| 00:01.35 | Gintaro | I havent been kicked yet for wearing T2 which is a bit suprising |
| 00:01.47 | Gintaro | I guess people don't really care about damage anymore :P |
| 00:02.02 | DWSR | All you need is a tank and healer in group. |
| 00:02.03 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 00:02.10 | Shirik | apparently it's going down |
| 00:02.12 | DWSR | Tank and healer do more damage than most heroics were designed for. |
| 00:02.17 | Gintaro | Uhuh DWSR the rest is just for show |
| 00:02.38 | DWSR | Or brevity. |
| 00:02.55 | Gintaro | Nah, for show, they fall down in PoS etc |
| 00:03.00 | Kraps | down as in...? |
| 00:03.04 | Shirik | I'm going to do an RFA |
| 00:03.10 | DWSR | Kraps: Off the side. |
| 00:03.14 | Gintaro | :P |
| 00:03.24 | Kraps | YES! |
| 00:03.59 | Kraps | EVERYONE VOTESPAM SHIRIKS RFA! |
| 00:04.04 | Shirik | rofl no |
| 00:04.07 | Gintaro | what's RFA? |
| 00:04.08 | Shirik | that's a great way for it to get thrown out |
| 00:04.59 | Kraps | i know :) |
| 00:05.45 | Gintaro | request for ? |
| 00:05.49 | Gintaro | assimilation? |
| 00:05.53 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:05.54 | alestane | Action. |
| 00:05.59 | Shirik | that is surprisingly accurate, Gintaro |
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| 00:06.11 | Gintaro | It was either that or Anal |
| 00:06.17 | Shirik | that is less accurate |
| 00:06.19 | Trela | O_O |
| 00:06.26 | Trela | No thank you! |
| 00:06.43 | Kraps | but it comes out to the same thing eventually |
| 00:07.28 | DWSR | http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1983883,00.html |
| 00:08.04 | Kraps | who would want to get with him? |
| 00:08.20 | Kraps | he could keel over any second |
| 00:09.54 | Trela | Kraps: So he dies and that person gets the money. |
| 00:10.03 | Kraps | :/ |
| 00:10.06 | DWSR | ^ |
| 00:10.14 | Kraps | Shirik: is it up yet? |
| 00:10.19 | Shirik | no |
| 00:10.31 | Shirik | it might not be up for a while, I was hoping for a particular co-nom and he's not online right now |
| 00:10.37 | Shirik | but my nominator's writing it up right now |
| 00:10.49 | Kraps | schweet |
| 00:18.40 | Kraps | leveling in bgs is slow |
| 00:19.03 | Gintaro | s/bgs// |
| 00:19.15 | DWSR | leveling in is slow? |
| 00:19.52 | Gintaro | it's late, my eyes are playing tricks on me |
| 00:20.06 | alestane | cheers! |
| 00:20.15 | Cidwel | finaly I've got my secureframe to show or hide if I'm pressing a modifier key regardless I'm in combat or not, but now I want to call a :Hide function of that frame if I click a button. Someone knows if I have to make a securebutton too? I tried with frame:Execute("self:hide()") without any result :S |
| 00:20.19 | alestane | All done farming rugged leather. |
| 00:20.57 | alestane | If you want to hide a secure frame based on a button click, you'll need to use a SecureHandlerClickTemplate. |
| 00:22.50 | Cidwel | I'll check that alestane, thanks! |
| 00:25.11 | alestane | Set a frameref on it to the frame you want shown/hidden. Then set the click handler's "_onclick" attribute to something like [[toggleFrame = self:GetFrameRef("yourRefName");if toggleFrame:IsShown() then toggleFrame:Hide() else toggleFrame:Show() end]]. |
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| 00:27.29 | Thunder_Child | anyone know what the neutral AH cut is? |
| 00:27.50 | Cidwel | many thanks alestane, I was reading the wowwik info too |
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| 00:28.12 | alestane | There is also a sticky on the WoW forum about secure handlers, Cidwel. |
| 00:30.23 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i think twice the regular |
| 00:31.10 | Gintaro | wtb cross faction mail |
| 00:31.21 | Thunder_Child | there is, but only for BoA :( |
| 00:31.35 | Gintaro | I'm sure blizzard can employ some goblins for that |
| 00:32.00 | Gintaro | translation fee to prevent abuse and voila |
| 00:34.33 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: 'think'? |
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| 00:36.26 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: wikipedia says: Thoughts are forms created in the mind, rather than the forms perceived through the five senses. Thought and thinking are the processes by which these imaginary sense perceptions arise and are manipulated. Thinking allows beings to model the world and to represent it according to their objectives, plans, ends and desires. Words referring to similar concepts and... |
| 00:36.28 | Kraps | ...processes include cognition, sentience, consciousness, ideas, and imagination. |
| 00:39.54 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: wiktionary says "Asshole: A jerk; an inappropriately or objectionably mean, inconsiderate, contemptible, obnoxious, intrusive, or rude person" |
| 00:40.40 | Thunder_Child | though i do think it is defining me |
| 00:41.08 | Gintaro | lol failbook without javascript/cookies is failing |
| 00:41.54 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: Shakespeare says: [Thine] breath stinks with eating toasted cheese. |
| 00:44.57 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: he also says "I would my horse had the speed of your tongue, and so good a continuer." |
| 00:45.13 | Kraps | XD |
| 00:45.24 | Wobin | ~seen zariel |
| 00:45.26 | purl | zariel <n=chris@philbannister.plus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 282d 8h 53m 8s ago, saying: 'I dont want to use ace3 which will tripple the size of the addon'. |
| 00:45.32 | Wobin | =\ |
| 00:46.10 | Kraps | 282d |
| 00:46.13 | Kraps | nice |
| 00:47.33 | Ashenar | Woot, got my mod working ;) |
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| 00:48.21 | Ashenar | thanks all, later ;) |
| 00:51.33 | Kraps | http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/funny-facebook-meta-title.png?w=492&h=774 |
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| 00:59.00 | Cidwel | :S |
| 01:04.38 | Shirik | Kraps: it's up btw |
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| 01:30.42 | DWSR | Shirik: you're going for wp admin? |
| 01:30.56 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 01:31.14 | Shirik | yes, but please if you don't mind, don't get involved (that can look really bad on my part) |
| 01:31.23 | DWSR | Oh, heh |
| 01:31.25 | Shirik | that's not anything against you |
| 01:31.26 | bluspacecow | wp ? |
| 01:31.32 | DWSR | No, I understand. |
| 01:31.39 | DWSR | I'm not a registered WP user. |
| 01:32.28 | DWSR | I may vandalize your talk page sometime in the near future, saying Good luck. |
| 01:32.31 | kd3 | wait, wait... you've got editfilter access but you're not a sysop? |
| 01:32.33 | DWSR | That's about it. |
| 01:32.51 | Shirik | kd3: Yup |
| 01:32.57 | Shirik | I've had it since January |
| 01:33.07 | DWSR | Shirik: srslytho, good luck. :) |
| 01:33.08 | Shirik | I am one of about 4 people in all of enwiki that has edit filter access without being a sysop |
| 01:33.17 | DWSR | Hope you get it. |
| 01:33.21 | Shirik | thanks :P |
| 01:33.34 | DWSR | I'm srsbzniz on that vandalism, btw. |
| 01:33.39 | DWSR | Expect that shit when you least expect it. |
| 01:34.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:35.10 | DWSR | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129165194346945711.jpg |
| 01:36.28 | bluspacecow | o baby |
| 01:37.04 | DWSR | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129158898208921685.jpg |
| 01:37.16 | DWSR | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129158963505484185.jpg |
| 01:37.35 | Shirik | omg |
| 01:37.37 | Shirik | I want one of those TV hats |
| 01:37.52 | DWSR | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129161629644829391.jpg |
| 01:38.32 | Cidwel | If I want to use xml to create a securehandlerclicktemplate, where should I put :SetFrameRef? on a OnLoad event? |
| 01:38.57 | DWSR | [21:38:32] <Cidwel>If I want to use xml <-- FAIL |
| 01:39.09 | DWSR | ucwutididthar? :) |
| 01:39.39 | Cidwel | derp, there's a limitation to use that? |
| 01:39.42 | bluspacecow | your subtly escapes me |
| 01:40.21 | DWSR | Cidwel: I suppose I should elaborate. |
| 01:40.27 | DWSR | It's not really so bad to use XML. |
| 01:40.38 | DWSR | It's just fail so far beyond even Shirik's fail. |
| 01:40.41 | Cidwel | ;_; |
| 01:40.42 | DWSR | :P |
| 01:40.46 | Shirik | lmao |
| 01:41.04 | A-KO | watching Cops, this guy is an idiot |
| 01:41.11 | DWSR | There's no reason to use XML anymore. |
| 01:41.11 | A-KO | he hit the spike strip, all 4 tires gone, and he is still trying to get away |
| 01:41.21 | Shirik | what else would you do |
| 01:41.23 | DWSR | A-KO: Obviously he doesn't play enough need for speed. |
| 01:41.24 | Shirik | when you give up you lose |
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| 01:41.37 | A-KO | Shirik: yeah but, when you hit the spike strips, you already lost lol |
| 01:42.08 | DWSR | Cidwel: XML used to be very useful before we have CreateFrame() inside of the WoW Lua environment. Now that we can create frames purely within Lua /very/ easily, there's no reason to use XML. |
| 01:42.15 | Shirik | ^ |
| 01:42.23 | Shirik | it used to be necessary |
| 01:42.25 | Shirik | not anymore |
| 01:42.32 | Cidwel | ... BAWWWWW |
| 01:42.43 | Cidwel | it's time to learn how to -.- |
| 01:42.47 | A-KO | I like it for splitting the logic from the display |
| 01:42.52 | A-KO | but that's just me |
| 01:42.57 | DWSR | A-KO: Baddie. :P |
| 01:43.01 | bluspacecow | que the lua bot with URLs ! |
| 01:43.03 | A-KO | why? |
| 01:43.09 | DWSR | I'm joking, relax. |
| 01:43.18 | A-KO | lol, I dunno, I just like having that separation :P |
| 01:43.25 | DWSR | Yeah, I can understand that. |
| 01:43.27 | Xyphoid | i was wondering about that, ta |
| 01:43.30 | DWSR | Though, I imagine you're a web developer. |
| 01:43.31 | DWSR | :P |
| 01:51.25 | Cidwel | ...i cannot use a simple setbackdrop using lua -.- |
| 01:51.35 | DWSR | Of course you can. |
| 01:52.08 | Cidwel | I checking wowprogramming but I think it's easier with tools like wowuidev |
| 01:52.16 | Cidwel | or addonstudio |
| 01:52.22 | DWSR | ~Cidwel-- |
| 01:52.40 | DWSR | Mention those things being positive again and I swear to God I'll sick Fisker on you |
| 01:53.22 | Cidwel | ...dear why to learn things when you can get them easily -.- |
| 01:53.35 | Cidwel | okay, I'll learn |
| 01:54.09 | DWSR | Cidwel: Because AddonStudio and WoWUIDev are both not up to date and both shit in the extreme. |
| 01:54.31 | DWSR | Even when they /were/ up to date, they sucked. |
| 01:54.55 | DWSR | btw. |
| 01:54.55 | DWSR | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetBackdrop |
| 01:55.06 | DWSR | Of course you can SetBackdrop on a frame via Lua. |
| 01:55.51 | kd3 | oh wow. haven't seen that in a while |
| 01:55.54 | kd3 | wow hit the memory limit |
| 01:55.58 | bluspacecow | you'ld spend more time correcting mistakes with those 2 tools then actually using them IMHO |
| 01:56.03 | DWSR | ^ |
| 01:56.22 | bluspacecow | its like |
| 01:56.27 | bluspacecow | when i starting using front page |
| 01:56.31 | bluspacecow | *shivver* |
| 01:56.39 | DWSR | lol,. |
| 01:56.42 | bluspacecow | spent hours correcting the dumb shit html it would generate |
| 01:56.45 | DWSR | It's so bad, it's inducing bad grammar. |
| 02:00.11 | Gintaro | Isn't it the same with anything that's generated? |
| 02:00.26 | Gintaro | You could do it better manually but it would just take more time |
| 02:00.26 | DWSR | No. |
| 02:00.36 | Gintaro | hell, even GCC has that |
| 02:00.52 | DWSR | Gintaro: This isn't generation of code so much as generation of pure fail. |
| 02:01.02 | DWSR | the code it spits out is inaccurate.\ |
| 02:01.05 | Gintaro | There's that :P |
| 02:01.16 | DWSR | It's also sometimes syntactically /wrong/. |
| 02:01.22 | DWSR | syntactically(sp?) |
| 02:01.24 | batbot | DWSR, syntactically is correct. |
| 02:01.26 | DWSR | Nice. |
| 02:01.29 | DWSR | ^5 batbot. |
| 02:01.30 | Gintaro | :P |
| 02:02.06 | Gintaro | off to bed |
| 02:02.10 | DWSR | nn |
| 02:02.14 | DWSR | btw Shirix. |
| 02:02.16 | Gintaro | oyasumi |
| 02:02.22 | DWSR | SHIRIKS |
| 02:02.27 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:02.30 | DWSR | THE SHIRIK WHO IS MULTIPLE |
| 02:02.35 | DWSR | are you multiple? |
| 02:04.15 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 02:04.20 | bluspacecow | addons not updated in 3 weeks |
| 02:04.29 | bluspacecow | *meh* none are broken :) |
| 02:13.04 | DWSR | Haven't been any serious UI changes in...a few patches? |
| 02:13.05 | DWSR | 3.2? |
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| 02:16.35 | Thunder_Child | you know, i think trade chat ~= 4chan |
| 02:16.43 | Shirik | are you sure? |
| 02:16.46 | Shirik | They're pretty damn close |
| 02:17.03 | Thunder_Child | uhh...~= means roughly equal to |
| 02:17.06 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:17.11 | Shirik | I thought you meant "not equal to" |
| 02:17.17 | Thunder_Child | ~= |
| 02:17.19 | Shirik | which it is in Lua |
| 02:17.19 | Thunder_Child | != |
| 02:17.21 | Thunder_Child | * |
| 02:17.24 | Shirik | lua> 1 ~= 2 |
| 02:17.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: true |
| 02:19.04 | Shirik | DWSR: I didn't expect it to go this smoothly ._. |
| 02:19.14 | Arrowmaster | â |
| 02:19.27 | Arrowmaster | almost equal to |
| 02:19.31 | Shirik | and no, I am not multiple |
| 02:20.42 | Kraps | damn you Lindsey Lohan |
| 02:21.39 | Thunder_Child | ...that is such an open ended statment there Kraps |
| 02:22.59 | Shirik | kraps |
| 02:23.02 | Shirik | it's up |
| 02:23.30 | Kraps | 15 supports already |
| 02:23.33 | Shirik | uh |
| 02:23.35 | Shirik | count again |
| 02:23.36 | Kraps | 22 |
| 02:23.51 | Kraps | slow template is slow |
| 02:23.54 | Shirik | I told you that oppose was going to come in though |
| 02:23.58 | Shirik | it's actually a bot that updates it |
| 02:25.29 | kd3 | aspect weaver, the snowmaggeddon, and FSM |
| 02:25.32 | kd3 | diverse tastes, that |
| 02:25.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:25.53 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: just voicing my displeasure at the way she's turned out |
| 02:26.04 | Shirik | FSM was actually a copyedit |
| 02:26.11 | Shirik | I have so many edits on it because the article is so fucking long |
| 02:26.27 | Shirik | actually |
| 02:26.31 | Shirik | it's gotten shorter since I CEd it |
| 02:26.32 | Shirik | huh |
| 02:27.31 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: why would you even care? the music is still entertaining |
| 02:27.50 | Kraps | hmm? |
| 02:28.27 | DWSR | Shirik: You get your admin? |
| 02:28.35 | Shirik | it will be open for 7 days, DWSR |
| 02:28.42 | Shirik | but it's already going very well |
| 02:28.43 | DWSR | :) |
| 02:28.45 | kd3 | unless someone takes the rightnow vote seriously |
| 02:28.56 | Shirik | Basically if I'm over 70% I'm safe |
| 02:30.16 | Shirik | actually kd3 |
| 02:30.26 | Shirik | ironically, about 8 hours ago I /did/ have an admin account |
| 02:30.36 | DWSR | Shirik |
| 02:30.36 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d7E1HG4WFI&feature=related |
| 02:30.40 | Shirik | whhich is one of the things that prompted this |
| 02:31.01 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=&user=&page=User:TorNodeBot&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1 |
| 02:31.17 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:32.45 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: about lohan |
| 02:33.04 | Wobin | ugh |
| 02:33.07 | Wobin | worst PoS tank ever |
| 02:33.14 | Wobin | I died twice on the cave run as the healer |
| 02:33.28 | Wobin | possibly because he felt all he needed to maintain aggro was his sparkling personality |
| 02:33.47 | Wobin | so I'm running along -beside- him with aggro |
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| 02:52.55 | DWSR | Shirik: Good to know. :) |
| 02:53.27 | Shirik | ? |
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| 03:24.23 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: oh i agree the music is entertaining, but she was also one one of the least sucky kid/teen movie stars ever |
| 03:24.46 | Kraps | and it makes me mad |
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| 03:27.21 | Kraps | Shirik |
| 03:27.27 | Shirik | kraps |
| 03:27.39 | Kraps | "Seems too good to be true" |
| 03:27.44 | Shirik | I saw that, lol |
| 03:33.33 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 03:33.40 | Shirik | Lightning from like 2 miles away just shook my house |
| 03:37.32 | Dagmar | Hope you've got a nice UPS |
| 03:38.43 | Shirik | I have a laptop |
| 03:39.08 | Shirik | but actually, it is extremely rare for my power to go out, and when it does go out, it usually is one of the first places to come back |
| 03:39.16 | Shirik | because I live right next to the airport, FPL pays special attention to us |
| 03:40.10 | kd3 | gack |
| 03:40.14 | kd3 | my raid is 91% full |
| 03:40.22 | kd3 | ponders his next step |
| 03:40.26 | Dagmar | Not when I went |
| 03:40.30 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
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| 03:59.53 | Gnarfoz | <@Shirik> but actually, it is extremely rare for my power to go out, and when it does go out, it usually is one of the first places to come back <-- the frequency with which "us Europeans" read US-based people write about power outages still seems ridiculous, from my vantage point |
| 04:00.10 | Shirik | I've heard that before |
| 04:00.16 | Shirik | I'm curious, are all your powerlines underground? |
| 04:00.27 | Shirik | in VA, mine were, and we basically never saw a power outage |
| 04:00.32 | Shirik | I don't rememer one, at least |
| 04:00.38 | Gnarfoz | mostly, save the long-distance stuff |
| 04:00.50 | Shirik | yeah and that surely has failovers |
| 04:00.55 | Gnarfoz | most certainly |
| 04:01.15 | Gnarfoz | and it's high up, on big, sturdy masts etc |
| 04:02.57 | Kraps | http://kotaku.com/5524060/a-compendium-of-lame-excuses-from-the-banned |
| 04:03.56 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: most united statesians agree that our power situation is the stupidest thing evar |
| 04:07.04 | Kraps | also i want to start a campaign to make our plural address "United Statesians" |
| 04:17.36 | Arrowmaster | longest my power has been out was 5 days |
| 04:17.48 | Arrowmaster | but you guys all know that since i spent the entire time in here bitching about it |
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| 04:20.35 | Arrowmaster | http://xkcd.com/732/ im confused about the alt text |
| 04:20.46 | Arrowmaster | when have we ever had 60fps camcorders? |
| 04:20.58 | Arrowmaster | 60 frames per second |
| 04:21.31 | Corrodias | i dunno, i suppose 30 is common for those |
| 04:21.34 | Corrodias | ? |
| 04:21.49 | Arrowmaster | in interlaced crap yeah |
| 04:23.07 | Thunder_Child | 60 is common |
| 04:25.04 | Arrowmaster | 60 frames per second progressive? |
| 04:25.22 | Arrowmaster | i know some brand new digital camcorders still fucking use interlaced |
| 04:25.31 | Arrowmaster | like what the fuck |
| 04:25.50 | Shirik | Kraps: Awesome |
| 04:26.44 | tekkub | all I know is that after years on the computer, I watched a good old fasioned toobe tv with the nasty 30fps interlaced and it made my eyes burn |
| 04:27.46 | Arrowmaster | thats displayed at 60hz |
| 04:37.27 | Kraps | such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww&feature=player_embedded |
| 04:38.43 | Kraps | I like turtles |
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| 04:41.10 | Shirik | I'm now 30-1 ._. |
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| 04:42.54 | Gnarfoz | you're 29? |
| 04:43.04 | krka | hah, you're slightly older than me, mr old man |
| 04:43.24 | krka | and you probably always will be |
| 04:46.39 | Thunder_Child | not probably |
| 04:48.40 | krka | there's always space travel at high speeds which could affect relative ages |
| 04:50.03 | Kraps | Shirik: newyorkbrad delivers |
| 04:50.19 | Kraps | again |
| 04:50.33 | Kraps | er my bad |
| 04:50.49 | Kraps | i thought the wall of text was him :( |
| 04:52.13 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:55.40 | Kraps | night |
| 04:57.07 | Dagmar | krka: No, it doesn't. |
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| 05:00.55 | Wobin | I feel stupid wearing my spriest T9 shoulders on my disc priest |
| 05:01.13 | Wobin | but it's still better than my lvl200 shoulders |
| 05:01.22 | Wobin | (and remarkably, doesn't have hit on it) |
| 05:03.35 | Amarande | maaaaaan, curse the airline pilots union :| so much for the ascension of such neat looking gadgets as the Nexus One and iPad :| |
| 05:04.21 | Dagmar | Eh? |
| 05:04.28 | Dagmar | They've banned them entirely from planes now? |
| 05:04.30 | Torhal | Dagmar: More consipracy theories |
| 05:04.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: the airline pilots union is pushing for even more stupid restrictions on things with lithium based batteries |
| 05:04.55 | Amarande | it will basically be, if it isn't the case already, that you can't check your PSP or your iPod or such because of the battery |
| 05:05.03 | Amarande | and there *is* already a limit of 2 devices per passenger carryon |
| 05:05.07 | Dagmar | lol |
| 05:05.12 | Amarande | this means a lot of people who might otherwise have gone for the N1 or the iPad |
| 05:05.22 | Amarande | will be forced to go for the iPhone instead, simply to keep their device count compliant |
| 05:05.24 | Dagmar | When I get out of the shower I have less than two devices on me |
| 05:05.34 | Amarande | let's put it this way |
| 05:05.49 | Dagmar | I'm taking the goddamn train next time I go to visit San Francisco |
| 05:05.54 | Amarande | your cell phone already has a LIon battery, most likely. you probably also regard your cell phone as a necessity rather than a luxury when traveling |
| 05:06.03 | Amarande | this means you can bring *one* other device |
| 05:06.15 | Dagmar | My cell phone is with me on exactly the same footing as my wallet |
| 05:06.16 | Amarande | at all, since you won't be able to check a third |
| 05:06.21 | Dagmar | ...and serves basically the same function |
| 05:06.39 | Amarande | I'll have to decide between the PSP and the iPod, and chances are a lot of people will already have a designated second device (like a laptop) |
| 05:06.44 | Dagmar | Won't be able to check a third? |
| 05:06.56 | Amarande | and thus will be FORCED to choose iPhone, so that they can fold music player and cell phone together into one |
| 05:07.05 | Dagmar | You mean they won't even let you stick 'em in your luggage to be stolen during searches? |
| 05:07.10 | Amarande | Dagmar: they want to ban LIon battery powered devices entirely from checked luggage |
| 05:07.25 | Amarande | they already banned regular lithium batteries, apparently, but now they're grousing that LIons are too dangerous too |
| 05:07.36 | Dagmar | I suspect they're going to get some NASTY pushback from the tech sector over that one |
| 05:07.46 | Dagmar | Demands that someone prove something, etc etc |
| 05:08.07 | Amarande | Yeah, it's really going to put a huge damper on the tech sector for anyone who isn't Apple and isn't making laptops :| |
| 05:08.11 | Dagmar | Granted, I trust FedEx to get my shit there overnight better than I do some airlines |
| 05:08.26 | Amarande | Google? Sorry, Nexus One, but it's not the iPhone and now people won't be able to bring their Touch alongside their phone without having to leave the laptop home too |
| 05:08.27 | Dagmar | s/some/most/; |
| 05:08.52 | Amarande | Sony? Sorry, PSP, but you're not a phone or a laptop, and thus will have to be left behind (thus losing one of the major benefits of being a portable altogether) |
| 05:09.15 | Amarande | Now they'll probably have to retool all kinds of devices altogether to use different types of batteries |
| 05:09.26 | Corrodias | i suppose the best thing to do when you fly is A) try to find some other way besides flying, and B) bring a book |
| 05:09.27 | Amarande | Cost will go up, and UMD PSP games will probably become utterly worthless |
| 05:09.42 | Torhal | So lithium batteries can cause pilot paralysis during flight? |
| 05:09.45 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:09.49 | Dagmar | Books are for people who hate nature |
| 05:09.51 | Amarande | since I'm sure any future PSP's will be based on the Go, which already doesn't have a disc drive |
| 05:10.04 | Corrodias | they're not going to re-engineer thousands of devices just so you can listen to music for a few hours while you fly |
| 05:10.14 | Amarande | Corrodias: who knows, they might |
| 05:10.15 | Dagmar | Amarande: That's somewhat read as "Sony is getting out of the handheld video game market" |
| 05:10.19 | Corrodias | (never mind that, if we had a better battery, we'd already be using it) |
| 05:10.25 | Dagmar | No one bought the Go. |
| 05:10.30 | Amarande | Corrodias: since a lot of people won't buy portables if they can't use it while traveling |
| 05:10.51 | Dagmar | Sales on it made dog poop look like it was flying off the shelves |
| 05:11.01 | Corrodias | you know what, i could argue, but i hope you're right. i want portable devices to die. |
| 05:11.06 | Corrodias | they've just annoyed me since forever. |
| 05:11.20 | Dagmar | I want embedded devices, but until I have that, I have a sackful of fiddly little electronics |
| 05:11.21 | Amarande | unless it's people like me and other diehard RPG geeks, who have portable gaming consoles because the good non-MMOs aren't being made for full-screen devices much anymore |
| 05:12.18 | Amarande | unless it's time for RPG geeks to suck it up and move on to FPS and DMC-style action games :| |
| 05:12.22 | Dagmar | Bluetooth earpiece, cell-phone-slash-PDA, mp3 player, a few thumb drives, my laptop... |
| 05:12.35 | Amarande | Dagmar: if it doesn't have a LIon, you're okay. |
| 05:12.38 | Corrodias | have you played Arx Fatalis? |
| 05:12.48 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: do you have a link to any of this? |
| 05:12.50 | Amarande | for instance I won't have to worry with my camera, because I only use alkalines and NiMH's with it anyhow |
| 05:12.53 | Dagmar | Everything has LI rechargables now |
| 05:12.54 | Corrodias | that is sort of tangential |
| 05:13.05 | Amarande | Arrow: I wasn't able to research it fully ... it was mentioned to me on another IRC network |
| 05:13.07 | Iriel | I dont think any of the devices I use regularly aren't Lithium Ion |
| 05:13.10 | Dagmar | 3.7v rechargeables are common as paperclips |
| 05:13.39 | Corrodias | i sneer with derision at batteries that don't use lithium |
| 05:13.49 | Dagmar | The MP3 player I have is a "house brand" from Best Buy made by Insignia. It uses a 3.7v rechargeable LIon just like my Palm (only larger) |
| 05:13.53 | Corrodias | tastes good on cereal, too. |
| 05:14.06 | Dagmar | The "MP5" players the chinese are shilling have the same 3.7v battery |
| 05:14.33 | Dagmar | (Hint: Sparkfun sells one just as an item, nothing special, works just the same) |
| 05:14.50 | Dagmar | Some of the ipod things have the same battery in them |
| 05:15.13 | Arrowmaster | oh they moved up from MP4 to MP5 now? |
| 05:15.36 | Wobin | Corrodias, is it worth playing? |
| 05:15.42 | Dagmar | No, it's engrish in the extremem |
| 05:15.54 | Corrodias | yes. but it's a morrowind-era PC game, not a portable console game. |
| 05:16.06 | Wobin | hm, wiki says xbox |
| 05:16.08 | Wobin | as well |
| 05:16.11 | Amarande | Wobin: I think it was for both |
| 05:16.19 | Wobin | oh portable |
| 05:16.19 | Amarande | a fair number of PC games since the Xbox's release have been dual releases |
| 05:16.21 | Dagmar | They're calling them "MP5" because they basically say "we LOVE your intellectual properties!" and stuff the ability to play mp3, divx, Qt, ogg, and anything else they can think of into them |
| 05:16.25 | Wobin | pft, how uses portable? =) |
| 05:16.27 | Corrodias | ah, interesting. i don't know anything about the xbox version. |
| 05:16.28 | Wobin | who |
| 05:16.42 | Dagmar | ...up to and including classic Nintendo emulation on the Sunplus |
| 05:16.53 | Amarande | Wobin: like I said, lately it seems that RPGs are becoming increasingly a portable thing |
| 05:17.04 | Iriel | sleeps |
| 05:17.06 | Amarande | PC has almost entirely gone MMO, and consoles seem to have fallen in love with the DMC-style action genre |
| 05:17.11 | Wobin | I don't play too many games on my iphone |
| 05:17.12 | Dagmar | The number of copyright violations you can find on a piece of kit you got off eBay for $20 is just MIND blowing |
| 05:17.20 | Wobin | I need the battery life for more important things =P |
| 05:17.24 | Dagmar | Copyright and patent violations |
| 05:17.28 | Corrodias | i suppose that makes sense. if the RPG doesn't need the graphics power of a sitting system, then portable just means more people can play it for longer. |
| 05:17.35 | Amarande | Dagmar: you know, it just happens that $20 is also about the price of an anime boot DVD, too :| |
| 05:17.47 | Dagmar | Corrodias: My PSP was pretty much used for one thing. FFTA |
| 05:17.55 | Corrodias | okay |
| 05:18.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: You're getting robbed. They sell 'em in WanChai for $2 |
| 05:18.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh. you know how many of those you'd have to buy to save money when a flight to china costs as much as it does? LOL |
| 05:18.39 | Dagmar | Yeah, but I'm far more likely to get sent there on business |
| 05:18.51 | Dagmar | ..which thankfully is a very low chance now |
| 05:18.51 | Amarande | (and then you don't save any money when Customs sees the giant pile of bootlegged DVDs and takes them off your hands. :D) |
| 05:18.53 | Amarande | oh wait |
| 05:18.53 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: the rpgs ive seen for portables have been so damn low quality on features youd think they were from 10 years ago though |
| 05:18.56 | Amarande | you do save money |
| 05:19.08 | Amarande | all that rent money you won't need to pay because you'll be in prison where there aren't rent payments :D |
| 05:19.16 | Dagmar | amarande: This is why we have the internets |
| 05:19.22 | Corrodias | wouldn't be surprised. i don't really keep up on game news like i should, so i don't even know what recent non-PC RPGs there are. |
| 05:19.36 | Corrodias | China is still on the internet? |
| 05:19.48 | Dagmar | A Canadian customs inspector asked me the last time I went up there if I planned on pirating any music while I was there, since I had some burned media and a few blanks |
| 05:19.54 | Arrowmaster | there havent been many recent RPGs |
| 05:19.55 | Dagmar | I *almost* asked her "You have music here?" |
| 05:20.06 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:20.07 | Amarande | Dagmar |
| 05:20.25 | Corrodias | heh Amarande |
| 05:20.29 | Amarande | shall we have your local government assign you an inmate number now, just in case? :D |
| 05:20.43 | Dagmar | Instead I told her "Lady there's a frac-T1 going to my apartment. I could have my computers at home pirate enough media to fill my entire suitcase while I'm away. No, I don't intend to manually tote anything digital anywhere." |
| 05:20.56 | Arrowmaster | i would have said something along the lines of "people still pirate music to cd-r's?" |
| 05:21.16 | Dagmar | The whole time I'm thinking to myself I have 800 vinyls and about half as many CDs. |
| 05:21.20 | Dagmar | I have too much music to listen to already |
| 05:21.33 | Amarande | and judging by the amount that came from the days when they still made vinyl much |
| 05:21.33 | Dagmar | Why the hell would I bother pirating more |
| 05:21.40 | Amarande | I'd suspect that you don't really care much for recent music anyway |
| 05:21.49 | Dagmar | Oh yes I do actually |
| 05:21.56 | Dagmar | It just gets a bit harder to acquire on vinyl |
| 05:22.18 | Dagmar | I dont' care much for _pop_ music, which almost never makes it to vinyl and this suits me fine |
| 05:22.23 | Arrowmaster | i only own two vinyls |
| 05:22.37 | Corrodias | i like metal and 80's pop |
| 05:22.59 | Dagmar | I suppose at some point in the next five years I'm going to have to go buy some digital gear, but until then I have mah needles |
| 05:22.59 | Amarande | anyway, I finally found the anime I was interested in on legit DVD |
| 05:23.01 | Amarande | sighs |
| 05:23.07 | Amarande | this is going to cost me about a thousand bucks, all told, for one series |
| 05:23.13 | Amarande | well most of it won't be for the DVDs themselves :S |
| 05:23.25 | haste | owns a bunch vinyl, but not a player. |
| 05:23.27 | Corrodias | Amarande: and that's one good reason not to buy those things... japan likes to overprice them |
| 05:23.36 | Amarande | something more than half of it will doubtless be for a R2 DVD player and the Japanese Rosetta Stone so I can actually understand them |
| 05:23.48 | Amarande | because I rather doubt JPN DVDs are going to have English subs |
| 05:23.56 | haste | (they don't) |
| 05:23.58 | Amarande | (if they did, why would people fansub? heh) |
| 05:23.59 | Corrodias | still, $400 for a single one or two season series? not a chance. |
| 05:24.25 | haste | (and people fansub because no-one else does a proper job after the episode is released) |
| 05:24.25 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: you just about never want to buy anime dvds |
| 05:24.56 | Amarande | also random house are bastards, for licensing the kara no kyoukai novels for a US release and then putting them on "indefinite delay" :| |
| 05:25.25 | Dagmar | Sad reality: There's a better chance of your plane crashing than there is of your iPod exploding while on the flight. |
| 05:25.39 | Dagmar | That alone I think will be hard for the pilots to beat |
| 05:25.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: the pilots are still paranoid about people checking their iPod, apparently |
| 05:25.56 | Amarande | either that, or perhaps even more likely |
| 05:26.02 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: why would you buy an r2 dvd player? its easy to remove region lock |
| 05:26.03 | Dagmar | Then they need to make a decision about whether or not they want a job |
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| 05:26.16 | Amarande | some of these pilots are being instructed by the airlines that employ them to spin doctor against such things in checked baggage |
| 05:26.25 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: ...and you get to break someone's law either way you do it |
| 05:26.34 | Amarande | so that they can aid in the airlines' institution of and collection of carry-on luggage charges |
| 05:26.51 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i already have to break the law to watch my own legally purchased dvds |
| 05:27.08 | Dagmar | ArrowmasteR: yeah I've been down that road |
| 05:27.16 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.18 | Amarande | you know, I wonder how much "union" lobbying is in fact instigated by the employers of said union members, who pressure them to perform said lobbying if they want a job |
| 05:27.53 | Amarande | Or how many of the lobbying pilots work for Spirit Airlines |
| 05:28.01 | Arrowmaster | li-ion batteries explode when heated, checked baggage is kept in a part of the plane that doesnt get heated |
| 05:28.03 | Amarande | it would be somewhat suspicious if there was an unusual number from there ... |
| 05:28.10 | Dagmar | Now that BBCA is finally carrying Dr Who (although a week lagged) I can finally stop torrenting the damn things until they hit market here |
| 05:28.37 | Arrowmaster | i torrent them anyway |
| 05:28.50 | Dagmar | I buy 'em because I want them to make MORE |
| 05:28.51 | Amarande | After all, Spirit Airlines are the ones with the $45 carryon charge. They probably want to provoke the government into laws that all but require people to have a carryon. |
| 05:28.59 | Dagmar | ...especially more with hot Scottish redheads |
| 05:29.09 | Dagmar | wipes a bit of drool |
| 05:29.13 | Arrowmaster | i dont have cable tv or even a tv capable of watching it |
| 05:29.24 | Arrowmaster | hands Dagmar a towel |
| 05:29.35 | Dagmar | Amarande: They don't need to make a law. Just try flying without a carryon sometime |
| 05:29.43 | Dagmar | They REALLY get interested in you |
| 05:29.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: I usually don't fly with a carryon, actually |
| 05:30.11 | Arrowmaster | try flying without a carryon or any checked baggage |
| 05:30.13 | Amarande | I check my bag, and only retain my wallet, my cell phone, my coat (if it's winter), a pen, and sometimes my iPod or PSP |
| 05:30.30 | Dagmar | I'm generally wearing enough metal to set of detectors at range tho |
| 05:30.33 | Dagmar | I *always* get searched |
| 05:31.38 | Arrowmaster | when i was young (like really young preteen) i used to end up getting my carryon searched after it was xrayed every time because of the stuff i had in it |
| 05:31.41 | Amarande | I like to be able to go around the terminal and check out the stuff in the stores without having a suitcase to tote around behind me |
| 05:32.23 | Amarande | I've also heard some pretty major horror stories about carryons |
| 05:32.29 | Amarande | like people who sit on the end seat while waiting for their flight |
| 05:32.40 | Amarande | they (quite naturally and humanly, of course) have their bag next to them, at the end of the row of seats |
| 05:32.44 | Amarande | they turn to talk to the person next to them |
| 05:32.52 | Amarande | and next thing they find their bag has been yoinked by security for "being unattended" |
| 05:33.29 | Arrowmaster | small containers full of saved up quarters for the arcade apparently look like grenades, and small vending machine bags of snacks look like explosives due to the void of space they leave on the xray |
| 05:34.10 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I got one of my suitcases seriously damaged awhile back, which I'm sure was deliberate, because I had my notebook in it with a large note on the outside that says "IF YOU F**K WITH MY LAPTOP, I WILL FIND YOU AND DESTROY YOU." |
| 05:34.11 | Amarande | my checked bag was searched on my way back from Dragon Con last year but I never could figure out what triggered it, unless random check is random |
| 05:34.35 | Amarande | it could have been perhaps the bag from Chessex with all the various sized dice in it looking something odd on an x-ray, I guess |
| 05:34.36 | Dagmar | PRobably looked like it had some interesting toys in it |
| 05:34.48 | Dagmar | travel with the biggest vibrator you can buy |
| 05:34.59 | Amarande | Dagmar: isn't there a line from fight club about that? |
| 05:35.03 | Dagmar | The horror will keep them from digging around too much |
| 05:35.16 | Amarande | "but sometimes it's a dildo. of course we have to say 'a dildo', never 'your dildo'" or something like that heh |
| 05:35.40 | Dagmar | No, in checked baggage, although I suppose in the carryon it would be good for messing with people |
| 05:36.11 | Arrowmaster | until they ask you to turn it on to prove its not a bomb |
| 05:36.22 | Amarande | anyway, I'm still not sure if I'm going to be able to check my PSP this year on my way to D*Con |
| 05:36.25 | Dagmar | I've never had them open my checked baggage in my presence |
| 05:36.40 | Dagmar | Making me turn on a vibrating dildo would be just like begging me to stick it in their face |
| 05:36.46 | Amarande | from what I've heard, the new regulation is "still being lobbied for" |
| 05:36.58 | Amarande | I guess I'm going to have to check the P&PI list again when packing this year |
| 05:37.03 | Amarande | haven't looked at it in a couple years :S |
| 05:37.22 | Arrowmaster | are they trying to limit the items in carryons? |
| 05:37.35 | Amarande | Arrow: there's always been a limit of two LIon electronic devices in carryon, that I know of |
| 05:37.44 | Amarande | the proposed regulation is to ban them entirely from checked luggage |
| 05:37.52 | Amarande | thus meaning you can ONLY bring those two devices on your flight based vacation, at all |
| 05:38.03 | Amarande | well assuming you travel alone anyway |
| 05:38.32 | Amarande | which is why I said the nexus one and iPad's future are particularly threatened |
| 05:38.42 | Amarande | since a lot of people bring a laptop (or a PSP, or such) |
| 05:39.01 | Amarande | and therefore would NEED to specifically pick the iPhone in order to fit the limit without losing functionality they're used to on the go |
| 05:39.35 | Amarande | probably a fair number of folks who bring their laptop (can't check a laptop), their cell, and an iPod |
| 05:39.40 | Amarande | and check their iPod |
| 05:39.45 | Arrowmaster | wow damn my cell phone does use a Li-ion battery, what the fuck |
| 05:39.47 | Amarande | won't be able to do that anymore, your cell will have to be your iPod |
| 05:39.54 | Amarande | which means iPhone or bust |
| 05:40.31 | Gnarfoz | <Dagmar> Instead I told her "Lady there's a frac-T1 going to my apartment. I could have my computers at home pirate enough media to fill my entire suitcase while I'm away. No, I don't intend to manually tote anything digital anywhere." <-- you told her you had slow internet at home and that shut her up? amazing! :D (or maybe "the last time you were up there" was pre-y2k... hm) |
| 05:40.36 | Arrowmaster | i only have one item with a li-ion battery, my cell phone |
| 05:41.28 | Arrowmaster | and dispite what they say about li-ion batteries, my cell phone battery is dying |
| 05:41.37 | Thunder_Child | absconds with Arrowmaster's li-ion battery |
| 05:41.57 | Amarande | I have a cell phone, an iPod (and an iPod I'm very reluctant to trade in for a newer one or an iPhone, because it's one of the lovely old ones that you can actually use with linux if you want without major issue, the new ones have hash72, which is PROTECTED BY LAW from being broken ...), and a PSP |
| 05:42.03 | Amarande | If I get a new cell phone, it will be a N1, not an iPhone |
| 05:42.51 | Amarande | and no, I'm not making it up that the newer iPods' iTunes-lockin system is protected by law, either |
| 05:43.03 | Amarande | Apple actually designed it that way after the last lockin hash system was cracked, and it's totally diabolical |
| 05:43.32 | Arrowmaster | i would never buy an ipod |
| 05:43.49 | Amarande | apparently, they based hash72 on the encryption used in FairPlay DRM |
| 05:44.02 | Amarande | therefore, any attempt to crack it runs into a valid DMCA circumvention claim and gets halted |
| 05:44.58 | Amarande | evil. |
| 05:45.03 | Amarande | pure unadulterated evil. |
| 05:45.24 | Amarande | (WARNING: Evil is not a toy, please keep out of reach of children or pets) |
| 05:45.30 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: after reading scrollback, I'm left with this: you basically say the iPhone is the only mobile phone with an integrade music player? ;D |
| 05:45.55 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: no, but a lot of people have Touches with apps, even if they don't have an iPhone |
| 05:46.02 | Gnarfoz | apps? |
| 05:46.04 | Gnarfoz | it's a music player |
| 05:46.06 | Amarande | they'd be forced to ditch their existing cell phone and get an iPhone to be able to fly and keep their apps |
| 05:46.18 | Gnarfoz | who gives a shit about apps on a music player |
| 05:46.18 | Thunder_Child | i have tons of apps on my touch |
| 05:46.25 | Thunder_Child | <-- |
| 05:46.31 | Gnarfoz | what do they do? |
| 05:46.43 | Thunder_Child | mostly it's data repository |
| 05:46.52 | Thunder_Child | just pure info |
| 05:47.02 | Amarande | I guess the N1 might survive, as Android has plenty of apps |
| 05:47.15 | Thunder_Child | many calcs, a ton of oxford dictionarys |
| 05:47.17 | Amarande | the Touch and iPad stand a chance of being forced into an early grave if this sort of regulation succeeds, though |
| 05:47.20 | Thunder_Child | some games |
| 05:47.46 | Gnarfoz | Amarande: as usual, you're blowing things way out of proportion, tbh |
| 05:47.48 | Amarande | since like I said, people will need to combine their music player/portable app device and their phone in many cases to fit the two carryon device limit |
| 05:48.19 | Gnarfoz | not that it would affect anyone outside the US, anyway |
| 05:50.03 | Amarande | well, I for one will be somewhat annoyed, as I like to have both my iPod and my PSP with me when traveling |
| 05:50.08 | Amarande | though really that's kinda sony's fault |
| 05:50.18 | Amarande | I'd bring just the PSP, I've got plenty of hours worth of game for it |
| 05:50.33 | Amarande | but the effing battery is too weak even with a third party extended life battery :| |
| 05:50.49 | Thunder_Child | plug it in then |
| 05:51.03 | Amarande | I figured it and FF2 would be enough entertainment to last me on the way to Dragon Con last year ... |
| 05:51.17 | Amarande | Ended up buying a book at JFK, because the battery quit on me about a half hour before the flight even boarded :P |
| 05:52.29 | Amarande | T_C: where am I going to plug in a PSP at the airport? :| |
| 05:52.58 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: there are tons of plugs all over, but actually i was talking about during the flight |
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| 06:12.13 | DWSR | Amarande: Also, it's very difficult to enforce that kind of regulation. |
| 06:13.31 | DWSR | "This a LIon device?" |
| 06:13.35 | DWSR | "Nope, NiMH" |
| 06:13.40 | DWSR | "Oh, OK" |
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| 06:16.15 | zenzio | "Antiquated list-style text messaging is easily upgraded to a free iPhone-style app with familiar speech bubble conversations." - like the bubble-conversations are any better o_O |
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| 06:16.23 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 06:16.36 | DWSR | The bubble conversations on the iPhone drive me fucking batty./ |
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| 06:17.13 | Gauntlet | Hello |
| 06:17.19 | zenzio | heya |
| 06:17.21 | DWSR | Oh hai |
| 06:18.16 | Gauntlet | So this one time... |
| 06:18.24 | DWSR | I fucked your mom |
| 06:18.27 | DWSR | and then your sister. |
| 06:18.29 | DWSR | And then your aunt. |
| 06:18.30 | Gauntlet | ....at band camp |
| 06:18.32 | DWSR | Even though she's dead. |
| 06:19.35 | zenzio | for some reason that just made me think of Sexy Losers |
| 06:20.57 | Gauntlet | ? |
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| 06:24.50 | zenzio | poor Gauntlet |
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| 06:32.03 | Corrodias | i wonder if my understanding that milk, butter, cheese, and ice cream are fantastic has anything to do with living in wisconsin. |
| 06:33.09 | zenzio | wow, I didn't realise we were this bad: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1630814&cid=31978816 |
| 06:35.00 | Corrodias | turns out i don't mind when most of the kind of people who post on slashdot don't want to hang around here. |
| 06:35.12 | zenzio | truth |
| 06:35.39 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias: that sounds like socal to me actually |
| 06:36.04 | Corrodias | like what? |
| 06:36.08 | Corrodias | oh, oh |
| 06:36.38 | Thunder_Child | sorry, i meant your previous comment |
| 06:37.05 | Wobin | "All that is true... but it does also have a dark side." |
| 06:37.07 | Wobin | win |
| 06:40.12 | Corrodias | all the best and worst things about IRC can be summed up thusly: "it lets people talk to each other and isn't moderated by a government or corporation" |
| 06:40.35 | Corrodias | also: ascii art |
| 06:40.52 | Corrodias | also: ascii goatse |
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| 06:41.37 | DWSR | Corrodias: OH HAI DER |
| 06:41.45 | DWSR | I CAN HAS CHEEZBURGER? |
| 06:41.48 | DWSR | lolspeak. |
| 06:41.52 | DWSR | The worst thing since IRC. |
| 06:41.58 | Shirik | ^ |
| 06:42.43 | DWSR | You ever read /one/ ICHC comment? |
| 06:42.50 | Thunder_Child | funy you sould say that...i was just having that conversation |
| 06:42.56 | Thunder_Child | funny* |
| 06:43.35 | DWSR | /one/ comment |
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| 07:00.26 | Thunder_Child | ahhhhhh Salami, why do you tempt me so. |
| 07:00.46 | Corrodias | obey the meat |
| 07:00.49 | Corrodias | put it in your mouth |
| 07:01.44 | zenzio | now that's a pick-up line |
| 07:02.12 | Thunder_Child | you're not helping Corrodias |
| 07:06.07 | Shirik | ooooooooooooooo |
| 07:06.08 | Shirik | not cool |
| 07:06.13 | Shirik | family guy just made fun of Contact |
| 07:06.16 | Shirik | that was a good movie :( |
| 07:06.31 | Jamash | s/good/extremely silly/ |
| 07:06.31 | Thunder_Child | it IS |
| 07:06.34 | Thunder_Child | not was |
| 07:06.48 | Thunder_Child | however, you should learn to have a sense of humor about everything |
| 07:07.33 | Adys | http://www.notfunnycartoons.com/toondb/100425.html |
| 07:08.23 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 07:08.24 | purl | ~pong |
| 07:08.37 | Thunder_Child | eww, 5 sec delay |
| 07:10.06 | Shirik | uh |
| 07:10.10 | Shirik | (03:08:21) (Thunder_Child) ~ping |
| 07:10.10 | Shirik | (03:08:22) (purl) ~pong |
| 07:10.26 | Thunder_Child | it's my side |
| 07:10.30 | Thunder_Child | not the servers |
| 07:10.37 | Thunder_Child | [00:08:15] <Thunder_Child> ~ping |
| 07:10.37 | Thunder_Child | [00:08:20] <purl> ~pong |
| 07:10.58 | Shirik | ew |
| 07:11.20 | Thunder_Child | i'm DL'ing the SC2 10 patch |
| 07:11.25 | Thunder_Child | damn 500 mb thing |
| 07:11.40 | Thunder_Child | THE EDITOR SHOULD BE OPTIONAL DAMIT |
| 07:12.17 | Shirik | no |
| 07:12.28 | Shirik | we must force programming languages down peoples' throats |
| 07:12.32 | Shirik | YOU WILL CREATE MAPS |
| 07:12.48 | Thunder_Child | could be worse i suppose, could be in lolcode |
| 07:13.00 | Amarande | whatever happened to the days when editors were sleek 2MB affairs |
| 07:13.03 | Amarande | like DOOM |
| 07:13.22 | Shirik | dude |
| 07:13.31 | Shirik | this is the 21st century |
| 07:13.39 | Shirik | 2MB is enough to store like 1 number |
| 07:13.40 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:13.44 | haste | Qoole (the quake editor) was like.. 600kB? |
| 07:14.19 | haste | or not! |
| 07:14.23 | haste | it's apparantly 2.1M compiled |
| 07:16.49 | Amarande | okay, this Halloween II is hilariously bad |
| 07:16.54 | Amarande | also: I think I've played too much WoW |
| 07:17.16 | Amarande | since after a bit on this kill I was thinking Michael should be seeing "Your target is dead" over and over again well before he's finished stabbing heh |
| 07:19.34 | Amarande | you know, that's also one thing that occurs in horror movies and in the real world that they just haven't let you indulge much in gaming lately :| |
| 07:19.45 | Amarande | as soon as someone dies, their body becomes like, impervious to further bashing and breaking :P |
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| 07:19.52 | Wobin | Dagmar, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2wJDnyd-ow&feature=related |
| 07:19.58 | Amarande | remembers some older FPS where you could keep shooting till they became gibs :| |
| 07:20.31 | haste | soldier of fortune 1 :p > |
| 07:20.45 | haste | also known as the game with death sequences on 30 seconds |
| 07:21.45 | Torhal | Shirik: Before I go torturing myself looking this up - any quick way to get ALSA to allow more than one sound source? IE: WoW and a youtube video? |
| 07:21.57 | Shirik | I never was good with ALSA |
| 07:22.05 | Shirik | the only times it worked for me was when the planets aligned |
| 07:22.17 | Torhal | Bleargh |
| 07:22.31 | Torhal | That's the only thing Ubuntu has over Gentoo - multiple sound sources. |
| 07:22.53 | Torhal | I used to be able to listen to music while still having my WoW sounds down, or even using vent and WoW |
| 07:22.55 | Torhal | Now I can't |
| 07:23.18 | Corrodias | it can't play more than one audio thing at a time? ahahah |
| 07:24.04 | Torhal | Corrodias: Not with the default ALSA configuration |
| 07:27.37 | DWSR | Torhal: Be a man, config your alsa. |
| 07:28.36 | Torhal | DWSR: Eh, that isn't really an issue. I have it configured to go through my Logitech headphones and even have Wine doing the same. I just don't see anything pertaining to multiple concurrent sound sources. |
| 07:32.23 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: dmix plugin |
| 07:33.24 | Amarande | Torhal: there's things you can't do with gentoo? |
| 07:33.28 | haste | Torhal: alsa should handle software mixing from multiple sources by it self as of the last year |
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| 07:33.52 | haste | Torhal: you might have a stall asoundrc config that does something wrong and holster the process tho' :p |
| 07:34.04 | haste | Torhal: or a outdated alsa |
| 07:34.15 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 07:34.31 | haste | Torhal: since you use gentoo, both are a options |
| 07:35.11 | Torhal | Amarande: No, there are things you can't do with any distro if it isn't properly configured/versioned |
| 07:35.26 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Danke, I'll look at what I have |
| 07:35.35 | Torhal | haste: Possibly. I'll check it out. |
| 07:35.45 | Arrowmaster | haste: i couldnt get alsa to automatically do software mixing for me so i had to force it to use dmix in ~/.asoundrc |
| 07:36.42 | Arrowmaster | apparently ive got 1.0.21 or 1.0.22 |
| 07:37.00 | Torhal | haste: NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix for analogue output. Dmix is enabled by default for soundcards which don't support hardware mixing. You still need to set it up for digital outputs. |
| 07:37.15 | Torhal | That's my issue, then. |
| 07:37.28 | Arrowmaster | like i said, it didnt work for me either |
| 07:38.42 | Arrowmaster | mplayer also gave me hell |
| 07:39.46 | Arrowmaster | i had to put this in my mplayer config to keep it from locking the sound device |
| 07:39.49 | Arrowmaster | [ao.alsa] |
| 07:39.51 | Arrowmaster | ao=alsa:noblock:device=default |
| 07:39.54 | haste | uses oss. |
| 07:40.23 | haste | alsa has: 1) LAUD drivers 2) static noise 3) hard-locks my computer |
| 07:40.24 | Arrowmaster | damn thing wasnt using the 'default' device by default but instead accessing the hardware directly |
| 07:40.32 | haste | s/A/O/ |
| 07:40.58 | Arrowmaster | never had any of those issues |
| 07:42.00 | haste | just 1 and 2 would be killers for me alone |
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| 07:42.33 | haste | oss4 actually works pretty well, excpet that I have to manually patch firefox to support it |
| 07:42.50 | haste | and I've yet to find someone who actually maintains oss4 support for it |
| 07:43.01 | haste | I guess most people just use the alsa proxy |
| 07:43.17 | DWSR | PA, mofo. |
| 07:43.22 | haste | no |
| 07:43.51 | Arrowmaster | most people just use alsa i suspect |
| 07:44.02 | haste | yeh |
| 07:44.14 | haste | I really wish oss4 would attract more devs |
| 07:44.21 | Arrowmaster | except for those that use distros that come with pulse by default and dont know better |
| 07:44.52 | industrial | 'telnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. |
| 07:44.57 | industrial | wtf windows 7, wtf. |
| 07:45.13 | Corrodias | either the telnet client isn't installed by default, or it's not ther |
| 07:45.27 | Arrowmaster | guessing not by default |
| 07:45.38 | Arrowmaster | gota save that precious disk space |
| 07:45.40 | industrial | well I didn't mess with it so not by default then |
| 07:45.58 | Corrodias | well, who knows. most people aren't going to be using telnet, and most of the ones who are will have a better client. |
| 07:46.42 | industrial | I get a connection refused to a mail server with telnet in my Ubuntu VM (where my shit that I actually use for work runs) but now I can't test it on the host. awzum. |
| 07:51.41 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.13 | Dagmar | Although it makes for a *really* good reason to go grab the WIn32 build of OpenSSH... and there's always Putty for telnet anyway |
| 07:52.46 | Arrowmaster | theres Putty for everything you would need a remote terminal for on windows |
| 07:53.15 | Dagmar | Well, I use openssh when I'm in a cmd window and can't be bothered to tab out |
| 07:53.36 | Arrowmaster | i was so happy when putty got serial port support so i could stop using hyperterm to access routers |
| 07:53.54 | Dagmar | Heh. I use that feature several times a week configuring equipment |
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| 08:27.47 | DWSR | Should I use Spellshattering or Cinderglacier/Razorice on my weapon for an unholy deathknight? |
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| 08:33.55 | olafski | you're choosing between a tank rune and 2 dps runes? :s |
| 08:39.22 | Xyphoid | giant slaying is best |
| 08:40.39 | zenzio | LF enchanter for glow on wepon plz! |
| 08:44.41 | DWSR | olafski: Spellshattering isn't a fucking tank rune. |
| 08:44.43 | olafski | wts beastslayer 5g my mats |
| 08:44.45 | DWSR | You're fucking out of your tree. |
| 08:44.54 | olafski | sigh |
| 08:44.59 | olafski | typical dwsr behavior again I see :) |
| 08:45.08 | olafski | well enjoy that :) |
| 08:45.15 | DWSR | Also, it's a PvP question. |
| 08:45.26 | DWSR | So there's no concept of "tank" and "dps" |
| 08:46.08 | Amarande | DAMMIT. |
| 08:46.22 | Amarande | I just saw a Black Lotus while 1) I was flying over in a taxi, so I couldn't land, and 2) I don't yet have 300 herbing. |
| 08:46.23 | Amarande | Rats. |
| 08:47.09 | olafski | :( |
| 08:47.28 | Amarande | DWSR, you should spec DW-frost. :) |
| 08:47.36 | DWSR | Amarande: Not for PvP. |
| 08:47.53 | DWSR | Frost is pretty much garbage unless you're using Shadowfrost, and it's still not as good as unholy. |
| 08:48.06 | Amarande | Oh, PvP. |
| 08:48.09 | Amarande | I don't do PvP. :S |
| 08:48.18 | Amarande | Not regularly, anyway. |
| 08:48.59 | DWSR | I'm playing an IUP spec. |
| 08:49.09 | DWSR | That has points in OaPH instead of Epidemic. |
| 08:49.55 | DWSR | I was thinking that Spellshattering's pretty useful for the silence reduction, but meh. |
| 08:50.28 | DWSR | Silences haven't been a huge issue as much as disarms, and Swordshattering is a garbage rune unless I get into arenas and only then have it on a secondary weapon for when I'm up against something like RMP or RLS |
| 08:51.30 | Amarande | As DW-frost, I ended up pretty much deciding that razorice combined with the silence reducing rune was the way to go |
| 08:51.44 | Amarande | razorice is kind of a no brainer (and I'm not sure if it stacks if you put it on both anyway) |
| 08:51.50 | Amarande | and frost seems to use an awful lot of spells, silence = bad |
| 08:54.21 | DWSR | Yeah, but no one has a really long duration silence, and you can still use FS, PS, etc. |
| 08:54.41 | DWSR | The only time you really get silenced for a long time is school lockouts, and how many times do you have spells with cast times? |
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| 08:55.55 | DWSR | (I'll give you a hint: Never) |
| 08:56.14 | DWSR | Meh, I went with Fallen Crusader. |
| 08:56.19 | DWSR | 3% heal + 15% strength, we'll see. |
| 08:56.51 | DWSR | It'll proc for ~240 strength. |
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| 09:01.29 | Amarande | I don't have Fallen Crusader yet though, at 58 I pretty much have just the runes I started with |
| 09:01.35 | Amarande | when do you get FC? |
| 09:03.06 | olafski | 70 |
| 09:06.53 | DWSR | yeah, got silenced a few times, haven't missed the Spellshattering. |
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| 09:19.28 | DWSR | Does Timothy Jones sell /every/ epic gem recipe? |
| 09:27.12 | Fisker | so you think you can dance DWSR |
| 09:27.20 | DWSR | No. |
| 09:27.21 | DWSR | I'm white. |
| 09:27.23 | DWSR | I can't dance. |
| 09:28.08 | Fisker | i don't believe you |
| 09:28.09 | industrial | oh yes, pigment chemicals in your skin decide your ability to dance at birth. |
| 09:29.56 | industrial | http://www.ted.com/talks/nina_jablonski_breaks_the_illusion_of_skin_color.html |
| 09:30.07 | industrial | EAT TED, racists! |
| 09:30.13 | industrial | :3 |
| 09:36.36 | Torhal | kills random people (Fisker) because ALSA + digital is BULLSHIT. |
| 09:37.58 | olafski | what an annoying woman |
| 09:42.25 | olafski | industrial: she seems to be saying that dark colored people shouldn't work inside too much ;) |
| 09:44.05 | zenzio | you should ask her why. She probably has some good reasoning, like how it's difficult to plow the fields in your office |
| 09:46.58 | olafski | :P |
| 09:47.20 | olafski | she also seems to think obama should've been plowing fields instead of running a country |
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| 13:08.06 | Wobin | Dagmar, That's my shadow gear =P |
| 13:08.13 | Dagmar | Yeah I figured |
| 13:08.30 | Wobin | my healing gear isn't quite so good |
| 13:08.52 | Wobin | I'm even wearing my shadow T9 shoulders =( |
| 13:09.14 | Dagmar | I think I'm just going to collect both sets on the DK |
| 13:09.23 | Wobin | yeah, once I get enough badges |
| 13:09.28 | Wobin | it'll spill over to my healing set |
| 13:10.46 | Dagmar | Damn I love seed of corruption |
| 13:10.58 | Dagmar | I want a glyph that makes it tick more slowly |
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| 13:12.30 | A-KO^ | ooh this sucks, my glasses broke |
| 13:13.15 | Dagmar | NO medical or paper tape |
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| 13:20.16 | Kraps | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/04/classic-periodicals-8-paladins/ |
| 13:20.39 | robotusch | wat |
| 13:22.02 | Fisker | fail Kraps |
| 13:22.16 | robotusch | oh schnaps |
| 13:22.36 | Fisker | Well if maintank healer is "every role" then i guess it's right |
| 13:22.52 | Fisker | Because they're not the best dps'ers or best tanks either |
| 13:22.53 | Dagmar | oh god #5 |
| 13:22.54 | Mikk | bah, equip glyph of overheal, do everything at once |
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| 13:23.54 | Fisker | looks like these spammers failed their spam |
| 13:23.58 | Fisker | "Blizzard Support Customer Satisfaction Survey" |
| 13:24.03 | Fisker | "An investigation of your World of Warcraft account has found strong evidence that the account in question is being sold or traded." |
| 13:24.13 | Fisker | How's that related to my customer satisfaction? |
| 13:24.23 | Kalroth | Maybe your buyer complained |
| 13:24.39 | robotusch | ^^ |
| 13:24.41 | Kalroth | "WORST PALADIN EVER, WOULD NOT BUY AGAIN" |
| 13:24.45 | robotusch | xD |
| 13:26.58 | Fisker | robotusch |
| 13:27.00 | Fisker | din mor? |
| 13:27.04 | robotusch | fu? |
| 13:27.15 | robotusch | stop slacking in Dalaran |
| 13:27.17 | Fisker | WAT |
| 13:27.19 | Fisker | ~wowstatus |
| 13:27.23 | Fisker | ~wowalert |
| 13:27.23 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 13:27.29 | Fisker | oh lord |
| 13:27.35 | Fisker | they've started using HTML |
| 13:27.43 | robotusch | ^^ |
| 13:28.12 | Fisker | They could've given us a heads up |
| 13:28.19 | Fisker | seeing anything fishy = haxed omg |
| 13:28.29 | robotusch | pft |
| 13:28.41 | robotusch | youtube.com -> search cataclysm alpha invite/key |
| 13:28.42 | zenzio | looks at Fisker |
| 13:28.45 | zenzio | reports |
| 13:29.04 | robotusch | there, that'd take out 50% of the damn keylogs |
| 13:29.21 | robotusch | / scrubs handing over their account info |
| 13:30.24 | Fisker | nah robotusch |
| 13:30.45 | Fisker | Blizzard is only busy DMCA'ing spoilers which they themselves provide |
| 13:30.46 | robotusch | aiee |
| 13:30.57 | robotusch | Green text on mah ingame alert |
| 13:30.58 | Fisker | would be sweet if they used 5 minutes DMCA'ing those scam videos though |
| 13:31.00 | Kraps | Shirik |
| 13:31.35 | Fisker | stop med at logge ind for at spionere på mig robotusch |
| 13:31.40 | robotusch | :( |
| 13:31.49 | robotusch | as if I'd do that |
| 13:34.35 | Fisker | btw er på min syge mage |
| 13:34.52 | robotusch | kå |
| 13:35.07 | robotusch | waiting for cataclysm with one of those |
| 13:35.09 | robotusch | Nelf mage <3 |
| 13:36.39 | Wobin | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/02/ghostcrawler-dings/ |
| 13:36.40 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 13:38.28 | Kalroth | dongs* |
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| 13:47.12 | Fisker | they should do that for the lulz |
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| 14:06.40 | Kraps | you dont get the random bg option on weekends? |
| 14:10.02 | foxlit | "Shipped via Royal Mail (estimated arrival date: May 14, 2010)" |
| 14:11.15 | foxlit | Madness. |
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| 14:20.21 | Wobin | http://www.metafilter.com/91304/Caught-in-a-landslide-No-escape-from-reality |
| 14:20.26 | Wobin | the Story is pretty cool |
| 14:22.47 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/talent#bxcbuhhVRIofrRtfxzc |
| 14:22.57 | Kraps | for pvp |
| 14:22.59 | Corrodias | well, folks, today is the day. http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/in-name-of-science-i-offer-my-boobs.html |
| 14:23.20 | Adys | any rogue able to hint me towards a decent dagger levelling build? |
| 14:23.27 | Adys | (70-80) |
| 14:23.42 | Corrodias | http://twitter.com/boobquake and http://twitter.com/search?q=%23boobquake |
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| 14:42.16 | Kraps | shit, 30 seconds to take down a disc priest in the 70-79 bracket :) |
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| 14:43.28 | Wobin | shield down |
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| 14:43.34 | Wobin | penance down |
| 14:43.40 | Wobin | dead priest |
| 14:44.00 | Kraps | eventually |
| 14:44.25 | Kraps | i loves it |
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| 14:46.19 | Shirik | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/windows-95-on-ipad-completes-bill-gates-vision-video/ |
| 14:46.36 | Shirik | yes Kraps? |
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| 14:51.34 | Kraps | i hear you're making eyes at people |
| 14:51.52 | Fisker | Kraps Shirik |
| 14:51.57 | Fisker | yes this again |
| 14:52.00 | Shirik | haha |
| 14:52.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 14:52.02 | Shirik | evil eyes |
| 14:53.05 | Shirik | I'm still having trouble believing that this is going so smoothly |
| 14:53.10 | Shirik | Though neutral #3 I did expect |
| 14:54.42 | Fisker | is it me Shirik ? |
| 14:54.46 | Shirik | yes |
| 14:55.01 | Kraps | it's always you Fisker |
| 14:56.14 | Kraps | this shirik love-fest is making my eyes bleed |
| 14:56.21 | Shirik | lmao |
| 14:56.24 | Kraps | :p |
| 14:57.58 | Ackis | Fisker: http://www.cracked.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/3114064690_c87ed229ef.jpg |
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| 14:58.54 | Ackis | oh God, all of these are just wrong: http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-lovable-characters-with-horrifying-branded-products/ |
| 15:01.16 | Gintaro | lol |
| 15:04.48 | Gintaro | Adys, anything with mutilate will do |
| 15:05.30 | Fisker | http://media.avisen.dk/GetImage.ashx?imageid=147753&sizeid=4 |
| 15:05.31 | Adys | Gintaro: got anything more thorough? =P |
| 15:05.41 | Gintaro | :P |
| 15:05.47 | Gintaro | which level? |
| 15:06.12 | Fisker | do it Ackis |
| 15:06.21 | Adys | Gintaro: 70 |
| 15:07.24 | Fisker | ACKIS |
| 15:07.24 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFAly6G5cA&feature=player_embedded |
| 15:07.28 | Wobin | holy crap |
| 15:07.35 | Wobin | Cirque is AWESOME =P |
| 15:07.55 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 15:08.06 | Kaso | adys : http://www.wowhead.com/talent#fGgcoeMoVMoGzZ0xZxbcbh leading to http://www.wowhead.com/talent#fGecoeMoVMoIzZ0xZxbcbhGzb |
| 15:08.18 | Wobin | Fisker, I dare you to do better |
| 15:08.43 | Fisker | car crashes are awesom'er |
| 15:08.53 | Wobin | nah, this is more awesome |
| 15:08.58 | Wobin | cause they do it and live |
| 15:09.04 | Wobin | anyone can crash a car and die |
| 15:09.07 | Gintaro | Adys, for leveling I'd go with Vigor (glyphed) and omit CttC and HfB til later |
| 15:09.13 | Fisker | Wobin i dare you to do better then |
| 15:09.14 | Gintaro | For some more burst |
| 15:09.18 | Wobin | I don't have to |
| 15:09.21 | Wobin | cause I think it's awesome |
| 15:09.22 | Wobin | you don't |
| 15:09.28 | Wobin | so -you- must prove you can do better |
| 15:09.28 | Fisker | no |
| 15:09.31 | Wobin | yes |
| 15:09.34 | olafski | ackis: the spongebob toilet seat and thermometer are not so bad imo :P |
| 15:09.39 | Adys | thanks guys :) |
| 15:09.42 | Wobin | I'm quite happy with my proclamation |
| 15:09.42 | Fisker | you don't think car crashes are as awesome as cirque du soleil |
| 15:09.43 | Wobin | you are not |
| 15:09.47 | Fisker | So now you must prove you can do better |
| 15:09.50 | Wobin | so -you- must prove it so |
| 15:09.51 | Fisker | go crash a car and prove me wrong |
| 15:09.57 | Wobin | no |
| 15:10.00 | Fisker | do it |
| 15:10.00 | Wobin | you have to prove that |
| 15:10.08 | Wobin | because -you- think car crashes are better |
| 15:10.13 | Wobin | I think Cirque is better |
| 15:10.16 | Wobin | and show proof above |
| 15:10.36 | Fisker | i don't have to prove anything subjective |
| 15:10.43 | Wobin | yes you do |
| 15:10.47 | Fisker | crash the car Wobin |
| 15:10.49 | Fisker | do it |
| 15:10.53 | Wobin | By declaiming my declaration you have to do it |
| 15:10.55 | Wobin | You MUST |
| 15:10.59 | Wobin | or you are proven WRONG |
| 15:11.02 | Wobin | and WRONG you are |
| 15:11.04 | Wobin | so ha |
| 15:11.09 | Wobin | FISKER IS WRONG |
| 15:11.22 | Fisker | the same but replace Fisker with Wobin |
| 15:11.23 | Gintaro | Adys, http://www.wowhead.com/talent#f0ecoegoVboIuZ0xV0x something like this |
| 15:11.28 | Wobin | too late |
| 15:11.32 | Fisker | naw |
| 15:11.32 | Wobin | you're just wrong Fisker |
| 15:11.35 | Wobin | sorry |
| 15:11.36 | Fisker | already called it first |
| 15:11.39 | Wobin | no you didn't =) |
| 15:11.40 | Wobin | I did |
| 15:11.41 | Wobin | FIRST |
| 15:11.43 | Wobin | so you're wrong |
| 15:11.49 | Wobin | wrong wrong wrongity wrong |
| 15:11.54 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 15:11.56 | Fisker | naw |
| 15:11.59 | Wobin | haha |
| 15:12.05 | Wobin | you can try to deny all you want |
| 15:12.08 | Wobin | but the proof is there |
| 15:12.12 | Wobin | too bad |
| 15:12.13 | Wobin | so sad |
| 15:12.13 | Fisker | naw |
| 15:12.20 | Wobin | pats Fisker |
| 15:12.20 | Fisker | umadcuzbad Wobin |
| 15:12.28 | Wobin | heeheehee |
| 15:12.31 | Wobin | pats Fisker on the head |
| 15:12.36 | Gintaro | You could shit the points from MP two Evis and relocate the poison talent |
| 15:12.41 | Gintaro | s/shit/shift/ |
| 15:12.42 | Gintaro | lol |
| 15:12.46 | Fisker | btw Ackis |
| 15:12.49 | Fisker | ACKIS |
| 15:13.25 | Gintaro | s/two/too/ |
| 15:13.28 | Gintaro | wow, typos |
| 15:14.38 | Gintaro | But I prefer Envenom as my finisher of choice |
| 15:17.05 | zenzelezz | maybe it's because I don't play a rogue, but every time I hear "evis"/"Eviscerate", I think back to when all the rogues wanted to go UBRS for the book |
| 15:17.28 | Gintaro | Haha! |
| 15:17.32 | Gintaro | Silly skill books |
| 15:17.50 | Gintaro | Back then it was rare to even have the highest Evis |
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| 15:18.21 | Gintaro | But then again, back then Evis hit about the same with two letter openers as with two proper weapons :P |
| 15:18.46 | Gintaro | Silly scaling |
| 15:19.49 | Shirik | ~x ko en ëì´ ë¨¹ë¤(ê°) íë 죽ì´ë ëª¨ë¥´ê² ë§ìë¤. |
| 15:19.55 | Shirik | .. |
| 15:19.58 | Ackis | what Fisker? |
| 15:20.13 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: you keep forgetting purl can't take unicode input? ^^ |
| 15:20.20 | Shirik | anyway that says "Itâs so delicious that if one of the two were to die while eating one wouldnât notice. i.e. itâs pretty effing delicious." (Korean idiom of the day) |
| 15:20.20 | Wobin | Shirik, Old MacDonald Had A Farm? |
| 15:21.00 | jnwhiteh | Do we think this is as awesome as it seems: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Joseph-Mixing-Bowls-Multi-Colour/dp/B001F0RULQ/ref=pd_sim_kh_1 |
| 15:21.18 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: It is evil |
| 15:21.20 | Shirik | eviiiiiiillllllllll |
| 15:21.44 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, I've seen them for... like... $20 AUD |
| 15:22.01 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: Im' not concerned about the price.. but the functionality |
| 15:22.18 | jnwhiteh | we ahve a bit of a cramped kitchen so having stuff that stacks is very very useful. |
| 15:22.32 | Wobin | Functionality wise, you're going to lose one of them, or break one, and it'll never sit well ever again =) |
| 15:22.41 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 15:22.46 | jnwhiteh | well even if we lose one |
| 15:22.48 | jnwhiteh | they'll still 'stack' |
| 15:22.59 | jnwhiteh | that's the beauty |
| 15:23.09 | jnwhiteh | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Joseph-Index-Chopping-Boards/dp/B00144WDTW/ref=pd_sim_kh_1 is awesome |
| 15:23.11 | jnwhiteh | by te by |
| 15:23.12 | Fisker | did you see it Ackis ? |
| 15:23.16 | Fisker | or weren't you awesome enough? |
| 15:23.25 | Wobin | I considered buying those |
| 15:23.31 | Wobin | but I was worried about mould |
| 15:23.33 | Wobin | inside |
| 15:23.38 | jnwhiteh | oh really? |
| 15:23.39 | Ackis | see what Fisker? |
| 15:23.42 | Gintaro | You still have to clean them |
| 15:23.44 | Wobin | it'd be hard to clean inside the holder |
| 15:23.49 | jnwhiteh | nah, not really |
| 15:23.53 | Wobin | sure, but if you drop a damp one in there |
| 15:23.56 | Fisker | http://media.avisen.dk/GetImage.ashx?imageid=147753&sizeid=4 <-this |
| 15:24.11 | Wobin | also, plastic cutting boards aren't great |
| 15:24.13 | jnwhiteh | so you don't drop a damp one in there =) |
| 15:24.14 | Gintaro | I don't see why you'd want labeled cutting things anyway |
| 15:24.25 | jnwhiteh | well again, we don't have the space for wooden boards |
| 15:24.27 | Wobin | they absorb smells something terrible |
| 15:24.31 | Ackis | Fisker: is that what you're wearing right now? |
| 15:24.49 | jnwhiteh | Gintaro: it's not the labels.. its the fact that you have multiple cutting boards for multiple purposes, wich I do now anyway |
| 15:24.53 | Gintaro | that stuff is hawt Fisker |
| 15:24.57 | jnwhiteh | I just need multiple boards to do it, which takes too much space. |
| 15:25.24 | Wobin | ... 7 pounds for a spaghetti measurer? =P |
| 15:25.36 | Gintaro | I just throw stuff in the air and cut it ninja style |
| 15:25.37 | jnwhiteh | I'm obv not buying that |
| 15:25.40 | jnwhiteh | cause I'm not a moron =) |
| 15:26.10 | Wobin | what would kinda be awesome |
| 15:26.15 | Wobin | would be that cutting board set |
| 15:26.21 | Wobin | with magnets on the bottom edge of the boards |
| 15:26.28 | Wobin | so you could mount the case upside down |
| 15:26.41 | jnwhiteh | he |
| 15:26.48 | Wobin | that would fix the drainage issue |
| 15:26.57 | Wobin | and save space! |
| 15:27.03 | Fisker | i wish Ackis |
| 15:27.04 | jnwhiteh | meh, i donit see the drainage issue |
| 15:27.06 | jnwhiteh | i dry my dishes. |
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| 15:27.07 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 15:27.13 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:27.19 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, now now, it's a small gap |
| 15:27.22 | Wobin | in the kitchen |
| 15:27.28 | Wobin | it -attracts- food particles =P |
| 15:28.18 | jnwhiteh | The base is also open so that no food residue collects at the bottom. |
| 15:28.21 | Wobin | yeah, my biggest problem with plastic cutting boards is covered in the first review |
| 15:29.18 | jnwhiteh | well wooden boards take up so much space |
| 15:29.27 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 15:29.29 | jnwhiteh | we're looking into it. |
| 15:29.30 | Wobin | I just prop mine up against the wall behind the drainer |
| 15:29.39 | Wobin | they're generally worth the trouble though |
| 15:29.41 | jnwhiteh | we dont have the space for that |
| 15:29.51 | Wobin | hehe, you haven't seen the size of my kitchen =) |
| 15:30.35 | Gintaro | At least you can repair a wooden board |
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| 15:30.54 | Gintaro | beltsander(sp?) ftw |
| 15:30.54 | batbot | Gintaro, belt sander, belt-sander. |
| 15:31.13 | Gintaro | funny function |
| 15:31.20 | Wobin | but useful! |
| 15:32.02 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, also, kitchen knives. try to buy ones with solid handles. The ones with the resin handles tend to crack after a lot of use |
| 15:32.10 | Wobin | solid metal handles are best |
| 15:34.54 | Gintaro | And every knife should have at least some mass! |
| 15:35.01 | Gintaro | silly weightless knives |
| 15:35.09 | olafski | weightless knives are bad |
| 15:35.10 | Wobin | and if you use a sharpening steel after every use, it'll keep the edge true |
| 15:35.15 | olafski | they just float around your kitchen, very dangerous |
| 15:35.21 | Gintaro | :P |
| 15:35.53 | Gintaro | Wobin, I don't think you should sharpen a knife after _every_ use |
| 15:36.02 | Wobin | not 'sharpen' per se |
| 15:36.08 | Wobin | but realign the edge, yes |
| 15:36.13 | Wobin | with the steel, not the stone |
| 15:36.13 | Gintaro | That's a bit excessive imo |
| 15:36.17 | Wobin | not at all |
| 15:36.36 | Wobin | http://www.chefdepot.net/knifesharpening2.htm |
| 15:36.40 | Wobin | I'm talking about one of those |
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| 15:37.53 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRUYAgrsoLw |
| 15:38.00 | Wobin | Alton Brown tells you how! |
| 15:38.08 | Wobin | so it must be true =) |
| 15:38.09 | jnwhiteh | I don't use sharpening steel. |
| 15:38.15 | jnwhiteh | if you do it wrong, you fuck the knife hardcore |
| 15:38.18 | jnwhiteh | i use a water sharpener |
| 15:38.39 | jnwhiteh | very similar to this one |
| 15:38.40 | jnwhiteh | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00005OL3L |
| 15:38.54 | jnwhiteh | tho nicer |
| 15:38.59 | Wobin | It's not hard to do |
| 15:39.03 | jnwhiteh | no its not |
| 15:39.12 | jnwhiteh | but it does damage if you do it wrong. |
| 15:39.16 | Wobin | You just don't try to cut the steel =) |
| 15:39.19 | jnwhiteh | you can't mess up a water sharpener, and they work brilliantly. |
| 15:39.28 | foxlit | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13200223842&sid=1 << moo! |
| 15:39.37 | jnwhiteh | the angle is really sensitive |
| 15:39.46 | Wobin | as I said, it's not sharpening |
| 15:39.50 | Wobin | it's realigning |
| 15:39.59 | Wobin | sharpening actually removes material from the blade |
| 15:40.03 | Wobin | to reform the edge |
| 15:40.11 | Wobin | which is why you can screw it up with a stone quite easily |
| 15:40.31 | Wobin | the steel is just a harder metal to line the edge up with what's there |
| 15:40.37 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* what we have works fine, and I can't mess it up :P |
| 15:41.02 | Wobin | 'honing steel' |
| 15:41.06 | Wobin | that's a better name for it |
| 15:41.22 | Wobin | it saves you from having to sharpen =) |
| 15:41.58 | Wobin | man, Good Eats is such a great show =P |
| 15:42.00 | Gintaro | foxlit, hmmmm, I'm not sure if I'm in favor of combining everything in one lock |
| 15:42.05 | Fisker | that's what the blade re-aligning companies want you to think Wobin |
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| 15:42.37 | foxlit | It's nice, though |
| 15:42.37 | Wobin | Fisker, if you're paying to get your blades realigned... then they've done their job well |
| 15:42.53 | foxlit | Running the 25 man stuff sun-thu is annoying enough without having to repeat it on 10 man later. |
| 15:43.27 | foxlit | Plus it gives 10-man raiding guilds some more legitimacy, which is nice. |
| 15:43.29 | Fisker | Blizzard is insane though |
| 15:43.35 | cog|away | hopes there isn't a devastating earthquake today |
| 15:43.36 | Fisker | they just started using html in their server alerts |
| 15:43.36 | Fisker | HTML! |
| 15:43.49 | Shirik | cog|away wtf is that supposed to mean >< |
| 15:43.50 | Wobin | what? |
| 15:43.52 | Wobin | that's terrible =( |
| 15:44.01 | Wobin | Shirik, BOOBQUAKE |
| 15:44.02 | cog|work | !g boobquake |
| 15:44.02 | batbot | cog|work: Blag Hag: In the name of science, I offer my boobs <http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/in-name-of-science-i-offer-my-boobs.html> |
| 15:44.37 | Shirik | rofl |
| 15:44.46 | Zyonin | Umm, I alt-tab to IRC and now I am wonder just which swamp I stumbled into |
| 15:44.49 | Thrae | Wobin: Random thought, DontDazeMeBro is working fine. Only one little typo. My guildies thought it was funny. |
| 15:44.56 | Ackis | I notice no boobs here at work :( |
| 15:45.05 | cog|work | Ackis: look down your shirt |
| 15:45.12 | Gintaro | manboobs! |
| 15:45.15 | Ackis | those don't count =/ |
| 15:45.40 | Wobin | Thrae, win =) |
| 15:47.09 | foxlit | Will kill pugs for all more-than-one-boss instances, though. |
| 15:47.33 | Wobin | true =( |
| 15:51.41 | Wobin | woohoo |
| 15:51.47 | Wobin | 8bit Dr Horrible Part 3 |
| 15:55.51 | Fisker | oh yay |
| 15:55.54 | Fisker | they fucked up raiding |
| 15:55.56 | Fisker | in cataclysm |
| 15:55.57 | Fisker | <3 |
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| 15:59.15 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 16:00.12 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: I would think he's refering to https://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401856405 |
| 16:00.47 | Maldivia | but then again, I've given up a long time ago to even phantom what fisker is thinking |
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| 16:01.32 | Alram | i agree |
| 16:01.42 | Alram | reproducing the thoughts of gods is sure hard |
| 16:04.13 | Ackis | wtf |
| 16:04.20 | Ackis | things I thought I'd never see |
| 16:04.25 | Ackis | thinking and Fisker in the same sentance |
| 16:04.32 | Ackis | and then someone comparing Fisker to a God |
| 16:04.39 | Alram | leave fisker alone :( |
| 16:05.32 | Thrae | If OnUpdate is called every frame, why is elapsed given in seconds? |
| 16:05.50 | Jamash | why not? |
| 16:06.00 | Thrae | I never printed out elapsed. Can it be less than a second? |
| 16:06.02 | cog|work | are you under the impression that frames always have the exact same amount of time between them? |
| 16:06.10 | Ackis | CanadaAckis completed the game Dawn of War II (PC) |
| 16:06.18 | cog|work | lua numbers are all floats... |
| 16:06.19 | Ackis | Fisker: ^ |
| 16:06.38 | Thrae | That's what I thought. I'm just making sure. |
| 16:06.53 | cog|work | !api OnUpdate |
| 16:06.53 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'OnUpdate'. |
| 16:06.56 | cog|work | hmm |
| 16:07.11 | cog|work | does lua_bot have a widget handler syntax? |
| 16:07.11 | Thrae | OnUpdate is part of the Widget API ;) |
| 16:07.45 | cog|work | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnUpdate |
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| 16:12.55 | Kraps | Bibi: ping |
| 16:13.05 | Bibi | HIGHLIGHT |
| 16:13.07 | Bibi | I HAVE A FRIEND! |
| 16:13.08 | Bibi | YAY! |
| 16:13.09 | Bibi | HI FRIEND! |
| 16:13.11 | Bibi | hugs Kraps |
| 16:13.17 | Fisker | yes indeed Maldivia |
| 16:13.18 | Kraps | ... |
| 16:13.19 | Fisker | they fucked it up |
| 16:13.19 | cog|work | XD |
| 16:13.32 | Bibi | ... what? :( |
| 16:13.52 | Kraps | Bibi: wtb a search feature in the bluetracker |
| 16:13.54 | Fisker | we must recruit an army Bibi |
| 16:13.58 | cog|work | Fisker: |
| 16:14.07 | Fisker | They fucked up raiding Bibi :( |
| 16:14.26 | Fisker | cog|work: Â |
| 16:14.34 | Kraps | shut up already Fisker |
| 16:14.42 | Alram | Fisker, we cant raid bibi anymore? :( |
| 16:15.07 | Fisker | we could |
| 16:15.13 | Fisker | but his loot is rubbish unless we go hardmode |
| 16:15.24 | Kraps | Bibi: whadya think? |
| 16:15.25 | Fisker | y so madcuzbad Kraps ? |
| 16:16.08 | Alram | Kraps, http://www.google.nl/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=site:blue.mmo-champion.com&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= |
| 16:16.15 | Alram | Bluetracker search! |
| 16:16.30 | haste | Your search - site:blue.mmo-champion.com penis - did not match any documents. |
| 16:16.31 | Fisker | but it's so hard Alram |
| 16:16.33 | haste | :( |
| 16:16.36 | Alram | :D |
| 16:16.48 | Fisker | Kraps needs special attention though |
| 16:16.50 | Fisker | he's not that bright |
| 16:17.05 | Kraps | grumbles in Alram's general direction |
| 16:17.34 | Kraps | ~whalenuke Fisker |
| 16:17.35 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker with his mind powers. |
| 16:18.26 | Bibi | Kraps: it's on the list. |
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| 16:19.08 | Kraps | nice |
| 16:19.25 | Kraps | btw Fisker: "We didn't realize warlocks were dying so much in Cataclysm. We'll look into this." |
| 16:19.31 | Fisker | :3? |
| 16:19.41 | Ackis | allo Bibi |
| 16:19.52 | Kraps | but for you |
| 16:20.11 | Kraps | "We didn't realize raiding sucked so much in Cataclysm. We'll look into this. " |
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| 16:21.01 | robotusch | D: |
| 16:22.10 | Ackis | raiding sucks? |
| 16:22.13 | Ackis | zomg |
| 16:22.24 | Ackis | raiding sucked since wrath |
| 16:23.54 | Lunessa | Way to go MSNBC - go right for the lame headline: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36769422/?GT1=43001 |
| 16:24.09 | Kraps | "Weâll be designing the first few raid zones assuming that players have accumulated some blue gear from dungeons, crafted equipment, or quest rewards." |
| 16:24.15 | Kraps | WOW |
| 16:24.56 | Ackis | Kraps: what really sucked for me in wrath was I didn't upgrade my gear for a while... I was level 80 with level 70 sunwell gear on :( |
| 16:25.30 | Kraps | bet your stats sucked |
| 16:28.34 | Fisker | What Blizzard should've done is to make an instance like ulduar and simply just fix the silly hardmode triggers |
| 16:29.10 | Thrae | Hmm, WoWWiki's being a little slow |
| 16:32.21 | Thrae | Nevermind. Snort blocked it. |
| 16:36.27 | Kraps | non-80s dont get to choose random bgs? |
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| 16:45.27 | Ackis | Kraps: why gear from level 70 was better than the quest gear that you got :P |
| 16:48.38 | Kraps | well, it was raid gear |
| 16:49.11 | Kraps | but the stat conversions were wrong |
| 16:50.26 | Gintaro | wooo! I has 5923 Failscore! |
| 16:52.26 | Kraps | nice |
| 16:52.47 | Maldivia | sunwell was 159/164 for level 70, wotlk started at 200/213 for level 80, ICC25H is 277/284, but there's only 5 levels to first cata raiding tier, so if they go for ilevel 300 then I don't see any gear being replaced by blue from current raiding tier |
| 16:54.01 | Gintaro | I'll probably level in T2 anyway |
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| 17:00.07 | Kraps | re the raid changes post: i'm not sure how everyone is reading 2 completely opposite things out of them. its like reading the talmud |
| 17:00.34 | alestane | What post is this? |
| 17:00.40 | foxlit | mm? Which two completely opposite things are those? |
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| 17:01.18 | Adys | is there an api function to detect whether the client is a mac os client? |
| 17:01.19 | Adys | !api client |
| 17:01.20 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'client': IsWindowsClient, IsLinuxClient, VoiceIsDisabledByClient, IsMacClient |
| 17:01.24 | Adys | oh. |
| 17:01.44 | Adys | !api VoiceIsDisabledByClient |
| 17:01.44 | lua_bot | VoiceIsDisabledByClient: Returns whether the voice chat system cannot be enabled (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/VoiceIsDisabledByClient) |
| 17:02.09 | Kraps | "I love it. It not only makes recruiting for 25s easier because 10 man people will have equal gear, it makes you able to raid with say a group of 10 friends and get equality." "Bye Bye 25 man raid guilds." |
| 17:02.18 | Kraps | foxlit: ^ |
| 17:02.36 | foxlit | Ah, "Things will be fine" and "Sky is falling!" |
| 17:04.23 | Gintaro | lol |
| 17:04.27 | Thrae | Bleh, one problem about me -- optimization feature creep. I keep optimizing an addon which means adding more features (usually not exposed to the user) which means more testing. |
| 17:04.28 | Gintaro | I died from two dots in pvp |
| 17:04.39 | Gintaro | 100% - 0% two dots! |
| 17:04.40 | Gintaro | wtf! |
| 17:04.47 | Jamash | all right, now here's my question: legendaries in 10-man, yes or no |
| 17:04.49 | Gintaro | Although I was wearing my pve gear |
| 17:04.53 | Thrae | Gintaro: Warlock or SPriest? |
| 17:05.04 | Gintaro | lock |
| 17:05.05 | foxlit | Resilience will fix it(tm)! |
| 17:05.05 | Kraps | Gintaro: you obviously need more dots |
| 17:05.18 | Gintaro | :D |
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| 17:05.26 | Gintaro | I'd just die 3 seconds later |
| 17:05.35 | Thrae | Gintaro: Yeah, I think one of their talents and also their tier sets can make DoTs crit |
| 17:06.27 | Thrae | Gintaro: Also, someone else could have been stupid and not checked for Unstable Affliction and tried to dispel it |
| 17:08.25 | Gintaro | How would that affect me? |
| 17:09.13 | Gintaro | Heals ftw! I just got the lock before his dots got me |
| 17:11.44 | foxlit | I demand the following PvP change: all pets should be forced to either attack their master's target, or follow an explicit order to attack something else. |
| 17:13.11 | Gintaro | Fuck WP |
| 17:13.17 | Gintaro | I'll run with IP/DP |
| 17:15.17 | Kraps | getting focused is not fun :( |
| 17:16.10 | Gintaro | Getting targetted at all is not fun |
| 17:16.41 | Gintaro | I wish my DP would tick for 2k |
| 17:22.20 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: I demand that my name may, or may not be, Majikthise! |
| 17:22.25 | Gintaro | It's so awesome when 4pT10 chain procs in PvP |
| 17:22.57 | Kraps | "That said, please keep your comments constructive. Saying "this ends it", "I don't like it", "this kills my raiding experience" or various other types of comments (including vulgar/inappropriate language in posts) are not constructive or helpful statements." |
| 17:23.04 | Kraps | NOWAI |
| 17:23.07 | Kraps | RLY? |
| 17:23.20 | Thunder_Child | RLY |
| 17:23.29 | Jamash | OMG |
| 17:24.26 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: it'd be really nice if they didn't have independent threat lists and thus automatically chase the healers :) |
| 17:25.28 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:25.30 | Fisker | i got a PS3 |
| 17:26.27 | Jamash | <crickets> |
| 17:27.26 | Thrae | So I hear you can turn on Heroic for certain bosses without having to do the entire raid in Heroic? |
| 17:28.33 | foxlit | welcome to 3.3.0 :) |
| 17:28.47 | foxlit | Or, perhaps more specifically, ICC |
| 17:29.30 | Gintaro | You need the RL to have done it on normal though |
| 17:29.38 | Gintaro | LK that is |
| 17:32.38 | Kraps | dk tanks take so much damage |
| 17:34.27 | Gintaro | <=====> <-- this much? |
| 17:35.49 | Jamash | I <3 bear tanks |
| 17:35.52 | Jamash | they heal themselves! |
| 17:36.13 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/551153193 |
| 17:38.48 | Jamash | I prefer garfield where he's still in the comic but has no thought balloons |
| 17:39.49 | Adys | i did some of those |
| 17:40.13 | Jamash | they're funnier (to me) than garfield minus garfield |
| 17:58.11 | DWSR | Anyone in here know the PPM of RotFC? |
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| 18:04.33 | Wobin | DWSR, "enough"? |
| 18:05.12 | Gintaro | btw, which enchant should a warr tank use on a weapon/shield? |
| 18:05.41 | Gintaro | Since I've been running with titanium chain/plates since I'm lazy |
| 18:08.04 | Adys | SHIRIK HELLO ARE YOU HERE |
| 18:08.11 | Shirik | HELLO ADYS YES I AM |
| 18:08.19 | Kraps | i have +68 AP Gintaro |
| 18:08.24 | Adys | k sec |
| 18:08.29 | DWSR | Blade Ward or Mongoose |
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| 18:12.12 | alestane | My ISP just failed to resolve "forums.worldofwarcraft.com". |
| 18:12.23 | Gintaro | Blade Ward strikes me as odd |
| 18:12.35 | durcyn | it's the year 2010, and you still use your ISP's broken DNS servers? |
| 18:12.54 | alestane | I don't particularly care to run my own. |
| 18:13.03 | Gintaro | alestane, use opendns or google dns |
| 18:15.15 | alestane | assert(list_of_things_to_do_today["reprogram my router"] == nil) |
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| 18:15.30 | Thrae | alestane: Fancy router? |
| 18:15.39 | alestane | Just DD-WRT. |
| 18:16.02 | Gintaro | Why would you need to reprogram? |
| 18:16.40 | alestane | I'm sure I can convince my router to use a different DNS than the one supplied it by DHCP, but I don't particularly care to sit down and figure out how. |
| 18:16.48 | alestane | At least not right at this moment. |
| 18:16.58 | Thrae | alestane: What type of router? |
| 18:17.09 | Thrae | What brand, that is. |
| 18:17.17 | Gintaro | You can just configure windows to use a diff dns? |
| 18:17.19 | Gintaro | or linux |
| 18:17.23 | Gintaro | instead of the router |
| 18:17.31 | Thrae | What Gintaro says is true |
| 18:17.49 | alestane | Linksys hardware. And I don't really want to configure every computer in the house with a manual DNS either. |
| 18:17.58 | Thrae | If you're planning on doing something like OpenDNS or GoogleDNS you can do that |
| 18:18.16 | durcyn | modern non-GPL linksys devices do DNS proxying, just sayin'. |
| 18:18.23 | Gintaro | alestane, but as a temp solution for your pc |
| 18:18.23 | Thrae | Linksys? Linksys shouldn't be that hard, and they keep online manuals and troubleshooting information for their routers. |
| 18:18.49 | Thrae | Gintaro: Well it's not exactly a "solution" unless he's having a problem |
| 18:18.51 | Adys | Jamash: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/ga000227.gif |
| 18:19.04 | Gintaro | <alestane> My ISP just failed to resolve "forums.worldofwarcraft.com". |
| 18:19.13 | Jamash | Adys: awesome |
| 18:19.20 | Adys | Jamash: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/ga021003.gif and http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/ga070423.gif too |
| 18:19.20 | Thrae | Ah |
| 18:19.22 | alestane | durcyn: My hardware is mostly irrelevant, I replaced the firmware. |
| 18:19.35 | Adys | i just spent 30 minutes looking for those :p |
| 18:19.38 | durcyn | though that being a problem, per se, is debatable, seeing as said forums are full of mostly hyenas |
| 18:19.42 | Thrae | alestane: OpenWRT, DDWRT, Tomato? |
| 18:19.45 | Jamash | nice :D |
| 18:20.25 | alestane | Thrae: I gave you the answer to that question not five minutes ago. |
| 18:20.35 | Gintaro | <alestane> Just DD-WRT. |
| 18:20.49 | Jamash | I just wish my router didn't bog down and go stupid when I make more than seventy-five connections |
| 18:20.55 | Gintaro | I can copy paste me! |
| 18:21.01 | Thrae | I wasn't looking at this channel 5 minutes ago ;) |
| 18:21.26 | Gintaro | <Thrae> alestane: Fancy router? |
| 18:21.26 | Gintaro | <alestane> Just DD-WRT. |
| 18:21.29 | alestane | Given that I posted that in response to your own question, Thrae,, you should have been. |
| 18:21.31 | Gintaro | You even asked him |
| 18:21.32 | Gintaro | lol |
| 18:21.52 | Gintaro | I guess he wasn't "looking" |
| 18:21.56 | alestane | I'd use Linksys firmware but it won't do DHCP reservations. |
| 18:23.46 | alestane | So perhaps "reprogram" isn't as accurate as "reconfigure." Still don't feel like doing the research right now. Tyrannus needs killing. |
| 18:27.39 | zenzelezz | so Stephen Hawking said we'd probably be better off not talking to aliens... naturally the media comes up with pictures like this to help illustrate: http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/114/114619/11461928/jpg/active/503x.jpg |
| 18:28.08 | Thrae | alestane: Sorry, so did anyone give you the IP? |
| 18:28.11 | Jamash | what are aliens going to do to us |
| 18:28.15 | Jamash | call us names via laser |
| 18:29.04 | Wobin | "Yo momma was a OHGODITBURNSITBURNS" |
| 18:29.08 | alestane | I didn't even actually need to get into the forums. THe UI forum is set as my home page, so I opened a browser window and got a DNS fail. It's since returned to working. |
| 18:29.26 | Thrae | alestane: According to /lastlog they did. Try http://12.129.242.24 and maybe it won't redirect. |
| 18:29.31 | Maldivia | Jamash: what did the US settlers do when they encountered "aliens"? |
| 18:29.32 | Thrae | s/did/didn't/ |
| 18:29.50 | Jamash | it takes a few weeks/months to cross the atlantic via boat |
| 18:30.00 | Jamash | it takes a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time to cross space |
| 18:30.28 | Maldivia | you assume they dont have the tech to speed that up ? |
| 18:30.33 | Jamash | yes |
| 18:31.12 | Wobin | Maldivia, gave them smallpox? |
| 18:32.19 | Maldivia | Wobin: so you're saying alients will engage biological war with us? |
| 18:33.08 | Kraps | so has anyone seen the dr who on bbc america? |
| 18:33.23 | Jamash | Kraps: Yes |
| 18:33.31 | Kraps | is it good? |
| 18:33.39 | Jamash | wait, do you mean any or the latest |
| 18:33.49 | Jamash | I'm not caught up with the latest episode |
| 18:34.01 | Jamash | the series is good |
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| 18:34.21 | Kraps | the new series |
| 18:34.32 | Jamash | with the 11th doctor, yeah |
| 18:34.35 | Jamash | it's good |
| 18:34.49 | Wobin | I saw the first |
| 18:35.00 | Adys | doctor who has one really annoying issue |
| 18:35.08 | Wobin | If you want some negative reviews, I can get you a link =) |
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| 18:35.20 | Jamash | Adys: What's that? |
| 18:35.27 | Kraps | i want to start it so i can up my nerd cred |
| 18:35.28 | Adys | scifi meets current public media |
| 18:35.45 | Maldivia | the latest episode was really good - but then again it also had one of the most awesome "enemies" :) |
| 18:35.48 | Adys | you basically transform one person into a public superhero |
| 18:35.56 | Adys | and thats really annoying but maybe its just me |
| 18:36.13 | Adys | Maldivia: indeed, Blink was my favourite episode of all :) |
| 18:36.16 | Jamash | Do you mean in the show or as a media phenomenon? |
| 18:36.26 | Adys | Jamash: i mean in the show's story |
| 18:36.41 | Maldivia | Adys: they are just so delightful creepy :) |
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| 18:36.50 | Jamash | well every time he's gotten mass public exposure he's erased knowledge of his existence :P |
| 18:36.56 | Adys | Jamash: end of S3 is a good example of it |
| 18:37.09 | Adys | nah not every time |
| 18:37.14 | Kraps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Redheadday3.jpg |
| 18:37.15 | Wobin | First ep? |
| 18:37.27 | Wobin | he talked to the entire world |
| 18:37.37 | Wobin | well, all the world leaders |
| 18:37.40 | Wobin | (and clocks) |
| 18:37.40 | Maldivia | Adys: sounds of drums / last of the time lords - or the specials ? |
| 18:37.50 | Adys | Maldivia: those yes |
| 18:37.59 | Adys | but either way many of them |
| 18:38.10 | Adys | and eleventh hour is another good example of what im talking about |
| 18:38.13 | Adys | *really* annoying |
| 18:38.42 | Adys | other than that matt smith is doing a good job |
| 18:38.42 | alestane | My wife wants to know why her phone's T9 entry recognizes "gainsay" but not "penguin." |
| 18:39.12 | Jamash | forsooth, milord, thy bird lacketh wings |
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| 18:39.38 | Maldivia | and luckily fox has dropped making a US version of torchwood |
| 18:39.43 | Wobin | thank god |
| 18:39.46 | Jamash | Oh geez what |
| 18:39.49 | NightHawkTheSane | they were planning on doing that? |
| 18:39.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh.. |
| 18:39.55 | Wobin | they would have neutered Jack |
| 18:39.56 | Adys | ew |
| 18:40.07 | alestane | Jamash: LOL. |
| 18:40.40 | Jamash | yeah let's make a US version of the most bisexual show on television |
| 18:41.21 | Wobin | (what... like QAF?) |
| 18:41.24 | Maldivia | now we just need BBC to finance a 4th series instead - with RTD behind it ofcourse |
| 18:41.47 | Jamash | the only thing that annoyed me about The Eleventh Hour is that he really ought to know by now that the Tardis is absolutely terrible at small jumps. |
| 18:41.51 | Maldivia | the US version of QAF was so much weaker than the UK version |
| 18:42.07 | Wobin | Jamash, Steering was still a bit off |
| 18:42.20 | Jamash | it /always/ does that though |
| 18:42.20 | Wobin | Although. If the Tardis also 'regenerates' |
| 18:42.26 | Maldivia | Jamash: how could he know - "new" tardis as well, remember :) |
| 18:42.35 | Wobin | why didn't it regenerate the chameleon chip? |
| 18:42.37 | Jamash | small time jumps never work properly |
| 18:42.43 | Jamash | Wobin: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:42.47 | Wobin | oh |
| 18:42.48 | Jamash | he likes it that way |
| 18:42.49 | Wobin | sorry =( |
| 18:43.16 | NightHawkTheSane | I'd really rather Davies had nothing to do with torchwood or dr who ever again :P |
| 18:43.18 | Jamash | remember when Donna went all time lordy and explained how to fix the chameleon circuit? |
| 18:43.43 | Maldivia | doctor donna :) |
| 18:43.45 | Jamash | he doesn't want to fix it, it's like a classic car to him |
| 18:43.47 | Wobin | Jamash, http://discworld.imaginary-realities.com/wallsy/misc/drwho3201.html |
| 18:43.51 | Wobin | you might like that review =P |
| 18:43.55 | Wobin | ps spoilers |
| 18:43.58 | Wobin | if you haven't seen the ep |
| 18:44.07 | Wobin | it's pretty much a gripe |
| 18:44.10 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: why? |
| 18:44.12 | Wobin | about continuity etc |
| 18:44.18 | NightHawkTheSane | (aside, you guys have heard of the band 'Chameleon Circuit', yes? if not, check them out) |
| 18:44.52 | Kraps | you know what we need? |
| 18:44.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: I'm not really fond of his writing style. Most of my least favorite episodes were written by him :P |
| 18:45.02 | Thrae | alestane: OK, http://12.129.242.24/board.html?forumId=11122&sid=1 works (with sid=1 meaning NA) |
| 18:45.03 | Kraps | a new season of Firefly! |
| 18:45.07 | Adys | funny you say that for me its the opposite |
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| 18:45.09 | Jamash | Kraps: true story |
| 18:45.18 | Adys | all the shitty episodes happen to be the ones not written by davies |
| 18:45.39 | Jamash | what, even Moffat's episodes? |
| 18:45.49 | Adys | no |
| 18:45.51 | Maldivia | Children of the Earth... nuf'said |
| 18:45.58 | Adys | moffat is the silence of the library stuff right? |
| 18:46.03 | Adys | i loved those |
| 18:46.03 | Jamash | yeah |
| 18:46.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: moffat is one of the better writers imo. :) |
| 18:46.20 | Adys | Im glad moffat is behind the new series |
| 18:46.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Empty Child/Doctor Dances, Silence in the library, etc.. were amazing |
| 18:46.28 | Adys | but erm |
| 18:46.29 | Jamash | I'm going to copy something from aim, one minute |
| 18:47.07 | Jamash | (4/24/2010 6:51:38 PM) Sarah (AIM): GOD DAMMIT MOFFAT YOU BASTARD |
| 18:47.09 | Adys | The Unicorn and the Wasp, The Lazarus Experiment, Fear Her |
| 18:47.09 | Jamash | (4/24/2010 6:52:02 PM) Sarah (AIM): I haven't watched it yet, I'm just getting that out of the way ahead of time |
| 18:47.10 | Jamash | (7:40:56 PM) Sarah (AIM): I reiterate my previous statement -.- |
| 18:47.33 | Adys | Jamash: she uses AIM, she got what she deserves |
| 18:47.48 | Jamash | they only allow aim at her orkplace |
| 18:48.09 | Adys | she works somewhere they only allow aim, i too reiterate my previous statement |
| 18:48.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: what about those three episodes? |
| 18:48.37 | NightHawkTheSane | they were written by neither moffat nor davies... |
| 18:48.41 | Adys | yes |
| 18:48.46 | Adys | which is my point :P |
| 18:48.51 | Adys | i like both moffat and davies |
| 18:49.20 | Jamash | I mostly like Davies but I thought the end of the 10th doctor lacked oomph |
| 18:49.22 | Adys | the idiot's lantern |
| 18:49.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: (longest death scene ever) |
| 18:49.38 | Adys | basically Im looking at every episode i really loved, they're written by moffat |
| 18:49.47 | Adys | every episode i liked was written by davies |
| 18:49.54 | Adys | and every episode i hated is written by someone else |
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| 18:50.03 | Jamash | if he'd gone out with Journey's End that would have been epic |
| 18:50.15 | NightHawkTheSane | journey's end was... not really that great :\ |
| 18:50.34 | NightHawkTheSane | and the bad wolf/parting of ways was kinda silly |
| 18:50.55 | Adys | they're very storyline-centered, which is good |
| 18:51.17 | Adys | then it depends on what you enjoy most |
| 18:51.22 | NightHawkTheSane | well, its not that |
| 18:51.25 | Jamash | well The Stolen Earth/Journey's End was kind of backstory pron |
| 18:51.37 | Adys | imo a good series has both strong-storyline episodes and completely-new-fun-stuff |
| 18:51.45 | NightHawkTheSane | bad wolf/parting of ways was such rose-ex-machina, it was kinda dumb |
| 18:51.46 | Adys | thats exactly what moffat+davies did |
| 18:51.50 | Maldivia | NightHawkTheSane: but there are som really nice quotes from journeys end :) |
| 18:52.05 | NightHawkTheSane | it's classic "i'm going to write myself into a corner, and then bullshit my way out of it again" |
| 18:52.08 | Jamash | yeah I thought "oh I just evaporated all the daleks, go me" was silly |
| 18:52.17 | Adys | Maldivia: You got a time machine, what do you need a museum for? |
| 18:52.19 | Adys | oh wait. |
| 18:52.21 | NightHawkTheSane | which seems to be generally typical for davies |
| 18:52.43 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: eh, I dont specially like it either but i don't really mind it |
| 18:52.52 | foxlit | So, that raises the question: why not do it again at the end of series 4? |
| 18:53.22 | Adys | don't ask those kind of questions, youll get spammed by theoryloring |
| 18:53.29 | Jamash | well it does kill the person who does it |
| 18:53.33 | Maldivia | Rose: "So there's three of you... three doctors?", Jack: "I can't tell you what I'm thinking right now..." |
| 18:53.40 | Adys | lol |
| 18:54.08 | Adys | Paul Cornell seems to be behind very good episodes as well |
| 18:54.21 | kd3 | oh wow at the raid progression change |
| 18:54.24 | Adys | father's day, human nature |
| 18:54.27 | Adys | oh, thats the only two |
| 18:55.22 | Kraps | kd3: what camp are you: "This is great!" or "The sky is falling!"? |
| 18:55.38 | Adys | you forgot the "Who gives a shit, people still raid?" camp |
| 18:55.49 | kd3 | I'm for it. 4 versions of the same boss is a little much |
| 18:55.54 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm, looking at the list, I like a lot of the episodes written by semi-random other people |
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| 18:55.57 | kd3 | (I'm looking at you, ToC) |
| 18:56.22 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: well |
| 18:56.33 | Adys | they always give the classics to other writers for some reason |
| 18:56.38 | Adys | like all the dalek/cybermen episodes |
| 18:56.46 | Adys | and those are more or less bound to be full of win |
| 18:56.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: arguably true. and.. arguably a good iea ;) |
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| 19:01.10 | Adys | sure, why not |
| 19:01.28 | Cairenn | ~seen lopeppeppy |
| 19:01.34 | purl | lopeppeppy <~Lopeppepp@cpe-67-252-44-53.nycap.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 20h 28m 37s ago, saying: '*purrrrr*'. |
| 19:01.34 | Adys | ~seen cairenn |
| 19:01.35 | purl | cairenn is currently on #waruidev (2h 41m 6s) #wowuidev (2h 41m 6s) #wowace (2h 41m 6s) #wowwiki (2h 41m 6s). Has said a total of 39 messages. Is idling for 7s, last said: '~seen lopeppeppy'. |
| 19:02.12 | Cairenn | Hmmm, get in here lopeppeppy, want someone else to celebrate boobquake with me! |
| 19:02.13 | zenzelezz | 20 hours ago? That's not right, she purred me just eight hours ago or so |
| 19:02.25 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: we want pics |
| 19:02.39 | Jamash | what is this? |
| 19:02.41 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! | Boobquake! |
| 19:02.45 | Gintaro | hmmmm, to keep the black drake or to sell it |
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| 19:05.37 | Shirik | pokes Cairenn |
| 19:05.44 | Cairenn | hugs Shirik |
| 19:05.54 | Adys | melts Cairenn |
| 19:06.09 | Cairenn | becomes a puddle of goo on the floor |
| 19:06.18 | Adys | washes it all off |
| 19:07.06 | zenzelezz | purifies Cairenn and reshapes her in the model of... |
| 19:07.07 | alestane | I linked her this comic, Cairenn, but I think she's too busy with the projecty project of doom: http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp04262010.shtml |
| 19:07.11 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Cosmos |
| 19:07.14 | Adys | thats an awesome name |
| 19:07.19 | Cairenn | alestane: yeah, saw it |
| 19:08.34 | Cairenn | http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2939431 for anyone that wonders what I'm talking about and doesn't want to go to FB or Twitter or such to find out |
| 19:09.00 | Cairenn | rofl! http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/Temblor+strikes+Taiwan+Boobquake/2952523/story.html |
| 19:09.19 | Cairenn | OTTAWA â Maybe the Iranian cleric had a point.As women around the world bared their cleavage Monday in an event dubbed âBoobquake,â a strong earthquake measuring 6.9 struck southeast of Taiwan |
| 19:10.56 | Fisker | women are wrong |
| 19:10.58 | Fisker | what else is new? |
| 19:11.28 | cog|work | Cairenn: i was worried something like that might happen >< |
| 19:11.40 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/tmntwtf_the_look_of_the_new_tu.php |
| 19:12.16 | alestane | smites Fisker with a large hammer (shaped like a trout). |
| 19:12.59 | Fisker | how zealous of you |
| 19:13.18 | mikma | hah! http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/uss_enterprise_made_entirely_o.php |
| 19:13.20 | mikma | take that! |
| 19:14.10 | Fisker | eww |
| 19:14.13 | nevcairiel | haha |
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| 19:18.38 | Kraps | i dislike druids and their op heals |
| 19:19.04 | mikma | fuck. http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=65332 |
| 19:19.22 | Fisker | doesn't like bit.ly |
| 19:20.50 | mikma | doesn't like fisker |
| 19:23.46 | Fisker | likes mikma |
| 19:23.58 | Thrae | Anyone a huge fan of Firefox? |
| 19:24.05 | alestane | I use it. |
| 19:24.06 | mikma | omg, i accidentally fisker |
| 19:24.12 | alestane | Don't know if I'd say "huge fan." |
| 19:24.14 | mikma | thrae: kinda |
| 19:24.23 | mikma | best browser for my use atm |
| 19:24.24 | Thrae | Well, of cool Firefox addons/extensions. |
| 19:24.24 | Fisker | doesn't like Firefox |
| 19:24.43 | NiLon | I'm not fan of anything tbh :p |
| 19:24.52 | alestane | "It may be a jewel of open source, but Firefox is a *browser.* It shows *webpages.* What the Hell is wrong with us?" |
| 19:24.54 | Thrae | I'm trying to find one that would give me better information on why a website is down. |
| 19:25.11 | nevcairiel | usually because the server its hosted on went away =p |
| 19:25.26 | NiLon | ye firefox got little to do with that :p |
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| 19:25.47 | Kraps | i like it |
| 19:26.14 | Adys | firefox is the plague of open source currently |
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| 19:26.47 | Adys | sets a good example of how a project goes completely commercial, dies down due to terrible codebase and bloat |
| 19:27.31 | nevcairiel | i only use firefox when i have to use firebug |
| 19:27.34 | nevcairiel | otherwise chrome now |
| 19:28.11 | zenzelezz | does Chrome have Greasemonkey or Stylish addons yet? |
| 19:28.18 | Adys | no zenzelezz |
| 19:28.23 | Adys | mostly because it doesnt need them |
| 19:28.26 | Adys | they're builtin :) |
| 19:28.46 | zenzelezz | so Chrome lets you set up custom CSS rules for domains? |
| 19:28.50 | Adys | sure |
| 19:28.51 | Thrae | Like I'm trying to get onto wowstead.com |
| 19:29.10 | Thrae | Which could be my router rules again which are pretty strict, but wowstead.com seems to have problems |
| 19:29.56 | Thrae | Also, here's my latest suggestion about merging weekly raid lockouts and implementing weekly boss IDs -- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401696268&postId=243994720786&sid=1#0 |
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| 19:39.53 | zenzelezz | "It takes about ten gigabytes or so of disk space to check out and build the source tree." |
| 19:40.09 | zenzelezz | the browser may be lightweight(ish), but the build apparently is not |
| 19:40.23 | zenzelezz | (and before you ask, I have no idea what Firefox is like if you want to build it) |
| 19:40.46 | Shirik | o.o; |
| 19:41.00 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 19:41.09 | Shirik | just saw a news announcement regarding something Stephen Hawkings said |
| 19:41.20 | Shirik | he says if the opportunity arises, we should not attempt to contact aliens |
| 19:41.45 | zenzelezz | you must not have seen the picture I linked earlier then Shirik |
| 19:41.47 | Fisker | i don't see why not? |
| 19:41.57 | Shirik | "If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans," |
| 19:42.02 | zenzelezz | http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/114/114619/11461928/jpg/active/503x.jpg |
| 19:42.17 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 19:42.21 | Fisker | but that won't really change anything |
| 19:42.26 | Fisker | did columbus phone first? |
| 19:42.40 | Shirik | of course |
| 19:42.49 | Shirik | zenzelezz: lol |
| 19:42.51 | Fisker | oh |
| 19:43.45 | Shirik | anyway, interestingly enough, if there's one thing star trek got right, it's the value of the prime directive |
| 19:44.56 | mikma | shirik: did you read why we shouldn't? |
| 19:45.06 | Shirik | I just quoted it :P |
| 19:45.20 | mikma | lol i accidentally fisker |
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| 19:53.21 | Fisker | no u Shirik |
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| 19:55.55 | Shirik | happy birthday! |
| 19:55.57 | Shirik | wait he's not here :( |
| 19:56.42 | Cairenn | no :( |
| 19:56.59 | zenzelezz | has he even been in this channel for a long time? |
| 19:57.09 | Zyn | licks the remains of the cake of his fingers |
| 19:57.12 | Zyn | well .. too bad |
| 19:57.34 | haste | mah cake :( |
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| 20:10.26 | Kraps | a shadow priest and I held the BS in AB by ourselves for 2 minutes with the horde constantly attacking |
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| 20:10.47 | Kraps | i'm on my 76 disc priest |
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| 20:14.36 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:14.39 | Fisker | kill or be killed |
| 20:18.25 | Gintaro | I wonder, will you get saved to an instance if you engage a boss but leave before he's killed? |
| 20:19.22 | Gintaro | for example, engaging sarth3d, engage, everybody leaves except the one that wants the mount |
| 20:19.28 | Gintaro | kill |
| 20:19.30 | Gintaro | ??? |
| 20:19.31 | Gintaro | profit? |
| 20:20.38 | Dewin | Gintaro: Pulling that off is likely non-trivial. |
| 20:20.53 | Gintaro | Why? Sarth has to die within 1 minute anyway |
| 20:20.59 | Gintaro | kick timer is 1 min |
| 20:21.16 | Dewin | getting it timed precisely for instance |
| 20:21.24 | Gintaro | Geting what timed? |
| 20:21.39 | Dewin | What happens when 24/25 people suddenly poof and Sarth is at 5% health and has no tank? |
| 20:21.56 | Shirik | um |
| 20:21.58 | Gintaro | wipe? |
| 20:21.59 | Shirik | Dewin |
| 20:22.03 | Shirik | I have something worse |
| 20:22.15 | Shirik | what happens when sarth goes invulnerable with 8000 HP left |
| 20:22.18 | Shirik | no exaggeration |
| 20:22.29 | Gintaro | Fine, let's take the faceroll 10-man then |
| 20:22.38 | Shirik | it happened to me once |
| 20:22.42 | Shirik | and then we were like "wtf seriously" |
| 20:22.59 | Dewin | Shirik: Acolyte in Shadron's portal? |
| 20:23.08 | Shirik | ?? |
| 20:23.14 | zenzelezz | so does Chrome/ium not have a menubar or statusbar? |
| 20:23.17 | Dewin | Or was this with no drakes up |
| 20:23.24 | Shirik | all 3 drakes, we were trying to rush him |
| 20:23.37 | nevcairiel | then you failed at rushing |
| 20:23.38 | Dewin | doesn't the acolyte that Shadron spawns make ALL of the dragons immune to damage, or is it just Shadron that goes immune? |
| 20:23.42 | nevcairiel | and got the shield :p |
| 20:23.43 | Shirik | nevcairiel: This was a long time ago |
| 20:23.44 | Gintaro | But my question still remains, will you or will you not get saved to a bosskill if you have engaged the boss but were not part of the raid the moment he died |
| 20:24.01 | Dewin | Gintaro: My guess is if you're on the loot table, you get saved. |
| 20:24.05 | nevcairiel | still, you failed, and thats the indication of it |
| 20:24.08 | Shirik | yes :( |
| 20:24.12 | Shirik | but only barely |
| 20:24.20 | Shirik | and then he was all lololololololololololol |
| 20:24.25 | Shirik | and then we were al ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 20:24.31 | Shirik | and then we fell over |
| 20:24.44 | Dewin | That said, I've been saved to Ulduar 25 after downing FL without being on FL's loot table courtesy of glitchiness. To add insult to injury, I was the only one who wanted any of the loot. |
| 20:24.48 | nevcairiel | although with 8000 you could possibly manage if you kill the acolyte before he wipes you |
| 20:24.48 | Shirik | Dewin: iirc it's just once the third drake comes |
| 20:25.00 | Dewin | Shirik: Shadron is the third drake. |
| 20:25.03 | Shirik | I don't exactly know what causes him to go invulnerable, I'm a healer |
| 20:25.12 | Gintaro | The 2nd one |
| 20:25.13 | nevcairiel | its just the acolyte of shadron |
| 20:25.22 | Dewin | Shadron spawns an acolyte in the twilgiht relam that makes everyone immune. You're supposed to hit the portal and kill it |
| 20:25.31 | Dewin | realm* I can't type today. |
| 20:25.38 | Gintaro | But tactics are hard, zerging is easy |
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| 20:27.03 | Dewin | I guess zerging fails if Shadron spawns the acolyte before Sarth dies, though it really only takes another ~20 seconds tops to kill counting time getting to the portal, going in and getting back out |
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| 20:29.50 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 20:29.51 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 20:34.18 | Kraps | Shirik: 53-1-3 |
| 20:34.23 | Shirik | yeah |
| 20:34.27 | Shirik | I'm surprised |
| 20:34.45 | Kraps | huh |
| 20:34.51 | Kraps | anyway |
| 20:34.54 | Kraps | afk |
| 20:46.51 | A-KO | so |
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| 20:46.55 | A-KO | blizzard deciding to kill 25 man raiding |
| 20:46.56 | A-KO | gg |
| 20:47.40 | zenzelezz | I'm *very* curious to see how it turns out |
| 20:48.00 | A-KO | 25 man dies |
| 20:48.03 | A-KO | that's how it turns out |
| 20:48.29 | A-KO | If all loot, achievements, titles, and everything can be obtained in 10 man modes--nobody will organize 25 man groups except for pugs trying to do older runs of dungeons wanting to get as many people as possible into the group. |
| 20:48.29 | zenzelezz | I just don't want to believe that... but I fear so |
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| 20:49.05 | foxlit | A-KO: is that a bad thing or a good thing? |
| 20:49.12 | A-KO | bad IMO |
| 20:49.41 | foxlit | I'm very tempted to make the point that as long as you want to do 25-man raids, they won't die. |
| 20:49.50 | A-KO | negative |
| 20:49.51 | foxlit | And if you're not interested in 25-man raids, good riddance to them. |
| 20:49.55 | zenzelezz | it's good for many people; it's bad for those who preferred larger raids |
| 20:50.02 | zenzelezz | I still wish they'd stuck to 40-mans |
| 20:50.05 | A-KO | *nobody* will be interested in doing 25s if you absolutely have 0 incentive to do them |
| 20:50.09 | A-KO | same here zenzelezz |
| 20:50.13 | A-KO | it cut down on the amount of guilds on a server |
| 20:50.16 | foxlit | Faster epics, A-KO. |
| 20:50.33 | A-KO | foxlit: and by faster if you mean for every 1 drop in a 10-man you'd get 2.5 in a 25..... |
| 20:50.38 | A-KO | or, rather, either 2 or 3 |
| 20:50.42 | A-KO | depending on how stingy blizzard wants to be |
| 20:50.42 | A-KO | :P |
| 20:50.49 | foxlit | A-KO: with all the due respect, go read the post. |
| 20:50.53 | A-KO | I have |
| 20:50.54 | A-KO | in full |
| 20:51.13 | foxlit | It explicitly states something along the lines of "more items, badges, gold... *per player*" |
| 20:52.11 | A-KO | so the only difference being the speed at which you obtain these items? Still not even close to enough incentive. |
| 20:52.31 | A-KO | Unless it drops *vastly* more gold |
| 20:52.33 | foxlit | The incentive shouldn't really be "you get better loot" |
| 20:52.38 | A-KO | sure it should be |
| 20:52.41 | A-KO | otherwise there's no incentive |
| 20:52.55 | foxlit | Your motivation in doing any sort of raiding should be that you enjoy it |
| 20:53.23 | A-KO | I enjoy raiding, but you have to remember that there are serious logistics issues behind building 25 man guilds that even right now doesn't make it worth it most of the time, but people do it because it's the best way to get the best loot. |
| 20:53.29 | zenzelezz | I don't enjoy small (as in 10-man) raids... they simply don't feel heroic in any way, no matter how hard |
| 20:53.31 | A-KO | Nobody will do it, for the simple fact that logistically putting it together is a bitch |
| 20:53.35 | A-KO | same zenzelezz |
| 20:53.37 | A-KO | I miss 40 mans |
| 20:53.37 | A-KO | a lot |
| 20:54.11 | KarlKFI|work | the idfference between boss fightrs between 10 and 40 would be massive |
| 20:54.19 | A-KO | But we can agree that logistically, putting together larger raids is harder to do than a 10 man. That's just how it is. And because of the immense crap to deal with in a 25 man group, organized guilds simply won't do it. You might have your fringe top end guilds doing it but that's about it. |
| 20:54.31 | A-KO | KarlKFI: They should have kept 40, and made the smaller versions 20 |
| 20:54.32 | A-KO | 20/40 |
| 20:54.40 | ZorbaTHut | "more items per person" is totally an incentive |
| 20:54.45 | ZorbaTHut | I'd do 25-mans in that situation |
| 20:54.52 | foxlit | "organized guilds simply won't do it." << Is entirely subjective |
| 20:55.03 | zenzelezz | I'll admit I'm likely in the rather small minority, but I'm hating this change to my very core |
| 20:55.08 | KarlKFI|work | they can do whatever they want. seems to me they can sell mroe people the game if it has more 10 mans |
| 20:55.08 | foxlit | But hey, if people won't do 25 mans, because they don't want to do 25 mans, nothing of value is lost. |
| 20:55.19 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's a totally fine change |
| 20:55.24 | ZorbaTHut | far better than the current bassackwards system |
| 20:55.25 | A-KO | foxlit: Considering they'll share the same lockout timer, that's absolutely right. If you can't guarantee 25 players 3 nights per week, but can guarantee 10 players those 3 nights. You definitely must choose the smaller. |
| 20:55.40 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 20:55.52 | foxlit | A-KO: much the same issues apply about guaranteeing anything in both formats. |
| 20:55.55 | KarlKFI|work | onyl problem: if you have 23... |
| 20:55.56 | foxlit | Get a larger roster. |
| 20:56.02 | A-KO | yes KarlKFI|work |
| 20:56.03 | KarlKFI|work | and then the next day you have 26 |
| 20:56.07 | foxlit | If anything, it's easier to 24-man something than 9-man something. |
| 20:56.09 | ZorbaTHut | <A-KO> If people don't have enough people for a 25-man raid, they'll do 10-man raids! 25-man raids are doomed |
| 20:56.26 | ZorbaTHut | seriously dude |
| 20:56.34 | ZorbaTHut | some guilds will field 25-mans if they have the people |
| 20:56.39 | ZorbaTHut | some guilds will field 10-mans if they don't |
| 20:56.39 | KarlKFI|work | so the enxt day 6 peopl are sitting out because you're doign 2 10 mans |
| 20:56.53 | ZorbaTHut | some guilds will swap back and forth every week or so based on expected attendance |
| 20:57.18 | zenzelezz | the issue I have is that this is supposed to be a Massive MOG; and to me that includes the size of raids. Making it more and more small-group friendly takes away the feeling of size in my personal opinion; going from 40-man to 25-man raids already split of tons of guilds on my server |
| 20:57.23 | KarlKFI|work | i think they should just make bosses that are variably harder for how many peopl you go with, with certain tiers |
| 20:57.33 | zenzelezz | and the LFD tool, however useful, makes grouping with people on your realm less tempting |
| 20:58.06 | ZorbaTHut | zenzelezz, there's practicality and fun issues with 40-man raids. they're just annoying to get together |
| 20:58.09 | KarlKFI|work | so have a 10 man tier and a 25 man tier.... but then have it scale in between so you can still raid with 18 |
| 20:58.12 | ZorbaTHut | sure, they're epic, but it's arguably not worth it |
| 20:58.24 | ZorbaTHut | it's very tough to balance that |
| 20:58.30 | zenzelezz | ZorbaTHut: like I said, I understand I'm one of only a few people who feel this way, but I feel strongly about it |
| 20:58.31 | KarlKFI|work | that'd remove much of the organization problems |
| 20:58.46 | KarlKFI|work | logistically you just go with what you have |
| 20:59.02 | ZorbaTHut | zenzelezz, fair enough :) |
| 20:59.39 | KarlKFI|work | you could say add a new ability every 5 people. and then increase boss hp and dmg for every additiobn person in between abilities |
| 20:59.54 | ZorbaTHut | seriously, that's hell to balance |
| 21:00.24 | KarlKFI|work | sure... but it's already hard to balence with not knowing what classes people are taking |
| 21:00.33 | KarlKFI|work | so who cares? |
| 21:00.37 | foxlit | And then you'd still be going "Hey, let's bench Tim over there and not have the adds cast Mortal Strike. Nobody likes Tim anyway." |
| 21:00.46 | ZorbaTHut | not nearly as difficult as trying to actually tweak boss stats based on the class makeup |
| 21:00.53 | ZorbaTHut | which they don't do |
| 21:01.05 | ZorbaTHut | they just pick a representative approximation of an average raid and go from there |
| 21:01.13 | KarlKFI|work | right, so why does it matter? |
| 21:01.27 | ZorbaTHut | it matters because you're talking about blizzard tuning 15 different raids |
| 21:01.34 | ZorbaTHut | rather than the 2 that they currently have to tune |
| 21:01.42 | KarlKFI|work | benching 1 person to reduce an ability is better than benching 5 people because you started 2 10 mans ont he same timer at you 25 man |
| 21:01.46 | Cairenn | going out to do some errands, back in a while |
| 21:01.52 | Cairenn | errr, wrong channel |
| 21:02.27 | KarlKFI|work | plus if they balence it right then the increase in ability could still decrease stats |
| 21:03.05 | foxlit | Benching one person to reduce an ability is *morally wrong*. |
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| 21:04.14 | KarlKFI|work | so like the tier could be: ability 1: +1, +2, +3, +4, +5, ability 2 +2, +3, +4, +5, +6, ability 3, +3, etc |
| 21:04.18 | KarlKFI|work | or any variabtion |
| 21:04.33 | KarlKFI|work | abiltiy != stat increase |
| 21:04.45 | KarlKFI|work | so you coudl reduce stats when you intro an ability |
| 21:05.31 | KarlKFI|work | sure it'd be hard to balence and there woudl still be 'ideal' easiest or hardest # of players |
| 21:05.41 | KarlKFI|work | but you could still play with any number of players |
| 21:06.15 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, and that's exactly what I'm talking about - the horrible hell involved in balancing it |
| 21:06.24 | KarlKFI|work | it's not hell. it's just math |
| 21:06.26 | ZorbaTHut | that is not a layer of complexity that blizzard wishes to add :P |
| 21:06.38 | ZorbaTHut | it is most definitely not just math. you have to test this stuff extensively |
| 21:06.54 | Thrae | OK, here's my new mechanic idea based on the "Eclipse Meter" for Resto. Druids -- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401486491&sid=1 |
| 21:07.07 | KarlKFI|work | not really. who cares if 20 +4 is easier than 25 |
| 21:07.18 | KarlKFI|work | or harder |
| 21:07.36 | ZorbaTHut | Blizzard does. |
| 21:07.49 | KarlKFI|work | more variations of difficulty is better for the player. |
| 21:07.51 | ZorbaTHut | As do a large number of minmaxers. |
| 21:08.54 | KarlKFI|work | the point is to let everyone play, not make it exactly the same experience for everyone. |
| 21:09.05 | KarlKFI|work | there's no blizzard supported guild ranking |
| 21:09.17 | ZorbaTHut | and right now everyone *can* play |
| 21:09.26 | ZorbaTHut | maybe not in a single arbitrarily-sized group, but they can certainly play |
| 21:09.41 | KarlKFI|work | have you ever been in a 30 man raid guild? |
| 21:10.13 | KarlKFI|work | every night someone is sitting out. forced to stay online to fill a spot. |
| 21:11.03 | KarlKFI|work | at best you get 25 for raid and 5 for a heroic. at worst you get 25 for raid an 5 dps than cant do shit |
| 21:11.16 | ZorbaTHut | my guild went through a period like that. we decided to expand to a 50 man raid guild |
| 21:11.29 | ZorbaTHut | also, nobody's forced to stay online, but if you do, you get DKP as if you were in the raid |
| 21:11.42 | KarlKFI|work | motivated to stay on line, doign nothing |
| 21:11.48 | KarlKFI|work | fuck that |
| 21:11.59 | ZorbaTHut | a lot of people would just minimize WoW and leave their speakers on |
| 21:12.03 | ZorbaTHut | and then, y'know, do other stuff |
| 21:12.04 | KarlKFI|work | i came to raid i want to raid, not farm |
| 21:12.14 | ZorbaTHut | if they hear "HEY BOB GET BACK HERE" they pop WoW open again |
| 21:12.27 | KarlKFI|work | and that's a good solution? |
| 21:12.34 | ZorbaTHut | it's a better solution than yours :P |
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| 21:12.50 | KarlKFI|work | how is it better for the customer than blizzard doing the work? |
| 21:13.41 | ZorbaTHut | it's better because it means raids will end up better-balanced and more coherent. there won't be raids where they're swapping one person in and out to jump above and below the "extra person" limit, there won't be a huge pile of minmaxing the precise player count |
| 21:13.47 | ZorbaTHut | complexity is not good for anyone |
| 21:13.52 | ZorbaTHut | and this is a bitchingly complex idea |
| 21:14.01 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 21:14.06 | ZorbaTHut | for very little benefit, considering the ability to pug people in. :P |
| 21:14.14 | KarlKFI|work | did you seriously say complexity's not good for anyone? |
| 21:14.25 | KarlKFI|work | have you ever programmed anything? |
| 21:14.42 | ZorbaTHut | programming is one of the cases where I'd say complexity is *incredibly* bad ;) |
| 21:14.47 | ZorbaTHut | make it as simple as possible |
| 21:14.53 | KarlKFI|work | complexity is what makes programming fun. |
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| 21:15.02 | ZorbaTHut | complexity is what makes programming useless. |
| 21:15.06 | KarlKFI|work | simple programming is boring |
| 21:15.11 | ZorbaTHut | practical goals are what makes programming useful. |
| 21:15.40 | ZorbaTHut | what I'm saying is that making it needlessly complex just leads to bugs and problems. Complexity should be stripped out wherever possible. |
| 21:15.49 | KarlKFI|work | i dissagree |
| 21:15.53 | ZorbaTHut | *sometimes* the benefits are worth it, as in providing both 10-man and 25-man versions of raids |
| 21:16.01 | ZorbaTHut | *sometimes* they're not, as in providing every raid size from 10-man through 25-man. |
| 21:16.32 | KarlKFI|work | if blizzard can auto generate levels for diablo i'm possitive they have the knowhow to auto generate boss difficulty |
| 21:17.08 | KarlKFI|work | it may be hard and take time, but it's not impossible and is not obviously a bad idea |
| 21:17.11 | foxlit | I think you're comparing apples to writing desks. |
| 21:17.19 | ZorbaTHut | diablo's a different deal entirely - it's a largely singleplayer game, and they can have unexpected difficulty spikes |
| 21:17.30 | ZorbaTHut | wow bosses are precisely tuned to be a specific level of difficulty |
| 21:17.45 | ZorbaTHut | in diablo, as long as *on average* it's the same relatively low level, it's good. |
| 21:18.17 | KarlKFI|work | and average isn't good enough in wow? when you're playing the same boss over and over and over with potentially different number of people |
| 21:18.38 | KarlKFI|work | seems to me the difference in difficulty would be refreshing |
| 21:18.43 | ZorbaTHut | average is absolutely not good enough in wow :) |
| 21:18.58 | ZorbaTHut | wow takes a very different form of game balance - one with fixed tiers, rather than a slog through a swamp. |
| 21:19.12 | KarlKFI|work | more variance -> more replayability |
| 21:19.38 | ZorbaTHut | depends on the style of game. for something like WoW, no, not at all. |
| 21:19.48 | ZorbaTHut | WoW is a puzzle game, in many ways |
| 21:20.01 | ZorbaTHut | randomly generating puzzles is difficult at best, and nigh-impossible at worst |
| 21:20.04 | KarlKFI|work | what, you've never beaten 10man and then moved to a new guidl to do the 25 of the same instances? |
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| 21:20.31 | ZorbaTHut | in general the 10-man's and 25-man's behave the same, it's just (vastly different) numbers involved |
| 21:20.42 | ZorbaTHut | if you wanted to make that comparison, going from nonheroic to heroic would be a better example |
| 21:20.56 | KarlKFI|work | makign my poitn for me |
| 21:21.22 | ZorbaTHut | why? the nonheroic/heroic jump isn't there for variance |
| 21:21.25 | durcyn | http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1i4o6maUM1qz4u07o1_r1_500.png |
| 21:21.28 | olafski | average would suck.. one night you'd nearly kill a boss, then the next you'd not even come close only because you had one extra player |
| 21:21.28 | ZorbaTHut | it's not like you're fighting Version A and Version B |
| 21:21.43 | ZorbaTHut | it's a jump in difficulty. It's a puzzle with more dead ends and false choices. |
| 21:21.48 | ZorbaTHut | That's exactly why I call it a puzzle game. |
| 21:21.52 | foxlit | olafski has a point -- wiping to your difficulty scaling mechanism would not be fun. |
| 21:22.18 | foxlit | It works in single player games because you really only have yourself to blame. |
| 21:22.20 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, it's actually worse than that - in diablo, the fights might be easier one night and harder the next |
| 21:22.30 | ZorbaTHut | apply that to WoW and you might just not be able to kill a boss the next week 'cause, hey, he's tougher now |
| 21:22.34 | foxlit | Moving the goal posts for 24 players is an exercise in frustration. |
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| 21:22.44 | ZorbaTHut | the world-first kills of bosses would be based solely on who got the easiest RNG each time |
| 21:22.51 | KarlKFI|work | i dotn see that a big problem foxlit |
| 21:23.02 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 21:23.03 | KarlKFI|work | normally you have 'less' than a max, not more than a min amount of people |
| 21:23.27 | foxlit | And suddenly you're missing that crucial healer. |
| 21:23.31 | foxlit | That extra tank for the adds. |
| 21:23.41 | industrial | gief rogue leveling spec with glyphs etc. http://www.wowhead.com/talent#f |
| 21:23.58 | KarlKFI|work | so if you have 29 raiders you never have this problem. you're always expecting to play with 5 tiers of abilities |
| 21:24.00 | ZorbaTHut | industrial, solo, or lfd? |
| 21:24.18 | KarlKFI|work | if you're down 5 peopel then you get less abilities, not more |
| 21:24.32 | KarlKFI|work | you're not gonna magically have 30 people to raid one day |
| 21:24.48 | ZorbaTHut | also note that you're implying that every monster, at 25 people, has something like six separate abilities |
| 21:24.56 | olafski | I'd say the current way of playing with 24 people on a 25man encounter is preferrable over the scaling idea |
| 21:24.59 | ZorbaTHut | and that's if 10-man only has 3 |
| 21:25.03 | industrial | ZorbaTHut: I've been pvping thusfar, I honestly dont know the difference :P so both! |
| 21:25.13 | ZorbaTHut | I think that as dubious as the rest of your ideas are, adding new abilities is really absolutely awful :) |
| 21:25.13 | industrial | (difference in spec) |
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| 21:25.29 | ZorbaTHut | industrial, the big difference is that solo includes Riposte, which is a really nice ability but useless if you're not being attacked |
| 21:25.38 | KarlKFI|work | ZorbaTHut: I'm not implying anythign like that. you can split up the abilites however you want. change the stats hwoever you want. every boss ha smore than 5 stats |
| 21:25.49 | ZorbaTHut | and lfd includes Slice and Dice, which is a really nice ability if you're fighting constantly but useless if you're spending most of your ability running between monsters |
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| 21:26.10 | ZorbaTHut | oh, screw it, here: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shattered+Halls&n=concealer there's my rogue |
| 21:26.19 | ZorbaTHut | the active spec is the lfd one, the inactive is the largely-neglected solo one |
| 21:26.32 | ZorbaTHut | but all the differences are high up the tree anyway. |
| 21:26.54 | ZorbaTHut | note that he's specced for maces since that's what he's wielding, you'd want to put those points into mace or sword depending on his active weapons |
| 21:27.09 | industrial | i have 2 daggers so |
| 21:27.12 | industrial | (BoA) |
| 21:27.14 | KarlKFI|work | you coudl have 1 set of abilites at 10 and one at 25 and jsut scale stats between,t hen i dont care |
| 21:27.20 | ZorbaTHut | in that case you wouldn't be doing combat spec anyway, from what I understand |
| 21:27.22 | ZorbaTHut | but then I have no idea |
| 21:27.32 | KarlKFI|work | how it's implemented doesn't matter to me, jsut that it allows any number of players |
| 21:27.36 | industrial | but close quarters combat also goes for daggers |
| 21:27.54 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but a lot of your other abilities aren't as useful with daggers |
| 21:28.09 | industrial | :S |
| 21:28.17 | ZorbaTHut | you lose a *lot* of melee dps with daggers, and make up for it by using dagger-specific or fast-attack abilities |
| 21:28.25 | ZorbaTHut | but I don't know how those work, so :D |
| 21:28.43 | Gintaro | combat daggers is dead |
| 21:29.12 | Gintaro | Either you go fist/dagger or you go mutilate |
| 21:29.18 | Fisker | LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 21:29.19 | Fisker | http://gizmodo.com/5524843/ |
| 21:29.25 | Fisker | madcuzbad Apple? |
| 21:32.15 | Zyn | I lol'd |
| 21:32.22 | Zyn | THOU UPSET |
| 21:33.02 | DWSR | Is there a way to search your own Auctioneer database for information about an item without actually having that item on you? |
| 21:33.32 | nevcairiel | forge a link to the item |
| 21:33.43 | nevcairiel | like, using any item browser |
| 21:34.43 | DWSR | Besides that. |
| 21:34.55 | DWSR | Basically, I want to search my AH snapshot as if I was actually at the AH. |
| 21:36.12 | Dagmar | Well, you can sort of do it with Auctioneer, but it's the search UI and not the interface you might be used to |
| 21:37.05 | DWSR | Yeah, that's fine. As long as you can actually do it. |
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| 21:44.25 | foxlit | "Macbook Pro's startup sound is bear for 'Bring it.'" |
| 21:45.15 | Shirik | ..? |
| 21:45.38 | Dagmar | "it" being "the repairman" |
| 21:45.57 | Dagmar | If it sounds like a noise a bear would make, you have problems. |
| 21:51.36 | Kraps | wut http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24401906388/perhaps-blizzard-has-forgotten/ |
| 21:54.14 | DWSR | bad troll |
| 21:59.01 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:59.05 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 21:59.08 | Fisker | alting kan gå itu...itu.itu |
| 21:59.13 | Shirik | hai |
| 21:59.15 | Fisker | Ã
RH YEAH DU SKYLDER MIG TUUUUUSIIIIIIIIIIND KRONER |
| 21:59.52 | Cide | nope |
| 21:59.58 | Cide | I don't owe you anything |
| 22:00.01 | Fisker | ikke dig Cide men Shirik |
| 22:00.08 | Cide | shirik doesn't either I bet |
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| 22:01.44 | cog|work | hipeppeppy |
| 22:01.44 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 22:01.44 | Lopeppeppy | oh hi there. |
| 22:01.45 | Lopeppeppy | I think I got the project from hell done and on to the next editor. Wheee. |
| 22:01.45 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy isn't it right that Shirik skylder mig tusind kroner? |
| 22:02.21 | Shirik | negative |
| 22:02.24 | Shirik | I do not owe you anything |
| 22:02.30 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 22:02.36 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 22:02.43 | Kraps | Fisker |
| 22:02.46 | Lopeppeppy | Um, I'm not brain dead enough to agree to legalese in a foreign language. |
| 22:02.51 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 22:02.53 | Kraps | THEN WHO WAS PHONE |
| 22:02.57 | Fisker | i wish Lopeppeppy |
| 22:03.06 | Cide | halp me Shirik |
| 22:03.25 | Cide | I always lose to terran 1v1 |
| 22:03.40 | Dagmar | Shirik skylder Fisker tusind prygl |
| 22:03.43 | Shirik | um |
| 22:03.59 | Shirik | cannon rush |
| 22:04.04 | Cide | o ok |
| 22:04.06 | Cide | .. |
| 22:04.09 | Shirik | :P |
| 22:04.29 | Fisker | do want Dagmar |
| 22:04.30 | Shirik | but really I'm awful at 1v1, and more awful at playing against terran |
| 22:04.42 | Kraps | http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/037/739/small/2010-01-25_10.09.55.jpg?1264560872 |
| 22:04.43 | Shirik | zealots rape marines, I'll tell you that |
| 22:04.50 | Shirik | are you trying to play fast-paced? |
| 22:04.57 | Cide | marines? |
| 22:05.08 | Cide | they turtle and then mass marauders with concussive shells |
| 22:05.13 | Fisker | do it Shirik |
| 22:05.21 | Thunder_Child | do it to it |
| 22:05.22 | Shirik | that's why I'm saying to try to play fast paced |
| 22:05.37 | Cide | can't get a zealot in before the wall on most maps |
| 22:05.43 | Cide | and then they get a marine |
| 22:06.12 | foxlit | Be happy if they're only massing marauders |
| 22:06.15 | Shirik | if they're massing mauraders, air is always a good idea |
| 22:06.36 | Shirik | if marines are included, collosi |
| 22:06.47 | Fisker | please do it Shirik |
| 22:06.49 | Cide | air isn't very good as toss |
| 22:06.51 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:06.53 | foxlit | You must construct additional warp prisms. |
| 22:06.54 | Shirik | stalkers |
| 22:06.57 | Shirik | stalkers jumping up |
| 22:07.02 | Shirik | really pisses off terran |
| 22:07.33 | Cide | marauders demolish stalkers |
| 22:07.43 | Cide | colossi are very late |
| 22:08.17 | foxlit | Drop zealots into his mineral line |
| 22:08.28 | Cide | that gives some harassment, sure |
| 22:08.38 | foxlit | By the time marauders show up, you will have killed half the SCVs; just put them back into the prism and go harass another point. |
| 22:09.02 | Cide | just seems like they can get a pretty sizable army of marauders and some marines |
| 22:09.05 | foxlit | Void rays are surprisingly effective against groups of targets once they reach the high-damage mode. |
| 22:09.08 | Cide | and it demolishes anything cost for cost |
| 22:09.26 | Cide | and they can get that fairly early |
| 22:11.30 | Cide | if I start teching to void rays early it would seem to me that they could just push through my front door easily |
| 22:12.10 | foxlit | Did I mention how annoying sentries are? |
| 22:12.18 | Cide | they're nice |
| 22:12.32 | foxlit | On small-choke maps, you can keep a ground army at your front door for ages. |
| 22:13.06 | foxlit | I tend to like zealots with charge. |
| 22:13.07 | Lunessa | j.f.c - I've been here since 11 and spent all this time on a stupid rush project. |
| 22:13.49 | foxlit | iirc, they win a 1v1 match versus a marauder, and have the bonus effect of soaking damage from the bio ball. |
| 22:14.12 | Cide | yeah |
| 22:14.18 | Cide | but charge is 200/200 and takes FOREVER to research |
| 22:14.42 | foxlit | Apply chrono boosts liberally. |
| 22:15.20 | foxlit | My SC2 theorycrafting generally ins't good -- it'd be better to look at a particular replay. |
| 22:15.22 | Cide | concussive shells is 50/50 and takes like a minute |
| 22:15.44 | Cide | shrug |
| 22:16.08 | Cide | probably doable with amazing sentry micro but for the terran it's basically just attack move |
| 22:18.24 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Lunessa. |
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| 22:20.41 | Lunessa | lurvs Lopeppeppy right back. |
| 22:21.29 | foxlit | Cide: how many marauders are we talking about, anyhow? |
| 22:21.38 | Cide | like 10? |
| 22:21.47 | Cide | and some marines |
| 22:22.41 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 22:23.18 | Cide | vs maybe 5 zealots and 3 sentries and a stalker |
| 22:23.56 | foxlit | You could stand to build more zealots. |
| 22:24.07 | Cide | last game this happened it was right after a big push |
| 22:24.56 | Cide | where I got all of his units but I finally died, but he managed to rebuild a lot faster than I did |
| 22:25.22 | foxlit | That is extremely odd. |
| 22:25.34 | Adys | Aboard a vehicle on a FPS, what's a good place to show health bars? |
| 22:25.49 | Adys | corner, bottomcenter, centerhud |
| 22:26.14 | foxlit | If we're talking zero to an army with all of the production buildings intact, your warp gates should've done a much better job than his barracks. |
| 22:26.27 | foxlit | Typically, we're talking what, 4-5 gates versus 2-3 barracks? |
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| 22:27.54 | foxlit | But anyhow, discussing this in a void is futile :( |
| 22:30.03 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:30.09 | Fisker | good night |
| 22:34.05 | Shirik | good night |
| 22:34.14 | Shirik | foxlit: Try discussing it in a void* |
| 22:34.18 | Shirik | Everything works there |
| 22:35.11 | alestane | [Vigorous Shoulderpads of the Foreseer]? |
| 22:35.17 | alestane | That's a new suffix on me. |
| 22:35.42 | Cide | foxlit: 4-5 gates is insane early game on one base |
| 22:35.49 | Cide | 2 is more likely, 3 is pushing it that early |
| 22:36.19 | foxlit | If someone built 10 marauders after a push that wiped out all their forces, you're no longer in the early game. |
| 22:37.02 | foxlit | [Then again, perhaps you just attack sooner and on a smaller scale compared to my games.] |
| 22:37.04 | alestane | pets Lopeppeppy contentedly. Yay project! |
| 22:38.38 | Cide | no idea there |
| 22:39.06 | Cide | early game to me is zealot/sentry/stalker etc |
| 22:39.24 | Cide | mid game is when you transition to some tech to try and stir up some trouble |
| 22:39.37 | Cide | late game is all in everything |
| 22:40.25 | Adys | any hardcore or ex hardcore pvper in here? |
| 22:40.27 | Cide | to me, anyway |
| 22:40.27 | Adys | in any game |
| 22:40.47 | Cide | I heard your mom likes some player vs player |
| 22:40.58 | Cide | I'll go get my coat |
| 22:40.59 | Adys | Are you, Cide |
| 22:42.10 | alestane | "Politicians are universally reviled, because they are craven unbeings whose every word is a lie. I have some sympathy for them though, however misplaced, because I have on occasion been thrust into a bright light with a microphone in my hand, and made to field questions from a mass of beings I cannot truly see. I would have consented to any demand under those harrowing conditions, and maybe this is something you can take advantage of |
| 22:42.10 | alestane | next PAX." |
| 22:43.05 | foxlit | Hey, lookouts, again. |
| 22:44.13 | Cide | Adys: am I? |
| 22:44.22 | Adys | Cide: do you pvp a lot |
| 22:44.26 | Cide | not in wow |
| 22:44.31 | Adys | in any game |
| 22:44.33 | Cide | been doing a bunch of sc2 pvp lately! |
| 22:44.45 | Adys | rts pvp isnt the same |
| 22:44.50 | Cide | oh ok |
| 22:44.53 | Adys | i was talking more along the lines of FPS |
| 22:44.53 | Cide | (why not?) |
| 22:45.02 | Cide | played some counter-strike and q3 back in the days |
| 22:45.21 | Adys | I need good advice on where the health bar is appropriate |
| 22:45.33 | Adys | I'm too used to having it in the topleft corner |
| 22:45.52 | Adys | and i realize a lot of people move unitframes to the center of the screen |
| 22:46.17 | Cide | um |
| 22:46.19 | Cide | bottom center? |
| 22:46.41 | Adys | well I dont know |
| 22:47.11 | Adys | i was thinking, chat in the bottomleft, bottomright contactlist |
| 22:47.50 | Cide | why chat and contact list? |
| 22:48.08 | Adys | bottom of the screen is something you can easily focus on |
| 22:48.13 | Cide | exactly |
| 22:48.21 | Cide | why put chat and contact list there? |
| 22:48.35 | Adys | well, its the sort of place you can look at for a longer time |
| 22:48.52 | Adys | health ideally needs to be very visible at all time, but not too encumbering |
| 22:49.13 | Shirik | see I don't agree with that |
| 22:49.21 | Shirik | like let's say you're a soldier |
| 22:49.26 | Shirik | do you get to see how much health you have? |
| 22:49.32 | Shirik | no, you just keep fighting |
| 22:49.50 | Cide | lol |
| 22:49.53 | Cide | soldiers can't heal |
| 22:49.54 | Shirik | I like what games have been doing lately, hiding the health from the player |
| 22:49.56 | Cide | and don't have evasion |
| 22:50.03 | Shirik | what you mean bunny hops don't work irl? |
| 22:50.08 | Cide | yes |
| 22:50.10 | Cide | that's what I mean |
| 22:50.13 | Cide | anyway that can be fun also |
| 22:50.14 | Cide | but not in wow |
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| 22:51.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 22:51.58 | alestane | Apparently saving new static DNS settings reboots your router. |
| 22:52.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:52.33 | Shirik | fail |
| 22:54.09 | alestane | Yeah, it didn't seem like a force-reboot scenario to me either. |
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| 22:55.45 | Cide | easy way out |
| 22:56.05 | Cide | same reason why programs want to reboot windows after every single installation ever |
| 22:59.45 | alestane | "There's a girl at 7-11 apologizing for her behavior and asking if she can get her shoes back." |
| 23:02.02 | Lunessa | alestane: I only hope to have such stories to tell after this coming weekend. |
| 23:02.12 | Thunder_Child | well you know where to post them |
| 23:02.39 | alestane | Along with "all they had in the fridge was rum and filled water balloons," Lunessa. |
| 23:03.07 | Lunessa | All I have in my fridge at home is vodka. Hell, I don't even have any mixers. |
| 23:06.30 | alestane | Not a bad slogan: http://www.snorgtees.com/iflifegivesyoulemons-p-962.html?osCsid=34fa1174c0ae6630ae8851a3bcb11594 |
| 23:09.07 | A-KO | http://www.snorgtees.com/images/TurtleShells_Fullpic_1.gif |
| 23:09.09 | A-KO | I'm tempted to get that one |
| 23:13.33 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/aisle-be-watching-you/5171 ...I know what I must do. Darwin whispers to me at night. |
| 23:14.15 | alestane | He says, "Kill the Unfit! KILL the UNFIT!" |
| 23:14.52 | Kraps | is there a reason a disc priest would choose the spirit set over the crit? all the spirit talents are in holy and disc lives on crit http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=41854:41859:41864:41869:41874;41915:41921:41927:41934:41940 |
| 23:15.15 | Lunessa | alestane: I wouldn't be broke if the voices in my head would pay rent. |
| 23:23.41 | Lunessa | LOL - "Because I hover over the guild like the cold hand of death. " |
| 23:25.48 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/cereally-stupid/5161 .... What? |
| 23:26.53 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/a-funny-lark-thats-tough-to-swallow/5155 ..."raptor rehabilitation" makes me think of something else since reading XKCD. |
| 23:28.22 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 23:28.24 | Fisker | you got f'd |
| 23:32.01 | Kraps | Lunessa: i'm on my old server leveling my 76 priest in bgs |
| 23:32.11 | Lunessa | How's the XP? |
| 23:32.44 | Kraps | not too terrible |
| 23:32.52 | Kraps | playing as disc |
| 23:33.03 | Kraps | its pretty cool |
| 23:33.26 | Thrae | I made an error so bad I broke all addons. |
| 23:33.40 | Kraps | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Dalvengyr&cn=Mornsen&gn=Draconian+Brotherhood |
| 23:33.54 | Lunessa | *nod* I've been doing some BGs in preparation for Children's Week and for getting the PVP mounts. |
| 23:33.54 | Fisker | all addons in the world Thrae ? |
| 23:34.44 | Thrae | Fisker: Nope, just my addon environment |
| 23:35.12 | Kraps | i liked healing bgs on my shammy but i think disc is more suited to it |
| 23:39.24 | Cide | alestane: I'm pretty certain like half of the quotes on notalwaysright.com are entirely made up |
| 23:41.09 | alestane | I actually hope so, Cide. Otherwise there are some people out there seriously in need of a Darwin award. |
| 23:41.57 | alestane | But then again, never underestimate the power of mind-boggling stupidity. |
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| 23:53.56 | Thunder_Child | whts the / command to release? |
| 23:54.11 | alestane | Release spirit from your corpse? |
| 23:54.15 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 23:54.20 | alestane | Don't know that there is one. |
| 23:54.23 | Lopeppeppy | has brainz leaking out her earz. |
| 23:54.39 | alestane | stoppers Peppy's ears back up, she'll need those later. |
| 23:54.47 | Thunder_Child | sthere is |
| 23:54.49 | Shadowed | Sounds like a result of too much boobquake! |
| 23:54.51 | Thunder_Child | there is* |
| 23:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | No. I'm made of schtoooop'd |
| 23:54.55 | Shadowed | even your brains have jellified |
| 23:55.13 | Lopeppeppy | Shadowed, I am immune to boobquake. I participate, but they sights do not move me. |
| 23:55.30 | Kraps | how do i configure grid to show if someone has weakened soul? |
| 23:56.20 | alestane | Could try doing a find in file on ChatFrame.lua for the API call, Thunder_Child. |
| 23:57.10 | Thunder_Child | If for whatever reason you can't release your spirit by conventional means there is a Slash Command that will release you: |
| 23:57.17 | Thunder_Child | "/run RepopMe()" |
| 23:57.32 | Thunder_Child | wowiki > chatframe.lua |
| 23:57.44 | alestane | Ah, well there's a /command for any API call by that logic. |
| 23:57.45 | foxlit | There is no slash command. |
| 23:58.08 | foxlit | The default UI kind of assumes you won't be able to dismiss the static popup without resolving it one way or another. |
| 23:58.51 | foxlit | wowwiki's random() docs mentioned it uses the default C random number generator, which is awesome. |
| 23:58.52 | Thunder_Child | well alestane, that was what i was asking |
| 23:59.59 | alestane | My literal turn of mind makes a distinction between "What is the /command to release my spirit" and "What can I type into the chat box to release my spirit," sorry. |
