| 00:00.42 | ArrowmasterClass | http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/#smallwindow |
| 00:00.49 | ArrowmasterClass | should be able to do the opposite of that |
| 00:00.54 | ArrowmasterClass | make the font bigger |
| 00:02.06 | Dagmar | Yes but that'll have one of the same side-effect as osk.exe. |
| 00:02.12 | Dagmar | "Bleeding from the eyes" |
| 00:02.31 | Dagmar | Motif widgets just can't be made non-ugly without major work |
| 00:03.40 | Dagmar | Another benefit of the javascript solution is that aside from it traveling with the app, I'm aiming to have it pop up when you push an exposed tab widget |
| 00:03.48 | ArrowmasterClass | as long as it can atleast antialias the fonts it should be fine |
| 00:04.35 | ArrowmasterClass | what about maybe an onscreen keyboard for the browser instead of putting it in the web app |
| 00:04.43 | Dagmar | Solving the jQuery issues will be much easier than the work I've gotta do to get the touchpad driver hacked together (some obscure piece of kit connected over the SERIAL PORT and made by "SMK") |
| 00:04.56 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I fail to see the difference |
| 00:05.13 | Dagmar | Making it happen is just a matter of adding a few extra bits to the page template |
| 00:05.56 | ArrowmasterClass | atleast you can run the browser in fullscreen if its in the browser |
| 00:06.18 | Dagmar | add jquery.js, keyboard.js and slidetab.js to the head, wrap normal content in div's, done (in theory) |
| 00:06.30 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: yeah exactly |
| 00:06.52 | Dagmar | I'm just not even going to bother with a window manager on the Slax install. It's just going to boot up, fire up X as a role user, and X will spawn the browser |
| 00:07.31 | ArrowmasterClass | can you still fullscreen it without a window manager? |
| 00:07.43 | Dagmar | Yeah, at least I've done it before |
| 00:08.38 | Dagmar | My only even minor concern is modal windows spawned by the browser might represent a problem, but I'll worry abot that when I come to it |
| 00:08.52 | Dagmar | Worst-case scenario would be jsut installing blackbox/fluxbox |
| 00:09.01 | ArrowmasterClass | openbox |
| 00:09.21 | Dagmar | Overkill. |
| 00:09.31 | Dagmar | It's literally just going to run one app--the browser |
| 00:09.35 | ArrowmasterClass | blackbox and fluxbox are kinda dead now |
| 00:09.50 | Dagmar | Blackbox has been "dead" for years, but it still works fine |
| 00:10.02 | ArrowmasterClass | oh use Awesome! |
| 00:10.14 | Dagmar | ? |
| 00:10.52 | ArrowmasterClass | http://awesome.naquadah.org/ |
| 00:10.54 | DWSR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awesome_(window_manager) |
| 00:11.06 | Dagmar | THe *only* thing I will be needing a WM for at all is the strange case where a modal window actually doesn't manage to stay in the front. |
| 00:11.21 | Dagmar | ...which brings you full stop in a hurry if you don't have a WM |
| 00:12.09 | Dagmar | At least it's got a celery 500 in it so I don't have to muck about with cross-compiling |
| 00:12.23 | DWSR | Celery? |
| 00:12.44 | Dagmar | Slang for "Celeron" |
| 00:12.48 | DWSR | Yeah, thought so. |
| 00:13.30 | Dagmar | Cold boot time will probably go way, way down once I've killed off all the stuff that Slax inherits from Slackware. |
| 00:13.47 | ArrowmasterClass | embedian |
| 00:13.51 | Dagmar | No sense in trying to look for raid controllers, fiberchannel interfaces, LVM filesystems or anything like that |
| 00:16.09 | Dagmar | Time to take mah life into my own hands on Nashville streets |
| 00:17.03 | DWSR | Dagmar |
| 00:17.04 | DWSR | btw. |
| 00:17.27 | DWSR | http://is.gd/bBiiO |
| 00:17.39 | DWSR | The GS scale goes up to 7k at least. |
| 00:21.03 | Gintaro | GS scale is messed up |
| 00:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | News flash. Peppy is a boy. |
| 00:21.18 | DWSR | Irrelevant. |
| 00:22.13 | Gintaro | Wooo! 2k GS! |
| 00:23.05 | alestane | When did this happen, Peppy? |
| 00:23.14 | Gintaro | I guess that's what I get when I wear bloodfang a chefs hat and dual wielding dark herrings |
| 00:23.35 | DWSR | rofl |
| 00:23.58 | Lopeppeppy | My mother gave me a sex change over the phone. Kept calling me my brother. <.< |
| 00:24.17 | Gintaro | I still loathe blizzard for not putting a glow on my herrings |
| 00:24.22 | Gintaro | I've reported it twice! |
| 00:25.25 | alestane | That seems like a fairly extreme confusion, dear. |
| 00:25.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, well, that's parental units for ya. |
| 00:26.01 | alestane | "Brian-Jennifer-Sheba-whichever one you are!" |
| 00:26.19 | Torhal | "I AM NOT A NUMBER!" |
| 00:26.21 | Torhal | Oh, wait... |
| 00:26.25 | alestane | Was supposedly my mother-in-law back in the day. |
| 00:26.34 | alestane | Particularly funny since Sheba was the dog. |
| 00:26.44 | Torhal | Yeowch |
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| 00:27.05 | alestane | Half black labrador, half beagle. |
| 00:27.13 | Torhal | o.O |
| 00:27.21 | alestane | I kid you not. |
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| 00:27.57 | Thunder_Child | alestane: which is the front half? |
| 00:27.59 | alestane | You'd think she was a Lab, except for the stripe of beagle fur down the middle of her back and the pure beagle bay that came out when she opened her mouth. |
| 00:28.15 | DWSR | Beagles are cute. |
| 00:28.22 | alestane | That and she loved to swim like a Lab, but she was dense like a beagle, which made it harder. |
| 00:32.14 | Shirik | lmao |
| 00:32.16 | Shirik | https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23223 |
| 00:32.28 | Shirik | Currently, due to Ãvar setting off Eyjafjallajökull, most of the people |
| 00:32.28 | Shirik | attending the 2010 Wikimedia conference in Berlin are stranded. |
| 00:32.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that sucks it. |
| 00:33.15 | Shirik | lmao |
| 00:33.18 | Shirik | here's the patch: http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=7301 |
| 00:33.23 | Shirik | "please install via time loop" |
| 00:34.15 | alestane | Sometimes there's nothing to do but laugh. |
| 00:34.33 | Shirik | Suitable workaround is: apt-get install boats |
| 00:38.37 | kd3 | lol |
| 00:39.41 | Shirik | OUCH |
| 00:39.56 | Shirik | Widening the scope of the bug. Iceland is no longer useful to the rest of humanity. Perhaps we should investigate ways to remove it from the planet. |
| 00:40.12 | cog|away | needs a better display |
| 00:41.31 | cogwheel | My bright, clear, 19" monitor can't actually display full 32-bit color, so it averages the values over time (hence flickers) |
| 00:41.54 | Shirik | have you considered not displaying 32 bit color? |
| 00:42.12 | cogwheel | My big, beautiful monitor has nearly 1/10 sec input lag |
| 00:42.17 | cogwheel | err... 24-bit |
| 00:42.27 | cogwheel | (you dumbass) |
| 00:42.29 | cogwheel | :P |
| 00:42.30 | Shirik | your monitor doesn't support 24-bit color? |
| 00:42.39 | cogwheel | not for each channel |
| 00:42.47 | cogwheel | 32-bpp |
| 00:43.55 | cogwheel | slaps shirik around with a large Fisker |
| 00:45.27 | kd3 | har at the "wikimedia remote office" in germany |
| 00:45.33 | kd3 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/brevity/4537231779/sizes/l/ |
| 00:46.20 | durcyn | that is one weird rug. |
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| 00:53.31 | alestane | sighs over the boredom of farming rugged leather. |
| 00:56.33 | Lopeppeppy | They photoshopped it, so why should not the rug be weird too? |
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| 00:59.51 | ZorbaTHut | I really want actual AoE rotations in this game |
| 01:00.15 | ZorbaTHut | blizzard keeps having trouble with the fact that AoE is fun but their AoE mechanics suck. they should really make their AoE mechanics not suck. |
| 01:00.21 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: spriest. Vampiric touch spam then mindsear swaps |
| 01:00.31 | WobWork | rinse and repeat |
| 01:01.55 | ZorbaTHut | compare that to any single-target dps rotation in the entire game |
| 01:02.48 | WobWork | VT, DP, MF, SW:P, MB, MF, MF, MB |
| 01:03.10 | WobWork | or something of the like, I probably have some mistimings there |
| 01:04.13 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: well, for there to be a proper aoe rotation... you need more than one aoe spell that's worth using =) |
| 01:04.49 | ZorbaTHut | wob, this is true. I do not see this as a contradiction of my basic point :) |
| 01:05.22 | alestane | Want are you hoping for, auto-target-centered AoE actions? |
| 01:05.31 | WobWork | SoC |
| 01:05.34 | alestane | What* |
| 01:05.44 | WobWork | MindSear |
| 01:05.49 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, I don't really have a solution in mind |
| 01:05.55 | ZorbaTHut | I'm just observing the problem. |
| 01:06.00 | alestane | Just that you don't like the way it is. |
| 01:06.04 | WobWork | HolyNova |
| 01:06.19 | ZorbaTHut | That said, there's no reason the basic mechanics involved in single-target rotations couldn't be applied to multitarget |
| 01:06.21 | WobWork | in fact all of warlock aoe except rain of fire is autocentred |
| 01:06.37 | alestane | Shadowfury. |
| 01:06.52 | ZorbaTHut | a lot of them work by placing and consuming buffs, or responding to opportunities, or long cooldowns |
| 01:06.59 | ZorbaTHut | in fact I think that's pretty much all of them |
| 01:07.07 | ZorbaTHut | I can't think of a reason you couldn't use those same mechanics in an AoE form |
| 01:07.27 | WobWork | so have the aoe build off other aoe |
| 01:07.36 | WobWork | eg, Shadowfury places a debuff |
| 01:07.42 | WobWork | that improves damage dealt by RoF |
| 01:07.45 | ZorbaTHut | wob, exactly |
| 01:08.26 | WobWork | you'd have to make the aoe advantages only apply for, say, 4-5 or more mobs |
| 01:08.32 | WobWork | or everyone will just aoe on -everything- |
| 01:08.48 | WobWork | (not that they don't already... hello hunters...) |
| 01:08.57 | ZorbaTHut | well, you balance it in the same way it's already balanced |
| 01:09.15 | ZorbaTHut | namely that the DPS-per-target is low enough that it's not worth using in single-target situations |
| 01:09.22 | Dagmar | Hey now, I don't AoE unless there's more than three targets. That's about the break-even point |
| 01:09.30 | WobWork | well, mindsear is balanced in that it's pretty pointless against 3 or less |
| 01:09.49 | ZorbaTHut | yeah. but that doesn't have anythign to do with spells building off each other |
| 01:09.53 | WobWork | You're probably better off dotting and mindflaying with three |
| 01:10.01 | ZorbaTHut | that's just a strict damage amount calculation |
| 01:10.14 | Dagmar | ...except when there's sloppy warlocks around. That kinda calls for Misdirect+Volley just in case |
| 01:10.33 | WobWork | damn warlocks spamming seed =P |
| 01:12.40 | Dagmar | Damn juries |
| 01:12.52 | ZorbaTHut | the tank and I are doing 70% of the damage here :( |
| 01:13.35 | Dagmar | I figured for sure the jury would be done already on the CHilds' case |
| 01:13.59 | Dagmar | I guess they're having problems reconciling the headlines saying "rogue admin" and what actually happened |
| 01:15.00 | Dagmar | As far as I know, none of the people who were asking him for the passwords to that network actually wore a security hat in the organization. |
| 01:15.07 | Dagmar | THat means they can take their request and stuff it. |
| 01:15.26 | Dagmar | Pompous management jackasses |
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| 01:18.21 | Torhal | Dagmar: "Management" <-- there, shorthand version. |
| 01:18.42 | Dagmar | Here's the problem... It's their _own rules_ that fscked them |
| 01:18.49 | Dagmar | THose rules are *their* problem, not his. |
| 01:19.01 | Dagmar | Just because someone's a manager does NOT automatically mean they should be given passwords |
| 01:19.29 | Dagmar | No one with with clearance for the passwords was asking for htem until the Mayor showed up |
| 01:30.04 | WobWork | http://www.everythingisterrible.com/2010/04/you-look-at-me-respond.html |
| 01:37.54 | Shirik | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 01:38.03 | Shirik | I was one shot away from my first ever "extermination" on halo :( |
| 01:38.08 | Shirik | then the game ended :( |
| 01:38.25 | Cide | that was the emergency? :P |
| 01:38.30 | Shirik | no |
| 01:38.36 | Shirik | it ended, didn't realize you were still here |
| 01:38.39 | Shirik | isn't it like 3 AM over there? |
| 01:38.42 | Cide | yep |
| 01:38.49 | Cide | what was the emergency anyway if I may ask |
| 01:38.52 | Cide | ? |
| 01:39.03 | Shirik | server attacks ftw |
| 01:39.08 | Cide | nice |
| 01:40.53 | Shirik | this bullshit |
| 01:40.53 | Shirik | omg |
| 01:40.56 | Shirik | I just watched the replay |
| 01:41.03 | Shirik | I ran out of ammo, then some sniper behind me picked up the last kill |
| 01:41.58 | ScytheBlade1 | sucker |
| 01:43.35 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: whats extermination again? |
| 01:44.00 | Shirik | kill all the opposing team before the first one respawns |
| 01:47.29 | Shirik | well Cide |
| 01:47.31 | Shirik | if you're not going to bed... |
| 01:47.34 | Shirik | I thought you were |
| 01:47.38 | Cide | we'll see |
| 01:47.45 | Cide | watching a commentary atm, almost done |
| 01:47.59 | Shirik | ok then I'm going to mcdonald's |
| 01:48.06 | Cide | oh ok |
| 01:50.06 | ZorbaTHut | oy, 57% of the damage in that boss fight :( |
| 01:51.04 | Dagmar | Ya might wanna explain the utility of the auction house to those people |
| 01:52.37 | WobWork | who uses the AH for gear? |
| 01:52.56 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes useful when leveling |
| 01:53.20 | WobWork | I dunno, quest items have much better overlap now |
| 01:53.23 | Dagmar | Highly useful when leveling |
| 01:54.00 | ZorbaTHut | thta said, pretty sure a cat with 42% melee is doing it wrong |
| 01:54.01 | WobWork | then again, pug levelling as dps is painful so I hardly ever do it |
| 01:54.09 | Dagmar | Most of my quest rewards wind up going to the vendor (after I level--I wouldn't want to hurt some NPCs feelings) |
| 01:54.22 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: better than a boomkin with 42% melee =) |
| 01:54.27 | Dagmar | ...although the stuff that looks decent goes through the AH as a money multiplier |
| 01:54.31 | ZorbaTHut | true :) |
| 01:54.43 | ZorbaTHut | the hunter's got 71% volley |
| 01:54.45 | Dagmar | ...and I just buy the crap that's better than what I'm wearing each level and move on |
| 01:54.45 | WobWork | Dagmar: quest items on the AH? what madness do you speak of? |
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| 01:54.51 | ZorbaTHut | on the other hand I've got 82% rain of fire, so |
| 01:55.06 | Dagmar | WobWOrk: Note I said the quest rwards go to the vendor |
| 01:55.18 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: Mr Pot, Mr Pot, you have a call from Mr Kettle |
| 01:55.24 | Dagmar | Those BoE greens tend to sell pretty well |
| 01:55.26 | WobWork | Something about... colour =) |
| 01:55.33 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I wasn't really mentioning that as being a problem ;) |
| 01:56.04 | WobWork | incidentally Z |
| 01:56.11 | WobWork | is your nick short for Zorba The Hutt? |
| 01:56.18 | ZorbaTHut | it is indeed |
| 01:56.23 | ZorbaTHut | from many, many years ago |
| 01:56.24 | WobWork | oh good |
| 01:56.56 | WobWork | So.. sort of a Grecian ... Hutt. |
| 02:01.03 | ZorbaTHut | it's actually Jabba the Hutt's father |
| 02:01.16 | ZorbaTHut | I picked it semi-randomly, intending to change it in a month or two. That was something upwards of a decade ago. |
| 02:01.25 | Dagmar | I always figured him for some kind of laboratory mistake |
| 02:01.35 | ZorbaTHut | It turns out he's kind of badass though, he basically dominates the entire Star Wars good guy cast in the book he's in. |
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| 02:15.22 | Dagmar | Yeah shit like that is why the one who is retiring worries me grealy |
| 02:15.27 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
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| 02:17.43 | Shirik | I agree with Dagmar |
| 02:23.53 | Cide- | me too |
| 02:24.10 | Dagmar | You snark now, but just wait until the Betamax decision is overturned. |
| 02:24.22 | Dagmar | Stuff will get messy and fast |
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| 02:42.01 | Mikk | Dagmar is my hero |
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| 03:04.18 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=110158811 |
| 03:06.47 | Shirik | I think this is going to haunt me for a week |
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| 03:08.06 | Arrowmaster | bungie needs to fix their login system |
| 03:16.48 | Shirik | I have now watched this video like 20 times |
| 03:16.56 | Shirik | I'm not sure what I could have done differently to pick up the kill :/ |
| 03:31.26 | DWSR | Does Demonic Teleport work on the Val'kyr in LK? |
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| 03:32.48 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401792351&sid=1 |
| 03:36.01 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Not sure if that link was broken, this shouldn't be: http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/RenderedVideos.aspx?player=Foxswift |
| 03:36.53 | Arrowmaster | link worked, just bungies login with live accounts is messed up, gives an unsecure warning every time |
| 03:37.42 | Shirik | wierd |
| 03:56.02 | Kraps | Requescat in pace |
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| 04:01.43 | Shirik | hi Kraps |
| 04:01.47 | Shirik | I will now continue playing Halo3 |
| 04:08.51 | Kraps | Shirik: why? |
| 04:09.02 | Shirik | ? |
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| 04:11.05 | Shirik | ohi Ackis |
| 04:15.46 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:15.56 | Shirik | I think I might be a massochist |
| 04:15.58 | kd3 | rofl; just killed lucifron... druid/lock loot |
| 04:16.01 | kd3 | nothing's changed in 5 years |
| 04:16.10 | Shirik | someone asked me to write a function to use recursion to compute a factorial |
| 04:16.15 | Shirik | and I chose lisp to write it |
| 04:26.11 | KarlKFI | mmm tetris1d up to 6223000 |
| 04:26.41 | KarlKFI | oops. accidently hit the highschore |
| 04:27.13 | KarlKFI | well i made it to 10th place |
| 04:29.39 | Shirik | lolfail |
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| 04:39.15 | kd3 | whee, exalted hydraxian waterlords |
| 04:40.24 | Corrodias | but you are not exalted with my ass |
| 04:40.29 | Corrodias | until then, you have achieved nothing. |
| 04:40.44 | kd3 | man oh man... azuresong mageblade, crimson shocker, and about 6 pieces of warlock t1 |
| 04:40.52 | kd3 | sounds like a typical mc run |
| 04:40.59 | kd3 | a left binding! |
| 04:41.40 | Corrodias | ha haaa, shocker. |
| 04:42.04 | kd3 | ooh. I know too many warriors who just popped a vein seeing that |
| 04:42.08 | kd3 | fires off some more tells |
| 04:42.45 | Mr_Rabies | i cleared to luci solo at 70 once pre-bear-nerf |
| 04:43.05 | Mr_Rabies | that was enjoyable |
| 04:43.47 | Mr_Rabies | also i've been exalted for about 5 years :smug: |
| 04:44.06 | Mr_Rabies | still have some water or whatever for dousing the flames at each boss |
| 05:17.38 | Fisker | you kd3 |
| 05:17.39 | Fisker | you. |
| 05:26.39 | Shirik | lua> math.random(7), math.random(20) |
| 05:26.40 | lua_bot | Shirik: 6, 6 |
| 05:26.53 | Shirik | lua> math.random(10) |
| 05:26.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: 6 |
| 05:26.54 | Shirik | omfg |
| 05:27.00 | Shirik | 666 |
| 05:27.08 | Shirik | lua> string.dump(math.random) |
| 05:27.08 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unable to dump given function |
| 05:27.15 | Shirik | lua> math.random(10000000000) |
| 05:27.15 | lua_bot | Shirik: 363338356 |
| 05:27.20 | Shirik | wow it really did say 666 |
| 05:27.22 | Shirik | wtf |
| 05:27.32 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 05:27.36 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 05:27.39 | Shirik | shouldn't you be asleep? |
| 05:27.44 | Fisker | no |
| 05:27.46 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 05:27.48 | Shirik | check this out |
| 05:27.58 | Shirik | http://www.bungie.net/Online/Halo3UserContentDetails.aspx?h3fileid=110158811 |
| 05:27.58 | Fisker | shouldn't you+ |
| 05:27.58 | Fisker | ? |
| 05:28.02 | Shirik | the end is all fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 05:28.02 | Fisker | no |
| 05:29.30 | Shirik | fuuuuuuuuuu |
| 05:29.32 | Shirik | also |
| 05:29.33 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:29.36 | Shirik | I will go to sleep now |
| 05:32.44 | Fisker | why do you play halo? |
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| 06:04.29 | Fisker | nastyfarts on kd3 |
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| 06:06.45 | zenzio | "In what promises to be one of the quickest threads to become Godwin'ed, YouTube has pulled scores of parodies of the 'Hitler Finds Out' scene from the movie The Downfall. Ironically, I had never heard of this movie before this â and now I want to watch it." |
| 06:09.04 | zenzio | someone should make a "Hitler finds out YouTube erased his videos" video and post it on YouTube |
| 06:11.37 | Dagmar | You say this, but have you Googled it yet? |
| 06:12.17 | zenzio | of course not, I'm still opening interesting stuff in tabs from all my news sites |
| 06:12.20 | zenzio | reading comes later |
| 06:12.22 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 06:12.27 | Shirik | I cannot tolerate further nastyfarts |
| 06:12.36 | Shirik | please do not persist |
| 06:12.56 | Shirik | also, the question is not why I play halo, but rather why you do not |
| 06:13.09 | Dagmar | zenzio: It's not up yet, but I'm sure SOMEONE will make it |
| 06:13.22 | zenzio | Shirik: that's obvious, Fisker's too mean to have a Halo |
| 06:13.27 | zenzio | Dagmar: hehe, yeah |
| 06:13.29 | Shirik | good point |
| 06:13.57 | zenzio | I don't care how common they are, I still get amused by those Downfall parodies (not all of them by and means, lots of crappy ones) |
| 06:13.59 | Dagmar | That's not a meme you can stomp quite that way |
| 06:14.08 | Dagmar | They're about to find out |
| 06:14.25 | Iriel | The Cloud security one by Marcus Ranum was awesome |
| 06:14.26 | zenzio | the company owning the copyrights on the movie tried it before, IIRC |
| 06:15.04 | zenzio | hm, I liked the paladin nerf (again) one |
| 06:19.24 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:19.27 | Fisker | go to sleep |
| 06:19.29 | Fisker | or i nastyfart u |
| 06:19.41 | Shirik | unacceptable |
| 06:21.55 | Fisker | no! |
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| 06:22.10 | Shirik | exactly |
| 06:23.32 | Fisker | i blow you up Shirik |
| 06:23.39 | Shirik | nope |
| 06:33.12 | Fisker | throws Shirik in a trashcan |
| 06:34.54 | Alleidun | Can someone tell which exact events are fired on a reloadui call ? |
| 06:35.58 | cog|away | http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOn_loading_process |
| 06:36.33 | Alleidun | I love you man :P |
| 06:36.42 | cog|away | you're not getting my bud light |
| 06:36.46 | cog|away | (not that i drink bud light) |
| 06:36.50 | Alleidun | haha :P |
| 06:37.20 | cog|away | !g 1554 |
| 06:37.21 | batbot | cog|away: 1554 | New Belgium <http://www.newbelgium.com/beer/1554> |
| 06:37.23 | cog|away | imo |
| 06:37.56 | Alleidun | that looks like it has to get dug out of the bottle somehow :S |
| 06:38.12 | Fisker | cog|away |
| 06:38.14 | cog|away | =D |
| 06:38.16 | Fisker | what about you cog|away ? |
| 06:38.23 | cog|away | D= |
| 06:38.42 | cog|away | slaps fisker around with a red herring |
| 06:39.04 | Alleidun | all these events do they also fire when zoning cog|away? |
| 06:39.14 | cog|away | no |
| 06:39.28 | Fisker | slaps cog|away around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:39.29 | cog|away | i think PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLDdoes |
| 06:39.51 | Alleidun | hmm my code seem to break now and then when reloading my ui :S |
| 06:39.53 | cog|away | variables_loaded and such shouldn't |
| 06:40.37 | Alleidun | hmm allrighty |
| 06:42.16 | Alleidun | oh another question. if I have an array / table build up like this variable['goodbeer'] = {} , variable['badbeer'] = {} , variable ['cogsbeer'] = {} .. is it possible to sort variable based on some of the variables inside it ? |
| 06:42.30 | cog|away | XD |
| 06:43.07 | Alleidun | or will it always just list by alphabetical when doing a for loop on it ? |
| 06:43.10 | Arrowmaster | you can only sort arrays |
| 06:43.30 | cog|away | yeah, string keys have no order |
| 06:44.00 | cog|away | you can make an array of tables, and have the name 'badbeer' 'cogsbeer' as values of those tables |
| 06:44.14 | Alleidun | so I will have create an extra array that looks like this variable[1] = { name='goodbeer', value=50 } , and so on ? |
| 06:44.19 | Alleidun | have to* |
| 06:44.42 | WobWork | cog|away: apparently you have very nondescriptive beer |
| 06:44.51 | cog|away | e.g. beers = { { name="badbeer"; subvariables = {} } , { name = "goodbeer"; subvariables={}} |
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| 06:44.57 | cog|away | so yeah, i just type slower :P |
| 06:45.09 | Fisker | imma blow you up cog|away |
| 06:45.18 | WobWork | s/up// |
| 06:45.19 | cog|away | ~whaleshield Fisker |
| 06:45.23 | Alleidun | wicked cog|away, thx |
| 06:46.06 | cog|away | np :) |
| 06:47.29 | Fisker | why will i blow you up cog|away ? |
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| 06:51.22 | cog|away | 'cause your mom's still mad i pretended i wasn't her blind date? |
| 06:54.46 | zenzio | okay, I'm late to the party I'm sure, but I didn't see this Downfall parody before: http://www.vimeo.com/11086952 (by some EFF dude) |
| 06:54.48 | cog|away | farts in Fisker's general direction, that silly danish kniggit. |
| 06:55.07 | Dagmar | Don't expect your ChatRoulette experience to go this well: http://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129157431371470382.jpg |
| 06:56.17 | zenzio | nice hat you got there Dagmar |
| 06:56.23 | Dagmar | NOOB |
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| 06:56.32 | Dagmar | You don't recognize that costume? |
| 06:56.35 | haste | it's clearly Dagmar in that picture |
| 06:56.37 | zenzio | should I? |
| 06:56.41 | Dagmar | That's _Carmen Sandiego_ |
| 06:56.47 | zenzio | who? |
| 06:56.51 | haste | who? |
| 06:56.52 | Dagmar | There used to be JILLIONS of games based on her |
| 06:56.55 | cog|away | as in where in the world is? |
| 06:57.01 | Dagmar | "Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?" |
| 06:57.06 | Dagmar | cog: Yes. |
| 06:57.09 | Dagmar | ~cog++ |
| 06:57.23 | Dagmar | ...and newsflash, I AM A GUY. |
| 06:57.23 | cog|away | there was even a tv show with the maxwell house commercial a capella group |
| 06:57.31 | Fisker | you an it Dagmar |
| 06:57.42 | Dagmar | Way to fail on your computer gaming history guys |
| 06:58.02 | zenzio | when was this? Pre-1995? |
| 06:58.13 | Dagmar | yes. Probably before you were born or something |
| 06:58.21 | cog|away | "When I was your age, we had to blow on video games to get them to work" |
| 06:58.25 | Dagmar | lol |
| 06:58.30 | Sixen | Rofl. |
| 06:58.52 | Shirik | omfg |
| 06:58.55 | Shirik | how do you guys not know this |
| 06:58.55 | zenzio | that depends; I'm a 1984-model. But I only had Commodore 128/Amiga 600 until in late 1995; only then did I get a computer |
| 06:59.00 | Shirik | _I_ know who carmen sandiego is |
| 06:59.07 | Shirik | I loved "Where in space is Carmen Sandiego" |
| 06:59.18 | cog|away | yeah, i was using dos/3.1 up to ~1998 |
| 06:59.18 | zenzio | sounds like an American phenomenon |
| 06:59.19 | Shirik | honestly, it probably is what piqued my interest in aerospace |
| 06:59.21 | Dagmar | ...and we DID actually have to blow on them. |
| 06:59.22 | haste | sorry, but we didn't have those games in norway Dagmar ! |
| 06:59.23 | Dagmar | \He's not joking about that |
| 06:59.31 | zenzio | what haste said |
| 06:59.46 | Shirik | (02:58:13) (cog|away) "When I was your age, we had to blow on video games to get them to work" |
| 06:59.49 | Shirik | sadly, I can say that :( |
| 06:59.50 | Dagmar | That's funny because I'm pretty sure there was a "Where in Europe is Carmen Sandiego?" |
| 06:59.51 | Shirik | feels old now |
| 07:00.03 | Dagmar | They were edutainment fare |
| 07:00.05 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure the original was "Where in the world is..." |
| 07:00.07 | cog|away | it's a facebook group >< |
| 07:00.11 | haste | Dagmar: that doesn't mean it was released here |
| 07:00.22 | zenzio | Dagmar: that's irrelevant. We could make an "Where in the US is the idiot" game in Norway and they wouldn't know about it |
| 07:00.27 | Dagmar | You had a commodore |
| 07:00.39 | Dagmar | If I could get scene demos from Normay I'm pretty sure you had access to warez. ;) |
| 07:00.53 | Shirik | yup |
| 07:00.54 | Shirik | Where in Europe is Carmen Sandiego? (1988) |
| 07:01.21 | zenzio | you assume too much about your crappy shows/games |
| 07:01.24 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 07:01.27 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 07:01.35 | Shirik | oh I forgot |
| 07:01.36 | Dagmar | They were actually about as good as it got then |
| 07:01.38 | haste | I agree with zenzio and Fisker |
| 07:01.39 | Shirik | there was a TV show |
| 07:01.41 | Shirik | a game show |
| 07:01.59 | Dagmar | The cartoon *still airs* |
| 07:02.03 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_in_the_World_Is_Carmen_Sandiego%3F_(game_show) |
| 07:02.16 | Shirik | I used to watch that all the time |
| 07:02.21 | Shirik | public TV ftw |
| 07:02.23 | Dagmar | You guys know what a grue is, rightr? |
| 07:02.52 | zenzio | well, if that game was supposed to teach Americans about geography... it appears to have generally failed |
| 07:02.59 | cog|away | some bad thing from some book or something? |
| 07:03.10 | Shirik | Dagmar: Something you get eaten by |
| 07:03.35 | Shirik | well not so much do get eaten by, but are very likely to be eaten by |
| 07:04.05 | Fisker | i think i know you Shirik |
| 07:04.15 | Shirik | do you know a Mr. Del Buono? |
| 07:04.36 | cog|away | Fisker: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Din-mor/35900770739?v=wall&viewas=0 |
| 07:04.50 | Dagmar | I'll admit I've no idea who he is |
| 07:04.57 | Shirik | who? |
| 07:05.27 | cog|away | he's on first |
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| 07:06.51 | Shirik | omg |
| 07:06.53 | Shirik | memories |
| 07:06.54 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuzc4jgwlT8 |
| 07:06.57 | cog|away | good night, and din mor |
| 07:07.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:07.02 | Shirik | yesssssssssss |
| 07:07.05 | Shirik | cog|sleep |
| 07:07.06 | Shirik | first watch that |
| 07:07.21 | Shirik | theme song of the game show |
| 07:08.09 | Fisker | i could kill you Shirik |
| 07:08.16 | Shirik | nope |
| 07:08.43 | Fisker | i could |
| 07:09.37 | cog|sleep | oh it was folgers not maxwell house |
| 07:10.13 | Sixen | night cog |
| 07:10.14 | Sixen | :) |
| 07:10.16 | cog|sleep | nn |
| 07:17.26 | Shirik | aha! |
| 07:17.26 | Shirik | one of the episodes |
| 07:17.27 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG7UbCOYwS0 |
| 07:17.37 | haste | sooooo |
| 07:17.42 | haste | I have chrome on my eee pc |
| 07:17.51 | Alleidun | din mor ? |
| 07:18.06 | haste | and I google, and the resault page is in norwegian, with english links |
| 07:18.29 | haste | and the toolbar pops up: This page is in Welsh. Would you like to translate it? |
| 07:18.32 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 07:18.54 | haste | *clicks translate* |
| 07:19.13 | haste | aaw, The translation failed because of a server error |
| 07:19.34 | Fisker | you failed because of a server error |
| 07:19.37 | haste | anyone know of common software used at radio stations? |
| 07:20.23 | Alleidun | which software are you thinking of haste? |
| 07:20.23 | Fisker | you know what is funny haste ? |
| 07:20.26 | Fisker | Someone asked if Starcraft 2 (i.e. the game) was included in the Collectors Edition of Starcraft 2 |
| 07:20.41 | Fisker | all new from Activision Blizzard, Collector Edition's without the game! |
| 07:20.59 | Fisker | Pay extra just to get all the damn bonus levels, then buy the game seperately! |
| 07:21.19 | haste | Alleidun: It's something on D which acts as the playlist generator and probably a fuckton other stuff ;p |
| 07:21.23 | Fisker | hope bobby kotick doesn't use irc :o |
| 07:21.59 | Alleidun | I can ask around haste , but I'm not sure it's the same at all the radio stations :P |
| 07:22.37 | haste | Alleidun: it's used at least three places here |
| 07:24.02 | haste | Alleidun: actually, think I figured it out |
| 07:24.19 | Alleidun | and where are you :P |
| 07:25.38 | haste | not at a radio station :D |
| 07:26.41 | Alleidun | :P |
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| 07:30.12 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 07:30.14 | Shirik | linkmeh |
| 07:30.20 | Shirik | (03:20:18) (Fisker) Someone asked if Starcraft 2 (i.e. the game) was included in the Collectors Edition of Starcraft 2 |
| 07:30.23 | Shirik | ss or it didn't happen |
| 07:37.53 | Fisker | you can't read danish! |
| 07:38.01 | haste | but I can! |
| 07:38.10 | Fisker | nahuh haste |
| 07:38.36 | Fisker | grrr |
| 07:38.43 | Fisker | stupid cat being able to open my door |
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| 07:39.42 | haste | much more fun when your on the toilet and the cat is trying to open the locked door |
| 07:41.34 | Fisker | anyway haste www.coolshop.dk/catalog/product/62324-starcraft-ii-2--wings-of-liberty-collectors-edition--for-pc |
| 07:42.27 | haste | haha |
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| 08:02.01 | Arrowmaster | http://xkcd.com/730/ |
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| 08:02.09 | Arrowmaster | wouldnt it be 2 ohm? |
| 08:02.24 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: ^^ |
| 08:04.07 | Arrowmaster | rolf theres a thunderdome joke hidden in there |
| 08:04.15 | Arrowmaster | fucking epic |
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| 08:34.36 | Taroven | Whoever's approving addons right now: Sorry bout the triple-post, all sorts of messed up things with my packaging routine. |
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| 08:59.23 | Fisker | don't worry, we fuck you up too! |
| 08:59.24 | Fisker | :3 |
| 08:59.42 | Taroven | =< |
| 09:00.27 | Cairenn | Taroven: point of interest, you might want to specify which site's staff you are apologizing too, since there are staff from at least 3, somethings 4, sites in here |
| 09:00.39 | Cairenn | s/somethings/sometimes/ |
| 09:01.22 | Arrowmaster | 4 sites? are there even 4 sites? |
| 09:01.22 | Taroven | Good point Cairenn. It was wowi, had some .bat glitches. ^_^ |
| 09:02.06 | Cairenn | wowi, curse, curseforge, ace, incgamers, then all the independent sites, plus the ones we just don't talk about |
| 09:02.35 | Taroven | Speak no evil? |
| 09:03.01 | Cairenn | Taroven: something like that :) |
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| 09:03.35 | Cairenn | actually, that should have read - sites that we just don't recognize as being legit |
| 09:04.01 | Cairenn | we certainly do talk about them, since we all warn each other about them ripping off people's work |
| 09:04.03 | Taroven | ohai Site-With-Name-Based-On-A-Certain-Movie-Trilogy... |
| 09:04.43 | Kalroth | wowlordoftherings?! |
| 09:04.48 | Taroven | Is wowmatrix still being as evil as it used to be? |
| 09:04.53 | Cairenn | yes |
| 09:05.01 | Taroven | Naw, I woulda said books then, Kal. =P |
| 09:05.16 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure there are Matrix books too :P |
| 09:05.19 | Cairenn | what site, Taroven? |
| 09:05.26 | Cairenn | oh, duh |
| 09:05.27 | Cairenn | nm |
| 09:05.29 | Taroven | Guh. Suppose I should peek at their list to make sure my stuff isn't on there. |
| 09:05.34 | Cairenn | goes back to sleep |
| 09:05.41 | Kalroth | nn Cairenn! |
| 09:05.48 | Cairenn | not for real |
| 09:05.53 | Kalroth | Oh |
| 09:05.59 | Taroven | Kalroth: Sure, but personal deference is a bitch. |
| 09:06.00 | Cairenn | just mocking my brain-dead-edness |
| 09:06.25 | olafski | wowmatrix still exists? |
| 09:06.27 | Kalroth | It's okay, Fisker can be infectious |
| 09:06.37 | Cairenn | yes, unfortunately |
| 09:06.56 | Cairenn | (and you guys can guess which that statement was in response to ;) ) |
| 09:07.00 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:07.27 | Taroven | XD |
| 09:08.35 | Arrowmaster | wont this stupidity ever end http://kotaku.com/5520973/years-later-argentina-bans-rape-video-game |
| 09:09.21 | Kalroth | It's good publicity for the game! |
| 09:09.46 | Taroven | Streisand(sp) Effect, GOGO! |
| 09:09.46 | batbot | Taroven, Streisand is correct. |
| 09:10.03 | Taroven | Good to see that 30 hours awake doesn't hinder my spelling skillz. |
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| 09:50.25 | mikma | http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1804010 |
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| 10:24.31 | Maldivia | mikma: it seems to be missing the horny drunk |
| 10:25.03 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 10:26.30 | Maldivia | Cairenn: isn't it getting a bit early? |
| 10:26.37 | Cairenn | working on it, yup |
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| 10:30.08 | Maldivia | that's the funny thing about time, you actually don't need to work on it, it does all the work :) |
| 10:31.07 | Cairenn | heh |
| 10:37.16 | Fisker | hmm |
| 10:37.24 | Fisker | i wonder if blues have a rotation of db sites |
| 10:37.47 | Fisker | kinda useless since the main ones are owned by the same site and the competitor has basically stopped caring |
| 10:38.12 | Cairenn | ? |
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| 10:39.08 | olafski | yay I have a new friend on xbox live <3 |
| 10:39.13 | Fisker | old |
| 10:39.41 | Fisker | Cairenn it looks like a blue is switching between database sites for items :P |
| 10:39.51 | Fisker | a few days ago he linked wowdb, today he's linking wowhead |
| 10:39.51 | Cairenn | okay ... |
| 10:40.00 | olafski | # of people in the world who care about this: 1 |
| 10:40.23 | Kalroth | You should, it's a conspiracy |
| 10:40.37 | Kalroth | The blues got a hidden forum where they discuss which item site to link to |
| 10:40.47 | olafski | that doesn't make it something to care about :( |
| 10:40.59 | Kalroth | But it's a conspiracy!! |
| 10:41.17 | Fisker | who said it was something to care about olafski ? |
| 10:41.28 | zenzio | maybe they just go to Google and search for the item; then use the first result? |
| 10:41.30 | Kalroth | <Fisker> i wonder |
| 10:42.06 | olafski | the fact that you even bothered to make the observation fisker |
| 10:42.11 | Maldivia | afaik, both wowhead and wowdb are official fan sites, so can't see the problem - and even if they weren't, so what, it's what their customers use, so why shouldn't they |
| 10:42.14 | Fisker | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/care |
| 10:42.27 | Fisker | flawed argument olafski |
| 10:42.31 | olafski | I care not for your definition |
| 10:42.40 | olafski | nobody else noticed, you clearly need something better to do |
| 10:43.00 | Fisker | i'm sure someone noticed |
| 10:43.08 | olafski | one of those definitions also works for what I said anyway :P |
| 10:44.53 | Kalroth | Close attention; concern; responsibility |
| 10:44.53 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.16 | olafski | yes, have to make sure you drop him on the right side |
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| 10:45.59 | Fisker | i don't see how remembering things can be called "close attention" |
| 10:46.17 | olafski | closer than most people it would seem |
| 10:46.24 | Kalroth | invites Fisker to his new internet show: Does It Bounce? |
| 10:46.32 | olafski | if I see an item link I click it and look at the item, not the site it's hosted on :P |
| 10:46.36 | Kalroth | First we drop him from 10 feet! |
| 10:47.13 | Fisker | oh but you do olafski |
| 10:48.07 | Taroven | I just found an installer with a prominent "skip" button on its integrity check. When clicking said button for S&G's, it paused the integrity check and brought up a little window saying "Are you sure?" with the 'no' highlighted. I'm not sure what to think... |
| 10:49.12 | Kalroth | Taroven: Your integrity is in danger, do NOT press no!! |
| 10:49.39 | olafski | I don't really see the problem +( |
| 10:50.00 | olafski | clearly they think it's better to run the integrity check, but if you're sure it's correct already you can cancel it =( |
| 10:50.41 | Kalroth | olafski: What's with the logic? Stop it! |
| 10:50.52 | Taroven | If I'm sure it's correct already I would just let it run... the check took about two seconds. |
| 10:50.53 | olafski | :( |
| 10:51.48 | Taroven | Blargh, I should sleep. /zonk |
| 10:51.52 | Fisker | olafski |
| 10:51.55 | olafski | no |
| 10:52.02 | Fisker | where's "The amount of people who care: 1" comment this time? |
| 10:52.26 | olafski | still in the same place.. about 25 lines up |
| 10:52.27 | Kalroth | There is no such line, since we care, Fisker |
| 10:52.45 | Fisker | oh but you don't |
| 10:52.59 | industrial | Fisker: I do not care about your statements, opinions and facts. That's one so far. |
| 10:55.53 | Kalroth | aww |
| 10:56.01 | Kalroth | Such an harsh environment |
| 10:56.12 | Kalroth | I care about all of you guys, lets hug |
| 10:56.28 | olafski | let's not |
| 10:56.30 | olafski | fisker has cooties |
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| 11:39.46 | Ycarene | Question, When healing, if you heal your tank with a spell that heals, say 15,000, but they only needed 10,000, does the 5,000 hitpoint overheal generate any threat? |
| 11:40.01 | haste | it doesn't |
| 11:41.20 | Ycarene | I've been an advocate in AVOIDING crit on healers because it makes threat harder to manage, and healing harder to predict. |
| 11:41.42 | foxlit | Advocates will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes, you know. |
| 11:42.37 | foxlit | Ultimately, if healers care about threat, someone is doing something horribly wrong |
| 11:43.07 | Maldivia | healer threat is only an issue when adds spawn mid fight, and tanks are slow to pick them up |
| 11:43.39 | foxlit | As for predicting healing, some element of randomness is healthy for gameplay. |
| 11:43.51 | Kalroth | Threat from healing is a non-issue, we got taunt from tanks and misdirect from hunters and rogues. |
| 11:44.10 | foxlit | It's the same coin as randomly-targetted damaging abilities, partial resists, etc. |
| 11:44.47 | Kalroth | And I thought healers could reach a high crit level today, which would make crit heals worth more |
| 11:45.05 | Kalroth | well more reliable, not so much worth more |
| 11:45.12 | foxlit | Kind of wish Living Seed would stack and bloom if it ever expired. |
| 11:46.31 | Maldivia | or what about the recent EQ2 style hots? If a hot a hot ticks, but doesn't heal anything, it rolls over to next tick instead |
| 11:47.04 | olafski | that seems imba |
| 11:48.12 | Maldivia | well, not really in eq2, considering hots are the last healing type to kick in |
| 11:48.26 | foxlit | Thing is, cover-everything-in-hots gameplay isn't particularly fun |
| 11:48.42 | Kalroth | I agree, boot resto druids |
| 11:48.46 | Maldivia | and disc cover-everything-in-shield is better? |
| 11:49.01 | Kalroth | I agree, boot disc priests |
| 11:49.03 | foxlit | disc cover-everything-in-shield is outright ridonkulous. |
| 11:49.13 | foxlit | Especially on that one fight. |
| 11:49.44 | Kalroth | I want vanilla back, holy priest or gtfo |
| 11:49.58 | Maldivia | including healer rotations? |
| 11:50.20 | Kalroth | the strain on mana was fun! |
| 11:50.40 | Kalroth | first Twin Emperor kill where our healers were totally oom |
| 11:50.54 | Kalroth | (and they had to move out of Blizzard too :) |
| 11:51.50 | haste | and totems breaking the threat reset mechanism |
| 11:53.27 | foxlit | Clearly what the game needs is more pre-Twin Emperors-trash on a 15-minute respawn. |
| 11:53.55 | Kalroth | :D |
| 11:54.04 | Kalroth | SSC trash 2.0 was better |
| 11:54.28 | foxlit | Lies, BC shipped with no raiding content. |
| 11:54.33 | Maldivia | supressions room + broodlord! |
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| 12:22.54 | zenzio | Cairenn: http://upnextinsports.com/2010/03/30/funny-sports-pictures-so-a-guy-walks-into-a-bar/ |
| 12:23.27 | Cairenn | shouldn't laugh, that probably hurt like hell, but rofl |
| 12:24.44 | krka | you're lowering the bar for jokes :/ |
| 12:24.50 | zenzio | lol |
| 12:24.56 | Cairenn | pokes krka |
| 12:25.29 | krka | i am bar none the punniest person here at the moment :P |
| 12:26.18 | Kalroth | the pressure is too much, it is at least 1 bar |
| 12:29.55 | zenzio | :-p |
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| 12:55.49 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hqfWAJ2wJI&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:56.32 | olafski | LOL |
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| 12:59.16 | Fisker | i hate you Wobin |
| 12:59.24 | Fisker | also old |
| 13:00.36 | Wobin | You're old Fisker |
| 13:00.43 | Wobin | you've not been fresh and new for ages =( |
| 13:00.50 | olafski | really? he seems quite young to me |
| 13:00.52 | Wobin | it's kinda terrible how you've let yourself go |
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| 13:01.20 | zenzio | it's true |
| 13:01.41 | zenzio | http://comixed.com/2010/02/10/english/ |
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| 13:20.32 | batrick | Has gmail been pretty slow for anyone else lately? |
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| 13:36.40 | Adys | http://googlepolicyeurope.blogspot.com/2010/04/greater-transparency-around-government.html |
| 13:36.43 | Adys | official announcement |
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| 13:46.18 | Fisker | Sweden |
| 13:46.18 | Fisker | Less than 10 removal requests |
| 13:46.18 | Fisker | 0% of removal requests fully or partially complied with. |
| 13:46.24 | Fisker | i have an idea about what that might have been |
| 13:46.25 | Fisker | lololol |
| 13:47.09 | Fisker | Chinese officials consider censorship demands as state secrets, so we cannot disclose that information at this time. |
| 13:47.10 | Fisker | lol |
| 13:47.55 | Fisker | i wonder why germany have requested 70 youtubes deleted |
| 13:47.56 | Fisker | O_o |
| 13:48.09 | batrick | the recent hitler takedown maybe? |
| 13:48.31 | batrick | china is a big red question mark nice |
| 13:48.35 | batrick | (Over 9000!) |
| 13:49.07 | Fisker | i wish they disclosed all info though |
| 13:49.29 | batrick | the number would probably overflow into Europe if they displayed it |
| 13:52.45 | Fisker | haha what |
| 13:52.51 | Fisker | 2 AdWords (court order) |
| 13:52.51 | Fisker | 1 AdWords |
| 13:54.34 | Kaso | UK's request:removal ratio is pretty amusing |
| 13:54.37 | Gnarfoz | Fisker, admit it, you're behind this http://www.funny-potato.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/lolcano.gif |
| 13:55.51 | Fisker | i wish |
| 13:56.12 | Fisker | why Kaso ? |
| 13:56.33 | Kaso | over a thousand requests, 50 of which were removed |
| 13:56.52 | Fisker | no |
| 13:57.05 | Fisker | read again :) |
| 13:57.08 | Kaso | oh wait |
| 13:57.10 | Kaso | fail ;( |
| 13:59.54 | Kaso | damn |
| 14:05.30 | Wobin | I can see why people get irritated by Nigella Lawson |
| 14:05.42 | Kalroth | mute the TV |
| 14:05.45 | Wobin | it's the only cooking show, where it spends 80% of the time with a face closeup =P |
| 14:05.50 | Fisker | man Blizzard change their mind a lot |
| 14:06.03 | Kalroth | Wobin: Yeah, it needs to tilt down a bit |
| 14:06.12 | Wobin | Eh, I don't mind |
| 14:06.15 | Wobin | I like her accent |
| 14:06.19 | Wobin | and she can cook =) |
| 14:06.41 | Fisker | sauce |
| 14:08.51 | Fisker | wtf |
| 14:08.53 | Fisker | she's 50? |
| 14:09.10 | Fisker | must be a bug |
| 14:09.41 | Wobin | she really does 50 -really- well =) |
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| 14:21.38 | Gintaro | It's nice that they disclose the information, but without knowing _what_ was requested it's useless |
| 14:31.52 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/bshit/sieppaaheraasuomi.jpg |
| 14:32.51 | olafski | I don't get it =( |
| 14:34.13 | Kaso | europe has been a no fly zone due to iceland's volcano |
| 14:34.29 | Kaso | it has just re-opened so there are alot of planes going everywhere |
| 14:34.45 | Fisker | are they to scale? |
| 14:35.06 | olafski | ah I thought that was it but that didn't seem funny enough kaso :P |
| 14:35.20 | olafski | yes fisker the planes are much bigger now because all those passengers have been waiting for a week |
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| 14:38.04 | ZorbaTHut | what is it with all the warlocks complaining about being OOM today |
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| 14:39.58 | olafski | latest hotfix removed life tap, didn't you get the memo? |
| 14:40.18 | Fisker | olafski :( |
| 14:40.22 | Fisker | ackis is mean to me |
| 14:40.51 | Fisker | i discovered something with the xbox that was like "Whoa" (from the matrix) and he's like totally silent :( |
| 14:41.14 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, one of them was *while I was on my warlock* |
| 14:41.15 | olafski | he's probably like "old" |
| 14:41.24 | olafski | zorbathut: dang +( |
| 14:42.31 | Fisker | naw not even that olafski |
| 14:42.38 | Fisker | because i didn't tell him yet |
| 14:42.40 | ZorbaTHut | he's all "oom" and I'm all "wtf" |
| 14:42.40 | Fisker | because he's a jerk |
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| 14:43.27 | Gnarfoz | mikma: the actual site still looks like that, basically. totally crazy ^^ |
| 14:44.37 | mikma | gnarfoz: yeah :D |
| 14:44.43 | mikma | go iceland |
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| 15:02.36 | foxlit | People posting "zomg, beware of scam" threads are odd |
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| 15:14.56 | foxlit | "According to a leaked roadmap, next year we'll be saying hello to LGA1155. The socket is 1-pin different from the current LGA1156 socket Core i3, i5, and some i7s use. " |
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| 15:19.43 | mikma | The Passing, Coming April 22 |
| 15:22.44 | zenzelezz | foxlit: I'm surprised they still call it "pin", the CPUs look so flat |
| 15:22.58 | zenzelezz | no more "oops, I bent one... anyone have a flat screwdriver?" |
| 15:23.04 | foxlit | Sockets have pins, though :) |
| 15:23.18 | zenzelezz | they swapped it around? |
| 15:23.30 | foxlit | Yes, a while ago. |
| 15:24.47 | zenzelezz | that would explain it. I never took the time to figure out how that worked anymore |
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| 15:25.38 | harl | wuff |
| 15:28.33 | Kaso | Theyre called "Land grid arrays" |
| 15:28.43 | Kaso | (the new cpu/socket design that is) |
| 15:30.43 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 15:31.37 | Kaso | which is what the LGA in LGA1156 stands for |
| 15:31.39 | Kaso | of course |
| 15:33.06 | Gnarfoz | the "pins" are basically little springs, though |
| 15:33.37 | Gintaro | BGA > LGA! |
| 15:34.10 | cog|sleep | "You wrote 'See attached' in your message, but there are no files attached..." <3 gmail |
| 15:34.18 | olafski | nifty! |
| 15:38.11 | Kaso | that is a very nice feature |
| 15:38.57 | Kaso | there are scripts that replicate it for proper email clients that allow scripts and plugins etc |
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| 15:45.27 | Shirik | ok so a friend just informed me as to why firefox is so ungodly slow |
| 15:45.43 | Fisker | no cog|work ! |
| 15:45.44 | Shirik | apparently the default prebuilt download for Firefox has all optimizations turned off |
| 15:47.25 | Kaso | that seems a bit unlikely |
| 15:50.54 | Shirik | this is just what I've been told |
| 15:50.59 | Shirik | they have a separate, optimized download |
| 15:51.03 | Fisker | i agree with Kaso |
| 15:51.12 | Fisker | Firefox is shitty even with optimizations |
| 15:51.19 | Kaso | They may have a more optimised download |
| 15:51.26 | Shadowed | the only reason I could see that being true, is if the optimizations had a serious cost |
| 15:51.39 | Shadowed | but it would make very little sense for the default to have all the optimizations turned off |
| 15:51.53 | Shirik | I've been told it's for compatibility |
| 15:52.26 | zenzelezz | Shirik: where would one find this optimised download? o_O |
| 15:52.38 | Shadowed | What kind of compatibility? |
| 15:52.38 | Shirik | I don't know I'm just learning about this myself |
| 15:52.44 | Shirik | Shadowed: I don't know! |
| 15:52.56 | Shadowed | This doesn't sound right to me :P |
| 15:53.01 | zenzelezz | Shadowed: probably the old Pentium 90 |
| 15:53.03 | Shadowed | I'm sure they turn off some optimizations, but not all of them |
| 15:53.06 | Shadowed | haha zenzelezz |
| 15:53.47 | cog|work | Fisker: NO U |
| 15:55.57 | Kaso | http://blog.mozilla.com/tglek/2010/04/19/windows-sucks-at-memory-mapped-io-during-startup/ |
| 15:56.08 | Kaso | interesting dicussion on why firefox load time sucks |
| 15:56.12 | Kaso | discussion |
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| 15:56.44 | Fisker | no u cog|work |
| 15:59.26 | Jamash | I've never really noticed firefox being especially slow |
| 15:59.35 | Jamash | I tried Chrome and noticed no difference |
| 15:59.58 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 16:00.09 | Jamash | Fisker |
| 16:02.37 | Gnarfoz | that's not how that works, Jamash |
| 16:02.56 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 16:03.04 | Gnarfoz | Shirik |
| 16:03.04 | Jamash | how does it work Gnarfoz |
| 16:04.05 | Fisker | Shirik Gnarfoz |
| 16:04.31 | Jamash | starcraft 2 map editor this week!!!3 |
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| 16:04.50 | Fisker | old |
| 16:05.08 | Jamash | you're old |
| 16:08.29 | Jamash | meh, gotta go to work |
| 16:08.41 | Jamash | at the census |
| 16:09.28 | Jamash | we have a huge stack of cardboard boxes on a table at work, and I was gonna build a box fort |
| 16:09.46 | Jamash | but a co-worker pointed out that if I constructed a residence, we'd have to enumerate it |
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| 16:10.12 | Jamash | and that would involve all kinds of paperwork |
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| 17:04.18 | Ackis | Bibi: does: salut je m'appelle John make more sense than salut je suis John? |
| 17:05.26 | Bibi | first one might be slightly more used ... but both are fine, really |
| 17:05.35 | Bibi | except that John kinda sucks as a name. |
| 17:05.43 | Bibi | but I guess it's too late to change that |
| 17:05.54 | durcyn | people named John tend to suck as well |
| 17:06.13 | Ackis | i hate you all |
| 17:06.16 | Ackis | :P |
| 17:06.23 | Ackis | I thought the second would've been more common |
| 17:12.50 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBO5dh9qrIQ |
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| 17:18.06 | olafski | aren't you canadian john? |
| 17:18.22 | olafski | you should know french! |
| 17:18.23 | Fisker | Ackis is a jerk |
| 17:18.29 | Ackis | yup |
| 17:18.35 | Ackis | I am Canadian |
| 17:18.41 | Ackis | but I'm Albertan and we hate Quebec |
| 17:18.54 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:18.57 | Fisker | why do you hate me? |
| 17:19.17 | durcyn | you are immintently despicable, Fisker |
| 17:19.45 | Ackis | I like Fisker |
| 17:20.16 | olafski | why? |
| 17:20.40 | Ackis | he makes me feel better about myself |
| 17:20.59 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/funny-pictures-cat-is-dinosaur.jpg |
| 17:21.24 | nicoli_s | ackis: did you see the dog star fox on kotaku yesterday? |
| 17:21.33 | Ackis | hah yeah |
| 17:21.37 | Ackis | I snickered |
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| 17:32.10 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 17:32.13 | Fisker | i discovered something |
| 17:32.17 | Fisker | why won't you hear it? |
| 17:32.56 | Ackis | tell me |
| 17:33.02 | olafski | pretend to care ackis |
| 17:33.05 | olafski | else you might hurt its feelings |
| 17:34.06 | mikma | ackis: purr, |
| 17:34.38 | Ackis | lol |
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| 17:35.50 | Fisker | i found out that the hole on the inside of your controller is a microjack connector!1 |
| 17:36.04 | Ackis | there's a hole in my controller? |
| 17:36.51 | Fisker | yes! |
| 17:38.21 | Ackis | where? |
| 17:38.22 | Ackis | pics? |
| 17:38.28 | Ackis | what's a microjack? |
| 17:38.33 | Ackis | is that what you do to yourself at night? |
| 17:38.36 | Thunder_Child | a small jack |
| 17:38.47 | Ackis | Fisker's microjacking himself off again! |
| 17:39.27 | Torhal | ~staple ackis |
| 17:39.27 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples ackis quite well, and hands ackis to torhal |
| 17:39.53 | Fisker | EFF are stupid |
| 17:40.28 | Torhal | Fisker: Why are there so many idiots in the world? |
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| 17:42.09 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: yes, they do have some issues |
| 17:42.21 | Thunder_Child | but no worse than the RIAA for example |
| 17:43.54 | Ackis | fuck I'm old |
| 17:44.17 | zenzelezz | at least the EFF is on our side |
| 17:44.31 | Thunder_Child | nominally |
| 17:51.14 | Fisker | Torhal |
| 17:51.48 | Fisker | getting easily trolled by constantin films |
| 17:54.04 | Ackis | Fisker: are you mad at the south park people for putting Muhammad in a bear suit? |
| 17:59.43 | Fisker | no? |
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| 18:00.44 | Gnarfoz | Fisker |
| 18:03.13 | zenzelezz | "A McAfee Update today (DAT 5958) incorrectly identifies svchost.exe, a critical Windows executable, as a virus and tries to remove it, causing endless reboot loops." |
| 18:03.15 | zenzelezz | woops |
| 18:03.44 | NightHawkTheSane | that's awesome. |
| 18:03.56 | Gnarfoz | how does that happen, don't they use, like, checksums or something... they couldn't really hit *all* versions of svchost.exe out in the wild with that, right? |
| 18:05.48 | Gnarfoz | and while I realise it's an erroneus update and thus the entire point was that they fucked up identifying the file correctly - couldn't they just add all known windows executables to a list of files where checking the digital signature takes precedence over their heuristic crap? |
| 18:06.08 | Gnarfoz | (or their own "found a virus signature here" crap, too) |
| 18:08.04 | Ackis | I had anti-virus shit flag lua code as a virus because I had the comment "wormhole generator" in it |
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| 18:09.10 | alestane | "So Ebert says games aren't art. That does not make it true. I say games are art and last time I checked, I was beating Michelle Obama, Oprah and Taylor swift in Time's 100 most influential people list." |
| 18:09.13 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: nice |
| 18:10.30 | zenzelezz | alestane: who said that? |
| 18:10.40 | alestane | Mike Krahulik. |
| 18:10.50 | alestane | aka "Gabe." |
| 18:11.12 | zenzelezz | blinks |
| 18:11.57 | nicoli_s | haha nice\ |
| 18:12.08 | nicoli_s | though that list is total bullshit |
| 18:12.43 | zenzelezz | was it Ebert that said that he didn't understand why game designers/players cared to much to call games "art"? |
| 18:13.15 | zenzelezz | I'd say it's the same reason why painters, sculptors etc. try to tell us their work is "art" |
| 18:13.20 | Ackis | is it wrong that I agree with Ebert? |
| 18:13.26 | zenzelezz | you're welcome to |
| 18:13.27 | nicoli_s | yes ackis |
| 18:13.31 | zenzelezz | it's all personal opinion |
| 18:14.00 | Ackis | the big reason why I agree is about accessibility... for you to experience the "art" of a video game you need to be able to play video games, not everyone can |
| 18:14.04 | mikma | Catchiest Crab, s06e02 |
| 18:14.13 | nicoli_s | his arguement is that since you can control what happens and the ending and such its not art, but does that mean choose your own adventure books arent art? |
| 18:14.19 | alestane | Not everyone can see a Jackson Pollack painting either, Ackis. |
| 18:14.30 | zenzelezz | for you to experience paintings, sculptures, etc. you need to understand what the hell the "artist" was trying to tell you |
| 18:14.33 | zenzelezz | and that usually doesn't work |
| 18:15.25 | zenzelezz | now I'll say that many games aren't art-quality, but some are |
| 18:15.34 | Ackis | alestane: you're talking about a minority of people with a disability of sorts, the exception can't be considered the norm, and right now the norm is that most people cannot play video games |
| 18:15.53 | alestane | An ever-increasing number are, though. |
| 18:15.53 | Ackis | zenzelezz: I would disagree with you, there's a lot of shit I don't get art wise, but I can appreciate the beauty of it |
| 18:16.08 | zenzelezz | then we differ |
| 18:16.22 | zenzelezz | I'm intrigued that you claim art is about accessibility |
| 18:16.37 | alestane | And "cannot" seems like an odd word. Art appreciation is a learned skill regardless of medium. |
| 18:16.41 | zenzelezz | just because handicapped people can't play football doesn't mean that's not a sport; I don't see how art is different |
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| 18:17.19 | alestane | Speaking of not understanding the artist's message, does today's XKCD make sense to anyone?\ |
| 18:17.26 | olafski | not to me |
| 18:17.41 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: not really, no. :P |
| 18:17.43 | alestane | Unless it's about the general absurdity of circuit diagrams, I'm quite lost. |
| 18:17.49 | Ackis | anyone can looks at a painting and see the art... but a game you need to have the ability to play it through to see the entire picture, and then on top of that you get games like mass effect/bioware where you will never see the entire picture... now this isn't saying that there isn't art in video games, but I just don't think we're at the point where an |
| 18:17.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i think it's just about general absurdity, full stop. |
| 18:17.58 | Ackis | entire video game can be considered a piece of art |
| 18:18.52 | zenzelezz | I won't argue it any further since we'd just go in circles, but I disagree :-p |
| 18:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Honestly, who cares if any one person declares video games, or any other medium as art, or not. |
| 18:20.19 | NightHawkTheSane | the definition of art is arguably so subjective, that it's a non-issue. |
| 18:20.32 | alestane | It doesn't help that I don't know a reliable definition of what makes something "art." |
| 18:20.35 | alestane | Jinx. |
| 18:20.42 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 18:21.02 | alestane | The word itself just means "skill" or "craft." |
| 18:21.15 | NightHawkTheSane | and, re: accessibility.. if someone built museum where someone could (free of charge) come and play some of the finer video games that have been made, would they tehn be art, because they're accessible? |
| 18:22.18 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: I didn't mean accessibility from the point of not having a game console/PC, I meant accessibility of having the skill to sit down for 20-80 hours and play through the game |
| 18:22.59 | NightHawkTheSane | so, on the flip side.. if there was an opera, or some kind of performance art that lasted 80 hours, is that not art? |
| 18:23.28 | Ackis | do you need a level of skill to complete the opera? |
| 18:23.31 | Ackis | no, you sit on your but |
| 18:23.42 | alestane | I don't think his point is about duration or accessibility. |
| 18:23.42 | Ackis | you don't need to hit the buttons the right way, to know how to play games, etc |
| 18:23.46 | alestane | Availability, rather. |
| 18:23.51 | Ackis | is me sitting down to play a game of monopoly art? |
| 18:24.04 | alestane | It's about the ability to complete the challenges. |
| 18:24.29 | olafski | but in braid you can't die! |
| 18:24.30 | olafski | no skill required! |
| 18:24.53 | olafski | other than that I'm with nighthawkthesane on the point that art is so hard to define |
| 18:24.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ok, alternately: if you were to watch someone else complete the game, and hypothetically were to experience it as much as they did, does that count? |
| 18:25.01 | olafski | when someone calls something art I tend to think "pretentious jerk" :P |
| 18:25.34 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm not really trying to prove you wrong, by the way, just exploring the limits of your accessability argument :) |
| 18:26.02 | Ackis | I know |
| 18:26.11 | Ackis | I have my own flaws in my argument as well |
| 18:26.32 | Ackis | ie: a game is made up of components that are art: story, music, movies, |
| 18:26.46 | alestane | I believe that Ebert's argument is about art being directed outward, toward other people, whereas the experiences created by people playing games are profoundly internal and incommunicable. |
| 18:27.12 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: thats something i strongly disagree with. |
| 18:27.34 | alestane | That that's what his argument is about, or that you disagree with the argument as I've interpreted it? |
| 18:28.26 | NightHawkTheSane | well, to be precise, I disagree that the experiences of people wrt typical 'art' are NOT internal and incommunicable, and also that there's any necessary "outward" component of art. |
| 18:29.13 | alestane | I didn't read it critically. That was my impression on skimming it. And I don't see much reason to agree with it myself. |
| 18:29.16 | NightHawkTheSane | the experience created by me playing a game are not terribly different than that of me listening to a symphony, except perhaps that one (typically) requires interaction. |
| 18:30.28 | alestane | Of course, I'm also in the middle of teaching a course on instructional design, and I've spent the last two weeks talking about things like constructivism, which has that basic assertion as one of its major pillars. |
| 18:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | which basic assertion? |
| 18:31.37 | alestane | That experiences and the memories built in response to them are intrinsically personal. |
| 18:32.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ah *nod* |
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| 18:34.34 | alestane | Because all new knowledge or experience is received into an existing thought environment, each person exposed to a given block of information will absorb it differently. |
| 18:34.49 | NightHawkTheSane | goes to lunch |
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| 18:41.14 | L4x4t0r | Hi |
| 18:41.30 | L4x4t0r | Do someone if there is a command to do a GM request ? |
| 18:41.40 | L4x4t0r | Because I don't have the "standart" menu of blizzard ? |
| 18:42.02 | Ackis | anyone heard of lord of ultima? |
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| 18:42.42 | durcyn | !api ToggleHelpMenu |
| 18:42.42 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'ToggleHelpMenu'. |
| 18:43.59 | durcyn | L4x4t0r: /run HelpFrame_ShowFrame("OpenTicket") |
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| 18:56.08 | foxlit | The amount of passwords I get to type in when returning to my desk to play wow is insane. |
| 18:56.43 | Fisker | btw |
| 18:56.52 | Fisker | impeckable timing on the untergang takedowns |
| 18:56.58 | Fisker | since hitler had his birthday yesterday |
| 18:57.05 | Fisker | which is probably when it began |
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| 19:08.48 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. green curry with thai iced tea.. |
| 19:09.16 | alestane | Sounds like lunch. |
| 19:09.21 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
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| 19:40.47 | NightHawkTheSane | shakes a fist and curses tomcat, alfresco, and all things java. |
| 19:41.28 | zenzelezz | what's alfresco? |
| 19:41.52 | alestane | I usually think of it as patio dining, but I think he means something else. |
| 19:45.09 | NightHawkTheSane | www.alfresco.com |
| 19:46.19 | kd3 | whee |
| 19:46.22 | kd3 | way to go mcaffee |
| 19:46.36 | kd3 | bricking windows everywhere! |
| 19:46.47 | zenzelezz | nonsense |
| 19:46.51 | zenzelezz | Windows 7 was unaffected |
| 19:46.56 | alestane | The svchost.exe thing? |
| 19:47.02 | kd3 | ya |
| 19:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 19:47.25 | NightHawkTheSane | that was pretty impressive. i wonder how many actual viruses have caused so much of a problem :P |
| 19:47.28 | alestane | I have heard that rogue processes and malware often disguise themselves as svchost.exe, but that seems like an extreme reaction. |
| 19:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: well, it was probably a (horrible) mistake related to that. |
| 19:48.02 | kd3 | I'm just wondering "Where the hell is basic qa? Deleting an extremely important user-mode process..." |
| 19:48.25 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm kinda shocked that got through qa. |
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| 19:57.54 | Dagmar | The fun part is that you could make a legit argument that it's malware-capable since it acts like a superserver |
| 19:58.17 | Dagmar | Rather often the damn thing is what you wind up staring at when you try to trace back "wtf on my machine is connecting to there?" |
| 19:58.36 | durcyn | i didn't know anyone still used that mcafee garbage. |
| 19:59.09 | Dagmar | You'd be amazed at how popular it is in institutions |
| 19:59.32 | Dagmar | ...or at least "it's as good as any other crap antivirus" |
| 19:59.44 | zenzelezz | Norton... |
| 19:59.44 | Dagmar | Until they get a whitelist I won't use 'em |
| 20:00.43 | durcyn | the only AV worth a wet slap anymore is the microsoft-rebadged Sybari stuff, but mcafee's been crap for a good decade |
| 20:00.58 | Dagmar | Comodo. |
| 20:01.01 | Dagmar | It has a whitelist. |
| 20:01.47 | Dagmar | Your *house* has a whitelist. |
| 20:01.57 | Dagmar | The door only lets people in who have the key. |
| 20:02.10 | Dagmar | It doesn't let just everyone except for known felons in. |
| 20:03.10 | kd3 | woot! [I Smell A Giant Rat]! |
| 20:03.15 | kd3 | 450 casts later |
| 20:03.16 | Dagmar | NOOOO |
| 20:03.16 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.33 | NightHawkTheSane | wanders off to yet another pointless meeting... *sigh* |
| 20:03.43 | Dagmar | You've no idea how close I was to taking a giant rubber rat and a Bowie knife over to Verant's offices |
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| 20:06.05 | zenzelezz | Verant? |
| 20:06.12 | Dagmar | Makers of EverQuest |
| 20:06.34 | zenzelezz | why would you take a rat to them? |
| 20:06.37 | Dagmar | No quadruped capable of standing upright and armed with a knife should ever fail to win against a giant rat |
| 20:09.22 | foxlit | But it's a giant rat! |
| 20:09.50 | alestane | Biped? |
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| 20:10.53 | kd3 | whee. today's my day |
| 20:10.59 | kd3 | fished up mr. pincy |
| 20:11.04 | kd3 | c'mon pet... |
| 20:11.36 | kd3 | huh? at-level potions? neat |
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| 20:15.42 | alestane | pwhawhothehuh? |
| 20:16.36 | alestane | Re: McAfee, my wife points out that most software services vendors have made SOM sort of massive gaffe like that at some point. |
| 20:17.27 | zenzelezz | various ones, yes |
| 20:18.36 | zenzelezz | not a virus scanner problem; but I was at a loss as to why my friend's boot.ini kept getting deleted |
| 20:18.56 | zenzelezz | turned out the Ask toolbar (which had snuck in with some program), when IE8 was installed, somehow kept doing that |
| 20:30.15 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: die in a moonfire :P |
| 20:30.28 | kd3 | lol |
| 20:30.32 | kd3 | I'm working on old ironjaw now |
| 20:30.36 | kd3 | I expect this to take a week |
| 20:31.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, if your luck keeps up, you'll have it in an hour ;) |
| 20:31.47 | eidolarr | the ask toolbar sneaks in everywhere these days |
| 20:31.49 | eidolarr | even utorrent! |
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| 20:40.16 | Arrowmaster | you actually use utorrent? eww |
| 20:40.28 | zenzelezz | I love µTorrent |
| 20:40.29 | Gagorian | What's wrong with uTorrent? |
| 20:40.49 | Arrowmaster | i dont understand why anybody would use a closed source program owned by a company that has been proven to be working with the large media industries |
| 20:40.55 | zenzelezz | oh nose |
| 20:41.06 | zenzelezz | didn't find another client I liked yet; especially not one with decent scheduling |
| 20:41.18 | Arrowmaster | im using deluge now |
| 20:41.23 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I have never found an alternative that I've liked |
| 20:41.31 | Ackis | (caveat: I've never tried anything else) |
| 20:41.31 | kd3 | deluge++ |
| 20:42.14 | zenzelezz | in fact, I run µTorrent in Wine since I didn't like any of the linux clients I found |
| 20:42.27 | durcyn | zenzelezz: i've been pretty happy with rtorrent |
| 20:42.38 | zenzelezz | didn't like that one either |
| 20:42.45 | Arrowmaster | have you tried deluge? |
| 20:42.54 | Arrowmaster | and a recent version of it |
| 20:43.18 | zenzelezz | I'm looking at their site now. Looks like a clone |
| 20:43.39 | durcyn | i just ditched torrentflux after using it for years, rtorrent + wtorrent + flexget is pretty much the best i've been able to find to replace it |
| 20:43.51 | zenzelezz | might give it a try just to avoid Wine, but I'm generally sceptical of other clients |
| 20:43.59 | durcyn | the only thing lacking is a search interface in wtorrent, but that never worked in TF anyway |
| 20:43.59 | Arrowmaster | wtorrent? |
| 20:44.07 | durcyn | php front-end for rtorrent |
| 20:44.38 | durcyn | i had to tweak it a bit to put the torrent files in the watch directory instead of trying to start them from its own store, but it's pretty slick |
| 20:44.39 | Arrowmaster | deluge has its own webui, although i havent used it in over 6 months |
| 20:44.55 | kd3 | deluge's new webui is nice |
| 20:45.04 | durcyn | deluge looked okay-ish. there's another python one called downpour that shows promise too |
| 20:45.38 | durcyn | it's kind of broken in the current 0.1 release though, in that it doesn't handle torrents with more than one file very well, but it's a start |
| 20:48.20 | zenzelezz | "ImportError: No module named pkg_resources" - meh |
| 20:49.18 | Dagmar | Deluge is *nice* |
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| 20:49.24 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:49.29 | Amarande | does UBRS ever appear as a dungeon finder choice? |
| 20:49.38 | kd3 | it shouldn't. it's a raid |
| 20:50.57 | Maldivia | it not longer a raid, and it does |
| 20:51.03 | Amarande | only LBRS |
| 20:51.11 | Amarande | apparently, I need to go to UBRS. :| |
| 20:51.16 | zenzelezz | what for? |
| 20:51.20 | Amarande | zenzelezz: blacksmithing quest |
| 20:51.53 | Amarande | the one for the demon forged breastplate or whatever it's called ... the one you get from the satyr towards the south end of winterspring |
| 20:52.15 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 20:52.20 | zenzelezz | what level are you? |
| 20:52.21 | Amarande | 60 |
| 20:52.27 | Amarande | I'll have to get guildies to help I guess |
| 20:52.41 | Amarande | given the utter fail of almost every PUG I've been in in LBRS, I definitely don't trust them to be able to handle UBRS heh |
| 20:53.13 | Amarande | I'm not sure why LBRS is a particular PUGslayer |
| 20:53.35 | Amarande | it does seem that the usual cause of wipes is for the tank to pull tons of mobs and then not be able to hold aggro on them all while we're trying to AoE them down to save said fracking tank's ass |
| 20:54.24 | Maldivia | that's the quest which requires a rare to spawn, right? |
| 20:54.39 | Amarande | Maldivia: far as is known, that particular "rare" always spawns |
| 20:54.52 | Amarande | it's no more "rare" than the guy who drops the item to start the BWL attunement quest |
| 20:55.07 | Maldivia | hmm, ok - he might have been more rare back then :P |
| 20:55.19 | Amarande | the real problem actually with that quest is more stupid teammates than anything else |
| 20:55.33 | Amarande | because the thing with the breastplate item despawns after being looted by one person |
| 20:55.39 | Amarande | idiots try to ninja it, get nothing, & make it despawn |
| 20:55.56 | Amarande | there's about 40 googol comments on wowhead about people fucking up the quest for people that way heh |
| 20:56.21 | Amarande | btw, is it normal as a MM hunter with decent gear to find elites to be rather pathetic? |
| 20:56.32 | olafski | I had a nice wipe in lbrs |
| 20:56.36 | Amarande | (I mean, individual generic world elites, like the dragonkin and giants in winterspring, etc.) |
| 20:56.42 | Maldivia | yes |
| 20:56.46 | olafski | when we jumped down from the bridge after the ogres, the mage thought he'd be helpful and give everybody slow fall |
| 20:56.48 | NightHawkTheSane | its normal for anyone with a modicum of skill to find them pathetic. |
| 20:56.55 | olafski | everyone (mage included) except me fell into the lava :D |
| 20:57.08 | Amarande | "elite" apparently = "wow, I might actually have to cast mend pet a couple times during the fight ... big whoop" |
| 20:57.19 | Amarande | olafski: oh yeah ... slow fall has a tendency to screw up where you land :) |
| 20:57.31 | Amarande | as an owner of a Parachute Cloak I know this well :P |
| 20:57.37 | Maldivia | "elite" = why does it take 5 seconds longer to kill? |
| 20:57.41 | olafski | you can jump down without getting falling damage there anyway.. dunno why they bothered :) |
| 20:58.02 | Amarande | we actually had a wipe in LBRS relating to that jump (the one from the bridge before omokk, right?) |
| 20:58.08 | Amarande | well, a not-quite-wipe |
| 20:58.12 | olafski | yeah that bridge |
| 20:58.12 | Amarande | I survived, and all because I was a hunter |
| 20:58.17 | olafski | though usually it's after omokk ;) |
| 20:58.33 | Amarande | apparently people jumped down into aggro and got omnomnommed |
| 20:58.45 | olafski | yeah you have to jump on the ledge and then onto the rock :) |
| 20:59.13 | Amarande | Being a hunter saved me because hunters need to dismiss their pets before taking jump shortcuts in instances |
| 20:59.27 | olafski | =) |
| 20:59.27 | Amarande | it all happened in the short amount of time it took me to cast Dismiss Pet, and of course I wasn't about to be a lemming :) |
| 21:00.31 | Amarande | that shortcut would have sucked for me anyway though |
| 21:00.38 | Amarande | because I'm pretty sure that results in skipping the troll hunter boss |
| 21:00.53 | Amarande | *which was of course the precise boss I was going through the torture of going to LBRS in the first place for :P* |
| 21:00.53 | olafski | yes, it does |
| 21:01.01 | olafski | you're some kind of lvl 60 twink/ |
| 21:01.14 | Amarande | olafski: blacksmith. picking up every pattern I can |
| 21:01.33 | olafski | ah |
| 21:01.33 | Amarande | you need the troll hunter boss to do the quest to get the dawn's edge pattern |
| 21:03.11 | Amarande | I'm particularly trying to get as near complete a collection of old world recipes as I can because I'm not sure what if anything will go away in cata |
| 21:04.49 | olafski | :) |
| 21:04.55 | Dagmar | Looks like it's probably time to take my 'lock through BRD for recipes |
| 21:05.17 | Dagmar | He should be able to do it at 74 since I was clearing the place on my hunter at 70 |
| 21:05.27 | olafski | any particular reason you want these things? or just for completion's sake |
| 21:05.39 | Dagmar | Gnome-alarm-o-bot |
| 21:06.42 | olafski | ok I can see that one |
| 21:06.46 | olafski | but dawn's edge? |
| 21:07.03 | Dagmar | Whoa. mechagnomes in Borean Tundra probably just shivered |
| 21:07.09 | Dagmar | I dont' have Jeeves yet |
| 21:07.22 | olafski | :D |
| 21:07.34 | olafski | got mine there too |
| 21:07.53 | olafski | I was dreading having to kill lvl 78 mobs on my lvl 68 lock but then I found out that the pattern drops just as easily in borean tundra :) |
| 21:09.54 | alestane | That's where mine dropped. |
| 21:10.14 | alestane | A second later a flying rare mechagnome descended on us. |
| 21:10.24 | alestane | We figured it was a heck of a lucky streak. |
| 21:10.37 | olafski | :) |
| 21:11.04 | Dagmar | I didn't know there were flying mecha anythings |
| 21:11.06 | Dagmar | Neat |
| 21:11.21 | olafski | yeah there's some rare mob in that area |
| 21:11.39 | olafski | 161/251 on my alchemy |
| 21:11.41 | olafski | I better farm! |
| 21:12.34 | Dagmar | The key phrases for me just a moment ago were "can be salvaged from any level 70-and-above mechanical mobs" and "lots of them" |
| 21:12.58 | Dagmar | So basically, everything in that area has a chance to drop it and I can almost depopulate it |
| 21:13.11 | olafski | :) |
| 21:13.15 | olafski | the droprate seems quite good |
| 21:13.36 | Dagmar | I didn't know the first time through there that it could drop there |
| 21:14.58 | Amarande | "WotLK Heroics, beside Trial of the Champion, Pit of Saron, Halls of Reflection and The Forge of Souls unlock with an average item level of 160." |
| 21:15.03 | Amarande | what's the ilvl for those other ones? |
| 21:15.12 | Torhal | Dagmar: Ackis Recipe List. Latest alpha. |
| 21:15.37 | Dagmar | What, it'll tell me on mouse-over or something? |
| 21:15.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: Not only that |
| 21:15.58 | Dagmar | Downloading |
| 21:16.07 | Amarande | Once you scan a tradeskill, when you mouse over the trainer/vendor/mob that can sell/drop a given recipe you don't have |
| 21:16.12 | Amarande | it adds it to the tooltip *there* too |
| 21:16.23 | Ackis | ARL adds to the tooltip of mobs? |
| 21:16.32 | Amarande | Ackis: it seems like it does, at any rate |
| 21:16.42 | Amarande | unless it's somehow interacting with Tradeskill Info |
| 21:16.43 | Torhal | Ackis: Yes |
| 21:16.50 | Torhal | Ackis: I added that a few months back |
| 21:16.53 | Amarande | but since it seems the trigger is doing an ARL scan, I think it's your addon :) |
| 21:16.53 | Ackis | I know it does, I was just trying to get you upset |
| 21:16.57 | Torhal | Fucker |
| 21:17.01 | Ackis | :D |
| 21:17.12 | Ackis | maybe that fucks w/ QH? |
| 21:17.18 | Amarande | BTW, where's the TomTom integration you said ARL had? |
| 21:17.23 | Amarande | I had to put in waypoints manually |
| 21:17.36 | Amarande | (after which TomTom loves to crazy taxi point me to THE OTHER CONTINENT half the time :P) |
| 21:17.37 | Torhal | Amarande: It's in the tooltip for the recipe |
| 21:17.59 | Torhal | It'll say to Control-Shift-Click teh recipe |
| 21:18.05 | Amarande | Ahh. |
| 21:18.12 | Ackis | type /arl to see the options as well |
| 21:18.15 | Torhal | Amarande: That's one of the things I'll be making nicer in 1.1.0 |
| 21:18.18 | Ackis | you can set it up so it automagically populates |
| 21:18.19 | Amarande | I was trying to find it and kept overlooking it |
| 21:18.26 | Amarande | what's the option to autopopulate? |
| 21:18.41 | Amarande | I don't think I saw it in the help |
| 21:18.44 | Torhal | When you click on a vendor/trainer/mob in the list, you'll get a waypoint JUST for that entry |
| 21:18.58 | Amarande | Oh, you can't do it FROM the list? |
| 21:19.02 | Torhal | But right now, it just throws them all in and randomly points at one |
| 21:19.06 | Torhal | Yes |
| 21:19.16 | Torhal | But it's not as nice as I'm going to make it |
| 21:19.32 | Amarande | I also need to never scan cooking on my warlock again |
| 21:19.37 | Torhal | Oh? |
| 21:19.39 | Torhal | Heh |
| 21:19.43 | Amarande | it basically tells me "HAHA THERE ARE TWO RECIPES LEFT AND YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO GET THEM SUCKER" |
| 21:19.53 | olafski | which two are those? |
| 21:19.57 | Amarande | lol |
| 21:20.01 | Amarande | thistle tea, which I can't get because I'm a rogue |
| 21:20.08 | olafski | ah fair dos |
| 21:20.10 | Amarande | and you can *probably* guess what the other one is :) |
| 21:20.11 | olafski | do's* |
| 21:20.11 | Torhal | Because you're not, you mean? |
| 21:20.12 | Arrowmaster | you mean not a rogue |
| 21:20.16 | olafski | amarande: the bwl one? |
| 21:20.18 | Amarande | yeah, because I"m not a rogue |
| 21:20.24 | Amarande | olafski: the AQ40 chain one yeah |
| 21:20.30 | olafski | but why can't you get that? |
| 21:20.34 | olafski | it's not that hard |
| 21:20.34 | Torhal | Amarande: Fix your class filter flags. As in, take the check mark OFF of Rogue |
| 21:20.44 | foxlit | # Isn't this where...? |
| 21:20.51 | Amarande | Also speaking of professions |
| 21:20.55 | olafski | you can even buy it on the AH from time to time, if you really want to complete it |
| 21:20.57 | Amarande | Since I hear Booty Bay is going to get nuked in Cata |
| 21:21.06 | Amarande | where will Horde train for Gnomish Engineering then? |
| 21:21.17 | Torhal | Probably Azshara |
| 21:21.18 | Dagmar | Tip: Don't build Coastal when there's a flood coming |
| 21:21.42 | Amarande | (for a real mindbender, I guess, take gnomish eng on a goblin :) |
| 21:21.42 | NightHawkTheSane | nowhere, horde will be screwed, because OBVIOUSLY blizzard hates you |
| 21:21.52 | NightHawkTheSane | no different than goblin eng ona gnome. |
| 21:22.07 | olafski | horde loses that ability |
| 21:22.17 | olafski | alliance also loses the ability to become gnome engineers because goblins finally took a side |
| 21:22.26 | olafski | oh and all goblin towns become hostile with alliance |
| 21:22.37 | Amarande | oh, that would be no fair |
| 21:22.47 | Amarande | alliance would have to start neutral or friendly with bloodsail then of course! :) |
| 21:23.22 | olafski | ;) |
| 21:24.16 | Amarande | man no more booty bay in cata |
| 21:24.31 | Amarande | wonder if Grom'Gol will be affected by the devastation too |
| 21:24.51 | Amarande | will be irritated if it is, heh |
| 21:25.19 | Amarande | mainly because that would make it stupidly tedious for Horde to get to southern EK |
| 21:25.36 | olafski | they could make the zeppelin go somewhere else |
| 21:25.37 | Amarande | 12+ minute flights *every time* unnngghhhh. |
| 21:26.19 | Dagmar | Interesting. Not showing on the tooltip here. |
| 21:26.24 | Amarande | reminds me of BC |
| 21:26.31 | Amarande | one thing that *sucked* as horde in BC |
| 21:26.33 | olafski | oh well, bedtime...... after V :D |
| 21:26.43 | Amarande | was that there was basically no reasonably rapid way to get to kara :| |
| 21:27.00 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, it wasnt that bda |
| 21:27.03 | NightHawkTheSane | bad* |
| 21:27.06 | Arrowmaster | we always just went through the dark portal |
| 21:27.07 | Amarande | unless there was a lock in the raid, or you were lucky enough to have Atiesh |
| 21:27.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 21:27.38 | Amarande | yeah I keep forgetting about that, especially with the new blasted lands portals in capitals |
| 21:27.40 | Arrowmaster | but then they added portal to grom gol later in TBC |
| 21:27.47 | NightHawkTheSane | and really, its not like it was the worst thing ever to fly from grom'gol. so you just got up to grab a drink or someshit. |
| 21:27.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: you mean stonard, but yeah |
| 21:27.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 21:28.24 | Amarande | Night: depends on your zepp timing whether that actually saves time though |
| 21:28.39 | NightHawkTheSane | my point is that it doesn't matter. |
| 21:28.47 | NightHawkTheSane | if it takes an extra minute or two to get there, who cares? |
| 21:28.48 | Amarande | especially if you are in Shattrath, and therefore either have to fly all the way to the DP or go to Undercity and then either zepp to GG or fly to Stonard (the latter is 11:39, I remember it well) |
| 21:29.23 | Amarande | wow these scammers are getting dumber by the day meanwhile |
| 21:29.35 | NightHawkTheSane | on long flights i always take/took the opportunity get up and not stare at my computer for 5-10 minutes |
| 21:29.36 | Amarande | I just got a phishing email telling me my Aion account was suspended for 72 hours |
| 21:29.40 | Amarande | I don't have an Aion account :| |
| 21:30.21 | Amarande | anyway |
| 21:30.29 | Amarande | what's the minimum ilvl for the ICC instances and TOC5? |
| 21:30.37 | Amarande | wowwiki only mentions that the other heroics are 160 |
| 21:31.04 | foxlit | When you do find out, add it to the wiki. :) |
| 21:31.54 | NightHawkTheSane | icc is somewhere above 200 i'm reasonably certain |
| 21:32.18 | Amarande | (and why did I not know there was a LFR?) |
| 21:32.25 | NightHawkTheSane | because you're dumb? :P |
| 21:32.31 | Amarande | apparently it's not very obvious |
| 21:32.39 | Amarande | according to wiki, you have to know the / command to even use it |
| 21:32.46 | Amarande | (which makes me wonder if it's useful or if not enough people know about it) |
| 21:32.58 | foxlit | I think that might be wrong |
| 21:33.07 | zenzelezz | Amarande: or you could go to the Raid tab in Social and click "Open Raid Browser" |
| 21:33.07 | foxlit | There's probably a button in the social frame |
| 21:33.37 | Amarande | ahh, in some non-obvious corner |
| 21:33.48 | Amarande | who ever goes to the raid tab unless they need to check what they're saved to? |
| 21:33.49 | zenzelezz | yes; smash dab in the middle of the Raid pane |
| 21:33.53 | zenzelezz | who would've thought! |
| 21:34.00 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, well, apparently anything that's not garishly in the middle of your screen at all times is not obvious :P |
| 21:34.03 | foxlit | People who know what they're doing |
| 21:34.24 | foxlit | Or if they've ever seen a "Raid" tab and wondered about what it does |
| 21:34.27 | Amarande | Night: I'm just wondering why it's not on the micro menu like the LFD :) |
| 21:34.38 | NightHawkTheSane | because they ran out of space |
| 21:34.39 | foxlit | There's a very limited amount of space in the micro menu |
| 21:34.46 | NightHawkTheSane | high fives foxlit |
| 21:35.26 | Amarande | yeah I forgot it has to fit in that blizzard dragon motif thing in the default UI |
| 21:35.40 | Amarande | I've used bartender for so long now that I hardly ever give notice to the default button layout :S |
| 21:36.15 | Amarande | FFS |
| 21:36.24 | Amarande | I log in, alt-tab, and alt-tab back to find I've been nommed by a tar lurker |
| 21:36.29 | Amarande | fuck you, Un'Goro Crater |
| 21:36.40 | foxlit | Come on. |
| 21:36.46 | foxlit | It was a Tar Lurker. You deserved it. |
| 21:36.47 | kd3 | alt-tabbing in ungoro is never a good idea |
| 21:36.51 | Amarande | actually, I forgot I logged out in an unsafe area |
| 21:36.53 | kd3 | goddamn dinos |
| 21:36.56 | Amarande | because I didn't log out normally last night |
| 21:36.59 | foxlit | If it was a Devilsaur, you might've been justified in whining about Un'Goro |
| 21:37.04 | Amarande | I got DC'd when my ISP took stuff down for maintenance |
| 21:37.12 | Amarande | and it was right before bed anyway soo ... heh |
| 21:37.45 | Amarande | so I forgot I never quite made it to Marshal's before getting DC'd :| |
| 21:39.14 | Pneumatus | anyone got any idea of the name of the soundfile when a moonkin gets crit? |
| 21:39.24 | Ackis | http://cheezhawtness.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129153835991298058.jpg NSFW (Look at it Torhal) |
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| 21:40.02 | Amarande | I'd get annoyed if I was killed by a devilsaur at this point |
| 21:40.09 | Torhal | Ackis: ...? |
| 21:40.12 | Amarande | mostly because I'm sure I could actually kill one if I was actually paying attention :) |
| 21:40.24 | Ackis | that image made me think of you |
| 21:40.36 | Amarande | 60 MM hunter with a tenacity pet and pretty decent old world gear ... yeah, I think the devilsaurs are toast if they cross me while I'm looking |
| 21:40.58 | Amarande | I had no trouble with the Winterspring giants or the Cobalts, and they are higher level |
| 21:41.12 | Amarande | (oddly, I find the groups of 3 blue whelps much, much more annoying than the elites) |
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| 21:42.14 | Amarande | although the mageweavers are starting to annoy me as well |
| 21:42.18 | Amarande | mainly because they're not dropping what I want |
| 21:42.29 | Torhal | Ackis: Are you calling me a dirty twat? |
| 21:42.31 | Amarande | they gave my priest the robe of winter night pattern in like 3 kills |
| 21:42.39 | Amarande | they still haven't given my hunter the arcanite dragonling schematic :| |
| 21:42.48 | Amarande | they DID give me the greater arcane protection potion formula otoh |
| 21:43.35 | Ackis | lol |
| 21:44.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Torhal: thats what i thought he was saying |
| 21:44.22 | Torhal | ~whalenuke Ackis |
| 21:44.23 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Ackis with his mind powers. |
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| 21:44.55 | Amarande | I'm beginning to wonder if I shouldn't farm this *on my hunter* |
| 21:45.16 | Amarande | if instead I should go get Vladoka out of the DK starter area and start leveling skinning, so I at least get something *useful* from these elites when they don't want to drop it |
| 21:46.34 | Ackis | avatar is released tomorrow then again in november/ |
| 21:46.56 | foxlit | dvd? |
| 21:47.06 | Torhal | BluRay in November |
| 21:47.11 | Ackis | blueray/dvd tomorrow |
| 21:48.17 | NightHawkTheSane | the deluxe you-probably-really-wanted-this-version-but-didnt-want-to-wait-so-you'll-buy-it-twice-anyway version is in november. |
| 21:48.33 | Ackis | like LotR |
| 21:48.38 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed |
| 21:48.43 | Ackis | dvd, dvd extended, blue ray, blue ray extended |
| 21:48.52 | Ackis | fool me once, shame on you! fool me twice, shame on me! |
| 21:49.01 | Ackis | I will only own 3 copies of LotR, not 4! |
| 21:49.35 | Ackis | ah November is 3D |
| 21:49.35 | Ackis | http://www.techradar.com/news/video/blu-ray/avatar-gets-november-3d-blu-ray-release-671399 |
| 21:50.00 | NightHawkTheSane | so i was right. :P |
| 21:50.24 | Ackis | 3D != deluxe |
| 21:50.29 | NightHawkTheSane | true.. |
| 21:50.54 | Ackis | next year they'll have the deluxe edition :P |
| 21:51.15 | NightHawkTheSane | in a year, we'll get the delux, and then in 9 months well get the 3d-delux-super-set-we've-made-you-buy-three-copies-of-this-movie-and-we'll-make-you-buy-another-even-though-we've-had-this-material-the-entire-time-and-could-have-just-released-this-first |
| 21:51.19 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:51.26 | Amarande | anyone else have trouble with their toon running in place? |
| 21:51.44 | Amarande | there doesn't seem any lag or anything ... it just seems odd graphically though, often lately when I stop walking my character stands in place and continues to perform the walking animation |
| 21:51.59 | Ackis | at least the blue-ray tomorrow is a dvd/blue ray combo pack! |
| 21:52.12 | Ackis | I wonder if it'll have the 1 time use digital download (aka screw me in the ass) |
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| 21:52.52 | Ackis | http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129145415088188403.jpg teheheehehe |
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| 21:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | http://i.imgur.com/SFloI.jpg |
| 21:54.25 | Ackis | heh |
| 21:56.05 | Thunder_Child | someone had WAY to much time |
| 21:57.16 | kd3 | jeez oh man |
| 21:57.21 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb? |
| 21:57.22 | kd3 | that's a hell of a lot of pure sugar |
| 21:57.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's something you give to someone who you want o kill |
| 21:57.35 | Thunder_Child | it's not really...'pure' |
| 21:58.13 | Amarande | anyway |
| 21:58.17 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1: no, someone you really want to kill you give the krispy kream bacon cheeseburger |
| 21:58.18 | Amarande | any idea what causes that running in place glitch? |
| 21:58.22 | Amarande | like I said, it seems to be only graphical |
| 21:58.31 | kd3 | server desync |
| 21:58.31 | Amarande | because I don't get any "can't do that while moving" or signs of lag or anything like that |
| 21:58.34 | Amarande | I just can't get him to stand still :P |
| 21:59.46 | Amarande | ah. |
| 21:59.49 | Amarande | weird. |
| 22:00.15 | Amarande | T_C: I'm going to *assume* the krispy kreme bacon cheeseburger donut is savory though, not sweet |
| 22:00.21 | Amarande | and as a savory it doesn't sound all that awful :) |
| 22:00.33 | Kraps | a few upgrades to pandora |
| 22:00.38 | Amarande | although who knows, it might be the sort of mediocrity that is, say, cheeseburger hot pockets |
| 22:00.45 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: both |
| 22:00.46 | Kraps | lyrics ftw |
| 22:03.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Augmented reality for driving, on iphone3gs: this is pretty awesome www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kn37kvGpHQ |
| 22:03.52 | zenzelezz | so I'm running around Dalaran, spot some guy in my former guild... /wave at him.... [...]: stop tarting it wiv my bf |
| 22:04.02 | zenzelezz | I'm not even a female character |
| 22:04.25 | Dagmar | "But I never saw him on the screen officer" |
| 22:05.06 | Dagmar | Until your windscreen becomes a display screen, AR + cars == BAD |
| 22:05.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: well, it has audio notifactions, and if you mount it in your field of vision, it can provide a nice hud display to glance at |
| 22:05.58 | NightHawkTheSane | its certainly not designed to replace actually paying attention to the raod, though :P |
| 22:06.46 | Kraps | sucks that you cant use pandora outside the US |
| 22:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: you should check out the video if you haven't, its neat. |
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| 22:07.55 | Dagmar | I don't think you understand. |
| 22:08.09 | Dagmar | People _already_ drive off bridges because the GPS voice said "turn left now" |
| 22:08.31 | Dagmar | Not everyone's grip on reality is as tight as it would at first appear |
| 22:08.52 | NightHawkTheSane | idiots are always going to BE idiots. no amount of technology, or lack thereof, will prevent that. |
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| 22:09.03 | NightHawkTheSane | those are the same people who manage to rear end a parked car. |
| 22:09.08 | Arrowmaster | i did a 360 on a wet overpass because of stupid GPS being wrong |
| 22:09.29 | Xuerian | Turn right |
| 22:09.32 | Xuerian | in 150 meters |
| 22:09.51 | NightHawkTheSane | but there's a lot to be said for providing additional information to a driver via an augmented reality system :P |
| 22:11.26 | cbreak | are drivers able to process current information flood? |
| 22:11.37 | cbreak | would additional information increase security? |
| 22:11.48 | Dagmar | That right there is why it desperately needs to be in the windscreen |
| 22:11.59 | cbreak | ah well, no issue for me anyway |
| 22:12.02 | cbreak | I have a driver :) |
| 22:12.04 | Arrowmaster | with head tracking too |
| 22:12.06 | Xuerian | stabs freenode. |
| 22:12.13 | Xuerian | IT IS MY PASSWORD, BITCH |
| 22:12.27 | Dagmar | doesn't need much in the way of head tracking. |
| 22:12.48 | Dagmar | You have at least *two mirrors* you're resposible for. This is enough to keep the screen mostly accurate |
| 22:13.00 | Dagmar | er responsible |
| 22:13.29 | foxlit | More importantly, why don't we have cars that drive themselves already? |
| 22:13.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder how effective/usable it would be to replace mirrors with cameras.. |
| 22:13.48 | NightHawkTheSane | (ie, side/rear mirrors in cars, that is) |
| 22:13.58 | Dagmar | "Objects on screen may have more ads than they appear" |
| 22:14.03 | Xuerian | snrk. |
| 22:14.12 | Xuerian | And where would the rear-view cameras display? |
| 22:14.14 | NightHawkTheSane | oh man >< |
| 22:14.24 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: we do |
| 22:14.40 | Gintaro | foxlit, what about when we would have cars that could ride themselves. You, being the responsible man that you are regularly bring your car to the garage for service. The local punk thinks he can fix the stuff himself, now who's a hazard |
| 22:14.41 | Xuerian | Yeah. Just not ones you can buy. |
| 22:14.47 | Dagmar | I need to go publish that tonight to provide prior art |
| 22:14.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: you mean where would the camera be located, or where would the display be located? |
| 22:14.58 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Mostly B. Minorly A. |
| 22:15.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont see why the display couldn't be relatively close to where the mirrors are currently located |
| 22:15.24 | Gintaro | Why not use the entire front window! |
| 22:15.27 | NightHawkTheSane | but ultimately, as long as it's visible, and the driver understand what it is, it should work |
| 22:15.30 | Xuerian | Why use a camera, then? |
| 22:15.40 | Dagmar | Gintaro: One should, but it has to be an overlay |
| 22:15.46 | Dagmar | BMW's already working on it |
| 22:15.48 | Gintaro | Uhuh |
| 22:15.53 | Xuerian | Overlays are long overdue |
| 22:15.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: the ability to get a better view/angle |
| 22:15.59 | cbreak | DARPA is working on it |
| 22:16.09 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: Well, if you could, i guess. Price is always a consdieration. |
| 22:16.13 | NightHawkTheSane | a very full car (or, say a truck/trialer) might have an obscured rear view |
| 22:16.21 | Dagmar | ...but you don't neceesarily need to be able to draw outlines exactly around things. |
| 22:16.27 | Gintaro | Imagine the possibilities though, projecting your favorite show on your widescreen front window |
| 22:16.27 | NightHawkTheSane | and i always hate arranging side-view mirrors, i can never get them quite right |
| 22:16.29 | Dagmar | "Hit boxes" will work just fine |
| 22:16.32 | foxlit | Gintaro: Clearly the stuff should be self-diagnosing to the point of simply not bothering to drive while broken. |
| 22:16.46 | Dagmar | foxlit: Engine failure mostly takes care of that. :) |
| 22:17.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: obviously it would cost more, but im just wondering why we havet seen it yet |
| 22:17.19 | Xuerian | Dagmar: Mayaswell have point values floating over each card indicating it's MSRP |
| 22:17.24 | NightHawkTheSane | it seems like it'd be a good idea on vehicles that can't have rear view mirrors |
| 22:17.30 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: we have |
| 22:17.37 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: I don't think they've replaced the standard mirrors, but there ARE cars with rear-view cameras |
| 22:17.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: oh? |
| 22:17.45 | Dagmar | Vehicles that "can't" have rear-view mirrors have cameras now |
| 22:17.45 | NightHawkTheSane | well, nevermind me then. :P |
| 22:18.08 | NightHawkTheSane | hasn't actually driven a car in like 5 years |
| 22:18.12 | Gintaro | lol |
| 22:18.20 | Gintaro | hikkikomiri! |
| 22:18.23 | NightHawkTheSane | (public transit is awesome) |
| 22:18.40 | Gintaro | I absolutly despise public transit |
| 22:18.43 | Xuerian | If by public transport you mean hijacking a horse or cow from a nearby farm |
| 22:18.44 | Xuerian | Sure! |
| 22:18.47 | Arrowmaster | only in areas that can have decent public transit |
| 22:18.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: well, thats why i only live in those areas :) |
| 22:19.02 | Kraps | lol http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/24401903025/when-is-blizzard-going-to-learn/ |
| 22:19.43 | Xuerian | kraps: I'd like to know why they don't publish these ratios, at least in brief. I hate having to check the unreliable warcraftrealms reports when picking a server |
| 22:19.52 | NightHawkTheSane | I almost never have cause to go somewhere that doesn't have good public transit access, and the few times i do, its typically with someone else who has a car. *shrug* |
| 22:19.52 | Xuerian | eg: "this server is EST, and is primarily horde" |
| 22:20.05 | Dagmar | ...because some people want to be on the winning side all the time. |
| 22:20.28 | Xuerian | Dagmar: The higher population doesn't guarantee the winning population |
| 22:20.53 | Gintaro | Say that to the chinese |
| 22:20.56 | Xuerian | ... |
| 22:20.57 | Xuerian | touche |
| 22:21.00 | Dagmar | ...and to the people with an IQ of less than 100. |
| 22:21.03 | Dagmar | Which is HALF the population. |
| 22:21.06 | Dagmar | Think about that a moment. |
| 22:21.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Xuerian: publishing the ratios would mean people would only join servers where their desired faction is at an advantage |
| 22:21.08 | Gintaro | Only half? |
| 22:21.16 | Xuerian | NightHawkTheSane: TAKE YOUR SENSE ELSEWHERE |
| 22:22.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: shockingly, half the population is below average intelligence. crazy! :P |
| 22:22.59 | foxlit | Crazy! |
| 22:23.11 | foxlit | But not necessarily true |
| 22:23.36 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, truthiness is of no concern to me! |
| 22:24.17 | foxlit | It's pedantry; I'd accept "half the population is below median IQ" |
| 22:24.29 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 22:24.29 | foxlit | Which is pretty much a tautology |
| 22:24.31 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats let pithy |
| 22:24.35 | NightHawkTheSane | less* |
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| 22:25.20 | alestane | pouncles lopeppeppy. |
| 22:25.50 | Lopeppeppy | is a little insane |
| 22:26.02 | alestane | Should be right at home then,. |
| 22:26.26 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401482856&sid=1&pageNo=3#50 |
| 22:27.39 | foxlit | I expect impending moderation. |
| 22:28.35 | Kraps | bashiok posted something in there |
| 22:29.32 | Lopeppeppy | It is oh so very accurate, however vulgar it is. :) |
| 22:31.22 | Xuerian | Hahaha. |
| 22:31.41 | Xuerian | "Ten of which were wiped out, asleep or in a narcotics coma" |
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| 23:57.13 | Arrowmaster | http://store.steampowered.com/public/client/steam_client_linux?date=706605 |
| 23:58.34 | frontendloader | what does mystic buffet look like |
| 23:58.37 | frontendloader | in the combatlog |
| 23:59.15 | Kraps | delicious |
