | Fisker | seal of command? |
| 11:23.46 | Fisker | meh doesn't change much really |
| 11:23.46 | ZorbaBeta | olafski you are terrible :P |
| 11:23.54 | olafski | :( |
| 11:24.01 | Fisker | i don't know how it is at the lower levels but basically SoR is better than SoC for single target |
| 11:26.13 | olafski | mm yeah.. pull more than one mob I guess |
| 11:26.18 | olafski | since you'll be taking ages to kill them at first anyway |
| 11:26.32 | ZorbaBeta | you get Consecrate at 20 also, and that certainly helps the whole AoE thing |
| 11:27.09 | ZorbaBeta | also seriously people |
| 11:27.10 | ZorbaBeta | "doing [8 * (9 + 0.04 * SPH + 0.04 * AP)] Holy damage" |
| 11:27.15 | ZorbaBeta | ALGEBRA, FUCKERS. LEARN IT |
| 11:28.31 | olafski | you're saying that should be 72 + 0.32*(SPH+AP)? |
| 11:28.55 | olafski | I assume this comes from blizzard? or is it wowhead that makes up these formulas that show up in their tooltips |
| 11:29.42 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, or even 72 + 0.32 * SPH + 0.32 * AP |
| 11:30.01 | ZorbaBeta | I don't really know where the formulas come from |
| 11:30.14 | olafski | I've seen worse formulas in those spells |
| 11:30.16 | ZorbaBeta | oh wait I get it, okay, that's not *entirely* stupid |
| 11:30.20 | ZorbaBeta | it's 8 seconds, so it's 8 ticks |
| 11:30.22 | olafski | with stuff like 5+6+7 etc |
| 11:30.24 | ZorbaBeta | tickcount * damage_per_tick |
| 11:30.29 | Fisker | ZorbaBeta you're still fucked since you have no mana regen before judgement of the wise |
| 11:30.45 | olafski | yeah that's annoying |
| 11:30.46 | Fisker | and you're fucked on exorcism until you get art of war |
| 11:31.03 | olafski | I used exorcism to pull generally |
| 11:31.12 | ZorbaBeta | I really feel like mana classes should get their mana regen abilities *very* early |
| 11:31.12 | olafski | exorcism, taunt, judge |
| 11:31.36 | olafski | could use seal of wisdom :) |
| 11:34.33 | olafski | could also just roll a prot paladin and do some dungeons with that hunter ;) |
| 11:41.19 | jnwhiteh | gonna go shaman, so i can ele/resto |
| 11:41.29 | jnwhiteh | meh |
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| 11:58.25 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
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| 12:15.48 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: Fisker |
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| 12:15.58 | Fisker | omg |
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| 12:38.00 | Cairenn | Morning Lopeppeppy |
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| 12:39.57 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Cairenn! Happy Tequila Day! |
| 12:40.03 | Cairenn | :) |
| 12:40.17 | Cairenn | That sounds like a totally excellent idea |
| 12:42.51 | Lopeppeppy | Had my mojito last night, the last alcohol in the house. I am now a dry campus. Rawr. |
| 12:43.16 | zenzio | but what are the cats going to drink while you're at work now? |
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| 12:44.38 | olafski | did google just get a new layout? |
| 12:45.27 | zenzio | not that I can see |
| 12:45.38 | zenzio | what are you seeing differently? |
| 12:46.03 | Lopeppeppy | Looks normal to me. They change their logo all the time, otherwise, it's pretty standard. |
| 12:46.05 | olafski | a tab on the left |
| 12:46.19 | olafski | I'll make a screenie |
| 12:47.20 | olafski | http://130.89.168.156/google.png |
| 12:47.36 | zenzio | http://comixed.com/2010/05/04/4-koma-comic-strip-the-birds-and-the-bees/ |
| 12:48.09 | olafski | :P |
| 12:48.22 | zenzio | looks slightly like a modified "Show options" bar |
| 12:48.42 | zenzio | but I don't see it on my Google (if it's new, it may not have rolled over to the local Google site here yet) |
| 12:49.33 | olafski | hm |
| 12:49.41 | olafski | it wasn't there this morning I think :P |
| 12:49.55 | olafski | also @code is searched for as code instead =( |
| 12:50.31 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, it's an experimental thing that they're pushing to some people |
| 12:50.35 | ZorbaBeta | it may vanish again shortly |
| 12:50.39 | ZorbaBeta | congrats, you're in a testing block |
| 12:51.13 | Lopeppeppy | Vanish, working as intended!! |
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| 12:52.00 | olafski | yay zorbabeta :) |
| 12:55.25 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/russianplumberdoesntunderstandwhypeo.jpg |
| 12:55.52 | olafski | I don't get it :( |
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| 12:58.18 | Lopeppeppy | He looks like Dr. House from the annoying TV show. |
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| 13:00.33 | olafski | oh |
| 13:00.39 | olafski | that figures, I've never seen that show :P |
| 13:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | It's never lupus |
| 13:02.27 | Fisker | neither have i olafski |
| 13:02.29 | Fisker | and i got it |
| 13:02.30 | Fisker | so you suck |
| 13:02.56 | zenzio | do want: http://dailysquee.com/2010/05/04/cute-baby-animal-spotted/ |
| 13:04.28 | Lopeppeppy | No, they grow up too big and hungryful. |
| 13:04.41 | Lopeppeppy | But if I can feed Kendra to them, that would be awesome. She's a right royal wench. |
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| 13:05.40 | zenzio | heh, she not behaving herself? |
| 13:06.11 | Lopeppeppy | She's aggressive toward Rosie 24/7, it gets tiring for Rosie and I. |
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| 13:06.33 | olafski | fisker: I don't spend half my day on 4chan either.. maybe that's where you got it |
| 13:06.59 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: still not used to not being the only princess in the house? |
| 13:07.46 | Lopeppeppy | Going on our third month of it, and yeah, still hates not being an only cat. |
| 13:08.16 | Fisker | i just saw it olafski |
| 13:08.22 | Fisker | and i don't spend half my day on 4chan either |
| 13:14.48 | Lopeppeppy | This frightens me. http://thereifixedit.com/2010/05/04/epic-kludge-photo-take-that-overpriced-water-cooling-systems/ |
| 13:15.14 | Lopeppeppy | I once had a guildmate ask me if he should just open his case and squirt in some freon, if that would help the cooling system... This reminds me of him. |
| 13:15.43 | airtonix | should of said yes |
| 13:15.53 | airtonix | or did you ? |
| 13:16.01 | Fisker | i don't see the issue ;3 |
| 13:16.33 | airtonix | whats the point of the water bottle ? |
| 13:16.41 | airtonix | get rid of air bubbles ? |
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| 13:17.02 | airtonix | create a potential spill disaster ? |
| 13:17.13 | Lopeppeppy | Make me die laughing. |
| 13:18.22 | Fisker | i'm cold |
| 13:18.24 | Fisker | brrrrrrrr |
| 13:18.56 | Lopeppeppy | Me too, Fisker. they turned on the AC, and then the temps went down to the 50's again. Brrrrr. |
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| 14:01.08 | cog|away | Top 'o teh marnin' te ya |
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| 14:02.30 | Lopeppeppy | ... wrong accent for the holiday, dear. |
| 14:02.36 | cogwheel | yeth |
| 14:02.53 | cogwheel | i get to eat mrs cog's tacos tonight |
| 14:03.07 | zenzio | that's a funny thing to call it |
| 14:03.41 | Cide | plural? strange |
| 14:03.55 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice! *laugh* |
| 14:04.10 | cogwheel | best. tortillas. evar. http://www.latortillafactory.com/products-ltf-hms-tortillas.aspx |
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| 14:04.50 | Fisker | i tortilla u specialist cogwheel |
| 14:05.08 | cogwheel | din mor, my !friend, din mor. |
| 14:05.14 | Cide | ouch |
| 14:05.15 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot have tortillas! Or tacos. |
| 14:06.32 | Ackis | slaps Fisker in the face causing massive swelling and bleeding. |
| 14:06.50 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 14:06.57 | Fisker | cogwheel is hurting my eFeelings |
| 14:07.16 | cogwheel | this is the sound of Ackis eCaring: |
| 14:07.39 | Fisker | i'll find you cogwheel |
| 14:07.51 | Ackis | ~cogwheel++ |
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| 14:46.35 | robotusch | argh |
| 14:46.49 | robotusch | apparently my Objective frame is tracking something I've already completed |
| 14:46.53 | robotusch | so I can't make it go away |
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| 14:51.21 | alestane | What I've noticed is that the count of objectives being tracked doesn't always reset when you complete one. |
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| 14:52.25 | Lopeppeppy | Persistence is persistent? |
| 14:54.27 | alestane | Pretty much, hon. |
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| 14:55.32 | alestane | Not sure if there's an event that ti should be responding to but isn't, or it is responding but the response doesn't include the right update, or if a mod could fix it by just rechecking the tracking count occasionally. |
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| 15:04.30 | Ackis | Fisker: http://www.destructoid.com/facebook-battle-net-integration-revealed-172910.phtml HA HA |
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| 15:05.56 | olafski | lol |
| 15:06.02 | olafski | that sounds so useful |
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| 15:09.53 | jnwhiteh | one of the very few addons I have is auto-accepting quests for me. |
| 15:09.56 | jnwhiteh | i find this annoying |
| 15:10.00 | jnwhiteh | because it doesn't do a good job of it. |
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| 15:11.38 | olafski | should be easy to find out which, if you don't have a lot :) |
| 15:11.52 | Lopeppeppy | How does an addon do a bad job of accepting a quest? It's a yes/no question. |
| 15:13.00 | cogwheel | jnwhiteh: on a new toon? |
| 15:14.11 | cogwheel | if so i think that's built in for characters below level 10ish |
| 15:14.28 | cogwheel | as of one of the recent leveling improvement patches |
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| 15:18.01 | foxlit | So, it's raining SC2 beta keys |
| 15:18.21 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: it doesn't hide the 'accept quest' window |
| 15:18.24 | jnwhiteh | whe it does it |
| 15:18.25 | jnwhiteh | which is fail |
| 15:18.37 | cogwheel | /agree |
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| 15:24.27 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: it has a realease date of 2 months or so, stress test time |
| 15:26.32 | Fisker | i like you jnwhiteh |
| 15:26.55 | Bruners | and i like you |
| 15:26.59 | Fisker | NO! |
| 15:27.07 | Fisker | But yeah the auto-accept quest thingy is kinda annoying |
| 15:27.15 | Fisker | i really don't see why it was made |
| 15:27.22 | foxlit | I do. |
| 15:27.25 | Aqua | yea, because it accepts the quest and the window is still open.. |
| 15:27.28 | foxlit | They really want you to accept some quests. |
| 15:27.39 | airtonix | http://www.icanhasmotivation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/noyou.jpg |
| 15:27.54 | airtonix | hi fisker |
| 15:27.54 | Fisker | who says you're going to visit the NPC and click him? |
| 15:27.54 | foxlit | Has to do with goblin/worgen starting zones, iirc. |
| 15:28.19 | Fisker | hi airtonix |
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| 15:28.51 | Aqua | so are they gonna try and push battle.net 2.0 integration for wow before sc2 launch? |
| 15:29.04 | Cide | we can only guess |
| 15:29.19 | Fisker | It'll probably come in 3.3.5 |
| 15:29.45 | Aqua | with ruby sanctum |
| 15:30.06 | Fisker | i'd figure that their only goal is to atleast get it out before Starcraft 2 is released |
| 15:30.29 | Fisker | If that then happens to be a month before release, then so be it |
| 15:30.58 | Aqua | idk even know whats on the ptr right now |
| 15:31.11 | Fisker | nothing |
| 15:31.23 | Fisker | cataclysm alpha just started though |
| 15:31.30 | Aqua | yea, i heard that |
| 15:31.53 | Aqua | but its so wraped up by nda you won't see much about it |
| 15:31.58 | Fisker | i can't recall but i believe in the past there was issues with running PTR's and Alpha/Betas at the same time |
| 15:32.06 | Fisker | because they share login server or so |
| 15:32.31 | Fisker | But it's probably fixed with battle.net with portals |
| 15:32.33 | Thunder_Child | gues we will find out...assuming they ptr 3.3.5 |
| 15:32.42 | Thunder_Child | guess* |
| 15:33.22 | Aqua | remains to be seen, i just figured with a change like that they would have it in testing somewhere publically long before deployment |
| 15:33.48 | Aqua | although they might be testing it with the cata alpha who knows |
| 15:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | There were so many myths in that sentence, I nearly snarfed my Mountain Dew. |
| 15:35.28 | Aqua | w/e you mean by that, good thing you didn't waiste any moutain dew |
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| 15:39.39 | Thunder_Child | snarf usually means to eat quickly |
| 15:40.08 | alestane | In this case I think it means to eject through one's nose. |
| 15:40.08 | Wobin | or 'snort-laugh- |
| 15:40.15 | Wobin | ' |
| 15:41.15 | Fisker | that's what she said alestane |
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| 15:46.18 | Fisker | it was funny alestane :( |
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| 16:04.05 | DWSR | YO MAMA. |
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| 16:04.22 | DWSR | WTB new ZP |
| 16:04.53 | airtonix | Zoroastrian Prophecy? |
| 16:04.59 | DWSR | har har. |
| 16:05.16 | airtonix | Zealotry Praise ? |
| 16:05.17 | DWSR | Oh, it's actually posted. |
| 16:05.19 | DWSR | Wonderful. :) |
| 16:06.16 | airtonix | Zucchini Paste |
| 16:06.25 | airtonix | mmm nomnomnom |
| 16:08.20 | Thunder_Child | Zee Panzerkampfwagen |
| 16:10.10 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13200796713&sid=1 <-i don't like this |
| 16:10.13 | DWSR | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1684-Splinter-Cell-Conviction |
| 16:10.14 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 16:10.22 | DWSR | He fucking ripped SC:C appart. |
| 16:10.24 | DWSR | apart* |
| 16:10.50 | Fisker | i'm actually happy they put in DRM |
| 16:10.55 | Fisker | that gave me a reason to not buy it |
| 16:11.48 | Bruners | Fisker: why don't you like DRM !? |
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| 16:12.10 | DWSR | I can't tell if you're trying to troll for lulz or if you're being serious and in doing so, trolling. |
| 16:13.20 | airtonix | DRM Workers Socialist Regime |
| 16:13.26 | Bruners | DWSR: it's Fisker i'm talking to, what ever we do it will lead to trolling |
| 16:13.52 | DWSR | Yeah, but you're trying to troll /him/. |
| 16:14.05 | DWSR | That's like getting a facial from a leper. |
| 16:14.13 | DWSR | s/getting/giving/ |
| 16:14.24 | DWSR | Whatever. |
| 16:14.32 | airtonix | lol |
| 16:15.04 | Fisker | btw DWSR |
| 16:15.05 | airtonix | Don't write sarcastic remarks |
| 16:15.08 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uieh_3Fl8x4 <-this is how stupid they are |
| 16:17.51 | Fisker | it's especially funny in the only stealth mission in the game |
| 16:18.00 | Fisker | As long as you don't get spotted you can shoot out lights and shit |
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| 16:18.15 | Fisker | and if guards are nearby they'll respond with their random "WE KNOW YOU'RE HERE FISHER"-gibberish |
| 16:18.22 | Lunessa | Station. I bring you words of awesomeness from Seattle: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011740342_electronboy30m.html |
| 16:18.31 | DWSR | Lunessa: Old. |
| 16:18.45 | Lunessa | Doesn't matter. Awesome never gets stale. |
| 16:18.48 | Fisker | But the fun thing is that the entire mission is setup as they DON'T know you're there, and if they FIND OUT you're there, they'll just put the building into lockdown |
| 16:18.52 | cogwheel | Lunessa: you owe me a day of having Fernando stuck in my head! |
| 16:18.57 | Fisker | So they obviously know i'm there, yet they don't put the building in lockdown |
| 16:18.58 | Fisker | hoho |
| 16:19.06 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Next on the agenda, Dancing Queen. |
| 16:19.13 | cogwheel | btdt |
| 16:19.27 | Lunessa | Then "Money, Money, Money" go go go |
| 16:19.29 | cogwheel | that's what i tried to cure it with >< |
| 16:20.16 | Lunessa | cogwheel: FAIL! The only cure for ABBA is Queen. |
| 16:21.07 | airtonix | or a shotgun |
| 16:21.35 | Fisker | so what do you think? |
| 16:21.37 | Fisker | DWSR |
| 16:21.43 | DWSR | Fisker: /shrug/. |
| 16:21.47 | Fisker | it was awesome |
| 16:21.54 | DWSR | It was lulzy. |
| 16:21.55 | Fisker | "lets run into that door he'll slam into my head" |
| 16:23.14 | Lopeppeppy | Dancing Queen! |
| 16:23.30 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I thought you said your house was dry. |
| 16:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | It is. I weep over the fact already. |
| 16:23.54 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: When did you have your first revelation that there was potentially something deeply wrong with Ackis? |
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| 16:25.45 | Torhal | So...pleading the Fifth... |
| 16:26.09 | zenzelezz | "Pressure Mounts On ICANN To Approve .xxx Domain"... why? Do they really think the porn sites will want to move to .xxx when .com is working fine? |
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| 16:26.41 | Torhal | zenzelezz: People are stoopid. And you _know_ this. |
| 16:26.55 | nevcairiel | Alot of new domain names, and all free |
| 16:27.01 | nevcairiel | i bet registrars are already selling out names |
| 16:27.25 | zenzelezz | but no-one's going to type somecelebritysnamewithonesmalltypo.xxx |
| 16:27.47 | olafski | well, at least you can register all the obvious porn names but with .xxx instead of .com |
| 16:28.22 | zenzelezz | someone should register sex.xxx or porn.xxx and use it for something entirely non-porn |
| 16:28.39 | nevcairiel | those domains will be expensive, so not me |
| 16:28.45 | Fisker | no.xxx |
| 16:30.13 | Lopeppeppy | expensive, trolled by hackers, and just very evil. |
| 16:30.47 | Fisker | you could always buy Lopeppeppy.xxx |
| 16:31.34 | Lopeppeppy | aggressively disinterested in running a porn site |
| 16:32.01 | olafski | I wouldn't mind running one if it makes me money :D |
| 16:32.02 | nevcairiel | the name doesnt suggest that you should run it |
| 16:32.13 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Slouken could run it. |
| 16:32.42 | Lopeppeppy | Mrs. Slouken is a wonderful lady to support his other interests, I doubt she'd go that far! :) |
| 16:33.00 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 16:35.35 | Lunessa | lolboobs.xxx? I don't think he wants to. |
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| 16:41.01 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/05/05/funny-pictures-teh-teenaged-kitteh/ - not as funny as http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/10/15/no-one-understands-emo-cat/ |
| 16:43.33 | DWSR | Oh my god. |
| 16:43.37 | DWSR | I looked at a comment on that page. |
| 16:43.44 | DWSR | It can't be unseen |
| 16:43.46 | nevcairiel | You're tainted now |
| 16:43.48 | nevcairiel | moves away |
| 16:43.54 | Lunessa | cogwheel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-5Xgkzb-f4 |
| 16:46.18 | cogwheel | feels Claratin Clear |
| 16:46.43 | cogwheel | s/ra/ri/ |
| 16:47.00 | nevcairiel | did google just change their default layout? |
| 16:47.18 | nevcairiel | it was still "normal" earlier today |
| 16:47.47 | cogwheel | i think it defaults to igoogle if you're logged into your google account |
| 16:48.07 | nevcairiel | not the start page |
| 16:48.10 | nevcairiel | the result page |
| 16:48.17 | nevcairiel | i also disabled igoogle |
| 16:48.35 | zenzelezz | think olafski was asking the same earlier |
| 16:48.37 | zenzelezz | someone was at least |
| 16:49.07 | cogwheel | i don't notice any particular difference |
| 16:49.16 | nevcairiel | hm google.com is still the old |
| 16:49.20 | nevcairiel | just .de looks different |
| 16:49.28 | nevcairiel | the logo is also more smooth |
| 16:49.34 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 16:50.01 | nevcairiel | www.google.de go check :P |
| 16:50.01 | zenzelezz | someone said Google was betaing a new layout on some users |
| 16:50.07 | zenzelezz | I know it happened to my brother a while ago |
| 16:50.30 | DWSR | nevcairiel: .de and .ca and .com all have the same layout for me. |
| 16:50.31 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: doesn't look different to me |
| 16:50.34 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, they do it all the time |
| 16:50.38 | Wobin | oh god DWSR |
| 16:50.40 | ZorbaBeta | it's based on IP and cookie and a bunch of things |
| 16:50.47 | Wobin | You read the icanhaz comments? |
| 16:50.50 | Wobin | you FOOL =( |
| 16:50.54 | DWSR | /a/. |
| 16:50.55 | nevcairiel | that would explain why i didnt see it at work |
| 16:50.59 | nevcairiel | but i kinda like it |
| 16:51.00 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: check your cookies... when it happened to my brother, Google set a cookie that said "hey, use the new one" |
| 16:51.03 | nevcairiel | not really sure |
| 16:52.17 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 16:52.20 | Fisker | Fisker me |
| 16:53.58 | DWSR | cogwheel: Also, it does not default to iG if you're signed into a google account. |
| 16:54.13 | cogwheel | it must've had a hiccup then |
| 16:56.16 | DWSR | Oh hai |
| 16:57.40 | Shirik | ohai |
| 16:58.33 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:58.41 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:59.31 | batrick | hey ;look |
| 16:59.33 | batrick | it's shirik! |
| 17:00.23 | Shirik | no it's not |
| 17:00.28 | batrick | it's raining SC2 Beta Keys?!?! does someone have a sparE? |
| 17:00.37 | batrick | blizzard doesn't love me :( |
| 17:00.58 | Cide | not raining keys for me :/ |
| 17:01.10 | batrick | qq :( |
| 17:02.11 | batrick | just had lunch with some of my coworkers who got beta keys :( |
| 17:02.24 | batrick | shirik surely you got spares! |
| 17:02.32 | batrick | for all your wikipedia good deeds |
| 17:02.39 | batrick | all that built up karma must have you overflowing |
| 17:02.41 | Shirik | because wikipedia == blizzard |
| 17:02.45 | Fisker | i got so many keys i shit beta e-mails |
| 17:02.47 | batrick | karma shirik |
| 17:02.51 | batrick | karmaaaaa |
| 17:02.53 | Shirik | ~karma Shirik |
| 17:02.53 | purl | shirik has karma of 7 |
| 17:02.58 | Shirik | oshi |
| 17:03.04 | nevcairiel | we need to fix that |
| 17:03.29 | batrick | zzz |
| 17:04.15 | Shirik | zzz |
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| 17:04.42 | Cide | ~karma Cide |
| 17:04.43 | purl | cide has karma of 9 |
| 17:04.50 | Cide | it was 10 before DWSR decremented it |
| 17:04.50 | batrick | ~karma batrick |
| 17:04.50 | purl | batrick has karma of 1 |
| 17:04.54 | batrick | ahhh :( |
| 17:04.55 | Cide | maybe he can increment it now again |
| 17:05.01 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.com/2010/05/04/funny-graphs-lies-damn-lies/ |
| 17:05.14 | DWSR | No, I put it back after |
| 17:05.16 | Ackis | Fisker: http://raptr.com/Ackis add me! |
| 17:05.25 | Ackis | ~Cide++ |
| 17:05.29 | Ackis | ~karma Cide |
| 17:05.29 | purl | cide has karma of 10 |
| 17:05.35 | Ackis | there you're 10 again! |
| 17:05.49 | batrick | ~Ackis+++ |
| 17:05.50 | olafski | hey you mentioned crackdown ackis |
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| 17:06.22 | batrick | Shirik: e4 |
| 17:06.36 | Shirik | black resigns. |
| 17:06.43 | batrick | ~shirik-- |
| 17:06.47 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:06.55 | batrick | bad karma for quitting early |
| 17:07.31 | batrick | it's not like 4chan filters is a useful application of your mental faculties |
| 17:07.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:08.03 | Shirik | did you see yesterday? |
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| 17:08.07 | batrick | yes |
| 17:08.10 | batrick | i liked the comments |
| 17:08.14 | batrick | almost makes what you do worth it |
| 17:08.27 | Shirik | :P |
| 17:09.25 | Ackis | olafski: I own crackdown, just haven't played it |
| 17:09.33 | batrick | oi shirik |
| 17:09.37 | olafski | ackis: aww you should |
| 17:09.38 | batrick | when do we get lua 5.2 work 3 |
| 17:09.39 | olafski | best 360 game! |
| 17:09.44 | batrick | tellmetellme |
| 17:09.56 | olafski | and I think the first game I got 100% on =) |
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| 17:12.02 | batrick | ok shirik |
| 17:12.04 | batrick | ur boring |
| 17:12.09 | batrick | bai fwend |
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| 17:13.57 | MatthewWW | I'm almost done these addons thanks to your constant help and tolerating my stupidity, guys. |
| 17:14.56 | MatthewWW | However, http://pastey.net/136183 isn't working for some stupid reason. It's supposed to call a sound whenever JIT_Trigger is called, but it just seems to do nothing at the moment. |
| 17:15.03 | MatthewWW | I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong, but it's something. |
| 17:15.49 | zenzelezz | much too long... narrow down your problem |
| 17:16.58 | MatthewWW | Hmm, I'll try |
| 17:17.31 | cogwheel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_repeat_yourself |
| 17:23.24 | DWSR | Anyone in here that can suggest a program for tagging a vast (20k+) music library? The program needs to: 1) Be able to pull album information, including catalogue numbers and front cover art, from a variety of sources (such as Discogs, Amazon, etc.); 2) Have a relatively quick workflow; 3) Support ReplayGain analysis; 4) Support FLAC and MP3. |
| 17:24.05 | Ackis | what's so special about FLAC? |
| 17:24.18 | DWSR | Most of my library's in it? |
| 17:24.28 | DWSR | Lossless is win. |
| 17:24.32 | Ackis | like I said, what's special about it? |
| 17:24.37 | DWSR | It's lossless. |
| 17:24.37 | Ackis | why is FLAC > MP3? |
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| 17:25.17 | Ackis | so the sounds you don't hear are still retained? |
| 17:25.20 | olafski | ackis: filesize(flac) > filesize(mp3) |
| 17:25.33 | MatthewWW | Fixed it |
| 17:25.41 | DWSR | Ackis: Yes, actually. |
| 17:25.42 | MatthewWW | Had the stupid onUpdate in the wrong spot |
| 17:25.46 | olafski | ackis: come on, every elitist out there can hear the difference! |
| 17:25.52 | DWSR | Ackis: I do a lot of transcoding to different devices and I do DJ mixes. |
| 17:26.14 | DWSR | When I publish my mixes down to mp3, I can notice a very big difference between the tracks that I used that /were/ FLAC and the tracks that /were/ mp3. |
| 17:26.19 | Ackis | I'm not disputing that there are uses for it, but for the standard person there is no difference |
| 17:26.32 | DWSR | For me, it's not so much about the fact that I think that I can hear it, it's just that it's useful for me from a production pov. |
| 17:27.00 | DWSR | So, whenever I can, I pick up FLAC. |
| 17:27.18 | DWSR | Which is why a) much of my library is in it; and b) why I need a utility that supports tagging it. |
| 17:28.30 | Ackis | reason I asked is because I have a couple songs in FLAC and haven't gotten around to converting to MP3 yet |
| 17:29.20 | DWSR | If you don't need the lossless, convert them. |
| 17:29.21 | KarlKFI|work | if all you do is listen to it and cant tell the difference then flac is fine, as long as your device supports it |
| 17:29.32 | KarlKFI|work | than mp3 is fine* |
| 17:29.33 | DWSR | Meh. |
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| 17:29.56 | KarlKFI|work | mixed myself up there |
| 17:30.10 | DWSR | I also use FLAC for >stereo audio. |
| 17:30.15 | KarlKFI|work | if all you do is listen to it and cant tell the difference then mp3 is fine |
| 17:30.29 | DWSR | I /believe/ I have a surround sound version of a Linkin Park album. |
| 17:30.31 | DWSR | Somewhere. |
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| 17:30.42 | KarlKFI|work | cute |
| 17:30.54 | DWSR | Since I don't believe that mp3 can even handle >2 channels. |
| 17:30.59 | KarlKFI|work | not afaik |
| 17:31.15 | KarlKFI|work | i think there's multichannel acc tho |
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| 17:32.57 | Ackis | On a different note, one of the funnier wow TCG cards out there: http://www.warcraft-tcg.de/forum/images/tcg/20/20NoEN180.jpg |
| 17:33.08 | MatthewWW | does this declaration work: myTable[1,2,3] = a,b,c ? |
| 17:33.17 | KarlKFI|work | no |
| 17:33.23 | olafski | wow she actually looks like paris, ackis :P |
| 17:33.34 | cbreak | what should that be matt? |
| 17:34.06 | Lopeppeppy | Love the undead Tinkerbell dog. |
| 17:34.18 | cbreak | myTable = {a,b,c}? |
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| 17:35.55 | DWSR | I lol'ed. |
| 17:38.30 | MatthewWW | Thanks dude |
| 17:38.42 | MatthewWW | myTable[1,2,3] = {a,b,c} |
| 17:39.26 | MatthewWW | how can i insert linebreaks? |
| 17:39.31 | MatthewWW | I have 60 values to add to the table |
| 17:39.35 | olafski | press enter ;) |
| 17:39.43 | MatthewWW | heh, I mean without making Lua panic |
| 17:39.46 | olafski | though you'll probably want \n (or was it |n?) |
| 17:39.51 | olafski | hm |
| 17:40.04 | olafski | just press enter |
| 17:40.08 | MatthewWW | k |
| 17:40.18 | olafski | I think you can omit the [1,2,3...60] too |
| 17:40.28 | MatthewWW | Oh |
| 17:40.32 | olafski | actually I think you have to |
| 17:40.41 | MatthewWW | myTable = {a,b,c,d,...n} ? |
| 17:40.44 | olafski | yep |
| 17:40.50 | MatthewWW | thankye |
| 17:40.51 | olafski | assuming you want them to be linear 1 - 60 |
| 17:40.54 | MatthewWW | yes |
| 17:41.26 | olafski | http://pastie.org/947104 with linebreaks |
| 17:41.51 | Fisker | haha lol |
| 17:42.01 | Fisker | my account got banned for frowning at the facebook integration |
| 17:42.10 | MatthewWW | in what where |
| 17:42.11 | olafski | from the forums or everywhere? |
| 17:42.16 | Fisker | lol wtf |
| 17:42.18 | Fisker | a fucking week |
| 17:42.20 | Fisker | rofl |
| 17:42.24 | MatthewWW | from what where when |
| 17:42.37 | olafski | matthewww: there will be facebook integration with battle.net and fisker tried to be a smartass about that :) |
| 17:42.53 | olafski | I daresay owned |
| 17:43.02 | Fisker | smartass? |
| 17:43.22 | Fisker | I showed my disappointment in the clearest and to the point-way of doing it |
| 17:43.25 | olafski | wouldn't mind seeing your face when you got that e-mail :) |
| 17:43.33 | Fisker | didn't get an e-mail |
| 17:43.36 | olafski | are you banned from just the forum or also the game though? |
| 17:43.40 | Fisker | also a week for a first offense lol |
| 17:43.45 | Fisker | forum only of course |
| 17:43.50 | olafski | damn |
| 17:44.16 | MatthewWW | lol |
| 17:44.54 | Ackis | blizzard forum moderators are a bunch of tools and deserve to die slowly in a car fire after watching their children/loved ones burn to a crisp |
| 17:45.03 | Fisker | it's seriously amazing |
| 17:45.08 | olafski | interesting opinions on that thread anyway :P |
| 17:45.14 | olafski | "It is good that Blizzard are thinking of ways to improve social interaction between players in their games, but I would never group with anybody that uses facebook. " :P |
| 17:45.18 | Fisker | Ok i can accept that it might be considered spam just to dismiss it like that |
| 17:45.25 | Fisker | but surely that doesn't warrant a ban for a week |
| 17:46.11 | olafski | just one "Anal [Deep Wounds]" might be spam too |
| 17:46.21 | Fisker | That's understandable atleast |
| 17:46.29 | Ackis | olafski: Revenge of the Murloc |
| 17:46.45 | Fisker | Someone also posted "I won't be using this" |
| 17:46.49 | Fisker | How is that constructive? |
| 17:46.55 | Fisker | It's neither less or more constructive than my post |
| 17:46.59 | DWSR | WTB way to see who's on on your b.net account without actually firing up a b.net game. |
| 17:47.02 | Fisker | so i don't see the issue |
| 17:47.06 | olafski | I don't see why people qq so much about this thing.. it's not like you have to use facebook or link your bnet account to it :/ |
| 17:47.23 | DWSR | If they're integrating wtih Facebook, can they please integrate with Steam? |
| 17:47.37 | olafski | and irc? |
| 17:47.50 | olafski | (that was sarcasm) |
| 17:47.54 | DWSR | I'm going to be putting the Steam overlay on my SC2 anyway, so you might as well just go ahead and throw in support for it. |
| 17:48.03 | DWSR | Obviously. |
| 17:48.08 | Adys | http://www.conceivablytech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/browser550.jpg |
| 17:48.14 | Fisker | Besides if people can get away with posting deathwing pictures i don't see why i can't get away with a single "kinda spam"-post |
| 17:48.20 | olafski | :( |
| 17:48.22 | Adys | THEORY: Market share scales with poor browser js performance |
| 17:48.32 | foxlit | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/100473-Blizzards-Battle-net-2-0-Features-Facebook-Integration |
| 17:48.34 | Adys | PROOF: This graph. people obviously turn towards bad browsers |
| 17:48.43 | foxlit | aiiiiiiiii... :( |
| 17:48.44 | Fisker | wat Adys |
| 17:48.48 | olafski | adys: that might not be a cause/effect relation ;) |
| 17:48.48 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 17:48.54 | Fisker | you've just been banned from the channel |
| 17:48.55 | Adys | olafski: you think?! :P |
| 17:49.18 | olafski | I think! |
| 17:49.25 | olafski | not much about this though :P |
| 17:49.31 | foxlit | "*July 29th, 9:11 PM: Jeff was an idiot and didn't have any Detector units for those burrowed Roaches, gg." |
| 17:49.44 | DWSR | foxlit ? |
| 17:49.51 | foxlit | linked article. |
| 17:49.52 | olafski | current facebook games can also spam your wall with notifications |
| 17:50.01 | olafski | can turn that off too though so /care :P |
| 17:50.11 | alestane | Can we choose NOT to integrate Facebook with battle.net? |
| 17:50.18 | olafski | oh there we go, one more |
| 17:50.29 | MatthewWW | I made a simply change and now this infinite looped like crazy |
| 17:50.30 | MatthewWW | http://pastie.org/947115 |
| 17:50.31 | olafski | alestane: probably by.. not entering your facebook details.. |
| 17:50.52 | olafski | matthewww: lines 17 and 18 are superfluous ;) |
| 17:51.23 | Lopeppeppy | Probably not... I'm not going to bet on it, olafski. And if it forces integration with the datamining evil that is Facebook, I am out the door, no matter how much I love WoW. |
| 17:51.46 | olafski | lopeppeppy: how would they link it to your facebook account if you don't give the information? |
| 17:51.57 | DWSR | ^ |
| 17:52.05 | Lopeppeppy | I am a fan of Bliz on Facebook, they already have half my info. |
| 17:52.10 | olafski | I doubt they link their databases and say "hey this guy named X also has a facebook account, they're probably the same person" |
| 17:52.12 | MatthewWW | I saw that |
| 17:52.14 | MatthewWW | I also figured it out |
| 17:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | They can connect the dots themselves and force the connection. |
| 17:52.17 | MatthewWW | id returns a string |
| 17:52.23 | Fisker | they just sold their account data to facebook! |
| 17:52.29 | olafski | sounds like a nice conspiracy theory ;) |
| 17:52.44 | Ackis | Forcing the connection would be a bad thing, they'd get in shit from a lot of privacy groups |
| 17:52.57 | olafski | which is one of the reasons I doubt they'll do it=) |
| 17:52.59 | Lopeppeppy | They have the capability, olafski, that's half of what people are unhappy about Facebook giving so much information to app developers. |
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| 17:53.15 | olafski | hm I don't know what facebook gives to app developers |
| 17:53.22 | DWSR | olafski: Everything |
| 17:53.26 | olafski | but when you use an app you have to explicitly give it permission to use your information |
| 17:53.42 | olafski | at least that's what I thought when I started some games :) |
| 17:54.01 | Lopeppeppy | The amount of information shared has changed over time, and not in ways that are transparent to the regular user. |
| 17:54.17 | DWSR | What's "Slightly Favoured" on the loading screen of SC2? |
| 17:54.26 | MatthewWW | it determines who's likely to win |
| 17:54.29 | MatthewWW | based on previous matches etc |
| 17:54.34 | olafski | either way I don't really care.. it's not like I put information on facebook that I don't want people to know about |
| 17:54.38 | zenzelezz | DWSR: it's a typo, it should say "Slightly Flavoured" |
| 17:54.50 | DWSR | lol |
| 17:56.19 | ZorbaBeta | zerg are best with a hint of parsley |
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| 17:59.53 | DWSR | Toss go well with Havarti, I hear. |
| 17:59.56 | DWSR | Served chilled. |
| 18:00.17 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Chilled Monkey Brains. |
| 18:01.21 | DWSR | How the hell are Warp Gates better than Gateways? |
| 18:01.22 | DWSR | Anyone? |
| 18:02.27 | alestane | Wapr units in anywhere within your powerfield? |
| 18:02.34 | alestane | That seems pretty obvious. |
| 18:03.23 | DWSR | Yeah, but isn't the CD on it longer than the build time? |
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| 18:04.32 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/05/minihorse-bred-small-fit-palm/ |
| 18:04.35 | Adys | seinfeld anyone? |
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| 18:05.08 | alestane | I don't believe so, DWSR, and even if it were, that's still a huge advantage in many situations. |
| 18:05.17 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, I think it's supposed to be equal |
| 18:05.38 | alestane | Total deployment time can be hugely reduced. |
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| 18:06.18 | olafski | mini horses.. that would make an interesting pet |
| 18:06.30 | Jamash | like in the dk starting zone? |
| 18:06.33 | alestane | The warp gate becomes a particularly potent option combined with warp prisms. |
| 18:08.08 | Jamash | yup |
| 18:08.28 | foxlit | "DWSR: Yeah, but isn't the CD on it longer than the build time?" << no |
| 18:08.40 | foxlit | But even if it was, having units now > having more units later. |
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| 18:11.24 | ZorbaBeta | oh dammit, they're fucking me over for my extra pet this year >:( |
| 18:11.37 | olafski | yarp |
| 18:11.49 | ZorbaBeta | anger |
| 18:12.00 | olafski | I got 2 new pets, can't complain =) |
| 18:12.00 | Jamash | yeh |
| 18:12.14 | ZorbaBeta | I wanted three new pets! |
| 18:12.18 | olafski | :) |
| 18:12.25 | ZorbaBeta | I have 110 and that could have been 111 |
| 18:12.34 | DWSR | Wow, I really suck at SC2. |
| 18:12.35 | DWSR | Oh well. |
| 18:12.39 | DWSR | It's still fun. :) |
| 18:12.44 | olafski | zorbabeta: nice =) I have 93 now I think |
| 18:12.54 | DWSR | Anyone for a match of SC2? |
| 18:13.00 | Jamash | I only have 74 :-X |
| 18:13.02 | foxlit | DWSR: Which continent? |
| 18:13.03 | ZorbaBeta | I've got every BoE pet and *most* of the non-real-money pets |
| 18:13.06 | Jamash | but I'm getting the 75th today |
| 18:13.10 | DWSR | foxlit: NA |
| 18:13.21 | foxlit | DWSR: Wrong answer. |
| 18:13.23 | Ackis | I think I had 120ish pets when I quit last year |
| 18:13.35 | DWSR | foxlit: ? |
| 18:13.42 | ZorbaBeta | missing Chuck, three orphan pets, Magical Crawdad, the Phoenix Hatchling, and the Scorchling. |
| 18:13.42 | krka | the downside with warpgates is that it requires more micro management and the initial conversion time i guess |
| 18:13.43 | Adys | ~ping |
| 18:13.44 | purl | ~pong |
| 18:13.52 | ZorbaBeta | (and pandaran and lil' kt) |
| 18:13.55 | krka | i personally am used to queuing up my army building :/ |
| 18:13.56 | Jamash | also it takes a little bit of time to warp in |
| 18:14.04 | Jamash | during which they're vulnerable |
| 18:14.26 | olafski | dang zorbabeta :) nice |
| 18:14.38 | foxlit | Can't have enough warp gates, really. |
| 18:14.43 | olafski | I'm missing quite a few.. but since there's no achievement for more than 75 I didn't really bother |
| 18:14.50 | ZorbaBeta | nowhere near as complete on mounts, though |
| 18:14.57 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, I'm assuming 4.0 will come with a 100-pet achievement |
| 18:15.05 | ZorbaBeta | which I will *automatically get* |
| 18:15.05 | Jamash | I'm sure it will |
| 18:15.26 | Jamash | I stopped collecting mounts after I got the violet protodrake |
| 18:15.33 | Jamash | 'cause really what's the point |
| 18:15.39 | ZorbaBeta | I'm up to 93 mounts, but most of the remaining ones are annoying to get |
| 18:15.45 | ZorbaBeta | low drop rates, one drop per raid, achievements |
| 18:15.49 | olafski | zorbabeta: yes, I assume so too :) |
| 18:16.17 | olafski | I was going for achievements a lot a while back, then I just kinda dropped my main char and started on another |
| 18:16.27 | olafski | 83 mounts atm |
| 18:16.57 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: I hit 96 mounts last night. :) |
| 18:17.05 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, nice :) |
| 18:17.17 | olafski | 5 farmable left from the tournament at the least.. 2 from SoH, 1 from wyrmrest and a chopper |
| 18:17.20 | ZorbaBeta | if I wanted to get back to it I'd have to start farming more argent tournament thingies |
| 18:17.23 | Jamash | 73 here |
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| 18:17.41 | ZorbaBeta | and then achievements and 1% drops and the like |
| 18:17.42 | olafski | yeah.. boring stuff :P |
| 18:17.51 | ZorbaBeta | and the wintergrasp frostsaber |
| 18:17.58 | Jamash | the what now |
| 18:18.01 | olafski | winterspring ;) |
| 18:18.06 | ZorbaBeta | oh right winterspring |
| 18:18.07 | ZorbaBeta | whatever |
| 18:18.10 | olafski | I'd kinda like rivendare's mount |
| 18:18.11 | ZorbaBeta | the worst grind in the game |
| 18:18.23 | olafski | yer.. I'm halfway to revered on the frostsaber |
| 18:18.26 | ZorbaBeta | (for what is admittedly a pretty awesome-looking pet) |
| 18:18.29 | ZorbaBeta | (er, mount) |
| 18:19.27 | Fisker | you know what makes me hulk smash olafski ? |
| 18:19.53 | Jamash | everything |
| 18:20.02 | Fisker | also that |
| 18:21.08 | olafski | http://www.guidehorse.org/images/todd/cudd2.jpg <-- :D |
| 18:21.18 | Jamash | aww yeah |
| 18:21.22 | Jamash | tiny horses |
| 18:21.29 | Jamash | so cute |
| 18:21.48 | Fisker | But i find it fucking hilarious that someone who publically shames not just a ninja, but then goes out to imply that i'm the same person because i ask him to take down the name gets away scot-free while also gloating me because nomatter if he gets moderated he achieved his goal |
| 18:22.38 | Fisker | forum moderation ftw ;3 |
| 18:23.59 | Fisker | It's like when i got that 24 hour ban for getting a few extra trick or treat bags (which affects noone) and in another instance someone is griefing hundreds of people by closing off doorways using cluster rocket launchers and they only get 3 hours for it |
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| 18:25.38 | Torhal | Ugh |
| 18:25.51 | Torhal | EoTS: I finally get a chance to take the flag and the BG ends |
| 18:25.57 | Jamash | aww |
| 18:26.24 | olafski | :< |
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| 18:48.50 | DWSR | Anyone for an SC2 custom match? |
| 18:56.42 | Cide | I could! |
| 18:57.24 | Cide | nvm |
| 18:57.25 | Cide | gonna study |
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| 19:21.01 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/say_uh_whered_you_get_those_bo.php |
| 19:26.10 | Lopeppeppy | has cooties |
| 19:28.48 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGfmfPYiO1w |
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| 19:55.30 | durcyn | damn, mikma, this screen_away.pl script is rather nice. |
| 19:57.52 | *** part/#wowuidev Pizik (~Pizik@unaffiliated/pizik) |
| 19:57.52 | olafski | is interested |
| 19:57.52 | olafski | what does it do? |
| 19:57.53 | durcyn | sets auto away in irssi when screen is detached |
| 19:57.53 | olafski | ah |
| 19:57.53 | durcyn | rather simple, but handy |
| 19:57.53 | olafski | nice :) |
| 19:59.45 | cogwheel | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-dxg8gReUqE/S74pWl6bt8I/AAAAAAAAAwI/-Q2E5yOyKO4/s1600/AtheistBarbie.jpg |
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| 20:02.38 | Lunessa | cogwheel: funny, but ... not lol |
| 20:03.31 | ZorbaBeta | man, clearly I know the wrong atheists |
| 20:03.40 | cogwheel | from http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/atheist-barbie.html |
| 20:08.51 | Lunessa | Clearly. All the ones I know, aside from cogwheel, generally find people of faith to be monstrously stupid. /sigh/ |
| 20:09.22 | Lunessa | And very few of the ones I do know look like barbie dolls. |
| 20:09.52 | cogwheel | only the ones who try to justify their faith with reason, imo... like creationists or apologists |
| 20:10.16 | Lunessa | We've had this conversation. :) |
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| 20:10.59 | cogwheel | *nod* |
| 20:13.54 | Lunessa | I don't find reason and faith to be mutually exclusive, cogwheel doesn't agree. But we've had very interesting and insightful vent chatter about it. :) |
| 20:14.30 | cogwheel | also, i think you're probably underexposed to more reasonable atheists. it's hard to be a reasonable atheist in a state where there are so many unreasonable theists... |
| 20:14.51 | Lunessa | Hard to be a reasonable theist when you're villified. |
| 20:15.02 | DWSR | ^ |
| 20:15.24 | DWSR | Reason and faith aren't mutually exclusive. |
| 20:15.38 | DWSR | I still challenge you to find people of faith who are reasonable. |
| 20:15.48 | Lunessa | *cough* |
| 20:16.02 | DWSR | ;) |
| 20:16.11 | DWSR | Sorry, I couldn't help it. :P |
| 20:16.19 | cogwheel | I think you'll find that most of the people in the atheist movement hold views similar to mine, though they're certainly not the loudest ;) |
| 20:16.21 | olafski | you don't have to overdo faith |
| 20:16.37 | olafski | it must be really nice to believe in some kind of afterlife |
| 20:16.41 | olafski | wish I could do it =( |
| 20:16.48 | Lunessa | cogwheel: It's the loudmouths in every cap who get all the attention. |
| 20:16.50 | DWSR | Exaggeration aside, people who believe in faith /usually/ aren't reasonable. |
| 20:17.32 | Lunessa | I know a woman here that I find charming and interesting in all ways - but if you're a believer/person of faith and she learns this about you, you're instantly a moron who can't hold an intelligent thought in your head. |
| 20:17.33 | DWSR | I find that the degree of reasonablity that a person has is inversely proportional to their level of religious practice. |
| 20:17.53 | Lunessa | And suddenly - she's not so interesting or charming. |
| 20:18.07 | DWSR | Lunessa: She sounds fascinating, actually. |
| 20:18.11 | DWSR | Mind giving me her number? |
| 20:18.45 | DWSR | I don't inherently hate people of faith. |
| 20:18.51 | Lunessa | Sure, but she doesn't like hugs, holding hands, or intimacy in general - so you've an uphill climb. Also, she's 45. |
| 20:18.57 | DWSR | Meh. |
| 20:19.02 | Lunessa | Hot. |
| 20:19.03 | DWSR | ezmode, tbh. |
| 20:19.32 | DWSR | Anyway, the problem is that everyone's an extremist to everyone else. |
| 20:19.47 | Lunessa | Also, she thinks I'm insane not just 'cause of the faith issue, but because I don't agree with her politically. But she's at least civil in those discussions. |
| 20:19.48 | Antiarc | New players are so cute |
| 20:19.49 | Antiarc | 13:19 Spam Gerrod: Now on AH: [Fire Wand], starting at 3s77c, and [Birchwood Maul of the Boar], starting at 11s98c. Check them out now! |
| 20:20.11 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:20.12 | Lunessa | Awww, they're making being a newbie work! |
| 20:20.22 | Nechckn | I forget who said it, but "The same reasons you do not believe in multiple Gods are the same reasons I do not believe in one." =) (Not my stance, but a fairly coherent argument, even for ardent "believers".) |
| 20:20.27 | DWSR | Antiarc: You should give him some gold. |
| 20:20.33 | Antiarc | I'm tempted to |
| 20:20.52 | Antiarc | I could go buyout his auctions |
| 20:20.58 | DWSR | You should just give him money. |
| 20:20.59 | Antiarc | I'll bet that would get him all excited |
| 20:21.13 | DWSR | That way he can make even more from the auctions. |
| 20:21.30 | olafski | that _is_ cute :P |
| 20:21.37 | Nechckn | Just bid on them, that may get them all in a tizzy! |
| 20:21.39 | Lunessa | Nechckn: People who have a foundation for their faith or non-faith and are willing to concede that there may be other answers and don't vilify someone for their position are pretty ok by me. |
| 20:22.12 | cogwheel | Nechckn: "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen Roberts |
| 20:22.25 | Nechckn | Lunessa I can play both sides of the field in that one. hehehe |
| 20:22.53 | DWSR | Lunessa: I think we can concede that religion has made people do some pretty stupid stuff over the years. |
| 20:23.01 | Nechckn | cogwheel Sounds about right. I like my boiled down version, though. |
| 20:23.05 | Lunessa | I submit that the hardest part of any faith to swallow is the nigh-universal assessment that all other systems of belief are inherently /wrong/. And if you swallow that bitter pill, then it does make it hard for you to be reasonable. |
| 20:23.18 | DWSR | Lunessa: So my position is generally that I hate religion, not the religious. |
| 20:23.33 | Lunessa | DWSR: People do pretty stupid stuff with or without religion. |
| 20:23.41 | cogwheel | i think it can be further generalized to dogma and dogmatists |
| 20:23.42 | Nechckn | Touche! |
| 20:23.53 | DWSR | Lunessa: I'm sure you've seen the math question about hell freezing over. |
| 20:23.59 | Lunessa | And we must also concede that in many cases, religion has brought about lots of good too. |
| 20:24.05 | cogwheel | i really don't care what you believe, but if you believe it unflinchingly with no possibility of changing your mind and with no evidence to back it up, you're a tool |
| 20:24.07 | DWSR | Lunessa: Yes, but religion gives them a reason to do /more/ stupid stuff. |
| 20:24.10 | Lunessa | DWSR: Hell is indothermic. |
| 20:24.21 | DWSR | Lunessa: endothermic, I believe. ;) |
| 20:24.31 | Lunessa | *nod* |
| 20:24.31 | cogwheel | whether it's political, religious, or other dogma, it's all the same |
| 20:24.34 | Nechckn | It also gives them a reason to do more good stuff, though, DWSR. |
| 20:24.40 | Torhal | 4. #arl â---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 20:24.42 | Torhal | 5. #curseforge â16:19:24 DWSR | Anyway, the problem is that everyone's an extremist to everyone else. â@Cairenn|afk |
| 20:24.42 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Yes. |
| 20:24.44 | Torhal | 6. #curseforge-staffâ16:19:39 Lunessa | Also, she thinks I'm insane not just 'cause of the faith issue, but because I don't agree with â@ChanServ |
| 20:24.46 | Torhal | 7. #libqtip â | her politically. But she's at least civil in those discussions. â@ckknight |
| 20:24.48 | Torhal | 8. #wowuidev-commitsâ16:19:40 Antiarc | New players are so cute â@dolby |
| 20:24.50 | Torhal | 9. yoshimo â16:19:41 Antiarc | 13:19 Spam Gerrod: Now on AH: [Fire Wand], starting at 3s77c, and [Birchwood Maul of the â@jnwhiteh |
| 20:24.51 | Antiarc | augh |
| 20:24.52 | Torhal | 10. Adirelle â | Boar], starting at 11s98c. Check them out now! â@Kaelten |
| 20:24.52 | DWSR | Wow Torhol. |
| 20:24.54 | Torhal | 11. Zhinjio â16:20:03 DWSR | lol â@Seerah |
| 20:24.56 | DWSR | Cairenn! |
| 20:24.56 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.58 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.00 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.02 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Torhal!~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (bye) |
| 20:25.02 | Antiarc | auuugh |
| 20:25.06 | cogwheel | (well except the central dogma of mollecular biology which is a misnomer) |
| 20:25.07 | DWSR | thanks shirik. |
| 20:25.07 | Antiarc | <3 |
| 20:25.11 | cogwheel | copy/paste fail |
| 20:25.25 | Thrae | ops!: dolby Cairenn|afk Seerah Shirik Shadowed jnwhiteh ChanServ Kaelten ckknight Zyonin |
| 20:25.27 | Fisker | i rage |
| 20:25.28 | Fisker | RAGE |
| 20:25.32 | Fisker | Antiarc i raged |
| 20:25.40 | Thrae | Cool my new script works |
| 20:25.42 | ckknight | am I to kick Torhal? |
| 20:25.48 | DWSR | ckknight: Late to the party. |
| 20:25.52 | ckknight | he's already gone |
| 20:25.55 | ckknight | poor Torhal |
| 20:25.56 | DWSR | yep |
| 20:26.05 | DWSR | Meh, he just right clicked his PuTTY window, I'll bet. |
| 20:26.10 | Thrae | ckknight: Remember with the new Freenode ircd, you can "quiet" people instead of banning them |
| 20:26.11 | Shirik | agree |
| 20:26.29 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:26.30 | Fisker | i'm raging |
| 20:26.33 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:26.35 | DWSR | Thrae: Yeah, but kicks are generally more effective. They tend to make the client do things that catch the user's attention. |
| 20:26.37 | Fisker | what can we do about that? |
| 20:26.39 | Lunessa | Alas, poor Torhal. I knew him, cogwheel. A script of infinite fail. |
| 20:26.43 | Zyonin | WTF? I was busy enjoying some web games and I get X-Chat alerting me to my name. What did Torhal do? |
| 20:26.48 | Thrae | DWSR: Well, you can do a "qkick" ;) |
| 20:27.07 | Shirik | I like to kick because most clients will stop trying to send at that point and then they can rejoin |
| 20:27.10 | DWSR | Zyonin: Right click his putty window. |
| 20:27.19 | Thrae | DWSR: At least that's what Freenode staff wants people to start doing instead of bkicks. |
| 20:27.19 | Shirik | whereas with quiet it must just keep going |
| 20:27.22 | DWSR | COPYPASTA FAIL. |
| 20:27.27 | DWSR | Thrae: bkicks are fucking stupid. |
| 20:27.34 | DWSR | It's a kickban. |
| 20:27.37 | Zyonin | Sorry, I am not familar with "putty" other than the kind I use in my house. |
| 20:27.43 | DWSR | Zyonin: PuTTY. |
| 20:27.51 | DWSR | It's a piece of software. |
| 20:28.01 | DWSR | Zyonin: Let's just put it this way: He failed with copypasta. |
| 20:28.06 | Nechckn | A sexy piece, too! |
| 20:28.07 | Zyonin | Ah, |
| 20:28.18 | DWSR | Nechckn: Meh, I'm more of a PuTTYTray fan, myself. |
| 20:28.19 | Thrae | DWSR: Why is it called a "kickban" if the ban normally comes first to prevent them from auto-rejoining too quickly? Well, actually that last part is different from client and script and bot. |
| 20:28.26 | Nechckn | Err.. helpful, not so much sexy. |
| 20:28.37 | DWSR | Thrae: Because the kick always happens. |
| 20:28.38 | DWSR | kick |
| 20:28.39 | DWSR | kickban |
| 20:28.41 | DWSR | kickmute |
| 20:28.44 | Thrae | DWSR: Anyway, "kickquiet". "silentkick". "kickmute" |
| 20:28.46 | Shirik | It really should be called a deopbankick |
| 20:28.55 | Shirik | that's what my client does |
| 20:29.00 | Thrae | Except "mute" is already used, the channel can be muted |
| 20:29.04 | DWSR | Thrae: Except now you've gone and broken the snytax. |
| 20:29.04 | Zyonin | Ah, something that I have never used as I have no need for Telnet or other alternate connection methods |
| 20:29.10 | Shirik | It doesn't even bother to look to see if you're an op, it deops you anyway |
| 20:29.28 | Thrae | DWSR: You broke the syntax a long time ago when you refused to use any vowels in your nick AND all uppercase. |
| 20:29.31 | DWSR | Shirik: Ops can kick other ops, wtf is the point of that? |
| 20:29.45 | DWSR | Just kick the motherfucker. |
| 20:29.51 | Shirik | deop first means the client is likely not to autoretaliate |
| 20:30.13 | DWSR | Freenode has services. |
| 20:30.15 | DWSR | You're protected. |
| 20:30.17 | DWSR | KICK HIM |
| 20:30.24 | DWSR | really. |
| 20:30.27 | Thrae | All ircds stem back to the olden days without all these fancy services, and there are legitimate reasons to deop+ban+kick. |
| 20:30.45 | DWSR | Thrae: That sort of logic is why Windows still has legacy support for 9x. |
| 20:30.55 | DWSR | It's dumb. Stop it. |
| 20:31.01 | Thrae | Usually having to do with "temporary ops" who are opped manually and not registered for the channel. |
| 20:31.20 | olafski | does it hurt to deop them first? |
| 20:31.31 | DWSR | olafski: Let's say, for example, we get a flood in here. |
| 20:31.49 | Thrae | DWSR: Nah, I could see a channel without a lot of registered ops temporarily opping and hopping people, but not registering as that causes another mess. |
| 20:31.52 | Nechckn | Water is not good for electronics! |
| 20:31.52 | DWSR | And then, just for fun, let's say that none of the ops are around, but Shirik has an auto kick flood script. |
| 20:32.03 | MatthewWW | Someone point me in the direction of a saved variables tutorial? |
| 20:32.15 | DWSR | Shirik's script will attempt to deop, then kick someone. |
| 20:32.26 | DWSR | So now your client is generating twice the amount of traffic that it needs to. |
| 20:32.42 | Shirik | not for kick |
| 20:32.43 | Shirik | ban only |
| 20:32.46 | Thrae | Are you saying Shirik is stupid enough to use an auto-kick flood script that ignores user mode on channels? As usually they ignore ops, hops, etc. |
| 20:32.46 | DWSR | Shirik: For trying to deop. |
| 20:32.56 | olafski | so 1.5 times, not twice =) |
| 20:33.01 | Shirik | not really |
| 20:33.07 | Shirik | because the deop is sent at the same time as the ban |
| 20:33.13 | Shirik | it's barely larger |
| 20:33.17 | Shirik | set mode -o+b |
| 20:33.41 | DWSR | Shirik: We're arguing over pretty much nothing. At any rate, if you get 6000 bots in here, that turns into a problem. |
| 20:33.45 | DWSR | You flood yourself off of the channel. |
| 20:34.03 | Shirik | EDI won't let 6000 bots join |
| 20:34.07 | DWSR | I'm not arguing the probability of such a flood, or saying that Shirik's script is that stupid, or that any of this would ever even happen. |
| 20:34.10 | DWSR | BUT IN CASE IT DID. |
| 20:34.15 | DWSR | That would be why. |
| 20:34.20 | Shirik | You forget |
| 20:34.25 | Shirik | EDI was designed with exactly that problem in mind |
| 20:34.26 | Thrae | Shirik: Give me +hoe, as you know what a playa I am. |
| 20:34.28 | olafski | giggles at trying to emphasize by using caps all the time |
| 20:34.29 | DWSR | Shirik: Freenode would have killed off most of the bots before they.....OHWAIT. |
| 20:34.35 | dolby | what if your house set on fire? |
| 20:34.39 | dolby | I'm just sayin... |
| 20:34.46 | Shirik | where the hell is EDI anyway |
| 20:34.49 | DWSR | dolby: That's why I have house insurance. |
| 20:34.53 | DWSR | Shirik: Fail. |
| 20:34.57 | Shirik | someone has the nick |
| 20:34.57 | Shirik | fail |
| 20:34.59 | nicoli_s | electronic digital imaging? |
| 20:35.05 | DWSR | Shirik: did you register it? |
| 20:35.08 | dolby | yes but it cant replace everything |
| 20:35.08 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:35.12 | Thrae | Well the danger is gone but the ops are all going out of the wordwork ;) |
| 20:35.16 | DWSR | Shirik: Kill them, then. |
| 20:35.19 | Shirik | I am |
| 20:35.26 | DWSR | Don't warn them, JUST DO EET. |
| 20:35.30 | Thrae | s#word#wood# |
| 20:35.31 | Lunessa | Shoot zem. Shott zem both. |
| 20:35.48 | DWSR | Thrae: Why #? |
| 20:36.03 | *** join/#wowuidev EDI (~Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam) |
| 20:36.04 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o EDI] by ChanServ |
| 20:36.04 | DWSR | Got your keyboard on an alternate layout or something? |
| 20:36.08 | Thrae | DWSR: Sometimes purl is enabled in this channel, and sed syntax can use any delimiter. |
| 20:36.22 | DWSR | Thrae: I thought it was only a regex implementation. |
| 20:36.48 | Shirik | !quote NICK EDI2 |
| 20:36.48 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 20:36.50 | DWSR | And purl's in the channel. |
| 20:36.56 | *** join/#wowuidev EDI (~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/Nospam) |
| 20:36.56 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o EDI] by gibson.freenode.net |
| 20:37.09 | DWSR | s/purl/perl/ |
| 20:37.16 | DWSR | So no, it doesn't accept any delimiter. |
| 20:37.27 | Thrae | DWSR: Not sure if '/' is the "official" regexp. |
| 20:37.36 | Thrae | DWSR: Right, I did NOT want purl repeating what I just said. |
| 20:37.38 | DWSR | Thrae: Well, it's the one that works. :P |
| 20:37.44 | DWSR | Thrae: Then add a ; |
| 20:37.49 | DWSR | Otherwise, I GET CNOFUZZED. |
| 20:37.59 | Thrae | You understood it you big lug. |
| 20:38.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (~mpdelbuon@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik) |
| 20:38.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by gibson.freenode.net |
| 20:38.03 | DWSR | :P |
| 20:38.05 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 20:38.08 | DWSR | anyone for an SC2 match? |
| 20:38.08 | Shirik | !quote NICK EDI |
| 20:38.09 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 20:38.22 | Thrae | s/lug/lunkhead/; |
| 20:38.22 | DWSR | Shirik: Can you change EDI's trigger? |
| 20:38.31 | Shirik | I almost never use it |
| 20:38.34 | Thrae | Well the ; works, but it looks wrong. |
| 20:38.44 | DWSR | Thrae: No it doesn't. It's a line delimiter. |
| 20:38.50 | DWSR | It's perfectly valid perl. |
| 20:39.09 | Thrae | DWSR: Only in silly languages like Perl. We're Lua fanatics! |
| 20:39.17 | MatthewWW | Guys, I'm trying to check to see if a player has been in the game before... hold on, I'll show you the script |
| 20:39.24 | Fisker | hey Thrae |
| 20:39.26 | Fisker | but not hey Shirik |
| 20:39.29 | Adys | Shirik: Can I test something with your bot? |
| 20:39.30 | Thrae | And Lua doesn't have proper regexp...so I'll start doing patterns. |
| 20:39.39 | Shirik | Adys: I guess |
| 20:39.44 | Shirik | my bot pretty much ignores everyone |
| 20:39.44 | DWSR | MatthewWW: Just use a SavedVariable, and flip it to true the first tim a player logs in. |
| 20:39.48 | MatthewWW | http://pastey.net/136192 |
| 20:39.49 | Adys | Shirik: I need you to change your nick first |
| 20:39.53 | Thrae | Shirik: Watch out, Adys wants to take over your channel like he did for mmo-champion.com. |
| 20:40.00 | MatthewWW | DWSR; I'm using a saved variable, but I'm having some troubles |
| 20:40.05 | MatthewWW | the saved variable is a table |
| 20:40.18 | Shirik2 | you have 30 seconds, enforced by nickserv |
| 20:40.30 | Shirik | !quote NICK Shirik |
| 20:40.30 | batbot | Shirik, nick has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 20:40.34 | Shirik2 | oops |
| 20:40.39 | Shirik2 | oh wait, no that's right |
| 20:40.53 | Thrae | MatthewWW: All Saved Variables are kept in a table. What's your problem? |
| 20:41.01 | Shirik2 | Yeah, Adys, he's not going to listen to you |
| 20:41.03 | MatthewWW | !quote Shirik NICK |
| 20:41.04 | batbot | MatthewWW, shirik has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 20:41.04 | MatthewWW | ? |
| 20:41.05 | Shirik2 | he only listens to an identified shirik |
| 20:41.15 | Adys | neat |
| 20:41.24 | DWSR | MatthewWW: Are you checking to see if it's the user's first time using the addon, or their first time playing on that toon ever. |
| 20:41.34 | DWSR | Adys: And easy to do as well. :) |
| 20:41.36 | Adys | i didnt know Seven enforced the 30 seconds |
| 20:41.37 | MatthewWW | DWSR: well the addon saves values to that table |
| 20:41.46 | Shirik | Adys: You have to enable it |
| 20:41.52 | Shirik | and that's why I just switched over to EDI |
| 20:41.53 | Shirik | to enable it |
| 20:41.57 | MatthewWW | DWSR: so essentially I'm checking to see if the table contains any values on addon? |
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| 20:42.03 | DWSR | Adys: It doesn't. |
| 20:42.04 | Adys | oh? |
| 20:42.07 | Adys | how? |
| 20:42.08 | DWSR | Adys: l2services. |
| 20:42.13 | DWSR | Seven is an IRCD. |
| 20:42.13 | MatthewWW | DWSR: I mean on login |
| 20:42.16 | Shirik | Type /ns help set enforce |
| 20:42.17 | DWSR | You need a ServicesD |
| 20:42.25 | Adys | DWSR: l2notbeadouche |
| 20:42.30 | DWSR | Adys: l2irc. |
| 20:42.57 | DWSR | Shirik: Can you set the delay to immediately? |
| 20:43.01 | Shirik | no |
| 20:43.04 | Thrae | MatthewWW: if not db then db = { ["initial-settings"] = "blah blah blah" } end |
| 20:43.06 | DWSR | Fail. |
| 20:43.07 | DWSR | Anope does that. |
| 20:43.21 | DWSR | If you don't provide your password in your connection, you just get your nick instachanged. |
| 20:43.25 | Shirik | but it does enforce that once they've been forced off, nobody can take your nick until you do a /ns release |
| 20:43.28 | MatthewWW | DWSR: thoughts? |
| 20:43.37 | Shirik | NS sits on your name basically |
| 20:43.37 | DWSR | MatthewWW: No idea. |
| 20:43.40 | DWSR | Shirik: Yeah, I know. |
| 20:43.43 | DWSR | It's fucking irritating. |
| 20:43.59 | DWSR | Anope watches for incoming nickchanges from users who are identified to your nick group. |
| 20:44.10 | DWSR | If you're identified to your nick group, it'll auto release the nick when you try to change. |
| 20:44.21 | DWSR | Here it's manual, and I always forget the freaking command for it. |
| 20:44.38 | DWSR | u:lines are win, mang. |
| 20:44.43 | DWSR | Shirik: BTW, SC2. NAO! |
| 20:44.49 | Shirik | sorry me is busy |
| 20:44.52 | DWSR | flail. |
| 20:44.54 | DWSR | anyone for SC2 |
| 20:45.50 | Amarande | Here services by default don't really care whether you ID or not, though :S |
| 20:45.58 | Amarande | Well, unless you try to change your nick while on #wowwiki, anyway. :P |
| 20:46.34 | foxlit|no | It's just you, Amarande. |
| 20:46.50 | Shirik | I REALLY wish this were true http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=360369398&oldid=360359992 |
| 20:46.50 | Amarande | foxlit: apparently there's a quiet set on #wowwiki if you aren't identified |
| 20:46.57 | Amarande | and you can't change nick while under quiet |
| 20:47.21 | Lunessa | http://us.battle.net/realid/index.html |
| 20:47.24 | Fisker | identify your other nick then Amarande |
| 20:47.29 | Amarande | and DWSR probably isn't hearing me anyway since I think he has me on ignore. heh. |
| 20:47.35 | foxlit | 324: #wowwiki +cnt |
| 20:47.54 | Amarande | foxlit: it's done via +q, not the modes you see at the top of the window |
| 20:47.55 | foxlit | no color, can't send messages from outside, can't change topic unless moderator. |
| 20:48.17 | Amarande | if you do /mode #wowwiki q, you get |
| 20:48.18 | Amarande | #wowwiki $~a set by pcj!~pcjjenks@wowwiki/Pcj (Sun Feb 28 18:00:26) |
| 20:48.33 | Amarande | and after some digging around on #freenode, I learned that $~a means "people not identified to nickserv" |
| 20:48.40 | DWSR | Oh, Amarande's talking? |
| 20:48.46 | DWSR | That mute must be working then. |
| 20:48.48 | DWSR | Anyway, bb. |
| 20:50.02 | MatthewWW | One more question |
| 20:50.12 | MatthewWW | How do I reset saved variables for a character? |
| 20:50.23 | Amarande | foxlit: try making a fresh connection, under a nick that isn't registered, join #wowwiki and then try to change nick :) |
| 20:50.31 | foxlit | cba :) |
| 20:52.28 | DWSR | Anyone got a SC2 beta key they're not using? |
| 20:52.40 | *** join/#wowuidev industrial (~industria@205.189.73.45) |
| 20:52.54 | Amarande | dude, it's only two and a half months or so till release :) |
| 20:52.59 | Amarande | level another alt, meanwhile! |
| 20:53.20 | Amarande | (why am I talking to someone who I know has me on ignore. lol) |
| 20:54.14 | Fisker | i wish DWSR |
| 20:55.42 | Amarande | Fisker, you can't wait till july 27th? :) |
| 20:55.43 | Shirik | Yeah Fisker doesn't have A beta key |
| 20:55.47 | Shirik | he is swimming in them |
| 20:55.53 | foxlit | Fisker has ALL beta keys |
| 20:55.58 | foxlit | For Fisker is the key master. |
| 20:56.19 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16635-SindyEasyMode.html << This addon is hilarious |
| 20:56.35 | foxlit | Considering I had to write something like that for my guild. |
| 20:57.02 | Amarande | wow |
| 20:57.05 | foxlit | And it ended up being about 2kb instead of 123kb |
| 20:57.21 | Amarande | you know a boss battle is overly hard/clunkily designed when multiple raids need a specific addon just for that boss |
| 20:58.14 | Amarande | hell, far as I know people didn't even need an addon to manage beams on netherspite |
| 20:58.20 | foxlit | It's not so much that you *need* an addon. |
| 20:58.25 | foxlit | It's that you need to stop raiding with morons. |
| 20:58.30 | foxlit | But life's hard, you know. |
| 20:58.53 | Amarande | foxlit: I blame the way raiding often goes lately |
| 20:58.55 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: so in halo reach i just joined a friends party and guess what i saw |
| 20:59.01 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:59.05 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: "Your controller is disconnected" |
| 20:59.09 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:59.15 | Shirik | not me this time |
| 20:59.17 | Shirik | my xbox is off |
| 20:59.18 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 20:59.18 | Amarande | thanks to badges, a lot of raiders are newbies who just got all their badge gear together to meet GS |
| 20:59.25 | Arrowmaster | my ex-gf |
| 20:59.25 | Amarande | and don't really know the concept of 'mobility fight' at all |
| 20:59.55 | Amarande | Arrow: Dead battery? :) |
| 21:00.19 | Arrowmaster | controllers turn off automatically when you go afk |
| 21:00.27 | Amarande | I understand 360 controllers eat batteries like there's no tomorrow |
| 21:01.06 | Arrowmaster | since i dont have a recharage anymore ive been removing the battery pack when i turn the console off, makes them last a lot longer |
| 21:01.20 | Arrowmaster | since the thing is always on otherwise |
| 21:01.31 | Arrowmaster | just in a lowpower mode |
| 21:02.07 | cogwheel | bats are so cute... http://skous.net/bats/bats.html |
| 21:02.52 | olafski | hm. real IDs.. think guilds will require you to give up your real ID to join? |
| 21:03.40 | foxlit | Some might. |
| 21:03.48 | foxlit | Don't join them if it bothers you? |
| 21:03.57 | olafski | "wut, you declined tonights raid but you're playing an alt? gkick!" :D |
| 21:04.09 | olafski | it's unlikely that I'll ever join another guild, so it won't affect me |
| 21:04.16 | olafski | (seeing as I'm the GM of this guild ;)) |
| 21:04.40 | olafski | I wonder how it will play out though =) |
| 21:04.49 | foxlit | They need to add a step between in-game ID and real ID, really |
| 21:04.53 | Arrowmaster | for a serious guild i doubt anybody would have issues with it |
| 21:05.33 | foxlit | I don't think serious guilds will bother with it, really. |
| 21:05.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (~callahan@74-141-240-27.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 21:05.36 | Arrowmaster | for a guild that you have to force people to come to progression raids and have too many show up for loot farming raids they might bitch but then youve got the exact reasons why already |
| 21:05.49 | Amarande | cata's going to make people submit ID info? |
| 21:05.55 | olafski | no |
| 21:06.08 | olafski | but you can become more than just per-character friends if you like |
| 21:06.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Borgleader (~borgleade@modemcable253.146-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 21:06.22 | olafski | a bit like in diablo2 |
| 21:06.31 | foxlit | The granularity seems to go from "people I stalk" to "my BFF!" |
| 21:06.32 | olafski | dunno how it works in starcraft (1) |
| 21:06.40 | foxlit | with nothing in between. |
| 21:07.04 | olafski | foxlit: yeah.. something like "friend this person and allow them to see my alts" instead of "friend this person and give them my real name and all my other games" :) |
| 21:07.45 | krka | sylvanaar, i made my interpreter be REPL style now |
| 21:07.49 | krka | i quite like it this way actually! |
| 21:07.53 | krka | good suggestion |
| 21:07.56 | olafski | oh cool krka, that did sound better :) |
| 21:08.26 | olafski | what's the url again? |
| 21:08.26 | Amarande | honestly, I'm not sure why it took wow so long to learn that letting friends see each other's alts was a good idea |
| 21:08.33 | Amarande | Guild Wars has been doing it for five years or so |
| 21:08.52 | olafski | amarande: and diablo2 did it too ;) |
| 21:09.03 | Amarande | why'd they change the paradigm for wow? |
| 21:09.07 | krka | git clone git://github.com/krka/kahlua2.git |
| 21:09.16 | olafski | no nice webstart this time? :( |
| 21:09.20 | krka | http://github.com/downloads/krka/kahlua2/kahlua2-repl1.jnlp |
| 21:09.26 | krka | but it's not the latest and greatest |
| 21:09.34 | krka | some minor bugs in that one |
| 21:09.35 | olafski | =( |
| 21:09.41 | krka | hmm, i'll put up a new one |
| 21:09.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraps (~chatzilla@ool-44c20717.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:10.06 | Nechckn | They should take a note from facebook's "privacy" settings - Make visible to __ Friends __ Guild __ Specific People" for each character, imnsho. |
| 21:10.25 | durcyn | yeah, because that's worked so well for facebook thus far. |
| 21:10.46 | Nechckn | hence why "privacy" is in quotes - but the options would be nice. |
| 21:11.00 | krka | olafski: http://github.com/downloads/krka/kahlua2/kahlua2-repl2.jnlp |
| 21:11.04 | olafski | cheers ;) |
| 21:11.11 | Nechckn | Sometimes it is nice just to hide out and _____ rather than talke to ____ . |
| 21:11.48 | Kraps | its optional, why are people freaking out? |
| 21:11.59 | krka | that _is_ the latest and greatest, so report any bugs you find :) |
| 21:11.59 | foxlit | I don't think anyone is. |
| 21:12.18 | olafski | krka: it doesn't feel different to me.. but perhaps I didn't really test the previous one a lot |
| 21:12.30 | krka | i can't remember what i changed |
| 21:12.31 | olafski | is the difference that it remembers the context between executions? |
| 21:12.40 | olafski | well it's "REPL" now and wasn't before |
| 21:12.41 | krka | no, that's always been there |
| 21:12.55 | krka | some padding changes and some gui bug fixes |
| 21:13.01 | krka | same font everywhere |
| 21:13.05 | krka | and it lines up |
| 21:13.06 | krka | et.c. |
| 21:13.22 | olafski | hm |
| 21:13.30 | olafski | okay then I don't really see the difference ;) |
| 21:13.45 | Kraps | foxlit: http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/battle-net-facebook-integration/msg2689531/#msg2689531 http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/battle-net-facebook-integration/msg2689586/#msg2689586 http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/battle-net-facebook-integration/msg2689597/#msg2689597 |
| 21:13.51 | olafski | it would feel more natural to me if it just executes at the end of a statement instead of having to press ctrl+enter but I guess that's just some getting used to |
| 21:13.55 | Kraps | thats just a sample |
| 21:14.11 | krka | i had it that way first |
| 21:14.20 | krka | but i think it's more common to want to run multiple line scripts |
| 21:14.56 | Amarande | good lord, what is with the economy on this server lately |
| 21:15.13 | Amarande | 1500g for the Crusader enchant pattern ... and that's apparently a bit LESS than what it usually goes for of late |
| 21:15.22 | Amarande | and 4000g for the 20 arcane resistance to cloak pattern |
| 21:15.27 | olafski | krka: hm dunno.. I haven't used this type of thing often, just with ruby |
| 21:15.45 | Amarande | the economy on Turalyon Horde seems to be TFU of late |
| 21:16.15 | krka | olafski: one option might be to let enter execute it, if it's a valid script at that point |
| 21:16.30 | olafski | krka: so.. when it's a full statement :) |
| 21:16.33 | krka | but then some scripts will be impossible to write |
| 21:16.36 | olafski | krka: ruby (irb) does it that way |
| 21:16.46 | olafski | krka: or you could make ctrl+enter insert a newline without execution |
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| 21:16.52 | olafski | amarande: on US I assume? |
| 21:16.58 | krka | that's just crazy talk! |
| 21:17.59 | Amarande | olafski: yeah. |
| 21:18.05 | olafski | and agreed kraps, it has to be optional so everybody who qqs should just.. not use it :) |
| 21:18.14 | krka | i suspect you get used to ctrl-enter to execute |
| 21:18.19 | olafski | amarande: okay =) turalyon horde EU has a crappy economy too :) |
| 21:18.25 | Amarande | oh and the normal posted rate being 2500g+ for a stack of icecap |
| 21:18.29 | Amarande | I'm not sure if it sells, or not |
| 21:18.36 | Amarande | I do know there usually isn't any icecap on the AH of late though |
| 21:18.37 | foxlit | "I've fought savage animals, killed bandits, buried dead bodies, and humiliated myself in public, and not once has anyone offered my more than 90 coppers. Now this lady is putting up more than thrice that just to carry a letter? I realize she's probably screwing me. I'll probably get there and find out the letterbox is guarded by cave troll riding a warg who is riding a dragon. But for this sort of dosh I can afford to take on som |
| 21:18.37 | foxlit | stupid." |
| 21:18.43 | olafski | krka: I guess.. doesn't look like something I'd use very often anyway :S I used it a lot with ruby though, guess if I would use lua a lot I might too |
| 21:18.59 | Amarande | I've always wondered how things that are sillily easy to get end up highly priced though |
| 21:19.02 | Amarande | like icecap or essence of air |
| 21:19.14 | olafski | because people don't want to bother |
| 21:19.15 | Xyphoid | well, nobody can be bothered to go farm them |
| 21:19.45 | olafski | peacebloom is much easier than goldclover but probably more expensive |
| 21:19.54 | Amarande | people must hate silithus and winterspring, perhaps |
| 21:20.14 | Amarande | honestly, I'm not sure why |
| 21:20.21 | Amarande | winterspring is one of the loveliest zones in WoW |
| 21:20.25 | krka | olafski: i am using it for interacting with a server that has exposed java methods over the internet at work :) |
| 21:20.30 | olafski | amarande: but who goes there? |
| 21:20.31 | Amarande | and as for silithus ... ehh, unless you're scared of creepy crawlies, it's just fine :P |
| 21:20.35 | olafski | it's a lvl 57-60 zone |
| 21:20.41 | olafski | and people leave azeroth at 58.. :) |
| 21:20.44 | Xyphoid | you can farm goldclover with a flying mount |
| 21:20.50 | Amarande | ah ... that might be it |
| 21:20.54 | Xyphoid | farming in winterspring etc you have to ride |
| 21:20.55 | Amarande | I don't usually leave Azeroth till 60-62 of late |
| 21:21.12 | Amarande | I prefer the less hectic aggro that comes of waiting a couple more levels |
| 21:21.14 | Xyphoid | and i mean who exactly needs icecap for anything |
| 21:21.25 | Amarande | Xyphoid: it's used for the icy chill weapon enchant |
| 21:21.39 | Amarande | which is probably popular with BG twinks |
| 21:21.47 | krka | isn't the exp in outland much much better than in azeroth? |
| 21:21.50 | *** join/#wowuidev nobin (~nobin@164.145.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 21:21.56 | olafski | it is |
| 21:22.16 | Amarande | krka: and yet the requirements from 58-62 are so nerfed that you may as well grab what you can from azeroth |
| 21:22.26 | DWSR | Cide: Stalkers fucking pwn. |
| 21:22.29 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 21:22.31 | DWSR | 1v1 they rape. |
| 21:22.43 | foxlit | MARAUDER TO YOUR FACE, DWSR. |
| 21:22.44 | Amarande | Even pre-nerf, if you followed Jame's Horde leveling guide for 21-60, you tended to be 61 by the end if you did everything |
| 21:22.51 | DWSR | Nope. |
| 21:22.57 | DWSR | Got Maurader rushed and still beat them. |
| 21:23.06 | Xyphoid | ah, levelling guides |
| 21:23.07 | Xyphoid | so retro |
| 21:23.09 | olafski | a leveling guide.. lol |
| 21:23.15 | DWSR | 1) Hit I |
| 21:23.19 | DWSR | 2) Hit "Join Queue" |
| 21:23.21 | DWSR | 3) ??? |
| 21:23.22 | Cide | eh |
| 21:23.23 | DWSR | 4) Level! |
| 21:23.26 | Cide | stalkers are good but not great |
| 21:23.34 | Cide | they are your only early option vs marauders though |
| 21:23.44 | olafski | but still.. 58-60 goes way faster in HFP than in silithus/winterspring |
| 21:23.45 | Amarande | 3) Wait inordinately long time unless you are tank or healer |
| 21:23.49 | Cide | however |
| 21:23.53 | Cide | immortals DEMOLISH marauders |
| 21:23.56 | DWSR | Cide: I just massed stalkers and blinked up a cliff into my enemy's base |
| 21:23.59 | DWSR | poof. gg |
| 21:24.01 | NightHawkTheSane | you could always make friends with a tank or healer |
| 21:24.03 | foxlit | At equivalent resource investment, marauders will wipe your stalker army off the face of the map |
| 21:24.08 | Torhal | Amarande: Inordinately would be pre-LFD. |
| 21:24.09 | NightHawkTheSane | god forbid you play an mmog with other people |
| 21:24.11 | Cide | you can't blink up a cliff you don't have vision over |
| 21:24.15 | olafski | nighthawkthesane: or not roll a pure dps to begin with.. boring ;) |
| 21:24.15 | Cide | fyi |
| 21:24.20 | Torhal | Now it's at least 30-45 minutes instead of 4-6 hours |
| 21:24.32 | Amarande | Torhal: yeah, but 30-45 minutes where you'd better stay in town and fap |
| 21:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Torhal: oh, no see you can't be properly whiny without completely forgetting the past and only judging based on how frustrated you are RIGHT NOW! |
| 21:24.44 | olafski | why? could just go quest while you wait |
| 21:24.44 | Torhal | Oh? I do a bunch of shit while in queue |
| 21:24.55 | Amarande | olafski: that's resulted in a number of deaths and sticky situations for me. |
| 21:25.03 | Kraps | i am a tank, anyone want to be my friend? |
| 21:25.05 | NightHawkTheSane | that's because you're bad. |
| 21:25.08 | olafski | beats waiting for 45 minutes =) |
| 21:25.25 | Amarande | Night: it's more to do with that said cases involved me being in fairly densely mob-populated areas when the queue popped |
| 21:25.34 | DWSR | Warp Gate Warp Prism rushes are pretty fucking pwn. |
| 21:25.42 | Amarande | and thus, being returned to said area afterwards to all the mobs having been respawned and heading my way :) |
| 21:25.49 | olafski | amarande: you have 30 seconds to accept.. either run out of the area before you accept, or make sure you're at full health before you leave the dungeon |
| 21:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | so, you're bad, then |
| 21:25.55 | foxlit | I find myself disliking protoss when faced with a mutalisk army |
| 21:25.59 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: more than 30, i think it's closer to 45? |
| 21:26.06 | olafski | nighthawkthesane: oh could be.. dunno |
| 21:26.09 | olafski | too long anyway |
| 21:26.13 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, plenty of time to run to a safe spot, anywhere |
| 21:26.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i do it all the time |
| 21:26.28 | olafski | that's the actual wait time for me, not the queue time itself ;) |
| 21:26.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i've never once died popping out after an instance |
| 21:26.34 | NightHawkTheSane | zing :D |
| 21:26.55 | olafski | "oh look, another one of those lame DPS who queued and went afk.. guess I have to wait another 45 seconds" |
| 21:26.56 | foxlit | Massing phoenixes goes nowhere fast; stalkers are a bit too slow to defend adequately |
| 21:27.02 | Amarande | Night: okay, so you're saying you can get out of someplace like deep Jaedenar in 30 seconds |
| 21:27.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i'm saying that, from ANYWHERE in the world, i can get to a location that will will not result in my death, should i pop back to a fully respawned zone |
| 21:27.33 | olafski | there are always exceptions.. but how bad can it really be? assuming you're not in a zone that's 5+ levels above you |
| 21:27.53 | olafski | if you pop back with full hp/mana you should be able to fight your way out |
| 21:27.59 | Amarande | olafski: it seems to have got better since I finished Felwood, anyway |
| 21:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, assuming i'm not deep in an area packed with mobs more than 3 levels higher than me |
| 21:28.18 | NightHawkTheSane | even then, it shouldn't be too bad |
| 21:28.24 | Kraps | hey guys i one had to wait 5 seconds for LFD to pop, i broke the wall in frustration |
| 21:28.28 | Amarande | actually, outdoor Jaedenar is probably the worst place for that |
| 21:28.29 | olafski | I kinda forgot where jaedenar is.. but I doubt felwood has any part where if you pop in at a random point and don't move, you'll aggro more than about 5 mobs |
| 21:28.42 | Nechckn | I like to hit winterspring just until 60, since so many skip it, the mats from there sell really well. |
| 21:28.52 | Amarande | because the caster mobs hit rather hard, especially if you aggro more than a couple at once |
| 21:29.04 | Nechckn | That is mining/herbalist and skinner - |
| 21:29.10 | Amarande | the melee mobs are easysauce, but those fireballs seem to be napalm coated |
| 21:29.12 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: even if there were, you shouldn't be so dumb as to pop out there, you can move to side areas that are sparser |
| 21:29.27 | olafski | nighthawkthesane: yeah.. you can accept the invite while in combat right? |
| 21:29.33 | Amarande | also, this was on a hunter |
| 21:29.34 | NightHawkTheSane | yep |
| 21:29.38 | Amarande | where while the melee mobs may be easysauce |
| 21:29.52 | Amarande | the fucking felhunters tend to omnomnom your mana PDQ |
| 21:30.02 | Amarande | and in the 50s you really don't have a comfortable amount of mana on a hunter as it is |
| 21:30.06 | Nechckn | Jaedenar is rather tight, but, that is like the only place, unless you are digging around hives for some reason. |
| 21:30.06 | olafski | so just suicide run out, get as far as you can and when you're almost dead, accept the invite |
| 21:30.13 | olafski | (and pray you're the last one to accept ;)) |
| 21:30.39 | Amarande | I think another reason I tend to be 61-62 or so by the time I go to outland |
| 21:30.50 | Amarande | is that I tend to pick up rather large numbers of quests in the 55-60 areas |
| 21:30.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: even hives you can get to a room pretty well where there's only one or two mobs |
| 21:31.02 | Amarande | and I'm not the sort to abandon a quest unless it's a group quest that I can't manage to solo |
| 21:31.13 | olafski | psh |
| 21:31.24 | olafski | OCD is not an excuse to level inefficiently :) |
| 21:31.34 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane True, true... but why would you be in there, anyway? heheheh |
| 21:31.39 | Amarande | and on my DK anyway, I had to catch up on skinning and herbalism before I could go to Outland |
| 21:31.44 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane In a hive, that is |
| 21:31.46 | olafski | that is an excuse |
| 21:31.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: well, i wouldn't, but i'm just saying ;) |
| 21:32.07 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane me either, but I figured to include it, just to have the bases covered. |
| 21:32.11 | olafski | abandoning quests is just something that has to be done.. because if you don't, what's to stop you from accepting new quests too? |
| 21:32.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll abandon quests that are three steps out of my way, really |
| 21:32.52 | Amarande | well, there's some quests that I refuse on principle |
| 21:32.57 | olafski | as soon as I hit 58/68, I abandon everything in my log, empty my bags and go to the next continent :) |
| 21:33.19 | Amarande | like ... ones where you have to go all the way out to the middle of nowhere just to do a single quest, unless the reward is really really worth it (or it's part of a chain leading to a quest where the reward is really really worth it) |
| 21:33.24 | Xyphoid | i'm actually hanging out for 60 on my warrior before outland because i can't be bothered doing hellfire without flying |
| 21:33.29 | Nechckn | I am glad everyone thinks that way about winterspring - seriously, it is always well worth it for skills and cash. But, either way works. |
| 21:33.34 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: yeah, i often do the same, unless i have some really easy ones |
| 21:33.38 | Amarande | and anyway |
| 21:33.39 | olafski | yeah being able to fly helps xyphoid =) |
| 21:33.39 | Amarande | like I said |
| 21:33.46 | Amarande | Winterspring is just lovely, I can't imagine not doing it on a character |
| 21:33.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: i usually hit up WS in the 56-58 grind |
| 21:33.54 | olafski | hm I absolutely hate winterspring :P |
| 21:34.03 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a number of easy to hit quest chains there that i like doing |
| 21:34.07 | Amarande | I guess that sentiment is especially strong for me as Horde ... Alliance probably get their fill of snow from Dun Morogh |
| 21:34.07 | Xyphoid | you can ride through timbermaw hold now, that was an extremely pleasant surprise |
| 21:34.15 | Nechckn | olafski That is good =) More goodies for me to collect and sell. |
| 21:34.17 | NightHawkTheSane | and, yeah, if i'm leveling up mining i'll need to hit it anyway to get that skill up |
| 21:34.23 | Amarande | Winterspring is pretty much the only snowy zone Horde sees before Northrend |
| 21:34.23 | Nechckn | Xyphoid No way, really?!? |
| 21:34.29 | olafski | nighthawkthesane: ungoro for mining tbh :( |
| 21:34.51 | Amarande | hmm, I think I leveled thorium in Burning Steppes mostly on the warlock |
| 21:34.59 | NightHawkTheSane | i dislike ungoro. it always seems like i find mithril when i want thorium, and thorium when i want mithril |
| 21:35.01 | Amarande | it's an easy rotation since most of the nodes are around the outer edge |
| 21:35.13 | olafski | there's no mithril in the south half of ungoro afaik |
| 21:35.16 | Amarande | the only thing to watch out for is that stupid fucking pit of suck |
| 21:35.38 | Nechckn | The what of who, now? |
| 21:35.39 | Amarande | and hardly anyone really goes to burning steppes anymore |
| 21:35.54 | Amarande | Nechckn: there is a small, barely visible pit in Burning Steppes, I believe the coords are 42,62 or thereabouts |
| 21:35.56 | Nechckn | Ah.. in BS, gotcha. |
| 21:35.59 | Xyphoid | i do thorium on burning steppes for alliance |
| 21:36.06 | Amarande | it's very easy to fall into when doing runs-around for mining |
| 21:36.08 | Xyphoid | just because it's right there instead of half a world away |
| 21:36.21 | Nechckn | You can also get caught up on the edge and run into no-land zone, at least until a few months ago. |
| 21:36.26 | olafski | ungoro is easily reached with the portal to caverns of time ;0 |
| 21:36.35 | Amarande | and it's JUST deep enough to not let you out through any means short of hearthing, teleing, being summoned (or probably getting death gripped by a hostile DK) |
| 21:36.36 | Nechckn | Up in the SW of BS, that is. |
| 21:36.56 | olafski | amarande: or charging :P |
| 21:36.58 | Amarande | Guess who fell in there once with their hearthstone still on a half hour + or so of CD? (This being back in the day when HS CD was an hour) |
| 21:37.04 | Nechckn | SE of BS, sorry... now SW. |
| 21:37.06 | olafski | I thought they got rid of most of the spots like that |
| 21:37.09 | Amarande | olafski: that's iffy, because there tend not to be mobs near that pit |
| 21:37.16 | Amarande | which also means you can't even get yourself killed to get out |
| 21:37.46 | Nechckn | Amarande is that the rather big area in the SE that you mean or up in the NW corner? |
| 21:37.56 | Amarande | it's towards the S central part |
| 21:38.20 | Nechckn | Ah, just the tiny one, right? |
| 21:38.28 | Amarande | and the way the ground is textured there, plus yeah it's tiny |
| 21:38.29 | Nechckn | Over by the dinosaur thing? |
| 21:38.33 | Amarande | makes it virtually impossible to see :) |
| 21:38.39 | Amarande | hmm, I'm trying to remember the landmarks |
| 21:38.49 | Amarande | like I said, around 42,62 or so |
| 21:39.23 | Nechckn | That map has a few places like that, unless they changed it in 3.3.3 or x.2 |
| 21:39.24 | Amarande | I actually had to have a guildie warlock summon me out to Shattrath when I fell in there once |
| 21:39.26 | Kraps | seriously, whats the deal with female worgen? |
| 21:39.33 | Amarande | Kraps: No idea. |
| 21:39.39 | Amarande | Especially since I'm unlikely to make a worgen for a long time. |
| 21:39.55 | Nechckn | Kraps Same as male Mythra in FFXI, et al. |
| 21:39.58 | Amarande | I'll make a goblin almost immediately, but I don't really actively play Alliance anywhere of late, so I don't know when I'll get around to making a worgen |
| 21:40.13 | Amarande | Wait, are worgen a one-gender-only species or are they just not showing the model for the female yet? |
| 21:40.29 | Nechckn | At least that is my impression of it, they just hang at home or some silliness like that to "work" with the backstory. |
| 21:40.41 | Amarande | Ew, FFXI |
| 21:40.42 | Kraps | like someone said: "The female worgen... like the cake... is a lie" |
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| 21:41.15 | Nechckn | Eh, it was fun when it was new, Amarande. Better than EQ 1 (at least at that time) |
| 21:41.28 | Amarande | Nechckn: the problem with FFXI was the demands it made on your life |
| 21:41.29 | olafski | I doubt they'll make it male only |
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| 21:41.38 | olafski | imagine the qq storm that will result from that |
| 21:41.50 | Amarande | not only did you basically HAVE to have an appropriate grouping linkshell to do much of anything at all past the noob levels |
| 21:41.51 | Nechckn | Amarande try EVE sometime if you want a total life waster. |
| 21:41.56 | olafski | bad media attention too! "blizzard hates female gamers" |
| 21:42.07 | Amarande | but you also of course had to have friends who leveled at the *exact same pace as you* |
| 21:42.09 | Fisker | i have nothing to live for NightHawkTheSane |
| 21:42.10 | Xyphoid | female worgen will look like naked mole rats |
| 21:42.17 | Amarande | olafski: why do I suspect that the female worgen will just look the same as the males :) |
| 21:42.21 | Nechckn | olafski But, females all make males, so they can stare @ their bums while playing. |
| 21:42.29 | Nechckn | Oh... wait, that is the guy excuse... |
| 21:42.41 | Kraps | ^ |
| 21:42.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker: you can always live for.. um.. well, no, i guess you're right |
| 21:43.06 | Amarande | but anyway ... I don't play Alliance much, which is going to put a damper on me experiencing worgen. |
| 21:43.13 | Kraps | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/august/cataclysmpreviewpanel_009.jpg |
| 21:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Nechckn: well yeah, that IS why I make male toons.. er.. :P |
| 21:43.33 | Amarande | otoh, I will be making a gob shaman possibly on release day. |
| 21:43.52 | Amarande | well ... maybe a few days after release day, depending on how many of my "can't stay sane without it" addons are ready when Cata hits |
| 21:44.07 | Nechckn | NightHawkTheSane Pixelated buts are... well, pixelated crap anywhoo. Who does not use the overhead view 95% of the time, anyway? |
| 21:44.28 | Amarande | There's an overhead view mode? |
| 21:44.39 | Xyphoid | zoom right out, look down via the mouse |
| 21:44.40 | Xyphoid | it's great |
| 21:44.48 | Amarande | Well ... I can point the camera that way but it tends not to stay for long when you're moving around |
| 21:44.59 | Nechckn | Well, the elevated, 45 degree to the earth view, just "above" the toon's head. |
| 21:45.10 | Amarande | oh, wait, it does stay |
| 21:45.19 | Amarande | I just keep changing back because I like to oh, actually see where I'm going for instance :) |
| 21:45.34 | Kraps | Amarande: the goblin and worgen starting zones will be bad at release, due to the million and one toons |
| 21:45.45 | Xyphoid | as soon as i discovered that the mousewheel zoom goes out a long way, i stopped dying to adds |
| 21:46.05 | Nechckn | Xyphoid exactly =) |
| 21:46.15 | Amarande | Kraps: well, if azshara is too awful I could always take the goblin off to ghostlands |
| 21:46.19 | Amarande | but there'd still be 1-10 I guess |
| 21:46.27 | Amarande | so does this mean each faction is now going to consist of *six* reps? |
| 21:46.29 | Xyphoid | kind of defeats the point doesn't it? |
| 21:46.49 | Xyphoid | i want new quest content! |
| 21:47.01 | Amarande | and us "exalted with everything" folks are going to end up being neutral and having to farm a million runecloth to catch up on Azshara/Gilneas? |
| 21:47.12 | kd3 | of course |
| 21:47.18 | kd3 | and doing the newbie leveling quests |
| 21:47.25 | Nechckn | Xyphoid starting areas will likely not provide much, but the revamped Barrens, et al, will. |
| 21:47.25 | Lunessa | When I did the noobie quests for goblins I was able to hit level 9 before finishing the story (at BlizzCon) |
| 21:47.39 | Xyphoid | surely not, i hear they'll just give you exalted with the new reps |
| 21:47.53 | kd3 | from who? |
| 21:47.57 | kd3 | they've never done that before |
| 21:48.05 | Nechckn | I think it was a joke.... |
| 21:48.10 | ZorbaBeta | yeah that seems quite unlikely :) |
| 21:48.16 | Amarande | Lunessa: only level 9? |
| 21:48.21 | Amarande | wow, sounds like goblins will have it rough |
| 21:48.23 | Lunessa | I was rushing. |
| 21:48.27 | Amarande | usually the starter areas for horde dump you out at 11-12 |
| 21:48.34 | Lunessa | And these were the introductory quests. |
| 21:48.37 | Amarande | except for durotar which seems to suck for some reason |
| 21:48.39 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, well, consider that they're also retooling all the starter areas. |
| 21:48.43 | kd3 | the goblin quests /stopped/ there |
| 21:48.53 | kd3 | "you've reached the end of blizzcon! "grats!" |
| 21:49.13 | Nechckn | lol, one way to make a controlled exit. |
| 21:49.20 | Lunessa | They were engaging quests too, |
| 21:49.35 | ZorbaBeta | please fetch me 7 squid knuckles |
| 21:49.50 | Lunessa | I liked the Goblin ones better than the Worgen quests. But I liked the Worgen zone graphics better |
| 21:49.56 | Nechckn | I am nearly unable to rush, so any new quests are always welcome. |
| 21:50.04 | NightHawkTheSane | no, no guys, clearly that was a finished product. he's right, goblins are going to get screwed! head for the hills! jump the sinking hsi |
| 21:50.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ship! |
| 21:50.21 | Kraps | "0 towers i cant get [School of Hard Knocks]" |
| 21:50.24 | Lunessa | Well, they only let you play for a little bit. Lots of people wanted to play. |
| 21:50.28 | Kraps | NO SHIT SHERLOCK |
| 21:51.20 | Xyphoid | so, no more secret alts from your rl friends |
| 21:51.22 | Xyphoid | fun fun |
| 21:51.41 | Amarande | heh, is the friends list integrated with facebook now? :) |
| 21:52.03 | Kraps | Amarande: the realid thing? |
| 21:52.10 | Kraps | er no "?" |
| 21:52.10 | Fisker | This is an automated notification sent from our account security system. You logined your account successfully at 4:27 on April 26th form the 125.37.155.* range, but our system shows the 125.88.100.* IP range exists a large number of hackers. As too many customer complaints, the 125.29.149.* IP range has been blacklisted. |
| 21:52.11 | Xyphoid | funny you should say that |
| 21:52.12 | Fisker | lololol |
| 21:52.20 | Lunessa | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/press/pressreleases.html?100505 || http://us.battle.net/realid/index.html |
| 21:52.31 | Fisker | "Ok you logged in from Range A, In Range B there's a lot of hackers, so due to that, we're blocking Range C" |
| 21:52.34 | Fisker | uh ok. |
| 21:53.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: ugh, thats lovely |
| 21:53.08 | Amarande | heh, I wonder if Blizz are aware of the connotation of the phrase "real ID" |
| 21:53.18 | Fisker | real doll? |
| 21:53.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i really want my warcraft account with one of the most insecure social networking sites ever concieved. |
| 21:53.24 | Nechckn | That is one silly notification. Nice they tell you where not to host your hackerbotmachine. |
| 21:53.56 | Amarande | Fisker: actually I was thinking of the recent US federal laws regarding ID, heh |
| 21:54.10 | Amarande | the ones that were passed after PATRIOT |
| 21:54.26 | Xyphoid | 'there will not be an option to hide specific characters from Real ID friends or to appear offline to them when youre logged in.' will be awwwwkward for a lot of people |
| 21:54.37 | Xyphoid | i can hear the drama starting already |
| 21:54.38 | Fisker | i don't see how |
| 21:54.55 | Fisker | man |
| 21:55.01 | Nechckn | As if most gamers know anything about travel and such, Amarande. ;-) |
| 21:55.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Xyphoid: the answer to that seems easy: if you dont like it, don't use it. |
| 21:55.09 | Fisker | it's so annoying they banned me for a week |
| 21:55.15 | Fisker | i was trolling 3 threads at the moment |
| 21:55.26 | Fisker | and i have no chance to make a rebuttal |
| 21:55.50 | Nechckn | Which threads, troll o' matic? |
| 21:55.59 | Amarande | Fisker: it actually said "logined"? |
| 21:56.06 | Amarande | sure that's not a half-assed scam mail? |
| 21:56.45 | Fisker | it is |
| 21:56.49 | Fisker | that's my point |
| 21:58.25 | Nechckn | The one thing wrong with the FB thing is look at what was once "optional" BattleNet authentication... |
| 21:58.47 | Fisker | basically that's what i thought was so funny |
| 21:58.47 | Kraps | lol Nechckn |
| 21:58.55 | Fisker | They had 3 different IP ranges with no relation to eachother |
| 21:58.59 | Nechckn | Not that I have an issue with that, per se, but there could well be things that you will miss out on without it. |
| 21:59.04 | Kraps | WANT MY TINFOIL HAT? |
| 21:59.48 | Nechckn | Kraps Just sayin' "past behaviour is a good indicator of future performance" for all but the stockmarket. |
| 21:59.48 | DWSR | Nechckn: Thank you for spelling per se correctly. |
| 22:00.13 | Kraps | no Nechckn |
| 22:00.31 | Amarande | will we eventually end up using our FB name and password to log onto WoW? |
| 22:00.53 | Kraps | hey Amarande |
| 22:00.56 | Nechckn | Kraps Okey dokey, we will have to wait and see. Again, not that I really care either way. |
| 22:00.58 | nicoli_s | i bet it will more than likely be like all the other shitty fb game interaction |
| 22:01.19 | nicoli_s | where it just posts stuff for you if you want it to, and you can view/add bnet friends from fb |
| 22:03.32 | Lunessa | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/195659/users_are_their_own_worst_enemy_for_online_privacy.html |
| 22:06.04 | Fisker | well duh |
| 22:06.43 | Nechckn | Yeah... nothing new, but still sort of good to smack people over the head every now and then. |
| 22:07.35 | Nechckn | Heck, just think of what you could compile just from IRC grumblings. |
| 22:07.57 | Nechckn | Likely quite a bit about someone, over a period of weeks or months. |
| 22:08.47 | Nechckn | Sort of like tards not shredding credit card and other "account" type mail and then wondering who stole their info! |
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| 22:12.20 | Kraps | EOTS is the worst bg this week |
| 22:13.04 | Kraps | an least in the other bgs you can get the achievement during normal play |
| 22:13.28 | Kraps | here its just "rush the flag" |
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| 22:32.32 | durcyn | god, fuck your halfassed backport patchy clusterfuck bastardization of apache to hell and back twice, Red Hat. |
| 22:32.53 | DWSR | durcyn: Or, use Gentoo. |
| 22:33.06 | durcyn | DWSR: i do, this is a legacy box i haven't converted yet |
| 22:33.09 | DWSR | ah |
| 22:33.59 | durcyn | seriously though, 2.2.3.23570123505 is not the way to package software |
| 22:34.08 | DWSR | wtf @ bugfix number. |
| 22:34.18 | durcyn | that was hyperbole. |
| 22:34.34 | DWSR | Is there anywhere that deals with the black art of nameplates? |
| 22:35.27 | DWSR | Or do I need to just tias? |
| 22:36.28 | Amarande | wow |
| 22:36.33 | Amarande | only level 66 and I'm already doing 900+ DPS |
| 22:36.47 | cybermind` | theres that addon someone made that makes the same e-peen thing that was blizzard's april fools |
| 22:36.50 | cybermind` | you could give that a looksee |
| 22:37.02 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 22:37.15 | DWSR | I could also look at Aloft and TidyPlates. |
| 22:37.15 | Torhal | VirtualPlates, Aloft, TidyPlates |
| 22:37.16 | cybermind` | should still be relatively recently new on curse |
| 22:37.25 | Amarande | is that normal for a DK, or am I actually particularly good at being a DK? |
| 22:37.29 | cybermind` | yeah..also theres one that does colored nameplates for faction champs |
| 22:37.38 | cybermind` | which is probably a good one for reading and just getting your feet wet |
| 22:37.40 | DWSR | Torhal: But is there anywhere where the black magic is actually taught? |
| 22:37.43 | cybermind` | i doubt theres much to that particular one |
| 22:37.50 | DWSR | cybermind`: Know the name of it? |
| 22:37.55 | cybermind` | uhhhh not off hand let me look |
| 22:38.14 | kd3 | aloft |
| 22:38.19 | cybermind` | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14655-FactionChampionNameplateColors.html |
| 22:38.25 | cybermind` | that one ONLY does faction champ nameplates |
| 22:38.42 | DWSR | Yeah, that's fine. |
| 22:38.48 | DWSR | Want to know how to interact with them. |
| 22:38.48 | cybermind` | does look pretty simple |
| 22:39.23 | cybermind` | eh that just scans |
| 22:41.20 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 22:41.30 | DWSR | So nameplates are all just unnamed children of the worldframe? |
| 22:41.34 | NightHawkTheSane | stabs maven, and tomcat, and hudson |
| 22:41.42 | NightHawkTheSane | stabs DWSR just because he's kind of in a stabby mood. |
| 22:41.47 | Kraps | anyone heard the drama surrounding http://www.azerothunited.com/ ? |
| 22:41.48 | DWSR | And I can work on the assumption that anything that's not named and is a child of WF is a nameplate? |
| 22:41.55 | DWSR | NHTS: Hey! That hurt :( |
| 22:42.45 | Torhal | DWSR: Not really - for the longest time all there was to choose from was Aloft |
| 22:42.57 | Torhal | It's just been recently that all these nameplate AddOns have sprung up |
| 22:43.18 | DWSR | Torhal: I'm talking about the actual frames? |
| 22:43.39 | Torhal | Right - with only one AddOn that dealt with them, there wasn't much interest :) |
| 22:43.46 | Torhal | So I kinda doubt there's and real "documentation" |
| 22:43.57 | Torhal | s/and/any/ |
| 22:44.10 | cybermind` | seems to be the case, dwsr |
| 22:45.28 | DWSR | Is there a way to dumb a table? |
| 22:45.39 | Torhal | ? |
| 22:45.42 | DWSR | into a human readable format? |
| 22:45.45 | Torhal | Oh |
| 22:46.11 | Torhal | for k, v in pairs(table) do print(string.format("key: %s value: %s", k, v)) end |
| 22:46.22 | DWSR | M, thanks. |
| 22:46.33 | cybermind` | dwsr: i would basically use the same function they have |
| 22:46.44 | cybermind` | TidyPlates checks for the specific named/textured region |
| 22:47.10 | cybermind` | -- IsFrameNameplate: Checks to see if the frame is a Blizz nameplate |
| 22:47.10 | cybermind` | local function IsFrameNameplate(frame) |
| 22:47.11 | cybermind` | local region = frame:GetRegions() |
| 22:47.11 | cybermind` | return region and region:GetObjectType() == "Texture" and region:GetTexture() == "Interface\\TargetingFrame\\UI-TargetingFrame-Flash" |
| 22:47.11 | Torhal | cybermind`: That may be the only way to do it, or it could be like cat-skinning. |
| 22:47.11 | cybermind` | end |
| 22:47.33 | cybermind` | i woudlnt trust the apparent notion of "unnamed frames are nameplates" |
| 22:51.55 | DWSR | anyway, dinnar. |
| 22:51.57 | DWSR | bbiaw. |
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| 22:59.01 | Adys | [2. Trade] [Iv]: WTS 7 gold itch |
| 22:59.08 | Adys | who would buy a 7-gold itch? |
| 22:59.50 | Kraps | what IS a 7-gold itch? |
| 23:00.32 | Adys | Im guessing for 7 gold he makes your scratch yourself |
| 23:00.34 | Adys | thats terrible |
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| 23:00.39 | Adys | is it like a hooker mosquitoe? |
| 23:00.46 | Adys | hoosquitoe? |
| 23:01.03 | p3lim | anyone with javascript knowledge mind cleaning up this relatively short code for me so that it is readable? |
| 23:01.04 | p3lim | http://gist.github.com/391572 |
| 23:02.09 | Adys | p3lim: http://dpaste.com/191358/ |
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| 23:09.52 | Adys | My hobby: Faking being a chinese farmer on my mules and enjoying the GMs saying hi a few days later |
| 23:11.43 | p3lim | Adys: thanks ;) |
| 23:13.39 | Jamash | NI HAO? |
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| 23:13.48 | Zernin | Hi folks, anyone know how I need to format text in an edit box to make it copy to an out of game editor with line breaks in place? I have tried \n and \n\r |
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| 23:15.54 | Adys | Zernin: \r\n |
| 23:16.00 | Adys | (return, newline) |
| 23:18.40 | cogwheel | eep got the new google result page |
| 23:19.10 | Jamash | what's this now? |
| 23:19.35 | Torhal | I'm not noticing anything different. Hrm. |
| 23:19.46 | cogwheel | they're beta testing it for random people |
| 23:20.10 | Jamash | oh I think I've had that for a while |
| 23:20.17 | Adys | cogwheel: no, they're starting to roll it out |
| 23:20.30 | cogwheel | or that |
| 23:20.53 | cybermind` | with the toolbar on hte left? |
| 23:21.04 | cogwheel | http://www.switched.com/2010/05/05/google-facelift-adds-updated-logo-new-search-results-layout/ |
| 23:21.07 | Zernin | hmm, that's working for wordpad, but not notepad, odd.... |
| 23:21.09 | Adys | yes |
| 23:21.19 | Adys | Zernin: Notepad is shite |
| 23:21.29 | Adys | So is wordpad for that matter :p |
| 23:21.51 | Zernin | yes, but I'm just trying to format my text appropriately for whatever editor someone happens to be copying to :) |
| 23:22.20 | cogwheel | \r\n for windows \n for linux & macosX and \r for pre-osx macs iirc |
| 23:22.39 | cogwheel | s/linux/*nix/ |
| 23:22.41 | Adys | Zernin: use \r\n |
| 23:23.15 | Adys | "At first glance, the new layout definitely appears similar to Facebook's left-side vertical toolbar." |
| 23:23.16 | Adys | wow |
| 23:23.19 | Adys | some journalism there |
| 23:23.28 | Adys | how about it's originally from ask.com |
| 23:23.38 | Adys | which is, like, relevant |
| 23:23.45 | cogwheel | 'cause a navigation toolbar on the left side of the page is SOOO unique |
| 23:24.07 | Adys | on search engines it does have an origin |
| 23:24.15 | Jamash | Adys: new media can only report popular things in relation to other popular things |
| 23:24.21 | DWSR | Zernin: If you're trying to be cross-platform compatible, you'll unfortunately have to use \r\n. |
| 23:24.21 | Jamash | s/new/news/ |
| 23:24.23 | cogwheel | haha... i googled "search" and teh first result is bing |
| 23:24.24 | Zernin | hrm, either the WoW editbox or the windows 7 notepad is cutting out my \r\n :( |
| 23:24.28 | DWSR | Since not much on Windows supports only \n. |
| 23:24.51 | Jamash | cogwheel: boo |
| 23:25.32 | Adys | oh bullshit |
| 23:25.39 | Adys | you need to be level 10 to get an orphan |
| 23:26.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (~Lunessa@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 23:26.54 | cog|away | tacos! |
| 23:29.14 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man |
| 23:29.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i would kick a child for tacos. |
| 23:29.35 | DWSR | I would kick NHTS for a taco, if Shirik would give me ops. |
| 23:29.42 | DWSR | ucwutididthar? |
| 23:29.49 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, i would kick myself for a taco |
| 23:29.55 | DWSR | rofl |
| 23:30.02 | DWSR | ORLY |
| 23:30.03 | NightHawkTheSane | is a little hungry |
| 23:30.06 | Torhal | But would you compromise in the face of Armageddon? |
| 23:30.14 | Lunessa | I has a ruben. |
| 23:30.23 | alestane | Tastiness. |
| 23:30.30 | Torhal | GIEF! |
| 23:30.36 | NightHawkTheSane | you mean a reuben? |
| 23:30.45 | Lunessa | that too. |
| 23:31.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o DWSR] by Shirik |
| 23:31.18 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o DWSR] by Shirik |
| 23:31.21 | NightHawkTheSane | They're tasty, but i'm not such a gigantic fan of sourkraut and rye |
| 23:31.22 | Shirik | you didn't kick him |
| 23:31.26 | NightHawkTheSane | lulz |
| 23:31.28 | Torhal | Haha |
| 23:31.54 | Lunessa | This rye doesn't have the carroway seeds in it, and is pretty mild. |
| 23:32.01 | NightHawkTheSane | you totally had plenty of time, too. i was halfway through typing /join #wowuidev :P |
| 23:32.16 | Lunessa | NO TACO FOR YOU! |
| 23:32.21 | Lopeppeppy | NO TACO! |
| 23:32.23 | NightHawkTheSane | can i ahve his taco? |
| 23:33.13 | Lopeppeppy | I don't care, arm wrestle him for it I guess. |
| 23:33.16 | Torhal | Murlacos? |
| 23:33.17 | Lunessa | go go go dedicated PVP spec. |
| 23:33.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: there's a deli near here that makes an AMAZING sandwich, corned beef, pastrami, swiss, and spicy mustard on rye.. |
| 23:33.50 | NightHawkTheSane | it's hot and delicious. |
| 23:34.10 | Torhal | NHTS: Damn you. |
| 23:34.17 | Torhal | drinks MOAR coffee. |
| 23:34.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller_ (~Tuller@c-69-143-49-212.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 23:34.24 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: That does sound good. Especially if the cheese is melted. |
| 23:34.56 | DWSR | Shirik: I was in shock at the fact that you opped me. |
| 23:34.58 | DWSR | Really. |
| 23:35.36 | Torhal | I think he just regained conciousness. |
| 23:37.15 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik is always a little silly after a nap. |
| 23:37.44 | Lunessa | Wait, Shirik slept? |
| 23:38.25 | DWSR | Anyone know if Tidy Plates allows you to set a healthbar to a class colour? |
| 23:38.49 | DWSR | Anyone have a link for Tidy Plate API documentation? |
| 23:38.59 | Lopeppeppy | I saw it happen. |
| 23:39.25 | Lunessa | DWSR I think it's all in the comments. |
| 23:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yes, melted, it is extremely good :) |
| 23:40.05 | Fisker | you are my bitchduck NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:40.38 | Lunessa | Fisker, how the fuck does that even make sense? |
| 23:40.51 | Lopeppeppy | What is a bitchduck? |
| 23:41.00 | Lopeppeppy | Is that different than a drake? I would assume so. |
| 23:41.24 | DWSR | OH SHIT |
| 23:41.29 | DWSR | NEW GOOGLE LAYOUT IS NEW |
| 23:41.34 | Amarande_ | hmm |
| 23:41.47 | Amarande_ | how much of a noob do people think of you as at 80 when you're not a scribe and aren't exalted yet with hodir? |
| 23:41.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh help, oh noes! |
| 23:42.11 | Xyphoid | nobody looks at your reps surely |
| 23:42.15 | Xyphoid | they look if you have a shoulder enchant |
| 23:42.23 | Amarande_ | Xyphoid: yeah, but you can't get a shoulder enchant otherwise, can you? |
| 23:42.31 | Xyphoid | oh wait i read that as 'when you're a scribe' |
| 23:42.46 | Xyphoid | well, they're BOA now aren't they? |
| 23:42.51 | Xyphoid | or is that just hat enchants |
| 23:43.09 | Amarande_ | heh my warlock is still using a scryers enchant if I recall |
| 23:46.34 | DWSR | Can I look up the default class colours some how, in a table perhaps? |
| 23:47.41 | DWSR | ah, nevermind. |
| 23:47.47 | Lunessa | They're in ChatFrame.lua in the default ui |
| 23:48.10 | DWSR | http://www.wowwiki.com/Class_colors |
| 23:48.17 | DWSR | Apparently they're also in Constants.xml |
| 23:48.22 | DWSR | s/xml/lua/ |
| 23:52.00 | DWSR | !api ClassColor |
| 23:52.00 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'ClassColor'. |
| 23:52.22 | foxlit | hm, pretty table <3 |
| 23:52.39 | cybermind` | RAID_CLASS_COLORS |
| 23:53.02 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 23:53.09 | DWSR | I can't do what I want to do easily anyway. |
| 23:58.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Cloudwolf (~chatzilla@c-71-227-249-44.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 23:58.56 | Shirik | o.o |
| 23:59.03 | Shirik | my cable company is opening a 40mbps service |
| 23:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | for how much/mo? |
