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| 00:08.35 | Kraps | http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129149909360017151.jpg |
| 00:08.59 | Fisker | farted on Kraps |
| 00:09.23 | Kraps | no |
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| 00:10.50 | ZorbaTHut | I want a UI mod that automatically turns sound off if you're in Exodar |
| 00:10.53 | ZorbaTHut | someone make me this :( |
| 00:13.20 | alestane | Seriously, how long would that take you. |
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| 00:13.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I could do it in about 40 seconds |
| 00:13.49 | ScytheBlade1 | 20 of those looking up the function to turn the sound off |
| 00:13.57 | ZorbaTHut | it would take me not being lazy |
| 00:14.35 | ZorbaTHut | and honestly it's been long enough since I played around with UI mods that it would take a bit, I'd have to remember how to do event hooking. plus I'd want it to work properly, i.e. turning sound back on when you leave, but not if you turned it off on your own manually |
| 00:14.44 | ZorbaTHut | and none of that is entirely trivial |
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| 00:27.41 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: what does exodar sound like? |
| 00:28.16 | alestane | Sort of a cross between a wind chime and a glass harmonica. I find it soothing myself, but not everyone might. |
| 00:28.22 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:28.27 | ZorbaTHut | etc, etc, etc, etc |
| 00:28.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's rather nice short-term except that I keep my bank alt in exodar and it's really irritating when I'm just letting my scripts run AFK |
| 00:30.49 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: is exodar good for things like AH/mailbox/forge? |
| 00:30.55 | Jerub | i like TB the best for horde |
| 00:30.58 | foxlit | And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. |
| 00:31.07 | foxlit | The developer of QH cannot write an event handler :) |
| 00:31.10 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the AH and mailbox are right next to each other. although I've heard Stormwind is better |
| 00:31.11 | foxlit | </silly> |
| 00:31.29 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, I actually wrapped the functionality in QH to make it easier - the downside being that I don't know what the actual code is ;) |
| 00:32.14 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: SW? |
| 00:32.18 | Fisker | ZorbaTHut WobWork |
| 00:32.26 | WobWork | there's a forge near the AH? |
| 00:32.31 | Fisker | ooooooooold |
| 00:32.33 | Jerub | WobWork: in TB. |
| 00:32.34 | alestane | There's a mailbox right outside the AH door in SW now. |
| 00:32.36 | WobWork | I thought you had to run all the way to the dwarf quarter |
| 00:32.36 | ZorbaTHut | oh, I don't care at all about forges |
| 00:32.44 | ZorbaTHut | it's the mailbox/ah/bank network that I care about |
| 00:32.46 | WobWork | Jerub: UC is actually better |
| 00:32.55 | Fisker | orgrimmar is fine |
| 00:32.57 | WobWork | for Mail/AH |
| 00:32.58 | Jerub | TB has a forge that's 5 yards from the AH, Org is a million miles. |
| 00:33.07 | WobWork | you stand in one spot and can access both |
| 00:33.09 | Jerub | a little bit of a hike for the mailbox |
| 00:33.29 | WobWork | UC has a mailbox next to every auctioneer >< |
| 00:34.16 | WobWork | although, for my main, the criteria usually is "How far is the AH from the mailbox and the AH/mailbox combo from the portal point" |
| 00:34.40 | WobWork | which actually is IF for my ally |
| 00:34.47 | WobWork | although Exodar might actually be better |
| 00:35.23 | ZorbaTHut | IF is more awesome than Exodar, so I use it as my home base |
| 00:35.36 | foxlit | Bah! |
| 00:35.39 | foxlit | Exodar is brilliant |
| 00:35.46 | ZorbaTHut | though it wouldn't surprise me if the Darnassus AH was even closer to the portal point than the Ironforge AH |
| 00:35.48 | foxlit | You used to be able to port there from Shatt without a loading screen. |
| 00:36.01 | ZorbaTHut | unfortunately the nearest mailbox to there sucks. |
| 00:36.15 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, you still can, sort of, it's a much shorter loading screen |
| 00:36.25 | foxlit | It annoys me! |
| 00:36.40 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I wish the "non-zone-change loading screen" was an option |
| 00:36.53 | foxlit | In fact, so do all of the shorter loading screens. There was a time when they weren't around, and my rose tinted glasses can't remember any problems. |
| 00:37.08 | ZorbaTHut | there were more load-in problems, and the game framerate suffered |
| 00:37.10 | Jerub | Org is good for everything but my smith |
| 00:37.14 | ZorbaTHut | it wouldn't surprise me if it was causing disconnects too |
| 00:38.18 | Nechckn | They added an anvil and forge nearer to the AH in Org. I forget the exact spot, but it is just a short jaunt, rather than across the entire city. |
| 00:38.32 | ZorbaTHut | (by "it was causing disconnects", I mean "it, combined with Blizzard's overzealous and badly designed buffering code, that they seem strangely attached to, was causing disconnects") |
| 00:38.44 | Nechckn | Oh.. in front of the "craft stuff" hut in Org, by the front gate. |
| 00:39.21 | Jerub | Nechckn: really? |
| 00:39.28 | Jerub | Nechckn: oh dammit. thanks |
| 00:39.30 | Nechckn | Yep, check it out. |
| 00:39.39 | Jerub | man, i never use the front gate |
| 00:40.08 | Nechckn | Same with Darnassus, they added a forge and anvil right next to the AH. The only thing to walk for there is the bank, unfortunately. |
| 00:40.10 | Fisker | farts Jerub |
| 00:40.36 | Nechckn | Actually, just the anvil, the forge was there for a while, on the Warrior terrace thingy. |
| 00:40.40 | ZorbaTHut | I have way too much strange dust :( |
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| 00:42.07 | Shirik | A word of advice |
| 00:42.21 | Nechckn | Only one word, Shirik? |
| 00:42.26 | Shirik | before you post to a full-disclosure security list, think about whether or not you know WTF you're talking about |
| 00:42.33 | Shirik | closing your message with "Uh that's all. Please think about it is possible, because my programming skills are to low to make it working." is a good sign you should stay away |
| 00:43.07 | Fisker | What is the one thing you don't put in a trap Shirik |
| 00:43.10 | Nechckn | That is more than one word, you!! But still a worthy piece of advice. |
| 00:43.26 | foxlit | The Doctor! |
| 00:44.05 | Fisker | no foxlit |
| 00:44.08 | Fisker | it's me! |
| 00:44.22 | foxlit | Is that because nothing would bite? |
| 00:48.05 | Dagmar | Now, Amelia Pond is another matter entirely. |
| 00:49.20 | Jerub | mmm Amelia Pond. |
| 00:49.48 | Dagmar | *delicious* |
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| 00:53.18 | Nechckn | Eh... kinda sorta. Personally think she misses on the sexy aspect of Whossociates. |
| 00:53.35 | Nechckn | Martha had that nailed down. |
| 00:56.23 | Gintaro | "I downloaded this add-on and found it more confusing and irritating than expected. I do not need another learning curve after the job, taxes, etc. Now I cannot see any way to uninstall the ad- on. I guess I'll have to uninstall Firefox and start again." |
| 00:56.29 | Gintaro | He failed at computing101 |
| 00:56.31 | Fisker | i like you Shirik |
| 00:57.53 | Fisker | do you like me Shirik ? |
| 00:58.21 | WobWork | Tick any that apply: (Y) (N) (GTFO) |
| 00:58.27 | WobWork | passes on the note |
| 00:58.34 | Shirik | Fisker: Tits or gtfo |
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| 01:09.07 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 01:11.58 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 01:12.05 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 01:12.30 | Fisker | do you value your continued existence? |
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| 01:13.23 | Thunder_Child | i dont value your continued existence Fisker |
| 01:13.39 | Fisker | Then you shouldn't put me in a trap |
| 01:15.42 | Kraps | Fisker: do you trust Shirik to act in the best interests of the project? |
| 01:16.59 | kd3 | no? |
| 01:17.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:18.43 | Kraps | well, he has only been active about six months. on the other hand, he is highly experienced, and I've seen some very good abuse filters from him. |
| 01:18.56 | Kraps | (wow i'm bored) |
| 01:18.59 | Shirik | ._. |
| 01:19.13 | Shirik | Basically the amusing thing is |
| 01:19.20 | Shirik | I can already pretty much do anything any administrator can do |
| 01:19.22 | Shirik | just not the same way |
| 01:19.35 | kd3 | did your bot get desysopped yet? |
| 01:19.37 | Shirik | protect a page? Sure! article_text == 'Page name' |
| 01:19.43 | Shirik | kd3: Yes, they fixed the extension :P |
| 01:20.06 | Shirik | block a user? Sure! "User" in user_name |
| 01:20.57 | WobWork | Shirik: http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=1&music=1&url=www.atlassian.com |
| 01:21.05 | WobWork | altassian's proposed new site makeover |
| 01:21.17 | Dagmar | euuw |
| 01:21.48 | Shirik | ... |
| 01:22.24 | Shirik | that is awesome WobWork |
| 01:22.25 | kd3 | oh wow at the arena tournament |
| 01:22.55 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401858166&sid=1 |
| 01:23.29 | WobWork | kd3: nice |
| 01:24.56 | Dagmar | God I hope they postpone deleting the worst examples until halfway through |
| 01:25.02 | kd3 | no kidding |
| 01:30.18 | Gnarfoz | wtb public list of deleted names |
| 01:30.32 | WobWork | absolutely |
| 01:30.48 | Thunder_Child | my problem is that they do not define 'inappropriate'. while i am sure that 'cunt' is an inappropriate name, what about 'slutbanger' or 'pinktaco' or even 'blizzsucks' |
| 01:30.57 | Dagmar | Have you ever dug out hte list of pre-banned names on some of these asian games? |
| 01:31.08 | Dagmar | You probably actually *don't* want a list of the banned names unless you're a fan of obscenity |
| 01:31.19 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: their definition is "Anything we deem offensive at the time" |
| 01:31.21 | Jerub | dammit. |
| 01:31.27 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: yea, thats my issue |
| 01:31.33 | WobWork | nothing wrong with that =P |
| 01:31.33 | Zyn | Team Deedlenicks by Puttblug |
| 01:31.36 | Jerub | my team is 9 inches unbuffed. :/ |
| 01:31.43 | WobWork | it's their game |
| 01:31.48 | WobWork | they can do whatever they want =P |
| 01:31.52 | Jerub | (my other arena mates are 14 year olds from my guild) |
| 01:32.01 | Gnarfoz | check the naming rules, for starters |
| 01:32.05 | WobWork | if you're going to tempt fate with "BlizzSucks" then all the more power for you =P |
| 01:32.07 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: not if they want to keep players |
| 01:32.11 | Gnarfoz | anything that violates *those* fits |
| 01:32.16 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: pft |
| 01:32.21 | WobWork | people will still play |
| 01:32.33 | WobWork | people will still pay |
| 01:32.50 | WobWork | you have noone but yourself to blame for deletion if you don't choose a non offensive name |
| 01:33.36 | Dagmar | I blame the parents. |
| 01:33.44 | Thunder_Child | thats my point, what non-offensive to blizzard |
| 01:33.52 | Dagmar | If they beat their kids now and again, their kids woulnd't blatantly pick names that are offensive. |
| 01:34.09 | Thunder_Child | whats* |
| 01:34.30 | Dagmar | ...and then try to hide behind lame excuses like "But there's nothing offensive 'Sockcucker'!" |
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| 01:35.31 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1271965170.jpg |
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| 01:50.47 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: if you think that there's a chance that Blizzard will find it offensive |
| 01:50.50 | WobWork | it'll be offensive |
| 01:51.12 | WobWork | it's pretty simple =P |
| 01:51.32 | WobWork | If you're not sure if it's going to be flagged as offensive, then there's enough reasonable doubt to not use it =P |
| 01:52.11 | Thunder_Child | take....codemonkey for example, i doubt that would be flagged, but i am sure there are people that find that offensive |
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| 01:52.52 | WobWork | so.. don't use it |
| 01:53.06 | Thunder_Child | but by that logic you wouldnt use anything |
| 01:53.22 | Thunder_Child | i'm sure you could find some idiot who thinks 'air' is offensive |
| 01:57.36 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1269354511.jpg |
| 02:02.13 | Hirsute | Kraps: I wonder if he caught it |
| 02:03.40 | WobWork | It should totally be 'Happyness" |
| 02:04.48 | Adys | a bunch of users just reported the alexa web archive as a phishing site |
| 02:04.48 | Adys | ... |
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| 02:19.47 | WobWork | whenever I see WWDC |
| 02:19.49 | WobWork | I think |
| 02:19.58 | WobWork | "What Would ... D.. er... " |
| 02:19.59 | Thunder_Child | democrats? |
| 02:32.56 | Hirsute | Heh, win! http://www.wowbash.com/image-3668.html |
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| 02:40.06 | Adys | http://singularityhub.com/2010/04/28/lego-robot-solves-bigger-and-harder-rubiks-cubes-video/ |
| 02:40.20 | Cairenn | ~seen end |
| 02:40.21 | purl | end <n=end@tetris.cornhooves.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 168d 1h 45m 21s ago, saying: 'weird'. |
| 02:40.44 | Hirsute | And, I think this is the best one I've seen yet: http://www.wowbash.com/image-9114.html |
| 02:42.42 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: you mean http://farm1.static.flickr.com/104/298993856_76f0a15db6.jpg ? |
| 02:42.57 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:43.05 | Cairenn | no, not so much |
| 02:45.22 | Kraps | bibi |
| 02:45.46 | kd3 | bibi |
| 02:45.50 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401858196&sid=1&pageNo=3#50 |
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| 02:50.35 | kd3 | wait, wait... it's 4 am his time. no updates any time soon to quell the bitching |
| 02:52.42 | Thunder_Child | guys reason for being afk "[19:51:21] [P] [70:Waffelez-Cen]: my mom is hanging upside down give me a second. xD" |
| 02:52.59 | kd3 | I uh... |
| 02:53.06 | kd3 | kinkiness gone wrong? |
| 02:53.28 | Thunder_Child | doubtful |
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| 02:56.43 | Amarande | oh lord, can Blizzard do ANYTHING without people QQing? |
| 02:56.50 | kd3 | of course not |
| 02:56.54 | Iriel | Amarande: You should know the answer to that is 'no' |
| 02:57.09 | Amarande | everyone's QQing now "CATA WILL KILL THE GAME BECAUSE IT WILL KILL 25MAN GUILDS" |
| 02:57.47 | kd3 | just like it did for 40-mans |
| 02:57.53 | kd3 | rolls his eyes |
| 02:58.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: Those bitches can fuck off |
| 02:58.14 | Amarande | ehh, I wouldn't be too unhappy to see 25-man guilds vanish, anyway |
| 02:58.29 | Dagmar | They're just whining because they're pissed they'll no longer get extra rewards for going in a extra-big group. |
| 02:58.30 | Amarande | the smaller the raid group size, the smaller guilds need to be |
| 02:58.37 | Amarande | the smaller guilds need to be, the more guilds there are likely to be |
| 02:58.52 | Dagmar | Well, more importantly, the smaller the raid size, the better chance you can swap people out in a pinch |
| 02:58.53 | Amarande | the more guilds there are, the easier it is for people to find a raid group rather than end up QQing |
| 02:59.38 | Dagmar | By way of illustration, I shall say "dugout". |
| 03:02.41 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1260663893.jpg |
| 03:02.52 | Amarande | LOL |
| 03:02.58 | Amarande | claps at this one suggestion on the cata forum |
| 03:03.01 | Amarande | "Get rid of Gnomes" |
| 03:03.01 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:03.18 | Amarande | yes, please do. their tiny little circle strafing asses are a pain in the effing ass in PvP |
| 03:03.25 | Adys | the thought of having to do such a horrible job without cracking out makes me want to vomit |
| 03:03.54 | Adys | Good night Shadowed|away |
| 03:03.57 | Adys | good night Shirik, too |
| 03:04.03 | Shirik | nite |
| 03:04.03 | Amarande | ... glah, especially since pvp is going to be way too important in cata with tol barad |
| 03:04.19 | Amarande | (and I still want the professions preview) |
| 03:04.29 | Adys | Amarande: you know whom you should marry? |
| 03:04.31 | Adys | zeal |
| 03:04.36 | Iriel | But Cata brings about a whole ton of reasons to encourage LARGE guilds |
| 03:04.37 | Adys | he'd find his match. |
| 03:05.24 | Adys | gnite |
| 03:07.33 | Kraps | my parents and 2 of my brothers are talking in another room. i went over and said "hi guys whats going on in this thread". my bros were like "lol" and my parents :| |
| 03:08.04 | Amarande | Iriel: however, the fact that everything is now available to 10-manners means those guilds can, and indeed will probably need to focus on something other than job-application-style raid recruiting |
| 03:08.08 | Thunder_Child | ~Kraps++ |
| 03:13.30 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 03:13.36 | Shirik | did Fisker invade your brain? |
| 03:13.50 | Kraps | :( |
| 03:13.52 | Shirik | <3 |
| 03:15.50 | Amarande | So Gnomeregan the instance is going away? |
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| 03:17.06 | Amarande | also ... "As the Darkspear trolls prepare to invade the Echo Isles and reclaim the land" |
| 03:17.08 | Amarande | ummmmm. |
| 03:17.20 | Amarande | why does this sound a lot less epic than it ought to (and probably will) be? |
| 03:17.28 | Amarande | I can't help but think "a single level 30 could retake the Echo Isles" :| |
| 03:17.41 | Amarande | no, wait, a single level 20, or maybe even 15 ... |
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| 03:21.32 | Kraps | Amarande: That argument ever works |
| 03:21.54 | Kraps | for me at least |
| 03:24.49 | Hirsute | ... thought that the number of rewards is actually going to be increased for 25 man raids, they just won't be higher quality than 10-manners. |
| 03:24.55 | Hirsute | Yay for Gnomer going away. |
| 03:25.01 | Hirsute | I *hate* that instance. |
| 03:25.03 | Dagmar | Amarande: No, Gnomeregan is not going away. If it "went away" we'd have nowhere to put the gnomes and Ironforge would be back to square one. |
| 03:25.24 | Jerub | i need to do gnomer and stockades on my warrior |
| 03:25.33 | Dagmar | Let's get the gnomes OFF the couch, and THEN worry about getting rid of Gnomeregan. |
| 03:25.38 | Jerub | who has done all the other instances up to his level (59) legitimately without 80 help |
| 03:26.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: they say the gnomes are taking it back, however, which would suggest the old instance won't have room to exist |
| 03:26.57 | Dagmar | Hey so long as we get 'em out of Ironforge the gnomes can do whatever they want with the place. |
| 03:27.49 | Dagmar | Cata is looking GOOD for dwarves |
| 03:28.13 | Dagmar | No more Gnomes in the place, and worgen to take the place of "where's all this hair come from?" |
| 03:29.33 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1257807167.jpg |
| 03:29.48 | Kraps | i thing worgen will be epic btw |
| 03:30.32 | Kraps | think* |
| 03:30.38 | Dagmar | Frankly, I'd rather the horde take them, but then we'd have both goblins *and* gnomes on Alliance and that's too many dangerous little lunatics on one side. |
| 03:30.51 | Amarande | Heh, someone asked if /sniffbutt will be an emote for worgen |
| 03:30.59 | Dagmar | We'd have to seriously worry about being called "The Friendly Fire Faction" |
| 03:31.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: besides, Horde needs a little race, for PvP balance's sake |
| 03:31.49 | Kraps | wolves are fuckin awesome /thread |
| 03:32.01 | Amarande | right now, Alliance has a small but distinct advantage in BGs from the fact that they can easily click target the larger Horde races, while they themselves have two small whirligigging circle strafing races that by the time you manage to target them you're half dead |
| 03:32.58 | Hirsute | Shift-V? |
| 03:33.39 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 03:33.48 | Shirik | Thunder_Child / Iriel: Targetted ads are trying to sell me a $10k lens |
| 03:33.56 | Iriel | Again? |
| 03:34.05 | Shirik | no before it was $7k |
| 03:34.08 | Shirik | now it's http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/542293-REG/Canon_2746B002AA_EF_800mm_f_5_6L_IS.html |
| 03:35.07 | Amarande | my targeted ads are always taunting me that I don't have the money in my budget right now to buy the Nexus One they know I want |
| 03:35.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:35.58 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: that is nice, but there are no people around here i would want to peer into windows of, so it's useless atm |
| 03:36.05 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:36.10 | Arrowmaster | whats a targeted ad? never seen one of those |
| 03:36.28 | Amarande | T_C: no hot women on your block? |
| 03:37.09 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: not that i could unobtrusively peer into the window of |
| 03:37.40 | Iriel | I like this part "Weighing in at less than 10 lbs" ... "Weight: 9.9 lbs" |
| 03:37.45 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:37.51 | Shirik | they didn't lie |
| 03:37.52 | NightHawkTheSane | technically true :P |
| 03:38.06 | Kraps | 9.9 |
| 03:38.13 | Iriel | thank my IRC client for that |
| 03:38.20 | Shirik | Kraps, I don't think I'm going to make [[WP:100]] :( |
| 03:38.22 | Kraps | ive been looking for this emote! |
| 03:38.40 | Amarande | Iriel: we call that Aes Sedai Truth :) |
| 03:39.03 | Kraps | Shirik: sockpuppets |
| 03:39.06 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:39.10 | Thunder_Child | heh Amarande |
| 03:39.12 | Shirik | that's a great idea for an SPI clerk! |
| 03:39.18 | Amarande | what's [[WP:100]]? |
| 03:39.30 | Shirik | "Times 100 wikipedians supported something" |
| 03:39.59 | Iriel | idles to practice guitar.. back later |
| 03:40.37 | Amarande | Shirik: sockpuppets |
| 03:41.10 | Amarande | c'mon, are there really any major prominent Wikipedians who DON'T have a sockpuppet at least gathering dust somewhere? :) |
| 03:46.25 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (~Ryan@c-98-251-133-171.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 03:54.39 | Kraps | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1256004267.jpg |
| 03:56.18 | Shirik | I actually do have a sockpuppet Amarande |
| 03:56.22 | Shirik | but it's a declared one :) |
| 03:56.34 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shisock |
| 03:56.49 | batrick | SHIRIK |
| 03:57.03 | Thunder_Child | no batrick |
| 03:57.06 | Shirik | BATRICK |
| 03:57.09 | Shirik | did you figure it out? |
| 03:57.13 | batrick | no :( |
| 03:57.17 | Shirik | looooooool |
| 03:57.23 | Kraps | better than paramore http://www.pandora.com/music/artist/fireflight |
| 03:57.31 | batrick | ur not very nice shirikfase |
| 03:57.34 | Shirik | :P( |
| 03:57.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:57.45 | batrick | and hurry up and post that ... thing |
| 03:57.50 | batrick | that we worked on |
| 03:57.52 | batrick | jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze |
| 03:58.06 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:58.41 | batrick | suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup |
| 03:59.06 | batrick | time to get back to work |
| 03:59.12 | batrick | and for shirik to resume taunting 4chan |
| 03:59.16 | batrick | amirite? |
| 03:59.20 | Shirik | no I'm grading papers |
| 03:59.27 | batrick | more or less the same thing |
| 03:59.45 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 03:59.46 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:01.51 | Kraps | ~pong |
| 04:01.52 | purl | ~ping |
| 04:06.51 | tem | ~ping |
| 04:06.52 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:06.55 | tem | ~laziness |
| 04:06.56 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 04:06.58 | tem | ~impatience |
| 04:06.59 | purl | IMPATIENCE: The anger you feel when the computer is being lazy. This makes you write programs that don't just react to your needs, but actually anticipate them. Or at least that pretend to. Hence, the second great virtue of a programmer. |
| 04:07.02 | tem | ~hubris |
| 04:07.03 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 04:07.06 | tem | ~fear of complexity |
| 04:07.07 | purl | FEAR OF COMPLEXITY: That which causes you to implement as little as possible, as simplicity is easier to fix. As well, that which prevents feature creep due to the environmental damage it causes. Hence, the fourth great virtue of a programmer. |
| 04:07.17 | Thunder_Child | ~tem |
| 04:07.18 | purl | tem is probably I wonder what Tem is breaking now... |
| 04:07.36 | tem | tem is breaking his grade in cmps 440 |
| 04:07.41 | tem | by not writing this paper |
| 04:08.02 | Amarande | ~amarande |
| 04:08.07 | Amarande | aww |
| 04:08.23 | Kraps | ~kraps |
| 04:08.30 | Kraps | dang |
| 04:08.45 | tem | only the cool kids have purl definitions |
| 04:08.47 | Thunder_Child | ~Thunder_Child |
| 04:08.48 | purl | Thunder_Child is an asshole |
| 04:08.50 | tem | ~rowne |
| 04:08.51 | purl | i guess rowne is BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:08.59 | tem | haha |
| 04:09.06 | tem | ~saiyen |
| 04:09.13 | tem | ~emulate saiyen |
| 04:09.18 | Kraps | ~shirik |
| 04:09.19 | purl | well, shirik is "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik |
| 04:09.23 | tem | gah what was that guy's name |
| 04:09.56 | Kraps | extra-cool kids get |
| 04:10.02 | Kraps | ~failrik |
| 04:10.03 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 04:10.07 | tem | ~emulate saien |
| 04:10.08 | purl | I could have helped you, but I won't. |
| 04:10.10 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:10.12 | tem | hahahahaha |
| 04:10.19 | tem | ~emulate saien |
| 04:10.20 | purl | This is a stunningly stupid question to direct at me. |
| 04:10.20 | Shirik | ~emulate KRaps |
| 04:10.21 | Kraps | ~fisker |
| 04:10.22 | purl | rumour has it, fisker is the #wowace channel troll. worthless, or always one step ahead of the average troll |
| 04:10.37 | Shirik | ~emulate EDI |
| 04:10.41 | tem | I just remembered my favorite factoid of all time |
| 04:10.43 | tem | ~emulate saien |
| 04:10.44 | purl | This is a stunningly stupid question to direct at me. |
| 04:10.57 | tem | ~emulate saien |
| 04:10.58 | purl | Why do I care? Why are you posting here? |
| 04:11.07 | tem | these are all direct quotes of his |
| 04:11.14 | tem | ~emulate saien |
| 04:11.15 | purl | This is a stunningly stupid question to direct at me. |
| 04:11.18 | Kraps | ~Cairenn |
| 04:11.19 | purl | [cairenn] one of the administrators of WoWInterface, also EQI, EQ2I, LotROI and VGI |
| 04:11.28 | tem | ~emulate cairenn |
| 04:11.29 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 04:11.32 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 04:11.35 | Shirik | ~emulate EDI is <action> sets mode *!n_a@* *!*@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk |
| 04:11.36 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 04:11.45 | Kraps | ~emulate Shirik |
| 04:11.46 | purl | I'll whine about anything |
| 04:11.50 | Kraps | lol |
| 04:12.00 | tem | Kraps, that should be Amarande's emulate imo |
| 04:12.04 | tem | ~emulate tem |
| 04:12.05 | purl | Dammit, that's it. I'm breaking a new [something]! |
| 04:12.10 | tem | haha |
| 04:12.13 | tem | rowne made that |
| 04:12.14 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 04:12.26 | tem | I wonder what ever happened to him |
| 04:12.41 | Kraps | ~emulate Fisker |
| 04:12.42 | purl | from memory, emulate fisker is "<reply> OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM" |
| 04:12.49 | Kraps | wtf |
| 04:12.51 | tem | tekkub, as the resident weirdo, it's probably your job to find out what ever happened to rowne |
| 04:13.02 | Kraps | ~seen rowne |
| 04:13.05 | purl | rowne <n=stolenle@d86-32-24-69.cust.tele2.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 317d 11h 17m 9s ago, saying: 'i like writing useless addons, too :)'. |
| 04:13.20 | tem | 317 days? |
| 04:13.22 | tem | no way |
| 04:13.27 | tem | he's been gone like 3 years |
| 04:13.35 | NightHawkTheSane | apparently not! |
| 04:13.54 | NightHawkTheSane | or maybe he was back for like one day, and you were sick tht day |
| 04:14.02 | Shirik | ^ |
| 04:14.05 | tem | I didn't think he even made it out of ##ace when we moved to #wowace |
| 04:14.14 | Cairenn | or maybe purl has a default cut off time |
| 04:14.25 | Kraps | or maybe |
| 04:14.25 | Shirik | ~seen Slouken |
| 04:14.26 | purl | slouken <~hercules@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Pirate/slouken> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 50d 21h 23m 43s ago, saying: 'Take it easy. :)'. |
| 04:14.29 | Cairenn | anyone who has been gone longer than ... |
| 04:14.32 | Kraps | WHO WAS PHONE |
| 04:14.37 | Shirik | ~seen purl |
| 04:14.38 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (2d 15h 7m 11s) #botpark (2d 15h 7m 11s) #linuxfund (2d 15h 7m 11s) #waruidev (2d 15h 7m 11s) #how (2d 15h 7m 11s) #sc2mapster (2d 15h 7m 11s) #edev (2d 15h 7m 11s) #fossfund (2d 15h 7m 11s) #hosernet (2d 15h 7m 11s) #norganna (2d 15h 7m 11s) #ud (2d 15h 7m 11s) ##ducleague (2d 15h 7m 11s) ##kierra (2d 15h 7m 11s) #dub ... |
| 04:14.41 | Shirik | ow |
| 04:14.47 | Shirik | What's something purl won't have seen in a while |
| 04:14.51 | Shirik | ~seen infobot |
| 04:14.52 | purl | i haven't seen 'infobot', Shirik |
| 04:15.01 | tem | ~seen zootfizzle |
| 04:15.02 | purl | zootfizzle <n=Zootfizz@WoWUIDev/Blizz/Zooty-Zoot-Zoot> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 334d 23h 59m 57s ago, saying: 'Anyways, later folks!'. |
| 04:15.11 | NightHawkTheSane | 334.. |
| 04:15.18 | Kraps | its quite a bit later |
| 04:15.18 | Shirik | le :( |
| 04:15.32 | Shirik | ~seen Kimina |
| 04:15.33 | purl | kimina <n=skullsho@conspiracy/developer/Shirik> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 778d 6h 16m 8s ago, saying: '<3'. |
| 04:15.36 | Shirik | wow |
| 04:15.46 | Cairenn | huh, guess that blows my theory out of the water |
| 04:15.52 | tem | haha wowi-lounge |
| 04:15.53 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 04:15.56 | tem | awesome |
| 04:16.15 | tem | also, slouken in the gsoc channel intrigues me |
| 04:16.25 | tem | I'm almost offended he didn't drop by and say hi |
| 04:16.45 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:16.47 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe he was, and you were sick that day? :P |
| 04:17.48 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:18.30 | tem | I have been sick for exactly 3 days in the last 2 years. I am absolutely certain that they did not line up with the last time he was seen on irc |
| 04:20.25 | Shirik | how do you know?!~ |
| 04:20.29 | Amarande | tem: but they did line up with the raid nights when everything that would've been BiS upgrades at the time for your main dropped? :) |
| 04:21.09 | tem | I don't remember what we raided that week, but I can guarantee you that I didn't miss it |
| 04:21.18 | tem | OH |
| 04:21.23 | tem | we were working on our first LK kill |
| 04:21.26 | tem | in fact |
| 04:21.37 | tem | I think we killed him |
| 04:21.46 | tem | with me at 102.6 fever |
| 04:22.02 | tem | that's the kind of dedication it takes to be the MT |
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| 04:24.20 | tem | so, how long have the dinosaurs been proto drakes? |
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| 04:28.07 | kd3 | ...? |
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| 04:48.04 | Shirik | echos kd3's silence. |
| 04:51.20 | Amarande | haha ... http://thereifixedit.com/2010/04/12/epic-kludge-photolets-just-turn-around/ |
| 05:01.00 | Shirik | batrick |
| 05:01.18 | Shirik | Q4: What is clipping and how does it occur? A: Clipping is what you do to your fingernails and toes. It occurs when your nails are too long. |
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| 05:11.00 | Dagmar | Nevere! |
| 05:11.09 | Dagmar | They're only too long when they break off on stuff |
| 05:11.23 | Iriel | or impede the putting on of clothes |
| 05:11.30 | Iriel | (Unless you dont wear clothes) |
| 05:11.47 | Dagmar | Even better |
| 05:12.26 | Arrowmaster | but then when you do clip them, they impede on your ability to open stuff |
| 05:13.25 | Dagmar | ...or use your phone. |
| 05:13.32 | NightHawkTheSane | they make knives for that, Arrowmaster |
| 05:13.55 | Dagmar | I cut my thumbnails about a month ago and couldn't use that phoneboard properly for days, and I had to keep pulling out the stylus. |
| 05:14.31 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Just because our talons are theoretically vestigial doesn't mean we shoudln't treasure their usefulness. |
| 05:23.50 | NightHawkTheSane | they dont need to be uncut, or absurdly short for most tasks. :P |
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| 05:44.41 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/23767164644/first-zone-too-level-in-cataclysm/ |
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| 06:03.43 | batrick | man pidgin is such an insecure mess |
| 06:05.00 | batrick | Shirik: write a note: "if your grade were a fingernail, it would be too long" |
| 06:17.03 | Amarande | Bah |
| 06:17.22 | Amarande | :( at lack of sigil goodness on a DW froster before 74/80 :| |
| 06:17.47 | WobWork | HF pvp? |
| 06:18.30 | Amarande | Grizzly, actually, and I'm not even sure that one is all that great |
| 06:18.43 | Amarande | it looks like unless you leveled blood, you don't get any love from sigils until you have 25 badges :| |
| 06:18.55 | WobWork | oh that's 74 |
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| 06:19.50 | WobWork | Sigil of Awareness? |
| 06:19.54 | WobWork | You can get that from Naxx |
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| 06:21.06 | Amarande | I pity the poor DKs that are going to be starting after Cata |
| 06:21.25 | zenzio | how come? |
| 06:21.43 | Amarande | zenzio: probably going to be stuck with the crappy starter sigil for five MORE levels vs. the rest of us |
| 06:22.07 | zenzio | oh, I see. I've never played a sigil/relic/idol class (past level 20) |
| 06:22.35 | DWSR | Amarande: Probably not. |
| 06:22.42 | Thunder_Child | i assume thats not going to be a problem |
| 06:22.47 | DWSR | btw. |
| 06:22.52 | DWSR | WTF @ the 264 tanking sigil. |
| 06:23.07 | Thunder_Child | a. who cares what gear you have when you are leveling. b. there will prolly be a ton of BoA leveling gear |
| 06:23.23 | DWSR | Also, your sigil means shit all. |
| 06:23.34 | Amarande | Actually, relic classes in general seem to get the short end of it when it comes to filling that slot |
| 06:23.54 | olafski | amarande: you can do random daily dungeons to get emblems of triumph :) |
| 06:23.55 | Amarande | Basically all of them seem to have few or no decent ones that aren't from endgame instances/raiding |
| 06:24.06 | Amarande | olafski: yeah, I can do that if I hit 80 soon enough on this DK |
| 06:24.13 | WobWork | nah |
| 06:24.16 | Amarande | I have to wonder of the fate of those who start one after Cata though |
| 06:24.19 | WobWork | the normal daily gives badges |
| 06:24.28 | olafski | no before 80 I mean |
| 06:24.36 | WobWork | I had enough at 80 to get 2 T9 on ding |
| 06:24.45 | olafski | people play sub-80 dungeons a lot while leveling |
| 06:24.56 | Amarande | T_C: on the other hand, the moment you hit max level, everyone expects you to have OMG gear the moment you ding heh |
| 06:24.58 | WobWork | because I levelled as a healer in pugs |
| 06:25.11 | Amarande | A blogger I read regularly lamented this |
| 06:25.13 | WobWork | pft, I had a just ding'd 80 tank in heroic HoL last night |
| 06:25.18 | WobWork | he had 24k hp buffed |
| 06:25.22 | Amarande | she was doing *awesome* as a tank in the late 70s |
| 06:25.26 | olafski | neat wobwork ;) |
| 06:25.41 | WobWork | I have never spammed flash heal so fast as in that run =) |
| 06:25.44 | olafski | I'm a recently dinged 80 tank and people sometimes just leave the group when they see my hp |
| 06:25.47 | Amarande | and knew that the moment she dung 80 ... that status would *poof* evaporate right away, and she'd be a "oh, just dinged failtank" |
| 06:25.48 | WobWork | I almost Pain supressed him on Loken |
| 06:26.20 | olafski | nothing wrong with that :P |
| 06:26.47 | Amarande | hell these days it almost seems like to many folks either you're ready for ICC or you're a noob heh |
| 06:26.47 | WobWork | hehe |
| 06:26.53 | WobWork | it's true =( |
| 06:26.55 | olafski | yep |
| 06:27.05 | WobWork | you get called a scrub unless you're in ICC 25 gear |
| 06:27.12 | WobWork | in standard non ICC heroics |
| 06:27.13 | olafski | yesterday did oculus on my new-80 and some ilvl 264 DK joined and said "omg noobs" |
| 06:27.13 | Amarande | or is that more of an ICC specific thing, due to the iconicity of the Lich King in the Warcraft universe? |
| 06:27.14 | DWSR | You /are/ a scrub unless you're in ICC25 gear. |
| 06:27.14 | WobWork | >< |
| 06:27.17 | olafski | then proceeded to do less damage than me |
| 06:27.39 | Amarande | I don't remember things being *nearly* so competitive even in BC |
| 06:27.41 | WobWork | olafski: well, damage is not the same, in Occulus |
| 06:27.44 | Amarande | It wasn't "BT or bust" then |
| 06:27.53 | Jerub | my wife had T8 emblem gear and gets people telling her she's too undergeared |
| 06:27.54 | Amarande | and Sunwell was seen by the relatively few, the proud, the ... oops |
| 06:27.55 | olafski | wobwork: I reset after the dragon parts :) |
| 06:28.03 | WobWork | It's actually due to the badge system |
| 06:28.11 | WobWork | more people have access to higher level gear |
| 06:28.20 | WobWork | so you get more morons with decent gear |
| 06:28.30 | Amarande | heh, the badge system isn't that useful now is it? |
| 06:28.37 | WobWork | ie, anyone who demands GS on a heroic |
| 06:28.44 | Amarande | Triumph, unless you go to ToC raids to get the trophies, gets you what ... 232? |
| 06:28.46 | WobWork | Oh I find it -useful- |
| 06:28.56 | DWSR | Amarande: No. |
| 06:28.57 | WobWork | 245 |
| 06:29.00 | DWSR | Amarande: You can get 245. |
| 06:29.00 | WobWork | frost gear |
| 06:29.06 | DWSR | Also, yes, Frost gear. |
| 06:29.11 | DWSR | Also, VoA. |
| 06:29.13 | WobWork | the rings are 245, btw |
| 06:29.17 | WobWork | (for triumph) |
| 06:29.23 | Amarande | Yeah, but it takes a while to get frost gear, since unless you're *already* geared, you're not going to be seeing more than what, 16 frost badges a week? |
| 06:29.27 | DWSR | WobWork: So is the head, shoulders, and the other pieces. |
| 06:29.30 | Amarande | or is it 18 |
| 06:29.35 | DWSR | Amarande: 7 x 2 + 5. |
| 06:29.37 | WobWork | (knees and toes, knees and toes!) |
| 06:29.39 | DWSR | 19 |
| 06:29.42 | Amarande | A couple from each VoA, and 14 from the daily random heroics |
| 06:29.48 | DWSR | + 4 from VoA |
| 06:29.53 | DWSR | 23 |
| 06:29.55 | Jerub | Amarande: 23 if you do 7 heroics, 2xvoa and 1x weekly raid. |
| 06:29.58 | WobWork | you can do VoA daily |
| 06:30.04 | Amarande | Other than that, you're pretty much stuck with 232, unless you go to TOC25 or TOGC to get trophies. |
| 06:30.06 | DWSR | o.o WobWork? |
| 06:30.30 | Amarande | Probably people now expecting you to farm up the gold and shell out for the BoE 245 and 264 stuff to get into raids now |
| 06:30.38 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:30.48 | WobWork | sorry, that was a question |
| 06:30.48 | Jerub | WobWork: EXPOUND ON THAT STATEMENT |
| 06:31.03 | Amarande | Never seems to change, heh. In BC, apparently I was expected to afford Spellstrike if I wanted to get into even heroics by that point |
| 06:31.10 | DWSR | Amarande: You're complaining about gear. |
| 06:31.10 | WobWork | 'can you do VoA daily?' |
| 06:31.17 | Jerub | WobWork: no. weekly raid |
| 06:31.18 | DWSR | When it is easier than ever. |
| 06:31.37 | WobWork | aha |
| 06:31.39 | WobWork | of course |
| 06:31.57 | DWSR | You can achieve over 5k GS with badge/heroic gear. |
| 06:32.01 | DWSR | I've been there, I've done it., |
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| 06:32.05 | WobWork | only with frost |
| 06:32.06 | DWSR | It's not hard. It takes a week. |
| 06:32.09 | WobWork | (I suspect) |
| 06:32.10 | Jerub | i'm looking forward to getting my tank to 80 |
| 06:32.19 | DWSR | WobWork: I had 1 251 tier piece from VoA and the 264 stam trink. |
| 06:32.21 | WobWork | although I need to farm ICC5 for some replacements |
| 06:32.47 | DWSR | Jerub: Takes you 3 days to hit ICC25 ready. 3 days max. |
| 06:33.15 | WobWork | armorylite.com/us/Nagrand/rikitikitavi |
| 06:33.20 | Jerub | DWSR: that's if i farm for 72 hours |
| 06:33.23 | WobWork | I'm at 4.6 GS |
| 06:33.24 | Jerub | which i won't do. |
| 06:33.26 | DWSR | Hardly. |
| 06:33.32 | DWSR | That's running like 5 hours of heroics/. |
| 06:33.34 | DWSR | Per day. |
| 06:33.39 | Jerub | also, i'm prot, which means no one will /want/ me there until i get the massive stam trinkets |
| 06:33.45 | DWSR | Jerub: I was Frost DW. |
| 06:33.48 | DWSR | No one wanted me anyway. |
| 06:33.51 | Jerub | which means farming toc25 a little. |
| 06:33.53 | DWSR | Then they saw how good Frost DW is. |
| 06:34.01 | DWSR | And how awesome I rocked the shit up. |
| 06:34.30 | DWSR | If you pull intelligently, know your limits, and poop CDs early/often, you can easily chain pull heroics at just def-capped 80. |
| 06:34.41 | DWSR | poop CDs, fucking typo xD |
| 06:34.49 | WobWork | hehe |
| 06:35.54 | DWSR | ANYWAY |
| 06:36.00 | Jerub | lol defcap |
| 06:36.08 | DWSR | My point is: You are a scrub if you do not have a 5k gear score and ask to be let into a raid. |
| 06:36.09 | Jerub | my bear doesn't care about defcap, i should probably care about it |
| 06:36.17 | DWSR | A non-VoA raid. |
| 06:37.12 | DWSR | Jerub: You're leveling a bear? |
| 06:37.37 | Jerub | no, i'm levelling a warrior |
| 06:37.44 | Jerub | my bear is my current icc geared tank |
| 06:37.48 | olafski | good choice |
| 06:37.52 | DWSR | ah, yeah. |
| 06:37.58 | olafski | warriors are the shiznizz |
| 06:38.08 | DWSR | I like DK tanking |
| 06:38.23 | DWSR | Mostly because I have 2 tank specs and I feel like a transformer tank. |
| 06:38.34 | DWSR | I have the transformer sound macroed into my vent now. |
| 06:38.37 | DWSR | When I respec, I play it |
| 06:38.40 | olafski | holy jeebus I have a queue time :( |
| 06:38.49 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 06:38.55 | DWSR | I'm leveling a healer in LFD, queue times blow. |
| 06:38.57 | DWSR | Never had them as a tank |
| 06:39.10 | olafski | I'm a tank :P |
| 06:39.20 | olafski | most horrible 15 seconds of my life just now |
| 06:39.26 | DWSR | rofl |
| 06:39.31 | olafski | waiting to get into a dungeon is an entirely new concept |
| 06:39.44 | DWSR | If I'm waiting to get into a queue, it's usually because I queued as a DPS only. |
| 06:41.35 | Jerub | i see queue times while levelling late at night |
| 06:42.11 | WobWork | hehe |
| 06:42.18 | DWSR | Yeah, me too. |
| 06:42.33 | WobWork | there have been times, while queuing as a tank/healer/dps that I've actually gotten in as DPS! |
| 06:42.42 | WobWork | I was certainly surprised |
| 06:43.07 | WobWork | (that's tank/dps or healer/dps, btw) |
| 06:43.53 | DWSR | yeah. :P |
| 06:44.06 | DWSR | I've had that happen all of twice. |
| 06:44.10 | olafski | hm heroics reset at 9am? :s |
| 06:44.14 | DWSR | Both times I ended up tanking anyway. |
| 06:44.17 | DWSR | olafski: 8am ST |
| 06:44.30 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@193.170.222.163) |
| 06:45.47 | Amarande | "Gearscore could mean you take a Restoration Shaman with Attack Power rings and a DPS axe." -- Unreal Realities |
| 06:45.51 | Amarande | And yet people still trust the thing. :) |
| 06:46.06 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:46.09 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@193.170.222.163) |
| 06:46.10 | WobWork | Spellpower DK kgo |
| 06:46.14 | Amarande | Oh, yeah. And according to the wiki it rates Spell Penetration higher than AP, as a general scoring mechanic. |
| 06:46.16 | DWSR | Had a friend get all 251/264 healer plate on his DK |
| 06:46.20 | DWSR | And he'd get into raids. |
| 06:46.39 | Amarande | Who gears for AP? Every meleer and hunter. Who gears for Spell Penetration? Basically nobody but PvP people. |
| 06:47.06 | Amarande | Let's put it this way ... during BC, at one point I cut a Spell Pen gem as part of my grinding of JC |
| 06:47.12 | *** join/#wowuidev mitch0 (~mitch@drvolomdental.hu) |
| 06:47.15 | Amarande | I put it on the AH basically every day ... and it never sold :P |
| 06:47.35 | Amarande | we're talking a blue quality one, back when epic gems weren't especially accessible |
| 06:47.36 | Jerub | i use elitist group. |
| 06:47.37 | DWSR | Spell pen's very useful as a DK |
| 06:47.41 | DWSR | Jerub: Me too |
| 06:47.58 | Jerub | and i ask intellicate questions like, "are you planning to put your PvE gear on anytime during this raid mr raid leader" |
| 06:48.03 | WobWork | the item level scoring in EG confuse me |
| 06:48.07 | DWSR | WobWork: How? |
| 06:48.08 | DWSR | It's easy. |
| 06:48.10 | DWSR | It's an average. |
| 06:48.17 | Jerub | or, "how about we don't listen to complaints about raid positioning from the guy with no enchants or gems" |
| 06:48.22 | WobWork | like trinkets that are ilvl 200 |
| 06:48.25 | Jerub | DWSR: not it's not. |
| 06:48.27 | WobWork | are marked as ilvl 180 |
| 06:48.33 | DWSR | WobWork: Yes. |
| 06:48.41 | Jerub | DWSR: it adjusts the ilvl based on quality too, instead of just straight ilvl |
| 06:48.42 | DWSR | Anything not epic receives a reduction in effective ilvl |
| 06:48.47 | WobWork | ah |
| 06:48.56 | WobWork | well that makes sense |
| 06:49.18 | DWSR | Jerub: And yes, it's just an average, adjusted for item quality. |
| 06:52.38 | Arrowmaster | difference between epic and superior is 20 ilvl? hmm i thought it was closer to 15 from the item stat point formulas |
| 06:53.01 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: There's also a stupid tax. |
| 06:53.16 | WobWork | thank god for the stupid tax |
| 06:53.30 | Jerub | yaytax |
| 06:53.39 | WobWork | although I often see it marking tanking items as being bad |
| 06:53.42 | WobWork | (on tanks) |
| 06:53.54 | Jerub | WobWork: i've seen that too |
| 06:53.54 | DWSR | WobWork: Anything miscategorized you should report to Shadowed. |
| 06:53.57 | zenzio | http://verydemotivational.com/2010/04/28/demotivational-posters-your-man-card-2/ |
| 06:54.06 | Jerub | or, having a glove +hp enchant on my level 15 shamman being marked as a 'bad' enchant. |
| 06:54.09 | Jerub | er bracer. |
| 06:54.17 | DWSR | Jerub: It is. |
| 06:54.18 | Shadowed | WobWork: Odds are, if it marks a tank item as being bad, it's because the tank is a DK and too stupid to pickup tank talents |
| 06:54.23 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: i would drive it |
| 06:54.27 | Jerub | DWSR: it's better than no enchant at all! |
| 06:54.34 | Jerub | (i'm levelling my enchanting) |
| 06:54.36 | WobWork | Shadowed: ah, more a misidentification of role |
| 06:54.37 | DWSR | Yes, it is. |
| 06:54.44 | DWSR | But it's still a bad enchant. |
| 06:54.47 | Jerub | (slowly) |
| 06:55.03 | Jerub | Shadowed: yes, i had one of those. he wanted to full clear uld |
| 06:55.04 | Jerub | :/ |
| 06:55.06 | Shadowed | Not misidentification :p |
| 06:55.12 | DWSR | ^ |
| 06:55.18 | WobWork | if they're the pug tank, they're generally tanking =P |
| 06:55.19 | DWSR | What talents do you look for, btw? |
| 06:55.20 | Shadowed | If a DK isn't labeled as a tank, it's cause he didn't pickup the 3 tanking talents which every spec should get, period |
| 06:55.26 | DWSR | 5/5/5? |
| 06:55.29 | Shadowed | yes |
| 06:55.42 | Shadowed | A mage can also tank, doesn't mean I'm going to flag mages as being allowed to tank :p |
| 06:55.43 | DWSR | Blade Barrier, Toughness, and Anticipation, iirc. |
| 06:56.03 | DWSR | Shadowed: Oh, btw. |
| 06:56.10 | DWSR | How are you handling DW tanking for DKs? |
| 06:56.17 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: do you flag warlocks as tank? i used to be the tank warlock |
| 06:56.18 | Shadowed | dunno |
| 06:56.29 | Shadowed | Is there special handling needed for DW DKs? |
| 06:56.32 | Shadowed | I hate you Arrowmaster :p |
| 06:56.40 | DWSR | Shadowed: We use DPS 1hers. |
| 06:56.50 | Shadowed | Half the DK weapons are DPS that they tank with |
| 06:56.54 | Shadowed | they don't get penalized for DPS weapons |
| 06:57.20 | DWSR | Yeah, but what about looking for dumb shit like DW blood tanks? |
| 06:57.27 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: you shouldnt, i practically forced to tank every warlock tank encounter in TBC |
| 06:57.28 | Shadowed | Not really my concern |
| 06:57.55 | DWSR | Shadowed: Meh, I'm just asking. You could easily check for the presence of 1hers and ToT+NoCS |
| 06:58.15 | Shadowed | I don't care about people doing stupid things with their spec, too much maintenance. The only reason I even check talents for Ferals/DKs is cause they have no dedicated tanking tree |
| 06:58.30 | DWSR | Changing with Cata QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 06:58.46 | Shadowed | Only for DKs, ferals will still have a hybrid tree |
| 06:58.54 | DWSR | yeah, but still. |
| 06:58.57 | DWSR | I WANT MA 2H FROST\ |
| 06:59.02 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster: The ilvl modifiers weren't about accuracy as much as making sure a person in full 200 blues isn't listed the same as someone in 200 epics |
| 06:59.03 | DWSR | err. |
| 06:59.05 | DWSR | DW Frost* |
| 06:59.16 | DWSR | Shadowed: Stupid tax sounds way better, btw. |
| 06:59.32 | Shadowed | WobWork: See http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info15573-ElitistGroup.html "Item level" for the modifiers on quality |
| 06:59.52 | jnwhiteh | geocitiesizer is fun. |
| 06:59.52 | jnwhiteh | http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=2&music=1&url=wowprogramming.com |
| 07:00.05 | Shadowed | haha |
| 07:00.14 | DWSR | rofl |
| 07:00.28 | Jerub | i need something that just spams /party when a DPS feral is detected who doesn't use shred+ has shredding attacks talented. |
| 07:00.34 | jnwhiteh | it didn't change my wordpress blog very much |
| 07:00.35 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 07:00.51 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 07:00.54 | DWSR | I tanked Marrowgar in Unholy presence today in 25m ICC |
| 07:01.08 | DWSR | Proof this game is ezmode. |
| 07:01.54 | Fisker | i tanked hogger in my retribution spec and gear |
| 07:03.33 | Amarande | heh, people are wondering why with the recent patches more gold farming has cropped up |
| 07:03.42 | DWSR | lolwut? |
| 07:03.52 | Jerub | Amarande: huh |
| 07:04.20 | Amarande | the trouble with this is, it's easy to see people are farming |
| 07:04.26 | Amarande | it's nearly impossible to tell *why* they are farming |
| 07:04.44 | Amarande | god knows there's probably plenty trying to afford those 264 BoE's that go for anywhere from 3,000 up to 11,000 or more on AH |
| 07:04.57 | DWSR | lol 3k? |
| 07:05.06 | DWSR | Lowest I've seen is like k6 |
| 07:05.07 | DWSR | 6k* |
| 07:05.13 | Amarande | unless they're spamming for susan express, you can't tell what they're trying to do with the gold heh |
| 07:05.36 | zenzio | susan express? |
| 07:05.41 | DWSR | gold farming site. |
| 07:05.56 | DWSR | I saw an ad for 1k gold for $2. |
| 07:06.15 | DWSR | That even tempts me. |
| 07:06.26 | DWSR | I would pay $10 for epic flying. |
| 07:07.09 | zenzio | "AOL Sells Instant Messaging Service ICQ To DST For $187.5 Million |
| 07:07.09 | zenzio | Read more: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/28/aol-sells-instant-messaging-service-icq-to-dst-for-187-5-million" |
| 07:07.20 | zenzio | eh, weird copy+paste o_O |
| 07:07.48 | WobWork | I've seen that on a few blogs |
| 07:07.57 | WobWork | it javascript magics the link |
| 07:08.01 | WobWork | it's pretty cool |
| 07:08.12 | zenzio | pretty fucked if you ask me |
| 07:08.21 | WobWork | I know Matticus' blog does that |
| 07:08.24 | zenzio | I remember the old Windows help file viewer could do a similar thing |
| 07:08.30 | WobWork | well, -conceptually- it's cool |
| 07:08.42 | Amarande | meanwhile, on the cata front |
| 07:09.01 | Amarande | there seems to be some concern that the shared raid ID is going to cause issues for guilds other than the "QQ oh no now everyone will just do 10 bye bye 25" QQ |
| 07:09.26 | Jerub | DWSR: i have no doubt that a lot of those gold farming things are actually an account theft front and don't deliver the gold. |
| 07:09.29 | Amarande | in particular, apparently: it's been a pretty common thing for raid guilds that people show up for the first night, but a number of folks don't show for later in the week completion nights |
| 07:09.49 | Amarande | currently, that's fine, well, as fine as no-shows can be |
| 07:09.50 | DWSR | My guild has that problem. |
| 07:09.56 | Amarande | you stop whining and go do the 10 |
| 07:09.59 | Jerub | Amarande: uh, if that's a problem complete it on 10 |
| 07:10.05 | Amarande | Jerub: see, there's the issue |
| 07:10.07 | Jerub | Amarande: same loot, less people. |
| 07:10.10 | Amarande | if only ten or so people show up, that's fine |
| 07:10.17 | Amarande | but what happens when you have 20 people show up for the 25? |
| 07:10.18 | Amarande | either you |
| 07:10.34 | Amarande | a) bring in five backups. FU five backups, you don't get any chance at the loot for some of the bosses this week because they're down and now you're saved |
| 07:10.39 | zenzio | yup, I still think this whole raid change is a big mistake |
| 07:10.45 | Amarande | b) and here's where the cata thing is going to be the problem, Jerub |
| 07:10.49 | Jerub | well, the raids being smaller should help |
| 07:10.52 | Amarande | in WotLK, going and doing the 10 is separate |
| 07:10.54 | Jerub | they're talking about 5-6 boss raids. |
| 07:10.57 | Amarande | in Cata, it will be the same ID |
| 07:11.04 | Amarande | so your guild only had 20 people show up the second night. |
| 07:11.05 | DWSR | Fucking stupid. :) |
| 07:11.08 | Jerub | yeah, i know, i read it. |
| 07:11.14 | DWSR | Amarande: what happens to the other 10 people? |
| 07:11.20 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, they're fucked. |
| 07:11.23 | Jerub | it'd be nice if you could just chop and change what raid you're saved to. |
| 07:11.24 | DWSR | Like I said. |
| 07:11.25 | DWSR | Fucking stupid. :) |
| 07:11.28 | Jerub | but i doubt they'll rejig it like that |
| 07:11.29 | Amarande | they get no chance at the loot that week |
| 07:11.36 | DWSR | I don't. |
| 07:11.47 | Amarande | now THAT, and not the 10-man giving the same loot, is what will kill 25-man guilds |
| 07:11.48 | Jerub | in my experience, raids just didn't continue |
| 07:11.49 | DWSR | 10 and 25 dropping the same quality of loot is fucking stupid as well. |
| 07:11.54 | zenzio | I'm very interested to see how Blizzard will respond to the feedback on this change in the long run |
| 07:11.54 | Jerub | or, they continued with a full 25 man crew. |
| 07:12.00 | Amarande | it's not the fact that 25 doesn't give you any better loot that will kill 25's guilds |
| 07:12.19 | Jerub | i'm in a guild that has trouble fielding a 10 man team. i love this :) |
| 07:12.21 | Jerub | ;) |
| 07:12.21 | Amarande | it's the massive internal hemorrhaging of members due to the inevitable and severe drama breakouts that will happen more weeks than not |
| 07:12.34 | olafski | didn't they say they might consider letting you switch between 10 and 25 in the same ID? |
| 07:12.41 | Amarande | olafski: yeah, that's the idea |
| 07:12.43 | zenzio | Jerub: and you assume this change will make it easier for you? |
| 07:12.51 | Amarande | olafski: but say Tuesday night you bring 25. |
| 07:12.55 | Amarande | you don't finish. |
| 07:12.55 | Jerub | zenzio: easier to just raid with my guild |
| 07:12.58 | Amarande | Wednesday night only 20 show up. |
| 07:13.02 | Amarande | so you switch to 10. |
| 07:13.08 | Jerub | at the moment all my guildmates who raid seriously do 25mans with pugs/other guilds. |
| 07:13.15 | Amarande | any bosses you kill Wednesday ... well ... that's 10 people who SHOWED UP and are fucked over |
| 07:13.19 | Jerub | this will mean we can just do 10mans within the guild and not worry about 25s. |
| 07:13.25 | Amarande | they can't do a separate 10, because they're still saved to THAT RAID ID |
| 07:13.31 | DWSR | ^ |
| 07:13.34 | DWSR | Bad. |
| 07:13.42 | olafski | ah true I guess amarande :) |
| 07:13.47 | Amarande | you switch back to 25 on Thursday night ... those bosses are STILL down in that raid ID, the 10 people are NOT getting a second chance then either |
| 07:14.20 | Amarande | and depending on how you chose the 10 you took Wednesday, they may feel very much justified in gquitting, especially if this situation happens a lot |
| 07:14.25 | Amarande | (which I'm sure it will for many guilds) |
| 07:14.40 | Amarande | Congratulations, your 25's guild just became a 10's guild |
| 07:14.41 | Jerub | Amarande: any guild who can't farm a 5 boss instance deserves all the QQ they get. |
| 07:14.50 | Amarande | Why bother with the headache? Just be a 10's from the beginning |
| 07:15.05 | Amarande | especially since a lot of people feel 10's has more intimate camaraderie than 25's or the 40's of old ever could |
| 07:15.17 | olafski | I liked 40s back in the day |
| 07:15.24 | Jerub | i mean, who the hell would bother continue a toc25? |
| 07:15.24 | DWSR | Amarande: 40s > 10s or 25s. |
| 07:15.24 | olafski | 10 feels much better than 25 now though :) |
| 07:15.28 | Amarande | since it's actually fairly feasible to get together, eventually, ten friends |
| 07:15.28 | Jerub | you either finish it, or you don't. |
| 07:15.39 | zenzio | Jerub: you're assuming the bosses will still be easy. If they wanted, they could pull another pre-nerf Sunwell |
| 07:15.40 | Amarande | even if it's not ten friends now, that small a group can become basically a nakama |
| 07:16.00 | Amarande | twenty-five or forty with that level of intimacy? nope, you're always going to have strangers, because you need them to fill in your team |
| 07:16.15 | Jerub | zenzio: okay, then it's a wipefest and you're spending hundreds of gold on learning bosses. i get benched and save money. yay. |
| 07:16.28 | Amarande | thus, 10's can be a guild of close friends beyond the mere raid job description ... 25's+ are inevitably more a workplace mentality |
| 07:16.39 | zenzio | Jerub: I see, so you're just in it for the free lewts |
| 07:16.53 | Amarande | and you know what? us adults like you and I ... we actually HAVE JOBS |
| 07:17.12 | zenzio | I'm not sure what that meant o_O |
| 07:17.12 | ccox | you assume that most of these people are adults? |
| 07:17.24 | ccox | you must be new to IRC |
| 07:17.38 | Jerub | ccox: that was Amarande. he whines and QQs. |
| 07:18.11 | olafski | was that a ragequit or an accidental closing of irc? :P |
| 07:18.17 | zenzio | I'm wondering too |
| 07:18.34 | Jerub | he does it periodically. at least he QQ'd early this time. he spend 3 weeks whining about the BiS bow being a pvp item (pre 3.3.0) |
| 07:18.35 | WobWork | hehe |
| 07:18.45 | olafski | ;p |
| 07:18.54 | olafski | this was quite valid qq I'd say |
| 07:18.56 | Jerub | also: offhand caster items. |
| 07:19.07 | olafski | I don't really care about raiding so I just like to see the drama |
| 07:19.08 | DWSR | olafski: The whole raid IDs being the same between sizes. |
| 07:19.09 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 07:19.09 | olafski | but it does have a point |
| 07:19.13 | DWSR | It's valid, and he has a point |
| 07:19.34 | olafski | man I want to see iron man 2 |
| 07:19.39 | WobWork | hm |
| 07:19.41 | Jerub | i think the expected dramas over 25man continuations is mostly imagined. with 5-6 boss raids i don't see it being a problem. |
| 07:19.48 | zenzio | I know it's unrealistic, but I keep hoping Blizzard will change their mind about this raid change. I was so excited about Cataclysm, now I feel I'm likely to just do the new quests and quit |
| 07:19.53 | DWSR | Jerub: I do for the first little while until everything is on farm |
| 07:20.03 | WobWork | does that mean if you start a raid in 10, you can come back with 15 more and do 25? |
| 07:20.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@68-191-37-155.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 07:20.13 | Amarande | Fuck you, Windows, btw |
| 07:20.16 | Jerub | DWSR: yeah, fair enough. first couple of weeks will be rough with everyone learning the fights and stuff |
| 07:20.30 | DWSR | Amarande: Fall for Alt+F4? |
| 07:20.30 | olafski | amarande: even without a job I felt like raiding was too much of a job so I stopped doing it :P |
| 07:20.39 | Amarande | DWSR: Fail for Windows Update rebooting the machine mid-conversation |
| 07:20.42 | Amarande | anyway, what was I gonna say |
| 07:20.45 | Amarande | most of us adults *have jobs* |
| 07:20.51 | Jerub | DWSR: but it's also going to double the amount of content i see in a week. i actually don't like getting out of 10voa and immediately needing to do 25voa.. i just killed that shithead, can he stay dead? |
| 07:20.55 | Amarande | therefore, why would we want our guild to give off the environmental aura of an office? |
| 07:21.07 | Amarande | we play WoW to have fun and enjoy the camaraderie of the friends we have on the server |
| 07:21.08 | DWSR | Jerub: Then obviuosly you have a problem with instancing? |
| 07:21.12 | Jerub | so if blizz has enough content on offer to engage my raiding for a full week, without duplicate lockouts for 10/25, *awesome* |
| 07:21.18 | Amarande | therefore, ideally, a guild should be a nakama |
| 07:21.29 | Amarande | which you, however, can really only do successfully with 10's |
| 07:21.30 | DWSR | Amarande: You don't raid, but you're QQing about gear and raiding. |
| 07:21.37 | DWSR | Amarande: WHAT YOU SAY MEANS NOTHING. |
| 07:21.39 | DWSR | EOF. |
| 07:21.39 | Jerub | because then i'm over the course of a week of playing on that toon, seeing twice the amount of raid content i would otherwise. |
| 07:21.41 | zenzio | Amarande: so what is a "nakama"? |
| 07:21.46 | Corrodias | friends. |
| 07:23.02 | DWSR | Jerub: I didn't have a problem with seeing twice as much Ulduar, or seeing twice as much Icecrown |
| 07:23.06 | Amarande | also, remind me to REALLY strangle Microsoft now |
| 07:23.14 | Amarande | "This update is necessary to allow Office 2010 to install yadda yadda" |
| 07:23.21 | Amarande | IT REBOOTED MY PC SIMPLY TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SELL ME OFFICE 2010 |
| 07:23.23 | Amarande | errr . |
| 07:23.27 | Amarande | <--- diehard OOo user |
| 07:23.31 | Amarande | F U, Microsoft |
| 07:23.57 | olafski | I don't play wow to enjoy the camaraderie of the friends I have on the server btw |
| 07:23.58 | zenzio | well, do you have your Windows configured to automatically reboot after updates? |
| 07:24.01 | DWSR | ^ |
| 07:24.04 | olafski | but I guess everybody plays it for their own enjoyment :) |
| 07:24.07 | DWSR | I never have these problems. |
| 07:24.16 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, the only people I've heard actually *object* to multiple runs of the same instance per week were tanks |
| 07:24.19 | Amarande | and that was mainly during 3.2 |
| 07:24.27 | Amarande | and that was mainly because of duff loot table itemization on Blizzard's part |
| 07:24.36 | Jerub | DWSR: yeah, but if my choice was between doing first 2 wings of icc twice, or doing the first 2 in one raid, the second 2 in a second raid, and the third 3 ina third raid.... |
| 07:24.38 | DWSR | Also because tanking ToC was a fucking snoozefest. |
| 07:24.40 | Jerub | i know what i'd chose ;) |
| 07:24.55 | Amarande | DWSR: That and tanks got the nice privilege of running ToC three or even four times a week to get gear. |
| 07:25.04 | DWSR | Yep |
| 07:25.14 | DWSR | Mostly because people didn't have tank alts. |
| 07:25.18 | Corrodias | raiding was the light of my life when i played. nothing was more fun than being in a raid and winning a challenging fight. |
| 07:25.27 | DWSR | "was"? |
| 07:25.38 | Amarande | DWSR: I read it was mostly because the only tanking gear at that tier that had a vital stat (hit I think) on it was from 10-mans |
| 07:25.41 | Corrodias | -not- winning and the other stuff you had to do (like farming) were the low points of my life. |
| 07:25.56 | Amarande | so tanks in heroic 25-man guilds (who probably ran the regular 25 too for the emblems) |
| 07:25.57 | Corrodias | DWSR: haven't played since 2.4 |
| 07:26.06 | DWSR | Corrodias: Problem now is that most bosses are fucking /stupid/ easy. |
| 07:26.11 | Corrodias | aw, what? :( |
| 07:26.11 | Amarande | were being forced to run it a third and maybe even a fourth time a week as 10-man to stay hit capped every time they got an upgrade |
| 07:26.13 | DWSR | Except for Sinny, LK, PP. |
| 07:26.39 | Amarande | since if you're not hit capped ... well ... |
| 07:26.40 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:26.45 | Amarande | do taunts use regular hit cap or spell hit cap? |
| 07:26.48 | DWSR | Spell. |
| 07:26.49 | zenzio | personally I found most of BC to be the most fun raid period |
| 07:26.52 | DWSR | You're never capped unless you glyph |
| 07:27.06 | Amarande | Yeah. If you didn't have 17% spell hit, you were always at risk of wiping the raid due to an unlucky taunt fail |
| 07:27.16 | DWSR | Amarande: No tank has 17% spell hit. |
| 07:27.18 | DWSR | None. |
| 07:27.18 | Corrodias | we worked our butts off (obviously not as much as some people) and only got like halfway through SC |
| 07:27.23 | Amarande | on certain encounters at least (every encounter that requires tank switching requires every taunt to go off without a hitch, or you wipe?) |
| 07:27.36 | DWSR | Amarande: You obviously know nothing about tanking. |
| 07:27.54 | Amarande | DWSR: I know the basic principles of tanking, but not the endgame nuances |
| 07:27.55 | zenzio | Amarande: that was the fun of, what was it, Flamegor? Have your four tanks ready to call out when their taunt failed |
| 07:28.13 | Amarande | zenzio: I'm thinking the one in ICC actually |
| 07:28.14 | olafski | amarande: every tank has a glyph that boosts the hit % of taunt with 8% |
| 07:28.19 | Corrodias | for most multitanking bosses, i believe the second tank was expected to maintain threat just below the MT |
| 07:28.38 | Amarande | the one that gives you a (de)buff that makes your guts swell, which is good up to nine times, but one more stack and you become gibs |
| 07:28.45 | zenzio | I can't speak for any other classes, but warriors at least have three attention-abilities |
| 07:28.46 | Corrodias | but when i say "most" i mean, like, the one or two that i knew about |
| 07:28.55 | Amarande | unfortunately, I'm foggy on which boss that was |
| 07:29.00 | Amarande | I want to say Festergut but I'm probably wrong |
| 07:29.01 | zenzio | if taunt fails, Mocking Blow or Challenging Shout and your Taunt will be off cooldown before the other runs out |
| 07:29.03 | DWSR | Amarande: It's Festergut. |
| 07:29.30 | WobWork | the warrior offtank can use intercept to stay under the MT I believe |
| 07:29.30 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 07:29.33 | DWSR | All tanks have 2 taunts. |
| 07:29.41 | DWSR | So, if you miss, retaunt. |
| 07:29.47 | WobWork | and if you miss |
| 07:29.47 | DWSR | If you miss twice, your RNG sucks. |
| 07:29.50 | WobWork | yeah =) |
| 07:30.05 | DWSR | Usually, in that case, we BoP the MT. |
| 07:30.09 | Amarande | DWSR: the issue with Festergut, of course, is that if you have to retaunt, there's a good chance your partner's stomach just burst on you |
| 07:30.11 | DWSR | Since it will drop them off the threat list. |
| 07:30.15 | DWSR | Amarande: No, there isn't. |
| 07:30.21 | DWSR | If you have 3 taunt misses, there is. |
| 07:30.30 | zenzio | Blessing of Protection on the tank? That sounds like Huhuran |
| 07:30.30 | DWSR | If you miss once or twice, you can still get away with it. |
| 07:30.47 | DWSR | Having done it. |
| 07:30.55 | DWSR | The spacing between the stacks of Bloat is >6 sec |
| 07:31.11 | DWSR | No tank spell hit caps. |
| 07:31.12 | DWSR | Ever. |
| 07:31.12 | Amarande | although it seems like just about every raid boss has its nasty little gimmick that will get you |
| 07:31.22 | DWSR | Spell hit capping is fucking stupid. |
| 07:31.37 | Corrodias | i think we get the point |
| 07:31.38 | Amarande | which is probably a good thing, because if they didn't, everything would be a dps race and the gearscore people would grin at us that their douchebaggery was indeed justified. :P |
| 07:31.47 | DWSR | Corrodias: Amarande obviously does not. |
| 07:33.05 | olafski | the more cursing you do, the more people will believe you're right |
| 07:33.20 | DWSR | Anyway. |
| 07:33.31 | DWSR | Amarande: Double taunt misses are exceedingly rare. |
| 07:33.40 | Amarande | olafski: anyway, if you don't play WoW to enjoy the camaraderie |
| 07:33.45 | Amarande | why do you play a MMO in the first place? |
| 07:33.52 | DWSR | Not capping your specials and your MH damage is much more of a problem. |
| 07:33.59 | DWSR | Amarande: I can think of plenty of reasons. |
| 07:33.59 | Amarande | you might as well play an RPG that's better as a single player experience |
| 07:34.10 | Amarande | (well, as long as they keep making those, since htey seem a dyingish breed now) |
| 07:34.12 | olafski | I don't like rpg amarande |
| 07:34.17 | olafski | I just play wow to have some fun |
| 07:34.30 | Amarande | you don't like RPGs, but you play an RPG to have some fun |
| 07:34.33 | Amarande | ... |
| 07:34.35 | Corrodias | as i recall, there were some bosses that required taunts, and basically if the taunt failed (and you only got one shot at it), then everybody stopped what they were fucking doing until the tank had a second try. |
| 07:34.35 | olafski | I don't consider wow an rpg |
| 07:34.47 | olafski | not more than quake is an rpg |
| 07:35.09 | zenzio | Corrodias: I miss those |
| 07:36.02 | zenzio | untauntables were also fun. Watching casters learn when to stop DoTing Hydross before a switch, etc |
| 07:36.10 | zenzio | well, melee with DoTs too |
| 07:36.20 | Corrodias | hell yes, you mean you don't do that any more? :< |
| 07:36.33 | zenzio | I don't know, I haven't raided since 3.0 |
| 07:37.00 | Corrodias | ah, i see |
| 07:37.10 | olafski | not really I think :P |
| 07:37.11 | zenzio | had a falling out with my guild and took a break, then I was just too far behind to bother finding a new guild at 3.2/3.3. Was hoping to go back for Cataclysm, but now I don't know |
| 07:37.37 | olafski | I could do with a nice 10man guild |
| 07:37.47 | olafski | but I still don't think there are any of those that fit my requirements ;) |
| 07:37.57 | Amarande | wow, people are QQing about 10's not being so good either |
| 07:38.04 | Amarande | they're claiming that 10's will cause people to bring classes rather than players |
| 07:38.13 | Amarande | whereas the larger group of a 25's allows for more leeway |
| 07:38.19 | DWSR | Amarande: IT does. |
| 07:38.25 | Amarande | this is something I'd be concerned about, actually |
| 07:38.34 | Corrodias | news flash to General posters: each player has at least one class |
| 07:38.38 | Amarande | mainly because before WoW, I came from Guild Wars, where that phenomenon was seen in the extreme |
| 07:38.41 | Corrodias | thus, bringing classes -> bringing players |
| 07:39.01 | olafski | psh we did 10mans with 3-4 paladins, 1 DK, 2 hunters and 2 druids |
| 07:39.04 | DWSR | If they homogenize buffs /so/ much that you can literally bring /whoever/, I'm going to stop playing. |
| 07:39.05 | Amarande | Corrodias: I guess the issue (which was the case with GW for sure, and people worry will be an issue in WoW) |
| 07:39.17 | DWSR | Basically, if they homogenize it much more than currently. |
| 07:39.19 | Amarande | is that some classes were specifically targeted to be go-to people for the groups |
| 07:39.28 | Amarande | while other classes were pretty much destined to spend eternity on the bench |
| 07:39.37 | Fisker |  |
| 07:39.54 | Corrodias | did they fail to balance it? what, nobody wants paladins any more? |
| 07:39.55 | Fisker |  |
| 07:40.07 | Amarande | Corrodias: Like WoW, GW eventually had ten classes |
| 07:40.31 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes. Paladins, enh shamans, moonkins and ele shamans come to mind. |
| 07:40.32 | Amarande | of those, each of the harder instances usually saw maybe four or so of the ten be taken on a regular basis |
| 07:40.56 | Corrodias | thinking about karazhan... you ... nope, everybody had a go at it |
| 07:40.57 | Amarande | If you played a Mesmer or one of the four expansion classes, in particular, sucked to be you |
| 07:41.28 | Corrodias | that's interesting, Amarande. though back when i played, mesmers were rather powerful in pvp, and the pve portion wasn't worth getting worked up about. |
| 07:41.50 | Amarande | I think the main thing with Mesmers was they were awesome, maybe even THE most awesome when it came to single targets |
| 07:42.01 | Amarande | but PvE there revolved around AoE to an extreme that even WoW raids never matched |
| 07:42.17 | Amarande | and Mesmers basically sucked at AoE |
| 07:42.35 | Amarande | they had pretty much two good AoE spells and both had horrible long CDs |
| 07:42.56 | Corrodias | anyway, i don't see that being such a problem in WoW. there are certain specs that are a little weaker. but even those can have their place in a raid. |
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| 07:43.14 | Amarande | DWSR: I think that's what shamans are worried about |
| 07:43.15 | olafski | in my guild we certainly brought the players, not the classes |
| 07:43.19 | zenzio | while I realise my guild in WotLK and my guild in Vanilla were of different skill, I was disappointed with Naxx25... even though I got to see much more of that than I did Naxx40, 40 felt more challenging and fun |
| 07:43.24 | olafski | raiding without priest, mage or shaman was kind of annoying but we did ok |
| 07:43.27 | Amarande | a lot of shamans feel they only even get raid spots now because of Bloodlust |
| 07:43.33 | Corrodias | i recall that the moonkins WAS viable, at least up to a point, and i don't know what that point was. |
| 07:43.37 | Amarande | (or Heroism ... what the hell is Heroism anyway, I only ever hear about Bloodlust) |
| 07:43.47 | Fisker | it's the alliance version of bloodlust |
| 07:43.48 | olafski | heroism is alliance bloodlust |
| 07:43.49 | DWSR | Amarande: Ally version of BL. |
| 07:43.51 | Corrodias | healing shamans were amazing, and the other two had plenty of usefulness as well |
| 07:44.01 | Corrodias | everything has gone wrong since 2.4. they should rollback. |
| 07:44.13 | Amarande | and now that mages are getting an equivalent buff, they fear they may be relegated to healer duty only or pushed out of raids entirely |
| 07:44.42 | Amarande | Corrodias: keep the dungeon finder and badges for randoms though |
| 07:45.17 | Amarande | the main trouble with 2.4 was if your 70 was too wet behind the ears, you didn't have the gear to get accepted into heroics to GET the badges so you could get the gear to get accepted into heroics so you could get the badges so you could get the gear to get accepted into kara etc. ... |
| 07:45.38 | Corrodias | i didn't find that to be a problem |
| 07:46.12 | Corrodias | but when you say "wet behind the ears", i suppose that's normal enough. get some quest and normal-instance gear before you start trying to play heroics. |
| 07:46.22 | Amarande | Corrodias: yeah, there was the rub |
| 07:46.23 | Corrodias | i can't say that's bad design |
| 07:46.30 | Amarande | by 2.4, virtually no one played the normal instances anymore |
| 07:47.11 | Corrodias | there was still some activity in outland. enough to get groups going, as long as you kept an open mind about what instance you were available for. |
| 07:47.14 | Amarande | and one of said normal instances (BM) had an attunement |
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| 07:47.36 | Amarande | if you needed Durnholde to get attunement for BM still ... that was even more torture than getting into a heroic without the gear |
| 07:47.37 | Corrodias | azeroth was dead, so my hunter wasn't able to play in a group until i hit outland (and of course was expected to CC right away, so i practiced) |
| 07:48.34 | Amarande | (although still not as bad as trying to get durnholde in LK pre-3.3 ... I wonder how many alchemists felt forced to blow the money on Primal Mights between 3.0 and 3.2) |
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| 07:48.53 | Corrodias | what is durnholde, again? |
| 07:49.04 | Corrodias | that isn't a dungeon that i remember |
| 07:49.05 | Amarande | to spec that is ... feeling forced to accept speccing initially as Transmutation and then respec into what they wanted, because the other two required items from 70 instances no one visited |
| 07:49.11 | Amarande | Corrodias: Old Hillsbrad |
| 07:49.24 | Amarande | everyone always called it Durnholde since it centered around Thrall's escape from the place of that name |
| 07:49.38 | Corrodias | oh. that must have been a realm specific thing. on ET we called it OHB. |
| 07:49.43 | Corrodias | it something like that. |
| 07:50.02 | Corrodias | it must depend on population. i didn't really have much of a problem on eldre'thalas. |
| 07:50.53 | Amarande | Corrodias: yeah, that what instance thing could be an issue too :) |
| 07:51.07 | Amarande | especially if the gear you needed wasn't from Steamvault or a TK instance |
| 07:51.13 | Amarande | since that was pretty much all people really were willing to PUG |
| 07:51.19 | Amarande | everyone hated Shadow Labs, SH, and Sethekk |
| 07:52.05 | Amarande | of course, if you were a warlock (as I was), this meant torture of the most exquisite kind |
| 07:52.09 | WobWork | TIME FOR FUN |
| 07:52.18 | DWSR | Amarande: You're typing a lot, but all I'm reading is QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ |
| 07:52.19 | Amarande | since *everything* in warlock DS3, except the headpiece (which came from Arcatraz), was from one of those instances everyone hated |
| 07:53.46 | Amarande | It was also a lot more difficult to get hit capped in BC, too |
| 07:53.57 | Corrodias | i got quite a bit of action in each dungeon. except not so much in auchindoun. |
| 07:54.06 | Amarande | in LK, I found it a fairly easy matter to cap out, while in BC I never did manage to reach 202 |
| 07:54.08 | olafski | I'm glad I skipped tbc ;) |
| 07:54.12 | Corrodias | or... which one was the one that had ghosts? |
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| 07:54.26 | Amarande | Ghosts were from Auchenai Crypts, I think |
| 07:54.28 | Amarande | Everyone hated that one. |
| 07:54.31 | Corrodias | that's it |
| 07:54.44 | Amarande | That instance was hated even more than Sethekk or Shadow Labs. |
| 07:54.55 | Amarande | It was basically the very definition for BC of "Scrappy Level." |
| 07:55.20 | Corrodias | we liked shadow lab okay. we had to, because i think we ran that one more than any other. |
| 07:55.30 | Amarande | Of course, with only the two bosses, and the fact that it has those horrible glowie balls ... |
| 07:55.32 | Corrodias | usually heroic, though, by that point... |
| 07:55.45 | Amarande | I still remember that glowie ball. |
| 07:55.51 | Amarande | With extreme contempt. |
| 07:56.10 | WobWork | Ah, AC |
| 07:56.13 | Corrodias | the only other one that stands out in my memory as being a pain was heroic shattered halls, and even that was -okay-, if you were careful. |
| 07:56.21 | WobWork | the worst of that was the escort for AC |
| 07:56.30 | Amarande | Wob: the escort was mana tombs |
| 07:56.35 | WobWork | oh yeah |
| 07:56.41 | WobWork | in any case that was always terrible |
| 07:56.49 | WobWork | because you could never get the whole party on the quest |
| 07:56.55 | WobWork | someone would -always- set it off early |
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| 07:57.16 | Amarande | AC had the bridge with the glowie balls |
| 07:57.18 | harl | hi |
| 07:57.31 | Amarande | I still remember the time on Quel'dorei when I was called in by my guild as subs in the middle of a H-AC run |
| 07:57.37 | zenzio | <olafski> I'm glad I skipped tbc ;) <-- how come? BC raids were great |
| 07:57.41 | Amarande | they'd just cleared the first boss, at the end of the bridge |
| 07:57.56 | WobWork | oh I hate that boss |
| 07:58.03 | Amarande | so I fly on over and walk in. no repops, no aggro, good. I get to the bridge, and next thing I see this glowing red ball (not sure HOW they managed not to kill it before that though ...) |
| 07:58.10 | WobWork | any healer without a fast instant heal was screwed |
| 07:58.18 | WobWork | Amarande: they respawn |
| 07:58.21 | zenzio | Amarande: I think those just spawn |
| 07:58.23 | Amarande | in the split second it takes me to register this as a hostile mob and not a decoration |
| 07:58.31 | Amarande | I'm already going FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU....splat. |
| 07:59.00 | Amarande | Yay! I died before even the first pull! |
| 07:59.06 | Amarande | Yeah, AC sucked. |
| 07:59.29 | Amarande | anyway. it's almost 4am |
| 07:59.31 | Amarande | I should sleep |
| 07:59.32 | Fisker | hacks zenzio |
| 07:59.33 | Amarande | night folks |
| 07:59.36 | WobWork | sleep well |
| 07:59.40 | WobWork | home time! |
| 08:00.31 | Fisker | no WobWork ! |
| 08:00.37 | Fisker | i will stop you |
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| 08:21.05 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5521053/sumosac-gigantor-bean-bag-chair-review-its-nothing-like-standing-up |
| 08:21.10 | Arrowmaster | part about launching cats = epic |
| 08:22.45 | Arrowmaster | "Wait until your cat is asleep on it, and then fall down hard onto an unoccupied spot. The poly-fill quickly shifts to accommodate you, launching the cat two to three feet in the air, depending on weight. This is the most beautiful thing you will ever see. I wish I had pictures." |
| 08:28.12 | Corrodias | hah |
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| 08:29.22 | Arrowmaster | "Played both single and multiplayer modes. Tested it in a variety of situations. Yes, it works really well for...that." |
| 08:30.01 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 08:30.22 | Kalroth | tmi I guess :P |
| 08:30.42 | Arrowmaster | and some smartass in the comments had to go and point it out "I think Fahey just said that this bean bag chair is great for banging. I love Kotaku." |
| 08:34.31 | Fisker | Kalroth |
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| 08:45.47 | Cidwel | hurr durr |
| 08:46.35 | Kalroth | derp |
| 08:48.04 | Fisker | derp derp derp |
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| 08:57.03 | Fisker | you |
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| 09:08.06 | Fisker | then you mitch0 ? |
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| 09:27.26 | olafski | zenzio: no clue about BC raids, I did one boss in BT and that's it ;) but given the strong nostalgic feelings I have for vanilla raids I doubt they would stand up anyway ;) |
| 09:27.52 | Fisker | vanilla raids sucked |
| 09:28.10 | Fisker | except AQ |
| 09:28.13 | Fisker | and maybe naxx |
| 09:28.49 | olafski | man what would my life be like if I cared about your opinion on these things :( |
| 09:29.42 | Fisker | it's not a matter of opinion olafski |
| 09:30.02 | olafski | whatever you say master :) |
| 09:30.09 | Fisker | so we agree |
| 09:30.21 | olafski | unlikely |
| 09:30.45 | Fisker | [11:30:02] <olafski> whatever you say master :) |
| 09:30.52 | Kalroth | vanilla raids rocked |
| 09:30.57 | Wobin | So |
| 09:31.09 | olafski | see, with kalroth I can agree |
| 09:31.12 | Wobin | Fisker and olafski agree. Fisker's opinion doesn't matter =) |
| 09:31.36 | Fisker | it's not an opinion without reason olafski |
| 09:31.38 | Fisker | so no |
| 09:32.44 | zenzio | olafski: given nostalgia, I won't argue; but BC was very good in my opinion |
| 09:33.41 | olafski | sunwell plateau looks nice |
| 09:34.13 | olafski | rushing through naxxramas in wotlk was a bit of a letdown |
| 09:34.18 | olafski | even though my guild didn't really rush through it |
| 09:34.27 | zenzio | yeah, it was too easy |
| 09:34.28 | olafski | I think we had on average 17 people in a raid |
| 09:34.52 | olafski | sometimes 20, sometimes 16.. eventually we killed all bosses but it took ages |
| 09:35.02 | zenzio | the only reason my guild took as long as it did in Naxxramas was because they kept going "zomg the other good guild on the realm is doing (Sartharion/Malygos) we must go there to get the #1 kill" |
| 09:35.09 | olafski | :P |
| 09:35.23 | zenzio | and because they did, we lost #1 on Malygos, Sartharion, AND Naxx |
| 09:38.05 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, ouch |
| 09:38.31 | olafski | it took us ages to kill kelthuzad because we always got stuck on thaddius =( |
| 09:38.46 | ZorbaTHut | my only experience with difficult raiding was Ulduar |
| 09:38.54 | ZorbaTHut | which I really enjoyed, but it was frustrating how bad my guildies were :( |
| 09:40.21 | zenzio | that was why I loved BC raids so much. My guild was about realm #15, give or take (on perhaps the top PvE Alliance server in EU), which was just right for me. Raids were challenging to learn, but felt awesome when we did |
| 09:43.58 | olafski | ulduar was nice |
| 09:44.09 | olafski | we never got close to killing yogg saron though +( |
| 09:44.30 | olafski | our best melee dps (me) always had to tank and apparently the others didn't really understand how to get through the portals in a timely manner |
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| 09:46.44 | olafski | jebus it's like every day I visit mmo-c and there's a post about warrior aoe tanking |
| 09:46.48 | olafski | can't they just give it a rest? :P |
| 09:46.58 | olafski | (obviously not mmo-c's fault btw) |
| 09:47.17 | ZorbaTHut | man seriously, warrior aoe tanking, right now, is mildly irritating but perfectly doable |
| 09:47.24 | ZorbaTHut | sorta doubt they're gonna be making it worse |
| 09:47.56 | olafski | I don't think I should comment since I don't raid |
| 09:48.00 | olafski | but in heroics it's no problem at all imo :) |
| 09:48.19 | ZorbaTHut | warriors have *really* nice burst threat, and in heroics that's all that matters |
| 09:48.31 | ZorbaTHut | plus in heroics, if you're competent, your partymembers really aren't |
| 09:48.37 | olafski | tc/sw, then just taunt back if something runs.. with 6 second taunt cd and vigilance there are so many taunts I can do.. |
| 09:48.38 | ZorbaTHut | in raids it's a bit more problematical |
| 09:48.44 | ZorbaTHut | but it's still not, y'know, *bad* |
| 09:48.48 | olafski | yer :) |
| 09:48.56 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, and Mocking Blow, and Challenging Shout |
| 09:49.02 | olafski | man I did a heroic this morning with a paladin with 17k mana (healer) whining about my gear |
| 09:49.05 | ZorbaTHut | warriors just have a ridiculous number of "no, stay the fuck on me" abilities |
| 09:49.16 | olafski | then asking the shaman if he could heal because "i hav uber retri gear" |
| 09:49.34 | olafski | I don't think I even have mocking blow on an action bar, let alone on a keybind.. :P |
| 09:49.45 | ZorbaTHut | I've needed it a few times on taunt-heavy boss fights |
| 09:52.02 | olafski | mm yeah, np for me since I don't do those ;) |
| 09:52.40 | olafski | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Warriorski don't see why people have to qq over my gear in heroics +( |
| 09:52.56 | zenzio | I did another HoR the other day (first in a long time) and told the group straight up that I would not be doing LoS tanking. Kept marking the closest spellcaster for them to attack while I picked up the rest |
| 09:53.03 | zenzio | in the end they were mostly impressed |
| 09:53.15 | foxlit | olafski: ew, it's blue! it burrrrnsss! |
| 09:53.19 | zenzio | I'd thought that by now people would have dropped the LoS strategy |
| 09:53.28 | Arrowmaster | our 25man tank used to pull out all of the tricks in heroics in TBC |
| 09:53.34 | Arrowmaster | although he kinda had to |
| 09:53.47 | olafski | hm the very first time I did HoR I did it without LoS tanking |
| 09:53.55 | olafski | didn't know about that tactic |
| 09:54.05 | olafski | all subsequent times I did it with LoS though and it worked I guess :P |
| 09:54.25 | Arrowmaster | he didnt wasnt happy about the amount of threat my warlock and my friends rogue could pull in a short amount of time |
| 09:54.40 | olafski | yeah.. not really an issue anymore |
| 09:54.57 | olafski | unless the dps has 264 gear and the tank has 177, it's quite hard to lose aggro |
| 09:55.18 | olafski | foxlit: not only blue, but it has a dps dagger! |
| 09:55.20 | zenzio | olafski: as long as it works for you, that's good. I can't do the LoS strategy, it's too cramped for me to keep an eye on everything |
| 09:55.28 | olafski | yep that's annoying |
| 09:55.38 | olafski | but getting the gunners and casters close enough is annoying |
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| 09:59.40 | olafski | anywho, it's annoying when people (particularly paladins it seems) queue as healer to get a faster queue, then the second they get in they start asking everybody if they can heal instead |
| 10:00.12 | cbreak | I'd answer: "Sure, but don't complain if we wipe" |
| 10:00.22 | cbreak | is Arcane Mage |
| 10:00.34 | olafski | ^^ |
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| 10:01.46 | cbreak | has 450 points in First aid. |
| 10:01.52 | cbreak | I hope 20 bandages would be enough |
| 10:02.51 | olafski | in a well geared group I imagine it is |
| 10:03.00 | olafski | I've never tried running without a healer or tank but I guess it's certainly doable :) |
| 10:03.03 | olafski | bbl =) |
| 10:03.18 | zenzio | depends on the instance |
| 10:03.43 | Arrowmaster | did upto the first boss of shattered halls without a tank when we first got the key to it |
| 10:25.01 | Fisker | any awesome mages here? |
| 10:25.48 | cbreak | I am fairly awesome... |
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| 10:28.41 | Fisker | any idea what to do when you get frostfire bolt at level 75? |
| 10:28.55 | Fisker | still frostbolt spam and then ffb when brain freeze? |
| 10:32.13 | cbreak | depends. |
| 10:32.24 | cbreak | there are frost specs (frost/arcane), and frostfire (frost/fire) |
| 10:32.45 | cbreak | I am arcane currently, but when I leveled, I was frost, so I never used FFB |
| 10:33.21 | cbreak | if you want to use it, you need a specific spec, since some things don't work for it (frostbolt cast time reduction ...) |
| 10:33.35 | Fisker | i'm so frost that i'm shitting icecubes |
| 10:33.51 | Fisker | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fiskermagi |
| 10:34.37 | cbreak | uhm... |
| 10:34.47 | cbreak | usually, you'd crosstree as mage |
| 10:34.59 | Fisker | usually is dead ;3 |
| 10:35.03 | cbreak | putting all in one is uncommon |
| 10:35.11 | zenzio | Fisker is uncommon |
| 10:35.33 | Fisker | frost is fine |
| 10:36.43 | cbreak | what's that spec intended to be good for? |
| 10:36.50 | cbreak | being cool? :) |
| 10:36.59 | haste | Fisker: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&cn=Otravi A CHALLENGER APPEARS! |
| 10:37.18 | ZorbaTHut | I don't believe there is one good single-spec tree right now |
| 10:37.36 | haste | oh wit, your mage is L74 now :D |
| 10:37.37 | zenzio | haste: it is dangerous to go alone. Take this: http://www.wowhead.com/item=34478 |
| 10:37.38 | cbreak | for mages there probably is none, if you mean "Performs well" with good. |
| 10:37.41 | Fisker | cbreak spamming frostbolt |
| 10:37.51 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, I mean for any class |
| 10:37.58 | cbreak | there are some talents you took that aren't very useful for that |
| 10:38.05 | haste | ZorbaTHut: have it on my other priest :D |
| 10:38.08 | ZorbaTHut | and I mean "a spec that would not get you instantly kicked out of a top-100 guild" |
| 10:38.15 | cbreak | you don't need enduring winter since youhave the eternal water glyph |
| 10:38.36 | cbreak | shatter barrier is pvp |
| 10:38.36 | ZorbaTHut | (this obviously applies to later levels, you can probably afford to be single-spec at level 11) |
| 10:38.51 | cbreak | cold as ice isn't very useful if you have enduring witner either |
| 10:39.01 | Fisker | i use it for replenishment |
| 10:39.19 | cbreak | I usually go into arcane |
| 10:39.26 | cbreak | look at "Torment the Weak" |
| 10:39.37 | cbreak | level 4 arcane talent |
| 10:39.42 | Fisker | :o |
| 10:39.56 | cbreak | on the way you get focus magic, arcane concentration |
| 10:40.44 | cbreak | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Turalyon&cn=Dust&group=2 is my current frost spec, but it's outdated, I didn't change it since ages |
| 10:41.07 | cbreak | I would drop enduring winter for brain freeze for example, and a few other things |
| 10:42.49 | cbreak | it's a build for heroics/soloing, but there are some artefacts in it. |
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| 10:46.41 | Fisker | think i got a spec now |
| 10:47.07 | haste | 0/0/0! |
| 10:47.08 | Fisker | http://www.wowhead.com/talent#of0V0dZZAccIofu0czgfot |
| 10:47.29 | Fisker | err actually |
| 10:47.38 | Fisker | should drop focus magic since i'm not playing with anyone else at the moment :P |
| 10:47.41 | cbreak | if I'd dare to raid with frost, I'd be http://www.wowhead.com/talent#of0wcz0cZZAIccofu0czgfot:inR |
| 10:48.55 | Fisker | maybe i should go dualspec :o |
| 10:49.01 | cbreak | yeah |
| 10:49.09 | cbreak | best thing bliz added in wotlk |
| 10:49.13 | cbreak | probably :) |
| 10:49.22 | cbreak | arcane is very fun, if you have good gear |
| 10:49.27 | cbreak | (and getting that is easy these days) |
| 10:49.48 | Fisker | as level 75 the amount of gear i have is pretty limited :P |
| 10:50.16 | Fisker | damn |
| 10:50.20 | Fisker | the dalaran mages can't respec me |
| 10:50.20 | cbreak | it's probably not good for leveling |
| 10:50.24 | Fisker | and they call themselves mages? |
| 10:50.30 | cbreak | they aren't trainers |
| 10:50.54 | Fisker | There trainers in the room with the stone thingy |
| 10:51.09 | Fisker | been using them to train ever since i landed in northrend :P |
| 10:52.02 | cbreak | :/ |
| 10:52.07 | cbreak | they've been ripping you off |
| 10:52.34 | cbreak | I always train from those in Stormwind. |
| 10:52.40 | cbreak | since I was level 2 |
| 10:52.51 | cbreak | rarely disapointed me :) |
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| 11:09.57 | Fisker | :P |
| 11:22.20 | Fisker | cbreak |
| 11:22.28 | Fisker | didn't clearcasting give you instant cast spells in the past? |
| 11:22.33 | cbreak | no |
| 11:22.40 | cbreak | presence of mind does that |
| 11:22.49 | cbreak | or the tier 2 8 piece bonus |
| 11:23.02 | Arrowmaster | which was funny when it broke |
| 11:23.19 | zenzio | how so? |
| 11:23.19 | cbreak | I wasted a horde group in WSG with that once :) |
| 11:23.28 | Arrowmaster | and mages were running around bgs insta casting scortch nonstop |
| 11:23.31 | cbreak | I think I had a 7 streak of instant frostbolts |
| 11:23.56 | Arrowmaster | theres a video, it really did break once and the buff didnt get removed |
| 11:24.59 | Arrowmaster | and im going to bed |
| 11:26.53 | Fisker | LOL cbreak |
| 11:26.56 | Fisker | 4k dps at level 75 |
| 11:27.07 | cbreak | not bad. Did you go arcane? |
| 11:27.18 | Fisker | no |
| 11:27.21 | Fisker | that was frost |
| 11:27.26 | cbreak | nice |
| 11:27.29 | Fisker | or yes i did go arcane/frost of course :P |
| 11:27.50 | cbreak | you're relying on procs unfortunately |
| 11:28.02 | cbreak | so half of that won't work in raids, and some of it not even in parties |
| 11:28.04 | Fisker | did a frostbolt crit, got brainfreeze, frostfirebolt, then fingers of frost proc |
| 11:28.07 | Fisker | then deep freeze ;3 |
| 11:28.56 | Fisker | then i pulled aggro and iceblocked for the rest of the mobs hp |
| 11:28.56 | Fisker | :P |
| 11:29.06 | Fisker | lost 1k dps to that alone :( |
| 11:34.11 | cbreak | when will you get mirror images? |
| 11:34.20 | cbreak | not sure if it was the 80 spell |
| 11:34.28 | Fisker | i think it is |
| 11:34.36 | cbreak | it will give you 30 seconds of zero threat :) |
| 11:35.01 | cbreak | (unfortunately, you'll get all the accumulated threat after 30 secs back... but it gives tanks time to start their rotation) |
| 11:35.53 | Fisker | living bomb is kinda sick though |
| 11:35.59 | Fisker | just throw it on everything |
| 11:36.02 | Fisker | frost nova |
| 11:36.05 | cbreak | I do not use fire. |
| 11:36.06 | Fisker | watch the fireworks |
| 11:36.14 | Fisker | that's my grouping spec :P |
| 11:36.34 | cbreak | I have over a year /played, 0 second of that in a fire spec. |
| 11:36.48 | cbreak | I can't stand it. |
| 11:37.47 | zenzio | but... rolling ignites! |
| 11:37.53 | Fisker | i ignite u |
| 11:38.11 | zenzio | which happens to be the extent of my fire mage knowledge... sometime I heard mentioned in Naxx40 |
| 11:38.18 | zenzio | *something |
| 11:38.33 | cbreak | Ignite got butchered by blizzard every few months |
| 11:38.52 | cbreak | back then it was infinitely stacking |
| 11:39.05 | cbreak | and shared between mages too (so there was just one stack everyone contributed to) |
| 11:39.18 | Fisker | i remember that |
| 11:39.36 | cbreak | these days it's one per mage, and I think it rolls similar to Incanter's Absorbtion buff |
| 11:40.01 | cbreak | so ignite is probably similar to a 60% crit bonus damage modifier |
| 11:40.22 | cbreak | (frost has a +50% modifier, arcane +25%) |
| 11:42.27 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/04/derren-brown-meets-people-claim-paranormal-powers-ch4/ |
| 11:43.29 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100429.html |
| 11:53.14 | bleeter | Fisker: |
| 11:54.16 | bleeter | http://industry.bnet.com/energy/10002897/ten-serious-nuclear-fusion-projects-making-progress-around-the-world/ |
| 11:55.48 | Fisker | why so srs? |
| 11:56.48 | Kalroth | Fisker, you're the spring in my autumn |
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| 11:58.32 | Torhal | Fisker: I am not amused. |
| 12:00.04 | mikma | i am muse |
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| 12:10.13 | Fisker | i am you |
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| 12:17.53 | Fisker | robotusch boost |
| 12:23.49 | Fisker | robotusch |
| 12:23.58 | Fisker | haste få robotusch til at booste mig |
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| 12:31.46 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:33.24 | Fisker | takes pictures |
| 12:33.48 | Lopeppeppy | Morning Cairenn! *huggle* |
| 12:33.55 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 12:48.19 | Jamash | morning all |
| 12:48.31 | zenzio_ | hai |
| 12:48.44 | Jamash | my stupid dad left his work badge at home |
| 12:48.47 | Jamash | AGAIN |
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| 12:49.19 | Jamash | and I have to drive in and give it to him |
| 12:49.29 | Fisker | that's what your mom said |
| 12:49.31 | Fisker | when i was doing her |
| 12:49.33 | Fisker | baboom |
| 12:49.46 | Jamash | :-( |
| 12:50.20 | zenzio_ | his mom was talking about gonig to someone else while you were doing her? You must not be very good then |
| 12:50.24 | zenzio_ | *going |
| 12:55.01 | Adys | http://nerfnow.com/comic/223 |
| 12:56.12 | zenzio_ | =D |
| 13:01.56 | Lopeppeppy | has a grumpy. |
| 13:02.10 | Cairenn|afk | hugs the Lopeppeppy |
| 13:02.35 | zenzio_ | what did the cats do now peppy? |
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| 13:03.09 | Lopeppeppy | Cats, boys, parents, work, you name it. This has been a week full of fail. I have tomorrow off, and that can't come soon enough. |
| 13:03.44 | Cairenn|afk | has a sleep time, /wave |
| 13:03.54 | zenzio_ | most of those suck, but you knew what we're like before you joined the chat room :-x |
| 13:04.02 | zenzio_ | tucks Cairenn|afk in |
| 13:04.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep well! *fluffs the pillows* |
| 13:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | I know, zenzio, you're the bright spot in my morning dear. |
| 13:04.37 | zenzio_ | \o/ |
| 13:05.44 | zenzio | for joo, peppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/04/28/funny-pictures-being-adorable-2/ |
| 13:10.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not sure I'm that cute in a bow tie, but thank you. |
| 13:10.42 | Wobin | omg Peppy is a cat? |
| 13:10.53 | zenzio | sometmes |
| 13:10.56 | zenzio | +i |
| 13:11.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes. I can be both cat and fox. Depends on if I'm biting your spleen out, or sitting in the sun. |
| 13:11.59 | zenzio | or sitting in the sun biting your spleen out |
| 13:12.53 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer to keep the spleen-ectomies to darkly lit rooms. |
| 13:13.18 | zenzio | ah, you're one of those mafioso foxes |
| 13:14.24 | Lopeppeppy | Make you an offer. |
| 13:15.12 | zenzio | http://www.olivepixel.com/misc/kitten/ |
| 13:16.44 | Lopeppeppy | Kitty is cute! |
| 13:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | Did you get me a long-distance furfriend yet? |
| 13:17.18 | zenzio | nope, but I'm hoping to during May - finally just about payed off stuff after moving |
| 13:17.26 | zenzio | *paid... |
| 13:17.35 | zenzio | QQs as his English deteriorates |
| 13:17.41 | Lopeppeppy | Woot! |
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| 13:17.52 | Lopeppeppy | Well, not for the English skills slipping into suckage. |
| 13:17.59 | zenzio | hehe |
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| 13:31.42 | Jamash|grumble | kitty! |
| 13:33.54 | Jamash | aaaaand now one of our dogs just threw up on the tile |
| 13:34.08 | Jamash | is having an /awesome/ day, thanks for asking. |
| 13:34.15 | olafski | cute kitty |
| 13:35.57 | Wobin | You're a KITTY! |
| 13:36.03 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 13:38.45 | Jamash | :3\ |
| 13:39.35 | olafski | no u :( |
| 13:39.40 | Kaso | On the tile? |
| 13:39.48 | Jamash | at least it wasn't on the carpet |
| 13:39.58 | Kaso | do you have like a single tile on your floor, in that case that they managed to hit just that was pretty impressive |
| 13:40.03 | Jamash | yes |
| 13:40.06 | Kalroth | a kitty! |
| 13:40.35 | Jamash | well, I picked her up and put her on it |
| 13:40.40 | Jamash | so really not that impressive |
| 13:42.17 | Jamash | it went something like (Daisy) HURK HURK HURK (me) ok let's go over here *right now* |
| 13:42.51 | Lopeppeppy | I wish it were that easy with the cats. I just pray that Rosie isn't on the bed. |
| 13:43.50 | zenzio | yup, cats tend to wait until you're not home before they find someplace to throw up |
| 13:44.41 | Lopeppeppy | Like 12 times on my bed. |
| 13:45.08 | zenzio | was this the cat that was not allowed to sleep there? |
| 13:45.33 | Lopeppeppy | No, this is the cat who is confined to the bedroom at night, or when I'm away overnight. |
| 13:45.35 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie-lady. |
| 13:45.41 | zenzio | ah |
| 13:45.45 | zenzio | so it's not revenge then |
| 13:45.58 | Lopeppeppy | No, she just has wicked hairballs. |
| 13:47.00 | zenzio | was she a long-haired one? |
| 13:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, average house cat. But the over-groomer-after-surgery kind of hairball. |
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| 13:47.38 | zenzio | ah |
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| 13:51.43 | Fisker | awww |
| 13:51.52 | Fisker | news were like "activision boss quits" |
| 13:51.56 | Fisker | i was like YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 13:52.03 | Fisker | News were like "no it's not bobby kotick" |
| 13:52.06 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 13:52.11 | zenzio | indeed |
| 13:52.11 | Jamash | aw |
| 13:53.11 | olafski | all this activision hate.. amusing |
| 13:53.21 | Elkano | yeah, some will just respawn... |
| 13:53.31 | Fisker | why so amusing olafski ? |
| 13:53.47 | olafski | because |
| 13:54.35 | olafski | I assume people have started making little pictures of activision's boss with devil's horns and a pointy tail and stuff too? |
| 13:54.49 | Fisker | what reasoning is that? |
| 13:55.30 | olafski | I don't see any reasoning? |
| 13:55.42 | olafski | the last statement was unrelated to the rest |
| 13:55.58 | olafski | I assume this, and I also find it amusing that people can qq so much over some video game company |
| 13:56.48 | Fisker | i still want to know though |
| 13:57.17 | olafski | raise your hand if you care what fisker wants |
| 13:57.30 | Jamash | raises hand. |
| 13:57.40 | olafski | then you can give him what he wants :) |
| 13:57.41 | Jamash | It's not my hand, though. |
| 13:57.47 | Fisker | But why bother wasting peoples time if you're not able to provide the reasoning for your arguments? |
| 13:57.50 | olafski | oh I said "raise _your_ hand" :S |
| 13:57.54 | Jamash | yes, you did |
| 13:58.02 | olafski | k good jamash =) |
| 14:03.07 | robotusch | obvious Fisker is obvious |
| 14:03.11 | Wobin | http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/042010/small_ceiling%20kitty.jpg |
| 14:03.20 | robotusch | :| |
| 14:03.39 | Fisker | hej robotusch |
| 14:03.44 | Fisker | hvorfor boostede du mig ikke? |
| 14:03.56 | robotusch | You said you had already done the quests |
| 14:04.05 | robotusch | and then you went AN |
| 14:04.06 | Fisker | næ? |
| 14:04.07 | Wobin | ... Zero Punctuation is offering a subscription service, in which you can watch his videos in... higher quality... =P |
| 14:04.12 | Jamash | wow |
| 14:04.13 | Fisker | ikke den quest robotusch |
| 14:04.17 | robotusch | pft |
| 14:04.23 | robotusch | how was I supposed to know |
| 14:04.29 | olafski | omg I want that wobin |
| 14:04.57 | Fisker | derfor robotusch |
| 14:05.02 | Jamash | can I get a service where he pays me to watch his videos in even lower quality? |
| 14:07.36 | Fisker | i wish |
| 14:08.43 | olafski | it's not like you need higher resolution for these hi-def videos of him |
| 14:09.00 | olafski | wish he'd record a slower version of them though! I can barely keep up |
| 14:09.05 | Jamash | this might catch on, actually |
| 14:09.56 | Jamash | XKCDHD |
| 14:10.24 | Jamash | but that's only the beginning |
| 14:10.43 | Jamash | next he needs to upgrade to zero punctuation IN THREE DEE |
| 14:12.57 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Mathematics#Drawing_a_Penis_on_a_Ti-84 |
| 14:14.32 | Wobin | Shirik, the fact they have to -point out- the 'portion of interest'? |
| 14:15.22 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 14:17.38 | Jamash | if your wang looks like that, you need to see a doctor |
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| 14:25.13 | Wobin | Or perhaps a mathematician |
| 14:30.00 | Adys | what's the modulo operation in lua? |
| 14:30.06 | krka | % |
| 14:30.11 | Adys | oh? |
| 14:30.13 | Adys | weird |
| 14:30.34 | Wobin | as opposed to...? |
| 14:34.37 | Fisker | it's weird, you hear me? |
| 14:34.59 | zenzelezz | is the integer modulo, or is it the same as fmod (or was it modf)? |
| 14:35.24 | olafski | can't attack while snared! |
| 14:45.48 | Ackis | question: does anyone find an addon named "TardWarning" offensive? |
| 14:46.00 | Ackis | s/TardWarning/FiskerWarning/ |
| 14:47.31 | Fisker | damn |
| 14:47.35 | Fisker | Mythbusters is just taking the piss now |
| 14:48.00 | krka | lua> return 3.5 % 2.1 |
| 14:48.00 | lua_bot | krka: 1.4 |
| 14:48.04 | Fisker | conclusively making a statement about people's pain tolerance based on a sample size of 4, and 50 |
| 14:48.05 | Fisker | lol |
| 14:48.07 | Ackis | Fisker: I burnt you |
| 14:48.23 | Fisker | you didn't Ackis |
| 14:48.47 | Ackis | I did |
| 14:56.42 | Lopeppeppy | That's all they've got, Fisker. They never try to say their science is the end all be all, except when they blow things to splinters. |
| 14:58.38 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgpsXURZFo4&feature=player_embedded |
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| 15:19.53 | Cide | krka: isn't that new? |
| 15:20.01 | Cide | like 5.x |
| 15:20.11 | Cide | I don't believe wow initially had it as an operator |
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| 15:32.26 | Fisker | normally not Lopeppeppy but i think they were really pushing it in this episode |
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| 15:38.18 | zenzelezz | I have to agree with Fisker |
| 15:38.42 | zenzelezz | generally they do a decent job, but sometimes they just seem to go "hey, we can't really do an accurate test, but let's make an episode on this anyway" |
| 15:38.47 | Kaso | Cide: modulo was added in 5.1 |
| 15:38.54 | Cide | thought so |
| 15:41.43 | Kaso | 5.1 added all the good stuff :p |
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| 15:43.07 | Kaso | though the boolean type in 5.0 was pretty useful. having a language without a bool is pretty silly (C, im looking at you!) |
| 15:44.37 | Cide | shrug |
| 15:45.13 | Cide | I think STL's venture into boolean-optimized vectors (std::vector<bool>) has proved that it's somewhat unnecessary |
| 15:45.27 | Cide | but the syntax (true/false) is nice, admittedly |
| 15:46.02 | foxlit | (C, im looking at you!) << Lies. |
| 15:46.33 | foxlit | C's non-proper booleans are fine :) |
| 15:48.04 | jnwhiteh | Adium, Limechat, Skype, Tweetdeck, Chrome, HoN, WoW |
| 15:48.10 | jnwhiteh | anything else I've forgot to set up on my new machine? |
| 15:48.20 | Kaso | #define true false |
| 15:48.39 | Cide | jnwhiteh: starcraft 3 |
| 15:48.49 | jnwhiteh | i dont even have an SC2 beta key yet =) |
| 15:49.04 | Cide | well that's too bad! |
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| 15:51.27 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: steam? |
| 15:51.58 | jnwhiteh | steam not released for mac yet. |
| 15:52.09 | jnwhiteh | the machine is nice tho, no fan kicked in and I'm getting 60fps in dalaran on full graphics settings |
| 15:52.14 | jnwhiteh | well, between 25 and 60, depending on whats loaded. |
| 15:52.45 | Kaso | i want steam for linux kplease |
| 15:53.33 | haste | at least they have linux binaries atm |
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| 16:07.25 | jnwhiteh | Anyone have a nice bash prompt they'd like to share? |
| 16:07.52 | durcyn | PS1="\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\]" |
| 16:08.50 | jnwhiteh | thanks =) |
| 16:09.03 | jnwhiteh | it keylogs all my passwords, right? |
| 16:09.04 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 16:09.17 | durcyn | yes, those ansi codes are actually calling /bin/mail |
| 16:09.28 | Fisker | jnwhiteh why don't you beta it? |
| 16:10.18 | durcyn | Fisker: if you're doing any dev on it, then you forgot xcode and fink, for what it's worth |
| 16:10.39 | haste | *zsh!* |
| 16:10.41 | durcyn | er jnwhiteh even |
| 16:10.52 | jnwhiteh | meh |
| 16:10.54 | jnwhiteh | homebrew > fink |
| 16:10.57 | durcyn | you two look alike. |
| 16:10.59 | jnwhiteh | and xcode is already down and updated. |
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| 16:15.12 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/scalpel_experimental_gummi_bea.php |
| 16:15.51 | Fisker | omg durcyn |
| 16:16.30 | Fisker | so jnwhiteh |
| 16:16.33 | Fisker | how is it being me? |
| 16:16.40 | Fisker | not nice right? |
| 16:19.39 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: Google QuickSearch Bar |
| 16:19.45 | jnwhiteh | eew |
| 16:19.47 | jnwhiteh | nothx. |
| 16:19.50 | NightHawkTheSane | it's like quicksilver, but actually in development :P |
| 16:19.55 | NightHawkTheSane | (well kind of) |
| 16:20.24 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: if you've used quicksilver, the google QSB is basically the same thing, by the exact same guy. |
| 16:20.27 | jnwhiteh | I just use spotlight |
| 16:20.47 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, I do too, but qsb is faster for launching apps. |
| 16:20.59 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/1268554471437.jpg |
| 16:21.20 | jnwhiteh | NightHawkTheSane: does it index my computer and shit like that? |
| 16:21.24 | jnwhiteh | cause I'm not a fan of that |
| 16:22.08 | NightHawkTheSane | I imagine it has to, same as quicksilver & spotlight do, but I've never seen a performance hit because of it, if thats what you mean |
| 16:23.52 | jnwhiteh | well I don't like giving GOogle _everything_ |
| 16:23.54 | jnwhiteh | is the main thing. |
| 16:24.50 | NightHawkTheSane | it doesn't |
| 16:25.12 | NightHawkTheSane | http://knol.google.com/k/quick-search-box-faq#Getting_Started_with_Quick_Search_Box |
| 16:25.39 | NightHawkTheSane | The only thing it will ever send to google is usage stats, which you can disable |
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| 16:27.55 | zenzelezz | so the new Steam probed my hardware and his this to say about my monitor: "Primary display size:"26.65" x 16.65" (31.42" diag)". Wonder where it gets those values from (this is a 24" monitor) |
| 16:29.14 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 16:29.15 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 16:29.16 | zenzelezz | also says my Windows 7 was installed "jan 01 1970" |
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| 16:31.14 | zenzelezz | "Installed packages: Firefox, OpenOffice, Windows Firewall"... that's an interestly small selection of what I have installed. Wonder what's special about those to Steam |
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| 16:34.36 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: steam's not telling you what monitor you have, just what monitor you WISH you had. :P |
| 16:34.59 | zenzelezz | if only :) |
| 16:36.52 | kd3 | it probes the edid, which is known to lie? |
| 16:37.12 | zenzelezz | ah, so it is actually the monitor giving those values? |
| 16:37.31 | kd3 | ~wiki EDID |
| 16:37.33 | kd3 | possibly |
| 16:37.45 | jnwhiteh | NightHawkTheSane: I'll give it a try, thanks =) |
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| 16:46.20 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWCE02HrMV4 |
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| 16:51.01 | Fisker | how does it get it wrong then kd3 ;3? |
| 16:51.19 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: cool. :) It's cool if you dont care for it too, I just find it extremely useful, so :) |
| 16:51.35 | jnwhiteh | i dont know what it'll give me over spotlight |
| 16:51.39 | jnwhiteh | but i'm willing to give it a shot =) |
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| 16:54.22 | jnwhiteh | Now to see how well HoN plays on my new machine =) |
| 16:54.27 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:56.50 | KarlKFI|work | HoN isn't really high on the requirements slider |
| 16:57.17 | KarlKFI|work | my rev1 mac pro plays it just fine on max settings |
| 16:57.42 | jnwhiteh | aye, it did make my macbook pro a bit sluggish |
| 16:57.47 | jnwhiteh | the i7 has solved that, however =) |
| 16:57.56 | KarlKFI|work | SC2 is a bit more demanding, but not too much |
| 16:58.00 | jnwhiteh | When I'm waiting for a game to start, etc. |
| 16:58.10 | jnwhiteh | WoW is a much more pleasant experience on this machine. |
| 16:58.15 | KarlKFI|work | i bet |
| 16:58.27 | KarlKFI|work | wow's definitely cpu bound tho |
| 16:58.48 | jnwhiteh | Seems to me that the hard drive plays an immense factor as well |
| 16:59.02 | KarlKFI|work | mmm, for loading new textures, yes |
| 16:59.29 | KarlKFI|work | it doesn't improve fps, but does reduce loading lag |
| 16:59.44 | KarlKFI|work | and staggering |
| 16:59.56 | KarlKFI|work | my SSD definitely helped |
| 17:00.14 | Ackis | if I had a SSD I'd want a billion dollars |
| 17:00.33 | KarlKFI|work | 8gigs of ram also helps |
| 17:00.35 | Ackis | I'd threaten to blow up the world |
| 17:00.51 | zenzelezz | HoN? |
| 17:01.14 | KarlKFI|work | no, WoW. HoN doesn'tneedthat mcuh ram |
| 17:01.27 | zenzelezz | sorry, meant that as in "what's HoN?" |
| 17:01.34 | KarlKFI|work | tho i can play wow and hon at the same time... not recommended tho |
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| 17:02.29 | KarlKFI|work | heh, once i minimized a paused game of SupCom2 and proceeded to playa full game of HoN... didn't even notice it was still running |
| 17:02.51 | KarlKFI|work | good old multi-procs |
| 17:02.57 | amro | KarlKFI|work: try that with SupCom1 |
| 17:03.00 | amro | your computer will explode |
| 17:03.05 | KarlKFI|work | SumCom1 was a hog |
| 17:03.21 | KarlKFI|work | tho really the biggest hog in both games is the AI |
| 17:03.21 | amro | technically it was a multihog |
| 17:03.39 | KarlKFI|work | if you're playing multiplayer w/o AI it's much more playable |
| 17:03.59 | amro | huh, it's the decision making AI that slows it down? |
| 17:04.03 | amro | I always assumed it was pathfinding |
| 17:04.07 | KarlKFI|work | perhaps |
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| 17:04.26 | KarlKFI|work | but it's much slower with 4v4 with 4 compies than with 8 people |
| 17:04.49 | KarlKFI|work | so i don't think it's exclusively unit count |
| 17:04.57 | KarlKFI|work | the pathfinding is pretty dumb anyway |
| 17:05.49 | KarlKFI|work | with AI it slows down as the game progresses, so it may be sheer unit count baloons the AI |
| 17:06.00 | KarlKFI|work | not really sure |
| 17:06.15 | amro | that would make sense if it's checking decisions for each unit every tick |
| 17:06.23 | amro | though really it ought to be smarter than that |
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| 17:07.21 | Cide | pop quiz |
| 17:07.22 | MatthewWW | Hey again folks. |
| 17:07.31 | Cide | what color(s) do you associate with each starcraft race? |
| 17:07.55 | amro | purple, red, blue |
| 17:07.59 | amro | for terran, zerg, protoss |
| 17:08.29 | Cide | other thoughts? |
| 17:09.29 | MatthewWW | grey, orange, yellow |
| 17:09.33 | MatthewWW | Same order |
| 17:09.47 | amro | hey we have so much in common |
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| 17:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | Blue terran, red zerg, purple protoss. |
| 17:10.42 | MatthewWW | So today I'm working on another tutorial system. This time I want the tutorials to gradually lessen as the player does better at the game, and to gradually become more common as the player begins to do worse. Can anyone point me in the right direction like... where I would start reading? |
| 17:11.00 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: heroes of newerth, like DotA, but a full game. |
| 17:11.15 | zenzelezz | ah, that one |
| 17:11.18 | Shadowed | MatthewWW: What are you looking for? |
| 17:11.37 | Shadowed | There isn't exactly much to read on that I can think of, the easiest would be to just do it as literally as you said |
| 17:12.07 | MatthewWW | Yes, I'm just not sure how I would operationalize "better" or "worse" |
| 17:12.19 | MatthewWW | and also how I would supress the tutorial_trigger event. |
| 17:12.28 | Shadowed | Oh, you mean in WoW? |
| 17:12.44 | Shadowed | The easiest would be toggling the CVar manually really |
| 17:13.16 | MatthewWW | Ah, you mean supress it in the menu |
| 17:13.26 | MatthewWW | and then use TutorialTrigger(); appropriately? |
| 17:13.37 | MatthewWW | That doesn't sound like it would work... how would the addon know which ID to trigger? |
| 17:13.38 | Shadowed | something like that, I think it would work but I haven't used the tutorial APIs |
| 17:13.44 | Shadowed | I don't think you can force an ID to trigger |
| 17:14.00 | MatthewWW | well you can trigger them like... TriggerTutorial(4) which is like... quest givers tutorial |
| 17:14.11 | Shadowed | Err wait you're being confusing, back up |
| 17:14.11 | MatthewWW | They auto trigger based on conditions written right into WoW |
| 17:14.14 | MatthewWW | sorry |
| 17:14.29 | Shadowed | You want to make an addon that does "smart" tutorials, meaning you want to suppress the ones Blizzard automatically shows, and handle it yourself based on certain conditions. correct? |
| 17:14.39 | MatthewWW | Alost |
| 17:14.41 | MatthewWW | almost* |
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| 17:15.09 | MatthewWW | I'm making an addon that uses Blizzard's tutorials plus a few custom ones. They come in "smart"ly you might say. IE: they don't show up unless the player is having trouble. |
| 17:15.10 | KarlKFI|work | silver, bronze, gold |
| 17:15.17 | KarlKFI|work | ;) |
| 17:15.42 | Fisker | i came |
| 17:15.50 | Shadowed | In that case, I would unregister the tutorial trigger event that Blizzard uses, so it doesn't display tutorials while the addon is enabled. |
| 17:15.52 | KarlKFI|work | tmi |
| 17:16.03 | Shadowed | Then you want to manually call that function based on certain conditions |
| 17:16.19 | Kaso| | How do you measure if a player is doing badly? |
| 17:16.28 | Shadowed | If you wanted to use TriggerTutorial(4), then you would register the event again and unregister it right after |
| 17:16.47 | Shadowed | Yea that's a hard thing to sort out. |
| 17:16.57 | MatthewWW | Yea the badly thing is interesting |
| 17:17.07 | MatthewWW | I was thinking using OnUpdate() |
| 17:17.16 | Shadowed | For what thought? :P |
| 17:17.18 | MatthewWW | and if the player is still for several onUpdates in a row, giving the moving tutorial |
| 17:17.22 | MatthewWW | for example |
| 17:17.34 | Shadowed | It's mostly going to be a lot of states, at least from what I would think |
| 17:17.41 | MatthewWW | if the player visits the vendor several times without selling/buying anything, triggering the vendor tutorial, etc. |
| 17:17.54 | Thunder_Child | i do that all the time |
| 17:17.58 | Lopeppeppy | that would irritate me very quickly. |
| 17:18.02 | Thunder_Child | at emblem vendors |
| 17:18.04 | Shadowed | For example, lets say a player has a potion in their inventory and they die, if they then get low on health during combat and have a potion again, you could say "Hey, potions do X, Y, Z" |
| 17:18.10 | MatthewWW | This is meant for extremely new players |
| 17:18.21 | MatthewWW | @Shadowed: exactly. |
| 17:18.21 | Lopeppeppy | How do you determine that? |
| 17:18.24 | Shadowed | You have one problem thought, which is extremely new players don't tend to use addons |
| 17:18.34 | Lopeppeppy | If they are *that* new, they don't... know about addons, right. |
| 17:18.34 | Kaso| | i was just typing that :( |
| 17:18.37 | MatthewWW | It's for my Ph.D. Thesis +Lopeppeppy. So I'm doing it in a lab with extremely new players. |
| 17:18.45 | Shadowed | Ahhhh |
| 17:18.48 | MatthewWW | ;) |
| 17:18.54 | Lopeppeppy | Well, if you've got a target audience, play on. |
| 17:18.57 | MatthewWW | Other than that, you're absolutely right. |
| 17:19.06 | zenzelezz | "In fact, I'm told that the C runtime libraries have converted the default C runtime heap to be a low-fragmentation heap starting in Visual Studio 2010." - wonder if that's true |
| 17:19.08 | Shadowed | The main difficulty I see, is it's a hugeeeeeeeeeee pain |
| 17:19.20 | MatthewWW | Well there's 60 tutorials. |
| 17:19.30 | Shadowed | While what you want to do isn't impossible, it'll be a lot of hardcoding cases |
| 17:19.38 | Shadowed | I mean for manually triggering if someone is doing badly |
| 17:19.44 | MatthewWW | I'm not exactly sure what that means, tbh. |
| 17:19.55 | MatthewWW | I'm sort of well not new to coding, but new to WoW coding. |
| 17:20.08 | MatthewWW | So as I'm doing this I'm reading the WoWProgramming book and a nice Lua book |
| 17:20.10 | Shadowed | You won't be able to do your checks for good vs bad play without hardcoding the checks in. As in, you'll need custom code for each case |
| 17:20.15 | Ackis | Warning: Condoms aren't 100% protective. My friend was wearing one and she fell down the stairs! |
| 17:20.26 | MatthewWW | she? |
| 17:20.34 | MatthewWW | I suppose there are female condoms. |
| 17:20.36 | zenzelezz | Ackis: I wear one whenever we raid, and we still wipe sometimes |
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| 17:20.43 | Shadowed | so it'll be a bit of a pain, unless you sort out how you're judging them well |
| 17:21.25 | MatthewWW | @Shadowed: Yea. I figure like standing still or running into walls is a good way to trigger the movement tutorial |
| 17:21.46 | MatthewWW | @Shadowed: dying with potions in your inventory, etc. |
| 17:21.54 | MatthewWW | @Shadowed: having a talent point for a very long time |
| 17:22.01 | MatthewWW | You get the idea |
| 17:22.04 | Shadowed | yea |
| 17:22.36 | Kaso| | What it'd do is build a bunch of helper functions so that you can code together "rules" fairly quickly, sort of like how boss mods work |
| 17:22.37 | MatthewWW | I wrote a mod yesterday with the help of everyone here that supresses the visual tutorials and replaces them with sound files |
| 17:23.20 | MatthewWW | we're doing 4 test groups. One has the default wow tutorials, one has those but with sound. One has the smart visual tutorials, and one has smart sound tutorials. |
| 17:23.34 | zenzelezz | sounds smart |
| 17:23.38 | MatthewWW | ;) |
| 17:24.39 | MatthewWW | If someone wants to volunteer to give me an enormous hand with this one on one, Blizzard gave me a Starcraft Beta Key to hand out. I'm not really trying to bribe people, but it's strongly likely that I don't have the wherwithal to do this entirely myself. |
| 17:24.43 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 17:24.44 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in zenzelezz's direction, hitting zenzelezz and sending zenzelezz flying into the closet |
| 17:25.01 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsjZGHcubHY |
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| 17:25.53 | foxlit | hey, newish youtube player |
| 17:29.07 | Fisker | yay |
| 17:29.09 | Fisker | EU caved in again |
| 17:29.16 | Fisker | can't wait until casinos are allowed as well |
| 17:29.22 | Fisker | giev casino spam in trade <3 |
| 17:29.46 | kd3 | hm? |
| 17:29.52 | kd3 | what'd they cave on this time? |
| 17:30.07 | Fisker | master looter is now gm assisted ninja looting |
| 17:30.27 | kd3 | sigh |
| 17:31.08 | amro | technically it's not ninja looting |
| 17:31.52 | Fisker | neither was "ninjalooting" |
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| 18:08.25 | MatthewWW | @Shadowed: It looks like I'm going to have to write 60 if statements. o_o |
| 18:10.47 | Kaso| | unfortunately lua doesn't have any switch statement |
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| 18:11.28 | MatthewWW | Even if it did I'm not sure that would help in this case. |
| 18:11.41 | MatthewWW | I have to do 60 completely different things to match the 60 different tutorials. |
| 18:11.59 | olafski | I like this thing you're doing :) |
| 18:12.12 | olafski | blizzard gave you a SC2 key just to give away for this research? :o |
| 18:12.17 | MatthewWW | Gave me 5 |
| 18:12.21 | MatthewWW | at GDC |
| 18:12.31 | MatthewWW | I've already used 4 bribing people to do my voice acting |
| 18:12.32 | MatthewWW | lol |
| 18:12.56 | MatthewWW | You'd be surprised how amenable Blizzard is to people studying their game |
| 18:12.59 | MatthewWW | I guess it is free publicity |
| 18:13.41 | olafski | hehe nice :P |
| 18:13.43 | olafski | yeah |
| 18:13.46 | Kaso| | MatthewWW, I mentioned earlier, the way i'd approach it is like raiding bossmods (im not sure if youre much of a raider?) but they usually define frameworks of useful functions and event handlers and stuff that can then be easily thrown together into the various bossmods ( or in your case, tutorial triggers ) |
| 18:13.51 | Thunder_Child | pfft, i have been studying their game for years now |
| 18:14.36 | MatthewWW | Like DeadlyBossMods for example |
| 18:14.53 | MatthewWW | But.. I'm not 100% sure what you mean by frameworks and whatnot. I'm sort of newbish with this stuff. |
| 18:14.54 | MatthewWW | Sadly |
| 18:15.39 | Kaso| | Yes, DBM core is where all the logic is, things for handling arbitrary events that might happen in a boss fight etc. |
| 18:15.58 | Kaso| | then the actual boss mods are relatively simple building upon those |
| 18:16.05 | MatthewWW | Be right back, internet is going crazy |
| 18:16.55 | cogwheel | if you're dealing with constants you can use a table as a switch statement |
| 18:17.03 | Kaso| | it feels like you could work out a few generic cases you might want to use a triggers, say player has item, or player uses or does not use a spell) etc |
| 18:18.01 | cogwheel | the hashing mechanism for table lookup is MUCH faster than a huge string of ifs |
| 18:18.37 | Fisker | i'm studying games too! |
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| 18:19.12 | Matthew_W | Alright, back. |
| 18:19.18 | Matthew_W | I'm trying to do a trillion things at once |
| 18:20.20 | Kaso | i said earlier: it feels like you could work out a few generic cases you might want to use a triggers, say player has item, or player uses or does not use a spell) etc program up generic functions for those then use them in the indivdual turorial triggers |
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| 18:21.07 | Matthew_W | Then like write tables? |
| 18:21.48 | Matthew_W | of the values? like.. itemtable = { [1]="potion", [2]= |
| 18:21.50 | Matthew_W | etc... |
| 18:21.57 | Matthew_W | and test for the tableID? |
| 18:22.37 | mikma | all it requires is some skills baby... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi_0k3hzNS4 |
| 18:24.53 | Adys | http://nerfnow.com/comic/177 |
| 18:25.10 | cogwheel | Matthew_W: i just picked up on the convo where you said you might need to do a ton of ifs, so i'm not *really* sure if it's applicable to your situation |
| 18:26.26 | cogwheel | what value are you trying to "switch" on? |
| 18:26.38 | Kaso | Matthew_W, take a look at the code of DBM bossmods |
| 18:26.57 | Kaso | for example in the lich king: |
| 18:27.04 | Kaso | warnShamblingEnrage = mod:NewTargetAnnounce(72143, 3, nil, mod:IsHealer() or mod:IsTank() or mod:CanRemoveEnrage()) |
| 18:27.22 | Matthew_W | Kaso: So beyond me |
| 18:27.44 | Matthew_W | cogwheel: Actually it's not really helpful to have a switch here. I'm looking to see if the player is failing to do several key things, and triggering the tutorials accordingly |
| 18:27.57 | cogwheel | ah |
| 18:28.00 | Kaso | What is your field? out of interest |
| 18:28.05 | Matthew_W | Cognitive Psychology |
| 18:28.13 | Matthew_W | Though I have an undergrad in compsci |
| 18:28.22 | Matthew_W | It's just.. I only speak Objective C, Java, C#, etc. |
| 18:28.29 | Matthew_W | So I'm really wracking my brain on Lua |
| 18:28.53 | cogwheel | fucking colleges ignoring everithing but OO languages >< |
| 18:29.01 | Matthew_W | true |
| 18:30.52 | olafski | hm I should learn C |
| 18:31.01 | olafski | I'd like to know an OO language that's a bit more low level than Java |
| 18:31.57 | olafski | though I don't see why Lua has to be so difficult if you know those languages already |
| 18:32.10 | cogwheel | more low level doesn't really teach you any different paradigms, it just means your program has to keep track of more things |
| 18:32.19 | olafski | I was kidding cogwheel |
| 18:32.23 | olafski | I don't consider C an OO language :P |
| 18:32.28 | olafski | and I sure as hell don't want to learn it |
| 18:32.38 | cogwheel | you should learn haskell or F# imo ;) |
| 18:32.48 | olafski | I'm going to learn C# I think |
| 18:32.58 | olafski | will know on tuesday :> |
| 18:33.02 | cogwheel | also, those are all strongly-typed, heavily OO langs |
| 18:33.15 | cogwheel | so it doesn't really surprise me that Lua idioms are a bit foreign |
| 18:33.17 | mikma | http://www.riemurasia.net/rasiatube/view.php?id=25893 |
| 18:33.25 | NightHawkTheSane | I dunno, I think C is valuable to learn if only because it is a bit lower level. |
| 18:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | at the least, it really makes you appreciate the things a higher level language does for you ;) |
| 18:33.40 | cogwheel | indeed |
| 18:34.35 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: and, maybe it's the fact that i knew a lot of perl/php prior to learning lua, but even with a strong-OO background, lua never seemed THAT foreign. |
| 18:34.51 | mikma | also, http://www.riemurasia.net/rasiatube/view.php?id=25771 |
| 18:36.23 | cogwheel | it really depends on what kinds of problems you've been exposed to and how much practice you've gotten solving them |
| 18:36.39 | NightHawkTheSane | probably |
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| 18:41.44 | Kaso | Matthew_W, i think the best place to start would be to think up the various trigger cases you might want to show tutorials for and think of how you would detect them in game. Im sure the people around here would be happy to help with plausibility questions on what is detectable. For instance you mentioned earlier about running into walls. I'm not sure if you could tell a playing running into walls from a player who was not mov |
| 18:41.44 | Kaso | ing. |
| 18:42.12 | Matthew_W | Well still for a very long time is still the same thing |
| 18:44.20 | Kaso | But generally, not everything you might want to detect is necessarily feasible to detect |
| 18:44.32 | Ackis | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/dmca-abuse-extends-to-twitter-posts.ars |
| 18:44.33 | cogwheel | sounds like OO might be exactly what you want. each different type of trigger would be an object that monitors some aspect of gameplay. |
| 18:45.24 | Fisker | such is the purpose of copyright trolling Ackis |
| 18:45.28 | Kaso | cogwheel, yeah what i mentioned earlier was BossMods and how they have similar concepts to what he wants to do |
| 18:45.40 | Fisker | should be laws against that |
| 18:46.37 | Matthew_W | urrrhhh... my head |
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| 18:48.38 | olafski | anyone know of a way to remove all tracked objectives from blizzard's tracker? :P |
| 18:48.56 | olafski | it says Objectives (1) on the right side of my screen but the button next to it is greyed out and I have no clue what it's tracking |
| 18:49.25 | Matthew_W | Ok, so I think I'll use the onUpdate function, then run through 60 ifs.. I'm going to have to figure out the onUpdate function |
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| 18:50.34 | olafski | matthew_w: don't some of the ifs have overlap? |
| 18:50.40 | olafski | so you can cut them in half or so :P |
| 18:51.03 | cogwheel | Matthew_W: the problem with that approach is some of the things you want to monitor aren't going to be pollable |
| 18:51.14 | cogwheel | (i assume) |
| 18:51.21 | olafski | yeah that too |
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| 18:51.26 | cogwheel | many game states are only available through events |
| 18:54.56 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:58.27 | Matthew_W | Am I correct that onUpdate calls 60x a second? |
| 18:58.38 | Kaso | it calls on each frame |
| 18:58.44 | Kaso | so whatever your framerate is |
| 18:58.53 | Matthew_W | rrg... there's nothing more specific I guess? |
| 18:58.58 | Matthew_W | That would vary so wildly. |
| 18:59.04 | Kaso | but the first argument to the function is the elapsed argument tells you the time since last time it was callled |
| 19:01.49 | Matthew_W | Is there a way to make it so an addon just calls a massive if tree every 5 seconds or something? |
| 19:01.57 | Matthew_W | I'm looking for a Timer() type function in the API right now |
| 19:02.22 | Kaso | there's nothing in the api but there's plenty of libs, but also its easy to do with onupdate |
| 19:02.28 | Lopeppeppy | Would calling that massive if tree cause a negative effect on game performance? |
| 19:03.08 | Kaso | local time = 0; function OnUpdate(elapsed) time = time+elapsed if time > 5 then time =0; DoStuff(); end end |
| 19:03.16 | Kaso | that'll basically do what you want |
| 19:03.32 | olafski | "lf boost in DM paying 19g for 3 runs" :< |
| 19:03.37 | Kaso | i think elapsed is in seconds not miliseconds >< |
| 19:03.57 | Cide | it is |
| 19:04.10 | Cide | also it's OnUpdate(self, elapsed) |
| 19:04.20 | Kaso | oh yes of course |
| 19:06.01 | Matthew_W | err ok |
| 19:06.04 | Matthew_W | so what should I be typing? |
| 19:06.05 | Matthew_W | o_o |
| 19:07.08 | Cide | local time = 0; local frame = CreateFrame("Frame"); frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self, elapsed) time = time + elapsed; if ( time > 5 ) then time = 0; DoStuff(); end end); |
| 19:07.23 | Cide | and define DoStuff() to do whatever you want |
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| 19:07.51 | Shadowed | Yea Matthew_W, it's a fun project :P |
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| 19:18.08 | Matthew_W | I don't use semi's in this language right? |
| 19:18.20 | Cide | you can |
| 19:18.29 | Cide | do it if you feel like it |
| 19:18.35 | foxlit | They're mostly optional. |
| 19:18.52 | alestane | The semicolon is very nearly a form of whitespace in Lua. |
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| 19:21.05 | Matthew_W | ok I wrote that in.. give me some time and I'll try to figure out the rest |
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| 19:21.47 | cogwheel | where's lunessa? this channel needs moar matthews >< |
| 19:22.05 | cogwheel | ~poke Shirik |
| 19:22.06 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 19:26.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i love linux. |
| 19:26.21 | NightHawkTheSane | kicks a puppy |
| 19:27.30 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, kick yourself instead. |
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| 19:28.43 | Ackis | http://cheezprobablybadnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129165386232210500.jpg |
| 19:28.45 | Ackis | Fisker: ^ |
| 19:29.03 | Ackis | there's an expression of "come home and kick the dog" :P |
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| 19:30.17 | NightHawkTheSane | bah :P |
| 19:30.23 | Cairenn|afk | giggles |
| 19:30.34 | Kraps | Bibi: your offer of Garfield will not sway me |
| 19:31.27 | kd3 | is this the part where we point and laugh at bibi for getting it wrong? |
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| 19:31.51 | Kraps | tar and feather imo |
| 19:32.05 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: don't we point and laugh at him anyway? |
| 19:32.14 | kd3 | sure. but this time it's not just us |
| 19:32.20 | Ackis | what did he get wrong? |
| 19:32.27 | kd3 | "beta starts in april" |
| 19:32.42 | Ackis | ah |
| 19:32.52 | Ackis | that invalidates everything else he's said |
| 19:33.03 | foxlit | imo, he still owes us a video of him running naked around the streets of paris |
| 19:33.11 | Kraps | ^ |
| 19:33.40 | alestane | What are you giggling at now, Cairenn dear? |
| 19:34.03 | Cairenn | kicking NHTS |
| 19:35.02 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 19:37.42 | Fisker | xbox sucks Ackis |
| 19:37.54 | Ackis | this coming from a WoW player? |
| 19:38.13 | Kraps | Shirik |
| 19:47.41 | zenzelezz | "An anonymous reader noticed the news that Symantec has bought PGP and Guardian Edge for $370 million. They plan to standardize their encryption stuff on PGP keys" - soon it'll be Pretty Good (But Bloated) Privacy |
| 19:48.13 | Arrowmaster | people still use PGP? |
| 19:49.45 | Ackis | someone beat bejeweled 2: http://www.bejeweled.com/fan03.php |
| 19:50.49 | foxlit | “the highest score the game is capable of calculating is 4,147,483,647; that’s 2 to the 31st power minus 1" |
| 19:51.03 | foxlit | numbers are hard. |
| 19:51.11 | Ackis | they typoed that |
| 19:51.16 | foxlit | or, even, coherency is hard |
| 19:51.18 | Ackis | they have it correct everywhere else |
| 19:51.36 | Kraps | why the hell do we test fonts with ""There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."" |
| 19:51.56 | foxlit | has all the letters, Kraps? |
| 19:52.22 | Kraps | cant it be something less... pain-y? |
| 19:52.39 | foxlit | sure |
| 19:52.48 | foxlit | Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz |
| 19:53.34 | foxlit | the quick brown fox... |
| 19:54.31 | zenzelezz | "Palm has a lot of talented employees, a lot of IP, and a lot of faithful users." - "HP has 15.0.0.0/8 and 16.0.0.0/8 so I don't think they need any more IP!" |
| 19:55.17 | alestane | The search for the perfect pangram continues. |
| 19:55.31 | durcyn | I'm convinced HP bought palm specifically for the quality of their advertising. |
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| 20:03.50 | Kraps | http://tv.gawker.com/5526868/jon-stewart-slams-apple-over-its-handling-of-gizmodo-case |
| 20:03.59 | Matthew_W | Fast question: is there a way to make it so the tutorials don't show in TutorialFrame unless I specifically tell them to? |
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| 20:05.43 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: the ability to own their own mobile OS probably paid a big part |
| 20:05.46 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:05.53 | Ackis | Fisker |
| 20:06.11 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane: your ability to decipher comedy will soon lead to your acquisition by HP, I predict. |
| 20:06.25 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: probably :) |
| 20:09.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Kraps: huh, disagreeing with jon stewart is a strange and foreign feeling. |
| 20:09.41 | Kraps | heh |
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| 20:11.07 | NightHawkTheSane | fortunately, as noted several times, he's not actual news, so i dont think he's a moron for it. |
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| 20:14.35 | zenzelezz | I never liked Jon Stewart |
| 20:15.50 | NightHawkTheSane | . |
| 20:16.19 | NightHawkTheSane | woops.. |
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| 20:21.28 | tem | zenzelezz, I don't always agree with his political position, but I can't argue with his skill as a comedian |
| 20:21.36 | tem | also, fuck apple |
| 20:22.49 | foxlit | He has a political position? |
| 20:23.23 | zenzelezz | tem: it's the opposite for me. I tend to agree with him often, but I don't like his style of comedy |
| 20:23.29 | alestane | Stewart's political position has primarily seemed to be "politicians are funny." |
| 20:24.42 | zenzelezz | think it's just too American for me... repetitive, loud |
| 20:25.08 | tem | wow it only took you two lines to look down on america |
| 20:25.11 | tem | impressive |
| 20:25.16 | tem | even for a european |
| 20:25.30 | tem | returns to getting nowhere on his paper |
| 20:25.48 | alestane | I think I just got a phishing spam phone call. |
| 20:26.36 | zenzelezz | tem: I find it amusing that you took that as me dissing the US |
| 20:27.02 | Ackis | I look down on america without reading two lines |
| 20:27.14 | tem | "I don't like it because it's too american" -> "I don't like american things" -> ... |
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| 20:27.20 | alestane | The call purported to be from a bank with whom I don't have an account, an automated voice stating that due to suspicions of recent fraud activity my ATM card had been suspended, and that I should press 1 to be connected to security and reactivate my account. |
| 20:27.25 | zenzelezz | stop reading into it like that then tem |
| 20:27.27 | Kraps | Ackis Ackis |
| 20:27.33 | tem | D: |
| 20:27.48 | tem | but then I don't get to look down on europe's looking down on me |
| 20:27.53 | tem | and that's no fun |
| 20:28.02 | zenzelezz | I was dissing what to me (and other Norwegians I know) appears to be the most common American comedian style; not the US itself |
| 20:29.06 | Kraps | oh yeah? well Norwegians are poop! |
| 20:29.15 | zenzelezz | that being said, we have far too many poor comedians in Norway too |
| 20:29.49 | Matthew_W | A fast question: Could I have the TriggerTutorial() function trigger a tutorial in a custom global frame |
| 20:29.56 | Matthew_W | Instead of in the Protected TutorialFrame provided by WoW? |
| 20:29.58 | olafski | I like jon stewart :( |
| 20:30.06 | Matthew_W | This way I could turn the tutorials off, but still trigger them via my addon? |
| 20:31.08 | zenzelezz | many people like Jon Stewart, and they're welcome to. I don't expect people to agree with me :-p |
| 20:31.24 | Arrowmaster | Matthew_W: i would have to look at how the tutorial frames work but you should be able to do it by using the same method the default frames use for figuring out when and what to display |
| 20:31.41 | Kraps | zenzelezz: you're wrong and should die |
| 20:32.04 | Matthew_W | Arrowmaster: Sorry, I didn't really understand that X_X .. my fault |
| 20:32.24 | alestane | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/us/28abortion.html?emc=eta1 |
| 20:32.36 | olafski | zenzelezz: it definitely beats watching the normal news for me ;p |
| 20:32.56 | Arrowmaster | Matthew_W: im not sure but i cant think of any reasons off the top of my head without looking in detail why it wouldnt be possible |
| 20:33.14 | Matthew_W | Any idea how I might do it? lol |
| 20:33.27 | alestane | Lovely. Oklahoman legislature is so dead set against abortion that if you discover your doctor there has concealed your unbord baby's birth defects from you, so as not to give you icentive to terminate the preganacy, you are *not alllowed* to sue him for this. |
| 20:33.36 | alestane | sp* |
| 20:34.19 | alestane | And they're calling it a great day for the sanctity of life. |
| 20:34.57 | olafski | did they actually bash in the guy's door? can't they just ring the bell? :S |
| 20:35.25 | foxlit | he wasn't home. Or something. |
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| 20:36.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i love it when all of my tasks are currently blocked.. >< |
| 20:36.09 | NightHawkTheSane | (by other people) |
| 20:36.39 | Kraps | blockes NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:37.44 | olafski | foxlit: that video says he was at dinner.. I assumed that was inside his home =( |
| 20:38.39 | olafski | and wasn't it apple where if you were working on new stuff you had to have it covered in a black sheet and blind the windows and shit? :< |
| 20:39.08 | Matthew_W | Yes apple is the disney of software providers |
| 20:39.37 | olafski | not sure what you mean with that :P |
| 20:40.25 | olafski | oh well, back to guitar hero +) |
| 20:41.04 | Kraps | lol bibi http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24630543147/ever-had-a-day-where-you-were-just-off/ |
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| 20:44.03 | Cidwel | 'sup |
| 20:44.26 | Fisker | æø.l+åp´ |
| 20:44.43 | Ackis | Kraps: how is that directed at Bibi? |
| 20:45.33 | Kraps | Ackis: palehoof is in blue |
| 20:46.05 | Ackis | and? |
| 20:46.18 | olafski | he's green on the wow forum |
| 20:46.26 | Ackis | ah so he got a job w/ blizz then |
| 20:46.36 | olafski | mvps are people who work for blizzard? |
| 20:46.43 | olafski | I thought they were just "good community members" |
| 20:46.51 | Ackis | which still brings me back to the point of how does this affect Bibi? |
| 20:46.56 | Cidwel | aren't they only people that contributes in the official forum? |
| 20:47.06 | alestane | Gonna say, I thought Palehoof was an MVP, not a CM. |
| 20:47.07 | olafski | I think the point was that the blue finder gave palehoof the wrong color? |
| 20:47.12 | Ackis | cogwheel was green, peppy is/was green, etc |
| 20:47.21 | Ackis | ah |
| 20:47.22 | tem | alestane, because he is green |
| 20:47.26 | tem | also |
| 20:47.28 | Ackis | i'm confused |
| 20:47.31 | Ackis | wow drama sucks |
| 20:47.32 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.35 | olafski | nothing new ackis! |
| 20:47.37 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24630543147&sid=1 |
| 20:47.37 | Ackis | I'm going back to looking down on americans |
| 20:47.40 | tem | how long has green been a protodrake? |
| 20:47.43 | tem | that's new, right? |
| 20:47.49 | olafski | ackis: looking *south* you mean? |
| 20:47.52 | Fisker | i hate lady deathwhisper |
| 20:48.01 | Kraps | tem: not that new but yeah |
| 20:48.04 | tem | Fisker, call her lady gaga and the fight gets more interesting |
| 20:48.07 | Matthew_W | Here's the full thing with pseudocode |
| 20:48.08 | Matthew_W | http://www.pastey.net/135879 |
| 20:48.58 | tem | also, blood queen latifa is a fun fight |
| 20:49.48 | Kraps | is she black? |
| 20:50.40 | Matthew_W | Thoughts on any of that? |
| 20:51.49 | Gnarfoz | <olafski> ackis: looking *south* you mean? <-- he probably meant "down". ^^ |
| 20:52.18 | sylvanaar | Matthew_W: nice comments |
| 20:52.26 | Matthew_W | sylvanaar: lol. |
| 20:52.42 | Matthew_W | I'm going to have to start coding all of that very soon. I'm trying to figure out a good 'method of attack' |
| 20:52.58 | Kraps | sends Ackis some more drama |
| 20:53.02 | olafski | gnarfoz: >_< |
| 20:53.10 | sylvanaar | suggests being agile |
| 20:53.41 | Ackis | drama llmama!!! |
| 20:54.15 | sylvanaar | write a small bit of code that does something, make it work, then step back and review |
| 20:54.27 | Matthew_W | Agree. |
| 20:54.35 | Matthew_W | Current mission is to get the tutorials to not come up the way they normally would |
| 20:54.53 | Matthew_W | And not get flagged when they would normally flag. |
| 20:55.10 | Matthew_W | I guess I could unflag them all every 5 seconds with ResetTutorials() in the OnUpdate. |
| 20:57.19 | Kraps | thoughts? http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/cataclysm-badge-and-pvp-point-changes-update |
| 20:58.06 | Matthew_W | I've so far figured out to supress the tutorials with TutorialFrame:UnregisterEvent("TUTORIAL_TRIGGER"). Though they still make that noise. The downside is now I can't get them to appear -anywhere-. Roar. |
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| 21:00.00 | foxlit | There's now a graveyard right outside the stranglethorn arena <3 |
| 21:01.13 | Ackis | wow http://blogs.howstuffworks.com/2010/04/27/what-happens-to-water-if-its-not-allowed-to-expand-when-frozen/ |
| 21:01.25 | Ackis | I knew water expanded, I didn't know it could blow up a metal pipe |
| 21:01.32 | sylvanaar | sure |
| 21:01.37 | sylvanaar | pipes bust in the winter |
| 21:01.45 | Matthew_W | What he said |
| 21:01.58 | Kaso | Triple points are far more interesting than some breaking pipes ;p |
| 21:02.20 | Ackis | sylvanaar: that link shows a video of it happening |
| 21:02.37 | Ackis | I wonder how much force it exerts |
| 21:03.34 | Matthew_W | if I wanted to make a table of bools, all false... is there a short way to do that? |
| 21:03.55 | Matthew_W | like... local tipsTable = {[1] = false, [2] = false, [3] = false} |
| 21:03.57 | Matthew_W | Anything faster? |
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| 21:04.25 | Kaso | tipstable = {false, false, false} |
| 21:04.28 | Kaso | or use a loop ;p |
| 21:04.42 | Kaso | for i=1,99 do t[i] = false; end |
| 21:04.55 | Matthew_W | <3 |
| 21:05.34 | Matthew_W | You just turned 60 lines of code into 1 |
| 21:07.18 | Ackis | but there's a rule of thumb: all tables must be named butt so you can then do a wipe(butt) |
| 21:07.20 | Ackis | and giggle |
| 21:08.00 | DWSR | .. Ackis |
| 21:08.08 | Gagorian | ..... |
| 21:08.17 | Kaso | in php i like $bomb |
| 21:08.24 | Kaso | so you can explode($bomb); |
| 21:08.37 | DWSR | wait wait wait. |
| 21:09.32 | Kraps | wow, even code has terrible puns |
| 21:10.17 | DWSR | Isn't any key that's not explicitly defined in a table automatically false, anyway? |
| 21:10.36 | Kaso | its nil |
| 21:10.48 | Kaso | which for most purposes will do |
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| 21:11.15 | DWSR | Sorry, used to PHP's nil == false. |
| 21:11.58 | Kaso | well nil evaluates to false but is not equal to false |
| 21:12.19 | Kaso | also an empty table #t would be 0 but in Matthew_W's would be 60 or whatever |
| 21:12.23 | Kaso | so there is some differences |
| 21:12.35 | DWSR | yeah, anyway. |
| 21:12.40 | Kaso | saying that its prob not really nessasary to initalize it to false for what hes doing |
| 21:12.45 | DWSR | Matthew_W: Some food for thought. |
| 21:13.42 | Matthew_W | Oh. |
| 21:13.46 | Matthew_W | x.x |
| 21:13.54 | Gagorian | for k in pairs(table) do table[k] = false end |
| 21:14.16 | Matthew_W | My brain |
| 21:14.30 | Kaso | doesnt really help if the table is empty to begin with Gagorian |
| 21:14.48 | Gagorian | What's the point then? |
| 21:14.57 | Gagorian | obviously depending on what he's going to do |
| 21:15.31 | Matthew_W | I'm trying to make a smart tutorial system. |
| 21:15.46 | Matthew_W | So right now I'm trying to make a supplementary "flag" in table form booleans |
| 21:15.53 | Matthew_W | That replaces the "IsFlagged" native tutorial flag |
| 21:16.01 | Gagorian | Well only how you implement the code is relevant |
| 21:19.45 | Gagorian | You don't necessarily need to use false though. Without looking at your code you could probably just leave the table entries nil |
| 21:19.59 | Gagorian | Just check if they're set or not |
| 21:20.17 | Matthew_W | Well Gagorian |
| 21:20.19 | Matthew_W | sec |
| 21:20.40 | Matthew_W | This is the horrible mess I'm working on |
| 21:20.42 | Matthew_W | http://www.pastey.net/135880 |
| 21:20.53 | Matthew_W | If you want to contribute massively, there's a sc2 beta key in it for someone lol |
| 21:21.42 | Gagorian | if not t[1] then |
| 21:21.53 | Gagorian | then you don't need to set them as false at all |
| 21:22.01 | Matthew_W | k |
| 21:22.07 | Matthew_W | how do I set them true then? |
| 21:22.15 | Gagorian | t[1] = true |
| 21:22.25 | Matthew_W | So I don't even need the line at the beginning or |
| 21:22.29 | Matthew_W | initializing the table? |
| 21:22.55 | Gagorian | You only need local t = {} |
| 21:23.00 | Matthew_W | k |
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| 21:24.52 | Matthew_W | Any input on the rest of that massive pile of horse dookey? |
| 21:25.52 | Kraps | GRRR getting focused |
| 21:26.17 | Gagorian | Well you don't have much code there, so not much to comment on |
| 21:26.21 | Matthew_W | heh |
| 21:26.51 | Gagorian | Variables and functions should be local unless they need to be global |
| 21:27.18 | Matthew_W | The one at the top needs to be global but the rest can be local I spose |
| 21:29.03 | Matthew_W | While we're talking, I don't suppose you know of a way I could supress the WoW Tutorials and show them only when I trigger them, do you? |
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| 21:33.17 | Dashkal | Matthew_W: Did the trick of unregestering the event from the tutorial frame mentioned yesterday not work? |
| 21:33.31 | Gagorian | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/FlagTutorial |
| 21:33.40 | Gagorian | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/ClearTutorials |
| 21:33.45 | Gagorian | no clue what they actually do |
| 21:33.54 | Gagorian | But seems like they might be related |
| 21:35.06 | Gagorian | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/cvars flaggedTutorials |
| 21:35.26 | Matthew_W | Dashkal; It did, but they still get flaggede |
| 21:35.36 | Matthew_W | Dashkal; that's not a problem |
| 21:35.45 | Matthew_W | Dashkal; except that when I trigger them manually, they go nowhere |
| 21:37.45 | Matthew_W | The puzzle I need is: |
| 21:38.05 | Matthew_W | They do not trigger automatically (ie: unregister them from TutorialFrame, or ClearTutorials()) but they DO register when I manually Trigger them. |
| 21:39.58 | Dashkal | Matthew_W: Did you register the event on a frame of your own so you get the notifications instead? |
| 21:40.20 | Dashkal | Or are you trying to trigger the normal beheviour anyway manually? |
| 21:40.27 | Matthew_W | Er |
| 21:40.33 | Matthew_W | Well I'm trying to trigger the regular tutorials |
| 21:40.37 | Matthew_W | Just.. not when they would normally triggter |
| 21:40.38 | Matthew_W | trigger* |
| 21:40.50 | Dashkal | Call the dispatch function directly on the tutorial frame |
| 21:41.02 | Matthew_W | I'll look that up |
| 21:41.19 | Dashkal | I forget the function offhand, but it would be exactly the function you need to catch the event on yours. |
| 21:41.24 | Matthew_W | also why didn't this work to make a table full of 0's |
| 21:41.30 | Matthew_W | for i=1,60 do tFail[i] = 0; end |
| 21:42.46 | Matthew_W | ok, fixed that one |
| 21:42.50 | Matthew_W | Now to find the Dispatch function |
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| 21:45.36 | Matthew_W | Are you sure it's called Dispatch? I can't seem to find that in wowprogramming.com or wowwiki |
| 21:45.42 | Dashkal | Matthew_W: OnEvent |
| 21:45.52 | Matthew_W | Oh. |
| 21:45.56 | Matthew_W | *facepalm* |
| 21:46.00 | Matthew_W | I'm slow sometimes. |
| 21:46.02 | jnwhiteh | !api OnEvent |
| 21:46.02 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'OnEvent'. |
| 21:46.07 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts |
| 21:46.21 | Dashkal | That would be where I found it :P |
| 21:47.15 | Dashkal | hmm, red flag coming to mind. Would manually invoking the tutorial event on that frame taint anything important? |
| 21:47.25 | Matthew_W | ? |
| 21:47.30 | jnwhiteh | it's possible |
| 21:47.44 | Matthew_W | Not sure what you mean |
| 21:48.12 | Matthew_W | I'm trying to avoid the other solution I have. |
| 21:48.12 | Dashkal | Matthew_W: Question wasn't directed at you. Taint is a concept specific to wow's lua. To groosly simplify, it's an anti-cheating mechanism. |
| 21:48.20 | Matthew_W | Ah |
| 21:48.40 | Dashkal | In short, anything tainted cannot do some wow actions (move, cast spells, etc) |
| 21:48.41 | Matthew_W | The other solution I can think of is MAKING 60 XML files that look just like the existing wow tutorials and pop those up |
| 21:48.57 | Matthew_W | That's what i'm trying to avoid. |
| 21:49.06 | Dashkal | Or make one and just insert the text you like |
| 21:49.25 | Matthew_W | The problem is they also have images and highlighting and onscreen glow and all kinds of other things |
| 21:49.39 | Dashkal | Make one using the existing one from framexml as a base. |
| 21:49.54 | Dashkal | The specifics of that are beyond me, but it's doable for a frame that's pure information like that one. |
| 21:50.08 | Matthew_W | Right. I think there must be an easier way simply using TriggerTutorial() |
| 21:50.21 | Dashkal | But try triggering the event manually first. |
| 21:50.38 | Matthew_W | You mean opening WoWLua and just running TriggerTutorial(10)? it works |
| 21:50.44 | Dashkal | If you run into taint issues, you'll know by the "Interface action blocked due to an addon" message that comes up when bad things get tainted. |
| 21:52.21 | Dashkal | I see three possible implementations here: Make a function myaddon_TriggerTutorial(num) that re-registers the event on the tutorial frame, calls TriggerTutorial(), then unregisters it again. (2), Just call TutorialFrame::OnEvent manually after figuring out what parameters to pass. (3), Make your own tutorial frame and use that instead (make ONE frame and set the text based on the tutorial in question). |
| 21:52.45 | Dashkal | There are probably other ways, but those are the first to come to my mind. |
| 21:53.09 | Matthew_W | Wow your first one would work perfectly |
| 21:54.00 | Dashkal | If going with (1), be sure to _unregister_ your own handler if necessary (if, for example, that would cause an infinite loop) |
| 21:54.15 | Matthew_W | Sorry, can you clarify? |
| 21:54.19 | Matthew_W | I'm a bit daft |
| 21:54.53 | Dashkal | Calling TriggerTutorial() will fire the event. If you're listening for that event, you may or may not want to get that event when triggering manually for the real frame. |
| 21:55.15 | Thunder_Child | is there an arena point cap? |
| 21:55.29 | foxlit | likely |
| 21:55.34 | Dashkal | Be sure of what you want. If you don't want the event under those circumstances, unregister your frame in myaddon_TriggerTutorial() when you re-register the real frame. |
| 21:55.51 | Matthew_W | I'm just going to use the real frame if I'm using this event. |
| 21:55.54 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: 10000 points |
| 21:56.01 | Matthew_W | That way when wow natively calls the tutorials, they won't show up. |
| 21:56.17 | Matthew_W | Now if there were just a way to supress the stupid sound file that gets played when a tutorial is triggered if it's unregistered |
| 21:56.18 | Dashkal | Then you won't have to worry about that. But I was under the impression that you were trapping that event to play tutorialsounds? |
| 21:56.22 | Thunder_Child | ty foxlit |
| 21:56.29 | Matthew_W | Dashkal: four separate addons |
| 21:56.40 | Matthew_W | Besides if you think about it |
| 21:56.46 | Dashkal | Matthew_W: When you call manually, do you want the sound to play? |
| 21:56.53 | Matthew_W | Yep |
| 21:56.57 | Matthew_W | The little "ching" |
| 21:56.59 | Dashkal | Then you're eset |
| 21:57.02 | Matthew_W | But not when it's unregistered |
| 21:57.08 | Matthew_W | oh? |
| 21:58.16 | Dashkal | hmm, stepping back. When a tutorial would normally fire, what do you want to have happen? |
| 21:58.32 | Matthew_W | When a tutorial normally fires, I want it to not appear (easy, unregister it), and also not play the sound |
| 21:58.46 | Matthew_W | When a tutorial fires when I want it to, I want it to appear (register it) and also play the sound |
| 21:58.56 | Dashkal | So be sure that no frames are listening for that event under normal circumstances |
| 22:00.46 | Dashkal | Use your special TriggerTutorial() function when you want to manually trigger one, and you should be set. |
| 22:00.53 | Matthew_W | When I unregister it from tutorial frame, it doesn't show up, but the tutorial still makes the sound for some reason |
| 22:01.30 | Dashkal | Something else is probably responsible for that sound. I couldn't tell you offhand what. |
| 22:01.57 | Matthew_W | hm. |
| 22:02.06 | Dashkal | Anybody know how to enumerate what frames are listening for a given event? |
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| 22:03.51 | Matthew_W | Actually it seems like that's working okay as is with your function implementation |
| 22:04.14 | Shadowed | You can't Dashkal |
| 22:04.31 | Matthew_W | If you look here Dashkal http://www.pastey.net/135882 you can see how I'm trying to program the logic with your implementation |
| 22:05.02 | Shadowed | Matthew_W: It's probably done internally |
| 22:05.10 | Shadowed | but let's see |
| 22:05.12 | Dashkal | ouch, I was afraid of that |
| 22:05.12 | Kraps | time to pick up a loaner mount! |
| 22:05.35 | Matthew_W | @Shadowed actually I think it's working ok. Unregistering it seems to have muted the sound unless it's directly called |
| 22:05.37 | Matthew_W | Much to my joy |
| 22:06.21 | Dashkal | Ahh, so it was the frame triggering the sound. Good. (You might want to look at the code for the frame at some point if you're curious as to how it works. It's all in the framexml) |
| 22:06.31 | Shadowed | I didn't see any sound calls beyond the standard ones |
| 22:06.35 | Dashkal | And yes, that's the function I was describing |
| 22:07.30 | Dashkal | Matthew_W: *wince* please, _please_ indent your code. That's hard to read. |
| 22:07.57 | Matthew_W | I started to down below lol |
| 22:08.05 | Matthew_W | I leave all of the comments flush to the left |
| 22:16.26 | NightHawkTheSane | vaguely amusing: http://gawker.com/5526107/your-guide-to-the-arizona-boycott-porn-sky-mall-and-pf-changs?skyline=true&s=i |
| 22:18.09 | Matthew_W | Anyone know of a function that returns if the player is attacking something or not? |
| 22:18.45 | zenzelezz | "Business: ClubJenna, Inc. Suggested replacement: Perfume ads in Vanity Fair." - cause there's no other porn on the net |
| 22:20.22 | Shirik | Ok |
| 22:20.25 | Shirik | I really don't understand my students |
| 22:20.45 | Shirik | In Q1 they describe that a capacitor is two plates separated by a dielectric |
| 22:20.57 | Shirik | in Q2 they tell me a very large resistor cannot store energy like a capacitor |
| 22:21.26 | Shirik | all I ask is a little bit of thought |
| 22:23.05 | zenzelezz | sounds like they have a large capacity for resisting learning |
| 22:23.28 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:23.35 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 22:23.51 | Matthew_W | there seems to be a function to return whether the player is doing everything but attacking |
| 22:24.28 | zenzelezz | Matthew_W: if he's literally attacking, or if he's in combat? |
| 22:24.44 | Matthew_W | in combat is fine |
| 22:24.48 | Matthew_W | UnitAffectingCombat() |
| 22:24.49 | Matthew_W | But |
| 22:25.01 | Matthew_W | I basically want to find out if the player is being attacked and not attacking back |
| 22:25.25 | Matthew_W | if UnitAffectingCombat("Player") == 1 && XXX() == 1 then foo end |
| 22:30.46 | Matthew_W | A local varible goes away at the next 'end' right? |
| 22:31.46 | jnwhiteh | What am I missing? |
| 22:31.46 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/89e17e700c88850f2023f2b5d0d4a086.jpeg |
| 22:33.03 | jnwhiteh | [Ammo]: I updated AddonLoader's toc and repackaged it, just FYI |
| 22:34.58 | zenzelezz | I don't know, what are you missing? |
| 22:35.41 | Fisker | Adys |
| 22:35.56 | Fisker | got the contents of the swearfilter thingy when you create characters online somewhere? |
| 22:38.05 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: a nice pint of beer. |
| 22:39.00 | sylvanaar | transparent chatframes make me cry |
| 22:39.09 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 22:39.43 | Matthew_W | Lua syntax question: Suppose a functionr returns multiple data... like... GetQuestLogTitle(questIndex) .. how do I get the one I want out of there? |
| 22:40.04 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: you never answered me if you received the tomtom error I sent you :( |
| 22:40.19 | Matthew_W | The API suggests local questLogTitleText, level, questTag, suggestedGroup, isHeader, isCollapsed, isComplete, isDaily, questID=GetQuestLogTitle(questIndex) |
| 22:40.22 | Matthew_W | I just want the isComplete |
| 22:41.22 | sylvanaar | so just use isComplete |
| 22:41.59 | sylvanaar | you can name the other variables '_' if you want |
| 22:43.43 | Shirik | State the damping factors for under-damped, critically-damped, and over-damped RLC circuits |
| 22:43.59 | Shirik | A: z < 1: Underdamped. z > 1: Overdamped. z = 0: Critically damped. |
| 22:44.07 | Matthew_W | sylvanaar like... local _,_,_,_,_,s,_,_,_ = GetQuestLogTitle(1); |
| 22:44.09 | Shirik | Do I take off extra points for not realizing that z < 1? |
| 22:44.11 | Shirik | er |
| 22:44.13 | Shirik | 0 < 1 |
| 22:44.14 | sylvanaar | Maldivia: yeah |
| 22:44.20 | sylvanaar | er |
| 22:44.24 | sylvanaar | Matthew_W: yeah |
| 22:44.26 | Matthew_W | k |
| 22:45.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you mean in addition to getting the question wrong? no.. |
| 22:46.16 | Shirik | I think it's scary how many people try to learn facts instead of thinking about the question |
| 22:46.25 | Shirik | you can't do much with facts if you can't apply them |
| 22:46.36 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (spode@213-21-77-27.bon.t3.se) |
| 22:46.42 | Cide | Shirik: you mean that it should have said 0 < z < 1? |
| 22:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, you can state them in a superior-sounding tone of voice, which is all that really matters. |
| 22:46.47 | Shirik | no |
| 22:46.52 | Shirik | It should be z=1 |
| 22:46.53 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | my uptime :( |
| 22:47.05 | Cide | well isn't that just getting the question wrong |
| 22:47.05 | Cidwel | crazy, If you create a frame assigned to a securehandlerclicktemplate, in what cases SetFrameRef could throw an error (a nil value) ? If I make the frame using lua seems to work well. If I make the frame in xml, it doesn't work :s |
| 22:47.09 | Cide | I mean |
| 22:47.16 | Cide | it's a well known fact of life that people are stupid |
| 22:47.18 | Shirik | But the other two answers were correct |
| 22:47.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: yeah, basically |
| 22:47.22 | Shirik | how can you mess up the third? |
| 22:47.25 | Cide | lol |
| 22:47.27 | Cide | good question |
| 22:47.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: it could be an honest mistake, if he was just writing it down fast and messed up |
| 22:47.51 | Shirik | I still think my best answer from this semester is |
| 22:47.57 | Shirik | Q: What is clipping and when does it occur? |
| 22:48.13 | Cide | what is this i dont eve |
| 22:48.33 | Shirik | wait I need to find it |
| 22:48.40 | Cide | s/what/A: what/ |
| 22:50.04 | Shirik | A: Clipping is what you do to your fingernails and toes. It occurs when your nails are too long. |
| 22:51.22 | foxlit | wru, Patch 11? |
| 22:51.41 | Thunder_Child | 3.3.5? |
| 22:51.45 | foxlit | 11. |
| 22:51.51 | Thunder_Child | 3.3.5? |
| 22:52.01 | NightHawkTheSane | 11! |
| 22:52.05 | Thunder_Child | 3.3.5? |
| 22:52.30 | foxlit | 11. |
| 22:52.34 | Thunder_Child | 3.3.5? |
| 22:52.53 | foxlit | smacks Thunder_Child for violating 3RR. |
| 22:53.12 | Shirik | ! |
| 22:53.13 | NightHawkTheSane | 3RR? |
| 22:53.15 | Shirik | 3RR |
| 22:53.18 | Shirik | 3 revert rule |
| 22:53.36 | Shirik | ~wiki WP:3RR |
| 22:53.43 | foxlit | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/3RR |
| 22:53.52 | Cide | wow |
| 22:54.03 | Cide | your whole being circles around wp's rules Shirik |
| 22:54.05 | Cide | fail |
| 22:54.10 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:54.12 | foxlit | "3RR (short for "Three Revert Rule", and pronounced "Threerer") is a policy on Wikipedia designed to put a stop to edit wars. The policy is: |
| 22:54.17 | foxlit | When two or more parties are involved in an edit war, the first to revert to their version three times wins. This is especially true if there was a reference to Nazism or Hitler in the edit summary (cf. Godwin)." |
| 22:54.20 | Thunder_Child | except foxlit brought it up, not Shirik |
| 22:54.43 | NightHawkTheSane | googled for that and found it like a minute ago... |
| 22:54.45 | NightHawkTheSane | but thanks |
| 22:55.09 | Shirik | I am amused at uncyclopedia's version of it |
| 22:55.13 | Cidwel | anyone knows where I can get some info about SetFrameRef()? |
| 22:55.23 | Cide | ~api SetFrameRef |
| 22:55.24 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetFrameRef |
| 22:55.24 | Thunder_Child | the web |
| 22:55.46 | Cidwel | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetFrameRef |
| 22:55.48 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/RestrictedEnvironment |
| 22:55.52 | Cidwel | obviously I tried that >_< |
| 22:56.38 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/SecureHandlers |
| 22:56.38 | Thunder_Child | try ! |
| 22:56.56 | Cidwel | but there's only a simple reference of that, I mean, I don't know if I can setframeref more than one frame |
| 22:57.36 | Cidwel | I want a button to simply hide some panels and show other ones, I think I have to setframeref every panel I need to hide/show in combat lockdown |
| 22:58.08 | Cide | This strategy is simple. Rather than having one person make three reverts, three people make one revert. With well-timed coordination, a "war" can be won in a matter of one second. This practice was banned in 2005, as it provided an unfair advantage for the estimated twelve Wikipedians who have friends. |
| 22:58.12 | Cide | do you fall in this category Shirik? |
| 22:58.27 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:58.35 | Shirik | sure |
| 23:02.11 | Matthew_W | Anyone know a quick way to test if a player is carrying an unequipped bag in one of his other bags? |
| 23:02.21 | Thunder_Child | ask? |
| 23:02.29 | Matthew_W | lol |
| 23:05.08 | Matthew_W | No actual idea? |
| 23:05.14 | Adys | Fisker: sure |
| 23:05.54 | Adys | Fisker: theres names reserved and names profanity |
| 23:06.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: wait, did you accuse Shirik of having friends? |
| 23:06.27 | Adys | Fisker: which one(s) you want? |
| 23:06.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Matthew_W: scan their inventory |
| 23:08.39 | Matthew_W | NightHawkTheSane - this is what I'm figuring out how to do |
| 23:08.55 | Matthew_W | Also, is "and" in Lua done like m == 2 && p == 3 |
| 23:09.02 | Matthew_W | Or... m == 2 and p == 3 |
| 23:09.10 | NightHawkTheSane | 'and' |
| 23:09.14 | Matthew_W | Thanks |
| 23:09.42 | NightHawkTheSane | the lua manual and PIL should be able to answer most of your basic questions like that. |
| 23:09.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pil |
| 23:09.48 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 23:10.09 | Matthew_W | Yes I have the book here, I suppose I should RTFM before I ask those kind of questions |
| 23:10.18 | NightHawkTheSane | probably :) |
| 23:12.35 | Matthew_W | Can someone take a look at this to see if I'm at least moving in the right direction? http://pastey.net/135887 I think you guys have really helped me along :) |
| 23:19.06 | Fisker | oh Adys |
| 23:19.07 | WobWork | http://www.thatvideosite.com/video/camera_shutter_speed_synchronized_with_helicopter_blade_frequency |
| 23:19.08 | Fisker | give me profanity |
| 23:19.11 | Fisker | already got reserved |
| 23:19.14 | WobWork | it makes it look so graceful =P |
| 23:19.19 | Fisker | had Dinnerbone provide it |
| 23:20.27 | Adys | Fisker: lol |
| 23:20.29 | Adys | ok sec |
| 23:21.45 | Adys | Fisker: want language too? |
| 23:22.07 | Alram | Fisker :( |
| 23:23.01 | Fisker | idk Adys |
| 23:23.03 | Fisker | sure :P |
| 23:23.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@cpe-67-252-44-53.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 23:23.40 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 23:25.44 | Fisker | bam |
| 23:25.50 | Fisker | sony was sued |
| 23:25.52 | Fisker | giev otheros back |
| 23:26.26 | Lopeppeppy | No. Leggo my eggo |
| 23:27.11 | Adys | Fisker: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/profanity.txt |
| 23:27.55 | Arrowmaster | Adys: your server sucks |
| 23:28.01 | Arrowmaster | its not set to UTF-8 |
| 23:28.15 | Fisker | thanks :3 |
| 23:28.16 | Fisker | :( |
| 23:28.18 | Adys | it is |
| 23:28.20 | Fisker | i hate you Arrowmaster |
| 23:28.24 | Fisker | blows up Arrowmaster |
| 23:28.26 | Adys | and Im getting utf8 just fine |
| 23:28.31 | Adys | you just have shitty fonts |
| 23:28.54 | Arrowmaster | it came as 8859-1 for me |
| 23:29.00 | Fisker | i came |
| 23:29.22 | Fisker | that's odd |
| 23:29.27 | Fisker | chrome did the same thing |
| 23:29.34 | Adys | what thing? |
| 23:30.30 | foxlit | browser autodetection for encoding on that file fails |
| 23:32.29 | Fisker | it works here |
| 23:32.38 | Fisker | but it's like chrome thought it was iso-8859-1 first |
| 23:32.39 | Arrowmaster | not here |
| 23:32.53 | Fisker | but i pretty much just unchecked then checked "find automatically" and then reloaded |
| 23:32.54 | Fisker | then it worked |
| 23:49.14 | foxlit | The addition of random critters to SC2 scenery annoys me |
| 23:49.21 | foxlit | "What's that thing moving over there?!" |
| 23:49.28 | foxlit | "Oh, it's just the map. qq." |
| 23:50.03 | Arrowmaster | Adys: i just used wireshark, there was no http header at all saying what encoding it was |
| 23:50.42 | Arrowmaster | which means most browsers fall back to 8859-1 |
| 23:51.00 | Adys | doesnt matter |
| 23:51.03 | Adys | not keeping that serv very long |
| 23:53.21 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/559358207 |
| 23:58.26 | WobWork | Adys: Whiskey is a profanity? |
| 23:58.36 | Adys | apparently |
