| 00:03.16 | kd3 | h wow. hella neat video on nasa tv atm... launch highlights of sts-131. all kinds of camera angles I don't recall seeing before |
| 00:06.06 | cbreak | didn't that obama guy close down nasa? |
| 00:06.31 | cbreak | I read he outsourced launches of human personal to the russian space agency |
| 00:06.45 | Lopeppeppy | for different values of "close down". He kept some aspects open, but you hear much less about that. |
| 00:07.07 | cbreak | ah well |
| 00:07.11 | cbreak | as long as the rovers rove |
| 00:07.20 | cbreak | and hubble hubbles along |
| 00:07.35 | Dagmar | ...and we keep the terrible secret of space a secret. |
| 00:07.51 | Lopeppeppy | There is no space, only Zuul |
| 00:07.52 | cbreak | it's... FULL OF STARS!? |
| 00:09.08 | Dagmar | They're sending up humaniform robots now |
| 00:09.13 | Dagmar | ...or rather they're getting ready to. |
| 00:09.18 | Dagmar | It should do the trick. |
| 00:10.24 | Dagmar | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/terriblesecret |
| 00:16.26 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 00:16.28 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 00:16.30 | Fisker | i can't sleep |
| 00:17.11 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:17.14 | Shirik | watch MLG with me |
| 00:17.40 | Fisker | n |
| 00:17.41 | Fisker | o |
| 00:18.31 | Adys | I crashed gmail |
| 00:18.32 | Adys | \o/ |
| 00:18.53 | kd3 | o_O |
| 00:19.52 | Shirik | y |
| 00:19.53 | Shirik | e |
| 00:19.53 | Shirik | s |
| 00:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | tsk tsk |
| 00:20.42 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: wrong |
| 00:20.44 | Adys | t |
| 00:20.45 | Adys | s |
| 00:20.45 | Adys | k |
| 00:21.04 | Shirik | adys |
| 00:21.09 | Shirik | I cannot accept spamming in this channel |
| 00:21.10 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't had enough rum to risk gettin' yelled at by Cairenn! :P |
| 00:21.15 | Shirik | please refrain from doing that again |
| 00:21.33 | Adys | Shirik: STFU NOOB |
| 00:21.39 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy is drinking? have one for me! or two or three or ten |
| 00:21.47 | Shirik | and me |
| 00:21.51 | Shirik | I never drink though |
| 00:21.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh baby. On my third rum and coke right here and now. |
| 00:21.58 | Shirik | so if you drink for me that means you don't get to drink for another 3 months |
| 00:22.01 | kd3 | mmm... rum & coke |
| 00:22.07 | Adys | .. rum & coke? |
| 00:22.10 | Lopeppeppy | Morgan's kicks ass and takes names. |
| 00:22.51 | alestane | Remind me to bring you some eggnog next time the winter comes around. |
| 00:23.07 | Adys | Nice try Fisker |
| 00:23.10 | Fisker | :(? |
| 00:23.14 | alestane | ball-gags Fisker. |
| 00:23.16 | Fisker | don't strip it bro |
| 00:23.22 | Adys | gags Fisker's balls |
| 00:23.24 | Fisker | i'm excited alestane :( |
| 00:23.33 | Fisker | gags Adys using Fisker's balls |
| 00:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | Why are you dilluting good rum with eggy crap? |
| 00:26.06 | Adys | throws eggs on Lopeppeppy's rum |
| 00:26.13 | Lopeppeppy | Noooooo! Murderer! |
| 00:26.29 | Adys | thats what she said, right? |
| 00:27.02 | alestane | Must remember that you don't like many things I do...this is pretty darn good eggnog. |
| 00:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | eggy diluting my rum. |
| 00:27.37 | alestane | The rum is actually a splash for flavor all told...mostly it's brandy. |
| 00:28.56 | Dagmar | Rum is loaded with spices--some which used to make it extra special |
| 00:28.57 | Lopeppeppy | eggs without rum? Why bother? |
| 00:31.57 | alestane | Can't win with you. |
| 00:32.08 | alestane | Well, taking away the eggs would probably be a win. |
| 00:32.22 | Lopeppeppy | See? |
| 00:32.28 | Lopeppeppy | Rum is left. Is a win!!! |
| 00:32.31 | Amarande | is beginning to hate system installation |
| 00:32.33 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not that hard to please, honest. |
| 00:32.41 | alestane | Also have to mix a proper DWS for both of you at some point. |
| 00:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | Any time you mix it, I will drink one. |
| 00:33.11 | Lopeppeppy | I think I could drink just one. |
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| 00:33.37 | alestane | It's not supposed to be harsh. |
| 00:34.47 | Amarande | LF operating system that doesn't have bugs with at least one critical part of the PC I'm trying to set up. |
| 00:38.06 | Lopeppeppy | I don't often drink in mixed comany. Drinking one is a feat. |
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| 00:39.47 | Cairenn | alestane: heh |
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| 00:42.42 | Adys | "ahaveievemnt run"'s" |
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| 00:47.28 | batrick | http://www.vidiload.com/index.php?page=videos§ion=view&vid_id=101060 |
| 00:47.44 | batrick | Cairenn: ^ you'll like that |
| 00:49.54 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:53.22 | Adys | awesome |
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| 00:58.52 | kd3 | ouch |
| 00:58.59 | kd3 | we got creamed but still won the battle of attrition |
| 00:59.02 | kd3 | by ~120 kills |
| 00:59.16 | cbreak | battle of attrition? |
| 00:59.19 | Adys | sc2? |
| 00:59.24 | kd3 | isle of conquest |
| 00:59.31 | cbreak | those are short |
| 00:59.36 | Adys | wtf is the battle of attrition then? |
| 00:59.45 | kd3 | they ran out of resources |
| 00:59.45 | cbreak | AV of old is more it |
| 00:59.48 | Adys | ah |
| 01:00.01 | Adys | isle of conquest is usually the one i lose on |
| 01:00.17 | kd3 | and by creamed I mean "we've lost our gate but all of the horde gates are >75%" |
| 01:00.19 | Adys | but since i never get isle of conquest in randoms... |
| 01:01.00 | kd3 | ...lmfao. they used the stargate sg-1 OP as the wakeup music for today on the shuttle |
| 01:01.33 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.44 | Fisker | *croses fingers for the 500 member limit in the guild ui* |
| 01:01.52 | Fisker | also the silly guild management system |
| 01:02.11 | Fisker | "Oh hey we have to implement a rank that isn't at the bottom of the system, MOTHERFU.." |
| 01:02.20 | Adys | its annoying but |
| 01:02.34 | Adys | i wish you'd see the kind of data thats transmitted in my guild |
| 01:02.39 | Adys | which has ~490 members |
| 01:02.56 | Fisker | i've been part of 3 restructures of ranks with a guild of similar size |
| 01:03.00 | Fisker | it's horrible |
| 01:03.03 | Adys | i meant on the wire |
| 01:03.08 | Adys | you get 10kb packets every minute or so |
| 01:03.11 | Fisker | :3 |
| 01:03.19 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 01:03.20 | Fisker | i forgot |
| 01:03.33 | Adys | SMSG_GUILD_UPDATE or something |
| 01:03.44 | Fisker | oh |
| 01:03.47 | Fisker | i thought you meant addon data |
| 01:04.02 | Adys | instead of telling you "this member is not in tanaris anymore! he's in dalaran!" |
| 01:04.06 | Adys | it updates the entire roster |
| 01:04.11 | Fisker | :3 |
| 01:04.25 | Fisker | They should probably think about redoing addon comm as well |
| 01:04.27 | Adys | telling you everything about every char, including officer notes, player notes, level, class, name |
| 01:04.28 | Adys | ... |
| 01:04.43 | Fisker | :( |
| 01:04.46 | kd3 | instead of just deltas? sigh |
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| 01:05.25 | Adys | i should write a wow client on top of my graphics engine |
| 01:11.42 | foxlit | "We hope to get this change in for Cataclysm, but weâre changing the UI for the spell book, talent pane, professions window, character stats, guild, friends and probably a dozen things Iâm forgetting, so itâs just a matter of how much time we have. " |
| 01:12.11 | Fisker | old |
| 01:14.37 | Amarande | demotes Fisker to Twilight Fan |
| 01:15.10 | Adys | is there an addon that tells you in the tradeskill UI when a specific skill goes yellow/green/grey ? |
| 01:15.19 | Fisker | old Amarande |
| 01:15.25 | Amarande | heh ... how many addons are there that *won't* break on 4.0 patch day? |
| 01:15.36 | Amarande | Adys: yes |
| 01:15.39 | kd3 | probably about as many that didn't break on 2.0? |
| 01:15.40 | Amarande | lemme check what it was called |
| 01:15.55 | Amarande | c'mon slowpoke curse client |
| 01:16.08 | Amarande | TradeskillInfo |
| 01:16.47 | Adys | okay yeah thats huge bloated and not up to date |
| 01:18.23 | Adys | Amarande: unless you know of another one, ill write one |
| 01:25.22 | Amarande | Adys: you mean it doesn't just datamine the yellow/green/grey info out of the game? |
| 01:26.04 | Adys | i was thinking of something that only shows tradeskill green/yellow/grey data |
| 01:26.49 | Amarande | well, that's all I really use TSI for anyway |
| 01:27.05 | Amarande | that and it lets me see at a glance in the AH which recipes will actually be new buys for my alts |
| 01:27.08 | Adys | exactly, and it does a lot more than that :p |
| 01:27.18 | Amarande | since I always use the AH with my one AH alt that doesn't even *have* any professions heh |
| 01:30.41 | Adys | usability poll, what's better if you want to see what level a specific skill item goes green/grey/yellow |
| 01:30.57 | Adys | 1. Having it on the same like; Smelt Mithril [150 / 175 / 200] |
| 01:31.08 | Adys | 2. Having it as a tooltip when hovering the skill item |
| 01:31.21 | Adys | 3. In the detail panel when clicking on the skill item |
| 01:32.03 | Amarande | well, I don't mind 3) (which is what TSI does), but 1) would probably be my favorite |
| 01:32.21 | Adys | Im afraid it could get crowded |
| 01:32.23 | Amarande | 2) might interfere with ATSW, and 3) sometimes results in ugly hard to read text if the "Requires:" line is more than one line |
| 01:32.29 | Adys | i was thinking of something like |
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| 01:32.49 | Adys | showing the next skill step (if its yellow, show when it turns green) on the same line |
| 01:32.55 | Adys | and show all details on the detail page |
| 01:33.04 | bleeter | Iriel: you neeed to see this pic, trust me http://www.flickr.com/photos/ice-cold/4497761488/ |
| 01:33.11 | bleeter | everyone else should look too, btw |
| 01:33.26 | Adys | Iriel: Don't trust him, it's probably goatse |
| 01:33.48 | bleeter | "What do you call taking a photo of a volcanic eruption together with the Northern lights on a starry night ? "Once in a lifetime opportunity" doesn't really cover it." |
| 01:34.06 | Cairenn | wow, that's am amazing photo! |
| 01:34.08 | Adys | yeah it's pretty |
| 01:34.14 | Cairenn | that's (horribly) gorgeous |
| 01:34.24 | Iriel | That's pretty cool. |
| 01:34.25 | Adys | it's also stupidly low resolution =( |
| 01:34.30 | Adys | if you know of a higher res one |
| 01:35.08 | bleeter | Adys: I'd guess he's keeping the hi-res well locked up tight |
| 01:35.21 | bleeter | would be worth a few thousand on the poster market |
| 01:35.26 | Lopeppeppy | I want my Junior Mints! Where did Junior Mints go at the movies? I want a 12 pound Nestle Crunch for $25! < Name that song for a hug! |
| 01:35.47 | Adys | see that disgusts me somewhat |
| 01:36.05 | Lopeppeppy | .... noooooo! |
| 01:36.07 | Adys | I'm all for the sell-the-rights way to do it |
| 01:44.51 | Hirsute | *sigh* I'm way too tired to figure this out right now. I've got a script that parses data from a csv file. I used to parse 8 fields per row, but now only need 7 of those fields. Sometimes I get the full eight fields, and it hoses my script, so I'm trying to add some sanity checking that's more robust than, "If there are 8 columns per fow, skip the 7th one," but rather, more along the... |
| 01:44.53 | Hirsute | ...lines of, "Look at the header row, find what field numbers match up with the pieces I want, and ignore anything else as you process further rows," but I just cannot code that right now (script is in perl). |
| 01:44.55 | Hirsute | ... |
| 01:45.02 | Hirsute | And that was a very long complaint, my apologies. |
| 01:45.29 | Hirsute | It probably doesn't help that I've been up for...40 hours now. |
| 01:45.51 | Iriel | Does it parse CSV properly (quoted strings and such) or is it a bit of a hack-job? |
| 01:46.16 | Iriel | If it's a robust parser, then why not parse to an array then use an array slice to only take the first 7 entries |
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| 01:53.52 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: btw its been pointed out that a taint bug i reported in the default ui over a year ago still exists, i swear i better get a damn cookie if it ever gets fixed |
| 01:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | ~cookie Arrowmaster |
| 01:55.04 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, sorry, purl can't help you. |
| 01:55.22 | Iriel | They've sadly got several persistent lingering bugs |
| 01:55.42 | Arrowmaster | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11676470259&sid=1&pageNo=3#59 |
| 01:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | When it's as big and complex as WoW... sometimes those bugs just persist. |
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| 01:58.30 | Arrowmaster | foxlit was running into it with Opie and couldnt figure out what was causing it, and his debugstacks looked oddly familiar from the first time i was tracking that issue down |
| 02:00.35 | Hirsute | Iriel: It parses them fairly well, including quoted strings. I guess the robustness I'm looking for is to not have to know in advance that it's the nth field I want to skip, if present, but to be able to use the header row, which will always be there, to identify the fields I want (and thus the ones I'm not interested in) regardless of what order they come in. |
| 02:01.49 | Hirsute | It really probably isn't all that hard, but I keep getting lost in the code after 30 or 40 lines. |
| 02:02.09 | Hirsute | Probably just time for bed. |
| 02:02.13 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe you need sleep, dear. |
| 02:02.38 | Jamash | 40 hours awake is bad news |
| 02:02.54 | Hirsute | *nod* Taking care of people who aren't right in the head for 36 hours, including one who died over night, and then coming home and trying to code. Yeah, I'm worn out in more ways than one. |
| 02:03.13 | Hirsute | As soon as the kids are asleep, I'm going to crash. |
| 02:03.21 | Jamash | good idea |
| 02:03.51 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Hirsute. It seems needful. |
| 02:04.05 | Shirik | huggles Hirsute also |
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| 02:11.20 | Iriel | Hirsute: I have a bunch of code like that actually at work, I read the header row, create a 'mapping table' of input colum to "location" I want it mapped to in my input, and then map each row before processing |
| 02:11.24 | Iriel | The processing uses the 'mapped' row |
| 02:14.02 | Hirsute | Lopeppeppy, Shirik: Thank you! Iriel: Aye, kind of the approach I was taking. It's the processing using the mapped row that I keep getting lost in. I find myself staring at it, knowing that it isn't what I want, but not being able to come up with anything different. It's pretty much just time for bed. Maybe I'll fix this code while my wife is raiding tomorrow. |
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| 02:14.20 | Iriel | That sounds like a good idea |
| 02:14.38 | Hirsute | On a lighter note: I got my mage to 80 today |
| 02:14.42 | Jamash | grats yo |
| 02:15.05 | Iriel | Nice, well done |
| 02:15.11 | Iriel | I haven't gotten a mage past the 40's yet |
| 02:15.22 | Iriel | Actually i'm not sure i've gotten a mage TO the 40's yet |
| 02:15.34 | Jamash | I <3 my mage, but he's pretty low level |
| 02:15.49 | Hirsute | *cheer* I think I may have found the right class for me. I have a warrior and a hunter, and I like playing both, but I just have the hardest time in the world pulling good dps in raids with them. With this fire mage I'm pulling twice the dps as a new 80 as I do on either of the other two in T8/9 gear. |
| 02:15.59 | Jamash | nice |
| 02:16.03 | Jamash | mages are great |
| 02:16.09 | Hirsute | Melting faces is fun. |
| 02:16.21 | Jamash | I may have to level a mage in cata |
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| 02:16.45 | Hirsute | I do need to look up some builds, particularly a frost dps build to replace my current frost AoE grinding build, check out the glyphs, etc. |
| 02:16.57 | Jamash | I mean, flame orb? awwwww yeah |
| 02:17.09 | Hirsute | Which, by the way, there is a very disappointing dearth of minor glyphs that do anything cool or interesting for mages. |
| 02:17.18 | Jamash | s/for mages// |
| 02:17.28 | Jamash | well there's penguin |
| 02:18.30 | Hirsute | Jamash: On my hunter and warrior I found minor glyphs that do things that are cool/interesting for me. Don't necessarily give me much improvement in competetive play, but make me a little happier playing. The penguin and the slowfall glyph are the only ones interesting to me as minor glyphs on my mage. Still haven't filled the third minor glyph spot on either build right now. |
| 02:18.39 | Jamash | yeah same |
| 02:19.40 | Jamash | I think they dropped the ball on minor glyphs in general |
| 02:20.12 | Jamash | there's too few, most of them are useless or boring |
| 02:21.17 | Wobin | more minor glyphs that remove reagent requirement plz |
| 02:21.28 | Jamash | remove reagents plx |
| 02:23.25 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 02:23.32 | Hirsute | Mmmmm. Fried Ice Cream |
| 02:23.45 | Hirsute | Hey. |
| 02:23.57 | Hirsute | I just figured out how I want this code to work. |
| 02:24.10 | Hirsute | Ice cream: Solving the world's problems one little line of code at a time. |
| 02:24.23 | Jamash | nice |
| 02:27.08 | Hirsute | Parsing the header row: build a hash with field names as the keys, empty values at first, also build a numerically indexed array with the field names as values. Subsequent rows: for i = 1,#parsedstring ($myhash(@array[i]) = field_value). (horrid pseudocode, but that should do it. |
| 02:27.11 | Hirsute | ) |
| 02:27.26 | Jamash | whee |
| 02:27.51 | kd3 | fail. the armory doesn't have the celestial steed's icon |
| 02:27.52 | Hirsute | Then just grab the named keys I want. |
| 02:27.54 | kd3 | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=54811 |
| 02:28.23 | Hirsute | kd3: s/ doesn't have the celestial steed's icon// |
| 02:28.27 | Hirsute | There, fixed that for you. |
| 02:28.31 | kd3 | it's there, refresh |
| 02:28.57 | Hirsute | Still not there for me. |
| 02:30.12 | Hirsute | By the way: I really wish they'd make all flying mounts work like that: Summonable in nonflying areas, just unable to fly there. |
| 02:30.17 | Jamash | yeah |
| 02:30.27 | Jamash | although all the dragons in org would kind of clutter up the place |
| 02:30.31 | Hirsute | Also: My slow flying mounts should be able to run as fast as my fast ground mounts. |
| 02:30.57 | Hirsute | Never played horde side. Though I image that SW is probably a reasonable comparison |
| 02:31.04 | Wobin | beh |
| 02:31.07 | Wobin | no |
| 02:31.09 | kd3 | sw is crowded with land mounts |
| 02:31.17 | kd3 | I fear to think what proto-dragons would do in the ah district |
| 02:31.27 | Wobin | Why make them summonable in noflying area? |
| 02:31.41 | Wobin | it's like making a parking lot in a park |
| 02:31.57 | Hirsute | Wobin: Because they can run, even in flyable areas, why shouldn't they be able to run in nonflyable areas? |
| 02:32.19 | Wobin | and they take up ridiculous amounts of space |
| 02:32.22 | Wobin | and block everything |
| 02:32.28 | Hirsute | And the mammoth doesn't? |
| 02:32.38 | Hirsute | Or the bears? |
| 02:32.44 | Wobin | more people have flying mounts than mammoths |
| 02:32.54 | Hirsute | Both of those are bigger than my little gryphon |
| 02:32.54 | Wobin | and the bears are smaller than most drakes |
| 02:33.32 | Wobin | but why a gryphon? |
| 02:33.37 | Wobin | when your land mount is just as fast on the ground? |
| 02:33.49 | Hirsute | correction: faster |
| 02:34.00 | Hirsute | At least on my mage who doesn't have epic flying yet |
| 02:34.13 | Wobin | ... so? |
| 02:34.16 | Wobin | why? |
| 02:34.26 | Wobin | (psst, you're proving my point better =P) |
| 02:34.39 | Hirsute | *shrug* Because it's one of my little neurotic irritations. |
| 02:35.16 | Hirsute | I don't really have a point to prove. It's just always bugged me that my gryphon, who can run just fine in outland and northrend is apparently unable to even venture into Dun Morogh |
| 02:35.45 | Hirsute | And yet my night saber, who cannot fly, makes the trip out to OL and NR just fine |
| 02:35.54 | Hirsute | As does my Mecha-bawk |
| 02:36.28 | Hirsute | Ultimately: I'm just feeling cantankerous because I'm tired and my kids are being snots about going to bed so I can go to bed. |
| 02:37.53 | Hirsute | Anyhow. Good night everyone. I'm going to go see if reading a story will put me or my kids to sleep the fastest. |
| 02:37.57 | Hirsute | *wave* |
| 02:39.47 | Adys | !api spell_cast |
| 02:39.52 | lua_bot | CURRENT_SPELL_CAST_CHANGED: Fires when the player starts or stops (cancels or finishes) casting a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CURRENT_SPELL_CAST_CHANGED) |
| 03:00.32 | Adys | that's funny |
| 03:00.49 | Adys | seems you can sign anyone up for a random bg |
| 03:00.56 | Adys | even opposite faction |
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| 03:03.24 | Adys | interesting, you can even sign someone up in your own level bracket |
| 03:05.34 | kd3 | ! |
| 03:06.57 | Adys | how does this shit get through QA |
| 03:07.47 | Shirik | signs up Adys |
| 03:08.03 | Adys | I think that's grammatically incorrect |
| 03:11.05 | Arrowmaster | are you saying you can sign anyone up for your level bracket or you can sign up anybody in your level bracket? |
| 03:13.59 | Wobin | signs Adys up |
| 03:15.19 | Adys | Arrowmaster: you can sign anyone up for the level bracket you would sign yourself up to |
| 03:15.42 | Arrowmaster | so you can get an 80 into a 10-19? |
| 03:16.18 | Dagmar | Surely SOMETHING stops that before it happens |
| 03:17.19 | Wobin | man |
| 03:17.30 | Adys | Arrowmaster: Looks like it yeah |
| 03:17.33 | Wobin | Backgrounder is the most awesome app for the mobile authenticator |
| 03:17.53 | Adys | for now i just managed to get a lvl 67 in a lvl 80 bracket |
| 03:18.13 | Adys | funny thing is this probably works for arenas too |
| 03:18.27 | Dagmar | If you could get 80's into the newb leagues, wouldn't the forums be a bit filled with histrionics? |
| 03:18.49 | Adys | Dagmar: it doesnt exactly involve doing anything legal :P |
| 03:18.54 | Dagmar | I can't really see a bunch of puffed up twinks taking it well if an 80 came in and one-shotted everyone |
| 03:18.58 | Arrowmaster | what class/spec would devastate the 19 twinks the most? boomkin? |
| 03:19.05 | Adys | DK |
| 03:19.23 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I think at 80 a frost mage could just wand people to death |
| 03:19.37 | Adys | molten armor would do the trick |
| 03:20.01 | Dagmar | I'm thinking warlock succubus in aggro mode |
| 03:20.05 | Arrowmaster | if everybody is just running like hell from the 80 molten armor wouldnt do much |
| 03:20.30 | Arrowmaster | hunter pet |
| 03:20.38 | Dagmar | THere's engineering pets that could decimate a group of 19's |
| 03:20.55 | Arrowmaster | some of those twinks have a lot of HP for a lvl 19 |
| 03:20.57 | Thrae | I'm actually gearing up two Druids with BoA items, but I can't get the Staff of Jordan since Alliance wins WG about once per day. Through a lifetime of doing the WG quests, I was able to afford just the Shoulders and Inherited Insignia. |
| 03:20.59 | Dagmar | ...although I think the succubus doing a whammy on people would be more luls |
| 03:21.27 | Dagmar | Thrae: Just kinda keep an eye on it. It's not like you're not allowed to mail it over after you get the toon up a few levels |
| 03:21.48 | Dagmar | I gotta say it's also a little annoying at times with the heirlooms while leveling |
| 03:21.52 | Thrae | Well, lifetime of WG quests and doing randoms whenever we have WG |
| 03:21.59 | Thrae | Dagmar: Yeah I know |
| 03:22.07 | Dagmar | You'll score a badass shoulder piece or a robe or a weapon and the answer is always "Nope, it would be a serious downgrade" |
| 03:22.15 | Thrae | Hehe |
| 03:22.29 | Dagmar | I gotta find something as flexible as PassLoot for selling loots |
| 03:22.38 | Dagmar | ...just so I don't have to even look at them anymore. |
| 03:22.49 | Thrae | Well in my case, my main is a Druid and my job is to get my alt to level 80 ASAP, with some fun PvP inbetween. Then the BoA items go to my third Druid, who will be a twink. |
| 03:23.10 | Dagmar | ArkInventory will readily categorize any soulbound items I can't (or won't use) into one box, but something to get them out of my inventory along with all the grey items would be handy |
| 03:23.22 | Thrae | Bah, I'll wear a clown costume until Wrath of the Cataclysmic Crusade, the 10th Expansion, if it has the best stats. |
| 03:23.30 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 03:23.38 | Dagmar | Yeah, reminds me of EQ |
| 03:24.02 | Dagmar | I collected a set that got me to 95% of what I could potentially get with +int on it, but it all looked like leather |
| 03:24.07 | Thrae | Speaking of Druids, we need more Druid-friendly unit frames that aren't just healer-friendly |
| 03:24.14 | Dagmar | Oddly people never seemed to figure out until it was too late that there are no high-elf rogues |
| 03:24.25 | Dagmar | begins to cast Ice Comet |
| 03:25.07 | Dagmar | casts Teleport: Effing Lost |
| 03:25.43 | Thrae | Well, that last sentence was just me complaining about failing to hack an oUF unit frame to include proper Feral Druid support. I need to hack oUF itself, which means I need to hack haste's code...and haste loves to use weird crap |
| 03:26.02 | Dagmar | During beta I noted very grimly that half the time my mage was the spitting image of ImaNewb |
| 03:26.31 | Dagmar | Green pants, purple tunic, orange shoulders, blue shoes... Yuck. |
| 03:27.29 | Thrae | Speaking of beta, one thing Cataclysm needs to add in its revamping of Azeroth -- the return of Captain Placeholder. There are so many jokes now in WoW it doesn't matter his name doesn't make sense. He doesn't have to do anything, just stand there. |
| 03:27.56 | Dagmar | Oh yes |
| 03:28.03 | Dagmar | I would so be taking screenshots with him |
| 03:28.15 | Dagmar | "He's back! YAY!" |
| 03:28.21 | Thrae | Captain Placeholder gets all the babes. |
| 03:39.00 | Adys | I wanted captain placeholder back when they added Old Hillsbrad |
| 03:39.58 | kd3 | lmao. that would've been awesome |
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| 03:48.54 | Thrae | Anyone with mastery of more than just English? |
| 03:50.55 | Thrae | Nevermind, I forgot about Orcs. |
| 04:12.14 | Thrae | I made a scenario for the return of Captain Placeholder, complete with epic backstory and an arch-nemesis -- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24401900121&postId=243995441743&sid=1#0 |
| 04:31.01 | Wobin | Spriest |
| 04:31.05 | Wobin | crit or SP? |
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| 04:37.17 | Thrae | Crap, I laughed at my own joke. That has to be a sign I suck. |
| 04:38.45 | Sesshu | is there a way to make the table: 0xFFFFFFFF in lua? |
| 04:40.38 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 04:40.49 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring({}) |
| 04:40.54 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: table: 0x8e5f000 |
| 04:41.00 | Jamash | is it just me or is wowhead's item comparison feature borken |
| 04:42.15 | Sesshu | lua> tostring({}) |
| 04:42.18 | lua_bot | Sesshu: table: 0x9728000 |
| 04:42.22 | Sesshu | lua> tostring{} |
| 04:42.23 | lua_bot | Sesshu: table: 0x95ec0c8 |
| 04:43.04 | Sesshu | will he replay table: 0xffffffff sometime?^^ |
| 04:43.12 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:43.22 | Arrowmaster | since that number is too big |
| 04:44.59 | Dagmar | It's um, unwise to try to arbitrarily declare those types of references |
| 04:45.06 | Arrowmaster | lua> local t = {}; while tostring(t) ~= "table: 0xfffffff" do t = {} end |
| 04:45.14 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 04:45.17 | Jamash | haha |
| 04:45.26 | Sesshu | tz |
| 04:45.40 | Sesshu | go and buy a new cpu lua_bot |
| 04:45.48 | Dagmar | When some nice people went to all the trouble to give you magic variables, you don't just go stabbing that mechanism with a sharp stick |
| 04:46.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah i doubt its even possible to get 0xfffffff |
| 04:46.25 | Dagmar | You're probably right, but still... bad juju |
| 04:46.42 | Arrowmaster | lua> local t = {}; while tostring(t) ~= "table: 0x9ffffff" do t = {} end |
| 04:46.51 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 04:47.07 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring({}) |
| 04:47.07 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: table: 0x9c1a000 |
| 04:47.07 | Dagmar | You might stand a chance if it weren't odd |
| 04:47.26 | Arrowmaster | lua> tostring({}) |
| 04:47.27 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: table: 0x937b000 |
| 04:47.46 | Arrowmaster | lua> local t = {}; while tostring(t) ~= "table: 0x9fff000" do t = {} end |
| 04:47.51 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 04:47.55 | Arrowmaster | damnit |
| 04:47.56 | Dagmar | er not odd... zeros at the end |
| 04:47.59 | Sesshu | hehe |
| 04:48.08 | Dagmar | Ah well |
| 04:48.17 | Wobin | http://www.noxychu.com/upload/CelestialComic.jpg |
| 04:48.19 | Wobin | oh god |
| 04:48.19 | Arrowmaster | lua> local t = {}; while tostring(t) ~= "table: 0x93ff000" do t = {} end |
| 04:48.23 | Wobin | I have that song stuck in my head |
| 04:48.25 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 04:48.26 | Wobin | after only -one- watching |
| 04:48.47 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: ? |
| 04:48.49 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSMeUPFjQHc&feature=player_embedded |
| 04:48.51 | Dagmar | Wobin: That is _awesome_ |
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| 04:50.35 | Dagmar | The... horror... |
| 04:50.51 | Dagmar | Wobin: I *like* Erasure but I can't believe how PRIMITIVE it sounds now |
| 04:51.08 | Wobin | hehe |
| 04:51.10 | Dagmar | The chinese sell keychains capable of playing as those instruments |
| 04:51.26 | Wobin | it's so -classic- =) |
| 04:51.50 | Wobin | and live in harmony, harmony, oh looove! |
| 04:51.56 | Dagmar | It needs a rave remix. |
| 04:52.02 | Wobin | absolutely |
| 04:52.11 | Wobin | you could do some awesome remixes with that |
| 04:52.49 | Dagmar | Yep. Someone's done an epic trance one |
| 04:53.01 | Dagmar | I should absolutely NOT be suprised by that one |
| 04:53.36 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQQ-NFW9Ze8 |
| 04:53.38 | Arrowmaster | that one? |
| 04:53.50 | Dagmar | Yeah the Microbots one |
| 04:54.23 | Dagmar | The reason I shouldn't be suprised is that there was this _sizable_ faction of people in San Francisco who clearly felt that everything should be epic trance. |
| 04:55.09 | Dagmar | ...and you would see some of them occasionally driving around in a convertible of some type, basically cruising, and playing epic trance which could somehow not acutally drown out how flaming they were |
| 04:55.52 | Dagmar | Not that I have anything against gay people |
| 04:56.04 | Dagmar | It was just so ... extreme you have to see it to believe it |
| 05:04.12 | kd3 | damn it... rolled an 89. needed a 90 to get the verdant sphere |
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| 07:00.51 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMANB6YnshU |
| 07:04.15 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_-HtEy8a04 |
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| 07:18.23 | mikma | http://www.wikihow.com/Rid-Your-Computer-of-Adware%2C-Spyware-and-Viruses |
| 07:22.51 | Thrae | Anyone alive? |
| 07:23.06 | Thrae | I was hoping to talk about bad drop rates. |
| 07:23.11 | Cairenn | nope |
| 07:23.13 | Cairenn | all dead |
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| 07:24.23 | Thunder_Child | murders Cairenn |
| 07:24.30 | Cairenn | is murdered |
| 07:24.46 | Thunder_Child | i thought you were dead already |
| 07:25.28 | Thrae | "Alive" is a networking term ;) |
| 07:25.31 | Cairenn | then how could you murder me? |
| 07:25.53 | Thrae | But anyway, I shall murder you with theorycraft about drop rates and how they could be improved (not should, just could). |
| 07:26.03 | Thrae | Boring people to death is my specialty. |
| 07:26.28 | Thrae | So there are drops that literally equate to decades of time needed to invest to get the drop. |
| 07:27.01 | Thrae | I think this is wrong. There should only be maybe 1-2 drops in the entire game that have that level of scarcity. |
| 07:28.18 | Thrae | There should be tiers of scarcity, and right now the top tier is too bloated with stuff you probably will never get. |
| 07:29.22 | Thrae | At the top tier maybe 10 active players should have it on one server. Next tier, 1000. Next tier, 10,000. You get the picture. |
| 07:29.48 | Thrae | But it seems like right now there's the top tier and there's the bottom tier and not much in-between. |
| 07:32.31 | Thrae | For instance, I farmed the "Love is in the Air" boss every day multiple times per day for the length of the event and saw one out of the 4 possible rare drops, and it dropped twice in about 100+ encounters. Cosmic forces aside, that means the other stuff was even more rare, probably putting all 4 drops in the "top tier" of rarity. |
| 07:33.26 | Thrae | Wait, make that 500 attempts, I forgot you can do it 5 times for 5 people, and I did it with more than one group per day (alts). |
| 07:34.40 | Thrae | Although I didn't start farming on day 1, which makes me think...was Blizzard clever enough to have drops they want to be "top tier" rare get rarer as more people have them on the server? |
| 07:35.52 | Thrae | That wouldn't explain 1/4 phenomenon I experienced, but it would explain some things and make Blizzard more clever...yet I doubt that's the case, I think it's all just one tiny random algorithmn. |
| 07:37.27 | Thrae | So I guess I want random drops to be fuzzy-random instead. |
| 07:37.40 | Thrae | I must meditate on the fuzzy logic. |
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| 07:48.29 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 07:48.30 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
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| 08:30.24 | mikma | http://kotaku.com/5519272/team-fortress-2-takes-a-trip-to-pride-rock |
| 08:34.10 | mikma | http://kotaku.com/5519235/left-4-dead-2s-the-passing-is-coming-next-week |
| 08:36.44 | mikma | http://sites.google.com/site/jsparakov/level-design/badwater-basin |
| 08:37.39 | Fisker | mikma |
| 08:39.57 | Wobin | http://i.imgur.com/PHmF5.jpg |
| 08:41.05 | mikma | wobin: so jnwhiteh|away is going with the "Very Trustworthy" beard atm |
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| 08:52.25 | Sixen | Hey, i'm in between Mildy Trustworth and Very trustworthy. |
| 08:52.28 | Sixen | Goatee + Mustache. |
| 08:55.22 | Fisker | i got the hitler |
| 09:10.31 | Shirik | I am so sick of people that think along the lines of "because I'm on the internet with someone I'll never see again, it's OK to be a jackass to them" |
| 09:11.09 | Fisker | yeah |
| 09:11.18 | Fisker | meeting the jackasses are so much more personal |
| 09:11.30 | Fisker | is* |
| 09:11.36 | Fisker | or idk |
| 09:12.33 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Activision_Blizzard&diff=prev&oldid=355588239 |
| 09:15.31 | Arrowmaster | that page needs updating, it lists Infinity Ward as a current studio |
| 09:16.13 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:16.24 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: {{sofixit}} |
| 09:19.57 | haste | I thought infinity ward still existed |
| 09:20.08 | Arrowmaster | in name only |
| 09:20.34 | Shirik | Does anyone else watch this "drinky crow show"? |
| 09:20.53 | Sesshu | drinky crow show? |
| 09:21.01 | Shirik | worst cartoon ever |
| 09:21.04 | Shirik | except maybe superjail |
| 09:21.10 | Sesshu | oh |
| 09:21.18 | Sesshu | i habe to watch that |
| 09:21.20 | Sesshu | have |
| 09:21.22 | Shirik | no you don't |
| 09:21.27 | Shirik | I have a better idea |
| 09:21.32 | Shirik | stab your eyes out with a spork |
| 09:21.46 | Sesshu | okay |
| 09:22.05 | Sesshu | takes a spork |
| 09:22.43 | Shirik | now stab Fisker |
| 09:23.23 | Sesshu | stabs Fisker very hard and very slowly |
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| 09:28.31 | Fisker | bitchduck haste |
| 09:28.33 | Fisker | and Shirik |
| 09:28.49 | Shirik | and Fisker |
| 09:29.16 | Fisker | and Sesshu |
| 09:29.30 | Sesshu | and wat |
| 09:30.11 | Sesshu | and lua_bot |
| 09:30.15 | Sesshu | ! |
| 09:30.40 | Shirik | purl, say lua> "hi" |
| 09:30.41 | purl | lua> "hi" |
| 09:30.46 | Shirik | :< |
| 09:30.46 | lua_bot | purl: hi |
| 09:30.46 | purl | salut, lua_bot |
| 09:30.52 | Shirik | :> |
| 09:30.54 | Sesshu | omg |
| 09:31.08 | Sesshu | bots are talking to each other |
| 09:31.34 | Shirik | purl, say lua> "say lua> \"hi\"" |
| 09:31.35 | purl | lua> "say lua> \"hi\"" |
| 09:31.39 | lua_bot | purl: say lua> "hi" |
| 09:31.40 | purl | lua> "hi" |
| 09:31.44 | lua_bot | purl: hi |
| 09:31.44 | purl | hello |
| 09:32.15 | Wobin | http://niemann.blogs.nytimes.com/ |
| 09:32.21 | Shirik | I need a quine |
| 09:34.01 | Fisker | i need a Shirik |
| 09:34.28 | Shirik | oh baby :3 |
| 09:37.55 | Sesshu | -bash: ./luac.out: cannot execute binary file |
| 09:38.06 | Sesshu | am i too stupid to use luac or what? |
| 09:38.12 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:38.12 | Sesshu | >.< |
| 09:38.32 | Arrowmaster | you still have to run the binary file using the lua executable |
| 09:38.50 | Shirik | cannot execute binary file |
| 09:38.57 | Shirik | what DO you execute then? |
| 09:39.12 | Shirik | It is so obvious OSS projects have no kind of checking for grammar, etc. |
| 09:39.55 | Sesshu | uhm |
| 09:40.25 | Sesshu | only tryed to compile the helloworld.lua |
| 09:40.40 | Arrowmaster | lua is not a compiled language |
| 09:40.45 | Shirik | ... |
| 09:40.47 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 09:41.00 | Shirik | Sesshu:what's the command you ran? |
| 09:41.13 | Sesshu | ./lua.out |
| 09:41.21 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt compile native executables |
| 09:41.31 | Shirik | Sesshu: what is lua.out? |
| 09:41.58 | Sesshu | the file that comes out when i time luac helloworld.lua |
| 09:42.00 | Arrowmaster | Sesshu: run lua.out using the lua binary |
| 09:42.04 | Shirik | lua ./lua.out |
| 09:42.11 | Shirik | or |
| 09:42.15 | Shirik | it's like -f or some shit |
| 09:42.24 | Shirik | but yes, you need to run lua |
| 09:42.29 | ZorbaTHut | or just run it through lua, very few people bother using luac |
| 09:42.43 | Fisker | have i got a deal for you Shirik |
| 09:42.48 | Shirik | no |
| 09:43.56 | Sesshu | k thank you for making me wiser |
| 09:43.59 | Fisker | i do Shirik |
| 09:44.08 | Shirik | no |
| 09:45.08 | ZorbaTHut | honestly I'm with shirik on this one |
| 09:45.27 | Fisker | i come to you Shirik |
| 09:46.40 | Shirik | ? |
| 09:47.01 | Fisker | i come to you |
| 09:47.11 | krka | purl, say lua> "say lua> "say lua> \"say lua> "1"\""" |
| 09:47.12 | purl | lua> "say lua> "say lua> \"say lua> "1"\""" |
| 09:47.13 | lua_bot | purl: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '"say lua> "' |
| 09:47.29 | krka | hm |
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| 09:49.16 | Sesshu | (krka): you forgot a lot of backslashes |
| 09:49.21 | krka | maybe i did! |
| 09:49.53 | krka | purl, "say lua> \"say lua> \"say lua> \\\"say lua> \"1\"\\\"\"\"" |
| 09:49.59 | Shirik | purl, luafy is <reply> lua> "luafy" |
| 09:50.00 | purl | Shirik: okay |
| 09:50.10 | Shirik | purl, luafy |
| 09:50.11 | purl | lua> "luafy" |
| 09:50.11 | krka | damn, my script is bad |
| 09:50.28 | Shirik | aw, the "somebody said that in the last X seconds" stopped it |
| 09:50.42 | krka | make a counter! |
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| 09:53.29 | krka | purl, say lua>[[say lua>[=[say lua> "1"]=]]] |
| 09:53.30 | purl | lua>[[say lua>[=[say lua> "1"]=]]] |
| 09:53.31 | lua_bot | purl: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '[[say lua>[=[say lua> "1"]=]]' |
| 09:53.49 | krka | lua>[[test]] |
| 09:53.49 | lua_bot | krka: test |
| 09:54.11 | krka | purl, say lua>[[say lua>[=[say lua> "1"]=] ]] |
| 09:54.12 | purl | lua>[[say lua>[=[say lua> "1"]=] ]] |
| 09:54.12 | lua_bot | purl: say lua>[=[say lua> "1"]=] |
| 09:54.13 | purl | lua>[=[say lua> "1"]=] |
| 09:54.14 | lua_bot | purl: say lua> "1" |
| 09:54.15 | purl | lua> "1" |
| 09:54.15 | lua_bot | purl: 1 |
| 09:54.16 | purl | 1 is a number, silly |
| 09:54.28 | Sesshu | omg spam |
| 09:54.45 | haste | in b4 someone makes a recursive function |
| 09:57.05 | krka | purl, say [[say lua>[=[say lua>[==[say lua>[===[say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] ]===] ]==] ]=] ]] |
| 09:57.06 | purl | [[say lua>[=[say lua>[==[say lua>[===[say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] ]===] ]==] ]=] ]] |
| 09:57.13 | ZorbaTHut | quines aren't too tough to make. two-deep recursive quines, that's a bit trickier, but not all *that much* trickier |
| 09:57.24 | krka | hmm |
| 09:57.26 | krka | i fail! |
| 09:57.46 | ZorbaTHut | kuka, I think you just need another lua> after the first say |
| 09:57.48 | ZorbaTHut | *krka |
| 09:57.50 | krka | purl, say lua>[[say lua>[=[say lua>[==[say lua>[===[say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] ]===] ]==] ]=] ]] |
| 09:57.51 | purl | lua>[[say lua>[=[say lua>[==[say lua>[===[say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] ]===] ]==] ]=] ]] |
| 09:57.52 | lua_bot | purl: say lua>[=[say lua>[==[say lua>[===[say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] ]===] ]==] ]=] |
| 09:57.52 | purl | lua>[=[say lua>[==[say lua>[===[say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] ]===] ]==] ]=] |
| 09:57.53 | lua_bot | purl: say lua>[==[say lua>[===[say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] ]===] ]==] |
| 09:57.54 | purl | lua>[==[say lua>[===[say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] ]===] ]==] |
| 09:57.54 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not entirely sure why I told you that. |
| 09:57.54 | lua_bot | purl: say lua>[===[say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] ]===] |
| 09:57.55 | purl | lua>[===[say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] ]===] |
| 09:57.55 | lua_bot | purl: say lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] |
| 09:57.56 | purl | lua>[====[say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] ]====] |
| 09:57.57 | lua_bot | purl: say lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] |
| 09:57.58 | purl | lua>[=====[say lua>[======[say lua>[=======[say lua>[========[say lua>[=========[say lua>[==========[say lua>"hi" ]==========] ]=========] ]========] ]=======] ]======] ]=====] |
| 09:58.04 | haste | ZorbaTHut: everyone knows about quines :P |
| 09:58.15 | Cairenn | who the hell did that |
| 09:58.15 | Arrowmaster | is it done yet? |
| 09:58.31 | ZorbaTHut | Also, it was only a matter of time before an op showed up :P |
| 09:58.34 | krka | this is why bots should ignore other bots :P |
| 09:58.40 | krka | Cairenn: 'fraid it was me! |
| 09:58.42 | haste | I actually thought they did |
| 09:58.49 | Cairenn | >< |
| 09:58.53 | Cairenn | don't do it again |
| 09:59.01 | ZorbaTHut | krka, they really should. that's like #1 priority when we add new bots to the other major channel I'm in |
| 09:59.04 | ZorbaTHut | "update the ignore lists" |
| 09:59.06 | Fisker | can i do it again then Cairenn ? |
| 09:59.14 | krka | i blame who ever brought in lua_bot :) |
| 09:59.24 | krka | > print"test" |
| 09:59.29 | Cairenn | put it this way ... the next person that does it gets a vacation from the channel |
| 09:59.35 | Fisker | damnit |
| 09:59.37 | Arrowmaster | damnit |
| 09:59.39 | Fisker | it was a trick question |
| 09:59.46 | Fisker | because if you had said no i could do it one time |
| 09:59.47 | Cairenn | I'm really really not in the mood guys, don't test me |
| 10:00.15 | Fisker | /cast Mind Soothe |
| 10:00.28 | krka | batbot: print"test" |
| 10:00.33 | krka | batbot: > print"test" |
| 10:00.40 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: make purl say lua> "luaspam1" |
| 10:02.08 | krka | hm... i wonder if this would be infinite: lua> function spamalot() print"say lua> spamalot()" end and "purl say lua> spamalot()" |
| 10:02.14 | krka | i dont dare try i think |
| 10:02.54 | ZorbaTHut | well, the bots seem to have flood protection (either that or cairenn is really fast on the trigger), so the worst that happens is that you get forcibly evicted from the channel. I wouldn't really recommend it however :P |
| 10:02.56 | Fisker | i think you should |
| 10:03.08 | krka | seems like purl automatically stopped on the the old 10-pass version though, so i guess it's protected |
| 10:03.57 | Arrowmaster | you mean lua_bot stopped |
| 10:04.51 | krka | oh right |
| 10:05.09 | ZorbaTHut | man, I am *so* abusing coroutines here. I hope they're efficient |
| 10:07.33 | krka | they are, i think |
| 10:10.03 | ZorbaTHut | so it's okay if I have . . . oh . . . 13,000 of them, or so |
| 10:10.19 | ZorbaTHut | which is of course a perfectly hypothetical number |
| 10:11.19 | Fisker | blows up ZorbaTHut |
| 10:11.21 | krka | if you can afford the memory sure |
| 10:11.35 | ZorbaTHut | well, I'm rather hoping they don't take a lot of memory |
| 10:11.35 | Fisker | btw ZorbaTHut they fucked up ret a bit more yesterday |
| 10:11.39 | ZorbaTHut | they're very short call stacks |
| 10:11.44 | Fisker | unless they didn't remove seal procs from DS |
| 10:11.50 | ZorbaTHut | as long as it's under 1k it'll be fine. |
| 10:11.52 | Fisker | in which case it'll be OP and nerfed in 5 seconds |
| 10:11.53 | krka | you can measure them |
| 10:12.18 | Fisker | *unzips* |
| 10:12.20 | Fisker | lets go krka |
| 10:13.01 | zenzelezz | they need bigger measurements |
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| 10:13.24 | Fisker | that's what she said zenzelezz |
| 10:13.26 | krka | i get about 1.1919 KB / coroutine |
| 10:13.33 | Fisker | *tumbleweed* |
| 10:13.58 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, higher than I'd like but I can live with it |
| 10:14.32 | krka | lua> function foo() end t = {} collectgarbage() print(gcinfo()) for i = 1, 10000 do t[i] = coroutine.create(foo) end print(gcinfo()) |
| 10:14.33 | lua_bot | krka: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'gcinfo' (a nil value) |
| 10:14.38 | krka | hmm |
| 10:14.42 | krka | oh well, try it locally then |
| 10:16.58 | ZorbaTHut | almost exactly 1k for me |
| 10:17.36 | ZorbaTHut | holy shit, "Tranquility will be raid-wide" |
| 10:17.42 | jnwhiteh|away | lua> function foo() end t = {} collectgarbage() print(gcinfo()) for i = 1, 10000 do t[i] = coroutine.create(foo) end print(gcinfo()) |
| 10:17.45 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh|away: 215, 8649 |
| 10:19.10 | krka | wait why did that work? |
| 10:19.43 | Fisker | you get all the good stuff ZorbaTHut |
| 10:20.00 | ZorbaTHut | honestly that's not even the part I'm excited about |
| 10:20.07 | ZorbaTHut | "Part of the warrior kit is mobility." |
| 10:20.13 | ZorbaTHut | that right there, that's why I play a warrior |
| 10:20.27 | ZorbaTHut | because it's so incredibly fun to be an armor-plated bladed spinning pinball of death |
| 10:20.34 | ZorbaTHut | and I'm glad Blizzard agrees with me :D |
| 10:21.24 | Fisker | i just wish they remove the build-up effect for Corruption |
| 10:21.37 | Fisker | and make corruption and possibly rv scale with haste and crit :3 |
| 10:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | eh, deal with it. every class has DoTs that need to be applied |
| 10:22.14 | ZorbaTHut | that's just part of the burst calculations, so that classes don't end up overbursty. |
| 10:22.22 | Fisker | Does any class have 5 dots they need to apply based on your weapon speed? |
| 10:22.39 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it's called an afflication warlock |
| 10:22.41 | Fisker | and they improved our HP for that very same reason ZorbaTHut |
| 10:22.54 | Fisker | I didn't know affliction warlocks meleed :/ |
| 10:23.03 | ZorbaTHut | anyway, Corruption applies *automatically* |
| 10:23.09 | ZorbaTHut | it's a no-brainer ability |
| 10:23.11 | Fisker | Or took about 12-15 seconds to apply all their dots |
| 10:23.51 | ZorbaTHut | you can literally forget about it completely and it still works |
| 10:25.39 | Fisker | Well when Blizzard said they could now make finishers such as Eviscerate a lot more bursty due to the HP pool, i'd figure that removing the need to stack blood corruption would disappear as well |
| 10:25.45 | haste | yay! |
| 10:25.48 | haste | was going to make toast |
| 10:25.57 | haste | but someone had used it without cleaning it afterwards |
| 10:26.09 | haste | so I had to spend 30min cleaning off dry and burned cheese |
| 10:26.10 | ZorbaTHut | Sure, maybe. Why does it matter though? |
| 10:26.17 | ZorbaTHut | As I said, it's *completely passive and automatic8 |
| 10:26.34 | Fisker | because it usually penalizes us a lot more than other classes in movement fights |
| 10:28.02 | ZorbaTHut | how much of your damage does corruption account for? |
| 10:30.56 | ZorbaTHut | looks like around 20-25%, depending on how you measure it. So, yeah, that's a reasonably large amount. |
| 10:31.44 | ZorbaTHut | Meanwhile, rogues lose 40% of their melee damage, plus a significant chunk of energy, *and* they have to explicitly build up their buff again afterwards. |
| 10:31.47 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 10:32.13 | Fisker | Not saying anyone else doesn't have an issue :P |
| 10:32.24 | ZorbaTHut | yes you are :P "a lot more than other classes" |
| 10:32.49 | Fisker | That is going by the practical numbers i've seen |
| 10:33.42 | Fisker | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-j6cmcf05our5yffa/sum/damageDone/?s=10673&e=11036 |
| 10:33.57 | Fisker | rogues seem to be able to recover quite successfully |
| 10:37.16 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Icecrown_Citadel/Professor_Putricide/25N/Retribution_Paladin/ |
| 10:37.29 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Icecrown_Citadel/Professor_Putricide/25N/Unholy_Death_Knight/ |
| 10:37.38 | ZorbaTHut | observe that ret actually does better than unholy :) |
| 10:38.06 | ZorbaTHut | (I had to pick through a few classes to find one whose best spec was worse than ret, admittedly, but every other DK spec does worse, as do arms warriors) |
| 10:38.33 | Fisker | Those numbers can't really be used without knowing the proper context of them |
| 10:38.43 | ZorbaTHut | most classes are only *slightly* better. |
| 10:38.59 | ZorbaTHut | what more context do you need? here's the top damage results on worldoflogs for that fight |
| 10:39.17 | Fisker | I could do 11k DPS if i wanted to as well |
| 10:39.22 | Fisker | but i wouldn't be helping on slimes then |
| 10:39.40 | Fisker | Therefor i negate the movement and target switching issue which was the concern to begin with |
| 10:40.48 | Fisker | The DK does a lot more damage to the ooze than the paladin does |
| 10:40.58 | Fisker | actually around the double |
| 10:41.25 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* perhaps. personally I think you're exaggerating a bit, though - we're talking about a spell that's 25% of your damage at most, and from that trace you're getting 18% damage off it anyway |
| 10:41.30 | Fisker | So likely the Paladin is just focussing on the boss, and they use the bunch up at green goo tactic and they aoe them down |
| 10:41.55 | ZorbaTHut | increase your damage by 7%, you go all the way up to 7.17k DPS |
| 10:43.49 | Fisker | I doubt that +33% damage on my seals and +50% damage on my judgements is only "25 % of my damage" |
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| 10:43.59 | Fisker | not to mention the dot itself |
| 10:45.26 | ZorbaTHut | Alright, let's see. http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-3yi706wqfut52spv/details/2/?s=9180&e=9480 here's one of those top paladins. 24% from Seal of Vengeance (I assume that's all the Seal power) plus a third of the Judgements, which I admit I didn't factor in |
| 10:45.45 | ZorbaTHut | so that's 24% + (11.2% / 3), or around 28% |
| 10:46.26 | Fisker | / 3? |
| 10:46.47 | ZorbaTHut | +50% damage on your judgements, therefore, assuming all judgements get the full bonus, that's 150% normal damage |
| 10:46.56 | ZorbaTHut | 100% from the normal damage, 50% from the bonus, thus /3 |
| 10:47.51 | ZorbaTHut | meanwhile, on your page, http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-j6cmcf05our5yffa/details/5/?s=10673&e=11036 - I don't pretend to be able to calculate what the lost percentage of judgement bonus damage is, so let's pretend it's 0%. that means you're still getting 18% of your damage from your seal |
| 10:48.34 | ZorbaTHut | so *at most* you're losing about 11% of your damage, if my back-of-the-envelope calculations are right |
| 10:48.46 | Fisker | well they obviously aren't |
| 10:48.49 | ZorbaTHut | and that's a significant underexaggeration |
| 10:48.55 | Fisker | Because 11% of about 11k isn't ~6k |
| 10:49.15 | ZorbaTHut | yes, that's true, isn't it? On the other hand, you're not that person. |
| 10:49.27 | Fisker | well actually i am |
| 10:49.29 | ZorbaTHut | I'm just trying to compare the percentage of damage you can expect to have lost from the mobility. |
| 10:49.55 | ZorbaTHut | Namely, about 11%. That's how much you can blame on mobility. |
| 10:50.02 | Fisker | Well you still haven't taken into account that we also have blood corruption running off and technically also righteous vengeance |
| 10:50.20 | Fisker | But it was a nice try regardless |
| 10:50.30 | ZorbaTHut | Righteous Vengeance doesn't have any stacking effect. |
| 10:50.41 | ZorbaTHut | (it's similar to Deep Wounds, which simply does slightly-delayed-damage) |
| 10:50.58 | Fisker | No but it's still a dot i'm not applying when i'm away from the boss |
| 10:51.42 | ZorbaTHut | No, it's not. It's just part of your normal damage process. You hit for X, a bit later you do a little extra damage. It's a percentage thing. Your claim is that the top paladins I'm linking are cheesing things by not going after the oozes |
| 10:52.19 | ZorbaTHut | I'm saying that, *if that's true*, you're still not losing a huge fraction of damage, as determined by looking at your damage percentages and comparing to what they'd be like if you were focusing single-target. |
| 10:52.31 | Fisker | Your numbers are wrong |
| 10:52.37 | Fisker | That's about how simple it can be summed up |
| 10:52.39 | ZorbaTHut | Explain how they're wrong. |
| 10:52.47 | Fisker | I already did |
| 10:52.52 | ZorbaTHut | In a way besides "i think i should be doing more damage because i am pushing buttons a lot". |
| 10:54.25 | Fisker | You failed to account for Blood Corruption, Righteous Vengeance, and even other buildups such as our strength libram |
| 10:54.33 | ZorbaTHut | incidentally, you're actually getting *more* damage, percentage-wise, off Blood Corruption than the other dude is off Holy Vengeance. |
| 10:55.15 | ZorbaTHut | and you're losing 0.1% off Righteous Vengenace |
| 10:55.21 | ZorbaTHut | I am willing to call it a draw |
| 10:55.26 | Fisker | how so? |
| 10:55.57 | ZorbaTHut | well, you're doing 1% more Blood Corruption and losing 0.1% Righteous Vengeance. So I'm willing to simply ignore those for the sake of number simplicity, considering that taking them into account would improve my position more than yours :P |
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| 10:57.38 | Fisker | well obviously my dots will be proportially more damage when i'm spending time running from target to target |
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| 10:57.46 | doc-saintly | can someone point me to a good starting article for XML ui? |
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| 10:57.58 | ZorbaTHut | Unfortunately I don't really see a way to compare libram stacks easily |
| 10:58.05 | Ackis | Fisker: I want to take a ride on your disco stick! |
| 10:58.11 | ZorbaTHut | what, they will? seriously? because that's a claim that you're *gaining damage* by having DoTs |
| 10:58.25 | Fisker | No |
| 10:58.33 | ZorbaTHut | are we comparing this to a character that has no DoTs at all? because if so, then spending 20% of the time running between creatures = 20% damage loss |
| 10:58.48 | Fisker | you really are that thick |
| 10:58.51 | Fisker | damn |
| 10:58.55 | ZorbaTHut | and if it takes extra time to restack dots, then that's extra damage loss |
| 10:59.08 | ZorbaTHut | whereas someone who is dot-heavy like a warlock can apply dots to multiple characters at once and gain a substantial amount of damage |
| 10:59.52 | ZorbaTHut | so if you are actually claiming that you're gaining damage through your dots, and therefore your dots should be removed in order to buff you, I don't have a lot to say besides lol. |
| 10:59.59 | doc-saintly | lol @ Fisker , you're a bit silly, and condescending |
| 11:00.10 | olafski | or possibly just trolling again |
| 11:00.18 | Fisker | no doc-saintly |
| 11:00.21 | Fisker | ZorbaTHut is just stupid |
| 11:00.33 | doc-saintly | heh, no. sorry. i know him better than that :P |
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| 11:00.42 | Fisker | well true he could be trolling |
| 11:00.46 | Fisker | That might be right |
| 11:00.47 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, I find the best way to deal with trolls is to obliterate them logically. I still haven't seen a coherent argument out of fisker :P |
| 11:00.49 | Fisker | because noone is that stupid |
| 11:00.54 | Ackis | actually ZorbaTHut is kinda stupid... he is arguing with Fisker |
| 11:00.58 | doc-saintly | ZorbaTHut: but they don't understand logic ;) |
| 11:01.03 | Fisker | actually you have ZorbaTHut |
| 11:01.05 | ZorbaTHut | he hasn't actually debated any point, just whined about his damage being low because blizzard hates paladins |
| 11:01.08 | olafski | you're feeding him though zorbathut :( |
| 11:01.14 | Fisker | because you're comparing to different numbers to the same percentage |
| 11:01.16 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, it's sort of fun, and I'm waiting for a long test. |
| 11:01.21 | Fisker | My 100% is not the same as his 100% |
| 11:01.29 | olafski | his damage is obviously low because he's a blood elf |
| 11:01.32 | doc-saintly | Fisker: yes, and warlocks can't heal other characters. |
| 11:01.32 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, that's true, but damage tends to stay roughly proportional as gear goes up |
| 11:01.39 | doc-saintly | that's why theres different character types Fisker |
| 11:01.40 | Fisker | So while he does only 8% damage with blood corruption, and i do 9% he still does more damage |
| 11:01.42 | doc-saintly | they have different qualities |
| 11:01.46 | Fisker | that is not what i'm saying ZorbaTHut |
| 11:01.46 | ZorbaTHut | at least once you're past a certain percentage |
| 11:01.48 | doc-saintly | pick what you want, and go with it. cry less. |
| 11:02.06 | ZorbaTHut | the only real different is skill and behavior, and I assume your argument is not "my damage is low because I suck, therefore blizzard should make paladins easier" |
| 11:02.24 | Fisker | His dot damages for more, but proportially for less because his other abilities do more damage due to the thing i just explained to you, i.e. that our buildup when doing target switching/movement fights suck |
| 11:02.40 | ZorbaTHut | whoa whoa you're saying he's switching targets? |
| 11:02.42 | ZorbaTHut | weren't we just over that? |
| 11:02.48 | ZorbaTHut | didn't you say he *wasn't* switching targets? |
| 11:02.55 | Fisker | yep |
| 11:02.57 | ZorbaTHut | and therefore his DoT should be doing *more* damage than yours? |
| 11:02.58 | Fisker | but you're still stupid |
| 11:03.07 | ZorbaTHut | Proportionally, I mean. |
| 11:03.35 | doc-saintly | can anyone recommend a UI maker that isn't reliant on WoW? |
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| 11:04.18 | Ackis | Fisker: put on your poker face |
| 11:04.53 | Fisker | Yeah i'm not getting trolled by retards Ackis |
| 11:05.13 | Ackis | I have an issue |
| 11:05.22 | Ackis | I have DRM protected music that I can't listen to |
| 11:05.26 | Ackis | I bought it |
| 11:05.28 | Fisker | pirate it |
| 11:05.29 | Ackis | but I can't listen to it |
| 11:05.32 | Ackis | argh! |
| 11:05.38 | ZorbaTHut | ackis, I see your problem: you bought DRM-protected music |
| 11:05.42 | doc-saintly | Ackis: you're about 10 years late to this convo |
| 11:05.47 | Ackis | where can I download avril lavigne and nickelback? |
| 11:05.57 | Ackis | and black eyed peas |
| 11:06.01 | Ackis | :D |
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| 11:07.23 | Fisker | btw Ackis |
| 11:07.27 | Fisker | are you selling out? |
| 11:07.44 | Ackis | selling out? |
| 11:07.44 | Fisker | you know |
| 11:07.49 | Ackis | ? |
| 11:07.58 | Fisker | durr the tcg items :P |
| 11:08.49 | Fisker | nvidia is silly |
| 11:09.00 | Fisker | their system utility software needs to be uninstalled to upgrade it |
| 11:09.00 | Fisker | :( |
| 11:09.01 | Ackis | ude point shit or the cards? |
| 11:09.13 | Fisker | the cards |
| 11:10.13 | Ackis | i has personal weather maker x 2, centre of attention x 1, owned x 2, a bunch of the common ones and then a tuskarr kite and ogre pinata which I may or may not get rid of as I don't have them ingame at all |
| 11:10.30 | Fisker | http://i40.tinypic.com/15xfeb.png <-me and nvidia are going to be enemies if that dialog box is an empty "Do you want to restart" box |
| 11:11.04 | Ackis | lulz |
| 11:12.24 | Kalroth | hahah |
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| 11:13.04 | Fisker | MOTHERFU... |
| 11:13.13 | Kalroth | did you click yes |
| 11:13.17 | ZorbaTHut | man, never click yes when installing something :) |
| 11:13.17 | Fisker | yes |
| 11:13.50 | Kalroth | I even got a program to manually close/hide windows with a "please reboot" test and only an OK button |
| 11:13.58 | Kalroth | fuck 'em! |
| 11:15.52 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/04/17/funny-pictures-notice-it-is-blank/ |
| 11:21.05 | ZorbaTHut | I had Windows pop up a window a long time ago that said "please reboot now" with only an OK button |
| 11:21.15 | ZorbaTHut | I ended up moving it under my taskbar and leaving it there for a few weeks |
| 11:21.30 | haste | sounds like windows xp |
| 11:21.37 | ZorbaTHut | that or 98, I forget which |
| 11:21.50 | Ackis | sounds like something Fisker would click on |
| 11:25.52 | Ackis | I'm pirating music I own :( |
| 11:26.53 | olafski | THIEF |
| 11:27.02 | Ackis | grrr! |
| 11:27.05 | Ackis | adds you to TA! |
| 11:27.11 | Ackis | oogles your gf! |
| 11:27.17 | Ackis | sends you hotel city invites! |
| 11:27.50 | olafski | :) |
| 11:28.00 | Ackis | :D |
| 11:30.38 | Ackis | man I'm coughing so much I'm starting to black out |
| 11:34.28 | mikma | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/funny-pictures-cat-follows-directions.jpg |
| 11:34.43 | Ackis | that's a female cat |
| 11:34.45 | Ackis | BEEP BEEP |
| 11:35.19 | olafski | hahaha |
| 11:35.20 | olafski | nice |
| 11:35.24 | olafski | I loved that video you posted too ackis |
| 11:35.38 | olafski | especially the kitten that was falling asleep but trying to stay awake |
| 11:35.42 | Ackis | ahh yeah |
| 11:35.55 | olafski | btw it's "Madness? This. Is. SIMCITY!" |
| 11:36.07 | ZorbaTHut | man I am starting to wish I had unit tests on this project |
| 11:36.17 | Ackis | I was typing from my blackberry |
| 11:36.22 | olafski | pimp |
| 11:36.26 | olafski | wish I had a phone with internets |
| 11:36.42 | olafski | or just a calendar function that could sync with google calendar |
| 11:36.43 | mikma | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/funny-pictures-cat-moons-neighbors.jpg |
| 11:36.45 | Ackis | I take pictures of my animals and upload them to teh interwebs |
| 11:39.36 | olafski | I don't have any animals =( |
| 11:40.47 | zenzelezz | that... is why you fail |
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| 11:41.52 | olafski | I'd like a cat |
| 11:41.58 | harl | hola |
| 11:42.00 | olafski | but for various reasons I don't think it's a good idea where I'm living now |
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| 12:06.14 | Ackis | ebay should crack down on people who charge way too much for shipping and handling |
| 12:06.58 | ZorbaTHut | isn't there a search by cost-and-s&h option? you can just choose that |
| 12:08.12 | Ackis | don't see that, only see an option for $22 shipping for a $3 item |
| 12:09.17 | olafski | seems fair |
| 12:09.26 | olafski | is it a pre-inflated 1m^3 balloon? |
| 12:09.51 | Ackis | it's an xbox 360 faceplate |
| 12:10.06 | olafski | does the sender live on the moon? |
| 12:10.32 | Ackis | nope |
| 12:12.25 | Ackis | http://cgi.ebay.ca/Xbox-360-Darth-Vader-Faceplate-LE-Soul-caliber_W0QQitemZ280485515850QQihZ018QQcategoryZ139969QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 12:12.29 | Ackis | i reporteded it |
| 12:15.02 | olafski | it's calibur |
| 12:15.03 | olafski | what a noob |
| 12:15.19 | Ackis | I know it's SC4 |
| 12:15.22 | Ackis | but it's Lord Vader |
| 12:15.42 | olafski | calibur instead of caliber is what I meant :P |
| 12:16.22 | Ackis | oh |
| 12:16.23 | Ackis | lol |
| 12:16.32 | Kalroth | Ackis: he doesn't charge too much, it's $6 shipping |
| 12:17.01 | Ackis | it's $22 |
| 12:17.20 | Kalroth | from USA to Canada, yes - inside USA its $6 |
| 12:18.13 | Ackis | it doesn't cost an extra $16 just to ship to Canada |
| 12:19.50 | Kalroth | http://www.usps.com/prices/priority-mail-international-prices.htm |
| 12:20.41 | Ackis | http://www.usps.com/prices/parcel-post-prices.htm |
| 12:21.00 | Kalroth | yes, it says "USPS Priority Mail International" on the eBay link |
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| 12:22.50 | Kalroth | also your link is parcel post, it's only US mail |
| 12:23.34 | Fisker | xD |
| 12:26.21 | Fisker | oh sweet upgrade guide |
| 12:26.30 | Fisker | It's just page after page of GPL licenses etc. |
| 12:26.33 | Fisker | and then it just ends |
| 12:26.39 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:26.49 | Kalroth | "How to pay way too much for an underdeveloped nVidia GPU"?? |
| 12:27.33 | Fisker | what do you mean? |
| 12:27.43 | Kalroth | your upgrade guide |
| 12:28.01 | Fisker | But my GTX 480 isn't underdeveloped |
| 12:28.05 | Fisker | infact it's pretty damn awesome |
| 12:28.18 | Fisker | I can run Just Cause 2 at 1920x1200 with everything turned up |
| 12:28.21 | Fisker | _everything_ |
| 12:28.25 | Fisker | including 32x CSAA |
| 12:28.33 | Fisker | (which is pointless, but still) |
| 12:29.30 | Kalroth | Sure, so can I - except I don't have 32x CSAA (because it's pointless!) |
| 12:30.59 | Fisker | nahuh |
| 12:31.06 | Fisker | do you have a Geforce card? |
| 12:31.11 | Kalroth | nope |
| 12:31.51 | Fisker | then you don't |
| 12:32.17 | Kalroth | that's what I said, I don't have a Geforce card |
| 12:33.30 | Fisker | then you don't have everything turned up i mean |
| 12:35.12 | Kalroth | I do |
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| 12:37.28 | Fisker | no Kalroth |
| 12:38.01 | Kalroth | yes Fisker |
| 12:38.20 | Fisker | no Kalroth |
| 12:38.23 | Kalroth | yes Fisker |
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| 12:38.43 | Fisker | nononono |
| 12:38.57 | Kalroth | http://i44.tinypic.com/w0oxon.jpg |
| 12:39.25 | Kalroth | (not my screenshot before you point at AA!) |
| 12:41.29 | Fisker | try enabling gpu water simulation |
| 12:42.26 | Kalroth | try enableing your brain - oh right, we both can't enable stuff that isn't there! |
| 12:48.24 | ZorbaTHut | well, in fairness, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there |
| 12:48.48 | ZorbaTHut | I mean I could in theory write a modified graphics driver that only supports 640x480 and the bare minimum of features to let that game run at all |
| 12:49.18 | ZorbaTHut | and then claim "everything is turned up" and wow look at that, 4000fps with everything turned up all the way, gee golly this graphics card sure is fast |
| 12:53.22 | Kalroth | finds his wedgie tool. |
| 12:53.34 | Kalroth | walks over to ZorbaTHut and gives him a huuuuuuge wedgie. |
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| 13:07.47 | Fisker | gpu water simulation, plus some of the others features are obviously very taxing |
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| 13:09.20 | robotusch | obvious Fusker is obvious |
| 13:10.32 | Mikk | Interesting bug. I have a guy showing as "Jumala57FBFF" |
| 13:12.20 | robotusch | Ingame? |
| 13:12.36 | haste | if you transfered a char, that usually how they show up |
| 13:12.46 | robotusch | ^^ |
| 13:12.57 | haste | when you try to log them you'll get asked to rename it |
| 13:13.26 | Mikk | Yeah ingame. |
| 13:13.40 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.43 | Mikk | and shows that way in chat too |
| 13:14.04 | ZorbaTHut | maybe he just decided he liked the name? |
| 13:14.09 | Mikk | hehe |
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| 13:14.47 | ZorbaTHut | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bloodhoof&cn=Jumala57FBFF |
| 13:14.47 | robotusch | or a GM decided his name was SO offensive, he changed it on the spot :p |
| 13:14.56 | ZorbaTHut | pretty sure he just decided to keep it. :) |
| 13:15.30 | Mikk | his wow must have bugged out |
| 13:15.35 | Mikk | you shouldnt be able to NOT rename |
| 13:15.58 | ZorbaTHut | why not? :) |
| 13:16.10 | Fisker | very suspicious actually |
| 13:16.15 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, can you put numbers in nicknames? |
| 13:16.25 | Mikk | no |
| 13:16.26 | Fisker | He would not be able to login without changing the name and only a logout forces the armory to refresh |
| 13:16.30 | Fisker | to my knowledge anyway |
| 13:16.31 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, alright, that's dubious then |
| 13:16.34 | Mikk | and neither can you put capital letters past the first letter |
| 13:19.23 | Fisker | also gm's logging into your account doesn't trigger the armory! |
| 13:19.24 | Fisker | :O! |
| 13:20.48 | robotusch | !O: |
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| 13:21.35 | Fierceflame | Hey! :D |
| 13:22.39 | Fierceflame | Anyone knwos if there exists an addon that removes the arrows and dots ont he minimap that indicate groupmembers? |
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| 13:25.03 | Gintaro | Is it just me or does Theora suck |
| 13:25.11 | Gintaro | As far is seeking goes anyway |
| 13:25.48 | Cide | seek, and you shall find |
| 13:32.16 | Fierceflame | Cant seem to find an addon that does that anywhere :S |
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| 14:19.06 | industrial | <From Pallet Town> |
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| 14:46.01 | neurodamage | sup folks |
| 14:46.10 | neurodamage | so this is where all the lua folks hang out that make addons for wow :) |
| 14:47.03 | horofox | i guess |
| 14:47.05 | Hirsute | *quick, hide!* |
| 14:47.20 | horofox | i'm actually not into uis |
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| 15:05.53 | neurodamage | heh |
| 15:06.13 | neurodamage | you thought we wouldn't find you on irc, heh |
| 15:06.13 | neurodamage | I need to learn lua and wow add ons |
| 15:07.03 | olafski | go for it |
| 15:08.08 | neurodamage | what's a good book on the langauge itself and then the wow api? |
| 15:08.47 | olafski | http://wowprogramming.com/store |
| 15:08.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ~pil |
| 15:08.49 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 15:08.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowprogramming |
| 15:08.53 | purl | wowprogramming is, like, World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 15:09.03 | olafski | ah there we go :) |
| 15:09.14 | neurodamage | nice :) |
| 15:09.41 | neurodamage | yea I know ruby,java,lisp,ada95,c/c++,obj-c,scala,python |
| 15:09.51 | neurodamage | now I guess it's time to do the project I want in lua lol |
| 15:10.02 | neurodamage | there aren't any bindings or SWIG To any other languages you know of? |
| 15:20.27 | mikma | meh, this new season of deadliest catch is gonna be extremely interesting |
| 15:37.32 | olafski | I just flew past my target by 2 whole zones about 5 times in a row |
| 15:37.34 | olafski | damn you tower defense |
| 15:40.02 | industrial | I'm looking for an addon that only does this: copy text from the chatframe |
| 15:40.12 | industrial | and _nothing_ else |
| 15:41.32 | industrial | guess I can rip code from http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9507-CCopy.html |
| 15:41.35 | industrial | :D |
| 15:41.43 | haste | industrial: or from oChat :P |
| 15:44.12 | industrial | oh.. |
| 15:44.47 | industrial | haha --[[ This was once a really old version of idChat :D ]] |
| 15:46.07 | olafski | steal from yourself! |
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| 15:58.57 | olafski | are there usable lance racks at the battle before the citadel area? :S |
| 15:59.19 | Wessly | where do you play guys - server |
| 15:59.29 | olafski | nm.. the horde ones look different than alliance ;p |
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| 16:00.54 | Lunessa | station |
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| 16:27.11 | Lunessa | Saturday - absolutely gorgeous outside, and I'm stuck at work. FML |
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| 17:21.40 | foxlit | failtube |
| 17:22.44 | zenzelezz | why fail? |
| 17:22.56 | foxlit | If I open a tab in the background, my browser doesn't initialize the plug-ins until I switch to the tab |
| 17:23.12 | foxlit | At which point failtube gives me a nice "go upgrade your flash!" notice instead of the video. |
| 17:23.21 | zenzelezz | http://averagecats.com/2444 |
| 17:24.03 | zenzelezz | Cairenn|afk: http://averagecats.com/2428 |
| 17:24.04 | foxlit | So it tries to be clever, but fails utterly :( |
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| 17:28.42 | Gnarfoz | <foxlit> So it tries to be clever, but fails utterly :( <-- the culprit being your browser :D |
| 17:29.25 | Adys | yeah sounds like its your browser |
| 17:29.27 | Adys | what are you using? |
| 17:30.15 | olafski | possibly ff.. it does that for me too |
| 17:31.55 | Kalroth | youtube works fine in the background |
| 17:32.37 | Kalroth | (in firefox 3.5) |
| 17:33.05 | Adys | Kalroth: haha u use ff |
| 17:33.15 | industrial | Adys: haha you might also! |
| 17:33.17 | Kalroth | yeah, I like noscript and adblock |
| 17:33.36 | Kalroth | maybe if chrome got that implemented |
| 17:34.05 | Kalroth | oh and firebug of course |
| 17:34.36 | Adys | Kalroth: http://techie-buzz.com/browsers/disable-javascript-images-cookies-in-google-chrome.html |
| 17:34.37 | Adys | http://webkit.org/blog/1091/more-web-inspector-updates/ |
| 17:34.45 | Adys | https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom |
| 17:35.37 | zenzelezz | clearly a win name for that lat addon |
| 17:35.40 | zenzelezz | *last |
| 17:36.02 | Lunessa | Chrome has AdBlockPlus. |
| 17:36.15 | industrial | and just so you know, sends everything to do to google |
| 17:36.16 | Kalroth | Chrome got AdBlockLoadingTheBlockingPlus |
| 17:36.28 | industrial | you do* |
| 17:36.42 | industrial | all keystrokes, everything |
| 17:37.04 | Lunessa | Meh, even having a Gmail account is an admission of defeat on the privacy front. |
| 17:37.12 | Kalroth | I don't have any issues with Google, I use their toolbar, store all my bookmarks on their server and got a full history |
| 17:37.29 | Adys | He also mails me all his illegal porn on gmail |
| 17:37.37 | Gintaro | pedobear alert! |
| 17:37.42 | Fisker | windows needs better multimonitor support :( |
| 17:37.45 | Kalroth | I just don't see a reason to switch to a lesser browser until it offers at least a little more than Firefox |
| 17:37.49 | Adys | Fisker: owned by linux nerds |
| 17:37.59 | industrial | I wonder if there's an automatic build of Chromium that patches out all that crap.. its an open source product so .... |
| 17:38.07 | Fisker | what browser doesn't offer more than Firefox? |
| 17:38.11 | Adys | industrial: ironware or something |
| 17:38.19 | Kalroth | And that AdBlock isn't preemptive, Adys |
| 17:38.20 | Fisker | At the moment the only ones i can think of would be some text-based browser or shit like that |
| 17:38.47 | Adys | Fisker: "more" than firefox as in? |
| 17:38.55 | Adys | theres epiphany, arora, so on |
| 17:39.05 | industrial | Adys: yeah there's that but the thing is its made by another company :| and it did some things itself that i wasnt happy with (cant remember exactly what) |
| 17:39.35 | Fisker | isn't it Kalroth you should be asking that question? |
| 17:39.42 | Kalroth | huh? |
| 17:40.11 | Kalroth | I already stated my reasons, feel free to enlighten me (Adys tried, but failed) |
| 17:40.30 | Adys | industrial: you can disable most of it in chrome itself |
| 17:40.59 | Fisker | you failed to enlighten yourself Kalroth |
| 17:41.02 | Adys | disable search suggest, bookmark sync (disabled by default), crash handler |
| 17:41.09 | Adys | and theres no data left to send to google |
| 17:42.06 | Adys | oh and translate bar |
| 17:42.18 | Adys | though it doesnt actually send anything to google before you click translate |
| 17:42.24 | Kalroth | and dont use google to search with |
| 17:42.29 | industrial | :P |
| 17:42.58 | industrial | I'm just saying, its even more feuling for google while its an open source product and doesnt have to do that per se. |
| 17:44.14 | Adys | industrial: I'm interested to know what "privacy breaches" there are in chrome |
| 17:44.37 | Adys | theres a disgusting amount of people who blame google on everything they forget on privacy |
| 17:44.38 | Kalroth | http://www.googleprivacyinvasion.com/?t=google+chrome+privacy |
| 17:44.51 | Adys | and then they completely disregard the fact your isp logs all your shit |
| 17:45.06 | Kalroth | 2 wrongs doesnt make 1 right! |
| 17:45.22 | Adys | and they'll be the first ones to hand that very shit over to your government, unlike google: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20002423-38.html |
| 17:46.23 | Fisker | LOL |
| 17:46.31 | Fisker | dns prefeteching as a privacy concern |
| 17:46.33 | Fisker | they're fucking retarded |
| 17:46.44 | Fisker | And where does privacy come in there? |
| 17:46.52 | Gintaro | 4chan is reason enough for the coppers! |
| 17:47.03 | Fisker | Unless you use Google as your DNS server(which you probably wouldn't if you're that fucked up in the head) it will use your own DNS server |
| 17:47.18 | Kalroth | Fisker: Click the fucking link and read? |
| 17:47.23 | Kalroth | It's stated on the page |
| 17:48.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@68-191-37-155.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 17:48.20 | Adys | Kalroth: except the page is wrong |
| 17:48.29 | Amarande | good grief, everyone and their brother has a celestial steed now |
| 17:48.31 | Kalroth | of course it is |
| 17:48.31 | Adys | only urls you type in the address bar are prefetched |
| 17:48.36 | Amarande | frickin Orgrimmar is full of them |
| 17:49.08 | Kalroth | http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=114836 |
| 17:49.10 | Kalroth | "Google Chrome can look up, or pre-fetch, the IP addresses of all links on the webpage." |
| 17:49.13 | Amarande | "for $25, you can now look special and unique, just like everyone else in Orgrimmar!" |
| 17:49.14 | Kalroth | it took me one google search |
| 17:49.29 | Adys | Kalroth: ... and it doesn't do that if it's disabled |
| 17:49.34 | Kalroth | ..... |
| 17:49.35 | Amarande | hell, I think my bog standard swift timber wolf is now more unique |
| 17:49.36 | Kalroth | o rly |
| 17:49.46 | Adys | as i said the only thing that's prefetched if it's enabled is the urls you type |
| 17:49.58 | Kalroth | unless if it is disabled!! |
| 17:50.03 | Kalroth | or not enabled! |
| 17:50.08 | Kalroth | or switched off! |
| 17:50.10 | Amarande | Kalroth, just use firefox or safari :S |
| 17:50.14 | Adys | Kalroth: where is the fucking issue? :p |
| 17:50.15 | Kalroth | Amarande: I am :p |
| 17:50.18 | Adys | you can disable it |
| 17:50.24 | Adys | it doesnt send data to google |
| 17:50.32 | Amarande | Adys, did you get your celestial steed yet? |
| 17:50.33 | Kalroth | You just said it did? :p |
| 17:50.36 | Adys | Amarande: yea |
| 17:50.41 | Adys | Kalroth: ... no it does not |
| 17:50.59 | Amarande | I considered it, till it started seeming like every character I pass by had one |
| 17:51.08 | Adys | it prefetches and caches the dns records of urls you type in the address bar once you hit the TLD |
| 17:51.10 | Amarande | yay, I can pay good money to look the same as everyone else 9_9 |
| 17:51.20 | Adys | Amarande: i dont use it |
| 17:51.21 | Adys | ocd |
| 17:51.41 | Amarande | it makes me even more inclined to grind netherwing on every character I can afford epic flying for |
| 17:51.51 | Amarande | I hardly ever see other people with netherdrakes now :) |
| 17:51.59 | Gintaro | It's piss easy now |
| 17:52.00 | Fisker | i stand in orgrimmar and w + /mountspecial^10^10^10 |
| 17:52.03 | Amarande | hmm, is zuluhed a cake walk to solo at 80? |
| 17:52.06 | Gintaro | Since they nerfed the dismounting on flying mounts |
| 17:52.28 | Adys | Kalroth: anyway that website is retarded, and the articles it links are just as stupid |
| 17:52.42 | Amarande | also: are the Dragonmaw Ascendants now no longer a real danger? |
| 17:52.48 | Adys | i can blog fud against firefox and link you that as a source to how bad firefox is |
| 17:52.53 | Fisker | and by extension you are also |
| 17:52.56 | Kalroth | I like the celestial mount, its like people are smacking a big L in their forehead and prancing around being proud of it :) |
| 17:52.56 | Adys | you can call that a citation |
| 17:52.58 | Amarande | I remember those being walking repair bills at 70, unless you're a druid (and in BC, if you were a druid, why would you bother doing netherwing ...) |
| 17:52.59 | Adys | what are you wikipedia? :P |
| 17:53.17 | Amarande | hell, even NOW if you're a druid why would you bother with netherwing |
| 17:53.33 | Adys | why not? |
| 17:53.33 | Lunessa | Amarande: I have every color netherdrake on my main. I <3 them muchly. |
| 17:53.35 | Amarande | the only reason for a druid to even bother to acquire a mount pretty much is for a 310% |
| 17:53.47 | Adys | erm |
| 17:53.59 | Kalroth | Adys: I've already given up on you guys! I never cared about the privacy issues to begin with, it wasn't me bitching about it - come back when you got proper plugins! |
| 17:54.03 | Amarande | well, I guess now that mounts are pets, it's a little more worth it |
| 17:54.07 | Amarande | in BC, it was just lame, though |
| 17:54.15 | Adys | Kalroth: linked you them :p |
| 17:54.18 | Amarande | I mean, you had your swift flight form, and being a form it was insta transform, too |
| 17:54.25 | Kalroth | Adys: I said proper, not halfarsed :) |
| 17:54.26 | Amarande | why bother with something that has a cast time *and* permanently eats space in your bag |
| 17:54.36 | Adys | Kalroth: preemptive adblocker = get srware |
| 17:54.40 | Adys | it has one |
| 17:54.53 | Kalroth | Adys: Like I said, if I want to bother switching browser, it has to be an upgrade, not a down or side grade |
| 17:55.41 | Adys | Kalroth: SRWare :P |
| 17:55.45 | Lunessa | I care about privacy issues. I'm just not sure which concerns people have are real and which are just FUD. I do my own research nd make my choices there. :P I like chrome for its speed, but hate it for it's lack of plugins I've come to rely upon. |
| 17:55.56 | Kalroth | Adys: Iron was last updated sometime last summer, yay |
| 17:56.14 | Fisker | Any browser is clearly an upgrade to Firefox |
| 17:56.23 | Kalroth | Adys: Also their grammer is rather Fiskered |
| 17:56.27 | Adys | Kalroth: it's up to date |
| 17:56.34 | Lunessa | Fisker: So, how do you like Safari then? |
| 17:56.35 | Kalroth | Iron ist an Internet-Browser like "Internet Explorer", "Firefox" oder "Opera". It is based on the "Chromium" Sourcecode. You can get Iron for free here. |
| 17:56.35 | Adys | 4.0.280 |
| 17:56.37 | Fisker | Though Opera is disqualified on the fact that they're terrorist jerks |
| 17:56.59 | Fisker | Lunessa Safari is disqualified because it's apple |
| 17:57.08 | Fisker | (And yes i know apple made webkit :/) |
| 17:57.12 | Lunessa | *snicker* |
| 17:57.15 | Adys | thank you |
| 17:57.18 | Adys | andf |
| 17:57.19 | Adys | and |
| 17:57.22 | Adys | apple didnt make webkit |
| 17:57.26 | Adys | apple forked khtml |
| 17:57.30 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: the culprit being your browser :D << It's a sane policy, though |
| 17:57.36 | foxlit | And if failtube didn't do anything, they'd work. |
| 17:57.43 | Gnarfoz | noscript works fine |
| 17:57.54 | Adys | btw Lunessa |
| 17:57.54 | Gnarfoz | doesn't exhibit that behavour |
| 17:57.56 | Adys | http://www.chrome-plugins.info/en/ |
| 17:57.57 | Gnarfoz | *behaviour |
| 17:58.11 | Lunessa | Adys: I know about that. |
| 17:58.21 | Adys | theres a lot of plugins |
| 17:58.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Wraanger (~chatzilla@81.200.20.68) |
| 17:58.32 | Adys | i mean firefox is years older than chrome |
| 17:58.41 | Adys | you cant expect chrome to have as many plugins as firefox |
| 17:59.06 | Adys | fact is you'll never have more than 20 or so plugins installed even as a hardcore user, so why do you care whether it has 2000 or 150000 :P |
| 17:59.18 | Adys | important thing is, good plugins are available |
| 17:59.30 | Kalroth | well some of them :p |
| 17:59.49 | Adys | and its extensions not plugins |
| 17:59.52 | Adys | damn that website |
| 17:59.55 | zenzelezz | I see it like this: you like [Firefox/Chrome] and you're not using IE7 or below? Good for you |
| 18:00.34 | Amarande | also: Shop Rite Cherry Cola is incorrectly labeled, I should complain |
| 18:00.41 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure this is Shop Rite Kids Cough Syrup Flavor Cola :| |
| 18:00.48 | Adys | btw Kalroth |
| 18:01.05 | Adys | https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/ognampngfcbddbfemdapefohjiobgbdl |
| 18:01.09 | Amarande | Adys: terminology, terminology |
| 18:01.25 | Amarande | that's like being picky about people saying "LUA" |
| 18:01.41 | Adys | it's not the same |
| 18:01.55 | Kalroth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqu9NuINKbc&hd=1 |
| 18:01.55 | Adys | plugins and extensions mean the same thing in general |
| 18:01.56 | Amarande | I imagine we'll hear hunters talking about their Energy bar before long, too :) |
| 18:02.16 | Adys | but in chrome (and firefox), plugins and extensions are fundamentally different |
| 18:02.29 | Shirik | Adys |
| 18:02.34 | Adys | namely, plugins have access to operating system and file system calls |
| 18:02.40 | Adys | OH WAIT FIREFOX EXTENSIONS TOO LOL SRY |
| 18:02.41 | Shirik | wtf is ognampngfcbddbfemdapefohijobgdl |
| 18:02.45 | Adys | I know |
| 18:02.48 | Adys | wtf is up with their url scheme |
| 18:03.27 | Adys | but they use those unique hashes in chrome too |
| 18:03.34 | Amarande | Shirik: "we came up with something completely random because we couldn't afford the trademark research?" |
| 18:03.52 | Adys | Amarande: what? |
| 18:04.00 | Amarande | oh, it's not a name |
| 18:04.01 | Amarande | heh |
| 18:04.16 | Adys | that said |
| 18:04.21 | Adys | it does make things very googlable :P |
| 18:04.22 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=ognampngfcbddbfemdapefohjiobgbdl |
| 18:04.30 | Amarande | Adys: I have occasionally this paranoidish feeling that by the end of this century, fantasy writers in particular will all be forced to use total gibberish for naming anything because anything reasonable will be trademarked :| |
| 18:05.04 | Adys | thats what unicode is for |
| 18:05.07 | Amarande | (and not only fantasy writers I'm sure, but anything where name trademarks are all over the freaking place heh) |
| 18:05.12 | Shirik | I wonder if you can trademark pure randomness |
| 18:05.23 | Amarande | Shirik: doubt it, but you could probably patent it :) |
| 18:05.31 | Shirik | no I mean the output |
| 18:05.39 | Adys | Ãøøbs! |
| 18:06.30 | Amarande | I'm just waiting to see someone write the next great blockbuster novel and lose all their royalties because "oops what's that, you named your main character (name)? I'm sorry but (name) is trademarked to me in this field, now hand it over" |
| 18:06.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (~dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 18:06.52 | Shirik | that's why trademarks don't extend across fields |
| 18:07.06 | Amarande | like really, what author has time to constantly suspend their creative juices so they can run trademark searches before using a name :| |
| 18:07.32 | Amarande | Trademarks are a crock. I'd rather poor kids get scammed into buying Nicro-Machines than see creativity seize up like that :| |
| 18:07.56 | Adys | Amarande: trademarks are expensive and don't last |
| 18:08.07 | Adys | (unlike copyright) |
| 18:08.52 | Amarande | Or is the idea that when that actually does start to be a problem, it means the industry has reached the point where we don't NEED little guys putting in their two pages, and it's better to even more mollycoddle the large corps who support tens of thousands of families by making manufactured formulaic dreck in said industry so The Economy can prosper? :| |
| 18:09.31 | Adys | Kalroth: you know whats awesome with chrome? |
| 18:09.43 | Adys | extensions. |
| 18:09.45 | Amarande | i.e., by speaking up for freedom and lesser rights for megacorps so that people don't HAVE to have such problems, one just weakens the Economy even further and sends us closer to utter national collapse? |
| 18:09.55 | Adys | comparing chrome to firefox is like linux vs windows |
| 18:09.57 | Kalroth | Adys: so Chrome doesn't even have plugins? |
| 18:10.04 | Amarande | Adys: yeah, but on the other hand, with copyright, independent creation is a defense, as I understand |
| 18:10.05 | Adys | sure it does |
| 18:10.21 | Adys | you install an extension |
| 18:10.22 | Amarande | with trademarks and patents, you are expected to do the research and then carefully design your thing around what's already owned |
| 18:10.24 | Adys | and its install |
| 18:10.28 | Adys | you uninstall an extension |
| 18:10.30 | Adys | and its uninstalled |
| 18:10.39 | Adys | "What went wrong with firefox": |
| 18:10.45 | Adys | RESTART THE BROWSER LOL |
| 18:10.48 | Adys | "What went wrong with Windows": |
| 18:10.54 | Kalroth | but extensions aren't plugins, they're weaker |
| 18:11.04 | Amarande | Adys: "You chose to install Windows to begin with" |
| 18:11.10 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.11 | Amarande | sadly, I will be installing 7 on a PC in this house shortly |
| 18:11.12 | Adys | YOU JUST INSTALLED ACROBAT READER REBOOT LOL |
| 18:11.23 | Amarande | but that's because said machine rejected every other OS I tried to put on it :| |
| 18:11.25 | Dagmar | Adys: FF 4 will be using separate processes just like Chrome does |
| 18:11.26 | Adys | Dagmar: sure but it shouldnt have beent here in the first place |
| 18:11.35 | Adys | been there* |
| 18:11.36 | Dagmar | What shouldn't have? |
| 18:11.48 | Adys | firefox's reboot-on-extension-change |
| 18:11.54 | Dashkal | "Note: Installing Google Chrome will add the Google repository so your system will automatically keep Google Chrome up to date. If you don't want Google's repository, do "sudo touch /etc/default/google-chrome" before installing the package." |
| 18:11.58 | Dashkal | sighs |
| 18:12.07 | Amarande | XP original? SORRY YOU HAVE PCI-E CANNOT INSTALL WITHOUT SP2 INSTALL MEDIA. XP SP2 slipstream? STOP 6B. Ubuntu? SORRY YOU HAVE A WD HARD DRIVE NO GRUB2 BASED SYSTEMS FOR YOU |
| 18:12.08 | Dagmar | Chrome's one of the first programs I'm aware of that gratuitously spawns subprocesses instead of _threads_ |
| 18:12.11 | Kalroth | Adys: http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/static.py?page=known_issues.cs |
| 18:12.20 | Amarande | Fedora? Oh, that installed and ran beautifully ... but the kernel doesn't know the network card |
| 18:12.25 | Adys | Dagmar: what's wrong about that? |
| 18:12.33 | Amarande | NetBSD? Same problem as Fedora |
| 18:12.35 | Amarande | so yeah, 7 it is :( |
| 18:12.38 | Dagmar | Adys: It's the reason they can get away with just killing the process |
| 18:12.55 | Adys | Kalroth: ? |
| 18:13.09 | Dagmar | You are, in fact, doing the same thing in Chrome as you do in Firefox. You just don't see it because there's always that master process keeping the UI showing |
| 18:13.10 | Kalroth | Adys: tons of Chrome issues there! |
| 18:13.16 | foxlit | Amarande: I'm pretty sure I've installed XP on a PCI-E machine both with and without SP2 slipstream |
| 18:13.19 | Adys | ... so? :P |
| 18:13.26 | Kalroth | Adys: Also notice the fourth section, what is the title? |
| 18:13.28 | Amarande | foxlit: from what I have read, that doesn't work |
| 18:13.39 | Amarande | you get a STOP 7E in pci.sys on a PCI-E machine when trying to install original XP |
| 18:13.40 | foxlit | Amarande: You've now read otherwise. |
| 18:13.51 | Amarande | at least I get that on this particular machine, anyway |
| 18:13.57 | Dagmar | Amarande: Nope. |
| 18:13.59 | Adys | Kalroth: activex not supported, and instructions on how to install flash |
| 18:14.02 | Adys | what's the issue again? |
| 18:14.04 | Kalroth | Adys: the title |
| 18:14.12 | Adys | what about it? |
| 18:14.20 | Kalroth | You know what I mean! |
| 18:14.22 | Amarande | With slipstream, I got a STOP 6B that I could never figure out and may be related to ATA drivers |
| 18:14.24 | Adys | .. no |
| 18:14.25 | Adys | :P |
| 18:14.39 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'm pretty sure the XP Home CDs I have are SP1 or SP2. About the only thing I had to do on the M2N68-AM (which is definitely both PCI-E and SATA) is to feed hte thing the sata driver at install time |
| 18:14.58 | Amarande | Ahh ... XP only accepts floppies for that though IIRC |
| 18:15.02 | Amarande | and this mobo doesn't even have a floppy controller |
| 18:15.13 | Adys | Kalroth: i think you misunderstood something |
| 18:15.17 | Adys | plugins exist in chrome |
| 18:15.18 | Dagmar | ...otherwise you risk the motherboard turning your disks up as PATA/IDE disks, which tends to _explode in your face_ later when you actually then have the SATA driver |
| 18:15.37 | Kalroth | Adys: I know? :p |
| 18:15.42 | Amarande | I'm not sure what XP thought the disks were |
| 18:15.46 | Adys | so what's the issue? |
| 18:16.05 | Amarande | because I saw some serious weirdness with how that i5 board handles drives when I was trying to find an OS that worked |
| 18:16.07 | Kalroth | <Adys> but in chrome (and firefox), plugins and extensions are fundamentally different |
| 18:16.15 | Adys | yeah? |
| 18:16.21 | Dagmar | Generally what'll happen is that the motherboard will "helpfully" enable compatability mode, which makes the OS think there's a "normal" IDE controller hanging about at 0x170/0x1F0 |
| 18:16.29 | Amarande | the drives are most definitely PATA, yet when I installed Linux, the HD would show as sda, not hda |
| 18:16.34 | Adys | Kalroth: thats correct |
| 18:16.41 | Adys | plugins have larger control over the browser and run in their own process |
| 18:16.47 | Kalroth | Firefox doesn't have extensions, now try comparing Chrome plugins with Firefox plugins - are they fundamentally different?! |
| 18:16.56 | Amarande | weirdly, they also don't show up as IDE drives at all in the BIOS basic setup screen |
| 18:16.58 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 18:17.01 | Adys | chrome plugins are secure |
| 18:17.02 | Amarande | they are recognized (you can select them as boot devices, too) |
| 18:17.05 | Adys | firefox's aren't. |
| 18:17.11 | Amarande | they show up in POST, but they don't show as IDE drives in the BIOS |
| 18:17.12 | Adys | they can nuke your hard drive |
| 18:17.19 | Kalroth | o rly |
| 18:17.25 | Dagmar | The moment you enable the SATA driver later on, one of two things happen. Either your "IDE disks" suddenly disappear because the motherboard knows better than to keep both methods available, in which case XP comes full stop and fast, or you get TWO versions of the same disk with no sanity checking, which is equally bad |
| 18:17.26 | Adys | y rly |
| 18:17.42 | Amarande | apparently, this BIOS feeds PATA drives to the system as if they were SATA |
| 18:17.56 | Kalroth | "We've identified an incompatibility with Google Chrome and NVIDIA Network Access Manager and are currently investigating. You may try temporarily disabling this software to see if it resolves your issue. " <- but if I disable Chrome then I can't browse! |
| 18:18.48 | Adys | wtf is nvidia network access manager? |
| 18:19.14 | Dagmar | Fancy throw-in software for people with the forceware chipset |
| 18:19.14 | Kalroth | well duh, it's nVidia's Network Access Manager |
| 18:19.28 | Dagmar | It has it's own firewalling, in case you don't trust XP's firewalling |
| 18:19.38 | Kalroth | it manages network access! |
| 18:19.51 | Dagmar | ...or in case you simply don't like apps being able to bypass the firewall by simply asking the OS nicely |
| 18:20.09 | *** join/#wowuidev ckknight (~ckknight@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/CurseStaff/CurseForge/ckknight) |
| 18:20.09 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 18:20.19 | Dagmar | Prolly has WOL support in it |
| 18:21.36 | Amarande | Dagmar: "Pretty please, be a doll and hand me the warhead arm codes and missile launch keys?" |
| 18:22.12 | foxlit | "Adys: chrome plugins are secure" << I wonder what sort of secure we're talking about here |
| 18:22.31 | Adys | foxlit: chrome plugins cant crash the browser, for one thing |
| 18:22.35 | Amarande | I don't know, but it would be really nice if Firefox would stop learning credit card numbers as saved form data |
| 18:22.38 | Adys | they also cant access your file system |
| 18:22.59 | Adys | they can access a more limited set of OS calls |
| 18:23.20 | Amarande | If I knew coding better, I'd be very tempted right now to whip up code that checks, when saving form data, if it's a number, and if so, if it's a 15 or 16 digit number satisfying Luhn checksumming |
| 18:23.25 | Amarande | and if so, DON'T SAVE THE DAMN THING TYVM |
| 18:23.31 | Adys | dont get me wrong, they're not that secure |
| 18:23.50 | Kalroth | Amarande: Weird, I can't get firefox to save my CC info, it simply refuses |
| 18:24.11 | kd3 | I just tell firefox not to save form inputs at all |
| 18:24.12 | Adys | Kalroth: because it already sent it to mozilla |
| 18:24.16 | *** join/#wowuidev JRandolph (~Casper@207.126.40.193) |
| 18:24.17 | Adys | what would it need it for |
| 18:24.26 | Kalroth | o |
| 18:24.41 | Shirik | lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Umumu |
| 18:25.25 | Amarande | Kalroth: I've seen at least one or two sites I frequent often that will pop up my AmEx number the moment I type a 3 into the credit card field in their forms, having previously shopped. :| |
| 18:25.31 | Kalroth | Amarande: Are you sure it's not some extension or plugin? |
| 18:25.41 | Adys | quick guys |
| 18:25.42 | Adys | write it down |
| 18:25.50 | Adys | Amarande's CC num begins with a 3 |
| 18:25.52 | Adys | just 15 digits left! |
| 18:26.01 | Amarande | lol, Adys |
| 18:26.07 | Amarande | American Express cards all start with 3 |
| 18:26.09 | foxlit | and we know it's checksummed |
| 18:26.17 | Adys | yes well whatever. |
| 18:26.23 | Amarande | in fact, the starting digit 3 basically *says* "this is an American Express card" derp |
| 18:26.54 | Kalroth | second digit is probably 6! |
| 18:27.08 | Kalroth | er |
| 18:27.13 | Kalroth | 4 or 7, it seems |
| 18:27.21 | Kalroth | 36 is diners |
| 18:28.14 | Dagmar | Ahyup |
| 18:28.22 | Amarande | anyway |
| 18:28.29 | Amarande | the point is, firefox has saved it for at least one or two sites, and that's bad |
| 18:28.53 | Amarande | the only non-default addons/plugins I have installed are the ones from Java, iTunes, and .NET, anyhow |
| 18:28.55 | Dagmar | Amarande: yes. Certain website adminstrators should be beaten with an engraved copy of the PCI guidelines |
| 18:29.15 | Dagmar | ...or just a cricket bat with "AUTOCOMPLETE=OFF" engraved in it. |
| 18:29.19 | Amarande | Dagmar: not to mention a basic understanding of American Express in general. |
| 18:29.51 | Amarande | I still remember for instance the one time I wasn't able to use American Express on a site because it insisted that I type in a 16 digit number ... DERP, AMEX HAS 15 |
| 18:30.04 | Dagmar | Banks absolutely refused to do online banking back in the 90's until Netscape and IE added a way to _disable_ autocomplete, thereby disabling caching of sensitive data entered into input fields |
| 18:30.37 | Amarande | then there's the Delta Airlines site, which lately I haven't been able to buy tickets from because AmEx has a 4 digit security code rather than 3 like a Visa or MC, and the fail web designer for Delta made the security code field hard limited to 3 |
| 18:30.46 | Dagmar | ...and yet some idiots keep throwing up ecommerce sites without doing that, which will make Visa _put your mechant account on hold_ if you screw around about it |
| 18:31.12 | Amarande | not that I'm feeling like I want to buy from Delta lately anyway, though, mainly because AirTran seems to be selling tickets for about 150-200 less for RT than Delta |
| 18:31.42 | Dagmar | So long as it's not UA you're probably golden |
| 18:32.02 | Lunessa | Amarande: That could also be a limit of their back-end processing software. Airlines all use really crappy, ancient packages. |
| 18:32.06 | Amarande | 'course now I have to get familiar with LGA, since I've only ever flown out of JFK lately |
| 18:32.16 | Amarande | Lunessa: I *used* to be able to buy tickets from Delta with my AmEx |
| 18:32.22 | Amarande | apparently it's only recently that they managed to break it :| |
| 18:32.28 | Lunessa | Bummer. |
| 18:32.37 | Amarande | I discovered this when I went to buy tickets for the trip to Dragon Con this summer |
| 18:32.56 | Lunessa | I haven't flown in a while, and I'm a cheap bastard so I usually fly Southwest for the el cheapo seats. |
| 18:33.01 | Dagmar | I keep meaning to go to that again |
| 18:33.13 | Amarande | I considered Southwest |
| 18:33.16 | Amarande | they don't go to Atlanta, though |
| 18:33.30 | Dagmar | They're not bad, but you're under no illusions that it's a flying bus line once you're in the air |
| 18:33.33 | zenzelezz | one does not simply go to Atlanta |
| 18:33.48 | Lunessa | Man, I should go to DragonCon. I haven't been since... mmmm... '93? |
| 18:33.51 | Amarande | zenzelezz, you sound like a con goer. :) |
| 18:34.01 | Dagmar | This is true. It's important to hav a road map and an escape route all planned out |
| 18:34.04 | Amarande | and probably an LOTR fan as well |
| 18:34.18 | zenzelezz | if I were in the US, I probably would go... but I'm not |
| 18:34.24 | Amarande | flashes my Badali Vilya in zenzelezz's face :) |
| 18:34.26 | Lunessa | One does not simply go to DragonCon. |
| 18:34.29 | zenzelezz | I am, however, a bit LotR fan |
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| 18:34.36 | Ackis | anyone here heard of http://sandboxie.com/ ? |
| 18:34.37 | zenzelezz | *big |
| 18:34.39 | Amarande | I have the Narya, too. :) |
| 18:34.53 | Amarande | Unfortunately my fingers seem to have got fat since I bought that one :( |
| 18:35.11 | Fisker | i heard of your mom Ackis |
| 18:35.20 | Dagmar | I'm a fan of freaks but I'm not a fan of fat people with poor hygiene and a penchant for whiteface |
| 18:35.25 | Amarande | Ackis, as in Ackis of ARL? :) |
| 18:35.32 | Ackis | mmhmm |
| 18:35.33 | Dagmar | ...which is why I keep saying "ah, I'll go next year" |
| 18:35.34 | Ackis | that's me |
| 18:35.37 | Ackis | but I have minions now |
| 18:35.42 | Amarande | hey, one thing I keep wanting to see in ARL, if it's not too hard to do |
| 18:36.09 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: just don a big shirt with vegetarian/vegan motives on it, then the fat people will stay clear of you |
| 18:36.11 | Amarande | some sort of tracker thingy so I don't have to keep mousing through the list to figure out where to go next to farm up recipes I'm missing? |
| 18:36.25 | Amarande | (also, it would be nice if it could be made to not close when boarding a wind rider) |
| 18:36.48 | Ackis | there's integration with TomTom so if you have that set up it'll appear on your world map/mini-map |
| 18:36.50 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: I would get called out on that |
| 18:37.01 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Ther ear ea number of people who are D*C regulars who know me |
| 18:37.06 | Ackis | and Torhal added enhanced sorting for location, it works like I always wanted it to |
| 18:37.17 | Ackis | as for the wind ride I has no idea aboot that |
| 18:37.18 | Amarande | Dagmar: this will be my fourth D*Con. |
| 18:37.32 | Amarande | and I'm hoping to get the Eternal Badge this year, if I can manage to have 1k to spare by the time con rolls around |
| 18:38.05 | Lunessa | Dragon Con - Geek/Freak breeding ground. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. |
| 18:38.12 | Ackis | is offto a comic shoop |
| 18:38.16 | Dagmar | It's true enough. |
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| 18:39.02 | industrial | Can I use a belt buckle on a waist item that already has a socket? |
| 18:39.10 | Amarande | industrial: yeah |
| 18:39.15 | Amarande | the belt buckle basically counts as an "enchant" |
| 18:39.16 | Lunessa | Unless you're so repulsive that you make matter collapse upon itself to get away from you, chances are you can get a little something something at D*Con. |
| 18:39.22 | industrial | crap, always thought you couldn't T_T |
| 18:39.36 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Sometimes you can get a LOT of something-something |
| 18:39.38 | Amarande | I think the only things that it's mutually exclusive with are one or two Engineering things that use the belt enchant slot |
| 18:39.48 | Dagmar | Like, probably more than is prudent when you're already on three hits of blotter |
| 18:39.49 | Lunessa | Dagmar: *nod* |
| 18:40.02 | Amarande | I've never seen anything else that puts any kind of "enchant" on the belt slot |
| 18:40.26 | Dagmar | The next to last time I was there I found out some things about the type of girl who makes a fancy costume to look like a barely clothed comic book vixen |
| 18:40.32 | Lunessa | Never do hallucinogenics when surrounded by people with only a tenuous grasp on reality anyway. |
| 18:40.49 | Dagmar | But it was fun and *I* can hang on to my realities mostly |
| 18:41.11 | Amarande | Lunessa: and don't forget the leather stuff they have in the vendor hall ;) |
| 18:41.22 | Dagmar | The soap dish in the shower extruding itself so that I could more easily put the soap back was a little much, but I didn't freak out when I ran into Timothy Leary. :) |
| 18:41.27 | Lunessa | Dagmar: The last time I went, a man won the Betty Paige lookalike contest. And... well, it was deserved. |
| 18:41.48 | Amarande | I think a guy won one of the prizes at the Dawn lookalike contest a year or two ago |
| 18:41.48 | Lunessa | He was a strange man. |
| 18:41.49 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Ah, the year I had to shame myself it was the POison Ivy lookalike contest |
| 18:41.58 | Dagmar | Keveni Geneveco? |
| 18:42.01 | Amarande | I avoid the Dawn contest like plague now, though |
| 18:42.02 | Dagmar | er Kevin? |
| 18:42.11 | Amarande | not because I didn't like it, but because it's MAIN track programming |
| 18:42.17 | Amarande | I tend to avoid MAIN track programming like the plague in general |
| 18:42.22 | foxlit | "Steve Carell has made several return appearances to the show since leaving six years ago to host The Carell Report." |
| 18:42.29 | foxlit | Wrong Stephen, comedy central. |
| 18:42.36 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 18:42.39 | Amarande | "yes, we really do expect you to blow your entire day before this event to STAND IN LINE for this one panel ... seriously, we do" |
| 18:43.14 | Dagmar | We'll see how the pope feels about me if I go back there |
| 18:43.18 | Lunessa | Dragon Con is the only time I ever got into a fight at a con. Some dufus tried to treat a concert like a mosh pit and slammed me into a row of folding chairs. I came up swinging the chair. |
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| 18:44.04 | Lunessa | Me + 3 days of No sleep + 5 drinks + fight with ex-g/f = Ready to kick his ass over the incident. |
| 18:44.09 | Dagmar | I kinda did him wrong. He got some, um, things from me, and then I lost track of him. Found him hours later surrounded by a ring of petitioners (for lack of a better word) asking him philosophical questions |
| 18:44.40 | Dagmar | I saved him tho. :) |
| 18:44.53 | Dagmar | _Erisan_ pope, mind you |
| 18:47.20 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I'd say just make your reservations at the Marriott across the street next year if you're having sleeping problems, but I've been told that hotel has now been eaten by the 'con |
| 18:47.31 | Amarande | Anyway, I like to actually do a reasonable amount of stuff per day at Con |
| 18:47.42 | Amarande | If I go to MAIN track programming, that ain't happening. So no Dawn anymore. |
| 18:48.05 | Dagmar | Hit up the science and space track |
| 18:48.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: aren't we ALL Erisian popes? :) |
| 18:48.13 | Lunessa | Dagmar: No, I was a vendor. the three days thing was the day I spent packing and then the day I spent driving to and then the day I was up for the whole first day of the show. |
| 18:48.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yes, but not all of us walk around wearing white robes and a mitre with the chaoflux on it |
| 18:48.36 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Ahhh |
| 18:48.53 | Lunessa | I didn't sleep a lot that weekend anyway. |
| 18:49.06 | Dagmar | Amarande: So yeah, the poor guy got ganged up on while he was on about 500mcg of acid |
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| 18:51.21 | Amarande | downloads TomTom |
| 18:51.28 | Amarande | ... and meanwhile also wishes that Blizzard would add GS to baddons :| |
| 18:51.51 | Kalroth | wats ur geerscore freidn??? |
| 18:52.07 | Kalroth | i havr over 4000 now! |
| 18:52.13 | Amarande | although then I'm sure we'd see things like "GearEvaluator" or "GearElitist" or "GearBastard" come out instead |
| 18:52.33 | Amarande | I'm not sure my 80 has gear anymore |
| 18:52.40 | Amarande | I think it's been demoted to geer or something like that the way people are about GS |
| 18:52.45 | Amarande | last I checked it was around 3927 or so |
| 18:53.09 | Amarande | although my gear is a hodgepodge ... I've got stuff from 187 to 245 on my lock |
| 18:55.24 | Amarande | I've kinda abandoned my lock though outside of mining and the occasional farming of Scholo and the like |
| 18:55.34 | Lunessa | Wat? UR Geer 2 low 4 DM, GFTO n00b. |
| 18:56.03 | Amarande | speaking of mining, I need 108 more iron bars to give to my hunter for Thorium Brotherhood rep, so I'll be hitting the Badlands later on the lock though |
| 18:56.38 | Amarande | to say nothing of eventually doing the TB rep on a couple other toons too |
| 19:00.16 | Lunessa | You might want to check the AH for Blood of the Mountain, Fiery and Lava Cores - way more rep. |
| 19:00.40 | Lunessa | Core leather too, but much less likely. |
| 19:02.16 | DWSR | Anyone in here using a cooling pad for their laptop? |
| 19:02.27 | Amarande | Lunessa: I'm going by the wowwiki guide, which suggests to wait till Honored-Revered to do the turnins within BRD |
| 19:02.44 | Amarande | (that and I have to be level 60 to do those turnins, while I need be only 50 to do the first grind) |
| 19:03.17 | Lunessa | Amarande: *nod* Do all the quests first. Every single one you can scrounge. It's even better if you're a smith and do all the blacksmithing quests. |
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| 19:03.41 | Amarande | I already went to BRD once, got run through to pick up the Shadowforge Key and visit the Anvil and repair bot scroll |
| 19:04.24 | Amarande | According to Wowwiki, the optimal sequence is to start with What the Flux to activate the first set of turnins, do those till Friendly, then zip through Friendly with dark iron residue, THEN, once you hit Honored do the rest of the quests, then do the in-BRD turnins |
| 19:04.58 | Lunessa | I did them in sub-optimal ways. But then, I did some of them as they were introduced. |
| 19:05.00 | Amarande | BTW, did they ever fix the Smithing Tuyere quest bug for Horde? |
| 19:05.10 | Lunessa | Don't play horde. |
| 19:05.30 | Amarande | There was apparently a bug at one point where if you even so much as accept that quest before you do the Gnomer transponder quest |
| 19:05.43 | Amarande | it will bug up the latter, meaning you can NEVER get the transponder and are stuck wading through Dun Morogh instead |
| 19:08.14 | Lunessa | Hrm, never had that problem - but then my highest level hordie is a level 39 troll rogue that I haven't played since classic. |
| 19:10.48 | Amarande | I'm not sure I've ever actually had that problem myself |
| 19:10.51 | Amarande | but apparently it's a common report |
| 19:11.06 | Arrowmaster | my friend had that issue |
| 19:11.13 | Amarande | that reminds me, I should start beating the ever living crap out of Thermaplugg to get some eng recipes |
| 19:11.20 | Arrowmaster | i tired everything i could to give him the transponder quest from my alts |
| 19:11.52 | Amarande | I *thought*, when I went back to do SG on Alvaerin when I was working on her Eastern Kingdoms Loremaster, that I'd bugged her up that way |
| 19:12.03 | Amarande | then I looked in her bank and noticed she already had the transponder |
| 19:12.03 | Arrowmaster | but it said he already completed it except the guy in BB wouldnt give him a transponder |
| 19:12.28 | Amarande | was the GM able to get him one? |
| 19:13.23 | Arrowmaster | no they just said they 'werent allowed to give quest hints' |
| 19:14.55 | Amarande | bah, I also wish they'd make the JC trinkets BoE |
| 19:15.05 | Amarande | well, maybe not the blue ones, that'd break a class perk ... but at least the greens |
| 19:15.17 | Amarande | there is really no good reason for green craftables to be BoP :( |
| 19:16.33 | doc-saintly | is http://addonstudio.codeplex.com/ still a viable utility |
| 19:16.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 19:16.47 | Arrowmaster | it never was |
| 19:17.38 | Cide | and never will be |
| 19:19.26 | Kalroth | http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052009/1242032359_haters-gonna-hate.gif |
| 19:20.00 | Dashkal | Meh, still prefer firefox to chrome, but the memory use difference is hard to argue with. |
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| 19:20.18 | Dashkal | At least now I can browse and play wow at the same time on my poor 1.5gig box |
| 19:20.33 | Kalroth | memory usage last mattered back in 1996! |
| 19:20.51 | Dashkal | I'm tempted to smack every programmer I ehar say that |
| 19:21.45 | Dashkal | Esp when I find myself trying to run java bloatware in restricted (256 mb) environments. |
| 19:22.06 | haste | chrome lacks proper vertical tabs :V |
| 19:22.49 | Kalroth | Dashkal: pft, come back when you've coded something for a 7-bit OS! |
| 19:23.40 | Dashkal | Kalroth: I don't do embedded systems :P |
| 19:24.14 | Dashkal | I'd like to start on phones, but they don't count anymore |
| 19:27.37 | Amarande | hmm |
| 19:27.44 | Amarande | do I need something else besides TomTom for waypoints to actually show up? |
| 19:28.59 | Kalroth | I think I had a secondary addon for the huge green arrow, if that's what you mean |
| 19:29.17 | Amarande | I mean, I look at the map and nothing's changed |
| 19:29.25 | Amarande | even though Ackis said ARL was supposed to give waypoints to TT |
| 19:33.40 | DWSR | Amarande: No. |
| 19:33.48 | DWSR | TT does waypoints and the crazy arrow. |
| 19:33.55 | DWSR | PEBKAC. |
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| 19:38.22 | DWSR | Anyone in here using a cooling pad for your laptop? |
| 19:39.53 | Shirik | yup |
| 19:39.58 | Shirik | I do |
| 19:40.06 | Shirik | (generally only when playing games though) |
| 19:40.21 | Shirik | and that time I HDR merged 15 images together |
| 19:40.52 | Amarande | DAMMIT GOOGLE |
| 19:41.02 | Amarande | I don't want to know how to enter waypoints into a GPS, I want to know how to put them into TomTom :| |
| 19:41.51 | jnwhiteh|away | then go to the addon page |
| 19:41.52 | jnwhiteh|away | and read |
| 19:41.59 | jnwhiteh | !addon tomtom |
| 19:42.02 | jnwhiteh | i've made it pretty damn clear |
| 19:42.09 | lua_bot | TomTom (v. r237) last updated Sun Mar 28 18:43 (http://is.gd/bxi1V) |
| 19:43.10 | jnwhiteh | alternatively |
| 19:43.15 | jnwhiteh | ~g add waypoint tomtom wow addon |
| 19:44.18 | Kalroth | I think it was /way 12.3 45.6 |
| 19:44.29 | jnwhiteh | that is what the documentation says, yes. |
| 19:44.39 | Kalroth | with no support for 12.3, 45.6 :( |
| 19:44.48 | jnwhiteh | why would you need it? |
| 19:44.57 | jnwhiteh | just dont put the comma in |
| 19:44.58 | Kalroth | when pasting from wowhead |
| 19:45.09 | jnwhiteh | the pattern is complicated enough as it is =) |
| 19:45.19 | Amarande | wow, Corruption is going to be MEGA AWESOME in Cataclysm for warriors |
| 19:45.29 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: qq! |
| 19:45.56 | Amarande | -40 spirit? No problem! |
| 19:46.45 | Amarande | I guess it's pretty awesome for warriors now |
| 19:47.06 | Amarande | except I don't think I'd go out of my way to *lose* Spirit on warriors currently since I do like to gain at least a *little* health moving from mob to mob heh |
| 19:48.58 | zenzelezz | dude |
| 19:49.11 | zenzelezz | Enraged Regeneration (or are you low level?) |
| 19:50.34 | zenzelezz | right, out-of-context reading not good |
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| 20:00.23 | DWSR | http://www.wow.com/2010/04/11/arcane-brilliance-the-end-of-an-era |
| 20:00.24 | DWSR | win |
| 20:00.43 | DWSR | jnwhiteh: You're back! |
| 20:01.18 | industrial | wb jnwhiteh |
| 20:02.12 | DWSR | Shirik: lol, I have a 15 inch HP tablet that runs hot as hell. |
| 20:02.27 | DWSR | I picked up a cooling pad that has a high speed USB hub and a 2.5" drive bay in it. |
| 20:02.30 | DWSR | $30. |
| 20:02.32 | DWSR | Best. |
| 20:02.37 | Shirik | yeah they're actually quite effective too |
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| 20:02.44 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 20:02.46 | DWSR | I'm amazed. |
| 20:02.51 | DWSR | Normally my laptop sounds like a vacuum. |
| 20:02.53 | Shirik | wait, 2.5" bay? |
| 20:02.55 | DWSR | Now I can barely hear it. |
| 20:02.56 | Shirik | like |
| 20:02.57 | Shirik | for HDD? |
| 20:03.01 | DWSR | Shirik: Yeah. |
| 20:03.06 | Shirik | this sounds like a brilliant idea |
| 20:03.08 | Shirik | where did you get it? |
| 20:03.09 | DWSR | It is. |
| 20:03.13 | DWSR | Local computer store. |
| 20:03.17 | Shirik | wtb :( |
| 20:03.19 | Shirik | brand? |
| 20:03.27 | DWSR | I'll try to find the product. It's a Cooler Master sub-brand. |
| 20:04.59 | doc-saintly | Cide: is there a decent GUI maker or is handcoding still the best way |
| 20:05.11 | DWSR | http://is.gd/bxjcZ |
| 20:05.16 | DWSR | doc-saintly: Hand coding. |
| 20:05.34 | DWSR | All the GUI tools are outdated and use XML, which is not a great way of doing things anymore with the addition of CreateFrame(). |
| 20:05.42 | DWSR | Shirik: Link ^ |
| 20:05.54 | DWSR | That's the product sheet. |
| 20:06.15 | DWSR | It's powered directly from the USB bus too. |
| 20:06.45 | DWSR | It has the ability to use an AC adapter if you're plugging in multiple high power devices or a single high power device + a drive in the bay. |
| 20:07.17 | DWSR | Only thing I really dislike about it, but this is about cooling pads in general, is the angle which they prop the laptop onto. |
| 20:07.20 | Shirik | http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Air-Through-Notebook-C-HL04-KP/dp/B002NU5UYG |
| 20:07.21 | doc-saintly | DWSR: well i'm not actually using WoW, RoM ... so i'm still stuck with XML :'( |
| 20:07.21 | Shirik | win |
| 20:07.29 | DWSR | doc-saintly: Oh |
| 20:07.47 | DWSR | Shirik: Yep. |
| 20:07.53 | DWSR | That's about what I got it for. |
| 20:07.57 | Shirik | $29.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping. Details |
| 20:07.57 | Shirik | Usually ships in 1 to 2 months |
| 20:07.59 | Shirik | 1-2 months wtf |
| 20:08.17 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:08.34 | DWSR | Shirik: People whining about their drives being too fat have some cruft from their old laptop still attached to the drive. |
| 20:08.48 | DWSR | I had some on my old laptop drive. Screwdriver fixes. |
| 20:09.39 | DWSR | Now I has 2.5TB of storage attached to my laptop. Win. |
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| 20:15.21 | mikma | tekkub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbsSeVr5NSI |
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| 20:16.51 | haste | *fap* *fap* *fap* |
| 20:16.56 | haste | oh wait |
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| 20:26.46 | Dagmar | If yer laptop needs an undercooler one of two factors is in play: Either a) your laptop was designed by retards, or b) you like to block the vents on the bottom with your legs |
| 20:27.55 | Mr_Rabies | the hp dv series is victim of the former |
| 20:28.03 | tekkub | well given it is a LOPTOP I'd think that (b) is actually a result of (a) |
| 20:28.10 | tekkub | s/O/A/ |
| 20:28.11 | foxlit | "burns as much muscle energy as..." |
| 20:28.22 | Mr_Rabies | those things are like toasters |
| 20:29.08 | Dagmar | They say "laptop" but they're generally expecting you're not going to block the venting |
| 20:29.34 | Dagmar | ...or like, put the thing atop a bed with a fluffy comforter on it and run it full tilt |
| 20:30.40 | Mr_Rabies | nowadays they're called notebooks anyway |
| 20:33.40 | Cide | Shirik: so how's your lens? |
| 20:34.33 | mascondante | anyone else notice postal messing up in the latest revision? |
| 20:35.28 | mascondante | or maybe it's beancounter interrupting it... either way. |
| 20:36.39 | DWSR | Dagmar: Fan runs almost all the time on my HP tx2000 |
| 20:37.18 | DWSR | Even when it's just sitting on the desktop. |
| 20:37.40 | DWSR | So I have a feeling that it's (a) |
| 20:37.48 | Mikk | windows' fault |
| 20:37.51 | DWSR | mascondante: I'm running both, and it's fine. |
| 20:37.54 | DWSR | Mikk: It's not. |
| 20:38.30 | DWSR | Also, case fan seems to have no half speed. |
| 20:38.34 | DWSR | Only VACUUM And nothing. |
| 20:38.43 | mascondante | I'm using a dev version of auctioneer. I've brought it up in the norganna channel. |
| 20:39.29 | Mikk | mascondante: messing up = not fetching everything and then beancounter complaining? |
| 20:39.33 | Mikk | yeah that's auc's fault |
| 20:39.39 | Mikk | it refreshes the inbox on its own accord it seems |
| 20:39.45 | Mikk | i have it too on the toon i run auc on |
| 20:39.47 | Mikk | fine on other toons |
| 20:42.08 | mascondante | Mikk: The open all function is inturrupted when the beancounter screen flashes, so yep it'd be an issue for norganna. |
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| 20:45.42 | DWSR | Anyone here have a recommendation for HoT status display using Grid or SUF? |
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