IRC log for #wowuidev on 20100425

`00:00.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`[Adys]:`
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`00:48.56`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh god this is fucking great http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r86NLwCYXfk`
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`01:27.55`	`foxlit`	`SC2 ladder resets lead to the craziest games`
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`01:33.51`	`Cide`	`aye`
`01:36.59`	`foxlit`	`Had a random doubles match where my teammate started out by building three command centers`
`01:37.11`	`foxlit`	`Then around 7 starports with tech labs`
`01:38.08`	`foxlit`	`An opponent basically spammed nothing but reapers out of 4 barracks.`
`01:39.20`	`foxlit`	`I suspect my hidden rating has dropped down to "Mildly insane" league :/`
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`01:41.53`	`foxlit`	`Or perhaps that's just the automatic effect of playing at 4am`
`01:42.11`	`Cide`	`I don't think so`
`01:42.36`	`Cide`	`in my experience people who play at night seem to be better`
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`01:48.02`	`olafski`	`how can you even think that starting with 3 command centers is a good idea? :s`
`01:48.18`	`olafski`	`just basing this on my limited knowledge about SC, never played or seen SC2 btw :P`
`01:49.52`	`fiercerest`	`How long do new projects on curseforge usually take to be approved?`
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`01:55.09`	`Cide`	`years`
`01:55.10`	`Cide`	`YEARS`
`01:57.35`	`Amarande`	`fiercerest: we will make sure your projects are queued as DPS`
`01:57.35`	`Amarande`	`for Dire Maul West, LBRS, and Stratholme Undead`
`01:57.35`	`kd3`	`blah`
`01:57.40`	`kd3`	`getting called in to work on a day off sucks`
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`02:01.51`	`foxlit`	`olafski: how can you even think that starting with 3 command centers is a good idea? :s << It's just madness.`
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`02:02.34`	`foxlit`	`If (and only if) you know that your opponent will turtle in his base for an eternity, you can derive a benefit from having access to six geysers.`
`02:03.08`	`foxlit`	`But otherwise, expanding too early is the #1 cause of losses.`
`02:04.08`	`Iriel`	`I thought being me was the #1 cause of losses`
`02:04.55`	`kd3`	`ouch?`
`02:05.04`	`A-KO`	`hmm`
`02:05.09`	`A-KO`	`looking for a new computer chair....`
`02:05.12`	`Iriel`	`I've lose 100% of the last series of games`
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`02:05.27`	`A-KO`	`and it seems that the ones that are rated for 5+ hours per day are really crappy and uncomfortable looking`
`02:05.41`	`Iriel`	`A-KO find a second hand Aeron? (Note: Make sure you get the right size for your body)`
`02:06.36`	`A-KO`	`there seem to be a lot of comfortable ones rated for moderate use (3-5 hours/day) lol`
`02:06.42`	`A-KO`	`but I sit at my PC for far longer than that most of the time`
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`02:10.00`	`A-KO`	`omg`
`02:10.04`	`A-KO`	`wow those are pricey...`
`02:10.12`	`kd3`	`aerons?`
`02:10.13`	`kd3`	`yup`
`02:11.00`	`A-KO`	`god damn`
`02:11.02`	`A-KO`	`yeaaaaah`
`02:11.05`	`A-KO`	`don't think I could afford that :P`
`02:11.12`	`A-KO`	`http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/363381/Raynor-Miranda-Multifunction-High-Back-Chair/ < thinking about this one`
`02:12.23`	`Iriel`	`A-KO: Thus the 'second hand' 8-)`
`02:12.28`	`A-KO`	`lol`
`02:14.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Aerons are amazing`
`02:14.14`	`A-KO`	`and amazingly expensive`
`02:14.24`	`A-KO`	`I understand the value of worrying about one's health, but shit`
`02:14.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I have one (stolen from the conference room) at work`
`02:14.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Absolutely worth it`
`02:14.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I have less migraines, less back pain, and less general neck tension`
`02:15.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I can't really stick a dollar value on that`
`02:15.16`	`A-KO`	`true`
`02:15.20`	`A-KO`	`but at the same time`
`02:15.26`	`A-KO`	`it's a $1200 chair dude`
`02:15.27`	`A-KO`	`lol`
`02:15.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If you're not as messed up as I am, then sure whatever`
`02:15.49`	`A-KO`	`and as much as I would love to have the best seating arrangement for my PC`
`02:15.55`	`A-KO`	`I don't have that kind of dough to throw around`
`02:15.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`yeah, but I will easily lose $1200 worth of work in a year just due to my back/neck pain and migraines`
`02:16.04`	`ScytheBlade1`	`In reality, probably a lot more than that`
`02:16.39`	`A-KO`	`the only time I've really got back pain is when I'm doing a lot of bending over.....also....I do get migraines from time to time but I usually take something like excedrin migraine and it helps`
`02:16.49`	`A-KO`	`and atm, I'm only 26...so I'm trying to head off any further/future problems as I age :P`
`02:16.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'm 22 :p`
`02:17.00`	`A-KO`	`but nonetheless, still don't have that much $ to drop on a chair`
`02:17.16`	`Amarande`	`you youngins`
`02:17.31`	`Amarande`	`ehh, can I really call you folks youngins ... my current love is 18`
`02:17.34`	`Amarande`	`and I'm 30`
`02:17.35`	`Amarande`	`so yeah`
`02:17.37`	`Amarande`	`:P`
`02:17.49`	`A-KO`	`lol`
`02:17.51`	`kd3`	`robbing the cradle, are we?`
`02:17.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`^`
`02:18.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`no`
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`02:21.07`	`Cide`	`I'm over 9000`
`02:22.37`	`Iriel`	`A-KO: Not really 1200 - http://www.sit4less.com/landing-pages/aeron-chairs/126`
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`02:23.00`	`Shirik`	`.........`
`02:23.04`	`Shirik`	`nagios = dumbass`
`02:23.23`	`Shirik`	`** PROBLEM Service alert: BUILDSERVER/C:\ Drive space is CRITICAL`
`02:23.30`	`Shirik`	`so I'm like "ok check the hard drive" it has 100GB free`
`02:23.44`	`Kraps`	`http://www.thedailyblink.com/2010/04/classic-periodicals-7-warriors/`
`02:23.48`	`Shirik`	`So I look at the details`
`02:23.49`	`Shirik`	`CRITICAL - Socket timeout after 10 seconds`
`02:24.00`	`Shirik`	`It complained for a minute-long power outage ._.`
`02:24.11`	`Shirik`	`one would think it could come up with a better message than "Drive space is critical"`
`02:24.22`	`Corrodias`	`that is awesome, Kraps`
`02:25.53`	`Cide`	`Shirik: that's even worse than a template error`
`02:27.23`	`Shirik`	`kraps`
`02:27.27`	`Shirik`	`stop making my power go out`
`02:27.42`	`Kraps`	`Shirik`
`02:28.03`	`Kraps`	`amazon has a headphone store`
`02:28.18`	`Kraps`	`your argument is invalid`
`02:29.03`	`Amarande`	`Cide: that reminds me of the time I tried to install FreeBSD and it couldn't read the CD during install, citing "I/O error"`
`02:29.05`	`Amarande`	`like`
`02:29.10`	`ZorbaTHut`	`shirik's hair is a bird`
`02:29.15`	`Amarande`	`I KNOW THERE'S AN I/O ERROR, DERP IT COULDN'T READ THE DISC`
`02:29.20`	`Corrodias`	`CACAW CACAW`
`02:31.21`	`Mikk`	`my hair has a bird`
`02:31.41`	`Kraps`	`http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2010/13/image/a/format/xlarge_web/`
`02:31.42`	`Mikk`	`or, citing wobin, i'm a damn fine programmer for an african grey`
`02:31.51`	`Mikk`	`but i should have a doctor look at that protrusion from my feet`
`02:32.34`	`Amarande`	`Mikk: you're mutating`
`02:32.40`	`Corrodias`	`nice, Kraps...`
`02:33.04`	`Cide`	`why does msvc crash like every 30 min`
`02:33.08`	`Cide`	`oh`
`02:33.15`	`Cide`	`Unable to connect to the remote server`
`02:33.16`	`Kraps`	`hubble is 20 years old`
`02:33.16`	`Cide`	`thanks Shirik!`
`02:33.34`	`Shirik`	`?`
`02:33.40`	`Shirik`	`...`
`02:33.42`	`Shirik`	`my power just went out`
`02:33.44`	`Shirik`	`wtf you want from me`
`02:33.48`	`Amarande`	`I thought you said "hubbie is 20 years old" and was thinking "Kraps is a girl?"`
`02:33.57`	`Cide`	`get more reliable power!`
`02:34.03`	`Kraps`	`huh`
`02:34.04`	`Amarande`	`Shirik: you need to get UPS`
`02:34.05`	`Shirik`	`actually I have some of the most reliable power in the state`
`02:34.19`	`Cide`	`do you see anyone else in here without power?`
`02:34.22`	`Kraps`	`whats stronger than a facepalm?`
`02:34.27`	`Shirik`	`headdesk`
`02:34.36`	`Corrodias`	`yep`
`02:34.54`	`Mikk`	`UPS? move to sweden`
`02:34.57`	`Mikk`	`better uptime than UPSes`
`02:35.01`	`Amarande`	`Shirik: if you don't have enough electricity, obviously you need more ele shammies in your raid`
`02:35.14`	`Shirik`	`._.`
`02:35.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`Mikk: I was going to say something like that, except with Germany instead of Sweden ;D`
`02:35.30`	`Kraps`	`Amarande: i have one!`
`02:35.36`	`Amarande`	`speaking of raids, if I get my hunter to 80 before Cata I need to arrange to create an Uld25 raid that doesn't include any other hunters`
`02:35.38`	`Cide`	`see`
`02:35.41`	`Cide`	`sweden > your power`
`02:36.06`	`Amarande`	`or if there are other hunters, they all have ilvl 232 or better ranged anyway`
`02:36.16`	`Mikk`	`last outage i had was something like 10 years ago`
`02:36.17`	`Amarande`	`(you can tell what I'm after, right?)`
`02:36.23`	`Mikk`	`before that i don't even remember`
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`02:38.13`	`Cide`	`Kraps: I have the perfect picture for you, sec`
`02:38.55`	`ZorbaTHut`	`why uld25? why not get better stuff?`
`02:39.20`	`ZorbaTHut`	`and note that you can get a 226 ranged weapon out of 5-mans`
`02:39.31`	`Cide`	`<Kraps> whats stronger than a facepalm?`
`02:39.34`	`Cide`	`http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs489.snc3/26727_10150161112970472_630120471_12013606_8229867_n.jpg`
`02:39.36`	`Amarande`	`Zorba: depends on what I can raid up to, but I'd probably need the uld25 bow or the ICC5 crossbow before being able to do ICC or TOGC anyway`
`02:39.47`	`Amarande`	`unless I use guns, anyways.`
`02:39.59`	`Amarande`	`which is more attractive to stick with now that there's no point to bothering with getting the 91.5 arrow schematic`
`02:40.06`	`Amarande`	`since that's going to vanish into the ether with cata anyway`
`02:40.07`	`ZorbaTHut`	`the icc5 crossbow would be perfectly fine in totc25, and if the rest of your gear is reasonably good, in icc raids as well`
`02:40.18`	`Shirik`	`omfg Cide`
`02:40.20`	`Kraps`	`Cide: heh`
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`02:40.26`	`Shirik`	`that's an awesome picture if not only for the reason that I don't think it was photoshopped`
`02:40.28`	`Amarande`	`I do know there's an INCREDIBLE dearth of regular bows in LK, otoh`
`02:40.35`	`Amarande`	`there's the 264 from ... I forget where in ICC`
`02:40.40`	`Amarande`	`there's the 232 from Auriaya 25`
`02:40.48`	`Cide`	`Shirik: yeah, I don't think it was shopped either`
`02:40.56`	`Amarande`	`and the other 232+ are ALL either heroic raid only, or require stupidly high amounts of PvP rating`
`02:41.04`	`Amarande`	`(like ... 2200 stupidly high)`
`02:41.29`	`Amarande`	`I wonder if this is going to be a continuing trend in Cata`
`02:41.49`	`Amarande`	`like, technology is progressing in Azeroth and so bows are to be lore-wise thought of as obsolescing in favor of x-bows and guns?`
`02:42.22`	`Amarande`	`(especially since Cata would provide the perfect groundwork for such a trend to continue, what with no longer needing to worry about what weapon skills a player has maxed)`
`02:43.06`	`A-KO`	`wonder if they're going to feat of strength or simply remove the achievements for weapon skill :P`
`02:45.24`	`A-KO`	`are there any good bow enchants for like a level 40 something hunter?`
`02:45.28`	`Shirik`	`Cide`
`02:45.28`	`Shirik`	`ffs`
`02:45.31`	`Shirik`	`stop messing with my power`
`02:45.33`	`Cide`	`lol`
`02:45.38`	`Cide`	`I even killed msvc just for you`
`02:46.57`	`Amarande`	`A-KO: +5 damage scope`
`02:47.20`	`Amarande`	`and I suspect that they'll probably stick with the usual practice, which seems to be that achievements that are no longer obtainable become FoS for those who had them`
`02:48.30`	`Amarande`	`does anyone actually HAVE this? http://www.wowhead.com/item=50733`
`02:50.55`	`Amarande`	`wow, the crossbow from ICC5 might actually be better`
`02:51.00`	`Amarande`	`according to the wowhead comparison`
`02:51.23`	`Amarande`	`http://www.wowhead.com/compare?items=50262;45327`
`02:51.34`	`Amarande`	`which one actually is better (assuming MM)?`
`02:51.44`	`Corrodias`	`Monster Mash`
`02:51.47`	`Corrodias`	`it was a graveyard smash`
`02:52.02`	`Amarande`	`:P`
`02:53.15`	`Amarande`	`seems there is something around a three point hunter score difference in favor of the X-bow`
`02:55.21`	`harl`	`good night everyone`
`02:55.50`	`Corrodias`	`ni`
`02:58.54`	`Shirik`	`ok regex guys`
`02:59.10`	`Shirik`	`how do I check to see if something has a ! in it, but is not a <!--`
`02:59.20`	`Shirik`	`Right now I'm doing (?<!\<)!`
`02:59.24`	`Shirik`	`but that also exempts <!haha`
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`03:07.41`	`Cide`	`(?<!\)!(?!--)`
`03:07.41`	`Cide`	`?`
`03:08.16`	`Cide`	`er`
`03:08.24`	`Cide`	`(?<!\<)!(?!--)`
`03:08.39`	`Cide`	`pretty sure you don't need the \ anyway`
`03:08.42`	`Cide`	`but maybe you do`
`03:09.01`	`Cide`	`any sc2 zerg player in here?`
`03:09.21`	`Shirik`	`um`
`03:09.23`	`Shirik`	`you can't do that`
`03:09.29`	`Cide`	`why not?`
`03:09.37`	`Shirik`	`because <!blah blah would still not match`
`03:09.47`	`Shirik`	`because the negative lookbehind/ahead works like an "or" not an "and"`
`03:10.08`	`Shirik`	`I had considered that too`
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`03:13.27`	`Cide`	`(<!(?!--))\|(?<!<)!`
`03:14.22`	`Cide`	`either a <! followed by NOT --, or ! not preceded by <`
`03:15.07`	`Shirik`	`wow that's an insane regex`
`03:15.15`	`Cide`	`<!(?!--)\|(?<!<)! works too`
`03:15.34`	`mascondante`	`'s brain breaks`
`03:16.03`	`Cide`	`that wasn't that bad :/`
`03:16.09`	`Cide`	`tem where are youuu`
`03:16.16`	`Shirik`	`but the ! changing between content and negative lookahead/behind`
`03:16.20`	`Shirik`	`same with the <`
`03:16.24`	`Shirik`	`it's like "wtf"`
`03:16.24`	`Cide`	`lol yeah`
`03:16.28`	`Cide`	`Mind = blown`
`03:17.03`	`Cide`	`you could escape the content chars for clarity`
`03:17.49`	`mascondante`	`reacharound?`
`03:17.49`	`Shirik`	`but that would make it look less perly`
`03:17.58`	`Cide`	`true`
`03:18.19`	`mascondante`	`:-p`
`03:18.48`	`Cide`	`http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs489.snc3/26727_10150161112970472_630120471_12013606_8229867_n.jpg`
`03:18.53`	`Cide`	`for reacharounds`
`03:19.32`	`Mikk`	`"If you have a problem, and think regex is the solution, you have two problems."`
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`03:20.43`	`Trela`	`You confuse me Mikk.`
`03:21.21`	`Cide`	`the lack of zerg players in here annoys me`
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`03:21.57`	`Mikk`	`i think you need to have an evil streak to you to enjoy zerg`
`03:22.19`	`Mikk`	`"aaaahahaha adrenalin glanded zergling rush MAUAHAHAHA"`
`03:22.39`	`Shirik`	`and then I got hahahahah owned by supply depots`
`03:23.05`	`Cide`	`I'm trying a new strategy vs zerg but I keep facing protoss 1v1`
`03:23.11`	`Cide`	`so I can't see how well it works`
`03:23.30`	`Shirik`	`the only problems I have against zerg are roaches`
`03:23.42`	`Shirik`	`I just don't know how to deal with them except with tanks, and that's not really an option early on`
`03:24.01`	`Cide`	`battlecruisers`
`03:24.16`	`Cide`	`ravens with HSM`
`03:24.20`	`Cide`	`nukes`
`03:24.20`	`Shirik`	`...`
`03:24.28`	`Shirik`	`how about something available during the roach attack`
`03:24.39`	`Cide`	`3/3 thors`
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`03:25.23`	`Cide`	`dunno how terran would handle roaches to be honest`
`03:30.55`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`03:35.43`	`Legorol`	`how about wall in against roaches, and/or bunkers?`
`03:36.11`	`Legorol`	`also, don't marauders rip roaches apart with concussive shell and skillful kiting?`
`03:36.52`	`Amarande`	`Blizz should have got the Xenomorph license to add to SC2 :S`
`03:38.01`	`Legorol`	`also, roaches only have a range of 3 and marauders have 6, doesn't that help?`
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`03:44.17`	`Amarande`	`hah`
`03:44.18`	`Amarande`	`http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/beau_justice/WoW_Stuffs/gonnadie.jpg`
`03:45.21`	`Amarande`	`oh, and the new official name for the Blood Princes battle is the "Sparkle Twilight Party."`
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`03:59.20`	`Amarande`	`omg.`
`03:59.28`	`Amarande`	`just when you think people don't get more noobish ...`
`03:59.29`	`Amarande`	`http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/beau_justice/WoW_Stuffs/wtfisthisidonteven.jpg`
`04:01.39`	`Amarande`	`those guys will be glad for cata I guess`
`04:01.56`	`Amarande`	`they won't have to worry about such brain-breaking rocket surgery concepts like that spellcasters use spell power :)`
`04:02.25`	`Kraps`	`iknowright`
`04:02.26`	`Trela`	`I guess a crotch punch from a tree is a critical heal.`
`04:02.52`	`Amarande`	`okay, on something I need to think more on`
`04:03.11`	`Amarande`	`if I register as tank on a 58 DW frost pally for Scholomance, am I going to succeed or fail horribly?`
`04:03.16`	`Amarande`	`er`
`04:03.18`	`Amarande`	`not pally`
`04:03.18`	`Amarande`	`DK`
`04:03.19`	`Amarande`	`DK!`
`04:03.20`	`Amarande`	`DAMMIT`
`04:03.25`	`Amarande`	`you know what I meant.`
`04:03.35`	`Amarande`	`I don't even HAVE a pally right now heh`
`04:03.45`	`Kraps`	`wtb DW frost pally`
`04:03.55`	`Trela`	`I remember being severely over powered at level 58.`
`04:04.03`	`Trela`	`Blood tanking was insane.`
`04:04.04`	`Amarande`	`anyway, can a DW frost DK handle tanking scholo, or will I get my ass handed to me and/or not be able to hold aggro?`
`04:04.32`	`Amarande`	`I think I might be a tad worried about Rattlegore, since he does hit like a truck and probably parries`
`04:04.58`	`Amarande`	`maybe the Ravenian, Theolen or what'stheundeadskeletonguy'snameagain`
`04:05.07`	`Amarande`	`the other ones I recall are casters, who shouldn't have an issue with parries`
`04:06.40`	`Kraps`	`wowhead is now aionhead`
`04:07.29`	`Amarande`	`but yeah. mostly I'm wondering if I can hold aggro on Scholo type pulls before I get DnD, and whether I'm going to get parry riposted to death by the melee bosses`
`04:07.41`	`Amarande`	`especially since not only am I DW, but apparently 2.10 axes become stupidly fast with frost spec`
`04:09.33`	`Wobin`	`'stupidly fast'?`
`04:09.46`	`Amarande`	`Wobin: it's something like the speed dropping to 1.67 with improved icy talons, and to 1.39 under some circumstances.`
`04:09.49`	`Wobin`	`don't you want slow weapons if you're tanking?`
`04:09.55`	`Amarande`	`they started as 2.10`
`04:10.01`	`Wobin`	`well, relatively due to damage`
`04:10.11`	`Amarande`	`however, DW-frost spec has talents that greatly speed up swing speed`
`04:10.18`	`Amarande`	`not that I'd normally tank as DW frost`
`04:10.28`	`Amarande`	`but I'm wondering if I could hack it for Scholo so I don't have such stupidly long queues`
`04:10.49`	`Wobin`	`give it a go`
`04:10.55`	`Wobin`	`all that could happen`
`04:10.57`	`Wobin`	`is that you fail`
`04:11.05`	`Wobin`	`and people will pass you off as one of 'those' faildks`
`04:11.35`	`Wobin`	`if you can find some tanking gear, that'd help, though =P`
`04:11.56`	`Wobin`	`cause everyone -hates- the stupid dps plate that queue as tanks`
`04:12.10`	`Amarande`	`well`
`04:12.18`	`Amarande`	`there's a certain point in the lower end of the levels`
`04:12.25`	`Amarande`	`possibly as high as 60 or so from what I've read some places`
`04:12.31`	`Amarande`	`where the normal rules of what a tank needs don't necessarily apply`
`04:12.49`	`Wobin`	`well`
`04:12.51`	`Wobin`	`first of all`
`04:12.52`	`Amarande`	`basically, you pop your "increased threat" stance and don't die, heh`
`04:12.55`	`Wobin`	`do you have the tanking talents?`
`04:13.03`	`Wobin`	`if you don't`
`04:13.07`	`Wobin`	`don't queue as a tank`
`04:13.27`	`Wobin`	`the 5/5/5 is pretty basic for tanking as a DK`
`04:13.42`	`Wobin`	`unless they changed things more =(`
`04:14.22`	`Amarande`	`things seem to be different now from when I first did a DK for sure`
`04:14.30`	`Wobin`	`yeah probably`
`04:14.37`	`Amarande`	`even in the starter area, I was finding the boss where they teach you how to use AMS to be a good bit tougher than he was on my first DK`
`04:14.41`	`Wobin`	`I unholy tanked up til 79`
`04:15.10`	`Wobin`	`back when frost was kinda the pvp tree`
`04:15.13`	`ZorbaTHut`	`amarande, parry riposte is a relatively little effect, and doesn't really matter on bosses that can't twoshot you anyway`
`04:15.37`	`ZorbaTHut`	`and all of those bosses (icecrown bosses) now have the parry flag turned off`
`04:15.47`	`Wobin`	`ZorbaTHut, he's talking scholo =)`
`04:15.59`	`ZorbaTHut`	`yeah, which is why I'm saying parry hasting can basically be ignored :)`
`04:16.01`	`Amarande`	`Yeah, I remember it being mostly BC where people were scared to death of parry riposte`
`04:16.19`	`ZorbaTHut`	`BC was problematical because at least some tanks (warriors) relied on a buff with a strictly limited number of procs`
`04:16.26`	`Wobin`	`oh it was some wotlk too`
`04:16.27`	`ZorbaTHut`	`one extra parry = buff goes away too fast = crushing blow = dead tank`
`04:16.35`	`Wobin`	`I can remember when DW tanking was frowned upon`
`04:16.53`	`Amarande`	`Zorba: = raid wipe = "omg, what the hell were you thinking" "wtf" "dude ..."`
`04:16.56`	`ZorbaTHut`	`that went away in wotlk, and then they started turning parry flag off on everything and getting rid of bosses with heavy melee damage`
`04:17.00`	`Wobin`	`although that was before the defense single weapon runes`
`04:17.18`	`Amarande`	`I'm trying to remember when I get DnD`
`04:17.18`	`ZorbaTHut`	`so yeah today it's meaningless, and it only really applied in raids anyway`
`04:17.33`	`Amarande`	`I know it's sometime before the mid 60s because I've seen DK tanks in BC 5-mans with it`
`04:17.36`	`Amarande`	`but I'm foggy on exactly when`
`04:17.47`	`ZorbaTHut`	`amarande, look it up? ;)`
`04:17.51`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I think it might be 60 though`
`04:17.58`	`Amarande`	`man, I still remember my most noobish comment ever about Death & Decay`
`04:18.04`	`ZorbaTHut`	`yeah, 60`
`04:18.15`	`Amarande`	`see, prior to this noobish comment, I had been to MgT`
`04:18.34`	`Amarande`	`and had had a DK tank, who (though I didn't know it at the time as I hadn't played a DK in a while and thus was foggy on them in general) was using DnD`
`04:18.40`	`Amarande`	`and someone was saying something about not standing in the red bubbles`
`04:18.49`	`Amarande`	`so then I end up going into a PUG in mana tombs`
`04:18.53`	`Amarande`	`and the tank is again a DK`
`04:19.02`	`Amarande`	`and I'm repeatedly warning people against standing in the "red bubbles"`
`04:19.11`	`Amarande`	`and the tank's looking at me like wtf, and eventually he's like "I make those" :\|`
`04:19.16`	`ZorbaTHut`	`whoops :D`
`04:19.26`	`Wobin`	`"You don't like them? =( =( =("`
`04:19.33`	`Amarande`	`well`
`04:19.38`	`Amarande`	`for quite some time he wasn't sure which red bubbles I meant`
`04:19.47`	`Amarande`	`when he finally realized which ones I meant, he mentioned those were actually his DnD :\|`
`04:19.53`	`Wobin`	`granted`
`04:20.04`	`Wobin`	`that's usually a good piece of advice`
`04:20.13`	`Amarande`	`although, you probably don't want to stand in the DnD if you can avoid it, anyway`
`04:20.19`	`Amarande`	`as that means you're in melee range and more likely to pull aggro`
`04:20.44`	`Amarande`	`and pulling aggro is bad mmmkay? especially when your healer is a disc priest :)`
`04:21.00`	`Wobin`	`pft`
`04:21.02`	`Wobin`	`bubble =P`
`04:21.20`	`Amarande`	`actually, I've rarely had people die even in major AoE situations on a disc priest`
`04:21.26`	`Amarande`	`unless things go wrong`
`04:21.30`	`Amarande`	`or it's Kael'thas`
`04:21.41`	`Amarande`	`in which case it seems like par for the course that three people usually die right before the end`
`04:22.19`	`Amarande`	`but the only other time I remember three people dying was against kallithresh, and that was because people were noobs and let him go into hard mode`
`04:25.23`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I've been in a few wipes in BC dungeons`
`04:25.31`	`ZorbaTHut`	`the monsters in front of Sethekk, I think, that mind control`
`04:25.41`	`ZorbaTHut`	`I may have wiped the group that way once or twice`
`04:27.19`	`Amarande`	`fear and mind control are irritating as all fuck.`
`04:30.14`	`Wobin`	`stupid King Dredd`
`04:30.18`	`Wobin`	`or whatever his name is`
`04:30.20`	`ZorbaTHut`	`fear is irritating as all fuck. I have to admit I think mind control is hilarious`
`04:31.00`	`Shirik`	`mind control is for throwing people off ledges`
`04:31.05`	`Shirik`	`and for winning stalemate duels`
`04:31.12`	`Amarande`	`can you still throw alliance invaders off TB with MC?`
`04:31.30`	`kd3`	`yes`
`04:31.45`	`Shirik`	`My favorite way to win duels: Go to the edge of the duel area, MC the person, fear them out of the duel area, then when it's about to expire, MC them and keep them away`
`04:31.46`	`kd3`	`just like you can throw them off the lumber mill`
`04:31.58`	`Shirik`	`well`
`04:32.00`	`Shirik`	`MC or fear first`
`04:32.02`	`Shirik`	`whichever you feel like`
`04:32.05`	`Shirik`	`either way, both have to be used`
`04:34.53`	`Wobin`	`Time for fun!`
`04:35.25`	`Shirik`	`http://YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.COM/ <-- Blame dolby for the link`
`04:35.54`	`Wobin`	`ytmnd has ads now? =(`
`04:36.08`	`Shirik`	`the whole world revolves around money`
`04:36.20`	`Shirik`	`except for cuba but nobody cares about cuba`
`04:37.29`	`Amarande`	`eh, I'm sure cuba has their money`
`04:37.43`	`Amarande`	`there was a communist dictator that tried abolishing money once. it didn't work out very well for him`
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`04:46.05`	`Kraps`	`belair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSkEi8R9fhI&feature=channel`
`04:47.21`	`Shirik`	`lmao`
`04:47.26`	`Shirik`	`So I found this coupon online that I wanted`
`04:47.36`	`Shirik`	`I click on it and they go through this elaborate process to ensure you can only print out one copy`
`04:47.43`	`Shirik`	`installs software, you never see the print dialog, etc.`
`04:48.03`	`Shirik`	`the first thought that goes through my mind is that I could just scan it in...`
`04:48.19`	`Shirik`	`then I outsmarted it... unplugged my printer, let it queue up, and then told the print spooler to make 10 copies`
`04:48.34`	`Shirik`	`so much for their foolproof system, took me 5 minutes`
`04:48.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`they still won`
`04:48.51`	`Arrowmaster`	`you installed their crap software`
`04:48.54`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`04:49.01`	`Arrowmaster`	`probably a rootkit in it`
`04:49.04`	`Shirik`	`truth`
`04:49.13`	`Shirik`	`though I did check its license agreement first`
`04:49.21`	`Shirik`	`I was expecting to see some kind of spyware thing in it`
`04:49.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`i would of run it in a VM anyway`
`04:49.33`	`Wobin`	`couldn't you just.. screengrab it?`
`04:49.36`	`Shirik`	`but then I saw nothing like that and decided that a well-known company wouldn't do that`
`04:49.40`	`Shirik`	`Wobin: You never see it`
`04:49.44`	`Wobin`	`oh`
`04:49.49`	`Wobin`	`what about photocopying the print?`
`04:49.59`	`Shirik`	`(00:47:44) (@Shirik) the first thought that goes through my mind is that I could just scan it in...`
`04:50.04`	`Wobin`	`no no`
`04:50.07`	`Wobin`	`you need to print it`
`04:50.09`	`Wobin`	`put it on a wooden table`
`04:50.12`	`Wobin`	`take a photo of it`
`04:50.16`	`Wobin`	`then scan the photo in!`
`04:50.21`	`Shirik`	`..`
`04:50.29`	`Shirik`	`sadly my camera probably has better DPI than my scanner`
`04:50.29`	`Wobin`	`duh!`
`04:51.40`	`Amarande`	`so, what do you think the next set of metals will be for Cata?`
`04:51.52`	`Amarande`	`(also: do you think they'll ever resort to including 'orichalcum' at some point :D)`
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`04:57.16`	`Wobin`	`Amarande, surely =)`
`04:57.25`	`Wobin`	`except noone will be able to pronounce it =P`
`04:57.54`	`Wobin`	`They could probably create some iron based ore`
`04:58.07`	`Wobin`	`that comes from whatsisface's plates`
`04:58.14`	`Wobin`	`Ferrarium`
`05:09.19`	`fiercerest`	`Does anyone have a mIRC script they reccomend`
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`05:17.38`	`Shirik`	`fiercerest: nbs-irc`
`05:17.44`	`Shirik`	`it is full of epic and win`
`05:17.51`	`Shirik`	`and slight amounts of god`
`05:18.14`	`fiercerest`	`how large an amount`
`05:18.36`	`Shirik`	`\|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\| <-- about that much`
`05:18.53`	`fiercerest`	`although Ackis just approved my mod, so my purpose of being logged in here has lessened`
`05:19.04`	`Wobin`	`not so`
`05:19.10`	`Wobin`	`if anything`
`05:19.18`	`Wobin`	`your purpose of being logged in here has increased`
`05:19.45`	`Wobin`	`you'll be better off as an author, and the community as a whole if you hung around this channel =P`
`05:20.10`	`fiercerest`	`i have 2 addons, although i'd love if people actually used the first one i wrote`
`05:20.23`	`fiercerest`	`but i use it enough that it was worth the nightmare of writing it`
`05:21.06`	`fiercerest`	`i dont spend much time on it though outside of occasional updates/fixes`
`05:21.58`	`fiercerest`	`the other one that i wrote this morning that just got approved is an addon that plays the Zelda sound when you find a hidden passage when Arthas opens the bookshelf in CoS`
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`05:37.14`	`Wobin`	`fiercerest, nice =)`
`05:51.37`	`fiercerest`	`thx`
`05:55.01`	`Adys`	`Thunder_Child: yes?`
`05:55.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`Adys: why doesnt mmo show fishing nodes?`
`05:59.58`	`Iriel`	`Adys: hey i got your code compiled`
`06:00.00`	`Adys`	`Im not recording them`
`06:00.11`	`Adys`	`Iriel: good stuff - did the uploader work?`
`06:00.24`	`Iriel`	`i didn't have a chance to test that`
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`06:13.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`Adys: you should be`
`06:13.52`	`Adys`	`Maybe in cataclysm`
`06:13.59`	`Adys`	`i want to see their so called fishing changes`
`06:13.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`maybe now`
`06:14.40`	`cog\|away`	`>< http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc783525(WS.10).aspx <-- look where the download link takes you`
`06:14.43`	`cog\|away`	`gg MS`
`06:15.18`	`Adys`	`which dl link?`
`06:15.51`	`cog\|away`	`the one right after the words "the download package is available from the"`
`06:15.54`	`cog\|away`	`:P`
`06:16.47`	`cog\|away`	`s/is//`
`06:16.59`	`Adys`	`fail`
`06:20.24`	`cog\|away`	`"pay no attention to the unix-y things behind our curtains"`
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`07:51.50`	`Ashenar`	`Hello ;)`
`07:52.15`	`Ashenar`	`Anyone home? ;P`
`07:53.17`	`Ashenar`	`Well I have a question if anyone is around ;)`
`07:56.23`	`Cairenn`	`ask`
`08:01.46`	`Ashenar`	`oh hehe someone is alive ;) Sorry, I am still new and trying to learn, but difficult to learn when only half the codes are on the web... I got the error that says ... attempting to index global 'self' (a nil value), which I presume it is not set`
`08:01.55`	`Ashenar`	`just wondering how i set it`
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`08:06.27`	`tekkub`	`Ashenar: https://gist.github.com/bc205f2582ba6d7898f2`
`08:07.33`	`mikma`	`cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmzQHZ9lM6k`
`08:08.16`	`Cairenn`	`rofl!`
`08:09.31`	`Ashenar`	`hmm...`
`08:09.40`	`Shirik`	`http://shiibot.com/4circles.jpg`
`08:09.46`	`Wobin`	`Ashenar, pastey your code`
`08:09.55`	`Wobin`	`otherwise it's a bit too esoteric to figure out`
`08:09.56`	`Ashenar`	`where to?`
`08:10.03`	`Ashenar`	`here?`
`08:10.05`	`Cairenn`	`wowuidev.pastey.net`
`08:10.05`	`Wobin`	`look in the topic`
`08:10.23`	`Wobin`	`Shirik, MY BRAIN =(`
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`08:11.07`	`Shirik`	`Wobin :P`
`08:11.24`	`Ashenar`	`secure url for it?`
`08:12.37`	`Wobin`	`depends on how paranoid you feel`
`08:12.56`	`Ashenar`	`http://wowuidev.pastey.net/135685-2mjb`
`08:13.54`	`Ashenar`	`lol no clue what it means, but oh well, checked it anyways`
`08:14.29`	`Ashenar`	`anyways, got that code from http://www.wowwiki.com/Using_OnUpdate_correctly`
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`08:15.55`	`Wobin`	`are you calling it correctly?`
`08:16.27`	`Ashenar`	`lol not me, who ever posted on wiki calls it correctly`
`08:17.01`	`Ashenar`	`i was sent there to use that code for what i am trying to do, so i used that code, just renamed a little`
`08:17.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`this is for RoM right? not WoW?`
`08:17.46`	`Wobin`	`?`
`08:18.05`	`Ashenar`	`yes rom`
`08:18.44`	`Ashenar`	`I also looked up other mods frames (xml) so made sure i had the correct code for that`
`08:18.48`	`Ashenar`	`also have the toc file`
`08:18.59`	`Ashenar`	`so now just depends on the coding in lua`
`08:19.01`	`Wobin`	`what's RoM?`
`08:19.08`	`Ashenar`	`Runes of Magic`
`08:19.20`	`Arrowmaster`	`well you could be doing something wrong so that the arguments arent being passed correctly, or it could be something with RoM thats different from WoW`
`08:20.47`	`Arrowmaster`	`do you have "Nih_OnUpdate()" in an xml file? exactly like that?`
`08:20.52`	`Ashenar`	`not sure, similar code is here on RoM forum, but that one just confuses me, and the best way i can understand code is to do it myself or learn it.. the hard way... http://forum.us.runesofmagic.com/showthread.php?t=35129`
`08:21.39`	`Ashenar`	`<OnUpdate function="Nih_OnUpdate" /> thats whats in xml`
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`08:22.07`	`Ashenar`	`also same code from http://www.wowwiki.com/Using_OnUpdate_correctly`
`08:22.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`guessing RoM doesnt pass arguments to its functions`
`08:22.44`	`Ashenar`	`the only difference is , is the <Ui xmlns="http://www.runewaker.com/" .... >`
`08:23.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`the person that posted that on the RoM forums was in here in the past trying to get stuff working in RoM`
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`08:25.41`	`Ashenar`	`well, the post is old, so not sure if it worked or not however people are still refering to it in other forums`
`08:26.34`	`Wobin`	`perhaps your OnUpdate calls don't pass in variables`
`08:26.38`	`Ashenar`	`Even asked if there is a way to create alternative , and was told OnUpdate() methode would be best, i see OnUpdate functions in other mods that I currently use`
`08:27.26`	`Wobin`	`unfortunately, we have no idea how RoM is different from WoW`
`08:27.36`	`Wobin`	`so we can't offer too much in the way of precise advice`
`08:27.53`	`Ashenar`	`don't i have to assign it? for example var1 = OnUpdate() etc?`
`08:28.15`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`08:28.16`	`Wobin`	`not in the function definition`
`08:28.23`	`Ashenar`	`okay`
`08:28.38`	`Ashenar`	`what about outside of function like in global?`
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`08:30.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`that could if used in WoW would not be giving the error you mentioned`
`08:30.50`	`Ashenar`	`hmm.. alright, i'll try to dig through a bit`
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`08:38.16`	`batrick`	`this is really cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=2iLIhLv8LuY`
`08:39.07`	`Cairenn`	`nice`
`08:42.50`	`Cairenn`	`I always love seeing (hearing) metalheads playing classical`
`08:43.22`	`Arrowmaster`	`that is truely epic`
`08:52.31`	`zenzelezz`	`http://roflrazzi.com/2010/04/24/celebrity-pictures-shatner-nimoy-facepalm/`
`08:57.07`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`08:58.36`	`Fisker`	`slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout`
`08:58.43`	`Fisker`	`slapd`
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`09:37.53`	`mikma`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_eDaMeJtrg`
`09:38.38`	`batrick`	`god that would hurt`
`09:47.18`	`Zyn`	`I've stepped on a nail before, I know`
`10:04.30`	`mikma`	`cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqgvRlHFK-k`
`10:05.21`	`Cairenn`	`is a lamb!`
`10:06.26`	`mikma`	`boing boing boing`
`10:06.33`	`Cairenn`	`indeed`
`10:07.11`	`Fisker`	`A BOMB`
`10:08.02`	`Fisker`	`oh a lamb`
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`10:25.24`	`krka`	`anyone in the mood for giving me feedback on the autocomplete in this interpreter? git clone git://github.com/krka/kahlua2.git && cd kahlua2 && ant run-interpreter`
`10:27.56`	`zenzelezz`	`needs more cowbell`
`10:28.19`	`krka`	`you can't possibly have tested it already`
`10:28.37`	`zenzelezz`	`of course not`
`10:31.58`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.35648`
`10:39.14`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm playing WC3:FT on Windows 7, and occasionally the tooltips/mouseover indicators (healthbars on units) will just not show o_O Then suddenly they show again`
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`10:40.03`	`batrick`	`I just wasted a miserable amount of time because I forgot that C closures don't use the void * field in the TValue struct.`
`10:40.12`	`batrick`	`Thought I'd share that with everyone :(`
`10:40.25`	`batrick`	`this exploit was gonna be so cool too QQ`
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`10:48.20`	`industrial`	`WTS mecha anime that really aren't mecha but just 'a day in the life of randomkid that happens to be controlling giant robots! (military school?)'`
`10:48.54`	`industrial`	`add one male character`
`10:49.26`	`industrial`	`add five female characters of which one is a nerd, one is 5 years old, one has reallyreally big tits, one is a retard and the last one is reallyreally normal.`
`10:49.29`	`industrial`	`stir.`
`10:49.42`	`industrial`	`done!`
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`10:51.01`	`industrial`	`I would like to see one anime where in like episode three the main characters hump eachother instead of waiting for a kiss at the end of episode 51`
`10:51.07`	`industrial`	`>_>`
`10:52.13`	`zenzelezz`	`why don't you just get some hentai?`
`10:54.28`	`industrial`	`No i dont have to see the humping. I'm talking about character development.`
`10:54.44`	`zenzelezz`	`aha`
`10:55.07`	`industrial`	`oh now I remember, Gantz was actually exactly what I described here :p`
`10:55.17`	`industrial`	`so there is an anime like that ^^`
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`11:00.11`	`Adys`	`Shadowed: ping`
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`11:05.50`	`industrial`	`zenzelezz: anyway, in short - gunam is superior!`
`11:05.55`	`industrial`	`gundam, even`
`11:09.30`	`Adys`	`coding style question`
`11:09.35`	`Adys`	`to nil two or more values`
`11:09.46`	`Adys`	`whats better, foo, bar = nil or foo, bar = nil, nil`
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`11:12.40`	`Adys`	`Cide, why aren't you answering my question`
`11:13.07`	`Cide`	`your question is stupid`
`11:13.15`	`Adys`	`that makes sense`
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`11:16.40`	`nevcairiel`	`if you do that, i would match up the number of variables`
`11:18.34`	`Wobin`	`at least for readability sake`
`11:20.23`	`Adys`	`nevcairiel: thats the thing, if i do x, y, z = nil it assumes nil for all the other variables`
`11:20.36`	`nevcairiel`	`i know how it works`
`11:20.44`	`nevcairiel`	`but you still should list the nils`
`11:20.47`	`Adys`	`yeah well i dont understand your answer then`
`11:20.50`	`Adys`	`right`
`11:21.00`	`Adys`	`kay`
`11:21.54`	`Wobin`	`cause doing local x,y,z`
`11:21.58`	`Wobin`	`-also- assigns nil`
`11:22.14`	`Adys`	`those variables are part of another table`
`11:22.20`	`Adys`	`so its actually foo.bar, foo.baz = nil, nil`
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`11:22.59`	`Wobin`	`yeah, go for the full assignation`
`11:23.07`	`Wobin`	`then it's obvious it's deliberate`
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`11:57.10`	`Thrae`	`My addon is perfectly coded except for the fact it doesn't work.`
`11:57.41`	`Thrae`	`One second.`
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`12:11.29`	`foxlit`	`That's a very long second, Thrae`
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`12:19.08`	`Thrae`	`foxlit: It was as fast as the servers would allow.`
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`12:45.20`	`Thrae`	`Anyone have experience putting together a well-behaved, fun 25-man for ICC/ToGC?`
`12:46.50`	`haste`	`1. take pepole who aren't overly serious 2. ??? 3. profit!`
`12:47.02`	`Cide`	`where are you tem`
`12:48.27`	`Thrae`	`haste: Yeah, the clue is trying to find people who aren't into "serious biz" while also being responsible.`
`12:49.50`	`nevcairiel`	`we had a raid like that in classic and BC, but it eventually lost its fun`
`12:49.51`	`haste`	`yeah, that's the ??? part :P`
`12:49.57`	`A-KO`	`Thrae: it doesn't exist`
`12:50.25`	`haste`	`you could add a rule like we have in our guild!`
`12:50.33`	`haste`	`all your mistakes will forevre be remembered and used against you`
`12:50.51`	`Thrae`	`A-KO: I have a 10-man group, not of the same guild, that abides by those principles.`
`12:51.03`	`A-KO`	`Thrae: I'm sure that took quite some time to build`
`12:51.07`	`A-KO`	`And how far does it get?`
`12:51.09`	`A-KO`	`HMs?`
`12:52.32`	`A-KO`	`here's the thing, one thing I've found--generally, you need people that are serious in order to do some of the harder raids. And in essence, they also become a lot more agitated because of being on edge for the raid`
`12:52.41`	`A-KO`	`they are quicker to get disappointed when someone drops the ball`
`12:52.47`	`A-KO`	`because everyone is on edge`
`12:52.49`	`Thrae`	`A-KO: Made in Feb., we recently got through Dreamwalker (almost one-shotted her). We needed to do earlier fights many times to learn them and gear up.`
`12:52.53`	`A-KO`	`They are otherwise fun people`
`12:53.05`	`A-KO`	`but you need the people that get on edge for the harder raiding, they stay focused`
`12:53.37`	`Thrae`	`Well, I think Voice communication is key, we need everyone to get Voice communication and start talking and chatting (outside fights). I find that really helps people de-stress.`
`12:53.41`	`A-KO`	`You also need a raid leader that's not scared to point out someone's flaws.`
`12:53.53`	`Thrae`	`I may borrow my guild's Vent or just use Mumble`
`12:53.55`	`A-KO`	`And really give criticism to people.`
`12:54.49`	`Thrae`	`A-KO: See, there's a right way and a wrong way to do that. Over the years of being GMs and doing crap like phone support, I think I've got good experience with the right way to do it.`
`12:55.33`	`A-KO`	`Yes, but you also have to consider that there are some things you can't change about people. Whether it be their reaction time or a style of which they play that isn't very good.`
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`12:56.41`	`Thrae`	`Of course, which is why I think one of the highest priorities need to be getting people who can understand that a 25-man group at first setup will have a low to nil chance of succeeding in everything.`
`12:57.23`	`A-KO`	`yeah, but the tough part in that is that they expect everything. They may have run with pugs or groups that did XYZ boss "in one shot" or something, and your group might have a little difficulty in group synergy, etc.`
`12:58.18`	`Thrae`	`My gimmick this time is trying to identify people, not only over the Internet but through a game, that have that capacity, and that's why I call this an 'experiment' since I don't know if I can do that or not.`
`12:59.15`	`Thrae`	`I already have some great psychological tricks that haven't failed me so far, but I know they're going to backfire on me at this level.`
`12:59.45`	`A-KO`	`lol`
`12:59.54`	`A-KO`	`At this point I give up hope on quite a few people`
`13:01.18`	`Thrae`	`Hopefully we'll mostly fill it with my 10-man group and friends of the 10-man and those in queue. If I can get around 15 good, decent people (decent people AND decent players) that I have pre-hand knowledge of their decency, then I think by majority the rest will fall into place and be far easier to handle.`
`13:02.10`	`Thrae`	`People tend to follow the mood of the crowd.`
`13:02.38`	`olafski`	`I've given up hope on raiding completely ;-) if you play solo there's nobody who can annoy you`
`13:03.21`	`Thrae`	`olafski: Heh, I'd say that's the time you re-think your WoW subscription unless you're addicted to coding addons ;)`
`13:03.45`	`olafski`	`I enjoy wow quite a bit`
`13:03.55`	`olafski`	`and not exactly addicted to making addons :P`
`13:04.16`	`olafski`	`apparently not many people see that this game has more to offer than raiding and arena :P`
`13:04.19`	`Thrae`	`When I was fed up with everyone and everything, including coding, I cancelled my subscription. But I'm also very concerned with being fiscally responsible. There are plenty of other games I pay $13 for once and that I can enjoy for months.`
`13:05.04`	`Thrae`	`olafski: Well when you say SOLO, that's different. WoW is a MMORPG and its based around social activity as all MMOs are, especially MMORPGs.`
`13:06.01`	`Thrae`	`World of Warcraft may be fun to play solo, avoiding social contact, but seriously I don't think it's worth $13-$15 a MONTH for the priviledge.`
`13:06.14`	`olafski`	`you're entitled to that opinion :)`
`13:06.16`	`Thrae`	`Everyone has their own views though.`
`13:06.34`	`Thrae`	`I may think you're crazy, or maybe crazy rich, but that's just me.`
`13:06.54`	`olafski`	`I'm certainly not the latter`
`13:07.07`	`olafski`	`but given that I play this game for about 2.5 hours a day on average, I'd say 11 euro isn't a lot`
`13:07.17`	`Thrae`	`Anyway, this whole discussion on 25-mans and raiding was not about progression (gear, drops, etc.), but about the SOCIAL interaction. I want to try and make a "fun" raiding group and that's going to be especially difficult.`
`13:07.52`	`A-KO`	`depends on your idea of fun :P`
`13:08.01`	`Thrae`	`A-KO: Hence it's in quotes`
`13:09.08`	`Thrae`	`My idea of fun is simple -- the more people that walk away happier than they are stressed out by the experience, the more fun it is. Of course I'm a selfish bastard so that has to include me as one of the top priorities.`
`13:09.26`	`olafski`	`I used to raid semi hardcore, but nowadays I don't really want to anymore.. and "social" raiding seems kind of sucky because of what a-ko said earlier`
`13:09.45`	`olafski`	`my gf's guild keeps asking me if I won't apply, but I don't think I'd survive a single raid without tearing my hair out`
`13:09.57`	`Thrae`	`olafski: Well I'm enjoying 10-mans, so I see good reason to try 25-mans`
`13:10.59`	`olafski`	`I enjoyed 10mans with my (now-1-man) guild too.. but no matter how nice people they are eventually it becomes boring to clear ulduar up to yogg but never make any progress on yogg :P`
`13:11.09`	`A-KO`	`it's really a mentality thing`
`13:11.10`	`A-KO`	`honestly`
`13:11.22`	`A-KO`	`people who aren't serious aren't taking it seriously`
`13:11.48`	`olafski`	`and social raiding like my gf's guild does (dunno if they call it that) seems absolute horror`
`13:11.51`	`Thrae`	`You can take both raiding and fun seriously at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive as some ex-Marines may think.`
`13:11.52`	`olafski`	`on the one hand they joke around a lot`
`13:12.01`	`olafski`	`but then the raid leader curses and yells at people for not doing their job`
`13:12.18`	`Thrae`	`olafski: See, I wouldn't call that a "good social raiding group"`
`13:12.20`	`olafski`	`even though it's mostly the officers doing all the dicking about on ventrilo`
`13:12.26`	`olafski`	`indeed thrae :P`
`13:13.35`	`Thrae`	`Now to fix my UI's code, play COD:MW2, or watch L&O:SVU...`
`13:13.44`	`olafski`	`:D`
`13:13.45`	`olafski`	`does dailies`
`13:13.53`	`Thrae`	`God I hate dailies`
`13:14.05`	`olafski`	`I do have some social interaction in wow btw.. I use the dungeon finder and chat with friends ;)`
`13:14.17`	`Thrae`	`I actually feel GOOD when I miss my chance at doing my dailies; they feel so restricting.`
`13:14.21`	`olafski`	`:D`
`13:14.23`	`olafski`	`yep`
`13:14.27`	`olafski`	`but I want that undead mount`
`13:14.33`	`olafski`	`so I'm doing the tournament dailies for rep`
`13:15.01`	`Thrae`	`The $20 mount makes my mount wishes go out the window. I'd rather just save up spare cash for that.`
`13:15.25`	`Thrae`	`And also I only play Druids...`
`13:15.52`	`olafski`	`there's not a lot to do if you don't raid.. I can do dailies / achievements or level more chars :)`
`13:16.05`	`Thrae`	`olafski: You can RP!`
`13:16.14`	`Thrae`	`Not To Be Confused With Cybering`
`13:16.41`	`olafski`	`bah roleplaying`
`13:17.04`	`olafski`	`I despise it :P even feel bad for playing a game that people call an RPG, even though I don't view it as such`
`13:17.16`	`Wobin`	`it's just a PG`
`13:17.22`	`olafski`	`aye`
`13:19.11`	`Wobin`	`my god`
`13:19.16`	`Wobin`	`AoC has an -expansion-?`
`13:22.52`	`Wobin`	`...`
`13:23.04`	`Wobin`	`could they have gotten a -cheesier- voice for the voiceover?`
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`13:23.12`	`olafski`	`no clue!`
`13:23.19`	`Wobin`	`"AHAHHHH! I AM GENERIC ASIAN ACCENTED MAN!!"`
`13:23.45`	`foxlit`	`I wonder if they broke Void Rays`
`13:24.09`	`Wobin`	`don't kill them so fast?`
`13:24.12`	`foxlit`	`"damage output increases the longer it remains on a single target" doesn't seem to describe it accurately`
`13:25.36`	`foxlit`	`Instead, they seem to slip into high-damage mode after some amount of time attacking anything, and stay there until they run out of things to attack`
`13:26.53`	`olafski`	`If all arms are engaged when a target is destroyed and a new target is selected within a short time, the void ray will engage the new target with all arms and full power from the onset.[4]`
`13:27.31`	`olafski`	`hm that doesn't state if it was intentional or not though`
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`13:40.57`	`Kraps`	`lfd2 is now $20 on steam`
`13:55.43`	`olafski`	`there's a second version of the LFD tool?`
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`14:02.10`	`Wobin`	`olafski, yeah, this one has more zombies`
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`14:08.21`	`olafski`	`whoa`
`14:08.29`	`olafski`	`shame it costs money though.. the current LFD tool doesn't`
`14:09.10`	`Kraps`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:09.38`	`olafski`	`(isn't left 4 dead usually abbreviated l4d?)`
`14:10.06`	`foxlit`	`l4d2!`
`14:10.08`	`Kraps`	`yeah you're right`
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`14:14.11`	`Kraps`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEyU7L4bksw&feature=popt00us00`
`14:23.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`watches a massive smirk appear on all gender studies majors everywhere`
`14:23.38`	`industrial`	`sighs`
`14:23.48`	`industrial`	`I don't like tag based approaches to sorting content.`
`14:24.28`	`industrial`	`Especially when the content items are tagges/categorized in multiple categories/tags, even though it does apply to the items/content (wowace and the firefox addons site for example).`
`14:25.58`	`industrial`	`It makes looking through all content counter-productive since you see everything fly by in different categories. That doesn't make it easier to navigate/search. In the end I just want to make the data set SMALLER. This makes it BIGGER.`
`14:26.59`	`industrial`	`Tagging works fine in environments where the content is infinite (think del.icio.us, flickr, etc) but not where its finite :(`
`14:32.06`	`industrial`	`http://www.ted.com/talks/tags`
`14:33.05`	`industrial`	`now I have to go through which categories I'm interested in and then manually keep track of every video I've seen. In practise that means I'll be going 'Damn, seen this one before' every time. fail :(`
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`14:40.27`	`sioraiocht`	`haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEzIu6Cv_Ek`
`14:40.38`	`sioraiocht`	`Thought you might appreciate some Danish language hate =p`
`14:44.59`	`Kalroth`	`!`
`14:45.31`	`haste`	`:D`
`14:46.06`	`Fisker`	`haste`
`14:46.09`	`Fisker`	`what chance do you have?`
`14:46.17`	`Fisker`	`I'm stronger and more powerful than you`
`14:48.18`	`haste`	`oh rly?`
`14:48.20`	`zenzelezz`	`"Firefox can't find the server at this%20is%20externalhacker."`
`14:51.27`	`Gintaro`	`industrial, turn porn browsing mode off so the links you visited get colored differently`
`14:52.03`	`sioraiocht`	`Fisker: I <3 the Danish language, btw`
`14:52.10`	`sioraiocht`	`It's just also fun to make fun of, sometimes ;)`
`14:52.18`	`sioraiocht`	`Just like Norwegian is`
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`14:52.44`	`sioraiocht`	`Although Danish does seem to be the punching bag of the Scandinavian languages.`
`14:52.46`	`mikma`	`http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/asses.jpg`
`14:53.53`	`haste`	`but Norwegian is awesome!`
`14:54.13`	`sioraiocht`	`haste: Yes, but which Norwegian? =p`
`14:55.16`	`sioraiocht`	`haste: A Swede once told me Norwegian is beautiful to his ear, but that you all sound deliriously happy`
`14:56.04`	`haste`	`I speak pretty "bokmÃ¥l"ish norwegian, but swedes seem to have the hardest time with that :P`
`14:56.43`	`mikma`	`old but fun, http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/teamkiller520x416.jpg`
`14:57.06`	`sioraiocht`	`haste: didn't know that about swedes. Am starting to learn Swedish, will hit you up when I try to understand norwegian =p`
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`14:57.52`	`haste`	`might be easier for you since you already know icelandic :P`
`14:58.31`	`sioraiocht`	`haste: Yeah, I can sorta read anything Scandinavian and get the gist`
`14:59.34`	`haste`	`I actually bumped into someone who had lived in norway for 7 years while in germany, and he said the same thing regarding my dialect`
`14:59.48`	`sioraiocht`	`You sound really happy?`
`14:59.59`	`haste`	`he had lived in northern norway tho'`
`15:00.02`	`sioraiocht`	`ah`
`15:00.02`	`haste`	`I find it odd, just that`
`15:00.04`	`sioraiocht`	`heh`
`15:06.27`	`industrial`	`Gintaro: wut? You know that's subject entirely of how the designer of the website wants it to look right?`
`15:06.34`	`industrial`	`s/of/to/`
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`15:11.49`	`Kraps`	`http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/04/08nerf21.jpg`
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`15:22.00`	`Gintaro`	`industrial, but you can override it`
`15:22.39`	`olafski`	`that doesn't make the design any better`
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`15:31.41`	`Kraps`	`http://wowlore.yolasite.com/text`
`15:43.22`	`A-KO`	`fucking fail priest`
`15:44.41`	`A-KO`	`damn priest fails a tribute to insanity run because he doesn't know how to run a burrowed Anub`
`15:45.38`	`foxlit`	`Running is hard, mmkay?`
`15:46.16`	`A-KO`	`apparently`
`15:46.59`	`Kraps`	`A-KO: umadbro?`
`15:47.04`	`A-KO`	`kind of`
`15:47.12`	`A-KO`	`I rushed eating, put off eating, etc.`
`15:47.15`	`A-KO`	`to get the achievement`
`15:54.26`	`Kraps`	`wonders if he should start an ICC 10 group on his tank`
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`15:54.59`	`Kraps`	`that would make me the defacto leader`
`15:55.11`	`Kraps`	`which would SUCK`
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`16:32.11`	`olafski`	`:P`
`16:41.40`	`Kraps`	`+ operator? hmm`
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`16:44.47`	`Cide`	`Shirik: halp`
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`16:49.16`	`DWSR`	`GOOD MORNING VIETNAM!`
`16:49.39`	`Iriel`	`I think the thunderbird project needs to find some developers with more threading experience`
`16:50.30`	`DWSR`	`A-KO: rofl`
`16:50.39`	`DWSR`	`Iriel: Mhm. :)`
`16:50.43`	`zenzelezz`	`Iriel: why just Thunderbird? IIRC Firefox also isn't very threaded`
`16:50.55`	`Iriel`	`I can't deadlock Firefox several times a day`
`16:50.58`	`Iriel`	`I can thunderbird`
`16:51.20`	`zenzelezz`	`hm`
`16:51.29`	`DWSR`	`I can deadlock Tbird pretty easily, akshully.`
`16:51.35`	`zenzelezz`	`Thunderbird only deadlocks for me when I try to quit it on Mac`
`16:52.36`	`DWSR`	`Do I really need to start with how much fail is in that sentence?`
`16:53.05`	`zenzelezz`	`blame Apple; I need to use a Mac to code for the iPhone`
`16:53.11`	`Iriel`	`Nothing wrong with the Mac`
`16:53.15`	`Iriel`	`It's a lovely desktop platform`
`16:53.19`	`DWSR`	`Oh I blame Apple. For a great many things.`
`16:53.38`	`Iriel`	`Anyway, I'm going to try turning off indexing, see if that helps, the mass instability started around the time they added the global search feature`
`16:53.44`	`DWSR`	`zenzelezz: That's also blatantly false. You may need MacOS in order to code for the iPhone, but you certainly don't need a Mac.`
`16:54.31`	`zenzelezz`	`DWSR: most threads discussing "not Mac" development seem to say that running MacOS X on non-Apple hardware is against their EULA or whichever document`
`16:54.43`	`zenzelezz`	`and also say that running MacOS X in a VM is slower than sin`
`16:55.00`	`Iriel`	`Why the hate for mac hardware?`
`16:55.07`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't hate`
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`16:55.15`	`Iriel`	`Not you, DWSR`
`16:55.22`	`DWSR`	`Iriel: Because Apple, among other things, supports DRM.`
`16:55.36`	`DWSR`	`Also, the hardware isn't /that/ great.`
`16:55.47`	`Iriel`	`Last I checked so does almost every other HW manufacturer for whom that's relevant`
`16:55.54`	`DWSR`	`Nope.`
`16:56.29`	`Kalroth`	`I don't dislike Macs hardware, it's the users I got a beef with!`
`16:56.36`	`DWSR`	`That's the other thing.`
`16:57.33`	`DWSR`	`Iriel: An iPod touch, for example, is almost $200 more expensive than a Samsung P3 of the same capacity, where the P3 actually does /more/.`
`16:57.40`	`cbreak`	`even Linux supports DRM`
`16:57.47`	`cbreak`	`they just don't use it`
`16:57.50`	`zenzelezz`	`DWSR: what's the P3?`
`16:57.55`	`DWSR`	`PAP.`
`16:58.14`	`Iriel`	`I wasn't really asking about the media players, I was asking about the computers`
`16:58.14`	`DWSR`	`though, I should say PMP`
`16:58.32`	`Iriel`	`I.e. "macs"`
`16:58.34`	`Iriel`	`Not "podx"`
`16:58.40`	`Iriel`	`Sorry, p[ao]ds`
`16:59.30`	`DWSR`	`Iriel: The other thing, doesn't support enough games. Yes it runs WoW, but that's only because Blizzard provides an OpenGL interface. Few other games do.`
`16:59.45`	`Kalroth`	`The computers are fine, except a little overpriced. But I guess that's the status symbol you pay for.`
`16:59.47`	`DWSR`	`I realize that that's partly Microsoft's fault for not opening DX.`
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`16:59.54`	`cbreak`	`DWSR: that's more the opposite`
`17:00.00`	`cbreak`	`it's not that OS X lacks game support`
`17:00.04`	`cbreak`	`it's that games lack OS X support`
`17:00.10`	`cbreak`	`but with Steam, that might change a bit`
`17:00.11`	`Kraps`	`wtb ability to permanently kill toons`
`17:00.25`	`Kalroth`	`wtb ability to permanently kill people that say "toons"`
`17:00.28`	`DWSR`	`cbreak: Hardly. You can't get the same performance/featureset with OpenGL that you can with DX.`
`17:00.41`	`cbreak`	`how so?`
`17:00.48`	`cbreak`	`OpenGL is rather customizable`
`17:00.54`	`Cide`	`doable maybe`
`17:00.56`	`nevcairiel`	`Of course you can, thats just MS misbelieve`
`17:00.58`	`Cide`	`pain in the ass? maybe`
`17:01.04`	`cbreak`	`with the "recent" GLSL capabilities, you can implement what ever you want`
`17:01.05`	`foxlit`	`"you are now eligible to enter a random battleground" << lies`
`17:01.11`	`Cide`	`I have no experience working with it fyi`
`17:01.18`	`Kalroth`	`OpenGL is slower at adopting new hardware features`
`17:01.28`	`cbreak`	`OpenGL doesn't need to adopt any features`
`17:01.31`	`Kraps`	`Kalroth: dont mess with me right now`
`17:01.35`	`Kalroth`	`cbreak: For games it does`
`17:01.36`	`cbreak`	`driver manufacturers write extensions`
`17:01.44`	`Kalroth`	`Kraps: Or what!`
`17:01.47`	`cbreak`	`those can be used right away`
`17:02.00`	`olafski`	`< Kalroth> I don't dislike Macs hardware, it's the users I got a beef with! <-- +1 :P`
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`17:02.05`	`cbreak`	`later, if several manufacturers agree, it can become a general extension, or even an ARB extension`
`17:02.08`	`Kalroth`	`cbreak: Yes, you got ATi extensions, nVidia extensions, <other hardware> extensions`
`17:02.15`	`nevcairiel`	`See the engines John Carmack made, always cutting edge in its era, and mostly opengl, actually he once said that he doesnt care much about the actual stack they use, since its abstracted down to simple vertex operations`
`17:02.32`	`Kalroth`	`thats Carmack :p`
`17:02.42`	`cbreak`	`OpenGL allows you freedom`
`17:02.57`	`nevcairiel`	`Saying that DX offers stuff OpenGL cannot do is just wrong`
`17:02.57`	`cbreak`	`well, it allows the card manufacturers freedom`
`17:03.05`	`Kalroth`	`nevcairiel: wut?`
`17:03.21`	`cbreak`	`OpenGL can do anything the driver writers want`
`17:03.52`	`Kalroth`	`Yes, but developers dont want to write multiple code for each set of extensions`
`17:04.03`	`cbreak`	`they don't have to`
`17:04.18`	`nevcairiel`	`ati and nvidia produce the same interfaces to similar extensions, even if they are named slightly differently`
`17:04.19`	`Kalroth`	`they do if they want to use the latest hardware features`
`17:04.25`	`cbreak`	`they only write code to support those features they want`
`17:04.28`	`Kalroth`	`similar != same`
`17:04.31`	`cbreak`	`just like Direct X`
`17:04.37`	`nevcairiel`	`Kalroth: ever heard of abstraction? =P`
`17:04.46`	`cbreak`	`if you want to support DX11 and DX10, you have to write for both`
`17:04.51`	`nevcairiel`	`if an interface is similar enough, its trivial to use both`
`17:04.51`	`cbreak`	`and then for DX9 as well`
`17:04.54`	`Kalroth`	`you can only abstract so much :p`
`17:05.22`	`nevcairiel`	`OpenGL has the big advantage that it basically is full backwards compatible`
`17:05.27`	`nevcairiel`	`even if some stuff is then done in software`
`17:05.31`	`nevcairiel`	`DX cant do that`
`17:05.54`	`nevcairiel`	`If your card doesnt do DX10 .. the DX10 game wont work`
`17:06.02`	`nevcairiel`	`even if it only uses like 1 new feature`
`17:06.10`	`Kalroth`	`you can abstract your way out of that though!`
`17:06.24`	`cbreak`	`sure. just like with OpenGL :)`
`17:07.25`	`nevcairiel`	`The decision which engine to use is not dictated by features these days`
`17:07.28`	`nevcairiel`	`Its mostly marketing`
`17:07.37`	`Kraps`	`whats the tank glyph that keeps divine plea up?`
`17:07.47`	`cbreak`	`unless you want to limit yourself to windows only, you can't use DX`
`17:07.48`	`Kalroth`	`What games use OpenGL these days?`
`17:07.50`	`olafski`	`isn't that a talent, kraps?`
`17:07.57`	`Kalroth`	`cbreak: Windows and Xbox 360`
`17:08.01`	`nevcairiel`	`cbreak: sadly alot of games seem to be fine with that`
`17:08.05`	`cbreak`	`Kalroth: every 3d game that runs on anything not windows`
`17:08.16`	`Kalroth`	`cbreak: Yes, which?`
`17:08.17`	`olafski`	`kraps: http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=guarded%20by%20the%20light`
`17:08.21`	`cbreak`	`all the mobile platforms are OpenGL ES`
`17:08.37`	`Kalroth`	`oh my gee`
`17:08.39`	`cbreak`	`so all iPhone/Android/... games that use 3D are in OpenGL`
`17:08.40`	`nevcairiel`	`the other consoles .. do they use their own proprietary stack or is that opengl based?`
`17:08.51`	`cbreak`	`all Mac games, like WoW and so on are OpenGL`
`17:08.55`	`cbreak`	`(steam stuff too)`
`17:08.55`	`Kalroth`	`P3 is proprietary stack`
`17:08.59`	`Kalroth`	`uses*`
`17:09.02`	`Kalroth`	`dunno about Wii`
`17:09.18`	`cbreak`	`I heard Wii uses some kind of OpenGL Es but that was third hand info`
`17:09.40`	`cbreak`	`3D modeling software uses OpenGL`
`17:09.47`	`cbreak`	`(at least those I know :)`
`17:09.55`	`cbreak`	`so Maya, Cinema 4D`
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`17:10.08`	`nevcairiel`	`Most do, and they rely on a card that actually offers full opengl hw acceleration like the quadro`
`17:10.32`	`nevcairiel`	`common gfx cards only implement the parts of opengl that are required for gaming`
`17:10.56`	`Kraps`	`shit tanks`
`17:11.02`	`Kalroth`	`oh, P3 uses a modded version of OGL`
`17:11.02`	`Kalroth`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSGL`
`17:11.11`	`Kraps`	`"heal me im out of mana"`
`17:11.17`	`olafski`	`lol`
`17:11.32`	`olafski`	`does overhealing even work with spiritual attunement?`
`17:11.40`	`Kalroth`	`"Wii's graphics API is similar to Gamecubes, which, in turn, is OpenGL like I believe, but is not OpenGL (it's something completely different)."`
`17:12.16`	`Kraps`	`at least he got outrolled on the NES`
`17:13.06`	`olafski`	`NES? :s`
`17:13.17`	`cbreak`	`nintendo enterntainment system`
`17:13.29`	`olafski`	`yeah that's one way to interpret that`
`17:13.30`	`Kraps`	`http://www.wowhead.com/item=50198`
`17:13.32`	`olafski`	`I assumed he didn't mean that :(`
`17:13.37`	`olafski`	`ah`
`17:13.41`	`olafski`	`not a very tanky item`
`17:14.04`	`olafski`	`guess it can help with threat a bit ;)`
`17:14.32`	`Kraps`	`his offspec is ret`
`17:15.25`	`Kraps`	`cbreak: SNES > NES`
`17:15.40`	`cbreak`	`just because it's called super?`
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`17:15.47`	`Cidwel`	`hi all`
`17:16.04`	`zenzelezz`	`ohai`
`17:16.48`	`Kraps`	`cuz i has it`
`17:16.54`	`Kraps`	`d=had*`
`17:17.10`	`Cidwel`	`I have a miniquestion, Is there a way to make a protected frame to be attached at the same coord as a unprotected frame without having taunt errors?`
`17:18.09`	`Iriel`	`You could attach the unprotected frame to the protected one`
`17:18.49`	`zenzelezz`	`taunt errors...`
`17:18.52`	`Cidwel`	`but then. the code in the unprotected frame will give taint errors`
`17:18.57`	`Cidwel`	`*sorry zenzelezz lol`
`17:19.03`	`Iriel`	`No, it wont`
`17:19.06`	`zenzelezz`	`"[SecureActionButton: MWAHAHAHA, you tainted me, bro!"`
`17:19.12`	`Cidwel`	`derp`
`17:19.15`	`Iriel`	`Not unless you're doing something very wrong`
`17:20.23`	`Cidwel`	`its a securestatedriver frame that have some action buttons that should hide when user isn't holding a key. If I attach in the unprotected frame, then, the protected frame doesn't hide when I stop holding the key`
`17:20.53`	`Iriel`	`Like I said, attach the UNprotected frame TO the protected frame`
`17:22.11`	`Cidwel`	`and then, when I'm in combat the panel doesn't hide or show with the securestate condition`
`17:22.36`	`Cidwel`	`I'll check my code, I'm doing something wrong`
`17:22.36`	`Iriel`	`Can you include your code somewhere`
`17:22.42`	`Iriel`	`Because that's not how it's supposed to work`
`17:22.57`	`Iriel`	`(Also, when you say 'secure state driver' do you mean the old one, or the new secure handler stuff (added in 3.0)`
`17:23.25`	`Cidwel`	`give me a sec >_> it's a huge code, I'll check first`
`17:25.46`	`Fisker`	`btw`
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`17:40.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`Fisker`
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`17:43.01`	`Cidwel`	`I think it works iriel, I have a protected="true" where not needed`
`17:43.20`	`Cidwel`	`also I've put the frames like you told me and it seems to work`
`17:43.29`	`Cidwel`	`many thanks :)`
`17:43.30`	`DWSR`	`Fisker`
`17:43.34`	`Iriel`	`yay`
`17:44.18`	`Fisker`	`DWSR Thunder_Child`
`17:46.21`	`DWSR`	`Fisker Thunder_Child`
`17:50.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`DWSR Fisker Iriel`
`17:52.34`	`Fisker`	`Iriel nevcairiel DWSR Thunder_Child`
`17:56.41`	`DWSR`	`Fisker Iriel nevcairiel Thunder_Child`
`17:57.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`DWSR Fisker Iriel nevcairiel Shirik`
`17:57.13`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I didn't know y'all were verbs and adverbs.`
`17:57.18`	`Fisker`	`WTF`
`17:57.24`	`Kraps`	`a wild Lopeppeppy appears!`
`17:57.25`	`DWSR`	`Thunder_Child Fisker Iriel nevcairiel Shirik Lopeppeppy`
`17:57.32`	`Fisker`	`we just had half the raid vile gassed during festergut without engaging him`
`17:57.33`	`Shirik`	`I'm about to block you all`
`17:57.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`DWSR Fisker Iriel nevcairiel Shirik Lopeppeppy Kraps`
`17:57.48`	`Alram`	`jumps on Fisker`
`17:57.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`we love you to Shirik`
`17:57.58`	`DWSR`	`Thunder_Child Fisker Iriel nevcairiel Shirik Lopeppeppy Kraps Shadowed`
`17:58.42`	`Fisker`	`DWSR Iriel nevcairiel Shirik Lopeppeppy Kraps Thunder_Child`
`17:58.42`	`Fisker`	`also Alram`
`17:58.42`	`Shirik`	`seriously, enough; at least leave me out of it, I'm in the middle of something`
`17:58.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes, in the middle of this`
`17:58.42`	`DWSR`	`^`
`17:58.42`	`Fisker`	`vile gas my raid Shirik ?`
`17:58.43`	`Shadowed`	`Cairenn\|afk isn't here too`
`17:58.43`	`Shadowed`	`I can get away with banning you guys!`
`17:58.43`	`Shirik`	`next person to ping me is getting a 30 minute ban`
`17:58.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`i am so tempted`
`17:58.56`	`Fisker`	`\| Â Â Â .`
`17:58.57`	`DWSR`	`Thunder_Child: Me too`
`17:58.58`	`Shadowed`	`He'll do it`
`17:59.08`	`Shadowed`	`Actually I would too, but I'm mean`
`17:59.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`Shadowed: who is 'he'?`
`17:59.18`	`*** join/#wowuidev p3lim (~Miranda@85.108.34.95.customer.cdi.no)`
`17:59.26`	`kd3`	`wait, wha?`
`17:59.26`	`Kraps`	`your VH wipe is successful! do you kill yourself? y/n`
`17:59.27`	`Shadowed`	`clever`
`17:59.30`	`Shadowed`	`I'll give you that Thunder_Child`
`17:59.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`well, i tried`
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`18:01.36`	`dldador`	`Hello!`
`18:01.41`	`dldador`	`How to me to output 1 pixel of certain colour? It is necessary to output in a certain place.`
`18:01.59`	`Shadowed`	`... ?`
`18:02.14`	`Alram`	`I think he wants to put out a pixel with a color`
`18:02.17`	`Kalroth`	`Fisker: on your keyboard type agueuj, except you have to press the keys right next to them (to the right side)`
`18:02.29`	`Alram`	`hi Kalroth`
`18:02.37`	`Kalroth`	`hay u`
`18:03.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`i mean, all someone has to do is go to the freenode web portal and ping 'he who shall not be named'`
`18:03.43`	`kd3`	`voldemort?`
`18:03.52`	`Kalroth`	`close!`
`18:04.47`	`dldador`	`How in addon for wow to display the area which has been painted over by one colour?`
`18:04.57`	`Alram`	`Kalroth, is it bibi?`
`18:05.07`	`Kalroth`	`Alram: Not even close!`
`18:05.13`	`Alram`	`:(`
`18:05.50`	`Fisker`	`Shirik if i ping you, will you remember to remove the ban in 30 mins?`
`18:05.55`	`Fisker`	`runs hella fast`
`18:06.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`~Fisker++`
`18:06.21`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+q !@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk] by Shirik`
`18:06.39`	`Iriel`	`dldador: You dont so much paint a pixel as place a Texture of the color you want in the place you want it`
`18:06.54`	`Shadowed`	`Fisker no`
`18:07.02`	`Shadowed`	`Depends how long it takes someone to have mercy on you!`
`18:07.05`	`Kalroth`	`Man, we're totally like a pack of hyenas circling around a huge bear`
`18:07.12`	`Kalroth`	`One of us was even dumb enough to poke the bear`
`18:07.14`	`Iriel`	`dldador: That gives you rectangular regions, if you need something non-rectangular it gets more tricky`
`18:07.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's his fault, he could have left this channel`
`18:07.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`or muted teh sound or some such`
`18:07.38`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: is it me?!`
`18:07.43`	`Shadowed`	`Thunder_Child try pinging him`
`18:07.43`	`Kalroth`	`Adys: NO`
`18:07.45`	`Shadowed`	`maybe you can argue that`
`18:07.49`	`kd3`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetTexture`
`18:07.52`	`Adys`	`o`
`18:08.04`	`Adys`	`!api texture.settexture`
`18:08.04`	`Kalroth`	`Adys: its 6 letters`
`18:08.04`	`lua_bot`	`Texture:SetTexture: Sets the texture object's image or color (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexture)`
`18:08.15`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: adysss`
`18:08.25`	`Kalroth`	`Adys: asshol`
`18:08.30`	`Adys`	`\o/`
`18:09.04`	`Kalroth`	`http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20003120-248.html haha Skid Row are such fuckers`
`18:09.16`	`Kalroth`	`they didn't crack shit`
`18:09.18`	`Alram`	`Alram, alram`
`18:09.23`	`dldador`	`Iriel: I need to show colour simply. Without a difference of what form it will be. It is possible such to make?`
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`18:09.58`	`Adys`	`Kalroth: old`
`18:10.03`	`Kalroth`	`:(`
`18:11.17`	`Shadowed`	`Kalroth: Hrm?`
`18:11.19`	`Shadowed`	`What did they do then`
`18:11.37`	`kd3`	`dldador, see: http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_user_interface`
`18:11.43`	`kd3`	`it'll walk you through creating frames`
`18:11.45`	`Kalroth`	`Shadowed: They stole the DRM values from the server emulator and injected a response into the game`
`18:12.06`	`Kalroth`	`Shadowed: Basically redirected the server call through a local function`
`18:12.25`	`dldador`	`kd3: Thanks!`
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`18:12.44`	`Shadowed`	`Sounds like cracking it to me`
`18:12.52`	`Shadowed`	`Unless you were expecting them to rip out all of that code`
`18:12.59`	`Kalroth`	`wut?`
`18:13.06`	`Kalroth`	`I don't think you know what the DRM does :p`
`18:13.41`	`Shadowed`	`It pulls triggers from Ubisofts server so without the server, you can't play the game which is what made it take longer to have people break it`
`18:13.46`	`Shadowed`	`cause you first had to beat the game`
`18:13.56`	`Shadowed`	`Last I heard at least, I didn't pay close attention`
`18:14.07`	`Kalroth`	`No, their "crack" also emulates the server`
`18:14.22`	`Kalroth`	`Using the values that the server emulator people extracted`
`18:14.36`	`Shadowed`	`That's not very unique then`
`18:14.48`	`Shadowed`	`they just did a better version of the previous one`
`18:14.53`	`Kalroth`	`yup`
`18:14.58`	`Kalroth`	`and took the credit :)`
`18:15.17`	`Kalroth`	`(not that the credit matters much when it comes to piracy .. :)`
`18:15.30`	`Shadowed`	`Thievery rules all`
`18:15.54`	`Kalroth`	`http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1630600&cid=31974886 explains it best`
`18:16.19`	`Adys`	`everyone posting on mmoc about the That Retarded Horse video from tardbiscuit is getting banned because of That Retarded Post`
`18:16.22`	`nevcairiel`	`Kalroth: they all do it for the credit :p`
`18:16.22`	`Adys`	`how great is that \o/`
`18:16.47`	`Kalroth`	`nevcairiel: Well yeah :)`
`18:17.16`	`olafski`	`I don't get it.. all this honor among thieves shit with those pirates.. they're all thieves`
`18:17.23`	`olafski`	`"I'm the better thief!"`
`18:17.53`	`Kalroth`	`Pride and honor is generally a dumb thing :)`
`18:18.52`	`olafski`	`that too`
`18:19.04`	`olafski`	`damn, now that I've upgraded from 19 to 24" monitor wow is even more unplayable on my 2nd pc`
`18:19.16`	`Kalroth`	`etches a sketch on Adys`
`18:19.58`	`olafski`	`is it possible to turn a specific user's volume down on ventrilo? some people in my gf's guild are really loud`
`18:20.22`	`Kalroth`	`http://internetgames.about.com/od/tweaks/a/ventsettings.htm`
`18:20.48`	`Kalroth`	`(aka normalizing ventrilo)`
`18:21.41`	`Gintaro`	`rm -rf ventrilo`
`18:21.45`	`Gintaro`	`_crap_ program`
`18:21.52`	`olafski`	`cheers, will do that when she has a bio break :)`
`18:25.05`	`olafski`	`I'll just go play on the 360 now.. can't play wow on this machine anymore :'(`
`18:26.21`	`Gintaro`	`You could lower the resolution?`
`18:26.39`	`olafski`	`tried.. I'm wondering if it's even doing that :P`
`18:26.53`	`olafski`	`I set it from 1920x1080 to 1280x720, it looks exactly the same to me`
`18:27.04`	`olafski`	`if it actually changed that's good I guess but I suspect it's just still rendering at 1920x1080`
`18:27.18`	`Gintaro`	`Then something is broken :)`
`18:27.48`	`olafski`	`hm I can easily verify this by making a screenshot I guess :P`
`18:28.32`	`Gintaro`	`http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Vector_Video_Standards2.svg`
`18:28.41`	`Gintaro`	`Or that`
`18:29.08`	`Gintaro`	`guild application is going slow!`
`18:30.32`	`olafski`	`hm it's still 1920x1080`
`18:30.42`	`olafski`	`how the hell =(`
`18:34.02`	`olafski`	`oh derp :( windowed mode maximized.. :)`
`18:37.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`AVR does seem to be rather impressive`
`18:38.38`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [+o eir] by ChanServ`
`18:38.39`	`*** mode/#wowuidev [-qo !@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk eir] by eir`
`18:38.40`	`DWSR`	`Thunder_Child: Yeah, it does.`
`18:40.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`i had assumed it wasnt actually a 3d world interaction but just a overlay of sorts, however the description seems to differ`
`18:41.15`	`olafski`	`I'd call it an overlay that pretends to be 3d by just modifying itself based on where the camera is`
`18:41.47`	`Shadowed`	`It's pretty much the same as the AVR you see on things like the iPhone or androids`
`18:42.17`	`Shadowed`	`just with less info used to display`
`18:43.02`	`*** join/#wowuidev Borgleader (~borgleade@modemcable253.146-130-66.mc.videotron.ca)`
`18:43.41`	`DWSR`	`olafski: It's a proper 3d world interaction. It moves with the player.`
`18:46.32`	`Shadowed`	`Not really, olafski is right`
`18:46.58`	`Shadowed`	`It's fake 3d essentially, it can't actually interact with the 3D world because it can't figure out things like stairs etc`
`18:47.19`	`olafski`	`it moves with the camera, not the player`
`18:47.30`	`Shadowed`	`and that`
`18:49.50`	`Fisker`	`hey Kalroth`
`18:50.00`	`*** join/#wowuidev crs_ (~crs@dslb-084-061-058-235.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`18:50.00`	`*** join/#wowuidev crs (~crs@dslb-084-061-058-235.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`18:50.05`	`Kalroth`	`Damnit, you're back`
`18:50.24`	`Kalroth`	`Say his name again, I dare you`
`18:50.27`	`Fisker`	`you have no proof they did that`
`18:50.37`	`Fisker`	`And the values have been out for days, even weeks before their crack`
`18:50.49`	`Fisker`	`And even if they stole it, they still cracked it`
`18:50.54`	`Kalroth`	`I do have proof :p`
`18:51.04`	`Fisker`	`what proof is that?`
`18:51.14`	`Kalroth`	`There's fake values in the public keyset, skid row copied those values`
`18:52.07`	`Fisker`	`proof?`
`18:52.18`	`Kalroth`	`Yes, that is called proof`
`18:52.36`	`Fisker`	`ok`
`18:52.49`	`Fisker`	`They didn't have fake values in the public keyset, skidrow determined the values themselves`
`18:52.53`	`Kalroth`	`..`
`18:52.54`	`Fisker`	`more proof`
`18:53.41`	`Kalroth`	`dump skid rows dll, you get the full value table which is an exact copy of version 190x of the values`
`18:54.21`	`Fisker`	`i r don't wanna`
`18:54.57`	`Kalroth`	`skid row did make a nice emulator based on dormines work, sure - but its not a crack`
`18:55.03`	`Kalroth`	`and it's not proper either :)`
`18:57.56`	`Fisker`	`it is a crack`
`19:05.07`	`A-KO`	`I would contend that the constant rise in game cost while the lowering of game quality is thievery`
`19:05.13`	`A-KO`	`:P`
`19:05.17`	`A-KO`	`and wow I was scrolled up`
`19:05.18`	`A-KO`	`lol`
`19:05.47`	`DWSR`	`A-KO: I would also contend that you should fight fire with fire.`
`19:05.54`	`A-KO`	`DWSR: I agree`
`19:05.56`	`Gintaro`	`That can work`
`19:05.57`	`A-KO`	`make a bigger fire than theirs`
`19:06.06`	`A-KO`	`usually how wars are won`
`19:06.09`	`DWSR`	`^`
`19:06.14`	`Gintaro`	`Or oil fires are stopped`
`19:07.26`	`Gintaro`	`Although the flame is in the form of a jet-engine`
`19:07.30`	`Fisker`	`sup DWSR`
`19:09.04`	`DWSR`	`Or an explosion`
`19:09.10`	`fiercerest`	`Question: is there a way to see who favorited your addon`
`19:10.20`	`Lonny`	`Question: Why do you need to know ? :p`
`19:10.47`	`Gintaro`	`bigger e-peen?`
`19:11.01`	`Kalroth`	`maybe his greatest enemy favorited his addon and he wants proof of it`
`19:11.09`	`Lonny`	`haha`
`19:11.12`	`fiercerest`	`Bingo`
`19:11.31`	`DWSR`	`Because he wants to.`
`19:12.24`	`fiercerest`	`It's (in my opinion) such an abscure mod, I'm curious if it's people I know or if other people are just finding it`
`19:12.44`	`fiercerest`	`s/abscure/obscure/`
`19:13.40`	`Gintaro`	`So you actually want to know _if_ people have added you to their favorites`
`19:14.40`	`Gintaro`	`because the people you know, you could just ask. Or am I out of line here?`
`19:14.54`	`fiercerest`	`I just want to know the answer to my question. My motives are kind of irrelevent don't you think? I'm gonna guess the answer is no.`
`19:15.57`	`Gintaro`	`I'm guessing the easiest way to find out what you want to know is to deploy a MITM attack`
`19:16.17`	`Gintaro`	`Not entirely legal but it'll get you the information you want`
`19:16.46`	`fiercerest`	`\/facepalm`
`19:16.51`	`Kalroth`	`hahah`
`19:16.59`	`industrial`	`Question: Why hasn't there been an addon yet that completely saves and restores chat window contents state between reloads and logins? I think this would greatly convenience any addon author ...`
`19:17.00`	`fiercerest`	`is there an escape character for irc so i can type a /`
`19:17.15`	`industrial`	`fiercerest: depends on your client, most have /say /foo`
`19:17.17`	`Gintaro`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:17.18`	`DWSR`	`^`
`19:17.20`	`industrial`	`/haha`
`19:17.25`	`DWSR`	`Some use control+enter.`
`19:17.28`	`Kraps`	`anyone seen Kick-Ass?`
`19:17.29`	`DWSR`	`/like this`
`19:17.37`	`fiercerest`	`/`
`19:17.40`	`industrial`	`\o/`
`19:17.42`	`fiercerest`	`ah, thanks`
`19:17.49`	`fiercerest`	`/facepalm`
`19:17.49`	`DWSR`	`fiercerest: mirc uses Ctrl+Enter.`
`19:17.49`	`Gintaro`	`/wOOOooOOoOOoOO`
`19:17.57`	`Gintaro`	`xchat is easy, //`
`19:17.59`	`fiercerest`	`yea, thats what i'm using DWSR`
`19:18.21`	`*** join/#wowuidev Stew-a (~Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753)`
`19:18.31`	`cog\|away`	`Shirik: why didn't you tell me character map had an advanced mode!??`
`19:18.54`	`zenzelezz`	`...`
`19:19.15`	`zenzelezz`	`Windows' character map?`
`19:19.21`	`cog\|away`	`nod ><`
`19:19.32`	`zenzelezz`	`cleverly hidden in the main UI :-p`
`19:19.35`	`cog\|away`	`I always googled "unicode _____" when i wanted to search for something`
`19:19.46`	`cog\|away`	`~cogwheel--`
`19:20.01`	`zenzelezz`	`well, fileformat.info does have a decent Unicode search/listing`
`19:20.11`	`Gintaro`	`tssskk`
`19:20.14`	`Gintaro`	`advanced mode sucks`
`19:20.20`	`*** join/#wowuidev Athrun-- (~drag@mlr78-3-88-162-68-235.fbx.proxad.net)`
`19:20.23`	`Gintaro`	`Couldn't even find triforce`
`19:23.16`	`zenzelezz`	`triforce?`
`19:24.15`	`industrial`	`zenzelezz: /b/tard phenomenon`
`19:24.46`	`zenzelezz`	`I see`
`19:25.18`	`Fisker`	`zenzelezz my man`
`19:26.05`	`Gintaro`	`But it is true, there are two kinds of people, those who don't know 4chan and those who don't go there`
`19:27.45`	`zenzelezz`	`one does not simply walk into /b/`
`19:28.11`	`Gintaro`	`don't get it`
`19:29.03`	`*** join/#wowuidev Stew-a (~Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753)`
`19:29.28`	`Fisker`	`zenzelezz tager den i prutten`
`19:29.45`	`Gintaro`	`I don't get that either`
`19:30.01`	`Fisker`	`you wouldn't want to`
`19:30.22`	`Gintaro`	`take the haggle ...`
`19:31.00`	`zenzelezz`	`seriously thought Fisker... you used to be a good troll, now you're just that guy who keeps pinging us`
`19:31.05`	`Kraps`	`Gintaro: http://knowyourmeme.com/i/15109/original/rock.jpg?1252000770`
`19:31.28`	`Gintaro`	`right`
`19:31.32`	`Gintaro`	`it's not even funny!`
`19:33.05`	`kd3`	`wow. a hilt dropped`
`19:34.29`	`*** join/#wowuidev Ashenar (~43b57c6d@gateway/web/freenode/x-dkogrvnpdavhfdpz)`
`19:35.32`	`Ashenar`	`Hello, question.. I understand it is bad idea to have function in xml.. <OnLoad>self.TimeSinceLastUpdate = 0 </OnLoad> isn't that a function?`
`19:36.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yes, it is`
`19:37.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But that is fone`
`19:37.03`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*fine`
`19:38.41`	`Ashenar`	`hmm okay, okay, guess thats what bugging me, okay thanks. ;)`
`19:38.57`	`Fisker`	`no kd3`
`19:39.02`	`eidolarr`	`why is that a bad idea?`
`19:39.06`	`Fisker`	`i never trolled you zenzelezz`
`19:39.06`	`Ashenar`	`pah need get off the coffee.. to many 'okay' lol`
`19:39.07`	`zenzelezz`	`if you wanted to, you could just move that line to your .lua file; place it outside of any functions`
`19:39.15`	`Fisker`	`it's not how i roll`
`19:39.28`	`zenzelezz`	`Fisker: no, but you trolled others, and it was good`
`19:39.30`	`eidolarr`	`you mean to declare a function inside a tag is a bad idea?`
`19:40.09`	`Ashenar`	`eidolarr, i read somewhere it is best not to have functions within xml , rather have all functions in lua`
`19:40.49`	`Ashenar`	`but don't take my word for it, i am a total newbie in this ;)`
`19:41.11`	`Gintaro`	`mixing is usually a bad idea`
`19:41.41`	`eidolarr`	`is that just a design reason?`
`19:41.44`	`Lonny`	`Gintaro, I doubt it`
`19:41.56`	`Gintaro`	`bayleys and cola for example`
`19:42.19`	`Gintaro`	`or mentos and cola`
`19:42.26`	`Lonny`	`lol`
`19:42.30`	`Ashenar`	`eidolarr no idea, its just a sample i got from WoWwiki... going to try a different approach`
`19:42.31`	`Lonny`	`It's always better to have locals over globals and he mey refers to that`
`19:43.17`	`eidolarr`	`link me to the wik page?`
`19:43.46`	`Ashenar`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Using_OnUpdate_correctly`
`19:43.50`	`eidolarr`	`Lonny: why can't youb use locals in xml?`
`19:44.39`	`Fisker`	`i'm so tired kd3`
`19:44.54`	`Lonny`	`because it's scoped the the widget handler (in this case), well you can pass a reference now through OnEvent function attribute iirc`
`19:45.46`	`zenzelezz`	`in my opinion, it's more the fact that keeping lots of lua in your XML makes the XML more unreadable`
`19:45.48`	`eidolarr`	`Lonny: i don't understand what you're saying`
`19:46.09`	`eidolarr`	`why couldn't you just implement yuor whole handler in the widget handler?`
`19:46.20`	`Lonny`	`eidolarr: you can`
`19:47.11`	`Ashenar`	`Question: do you use Sol , if yes, what does Sol do?`
`19:48.55`	`Gintaro`	`what's sol?`
`19:48.56`	`Lonny`	`I don't think it's bad though, like you said it's a matter of design, and requirement, so go with whatever fit you best :)`
`19:49.27`	`Gintaro`	`I think of mixing lua with xml as I think of mixing php with html`
`19:49.41`	`Gintaro`	`it's bad and it looks aweful and one of the two totally sucks`
`19:49.42`	`Lonny`	`and how is it bad ?`
`19:50.22`	`Lonny`	`If you're referring to spaghetti code, that's anothe issue :)`
`19:50.27`	`Lonny`	`another*`
`19:51.40`	`Gintaro`	`I think you've got the definition of spaghetti code wrong`
`19:52.00`	`Lonny`	`How so ?`
`19:52.22`	`Ashenar`	`Disregard Sol question`
`19:52.29`	`Lonny`	`Mixing Lua and XML is far from being spaghetti code`
`19:52.59`	`zenzelezz`	`http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/A-Bit-Excessive.aspx#Pic4`
`19:54.08`	`Lonny`	`"I think of mixing lua with xml as I think of mixing php with html" These are two different things, and have huge architectural differences how can you think about it in the same way`
`19:54.15`	`krka`	`i've not seen spaghetti code in many many years now`
`19:54.26`	`krka`	`you really need to abuse goto for that`
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`19:54.51`	`zenzelezz`	`these days it's more wok code`
`19:55.00`	`Thrae`	`krka: Sometimes people just use it as a euphemism for obsfucated code.`
`19:55.02`	`zenzelezz`	`take a bunch of unrelated things and throw them in a pot together`
`19:55.40`	`Thrae`	`Anyone remember the old Thottbot WoW addon? Boy that was fun to read!`
`19:56.19`	`krka`	`yeah, i still see a lot of DRY and SRP violations`
`19:56.30`	`Lonny`	`I still see programmers write "spaghetti code" everywhere without having design in mind`
`19:56.40`	`Lonny`	`krka indeed`
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`20:23.21`	`ZorbaTHut`	`personally I think heavy design can be, and often is, overused. it's a bad idea to just "do whatever", but it's equally a bad idea to try guessing what changes you'll need in version 4.0 when you haven't finished 1.0`
`20:23.44`	`ZorbaTHut`	`way too often I've seen object-oriented designs or hook functions that nobody has ever used once because it turns out nobody cares.`
`20:26.34`	`tekkub`	`OO design is good... STRICT OO design is bad`
`20:26.38`	`tekkub`	`from what I've seen`
`20:26.51`	`ZorbaTHut`	`abstraction is good.`
`20:26.57`	`ZorbaTHut`	`OO is not necessarily good.`
`20:27.08`	`ZorbaTHut`	`strict OO is, indeed, almost always ridiculous :)`
`20:27.11`	`Lonny\|afk`	`abstraction ? What kind of abstraction ?`
`20:27.45`	`ZorbaTHut`	`lonny, divide your program mentally into a few modules, figure out where you can put the chokepoints for communication. having sensible interfaces to bat back and forth tends to work quite well`
`20:28.13`	`ZorbaTHut`	`OO is a form of abstraction, but sometimes there's no need to pass objects around, you may as well just use known global interfaces`
`20:28.54`	`Lonny`	`abstraction tend to lead a lot of programmers to abuse inheritance, and you end up with heavy inherited design`
`20:29.03`	`ZorbaTHut`	`there's nothing in abstraction that implies inheritance`
`20:29.17`	`ZorbaTHut`	`abstraction just means you don't have things depending on each other's implementations`
`20:29.26`	`ZorbaTHut`	`you don't need inheritance or even classes for it.`
`20:29.28`	`Lonny`	`There is..that's why I asked what kind of abstraction`
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`20:30.08`	`ZorbaTHut`	`the PC BIOS is an abstraction. You jam a few values into RAM, the BIOS does something, you don't care how it does it, only that it gets done. That's abstraction, and there's no formal concept of inheritance involved.`
`20:30.13`	`Shirik`	`Kraps`
`20:30.15`	`Shirik`	`ping`
`20:30.29`	`Kraps`	`pong`
`20:30.45`	`Lonny`	`abstraction can be a term used in implementation, and concept`
`20:31.04`	`Fisker`	`hey Shirik`
`20:31.05`	`Fisker`	`ping`
`20:31.48`	`Lonny`	`There are also patterns that actually abstract implementation so it has what to share with inheritence, it depends on the context`
`20:34.05`	`Gintaro`	`Lonny, you said mixing was spaghetti code not me`
`20:34.46`	`Lonny`	`No, you better reread.`
`20:35.19`	`Gintaro`	`<Lonny> If you're referring to spaghetti code, that's anothe issue :)`
`20:35.24`	`Lonny`	`IF ...`
`20:35.40`	`Gintaro`	`And I wasn't`
`20:37.01`	`Gintaro`	`And I still stand by my statement`
`20:37.18`	`Lonny`	`You said that mixing Lua and XML mae you think php and html, so I thought you're referring to spaghetti code, that's why I said it's another issue and unrelated`
`20:37.18`	`DWSR`	`YOU SIR, HAVE WON THE INTERNETS.`
`20:37.27`	`Lonny`	`make*`
`20:37.34`	`Gintaro`	`What did I win?`
`20:37.52`	`Gintaro`	`Cookies? Those would be tasty`
`20:38.17`	`DWSR`	`You won the internets.`
`20:38.22`	`DWSR`	`It's a series of tubes.`
`20:38.27`	`Gintaro`	`What good does that do me?!`
`20:38.38`	`Gintaro`	`I can't eat it now can I?!`
`20:42.18`	`DWSR`	`Depends.`
`20:42.25`	`DWSR`	`Are you a 50 foot tall robot from outer space?`
`20:44.06`	`Gintaro`	`No`
`20:45.57`	`Gintaro`	`I still want to see the uncensored version of the southpark episode`
`20:46.09`	`Gintaro`	`The one with the 2 min bleep at the end`
`20:46.15`	`Gintaro`	`and santa`
`20:46.29`	`DWSR`	`wow,.`
`20:46.35`	`DWSR`	`Just got 3 Monarch Topaz in my Icy Prism.`
`20:48.21`	`Gintaro`	`oeh found it`
`20:48.25`	`Gintaro`	`useless blue gems!`
`20:48.33`	`Kraps`	`meh, totalbiscuit is too whiny this week`
`20:50.48`	`DWSR`	`Gintaro: They're useful, if you know Transmute alchemists.`
`20:54.47`	`Gintaro`	`cooldown is too high :(`
`20:57.04`	`DWSR`	`Not really.`
`20:57.06`	`DWSR`	`20h isn't bad.`
`20:57.15`	`DWSR`	`1 per day, plus procs. It's a good business.`
`20:57.46`	`DWSR`	`Does Unholy Presence stack with Tuskarr's Vitality?`
`20:57.58`	`Gintaro`	`Unlikely`
`20:58.18`	`DWSR`	`So is you ever getting laid. That doesn't mean it's impossible.`
`20:58.29`	`Gintaro`	`I hope not`
`20:58.37`	`Gintaro`	`wait`
`20:58.43`	`Gintaro`	`s/not/so/ ?`
`20:58.51`	`Gintaro`	`Yeah, definatly`
`20:59.03`	`Gintaro`	`Language is difficuly!`
`20:59.05`	`DWSR`	`lol`
`20:59.12`	`DWSR`	`No, you have it correct the first time.`
`20:59.18`	`DWSR`	`s/have/had/`
`20:59.18`	`Gintaro`	`That's what I thought!`
`20:59.19`	`DWSR`	`Wow.`
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`21:33.45`	`DWSR`	`WTB a way to move talent points without having to redo your action bars entirely.`
`21:35.17`	`zenzelezz`	`what do you mean "redo entirely"? Should be just the talent actions you have to redo?`
`21:36.13`	`Mikk`	`DWSR: ActionBarSaver`
`21:36.20`	`Mikk`	`+AddonLoader if you care about addons loaded`
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`21:52.03`	`Zyn`	`moonwalks`
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`22:12.24`	`Gintaro`	`I still love trolling the northern bank dalaran`
`22:12.34`	`Gintaro`	`Annoying people by standing in the center booth`
`22:14.14`	`Zyn`	`wut`
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`22:20.05`	`alestane`	`Why do these people advertise their game as being "so addictive, it ruins lives. You've been warned." Is that supposed to be an incentive?`
`22:20.23`	`Gintaro`	`who are "these people"`
`22:20.50`	`alestane`	`Whoever's advertising it. I haven't bothered to research yet.`
`22:21.17`	`Gintaro`	`which game then?`
`22:21.25`	`Gintaro`	`peggle?`
`22:21.31`	`Gintaro`	`bejeweled`
`22:21.35`	`Gintaro`	`Cause I could understand those`
`22:23.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`chess!`
`22:24.04`	`Gintaro`	`Nah, chess is too difficult to play properly`
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`22:24.15`	`Gintaro`	`I can play it just fine I just don't think more then 3 seconds per move`
`22:24.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Chess is too proper to play`
`22:24.28`	`Kraps`	`flier (noun) The pilot of an aircraft`
`22:29.39`	`alestane`	`Superhero City, it's called.`
`22:30.42`	`Gintaro`	`All I find is facebook`
`22:30.50`	`Gintaro`	`s/face/fail/`
`22:30.56`	`alestane`	`I believe it's a facebook game, yes.`
`22:30.57`	`Mikk`	`facebook is so addictive, it ruins lives`
`22:30.59`	`Mikk`	`you've been warned`
`22:32.02`	`Gintaro`	`failbook will publish every move you make, it ruins privacy, you've been warned`
`22:32.31`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Peppy is so addictive, she will ruin your life! :)`
`22:32.48`	`alestane`	`I know I can't get enough of her.`
`22:32.57`	`Lopeppeppy`	`purrrrr`
`22:33.42`	`Cidwel`	`um, if I create a frame that is child of a secureframe, all the code that could change that frame should be protected?`
`22:34.27`	`alestane`	`A fram that is protected "protects" its parents automatically, but not its children.`
`22:34.56`	`Cidwel`	`omg! ok`
`22:35.05`	`Mikk`	`and of course you can always do whatever outside of combat`
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`22:40.26`	`Shirik`	`ok sed gurus`
`22:40.28`	`Shirik`	`what's wrong with this?`
`22:40.32`	`Shirik`	`cat ./output.txt \| grep Found \| sed -e 's/(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)/*{{checkuser\|\1}}/g'`
`22:40.54`	`Shirik`	`trying to turn "1.2.3.4" into "*{{checkuser\|1.2.3.4}}"`
`22:41.45`	`cbreak`	`* doesn't need to be escaped in the result pattern?`
`22:41.50`	`cbreak`	`(what is the problem?)`
`22:42.03`	`Shirik`	`oh sorry`
`22:42.11`	`Shirik`	sed: -e expression #1, char 42: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
`22:42.46`	`Iriel`	`sed doesn't support +`
`22:43.35`	`Iriel`	`And you need $ and $`
`22:43.37`	`Iriel`	`not ( and )`
`22:43.38`	`Iriel`	`IIRC`
`22:43.56`	`cbreak`	`he wants to capture it`
`22:44.26`	`cbreak`	`man re_format says ? and + are normal characters, and it says how to emulate them`
`22:46.09`	`Shirik`	`No manual entry for re_format`
`22:46.19`	`cbreak`	`hmm... seems to use captures, $ and $ are needed.`
`22:46.32`	`cbreak`	`it is here on OS X. ah well.`
`22:46.43`	`cbreak`	`maybe a different sed version`
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`22:47.07`	`Iriel`	`I tested on linux before I answered`
`22:47.19`	`Iriel`	`# echo 'hithere' \| sed -e 's/$ii*$/j\1j/g'`
`22:47.19`	`Iriel`	`hjijthere`
`22:47.19`	`Iriel`	`granite:/var/log/exim4# echo 'hithere' \| sed -e 's/(ii*)/j\1j/g'`
`22:47.19`	`Iriel`	sed: -e expression #1, char 14: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
`22:47.25`	`Shirik`	`I ust tried cat ./output.txt \| grep Found \| sed -e 's/$\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}$/*{{checkuser\|\1}}/g'`
`22:47.32`	`Shirik`	`which just dumped out a bunch of crap`
`22:47.41`	`Iriel`	`Sed is stupd, it knows *`
`22:47.43`	`Iriel`	`that's about it`
`22:48.24`	`Iriel`	`You want [0-9], not \d`
`22:48.35`	`Iriel`	`you want [0-9][0-9]* instead of \d+`
`22:49.03`	`Iriel`	`Though your sed may support the -r option, which enabled extended RE's`
`22:49.43`	`Iriel`	`Which would make your first example valud`
`22:49.45`	`Iriel`	`valid, even`
`22:49.51`	`Iriel`	`so maybe that's all you were missing`
`22:50.09`	`Shirik`	`still`
`22:50.10`	`Shirik`	`mpdelbuono@heresiarchguild ~ $ cat ./output.txt \| grep Found \| sed -e 's/([0-9]\.[0-9]\.[0-9]\.[0-9])/*{{checkuser\|\1}}/g'`
`22:50.11`	`Shirik`	sed: -e expression #1, char 54: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS
`22:51.05`	`cbreak`	`has to be \( maybe.`
`22:51.08`	`Iriel`	`sed -r -e 's/([0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+)/*{{checkuser\|\1}}/g'`
`22:51.12`	`Iriel`	`That's what you need`
`22:51.26`	`Shirik`	`Iriel wins`
`22:51.43`	`Iriel`	`that's what 20 years of sed gets you 8-)`
`22:51.57`	`Iriel`	`(Knowing how limited it is)`
`22:52.22`	`Iriel`	`You MIGHT want to stick an -n on there, and a p next to the g`
`22:52.27`	`Iriel`	`if you want it to skip lines it doesn't match`
`22:52.53`	`Shirik`	`already got the output I wanted`
`22:52.54`	`Shirik`	`thanks!`
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`23:05.48`	`ScratchMonkey`	`Can I have a text display that can be copied from but not edited? Is there a way to set an EditBox to do that, or do I want a different control?`
`23:13.06`	`alestane`	`See how the Lua error frame does it.`
`23:13.38`	`foxlit`	`grr, dvd release dates.`
`23:14.29`	`foxlit`	`http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0027FFSK8 << still not out :/`
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`23:17.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`foxlit: funny, I could get that in HD quality in about 3 hours :<`
`23:18.36`	`foxlit`	`mhm?`
`23:18.43`	`Kraps`	`3 hours?`
`23:18.48`	`Kraps`	`ur slow`
`23:20.43`	`Gnarfoz`	`Kraps: ?`
`23:21.05`	`Kraps`	`rapidshare`
`23:21.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`you realize that entirely depends on my internet connection speed? :p`
`23:21.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`how is rapidshare relevant`
`23:21.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`10GiB simply take a while to transfer. :p`
`23:28.47`	`Zyn`	`I love how AVR is generating so much QQ now that it got in the spotlight on MMOC`
`23:29.06`	`Zyn`	`"ban ban ban!", "omg cheat addon", "my mom is fat -_-", etc`
`23:29.36`	`DWSR`	`Zyn: Meh.`
`23:29.40`	`DWSR`	`It's not a cheat addon`
`23:29.45`	`DWSR`	`It's just for people who are fucking retarded. :)`
`23:30.05`	`Zyn`	`then I am retarded`
`23:30.25`	`DWSR`	`I find there to be nothing wrong with the concept.`
`23:31.06`	`DWSR`	`However, the Encounters portion pretty much makes things so blindingly simple that even a 6 year old could do it, and if that is your raiding crutch, you should take up a different game.`
`23:31.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`or you should mind your own business and let people play how they want to play ;p`
`23:31.56`	`Zyn`	`people raging about this and hating on it makes me smile`
`23:32.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`dwsr being one of them ;)`
`23:32.04`	`DWSR`	`I'm not hating, simply stating. :)`
`23:32.36`	`DWSR`	`You'll find approximately 0 emotional response.`
`23:32.45`	`DWSR`	`I think that the concept itself is actually pretty cool.`
`23:32.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`I'd be happier if I found 0 reponse. :P`
`23:32.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`+s`
`23:33.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`if I can stay directly on Rotface because I can see exactly which spots are safe because nobody stood there just a moment ago, that's an improvement for me`
`23:33.13`	`Zyn`	`you see ... if I get an emotional response, it certainly involves minus DKP`
`23:33.24`	`Zyn`	`my GM tends to get very eeeeh emotional when shit hits the fan`
`23:33.30`	`Gintaro`	`omg, AVR is awesome`
`23:33.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`if I can see someone is not far away from me on Sindragosa heroic with their exploding magic debuff, I can move away slightly and improve the overall situation`
`23:33.47`	`cbreak`	`people will trust it`
`23:33.50`	`cbreak`	`and people will die`
`23:33.53`	`Gnarfoz`	`*not far enough away`
`23:34.04`	`Shirik`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_park#Main_features_in_waterpark`
`23:34.10`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: If your kill is so close that comes down to you being able to stay on the boss that extra half second, I'd call that a kill due to good RNG.`
`23:34.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`cbreak: let them die, they'd have died without it anyway`
`23:34.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`DWSR: who said it was`
`23:34.30`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: Then it makes approximately no difference.`
`23:34.32`	`Gnarfoz`	`it's about improving anything that can be improved`
`23:34.38`	`DWSR`	`If it ain't broke...`
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`23:34.47`	`DWSR`	`And, what cbreak said.`
`23:34.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`cbreak said something that doesn't make sense, anyway`
`23:35.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`because he's insinuating it's "not to be trusted"`
`23:35.11`	`DWSR`	`no.`
`23:35.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes.`
`23:35.17`	`Ashenar`	`Hi , question.. do you guys use UnitHealth("target") ?`
`23:35.18`	`DWSR`	`He's insinuating that the addon can't be perfect.`
`23:35.23`	`DWSR`	`Which it can't be.`
`23:35.32`	`foxlit`	`http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/416JoyjdkDL._SS500_.jpg`
`23:35.34`	`cbreak`	`did you read the list of limitations? :)`
`23:35.35`	`Gnarfoz`	`Ashenar: anyone who wants to know their current target's health would be`
`23:35.35`	`DWSR`	`However, people will trust it blindly under the assumption that it /is/ perfect.`
`23:35.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`cbreak: I've known the addon for about as long as it exists, so yes`
`23:36.03`	`Ashenar`	`Gnarfoz what would be the parameter for self? if "self" doesn't work?`
`23:36.04`	`cbreak`	`some of them are easy to hit`
`23:36.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`and AVRE doesn't really use any of the stuff that is bound to be inaccurate`
`23:36.15`	`Zyn`	`well, I use AVR and there's nothing you can do about it! Hah!`
`23:36.16`	`DWSR`	`Of course it does.`
`23:36.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`Ashenar: self what? how does self factor into this`
`23:36.22`	`Zyn`	`strides away, "Haters gonna hate"`
`23:36.34`	`cbreak`	`self?`
`23:36.35`	`DWSR`	`Ashenar: "player".`
`23:36.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`oh, yourself.`
`23:36.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`xD`
`23:37.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`self has a special meaning in Lua terms, fyi, thought you were referring to that`
`23:37.03`	`Ashenar`	`player? thanks ;)`
`23:37.26`	`Ashenar`	`Gnarfoz, sorry , yeah not self.function type thing ;P`
`23:37.29`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: The addon itself cannot be perfect.`
`23:37.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`DWSR: nobody said it is`
`23:37.38`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: No matter how close it is, it will never be perfect.`
`23:37.43`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: You just did.`
`23:37.47`	`DWSR`	`[19:36:07] <Gnarfoz>and AVRE doesn't really use any of the stuff that is bound to be inaccurate`
`23:37.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`quote me saying it. :)`
`23:37.52`	`DWSR`	`Just did.`
`23:38.02`	`Gnarfoz`	`try brushing up on your reading comprehension, then`
`23:38.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`shrugs`
`23:38.11`	`DWSR`	`No, try saying what you mean.`
`23:38.15`	`DWSR`	`The addon promotes laziness.`
`23:38.20`	`Gnarfoz`	`who cares?`
`23:38.20`	`DWSR`	`People /will/ trust it.`
`23:38.23`	`Gnarfoz`	`you, obviously`
`23:38.25`	`DWSR`	`And those people will die.`
`23:38.32`	`DWSR`	`What cbreak said is absolutely true.`
`23:38.36`	`Gnarfoz`	`they can die, they could die without using it, too`
`23:38.44`	`Gnarfoz`	`which is what I said earlier`
`23:38.57`	`cbreak`	`three guesses who they will blame`
`23:39.01`	`DWSR`	`^`
`23:39.02`	`cbreak`	`the tank, the healer, the addon.`
`23:39.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`themselves?`
`23:39.17`	`cbreak`	`never.`
`23:39.19`	`DWSR`	`^`
`23:39.27`	`Gnarfoz`	`luckily, I dont' have to raid with such morons`
`23:39.30`	`DWSR`	`cbreak, if I could give you multiple positive karma, I would.`
`23:39.30`	`Gnarfoz`	`you obviously do`
`23:39.34`	`DWSR`	`~cbreak++`
`23:39.56`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: If you don't raid with morons, you obviously have no need for the addon then. :)`
`23:40.06`	`Gnarfoz`	`who said I have a need for it?`
`23:40.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`I have a want for it.`
`23:40.21`	`Xyphoid`	`i don't know, i've wanted an addon that lets me draw visual notes since vashj`
`23:40.24`	`DWSR`	`First stage is denial, and all that.`
`23:40.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, nice try`
`23:40.46`	`DWSR`	`I'm not trying anything. :)`
`23:40.53`	`cbreak`	`I wrote an addon that does that Xyphoid, ages ago, but it didn't project it into 3D space`
`23:40.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`yes, you're trying to say I need it.`
`23:40.55`	`cbreak`	`more like maps`
`23:41.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`which would suggest I suck too bad to kill stuff without it`
`23:41.09`	`DWSR`	`cbreak: Whiteboard?`
`23:41.11`	`cbreak`	`"ArtPad" on wowinterface. There's a spinoff recently`
`23:41.24`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: I didn't suggest anything of the sort. :)`
`23:41.29`	`Gnarfoz`	`you obviously don't care to improve anything about your raid performance as long as "boss dies somehow" is fulfilled`
`23:41.40`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: Raid success is pretty black and white.`
`23:41.42`	`DWSR`	`You kill it or you don't.`
`23:41.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`if that's all you care about`
`23:41.50`	`DWSR`	`The boss doesn't "sort of die"`
`23:41.51`	`Gnarfoz`	`try leading a raid.`
`23:41.55`	`DWSR`	`I have, many times.`
`23:41.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`no, somehow. not sort of.`
`23:42.09`	`DWSR`	`Both PUG and guild raids.`
`23:42.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`if it is a stressful kill, putting unnecessary strain on some part of your raid group (healers, most likely) then there is stuff left to improve`
`23:42.56`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: You don't raid with morons though, so your kills should never be stressful. :)`
`23:43.18`	`DWSR`	`You should be able to one shot just about everything up until heroic wing bosses in ICC, right?`
`23:43.19`	`Gnarfoz`	`not raiding with morons is stage one to get stuff dead. it's not necessarily enough to get stuff dead nicely. :D`
`23:43.36`	`Ashenar`	`I hope i am not the cause of this flame war lol, the target player i use for emote, not for heals, i trust no mod for heals`
`23:43.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`but I guess not everyone's a perfectionist. :o`
`23:43.46`	`DWSR`	`Ashenar: No, this is something else. :)`
`23:43.55`	`Ashenar`	`lol okay, hehe`
`23:44.05`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: The boss ends up perfectly dead. When the dust settles, if there's purple pixels on the ground, you win. Otherwise, you lose.`
`23:44.37`	`Gnarfoz`	`so if my healers quit 3 weeks in the future because they can't take the stress, I still win?`
`23:44.48`	`DWSR`	`I thought you didn't raid with morons.`
`23:44.50`	`Xyphoid`	`that's the criteria for a successful bossfight, maybe, but a raid is a period of time spent`
`23:45.02`	`Gintaro`	`wait, stress, in a game? You're doing it wrong`
`23:45.05`	`DWSR`	`^`
`23:45.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`how is that making them morons? I must have missed that`
`23:45.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`Gintaro: exactly`
`23:45.37`	`A-KO`	`Gnarfoz: I am :P`
`23:45.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`you are what?`
`23:45.51`	`A-KO`	`a perfectionist`
`23:45.56`	`A-KO`	`I don't like having half the raid dead on a boss kill`
`23:46.03`	`A-KO`	`it's almost as bad as wiping tbh`
`23:46.11`	`Gnarfoz`	`in before "don't raid with morons" from DWSR`
`23:46.20`	`DWSR`	`Don't raid with morons, then.`
`23:46.37`	`DWSR`	`You can understand why you argument is very flawed, then, I take it Gnarfoz?`
`23:46.49`	`Gintaro`	`It's too bad it's limited to vector graphics though, I want more eye-candy`
`23:47.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`DWSR: I'd first like to know what argument you take that to be`
`23:47.08`	`Kraps`	`cince when did Grace have stacks when falling off?`
`23:47.12`	`Gintaro`	`What's the point in running around with high graphic settings if 80% of the map is covered by projections`
`23:47.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`because "not a moron" is not the same as "best player possible"`
`23:47.46`	`Corrodias`	`stress is an important part of gaming, too`
`23:47.55`	`DWSR`	`Either you're raiding with people who need the mod to not die, in which case they're a moron, or you're not, in which case they're not a moron.`
`23:47.56`	`Corrodias`	`any challenge induces stress`
`23:48.07`	`Gnarfoz`	`DWSR: that's all fine and dandy.`
`23:48.15`	`NiLon`	`any good player generate huge amount of stress while playing`
`23:48.32`	`*** join/#wowuidev Babelfish (~WinNT@c-68-50-224-114.hsd1.md.comcast.net)`
`23:48.34`	`Corrodias`	`there is a concept of "positive stress". even happy things cause it.`
`23:48.39`	`DWSR`	`^`
`23:48.54`	`Gnarfoz`	`yeah, like you thought of that beforehand, DWSR`
`23:48.58`	`Corrodias`	`that's not to say it's healthy to get too much, but it is healthy to get the right amount`
`23:49.00`	`DWSR`	`I never said I did.`
`23:49.09`	`DWSR`	`It's still a perfectly valid point.`
`23:49.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`so?`
`23:49.14`	`Gintaro`	`Corrodias, I wouldn't call that stress`
`23:49.21`	`Gnarfoz`	`it does not relate, however, to the negative stress I was talking about.`
`23:49.22`	`DWSR`	`Gintaro: What would you call it then?`
`23:49.26`	`Xyphoid`	`you love your excluded middle, don't you`
`23:49.43`	`Corrodias`	`Gintaro: maybe, maybe not, but i'm speaking from what i remember of either a psychology or health class. i don't remember which, exactly.`
`23:49.48`	`DWSR`	`Xyphoid: "excluded middle stress", lolwat?`
`23:49.59`	`Gnarfoz`	`DWSR: you seem to posit that there is no point in further improving anything as soon as the minimal goal is met. (i.e. boss dies)`
`23:50.01`	`Xyphoid`	`i'm replying to your comment about morons`
`23:50.10`	`DWSR`	`ah`
`23:50.42`	`DWSR`	`Gnarfoz: What exactly are you striving to do when you raid? You'er trying to achieve a goal. In most cases, that goal is to kill some boss(es).`
`23:50.47`	`Gnarfoz`	`bleh, I wanted to do daily heroic half an hour ago :P`
`23:50.47`	`Corrodias`	`in any case, any game that challenges the player gives them negative stress. whether they throw controllers or merely try again without changing expression.`
`23:50.49`	`DWSR`	`So, you're saying that once that goal is met?`
`23:50.53`	`DWSR`	`that there's more?`
`23:51.10`	`Xyphoid`	`kill more bosses per unit time`
`23:51.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`^`
`23:51.22`	`Gnarfoz`	`(if I may use that for once ;p)`
`23:51.26`	`DWSR`	`Of course.`
`23:51.46`	`DWSR`	`I thought you weren't raiding with morons Xyphoid.`
`23:51.47`	`DWSR`	`err,`
`23:51.52`	`DWSR`	`s/Xyphoid/Gnarfoz/`
`23:51.53`	`cbreak`	`easiest way to improve killing speed: wait for 30% buff.`
`23:52.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`apropos kill stuff per time, I need to do my daily heroic dungeon on my alt or I will miss it for today, so, bye for now =)`
`23:52.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`cbreak: that's for morons, though! :D`
`23:52.19`	`cbreak`	`nah`
`23:52.25`	`cbreak`	`it's for everyone who doesn't turn it off`
`23:52.27`	`DWSR`	`That's for the lazy.`
`23:52.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`you know it's only a valid kill if you turn the buff off. ;)`
`23:52.56`	`cbreak`	`you can just leave off the flasks and use it instead`
`23:53.06`	`DWSR`	`lol`
`23:53.08`	`DWSR`	`Or just leave off Kings.`
`23:53.11`	`cbreak`	`oh, wait, it's not a valid kill if you're on drugs`
`23:53.15`	`Gnarfoz`	`even the 5% version probably far outweighed flasks`
`23:53.23`	`DWSR`	`Just leave off Kings.`
`23:53.27`	`DWSR`	`It's about the same.`
`23:53.50`	`cbreak`	`price("flask") > price("kings")`
`23:53.59`	`cbreak`	`so in these days oeconomy, flasks go.`
`23:54.03`	`DWSR`	`raid enough`
`23:54.07`	`DWSR`	`s/raid/Fair/`
`23:54.10`	`DWSR`	`I never flask anymore.`
`23:54.29`	`Gintaro`	`Oeh I do!`
`23:54.37`	`Kraps`	`Skillet is good`
`23:54.38`	`cbreak`	`I use flasks when I actually get a full raid to the bosses we don't oneshot`
`23:54.42`	`DWSR`	`I'm walking around with almost 60k HP.`
`23:54.47`	`DWSR`	`Or 9.5k DPS`
`23:54.50`	`Gintaro`	`But then again, bloodfang isn't that competitive in heroics even with the flask`
`23:54.51`	`DWSR`	`I do not need to flask.`
`23:54.51`	`cbreak`	`but lately, people aren't much into raiding anymore :(`
`23:55.14`	`Gnarfoz`	`+armor is more effective, anyway :>`
`23:55.14`	`cbreak`	`"competitive" and "heroics"?`
`23:55.33`	`cbreak`	`what is not competitive in them?`
`23:55.34`	`Gintaro`	`Uhuh, I need to at least beat the tank`
`23:55.41`	`DWSR`	`I beat the tank in my PvP gear.`
`23:55.43`	`DWSR`	`Always.`
`23:55.50`	`Gintaro`	`T2 is harder`
`23:56.36`	`Gintaro`	`I'll even wear 2xDark Herring if I'm really bored`
`23:56.51`	`Gintaro`	`Which has btw, still no glow`
`23:56.51`	`DWSR`	`lol`
`23:57.03`	`Gnarfoz`	`but lasers!`
`23:57.06`	`DWSR`	`I wear my PvP gear and do like 5k DPS in lolroics.`
`23:57.12`	`DWSR`	`And have more health than the tank.`
`23:57.19`	`Gintaro`	`I reported it twice! Nothing!`
`23:57.21`	`DWSR`	`Sometimes I just turn on Frost Presence, just to fuck with them.`
`23:57.29`	`eidolarr`	`your penis must be so huge`
`23:57.30`	`DWSR`	`I'm like "Baddie tank can't hold aggro"`
`23:57.38`	`DWSR`	`eidolarr: More like "Bored troll is bored"`
`23:57.53`	`DWSR`	`/really/ bored.`
`23:58.07`	`Gintaro`	`DKs are OP anyway`
`23:58.13`	`Gintaro`	`And you have no lower tiers!`
`23:58.25`	`DWSR`	`Well, I could use T7-9, but meh.`
`23:58.30`	`DWSR`	`They're all so fucking hideous.`
`23:58.47`	`Gintaro`	`T1/2 for rogues is awesome`

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