| 00:01.57 | Arathros | fisker er du her stadig? |
| 00:04.10 | Gintaro | wow, the new wine build is running wow even crappier then the last |
| 00:04.18 | Arathros | lol |
| 00:04.26 | Arathros | and wow isnt demanding much more |
| 00:05.19 | Gintaro | although nvidia might be to blame |
| 00:05.26 | Gintaro | they were both installed at the same time |
| 00:06.33 | Arathros | lol should make a world wide winodws shutdown |
| 00:06.57 | Arathros | wow my internet is been a pain in the (sorry for the word) fucking ass |
| 00:08.26 | durcyn | it's okay, you can say 'the', it' s a harmless article. |
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| 00:43.38 | Fisker | i wanted to sleep Arathros |
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| 00:50.30 | kd3 | grr, cold |
| 00:50.37 | kd3 | 50s and windy. going to be down to the 30s |
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| 01:06.29 | ArrowmasterClass | bored |
| 01:07.01 | cog|away | "You get better with age, like a fine wine." "And you get better with wine, like a fine cheese" |
| 01:07.12 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Read http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/lj-pseudocut/o-response-1.html |
| 01:07.19 | Dagmar | Very educashunamal |
| 01:07.21 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: did that hours ago |
| 01:07.27 | Dagmar | Oh. Oh well. |
| 01:07.44 | Dagmar | I just got finished with it because the dog and pony AV controller here blew out earlier |
| 01:08.00 | cog|away | ArrowmasterClass: read http://www.answersingenesis.org/ |
| 01:08.02 | Dagmar | Tomorrow, when the multimedia guys show up to fix it, we're going to have "words" about how they've connected everything. |
| 01:08.04 | cog|away | hides |
| 01:08.14 | ArrowmasterClass | ogg is still inferior because of lack of good subtitle formats |
| 01:08.41 | Dagmar | I've got eight workstations, two servers, and three cable tuners patching into four 42" plasma screens and two 72" projectors |
| 01:09.01 | Dagmar | This stuff should NOT be hooked up the way it is |
| 01:09.24 | ArrowmasterClass | whats that stuff for? |
| 01:09.37 | Dagmar | There's two signal swiching units, two outputs from one go into the other as inputs |
| 01:09.52 | ArrowmasterClass | ..... |
| 01:09.53 | Dagmar | ...and I *think* two others are doing the same |
| 01:09.57 | Dagmar | this is a NOC. |
| 01:10.05 | ArrowmasterClass | i know that |
| 01:10.11 | Dagmar | You know all those big screens on the wall of command centers in the movies |
| 01:10.18 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah |
| 01:10.34 | Dagmar | Yeah well the little thing that controls what video goes to which display blew up on us today |
| 01:10.39 | kd3 | oops |
| 01:10.40 | ArrowmasterClass | but you have more computers hooked upto fewer displays |
| 01:10.56 | ArrowmasterClass | ok class is over |
| 01:10.57 | ArrowmasterClass | gota go |
| 01:10.58 | Dagmar | Each workstation in this area has a hookup into the system for output if need be |
| 01:11.19 | Dagmar | So like, if I'm over at the master console I can smack a few buttons and put what's on my laptop on one of the projectors |
| 01:11.52 | Dagmar | Repowering up the system put each one in an essentially random state |
| 01:12.27 | Dagmar | If it were a classic rat's nest, at least I'd be able to see the wires and where they go. I just had to iteratively push buttons for about an hour and a half |
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| 01:29.33 | cog|away | why the hell does java need administrator access to even show the notification that an update exists? |
| 01:30.27 | cog|away | I don't need a fucking UAC screen interrupting within 5 minutes of every logon |
| 01:30.56 | durcyn | jusched needs filesystem access to write the new files |
| 01:31.08 | durcyn | it's a horrible implementation, thank you sun |
| 01:32.16 | Shirik | cog|away: Because Sun doesn't know how to write code for Windows |
| 01:32.36 | Shirik | it's probably in Java and then they went "oh shit it doesn't work on Windows" when it was done |
| 01:32.48 | Shirik | "hack hack" |
| 01:32.52 | Shirik | "ok works now lolll" |
| 01:33.15 | cog|away | 'cause it's SOOOOO hard to spawn a new process with elevated permissions >< |
| 01:33.44 | cog|away | ~lart sun |
| 01:33.44 | purl | decapitates sun conan the destroyer style |
| 01:33.56 | durcyn | don't worry, larry ellison will fix it |
| 01:34.46 | Jamash | oh god no |
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| 01:44.58 | Kraps | cog|away: solution: turn off UAC |
| 01:45.38 | A-KO | no |
| 01:45.42 | A-KO | don't turn off uac... |
| 01:45.49 | Kraps | ... |
| 01:46.15 | Kraps | what did you people do before vista? |
| 01:46.17 | A-KO | stupid idea :P unless it's a fully managed system that nobody actually uses |
| 01:46.24 | A-KO | plug and prayed :P |
| 01:46.31 | Dagmar | Kraps: They ran everything as the administrator |
| 01:46.49 | A-KO | I got UAC kicked all the way up to the max on my machine |
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| 01:47.28 | Kraps | Dagmar: i am an administrator, its the only account on my pc |
| 01:47.43 | A-KO | and? |
| 01:47.57 | A-KO | UAC still guards against random shit trying to do nasty shit even if you're an admin :P |
| 01:48.01 | A-KO | unless you click yes |
| 01:48.02 | Dagmar | That's about as smart as doing your own appendectomy. |
| 01:48.05 | A-KO | and it can't fake that prompt |
| 01:48.24 | A-KO | the best it can do is socially engineer you into clicking it |
| 01:48.32 | A-KO | but IMO that's a different beast entirely |
| 01:48.33 | Arrowmaster | stuff can completely bypass the prompt if you have admin rights |
| 01:48.40 | A-KO | negative |
| 01:48.44 | Arrowmaster | yes it can |
| 01:48.44 | Dagmar | ~Arrowmaster++ |
| 01:48.57 | kd3 | people shouldn't be running as admin |
| 01:49.03 | kd3 | that's all there is to it |
| 01:49.04 | A-KO | if you have admin rights and have full prompting turned on, it will not bypass that prompt |
| 01:49.10 | A-KO | it cannot |
| 01:49.19 | A-KO | unless you went into windows policy and set it to auto-elevate |
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| 01:49.47 | Kraps | SCAREDY CATS |
| 01:50.06 | Dagmar | No, we're people who just don't care to waste a bunch of time chasing malware/viruses/trojans off the system. |
| 01:50.26 | Jamash | I ran XP for years as admin without ever getting any form of malware |
| 01:50.28 | Dagmar | Privledge separation makes it *significantly* harder for malware to do it's thing |
| 01:50.31 | A-KO | If it tries to do anything to the system from an administrative perspective (write to the root drive, write to windows, write to program files, write to hklm registry)--it *will* prompt unless you've turned that off, admin or not. The only difference is that if you're not an admin, it prompts you for an admin password.. |
| 01:50.50 | A-KO | whereas an admin will prompt "yes/no" |
| 01:51.04 | Arrowmaster | Jamash: and yet my dad can get malware in a few hours on XP with only a "User" account |
| 01:51.09 | Jamash | right |
| 01:51.17 | Arrowmaster | no seriously he can and DOES |
| 01:51.24 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I blame IE, but you can do something about that. Install TeaTimer. |
| 01:51.32 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: Malware can still run within the context of the user--but without admin rights, it can't actually hose the system. |
| 01:51.37 | Jamash | also, delete the IE shortcut from the desktop and start menu |
| 01:51.42 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i do have teatimer installed, it doesnt seem to do anything on his account |
| 01:51.44 | A-KO | I use IE |
| 01:51.46 | Kraps | Dagmar: we're all versed in internet safety/security, right? |
| 01:51.49 | A-KO | and Chrome |
| 01:51.50 | A-KO | heh |
| 01:51.51 | Dagmar | Anything going after sensitive bits of the registry will immediately arouse TeaTimer's suspicion |
| 01:52.06 | A-KO | IE and Chrome are the only 2 browsers that voluntarily lower their privilege level in Windows |
| 01:52.09 | Dagmar | Kraps: You're versed on driving safety before you're allowed to get on the freeway |
| 01:52.42 | Kraps | ... |
| 01:52.49 | Dagmar | Just because you run around clicking everything on the internet without a permit doesn't mean you're not a fool if you don't take a little bit of an interest |
| 01:54.04 | Kraps | ^ is hard to decipher |
| 01:54.12 | Arrowmaster | i finally used tweakui to open up the hidden group policy editor on xp and changed it so that the proxy settings are system wide and users cant change them, this should hopefully stop the malware from hijacking the browser all the time |
| 01:54.16 | Dagmar | Hell, I could go rent the typical "white panel van" and give out thumbdrives and optical disks all day long, but not *one* piece of candy. |
| 01:54.52 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: At least until someone manages to sneak a dll in |
| 01:54.56 | Arrowmaster | i think his system was being mostly kept clean when i was blocking all activex to it from the router, but then i couldnt run windowsupdate |
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| 01:55.24 | Kraps | Spybot Search & Destroy 1.6.2? |
| 01:55.33 | Dagmar | Kraps: Yeah it comes with that |
| 01:55.41 | Dagmar | The thing has saved my bacon more than a few times |
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| 01:55.58 | Kraps | will it conflict with MSE? |
| 01:56.01 | Jamash | no |
| 01:56.04 | Jamash | I run both |
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| 01:56.23 | Dagmar | Granted a lot of users clearly want to _remain_ idiots, but if TeaTimer comes up hollering about a registry change while you're browsing Facebook, alarm bells should be going off in your head |
| 01:56.50 | Torhal | Dagmar: That will most likely, more often than not, elicit a blank stare and a click. |
| 01:56.59 | Kraps | man you guys are scaring me |
| 01:57.00 | durcyn | modal dialogs are the worst fucking interface paradigm in the history of time |
| 01:57.07 | Dagmar | Torhal: Yeah I *finally* got my gf to stop just clicking the damn thing |
| 01:57.09 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.10 | durcyn | teatimer is utterly stupid |
| 01:57.26 | Dagmar | durcyn: And yet it stops suprise registry changes pretty effectively |
| 01:57.38 | Dagmar | What does that tell you about the people who blindly click on things |
| 01:57.54 | Dagmar | . o ( they're dumber than rocks ) |
| 01:58.12 | Dagmar | We could even do a little experiement... |
| 01:58.35 | Jerub | i've seen hardly any uac things in windows 7 |
| 01:58.41 | Jerub | basically only when i install software or upgrade it |
| 01:58.42 | Dagmar | We could set up two identical machines, point the browsers on both of them to some shifty russian sites, put a user in front of one and a rock in front of the other. |
| 01:58.49 | Jamash | http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/goat-destroy.png |
| 01:58.57 | Dagmar | The rock could be trusted to not click "YAY I WANT TEH FREE CNADY" |
| 01:59.24 | Jamash | Xfire likes to pop up a UAC alert every time it starts |
| 01:59.27 | Jamash | it's annoying |
| 02:00.10 | Kraps | i did the second option |
| 02:00.16 | Torhal | A guy on WoWI forums told someone else to turn off UAC "and enjoy installing your programs any damn where you want to" |
| 02:00.22 | Torhal | I basically told him to stop being an idiot |
| 02:00.34 | Torhal | And the guy who was having issues told me if I wasn't going to help, don't post |
| 02:00.37 | Dagmar | THem, and the Russians, and the Chinese, and the Romanians... |
| 02:00.39 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:00.43 | Kraps | "Spybot-S&D is dedicated to the most wonderful girl on earth :) "" |
| 02:01.09 | Dagmar | Torhal: Tell him about the man with the candy |
| 02:01.14 | Torhal | haha |
| 02:01.17 | Thunder_Child | who? typhoid mary? |
| 02:01.36 | Kraps | is she wonderful? |
| 02:02.04 | Kraps | i guess its a wonder she killed all those people |
| 02:05.29 | Kraps | what does "x264" mean? |
| 02:05.48 | kd3 | it's an h.264 encoder |
| 02:05.50 | Dagmar | It's the tool used to deal with h.264-encoding |
| 02:06.16 | Dagmar | With respect to your CPU it can be seen as The World Eater. |
| 02:06.26 | Dagmar | It's hunger knows no bounds. |
| 02:06.39 | Arrowmaster | has run x264 with 8 threads before |
| 02:06.45 | Arrowmaster | fun |
| 02:07.06 | Jerub | x264 is what everyone uses for h264 encoding unless they really like throwing lots of money away |
| 02:07.17 | Arrowmaster | encoded a 1 hour tv show episode from dvd in about 1 hour |
| 02:07.20 | Kraps | i see it on movie d/l sites |
| 02:07.49 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: then you are seeing idiots that cant tell the difference between a program and a codec |
| 02:07.57 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yeah I'm kinda impressed the HD-PVR manages to encode to it in realtime at all |
| 02:08.36 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: maybe it does mean that they used that codec |
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| 02:08.39 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: well i encoded at full res |
| 02:08.41 | Dagmar | Unless mythtranscode finally supports it properly I'm going to have some research ahead of me tomorrow night |
| 02:08.57 | kd3 | wha... the hd-pvr? |
| 02:09.00 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Oh I can believe it |
| 02:09.04 | kd3 | thought myth's supported that for some time now? |
| 02:09.04 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: H.264 or AVC is the codec |
| 02:09.22 | Dagmar | kd3: It does but the files come out weird |
| 02:09.45 | Dagmar | I'm somewhat supicious there's simply a long-standing bug in there that results in some index or other getting stuffed up |
| 02:09.54 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think H.264 was the best codec for streaming/onthefly |
| 02:09.59 | Dagmar | Half the tools that will play the files report strange times and so forth |
| 02:10.05 | Jamash | is it just me or does mythTV have the butt-ugliest user interface of all time |
| 02:10.09 | Arrowmaster | my 1hour encode of 1hour of video was 2 pass |
| 02:10.18 | Dagmar | ...but if you just run file through one pass with transcode, that issue goes away |
| 02:10.36 | kd3 | use a good skin and it's fine |
| 02:10.38 | Dagmar | Jamash: There's a number of themes for it, and they're not that hard to build actually |
| 02:10.42 | Jamash | ok |
| 02:10.52 | kd3 | if you're still using one of the ancient skins (hi blue) and yeah |
| 02:11.04 | Dagmar | Frankly I'd be happier if they'd make even more use of XML than they do |
| 02:11.16 | Kraps | brb |
| 02:11.57 | Dagmar | I've got abou 70% of an LCARS theme working, but until I can finish rebuilding the font (at least one common lcars.ttf on the net is wholly piracy) I'm kinda stuck for finishing it and releasing it |
| 02:12.04 | Jamash | I don't actually have a video capture card so I was just seeing if it could be used as a home media server |
| 02:12.07 | Dagmar | ...and fontforge is just all kinds of tedious. |
| 02:12.18 | Jamash | it's really not designed for that so I uninstalled it |
| 02:12.29 | kd3 | ...not designed for that? |
| 02:12.41 | Dagmar | Jamash: MythVideo can be used for that, and mythbackend has uPnP support that'll stream stuff to a PS3/XBOX just fine |
| 02:12.42 | kd3 | looks at his various mythboxen around the house |
| 02:13.04 | Dagmar | kd3: You and I both know it very much gets grumpy if ther'es not a tuner *somewhere* in the house |
| 02:13.37 | kd3 | lol. I ran without a tuner for a good year or so before I broke down and bought a hvr-1600 |
| 02:13.59 | Dagmar | Yeah but you had to lie and tell it you had one afaik, right? |
| 02:14.16 | kd3 | nope iirc |
| 02:14.19 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 02:14.53 | Arrowmaster | 2.8GiB for 1 hour and 28 minutes at 720p and its only High@L3.1 |
| 02:15.07 | Dagmar | I would dearly like to see it's config system converted to XML templates, but doing that would require someone acutally document WTF those things are supposed to do |
| 02:15.22 | kd3 | document? in myth? ahahaha |
| 02:15.25 | Jamash | I tried out mythvideo and it didn't like my videos |
| 02:15.42 | Dagmar | kd3: yeah I suspect my mythweb patch to restore streaming was ignored because I documented things |
| 02:15.50 | kd3 | my mythvideo's just a glorified frontend for mplayer |
| 02:15.55 | Jamash | also it was sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow |
| 02:15.59 | Dagmar | If 0.23 doesn't work right, I'll redo the patch and add even more documentation just to be snarky |
| 02:16.27 | Jamash | hit a button, wait a minute for the ui to respond |
| 02:16.39 | kd3 | it shouldn't ever take that long |
| 02:16.43 | Dagmar | I think I'll just put in a little ASCII dragon that says "I eat people who want multipart byte-range requests" |
| 02:17.29 | Arrowmaster | lame these 720p stargate atlantis rips have the ecoding details striped out |
| 02:17.44 | Dagmar | I've still not found anything that uses them so I guess just making it log "OMG!OMG!OMG!" and give an error if that type of request comes in will be a good enough fix |
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| 02:18.27 | Kraps | aint that a kick in the head |
| 02:18.32 | Torhal | Dagmar: Terminal error 0xdeadbeef. |
| 02:18.42 | Kraps | pc crashed during shutdown |
| 02:19.12 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 02:19.14 | Fisker | i wanted to sleep |
| 02:19.30 | Dagmar | Torhal: It's not really a terminal error tho. If I read the RFCs correctly, anything being told "no we don't support that" should turn around and start making single-range requests |
| 02:19.55 | Torhal | I just figured "terminal error" went well with "OMG!OMG!OMG!" |
| 02:20.01 | Dagmar | I've no problem writing a log message of "OMG!OMG!OMG!" but to call a non-fatal error something fatal-sounding, nahhh... |
| 02:20.06 | cog|away | where can one find a copy of the world minimap textures? |
| 02:20.06 | Torhal | Heh |
| 02:20.48 | Dagmar | ...then I can just google for "mythweb says OMG!OMG!OMG wtf?" once every month or two |
| 02:21.25 | kd3 | \\Textures\\Minimap iirc |
| 02:23.59 | Kraps | i just got a fraudulent fedex email >.< |
| 02:24.59 | Arrowmaster | with a zip file or executable attached? |
| 02:25.04 | Kraps | no |
| 02:25.07 | Kraps | http://www.fedex.com/us/security/email_fraud.html |
| 02:25.15 | Kraps | bank draft one |
| 02:26.27 | Mr_Rabies | that's one way that antivirus 2010/xp/2008/2009 spreads |
| 02:26.31 | Mr_Rabies | fake ups/fedex emails |
| 02:28.59 | Kraps | question: does the registry cleaner in CCleaner have any negative affects? |
| 02:29.34 | Jamash | I think a better question is: does the registry clean in CCleaner have any positive effects? |
| 02:29.44 | Kraps | hurr |
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| 02:32.17 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5525705/play-way-more-than-18-holes-with-the-raunchy-tiger-woods-affair-tour |
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| 02:39.23 | Kraps | "And I remember the day when you left for Santa Monica" |
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| 02:46.23 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5525697/world-of-warcrafts-new-recruit+a+friend-reward-is-so-romantic |
| 02:46.26 | Kraps | wut |
| 02:47.23 | Zyn | "In other words, if you make up a friend and pay what, $60? Yes, then it's yours." |
| 02:47.28 | Zyn | 60 bucks? huh? |
| 02:47.51 | Kraps | game + sub? |
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| 02:48.39 | Kraps | brb |
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| 02:53.00 | Shirik | Fox News just epically failed in a way that even I thought they couldn't |
| 02:53.28 | Shirik | Just about every fact in their article was wrong |
| 02:53.36 | Shirik | my favorite part was that they wrote "lilicon" instead of "lolicon" |
| 02:53.48 | Shirik | http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/wikipedia-child-porn-larry-sanger-fbi/ |
| 02:53.59 | PProvost | Anyone know if there is a shortcut way to determine the class of a person whispering you? CHAT_MSG_WHISPER doesn't have that information. |
| 02:54.16 | Shirik | PProvost: You don't really have a way |
| 02:54.19 | Shirik | you have to send a who |
| 02:54.23 | Shirik | and then wait for the result |
| 02:54.30 | PProvost | boo who |
| 02:54.40 | PProvost | wtb LibWho |
| 02:54.41 | Shirik | If you're lucky it's coming from someone in your raid |
| 02:54.42 | PProvost | :P |
| 02:54.42 | Shirik | but that's it |
| 02:55.02 | Arrowmaster | doesnt the CHAT_MSG_WHISPER event give the guid? |
| 02:55.11 | PProvost | Nope |
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| 02:55.23 | Arrowmaster | are you 100% sure? |
| 02:55.30 | PProvost | No |
| 02:55.37 | PProvost | Basing it on this: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_WHISPER |
| 02:55.47 | PProvost | If it did give the GUID, can I get class from that? |
| 02:56.47 | Arrowmaster | yes you can |
| 02:57.22 | PProvost | Just did /etrace and it looks like it may come in arg12 |
| 02:58.03 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: biggest fact they got wrong? under US law drawings are not considered child pornography so the FBI has nothing to investigate |
| 02:58.09 | Shirik | no |
| 02:58.14 | Shirik | biggest fact they got wrong is WIKIPEDIA IS NOT COMMONS |
| 02:58.27 | Shirik | they are two completely separate sites, and commons is not the "parent company" of wikipedia in any manner |
| 02:59.14 | PProvost | Arrowmaster: How do you get info by GUID? |
| 02:59.24 | Arrowmaster | !api GUID |
| 02:59.25 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'GUID': GetPlayerInfoByGUID, UnitGUID |
| 02:59.34 | Arrowmaster | !api GetPlayerInfoByGUID |
| 02:59.34 | lua_bot | GetPlayerInfoByGUID: Returns information about a player character identified by globally unique identifier (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPlayerInfoByGUID) |
| 02:59.47 | PProvost | ty |
| 03:00.00 | Shirik | huh, CHAT_MSG_WHISPER sends the GUID? |
| 03:00.07 | Shirik | is behind the times :( |
| 03:00.20 | PProvost | Seems to send it in arg12 |
| 03:00.29 | PProvost | When I did some /etrace testing |
| 03:03.02 | Jamash | Prat colors all names in chat by class, since 3.something |
| 03:03.08 | Jamash | so yeah it's possible |
| 03:03.48 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: its obvious what all of this is really about, every single article ive seen has made sure to mention at the very beginning the sites the guy is now working on/with/for |
| 03:03.49 | sylvaan | arg12 is a GUID |
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| 03:04.08 | Shirik | yeah I know Arrowmaster |
| 03:04.11 | sylvaan | its sent whenever the sender is a player |
| 03:04.17 | Shirik | and he needs to be careful |
| 03:04.31 | Shirik | I'm no lawyer, but if he keeps it up, it could be argued he's "trying to damage the reputation of Wikipedia" |
| 03:05.16 | Arrowmaster | especially since he is down right lying, drawings are not considered child pornography under US law |
| 03:05.35 | Jamash | I hope he gets sued, he's making up nonsense |
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| 03:06.21 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: guessing as potential admin you still arent high enough up to know if the foundation has any plans? |
| 03:06.51 | Shirik | In response? No, I haven't really seen anything on the mailing list, etc. |
| 03:07.10 | Jamash | I wonder if there's any potential penalties for making a false report to the FBI |
| 03:07.38 | sylvanaar | "Filing a false report" |
| 03:07.44 | sylvanaar | its a crime |
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| 03:08.09 | Arrowmaster | he claims that after looking at the law he realized he was legally responsible to report it, but if he really looked at the law he would know its not child pornography |
| 03:08.16 | Shirik | but doesn't that require "knowing and willful" |
| 03:08.17 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:08.21 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 03:08.28 | sylvanaar | something like that |
| 03:08.32 | Shirik | I think it could be argued that "I thought drawings counted" |
| 03:08.36 | sylvanaar | isnt a lawyer |
| 03:09.19 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: if thats his defense then he should have just filed the report and been done with it, not gone around talking about it everywhere |
| 03:09.31 | Arrowmaster | it seriously makes it look like a PR stunt |
| 03:09.35 | Shirik | agree |
| 03:09.53 | Jamash | "I'm shocked, shocked to discover pictures of things on the internets" |
| 03:09.55 | sylvanaar | i get like 6 emails every time a new spammer posts that mining addon crap |
| 03:10.20 | sylvanaar | just got some |
| 03:10.45 | Jamash | what's this mining addon crap? |
| 03:10.46 | Arrowmaster | i should send him links to some loli/guro/rape/scat hentai manga |
| 03:11.35 | sylvanaar | "I find a automatic mining addon,with 3.3.3 patch www.****** I appreciate all the hard work you've put into it.Very simple." |
| 03:12.12 | sylvanaar | the *'s are new |
| 03:13.06 | Arrowmaster | is that exactly how its showing now or something? |
| 03:14.08 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 03:15.46 | Arrowmaster | did curse finally but something in to block the sites? |
| 03:16.08 | sylvanaar | idk |
| 03:18.48 | sylvanaar | for all i know the spammer could have done it. |
| 03:24.55 | Jamash | global search and replace for the lose |
| 03:25.41 | Jamash | I had a line that said "local buttons = buttons" as the first line of a method, which was supposed to be "local buttons = self.buttons" |
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| 03:39.41 | Arrowmaster | http://kotaku.com/5525837/fourteen-halo-2-fans-refuse-to-let-it-die |
| 03:40.01 | Arrowmaster | wonder how long this will go |
| 03:41.37 | Shirik | lmao |
| 03:41.38 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 03:42.02 | Arrowmaster | guessing if i fired up halo2 i wouldnt be able to get online |
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| 03:42.48 | Shirik | I think that's what they're saying; you can't make any new games, but they won't terminate the game<s>s</s> that are still running |
| 03:43.57 | Arrowmaster | halo2 wasnt the only original xbox live game, i wonder if there are people doing the same with other games |
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| 03:49.18 | Shirik | Arrowmaster |
| 03:49.20 | Shirik | as if on cue |
| 03:49.21 | Shirik | http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/04/28/wikimedia-foundation-responds-to-fox-news/ |
| 03:50.18 | Jamash | cool |
| 03:50.36 | Shirik | Now ALL the other news agencies will POUNCE on this and smear Fox |
| 03:50.39 | Shirik | I'mcalling it |
| 03:51.21 | Arrowmaster | CNN will at least |
| 03:51.44 | Dagmar | Fuck that. Sue them. |
| 03:51.51 | Arrowmaster | CNN and Fox seem to have it out for each other since the Tea Party stuff |
| 03:52.19 | Jamash | how do you smear fox |
| 03:52.52 | Shirik | how do you kill that which has no life? |
| 03:52.58 | Arrowmaster | you present the facts and then just glare in the direction of Fox |
| 03:53.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 03:53.05 | Dagmar | You sue it for defamation of character and libel. |
| 03:53.35 | Dagmar | The Fox News story is simply ludicrous lies |
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| 03:53.44 | Dagmar | ...which they're presenting as truth. |
| 03:53.57 | kd3 | which is par for the course for faux |
| 03:55.31 | Dagmar | Yeah but thta's only because people aren't making them pay cash money for the viewers they get from this kind of slander |
| 04:00.18 | Dagmar | I'd be calling ambulance chasers if I were Moeller |
| 04:00.33 | Dagmar | ...just to annoy Fox |
| 04:00.52 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: john stewart does more than just /glare/ |
| 04:01.05 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 04:01.19 | Arrowmaster | never seen john stewart |
| 04:01.40 | Dagmar | Oh, that's right. I forgot you live under a rock. |
| 04:01.52 | Arrowmaster | i dont watch TV |
| 04:02.13 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: here's a link for you |
| 04:02.37 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: bear in mind john stewart's daily show is a comedy news show that lampoons fox news (and other news outlets) on a regular basis |
| 04:02.41 | Jerub | http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/04/backed_by_gospel_choir_stewart.html |
| 04:02.43 | Arrowmaster | theres only two working tvs in the house now |
| 04:03.30 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! | Boobquake! http://bit.ly/dxMjF9 | Happy Birthday Lunessa! |
| 04:03.32 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: no one actually watches this stuff on a real tv. |
| 04:04.31 | Jamash | I do |
| 04:04.52 | Shirik | damn |
| 04:04.54 | Shirik | Cairenn's on the ball |
| 04:05.01 | Cairenn | ? |
| 04:05.12 | Cairenn | oh |
| 04:05.13 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 04:07.42 | Shirik | posted that at 12:04 |
| 04:07.46 | Shirik | 12:03* |
| 04:07.57 | Cairenn | Yeah, I was slow on it |
| 04:08.20 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:08.45 | Cairenn | ;) |
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| 04:18.06 | Dagmar | http://thereifixedit.com/2010/04/24/epic-kludge-photo-damn-you-gold-farmer/ <-- =D |
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| 05:11.44 | Kraps | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129160414601968021.jpg |
| 05:12.04 | Shirik | sigh |
| 05:12.06 | Shirik | http://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/04/27/mississippi-goddamn-high-school-erases-lesbian-student-from-yearbook |
| 05:13.38 | Jerub | yay americans |
| 05:14.19 | Kraps | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/129089125894292676.jpg |
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| 05:20.24 | Kraps | http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/129030748826307527.jpg |
| 05:22.14 | Primedeath | I'd say 4chan that first one, but they are not our personal army. |
| 05:22.16 | Primedeath | :D |
| 05:22.47 | Cairenn | >.< that link about the highschool |
| 05:23.47 | Cairenn | That's just pathetic, imo |
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| 05:24.37 | Primedeath | Anyone here know how to alias /whois to /who in WoW? |
| 05:25.00 | Primedeath | I have used IRC way too long and I've been getting annoyed by accidently typing /whois too many times.. |
| 05:25.01 | Torhal | tHE HIGHSCHOOL ONE IS 404'D |
| 05:25.05 | Torhal | Fucking caps. |
| 05:25.34 | Primedeath | Didn't 404 for me. |
| 05:25.39 | eidolarr | i know it's a long shot but any set theory wizards in here and still awake? |
| 05:25.56 | Iriel | Primedeath: SLASH_WHO3 = "/whois" |
| 05:25.58 | Iriel | That should do it |
| 05:26.15 | Iriel | i.e. /run SLASH_WHO3 = "/whois" |
| 05:26.24 | Kraps | eidolarr: gem spellpower |
| 05:26.25 | Iriel | Or make a little addon with a .lua file that consists of just the assignment |
| 05:26.28 | Primedeath | Awesome. |
| 05:26.29 | Iriel | without the /run in front |
| 05:26.29 | Primedeath | Thank you. |
| 05:26.42 | Jerub | but. |
| 05:26.44 | Jerub | uh |
| 05:26.45 | Primedeath | Works flawlessly. |
| 05:26.53 | Jerub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.02 | eidolarr | you got it backwards |
| 05:27.02 | Jerub | and it's a direct mapping of the irc command basically.../ |
| 05:27.18 | Primedeath | Jerub, I just wanted /whois to use /who in WoW. |
| 05:27.19 | eidolarr | he wants to add whois |
| 05:27.22 | Jerub | oh, right |
| 05:27.25 | Primedeath | :] |
| 05:27.54 | Primedeath | Thank you again Iriel. |
| 05:28.16 | Primedeath | I knew it had to be simple, but not that simple. |
| 05:28.55 | Iriel | The command parser was designed to be really easy to customize (I suspect primarily for localization) |
| 05:28.56 | eidolarr | you could certainly come up with a more convoluted solution, if that would help |
| 05:29.18 | Iriel | Generally take a look at FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua for all of your slash command aliasing needs |
| 05:29.29 | Primedeath | Awesome. |
| 05:29.31 | Iriel | Just add the sequential next SLASH_<xxxx><number> for your command |
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| 05:29.59 | Primedeath | Now, this is weird of me to ask. Anyone know of a mod to make WoW's chat look like irssi? =-p |
| 05:30.14 | Primedeath | I'll google in a moment. |
| 05:30.19 | Iriel | Technically you could use SLASH_WHO2 as well, for the US version, since both 1 and 2 are /who for us, I wonder if another country uses both. |
| 05:30.33 | eidolarr | Primedeath: in aesthetics? |
| 05:30.38 | Primedeath | Aye. |
| 05:30.48 | eidolarr | just like the font? |
| 05:31.02 | Primedeath | Font/color. General look. |
| 05:31.04 | eidolarr | it would be hard to not find a chat mod capable of doing font and colors |
| 05:31.11 | eidolarr | maybe try chatter and prat if they're still around |
| 05:31.25 | Primedeath | Hm. |
| 05:31.36 | eidolarr | or just browse a UI site by category |
| 05:32.40 | eidolarr | you would probably have to find a suitable font yourself though |
| 05:33.40 | Primedeath | Oh, yeah. |
| 05:33.59 | eidolarr | i like inconsolata |
| 05:35.27 | Primedeath | time to make WoW Chat look my SSH. |
| 05:35.52 | eidolarr | you will probably regret it |
| 05:36.04 | eidolarr | i can see how you might think it would be a good idea but it will end up tacky |
| 05:36.43 | Primedeath | Heh, not really. not when I have WoW Chat on the Left and my irssi window on the right with Always on top . |
| 05:37.12 | eidolarr | always on top??? that must be a new windows 7 feature |
| 05:37.37 | sylvanaar | windowed + maximized |
| 05:37.57 | Primedeath | Always on top? It's not new. =-p |
| 05:38.06 | eidolarr | but if you maximize it doesn't that make it cover wow up? |
| 05:38.17 | Primedeath | What sylvanaar said as well. |
| 05:39.18 | Primedeath | I haven't played in fullscreen for years. |
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| 06:13.37 | Alleidun | Morning |
| 06:13.42 | cog|away | NO U! |
| 06:14.08 | Alleidun | But |
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| 06:17.13 | zenzio | "Activision has been served a lawsuit from 38 plaintiffs, including present and former Infinity Ward employees, demanding up to half a billion dollars. The plaintiffs are seeking compensation for 'unpaid bonuses, royalties, profit sharing and future profits from games such as Modern Warfare 3 and punitive damages.'" |
| 06:17.36 | zenzio | the IW thing just keeps getting more interesting |
| 06:17.55 | Alleidun | It was coming. They wouldn't all leave for nothing. |
| 06:18.25 | zenzio | I assumed as much, but 500 million is a lot |
| 06:19.01 | Alleidun | Depends on how many games they're suing over ;) |
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| 06:19.44 | Alleidun | yay another dk :P |
| 06:19.54 | zenzio | can't be |
| 06:20.02 | zenzio | or he'd have been Dkrobotusch |
| 06:20.02 | Alleidun | can't get online either robotusch? |
| 06:20.25 | Alleidun | oh you're from dk too right zenzelezz? |
| 06:20.30 | Alleidun | zenzio * |
| 06:20.43 | zenzio | nope, Norway =) |
| 06:20.52 | Alleidun | aah yearh that's right :) |
| 06:21.41 | Alleidun | btw if you we're to do a looting system to be used for pugs, would you have a confirm box before every loot is distributed or just let it do it automatically ? |
| 06:21.46 | Alleidun | where* |
| 06:22.38 | Alleidun | spelling errors ftw |
| 06:25.26 | Arrowmaster | some of those plaintiffs are still IW employees, i wonder for how long though |
| 06:25.36 | zenzio | yeah |
| 06:26.13 | zenzio | I'm not going to blatantly assume that IW is a horrible place, but I find it interesting to view the MW2 credits video where they've crossed out all the people who've left |
| 06:27.11 | Arrowmaster | i dont think anybody assumed IW was a horrible place to work, just that Activision is a horrible company to work for |
| 06:27.14 | Alleidun | I'm more interested in what Respawn will do in the future tbh. Now they can do whatever they want |
| 06:27.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah, i know IW was wanting to try something other than a FPS instead of MW2 or MW3 |
| 06:27.59 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: I don't know, all the "... has left IW" news made it sound like it was IW, but you're right - it could just as easily be Activision |
| 06:28.16 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: it was entirely Activision |
| 06:28.49 | Arrowmaster | IW is owned and controlled by Activision unlike Respawn which just has a publishing deal with EA |
| 06:29.32 | Alleidun | Did any of you play Monkey Island in the days ? |
| 06:30.14 | zenzio | I wonder how much money the people in Respawn got from Activision so far |
| 06:30.24 | Arrowmaster | i would be happy to see Respawn make something of the same quality as MW and MW2 that wasnt an FPS |
| 06:30.30 | eidolarr | zenzio: my (possibly biased) sources say activision fired the founders of IW and refused to pay them what they were owed for their work |
| 06:31.06 | Alleidun | That's been in the news already eidolarr , something about they were fired because of drinking and what not. |
| 06:31.07 | eidolarr | imho mw2 is them resting on their laurels |
| 06:31.36 | zenzio | eidolarr: what I mean is that I assume they didn't just work for free for the MW2 development cycle |
| 06:32.04 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: not much at all, from what ive heard the IW employees were being paid below average pay because they were expected to be paid large bonuses after MW2 shipped |
| 06:32.18 | Arrowmaster | although i think that kinda shit is becoming standard |
| 06:32.34 | zenzio | perhaps in that industry |
| 06:32.42 | Arrowmaster | in the gaming industry |
| 06:32.57 | Alleidun | it's not just in that industry Arrowmaster :/ |
| 06:33.07 | Arrowmaster | the publishers are seriously fucking the devs every chance they can get, have you heard about the issues with game credits? |
| 06:33.33 | zenzio | don't think so, what's that? |
| 06:33.55 | Arrowmaster | they hold positions in the game credits over the devs heads as incentives |
| 06:34.18 | PProvost | the gaming industry has always been the suck to work in |
| 06:34.23 | PProvost | I don't understand why people do it |
| 06:34.31 | eidolarr | because it's fun |
| 06:34.45 | PProvost | for a while perhaps |
| 06:34.53 | PProvost | or the teenager glory of it |
| 06:35.02 | Arrowmaster | the only people that got listed in the warhammer credits were those in the office on the very last day |
| 06:35.04 | eidolarr | fun and not super hard |
| 06:35.29 | eidolarr | i wonder if there are any game companies that are good to work for |
| 06:35.34 | eidolarr | on like, a microsoft level of good |
| 06:35.35 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: I see. That is worse than TV shows using all of 0.2 seconds to show your name |
| 06:35.46 | eidolarr | maybe... valve... |
| 06:35.49 | eidolarr | id... |
| 06:35.49 | Alleidun | if you have the mentality for perfectionism PProvost, it's not hard to work with gaming |
| 06:35.54 | Arrowmaster | eidolarr: except its neither fun or not super hard unless you are in a position to actually have input on a game |
| 06:36.15 | eidolarr | nah i don't agree |
| 06:36.19 | eidolarr | even debugging a game is more fun |
| 06:36.20 | Alleidun | Bungie eidolarr :P |
| 06:36.45 | eidolarr | i'm working on a HL mod and it's lightweight and funny compared to, say, kernel work |
| 06:36.49 | eidolarr | HL2* |
| 06:37.07 | eidolarr | yeah but i wouldnt want to work for bungie, i dont like halo :P |
| 06:37.08 | Arrowmaster | zenzio: and most the time when you see stuff like 'lead' or 'senior' prefixed before a position in the credits that has nothing at all to do with the persons real job position, just a right/bonus they were given |
| 06:37.11 | PProvost | I'd rather work somewhere else in the industry and _play_ games |
| 06:37.20 | PProvost | Working on them all day would make playing them boring |
| 06:37.51 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: seriously? I must have had too much faith in honesty and decency from the publishers |
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| 06:37.55 | eidolarr | my friends in the industry dont find that to be the case |
| 06:38.02 | PProvost | Mine do. LOL |
| 06:38.05 | eidolarr | their complaints are all of the "your employer treats you like shit" variety |
| 06:38.28 | PProvost | Yes, exactly. But that adds up and makes the whole thing not fun anymore. |
| 06:38.34 | eidolarr | what companies are you talking about? |
| 06:38.41 | PProvost | Everyone has their own way. I'm glad I don't work in gaming. |
| 06:38.47 | zenzio | I don't think working on games would make games in general unfun, but I could have trouble playing my own games because I knew too much about them |
| 06:38.54 | eidolarr | yeah |
| 06:38.55 | Arrowmaster | just take a serious look at some of the credits for games not from one of the AAA developers that everybody should be able to answer who the dev is for the game if asked |
| 06:39.20 | Arrowmaster | some of them have more fucking space listing the publisher's staff than the dev studio staff |
| 06:39.30 | Arrowmaster | even fucking including the publishers fucking lawyers |
| 06:39.38 | Arrowmaster | fucking lawyers! |
| 06:39.40 | PProvost | lol |
| 06:40.01 | eidolarr | i think altogether the game industry is still very young |
| 06:40.06 | krka | verb of adjective? |
| 06:40.18 | Arrowmaster | i wanted to throw up watching the credits for 'the sabatour' i felt so bad for that dev studio |
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| 06:40.28 | Arrowmaster | they all got axed too |
| 06:41.10 | Alleidun | I don't know much about all that credit stuff, but is it the only way to know who's been working on the game if you're not in the company ? |
| 06:41.19 | cogwheel | http://poorlydressed.com/2009/09/30/no-i-cant-take-them-off-theyre-prescription/ |
| 06:41.40 | cogwheel | for some reason i can't stop laughing at that |
| 06:42.17 | zenzio | cogwheel: lol |
| 06:42.34 | Arrowmaster | Alleidun: generally, if you are in the credits you can point to it as a career milestone rather than just being fodder staff that gets thrown around between departments |
| 06:42.47 | zenzio | "Activision retains the discretion to determine the amount and the schedule of bonus payments for MW2 and has acted consistent with its rights and the law at all times. We look forward to getting judicial confirmation that our position is right." |
| 06:42.55 | zenzio | I'd think this sort of thing would be in the contract |
| 06:43.37 | Alleidun | Aah I see Arrowmaster |
| 06:43.37 | eidolarr | it's probably in the contract in activision's favor |
| 06:45.05 | Arrowmaster | im guessing activision might win on the bonuses issue for all of those that left IW if they were still under contract, unless activision is found to have been at fault with otherstuff |
| 06:45.25 | cogwheel | zenzio: his beard even makes it look like a mullet >< |
| 06:45.32 | Arrowmaster | which i think they were with the initial firing |
| 06:47.34 | eidolarr | http://julio-ody.tumblr.com/post/552745613/why-tony-stark-is-better-than-you |
| 06:47.47 | zenzio | who is Tony Stark? |
| 06:47.57 | eidolarr | this is perhaps the best lead in to a software dev blog ever |
| 06:48.01 | eidolarr | the protagonist of iron man |
| 06:48.28 | Arrowmaster | http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54381 |
| 06:48.31 | Arrowmaster | 'In a recent IGDA study, 35% of respondents claimed they "don't ever" or "only sometimes" receive a mention in a game's credits. ' |
| 06:48.57 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: that's crazy o_O |
| 06:50.00 | Arrowmaster | im guessing my friend who works at bioware isnt going to be credited for SW:TOR but hes doing internal tools development last i heard, not actually working on the game itself |
| 06:50.20 | cogwheel | anyone here familiar with VS2010's extension framework? |
| 06:52.52 | zenzio | wonder if I could get VS2010 here yet |
| 06:53.56 | zenzio | ooh, they have it now |
| 06:57.23 | zenzio | and there's an upgrade from 2005/2008 Standard to 2010 Pro... neat |
| 06:58.14 | cogwheel | <3 2010 |
| 07:01.16 | Cairenn | h8 2010 |
| 07:01.34 | zenzio | Cairenn prefers Xcode |
| 07:02.06 | Cairenn | ooooh, you guys are talking geek, not calendar year |
| 07:02.14 | zenzio | :-p |
| 07:02.19 | Arrowmaster | http://vimeo.com/4366695 this is cool |
| 07:02.23 | zenzio | not a good year so far then Cairenn ? |
| 07:02.33 | Cairenn | not so much, nope |
| 07:02.37 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 07:02.43 | cogwheel | sighs |
| 07:02.54 | cogwheel | at least there's a nice new VS >< |
| 07:03.40 | cogwheel | Cairenn: if you find a remote like on Click, be sure to let me know... I could use a bit of a fast-forward myself |
| 07:04.00 | Cairenn | ditto |
| 07:04.08 | Cairenn | or else an off-switch |
| 07:04.10 | zenzio | Arrowmaster: that's awesome |
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| 07:05.33 | zenzio | snuggles Cairenn |
| 07:05.41 | Cairenn | huggles zenzio |
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| 07:19.17 | zenzio | "We think there is a non-trivial audience of players who prefer the 25-player raids and weâre going to continue to support them." - non-trivial? o_O |
| 07:19.56 | Jerub | zenzio: that means, "a huge number of players" in press-release speak |
| 07:20.03 | zenzio | ah |
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| 07:34.12 | zenzio | http://dailysquee.com/2010/04/27/cute-baby-animal-owl-cat/ |
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| 08:32.50 | zenzio | this is why I don't write container formats - I found the original complaint post "logical", but this response even more so: http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/lj-pseudocut/o-response-1.html |
| 08:36.35 | haste | the legend has spoken! |
| 08:36.42 | zenzio | :-p |
| 08:37.50 | Alleidun | quick question. table.wipe does the same as table = nil, table = {} right ? |
| 08:38.48 | zenzio | I can't answer that, but couldn't you drop the "= nil" and just do "= {}"? |
| 08:39.20 | Alleidun | Not sure, it's already defined, I just want to make sure it's completely empty |
| 08:39.46 | haste | Alleidun: table.wipe just iterates over the table and nils out fields |
| 08:39.59 | haste | Alleidun: you use it when you don't want to loose the table identifier |
| 08:40.12 | haste | Alleidun: doing tbl = {} is more CPU efficient however |
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| 08:40.25 | zenzio | I would think "= {}" would say "hey table, I know you had previous content, but ditch that and use this new one instead" |
| 08:40.45 | haste | there are of course other cases where you want to use table.wipe over just setting a new table on the variables |
| 08:40.45 | Alleidun | It's only for catching rolls during looting so efficiency is not a problem here. |
| 08:40.55 | haste | but that's mostly when you create more tables than the GC can collect |
| 08:41.38 | Kalroth | .wipe is better than = {} if its during an OnUpdate!! |
| 08:41.47 | Alleidun | It's not Kalroth :) |
| 08:41.52 | haste | depends |
| 08:42.03 | tekkub | depends on a lot |
| 08:42.15 | Alleidun | Doing a basic need > greed roll system, if someone rolls get winner, empty table, start over :) |
| 08:42.18 | Kalroth | no, all code is certain, there are no dependencies |
| 08:42.18 | tekkub | if you need either, you should look at redesigning whatever you're doing |
| 08:42.54 | Kalroth | I store all of _G in a custom table during each OnUpdate to make sure my globals arent tainted |
| 08:43.00 | haste | Alleidun: basically, both work, use the one that makes the most sense |
| 08:43.17 | haste | (to you) |
| 08:43.25 | Alleidun | I think wipe is easiest instead of double lines everywhere :P |
| 08:43.50 | haste | you don't need double lines |
| 08:44.02 | haste | doing tbl = {} will remove the previous reference to your table |
| 08:44.10 | Alleidun | I know, as you said = {} will work :P |
| 08:44.23 | Kalroth | yeah but I think he wants to reset the table, haste |
| 08:44.30 | Alleidun | Exactly Kalroth |
| 08:44.34 | Kalroth | so he has to remake it after he makes a new one |
| 08:44.36 | tekkub | he wants an empty table |
| 08:44.36 | haste | but you don't need the table identifier |
| 08:44.40 | tekkub | both methods do it |
| 08:44.46 | haste | exactly |
| 08:44.50 | Alleidun | Also for readability I think table.wipe is betteer |
| 08:44.54 | haste | they both work, but they do it slightly differently |
| 08:45.10 | Kalroth | oh, didnt .wipe leave identifiers intact? |
| 08:45.16 | haste | it does |
| 08:45.25 | haste | .wipe just iterates over the table niling out the content |
| 08:45.34 | Alleidun | and still keeps it as a table after |
| 08:45.36 | haste | {} dumps the old table to the GC and creates a new one |
| 08:45.40 | tekkub | wipe == for i in pairs(t) do t[i] = nil end |
| 08:45.49 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 08:46.17 | Kalroth | so if you got. eg. randomly named keys then .wipe will leave those behind |
| 08:46.18 | Alleidun | So it really depends and what you do and where you use it, if you should use one over the other. |
| 08:46.25 | tekkub | ... no |
| 08:46.27 | Alleidun | on* |
| 08:46.53 | tekkub | Alleidun: simply put, use t = {} unless you have a really big table |
| 08:46.54 | haste | Kalroth: what? |
| 08:47.14 | haste | Kalroth: how will .wipe leave keys? |
| 08:47.22 | tekkub | majick |
| 08:47.30 | Alleidun | heeh in this case tekkub, it won't be bigger than 25, maybe 40 :P |
| 08:47.31 | Kalroth | so there aren't keys behind after a wipe? whats the idea then? |
| 08:47.44 | tekkub | Alleidun: yea, GC will be faster than wipe |
| 08:47.45 | haste | Kalroth: it clears the entire table, so it's empty |
| 08:47.52 | Alleidun | hmm |
| 08:47.53 | haste | Kalroth: but you get to maintain the table identifier |
| 08:48.21 | haste | Kalroth: as tekkub said, .wipe is pretty much: function(tbl) for k in next, tbl do tbl[k] = nil end |
| 08:48.23 | Kalroth | so the only difference between wipe and = {} is the table identifier/object, nothing else |
| 08:48.35 | tekkub | and the performance cost |
| 08:48.36 | haste | Kalroth: memory/CPU |
| 08:48.57 | tekkub | wipe is more expensive than GC except on tables with 256+ keys |
| 08:49.01 | Kalroth | well sure, the performance cost is offset to a later time when GC has to do it |
| 08:49.04 | Primedeath | Anyone here know irssi's default font? |
| 08:49.08 | haste | http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 08:49.10 | tekkub | and wipe will never "shirnk" back certain types of tables |
| 08:49.11 | haste | Primedeath: none |
| 08:49.18 | haste | Primedeath: it uses whatever your terminal uses |
| 08:49.34 | Kalroth | haste: thats WRONG! |
| 08:49.34 | tekkub | so if you table has, say 1024 keys of space allocated, you may never get that back |
| 08:50.21 | haste | Kalroth: the GC is more efficient at dealing with it that just iterating over the table niling out |
| 08:50.30 | tekkub | so short answer, you probably don't want to use wipe |
| 08:50.51 | tekkub | long answer, there are a few rare cases where you might, but use it carefully and release the table to GC from time to time anyway |
| 08:51.04 | Alleidun | so tbl = {} basically just moves the data to GC and wipe iterates and nils it. I might sound noobish here, but what's the difference ? GC goes when it goes and iterating is runtime ? |
| 08:51.27 | tekkub | tbl = {} removes the reference |
| 08:51.36 | haste | Alleidun: it will end up at the GC regardless of solution |
| 08:51.39 | tekkub | if nothing references the table, GC will collect it at some future time |
| 08:51.48 | haste | Alleidun: .wipe has a heavier run cost before it ends up there however |
| 08:51.49 | Kalroth | yes but GC has to clean the table up some time and that is by iteration too |
| 08:51.55 | haste | no |
| 08:52.00 | tekkub | wipe dereferences everything in the table, but leaves the table, and the space it's allocated, alone |
| 08:52.04 | haste | the GC doesn't work that way Kalroth :P |
| 08:52.09 | Kalroth | huh? |
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| 08:52.38 | Kalroth | so you got a table of all kinds of different objects and references and GC doesn't have to iterate through said table to clear it? |
| 08:52.45 | Alleidun | aah so if you have a table of 500 keys it will stay at 500 keys but they are empty tekkub |
| 08:52.55 | haste | the Kalroth it checks references, not table sematics |
| 08:53.00 | tekkub | Alleidun: essentially |
| 08:53.13 | tekkub | there are some specific cases where you can "shrink" the table back |
| 08:53.18 | Alleidun | I'm going for the = {} |
| 08:53.18 | Kalroth | [10:46] <Kalroth> so if you got. eg. randomly named keys then .wipe will leave those behind |
| 08:53.20 | Kalroth | [10:46] <haste> Kalroth: what? |
| 08:53.20 | Kalroth | [10:47] <haste> Kalroth: how will .wipe leave keys? |
| 08:53.25 | Kalroth | [10:52] <Alleidun> aah so if you have a table of 500 keys it will stay at 500 keys but they are empty tekkub |
| 08:53.26 | Kalroth | [10:53] <tekkub> Alleidun: essentially |
| 08:53.31 | Kalroth | wat |
| 08:53.44 | Kalroth | so is haste or tekkub wrong |
| 08:53.48 | haste | Kalroth: don't mix keys with table sizes now |
| 08:53.50 | tekkub | neither |
| 08:54.04 | haste | the table will remain the same size in memory when you use .wipe |
| 08:54.11 | haste | but it will be empty |
| 08:54.12 | Kalroth | I'm not, I think I'm pretty specific in my wording :) |
| 08:54.13 | haste | with no keys |
| 08:54.17 | tekkub | except one specific case :) |
| 08:54.44 | Alleidun | I wasn't very specific in my wording :P but I meant what haste just said :) |
| 08:54.58 | Kalroth | okay, if you got a table with 10 keys and you wipe it - can you still iterate 10 entries in the table afterwards? |
| 08:55.19 | haste | no, due to how pairs/ipairs work |
| 08:55.19 | Kalroth | or is the table equal to a fresh and new table? |
| 08:55.25 | Kalroth | okay so I'm right |
| 08:55.30 | haste | it's equal on the lua front-end as a new table |
| 08:55.33 | Kalroth | er, you're right |
| 08:55.40 | tekkub | it's not "equal" |
| 08:55.45 | Kalroth | argh |
| 08:55.47 | Kalroth | i hate you two |
| 08:55.48 | haste | on the front-end it is :P |
| 08:55.54 | haste | except that it still has the id |
| 08:56.05 | Alleidun | hehe, I like how a semi simple question turns into this :P |
| 08:56.32 | tekkub | a fresh new table will take up less memory because it's not had to allocate space for the references in it :P |
| 08:56.39 | tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_object_memory_sizes |
| 08:56.44 | haste | (still the same to you on the front-end!) |
| 08:56.48 | tekkub | read that, and the discussion page |
| 08:56.52 | tekkub | if you *really* care |
| 08:57.20 | tekkub | if you want a simple answer, avoid wipe unless it's a really big huge table (256+ keys).. in which case you should probably just read that page |
| 08:58.10 | tekkub | and consider attacking the problem a different way if you're populating and erasing a 256+ key table often enough that performance is a concern ^^ |
| 08:58.18 | Alleidun | Where do I find the discussion page ? |
| 08:58.34 | tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Lua_object_memory_sizes |
| 08:58.44 | Alleidun | aah found :P |
| 08:58.51 | Alleidun | never knew there was a tab up there :P |
| 08:59.17 | Alleidun | You learn new things all the time :D |
| 08:59.20 | Kalroth | okay so .wipe will kill the keys (and values), but not free the memory previously allocated |
| 09:00.23 | tekkub | also It's late and I think I had that all backwards the whole time |
| 09:00.26 | tekkub | ^^ |
| 09:01.01 | tekkub | but I don't really use wipe much myself because of all this hubbub, I just trust GC and do my best not to throw too much stuff out in the first place |
| 09:01.23 | Kalroth | I wouldn't trust GhostCrawler |
| 09:01.25 | Kalroth | HEHE |
| 09:02.31 | tekkub | the other key bit is that hash-like tables never shrink back really |
| 09:02.50 | Kalroth | and its 40 (FORTY) bytes per key |
| 09:03.02 | tekkub | if you're using an array-like wipe can be nice because when you wirte to t[1] you get a table the same size as doing {"blah"} |
| 09:03.31 | Kalroth | oh |
| 09:05.00 | tekkub | plus it's an hour past my bedtime, my contacts are all fucked, and I get to wake up early and clean Trey's stitches before I take him to school |
| 09:05.01 | tekkub | ugh |
| 09:05.03 | tekkub | off I goes |
| 09:06.14 | Kalroth | nn |
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| 10:25.17 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.roflzoo.com/cat-secret-meeting.html |
| 10:25.55 | zenzio | =D |
| 10:30.49 | Wobin | http://gizmodo.com/5386780/if-you-suffer-acrophobia-dont-look-at-this |
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| 10:31.50 | zenzio | is acrophobia the tehcnical term for fear of heights? |
| 10:31.57 | Wobin | I believe so |
| 10:32.31 | airtonix | acrobat |
| 10:32.41 | zenzio | fear of Adobe Acrobat? |
| 10:33.38 | airtonix | thats just called "Common Sense" |
| 10:34.18 | zenzio | I don't know Acrobat, but I assumed it was a decent software for generating PDFs |
| 10:34.53 | airtonix | its also someone who does performances of daring heights i suppose |
| 10:35.24 | airtonix | acrophobia, not to be confused with agoraphobia. |
| 10:36.00 | airtonix | fear of wide open spaces. |
| 10:36.40 | zenzio | I thought that was Coder's Syndrome |
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| 11:03.24 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/4560358866/sizes/o/in/photostream/ |
| 11:04.20 | Wobin | s/\/o\//\/l\// |
| 11:04.31 | Wobin | bah, can't escape =P |
| 11:04.34 | Wobin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/4560358866/sizes/l/in/photostream/ |
| 11:04.37 | Wobin | instead =P |
| 11:05.02 | zenzio | for some reason that picture made me think of Jamie Hynemann |
| 11:05.18 | Wobin | he's more of a walrus than an otter =) |
| 11:05.25 | Wobin | but he has the same smile =) |
| 11:06.01 | zenzio | Jamie actually reminds me of many creatures... walruses, otters, Zoidberg |
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| 11:19.49 | Adys | Zoidberg reminds me of you, zenzelezz |
| 11:19.52 | Adys | Zoidberg reminds me of you, zenzio |
| 11:20.01 | Adys | you two gotta change names |
| 11:20.09 | zenzio | they're both me you know |
| 11:20.15 | Adys | i know |
| 11:20.16 | zenzio | this is at work, the other is at home |
| 11:20.17 | Adys | get rid of one |
| 11:20.47 | zenzio | tell me a reasonable way to use one X-chat login from two computers and I might |
| 11:21.52 | Adys | kd3: been having pulse issues recently |
| 11:21.57 | Adys | sound dying in wow very regularly |
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| 11:25.21 | Wobin | or at least name them ZenzHome or ZenzWork =P |
| 11:25.41 | zenzio | nevar!! |
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| 11:37.30 | Kalroth | can has gold |
| 11:39.30 | Wobin | hao bu hao? |
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| 12:21.24 | Adys | !api tooltip |
| 12:21.24 | lua_bot | Found 72 possible matches for 'tooltip'. Please be more specific |
| 12:21.28 | Adys | !api tooltip.num |
| 12:21.28 | lua_bot | GameTooltip:NumLines: Returns the number of lines of text currently shown in the tooltip (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/NumLines) |
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| 12:31.12 | Adys | !api tooltip.addline |
| 12:31.13 | lua_bot | GameTooltip:AddLine: Adds a line of text to the tooltip (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/AddLine) |
| 12:34.39 | jnwhiteh | I think the . works there because it's a Lua pattern |
| 12:34.40 | jnwhiteh | not sure =) |
| 12:42.10 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 12:43.34 | Shirik | !! |
| 12:43.54 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, Erik Moeller IS taking legal action against fox |
| 12:44.07 | Shirik | @ Dagmar too |
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| 13:03.58 | Cide | hmm |
| 13:05.00 | Cide | if you roll a random integer from 1 to 10 every 1 second, do you get a 1 on average every 10 sec? |
| 13:05.49 | Cide | don't think the math is more advanced than that ya? |
| 13:05.50 | olafski | I'd say so |
| 13:06.15 | olafski | the rolls are not related etc so yeah =) |
| 13:06.27 | Cide | should sum up to that with the binomial distribution I think? |
| 13:06.44 | olafski | hm that I have no clue of :P too long ago |
| 13:06.59 | Cide | same |
| 13:07.01 | olafski | I usually go with intuition on these things, which is not a good idea except for the most simple cases but still |
| 13:08.47 | foxlit | np. |
| 13:09.02 | foxlit | The expected number of successes in n trials with success probability p is np. |
| 13:09.45 | Cide | thought so |
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| 13:21.53 | Lopeppeppy | If I lead a stupid horse to water, can I drown her? |
| 13:22.16 | foxlit | You'd be guilty of equinicide. |
| 13:22.28 | Lopeppeppy | Equality for everyone, says I. |
| 13:22.59 | alestane | Is it a horse or a sheep? |
| 13:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | Stubborn stupid ass mule, actually. |
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| 13:24.21 | alestane | Then it'll drink the pond first. You're jsut hosed. |
| 13:25.02 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much. Professor whines because she got his title wrong in a news story. I point out to her that the online catalog is 100% accurate, while the printed one is out of date within a month of publication. She doesn't care, she will only use the printed version. |
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| 13:25.25 | Lopeppeppy | I will be SO f'ing glad when we do away with it. |
| 13:27.02 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/plates_05.jpg |
| 13:27.28 | olafski | lucky ana |
| 13:27.31 | olafski | she has a lexus! |
| 13:28.21 | alestane | Because the printed catalog is "Official," don't you know. |
| 13:28.27 | alestane | Are there plans to get rid of it? |
| 13:29.26 | DWSR | http://g4tv.com/videos/45606/StarCraft-II-Storyline-Preview/ <--- The Zerg are overpowered on Korean servers and underpowered in the US/EU? |
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| 13:30.22 | mikma | cairenn: http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/ggr.jpg |
| 13:31.02 | Zyn | ZEEEEEERG RUUUUUUUSH!!!! KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEE ^____________^ |
| 13:31.37 | DWSR | That's just a mindfuck. |
| 13:31.58 | DWSR | Simultaneously over and underpowered/ |
| 13:32.39 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, mikma |
| 13:33.03 | DWSR | btw, for anyone thatclicked the above link: Is anyone having an issue with the Flash app tracking the mouse's movement and adjusting the volume, even without the mouse being held down? |
| 13:33.04 | foxlit | The cat's well-being depends on on whether it is being observed, but on who is doing the observing. |
| 13:33.22 | foxlit | I have an issue with the flash up "Loading Content" |
| 13:36.05 | Shirik | rawrs at Lopeppeppy |
| 13:37.40 | Adys | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/04/28/122242/Firefox-Arrives-On-Android |
| 13:37.44 | Adys | Android Hell becomes real |
| 13:39.51 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/555847417 |
| 13:39.54 | haste | you'll have to explain that one |
| 13:40.15 | Adys | 'It will likely not eat your phone, but bugs might cause your phone to stop responding, requiring a reboot,' writes Mozilla developer Vladimir Vukicevic on his blog |
| 13:41.27 | alestane | At least they're up front about it? |
| 13:42.01 | olafski | I don't see the problem |
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| 13:42.53 | Wobin | heh |
| 13:43.01 | alestane | Is Vampiric Embrace a self-buff these days, or a targeted debuff? |
| 13:43.08 | Wobin | I almost thought I had to Pain Supress the tank on Loken =P |
| 13:43.15 | Wobin | it's a targetted spell |
| 13:43.23 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 13:43.27 | Wobin | no it's a self toggle buff |
| 13:43.36 | Wobin | 30min |
| 13:44.09 | Wobin | vampiric -touch- is the spell |
| 13:47.01 | Kaso | alestane: it only works on non-aoe damage nowadays though, so gone are the days of dotting 20 mobs up with VE and aoeing whilst almost immune to damage from all the healing |
| 13:48.36 | alestane | Don't actually need usefulness info, just whether it can be cast on friendly or hostile targets (or neither). Thanks anyway though. |
| 13:48.53 | Kaso | fair enough |
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| 13:49.53 | alestane | What shadow AoE does a priest do anyway? |
| 13:50.13 | Kaso | mind sear |
| 13:50.53 | Wobin | oh man |
| 13:50.58 | Wobin | -awesome- aoe |
| 13:51.09 | Kaso | used to be able to aoe grind things by like tagging 20-30 mobs with VE then searing, the first tick would heal you a large amount and hopefully if you calculated it correctly you'd outheal the damage of the mobs you pulled ;p |
| 13:51.13 | Shirik | mind sear is really good for single target damage |
| 13:51.19 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:51.30 | Wobin | It -always- confuses me to see spriests do that |
| 13:51.43 | Wobin | at first I thought there was a talent that gave damage to the mind sear target |
| 13:51.50 | Wobin | then I learned they were just morons |
| 13:52.14 | Shirik | lol |
| 13:52.38 | Wobin | alestane, now, for a shadow priest, aoe damage, is essentially, Vampiric Touch, tabspam, then tab alternate Mind Sear |
| 13:52.53 | Wobin | well, aoe packs anyway |
| 13:53.25 | Wobin | I -would- like my tab targetting to move to the next undebuffed mob =( |
| 13:53.31 | Wobin | I spend too much time tabbing =P |
| 13:53.36 | Wobin | and not enough melting faces |
| 13:55.55 | Kaso | the problem with multidotting is i'm always paranoid i'm going to let my ephemeral snowflake'd pain drop off the boss when i dot up other targets |
| 13:56.05 | Kaso | I mean i know exactly when its going to expire, but i still worry |
| 13:56.10 | Kaso | dont wanna loose my crit bonus :( |
| 13:56.39 | Wobin | set up a focus maybe? |
| 13:56.43 | Wobin | with a timer for it? |
| 13:56.59 | Wobin | or rather a macro to pain up the focus? |
| 13:57.00 | olafski | is ephemeral snowflake not a haste bonus? :o |
| 13:57.43 | Kaso | wait |
| 13:57.45 | Kaso | the other one |
| 13:58.04 | Kaso | Nevermelting Ice Crystal |
| 13:58.06 | Kaso | thats the one |
| 13:58.45 | Wobin | I thought there was going to be some awesome hasted SW:P trick I didn't know about =) |
| 13:59.19 | Kaso | unfortunately that died on the ptr :( |
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| 14:18.28 | mikma | Ice Stone has melted? |
| 14:19.26 | Kaso | lol |
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| 14:29.04 | alestane | I still think this is priceless: http://xkcd.com/592/ |
| 14:32.59 | Lopeppeppy | That is exactly my life in the last week! |
| 14:33.30 | alestane | orly |
| 14:34.13 | Lopeppeppy | Change, explosion!!!!! |
| 14:34.22 | alestane | kaboom. |
| 14:34.33 | alestane | Or more dramatically, ka-BOOM! |
| 14:34.36 | Shirik | I really respect my professor |
| 14:35.02 | Shirik | for final project, I had to write a program that reads an excel spreadsheet of grades and emails them out to students as they change |
| 14:35.15 | Shirik | professors that make your students do your work for you = win |
| 14:35.16 | Lopeppeppy | interesting |
| 14:35.23 | Shirik | s/your/their/ |
| 14:35.30 | Shirik | blah |
| 14:35.31 | Shirik | double your |
| 14:35.46 | Shirik | well you get what I mean |
| 14:35.48 | Lopeppeppy | We got a nice GIS student to write 2/3 of our admissions GPS tour app. |
| 14:36.42 | Fisker | you dare challenge me, Shirik? |
| 14:37.07 | Shirik | no, I try not to be mean to those that have no chance of standing up to me |
| 14:38.53 | Shirik | once again, Lopeppeppy never bothered to say hi to me |
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| 14:41.05 | Kraps | i think the cleaning woman sprayed my coworker's monitor with windex :o |
| 14:42.48 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry Shirik. Tons on my mind today. |
| 14:42.55 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:43.22 | Kraps | or just the towel the was holding |
| 14:48.09 | Lopeppeppy | The cleaning people squirt crap on the monitors here too, drives me crazy. |
| 14:50.18 | Shirik | oi |
| 14:50.21 | Shirik | Atlassian isn't doing well this month |
| 14:50.25 | Shirik | You are receiving this email because we believe your organization may have a public-facing instance of Confluence. |
| 14:50.25 | Shirik | Confluence 3.2.1 is currently scheduled for release early next week and will contain bug fixes for a number of security vulnerabilities. We will also publish a security advisory on the day of the release that will announce some vulnerabilities that may expose a Confluence site to outside attacks. |
| 14:50.44 | Wobin | yeah, they've been hammered |
| 14:51.11 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/590/ Iactually like that font, but it easy easy to overuse. |
| 14:51.27 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh, it's been overused, trust me. |
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| 14:52.54 | alestane | I only use it for titles these days. It should never be used for full text streams. |
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| 14:56.47 | zenzelezz | Papyrus is the new Comic Sans SMS |
| 14:56.49 | zenzelezz | -S |
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| 14:59.48 | Fisker | eNO! Shirik |
| 14:59.50 | Fisker | eNO? |
| 14:59.51 | Fisker | :o |
| 15:00.13 | zenzelezz | emo? |
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| 15:11.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | this interest anyone : http://news.mmosite.com/content/2010-04-26/trion_worlds_presents_3_blockbusters_in_different_style,2.shtml |
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| 15:29.02 | Fisker | hey zenzelezz |
| 15:29.08 | Fisker | you are my best friend zenzelezz |
| 15:35.03 | alestane | If that doesn't give him nightmares, I don't know what will. |
| 15:36.51 | Lopeppeppy | I think I often do. |
| 15:40.19 | zenzelezz | peppy does not give me nightmares. She does give me dreams |
| 15:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | oooh la la |
| 15:44.15 | Fisker | om nom nom |
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| 15:47.57 | Kraps | Shirik: be happy you're not this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Phaedriel_2 |
| 15:48.14 | Kraps | TOO MUCH SUPPORT |
| 15:48.19 | Shirik | ow |
| 15:48.24 | Kraps | read the talk page |
| 15:48.56 | Shirik | but there's worse |
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| 15:49.04 | batrick | i'll nominate shirik for 4chan buffer |
| 15:49.06 | Shirik | IIRC there was someone with a 299 support and still failed |
| 15:49.31 | batrick | shirik is so dedicated he even taunts the 4 chan kiddies |
| 15:49.32 | mikma | http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php |
| 15:49.45 | robotusch | Slack Fusker |
| 15:50.12 | Shirik | Kraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Dihydrogen_Monoxide_3 |
| 15:51.22 | zenzelezz | now this bed looks crowded... http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/04/28/funny-pictures-get-outta-bed-committeh/ |
| 15:53.14 | Fisker | robotusch |
| 15:53.15 | Fisker | hej |
| 15:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra does this. What a mess. http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/04/28/funny-pictures-kitteh-attacks-toilet-paper/ |
| 15:56.13 | robotusch | :< |
| 15:56.19 | zenzelezz | "In March, the jury in the Novell/SCO case found that Novell owns the copyright to Unix. Now, SCO's lawyers have asked judge Ted Stewart to order Novell to turn over the Unix copyright to them"... would someone just nuke the bastards already? |
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| 15:56.31 | robotusch | http://i41.tinypic.com/k2fzhd.jpg ^_^ |
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| 15:57.11 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:57.48 | mikma | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/funny-pictures-cat-comes-from-internet.jpg |
| 15:58.19 | alestane | toasts Lunessa. |
| 15:58.24 | zenzelezz | http://dailysquee.com/2010/04/28/cute-baby-animal-stackable-huskies/ aww |
| 15:58.31 | Lunessa | bows. |
| 15:59.57 | foxlit | "Beware of official-looking scam messages. Click [here] to improve your account's security." |
| 16:00.03 | foxlit | ... |
| 16:00.25 | Kaso | i see what they did there! |
| 16:00.43 | foxlit | Oh, no, not me. |
| 16:00.53 | foxlit | It's the EU wow alert. |
| 16:02.11 | Kraps | Shirik: what happened there? i dont see anything earthshaking in the rfa itself except some strong opposes |
| 16:02.18 | Shirik | I don't really know |
| 16:02.20 | Lunessa | ... This is why you don't have amateurs write you public messages. |
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| 16:04.59 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 16:07.02 | Kraps | anyone know good wow podcasts besides the instance and castaclysm? |
| 16:07.13 | Lunessa | My co-workers covered my desk in metallic/plastic streamers and balloons. The card reads; "You're 40? Woo-hoo, PARTY NAKED!" Inside: "Just stay indoors, okay? ... no sense scaring the neighbor's dog." |
| 16:07.29 | Lopeppeppy | Owies! |
| 16:07.56 | batrick | Happy Birthday Lunessa ! |
| 16:08.03 | Lunessa | :D |
| 16:08.06 | Kraps | happy birfday! |
| 16:10.05 | batrick | b00bquake |
| 16:10.38 | Fisker | goes up |
| 16:10.53 | alestane | It is weird searching old threads where my text is in white. |
| 16:11.05 | Lunessa | I *heart* boobs. Boobquake should be a national holiday. |
| 16:11.12 | batrick | +1 |
| 16:11.15 | zenzelezz | "Avatar movie producer interested in Avatar MMO"... I hate how everyone wants to make MMOs now |
| 16:12.30 | Kraps | eh, the market does need to get bigger |
| 16:12.36 | Fisker | naw |
| 16:12.36 | Kraps | mainstream |
| 16:12.49 | Lunessa | Everyone wants a product to which people will subscribe and spend lots of time in. because it's MONEY. |
| 16:12.54 | zenzelezz | it wouldn't be a problem if 90% of them weren't clones |
| 16:14.15 | Cide | or if 90% of them didn't suck |
| 16:14.22 | Kraps | zenzelezz: survival of the fittest in consumer item is always a win |
| 16:14.25 | zenzelezz | Cide: truth |
| 16:14.36 | Cide | pretty sure wow is the only mmorpg that doesn't suck actually |
| 16:14.45 | Cide | opinion, of course, but still |
| 16:14.52 | Cide | maybe EVE classifies as well |
| 16:14.55 | zenzelezz | pretty close at least |
| 16:15.01 | Cide | every other mmorpg I've tried has had some fatal flaws |
| 16:15.11 | Cide | besides wow and eve, but eve wasn't for me |
| 16:15.16 | zenzelezz | I have hope for SW:TOR, but I'm making no assumptions |
| 16:15.17 | Kraps | Cide: the wow forumites would like a word with you |
| 16:15.31 | Cide | they don't believe wow sucks either |
| 16:15.41 | Cide | they just think they do |
| 16:16.00 | zenzelezz | let them go try another MMO, and most of them would come running back |
| 16:16.04 | Kraps | CATACLYSM WILL KILL WOW |
| 16:16.11 | Cide | 1. "wow sucks when's warhammer" 2. warhammer is released 3. ??? 4. people come back to wow |
| 16:16.23 | zenzelezz | Cide: indeed |
| 16:16.39 | Kraps | dont they realize that the have become a parody of themselves? |
| 16:17.00 | zenzelezz | same happened with Aion |
| 16:17.41 | Lunessa | WoW did something different in MMO-space. They coupled familiar mechanics, just enough innovation and a beloved setting. They chose stylistic art rather than suffer the Uncanny Valley reaction of "realistic" art, and they decided not to include punishing mechanics to give the game a challenge. |
| 16:18.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | why cant they release an mmo that has a developer kit on day 1 |
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| 16:19.13 | zenzelezz | I am very interested to see Blizzard's new MMO |
| 16:19.19 | Lunessa | And no one has come close since. Everyone else's implementation falls short. :( |
| 16:20.06 | zenzelezz | given they're not part of Activision, I'm half-fearing we'll see World of Duty |
| 16:20.24 | Cide | lol |
| 16:20.27 | olafski | World of Duty: Old and Modern Warfare |
| 16:20.41 | Cide | Mold Warfare |
| 16:20.44 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 16:20.57 | Kraps | zenzelezz: the new mmo will probably come out in 50 years :p |
| 16:21.07 | Kraps | given blizzard |
| 16:23.34 | Fisker | activision needs to be f'd in the a by infinity ward |
| 16:23.55 | Kraps | but the reverse happened eh? |
| 16:25.36 | sylvanaar_atwork | this looks cool http://www.BattleDroids.net/default.html |
| 16:25.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | its not an mmo |
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| 16:28.01 | Adys | ~wowalert |
| 16:28.02 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 16:29.52 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100428.html |
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| 16:31.03 | Gintaro | "Along those lines, will it be possible to un-friend people ...." un-friend, it's a word now? |
| 16:31.05 | Gintaro | Die! |
| 16:31.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | the battle droids thing looks like something you'd like Shirik |
| 16:31.47 | Kraps | Gintaro: blame facebook |
| 16:31.56 | Adys | We wrapped on IT Crowd 4 last Friday and I can still hardly believe it. To celebrate, have a mixtape! (And remember, if you like something, show those responsible some love. A band can not eat on Spotify plays alone! Yet.) |
| 16:31.58 | Adys | OMGOMG. |
| 16:32.35 | Kraps | wrapped? |
| 16:32.53 | Kraps | wrapped up?? |
| 16:32.57 | Kraps | *? |
| 16:33.01 | durcyn | wrapped is an industry term for completion of principal photography, yes |
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| 16:33.27 | Gintaro | IT Crowd, isn't that that british tv show? |
| 16:33.44 | Adys | yes, that AWESOME tv show, may i add |
| 16:33.53 | Adys | season 4 to premiere in june \o/ |
| 16:33.58 | durcyn | speaking of. |
| 16:36.09 | Adys | http://failblog.org/2010/04/28/epic-fail-photos-auto-sign-fail/ |
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| 16:36.57 | durcyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7XN6Q_qyLo < the american pilot for the IT crowd, featuring joel mchale. it. is. crap. |
| 16:37.37 | Adys | retarded ya |
| 16:38.25 | alestane | goes home now. |
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| 16:39.53 | Adys | Why's Ayoade there? |
| 16:41.47 | Fisker | english comedy isn't funny when you carbon copy it |
| 16:42.29 | durcyn | scene by scene copies can work, i.e. The Office, but mchale's delivery is garbage |
| 16:43.08 | Adys | No, this is stupid |
| 16:43.16 | Adys | pointless and stupid |
| 16:43.33 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 16:44.00 | Adys | moss is the only thing that's not burst out in tears right now |
| 16:44.13 | Fisker | yeah |
| 16:44.16 | Adys | Cairenn: please ban durcyn for linking NSFTB material |
| 16:44.19 | Fisker | he's the only thing keeping it afloat for me |
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| 16:45.18 | durcyn | not safe for tuberculosis? |
| 16:45.52 | Adys | not safe for the brain |
| 16:46.06 | Cairenn | heh |
| 16:46.18 | Lopeppeppy | my brian is fine, get a set of booster shots for yours. |
| 16:46.40 | Adys | I don't have a brian |
| 16:46.45 | Adys | my name's not jack |
| 16:46.49 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I had one, rawr! |
| 16:48.29 | Cairenn | Happy Birthday Lunessa! |
| 16:49.13 | Lunessa | Thank you Cairenn. *huggles* |
| 16:49.21 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:53.52 | p3lim | Do I have to wait for some event before I use SetBinding()? |
| 16:54.53 | Gintaro | Why did the US IT Crowd keep Moss? |
| 16:55.21 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAbZzdalZh4 |
| 17:00.13 | cogwheel | chuckles |
| 17:00.38 | cogwheel | pinches Lunessa an untold amount of times |
| 17:01.21 | Lunessa | Nah, I'm 40. It's ok. Everyone can know. |
| 17:01.28 | Lunessa | I'm just hitting my prime. |
| 17:01.31 | cogwheel | ooh a nice one |
| 17:02.20 | Lunessa | And now rocking the office to Radar Love by Golden Earring. |
| 17:04.03 | Adys | A post has been reported on a board you moderate. The reporter has made the following comment: |
| 17:04.03 | Adys | being a grammar natzi |
| 17:04.38 | cogwheel | at least they weren't claming to be a spelling naTzi |
| 17:05.45 | Adys | on that note |
| 17:05.48 | Adys | the original post was |
| 17:05.50 | Adys | "Who doesn't think that they would to every strand of their being that if the ony drake droped you would NL it i saw it drop yesterday in ony 10 for the first time and the raid lead picked it up and i got to watch everyone flip save the only thing that ocured to me was that im forming all my own ony's from now on cause i intend to nl that mount." |
| 17:05.59 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I could listen to music. *sigh* |
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| 17:09.28 | cogwheel | When are companies going to take advantage of hearing aid tech and make wireless ear buds? That would a) be totally friggin awesome, and b) reduce the cost of the medical devices |
| 17:10.23 | foxlit | There are already wireless earphones |
| 17:10.36 | cogwheel | yeah, but people can still tell you're wearing them ;) |
| 17:10.52 | foxlit | There are hearing aids that you can't tell people are wearing? |
| 17:11.03 | cogwheel | some hearing aids these days are borderline implants |
| 17:11.15 | cogwheel | that actually sit inside the ear canal |
| 17:11.34 | cogwheel | with just a little string to pull them out like a tampon |
| 17:12.14 | cogwheel | </gratuitouscomparison> |
| 17:14.31 | Adys | I need someone using windows 7 64bit |
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| 17:15.01 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 17:15.26 | cogwheel | what do you want to do with me? |
| 17:16.41 | Adys | cogwheel: might need you to test my uploader in a bit |
| 17:16.48 | Adys | getting a crash somewhere in the windows api |
| 17:17.52 | cogwheel | kk |
| 17:18.03 | foxlit | weird stuff. |
| 17:18.20 | foxlit | get a mouse button down event; open the world map; close world map; release mouse button, get no button up event. |
| 17:18.38 | Adys | foxlit: the map hacks about with the world frame |
| 17:18.59 | Adys | you can notice how it sometimes messes with FPS frame. shit like this |
| 17:19.32 | Adys | cogwheel: http://www.filedropper.com/mmocu_1 |
| 17:19.45 | cogwheel | foxlit: maybe because a mouse-enabled frame appeared over the frame with the down click event so it cancelled the corresponding mouseup as if you had moved the mouse out of the button? |
| 17:19.47 | Adys | can you try install open this and install addon? |
| 17:20.05 | cogwheel | Does it work if you move the mouse slightly after the map closes? |
| 17:20.27 | foxlit | nope |
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| 17:20.43 | foxlit | (it's also a binding rather than a direct button click, but anyhow) |
| 17:21.34 | cogwheel | Update complete |
| 17:21.44 | Adys | cogwheel: open Addons/+mmoc_recorder |
| 17:21.47 | Adys | tell me what files you see? |
| 17:22.11 | cogwheel | just the toc |
| 17:22.26 | Adys | ok, thanks |
| 17:22.32 | Adys | will get back to you in a bit |
| 17:22.36 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/just_plain_wrong_spock_doing_t.php |
| 17:22.40 | mikma | muhahahahahahaaaa |
| 17:24.01 | Adys | Any vista/xp user around? |
| 17:26.02 | alestane | http://comics.com/9_chickweed_lane/?DateAfter=2010-04-28&DateBefore=2010-04-28 I'm glad we had this little talk. |
| 17:26.42 | DWSR | Adys: What's up? |
| 17:28.01 | Adys | DWSR: http://www.filedropper.com/mmocu_1 unzip this, click install addon, tell me whats inside your wow/Interface/Addons/+MMOC_Recorder folder |
| 17:28.37 | DWSR | Adys: Do you specifically need Vista/XP? I'm running 7, which should function in all behaviours as Vista would. |
| 17:28.59 | Adys | specifically need vista/xp |
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| 17:29.29 | DWSR | ah, sorry. Thought it was just a question. |
| 17:29.40 | DWSR | I'm assuming it works on 7? |
| 17:30.12 | Adys | it doesnt, which is why i need a vista/xp user to confirm my suspicions |
| 17:30.16 | Lunessa | alestane: Anyone is generally happy to have that sort of chat. |
| 17:30.30 | Ackis | transferances Lunessa |
| 17:32.01 | alestane | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/gallery.html#337 "Silas, what's happened to your nose?" |
| 17:32.01 | alestane | "I've just come from Rome." |
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| 17:37.57 | Adys | alestane: that comic's pretty good |
| 17:38.16 | alestane | Chickweed Lane, or the WoW Contest? |
| 17:38.24 | Adys | #337 |
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| 17:40.25 | olafski | will it do anything other than putting something in the addon folder adys? |
| 17:40.43 | Adys | olafski: Install addon just does that |
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| 17:40.46 | olafski | ok |
| 17:40.56 | Adys | upload data will sift through WTF, but won't upload anything the addon didnt generate |
| 17:42.06 | olafski | right, installed |
| 17:42.29 | foxlit | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/comics/images/ss330.jpg |
| 17:42.30 | olafski | just a .toc file in that folder |
| 17:43.00 | Adys | olafski: what's your wow dir path? |
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| 17:44.10 | Adys | (the one you set on the file dialog i mean) |
| 17:44.24 | olafski | D:\World of Warcraft |
| 17:44.37 | olafski | this is on Vista btw |
| 17:44.46 | Adys | thanks a lot |
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| 17:45.23 | MatthewWW | Fast question: does anyone know if WoW calls an event of any kind when it opens a tutorial? |
| 17:45.32 | Adys | !api tutorial_ |
| 17:45.33 | lua_bot | TUTORIAL_TRIGGER: Fires when a contextual tutorial should be shown (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/TUTORIAL_TRIGGER) |
| 17:45.39 | MatthewWW | I'm trying to detect when tutorials are loaded, and play a sound file accordingly. |
| 17:45.40 | Adys | !api _tutorial |
| 17:45.40 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for '_tutorial'. |
| 17:45.46 | Adys | MatthewWW: guess not |
| 17:45.53 | Ackis | haha i locked two cats in our bedroom and one of them took a shit in the laundry hamper |
| 17:46.24 | Ackis | now I'm getting in shit from teh fiancee |
| 17:46.42 | MatthewWW | Like.. I know how to TRIGGER the tutorials, but I'm wondering if there's a way to detect when one is triggered by the game. ... or some way to work around it if there isn't |
| 17:46.45 | Adys | Ackis: so you're getting shit from both the cat and the fiancee? |
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| 17:47.13 | Ackis | I'm not at home, so just one shit |
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| 17:48.36 | MatthewWW | Hmm, looking in the book, there's a script reference for TutorialsEnabled, which returns 1 or nil... but that's not really helpful hehe |
| 17:48.57 | alestane | I somlder with generic rage: http://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/04/27/mississippi-goddamn-high-school-erases-lesbian-student-from-yearbook |
| 17:50.40 | Gnarfoz | hmmm? |
| 17:50.46 | Gnarfoz | am I stupid or does http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/TUTORIAL_TRIGGER do exactly what you wanted? |
| 17:50.58 | Gnarfoz | it fires when the game is supposed to show a tutorial |
| 17:51.14 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: wait, wtf? |
| 17:51.16 | MatthewWW | *further reading* |
| 17:51.26 | MatthewWW | Yep. I'm stupid. That's exactly what I'm looking for lol |
| 17:51.34 | MatthewWW | Thanks guys and gals |
| 17:51.50 | MatthewWW | That was fast. You folks are saints. |
| 17:54.13 | alestane | The whole "don't ask, don't tell, and if anyone asks us, you never existed" mindset is becoming increasingly prevalent. |
| 17:54.33 | alestane | There are no homosexuals. We've always condemnded homosexuality. |
| 17:55.08 | alestane | sp* |
| 17:55.42 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: (also, aside, woo slog! :P) |
| 17:56.27 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: yeah, I suspect it's part of the general right-wing reactionary movemnt that seems to have sprung up. |
| 17:56.39 | NightHawkTheSane | (and by 'reactionary', i of course mean bat-shit-crazy overreactionary) |
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| 17:57.09 | cogwheel | WTH didn't we let the south secede? |
| 17:57.30 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe we can kick them out now. :P |
| 17:57.54 | Gintaro | I bet it's the same group of retards that wants Intelligent Design teached in schools |
| 17:58.09 | NightHawkTheSane | it more or less is. |
| 17:58.42 | NightHawkTheSane | wanders off to a sprint planning meeting. |
| 17:59.05 | Lopeppeppy | sucks to be that student when it comes time to apply for college. Will she even get transcripts? |
| 17:59.09 | alestane | 'taught,' Gintaro.</nitpick> |
| 17:59.25 | Gintaro | Thanks |
| 17:59.30 | p3lim | Anyone know if you get a new set of totems when changing specs? |
| 17:59.45 | alestane | If they don't give her her diploma and transcripts, Lopeppeppy, they should have a large and painful lawsuit on their hands. |
| 17:59.51 | Gintaro | You've taught me a valuable lesson |
| 17:59.57 | alestane | Exactly! |
| 18:00.00 | Gintaro | :P |
| 18:01.03 | cogwheel | don'tcha love English? |
| 18:01.07 | p3lim | Oh hell yes! :D |
| 18:01.18 | foxlit | From this side of the atlantic ocean, that looks like such pointless asshattery. |
| 18:01.47 | foxlit | Just don't see any pro's to actually removing anyone from a yearbook :/ |
| 18:02.31 | Lopeppeppy | spite |
| 18:02.42 | alestane | They're only pros to the same mindset that thinks that if you stop people from saying certain words you've blocked the feeling they're used to express. |
| 18:03.17 | Dagmar | foxlit: That's because you're not a jackass teenager |
| 18:03.46 | Gintaro | The Japanese have an expression: The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. |
| 18:04.00 | Dagmar | Generally Yearbook layouts are done by the student body, and as such, can generally be expected to take advantage of their position to make some "corrections" unless you pick the students carefully |
| 18:04.04 | Ackis | so, the entire Curse office is stuck in an airport bar... anyone want to dick with them? |
| 18:04.11 | Dagmar | Ackis: YES. |
| 18:04.18 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 18:04.23 | Lopeppeppy | There is an advisor, students only get away with what the faculty ALLOW them to get away with. School is still responsible. |
| 18:04.33 | Gintaro | Who put an office in an airport bar? |
| 18:04.37 | Gintaro | That's asking for trouble |
| 18:04.41 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Yeah but they're not likely to notice a student missing from the photo pages |
| 18:04.45 | Thunder_Child | though somehow 'stuck in a bar' seems to be an oxymoron |
| 18:05.00 | Dagmar | Odds are there was one student in particular looking to enforce their own personal world-view, rather than some plan by the school administration. |
| 18:05.05 | Gintaro | TC: Not if the bar is empty |
| 18:05.10 | Lopeppeppy | They should notice. Maybe my yearbook advisor was more thorough, he actually proofed against lists. |
| 18:06.07 | Dagmar | If I were administration I'd out the person responsible for the act of vandalism |
| 18:06.07 | Adys | ... huh |
| 18:06.07 | Thunder_Child | Gintaro: i mean, it's more like the staff went out of their way to go into the bar. |
| 18:06.07 | Adys | King Varian Wrynn (npc 39371) is level ?? Elite |
| 18:06.07 | Adys | friendly |
| 18:06.07 | Adys | tooltip shows he's level boss |
| 18:06.07 | Adys | but unitclassification disagrees |
| 18:06.11 | Dagmar | "Time to have a dialog kids... Mary might be a dyke, but Shirley Nostrum is an _intolerant bitch_" |
| 18:07.05 | Lunessa | People are douches. In general, people will let any manner of evil things happen, so long as those evil things aren't happening to /them/. People will even clamor for evil things to happen - to any one they don't like or are afraid of or have other reasons to despise. How many of us cheer when some guy gets crapped on in a movie? I rest my case. |
| 18:07.16 | alestane | åºããããæããããas Gintaro pointed out. |
| 18:07.47 | alestane | "First they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a trade unionist." |
| 18:07.50 | Gintaro | some of those chars don't work here :( |
| 18:08.09 | alestane | Your IRC client is set to the wrong character set, then. |
| 18:08.13 | Gintaro | Nuhuh! |
| 18:08.35 | cogwheel | ya huh! |
| 18:08.37 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:08.39 | Lunessa | alestane: Exactly. |
| 18:08.43 | Gintaro | There are null chars in there! |
| 18:09.01 | Gintaro | Oh wait |
| 18:09.03 | cogwheel | unicode is multi-byte |
| 18:09.08 | Gintaro | the input box does display them properly |
| 18:09.19 | cogwheel | might be your display font |
| 18:09.26 | Gintaro | probably |
| 18:09.48 | mikma | ah hahahahahahahahahahaa |
| 18:09.53 | Gintaro | hmmmm |
| 18:09.56 | mikma | cairenn + haste : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmRTGRbrATs |
| 18:10.02 | Gintaro | anyone know a unicode mono font? |
| 18:10.19 | foxlit | consolas |
| 18:10.19 | Gintaro | for windows |
| 18:10.22 | Gintaro | Nope |
| 18:10.35 | cogwheel | consolas isn't very complete unicode-wise |
| 18:10.41 | cogwheel | i think courier new is the most complete |
| 18:11.07 | alestane | I;m frankly amazed that cat stays there, mikma. |
| 18:11.17 | mikma | alestane: same here |
| 18:11.31 | mikma | like dood, wtf, stays there and continues cleaning |
| 18:12.20 | Gintaro | probably deaf |
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| 18:12.56 | Gintaro | Aha! |
| 18:13.00 | haste | great way to ruin a sub :P |
| 18:13.01 | Gintaro | Arial unicode MS |
| 18:13.38 | alestane | Arial is prety complete, but not mono. |
| 18:14.03 | Gintaro | It's the only one that's been able to display all chars |
| 18:14.05 | cogwheel | yeah, i think arial unicode ms is the most complete, widely available font |
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| 18:14.42 | Lunessa | Subwoofer Cat should be in the Pantheon. |
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| 18:19.22 | Gintaro | Yup |
| 18:19.26 | Gintaro | Arial it is |
| 18:20.44 | Lopeppeppy | Woofcat? |
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| 18:22.20 | Ackis | I saw arial and read it as anal :( |
| 18:22.27 | Ackis | guess I has shit on teh mind |
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| 18:24.04 | Cairenn | lol at cat |
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| 18:25.19 | Fisker | lol at Cairenn |
| 18:25.24 | alestane | Getting a cat to admit that something else has forced him out of somewhere requires a force beyond mortal possibility. |
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| 18:32.50 | Ackis | alestane: I got a cat to shit in a laundry basket |
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| 18:38.01 | sylvanaar_atwork | Gintaro: what about courier new |
| 18:38.22 | Dagmar | Why not go for the gold and use Comic Sans |
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| 18:41.01 | Gintaro | :D |
| 18:41.08 | Gintaro | courier is less complete |
| 18:41.14 | Fisker | robotusch |
| 18:41.15 | Fisker | wat |
| 18:41.16 | Fisker | wat. |
| 18:41.22 | sylvanaar_atwork | but - its monospaced |
| 18:41.27 | Gintaro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_typefaces#List_of_Unicode_fonts |
| 18:43.19 | sylvanaar_atwork | i should remind myself what the font mapper does in windows in order to make sure all characters will display |
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| 18:46.15 | Dagmar | slyvaaar: Falls back to that hideous font |
| 18:46.31 | sylvanaar_atwork | the one that has every character i guess |
| 18:46.45 | Lopeppeppy | I just spent 90 minutes copy editing the wrong version of this file. /wrists |
| 18:46.54 | kd3 | ow |
| 18:46.59 | Dagmar | Just fire up Word or something, go to the font dialog selector, and scroll down until you see "MS Gancho" or "Frukti" or one of those other LTR/asian/chickenscratch fonts |
| 18:47.31 | Dagmar | Where all the other font names are in their font style, the indian/asian fonts which don't have romanic glyphs wind up making Windows fall back to Arial (on a good day) |
| 18:50.30 | Ackis | omg I'm getting an iPhone: http://www.pooptheworld.com/ |
| 18:51.23 | Ackis | it's an app |
| 18:51.29 | Dagmar | You might be able to just get the emulator running for that |
| 18:51.29 | Ackis | to track your poops |
| 18:51.45 | alestane | does diffs for Lopeppeppy to transplant her edits fast. |
| 18:51.50 | Ackis | you can't run an emulator while you're pooping! |
| 18:51.53 | Dagmar | You'll want to run that in a TrueCrypt volume since it's PII |
| 18:55.56 | Dagmar | You don't want someone getting ahold your poop data and using to steal your identity |
| 18:56.23 | Dagmar | I mean, as far as PII goes, that's about as personal as it gets. |
| 18:56.48 | Dagmar | You should ask the author what the app does to protect the PII it collects. |
| 18:56.49 | Dagmar | :) |
| 18:58.19 | Ackis | I'll store it on my TrueCrap volume lulz! |
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| 19:01.29 | sylvanaar_atwork | apple bought siri - thats interesting |
| 19:01.51 | Dagmar | Ackis: Ooooh... I'm ashamed I didn't see that one heh |
| 19:06.40 | Dashkal | mmm, AVR gives me an idea. Has anybody considered using an AVR type mesh along with tomtom for waypoint navigation? |
| 19:06.46 | mikma | what is siri and how does it excite you sylvanaar_atwork? |
| 19:06.48 | MatthewWW | Very newbie LUA Question in general... is there a select case, kind of like many other languages? |
| 19:07.11 | MatthewWW | Like... select case (foo) case is 2 then foo foo case is 3 then foo foo end |
| 19:07.21 | haste | It's Lua. |
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| 19:08.00 | haste | also, lua doesn't have case MatthewWW |
| 19:08.17 | Dashkal | mmm, guess kr.. turned off his old trigger? |
| 19:08.21 | haste | http://lua-users.org/wiki/SwitchStatement has example solutions to it, but you generally dno't need it |
| 19:08.23 | MatthewWW | haste: hmm... |
| 19:08.33 | foxlit | Dashkal: lack of elevation data would hurt more if you were actually serious about using it that way |
| 19:08.47 | Dagmar | case && goto should probably be left in the 80's |
| 19:08.52 | Maldivia | ok - what is it with farmers and circles? http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=k&ll=34.298494,-102.087193&spn=0.127347,0.264187&z=13 |
| 19:09.01 | Dashkal | foxlit: I could survive not having the elevation. The thought is I'd like a big arrow goign through my feet directing me on the x,y plane |
| 19:09.27 | Dashkal | It would sure beat sexymap/gatherhud follow-the-line. |
| 19:09.30 | Dagmar | Maldivia: Yeah and people wonder where the illegals get the idea |
| 19:09.34 | MatthewWW | haste: well I'm doing an OnEvent handler to capture the ID of the tutorial that is called... and I'm having it play a sound according to which Tutorial id is called, so I can't really figure out a case other than making a billion else's |
| 19:09.39 | Dagmar | You can see that stuff from orbit. |
| 19:10.00 | Dashkal | MatthewWW: lookup table. |
| 19:10.11 | haste | MatthewWW: what Dashkal said |
| 19:10.26 | MatthewWW | Thanks guys - still new at this stuff |
| 19:10.26 | Dagmar | Maldivia: ...although if your question is serious, it's mechanized farming. There's actally a very long mechanical sweeper arm going round and round watering |
| 19:10.39 | Dashkal | MatthewWW: No worries. I remember learning it well :) |
| 19:11.20 | Maldivia | Dagmar: yeah, but it looks so surreal from a sattellite :) |
| 19:11.48 | MatthewWW | If it's not obvious, I've used other languages fairly extensively, but have yet to really touch lua |
| 19:12.02 | foxlit | Lua is awesome. |
| 19:12.03 | sylvanaar_atwork | Lua is very simple |
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| 19:12.44 | foxlit | though it would be nice to have native threading |
| 19:12.57 | sylvanaar_atwork | you can |
| 19:13.13 | foxlit | mm? |
| 19:13.14 | Dashkal | MatthewWW: The concept of using a map for that kind of dispatch is a practice you should consider elsewhere as well. Once your switch statement starts pushing 50 lines, it's time to rethink. |
| 19:13.15 | sylvanaar_atwork | you just have to write it yourself like everything else in Lua pretty much |
| 19:13.31 | foxlit | Nah, you're still limited to one thread executing at a time. |
| 19:13.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | what? |
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| 19:14.20 | foxlit | Just what it says on the tin. Lua doesn't expose operating-system threads. |
| 19:14.27 | sylvanaar_atwork | you can write your own dispatcher (in c) and run any number of threads |
| 19:14.30 | Dagmar | What would be useful now would be a way to search for everything Shirik has said in here in the last six months for the word "thread" |
| 19:14.34 | foxlit | You can't add that functionality in without hacking your own lua executable |
| 19:14.40 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:14.44 | sylvanaar_atwork | i agree |
| 19:14.46 | foxlit | i.e. writing not-Lua code. |
| 19:14.52 | sylvanaar_atwork | no |
| 19:14.53 | Dashkal | native threading requires extending lua. There's a whole chapter in the lua book I bought on why you should avoid it too. Annoying given the trend towards multi-core. |
| 19:14.54 | sylvanaar_atwork | now i dont |
| 19:14.57 | Dagmar | Shirik: I'm pretty sure I've seen you go on a bit of a rant about that and tables |
| 19:14.57 | MatthewWW | Dashkal: my programming brain hasn't reached that level yet, sadly. I'm basically grabbing the ID of the tutorial being called (there are 60) and responding by loading a different .mp3 each time. (I'm narrating the tutorials) |
| 19:15.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:15.03 | sylvanaar_atwork | lua code is the C part as well |
| 19:15.03 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:15.22 | Dashkal | MatthewWW: Then you definitely want a map (lua: table). |
| 19:15.29 | Shirik | batrick and I did a lot of work trying to get tables to operate across threats |
| 19:15.31 | Shirik | threads |
| 19:15.32 | foxlit | MatthewWW: that sounds like an awesome idea :) |
| 19:15.33 | Shirik | it's not fun |
| 19:15.49 | Dashkal | MatthewWW: Also, agreed. Very cool :) |
| 19:15.50 | MatthewWW | foxlit: It's for my Ph.D. thesis. We're seeing if it makes any 'difference' |
| 19:15.55 | Shirik | well it's fun for me |
| 19:15.57 | Shirik | but I'm a massochist |
| 19:16.02 | foxlit | Ah, so it's "work" |
| 19:16.07 | Dagmar | Matthew: What... reading the tutorial tips to people? |
| 19:16.21 | MatthewWW | Dagmar: removing the visual element altogether, just sound |
| 19:16.27 | Dashkal | heh, one of my favorite addons was born of that kind of work. mmm, routes. |
| 19:16.36 | Dagmar | Oh.. I suppose that depends rather strongly on your narration skills |
| 19:16.41 | MatthewWW | Heh |
| 19:16.44 | MatthewWW | We're hiring other people to narrate |
| 19:16.46 | MatthewWW | :P |
| 19:16.50 | Dagmar | Champions Online, for example, had F**KING HORRIBLE voice actors |
| 19:16.53 | MatthewWW | I just have to get the flipping code working |
| 19:17.19 | Dagmar | ...like to the point where many people had no idea what storyline bits were going on because they were desperate to break out of those cutscenes between areas |
| 19:17.47 | sylvanaar_atwork | mashes the ESC key |
| 19:18.00 | Dagmar | ...and DDO, which had Gary Gygax doing narration and everyone thought was very cool and just assumed the voice we were hearing was his. |
| 19:18.33 | Dagmar | ...and then you got to about level 7 and suddenly someone who sounds like the hairy newyork jewish guy from the Simpsons starts narrating and you find out THAT is Gary Gygax |
| 19:18.55 | Dagmar | ...which is actually pretty hilarious. |
| 19:19.25 | Dagmar | If we'd been hearing it from level 1 though we'd have been turning it off |
| 19:19.27 | MatthewWW | lol |
| 19:19.35 | Fisker | esc Shirik |
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| 19:21.23 | Dagmar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9cJeUPqC_g <-- not as bad as it could be, but still |
| 19:22.55 | MatthewWW | This table stuff is going to explode my brain |
| 19:23.02 | Lunessa | Gary was not a very good public speaker. His voice was all wrong. He was a much better writer - after he had time to polish his writing. |
| 19:24.04 | foxlit | MatthewWW: no mathematical/programming background? |
| 19:24.20 | MatthewWW | foxlit: very little. |
| 19:24.27 | MatthewWW | Cognitive Psychologist. |
| 19:24.47 | foxlit | Mm. Hire starving comp sci undergrads to do your dirty work :) |
| 19:25.06 | MatthewWW | Sadly LUA's pretty esoteric at my institution |
| 19:25.52 | foxlit | Surely people play warcraft :) |
| 19:26.11 | Cide | tables in lua are basically a very common data structure in computer science (the hash table) |
| 19:26.26 | Cide | any comp sci undergrad would understand the concept almost immediately |
| 19:26.45 | Lunessa | And if they don't, your comp sci program is in serious trouble. |
| 19:28.19 | MatthewWW | lol |
| 19:28.26 | foxlit | Hash tables are complicated, though. Tables are simple :) |
| 19:28.39 | MatthewWW | I'll manage with logic.. even if the code's not terribly efficient, it just has to work |
| 19:29.52 | foxlit | But what you're doing is basically mapping some numbers to some file paths, I guess |
| 19:29.57 | foxlit | so you'd do something like |
| 19:30.00 | MatthewWW | yep |
| 19:30.31 | foxlit | local tutorialSounds = { [1] = "Path to the mp3 for ID=1 tutorial", [2] = "Path to the mp3 for the ID=2 tutorial", ...} |
| 19:31.15 | foxlit | then local pathToMP3 = tutorialSounds[tutorialID]; |
| 19:31.35 | foxlit | and presumably PlaySoundFile(pathToMP3) |
| 19:31.55 | MatthewWW | hm I'm going to try to implement that |
| 19:32.14 | MatthewWW | give me a little while and we can play pastebin |
| 19:34.11 | MatthewWW | foxlit: Hypernoob question - I've never had to write a variable that long in this language - can I skip lines? or should I just go for the uber long table declaration |
| 19:34.15 | Dashkal | MatthewWW: Quibble: Lua is a proper noun. Don't type it in all-caps (It's a word, not an acrynomn). |
| 19:34.29 | foxlit | You're welcome to insert linebreaks as you please |
| 19:34.30 | MatthewWW | mmk |
| 19:34.34 | MatthewWW | thanks to both |
| 19:35.38 | MatthewWW | Final naggy question: I promise. When I do the path, where is the default directory? I mean if I just type... "/sound.mp3" is that the same folder as the .lua file from which it was called? |
| 19:36.05 | foxlit | No. All file paths are relative to the wow base directory; you should not begin with a slash |
| 19:36.20 | foxlit | Also, the directory delimiter is probably backslashes. |
| 19:37.07 | MatthewWW | so if I'm loading the sounds into a folder named "sounds" in the same folder as the addon, would I use "\Interface\AddOns\AddonName\Sounds\foo.mp3" |
| 19:37.09 | Lunessa | And you're going to put all the sounds into your AddOn's folders, so "Interface\AddOns\YourAddOnName\sub-folder" etc. |
| 19:37.18 | MatthewWW | roger |
| 19:37.50 | Lopeppeppy | Roger roger! |
| 19:38.10 | Lunessa | And things in " "s don't need to be escaped. |
| 19:38.45 | MatthewWW | Not 100% sure what you mean by that... still reading.. sorry lol |
| 19:40.22 | Lunessa | reserved characters, like the \ will normally be interpreted as commands. So to include them as text you use \\ - but you don't have to do that if your text is enclosed in quotes, since that will not be read as a command. |
| 19:40.37 | MatthewWW | Oh, ok. Got it |
| 19:40.45 | Lunessa | I'm butchering it to make it simple, but that's the gist. |
| 19:40.57 | MatthewWW | Yea, I read something like that in the book |
| 19:45.51 | sylvanaar_atwork | i like extended form quotes [[Interface\Addon\Foo\Sounds\Bar ]] |
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| 19:46.54 | Lunessa | alestane: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0718.html - WIN |
| 19:47.20 | MatthewWW | foxlit; what's the pastebin around here? |
| 19:47.25 | foxlit | http://pastey.net |
| 19:48.44 | MatthewWW | http://pastey.net/135838 |
| 19:48.51 | MatthewWW | It's behaving erratically |
| 19:48.53 | MatthewWW | think I did something wrong lol |
| 19:48.58 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://codepad.org/RmJiflUP |
| 19:49.23 | sylvanaar_atwork | your quotes are wrong |
| 19:49.37 | Dashkal | Is it possible to fiddle with the default XP bar without tainting everything in sight? Someone asked for an interesting feature: Honor points on the bar as a percentage of the cap. |
| 19:50.24 | MatthewWW | sylvanaar_atwork: so I should do the [[ instead of the "? |
| 19:50.50 | sylvanaar_atwork | http://codepad.org/mw3sxABP |
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| 19:51.18 | sylvanaar_atwork | yes |
| 19:51.18 | MatthewWW | Oh |
| 19:51.19 | MatthewWW | I get it, thanks |
| 19:51.32 | Maldivia | [[te\st]] or "te\\st" |
| 19:51.37 | sylvanaar_atwork | right |
| 19:54.14 | alestane | I feel like I'm missing some piece of that, Lunessa, although I do like the idea of challenging Death to a wet t-shirt contest. |
| 19:54.36 | Lunessa | alestane: It's the whole Bill & Ted thing. |
| 19:57.56 | MatthewWW | foxlit; sylvanaar_atwork; Dagmar; ... ok, this part is working perfectly. Now I need to supress the actual tutorial popup, and also access a different folder if the player is horde or alliance. I think I can handle that part, but I have no idea how to supress the tutorial popup. |
| 19:58.15 | foxlit | What's the event you're using? |
| 19:58.24 | MatthewWW | TRIGGER_TUTORIAL |
| 19:58.27 | MatthewWW | err |
| 19:58.29 | MatthewWW | TUTORIAL_TRIGGER |
| 19:58.43 | sylvanaar_atwork | cant you just unset the option |
| 19:58.52 | MatthewWW | No because then the event doesn't occur at all |
| 19:59.07 | MatthewWW | I need the event to occur |
| 19:59.13 | MatthewWW | but the visual tutorial window not to appear |
| 19:59.18 | foxlit | TutorialFrame:UnregisterEvent("TUTORIAL_TRIGGER") |
| 19:59.43 | MatthewWW | Is TutorialFrame an internal WOW frame? |
| 19:59.50 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 19:59.57 | MatthewWW | I could kiss you. |
| 20:00.01 | foxlit | Or, rather, it's the frame that FrameXML uses to handle that event |
| 20:00.45 | MatthewWW | Now all I'm going to do is catenate in "soundsa" into the string for the path if the character is alliance, and "soundsh" if they're horde. And this one is done. |
| 20:03.25 | sylvanaar_atwork | are your table indexes and file names always going to be the same like that |
| 20:05.25 | MatthewWW | I will make sure they are, yes |
| 20:05.25 | MatthewWW | lol |
| 20:05.29 | MatthewWW | Well wait |
| 20:05.35 | MatthewWW | I could make the entire thing into variables |
| 20:05.37 | MatthewWW | I'll do that and get back to you all |
| 20:06.02 | sylvanaar_atwork | use string.format to make the file names on the fly |
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| 20:11.52 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:11.55 | Fisker | the flaw of mortality |
| 20:13.53 | Thunder_Child | not bad Fisker |
| 20:15.24 | DWSR | Fucking. Done. |
| 20:15.36 | Kaso | is it just me or does clicking [here] on the wow alert thing not work |
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| 20:15.51 | Kaso | is it on linux maybe? is it hard coded to send to IE or something stupid |
| 20:16.49 | Fisker | your mom is hardcoded to IE |
| 20:16.51 | Fisker | or something stupid |
| 20:20.05 | MatthewWW | foxlit: Dagmar; I cleaned this up a lot thanks to you guys http://codepad.org/IB5CtWlG |
| 20:20.31 | Thunder_Child | Kaso: um, no? mine opens in chrome |
| 20:20.37 | Kaso | hmm odd |
| 20:20.56 | Thunder_Child | it would be your client i think |
| 20:23.01 | foxlit | MatthewWW: you could stand to use more local variables, but otherwise, it's fine :) |
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| 20:23.37 | DWSR | MatthewWW: Unless it absolutely 100% cannot be local, it should be local. |
| 20:24.02 | DWSR | btw, can you put tables in tables? |
| 20:24.05 | DWSR | Or do you need a metatable for that? |
| 20:24.09 | DWSR | (btw, wtf is a metatable)? |
| 20:24.13 | foxlit | yes, you can put anything in tables. |
| 20:24.27 | Thunder_Child | puts foxlit in a table |
| 20:24.31 | DWSR | then wtf is a meta table? |
| 20:24.31 | Kaso | hell you can put a table in itself! |
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| 20:24.43 | DWSR | Kaso: Yo dawg, I heard you like recursion. |
| 20:24.49 | foxlit | a metatable is a set of instructions how to perform particular operations |
| 20:25.03 | MatthewWW | foxlit: Thanks. Yea, I can localize some of it. |
| 20:25.05 | DWSR | Like a matrix transformation? |
| 20:25.10 | PProvost | When you set the metatable for a table, you are providing instructions for how to do the default "table things" |
| 20:25.15 | PProvost | Like "default values" |
| 20:25.17 | foxlit | Like what to do when you try to access a key that does not exist in the table |
| 20:25.20 | MatthewWW | foxlit: though, this is going to be done in a lab.. so there will be no other addons, so it shouldn't be a problem |
| 20:25.21 | DWSR | Ah. Ok |
| 20:25.24 | foxlit | Or what to do when you try to add two tables to each other |
| 20:25.27 | DWSR | AH |
| 20:25.33 | DWSR | That's exceedingly useful. |
| 20:25.43 | PProvost | It is /like/ type, but don't convince yourself it is type |
| 20:25.56 | DWSR | MatthewWW: Don't confuse l10n with local'izing. |
| 20:26.35 | durcyn | MatthewWW: 9 SETGLOBALS in a 24 line script though, ugh. |
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| 20:32.47 | MatthewWW | Now the much more complicated version that detects when players are having trouble before showing a tutorial |
| 20:35.01 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 20:35.17 | Arrowmaster | this Split/Second demo is awesome, and now i know why they call it Split/Second |
| 20:36.26 | zenzelezz | for some reason the "/" in "Split/Second" really annoys me |
| 20:37.15 | foxlit | Why? |
| 20:37.18 | foxlit | It's perfectly reasonable |
| 20:37.26 | foxlit | It's the units for the number of splits per second |
| 20:38.16 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Yeah, I was looking at that game. |
| 20:38.20 | DWSR | It looks tight.\ |
| 20:39.07 | DWSR | Was also looking at Alan Wake, DtR:R |
| 20:39.14 | DWSR | Some /hawt/ games coming out soon |
| 20:39.47 | DWSR | DTR:R looks pretty cool, actually. |
| 20:40.13 | DWSR | Basically been watching vids on g4tv.com all day. |
| 20:41.28 | Arrowmaster | rofl i justed used a second level powerup to change the track layout and droped a fucking aircraft control tower on the guy behind me |
| 20:41.39 | Arrowmaster | it even gave me an instant replay of it |
| 20:42.16 | MatthewWW | Alright folks, thanks for the help. Other stuff to work on. I'll be back tomorrow when I'm working on more complicated annoying things. |
| 20:42.19 | MatthewWW | You've all been great |
| 20:42.29 | Arrowmaster | also took out 4 guys with a previous second level powerup that race |
| 20:44.58 | alestane | This is a trip: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/photo.php?pid=1217846&id=1013346118 |
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| 20:46.06 | NeoTron | I must say I sort of love how a serialized object (using Java Serialized) is larger than an XStream serialized object... binary format larger than XML. wtf? |
| 20:47.31 | Maldivia | in general, or just in your particular case? |
| 20:47.39 | Dashkal | NeoTron: By default, Java serializes everything. Do you actually need every field serialized? |
| 20:47.55 | Dashkal | And I mean every field of every class up the inheritance chain |
| 20:48.50 | Maldivia | if something shouldn't be serialized, you mark it transient |
| 20:52.14 | Fisker | imma gettin it Arrowmaster |
| 20:53.53 | Dashkal | Maldivia: That works great when you control the inheritance chain (which, yes, you should). If you don't, there's a plan B. There are couple methos you can define to completely take over serialization/deserialization. |
| 20:55.59 | Maldivia | Dashkal: if you don't control the chain, and try to deserialize, how do you know you won't break the internal state of your superclasses? |
| 20:56.08 | DWSR | BECAUSE YOU WON'T, OK? |
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| 20:59.04 | Adys | http://nerfnow.com/comic/286 |
| 20:59.25 | NeoTron | Dashkal: every field that's serialized is needed yes |
| 20:59.34 | NeoTron | ones that aren't are marked transient |
| 21:00.02 | NeoTron | use case is, basically, storing a replica of a data object structure in a cache vs getting it from the database |
| 21:00.27 | NeoTron | serializable is faster, but it's very inefficient in space. Externalizable and custom serialization is better in both aspects but more work |
| 21:01.27 | DWSR | Adys: I watched something about SC2 that said that the zerg were overpowered in Korea and underpowered in EU/US. |
| 21:01.47 | DWSR | Adys: Apparently different regions require different gamebalance? lolwut? |
| 21:02.45 | Adys | jnwhiteh: you're getting praise in my teamspeak channel |
| 21:02.57 | Adys | "it's a good addon. The guy even wrote a book about addons!" |
| 21:03.02 | Dagmar | Sadly, my approach to Starcarft http://nerfnow.com/comic/285 |
| 21:03.52 | alestane | Me too, Dagmar. |
| 21:05.04 | Lunessa | Oh, I was asked to say "Thank you, thank you, thank you. " a thousand times to both tekkub and jnwhiteh about addons friends can't live without. Just imagine I actually said it a thousand times, ok? |
| 21:05.56 | Maldivia | Dashkal: ohh, and read/writeObject doesn't take over serialization - only the serialization of the class inhwich they are specified, sub/super classes still follow their own way |
| 21:10.46 | Gagorian | Lunessa: Unacceptable |
| 21:11.02 | Gagorian | lua> for i=1,1000 do print("Thank You") end |
| 21:11.04 | lua_bot | Gagorian: Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Tha... (result truncated) |
| 21:11.09 | Gagorian | There you go |
| 21:11.16 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Gagorian |
| 21:11.17 | purl | hauls Gagorian up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 21:11.20 | durcyn | (ability to care truncated) |
| 21:11.46 | Adys | http://nerfnow.com/comic/270 |
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| 21:14.48 | Kraps | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-28/hewlett-packard-will-acquire-palm-for-1-2-billion-update1-.html |
| 21:15.19 | Adys | http://nerfnow.com/comic/266 |
| 21:15.22 | Adys | these are great |
| 21:15.38 | Kraps | http://comics.com/peanuts/2010-04-28/ |
| 21:15.52 | Lunessa | Gagorian: I thought about doing that, but I decided lua_bot didn't need the work. |
| 21:17.13 | Dagmar | Kraps: I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what investors think of that |
| 21:17.29 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm out for today folks, and off to a conference tomorrow so I'll see you all - briefly - on Friday. |
| 21:17.29 | Dagmar | ...although I suspect the answer is "not much" |
| 21:20.28 | Kraps | Dagmar: ya think? who still has stock in those 2 anyway? /eyeroll |
| 21:21.44 | NightHawkTheSane | A lot of people, i expect. |
| 21:21.59 | Dagmar | Well, the pre was actually really nice, but I suspect that what f**ked them was making it so that you *had* to get a data plan |
| 21:22.09 | Dagmar | ...which means paying a retarded sum of money per month. |
| 21:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | But still, it's a wholly uninteresting company buying up a neat-but-failed company... :P |
| 21:22.16 | Dagmar | It can be hacked around but fuck that |
| 21:22.26 | Kraps | enough to make the market care, NightHawkTheSane? |
| 21:23.13 | NightHawkTheSane | do you mean the entire market, of all companies, world wide? no, obviously not. |
| 21:23.24 | Kraps | urr |
| 21:23.26 | NightHawkTheSane | but both HP and Palm are sizable companies, and have a lot of investors. |
| 21:23.41 | Dagmar | Oh, and f**king over existing users by putting out a newer model with TWICE the memory on a _competitor's_ exclusive before the first people's contracts were up is another one |
| 21:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | this change will affect them, and they'll react, and the effect will be noticable. |
| 21:24.20 | Dagmar | That was definitely a jackass move on Palm's part |
| 21:24.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah, welcome to the world of android, though :P |
| 21:24.40 | NightHawkTheSane | its like the new 'best' android phone flip flops between verizon & t-mobile |
| 21:24.45 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: At least the Android phones can be brought across providers if they're unlkocked |
| 21:24.54 | NightHawkTheSane | not across those two |
| 21:25.08 | Kraps | check out the screenshot http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/ptr-character-copies-now-available/ |
| 21:25.09 | Dagmar | The original Pre would *only* work on Sprint |
| 21:25.12 | zenzelezz | the mobile market in the US seems messed up. Not saying it's perfect here either, but still |
| 21:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: no argument. :P |
| 21:25.22 | Dagmar | ...then they made a newer one with double the RAM and that one *only* works on Verizon. |
| 21:25.52 | durcyn | zenzelezz: the FCC fucked up and let carriers use different bands, so they're able to lock in customers by producing handsets that only work on their own frequencies. it. is. retarded. |
| 21:25.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah, that was kinda fucked up, but my point was it's not something unique to palm. they just couldn't afford the mistake |
| 21:26.07 | Dagmar | I'd have bought either if they didn't require a goddam mega-hack to get them working with registering with a cell provider |
| 21:26.24 | durcyn | so instead of an actual handset market, we get whatever the carriers feel like selling, or pay triple for imported unlocked phones |
| 21:27.05 | Dagmar | Hm.... why do I get the feeling about six million people will be requesting a charcopy today |
| 21:27.55 | jnwhiteh | Adys: aaw, thanks =) |
| 21:28.20 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: ...and at any rate, you have a measure of choice with Android |
| 21:29.10 | Dagmar | You can actually get an Android on eBay and "just use it" by going through the regular process with your cell phone company. You don't need a data plan, and you can disable it. |
| 21:29.51 | foxlit | "Win eye of the storm 10 times while holding 4 bases:" 0/10 |
| 21:29.53 | foxlit | qq. |
| 21:29.57 | Dagmar | The Pre doesn't let you have that choice. Sure it's got 802.11, and while you should in theory be able to do the usual registration on your current not-overpriced-plan like I did with my Palm 800w, you *can't*. |
| 21:30.02 | Dagmar | *The phone* won't let you. |
| 21:30.23 | Dagmar | It won't do a damn thing until you've registered it on the cell network using a data plan. |
| 21:31.01 | Dagmar | I probably won't ever be buying another Palm anything after that stunt |
| 21:31.25 | Dagmar | ...and they're stock is still under $5/share and I'm not sure even the HP purchase makes it worth that |
| 21:35.56 | Kraps | "They did not send out press beta invitations. They sent out press beta invitation invitations. The press is being invited to accept the opportunity to get a beta key some time in the future." |
| 21:36.03 | Adys | I hope them being stocks doesn't affect the stocks they own |
| 21:36.23 | foxlit | sigh, BG port offers are bugged |
| 21:36.32 | foxlit | They refer to a "random battleground" even if you queued for a specific one |
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| 21:47.25 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 21:47.57 | Fisker | Kraps ? |
| 21:48.05 | Kraps | no |
| 21:48.27 | Kraps | is krap a danish word? |
| 21:49.33 | Maldivia | yeah, but not common |
| 21:50.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i could totally go for a danish |
| 21:50.19 | NightHawkTheSane | or maybe a croissant |
| 21:51.25 | Thunder_Child | damit NightHawkTheSane, you are making me hungry....stop it |
| 21:52.58 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe i shouldn't tell you about the awesome ramen i had for lunch |
| 21:54.10 | Kraps | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/ihop-takes-on-kfc-with-cheesecake-pancake-sandwich/article1549684/ |
| 21:54.55 | Dagmar | Holy crap |
| 21:55.24 | Maldivia | its sounds kind of disgusting, but the picture looks nice |
| 21:55.54 | Fisker | i like you Kraps |
| 21:55.56 | Fisker | do you like me? |
| 21:56.30 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm thinking I'd like to *try* eating one because I love cheesecake and love pancakes but... |
| 21:56.36 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure that would be enough to make me ill. |
| 21:56.42 | Dagmar | ...and FAT. |
| 21:57.55 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: eh, that really doesnt do it for me |
| 21:59.57 | Kraps | Fisker: http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/129063329633855321.jpg |
| 22:00.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: it would if you saw the ramen. delicious broth, fresh green onions, tender slices of pork |
| 22:01.45 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane: dont like pork, but thanks for playing |
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| 22:23.35 | kd3 | hm... do I go NAS for my next raid? |
| 22:24.18 | Kalroth | network array storage? |
| 22:24.25 | kd3 | ya |
| 22:24.33 | Kalroth | oh wait that is SAN |
| 22:24.56 | kd3 | that's fibre channel/multi-path/... |
| 22:24.57 | Kalroth | tries to figure out what NAS is in context of wow raids |
| 22:25.54 | Kalroth | well it's an autogreet addon, but .. |
| 22:26.28 | Thunder_Child | wrong raid |
| 22:26.30 | Thunder_Child | failure |
| 22:27.47 | Kalroth | I was being sarcastic when I suggested network array storage (it really is network attacked storage) :( |
| 22:28.53 | Thunder_Child | attacked? |
| 22:29.00 | Thunder_Child | failx2 |
| 22:29.17 | Kalroth | Argh, attached |
| 22:29.20 | Kalroth | brain fart overload |
| 22:29.42 | Kalroth | do you really need that much space in your raid? I mean, grab four WD green 2TB disks and run them in RAID10 for super performance and lots of space! |
| 22:29.52 | Kalroth | (and low power and low noise) |
| 22:30.13 | kd3 | that's (the wd green 2TB drive) what I was looking at, actually >.> |
| 22:30.21 | Kalroth | I got one now, it's awesome |
| 22:30.31 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt touch consumer drives for a raid |
| 22:30.52 | Kalroth | I think we've been over this before Arrowmaster :P |
| 22:31.00 | Arrowmaster | i think we have too |
| 22:31.04 | kd3 | what's the 'i' in 'raid'? |
| 22:31.16 | Arrowmaster | inexpensive |
| 22:31.19 | kd3 | ding ding ding |
| 22:31.36 | Kalroth | kd3: you know what we think of logic |
| 22:31.39 | Arrowmaster | except the most inexpensive drives dont even work properly in a raid |
| 22:31.52 | kd3 | I'm not talking crap |
| 22:31.53 | Thunder_Child | actually it is independant |
| 22:31.59 | Kalroth | it's both |
| 22:32.01 | Thunder_Child | gdiaf |
| 22:32.02 | kd3 | ~jargon raid |
| 22:32.06 | Dagmar | They will work in a RAID. |
| 22:32.07 | Thunder_Child | they changed it |
| 22:32.12 | Thunder_Child | ~wtf raid |
| 22:32.16 | Kalroth | "RAID, an acronym for redundant array of independent disks or also known as redundant array of inexpensive disks, is a technology that allows high levels of storage reliability from low-cost and less reliable PC-class disk-drive components, via the technique of arranging the devices into arrays for redundancy." |
| 22:32.17 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 22:32.40 | Dagmar | Now, if you go and buy drives from five different manufacturers of multiple speeds and sizes and expect that to work, the problem is that you're an idiot. |
| 22:32.55 | Kalroth | Dagmar: it will work :P |
| 22:33.00 | Dagmar | But, five WD disks of the same model and date of manufacture should pose no great problems. |
| 22:33.17 | Dagmar | Kalroth: doesn't change that the person doing that is an idiopt |
| 22:33.43 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Of course, it's like getting different ram speeds/models and expecting to dual channel it without issues ;) |
| 22:33.46 | Arrowmaster | other than that the recent consumer stuff that isnt ment for enterprise level work actually causes hardware raid controllers to think the drive has failed |
| 22:34.05 | Kalroth | who's talking about enterprise level work? |
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| 22:34.27 | Dagmar | Kalroth: Execpt with mismatched spanning, performance will only suffer. Screwing around with DDR and tempting fate is just going to crash |
| 22:34.34 | Arrowmaster | i only mention enterprise because there is nothing between enterprise and consumer |
| 22:34.46 | Kalroth | enterprises are consumers too! |
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| 22:35.22 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Potato potatoes |
| 22:35.27 | Dagmar | We've got two people here populating hardware raid with "consumer" drives |
| 22:35.31 | Dagmar | They're getting by just fine |
| 22:36.03 | Kalroth | like kd3 said, raid was MADE for "consumer" drives. |
| 22:36.05 | Dagmar | If something about that makes the controller think there's a failure that didn't actually happen, the controller has failed. |
| 22:36.13 | kd3 | ooh, a 4KB block size green |
| 22:36.24 | kd3 | makes sure mkfs is fixed before ordering |
| 22:36.26 | Arrowmaster | i went with samsung raid class drives and they have not disappointed me one bit, but ive heard horror stories about the newer high density stuff taking too long and making the hardware controllers think the drive has failed |
| 22:36.28 | Kalroth | kd3: get the 64MB cache version btw! |
| 22:36.35 | kd3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136514 |
| 22:36.37 | kd3 | that one? |
| 22:36.43 | Arrowmaster | kd3: WD? |
| 22:36.48 | Dagmar | Largely, this price tier of "enterprise" just gets you a courier to bring you replacements when the disk fails and better tech support. The failure rates are generally no different from "consumer" disks. |
| 22:36.50 | Kalroth | kd3: yes |
| 22:37.00 | Kalroth | kd3: that one is exactly what I got ;) |
| 22:37.10 | Kalroth | WD20EARS |
| 22:37.20 | Arrowmaster | kd3: the WD's with 4KB report to the OS that they have 512B sectors |
| 22:37.54 | Dagmar | DAmn those are down under $150 already? I didn't expect that for another two months |
| 22:38.27 | Arrowmaster | "However Windows XP (and apparently TiVo) doesn't work well with the new block size. It can be switched back using a jumper, or you can use a program to realign it." |
| 22:38.32 | Arrowmaster | idiot |
| 22:38.37 | Fisker | zomg Arrowmaster |
| 22:38.43 | kd3 | it's newegg comments. what do you expect? |
| 22:38.44 | Arrowmaster | the jumper doesnt switch it back |
| 22:38.46 | Fisker | i've seen point and click adventures with more action |
| 22:38.52 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Ther'es more idiots than thta posting reviews. hehe |
| 22:38.54 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: there is a notice on the drive about having to use some special software on Windows XP, but is fine on Vista/7 |
| 22:39.15 | Fisker | noooo kd3 |
| 22:39.20 | Fisker | don't get those pesky green editions |
| 22:39.22 | Fisker | they suck |
| 22:39.25 | Arrowmaster | Kalroth: its because XP can only boot if the partition starts on sector 63 |
| 22:39.33 | Dagmar | "As expected with a power saving hard drive, the performance is lacking when compared to 7200rpm drives." ... his idea of "lacking" apparently means an average transfer rate of 84Mb/s |
| 22:39.35 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: Ah okay |
| 22:40.01 | Kalroth | Dagmar: Yeah, I was curious of that - I got a VelociRaptor and it's ~100MB/s, so 84MB/s seems fine :p |
| 22:40.08 | Arrowmaster | but to align it to the 4KB sectors that are being reported as only 512B you need to start the partition on sector 64 |
| 22:40.11 | Dagmar | 84Mb/s is fucking awesome |
| 22:40.28 | kd3 | well, it's a good thing I'm not going anywhere near xp then |
| 22:40.31 | Dagmar | If that's actually sustained average transfer, it would be epic |
| 22:41.08 | Arrowmaster | kd3: youll need to use the latest tools in linux to get everything aligned properly too |
| 22:41.13 | Fisker | it doesn't matter if it is Dagmar |
| 22:41.29 | kd3 | ya. I'm screwing around with google atm to see how much of it's hit fedora yet |
| 22:41.30 | alestane | http://nerfnow.com/comic/193 |
| 22:42.34 | Kalroth | 4096 bytes in each allocation unit <- for my WD green on Windows 7 |
| 22:42.38 | Arrowmaster | 84MB/s is slow, im used to 600MB/s |
| 22:43.57 | Dagmar | Yeah but there's plenny of 7200 RPM disks out there that roll around at 48Mb/s and consider it good |
| 22:44.15 | Kalroth | 600MB/s is a little unrealistic for a normal consumer system :p |
| 22:44.26 | Kraps | http://shots.snap.com/explore/86135/?key=e5a3c1e6dff5de35b1c6e7c470411886&src=somuchpun.com&cp=pub-logo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwordpress.com%2Fsnap |
| 22:44.30 | Dagmar | It's a bit much to expect from most raid controllers. Heh |
| 22:44.41 | Kalroth | ICH10R can pull it off, but that's also about it |
| 22:44.44 | Arrowmaster | Kalroth: yeah having an 8x PCI-e raid controller isnt normal consumer equipment |
| 22:44.48 | Kalroth | (onboard controller) |
| 22:46.05 | Kalroth | "The EVGA X58 SLI uses the ICH10R controller. With my 3x 120GB OCZ Vertex SSD drives in RAID 0, I seem to max it out at 660MB/s read/write" |
| 22:46.15 | Kalroth | so the RAID controller isn't the issue :) |
| 22:46.53 | Arrowmaster | i still need to fix my RAID 1 |
| 22:47.45 | alestane | http://nerfnow.com/comic/171 |
| 22:51.17 | Fisker | thinks people who get green power editions are silly |
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| 22:54.04 | Cide | hi |
| 22:54.10 | Kraps | is this real? http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/facebook-fail-bill-gates.png?w=500&h=390 |
| 22:54.37 | Cide | nope |
| 22:58.03 | Fisker | is this real? http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/facebook-fail-bill-gates.png?w=500&h=390 |
| 22:59.11 | Kraps | [05:56:03]<Fisker>i like you Kraps |
| 22:59.12 | Kraps | [05:56:06]<Fisker>do you like me? |
| 22:59.17 | Kraps | fuck no |
| 23:00.09 | Fisker | why not? |
| 23:00.11 | Fisker | jerk? |
| 23:02.49 | Kraps | just because |
| 23:02.58 | Fisker | just cause* |
| 23:04.24 | Kraps | http://www.guforums.com/showthread.php?t=14745 |
| 23:04.33 | Kraps | er |
| 23:04.59 | Kraps | http://gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20100402 |
| 23:07.42 | Fisker | ? |
| 23:25.19 | Kraps | http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129147022889816404.jpg |
| 23:25.39 | kd3 | hey bibi, you broke the copy servers |
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| 23:31.59 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 23:32.36 | Kraps | http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129138788053303337.jpg |
| 23:33.05 | Fisker | fail Kraps |
| 23:35.29 | Bibi | [01:25:37] <kd3> hey bibi, you broke the copy servers |
| 23:35.29 | Bibi | :( |
| 23:35.38 | Bibi | it's always my fault, right? :( |
| 23:36.04 | kd3 | glances at the front pages of various news sites |
| 23:36.05 | kd3 | >.> |
| 23:36.18 | Fisker | why are eu citizens always second rate Bibi ? |
| 23:36.25 | Bibi | duh |
| 23:36.30 | Bibi | first you pretend that I crashed the PTR copy |
| 23:36.32 | Bibi | and after that |
| 23:36.37 | Bibi | you pretend that there are other news sites??????? |
| 23:36.40 | Bibi | what the fuck is wrong with you? |
| 23:37.14 | Dagmar | You're the one who shouted "BETA!" on a crowded queue |
| 23:37.54 | Kraps | ^ |
| 23:37.56 | kd3 | also, blizz usually lets us copy to a blizzcon event server; though it is about 6 months early now ;) |
| 23:38.02 | Bibi | Blizzard is the one who shouted Blizzcon Event |
| 23:38.14 | Fisker | Blizzcon in a week kd3 |
| 23:39.12 | Kraps | cata in 2 days? |
| 23:39.44 | Bibi | who knows |
| 23:39.45 | foxlit | sc2, yesterday |
| 23:39.56 | Bibi | (please please please god don't make them postpone it again) |
| 23:40.03 | Bibi | (I said Alpha in April) |
| 23:40.06 | Bibi | (my users will rape me.) |
| 23:40.14 | Fisker | no alpha anyway |
| 23:41.30 | Bibi | yes alpha |
| 23:41.30 | Bibi | :( |
| 23:41.41 | kd3 | it'll be maybe a week long |
| 23:41.43 | Kraps | 2 days bibi. you've been warned /rides away on motorcycle |
| 23:44.13 | Fisker | no alpha anyway |
| 23:51.02 | Arrowmaster | great now curse isnt letting me login so i cant report this comment on the cartographer page |
