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| 00:13.32 | Amarande | hmmm. |
| 00:13.44 | Amarande | azshara, winterspring or plaguelands next ... decisions, decisions. :) |
| 00:14.39 | Amarande | also, what's the chance of a decently geared hunter at 55 managing to solo the Azshara giants for that BRD quest? |
| 00:15.36 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/4/19/ - the language here feels like talking to some people here at work. |
| 00:16.21 | Amarande | Lunessa, do you also sometimes get that feeling that you work for Dilbert's company? |
| 00:16.27 | Dagmar | Amarande: Provided you don't do something stupid like bring a cat along to tank it? Reasonably challenging |
| 00:17.09 | Lunessa | Amarande: No. I sometimes get the feeling that I'm the only one in the universe who hasn't taken goddamned crazy pills. |
| 00:17.15 | Amarande | Crocolisk. Ol' Gustav's been with me since 39 or 40. :) |
| 00:18.20 | Amarande | I guess it's time for "3:10 to Splintertree" anyway, since Azshara is the lowest level of the three areas I've got quests sending me to :) |
| 00:18.43 | Amarande | (A more challenging bit of trivia: if I'm saying '3:10 to Splintertree', where did I start from ...) |
| 00:19.12 | Dagmar | Anyone who answers will be completely unfamiliar with the touch of a woman |
| 00:19.29 | Lunessa | Amarande: Orgrimar |
| 00:19.37 | Lunessa | Dagmar: LIES! |
| 00:19.59 | Dagmar | ...unless that's the name of a horde quest or something |
| 00:20.18 | Dagmar | I can't see any normal person being that familiar with how long it takes to fly to somewhere most players are desperate to get away from and never go back |
| 00:21.05 | Lunessa | Nah, he's just making a reference to a novel that's been made into a movie, twice. |
| 00:21.11 | Amarande | Lunessa: Nope, Ratchet. |
| 00:21.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: a lot of players have addons that tell the flight time before clicking |
| 00:21.36 | Dagmar | Yes, but how often do we fly to Splintertree |
| 00:22.01 | Dagmar | I know I get a textbox on my screen telling me how long until I'm there, but I never go to Splintertree |
| 00:22.53 | Dagmar | ...other than sometimes streaking by on it, mounted. |
| 00:23.13 | Amarande | Dagmar: when you're leveling an alt and getting ready to go to azshara? |
| 00:24.02 | Amarande | (speaking of which, I hope they don't totally butcher Azshara with that 'giant horde symbol' thing. It's quite a lovely zone, even if suffering from something of a lack of stuff to *do*) |
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| 00:25.02 | Amarande | Also: Dammit QH. I wish there was a way to specifically suppress the Ravasaur mount quest from the tracker |
| 00:25.11 | Dagmar | Azshara == unpleasant lumpy-land with far too much in the way of "hills there simply to make you go the long way 'round" |
| 00:25.24 | Amarande | Dagmar: also too little ore, yeah |
| 00:25.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: Far as I know there is |
| 00:25.27 | Amarande | plenty of herbs, though |
| 00:25.54 | Dagmar | I saw something towards the bottom of /qh help the other night that looked like it was for making QH ignore a quest |
| 00:25.55 | Amarande | I can't quite seem to figure out how. And every time I go anywhere NEAR Tanaris, Un'goro, or Silithus now it uselessly points the crazy taxi arrow to one of the spots where a daily might take me. |
| 00:26.05 | Amarande | Even though I've already DONE the daily for today. |
| 00:27.08 | Dagmar | Might be /qh ignore [link]... *might be* |
| 00:28.01 | Amarande | well it just disappeared from the tracker after that ... otoh it also brought up the help menu as if I had given an invalid command |
| 00:28.12 | Shirik | party in a box yum yum |
| 00:28.43 | Legorol | what're you eatin? |
| 00:28.54 | Shirik | nothing |
| 00:28.58 | Shirik | I'm just sick of this damn commercial |
| 00:30.35 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:31.46 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.43 | Dagmar | <3's jqPlot |
| 00:37.38 | batrick | http://osdir.com/ml/lua@bazar2.conectiva.com.br/2010-04/msg00557.html |
| 00:37.41 | batrick | absolutely amazing |
| 00:37.54 | batrick | it makes me giggle uncontrollably |
| 00:38.25 | Dagmar | The guy thinks Linux is an IDE? |
| 00:38.38 | batrick | read all of it |
| 00:38.42 | Thunder_Child | well...it can be |
| 00:38.42 | Dagmar | I think the bispheonal has eaten his brain |
| 00:38.45 | batrick | quoted text is pertinent |
| 00:38.47 | Dagmar | er bisphenol |
| 00:39.55 | Dagmar | Am I getting this wrong? Some dude name dPan Shi Zhu is telling someone there's no point in asking about an IDE under Linux because "you're already in the IDE" |
| 00:40.01 | batrick | "It is no problem that we don't easily understand the great idea that |
| 00:40.02 | batrick | GNU/Linux itself being an IDE." |
| 00:40.03 | Dagmar | You called him out on it. |
| 00:40.05 | batrick | money quote |
| 00:40.10 | Dagmar | SOme damn fool from Brazil backs up the loon |
| 00:40.13 | batrick | someone should put that in the topic |
| 00:40.37 | Dagmar | Linux is an operating system. It's not an IDE. |
| 00:40.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: Being obtuse, it /is/ an IDE. |
| 00:41.02 | Dagmar | Whether or not most distros ship it kitted out with every compiler, interpreter, and editor known to man doesn't make a damn bit of difference. |
| 00:41.04 | batrick | Shirik: ^ |
| 00:41.11 | A-KO | so |
| 00:41.15 | A-KO | Sargeras |
| 00:41.25 | DWSR | Realm or lore character? |
| 00:41.25 | Dagmar | DWSR: yes, but we've already established you like to troll |
| 00:41.30 | A-KO | lore character |
| 00:41.32 | Shirik | batrick? |
| 00:41.35 | A-KO | he's behind the emerald nightmare :P |
| 00:41.36 | Dagmar | Linux is not an IDE. Period. |
| 00:41.40 | DWSR | Dagmar: s/like/love/ |
| 00:41.43 | DWSR | Dagmar: And yes, it is. |
| 00:41.46 | Dagmar | No, it's not. |
| 00:41.50 | batrick | Shirik: i just was alerting you to the lawls |
| 00:41.50 | DWSR | Yes, it is. |
| 00:41.55 | Dagmar | for one thing, an IDE seldom needs hardware drivers. |
| 00:42.02 | Shirik | I'm too busy with http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/218641725#218642137 (NSFW) |
| 00:42.03 | DWSR | Seldom, but not never. |
| 00:42.23 | Dagmar | DWSR: I'm right, and I'm pretty sure I've been using Linux longer than you. Agree with me and your life will be easier. |
| 00:42.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: Life's not about easy. |
| 00:42.58 | DWSR | If it was, hookers would live like kings. |
| 00:43.13 | Dagmar | Otherwise you're just an illogical step or two away from declaring Emacs to be a 24-bit graphics editor. |
| 00:43.28 | Dagmar | ...as well as an OS. |
| 00:43.28 | DWSR | What's wrong with Emacs? |
| 00:43.30 | batrick | hahahahhahahahhah |
| 00:43.32 | batrick | o man |
| 00:43.36 | batrick | i got Dagmar started |
| 00:44.00 | Dagmar | WTF is wrong with people who can't just say "Have you tried Eclipse?" |
| 00:45.09 | DWSR | Dagmar: Have /you/ tried Eclipse? |
| 00:45.17 | batrick | screen + vim == best IDE imo |
| 00:45.30 | batrick | o and gdb |
| 00:45.49 | Shirik | (20:43:22) (DWSR) What's wrong with Emacs? |
| 00:45.50 | Shirik | die |
| 00:45.52 | Shirik | diediediedie |
| 00:46.10 | DWSR | is Simultrolling. |
| 00:46.25 | batrick | shirik likes emacs |
| 00:46.30 | Shirik | lol no |
| 00:46.35 | Shirik | emacs is hard masked on my linux boxes |
| 00:46.36 | DWSR | By extension, he likes butterflies. |
| 00:46.37 | batrick | it's his favorite operating system after winblows |
| 00:46.54 | Shirik | !falsepositive 218642199 |
| 00:46.57 | Shirik | wrong channel |
| 00:47.09 | DWSR | He also fails. |
| 00:47.10 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 00:47.11 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:47.15 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:47.58 | batrick | that reminds me of a great office prank for coworkers who leave their terminal unlocked |
| 00:48.14 | batrick | echo "exec /bin/false" >> .bashrc |
| 00:48.17 | DWSR | batrick: I just make their desktop background midgit porn. |
| 00:48.40 | batrick | i like mine better |
| 00:48.41 | Dagmar | DWSR: I've actually used Eclipse a few times. Mainly when I was trying to work on someone's project and they didn't have a clue about code organization, or they just threw everything in the IDE to begin with and there was going to be no other way to sort it out |
| 00:49.14 | batrick | Eclipse fails being an IDE for the simple reason it has a notepad-like text editor |
| 00:49.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: So you know how fucking slow it runs. |
| 00:49.23 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yes, I do |
| 00:49.28 | DWSR | Cool. |
| 00:49.31 | Dagmar | ...but at least it's an IDE |
| 00:49.36 | DWSR | So's Linux. |
| 00:49.40 | Shirik | the only time I have liked eclipse is when I've written AspectJ code |
| 00:49.41 | Dagmar | No, it's not. |
| 00:49.43 | Shirik | beyond that, I've not been impressed |
| 00:49.45 | DWSR | I read it. |
| 00:49.48 | DWSR | It must be true. |
| 00:49.53 | DWSR | Linux is an IDE. |
| 00:50.06 | Dagmar | You read the writings of some crazy thai kid who's ingested too much bisphenol for his own good |
| 00:50.15 | DWSR | But it must be true. |
| 00:50.22 | DWSR | The internets wouldn't lie. |
| 00:50.29 | Taroven | ZorbaTHut: Finally got rid of Pidgin. Gogo bitlbee. |
| 00:50.45 | DWSR | ~whalenuke Taroven |
| 00:50.46 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Taroven with his mind powers. |
| 00:50.49 | DWSR | We shall leave no trace of Pidgin. |
| 00:50.59 | Taroven | DWSR: lawl. |
| 00:51.25 | DWSR | The fact that you shall die as well is acceptable losses. |
| 00:51.45 | Taroven | DWSR: In my defense, I was only using Pidgin in the first place because there are very few sane alternatives in linux. |
| 00:52.14 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.15 | DWSR | Kludge your own client together. |
| 00:52.51 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.54 | Taroven | DWSR: I'm still tempted to do that. Would be an interesting foray into libpurple, methinks. |
| 00:53.02 | DWSR | Much better. |
| 00:53.09 | DWSR | Perhaps we can give you a radiation suit before we whalenuke you. |
| 00:53.26 | Dagmar | If you're going to do something with libpurple, how about you check it for simple math errors |
| 00:53.29 | Taroven | Meh, I'll deal with the extra appendages. |
| 00:53.38 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.19 | Taroven | Never actually had serious issues with it. Pidgin is just fugly and I feel dirty every time it loads. |
| 00:54.26 | Dagmar | So reskin it |
| 00:55.04 | Taroven | There's only so much one can do with gtk theming without wrecking an otherwise lovely ui. |
| 00:56.05 | DWSR | Pidgin is awful. |
| 00:56.08 | DWSR | Mostly because, it's awful. |
| 00:56.10 | batrick | at least pidgin is configurable |
| 00:56.25 | DWSR | ~whalenuke batrick |
| 00:56.26 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around batrick with his mind powers. |
| 00:56.26 | batrick | i tried empathy and couldn't configure shit |
| 00:56.33 | DWSR | Supporting Pidgin is supporting the terrorists. |
| 00:56.43 | Dagmar | There is also always the option of pulling it's interface into Glade and fixing it |
| 00:57.21 | batrick | i think you can blame ost of the shittyness on all the different IM applications out there |
| 00:57.25 | Taroven | batrick: The only multi-protocol client I loathe more than Pidgin is Empathy. |
| 00:57.37 | batrick | so instead of bitching about pidgin maybe build and popularize a new IM client! |
| 00:57.53 | DWSR | batrick: That would be so.....useful. |
| 00:57.58 | DWSR | I would much rather troll. |
| 00:58.05 | Taroven | batrick: Considering that there are all of... what, 3? mainstream mutliprotocol IM apps for Linux... |
| 00:58.20 | batrick | pidgin works just fine for me |
| 00:58.29 | batrick | and its logs are mostly sane |
| 00:58.33 | batrick | so i can't complain |
| 00:58.42 | DWSR | insane in the membrane. |
| 00:58.46 | DWSR | INSANE GOT NO BRAIN |
| 00:58.50 | Dagmar | -fstack-protection |
| 00:58.53 | Dagmar | u needs it |
| 00:59.05 | DWSR | Is that like a condom for fstack? |
| 00:59.06 | batrick | zzz |
| 00:59.24 | batrick | i run pidgin in a vM |
| 00:59.26 | Dagmar | It sacrifices cute lil' canaries to keep you safe from Romanian kids |
| 00:59.41 | batrick | j/k |
| 01:01.36 | batrick | zzz |
| 01:01.43 | Dagmar | I like pidgin, but I won't run it |
| 01:02.05 | Dagmar | I'm not hanging that sketchy piece of work out there on the internet for anyone to fondle 24/7 |
| 01:02.20 | Dagmar | ...not without GCC's stack protection, AppArmor, and probably a VM as well |
| 01:03.51 | Dagmar | Stuff that's job is to stay on the internet and talk to strangers all the time is not stuff you can play fast and loose with |
| 01:04.08 | DWSR | Well. |
| 01:04.14 | DWSR | That's not /entirely/ true. |
| 01:05.57 | Dagmar | People leave apps like that running 24/7. It's a risk |
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| 01:09.10 | eidolarr | irssi + bitlbee works fine for me |
| 01:09.49 | eidolarr | it lets me aggregate all my real time chat logs nicely |
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| 01:11.08 | eidolarr | empathy is a pretty good super thin chat client though |
| 01:11.15 | DWSR | ~whalenuke eidolarr |
| 01:11.16 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around eidolarr with his mind powers. |
| 01:11.49 | DWSR | Anyone watch latest ZP? |
| 01:12.38 | eidolarr | what is it? |
| 01:13.06 | eidolarr | what game i mean |
| 01:13.07 | Dagmar | Sorry, I keep trying to and then I remember about I Hit It With My Axe |
| 01:13.23 | DWSR | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1610-Red-Steel-2 -- W.I.N. |
| 01:14.02 | eidolarr | i liked his coverage of dragon age but not bc2 |
| 01:14.14 | eidolarr | he shouldn't review primarily multiplayer games imo |
| 01:14.25 | DWSR | eidolarr: He should. |
| 01:14.30 | DWSR | Mostly because it's fucking hilarious. |
| 01:14.34 | DWSR | And he's right about BC2. |
| 01:14.57 | eidolarr | he's right about the single player |
| 01:15.02 | eidolarr | he didn't even mention the multiplayer |
| 01:15.10 | eidolarr | that would be like reviewing wow as a singel player game |
| 01:15.23 | Gintaro | wait what? |
| 01:15.30 | Gintaro | wow has a singleplayer mode/! |
| 01:15.38 | DWSR | eidolarr: I've played it. I agree with his review pretty much entirely. |
| 01:15.45 | DWSR | MW2, MW2, bang bang dead. |
| 01:16.33 | DWSR | And if you're going to tell me that "it's more team oriented", play MAG or TF2. |
| 01:16.35 | DWSR | It's not. |
| 01:17.03 | Arrowmaster | its actually less team oriented since you cant communicate between squads |
| 01:17.10 | Arrowmaster | i find that silly |
| 01:17.45 | Arrowmaster | only the squad vs squad modes are really team oriented |
| 01:18.04 | DWSR | Otherwise it's a MW2 rip. |
| 01:18.13 | Arrowmaster | its nothing like MW2 |
| 01:18.23 | Arrowmaster | takes entirely way too fucking long to kill people compared to MW2 |
| 01:18.24 | DWSR | Played a lot like it, to me. |
| 01:18.36 | DWSR | Well, yeah, but so? |
| 01:18.56 | Arrowmaster | but then again i only play hardcore in MW2, which is 2 shot kills mostly |
| 01:18.58 | Dagmar | So complain to the studio that you need more realism in the game |
| 01:19.09 | Dagmar | People should drop to the ground screaming after only 2-3 rounds in them |
| 01:19.41 | eidolarr | DWSR: I just watched the review again and it's completely about the single player campaign |
| 01:19.57 | eidolarr | accurate though it may be, that is not the focus of battlefield, nor has it ever been sold as such |
| 01:20.15 | DWSR | eidolarr: And as much as you seem to disagree, the review is almsot entirely applicable to either. |
| 01:20.38 | eidolarr | ??? your teammates have cliche war character personalities in multiplayer? |
| 01:20.41 | Arrowmaster | i bought bad company 1 entirely for the single player |
| 01:20.44 | Dagmar | Geez I didn't even notice he reviewed FF XIII |
| 01:20.45 | eidolarr | the enemy ai shoots you through smoke in multiplayer? |
| 01:22.14 | DWSR | eidolarr: Troll less. |
| 01:22.27 | Dagmar | Oh look at who's talking |
| 01:22.34 | DWSR | Shush you |
| 01:22.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont get how he can call bc2 a cover based shooter, there is no cover aspect in the game |
| 01:22.38 | DWSR | Linux is still an IDE. |
| 01:22.49 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: MW2, MW2, bang bang dead. |
| 01:23.02 | DWSR | ^ that pretty much sums up both his review and how the game plays. |
| 01:23.59 | eidolarr | BC2 might suck, i haven't played it, but the review shouldn't be solely about the single player |
| 01:24.15 | DWSR | 1) He does admit that it is and 2) Why the fuck not? |
| 01:24.29 | DWSR | Not everyone has a means to play it online? |
| 01:24.35 | Arrowmaster | he doesnt play multiplayer games with people other than friends in the same room |
| 01:24.38 | Dagmar | Might as well ask him to review the endgame in FF XIII |
| 01:24.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: He's right about the length of FF13. |
| 01:24.59 | eidolarr | Arrowmaster: i understand, but imo that's why he shouldn't review them at all |
| 01:25.05 | Dagmar | I'm JUST NOW able to change party members around |
| 01:25.10 | eidolarr | to my understanding he does it bc people say "wahhh wahh review this new game" |
| 01:25.11 | Dagmar | They have made it FAR too long |
| 01:25.34 | Dagmar | ...either that or trainer mode is spanning over half the damn game |
| 01:25.57 | DWSR | People say that you get out of the "intro" after about 20 hours. |
| 01:26.06 | Dagmar | That is a lie |
| 01:26.08 | Arrowmaster | from the sounds of this review which i hadnt seen before, bc2 pc and 360 versions seem a lot different, i never had the dust problem or the sniper view distance issue |
| 01:26.11 | Dagmar | It's more like 30 |
| 01:26.30 | DWSR | Dagmar: Meh, people get through the game at different rates. |
| 01:26.37 | Dagmar | Not this one they don't |
| 01:26.38 | DWSR | tbh, though, I probably wouldn't mind the length. |
| 01:26.57 | DWSR | Mostly because I'm really sick of games that are like, 6 hours start to finish |
| 01:27.01 | Dagmar | It's _entirely_ linear until you get to Gran Pulse, which is like 11-12 chapters in |
| 01:27.46 | Dagmar | Well, I stopped playing the last one when I found out I was going to have to grind 3-4 levels just to be able to beat the boss I was stuck on |
| 01:27.54 | Dagmar | In this one, the grind is baked in, end to end. |
| 01:28.04 | Dagmar | There's not even a little bit of petty larceny |
| 01:29.05 | eidolarr | actually |
| 01:29.06 | DWSR | Dagmar: Are the footsteps really loud? |
| 01:29.19 | eidolarr | Dagmar: he says it's NOT like that |
| 01:29.34 | eidolarr | one of the few places he praises FFXIII is in that you can't grind until you overpower bosses |
| 01:30.36 | eidolarr | i only played FF7 but i remember the only bosses in the whole game requiring strategy were ruby and emerald :P |
| 01:31.17 | Dagmar | eidolarr: He would be wrong about that acutally |
| 01:31.35 | Arrowmaster | i one shot one of those big bosses, ultimate i think it was? |
| 01:31.42 | Dagmar | There's *plenty* of places you can just turn back around and go re-kill the last 20-30 guys ovre again |
| 01:31.47 | Arrowmaster | oh and i two shot ruby i think |
| 01:32.02 | DWSR | He also doesn't say that. |
| 01:32.43 | Arrowmaster | counter-mantra + knights of the round |
| 01:33.22 | Dagmar | ...but mainly, for the first several hours you're just "roaming" down narrow canyons between giant mounds of trash, fighting stuff every 30-50 yards |
| 01:33.25 | Dagmar | Over and over. |
| 01:33.37 | DWSR | and over. |
| 01:33.39 | Dagmar | "exploration" such that it is, is merely "forward" and "back" |
| 01:33.59 | DWSR | 2.5D, Dagmar? |
| 01:34.02 | Dagmar | Occasionally you will encounter a fork in the path, which invariably rejoins the tract you were on before in about another 40-50 yards |
| 01:34.08 | Arrowmaster | wtf why does he show a cover image of eternal sonata in the ff13 review when talking about jrpgs, i didnt think he ever reviewed that game |
| 01:34.24 | DWSR | He hasn't. |
| 01:34.30 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Because it's a jrpg and he was probably about to review it |
| 01:36.17 | Dagmar | To um, make matters somewhat worse, for hte first 30 minutes or so a five year old could win at FF XIII |
| 01:36.24 | Dagmar | All they have to do is press X over and over. |
| 01:36.47 | Dagmar | They'll win each fight with a 5-star rating just by letting the game make the decisions |
| 01:37.45 | Dagmar | ...although since one of the protagonists friends is apparently a geisha of the hooker stripe who runs around in lace underwear and a ruffle, this might pose a problem for the teenaged boys out there |
| 01:37.50 | DWSR | Don't you mean A, Dagmar? |
| 01:38.14 | Arrowmaster | i might pickup FFXIII when it drops down to $29 or so, hell in japan new unopened copies were already selling for more than 50% off when it was released in the US |
| 01:38.20 | Dagmar | No, I mean 5-star. Only the japanese version uses the a-b-c-d-e rating system |
| 01:38.35 | Dagmar | When they convert it for us roundeyes, it's just a set of stars |
| 01:38.41 | Mikk | X key vs A key i think |
| 01:38.44 | DWSR | ^ |
| 01:38.57 | Dagmar | Only if you're a pervert who plays it on an Xbox |
| 01:39.02 | Mikk | haha |
| 01:39.39 | Dagmar | Me, I prefer to not have to swap discs like it's the 90s |
| 01:39.49 | Dagmar | (yes, I went there) |
| 01:40.30 | eidolarr | to be fair american rpgs have their fair share of problems too |
| 01:40.48 | Dagmar | Pedophilia typically isn't one of them. |
| 01:41.09 | Dagmar | "Snow... Um.. how old is that girl?" |
| 01:41.20 | Dagmar | I'd just like to see *one* person ask him that |
| 01:42.16 | eidolarr | i'm hoping bioware does something awesome now that they're freed of DND |
| 01:42.20 | eidolarr | dragon age is a great start |
| 01:42.42 | Dagmar | That was pretty much simplified D&D |
| 01:42.46 | Duman | no patch yet, keep your pants on |
| 01:42.54 | eidolarr | that's what it needs to be imo |
| 01:43.05 | Dagmar | Duman: Patch? |
| 01:43.11 | Duman | misfire |
| 01:43.30 | eidolarr | look at NWN, newbie can make the game nearly impossible for themselves with the wrong feats, even following the recommended ones |
| 01:43.53 | Dagmar | Not if they play to their strengths |
| 01:44.04 | Dagmar | Either way, that's one of the "hazards" of D&D |
| 01:44.09 | Dagmar | Stupid people die easily. |
| 01:44.37 | Dagmar | You can munchkin your way though it, sure, but you *have* to be smart about what you do or you'll die |
| 01:44.42 | eidolarr | nevertheless it's not fair to expect newbies to read the core rulebooks and study up powerbuilding |
| 01:44.50 | Dagmar | If you min/max the stats you can be an idiot and still probably complete it |
| 01:45.01 | Dagmar | eidolarr: It's called "being hard" |
| 01:45.01 | eidolarr | yeah a well built character will beat the game trivially |
| 01:45.44 | Dagmar | If they do things like throw snow cones at ice monsters or hack and slash on acid oozes with a big sharp sword, they deserve to die |
| 01:45.59 | Dagmar | This includes wizards who decide to melee |
| 01:46.02 | eidolarr | is dragon age on the hardest difficulty not hard? |
| 01:46.08 | eidolarr | or even on the default difficulty? |
| 01:46.19 | Dagmar | eidolarr: That depends on your viewpoint. |
| 01:46.19 | eidolarr | i'm talkinga bout roguse who never get weapon finesse because they don't understand ability modifiers |
| 01:46.37 | eidolarr | or who use longswords because they don't realize that it negates the bonus |
| 01:46.38 | Dagmar | I was playing DA:O on normal mode on a PC and having no problems because I'm a vicious bastard |
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| 01:46.48 | Dagmar | There are others who hang in here who were very much struggling |
| 01:47.17 | Dagmar | eidolarr: If they don't know what the red numbers mean they are not long for this earth |
| 01:48.05 | Dagmar | I suppose it's part and parcel of why so many people go from WoW to DDO and make asses of themselves |
| 01:48.08 | eidolarr | red numbers? i'm talking about understanding how an ability modifier is calculated, then understanding how it affects your attack bonus, then understanding the weapon classifications |
| 01:48.31 | Dagmar | eidolarr: All you really need to know is "rogues stab" and "rogues stab from behind" and "rogues hit people who can't hit back" |
| 01:48.42 | eidolarr | i'm talking about NWN here |
| 01:48.49 | eidolarr | where ironically rogues dont stab from behind lol |
| 01:48.52 | Dagmar | Yes, I've played NWN and NWN2 both. |
| 01:49.14 | Dagmar | You get flanking bonuses |
| 01:49.15 | Amarande | Dagmar: so people used to WoW deserve to die then? :) |
| 01:49.27 | eidolarr | not dependent on your position |
| 01:49.35 | eidolarr | you get those if the monster isn't targeting you |
| 01:49.36 | Amarande | after all, in WoW, you learn that ooze dies by the sword just like anything else that isn't immune to physical :) |
| 01:49.41 | Dagmar | Amarande: When they go to DDO and expect to just stand there and let the monster hit them while the cleric chain-heals? YES. |
| 01:50.38 | eidolarr | i found NWN and DA:O about equally hard toward the end |
| 01:50.42 | Dagmar | In D&D you learn very quickly that oozes aren't really bothered that much by slicing weapons, and that all you're doing is splitting them into many, many smaller oozes which can all nibble on you at once |
| 01:51.12 | eidolarr | yes but by then you can already have made crippling character chioces, again, even follownig the recommended button |
| 01:51.35 | Dagmar | Amarande: When DDO went F2P I went on a bit of a spree murdering former WoW players with a rogue at level 1. |
| 01:52.05 | Dagmar | ...and a wizard at level 1. |
| 01:52.08 | Dagmar | ...with a stick. |
| 01:52.24 | Dagmar | You absolutely don't "just stand there" in DDO |
| 01:52.33 | Adys | Uhhh |
| 01:52.33 | eidolarr | DA:O was hard because poor tactics could get you slain; NWN was hard because my character was a gimp because 30 gameplay hours ago i didn't understand will saves |
| 01:52.43 | Adys | wasnt there an addon that implemented that E.P.E.E.N thingy? |
| 01:52.51 | DWSR | Adys: Yes. |
| 01:52.51 | Adys | and if so how? |
| 01:52.54 | DWSR | Threat Plates. |
| 01:52.56 | DWSR | err. |
| 01:52.57 | Amarande | E.P.E.E.N ... |
| 01:52.58 | DWSR | Tidy Plates |
| 01:53.00 | DWSR | second. |
| 01:53.02 | DWSR | I'll find it. |
| 01:53.03 | Adys | yeah but |
| 01:53.04 | Adys | how? |
| 01:53.08 | Amarande | that sounds like it'll be some sort of Goblin invention someday |
| 01:53.11 | Amarande | or would that be more like the Gnomes |
| 01:53.12 | Arrowmaster | it just modifies the nameplates |
| 01:53.19 | Adys | so you need nameplates on |
| 01:53.20 | DWSR | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/tidy-plates-e-p-e-e-n.aspx |
| 01:53.23 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:53.26 | DWSR | yes |
| 01:53.28 | Adys | k phew :p |
| 01:53.53 | DWSR | link above. |
| 01:55.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: Goblins. Gnomes don't seem to have a problem with size |
| 01:55.53 | Dagmar | eidolarr: You don't need to win all types of saves |
| 01:56.18 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Even if your ability to detect an illusion is down there with Paris Hilton, all you need to do is smack 'em harder |
| 01:56.35 | eidolarr | not when they're shooting around shit like banshee wail |
| 01:56.57 | Dagmar | Offhand I'd say that's when you hire someone with a spine |
| 01:57.49 | eidolarr | my point is that it should be harder to hopelessly cripple your character, and that's what they've done |
| 01:57.54 | DWSR | No. |
| 01:57.57 | DWSR | It should be super easy. |
| 01:58.09 | DWSR | Elitism is perfectly fine. |
| 01:58.14 | Dagmar | You have hirelings for a reason. |
| 01:58.30 | Adys | thoughts on this please |
| 01:58.34 | Adys | what if glyphs could be learned |
| 01:58.46 | Adys | and you could switch some glyphs in a certain spec once every x hours |
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| 01:59.21 | DWSR | Pft. |
| 01:59.23 | DWSR | No. |
| 01:59.24 | eidolarr | Dagmar: the point of the hirelings is to complement the weaknesses of your class, not to carry gimps |
| 01:59.26 | Dagmar | I think we're already pushing the border of "having everything, all the time" |
| 01:59.28 | eidolarr | although that monk was pretty badass |
| 01:59.32 | DWSR | what Dagmar said. |
| 01:59.39 | DWSR | Though, I really want triple spec. |
| 01:59.42 | DWSR | tank tank PVP! |
| 01:59.57 | Dagmar | eidolarr: Just because you can't handle a banshee wail doesn't make your character a gimp |
| 01:59.59 | Adys | Dagmar: glyphs feel like something that could be learned |
| 02:00.13 | Dagmar | Being a complete TOOL can make your character a gimp tho |
| 02:00.17 | Dagmar | The game is hard because it's complex. |
| 02:00.29 | Dagmar | It's not hard because you can make bad life decisions. |
| 02:00.30 | Adys | haha. |
| 02:01.02 | eidolarr | yet the game itself isn't that deep compared to, say, DA |
| 02:01.05 | Dagmar | You might as well blame chess for being horrible because there's so many moves you can make that will lose the match before you've even gotten a good look at all the pieces |
| 02:01.59 | Dagmar | There's pretty much no such thing as class "weaknesses" in D&D aside from possibly the warforged and a few other minor cases |
| 02:02.24 | Dagmar | There's "things you do well" and a whole raft of "things you do about as well as the average barmaid" |
| 02:02.37 | DWSR | Is seduction in that repetoire?\ |
| 02:02.42 | Dagmar | (Warforged + rust monster == hilarity) |
| 02:02.58 | eidolarr | i don't know abuot that, but it's absolutely possible to gimp a char accidentally |
| 02:02.59 | Dagmar | DWSR: I can tell you've probably played with actual people before |
| 02:03.02 | eidolarr | especially like, bard |
| 02:03.18 | Dagmar | Dude if it weren't time consuming I'd beat that game with a bard just to show you |
| 02:03.40 | Adys | wow. |
| 02:03.41 | Adys | apparently |
| 02:03.47 | Adys | if you've completed specific dailies |
| 02:03.51 | DWSR | Dagmar: lol, the one time I played D&D, I actually got seduced by a chick. Mind you, we were drunk, but she was actually half decent looking. |
| 02:03.55 | Adys | they reset twice; once at 3am, once at 4am |
| 02:04.15 | Dagmar | Interesting |
| 02:04.29 | eidolarr | of course you can win with a bard, i'm not saying you can't |
| 02:04.49 | eidolarr | i'm saying that a new player can easily be dead out the gate with poor build choices because they don't understand the monster that is the DND ruleset |
| 02:04.49 | Adys | what happens i think is some dailies are set to reset at 3am and force the whole thing to reset at 3am then it resets normally at 4am |
| 02:04.50 | Dagmar | I just stay the hell away from them around that time because there's definitely a number of them that'll get you "twilighted" an won't reset for another 24 if you do them in that window |
| 02:04.59 | DWSR | eidolarr: D&D, if you don't mind. |
| 02:04.59 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: beat which game with a bard? |
| 02:05.10 | Adys | and also seems that it resets daily battleground |
| 02:05.10 | eidolarr | DWSR: i will try |
| 02:05.15 | Dagmar | eidolarr: dude I could pour on _strength_ on the bard and get away with it |
| 02:05.22 | Adys | so you can effectively get 50 arena points / day |
| 02:05.24 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: NWN |
| 02:05.40 | eidolarr | again, my point is not that YOU can win with weird or challenging builds |
| 02:05.51 | DWSR | IT's that you're bad? |
| 02:05.54 | alestane | As it happens, D&D players get horny like everyone else. |
| 02:05.56 | Adys | with a shitty 5v5 10match/week you can effectively get almost 1000 arena points a week |
| 02:05.57 | Dagmar | It's not a design flaw that people are allowed to suck. |
| 02:06.01 | Arrowmaster | bard probably isnt a good choice for a single player combat focused game but yeah its doable |
| 02:06.14 | Arrowmaster | bards are fun as hell in real D&D games though |
| 02:06.20 | DWSR | alestane: Yeah. |
| 02:06.22 | Dagmar | Frankly, I'd like to see WoW allow people to suck more |
| 02:06.38 | Dagmar | Then some of these kiddies woulnd't be completely talking out their asses about how much so-and-so stinks |
| 02:06.52 | Adys | you think |
| 02:06.54 | DWSR | Apparently D&D players have a debuff which makes RL alcohol a 100% to the effects of hormones. |
| 02:07.00 | Adys | wow allows people to suck as much as they want |
| 02:07.03 | Dagmar | dwsr: LOL |
| 02:07.06 | Adys | players just like to peen up |
| 02:07.12 | DWSR | Adys: No, it doesn't. |
| 02:07.12 | Dagmar | DWSR: You *have* seen I Hit It With My Axe, right? |
| 02:07.21 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 02:07.26 | Adys | yeah it does DWSR, you just happen to be one of those scrubs |
| 02:07.27 | Adys | :P |
| 02:07.34 | DWSR | Adys: lol |
| 02:07.43 | DWSR | Adys: I just quit my guild because they were bad. Nice people, but fucking fail. |
| 02:07.51 | Adys | course |
| 02:08.00 | Adys | here's how i see it |
| 02:08.00 | DWSR | Hey man, still wiping to BP with a 10% buff. |
| 02:08.05 | DWSR | That's fail. |
| 02:08.13 | Adys | you quit your guild because you weren't getting carried |
| 02:08.19 | DWSR | Only bosses people should reall be having trouble with should be PP, Sin, LK |
| 02:08.23 | DWSR | (on normal) |
| 02:08.30 | eidolarr | DWSR: there's a difference between "bad" and "unwilling to do hours of research before creating a character" |
| 02:08.44 | Dagmar | dwsr: Go in there without a bunch of people in 25-man gear and say that |
| 02:08.48 | DWSR | Adys: You're a macfag, so I'm pretty sure that your opinion about things being "easy" is invalidated by your choice of operating system. |
| 02:08.56 | Dagmar | heh |
| 02:09.08 | Adys | i dont see where that even comes from since ive never used macs |
| 02:09.12 | DWSR | Dagmar: People have been able to farm 264 gear from Frost. |
| 02:09.33 | DWSR | And people should be having complete sets of T10./ |
| 02:09.39 | DWSR | You can easily kill LK with all or mostly all 251. |
| 02:09.45 | Dagmar | DWSR: Really. How do you figure that |
| 02:09.56 | Amarande | DWSR: so basically you're saying that people should have been on every single day to do a random heroic? |
| 02:09.56 | Dagmar | How many days have passed since they implemented those |
| 02:10.09 | DWSR | Dagmar: Because I've done it. Twice. |
| 02:10.16 | DWSR | In less time than the instances have been released. |
| 02:10.29 | Dagmar | dwsr: Good for you. I go in there with people who have lives and thusly are not wearing all frost badge gear |
| 02:10.41 | Dagmar | Try it sometime with one frost piece and the rest T9. |
| 02:10.48 | Dagmar | They're not as fucking easy as you want to make it out to be |
| 02:10.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: You don't /need/ all frost badge gear, or even all 251 to get /most/ of the way to LK. |
| 02:11.03 | Adys | either way DWSR, the game allows people to suck, a LOT; heroics dont (somewhat) because thats the whole point of heroics |
| 02:11.04 | DWSR | I agree it won't be such a cakewalk, but it's not /hard/ either. |
| 02:11.05 | Adys | and man |
| 02:11.05 | Dagmar | dwsr: No but you DO need plenty of ToGC gear |
| 02:11.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: Some folks apparently miss the day when you had to treat WoW like a second job to see any content at all. :| |
| 02:11.09 | Amarande | I'm not sure why. |
| 02:11.13 | Adys | if you really want normal modes to be any easier |
| 02:11.25 | Dagmar | Amarande: Because I'm not allowed to hunt and kill them for sport |
| 02:11.26 | DWSR | No, I want normal modes to be harder. Significantly. |
| 02:11.28 | Adys | go play pacman with cheat codes or something |
| 02:11.31 | Dagmar | I'd do *that* every day |
| 02:11.48 | DWSR | Normal modes should brind back wipe nights. |
| 02:11.53 | DWSR | Hard modes should make you want to kill yourself. |
| 02:12.03 | Dagmar | If you wouldn't outgear the damn instance, you might find them to be a challenge |
| 02:12.07 | Adys | So lemme get this straight |
| 02:12.10 | Amarande | DWSR: you should try MMOs made in Japan, I guess :) |
| 02:12.15 | Adys | you quit your guild because it's wiping on normal modes |
| 02:12.16 | Adys | and then |
| 02:12.20 | Adys | you whine about normal modes being too easy |
| 02:12.26 | Dagmar | You might as well complain that Deadmines is too easy after you're level 30 |
| 02:12.41 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh. I died in RFC once on a 30 (solo, mind you) |
| 02:12.56 | DWSR | Adys: Yeah, because it's never something that I can control that causes us to wipe. Boss is always in the right spot, cooldowns are always popped, I'm doing 9k DPS, which is almost enough for /2/ people. |
| 02:12.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah I know it can happen,a nd I know how foolish one feels when it does happen |
| 02:13.07 | DWSR | Adys: Normal modes /are/ easy. |
| 02:13.10 | DWSR | People are bad. |
| 02:13.14 | Adys | so? |
| 02:13.30 | Dagmar | People like DWSR who have a deranged sense of what "hard" is |
| 02:13.38 | Adys | Yeah |
| 02:13.41 | Dagmar | Again I say, trot your happy ass in there with just 232's on |
| 02:13.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, yeah ... DWSR's idea of heaven is probably a game where every boss is as hard as Hitoshura and Satan :) |
| 02:13.52 | Dagmar | See how far your group gets and then come back and tell us it's so easy |
| 02:13.56 | DWSR | Adys: This is the LKs stronghold we're attacking here. Every scrub shouldn't be able to just walk in and drop stuff. |
| 02:14.01 | Amarande | And where the TRASH is as hard as Iseria Queen :) |
| 02:14.26 | Dagmar | dwsr: And yet every scrub who gets home from school and plays for three hours a night *does* go in there wearing full 251's |
| 02:14.29 | Adys | you know, Im starting to wonder.. why not |
| 02:14.34 | Adys | i mean |
| 02:14.40 | Amarande | goddamnit there are not nearly enough spitelash sirens in azshara tonight |
| 02:14.49 | Dagmar | dwsr: These last few sets of instances are still very rigid in what you can get awya with progression wise |
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| 02:14.57 | Adys | you've done pretty heroic shit in the past that "every damn 5man scrub" could do |
| 02:15.06 | Adys | old hillsbrad for example |
| 02:15.06 | Amarande | I'll be happy if I make it to Ulduar with my hunter. |
| 02:15.22 | Amarande | I've developed something of a longing for crazy cat lady's bow :S |
| 02:15.29 | DWSR | Dagmar: Not really. We downed ToGC beasts with tanks that weren't wearing avg 226. |
| 02:15.39 | Dagmar | Whoopity do |
| 02:15.41 | DWSR | You /can/ get away with a freaking ton. |
| 02:15.43 | Dagmar | One of your people was undergeared |
| 02:15.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: 2, and not just them. |
| 02:15.55 | Dagmar | You had 24 more people with too much free time to make up for it |
| 02:16.04 | Dagmar | ...and mainly only needed to worry about the healers being able to compensate |
| 02:16.14 | DWSR | Dagmar: You can't compensate for gibs. |
| 02:16.21 | eidolarr | i stand by eyonix |
| 02:16.25 | eidolarr | "Amazing. You have nothing to do now that people that aren't you have cleared Ulduar." |
| 02:16.35 | Dagmar | dwsr: So basically, now you're making the argument for me. It's not about skill, it's about *gear* |
| 02:16.38 | eidolarr | once you've cleared it you can complain about how easy it is |
| 02:16.52 | Dagmar | ...and you can get *gear* JUST by following the progression chain and showing up eveyr day |
| 02:16.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: what are your thoughts on groups that won't even let you do the raid unless you've already done the raid and got the achievement? :| |
| 02:17.08 | Dagmar | Amarande: That someday they'll have sex and none of it will matter anymore |
| 02:17.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: nah, then It Gets Worse |
| 02:17.23 | DWSR | Dagmar: The problem is that you're telling me that you need more gear than you really do. |
| 02:17.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: And that you /can/ get away with less, it's that it's hard. |
| 02:17.35 | Dagmar | I've been seeing people demanding 5k GS for freaking VoA on my server |
| 02:17.37 | DWSR | So yes, it's hard. |
| 02:17.43 | Amarande | then the day comes where us people with lives have to pay out extra tax money to support the ill-begotten children of the kids who taunted us in WoW of not having good enough geer |
| 02:17.48 | DWSR | Dagmar: lol, I've seen 5.5k on my server for VoA. |
| 02:17.50 | Dagmar | dwsR: No, if you go in there with less, you just die |
| 02:18.03 | Dagmar | Do the math on that orc and his damn bloodworms |
| 02:18.05 | Amarande | I snapped and told trade chat to boycott a raid leader who was demanding 6k, even though it was for ICC |
| 02:18.13 | eidolarr | Amarande: i understand that, but at the same time i understand smoeone who has only 30m to play not wanting to dick around and wipe because half the group is wearing greens |
| 02:18.20 | Dagmar | That fight is very, very dependent on DPS once you've managed to not get nibbled on by worms |
| 02:18.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: Beasts, and yeah, ICC has some hard gear checks. |
| 02:18.50 | Dagmar | ...because he's *going* to collect his blood points at a given rate regardless |
| 02:19.04 | DWSR | You can get him down with no marks if you're smart. |
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| 02:19.17 | DWSR | The achievement is amazingly easy. |
| 02:19.18 | Dagmar | Amarande: Who the eff has 6k GS? |
| 02:19.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: People who have mostly 264. |
| 02:19.25 | Dagmar | Does the freaking scale even GO that high? |
| 02:19.27 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 02:19.29 | DWSR | I've seen some. |
| 02:19.34 | Dagmar | I thought you had to be wearing BiS everything to get 6k |
| 02:19.48 | DWSR | That's around mostly 264. |
| 02:19.54 | Shirik | Pop quiz: |
| 02:20.03 | Shirik | Design a regular expression that matches things like the following: |
| 02:20.04 | Shirik | kl;sad hlksad lkfj;lkafdsf;jak fkjdklajlkgj adlfgjsad;lkgjrihajn gkajdslkfjwoqd;nsagadlsmv ;ariuriytakkkkkkjbk iuerajgbhjbsvsaklal fdhksiuwglgbabb qwerrituisjlanv,alalfh v |
| 02:20.12 | Dagmar | dwsr: Nothing about the orc is "easy" until you've overgeared him, dude. |
| 02:20.13 | DWSR | ..... |
| 02:20.31 | Dagmar | Shirik: [..?] |
| 02:20.45 | Shirik | ok, matches it without matching legitimate text |
| 02:20.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, it is. Never having done the fight before and only wearing average 226, you can kill him with less than 3. |
| 02:20.57 | DWSR | You don't need to outgear the instance. |
| 02:21.06 | DWSR | You just need to outperform. Where the performance comes from doesn't matter. |
| 02:21.08 | Shirik | this is a solved problem, I'm just curious to see what people come up with compared to mine |
| 02:21.16 | Dagmar | Dwsr: You're talking nonsense now |
| 02:21.24 | DWSR | I agree that you need to have a certain minimum of gear. |
| 02:21.30 | Dagmar | Either that or he's significantly easier in 25-man than 10-man |
| 02:21.39 | DWSR | He's a /lot/ easier on 10m. |
| 02:21.44 | Amarande | Yeah, some of these fools want people to be totally min-maxed BiS to do ICC |
| 02:21.49 | Dagmar | Even a moderate amount of latency makes those worms dodgy |
| 02:21.50 | DWSR | You can solo DPS the beasts and he gains BP a /lot/ slower. |
| 02:21.53 | Shirik | Another example that was caught: tyrf,glklrlk4gdfjlget4jj c54t4kl kt4 ;ykmt;we4 yt;s y5w hmtkre/m,f.bmer k4 ;krtdrtkl g;s tjkrtlgkmerltyuj34 ojsetoi jg jkxfg,h serkmfgkldmfl welcvk kl bs;ukmikukv mjgv mjhg jbv jhv f mjhgboo boo o o oo o boob |
| 02:21.54 | Amarande | ... but if you're min-maxed BiS, WHY DO YOU NEED INSTANCE LOOT |
| 02:21.55 | Amarande | derp |
| 02:22.08 | Dagmar | dwsr: What *are* you smoking |
| 02:22.11 | Shirik | I especially like the boob |
| 02:22.14 | DWSR | Dagmar: Nothing. He does. |
| 02:22.34 | Dagmar | You're not single-DPS killing those beasts wihtout hella overpowered gear without giving him LOTS of blood points |
| 02:22.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: Or having high burst classes assigned when they have roots. |
| 02:22.52 | Dagmar | Your'e absolutely not bringing someone in there to kill them before they've travelled thirty feet wearing only 226 |
| 02:23.18 | Dagmar | If you *root them* they *turn and hit whoeevr is handy* |
| 02:23.26 | DWSR | Unless you root them away from the melee. |
| 02:23.32 | DWSR | So you wait 2 seconds, root. |
| 02:23.35 | DWSR | reroot as required. |
| 02:23.36 | DWSR | Dead. |
| 02:23.40 | Dagmar | Unless that's been worked around by Blizz just for that fight, we've been down that road and it doesn't work |
| 02:23.41 | Amarande | wow, silent swearing DOES work |
| 02:23.52 | DWSR | You haven't. |
| 02:23.54 | DWSR | Because it works. |
| 02:23.55 | Amarande | Me: "Will you just drop the effing Some Rune already!" |
| 02:23.59 | Amarande | You receive loot: [Some Rune] |
| 02:24.34 | DWSR | You can get around lower gear by maxing your comp and by using different strats to bring bosses down. |
| 02:24.41 | DWSR | You can't zerg down Saurfang with low DPS levels. |
| 02:24.43 | Dagmar | blah blah blah |
| 02:24.58 | Dagmar | Say something that isn't axiomatic |
| 02:25.30 | kd3 | why are we bitching about icc again? |
| 02:25.33 | DWSR | Dagmar: How is that axiomatic? |
| 02:25.38 | Dagmar | "You can win by using the winning scenario" isn't much use |
| 02:25.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: Of course it is. Also, what doesn't work for you works for me. |
| 02:25.56 | Shirik | normally I try to avoid Adysness |
| 02:25.57 | Shirik | but http://www.explosm.net/comics/1935/ |
| 02:25.58 | DWSR | I've got plenty of Saurfang kills between both my toons. |
| 02:26.33 | Dagmar | Shirik: ROFL |
| 02:26.40 | DWSR | Dagmar: If you have a druid typhoon, then a shaman thunderstorm, THEN YOU LAY FROST TRAPS |
| 02:26.47 | DWSR | You aren't going to have much problem with beasts. |
| 02:26.51 | DWSR | For example. |
| 02:27.03 | Dagmar | That takes care of one worm. |
| 02:27.06 | Dagmar | Now what about the other. |
| 02:27.17 | DWSR | ? |
| 02:27.22 | DWSR | How the fuck are you only hitting one? |
| 02:27.24 | Dagmar | Oh and good luck getting the frost trap down in exactly the right place |
| 02:27.33 | DWSR | Typhoon hits all 5, thunderstorm hits all 5. |
| 02:27.38 | DWSR | Or both in 10m. |
| 02:27.57 | DWSR | Frost traps are a bit tricky, sure, but /meh/ |
| 02:27.58 | Dagmar | In 10m they have an irritating tendency to just go the hell around the traps and not set them off |
| 02:28.13 | DWSR | You have bad hunters. |
| 02:28.22 | Dagmar | The only reason you think these things are "easy" is that you're going in there with people who overgear the encounters |
| 02:28.22 | DWSR | Your hunters should be distracting shot them and drawing them right onto traps. |
| 02:28.35 | Dagmar | You can't *dO* that fool |
| 02:29.06 | Dagmar | There is simply generally not *time* to leisurely stroll back over there to drop the trap and then walk away from it |
| 02:29.51 | DWSR | 1) Disengage. |
| 02:29.58 | DWSR | 2) You don't drop traps when they spawn. You drop before. |
| 02:30.20 | Dagmar | To 1. Then it won't be there later when the thing is closing in on you |
| 02:30.30 | Dagmar | To 2. No shit really? I've been playin for years and didn't know that |
| 02:30.47 | DWSR | You can't possibly tell me there's not enough time, then. |
| 02:31.06 | Dagmar | I can assure you Deterrence won't get you out of it so if you don't have PLENTY OF ROOM you do *not* use Distracting Shot yet |
| 02:31.18 | Dagmar | yes I can because I'm one of the bloody hunters in my guild |
| 02:31.51 | Dagmar | The cooldowns and the rate those worms spawn mean you are, as a hunter, non stop running around just to keep traps down and the beasts from crawling all over your squishies |
| 02:32.14 | Dagmar | ...and I'm quite serious about Deterrence not doing a thing. |
| 02:32.25 | DWSR | You're not doing it right, man. It's easy. |
| 02:32.27 | Dagmar | Personally I think that's a bug but I've yet to hear of it being fixed |
| 02:32.53 | Dagmar | No, it's not easy. You're going in there with a whole lot more people which makes it a whole lot more forgiving, and half of you probably overgear it |
| 02:33.10 | DWSR | Of course we do. Now we do. |
| 02:33.20 | DWSR | Before we didn't. And before we didn't have the 10% buff. Or even the 5% buff. |
| 02:33.24 | Dagmar | And THAT is why you think it's easy |
| 02:33.46 | Amarande | Dagmar: which spec hunter, btw? |
| 02:34.00 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure that if you all downgeared to 232's you wouldn't be able to get that orc, let alone clear all the trash following him |
| 02:34.04 | Dagmar | Amarande: BM |
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| 02:34.52 | Dagmar | DPS not possible without gear, without DPS the worms come faster than they can be handled, without killing the worms the orc starts flushing people down the tubes |
| 02:36.31 | Dagmar | Smacking an orc in the face until he dies == easy |
| 02:37.05 | Dagmar | The gimmick in that fight is those worms, which make a very, very unforgiving lower limit |
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| 02:38.41 | Dagmar | Then again, this is probably the reason the kiddies all want impossibly high gearscores just to do anything |
| 02:38.52 | Dagmar | They don't just want to clear instances, they want it to be easy |
| 02:40.11 | DWSR | Dagmar: You can clear Saurfang with the achievement with everyone having under 5.1k on the gearscore meter. |
| 02:40.32 | DWSR | You could do that when he was released. |
| 02:40.53 | Dagmar | No shit, sherlock. I've done it |
| 02:40.56 | Dagmar | It was FAR from easy |
| 02:41.10 | DWSR | getting the achievement means it was easy. |
| 02:41.19 | Dagmar | I think *one* guy had more than 5k GS at the time |
| 02:41.38 | Dagmar | Everyone else was pimping badge gear because we never bothered with ICC |
| 02:41.43 | Dagmar | er ToGC |
| 02:42.47 | Dagmar | "getting the achievement means it was easy." <-- proof you're just talking through your hat |
| 02:42.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, the achieve is under 3 marks. |
| 02:43.03 | DWSR | You can get more than 3 marks. |
| 02:43.07 | DWSR | And still kill him |
| 02:44.18 | DWSR | !api combatlogclearentries |
| 02:44.18 | lua_bot | CombatLogClearEntries: Removes all entries from the combat log (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CombatLogClearEntries) |
| 02:44.41 | Mikk | !api CheckRaidIQ |
| 02:44.42 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'CheckRaidIQ'. |
| 02:44.44 | Mikk | =( |
| 02:48.32 | WobWork | http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/in-name-of-science-i-offer-my-boobs.html |
| 02:49.34 | kd3 | wtfs at /. |
| 02:49.41 | Amarande | good grief ... I made 4,000 fresh new Thorium Shells today and I'm down to less than half of them. :| |
| 02:49.43 | kd3 | they stole google's SSO mechanism? |
| 02:51.00 | Adys | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/technology/companies/20apple.html |
| 02:51.08 | Adys | The person who found the phone peddled it to Gizmodo, which bought it for $5,000, Nick Denton, chief executive of Gawker Media, which owns Gizmodo, said by instant message. |
| 02:51.12 | Adys | you have got to be kidding me |
| 02:51.27 | Adys | $5000? |
| 02:51.31 | kd3 | 5? I heard 10 earlier |
| 02:51.39 | kd3 | tabs open his feed reader |
| 02:51.39 | Adys | you could probably sell it on ebay for 20 times that price |
| 02:51.56 | Shadowed | $5k? |
| 02:51.58 | Shadowed | that sounds pretty cheap |
| 02:52.02 | Adys | Yeah |
| 02:52.19 | Shadowed | Gizmodo is likely making a stupid amount off of it in advertising |
| 02:52.24 | Shadowed | smart investment |
| 02:53.36 | Adys | ffs |
| 02:53.45 | Adys | i really need to bookmark my google openid url |
| 02:54.09 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_041910_225016.jpg <--- Worst. Placed. Ore Node. EVER. |
| 02:56.09 | DWSR | Win, imo. |
| 02:56.21 | Adys | hey |
| 02:56.21 | DWSR | btw. |
| 02:56.22 | Adys | shirik |
| 02:56.24 | DWSR | WTF @ your buttons. |
| 02:56.24 | Adys | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/2114251/SEC-Proposes-Wall-Street-Transparency-Via-Python |
| 02:56.59 | Adys | agreed, what is it with the micromenu in the middle of the screen? |
| 02:57.11 | Amarande | also, Azshara giants should be de-elited in the next patch. They are not WORTHY of elite status. :P |
| 02:57.14 | Amarande | Wimps. :) |
| 02:57.19 | Adys | eh |
| 02:57.21 | Adys | theyll disappear |
| 02:57.23 | Adys | in cata |
| 02:57.48 | Amarande | soo ... people who finished the love potion quest will become rare and very desired in BRD? :) |
| 02:58.50 | Amarande | as for the micromenu, that obeyed the principle of "wherever I can fit it without it interfering with other stuff" |
| 02:59.39 | kd3 | why even display it? |
| 02:59.47 | kd3 | doesn't think he's used his micromenu in a few years |
| 03:01.03 | Amarande | ehh, I still use some buttons from it |
| 03:01.10 | Amarande | at one point I used an addon to put it on the broker bar |
| 03:01.15 | Amarande | but that led to some unforeseen issues with taint |
| 03:02.23 | Dagmar | I guess I'm lucky I've not hit that then |
| 03:02.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: in particular, if you put the spellbook button on a broker bar |
| 03:02.50 | Shirik | Adys |
| 03:02.53 | Shirik | eat my +5 |
| 03:02.54 | Dagmar | I'm still using the micromenu as something that spawns as a submenu from that LDB thing |
| 03:03.10 | Amarande | Dagmar: you can't directly click any of the stuff in there (like if you want to use a rarely used skill that you don't put on your bar) |
| 03:03.17 | Adys | Shirik: i dont read slashdot comments, they're all stupid |
| 03:03.20 | Adys | especially the +5s |
| 03:03.22 | Shirik | no |
| 03:03.24 | Amarande | you have to find a spare bar spot to drag it to instead and then click it there, because otherwise you get a taint error |
| 03:03.26 | Shirik | +5 was my last game's KD spread |
| 03:03.26 | Dagmar | I never click anything from inside the spellbook anymore |
| 03:03.38 | Dagmar | I takes too long to find anything in there, for one |
| 03:03.50 | kd3 | just hits 'p' |
| 03:03.54 | DWSR | ^ |
| 03:03.56 | kd3 | or c, or n, or ... |
| 03:04.05 | DWSR | Haven't had my micromenu visible ever. |
| 03:06.53 | Amarande | bah, there is one thing that annoys me big time about Azshara, come to think of it |
| 03:07.10 | kd3 | the giant damned cliffs? |
| 03:07.13 | Amarande | yeah. the good old "now which goddamned cliff actually has a passage back up" problem |
| 03:10.37 | Shirik | Adys |
| 03:10.38 | Shirik | another +2 |
| 03:10.41 | Shirik | with a killing spree |
| 03:10.44 | Shirik | I will destroy you |
| 03:10.53 | Adys | i dont care |
| 03:10.53 | Shirik | and unlike Fisker's, my destruction will be virtually real |
| 03:10.54 | Adys | lalala |
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| 03:29.12 | mascondante | I've looked around google. I'm looking for an addon that works like Paranoia Enemy Player Alert but is current. Any suggestions? |
| 03:31.12 | Kraps | assassans creed 2 is great so far |
| 03:31.39 | Adys | So my wow sound crashed |
| 03:31.44 | Adys | I could still hear some bird sounds though |
| 03:31.51 | Adys | then i realized my window was open :/ |
| 03:38.53 | Shirik | what time is it? Game time huah! |
| 03:43.30 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 03:43.30 | purl | overclocks Shirik until Shirik burns out |
| 03:48.59 | Shirik | :< |
| 03:54.00 | Amarande | Extended maintenance this week? |
| 03:54.27 | Amarande | I'm being told the servers go down at 2300 Pacific instead of 0500 like usual |
| 03:55.29 | Shirik | tackles Cairenn |
| 03:55.37 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 03:56.25 | Thunder_Child | ~wowalert |
| 03:56.26 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 03:56.31 | Amarande | Evening Cairenn |
| 03:56.37 | Cairenn | hi Amarande |
| 03:56.38 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: nope |
| 03:56.46 | Shirik | lmao, I never actually looked at the code of http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/ |
| 03:56.47 | Shirik | it's amusing |
| 03:57.06 | Amarande | ... and why must the night I was planning to grab some gromsblood off the AH so I can finish [54] The Love Potion after curbstomping the elite giants be the NIGHT THERE IS NO GROMSBLOOD ON AH |
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| 04:08.15 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.3.x ToC: 30300 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Blizzcon 2010 Oct 22 & 23! | Eighty percent of success is showing up. |
| 04:08.47 | Shadowed | the other 20% is pretending you know what you're doing! |
| 04:10.29 | cog|away | Shirik: have you tried the 2010 verson of visual assist x? if so, is it crashing VS every time you look the other way and then some? -_- |
| 04:10.48 | Shirik | seems to work for me, but I'm still on RC |
| 04:12.48 | Shirik | lmao @ yesterday's XKCD btw |
| 04:13.22 | cog|away | so much for http://blog.wholetomato.com/2010/02/09/visual-studio-2010-sim-ship/ imo... the 2010 version is still pre-release, dated 4/6 |
| 04:13.40 | Shirik | doesn't matter to me |
| 04:13.55 | Shirik | if our experience with VS 2003 is any indicator, we won't upgrade until VS 2020 comes out |
| 04:17.50 | KarlKFI | lol. SC2 profiles are borked |
| 04:18.01 | KarlKFI | I ended up with Net.curse's profile |
| 04:19.06 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:20.21 | KarlKFI | the profiles and friends are all borked |
| 04:20.37 | KarlKFI | so you show up as someone else |
| 04:20.43 | KarlKFI | someone fucked up the indexes |
| 04:21.16 | Dagmar | Quick! Get in there and noob it up |
| 04:21.19 | KarlKFI | i assume Net.curse is the Net we know and love |
| 04:21.36 | KarlKFI | he seems to be ranked 14th in... bronze? |
| 04:21.46 | KarlKFI | with 1 career win |
| 04:23.06 | Shirik | lol |
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| 04:46.56 | cog|away | http://www.tetris1d.org/tetris.php |
| 04:47.58 | Corrodias | nice... |
| 04:54.15 | Shirik | lmao wtf |
| 04:56.46 | Arrowmaster | 25.6mil is the highscore, wonder how long that took |
| 04:57.15 | KarlKFI | just leave it going int he bg for days |
| 04:57.33 | Shirik | yeah lol |
| 04:57.37 | Shirik | I never shut off my computer |
| 04:57.39 | Shirik | should be fairly easy |
| 04:57.59 | Thunder_Child | till it restarts for no reason |
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| 05:48.54 | WobWork | ~wowalert |
| 05:48.55 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 06:06.09 | WobWork | hm |
| 06:06.18 | WobWork | does http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=April+20th+5:00:00+am+PDT+ show a local clock for everyone? |
| 06:07.09 | kd3 | atlanta, ga listed for me, so... yar |
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| 06:07.49 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: yep |
| 06:07.58 | WobWork | that's pretty awesome |
| 06:08.17 | WobWork | no more futzing around with timezone calculators |
| 06:08.45 | Amarande | remind me to regard Mal'Ganis as the lamest ass server on the battlegroup |
| 06:08.57 | Amarande | I even LINKED to the group I was doing this quest and they let the quest item pass me by |
| 06:09.03 | Thunder_Child | WobWork: it's not live though :( |
| 06:09.06 | Amarande | the boss went down like a regular mob and I never got to know |
| 06:09.17 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt do a countdown |
| 06:09.20 | Amarande | and all they tell me is "WAIT UNTIL 80 AND SOLO IT IF YOU WANT THE ITEM SO BAD" |
| 06:09.34 | Amarande | I really, REALLY don't want to do another XP suspension, but let's see ... |
| 06:09.36 | Dagmar | They're a little focused there |
| 06:09.38 | Amarande | I'm already 57 halfway to 58 |
| 06:09.56 | Amarande | I still have quests to do in Scholomance (some BoP BS plans you can't get unless you do the questline for the spectral essence) |
| 06:10.02 | Amarande | I have to go to Stratholme for 2 BS quests |
| 06:10.08 | Amarande | and I have to do the BRS BS quest |
| 06:10.26 | Amarande | that basically means ... I have to forget about questing at all while waiting for super long queues because I can't afford to go too high level? |
| 06:10.36 | Amarande | (no queue = no group for those three basically) |
| 06:10.49 | Thunder_Child | or go solo it at 80? |
| 06:10.59 | Amarande | T_C: it's not the same at 80 |
| 06:11.05 | Amarande | I solo 60 instances at 80 all the time on my warlock |
| 06:11.10 | Amarande | it's like doing a regular zone for the most part :| |
| 06:11.14 | Thunder_Child | Amarande: yes, it's just as pointless |
| 06:11.18 | kd3 | it's also 4 years in. things aren't the same now |
| 06:11.29 | Amarande | hell, if runecloth and greater eternals didn't sell so well I probably wouldn't bother with scholo as much as I do on the lock |
| 06:12.56 | WobWork | old but still good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ5VNXIiv1c |
| 06:14.18 | Amarande | why do so many people think only Icecrown Citadel matters anymore in WoW at all? |
| 06:14.27 | Amarande | "it's the latest content so it's the only one that really counts" :P |
| 06:14.37 | Arrowmaster | real men solo AQ40 trash on a warlock |
| 06:15.04 | kd3 | is still annoyed that he never got a red mount |
| 06:15.29 | Dagmar | Pssht get five other people who also want mounts and clear the place |
| 06:15.51 | Dagmar | The last time I went through there with 39 other 80's and got three colors |
| 06:15.54 | Amarande | great, no reasonable group will let me concentrate on getting the Snakestone, either |
| 06:15.58 | Amarande | because that boss KILLS pugs |
| 06:16.09 | Amarande | everyone's too concerned with surviving the healer being hexxed |
| 06:16.11 | Arrowmaster | what boss? |
| 06:16.20 | Amarande | Vosh'gajin |
| 06:16.30 | Amarande | I end up asking where she is, and they're like "oh dead 15 rooms ago" |
| 06:16.33 | Arrowmaster | in LBRS? |
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| 06:16.36 | Amarande | yeah |
| 06:16.48 | Amarande | sure, nobody bothers to help someone who forgot which bosses were L and which were U to know what boss I need to loot :P |
| 06:16.55 | Dagmar | Why would the healer be that close to Vosh? |
| 06:17.08 | Amarande | there's like 20 bosses in the place total, we're supposed to remember off the top of our heads |
| 06:17.09 | Amarande | oh wait |
| 06:17.10 | Arrowmaster | im trying to remember which one vosh is |
| 06:17.13 | Dagmar | Surely you know someone who is 80 |
| 06:17.13 | Amarande | it's EFFING MAL'GANIS PLAYERS |
| 06:17.21 | WobWork | wasn't he the hunter |
| 06:17.24 | Amarande | Dagmar: so I should have to expend 50-200g for a run? |
| 06:17.25 | WobWork | that frogged people? |
| 06:17.27 | Dagmar | She's a troll hunter yes |
| 06:17.33 | Dagmar | Amarande: Are you not even in a guild? |
| 06:17.37 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Shadow_Hunter_Vosh%27gajin |
| 06:17.38 | Amarande | Dagmar: there's only a few 80s |
| 06:17.45 | Amarande | and the one who helped me with BRD almost died in a couple of spots |
| 06:17.46 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 06:17.52 | Dagmar | You are kidding me |
| 06:17.53 | Amarande | that room is murder without a proper group with healer |
| 06:18.04 | Amarande | he was a warrior, with very little means of healing, and rushing it |
| 06:18.14 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 06:18.31 | Dagmar | Hunters are a bit more self-sufficient than that |
| 06:18.33 | Amarande | not to mention almost everything had to die, since I was a 50 hunter at the time with a ginormous aggro radius otherwise |
| 06:18.41 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: seriously that server has always been terrible, back in classic they opened up free transfers off of a bunch of day one realms that were overloaded and it resulted in mal'ganis being more overloaded than any of the servers people transfered from and there was tons of bitching |
| 06:18.59 | Amarande | Arrow: so basically I have to abandon my friends then if I don't want to have to solo the instance |
| 06:19.11 | Amarande | because the only way out of having to put up with Mal'Ganis douches is to transfer back to Quel'dorei or something? |
| 06:19.14 | Dagmar | Amarande: Wow. If I were on your server Id' help you just to show off |
| 06:19.15 | Arrowmaster | all the serious players on the overloaded realms already knew what would happen and stayed on their realms |
| 06:19.17 | Amarande | (only other server where I really know any Horde folks) |
| 06:19.37 | Amarande | lemme guess ... serious players also do not bother to complete their recipe lists |
| 06:19.46 | Arrowmaster | so basically mal'ganis ended up being the pool of shitty players too stupid to know not to transfer |
| 06:19.46 | Amarande | but only concern with forging forward to afford and get the 450 recipes |
| 06:19.47 | Dagmar | Well, depends on what they're serious about |
| 06:20.11 | Amarande | (or is the point that serious players who *really* know what they're doing already *had* the 300 recipes back in 2005 when I should have started WoW?) |
| 06:20.20 | Dagmar | I've nearly got all the leatherworking patterns aside from the Ashen ones and whatever might be in Black Temple or that place on the Island of Free Money |
| 06:20.33 | kd3 | points back to his line about '4 years ago'... |
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| 06:21.00 | Arrowmaster | i have every tailoring recipe except the TBC BoP drops and some extremely rare low level green BoE drops |
| 06:21.37 | Dagmar | Amarande: Hmm... You being horde is a problem |
| 06:21.50 | Dagmar | I was going to say to holler out for a DK who wants to raise their Ironforge faction a bit |
| 06:21.59 | Amarande | my buddies are all horde though ... Alliance would be a lonely place |
| 06:22.40 | Arrowmaster | mumbles about still not being able to see straight after 10 hours |
| 06:22.41 | Dagmar | You talk to the dwarf king, he asks you to save his daugther who is foolin' around in BRD, you plow through to the end, kill him with her an in ice trap or something, and get faction |
| 06:23.01 | Dagmar | Perfect excuse for someone to take you through BRD |
| 06:23.19 | Dagmar | ...spesh for a DK because the AoEs packs are delicious |
| 06:23.21 | Amarande | however, I don't need BRD anymore (until I have all the stuff to turn in for thorium brotherhood) |
| 06:23.27 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i did the horde version of that quest |
| 06:23.37 | Arrowmaster | much harder |
| 06:23.40 | Amarande | I need BRS, which seems to be considered a Scrappy Dungeon no one wants to do |
| 06:23.46 | Amarande | and now it's 2:23am and NO ONE is queuing anymore |
| 06:23.54 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: How could it be harder? |
| 06:24.00 | Amarande | wonder if I got put on too many ignore lists after I chewed out the M'G guys and will never get a group again on this character :| |
| 06:24.17 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: The last time I went in there on my hunter I barely even slowed down all the way to the king |
| 06:24.25 | digmouse|work | I have 2 BRD runs @ 58 which we killed the princess first |
| 06:24.33 | Dagmar | Hell, I *sat* down and let the monkey handle the seven spooky dwarves for me. |
| 06:24.34 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: long ass questline where you need to do something in BRD then go back to Kargath, then back to BRD, and repeat a few times |
| 06:24.38 | Amarande | (is that true btw, that if any players in the queue pool are on the ignore list of other players on the queue pool, it will avoid putting those players together -even if- it means no group for anyone?) |
| 06:24.38 | digmouse|work | failed to pull the princess over |
| 06:24.54 | Dagmar | Hehe it happens |
| 06:24.57 | kd3 | Amarande, yes |
| 06:25.10 | Amarande | kd3: that sounds like a feature easily exploited for griefing then |
| 06:25.26 | Amarande | the largest server on a battlegroup can basically gatekeep who gets to queue for the most part :P |
| 06:25.32 | Dagmar | Sadly, I know about the quest because I went in there and saw her before I killed everyone and thought maybe she was related to the king of Ironforge, so I went and talked to him. |
| 06:26.03 | Dagmar | "Oh... Ye say ya want me to rescue your daughter do ye? Umm..." |
| 06:26.11 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: if everybody in the party has done the quest its a different mob there instead of her |
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| 06:26.22 | Amarande | I wonder if my rage just put me in the unenviable position of having to pay $200 for server transfers to keep everything I have and still get to do this dungeon :| |
| 06:26.25 | Arrowmaster | ive only seen that once |
| 06:26.46 | Amarande | like ... I'm never going to be able to queue again on this character on Stormstrike or something |
| 06:26.56 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: i took the cheap way, instead of transfering 10 characters i quit the game and canceled my account |
| 06:27.14 | Amarande | would pissing off 3 Mal'Ganis players be basically a guaranteed ban from the queue? |
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| 06:29.05 | Amarande | or, more seriously, any sort of major social schism between two servers basically guarantees that the 60 instances are no longer queuable? |
| 06:29.28 | Amarande | since the thing will never be able to assemble a group without hitting the "oops, someone's on ignore ... can't put them together" for all combinations? |
| 06:29.38 | Dagmar | Weeeiiird |
| 06:29.38 | Dagmar | I'll have to go back and see if that actually happens |
| 06:29.38 | Dagmar | Last time I went in solo I tried to clear the entire final room in one pull to see if I could get away with it, and the king and whatever else was with him wound up in it |
| 06:29.39 | Dagmar | I won't even loot that room anymore |
| 06:29.40 | Dagmar | I've beat the place, and it's wayyy too much clicking |
| 06:30.15 | Dagmar | Oh now that I'm looking at the Wowwiki page I know something that makes that troll woman memorable.. |
| 06:30.25 | Arrowmaster | ever get his hammer? |
| 06:30.27 | Amarande | I can't even quest while I'm waiting |
| 06:30.42 | Dagmar | She turns me into a frog REPEATEDLY when I go in there |
| 06:30.43 | Amarande | because Mal'Ganis idiots will let your pet die and then you teleport back out of the dungeon into aggro and are lucky to live to hearth |
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| 06:31.12 | Dagmar | You let your pet stay dead? |
| 06:31.25 | Dagmar | I just don't cross zones without my pet. |
| 06:31.26 | Amarande | Dagmar: didn't seem to be worth rezzing him the way the MG assholes were playing, he'd just keep dying again |
| 06:31.38 | Dagmar | You're what spec? |
| 06:31.47 | Amarande | then I was too busy chewing them out for not considering party members' quests to remember exactly where I'd warp back |
| 06:31.51 | Amarande | MM. |
| 06:32.06 | Dagmar | Oh, okay |
| 06:32.39 | Dagmar | Unless you *want* to level as MM, I'd just dual-spec as soon as possible |
| 06:32.45 | Amarande | and why are there so damn few TANKS around? |
| 06:32.52 | Dagmar | Because tanking is hard |
| 06:32.56 | Amarande | is tanking really much less rewarding now fun-wise than I remember it being leveling a prot pally in BC? |
| 06:33.06 | Dagmar | ...and idiot DPS love to give them shit about not being able to maintain threat when they oevrburn |
| 06:33.10 | Dagmar | It's freaking annoying |
| 06:33.10 | Arrowmaster | MM is fucking awesome for leveling at some areas |
| 06:33.29 | Amarande | well, you blame THAT on the idiot group leaders who are like "X DPS OR YOU ARE OUT" |
| 06:33.43 | Arrowmaster | 1k needles level range, i remember fucking 2 shotting everything as MM |
| 06:33.44 | Dagmar | I've never kicked people unless they did just *absurdly* low DPS |
| 06:33.55 | Arrowmaster | my friend was fucking pissed as hell when he was on his alt with me |
| 06:33.56 | Amarande | great, queue popped while I was talking and I missed it |
| 06:34.00 | Amarande | now I'll never get into the dungeon tonight |
| 06:34.04 | Amarande | especially with maint impending :| |
| 06:34.17 | Amarande | wtf do they do that needs SIX HOURS every week? |
| 06:34.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: Backing up MASSIVE databases |
| 06:34.35 | Arrowmaster | replace the dead hamsters |
| 06:35.13 | Dagmar | I used to technically know what was involved because I did admin stuff, but now I'm really sure they need that much time because I work in a damn NOC |
| 06:35.23 | Dagmar | I'm one of the guys who gets to run around like mad during those times |
| 06:35.46 | Amarande | bah, they can't find a backup system that doesn't require it be taken down? |
| 06:36.01 | Amarande | that's as lame as how when they download the time card data from the time clock at work they have to lock it out and make people late if it's near an hour |
| 06:36.20 | Dagmar | They have a database which has to be taking up about a rack's worth of disks _at least_ |
| 06:36.25 | Dagmar | This is *not* something you back up quickly |
| 06:36.55 | Dagmar | Plus this is probably ALSO the only time they have to actually mess with cabling, replacing failed switches, testing segments, etc etc |
| 06:37.11 | Dagmar | You can't just go in there and start disconnecting stuff while a system that large is "in flight" |
| 06:37.25 | Dagmar | That's how you learn about how to claim unemployment. |
| 06:37.51 | Dagmar | Statistically speaking, stuff *does* break all the time when you have enough of it |
| 06:38.05 | Dagmar | We lose about a NIC every two weeks on average as it is |
| 06:39.36 | Dagmar | You can buy 2U's from IBM and stuff two extra network cards in them and have triple redundant network paths, but once one fails, all that gets you is that the system doesn't _fall over_. You still have to at some point stop that machine to replace it. |
| 06:40.54 | Dagmar | ...and as much as the marketing propaganda would have you believe avbout their products, I've yet to see a VM system that could be guaranteed to flawlessly mass-migrate things off of it yet |
| 06:41.22 | Arrowmaster | which is why always on stuff like mmo servers should have physical backups that can seemlessly take over |
| 06:41.44 | Dagmar | Yeah but there's still an ongoing regular amount of work you just _have_ to do on these things |
| 06:42.32 | Dagmar | I know I won't get an answer but I'd love to know the number of racks they've got on the west coast |
| 06:42.45 | Amarande | Besides (regarding waiting till 80) ... Who knows with the accelerated Cata release schedule there seems to be |
| 06:42.50 | Amarande | this content might not even BE there when I hit 80 |
| 06:43.53 | Dagmar | Ah but there'll be a whole slew of other things to do then |
| 06:45.10 | Amarande | they should remove the upper level limit for queuing |
| 06:45.14 | Amarande | we'd get a LOT more groups that way |
| 06:45.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: While I agree that there is a ton of regular maintenance they do, the problem is that it's BS that they need the time /every/ week. |
| 06:45.49 | DWSR | Dagmar: Until recently, we only have maintenace every /other/ week. We would get rolling restarts the other times. |
| 06:46.07 | DWSR | So if they're /strictly/ doing maintenance, they don't need the time. |
| 06:48.29 | Dagmar | You're assuming that everything always goes as planned, that everything that was diagnosed previously was correct... |
| 06:48.36 | Dagmar | Simply put, "shit happens" |
| 06:48.42 | DWSR | Dagmar: Of course. |
| 06:48.51 | DWSR | Shit doesn't /always/ happen. |
| 06:49.01 | DWSR | Hence why we occasionally get rolling restarts as opposed to full maint. |
| 06:50.18 | DWSR | These people are getting paid a pretty tidy sum of money to keep the game working every week. Shit should happen infrequently at most. |
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| 06:53.14 | DWSR | And by infrequently I mean "never outside of patch week" |
| 06:54.36 | Shadowed | I wish I could be as delusional as you |
| 06:54.59 | Shadowed | and live in a world where a complex stupidly popular MMO has everything go 100% fine |
| 06:55.15 | DWSR | Shadowed: I'm talking strictly maintenance. If they're changing things behind the scenes, which obviously they are from time to time, things are different. |
| 06:55.17 | Dagmar | It's more work than you know. |
| 06:55.21 | WobWork | I'm actually impressed that they don't go down more often |
| 06:55.23 | DWSR | Shadowed: But downtime should be pretty minimal if notihng is changing. |
| 06:55.26 | Shadowed | Simply put |
| 06:55.27 | DWSR | nothing* |
| 06:55.29 | zenzio | I have to agree with DWSR if it's *just* maintenance |
| 06:55.41 | zenzio | things like taking down the server because the fans in the server room died is fine |
| 06:55.43 | DWSR | [02:46:06] <DWSR>So if they're /strictly/ doing maintenance, they don't need the time. |
| 06:55.49 | Shadowed | Nobody actually knows what they are doing behind the scenes, so any actual comments is pretty much worthless |
| 06:55.49 | Dagmar | HAHAHAHA |
| 06:55.53 | Dagmar | Fans in a server room |
| 06:55.54 | Dagmar | lol |
| 06:56.00 | DWSR | ^ |
| 06:56.05 | zenzio | Dagmar: you get the idea :-p |
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| 06:56.13 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure they aren't hiring incompetent people to run the servers |
| 06:56.16 | zenzio | I just wanted to say something before you all scrolled past |
| 06:56.18 | DWSR | Don't server rooms use like...actual refrigeration? |
| 06:56.24 | zenzio | yes, they do |
| 06:56.28 | DWSR | Yeah, thought so. |
| 06:56.33 | DWSR | anyway. |
| 06:56.36 | Dagmar | zenzio: We have um... twelve units at work the size of minivans, dude |
| 06:56.50 | WobWork | do you pick up small children with them? =\ |
| 06:57.02 | zenzio | but at least some of the realms on the... Frankfurt? data center had to be taken down once while I was playing (with a 15-minute warning) because the cooling didn't work after the host had performed maintenance |
| 06:57.12 | zenzio | didn't last long, but still |
| 06:57.12 | Dagmar | We could *freeze-dry* small childen in bulk with them if we turned off all the servers. |
| 06:57.24 | DWSR | Shadowed: Yeah, as I prefaced my opinion with it based on the fact that we're talking about strictly maintenance. |
| 06:57.51 | Shadowed | Even then, it's entirely possible that things come up during maintenance that require something more extensive or a restart etc |
| 06:57.53 | DWSR | Shadowed: Also, having a ~100% uptime is something that sites like eBay do all the time, so I can't imagine that Blizzard hasn't thought about it. |
| 06:57.59 | Shadowed | uh |
| 06:58.11 | Dagmar | eBay makes CRAPLOADS more money |
| 06:58.14 | Shadowed | an MMO isn't really the same thing as say, eBay |
| 06:58.32 | krka | 100% uptime is hard and expensive |
| 06:58.36 | DWSR | Of course it is. |
| 06:58.42 | WobWork | it's also probably easier for ebay to have fallbacks |
| 06:58.43 | krka | 95% is much easier to maintain :) |
| 06:58.46 | Shadowed | what WobWork said |
| 06:59.07 | Dagmar | There's only so much redundancy you can build into a system tho and currently they're *stilL* working on getting database speed back up |
| 06:59.13 | krka | i wouldn't recommend anyone going for 100% uptime if it wasn't a really important requirement |
| 06:59.23 | DWSR | This week they're doing database maintenance, right? |
| 06:59.24 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure they're taking a long time each week because they are adding and upgrading that bit of infrastructure |
| 06:59.31 | DWSR | s/maintenance/upgrades/ |
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| 06:59.37 | Shadowed | WoW has a much more extensive DB structure too compared to ebay |
| 06:59.40 | Shadowed | and complicated |
| 06:59.50 | Dagmar | ...and you can't just throw disk at that and make the problem go away |
| 07:00.02 | DWSR | Dagmar: Of course you can. You just aren't throwing enough disks at it. :P |
| 07:00.10 | WobWork | hehe |
| 07:00.20 | Dagmar | DWSR: You are saying this to someone who works in a datacenter. A large datacenter. |
| 07:00.30 | WobWork | MORE DISCS |
| 07:00.34 | DWSR | It was a joke, relax. |
| 07:00.42 | Dagmar | We have racks and racks and racks of disks |
| 07:00.43 | Fisker | i came WobWork |
| 07:00.46 | DWSR | Notice the >> :P << at the end of it. |
| 07:00.56 | WobWork | Fisker: more discs. not dicks |
| 07:01.00 | Shadowed | If theres one thing I've learned about doing DB work even on something relatively simple like EA |
| 07:01.06 | Shadowed | is DBs are always a pain in the ass |
| 07:01.10 | DWSR | Shadowed: Yeah, verily. |
| 07:01.13 | Shadowed | and usually more so than you would originally think |
| 07:01.32 | WobWork | DBs are always painful |
| 07:01.40 | DWSR | Also, I imagine Blizzard has done these changes on a testbed before they implement anything live, blah blah blah. |
| 07:01.52 | WobWork | There is no such thing as a balance between efficient and expandable =P |
| 07:01.56 | Shadowed | Testbeds are never really the same as production |
| 07:01.59 | DWSR | Of course. |
| 07:02.06 | DWSR | My point: Blizzard doesn't need all of the time every week. |
| 07:02.17 | WobWork | DWSR: they probably take it in -case- they need it |
| 07:02.20 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 07:02.21 | DWSR | Most likely. |
| 07:02.40 | Shadowed | It also has the bonus of people getting a little surprise if they come up early |
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| 07:03.01 | Shadowed | More goodwill generated from a maintenance that finishes early than underestimating and having to extend |
| 07:03.07 | DWSR | ^ |
| 07:03.21 | zenzio | doesn't always work that way though |
| 07:03.25 | DWSR | imo, they should just bring up battlegroups as soon as they're done with them. |
| 07:03.51 | zenzio | once, after scheduled downtime on Anarchy Online, a guy cam on IRC asking why the servers were up early, shouting that Funcom "LIED!!!" about when they were coming back up |
| 07:03.51 | DWSR | Since I'm sure that they don't work on every battlegroup simultaneously for the whole time unless it's a big change. |
| 07:05.15 | krka | zenzio: most likely, the guy was annoyed that others started playing before him |
| 07:05.22 | Fisker | Does xbawks have issues with DTS? |
| 07:05.26 | DWSR | yes |
| 07:05.33 | Fisker | typical |
| 07:05.37 | DWSR | xbawks has issues with HD as well. |
| 07:05.44 | Fisker | works fine here |
| 07:05.45 | zenzio | krka: yes. When AO servers came up, all 18h 20m spawns spawned |
| 07:05.50 | Fisker | But it doesn't play files with DTS |
| 07:05.53 | zenzio | so peopel were always racing to get them |
| 07:05.53 | Fisker | which sucks |
| 07:05.56 | zenzio | *people |
| 07:11.14 | Amarande | gaaaaarrgghhh. |
| 07:11.21 | Amarande | no queue pop for lbrs. no queue pop for strat. |
| 07:11.43 | DWSR | queue for a random dude. |
| 07:14.44 | Amarande | a random which has a one in four chance of being the one I need |
| 07:14.45 | Shirik | I know some people here know H.264 well. Does anyone know if it's true that there is additional compression applied to the corners of a video? |
| 07:14.51 | Amarande | (really, zero in four, because no one is doing LBRS :P) |
| 07:14.55 | Shirik | I just noticed a video that appears to be more lossy at the corners than everywhere else |
| 07:15.01 | Amarande | but a four in four chance of getting me experience points |
| 07:15.08 | Amarande | which I ought to avoid gaining unnecessarily right now |
| 07:15.21 | Torhal | Amarande: So you're going to spend more time lamenting about not being able to get into the one you want instead of actually maybe getting into the one you want by pulling randoms. |
| 07:15.23 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:15.30 | Torhal | Ah |
| 07:15.30 | DWSR | Is it bad that I avoid overhealing a tank in SM Lib? |
| 07:15.35 | Torhal | Can't you turn experience off now? |
| 07:15.38 | Amarande | Torhal: the one I want *is* eligible as a random |
| 07:15.46 | Amarande | but I'm pretty sure that if no one is queuing for LBRS |
| 07:15.48 | DWSR | Like, I'm letting him drop to like 500 health before I even drop hots because he's taking so little damage. |
| 07:15.54 | Amarande | that if I queue for a random, there's zero chance of it *being* LBRS, either |
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| 07:16.22 | DWSR | Why do you /need/ LBRS? |
| 07:16.23 | Amarande | since I'm pretty sure queuing for a random just slots you in wherever they need you in an existing queue for a yellow dungeon |
| 07:16.49 | Amarande | DWSR: I have a Blacksmithing quest there |
| 07:16.49 | DWSR | .................................................................................................... |
| 07:16.49 | Amarande | things went sour on Vosh last time, and I never got the snakestone |
| 07:16.49 | DWSR | Get an 80 to run you |
| 07:16.55 | DWSR | You have friends, surely. |
| 07:17.01 | Amarande | DWSR: I also don't have a thousand gold pieces to blow on a run, and the guildies aren't on this time of night |
| 07:17.10 | DWSR | a thousand wtf? |
| 07:17.14 | DWSR | I'd run you through LBRS for like 50. |
| 07:18.56 | DWSR | anyway, nn |
| 07:21.29 | WobWork | who charges 1k gold for a LBRS run? |
| 07:21.36 | WobWork | why not just say "No" |
| 07:24.50 | Torhal | WobWork: Are you seriously asking a douche to NOT be a douche? |
| 07:24.54 | Torhal | :D |
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| 07:30.24 | Adys | Whats the best way to make sure a character knows a specific tradeskill (Mining, Herbalism, Skinning or Engineering)? |
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| 07:31.47 | haste | Adys: just scan the characters skill list, and check for the header |
| 07:31.55 | haste | then fetch everything under until the next header |
| 07:32.05 | Adys | what's the skill list living at? |
| 07:32.08 | Adys | !api skill |
| 07:32.08 | lua_bot | Found 67 possible matches for 'skill'. Please be more specific |
| 07:32.09 | haste | the name of the header is in global strings as well |
| 07:32.20 | haste | it's the one you have in the character palnel |
| 07:32.32 | Adys | i meant is there a function for it :P |
| 07:32.57 | haste | check the framexml :P |
| 07:33.01 | Adys | meh |
| 07:33.16 | haste | !api SkillLine |
| 07:33.17 | lua_bot | Found 9 possible results for 'SkillLine': GetTrainerSkillLines, ExpandTrainerSkillLine, GetNumSkillLines, GetSkillLineInfo, CollapseTrainerSkillLine, GetTradeSkillLine, SetTrainerSkillLineFilter, GetTrainerServiceSkillLine, GetTrainerSkillLineFilter |
| 07:33.19 | haste | thar |
| 07:36.27 | WobWork | Torhal: yes! |
| 07:37.57 | Torhal | WobWork: Good luck with that! |
| 07:38.58 | Torhal | URK |
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| 07:40.02 | Adys | Torhal: "Are you seriously asking a douche not to be a douche" |
| 07:40.02 | Adys | :p |
| 07:40.35 | Adys | shakespeare would have been taken less seriously had he said "To be, or to not be" |
| 07:41.21 | Elkano | if Shakespeare would have been a computer scientist, he would have just said: FF |
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| 07:41.56 | Elkano | ( 2B | !2B ) |
| 07:42.11 | Shirik | thwacks Elkano for stealing his signature |
| 07:42.18 | Shirik | also, that's wrong |
| 07:42.25 | Shirik | he wrote it as a regex |
| 07:42.30 | zenzio | no he didn't |
| 07:42.35 | zenzio | people need to stop being "funny" about those |
| 07:42.56 | Adys | agreed, that got old a years before firefox even did |
| 07:43.17 | Shirik | hey |
| 07:43.18 | Shirik | hey |
| 07:43.29 | Shirik | for the record, I set this signature 2-3 years ago, ok |
| 07:43.41 | Shirik | and because it is still in my signature, it is still awesome |
| 07:43.43 | Adys | thats already long after firefox started being dinosaury |
| 07:43.45 | Shirik | by definition |
| 07:44.25 | Shirik | Adys, you need to get an xbox |
| 07:44.33 | Adys | hell no |
| 07:44.39 | Shirik | hell yes |
| 07:44.40 | Adys | i dont like non-handheld consoles |
| 07:44.42 | zenzio | the main problem about the regex joke is that as a regular expression, it would make no sense |
| 07:44.52 | Adys | im not really fond of handheld consoles either though |
| 07:44.56 | Shirik | why not? |
| 07:45.00 | Shirik | @ zenzelezz |
| 07:45.04 | Shirik | well @ Adys too |
| 07:45.12 | Adys | i like having total control over electronic devices |
| 07:45.21 | Shirik | and you don't have control because...? |
| 07:45.24 | Torhal | I think it's really awesome when someone decides they are going to download Alpha versions of ARL and write a comment like this: "I really don't get why this mod is updated like 8 times a day. I get making changes and enhancements, but how much can there really be to do to this mod every single day?...lol." |
| 07:45.27 | Adys | if it doesn't run linux i dont like it |
| 07:45.52 | Shirik | zenzio: The regex makes sense to me; it would match everything except something that has only 1 b in it |
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| 07:46.02 | Adys | i considered buying a ps3 at some point |
| 07:46.15 | Shirik | it COULD run linux |
| 07:46.19 | Adys | i know |
| 07:46.21 | Shirik | god knows Microsoft sucks at security vulnerabilities |
| 07:46.25 | Adys | thats why im not considering it anymore |
| 07:46.40 | zenzio | Shirik: but Shakespear wasn't trying to determine if something contained only one B, he was speaking about life |
| 07:46.50 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:46.56 | Shirik | you are such a downer |
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| 08:04.15 | Fisker | omg |
| 08:04.20 | Fisker | why would anyone ever |
| 08:04.31 | Fisker | have a cat that walks on your keyboard when you write something |
| 08:04.47 | Fisker | Also why would anyone ever play an fps on a console |
| 08:05.02 | Fisker | It's like having a cat on your keyboard while you play |
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| 08:19.26 | Fisker | lol |
| 08:19.30 | Fisker | fucking genius |
| 08:19.35 | Fisker | "You've received a gift" |
| 08:19.38 | Fisker | "Download" |
| 08:19.47 | Fisker | "You must have Xbox live gold to use this feature" |
| 08:19.48 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 08:19.49 | Fisker | hurrr |
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| 08:29.57 | Torhal | ties a rabid wombat to Fisker's leg. |
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| 08:32.28 | Adys | !api gettradeskilll |
| 08:32.29 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'gettradeskilll': GetTradeSkillLine, GetTradeSkillListLink |
| 08:32.31 | Adys | !api gettradeskillli |
| 08:32.32 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'gettradeskillli': GetTradeSkillLine, GetTradeSkillListLink |
| 08:32.33 | Adys | !api gettradeskillline |
| 08:32.33 | lua_bot | GetTradeSkillLine: Returns information about the current trade skill (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTradeSkillLine) |
| 08:32.35 | Adys | ffs xchat |
| 08:36.50 | haste | user error! |
| 08:38.27 | Kalroth | l2p! |
| 08:39.26 | haste | http://xkcd.com/325/ obligatory |
| 08:44.22 | Fisker | hello |
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| 08:49.41 | mitch0 | no |
| 08:53.27 | Fisker | <3 microsofrt |
| 08:53.29 | Fisker | microsoft* |
| 08:53.36 | Fisker | "Install game to harddrive, wee no disc" |
| 08:53.38 | Fisker | "Insert Disc 1" |
| 08:53.40 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU_ |
| 08:54.00 | zenzio | yeah, hate that |
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| 08:55.30 | Fisker | btw do you get those 30 days free gold on a card or something? |
| 08:55.36 | Fisker | Only thing i could find was a card for forza |
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| 09:02.12 | Fisker | slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:12.02 | Wobin | http://www.reallifecomics.com/ |
| 09:12.06 | Wobin | That would be kinda awesome |
| 09:13.04 | olafski | hahaha |
| 09:13.05 | olafski | yeah |
| 09:13.51 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 09:49.47 | zenzio | "Why 99% of power supply reviews are wrong" - http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/410/1 |
| 09:49.50 | zenzio | I find this interesting |
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| 09:56.57 | Kaso | http://i.imgur.com/FKw7i.png |
| 09:57.47 | zenzio | :) |
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| 09:58.33 | amro | ~poke Shirik |
| 09:58.33 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 10:07.31 | Adys | ~poke amro |
| 10:07.32 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind amro, pokes amro repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 10:24.37 | Fisker | zenzio's need not apply |
| 10:28.31 | Fisker | anyway i don't find it interesting that obscure fail review sites get it wrong zenzio |
| 10:28.54 | zenzio | I don't care what you think :-p |
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| 10:33.39 | blubberbaerchen | Hello, is there some Curse Admin available? |
| 10:36.38 | Gnarfoz | How Not to cp SSH private key to your servers http://bit.ly/9GotUu |
| 10:38.24 | Zyn | oh mai... |
| 10:44.02 | krka | lol |
| 10:53.37 | Gintaro | rofl |
| 10:55.29 | Fisker | damn haker Gnarfoz |
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| 11:06.06 | Fisker | LOL |
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| 12:02.52 | A-KO | sigh |
| 12:02.58 | A-KO | Emerald Nightmare is over :( |
| 12:02.59 | A-KO | fail |
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| 12:04.03 | olafski | you finally bought a console fisker? about time |
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| 12:07.31 | Maldivia | http://i36.tinypic.com/2eusdjt.gif |
| 12:07.32 | Maldivia | hmm |
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| 12:12.47 | Fisker | already regretting it olafski :P |
| 12:13.16 | olafski | isn't it nice to realize your principles have been broken? |
| 12:13.23 | olafski | I claimed I'd never buy a console either |
| 12:14.23 | Fisker | oh my principle isn't to not buy consoles |
| 12:14.28 | Fisker | just that they're awful for gaming |
| 12:14.38 | Fisker | well except racing games and maybe some arcade games |
| 12:14.46 | olafski | see, the exceptions are starting! |
| 12:14.46 | zenzio | but awesome for word processing |
| 12:14.51 | olafski | next you'll be playing halo |
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| 12:15.23 | zenzio | I got AC2 on the Xbox because I had the first one on PC, and it felt too much like a console port |
| 12:15.33 | olafski | it was |
| 12:15.41 | olafski | it felt much better on the 360 |
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| 12:16.56 | Fisker | totally different thing |
| 12:17.10 | Fisker | obviously console fag games will run like shit on pc and run ok (but look somewhat shitty on xbox) |
| 12:17.13 | olafski | just admit it, you're compromised |
| 12:17.26 | olafski | everything you've ever believed has been challenged this day |
| 12:17.55 | olafski | is afk: halo 3 |
| 12:17.56 | Wobin | Dagmar, http://echobazaar.spreadshirt.co.uk/ |
| 12:19.46 | Fisker | naw olafski |
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| 12:24.34 | zenzio | hey there peppy |
| 12:29.53 | Wobin | How many bears would Bear Grylls grill if Bear Grylls could grill bears? |
| 12:30.10 | Lopeppeppy | He can't, so the point is moot. |
| 12:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | He's a pansy camera lark. |
| 12:30.27 | zenzio | it's true |
| 12:30.28 | Lopeppeppy | morning, zenzio! |
| 12:31.04 | zenzio | cheery today? Cats didn't try murdering you this morning then? |
| 12:31.41 | Lopeppeppy | No, they were surprisingly mellow. |
| 12:31.48 | Lopeppeppy | I think they were up all night partying. |
| 12:31.57 | zenzio | ... or planning something |
| 12:32.00 | Thrae | My cat tries to murder me in my sleep. That's why I keep my door closed. True story. Except instead of murder it's just my cat isn't using the litterbox. |
| 12:32.02 | zenzio | devious creatures they are |
| 12:32.21 | zenzio | Thrae: doh! |
| 12:32.38 | Thrae | My cat is extremely upset that he's not allowed outside anymore. |
| 12:32.49 | Lopeppeppy | One of my cats is aggressively nocturnal, she's not allowed in the bedroom at night. |
| 12:32.53 | Thrae | Or more specifically, I finally figured out HOW he was getting outside and plugged it. |
| 12:33.10 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: which one is that? |
| 12:34.52 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra. Rosie is my sleepy buddy, she's pretty mellow. |
| 12:35.28 | zenzio | so one is allowed in the bedroom, one is not? |
| 12:35.33 | zenzio | that must cause some controversy |
| 12:36.05 | zenzio | my dad's cat has a tendency to scratch her paws (not using claws) on his door in the morning; then running up the stairs when she hears him getting up, so she can sit on top of the stairs looking all innocent and "oh, you're awake!" |
| 12:36.09 | Lopeppeppy | I was keeping Kendra out of the bedroom long before Rosie was allowed in. A closed door and motion-detecting canned airgun enforces my will. |
| 12:39.46 | batrick | wishes he could have a kitty :( |
| 12:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | I shouldn't have one, I'm allergic. |
| 12:43.14 | Lopeppeppy | I therefore shouldn't have two either. <.< |
| 12:43.19 | zenzio | heh |
| 12:45.13 | zenzio | are you allergic to all cats? My brother developed an allergy to cats, but at least one kind doesn't trigger it; their hair is different or something like that |
| 12:45.45 | batrick | what type of cat was it |
| 12:45.55 | Lopeppeppy | I get itchy red swollen eyes, very evil. So I live on benadryl. |
| 12:46.15 | zenzio | don't know exactly. Some slightly long-haired |
| 12:46.39 | Lopeppeppy | Some breeds put off less dander, for those who are allergic to the dander versus the fur. |
| 12:47.15 | batrick | Top of a README: "I expect you to have expanded this package in your home directory." |
| 12:47.22 | batrick | what a jerk :( who wants to do that : / |
| 12:47.24 | zenzio | I think it may have been http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Forest_Cat |
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| 13:00.02 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/give_me_five.jpg |
| 13:00.18 | zenzio | O_o |
| 13:00.23 | olafski | looks painful |
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| 13:00.46 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/knife_tactical_scope.jpg |
| 13:00.55 | olafski | :D |
| 13:01.59 | zenzio | I see you found Steven Seagal's knife |
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| 13:12.13 | Mikk | zenzio: lmao :P |
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| 13:27.46 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/future_serial_killers_kids_dra.php |
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| 13:31.26 | batrick | that is fucking awesome |
| 13:31.30 | olafski | silly kids |
| 13:31.46 | zenzio | I like the "wonder woman" painting |
| 13:34.23 | batrick | the good man one scares me |
| 13:34.31 | batrick | that's a freaky jesus drawing |
| 13:36.30 | batrick | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/real_people_painted_to_look_li.php |
| 13:36.32 | batrick | that's cool |
| 13:38.44 | krka | yes |
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| 13:48.11 | foxlit | "Apple has identified an issue on some Time Capsule systems that could potentially make previous backups unavailable. The Time Capsule Backup Update improves reliability of affected Mac OS X v10.6 systems by creating a new backup." |
| 13:48.29 | foxlit | "We deleted your data, and must now create a new copy. Help us improve reliability, yeah?" |
| 13:48.35 | zenzio | Apple has finally learned that time only travels one way |
| 13:49.56 | Adys | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/introducing-google-places.html |
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| 13:53.25 | zenzio | "In addition to uploading their own photos, businesses in select cities can now request a free photo shoot of the interior of their business which we'll use to supplement existing photos of businesses on Place Pages." o_O |
| 13:55.51 | Lopeppeppy | Big brother is soooo watching that. |
| 13:56.52 | batrick | That's pretty useful in a place like Chicago/New York |
| 14:00.58 | olafski | geekologie has so much nice stuff to look at :( |
| 14:01.21 | Fisker | imma fuck you up zenzio |
| 14:01.48 | olafski | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/not_so_super_chinese_superhero.php :< |
| 14:03.05 | Wobin | SpecialMAN! |
| 14:03.58 | olafski | love how they made darth vader a member of the police :P |
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| 14:05.23 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:08.18 | kneeki | Anyone know the name of the addon which puts points of interest up on the 3d world (it seemed that way, obviously not)? Kind of like what a first person shooter would do? I found it on WoWI once I think, but I never saved the link :( |
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| 14:10.11 | Thrae | kneeki: You can make an arrow that points to it, even DroodFocus can do that, as well as TomTom, but that's about it. |
| 14:10.36 | kneeki | nope |
| 14:10.41 | kneeki | No arrows |
| 14:11.05 | kneeki | When I had it last, it was diamonds, with the distance to the waypoint within the diamond (if I remember correctly) |
| 14:11.34 | kneeki | It had the same 3d world effect as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dwqwG0RWR8 , except it was for waypoints |
| 14:12.28 | Thrae | Sorry but that's impossible. I think it's just waypoint arrows, which is what TomTom does. Aside from portraits, the exposed UI only deals with 2D graphics. |
| 14:12.42 | Wobin | ugh |
| 14:12.50 | Wobin | the maths to do that AVR addon would have been painful |
| 14:13.24 | kneeki | Thrae: It's not impossible. And like I said, it appeared to be 3d, of course it was not |
| 14:13.33 | Thrae | You can make the waypoint arrow bigger or smaller depending on distance, etc., but it's still not part of the 3D world and not connected to any model in it |
| 14:13.35 | kneeki | It was 2d, but looked very real |
| 14:14.00 | kneeki | It had the same limitations as map coord addons (not working in old dungeons) |
| 14:14.00 | Thrae | I'm saying it's impossible it's 3D, not that it's impossible you saw what you saw. The latter would be silly. |
| 14:14.12 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.04 | Thrae | Actually waypoint arrows CAN work in dungeons, but only for something that's plotted on the minimap. That's how all waypoint arrows work. Which is why I love my waypoint arrows that show the distance to my Target and Focus to find people in dungeons that have run off to /cry or something. |
| 14:15.21 | kneeki | haha |
| 14:15.29 | Thrae | Sorry, World Map or Minimap. |
| 14:16.12 | Thrae | Anything that's plottable in the minimap is plottable on the world map when it comes to waypoints. Pings are restricted to the minimap, though. |
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| 14:17.51 | Thrae | Wobin: I have noticed people are doing stuff with the nameplates. Was that finally exposed a little? |
| 14:18.18 | kneeki | Ah ha! |
| 14:18.20 | kneeki | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166952&postcount=8 |
| 14:18.22 | Wobin | threatplates is the best addon ever |
| 14:18.36 | kneeki | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3586&d=1259078604 <- that |
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| 14:19.20 | Wobin | kneeki, that's pretty cool |
| 14:19.25 | kneeki | yeah |
| 14:19.31 | kneeki | it's AMAZING |
| 14:19.34 | Wobin | november last year =( |
| 14:19.38 | kneeki | yeah :( |
| 14:19.42 | olafski | impressive |
| 14:19.55 | kneeki | I'm going to PM him now, to try and get a copy of his latest, the link to his .lua file is broke |
| 14:20.03 | Thrae | kneeki: Yep seems like scaled waypoints |
| 14:20.35 | Wobin | http://github.com/xconstruct/Coordinator |
| 14:21.05 | Wobin | s'not broken |
| 14:21.07 | Wobin | just updated |
| 14:21.33 | kneeki | woo! |
| 14:21.35 | kneeki | :D |
| 14:22.03 | Wobin | night all |
| 14:22.14 | ZorbaTHut | kneeki, niiiice |
| 14:22.32 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, incorporate it into QH =) |
| 14:22.43 | ZorbaTHut | I was actually thinking of trying to implement that same thing in QH |
| 14:22.49 | ZorbaTHut | but never got around to it |
| 14:22.57 | olafski | now you have a lib for it :) |
| 14:23.02 | ZorbaTHut | (double-awesome: implement blobs in 3d :D) |
| 14:23.11 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, yeah, but, honestly, I don't have time to work on it. I got other stuff to do |
| 14:23.34 | olafski | other stuff in QH or something else interesting? :D |
| 14:23.42 | ZorbaTHut | really this is one of the saddest things about Blizzard's QH implementation |
| 14:23.54 | ZorbaTHut | it's so locked down that the information isn't available to do anything further interesting with |
| 14:23.54 | Wobin | he's writing an addon that automatically ganks rogues that come into range |
| 14:24.11 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, other stuff. writin' video games. www.mandible.net :) |
| 14:24.21 | olafski | ah I've tried a couple from your site :) |
| 14:30.43 | Thrae | WobWork: Thanks, I didn't take a good look at that and now I see it'll fit in perfectly with oUF_Thrae (which uses a HUD). My new UI also uses PowerAura too. |
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| 14:34.12 | Thrae | WobWork: A 2560x1600 30" display needs a certain UI. Definitely the default is a bad choice ;) |
| 14:39.07 | Gnarfoz | <Thrae> Wobin: I have noticed people are doing stuff with the nameplates. Was that finally exposed a little? <-- no, just ingenious modders finding ways to do stuff that wasn't really intended to be doable. first was probably Shadowed's Nameplates modifier back in the day |
| 14:40.49 | Kaso | Nameplates (and speech bubbles for that matter) are anonymous children of Worldframe, just gotta do some itterating over GetChildren() to get them |
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| 15:10.08 | Fisker | lol olafski |
| 15:10.10 | Fisker | 1-0 to me |
| 15:10.17 | Fisker | you know https://www.gamepointsnow.com/ ? |
| 15:10.35 | olafski | no |
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| 15:10.53 | Fisker | it was hilarious |
| 15:10.59 | Fisker | i wanted a 48-hour live code just to check it out |
| 15:11.02 | olafski | looks hilarious indeed |
| 15:11.05 | olafski | "just to check it out" |
| 15:11.05 | Fisker | and i wanted a few arcade games |
| 15:11.09 | olafski | "I tried crack just to check it out" |
| 15:11.15 | Fisker | So i bought the 48-hour code and the 2100 ms points |
| 15:11.18 | olafski | you're not fooling anyone man |
| 15:11.36 | Fisker | And then i got an e-mail with a link(that i didn't see at first) then an email with the codes |
| 15:11.45 | Fisker | the 2100 points card worked just fine, but the 48-hour sub didn't |
| 15:11.52 | Fisker | Then i checked the link and there was another code |
| 15:11.55 | Fisker | guess what |
| 15:11.59 | Fisker | It was another 2100 points code |
| 15:12.00 | Fisker | :D:DD |
| 15:12.14 | Fisker | (And i still had the nerve to complain about the 48-hour code not working) |
| 15:12.52 | olafski | so hilarious I just can't stop laughing |
| 15:12.59 | olafski | which arcade games are you getting? |
| 15:13.07 | olafski | and didn't you get 1 month of free live? |
| 15:14.47 | Fisker | no |
| 15:14.57 | Fisker | i wasn't offered it and i can't find out how to enable it |
| 15:15.05 | Fisker | people say you have to make a new gamertag |
| 15:15.13 | olafski | ah, yes |
| 15:15.21 | olafski | you get 1 month free on the first 3 gamertags you make on any xbox 360 |
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| 15:17.20 | olafski | so which games? |
| 15:17.57 | olafski | recommends Doom once again |
| 15:18.02 | olafski | but you probably dislike that without a mouse :P |
| 15:18.14 | olafski | even though doom originally didn't have mouse look I think.. or not enabled by default |
| 15:19.58 | Fisker | I'm getting castle crashers |
| 15:20.03 | Fisker | then i dunno |
| 15:20.15 | Fisker | got 3000 extra points to spend courtesy of that shop there :D |
| 15:20.58 | infernix | doom never had free mouse look, no, just like wolf3d didn't |
| 15:21.07 | infernix | only horizontal panning with the mouse |
| 15:21.44 | olafski | CC is nice |
| 15:21.58 | olafski | couldn't you change that option infernix? |
| 15:22.00 | olafski | I don't really remember |
| 15:22.05 | olafski | doom plays quite well with a controller imo |
| 15:22.20 | olafski | you probably have more control than with original doom :) |
| 15:22.33 | Ackis | Fisker: you have a 360 now? |
| 15:23.21 | Fisker | yes |
| 15:25.18 | olafski | add us as friendz :@ |
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| 15:41.32 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz: I actually wasn't the first. There was a handful of addons that did some small things like hiding nameplates, but for some reason nobody really noticed you could do it till I released NP modifier |
| 15:43.04 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: out of nerd curiousity: can you point me to any of those? |
| 15:43.16 | Shadowed | mmm lemme see if I can find them |
| 15:45.01 | Shadowed | Hrm, I guess I can't |
| 15:46.04 | Fisker | hey Shadowed |
| 15:46.07 | Fisker | i'm looking at you :( |
| 15:46.13 | Shadowed | I was ignoring you, to be fair |
| 15:46.20 | Shadowed | It was feb 2007 that we started playing with nameplates, so anything before then would predate it |
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| 15:46.37 | Shadowed | But I don't see anything, so maybe I was wrong |
| 15:46.39 | Fierceflame | Hey :D |
| 15:47.35 | Shadowed | They weren't anything special thought Gnarfoz, they just hide nameplates |
| 15:47.45 | Shadowed | Aloft was the first complex modifier |
| 15:48.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah, history from *then* on I know |
| 15:48.50 | Shadowed | Kaso was the one who found the method I started using thought |
| 15:49.17 | Fisker | haha |
| 15:49.18 | Fisker | hahahaha |
| 15:49.19 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:49.21 | Fisker | hahahahahahahahahahah |
| 15:49.23 | Kaso | :p |
| 15:49.47 | Ackis | ? |
| 15:50.17 | Kaso | i cant remeber the name of the very first person who did nameplates, the addon was something like hide blue nameplates or something |
| 15:50.21 | Kaso | thats the first i saw of it at least |
| 15:50.22 | Fisker | I think the 48-hour codes worked as well |
| 15:50.24 | Fisker | hohohoho |
| 15:50.26 | Fisker | stupid cunts :D |
| 15:50.28 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:50.38 | Shadowed | yea it was super basic |
| 15:50.51 | Kaso | something about blue i cant quite remeber |
| 15:51.59 | Shadowed | Checked all the obvious terms, but don't see anything regarding that |
| 15:52.05 | Fisker | well weird Ackis |
| 15:52.07 | Shadowed | I don't think we pruned any addons either |
| 15:52.14 | Fisker | Basically i tried under xbox live redeem code |
| 15:52.23 | Fisker | then there was just a generic "redeem code" |
| 15:52.29 | Kaso | im sure i put a reference in the comments of one of my fiddly addons let me check |
| 15:52.32 | Fisker | i tried that and it said "added Xbox Live-Game" |
| 15:52.42 | Fisker | And i have 2 subs with that name in account management now |
| 15:52.47 | Fisker | but they don't seem to do anything O-o |
| 15:52.50 | Fisker | O_o* |
| 15:53.06 | Shadowed | Kaso: I was looking on description, but didn't see anything |
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| 15:54.08 | Lunessa | Station |
| 15:56.20 | Kaso | Can't find any references either :( |
| 15:56.48 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure we didn't prune old addons, and theres no secret old category |
| 15:56.49 | Shadowed | shrugs |
| 15:57.27 | zenzelezz | you sure? |
| 15:57.40 | Thrae | Shadowed: Don't tell them about the secret TinyTip catagory where I keep all the fixes and additions people want. |
| 15:57.40 | zenzelezz | I thought there was some "pre-2.x" or similar prune at one point |
| 15:57.49 | zenzelezz | Cairenn would know, I may be misremembering |
| 15:57.49 | Shadowed | Thrae: I sell those for $10 |
| 15:58.29 | Lunessa | Shadowed: Really? I've been charging $15 |
| 15:58.38 | Shadowed | Quantity! |
| 16:03.50 | olafski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqu9NuINKbc&feature=player_embedded |
| 16:04.48 | Fisker | if you're only one person in a house you don't need artificial windows to begin with |
| 16:08.15 | zenzelezz | "Artificial windows"... that would make a neat slogan for Wine |
| 16:08.36 | olafski | nice idea.. they should've put the wiimote in the wall too though instead of on top of the shelf |
| 16:16.14 | cog|away | ahh win32 where a 1 for the flag TMPF_FIXED_PITCH means the font is NOT fixed pitched... |
| 16:18.41 | zenzelezz | which function? |
| 16:19.15 | cog|away | TEXTMETRIC.tmPitchAndFamily as returned by GetTextMetrics |
| 16:20.21 | cog|away | from MSDN "If this bit is set the font is a variable pitch font. If this bit is clear the font is a fixed pitch font. Note very carefully that those meanings are the opposite of what the constant name implies." |
| 16:20.59 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 16:21.32 | zenzelezz | thankfully it's not usually like that :-p |
| 16:22.09 | cog|away | :P |
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| 16:37.28 | cog|away | <3 the C++0x features in vs10 |
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| 16:47.48 | Fisker | lol Ackis |
| 16:47.49 | Fisker | it worked |
| 16:47.55 | Fisker | just took a couple of console restarts |
| 16:48.00 | Fisker | double up on gold and points then |
| 16:48.02 | Fisker | bawwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 16:48.12 | zenzelezz | bawwwwwwwnned |
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| 16:58.13 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder why they don't fix that flag |
| 16:58.39 | zenzelezz | same reason they don't fix/change other things, compatibilit |
| 16:58.40 | zenzelezz | +y |
| 16:58.59 | ZorbaTHut | you could easily preserve compatibility, just introduce a new duplicate flag with a sane name |
| 16:59.12 | ZorbaTHut | and flip the "deprecate" bit on that flag so it drops a simple explanatory warning if it's used |
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| 16:59.39 | Shirik | cog|away: I'm still pissed about concepts |
| 16:59.48 | Shirik | coolest feature of C++0x |
| 16:59.50 | Shirik | but nooooooooooooooo |
| 16:59.56 | Gintaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.16 | Gintaro | Daily WTF is awesome :P |
| 17:00.51 | alestane | Concepts? |
| 17:01.21 | zenzelezz | think it was mostly a way to let templates give understandable errors or something |
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| 17:03.47 | Shirik | Gintaro: So awesome |
| 17:03.51 | Shirik | alestane: What zenzelezz said |
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| 17:04.08 | Shirik | you could add a concept that specifies the type for a template must have the operator = |
| 17:04.09 | Shirik | or such |
| 17:04.21 | Shirik | that way when it compiles, it won't fail due to a type it can't support |
| 17:04.22 | haste | realises its tuesday |
| 17:04.36 | Shirik | I mean, without concepts you'll still get an error, you'll just get a 100 line error |
| 17:04.50 | Shirik | concepts let you produce a simple message like "concept failed: operator = is not defined" |
| 17:05.26 | alestane | Sort of like declaring an interface that a template must implement in its entirety? |
| 17:05.44 | Shirik | basically, yes |
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| 17:42.42 | ZorbaTHut | in fairness, it's possible concepts won't be needed with smarter compilers |
| 17:42.50 | ZorbaTHut | watch Clang for a few years, see if it just obsoletes concepts entirely |
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| 17:46.21 | Shirik | well, Boost already has concepts |
| 17:46.26 | Shirik | it's just not a built-in |
| 17:46.37 | Shirik | so it's not always perfect, but it's pretty good |
| 17:46.44 | Shirik | despite the fact that it's really a hack |
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| 17:51.06 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacula |
| 17:51.12 | Shirik | "This article is about computer backup software. For the penile bone found in some mammals, see baculum." |
| 17:51.40 | alestane | Welcome to comparative biology. |
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| 17:56.24 | Ackis | tehehe penile bone |
| 17:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ~poke |
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| 17:58.52 | Cide | * JRandolph (~Casper@207.126.40.193) has joined #wowuidev |
| 17:58.52 | Cide | <Ackis> tehehe penile bone |
| 17:58.55 | Cide | that can't be comforting |
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| 18:00.40 | Ackis | lol Cide |
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| 18:07.22 | DWSR | Dagmar |
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| 18:23.49 | Gintaro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSahq11OSmY&fmt=18 <-- me like! |
| 18:27.37 | Fisker | i troll u Ackis |
| 18:28.50 | haste | Gintaro: default bass, horrible attempt at breaks and obvious amen break :( |
| 18:29.08 | Gintaro | I still like it |
| 18:29.26 | Gintaro | Your knowledge of music is of no value to me! |
| 18:30.54 | DWSR | What. The. Fuck? |
| 18:30.56 | haste | then you might want to look into one of the 300 other remixes :P |
| 18:31.08 | DWSR | Dude. |
| 18:31.09 | Gintaro | :) |
| 18:31.17 | DWSR | That's fucking awful. |
| 18:31.30 | Gintaro | I don't hear the problem |
| 18:31.30 | DWSR | That is not a trance remix, ok? |
| 18:31.38 | Gintaro | What's in a name |
| 18:31.41 | DWSR | A lot. |
| 18:31.42 | haste | that's beyond the issue DWSR :P |
| 18:31.47 | DWSR | IT's awful, as well. |
| 18:31.57 | DWSR | The intro just about wrecked one of my tweeters. |
| 18:32.00 | Gintaro | lol |
| 18:32.20 | DWSR | So Blizzard just e-mailed me 242 gold saying that I asked for an item to be restored? |
| 18:32.30 | DWSR | When I haven't submitted a ticket for that. |
| 18:32.43 | Gintaro | You want an item and you get gold? |
| 18:32.46 | DWSR | No./ |
| 18:32.54 | Cide | reading comprehension ftw |
| 18:33.13 | DWSR | Dude, that's fucking rediculous. |
| 18:33.18 | Cide | ridiculous |
| 18:33.24 | Gintaro | Ok fine, blizzard thought you wanted an item and sent you gold? |
| 18:33.34 | DWSR | Gintaro: Yeah.\ |
| 18:33.50 | olafski | annoying anime music, yay |
| 18:34.02 | Gintaro | olafski likes it :P |
| 18:34.13 | olafski | no |
| 18:34.16 | olafski | it's annoying anime |
| 18:34.18 | olafski | how could I like it |
| 18:36.33 | haste | Gintaro: regardless, you _might_ want to look at the tano*c label |
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| 18:36.52 | Gintaro | because? |
| 18:37.00 | Gintaro | proper music according to you ? |
| 18:37.31 | haste | no, it's people who does a better job at whatever the trancemix attempted |
| 18:37.48 | olafski | better is very much in the eye of the beholder in this case |
| 18:37.52 | olafski | or ears |
| 18:37.57 | olafski | if he likes it, np :P |
| 18:38.33 | haste | ofc, just trying to throw more of the same at him from well-known doujin artists who do the same |
| 18:38.47 | Gintaro | And it is appreciated |
| 18:40.20 | Fisker | lol wtf |
| 18:43.06 | DWSR | That's not a trancemix. |
| 18:43.33 | DWSR | Trance has a speed limit of around 150 |
| 18:43.36 | DWSR | After that, it's something else. |
| 18:44.14 | haste | hardcore, ho |
| 18:44.36 | Gintaro | Haaaadooo coooooruuuu! |
| 18:44.43 | haste | or in this case j-core aka happy hardcore |
| 18:45.00 | haste | it's also written haadokoa :3 |
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| 18:45.28 | DWSR | haste: j-core != happy hardcore. |
| 18:45.29 | DWSR | thanks. |
| 18:45.40 | DWSR | j-core is faster and amazingly more obnoxious. |
| 18:45.45 | DWSR | (on average) |
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| 18:45.50 | haste | they share enough common traits |
| 18:46.08 | haste | I'm also a person who hates genres :3 |
| 18:46.10 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:46.24 | DWSR | I tend to genrify anything I hate. :P |
| 18:46.33 | DWSR | j-core is sometimes good, usually bad. |
| 18:47.02 | haste | having to say "On hi, I listen to glitch/breaks/post-rock/modern-classical" never really makse much sense |
| 18:47.16 | DWSR | breaks is a pretty big genre. |
| 18:47.23 | haste | and so is modern-classical |
| 18:47.26 | DWSR | Since you could be talking anything from trip-hop to jungle. |
| 18:48.29 | Gintaro | I listen to lost of stuff |
| 18:48.48 | haste | so do I, I just pulled genres in from one song there |
| 18:48.49 | DWSR | Gintaro: I have 16 weeks worth of music currently sitting in my library, and probably another month's worth waiting to be added. |
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| 18:49.13 | Thunder_Child | but then why would they send you the gold? |
| 18:49.17 | Gintaro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhHWhRTkVBE&fmt=18 <-- BVSC ! |
| 18:49.31 | Thunder_Child | fuck you scroll up, fuck you |
| 18:49.33 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: I have no idea. |
| 18:49.41 | Gintaro | Maybe it was a gold seller trying to hide it's transfer |
| 18:49.59 | DWSR | Gintaro: Definitely not. Had the Blizzard logo on it and everything. Plus, only 242 gold? |
| 18:50.02 | DWSR | That's a really wierd number. |
| 18:50.05 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxidLqkubVc |
| 18:50.07 | mikma | woo woooooo |
| 18:50.33 | Thunder_Child | the only thing i can think of if it was a crafted item |
| 18:50.36 | Gintaro | road train ! |
| 18:50.43 | DWSR | Street car? |
| 18:50.57 | Gintaro | water melon ? |
| 18:51.12 | Fisker | my cat doesn't like passing the exhaust part of my computer |
| 18:51.13 | Fisker | wuss |
| 18:51.13 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri_jmFaSbw4 hoho |
| 18:51.16 | DWSR | Holy shit that's a big truck. |
| 18:53.44 | DWSR | Having enough Frostweave and Infinite Dust to make 14 Frostweave bags for alts? ftw |
| 18:54.02 | haste | glares at his two guild bank pages. |
| 18:55.02 | Gintaro | When are they adding more storage space anyway, I'm running out |
| 18:55.34 | haste | doesn't know |
| 18:55.50 | Gintaro | Or at least an account bank of some sort |
| 18:57.03 | DWSR | I would be really happy if they added account banks. |
| 18:58.04 | haste | attempt to build up motivation to rip fanatic hardcore. |
| 18:59.06 | olafski | didn't they say they were considering account banks? |
| 18:59.12 | olafski | to reduce the amount of items people transfer via mail |
| 18:59.58 | olafski | though unless that account bank is accessable through mailboxes I'd still use mail I guess |
| 19:00.12 | DWSR | Why? Engineer? |
| 19:01.19 | olafski | well, I regularly mail stuff to my bank alt when I'm not near a bank myself |
| 19:01.29 | olafski | while leveling mostly, whenever I have a full stack of ore/skins I mail it away |
| 19:01.45 | olafski | not gonna keep that in my bags until I visit a city with a bank, which is usually only when I level up |
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| 19:02.38 | olafski | even in dalaran I can't be bothered to walk to a bank usually |
| 19:04.05 | ZorbaTHut | it's really handy to mail stuff to a bank alt |
| 19:04.12 | olafski | yep |
| 19:04.12 | ZorbaTHut | hit up a mailbox, mail everything you don't need, worry about it later |
| 19:04.30 | olafski | and consequently have altoholic warn me about it 28 days later :) |
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| 19:04.55 | ZorbaTHut | I handle my bank-alt mail pretty quickly :) |
| 19:05.06 | olafski | I'm lazy :( |
| 19:05.15 | olafski | it's got a ton of tbc stuff in there which won't sell |
| 19:05.24 | olafski | expired auctions and stuff.. I don't feel like taking it out |
| 19:05.24 | ZorbaTHut | vendor, then |
| 19:05.32 | ZorbaTHut | I go through it regularly |
| 19:05.41 | ZorbaTHut | either it gets AH'ed, kept for future use, or vendored. |
| 19:05.52 | olafski | yeah I really should |
| 19:06.36 | Gintaro | Well, back to idling in dalaran again |
| 19:06.48 | olafski | my auction alt is also my druid which I sometimes play though =( |
| 19:06.53 | olafski | not ideal |
| 19:07.01 | olafski | wtb higher character limit |
| 19:07.16 | olafski | or how about just a 50 char limit, no limit per server +( |
| 19:07.31 | olafski | (or no limit at all) |
| 19:09.22 | Gintaro | I'm not an alt person so I don't really care :) |
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| 19:09.47 | Pneumatus | olafski: im gonna have to get a 2nd acct for 4.0 :< |
| 19:10.30 | olafski | oO |
| 19:10.32 | olafski | you have 50 chars? |
| 19:10.42 | Pneumatus | no, but i have 10 on one realm |
| 19:10.45 | olafski | ah |
| 19:10.46 | olafski | me too |
| 19:10.57 | olafski | maybe I'll just make a char on another reaml |
| 19:10.58 | olafski | realm** |
| 19:11.09 | Pneumatus | balls to that, no heirlooms :< |
| 19:11.43 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if they're going to expand the character limit per server if they add another class |
| 19:11.43 | olafski | just leveled a warrior to 80 without heirlooms |
| 19:11.44 | olafski | np :) |
| 19:11.49 | olafski | or race zorbathut =) |
| 19:11.54 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, or race |
| 19:12.15 | Gintaro | race? |
| 19:12.18 | olafski | yes |
| 19:12.21 | olafski | worgen, goblin |
| 19:12.34 | Gintaro | ooh, need to read more |
| 19:12.44 | DWSR | olafski: Priest is the worst. |
| 19:12.45 | Pneumatus | not to mention cata is going to have a whole new levelling experience, in general |
| 19:12.55 | foxlit | Grr, my wireless mouse is misbehaving :( |
| 19:13.04 | Gintaro | wireless mouse = fail |
| 19:13.13 | Pneumatus | neg |
| 19:13.27 | Gintaro | s/neg/nod/ |
| 19:13.33 | foxlit | Nah, it's otherwise awesome. |
| 19:13.47 | olafski | priest is the worst.. to level? |
| 19:13.58 | olafski | pneumatus: that's why I'd go to a new server :) |
| 19:14.04 | Gintaro | prot warrior leveling ftw! |
| 19:14.08 | olafski | my warrior is on a new server too because my main server was full |
| 19:14.13 | olafski | yep leveled this one as prot |
| 19:14.23 | Gintaro | I leveled mine the old way' |
| 19:14.27 | Gintaro | when things were slow |
| 19:14.34 | Gintaro | Now it's just faceroll :P |
| 19:14.49 | Pneumatus | locks and mages probably have the longest ramp-up time before they can start levelling efficiently |
| 19:14.57 | olafski | thd old way = vanilla? |
| 19:15.03 | Pneumatus | along with priests, perhaps |
| 19:15.05 | DWSR | Pneumatus: No. |
| 19:15.06 | DWSR | Priests do. |
| 19:15.07 | olafski | meh mages aren't too bad imo |
| 19:15.10 | Gintaro | BC mostly |
| 19:15.14 | olafski | frostbolt frostbolt frostbolt |
| 19:15.22 | olafski | boring but not that slow |
| 19:15.46 | Pneumatus | the slow part is being OOM |
| 19:15.48 | olafski | I've leveled every class to lvl 70 now at least |
| 19:15.52 | DWSR | Pneumatus: Which they've fixed. |
| 19:16.10 | Gintaro | I don't think I'll level any more alts before Cata |
| 19:16.21 | olafski | I might |
| 19:16.22 | Gintaro | vanilla quests are just messed up |
| 19:16.26 | olafski | my warrior reached 80 on sunday, I'm bored with it now |
| 19:16.39 | Pneumatus | got everything at 80 now apart from lock |
| 19:16.44 | olafski | though I think I should level the 3 chars I have left to level on my main realm |
| 19:16.46 | DWSR | I'm LFD grinding a resto druid to 80. |
| 19:16.46 | Pneumatus | and thats 22 levels off |
| 19:16.50 | DWSR | It's so easy. |
| 19:17.03 | olafski | yes |
| 19:17.17 | olafski | got a 73 shaman, 72 lock and 72 rogue to go =( |
| 19:17.18 | Gintaro | On a populated realm I guess that works |
| 19:17.27 | Fisker | oh olafski |
| 19:17.32 | Fisker | looks like i was lied to! |
| 19:17.33 | Gintaro | My realm/battlegroup is crap! |
| 19:17.47 | olafski | fisker: your mother told you she loves you? |
| 19:18.06 | Pneumatus | my priest (main), pally, rogue and shaman are all raid geared and my DK is just about there |
| 19:18.17 | olafski | :) |
| 19:18.25 | olafski | my dk is ready to raid-geared I guess |
| 19:18.27 | olafski | no raid gear though |
| 19:18.36 | olafski | most of the other chars I abandon when they reach 80 |
| 19:18.38 | olafski | boring |
| 19:18.56 | Pneumatus | yeh, my others have been abandoned in blues/greens |
| 19:19.02 | Gintaro | I just idle in Dalaran cause I cba to play alts for anything except raiding |
| 19:19.57 | olafski | maybe I'll try to get full t9 on this warrior since it's my only char on this realm |
| 19:19.57 | olafski | and also my only horde |
| 19:19.57 | olafski | other than that I much prefer leveling over being lvl 80 |
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| 19:19.57 | Gintaro | I hate questing in vanilla wow |
| 19:19.58 | olafski | so don't quest |
| 19:20.02 | olafski | grind to 15 and lfd |
| 19:20.05 | Gintaro | hehe |
| 19:20.05 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:20.08 | DWSR | That's what I've done. |
| 19:20.21 | olafski | I was going to on this warrior but doing some quests in between helps |
| 19:20.29 | olafski | especially in wotlk |
| 19:20.33 | DWSR | Any dungeon quests are really nice. |
| 19:20.34 | Gintaro | I guess I could grind til 58 |
| 19:20.41 | olafski | yeah I mostly did the prequests for dungeons |
| 19:20.42 | DWSR | Usually give you awesome rewards too. |
| 19:20.51 | olafski | dwsr: dungeons were much nicer without heirlooms |
| 19:20.56 | olafski | at least I could use some gear =) |
| 19:21.30 | Pneumatus | i need to organize one of my alts to be a spare healer |
| 19:21.31 | olafski | btw pneumatus I think they wanted to allow mailing heirlooms to chars on other realms too |
| 19:21.41 | DWSR | They did. |
| 19:21.41 | Fisker | no olafski |
| 19:21.51 | olafski | they did that already? oO |
| 19:21.56 | DWSR | no. |
| 19:21.57 | Fisker | but i used my twitter shill account to ask xbox support why i didn't get 30 days |
| 19:21.58 | DWSR | They do* |
| 19:22.02 | Fisker | according to them it isn't in my bundle :o |
| 19:22.04 | Pneumatus | they can be mailed crossfaction |
| 19:22.04 | olafski | ah |
| 19:22.16 | olafski | your loss fisker! |
| 19:22.20 | Fisker | yes! |
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| 19:22.24 | olafski | I'm going to play some overlord 2 now I think |
| 19:22.29 | olafski | or prototype.. |
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| 19:22.42 | Fisker | their loss really though |
| 19:22.51 | Fisker | they might've gotten me hooked with free gold! |
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| 19:32.06 | DWSR | haste |
| 19:32.15 | DWSR | How much hardcore have/do you listen to? |
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| 19:33.17 | haste | uhm, like... ~20 albums, where most or j-core or some mix |
| 19:33.28 | DWSR | You ever heard Dougal & Gammer's Stomp? |
| 19:33.44 | haste | sounds familiar |
| 19:34.54 | DWSR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amq79-6vDOs |
| 19:35.21 | DWSR | A soon as the lead note of the hook drops, you'll recognize it, I wager. |
| 19:35.25 | haste | glares in flash's general direction |
| 19:35.32 | DWSR | Use the HTML5 interface. |
| 19:35.44 | haste | that would require me to start patchign firefox again |
| 19:35.51 | haste | and I'm tired of fixing OSS on it |
| 19:35.55 | durcyn | chrome, motherfucker, do you speak it |
| 19:35.56 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:36.00 | DWSR | what durcyn said.\ |
| 19:36.05 | haste | durcyn: then I might as well just use flash |
| 19:36.11 | haste | since chrome doesn't die with it |
| 19:36.30 | DWSR | Anyway, that has to be one of my all time favourite tracks. |
| 19:36.46 | DWSR | And then I think just about everything Scott Brown ever made. |
| 19:36.51 | haste | ugh, unsure if I want to think of my all-time favorite track |
| 19:36.53 | DWSR | Especially broomstick. |
| 19:37.12 | DWSR | THIS. IS MY BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMSSSSSSTTIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK |
| 19:37.24 | DWSR | Sampling Conan win |
| 19:37.59 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 19:38.00 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJuiXHTzwcM would probably rate pretty high here |
| 19:38.00 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 19:38.12 | haste | dunno if I would dare to call it all-time favorite just yet tho' |
| 19:38.16 | DWSR | err, Army of Darkness, my bad. |
| 19:39.12 | DWSR | Oh wow. |
| 19:39.23 | DWSR | First ~2:30 is sorta boring. |
| 19:39.28 | DWSR | Then he drops some epic perc. |
| 19:39.35 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/sheath_that_lightsaber_son_vad.php |
| 19:39.36 | DWSR | Reminds me of Twin |
| 19:39.48 | haste | yeh, a lot does :P |
| 19:39.57 | haste | fun fact tho'... |
| 19:40.08 | haste | I was really dissapointed with the CD that track is on |
| 19:40.17 | Lunessa | Listen up you primitive screwheads. This. Is. My. BOOMSTICK. |
| 19:41.07 | DWSR | See this? This. Is. My. Boomstick. |
| 19:41.21 | DWSR | Fantastic sample, tbh. |
| 19:41.34 | DWSR | Oh win. |
| 19:41.37 | DWSR | I have that track too. |
| 19:41.50 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/IwlPI.png |
| 19:41.51 | haste | DWSR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H9Ngh3gErg nrthndr is my favorite wisp album at least |
| 19:41.54 | Lunessa | That movie is the win. |
| 19:41.58 | haste | it's entirely soul moving |
| 19:42.30 | DWSR | haste: lol, you should listen to the Boomstick track. Mostly because it's just stupid fun. :P |
| 19:42.46 | DWSR | Hardcore music increases my APM. |
| 19:42.51 | DWSR | I have no idea why. 8-) |
| 19:43.47 | haste | wants tapage & meander to release their album already. |
| 19:43.59 | cog|away | zenzelezz: or anyone higher than a white belt in win32-fu: #include <windows.h> |
| 19:44.02 | cog|away | /* |
| 19:44.05 | cog|away | I'm trying to encapsulate basic window handling in a C++ class. Everything about this seems to work correctly except |
| 19:44.08 | cog|away | that PostQuitMessage never seems to send the message. After closing the window, the message loop spins on an incessant |
| 19:44.11 | cog|away | chain of WM_NULL messages so the program never quits. Note, this is just a minimal example. The actual program does |
| 19:44.15 | cog|away | much more stuff in OnCreate and there's also an OnPaint. |
| 19:44.18 | cog|away | */ |
| 19:44.20 | cog|away | class MyException |
| 19:44.22 | cog|away | { |
| 19:44.25 | cog|away | public: |
| 19:44.31 | cog|away | private: |
| 19:44.35 | cog|away | }; |
| 19:44.38 | cog|away | class MyWindow |
| 19:44.40 | cog|away | { |
| 19:44.43 | cog|away | public: |
| 19:44.46 | cog|away | MyWindow(PCTSTR caption, PCTSTR className, HINSTANCE hInstance) : |
| 19:44.47 | Cide | cogwheel fail |
| 19:44.48 | cog|away | fuck |
| 19:44.51 | cog|away | sorry |
| 19:44.51 | cog|away | indeed |
| 19:44.54 | cog|away | zenzelezz: http://cogwheel.pastey.net/135515 |
| 19:45.13 | haste | DWSR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgJcGUrLm9A this is one of the preview tracks, dunno if it's too awkward for most people tho' :P |
| 19:45.23 | cog|away | putty using right-click for paste ftw |
| 19:45.35 | DWSR | haste: No, that's awesome. |
| 19:46.00 | haste | is a HUUUGEE tympanik audio fag. |
| 19:46.28 | haste | ordered like 90% of the releases :V |
| 19:47.47 | ckknight | so how many other people plan on rolling a Worgen named Jacob? |
| 19:47.58 | Pneumatus | more like Worgenfreeman |
| 19:48.07 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:48.20 | foxlit | Why Jacob? |
| 19:48.25 | DWSR | Which, ironically, is both an HL reference and a movie reference. |
| 19:48.35 | DWSR | Gordon ~= Morgan ~= Worgen. |
| 19:48.36 | Pneumatus | Worgenfreeman has Benafflock as a levelling partner! |
| 19:49.32 | nevcairiel | Worgenfreeman might be too long, though |
| 19:49.35 | ckknight | foxlit: Twilight reference |
| 19:49.58 | Cide | NICE SPOILER THANKS |
| 19:50.00 | foxlit | I suspected something along those lines. |
| 19:51.05 | Shirik | ................. |
| 19:51.11 | Shirik | in the "Did you know" section of Wikipedia this hour |
| 19:51.25 | haste | nevcairiel: yeh, limit is 12 :P |
| 19:51.35 | Shirik | "Did you know that Doggles (pictured), a type of sunglasses for dogs, have been sent out to working military dogs in Iraq?" |
| 19:51.46 | Shirik | I feel really bad for those dogs |
| 19:52.11 | nevcairiel | maybe it really helps them |
| 19:52.52 | Shirik | it's like those dogs that are forced to wear sweaters |
| 19:53.22 | Shirik | though, amusingly, my dad bought one of our dogs a Penn State Jersey and he happily wears it |
| 19:53.24 | Cide | Doggles were ranked #6 in a list of "11 ideas that shouldnt have worked - but made millions" by MSN Money |
| 19:53.29 | Shirik | lmao |
| 19:53.51 | zenzelezz | cog|away: I'm guessing you are seeing the "Inside OnDestroy" message box? |
| 19:54.19 | cog|away | yep |
| 19:54.28 | haste | DWSR: you don't happen to know anything on the same level as kashiwa daisuke's program music i? :P |
| 19:54.41 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 19:54.45 | DWSR | Have it in 24/96. |
| 19:54.55 | DWSR | Anything similar though? No. |
| 19:55.08 | cog|away | zenzelezz: i've also tried it without exceptions and it does the same thing |
| 19:55.19 | cog|away | (shot in the dark) |
| 19:55.21 | zenzelezz | cog|away: is this at all threaded? |
| 19:55.39 | haste | kinda bawww |
| 19:55.51 | cog|away | not intentionally. i started with an empty project and just pasted that code into the only source file with default settings |
| 19:56.09 | zenzelezz | hm |
| 19:56.41 | foxlit | is the warcraft mouse worth getting? |
| 19:56.48 | Cide | nope |
| 19:56.52 | Cide | ^ having never tried it |
| 19:56.57 | Cide | get a g9x! |
| 19:57.10 | haste | glares at his mx500. |
| 19:57.50 | foxlit | http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=084 is what I currently use. |
| 19:57.54 | DWSR | Ugh |
| 19:58.18 | Pneumatus | my mx500 died ages ago :< |
| 19:58.52 | DWSR | I'm using an MX5500 |
| 19:58.55 | DWSR | With a Razer Naga. |
| 19:58.58 | haste | mine doesn't have a logitech logo anymore! |
| 19:59.07 | Pneumatus | i have a mx revolution now |
| 19:59.21 | Pneumatus | i hated my mx500, it got so scummy at the end of the mouse buttons |
| 19:59.40 | Pneumatus | well, i loved it, but i hated that it got scummy :< |
| 20:00.02 | Arrowmaster | i think i had that same problem too, but my mx518 seems to have a lot better coating on it |
| 20:00.21 | Arrowmaster | i also stripped the coloring off of my mx500 too |
| 20:00.38 | Pneumatus | MX revolutions coating is the same, mine has half lifted already |
| 20:00.58 | zenzelezz | cog|away: just guessing randomly now since I don't recall details off-hand... did you try using NULL instead of _hWnd in GetMessage()? |
| 20:01.09 | zenzelezz | I think WM_QUIT isn't sent to the window |
| 20:01.15 | cog|away | oh |
| 20:01.31 | cog|away | yeah it's supposed to be null |
| 20:01.33 | cog|away | >< |
| 20:02.33 | Shirik | woah woah woah |
| 20:02.40 | Shirik | We're discussing Win32 APIs and I have not been invited? |
| 20:02.42 | Shirik | screw you all |
| 20:02.55 | cog|away | Shirik: you were |
| 20:02.59 | Shirik | negative |
| 20:03.02 | zenzelezz | <cog|away> zenzelezz: or anyone higher than a white belt in win32-fu: #include <windows.h> <--- guess Shirik just said he doesn't have knowledge |
| 20:03.13 | Shirik | Did not ping me! |
| 20:03.14 | Shirik | Unacceptable |
| 20:03.27 | DWSR | ~failrik |
| 20:03.28 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 20:03.35 | zenzelezz | what, your client doesn't ping on "/win32/i"? |
| 20:03.35 | DWSR | You obviously should have Win32 on highlight. |
| 20:03.40 | zenzelezz | ^ |
| 20:03.54 | cog|away | sighs at himself |
| 20:03.56 | cog|away | thanks zenzelezz |
| 20:03.58 | Shirik | also, cog|away should be shot for #include <windows.h> directly |
| 20:04.01 | zenzelezz | been there, done that |
| 20:04.05 | Shirik | you need to #define WIN32_MEAN_AND_LEAN |
| 20:04.08 | Shirik | er |
| 20:04.09 | zenzelezz | Shirik: no |
| 20:04.11 | Shirik | WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN |
| 20:04.22 | zenzelezz | VC_EXTRALEAN if anything |
| 20:04.30 | Shirik | ok sure |
| 20:04.34 | Shirik | but ONE of them |
| 20:04.42 | zenzelezz | but WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN is so ancient it doesn't help much. I believe it pre-dates (modern) DLLs? |
| 20:04.43 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:04.44 | Shirik | not WIN32_OMG_I_WANT_EVERYTHING_IN_THE_WORLD |
| 20:04.47 | Fisker | i was swindled :( |
| 20:04.53 | Shirik | it's still pretty standard |
| 20:05.08 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:05.15 | Fisker | I WAS SWINDLED |
| 20:05.24 | Shirik | WINDLED |
| 20:05.28 | DWSR | You want a cookie? |
| 20:05.37 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:05.41 | Fisker | swindled |
| 20:05.42 | cog|away | according to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/166474 VC_EXTRALEAN is simply WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN with some extra definitions for MFC |
| 20:05.46 | DWSR | I'm going for 0 overhealing as a resto druid in instances. |
| 20:05.52 | DWSR | People are getting annoyed at how low their health gets. |
| 20:06.11 | foxlit | you're doing it wrong. |
| 20:06.16 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:06.19 | DWSR | It's fun. |
| 20:06.22 | DWSR | I never run out of mana. |
| 20:06.28 | Thunder_Child | thats usual |
| 20:06.31 | nevcairiel | You run out of mana when you overheal? |
| 20:06.31 | Fisker | give me free xbox live gold Shirik :( |
| 20:06.36 | nevcairiel | Then you're doing it wrong |
| 20:06.38 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Only level 30, so yes. |
| 20:06.42 | Shirik | Fisker, play halo with me |
| 20:06.43 | zenzelezz | cog|away: yeah, I was just going to say I was wrong about extra lean |
| 20:06.44 | Shirik | so I can destroy you |
| 20:07.10 | Teomyr | cog|away: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms644936%28VS.85%29.aspx - read the "warning" section, i think this might be the issue |
| 20:07.13 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Unfortunately, I don't have tree form yet, and I don't have some other fun shit, so yeah, I run out of mana if I spam regrowth. |
| 20:07.29 | nevcairiel | you run out of mana when you spam regrowth on 80 too :P |
| 20:07.36 | zenzelezz | Teomyr: not the issue, but an issue |
| 20:07.42 | cog|away | ^ |
| 20:07.44 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Don't have Nourish Yet. |
| 20:08.07 | nevcairiel | dont you have a major glyph at that level already? |
| 20:08.21 | nevcairiel | glyph ht :d |
| 20:09.07 | DWSR | Pft. |
| 20:09.10 | DWSR | are you fucking kidding me? |
| 20:09.13 | DWSR | I glyphed regrowth. |
| 20:09.30 | DWSR | I left HT unglyphed because I have NS. |
| 20:09.37 | DWSR | It's my ZOMG TOP OFF TANK NAO |
| 20:09.59 | nevcairiel | glyphed ht is a nice flash heal if you dont have nourish yet |
| 20:10.11 | DWSR | glyphed regrowth is better, imo. |
| 20:10.18 | nevcairiel | eats your mana |
| 20:10.19 | DWSR | heals for the same as an unglyphed HT |
| 20:10.24 | DWSR | less mana. |
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| 20:10.42 | DWSR | also, leaves hots rolling after. |
| 20:11.03 | DWSR | I tend to abuse 5SR immensely. |
| 20:11.08 | Lunessa | cog|work: You ran XP 64, yes? |
| 20:11.51 | durcyn | that's not a polite question. |
| 20:12.06 | cog|work | Lunessa: nope |
| 20:12.11 | Lunessa | Ok, thanks. |
| 20:12.19 | nevcairiel | i "ran" it, a few years back :p |
| 20:12.21 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I know that I'll be changing it up later. |
| 20:12.29 | cog|work | Failed to install the first and last time i tried it |
| 20:12.41 | Lunessa | I was wondering if the System Properties page said 64bit on it somewhere? |
| 20:12.48 | krka | what about all the times in between? |
| 20:13.08 | cog|work | Lunessa: does it have 4+ gigs of physical ram? |
| 20:13.32 | cog|work | 'cause if it only tells you ~3 gigs then you know :) |
| 20:13.34 | Lunessa | I'm asking for general means of identifying the OS type. |
| 20:13.41 | cog|work | yeah, no idea ... |
| 20:13.45 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: http://extended64.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.PostAttachments/00.00.00.01.16/System-Properties.jpg_2D00_500x400.jpg |
| 20:13.51 | nevcairiel | google image search ftw |
| 20:14.11 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Thanks |
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| 20:16.05 | Lunessa | You just totally justified my keeping IRC open constantly at work. /bow |
| 20:17.21 | zenzelezz | just tell your boss it means Internet Research Consultants |
| 20:17.32 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 20:18.33 | Cide | go eclipse |
| 20:18.40 | Cide | The word 'Proxy' is not correctly spelled: |
| 20:18.48 | Cide | - Change to 'Borax' |
| 20:18.50 | Cide | ??? |
| 20:18.54 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 20:20.18 | DWSR | Ok |
| 20:20.20 | DWSR | What. the. fuck. |
| 20:20.28 | DWSR | LFD gave me SM GY 9 times in a row. |
| 20:20.40 | Fisker | hello nevcairiel |
| 20:24.47 | alestane | It'll do that in a certain level range. |
| 20:26.23 | Pneumatus | bring back the days of it being a 15 min trip for alliance to get to SM :< |
| 20:26.32 | kd3 | ugh, no |
| 20:28.37 | Fisker | my farts smell kd3 |
| 20:28.52 | zenzelezz | how do you know what kd3 smells like? |
| 20:30.38 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think that's what he said, I think he was claimings that his farts are actively attempting to smell kd3 |
| 20:30.54 | cog|work | that is the only grammatically correct interpretation, imo |
| 20:30.55 | ZorbaTHut | if you want to know what kd3 smells like, you'd presumably want to ask fisker's farts. |
| 20:31.17 | cog|work | Fisker: comma fail or "like" fail |
| 20:31.35 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, I found myself frequently undoing the "random dungeon" and just choosing the two or three dungeons that I actually wanted to do. you'll get the same dungeon many times in a row otherwise. |
| 20:32.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: i've done the same, especially after i've reached the point where i cant get any more useful loot from the bag, and i have quests incomplete because i have -never- gotten the dungeon in question. |
| 20:32.25 | NightHawkTheSane | shakse a fist at ZF |
| 20:32.36 | NightHawkTheSane | s/se/es/ |
| 20:32.43 | NightHawkTheSane | slaps purl |
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| 20:33.07 | ZorbaTHut | depending on your role, it can also be worthwhile to check the highest dungeon you can get into |
| 20:33.16 | ZorbaTHut | more xp per kill + not significantly slower kills = more xp per hour |
| 20:33.35 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, hadn't considered taht. |
| 20:33.37 | NightHawkTheSane | that* |
| 20:33.54 | NightHawkTheSane | not a bad idea, though. |
| 20:34.00 | ZorbaTHut | something I always do as DPS (admittedly, sometimes sacrificing my easy #1 on the DPS meters in the process) |
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| 20:34.21 | ZorbaTHut | I'm a bit more hesitant to do it as tank or healer, I'm having trouble with the Wrath changeover on my DK. Those bosses hit hard. :( |
| 20:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i could probably do it as a healer too |
| 20:34.31 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, maybe at that level |
| 20:34.41 | ZorbaTHut | Probably doable though, especially as healer if you're willing to go through water like, well, water. |
| 20:34.49 | NightHawkTheSane | my healers in the early-50s, and i couldve easily done it in the 30-50 range |
| 20:35.09 | ZorbaTHut | healers don't really have much of a per-level healing penalty, so it oughta be fine actually |
| 20:35.20 | ZorbaTHut | tanks get *really* massacred by monsters above a certain level. |
| 20:35.21 | Thunder_Child | uber lag go! |
| 20:35.25 | Thunder_Child | ~wowalert |
| 20:35.26 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 20:35.35 | NightHawkTheSane | well, the biggest issue would be getting into a high level group with a tank who's not QUITe up to it, and not having the thruput to deal with it |
| 20:35.42 | ZorbaTHut | true |
| 20:35.49 | ZorbaTHut | though on my healer I'd consider that a fun challenge |
| 20:35.59 | ZorbaTHut | since I'm just plain not challenged at appropriate gear levels. |
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| 20:36.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's like, renew, shield, smite smite smite smite smite, renew, smite smite smite, oh look I'm #2 on the dps meter |
| 20:36.37 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i'd agree, but if it gets to the point where you cant keep teh tank alive.. that just kinda stops being fun :) |
| 20:36.45 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, that just means you have to learn how to rock out |
| 20:37.09 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i've yet to -get- to that point, I'm just saying it could theoretically exist : |
| 20:37.12 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 20:37.23 | ZorbaTHut | are you wearing sunglasses indoors? if not, do so. then, purchase electric guitar and comically oversized amplifier |
| 20:40.18 | NightHawkTheSane | is installing ubuntu in a VM, while running ubuntu.. |
| 20:40.21 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 20:40.36 | ZorbaTHut | yo dogg, I heard you liked Ubuntu? |
| 20:40.44 | foxlit | "How do you pronounce Colossi?" "Colussopusses!" |
| 20:41.09 | DWSR | Co, loss, eye |
| 20:41.27 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, paladins can't use staffs, can they? |
| 20:41.37 | foxlit | "Singular: OP; Plural: NEEEEEERRRFFFF" |
| 20:41.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: no. |
| 20:41.46 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Nope. |
| 20:41.52 | ZorbaTHut | well that's irritating |
| 20:42.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: i'm doing it to try and resolve some stupid java issue i'm having. >< my coworker has nearly the same setup and his environment works, mine doesn't. *shrug* |
| 20:44.05 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:44.06 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:44.17 | foxlit | slaps a trout around with a small Fisker. |
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| 20:47.35 | cog|work | trouts fisker around with a large slap |
| 20:48.04 | foxlit | Fisker: http://www.kino.dk/billetter.aspx?date=23-04-2010&movieid=4455 << It's pathetic. |
| 20:48.23 | foxlit | (a) In any sane market, DVDs are already out |
| 20:48.30 | foxlit | (b) It's showing in *one* cinema. One. |
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| 20:51.46 | cog|work | Shirik: here's that term i was trying to think of a few months ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequence_point |
| 20:52.10 | Lunessa | foxlit: Are you saying you need someone to buy and mail you a region 1 DVD or the movie? |
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| 20:52.55 | foxlit | Lunessa: I can probably get it off amazon :) |
| 20:53.07 | Lunessa | Yeah. Much easier. :) |
| 20:54.32 | nevcairiel | why a region 1 specfically? :p |
| 20:55.25 | Lunessa | Region 1 DVDs are generally what's for sale here in the US. I was just being a jackass. |
| 20:55.45 | cog|work | has a region-free player |
| 20:56.12 | Lunessa | Regions were a bad idea from the outset. |
| 20:56.35 | nevcairiel | the disc being NTSC is usually more trouble then the region |
| 20:56.44 | cog|work | sadly it doesn't do progressive scan, but I only use it for a couple PAL box sets that you can only get individual discs in teh US (if you can even find them) |
| 20:57.01 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, they're a great idea for some people |
| 20:57.10 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: I curse PAL format. |
| 20:57.16 | ZorbaTHut | namely, those who own the movies that are being distributed on them |
| 20:57.23 | nevcairiel | luckily ntsc/pal have both been replaced by 24p now |
| 20:57.28 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, studios who want to sell you multiple copies of the same movie. |
| 20:57.33 | cog|work | My Panasonic TV (or was it Philips?) supported both out of the box |
| 20:57.54 | zenzelezz | so I'm seeing conflicting reports about how much Gizmodo supposedly paid for this "4G" iPhone... from 5-10k |
| 20:58.22 | Lunessa | I bought a copy of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy in the 90s and spent twice as much getting it converted from PAL to NTSC as I did for the min-series itself. |
| 20:59.02 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: the only figure i've heard is $5k |
| 20:59.02 | cog|work | today you could get that done for free :P |
| 20:59.02 | nevcairiel | These days you can do that yourself in half an hour or so :d |
| 20:59.17 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: http://www.edibleapple.com/gizmodo-paid-10000-for-lost-iphone-4g/ |
| 21:00.53 | DWSR | It was $5k yesterday. |
| 21:01.08 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: this nyt article indicates it was $5k, and i'm more inclined to believe it: www.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/technology/companies/20apple.html |
| 21:01.30 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: like I said, I'm seeing conflicting reports |
| 21:02.11 | Lunessa | cog|work: Today I would do it myself. |
| 21:02.33 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: *nod* that link is the first time i've seen a number other than $5k. *shrug* |
| 21:06.18 | DWSR | The instance limit is account wide? |
| 21:06.35 | Pneumatus | uhuh |
| 21:06.55 | DWSR | wow, that's fail. |
| 21:07.10 | DWSR | I've apparently entered too many instances recently when I go to try and do VoA. |
| 21:07.31 | DWSR | Even though THERE'S 9 OTHER FUCKING PEOPLE ALREADY IN TEH GODDAMN INSTANCE |
| 21:08.40 | zenzelezz | that's a lot of upvotes... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454 |
| 21:08.59 | zenzelezz | you'd like it Shirik, it's about regex! |
| 21:10.05 | foxlit | " HTML is not a regular language and hence cannot be parsed by regular expressions." |
| 21:10.10 | foxlit | Quick, downvote it. |
| 21:10.37 | foxlit | [It does recover, though] |
| 21:13.23 | Thunder_Child | http://img.lulz.net:8080/src/225494503_27ec9bab2d.jpg <-- is supposedly a maggot |
| 21:13.38 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: that post is epic. |
| 21:13.51 | foxlit | It's kind of misdirected, though |
| 21:14.28 | foxlit | You can do what the question asks for using regular expressions, even without all the non-regular stuff afforded by preg. |
| 21:15.17 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing it had more to do with the abundance of less specific questions posted about the topic =) |
| 21:15.21 | Fisker | Shirik i got swindled |
| 21:15.26 | durcyn | holy shit, zenzelezz |
| 21:15.54 | alestane | "Would it be cruel if i sold xanax instead of adderall to freshman unfamiliar to the drug-taking profession?" |
| 21:20.47 | alestane | ... http://notalwaysright.com/innocence-lost/5097 |
| 21:20.50 | alestane | ...what? |
| 21:21.48 | foxlit | grumble, Wikipedia |
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| 21:22.08 | foxlit | has no Fooling Set article :*( |
| 21:22.39 | zenzelezz | what's Fooling Set? |
| 21:23.19 | foxlit | see, without Wikipedia to answer that question, we're lost :( |
| 21:23.48 | foxlit | [It's a way to prove that a particular language requires an NFA of a certain complexity] |
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| 21:24.53 | Fisker | help me Shirik |
| 21:25.27 | zenzelezz | he needs somebody |
| 21:25.29 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/04/20/funny-pictures-cat-has-issues/ |
| 21:25.37 | alestane | Not just anybody. |
| 21:29.49 | Kraps | huh, the arena tourny costs money? |
| 21:29.53 | DWSR | yes |
| 21:31.33 | Kraps | it's played on the wow servers like regular arena? |
| 21:32.00 | DWSR | No. |
| 21:32.05 | DWSR | It's played on a special tournament realm. |
| 21:32.20 | kd3 | [[Arena Tournament]] |
| 21:32.24 | kd3 | ... |
| 21:32.29 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Arena_Tournament |
| 21:33.08 | foxlit | is a 3v3 http://www.wowwiki.com/Arena_PvP_system tourney |
| 21:33.19 | foxlit | a tourney, then! |
| 21:33.47 | foxlit | ... kd3 introduced that phrasing. |
| 21:33.50 | foxlit | I'm shocked. |
| 21:33.59 | kd3 | wha, 'tourney'? |
| 21:34.24 | foxlit | tourney. It's right there in the first revision O.O |
| 21:34.30 | kd3 | ya |
| 21:35.18 | Fisker | giev arena tournament in denmark |
| 21:35.29 | Fisker | damn racism! |
| 21:36.18 | DWSR | QQ moar. |
| 21:36.20 | DWSR | damn scrubs! |
| 21:36.32 | Thunder_Child | you could always move Fisker |
| 21:36.57 | Fisker | "move" |
| 21:37.05 | DWSR | How do MLG hold their WoW tourneys? |
| 21:37.06 | foxlit | To Sweden. |
| 21:37.14 | DWSR | On live realms? |
| 21:37.32 | Hjalte | DWSR: Blizzard provides servers I believe |
| 21:37.33 | Fisker | some of them have sponsored private realms |
| 21:37.39 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 21:37.46 | nicoli_s | btw if you wanna see some cool sc2 stuff check out http://i44.tinypic.com/29d8wmr.png |
| 21:37.47 | DWSR | ah |
| 21:38.12 | Fisker | would've been cooler if you hadn't failed by mirroring it |
| 21:40.46 | nicoli_s | fisker: i didnt take the pic |
| 21:45.57 | Zyn | map-editor? :S |
| 21:46.12 | Zyn | oh I see heightmap |
| 21:46.46 | Zyn | "SC2 MAPSTER" |
| 21:47.05 | Thunder_Child | i know people are stupid, but this just hurts http://notalwaysright.com/a-b-c-easy-as-d-u-h/5086 |
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| 21:55.25 | Zyn | and I -still- aint got a SC2 key, and I'm mostly interested in the god damn editor >:[ |
| 21:55.35 | Zyn | this is terrible |
| 21:55.42 | foxlit | Not that the editor is out |
| 21:55.48 | foxlit | So you aren't actually missing out on anything |
| 21:55.57 | Zyn | waiting for it |
| 21:56.20 | Thunder_Child | i think you are in the wrong channel for that |
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| 21:57.41 | Kraps | Canadian residents are not required to pay an Entry Fee in order to enter. Instead, Canadian residents may enter by submitting a 250 word typewritten essay comparing tournament video gaming in Canada to tournament video gaming in the United States on 8 ½ x 11 inch paper and mailing their essay to Essay Entry for The 2010 North American Blizzard Entertainment Arena Tournament, P.O Box 18979,... |
| 21:57.43 | Kraps | ...Irvine, CA 92623. |
| 21:57.48 | Kraps | what the fuck |
| 21:58.06 | Ackis | arena? |
| 21:58.12 | Ackis | I wrote an essay last year |
| 21:58.13 | Kraps | yeah |
| 21:58.20 | Kraps | what the fuck |
| 21:58.30 | Ackis | you aren't allowed to charge for contests in Canada |
| 21:58.35 | Dagmar | That um.. that's actually pretty cool |
| 21:58.44 | Zyn | grab your pen and papers |
| 21:58.52 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.52 | Ackis | my essay outlined how it was difficult to play games in igloos |
| 21:58.57 | Dagmar | Yeah they're basically buying market intelligence |
| 21:58.57 | Ackis | (seriously) |
| 21:59.45 | Kraps | Ackis: you got in? |
| 21:59.58 | Ackis | last year? yeah |
| 22:00.53 | Kraps | and if at the end of twenty (20) minutes there is no clear winner in the second match, as determined by Sponsor in its sole discretion, the winning Arena Team will be determined based on which Arena Team did the most damage to its opponent during the initial match. |
| 22:00.57 | Kraps | hehe |
| 22:01.18 | foxlit | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.massively.com/media/2010/04/shutupgetonmywowhorse-1271429779.jpg << I was waiting for this photoshop |
| 22:01.45 | Thunder_Child | waah |
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| 22:04.12 | durcyn | terrible artwork. |
| 22:05.40 | Thunder_Child | it's a flash vid |
| 22:06.01 | durcyn | flash is terrible. QED. |
| 22:12.39 | ArrowmasterClass | so my teacher is saying that processors with multiple cores are not the same as having multiple cpus, and that on multi core processors only one core is doing any work at a time but the other cores are receiving data to process |
| 22:13.01 | kd3 | uh, no? |
| 22:13.03 | ArrowmasterClass | although he did just call 64bit intel processors itaniums |
| 22:13.06 | Thunder_Child | true iirc |
| 22:13.06 | foxlit | Yes, but no. |
| 22:13.11 | kd3 | that was true in the hyperthreading days... |
| 22:13.27 | Thunder_Child | they switch back and forth so fast it's vurtually like that but still one at a time |
| 22:13.43 | Dagmar | How much trouble do you think it would be to get a refund there? |
| 22:14.18 | ArrowmasterClass | talking about front-side bus now, why even bother mentioning dead tech |
| 22:14.34 | Adys | http://www.google.com/governmentrequests/ |
| 22:14.45 | foxlit | dead tech is important. |
| 22:14.52 | foxlit | Besides, what do you want instead? |
| 22:14.57 | Adys | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/20/AR2010042002866.html |
| 22:15.01 | Thunder_Child | heh, china is '?' |
| 22:15.05 | foxlit | Magical pixie dust that communicates ram contents to the CPU? |
| 22:15.14 | Dagmar | Because it's still somewhat relevant in that the current designs stem from overcoming shortcomings of the FSB |
| 22:15.28 | Ackis | ArrowmasterClass: ask him about 8 inch floppies |
| 22:15.35 | Dagmar | I kidna doubt that in a multi-core box only one core is working at any given time |
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| 22:16.08 | Dagmar | Ackis: They're only good for showing to people on LSD |
| 22:16.11 | ArrowmasterClass | well talking about it FSB like its still current tech, could at least mention its nolonger used in new designs |
| 22:16.28 | Dagmar | You've not taken the A+ have you... |
| 22:16.34 | ArrowmasterClass | i have |
| 22:16.43 | Dagmar | Then how does this come as a suprise to you at all? |
| 22:16.53 | Dagmar | SoTA goes *way* faster than curriculum can |
| 22:16.59 | ArrowmasterClass | had to answer questions about dos and serial and parallel ports |
| 22:17.29 | Dagmar | They'll be getting renamed GPI soon |
| 22:17.36 | Dagmar | (Geeky Peripheral Interconnect) |
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| 22:18.08 | ArrowmasterClass | i dont think there is anything on the A+ about processor internals |
| 22:18.23 | Dagmar | Mainly they didn't expect a repair person to have to care |
| 22:18.29 | Dagmar | A+ is about fixin', not designin' |
| 22:18.46 | Ackis | laughs at A+! |
| 22:18.49 | Ackis | HAH |
| 22:18.52 | Ackis | laughs at Fisker too |
| 22:18.54 | Ackis | HAHA |
| 22:19.17 | Dagmar | I'm sorely tempted to go take that exam cold, but I've got more pressing matters |
| 22:19.52 | ArrowmasterClass | you dont have it? |
| 22:19.56 | Dagmar | If they'll get their crap current it might entice me |
| 22:20.19 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I started repairing PCs and network stuff professionally in um, 95. |
| 22:20.49 | Dagmar | Unless some place is super, super stuck on having certifications, they will not give a damn |
| 22:20.58 | Dagmar | Plus, nowhere really pays enough |
| 22:21.20 | ArrowmasterClass | A+, Network+, and Security+ are no longer lifetime starting in 2011, if you get them during 2010 they are still lifetime |
| 22:21.31 | Dagmar | Yeah I might worry about it in the fall then |
| 22:21.39 | Dagmar | Security+ *should NOT* be lifetime |
| 22:21.43 | Ackis | lifetime certs are stupid anyways |
| 22:21.49 | ArrowmasterClass | this guy is saying AMD overclocks their processors by default |
| 22:21.55 | Dagmar | Ask for a refund. |
| 22:22.05 | ArrowmasterClass | and that amd is cheaper because they use RISC |
| 22:22.10 | Dagmar | Either that or ask him to pee in a cup. |
| 22:22.15 | ArrowmasterClass | afaik intel uses RISC too |
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| 22:22.37 | Dagmar | With that last statement, a dip test isn't going to show much int he way of hallucinogens, but he *could* still be on PCP |
| 22:22.50 | Ackis | remember dip switches? |
| 22:22.54 | Ackis | those were fun |
| 22:23.20 | Dagmar | I'll stick with soft-set CMOS thankyewverymuch |
| 22:23.54 | Dagmar | I remember dip switches WELL. THey were only beneficial in that they meant you didn't tend to have jumpers getting sucked up in the vacuum cleaner as much |
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| 22:24.58 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: AMD Athlon/Opteron/etc and Intel I7-etc are not RISC |
| 22:25.13 | Dagmar | SPARC and DEC Alpha were RISC. |
| 22:25.35 | Dagmar | There's nothing of "reduced instruction set" about a machine with buttloads of instructions just to compute trig, for example |
| 22:25.53 | ArrowmasterClass | x86 was RISC after a while |
| 22:27.53 | Dagmar | Not in a long time tho |
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| 22:28.31 | Dagmar | Look at WP's article on that |
| 22:28.44 | ArrowmasterClass | x86 was originally CISC but then it became RISC with a layer on top to make it look like the older CISC |
| 22:29.33 | Dagmar | They snatched some tech from what they learned |
| 22:29.42 | Dagmar | It doesn't make a modern x86 RISC |
| 22:31.24 | Cide | Shirik: wanna play some? |
| 22:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | Nargles. |
| 22:31.35 | Shirik | give me about 10 minutes |
| 22:32.17 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: The lines have blurred quite a bit since P3 days, but just look at the number of instructions loaded into a 64-bit chip sometime |
| 22:32.24 | Dagmar | ...and the way they're dealt with |
| 22:33.09 | Kraps | what would possess someone to make a thread like this? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401902217&sid=1 |
| 22:33.39 | Cide | ok |
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| 22:34.32 | Dagmar | Kraps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syphilis#Neurosyphilis |
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| 22:35.41 | Kraps | ok that is disgusting |
| 22:36.13 | Fisker | fucking bitches olafski |
| 22:36.13 | ArrowmasterClass | i just corrected him on the itanium thing |
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| 22:40.41 | jnwhiteh | penis |
| 22:40.44 | jnwhiteh | amirite? |
| 22:40.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 22:40.52 | Lopeppeppy | Very correct. |
| 22:40.53 | frontendloader | very wrong. |
| 22:41.36 | frontendloader | Please place gentials in the correction vice for summary judgement and destruction. |
| 22:41.54 | Lopeppeppy | Meep, no. I like them where they are. |
| 22:42.38 | Shirik | ok ide |
| 22:42.41 | Shirik | cide* |
| 22:43.09 | Cide | I'm an integrated development environment now, nice |
| 22:43.18 | Lopeppeppy | Is it contagious, my precious? |
| 22:43.48 | Cide | ide's are contagious |
| 22:44.00 | Cide | let's go Shirik |
| 22:44.58 | Shirik | apparently I need tofind batteries |
| 22:45.35 | Cide | for what? |
| 22:45.44 | Lopeppeppy | for what? *weg* |
| 22:46.21 | Shirik | for my mouse |
| 22:46.49 | Cide | did you get a new wireless mouse that's not self-rechargable? |
| 22:46.55 | Cide | that sounds fail! |
| 22:47.02 | Shirik | I paid $30 for it |
| 22:47.21 | Cide | fair enough |
| 22:47.29 | Cide | then you need a bigger mouse budget |
| 22:48.06 | Lopeppeppy | I think we're gonna need a bigger box. |
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| 22:49.15 | Shirik | cide |
| 22:49.17 | Shirik | wat u doin yo |
| 22:50.23 | Cide | did you deteriorate to the average battle.net player? |
| 22:54.01 | Kraps | http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36213_Video-_James_Dean_and_Ronald_Reagan_Circa_1954 |
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| 23:04.45 | Dagmar | Kraps: Some british kings are suspected to have suffered from it, as well as Napoleon and Hitler |
| 23:04.57 | Dagmar | OBVIOUSLY some French kings as well |
| 23:05.45 | Dagmar | If that's out of the question, my fallback answer is "rabies" |
| 23:06.17 | Kraps | Dagmar: heres another |
| 23:06.20 | Kraps | It irks me that they are wasting development hours on revamping fishing, a meta game that is pretty much where it needs to be in my opinion. When we are in the closing days of Wrath and I still do not have a dance studio. |
| 23:06.48 | Dagmar | Kraps: I um... A dance studio... |
| 23:06.50 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 23:07.13 | Dagmar | On the other hand if someone has some bright idea that can make fishing a little less painfully boring, LET'S HAVE IT |
| 23:07.55 | Kraps | but but, dance studio was ON THE BOX!!!!111111 |
| 23:07.55 | Dagmar | The only thing that makes me able to deal with fishing up ingredients for Great Feast is that at least where you have to do it is somewhat exotic and thematic |
| 23:08.18 | Dagmar | Out there on the ice flows, just you and some suspicious looking penguins and your trusty pole |
| 23:08.43 | Dagmar | It's the sort of environment hairy little dwarves thrive in |
| 23:11.37 | Gintaro | WTB Fishing Chair |
| 23:11.44 | Gintaro | So I can fish without using my mouse |
| 23:11.51 | Gintaro | Make it behave like a vehicle |
| 23:12.00 | Dagmar | @#$@!#$ where'd all the netbooks with SSDs run off too |
| 23:12.03 | Dagmar | Damn windows |
| 23:12.22 | Gintaro | Dagmar, that'll teach you not to put a lock on your netbooks |
| 23:12.26 | Dagmar | Looks like it's back to trawling Craigslist and just buying an SSD |
| 23:12.50 | Dagmar | Ginatro: I'm trying to avoid the whole "strapping a laptop to the rear rack of a scooter" thing |
| 23:13.04 | Dagmar | A netbook will fit nicely in an underseat compartment |
| 23:13.17 | Dagmar | ...and an SSD *won't* die if I hit a series of bumps no one in a car gives a damn about |
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| 23:13.49 | Gintaro | Get better car suspension! |
| 23:13.58 | Dagmar | You missed where I said "scooter" didn't you |
| 23:14.28 | Gintaro | No, but you followed up with car |
| 23:14.38 | Gintaro | But a HDD shouldn't really care either if the heads are parked |
| 23:14.43 | Dagmar | In the car, my current laptop is perfectly safe. |
| 23:14.48 | Dagmar | Just being belted into the seat is plenty |
| 23:15.20 | Dagmar | Gintaro: Strapping the thing to the little rack behind the seat is dodgy at the best of times |
| 23:15.38 | Dagmar | I would be much happier if I could just shove the thing in a padded mailer and stick it in the underseat compartment. It's not like my helmet fits in there |
| 23:15.51 | Gintaro | You could always get a backpack |
| 23:15.56 | Dagmar | "beeg american skull" |
| 23:16.13 | Dagmar | It's *in* a backpack when I'm strapping it there, or the screen would get killed pretty quick |
| 23:16.29 | Gintaro | You could wear it |
| 23:16.41 | Gintaro | that backpack that is |
| 23:16.43 | Dagmar | Clearly the Chinese did not take into account larger craniums when designing these bikes |
| 23:16.47 | Gintaro | since it's a backpack |
| 23:17.00 | Dagmar | Gintaro: That's suboptimal tho |
| 23:17.19 | Dagmar | If nothing else, it winds up being hot |
| 23:17.26 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/04/virtual-keyboard-for-google-search.html |
| 23:17.43 | Dagmar | Unless you've got chitinous plates on ya, riding without a leather jacket is risky |
| 23:18.12 | Dagmar | Adys: I was looking at that yesterday. It's a bit too tiny for my tastes |
| 23:18.43 | Dagmar | If there were a way to resize it to just take up the bottom 1/4 of the browser window, it would keep me from having to code one up |
| 23:19.58 | Dagmar | I'd just be using theirs if there were a straightforward way to resize it |
| 23:19.58 | Gintaro | I'd buy a SSD if it wasn't so expensive |
| 23:20.54 | Dagmar | I'm about to head to the coffee house so I can load up on caffiene while I sort out what I'm doing wrong that's keeping the vkeyboard layer from sticking to the bottom of the browser window |
| 23:22.08 | Dagmar | We've got these two NEC tablets at work that were just given to us becuase they were prototypes. We use them for inventory stuff and it would be NICE if we could have the screens rotate to portrait mode |
| 23:22.14 | Lopeppeppy | I am a cat toy. Who knew? |
| 23:22.21 | Dagmar | ...except the intel video driver and the touchpad driver aren't on the same page about that. |
| 23:22.49 | Dagmar | X on the other hand, has no such problems... beyond that I've got to build a special kernel for Slax with the touchpad and wireless drivers in it |
| 23:23.52 | Dagmar | Being that these things are prototypes that NEC has apparently elected to not follow through with, it seems like just adding a javascript keyboard to the web app we've built is the more permanent answer to the problem (and not buying iPads) |
| 23:24.09 | Dagmar | Chrome works full screen on the things great |
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| 23:40.46 | WobWork | Dagmar: did you see that EB merchandise page? |
| 23:43.23 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 23:43.48 | WobWork | I like the sulky bat one |
| 23:44.35 | Dagmar | They need to make one to advertise the Mandrake |
| 23:48.16 | alestane | Your cats always knew, Peppy. |
| 23:48.18 | WobWork | "Where are my sodding crickets?" You can almost see the implied ">:\" |
| 23:51.05 | alestane | "Why aren't you using the customer appreciation bat?" |
| 23:53.07 | WobWork | http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwesl/egw/jones/differences.htm |
| 23:56.33 | ArrowmasterClass | Dagmar: have you tried using a window manger that automatically keeps the windows tiled? |
| 23:57.00 | Dagmar | I could try that but then the problem becomes that all the virtual keyboard apps I've seen *suck* with respect to the button sixze |
| 23:57.14 | Dagmar | osk.exe is laughably small |
| 23:57.25 | ArrowmasterClass | exe? |
| 23:57.33 | ArrowmasterClass | i thought you were using linux |
| 23:57.38 | Dagmar | Xvkbd is in the same boat, although it's pretty featureful |
| 23:57.49 | Dagmar | The thing currently has Windows XP embedded on it |
| 23:58.00 | Dagmar | It's 'hard drive' is an SDCard slot |
| 23:58.06 | Dagmar | ...so at least reinstalling is stupidly easy |
| 23:58.37 | Dagmar | I've been running Slax off a spare 2Gb SDcard |
| 23:59.48 | Dagmar | I'd go with whichever option makes it workable |
